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Eritrean Refugees in Israel and Reverse Operation Moses

on January 17, 2018, Eritrean and Sudanese asylum seekers and activist staged a mock slave auction outside the Knesset in Jerusalem to protest Israeli plans to deport them back to the country they escaped from or to third countries. While Israel offered Rwanda and Uganda to receive the asylees at $3500 per person, Libyan Militias and ISIS has been auctioning them for $500 each as slaves.

In an interview that was aired Friday night on the Government-owned television, and in reaction to the refugee issues, President Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea disclosed that he asked the Israeli government to pay his government $50,000 per refugee to allow their return to Eritrea. Israel is planning a mass deportation of refugees to a third country if their country of origin refuses to accept them.

Though Isaias contested the number of Eritrean refugees in Israel, their number is estimated to be around 40,000 most of whom entered Israel illegally through the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt.

Isaias admitted to 20,00 refugees only.

The asking price to accept refugees to the country they fled from during the last ten years, based on Isaias Afwerki’s accepted numbers, is one-billion US dollars that Israel would have to pay Isaias so it can ship the refugees back to Eritrea.

In 1984, Israel intelligence operatives transported about 8,000 Ethiopians known as Falashas, or Bete-Israel, an ancient Jew tribe, in an operation code-named “Operation Moses.” A further 1,000 were transported in “Operation Joshua” which was mainly led by the USA. In 1991, Israel further resettled around 14,000 Ethiopian Jews that it airlifted in “Operation Solomon.”

In 1984, Isaias criticized the then Sudanese leader Jaafer AlNumeiri for collaborating in the selling of Ethiopians to Israel, while in 1991 he denounced the ex-Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Hailemariam as a man who sells his people to the same buyers. Rememmebrng that, an insider commented, “Maybe Isaias has planned for a ‘Reverse Operation Moses’ to blackmail Israel to pay him lots of money so that he can ship young Eritrean refugees who escaped his unjust and cruel rule, back to Eritrea.”

Most of the Eritrean refugees are youth who fled their country to avoid the indefinite “national service”, a mandatory conscription that is being enforced in the country since 1995. The national service conscripts are deployed in different mining, construction, and agricultural projects to provide free labor that many Eritreans and human rights activists consider “slave labor.”

While most of the Eritrean refugees escaped through the Sudanese and Ethiopian borders braving a shoot-to-kill order that the border patrols enforce, others were escorted to Sudan on military vehicles if they could afford the price that some Eritrean officers ask

Many of the escapees paid thousands of dollars to be smuggled by human traffickers who safely escort them to both Sudan and Ethiopia.

The smuggling ring is reportedly managed by senior Eritrean officers and their affiliates in collaboration with Sudanese officers who then sold them to the Beduin gangs in Sinai. Some observers suspect the extortion money and the proceeds from human organ harvesting was used to finance ISIS’ operations in the Sinai Peninsula.

Before Israel installed barbed-wire and deployed patrols in its border with Sinai, human traffickers charged between $20,000 to $40,000 to smuggle a person to Israel. Those who did not have relatives who would help pay the amount faced the risk of being taken hostage by the Bedouin smugglers and became victims of organ harvesting.

After the long journey to Israel, the ordeal of many African refugees, most of whom are Eritreans didn’t end because the anti-immigrant policies of Israel exposed them to internment and harassment.

Last year some news outlets reported that Rwanda and Uganda agreed on a deal in which Israel offered to pay them $5,000 per person to receive the refugees. However, in January 5, 2018, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that both Rwanda and Uganda denied “any deal with Israel to host thousands of African migrants.”

Israel has given the refugees three months to accept deportation to third countries or face incarceration.

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  • Hope

    Sorry:
    Intended to mean:
    Blink the Great!

  • blink

    Dear all
    The silence of the many awate doctors about the killing in Ethiopia is amusing , where are you all Drs , you call yourself Drs with so much praise and tend to educate people about justice all over yet your knowledge about Justice to Ethiopians is suddenly non existent, how is that picture processed on your face ? You have been jumping all over about non existent dots just to make you feel like… , where are you Kim, eyob T.kifle , Horizon, Paulos and others old enough to know that people do see your absence ? What happened to your keyboards? Can’t you people write even letters of condolence to the Ethiopians gunned down on day light by snipers from top of buildings ? What is wrong with you people? Are not you able to face your Fears ? Get a grip because the tide is building from every angle and the notion silence will help us just out of possibilities . I have one question
    Is death to one person by Terrorist more open to aljazeera or any kind than one person gunned down by small party organization like the lyu and agazi police different ?
    People are dying in Ethiopia as we speak by bullets yet here this community is Silent. Poor historical judgement.

    • Selam blink,

      If you are talking about the last killings of people on the way to timket celebrations in woldiya, of course, it is to be condemned without reservations. The ethiopian government is known for its hard handedness, because there is no fully functioning democracy, which allows dissent and freedom of speech. It has used excessive force in the past on many occasions, and unfortunately it is not going to be the last.

      • blink

        Dear Horizon
        You are being nice but thanks we have Amde , he is not the person I am accusing of contempt. He has been consistent, the ceremony deaths are old now, don’t you have relatives in Ethiopia what is happening at this hour? When ever something happens in Eritrea, I ring Eritrea first .

  • Selam All,

    Here is a big lesson worth learning from holocaust survivor jews, who unlike the netanyahu government that stands for a pure jewish state, indeed the main reason his far right government is against african refugees, a lesson some eritreans must take home, because they can convince nobody by standing against refugees that are also supposed to be their own people.

    This is not a slave bazaar, but refugees that are going to be deposed off by bribing some african governments, unwanted even by some of their own people, because they are ashamed to see them in their difficult situation. Their problem is not that some eritreans are in a precarious situation, but why they exposed themselves to humiliate the superior class of eritreans.

    The same people know to the very detail how many ethiopians need food aid, how many were killed by woyanes while opposing the undemocratic government, etc, and yet they are completely blind to the plight of their own people, the drowning of hundreds of their own people in the med. Sea, or the organ harvesting they are forced to undergo, etc, as if telling ethiopia’s problems is going to mitigate the plight of the eritrean people. Simply, they forget that this makes both people partners in hardship, nothing more.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/26/israel-holocaust-survivors-african-migrants-netanyahu

    • Josef Says

      Hello Horizon,
      1. I think you should leave Israeli politics to Israeli.
      Israel is democratic society and they put Netanyahu in power.
      Netanyahu has been prime minister off and on since 1996… (that is 22 years in political scene)
      He is not anomaly but consistent reflection of Israeli people’s desire and dreams.
      I know you want to paint him extreme or some… but the fact is majority of Israeli like what is doing..
      And they have been re-electing him since 1996.

      2. Anyway familiar with Israeli history knows that country is like apartheid on how it treats it Palestinian.
      Israeli are one few modern nations who have perfected the ability to systematically remove population by
      intimidation, check-points, terror.. just ask any Palestinian..

      3. Modern Eritrea is unique in that it is one of few countries with large “refugee” or “economic immigrants population” who never return home. Again 800K+ Eritrean population in Sudan since 1968 are the best representation. This is not lost on Israeli political scientist and sociologists.. They are having “economic immigrants” who are going to be living off their social programs and more likely never return home..

      4. If these population stay- I am sure the Israeli will go to plan B and that is systematically make the “Eritrean economic immigrants” uncomfortable… And these people(Israeli) are not joke.. ask any Palestinian. They do their homework… and in 3-4 years we will hear about abuse of Eritreans in Israel.. Awate website.. will be asking how can this happening.. let’s protest.. Prepare for that…

      5. Netanyahu might be testing the water… and again he speaks for majority of Israeli and matter of fact he is one of few politician who consistently in Israeli politics.. And with approval of Israeli majority has been dismantling any resembles of Palestinian-state-hood and indirectly wars in Syria that transformed a stable country in refugee..
      Yeah.. Israeli and its leaders are safe…
      Strange this is only country you want to find refuge…

      6. We went from brave and self-reliant folks to international beggars who will do anything to go to countries who are known for their apartheid systems and systematic removal of local.. where population are treated like second-class so we can what?

      • Selam Yosef

        If you allow me to discuss israeli politics, you said that israel is a democratic country, and yet many characterize it as a racist state, and netanyahu has a soft spot for the far right. Israel is also a militarized country and it implements a sort of an apartheid system.

        I do not know if democracy and racism can go together. If i am not mistaken, you mentioned at the same time that racism in israel is rampant. We know that this racism is not only against africans and palestinians, but among jews themselves (european jews being the most racists), and of course ethiopian jews are the main victims of this inter-jewish racism. Ethiopian jews find it difficult to go to the same school, or live within the jewish society in the same building block, etc..

        I do not think that most of the eritreans that are in israel entered israel with the aim to stay there, because their destination was the west. Israel is simply on the way to the west and it is a safe passage, when compared with the sahara desert. In addition, many eritreans found themselves in the sinai forced by human traffickers. It is obvious that Israel could not be their choice for all the reasons you brought in your comment.

        Here are a group of africans who are forced to flee their country, (you call them “economic immigrants”, while the rest call them refugees), because they are condemned and enslaved to serve in an open end military service, cannot plan for their future, educate themselves, farm the land, do businesses, and cannot live a normal life. Most probably, you and i, or any human being for that matter, could have done the same thing.

        The 800+ eritreans in sudan are not responsible for not returning to their country. From what we have read, it is the wish of the regime in asmara rather than their own choice, that has blocked the way, and their lands are more or less confisticated and given to others. This has been discussed broadly on this site.

        The choices eritrean refugees in israel have are either 1) to be dumped in a third country, 2) spend years (how many, unknown) in prison in the israeli desert, or 3) return back to eritrea, their fate in the best-case scenario being to spend the rest of their life in dungeons, or in a permanent military service. Now, if i may ask, which one of the above scenarios that are available to them can bring back their dignity and make them brave and self-reliant again, which you say that they have lost?

        • Josef Says

          hello Horizon,
          1. You are all over the place. You don’t know if democracy and racism can go together? Are you kidding me? If the majority of people are racist why not? Democracy just means representation is decided by majority vote. One of most racist democratic society was united states at least until mid-20th century..

          2. You are saying that Eritrean are going to Israel to make it to west.. Is the west the only place they can find refuge?

          3. 800,000 eritreans in Sudan.. I am not mentioning that to show that Eritrean refugee don’t return home even right next door.. So, whoever takes them will be getting permanent residents.. and trust me the way things are going in Europe and other places local population are getting resentful and violent toward refugees or immigrants… So, those places you are dying to get to might be that safe…

          4. There is nothing really wrong with them going to other countries.. if all they are seeking is refugee and those places might be a lot safer than Israel.. Change will come to Eritrea.. it is just natural cycle.. so there is no one is going to spend the rest of life in dungeons..
          5. It is strange to me. there is old saying.. go back home… stop this non-sense of making Issias and his entourage God-like.. they are old dogs.. and the majority of population is sick and tired of them..

          6. If we had a real opposition and had our pride we would train those economic immigrant who want to back home or have desire to help 4.1 million.. with some real tactics and technique for sabotage.. of regime..
          7. The only place in the world you should never kneel down is your home.

          • Selam Josef,

            You seem to have a very narrow definition of democracy. It is not a tree without branches, only an election and representation in a parliament, without the implementation of a constitution that stands for the rule of law, human rights, equality and freedom for all citizens despite race, religion, gender, etc. Under your criteria africa countries who carry out election every 4 to 5 years and have a constitution, but no freedom, the rule of law, equality and security for their people, are democratic.

            “Issias and his entourage are old dogs”, may be true to a certain extent, nevertheless, one should be aware of the fact that they are not alone; otherwise they could not have ruled. Beware of the young ambitious ones who are ready to replace them, especially when there is no united and organized opposition that is in a position to alienate the young from the old regime. Here lies the irony of supporting the regime even when they have reached a safe place after passing through the inferno.

            One’s perception and the reality on the ground are not always the same. Standing on the shore and telling a drowning person to be courageous without giving a helping hand, is not really a difficult thing to do. The most difficult thing is to smell the coffee oneself.

            Finally, like the chinese these people could one day be homeward bound. Times do change, countries like eritrea could one day be a democratic and prosperous place. Moreover, the the centre of the world is moving eastwards, with china a rising economic power and the old world getting older.

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Pls the unionists are reading your post and I hope it is better not to tell these guys . When they read Red Sea their head swing all over again.

  • blink

    Dear Thomas
    Why are you always like that ? Don’t be Fredo .Fredo should have known better when people like Ola and Roth talk something fishy . You are not learning about this .

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    If you know and have been involved then you wouldn’t say what you said. Let me just repeat:

    “Plus,do u have any idea as to why the Canadian Gov has made it very difficult for the Eritrean Refugees to be repatriated to Canada ?”.

    The news I provided you said 910 Eritreans repatriated via the G5 private sponsorship. So which one is it ?

    You also said “I was saying that the only Refugees who can afford this Policy are the one,who have families who can afford to wire the $$ for them and those ones,who cannot afford this Route(most of them) will be left behind,hence,a “Discriminatory” Policy or Procedure.”

    This is totally wrong and not the policy of the government. If there is such practice, it’s a fraud and those organization asking money to transfer are doing it illegally. Period.

    Canada does more to refugees than any other country in the western world. As far as government sponsored refugee programs, its first response to people who are referred by the UNHCR. It’s not discriminatory or favouritism but pure finiance and resources.

    So I don’t know what we are arguing about anymore,

    Berhe

  • Josef Says

    Kbrom,
    Basically, you just defined what an economic immigrant is… remember there are many west Africans leaving their countries to die in Mediterranean to get to Europe…

    Eritrean situation is different to West African because we have refugee who made it to Europe, America, etc during the independence war… if no Eritrean refugee went to West during 1980s- trust there would be no new economic immigrants dying to make it to Europe…

    The rest of well off Eritrean population wants to do the same thing.. Make it Europe, America, etc.. it is not just Eritrean but many people in developing worlds wants to go to developed world.

    I know a guy whose family in Asmara was well-off and living comfortable and some of his friends made it to America and were sending him pictures, etc.. .. guess what he was trying to do the same thing.. and this is person who by Eritrean standard be considered part of the elite or upper-upper class… was on trek

    The only difference between Eritrean and other Africans is that Eritrean have “normalized refugee-hood” which not surprising.. Eritrea hasn’t had a normal civil society since 1960s. Eritrean don’t know or not costumed to “Civil Society” norms…

    This is main reason that Eritrea has become a large exporter of economic immigrants so-called “refugee”. if you frame your mind and conversation around- Either eritrea or America… and Eritrea is stagnate and you have friends who made it to America.. you will do anything you can to make it to America..
    Is that a refugee? No. It is an economic immigrant..

