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Eritrea’s 150th Anniversary!

My adopted nation, Canada, recently celebrated its 150th anniversary on July 01, 2017. The celebration was huge, passionate and colorful. Even though Canada wasn’t the place of my birth, I passionately celebrated this anniversary. Canada has offered me its citizenship, education, health care, opportunities and rights that were denied to me elsewhere. Most importantly, Canada, gave me freedom, dignity and democratic rights. John Diefenbaker, Canada’s 13th Prime Minister, eloquently summed up the most important gift Canada offered me and others when he said: “I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind”.

Looking through the windows of my office at the celebrations taking place outside, I couldn’t help but to think of what the 150th anniversary of my native country, Eritrea, would look like? As the legendary Arabic poet, Abu Tamam, notes, a person might become accustomed to many homes, but his heart will always yearn to his native home. My emotions were torn between celebrating the joyfull moment of my adopted nation and the concerns of what lies in the future for my native country.

Certainly, there is a huge gap between my native country and my adopted country, not only in terms of standard of living, natural resource, land scape and population; but also in governance structure, rule of law, democratic institutions, rights and privileges. Canada isn’t perfect, it still has a lingering dark legacy toward the indigenous community, but relatively speaking, Canada is a shining example of what a nation should be.

Understandably, emerging nations go through the pains of transition and growth and it would be unfair to draw a parallel between my relatively new native country and my long established adopted country. Similar to Eritrea, the early years of establishment were not easy for Canada. The rift between the Anglophones and Francophones, the tensions between the Catholics and Protestants, the mistrust between natives and white settlers, the squabbles between provinces, the relationship with the British Empire and the USA were some of the growing pains of the emerging Canada. Over the years of struggles and realignment, Canada learned from its past and introduced new and better way of governance. It formally adopted a Charter of Rights, accepted multiculturalism as an official policy, established affirmative action measures, took steps to address the grievances of its indigenous people and opened the doors for new immigrants to positions historically reserved for white Christian males only. Today, Canada’s Minister of Immigration is a dark skinned Muslim who was born in Somalia; the Defense Minister is a turban wearing Sikh and the Veterans affairs Minister is a wheel chaired handy capped person.

Ironically, today my native country is experiencing a net out flow of people while my adopted country is experiencing a net inflow. My native country is increasing border patrols to prevent people from leaving, while my adopted country is increasing border patrols to contain the influx of refugees knocking on its borders. People are leaving my native country desperately trying to settle in my adopted country, risking their lives and their well being.

Going back to the question I raised earlier as to what the shape of my native country would be in its 150th anniversary; I would, certainly, not expect Eritrea with its limited space and population to be anywhere close to where Canada is today in terms of resource and capacity. But, I hope Eritrea will be on the same footing with Canada in its civic and political norms. I envision my native country, Eritrea, to be:

  • A country where freedom of speech and expression is a guaranteed fundamental right for every citizen.
  • A country where no one will be afraid to express a dissenting political opinion.
  • A country where everyone is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.
  • A country where no one will go to prison without due judicial process.
  • A country where those duly incarcerated will have a fair trial, a humane treatment and regular family visits.
  • A country where there will be no torture, no kidnapping by secret police and no secret prisons.
  • A country where tribal and religious affiliations will have no bearing on citizenry rights.
  • A country where people will have equal opportunities based on merit and competence.
  • A country where no one will be above the law and no discrimination based on race, religion or language is tolerated.
  • A country where there will be full separation between the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the government.
  • A country where the army and the generals will be at the borders protecting the country and out of the civilian life of the nation.
  • A country where there will be transparent, civilized and peaceful transition of power.
  • A country where its finances, its annual budget, revenues and expenses are fully transparent.
  • A country where religion and shared values become the social anchor of a humane, civilized, faithful and caring society.
  • A country with open borders and free trade agreements that allows Eritreans to tab into a greater pool of resources.
  • A country that will be a shining example for others to emulate.

Am I suggesting that Eritrea needs 150 years to be there? Certainly not; these are basic values that should be in place today before tomorrow, but by the 150th anniversary these values should be deeply and firmly ingrained in the blood of the nation. My native country has an advantage of being a late comer into the world stage, similar to Sweden who joined the industrial revolution at a later stage. Sweden took lessons from the pitfalls of other nations and charted a better social and economic path.  Eritrea has multitude of lessons to learn from the many stories of success and failures.

The seeds of tomorrow’s success must be planted today. Individuals, parties and groups come and go, but the values seeded today remain in place. The Eritrea of tomorrow can only be built by concerted efforts at every level; not only on the political level; but also at the communal, family, school, worship place and general day to day life. Canadians are known to be clean, orderly and democratic. This became a norm by a lengthy process of learning from kindergarten all the way to adulthood. Democratic norms and civilized discourses are not established by decree, but they are values inculcated in the physic of the nation over a period of time. My native country isn’t foreign to these values; these values are imbedded in its traditional village norms and values. However, the decades long poor governance has taken a tall on these values. An earnest effort is over due to reclaim, reform, modernize and enact these values.

There is no doubt that my native country had a rough start and has taken in many ways a wrong direction. It is my hope, as the days go, my native country would reconsider the direction it has taken. I hope and wish that the gap between my native and adopted country will become smaller and the days where I scratch my head and say, “I wish my native country was like this” will be history!!

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  • said

    Greeting
    A GERMAN HISTORIAN PREDICTED THE DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION 100 YEARS AGO. Oswald Spengler, Prophet of Western Decline. As reported and quotation in many western mass media.
    In my adapt nation it is facing deep moral crises and decadences and it is not as rosy. From my side I respect the hard-won western values of liberalism, law and freedoms and that we now take for granted _ to live as I choose, to be able to sue my state and I high chance to win. but in regard morality I have my take. I am tired and sick of white supremacy. These are not fringe issues. The election of Donald Trump was widely welcomed by the repellent sections of American politics, from the American Nazi Party to the heritage associations of the Confederacy.
    I am not trying to be more self-righteousness. I am for tolerance, kindness, charity, compassion and community and to do what is right and good. To believe on goodness and incorporate truly moral values into greater community and hold those who don’t accountable. on our hearts that we would know to choose right because, given that evil is a perversion of good, we would not know how to choose the perverse over the righteous. In big part Western civilization is a history of canalization oppression.
    But Western “decadence.” The western nation has deep national moral crisis, on what morality means, It demands self-examination, morality in generally it demands looking at the sources of western moral quandary, and what define morality and not just its result. Amorality I mean western nation lack of basic moral human decency. The callous indifference to human life is stunning.
    The Western culture has changed tremendously in bad ways. On the outset I believe that Europe and America are probably one of many best civilizations that history has produced up to now as far as Prosperity and Justice are concerned in actual relative terms. I am not in denial.
    There are many Publication of books including Dambisa Moyo’s How the West Was Lost, Walter Laqueur’s Last Days of Europe and Bruce S. Thornton’s Decline and Fall: Europe’s Slow Motion Suicide.
    philosopher Noam Chomsky.
    “Eighty per cent of the population think that the country [the US] is run by a few big interests looking after themselves,” says Chomsky in Decadence. “And we can’t do anything about it.”
    “Every civilisation will fall,” says Episcopalian bishop John Spong. “The question is when.” Jacinta Dunn, the film’s co-writer, says the answer may be soon.
    Just before the fall of the Roman Empire, they were all feasting on lark’s tongue and nightingale hearts,” Dunn says. “They were obsessed with food.
    All reveal the grassroots disillusionment within western societies.
    German Philosopher Georg Hegel once wrote that “the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.” His observation during his life was very accurate, both for the past and future generations. Each generation of men builds on the lessons from their ancestors, and whatever lessons that are not learned are forgotten.
    In 1918, Oswald Spengler published The Decline of the West. You may be surprised to learn that many of the things that have been happening to Western Civilization were written down in a predictive model of history written by German historian and philosopher Oswald Spengler nearly 100 years ago. Spengler equated the four cycles in human civilizations to the seasons: Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter. In compiling his work, he studied the 8 High Cultures thought to have existed: Babylonian, Egyptian, Indian, Chinese, Mayan/Aztec, Greek/Roman or Classical, Arab and, finally, Faustian, or what we call Western civilization. He believed each of the eight civilizations went through phases, just like the seasons. While some of those cultures are still with us, they have not been dominant cultural forces since their Winter. For example, China was referred to as a Sleeping Giant until it picked up on some of the vitality of the West.
    In Spengler’s model, each culture goes through a formative Culture Stage, followed by a decadent period known as Civilization. The culture period makes up the “organic” Spring and Summer of a civilization, and is when the civilization is inspired by its own art and religion. the rise of immorality , the demise of egalitarianism and the spread of junk culture the neutering of democracy and the unstoppable growth of mercantilism. It touches on the collapse of faith and the fracturing of families. western civilisation peaked in the 1960s, and is now sliding into the abyss. The west as we know it today begins with the Magna Carta in 1215,” the Renaissance, the Reformation, the founding of America and the Enlightenment, before the west peaked with the social revolutions of the 1960s. symptoms include soaring suicide rates and the west’s addiction to anti-depressants. They include rampant individualism, emptying churches and disintegrating families. And they include the west’s obsessive devotion to money as the only true measure of worth. In the west today, humanities are maligned while MBAs are coveted. The broken society is a consequence partly of social change and cultural change The social change is familiar: the destruction of the family. it’s a culture in which seem to have abandoned many of the values on which based on civilisation. Western Civilization created a strange culture perpetuated by television and other media that rejoices in and celebrates dysfunction, violence and anti-social behaviour. young people are fed up with corporate greed creating serious divisions in society between rich and poor and that this has to be addressed.
    You can’t be neutral on a moving train.” We cannot choose to get off of this train. The best we can manage to do, perhaps, is to understand its destination, contemplate its origins, figure out where we are seated, and how we got there. And then we can choose action over inaction. Howard Zinn.
    The BBC’s Rachel Nuwer wrote, “elites push society toward instability and eventual collapse by hoarding huge quantities of wealth and resources, and leaving little or none for commoners who vastly outnumber them yet support them with labour. Eventually, the working population crashes because the portion of wealth allocated to them is not enough, followed by collapse of the elites due to the absence of labour.”
    The political economist Benjamin Friedman once compared modern Western society to a stable bicycle whose wheels are kept spinning by economic growth. Should that forward-propelling motion slow or cease, the pillars that define our society – democracy, individual liberties, social tolerance and more – would begin to teeter. Our world would become an increasingly ugly place, one defined by a scramble over limited resources and a rejection of anyone outside of our immediate group. Should we find no way to get the wheels back in motion, we’d eventually face total societal collapse? such collapses have occurred many times in human history, and no civilisation, no matter how seemingly great, is immune to the vulnerabilities that may lead a society to its end. Regardless of how well things are going in the present moment. The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the emergence of Richard Nixon. After the passage of the act, the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln to which black people felt considerable fealty, turned on those people and stabbed them in the back. the rise of white supremacy. Trump’s jaw-dropping defense of white supremacists, white nationalists and Nazis in Charlottesville, Va., exposed once more what many of us have been howling into the wind since he emerged as a viable candidate: That he is a bigot, a buffoon and a bully. The stated goals of the Republican Party are not completely dissimilar from many of the white nationalist positions.
    The horror at the rise of white supremacism, has been appealing to white supremacists for years. The “alt-right” movement found a comfortable home in the Republican Party, the “alt-right” mean that it must return to a past of white male Christian dominance, Sixty-four percent of rank-and-file Republicans approved of Trump Charlottesville remarks. This is what passes for morality now on the right. the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition and the Family Research Council were really nothing more than adjuncts of the Republican Party. It’s nuts to claim a moral equivalence between white supremacist hate groups and people who oppose Hitler-flavored fascism.
    This has been Steve Bannon’s and the alt-right’s mantra: America is a decadent country, and it is headed toward the same demise as decadent empires of the past. He had shouted about the decline of white power and of the erosion of America’s role in the world. Trump’s conservative Christian cheerleaders have told him repeatedly that he is on a divine mission and that God intervened in the election. Religious right leaders upheld their end of the deal and delivered an overwhelming majority of white evangelical votes to Trump. Now he’s upholding his end by giving them more than they might have expected, One of Trump’s biggest boosters is Lance Wallnau, among the “prophets” who has declared that Trump was anointed by God. In his pre-election book, God’s Chaos Candidate, he specifically argued that the religious right would get more out of Trump. It includes Cindy Jacobs, a Trump-supporting “prophet” who says God is using the president to “turn the tables” on Satan; televangelist scammer and convicted felon Jim Bakker, who is back on TV supporting his “ministry” with the relentless hawking of buckets of dried food to get your family through the coming times of trouble; and Trump’s “spiritual adviser,” Paula White, the prosperity-gospel televangelist who preaches that those who bless her ministry with their hard-earned cash will in turn receive the blessings of God. Several members of Trump’s cabinet now gather for regular Bible study sessions with pastor Ralph Drollinger, who teaches that the prayers of non-Christians go unheard by God, social welfare programs are un-Christian, and Christians with government jobs are obligated to hire only other Christians. Richard Spencer, beamed as his audience chanted “Hail Trump! Hail Our People! Hail Victory!” in an echo of “Heil Hitler”, the German Nazi chant. Spencer and his fascist friends feel that Trump’s comments in favour of “white rights” advantaged them. No wonder then that the various Nazi and Confederate groups, including the Ku Klux Klan and militia groups.
    it seems too simplistic, too convenient, to castigate only Trump for elevating these vile racists. To do so would be historical fallacy. Yes, Trump’s comments give them a boost, grant them permission, provide them validation, but it is also the Republican Party through which Trump burst that has been courting, coddling and accommodating these people for decades. Trump is an articulation of the racists in Charlottesville and they are an articulation of him, and both are a logical extension of a party that has too often refused to rebuke them.

