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Ethiopian Ultimatum, Eritrean Incompetence

Since it held a congress in Hawassa in 2011, the Eritrean National Congress for Democratic Change (ENCDC) has been in bed fighting for its life, unable to move a single step towards its goal of democratic change in Eritrea. It is still bogged down in endless and crippling partisan maneuvers. Worse, its Ethiopian ally had a second-thought about the Hawassa congress and hastily convened a parallel congress in Debrezeit, in July 2012—a month before the death of Meles Zenawi.

Since then, some entities within the opposition decided to dismantle what remained of the ENCDC, while others, adamantly holding to its ideals, are determined to resuscitate and give it a new lease of life. Naturally, many believe that the absence of Meles Zenawi has really left a void in the way the Eritrean opposition portfolio is handled: unclear mandate between the Tigray and the federal governments. That ambiguity forced the Eritrean opposition to be sheltered under the maxim of, “Don’t fully drain the lake to keep the fish alive.”

Keeping a balanced Ethiopian policy, joggling regional and federal interests and considerations, required the skills of the late Meles Zenawi, whose departure denied the policy compass, its magnetic needle. And for the last five years, the Ethiopian policy on Eritrea in general, and on the Eritrean opposition in particular, has been nothing but chaotic. Unfortunately, that has made the Eritrean opposition the primary victim of the chaos. However, it must be noted that Eritreans are the main culprits who sustain their own abysmal situation: lack of statesmanship in the Eritrean government, and lack of decisiveness and ingenuity of its opposition. On the same token, Ethiopia didn’t live up to the role of a politically mature neighbor. Faced with such dilemma, several Eritreans made goodwill gestures to contribute towards ameliorating the situation, through a serious and honest engagement, their initiatives have been silently sabotaged.

Ethiopian Mediation!

Ethiopian authorities have long declared the intention of their mediation was to narrow the gaps between the Eritrean groups; the current cycle of mediation has been cooking on low fire since 2012, and on a fierce furnace since 2015. Strangely, the gaps didn’t narrow but have widened, and it keeps widening.

There seems to be a rotating veto power that is periodically assigned to one Eritrean or another, depending on the prevailing situation. Some individuals with no evident political weight have been dictating their will whether the ENCDC should move forward or stay bogged down in questionable stagnation. Every time a breakthrough appears on the horizon, and the people breathe a sigh of relief, an individual, acting like a superpower with absolute political leverage, have so many times pushed the crisis to where it was a year or so earlier, dashing the hopes of Eritrean forces of justice, by hastily manufacturing a new impasse, or reviving an already resolved problem. It has always been a never-ending cycle of disappointment for many Eritreans, and burning the fingers of the “Sana’a Forum” whose chief official is hammered by the Tigrai government, on the anvil of the federal government. And It’s not clear, whose interest the third arm, the intelligence unit, advances.

Obviously, several opposition members don’t seem to have any sense of urgency–it appears their priority is to keep the ENCDC immobile and then relegate it to irrelevance—risking very bad consequences. Unfortunately, some bad political complications are beginning to show their ugly faces. Even those who fought hard to resist the provocations seem to be giving up, and worse, they are rehearsing an equally destructive posture.

The Second ENCDC Congress

Without going into the details of the cycles of deliberations, meetings, consultations, and seminars, a preparatory committee that was formed to prepare and convene the second congress of the ENCDC has so far failed to do so.

By 2015, the never-ending cycle of deliberations became unbearable and the public exerted pressure on the ENCDC to hold its meeting with the attendance of the willing entities alone. If a group or groups decide not to attend, the rest of the opposition should not be held hostage—those who do not wish to attend could have other priorities or considerations. So far, ambiguous signals from the Ethiopian authorities in the form of camouflaged threats and ultimatums didn’t help–the majority of the opposition forces does not have other venues except Ethiopia, and the ENCDC could not hold its congress without an explicit approval of the authorities in that country. Sadly, the Ethiopian allies neither gave an approval, nor an unambiguous refusal, and kept the ENCDC in a limbo when it had to plan issues of security, logistic, and finance.

Ethiopia is not obliged to provide any support to the opposition, and that entirely depends on its goodwill. But as an opposition leader expained, “considering the type of support the PFDJ provides to the Ethiopian opposition that openly operates out of Eritrea, it’s unfortunate that the Ethiopian authorities could not match even a fraction of the support the PFDJ provides.”

That kind of unclear strategy has contributed to the total disarray of the general Eritrean opposition camp. Thanks to the strategic incompetence, both Eritrean and Ethiopian, so much confusion has reigned in the ranks of the Eritrean opposition camp. True, no one has openly claimed the damage was intentional, nevertheless, its destructive impact on the performance of the opposition is too evident to miss.

In 2015, a few in the opposition believed the major impasse of the ENCDC would be overcome with the coming of a startup (albeit loaded with funds) opposition group: Medrek. The group floated an ambitious plan to transform and lead the opposition camp. It attempted to hold a congress/conference of its own for that end. However, its plan consisted of a run-of-the-mill goal: Let’s discuss and find a way to get our views closer and agree on a minimum program! Uncountable meetings of that nature were held and failed because they were all mouthful of a goal that turned into nothing because they seemed to forget that conferences and congresses were not an end in themselves, but means supposed to get the opposition closer to the end: bringing change to Eritrea.

Consultations with Medrekh resulted in the Nairobi meeting of October 2015, and it centered around a specific goal: cooperate with the ENCDC to hold its congress. It seemed Medrekh was convinced (or pretended it was), and that was the informal agreement that brought most of the attendants to the Nairobi meeting.

Since the opposition faced a stalemate, it was hoped that Medrekh could help in overcoming the hurdles by achieving the following goals:

  1. Secure a venue (Kenya was mentioned) if Ethiopia refuses the ENCDC congress to be held in its territories,
  2. Provide funds for the penniless ENCDC, that Ethiopia said it will not help
  3. Pave the way to reconcile the ENCDC with other Eritrean entities like EPDP
  4. Provide smooth entry for Medrekh to play its natural role within a united Eritrean opposition camp

It’s with those four goals that the meeting of Nairobi was held. However, once most opposition groups attended Nairobi, Medrekh salivated and wanted to play politics; it started to promote its own congress aggressively, still striving to form a group it can lead. That also faced hurdles and Medrekh decided to cozy up with Ethiopia; it became one of the many groups doing insignificant politics, without adding any value to the Eritrean opposition. In short, it squandered a golden opportunity because of the empty pride of its leaders and chose to pursue NGO type politics instead of providing leadership and humble demeanor—against internal and external advises that its leaders ignored.

Conclusion

About three weeks ago, the “Sana’a Forum” admirably used its leverage to bring the parties of the ENCDC to a common ground. However, it didn’t take time for a leader of one of the groups to flex his veto power and demolished the hopes. Last week, the meeting continued between the representatives of the conflicted parties, and the impasse was seemingly resolved again. But for the second time in one-week, the same leader used his veto power and took the impasse back to where it was in 2015. The only positive outcome so far is, that Kornelios Esman, the leader of DMLEK, who had a simmering difference with several organizations, showed magnanimity, gave in to persuasion, and helped resolve the problem. Apart from that, the marathon meetings are going on, it is unknown if this time, the Ethiopians will use their leverage–a meeting is scheduled for Wednesday morning, as this edition is being published.

This time, the ENCDC should make bold decision: if it cannot hold its congress in Ethiopia, it should seriously consider other venues, even if it is done in different places simultaneously, because that is what the overwhelming members of the organizations are demanding. As it is, there is a very thin thread left between a breakthrough, and a journey back to the time of the original impasse—that feeble thread faces the risk of being cut anytime, and there is fear that the endless drama might continue as a few actors play their choreographed roles in the middle of Addis Ababa.

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  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam sara

    “if you talk with many Sudanese she /he will tell you he/she knew once upon time some one named Tesfai ,al eritreee with fond memories…. any idea why this name is popularly known to many in sudan?”

    I don’t know sara, I really don’t. But if I’ve to guess, Fee Ard Al-Habesh the name Tesfa(i) is as common as Mohammed – if not more common. If you are a Sudanese and met few (less than five) Eritreans, it is a sure thing to find at least one of them to have Tesfa(i) somewhere in his/her name. The reason:

    We Eritrean Habesh didn’t/don’t have much – we just live all our life on Tesfa (hope). And we name our kids Tesfa-Mariam, Tesfa-Ezgi, Tesfa-Michael, Tesfa-Tsion, Tesfa-Brhan, Tesfa-Yowhaness, Tesfa-Hiwet, Tesfa-Alem……….. Or simply:

    Ask few Eritreans who are over forty years of age (their name and last name) – and for sure you will find some Tesfa(i) in their names. And you will see why the name is popularly known to many Sudanese – because there is Tesfa(i) in every name.

    I miss Sudan, I miss the people, and I miss Ful-Meselah.

    Semere Tesfai

    • iSem

      Hi Semere and Sara:
      With all their endearing and hypocrisy and kindness, the Sudanese are the worst in remembering names, if it is not a Muslim or Sudanese name.
      To them every one from Southern Sudanese is John and every Eritrean girl is Abrehet and every “kassa” is Idrissai and the reason they are fond of Tesfai is not that they have met more Eritreans called Tesfai than let say Kahsai, they rem Tesfai because it rhymes with Idrissai: “la Tesfai wo la Idrissai…” went one of the slogans in 1988, a decade after brother Gheteb finished grade 12 after spending a year in karneshim
      A Sudanese friend who was smart guy and scored in the first 10 in his province in the grade 9 gerneral exam and was attending an elite school called “wed Numeiri” once wondered about the Eritrean name Ghebre-Medhin, and asked me ya Semir : “keif alwahid yegrim Al-Din”, how can one munch on the religion.
      Also, one day when I was getting some papers, the line up was long and the corrupt officer was late as usual and started calling the names of the Eritreans and then he stopped on his tracks when reading the name Mhret Misgina. After calling it out and girl shuffled towards him, he quipped. “Mis di errifnaha, gina di jabba shunnu”, “Ms is fine, but what brings the gina her..” Everyone laughed, I remembered “keif yegrim Al-din”, I shook my head in a mixture of awe and pitty

      Gina is Sudanes for butt
      Kassa is what Sudanese call any Tigrayit speaking Sudanese and Eritreans. Some say it is dericive

  • tes

    Dear Awatawyan,

    This is what I can propose:

    1. Political Organization and Civic Societeies must have a clear separation.
    2. Political Organization should work for the bigger cause while by themselves becoming stronger, be it by competining or working in alliance with others.
    3. Political Organizations should should know that they are not opinion makers. They are for power and must work for that end.
    4. Political Organizations can either create civic associations to reach the unreachable to advance their cause, for example UN organizations and those who do not work directly with political organizations.
    5. Political Organizations should identify intellectuals and cooperate with them for influencing the world of scholars.
    6. Political organizations should reach people at maximum possible in a more transparent manner with consistence.

    7. Civic Societies should work for the cause they were established.
    8. Civic Societies should work either to influence opinions of decision makers or empower in the making of decisions.
    9. Civic Socities are not for power therefore should stay away from competition with political organizations.
    10. Civic Societies could be much productive if they identify political organizations that can advance their cause of formation.
    11. Civic Societies should reach the unreachable to influence world community.
    12. Civic Societies need to work with the people that are adherents to the cause they are working on.

    13. Intellectuals should work to influence thinking and framing of directions.
    14. Intellectuals should work to influence the world for the cause they believe on.
    15. Intellectuals could be more productive if they identify their area of interest so that they can be the reachable.

    16. Mass media – those independent need to give credit the status of respective entities and build reputation of respect accordingly.
    17. Mass media should not forget that there is freedom of speech within the frame of accountability.
    18. Mass media(those independent) could be more productive if they identify themselves as established outlets for the political organization they ally with most. Better not to mix things or trying to be a host for everything.

    19. The people should know that Political Organizations are the power house of the final change they are looking for.
    20. Political Organization should know that they are accountable for everything they do.

    tes

    • Ismail AA

      Selam tes,

      admiring your line of thought, I consider your proposal to be a springboard for serious debate . The whole opposition landscape should be re-visited and streamlined as to lend the current confused opposition line up a sense of coherence. There should be exploration of where the build up of the opposition had gone wrong to produce the prevailing mix of forces whose efforts and agendas overlap one another. Definition of roles of the various segments of the so called vital forces of change could contribute harmony to the work of the opposition.

      Regards

      • tes

        Selam Ismail AA.,

        Thank you. And I hope the ideas I brought here will generate a serious debate. Today, even those with highest academic achievements are belittling our Political Organizations and openly advocate for their liquidation. They are claiming that Civic Socieities, such as Human Rights Groups are the best to fight against PFDJ. This is a spill-over effect of tyranny. Dictators hate political organizations, they hate it.

        But Civic Socieities are OK with dictators. Dictators call them “Barking dogs”. Yes they are barking dogs.

        Even PFDJ supporters openly say that, “The camel is continuing its journey while the dogs are barking”.

        Yes – you can not bark like a dog to the same regime that is making you to bark.

        While barking – you need a force that stops the camel continuing its journey – you need a strong political organization to stop it. A dog can only bark – and the camel needs a barrier or has to stop so that the dog can also stop barking.

        Here is my thoughts when I was putting my proposals:

        Civic Rights vs. Political Rights

        Illiberal autocracies – No to Civil Rights and No to Political Rights
        Liberal Autocracies – YES to Civil Rights, NO to Political Rights
        Electoral Democracies – NO to Civil Rights, YES to Political rights
        Liberal Democracies – YES to Civil Rights, YES to Political Rights

        Today – Eritrea under PFDJ is changed into Illiberal Autocratic nation. PFDJ hates Civic Rights and Political Rights Movement;

        On the other hand – the opposition camp – is divided into two

        Group I: Liberal Autocrats

        – They love Civic rights Movement but hate Political Rights(Organizations), Hence Liberal Autocrats –
        – These are now the dominant groups(the majority)
        – They openly condemn political organizations/parties – they belittle them
        – They hate to see Politicians who work in political parties
        – They feel superieur, both morally and in sanity

        Group II: Electoral Democrats

        – These group hate Civic Rights Activits and Organizations.
        – The consider Civic Rights activits as opportunists, greedy, business oriented,

        • Ismail AA

          Dear tes,

          I can see you have good general survey of background premises or theoretical groundwork. I think I understand your point of departure. Since the opposition landscape had become so congested and has been jammed to a state of dysfunction, it is time to put it to critical scrutiny with the aim of coming up with a new scheme of organizational framework appropriate enough to harness the various clusters or segments and enable them to calibrate their efforts for common national purpose. To facilitate this, thus, the change seeking forces will have to be identified and deployed in accordance with their nature and place in the social and political realities of the nation.

          For that to be achieved, there is need for meaningful debate focusing on the current conditions. If the job of putting the clusters or categories currently claiming a place in the opposition arena could be placed in proper context, then it would be possible to device working platforms (set
          governing rules) that could regulate coordination of roles and contributions towards serving the common objectives: tackling the dictatorship and planning for a replacement that make place for all
          stakeholders.

          Hoping these few lines do represent the gist of your proposal, I would suggest to you that this background premises would more relevant if they could supplemented by brief survey of the developments that led the opposition scene to present state. In my opinion, a thick red line
          should be drawn before and after 1991 or to specific 1993 when the current regime installed itself as the national government. This will help us not to hide behind the liberation war era discords that are important for recording history, and less relevant to the political and socio-economic conditions that must be changed with demise of the reform immune regime.

          Just to suggest cursory outlines, then, there could be areas to look at:

          – The first stage could be the activities of the organizations whose existence stretched from pre- 1991 and was denied entry to the country.

          – The beginning of the clustering of some organizations in 1998 in Khartoum.

          – Emergence of the Alliance of the Eritrean National Forces in 1999

          – The Coalition that came to be known as Eritrean National Alliance in 2002 and the crises

          – The Eritrean Democratic Alliance 2005 and its problems

          – The emergence of the civic societies mainly from 1998 and border war

          – The run up to national conference – Akaki conference and establishment of the Commission led by representatives of civic societies and EDA

          – Hawassa congress of 2011 and the problems that brought the scene to what it is now.

          Surveying these stages of the opposition work could give you a picture from which you can draw
          the reason that led to the mix up of the situation you plan to propose for debate. I hope will select a way of how to put your ideas into coherent platform for discussion.

          Wishing you success.

          • tes

            Dear Ismail AA.,

            Your input is great but needs lots of energy. Let us try to simply things. Simplification will save us from unnecessary political junglism.

            Simple guidelines that we can follow:

            1. Whatever happened has happened for a reason(this can fall in line to your assertion of benchmark references – 1991 or 1993. I would extend it upto today – 2017).

            2. Whatever it exists has a reason for its existence.

            Simplification N°. 1 will help us to retour to the past mistakes.
            Simplification N°. 2 – will help us to start with what we have now.

            One important aspect for clustering has the following elements

            Step I:

            1. Self assessment and identification of area of work in line to Political Organization, Civic Organization and Mass media.
            2. Identifiying similar groups which fall on the same camp.
            3. Giving recognition

            Step II:

            1. Organizing Outreach programs – Public relationships and diplocay
            2. Identifying common area of interest
            3. Self Groupings accordingly
            4. Discussions

            Step II

            Organizing meetings, conferences and make treaties.

            And this needs to be done from within, motivated by working a peaceful working environment.

            Here role of thinkers/writers/mass media can play great role. However it is basically drived based on self-interest.

            Not forgetting what happened is very important. For this academic research can help in the shaping process.

            tes

          • Ismail AA

            Dear tes,

            It is fine that you have short-listed your thoughts and make the scene of your work simpler. The pursuit will have to be directed towards creation of an environment of debate (consultations) among the various participants in the vital forces (agents) of change camp, which at the present constitutes the opposition forces segments population. to stir them evolved code of rules instrument that binds every actor to relevant role.

            In this process the so called cream of the elites which you cites as thinkers, writers and media, that resolve to play their unconditional role for expected service to society could make huge contribution.

            An example I can give you from the past is the role of Prof. Tesfasion Medhanie who had voluntarily invested his time and money to research, write and publish (in two languages) in 2004-2005 a roadmap pamphlet for the national conference that was preempted by the Akaki conference in 2010 and was made proper use of.

            You may have a look at the document by logging on togoruba.org and roll down the right hand side column or perhaps looking for it in the archives.

            Regards

  • ‘Gheteb

    ‘Gheteb: Bits And Bytes

    Greetings!!

    Once in a while, I do this thing called [ ‘Gheteb on Bits And Bytes] to record assertions and pronouncements that I find to be not only blatantly outrageous, but the mendacities of these claims fly in the face of the regnant knowledge and facts.

    But here he is, as his wont, Amde, the disdainfully hoity-toity Abyssinian fundamentalist, making yet again one of the most mendacious and far-fetched averral. Just like his previous preposterous pronouncement about Eritreans being “people with deformed identity”, here he is at it making another outlandish claim.

    ” The reality is – to put it crudely, the PFDJ Eritrea exists because Ethiopia chooses not to end it, and not because of its own strength. And Ethiopia in effect chooses not to end it because it has currently no good options for the day after”.

    This political dolt, Amde, must have been in the land of nod in a very deep slumber for the past two decades, 20 years ,as his Weyane led Ethiopia has left no stone unturned in its campaign of effectuating a regime change in Eritrea by bringing an end to the PFDJ. The fact that the PFDJ is in a much stronger position than the utterly beleaguered Weyane led Ethiopian government which is mired in every imaginable crisis within Ethiopia, is way, way, way, too manifest to merit further elaborations.

    To make such a statement when his Ethiopia is literally on the verge of implosion, is nothing but a testament how deeply Amde is wallowing in the seas of denial. What is more, is the fact that this is indeed proof positive of the supercilious and hauteur dispositions and attitudes of certain Ethiopians regarding the prevailing conditions in Eritrea, Ethiopia and the Horn region that is completely at loggerheads with the objective conditions in the Horn of Africa.

    • Amde

      Gheteb,

      Which part of
      ” The reality is – to put it crudely, the PFDJ Eritrea exists because Ethiopia chooses not to end it, and not because of its own strength. And Ethiopia in effect chooses not to end it because it has currently no good options for the day after”
      is objectively untrue?

      I know you are a simple mind burdened by too much vocabulary, but if you can comprehend English, I was writing about the PFDJ regime. Ethiopia does have the means to end the PFDJ regime. But it does not have the means to manage the peace thereafter.

      ዝም ብለህ አትቀባጥር። ክርክር ካለህ አምጣ።

      Amde

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Amde,

        It is easier said than done. You must be an armchair strategist. If not, I want to know how much fighting experience [credentials] you have?

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Simon Kaleab,

          Amde is no armchair strategist; far from it. He is what you call a laptop general who has been frothing arrogantly and ignorantly about a non-existent Ethiopian military power to bring regime change in Eritrea.

          These soon to be relics, Amde and his ilks, in their warped political outlook think that their Ethiopia is like the mighty USA that can bring regime change through military power in the Horn region.

          They are into aggrandizing their Ethiopias limited power and nothing else.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            “a non-existent Ethiopian military power”, how come you’r still crying for badme? come and take it! if you can!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            As usual, you are a simpleton.

            The comment that is under discussion is:

            “The reality is – to put it crudely, the PFDJ Eritrea exists because Ethiopia chooses not to end it, and not because of its own strength. And Ethiopia in effect chooses not to end it because it has currently no good options for the day after.”

            Do you agree with the above assertion of Amde?

        • Amde

          Selam Simon,

          ” You must be an armchair strategist. If not, I want to know how much fighting experience [credentials] you have?”

          Guilty as charged sir. Mighty fine armchair too. I have zero fighting experience. But what good is an anonymous internet identity if not for making conjectures. Up to the reader to say if said conjecture matches their thoughts and inclinations.

        • Hayat Adem

          Simon,
          What exactly are you saying? Is Amde asking to lead a fighting army to Asmara? If you have any fighting experience, would you think you are better positioned in becoming a strategist than the one who hasn’t any fighting experience?
          Amde can perfectly know the amount of a fighting capacity of one needed to finish another one while having not a single drop of fighting experience. BTW, most strategies are planned while sitting on a chair. Even fighting drones are flown and managed from a chair.
          The Tigrigna saying “ab kuinat zeyweAlle beliH” which might be similar to the Amharic saying “le teqemach semay qirbu” were meant to sarcastically mock on thinkers, and praise field actors. However, these days where work is mostly managed using tools and ideas than physiological assurances, the sayings might be true in their literal version than in their sarcastic version.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            Typical cadre windbag. Yada yada yada.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Greetings!!

      Amazing indeed! The purblind Amde is benightedly asserting that his Ethiopia ” does have the means to end the PFDJ regime” while all the records show that all the Ethiopian campaigns to bring a regime change by ending the PFDJ rule has failed, I mean, failed ABYSMALLY, with absolutely nothing to show for it.

      Such braggadocious statements are nothing but a reflection of someone on the cusp of defeat or someone who knows that he is defeated and has nothing left except to spout some jejune prognostications.

      Well, all this is for the record, while the purblind Amde can go back to the land of nod and be in the arms of Morpheus for many years to come. And, I think that will be his fate and those of his ilks.

      ” Ethiopia does have the means to end the PFDJ regime. But it does not have the means to manage the peace thereafter”.

    • saay7

      Hey Cuz Gheteb

      “…when his Ethiopia is literally on the verge of implosion…”

      We talked about this: is Ethiopia “literally” imploding?

      This reminds me of something I recently read. You know how Trump is always saying “Obamacare is imploding and exploding.” So this wit wrote “I really would like to know the physics of this thing.”

      Also, one of the requirements for something to be called implosion is that it has to happen suddenly. Since its implosion has been predicted since the 2005 elections, can it be sudden?

      saay

      • Selamat Saay7,

        A Black Star is a result of imploding is the physics for the wit.

        Blue Island Fab5 And Best Sixth man of the Bench! Buffalo Soldiers “Frmajo” Connect.

        Black Star of Ghana, Fanti and the Tekeze Hippos.

        tSAtSE

        • saay7

          TsaTse:

          The point of the wit was that Trump has to make up his mind as something can’t implode and explode at the same time. If it can, its new to physics and she wants to know about it.

          Kemey kemey

          Saay

          • Selamat Saay7,

            Are you sure something can’t implode and explode at the same time? Here is a characteristic less question, (I thought I saw a reference to logic): If it were possible , what would Saay7 call it in hypethetics? Or in hypephisics? 😉

            tSAtSE

          • Hayat Adem

            TsaTse,
            Funny, but what can implode and explode at the same time? If the implosion force is stronger than the explosion force, that characteristic qualifies for implosion. If it is the other way, then it is explosion as opposed to implosion. If the forces are exactly the same mathematically speaking, they even out to the very single molecule and the net result is neutrality.

          • Selamat Hyatt Adem,

            Picture in your mind an implosion in the heavens to form a black star. Now describe the sound. It certainly not a whimper like an explosive dropped from a flying bomber. Is it an internal BANG contained inward, where outside the black stars outermost perimeter it’s astronomical force, the physics is unaffected? What I am saying is that when an implosion forms a black star, there sure is explosion.

            To put it in context, Ethiopia ‘s desire to “normalize” relations with Eritrea, despite all of it’s best efforts and strategies for a controlled implosion, it innately is cautious about effects on Ethiopia, Dijubouti, Sudan, and Eritrea’s northern perimeters–I.e. Yemen, SA and The Red Sea.

            I see. yes has delegated himself to the tasks I requested. I am hoping you will be expanding on your “two three opposition blocks, coordinating resources…separate ways….” and join the esteamed Ayya Ismael AA, tes and others on this urgent matter. As well as direct unsolicited consultations to the Ethiopian Government regarding “two three opposition blocks” to incorporate in the new policy change towards the State of Eritrea.

            “Plant white roses in January and July.”

            Gheteb’s draw to both you and iSEM as The Best Sixth Man of the bench is understandable, but lethargic kinda… iSEM was wrong (what else is New?:-) to predict Gheteb’s “verbatim” response to Saay7. I, tSAtSE on the other hand…. iSEM has found a best friend to unclott his ink.

            The Optimist Vs. Pesimists by Point Blank’s Ishmael Burhan Ali and the Penut Butter Crunch conversations that ensued was indicative of the now. It was hinted then, the Eritrean Opposition will find it necessary to IMPLODE into a denser “two to three blocks” so that Eritrean Opposition will not be gravity-less in attracting people in the short run AND CERTAINLY to keep the State of Eritrea from tearing apart in the long run.

            Rather than prognosticating Ethiopia and Eritrea exploding and imploding for the next twelve to twenty five years, we should embark on “normalizing” relations between the Eritrean and Ethiopian neighboring states.

            For a strong one umbrella United opposition or “two three opposition blocks” to effectuate their goal, however, MaHmuday “The Best” SaliH’s rough analysis of the opposition needs to be expanded.

            I did find Saay7’s Nickolodean “Nick at Night” interview.

            Well, Tar Heals yeyy:(

            tSAtSE

      • iSem

        Hi Sal:
        I can “verbatimly” and “letterly” predict what your cousin Gheteb would respond to this comment of yours.
        But I will just say that you have correctly and pointedly replied to cuz Gheteb and that includes to literally the literal meaning of implode.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Howdy Cuz SAAY,

        Sure, you are right the prognostication of the Weyane Gotterdammerung — A turbulent ending of a regime or an institution or downfall — has not come pass and they are still alive and kicking, so to speak. The external pressure on the Ethiopian body politic has been growing slowly, but it was not fast and big enough to induce instantaneous implosion of the Ethiopian regime which has been led by the Weyanes.

        Two sorts of internal pressures are keeping this system from an impending implosion. One coming from the brutal and draconian ‘Command Post’ emergency rule and the unstinting support coming from the Western countries in propping up this system. The external pressures that are being exerted on the Weyane body politic are those that are coming from the resistance of the Ethiopian people. Once these external pressure becomes greater than the internal pressure and ,voilà, an implosion will surely take place.

        Don’t expect that one is able to predict precisely as when this implosion is going to transpire. However, the writings are on the wall, the Weyane edifice is continuously buffeted by a formidable external pressure that will inevitably lead to the implosion of the Ethiopian government. When the Weyanes know their end is around the corner, they will opt for the only solution that is going to guarantee their safety, invoke article 39 or whatever, and they will hotfoot all the way to Tigray.

        You may need to pay special heed to those Ethiopians who have been reading the Weyane tea leaves for a while to espy the downward spiral of the Weyanes rule in Ethiopia. Just imagine what will happen if there is a withdrawal of support from the Western countries or if the Ethiopian masses find out a way to overcome the Command Post emergency law, then you will see 1990-91 Ethiopia redux when the Soviet Union withdrew its unconditional support for Megistu’s regime and you know what followed after that.

        There are other things that I can say here to show that in the Weyane-land things are not that honky-dory anymore with a “Gobez Aleka” armed resistance mushrooming in many places in Ethiopia and the Ethiopian popular consciousness skyrocketing to a level that the demand for the removal of the Weyanes has to be met or else all hell is going to break loose even after the implosion of Ethiopia.

        • saay7

          Hey Cuz Gheteb:

          I thought u were a proud denizen of Planet Logica?

          Allow me to demonstrate why the shaebia prediction of the demise of “weyane” is wrong and will continue to be wrong:

          1. The external pressure: on the one hand, the EPLF narrative is that the West (US) will always support Ethiopia come hell or high water. This all started with the bogus quote of what an American state department official is supposed to have said “from the point of justice……” etc etc that I keep asking people to show me the quote and nobody is yet to provide I even asked Bruton and her entire Atlantic Council research department to produce it and it’s fake as a 3 dollar bill but it is as true as the Word of God in the EPLF narrative.

          2. The West is never going to apply pressure on a country with a population of 90 plus million to change. Unless that country has nuclear weapons or its leaders ocassionally say Allah and Mohammed.

          3. Therefore, you can ignore forget erase from your head the hope the fantasy that the west will apply pressure on Ethiopia. China won’t because it has business interests. Russia won’t because it has other priorities: undermining liberal democracy.

          4. As for internal pressures, the Ethiopian government has been aware of the necessity of co opting, modifying, changing, engaging its opposition longer than your EPLF which has always seen itself as representing the views of the supermajority of Eritreans and therefore it’s the tiny minority that have to change, certainly not the EPLF/PFDJ.

          5. Put all this in the pot and what you have is: the PFDJ will co tinue to make as it has for the last 12 years, wrong predictions about the demise of the Ethiopian government.

          At what point do ur guys say oh wow we were wrong on that? 🙂

          saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            What’s up Cuz SAAY,

            (1) Why are still barking the wrong tree and asking Bronwyn Bruton’s people to show you the 1950s John Foster’s quote when I directed you to ask the person who first brought up to the public’s attention. I think his name is Dr. Bereket and I suggest you ask him if this is a serious inquiry in your part and not something else.

            (2) You can claim that the West is not going to apply pressure on Ethiopia with 90 million population. However, they left their man, Mubark, to hang dry when the Egyptian popular uprising became an undeniable phenomenon. Half of that Egyptian size mass upheaval in Meskel Square in Addis Ababa, no one from their Western patrons is going to even bid the Weyane an adieu as their rule comes to an end in Ethiopia.

