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Ethiopia Reiterates Its Acceptance of The Boundary Ruling

Sources from Ethiopia indicated that PM Abiy Ahmed is expected to issue a directive to release many prisoners remaining in jail, some of them since 2012.

Lately, the government of PM Abiy has emptied many prisons around the country. The released prisoners include opposition members, journalist, and other political prisoners. However, the release did not include individuals arrested after the Awalia school crisis of 2012.

The Awalia school protests erupted after officials of the school and other Muslim activists protested the alleged government interference in the private affairs of the school. However, government sources alleged its clampdown on the Awalia school protests was because of the infiltration of extremist Muslims activists who were agitating the Muslim community. The protests resulted in the arrest of hundreds of protesters who expanded their demonstration to the Anwar Mosque in the heavily populated area of Mercato.

While the government ordered imams to get reoriented by its choice of a Muslim group known as Ahbash (Abyssinians), many Muslims considered that an interference by the government in their private religious affairs. The move by the government was also resisted by the overwhelming Ethiopian Muslims,  largely Suffis, who do not subscribe to the teachings of AlAhbash or the Wahabi strain of Islam. Apparently, the government’s move to introduce AlAhbash’s Muslim teachings was intended to curb the growing influence of the Saudi sponsored Wahabi teachings.

It remains to be seen whether the prime minister will maintain these policies that were implemented by the government of late PM Meles Zenawi in 2012.

An ex-board member of the Awalia school said, “Islam is not new to Ethiopia and it is deeply rooted, we do not need anyone to dictate to us what type of Muslims, we should follow.” He added, “we do not condone fanatic Wahabi teachings developed in Saudi Arabia, nor AlAhbash’s teachings developed in Lebanon.” The AlAhbash movement was founded by the Ethiopian scholar Abdullah al-Harari  in the mid 1980 in Lebanon in Lebanon.

Meanwhile, reports from Ethiopia indicate that the Ethiopian government has reiterated its old position of accepting the Algiers agreement and the decision of the Eritrean-Ethiopian Boundary Commission (EEBC). Officially, both countries have accepted the decisions. However, while Ethiopia insisted on a dialogue between the two countries before demarcation of the border, Eritrea has been adamantly demanding the implementation of the decision immediately.

The two countries have signed the Algiers Peace Agreement on Dec 12, 2000, and the EEBC delivered its decision to the two countries in 2002. However, the “Final and Binding” decisions were never implemented, and the region still lives in a no-peace-no-war situation since the war ended in June 2000. Tens of thousands of soldiers from both sides lost their lives in the border war.

According to the BBC Amharic Service, the EPRDF Executive Committee regular meeting indicated it will accept the Algiers agreement reached between Eritrea and Ethiopia after the end of the border war that the two countries fought almost two-decades ago.

The committee also called to end the “misunderstanding between the people of the two brotherly countries in order to create a lasting peace.”

The Ethiopian government also explained that it accepts the Algiers agreement and the decision of the Eritrea Ethiopian Border Commission in its totality and will work diligently towards its implementation. It also called on the Eritrean government to reciprocate.

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  • FishMilk

    Hello All. Again, this forum needs to now focus on articulating a post-Badme strategy for dealing with PIA/PFDJ, so as to hold it truly accountable for fundamental rights of ts citizens. Some here are getting unnecessarily stuck in the past or spending time on proportionately insignificant issues, neither of which will not stop a rolling train (withdrawal from Eritrean) from happening.

  • Taazabi

    Awotes
    sometimes I wonder if your readers talking point and agenda
    is Gender and Gender roles or boarder politics and public opinions.
    Anyways, I will be back for both issues soon

  • Selam All,

    PM Abiy’s acknowledgement of acts of terror against the ethiopian people by security officials may make some people sleepless. This will bring the previous tplf/eprdf government face to face with the people of ethiopia, so that both will see the ethiopian reality over the last quarter century.

    He says that “security institutions tortured and committed “terrorist acts” against its own citizens”.”Terrorist acts were committed by us (meaning tplf/eprdf government), and using force just to stay in power is a terrorist act” said the pm.

    In addition , he is planning to abolish the infamous anti-terrorism law.

    There is the so called “crime and punishment”, and the question now is, can he bring the criminals to the court of law so that justice is done? PM Abiy is deconstructing the tplf system of government (the tplf state), and it is only right ethiopians give him support so that reform continues until democracy comes to the land.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Horizon,

      I think some sort of investigation and reconciliation (compensation, apology etc) may be good idea, but actually going back and bring people to justice is stretching too far.

      No matter how cruel the TPLF/ EPRDF might been, they were elected by the people and the parliament have authorized those legal documents such as the anti terror law etc.

      Yes, he has the power if the parliament agrees to change the law, replace the law or what ever his vision and agenda is, so long as he has the majority support of the parliament but I think that’s as far as he can go if the federation is to work and move forward.

      Berhe

      • Selam Berhe Y.,
        In Africa, crime and punishment do not go together unfortunately due to the extent of the crime and the number of criminals, and the only solution available is the south African type of reconciliation.

        Citizens do not elect a government to treat them inhumanly, nor does a democratic parliament authorize a government to terrorize its citizens. Remember, tplf was both the legislative and executive body, the government and the parliament, and therefore authoritarian

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon,

          I personally do not like and I do not agree, any explanation that comes in “Africa”. I am not saying this specifically to you but, I don’t think it’s good idea that we are subhuman and incapable of doing the right thing.

          I was just listening the video of PM speech and also the reaction of the people from Addiss. I think the people have reacted very positively and honestly I think the people are speechless and couldn’t figure out where he was and where he come from. Few people even said, he was send to us by God.

          Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            There is this saying “U got to be careful what comes of ur mouth”
            U or isem, one of u were advocating the importance of hate and hate speech a while ago here in awate, is that u ? Do u still think it is important? I mean the people of tigrai is in trouble. What do u thik?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I like you because you got rid of blink for me:) so I will not want to fight with you.

            No, I never said “hate speech is good”, I know my friend iSem will not say such stuff either.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Don’t be so sure. Ask him before u sure about him, he even said he scape from eritrea dressing like a woman when he was 15 or something.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I don’t need to ask him anything, i know for a fact that he would not support “hate speech” of any kind. If you are confused, may be he said he hates the PFDJ, I can believe you. I too hate the PFDJ as well.

            I don’t believe what you said that he dressed like a women to leave Eritrea, but if he did so what?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Now we making progress, at least aman and horizon r talking , if tplf has to go to prison or not.
            Anyways, isem. It tells everything about him and commitment to eritrea and freedom:).

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy, You are absolutely right. not only Semere Andom dressed like a little girl to scape Eritrea but he even managed to paint his finger nails to complete the crossing of the border. Now when he talks a man, it amazes me. He had a chance to be the man but what worst can one do rather than put a little girl’s dress to scape? the perfect definition of coward.

          • iSem

            Hi Teodros:
            when did Nitricc first tell you that I said I escaped Eri dressed a girl? was it on ur first date after he first caught your eye

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam isam
            What u said above is a prove that u dress like a girl and even u use lipstick .
            But no Nitricc didn’t told me , i read u arguing with him it is not a girl , it is a women.

          • iSem

            TA
            This proves that you are what I said you are. You are lying.If you do not believe ask your your boy friend Nitricc when he charges his 101010 (binary) brain cell he talks truth
            Next time debate on issues not on untruths told by when nitricc is uncharged and you guys our going out

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam isem
            It is a forum, what u wright here tells who u r and u prove ursef again and again. normal self respecting person will not say what u said above , unless a guy with women….and lipstick.
            In most countries ur sin is punishable by dea.

          • iSem

            TA;I am to fight back u lie about me.
            It is a forum, yes, but like any space u are not supposed to attack me with a lie or things I never said

            If u were kidding I take humor and make sure that u mention that u are joking in some way

            if not do not threaten me with punishment: rule do not lie, if u do and that lie attacks ppl u will be insulted

            agree?

            if u have issues with my opinions u can attack them and even call them stupid,but do not lie about things I did no say dressed like a girl

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam isem
            U have been arguing with Nitricc a while ago about scaping from eritrea dressed like a .. ? That was am talking about.

          • iSem

            Hi TA:
            Yed i was arguing and I know what I said. I did not say what you siad I said. I remember everything I said and especially what I said how I came. Nitricc is a pathological liar, he even said TPLF helped me escape. If u want emulate him, fine, just do not lie about me, it degrades the talk. But u are welcome to take apart my arguments regarding eri and ethio and everything in between

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam isem
            It just a question, did u say something a while ago about the importance of hate?

          • Now inc.

            TA,
            You are conveniently changing the topic. You accused him of running away like a girl and he denies that. And you are jumping to a different topic before concluding this one.
            Say you were wrong or bring the witness (Nitricc) to bayto.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          Your statement made me to ask you a question. The question is: How many has/had seats in the 108 seats of “house of Federation” and in the 547 seats of “people’s house representatives”? After all the “parliament” and the “legislative body” is the same, because you made double entry accusation for the same thing.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            It is not really the number of seats that mattered most, but the power tplf derived and commanded from all directions including the military, the security and its armed militias. Remember, even tplf itself says that opdo, andm and others came from tplf’s womb, and they were impotent and their freedom to maneuver were limited. Tplf was omnipotent despite the number of its seats in parliament or in the government until about 3 yrs ago, when sister parties in the coalition started to become self-assertive exploiting the unstable political situation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            So the members of OPDO and ANDM in the parliaments are members of TPLF. Horizon as if you run out of accusation, you accuse the Tigray kilil of dominating the parliament which is false. Second you didn’t answer my question. Your answer is irrelevant to my question. Be honest to demand honesty.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            Opdo and andm are members of the eprdf and not members of tplf. Tplf dominated the parliament because it dominated the military is your own conclusion, not mine.
            Are you denying that tplf was the dominant party in the eprdf coalition and therefore in the government, and in parliament as well, as long as any bill it brought to parliament could pass without any complaint, and most of the bills were brought under the direction of tplf, be it the anti-terrorism or the ngo laws, etc.
            Why didn’t the opdo vote against the anti-terrorism law then and wants to abolish it now. Simply, it couldn’t dare at the time.
            Don’t dwell on the number of seats, but what each party can do and cannot do within the eprdf coalition ruled by tplf. What, if tplf has 38 seats out of the 547. It means nothing when it controls everything and the rest are simply marionettes.
            Finally, it is better we leave out the honest thing, if you can, because if we start to examine who is honest and who is not, it will take us nowhere.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,
            Do you know Horizon. Still, instead answering my question you are talking about irrelevant to my question. Answer straight to my question to understand whether Tigray kilil dominate the Ethiopian parliament. I do not need your explanation I just need answers to my question.

            Second, the answer you gave me to my question initially was, TPLF dominate the army and security. So it is simple and logic for me from your answer, to understand that, if it dominate the army it means it dominate everything. I am not putting in your mouth, it is your answer. If you can not score from direct answering, you have the option not to. Beside, you could accept you error when you say Tigray dominates the legislative.

            Third, EPRDF has of equal composition of the parties that constitute the “Front”. They equally responsible to the bad and good that happened to the nation. Do not try to exonerate the other parties that are part of the ruling front.

            Fourth, Actually you have a functioning parliament – a parliament that could not be dictated by the whims of the executive. Why? Because when the your parliament declared for war in 1998, the head of the executive, the then PMMZ didn’t want to go to war and voted against it. According your constitution, the parliament had the “power of war” and decided the Ethiopian people to go to war. The prime minister then had to execute it as head of state. The same the parliament decided for the SOT.

            Fifith, if you call the state of Ethiopia as the state of TPLF, you are also implying the current state of Ethiopia under PMAA is the state of “Oromia”. If this is the attitude of Ethiopians on the “Ethiopian state” and its image, it is not good at all and not good for the much needed unity of your country. Be careful of what you are writing and wishing, your country men and women are reading it,

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            I know u r doctor,
            Forget horizon, there is a system called democratic centeralizm, now that chanhed .
            U want me explain what that mean?

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            Is the following your question or not “How many does TPLF (Tigray kilil) has/had seats from the 108 total seats of “house of Federation” and from the 547 total seats of “peoples’ house representatives” to dominate the legislative body?”. I am trying to tell you that numbers whether 38 in the parliament, 45 each in the council or 9 each in the executive committee is immaterial, because the other eprdf coalition parties are subordinate to tplf. That was the reality. The other parties in the eprdf coalition were the brainchild of tplf on its way to addis in order to appease ethiopians so that it can rule with minimum resentment from the people.

            You are trying to play with words like tigray and tigray kilil. What is tigray kilil without tplf? Tplf was everything, not tigray kilil or tigray, unless you do not want tplf in the limelight to be able to exonerate it, and you say that it should not take the responsibility alone for the crimes that occured in ethiopia over the last quarter century. You are looking for an accomplice and you say that all parties are equally responsible to the bad and good, as if tplf alone did not control the army with its generals who were the great majority and as if the security was not in its hands, and as if the illusive agazi force did not exist, which carried out the assassinations, while tigray kilil was only 6% of the ethiopian population.

            Yes, tplf and not tigray dominated everything in ethiopia.

            I hope that ethiopia is starting to have a functioning parliament from now on. MZ who did not want to go to war when ethiopia was invaded by eritrea for the known and unknown reasons, did not go to parliament when he gave the order to mow down 200 unarmed civilians in addis in broad daylight after the 2005 elections.

            If the opdo becomes entrenched as tplf was, and it controls the army, the security, the administration and the economy, how else would i label ethiopia other than an “opdo state”.

            You are intrigued, how on earth can the 38 dominate the 509? You are talking as if these are independent parties in a democratic country, and as if party solidarity of the eprdf coalition is not a prerequisite. Why did tplf form a coalition of parties (the eprdf) and did not allow independent parties? Why was the opposition hunted down and attacked? Was it not because tplf was authoritarian and did not want freely functioning parties that could undermine its absolute authority? Why did MZ gun down 200 people in the streets of after the election? Last time you said ethiopia needs a decisive leader like MZ, who was known for his hard-handedness in all his decisions, in the killings and incarcerations, and no man dared to stand against his decisions from the other parties, because of the consequences he might face. If you want to say that all parties were participants in tplf’s crimes so that MZ and tplf are exonerated, unfortunately this assumption does not hold water.
            Finally, sorry, for not being able to answer your question.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Berhe Y. Do you believe that 2005 was an exemplary election year for the TPLF/EPRDF? Do you believe they were really elected by the people that year?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi FM,

          When did I say it was exemplary? I didn’t count the votes so I couldn’t tell you the actual fact. What we can base our assumption is based on the observers account.

          Berhe

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, this very funny. you know how Ethiopians hate Arabs and yet, Arabs are the one they are bailing out the Ethiopians. If Ethiopians are getting 3B, how much is Eritrean getting? PIA you better get the deal of the century. You got them where you want them. they try everything to get you to kneel down and now they must reward you. Once again you won as you are a winner all the time. it is amazing how this small nation bering down every one to its knee. Long live PIA.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Ras Abi,

    If I am in Awate for decades interacting with you guys, don’t you think I can learn something, even if it is not my cup of tea? Come on buddy.

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Amanuel
      I never expected two things to happen at awate
      1) Amanuel Hidrat joking
      2) Raesi Abi being serious
      This Abiye bug is affecting all of us. You have been around for over a decade and only now you learned joking. You are known for throwing towels:)
      Hallelujah!

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Some times it is difficult to discuss with people if they are more on politics than facts. And more complicated difficulties if the politics is ethnic based.

    So let’s assume it is the Eri-Afar and Ethio-Afar who lead the two unfortunate countries by guns. And both governments chose Orthodox Islam instead Orthodox Christian. And to make things more clearly let’s assume the ‘international court’ gave a piece of desert dusty land to Eritrea and the afar government in Ethiopia because it has more guns than the Sothy took the disputed land by force.

    So i as an Ethiopian ruled by an orthodox Islam afar-government i ask this question, dear my afar government in our constitution and the ruling party politics sacred values i am thought first is my ethnic group then the rest Ethiopia. So applying the same logic why my afar government put my ethnic group first policy and then give the disputed land for Eritrea so that afar in north or south wont be harmed by the ‘international’ politics. As far as facts concerned the peace of land belongs to Afar what ever happens. Whether peace of land goes here or there it is only a matter of politics.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Mitiku Melesse,

      Very thought provoking way of looking at the issue of conflict resolution. It subtly lays facts, politics and ideology side by side and playing them parallelly and interactively. I think the allusion is to disputes and conflicts involving ethnic groups that colonial rule had dismembered and made them share common boundaries as independent post colonial multi-ethnic nation states like Ethiopia and Eritrea.

      The logical conclusion here is whether or not land would exchange ownership under ruling politico-ideological governments, facts on the ground would still not change as far as the locals would be concerned. The utility of land will still serve fellow kinsmen of the same ethnic folks on either side of the frontiers because the boarder in their mind is political and imaginary. The realities on the ground wouldn’t change, and the customary and traditional human relations and interaction would continue as it had been in the past. They will still find ways to manage cross boarder marriages and contacts between dismembered families.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Selam Ismail AA
        Our cities and diaspora-lands producing a dangerous superficial peoples of ‘ours’. Unfortunately they are directing our destiny. This provokes me to insanity in a daily basis. Their goal is to achieve the material advantage for themselves and their close ones in propagating whatever type of listeners they find as long as it leads to money. A supporter of woyane-government could be found pretending a die-hard opposition member. The same goes for Eritrea. Our values based on the majority differs beyond word can explain in values our diasporas together with our government reflect and practices.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Mitiku Melesse,

          Your take on the impact of the burden of politics on diaspora as compared to those inside home countries is understandable. The carrying of the risks by controlled activists and counterparts operating in free environments cannot even remotely comparable. And, in real terms, the diasporas could only be supportive and complementary if they could harness their efforts in judicious ways that could benefit fellow country men and women inside the countries of origin.

  • Selam A.T.,
    Any idea why i am getting on a daily base now the message “your connection is not private”, and access to comments is blocked by google chrome, only to be able to connect latter on. I have been getting this message for a time now, but recently it has become on a daily basis. I googled and found out that i could have the wrong date, but there is no problem with the date on my computer, smartphone or tablet. I do not know other ways to solve the problem. What could be the reason? Anybody can help.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi again,
    3A is making several decisions at the same time and complicating matters than solving them. Of all his decisions,;the only part I agree his move to relieving and retieing senior officials. They have been in position for too long. But again, the cosmetic character he is, he refilling their place with useless and worst people. And all too fast and reckless decision. For example, consider Abadula: within 8 months, he has moved a lot left-righ and high-low faster than a fly. He relieved himself from speaker, then returned to the post, then left again and then appointed as security advisor to the PM with a rank of a minister, then appointed to a new post as chief person in charge of oversight ingredients anti corrupt officials. This last appointment was funny because Aba Dulla himself is a well established Aba Corruption. And then, and then last week, we heard he was made retire too. What is all this recklessness! This will give you how decisions are being made without due considerations.
    To share some points with you on the most important and most scary decisions of his party and government of last week:
    I try to follow the recent privitization talks on TV. Interestingly, they all have chosen (decided, or have been instructed) to line up advocates. Not a single word on the coming layoffs, price hikes and the inevitable massive corruption. Not a single analysis on the benefits/disbenefits of the >200 privatized COs since 1994, and lessons learnt; not to speak of any reference to the experiences of other African countries, India and Brazil, etc.

    On top of that, I learnt that GMO has been approved, only 3 days after Bayer bought Monsanto for $63bn. Interestingly, Bayer is going to get rid of the brand name, because “Monsanto has become a lightning rod for anti-GMO activists”.

    Just four African countries — Burkina Faso, Egypt, Sudan and South Africa –allow the cultivation of GMO crops, specifically, Bt cotton. In Africa, only South Africa grows GM food, allowing the cultivation of GM corn and soybeans. Bt cotton is under Moratorium in Benin, Senegal and Mali, countries for which cotton is their coffee. And 10 are still carrying out field tastes.

    Some one who worked for a USAID funded cotton improvement project in five West African countries that produce cotton (Mali, Senegal, Benin, Chad and Burkina Faso) told me a lot of horror stories. Many decided Moratorium and decided to go for Organic Cotton. They are slowly gaining over the environment aware consumers of EU and the USA.
    As for privitization, India is democratic, has a relatively developed industry and human capital as well as a vibrant public intellectual and research institutions, Brazil has a bigger middles class, South Africa is democratic and has developed industry, banking and a well organized and fighting labor. Nigeria with all its natural wealth and human capital is no where because of corruption. It privatized its telecom some 10 years back, but though penetration has increased, tariff is still high, connectivity remains poor; also because continued current interruption.
    Ethiopians should not be fooled by what is deceptively glittering. Talks and looks are cheap. Some people must do the serious thinking and save the country and the region. Ethiopia as a glove state is clearly on the making for the first time in history! A person who is care-free on whom to release will turn to be imprisoning people at at will. There has never been a true blanket justice on incriminating as well as de-incriminating. Too fast too soon.
    I will have a line or two reflecting on what the new guy came out with regarding to the EthioEritrea later given my time allows.
    Hayat

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat,
      Why you link GMO with 3A administration?

      Thanks

      • Abi

        Hi Mez
        Consider yourself lucky she didn’t link 3A with UFO.