  • said

    Greeting,

    At times if being labeled a Far from Eritrean politics Fellow on the force of my staunch adherence to high Universal Values of Social Justice, Freedom, True Representative Democracy and Respect of Universal Human Rights, then, it seems, you kindly inadvertently bestowed on me an honor that I am not certain that I deserve.

    Nothing to brag about ,but since early 70th ,gulled in my TV .Unfortunately, for someone who has been following very closely the American Politics for the past half a century, literary knowing the background and profile of every American politician, members of the US Executive Branch since the Johnson’s years; the prominent US legislators including Gerald Ford, William Fulbright, Charles Percy, Adlai Stevenson, Jr., this beside knowing the American TV Network News personalities ad Anchors since Walter Cronkite of CBS; Harry Reasoner of the ABC and the duo of the NBC John Chancellor and his companion, David Brinkley.

    This equally goes for the major newspapers, The New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Post including their syndicate writers William Safire, Anthony Lewis and a host of many others.

    I closely followed the Watergate scandals, read many of the books and writings relating to it. Read Carl Bernstein & his Washington Post colleague Bob Woodward’s Account of Watergate in their epic book, “The Final Days.”

    Besides, I read nearly every important written book on how Washington works, including that with the same title written by the Time Washington’s Chief Bureau, Hedrick Smith. This, besides reading the Memoires of Richard Nixon and President Carter and many high placed officials, including Robert McNamara, whom I met and chatted with him in person in 1997. Same is true of Robert Reich, a Harvard Professor, a close friend of President Clinton and his choice for Secretary of Labor. I read his excellent book, “The Work of Nations,” as he too I met and chatted with him at length on two occasions. This equally goes with regard to Senator Alan Simpson of Idaho that I had a long conversation with him and his wife during his years at Harvard JFK School of Government.

    In short, I never stopped a second of following American news and reading all important American publications including Foreign Affairs on the US and what is happening there ever since over a half century. In this vein, I would point you to a number of EXCELLENT investigative Journalism works starting with the Patriarch of them all, Seymour Hersh, who broke in 1966 the May Lai Massacre in Vietnam; wrote some epic books on Kissinger and Nixon, under the title of “The Price of Power,” 1986; and on JFK, “The Dark Side of Camelot,” 1994. Same goes, most recently, of a number of National Best Seller books by Jane Rayan (The Dark Side And most recently, as pertaining to the Trump Election, “The Dark Money”). Same goes for McKay Coppins’ recent Prize awarded book, “The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party…” The latters are Investigative Journalist Par Excellence.

    I cannot be all that ignorant of American Politics. However, can you,

    Because I am the WRONGED Party, the Eritrean whose people suffered and continue to suffer by the western and US blind biased policies against my people. It is because of the US wronged policies siding with lackey oppressive dictators of client regime King Haile Selase . Because of the unwarranted destruction, death and displacements to the tune of many thousands of innocent citizens ravaged my country

    As to Mr. Trump, I could care less for the Man except it is most shameful and beneath the American civility to put a person like him in the Oval Office. He is a man of dubious character and very dubious business background.

    Yes, true, the American Legislators in the past 4 to 5 decades are more of hired hands with both, No honor, principle or commitments to the true interests of the US. As regards the current team of the Executive Branch including the Vice-President, Mike Pence; Jeff Saisions; Thomas Price; Betsy DeVos; Nikky Haley; Mike Pompeo, etc., they are blind ideologues operating with a hidden extreme right Agenda.

    Where it troubles me, the silent 60% majority that if true, 50% of whom at least voted for inapt Donald Trump as he won by a vote of nearly 50%.

  • MS

    Selam Ustaz IIM
    Another excellent article, and it appears more are in the pipeline. nothing wrong with comparison, and nothing wrong with looking up to stories of success. Your wish lists are also mine. Thank you.

    • Hayat Adem

      Mahmuday,
      Not everything is for a debate nor for comparison. This comparison is deceptively too simplistic and linear basing itself on consideration of only the tempo aspect.
      Eritrea must be able to compare itself with “itself”. What was Eri before the start of the armed struggle? What could it possibly be in the future? What is it now?
      For example, you placed the zero year at 1991. What was Eri in 1941? What was it in 1951? What could possibly Eri be post 1991? What is it now?
      One of the tiring and foolish attempts ever mocked on Eritreans is the comparisons of their country with others at a better or worse situation: We are or will be better than Africans; we will be like Singapore; we’ll build an efficient transport infrastructure similar to that of the Germany; we’ll build an industry and technology similar to that of Japan; we’ll set up an inclusive well fare and a just social system similar to that of Sweden… and now Canada. In my book, these are all cruel jokes than are well intended wishes. Realistically start comparing Eritrea with countries that are within reach and wish/work all the way up from there.
      The weakest assumption of the above wish-riding piece is that it believes that it is a matter of time for Eri to reach where Canada is today. The thinking is faulty as it disregards the favt that time is a neutral field where constructions or destructions takes place. That means it is not time but work that enables progress. The question will then be “are the right elements of work required for a nation building at play since 1991? And we all know 1991 onwards is a retreat from than forward towards progress.
      There is a saying in our language to the effect: “a dog may mistake a piece of its ear for a piece of meat meal.” If Eri has started eating itself since 1991, that is not a point of pondering of a growth towards the Canadian quality of life. It is a regress away from anything that resembles Canadian.

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Hayat,

        In my judgement, there is no harm comparing one’s situation or conditions with some one’s for good or bad, as you have put it. Choosing comparison benchmark could be a matter of choice or convenience. The honorable Sheikh Ismael Mukhtar might have probably been saddened by what has been going on his native country on the one hand, and overwhelmed by the attainments his adopted country, on the other, decided to contemplate and share his thought with us in this forum.

        While I understand your point that one has to get focused on one’s own concrete realities before wishing to measure with what others have achieved, I would have liked you refrained from generalizing the mockery about Eritreans boasting to compare their country with others. The list you have cited in that connection does not apply to all Eritreans and should have been specified and counted on the politicians and their surrogates that peddled those things after they acceded to power. Perhaps they might have felt overzealous and estimated uniting a nation and launching nation building would be less arduous and demanding than paying in blood and sweat to defeat an occupying army.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Ismail the Wise,
          Thanks for the feedback. In light of your constructive advice, I retract my comment above

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,
            Thank you. I am humbled though it was within your inviolable right (I am sure the moderators will agree with me) to write you views, it is your modesty, honesty and courage that made you change your mind. The best quality in us is recognizing our fallibility to make mistakes and realizating and correcting them is what makes us human beings. This small step you have taken gives us a lesson to learn from as well as a proof that you are a wise, liberated and intelligent sister.
            Please accept my respect for you.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Ismail,
    Okay but..
    Let me be honest here. I can understand the reasons for comparison. However, the difference between a broke and a billionaire is billions; it is not just a matter of time.

    • Selamat Hayat Adam,

      Yes it is. All the Gold Diggers ladies go for the billionair, don’t day? And these gold digging ladies usually have very long long long nails, tSefarat iyyen.

      tSAtSE

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Ahlen Mahmuday,

    speaking about the automation (replacing human labor by robots) explained by Lenin when he was defining “imperialism” as the highest stage of capitalism. Marxism Leninism failed in the tactics of their teaching not in the philosophy perse. Look Mahmuday, the signs and symptoms of imperialism we are witnessing today, Lenin saw it before the existence of imperialism two centuries ago. Amazing to learn about it and to see the symptomatic of the philosophy in the real world. The technology will not stop and the social crises human being will face will not be challenged until the “mode of production

    • Selam A.H.,

      Exactly. That was the reason he said that the industrialized countries like germany and britain will become communist countries ahead of others (e.g. Russia). The aim of lenin’s dictatorship of the proletariat was to skip the stage of capitalism and to go straight to socialism-communism without wasting time.
      Today some people say that technology will kill capitalism by breaking the chain of ‘production and consumption’ due to joblessness.
      If the state becomes the owner, or at least regulator of AIs, and people are given the so-called ‘universal basic income’ (ubi) with no strings attached, then, voila we are at the stage of communism, where the means of production and the workers (in this case robots), serve the interest of citizens at large.
      Human beings are not going to be lazy as some people would like to say, because they will have diverse interests and hobbies that will unleash their potential and take them to a higher level. Children will not study to be able to earn a living, but to solve the mysteries of the universe and nature, and how to harness the many powers that exist around us for human use.
      May be human beings will be in danger of acquiring big heads and small arms like martians (just kidding).

  • saay7

    Ha MaHmuday:

    I love your take but [insert Samuel L Jackson voice here] are you finished? Allow me to retort😄

    1. You are aware, I am sure, of Technological Singularity, right? Like the singularity we had miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilli seconds after the Big Bang. Thats when robots will have awareness. (Artificial awareness.) That;s when they will know who they are and who the inferior humanoid who is giving them orders is.

    2. now, going back to your Sahel days: what follows awareness? Exactly: Robots, yinQah, yiwedeb, yiEtek. After they gain consciousness, they will get organized and armed.

    3. I have heard the “there will always be jobs” since the NAFTA days but those who said it (and I was one of them) were wrong. Do you know what percentage of states in the US have drivers in the top 5 occupations? Here’s your friendly NPR from the last census taken:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state

    In 29 out of the 50 states (Alabama, Arkansa, California, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolinia, Ohio, Oklohoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Wiskconsin and wyoming) truck driving was the # 1 (by volume) of jobs in the state in 2014. Now tell me, MaHmuday, what jobs will these people have when self-driving 18-wheelers will be not the exception but the norm?

    Not trying to scare you, friend, just sharing with you what worries those of us who are supposed to worry about these things for a living.

    saay

    • blink

      Dear saay
      In 1940 there was a debate between American president and one MIT guy about the advancement of technology and the president was arguing against this innovation of new way of doing things due to fear of losing jobs , guess what IPhone, drone, mailing , so many good things come . I simply think this fear of AI is disproportionately affected by unreasonable fear.You are trying to make us watch IRON MAN . Let’s have less of the scaremongering about robots, computers taking our jobs. The great invention of human being is still to come and let’s start celebrating it. While most jobs of the 1960 were lost to machinery, the people did not stand still and be like wala , people adopted and here we are the world is more richer and live expectancy is bigger even in kitacha countries.what we have to advance is the demand of our next lifestyle to universal basic income by taxing robots and all. It is right new technologies are strange and some times threatening to human being but i do believe you live self service checkouts and also 3D printing machines.