    • Thomas

      HI Josef,

      How do you define the situation in Eritrea? I mean the endless national service and the lawlessness that once you go to jail you could end up dying there. That there is no court system or no lawyer you could hire to represent yourself lawful manner. Do you see life for the people whom you like to call economic migrants to come back and do their normal life. Forget poverty, can these people have the right to live with their own family without being a military for life? Can you mention a country in Africa which mandates her people (youth) to go on with indefinite national services/slavery? Isn’t this the reason that is forcing these people to flee their nation? How is this an economic reason?

      • Josef Says

        Thomas,
        Does that make them refugees? It is an oppressive government.. there have been oppressive government in africa… it growing pain.. Post independence alot of african countries had dysfunctional governments and eventually some have sorted that out.. Obviously the Eritrean who got their independence very late didn’t learn anything from other countries…
        And they are still not learning anything from other countries..

        The ones that are immigrating are usually ones of means and resource.. majority of Eritrean are not leaving.. those with some money and capital are leaving..
        That is usually an indication of economic immigrants… We wouldn’t have this is conversation if there weren’t Eritrean in Western countries who playing…

        If they are refugee- then they wouldn’t have any issue going to other african countries to find refuge. No one is oppressing them in Uganda… Only economic immigrants would die to get to Europe or Israel, etc..

        People involved in the “Refugee hustling” are only playing a role in demise of Eritrea as country- helping a dyfunctional regime, living off the social programs of other countries, “Gypsization” of Eritrean people…
        Let the 35K in Israel return to Eritrea and let the diaspora community put a united message and you will see the government crumble… the dinosaurs are dying…

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    Obviously you have no idea what you are taking about, and how the G5 (Group of 5 sponsorship) and other Canadian Immigration policy work.

    As to Isreal / Canada and Eritrean refugees, I don’t know how old is the information you have. Here is the article I was talking and here is statement from Immigration spokesperson with regards to Canadian government policy.

    According to Nancy Chan, spokesperson for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, “Between January and November 2016, 910 Eritrean refugees were resettled to Canada from Israel. Almost all fall under the private sponsorship of refugees program.

    https://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/jias-facilitating-immigration-eritrea-refugees-via-israel

    “Canada has a multi-year refugee commitment underway to welcome 4,000 government-assisted Eritrean refugees in Sudan and Ethiopia by the end of 2018. We are not anticipating bringing any government-assisted refugees based in Israel to Canada in 2017. However, if the UNHCR identifies any urgent cases in need of resettlement, Canada may consider those requests.”

    Translation for you:

    Canada doesn’t care what Isreal government says or does, but it listens to the office of the UNHCR and it’s recommendations.

    As per Canada policy, Canadian government is making a commitment to resettle 4000 Eritrean refugees in Sudan and Ethiopia. That means, the government looks after the refugees when they arrive in Canada. Right now there is no plan to bring Eritrean refugees from Isreal under that program. But they are willing review their policy if there is a recommendation by UNHCR.

    It’s a long topic but I urge to google “How does Canada refugee system works?” and you will find the answers. Here is a brief explanation:

    Private sponsorship (G5):

    There is no limit in how many Eritrean refugees are sponsored privately. If refugee have 5 people who are willing to sponsor him / her and show that they have the means (it does not require to own a home by the way), if they employed is all that’s needed.

    Other sponsorship is by it’s called Agreement Holders such as Churches, Organization that are recognized by the government to sponsor refugees. Those organizations (like the Catholic church for example) do sponsorship (at least the one in Toronto) if the person requesting sponsorship in Canada, is willing to put a deposit (the minimum amount of money needed to settle in Canada for 1 year). And if I am not mistaken that money is returned back to the sponsor after the year is passed. The person who works for the Catholic church explained to me that, they do that because they do not want to take responsibility of settling a person if the person (sponsor) for what ever reason is not able to assist him settle in the country.

    The Canadian government DO NOT need or they do not require money from Eritrean refugees in abroad.

    I think you are thinking about your mafia government called the PFDJ.

    Ghezae/ Yohannes:

    Just a thought a after I read this article again..what’s the position of the UNHCR in Israel in terms of the Eritrean refugees there, specifically with the planned deportation?

    Berhe

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Tell me the one and only reason that Ruwanda is bad for Eritreans apart from economic reasons? You will never find any other reason, right? So these guys actually go to Ruwanda and live life with out humiliation and threats, why is Yohannes crying like a baby because they have to go to Ruwanda? This is really a fantasy world he is in , Ruwanda is growing economy and these who can save up to 10 grand can make their life far better in Ruwanda than in the racist place they are in. Why is this cry all about? I admit some people may be in Israel with out their choice to be there but most people saw it as a place to be and get life but hi time has changed and they have to adjust to reality or get thrown in to jail in Israel. I think I believe these people has to choose the better way . Yohannes and his friends wanted what ? What exactly are they saying? Ruwanda is poor and what ? Hypocrisy at its grand opening

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Dear Blink,
      There were a few who were returned to Rwanda, voluntarily. Rwanda doesn’t give them any kind of residence permit nor a chance to register as refugees/asylum seekers. In effect, once they pass the airport security, they become illegal. They had to either move to Uganda to register as refugee, go to South Sudan to work and save some money or cross the Sahara. In each case, they had to cross a border illegally. If Rwanda is accepting them it would be wise to ask under what conditions, i.e. in terms of legal permission to stay in the country.

      • Josef Says

        Abrhet,
        I don’t know if that is case.. I was in rwanda and I saw some them chilling at capital and trying to figure out how to make it America or Europe.. Anything is possible…
        And if that is case, send to Uganda… it is obvious these are not refugee but economic immigrant if they braving the Sahara to make it to Europe..
        Good luck to them and good grief..

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Josef Says,
          Your main objective seems to get them labeled as “economic migrants”. You have powerful governments doing that for you. Don’t sweat.

    • Thomas

      Hi Blink,

      Leaving in some African countries is like living in the hands of the mafias regime. You must renew your passport (Eritrean passport you can imagine this) by dealing with Eritrean embassies there or you will have to live and work illegal. The Eritrean passport is your ID. I thought you know this things.

      • blink

        Dear Thomas
        Ruwanda , Uganda and other places where ever it is far better than Israel but you will not admit that these people are just sniffing Benjamin, there is no way you put chain in order to look for greener places around the globe. These guys with big belt could have thought their idea is reducing the price of their views. Why such act ? Israel is a state that has it’s interest apart from the right wing racist government. These Eritreans or Ethiopians could have thought more. Issaias can trade them at any time if he wanted, actually he can trade you from where ever in America too. There are many Eritreans in USA ready to be deported, do you forget that ? It takes one signature to return these guys back to America, do not forget you are dealing with Trump world. Israel is prosecuting 10 million palistinians , so what is the problem with 30, 000 Stateless people. They can actually put them in Gash barka with in hour using their military planes back to Eritrea, what they wanted is signed papers. Don’t Forget we are talking about Israel not Canadian government.

  • Kbrom

    Dear All,
    In case you always wonder why North Korean’s are angry and asking the world to stop calling Eritrea the North Korea of Africa because NK feels insulted, here is one example:

    ‘Female hockey players from the rival Koreas were paired up with each other Thursday to form their first-ever Olympic squad during next month’s Pyeongchang Winter Games, as their countries press ahead with rare reconciliation steps following a period of nuclear tensions.

    …. and compare this with the ‘African NK’ (again our apology o the original NK) which refuses to reconcile with dead people and refuses to allow them to be buried in the country that they fought for for decades.

    • Selamat Kbrom,

      BoU gierka TTifaE.

      tSAtSE

      • blink

        Dear Tsatse
        Let’s see what Fredo can say about the contacts he has , let him swim . Fredo prayed while fishing with second man only to find himself drawn . Fredo oh many Frodo’s.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi tSAtSE,

        kemey keniKa..entay dAe Haqi do meriruka…. tegagyu diyu?

        Ayfal…

        Berhe

        • Ya Akhuna “Big Tuna, KaHuna”s with Jalapeno Merrerro full Madames ….. … Ente zbehal negerr yellenn wala keytebahle, sle tebahle… Don Cheadle in RAWANDA.
          Entayy adeyy Itayy Twuiwayy Berhe_Y? Why Way zekhied aloka,
          Beta fetene FeTTene SelTTene khidd, I kid you not.
          MeAss n NK ilomm nsomm
          Ayy kabb Akhu Umi, Uma Umdurmann do aykonenn Akoyy tSilimai Khali or
          KaliEEida aloka
          Nayy Plato The Apology
          Otherwise baElu weyy kiTTefiE weyy kuelaE Socrates kburr Kbrom Abb medrekh gmbarr nmelkett.
          WedeHanka.. woHamdanka.

          GuE Lemin GuE Berbere.

          So, you have a bid of 500 Euro on mezgebb qalatt, I hear. Merrir netSitSE nayy ShaEbianna
          tSAtSE. TaErrifa. Who said riffa? Herbs. The Apology

          AmEritrean GitSAtSE Azzilo40 Agniyeya40 Acres and a Mule

    • Haile S.

      Selam Kbrom,
      In amharic this is called ቂም እስከ መቃብር።

      • Kbrom

        Selam Haile,
        True, they also compensate it by saying ፍቅር እስከ መቃብር!
        Our people say መባእስትኻ ለባም ይግበረልካ።

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Kbrom,

      I think I am going to make this “my resolution of 2018” and I will be asking anyone that I can find.

      You seem to know some of the inter working of the PFDJ government.

      So let me ask you this, so far my question has been totally ignored or that I am so naive and I have no idea what I am getting my self into. Just save me time to type here is what I wrote to Hope and I thought I just paste it here.

      I asked this before and I will ask you again, about the secret party. Have you had any information about this secret party (we know it existed) but how were people recruited to this party and what’s the obligation/ responsibility that come with it. For example, did their swear oath of secrecy, did the party comes first before family, people and country, I think the way Isayas behaves and acts is, zHaze Hizu…… Could the secret party is organized like the Mafia organization, where boss have the utmost power and all those below him are to obey without question…

      Here is an example, that I read with regards to Akria school demonstration.

      He gathered his security, military and police and asked them in the meeting, how did you let his happen. They have almost got inside the president office, how is that possible that no body stopped them and looked at the police for answer.

      The police said, it’s not our fault because we don’t have cars/trucks to transport our police. The next day ordered brand new trucks.

      People in Asmara now call them….Akria.

      My point is, it’s not only him but there is some sort of secret party who will do anything to protect the system…..

      And I think, unless we figure out what that secret party is..then we will keep guessing…

      Berhe

      • Kbrom

        Dear Berhe,

        First thing first. As I have never been a Tegadalay, i am not an insider when it comes to the PFDJ or government structure. However, I was hafash wdbat for my life time, and am very close to very top officials, some of them were under my wahyo.

        Re: secret party, yes it was like secret network, they had to swear oath of secrecy, in fact it is said some senior military leaders were ‘executed’ because they leaked the secret of the party. The organisational structure was complex, for example in our area, the head of the EPLF office would be some one who was not a member of the party (does not even knew that there was a party) but the deputy would be a member with more power and information, that you can not see in the formal structure.

        Re: sort of secret party? I would say it is only PIA, others are the hostages of their weakness or fear. PIA and a handful people are those who run the show in todays Eritrea. General Sebhat did not know that there was a war with Djibouti until his juniors informed him.

        • blink

          Dear kibrom
          Do you have news about the Egyptian warehouse in sawa ? I mean who could possibly forget that ? Come on man EPLF was the grand opening of Eritreans unity, tightly held together without any religious zealots , others were looking for foreign views like baas generals advice. EPLF crushed the African super power based on tight information that Ethiopians and coward Eritreans could not penetrate, that was the engine of EPLF. You see Issaias was one man and you can’t really blame EPLF for the current dictatorship unless you wanted to play a black card held deep under by simple cancellation of the other greats of EPLF. When I read people blaming EPLF I see the brithers crazy people of Shan hannetiy audiences. Many Fredos.

          • Kbrom

            Dear blink,

            Yes, I have. There are no Egyptians, were no Egyptians in Sawa. What happened is this.

            Egyptians are so frustrated with the Sudan, as for the first time since the 1929 colonial treaty between Egypt and the U.K. (on behalf of its colony of Sudan) and a subsequent one in 1959, Sudan sided against Egypt. Furious with Sudanese stance the Egyptians wanted to punish Sudan and picked the rebels in Darfur and Eastern Sudan. Here came the role of PIA who masters mobilising and arming neighbour countries rebel groups. What happened in Sawa is the landing of two military armament cargos of C130 on 28 and 30 of December with few intelligence officers to meet with rebel groups and having the corridor to the East Sudan rebel groups.

            Sudan first opted to send a delegation led bay vice president to which PIA refused to receive. PIA put condition and opted to see only one member of the delegation which he did and resulted in internal division and confrontation between the delegation.

            Thwarted by PIA’s action General Omar B. (emotional by nature to his Jaalie origin) made a decree to close all borders and sanction the illegal trade that he allowed for long time. The rest is history.

            Re: EPLF was the grand opening of Eritreans unity. I totally agree. No one has worked for Eritrean unity than the EPLF in the entire history of the Eritrean people. That was the result of dying together in a small ditch for one sacred objective. Mohamed and Gebrebrhan , Halima and selamawit passed away without one asking the other where is he from. Unlike nowdays, that time the answer for abey iyu adka was Eritrea not Tselot, hawashayt, Segeneyti, Engerne etc.

            P.S EPLF is a product of the people and remember that it was the people that made EPLF and not the other way. Do you know that it was Eritrean women who united Asmera and the name Asmera came from ስምረት ኣስመርቲ፥ do you know that it was the Eritrean women who went to the house of Aboy Weldeab and Sheik Ibrahim Sultan and convinced them to ብሓባር ደርሆ ሓሪዶም ክበልዑ so the Eritrean people will get the message of unity, it was not aboy weldeabs idea nor shek ibrahims idea, do you remember it was the people who went to Zager and pressured the ELF and EPLF to stop the civil war. The reason I am dwelling on history is because I sensed from your writing that you are assuming EPLF as a self miraculous creature with no regard and respect to the people of Eritrea at large.

          • blink

            Dear kibrom
            Far from it , C130 military airlifter with 40m wing wide is the choice??? Think about this sir but it looks like the Kenya news bad for you , I really couldn’t be much confused to see C130 is the ideal secret mission for any secret military movement of officers . How dumb are the Egyptians in your head ? Don’t you understand C130 is not a secret mission airplane. Don’t you know sawa is completely changed ? The lies manufacturers will always get new big lies and I hope you know that.The Kenyans news item at one time was a plane flying from Eritrea to Somalia and the brand new news from you about C130 is mind boggling sir .

            EPLF, well nothing to add , we agreed it was the uniting factor and it’s secret was the main ingredient for every thing. I really don’t want to go on repeating myself.