            (3) Sure, these years are different and things are not the same. I have NOT read anything that indicates Prez. Trump has contacted the Ethiopian PM yet. He has, however, talked to the presidents of Nigeria and South Africa and the Egyptian president is on a US visit even as we speak. Gone are the days of the Rices, Smiths guiding Barry Obama’s policy of favoring Ethiopia. I think a new sheriff is in town and so far they have uttered precious little about their preferential view of Ethiopia. So, I wouldn’t say that a Western help to Ethiopia is a cinch and withdrawal of this help is quite possible with the mass uprisings in Ethiopia.

            (4) Forget about my EPLF, the Weyanes have acceded to enter into negotiation with the internal Ethiopian opposition groups without any PRE-CONDITIONS indicating the precarious condition that they find themselves in. Co-opting or modifying or whatever is literally a phantasm because some of the opposition parties have walked away.

            (5) The simmering ethnic cauldron that is Ethiopia will at one point boil over and the West will part with the Weyanes and will be busily searching for other Ethiopians in the hope of forging a relationship that will help the West’s interests. Mind you that the Weyane’s and the West’s relation is NOT a catholic marriage and it’s dissolution never an impossibility.

          • Dawit

            When I read some of your comments, it reminds me of a quote, “talk sense to a fool and he will call you foolish”. If you don’t know Ethiopian politics, ask and we can explain to you since that thing called constitutional order doesn’t exist in your land. We had elections left and right, when did you ever see EPRDF demand any kind of pre-condition for meeting the opposition? Not in 2000, 05,10 or 15. Even willing to speak to your king, any given time or place including Asmera. If your entire premise is “when Ethiopia boils over” to make Asmera great again, I really feel bad for those who can lead the country to a better place or find common ground with all the neighbors, not just Ethiopia.

          • saay7

            Selam Cuz Gheteb:

            1. Yeah there is a reason to the madness of challenging people to go find the actual source of the John Foster Dulles alleged claim. It’s to get people to stop repeating something over and over just.because someone else has repeated them over and over before them. It’s encouraging them to develop their critical skills.

            2. The reference to Mubarek makes my point: remember the West will only risk destabilizing a country if the leader says Allah and Muhammad at least ocassionally. Mubarek did.

            3. We will see.

            4. Again, you made my point: good on them for agreeing to unconditional discussions with their oppo. Like I said, dealing with your detractors (instead of dismissing them and insulting them) is a muscle the Weyane has developed over a long period of time. This is why it doesn’t have an Eira Eiro for its founding members as Cuz Semere keeps pointing out.

            5. Everything is possible. The point I am making to you and the dysfunctional party (PFDJ) you admire is (a) don’t predict it as if it’s a certainty; (b) since such an implosion would be tragic for a country of 90 million, at least pretend to be concerned.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Cuz SAAY,

            Now you are really saying something that caught my attention and here it is:

            “( Here my advice is to your president and not you. When he is bored he reads awate forum.)”.

            I am really curious about “my president” reading this Awate Forum. Can you let your Cuz in on how you came to this conclusion? If you can shed light on this without spilling all the beans, it will be great.

          • iSem

            Gheteb:
            It is impossible to address all the crazy things you say, not that they cannot be addressed, far from it, I am talking about time.
            Every one you listed here is a founding father/mother of Eritrea, when people talk about the foudnign fathers of “Humora” , the do not mean jus those who participated in the congress that ratified its const. Founding fathers refers to both who were in the congress and to those who participated in some capacity in making “Humora”. And so I will address Haile Durue, not just because you stripped him by your Nah, No. No, but because he was really a founding father even by the most the most strict measures
            I will tell you this because it is erased from the dalabitated excercise book that you use from 1977.
            Haile Durue and IA and Mussie had swore to not betray Eritrea and each other with their blood.Each of them have tattooed their arms with blood the name Eritrea and each of them put their thumb on each other’s blood and like Vood priest touched their smeared their tongues with it
            IA lucked out he was sent to China, unlucky HD was went prison. So Just because he did not attend the Tekli meeting where they founded EPLF does not mean he was not a founding father Eritrean Ghedli was famous for electing leaders in abscentia, and am sure this is not covered in the cadre school, Eritrean Ghedli is not covered in your school.
            Now, your Nah, NO. No is remiscent with removing the clip of Haile D and IA dancing to a Tig song that every Asmarino laughs about. It is as silly as what Sal told you of always predicting the fall of TPLF and not smelling the coffee when the prediction falls flat face and even the one who predicted it admits that Ethiopia has become super power

            * Humora” : is used metaphorically here. Lots of Eritrea went to Humora labored there and made some change and then came back tot heir wives and kids in Eritrea and then went back to make money during the employment season. For Gheteb and many PFDJ supporters USA is Humora for them

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            Correcting a distorted facts

            EPLF was founded in the First Congress of 1977. In case you forgot the history of EPLF. I am sure you know what was the name of DIA’s group before this congress.

            Therefore your distorted information will be corrected as follows:

            (A) Durue? Yah! Yes. Yes.
            (C) Petros Solomon- Sure he was an old veteran by then.
            (B) Sherifo? Indeed he was.
            (D) Oqbe Abreha? By then he was in a position with a better academic qualification status – not a drop-out.
            (E) Berhane G – Ditto as (D)
            (F) Kekiya – Check in what position he was then working.
            (G) Hamid – He was an experienced freedom fighter by then
            (H) Jermano – He had at least one year experience by then
            (I) Aster – Indeed she was a founding member of EPLF(in 1977, she was in the field and attended the Congress)

            tes

          • iSem

            Hi Sal and Hayat:
            Even IA in a rare moment of truth or in habitual slip of the tongue during a couple of his annual interviews ago he said that Ethiopia “goblel koyna..”:Ethiopia has emerged a regional super power
            So Hayat, no Gheteb is not where IA was in 20015, he is where IA was in 1977.
            And the comparison with SU lifting its support for Dergi and now the West lifting its support to TPLF, No one except Gheteb remember SU lifting its support, it was going broke both in economics and cohesion and soon it fragmented, the supported and supportee both fragmented . Is Gheteb expecting the West, the entire West, Europe, USA and Canada and Ausralia to go broke like the SU did? I can even add China to the list of West, because China economical is becoming the like the West and is investing in Ethiopia.
            Also Saudi Arabia, which is becoming the “goblel of the middle east now is also investing in Ethiopia and it will be there as far as the eye can see, long after PFDJ and IA and Gheteb are gone with the caveat that the oil does not end or is replaced with new technology of Solar, Wind or a new technology allows the USA to extract the massive oil trapped in its rocky mountains, oil reserv so large that the middle east sweet oil, easy to extract pales in comparison

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb,
      You are exactly where IA was in 2005. Implosions and explosions are never influenced by opinions.Some years ago,IA spoke of Woyane, something similar to what Saay said. IA said then that Woyane’s clock read @ 5: 59: 59. Then an Ethiopian local media cited this utterance of IA to Meles in an interview that took place in Tigrigna a week or so later.
      Journalist: “Why would the Eritrean leader say the Ethiopian government is a single second away from collapse? Are we in that situation?”
      PMMZ: “I don’t know why he said that but I wouldn’t pay attention to such kind of statements. If they are saying so because they truly believe we are in such a situation, then that means they are stating what they really think. If they are stating it just for the sake of it, their words stand as such. What we do is really in-spite of what they say or believe, and not because of.”

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hayat Adem,

        Your Ethiopia of 2005 is quite different from that of 2016/17. You can say whatever you want about me, the political milieu in Ethiopia is glaringly dissimilar these days than it was a decade ago. Things are different and no amount of denial is going to explain away the seething wrath of the Ethiopian masses that is going to upend the Weyane rule over Ethiopia some time in the future as the popular consciousness has reached a threshold.

        You can quote like a Debtera scribe what the late PMMZ said about this and that. To be honest, I think you and your Godfather, AG, fall behind the curve in reading the prevailing political situation in your Ethiopia. You are in serious need of upgrading your readings of what is going on in Ethiopia.

        BTW, have you heard that the Weyanes are making some of the Ethiopian armed forces divisions solely comprised of Tigrayan soldiers? Hmm… mmm. You may need to ask AG for some serious “thinking sessions”.

        • Hayat Adem

          Gheteb,
          I can handle this.
          1) Ethiopia 2005 is different than Ethiopia 2017. I agree. Since 2005, Ethiopia solved many of its problems and is facing new ones. It was mainly since 2005, Ethiopia heralded double digit economic growth; so many mega projects and infrastructures built and being built; Dared for Gerd; three elections; transfer of power to the 2nd PM; tackled Somalia; Contained PFDJ: neutralized ONLF through political accommodation and negotiation. These are all signs of a very healthy nation. New problems: mobilized grievances; a bit of de-democratization; un-tackled corruption. And this are normal problems of an emerging poor country.
          2) “BTW, have you heard that the Weyanes are making some of the Ethiopian armed forces divisions solely comprised of Tigrayan soldiers? Hmm… mmm. You may need to ask AG for some serious “thinking sessions'”. As advised I asked and I don’t mind sharing what I got. Nope. You got that completely wrong. Ethiopian soldiers from Tigray are within a normal ration at the rank and files level but are a bit more at the higher posts as you up and the army is constantly evolving from time to time to be proportionally inclusive reflecting the true face of diversity in the country.
          3) But it is so bizarre that you, as an Eritrean, are uncomfortable of Tigrean soldiers in their own country while saying nothing when they serving Eritrea as Demhits. By the way, it is fair that a nation should balance and make sure that one type of group is dominating the army, but is not fair either to consider it as a budgetary share where you compete for a bigger slice of representation in the army. No body should be systematically blocked or favored but if you make the system open for all, let anyone from any part of the country with a passion and skill come and serve, and then earn promotions according to ts contributions. The army is supposed to be a deep state institution and remain a body of national unity and oneness, not a representation of federalism.
          4) Now let’s come back to Eritrea: What problems have solved as a nation since 2005? What GDP growth have registered since 2005? What mega projects have started or completed since 2005? What positive and exemplary success have we registered in front of the world? Do you join me in caring to see proper state and political or civic institutions such as a parliament, independent media; competing parties? Exodus, isolation, sanction, implicated in crimes against humanity, high export of refugees, desperate shifting of allies to sell service in doing dirty mission for other nations like EGYPT*
          ——-
          *Isayass publicly spoke of Egypt in 1996 as a bad actor with twisted outlooks against Eritrea and the region. He said whatever help Egypt gave to the EPLF armed struggle was in the interest of trying to harm Ethiopia. The irony is, even today, after he uttered these words, Isayass is acting as a messenger boy of Egypt for the price of few bucks. At the end of the day, Ethiopia will be a dependable strategic neighbor for Eritrea where cooperation and solidarity will be prospering both and uplifting their peoples off the poverty swamp. What can Egypt give?

          • Abi

            Selam Hayat Aden
            Could you please consult Angil Gabriel why the composition of the Ethiopian army generals is dominated by People from Tigry 25 years after the fall of derg?
            መልአኩ ገብርኤል ያመላክትሽ::

          • Haile S.

            Hi Abi,
            You are so funny! I was going to ask Gheteb who is this AG. Now I got my answer.

          • Olana

            Dear Abi
            It is sad Hayat, an Eritrean has more information than you about your “Ethiopia” and you are still joking. I know you are furious when you read her comment but you swallowed it and you just throw your silly question. And you can not do anything about it because it is your Queen who wrote it.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Olana, of course, he can do something about it. Don’t you see he has dropped the ‘my queeen’ title and rather addressed her as Hayat ‘Aden’?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Swt Abi,
            Why do you think he has anawers. He has opinions, Actually, he has one for this one, as well. Will paraphrase for archived old discussions with others. He beleives it is not right and not justifiable, nor fair at all levels, be it at the top, middle or the ranks. And he wanted it to be corrected sooner than 1995. He thinks that not only will remove suspicions from others about the intentions but thàt itt will also be unfair thay Tigrày had sacrificed its youth and ecology more than its share in the many differnt wars in history. ÀG wants Tigray’s focus shift fundamentally from military and defense to education and human development and environment rehabilitation to catch up with the other regions.

          • Abi

            [start with salutation]

            xxxx

          • Nitricc

            Hayat reading post, you are nothing but a paid TPLF cadre. What amazes me is you have no sense of balance and fairness. The truth is there is government in Ethiopia. and to answer to you inquiry
            ” Now let’s come back to Eritrea: What problems have solved as a nation since 2005?”
            Simple answer; they fed themselves and never kneeled for aid food and the never been in a news because of famine and hunger. I know, in your little and one side mind won’t consider but there is a different between feeding yourselfer a getting buried by mountains of garbage in trying to find food.
            that is the difference.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Gheteb,

      Do you think any of the opposition groups of Ethiopia, if they ever come to power, can be reliable partners of Eritrea?

      I cannot think of any.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Simon Kaleab,

        That is a very important and pertinent question to raise in these times. I am with you that I don’t think we can say at this juncture that Eritrea has a reliable partner(s) from the Ethiopian oppositions groups, ” if they ever come to power”.

        The one thing that I have yet to see is their stand vis-à-vis Eritrea that confirms that they believe wholeheartedly in Eritreas independence and sovereignty.

        Let us see what PIA says in the upcoming Oromo Media interview that I think will be aired soon.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Gheteb,

          Whatever Isaias says at his interview, I do not think and believe that the Oromo can be a reliable partner for Eritrea. I have the following reasons for this:

          1) Despite trying hard to convince others with the claim that they are a marginalised ethnic group, the Oromo have been part and parcel of the Ethiopian empire. They ruled Ethiopia either by proxy [during the era of the princes] or directly during Menelik and Haile Selassie [who were more than half Oromo]. In addition, for the last 500 years the bulk of the Ethiopian Army has been composed of Oromo soldiers.

          2) How did the Oromo travel all the way to Wello and Gonder from the borders of Northern Kenya? They must have colonised [obliterated] pre-existing societies.

          3) Through their historical journey, at this junction of Ethiopian history, the Oromo have become part of the intricate fabric of Ethiopian society.

          4) The Oromo ambition of establishing their Gada system, including replacing the Geez alphabet with the Latin alphabet is a retrograde step that is doomed to failure.

    • Selamat Gheteb,

      Bell Hall, Amherst Campus, Motorola 64 Hundred, I think, was the board that we used, utilizing and.or,nor gates. the bits and bytes. B.I.T, Black Institute of Technology. Bit by bit, to bytes. Bytes raised to the power of Two and you get 64 bytes. Yeah, I can relate with your once in a while assertions. So come along and head with me to Duefendorf to do some HISAB.

      At the “LiEle MuruQat” First WaLes event, do you recall the thesis that netted us ^Two Eritreans the second invite. Two bytes boycot you can skip… The Tar Heals #1 over all the 64 teams.

      The “LiEle muruQat” First waEla thesis pertains to your thoughts/Hisabat I am seeking on the following BIT of Ayya IsmaEil AA:

      “If the job of putting the clusters or categories currently claiming a place in the opposition arena could be placed in proper context, then it would be possible to device working platforms ( set governing rules) that could regulate coordination of roles and contributions toward serving the common objectives: tackling The dictatorship and planning for a replacement places for all stake holders.”

      Before I engage Ismael, as I intend to challenge him with my “point of departure”, I thought I could pick your BLUE BIRD BRAIN TO MAIN-DIEFENDORF HISSAB.

      Eerie silence in the forum platform. I am rather feeling like the Alamo Man.

      tSAtSE

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Forum, I think things are heating up on the border between Eritrea and Ethiopia. There have been continuous reports now, mainly from the Medrek webiste (Gheteb don’t laugh) of ongoing skirmishes on the border. The latest now, is reported to have taken in the Tserona area on 28th of March. And both sides are reported to make war-preparations by troop and military harware movements, as well as consolidating their frontline positions. In other developments, 13 armed men are reported to have been captured by the Eritrean defense forces in the Gash Barka zone; some of the men spoke Tigrinya, while others spoke Kunama language.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi Abraham H.,

      You said: “(Gheteb don’t laugh)”.

      I am NOT laughing at all. I knew and figured it out way too long that you are nothing but another Medrek fellow traveler who mindlessly parrots whatever the Mederk folks such as Andeberhan (the Aba Khebdu) and Dr. Rasputin, I mean Dr.Asefaw, talk about in their web site.

      To be perfectly honest with you Wedi-Hannibal here, I feel sorry for you and your Medrek. Why? Your Mederk literally finds itself in a political cul- de- sac with no way out, but a political demise as it’s ultimate fate.

      You also wrote: ” There have been continuous reports now, mainly from the Medrek website…”.

      Continuous reports? What continuous reports of border skirmishes are you bloviating about here, the Medrekite Wedi-Hannibal? I think you are out of your cotton-picking mind here. I have checked your Medrek website and I have only seen two “reports” or claims of border skirmishes between Eritrea and Ethiopia since the beginning of 2017 or even going back to June 2016, when your Weyane troops retreated with their tails neatly tucked between their legs, once the valiant EDF unleashed its counter offensive.

      Now tell me this, Wedi-Hannibal: by what bizarre mental alchemy have you and your Medrek folks come to the conclusion that “two reports” have become “continuous reports”?

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Gheteb,

        The people of Eritrea are suffering from war fatigue. That is why the opposition are pinning their hopes on foreign intervention and the medical condition of Isaias. In the mean time, they rely on home grown Crystal Ball readers and Voodoo priestesses for the political weather forecast.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Simon Kaleab,

          Exactly!

      • Abraham H.

        Hi Gheteb, I’m quite sure that you’ve not done a fraction of what those you are belittling have done to their country and the Eritrean people; unless you consider your cheering and worship of the tyrant as a contribution. I’ve never been, I’m not, and would never be a member of any political party; just to save you from your hallucination about my ‘membership’ in Medrek. Having said this, I support all Eritrean forces across the board who are determined to bring a change to the better in Eritrea by removing your ugly mafia regime. Regarding the news from Medrek, yes, there have indeed been CONTINUOUS reporting; I could mention at least three such news items this year only, though you’re free to call that whatever you want.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Abraham H.,

          You are right that Aba Khebdu and Dr. Rasputin ( Andeberhan and Dr. Asefaw) were members of the EPLF and may have contributed to the Eritrean cause far more than me, the mere mortal ‘Gheteb. However, their positive contributions pales in comparison to their NEGATIVE contributions taking into consideration their role in the nefarious anti-Eritrean Weyane agendas. That says it all.

          Yeah, you may not be a card carrying Mederk member, but you are at least a Mederkite in spirit as you keep using terms and phraseologies that are widely used by these Mederk folks. Your propensity of using the terms ጸድፊ ምጽዳፍ in describing the PFDJ “misrules” in Eritrea, like the Mederk folks use, and your fondness of invoking Google Earth as the Mederkites mention in their reports about UAE bases in Eritrea, are just two cases in point to back up my claims here.

          And, yes, since when has THREE reports became CONTINOUS reports?

          • saay7

            Cuz Gheteb:

            There is a guy who left a University, and not just any Mickey Mouse University like Haile Selasse I* but an American one, and not just an American one but the best in America, Harvard, to join the Eritrean field.

            There is another guy who joined the field and was renown for contributed to building the renowned “underground hospital” of the EPLF, legendary for saving hundreds if not thousands of lives.

            If I ask two random people what adjectives they would use to describe them, it would be “selfless” for the first one (because he certainly could have made a fine living with his Harvard degree, get on some tenure track and ocassionally say Awet nHafash.) It would be “life-saver” for the second guy.

            Karl Rove, a political strategist for George Bush believed that the best way to marginalize people was to take their strength and turn it into a weakness. Thus, John Kerry, with tons of medals for bravery in Vietnam, became a coward and traitor. And this political art form is now known as KarlRovian.

            My Cuz Gheteb has called the Harvard Guy Who Joined The Field “Selfish” and the MD who saved lives Dr Rasputin, the killer priest of Russia.

            I don’t know how many standing ovations this deserves but I can’t stand that long.

            saay

            * HSU was not a Mickey Mouse school. Just trying to see if Abi is awake and if that will get me a limerick.

          • MS

            Selam SAAY
            Great Harbegnawi rebuff. It’s a “ygermena’lo” time, SAAY. I mean, one can challenge people on their current political stances whichever way they may feel fit their mood of the moment, but denying them what they have earned is just not right.
            1. Dr. Asefaw Tekeste left behind a promising life, joined the EPLF in its toddler years; and he is among the folks who established EPLF’s health care system, an area that the organization was proud about. He saved thousands of lives operating around the clock, and enduring the offensive epithet “neus burjwa” or pity bourgeois. He would have ended in Ela-Ero if he would have been in Eritrea.
            2. Mesfun Hagos: A truly founding member and co-author of NehNan Elamanan, a man who had a share in building and leading EPLA. He would have ended up in Ela-Ero had he been in Eritrea.
            3. AdHanom Gebremariam, a man who joined the front while the front was still a coalition of three factions, and a man who built and lead the EPLA. He would have ended up in Ela-Ero had he been in Eritrea.
            3. Andebrehan W/Giorgis: a man who as you hinted had left a doctoral study in Harvard University, a person who led Association of Eritrean students in America, a person who co-translated Nhnan Elamanan into English, a man who joined the front when that front was still beginning to chart its course, a member of the first CC, and a man who served in media and foreign missions representing the EPLF…. He would have been sent to Ela-Ero if he was to express his views openly.
            4. Ahmed AlQaysi: a founding member of the secret party, a brainer and insider of the party; a man who led EPLF’s renowned information and propaganda department; he would have been sent to Ela-Ero if he had expressed his views openly
            5. Abdala Adem; a founding member, and a man who built and led EPLA
            ****************
            What does founding mean anyway? What date is our reference? EPLF was a constant evolving organization. When IA left for Ala, he might have information that there was another faction that was gathering in Aden, but he was sure of the number and political program. It took a shuttle of envoys and meetings for both the 1st and second to agree to work towards unity, and it took years for that unity to occur. The plan for a secret party was hatched when Haile Drue was in the field, way before the split of PLF from ELF. The idea of splitting was also in the air when Haile Drue was still in ELF, way before the actual decision. Therefore he is among the founders. Mahmoud Sherifo? Definitely, Petros Solomon? Definitely. He joined EPLF when the organization was not even sure of its final base area. The same with Oqbe Abraha, Berhane Gerezghihier, etc. Even folks like Aster Feshaxion joined the organization when it was still young. She was among the people who founded modern EPLF female boot camp and training regimen; she was among the few women who had joined the EPLF in its early years. But, again, it’s all ygermena’lo. The sad part is that in Eritrea today everything has turned upside down. Kor tegelbeT koynu.

          • saay7

            Hala MaHmuday:

            There is a very good reason why people keep referring back to George Orwell’s “1984” to explain the surreal world of totalitarianism because, after all, that was Orwell’s observation of Stalinism. You can find virtually everything Orwell noted in “1984” in PFDJ’s Eritrea:

            1. The heroes who get erased from history books;
            2. The overnight shift of “this country was always our enemy” to “this country was always our friend”
            3. “Big Brother Is Watching You” translated to Eritrean embassy officials taking video images of protestors;
            4. The “re-education” campaigns to instill obedience to the party (“tehadso”)
            5. The absolute control of information
            6. Torture as a means of instilling obedience
            7. The use of language to say the exact opposite of its original meaning (PFDJ struggles for justice–but let’s define what justice means: it means clean water.)
            8. Urban decay: have you seen a picture of Asmara lately
            9. Use of popular culture to distract the masses: Eritrea’s calendar is nothing but one festival after another
            10. Doublethink: this is my favorite quote from the book, and it is the one that is so frequently practiced by True Believers. I recently heard the artist Freselam has reconsidered his decision to distance himself from PFDJ and is re-embracing them. All the unkind things that were said about him are forgiven now because:

            To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.”

            “The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Cuz SAAY,

            I have not denied the contributions of Andebrhan and Dr. Asefaw. Let quote myself here:

            ” You are right that Aba Khebdu and Dr. Rasputin ( Andeberhan and Dr. Asefaw) were members of the EPLF and may have CONTRIBUTED to the Eritrean cause far more than me, the mere mortal ‘Gheteb”.

            That says it all. Yes, they have had a role in the Eritrean Revolution. But, hundred of thousands gave their life and many more thousands were maimed in the very course of the Eritrean armed struggle. Comparing to this, their role, in my book, was minuscule.

            Where they were before joining the EPLF is, frankly speaking, immaterial in the scheme of things that we call the Eritrean Revolution or Eritrea. The sobriquets that they are bestowed with are applicable only after they have dissociated themselves from the EPLF and have been at the tip of the spear leading the anti-Eritrean Weyane agenda.

            Those who are trying to DILUTE the role of the REAL founding fathers of the EPLF are only engaged in such revisionism just to advance their anti-PFDJ political outlook and nothing more.

            I can say more about the two sobriquets, but I will do that in some other time.

          • saay7

            Cuz Gheteb:

            Now this is interesting:

            First, you call them names
            Then you say these names you have given them are “applicable only after they have disassociated themselves from the EPLF and have been at the tip of the spear leading the anti-Eritrean weyane agenda.”

            Hmmm. I don’t know Dr. Andeberhan that well (although I have read his well-written book)…but I have heard Dr. Assefaw talk in public and in private and if there is one thing that defines him and his organization (and alienates him and them from the traditional opposition), it is that he is a proud tmali shaEbia, Lomi ShaEbia, tsBah ShaEbia . There is a catch: he thinks that the gang you support (IA and flunkies) hijacked the EPLF agenda, including commitment to political pluralism and constitutionalism.

            What I am curious about is how did you equate him with Rasputin, and what exactly is the parallel here?

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy Cuz SAAY,

            You say:

            “…but I have heard Dr. Assefaw talk in public and in private and if there is one thing that defines him and his organization (and alienates him and them from the traditional opposition), it is that he is a proud tmali shaEbia, Lomi ShaEbia, tsBah ShaEbia . There is a catch: he thinks that the gang you support (IA and flunkies) hijacked the EPLF agenda, including commitment to political pluralism and constitutionalism”.

            Yes, Dr. Asefaw has been talking for quite a while now and he may come across as a true and bona fide ShaEbia, but I am telling you he is no where close to those who have not only spawned the REAL shaEbiaism. He has been absent in these arduous years that this very Eritrean political outlook, ShaEbiaism, has been under an unremitting fusillade from all sides and Dr. Asefaw, for all intents and purposes, has been doing his part in these very anti-Eritrean political activities.

            You say that the “gang I support (IA and flunkies” hijacked the EPLF agenda? Really? How can the real originator and the very wellspring and fountainhead of ShaEbiaism and the EPLF agenda “hijack” his own ideas/notions/concepts and agendas? Is that even logically plausible. I think many have bandied this claim mindlessly for so long that it is simply taken as an axiomatic truism in the Eritrean political discourse.

            Of course, I am talking about Isaias Afwerki of the EPLF, the PFDJ and the GoE here. Say all you want about the man, but when it comes to the EPLF and ShaEbia, bringing these political whippersnappers the likes of Andeberhan and Dr. Asefaw in the same political conversations with one of the REAL fountainheads of ShaEbiaism is akin to comparing ELEPHANTS to FROGS in the annals of ShaEbiaism pre and post independence Eritrea.

            Dr. Asefaw, after kissing the Weyane ring in 2016, has prophesied that the PFDJ regime will be dead and removed at the end of 2016. Yeah, tell me now how a REAL Shaebia will sit down with the very antithesis of ShaEbia, the detestably loathsome Weyanes, and share his wishes of the demise of an entity that you are trying of making him to be an avatar of, is illogical at best. I think the likes of Dr.Asefaw and Andeberhan are the farthest personalities that one can even remotely associate with ShaEbia when their very political activities are geared towards the very upending of ShaEbia and ShaEbiaism.

          • saay7

            Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

            For the purposes of this discussion, and in the minds of people like Dr. Assefaw, EPLF and PFDJ may share two letters (P and F) but are two different entities. However EPLF started, it ended up giving us the 1987 Organizational Congress wherein it established on its platform its fealty to political pluralism and individual liberty. That was the highlight of the EPLF and the product of the enlightened members of the EPLF, which certainly didn’t include the frog or the elephant or whatever you are calling him and the assorted flunkies around him now.

            Meanwhile, the PFDJ had one singular congress–its first and its last–wherein it produced a National Charter where it showed its commitment to democracy, political pluralism and civil liberties were ambiguous to put it charitably. And since that date in 1994, it has continued on a path of one-man dictatorship climaxing in the frog, elephant, lion, Haras nebri, tortoise (or whatever accolades you have for him) telling us that whoever is in search of political pluralism can look for it in outer-space, and the reason he doesn’t bring the arrested to a court of law is because he would then be forced to execute them by a firing squad.

            As for Dr Assefaw prophesying the demise of the PFDJ in 2016 (got a source for that or is it the legendary Bado Seleste Wahyo?), even if he did, he would have been off by one year. Your elephant, lion, tortoise has been wrong about the demise of the TPLF for 12 years.

            saay

  • Hagos Kahsay

    Selam enda Awate,

    If Eritreans’ hopes are hinged to this coaltion then we are doomed. Nobody elected neither the PFDJ nor these opposition groups, and they also have in common that they are stuck in 1991. All dreaming of re-engineering Eritrean society to fit their own image.

    The most efficient way forward would have been to rally behind the implemention of the constitution from 1997.

    Even if they don’t like it, it would at least allow them to compete in elections and seek mandate from the Eritrean people to ammend the constitution to look like their particular party platforms.

    The problem now is that a bunch of old, tired and bitter politicians together with clueless and backward youth organizations are fighting to inherit the throne after Issias. Not even a blind person would follow these kind of leaders..