    • MS

      Ahlan AbusalaH
      I will leave the debate of which came first: matter or consciousness to Emma. Speaking of Sahelian slogan of ” Hafash ynqah, ywedeb, yte’ATeq” May 24, 1991, settled its validity. The difference is that the great EPLF was not merely shoving its ideas down the throat of our hafash, but it was addressing hafash that had been motivated by clear goals, and it was just filling in for the agitating and leading role. So, the complete picture looked like this: “Hey you know and we know that we Eritreans all have a common goal, but that goal will be met only if we increase our consciousness as to the nature of the challenges, and if we get organized and armed with the right tools…”….Seminar number one conducted by the great Mahmuday in Itched DEbray…..on (fill in a date) while bixaay IA was chilling off tinkering with his carpentry tools.
      On AI, remember the concept of rational behavior in economics…that is a leading cue for this discussion. Man will not invent robots that will produce goods and services that have no consumer. He should be irrational enough to invest in the invention of robots which have no dividends. So, what this means is that as robots take certain jobs, the economy will have to create new jobs that will employ people until the robots catch up and that trend will continue until such time Marx Communist dream is realized, or something like that, haha….
      On singularity, I don’t know the concept appears to be sexy and many people talk about it, I don’t quite understand it because the edge of intelligence keeps moving forward, what was intelligent in the 3000 years ago may not seem to be intelligent enough to us today, what was considered intelligent machines in the 70s and 80s are dumb machines by today’s standard; up to this point we see human intelligence leading machines’, and up to this point we see the increase of the intelligence of machines improving our lives. This trend will continue for there is no reason to believe that machines will one day conspire against humanity simply because the domain of learning and acquiring new edge of skills belong to human beings.
      For the time being, those who get laid off by robots should unite and stage demonstrations all over the world calling “down, down to dictator robot!!”
      Here I bring to you my two favorite geniuses discussing the matter.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kICLG4Zg8s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAEB-5GOCJ4
      PS: THere is this IT guy in my company who loves about Artificial Intelligence, and according to him we are doomed. I like asking him questions at the risk of having to listen to his long lecture,. Some I understand, some I don’t. May be you geeks are way ahead from the chegar danga hafash….
      LOve your slicing of issues, the genius.

      • saay7

        Hahaha MaHmuday:

        Weriduwo hafash: the whole concept of vanguardism (thank you Vladimir Ilyech Lenin) is that the masses have to be led by the communist party because they don’t know what’s good for them. “Ynqah” simply means let the people be brainwashed indoctrinated with mystical things.

        On AI, well you IT geek guy is right: humanity is doomed 🙂 of course the best medicine (highly recommended) is denial.

        Btw, I think you and Blink are misunderstanding me: of course there will be new jobs we have never heard of which will be created. What I am saying is that unless the government is proactive and starts a meaningful retraining program, the ones who will fill them are not the ones who will be displaced by disappeared jobs. And unlike with NAFTA, significantly more jobs will be lost to automation. Until automation replaces many of the editorial writers, this will not get through.

        saay

        • MS

          Ahlan Abu SAlaH
          Of course, you will need some sort of indoctrination in order to persuade people to follow you. The thing is that Harbegna EPLF might have done it a bit excessively, and I think we will forgive it for it. Obama had to do it with his “Change we can believe in” and his chanting “Yes we can”; Donald TRump had to do, and Harbegna Wayanay had to do it with its ethnic equalism/federalism program…. I wish our gallant opposition could take a lesson… (no jabs intended). Emma has gone to his most important task which happens to be framing out the most ideal Constitution, which happens to be the last concern of most Eritreans at this time. The pressing challenge is bringing a positive change where Eritreans take stock of their affairs, elect delegates who could hammer out the most suitable constitution for Eritrea.
          On AI, I agree with you on its aspect that deals with coping policies. The economy will keep changing, and automation will keep taking over many jobs. Surely, governments should put in place sound economic policies that include the retooling of the skills of employees that get displaced. A good forecast is also important in order to prepare for expected shifting. I agree with you here. The bad thing is that Americans elected a president who is oblivious to this matter. The people who elected him will be the first victims of automation. He might bring firms to America but most of the positions will be automated, and Trump is for a small government which means there will be fewer resources allocated for retraining laid off folks.
          But on intelligence level, the robot will remain to be a robot.
          Some scary stuff: they are now working on pilotless passenger planes; ER robot which could diagnose people; taxis, trucks, lawyers, construction workers, packaging, and delivery services, writers (sorry abusalah)….are on high alert. The other day, I was driving through rural areas, and as a habit, I stopped at a farm to look into the beautiful cows (no camels yet). The machinery, including the sprinklers, are programmed using GPS. The guy, a friend I always stop at whenever passing by told me that they expect programmable tractors and cultivators in the near future.
          So, from the economic standpoint, we have some choices: diversify the economy and retrain employees, or tax the robots as blink suggested and we can have free meals.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Mahmuday,

        Matter precedes intelligence. Since matter can be quantified, measured in terms of mass, dimension of size, color, taste …etc it becomes ultimately true. Let me give you an example, that human being learns from nature as nature is made up of matter. Human being saw a bird flying in the sky. Now the bird as an example of matter mimics the consciousness or the intelligence of man to think they could make an artificial object (airplane) that could fly, and they mad it. Even the subject of robot of Artificial Intelligence (AI) we are talking about, are mimicked from us the “matter” – with the idea that we can make artificial human being who can do our labor. So without going at length to the subject, let us leave it to the circles of academics to do the probing on the infinite human knowledge in the campus of knowledge, a reflection of matter of the real world. Knowledge and consciousness are a reflection of the “matter nature” we are living in.

        regards
        Amanuelk Hidrat

  • Legacy

    Hi AWATE readers,

    What about the bombshell development in Kenyan elections .i.e Kenyan higher court annulling the recent election results? I was expecting some kind of chatter on this forum but it doesn’t seem to tickle ‘forummers’ interst. I would categorize this development along BREXIT and US elections as the most political orthodoxy paradigm defying outcomes. When we thought we have seen it all then there is another one. It feels like Apple cofounder Steve Job’s new product placement techniques: “wait, there is one more..”

    These are signs of the impending arrival of 8nt’Tegnaw SHi sewoch. Nesseha Gibu. Smile.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Hi Legacy,

      You are very right. It is very important to learn from the experience of others. In the past, we have seen much bloodshed after election; but at present the court intervened and annulled the election. Definitely, they will correct what has gone wrong and bring those who caused it to court. Why do the court annul it? What are the precautionary measures they will take to deter transgressions again?

      Al-Arabi

      • Legacy

        Hi Hameed,
        I am captivated by these developments in Kenya. Without having any evidence just pure guts feelings tells me that in spite of some irregularities Kenyatta’s party won fair and square the election. Kenyan politics is unusually tribal even by African standards. They are upfront about brandishing their loyalty to their fellow clansmen . They don’t even hide it and yet there is something unthreatening about their tribal sentiments . In spite of that one gets the feeling that they really do care about their fellow Kenyans. Therefore since the Kikuyus are the majority it is not beyond anyone’s imagination that the incumbent party would secure a win.

        I am not sure if you had a chance to watch Kenyatta’s interview right after the annulment was announced but you can see a man in pain. A man who deep down in his hearts knows that he won the election but has to consider other ramifications.

        Anyway, I pray that they mange to to conduct a peaceful reruns.

        On the other hand somethings don’t change . You can always set your clock to them. EPRDF security apparatuses made a run for a dissident in a foreign county 🙂

        • saay7

          Selam Legacy:

          Here’s a mini-history of Kenyan politics. Strictly for entertainment because it’s the weekend.

          Once upon a time, steeped in revolutionary righteousness, Jomo Kenyatta won the overwhelming support of Kenyanas on the basis of his revolutionary credentials. As the first president of his Republic, he (from Tribe A) nominated a person of a different tribal affiliation (Tribe B) as his Vice President. They said Hade lbi Hade hzbi for…well not too long.

          Due to policy differences, the Vice President decided to form his own political party. This instantaneously became the Tribe B party (nobody cared what it’s political platform was.)

          Jomo Kenyatta (Tribe A) said well this is not acceptable and shit down the political party of Tribe B. National security demanded it don’t you know. He named somebody whom he considered as zero threat to him, from Tribe C as his Vice President. The Tribe C VP said well thanks for the vice presidency job a useless title but I want to be in charge is internal affairs. This way I can nominate every police chief and I can set immigration security and licensing laws and get to befriend the rich Asian community. Sure, said Tribe A leader as long as you know I am the chief.

          When Jomo Kenyatta died, the Tribe C guy ascended to power and he stayed in power longer than the Tribe A guy. He said let’s stop pretnding we are a multi party system and declare we are one party system. That’s what Africa wants.

          Tribe B chaffed under the abuse of Tribe A and Tribe C.

          When it was no longer acceptable for Africa to claim one party states are the African Way (when the Berlin Wall crumbled) they opened up the multi party system. Uhuru Kenyatta (Tribe A) groomed to take over run for office…and lost. To another Tribe A member. Then he ran again and he won. He won ugly. But he had instigated so much rhetoric against Tribe B he was accused of crimes against humanity and his Kikuyu ass was going to be hauled to ICC until the whole continent of Africa created a protective shield and ICC said there isn’t enough evidence.

          Now it is a rerun of Tribe A vs Tribe B. And you can bet people are checking the tribal affiliation of the Supreme Court which nullified the election which, according to the usual suspects (Western observers) was free and fair albeit with some “irregularities”. Now the same Western observers are complimenting the Supreme Court.

          EriTV didn’t cover the news because there was no bloodshed. If and when there is, it will. Message: stop asking for elections. This is what happens in elections.

          So am I close?

          saay

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7,
            Very nice summary of Kenya’s politics which can fit many of the African scenes. Your reminded how Arap Moi was so lucky. He was actually “ሰብኣይን ሰበይትን ዝተባእሱሉ ድራር ይፍጠረልና ( read: ክልተ ፖለቲካውያን ጎሓሉ) long timer president.

          • saay7

            Ismailom:

            I just marvel at how the West dismissed African politics as “tribal” when, for example, American politics is very tribal. They just don’t call them “tribes” in the US: they are “constituencies”:)

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7,
            The difference is who calls the shots. Bribery is called percentage commission or legitimate gift in many countries of the west while it is ugly corruption in the poor and aid starving countries. Where I live a lot of politicians and party foremen get handsome side payments from companies in order to use their good offices for business purposes.

          • Legacy

            Hi Ismail.

            Arap Moi or as they call him M1 [what a clever nick. It took me a while to figure it out why they referred to him that..Care to guess who M7 is?:)

            Anyway, I digress. Did you refer to him as “lucky” If only any of the African leaders possessed an ounce of his political machinations dexterity. Luck had nothing to do. That man was a shrewd politician. BTW, He survived a coup d’ta attempt if I am not mistaken.

            Now, all we have is those two fools in southern Sudan , Zuma et al:(

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Legacy,
            “Luck had nothing to do” with politics and its follies. That is correct. What I meant in the case of Arap Moi was that since the other two belonged to bigger tribal constituencies, his chances were very circumscribed. But his luck rested in the fact that both did not agree to let one of them rule. Once he got his way, he was able to depend on “his political machinations dexterity”, as you have written.

          • Kebessa

            Selam SAAY,
            Thanks for the history. I didn’t know this stuff. Now remember EriTV informed its viewers that a high level delegation payed visit to Rwanda to participate on election results. The same delegation will be sent to Kenya if God forbid (not my prayer but HGDEF’s) the election is settled peacefully. HGDEF can barely afford two elections in the region, back to back and with no bloodshed,

          • saay7

            Selamat Kebessa:

            I am actually expecting some Xefar awatista to tell me I got it all wrong on the history of Kenyan elections; this is just for weekend entertainment. Please refer to more authoritative sources.

            On Rwanda, PFDJ did not send delegates to participate in the elections. Remember PFDJ considers all elections “drama” — just a big act designed by the West. They sent Hagos Kisha, Osman Saleh and Yemane Gebreab only to participate in the festivities and to relay a message from IA to Kagame in the same “mkhri legisulu” that EriTV used to tell us:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Uhhh, you can’t wash your hand from those kinds of words “Xefar awatista” before you see their arguments, to hit them before they come forward. You see saay, you consider your words are absolute true – a nagging problem.