        • Hayat Adem

          Ras Abi,
          Word is Colonel Abebe GERESSU was a traitor from the Ethiopian army during the Ethio Eri war. That is even an understatement. He was an agent of the other side who played a role in putting the Ethiopian soldiers under his command in harm’s way deliberately in the central front (Tsorena) He led them to a boxed trap and send info to the enemy and had them perished from waves of artillery hits and then escaped to this side of the Mereb and joined the infamous OLF. Now he is back in Addis.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Mez,
        Because his administration is the one that has signed for it recently for the first time after Ethiopia had successfuly resisted for long. It was one point to show how he is an acting agent for the liberal powers of the West. He started with Bt Cotton, next coukd be the cereals. Actually it is more and more alarmingly dangerous where he is taking the country. His groomers tell him, he acts. No national considerations accounted; No questions asked. Unidentified Forgery Ordained (UFO).

        • Mez

          Dear Hayat,

          1) The decission on GMO cotton was done like two years ago; by PMHD.
          2) GMO is a big issue, it is a lifelong issue. We must have to deal with its implementation policies (like water, soil, forest, ecology…)
          3) I beg you to differ on your UFO thing. PM-AAA came to this position as the best answer to the challenges by EPRDF.

          Thanks

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei.
      It is sad Ethiopia is away from tigrians dictators. Their sympatizors shows their disappointment openly and it is just normal.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi,
    How dare America escorts an innocent Eritrean to death and gets away with that! Feeling sad and angry! ZERESENAY ERMIAS in mind.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Hayat,
      That was a very sad news. I wonder if there will be more deportations to Eritrea. There was some news report about 700 individuals that the US wished to deport. In fact the US visa policy for Eritreans changed due to Eritrea’s refusal to accept deportees. I wonder if there is some new agreement between US and Eritrea and there might be an increase in the number of deportations.

  • Kbrom

    Hi all,

    To begin with, I do apologise for being what SJ calls ጭሩ መስከረም።

    In regard to the new development re: Ethiopia’s (BTW is it EPRDF’s until is endorsed by the parliament) announcement to accept the EEBC ruling without precondition; this is my two cents opinion.

    The issue at hand is not as simple as many of us think – it will be complicated and will take time. It has its background history and context; it is not as abrupt as many of us think. It has unseen players who have a great say on the issue and on the two sides that we are expecting them to dance.

    I do think the process, the understanding, the decision and counter decision, the reading of what the EEBC and other pertinent commissions had announced and issued before, the affected peoples’ reaction from both sides, the role of international community, the new military landscape in the region, the contingency plan of both governments, the direct and proxy war, the difficulties of the rule of engagement between an institutional government in Ethiopia (relatively) and a country that is ruled by one man’s Zarti etc. is something that should not be absent from our discussion.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Kbromay,

      Where have you been Brother. We have missed your inputs for sometime. Don’t be “ጭሩ መስከረም”. Welcome back.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Kbrom,
      Good to hear from you. እዛ ጭሩ መስከረምን፡ ዑፍ መስቀልን ሓደ ድየን? ስእላ እነሃልካ።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        My understanding, yes they are. They are interchangeable depending how different locals call it.

      • Kbrom

        Selam Haile and Emma

        What about ቅርቅረ!

        • Haile S.

          Hi Kbrom,
          ቅርቅረ is honeyguide different from Red Bishop (ዑፍ መስቀል). Sorry for diverting your serious discussions to the winged species.

          • Kbrom

            Hi Haile

            No it is relevant because we need to know which side of the border will be the Red Bishop (ዑፍ መስቀል) and ቅርቅረ honeyguide in case the demarcation line passes through them when landed.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Kbrom,

      Glad to have you back. We missed when we needed you most. I agree with you about the complexity of the matter. After all it involves resolution of a conflict in the aftermath of terrible war that cost deaths and injuries of thousands. It will be more difficult for the Ethiopian side where the injured have some space to voice their concerns as compared to the Eritrean side where there is total suffocation under one-man despotism.

      • Kbrom

        Selam Ismail

        Thank you for the warm welcome. I was just discussing the issue with saay please see below my post and give me your idea.

        Please see below

        Looking forward to read your article; I am sure it will be a masterpiece as usual.

        I do not want to pre empt your article but just wanted to say “leave it to the people” is not ‘ሰይ ኮታ’. Believe me the people from Eritrea would also have complex and impacting issue especially in the area of Tsorona. Meret is so dear in the culture and values of the Eritrean people. Just because they are silenced under the current siege by the brutal regime does not necessarily mean they will not make a tough resistance when the time comes. Remember the adage ንርስቲ ይዋገኣላ ኣንስቲ meaning (as per the chauvinist patriarchal society) let alone the male; the women would fight for their land.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Kbrom,

          It’s with the essential interest of local inhabitants on both sides of the boundary line in mind that I and many in this forum required the regime in Asmara to not squander the arisen prospect for peace by arrogant posturing and posing moribund implement-before-talking precondition.

          Having seen how precondition on the part of the Ethiopians have stalled for more than a decade and half the shaking up of the no-war-no-war condition that disproportionally damage the interest of our people, the stubborn machismo propensity of the dictator can abort the reasonable chance for peace that re-setting of priorities in Ethiopia under the new administration has offered. For sure, the next move will have to be premised on productive diplomacy and useful dialogue, and on more than government to government levels, if peace making would have chance.

          If such a process will opted, legal and politico-diplomatic expertise will find it crucially supportive to involve the real stakeholders on the ground. Their wisdom in dispute resolution and experiences of co-existence through generations reinforced by blood relations would be valuable references to negotiators to craft deals that guarantee lasting peace, and allow the customary and traditional interaction of the past to cement peaceful life among ordinary farmers and herdsmen in the affected areas. Arm-chair diplomacy alone would not settle disputes that will flare up at contiguous points along common boarders. Involving the locals through committees would be clever move politicians and diplomats should not ignore.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Sir Kbrom,

      እንኳዕ ብድሓን መጻእኻ ዝሓወይ !!

      KS,,

      • Kbrom

        Dear Kokhobay

        ኮኾብ መሬት ኮኾብ ሰማይ
        እንኳዕ ደሓን ጸናሕካለይ
        ህዱእ ቃንኡ ሰንሶሎማይ
        ኣርሓቢ ቤት ጋሻ ተቐባላይ

        • Kokhob Selam

          ክቡር ክብሮማይ ሓወይ l:-

          ትሕሾ ድኣ ትሕሾ::-

          KS,,

    • Amde

      Welcome back Gash Kibrom

      • Kbrom

        Amde

        I miss your insightful analysis. Now you are done with Getachew and Samora.. what next. I have heard PMAA met with Azeb told her that Meles was disrespected by TPLF and that the long awaited Meles Foundation will be launched soon, his government will fund the foundation and no one else but Azeb would be the Founder and Director of the Foundation. ሹክሹክታ እና ተባለ!

      • Ismail AA

        ሰላም ጋሽ ዓምደ።
        ምን ነው ዘገየህብን። ያስለመድከን የሃገር ሁኔታ ሪፖርት እየጠበቅን ነን።

    • MS

      Ahlan Kbrom
      Good to see you back ሓይስ መለሀይ. So, how was your trip to Asmara, Keren, and ላ ክልአ ሀይገት?

      • Kbrom

        Merhababu MS

        ሓይስ መለሀይ

        ሞዳይ ደሓን ሃላ ኣስመራ ምስል ቢራሃ ከረን እብ ሓሊባ ወ መሳዋዕ እብ ሰመካ ረከብናሃ። ሸዓብ ምን ኩሉ እስትዕማር እሊ ናይ ሻዕብየት እስትዕማር ለሓይስ ልብል ሃላ፡ ግላ ሸዓብ ሑኩመት ወእስትዕማር ፈርግ ኣለቡኒ።

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam all,

    Here is General Tsadkan commenting about peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia in relations the border issue. Make something from it about the prospect of the new Ethiopian decision on the Ethio-Eritrean border conflict. From his comment it looks that TPLF is fully behind the government’s decision.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pcRbwg83bpM&feature=share

    • saay7

      Emma:

      Are you sure u shared the right link? Here Teadkan is being Tsadkan: nothing in the video shows he supports Abiyes decision to embrace EEBC. Nothing he shows he is opposed to it. He is just making an alibi for historians because he was part of the team that didn’t resolve the issue, he was part of the pro-war constituency which he now says “we had to do what we had to do” and now he is saying “leave it to the people.” As they say ሰይ ኮታ

      This morning I heard VOA Tigrinya interview with a weyane official. My god these guys have been lying to their people for so long they will have to spend the next 5-10 Years just focused on fixing the state of affairs in Tigray. That answers your question Amde: why is Abiy doing this now? He wants the TPLF to be so busy fixing the mess it has created in Tigray it won’t have any time to bother him in Addis 😉😉😉

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        You might be right. But since I have “grievance’s ears only” (by now you should know me) and because I heard the grievances of the “Tsorona people” (that few days ago I posted here) and the grievances of the Irob people, I interpreted it as “let us lend our ears to the people”. Then, let us wait to see how this issue will unfold.

        regards

      • Kbrom

        Selam saay

        Looking forward to read your article; I am sure it will be a masterpiece as usual.

        I do not want to pre empt your article but just wanted to say “leave it to the people” is not ‘ሰይ ኮታ’. Believe me the people from Eritrea would also have complex and impacting issue especially in the area of Tsorona. Meret is so dear in the culture and values of the Eritrean people. Just because they are silenced under the current siege by the brutal regime does not necessarily mean they will not make a tough resistance when the time comes. Remember the adage ንርስቲ ይዋገኣላ ኣንስቲ meaning (as per the chauvinist patriarchal society) let alone the male; the women would fight for their land.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Kbrom,

          They have already echoed their grievances. The problem with us Eritreans is, generally we do not have ears for grievances. I have observed it in the last have century. Our usual reaction is “አበይ ክበጽሕ’ዩ ወይ አበይ ክበጽሑ እዮም::” ስለዝኾነ ኸአ ክንባታተን ንውዕል አሎና::

          • Kbrom

            Hi Emma

            እቲ ዝዓበየ ሽግርና ኩሎም ዘይንቡር ናብ ንቡር ተቐይሮምሲ ከም መዓልታዊ ህይወትና ምውሳድና ኢዩ።

            ናይ ሎሚ ኤርትራዊ ቋንቋ ንኣብነት ኣስተብህል፡ከምሰበይ ኣብ ሓምሻይ ዙርያ ሃገራዊ ኣገልግሎት ከይደ፡ ከምሰበይ ኣብ ሕርሻ ናይ ጀነራል ተኽለ ማንጁስ ተመዲበ እንዳሰራሕኩ፡ ከምሰበይ ኮብሊለስ፡ ኣብ ተሃድሶ ከም ሰበይ 2 ዓመት ተኣሲረ፡ ደሓር ሓደ ዝደስከለ ኣኮይ ነይሩ ቀደም ነቲ ኮለነል ስለዝፈልጦ ዝነበረ ንዕኡ ተዛሪቡ ኣውጺኡኒ። መሊሰ ከምሰበይ ናብ ስግረ ዶብ ኪኸይድ ከለኹ ብእንዳ ጸጥታ ግንባር ተታሒዘስ ምስ ሰበይ ናብ እንዳ ኣቦይ ርጉም ኣብ ኣንደር ነይረ፡ ደሓንየ ነዊሕ ኣይገበርኩን ሓደ ሰለስተ ዓመት ጥራይ ምስጸናሕኩ ከምቲ ሰብ ዝገብሮ ንኮለነል ከረንፎት ጉቦ ሂቦም ስድራይ ኣውጺኦምኒ። መወዳእቱኡ ከምሰበይ ብሱዳን ወጺአ ቁሩብ ን2 ዓመት ከም ሰበይ ኣብ ሊብያ ኣብ መዝረዓ ሸቂለ፤ ኣብኡ ከለና ሓንቲ ጓል ሓትነይ ውን ከም ሰባ እቶም ሊብያውያን ከምዝተጋሰስዋ ሰሚዐ ደሓር ከም ሰበይ ብባሕሪ ጌረ መጺአ ………. እቲ ዘይውዳእ ዘሕዝን ዛንታ ከምሰበይ ከምዚ እንዳበለ ይቕጽል።

            እቲ ዝዓበየ ሽግር እዚ ኢዩ። ኣብዚ ናይ ሎምቅነ ጉዳይ እንተስተብሂልካ፡ ኤርትራውያን ብዛዕባ እቲ ብትዕቢት ነቲ ጉዳይ ከም ዱኳን እንዳዓለብኡ ሒዙ ብውልቁ ዝውስን ተደለየ ዘጽቅጥ ተደለየ ዘስተናዕቕ መራሒኦም ዘይተዛረቡ ብዛዕባ ቀዳማይ ሚኒስተር ኣቢ፡ ብዛዕባ መግለጺ ህወሓት ክዛረቡ ትርኢ። ካብዚ ዝኸፍእ ነብሱ ዘዋርድ ሰብ ክትርኢ ዘይሕሰብ ኢዩ። ከምዚ ተኸሲቱ ዘሎ ሃገራዊ ጉዳይ ኣብ ዝመጸሉ እዋን ፡ ብባይቶ ብምምኽኻር ህዝቢ ኢዮም ዝውሰኑ፡ እነሆ ግን ይትረፍ ህዝቢ እቶም ‘ላዕለዎት ሰበስልጣን’ ዝሳጎኦም ሰባት እውን ዝፈልጥዎ የብሎምን ክሳብ እቲ ኣብ ዓዲ ሃሎ ዘሎ ወናኒ ህዝብን ሃገርን ጉዳያቱን ቆለኡ ዝበሎ ዝእዝዝን ዝገብርን። ኣየ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ!

            እቲ ዝሓየለ ኣጽዋር መላኺ ልሙስ ኣእምሮ ግዳያቱ ኢዩ! ዘሕዝን ክስተት ኤርትራውያን።

          • Saleh Johar

            Kibrom,
            You absconded! Koblilka and you know the punishment for that–it’s in the story you told us about the Hamshay Zuria guy 🙂
            If you told me you were going to Kerem, I would have asked you bring me some Neem leaves.
            Welcome back.

          • Kbrom

            Hi SalJoharom

            Keren is much much better than Assab. Assab is fully under full UAE control. People are not allowed to move and each vehicle is searched and checked by the UAE soldiers and given or denied permit. ኣንጭዋ ግዳም ንኣንጭዋ ገዛ ኣውጸኣታ ይበሃል።

        • saay7

          Selamat Kbrom:

          Welcome back! You have been missed. Where were you when this guy was changing the Horn:)

          What I was trying to say is the time for “the people” to get involved cannot possibly come from this particular guy because he failed the people when he as appointed as the border commission representative, and he failed the people when the war lobby in Ethiopia was gunning to punish Shawia.

          Otherwise, yes, the people own the issue and, in fact, whenever people use the “EEBC, final and binding ” reasoning, I always ask them to show me where EEBC says this is so final and binding that you, the two parties, the two people, can’t change it. It says, as a matter of fact, if the two of you agree, you can do whatever you want.

          The article just got published. It awaits the verdict of the jury, which is never final and never binding:)

          saay

          • Kbrom

            Dear saay and Ismail ዓበይቲ ዓዲ

            I think the TPLF statement is something that people should see closely and give weight as equally as EPRDF’s statement.
            because:

            a) it is tailored to a specific audience I.e. the people of Tigray and its cadres which will be at the front line of the issue
            b) it takes ownership of the initiative and affirms to its people the new policy came as a result of your calls and our efforts
            c) it states to its people that the TPLF was not only stakeholder on the decision making process at this paradigm shift but advocated in a way that the issue will be handled the people of Tigray want it to be
            d) it reassures to its people that the national interest of the Tigray people will not be jeopardised due to this new policy, if such tendencies appear TPLF will defend it to the last point
            e) it shoulders the next steps and responsibility to PIA and implies the possibility of being rejected by PIA by putting the key words ‘if is ready to accept and implement it’.
            f) the two one million worth concepts in the entire statement are package and dialogue say I need your understanding as to what they mean
            g) the issue at stake is not only demarcation it goes beyond it; that is things to be done by PIA (what do they mean by that)
            h) it makes firm commitment to its people that they will consult and discuss with its people should any issues arise
            i) In its conclusion paragraph the press release did not conclude the statement but it started the statement by saying in the near future the chairman will be making detailed explanation and that has the advantage of
            1) making strong connection with people
            2) bringing the people in their side
            3) people to stay tuned to the principles of the TPLF (not to the confusing media outlets)

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            The safest phrase in the English language is “cautiously optimistic” which I have foolishly banned from my lexicon, along with “time will tell.” I am allowing myself to be wildly optimistic even if I have to look foolish because I think the TPLF cannot dictate national policy.

            This takes us to Amdes question: why would PM Abiye take such a hard case now, when his plate is full? And the answer is that he has the political capital now and every day he is in power it will diminish. At some point, he was to antagonize someone (you can’t make everyone happy) and the group he has chosen to antagonize is the old guards of TPLF (there are no young TPLF leaders) because I think he believes this will force the people of Tigray to rise up against them and force reform. The privatization scheme, which my old pal Elias Amare is still railing about is, in my opinion, forced upon him by (and here’s another phrase I hate) “facts on the ground.” That is, the economic fundamentals force him to do that or something even less popular (remove subsidies on imports, etc)

            saay

          • Kbrom

            saay

            Hope Amde will jump but let me tell you this.

            As you know saay sometimes some one sow the seeds and make all necessary efforts and another one reaps the fruit. Everything PMAA is doing now has been initiated and started by PMHD. Accepting demarcation without condition as well as privatisation was in the pipeline in full gear since March 2017, however PMHD’s efforts did not materialise. How come PMAA is able to do it whilst his predecessor could not? the answer is Querro, a weakened TPLF and a near equalised coalition of EPRDF.

            Call me pessimistic, I do not think we can evaluate PMAA’s government in 70 days; as we can not say ኣየ እዚ ሓዳሮም ክመውቕ ክፋተዉ to couples in their honeymoon because if you really want to know about the couple come back after three years when 2 kids arrive, sister in law and mother in law started to meddle, bridgroom started to say ንዕልቲ ሕማም ኩርምቲ the man started to hide his salary, wife started to compare her life with her neighbour, wife started to ask ኣበይ ኣምሲኻ and the man begins to ask መንዩ ዝደወለልኪ።

            Some one was telling me if you see an Ethiopian man who opens for his wife the car’s door, either the wife or the car is new. ሃለውለው ገዲፈ we can only see PMAA’s government at least after two years, because that is the only time you START to know the trajectory of a system. Honey moon is honey moon be it in politics or in Hadar. Do not forget PIA was among the ‘African Renascence’እሒው! in the first two years.

            I agree ‘TPLF cannot dictate national policy’ but what tPLF is saying is that this new policy came as a result of Tigray’s request, indeed as the prime victims are the people of Tigray they have been asking for resolution. the good thing about this issue is that 1) it has been almost two decade and the main actors who would find it difficult to swallow their pride are no more in power
            2) the people of Tigray have experienced the no war no peace limbo and want to solve it
            3) at least 70% of the people of Tigray (according to my source) are supporting PMAA and telling their TPLF leaders 20 ዓመት ደርቢኹምና ንበይንኹም ዝሃብተምኩም ሕጂ እምባ ኩኑና ትብሉና.

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            Yes you are a pessimist 🙂

            The way I see everything is in relationship to something else. When PMMZ was in charge, EPRDF = TPLF. It was so much the case we used the words interchangeably even as our Ethiopian friends here kept correcting us. When PMHD was in charge, EPRDF = TPLF because he represented a tiny party. With this Abiy in charge (it wouldn’t have mattered if it was Lema according to Amdes “Team Lemma resignation), we can use the word EPRDF and mean it. So to me what we are seeing now is as close a representation of the will of cross-sectional Ethiopian elite as any we have seen in my lifetime. If the Qerro had resulted in an Abadula type of leader (because he was the OPDO chairman) we would not have gotten what we have gotten now. So it’s a lot of factors, but the man holding the title does matter.

            On your question re my deemphasis on Isaias Afwerki and what he will do and why I didn’t mention him, I always assume he will make the least sensible position and it’s not always to his own personal advantage. His problem is he is a one man show and he has no counsel and nobody to tell him “that’s one stupid idea.” And when u don’t have that, no matter how smart or gifted you are, you will make mistakes that have to wait a decade to auto correct itself.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            I do not see any difference in forming their teams in their governments between PMHD in 2015 and PMAA in 2018. I mean in the composition of their team, when you say during PMHD EPRDF=TPLF and in the current PMAA, EPRDF=EPRDF. Second, I agree with Kbrom that you are giving your evaluation too soon, to the current PM before we see tangible success on the ground (whatever his political and economy policy he might have). Third ther is no change in the overall policy of EPRF and I do not think he will have a dominant view on the party to run his own idea. Fourth, any change of policy is the policy of EORDF for he can not have a policy that EPRDF could not backed it. He is only one part of the EPRDF engine. Sixth, though we will learn in the near future his “leadership personality” he looks indecisive in whatever he intend to do, one of the important leadership quality. His rhetorics are impressive, but a leader can not be judged by rhetorics. Give him time at least term and then we shall compare him with his predecessors.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Am sure if dr AAA is a guy from mekele u wouldn’t say what u said above and for sure u will not gonna like him no matter how he will be successful or not because based on ur life experience and opinion here in awate, i don’t think u gonna like him forever.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam TA,

            No my friend. I welcomed his rhetorics, but I can’t judge him by that. I only judge by practical deeds on the ground and the fruits of his management. Actually, I am saying we have to give him time to see what he can/can’t do as leader. Do not criticize and do not praise him before we see the fruits of his administration. Don’t you think so TD?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Everybody manage his life, job based on his/her understanding of the situation, that understanding expressed first by rhetoric, attitude
            And followed by practical action,
            Pm AAA rhetoric is already praised by vast majority of the people of ethiopia and the region at large.
            If u see his practical deeds on the ground and the fruits of his management within two months, it’s morethan satisfactory.
            And for the future it will be depending on the challenge mostly from the power of those who don’t like his rhetoric and the supporter who praised his rhetoric will determine his practical action.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Kemey kemey ?

