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Eritrean Janus Ethiopian Hydra

This edition of Negarit was about to be published when the tragic events in Libya, and then the Mediterranean Sea overwhelmed us. I delayed it for a few days to give people time to mourn. Here, I would like to commend the Ethiopian government for handling the Libya massacre case responsibly, and  the Ethiopian people for staying together in facing the tragedy.

At the outset, let me remind you of the way a traditional straw plate is made.

Starting from a point in space, a strand of straw swirls to the outside and stops only after the weaver is satisfied with the size. The curling strand gives the illusion that the plate is made of many circles when in reality it is a single, long strand of straw that curls around itself.

If you put your finger in the center and move it counterclockwise over the strand, you get the illusion that the circle is getting bigger and bigger until your finger reaches the edge. If you move your finger clockwise on the same strand, you end up pointing to the center. The weaver decides the size of the plate: if it is too big, it becomes redundant, if it is too small, it is less useful. The secret is to have a plate big enough to hold a full bread, Injera, if you like. I discovered that the straw plate is a perfect compass for our regional politics.

Problems are local, but as they get bigger, they cover bigger areas, just like the strand of the straw plate, and they are not local anymore.

Is the existence of IS a local problem? A year or so ago, most people would have answered in the negative because IS was an Iraqi and Syrian problem–no one would have imagined what IS did will impact our region this close. It has. This is probably a good time to put our finger in the center, follow the strand, and move to the outside. Politics is not local anymore; I will put my finger in the center, in Eritrea, because only then I can go to other places. Ethiopia, for example!

There is a contentious issue over which Eritreans have been bickering for the last 15 or so years; debates over the role of Ethiopia in the current affairs of Eritrea has paralyzed the justice camp. At the heart of the debate are two issues: 1) The presence of Eritrean opposition groups in Ethiopia, 2) The existence of an oppressive regime in Eritrea.

There are two more legitimate questions that emanate from the above and leads to legitimate debates: Should the Eritrean opposition stay in Ethiopia or not? Are they serving Ethiopian interest or Eritrean interest?

The Zorro Tribe

After what they went through, Eritreans should not be outside their country against their will. For decades, hundreds of thousands of citizens have been directly or indirectly banished from their country. Any debate should start from the basic questions: why are so many citizens unable to return to their homeland? Why are so many more leaving?

Unless one answers those questions, anything else is an attempt to trivialize the issue. Unfortunately, some Eritreans who masquerade as “opposition” to the regime have been dwelling on these issues for too long. Many Eritreans are denied the right to live in their country, and some elements masquerading as “opposition” want to deny them the right to live elsewhere. If they did, they must be traitors. That should not even be an issue, but they have an explanation: Ethiopia is an enemy! Then, so is the USA according to Isaias, the Eritrean Janus! Moreover, it follows, if Eritreans opposing the regime from Ethiopia are traitors, then Eritreans opposing the regime from the USA should be equally traitorous. And since the PFDJ considers half the Eritrean population traitors, no one should be required to explain why the regime must be removed. Eritreans have lived, are living, and will continue to live everywhere, particularly in Ethiopia, Sudan and other neighboring countries–hopefully on their own choice, not exiled or as refugees.

It is difficult to discern who is opposing the presence of the opposition in Ethiopia due to genuine concern, believing their presence harms Eritrea, and who is just peddling the PFDJ regime’s position. Who is genuine, and who wants to destroy the opposition to maintain the statuesque?

There is an absurd accusation that the opposition wants to overthrow the PFDJ regime with the support of Ethiopia. First, no Eritrean should be expected to apologize for wanting to remove the oppressive regime. Unfortunately, the Eritrean opposition has no leverage or ability to push a button and make Ethiopia invade Eritrea with the intention of removing the regime. It is also wise and prudent to remember that when Ethiopia penetrated deep inside Eritrea in the last war, no opposition brought it in. It came on its own. And it has done so several times over the last decade. It is occupying chunks of Eritrean territories. The opposition has nothing to do with all of that–the bleeding heart sovereignty people should make the PFDJ accountable for that disaster simply because only the PFDJ is responsible for the Eritrean predicament.

It’s obvious that there are Eritreans who have a soft spot for the PFDJ; they are intolerant of anyone who struggles to see an Eritrea that is free from the PFDJ abuse and its stains. Is misleading and manipulating public opinion by targeting the opposition, while the PFDJ continues to oppress the people, a responsible move? It is a deceitful political move no better than the Ethiophiles’ move to destroy the legacy of the Eritrean struggle.

The above are the issues as I see them. The rest of the noise that is sandwiched in between any of the above positions is an unnecessary fat that has to be removed.

What about Ethiopia?

So far, the Ethiopian government has not been a dependable ally as far as the Eritrean opposition is concerned. It’s understandable that one cannot expect an altruistic support from a political entity, but the Eritrean-Ethiopian interest requires (in fact demands) some altruistic positions. Nice words from respectable dignitaries do not go far enough to help the opposition get its acts together. The Ethiopian government is too obsessed with its narrow interest at the expense of mutual interests. Worse, there is a structural problem in the way the Ethiopian government handles the Eritrean opposition. By God, who is in charge of the Eritrean portfolio? No one knows, not even the major Eritrean groups in Ethiopia. What are the most common strategies? No one knows except (maybe) a very small circle of the satellites of the Ethiopian government who might have an idea if not the knowledge.

The Eritrean opposition groups in Ethiopia deal with a three headed hydra. I do not think anyone has a definite answer as to whom, among the three heads, handles Eritrean affairs: 1) the so-called Sana’a Forum that in reality is Ethiopia forum, 2) The intelligence agency that has wreaked havoc on the opposition, and 3) The Tigray government that deals with Eritreans as an extension of its militia forces.

There is no clarity of what the Ethiopians want from the opposition. Do they want their country to be the incubator of feeble, undependable, ineffective organizations, some with members not more than a dozen? Sure enough, most of the hallow organizations that were formed by intelligence authorities ended up in chaos. There are many stories that saddens and shames any Eritrean. And the cycle is rotating, still some more.

But why do Eritreans blame the Ethiopian government for their own weaknesses? Why can’t they do it themselves? That sounds a legitimate question or observation, depending on the perspective.

True, that is what many Eritreans are thinking about, simply because the alliance of Eritrean opposition groups with Ethiopia didn’t yield any benefit–neither for the opposition or for Eritrea. It has been a useless undertaking. However, the inability of Eritreans to do it themselves doesn’t absolve the Ethiopians of the damage they have inflicted on the opposition.

Just like in the straw analogy, I know that unlike the PFDJ, the mainstream opposition doesn’t believe in isolation. It does not believe in perpetual enmity and does not believe Ethiopia is an enemy. It is an ally. But they also are apprehensive that the Ethiopian authorities have turned the Eritrean opposition into a retail business, chercharo! Any Eritrean individual or opposition group should seek legitimacy from Eritreans, not from some officer who thinks he is grooming people for his king making projects. That should be an entirely Eritrean affair.

The Airwaves

A few weeks ago someone asked me why awate,com described Radio Wegahta as an Ethiopian station–many people also ask about that. I understand because many also Eritreans do not know that Wegahta and Salina are media outlets run by an Ethiopian agency and that they have nothing to do with the Eritrean opposition.

Radio Wegahta used to be in Sudan when its name was Izaat AlSharq and was run by the Sudanese intelligence under the cover of the Sana’a Forum. When Omer AlBashir tied the knot with Isaias Afwerki, alSharq was expelled from Sudan– packed and sent to Ethiopia, where it was reassembled in Mekelle and its name translated into Tigrinya, Wegahta, meaning AlSharq in Arabic, meaning the East in English, meaning the direction of sunrise, meaning Wegahta in Tigrinya! Very few people know the mission and editorial policies of Wegahta, or Salina, or anything bigger that may be in the works.

Ethiopia has the right to have its own radio station beaming to Eritrea,  and it runs Wegahta just like France runs ERENA, just like Germany runs Deutsche Welle, just like the USA runs Voice of America, just like Australia runs SBC. None of these are Eritrean opposition radio stations, they serve the interest of those who founded and fund them. Their engagement in real Eritreans opposition affairs is similar to the engagement of someone carrying a candle to mourn Eritrean victims. And we are guilty as accused: there are Eritrean suckers who couldn’t tell the difference!

There is a serious question: what would the Eritrean opposition groups lose if they packed and closed their offices and left Ethiopia? The answer is in the famous philosophical riddle: “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”

Ethiopia is a neighbor and will always be interested in what happens in Eritrea. That explains why it wants to have an impact on the state of the Eritrean opposition. Ethiopia is also an ideal location for the opposition to be. However, what did the opposition gain in its years of stay (I can’t confidently say operations) in Ethiopia? What’s the opposition stationed in Ethiopia doing, that those residing elsewhere cannot do? Nothing.

At times, one needs to take stock and evaluate the situation. In the meantime, we are left on our own, deafened by noises that attack the opposition using the above chaotic situation to promote the statuesque and bail out the PFDJ, for many reasons. These voices are intolerant of anyone outside the PFDJ realm, which they believe is their private legacy that they must keep intact, solely. And that is when the Ethiopian connection becomes a volatile issue. And that is why a group of Eritrean citizens has taken an initiative; they are preparing a document to meet and discuss the vague relations with Ethiopian authorities provided they are willing. The initiators hope to have a clear understanding of the relations to make it productive for both countries.

Finally, lets return back to the straw plate and move our finger from the center, clockwise, following the strand, we will not move our finger too far before we find Ethiopia very close. But careful, we need to tough the curling strand only to see the magnitude, not to tickle emotions.

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • Dear AMAN,
    I am among those who are monotonously the same and easily predictable. I write in elementary English, and my vocabulary is poor. I envy the fluency and the rich vocabulary of many, and to tell you the truth, I have improved a lot in this Awate University. Fortunately, this is a university where one can remain a student forever. There is no time limit, no graduation date, unless of
    course, someone behaves irresponsibly and he/she is discharged after several notifications.
    Now and then, I might say my mind, which some might not like. Right or wrong, in my opinion, this is the way towards peace and reconciliation. That is not hating Eritrea and Eritreans, in any way
    imaginable.
    Please understand that this is not really a complaint as such.
    Regards.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Ustaz AMAN,
    I think Gheteb can be accused of many things, but “…to fit his woyane Ethiopia?”
    If Gheteb is found to be woyane I think either the shock or the happiness will kill me.
    Are you sure AMAN? this is a matter of life or death for me.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Hi Amanuel,
    I am even more convinced of my theory now. I know that Amanuel Hidrat has been nursing grudges and using this opportune moment to get even. That is what I have suspected and here it is confirmed.

    ” Haile-Tg is very serious about the predicament of our people”
    Maybe he is, but the implication that is NOT lost to me is that Amanuel is saying is the fact that ‘Gheteb is NOT serious ‘about the predicament’.

    Let me tell you that I don’t think a person like you can make such kind of statements. Well, I am not going to say any further except to state that Amauel is in NO position to make such kind of statements nor does he have even a shred of moral authority to render such kind of statements. Imagine the hubris of man who is unabashedly working to advance the agenda’s of others (Weyanes), calling the involvement/interference of IGAD/AU in Eritrea’s affairs to have the temerity to classify other Eritreans political stands. Man, there is no end to the madness of this Falultie ( Falul) NOBODY.

    ” Too many times you alluded a condescending attitude like “you are not in my league” while there isn’t any substances in your comment pertinent to the predicament of our people”

    Yes, get it again, Amanuel. You are not only NOT in my league, you will NEVER be in my league for I am convinced of that more than ever now. But, I know you used Haile TG to avenge the hurt feelings ( you wrote an article about it). The substance that I am lacking in all my arguments is simply this: I REFUSE to serve the interest of others nor will I support the invasion of Eritrea by the IGADS, the AU or the Weyanes.