          • saay7

            Hahahaha Emma:

            This is too funny. No I don’t think I am always right. I just think you are always wrong 😂

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            I sometimes wonder why I even spend a minute to write a comment while I have yours .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,

            So the “xafar” was intended for me and like me who oppose your view? Good to learn that you hate people who challenges you. And that is for sure absolutism in what you say and believe. Keep up that attitude if it helps you and call for everyone who oppose you Xafar.

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            As they say if people label your argument ጸፋር, you prove them wrong with your መስደዲ ጽፍሪ.

          • saay7

            Haha Emma:

            No it wasn’t intended for you at all. You got that one wrong too 🤗

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Yes Saay,

            It doesn’t matter to whom you are saying. Xafar is personal and insulting, and it does not invite even to help you to avoid your faulty language that are sprayed all over your comments. Still you are defending your faulty language.

          • Selamat Ayya AH,

            Saay7 is doing his Robert Deniro impersonation as an Uber driver. (yes, the remake is renamed UBER)

            “Are you talking to me?
            Arrreee youu takling to me?
            ‘ you talking to me?”

            tSAtSE

          • Legacy

            Hi Saay,

            That is a funny anecdote of an account of what transpired in post independent Kenya. Though, an optimist would paint it as Bush.v.Clinton 2.0 African style. 😉 Two political dynasties fighting it out 3 decades later . What else is new 🙂
            I actually have a more favorable view of Kenyan politics.For all the tribal politics that permeates Kenyan Polity, Kenyan politicians are very savvy and highly sophisticated. Where else in Africa could you find a primary school teacher goes on to lead a nation of 30m people for 3 decades with an iron fist, loots its wealth and goes to retire with a golden parachute to countryside without impunity? That, takes a unique set of political skills.

            You got to give to Kenyatta’s foresight to pick a ‘Tribe C’ to succeed him when he could have been as greedy as his fellow African leaders of his era to pass it to his fellow tribesmen which would have plunged the nation into turmoil and by extension endangering his legacy. I know it sounds obvious now but that must have been a breakthrough for the 60s and 70s. He knew it was too risky to give it to “Tribe B” which would have gone on an orgy of “payback” ethnic-cleansing. Instead hand it over to “Tribe C” which is a minority which would be too busy consolidating its power to go after “Tribe A”

            Fast forward to the late 90s. Tony Blair was still popular. Zedan and company were getting ready for their European assault following on the hills of their successful World-cup offensive ( Zedan would have to wait another 6 years to discover his other assaulting talents .] Neighboring nations , whose names shall remain unmentioned were prepping to provide us with a WWI style trench-warfare theatre. In Kenya , “Tribe C” was planning an exit strategy. So who would it be? “Tribe B?” Naah ! “Tribe B’ would sacrifice it in a second just to send a message to its nemesis “Tribe A” and you can also add 30 years of treason charges for collaborating with the “enemy” to that .No, the ideal candidate was , yes, you guessed it it it was , “Tribe A”! Years of out of government meant that it was out of practice to conduct an effective witch-hunt and besides would be too busy uncovering old wounds with its arch-rival “Tribe B”…

            it is what IT professionals refer to as a “LOOP”

          • saay7

            Well played Legacy:

            Only thing I would mention to add to your delightful piece is that there is no majority or minority in Kenya. God in His Wisdom (actually, the god of the African scramble) made sure that a country called Kenya would be created from tribes whose most populous, A Tribe Called Kikuyu, accounts for less than a 1/4. (22%) The runner ups (Luo) at 21% have every reason to be irate that they haven’t have the presidential post since the country was formed, mostly because the country was a one-party State for most of its life. And if they complain, they are called “tribalists!” 🙂

            saay

          • Selamat Saay7,

            On tribal politics and or tribal politicians and “bringing it home:”

            Why do you suppose, prior to 1991, the EPLF and TPLF vehemently differed on Independent Tigray?
            Tribe B, north and south of the mereb were fighting for the same goal. Only, their strategies differed because of each’s desire to be the center of gravity or at the helm of the power of the new state.
            ahhh, I will save the Tribe Call Q insight for later….=.1428571

            tSAtSE

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Legacy,

          Indeed the Kenyan political phenomenon will be a good lesson to us in particular and to the African countries in general. It helps us to think about “elections without democracy” usually of hybrid authoritarian regimes, can create a climate of that nature. Hybrid regimes are born from hybrid constitutional structures that gives the power to manipulate the election process to those who are in power. Keep in mind that we are in an era of competitive authoritarianism. I can not predict how the Kenyan politics goes after the Kenyan higher courts annulled the recent Kenyan election. But, what I could give my warning, nations with hybrid constitutional structure must reform their constitutional power structure to lessen constitutional crises.

          regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman,

            That is what you get when constitution making process is entrusted to an authority already in power. Manipulating the project cannot be avoided even in relatively advanced political settings in the so called developing South.

          • Yossef Kesete

            selam Emma

            I asked you a question on the Baby Corp article and I never got a reply. If you don’t mind, let me ask you again. I very much appreciate your input. That’s the reason why. The question is

            What is the best strategy, in your opinion, to unite the forces for
            change and shorten the suffering of the Eritrean people whilst at the
            same time lay a strong foundation for the future?

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Yossef Kessete,

            My comments mostly are made from work in between my professional work (stealing minutes from here and there and sometimes are incomplete responses and unedited ones). I reserved your question to late evening and I ended up to forget it. Sorry for that.

            (a) First we don’t have a common definition to our enemy to have a common strategy to fight against for. Some they say “issayas only” and their fight is only against the person Issayas and few people around him. Others says Issayas and the system he installed to run the government. A big difference to reconcile and make a meaningful strategy to change the system that is suffocating our people.

            (b) We don’t agree how to run our nation in the event the regime and the system falls either by its own weight or internal forces, or external forces, or by both. No body knows as the realities are very volatiles in the region. For example on the nature of government we envision wether it will be decentralized or centralized governments, that will determine the nature of the constitutional document we might have. These and others breed the mistrust among us.

            These two determinant issues must resolved in order to make a united and meaningful struggle. The solution to come to a kind of conference with good will to listen each others grievances address them in order to define the regime collectively and chart down the strategy how to tackle it. My own view is
            to avoid the 1997 constitutional document because it is divisive even by the account of its chief author who opined unity with Ethiopia has not validity at all to go with it. second my opinion on the nature of government should be “decentralized unitary government” that gives certain power to the periphery or administrative unites as determined by the constitution ( both the units and the power to them). The kind of power of the administrative unites should be “political and administrative” in nature, leaving the fiscal to the central power. By that it means the unites can elect their political leaders without the interference of the central government and administer our people within the administrative unites. These are in a nutshell my views written in my articles.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saba

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,
            I think the opposition should agree only one one thing: establishing “temporary instruments of democracy” that will allow the people to draft a Constitution and electoral laws. That could be achieved by creating a transitional government. Then the Constitution drafted by the people will determine the type of government, whether it is decentralized or not. The opposition need NOT agree on the type of government. The people should decide that. If the goal of the the opposition is to establish “temporary institutions of democracy”, more people will join the opposition and it will be easy to identify who is for the people and who is against the people.
            First you have to agree to build the house and then you can discuss how to share or divide the units of the house. Before you build the house if you start to discuss how to share it, unity will be difficult to achieve and the house will not be built. So discussions about the land, resource allocation, the type of government, etc should wait until the constitution is drafted by the PEOPLE and the opposition need NOT to agree about them .

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Saba,
            The Italians say “il Lupo perde il pelo ma non il vizio”.
            I think this is the only comment of yours that I read that makes good sense. I hope you will keep your future comments that way.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ciao Haile,

            Non era necessario. Non e giusto, puoi fare meglio. Si?

            Smile 🙂

          • Haile Zeru

            Chiedo scusa, SGJ.
            Saba, e’ una persona intelligente se si libera dal vizio di “opposition bashing”.

          • Haile WM

            Ciao,

            ma non sai che quello è lo sport nazionale ? quello di “oppostition bashing” ? ZeHmiqo aleni, betrey habeni iya ita guday

          • Haile Zeru

            Purtroppo, non e’ l’unica.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Saba,

            I couldn’t agree more. The problem is when those who believe on the 1997 constitutional document (which I consider it as the fertile womb of authoritarian regimes) start to dictate us and preach as to start with it. The other side of the argument can cannot close their eyes and let them to take us to the dangerous road of division and disenfranchisement to our people. Look at them when they say don’t bring the issue of majority and minority. When they tell us don’t talk about fair sharing, it shows where they want to take us. With such contempt and disregard to their fellow Eritreans does not encourage to even talk with open mind and honest to issues that matter the nation and its people.

            We oppose the 1997 document and we oppose that was drafted in 2011 at awassa. Constitutions and constitutional process can not be determined without the participation of the entire population. Both document could not meet the requirement. But exclusionist are always exclusionist and they are trying to force us to accept for a document that was tailored to accommodate only to them and their sympathizers. What we are saying to them is, we will not allow to ourselves to jump from the frying pan to the fire. Saba this time we see eye to eye on the point you made.

            Regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Amanuel Hidrat,

            You make my day..

            KS,,

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saba,
            I find myself agreeing with you fully on that and I have to put this comment. Thank you

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Saba,
            Thank you; you have the meaning and purpose of what an opposition should be in good grasp. That is what the should happen. Nobody could act in lieu of the sovereign rights of the people.

          • blink

            Dear Saba
            Either way these on power will END up setting the parameter , nothing is given to the public, every opponents of the 1997 wants their own vision unless how do they know that the people were not in the process of the 1997,

            The people who are opposing the 1997 are two types: 1. PFDJISTA,who wanted to go on their long one man project an opposed
            2. The people who wanted to divide Eritrea across ethnic lines ,even though they know there is no place called and marked for kunama, afar and all, they wanted their failed old vision to be put in test.

            One thing you must not forget is that the 1997 was drafted to include every one but what can the people do if some fringe groups wanted their autonomy mini state ? Think over it , do you think these in the opposite direction are caring for the people of Eritrea while they sleep and breathes ethnic divisions theory, I heartfelt reject their COROCORDAIL tears.

            They are simply after lost and defeated dreams unless they have and can find everything to make Eritrea a vibrant democracy from the 1997.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear blink,
            Assuming you are an aspiring young man or woman, it’s always helpful learning more about things before allowing yourself the right of pronouncing judgement on them. Otherwise your judgement would come out as mere imagination. This is precisely what you comments in this post project. They lack in supportive facts and are reckless and incoherent allegations. .

          • blink

            Dear Mr.ismael
            Incoherent allegations Really ?? Does your judgment have any lens from my side ? I have to ask sir , who is opposing the 1997 constitution, Ali salim a man who has a new Map of Eritrea ? It is important to see the CV of the opposing views,is not it fair to ask who are these opposing and why ? If your answer is NO , my reply will be surprisingly shock you.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear blink,

            “surprising …[and] shock”, never mind about that; I have had plentty of them in my life.
            The call from me was not asking or not asking. The point is about being judicious or reckless in your judgement. In other words, do not over judge and hand out unsubstantiated allegations.

            To be blunt: No one, who has expressed critical views on your constitution, is calling for dismembering the country into ethnic mini-states, and yet you want to jump to higher moral ground and ask for their CV just because you do not like their views. If you have problem with Ali Salem or whoever, be specific, and instead of distributing allegations left and right, state your nuanced argument and then come up with sensible conclusion people react to.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Ismael
            I really do not want to waste your time on this but i think i am willing to learn even if the bad once, just to get experience .This is not about me having problem with Ali salim or any one but the people who are clapping to his view do matter because they supposed to be a good example to young people who are looking for a better experienced people. On the flip side this is about people ,who are unwilling and unable to establish a single good ,clear ,effective national program for almost 37 years , yet they come to belittle a very good modern document . if you think people do not see your view inline with your past ,correct me and i will apologies. Unless sensible to you may not be sensible to me that is why we comment. I can not explain more than these great people who explained the good side and bad side of the document but i can bring the main reason about WHY DO PEOPLE OPPOSE the document.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear blink,
            Again, you are abundantly entitled to criticize individuals. I do not have the right of challenging you on that score. What I am saying is that when you make conclusions please make allowance for not generalizing your judgement as on the issue of visions about ethnicization of our politics. If you find those you critize did not produce programs, that is just fine. I hope you got me now, dear.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            You raised a very good point. I am not sure if you are referring to individual’s or groups (collective) opinion. Given what matters is, as you mentioned, how the opposition groups define the problem, develop the vision and the means to deliver, could you be a bit specific on which group sees Isaias as the only problem?