          • Kbrom

            Dear blink,

            I did not get what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say Egyptian would not use C130 because it is big and the movement was secret.

            1) No one said the movement was secret
            2) Even if it was, when you talk about secret space movement, it is not about how big or small the aircraft is, that doe not make any difference blink, both of them are spotted in a same way in the radar, same radio wave, same space movement, same display in the electro magnetic spectrum. The secret was the mission, the unholy alliance and its international and regional consequences. more over by nature any military movement is secret so it contains element of surprise. Military strategists call it Surprise attack where an army strikes its enemy at a time, at a place, or in a manner for which the other side is unprepared. Weyane used the element of surprise in its third offensive when he attacked Eritrea from un expected area and time.
            So the Egyptian C130 was not spotted because it was big. Your absurd argument reminded me ኪሎ ጡጥ ዶ ይኸብድ ኪሎ ወርቂ kinda of ignorance that we used to laugh at when we were kids.
            3) You said ‘Don’t you know sawa is completely changed ? What were you trying to say in here?
            4) You mentioned the kenya story about C130. I believe you are talking about the fake news that was allegedly made against Eritrea. The stupidity of the fake news was its failure to proof how come planes fly from Eritrea to Somalia undetected in the spaces of Djibouti and Kenya; it was not about C130 are big and could not be hidden.
            5) If you do not have the knowledge and information to talk about something please learn to keep quite, do not say things for the sake of saying.

            “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
            ― Martin Luther King Jr.

          • blink

            Dear Kibrom
            I hardly wanted to learn from you sir. There is nothing to learn from your C130 . You just can’t accept that there was no Egyptian military what so ever in sawa , so you wanted to sale by claiming this and that. Forget it sir , you are just telling the Kenya story, the African Union thing and so many like that. This thing you are trying to make real is fake. FAKE.

          • Kbrom

            Dear blink,

            To borrow Voltaire’s quote : “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Blink, my problem with what you are saying is not because you are saying the news is fake; you can absolutely have that opinion. My problem with your argument is the ‘logic’ that you are trying to support with your argument. It is preposterous to say the news is not true because ‘C130s are big’. If you do not have the IQ and the datas, you can simply say it is not true because my gut feeling is telling me that it is not true. As I said before, is absolutely your right to say what ever comments you have, what is hard to tolerate is when you continue to utter absurd points that makes you a laughing stoke.

            I would love to be engaged in more meaningful discussion rather than this one which looks like indulging in to useless level.

            I hope to hear you one day saying ‘ I learned this’; do not be stubborn and accept your mistake and learn from it when you are being told clearly where you failed.

          • blink

            Dear kibrom
            You can do nothing about what i say , i say it because i do not own it from any one, do not you get that. The reason i bring the size is that sir , i know sawa like my own pocket , i know the airport i know someone who work until now there with any flight going to sawa. I think you have no idea about sawa and you are putting your intelligent and high IQ thing to dust. There is no way that someone can learn from your false and baseless tube. There was no C130 what so ever despite this you have the right to go on make lies.

          • Kbrom

            Selam blink

            Every time I challenge you, you are moving around like a wounded hyena. You ‘know Sawa like your pocket’ good on you, but that does not qualify you to talk ሃበስ ቀደስ። The problem with people like you is that they think they can say what so ever without bothering to support it with source or evidence or logic. You are telling me ‘The sudanse govt already changed its orginal news’. No sir, not true, just two days ago the president of Sudan ordered the border closure to be extended to Qarora and is implemented. The governor of Kassala tried to soften the closure but was told by the federal government National security is not your business, hands off.

            I hope you also know Qarora ‘like your pocket’, I hope also, your pocket is not empty like your brain.

          • blink

            Dear Kbrom
            Source evidence , what ? it was you who said there are egyptian military in sawa , with no evidence to support except the Aljazeera the leader of fake news , look grey man , i have never ever saw a wounded hayna infact i never saw a hyna except on BBC earth or Animal planet program , I can certainly see you wink , You are the least to bother about evidence because you have none of it. You are just making lies after lies .About Qarora, well we do not need to go there because you can not even clear this sawa and C130 thing. I wonder how your lies go through your high IQ . Your lies will not serve you good .

          • King Ezana

            Selam blink, this guy sounds acknowledgble and when it comes to proof and substances, he is well short. I was a little taken aback when he asked you about evidence and sources. He is trying hard to make hearsay in two something. Bad move.

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            You like you man, “I hope also, your pocket is not empty like your brain.” hahahaha

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas “You like you man” dumb. lol

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You are smart to know the meaning of dumb, alright? You cannot use the word dumb to mean unintelligent. Dumb means unable to speak; lacking power of speech. Your street language is not helping you, stupid!!

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Thomas
            It’s like watching yourself in the mirror
            And said I like you man ,your pocket is not empty like your brain
            make me laugh trolll Hope didn’t offended you

          • Hope

            Selam Kibrom:
            Welcome back!
            -Where do u live and how do get your ” Latest Breaking News”,if I may ask?

            -U put urself into a radar of scrutiny by breaking to us fake news about the Egyptian Presence in Sawa.

            -Now u came up with a modified Breaking News about the C-130s loaded with weapons heading to the E Sudsn snd Darfur,.wihich we will see how true it is.

            What they were they’ve loaded with and where they came from(any evidence about the origin/source –from Cairo or Asmera?)

            -How did U find out exactly about the fight among the delegation members in PIA’s Office?
            Remote acccess and control system or the Sudanese disclosed it?

            -Did PIA expect about the Eri-Border closure and its collateral damages?
            -Can u give PIA and his analysis a benefit of doubt ?

            -Why R U taking the TPLF role out of picture and the Ethio-Sudanese Security and Defense Agreement?

            -Don’t u believe that Eritrea has a legitimate right to respond in any form to that threat?

            -Being an X-Hafash Widubat would not make u privileged to have a special access to that top security issues.?
            R U the same Hayat Adem or her usual ref point/source of all these top secrets?

            Just curious .

            Plus,practice what U preach.

            When blink challenges u ,challenge him back or answer his questions,don’t call him with names

            A certain King Ezana,an Ethiopian observer caught u well !

          • Kbrom

            Hello Hope,

            Thank you for the welcome message.

            Re: Where do u live,
            – Why are you obsessed with the person behind an idea, instead of talking about ideas. I would not care whether you call yourself Hope or Frustration, what I would discuss and learn from is the idea, opinions and discourse you share and air. As ዓድና would say ኣብ ዝደለኺ ጠሓንዮ እቲ ሓርጭ ጥራይ ኣምጽእዮ!

            Re: How did U find out exactly about the fight among the delegation members in PIA’s Office
            – Do you really expect me to tell you how. Your lack of sophistication and appalling naivety is noted.

            Re: Did PIA expect about the Eri-Border closure and its collateral damages?
            – Yes he did, in fact the Sudanese delegation that went to Asmara was meant to arrange a state visit by Gen. Omar Albashir to Asmara, however, PIA said Gen. Omar is not welcomed to Asmara as he has betrayed him.

            Re: Can u give PIA and his analysis a benefit of doubt?
            – if we had a constitutional country, such a national sovereign issues would have been decided by parliament and hence the people would be informed and would have had a voice on their countries destiny. This is not about how PIA ‘analysed’ it. We are not talking about a research thesis, we are talking about the destiny and safety of a country and its people that has come into being with great sacrifice . Do not accept the abnormal situation of the rule of one man as an accepted new-norm and frame your question with in that wrong premises. (“The greatest weapon in the hand of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.”― Steve Biko. ) Cant you think about a constitutional system where state affairs are governed by legislative, executive and judiciary bodies. if we had a free media (the fourth pillar) you would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.

            Re: Why R U taking the TPLF role out of picture and the Ethio-Sudanese Security and Defense Agreement?
            – That is your assumption. I did not talk about it because I was talking about one event. The greater picture is, if you like, the confrontation between Egypt and Ethiopia, as a result of Ethiopia’s unilateral decision to abrogate the 1929 and 1956 colonial treaty to build the Grand Ethiopian Dam, its impact on the national sovereignty of the stakeholders and water-politics. That is not unprecedented situation in our world with about 263 Trans-boundary rivers and lakes. Please remember that history has shown that Trans-boundary rivers have been the catalyst for conflicts and treaties since ancient time. The water treaty that was reached between two villages on the Tigris river in 2500 B.C is one example. What matters in here is that how should Eritrea secure its political, socio economic interest in such a new development.

            Re: Don’t u believe that Eritrea has a legitimate right to respond in any form to that threat?
            Yes, to real threat (not perceived one) based on a wisely calculated strategy that involves the people and government institutions, not a decision that is made by one person for one person, as if the country and its sovereign matters are his back yard garden.

            Re: R U the same Hayat Adem
            You asked who I am, but you did not have the patience to wait for few minutes to get my reply. Do not ask if you know the answer, and do not answer if you ask the question. More importantly, be less curious about people and more curious about ideas.

            ሰሰናዩ ምሳኻ ይኹን

          • Kbrom

            Hello Hope,

            Thank you for the welcome message.

            Re: Where do u live,
            – Why are you obsessed with the person behind an idea, instead of talking about ideas. I would not care whether you call yourself Hope or Frustration, what I would discuss and learn from is the idea, opinions and discourse you share and air. As ዓድና would say ኣብ ዝደለኺ ጠሓንዮ እቲ ሓርጭ ጥራይ ኣምጽእዮ!

            Re: How did U find out exactly about the fight among the delegation members in PIA’s Office
            – Do you really expect me to tell you how. Your lack of sophistication and appalling naivety is noted.

            Re: Did PIA expect about the Eri-Border closure and its collateral damages?
            – Yes he did, in fact the Sudanese delegation that went to Asmara was meant to arrange a state visit by Gen. Omar Albashir to Asmara, however, PIA said Gen. Omar is not welcomed to Asmara as he has betrayed him.

            Re: Can u give PIA and his analysis a benefit of doubt?
            – if we had a constitutional country, such a national sovereign issues would have been decided by parliament and hence the people would be informed and would have had a voice on their countries destiny. This is not about how PIA ‘analysed’ it. We are not talking about a research thesis, we are talking about the destiny and safety of a country and its people that has come into being with great sacrifice . Do not accept the abnormal situation of the rule of one man as an accepted new-norm and frame your question with in that wrong premises. (“The greatest weapon in the hand of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.”― Steve Biko. ) Cant you think about a constitutional system where state affairs are governed by legislative, executive and judiciary bodies. if we had a free media (the fourth pillar) you would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.

            Re: Why R U taking the TPLF role out of picture and the Ethio-Sudanese Security and Defense Agreement?
            – That is your assumption. I did not talk about it because I was talking about one event. The greater picture is, if you like, the confrontation between Egypt and Ethiopia, as a result of Ethiopia’s unilateral decision to abrogate the 1929 and 1956 colonial treaty to build the Grand Ethiopian Dam, its impact on the national sovereignty of the stakeholders and water-politics. That is not unprecedented situation in our world with about 263 Trans-boundary rivers and lakes. Please remember that history has shown that Trans-boundary rivers have been the catalyst for conflicts and treaties since ancient time. The water treaty that was reached between two villages on the Tigris river in 2500 B.C is one example. What matters in here is that how should Eritrea secure its political, socio economic interest in such a new development.

            Re: Don’t u believe that Eritrea has a legitimate right to respond in any form to that threat?
            Yes, to real threat (not perceived one) based on a wisely calculated strategy that involves the people and government institutions, not a decision that is made by one person for one person, as if the country and its sovereign matters are his back yard garden.

            Re: R U the same Hayat Adem
            You asked who I am, but you did not have the patience to wait for few minutes to get my reply. Do not ask if you know the answer, and do not answer if you ask the question. More importantly, be less curious about people and more curious about ideas.

            ሰሰናዩ ምሳኻ ይኹን

          • Kibrom

            Hello Hope,
            Thank you for the welcome message.
            Re: Where do u live,
            – Why are you obsessed with the person behind an idea, instead of talking about ideas. I would not care whether you call yourself Hope or Frustration, what I would discuss and learn from is the idea, opinions and discourse you share and air.
            Re: How did U find out exactly about the fight among the delegation members in PIA’s Office
            – Do you really expect me to tell you how. Your lack of sophistication and appalling naivety is noted.
            Re: Did PIA expect about the Eri-Border closure and its collateral damages?
            – Yes he did, in fact the Sudanese delegation that went to Asmara was meant to arrange a state visit by Gen. Omar Albashir to Asmara, however, PIA said Gen. Omar is not welcomed to Asmara as he has betrayed him.
            Re: Can u give PIA and his analysis a benefit of doubt?
            – if we had a constitutional country, such a national sovereign issues would have been decided by parliament and hence the people would be informed and would have had a voice on their countries destiny. This is not about how PIA ‘analysed’ it. We are not talking about a research thesis, we are talking about the destiny and safety of a country and its people that has come into being with great sacrifice . Do not accept the abnormal situation of the rule of one man as an accepted new-norm and frame your question with in that wrong premises. (“The greatest weapon in the hand of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.”― Steve Biko. ) Cant you think about a constitutional system where state affairs are governed by legislative, executive and judiciary bodies. if we had a free media (the fourth pillar) you would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.
            Re: Why R U taking the TPLF role out of picture and the Ethio-Sudanese Security and Defense Agreement?
            – That is your assumption. I did not talk about it because I was talking about one event. The greater picture is, if you like, the confrontation between Egypt and Ethiopia, as a result of Ethiopia’s unilateral decision to abrogate the 1929 and 1956 colonial treaty to build the Grand Ethiopian Dam, its impact on the national sovereignty of the stakeholders and water-politics. That is not unprecedented situation in our world with about 263 Trans-boundary rivers and lakes. Please remember that history has shown that Trans-boundary rivers have been the catalyst for conflicts and treaties since ancient time. The water treaty that was reached between two villages on the Tigris river in 2500 B.C is one example. What matters in here is that how should Eritrea secure its political, socio economic interest in such a new development.
            Re: Don’t u believe that Eritrea has a legitimate right to respond in any form to that threat?
            Yes, to real threat (not perceived one) based on a wisely calculated strategy that involves the people and government institutions, not a decision that is made by one person for one person, as if the country and its sovereign matters are his back yard garden.
            Re: R U the same Hayat Adem
            You asked who I am, but you did not have the patience to wait for few minutes to get my reply. Do not ask if you know the answer, and do not answer if you ask the question. More importantly, be less curious about people and more curious about ideas.
            ሰሰናዩ ምሳኻ ይኹን

          • Kibrom

            Hello Hope,
            Thank you for the welcome message.

            Re: Where do u live,
            – Why are you obsessed with the person behind an idea, instead of talking about ideas. I would not care whether you call yourself Hope or Frustration, what I would discuss and learn from is the idea, opinions and discourse you share and air.