    ” I hope the debate with Hailat will transcend you”

    Transcend me to where, Mr.Amanuel? To understand your warped political view or change my belief that you as a Falulite that has mightily contributed to the demise of the ELF is now working day and night to advance the Weyane Eritrean agenda. Do you think I was born yesterday?

    ” Gheteb, other than the command of english, there is no any rationalities in his argument nor does he has the sensitivities to the pain our people are enduring under the worst tyrannical regime of the continent.”

    And, you are saying there is rationality to the call of IGAD and AU and Weyane to militarily interfere in Eritrea which I oppose wholeheartedly. Or, do you want me to join you in your effort in this Forum to conduct Weyane’s foreign policy by recruiting Eritreans to meet with the Weyanes through the back door channels?
    You call others Fifth Columnists when you are the very definition of the term Fifth columnist.

    Finally, let me tell you that let alone a Falulite nobody who is working mightily to advance an anti-Eritrean political agenda who has ZERO moral authority, I wouldn’t accept such fallacious and insulting remarks from any decent Eritrean.

    PS: I have exchanged/debated with Haile GT before, so don’t make it look like I don’t know who he is. Please, I have my own takes about him. See, you are like barrel is full of nothing but GRUDGES and the most motivating factor is revenge, and if you can’t use others to avenge you. That is all there is to all of your warped political outlook.

  • tes

    Dear Abi,

    I always appreciate your encoded words but only happen to understand them after you decode them. Despite this I understood what you meant by “Tesfayen” and someone I had a vagued image of what you meant within your coded message.

    What makes me wonder is how you are all ready to be a broker with human traffikers. The banker has no morality and ethics on how to get money as far as it is profitable. And I found you unethical on your brokery. Stop dealing with human traffickers please.

    tes

    • Abi

      Hi Tes
      We are having good time here . You are invited to Selam party. A lot of red wine Kim is already drunk . I’m still warming up. My HOPE is I will enjoy the party as long as there is LIGHT.
      In Amharic yeSelam party beTesfaBirhan.
      Thanks for coming.

  • teweldino

    Hi Abi,

    I was not expecting a double gold qinie. I actually thought about Tesfaye a couple times thinking that you were comparing Fanti with someone called Tesfaye – it didn’t occur to me Tes is actually called Tesfa-Birhan!

    • Abi

      Hi, Teweldino
      Sometimes you have to dig a little dip to find a better gold.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Abi,
    We can forgive Teweldino for this, but KH is another matter. After all that “yeminjar lij” akaki zeraf the other day he makes two mistakes in one as simple as a house hold phrase like “Tesfa.” Damn you red wine!

    • Abi

      Hi Fanti
      Kim can redeem himself by translating
      ” yalawaqi sami nifT yileqelqal ”
      You can do it Kim !

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi and Fanti,
        .
        Abi, I have learned my lessons well. That is all I am going to say.
        .
        Fanti,
        .
        No “yeminjar lij” here. Beabatem Bulga beenatem Bulga. About the Akaki Zeraf, I don’t even know how to begin. It is a well known fact that when it comes to Amharic usage the only people better than Gonderes are the Gojames.
        .
        K.H

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Kim,
          Bulga? If you had a chance to read my reply to you yesterday or the day before about Sine (jegninet yelushal yehe naw) you may be related. I tell you, this is karma. If I knew about your Bulga connection earlier I would have said “andande waldiba yezefenal” and forgive your only one time sin. We all have an ax to grind. You know. I have a friend here who drives me crazy with his “shekerker bileshe…” yashkerkirewuna.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti,
            .
            I got it. Sorry I missed the post. It is always a lot of work for me to go back a day or two from memory.
            .
            No I am not him (Sine). You guys are way too much younger. Native Bulges are few in number so everyone is related to one another. I think I will stop here before it becomes too boring for everyone else.
            .
            K.H

      • Amde

        Abi, Fanti….

        was away and you were having fun!! So Sorry.

        Anyway, having had to translate this saying (alawaqi sami nfT yileqeliqal) to many of my white American colleagues, I feel I am up to the challenge.

        “Not a good kisser – just a snot spreader”

        I even made it rhyme in English.

        Amde

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Amde,
          Not bad at all. At the rate Abi is moving I am definitely hiring assistants. You just went to the top of my short list.

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            Yes indeed Abi is on fire. I was in awe of his triple qnE , I move that we rename “semna werq” to “semna werqna almaz” if he keeps going this route. I will try when I can.

            I am in awe of teweldino too actually – not just for his drilling through the qnE ….

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            Dr. Sarah, I promise this is my last useless chit chat I will post for at least a month! (It is a long story Amde)

            Amde, you are right teweldino was amazing. Kim tried to interrogate him about his whatever he is hiding to no avail. What happened between them was almost an exact replica of what happened to me and a Kinijit friend of mine who had no choice but to ask for my help in extracting a lost secret file from his computer. I was impressed by his expectation of me to value our friendship over my political views. I got lucky and found the file. They were running out of time so he had asked me to print at least 50 copies for him. Since the data was corrupted, I had to read it to make sure it was all there, So I found one sentence that did not make sense in the context used so, to save him time I made two sets of prints; one as is and another “corrected by me” version. After thanking me for the effort and wisdom he says: O o! BeTam adegegnoch nachuh” (TPLFoch that is). If only I had a camera!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti,
            .
            Dr Sarah,her remarks…. you noticed it too. I am going to be a little reserved as well. I think she has a valid point. The Hayats , the Hailes, the saays, and the Burbanks should be the ones at the center of Awate. I know sometimes when tes, goes excessive with his Newtonian reactions I had to get in to set the record straight but even then when I see my name too many places I don’t feel good about it.
            .
            I always read yours and Abi’s (that trouble maker) remarks, no matter what.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            Dr Sarah has a valid point. However, we can’t focus on political matters 24/7. Consider it as a coffee break. Or smoking break for others.
            The way I see awate is like Awate regular and Awate light. Let the heavyweights discuss politics while the lightweights discuss anything other than political matter in the coffee break room. That way the heavyweights snick and see what is happening in the back room. Everyone has his own space to breathe without interference.
            I’m sure Dr Sarah is happy with what is being discussed in the main hall. So far, I haven’t seen her in the coffee room . I hope to see her in the book club reading for her student as has been the cas always
            Teaching is a life long profession. And some students require a life long coaching.
            They are ” taTbo chiqa “

          • Amde

            Fanti,

            Haha very funny… that is actually an amazing story.

            let me guess… he ended up using your edited version?

            Amde

        • Abi

          Hi Amde
          Actually, I did not want Kim to translate the proverb. I was telling him that he is a lousy translator. He failed miserably.
          How about if you translate the following to your ferenj friends.
          “Amed beDuqet sisq libu benefas wulq “

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            No ..No..No..I quit before you fired me.
            .
            K.H

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Gheteb,
    The purpose of this discussion can’t go beyond understanding each other, of course. So it seems it went well as far as it can go. You are always welcome to ask me questions on this or on any other matter you wish but for the exchanges we have had, I understand your positions to be the following:
    1) PFDJ represents the wishes and interests of the people. The oppositions don’t; or you don’t know enough if they do.
    2) You don’t endorse the war/conflict with Yemen.
    3) You do endorse the war with Ethiopia as necessary self-defense and you characterize it as Ethiopia’s aggression to undo Eritrea’s independence.
    4) You think the conflict with Djibouti is non-existent and fabricated.
    5) You believe TPLF/Weyane has always been, will always be against Eritrea’s independence.
    6) You thought PFDJ’s policy on Somalia is right and righteous.
    7) You think the Sanctions are unjustified and had nothing to do with PFDJ’s mistakes.
    8) You think the end purpose of conducting all-inclusive series of brainstorming meetings and grass-root mobilization the diaspora should be just to present them to the Asmara regime as a petition to consider them as wishes and wills of the public to consider them in its reform programs.
    9) You anticipate the conduct of a PFDJ congress in 2-3 years and you believe these kinds of solicitations and mobilizations would help to impact the agenda of that congress as citizens.
    If I capture them correctly, I will keep them as my reference note to use them in my future correspondence with you. You are most welcome, if I misunderstand any of your points as in content or context or if you feel like adding or expanding further.
    Thanks a lot.
    Hayat

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Hayat:
      I think you should refine this list, it can be a litmus test for PFDJ support, to ilicit hidden affection for regime. If you answer 5 of these questions in the affirmative your are PFDJ supporter
      This idea came to me when I read Mahmuday’s comment to Nitricc. He is acting up, I do not mean Nitricc, I mean Mahmuday. He thinks the EU money will help solve the youth unemployment and the youth will stay put as they will find affluence in Eritrea created by this money seems his salient massage
      The best money, the most astute investment in Eritrea is living the youth alone, they will create their own employment.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi Hayat,

      Look, I understand that you are trying to make sense in your own way what my stands are on issues pertaining Eritrea. I think it will be awfully difficult for you to summarize my stands in a mere one sentence or a couple of sentences as that will be nothing but a mere exercise in reductionism. I suggest you re-read the posts again, if got the time to do so. If not, keep my posts for your future references. The issues demands CONTEXT, CONTEXT and CONTEXT. Allow me to demonstrate by way of rendering one example:

      You summarized thusly the representation issue vis-à-vis PFDJ

      ” 1) PFDJ represents the wishes and interests of the people. The oppositions don’t; or you don’t know enough if they do.”

      Here is what I wrote on my post,

      ” Well, this issue as it pertains the PFDJ becomes an altogether different animal because the PFDJ is, for all intents and purposes, the first derivative ( de facto and de jure) of the EPLF. What is more, is the fact that, the PFDJ is smack-dab in the middle of the thicket that is Eritrea. Therefore, that accords the PFDJ to be relevant in representing the wishes and aspiration of the Eritrean people”

      If you read carefully there is an operative word that you seem to have either missed or ignored. The word RELEVANT.
      Now check how you summarized (1) and compare it with what is in my post.

      I don’t think I have succeeded in explaining clearly what these meetings/seminars of the Eritrean Diaspora is all about. That is my failure and I blame myself for that. Your understanding doesn’t reflect what the intent of the gathering are and what maybe the end result. Again, I see a huge misunderstanding and misperception here.

      All in all, there are some nuances that you have either missed or ignored. Therefore, I suggest you keep the posts or you can access them through Disqus or through other means. As I have stated in my last post, “de-contextualized” facts and statements have become the bane or curse in all discussions and ending up pigeonholing peoples political stands in the wrong column or box.

      Therefore, please do keep the posts in their entirety for your future references.

      • haileTG

        Selam Gheteb,

        I think this would be the right place to join in the debate*, if for anything else, at least Abinet can compare and contrast us to really make sure that we are not the same (or identical twins:).

        Basically, I followed your exchange with Hayat starting from your penultimate posting to the one I am responding to. At the outset, there is no pretention on my part that we don’t see eye to eye on “PFDJ”, but strictly viewed from point technical debating, you have put your views well (i.e. without attributing judgement to the content therein). I hope Hayat continues the debate, as my intention isn’t to hijack it, rather continue it.

        Your lengthy piece that pretty much promised “The future is Orange, the future is PFDJ” is in my opinion out of sync with facts on the ground. What is more, your ability to maneuver the concepts you wished to sell was left in a limiting limbo because you failed to utilize any tunes outside the spent PFDJ’s tonic composition – de-contextualization at its best.