            1. It’s not premature to recognize what AAA has done in 2 months when it comes to resetting the political tone inside Ethiopia and his refreshing position on Algiers. I believe it was, or will soon be, adopted by the parliament. Ah, the efficiency of meto be meto governance.

            2. In describing the contrast between PM’s MZ, HD and AA, I wasn’t talking about the makeup of their cabinet but who put them in the premiership position. Ask Kbrom for the details: he has given us hints. The bottom line is the TPLF was the dominant by far for the first two PMS and it’s not now.

            3. Can you tell me what “the overall policy of the EPRDF” is for me to agree with whether it’s the same or changed? I asked this of Kaddis and he said the only book they refer to is “How Asia Works” and we know they don’t follow its recommendations. Hayat says they have a “pro poor” policy. But what does that mean?

            4. Agreed. But the difference is the engine is controlled by OzpDO and ANDM.

            5. What happened to fifth Emma?

            6. Really? You and I have a very different understanding of “decisive”. Mine is closer to the one in the dictionary:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            Oops! I miss the fifth. But since you know the questions in the mind of others, you could have answered it. Anyway, back to our difference and here it is: if it isn’t in the composition of their teams – of the PMs, they have equal voices in the “central committee” and the “Executive committee” of EPRDF. Yes during Meles’s his administration was dominated by TPLF, but during PMHD there were two ministerial portfolios that was allotted to TPLF. So I don’t believe any differences between the team of PMHD and PMAA in the composition. This TPLF dominated argument has no any valid proof during PMHD. Second in the composition of EPRDF since its inception all the parties that made the EPRDF had/have equi-power distribution. Third if he is only to be judged by the Algiers agreement position he took, politically it only appeal to us Eritreans. For Ethiopians he will be judged by the over all progress he made to change the quality of life of his people including in bringing peace internally and externally. So brother not yet. Fourth, you asked me who brought the PMs in the premiership position. The answer to it is, without playing the game of politics, it is precisely the 164 members of EPRF central committee. The rest is, all part of the partisan game of politics and hasn’t any factual truth in it.

          • saay7

            Emma arkey:

            Did you just say “just kidding”? Abi, are you paying attention? Emma now has a sense of humor. In that case then, you and I know why you skipped 5th. Because you and I are according to PFDJ 5th columnists (ሓምሻይ መስርዕ) 🙂

            I am going to have to wait for Kbrom to come and explain in detail how the “Central Committee” of the EPRDF functioned in the Meles and Hailemariam era because I think you consider him less biased than me. Hint: not only did Meles have the power to decide who should or shouldn’t be in the central committee of the TPLF, he had the power to do it in the other parties (OPDO, SPDM, ANDM) as well. This was done using carrots and sticks.

            On the new Premiere, I agree that we will know more a year from now, two years from now. But what we are trying to do is forecast based on information we have so far.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aya AdiU,

            I just take it “as the way you see it” never put you in the “bias group”. Of course we might differ in speculation and prediction, and that is given depending on the feedback on the issue. Second, Meles was not only persuasive, but also bold and decisive in giving the direction of the country a determining factor in the current development they have. Did you watch how he fought to make AU to remain in Addis when some African countries tried to move it to South Africa. Did you watch him when he was debating with the world bank, to convince them that the way out for Ethiopia is “developmental state” (check his unfinished thesis) and finally convinced them, and now it becomes the model in most African countries. Did you listen to Eleni G/Medhin speaking about him in her interview when she want to introduce the stock market to Ethiopia? In all these examples , he showed his decisive leadership And many more. The guy is brilliant who was praised by many leaders and economists.

            Talking about the 5th columnist, yes we are considered. But I don’t think they know the meaning of the concept, if you refer to the history of it. Remember I am added to their list way way before you.

            Finally, let me assure you, that our views are becoming closer and closer with time and am happy about it.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            My friend aman, in the first place do u know why some african countries tried to relocate AU from addis to some other place? Because after meles took power and ethnic federalism most african countries think ethiopia is about to disintegrated and they started to advocate to relocate AU before the disintegration. To save Au from meles disintegration policy.
            Let me quote for u Pm AAA saying when he had a meeting with the army , he said ” when the aid and loan grow, stupid people perceived it as if the economy is growing” .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam TD,
            I can’t stop laughing for two minutes. Wow!! Keep up, if it works for you. Really, it is of the Ethnic Federalism that they want to move it from Ethiopia? The argument in the debate was, they want the new building in memory of Mandela. And his argument was that Mandela didn’t contribute to its establishment, rather the emperor did. Ted, I think they are better than you to differentiate the good and bad of ethnic Federalism, depending on the realities of specific countries. You could accuse him of not opening the public sphere and open fair election, but you should not deny his contribution to the economy of the country and keeping the stature of Ethiopia in the AU. Try to open your mind and extract yourself from the circle of hates. Just to give you unsolicited feedback,

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Listen to one of meles interview with local journalist and u will listen the journalist ask him why most african countries r against ethnic federalism and his answer will give u a hint why they think they r against ethnic federalism.
            2, private newspaper before1997 ec reported it so many times about the issue.
            3, economy, i thought u praised PM AAA rhetoric? What happened? Don’t u agree about what he said to the army ” when loan and aid grow stupid people precived it as if the economy is growing”.
            Listen to the whole of the video u will know if u praise his rhetoric or not.

          • Amde

            Hi saay, Kbrom

            I think PMHD was not supposed to have been PM. Much like many corporations, there is such a thing as failing upwards. He had riled up the Sidama in the Southern region, and hence he was effectively without a powerbase in the south. Which made him perfect for moving up to the Federal level. He may have been well intentioned but his leadership style was not… in any case, the kitchen cabinet of በሚንስቴር ማእረግ የ X አማካሪ effectively took over and the rest is bad history.

            Abiy had/has an OPDO powerbase, and is fast gaining a national mystique of almost indispensability. It is amazing how deft he is. He goes to Uganda and gives Museveni a suit with the Oromo colors of Black Red White (not your typical GreenYellowRed). The Rwandan president visits and the breakfast he lays out is a traditional Oromo breakfast, with the servers attired in Oromo cultural attire, and not the classic shemma and Tibeb of the north. Do Museveni or Kagame care what colors they wear or what they eat? No, but they unwittingly became prime Abiyist platforms for the hot Ethiopian internal ethnic politics. The way he is bringing in ex OLF of different stripes is protecting his right flank from the Oromo nationalist flank.

            These trips where he comes back with prisoners and visits people in hospitals – every last one of them gains him devotion in millions of apolitical families. These become important for the non-Oromo especially.

            Who knows what tomorrow brings, but my sense is he is way past needing to fear coups or anything like that. At this point TPLF better hope nothing happens to him, because the public will blame them even if they had absolutely nothing to do with it (ትን ቢለው እንኳን – as someone said) and it wont be pretty.

            And we are just over half of the 100 day mark.

            Amde

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam aman
      It is obvious tplf is behind the new decision, it is part of their plan b. u can also listen former tigrai president gabru’s interview in aiga forum. He said something like “tplf is kicked out of the whole ethiopia and now working on facilitating peaceful environment in the north before using artical 39”.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Hope, thanks for your kindness, I’m doing relatively well, I think it is somewhat cyclic 🙂 Regarding the impasse between Eritrea and Ethiopia, we are all talking about an issue that both sides, the PFDJ and TPLF consider as a secondary issue, i.e., it is very strange to keep insisting on the unconditional implementation of the ruling, while at the same time telling the world that the border issue is just an excuse. If DIA and his PFDJ really mean this, then why can’t they accept the offer from Ethiopia to sit together and resolve the underlying causes? After all the border issue is secondary as per both sides, and hence it can easily be resolved while tackling the main issues, or even after dealing with them?

  • L.T

    Are Salih Younos and Salih Kadi from Tigria?Why I worry about their citizen and their villige roots and their language?why we should care if they came from Shire or from Aden?and why their choose goes to arab mask then to Tigria -Tigrina powerful Agazien kingdom?
    I as L.T I always am proud up and are Agazienst and will fight for it.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,

    Who, is the man missing those days?

    The great BN ( ክቡር በያን ነጋሽ ) ,is he Okey? How, to find out ?

    KS,,

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Kokhob,
      Yes indeed, we are missing contributions from brother Beyan. Hope he is okay, and will surprise us with another educating contribution. These few days, we are dealing with crucial war and peace issues that need inputs from the best among us.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes brother Ismail AA,

        We need him more than ever but as you said “Hope he is okay, and will surprise us with another educating contribution. ” True …

        KS,,

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Ismail and all,
        All of you put too much pressure by addressing Beyan “Dr. Beyan” when he is losing sleep working on it. The pressure worked, he will defend his shmet anytime this month, the next, or this summer. Then he will not feel any pressure for devouring a title he earned. My pressure was different: I told him I will never call use Dr with your name unless you send me a copy of the certificate, a picture with a gown, and ask for a blessing from your older brother. a guy named Saleh, I will stick to that. So, please give him a few weeks.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear SJ,
          Thanks for the info. Never mind, there is no harm with “fal”. Don’t you Kerenites say “seni fal lide glka”. On my part, I am willing to give him as much time as he needs because it’s lucrative investment for me.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Good morning to All,

    The Eritrean Catholic Church has welcomed to the new decision of the Ethiopian Government in regard the border issue, and called for reciprocation from their government (the Eritrean region). The regime is feeling all kind pressure from every corner.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/africa/news/2018-06/the-religious-in-eritrea-welcome-ethiopian-peace-offer.html all,

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      Many thanks for the link. That is precisely the reason I said that things are not going to be business as usual in Eritrea from now on. This is the beginning!

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Hope,

    Thanking you for your civility (as usual) in engaging, please rest assured that I am not, and would not, venture in politics of blames and counter-blames. I read a few comment in the past couple days that I tend and other honorable compatriots siding with the Ethiopian side. I hope you do not right me off as concerned and patriotic citizen, too, like any.

    Moreover, frankly I hate the the word hate. Sure, I do detest the unjust and despotic policies of the PFDJ which I oppose as vehemently as possible. But in doing so I hold the decision makers responsible for the tragedies that befall our people. Blanket hating would also include close and life long friends and family members who occupy top level functions. I bitterly criticize them and call upon them to do the right things by standing on the side of justice instead of serving injustice. I hope the point is clear.

    Now, what I tried to state was the direction reactions of the regime and supporters tended to indicate. I sincerely thought those reactions would add up to exchanging positions between the antagonists. This is to say that the previous preconditions from the Ethiopian side (talking before implementing) would be replaced by new preconditions by the Eritrean side (implementing before talking), which could lead to renewed stalemate. Stalled conflicts in which blood had been spilt cannot shake up and move toward resolution without flexibility and compromise. The parties would do the right thing by appreciating that game is abandoning use of violence and warfare and resorting to political processes that needs diplomatic skills.

    Thus, unless the despot sees advantage in continuation of the status quo, he could be, at least once in his career as politician, a constructive partner for making peace by showing positive response rather than playing as usual political machismo, and squander chances of peace that we and our Ethiopian neighbors, and the region, need.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ismailo,

      Do not worry brother. You reflect every possible definition of “Patriotism” since the era of the student movements. Trollers and regime apologist can’t take away your patriotism. History is on your side and have peace with yourself brother.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman,

        Thank you for your feeling towards fellow compatriots, and I would like to assure you, and others as well, that I have zero worry about my love for a country that I did my very modest to help regain its nationhood. My point was to just respond to some novices (hope MS would not include himself in these) who are using the space of this forum to hand credentials on patriotism. You have watched them getting agitated whenever some one expresses views they think challenges their egos and passion in support of the regime, and jump to allegations to the extend of doubting patriotism of fellow compatriots.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Ismailo,

          In the Eritrean political context, there are two “Patriotism, namely the “blind patriotism” and the “rational patriotiism”. Surely you are from the latter. The blind patriotist are the drum beaters (ኒኺድ ጥራይ) and they don’t know the calculus of politics in it ( where is Solomon “tsetse” to show them the formula). The rational patriotists are those who make evaluation in the “benefit and lose” (where are Mez,Yohannes, Saay to elaborate it) in the tools of their struggle to maximize the outcome in their struggle. The rationalist patriots are those who see diplomacy as the first tool to resolve conflicts (where are historians and philosophers to give us the perspectives and essence of it). Chest beating is not patriotism.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Dr, Amanuel Hidrat,

            I am convinced totally that, Solomon can do that and We are waiting for him to give us the formula,,

            KS,,

  • Selam All,

    Ethiopians in the irob district of the state of tigray are already reacting to the decision. They are shouting, “We reject the Algiers Agreement”, and “We don’t compromise on our Ethiopian identity.”. The way forward does not look smooth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPoLqF6MhsY

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Horizon,

      ,,,This is the news is today,,

      “ሎሚ ሰነ 1/2010 ዓ.ም ነበርቲ ወረዳ ኢሮብ ስምምዕነት ኣልጀርስ መሬት ኢሮብ ንኤርትራ ቆሪሱ ዝህብ ስለዝኾነ ከምዘለዎ ክትርጎም የብሉን፤ መንግስቲ ሒዝዎ ዝነበረ ዝፀንሐ ትኽክለኛ መርገፂ ክቕፅለሉ ይግባእ ብምባል ሰላማዊ ሰልፊ ወፂኦም፡፡”

      This is discussed already.. and it is back go and check bellow,, And now, I am certain you are not reading everything in this site,,is that because of the language? I do not know,

      Abi has written for Tigrinya o be banned., will you agree?

      He said,

      “Kokobe,
      How do you expect me to participate? I think Tigrinya should be banned from this site.I’m petitioning the jebena editor ”

      I really don’t know why you guys didn’t learn Tigrina,,, while we know Amharic..?

      How will you lough today,,,,

      KS,,

      KS,,

      • Dear Kokhob Selam,

        I am not sure if it was an idea i had in my mind, or something i had said, that if we learn a word of tigrigna a day on awate.com, we would have at least an idea about the language with time. But, i think that we must be very few on this forum who do not speak tigrigna.

        Most ethiopians did not live in eritrea and that is why they do not know the language. Nevertheless, i am aware of some people who lived in eritrea and learnt to speak the language very easily.

        About Abi and banning the tigrigna language, the solution is simple. Inform his eritrean wife, and she knows how to bring him to his senses with a kitchen pan on his head.

      • Selamat Kokhob Selam,

        Next you will hear Horizon saying “most Ethiopians did not live in Tigray is a reason for an Ethiopian not to speak Tigrigna.” You will also hear Abi advocating for the banning of Tigrigna in Tigray and Irob. Makes sense to me.

        Hear is reason for this comment: Horizon says “The way forward does not look smooth.” I think the fellow does not seem to want very much the peaceful coexistence of the two sisterly states of Eritrea and Ethiopia. A VERY SMOOTH ROAD AND SOLUTION IS STARING HIM RIGHT THERE IN THE VIDEO HE SHARED. Just observe PM AAA’s ማኑቨር። ህውሓት ውን ነዚ መፍትሒ ጉዳይ ዝዘተይሉ ኢዮም ዝመስሉ።

        The mass of the earth is 81 times that of the moons. Also, There are only 81 elements as Ayya Amanuel Hidrat and his periodic table will verify for us. If only the Admiral Saay7 takes another look at Albe’rt D’urer’s (Mr. Door) for by four door way sums of 34. Seven to go! Six for the Microcosm and with life and the growth of living things the Macrocosm. 6:5 The Washington Monument is 6660 inches or 555 feet… and Al Kemi means the way of Egypt.
        ኣብ ወርሒ ሽዱሽተ ዓሰርተ ሸሞንተ ብመጠኑ ኢዩ ኣብ ፐንቶጋን ፍራክታሊ ትርከብ አታ ወርቃዊት መጠን 0.618

        ኣቡ ዓሸራ መሳርያ X – Evolution Counter Narrative 2018.
        tSAtSE

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Aya Kokeb Selam
        To be fair, Abyi wrote that comment on Jebena. He couldnt enjoy your poems.

  • saay7

    Hasot:

    I think even well-to-do families use Mesherfet. And mesherfet has only one purpose: to fan the fire, to inflame. And that’s what the website does: it wakes up every morning with one question: how can inflame passions, pit this group of Eritreans against that group of Eritreans. And all without a byline.

    saay

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear AMAN,

    Where is the main office? Lol,,!!

    KS,,

  • Amde

    Hi Awatistas,

    Imagine a not too distant future where Dr. Abiy is addressing Asmarans in Asmara Stadium. What would you like him to say? He can probably say it in both Tigrinya and Arabic.

    I suspect the crowd might want him to croon an Amharic love song after the bon-mots in Tigrinya. What sayeth thou Awatistas?

    Amde

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      I was actually thinking about that the other day. In fact, it would be great if he addresses Eritreans in Tigrinya say from his office so that people would know that he means peace. Not in the future but in the near future or maybe in the coming weeks.

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        That is an interesting idea – quite provocatve actually. Might keep the ball rolling.

    • blink

      Dear Amde
      First he must show us that he is different from the past Ethiopian leaders which were deceitful and cowards that could not do what they agreed and signed .
      1. Yohannes a backstabbing champion
      2.Hailessilasie a monster killer and deceitful.
      3. Meles a deceitful and a backstabbing champion .

      I don’t think Dergi was a backstabbing or deceitful. He was just a killer to do what is right for his Ethiopian vision. Eritreans have no deal with Mengistu.

      By the way we have never seen an Ethiopian leader give speech to Eritreans and I guess an Oromo will start .

      • Amde

        blink,

        Did you forget Meles’ speech in Asmara stadium?

        • blink

          Dear Amde
          If you call that speech and Abyi will match that , then there is no need for abyi to go the same root as his predecessors.

          You should have addressed the list I gave you with deceit and backstabbing. I really don’t want Abyi to address as now because he can do it after heart shaking with us by doing the right thing. Remember we have built for Pushkin who is none to us and done nothing to us . We can actually built for Abyi far better if he pull off this problem at his hand.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Great Amde,

          Forget blinks mind (that is sharp enough)- even I remember it,,

          How could be forgotten the words of Meles’ speech..

          KS,,

        • Mez

          Hi Amde,

          Do you have the link…

      • Abraham H.

        Selam blink, I know that you are banned for the coming days, sorry for that, and hence not able to reply to my post; but i also wanted to say that the Derg was also a backstabber. I think during his very short lived position as leader of the Derg, General Aman Andom had planned to find a solution to the Eritrean issue through directly consulting the Eritrean people. But, we all know how fatally his efforts ended up leading to the Red Terror both internally in Ethiopia proper, but also through the prolonged armed struggle that consumed hundreds of thousands of lives.

        • blink

          Dear Abraham
          I am not banned sir. You know i am rumoured to get a green light from awate moderators. First welcome back and I am hoping you comeback with good health and kicking.
          I have little knowledge of that Andom and Derg . I only have a small info about Aman Andom role in the war with Somalia.

          If you have more pls say something more .

          • Abraham H.

            Selam blink, thanks for the kind words, and good to know that you are not banned after all. I’m also like you, don’t have much knowledge about Gen. Aman Andom, I wrote just from what I gathered on the web. Here is a link from the New York Times about an article that was written about the General in September 1974. That might give you a litle background info about him, not least his sense of justice.
            https://www.nytimes.com/1974/09/13/archives/gen-aman-ethiopian-of-many-roles.html

    • Mez

      Dear Amde,
      It needs a lot of hard work.

      PM-AAA may start (his action plan) by talking to his army at the furthest front and letting every one know that he is on his way–and peace is the only way to go.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam A.mde
      The opening proverb could be “ዘይበኣሱ መላእኽቲ:ዘይተዓረቚ አጋንንቲ“.

      • Amde

        Selam Abrehet,

        That would indeed be a beautiful start.

        Amde

      • Kbrom

        Selam Abrehet,

        Brilliant. And the closing proverb could be ‘ ጎረቤትካ ኪላጸ ጭሕምኻ ማይ ልኸ or ነዓና የማስልኩም; hope Amde is thinking Abi will be there when ኣምላኽ ንዐኦም ምስኣማሰለና።

    • halafi mengedi

      Amde,

      I have been meaning to ask you. From Ethiopia’s point of view, who is the MOST adversely affected group, from inside Ethiopia, by the current stalemate between Eritrea and Ethiopia.

      hm

      • Amde

        Hi hm,

        Excellent question.

        Funny enough we are at a point where we will get clarification in this issue in the next few weeks.

        But so far, the Irob have been the ones making the loudest and most believable case – basically, since they are so small already as an ethnic group, and this decision will split them putting them on a trajectory of disappearance as a people. I have a feeling their treatment in Eritrea has so far not been good.

        I do not believe the silence in the rest of the central sector. That whole region is densely populated, so land loss cannot be so simple. But it is the heartland of TPLF, so I suspect people have not been so public with their concerns out of loyalty to the TPLF.

        Land wise, without a doubt Ethiopia will lose a lot of real estate in the
        Western Sector. But as far as people, I am not sure there were very many before the war. Much like in Eritrea, the Tigray government has been settling people from the densely populated highlands into the plains, so over the past 15+ years that population may have increased

        If Eritrea is smart, they can start by being flexible on the Irob area. This is the squeakiest wheel at this point, and they can build momentum from there. But that would mean giving TPLF a political lifeline, so we are most likely gonna be singing Final and Binding.