    Best regards
    Hagos

  • said

    Greetings,

    A Farfetched Notion: A Paradigm for Peaceful harmonious co-existence among Eritreans – A Third Way
    Mistrust among the Eritrean and the predominant percentage of the Ethiopian population in Ethiopia is so deeply entrenched and has gone too far that to a pragmatist thinking for entertaining one day a long-term harmonious and peaceful co-existence between the Eritrean and the Ethiopian population, the pragmatist would be subject of ridicule and even outcries of disloyalty, to put it mildly.
    This, since there so much blood on the hands from one side; and deprivation of rights perpetrated by the Ethiopian on the Eritrean and to that effect other also Ogden and Tigray that to an observer the fosse of mistrust is so wide, so deep that it would qualify as a figment of imagination, romantic and emotional farfetched notion to contemplate the coming together of both peoples, the Eritrean and the Ethiopian to forging a peaceful coexistence between the two sides in the near future.
    Coming to Eritreans issue and part of Eritrean suffered the obliteration of identity, after Eritrea independence dispossession of land and properties beside huge losses in lives and a decent future as a result of the creation of a national accommodation for PFDJ Cadre and lingering deep pains of loss are so poignant, so real; so very difficult to overcome for one to entertain any potential pragmatic resolution of the Eritrean opposition and -IA -PFDJ conflict and the dissipation of the deeply entrenched mutual mistrust.
    What renders the entertaining of peaceful long-term co-existence between the part of democratic PFDJ and the Eritrean opposition a farfetched proposition IA continuing unabated oppression drive; expropriation of Eritrean lowlands; some Eritrea minority the institution of discrimination system and engagement by the IA -PFDJ in a systematic Ethnic subjugation process towards the indigenous Eritrean in fulfillment of a plan to create a purely NUS idea NEHNAN ALAMANA State and the annexation part of lowland region have already gone far.
    However, granted that all these are discouraging indelible facts rendering any attempts at forging a genuine long-term peaceful co-existence plan between the Eritrean opposition and after truly reformed -PFDJ very difficult to attain that is made yet even more difficult by other negatively reinforcing factors, foremost:
    • Religion: NUS idea NEHNAN ALAMANA embarked on the plan in Eritrea in the first place by using the strong hold of religion on the ethos of the small group of EPLF and some elite Diaspora Eritrean with the nostalgic promise of the Return to the power presiding supreme on some highlanders ’s consciousness and misplaced false romantic fervor. This strong sense of cohesion rendered the more poignant with the systematic discrimination and disenfranchisement practiced against none EPLF supporters. first easy target was ELF and for Osman Sabai under the prevalent near doctrine of reactionary observed against his group.
    • Eritrean opposition Deep Misperception of self, heritage, history and an exaggerated notion of self-righteousness, including a deep-seated mistrust of the UNONIEST Eritrean that’s only reinforced by despondent Islamic narratives

    • By Corollary, Small minority Orthodox & Small minority Closed-minded Islamists, two major influencing political forces but contained, entertain notions and doctrines that are mutually exclusive negating the validity of one and the other. Deep dogma still dictates the mental and emotional realities of individuals and communities on both sides of the aisle of one nation.
    • The Huge Political and Cultural Gap between generally more democratic Eritrean minority system and the dictatorship policy of EPLF / PFDJ lack of a history of democratic institutions, of an embedded tradition of democracy that reflects on the mindset and general attitudes of a law abiding citizen. This indelible reality further deepens mutual mistrust and the deep sense of alienation in every possible way. Most difficult with the total absence of a democratic heritage to building mutual trust that the Eritrean when representing a significant percentage of the total pure and mixed Heritage Eritrean would respect and abide by the Rule of Law and fully respect the rights of minorities and ethnic group.
    • The Appeal and false dream and to a Romantic notions of AGAZAIN Eritrean Unity, a future rising power that would sweep across the entire region causing the defeat and ultimate vanquishing of patriotic and nationalist Eritrean and the ultimate prevalence and to dominate Eritrean Muslims, is non starter.
    The above reality, most formidable, very discouraging and very hard to overcome ought not, by the same notion, prevent creating a room for a movement among enlightened Eritrean of thinking outside the box, of coming together to pondering the creation of the nucleus of a movement espousing and expounding a Doctrine of a peaceful coexistence and Third Way. The creation of a Third Way Movement that espouses a plan of peaceful co-existence on the basis of cultural and religious heritage and democracy, creation of a civil society and respect of faith and abidance by the Rule of Law as applied equally and fairly on all citizens.
    Naturally, there are all the remaining easy issues to handle not the least of which the situation of the Eritrean refugees ought to be addressed fairly and equitably in a just manner and in a creative fashion as part of the Doctrine/Manifesto of the Third Way Inclusive Movement.
    True, the concept of a Third Way Movement and the potential realization of its respecting both faiths and democratic nation , none-sectarian objectives seem far-fetched to accomplish looking from the optic of the huge variance that currently exists in the ideological and political positions of the determinant forces in both camps; however, looking forward realistically into the future, the Third Way Movement’s doctrine seems the most realistic that only could potentially be capable of paving the grounds for potential meaningful dialogue between the all Eritrean to ensure a lasting peace and a constructive harmonious co-existence between all Eritrean is achievable .
    Among the doubtful rejectionists on the some of Eritrean side, including the romantic maximalists susceptible to simplistic ideological and emotional narratives of a much romanticized past, even a distorted vision of reality, to support their arguments of the inevitability of vanquishing and prevailing over the others who do not agree with them. In this regard, these romantic maximalists tend to overlook certain realities and facts of life.
    • The historical Abyssinia had always been ruled or controlled, all through its history, by powerful kingdom of an empire with doubtful narratives of respect of Democratic rules and observance of minorities and human rights. In other words, in the absence of a genuine inclusive indigenous regional power representative of the aspirations and common indigenous culture, the concept of the Sphere of Influence, filling the power vacuum between competing world powers would always exist. Instructive to note in this vein that Centuries of Ethiopian kingdom Rule on the basis of shared religion left the Ethiopia backward, marginalized many ethnic group.
    • The US remains the dominant power in the horn of Africa region for the apparent foreseeable future. In all its terrible biased anti-Eritrea, position, the US is an empire that is ruled by the Rule of Law whose executive branch is accountable to democratic institutions in a well-entrenched tradition of democracy. None of the other major powers, Russia and China can display similar attributes.
    • The US can help and has the some minor say like incentive and good will over and among some Eritrean intransigence that should a Third Way Movement start gathering momentum, the US, and by the appeal of shared civic society values could be bound to recognize and give support to such a movement.
    • Building on the Current relative peaceful co-existence among the Eritrean in diaspora Despite all the valid criticism of the discriminatory policies against Eritrean ,US Democratic state governed by the Separation of Power of Democratic Institutions tainted with biases and prejudices as they are, still provide a practical precedence, experience to perfect and build on for a future Eritrean Third Way Movement model of Democratic and a None-Sectarian State governed by the Rule of Law as applied equally and fairly on all citizens.
    The above are loud thoughts to try to break away from an endemic stalemate that only invites continuous tensions; future strife and provides a fertile ground for all kind extremists to dictate the political agendas and the future of people on Eritrean people .The realization of a Model State along the Doctrine/Manifesto of the Third Way Movement would usher in an exceptional prosperous entity that could serve as an engine of economic growth; transfer of knowhow and technology to the entire region; and as a model of a representative democracy to emulate. Life starts and carries on with a dream.

  • blink

    Dear Abraham , Yes the main problem is ours , i mean all Eritreans but the few who are acting on behave must take the responsibility. Why could not they agree at least on some thing , how can it take years ? I mean we are not in honeymoon . We need solution , just see it as some one , who is frustrated due to the disagreement in between . We can not afford to continuously go like that . The difference they have must not be greater than the problem we have at home. I personally feel terrible about the time they spent arguing to each other . Issias never stopped yet they are in deep coma.

  • MS

    Hello Awatista
    How about a music break? Guantanamera? OK. This is a classic Cuban song which has become an international anthem of love, patriotism and resistance. When I was a young revolutionary, I thought it was associated with the Cuban Revolution and Sierra maestro mountains. But the song has a longer history; it has been adopted to fit different situations and improvised by different artists throughout the world. Enjoy. Lyrics is translated, watch the accompanying captions of the videos.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blUSVALW_Z4

    • Selamat MaHmuday “The Best” SaliH,

      The March Madness Final Two are determined. The Men’s Division 1 NCAA Championship game will on Monday night April 3, 2017. The title game “Goliath Vs. Goliath” between Gonzaga Bull Dogs Vs. North Carolina Tar Heels.
      Thank you for the Cuban Music Guantanamera share earlier, MS-FAB5!

      Wolverine Weapon X

      tSAtSE

    • Selamat MaHmud “The Best” SaliH,

      “Yo soy un homre sincero….de donde crece la palma!”

      “I am a Truthful Man…Who comes from where the palm trees grow!”

      The Arkobkobay Gurgurr AAkat FAB5! Great share man! The Gurgurr Find in time for the FINAL TWO!!!

      I wanted to add the lyrics of Guantanamera. English below.
      tSAtSE

      Guantanamera

      [Estribillo:]
      Guantanamera, guajira guantanamera
      Guantanamera, guajira, guantanamera

      Yo soy un hombre sincero, de donde crece la palma
      Yo soy un hombre sincero, de donde crece la palma
      Y antes de morir yo quiero cantar mis versos del alma

      [Estribillo]

      Cultivo una rosa blanca, en julio como en enero
      Cultivo una rosa blanca, en julio como en enero
      Para el amigo sincero, que me da su mano franca

      [Estribillo] (2x)

      Mi verso es de un verde claro, y de un carmín encendido
      Mi verso es de un verde claro, y de un carmín encendido
      Mi verso es un ciervo herido, que busca en el monte amparo

      Guantanamera, guajira guantanamera *
      Guantanamera, guajira, guantanamera

      I am a truthful man; I come from where the palm tree grows,
      I am a truehearted man, who comes from where the palm trees grow,
      Before I lay down my life, I long to coin the verses of my soul

      Chorus

      I plant a snowy rose in January and July,
      I grow a snowy rose in January and July,
      For the open-hearted friend who puts a helping hand in mine

      Chorus

      The words that I write are radiant crimson and emerald bright,
      The poems that I write are radiant crimson and emerald bright,
      My verses are a wounded deer seeking shelter in the mountain height.

      Chorus

  • blink

    Dear All
    In the above article it is stated ” meeting for last Wednesday ” , do you guys have any info? or it is going on behind bars with weyane doing their twist .

    • Peace!

      Hi Blink,

      Don’t you think you would be better off with weyane than with the rotten Islamists umbrella or PFDJ? I think you should go with the better one since you have no other options, and it would save you time from chasing the groups you utterly hate.

      Peace!

      • blink

        Dear peace
        Look you are revolving around the word ISLAMISTS , cheer up your rotten tomatoes can not be used even for animals. As I said below the so called islamists , Elf remnants and ex- PFDJ will produce nothing. In 2010-11 there were 127 people many of them from EDA and some like Mr.Amanuel hidrat and now all people like Mr Amanuel are gone ,what remains is karonelos and his weyane jokes.

        • Peace!

          Hi blink,

          You left no space for you to fit in unless we are talking about buyer’s remorse. ouch!

          Peace!

          • blink

            Dear peace
            Good ,because all the space you think you have is full of goog. I do not want to fit in goog club. You are asking me to fit wth people who deals with a problem by sweeping it under the rug.

  • Ahmed Idris

    كما قال حزب الشعب ما بنى على باطل فهو باطل.

    • Peace!

      اهلا احمد ادريس

      نعم ماقلته بالنسبة للمثال فانه حق ولكن علا
      قدر المستطاع يجب ان نقوم بتصليح لان اذ لم نقوم بتصليح فسوف تدوم الاوضاع علا هذا الحال

  • Yosief Tewolde

    Dear good people,

    It is imperative to know that the Eritrean opposition entities and partys failed miserably indeed. Is ENCDC death, a culmination of the misserable state of all Eritrean elements with opposition views demise?

    1. I, like many, for example never have been convinced by the opposition elements as such.

    The likelyhood of my current personal views being acceptance of my current circumstances, giving me more time for thought and analysis.

    2. Although the current state of Eritrea calls for drastic measures for a positive change, one can still not see build up of opposition for a positive change.

    3. The current situation in Eritrea would perhaps call for re-union with Ethiopia which in my openion practices incremental Democracy©. Then again in Eritrea, there is no constitution to base on and to request a second referendum.

    © What I mean by incremental Democracy is that Democracy should be introduced in small steps for people to grow up with it and get acqainted in the process.

    As it happened, Hitler and Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt practiced an element of Democracy by making election. Then again, it is no secret they had hidden agendas.

    Twitter @ucf_seber

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Yosief T., you seem to put it that our current predicament is becasue we chose unanimously in 1993 to be independent state. I totaly reject and disagree with that kind of misrepresentation of the problem in order to justify one’s desire for unity with Ethiopia. Our problem is home grown terrible DICTATORSHIP, period. And our main priority is to rid ourselves of this menace of Isayas tyranny.

      • Yosief Tewolde

        Dear Abraham H.

        forgive me for responding late. You state, “you seem to put it that our current predicament is becasue we chose unanimously in 1993 to be independent state.”
        PFDJ current ruling system today tells me the EPLF ruling before 1993 was lopsided. If we knew that EPLF ruling system was as such and simultaneously if the rule of Hailesilassie and Derg in Ethiopia practiced what I call incremental Democracy, the result may have been different.
        By incremental Democracy, what I mean is the practice of Democracy in small steps for people to grow up with it. Currently, Ethiopia seems to practice just that in my view.
        what do you think?

  • MS

    Selam Awatista and AT
    My general impression is that the editorial would be more helpful if it either clarified or avoided some loaded statements.
    1. It says ” Since then some entities within the opposition decided to dismantle what remained of the ENCDC…”
    Don’t you think it is to the interest of the public to know which are these entities? And how can they still retain a membership of ENCDC when they decided to dismantle it? My point is if you think delving into the detail is not helpful, the statement itself should not have been made.
    2. On PMMZ, the editorial notes that PMMZ left a void. Was it just a matter of personal commitment or his departure brought in a policy change from the Ethiopian government? What is that the current PM is not able to do that PMMZ had done? Spelling out some facts would benefit the average reader. What’s known is the Eri-opposition is handled by a retired General within the security apparatus. Its funds and political assistance comes from the Sana’a forum, which in reality is the Ethiopian government.
    3. It also states that “several Eritreans made goodwill gestures….” to help the organizations break the impasse, “but “their initiatives have been silently sabotaged.”
    I think the readers would benefit knowing the nature of the attempts made, without going to details.
    4. The editorial states that some individuals “with no evident political weight have been dictating their will whether the ENCDC move forward or stay bogged down…”
    How could individuals with no political weight decide the fate of an umbrella political party. I assume the individuals represent organizations, therefore, it would be accurate to speak in terms of organizations with political demands. in that case, I would farther assume that the reason why these individuals hold such a determinant role is because they do have some political weight, otherwise, the ENCDC would simply move forward, and would survive without those individuals “with no political weight”.
    5. The editorial further tell us that THERE are Ethiopian allies, and non allies within the ENCDC. It says, ” Sadly, the Ethiopian allies neither gave an approval , nor an unambiguous refusal” that they will attend the conference. That would indicate that there are factions that are favored by Ethiopia. In that case, Ethiopia is not an honest broker. It has factions that are more allied with it than the normal friendship relationship that almost all Eritrean opposition factions have with it.
    6. The editorial also says “True, no one has openly claimed the damage was intentional…”. Well, after 16 years, and knowing that we are dealing with seasoned politicians, I don’t know how one can downplay the intentions. There is an an Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia, and there is an Ethiopian favored-Eritrean-opposition in Ethiopia. That means there are factions which are pliant towards accommodating Ethiopia’s strategic interest, and there are factions which are trying to stay as independent as possible. There is no question who will gain the lion share of Ethiopia’s attention.
    7. The only information one would glean from the editorial is that of Medrek and Kernelios’s status (the first given a thumb-down and the second one a thumb-up) review.
    8. Conclusion: One must ask: What’s Ethiopia fault (maza zenb Ethiobia)? Here the editorial was correct in zeroing in on the ENCDC officials. People are waiting for results. I think the Ethiopians have been patient. Naturally, they will invest in a project that secures their interest. It’s up to the Eritrean officials who are speaking on our behalf to raise their efforts in order to meet people’s expectation. I don’t see why ENCDC should be seen as a make-it-=or break it project. If does not work, it is simply because it can’t. It should not be the end of the journey. Those who can work together better can move on. Results of their work will make them more appealing and will serve as a center of gravity for the hesitating ones.

    • Selamat MaHmouday “The Best” SaliH,

      Randomly I will choose one of you Eight excellent inquiry with regards to your take on the editorial. As it coincides greatly to mine.

      Here point 4 will do, as it assists our very active of recent FAB5 selecte:

      “4. The editorial states that some individuals “with no evident political weight have been dictating their will whether the ENCDC move forward or stay bogged down…” ”

      FAB5. Abi would and has called such scenario of your poin 4: Hi General Nitricc
      ጥርስ የሌለው አህያ በገጣጣ በቅሎ ይስቃል
      ( just kidding)
      አህያ የሌለው በቅሎ ይንቃል
      Would the editor’s put utilize the parenthesis the same as FAB5 Gashe Abi on this “April fooling” day?

      I am going to quote a fitting sentence I stumbled uppon:
      “Thucydides’ speakers rarely persuade their audiences, but they seem often to have persuaded themselves.” Is it a wonder or contradictory then that both you and I seem to be persuaded exactly in the same way as far as the editorial is concerned.

      Regards,

      tSAtSE

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Mahmuday, nice to see you here again after a while, when I was starting to miss your insightful input to the forum. I hope the Awate Team would give due consideration to your inquiries and come up with unambiguous and exhaustive answers as they are also important to many of us.
      On your point number 5, I feel that you’ve misunderstood the message. This is how I understood it, AT says, “Sadly, the Ethiopian allies neither gave an approval, nor an unambiguous refusal, and kept the ENCDC in a limbo when it had to plan issues of security, logistic, and finance.”. Here the AT are talking about the Ethiopian side being an ally to the Eritrean opposition, it [the Ethio Gov] didn’t give a clear and unambiguous reply on whether the Eritrean opposition could hold its Congress in Ethiopia or not. This situation, according to the AT, kept the ENCDC in limbo, in the manner that the opposition could not seek other alternatives in terms of financial support, venue, security, etc.
      But wait, have I myself misunderstood the message? Becasue it says the Ethiopian allies-in plural; when we know that the Ethiopain side is just one-the Ethio Gov, in that case should it have been the Ethiopian ally? Or are they talking about the Tigray Killil vis-a-vis the Fedreal Gov, or several people/institutions from the Ethiopian side that are involved with The Eritrean opposition? Sorry Mahmuday, I made it more complicated; certainly we need some clarification from the AT:)

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Abraham,

        You clearly understood the position of AT towards Ethiopia regarding the opposition. However, their report is wrong. As I mentioned in my earlier response to tes, the Ethiopian government made it clear that unless the opposition come united, they will not offer logistics and finance to any conference or congress. But they will offer security for those who want to go alone with their own logistics and finance for their conference. AT’s report is not correct and no organisation has any leverage or veto power to sway Ethiopia’s position or block any help that might come from Ethiopia. It is all inaptness of the opposition as a whole that put them where they are.

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Amanuel H., this is not the first time the Awate Team criticizing or implying a destructive intereference from the Ethiopian gov in the affairs of the Eritrean opposition groups. I’ve read previously in this website that the Ethiopian gov favors some entities within the opposition groups, it is the EDA group if I’m not mistaken. So I guess there must be some form of unhealthy meddling from the Ethiopian side which could be part of the reason for the failure of the groups to come together. As they say in Tigrinya, zeytefesfes aychinon.

          • blink

            Dear Abraham
            Do not you think EPRDF has some favorite people in the Eritreans opposition groups? I do ,unless they could not see such sick people again and again. Ethiopia is waiting for their favorite group to have more say. Ethiopia will always look after its interest and they will bribe and cash in same power hungry people . Any thing cooked by weyane and their sale out will not get any support ,they will be as the same as 2011 even after 2020.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam blink, as in any bilateral relationship, it is expected that the Ethiopian side also has some vested interests to keep when they offer any political or other form of assistance to the Eritrean opposition camp. What makes the current impasse so serious is that the divide between the various sides is so insurmaountable that they are even incapable to hold a single Congress after the initial one six years ago. This situation leaves someone asking how invasive and detrimetal any eventual Ethiopian meddling is to result in the opposition activities ending to a grinding halt?

          • blink

            Dear Abraham
            I am just frustrated that ,it took over 10 years to figure out who to help and what to do with it. Issias have done far better with G-7 and others of weyane opponents. There is division in Ethiopia oppositions yet they set the 100 % EPRDF government in live support emergency . The Eritreans has two enemies the first one is Issias and his gangsters and the second one is the rotten people in the opposition.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam blink, I would say the Eritrean oppo are enemies of themselves rather than of the Eritrean people.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello blink,

            “Ethiopia is waiting for their favorite group to have more say.”

            You are not analyzing the facts at hand carefully. The disagreement is between the opposition factions and not between one or some group and Ethiopia. What Ethiopia is demanding is for the opposition to be united and approach it as one cohesive unit. That is what they are failing to do. Even if Ethiopia is “meddling” in their affairs under the guise of “to help them solve their differences,” what is preventing those that are outside Ethiopia from uniting as one front?

          • blink

            Dear Fanti
            EPRDF can invest in people they agree with , they can not wait for people with full of moral hazards to agree .I am saying why do they wait over 10 years. I am telling you that these people with moral hazards are not in to solutions, they never was and they never will. So any meddling is going to be ended in trash bin.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello blink,

            “invest in people they agree with…”

            Tempting but dangerous. I would be inclined to say that too if I didn’t know why EPRDF will not pick “the least evil” and call it a day. When TPLF sided with EPLF in the past, it was because it made sense to it at the time. Now, it seems to be saying that we are not going to make the same mistake again by picking one “good” verses the rest just to get rid of PFDJ. Imagine if Ethiopia picks one, somehow get it to Asmara Palace, and eventually, the Eritrean people chose one of those Ethiopia rejected instead and what do you think we will get? Another brand new friction!

            There is no alternative but for the opposition to think about Eritrea first, unite, and put Ethiopia to the test. By the way, the unity does not have to be the forming of only one political entity. There can be a number of them as long as they have a common platform enough to be able to approach Ethiopia, AU, and UN as one unit alternative to PFDJ.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,
            Some points that you may consider.

            Not all groups are formed by Eritrean will, there was influence and push to form others

            If you brought two of your tea shop groupies and formed a group, it’s likely you will be recognized as an opposition group and confuse the relations

            You mentioned the diaspora and asked what is preventing them from uniting. Everyone has some sort of relations with Ethiopia and they are the main problem acting as absentee landlords of the opposition. The other organization would be able to solve their mutual problems if the opposition lab was left to Eritreans to handle.

            Every sane Eritrean believes Ethiopia has interests to protect, I do. However, they do not want to discuss it –maybe they underestimate anyone who is not a government.

            There are other things that cannot be said, bdufunu is better.

            Believe me, the moment Ethiopia recognizes it is part of the problem, we will be in a better situation. Until then, the demeaning remarks of “they failed to unite” is absurd, particularly for people who were outlawed combatants who went through similar experience. That is sad.

            I am not questioning our failures, Eritreans bear the major responsibility. And that makes it more complicated 🙂

            . Is the problem in the Egg or the chicken, Fanti?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir,

            This is harder than it looks on the surface. It seems that the more I think I know about it the less I seem to understand. I really don’t understand Ethiopia’s hesitation here. Unless there is a fear of a potential protracted civil war, what can be worst than the status quo, at least, for Ethiopia?

            May be the “they failed to unite” reasoning is asking too much from diverse society as Eritreans are. If Ethiopia is not doing what it is doing for the long term viability I credited it for, then it must be asking “what is in it for me,” hence the indifference. It looks like Ethiopia might be trying to play it cool by not stating its wishes, but not cool enough to help expedite the opposition’s march forward.

            This egg is unique. It must have laid itself!

          • MS

            Selam Fanti
            With all due respect to differing views, I would say the problem is squarely on the competing interests as framed by the opposition leaders (mind you, no one has conclusive proof if those interests or programs really represent societal inclinations). The current configurations include religious vis-à-vis secular; and regional/ethnic vis-à-vis national. It’s very tough to reconcile these diametrically competing interests. Add to this another dimension which is of historic nature: that of Jabha and Shaebia; add to it Ethiopia’s place within all these. Now, one should ask the following: if the prevalent theory is that there is no mutual TRUST, then one should show that those organizations are really doing fine horizontally. That means the Afar, Kunama, Islamist parties, or secular ones should be doing well within their constituents, and that their problem should be only on areas concerning the establishment of broad-based front. But that’s not the reality. We don’t see each of these organizations growing within “their” constituencies either. Therefore, I think the anemic existence of these organizations fundamental than we tend to appreciate. Their programs did not attract Eritreans; their behaviors appeared to be immature to trust them with running the nation. A friend once told me that the Writers and publishers of Awate.com have more followers than anyone of the biggest organizations. In short: the leaders appear to be repositioning themselves for any eventuality rather than positioning themselves for creating that eventuality. All the blocks you see along ethnic, regional and religious fault lines; all the squabbles you see in terms of getting maximum number of chairs in the council, all the jockeying for Ethiopian attention; or the occasional inter-organizational fights, the blaming and counter blaming…appear to be attempts being made by these leaders in order to stay positioned when PFDJ falls. That’s where the problem lies. And I think the

          • sara

            Dear mahmoday,
            Geography has so much influence in the make up and power play of those under discussion
            the story you will hear in sudan is the same when they were based in sudan in the past…. when in sudan the influence and favored were the religious groupings and now in ethiopia its the turn of the ethnic based groups.
            the good thing is eritrea has two immediate neighbors, imagine if we were in the position of sudan which has 10 countries with differed political interests.

          • MS

            Ahlan sara
            I agree. Remember Syria and Iraq were assisting Jabhat AttaHrir believing they were to install a BaEthist regime in the Horn. And AlEKhwan fi Assudan were also trying tom influence. Therefore, it’s a given fact that Ethiopia will assist factions it sees will ensure its long term national security. But putting aside the bitter past, I don’t see a contradiction or a conflict between stable Eritrea and stable Ethiopia. Looking at it from a strategic vantage, I will guarantee you the Ethiopians are not going to push a ragtag Eritrean opposition forces to power. One thing we need to swallow is the fact that the Ethiopians are 25 years ahead of us in terms of nation-building and in exercising modern politics (regardless of how we try to disapprove it). True, they are experimenting. But success follows experimentations. Bold decisions and experimentations are choking Eritrean political scene, from both sides, the government and the opposition. And this static state or so-called impasse has been a demotivating factor to Eritreans. Well, some times, we just have to swallow facts, how bitter they may taste. If for years ENCDC is not moving forward, abandon it. It is not a must that all interested individuals and organizations hammer a consensus. But as I tried to illuminate in another comment, I think the reason is more than what’s officially communicated. They are more on what they could get after the downfall of the regime than in mobilizing Eritreans in creating the downfall.

          • sara

            mahmouday,
            Iraq,Syria are no more…countries that are cradle of civilization who produced many philosophers,thinkers
            in the Arab Islamic umma for the benefit of all humanities are now shredded entities like they never existed…very saddening..
            as for our neighbors, it is not only 25 years but 3000+25
            years of Abyssinian story and we have to respect their claim
            regardless of any counterclaims coming from historians.
            my point is eritreans have to own their cause and its discourse, not third parties who have ulterior interests that
            will not bring unity,peace and development to Eritrea.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam sara, do you think we defeated the Derg alone, purely depending on our own? No, we had freinds left and right, in particular, if Sudan didn’t offer us a base and an outlet to the outside world, I think we would never have made it. I can tell you the Sudan had even offered us its territory where we could organize, even our nascent Naval force/Haili Bahri was based in Agig, where we could train and build our speed boats which later on were to be used to demoish the gigantic Ethiopian Naval Force during the Fenqil Offensive, in a very typical David against Goliath showdown. Likewise, the Eritrean opposition today against the PFDJ regime needs all the constructive help it could get from our neighboring countries and the whole world. The thing is we need to organize better and channel whatever help we get to the maximum benefit of our struggle and not to divide us.

          • sara

            Dear abraham,
            I understand your point, but
            The real support was the sympathy of Sudanese people to eritrean pepple not the governments and most of all our just cause was owned by eritreans.
            Even in Sudan the people recognize the hurdles made by successive governments from abud to numeri,sadiq almahdi….all of them for some reason were submissive to Ethiopian intimidation and interests.

          • MS

            Ahlan Sara
            And that’s the point. Although Iraq and Syria tried to install BaEthist ideology in the ELF, the independent national force minimized the influence. That’s because Eritreans owned their agenda’s. Sudanese influence faced the same fate. So, the point is, be it Ethiopia or other foreign force, they all try to influence. It’s up to the leaders of the Eritrean opposition force to figure out what best to make out of it. As far as the present predicament of Iraq and Syria is concerned, we better not burry our heads in the sand. Dictators don’t live for ever. Once dictators, fall unprepared nations such as ours face the same fate. I brought Ethiopia’s 25 years experimentation for a practical example. However inadequate it may be, they are trying practicing civil governance. As the Tigrigna saying goes, we can’t belittle a mule when we don’t own a donkey. We see a PM who apologizes for the loss of lives, who reports to a parliament regularly; we see a transit board which reports losses to a parliament, we see a government that enters into dialogue with opposition parties…etc. They are experimenting the arts of politics. That’s missing from Eritreans. You know I’m a vocal critic of the Ethiopian government’s policies towards Eritrea. Not on this one. We should own up to our failures. Ethiopia will always look after its interest. And believe me, the long term interests of both countries are not mutually exclusive. We will overcome the present difficulties. If Ethiopia wants security and access to the Red Sea, so we do need Ethiopia’s use of our ports and the security of the region.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I am a bit interested to share my view in this comment of yours, and here are as follows:

            (a) “it’s a given fact that Ethiopia will assist factions it sees will ensure its long term national security.”This statement is a common assumption from keen observers generally on how states and their actors interact diplomatically, in a bilateral bases, for their interests. But such formal international relationship do not and could not exist between states and non-state actors. Because, they do not have equal political status to establish the normal bilateral relationship of give and take negotiations. There is nothing the non-state actors could give to the state actors in return, in their negotiations except of receiving some helps to facilitate their causes. Usually, the non-state actors are the beneficiary of the necessary help they could get from state actors, provided their success will bring peace, stability, and mutual prosperity, when the non-state actors become state actors. The relationship of our opposition as non-state actors with Ethiopia as state actor is strictly based on that premises. Now, Ethiopian government might or might not have factions of their interest. If they have organizations of their interest, why do they put a condition to the factions to “unite” in order to offer any kind of help to the opposition camp? why don’t they help to the organizations that ensure Ethiopia’s long term security? Doesn’t it sound contradictory? In my view, and from the current position of Ethiopia, the government only saw, that the long term national security could be only ensured from the “united opposition” as alternative to the existing regime that become the source of instability of the region.

            (b) “But putting aside the bitter past, I don’t see a contradiction or a conflict between stable Eritrea and stable Ethiopia.” I agree that there isn’t any contradictions between stable Ethiopia and stable Eritrea. Then, don’t you think Ethiopia’s interest could only be secured with a stable Eritrea, and why they pressure the factions to unite in order to launch a formidable resistance against the regime? Don’t you see the difference on their interest between Ethiopia and the oppositions on “stable Eritrea”. Ethiopia’s position sounds more palpable on stable Eritrea than the positions of the political organizations who could not put together their common interest to ensure a stable Eritrea?

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • MS

            Ahlan Emma
            I think you misread me. I’m looking at the premise that countries support oppositions of other countries on a provisory status. There is no unconditional or a blank-check support. Russians are doing it in order to expand their interests in the west, Jamal Abdulnasser was doing it in order to spread Egypt’s interests in Africa (it could be ideological or economic and security considerations); Gaddaffi was doing it; Eritreans were doing it in supporting Ethiopian rebel groups, and now IA is doing, etc. The same with Ethiopian support of Eritrean opposition. Eritrean ghedli mitigated foreign influences because it was anchored on popular domestic support. In that case, it had the liberty of ignoring or turning down advances and promises that it deemed were of impinging nature. So, we can’t really ignore the fact that Ethiopia will support only an opposition that will in the future ensure its national interest. And we can’t blame it for that, as the Tigrignas say “A woman should not long to have a man if it does not want to be scratched by his scruffy beard.” You can’t demand an Ethiopian support and yet expect them to be clean shaved. Of course, as it stands, Ethiopia can’t make treaties with none state actors, but it has to get a promissory-note, if you like, that once they come to power they will meet a minimum . As I said in my previous feeds, however, if we are to assume people act rationally, the long term interests of both countries don’t necessarily run on parallel lanes. So, there is a ground on which both sides can come out on a win-win fashion. To make it simple, it’s not a matter of giving support. Ethiopia has been giving support. However, if it has to upend that support, it has to see a promising draft of a feasible project. It has to see an opposition that needs more money, more arms, more offices, more facilities…etc. For that to happen the opposition has to move forward; it has to grow in size and influence. Therefore, as I see it, it has been a catch 22. That’s why I want us to shoulder the responsibility. Minimally, I think the Ethiopians are looking at:
            a/ an opposition that is ready to govern
            b/ an opposition that is friendly and is ready to revitalize the relationship of both countries.
            And I have concluded that Eritrea benefits from both of the above.
            One thing that I have to make clear is that, although it is disheartening to see the childish squabbling and impasse in the opposition camp, what is hurting Eritrea at this time is the regime, which is suffocating it to death. The opposition factions may be blamed for not doing better, but we can’t blame them for the imprisonments and disappearances that Eritreans are enduring; we can’t blame them for the poor economic performance and for the quagmire the country finds itself in its foreign relations; we can’t blame them for the destruction of Eritrean social fabrics; we can’t blame them for the bleak future our young people are facing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I can’t agree more and I don’t misread you. The two points you mentioned at the end of your comment are precisely what Ethiopia is looking to happen in the opposition camp. An opposition that could govern itself, formidable to face the challenge, and recognize a peaceful coexistence of both countries for the basis of prosperity and tranquility as quintessential for both countries. Our opposition so far can not meet that challenge. They are still in their usual squabbles. In any case, Mahmuday, we have travelled long to narrow our views. It was worthy effort and our views are closer than it had been. It is a dividend of patience and continuous engagement.