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Our opposition camps are comprised of organized political organizations, civil society, and individuals activists. So your question is who are these group or individuals who say Issayas is the only problem? I will give you one of each. From civil society – CiDRI, from political organization – medrekites, from individual activist – our own Saay. The rest, I will leave it for you to find out.

            regards

          • Yossef Kesete

            Thank you Emma. I’ll digest it.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            Well said. If you permit me, let me add a (c), complementary to the other two. We (the Eritrean people) are not on the same dinner table. In the past we had a small dinner table called Mieda (ሜዳ, now obsolete) to which every volunteer was throwing his lunch bag. Now we are weary, spread all over the globe from east to west and north to south, straight out of Babel, in search of our own bread and clinging to our lunch bags. Those still in the Tower are also weary asked to continue tightening their belt. I completely agree with you on looking for solution through “kind of conference with good will to listen each other”, without getting into a fight on where we are going to tie the Goat before we own it, as the famous adage goes (the spouses who separated because the husband threatened to tie the goat they were planning to buy on his wife’s grinding stone).
            Cheers

          • Peace!

            Hi YK,

            Good question. While waiting.. I think the problem lies on the 30+ opposition groups to come clean with their causes and strategies.

            Peace!

          • Legacy

            Hi Amanuel H,

            No doubt about the valuable lessons of this experience not only for African countries but for the rest of world. It just has an eerie coincidence viewed in the context of US elections. The experts are saying that this has never happened in history since modern nations begun orchestrating elections.

            But what I would like to get your opinion is where does “luck” fits in in trying to make sense of International law and politics? You have to wonder whther the Jewish state would have been the same if it wasn’t lucky enough to have founding fathers with wide shoulders or the Czech Republic without its first leader who told the Slovaks ” You don’t want to be with us ? Mengedu cherk yadriglachihu?”

            Not a superstitious person but it is always something that occupies my mind.

            Or is it haram like to mixing evolution with creation ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Legacy,

            I think supreme court intervening in an election outcome, at least in view, is not knew that happened in Kenya. It was also happened in the USA in 2000 election between Gore and Bush. The supreme court voted 5 to 4 to give the presidency to Bush. In every election there is always irregularities. The issue is how bad is the irregularities to change the outcome. If the irregularities was so wide that could change the outcome, the supreme court should intervene provided the constitution allows them. If the constitution allows them, then the law must have a mechanism how to adjudicate a rerun election. I hope the Kenyan Supreme court are giving their decision on the spirit of the Kenyan constitution and the Kenyan election laws. If it is indeed the case, Kenyans should abide by the law and the decision of the court – the Supreme court as the final arbiter of the law.

            In this case the luck fits in, if the Kenyans and their political parties respect the decision of supreme court as the final arbitration to the case, and follow the election law regarding on the rerun election. I am sure they have it, otherwise the court can not pass their decision in a vacuum as to what should be done next. I hope I answered your question.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Legacy,

            The Kenyan Supreme Court annulled the Kenyan election not because of irregularities, but because they didn’t follow their constitution and the election law of the nation. But there is good news that the new election date is set on October 18 2017. It will not take them into tribal conflict of the past,

            Regard

          • Legacy

            Hi Amanuel H,

            I really , really hope that they will pull through this and definitely will be rooting for a peaceful transition. They could use less of our pessimism. But in reality, the next two months will be testing Kenyans’ perseverance because of the “unintended consequences.” of this historic decision.

            For example, thanks Saay, I didn’t realize the percentages between the Luhyas and the Kikuyus are that close which means that accounting for margin of errors a tie outcome is statistically very much possible. Even a win. Supposed Odinga wins? How do you think that will go down with the population? I am sure most people including western nations are hoping that Kenyatta wins. If he doesn’t win then you can only imagine the mayhem that will ensue .

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Legacy,
      This is a landmark event that would lead to temporary pains on Kenyan politics but will set a positive precedence for African constitutions.

  • said

    Greeting,

    The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

    — William Faulkner

    A century or more arbitrary drawing of borders by western powers. Worldwide is nothing new , is how the Eritrean state has been constructed, there are very few pure nation-states; almost all have some elements of ethnic or religious diversity and many have coped with it far more effectively than Eritrean regime. From IA dictator’s viewpoint, internal fissures are not necessarily unwelcome, though. They can be exploited to play one element off against another .
    Eritrean people are not blind to the sordid history of the 3000 years of history of Habesha civilization . But they also know that all countries have sordid histories. Eritrean people prefer not to extract from the 3000 years experience that which is most not usable and useful and there was a reason legal and political for disunion. Eritrean have and must keep their eyes on the prize of an ever more just society and which never happened .
    Old saying: ‘when elephants battle, ants get crushed. What happened to the deep value of Ethiopian Christians value and Whatever happened to turn the other cheek ,they are supposedly ardently anti-Communist and some supported Mengustu Haile Mariam and his war against Eritrean people of a full-scale war, off a genocide. Certainly, the Ethiopian war machine unleashed a unique savagery in Eritrea , but it was made worse by MHM psychopathic indifference to Eritrean innocent human life.
    Whatever happened More than Half a century ago, Imperial Ethiopian never proposed the obvious, sensible solution , a promise of referendum on independence . And the very least not to invade Eritrea . which so many inside the capital Addis Ababa seem were more eager to fight and were forcibly incorporated and annexed Eritrea by force ? There was no anti-war moderate Ethiopian or calling for a peaceful solution to the war in 1960th and Imperial Ethiopia treating Eritrean as sub-humans and humiliated Eritrea aspiration . Eritrea utterly naked to Ethiopian aggression, who include sellout Eritrean hypocrites ,opportunist and treaters that deserves utmost attention of treason .
    In the face of injustice , Eritrean are proud for standing up to the mighty Ethiopian army ,Eritrean who fought hard and accomplished extraordinary feats under extraordinarily difficult circumstances . Ethiopian amnesia about the tremendous sacrifice of the Eritrean people is lamentable. But the war of liberation has been socially irrelevant in proper Ethiopia, despite the fact that it is the longest modern war in Ethiopian history. War did not transform Ethiopia society till the arrival of TPLF and entering Addis Ababa. They dampened their Communist Marxism ideology and their new fond enthusiasm for entrepreneurial pursuits for better in relative terms.

    The above is very short important comment and topics is for historian and that I have no knowledge of history or forgotten many to mention , how do you assess at any given time which were the dominant factor. The best is to be told by people who lived through the era. The past is never past.

  • Brhan

    Hello Mr. Ismael,

    It is a good article and I would like to add three points to it:

    Firstly, many have said that Canada is a great country because it is green. But I can also say it is great because it gives green light to free speech too. Even the 150 anniversary was debated not only in private media but also in public media like CBC where the pro and against anniversary sides presented their arguments and indicated they will or won’t celebrate it according to their views.

    Secondly Canada is not only accepting many Eritrean refugees but also it is expediting their cases so that their status as protected person is decided without a hearing.

    Last but not least Canada heard the calls of justice seeker Eritreans who struggled from Canada’s coast to coast to coast to make the collecting of the 2% tax illegal and the PF(JD) representative in Canada was expelled because he did not stop the collecting of that tax.

    It is a great country and the above privileges boost our struggle in making the vision you presented in this article become true.

    merci beaucoup

  • Legacy

    Happy Birthday Eritreans!
    I hope all your dreams and aspirations of building your nation comes true. The story of eritrea is a story of so much potential and deferred dreams not only to its subjects but the region at large .

  • saay7

    Selamat Ismael:

    Happy September 1 and happy Eid Al Adha.

    This is a very enjoyable piece, crystallizing our best hopes and wishes.

    But ah the details. I was struck by even the beginning: for Canadians to celebrate 150 year anniversary, they must agree what year zero was: it’s the date of the confederation of the four original provinces. What is year zero for Eritrea? Is it:

    3,000 years ago, when part of Eritrea was part and parcel of an ancient civilization?

    Is it 127 years ago, when Italy declare Eritrea its first colony and set its boundaries?

    Is it 26 years ago, when Eritreans for the first time ever took possession of all the territories drawn by the Italians?

    With us, everything is a challenge. My favorite part is when a PFDJista says “Eritrea is only 26 years old!” just before arguing about Italian maps and bragging about Hgi Endaba and Metera and Adulis.

    So when was Zero Hour?

    saay

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Saay,

      For Eritrea year zero would 1991, or 1993 (just to be formal). The reason I said is because, Eritreans become for the first time, masters of our own destiny without approval from anyone else. (How things turned out by our own is a different story). And that’s in line like most other countries, US, Canada, Ireland, India, etc.

      Of course we existed as people, like all others. I think Ethiopia can claim 3000 years because it was still continue, the sane way Iran claims 5000 years.

      Berhe

      • Selam Berhe Y.,

        This 3000 yrs history is eritrean history too. It is there to be reclaimed. Sixty years of italian occupation or occupation of the red sea coastal areas by turks and arabs has not changed anything. Highland eritrea has retained its habesha culture, tradition and religion, which connects it to the common past.
        Even during the italian colonial period, eritrean christians went to gondar to get further religious educations. They traded and intermarried freely with those beyond the virtual borders of the day, for borders had no meaning for the ordinary inhabitant. They did not become catholics, except the few, the italian language did not become the official language of the land, as in many other african countries where the language of the colonizers remained behind after they left, and the habesha culture which descended from antiquity still flourishes in the region. Therefore, the 3000 yrs history is the history of at least highland eritrea, if not that of the lowlands too, because it was not an empty space, and the influence could have reached there as well.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon,

          Ok you miss understood me. Yes the 3000 years history belongs to Eritrea as well and I am such person not only who believes in it but also proud of.

          What I was saying was what’s Year zero for Eritrea, when is the nation build and the people become their own masters.

          For exampke the Canadian people, let’s say the majority (French and English people), their history is tied with France and GB. But they celebrate being Canadian (declared independence) as year zero.

          Berhe

      • saay7

        Hi Berhe:

        You introduced a fourth day: Referendum Day 1993 🙂

        By the way in the long love note you guys are giving Canada (well deserved I am sure), has it reversed its boneheaded decision to classify all ELF and EPLF veterans as terrorists not deserving permanent residence and a path to naturalization?

        saay

        • MS

          Ahlan SAAY
          I would say, definitely 1991. That’s because, emmmmm, the 30000 thing let it go, if we are to take that benchmark, we will revive extinct empires. The Romans will have to rollback to their expanses, the Greeks, Egyptians, etc. If we take 1890, declaration of the colony Eritrea by Italians, well, we just were meant to be a colony not a nation, and we never were a nation. The federal arrangement? Nope, we were meant to be Ethiopians and we were in fact Ethiopian citizens. The 1993 Referendum? Could be argued but it was a legal process to finalize a de facto independence. The real deal is May 24, 1991, which severed Eritrea’s tie with Ethiopia, and a date that established Eritrea’s self-rule.
          How is that Canada failed to chase out Semere Andom the EPLFite?

        • Haile Zeru

          Hi SAAY,

          You are right that was really boneheaded. It was the way the law was interpreted. I do not know whether they changed the law or its interpretation. I remember a journalist that went to Sahel in mid 80’s wrote a lengthy article about it. Basically he was arguing , that’s showing
          that the way they interpreted the law was making even Mandela a terrorist
          Because he never renounced violence as a means of deafeting Apartheid.