            Re: How did U find out exactly about the fight among the delegation members in PIA’s Office
            – Do you really expect me to tell you how. Your lack of sophistication and appalling naivety is noted.

            Re: Did PIA expect about the Eri-Border closure and its collateral damages?
            – Yes he did, in fact the Sudanese delegation that went to Asmara was meant to arrange a state visit by Gen. Omar Albashir to Asmara, however, PIA said Gen. Omar is not welcomed to Asmara as ‘he has betrayed him’.

            Re: Can u give PIA and his analysis a benefit of doubt?
            – if we had a constitutional country, such a national sovereign issues would have been decided by parliament and hence the people would be informed and would have had a voice on their countries destiny. This is not about how PIA ‘analysed’ it. We are not talking about a research thesis, we are talking about the destiny and safety of a country and its people that has come into being with great sacrifice . Do not accept the abnormal situation of the rule of one man as an accepted new-norm and frame your question with in that wrong premises. (“The greatest weapon in the hand of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.”― Steve Biko. ) Cant you think about a constitutional system where state affairs are governed by legislative, executive and judiciary bodies. if we had a free media (the fourth pillar) you would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.

            Re: Why R U taking the TPLF role out of picture and the Ethio-Sudanese Security and Defense Agreement?
            – That is your assumption. I did not talk about it because I was talking about one event. The greater picture is, if you like, the confrontation between Egypt and Ethiopia, as a result of Ethiopia’s unilateral decision to abrogate the 1929 and 1956 colonial treaty to build the Grand Ethiopian Dam, its impact on the national sovereignty of the stakeholders and water-politics. That is not unprecedented situation in our world with about 263 Trans-boundary rivers and lakes. Please remember that history has shown that Trans-boundary rivers have been the catalyst for conflicts and treaties since ancient time. The water treaty that was reached between two villages on the Tigris river in 2500 B.C is one example. What matters in here is that how should Eritrea secure its political, socio economic interest in such a new development. My concern is that Eritrea will be used as a ‘use and throw’ item by the external factors and be the loser in this game.

            Re: Don’t u believe that Eritrea has a legitimate right to respond in any form to that threat?
            Yes, to real threat (not perceived one) based on a wisely calculated strategy that involves the people and government institutions, not a decision that is made by one person for one person, as if the country and its sovereign matters are his back yard garden.

            Re: R U the same Hayat Adem
            You asked who I am, but you did not have the patience to wait for few minutes to get my reply. Do not ask if you know the answer, and do not answer if you ask the question. More importantly, be less curious about people and more curious about ideas.

            ሰሰናዩ ምሳኻ ይኹን

          • Natom Habom

            Selam blink
            C130 remind me to the Somalia Eritrea monitoring group case when they got their facts
            From such peoples in Ethiopia and from the living God of lies woyane
            The crime they committed against our peoples have no limits .
            Please blink don’t waist time talking about dignified Eritrean with peoples
            They are trolls send by the criminal woyane to create distrust amongst fellow Eritrean citizens and to destabilize Eritrea .
            Our internal problems will be solve among brothers one day no need for a third party her
            Eritrea forever

        • Selamat Berhe Y,

          More BS. As in first degree. Meritocracy was the order of the day and on many occasions ..ahhhh. Bejakhumski bHade idkum Tray anchebchibu. Ewe ykaAl iyyu. Snap yo fingers.

          Let go of ma TTesmiAtSAbeiEty BART or SubWaySiEli.

          What is “pull my finger?” A..F.ART.
          “Kiss my Black ArtZ!”

          tSAtSE

        • Hope

          Welcome back Kibrom!

          Your last statement made me laugh like crazy and that is exactly the Modus Operandi of PIA’ s Security Apparatus.

          He deals directly with the juniors without the knowledge of the ” Seniors”!

          The same Gen Sibhat Efrem was at loss when a certain Junior Colonel rocked and confused the entire Asmera city when he started rounding up every one in the darkness with his Brigade from no where and out of blue.

          The same with when DEMHIT did the same thing and all the Top Generals and the fake Ministrs were at loss as they had no clue why and what the DEMHIT was doing!
          That is the Eritrea of PIA and his few Cronies.
          I personally witnessed when I found out that a certain Junior PFDJ Cadre from Washington ,DC was directly reporting to and dealing with PIA by bypassing the
          “Ambassador”.

    • Josef Says

      kbrom,
      I think the N. Korean are insulted because comparing them to Eritrea and its government is like comparing Einstein to high-school physics student. I think world view of North Korea is slightly bias by American media..
      North Korea has 40+ research institutes..and 300+ universities and is able to master technology and science.. I don’t agree with social science side… to closed for my taste..
      When it comes to science, mathematics, and technology… they are at least 80+ years ahead of Eritrea…

      If they have 300+ universities- that means based on population there is 1 university for 80,000 koreans and if you compare that to Eritrea I believe.. 1 for 4.2 milion..
      Also, north korea is able to stand up to nuclear power called America..
      America could take out Eritrean government in a couple of days with drone…
      If North Korea change political or eoncomic system- it could probably be one most dynamic economies in world just like south korea…
      If Eritrea change politicals system.. it is coin toss between somalia and Sudan..

      My point there is no comparison between NK and Eritrea.. and the people who call Eritrea the north korea of Africa… just have superficial knowledge..

      • Haile S.

        Selam Josef Says,
        You said “If Eritrea change politicals system.. it is coin toss between somalia and Sudan..”. You seem to be very pessimistic on Eritreans, even after a change. No worry! With you Josef, your collapsible hat, on a horse, with a riding-crop on your hand, running after everybody’s butt, we will not loose a minute to catch up the time and opportunities lost!

        • Josef Says

          Mr. Haile,
          It is not pessimism- I prefer realism. I might have offended the Sudanese and somaliland folks also.. What structure and talent do you see in the Eritrean community in Eritrea or diaspora- that indicates to you a solid civil society would be built?
          What are the required ingredients?
          Remember if I go to Asmara and tear down every structure designed and partially built by the Italian- all I am left with in Asmara is hidmo..
          Remember we Eritrean have been out civil society norm for 50 years…
          We would be lucky to be like Sudan or Somaliland…

          • Haile S.

            Selam Josef Says,
            The ingridients are there: the people, the educated, the less educated, the daily manual worker, the cerebral, the nomad and the land that can be made to be productive by the hands and brain of those people. The missing ingridient is the glue that leads and keeps them happy together. What they are missing is leaders who lead and communicate through that compassionate language of leadership. Leaders that do not look down at their citizens, but are proud and confident of them. Leaders who don’t scorn them or tell them they are good for nothing. Leaders who have deep belly capable of absoving the stress and the blows and does not deflect back the venom to its citizens. Leaders that let their hearts get clogged instead of that of their citizens.

          • Josef Says

            Hello Haile,
            I agree the ingredients is there. It is in every african countries. If you were in Rwanda in 1990s would you believe it would be in the condition it is now and direction it is going..
            How many sociologist or Eritrean oppositions are studying the Rwanda success story? How did they do?
            I get worried when people say it is the leaders- if we get good leaders things would work out… that is like a basketball team waiting for another michael jordan, phil jackson.. or some people waiting for messiah..

            Let’s have this mentality..
            1. Every Eritrean is a leader and he or she is responsible for thinking critically and having a voice… I am always shocked when I see an Eritrea who have been in the diaspora(america) for 30+ years that can barely read English..
            2. Thomas paine used to say “government is necessary evil”.. he understood human nature and power.. that is why in America they have check-and-balance..
            3. There are no good or bad leaders just qualified/quality leaders and their qualification is measured by how much the produce for people..
            In america, in the late 1990s I used to go pdjf office for community meeting.. and by that time there were some highly educated Eritrean and I always found the leader of community office is semi-literate person who can barely read english and has no real understanding of how american system works in leadership. He understood tigrinya and how to tell stories and joke, etc..
            At the same time, you have someone in their 20s with Master in Sociology, etc.. highly educated and young… who had interest and talent to make the community center very effective..
            Now that community center is defunct and other ethnic groups have community center that function well and serve their community..

            To this day I ask myself- what would have happened to the community center and its impact if the most qualified people were leading it? Or opportunities were given to most qualified? How often do Eritrean ask this question- How qualified is our leadership? How do we measure their qualification? How qualified are the opposition leadership? How often do opposition group perform qualification drives? Not to reject people or disqualify people but see what new talent and drive be added?

            Good or Bad leader is vague and hard to measure. When you start asking this question- is this leader qualified? next question- how do we measure the qualification? then you can begin to have objective..
            But this style of thinking you will not find from people who have been running guerrilla armies? Or if you are always in state of emergency… It is a product of healthy civil society..

          • Haile S.

            Selam Joseph Says,
            What you said is at the heart of the road to fundamental change. It complements what I mentioned in that leadership is not limited to the high echelon only, but also as you succinctly put at the community level. Your mention of end of the 1990 appears we were in the same community though we likely were on different continents. What you said is spot-on and very complementary to strategies for change that Yohannes Zerai discussed almost a year ago under the title, I believe “Hitting the Enemy Where It Hurts the Most”. Yours is a great addition to his that you should consider developing and posting it on the Awate front page. Just don’t to be tough on Jo who forgets additional learning like language because of his preoccupation with sending money and feeding those back home.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Josef,

            I don’t know how young you are but if you were going to the community centers in 90s you must know dehai. I remember when I joined dehai in the mid nights, there were at least 400 users. Most of them were silent but the very few that were active, the likes of Beyan, Saay, Saleh Gadi, and few others were discussing ideas and opinions that would have propelled the country to unimaginable success had the government had the desire to listen and take it to heart the suggestion.

            You mentioned Rwanda and how the leadership have turned the country around. Well Rwanda leaders were just rebel leaders like ours, and so does the TPLF leaders. But the difference is, those leaders I think they believed in the well being of their people and their country and they tried to use what ever resources available to help their people and the country.

            On the other hand, the Eritrean government (specially the leader IA) saw the people as his enemy and he suspected that, sooner or later he will be removed from power (if people have the chance to vote for the most qualified leader) and he never wanted to give that opportunity. I do think it’s paranoia and I think he would have the best chance..

            And those people you see in the bet SHfet are the most loyal people to the party and their job and objective is to spy on Eritreans and pass to the secret party. Now everyone else around them are NOT free to do what ever they think that would benefit to the society and the country.

            In other words the country is under FEAR and it’s under hostage.

            Berhe

          • Josef Says

            Hello Berhe,
            I agree with you. But I think we need to study those two countries and their movements better. It is not about talking or ideas or people listening.. to anybody..
            We need develop an understanding political science. It is a science after all.
            I think most leaders start with good intentions or agenda or cause.. from Menguistu, Stalin, Meles, Kagame, Iassiass…

            But defining moment comes when situation challenges them and skills and ability can’t say the day…

            Let’s say TPLF and Ethiopia- TPLF is carbon copy of EPLF… why did on group end up running a dysfunctional and oppressive nation and other fairly dynamic with growth development nation? Is it Meles? What happened?
            My view is when TPLF made it Addis Ababa.

            1. One of first thing they found out was that they were under-qualified and running a guerrilla army was completely different from civil society. Ethiopia has rich history of international diplomatic expertise from AU, etc..
            2. Second- they are minority government and not liked by dominant amharic elites and 80+ million of population were their biggest fans..

            3. They couldn’t take the EPLF approach in Eritrea because they would be toppled quickly..
            4. Eventually they realized there are benefits and as long as the delivered for country or show things via dams, universities, etc.. not all people would be happy..

            5. What ever your opinion of Meles- he was constant learner in time of change the constant learner inherits the world while the dinosaur dies..

            So, in ethiopia TPLF had to make adjustment due to minority status, it had civil society and some experienced skilled human resources, and a leader humble enough to make adjustment.

            My view is when EPLF made it Asmara.

            1. They had hero welcome almost bordering saviors..
            2. They had no skills running a civil society and were arrogant and believe they could anything… highly uneducated..
            3. Their best talent and skills were for running guerrilla armies and all international disputes were resolved by war.. Sudan, Yemen, ethiopia, djbouti…
            4. The civil population followed them without any questions…
            5. The minute the populations started or challenged them.. and just like one person gets challenged.. his basic instinct is to react the only methods he or she is comfortable with… (imprision, kill, control) just like in mountain
            6. Of course, we can make this about personality or evil this is or that..
            7. By the way, this is exactly what happened in most african countries after independence in 1950s-1970s..
            8. In 1990s Eritrean were always bragging about how different they are from other African countries… what happened to other african countries after independence will not happen to us… This was great mistake because it prevented them from preparing or learning the important lessons.

            The real questions for Eritrean is how do we address this? How did other countries address it? What is the most effective methods? How long will it take? Can we design a five year plan?

          • Thomas

            Hi Josef,

            I must agree with most points you outlined above. Good progress with clarity.

          • Hope

            Selam Thomas:

            I second U on this.

            To the point and close to ACCURATE Asst of the Post-Independence EPLF Governance style later taken over by the more brutal PFDJ Regime;and the way he assessed them smart WEYANE is,in fact,ACCURATE!

            His observation on and asst about the failed Diaspora Eritrean Society as a Civil Society /Community is even hilarious and brutally honest asst!

            This guy started to make more sense than one would expect when he started it with some ” incoherence” and “stumbling ” as well as “obnoxious ” attitudes along with some misperceptions…..albeit deliberately-me thinks so!

            Look at his latest articulation of the English,thought process and even the basic grammar we tend to ignore !

          • Thomas

            Hi Josef,

            I first thought you were just a supporter of the mafias, but simply using an old tactics to support them. Now, I am sensing that you are just someone who has given up on Eritrea, Eritreans and Eritreanism:) I can only tell you that we must start by get riding the known criminals (used to be guerilla fighters) and we could elect qualified leaders to lead our nation. You must understand we have more than enough educated/qualified leaders to the lead our nation.

            I think no one has elaborated the eritrean refuge situation than Horizon (his post is on the very top thread). I am sure you know as the world community do, the very reasons why our youth are fleeing our country and crossing borders to get to any other country. Horizon is telling you that Africa countries cannot guarantee the safety the refuges either. Refer to what happened to the Ethiopians in South African and what is happening to our nationals in South Sudan. You must understand that the west is the only secured place to sake for a refuge status. Israel is not a safe nation to, but she is way safer and economically stable than the rest of the countries in Africa. Look if it was about money, the Eritrea youth would have fled to the middle east countries such as Saudi Arabia.

          • Josef Says

            Hi Thomas,
            It strange when someone is telling me the only safe place for economic immigrant is Europe?
            I think you should talk to Eritrean who have been living in Sudan since 1968… there is awate article about that..
            Or the thousands of Eritrea in Ethiopia…
            South Sudan is war zone? Why would anyone go there? I forgot there is businesses opportunities and 80%+ of hotels over there are owned by folks of Eritrean descent..
            And south Sudan has produce several Eritrean millionaire… oh there are Eritrean “refugee” in Angola too.. why are these Eritrean going to countries with oil?