        What attracted my interest in your post was what you stated you wish to achieve (provide context), and I was curious to see if you had the knack ad agility to pull through it. Unfortunately, you failed from the get go, by manifestly appearing to be confused of the notion of context in itself. Context IS NOT excuse, rather a part or sum total of affective and effective factors that are prevalent throughout the full span of what is included in your narration. The PFDJ regime may have one set of “explanations” to the current and past problems of Eritrea, the direct recipients of the ordeals could also have another set of “explanations” and finally third parties can have yet another set of “explanation”. These don’t amount
        to competing contexts, they don’t even amount to a verifiable context, full stop. These are just self-serving spins by some and a hit and miss account by others. If your intention is contextualizing the prevailing problems, what you ended up was claiming PFDJ’s tired old mantra as to be the alleged “context”. NO. The context to the current problems and hence proper perspective for evaluation is the reality that the regime has miserably failed to mend relations with regional and international actors, the country is careering down a spiraling refugee crisis, it is a nation that is effectively deinstitutionalized
        as far as justice, economy and politics and is run by the whims of a one man dictatorship, all its efforts to change opinions and perceptions have failed and against such CONTEXT what should one’s position be vis-a-vis domestic, regional and international matters.

        If your position for the way forward is an upcoming congress of PFDJ (assuming it actually exists), then you are lacking context to factor the reality in the ground. True, everyone is entitled to proclaim what the
        wish, but that really yields nothing more than futile exercise. What the way forward demands is daring and bold steps, courage to look at where we are and what awaits us, the capacity to offer something organically different to what has brought us here. The context to our current situations is not a page of
        narrative borrowed from PFDJ play book. It is rather what you see and hear in the ground, as we speak, here and now. The most critical failure of the supporters of the regime in Eritrea is their detachment from prevailing contexts, often forcing them to act in the most numbed manner. Talking context is their big No No, it is politics, is the work and design of outsiders, it is ill intended and untoward… and hence the only durable and reliable context for them is the regime’s “tailor made” explanatory narrative aimed at justifying the unjustifiable, defending the indefensible and acquiesce to its immoral bankruptcy.

        De-contextualization is something good to aim for, but it must be done from proper understanding of the term and its relevance around the issue of interest here.

        Regards

        * Thanks everyone for the warm welcome, and Mahmuday I am very humbled by the poem, just read it!! I shall update on “personal chitchat soon” 🙂

        • Malkai

          Mr. haileTG. You seem like a very reasonable person relative to most people here who are blinded by nationalism. I am hoping you can influence opinion here looking beyond PFDJ and PIA. The root cause of our problems, specially the highlanders is Ghedli and the whole scam. You are probably not ready to go that far but it’s worth looking into and uncovering the main culprit of the destruction of our union with our brothers and sisters south of Mereb.

          • dawit

            Dear Malkai,
            You seemed a late arrival to AT from the school of YG from Asmarino.com. The topic of Ghedli has been exhaustibly debated by great minds including HTG and others here at AT. It will be waste of time energy to dowel on that topic. Ghedli was an Eritrean creation in response to the abuses of ‘our brothers and sisters south of Mereb”, and Ghedli removed that abuse permanently by creating an independent nation Eritrea. The question today how are we going to govern our country and move forward, and not to look for the Ethiopianization of Eritrea.

          • Malkai

            Hi Dawit. Oh okay I understand. Thank you!

          • tes

            Dear Malkai,

            Well come to Awate University, a university that hosts all schools. I hope it will not be in contradict with your one and only one school of thought you have, the school of opportunisst, the YGistas.

            Wish you a good time here.

            tes

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Haile TG,

          1) You may need to start reading from the beginning: The Pathology Of The Eritrean Opposition Groupings et al to see all of it and not from the “penultimate piece”.

          2) Context and ”de-contextualized facts and statements” are used as applied here in understanding ones statements within the contexts (in a linguistic sense) and renderings that a discussant provides in understandings ones political stances and should not be the basis whether one is providing a proper context as you seem to be applying it in limning the situation or reality in Eritrea or how one describes the PFDJ or other groups.

          3) Please, I hate to see this exchange ( it was NOT a debate) reduced to a straw man type of an argument by making it to: “PFDJ is good” V. “PFDJ is bad”. No, the whole thrust of the thread was the POLAR opposite of that.

          4) Again, you have utterly misconstrued what I have said about the PFDJ upcoming 4th organizational congress. You seem to think that I have put all of my eggs in that very basket of PFDJ’s Congress and I think you got it all wrong. I was trying to flesh out by way of rendering an example.

          5) Finally, I urge you to read and read CRITICALLY from the beginning of this thread. You seem to have taken a deep DIVE headlong without first getting a firm foothold in the springboard.

          • haileTG

            Hello Gheteb,

            You have a point about points that I might have missed in your earlier entry. The obvious medicine shall be applied on my side:)

            I really need to take you up on the context issue though, because that kind of came across as important point to aim for based on what you stated. Now, consider a topic, could be any topic… something that would go as “..nutrition in the context of a cancer patient..” So, I understand when you say de-contextualized facts in this regards, one that doesn’t take into account the “cancer” condition. In other words, the facts are tailored for and responsive to the demands of the “condition”. Hence be determined as statements in with the said context. So, if you put into consideration the “condition” of Eritrea (unbiased and (holistic or non selective) data driven, i.e UNHCR, WHO, MIO, rights groups, WTO, IMF…, state strictures and apparatus, deinstitutionalized top down command network, lack of constitution, lack of recourse to justice and rule by decree, suspension of basic rights of citizens, such as right to assembly, organization and voting. Budgetary and state revenue accountability, separation of state from governing structures and rudimentary accordance of basic dignity to citizens as the right to burial, family visitation of incarcerated individuals and all the rest.

            None of the above are political, none are “PFDJ bad so and so good” type, none of them need external agency to consider as pertinent contexts. This what I meant when I said that those supporting (or at least appear to be validating) the regime’s standing need to marry their rhetoric with the contexts that are visible to the naked eye (rather than through re-focused lenses). If we are going to break the dangerous current internal and external stalemate, your point of context was great ides (as I understood it) except it needs to be applied with due diligence all pertinent facts.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Haile TG,
            Okay, if you want us to take context ( the overall conditions and all the objective realities as it pertains Eritrea, that will be kosher). However, you should also vouchsafe that it is also dialectically interconnected with the Horn region and the overall geostrategic imperatives of the sole super power.

            Still, I am at loss how you have so far missed my use of the term “context” and “de-contextualized facts and statements” as applied in understanding ones writings. That was how I have used it, but I concur that I am not saying we should look at things in isolation from what is happening in the grounds in Eritrea.

            Here, just to punctuate what I meant by context from the get-go, I will proffer a dictionary definition:

            CONTEXT: The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meanings.

            As I said previously, I don’t want to be saying “you may need to milk the cow”, while you may end up construing as if I was saying “kill the cow”. Clarity is of the essence here.

          • haileTG

            Selam Gheteb,

            haha..understood. But a one last time clarification before we move on to the big topics 🙂 Was your intended use of “context” to mean that the meaning of a term was taken outside of the context that you explained previously? If so you have a point and we can take my context discussion as a new angle all together. Somewhat I understood that you meant you were tired of people simply stateting facts without what you believed to be the right contexts as you based it on (such as TPLF never supported Eritrean independence, superpower conspiracy…). That was what I aimed for to tackle. So, if your answer is yes to the first question, we are on the clear.

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            I read Gheteb rarely as his famous lines are on TPLF issue. I have no taste on his political take and I never tried to reach him.

            But within 2 or 3 exchanges, you hit him hard to know where he is. He never talked about Eritrea and Eritrean problems. If he speaks, it is in support of PFDJ policies.

            Thanks again for punching those hard PFDJites.

            Good job as usual and now it is time to speak about Eritrea.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes, there was no debate or punching here. You may heard what you want to hear from HTG, PFDJ this and that but he got it all wrong what Ghetebe presenting as “context”- the intended meaning of words from his comment/post.
            Amanuel, if you have something to say to “PFDJ supporters” just do it
            please not cheerleeding others.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            I know when haile TG starts with haha… He has been here with us all time and he knows how to punch the PFDJ hard propagandistas.

            Gheteb has never debated here but vomit PFDJ propaganda. No one cared of him except few who endorse his propaganda. Unfortunately, you are one though your soft tones are good to make you a different PFDJ mindset replica.

            tes

          • Ted

            tes, i only endorse what is mine not yours or Ghetebe’s. There is no need to use labels or equating people as PFDJ/Nazi/ ISIS. When you do that you automatically removed yourself from constructive debate what could been learning experience for everybody.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Haile TG,
            Yes, that was my intention when I used the term context and de-contextualized facts and statements. I hope that clarifies this issue.

        • Hayat Adem

          Haile the Great,
          Thanks for gracing us with your return his Greatness.
          Now, the debate is in better hands and nothing delights me more than spectating.from a close row.
          Hayat

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Hayat,

            How can one understand what the ongoing thread to have been a debate? I wrote a post and you forwarded mostly questions and some comments. No counter argument were presented or I haven’t seen counter points rendered. It was an exchange so far.

            I have yet to see a counter proposal or a counter argument proffered. Otherwise, I still deem it as nothing more than an exchange or a superficial discussion and definitely NOT a debate.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hayat,

            Before you go on break:

            I was surfing the web looking for an inspiration to say something nice to you while you are “spectating from a close row” for all the major and minor things you have taught me especially about patience, principle, and sacrifice in the last few weeks and I found this paper:

            Principled leadership: Finding common ground among divergent philosophies. By V. D. Lopez

            These leaders do not need to consult best practices manuals or other
            flavor-of-the-month derivative “new” pathway to success. Their guiding
            principles are simple, timeless, and work without mystery or magic. They simply share the following characteristics:

            1. They put the interests of the institution they serve above their own self interest;

            2. They understand that character is defined by the small acts they perform when nobody is looking;

            3. They recognize that respect must be earned and nurtured over time but can be lost in an instant;

            4. They promote their people, not themselves;

            5. They take responsibility for their personal failures and for the failures of the groups they lead;

            6. They share credit for their successes with the individuals who made them possible;

            7. They are consistent and predictable in their decision making and in the exercise of their discretion;

            8. They strive to do what is right rather than what is expedient, regardless of the consequences to themselves;

            9. They do not fear making unpopular decisions and clearly communicate their rationale for making such decisions to those affected by them;

            10. They only serve institutions that do not require them
            to compromise their principles.

            Those of you interested to read the rest
            here is the paper.

            Thank you.

          • selam

            Dear Fanti
            Thanks for the gift (the book) , i was expecting you to put the Ethical Relativism too . That Ethical relativism issue is quite misunderstood in this forume. One of my close friends offered me this book long time ago and i told to a third person about the book .The third person told me i have to leave my job and serve in Vatican , in which i find his view still amusing. Still Banking is the money machine and i love banking.

            Happy labour day .

          • Mizaan1

            Selam, what planet are you in? Labor Day is September 7, 2015.

          • selam

            Dear Mizaan
            Do not you know , a banker ? Any one who work at bank knows what is labour day and i do not expect you to understand what i mean but i expect you to stay away if you are not here to make your mark. I have spent enough of my time with you. I do not like your cosy way of old hapits die hard. Get away from my space unless , you will find my middle sentence disappoint your beginning sentence.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Selam forgive him. Even the spelling are different. But we are talking about Mizan. Please take it easy on him. He is easly hurt lol.