            Regards

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, I think you seem to absolve Ethiopia by saying “Therefore, blaming Ethiopia is just scapegoating”. Yes, some part of the blame may be scapegoating but, I think there is some serious interference from the Ethiopian gov. that is complicating the existing mistrust between the various sides, because, obviously, Ethiopia has also an interest to keep, in the aftermath of the PFDJ’s fall. I personally do not believe the most influential power centers of the TPLF want to see a stronger and well-functioning Eritrea. I think they see the strength of Eritrea as their weakness.

          • MS

            Ahalan AbrahamH
            I agree. If we take Ethiopia as a foreign agency, then it becomes clear. It will always look after its interests. It’s up to us to mitigate Ethiopia’s interference. And the best way is forging out a national force that can stand on its feet. Having said that, what’s interesting is that Ethiopia is moving more towards the center(less of wayane influence and gravitating more towards an Ethiopian-like composition). It will all depend on how the present State of Emergency passes. If the current government takes it seriously and move on making bold changes in minimizing TPLF influence, and addressing the grievances of the people at structural level; if it opens the space for a stronger domestic opposition (negotiations are taking place), I think we will see a more matured Ethiopia. In that case, its calculation is going to be of a strategic (long term) one. Once the government liberates itself from ghedli era personalities and (TPLF-EPLF-ELF…feuds), the rest becomes a matter of business and security. If it is about Ethiopia’s access to our ports, well, we need Ethiopia’s business more than Ethiopia needs our ports. If it is about security, we do also need that. Let’s be frank: no sane leaders want to see their neighbors destabilized. The current Tigray administration is operating under the influence of the legacy of armed struggle. The more the Federal Government matures the less Tigray’s influence will be. The border issue will not be concluded by two confrontational parties. It could only be concluded by partners who could do the calculation under a peaceful atmosphere.

          • Olana

            Dear MS

            If you think you can easily play with the rest of Ethiopia with less of Tigreans, you are wrong. Eritrea’s problem is not only with the people Tigray. The problem is within the misguided policies of your PDFJ. The thing is you guys are far from the reality on the ground. I can understand where your hatred towards Tigreans comes from.

            Your comments also appear to be contradictory. You are pleading with the current government to make bold changes and at the same time you believe Ethiopia has Tigray control government.

            It is only you who is in a ghedli era if you still believe there are TPLF-EPLF-ELF feuds because few of them are busy serving and continue sacrificing their life to the country, some of them robbing to enrich themselves, majority abstained from politics and lead their normal life as civil servant and entrepreneurs. No one is in the business of settling old grudges.

            It is unwise of you trying to create hostility between Tigreans and other peoples of Ethiopia by calling the federal government to get rid of Tigreans.

          • MS

            Selam Olana
            Read my comment carefully, please. It’s not a secret that the government is controlled by TPLF, but I also noted that it’s evolving towards reflecting Ethiopia’s diverse power interests. That much about the bulk of your reply. On the last paragraph: you are absolutely wrong. It’s not in my nature to speak in terms of people versus people, not even in Eritrean context. I have said “wayane, TPLF, Tigray administration and Tigra’s influence”. I think most readers understand I’m referring to the political entities and not to the people. When I talk about grievances of the people, I’m not forgetting the fact that Tigray people could also have grievances.

          • Olana

            Dear MS

            “The more the Federal Government matures the less Tigray’s influence will be” Those are the words you wrote in your conclusion. Even though I accept your reply, as veteran tegadalia and from what I read from your comments I assume you know all the shenanigans of the parties then and I expect fairness from you but every time an issue is raised about Weyane’s role vis-à-vis Eritrea, you biasedness is beyond my comprehension because I always expect fairness from people involved and know an issue at hand better than most of us.

          • MS

            Marhaba Olana
            Again I was referring to Tigray’s political influence on the Federal level. I don’t think you miss this point. The other point is that, yes, I’m disappointed to the leaders of both governments for pitting these two peoples against each other after all those terrible years of sacrifices. As far as Wayane role vis-avis Eritrea is concerned, I was disappointed that the late MZ and by extension the TPLF, did not leave up to their agreement to conclude that conflict according to the court ruling. That’s all. As you lamented, I admit I could be biased no matter how much of fairness I would like to show, but that’s something everyone of us need to examine in our individual life.

          • Abi

            Hi Olana
            Are you really expecting Tigry influence on the federal government until Jesus comes back? What are you dreaming here?
            In the near future there will be no “First Among Equals”. In case you need reminder Ethiopians are demanding the Tigry dominated federal government should review its unfair actions.

          • Olana

            Dear Abi
            I have not said anything that Tigray should influence the federal government and all I asked MS is fairness and I am satisfied with his replies. My dream is to see “no first among equals” Ethiopia. You can not remind me about the affairs of my country from far away. Do not try to be more Ethiopian. BTW politics is not for you because you are not honest in all your responds on issues about the past misers of the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Just entertain us by your poems (Jokes)

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Olana, are you commenting from Ethiopia? If so, nice to hear from someone expressing his/her ideas from where the real action is going on, because you naturally, have a firsthand information about the situation. Most of us here are commenting from thousands of miles away from our countries; some of us have never even set foot in the region, Nitricc is case in point, while others have been detatched for many decades from our homelands.

          • Olana

            Dear Abraham
            Yes I live in the heart of the country, Addis Ababa. But being far from Eritrea or Ethiopia will not make one to be irrational as this world of ours is becoming small with internet technology. I do not think Nitricc has family in the region even distant family.

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            You have my vote in case you run to be Ethiopian PM. In the mean time please accept my virtual vote of confidence.

          • Selam Abraham H.,

            If ethiopia is the reason the opposition cannot agree on a common agenda due to interference, the simplest solution would have been to change venue, either to sudan or kenya, or somewhere else, to avoid ethiopian influence and interference. Of course, ethiopia would help only if she thinks that the opposition has a chance to succeed, and of course she has a vested interest, such as a future friendly government in eritrea. No rational person or government would do otherwise.
            Who has the problem and who wants a solution, and who should be in the forefront? Of course, the eritrean opposition. Therefore, the ball lies in the opposition’s court. They should have reached a consensus yesterday, and today we should have been seeing signs of a positive result. Unfortunately, one can say that things are still almost at the very beginning, not due to ethiopia’s fault, which can be avoided as i said above, but mainly due to the absence of trust between the different opposition parties.
            As to the antagonism between tplf and pfdj (or tigray and eritrea), I cannot have an opinion.

          • Amde

            Selam Abraham H,

            You said “I personally do not believe the most influential power centers of the TPLF want to see a stronger and well-functioning Eritrea. I think they see the strength of Eritrea as their weakness.”

            Why do you think so? Perhaps BerheY will correct me, but I thought he also made some comments that could be interpreted that way as well. I am genuinely interested, and I think strong arguments can be made either way. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

            Amde

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amde, you presented me with a very difficult question: but my opinion is mainly based on a strong gut feeling plus some observation of the relationship between the PFDJ and TPLF. In my view whatever good relationship that might have been between these two organizations, never really was of strategic one. The very telling example could be how the border war of 1998-2000 developed to a full-scale war literally overnight, the toxic propaganda that mainly started by the Weyanes and was followed by the PFDJ, and how the war was expanded by the Ethiopian side, mainly under control of the TPLF, towards deep inside Eritrean territory, even with continuous offensives to capture Assab. Also I think some important TPLF leaders have a plan-B, in case their dominant power postion in Ethiopia fades, and in case the Tigrayans will be threatened by the other ethnic majorities of Ethiopia. In that scenario, if they would have to invoke article 39 of the Ethiopian constitution in order to separate, they would also like to incorporate Eritrea with their future Tigray republic. And naturally a united, strong Eritrea doesn’t serve such kind of Tigrayan aspirations; on the contrary, a divided and weaker Eritrea that could be manipulated easily, does serve such interests.

          • Amde

            Selam AbrahamH,

            Interesting. Thank you for the input.

            The Plan B thing has been a staple of Ethiopian politics for 25 years now. These things have a grain of truth but my feeling is that support for it is very low in TPLF and among Tigrayans now. Who knows what would transpire in the future to change it. But in any case, such a plan would require an Eritrea that can be strong enough to absorb a Tigray. The reality is – to put it crudely, the PFDJ Eritrea exists because Ethiopia chooses not to end it, and not because of its own strength. And Ethiopia in effect chooses not to end it because it has currently no good options for the day after.

            If you set aside Ethiopian National Interests and just focus on TPLF/Regional interest, one could prioritize their interest wrt to Eritrea as peace/no war first, political non-interference second, economic relationship third, political partnership fourth, and
            economic integration last. Feel free to move them around. A Plan-B can be assumed to only be successful if is preceded by the previous items along this continuum. Otherwise it will be a very expensive disaster.

            There might be remaining sentiments of bitterness among some TPLF old guard but the younger generation is more focused on making money for themselves and the region. I think they waited what they feel was long enough for an economic strategy that would work better integrated with Eritrea but that never panned out. (History suggests northern Ethiopia and highland Eritra to the Massawa coast have historically been more naturally economically integrated anyway.) Hence the railway and other initiatives to integrate deeper with the south than northward.

            That doesnt explain the accusations of too little intereference/too much interference Ethiopia faces wrt Eritrean opposition. Still, it just shows that resolving Eritrean politics is not seen as an urgent Ethiopian national or Tigray regional priority.

            Amde

          • iSem

            Hi Abraham:
            MZ or someone in TPLF wrote a book called, “Eritrean struggle from where to where…. Qalsi Eretra kabay labey” in it, they said that EPLF never believed in the Tigray liberation and their relationship was “strategic”. This was when they broke up after the 6th offensive and before they made up in 1988. And in the 40th anniversary of TPLF it was reported that when some group of the founders that included MZ went to Sahel for training, they were promised some arms and it never happened, the report called it “kem shitta mai..” and it said EPLF always wanted TPLF to be errand organization of EPLF an that this was one of the issues of conflict among many other but EPLF always trivialized it by saying TPLF wanted us to say SU was our enemy etc. In 1989 in Afaabet I saw a briged 85 “personell” to allow me to visit my cousin in the front lines, which he refused. Then I asked him questions and one of them was why did you make up with TPLF after all the “we have a lot to say but we chose to be silent” and before he answered he asked me”
            kindey kfli eka emo timhar”
            12th
            ok,now do you know how the formulas in physics like Newton’s F=ma were disoveded or do you just apply them
            Newton never said F=ma, it our deriviation
            what?
            Yes, Newton talked about acceleration and we arrieed at F=ma
            I scribbled it for him, since it was fresh in my mind
            Interesting he said, but I disagree. Also,do not consume all the paper.
            anyway, the formula of politics is played at the top and we just apply it but briefly the TPLF wanted us denounce SU as enemy and we refused and we broke up. “iti damma beal wedi Efrem eyom ztsawetwo”
            Then he reached under his desk and he gave my friend and I ice cold water from cloth swaddled “burasho”. The Afaabet heat was cooking us and the water felt colder than the Sudanese hagga barda.
            I noticed his soft hands, he well manicured long fingers and long nails on his left hand. He wore his wrist watch oh his right hand. His hair was curly and it covered his ears.
            He looked up a big archive book and assured me that my cousin is alive but kunetat is bad, she could not come and I could not go, but I could write her a letter. I wrote her a letter and left his office on the on the the other side of scribbles
            When dusk fell, he was strolling the of Afaabet, hand in hand with a beautiful tegadelti girl and I thought “Angelo” already got his natsanet. His life was in stark contrast from the fighters I met a few days ago.
            I returned back to Sudan and my friends who remained behind for a while later told me my cousin came to Hishkib and met them after she receive my letter but it was too late. They told me Angelo heard earful from her.
            She did not make it in 1991, but it is most likely that Angelo made it

          • Abraham H.

            Selam iSem, thanks for the story; I guess you were in meda in 1989 for the youth congress? Yes, there is lots of untold sad stories from our long liberation struggle; sorry that your cousin didn’t make it to ‘free’ Eritrea.

          • Legacy

            Hi iSem,

            Very fascinating account. These anecdotes tend to captivate me.

            Whichever view you hold , you have to appreciate the struggle and sacrifice those who participated in the revolutionary wars. Especially, when their numbers were in the few dozens.

            I am always suspicious of any supposed differences aired by any of them after they fell out of love. It is always the case. Isn’t it? When you are no longer friends every little dirty secret sees a daylight.

          • Legacy

            Hi Abraham H.

            That’s quiet an imagination you got there , brother.:)

            Let me see if I get this right. According to this “Plan B,” TPLF will make sure that Eritrea remains weak and divided as a safety-net for in the unlikely event that things don’t work out as planned with their other brothers and sisters so that they will drop everything and form a unity with Eritrea ? Did I get that right ?

            First, I think there is the tendency to overstate TPLF’s reaches. Some of their policies are by design but most of them I think they make them as they go. So, caution is deservedly advised when discussing their policies, be it good or bad.

            Secondly, for the love of me, I am not sure where this myth originates from.i.e Tigrayans want to form “Super State” with their Eritrean brethren. You don’t find it in any of local literature, history or even oral stories and I am yet to meet anyone who believes otherwise . I am curious. I would like to know how this thing started.

            More importantly, where your “Plan B ” story falls flat is , if we take your words on face value and indeed they are using Eritreans as their safety-net, wouldn’t keeping them weak eventually undermine their objective ?Wouldnt you want the best for your backup plan?That’s like linking a Credit-card to a retirement savings accounts. By the time you retire there will be no money left for you.

            I hope you are not losing sleep over this 🙂

          • Selam Legacy and Dawit,

            If there was any wish to unite the two tigrignya speaking people, and if there was any chance for this project to succeed, it expired in 1991. This was the time when tplf and eplf were so strong that they could do whatever they wanted. Two liberation forces that had been bedfellows for decades, planned and executed their missions together and were more or less infatuated with each other, carving out of ethiopia the state of tigray and uniting the two was a simple task.
            The main factors that did not exist in this equation to give it life were that if indeed they felt soul -brothers and sisters or not, if the project is sustainable economically, whether to dominate or leave free to their choices, the non-tigrigna ethnic groups and the non-christian muslims of eritrea, for this is more or less an ethno-religious union, etc. One can imagine the many problems and their consequences.
            If we try to examine what each party had to gain from this union, for tigray it could be a sea outlet, for eritreans domination is very important, otherwise resource-wise and trade-wise and generally economy-wise, there is no much to speak about, and if they think that together they could be singapore, they have to have the technology, the service capacity and they have to compete with others for market whatever they may have to export. These markets are not ready waiting for them, and the surrounding countries can acquire the type of development they aspire. The economy is the bases for the success of every project, union or cooperation. On the contrary, if the economy is going to become weaker, no one makes such choice or wants to be part of it.
            If the two want to dominate the other ethnic or religious groups in eritrea, it will end up in a disaster, for the union will be unstable and conflicts will undermine the viability of such a state.
            Therefore, this is not the time for more experimentations. Let the people make the best out of what they already have in their hands, the real thing, and the virtual world of tomorrow can wait. The real world we know of, that of yesterday, today and possibly tomorrow, is that this region is the center of ethiopian history and civilization, and it should remain as such. No other formula could serve better the interest of tigray and its people.

          • Legacy

            Hi Horizon,

            I couldn’t agree with you more brother. Indeed , if that was their grand master plan, the time to execute that was in their prime years i.e 1991.

            From Addis to Mequele ? Will they move the AU with them ?:) Just not defensible.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Legacy, so are you telling me you’ve never heard of the so-called manifesto of the republic of greater Tigray? This idea might have been ‘abandoned’ in the 70’s but I think it is always in the calculus of the TPLF. The idea of keeping Eritrea weak is, as I said, in order to impose their wish and to act as movers and shakers of power in Eritrea. Because, they know, very well that a united and strong Eritrea across its various constituents would never allow them to meddle in its affairs. The Weyanes have two choices, either they need to bring a change to the way they have been running Ethiopia by allowing a fair sharing of power with the other ethnics, or keep it as it is and eventually face a strong backlash from the majority ethnics of Ethiopia.
            “I hope you are not losing sleep over this :)”, of course, not. Because, obviously, the terrible situation inside my country Eritrea worries me above everything else. I know that once we fix our internal problems, we are capable of facing all eventual extrernal threats.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abraham H,

            Do not be surprised if you find many Tigreans/Ethiopians, especially those under 45, who never heard of any manifesto. It was a manifesto created and presented by individuals of TPLF hierarchy in the early days. As a rule, TPLF entertained most ideas presented to it in those days. Intriguing ideas would be discussed and presented to rank and file, and depending on the acceptance rate it would become “law.”

            The manifesto you are referring to lacked any acceptance even in the higher echelons and the idea died out in few months. TPLF had a manifesto, Tigray wants to succeed from Ethiopia, Tigray wants to join Eritrea, type claims are frequented mostly by none Tigreans and a few disgruntled ex-TPLFites for political mileage.

            It is and it has always been a strategy of either weakening Ethiopia and/or isolating Tigray by those who wish us ill, but never an idea majority Tigreans entertain. What may be partially feeding that rumor is that when sane Tigreans rightly claim that Eritreans are our brothers and sisters, some people may be erroneously associating that with the “Abay Tigray” concept.

          • Legacy

            Hi Abraham H.

            Yea, I heard it here and on some other flyby excerpts. I admit I am not well versed with Ghdli history , so I am assuming this was something that was talked about in the dessert ?

            But, by whom though ?

            For instance , I remember hearing about the history of Woyentis of the 1940s, for the first time on Radio Woyane , which I didn’t know what to make of it. This, truly baffles me. Like I said, never known anyone talks about it. I haven’t seen any literature to substantiate the claim.

            Like I said, you are giving them way too much underserved credit. Cuz’ to assume that means to to imply that they are that sophisticated . Survival is the name of the game and as such they prioritize potential risk and the moment I think their threat is likely to come more from internal.

            I admit , there was a time when your concerns were true but I don’t believe that’s the case any longer.

          • Dawit

            Hello Abraham,
            According to you, there is this “important TPLF” leaders just sitting and waiting to invoke article 39 and we will join Eritrea? I know you mentioned your what your gut feelings are telling you but please don’t repeat that out loud again. There aren’t any Tigrayans that would ever entertain such union or an important leader that would ever take us away from our beloved country, Ethiopia. The idea came about to demonize the people from your leaders, just as he successfully used Amhara but not once, leadership would even bring it up as a topic. Just like any other group, we might have few extremists that would say silly things but taking Ethiopia out of Tigray? Try that agin, don’t be silly.

          • iSem

            Hi Abraham
            “And naturally a united, strong Eritrea doesn’t serve such kind of Tigrayan aspirations; on the contrary, a divided and weaker Eritrea that could be manipulated easily, does serve such ”
            If as you say Tigray separates, having invested heavily in education, having built its infrastructure, having emerged from the a century of poverty inflicted by HS and dergi and the Ethiopian rules before them,Tigray would be a politically stable and the sea access has been dealt with by addition to allow them to go through Sudan and stable united Eritrea will be good for them, it would be like the relationship of UK, USA, Canada and Australia, since the later countries started as an an extension of the former before they evolved to their current diversified melting pot self, the relationship is that of first cousins who go along well and have some civilized conflicts and rivalries at times. And Massawa would be good additional access if Eri is stable and has good relationship with the new nation of Tigray. Politically Tigray would be much stable because is almost 95% homegeneous,Tigriniya Orthodox, one of the main reasons TPLF was more united and successful that EPLF.
            Weak Eri that is infested with ethnic fighting and terrorist would not be good for the new nation and if some in the higher ups think so, it is bad for them and their future because let face it even if they want to take the highlands with them and some Eri want it, many more will fight it and we would be in far more worse state than before federation: divided nation, in conflict with its past and future and that would be bad for Tigray in the same way it was bad for Ethiopia that HS was so afraid that he jumped the gun to bulldozer his way in the posterity of Eritrea and we all know that ended for him and for the poor people of both countries

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mahmuday,

            I think you got this dilemma figured out nicely. Perhaps either the opposition is not doing enough or Ethiopia is not doing everything it could to help. Neither one makes sense, but having a consensus would be the first step of sorting out who stands where. I hope they do that sooner than later.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            To determine if this egg is unique or a dime a dozen (ahem) all we have to do is answer this question:

            I wonder if an exiled opposition’s claim that its lack of growth is due to inadequate support by the host is unique to Eritrea or fairly common? Is a Mesfin Hagos giving a series of interviews blaming Ethiopia for being behind every Eritrean opposition feud uniquely Eritrean or is it the same rotten egg? (In one interview I heard Mesfin accuse of doing too much and too little. In the same interview. Might have been same answer to one question)

            If only we Eritreans also hosted another country’s opposition. If only such opposition leaders also spoke out and gave their opinion about what they think of the role of the Eritrean government in growing the Ethiopian opposition. Oh if only there were…

            Ok enough. There were and there are so many. To my knowledge Gov of Ethiopia has not been accused (yet) of disappearing, killing Eritrean opposition. Gov of Eritrea has been.

            Here’s an interview with a former Amharic program reporter for Eri-TV talking about Gnbot 7, OLF, ONLF, DemHT, and the role of the Eritrean Gov in stunting their growth and how “these organizations have nothing in common and that’s why they can’t grow.” Sound familiar? Yep: same egg which can never hatch cause it’s far removed from the hen.

            https://youtu.be/chkxOlrQMQM

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            I watched both parts carefully, and it confirms most of my suspicions and a few things I thought were only rumors. I think you should wait from collecting the translation I owe for something really original and/or for Tigrinya to Amharic or English.

            I have been trying to guess all possible scenarios Ethiopia and the Opposition could be blamed for and I keep falling each time back to square one. However, I cannot ignore SGJ’s suspicion about something fishy either.

            As silly as it sounds I even considered whether PFDJ and TPLF/EPRDF are in cahoots to ensure no opposition bares fruit. I am that desperate.

          • saay7

            Hey Fantiness:

            Well, not translation per se, but bullet-style summary so that those who don’t understand Amharic can get the gist as it relates to the state of Ethiopia oppo in Eritrea

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            One of the “confirmation” I referred to earlier was the story of Ethiopian “oppositions” in Eritrea.
            Anyway, what Bereket Abraham confirmed and what I owe you is this:

            1. Ethiopian oppositions in Eritrea are not a united front.

            2. Almost no one of them have that much in common with the others.

            2b. In fact, some of those oppositions are direct opposite of one another (G7 vs. ONLF/OLF for example).

            3. Some of them have almost no troops or followers but only “leaders.”

            4. All the leaders of these “oppositions” live in cozy villas in Asmara.

            5. Some of these “organizations” don’t seem to have any program at all except to be used as pressure valve against Ethiopia.

            6. Ethiopian oppositions in Eritrea are managed by Colonel Fitsum.

            7. The few and earlier independent minded opposition leaders were forced to live Eritrea or were jailed, tortured, and/or disappeared.

            I think that sums it up, but the feeling I was left with was that these oppositions are not really there to bring change in Ethiopia but to run PFDJ’s errands.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            Bingo.

            Now, to make my point, with the exception of Bullet Number 4, you can replace the words Ethiopia and Eritrea and we have mirror images. Also replace Colonel Fitsum (“Lenin”) with the Ethiopian general (Mesfin) and voila presto abra cadabra: mirror image.

            One more bullet you forgot: the reporter says that the Ethiopian oppo in Eritrea is managed by multiple bosses… same in Eritrea.

            The solution: your harbeyna weyanai and MaHmuday harbeyna shaebia resolved very very very very early this fundmanental inflexible truth: there will always be one permanent base we will never ever ever give up. Nakfa in the case of shaebia, dedebit in the case of weyane. The ELF never had that view of Barka (it abandoned it when push came to shove) and that’s one fundamental truth the Eritrean oppo have to deal with: where’s our base? And are we sovereign in this base?

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,
            Sometimes I wonder if two are still in bed together all this confrontation is a show to fool the ERITREAN people.

            I thought I ask you, have you read “Selected Works of Mao” and can you relate to EPLF / Isayas strategy and plans. This Nacfa / dedebut thing caught my attention. And I wonder if they were just copy / paste the play book of the communist party of china.

            I just can’t believe that Isayas at that young age without formal university study is capable of creating what he did.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Hey berhe:

            Every Eritrean of my generation has read the selected works of Mao. So there is nothing special when I tell you yes I have.

            If you go to YouTube, you will find a scratchy old video of EPLF cadre school talking about the necessity of a base for a revolutionary movement. There are a lot of Isaias Afwerki fans who believe he invented that concept (hush, wink wink): what matters is that his front (EPLF) internalized that believed it and acted on it whereas the other front (ELF) which also believed it did not act on it when push came to shove. The indispensability of the. Add would have meant it would have fought to the last man to keep it and it didn’t.

            All that is history. So now, if uncle Mao is right, what’s the base of the Eritrean opposition? If it’s Ethiopia, why do they once in a while pretend that they can always move to Kenya or Frankfurt of Kassel? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.

            saay

        • Tess Redie

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

          You seem to be confortable with the Ethiopian precondition.

          Well, it is very simple: ENCDC should stop being a hosting umbrella of Civic Societies, independent individuals who represent themselves(If these individuals want to be a part, there should be “adherents to the individual” based minimum number precondition), those intellectuals who influenced no one to be their followers in the principle they advocate for, etc. Otherwise ENCDC will be a house of talkers.

          ENCDC is a political organization hence it must stay political.

          Ethiopia: should know that ENCDC’s cause of formation (suffering of Eritreans) is much bigger than creating an alliance with Ethiopia. Compromising the cause with self-interest will only create delay of the end of the suffering not termination of the struggle. And Ethiopia will be counted as country who played their role in the prolongation of this suffering. No matter why, history will record for Ethiopia’s opportunistic and inhumane manipulation of the Eritrean cause for suffering.

          On this occasion, I call you to distance yourself from being OK with the Ethiopian precondition. Prioritise the suffering not the alliance. History is merciless remember this.

          It is very simple: Ask this question for you –

          Which one is greater –

          1. Ending of Eritrean suffering?

          OR

          2. Alliance of Ethio – Eritrea?

          After this, analyse the preconditoon you seem to be ok with. Very simple.

          tes

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Berhe Y

    1. – “How about we sentence the dictator (Isaias) for the so many lives that he has perished……”

    I don’t believe in that kind of justice – labeling and arresting citizens, for alleged crimes and then fish for “facts” to fit your narrative. I hate hypocrisy and I hate hypocrites. I hate people who show selective grief, selective pain and selective outrage. And I hate people who seek selective justice based on their selective outrage and their selective grief.

    In our (Eritrean) history, there were Eritreans who were instrumental in the 1958 massacre in Asmara, there were Eritreans who were instrumental in dissolving the Federal Act that led to – the death of 65,000 young Tegadeltis, half a million refugees in the Sudan, displacement of tens of thousands inside Eritrea, and incalculable property loss. There were tens of thousands Komandis (Commando) who torched, killed, looted, raped…. their own people. There were tens of thousands government bureaucrats under Haileselassie and under the Derg who played instrumental role in the suffering of ordinary Eritreans. There were Eritreans at all government levels who were instrumental in making Ona, Ad-Ibrihim, Um-Hajer, Aqurdet, Wekidba, the streets of Asmara, SheEb and many many more carnage and horror of ordinary Eritreans – possible.

    There were Tegadeltis who declared Tesfia (liquidation) and ordered other Tegadeltis to kill their fellow Tegadeltis to make Barka LaElay, Gereger, Hashenit possible – and don’t forget to add the 1980-1981 bloody civil war that drove ELF out of business. There was Halewa Sewra and there was also Mogoraib – all with their ugly tales. And of course there was May-Habar and there is Era-Ero. There was Ras Gez and there is Meqele connection (as Russian connection).

    Now tell me: What is the difference between the Tesfia civil war declaration that resulted into the bloody battles of Barka LaElay Gerger Hashenit – and the 1980-1981 war declaration against ELF by the joint war of EPLF and TPLF leaders? What is the difference between Halewa Sewra Era-Ero and Mogorayb? Why all the emphasis on the “crimes” committed by EPLF/PFDJ leaders and not the “crimes” committed by ELF leaders? Why all the emphasis on the “crimes” committed by EPLF/PFDJ leaders and not on the crimes that were/are committed by Eritreans who were/are instrumental to successive Addis regimes (Haileselassie, Derg Woyane)? Your demand of justice for Eritrean victims doesn’t add up – does it?

    WHY ALL THE SELECTIVE GRIEF AND WHY ALL THE SELECTIVE OUTRAGE?

    WHY DEMAND SELECTIVE JUSTICE KNOWING FULL WELL, OTHER ERITREANS HAS ALSO COMMITTED SIMILAR CRIMES – CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?

    2. – “You know the gates of hell of Era Ero will open one day……..and they will tell the truth what this guy (Isias) ordered to do…..I hope you lived to see that…..and you come to terms in your own way.”

    I’ve heard conspiracy stories and false prophesies like that all my life – stories of mass-graves of Sirya Addis Tegadeltis, mass-graves of Christians farmers beheaded by Jihadists of Amma, mass-graves of Isaias victims……. But we’ve yet to find one. Trust me ማይ ዘይጣዓመ: ተሰሚዑ ዘይፈልጥ: ሓድሽ ዜና የለን – ቅበጽ::

    3.- “Opposition in Meqele or other places, they did not even kill a fly…”

    Donald Trump and his friends in their Russia connection could’ve said the same thing, because they didn’t kill a single fly in Russia.

    4. – Let me leave you with this thought. It is no secret Isaias Afewerki has aged. And sooner or later the inevitable would happen. When that day comes Eritreans will be tested. The whole world will witness the political maturity of Eritreans – in just seventy two hours after the death of Isaias Afewerki. If Eritreans mourned for three days and went back to work the fourth day, if all Isaias family members and close friends mourned Isaias’s death for a week and walked on the streets of Asmara freely the weeks that follow – then we would proved to ourselves, to our friends, and to the whole wide world we’ve matured as a people and as a nation. If we resorted into settling scores in the name of justice, for sure we will be heading into another bloody cycle of violence.