          • Thomas

            Hi Josef,

            Can you please please please drop the economic immigrants thing? You never see 400-500/month youth leaving a 4 million people nation for economic reasons. Eritrea was under Ethiopian/derg occupation, but there was no migration to this extent. You must get real and ask young people why they had to leave Eritrea. I am not saying read, but ask those who are living the nation and I am sure they will tell about the national slavery and that their life was hell up there. This is not normal and if you don’t have someone to tell you what a national slavery means to the people inside the country, I am sorry you must know. In the case of Eritrea and Eritreans, it is never an economic migration, it is about fleeing to save your life.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Josef; have you noticed the price tug for each person of the chained one. it seems the price is assigned by weight. The fatter the person the higher the price. on the above picture the choppier person costs more. I wonder what the price would have been if Thomas was lined up there with them? I say 20K

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Last time you guessed, I thought you said I am fat, old and ugly. Keep guessing buddy.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas, no guessing here. if a person is decent fit, young and smart, no person will go half the glob to find a wife. for the record; you are all the above you said.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You forgot to type, “lol” at the end of the sentence “line 2” above:) “fara hagereseb wahid” I can see you with your “betri” and your father carrying your sublings crossing the border to Sudan and on your way to U.S.A. as refuges.

          • Josef Says

            Nitricc,
            I am not going to take this conversation there.. I am just repulsed by image of Eritrean doing that.. I can’t find any humor in it.. I tried..

          • Nitricc

            Hi Josef; why did they take their shirts off? You see I didn’t make it up.

          • blink

            Dear Josef
            This is the best humor , don’t you see the belt size and the price tag ? Why would they do that ? I am shocked on the people who advise these people to buy chain and then shut their mouth. How could they bargain? They supposed to bargain for better price or even lower price. Who knows someone could possibly give lower price just around the corner.

          • King Ezana

            Selam Nitricc. You are the most cruel person. I saw it the picture 100 times and I didn’t notice until you mentioned it. Hahahaha. How funny but sad. I don’t how heavy Thomas is but he won’t be on that line up since he got one of my people. Just to be safe, I will find a Tigray woman for safety reasons. You see, Nitricc, Thomas is not as dumb as you have him to be.
            What do you say I hook you up with a Tiryan woman? Hahahaha

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Nitricc
            Look how you anger Ezana I think they are his cousin
            Masquerading as Eritrean,we all know their ill wish for us
            He wouldn’t care .
            I think most who refuse to come back to Eritrea are them .
            ABEIT LEBZEBEN WOYANE, MESQA ERTRWIAN
            Arkibuwom,temesgen amlkna hizbu ayreseen

  • Josef Says

    Hello all,
    If these Eritrean are really refugee.. and all refugee need is safety why all these protest stuff about Rwanda and Uganda..
    Is there a history of mis-treatment or abuse of refugee in Rwanda and Uganda?
    We have had Eritrean living as refugee in Sudan since 1968?
    Just think about it!
    What is argument Eritrean can only find refuge in Israel and Europe or America?
    But they have found refugee in Sudan for 50 years?
    What is this guy Zerai saying Eritreans should not find refuge in African soil? Why not?
    Isn’t the view that Eritrean can only find refuge in Europe, Israel, or west if not racist a prejudice view?

    • blink

      Dear Josef
      It is all about Benjamin nothing more.

      • Josef Says

        Blink,
        You can say that again…

  • Josef Says

    Hope!
    Let me give you some hope! Let’s talk reality..
    There are significant number of Eritreans who went to college and educated in United States and
    are starting their own family… so people are realizing the problems of “Zemen Denkro” or “Age of Ignorance”
    You can get involved in the in opposing or reacting to pdfju… or whatever these organization.. Eritrean have gotten into habit of thinking binary- US vs them..
    What about focusing starting small and organizing…
    These pdjfy are dinosaurs and old.. and foolish.. of course they can intimidate or impress our semi-illiterate folks.. but I just call them for mental midget…
    Those people who talk about jebha/seraye.. or those hastags.. never really participated in American society.. they remind of gypsies in there a little secret society.. most of them don’t know any modern methods and mentally dead…
    I met a group of those fools and some educated Eritrean who raised in america just told them you guys are dinosaurs and backward… and useless.. those dinosaurs looked down and said nothing..

    Here is good book to get your mind.. in right direction…
    https://www.amazon.com/Going-Public-Organizers-Citizen-Action/dp/1400076498

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    I will forward you the article in the weekend. You said you spoke to someone who is works for NGO and you are relying what he told you as facts. I am not saying what he told you is wrong, but unless he is the minister of immigration or the spokes person of the prime minister, what he said to you, unless there is a document or facts, it’s just “speculation” as far as the policy of Canadian governments is concerned.

    Israel is considered a safe country. And it has the capacity and the means to provide protection to the refugees as signatory of the Geneva convention.

    Each county suppose to deal with refugees of their own. And Canada will not be willing, specially since this is wildly reported may not want to do anything about it, and probably wants to stay out if it.

    Berhe

  • Haile S.

    Selam Hope,
    Sorry, I just saw your comment. First I would not call Hope Psychotic or PFDJ apologist. I was calling caution against the severe judgement and against confusing or putting the eritrean mass with the Man&his-leadership in the same basket of psychiatric diagnosis. Eritreans allocated and still are allocating a lot of benefit of doubt, though mixed with a lot of doubt, on this leadership that happens to take the leading role for bringing the independence. It is an independence Eritreans vigoriously defend it even when faced with the biggest hardship that comes along. Now this man and his neately tight group pushed the hardship and the challenge far to the edge of what is tolerable. However the people should not be pushed beyond that edge along with the leadership.

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Dear all,

    As they work frantically to avoid imminent deportation to Rwanda (and possibly Uganda) as the Israeli government intends to do in violation of international refugee-protection laws, Eritrean refugees in Israel have called upon their fellow citizens in the diaspora to stage protests at Rwandan Embassies in their respective host countries. The objective of the protests would be to call on the Rwandan government to desist from collaborating with (and becoming part of) Israel’s infamous plan of dumping African refugees in countries not their own and against their will.

    Migration of African populations has been growing at an alarming rate in the last two decades and has become widespread in its occurrence. Hence, mass migration of Africa is not a national or regional problem but a continental one. Such is the understanding of African countries themselves as it is of the rest of the world. This fact was demonstrated at the “Khartoum Process” and the “Valletta Summit on Migration” initiatives that the EU launched in 2014 and 2015, respectively to bring together countries of origin, transit or destination of the migrants for purposes of agreeing on measures to control migration. As a continental (umbrella) organization representing the participating African countries, the African Union (AU) was there as “EU’s partner” to oversee these meetings and the agreements that resulted from them.

    Now, the Israeli-instigated refugee crisis in question involves some 20-30 thousand refugees from at least two African countries – Eritrea and the Sudan – whom Israel is threatening to deport to one, and possibly two African countries: Rwanda and Uganda. But, despite the obviously international dimensions of the pending problem, it is each of these two countries that is preparing to unilaterally collaborate in the forcible deportation of thousands of African citizens to two specific locations in the continent as dictated by Israel.

    The foregoing facts mean that (i) the planned actions of Rwanda (and Uganda) are illegal and (ii) the AU bears the responsibility of stopping the racist, colonialist-minded measure that is being imposed on Africans and the African continent from the outside and in violation of a host of refugee-related international laws and regulations. It pains me to be reminded that there presently exist no well-organized, respected and influential Eritrean opposition groups that could take this unprecedented case to the corridors of power at the AU on behalf of the Eritrean and Sudanese potential victims of this impending injustice. If there were just one such group, it would have challenged the organization to shoulder its declared responsibility of defending the rights of its citizens and protecting their safety and dignity.

    Still, I do hope that those opposition groups and civic organizations who remain true to their declared principles as well as prominent Eritreans everywhere will find it in their hearts to answer the cries for help of their distressed brothers and sisters. They can make a difference in the lives of these helpless people by lobbying the AU or registering their concerns with the organization. Meanwhile the rest of us, as groups and individuals, should honor the wishes and appeal of the refugees and organize multiple public protests to press the Rwandan government to retract its complicity in injustice and avoid the role of being Israel’s partner in crime!

    Thank you.

    • Josef Says

      Mr. Zerai
      This is the kind of garbage that creates the existing problem with Eritrean economic immigrants. We are Eritrean have developed this “state of emergency” mindset. We have no ability to plan a head and come up with strategy everything is reactive.
      What are protesting? I have seen these eritrean in Rwanda nothing happening to them..
      If you are an Eritrean in diaspora and you participate in these protests or take action against this.. it will send the message to Eritrean in Eritrea to continue the immigration… Where does it end? What happening to these after they leave their country?
      The activities and policy Mr. Zerai is asking your support is part of “normalization refugee”… all these people get scatter around europe in limbo and basically in stand by mode for life…
      My fellow Eritrean being a refugee is not normal.. it is hellish of life..
      if you are in disapora focus on building a strong community and advancement of your people in your respective.. focus on education and business and science… develop your full potential if opportuntiies are there..
      It seems there is alot of Refugee Hustling… we got our freedom and with freedom there is responsibility… We have had refugee since 1968… let’s give the world a break and take care of ourselves instead of begging international community to care of us..

  • josef

    Hello all,
    You got those folks a little credit. They are wearing those fashionable pants.
    If you had told an Eritrean person in 1995 in Asmara or any where in world- hey Eritrean is going people are going to be dying in Mediterranean ocean, scatter around world as refugee, barely any university, eritrean community in diaspora are disorganized and part of permanent under-class in those societies, etc..
    That person would look at as though you lost your mind and crazy…

    My prediction- in 15/20 years a country called Eritrea will not exist and an nationality called Eritrean will also be forgotten…
    And if you blame this on issias- that would be make him God…
    I think our problem is “Eritrean don’t know that they don’t know”

    • Haile S.

      Selam josef,
      If what has not been predicted happened, what is being predicted will not happen. I think, you are trying to outdo Nostradamus and I doubt you can, because you are based on current happenings not stellar reading like him.

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    I don’t know the facts of the position of the Canadian government with regards to the Eritreans in Israel but generally Canadian government refugee policy is, they do not repatriate refugees who are considered in safe countries (which one can assume Israel is). I doubt Canada would change it’s policy because it’s bullied by Israel. There are many citizens, lawyers and human rights activities who would challenge such decision.

    Your Problem:
    You think you know everything and you have all the facts, but you don’t all the time. Again, stop telling me and others what to say or write. If you don’t know and you don’t have the facts, before you make your own assumptions and come to conclusion, the simplest way is to just ask. Always, always give people the benefit of the doubt……

    As to why I said what I said, I read a story last year how few Eritrean refugees were repatriated to Canada from Israel with the help of a Jewish NGO in Canada.

    Berhe

  • Hope

    *Please read ” ….struggles” as “Refugees”
    Mod:
    Curious to know as to why u deleted or blocked my long comment based on facts???
    Would u care to clarify,please!?’would appreciate it.
    Have seen ” longer Hatetas”!

  • josef

    To Awate,
    I finding it strange that my comments go into moderation and never get approved or posted.
    I follow the guideline and language is professional…
    I guess freedom of speech is not an Eritrean value..whether in home or diaspora…
    Our problem is not dictatorship it is culture…

  • Tzegay

    Sorry, I neant 50 jears of deception: 1968-2018; For your Boss came first time to power in 1968. Then he left ELF in a year later, to accmplish zer’i kirdad

  • Berhe Y

    Dear AT and all,

    I also read (not sure the same news or not) that the Eritrean refugees in Israel have protested outside Rwanda embassy in Israel. I have also seen demonstration cards implicating Rwanda and the leader Paul Kagame as culprit in the suppose deal between Israel and Rwanda.

    Suppose Israel is deporting the Eritrean (or repatriating them to Canada) as some have, would they still demonstrate that? I don’t think so..

    So this all demonstration in the Rwanda embassy, seems to me a little bit misplaced. They should demonstrate in the Israel Parliament, government, prime minister etc. Because it’s the Israel government that’s not upholding it’s responsibility to protect the refugees. If Rwanda is doing this (if it done because it got paid by Isreal, I think it’s a wrong reason) but if Rwanda is open to welcome refugees (African refugees) because they are not wanted anywhere else (because of their free will), I think Rwanda needs to be praised and not criticized.

    When the African slave trade in Libya was first aired, Rwanda is (I think the only country) that publicly announced that it condemned the practice in Libya and it publicly announced that it will welcome them to Rwanda.

    I don’t think Rwanda did that because it got paid “5000 US” from Libya but it’s doing in solidarity with the African people.

    Berhe

    • blink

      Dear Beyan
      The demonstration against Ruwand is meant to say in Ruwanda Mr.Benjamin is not available by picking Tomatoes or cleaning work , that is all the demonstration because what could it be possibly for? Israel rejected their papers because that is what the leaders of Israel do and Ruwanda accepted it may be for different reasons but the demonstration against Rueanda as you said is really a bad picture to the Term asylum

    • ghezaehagos

      Hi Berhe bro,

      Long time! I hope all is well…

      I think Rwanda is as culpable as Israel in this matter. Look, Eritrea’s Isaias, haggled over their price; an infamy of new kind. Look at this way: if there is no recipient nation, what would the Likud government do? It will be forced to keep them and make their lives more hellish.

      It doesn’t matter the reasons (financial or military support I would say or moral as you would say), Rwanda’s role in this tragic of saga refugee sale is important to Israeli plans but very destructive to Eritrean refugees. Libya is under lawless gangs; but Israeli government a signatory to UN conventions has a responsibility to give them protection.

      I would in fact focus more or as more in pressuring Rwanda (who has no freaking business in this after all, it is just another African country) to back from this deal than Israel, a hard-core Likud anti-immigrant regime that is bent on deporting these poor souls for domestic political score.

      The blood of our innocents is in the hands of Kagame as is in Netanyahu.

      Ghezae Hagos.

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Ghezae,
        This is something that the Israeli government needs to weigh carefully. People constantly face such tragedy and the Jewish people are one of the well known examples for facing tragedies. The eritrean’s tragedy has some parallelism to what russian jews faced in the early 1900. One of the countries thought for their settlement was Uganda. It was a very divisive idea and for a number of reasons it was dropped. Part of the russian jews were settled in different parts of the world and progressively with time the idea of establishing the Jewish state in the actual Israel came into being with the Balfour agreement. Now the comparison with the situation of eritreans is limited, but the approach to find a solution is very similar. Any hastly taken measure and especially where money is involved goes beyond humanity, beyond acceptable. Could you imagine if Isayas Afewerki instead of raising the monetary bid more than 10 fold, said: these people are our own citizens and the very productive at that, provided they voluntarily decide to return to their homeland, we will happily receive them and do our possibility to help them re-establish themselves; even knowing well no one believes him? Had he addressed them directly facing the camera saying few more nice words, forget it, he could have won few people’s sympathy compared to the thousands antipathy he sure must have added to his CV.