          • selam

            Dear Nitricc
            Thanks , and i guess we can go along with the multi names but what i am confused is the buy me person from paris, can you see his arrogance to tell me data analist do not work in a bank. Do you think this person is ok. I mean specifically his arrogance is out of touch. Some times i wonder if he has a time table to be arrogant ! His arrogance is every where in asmarino independent .com and all over . What is wrong with him. Can i apply to an exchange with Fanti . I want fanti to be Eritrean and the paris guy to be some thing with , i do not know , i will ask KIM to help me buy him . I will pay his freight and even the value added tax(VAT). Because Ethiopia can afford to have him but not Eritrea due to our small number issue.

            TO MODERATOR please some times alow me to defend my self.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Selamina,
            That was hilarious! Only one problem though. Kim will not give me up for any amount of Tes, but you may try Abi instead. He is not quite sure what to make of me.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            Fantayen lemanim alseTim.
            Fantayen kemesTet tesfayen mequreT yiqelegnal .

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi and Fanti,
            .
            Abi, in case you missed it Mr. SAAY recommended we translate our Arabic, Tigrinya and Amharic into another language (preferably English) for a wider understandings. This time only I will try the honors, heavy lifting for you in the future. ( I am looking forward to your translation of : Angeten arerew.)
            .
            Abi’s 1st line.
            { I wont trade Fanti for nobody}
            { It is easier to give up hope than Fanti} ….real hope not our cousin Hope.
            .
            Fanti, I wont trade you for anybody else either, except perhaps…possibly ..consider Hayat. Other wise no deal at all. Fanti, sorry for even thinking about it.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. Kim,
            I can’t believe you did that. Don’t ever try to traslate jems like “Fantayen kemesTet tesfayen mequreT yiqelegnal” again regardless of what Saay said. I would rather be banned from AT than attempt such a feat. To avoid horrors like the one we just witnessed it is vital that we amend Saay’s rule as follows: Translate your non-English phrases unless the rhetorical effect would be lost by at least 50%.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti and teweldino,
            .
            I know, I know, It was a blunder. I reread it and I completely missed and messed it up.
            .
            The funny thing was I was warning Abi to be careful how he deals with Amharic sayings like “Anjete arrere” and messed that up too. It was like a high school kid trying to teach the professor. Therefore I will look forward to others to see how it is done.
            .
            BTW teweldino, don’t tell me you used to be Amahric teacher in Addis.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            Try to translate this
            ” balebet yaqelelewun amole bale eda ayiqebelewum ”
            Make sure Selam understand it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            BTW your post to Gheteb was excellent.
            .
            Are you kidding me, I am out that business of translating. As a sane person I will be looking for others to do the job.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH,
            Thank God! I think you just redeemed your self. I was going to say that please wait before you translate, so I can take three days off from AT.

          • teweldino

            Hi KH,

            I don’t want you to feel bad but I didn’t even complete high school in Amharic. Guys in my generation do not go to Addis to teach Amharic.

          • teweldino

            Hi KH,

            You have translated 50% of Abi’s poem and missed the better half ( the worq) forgetting his poetry is always semna werq (Gold & wax) . Here’s my attempt on the solving the ciphered worq.

            I don’t give my share to anyone
            It’s easier for me to give up hope than give my share

            [fanta = one’s share / turn / portion]

            Teweldino thinks Abi is still keeping Fanti G because he’s not a sharing type. Besides, he’s not happy with the price. If I was FG, I’d stop flattering myself.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello teweldino,

            No way. I am going to enjoy this to the last second. Unfotunately, it is going to depend on Kim and Abi whether Selam succeeds or not. If it was all up to me, I would trade myself with Ali-Salim let alone Tes. For me it is very simple. I just want to be where ever Selam is!

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            Just beautiful!!!!
            I also like to be where Selam resides. I follow her where ever she goes. If I get her I will trade you in a heartbeat.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey,
            I have a computer that does not register an up vote and it is driving me crazy. Consider this as such, and you can stop reading the rest.

            Amde,
            I will be back in couple of hours, and if you don’t see Kim by then (he is hiding, and I will explain why then), can you please come out say hello so that Abi won’t trade me away.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi and Kim,
            “Fantayen kemesTet tesfayen mequreT yiqelegnal” I love it! Isn’t Selam wonderful by the way?

            Kim,
            I knew you wouldn’t for anyone, but for Hayat? if you even hesitate on that trade you will be denying me and your country a great service.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            Selam is not wonderful at all.
            First, she has no idea that it is illegal to buy and sell counterfeit merchandise in ethiopia. She has to refer to Ethiopian Commercial Law in this regard.
            Second, her proposal will send us to war again. Why is she trying to outsmart us ? The values are not equal. Fanti with Tes ? One to One ? Really? The exchange rate is totally different.
            Amed beDeqet ?
            Selam, asmara tsbuqti, keep your hands off of Fanti.

          • selam

            Dear Fanti
            I am asking Kim to give me a favor , unless i know the value issue and difference is quite high. Kim is reasonably nice . I will lobby with the highest price . Come on this is bad time in the north, winter is coming , we need people like you to multiply on both sides of the wall . Or here is the proposal to Kim , Take me to gonder and i will be a fighter to make a very big union that tie Eritrea, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Mind you though if i find people like Tes on the way i will crash them to peices using smile and sheer force so that we can live in peace. Oww now i am being idiot so many people kill me.

            Abi asli , i am just asking help from my Generous friend kim unless i know it is not a trade based on equal quality. But i hope you understand i am asking this in a very difficult time for Eritrea.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Selam’ina,
            Don’t you worry Selamey. With daughters like you on the look out no amount of snow will ever freeze our houses. This is just a temporary drizzle.
            You know Kim is in a tight rope right now dealing with the all time unfair question most parents put to their children: do you love your father or your mother more? Almost always, both parents are present when they ask you this. Anyway, try your best and good luck Selamina.

          • Mizaan1

            aye selam. Ab kereba eki mechem. It was meant for humor because in the United States, we spell labor with no u and we celebrate Labor Day on the first Monday of September unlike probably the rest of the entire world, which celebrates May 1. Moreover, I was also self-incriminating in that I accused you along with several others that you were writing from the USA and in the USA, nobody recognizes May 1 as Labor Day and no one spells labor with a u. Are you still mad at me?

          • selam

            Dear Mizaan
            You know you and your far away relative in paris tried to make so much out of nothing and by engaging with you , i have tested your venom so many times. Now to check what is really humor about that? It is nothing wrong if you do not understand i do not blame you .but to find mr alpha like the person from paris is quite annoying for a person who was banned for 2 weeks plus 1 week extra for just going toe with such people. Now is it only your world? I mean i know USA, i am not some one from space. Labour day in japan is in november if you want the other definition for your humor.If the rest of the world has 1 may , so do the international world. When the anarchist, socialist were going to the streets demanding more wages , you was not born yet you have little of that history.

            To help you on your campaign trail to get Haile .T , i would love to help some campaign strategy from a chicago playing book. One of the Democratic party campaign machine was to test the difference in individual characteristics ,such as personality and coping style are the most important factors wether certain job will result in stress or not. In the same vein, some employers assume that stressful working conditions are necessary ingredients organizations must use to turn on pressure and set aside health issues to remain productive and get profit. What you and alike are doing is the mismanagement of a valuable asset. Liability in politics is bad when ever you do not know you have the liability issue. Assets are assets if they have good market unless they are just a paper value. I have asked you this question the first time we met , Here it is again , you Mizaan and old Gherhi , where do you want to invest your money? What are the present value of your asset

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            Data analsyist didn’t work with her and now she is back with her banker profession. All she is just a messed up foe selam=selam1.

            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Prof. Tes,
            I just had a revelation, and please bear with me before you stop reading.
            I strongly recommend that you and Selam start over and partner in everything that you do.

            1. Both of you love your country very much
            2. You are both “straight arrows” (brutally honest)
            4. You are both destined for future Finance ministry positions
            5. Your age groups are not too far apart
            6. Many complementary differences to list

            Think about it.

            Imagine if all Eritreans would start their discussion with:
            Haftey iya’mo kiseweala iye
            Hawei iyu’mo kiQaleselu iye

            eh bele Taf zihankete!

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            The respect and love I have for you is beyond my words. When ever I read your lines, I renew my energy and I love humanity. Nevertheless, I am not ok with your late revelation. If I am going to partner with that banker first and for most I have to drop my “weed’em-out” political stand. Now you can gues what my reply is.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Prof. Tes,
            I don’t know if I deserve it, but this is very generous Brother. Thank you.
            When I was young we used to collect these semi-circle cylinder-like magnets for the sheer pleasure of to try to connect them on the “wrong side,” on the side they repel each other that is. If you somehow succeed on getting them close enough toward each other they snap forcefully as if their existence depends on it and you spend an equal amount of energy to un-glue them from each other again. What I see among you two is an exact scenario of the above “opposites attract,” and I know it is a matter of time before you get close enough to be inseparable.

            I know I tend to idealize concepts here and there, but Tes, think about this: are we brothers and sisters only as long as we are both perfect? What I usually dream about is for us to be able to say “good or bad this is mine, and I shall try my best to make him/her better.” There is always a buried gold in each and everyone of our actions. It is a matter of digging deep enough to get it out.

            Enough philosophy. You better do something clever before she succeeds trading you with me. Before you say it is not a bad trade, think about living next door with Abi.

            Selam.

          • Ted

            Dear Fanti, with all respect i have for you, i will not trade tes away for the money in a world, he is a treasure, a precious rock in a pile of dirt. Selam has her reasons for the trade that he was acting like a bully criticizing every thing she writes. BTW, He can handle Abi very well since Abi is destined to live in Eritrea ending his love/hate relation.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Teddy,
            Anyway we slice and dice this one I am winning. Either my country gets Tes and I live with Selam or the country that I love very much (Eritrea) gets Hayat, Tesfa, and Selam and I live with Abi. How can I possibly lose? This is now between you, Abi, Selam, and Kim. I am totally reutral on this.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Selamey,
            Feres yebixiH’ber aywaga’en iye geyreya!
            Happy Labour day to you too Princess.

            PS:
            Mizaan can wait until September to be happy if he wants to.

          • Ted

            Fant, Holly moly you are one crafty man( in a good way). If i remember it correctly in a discussion about Hayat’s excessive support for TPLF(advice to tone it down), you said your friend understand Hayat’s argument more like as Ethiopian than Eritrean. Here we have it again to show us much you care for “her”. You never fail to amaze me.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello brother Ted,
            bHayaten Selamn aytemx’ani bejakha. kal’ot kemdilayka.
            By the way Nitricc has promised to give you a hand when dealing with Haile TG. I don’t think you will need it, but if you ever do it is out there. While I have this chance let me offer unsolicited advice I thought about on another post. There is one thing special about Haile you should know now. Normally people are divided into those who know nothing about anything, those who know a little of everything enough to hold a normal conversation, those who know one thing very well but nothing else, and then you have those whom I am going to coin Hilites: they know everything about everything. Get to know him first brother Ted. Whether you agree or disagree with him you will find out what a treasure he is.
            Selam.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hello Fanti Ghana,

            You know I don’t get into the chit-chat style of your exchanges that sometimes comes across, at least to me, like GOSSIPING. I am sorry to let you know that it ain’t my thing.

            But, here I can’t let this pass and I hope you won’t take like I am nitpicking and I am merely engaged in some futile hair splitting here.

            You said:

            ” …. Hilites: they know everything about everything”

            A person who knows everything about everything is defined as “Omniscient”.