        Amde

        • halafi mengedi

          Amde

          Thank you. Great answer, but to a different question. I guess in my original question i was trying to understand which group of people or kilile in Ethiopia (if any) were adversely affected by the CURRENT STALEMATE, not by implementation of the Algeries agreement. The assumption was, per what Berhe Y brought to our attention, that the people of Tgiray felt they were carrying the burden of the stalemate. However, a friend of mine said that the Afar people are the most adversely affected by the current situation. I am not sure, and I was wondering what people on the Ethiopian side think.

          hm

          • Amde

            Halafi Mengedi,

            I understand. The Afar are screwed EEBC or no EEBC. Being slit between two countries and the loss of Assab means their leverage in Ethio politics is severely diminished. And their immediate neighbors and traditional competitors, the Somali Issa control the span from Dire Dawa to Djibouti and run the Djibouti state, and have some say in the Ethio-Somali state as well. Which means the Afar consistently come off on the losing side whenever there are disputes. I do not think EEBC makes much difference. But I would be interested to learn your friend’s view as to why?

            Tigray, yes indeed, and generally northern Ethiopia. But everybody assumes that EEBC will translate int peace and normalization. It is just as plausible that it will be followed by a cold peace. Look at the Sudan vs Eritrea relationship where there is supposedly no border issue. Why should we expect anything different with Ethiopia?

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            I guess for Afar, even if split into two countries, normalization of relation between the two countries would allow them to interact relatively seamlessly. They may feel the high stakes posturing between tigray/tplf and eritrea is unnecessarily preventing them from interacting with their kin across the border.

            Regarding tigray, it seems like there is a paradox. On one had, people are saying they are saying they are carrying the burden of the stalemate and wanted it resolved. On the other hand, it seems they dont want to compromise anything at all to resolve the situation (a combination of the tplf doing a poor job of explaining the algeries agreement to its constituency over the past 18 years, and an arena party that is (i am not sure i understand why) overly hostile to anything eritrean).

            If ethiopia is comfortable with the current situation, you are right, there is no incentive to take unpopular steps to just get into cold peace.

            hm

        • Selam Amde,

          I was wondering, could it be a multi-purpose move by pm Abiy, i.e. for internal consumption, boost FDI, attract more political and economic support from the west, and load all the responsibility of the impasse on dia/pfdj and discredit it, because it is going to say “NO” to dialogue anyway, a must, which in the eritrean regime’s book, dialogue means “renegotiation”. Peace is a prerequisite for foreign investment and western support, and talking about peace and acting peaceful are important strategies.
          Nevertheless, does the eritrean regime care about world opinion? I do not think so. Its bet is on persistence and perseverance to its opinion (target) as it has always been, because it has no cost to the regime and the regime doesn’t care about the people.

  • Mez

    Dear All,

    If I were the advisor of the Ethiopian government (or Eritrean for that matter):
    1) i will go one step further immediately and replace the army with civilian lawenforcement police force in contested Badme and other areas,
    2) allow mini cross-border commerce for the communities I govern,
    3) pull back the army like 25 kilometers from the boarder immediately,
    4) invite observers (in parallel) there on a permanent base–until the boarder demarcation is completed to the satisfaction of all,
    5) the above actions will bring the whole problem upside down completely, leading the whole region to the peaceful coexistance direction, the over 100 years history of war like relation will come to an end.

    Thanks

    • Abi

      Hi Mez
      Chase doesn’t seem to be your favorite game. You move and wait for your opponent. The same principle applies to the game of politics.

      • Mez

        Dear Abi,
        the tone is on “unilateral action” and dismantling of the whole “self-serving egos” in one stroke.

        This would be a masterful strike putting the peace-process on a one way road, and cutting negative forces any chance of survival.

        Thanks

    • blink

      Dear Mez
      Invite observers? Fool comment of the month prize 🚮 . The only right decision ever made by Issaias in this border issue was to kick out UN peace keeping soldiers. Here you are wishing to advise.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam blink,

        Eritrea signed a document with Ethiopia and others agreeing to have U.N peace keepers within 25 KM from the Ethiopian boarder.

        You said that PIA made the right decision by expelling the UN peace keepers.
        That is perfectly legal to you, but a minute later you would say the agreement is final and binding.

        I was just wondering if you hear yourself and say …I am convincing people with my argument. I am doing a good job.

        Mr. K.H

        • blink

          Dear Kim
          No I don’t try to convince people. I am just saying kicking UMEE was the best choice he ever made. May be I am looking from different angle.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,

            Good answer.
            May I look at the final and binding agreement we are talking about from a different angle too?

            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear Kim
            Was the UNMEE binding? I mean they were just not useful at all. I believe the whole UN peacekeeping mission are a waste of money and no good to the locals . There are many good reasons the UN peacekeeping mission are an expired dollar milking machine that needs to stop unless there are new rules.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kim,

          In a simple term, Kicking out the peace keepers (UMEE) is a breach of the Algiers agreement.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I know, I do bring it up occasionally when lay people like blink, behave as if they are an elite constitutional lawyers who care about every little thing, because it is the LAW…bla bla.

            As soon as you point out something in the same agreement that is not favorable to their narration, they are not shy in dismissing it as…that is different.
            I am sure it pinches them a little and that was my intention.

            On the bigger point of the boundary line and the Irob people, why would Eritrea want people that don’t want to be Eritrean. If there are people on the Ethiopian side who identify with Eritrea, wouldn’t it better for both to swap them.

            It is the same mentality of a bitter divorce, where one or the other X goes to the extreme to hurt the other at a huge cost to themselves. As always those who suffer are the GEBARS on both sides.

            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            If you read my comment of two days ago, I have already stated my position that the Ethiopian Irob that are given to Eritrea and the Eritrean villages In the Tsorana region that are given to Ethiopia should be swapped during demarcation period. That is why I support the engagement of the two governments in the process. The ruling permits adjustments if both governments desired to do it. So my position is clear all these years since the verdict is given.

      • Mez

        Dear Blink,

        with invite observers I meant the fourth estate.

        Thanks

      • Mez

        Good Day Blink,

        Not really.

        Thanks

    • halafi mengedi

      Mez,

      This ‘half-solutions’ have the potential to making things even worse. Remember, this ‘half-solution’ type of things combined with very primitive conflict resolution skills is how we got here in the first place. And conflict resolution skills havent moved an inch better on either side (i.e., IA and tplf).

      hm

      • Mez

        Dear Halafi M.,

        Tell me the “other half” please.

        • halafi mengedi

          Mez,

          the solutions you listed are not going to work and probably are going to lead to more conflicts when applied to tigrigna people on both sides of mereb, where people are obsessed with possession (especially of land possession) and their reaction to any conflict is unimaginable amount of indignation. if indignation was a useful skills, tigrigna speakers would be the most advanced people.

          The first thing is to delineate the border, then if these people work towards being open and enlighten societies, the things you listed would work easily and make the border irrelevant. But we are not there, not even close. and the only way to get there is through border delineation.

          hm

          • Mez

            Dear Halafi M.,

            Please check my response to horizon, like an hour ago. It supplements.

    • Selam Mez.

      What do you think of a committee of local residents from both sides under the supervision of the UN, who would come together on a regular basis to discuss the border and bring the result of their deliberations if they reach some sort of consensus after, let us say, six months.
      At the same time both governments should respect people’s choices whichever country they want to belong to, and the committee should be free of government influence and control.
      Where governments have failed, the local people who know the reality on the ground much more than the old men in the Hague, or even the government officials, may have the right solution.
      These people may not know the so called final and binding political loopholes, but they have the advantage of their ancestral history, and the long life they have lived in the area. Naturally, they will try to keep together families and communities and in this way, they may reach a harmonious separation.

      • Mez

        Dear Horizon,

        1) No question, the wish and will of the people (on both sides of the border line) has to be respected,
        2) to start with cartography (in the early 1900) was not precise,
        1.1) There shall always be reference pillars with (plus or minus) a couple of meters accuracy. To be frank with you, those reference points may even themselves had moved to one or the other direction due to geological process, no one knows for sure,
        1.2) between the pillars, either the then authorities had used a straight line, or they followed land marks like rivers or hills (also such things as big trees),
        1.3) the original map scale–where the boundaries were traced will greatly
        matter. For example, it is not technically correct to use a historical 1:250k scale map and then derive from there a high precision map say 1:5,000,
        3) the Boundary commission decision validity is as accurate as the scale, readability, and maintenance level of the bench-mark data they used,
        4) to know what is happening on the ground, there shall be a further more precise data available. Sociologists, and other subject matter experts may provide more objective supportive data–after an impartial field trip and objective study.
        5) meanwhile I see no reason why the Ethiopian government can not do the things I mentioned above; this could change the whole dynamics by taking away the foundation of the PIA war mongering propaganda once for all. There is no easy fix.

        Thanks

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, this discussion shads light in to the Ethiopian economic move. Although doesn’t really address the border issue. It is good thought people are talking about real issues. How corrupt is this country. the Ethiopian budget is 300+ billion Birr and 740 billion is stolen. wow.
    http://andafta.com/በኤርትራ-ጉዳይ-ላይ-የኢቲቪ-ጋዜጠኞች-አሳ/

    • blink

      Dear Nitricc
      It seems Eritrea has an advocacy group in the ETV , I mean far better than the weyane grown babies we have in this forum and other weyane balloons . I am impressed such discussions are alive in Ethiopia at the time of Abyi . Imagine this kind of discussion at the time of Meles the killer .

    • Mez

      Dear Nitricc:
      No wonder about the corrupts an the thieves there. The last time I checked, the fourth and fifth estates were all in jail.

      Thanks

  • Ayneta

    Awate:
    Can someone help me understand why this article appears to have a ulterior motive buried underneath its title? In my opinion, it is one of the most confusing and ill-thought articles ever coming from Awate and lends itself to huge misinterpretation. There is a colossal mismatch between the tile and its content. Half of the article is about Muslim school bla bla bla which has nothing to do with the title. Why even brought this BS about the school while the focus is on the border issue? This new development regarding border issues is one of the most highly anticipated stories in the last 2 decades and Awate is actively trying to trivialize it by mixing it with a completely unrelated story about Muslim school. Is this the way Awate will handle future developments regarding the border problem?

  • DreadFool

    Selam and hello

    bottom line IMHO is: the past 16 years have been the stalking-horse for Eritrea’s sole ruler.
    reading Eritrea’s forum foot soldier’s canned reactionary blather only proves my point. Without the Badme masquerade (regardless of Algiers etc) it has kept Eritrea mobilized and it’s dear leader in power. stalking-horse gone, dear leader exposed to the people’s wrath.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    hei
    When families splits due to problems they are bitter like you. We know tplf and eplf are families.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam to every friend in the forum,

    The pronouncement on hitherto stalled border conflict by PM Dr. Abij on behalf of the ruling coalition has unleashed passionate discussion in this forum, and beyond in the social media outlets. It’s such dramatic development that raised interest in many directions. The interesting thing about the matter is the form and manner the turn around move came through something pertaining to issue was excepted in the framework of the change within the EPRDF and the new team that emerged under the leadership of Dr. Abij Ahmed, and the required resetting of priorities topped matters that needed immediacy. Actually, his ordinary citizens encounters during his visit to Tigrai and the views of participants he heard and promises he voiced were sufficient indications to anticipate some move on issue of the border conflict.

    The news has been received in a kind of each according to aspiration way. Regime supporter camp comprising multiple categories welcomed Ethiopia’s new position with passion of triumphalism that warranted unconditional implementation that capitulation dictaat requires. A second group of Eritreans welcomed with hopeful optimism that the border commission ruling will go through and disarm the regime of the pretexts it has been using to hold the nation hostage through exaggerated claim of threat to national sovereignty from the Woyane. A third group, which includes my self, received the news with optimism that the stalemate would shake up if the Ethiopia’s declaration of intention would be translated to executable policy, aware that pronouncement remains mere statement until it passes through processes of comprehensive appraisal, and written as diplomatic and political platforum compatible with national interest at which point it becomes a full set policy with elaborate tactical guidelines and strategical endgame segments and mandated to policy execution agencies the chief among which is the foreign relations department or ministry. Operation begins by interacting with concerned international bodies such as the UN and relevant regional institutions.

    Thus, I agree with some in the forum who opined that it is too early to anticipate that the Ethiopian side would dance alone without partner and implement the commission ruling and then ask the regime to talk on issues of normalization. As far as I gather, this what the regime and overzealous supports seem to await. Diplomacy and conflict resolutions have got own dynamics. That is what history and experiences of nation teach us.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Good summary. The Ethiopians have shown tplf that toppling derg is not only the goal. The goal is to make Ethiopia a better place for all of its citizen. I dont want to repeat the 27 years brave Ethiopians struggle for a better Ethiopia which made the one ethnic first policy of tplf a nightmare. The struggle for a better life which toppled derg was not owned only by tplf and even if it was owned by only tplf as they are teaching their children then the fruits of the struggle MUST be shared for all Ethiopians regardless of ethnic or religion. That is what you signed for when you say I am Ethiopian and I struggle to make Ethiopia free from oppressors.

      In Eritrea Isayas and his coleagues assumed they owned the struggle and they are the sole owner of the fruit (what ever it is). But the Eritreans were passive against PFDJ which is the same like tplf in so many ways. Many eritreans think tplf is more democratic than PFDJ. That is wrong because Ethiopians sacrificed to force tplf to be better than pfdj. The more tplf push its policy the more it is closer to be wiped out of Ethiopia including its supporters. But where as in Eritrea the more eplf puts its oppression on the mass the more eritreans leave the land for eplf.

      So Eritreans have no substantial saying what ever the Ethiopians leaders are doing since Eritreans are passive and watch the end result. They were as dormat as no nation can be compared to what the dictatorial government subdued them til they leave their land in exodus.

      Since tplf took power Ethiopians political movement is a dynamic one and i think it is number one in the whole world considering the outcome. I mean millions could have been wiped from the face of the earth in a Rwandanians style. Only the tolerance and God fearing Ethiopians kept us from the brainless tplf idiotic policy.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Amde and all,

    Today Amde “Dialogue” is completely logical and my preferred option. I bet you the locals will solve it within weeks.”

    This is the news is today,,
    “ሎሚ ሰነ 1/2010 ዓ.ም ነበርቲ ወረዳ ኢሮብ ስምምዕነት ኣልጀርስ መሬት ኢሮብ ንኤርትራ ቆሪሱ ዝህብ ስለዝኾነ ከምዘለዎ ክትርጎም የብሉን፤ መንግስቲ ሒዝዎ ዝነበረ ዝፀንሐ ትኽክለኛ መርገፂ ክቕፅለሉ ይግባእ ብምባል ሰላማዊ ሰልፊ ወፂኦም፡፡”

    what do you think? This is the people of erope -ኢሮብ:: what is your say?

    KS,,

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Kokhob Selam

      “Today our participant Amde said “Dialogue” is completely logical and my preferred option. I bet you the locals will solve it within weeks.” And I posted informing yes Dialogue remain the ideal option…ሎሚ ሰነ 1/2010 ዓ.ም ነበርቲ ወረዳ ኢሮብ ስምምዕነት ኣልጀርስ መሬት ኢሮብ ንኤርትራ ቆሪሱ ዝህብ ስለዝኾነ ከምዘለዎ ክትርጎም የብሉን፤ መንግስቲ ሒዝዎ ዝነበረ ዝፀንሐ ትኽክለኛ መርገፂ ክቕፅለሉ ይግባእ ብምባል ሰላማዊ ሰልፊ ወፂኦም፡፡”
      what do you think”

      The Ethio-Eritrean border issue doesn’t need Amdes’s wisdom nor his ዛዓጎል. The Ethio-Eritrean border issue is not an Irob vs Eritrea case. The Irobs don’t have a say on it. The Ethio-Eritrean border case is not a Woyane vs PFDJ case or Tigreans vs Eritreans case. The Tigreans don’t have a say on it.

      The Ethio-Eritrean border issue is an international border case between two sovereign nations. And the case could only be handled by the two sovereign governments in Addis and Asmara with the assistance, cooperation, guidance, and funding of regional, continental, global powers, institutions and agencies.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Samray,

        The Eritrean and Ethiopian people have no a say on the border issue. Wow! A note for history.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Yes PH. Amuni,

          “The Eritrean and Ethiopian people have no a say. A note for history.”
          ended yes Aman,

          what a corrupted guy is this man (Samray,) ?

          KS,,

        • Peace!

          Hi Emma,

          እሞ እዛ dialogue ዝብልዎ እንድያ ትጽይቕ ዘላ- Final and abiding is crystal clear. ትጉሽተተይ ዘይብላ. Amde is an Ethiopian and of course Ethiopia first shall be his slogan.

          Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Peace,

            Whatever one may/may not have a view on the process of implementation, it is absolutely wrong to rule out the role of the Eritrean and Ethiopian people.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,
            Ruling out people from having role in issues that determine their fate, and playin as fans of a regime cannot be other than walking with a trumpet in hand and mouth to spread the dictator’s message.

          • MS

            Selam IsmailAA
            Hayak Allah. I think it is better to leave it as how SGJ described it: it is about differences in views and judgements, not “walking with a trumpet in hand and mouth to spread the dictator’s message,” because someone else will accuse you of trumpeting Mele Zenawi’s position of “we should not split families; let us talk.”
            That’s after they realized the flashpoint village went to Eritrea. As the verdict came out, remember when Sium Mesfun insisted on compelling Eritrea to accept the verdict and move on implementing it? So, my friend each of us can jostle for acclaiming a higher level in the “justice seeker” ladder, but law is blind, as they say. If governments are keen about their people they don’t overuse force, they respond proportionally, they don’t waste the lives of close to 80 thousands. And once a ceasefire is signed, they negotiate in good faith. Ethiopia was claiming not only Badme but other uncontested Eritrean sovereign swaths of land. And once they decided to go to court, they better believe that law is blind.

            So, to make it clear, my views on EEBC and other issues pertaining to territorial integrity aligns 100% with the government of Eritrea. It has been credible and I don’t doubt it will squander any chance to seal the deal if the government of Ethiopia comes in good faith.

            To conclude: both governments resorted to force because they could not solve the border problem. Both governments agreed the border be delimited by an international court and issues of local communities would not be a criteria in deciding the course of the border. Law is blind, if you have other means such as community and civic interventions, go for it; don’t go to court. Or sit for mediation.

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah Ustazna MS,

            Hoping you won’t take me acting polemical, I wonder whether you felt included in the category I alluded to or simply wanted to pick up the ax on behalf of them.

            Anyway, as concerns the lofty interest of the nation, posturing as an extra alert citizen and claiming to raise the scepter of sovereignty and territorial integrity high above the heads of other fellow citizens is simply an overstatement, to say the least.

            In regard to laws, the point is that be it on domestic or international levels, the are operational dynamics that govern their application. I do not think the process is about crude mechanical A comes before B action, especially when it involves international norms and procedures.

            Happy Id Al- Fitr to all of us in advance.

          • MS

            Ahlan IsmailAA
            I simply explained how things work according to my understanding, mind you I’m not an expert at the subject. But the fundamentals of a litigation and its verdict is that the parties abide by the ruling. I explained and quoted the commission’s procedural guideline which excludes the things you are saying. I have said we wish we did not go to war; we wish both governments and the communities along the border had solved it peacefully. we could not and that’s both of the governments went to the court fully accepting that there would not be ifs and buts.
            IsmailAA, if you recall the activities of TPLF vadres along that border prior to may 1998, it is clear that the “let’s talk/let’s include the communities” is nothing but a ploy to derail a sound legal conclusion.How could you forget that there were hundreds of Eritrean villagers who had been uprooted from their places of origin prior to May 1998? Why do’t you ask why TPLF cadres uprooted those farmers from their villages if they really cared about communities? Why are you and my friend Emma so inclined to the other side? May be that’s your view, OK let’s call it a point of view. I have not called you less patriotic. Readers will make their conclusion on how they see our conversation.
            I have no ax to grind። ወሪዱኒ ምሳር’ኳ እንተልዓልኩ።
            Of course there will be contacts between the parties when the process moves to operational phase. There was a commission set from the Eritrean side to coordinate the delimitation and demarcation process. So, once the government of Ethiopia officially resurrects the process and the guarantors are mobilized, I’m sure the government of Eritrea will set up a body that facilitates the operational aspect of it. But there is no ground for the verdict to be changed either through communities participation or “negotiation.” That peaceful phase had been crossed because we could not solve it peacefully and the bitterness is even worse today than it was in 2000 when the Algiers Agreement was signed.
            You can hold on your views, but my view is that TPLF has tried really hard to break Eritreans’ will. But we are here. I diagree with my government in its domestic policy, but on this issue, I’m 100% with it. Now you can call me (just joking) whatever you want but be nice because Kokob Selam is reading this thread.
            Happy Eid Alfater Almubarak to you too.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Ustaz MS,

            You bet, what we are doing in this forum is nothing more than expressing view. Both of us try to share views from vantage point of own perceptions and understandings. That is fair enough. But differences arise when expressed views transcend the personal and tend to play out in lieu of established procedures and practices that international norms prescribe for inter-state dealings, one of which is conducting diplomacy to sort out disputes and conflicts as prelude to lasting peace.

            There is no gainsaying that internationally reached rulings in pursuit of consent between or among parties should be honored. However, such legal dealings especially ending state vs state bloody conflicts should also come with legal tools and mechanisms of enforcement in order to preclude possible hurdles. This is what the Eritrea-Ethiopia case is lacking.

            In other words, the ruling should have also included binding enforcement rules instead of leaving the matter to goodwill and discretion of the disputants. Legal verdicts involving individuals and groups whose disputes could be litigated under established legal frameworks are differ from those involving nations that slide to wars and bloodshed.