        • Hope

          Selam Hailat:
          The long comment I made but blocked by the Moderator could have given U some idea.

          Eventhough I am against the gross idea or Conspiracy that the PFDJ or PIA is solely responsible for our mess,there is some ” credible” conspiracy” theories that u have to consider .
          Consider about this man called Istas Afewerk and read his resume and history since his childhood until this minute and u will figure out why he didn’t say or do what you suggested.

          -Abused childhood/ Youth
          and the negative role his peers might have played on him

          -Some Family History of Psychiatric problems

          Here in the USA,the majority of Psychiatric problems that manifest during late childhood/Adolescence and early adulthood are related to some kind of abuse during their childhood including unhealthy family dynamics.

          More than 95% of the Police in the USA have history of some kind of abuse and / or history of being bullied and it was claimed that they become Police Officers to revenge /retaliate against their history of abuse /being bullied..This is evidence based Medical Study.

          Back to the person in question.
          Consider :
          -his role with the CIA and the Janhoy Gov
          -His excuses and the back ground to break away from the ELF despite that he was given top favoritism

          -His negatives role against ELF -EPLF Reconciliation

          -The role of and the rationale behind creating a Secret Party within a Party

          -The rationale behind decimating his alleged and potential Opponents

          -The rationale behind his motto ” Amma kem chew Kithakik alewa” and the subsequent Unholy alliance with the TPLF to that effect/-of decimating and making the ELF melt like salt!

          -His alleged joint agenda wth MZ /TPLF of creating Abay Tigray or Tigray Tigrigni /Reclaiming the Axumite Empire(per his interview with a French Journalist in 1970s)

          -His statement about possible Confederation of Eritrea with Ethiopia

          -The mysterious war of 1998-2000 and its aftermath events
          1)Isolating the Main Stream and Original Eritrean EPLF members/heroes during the war
          2) His alleged mysterious direct orders to the EDF to withdraw from Zalambesa and from Aseb

          3)The cracking down of our heroes and heroines in 2001

          4) his reckless handling of the UNMEE and the Al Shebab Saga

          5) The creation of and the preferential treatment of the DEMHIT

          6)The banning of Private Economy and the destruction of the flourishing Higher Education and Post Grad Schools

          7) The suspension of the most lucrative business like Tourism,Fishing,Salt industries

          7) The over all sadistic nature of his undertakings and measures

          8) The alleged role in the Push Factor to make our Youth run away(The Letter of the Biships of the Catholic Conference hinted us some what)!

          As Semere Andom alluded it,the systematic way of getting rid of more than 40% of Senior Tegadelti by making them leave the Nation and/or freezing or demoting or ” repatriating” them.

          8) Assignmejt of his own unique people to special security and economic areas and dealing with them directly by bypassing the fake Ministers.

          Did u Dr Andebergan W ‘s book ?
          Or a discussion paper by the controversial Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie?

          We Eritreans are Sooooo DUMB and ignorant that we allowed a single individual to have messed us up !

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hope,
            A well summarized list of destruction. But let’s be careful here. When one is incapable of pushing his patient into the ward he could turn to be the patient himself. We are on the psychoanalytic couch and trying to find the way-out.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hope,

            That’s a good summary of this evil man deeds. I asked this before and I will ask you again, about the secret party. Have you had any information about this secret party (we know it existed) but how were people recruited to this party and what’s the obligation/ responsibility that come with it. For example, did their swear oath of secrecy, did the party comes first before family, people and country, I think the way Isayas behaves and acts is, zHaze Hizu…… Could the secret party is organized like the Mafia organization, where boss have the utmost power and all those below him are to obey without question…

            Here is an example, that I read with regards to Akria school demonstration.

            He gathered his security, military and police and asked them in the meeting, how did you let his happen. They have almost got inside the president office, how is that possible that no body stopped them and looked at the police for answer.

            The police said, it’s not our fault because we don’t have cars/trucks to transport our police. The next day ordered brand new trucks.

            People in Asmara now call them….Akria.

            My point is, it’s not only him but there is some sort of secret party who will do anything to protect the system…..

            And I think, unless we figure out what that secret party is..then we will keep guessing…

            Berhe

          • josef

            Hope,
            If this single individual dies tomorrow will things change… how does the eritrean community in disapora function and I am talking developed countries with higher education everywhere… freedom of speech and freedom of thought.. how effective are those community? How are those Eritrean in those countries doing relative other groups?
            You have study the mentality of the people and social evolution….
            You want to bring about change in society- you have understand how social change happens and what it takes.. it starts at grassroots…
            You have to study the science or mechanics of social change… you can start here..
            https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hope; well, I disagree with some of your take but you failed to inform your readers at the conclusions of your list.
            9) He led to the free and new country of Eritrea with her two giant ports from a country of 90 million population.
            10) once again he prevailed against all conspiracies and sabotages by not only the surrounding countries but even by the Super powers. the man won, hands down.
            you see hope I am a man of justice; when you deny him the credit that goes to him, I had to do it.
            Be a just man and tell it as is. don’t tell half the story.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yep..Nitriccay,,

            Yes keep it up!! who can do it the way you do?

            You, are so brave !!

            KS..

          • Kbrom

            11) He make it virtually impossible to avoid the unblinking stare of ‘wedi afom’ by cultivating personality cult and choosing ‘ignorant followers’ who ask ‘how high’ if he tells them to jump. How dare a person who owns his own dignity say PIA liberated Eritrea and its two ports without even mentioning the heroes and heroines who fall under the sacred flag.

            12) He tightly controlled the flow of information, and painted pictures for people so they can panic while imagining fearful threats from “evil outsiders” and presented himself as saviour hence was able to produce a robot followers who shout Weyane, Cia instead of being engaged in a meaningful discourse

            13) He developed the ‘big six’ dictatorial signs : sadistic, paranoid, antisocial, narcissistic, schizoid and schizotypal, however regardless of the sadistic nature the mostly poorly informed thoughtless followers who are fearful due to their one way perspective.

            14) They give loyalty the highest order and priority, merit is not important as they can control the thoughts, opinions and actions of people who are blindly loyal to them.

            15) The blind and vulnerable followers, most of the time, eventually realize their mistakes – but by then- they are permanently stuck in the philosophy of ወላ ትንፈር ጤልያ Oromai!!

            P.S press ctrl+F on your computer, type followers on the find and it will automatically replace it by Nitricc – computers are smart.

            ‘There are no dictators with out blind followers. No Isayases without Nitrics.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom; no wonder why no young people are following your dead good for nothing opposition movement. You can’t just lie to people with something everyone knows. You can’t just give all the bad thing and hid all the good stories. Sure, you will get the old and the corrupted but not the progressive once who make your agenda possible. If you are going to tell me a story, then tell me all. Don’t tell me half truth and half lies because you have grudge with particular person. I believe without his leadership in struggle for independence, you all be out there killing each other or be like OLF. I am not kidding. Why do you think ELF didn’t make it? ELF had no leader with balls who can lead and kill. That is what needed in a struggle for independence. Give him a the credit he deserves, he brought you home, with out him you still will be Karura. You can argue about his actions but you can’t take his leadership during independence. The Truth!!!!

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Ghezae,

        You have more knowledge and facts than me, so I agree to all what you said and it does make sense.

        If I understand the story correctly, I sm a little skeptical that the Rwanda government involvement is because of financial gains. Reason I said, I think I heard / video of the president speaking about the challenges African migrants are facing in Lybia or elsewhere and how they are trying to help. And second point is, for a country that went through so much pain, and how they have turned things around and made the country. I don’t think they are desperate to generate income out of the misery of Eritreans.

        But perhaps, it may be better for them to stay out,

        Berhe

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Ghezae, Yohannes and all,

        It looks like the demonstrations and campaign is working. Based on one of the article that I read, it doesn’t look like the deportation is popular and a lot notable Jewish people are opposing to name a few

        Airline workers,
        Jewish Clergymen,
        Holocaust Survivors

        Rwanda:
        It also looks like Rwanda have backed down and one of the minister said “There was no deal and never was. Rwanda open policy meant to welcome anyone who wants to come to Rwanda but they don’t want people to come without their own free will”.

        Africa Union:

        Rwanda president Kagame is the current chairman of the AU and immigration, among other issue is currently the main agenda in the meeting of AU.

        Berhe

  • blink

    Dear tzegay
    Very hard to believe you care for Eritreans at any level with your torn out explanation about the 60 years you try to down play.

    • Tzegay

      Sorry, I meant 50 years of deception: 1968-2018; For your boss came first time to power in 1968. Then he left ELF a year later, to accomplish zer’i kirdad

      • blink

        Dear Tzegay
        Well , your second number will not do you any favors because if you could think of some, there were Eritrean leaders apart from the man on the helm. Quite to the opposite of your abay Ethiopia with its Hatse metse of it’s 3000 years hearsay, for the known reason Eritrea is a country not a regional zone of the unionists dream. Now the fight is on to make it democratic state and I can see you will not be happy even after the dictator. Bad choice and bad hereditary diseases.

  • Haile S.

    Selam tzegay,
    ብዛዕባ ኣዞም ስደተኛታት ኣሕዋትናን ኣሓትናን ዘጋጠሞም ሽግር ዝበልክሞ እሰማማዓሉ።
    የግዳስ፡ ጌጋ ድ’ኣ ይኽልኣለይ እምበር፡ እዚ ጸብጻብ ተቓረንቲ ቃላትኩም’ሲ፡ ዝኾነን፡ ክኸውን ዝነበሮን ዘይነበሮን ሓዋዊስኩም፡ ገዝፍ መግፈፍ ዓለባ ክዝርግሕ እሞ መድረርየይ ኣይስእንን ኢልኩም ወይ ከኣ እንግሊዛውያን ከም ዝብልዎ “cast a wide net” ኢልኩም ዝወጠንኩሞ እዩ ዝመስል። ንዓይ ነዛ ብነብሰይ፡ ካብኡ ሓሉፉ እውን ‘ዓሻ ተመሲልካ ድራሮም ወድኣሎም’ ዝብል ምሳለ እዩ ኣዘኪሩኒ፡ ኣበሃህላኹም። ኣነ እኳ ‘ለባም ተመሲልካ’ ምበልኩ፡ ግን ናይ በሓቂ ለባም ስለዝኾንኩም ነዛ ምሳለ ኣይልውጣን እየ። ኤርትራ ምስተመለስና ምክርኻር ከይነብዝሕ’ሲ እዘን ተቓረንቲ ቃላትኩም መነጸርኩመን’ዶ?
    ክብረት ይሃበለይ።

    • Tzegay

      Tzegy

  • Natom Habom

    Selam Awate Eritrean
    It is sad to see Eritrean refugees humiliated around the world ,earlier refugees that left Eritrea before independence
    Was patriotic,full of idea that seduced westerner by their discipline and organization, they made pfdj a state whitin a state
    they open Hizbawi Ginbar office around the world .
    But the young generation didn’t see any suffering when they left and start dececreting their country for asylum,
    They didn’t organize themselves like the other instead they were busy attacking the old generation burning flags,attacking physically elders ,drinking and fighting each other ,they have no coherence,they didn’t show respect for themselves,how can Israel care for such peoples .what president is saying is right those are dangerous for the Eritrean society,a failure that Eritrean people always will remind them if ever they return means a rift within the country is not an option.
    Had they stayed like their brothers nothing would have happened to them but worst thing is begging those who enslave them
    Humiliated them ,raped women’s in front of them .when you leave their own country that needed them and begged them Are begging Israel and other countries in such artistic and nacked body is great shame for all Eritrean.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Natom Habom,
      Shall we give them nenatom. The “earlier refugees” were raised by a different culture. The current refugees were raised by PFDJ culture. Reflect on that.

      When you say “Had they stayed like their brothers nothing would have happened to them”; which brothers are you talking about? The ones who are in the Army and barely get to visit their family ones a year, the children who hardly know their fathers; the ones in tehadso, all levels of Army prisons, enda aboy rigum… The ones who asked for our support to escape but we convinced to stay home a little longer, that things would improve, that they will be demobilized and we will help them to start their own lives … the same ones who realized they stayed home to long and are now risk averse to leave but have no respite but to endure the hellish life themselves and see their children go through the same sawa and endless servitude.

      The refugees in Israel, the ones who you say didn’t show respect for themselves, worked hard and sent money to their families. They helped their families build houses, which were callously destroyed by the President’s order. Qurub natom habom.

      • Natom Habom

        Selam abrehet
        What are you talking about ????
        Well who where raised by older pfdj are passing to the young wpfdj
        Tell me can you organize like them or learn from them ??? instead of attacking them (Anti xxxxxx ,anti gizae ,kin qetlekum inna)
        Everywhere they show themselves is violence and insult against well organized,polite ,powerful pfdj supporters

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abrehet; I don’t know about you but when you said ” which brothers are you talking about? The ones who are in the Army and barely get to visit their family once a year, the children who hardly know their fathers; the ones in tehadso, all levels of Army prisons, enda aboy rigum…” Personally; I rather stay home and go through what you are mentioning than what I have personally witnessed in Italy. No one will dehumanize you with out your Permission. You should have encouraged for people to stay home and to right whatever is wrong, instead you are making excuses for people to flee their country. Fleeing is not the answer and tell people to stay home with their dignity intact rather than what we are witnessing.

        • Thomas

          Hi Nitricc,

          We know you talk too much with your stinky mouth, but why don’t show us your courage by volunteering to go to sawa and live in Eritrea for the rest of your life. You have told us your parents brought you to U.S. via Sudan and then asked for refuge/asylum here. I guess you should be asking your parents why they left Eritrea and did not fight the enemy by staying in the country/Eritrea?? You see how stupid you look when say things for just the heck of saying?

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Nitricc,
          It would be honorable to keep your dignity with your own sacrifice. You cannot ask others to suffer so that you will not feel embarrassed. I don’t encourage anyone to leave Eritrea. When I see adults with full functioning mental capacity choose any kind of humiliation and suffering rather than return home, I take note.