          • saay7

            Selam Haile Z:

            I think it’s a post 9-11 remnant when every Western country made a list of terrorist orgs and individuals. If I remember correctly, the EPLF and TPLF were listed for having listed (allegedly) Western targets (NGOs and aid groups) in the mid 1980s during the Great Famine. At one point (Canadians can correct me) I think Canada denied visa to Eritreas FM Osman Saleh not for anything having to do with PFDJ of 2000s but EPLF of the 1980s. Weird.

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi SAAY,
            You know, I am not in the law business and all I am saying is from memory. But I think the law was already there. Someone started to apply in a way that was not expected. I remember an ELF member having problems with it.
            The article did not mention orgs. It simply states of you try to change violently,with arms, the government of the day you areautomatically a terrorist.
            Said that let me give big credit to Canada. We are the only western country that stood against USA of Ronald Reagan and Great Britain of Margaret Tacther (I hope I got that right) to support Nelson Mandela while he was still in prison. And that was our conservative prime minister.
            We condemned the Russian inversion of Afghanistan in the 80’s. Almost everybody did. Dispite they were driven to the mountains of Sahel EPLF was considering them Eritrea’s natural allies.
            In the 80’s our conservative foreign minister visited Palestain under the escort of Israeli army. Right there he said. If we gave Quebec the right to secede by simple referendum why can’t the Palestinians have referendum to establish their own state? Of course he lost his job when he came back.
            The list of positive accomplishment is too long without going back to the award.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Saay and all,

          I actually don’t know where the government policy stands right now, or how many people are actually affected. May be Ghezae knows better.

          The previous government as Haile Z., the previous government (conservative) was making all kind of terrorism policy. I think the primary target were Palestinian and anyone related with overboard blatant support of Israel. At some point they broke diplomatic ties with Iran, because Israel said Iran is a threat. They denied entry to the British / Scottish member of parliament because he advocates for Palestinian people. They cut funds to Canadian NGO because they were reporting and supporting the effectives of Israel bombings. At some point they passed a low to deny refugees medical treatment (that most provinces, doctors and hospitals were ignoring).

          I think the ERITREAN policy come around the sand time. The current government of have been reversing most of those policy (restored ties with Iran, reversed policy for refugees to get free medical care etc).

          Berhe

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Saay,

          With regards to the long love for Canada, my Argentinian friend said “I think this country [Canada] runs on its own. The politicians spend their time talking about stupid things, become nothing better to worry about .

          I asked such as, he said, legalizing pot, trans people equal access to washrooms, kids bulling in school etc. Important points but relative to economy, elections, taxes, Medicare, war, etc.

          Well I think that’s because they have out the best foundation and they were blessed with few good leaders to have a good foundation.

          So all the arguments with regards to the Hankas constitution, should not be underestimated. From day one, it will create a conflic and it doesn’t know how to solve. For example IsmaelA has a valid point with regards to the party formation, that the system is trying to force / engineer the make up of the constituents. That’s completely different when a party is elected and set its agenda. For example, we have to believe that the people of Kebesa to fight and defeat in the ballet box for people such as agazians. Same goes to the Islamists.

          And I don’t agree to the argument that those in opposition should come up with their own version. Because they don’t have the NGO and the state finiances behind them to spend resources and time to work on. But if they do I am sure they will produce a much better one. Not that they are smarter or better but they do NOT have Isayas to please and answer to.

          Note: If I sound in support and at times in opposition of the shelved constitution, because I am. Don’t go all The God Father on me, “every time I thought I was out, they bring me back in”:)

          Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe Y:

            Question is: was the Canadian constitution Hankas at birth and had to be modified or was it always the multicultural manifesto it is now? 🙂

            Hankas always beats quadriplegic in any race that doesn’t involve wheelchairs

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Alek Allah ya SAAY, you are calling HANKAS the Canadian Constitution and you are using your brain power to diffend the crap you call Const. of 1997??
            …and consistent ideology, the ideology that bankrupted Eritrea?
            That is too much to take.
            I know your word play. You do not mean it now but then. And even then it is in a question form. The fact remains though, you are throwing some mud.

          • saay7

            Haile Z:

            You are overreacting. Again. Berhe Y called the 1997 Constitution of Eritrea “hankas” (lame) and I asked, using his standard, was the original Canadian constitution (before its amendments) also lame. Mind you: we are talking about a constitution that didn’t have a Bill of Rights until only 1982. Was it Hankas beteeen the time it was drafted until 1982?

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi SAAY,
            That was just theatrics SAAY.
            On a more serious note, in late 80’s there was a very strong debate to ammend the Canadian Constitution. It was proposed by the then Conservative government.
            They were planning to add a third and forth leg. They proposed to call Quebec a “distinct society” and add First Nation (native Canadians) as the founding people of Canada. The debate raged for a while but at the end it did not go thru.
            The person who squashed it was a native Canadian in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I guess he was not happy with the amendment and he held his vote to the deadline. That forced Manitoba parliament not passing a yes vote and it killed the whole enterprise.
            So lesson to take is that I looked, assisted debates to amend a Constitution and let me tell you the Eritrean debate of 1997 was a joke. Actually there was no debate.

    • Selamat Captain,

      Are you asking here what role does Ethiopia has or play on boosting up an official Eritrean Constitution here? The term flip flopper for American political candidates seeking office all are familiar with. I never took Saay7 as a flip flopper, but either in this post Saay7 gulped a couple of Takila Shots on the occasion of the double feast Day and eve of, is in the fun house in an amusement park with the silly folks, though learned resort to toddler age games of sticking their tongue out… It is unbecoming of Saay7 to incorrigible folks by delving to their level. Why then does Saay7 advocate for the ’97 constitution which EXPLICITLY states year zero. Okay he may have needed a break and tussle with miniscule intellects who posses some insignificant capital, status, access to the corridors of the powerful and as a consequence a little power themselves, who not only give a flying rats meAkor to when Eritrea’s year zero is but also will leave less than zero legacy of any substance to Eritrea. Gold Diggers, be they females, males or transgenders who they are. Yes Saay7 perhaps lumped up and bloodied in his recent 15 rounds bout against heavy weight Amanuel “The Ayya Trustee” Hidrat, is cozying up to the gold diggers? Yo Mahmouday “The Best” SaliH, I am quite sure you are aware of the concept of “proportional response doctrine.*” Perhaps brother Gheteb was right to suspect you as one of the “Deki WushaTTe.” Otherwise, it would be an innate understanding and application you would have and respect of the “proportional response doctrine.” I am really disappointed and disgusted of your lampen EPLF/PFDJ like disrespect towards [Ayya] Ato Amanuel Hidrat in your disingenuous defense of Saay7. Materfactly it could and will be constructed and presented that Saay7 is PFDJista. Ayya Amanuel Hidrat hit the hammer on the nail!

      I am still an ardent believer that Saay7 has the capability of intellectual prowess to commandeer an Eritrean Constitution in the near future, whether it is or not based on the ’97 Constitution. I suspect he may even be privy to to a slightly modified prepared constitution soon to be public. The gold diggers may have been soliciting his services and advice due to his numerous expertise, though seemingly pro bono but perhaps with a deservedly sweetened severance package fit for pharmaceutical CEOs in the form of SERPs and… ….

      Now, yours truly GitSAtSE, will remain loyal and appreciative of his Captain Saay7 for all the qualities , capabilities, and seemingly unending knowledge the Professor possesses. The cheerleading is not for the empathy or sympathy Saay7’s generosity bestows on the less fortunate, deprived of either the material or intellectual wealth. tSAtSE, I assure you lacks neither. You may win the midgets of the Nitrics, SKs and so who crave pity, due to their deep self whispers of the real truth they are very well aware off, that in fact, regardless of their perfumed, moisturized and custom designed for longevity and seemingly physical prowess.strength diets due to their ill attained status, they are doomed to live a thousand lives without attaining nirvana because they have opted to forgo The Creator’s Gift of superior intellect and consciousness superior above other living creatures–so they think and believe these sub animals gold diggers. And they love Saay7’s acknowledgements and validation with the pity he bestows upon them with his trademarked second to no other Eritrean generosity to all. ….. … …. [We have an entire quarter of ’17 to go, which just commenced.] Pity me not, captain, for I have observed a statistically sufficient sample, i.e. hundreds if not closer to a Thousand snot nosed Nitrics, who dare not look eye level at this GitSAtSE, for they are instantaneously turned into inanimate stones by his medusa like power. And your imminent realization as the most toxic waste to be created as an Eritrean, neither do you possess the capability to deploy a thousand times a proportional response, and I invite it very much, should you do so it will net you exactly ZILCH which is your worth as will be demonstrated. Kurmuyatt!!!

      And though, in reversal of roles, Saay7 as the manipulated by AI, a concept he missed by a mile, I shall illustrated and rescue him to be the true Neo he is destined for. By 10/10 The perfect Libra, Saay7 will either disown the ’97 Eritrean Constitution or provide full disclosure of the impending document drafted to safeguard “the power ambitions” for those who positioned themselves to ascend, control and safeguard what they prized personally most. You failed to realise, that there are many who value Constitutional guarantee for their personal investments and sacrifices that has equally if not more contributed to the building of the Eritrean State whose “Year Zero” will be unmistakably clear in The Eritrean National Constitution. We too value very much what is both our inheritance and hard earned assets.

      Speaking of brother Gheteb, I read his frustrations of long ago in the recent brhan comment, the years long resigned enlightened Eritrean Budha in one Mr. Saleh “Johar” Ghadi, and my faint suspicion of Captain Saay7’s last comment with similar attitudes creeping. An attitude of hopelessness and possibly saboteurs. The recent declarations of Ghedab to resume a frontal attack and hands on all opposition orgs threats, I hate to inform you, it will not be that simple dear. And nor are the Erimedrekh’s and other more visible online tabloid online journals who have capitalized in collusion exempt for the ginormous cost inflicted on Eritrean nationals. Your respectful handicap afforded you by the good will of the Eritrean Masses, similar to MS Suit 17 years patent, has expired in this ’17 marker of Y2K. So stop your nonsense, of the grab race to fill the imminent power vacuum you so anxiously desire to fill by stoking the fires flaring up, and prioritize all efforts in collectively producing an Eritrean Constitution that safeguards the rights of all Eritreans ASAP. You will. Why? Because I got you covered! And Saay7, ready yourself to Captain an onslaught you have never faced. Your intellectual integrity will not permit you to forgo your destined role that you are very capable in delivering captain. Lest all of us who have tremendous respect for your are shocked to see a person of your caliber and stature as KindishiH Nirtic the snot nose and the like.

      All of the above hypes shall be justified for the sole purpose of prioritizing the Eritrean Constitution.

      And of the Ethiopian Horizons, semi Hyats and wise Hippo Fanti… etc… your real powers, sincere and the not so chicaneries that serve only your ideological and other appeasements of your psychosomatic necessities, invited by SOS distress calls, including Captain Saay7’s invoking as choice A) 3000 years ago as “Eritrea’s Year Zero for the sole purpose to be utilized for the consolidation of power legitimacy a real and current shakeup occurring in Eritrea, is evidence a mutually beneficial and incognito deals dangled as a carrot. For the moment, it shall serve as the well polished double edged saint and devil eternal nemesis… though though though….and to distract for yet another wool over the eyes of the Eritrean Citizen. My dear benevolent Ethiopian brethren, you are no different than the goaded impassioned veteran ELFers via the well scholarly maneuverings utility of the ’97 Eritrea Constitution. Though, indicative of the early and secret 2017 intrastate deals and treaties, in exchange official and unofficial Ethiopian ambassadors and governments will gain more than the veteran ELFers who were encouraged to believe more their nonsensical ideology of Eritrean Ethnic Federalism they were engineered to tow with lethargic and meek energy for a couple of decades.
      Okay, I will allow you all silly rabbits snatching the joyous TRIX from kids, as fruit of your labor, up until Monday September 4th to be on vacation and further silliness. It is after all labor day.
      No Sirs, Madams and unspecified, The Eritrean Constitution as a priority topic is irrevocable.
      KISS will make it all vivid! And berhe yeman is right when he said “Eritreans for the first time are solely responsible for their fait.” As well as Kokhob Selam being very right when he said to Saay7, “professor with all the knowledge you possess…” you don’t know “Eritrea’s Year Zero?” Take a hint from this current articles author Mr. Ismael Mukhtar. Eritrea’s year zero is 1857 when a fisherman from adulis discovere Kewaja pink salmon in his fishnet…..Get serious and quickly.