    And if I was to give advise to the Eritrean leaders who assume power after Isaias Afewerki, my advice would be, starting day one and all the days that follow, make sure you assure in words and indeed, to the Isaias family and friends, to the Eritrean people, and to the whole wide world, it is all peace, and it will remain that way for all the years that would follow. And they should keep that promise until they pass the torch to the next leaders that follow them.

    5. – “I am sure you will be the first to clap if Isayas decides to make peace and visit Mekele.”

    Isaias or no Isaias, I wish to see a day in which Ethiopians (Addis regime) respect the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Eritrea, and I hope to see a day an Eritrean head of state (Isaias or no Isaias) to walk on the streets of Meqele and Addis, and I hope to see a day I clap my hands in joy with the people of Ethiopia.

    Semere Tesfai

    • iSem

      Hi Semere:
      Ya Abdaata ya refiqq: you excelled comrade
      Eritrean would be tested by this: how they follow due process to persecute the criminals and there is no free ride and if they do what they say promise for criminals, what BY and I and others said about the crimes of IA is allegation and we will be tested on how we prove, future Eri how they treat the accused and IA and his group are accused, there is no free promise for IA and co unless you guys save his butt again like you did before on the backs of our people

      • Selamat iSEM,

        It has got to be Today’s date 4/1 aka “April Fools Day.” What else can this out of tune squeaking noise of yours be other than a horrible karaoke performance of “Its a thin ling between love and hate..”

        tSAtSE

        • iSem

          hi Tsaste:
          So are you opposing for IA and his gang to be brought to court of for their crimes:
          Yes or No?

          • Selamat iSEM,

            Could you be kind enough to provide me with the number and identity of your choice that would be the make up of jury of IA’s peers? I will give due consideration to your question? You may as well describe for me “the court” IA and his gang will be brought to in order to face the crimes?

            tSAtSE

          • Abraham H.

            Hi iSem, expecting a straight answer from the twyway libi Tsatse aka Solomon? This guy is somone without any principled stand not very different than ‘Hope’-btw I don’t know where Hope is these days.

          • Selamat Abraham H,

            Kulatna seb Tigray lbina Tuwywayy. Mengedi Tikh tenkhitel deA kabtom Musie meriHuom zwetSu znewiH gzie kolelelel nble alona.

            Metkelawi si nateyy iya.
            Kab ms ini beAl Semere A trae, ms beAl tes msmertSkulka. “Menn mukhanka knegreka, mekaydikha menn mukhanom Habreni. ”

            Manjusayy tesekami shigg Harinet Eritrana, tarrakha iyu iti medrekh. Mengedikha AQneAyo.
            Annes Harra iye zelekhu, guEzoyy ab mengedi Tuwywayy zAkhleni jirro geire dekhime wediayo iye.

            Senef kemm iSEM aytikhunn.

            tSAtSE

          • Abraham H.

            tSAtSE, man, you made me almost feel guilty.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Semere T,

      Anta, Semere hawey, we are not yet complaining about wrongs done during periods of war and chaotic politics. We are complaining about crimes and abuses committed during the era of independence and nationstatehood under the watch of what was supposed to be a national government turned to a ruthless despot’s fiefdom. Itaqi Allah, ya Semere.
      Regards

    • Abi

      Kemey Semere Tesfai
      I Never expected to read this kind of comments from a former tegadalay at all . I’m expecting a former tegadalay to challenge your #1. It is loaded with questions Hawuna Berhe is not in a position to answer.

      • Selamat Abi,

        If this microcosm world of ours was a little like the monopoly board game, and one can build retail business of any kind, in addition to erecting hotels on the squares, with Abi’s veracious appetite alone, as a player I know Petrol Fueling Station would serve the games goal of amassing cash. There is a focused burning into ashes as you indicate with your tireless depot to supply you the fuels for the fire.
        And you respond by saying:
        “No water can turn off this fire” “Yeah burn baby burn let the MotherOOOOPPPS burn.” Of course!

        Well played. So do you foresee a challenger? I suggest you take it as a graduate school course pending your admitted status to the Post graduate dept. of Eritrean Studies.

        Regards,

        tSAtSE

        • Abi

          Hi tSAtSE
          I was hoping you were upto the challenge to debunk Semere T.
          I always read Eritreans hammering Ethiopian regimes for every atrocities committed. Semere T is saying some of the atrocities might have been committed by ELF and others.

          I don’t view your comment as harsh. No Sir. I’m more interested to see the harsh crime committed by elf and others. Just a couple weeks ago I learned elf was snatching one child out of three children of families in the liberated areas.
          For example I want to know if elf was partially or fully responsible for Ona incident?
          BTW, I don’t mind putting gas on the fire to get to the bottom of things. Everything should be exposed and discussed. These include any and all atrocities committed by Eritreans as individuals or as a party in the name of independence.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Semere Tesfai,
      .
      Live and learn, someone said.
      I enrolled at Awate University following a distinguished professor and a brilliant diaspora “spokesman” of Eritrea, SAAY, from another college. It was a long time ago.
      (BTW: How come he is absent for a long stretch at a time. Was he fired without us knowing about it? Is he teaching somewhere else and Why?)
      .
      I hope my memory is correct in my next take.
      .
      A while back after few exchanges, I categorized Semere Tesfai with those sophomoric participants and dismissed most of what he said. It was usually marinated in simplistic Ethiopia Bad and Eritrea Good sauce. Everything is Ethiopia’s fault. It has Nitriccish flavor.
      .
      Therefore,
      I was shocked to read such a thoughtful and level headed statement from Semere Tesfai. Maybe I have the wrong Semere in mind, if I do I apologize in advance.
      .
      What he said above, specially after the passing of IA, how the next leaders move on to lead a stable and united Eritrea trumps all the competing demands. Change is INEVITABLE and sober heads have to win for a better future.
      My hope and wish is that the next leaders will listen to the sentiment expressed by people like Semere Tesfai.
      I prey that those who advocate settling scores in the name of justice, and weed outs are in the minority. Mature leadership is when the next leaders from day one look forward to keep the people united and march forward.
      .
      Mr. K.H

    • Selam Semere T.,

      If there is anything we have learnt from the egyptian spring was that it is a grave mistake to leave power in the hands of the old guards, to leave the old bureaucracy, the old system, and the same people who enabled the previous dictatorial government to rule for so long, to continue to hold office. That was the main reason the arab spring failed in most countries, and egypt became a sisi-dictatorship from a mubarak-dictatorship, with no change for the people.

      It is not an easy matter to erase crimes just like that. People know the killers of their relatives, those who raped their daughters, those who forced their sons and daughters to flee their country and die in the sahara desert, the sinai, and get drowned in the med. sea, etc. Vengeance may not be the right medicine, but as has happened in places like SA, Rwanda, and others, the perpetrators should be made to face their victims and the relatives of their victims, apologize and ask for forgiveness.

      Then, the least they could face is that they should be made to lose their political positions they have acquired under the old regime, and even lose the right to vote in elections for some time. Of course, I am speaking of those who have committed crimes and not the ordinary supporter, or the military (soldiers and officers with no criminal record), who should be accepted as the new support base for the new government.

      Just letting those who have committed crimes roam the streets as if nothing happened, will have two consequences, vengeance by the people and overthrow of the new government by the old guard as has happened in egypt,

      The question remains, can one crime erase another crime? Crime and punishment should have direct and relative relationship. There should be time when a crime is punished, and there is the time when the apologeticl criminal is forgiven.

    • Graviton

      peace new?

      “I hate people who show selective grief, selective pain and selective outrage”, so where is your impartiality when it comes to Ethiopia? Clearly, for you, every horrible thing that happened in Eritrea is cuz of Ethiopia. I call that Hypocritical b.shyt, and by extension, self defeat to what you just wrote.

  • iSem

    Hi BY:
    What thing that I a surprised nowadays is this: my suspicious of some pople in ELF were responsible for conspiring to work with TPLF and EPLF (IA) to destroy ELF, 100,000 strong and national org and since thy are cowards they and hunted and killed ELF fighter from rank file to leaders in the streets of Kassala, so about Semere T afection is very suspect
    The devestation the the fighters went throungh in Sudan going to Meqel because it is safe for them now is healthy , the fact that Ahmed Nasser and S. Harestay suspended their military after independene was healthy and Semere wants to try them

  • said

    Greetings,

    WILL THE WORLD TURN SOCIALIST?
    Although Reganomics, Thatcherism and as of late, currently, Trumpism, pose as champions of the Lasses-Faire Free-market Libertarianism reminiscent of unfettered historic feudal system; overlooking profound transformation of expectations of more educated and better informed general public, the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is rendering the current socio-economic system untenable.

    New genius philosophers in the example of once Karl Max need to anew consider new solutions to the world and humanity along truly more just, liberal and egalitarian system capable of unleashing humans’ creative energies in a more open and non-stifling universe. A formidable challenge beyond any single mortal’s capacities.
    The world is at a crossroad in the midst of the economic and financial chaos created by the greed and excesses of a rampant “Capitalism,” termed in the lexicon of proponents of unfettered, unregulated wild capitalism a la American “Free-Market Economy.”
    With an exploding population hitting the mark of 7.0 billion inhabitants that would add another one billion human souls in less than a decade from now; and with dwindling natural resources; increasingly polluted environment contributing to health sicknesses and epidemics; and, poor inequitable distribution of wealth and economic opportunities, the world is certain to adopt more socialist policies and increasingly move towards more regulated socialized systems to put order and ensure a higher degree of social justice in the aftermath of a chaotic world inherited by the “Free-Market Economy” of a rampant capitalism.
    Adam Smith’s call in his classical book “The wealth of Nations” for Laissez- Faire, the ultimate unfettered, none-regulating of human’s initiative, at the peak of the Industrial revolution, seemed to had its logic during an epoch of unexploited abundance of real economic resources as justification for the unleashing of creative energies through the liberation of entrapped humans’ entrepreneurial initiative to draw the full legitimate benefits to enhance human welfare. For, the world of the late 18th Century of Adam Smith was rife with huge economic possibilities requiring human initiative and creative individual enterprise to transform into realizable utilities. Sparsely populated world rendered even more spacious, from the perspective of a colonialist European perspective, with the discoveries and extension into the new vast continents of the new worlds of the Americas and Australia.
    At the climax of the Renaissance, the liberating of human thought; and at the threshold of the Age of Enlightenment, the attendant unexploited abundance of the world natural resources inviting creative energies and new inventions for their massive and efficient exploitations, the World of Adam Smith, considered the father of Modern Capitalism, needed the Capitalist, the Free

    Market Economy ethos of the Laissez-Faire, the equivalent in our modern days of the unfettered, un-regulated Reganomics and Thatcherism.
    However, the above with the qualifying caveat that our nowadays world is a Congested world of a world population possibly more than 20-folds of what existed at the times of Adam Smith. Besides, two additional factors render Adam Smith’s call for Laissez-Faire in our nowadays world a counterproductive initiative:
    1) The much dwindled natural resources; and,
    2) a Highly polluted environment that renders economic growth to enhance the material standards of living of the Earth’s inhabitants an increasingly taxing endeavor on the sustainability of humans’ general good health and emotional welfare.
    From the narrow optic of the White European stock, the 18th, 19th and the 20th centuries provided a wide open universe of economic possibilities made the more attainable by a colonialist drive that made no weight for the rights of the colonized indigenous populations; and of technological discoveries that altered the methods of production. The examples of the Americas and Australia witnessed flagrant acts of mass ethnic cleansing and the institution of discriminatory laws that privileged the White Europeans with no bounds to economic exploitation and segregationist policies imposed on the indigenous populations and the less privileged lower classes.
    The US post the Second World War moved to a new stage of “Capital Imperialism” centrifuging from domestic exploitation to “International” brand of unfettered Capitalism finding palatable acceptance in the rage of the Cold War and the deterring “Iron Curtain” metaphors. The threatening “Military Industrial Complex” culture protruded American Capitalism to new frontiers and magnified the level of economic exploits with proxy and lackey local regimes and parasitic breeds of collaborating and accommodating local capitalists.
    Then came the age of so-called Reganomics and Thatcherism (the initiative, in the case of the latter, of dismantling the British economic system in what was termed, borrowing Cosmetic metaphor, the “Big Bang”).

    The Age of Reganomics rode the wave of the Libertarian ethos of unfettered, unregulated market place in conformity to the intellectual framework of the theses of Economics Noble Laureates Frederick Hayek and Milton Friedman; the ultimate example of Adam Smith’s concept of Laissez-Faire.
    Interestingly, President Regan’s embarking on the called “Economic Liberalization” was prompted to serving dual purposes:
    1) Political, engaging the Soviet Union in a Weaponry Race that would hasten the demise of the Communist Bloc as a result of the diversion of scarce economic resources from civil to military applications; and,
    2) Purely economic, giving a free reign to unregulated American Capitalism.
    The so-called Monetarist School that figures among its main proponents the Noble Laureate University of Chicago economist Milton Freedman, advocated unrestrained application of monetary policies to spur economic growth and the enhancement of unfettered private and national wealth. Concurrently, the fall of the Soviet Union created a vacuum in the world’s power structure rendering the US – until hitherto the anointed leader of the Free-World – as the world sole superpower in what became known as a Unipolar World.
    In the height of the American arrogance of power, US academicians and intellectuals reflected and gave further impetus to that arrogance of power in minting new themes and intellectual frameworks that on appearance gave credence to America’s sense of superiority and American military adventurism, the ultimate prevalence of the American system of “Free Market Economy” and unfettered, unregulated business and financial environments.
    With examples of Bernard Lewis & Samuel Huntington of Princeton and Harvard Universities, respectively, coining the supremacist, segregationist and narrowly nationalist concepts of “The Inevitable Clash of Civilizations,” and “The Constructive Chaos;” and with Professor Francisco Fukuyama declaring to the world, in his famous precocious coined conclusions “The End of History,” the ultimate triumph and prevalence of the unbridled form of America’s Capitalism as the model for a new world, a new age, a new era; American brand of “Wild Capitalism” encroached on the world systems and

    national sovereignties under the guise of “Globalization,” “Free Trade” and “Privatization.”
    Wall Street joined in the Bonanza that ensued with the dismantling of regulations and responsible economics.
    Wall Street and Finance assumed a separate world of themselves as distinct of the so-called Real Economy of Main Street; and began, thanks to unregulated finance, to churn out financial concepts and financial products that rendered Finance and Wall Street end by themselves. Bringing Wall Street to govern Washington, in the examples of persons such as Robert Reuben, co-chairman of Goldman Sacks; Lawrence Summers, later President of Harvard University; and Henry Paulson, another Goldman Sacks breed; all under the gaze and blessings of the Chairman of the FED, the ultimate regulator of the US Financial system; Alan Greenspan; the money machine went wild under new invented glossy nomers of “Financial Engineering,” “Financial Derivatives,” and, finally, what ultimately brought the economy to the brink of disaster, to the “Subprime debacle.” Complex bundling of debt instruments collateralized to guarantee other forms of exotic debt instruments brought the whole world to the economic misery and the economic chaos that the world has never fully recovered from.
    The greater number of the national economies and the state budgets of the greater number of the world nations are in very deep cold water. Much of the allocations of the State Budgets of many nations around the world now go to servicing mounting national debts and soaring cost of financing. State Budgets of nearly most of the nations of the world, foremost in the so-called developing world, reserve increasingly diminishing allocations for essential services. The gap between the Haves and Have Nots of the world is expanding at an exponential rate.
    All such new realities of a new world bode ill for social peace and are both, untenable and unsustainable.
    Capitalism, Wild & Rampant Capitalism; rather, from the optic of the developing nations of the world, had its day. To check and control the accelerating worsening economic and social conditions for the greater many nations of the world, freely elected representative governments are bound to assume charge of the economy and the safeguarding of the general interests of their nations and their citizens.
    Personally, I am not the least optimistic.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, while you people are talking about nothing there are things just happening. I don’t if you are following what is going in US house and senate; it is really interesting to see the rule of law doing its job at the same time the cover up that is going by the house intelligence chair is amazing. The rule of law forces Even Generals to as for immunity. what is funny is; General Fillyn was the first guy to come up with slogan ” lack-her-up” meaning imprison Hillary Clinton. Not even a year passed, the General is asking for immunity and the word lack-her-up is turned in to Lack-him-up. He is offering his testimony in exchange for his immunity but once he tells it all, I think it will be the end of Trump administration.
    As Flynn said last year, “Nobody asks for immunity if they aren’t guilty of something.” General; you couldn’t have said it better.

    • Abi

      Hi General
      Talk about a toothless General.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Nitricc

      The Trump team has been at the helm for Seventy Days, just seventy days. But it feels like they’ve been in town for seven years. Some people in the know are saying this scandal will make Watergate look like child’s play, but for sure it is one of a kind.

      The sharks are closing-in smelling blood, and cornered from all directions, General Flynn is ready to spill all the beans. The question that comes to mind is: how deep (how many) is the involvement of the folks at the higher echelon and how much stress is this town prepared to withstand.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Nitricc

        Hey Semere: you will think the senate will dive at the deal but what amazed me is, they refused so far to give immunity to General Flynn. Rejecting the deal alone tells the gravity of the issue. I know it is not even 3 months yet, but it feels a term. I mean, if any one of you hate your job, please don’t, just listen to the white house speaker, Sean Spicer going at it with reporters. I mean everyday the poor guy has to defend Trump. I feel very bad Sean, what an ugly job. During Obama, I don’t even remember if it was this kind of briefing. I am it has to but no body cared but now, it is a show down every day. I think the END is here. The Senate going to ask for Trump tax return, he will deny then the end.

        • iSem

          Hi Nitricc
          This is a good example of even if you have a crazy guy a con at the helm, the country is safe, the rule of law will catch up, the different branches of government, and the press is also colloquially the 4th branch, will hammer to get to the bottom, because no one will lock them up

          The message is do not believe in one person, not Nunes, not Trump, or Obama but on the collective wisdom and rule of law.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Semere; what I realized is the power of the system. Take Flynn; Last year at RNC, he was at the stage with full gear screaming Lack-her-up and a few weeks back he was the national security adviser of the united states of America and now he is begging for mercy and immunity? About Nunes, he looks very nerves, if you ask me he is hiding something and it is the matter of time before they get him too. what he did was absolutely telling. That dude is up to something. Now, Nunes had informed the house speaker and Nunes went to WH at the permission of Paul Ryan, so the whole house of republican is fishy. My hope is Africa learns from such system.

          • iSem

            Hi Nitricc: You got that right
            the system is slow,frustrating but self correcting and cleansing and in case of loopholes, self refining:
            tale for example the power of WH to order survilance , but Nixon abused that, it was taken from the WH and given to ncongress

          • Nitricc
          • Dis Donc

            Dear Nit,
            I am at work and want to have a chat with you about this, but only time willing. And of course if you are willing too! Right now I cannot.

          • Nitricc

            Hi D-D; long time! Yes sir; no problem I will to chat anytime you have got the time. peace upon you bro.

          • Berhe Y

            Nitricc,

            It’s not being an African or not.

            In Europe, they had dictator ship in Greece until 1978, in Spain until 1975, in Portugal until 1974.
            In South America, Brazil until 1985, in Argentina 1976, Chile 1990.

            India established democracy right after Independence in 1974, Botswana also in 1966 right after independence.

            So it’s not about Africa or not, and there is no difference between people. It’s about get the lucky star and have leaders who believe in democracy.

            There was no country which was best suited to have a democratic government than Eritrea in 1991. Alas we lost the opportunity…..

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; First of all, I don’t believe the opportunity to make Eritrea the land of just and democracy is lost, it is postponed!! How do you lose something you never had? We never held an election that is rigged. we never had a constitution that is shredded to pieces. We never had any political culture that is tainted. We are free any collective political diseases. Knowing what we know and learning from our past experience, when the day comes to start building our political structure we have no choice but to do it right. so, I disagree with your take. I could have agreed with you if PIA had implemented the constitution and do what all African leaders do. I could have agreed with you if PIA held elections and rigged it to the bones, then you could have said we lost the opportunity. Our future is bright and clean. Believe!!!

          • Berhe Y

            Nitricc,

            To expect democracy while IA is in power is to expect Beqli TeniSa…it will never happen. That’s why I mean we lost the opportunity when he was in power…sure when he is gone, we will have democracy…

            Why does he need to rig the election. Did Botswana leader rigged the election, did S. Africa rigged the election, did Tanzania rigged the election. Did Ghana rigged the election…

            አድጊ ዘይብሉ በዓል በቕሊ ይንዕቕ

            Why you keep saying Africa, Africa…why we at least try to match and achieve to some of the African countries are able to do. Yes some have problems…but

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; I am amazed at your low expectations. my man there is no buts and ifs, Eritrea will not settle for less. I don’t know what you trying to say in Tigrigna but i got the Adgi part and it seems to fits the Adgi mentality part. After you paid that kind of price and sacrificed so much why do you want to settle for Ethiopian style bogus Democracy? I am surprised why you didn’t mention your ideal democratic country on the lists of country you have listed? why? You see how your credibility suffers inside out? You are the one who bombarding us about the Ethiopian progress and the style of democracy but when it counts, you ignored it very conveniently. Listen, if you think Eritrea is going to be like your all listed corrupted country of Africa, my friend, you are in for rude awakening.
            I rather have the real deal than the fake and corrupted things you are cavating for. again why do you omitted Ethiopia on your list of country? I could have provided you every horrible case for the country you are mentioning but i doubt you get it. you watching too much TV.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            And you parents thought you Amharic (toothless language) iwhile you grew up in America.

            I never said Ethiopia is my ideal democratic country, they have started the process and I hope the finish it.

            Yes I wanted ERITREAN democracy as good as Canada. I did not list Canada because you were making an argument about African countries and showed you that the continent has nothing to do. There were democratic African countries like (Botswana) before European countries (like Spain).

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe, my parents did their job. why don’t do your to your kids. you here swaping your stupidity. how about attend to your kids and give them the future every responsible parent does? what a wasted loser you are.

          • Berhe Y

            Nitricc,

            You are pathetic lair. You don’t know what Beqli/Beqlo mean. The lives of Eritrean people nothing as long as your darling DIA help dismantle “Ethiopia”.

            I tend to my kids needs, just as a normal parent does. They know how to play by themselves, I don’t need to babuseat them 24 hrs.

            How about you have kids if your own, you are in your mid thirties by now, or you can’t give up your every summer Ethiopian vacations.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe: okay have it your way but a man is measured by his responsibilities to his kids and here your wasting your time at the expense of your kids. How loser are you? You ought to take care of your kids rather than kissing the Ethiopians behaid, loser.

          • Berhe Y

            Nitricc,

            How do you know I am not taking care of my kids.

            What you are correct about wasting my time responding to you,

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Berhe; because you are here 24/7; that is way. You are irresponsible loser. You just conformed when you said that you kids are playing by themselves. Just get lost man. You are nothing but a troll.

          • Abi

            Hi General Nitricc
            ጥርስ የሌለው አህያ በገጣጣ በቅሎ ይስቃል
            ( just kidding)
            አህያ የሌለው በቅሎ ይንቃል

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras Abi, what is Bqlo though? that is what i didn’t get. lol Brehe seems to be infatuated with dondky. The only reason donkey suffers in the hand of human is because the donkey forgot he has those lethal tooths and i am surprised to hear from Toothless Berhe about toothful donkey. hhahahah

          • Selam Abi.

            This guy is insulting the intelligence of the eritrean people, with a sardonic laugh for that, I should say. What do you think he would feel, if somebody is walking in the desert hungry and thirsty, he sees a small oasis, and some guy tells him not to drink the water or eat the fruits, because they have prepared a feast for him at the emir’s palace, which is beyond the mountains, where the poor person knows he is never going to reach?
            I doubt if these guys really care at all for the eritrean people. What they care about is the land, and with no qualms they are forcing the people to flee the land at an unbelievable rate. The earthly paradise they say they will take the people to, the land of eldorado, the land of milk and honey, and the land of a perfect democracy, is a virtual world that is found only in their deranged minds. They are saying this when the country is emptying before their eyes, because people do not believe them, and they cannot live under the inhuman situation they have created in eritrea. Sitting in the west, eating the best food and drinking the best wine to soothe their taste buds, enjoying western democracy, and even applauding it or criticizing it accordingly, and at the same to get a kick to boost their ego, they preach what is ideal for eritrea, while in eritrea people are finding it difficult to survive under the conditions the regime they support has created. This is nationalism at its best. For sure, I cannot call it patriotism.
            If he belittles equals (africans and especially ethiopians) who have become even better since his dia came to power, and with the help of the pfdj and its supporters put eritrea and its people in a deep freeze, he thinks that eritreans are naive and they would believe the lies. These guys are the n#1 enemies of eritrea. They will destroy her, and what do you expect they would say, we created her and we destroyed her, so what. He is telling the people to have patience, because tomorrow is going to be better, while today everything is being lost.

          • Nitricc

            Hi horizon: who is this guy you addressing to?

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            I think the american system is good but not good enough like the European socialist countries , I mean the system is made to enrich the rich and dump the poor to be slaves for life. The american middle class does not own any but the super rich have it all . Africa ? oww Africans and Arabs , do not even mention us , we are heartless equipped with mindless leaders .

          • Nitricc

            Hey Blink; I agree American system is inhuman in its nature. Always, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Case in point, the health care bill that was up for the vote and didn’t pass, I don’t know how a responsible and wealthy nation can have that kind of bill? Not only 20 million plus people could have been left on the dust but the plan was to benefit the big pharms and their CEO’s. The same thing is cooking; tax reform; so far the indications are, the new tax law will benefit the supper rich. I can go on the social injustice in America but you get my point.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Isem

            “This is a GOOD example of even if you have a crazy guy a con at the helm, the country is safe, the rule of law will catch up, the different branches of government, and the press is also colloquially the 4th branch, will hammer to get to the bottom, because no one will lock them up.”

            I agree! But it would’ve been the BEST example ever, had the Eritrean opposition Trumped to the helm, and the Eritrean people were able to bring them to justice for their Meqele connection.

            How about that!

            Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            Hi Semere
            I agree but before the opposition go to trial for visiting Meqele, we should bring Isiaias Afwerki for treason for going to Gangew and conspirating against the the Eritrean gheldi and aspiration in 1971, Then we can try him for the lives he butchered in Sahel, then for butchering the Mai-Habar disabled, then for disapearing the tegadalti in 1993, then for the disapearing the journalist and then for for Ela -Ero ,then if we have time and proof the opposition for their visit to Meqele, but I wan you thatn the judge, a true judge,not the special court judge will throgh away the case and try IA and his cronised for wasting the lives of the oppostin for the lost time away from their beloved country
            What you say

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi iSem,
            I would add this:

            Isaias and his group were the first to involve TPLF in internal Eritrean conflict. They were the first to go to mekelle after 1991 and monopolize trade and commerce with Ethiopia. Even after the Badme war, Ali Saeed was in Ethiopia. If relations with Ethiopia normalizes, they will sworn Ethiopia like they did in the nineties Why is it haram for anyone else but halal for the pfdj?

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh
            Absolutely!.
            IA and his group invented conspiring with foreign entity against Etritrea from kangew to Meqele

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Saleh Johar,
            You wrote, “Even after the Badme war, Ali Saeed was in Ethiopia.” I personally never heard of such a visit by a very high ranking PFDJ official to Ethiopia at that time. Could you please specify when the visit was conducted, may be provide your sources? Was it right in the aftermath of the conflict, for what purpose, etc? How he was recieved by the Ethiopian side, by whom, etc? I found this information from you very interesting and would like to know more about it.
            Thanks

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abraham,
            It was a short while before he died–it was some sort of AU meeting. The Pencil had an editorial and I will try to find it for you–but today I am out of town, maybe I can get it tonight.

          • Abraham H.

            SGJ, thanks, looking forward to read about that. If it was an AU meeting, could it be he was invited by the AU? Anyway, will be interesting to read about the visit.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abraham,

            I don’t remember if he met with the Ethiopian authorities but it was just an AU function. If it was for some AU or other function then I don’t it makes a difference.

            However the Eritrean delegate in Ethiopia signed the condelences book when PMMZ passed away.

            Berhe

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Berhe, yes, at least with the AU, the Asmara regime has diplomatic contact, I guess it resumed in 2011.
            One news item from the regime’s website from 02 February 2017 reads:
            “Asmara, 02 February 2017- Eritrean delegation headed by Ambassador Araia Desta, Eritrea’s Permanent Representative to the African Union and UN Economic Commission for Africa , has participated in the 28th summit of the AU held from 22 to 31 January in Addis Ababa…”. So it is true, they have contact with the AU, though that seems not to have any impact in their relationship with the Weyane gov.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Abraham

            If I am not mistaken, I don’t think the Ethiopian embassy in Eritrea left, at least they were there during Badime war.

            Berhe

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Berhe, I think you are right; Ethiopia still maintains an embassy in Asmara, though I don’t know whether they are represented by an Ambassador. A google search gives an address:
            Embassy of Ethiopia in Asmara, Eritrea
            Frankling D. Resovelt St.
            Mail to: P.O. Box 5668
            City: AsmaraPhone: (04) 11 63 65
            Fax: (04) 11 61 44

          • iSem

            Hi Abraham, Blink and Sara:
            Abraham, your sharp questioning is good, but the point is the larger PFDJ scheme and implement as Saleh said, “kosher for them and haram” for the rest of us.
            After IA was defeated by MZ, humiliated by TPLF and cornered by his colleagues like Haie D, he was begging MZ, his hug was desperate, MZ was confident and he send letter to MZ where he addessed him as “comrade Melese. So if MZ was willing IA was ready to tell Eritreans TPLF is our friend, as if he did not mock them during the war through his speeches: “they are shopping for planes from a catalog…”
            It was IA and his cronies and his loyal yes men and women who injected conspiracy and treason into the otherwise grass root ghedli and it came to haunt them. So What Semere T is talking about is baloney and he knows it. The opposition did the right thing to go to Ethiopia, no matter if Eritreans understood it or not and they should not even apologize for it, it makes sense, it is safer than the Sudan and the riding the Woyane tanks is also a lie aimed to mislead the people, it is IA who first road on the back of TPLF, who road the Haile Slassie car inside Asmara in early 1970, his badge is still available in the CIA archives and right there and then that the revolution was to sold to the CIA and deviated from its founding goals. So now no one, not Semere T, not Gheteb X should tell the opposition where to go and where not to go
            The true believers who still think IA and his PFDJ have some redeeming qualities have the right to dream but the dream will be a dream, gone when they wake up.
            The people have finally figured PFDJ’s lies and now know going to Ethiopia is in deeded halal 5000 people crossing every month and the refugees caps are swelling and the refuges from there do not speak of harrowing experience in Ethiopia except the challenges of their daily lives, Ethiopia has become safer for Eritrean than their countries, so much so that Eritrean who were deported duet to PFDJ are returning back, giving Ethiopia a second chance instead giving PFDJ and IA unlimited chances

          • Selamat iSEM,

            Gheteb nafiQkayo dikha? And what is to be said of iSEM’s AAgazian creation to deviate from an established by Halal Blood that is Eritrea? Who is worse a blood thirsty double agent iSEM or a PFDJ that is being steered by the increased power of the Eritrean masses?

            I admit that, every now and then, I open the Eri-TV app. Dod you happen to catch Yemane Monkey and The Eritrean Confederation Workers Union? That Gujrati from Gejeret dude wont give up on his beloved EPLF/PFDJ/YPFDJ.