            Let me see what I can add more here.

            omniscience – actually knowing everything that can be known. so, I have to ask you this: Since you are claiming that “Hilites” know “everything about everything”, this implies they also know about the future. Well, why don’t you ask the “Hilites” where Fanti Ghana’s Peace Wagon is going to reach in the coming two months. Or, when is peace going to reign in The Horn Of Africa? Yeah, Hilites know everything about everything.
            Omniscience is hardly a human attribute, but an attribute of the all knowing God. I am sure you are aware of that and I am not trying to lecture you here.
            The reason I have brought this up is simply to show you, wittingly or unwittingly, the negative role that such kinds of careless remarks plays in damping down the spirit of discussions/debates/exchanges. As if it isn’t enough that some here suffering from what I term as “Adult Infantilism” are showing all the characteristics of kindergartners in their playground taunting and cheering for two kids to get into a fight either through teasing and other means. And, here we see how much the some Forumers seem to be hankering to enjoy violence indirectly and vicariously.
            Heavens, even debates or exchanges are imagined as a BOXING RING, with spectators choosing their seating preference, either front or back rows; colors of the boxers picked for the boxing matches with Judges selected. I guess some may even start betting on the outcome of the so-called debates. I guess this Forum may even have handicappers to help in the betting process. Do I sense a sublimation of gambling urges here?
            The images that some Forumers conjure up is through and through VIOLENT. Some evoke imageries of a running nose; others of hitting and being hit hard. And, get this one even the creative one use the tomato to conjure up the red color of blood.
            Mr. Fanti Ghana, please don’t try to tell me that you were just saying all that in jest and facetiously, flippantly and tongue-in-cheek.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Gheteb,
            Let me try. But first let me say that you are absolutely correct on one important point. Our expectation should never be based on craving, subliminal or otherwise, to see a winner and/or a loser in any political discussion. This is not a contest.

            Some of us who knew Haile for sometime were too excited to see him back, and in our haste to welcome him we got lost in some of our perspectives. It started out innocently as “the great expectation” first and then attempted humors got in the way.

            I don’t know about others, but I am very lazy about what I say at AT. I almost never remember that there are thousands reading this posts.

            Gheteb, of course, no one knows everything about everything; not even everything about one thing for that matter. With all my flows I live for logic. My profession is based on a solid understanding of logic. In fact, most of my heart aches in life stem from my expectation of logical end to whatever start. So, under normal circumstances I wouldn’t get caught saying “someone knows everything about everything.”

            The truth is that Haile TG is very well informed about our regional politics with vast amount of academic and practical experiences. He comes up with relevant information in a flash about something you wouldn’t normally expect someone to remember or find that quick. He articulates ideas in such a way that is understandable by wide range of social groups. He does all this with an mistakable passion and love for his people and country. He is the ideal politician I always hope to see in our region.

            Gheteb, subtract all the silliness out from that brouhaha and you will see that we have been paying you the highest complement by comparing your political prowess with Haile TG’s. I just walk up to that. Hmmm.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana*,

            There is none to be complemented and to place hailet TG with this chief of PFDJ propaganda. If there is, haile TG is always generous to engage even for those with dead soul and this haile TG’s great respect for humanity no matter how polical stance they have. The good thing is, haile TG never fails to punch everyone hard.

            Therefore, there is no way to compare these two men. Haile TG is giant human being but Gheteb is just a programmed propaganda machine.

            tes

            *I don’t know why you are dealing with those human traffickers. the banker has no moral even to sell her own country mate. She is there to save money earned from selling kidneys and live people like me there. She has no other income.

            What I get disappointed with you is when you started to make a deal with her. Did you forget that PFDJistas are chief of human trafficking and kideny business?

            Drop that business brother. It is not of the quality we know about Fanti Ghana.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hello Fanti Ghana,

            Thank you for the reply and it is much appreciated. I understand what you are saying and I hope you know that I am/was not trying to make you feel guilty at all.

            I am merely trying to share with you what I have been noticing these days in this forum.

            Here are some additional observations.

            1) Tes has just this to say about Haile TG:

            ” The good thing is, haile TG never fails to punch everyone hard.”

            2) Here is Rahwa T making her prediction about the Boxing Match

            ” But she will be on Haile TG side, although she doubt if his opponent is strong enough withstanding the heavy punch. Sure that the fight will not go beyond three rounds.”

            In case you are wondering who the “she” is that is Rahwa T using the third person pronoun to refer to herself.

            Using these two examples and what I have picked up from Amanuel Hidrat and Mizan’s reactions, I have come up with a theory that may explain what could possibly be impelling these people to make such kind of statements and here it is:

            I think those who are making these statements are using Haile TG as a channel and a vehicle to express their animus and hatred of ‘Gheteb and are expressing their deeply held desire that Haile TG is going to avenge them for whatever ill will, slight, hurt feelings that they may have been harboring against ‘Gheteb.

            One last thing, please brother Fanti Ghana don’t feel bad about comparing me with this or that person or no need to make sure that I knew you were complimenting me. No need for all of that for I know myself and I am very comfortable under my own skins.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello and thank you Gheteb,

            I see it clearly Brother. Great ideas/debates should be seen as complementary but not necessarily comparable. If it is any conciliation it won’t take you long to see some of these unbecoming sentences are not emanating from “hatefulness,” but, perhaps carelessness. As you may have guessed by now, many of us here are too comfortable at AT that our guards are almost always off. You will need a lot of “sifting through marigolds” to keep your sanity here my friend. As Mr. Amanuel is alluding below by the so called “comparison” was meant nothing but expectation of a great debate, but, again, some of us may have been a little too careless on our word choices. If possible think of it no more Brother.

            For what it is worth I am honored to know you, and I know the invaluable contributions you are making and will continue to make to this great university in the days… years to come will be deservedly appreciated and will not be taken for granted.

            PS:
            No one knows this, but the first time I fell in love with Selam was when she called somebody
            “wedi’za lemanit.” How crazy is that?

            Selam.

          • Abi

            Selam , Gheteb
            I think you are misreading everyone. Consider it a holiday at Awate where the long awaited and dearly missed family member is back.
            If there is hype it is because of the Great Expectations to use Dickens ‘s words. ( I’m sure you have read the book or watched the movie. It is really good)
            It is a complement to be in a virtual ring with him. The last time we put a heavyweight with a featherweight in a ring , it was a disaster. Nitricc lost his tongue and his jaws and suffered a blow to his head. That is the reason for his dumbness. You can see he can not speak or think.
            Gheteb, this time don’t let me down. Bring your best. I’m happy you are here to show me the other side of the equation.
            Thanks.

          • Ted

            Dear Fanti, I know Gen Nitricc is going to be by my side if the Hilites decide to swing at me. Before i decided to join the forum i only skim over the articles and news not reading the comments assuming it is a bunch of opposition choirs hymning the same tune. And i saw Nitricc, battling it out what i thought was the lone ranger in enemy territory. His sharp NO nonsense comments immediately got my attention. It hit me and decided to give the lone ranger a break to be a punching bag. What i saw then was totally different story. The lone ranger was not really alone. People like Field Marshal The great MS took me under their wing to show me the way. I am glad i joined , you all are a pleasure to know.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello again Ted,

            The pleasure is all ours Teddy. I have an aunt who is out of this world amazing and one of her favorite metaphors is “kab Hanqwal fetawi QinuE xelaei yehabena!” So, I am always more attracted to those Awatistas with a clean and “No nonsense” personalities than those who are always careful and correct. I think it is just a personality trait in my part not necessarily right or wrong. Having said that, my intuition is that regardless of how much you agree or disagree with Haile TG it is guaranteed to be with pleasure. Speaking of MS, he is also another national treasure we are blessed with at AT university. In fact, there are so many great people here that eventually, you will stop counting heads. Welcome!

          • Hayat Adem

            His Fantiness,
            I really thank you for the lines. Or if I’m lucky, I’ll go for the book itself so that I try to get some of the ideas in there you generously thought they already are with me. Stay put being contagious of love and greatness to all of us.
            Hayat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Haile-TG,
          Welcome back brother. Good to see you back when needed highly and when we are flooded with PFDJ supporters. Gheteb, other than the command of english, there is no any rationalities in his argument nor does he has the sensitivities to the pain our people are enduring under the worst tyrannical regime of the continent. I don’t think he will challenge you in terms of substances and making rational argument on to the facs as to the need and demand of our people. One thing is good at sarcastic argument by devaiting from the context of the subject matter. You find it out in two or three of his responses. What I could say to Gheteb is, good luck to the challenge a heavy weight debater awaiting you – a well recognized awate forum has in its store. Not easy but worthy try to the challenge. Again, welcom back brother, and here is floor to exercise your highly versetile caliber expected as always.
          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,

            Was there a debate between ‘Gheteb and Haile TG? What was the debate about since I don’t see any? Or, is it all in your head? Show me the posts or comments where the debate has started?

            Haile GT has just started his comments about 2 or 3 hours ago and here you are making your own analysis and prediction. Man, you can’t wait nor hide to attack, belittle and denigrate those you deem to be your opponents.

            I would have suggested that you may need to grow up, but that would be an unachievable dream.

          • tes

            Dear Gheteb,

            You are right when you say there is no debate. Yah, you don’t debate actually as debating kills your very core message.

            Here you never debated propagated. Die hard PFDJ propagandista.

            I never cared about your politics as you have never spoken about Eritrean issues and I did because I know your closed mind about domestic issues.

            tes

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Tes,
            I have never considered you as a person from this planet, but as a denizen of some other supernal bodies. You know now why I have never responded to all the comments you have made to my posts/comments. It is all here in this Forum. Now, I am even more convinced to ignore, and IGNORE you SEVERELY.
            Please, if you can, DO NOT respond!

          • selam

            Dear Gheteb
            Ignore you SEVERELY is like giving Xerox’s copy machine to a boy who asked chocolate bar made in NORTH KOREA. Can you imagine to find a chocolate made in NORTH KOREA on the street of NY.

          • tes

            Hi Gheteb,

            I checked whether I was responding to you or not as per your claim as I do with others. And I found myself totally disenaged from you.

            The most recent response I did was before 19 days in support of your habesha political arguments.

            The second next most recent one was 2 months before and here is what I wrote,

            “You are 100% blind propagandista of PFDJ targeting TPLF. You are unique in this regard. A blessing for PFDJ for having you as their spokesperson. A lecturer with an MSc in the colleges of PFDJ junta and a visitor to the school of chauvinist as a distinguished professor.” under a topic http://awate.com/i-was-wrong/

            Then, see how I was evaluating you from the very beginning and how much ignored you are in my political stand.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Gheteb,

            Sorry for I didn’t edit my comment before I post it. The sentence that made you to comment and ask a question was the following: ” You find it out in two or three of his responses.” What I was trying to say was “you ‘will’ find out in two to three responses”. Stealing time from your job to comment here in between work doesn’t give you enough room to edit your comment. I know you didn’t yet started the debate. But I did know that you are exchanging to frame the subject for your debate. In short I was welcoming back to Haile-TG and at the same time alarming you about him that there is no need wordsmith with him, but rather substances and rationale mind. The public who will be the jury will watch you attentively.

            Your last sentence I chose simply to pass it for the sake of the debate every body are waiting.

        • Mizaan1

          Dear haileTG, you will quickly discover that this place is full of future wanna be dictators. Stay on your toes.

        • Abi

          Hi Haile
          I’m elated to be found dead wrong . Now we have two heavyweights in the ring.
          On the Redside Haile TG, on the Blue side Gheteb . Referring tonight ‘s show Saleh Gadi . Presented by Awate entertainment LLC.
          Round. 1
          Saleh Gadi:Salutations!
          To be continued by Teweldino….
          Welcome back champ!