      *Regardless of whether states are party to the treaties above, experts say the principle is part of what is known as customary international law. According to the doctrine, a state is legally allowed to unilaterally defend itself and right a wrong provided the response is proportional to the injury suffered.Jul 13, 2006
      Israel and the Doctrine of Proportionality | Council on Foreign Relations
      backgrounder/israel-and-doctrine-proportionality

      And I guarantee that not a single sole here has knowledge of what is exactly meant by AI in the world of technology innovators. Not even you Captain Saay. You are in for a big shock when you are finally unhooked from the machine you serve to live as a free human in Zion. The Key maker will open the right door for you soon. Lock and load baby or you can choose to have cocktails with Nitric and your conversation will be the highly stimulating how to chisel your body to look like Adonis with the right nutrients… FAT FAT PHAT PHAT!

      Happy Abu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution.

      AmEritrean GitSAtSE

      • saay7

        Selam Tsatse:

        Ambibeyo debdabekhi
        BebHade Qalatu
        Rieyo s’eltatki
        Afzizuni mTmatu

        I think you are saying Eritreas Zero Hour is May 24, 1991

        The rest is all curses and mejen and, in the words of your local customer service rep, we appreciate your feedback.

        saay

    • Brhan

      Hello SAAY,

      The first nation people of Canada where in this land that is called Canada now for the past 10000 years.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam all,

    I would like to add the following to the list above:

    – A country where religion and ethnic based political parties banned.

    – A country where those who mix religion and ethnicity with politics are deported to a religious/ethnic paradise of their choice.

    – A country where the secular army protects the secular constitution.

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Ismael Ibrahim Al-Mukhtar,

    ” Democratic norms and civilized discourses are not established by decree, but they are values inculcated in the physic of the nation …”. These words elegantly epitomize the substance of the discussion this forum has been hosting in the past week or two. Although some among us might have felt bored, the gist of the debate in the light of the ’97 constitution was how to restore civilized discourse to the “physics” of the Eritrean nation after it had been adulterated by arbitrary decrees perpetuation of power and calculations had required. The virgin soil on which the seeds of democratic norms and values have to be planted and nurtured as, Ismael has eloquently stated, is a constitution as custodian of foundational laws. Bad seeds planted today would never germinate; and if they do they would not grow to produce healthy fruits. This would also apply to states as agents entrusted to oversee nation building.
    Thank you and God bless you Ismael.

  • Robel Cali

    Hey Ismael Ibrahim Mukhtar,

    I agreed with everything you wrote except for this part:

    “A country where religion and shared values become the social anchor of a humane, civilized, faithful and caring society.”

    Everything great about Canada is due to the absence of religion becoming a social or political anchor. So why should Eritrea be held back by bad ideas from the 7th and 1st centuries?

    Also, people have been caring and civilized long before religion was invented. There is evidence of our ape ancestors caring for their injuried and burying their dead millions of years before the first religion was invented.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Robel Cali,

      Let me interject with three points:

      1. “…people have been caring and civilized long before religion was invented…”

      A: I don’t think that is trues because as far as human history can go, there was religion of some sort or another. Humans have never been civilized as far as violence is concerned–it’s is still raging everywhere, be it in medieval manner or advanced technological mass-killing

      B: the whole narration of science as far as existence is concerned revolves around the ‘survival of the fittest”. Human history has always been bloody and violent—even natural selection is based on one species decimating another.

      C: Do you think anyone who openly declares to be agnostic or athiest will ever be elected in Eritrea?

  • joseoph

    hi, i wonder wenn people who believe in islam advocate for democracy and rule of law.
    the writer here hopes his nativ country ,would make similar accomplishments as his adopted country ,but fails to see the difference of the cultural ethnical reglious make-up of both nations.
    In 1841 wenn canada was found , there was more or less one ethnic group (apart from the indigenous people)no a single moslem ,the dominant perhaps the only reglion was christianity ,which is very favourable to bulid a democratic society
    In case of eritrea 60% of the population are moslems, this percentage is getting higher and higher in alarming speed, i donot want to go to the reasons of explosion of the population of islam in eritrea, but one thing is clear christians are leaving the country in masses and moslems are getting maried with 7woment and getting in average 21 children.(as qoran prescribes)
    The fundament of islam is always against democracy, you cannot be a good moslem and a good democrat as the same time, so people like the writer here should work towards the reformation of their religion before dreaming of democratic society in eritrea

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam joseoph,

      መስኪናይ፥ ትሕዝን፥፥

      Al-Arabi

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Joseph,

      Do you have to say that Joseph? Do you know our Eritrean Muslims? They are by far more democratc than yourself and the political culture of intolerance you are living in. Look to yourself before you talk about others. Respect our culture of diversity.

      • joseoph

        Dear Amanuel Hidrat, i understand your thirst for democracy, but imagine what would happen if eritrea would have a constitutional democracy by tomorrow, ?there is no doubt that a party called something like el rabita islamia would win the election and imagine that this ilrabita islamia would win 2/3 of the sits in the eritrean parlament which would pave the way for the proclamation of sharia state of eritrea , which would mean the end of the 3000year history and the end of civilization of eritrea

    • Robel Cali

      Hey Jospeh,

      I don’t agree with your statistic of 60% of the population in Eritrea are Muslims simply because nomadic socities, which many Eritrean Muslim ethnic groups still practice, are hard to count because they don’t have fixed locations. They are often overrepresented in censuses.

      The Pew Research Center states 63% of the population in Eritrea are Christians. This seems to harmonize well with what we seen within ELF reigious demographics. ELF at its height was Christian-majority rebel force, even though its leadership was dominated by Muslims. How is it possible that a Muslim created rebel group would end up with a majority Christian force if Eritrea was truely 50-60% Muslim? Either Muslims we’re not picking up their weight despite the war being fought in their own backyards or they were never 50-60% of the population to begin with. I think the latter is true because Muslims tend to pick up arms quicker than any other religious groups on the planet.

      I’m not worried for the future. Both Islam and Christianity have an expiration date. Within 40-50 years, the majority of Eritreans will be agnostic and by 2100, people will look back in Eritrea and scratch their heads as to how silly we were to divide ourselves based on religion and political borders. Of course by 2100, humans will be a minority and humanoid robots will be the majority who run our world without all the imperfections and baggage humans bring along.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Robel Cali,

        At 2100, many will laugh at your ignorance, narrowmindedness, lack of integrity and scattered mindset. My friend how did you come with 63% at the time you said, “many Eritrean Muslim ethnic groups still practice nomad; it is hard to count because they don’t have fixed locations.” It seems, you are one of those who consider analysis is fantasy. Don’t panic, there many like you.

        Al-Arabi

      • saay7

        Selamat Robel:

        According to Artificial Intelligence (AI) Researchers, humanoids will be made redundant by robots in the next 120 years, with the simplest tasks getting replaced now (driving of 18-wheeler trucks) and the complex (surgeons) in 70 years.

        Here’s a timeline of when the godless robots will be our overlords:) Hopefully they won’t get any ideas of where to get energy sources from The Matrix*

        https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.08807.pdf

        saay

        * of course they will: they will have perfect recall of every movie ever made.

        • blink

          Dear saay
          Would it be constant salary with out work too? I mean most people are lazy in office and AI machines will out perform humans by 1000ds folds. Can it be possible for religious beliefs to stay in place? Even now I question the value of all rules that govern religion, at that time Humans must call for the demolition of all churches , mosques and tombs to be a warehouse of spare parts for AI machines. My question is what can humans do with the endless religious books ??? Recycling and change them to what ?? No need for paper and no need for the ugly verses . I am worried about the possibility of some people being emotionally attached to these books.

          • saay7

            Selam Blink:

            It could be the “sum of all fears” and that’s why Elon Musk said never mind worrying about nuclear weapons, focus on regulating Artificial Intelligence. Usually, entrepreneur class hates all government regulations but when you have one of the smartest techies and futurist ringing the alarm bell, it’s time to pay attention.

            Beyond the nightmare scenario of having robots ordering us around, there is also the real case of jobs disappearing. In San Francisco, they are already testing self-driving 18-wheelers and they are forecasting that in the near future the transportation business will be so self-driving-automated the only opportunity will be in leasing vehicles and not leasing your labor.

            saay

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Joseph,
      Were you typing this with a straight face? Very scientific and rational findings. What a genius.

      • joseoph

        hi salah,
        ,no i was looking to the moon while writting

    • blink

      Dear Joseph
      Why couldn’t you see the best of Ismael article , is commenting under the influence of alcohol allowed again ?? Oh I forgot, it is Friday.

      • joseoph

        hi blink friday is not a holliday in eritrea, and it will never be, better try to settle some where in saudy arabia or afganstan

        • blink

          Dear Joseph
          I admit Saudi is horrible but Friday evening in Eritrea is not like Saudi. All the hard line imams and priests has no power in Eritrea. I think it will be more free to do as you wish as you like with your own lifestyle. Muslims Christians must accept the reality that the time of sheria and church rule is gone for good. Just admit you are hitting the wrong nails.

    • Abraham H.

      Hi joseoph, I guess you’re a frequenter of the tesfazion you tube channel:) Indonesia is almost 90% Moslem, and it is one of the liberal democracies around the world, according to Wikipedia.

      • joseoph

        hi abraham, i didnot know that such channel exists, you made me aware of it,but i have to distance my self from him as he doesnot accept moslems all in all and i advocate only for the reformation of islam

      • blink

        Dear Abraham
        If I am not mistaken Indonesia was or even is one of these countries with blasphemy laws. Indonesia is moving towards crushing its minority rights as of December 2016 , minority rights is being questioned due to the hard line voters push.

  • Selamat Ismael Ibrahim Mukhtar,

    If I recall right, I believe you have once won “article of the month.” I now recognize your second award:
    The Abu Ashera Weapon X Evolution ’17 for Best article of 17.

    As for discussion and or corrections to the ’97ers on the constitution I shall now commence my listings…..

    AmErigitSAtSE A40 A40

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Ismail Ibrahim,

    Well said and well wished. But it needs the character ingrained in the people to fight for those values. Do we have the character that takes us that journey? I will leave the question every one to contemplate on it. Thank you Ismail for the good wishes to our native land.

    Regards

  • Haile S.

    Dear Ismael Ibrahim Mukthar,
    Thank you for the great idea and best wishes for our coutry; we should all applaud. Who could be against all that? However, you couldn’t avoid a minor damper. Images speak a lot and Awate head images are at times controversially very talkative. Nevertheless, in your at least the controversy could be part of the comparison between Canada and Eritrea. The official latest (1965) canadian flag came out at the end of a certain heated controversy. The Eritrean flag you depicted is not yet the official one and awaits a great controversy. Hopefully, it will not take us 100 years like Canada to arrive at a consensus.

    • KBT

      Haile selamat
      You and your kind of course like such system to happen your government is working hard in dividing our people by race and ethnicity even within the tigrigna speaking by region for the downfall off our country and yet you fail and your failed policy is a blowback to your current situation in your own house ,those who digg for other will be their own grave.

      • Haile S.

        Dear KBT,
        Please avoid mass accusation and stick to what has been said.
        Thanks

        • blink

          Dear Haile.Z
          How quickly can you make such points?? You are in records accusing the Tigrinya as a beneficiary of the current situation in Eritrea and now you want to play Mr. Nice. Ziaklen Tihinen si BEALE MARIAM EBLA.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi blink,
            I am not sure if you mean HZ or HS, but still included below is my opinion.
            I converse with people who read what is written and process it and then respond.
            Obviously, you are not one of those people.

          • blink

            Dear Haile
            Stay tuned to yourself and make noise

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam blink,

            As in an echo chamber.

          • Haile S.