            Your buddy Gheteb has long given up on “Semere Eide.” And you allready know how I feel about CRIMINALS!

            kan izza brEikha nab “iti Qalssina igru ktekle msjemere, wede Amoy ekey gbri IA abalashuilna.” nay tSemamm Hade derfu brEikhas deHann neiru. Ekey kifaAt gbrikha tezyHashkuom iyu zefenfineka zelo. ShiTaratatka kiQalaE gziyou akhilu alo mesleni. Qess ilka deA baElikha hsess. FenTeraEraE ayewatSeAkann iyu.

            tSAtSE

          • sara

            ami saleh,
            please allow me to disagree with you in this, you, me and the majority of eritreans are not happy the weyane/shabia drive against jebha in the 80th and we all think it was wrong and should not have happened. why do we have to support such scheme now if we concluded it was wrong then. i know what you mean in general terms the halal/haram thing but we agreed the shebia/wyane alliance against jebaha was haram, and now why do we have to go for some thing which we see it us haram. can we solve our problem by doing some thing which is haram?

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Saleh
            In 1991 it was not done for the benefit of issias.All was done for the benefit of Eritreans. It seems to me your view is radically implying as if 1991 and 2017 are the same. The fact that there are some people who want to pay their revenge. Defeat is always bad but some times it is better to leave your old complaint behind and look to better way of looking things.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            And the way you look at it is the only correct way, yes? Solution will be possible when everyone stops thinking they are the guardians of other citizens. We have different views and the solution is a representative government that irons out differences to arrive at a common outlook and understanding. Consider that switch and you will understand your view is just another view among many, not superior to any. I have I am making sense to you.

        • sara

          Dear nitric
          Can we say capitalism is the antithesis for/to democracy?

          • Nitricc

            Hey Sara; somewhat; I think it will take a delicate balancing act to make both work. As long as there is a strong sense of accountability and full transparency it will work in harmony. In my opinion accountability is the key for both to work. I think the accountability and the oversight layers is what the US got it working decently.

        • Dawit

          Hi Nitricc,
          Why do you feel bad for Sean Spicer? He is getting paid for it and believes in those crazy conspiracy theory Trump talked about. Aren’t you the same guy defending the indefensible when it comes to Trump of Asmera for free? In the US however, no president can kill those who don’t agree with him, there is this little document called, Constitution, have you heard of it? Your leader on the other hand, he doesn’t even need chanting people saying “lack” or lock her up, he just does it if he woke up on the wrong side or no bun.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Dawit why are you acting like your Government of Ethiopia and your weyane are like they are democratic? Your Weyane are worst than PFDJ. At least PFDJ you what you are getting but with your Weyane; oh no! So, please don’t even go there.

          • Dawit

            Hi Nitricc,
            What does Ethiopia has to do with your people not receiving due process? If you are able to see Trump as crazy in a country that’s not yours, why not point out your crazy and the people suffering from his lifetime rule? Just trying to understand your logic.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Dawit, why do you have to single out Eritrea? I asked you how about your country. Are you trying to tell me there is a rule of law in your country but there is none in Eritrea? isn’t what you saying? first of all you had no reason to bring Eritrea on this. we are talking about the USA. why bring Eritrea on this?

          • Dawit

            Hi Nitricc,
            Well, it’s a work in progress in Ethiopia vs not being worked on at all in Eritrea. Also, not one person went to jail without a due process and can tell you all who were sent to prison there whereabouts. Not to mention, reporters offering constructive criticism left and right. Can you say the same? My point, don’t be a hypocrite.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Dawit, my point is stay in the course. we are talking about the USA and you are jumped all the way to Eritrea.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Semere T., are you the one who authored the article about the book review about ELF and other various articles in this website by the name Semere T. Habtemariam? Just wanted to know, thanks.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Abraham H.

          “Are you the one who authored the article about the book review about ELF and other various articles in this website by the name Semere T. Habtemariam?”

          No, I’m not. There are three Semeres here at Awate – I guess there is no Semere left in Eritrea.

          1. Young Semere Andom – The trouble maker – who if fluent in Tigrigna, Tigre, Arabic and some more that I don’t know.

          2. Young Semere T. Habtemariam – Who I believe is active in Eritrean politics – an author of a book about the Tewahdo faith – a columnist at Awate (perspective) – very good on book reviews – fluent in Tigrigna, Arabic, Tigre, English and some more that I don’t know. Oh very very very funny as well.

          3. Old Aboy Semere Tesfai – A good father and husband, a former Cheguar Danga at ELF, a current member of the silent majority (sorry GitSAtSE :-).

          So Abraham: If you’re a young father of a handsome boy, and you’re planning to name your son Semere – please, please, please don’t name him Semere Andom. That will ruin his reputation forever. Please name him Semere Abraham H. T. Habtemariam. Oh God – this poor boy is not going to spell his name right until fourth grade!

          Semere Tesfai

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Semere .T
            The last sentence on semere Andome from Canada ,is epic. The guy thinks the world revolve around his head while cheering Hayat and other Eshi goytaye . I would like to point some criticism to your beloved issias , please do .

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere T., thanks for making it clear for me, in a more entertaining way, more than what I expected:) I guess Semere Andom is also fluent in French, probably he has lived in Quebec?
            I’m sure you’re joking that about Semere A; as the guy is a ‘dangerously’ gifted writer.

          • iSem

            Hi Semere T:
            If it was not for your humor, I would have corrected you on the above. I got the wisdom of letting something for the sake of humor from my friend and cousin Sal, who in turn gleaned that wisdom from the ancient adage of: “let the rat go for the sake of the clay oven”;-)

          • saay7

            Sem:

            Apropos 🔼, I will let a mouse pass but not a rat.

            But seriously, now that we all respect animal rights, the mouse has more rights than the clay oven so we are not going after her. It looks like the mouse lives to pilfer for another day.

            And how come nobody told me Semere T said something funny? I must have missed it because it’s not capitalized 😂

            saay

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Semere T.,

        You seem to be disconnected from reality on this one. Truth is not measured by which group makes the loudest noise.

        Relax, it will be revealed that it is crooked Hillary and her serial molester husband that have deep connections with Russia, [example: the Uranium One company deal with Russia, and donations flowing to the Clinton foundation]. Top that up with with the unveiling of Barry Obozo’s tapping of Trump and his campaign team.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Simon Kaleab

          “You seem to be disconnected from reality on this one (Trump Russia connection). Truth is not measured by which group makes the loudest noise.”

          Simon: you’re right on the mark on that. To be honest with you – I was just running my mouth on something that is beyond my pay grade (Minewale), and something that I know nothing.

          If you’ve something to say, please tell it to the sixteen separate US intelligence community. They’re the ones who know who did what.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            I don’t have to tell any agency anything, because they already know. I am just correcting you, because you did not seem to know. Be patient and relax.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Simon: are you hinting there is nothing concerning wit Trump administration? I do believe Trump is going down sooner than i thought. He is trying to run the country as he runs his business. Trust me he is spent. Just wait till Flynn testifies.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Nitricc,

            Who is rattled by Flynn’s possible testimony? The entire rotten Democrat party establishment.

            Let alone a seasoned business man Trump, even the pot smoking, street corner protester, Barry Obozo, who never had a proper job in his life [never has done an honest day’s work], was president for 8 messed up years.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Simon; i had predicted Trump to win and i had some hopes he will ” drain the swamp” especially getting rid of the interest group who are destroying America. but Trump biggest mistake is wagging war with media. Trust me, i am not a big fan of media but he took it to far and they will destroy him. I guarantee you Trump has something to do with Russia; that is the main reason he is not displaying his tax return.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Nitricc,

            The Democrats loved Russia, the Clinton cash Mafia also have strong connection [Uranium One company].

            In the old days, a thief snatches a bag in a market place, and while escaping shouts: thief, thief, thief, … Now, the Dems are shouting: Russia, Russia, Russia, …

            Let it all be revealed!

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, The picture above the article says it all. What a descriptive and telling picture. I see three strong men beating up a little Eritrea mercilessly. how true, one representing the USA, the other representing Ethiopia and the last one representing the UN. You got it! amazingly, Eritrea is well and alive despite the absolute assault.

    • tes

      Selam Nitricc,

      You are lying. This is a white lie. Don’t be a liar. Look to the picture. it is very clear. Eritrea is represented as a battle ground of three forces: Saudi Arabi and UAE on the other hand, and Ethiopia from the south. Don’t lie ok. I am getting bored of your lies.

      tes

      • iSem

        Hi Tes:
        No, this is not a white lie, a “white”lie in English is harmless, “tsaeda hassot” in Tig dangerous lie

      • Nitricc

        Hi Tes, it must me somebody talking but how am I lying? I sow an abstract illustration and I translate it to what is fitting my believes. You are more erratic and unhinge that I thought. go see a shrink or put down the bottle.

        • tes

          Selam Nitricc,

          The way I responded is how you respond all time. In case you don’t know what you do here at awate.

          Take a lesson.

          tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi tes: the problem is the likes you, Semere Andom, Berhe is that you think you guys think that you are the smartest and the most educates bunch but I can tell you you are fooling no no one. If you weren’t for your elite status, you will be still in sawa. Don’t bite the hand that fed you and inabled you. Eritrea 🇪🇷 with you or with out you will get to the promised land. Trust me when I say that. And please stop bing hypocrite and come out clean and declare your allegiance to the Agazian projects.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Nitricc,
      I was wondering who the “three strong men beating up a little Eritrea mercilessly” are. It seems you had it all figured out when you made the image. Thank you for explaining your artistic message 🙂

      • Nitricc

        HI SJ, I figure, if the three men were fighting each other to get Eritrea then I would have said, okay there is a battle among different oppositions to get Eritrea but when they beat out Eritrea, there is no other imagination. lol

  • Mez

    Greetings Everyone,
    An applied science called Linear Equation Solution is at the center of virtually every economic growth and engineering success of the modern society; this without belittling all other branches of sciences. In its core what it do is: For any number of unknowns, there are EQUALLY VALID “number of variables MINUS one solutions”; in simple words, if you have 10 important factors to analyze, you will have nine equally valid alternative solutions. You take one of the calculation results, you are ok for your problem at hand.

    Just to add some thoughts let me approach the current political landscape of Eritrea and try to quantitatively present that way.

    The approach could be from the financial flow perspective, or from the prevailing political players perspective. This can be done from any quantitative premiss actually. Seen from the political activities, there is the government of Eritrea/pfdj and the opposition with eritrean oppositions and civic societies. Let us say there are 20 such active Oppositions.
    Every opposition did have some unique character based on what it is standing for. 1) some are local (like Kunama,…) which are focused for their immediate survival–even at times opposing other national parties and political trend lines–because they feel to be marginalized, always, to a certain degree. 2) There are political lines based on ideological lines (more like social democrats, conservatives…which are based on contemporary socioeconomic dynamics and who use science as their principal tool). 3) There are also political currents which believe the solution, to most political ills, lie in the strict adherence of religious doctrines to be followed in the society. (For those who are afraid of religious discordance, please do not be so at first glance; look CDU, read Christlich Demokratische Union –the currently governing party of Germany–& CSU read Christlich Sozialistische Union–of Bavaria,Germany– in Germany).
    4) For this discussion let us assume that the external factor to be negligible (balance itself out, hence irrelevance for the Eritrean internal politics dynamics). 5) We also have to assume that Eritrean all over the world do have equal political participation opportunity and will to actively engage.

    Looking at the declarations and political affiliations, the existing, say 20, political organizations can be aggregated into five (for all practical purposes, there is a dynamic alliance, coalition, …so boiling down to five political variables is not unrealistic). This means, we do have five important players in the Eritrean Opposition camp. If we agree with the above flow of ideas, we are going to have FOUR EQUALLY VALID SOLUTIONS.
    My argument from the above presentation is: the current opposition parties tend to cluster around less than three or four umbrella solutions. These are good solutions even now on the floor; we tend to not see them as such. That is the biggest MISTAKE, which is being done. Peoples think only their solution is “the one and the only one”. but certainly there are always equally valid, more than one, good solutions to this question.

    CONCLUSION:

    The reality on the ground is static, changing very slowly. One only needs to come to the BASIC COMMON SENSE, & pay attention and respect/ value EACH OTHER and do what to do.
    Thanks

    October 8, 2016

    Meeting on TN national acb activities. Agenda from Mez:

    Business card distribution, Increasing hotell calls
    Dispatching radio, digital on android phones, for call dis

  • Abi

    Hi All
    What I found interesting is one of the opposition leaders is complaining that Ethiopia is not doing enough to support financially. He also compared the support the opposition is receiving to that of the Ethiopian opposition gets from Eritrea.
    I suggest his opposition party will be better served by relocating to Eritrea.
    As an observer said, ” Eritrean opposition go to Ethiopia to die”.
    Is it not much easier to Ethiopia to negotiate and make peace with Eritrea than babysitting these opposition parties???

    • tes

      Selam Abi,

      This comment was written originally as a part of exchange with Haile S. After reading your comment, I thought it is more relevant to re-post it here.

      Selam Haile S.,

      In the beginning of the history of the book of failures I do believe that it is not Ethiopia’s fault but ours. Once teh book of failures is open, Ethiopia is not playing any role or is not interested to solve it.

      Look to the political organization of ENCDC composed of five incompatible stakeholders as given below. The first chapter of failure is in the composition, a composition that is incompatible.

      a) from eleven organizations of EDA members
      b) from civic societies
      c) from representatives of the public from different regions of the world who support the process
      d) from individual intellectuals who where selected by the commission to participate the congress.
      e) from none EDA political organizations.

      No matter how succesful it might come in the meetings, in the upcoming discourses there will be a never imagined damage.

      – Political Organizations will continue their usual game of fierce competition – not necessarily objective.

      – Civic Societies will find it boring and old fasioned to adhere into a political program and less/no appetite to be part of the power competition

      – Independent Individuals will feel sidelines and powerless, often ignored. And they start to criticize openly, to the public. The public, who was unrepresented or no idea who this individual is, will start to pay attention for this strange criticism. Often such individual criticism gets wider public attention and as a result the target party is damaged, sometimes unrepairable.

      – Intellectuals use their academic advantage to hit back as if it does not belong to them – Intellectuals Syndrome.

      – And weaker political organizations use the wider opportunity to stirr-up the political atmosphere to get public attention.

      All these results a damage that can not be solved by the supporting country/party, often very complicated to enter into.

      It is this kind of complexity that is now blamed for its failure or lack of interest in the Eritrean Opposition Political Development process.

      If we change our system, I think Ethiopia can support us effectively. What is hapening so far, I can not blame Ethiopia. I blame our own way of organizing for the cause we are fighting for.

      tes

      • Haile S.

        Hi tes,
        I always tried to avoid throwing a stone at our opposition organizations, but the frustration got over me. Please continue giving your quickly gathered and rationalized feedback on debates; I admire you. In addition, you are in the perfect ‘milieu interieur’, France, to analyse the influence of civil or other orgs on poletical parties.
        Best

      • Abi

        Hi Tes
        Thanks. I just can’t believe the same Eritreans won a 30 year war.
        This opposition parties ,I call them እድሮች because they come together only to write obituaries , are better off moving out of the former colonizer.
        They don’t trust each other and no Ethiopian trust them.
        It is better for the Ethiopian government to deal with Eritrea. They are useless.

    • Selam Abi,

      What I fail to understand is if those opposition groups stationed in ethiopia (addis), except the afar group (from what I have read), have a military branch and if they have ever carried out a military incursion into eritrea, just to show their presence, unless of course they are for a peaceful struggle. In my opinion, their offices should have been in meqele and not in addis, near the border and the refugee camps, so that they could mobilize and organize an anti-pfdj force. I think that ethiopian opposition groups are stationed near the ethiopian border, and they try to undermine the ethiopian government by causing problems from time to time. Therefore, if eritrean opposition groups demand money to carry out their resistance from a furnished office in addis, then it is right that the ethiopian government is not wasting money.
      About fifteen years in the making, and not yet near any sort of agreement, should not make ethiopia responsible for the failure. They seem to agree on the nature of the problem, but not on how to tackle it, or the type of the government they want to have in eritrea. Ethiopia is suffering the collateral damages of power struggle and vested interests every group seems to have.

      • Abi

        Hi Horizon
        They should stay in Addis because its proximity to Sodore, Langano, Awassa,…
        They are having fun. They have been struggling all their lives.
        Give them a break.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Horizon,

        I think they have tried to recruit people but I don’t think they have much lack. You see those Eritreans stationed in Ethiopia refugees are victims of the Eritrean national service. They have tested what life will look like under the “freedom fighters” turned oppressors. So they know first hand, they do not have faith in anyone who claim to be “freedom fighter” promising democracy and justice…they know what justice awaits them…

        The main reason the PFDJ keeps the Sawa program, even though it causes so much damage to the country and the people, is that it grantees that there will be NO young person willing to fight and die against the regime. It makes sure that all those who want better life, their only hope is to leave the country and never to return back (or return with US dollars) but not become a threat to the regime. I am convinced of that…

        That’s why I think the military option to remove the regime is futile attempt and the best hope we have is peaceful resistance so the whole structure (government establishment) will turn against the regime and help it collapse from within.

        For that to happen, the opposition stationed in Ethiopia is important because the struggle is over is primary based on propaganda and information (radio, social media, television etc..) I am sure the PFDJ media operation have something to do with the demonstrations in Ethiopia (it helped fuel) it…Radio free Europe kind of deal…

        But as far as the Eritrean opposition goes, I think they need to come to terms that forming political organization is really pre-mature at this point because they will look after their parties interest first before that the country.

        What we need is people who are committed removing the regime and willing to organize political transition to peaceful democratic constitutional government.

        This should be the only requirement to join the group and work towards achieving it.

        Berhe

        • Abi

          Hi Berhe
          You said people in the refugee camps don’t trust ” the former freedom fighters turned opposition members “.
          Do you think Ethiopians trust former enemies turned opposition?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            People with your type of head/thinking are probably the reason why things got messed up. I highly recommend Dale Carnegie for you. You will appreciate looking things from other people’s perspective.

            What ever Ethiopia does is first and foremost for it’s own selfish self. You have to understand this and all Eritreans should understand this. There is not charity…it will get it back 10 folds…that’s what I was trying to relay the other day….

            There is also a saying “There is no permanent enemies but permanent interests”. So if helping those opposition group will benefit Ethiopia in the long run, why not.

            Ethiopia did it with Somalia, and I think it’s making big progress..why not.

            Just to clarify what I meant for Eritrean youth is, they will not trust any opposition leaders who will ask them to fight and promise something else.

            The government of Ethiopia is not in the same position as vulnerable refugees.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            Today’s moderator must be one of the opposition leaders that complain about funding. Deleting comments doesn’t make the useless oppositions any stronger or trust worthy.
            Again, it is in the best interest of Ethiopia to deal directly to the Eritrean government.
            People like me tell you what they think while looking straight at your face. People like you go around the world and say nothing.
            Again, all these current opposition leaders are former enemies of Ethiopia. Why do we trust them?
            They are useless and the Ethiopian government shouldn’t spend a dime on them. It makes a lot more sense to deal with IA than babysitting all these fragmented parties.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi; you don’t know what you talking about? what do you know about Eritrea and Ethiopia? You better read the ” I highly recommend Dale Carnegie” this person knows more about the issue between Ethiopia and Eritrea than you ever do. lol hhahahah How do you free a happy slave?

        • Dear Berhe Y.,

          You are saying that eritrean refugees do not trust anymore any liberators, nobody is ready to sacrifice himself, peaceful resistance is the only option by using propaganda and information from places like ethiopia, forming political organization is premature, and people who are committed in removing the regime should play the pivotal role.
          The problem is that without a platform for peaceful resistance within eritrea, and a political organization that could organize and carry out peaceful opposition, the movement cannot take off to achieve its goal.
          Moreover, one can be sure of a political transition to peaceful democratic constitutional government only after the regime has been removed from power. Earlier knowledge of a person’s predisposition for power is impossible, and an organized political party (not parties, unless it is a coalition of parties) seems necessary.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            The condition for peaceful resistance do not exist in any dictator ship, otherwise it’s not a dictatorship. Such condition is created by the people one they decided to do it. It’s ripple effect, when people defy the authorities…..

            The priests and shiek call on people to come out an demonstrate..the police / army stop shooting..and arresting people…the public servants stop serving, the teachers motivate the students to demonstrate..it’s ripple effect….

            Basically there needs to be a document / guidelines developed “how to over throw the Eritrean government” and it needs to be smuggled, shared and make it available in every home and every young person in all languages….

            Why do you think think the majority republican congress failed to pass Trumpcare, after 7 years of opposition?

            I think the manifesto developed by three young Obama staffers called “INDIVISIBLE” has something to do with it.

            Berhe

      • Legacy

        Hi Horizon,

        I sympathize with any of the groups for not wanting to pick up arms:

        War is brutal!

        Especially, if you just came out of 30 years of wars. I have never held a gun in mylife let alone shoot and can’t even imagine the toll of combat.

        The other thing to take into consideration is that guerrilla warfare tactics rather have become an outmoded means of bringing change in the 21st century. So, any efforts will have been in vain.

        Having said that, while I share the insurmountable challenge that confronts these group in order to advance changes, there are two points that I feel the authors overlooked.

        A: 2015-2016 have been truly challenging years ( understatement) for the survival of EPRDF. I personally thought the country would plunge into turmoil and judging from the recent extension of the security blanket, they are not yet out of the woods. So, one would understand if the interest of these groups was pushed to the margins.

        B: If there is no consensus in Nairobi, Sena or in Hawassa, the issue of location or who is sponsoring might be secondary to the challenges of building consensus across-board.

        • Hi Legacy,

          Indeed, nobody really wants wars and killings. The problem is that there is a totalitarian regime that has destroyed and continues to destroy the nation of eritrea, gives no space for the rule of law, and opposition parties cannot function within eritrea under a constitution that protects their rights, etc. How do you get rid of such a regime, when it says that it is going to rule for ever with an iron fist?

          • Legacy

            Hi Horizon,

            Unfortunately, it is a paralysis with no end in sight.

            I know this might come across as being shortsighted but in my personal opinion, IA’s regime is here to stay at least for the foreseeable future which means that all efforts to form an alternative government to the regime would have to be geared for the afterlife- so to speak.

            The Opposition needs to really scale-down its objective to just creating a forum where everyone can ‘talk’. No goals. No objectives. Just talk. As this opinion highlights, the “lack of trust” amongst the various parties is monumental.

            What I am trying to say is , is there a way to scale up this website’s interaction to a larger medium/venue/audience.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            The problem is those Eritrean solidiers (majority of them) are also in the same boat (forced) by the regime.

            There is no clear enemy to target so that makes quite difficult and painful task.

            In other words, this is civil war, even worst because the government side is forced and not willing to be on that side.

            It can only complicate things where the future will be worse than what currently is (the government ) can turn it into religious, regional, war to fuel it.

            I think exploring all other options needs to be explored before any such venture takes place.

            Berhe

          • Dear Berhe. Y.,

            Peaceful struggle is the best thing. Unfortunately, here is a regime that is completely deaf to people’s voices and blind to its destructive actions. The ethiopian government, i suppose, hears with one ear and see with one eye. It seems not really bad, but still unsatisfactory.
            The problems (mainly economic stagnation and human exodus) are going to remain as they are, if Eritrea can not fight her nemesis and she can not live with it. Her people are left with two choices, either survive within the status quo, or run away from it. It is difficult to know the end of such a story. It looks like that dia/pfdj have succeeded in bringing the people between a rock and a hard place, and they are forced to wait for the benevolence of a dictator, who has shown none up to now.
            As Legacy has said, it may be necessary for the opposition to revise and accommodate its struggle to the new situation.
            As much as ethiopia is concerned she will continue to react only when the problem (dia /pfdj) spills over her border, and not before, for an eritrean problem should be solved by eritreans themselves. There appears to be no much development over the last decade or so.

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            How can we multiply your views? I am seriously asking because very few people see that open dangerous road either in purpose or carelessly moving to it .Some people in this forum has been saying for ages let the blood run wild on the ground. I checked their where about and most of them are not ready to send their kids or go by themselves to give a try .

      • Peace!

        Selam Horizon,

        Let’s be honest here do you think the Ethiopian government is interested on independent and stable Eritrea, if you think so, needless to say, you are naive.

        I totally understand Ethiopia, too, is a stakeholder given any change whether bad or good will have a significant impact thus she has every right to make sure its interest nit harmed; however the pressing question here is that to what extent the Ethiopian government involvement on the matter of opposition groups is considered acceptable??

        What we have witnessed so far is a complete take over, or at least it has not been a reliable partner. Sadly enough, the TPLF elites are regretting for playing too smart because the little leverage left now is not even enough to arm somalis and pacify the ongoing Oromo uprising.

        Peace!

        • kazanchis

          Hello Peace,

          Ethiopia doesn’t want a chaotic Eritrea, a peaceful Eritrea would serve Ethiopian interest more than the weakest one. Even if Eritrea is strong it doesn’t mean it will be able to bully Ethiopia. Ethiopia has nothing to worry about in that front. We all could grow and benefited from our neighbors and that has been the case with Kenya, Sudan, Djibouti. So why not with Eritrea?

          • Peace!

            Selam Kazanchis,
            Thank you that’s very logical, I wish you forwarded that question to the Ethiopian government.
            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Peace and Awatista,
            I want to walk you through some exchanges b/n Peace and Kasanchis. And the particular focus here is Peace, not in a bad way but in a learning way.
            Here below…
            Peace [to horizon]: “do you think the Ethiopian government is interested on independent and stable Eritrea, if you think so, needless to say, you are naïve.”
            (That shows peace does believe Ethiopia doesn’t want see independent Eritrea or stable Eritrea. If someone claims so, the burden is on him or her to explain it logically and with concrete examples. Peace is always interested in throwing big claims carelessly without bothering to back them up. And then he is forced to face questions such as this.)
            Kasanchis: “Ethiopia doesn’t want a chaotic Eritrea, a peaceful Eritrea would serve Ethiopian interest more than the weakest one.”
            (Kasanchis tried to explain why thought that Ethiopia is better served by stable Eritrea mentioning examples from how Ethiopia is benefiting from stable Kenya, Djibouti and Sudan. And stable Eritrea can only be like Djibouti and Kenya. Chaotic Eritrea can only be like that of Somalia. And he pushed back the question to Peace: why would Ethiopia want a weak Eritrea against its own interest? So, Peace comes back and makes it interesting. Look his response)
            Peace: “Thank you that’s very logical, I wish you forwarded that question to the Ethiopian government.”

            What! It is not the Ethiopian gvt who claimed so. It is you, Peace. Either, you have to show us a declared position or the pattern of actions to buck your claim. The Ethiopia gvt always assures that it wants a stable and peaceful Eritrea. And then if there is cooperation, it will be an icing on the cake. But official statements are one thing, actions are another. So we know what the official statement from the Ethiopian side is. What you need to do is to build up pattern of action that contradict its declared position of the Ethiopian side.
            Actions of the Ethiopian gvt are in agreement with what it does. You are stating to the contrary. Your kind of reasoning is called petitio principii. It is like circular reasoning. You put the conclusive claim first and then you beg for the appropriate question. If you assume as evidence for your argument the very conclusion you are attempting to prove, you are engaging in the fallacy of begging the question. You are nurturing a fallacy of sorts when the claim you threw is initially loaded with the same conclusion that you yet to prove.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            It is not surprising to see you using your usual and famous diversion tactic. You could simply answer the question and rest your case. እንታይ ኣምጽኦ እዚ ኹሉ ሽንኮለል.

            It is very simple and straight forward; I blamed the Ethiopian government for not being a reliable partner, and you response was unequivocally support of Ethiopian government without any explanation, then I asked you a simple question: do you think it is the opposition groups fault before you disappeared and came back 24h later only to change the subject- horizon said, peace said, kazanchis said….

            ኣቦታትና ክምሰሉ ከለው እንታይ ይብሉ መስለኪ “ክንዲ ቡጹሕ ውላድካ ኣይትምሓል” I have no problem with your no matter what ኢትዮጽያ is right attitude, but certainly not by victimizing others. Now are you going to come out of that endless ሽንኮለል and answer the question. It is very simple: since you sound 100% sure it is not Ethiopian fault, well then it must be the other side fault, would you care to explain that?

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            There has never been any question that I wanted to evade here in this forum. So don’t make it look like i was dodging your questions. Now what is your question: Was it the fault of the opposition? I am assuming that you mean “for the weak situation the opposition finds itself”.
            You said my question was simple. But the answer to your question is simpler. Yes, the opposition forces are primarily responsible for the failure. Isn’t that obvious though.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            Nah Nah Nah … Of course when it comes to Ethiopia, the other side is always the primary responsible I already knew that. The point here is rather I was asking you how did you come up to that conclusion which apparently led you to blaming your side, the opposition groups against PFDJ, and advocate for the weyane government?

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            There is a saying in tigrigna which goes “adi’u zei’moteto ybeki ni adi’u zemeteto kebiki”. The weyane or whatever you wanted to call them kicked you out of their country by mistake (they didn’t know that you were from Adwa, Tigray). That is actually not Eritrea’s problem. You need to cool down by taking a deep breath and get over with this already. Too much hate is just eating you alive. If you hate the weyanes/tplfs, join the Tigrean opposition groups. Showing your anger with them day in and day out here is not going to make your problem go away:)

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            “they didn’t know that you were from Adwa, Tigray. That is actually not Eritrea’s problem.” why do you think tha’s a problem? Aren’t most PFDJ officials are from Tigray themselves? If I, per your claim, am from Adwa Tigray which by the way I do not mind, then why would I hate TPLF? Dud, the identity crisis you are going through is not helping you focus on your daily life.
            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Read over what I wrote above again. I did not say the adwa people are inferior. I just said you looked very angry at the weyane/tplf and I personally think that anger is coming from you being deported by mistake. I am advising you to direct your anger towards your leaders, the current Ethiopian government. As Eritreans, we can barely understand your case. We have problems of our own and we are here to discuss just that. I can only advice to use the medium the ethiopain government has opened for the opposing party within their country. HINT: use the ground that is created on the reconciliation/talk with all Ethiopian opposition groups and resolve your issues there. I don’t have an identity crises because I am not the one who is addicted talking about Ethiopia here, you are. Ethiopia is not Eritrea, period!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            Have you stopped thinking altogether? Or you think everything is spinnable? How can I blame the opposition against PFDJ? Are you of your mind?
            You said this: “The point here is rather I was asking you how did you come up to that conclusion which apparently led you to blaming your side, the opposition groups against PFDJ”.
            No, Peace, I blaming the opposition for not doing enough to strengthen itself and stand potent against PFDJ. Totally the opposite of what you are saying I said. The reason why I can’t equally throw responsibility on Woyane is because the essence of strength comes from within and self. Any help you may ask from outside friends is supplementary in nature. I don’t blame the Woyane’s regarding the Eritrean struggle for justice. But I wish (that is not a blame but a request) I wish they heed my request for a narrowly defined surgical military intervention enough to tip the security balance favoring the opposition. It is not new, it is an old idea still sitting on my table but no one seems ready to buy or consider it. No one from our side, no one from the other side. Even Abi was so furious at the time I floated the idea.
            I only have a historical blame on Woyane in the past. They were looking the other way when PFDJ?EPLF was hunting ELF and DEMHE veterans inside Ethiopia. Zekarias was a close friend of AG. AG seems never to forgive EPRDF for letting EPLF/PFDJ killed Zekaria in the streets of Kombolcha. They Kidnapped many people from Addis. They kidnapped Gebrebirhan from Humera. Otherwise, how can we blame Woyane for political weaknesses of the opposition?