          • Shum

            Hello Abi,

            In between the rounds when the bikini chicks, Rahwa and Selam, walk by holding up the numbers, can we hear some of your commentary and jokes? But please spare Rahwa and Selam, we already know Habesha girls have chicken legs.

          • Ted

            Dear Shum, with all respect i found your comment to be distasteful..

          • Shum

            Hello Ted,

            What did you find distasteful? I really wasn’t trying to be off putting, just joking with the idea of the forum discussions as a boxing match. I certainly hope no one took offense.

          • Abi

            Hi Shum
            Chicken legs ?
            I don’t know if you know this saying when it comes to a bad ” leg” in addis.
            ” sefed lay yeqomech doro timeslalech ”
            It is very chauvinist when it comes to the men.
            “Wend lij ena anbessa egru qechin new”
            You see, when it comes to a woman it is ” doro”
            However, when it comes to the men it is “anbessa”
            Translation will be provided by Saay.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Shum,

            You forgot that Rahwa is Habesha and a daughter-of-her-mother. She will not appear with bikini in public. She would always remind what her mother used to advise her. But she will be on Haile TG side, although she doubt if his opponent is strong enough withstanding the heavy punch. Sure that the fight will not go beyond three rounds.

            I know you were kidding, anyway.

          • Shum

            Hello Rahwa,
            Good comeback. Yes, I was kidding and it was definitely not a judgment of yours nor Selam’s character. But to be honest, Ted made me rethink my posting. I will refrain from using terms like chicks and potentially sexist material. I’m a man of peace, but I am a man of jokes first and foremost. I will tempter myself on the latter.
            Now, can you translate the Funny man Abi’s reply to me? I’m tired of him and Saay always asking someone else to translate things for them. Lazy bums.

          • Abi

            Hi Shum
            Everyone knows you were joking. You are not Ato Amanuel. Even Mahmud said he knows jokes. Tes , I’m not sure yet.
            Amanuel- memhiru
            Mahmud- wetaderu
            Tes -balageru
            Nitricc – girgiru
            Hope-gerageru
            Horizon- ambasaderu
            Shum-kuru
            Gheteb- ashebru
            Sem- kirkiru
            Saleh – astedaderu
            Saay- ashmuru
            Selam- mamit eshururu
            IA- gibir gebru!
            Translation provided by Fanti.

          • S.Tesfa

            Hello Abi,
            Cont…..
            Abi – Sem Na WerQ Negegeru
            Fanti – QumNegeru

            Cheers

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi hahahahah thanks for the good lough lol good one. Semere ==== Kirkiru is epic lol the right one!
            correction id needed for my man Hahmuday. instead of Mahmuday === wetaderu; I would like to correct you by suggesting
            Mahmuday ==== Liqe-memberu.
            Ted ===Comanderu.
            dawit==== Sniperu.

          • Abi

            Hi Nitricc
            Mahmud liqe- menberu? No way ! I have liqe- phobia. Like Guad liqe- menber Mengistu.
            I like your additions.
            dawit- EriTv reporteru

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello All,
            If there are any Bulga-rians in the house please observe.

            Amanuel the life long teacher
            Mahmuday the hero and Soldier
            Tes the modern Farmer
            Sem the seasoned lawyer
            Saleh G. Administrator
            Horizon Ambassader
            Ted the commander
            And dawit the sniper
            All beautiful in the eye of the beholder
            But you are never complete. Never
            Without Nitricc, the trouble maker!

            Shum the majestic
            Gheteb the hectic
            What a combination what a fabric

            Saay’s gold and wax
            IA nothing but tax to the max!
            Do you ever relax?

            Hope the blameless
            Selam the bratty Princess
            Your words are endless
            But I want more not any less
            Loving you is an easy process

            All of you in the crowd
            Don’t be fooled
            By Abi’s peacful word
            Look again, it is actually a sword.

            Oh! Fanti.

          • Abi

            Fanti
            What can I say ? You are just wonderful!

          • selam

            Dear Fanti
            I was not able to scroll down , owww fanti , i did not know the trading issues was going so long too. I will always read your poem. Abi poetry is difficult for me to understand as he is using local language and also i do not trust his intention.

          • Dear Fanti,
            A great poem!
            I thought I had lost the title a long time ago. Thank you a lot, anyway. It was given to me by Hope and then taken
            away by him. He was disappointed with what I said at one particular point.
            I consider myself naïve, because I believe in the Amharic proverb, “iwnetun tenagro bemeshebet mader”. (Abi, please correct me). I also believe that Ethiopians and Eritreans are people who like to strut and fret their hours, fools full of sound and fury signifying nothing, (just to borrow from Shakespeare’s famous lines). One can add on these ignorance and arrogance, modern terms. Sometimes I simply cannot get it, what they are trying to prove to each other, with their obsession for poverty, misfortune, war and death. Habeshas are indeed unique people, a uniqueness nobody I am sure would envy. When they can have peace, they choose war, when they can have prosperity, they choose poverty, when they could be friends, they are enemies, and while they could have been a great and proud people, they declared they are insignificant and irrelevant. Unbelievable! We are really weird.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Oh man, how wonderfull poem it is!!! I love it so much and it also enlightened me when I read about the banker, the bratty Princes. Now I understood why you loved her and wanted to live around. I will consider the deal then. Did Kim Hanna decide on the axchange rate? Negotiation is highly needed here. Abi should stay away as his brokery has fault lines.

            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Good Morning Prof. Tes (9:00 AM here).
            I am glad you like it. Abi put me on the spot yesterday. I had no choice but to call my Start Bright “bratty Princess.” Kim is taking Dr. Sarah’s advice of staying focused on important issues to heart. He is right.
            Abi is not going to let go of me after that translation above. He thinks my value just sky rocketed.
            Brother Tes, we will find our own ways, but take care of Selam for me until then, and I will try to find something clever to make it up to you. Actually, once you truly know her, you may even end up owing me a favor instead.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Fanti (The good custodian of Awatista family)
            Just to say thanks for the poem. I almost missed.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            I start from your last
            Fanti- fiqru aschenaqi
            Dr Sarah- astaraqi
            Kokobe- admaqi
            Hayat- ashebraqi
            Eyobe- lib adraqi
            Kim- hig arqaqi
            Amde-araqi
            Mizan- adamaqi
            Fnote Selam- Teyaqi
            Pappilon- tenafaqi
            AMAN- teraqaqi
            Operations 15- aseqaqi
            Haile TG- yelib Awaqi
            Ted- yeQera kis awlaqi
            Abi- asasaqi
            Qi qi qi qi….

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi you forgot the main character lol
            Hayat —– all time Fogari.

            Semere —– Ye Hayat Aqatari

            Mizan ——- yehuletum Asabaqi.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Everyone!
            Presented to you by Abi and translated by Fanti (God help us!)

            Dr. Sarah counseling
            Amde mediating
            Kokhob Selam Applauding
            Hayat Adem Sparkling
            Kim Hanna legislating
            Fnote enquiring
            Mizaan highlighting
            AMAN investigating
            Nothing goes wrong in the spring

            Papillon my sister and mine
            My oak, my flower and pine
            I hope every thing is fine
            Please come back again.

            Haile TG the born leader
            Welcome back mind reader!
            What is that in your fodder?
            It looks like love and care
            We love you heart and soul
            Your words are never foul
            Like an early bird and night owl
            Always a pillar for the big and small

            Eyoba are you still in June or July
            Is it April for you or May
            Never drizzle always dry
            You will roll or fly
            To make Saay laugh and cry

            There is no rose with out a thorn
            Thinking of you Op-fifteen
            My heart is torn
            I miss you with sorrow
            Like a piercing arrow

            Without Abi’s humor
            Life would be hard to bear
            Coffee with out sugar
            allways harsh always bitter

            Even if in Nakfa let alone a dollar
            Watch out for Ted the commander
            His tongue and fingers are too fast
            Please secure your mind and wallet

            My name is Fanti
            St. George and Melotti
            My love strong and conqueror
            Get closer
            It gets better
            And it is forever.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            Please translate for me, zeyti felto xerfi darga derfi eyu niay.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Selamey,
            anti gwal, zengi diKhi wuHiTki? Look down below for my almost Shakespearean level translation of Abi’s peom.

          • Abi

            Selam, Selam
            You have reached us after office hours. We are open Monday to Friday 9:00am-5:00pm pacific time.
            For emergency purposes please call our toll free number at F-A-N-T-I .
            Really, Selam? How do I know all this Tigrinya?
            Fanti, can you help? Thanks

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I do not need to call , we are balance now. I lately understood that , it is not summer time in your head. Leave fanti he is Eritrean. You can just call Ghebrerkirstos .

          • selam

            Dear shum
            relax , bikini is a multi billion dollar industry and chick is just a word you use when all of you , i mean men talk about us . We know it. It is not that much bad . Can you imagine men waving flag at the ring , that would be boring to watch.

        • Haile WM

          Welacome back Haile TG !