            Coming back to your points, the spirit of my views on this particular case is what you have stated about moves that the regime may or may not make “when the process moves to operational phase”. Since enforcement comprises of interconnected phases that involve myriad issues ranging from higher national interests down to fate ordinary citizens on sides of the boundaries, the do-your-side of the bargain first scenario that the regime seems to float could end up as non-starter and squander the developing opportunity for peace.

            In regard to your perception that Amanuel and I are “so inclined to the other side” is not fair. I cannot say more than saying “Allah yesamehak ya qali”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Welcome back from your vacation in Hawaii. Now correction: Since we are debating on ideas and solutions do bring your ideas with accusations. Now instead of saying “why are you and my friend Emma so inclined to the other side” you should say why are you having different ideas than us. I know what “other side” mean in your comment. You are implying that we are supporting the Ethiopian Government and that an accusation. When we are debating we are only either supporting or rejecting the ideas not to the persons who are espousing the ideas.

          • blink

            Dear Ismail
            Are you suggesting the international border line to be left to some villagers in order to make the Tigrians happy ? Where will you draw your line that differentiate the sovereignty of one country beyond the current government? Can any group of your type face this problem from a village to village point of view. You guys can bend the line but not the truth .

        • halafi mengedi

          Aman,

          Talk about elitism….

          hm

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Semere Tesfai,

        What do you want to say now? Are trusting this corrupted PFDJ ?

        KS,,

      • MS

        Selam SemereT
        Again you nailed the nail right on the head. If Ethiopia has a working federal constitution, issues of international border belongs to the federal gov.
        I know this is a test for the new PM. I personally believe he has the momentum, but the TPLF radicals can instigate popular resistance along the border. That’s when he and the constitution of Ethiopia will be tested. Sure, it is an emotional matter. But leaders should lead. Explaining to the communities is part of their job. But ultimately, once the process starts, he will have to order the national army to move those who refuse to do so voluntarily. I’m sure part of the process will include foreign funds for resettling families who will have to move out into both countries.
        The second point, raised by some, that deals with the possibility of including the communities in demarcating the border, is out of question per the ruling. The spirit and letter of the verdict is clear.
        The court set to work to follow strict instructions that both councils representing both countries had agreed on, i.e. it would not consider the history culture, economic ties, familial ties, etc., to delimit the border.
        If the role of communities and familial connection or the necessity to split a village was a priority Ethiopia could have argued for that, or when the verdict came out it could have just rejected it.
        The process is way past that point.

        • halafi mengedi

          MS,

          Based on your comments over the years in this forum, you are the front runner to be Eritrean leader if I were to chose one now from among the forum members. But, the lack of imagination, vision, strategic thinking, compassion and courage you showed on this comment is astounding. Please reconsider.

          hm

          • MS

            Selam Halafi megedi
            Selam Halafi megedi
            Thaks and I wish if I could change, but it is what it is when people go to court. Also, please read my reply to Ustaz IsmailAA. Either they have to implement the decision as it is or discard it. Under the “Tasks of the commission and applicable law,” 2(2) reads ” The parties agree that a neutral Boundary Commission composed of five members shall be established with a mandate to delimit and demarcate the colonial treaty border based on pertinent colonial treaties (1900, 1902 and 1908) and applicable international law. The Commission shall not have the power to make decisions ex aequo et bono.”
            Ex aequo et bono refers “to the power of arbitrators to dispense with consideration of the law but consider solely what they consider to be fair and equitable in the case at hand.” Thanks Google.
            So, the commission ruled that out and both countries had agreed that communities and other relevant issues would not constitute a legal basis for delimiting the border.
            Opening it to accommodate the desires of communities would mean annulling it. But of course, there will be reassurances from both sides that the demarcation would be for the long-term benefit of both peoples. I would not rule meetings of religious and elder leaders of the villages to defuse tensions but not to alter the verdict.
            by the way, how long are you going to stay as a journeyman, ክሳብ መዓስ ኢኻ ሓላፊ መገዲ ክትከውን? ናኦኣ’ባ ሎሚስ ተጣየስ። I enjoy and learn from your inputs too. Keep it up.

          • saay7

            Hala MaHmuday:

            Welcome back buddy. Hope your trip to Hawaii–looking at the beach from the hotel balcony–was relaxing and you are back invigorated. I am hearing from reliable sources that you had a post at mesherfet where you took some revolutionary steps against some adHarHarti:)

            Now then. Here’s what I hope you will help me with (I am slow; I haven’t had a vaction in a long time.)

            1. Would you agree with me that the statement made by PM Abiy Ahmed is bold and different because it talks about accepting the peace treaty fully and working towards implementation with conviction and without hesitation? Isn’t this the boldness that the Eritrean TV editorial was calling for a few months ago?

            2. Would you agree with me that the PM called for the implementation of the Algiers Agreement and its subset the ruling of the Boundary Commission?

            3. Do you agree with me that the Algiers Agreement calls for:

            a. The two parties, in cooperation with ICRC, to release their POWs. ICRC is famously quiet and makes no comments so: do we know if all the POWs are released? If we don’t, how will know if the two parties don’t talk? Or it is not important?

            b. The two parties, in cooperation with ICRC, repatriating “all persons detained as a result of conflict.” Do we know if that has happened? Same question as 3a above.

            c. The establishment of a Claims Commission (EECC) to resolve claims made by one party against the other. It was established. It decided that both countries did terrible things to each other and their civilians and must pay compensation. What happened to it? We never mention it. Does this require talking or that is AFTER the EEBC? If it is after, who decided on its sequence? Certainly not the Agreement.

            d. The establishment of a Boundary Commission (EEBC) to delimited and demarcate the border. Now that one, we all know about and have committed it to memory.

            By the way, every Eritrean official has nothing to say about Abiye’s statement; there is a catch-22: they are all waiting for Isaias Afwerki to make a statement, but they are too afraid to ask him. So, we are, as airlines telling you when you are in the runaway, on a holding pattern. But one brave man, Eritrean Ambassador to Japan, Estifanos, went off the reservation and welcomed PM Abiyes statement in an interview with some media outlet, according to Ethiopian TV. Let’s all have a moment of silence now for the liberty and career of Ambassador Estifanos.

            Aloha!

            saay

          • Paulos

            Happy Saturday Sal,

            Please allow me ሓንሳብ ወጠምጠም ክብል for your point questions are directed to Muhamuday. Isaias is cornered and that is precisely the reason he is dead silent.

            Do you remember what he said to Dan Connell centuries ago? He said to him that, he gets more stubborn and determined the more he is challenged. I say, that Isaias is long gone. And I say, he will flee the country for this is not the beginning of an end but the end itself.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            But this forum is the wetemtem capital: we are against feudal values of hierarchy, everybody is equal:)

            Well, actually, I think to the contrary: this is one of those rare instances where something can happen that is in the interest of Eritrea, Ethiopia, Abiy AND Isaias. It all depends on the calculus and I don’t need to tell you about Game Theory: I sense you know it more than you do. But just in case you forgot, in game theory, you can either Minimize your Maximum or Maximize your Minimum and IA’s next move will be based which direction he is leaning. If he calculates that PM Abiy will splutter and TPLF is still in power, he will take one step; if he thinks PM Abiy is ascendant and TPLF is on the run, he will take another. In either case, it won’t be: what is in the best interest of Eritrea but what is in the worst interest of Weyane.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Something crucial is missing with in the calculus– the Eritrean people. It is not going to be business as usual. More over, the military who had been silenced not to voice their concern due to the excuse of the no-war-no-peace situation. They will break ranks and hold him accountable—round 2 G-15 if you will. Remember, everything has a limit.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            You think so? The lesson the colonels and generals learned from G-15 was don’t do things prematurely and dont….it’s better if I tell you one of my dad’s favorite stories:

            One of the gentlemen who was asked to sign the G-15 petition was in dad’s office when he was asked to sign the petition. It is funny when it is told in the original language (Tigrayt) but I will tell it in English:

            Man in dad’s office: Are the police supporting you?
            Petitioner: No
            Man. Hmm. How about National Security
            Petititoner: No
            Man. Hmmmm. How about National Defense.
            Petititoner: No
            Man: And the media?
            Petitioner: No.
            Man: Throw away the petition paper. Run, don’t walk, and ask for forgiveness from him.

            So, Paulos, if anything power is a lot more centralized in the hands of Isaias compared to 18 years ago, and while I wish what you were saying is true, the change won’t come from the colonels and generals but the uprising of the fed up people.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            I don’t have any doubt in my mind. This is a completely different ball game. And we can not measure or apply what happened in 2001 to what is happening in 2018. Isaias can no longer hold on to his lies and deceit. He is cornered.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P sorry to spoil your party but what do you want the government of Eritrea to do? You know there are two governments in Ethiopia. One in Addis and the other in Mekkele. Till one government prevails, Eritrean government should be salient, right move!!!! .

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            First of all it is a complete lie being peddled by foot soldiers as in Elias Amare, Abay and Sofia T. There is no such a thing called two governments. There is only one and it gave everything what Isaias asked for. If there is a genuine need for peace, Isaias needs to say something and show a goodwill. But obviously, Isaias can not handle peace. He can only breath in crisis. Remember, what ever Tigreans say is immaterial because in Ethiopia there is something called rule of law and Constitutional order.

          • saay7

            Selamat Nitrric:

            Nitricc, the Ministry of Information and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs actually write press releases to support or oppose what an unknown media outlet said; they did that every time PMMZ and PMHD said something and now you are saying what the Prime Minister of Ethiopia said is not worthy of reply? Sooner or later, they will and then what will be your position: they shouldn’t have?

            Mekele (TPLF) issued a statement in support of Addis Abeba (EPRDF) statement. Now what? Should we wait to see what the position of OPDO and SEPDM is? 🙄

            TPLF said that the Algiers Agreement is a package deal. If they mean that it’s not just EEBC but also EECC, POWs they are absolutely right and they will take back the moral high ground (which they lost when they started equivocating on EEBC) from the tortoises in Asmara who won’t know what hit them.

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, I hope you’ve listened to the TPLF explanation and the interview one of their representatives made with VOA Tigrinya. From my observation, it seems they are denying that PM Abiy’s and EPRDF executive’s recent decision to accept the Algiers agreement and eebc decision fully, without preconditions. They are basically repeating what they have been saying ever since they understood that Badme had gone to Eritrea, i.e. let’s talk to resolve both the border and all our differences. It seems there is a very serious fructure within the EPRDF regarding the border dispute with Eritrea, it will be interesting to watch how events develop. One weird reality with this seemingly divergent stance of the tplf is that they are also represented in the same body that apparently decided to fully accept the border decision.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abraham:

            Great to hear from you and hope you are doing well.

            The Ethiopian website Horn Affairs did a decent translation of the EPRDF Executive Committee statement and here were the takeaways:

            1. Efforts made in the past 20 years to restore the brotherly relations of the two people have been unsuccessful
            2. Therefore, a different position and approach is necessary to restore real peace between the two countries. The two countries can not disregard the choices and wishes of their people
            3.Ego-driven rivalry serves the interest of neither people. Moreover, the lasting solution to the political crisis and instability in the horn of Africa is a healthy relation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. The lack of which made the two countries and the region miss big opportunities
            4.In the interest of the peoples of both countries, who are bonded not only by mutual interest but also related by blood, the government of Ethiopia have decided to fully accept the Algiers treaty and the rulings of the border commission and to implement it with conviction and without hesitance
            5. Call on the Eritrean government to accept our call for peace without hesitance and to work for the restoration of the relation of the two peoples and its sustainability.

            So, this is important (the sort that diplomats who quibble over words look at magnifying glass): the EPRDF Exec Committee does not have the word “unconditionally” or “without preconditions.” But, because it didn’t put conditions for its offer, it is unconditional.

            In case people were confused by this statement, Abiye and his chief of staff clarified exactly what his motivation is for making this change in an address he gave to some anti-corruption body. Samuel Emaha provides the relevent link and video embed here:

            http://www.eritreadigest.com/eritrea-own-the-momentum-for-peace/

            Now, let’s look at the TPLF Statement (as translated by Esayas Girmay):

            1. All of the commitments encapsulated in the Algiers Agreement clearly require dialogue for their implementation. And dialogue on the entire package of commitments, not just on border demarcation per se, can guarantee sustainable peace;
            2.It is through this holistic implementation of the Agreement that the fundamental interests of the people of #Tigray are ensured. The TPLF reiterates that it won’t embark on any endeavor that jeopardize these fundamental interests. (actual sentence was: ህወሓት የትግራይን ህዝብ ጥቅም በሚያሳጡ ጉዳዮች ላይ እጁን እንደማያስገባ በድጋሚ ማረጋገጥ ይፈልጋል

            Now, somebody who knows the EPRDF dynamics better than I do can explain it to us but the way I understand it is that the EPRDF executive committee is made up of 9 members from each of the coalition members (36 in total) and its statement, arrived at “by consensus” is binding on all member organizations. Members can complain but once a decision is made “democratic centralism” takes over, and they are required to abide.

            If you read the TPLF statement carefully, it is written as an assurance to its constituency (the people of Tigray) that it won’t sell out their interest. But within the specifics: both EPRDF and TPLF are emphasizing that there is more to the Algiers Agreement than the EEBC (true statement) and what is new (revolutionary really) is that the EPRDF is, for the first time since 2004, actually saying that it will “fully accept the Algiers treaty and the rulings of the border commission and to implement it with conviction and without hesitance.” In other words, in the past the positions used to be:

            Eritrea: accepts the Algiers treaty, Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission (EECC), Eritrea Ethiopia Border Commission (EEBC) decisions without reservation.
            Ethiopia: accepts the Algiers treaty, complains about the ruling of EECC (not enough award), and rejects the EEBC.

            Now, PM Abiy has signaled his accepts of the entire treaty (account for POWs, account for disappeared) and its instruments (EECC, EEBC.) And by doing that, he has changed the dynamics completely (TPLF is defensive and PFDJ Tortoise has retreated its head into its shell.) IF there is a conflict between what TPLF and EPRDF are saying (I don’t think there is: TPLF didn’t, and couldn’t say we opposed the EPRDF position, it just said we are Pontius Pilate on this, dear Tigrayans), EPRDF will prevail—unless the TPLF goes to the hills and starts Weyane III.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Until we know how this decision will unfold, and since you are good at pulling documents, could you please extract the package of the Algiers agreement for our purpose in this forum. Because, in the statement of TPLF they are emphasizing the package, and since the demarcation is one from the package. Could you please?

            Regard

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            No problem.

            1. This is the Algiers Agreement. Articles 4 (Boundary Commission) and articles 5 (Claims Commission) were completed. Article 3 (OAU investigation of the root of the conflict) was never followed through (No money.) And Article 2 we don’t know because ICRC is in charge and ICRC operates secretly.

            https://pcacases.com/web/sendAttach/786

            2. This is the Eritrea Ethiopia Boundary Commission (EEBC) decision. We all committed this to memory

            http://legal.un.org/riaa/cases/vol_XXV/83-195.pdf

            3. This is the Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission (EECC) decision. Don’t read it after you eat: you will be sick. It will also explain to you why the Irob People are protesting: not only did we treat them very badly, but now we are telling them: hey, your land is ours and your choice is to become Eritrean or move.

            http://legal.un.org/riaa/cases/vol_XXVI/631-770.pdf

            So, I think when they are talking about the Algiers Agreement in its entirety, they are definitely talking about Article 5 ( discussions about the findings of the claims commission). Not because there is real money involved (when you subtract what Ethiopia owes Eritea from what Eritrea owes Ethiopia, it is only 20 million, which is petty cash. But they probably will demand some kind of closure to it like mutual apologies. Abiye is big on reconciliation, love, etc.)

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay,

            How, do you manage it !! I wonder how fast and smart you are.

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Kokhob:

            Thanks! It was a bit hard to do because i was driving and I had to interrupt the youtube videos I was watching to find the links 🙂

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY: i am not at ease to hear from you saying ” driving and I had to interrupt the youtube videos I was watching” please don’t do that. you are very wanted first by your family and next by the nation building of Eritrea , believe me!!!!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Thank you buddy. You are our archive.

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Excellent summary.. but can they be EPRDF in Addis and Pontius Pilate in Meqele?

            Sounds like they are confident of a poison pill or two in the rest of the package.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde da pilla

            Thanks. Re your q on TPLFs role in Addis and Mekele, doesn’t that apply to every member of EPRDF? It’s like a cartel: how you run your monopoly in your territory is up to you but at the Federal level we will have this consensus approach where yield to whoever our consensus says is the king? I don’t see what options TPLF has other than using the strategy pursued by OPDO when it was down and out: grin and bear it, wait for the others to stumble and fall.

            I expect whichever is the Tigrayan version of ESAT to make a lot of noise but what I have learned from this new PM in the last two months is he has no intention of being anyone’s patsy.

            Interesting times.

            Saay

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            There is no way TPLF can sell this in Tigray. So, this is one of those questions where they have to decide if they are in EPRDF or not. It appears they chose to stay.

            A CC (I think?) meeting has been urgently called in Tigray, so we might see a different tune tomorrow.

            From the inter-EPRDF angle, OPDO and ANDM can use this as a tool to put the screws on TPLF. Keep in mind, the balance of Ethio public I talked to think that on the contrary, it is the TPLF putting the screws on Abiy.

            It is still a mystery why they (EPRDF) chose to make it an issue at this point. Absolutey makes no sense. Unless there is external inducement/arm-twisting behind the scenes.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selamat Amde:

            You are much too smart to not get it, so I am assuming you are sleep deprived.

            What your PM has done is to completely turn the tables. Let me give it a try:

            Ever since the EEBC made its ruling, your previous governments had been coming up with answers that insulting (we won’t let 5 old Europeans tell us what to do), to the transparently-bogus (we agree in principle), to the 90% solutions (let’s demarcate all of Western and Eastern Front.) But it couldn’t say “we agree completely and we will implement it with conviction and without hesitation.” And because it didn’t, it had to keep hundreds of thousands of soldiers in a state of readiness. And it had to be reminded often that it doesn’t respect international law–which can be awkward when you are chairing IGAD or COMESA or AU and lecturing folks that your word is your bond (can you imagine Seyoum Mesfin telling that to the South Sudanese antagonists when he was arbitrating? Never mind, he probably did and we know the results.

            What your PM has done is to say we accept fully and we are ready to implement bequrTnet…the Algiers Agreement + Boundary Commission. Now it moves to implementation. Implementation what? The whole thing. And the demarcation goes as fast or as slow as the whole Algiers Agreement is going. And the issue is completely off the table. And the UN says, “we welcome the decision by…..” Remember, the UN congratulated Eritrea and Djibouti for having Qatar mediate….and didn’t care whether it was really mediating and, indeed, 10 years later, nothing has happened on that front.

            The second thing he did is to tell TPLF who is boss. I am the Prime Minister of the whole country and that includes Tigray. In fact, when he spoke about his credentials as a soldier in 1998-2000, he is telling them my experience is more recent and more relevant to the issue at hand.

            I think IA hasn’t responded but somewhere in Adi Halo, he is giving him a standing ovation and saying, “finally! A worthy adversary!” 🙂

            saay

          • Amde

            Admiral Saay,

            You are in fine form. Carry on sir.

            Amdd

          • Selam Amde,

            It seems that some people are infatuated with pm Abiy much more than i used to be. Moreover, they are saying indirectly, “strike the iron while it is still hot”. Others are even advising him to show leadership by sending the national army if the local population refuse to leave, they tell him to ignore them if they call themselves ethiopians, etc. They must believe that here is somebody naive enough to give what they want on a platter without preconditions, and despite whatever ethiopians may say.

            All these while the following are floating in the air.
            – The Eritrean government should take the same stand without any prerequisite.
            – Ethiopia will abide by the Algiers Agreement if the regime in Asmara can sit down to talk on other issues.
            – Dialogue is required on a range of issues included in the Algiers agreement
            – The dialogue should address all issues as a package and not limited to border only.
            – Ethiopia doesn’t intend to automatically withdraw its troops.

            Remember, dialogue is anathema to dia/pfdj. I am afraid that pm Abiy may take them to the fountain, but they will return back without quenching their thirst. In addition, tplf could say, yes, we could convince ourselves while in the E.C.. but not all our supporters or the people of tigray.

            Without the consent of the local population which is directly affected, and the people of tigray in general, and even the whole tplf for that matter (which some people think wrongly that it is dead), nothing is going to happen, and it is better if Dr. Abiy avoids making the mistake of acting like an authoritarian ruler and carry the burden of creating chaos for the sake of looking a reformist. He should know when to dance (somebody must tell him not to dance easily, especially to the sound of a kebero), and when to leave the dance floor.

            Peace that stood on one leg and did not include the ethiopian people brought us the famous “no-war-no-peace” situation, and this time it could be chaos for ethiopia, while others will be dancing to the pm’s foolishness.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            It is funny Saay has changed frim mocking Abiy to seeing him as machiavellian as the best of them, and you think Hayat was right in seeing Abiy as smooth-talker out of his depth.

            Saay may be on to something. This thing is just beginning. Remember Asmara is already on the defensive.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            The people of lasta( wallo) has been and still deported from all over ethiopia for the last 7 years .
            What is going on ? U guys can’t stop it or u don’t think they don’t deserve to be treated as human?
            They do it by the name amara but u know they r laste.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, thanks for your concern, I’m doing fine; and for the effort you put to clarify this rather confusing statements made by the EPRDF and TPLF. If we look at implementing the EEBC ruling, it cannot be done without the two sides talking together for practical matters. There should be a genuine desire for peace to put this sad chapter behind and to let the people of both countries focus 100% in eradicating poverty. I’m sensing some pretty good will from PM Abiy, but the known culprits are holding to their antagonistic behaviours. I hope those who seek for peace and prosperity prevail over those with zero sum hegemonic intentions.