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            It is not about my way of thinking rather it is you keep failing to substantiate your claim that “the opposition groups are the primary responsible” to the reason why both the groups and the weyane government have failed to make progress; instead, your explanation is the opposition is too WEAK ( MISTRUST in Amanuel Hidrat’s case ) therefore it should bare responsibility what so ever, and your suggestion of surgical military operation farther indicates the groups are crippled for good. in other words we have no hope unless the weyane government solve our own problem. I think Abi is right.

            The thing is I just finished listening to Mesfin Hagos interview and I found his criticism of Ethiopia is very compelling, at least till someone comes and make a compelling rebuttal otherwise blaming the opposition groups for being weak is too vague to justify the other side’s position.

            Have a good weekend
            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            You can say whatever you want. But you can never make me say whatever you want. I make mistakes like any body else on earth but one thing i can’t remember in my life is contradicting myself in any way let alone in a major way. Do you know why: the moment I find it imperative to contradict myself, I consider changing my position. There can’t be two conflicting things right in one person. One of them have to be wrong. hence, the adjustment. When a person like you spends his precious time spinning and saying things people said when they didn’t say thing like that, it shows how you find yourself in a very awkward situation. If I were, I go and talk to myself if there are things I need to have a 2nd look that I remain one and together. When that is the case, you don’t need to spin or misquote people just because wanted them wish say something.
            I will give you an example:
            You said this about me: [It is not about my way of thinking rather it is you keep failing to substantiate your claim that “the opposition groups are the primary responsible” to the reason why both the groups and the weyane government have failed to make progress]
            When did I say about Weyane not doing progress? The talk about the opposition not making progress. You have become a very moving target to me., Peace. First, you said I blamed the opposition for standing against PFDJ. I corrected you on that. And now this. What is making you so reckless from inside to be tempted of attributing stuff to people who don’t own them? Look inside!

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            I am trying to stick to the subject despite your repeatedly personal attacks, and keep in mind there is no point to have anything against for a person talking behind nick name. It just doesn’t make any sense.

            I asked you why do you think “the opposition groups are the primary responsible;” your response was because they are weak without any explanation. I tried to have you walk me through, as you usual do, but instead you chose to deploy your diversion tactic and diagnosing my personality; finally, I concluded with: well, the one word, “weak” reason you gave me is too vague to justify your unconditional support for the other side and wished you a happy weekend.

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            I will just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that there is may be an ambiguity on my side of clarifying my stand. From that angle, there are just few things I want you to correct in your data center.
            1) I blame PFDJ for all the misery inside Eritrea largely. If this is obvious enough, pass to the next point. if you have a problem with that, come out and tell me.
            2) I blame the opposition primarily for not building the necessary strength and removing PFDJ and salvaging their people in time. if that is obvious enough, lay it to rest. If not, tell me your issue if any.
            3) I blame all Eritreans who support the PFDJ directly or indirectly (by weakening the opposition, or not giving enough support to the opposition, and denying any benefit of doubt to PFDJ) thereby protracting the misery of our people.
            4) I have an idea how the Ethiopians would have supported best to tip the balance in favor of the opposition and I shared them with you. I am also okay with well thought financial support from Ethiopia that is tightly purposed on capacity building and provision of facilities. But I don’t entertain the idea of Ethiopians organizing and restructuring Eritrean political forces, or giving them missions or supplying with agendas at all.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            It is totally fine I thought you would defend your strong and seemingly biased position. I do not think there was ambiguity or short of clarification on your side, and my expectation was clear enough for you to give a straight answer as well. Prior to your reply, I even mentioned if your position would be any different from Amanuel Hidrat’s given you both are blaming or even accusing the opposition groups. I am not a spokesperson for the groups nor in a position to defend them I am just like anybody else frustrated and inclined to know why or what went wrong for disastrous failure.

            Peace!

        • Hayat Adem

          Peace,
          Your argument is faulty. Don’t mislead readers as if you know what Ethiopia”s interest is and then give a false impression as if you found it understandable from its own interestvtgat Ethiopia”s meddling hands in manipulating the opposiyions’ affairs is an obvious and given scenario tobbe expected. That is not true and I think as usual, you are trying to spin it. Spinning it too hard sets you back to your departure point.
          At best, Ethiopia wants a friendly and cooperating Eritrea. At worst (minimalist position)Ethiopia wants a stable Eritrea with zero spillover. Ethiopia never wanted, stated or otherwise, weak and troubled Eritrea. So, it is not in its interest to weaken the opposition. If at all, the Ethiopianz are too cautious of their pricipled position to dictate their own ways on the Eritrean opposition even when a little intervention would help to put the process back on teack. They want the opposition to grow naturally making its own mistakes and learning from them. All the failures should be owned by the opposition organs and refrain from the bad habit of externalizing failures. I think the clossal mistake by Eritreans of the justice block was the attempt of trying to bring the entire opposition into a single camp. What is wrong having two three blocks of opposition who agree to cooperate resources and efforts with tactical cording ting platforms while going separate ways on the strategic nature if their missions and activities. It is only the sum total of their achievements that need not negate one another but truly remain convergent all through until removing IA regime. Afterwards, it will be upto the Eritrean people to pick which block of those 2 or 3 should govern Eritrea through electoral processes.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            Please I am not misleading anybody, and of course, I do not need to remind you people here are way more intelligent and matured. Seriously though the attitude that Ethiopian government is always right is not helping you advance your position, please remember there is PFDJ and there is also a country called Eritrea. Now, if you think it is the opposition’s fault for not being creative or otherwise when it comes to dealing with Ethiopia, please make your case, or tell us what went wrong because you sound too sure as to what might have happened.
            Peace!

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat A., you wrote, “Afterwards, it will be upto the Eritrean people to pick which block of those 2 or 3 should govern Eritrea through electoral processes” which I partially agree with. The current opposition constallations could stay the same or change after the removal of the PFDJ regime. And they would only be a smaller part of the total political scene in Eritrea, because, obviously, most Eritreans live inside Eritrea. And we would have politcal parties formed according to the laws and regulations that come up after the current regime is gone. As I see it, the main problem within the current opposition groups is that almost all are competing for power in future Eritrea right now ከይሓረዱስ ሓዊ ኣጕዱ, which I think is a totally misplaced and ill-timed initiative. We need to believe that who comes to power in post-Isayas Eritrea is the sole responsibility of the Eritrean people and whoever is struggling today against the regime should focus the energy and resources towards the removal of the regime. However, it might be important to have discussions now about the transition phase, (that also takes into consideration the people inside Eritrea), which could be not more than two years time, before a constitutional gov could be established.

          • Hayat Adem

            Abraham,
            I fully agree and i think we are on the same page and paragraph despite your adverb qualifier “partially”.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat A., I put the qualifier ‘partially’ because I understood it that you, though may be unintensionally, left out the most part of the Eritrean people who are inside the country, when you wrote, “Afterwards, it will be upto the Eritrean people to pick which block of those 2 or 3 should govern Eritrea through electoral processes.” Putting it this way is like putting the cart before the horse, as we don’t even know how the rules and laws would be in future Eritrea regarding what type of parties to have and the coalitions in the diaspora opposition today may or may not be the same in the future. Besides, and most important, the current diaspora parties are going to operate inside Eritrea and they would have to sell their programs to the people there, and we would certainly have many more parties that grow up from within Eritrea.
            In my opinion, the political atmosphere in future Eritrea must be open for all actors that would abide by the law that would govern the formation of the parties. And in designing this law, we have to take into consideration our history and current realities; and we should draft the law in such a way that it doesn’t jeopardise the peace between the various components of our society, stability, and territorial integrity of our nation.

          • Selamat Hyatt Adem,

            Please help this freelancer out in explaining the Ethiopian Government’s policy of the last Sixteen Years. Was it to contain spill over? If so, there is pill over because it is alleged that GOSE responded in kind with its Ethiopian Opposition grooming. Was it it to create a weak and not so stable Eritrea? Well, it succeeded in that also, as all what we hear is how weak, destitute Eritrea has become?

            Ethiopia’s policy with regards to it’s “no war no peace” strategy.

            You said: “Ethiopia never wanted, stated or otherwise, weak and troubled Eritrea. So, it is not in its interest to weaken the opposition. If at all, the Ethiopians are too cautious of their principled position to dictate their own ways on the Eritrean opposition even when a little intervention apeared to help put the process back on track. ”

            tSAtSE

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi tSatSE,
            You are one of the extremely few self admitting shabiyans who can still be likeable. I can’t hide that you are my favorite. Even if you were, 2nd in command after Isayass, I will still like you. For some reason, I don’t hate Y.Monkey as much as I do others in the company of IA, such as wedi Efrem, for example. And it is not because I like Indian descent more than the ones from Enticho. I may not have even any good reason. That maybe why it doesn’t occur to me of your higdefiteness.

            tSatSE, you have many more carts and horses in reverse than in normal order.

            You said, ” If so, there is pill over because it is alleged that GOSE responded in kind with its Ethiopian Opposition grooming.”

            I will say this: since and after the undoing of the federation up to this minute, Ethiopia has been mostly reactive to what Eritrea does. Think about it. GOSE was not responding. GOSE was the creator of the game, hence the word “temetatagn”.

            “no war, no peace’ is PFDJ’s preferred status quo. PFDJ’s comfort in this setting is understandable. Ethiopia’s preferred position is “normalization”.

          • Selamat Hyat Adem,

            Won’t you please make up your mind. I need to be classified Asap. Now it is not a freelancer. I am a higdefite. Okay.

            Well let me tell you that I am for certing an advocate for normalization. You are speaking for Ethiopia, but I would much rather you speak for Hyayy Adem. And if Ms. Adem is for normalization, then we can start an honest dialoug on how normalizing is to materialize.
            You can call me anything you want, but make sure never to call me late for dinner.

            tSAtSE

          • Hayat Adem

            tSatSE,
            My hesitation is not without a reason. I don’t want to throw you away into the den of nocturnals. My hesitation is out of love, like when some one hesitates to throw away a rare jewel into the piles of garbage.
            I will try for the dinner until a firm rejection comes my way. Yes, I am for normalization. But i was not speaking for the Ethiopian government. I was simply describing the two sides. Tell me if I erred in giving the “no peace, no war- npnw” to PFDJ and “normalization” to Ethiopia. I am ready to be advised and corrected.

          • Selamat Hyatt Adem,

            “Yes, I am for normalization. But i was not speaking for the Ethiopian government. I was simply describing the two sides. Tell me if I erred in giving the “no peace, no war- npnw” to PFDJ and “normalization” to Ethiopia.”

            I have already conceded to accepting your classification of me as you see fit. I will accept “a rare jewel” as equally as I will accept “into a pile of garbage.” It is also not for you to view this statement as whether or not it is a firm rejection.
            Supposing I take you at your word that indeed you are “simply describing the two sides.” I too will simply describe the sides as I feel them to be true. We can both agree the both sides profess their desired legacy to spread democracy and by virtue of their adversarial respective choice of the opposite strategies, the “npnw”, as you have attributed to each, an empire of their democracy is what is sought after by both.*

            You have also described Ethiopia’s principled path of “normalizing” as you preference. I need clarity of your statement:
            “What is wrong with having two three blocks of opposition who agree to cooperate resources and efforts with tactical options of coordinating platforms while going separate ways on the strategic nature of their missions and activities.”

            1.) Can you be kind enough to give a description of these “two three blocks” that you envision cooperating while simultaneously going separate ways in their specific utilization of the resource that is Ethiopia
            2.) If there is no point of convergence of their respective missions, could “cooperation resource” Ethiopia prove to be with great difficulty?

            Your path to the “normalizing” you have described also paints the within “Touch Down”, of the end goal, “The Red Zone” if you will.

            You said “Afterwards, it will be up to the Eritrean people to pick which block of those 2 or 3 should govern Eritrea through electoral processes.”

            1.) Do you have a mechanism that you can describe to assure full commitment by these “two three blocks” to the choice electoral process choice block to govern Eritrea? What would each blocks activities net result for itself look like?
            2.) Are you suggesting to these “two three blocks” that you believe to be the path to “normalizing” to cooperate on the terms of their “separated temporarily” engagement to be wed in holy matrimony in the Church of Electoral College?
            3.) Do you foresee in this proverbial wedding day, invited guests and witnesses, with the well wishes of the “a united stable and independent” State of Eritrea? Are you able to give us their role with dedication and love they have tactfully employed in the success to honored and very valued guests? What would be their value hence force and forever Independent stable and united State of Eritrea with “normalized” status?

            I agree with you, that the Eritrean Opposition needs to own their failures and success. And so, I tell you if you have “erred” until your timely calling me for dinner. I would rather focus on what you will be describing as the error free “normalizing” I have kindly requested from you above.

            Your emphatic describing has great effect apparently as is evident by the many formers it has cause to lead with the absolute difficulties and hurdles they have stated. Though, it seems to me as their collective loss of appetite of the dish “for dinner” that is “normalizing.” Perhaps we both can serve appetizers first in our next dinner at Hyatt Adem’s. While I beg your pardon for my tardiness, I my dish rather very satisfying to my pallet and famished stomach. I thank you for your ongoing hospitality.

            Regards,

            tSAtSE

        • Selam Peace,

          Let me ask you, when unity with ethiopia supported by about 50% of eritreans had failed, and we passed through the horrible situation every ethiopian and eritrean knows so well, why would ethiopia be against eritrean independence and its stability, and why should she want to repeat the same mistake of keeping eritrea with ethiopia? No way, no more. Ethiopia’s problem is the authoritarian dia/pfdj, and not independent eritrea.

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon,
            That’s your opinion and I respect that although that’s not what’s unfolding right in front of our eyes. I understand the calculus is too complicated for many us to understand.
            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            What is unfolding right in front of our eyes that contradicts what just Horizon said? Can you share it with us?
            The only things that I know of are these:
            1) there are almost daily provocations from our side and the response from the south comes in kind only when there is too much of it and restraining is needed.
            2) there are people crossing from the north to the south everyday, and they are hosted and welcomes by the tigray people.
            3) there is almost historic and massive propaganda by pfdj mobilizing hostile media and disgruntled groups from ethiopia to demonize tigreans. the tigreans are wise enough to be responding in kind.
            Now your turn to tell us what you see are unfolding in our eyes.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            I made it clear many times there is PFDJ and there is also a country called Eritrea. The discussion here is about the future of both countries and their people. PFDJ is out of the equation, so please stop bringing PFDJ to justify your blinde support of the other side.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I am sorry we are Eritreans and we have much to worry about the drama going in our country called Eritrea. Anyone who wants to talk about Ethiopia is diverting our focus. PFDJ is Eritrea’s problem and we are hire to discuss Eritrea not Ethiopia. If you have issues with the Ethiopian government, they are calling all oppositions to discuss their concerns and resolve their differences. We, The Eritreans, will work to the get that opportunity, the chance to sit and discuss on ways of resolving the tragic nightmare that is in the country as I write this comment. It needs urgent lifeline and 5000/month youth leaving the nation and the lawless regime’s shot to kill policy and all the arrests and tortures exercises on innocent civilians is awakening. There is nothing worst than this. This is happening in the 21st century and in the country called Eritrea. I am an Eritrean and my priority is Eritrea NOT Ethiopia, Understand?

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Please read before you reply it is like having Pepto-Bismol for verbal diarrhea.

            Peace!

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Horizon, you said “Ethiopia’s problem is the authoritarian dia/pfdj, and not independent eritrea”; I realy hope so, and that there are not any influencial forces within the Weyane gov that wish to see a failed state in Eritrea a la Somalia.

          • Selam Abraham H.,

            Who do you think will be burdened with the problems of a failed eritrea from the ethiopian side? First and foremost, the state of tigray. I doubt that there are people in tplf who are blinded by hate to such an extent that they live to see eritrea a failed state like somalia.

            I too have this notion that MZ wanted IA to remain in power without being able to support it.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Horizon, the way I see it, there is a very bad competition and jealous resentment between the two cousins in Tigray and Eritrea; so bad that they are willing to take it as far as undoing the other. DIA has openly expressed his evil jealousy by belittling the Ethiopian gov’s development projects such as the GERD. He did this while, his regime is even incapable of providing basic electricity services to households and factories. I’m afraid there is similar ill wish from certain Tigrayan leaders towards Eritrea because of this unhealthy competition that went awry as evidenced by the bloody border war of 1998-2000.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Peace yes, the Ethiopian government had no choice but to extend state of emergency because 82% of the Ethiopian population wanted the state of the emergency to be extended. hahahahahah If You don’t believe me ask Mr Deselagn, he will tell. is there any more insult than this to the people of Ethiopia?

  • jacob abreham

    Dear Awate staff,

    ነዚ ክግዕታዶ ክንድዚ ገበታ ትርህጻ ይብሉ ኣቦታተይ ትግርኛ፥፥

    You guys are still rehashing to the issues of ENCDC.I know ENCDC was your foster child for quite some time and its hyperbole but hollow 2011 convention. Fast forward, here we are in 2017, when the center of gravity of the Eritrean politics is pulled towards the main owners and power players of the state of Eritrea, the Tigrigna. The timing of this news isn’t strange to many of us who have been following their nasty politics.Ohhhh …..”the state of emergency in Ethiopia is about to expire in few weeks and the ill-advised Hailemariam Desalegna could ignite a conflict in the North to drift attention of the people, so let’s use this opportunity as Trojan horse to try and take power”. Dear Writer, instead of exhausting your energy and resources in an OBSOLETE organization, you better have a good reading of the politics in reality and at the ground level in Eritrea .Your problem is one and only one,you haven’t seen what is on the ground in Eritrea at this hour in 2017. ንለባም ኣምተሉ እይ ሞ ለባም ተኮንካ እንታይ ማለተይ ምኻነይ ይርድኣካ ይኸውን. But, you haven’t had the audacity to do so either you chose to live in an elusive world or have been miscalculating things for years. My friend, please wake up!!

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam jacob abreham,

      The reality you speak about is a fake reality, “you better have a good reading of the politics in reality and at the ground level in Eritrea .” The same was said before you decades ago by those who were carried on the shoulders of Haile Sellase. Always you expose your naughtiness when you get someone who carry you on his shoulders. You didn’t create present reality; try to get back and trace its beginnings, difficulties and who carried you on their back as a cradle baby to attain present reality. Those who carried you on their shoulders to present reality can un-weave you to your actual size. ቆልዓ ይጎዩ እምበር ኣይቅድምን

    • Ismail AA

      Dear jacob,

      “ንለባም ኣምተሉ እይ ሞ ለባም ተኮንካ እንታይ ማለተይ ምኻነይ ይርድኣካ ይኸውን”. Ay ayfalkan temeliska nebska fetish.
      Regards

      • jacob abreham

        Dear AA Ismail,

        On the top of that there is another global reality i.e the most opportune time to gather coalition of the willing to fight terrorists .In an era of the drones, the task would be very easy.

        • tes

          Selam jacob abraham,

          EPLF was called a terrorist by ethiopia throughout its struggle years. Demonizing your enemy is not therefore anything.

          tes

  • blink

    Dear readers
    ENCDC is just a rotten umbrella , I do not see its importance at this time. Ethiopia must shift its focus away from these kinds .it has to give help to people who can lead and work based on secular beliefs. Islamists ,old guards of ELF and ex HGDEF ,,,what can possibly these people do? None . I have said this long time ago and I will repeat it again ” power by affirmation in Eritrea is not tangible for the foreseeable future. The reality on the ground (Eritrea) is changed and there will never be a system to transport all these people back to their origin. I do not see any force who can shift the demographics in gash barka, and other places , the place is totally different from 1991 . It is sad story but real . What ever we say about any ethnic groups claim on any land is just not realistic at this time. In the past 26 years the dynamic is shifted . What we can do is support for individual rights of human being away from race and regional issues .Based on the common values we can create a modern political opposition but we need to throw our narrow state of mind first.

    • Peace!

      Selam Blink,

      I didn’t know ENCDC harbors islamists; would you mind sharing the groups and their ideology? I am aware of complaints that too many muslim names in the ENCDC elected committee list, but never heard of such accusation, ISLAMISTS.

      thank you in advance.

      Peace!

      • blink

        Dear Peace
        Do you need their names plus their charters ? You can just scroll down to tes comment. Again the word islamic does not need any explanation for me , but you can ask Fanti Ghana for more

        • Peace!

          Selam Blink,

          I am just asking you to substantiate your claim that ENCDC harbors ISLAMISTS, I hope I am not asking too much.

          once again thank you!

          Peace!

        • Peace!

          Selam Blink,

          Are u still blinking? እንታይ ዳኣ PFDJ ዳበልካ ጠራዕራዕ ትብል, is it fake? you sound worst than PFDJ, at least PFDJ uses its cadres and pretends as if its mouth clean. Well, Tesfatsionay ሽጣራኻ ደውር።

          Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            I like to believe you are the same Eritreans who won against derg.
            The only thing you proved is that derg was useless.
            Do you know the word “እንኩቶ”? That is how I see the opposition.

          • blink

            Dear peace
            How fast you gave up and run in to insults plus so much of it. I do not support tesfatsion or any one like him.You wanted me to mention names right ? that will not happen. if you want call to the islamic political organization and they will build your profile as you wish.

          • Peace!

            Selam Blink,

            Why would I expect you to name individuals when you shamefully described them as rotten umbrella? I respectfully asked you to substantiate your claim, but you disappeared for very obvious reason.

            Please don’t get me wrong, you have every right to question the diversity of the umbrella, but to just throw a false sectarian accusation is disappointing and even dangerous.

            Peace!

    • Brhan

      Hi blink,
      Remember the Derg and before him H.Slase used to say to our fighters “wonbede” worse than what you have depicted ENCDC as rotten umbrella. The essence is your cause not how small or fragmented you are at the moment.
      As for transport people back to their origin, well, I am afraid your are not thinking a mule as means of transportation. We are in 21st century. The issue the right of people to say how they want to live. Do not you see three fingers are pointing at you when you pointed by one of your finer to say ” power by affirmation in Eritrea is not tangible” . Is not HGDEF policy in this regard is a failure.
      But at the end you contradicted yourself when you said ” support for individual rights” . Well individual rights are indivisible .

      • blink

        Dear Brhan
        Say what ever you like , the reality will dictate . The difference between individual right and getting power by affirmative action so to speak the so called ethnic as we have them in dozens ,is not going to work. I can not see Kunama to claim barentu as their own given land more than some one from Sahel , Asmara and other places who doesn’t speak kunama. And I can not imagine a farmer in kushet to claim over a villa owned by kunama or any other. The ethnic group opposition just do not get it when they claim over any land. We can only have Eritrea equally for any Eritrean.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam Awatists,

    I hope Ethiopia to convince those who held ENCDC impasse or assist the majority to convene their second congress and move forward. I hope all opposition groups to join ENCDC for a united democratic Eritrea.

    Al-Arabi

  • tes

    Selam Awatawyan,

    I am happy to see DMLEK to rethink their position on our history. It will help us get united for the same voice.

    The only positive outcome so far is, that Kornelios Esman, the leader of DMLEK who had a simmering difference with several organizations, showed magnanimity, and gave in to persuasion and helped resolve the problem..

    I commend Kornelios to show a courage and lead the Kunama opposition front into its right place.

    And I hope those who boycotted ENCDC rethink their position on working with other opposition groups. No matter what other opposition groups strategy is, I believe ENCDC is what it can bring us together without compromising each side political position.

    I call those who boycoated ENCDC to re-join and empower the struggle against the common enemy.

    And I look forward the one who is using its/his/her veto power to impass back rethink and change that power to unite Eritreans.

    Bravo DMLEK!

    tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam tes,

      A) There is no organization which has veto power. None at all.
      B) The Ethiopian interference is simply false. They gave them a platform to resolve their differences and still failed to met that challenge.
      C) EDA has been the problem and still remained to be the problem.
      D) look these organizations who could not unite themselves can not unite the Eritrean people. How difficult could it be for an honest citizen to see this reality.
      E) Ethiopia has made its position, that in order to offer any kind of help, these factions of organizations must be united with one purpose to emancipate our people from the oppression they facing.

      F) an umbrella within an umbrella, that is EDA umbrella within ENCDC does not work and will not work for the foreseeable future. EDA umbrella is always a subotage to the broad umbrella ENCDC.

      G) the DMLEK organization was voted out by EDA members and expelled from ENCDC,that become the cause division within ENCDC to this date. Facts are facts, no matter how they wanted to distort it.

      H) In order to stop these scapegoating the organizations who complain Ethiopia for their failure, have many options to move forward – that is to change their offices either to Sudan, Kenya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or any to any of the gulf states. We are sick and tired of these endless complaining to Ethiopia. Those who believe Ethiopia is on their way, it is high time to look alternative location. Those who are fine to stay, could remain there. The Eritrean people want to see practical organization to help them.

      Regards

      • tes

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

        Forgive me if I am moving fast. But as I can see we are almost there.

        Before going into further and detailed solution oriented discussion, I would like to ask you this:

        1. If EDA is an umbrella by itself and is OK for EDA to be within the umbrella of ENCDC, what is the problem? Personally I don’t see any problem. During my masters, I had a special course on Clustering of Clusters – of course it was for Agricultural Food Producers – I saw really a great work achieving in this system(It was in Romania). If I am not misunderstanding you – what you are saying is ENCDC is cluster of clustered organizations. Well I do not understand why you you not OK with this.

        For me, it is unity within unity.. Please explain to me the merits and demerits of having an already united group within a bigger United group.

        2. Is ENCDC an umbrella of:

        a. Political Organization only?
        b. Civic Societies only?
        c. Mixed?

        If it mixed, then I think I can see the source of the problem. Please enlighten me. Of course it is possible to know who is who within ENCDC but I am bringing this because I am feeling something has to be discussed on the way ENCDC is formed.

        Other points, we might discuss depending on the flow.

        tes

        • Selamat tes,

          I have a gut feeling that your upcoming arguements against Ethnic Federalism,might be the cause of the ills within the ENCDC.

          In the absence of clear reportage, the ambiguos article above leaves the Eritrean reader to resort to extrapolation method in order to THROW FUEL INTO THE FIRE.

          1. Amanuel Hidrat is leading the defense of Ethiopia’s role and tells us there is no one with veto power while simultaneously stating EDA an umbrela org itself within an umbrella is the problem.
          2. Should I guess DMLK is asked to play the role of tmTPLF of yesteryear and is asked to not be secesionist, while RASDO/EASE that is pary of the EDA is playing the EPLF of yesteryear and is granted greater allowance to seceed from Eritrea. I am guessing RASDO + EASE maybe the one with veto power.
          3. Don’t take me serious, but the reporting could have spelled it out to the Eritrean Peolple the stake holder. How would it have affected the ongoing meetings rspecially the Wednsday meeting. Clearly, the reporting feels insecure about Medrek…..

          tSAtSE

          • Lamek

            Selam tsatse, as far as I know, this is the very first time Saay7 said anything about Medrek. Give him time. He will spell it out in due time in great detail.

          • Selamat Lamek,

            You had me double chech the author of the article. It ain’t Saay7.
            As far as I know Saay7 is conducting interiviews on nick at night on Nockoldean.

            …hmmm but perhaps Captain Frmajo is doing live consultations, mediatins and arbitrations. If so, I am optimistic under the Saay7 umbrella that all the umbrellas within umbrella should take cover under.

            tSAtSE

        • Amanuel Hidrat
          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Thank you for the link. As I can ENCDC is composed of Civic and Political Organization. I can imagine why ENCDC is in a mess.

            I believe that Civi Organizations can not compete to take a political position. If they do they are no more civic.

            ENCDC should therefore clear itself on the organizations.

            Being an independent but political is OK as far as the democratic process is followed. And there should not be merit based membership.

            With EDA, I don’t see any serious problem and I believe that EDA is already a united front.

            This is just a suggestion.

            tes

          • Brhan

            Hi Tes,
            ENCDC not only included members of civic organizations but also independent individuals too. This is because that you must not be a member of the political parties to be a member in ENCDC. It is a wise step from ENCDC. Other wise civic organizations’ members and independent individuals won’t have a role in one of the major Eritrean political arenas: ENCDC.

      • tes

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

        I think you seem to be ignoring as you do for some critical questions I address to you:

        I have tried to revisit my old memories and updated now about EDA.

        Here is what I found:

        The Eritrean Democratic Alliance (EDA) is an Eritrean opposition umbrella composing of 13 political Organizations. It uses all the available means of struggle to topple the current Eritrean regime. It has convened its unitary organizational congress in 2008. The names of its member organizations are as follows.

        1. Democratic Movement For the Liberation of the Eritrean Kunama-DMLEK,
        2. Red Sea Afar Democratic Organization-RSADO,
        3. Eritrean Peoples Democratic Front-EPDF,
        4. Eritrean National Salvation Front-ENSF,
        5. Eritrean Liberation Front-ELF,
        6. Eritrean Peoples’ Party-EPP,
        7. Eritrean Islamic Party for Justice and Development-EIPJD,
        8. Eritrean People’s Congress-EPC,
        9. Eritrean Peoples’ Movement-EPM,
        10. Eritrean Nahda Party-ENP,
        11. Eritrean Democratic party,EDP,
        12. Eritrean Islamic Congress-EIC, and
        13. Eritrean Federal Democratic Party-EFDM.

        This is something worth to see such a un umbrella and represented as one. Can you please enlighten me?

        I think you are a member of Civic Societies. Do you have any role in ENCDC?

        I hope you will not disappoint me for a second time.

        tes

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tes,

          When I edit to add explanations to the link, it didn’t take it. So, here is now the explanation with link:

          Below is a link with the list of ENCDC members. They are composed of elected individuals from the following categories:

          a) from eleven organizations of EDA members
          b) from civic societies
          c) from representatives of the public from different regions of the world who support the process
          d) from individual intellectuals who where selected by the commission to participate the congress.
          e) from none EDA political organizations.

          You asked me whether I participate from civil organization. No. Mine falls in the third category which is (c). At that time I was not a member of civil society. So my information is first hand information until November 2012 the second ENCDC meeting – the meeting that expelled the DMLEK. After that meeting all members of ENCDC from civil societies withdrew their membership from the council.

          Why did the commission wanted a broad participation from the political organizations, the public, and civil societies to the congress? The commission saw (a) the composition as a microcosm of the Eritrean people will help to build trust within our societies (b) to exercise parliamentary process to learn how to legislate and execute the common agreement (c) to reduce political competition within the political organizations until the fall of the dictator and start constitutional process and establish rule of law in Eritrea. The idea was good, but with EDA nothing can be accomplished. I hope this will answer your question in general.

          https://web.archive.org/web/20120107223509/http://awate.com/encdc-names-of-assembly-members-and-executive-office-heads

          regards

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Thank you very much. I noted below and to repeat, ENCDC is right to be in mess.

            I think putting Civic Socieites with political organizations is the main source of all these hickups.

            As you noted, if ENCDC Civic Societies have withdrawn already, this is a right path.

            Civic societies can work with ENCDC as partners, even in helping for the success of ENCDC. If they sit with political organization, the basic notion of rule of law vanishes.