            Dear Blink,
            You need to see the optometrist 🙂 You are frequently confusing S and Z. Although we look alike and one is a kind of flip of the other, there is tuvwxy between us.
            Best

          • blink

            dear Haile. S
            Yes that Haile .s and z confused me many times, my apologies sir . You both have nothing in common.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Haile S, I have previously commented on the nature and type of the Eritrean flag. I had the opinion the current flag is not one that has been democratically decided; but recently, after studying the Eritrean and only own produced legal Constitution from 1997, I could see the current flag, at least in terms of its colours, doesn’t deviate much from what the Constitution states:
      Article 4.1: The Eritrean Flag shall have green, red and blue colours with golden olive leaves. The detailed description of the Flag shall be determined by law.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Abraham H.

        In this case, I am afraid it’s the opposite. The flag came first before the constitution. It seems to me, the constitution added the description of the flag to make it official.

        This is another proof that the constitution was made to fit and serve the PFDJ / EPLF party. Why on earth do they need to specify what the flag color should be in a constitution. And they leave out more important details about multi-party democracy, etc.

        Berhe

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Berhe, the constitution making process, or even the formation of a transitional gov formed solely from within the EPLF was far from perfect. The EPLF must have put the historical enmities between it and the remnnats of the ELF mother organization right at the end of the war and the liberation of the whole of Eritrea. It should have showed magnanimity and called for a genuine national reconciliation conference to put a dignified end to the sad history that took place in the Eritrean ‘Meda’. Despite these facts, the organzation had a huge support from large section of our society when it formed the gov and when it initiated and led the processes of referendum as well as the Constitution making. In my opinion, the ’97 Constitution was drafted and ratified in a fairly acceptable manner; beyond this, it could have contributed greatly in the gradual democratization and institution building in our country had it been implemented faithfully.
          “Why on earth do they need to specify what the flag color should be in a constitution”? Because, flag, being one of the national symbols, is included in the constituions as a standard.
          “And they leave out more important details about multi-party democracy, etc.”, no Berhe, they didn’t leave issues regarding multi-party politics:
          Article 19.6: Every citizen shall have the right to form organisations for political, social, economic and cultural ends.
          Article 7.1: It is a fundamental principle of the State of Eritrea to guarantee its citizens broad and active participation in all political, economic, social and cultural life of the country.
          Article 7.7: The State shall create conditions necessary for developing a democratic political culture defined by free and critical thinking, tolerance and national consensus.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Abraham,
            For me the flag, the paper constitution and many other issues became the subject of big controversy because of the absence of genuine national reconciliation. Layers and layers of errors have been accumulating burying further down tiny buds of reconciliation that could have flourished. I agree with you when you said “….. It should have showed magnanimity and called for a genuine national reconciliation conference to put a dignified end to the sad history that took place in the Eritrean ‘Meda’.”

          • blink

            Dear Abraham
            How many of these ELF fighters were supposed to be reconciled with whom , I mean most of them were part of EPLF or in line except few who were after their own vision. The reconciliation thing has nothing to do with the drafting of the constitution thing. Oqubagabir song NEBER MUKAN KIHASIM was more popular than the few characters of these days autonomy sickness. Come on

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Abraham and blink,

            Reconciliation is about society rather beyond being about reconciling a few fighters and their organizations as both of you seem to understand. This is simply too narrow because reconciliation transcends the limits of those fronts. It is about society reflecting on events particular periods episodes in their past had in baggage such as violations, injustices and personal and group damages, and putting them collectively in perspective and pledging to set them aside as part of their history to move on and open new chapters in their existence.

            Put briefly, thus, reconciliation in Eritrea’s post 1942 history is less of political matter and more of social and human burden on the nations conscience. It is reconciliation with history and healing the collateral damages human follies and excesses had caused. I think both of you would agree with me that our past has had abundant stock of those damages starting with the first murder for political expediency, moving through the period of the Andnet Shiftas, and further to outrages the Israeli trained squadrons had committed to the last fighter that fell in internal clashes of the two organizations (and others) you have mentioned.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Abraham certainly understands the need of reconciliation, that it is beyond the reconciliation of political organizations. But Blink who is from the political culture of “Abey-Keybezhu Eyoum” will not understand the need of it. For Blink, might is right and everything to peace and prosperity.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            Yes the Might is right ,who on earth is denying it ? We live by its moral that determined according to what develops us most successfully and those that have been most successful in adapting to the environment ,who on earth is denying this ? Might has been right for centuries . It can have three dimensions like Morally , Amoral and pragmatic way of looking at it. what ever you say , i personally believe Might is right unless there is no way living in theoretically deifned world. I mean some one has to take action and do things unless if we waited for these Mr.perfect the world can not move. Eritrean revolution boat would have stayed in 1952 if might was not around. You are accusing the constitution for the sake of reconciling or may be the grievances thing ,I beleive the boat has sailed by people who took action and we have two choices change it by our sheer determination and force or adapt, the world has to move on.Theoretically speaking, the less mighty might have a more just or morally worthwhile position, that their inability to act properly upon that position means that, for all practical purposes, their position is not the best. Since, furthermore, attempting to fight the mighty will in many circumstances just produce overly negative results, in the end the mighty are right because their position proves to be the best implementable position of all. I would like to sail even if it is to uncharted blue waters. The 1997 documnet is the best way to move the sick country unless drawing new map to make new one with out looking at it will demolish all at once.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Blink,

            Why are fighting against the mighty PFDJ? You have to sail with them “even if it is to uncharted blue waters”. Right blink? So you have to move with the mighty where ever they take the ship to sail. Right blink? Are you saying this in your right mind? I think you are in ambivalent worldview. You love the mighty power but you are fighting the mighty power in our nation. Check out your comment yourself. Don’t rush to answer. Give time to your thoughts to avoid contradictions.

            regards

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            I strongly believe PFDJ are not mighty and they never been for almost 18 years, come on ,PFDJ means one man with out any other , PFDJ lives because we choose not to agree on a national level of rooting him out, I believe the people who are opposing have enough power to dismantle Issaias but we could not do it due to our differences between house A and z. A country where most people dispise their leader could not be influenced by any other reasonable way to be under his rule. We have enough power to sail in the opposition camp even it is uncharted ways , when I say might I categorically disagree Issaias as a might . Isaias rule Eritrea with out any institutional capital of people’s will and any leader that lead with such way can not be called Mighty. Might is right where the power is exercised according an institutional system that can stand an earthquake of political shake up.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Blink,

            Might is relative. Whatever the circumstances surrounding the regime and the oppositions is, the regime is well organized well equipped and well positioned than us and hence a formidable a mighty force in reference to us. There is no excuse to deny that. Do not make argument for the sake of argument. There are many who fight for the person Issayas like you. But Issayas is system with an ideology, with institutions of government, with an army of defense, with governmental security to protect the apparatus of the government, with diplomatic corpse, and source of economic power. So Blink avoid this baseless argument that you are fighting for Issayas alone. Know your enemy to know yourself. Both your argument “I will sail with the mighty” and “I am fighting against Issayas” are fundamentally wrong. You should sail with the freedom ship and you should fight against the system and its apparatus. Again know your to know yourself and know what is right to have meaningful fight.

            Regards

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam blink,

            You said: “We have enough power to sail in the opposition camp even it is uncharted ways …”

            Without the support of the people?

            Neither the PFDJ nor the phantom ‘Opposition’ have the support of the people. But there is one undeniable fact: the majority of Tigrinya speakers distrust the ‘Opposition’ more than they distrust the PFDJ.

            People on this forum chit chat only for therapeutic purposes, nothing more.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Ismael
            I don’t see the reconciliation between the two would influenced the constitution because it would be impossible for the top members of EPLF to allow ELF in the highest position,plus all the current ex ELF wouldn’t have changed much, you know it every single person knows it. The constitution would have allowed for multi party to pop up . The fabric of the Eritrean society has never been able to test the constitution and on top of that there was never a class differences in between them, as all of them were under brutal Ethiopian rule. The main failure of EPLF top brass was the failure to remember the mistakes that both parties done in the 70th and put it to rest by recognizing and using that as a lesson to all Eritreans.

            The most brutal mistakes was not also about that , the mistakes done to history lessons about Eritrea in schools text books and museums was the number one for me , they written off ELF history and that is the one you supposed to pass to us now , instead you wanted a total reshape and it will be very hard to do.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear blink,
            Well, dear, I failed to get the point. I was not trying to write about how ELF and EPLF would influence the constitution. I was trying to express my understanding of what the essence and purpose of reconciliations is.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Blink, to my observation, Isayas Afwerqi was acting in discorse to the official EPLF/later PFDJ line when it came to the issue of multi-party system in Eritrea. The official line was the understanding that post Indepndence Eritrea should allow multi-party democracy; but it seems Isayas was personally against it when he declared “nay wudibat hashewiye aynefiqdn”, and particularly outlawing the Ghedli era ELF splinter organizations. This was very arrogant stance towards an organization which was a formidable force in the field prior to its defeat in early 1980’s. Besides, considering the enormous blood that was spilt during the tragic civil war, it was a necessity to bring that sad chapter in our history into a decent closure. I’m actually not relating reconciliation with the Constitution buildning process, I’m just commenting the need of reconciliation as a good starting process in the journey of Eritrean nation-building.

          • blink

            Dear Abraham
            Yes , you are right and I agree but I thought and still think the debate about constitution was still in play at this article too . The reconciliation process supposed to start even before 1991 , I mean it was easy to do , most ELF members especially these in West were easily accessible and respected for their unwavering vision of a free and independent Eritrea. As a new country doing some mistakes is acceptable if we see the enormous problem one country as Eritrea faced , it was a battlefield for 50 years and I think Issaias manipulated the whole thing of bravery with his demon lies. The constitution and reconciliation thing are way apart , what I am saying is sir , these who are against the constitution would not miss a second to connect it to EPLF while forgetting the good will of many central committee of EPLF who are rotting in prison. These pry are rotting because they saw and wanted to stop the wheel of Issaias on top of all this we are told it was not debated in the Middle East and other who knows their private address. The document may not be perfect but it is a healthy ground to a functional of governance to a country like Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam (young brother) Blink,

            I love your honesty. But your honesty is not judicious. Your honesty is not fair at all. Your honesty can not read how our rainbow are fared. Your honesty on the national project is unbalanced. When I am telling you these, I am only bringing to your attention things you could not see in yourself. Eritreans are fair in many things, but we are not fair on socio-politics and socio-economics. Ask yourself, what could I lose on fair sharing (in politics we call it equitable sharing) with our diversity? I asked that question to myself, and my instinct says nothing. In fact by doing that the bonds of our diversity and our unity will be stronger and our energies will be fully directed in to nation building and economic development.

            Second, the issue of EPLF or PFDJ always comes to our debate and it should be. Because they are the ones who are governing our nation. Good or bad we will talk about them because they are running the government. When we bring the name EPLF, it is not as a front but as a government. ELFites are politically marginalized from national politics, and there is nothing you could accuse them at this particular stage of our politics. None at all, and insane to accuse for marginalized social groups or marginalized political organizations.

            Third, though we condemn the Issayas government for jailing his colleagues for asking a meeting to evaluate the outcome of the border war, it has never been about the marginalized social groups and never been about calling for political inclusion. They are not rotting in prison to defend about the excluded Eritreans to participate in the national politics. It was squarely about the border war and its consequences. We haven’t seen the good will of the central committee on the excluded Eritreans who gave their share to our national project “the Eritrean independence.” What I ask you brother Blink be honesty and fair mind to your fellow Eritreans. Honesty without fairness is not judicious. Dont’t accuse for those who lost everything, including their country.

            Regard
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • KBT

    Selamat Ismail
    When western Barbare people use to hunt and live in cave like animals savage our people used to live in a very organized society with its law ,when your barbaric friend savage used to wear animal skin and lived in the darkness our people already invented a writing system with the archived memory of the past and of the present
    If we survived thousands of years 150 years is a blink of an eye my friend .canadian had worked hard to be Canadian from the beginning,our country it just a news country that most people is working to make it worthy of it martyrdoms .
    For those who love easy life and welfare instead of building their country good luck ,we wish you long life and honestly Eritrea is better off from those kind of peoples ,if your democracy is to bring chaos and divisions into our society and conflict between our dignified people because you want to be free to hurt the feeling of our people,no thank you
    Thank you

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