          • Natom Habom

            Selam abrehet
            You want to teach about dignity when you and your people lack of dignity
            They even mislead,steal ,lie to their own people now they apologize for they misconduct
            Do we,expect you going to be sincere to Eritrean ?? off course no

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Natom Habom,
            After reading your response several times I came to the conclusion that you are stating that: I am an Ethiopian. TPLF/EPRDF is apologizing for their misconduct therefore I have no position to teach you about dignity. You don’t expect me to be sincere to Eritreans. Having exhausted my mental capacity deciphering your message, I ask others to respond to you.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abrehet Yosief,

            Gud eko terekibu:)

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abrehet; my point is all the so-called opposition got things wrong. You all fall to the wrong idea of change. For my understanding, all oppositions and so-called activists worked in to encouraging the youth to flee the country in hope it works weakening the government and ultimately to bring down the current government. It should have been the opposite. You guys supposed encourage the youth to stay home that way to apply real heat and pressure to the government. If you see in Ethiopia, the youth is making all the problems for the TPLF government. When the youth stays home, it is a proven mechanism to real changes. When the youth leaves the country it minimizes any pressure for a change. I am saying this because i wanted the Eritrean youth to stay home and make right whatever is wrong in the country. Running away is not the solution and i believe in fighting what is yours. it is their country why are the youth fleeing their country and endure all this unimaginable hardship? The youth is the agency of change and when you encourage the youth to leave the country in order to make look the government bad, it is just wrong formula.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Dear Nitricc,
            I fully agree with you. I don’t encourage anyone to leave Eritrea. The ones I know who left the country didn’t get encouragement from any opposition leader or party. They left because it was unbearable for them to stay. Once they were in places where they could discuss and organize, they are all trying what they can do with what little opportunity they get. Some get into politics, some into religion, some into binge drinking … I assure you it is impossible to organize inside Eritrea under any condition.

          • josef

            Abrehet Yos..
            I don’t think it is impossible organize or for change to happen in Eritrea. If you believe that and that is how the conversation is framed.. If that is case you can’t explain the forto incident…
            I think Nitricc has very good point and if you look at the last 20 years in Eritrean history.. his observation makes sense…
            1. I believe what is happen in Eritrea is basically back to 70-80s… just worst..
            2. Youth- it is actually not Youth.. if you are older than 20 years old you are a man not youth. This is label of youth by Eritrean is a little backward.. I have seen member of PDJFY who are 35 years or 40 years.. and it leaves me wondering what the hell is eritrean definition of Youth.. I think people are using village elders as reference.. it just doesn’t make sense..
            3. Most of these college age folks are going other countries and stay their in limbo as refugee dealing with isolation, trauma, etc.. hardly non of them is achieving or fullfill their potential..
            4. The way things are going Eritrean will not have stable civil society..
            5. Basically, we caught up in cycle of failed-statehood or what I can the “uncivil society”..
            6. Just for one minute if you are familiar with history of other countries…
            between 1968-2018
            1. Look at Botswana, Ghana, Singapore, etc… those are normal societies where you have stability, children are born, go to school, university, improve on previous generation and country develops.. life condition.
            2. Eritrea has all opposite recipes and dish it is serving it is people is “permanent underdevelopment”
            3. I know we eritrean tend to emotional and lack strong planning for future how can we are always in state of emergency…
            4. But just imagine the consequence of all that is happening in 15years or 20 years…
            5. Folks story to say this but we are F…..ed

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Josef,
            Yes we are doomed. The forto incident failed because the organization had to be super secret and thus remain within a handful of those who led it. To the extent that their own troops didn’t know what their mission was. The difference between Eritrea and all the other African countries that you mentioned is the draconian nature of the Government. Other African countries, allowed some level of freedom and only took extreme measures against those who challenged the power structure. In Eritrea, there is no freedom of movement, worship, gathering etc. Everyone is counted and his/her place known. A family periodically has to prove where its members are in order to get its monthly food ration coupons approved. Other developing/poor countries may have a government that is a parasite. Eritrea has a government that is a predator. Not only are its citizens under its complete control, but those who escaped are not free either. The welfare of their extended families is constantly under attack. You may see the families of a few well known opposition figures live in peace. But the rest are not the same. Families cannot renew their small business (metaphor for a corner grocery shop) if any of their children have left the country and are not paying 2%. Any change can come only from inside and I am only stating why it is very difficult to achieve.

          • josef

            Mr. Abrehiet you listed all what I can all the constraints…. That is good your understand of challenges…
            1. List all the constraints for social change
            2. Understand how social changes happen and what makes them
            https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915
            3. Next look at those constraints and make them beautiful…
            https://www.wiley.com/en-us/A+Beautiful+Constraint%3A+How+To+Transform+Your+Limitations+Into+Advantages%2C+and+Why+It%27s+Everyone%27s+Business-p-9781118899014

            I know this might sound crazy or some bookish crap but trust.. what you think is the most challenging and constraint could actually be the pivot.
            Yes- all social movement and change have to have an intellectual foundation… part of reason we can’t bring change to Eritrea is not because Eritrean government is so smart or strong… no the eritrean who want change are walking around with their head cutoff…

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Josef Says,
            Great points. I look forward to hearing your vision.

          • Nitricc

            Greetings Abrehet: The only difference between me and many of you on this forum is that I personally care what we build for future while goys are about all out how to get rid of the current government. The government sooner or latter is going to go but what comes after the what we should gear up for. It is unfortunate 99% of the forum participants are all about dismantling the current government with out a thought what shall come next. Let’s think what comes tomorrow.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Nitricc,
            I honestly don’t recall anyone discussing how to dismantle the current government. But even if there is a group focusing on that, it shouldn’t stop you from focusing on what you want to discuss, i.e. what you want to build for the future. In fact they are complementary to each other. Let others focus on “how to dismantle the current government” and you go ahead and work on “what to build for the future.”

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abrehet; When you said ” I honestly don’t recall anyone discussing how to dismantle the current government” I guess you are not paying attention to this maddens Akrya-Begesew, Senita to follow and Godayf Cheresew. lol it shows you how people are so eager to dismantle. Anyway our future is going to depend in the quality of the justice system and the strength of the rule of law. I hear people saying Eritrea is at least peace and I always shake my head and I ask my self how is possible peace with out justice and the rule of law? I don’t know who said it but there is a saying goes like “peace is not the absence of conflict rather the present of justice” I really believe that. People may say Eritrea is peaceful and it is true, there is no conflict but if so peaceful why are all this citizens leaving the country? You see, there can’t be peace without justice and the rule of law. So, after the current government all Eritrean effort should concentrate on that part of national business. once we got that right, then everything should be straight.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Nitricc,
          “No one will dehumanize you with out your Permission.” How can you say this? What is it supposed to mean? Just to stay on a local example; was it with their permission that our forefather had to endure 25 to 40 lashes on their bare body for crossing to the white quarter or for stumbling into the blanco door instead of the nero door? Where they sadistically sick enough to permit that upon themselves? You can defend the regime for not leaving/providing the youth a single visibility into their only life on earth (the reason they left and found themselves in the present situation) whichever way you want, but not with the fundamentally wrong statement you quoted and you used for the lone reason of defending.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Haile and Nitricc…

            Then the slavery history means nothing! The suffering under occupation that Eritreans went through means nothing! And all that whitewash to justify the current suffering. A big Ageb.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ: there are few exceptions with your points. First of all time has evolved so does the mentality and norms of the people. something that happened 60. 70 years ago has its own historical facts. for instance, when the white man brings you from Africa in chains, then that was then and the black Americans fought back as the result of that today all black people have some form of normality, in that sense, they didn’t permit for the whites to abuse them for ever. the Africans didn’t come to America willingly, they were forced that is much difference from when Eritreans intrude say like in Israel. The same thing with Eritrea and Eritreans, despite their number, outgunned and no friends. they didn’t permit for any foreign to exploit and oppressed them, they fought back and they are here to stay.
            Again, if every Eritrean who left the country has invested its energy and time wasted as a refugee to make their country as a country of they are fighting to get in to, different game. But the truth is, when they leave their country that means they gave their blessing to the government to do whatever. The truth!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile, did you ask me what does mean to what I said? well, I will replay latter on but what I am saying ” Man is born in a day, and he dies in a day, and the thing is easily over; but to have a sick heart for three-fourths of one’s lifetime is simply to have death renewed every morning; and life at that price is not worth living.”

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,
            I think you are re-comitting identical mistake. ውሓጥዮ እንተበልኩዋስ ትጎስሞ። No one is living 3/4th of his individual life with sick heart. This is just a ‘pat oneself on the back’. Do you want everyone who does not agree with the regime to commit collective suicide?
            Your prescription is lethal to the country. It is not going to happen.

          • Nitricc

            HI Haile, you said ” Do you want everyone who does not agree with the regime to commit collective suicide?” NO! how about the gumption, the will and the courage to collectively fight what is killing you? I see no honor on the people on the picture. “Every one dies but every on lives, they should have choose to live. that is not life.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Nitricc,
            For everyone that you see in the picture, ten stayed behind. You seem to forget the ones back home are facing extreme human right violations as well. If you would see their fates documented and their pictures in the western media, perhaps it will then be real for you.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Haile,

            Nitricc reminds me an old story of Adey Hliku. ሓንቲ ነግራም ሰበይቲ ዝነበረቶም ሰብኣይ ኣንጻር ውሒጅ እንዳጎየዩ የእውዩሞ ዓዲ ክትረድእ ብምውጻእ
            ደሓን ዲኻ ኢላ ምስሓተተቶ
            ሰብኣይ ‘ ሰበይተይ ውሕጅ ወሲድዋ ርድኡኒ’ ይብል እሞ
            ዓዲ ትቕብል ኣቢላ ውሕጅ እንተወሲድዋ ደኣ እንታይ ንዓቐብ ትጎዩ ናብቲ ኣንፈት ውሕጅ እምበር ንጉየ ትብሎ
            ወዮ ሰብኣይ ትቕብል ኣቢሉ ያእ ሰበይተይ ህልኩ ኢያ ነይራ ወላ ውሕጅ እንተወሰዳ እውን ኣንጻር እቲ ውሕጂ ኢያ ክትከይድ በሎም ይበሃል፡ መሲልካ እንታይ ኣምጽእካ እንዲዩ ሃይላት it is very difficult to be engaged in a civilised discussion with Nitricc, sometimes I try to to decipher what he is trying to say from his point of view or (ብዓይኒ ጠመተ ኣደይ ህልኩ) however, even with that perspective, it is hard to comprehend what he is trying to say. ንNitricc ዝጽመም ባሕሪ ከብዲ ዓቕልኻ ድማ የቕነኣኒ ሃይለ ሓወይ።

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            Welcome back! I was thinking of you these days. There is a french saying that goes like this “quand on parle du loup, on en voit la queue “, meaning something like ‘while talking of a wolf, suddenly appears its wagging tail’. I am not play with words here. Thank you for you funny and wise words. Stay around, don’t go back to the forest!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; what do you mean when you said ” meaning something like ‘while talking of a wolf, suddenly appears its wagging tail’. I am not play with words here” What are you saying?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,
            It is simply a expression to say someone just arrived while thinking of him. I missed Kbrom and he just arrived when I wad thinking of him. Let me say it tigrigna: ዋይ እንዳሓሰብኩኻ መጺእካ፡ እዛ ሓማትካ ክትፈትወካ! No wax and gold here.
            Cheers

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; Thanks Sir. If some thing I didn’t understand it, it bothers me and that is why I asked you. thanks.

          • Nitricc

            HI Kbrom, if bending the truth is civilized and then I am happy to be uncivilized. You could have dealt with my take that no one dehumanizes you, no one abuses you with out your permission. If PIA oppressed you, you let him, you gave him the blessing. If the refugee in Israel are abused and sold like slaves, they put themselves in to that situation. Do you read about the Israeli pilot who refused to do what is not in to whom. He probably lost his job but his principals and his moral authority is intact. Again no one will abuse you with out your permission. Now, chow on that instead name calling and ሰበይተይ ውሕጅ ወሲድዋ ርድኡኒ’ ” gelemele.

    • Tzegay

      Himak awrasi imber, himak werasi yelon. Itom awresti kia himekna kin’imenelu yigiba’i.

      • Natom Habom

        Selam Tzegay
        Woriduwo awrasi ,kibret seliom baelina wurdet merisna kabay jemiru
        But me I sleep better by accepting my wrong doing .
        Why we don’t see bad think among the supporters ?? who is attacking them
        Everywhere by being obstacles in their festivities and meeting .
        To say himaq awrasi well then open your eyes and see how they are organize
        And get visite by high official from the country

        • Thomas

          Hatom Habom,

          One line in your above comment says, “Why we don’t see bad think among the supporters ??” If I understood you correctly, you are indicating you are not the supporter of the mafias, right? I think you better write in Tigrigna that way people will understand your view better.

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Thomas
            I know you are internet troll,no I am not yet a member of the pfdj
            I used too before but now my eyes are open , I understood that I was
            Working against the interest of my country ,and I was amazed by many Eritrean the love they have
            For their country,soon I will join them first I have to go to the embassy to apologize
            So Do you understand now,that all the WUDIT you had for our country has fell ,
            Go back to your Tigray you minister are gathering to beg their people because they have nowhere else to go
            You are a troll a frauds never again Eritrean will in your trap

          • Thomas

            Hi Natom Habom,

            Trust me, I tried so hard to understand what you were trying to tell me. I failed miserably:) Are you saying you were opposing the mafias regime not you are planning to surrender to them? You are not making any sense really. I think I could better understand if you would write you view in tigrigna.

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Thomas
            Because everything he said in the past about to come it was true
            Because he hold my peoples Eritrean without divisions,because he choose
            Secularism than the fail woyane that choose regionalism and religionalism
            He preserved the integrity and sovereignty of Eritrea ,
            And the most of all he never bow down to anyone what better to be proud off
            He is the light of Eritrea,the Crown Jewels ,may God preserve him from evils eye
            Glory to martyrs,glory to our people

          • Thomas

            Hi Natom Habom,

            I simply advice you to think about what you wrote above. I will try to make you think harder and please reread you comment from above again and see if you are making sense when you said:

            a)You trust DIA because he is living to his promises, everything he said turned to be true.

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Thomas
            All of these think have their own context but as usual
            Always try to measled ,why don’t you shut up for once and take care
            For you own business,this is Eritrean matter no one else business
            Stop trolling around it’s Game Over

          • Thomas

            Hi Natom Habom,

            Typical representative of the kunta kinte. Don’t forget to sing your weyane song:) Good luck with that!!

    • tes

      Selam Nahom Habtom,

      Can you accuse a slave for being a slave?

      I don’t know what makes you to ignore the cause of such despair? In the absence of freedom, humiliation overwhelms the majority. And now, you are playing with this humiliation card without identifying the cause.

      Just think one step back and then think what could be done to overcome this difficult time.

      tes

      • Natom Habom

        Selam Tes
        Yes you choose to be humiliated and to be slave ,can you see how Eritrean are rejected everywhere,
        I rather be 10 slave in my country than be sale in the market in 21 century .
        By the way the slave narrative has create in the west and the put this in our head ,
        They told us you are slave let free you like Hypnos we yes we are ,right ???
        I still feel a great shame when I see those great patriots.real slavery is in Ethiopia
        Look for yourself,

        • tes

          Selam Nahom,

          It is good for you to be 10 times a slave in your country. I bet you are not living in Eritrea. It is shame for you to say like this when you have no idea what a slave is under pfdj mastership.