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            Thank you so much. This is your reign and turf where you shine most among other things. We sure are counting on you to walk us through murky and muddy announcements and pronouncements. Thanks again.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            You are too kind, but it is our collective effort. I am waiting for someone to tell me that even Article 1 of the Algiers Agreement is being violated right now, as we speak.

            So:

            Article 1: each party to refrain from threatening use of force of the other (violated by Ethiopia and Eritrea routinely)
            Article 2: comply with Geneva Convention when it comes to POWs and civilian detainees (big secret. Only the two governments know.)
            Article 3:In consultation with UN, Eritrea and Ethiopia, the OAU Chair will appoint a body to conduct investigation into the origin of the conflict. (not even started and totally ignored because we the people don’t deserve that information.)
            Article 4: boundary commission (done and needs implementation)
            Article 5: claims commission (done and needs implementation)

            So that’s the package. And if we want to say, lets deal with #4 and ignore the rest, good luck to us, for reasons I gave Tegadalay MS.

            saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam SAAY7,
            Just to add a tiny point. On the OAU investigative body that was never set up, the claims commission ended up doing the investigation in order to verify the claims. I am aware there is legal opinion that states the claims commission exceeded its authority. However, it is unlikely that an investigation 18 years after the end of the war will bring better results. On the question of POW, Eritrea has one very famous POW that it cannot deny since he was paraded on the streets, but doesn’t seem to be able to deliver to the ICRC either.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abrehet:

            The Claims commission took the claims and counter-claims that each party made and its investigation of the cause of the war was only to the degree of ascertaining the validity of the claim to award damages. On the other hand, the OAU investigative body was designed for the sole purpose of determining the origins of the conflict. The OAU was picked because its organs had already conducted such an investigation in 1999. Two different bodies with two completely different purposes. The latter was never set up and if Ethiopia wants to insist that it gets set up, it wouldn’t be because it really wants to know, but to use it as leverage and (this is the relevant part) a literal interpretation of the Algiers Agreement entitles it to that.

            On the other issue of complying with the Geneva Convention, it applies to soldiers (POWs) AND civilians (un-repatriated.). Again, this is leverage if Ethiopia wants to use it because if the Eritrean call is the EEBC is part of the Algiers Agreement (Article 4) and it’s non-negotiable, this issue is also part of the Algiers Agreement (article 2.) If you are talking about Colonel Bezabeh, before our Great Leader got into the habit of saying “I don’t know him, if I don’t him, how can I know where he is?” (with respect to Joshua, a man whose disappearance since 2001 he has cause), he actually told a Western journalist that he, the president, had personally interviewed him to ask, “hey, the last time we downed you, we released you; why are you back again?” And if the pilot is, as suspected dead, PIA can’t say, “what? I am shocked! I didn’t even know.”

            It is all leverage that Ethiopia has given itself by fully-accepting EEBC ruling.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            Let me give you my view. It is our land that is occupied. So if the Eritrean regime is serious about our occupied land, they must request the UN to reinstate the mechanism and come with the tools needed for demarcation, before some unknown factors derail the current decision of Ethiopia’s acceptance of the ruling. If the government of Eritrea failed to do so, then understand that it is not about the border.

          • Mez

            Dear Nitricc,

            “….two governments in Ethiopia. One in Addis and the other in Mekkele…”

            1) Absolutely correct, General.
            2) Regarding the problem at hand, the government in Addis will have to 100% listen to what Mekele is saying; and respect 100%.
            3) Mekele have to make 100% sure the communities, and people on the boarder area are listened–to their best wish.
            4) the same on the Eritrean side.
            5) amicable negotiation and open communication among all concerned is vital.
            6) currently, the PIA government is in a confused state–as how to respond; either way, there will be an avalanche of lively political activity in Asmara very soon, (Probably me and you have to early buy a ticket to Asmara) not to miss any thing, historically, vital.

            Thanks

          • Paulos

            Selam Mez,

            I think the Opposition should form government in exile so that they can fill in any void as things are not going to be business as usual in Eritrea from now on.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Regime enthusiasts won’t relish what you are suggesting even it’s practically very remote.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Let us discuss it openly..Let others say more.,

            KS,,

          • Mez

            Dear Paul,

            “…Opposition should form government in exile…”

            Most likely the political opportunity for that was missed a couple of years ago. Back then there was a real chance and to create an exil Eritrean government and then install it in ASSAB, Eritrea. The new government could have then immediately challenged the economic and political authority of PIA.

            But now, the Eritrean youth is scattered across the rural Eritrea, and around the globe. No way to accumulate the critical mass of determined youth in Asmara.

            Just my thought, thanks

          • Now inc.

            SAAY,
            You must have missed’em but there have been some responses from GoE representatives. Here is my favorite one
            Ambassador Estifanos:
            መርድእ.
            ሓመድ ድበ ወያነ ግዚኡ ሎሚ እዩ። ትማሊ ኣይኮነን። ጽባሕውን ኣይኮነን።

          • saay7

            Now Inc:

            Oh, Estifanos: he is our Trump. But I know why he says what he says: the ones who were defrosted after being frozen for years are always the most aggressive.

            The PFDJites haven’t made up their mind: the TPLF is dead and irrelevant. No no no, the TPLF is all-powerful it controls everything and Abiy is powerless. There is an Addis and Mekele govt 😂

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            I was not told that Vet Mahmud was in Hawaii for vacation. No wonder እሳት ለብሰው እሳት ጎርሰው እሳት እየተፉ የመጡት
            Next time l need to be consulted about his vacation destinations. I will send him where there is no fire raging.
            Are you kidding me! I’m waiting for him to cool down even to say hello.

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            Thanks for the warm welcome. Your reliable sources are not so reliable because I posted my abyotawi rebuff on Meskerem, not Meshrefet. In addition it was published by snitna and assenna, under the title “New or recycled?”
            Basically, I tried to argue that PMAA’s could be new if you take it from the infamous “five points” plan position. However, if you take Ethiopia’s acrobatic skills on this matter- the initial exuberant mood of FM Sium and his government in accepting it, then the reluctance and threat to withdraw from the agreement because the verdict was not “fair and just”, to changing their position to “acceptance “in principle” to now accepting it without precondition, it might not be new after all.
            I’m arguing we will see when Ethiopia makes practical moves, the first of which will be an official government’s communique, and letter to the UN and other guarantors.
            I also welcomed PMAA bold initiatives and my hope has never been this high because I see new good things blowing from Ethiopia. I wish him success. My quarrel is not with the people of Tigray or Ethiopians as a whole but with the elites of TPLF who have been busy to dismantle Eritrean nationhood. I don’t dismiss the fact that the majority of Tigray people want to reset the relationship with Eritrea. They have been the moving factor in emboldening the EC of EPRDF to take this bold initiative. I have to give credit to those who deserve it. Now, it is time for leadership to lead. There will be bumps. But the leaders of EPRDF and PFDJ and the head of states have to rise to the occasion.
            Before I go to answering your Halawa sawra type questions, I have a theory as to why Eritrea has not released an official press.
            1. There is a back channel and /or;
            2. Eritrea believes this is between the guarantors and Ethiopia because, on its part, it has been calling for the implementation of the EEBC for the last 16 years. Once it is notified officially by the UN, then it may seize the opportunity. But who knows what you speculated could not be ruled out. And if you ask me if I would do it differently, a big YES. PR is half of the job in winning public opinion. PMAA is a PR savvy. I don’t know if bxaay IA will keep up with him. I PMAA, please don’t tell Hayat.
            Now to your inquiry:
            1. I agree it is among the boldest, and certainly, it would need some sort of reply if you don’t consider your friend, ambassador Estifanos’ reply is not enough. I doubt there is no communication between the parties at this time, probably through a third party.
            2. Yes
            3. yes, but we are talking about the EEBC only. There was no problem with the claims commission. It ruled on claims and what remains is a technical matter. there is no much that could be of interest since the balance on each side was almost equal, they could cancel out or they could device other matter. And yes, they could talk about how to process that. The Algiers agreement also sought to form a commission that was supposed to investigate the causes and so on. That commission did not even take off. You know why better than me. I leave it to you.
            I want to make a couple of points clear;
            1. There will be talks between the governments and the facilitators (UN agencies) as far as administering the implementations of the verdict is concerned. I have to make that clear. We had a commission that represented Eritrea in coordinating the implementation of the cease-fire and the border delimitation process. The representatives of both countries were meeting regularly, facilitated by the UN. So, no negotiations pertain to no negotiation to alter the verdict (Hey that is just per fax I got from bxaay IA).
            2. The disagreement is on the border verdict, not on other issues. Ethiopia wanted to alter it through negotiation and Eritrea said: “No, a verdict is a verdict.” Please also see my replies to SEmereT, IsmailAA, Halaf megedi. I hope you will read my rationale there.
            Generally, I’m optimistic. The real TwgaH’mo is coming soon, maybe after 4-5 years. Until then sharpen your pencil and help Eritrea and, frankly, Ethiopia not to miss this opportunity. I like the new PM, and I believe he is sincere. I don’t know if the TPLF hardliners are in line.
            ምስ ሰውራዊ ሰላምታ
            ሓለንጊ ሰውራ ነዊሕ’ዩ (Emma, I’m joking).

          • saay7

            Haha MaHmuday:

            You call it meskerem I call it mesherfet, let’s call the whole thing off.

            Fast forwarding to item 3, you said, “yes but we are talking about EEBC only.” In the words of Tanto, who is this “we” kemosabe? If we mean the State of Eritrea and Ethiopia, that has changed as of last week. The reason demarcation was the issue (even the Human Rights Council which told us your bxay Isaias committed crimes against humanity demanded that Ethiopia comply with EEabC) was because Ethiopia had refused to accept it. Now that it has signaled it accepts it and will work for its expeditious implementation, then the whole Algiers agreement comes to play. Remember, the Gov of FDRE that got welcomed by the UN and celebrated by the whole world accepts the Algiers agreement *AND* the decision of the Commission.

            If you want to say let’s do the demarcation first then we will do the rest, good luck because you don’t have the law on your side, you don’t have morality on your side and you don’t have politics on your side.

            You don’t have the law on your side because nothing in the Algiers agreement says demarcation must be done before everything else.

            You don’t have morality on your side because while it is accepted and a culture in Eritrea to never ask about our POWs (how many do we have in Djibouti? What are their names? How many did we have in any of our conflicts?) and while it’s not in our culture to ask for repararions, apologies*, we can’t impose this culture on others specially those who insist on it.

            And you don’t have the politics on your side: nobody will do anything unless there is something in it for them. Ethiopia’s goals and Eritrea’s goals may not be identical: Ethiopia is selling regional and border peace and normalization. Eritrea is interested only in territorial integrity. The politics is in finding the overlaps and “pack up and get the hell out” is as bad as “maybe I will and maybe I won’t.”

            Finally you know when was the last time one of the two refused to talk? It was 1998-00 when Ethiopia said that it will not have face to face talks until Eritrea “packs and gets the hell out” of terriroties it didn’t exist in prior to May 1998. Two whole years were wasted in that stubbornness. We can’t keep alternating roles in this stupid game of one upmanship.

            saay

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            I was going to do my small walk and here you interrupt me. Rebi lsamHaka.
            Not sure why we can’t have some kind of agreement on this.
            1. if you are trying to justify why Gedab News headlined it as Ethiopia reiterating, you are wrong. Ethiopia has not reiterated but came up with a new position. It has been pressuring for a precondition, dialogue, designed to undo the EEBC ruling. Now, it is saying it has accepted the Algiers Agreement and its components, including the EEBC ruling, and is ready to implement it (mind you, not negotiate on it but implement it fully). This is a new position, not reiterating an old position.
            2. If you are debating with me in good faith, unlike the TPLF cadres, and if I read you correctly, I understand your point clearly. And I’m saying, “Sure, there will be talking on how to implement the Algiers Agreement including the EEBC (now, follow me on this).
            3. Talk or not talk: Ethiopia was seeking to talk to make amendments to the verdict and Eritrea said: “better to stick to the verdict.” Do you agree here? Otherwise, I have already stated that there will surely be talking about how to implement the agreement, not to alter it. I also reminded you that there were commissions set by both countries that would coordinate the implementation of the delimitation process. Ambassador Andebrahan was the commissioner from Eritrea and it is detailed in his book. I don’t recall the details now (say this for the general reader, I know you don’t need this reminder). So, there was talking my friend and there will be talking about resolving technical matters regarding the implementation process. What’s new is that Ethiopia has been insisting on negotiation to alter the verdict, and possibly extract some collateral benefits from Eritrea. among the items Ethiopian leaders including Meles Zenawi were raising were issues related to the removal of IA (disguised in peace), Sea access, holding on to the flash point, Badme and other Eritrean-ruled villages saying ” we should not split families” and so on.
            4. Where are we in the process? I see you mixing issues if it is not my low blood sugar (not a typical diabetic but it is late in the evening).
            4.1. The claims commission has finalized its verdict, and there are no billions of dollars to fight on. Both countries can sort this out or they can let their balances cancel out. It is shameful that a war that has caused all this mayhem came down to claims in the millions. So this is not a sticking point. sure it will come with the revival of the Algiers Agreement but it is not a contentious issue.
            4.2. Issues of POWS: Let me pass aside the morality issue and talk about facts. To my knowledge both countries exchanged POWS. If there are cases of “missing in action soldiers” it will not be that sticking and it was not in the first place. I never heard Ethiopia claiming it has POWS in Eritrea. Have you? I would like to know. Even if it exists it has never come out as a contentious issue.
            4.3. EEBC. This is the contentious issue and this is the main one, my friend. So, we should not raise an unnecessary amount of dirt (ደሮና) to justify Ethiopia’s prior positions or give it additional amplification.
            I think you are desperately trying to justify Gedab News heading which read:Ethiopia Reiterates Its Acceptance of The Boundary Ruling.
            No, Ethiopia did not reiterate its prior positions, it has changed. I don’t know if it will act on its latest position or will be another twist in the ongoing saga (Ethiopia versus Ethiopia), it is the one accepting, rejecting, then accepting it in principle, now accepting it without precondition.
            Finally: 1. Yes, there will be communications, meetings negotiations on how to implement the EEBC, not to change the verdict; the rest of the components have never been contentious and if there is an issue to talk about, I think it is not a problem.
            2. The main sticking issue is EEBC, and even that, it is in its latest phase. It has been delimited. What’s remaining is demarcate it.
            3. The backbone and the contentious component is EEBC. Call it any way you want it will still be about EEBC and the UN has done a good job at finalizing it and demarcating it virtually. It should be easier today than it was in early 2000.
            Wo deHanka .

          • saay7

            Hahah MaHmuday:

            It is the sugar level. How can you think I agree with Gedab News heading that this is a reiteration when I have been saying (oh, I don’t know, 17 times), that this is a brand new, revolutionary position? Go eat, buddy! Then I will tell you just because WE think EEBC is it doesn’t mean the Algiers Agreement is all about EEBC:) It is most of it but all of it.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother MaHmuday,

            I am enjoying your give and take posts. Please, put like this always.

            KS,,

          • Hope

            SAAY:
            Hope U don’t mean that unless Human Rights abuses have to improve,Demarcation should be the last thing?
            Why are you guying trying to complicate things and try to be experts on Philosophy 191 and English 101,for God’s sake?
            I thought the entire reason for the Socio-economic and political demise Eritrea has faced/Exodus,migrants,etc…. for the last 20 yrs is and has been due to the so called border impasse?
            Which is the case,BTW-wether U agree or not.
            U know well that the whole TPLF’s agenda and actions have been to execute that dirty policy in their very own words.

            Please,no need to appease someone or express solidarity with any one but just apply commonsense logic.

            In other words, even if u don’t agree with my naive assertion, why can’t we push for the TPLF’s immediate withdrawal at least to give no more excuses for PIA….??
            Which law are U talking about when u said that ..” the law is NOT on your side”??
            BTW,does the Algiers agreement mention any “Law” that allows the TPLF to refuse to abide by the law or to do or say whatever it wants to say or to do?

          • blink

            Dear Saay
            You call meskerem Meshrefet , You are more than that Saay . Many people expect you to stay above this childish attitude (about things that you don’t need in your belt ) . I personally would like saay the great to stay away from such things.

            How is awatecom different ? Are You counting on the weyane cadre You enjoy debating in this forum, trust me you don’t need them because you have many Eritreans who look at you ? I mean how can a person with Your status say such things ? What ever difference you have with Meskerem shouldn’t come out because you never know .

          • blink

            Dear saay .
            Give me the chance to defend myself because you are accusing me from your own understanding because I believe I have never ever used any slur or racist word in this entire comment section of this article or any . Bring the prove ?
            You don’t like my view I know it because I am not here to support that I don’t believe. Racist? Ahm who .
            There is zero racial slur in my entire comment in this forum. I would like to see them if they ever exist in the entire awatecom forum section after that if I misshaped my words I will explain and if I admit they are racist. I will delet my ID and remove my entire comment in this website and never ever type awate.com .

            Bring the prove ? Yes I said Ethiopian leaders are deceitful and backstabbes and I have a prove to show it . What else do you have .

          • blink

            Dear HM
            You are the last person to say anything about anyone because you have nothing to offer except trying to knote a valuabless thing in support of the backstabbing culture.

          • Hope

            HM:
            U said:
            ” But, the lack of imagination, vision, strategic thinking, compassion and courage you showed on this comment is astounding”.
            Please reread Mahmuday’s comment and clarify you statement as it sounds a serious allegation .
            U sound to have more than Abi.s Sea’s Snake’s attitudes.(halaf menghedi or Halafi ,Menghedi?)

      • Mez

        Dear Semere T,

        ” …The Tigreans don’t have a say on it….”

        1) Almost always, action is local and impact is global. There is hardly any meaningful peace by ignoring (inputs of) private citizens and communities; there is no legal stipulation in any international case which didn’t give a pass-over for such minor eventualities.
        2) on the other hand, probably, the Ethiopian ruling coalition had actually achieved what it want: bringing the Eritrean government on the diplomatic defensive; May not need any thing for coming couples of years.

        Thanks

        • blink

          Dear Mez
          Your number one point is a pure lie that didn’t have a shred of truth but you are bending to make the weyane point which is your way of saying “ weyane are right” let’s negotiate. What a loser point of is this this.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Mez

          ” Almost always, action is local and impact is global. There is hardly any meaningful peace by ignoring (inputs of) private citizens and communities; there is no legal stipulation in any international case which didn’t give a pass-over for such minor eventualities.”

          I don’t know what book you’ve been reading and I don’t know to which Neftegna you’ve been listening, but this is the cold truth…………..

          ALL AFRICAN BORDER DISPUTES ARE RESOLVED COLONIAL BOUNDARIES AS THEIR REFERENCE. THAT IS AN AFRICAN CHARTER YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED ON.

          The Kunamas don’t have a say on it; Tigreans on both sides of the Mereb River don’t have a say on it, the Irobs don’t have a say on it, and the Afars don’t have a say on it. Their fate and the fate of their kin on the other side the fence was long sealed when your Meneli II signed the Ethio-Eritrean border treaty with the Italian colonial power in 1900, 1902, and in 1908. Period.

          But your Woyanes, true to their color and character, reneged their obligation to honor the colonial treaty to solve the Ethio-Eritrean “border” dispute, and forced the two poor people to fight a senseless bloody war in 1998. Only at the end, to accept the same colonial boundary with a little tweak (EEBC).

          And a decade and half after your government signed to honor the EEBC border ruling, still your government has yet to meet its obligation to put the Ethio-Eritrean border issue behind us.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Mez

            Good Day Semere T.,

            1) Respect for political contenders is the first step of a political solution.
            2) I hope this border problem will now be solved, to the best interest of all.

            Thanks

          • Hope

            Mez:
            I might agree with U and would have done more so if your were to say:
            “Respect to the International Law and Norms”is the FIRST and foremost step to all International Conflicts”.

      • Selam Semere Tesfai,

        You are telling us that the local population, the peoples of ethiopia and eritrea and even eplf/pfdj and tplf/eprdf, who are responsible for the problem, have no say on the issue of the ethio-eritrean border problem and the decision of the eebc, but the two sovereign governments. These governments do not exist in a vacuum and they are a reflection of their constituencies and their people, unless they are two deaf and blind entities, who are waiting for the world community to hold their hands and lead them to where they should go.

        Look, dia/pfdj can ignore the people, but not the ethiopian government. There is a big lesson and experience as much as ethiopia is concerned. When governments refuse to listen, they are kicked out. It is as simple as that. If, for example, the people of tigray says “NO”, do you expect the ethiopian government to send the army against them? Do you believe that such a thing would ever happen in ethiopia?

        Again, if you believe that global powers would waste their precious time nursing the arrogance and ignorance of two backward african countries, again you are mistaken. They have already forgotten about the small problem somewhere in africa that has been inflated beyond its actual size a million times, because the governments happen to be clueless, and they are not in the position to see the poverty and misery of their people.

        You can wait another 50 yrs and the problem of badme will still be there. You have been waiting for godot, the international powers and organizations, to solve a problem created by dia/pfdj war mongering and tplf’s betrayal, over the last decade and half, and yet you still hope. There is only one solution. That is, you have to go and get it yourself, if you cannot wait for the right time to come.