            Civic Socieities are believed to be guardians of specific interest.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tes,

            (a) EDA members was fighting each other for power, since they formed their umbrella, I think in 2008 (not quit sure the year) up to the formation of ENCDC (b) EDA and the none EDA political organizations are fighting each other since 2011 – this is after the civil societies members of ENCDC, individual intellectuals member of ENCDc, and representatives of the public who were members of ENCDC, quit the the council. It has nothing to do with civil societies. History has noted it. They will continue to fight each other and continue their amebic multiplication as far as mistrust loomed within themselves. With that I close my case.

            regrads

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Political parties always fight for power domination. This is their obvious nature. I don’t see any insanity within this premises. What might be missing is democratic elements that respect rule of law. Otherwise, dormant political parties which do not compete each other to dominate power are useless to exist.

            On the other hand, when Civic Societies act as political organizations and compete for power, there is a always a serious problem. Civic Societies are not meant to take power. They can play a role in the power making but not in the power sharing.

            Today, Eritreans in the diaspora are developing a malicious behaviour of feelings of superiority over political organizations. And we have reached at this stage already. Political Organizations are also trying to please these Civic Societies. This is unhealthy political development and a danger to struggle for justice.

            Sometimes Tyrannies are OK with Civic Societies but always hate political parties. And what we see in the diaspora is a spillover effect of tyranny..

            As I can read between your lines, you seem to be angry with EDA. I have read you spilling these feelings everytime political organizations progress report is published here. I can feel your grievances and at the same time I see the unnecessity of such sentiments towards political organizations.

            Civic Socieites could have played a role in the reconciliation process(not necessarily a group), as watch-dogs, as think-tank sources, as voices, source of technocrats, as platforms, as promoters, as funders, as devil advocators, as provocators, etc and yet need to be connected with the works of political organizations.

            However our Civic Societies are tyrying to ignore the existence of political organizations/parties and act by themselves at the center of power competition.

            I wish ENCDC was only composed of Political Parties. Just I wish.

            tes

      • Ismail AA

        Ahlen Aman,

        “…. the organizations (EDA) who complain Ethiopia for their failure, have many options to move forward – that is to relocate their offices either to Sudan, Kenya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or to any of the gulf states.”

        To be honest, I did not have the urge to engage in debate within this thread because the issue has been over debated, and thought the posting meant simply upgrading us on developments about Council and its problems.

        But, after reading this rather angry statement that I have quoted from, I felt that I missed Amanuel Hidrat I learned to know through following his writings for a long time, and with whom I agreed on many issues.
        Actually, this statement reminded me of the discussion the late Dr. Habte Tesfamariam had with aboy Woldeab Woldemariam in 1968 in Cairo on Isayas and group’s split from the ELF. Dr. Habte had argued that endorsing the split had meant sanctioning of civil wars because two armed factions in one operational arena could preclude disputes escalating to military confrontations. Developments had vindicated his views later.

        My point is that moving of the EDA organizations to some of the places you have mentioned meant to suggest they organize and operate within that milieu compatible with the nature of things you might have in mind. It simply means that the opposition forces would pursue their path in parallel ways that would make the prospect hard to converge. I do not believe the consequence of such developments to national unity in the longer term had escaped your keen attention.
        Regards

        • Selamat Aya Ismael AA,

          You mention Dr. Habte to WelWel views in 1968 and the disaster of 1977-1982.

          ” It simply means that the opposition forces would pursue their path in parallel ways that would make the prospect hard to converge. I do not believe the consequence of such developments to national unity in the longer term had escaped your keen attention.”

          Semere Habtemariam graced us with the excellent book review 1961 – 1982 ELF. It was a well timed article to push for an intra-Eritrean dialogue without the influences and swaying of our great Ethiopian Giant of Nation in the the Horn of Africa. Unfortunately, AT and the editors thought it necessary to utilize a a One Two combination of the jab and the left hook punch combo. To setting up the sway of Ethnic Federalism on the Eritrean body politic. The One Jab punch of tes’s “Zura ba Hagerka” lamentations and ending up with the left hook EDA/ENCDC impasse hinted by the article and Aya Amanuel’s frustrations and his refusal to be malleable due to his strong convictions stance of Ethiopia’s role and Ethnic Federalism. The boxers and the punching bag graphics is rather fitting.

          And what of tes’ promised article regarding his problems with Ethnic Federalism in Eritrea. Well… at least you and I are back full circle to 1977 a little while conversations. “SaHil koyne lomi kzikiro.. AyresaEnayan SebAnn ShewAten, ayresaEnayan niHna” Sang FeHira.

          Where is Gheteb? Please tell me not in ATTICA ATTICA!! HARAKA HARAKA HARAKA!

          Dances with Gurgurr AArkobkobay AAkat.

          tSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Selam tSAtSE wedi Hawey (changed the title),
            Grm. abaá Haz. Zeten Hiwnetn zelewo Adi may yharmo. There is no alternative to dialogue in good faith. Wars eventually end with talks – even in the aftermath of the victors and vanguished. Otherwise, today’s vanguished could become tomorrow’s victor; and the vicious circle may go on and on to the day victors and vanguished perish in solidarity of mutual annihilation. The rule is do not get infatuated with what seems to be facts on the ground. It can in no time turn into a mirage on the horizon.
            regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Solomon,

            What is Amanuel’s position on Ethnic Federalism in Eritrea from reading my articles all these years? Don’t act like Blink someone who accuse without knowing my position. Ethnic Federalism is not bad governance for countries that fit to their realities. The worst government in modern era is “centralized unitary government”.

          • Selamat Aya Amanuel Hidrat,

            ” Ethnic Federalism is not bad governance for countries that fit to their realities” is exactly what I thought your position is.

            Now as much as I love Ethiopia and Ethiopians, given the historic Eritrean Revolutionary War for Independence and the bloody Badume war and other factors, though Eritrea fits the profile for Ethnic Federalism, there is way too much of dark rooms political dealings that can spark a third catastrophic war in the region for the Ethnic Federalists to push an agenda that politically, economically and militarily favors an already with a large head start advantage Ethiopian Government.

            The primary problem with Ethnic Federalism is it ignores the historic currency of Eritreans belief in their revolutionary struggle from Mt. Adal to Nakfa. The unitary centralized government you say is the worst form of government has ample backings within all Eritrean societies who would prefer to negotiate all international aspects as one as opposed to Nine to Twelve Ethnicity groupings. There must be a better way to unite Eritreans with equitable responsibilities and benefits of all the nationalities.

            On Ethiopia’s role, as with any other independent nation, it’s foreign policy will be for its benefit. I believe Ethiopia’s yet to be clearly spelled policy shift and its EASE by EASE tinkering is a tell tell sign of pertinent discussions I intend to push. Its Athens V Sparta and human nature draging us way back to antiquity. And I believe, esteemed Ertireans such as yourself cannot take an attitude of “my way or the high way”.

            Oh yes around 2006-2008 plenty I have warned EDA not to have their offices inside Ethiopia. Here in this very forum, I warned the tide will change and the preference will be the current trend where the Agazians and less fervent Tigrigna would be courted to focus on central to northwest Eritrea with economic enticing arguments and Eastern Eritrea with EASE. I don’t say this due to my dislike or hatred for anything Ethiopia. On the contrary, it is because of my firm belief that there is a much more beneficial to Ethiopia road and policy it can utilize. To be argued later.

            But one last question Aya Amanel Hidrat: If Ethinic Federalism best fits Eritrea for best governance, why hasn’t it succeeded in unifying the Eritrean Opposition as an agreed upon future Eritrean government in the last Fifteen Years or at least since EDA/ENCDC?

            A quick note to Aya Ismael AA’s following statement:
            “Do not get infatuated with what seems to be facts on the ground. It can in no time turn into a mirage on the horizon.”
            Not ever. I like to think of my self as Metkelawi. Now, if the Metkel is to be changed officially by consensus, say in the next congress of the Eritrean Opposition, from a united front for Eritrea’s independence to something different, it is possible for me to reluctantly accept it as long as it is beneficial to the people and void of any worst catastrophic threat. I think enough of the victors and vanquished cycles in my lifetime have I experienced to make sure another cycle of washing the laundry is not to take place. I am hoping that you are getting some traction on what I feel the debate should be about. If not, I will hopefully be coherent soon.

            Regards,

            tSAtSE

          • Haile S.

            Hi Xaxe,
            I agree with many things you said. To the far observer the composition and conduct (based on the lengthy discussions of the past in this forum) looks like the bellows of an accordion in the hands of Ethiopia. Why stop the dance when the music is great? But I give up to the optimistic close followers who see an end in this saga and hope to be proven wrong by a quick solid accord and closure of the space between the bellows.

          • tes

            Selam Haile S.,

            In the beginning of the history of the book of failures I do believe that it is not Ethiopia’s fault but ours. Once teh book of failures is open, Ethiopia is not playing any role or is not interested to solve it.

            Look to the political organization of ENCDC composed of five incompatible stakeholders as given below. The first chapter of failure is in the composition, a composition that is incompatible.

            a) from eleven organizations of EDA members
            b) from civic societies
            c) from representatives of the public from different regions of the world who support the process
            d) from individual intellectuals who where selected by the commission to participate the congress.
            e) from none EDA political organizations.

            No matter how succesful it might come in the meetings, in the upcoming discourses there will be a never imagined damage.

            – Political Organizations will continue their usual game of fierce competition – not necessarily objective.

            – Civic Societies will find it boring and old fasioned to adhere into a political program and less/no appetite to be part of the power competition

            – Independent Individuals will feel sidelines and powerless, often ignored. And they start to criticize openly, to the public. The public, who was unrepresented or no idea who this individual is, will start to pay attention for this strange criticism. Often such individual criticism gets wider public attention and as a result the target party is damaged, sometimes unrepairable.

            – Intellectuals use their academic advantage to hit back as if it does not belong to them – Intellectuals Syndrome.

            – And weaker political organizations use the wider opportunity to stirr-up the political atmosphere to get public attention.

            All these results a damage that can not be solved by the supporting country/party, often very complicated to enter into.

            It is this kind of complexity that is now blamed for its failure or lack of interest in the Eritrean Opposition Political Development process.

            If we change our system, I think Ethiopia can support us effectively. What is hapening so far, I can not blame Ethiopia. I blame our own way of organizing for the cause we are fighting for.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Seleye,

            Did Amanuel advocate Ehnic Fedetalism for Eritrea? Are you familiar with my writings? I am really disappointed with you. By now I thought you know what kind of government I advocate. I advice you to go to my archive “tebeges” to find out exactly. In any case those who oppose Federalism or any kind of decentralized governance are those who oppose equitable sharing. And those who oppose both types of governance are understood from what section of our society are – and is to control the power of politics and economics.

            Second, recognizing the grievances of our social groups and supporting their fights for equitable sharing does not mean, that I am for Ethnic Federalism.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amanuel H., you wrote “In any case those who oppose Federalism or any kind of decentralized governance are those who oppose equitable sharing”. Stressing on your federalism claim, I would like to say that one doesn’t need federalism to guarantee equitable sharing; it is rather what type of constitution one has and how far one is determined to follow the spirit of the constitution and its provisions that determines the just sharing of power and resources. A centralized gov with a just constitution that allows for fair participation of the stakeholders and with some degree of decentralization that depends on the capabilities of the peripheries could be one that guarantees equitable sharing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            A) Isn’t the constitution in itself that depict what kind of government of a given society must have? By that it means whether to have either (1) centralized unitary government or (2) decentralized unitary government that includes federalism. The structural image of the constitution is the nature of governance it depicts. This question is in regard to your statement “it is rather what type of constitution one has and how far is determined”.

            B) once what ever degree of decentralization any constitution allows, it is no more called “centralized unitary government”. It is “decentralized unitary government”. This in reference to you statement “a centralized government with a just constitution……………and some degree of decentralization….”.
            I do not see disproving my statement.

            Note: Federalism is one kind of decentralized government.

            Regards

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amanuel H., may be I didn’t express myself clearly in my first reply, but this is what I wanted to say. You wrote: “In any case those who oppose Federalism or any kind of decentralized governance are those who oppose equitable sharing.” I agree with you in that future Eritrea must give ample space for its constituents; be it ethnic, religious, or other social groups for fair share of power and resources. My stress was we could design our future constitution so that it allows decentralized system without basing it on federal system. In other words we can have a unitary system with ample decentralization that takes into consideration the reality on the ground. (Please refer to the Swedish study you mentioned in one of your articles, that shows some unitary states like Sweden are even more decentralized than federal states like Belgium). I’m for a decentralized unitary system, I think you also agree with me on that? Most importantly, we have to enshrine provisions in our future constitution that allows for group and individual rights that do not threaten the peaceful co-existence among our various social groups, and that safeguards our territorial integrity.

          • blink

            Dear GitSAtse

            These who wanted to apologize, play the blame game are advocating for TPLF copy past system (decentralised system across ethnic lines ) in Eritrea , such people do not know the reality on the ground , some of them are still on their train from Eritrea to kessela ( remember their train is old rotten with an engine that has no spare parts ) and some new seeds are grown by such people just to beat the old drum , They are trying every corner and yet they could not produce a single result. There will never be an apology and there will never be afar state or kunama state in Eritrea ,I urge these people to come to the Eritrean terms .We can not remove the dictator with such people , the young must reject these all regionalists , religionists , ethnic based opposition simply due to the reality.

          • Dear blink,

            My sympathetic and impartial tuning to your arguments would be better enhanced when you define “These who…” with their deserved due respect. I have picked up on what you are alluding to. Both your “train to kessela” and the many perceptions//interpertations of what you mean by “reality on the ground.” Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate for me on these points I mention for the purposes of both of us to have an honest dialogue rather than forming strong attitudes of objections to our respective understandings of all events that make up the reality on the ground to this very moment.

            Regards,

            tSAtSE

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel .H
            I don’t have any of it. Sale your escape goat to others. ENCDC has been dead long time ago .Ethnic federal state in Eritrea will not happen even if some kunama ,Afar and others wanted it ,simply because they do not have any power to in force it. The reality on the ground has shifted long time ago . What you and others need is reality check with a mile long mirror . I am not with people who want to apologize.

        • tes

          Selam Ismail AA,

          Amanuel Hidrat is always angry when it comes to the notion of political organizations. Sorry if I over-read him but as I can see it seems he has no faith on these political parties. I can conspire why but his feelings are sendings a damaging effect.

          As he said, Amanuel attended 2011 ENCDC conferences by representating of the public from different regions of the world who support the process. Though he did not mention if he represented a group of people or community what we know from his words is that he attended because he supported the process.

          …he supported the process – just to emphasize

          What he didn’t tell us is whether he was a stakeholder or a political figure (representing people who adhere to his political principles). I think supporting a political process does does not make you a stakeholder. Other thing what he didn’t tell us is that whether he had a political program of his own that he wants to implement or a political mission that he wants to work on.

          Political organizations/parties within EDA (13 in number) have their own respectiive political mission(or objectives or programs or strategies) and collectively they are working in unity these to happen. If individuals became stakeholders in the ENCDC umbrella, they are coming with their own political agenda but agreed to work united. During the development process of ENCDC, these already established political parties will try to fusse their own political agenda to be that of ENCDC. At this time, there could be debate, arguments, conflicts and discussions. Sometimes it can create fierce competition. What is then missing is the democratic process of voting and agreeing on those common agendas.

          At this moment, an independent individual might fail to inject his/her political agenda. It is very obvious. He represents himself and those who represent their political organization can use their democratic rights to come out successful by injecting their own political agenda to the bigger umbrella. At this time, individuals might feel sidelined. But this is a normal and healthy political process.

          Unfortunately people like Amanuel Hidrat want their voices to be heard(sometimes to be the leading one) in the making of the umbrella. This is what is killing our political process.

          I have read Amanuel Hidrat angry lines so many times. I can see his grievances. But I blame him for his failure to establish his own political party. The disadvantage of being an independent individual is so clear in democracy. The individual needs resources, needs loyals, need outlets, needs diplomacy, so many things. Being a politician is not enough to be part of the political process.

          It is worrisome to see individuals like Amanuel Hidrat not to have trust on our political parties/organizations while they wholeheartedly advocate grievances of these same political organizations whom they don’t trust to be a part.

          And this happens in political atmosphere with full freedom but in the absence of regulations and rule of law.

          tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam tes,

            It is not about me, it is about Eritrean people. Second every Eritrean citizen has a stakeholding in Eritrea. Third, I wasn’t sidelined and don’t judge people by your perception. Not good. Do you know how old I am to look for political power. You are simply wrong.

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            First of all, be patient with me. The topic I am discussing is an area were I differ with you. Forgive me if I sound I judge you. It is how I feel on your political discourses. Accept that you have a weakness. I might be wrong in the over-all of your political views. What I am concentrating is on specific developments.

            Be tolerant therefore.

            I know it is about Eritrean people and I know your struggle for this matter. I always respect and I never critisized you for that matter. You are my hero. I always say that and I will always say it.

            Nevertheless, I see some weaknesses. I am targeting these weaknesses. Of course it is not easy to target a weakness but at least at this age of your political life, you have too. You have because the opposition camp is not as strong as it was yesterday. And if it is weaker, you have to share it. I can not make you free.

            With all due respect please allow me to criticize where I could.

            tes

          • Ismail AA

            Dearest tes,

            I apologize for this late response. I saw the post now. I think I jumped the item on the screen.

            I am very happy to see a young men and women like you who invest time and energy to delve into national matters they believe have bearing on their present and future. One would pray to see more of tes(es) hailing across the board of our diverse society coming together and taking hold of their destiny and forging forward to create competent justice seeking movement equipped with all facets of material and mental capabilities that enable them to unite their people and defeat the dictatorship to smooth the way for a peace and tranquility loving nation to emerge where free citizens would God given liberties and freedoms, and enjoy the bounties of their toil and work.

            Dear tes, the politics and the follies of despotism that led to the establishment of the opposition formations we have today are pretty intricate. It is not easy to detach them from the workings of the social and demographic realities out of which our still fragile post-colonial nation-state had emerged. Perhaps, this could sound unnecessarily out stretched statement to a casual and innocent observer. But, individuals with sharp and discerning minds nourish by education and experience should never forget to look back at the roots of their diverse social and demographic set up if they want their efforts and endeavors to make impact and serve cherished goals.

            Thus, what I am trying to remind you is the fact that the reasons and politics that led to annexation in 1962, had cut short the process of laying down of health consensually cemented foundation on which our young polity had to stand and pursue national development. The political process that had been launched after 1952, and the adoption of the constitution, had been interrupted from consolidating national unity through constitutionally determining the rights and duties of citizens in the framework of national identity that had to express itself in balanced state organs such parliament, legal systems, law and order and so on. Actually, the last elected parliament did begin to make laws that could have been the building bricks of the institutions I just noted before it was disbanded by the annexationist authorities and local surrogates.

            I wanted to scribble these lines not because I thought you do not already know the background history of your nation, but simply for the sake of suggesting a clue that may serve in understanding the core reasons that have been de-capacitating the opposition that could be read within the context of the overall social and political status quo of our nation. It has to be remembered that the scourge called mistrust (with emphasis) had not been yet been cured.
            As I have read from your earlier post, and the debates brothers such as Amanuel had mentioned the reason for competition to be at the driving seat has its root in the perennial mistrust. This has been expressing itself all along be it the era of splits during the liberation struggle or since independence. It has always been a fact that we Eritreans do rarely disagree on substances of programs, and but much often hit an enormous snag when it comes to selection of leaders. The actors lack confidence and trust in whoever manages to take the driver’s seat would not give it back. In case one of the succeeded to take over, it is incumbent of the rest to fail him by hook or crook. This is exactly what happened to the post Hawassa ENCDC.

            Thus, every group whatever the size and influence wants to lead. The distorted logic in this is of course one who leads in the run up period to the toppling of the regime at the present, or end of annexation in national independence war era in the past, would provide license to power late, or maximize the chances at least. Hence, tes, it is prudent to not oversee the impact of the mistrust for the leadership crises that had been, continues to, bewilder the opposition, on the one, and on the other the core reason why the despotic regime fortifies itself behind the walls of social and demographic imbalances, on the other.

            Regards

          • tes

            Selam Ismail AA,

            One of the few documentary films that I watched and has left some good lessons for me is “The Secret”.

            In between the narrations, it says:

            Thoughts become things”.

            And if anything I have learned repeatedly from Amanuel Hidrat’s articles and his comments is a repeatitive use of “Mistrust. And remembering what I quoted above, it says more about Amanuel Hidrat than anyone else.

            I wish he could have avoided this word from his all his articles and now from his comments.

            I am not not denying for its existence but I wanted to change this kind of thinking.

            Words matters.

            This is just the gist of a response that I will respond later. Just a gist of the whole.

            tes

          • Ismail AA

            Dear tes,

            You are right. The words “trust” and “mistrust” have become monotonous in our political culture. In fact, the connotation their reflect is negative and ugly because the notions they portend project barriers or impediment between sides that lack instead of removing them and facilitating interaction and resolving the problem that created them.

            In our case, we mention them because they exist and impede ways and means to resolve problem that we suffer from. Thus, the point I was trying to pass to you in my earlier post was to underscore that we have to diagnose the ailment before we embark on treatment. In other words, to change ways of thinking there have to need for full grasp of the reasons for their existence in the first place.

            Regards

          • tes

            Dear Ismail AA,

            I agree with you wholeheartedly. There exists mistrust. But the question is should call just for trust or we need to build an institution that can be trusted by the people? This is what I try to figure it out.

            It is very strange to see in a relatively expected to be well organized opposition party/organization a structure that is solely dedicated rule of law. Everyone talks, everyone fights and everyone just breaks up.

            Challenges:

            Trusting on laws is not enough
            Rule of law is not enough
            Law and Rule of Law is what is needed.

            Trusting people is not the beginning
            To trust is not the end
            Trust is not a means

            Trust is a product.

            Not forgetting all the historical complications, here is what I see(a thought provoking for you to share how you see):

            ELF – had a better reputation in building on “Trusting on laws”.
            EPLF – had a better reputation in trusting people.

            ELF failed because trusting on law was not enough. EPLF, not only failed but betrayed because they considered trust was the means.

            And now, everyone is talking about either of the above challenges yet no one is talking about the whole. And my hope and struggle is to build a system that has all.

            tes

          • Ismail AA

            Dear tes,

            I can see your grasp of the problem in a nutshell captures volumes of what went wrong in our post-colonial political culture. I mean your straightforward contrast above.

            Since detailing the ELF and EPLF era could be seen by some of us in this forum as classical stuff and boring venture, I would like to respond to your provocation that it is now time for us to be talking about the whole, I want to let you know that I am an advocate of a mechanism that vetoes the parts from spoiling the work of the whole.

            So, the opposition should settle their differences by way of writing a convenant or charter that should enshrine principles and laws that rule and regulate their work. The programs and manifestoes of the parts (organizations, parties etc.) should be relegated to the status of exclusive affair of the owners, and should strictly be subordinated to the force of the law in a national charter or covenant.

            Regards

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Ismail AA, as I see it from what you’ve written here and my general observation, the main problem within the Eritrean politics is actually the same on both sides of the aisle. On the PFDJ side, the organization wants to control all power for itself and is unwilling to give it or allow fair competition form other Eritrean political actors. On the opposition side as well, there is the same chronic problem of everybody wanting to have the reins of power for themselves. There is a basic truth lacking on both sides; the fact that the one and only one which would name or shame its leaders is the Eritrean people. And that any group would be elected according to its merits and the solutions that it delivers. All political actors need to believe on this basic principle, if we are going to have any chance of progress of overcoming our current predicament.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Abraham,
            Yes, you ave got the point. The crux of the problem is that politics and leadership role in our case is taken- for-granted exclusive terrain for the elites. This condition pervades all level of society: communal, regional and national leaders and ranges down to even religious, social and cultural aspects. The people are there to be led and guided. In a word, our condition has not yet transformed to systems that allow the people to “name or shame its leaders”, to borrow word very expressive words.
            Regards

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo,

          You are right that with such developments national unity is impractical. But look they can’t complain Ethiopia year in and year out for their own failure to come together for 25 years. They are not ready to come together to fight the despot with one common plan to emancipate our people from the grip of the despot. As if the throne is in Addis Abeba, they are fighting for the seat of power.

          To my surprise there are some organizations without shame which claim the driving seat belong to them, if not they subotage the common goal of the struggle. And now we are told that some has veto power. What kind of veto power is this? It is unrealistic description to the nature of the existence of this organizations. Ismailo, these are organizations that have not unity and stabilities within themselves. The Eritrean politics becomes a mess difficult to stir it in the right direction. My reaction is for the wrong description for the realities of these organizations I am reading.

          Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Emma,
            I believe you have been replying to an editorial by the Awate Team (just in case). And the editorial was not written by the EDA, or the ENCDC, or by the the vested groups and individuals. Apart from a relevant quote by an opposition member, who could possibly be allied with you, there is no statement by any opposition member in the editorial. The AT is entirely responsible for it. I am wondering why you are trashing the opposition of which you are part! Also, why do you refer to the opposition groups in Ethiopia in the third-person, “they” instead of “Us”? As far as I know, you were part of the post-Hawassa fiasco, even if you were not responsible for the results, you are by extension. And who said political parties cannot make coalitions, I though you believed in coalitions, don’t you anymore?

            As for the veto power, anyone who reads the editorial will not equate it to the VETO power as designated for the UN big powers, it is a figure of speech, but you latched on it, though I don’t believe you do not understand how it is used. As part of the AT, I believe there are individuals who wield influence on the opposition affairs, for many reasons, one of them being by political affiliation. You could disagree with the conclusion the AT arrived at, but there is nothing that would make you to go to war over, in a debate. You can always make your point calmly without being too aggressive–something I understand you believe in, calm discourse.

            As for the Ethiopian role, I understand that you have always bsolved the Ethiopian part of any responsibility in the mess the opposition is in. But neither your view nor the AT’s is the the only viewpoint. The AT has made its findings and results of its follow-up, public. You can do the same without acting as if the AT doesn’t have the right to express itself, and there is no condition attached to the Pencil that you should agree with it. But naturally, I would expect you to recognize it as a viewpoint even if you disagree with it. But disagreeing with the viewpoint of the AT shouldn’t take you to the extent of trashing your (supposedly) allies. No one should act as if they are absolved of any interest as Eritreans–we all have stakes in what goes on. If for anything, the useless cycle since the Hawassa debacle should be enough evidence that things has not been moving forward at all. And in a playground, where there are many players, it is not tenable to argue that one of the players is an angel, while the rest are all devils. The performance of a joint endeavor cannot be blamed entirely on one side by entirely absolving the other. Both Ethiopians and the Eritreans are in that joint endeavor, and as such, the performance of both is so far despicable.

            Finally, I believe the ambitious would-be Fitewraris and Dejezmatchs, masquerading as “civil associations”, were the main hurdle that brought the opposition to where it is–and they were encouraged by the Ethiopians and Eritreans alike. It’s a joint decision that went awry.

            Emma, even Tes who was not in the congress identified it correctly–how do you deny that? Please calm down and make your points instead of going on an attack mode.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Tes can not know them more than me Saleh. We have gone many rounds on the issue of the opposition and your knowledge on ENCDC is second hand as you are not member of ENCDC. I found your report one sided that is why we are always on conflict on the stand of the opposition. I think we know our positions and we debated enough on them and let us live as is and history will sort it out.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            Which is my report that found one-sided”?

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            You wrote this;

            “Tes can not know them more than I know them, Saleh.”. Please be kind.

            I read almost 40 articles of yours. Unless you were not honest on what you wrote, what I am responding is based on your general political views.

            Personally I am not interested in the politics of behind the curtail, the gossiping politics. What I am interested is on what you communicate to the public.

            Please refrain yourself from saying you don’t know. I hate this word when it is too politicized.

            Be honest as I usually consider you.

            tes

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Let me pick your take here:

            1. [They] are not ready to come together to fight with one common plan to emancipate our people from the grip of the despot.

            I think They is with the absence of you. I ca not find you. Where are you?

            2. To my surprise, there are some organizations without shame, which claim the driving seat belong to them, if not they subotage the common goal of the struggle.

            I don’t know to whom you are criticizing and this is what is killing the opposition camp – generalizing, but politics and political power works in that way. There is always one force that wants to dominate unless there is a an equal force that challenges the other. No matter how immoral this power can be, it always exists. You havewitnessed this throughout your struggle period.

            What I want to ask is, is there any other force that can compete with this shameless[emphasis mine] organization(s) and remind that competition or domination is a competition? If your answer is NO, I think they can have logical reasoning to claim so.

            I can understand your concern – as an independent participant, it can hurt you and may be you could say that competition or domination is needed so that the political direction can have a definite path. Otherwise a political organization without a willingness to compete will only be toy for the enemy.

            In response of the reasons for forging different forces within ENCDC, you wrote:

            The commission saw

            (a) the composition as a microcosm of the Eritrean people will help to build trust within our societies

            (b) to exercise parliamentary process to learn how to legislate and to execute from the common agreement

            (c) to reduce political competition within the political organizations until the fall of the dictator, start constitutional process and establish rule of law in Eritrea, where real political parties could compete peacefully.

            My God.

            These reasons are just useless. I wanted to discuss all but i think it is simple to say if ENCD failed, its basic reasoning for the formation must be responsible and no one else.

            What made my head feel like an electric shock is the reason mentioned in (b).

            Dear Amanuel, it is shame to consider ENCDC as a center of political process excercise. This is ridiculous and funny. I thought ENCDC is center of power to fight against PFDJ. When people are dying, ENCDC are practicing parlimanetary process. hmm.

            I am not denying the need for excercise. But to have as part of the motives for the establishment of ENCDC is simply nonesense.

            Any organization, be it political, business, civic, whatever it is – Human Resources Development is part of growth and improvements. There could workshops, trainings, formal or informal education, that can be designed to develop skills of the members.

            But the umbrella’s objective is different. It is not a school. It is a political house where political decisions need to be taken.

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat, ENCDC need to be redsigned. I think political organizations should take their right position and and others, especially Civic Societies should know their basic notion. Otherwise they will create a damage that can not be repaired easily.

            tes

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amanuel H., apropos ‘veto power’, when some very important individuals with some vital leverage of unknown sort could hold the ENCDC umbrella hostage and hamper its progress for years, it tells us how weak and loosely twined the organization is.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,

            Sorry for the delay; I just saw you response. To be clear, my point was triggered by the prescription you suggested rather than the malaise per se. I understood that as a non-starter, and could not have come from a sober and erudite mind that you have. I felt such ill-considered comment could have only come in a state of anger and frustration. I am no pretending that the situation is perfect and frustration is not justified. No, what I wanted to state was that a prescription that may be given to cure could kill the patient by its poisonous side effects.

            Nobody is happy about the painful situation in which the whole opposition camp is in. I can understand the frustrations genuine justice and freedom seekers feel about the hard to justify failures being committed. The opposition arena with all its components is not healthy. No group or faction could consider itself flawless and shun the blame to others. This space does not allow to engage in narrating the genesis and intricacies of the matter.

            Briefly put, we are all on board the sinking ship. You will agree with me that you and me, and a lot many other compatriots who have been following the opposition work as well the actors for long, are unaware about where things went wrong. At this stage, the best service we can offer is to help the youth to know past so that they may be able to chart their way to the present and future. The experience of the opposition camp and various factions in it is not an exception.

            Regards

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