          On the slave narration – it is in the bible and any other holy book. The west tried to apply the slave trade mark as it was written in the bible.

          Do not full yourself trying to tell me what Kenyatta said to the colonizers. The Bible has been in use since the 4thC in Eritrea and there were slaves since then.

          Do you know the word – Barya – it means – a slave.

          Rather be yourself.

          tes

          • Natom Habom

            Selam Tes
            I didn’t say the word didn’t exist my friend I said the narrative of Eritrean slave
            Was created in the west so it can suit them to interfere in Eritrean internal affairs
            You said you don’t know what salve is under pfdj?? Maybe you know better
            Can you tell me please ??
            And yes I live now abroad but still remember the past ??
            How bout you ,how did you been enslaved in Eritrea.???

      • Selamat tes and Natom Habom,

        Chiming in. I suppose in this “ms yeHwatt abb Hade bota: Ab mongo Eilal tSeweta” Hade Awel KalAyyti finjall bunn Abrehet anquiHatini behalayy iye ane. Ab Seleste ahadu iyya temequila Botolina. Our battalion was split into Three companies.
        On the occasion of Semonte Megabit, March 8thm and Eritrean Womens Association (Ha.Ma.De.A) 2^3=a BIT food for thought —
        Feta Cheese, Simsim TTAHini, Fava Beans, darga kitcha Fitfit or GeAAtt Tesmi continuously WeiniHareg was essentially our Chief Megabit. The Battalion, in total, was more like scaled down by a third of the lower range.

        “Battalion: Consists of 4-6 companies and can include up to about 1,000 soldiers. Commanded by a lieutenant colonel. Brigade: Consists of a few battalions and anywhere from 3,000-5,000 soldiers.May 17, 2017”

        And the lieutenant colonels were ZerEizgi, Fasil, and Zena. Seventeen, WeiniHareg, Jemal and Awet amongst us were The K-Telata Battalion first arrivals and founders. Jiref GelAA and SheTTA, Medeni, Gedaref, Port Sudan and Kessela were distributed the battalions that made up the Brigade. …. WaEla HadiQa K-Telata consisted of a joint KokhobtSibaH&The Red Roses. Represented by a dozen to a dozen and a half each. Simple arithmetic or extrapolation we can all agree on the educated guess of Two Brigades for a total of 10K.

        “Kemm gele kblu bshimki Handebet mss alAlukhi, Senbidu libeyy berrerre, Nayy Qedem tSota zekire…” Y.Barya.G

        The Third aHadu/Company was lead by MbraQQ who migrated to Minnesota. Martyred WeiniHareg and MbraQ were Twins much like Minneapolis and St. Paul.

        Speaking of The Saint, Professor Denmarkino my friend Paul could possibly utilize the “pedantic” descriptive word of the Segway to Nahom Habtom. NiOoOum Habomm. I noticed you misspelled “Natom” as Natom. Hence, Finjal bunn Jinhibil Abrehet Haftna anquiHatini.

        Twin Engines TWA, Lionel Richies “You are the son, you are the rain, you need to know I love you so…” looped X times squared it seems. Possibly the first full American phrase tSAtSE memorized. The Third mine… In ’78 10 K, In ’67 5K, in 2017 40K with compounding effect. I can attest to you that in 1978, 17 grew ti some klte Siso of ShiH zrebho Telata. From 1978 to 1981 continuously they did return to Hagere Eritrea as well as continuously we did migrate to the West. in 1981 Jemal, Awet, and WeiniHareg did join Hzbawi Hailitat for … tSAtSE …welllllll The Airlines, Ethiopian and El Al are depicted on the next article on this Awate Global…
        Natom Habom, reminds me of the ChiriHo “Natna aynihibn zeyy natna aynidelinn”
        Just Chiming in … onward to the Gains and Losses

        WitSuE, tSiQuTT, tSAtSE.. TerTarr AAkat Gorgurr Arkobkobay Aerodynamics Handesa… Cheretta mezgib Qalat.

        Abbu Ashera Weapon X – Evolution.
        AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40||A40 AcresMule

  • josef

    I actually find the pictures stupid and ridiculous. why? It is African people chaining themselves and marketing themselves as slaves.. no European, no israeli, or anyone… I remember growing up when I used to see the sign saying “Eritrea never kneel down” at every Eritrean festival. I am beginning to wonder we never “kneel down” because we flat on our back. You have to be half capable or have one leg up in order to kneel down…
    These fools are chaining themselves so European or Israeli can feed them?

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, looking at the pictures, it is sad to see in 2018. Stay home is the order of the day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNHkxOU7zz8

    • Selamat Nitric,

      On another thread Peace shared a Sudanese artist’s video. Try to listen to the verse: “ya Nurr al Einn weynek weynek inta inta?”

      You see the correct policy for African Nations is to go on a bidding war in order to reverse Africa’s Brain Drain.

      Educated Eritreans can lecture, start and lead new industries affecting folks to stay home in more ways than one. I will be glad to list a few should you or any progressive minded reader ask. Yes, it is best to try and discuss on what we find agreeable and where we are going right. As opposed to bickering and telling one another where we are wrong.

      It is bidding season utilizing megadictionry to define pertinent words. I don’t see why both Ethiopia and Eritrea should abstain in this Chereta for skilled and exposed pull of refugees. The refugees themselves should gladly take and negotiate for more for a return to and for Africans. Ethiopia and Eritrea can make it conducive environment to lure such vital human resource — by avoiding war being their first and foremost policy and effort.

      Do you know what the phrase means:
      “Ya nurra al Einn weynek weynek inta inta?”

      K-Telata ShiH, weynek inta?

      GitSAtSE 40||40AcresMule

  • josef

    It is not reverse moses… this more like we don’t want economic refugee and we want send them back…

  • blink

    Dear people
    Good picture if this was in the old times but this is not , Israel will not listen and these people will get nothing by picking in such stage . The only solution is to leave Israel as soon as possible because Israeli leaders are well adopted to such and they will not badge by such. Look at the palistinians, google about Gaza , read many actual stories and the you will know about Israeli leaders. It sadness me to see my Eritrean brothers in such situation and we can do nothing about this . Israel has the power to deport any one they dislike and they are ready to do it even at the cost of anything.

    • tes

      Selam blink,

      They may deport to show the world what happened to them in the 1940s. But it will hit them back. When Jews were massacred by Germany, the world condemned it. And they gave them a place where they can call home. It was a gift as a compensation by annexing from the Palestine people.

      And now, they are doing it to other people.

      I hope they will not do it, if they do, it will cost them a lot for centuries to come.

      tes

      • blink

        Dear tes
        No,no you made a big mistake sir, when the Jews were lined to death many Muslim leaders supported hitler and when they were on boats to save places many western ports refused to them for landing. The notion the world cared for Jews is pure lies sold by our modern human rights lopsided people. Jews and Israel as a state should not be mixed with our idea of criticism for the Lunatic Natayahu. I believe Israel is simply irresponsible because they have forgotten their own miserable past history as humans yet it would be a mistake to say the world cared for the 6 million Jews skeletons turned to soaps.

        Our problem must be solved by our own way that has to be center of this horrific picture in 2018. Issaias will trade if he wanted it badly for dollars,you know the man is blind for it.

      • josef

        Tes, you are talking non-sense to be honest..
        Israeli fight for Palestine and unfortunately they for Palestinian they took the land.
        Don’t blame the Jewish people for doing what they are doing… they don’t have accept economic refugee..
        The first Eritrean refugee to make it to Sudan was 1968.. that is 50 years ago and Eritrea continues to produce refugees.. at least in those days there was war… there is no war and Israeli have right to protect their country from economic refugee…
        As an Eritrean- it is better if the countries deport the Eritrean back to Eritrea so that they can finally deal with their own problem… begging other countries and living off the social program of other countries is not what independence..
        Eritrean mentality I think has normalized being a refugee..and begging internationally…

        • blink

          Dear josef
          You are 100% right as I am concerned. Any chance that can be done?

          • josef

            We need to start having honest discussion about our situation. I very doubtful of role of Gedhli generation in discussion not because they don’t have interest of Eritrean community.. I just don’t think they are very qualified..

            We need to start asking what exactly do we need to have or do as citizens of the modern world.

            It is very shocking to me how closed and backward Eritrean mentality is… I just ask a simple question to most government opposition or government official- “what is the effective policy or action that you have taken in last 20 years that have benefited or uplifted the Eritrean community?”

            I get a blank stare…

            “What are policies or action that you can implement in the next five years that will lead Eritrean people in right direction?”
            I get a blank stare…
            Talking politics has become a cultural social recreation.. I believe politics is about action, education, and policy.
            What does that mean? We need study our current situation and come up with well-researched policies… we need to come with 5 year plan, etc..

            You see Eritrea has never been civil society- in civil society you have stability and you can plan ahead and achieve goals… given our modern history we Eritrean collectively we are always are in state of emergency..
            Most of Gedhli generation.. all they have been planning is stay alive… this makes you very short-sighted and unable to plan and research and feedback and improve…

            I think article these are part of problem. “reverse moses”.. These type of articles only help the repressive regime and make these economic immigrants cause celeb-re..

            it should be titled:
            “European and Israeli society don’t want anymore economic immigrants”

            I believe the action of Israeli government is very intelligent because they understand that once
            the Eritrean make it Israel they are going to keep coming and won’t be return to their home country.
            And why should Israeli people pay and house and provide service to people who have their own country… you fought for independence to be free and they other side of Freedom coin is Responsibility.

            1. Talking Politics without real-researched action or critical thinking is farting

            2. Read for yourself and think for yourself… those we can read and think critical are blind in modern world.

            3. Focus on institutional instead of individuals…

            4. Continue your education and learning… some of most uneducated people I have meet in my life are Eritrean and least educated communities are Eritrean.. you can’t participate in the world…

            5. A good part of Gedhli generation have one problem “They don’t know that they don’t know” … it is not their fault they didn’t have civil society… or education.. Expecting a solution or answer from them is like trying clap with one hand..

            6. We should brainstorm and write an article titled

            “Why European and world shouldn’t accept Eritrean economic immigrants”

          • Ismail AA

            Selam josef,

            After reading what you have written with patience, I failed to separate the grain from a mountain of chaff. The only thing I could pick is that you seem to know a little of many things but you wanted to project that you know more than those poor members of the “ghedli” generation. But to be fair to you and who you might be though I would not dare to rule out that you might have potential if properly exploited would project you much more than what these comments exhibit you to be.

            Moreover, if you were to come up with mature and articulate thoughts about the matter you are complaining about, I think many of us would rally behind you unconditionally. You stated that “A good part of Ghedhli generation … don’t know that they don’t know”. Whatever the philosophical notion this embodies, you are suggesting that you know that you know; but I think you do not know that you do not know either. Knowing that what a person know is much less than what her/she does not know is knowing in its own right because aside from being virtue, it the point where humility and arrogance take separate ways where the former sets one on track to sources of knowledge and enlightenment.

          • josef

            Ismael, it is not about me or potential. I am pointing out which something very obvious based on Eritrean experience since 1990-2018… Gedhli generation might not best to build civil society.. and experience of Eritrean reflect that… what is missing in all the conversation is qualification?
            The most effective civil society are ones where meritocracy is emphasized and encourage and cultivate… so far what I see in Eritrean communities whether in Eritrea and diaspora is not drive for meritocracy but dinkrocracy… or there is no discussion about abilities or cultivating abilities…

          • Ismail AA

            Dear josef,

            It would have been helpful to me and many like me if you could be kind to introduce yourself a bit more than your comments portend. I mean whether you belong to post 1990’s generation or simply a critics regardless. The more I read what you write the more confused I became. I have no clue how 1990-2018 experience of the opposition in exile could be expected to build “civil society”, which a government ruling an independent nation could not do.

            To begin with, doesn’t building civil society require a space and freedom in a context of stable socio-economic state propped up by institutions under established system of rule of law? How do you relate this threshold requirements with conditions under which the poor “ghedli” generation operate? How would you appraised qualifications and competencies is conditions of ruthless and hermetic dictatorship on the home front vis-a-vis widely dispersed opposition in the Diaspora?. You are talking about big matters such as “meritocracy” and “dinkrocracy”, and cultivation of capabilities when you are not able to give them proper framework in which all of these could operate. By the way, I could not find what “dinkrocracy” is supposed to mean. Is it novel postulation of thought of anything?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Josef,

            Did you try “to build civil society” with your likes? If you did what kind of civil society? If you don’t, it means you don’t know what you are talking. If you don’t know what you are talking, then you don’t know that you don’t know. And If that is the case, you know what you have to do. Besides, take a note from the advice of Ismail, because he gave you some nuggets for grasping.

          • blink

            Dear Josef
            I don’t believe many will disagree with your most of numbers but I don’t believe in the hammer you are using against people who have done more than their share to creat Eritrea. I as principle and a stand always disagree with any one who blame the revolutionaries, it is a deep held beliefs that I am willing to defend their contributions. It is our own work that is left to do now, there is no way Ismael the guy below has to be blamed for our failures. Infact if there is any one to blame it is we and the few educated elite people in the west who worked for the man. It is not that Hagos Kisha is a fighter nor does he know how people fought back days . There are only handful people from the revolution time that are serving the dictator, you can actually count the few fighters who are really in a bad state historically.

            as you mentioned most Eritreans opposition oppose individuals and that was the case for 26 years, sad but true. Eritreans hasn’t really changed any and that kind of blaming can go rightly to people like Ismael for not working in teams or not defending their bravery so that Issaias would not take the revolution time credit.

        • tes

          Selam Josef,

          I think you are kind of playing with “Fire and Fury” – to use Trump’s ugly words. The Eritrean regime is accusing these refugees as “Regime Change Agents, and who are manipulated by enemies”. What fate do yu think these people are going to face?

          In the 1990s, Eritrean refugees wemt back home thinking that Eritrea became an independent country. And everybody knows what happened soon. And these same people who returned back are now refugees again.

          And, I am sure you writing this outside Eritrea. Please try to be objective and come out from bla bla.

          tes

        • Selamat Josef and tes,

          I see you have pulled back to the forum tes. Welcome and good to see you back to both, respectively.

          ‘what is the effective policy or action that you have taken in last 20 years that have benefited or uplifted the Eritrean community?’

          Exactly; “Where did we go right?” Perhaps all can honestly contemplate the question and provide an honest silent answere.

          tSAtSE

          • tes

            Selam GitSAtSE,

            Thank you but know that I am always around. As I can see, you are more Awatista than being TsaTse these days.

            tes