        A month or two ago, the israeli government insinuated that it is ready to incorporate the golan heights into israel, and nobody said anything. The usa moved its embassy to jerusalem and the result is more death for the palestinians, and nothing else happened to protect the rights of the palestinian people. Do you think that your case is more important than these?

        I blame the whole situation on pm Abiy, who, although he has so many serious things to handle, yet, he chose to tackle this stagnant and dormant issue at the wrong time when ethiopia faces so many problems.

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Don’t go far because Amde is one of the hard liners. Forget Oromo and Amhara because now than ever they don’t trust weyane.

    I believe if the PM somehow got down by junta or by someone lunatic from Tigray that would be the best scenario to watch . Imagine if the young PM got plane accident or car accident ? Can you watch the horror. I would because that would eliminate weyane once for ever from the face of this political debate. I mean pay one get millions free.

  • sara

    Ato abiy,
    Dont worry the IRON WALLis coming,funding is no problem thanks to all of you here in this forum.

  • Amde

    Hi አቢቲ

    You know after posting the Ambassel line, I thought I would prefer Irrikum as National Anthem.

    There was semi-serious discussion a while ago about a “chantable” name for the Czech Republic… you know something like “USA!! USA!!” Or Ityopia! Ityopia!.. I don’t think they ever came to a decision. But ever since then I have thought National Anthems should not be the formal slow cadence things, but rhythmic pulsating rising to a crescendo. Ambassel fails that test.

    But Irri-Kum! with a big brass finish.. well that by itself will guarantee a couple more goals and a few more gold medals. It is danceable and chantable. Like the indeterminate androgynous people, it could be Amara or Oromo, Afar or Tigray. The young and old can dance to it. The infirm can sway to it. Irri-Kum!! Lets make it the Wollo national anthem and work our way from there.

    Amde

    • Abi

      Amdachin
      I agree. With that chanting we can win the next World Cup.
      Irrikum Irrikum megala my favorite song from wollo, the land of the beautiful people.
      የሰይጣን ጆሮ አይስማ
      Btw, I’m enjoying your exchanges with adults and children alike.
      You are giving a blinking hope to the children.

  • Amde

    አቶ Hope የመተከል ጓዴ

    Did I say anything about Eritrea, its people, resilience etc..to warrant a መለስተኛ አካኪ ዘራፍ ? I am just describing things as I see them. Don’t see a plot everywhere.

    If I say there is no constituency for EEBC in Ethiopia, there are three logical follow-up Options:
    A) Compel Ethiopia to implement EEBC as is.
    B) Build an Ethiopian constituency for EEBC as is.
    C) Amend EEBC so it is more palatable to both sides.

    It seems PFDJ is working on Option
    D) which is to wait until a more “compellable” Ethiopia emerges.

    So, let’s say Isayyas dies tomorrow. How do you think the Eritrean position on EEBC will change? Do you think the new boss will keep to Option D? What do you think the new boss should do? If you say it should be Option D, then it is immaterial whether Isayyas lives or dies.

    Amde

  • Saleh Johar

    Hope,
    I read and understand the views of the two colleagues and I was not looking for a clarification or translation. Thank you. If you have an answer, put them here without any fats, extras like “nonessential academia-like metaphysical Logic”. Nonsense to whom? It’s not universal judgment your are passing but your individual views. So, add a disclaimer “in my opinion” and stop talking like god from above. My worry, to be very blunt, is that there are many who would throw themselves into the lap of the PFDJ, openly, in they achieve some narrowly defined objectives. Unfortunately, I suspect you are one of them. Please decrease the level of unnecessary fats in your comments and stick to the point. And don’t do Tlq Biye if you have nothing to add.

  • blink

    Dear All
    Listen to the Tigrian talkative guy talking two conflicting points
    1. He said he accepts the algeries agreement yet he said he is not willing to do anything.
    2. He continue to say discussion and discussion
    3. He is challenging the new PM just to see his will
    4. Tigrian leaders are as always lairs just as Yohannes and many other Ethiopian leaders

    So what is Abyi going to do to these people (to the Tigrians ) can the Oromo guy crush the Tigrian leaders who are looking at guns just to continue their evil divide and rule game.

    https://tigrigna.voanews.com/a/tigray-tplf-eprdf-press-statement-eritrea-ethiopia-badme-/4430827.html

    • Peace!

      Hi Blink,

      So Gedab News is correct for using the word reiterates? I don’t know why few people in the forum were not happy. The only problem I have with the news is that the government of Ethiopia, or parliament for that matter, has not voted or declared anything new. Apparently, it is EPRDF’s new approach which already facing stif opposition from people of Tigray in particular Erope tribe.

      Peace!

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Peace,

        Don’t blame them, they were reiterating their prejudice and discomfort with what Gedab News reports 🙂 Not Blink though, he has a single issue, I stand corrected, three issues: Weyane, Tigrai, Habesha.

        • blink

          Dear SG
          YES if you dismantle these you find peace.

      • blink

        Dear peace
        Gedeb editorial is just repeating the weyane line not the current EPRDF leader point of view. Peace pls mention one date that Meles expressed in the same lines as Abyi ? Mention one date , you can not find and GN can not find . GN seems in line with the current Tigrians explanation and I don’t know if they were in contact with the Tigrians really .

        The editorial seems in support of the weyane line .

        • Saleh Johar

          Poor Blink,

          it is a news report and not an editorial. But go ahead and be nasty as usual.

          Sometimes your jingoism is amazing. Also, your wild calls to deport people–what makes you different than the rest of the racists we have? My dear, Final and Binding is all about a ruling but there is nothing that guarantees its implementation. Repeating the importance of the ruling gives the impression you are all for justice… but you fail when you never call for the implementation of justice when it comes to the tens of thousands of Eritrean victims. Using your own logic of accusing others, you are a diehard PFDJ supporter because you advance no position of your but the PFDJ’s. Isn’t that a fair assessment?

          The PFDJ you are trying to save has confirmed it is an old Ethiopian position, and you even repeated the 16 years blabla. what is your problem? Maybe because your emotional, premature celebration was cut short?

          The Weyane are very lucky because they have dumb opponents like the PFDJ and its supporters for an enemy. People who are all emotions and zero rational. Jingoism and foolishness.

          • blink

            Dear SG

            Lol , I don’t blame you sir , remember you accuse me of being agazian and now PFDJ . What’s wrong with you sir , can’t people have their own views on the border issues? Who told you this is about prisoners?? I am not looking at your lecture here because I swear to you that I don’t need you. But the GN article is again just a weyane repeated views nothing more nothing less , say what ever you wanted .The weyane has been always lucky with poor opponents infact we can start about the poor opponents from ELF time ( I am sure you know that) . Me , Hard PFDJ !!!👂on the border issue is better than a weyane grown babies sir . I better repeat the right thing than bending the truth to apease my summer house destination in Ethiopia . I am not sure which side are you on this border because what I am saying is only and squarely about the border not about prisoners in Eritrea or Ethiopia .since you wanted it to be about PFDJ and I can happily say that PFDJ and the Eritean sovereignty is 180 degree apart. PFDJ will go to the dirty but washing weyane dishes is a disgrace and history will not forget this .

            The heading of the article and the main part of the article is all wrong from my view .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            In a civilized discourse, “The heading of the article and the main part of the article is all wrong from my view .” would be proper and enough expression of a view. But all these weyane and dishes talk says a lot about you. Huble yourself, you are not the sole esoinsible person about Eritrea. You just have 1/3,500.000 part of Eritrea. Humble yourlf and try to espouse some oprogressive ideas instead of yu archaic racist view and disrespectful posture. You are a distraction and no added value comes from your comments, just bickering and posturing like you ae the only Eritrean arund! Don’t provok people and do not hide your soft side for you know who…

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Come on again? why would I need to be even less 1/3.5 m not able to comment about Eritrea , do someone need to be Eritrean to say a thing about this border issue? To your disappointment Eritreans are all in line advocating for their land while some weyane babies are doing the opposite .

            I am not racist at all and I am 100% sure not betting for PFDJ but this border issue is beyond domestic politics too. I don’t care if Eritrea has a fledged democracy or a dictator the feeling about Eritrea remains the same ( at least that’s how I see it).
            I don’t comment to provoke someone because I find no one that can be provoked on this issue because these who advocate weyane viewpoint are all on purpose and these who advocate for Eritrea are with truth and the only way to debate someone with the truth is by accusing as PFDJ supporter .

            The weyane grown babies, oh yes this is true sir because they have been telling us that Badme doesn’t matter . They have been working and advocating for weyane ever since they smelled the Sanaa money.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nope Blink,
            I am trying to show you how the thing can be applied to you. You call anyone who doesn’t agree with your warped view and jingoism is a Weyane, therefore using your own yardstick, you are PFDJ. That is what I tried to explain to you. but please spare me your border this border that–I have been with it for twenty years, spare me your amateurish explanations and emotional outbursts.

          • blink

            Dear SG
            It seems I am growing in to it then .
            Ok ok . https://youtu.be/l3xZ7wZEv00

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei.
      LOL blink. What you wish to do is what tplf has been doing for the last …. years ie you cant force Ethiopians to what ever goal you are aiming so you want blood shade between ethnic groups. While they are at it then you come up as a victorious and do more harms. This is what i always say tplf and eplf are the same working in two different lands. They are at odds because they were not agreed how to divide the stolen wealth.

  • Mesfin

    Good dy Awate Team.

    It is good to talk about the development we hear on social media. Dr Abiy and alike have recognize Eritrea as a sovereign state and would like to work on lasting solution to the problems created by bandits. Now, there are civil and political organizations that are advocating for the rejection of the idea presented by Abiy. Another group, mainly from Eritrean ‘opposition’ groups are hoping to hear some honey talk from DIA, which is very disappointing.

    Why can’t the movements in the diaspora come up with some suggestion to meet the Ethio government and work along his/Ethio plans? According to my understanding, we are losing the fight as Eritreans. Eritrean Justice Seekers have divided themselves into Agaizians, Tigray Tigrinyee, Unionist, and Eritrea as a Sovereign State. This shows that we are weak and a possibility of the United Nation to discuss our matters without is being part of the discussion. Can we do something?

    Are we going to do the same as our grandfathers did in the 40ts. They we divided and were lost in politics.

    Regards,
    Mesfin

    • blink

      Dear Mesfin
      There is nothing a weyane grown babies can do about Eritreans land. The fact that you think such shows how blind and ignorant about the border issue you are. You are in a dark in this.The opposition are in no place to be seen as caretakers of Eritrea sovereignty. They are not even in their own stand. They have sold Eritreans and Eritrea to the Sanaa forum just to travel to awasa. They even said sovereignty is not important because they are going to make kunama and afar countries.If you wanted to know please google awate archives and you will find articles by mini Afar talkatives , so that you know . The mini Afar state main state channel was awatecom just few months ago , how could you not know . Saay can give you the key to read their so many bla bla

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Because for some diaspora this kind of forum is more like a hobby ( a cheap one for that matter) than a struggle for a betterment of their own people at home. Remember a good deal of them have made themselves diaspora becuause their families are the one who owns mother lands at home. They are abroad because they can thanks to their family who oppressed millions at home.

  • AMAN

    Greetings All
    Dear Awates
    I came very close ( with only 1.5 % left ) to finish
    and conclude my job.
    98.5 % of it is almost covered and done and will
    soon be announced on the print media for All
    Awate community and the general public.
    Stay tuned.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Gash Abi

    If we learn to respect each other and remain on our side of the fence (as a confidence and trust building), the wall will melt down before we even feel the effect of its existance.

    Semere Tesfai

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Abi,

    I am enjoying your posts,, “Qey Bahirachin ….”

    KS..

  • Saba

    Selam Hope,
    Good to see you here. Meskerem* found an old article(2013) in tesfanews* about what the Eritrea stance is: “Let Ethiopia withdraw in the morning to start a dialogue in the afternoon”. It takes two to tango for peace.
    *Meskerem, Tesfanews & Awate.com are Eritrean websites run by fledgling journalists.

  • Saba

    Hi Kekob Selam,
    How are you doing? I hope you are doing great. God bless you!
    You
    want to know the main cause of the war between Eritrea and Ethiopia? It
    was due to a radio program in DimtSi HafaSh called “ZeRiGha & Aboy
    ZaRQon”. Zeriga was brash braggadocios man who was insulting everyone
    including the “SiGhir DoBe”(You could read between the lines some insult
    to weyane). Aboy Zarqon was mellow man and he was “pace” with Adey
    FetiYen.
    I am kidding lol. That radio program preceded the war by few
    months but was not the cause. There were more than one cause of the war
    but Badme became the focal point. It is like “Agubaz Adina ab Ruba
    YiKalesu”.
    Before the war broke I heard once about Badme and it was from an ELF member.
    Saba

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yep Dear Saba,

      Now, I think you are close ( near) to the main cause..

      KS,,

  • Saba

    Dear Eritreans & Ethiopians,
    1) the ball is still in the Ethiopian court because Ethiopia did not withdraw
    from the occupied Eritrean territories. Eritrea has already accepted fully the
    final and binding EEBC ruling 16 years ago. There is nothing to repeat here.
    2) Refreshing lecture for the proponents of dialogue. Here is the sequence of
    events how it went between Eritrea and Ethiopia.
    They started a dialogue about Badme–>they couldn’t agree–>war–>arbitration–>final
    and binding EEBC ruling–>Ethiopia initially accepted the ruling–>but
    when they realized they have lost they requested a dialogue–>No war no
    peace.
    Every time they lose Ethiopia is demanding something new endlessly and that is unrealistic
    Eritrea could also dialogue AD NAUSEUM until they get everything they want and
    that is unrealistic.
    Both parties have to lose something as a result of dialogue or arbitration.They
    went to war because they could not dialogue. If they could not dialogue the
    only option left is to accept the arbitration.

  • Aron

    Hi all,
    All our discussion in all ERI websites in general and awate in particular is mainly concerning Ethiopia. It is almost we are excessively obsessed. We rarely talk about Sudan Djibouti or other neighbors. We are over analysing Ethiopias problems while we got plentiful of our own. Doesn’t make sense.
    Aron the habesha.

    • abdulworld

      Hello Aron,
      There is an article written by Yohannes Zerai that has nothing to do Ethiopia. Did you participate in it? And why do you have name- “the habesha” if you are Eritrean why don’t put Aron the Eritrean… I assume habesha includes Eritrean and Ethiopian also?

      • Aron

        Hi abdulworld,
        Don’t get me wrong, I’ve no problem discussing Ethiopia, I am only concerned about the sheer size of it.
        I call my self habesha because I am one. I call my self habesha to show our existence and to respond to the people who want our id erased.
        Your third point habesha denotes that Ethiopia and eritrea, indeed that is true unless you know different. I am Eritrean habesha who believes my nation (tigrigna) one out of the nine includes tigray.
        Aron the habesha.

        • abdulworld

          Hello aron
          I think there is limited news coming from Eritrea maybe that is reason. Trust me if Eritrea had free press… most folks here wouldn’t care about Ethiopia.
          So, you are habesha to indicate that you are ethnic tigrina? Aren’t the amhara also habesha?

          • Aron

            Hi abdulworld,
            Yes amharas and some smaller minorities in Ethiopia and Eritrea may be habesha. Amhara succeeded splitting the tegaru in collaboration with colonial powers to tighten their hold on power. Time and charismatic leader will once again reunite the once same people.
            Aron the habesha.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei. True.
      But the thing is in Ethiopia the dynamic is to fast and many of the things happening in Ethiopia concerns Eritrea too. Besides there goes nothing in Eritrea. People accepted the pfdj as savior and Basta. Think for a while that if eplf was challenged the way tplf challenged from the very beginning.

      • Aron

        Hi Mitiku,
        The eri discussion forums are taken over by ethio issues way more than ERI issues was the point i was trying to make.
        Aron the habesha.

  • saay7

    Haha Abi:

    But when I am presented with facts, I change my mind.

    So for years I did wonder why there are so many songs about Ambasel when all the pics and videos I have seen show a place that looks like…..Keren. Just a bunch of barren and rocky hills and more rocks. Then Fanti Ghana (who apparently works in the tourism industry) said he had driven there from Asab and oh the people oh the land ምናምን ምናምን and of course St Fanti never exaggerates or tells a lie so I changed my mind.

    saay

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Dr Paulos & All,

    Below is a call fromour young Eritrean academician, Dr Awet, on the decision of the Ethiopian Government, regarding the border issue. I fully agree on the steps that should be taken in order to find the final conclusion on the Ethio-Eritrean conflict.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156262386666215&id=61983121

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      Thank you for the link. Do you remember the G-13? The manifesto starts with words: “…..እዚ ሃገርና ትኸዶ ዘላ መገዲ የስጋኣና ስለ ዘሎ…..” Professor Awet is proposing the same thing to the same person and of course in a different time frame. When the regime reduced the manifesto into personal matters, the recent unconditional acceptance of the verdict will turn into a vicious cycle as well till it serves the regime its nefarious purpose.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Dr. Pasulos

        I also remember the same..It is simply wonderful as you said it..

        KS,,

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        Yes I do. But the despot, knowing he lost the war and his dream, he scared of complete losing his power, and turn down their plea to focus on consolidating his power grip on the Eritrean people. Since then the border issue became an instrument of holding the Eritrean people as a hostage of his anger of losing the war.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat

          1. – ” The despot (Isaias Afewerki), knowing he lost the war and his dream, he scared of complete losing his power………….”

          What are you talking about? Are you under the influence of something? Losing the war, his power, and his dream to who? To you? To the opposition?

          2. – Until the Ethiopian army unconditionally leaves sovereign Eritrean territories, the PFDJ government should say nothing, should do nothing, should promise nothing….. to no body.

          THE ERITREAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD RESPOND IN KIND TO DEEDS, BUT NOT TO WORDS.

          And Addis leaders has yet to learn to walk the walk

          3.- In order for any Addis regime, to fully accept the EEBC ruling and implement it on the ground, we Eritreans and our government (any Eritrean government) don’t have to love them, we don’t have to kiss them, we don’t have to forget what they did to us, we don’t have to be ashamed of our heroic victories against them, we don’t have to have good relation with them, we don’t have to trade with them, we don’t have to be nice to them………… all we have to do is RESPECT their sovereignty as a nation and NOT BE THREAT to their national interest and national security.

          4. – Today all the talk we’re having is about BORDER, about an issue between two sovereign nations, about an issue that concern every proud citizen of the two nations. Don’t bring ifs and buts…..

          DON”T MIX-UP DOMESTIC ISSUES WITH THE BORDER ISSUE

          They are separate issues and problems that should be tackled on different settings and times.

          Semere Tesfai

          • MS

            Ahlan SemereT
            I agree. The ball is still in the Ethiopian court. The Eritrean gov could release some sort of press for PR purpose, but as you put it, Eritrea had accepted the verdict of the Permanent Court of Arbitration and has been calling for its implementation. Additionally, there are steps the gov of Ethiopia should take among which is notifying the UN officially that it is ready to move on allowing the demarcation process to proceed from where it stopped, basically placing the pillars. The border has already been delimited with a virtual demarcation done.
            But you have the same folks who were debating that the Algiers Agreement was breached by Eritrea because it had kicked out the UN troops, something Ethiopia did not claim and certainly something the UN did not say.
            the second point is even more important, and that is, Eritrean domestic affairs should be discussed separately. The mixing usually comes deliberately for narrow political scores.
            Generally, I’m more hopeful than ever. I wish the PM success, but he should know Eritreans are tired of promises. The military man he is, when it comes to Eritreans, he should talk small and act big because we have seen past broken promises.
            I’m also hopeful for both peoples that the proxy wars will end, that the mini-dictators (war lords) hosted by both countries to harass the other, hopefully mind their business and let the peoples of both countries sort out their domestic affairs peacefully. As far as Eritreans are concerned, and I’m sure Ethiopians have similar priority, I think, the immediate needs are;
            1. peace and regional stability
            2. jobs/ improvement of life, mobility of ideas and goods across the region
            The rest of political issues will naturally resolve when you have those requisites are fulfilled.
            Gracias.

          • Haile S.

            መርሓባ ማሕሙድ፡
            መቸም ናተይ ዘረባ ብዘይ ለኸፋ እይከውንን። ልመዶ። ኣነሲ ኣብ ካልእ ሜዳ ክትጽሕትር ምስ ርኤኹኻ፡ ዋይ እዚ ማሕሙድ እንታይ ወሪድዎ፡ ኣብ ምትዃብ ከይንቃጸጾ ድ’ዩ በይኑ ዝጽሕትር ኢለ ሓምየካ ነይረ። እንቛዕ ደሓን መጻኻ። መታኹብቲ ረኺብና። ኣብዚ ስገምን፡ ስርናይን ሰዓዕን መሊኡ ኣሎ። Welcome!