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Hayat, that is a great list and it could be a baseline from which people could be judged where their heart really lies. To me Isaias has summed it all up. There is nothing to reform which means no change is necessary. What we have is great. All we need is hands off from TPLF and America and all will be well (lift sanctions). Bronwyn confirmed this. This is the mantra of IA, PFDJ, their supporters and sympathizers. Institutions are not necessary. They are just there to obstruct us from our nation building process. Due process is not needed. Heck there is no due process anywhere anyway. nikid tray. nabey entebelekas n gedel.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Rejoining/Replying To Hayat Adem (HA)
    Hi Hayat,
    Let me try here if I can shed some lights on the queries/comments you raised/made on your last comments.
    (1) I am not sure if I understand you correctly here when you posed the question whether “the Opposition are irrelevant in representing wishes and aspiration of the people in value terms?”
    It will be thoroughly presumptuous of me to maintain and contend that “the opposition” are irrelevant in representing the peoples wishes at this stage because I don’t have anything to base my claims on. I think it may depend on how the opposition my end up reconstituting itself in the future. But for the ‘here and now’, as I said on my previous comment, it will all depend what those congregations/meetings/seminars of Eritreans will throw up (produce) vis-à-vis the Eritrean opposition groups. Well, this issue as it pertains the PFDJ becomes an altogether different animal because the PFDJ is, for all intents and purposes, the first derivative ( de facto and de jure) of the EPLF. What is more, is the fact that, the PFDJ is smack-dab in the middle of the thicket that is Eritrea. Therefore, that accords the PFDJ to be relevant in representing the wishes and aspiration of the Eritrean people.
    (2a.) Do I endorse all those wars/conflicts of Eritrea with neighboring states in its short life as a nation?
    For any rational person, I think, all wars and conflicts are unnecessary, if and only if they can be avoided or nipped in the bud. However, some wars or conflicts are hard to forfend or avert as for example when a country is invaded or it has to engage in self defense. I think your query is that if I endorsed all those conflicts? My answer, ingenuously (frankly), is NO, I didn’t. The conflict with Yemen, it didn’t go well with me. I deemed the reaction/overreaction of the Eritrean Government to be very precipitate. When the border skirmishes between Eritrea and Ethiopia flared up, it never crossed my mind that it will blow up into a full blown war. That was in the beginning, but with time, my views evolved and I knew right then and there what awaited Eritrea is nothing short of a war that is going to put to test its very own survival as a nation.
    Believe it or not, I was in Eritrea in 1998, end of May to mid July of 1998. My feelings or readings along with those I was constantly talking to (some of whom close to the power centers of the GoE) was that there will be some sort of a resolution to the border skirmishes sooner than later. Well, that hope evaporated into thin air when the Ethiopian Air Force attacked Asmara. I was in Asmara in those days and I knew right then and there, that a Rubicon has been crossed and that war is going to dictate its own logic, and Eritrea is doomed to wage a defensive war for its survival. After the bombardment of Asmara International Air Port and after the declaration of war by Ethiopia on Eritrea, I have unreservedly supported/endorsed Eritrea’s defensive war efforts.
    Now, you maybe wondering why I am talking about all this that may come across to some as pure superfluity. Well, I am trying to render CONTEXT here. What I have come to learn as the biggest impediment that has plagued all discussion from moving forward is that we all seem so inured in pounding out and offering “de-contextualized facts” which doesn’t do much in terms of elucidating an issue at hand. Here, what I am trying to say regarding the Ethio-Eritrean war emanated not because of Badme (Baduma), but its origin is in what is called “The Antinomy Of Thought” of the Weyanes regarding the issue of ‘Eritrean Independence’, which I have written about the first thought in my post in which I contended that “The TPLF didn’t support Eritrea’s independence out of principled conviction”. The opposite or contradictory complement or the obverse ( the antinomy) of that thought, I may say something some other time. So, as regrettable as the loss of 19,000 lives of Eritreans in the war against Ethiopia ,well, I wish it was avoidable, but it wasn’t.
    (2b) My take on Somalia/Al-Shabab/ Djibouti?
    I don’t know if I can say much here. Regarding the case of Somalia, I think Eritrea’s role was /is paramount because of simple fact that there is no one in East Africa that the Somalis trust more than Eritreans and Eritreans for the most part are highly indebted to the Somalis. Hence the desire to see a unified Somalia and all of Eritrea’s endeavors to help in resolving its problems. The GoE stand, I believe, emanated from this firmly held conviction. if I remember correctly, the EPLF was mulling over sending troops to Somalia in the hope of stabilizing the country, but the EPLF polit-bureau nixed the idea. EPLF’s stand that the Somalis should be the main actors in solving their problems was echoed by PIA’s piece that appeared in The Washington Post in the early 90s. Now you are saying why is this guy is telling me all this stuff? I am telling all this to show that I don’t believe even for split second all the allegation that has been levelled against Eritrea’s support of Al-Shabab. Eritrea supported The Islamic Court Union for it offered some hope of ushering a unified Somali polity.
    Regarding the Eritrean Djibouti conflict, sorry to say this, I consider it to be nothing but a by-play in the sense that it was/is a secondary action to the main action ( Ethio-Eritrean) that has been proceeding since 1998. I firmly believe that Eritrea and Djibouti can resolve their border issues amicably with the help of a neutral third part, if and only if, Ethiopia and Uncle Sam would keep their distance.
    (2c) Sanction and Isolation Of Eritrea.
    The writings on the wall here regarding this issue are quite legible. Eritrea being sanctioned or being in isolation is primarily the result of the combined work of The United States Of America and The Ethiopian Government that was astutely accomplished. Ethiopia goaded Uncle Sam and the latter wielded all its influence to make sanctioning Eritrea a reality and, concomitantly, its isolation. Here geopolitical calculations by the only World Super Power and realpolitik neatly dovetailed with Ethiopia’s “Eritrea Agenda” and Eritrea yet again finds itself ‘sanctioned and isolated’.
    (5) Allow me to say a bit more about the end-result of all the meetings/seminars and what it may hopefully produce that unified vision to be presented to the power to be in Asmara. You think that the “effort to be futile and doomed, leads to a dead end” and you even say, “forget it”. I believe that the situation is a bit nuanced, complicated and is not as white and black and urge you to consider the following:
    I — The EPLF which was led by out-and-out Marxist-Leninist Party, didn’t abandon its ideology and opted for a more open political outlook because Issaias Afeworki woke up one day and decided to do so. No. A lot of pressure were brought to bear from the EPLF base and especially from its Diaspora based Mass Organizations. The demands that were made for the EPLF to do away with its left leaning ideology and it incrementally accrued to result for the EPLF to adopt a more liberal/nationalistic political outlook in its second organizational congress in 1987.
    ii) — All the efforts by the G-13s and the G-15s failed to achieve their desired goals not because what they were demanding to see improved/reformed within the PFDJ were meritless or invalid. The main reason, inter alia, for their failure was the absence of grass root support and the fact that there was nothing to indicate that it was the effort of every Semere, Hayat and Amanuel that engendered them. Once that a proposal has all marks and making that it was a product of masses based political endeavor, the PFDJ will no other choice but to take the proposal seriously.
    iii) — I am not spilling any beans if I tell you that the PFDJ will be holding its 4th organizational congress within the coming two or three years. As someone who attempts to read PFDJ tea leaf, I think the coming two to three years are affording us a small window of opportunity to press for and present a ‘unified vision’ and let those in the helms of power know what the common Eritrean is thinking and aspiring for. It is all about timing and not missing a beneficently favorable time to maximize the chance of effectuating some badly needed changes in the Eritrean body politic.
    (6) You are saying why, again, have you brought this proposal at this time and why were you not interested in them earlier?
    First, let tell you that the train for this proposal has already left the station as meetings have been going on since the past two months. The reason why I have not brought them here, honestly and you have to take my word on it, is because first it never occurred to me that I needed to do so and also because the last post I wrote about the Eritrean opposition groups concentrated my mind on the issue of ‘what is to be done’ to resolve the problems of Eritrea and the way forward.

    • Ted

      Dear Ghetebe,once Gen Nitricc said the PFDJ people won’t leave this earth(they are old) with out sorting out the mess cluttering in side and out side the country. It has merit in a sense unlike tes and Semere, i don’t believe it for a second that PFDJ people are enemy of the state who rule the country with tight grip for sake of power or entitlement ambitions rather they took it up on the demand of the Eritreans to safeguard the nation at any cost, hence suppressing freedom and justice to accomplish the demand. Now the time has come the people and the Gov to know the freedom of the people has to be restored. Some are skeptical that PFDJ won’t give the power back to the people, i have that doubt too but as the people with tremendous leverage on the Gov, we cant relay on the generosity of the PFDJ to hand us the power. As you said it well, we can demand it forcefully ” Once that a proposal has all marks and making that it was a product of masses based political endeavor, the PFDJ will no other choice but to take the proposal seriously.”

  • dawit

    Dear Mizaan1,
    Well Mizaan Abay I think you must have lost your Mizaan some where. The lady was asked about the health of PIA a subject that so many people who are enemies of Eritrean people and government are obsessed with, fabricating daily his sickness including his death and she responded to that effect. She replied he was fit and healthy in her opinion like a young man of 50. That must have shocked many enemies of Eritrean people who wish PIA’s death. Had she said he looks sick and feeble many would have beat their drum jumping up and down with joy. Why is that a news about the good health of PIA give heart attack for people like Hayat and Mizaan? That must be some kind of sickness! The Lion is roaring right now in the palaces of Saudi Arabia, he looks fit like a fiddle!
    Yes Eritrea and Ethiopia were the best of friends until TPLF betrayed Eritrea in 1998 and ignited a border war. Can you deny EPLF gave a piggy ride for TPLF to Menelik Palace? Didn’t Melese visited Asmara every other week, to brief PIA in his activities? Can the world deny that Judah was a disciple of Christ, just because he betrayed him and plotted to kill Christ? I think on that point you are the one that need to dig your history. 100K demobilized? Well according to the propaganda of UNHCR stat, there are 3000 Eritreans crossing the border most of them young people who were supposed in the National Services which means 150K+ do your math. Again that statement seems to shatter the ‘Indefinite Conscription” propaganda campaign of Human Right cadres against Eritrea.
    There is only one group in Eritrea that is fighting and seeking justice for the Eritrean people and that is PFDJ. The rest so called ‘Justice Seeker’ are paid agents who tried to use it to topple the legitimate Eritrean government.
    UN sanction good for Eritrean people? That must be a thinking of a person who lost his/her Mizaan!
    dawit

  • tes

    Hi Araya,

    PFDJ in the making of new terrorist group aimed at disturibing the horn of Africa. He sponsored Al-shabab meetings and now is sponsoring G-7, a possible future terrorist group.

    tes

    • dawit

      tes why do want to lie, just because you hate PFDJ. It is a public record that the Asmara gathering of all Somalis was the only prospect they had for Somalis to re-liberate their country. Where did you get your fact about PFDJ sponsoring Al-Shabab? In that gathering Al-Shabab was the only group that did not attend. Lying is not good for your health, you will get heartache. Watch ERITV to learn how to speak the Truth. Those individuals who will gather in that conference are the intellectual power house from the region, they are accomplished highly respected individuals. Shame on you to call them ‘terrorist group’!
      dawit

      • tes

        Dear dawit,

        Observing only Eri-TV is killing you. Anyway, Somalis came-out divided from their Asmara meetings and AL-Shabab’s absent is one from such developments.

        The same also holds true with G-7 and few other attendants of the recent Asmara meetings. Ethiopian opposition groups residing in Asmara are divided more than ever in their history. G-7 is now an official terrorist group. Ethiopian constitution and political atmosphere didn’t reject them but rejected it for the satisfaction of their extreme political agenda. G-7 is even known for his extreme intolerance to Eritrean independence.

        Sophia T. as usual is in her tyranny mission. Professor Asmerom is trying his last trial after he failed terribly with the Oromo profile he built for more than 40 years.

        Elias Amare is a puppet living in Asmara.

        Are you then calling these dictator servants power house of the region? Shame on you as usual. SHAME!

        tes

        • dawit

          Dear tes,
          I rather die knowing the truth than to live wrapped with lies. Somalis arrived divided in Asmara, they were united in Asmara and divided again when they left Asmara. You are still lying about Al-Shabab’s origin and development.

  • Millennium

    In my opinion what Bruton said was more believable than what most here try to have us believe; as a matter of fact, those that are writing against what she said are the ones that are exaggerating. The narrative that Eritreans are engaged at a multifaceted war for the very existence of the state is true.

    she was right when she said Al shabab was turned into the terrorist that it is now by the actions of the Ethiopian government with the support of America

    she was right when she said Somalians believe it is Ethiopia that is playing a spoiler role in their country

    she was right when she said the sanctions are unjust and they were based on false assumptions

    she was right when she said the anger of Eritreans against America is justified

    she was right when she said the leadership in Eritrea is a servant leadership though heavy handed

    she was right when she said that America has unjustly sided with Ethiopia while Ethiopia still occupies territories legally deemed Eritrean

    she was right when she said other Africans claim they are Eritreans when asking for asylum because of Europe’s open door policy for Eritreans

    She was right when she said the country has managed to show some progress on health care and agriculture despite the threat of war against its existence.
    She was right when she criticized America’s policy towards Eritrea needs revision.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Millennium
      Thank you! I am not surprised the Semeres and his woman and the mizans to come down on this honest woman. I am not. When you are paid to do something you do it, it is your job. When you have no commonsense and you suffer from low IQ; you can’t help it but tag along with whatever other people say. And when you are wishy-washy you can’t even hold on to your nick names; no surprise there.
      Why is it; any good news of Eritrea sends this people to the ditches? They are in for a long depression because the good news is to keep coming. Eritrea’s problems are behind her. She managed all sabotages’; conspiracies and she is —–here intact!
      Eritrea forever!

      • Semere Andom

        Nitricc:
        This is goo news only if you are retarded with maladjusted brain. Are you believing one foreigners than the thousands of Eritreans fleeing their country. According to you Ethio is in bad shape why are Eritrean going there?