          • MS

            መርሓባ HaileS
            Thanks a lot. ኩሉ ግዜ ዝደጋግሞ ኣሎ (I’m not impersonating IA) ነቶም እንሓንሳብ እውን ጸረፍናዮምን እንዳ ነቐፍናዮምን፡ እሞ ከኣ ዝግባእ ደገፍ ከይገበርናሎም፡ ርኢቶታትና ዘተኣናግዱ ምስጋናይ ጥራይ እየ ዘቕርብ። ብዓይነይ ዓዋተ ይኹን መስከረም፣ ኣሰና፡ ስኒትና ወይ ኣዝማሪኖ፡ ተስፋ-ነውስ ይኹን ወይ ካልኦት መደበራት ሚድያ፡ ዝተፈላለየ ርኢቶታት ዘለዎም በጻሕቲ ወይ ነበብቲ ይእንግዳ። ዝጽሕፎ ንመን እንተበጽሐ ዝያዳ የድምዕ ኢለ እየ ዝሓስብ እምበር ነተን ሚድያ መደበራት ኣይኮንኩን ዘወዳድር ዘለኹ ( ሓንቲ ኣይትቐርበንን ሓንትን ኣይትርሕቐንን)። ዝበዝሑ በጻሕትን ተጠቐምትን ናይዘን ወብሳይታት ድማ ኤርትራውያን እዮም፡ ብዛዕባ ሃገሮም ይግደሱ እዮም። ናይ ኣረኣእያ ፍልልያት ጥራይ እዩ ዘሎ ንሱ ድማ ብከላም ሰሪሕ (frank talk) እዩ ክጸብብ ዝኽእል። i’m still here, but as I often say it, I have no loyalty to any entity but to my beliefs which keep evolving as I learn more. I hate rigid and dogmatic views.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mahmoud,
            ሓተታኻ ኣብ ዓወተ ዝተናፈቐ መሲሉኒ እንድ’ኣሉ። ንነዊሕ ጊዜ ኣይትሓክል እምበር፡ ጽቡቕ ገበርካ!። እንቛዕ ኣለፋለፍኩኻ ጥራይ 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brave Mahmud..

            Nice to see you back..Welcome back,,my friend..

            KS,,

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam MS

            Thank you Mahmud Hawey.
            It is because of people like you and opinions like yours, I come to Awate everyday and remain optimistic about the future of Eritrea. Again, thank you.

            Semere Tesfai

          • sara

            Semere, selamat…
            Do you know what was the teplate applied for the hanish conflict resolution and its aftermath with yemen. I mean the un role,eritrean action,and yemen.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmoud,

            You wrote, “… the second point is even more important, and that is, Eritrean domestic affairs should be discussed separately. The mixing usually comes deliberately for narrow political scores…

            You believe the items should be discussed separately, what of others believe they are inseparable? How could you be sure it is deliberately for narrow political scores?

            Importantly, don’t you think you are taking the debating of the case as if it is being carried out in a parliament that we own and that should itemize the agenda?

            People have different views on the boudary/national issues and you can equally be accused as advancing narrow political agenda–but that doesn’t get us anywhere. I suggest you just accept it as a different viewpoint.

            I also have a problem with what you think is needed (as a priority I suppose) when you wrote;

            1. peace and regional stability
            2. jobs/ improvement of life, mobility of ideas and goods across the region

            The above items are long term goals that need quite a serious job to achieve. And I do not believe they can be achieved in the absence of rule of law, freedoms and overall justice. For no economic development can be attained, not jobs be created, when gang is running the country. To me, the issue of justice is so vital to be postponed until enough jobs are ceated.

            See Mahmoud! It is not narrow or wide agenda–it is an issue of differenet views. And that is at the core of what many of us consider diversity, in everything.

          • MS

            Selam SaleH
            I don’t necessarily disagree with how you put it. But to make it clearer: I discen three distinctive positions when it comes to the resolution of the border.
            1. The border demarcation should be handled as an interstate matter. All Eritreans should call and push for its completion with out ifs and buts. It involves international law, and its resolution is of pure technical matter. Eritrean domestic matter should be handled separately. For instance one can call on the government of Eritrea to liberalize the political atmosphere, and meanwhile, observe the rule of law (let the laws of the land work as they were intended to), something I have been doing, and at the same time call Ethiopia to do the right thing which is allowing the border to be demarcated as per EEBC verdict.
            2. Solving the border would strengthen IA’s grip on power and that would delay the reign of rule of law. Therefore, the border’s resolution should be part and parcel of IA removal, or compelling IA to make radical change
            3. We are doing well, our gov is pure and efficient; there is no political issue to oppose; there is no opposition but sellouts. the border is not demarcated because of America, when America calls, Ethiopia will have to answer. Until then, let’s move (nKId traay).
            All the above are positions, viewpoints, based on how each of us assess the situation. As humans do, sometimes we combine viewpoints, some times we dissent even from our larger cluster, and so on. So, yes, I accept that it should be seen as differences in viewpoints and not necessary evil intention.
            Thanks, Sir.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmoud,
            I agree with you, but the separation of issues is something I see as useful for casual consumption. I do not see it going beyond ego massaging. If we talk about Eritrea, as you know, as long as one advances the PFDJ line of reasoning, there will not be any problem. But if you disagree with its definition of sovereignty and nationalism, you are a sellout. I do not consider the PFDJ a legitimate entity to advance its line of thinking. Simply, it is not geared towards the national interest of Eritrea but its continuation. And those who appear as bleeding hearts for sovereignty include bigots, sectarians, and simply Lampen opportunists who care about nothing. I will have to see myself lines alongside there crowds. So, indeed, we have people who are advancing Ethiopian intersts–be it in the opposition or the PFDJ camp. We have lunatics in both camps.

            But do you really mean this :3. We are doing well, our gov is pure and efficient; there is no political issue to oppose; there is no opposition but sellouts. the border is not demarcated because of America, when America calls, Ethiopia will have to answer. Until then, let’s move (nKId traay).

            There is no political issue? And what if I tell you they are running to America that they called all names, will you have the same views? I think the situation is moving fast and being slow to calmly observe the issues is prudent so that we will not be forced to swallow our tongues as the saying goes.

            Thank you Mahmuday

          • MS

            Ahlan SaleH
            I may not a good writer (communicator), but I have been advancing the idea that one can be advocating for Eritrea’s sovereignty (defending the sovereignty of a country has nothing to do with supporting the government; it does not condone any of the government’s actions) and at the same time pressure the Eritrean government to address issues surrounding the rule of law. So, as cousin Hope indicated, I’m not saying that one should be put aside for the other to take prominence. They could both take prominence but we discuss them separately. Remember, PFDJ os a political machine and it will use every opportunity to use it. Other political organizations also the same. But as private citizens, we can pressure our government to do its domestic homework while standing firm on issues of national sovereignty.
            If you remember, there was a long debate on this same issue, and my position was that we can stand firm on border and other national issues and at the same time fight for the rule of law.
            I agree there will always be lunatics and zealots and it will be the responsibility of all of us to try to be as objective as possible.
            On the highlighted portion (#3), it is not my position; I brought it as the third position that some Eritreans take, PFDJ supporters. I did small edit to make it clear
            Thanks.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear My dear friend Mahmuday,

            ኣይፋልካን ዝሓወይ ኣይፋልካ!! You are more than average communicator, the way I see it.

            The constitution is very important issue too, more that the issue of boarder..What do you say Mahmuday..

            KS,,

          • MS

            Ahlan KS
            The country will need some period of stabilization (I would say a minimum of four years) that includes lowering the state of alertness (it has been on war footing for the last 20 years) and refocusing to civilian projects such as demobilization of the army; reinstituting the period of two years for the national service, etc. It may also present its own version of “roadmap.”
            The best scenario would be for the government to really think for future generations and open dialogue with its opponents. Is it possible? I think so. Is it probable, I doubt.
            Therefore, we will be stuck for the foreseeable future with IA until Eritrea’s domestic conditions produce one young leader like Abiy Ahmed. Our role should be to encourage that to come quicker. I’m just being realistic. The other options such as violent means to overthrow the government are disastrous for the country, and they don’t guarantee any better alternatives. Agan just being reasonable. I wish I had a better answer.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ahlan hero MS,

            This is like reforming, isn’t it? I really don’t know how to reply to you but let us see any how,,

            Do you think if there is someone like Dr.Abiy,PIA will allow him to come to power ? I doubt. no, I don’t agree with this idea..

            KS,,

          • Mez

            Dear MS,

            “…some period of stabilization (I would say a minimum of four years) …”

            1) not really, asking such a long time is in no way justifiable,
            2) what PIA government can any time do is among others: release all (non crime related) prisnors, allow the private press again,
            3) probably implement a new revised 5year, 10 year macro-economic plan & integrate the youth labour with open economy,
            4) impliment the constitution, allow other political parties (under the law) to operate in the country.

            All the above could happen within months.

            Thanks

          • MS

            Selam Mez
            Thanks.
            1. That’s your opinion and I respect it.
            2.1. can be done at any time, even today, and should have been done a long time ago. Prisoners of conscience are people incarcerated for expressing their opinions peacefully; they shouldn’t have been imprisoned in the first place. So, that is a nonstarter.
            2.2. The allowing of the Private press is also a non-starter, we could have had a private press even under the current “no war, no peace” situation. If the government is too sensitive for security, it could have revised the press laws and allow a minimum threshold tolerated. So, these are things that could be done even today. I am not talking about them.
            3. That’s the one I have in mind on the socioeconomic front, plus the possibility of returning to multiparty democracy. Both the socioeconomic planning and political thinking are heavily influenced by what goes on in the neighborhood. A peace with Ethiopia would give a breathing space for those who want to effect political changes and would make the revision of the economic planning more objective as trade agreements and market access are the basis for domestic production which affects labor demand. Therefore, yes, the plan of demobilizing the huge human force currently under the defense, under different names, is affected by the new macroeconomic plan. It will need huge investment by donors. That is in addition to the returning of internally displaced citizens to their villages. So, 4-5 years is a conservative estimate.
            4. This does not mean that the political track should be idle. If you choose me as your PM (haha….tewsaKitey), I would shock Eritreans by launching those two front in parallel.
            a. Invite immediately those who renounce violent means
            b. Make sure that the police are led by civilian commissioners who are apolitical, strengthen it and let it be known it is the sole law enforcer of the land.
            c. Make changes in the national security agency so that its job becomes guarding the nation against foreign subversive activities. It should be out of politics.
            d. Kick ERI-TV in high gears and let it fan the good news of the new era (Hadish zemen)
            e. Conduct a consultative conference that would hammer out what the transition period would look alike, including the making of a new constitution, or adopt the 1997 constitution.
            f. All parties who agree to participate in this process come out with a renewed commitment. The goal is to reinstitute a new beginning based on reconciliation and forgiveness. I’m of the idea that we should be leaning on forgiving and moving on. Our society has practiced this type of conflict resolution and is the most expedient way to peace. I know some don’t like that but the other way, i.e, retribution is messy in Eritrean situation because both parties, the government, and the opposition, have skeletons to account for.
            g. Most politicians of the armed struggle, those who are so conservative or are so poisoned by the past partisan experience, should retire. [That makes it easy because you will have only mahmuday standing alone] They could serve as a think tank or write their books. People like you should step up and take responsibilities.
            h. I’m of the persuasion that we have to be very careful with licensing private press and setting strict legal basis because in the past 20 years Eritrean politics has become so murky. I would look for a private press that sacrifices its bottom line, profit, for assisting the political climate to take off and stabilize. If we allowed a more liberal press in the initial stage it could play a destabilizing role. I really think after all these sacrifices we should look for measured steps, one that holds the government accountable but at the same time one that plays a supporting role in starting a new political culture. Certainly, I would not license iSem.
            ደባሊቐዮ እኸውን ብጉያጉያ እየ ዝጽሕፍ ዘለኹ ግን እቲ ሓሳብ በሪሁልካ ይኸውን።

          • Mez

            Dear MS,

            1) Greate thought and very insightful,
            2) If you avail yourself for public service back home, I will nominate you for the highest,
            3) forgetting politics for a moment: the biggest challenge for the country (beyond the above discussed bottlenecks) is under-employment/under-payment of the youth back home,
            3.1) even tripling the dams we have in the country today–let us say every year–is not going to take the national economy any where. In short, the current national activity priority is going to hurt all of us.

            Thanks

          • MS

            Ahlan Mez
            Thanks a for the nice words. I think our young generation will step up from now on. On the rest of the points, I agree. BTW, I have always said Ethiopia could be the greatest trading ally, and I do hope things will work out because both countries do have so much to complement each other’s growth.

          • Selam MS,

            Nice to hear from you, “ I have always said Ethiopia could be the greatest trading ally”. There were times when you more or less said, if eritrea has anything to do with the south, there are better neighbors to the west of her. Times do change, and it is great they do. I hope blink will forget about his wall as well.
            Let us all hope that real peace comes to the region, and real friendship flourishes.

          • MS

            Selam Horizon
            I know I have said Eritrea has to widen its orbit; it has to prove it could live outside Ethiopian sphere of influence, economically and politically. Those replies were to some discussants who were saying that Eritrea could not exist without the sphere of influence of ETHIOPIA. I sense a positive vibe coming from Addis Ababa, I STILL don’t know what PMAA and EPRDF statements could mean for the peaceful resolution of the border- and if they mean what they have said, whether he could convince TPLF hardliners- but I’m more optimistic than I was two years ago.
            Both my previous and latest statements are not mutually exclusive. I’m more stressing on mutual respect. If there is a mutual respect, the sky is the limit. Let’s hope for that. But the fact that Ethiopia could be a strategic country for the region’s revival is not debatable. That’s obvious. But let’s hope the conflict is resolved amicably.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Salah,

            “Job/improvement of life, mobility of ideas and goods across the region” are the pre-requisites to have a constitution and rule of law. This conceptual hypothesis are on experimentation in our nation. Many African countries are waiting to hear the report to know its feasibilities in their realities. So we have to wait patiently like the African countries, until the experts come with the report. It might work.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Samray,

            First, I welcomed the decision of the new Ethiopian Government to accept the the EEBC rule without precondition. The despot has no excuse not to reciprocate to the decision of the Ethiopian Government on the border issue he used it to hold hostage our people.

            I know you are single issue person and I am not. I have many issue with regime. The issue of prisoners, the issue of constitutionalism, the issue of rule of law. As a matter of fact for me, these issues takes precedence in my advocacy than the border issue, because they are a matter of life and death to our people. Because there is no constitutional laws and rule of law, people are ending in jails without due process. People are dying in prisons with seeing court of law. If he is using the border issue to suppress our people, they are correlated and can not be separated. For single issue people might seem mixed, but not. Your second point clearly shows that you don’t care about the injustice befallen on our people under this cruel regime. So while l am advocating for unconditional engagement of the two governments to implement the ruling, I can also voice for our voiceless citizen who are suffering under the despot.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            1. – ” I welcomed the decision of the new Ethiopian Government to accept the the EEBC rule without precondition. The despot has no excuse to not reciprocate to the decision of the Ethiopian Government on the border issue”

            There is nothing to welcome, nothing to appreciate, nothing to be thankful…… Ethiopia for doing what it signed to do a decade and half ago. Neither the Eritrean people and government, nor the world community should applaud Addis leaders for implementing/accepting a court decision that they are obliged to implement. And again……

            THE ERITREAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD RECIPROCATE NOTHING, FOR ETHIOPIA FULFILLING ITS OBLIGATION.

            2. – “I know you are a single issue person and I am not. I have many issue on my plate against the regime. The issue of prisoners, the issue of constitutionalism, the issue of rule of law.”

            ኣማናኤል፡ ንመንግስቲ ኤርትራ ንምቅዋም – ኣጻብዕቲ ኣእዳውካ ደም ስጋብ ጥብ-ጥብ ዝብላ ክትጽሕፍ፡ መልሓስካ ስጋብ ዝቑለፍ ክትዛረብ፡ ጎሮሮኻ ክሳብ ዝልሕትት ክትጭድር መሰልካ እዩ። ዓገብ ዝብለካ ሰብ የለን። ኣነ ዝብል ዘለኹ ግን፡ ንኹሉ መማዓልቱ ኣለዎ። ንኹሉ መዓልቲ ፈሊና ክንዛረበሉ ከለና ድማ ‘ዩ ፍረን ክብርን ዘለዎ። ማለት……

            ብዛዕባ ምህናጽ ቤተ-ክርስትያን ክንዛረብ ከለና፡ ብዛዕባ መሬትን ሕዛእትን ኣይተምጽእ። ብዛዕባ ቤት-ትምህርትን ተመሃሮን መማህራንን ክንዛረብ ከለና፡ ብዛዕባ መርዓን ተስካርን ኣርእስቲ ኣይተምጽእ: ብዛዓባ ዝስተ ማይ ኽንዛረብ ከለና ብዛዓባ ቁርባንን ስግዳንን ኣይተምጽእ….. እየ ዝብለካ ዘለኹ። ንኩሉ፡ በብማዓልቱ ንዘትየሉን፡ ፍታሕ ንድለየሉን በሃላይ እየ።

            3. – “Semere, your second point clearly shows that you don’t care about the injustice befallen on our people under this cruel regime.”

            ኣንታ ኣማናኤል፡ ተዘይ ተወናጀልና ኣይሓይሽን? ንስኻ ልዕለይ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ፈቲኻን ሓሊኻንሲ፡ ንዓይ ንህዝብኻ ኣይትሓልን ኢኻ ኢልካ፡ ተወንጅለኒ ‘ለኻ? ግን…… ደሓን፡ ኩሉ ገዲፍና ብነጥብታት ተተኻታዕና ይሓይሽ ‘መስለኒ፡ እሱ ‘ዩ ዓዲ ዘጋብር።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Semere,

            There is no separation between injustice and the issue border. Because all the injustice incurred upon our people are directly connected with the border issue. For instance the issue of G-15, the issue of journalists, the issue of many elders who tried to mediate between the leadership of PFDJ, and many individual citizens. So you have set your priorities, and the border issue takes the precedence over injustice. Am I wrong on your priorities?

            Second, on the “single issue”: I haven’t seen you talking or commenting about prisoners of consciences, about rule of law, when citizens are dragged from their homes by the government, and no one knows their whereabouts. I haven’t seen you commenting when Eritreans are dying in prisons without seeing their days in the courts of justice. I only saw you coming with your guns when the border issue somehow popped up in our discussion. If you are not a single issue person, tell me your advocacies other than the border, in case I miss it.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel

            1. – “There is no separation between injustice and the issue border. Because all the injustice incurred upon our people are directly connected with the border issue: the issue of G-15, the issue of journalists, the issue of many elders who tried to mediate between the leadership of PFDJ, and many individual citizens. So you have set your priorities, and the border issue takes the precedence over injustice. Am I wrong on your priorities?”

            That is exactly right! National sovereignty and territorial integrity of a nation takes precedence over anything and everything. Because it is above and beyond everything else. YOU HAVE TO BE A LIVING CREATURE TO DREAM AND PROSPER.

            You see Aman, JUSTICE, DEMOCRACY, RULE OF LAW, HUMAN RIGHTS……. not only are on the eye of the beholder (dependent on a given individual’s opinion or a given society’s social and cultural values ) but also are long term PROCESSES that may or may not be materialised in the foreseeable future. And all the these fancy long term objectives………

            THE JUSTICE, THE DEMOCRACY, THE RULE OF LAW, THE HUMAN RIGHTS, THE FREEDOM OF THIS AND THE FREEDOM OF THAT YOU LOVE TO CRY ABOUT EACH DAY – COULD ONLY BE POSSIBLE IF YOU HAVE A SOVEREIGN NATION WITH ITS TERRITORY INTACT.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam severe,

            I am glad I didn’t misrepresented you. So also I am not wrong that you are “a single issue person.” Then what makes you to be irritate in my first response?Your issue is the border issue. It means the pain of our people is not your pain. The lack of rule of law is not a concern to you. Citizens to die in prison without seeing days in the court of justice is not a concern to you. Under age kids to be taken to prisons is not a concern to you. So what does it makes you to be concerned about our people then? Nothing. Everything is fine to you as to what is going on in our nation? Something wrong with you brother.

        • Hope

          Selam Aman:
          With all due respect,sir,show us your gut and courage to say t or to tell the TPLF the same thing-that the TPLF has kept Eritrea and Eritreans hostages of “ No War No Peace” along with the Policies of Isolationism,Containment ,Sanctions and Sabotages of all kinds as well as Evil agenda and Axises of all kinds,that U and your so called Opposition belong to and part and parcel of to subjugate and make Eritrea collapse overnight.
          Why don’t u show us the courage and the GUT to challenge and criticize the same Flip-flopping Janda rather than finger-pointing at the one,who complied with the International Law.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Mr. Abi,

    Nice, Abi,,
    “I can’t wait to see the Ambasel Queen Maritu Legesse sing the national anthem for Abiye coronation.”

    KS,,

  • Hasot

    Hasot

    Hi all
    All the credit will go to to our ELF SuwAt to begin with not to the prisoners of religious school
    The editor does not seem seem to give a damn to his ELF SuwAt
    It’s mind boggling he keep trying mix things up

  • blink

    Dear Tesfu
    You are right but the court decision was that the man can never even look back the kids or the house . You don’t go to court if you are not ready to live with the decision. Where I grow up people repeatedly go to family in order to settle the problem but once you go to the judge it is final . The court handle the case independently from any kids or father or mother emotional attachment. Weyane were following hailessilasie . As I said Ethiopian leaders do not respect deals they signed . This is a known pattern of the Ethiopian 3000 years cruel mentality to court decisions or any agreements they signed .

  • blink

    Dear all
    Look at the disco guy , he thinks because of the Erob bla bla he thinks the dialog 5 point plan is the way to go. I know he is an Addis disco guy and I wonder a guy born in around 1968 thinks going to disco is the way to go . He does not believe in the court ruling he still thinks the weyane plan is the best.
    The decision is final and binding and if they don’t believe in international rules and obligation until now let them talk to Abyi because that is the reality . Abay Tsehaye out , Sibhat Nega out and the dirty teeth samora out. Syum mesfin lied to all Ethiopians when he openly said Bademe is awarded to Ethiopia
    and so many lies are exposed by the Qero guys . you are talking going about Insignificant portion of people saying immaterial thing. Eritrea doesn’t need Erob if they wish they can go to Adwa ,Who cares about people who don’t have any good you accepting a court decision. No swap no discussion court decision is final