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Bruton,
    You are an amazing woman. Many analysts said al-Shebab was a terrorist in no different way than al-Quaida was. alShebab itself declared allegiance to al-Quida officially. Bin Laden advised al-Shabab to slow and wise-up its attacks, that it was going too much into hurting innocent Somalis. Even by al-Quaida standard, Shebab is extreme. But in 2009, you said Shebab was a local political force that represented local aspirations and that its tactics go extreme because bullying nations like Ethiopia pushed it to react extremely. President Isaias also said that there was no terrorism in Somalia, there were only political conflicts. You are odd couples as much as you are not. Some people noted your growing grievance on being rejected after you submitted an application to be appointed or hired as an advisor to the UN Special Envoy on Somalia then, Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah and they believe you’ve been bitter and bitter since then. It seems as though that is your main drive behind all these cadre-level testimonies. Remember, there are ways you can be bitter about anything without putting your integrity(if there is one standing) on the line.

    In your recent visit to Eritrea, you told us about the many good things that are happening in the country now. President Isaias spent three whole hours talking to you. What were you talking and doing all these hrs if dancing and partying were not part of it? One thing that puzzles me about his excellency is is how he is generous with his time while his old bottom is sitting on the top of so many hot problems the nation is facing. He spends 10+ hrs of a week for dull and boring EriTv series of interviews. He spends three hrs talking to Esat journalists. He spends 3hrs talking to Elias Kifle. He spends hrs and hrs leading dusty convoys touring villages. When he his supporter asked about his work time out of worry that he might be overworking, he said “in fact I love sleeping a lot. I sleep 9rs a day”. Ms Bruton, knowing how he loves his sleep too much, I can imagine the three hrs he gave you have been slashed from his work schedule. But the President’s one quality is that he knows how he makes people work for him. While he is sleeping, talking to EriTv people, to Ethiopian diaspora activists etc, there are always people working for him 24 hrs. All the wedi Kassas and wedi Kishas are just doing that for him for a price. The national servitude kids are doing it for him for free. And his 3hrs with you seem to be wisely invested as you are doing it well for him here, (can’t be cui bono).
    You told us you had a good time with him picking up his brain while being charmed by his charisma and fresh perspectives. You almost ruined the moment by asking one unnecessary question. “I made a big mistake” was how reported that incidence to the VOA journalist. It must have stuck in your mind to say it that way after days passed since your meeting with him: “What was I thinking? How dare I asked him that?” You even meant to express compliments for the impressive improvements made and not to pose a challenge. But even that was too much to your host. So this was the one-away last straw that angered him: “how are the reforms going in Eritrea?” Bad slip of tongue, very unpardonable at that! That is why even by hind sight, you are saying that you made a big mistake and that you almost ruined the day. Okay, it doesn’t sound that bad but your host was thinking of its implications. He is a man he has or had never been wrong. So, for him, there is no reform. There is only a continuation. (Hey, Sal, flash news for you, your PFDJ, is unreformable, non-reformable or…. it is a self-updated and adjusted party.)
    But one other thing you said didn’t sound wise. It didn’t look good on you. President Isaias looks 50 now? OMG, what was what Ali Abdu said about him before he said something else against him: he breezes on his knees as though he were 16 yrs old!!! Remember, the undoctored camera pictures can tell us how looks like, talks like, walks like. You, yourself are 2 before 50. Does he look nearly as young as you? The thing here is this: if you can exaggerate and lie willingly about such non-mattering stuff, how can we even believe you even 50% of what you said? And I’m not talking about the facts and information pertaining Eritrea here because most of us here are more informed on the issues you were talking. I’m talking about your intentions here. If one willingly exaggerates, the intention ceases to be not about sharing personal perspectives and experiences with the intent of informing well. The intention is to dis- and misinform.
    Shame on you, Bruton.
    Hayat

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Hayat, the excerpt below sums up the entire thing. It is between minute 16:45 – 17:40 in the audio. He reflects the views of the entire organization and there is no one in that organization that would disagree even remotely with this. So reform what and by whom? By force or willingly? If reformers were to use force, why not go all out for weeding out and start fresh because they will not be reformed willingly as they are saying ‘if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.’ IA speaks for all of them. To reform PFDJ is to invite civil war because it can only be done by force. But in the end, the solution lies elsewhere than reforming or dismantling PFDJ. I will elaborate another day.

      Bruton: I asked him (IA) about freedom of the press. I made the mistake of asking him about
      reforms that were taking place and he didn’t like the word reforms very much.

      Carol Castiel: And why is that?

      Bruton: Because in order to reform you have to have done something wrong.

      Carol Castiel: Which he doesn’t admit he has done.

      Bruton: (rather sarcastic chuckling), that’s right. But that is a small little thing. I am putting it out there because it is meaningful in terms of understanding the frame of mind in Eritrea but what I think is important is that there is a process of change that is going on there. For example Eritrean officials said that they have stopped indefinite military conscription policy. They say that they have demobilized quietly without anyone knowing it 100,000 people in the last year. They say that only 5% of the people in the program have been there for more than 18 months at this point. I suspect the release of all those people maybe one of the things that is driving the outflow of refugees from the country.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mizaan:
        On Bruton’s interest: there are many foreign journalist who are interested, BBC was for over a decade, but they were not allowed, the fact that she got it easily is a suspect. Just because is foreign does not mean she is not PFDJ supporters. A decade or so ago one gun totting senator wrote in support of PFDJ. Also I do not think she is a professional journalist.
        We also do not see her audio interviews with IA and others. So take that with grain of Salt. She also said one stupid thing, IA and MZ had disagreement on the independence of Eritrea that is false.
        About demobilizing:
        Well, there is no proof for that and if they did that they would advertise and brag about it endlessly. Even if that is true how would that increase refuges, will decrease it, unless they do not trust the government that they think it will call them again, then maybe they are doing it to appease the west. She was called because she was friendly and will not say bad about PFDFJ, but it has to admit the religious persecution to appear balance because she cannot deny that. PFDJ allowed BBC and installed minders who were lying about the containers because BC is a professional organization that will dig deeper, so they restricted them.
        remember Cohen’s bringing Eritrea from the cold, you cannot trust everyone just cus they are foreigners Her assertion that IA looked 50 was out of this world.
        The fact that PFDJ will still be in power doe snot prove support of people, does prove that they are doing good. She was irresponsible when quoted PFDJ verbatim about the economic growth and education. You cannot say that there is huge economic growth but then tell us the refugee is of economic in nature. Like a teenage she was just by the road and dams and maybe she is not being smitten by thugs.

        • Mizaan1

          Dear Semere, I am not sure if I could have been more critical of Ms. Bronwyn Bruton. I said all of these in one paragraph and I think she would find my comment more of a migraine and Hayat’s simple headache:

          she needs to dig deeper and analyze the situation from all angles

          Her project should be to visit the refugee camps in Ethiopia for example and ask the people there why they fled the country and if they would come back if there was no national service

          The refugees left for seemingly economic reasons only but it goes way beyond that

          Economic hardship of an entire society is a direct result of a flawed political system, macro economic policy,foreign relations, and above all people’s freedom of expression and movement.

          Bruton started on the wrong footing

          I am not sure how she can retract and find the truth

          You can see how flawed her approach is

          She should have started at the refugee camps and went to ask IA, ‘well the refugees told me this and that.’

          I was much more impressed with the two journalists asking Bruton than her portrayal of IA as a youthful guy. melake mot zimesil sebaaysi. wey gud.

          • Ted

            Dear Mizan, who is having migraine here. The lady said her piece and your likes are sick to the stomach. By now you should have learned the tide is changing, brace yourself , the worst is yet to come to make you curl in your bed for days. For years it was your kind of news making you ecstatic slandering of the state of Eritrea.

    • tes

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      I don’t know why you give this coward lobyst such of your golden time. She should have asked herself why he gave her 3 hours first of all? She is just a puppet and only serving her own greedy interest.

      Nevertheless, you are so kind to her, at least you tried to reason out her cowardness.

      tes

      • Nitricc

        Dear Tes. What time is it in Paris? Lol it didn’t bother you about Semere’s woman writing garbage 10 pages of it but you are bothered by a president who tries to explain his position to this screwed up world? What is wrong with ignorant people? Just yesterday you where calling her a killer and all names yet today you are kissing her behind because she attacked the most honest white woman we ever heard talk?
        You are useless; worst than Semere

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          You know tes still has his Newtonian bombardment capabilities, don’t you? Having said that I was shocked too. I had to go back elsewhere to make sure I am dealing with the same character. And it was.
          .
          Nitricc, I have a good explanation for you. I think, finally Hayat got to him. Epiphany. That is why she and very few gifted people never give up on people. They will use every angle and persuasive techniques to enlighten us. They are teachers by destiny, they can’t help it.
          .
          I have a vision, one day in not a distant future, Mr. Nitricc, himself a new convert, will write a page and half praise of Hayat Adem……….ask forgiveness…
          .
          K.H

          • Semere Andom

            Hi K.H:
            Well, things some time are debated issue by issue, Tes always liked HA except when he was carried away with the Ethiopian role.
            Well, about Nitricc here is my take
            HA is smart, tough, articulate, polite to a fault, she reached out to Sal, to Gheteb and even to Nitricc, she feels bad about Nitricc has her generous brains cell donation did not work:-)
            Even Gheteb started debating her, he had too, I know he is smart and he cannot squander the value of Hayat. Sal is still koriyu with her :
            Hayat is a gem in this site and the ganging up lead by Nitricc was unfortunate and low
            Hayat, just like Jacob, who fought with God and refused to let him go before he blessed him, she will not let you go until u smarten up, She has been called all nasty names, too long to list, but never did she go to that low, Hayat is an epitome of an Eritrean woman, the real ones who glued ghedli together, got degraded. Hayat is fearless, an emblem of this site, she is a woman a human being of her own. Nitricc will never apologize to her and praise her, Tes is different, there is no contradiction when he agreed with HA about the interview of this PFDJ lobbyist. Nitricc maybe annoying to many but is danger for himself.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear KH,

            Nitricc, will praise Hayat and even ask forgiveness? this must be the first mistake you have done in your life. what do you think Nitricc makes unique ? Lol, how many truth was shown to him? He may try to find a group somewhere even reformers but never think he will come to say I have been in wrong side. it is better to say PA will say “ካብ ተሞክሮና ተማሂርና ኣለና ” and still will continue and do worst,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kim; hahahah
            “I have a vision, one day in not a distant future, Mr. Nitricc, himself a new convert, will write a page and half praise of Hayat Adem……….ask forgiveness…”
            Well when the day I do that then you know “Samintgna shiee” is upon us. Lol, you thought me that. Anyway; I think you got it wrong. What kind of person wants to talk to people who don’t want talk to you back? You see, it is all business. If you run a business no matter what, you put up with what ever the customer is putting you on. That is what she is doing. She paid by how many people she engages and by how far she introduces the fear factor. You know like her favorite words; civil war, Ethiopian attack, disorder and the death of Eritrea. To me, Hayat Adam is nothing but a useless TPLF paid agent and if other people wants to talk with her; well that is their choice and let them waste their time.
            Having said that; it could be worst; you could be talking to Semere Amdom.

          • tes

            Dear KH,

            You will be shocked because you are not reading my lines. I disagreed with Hayat Adem only in one point and that is her call for an open intervention. I reacted for this using my Newtonian Law. She knows it perfectly where we differ critically.

            The other issue that I may differ is on historical analysis. But I am not sick of history. History can be analysed differently for different reasons. For Hayat Adem, her all historical analysis is based on her call for an open Ethiopian intervention and to bless it she has to create an environment.

            The same goes to Semere Andom. I disagreed with him mainly on the status of sovereignity definition.

            Therefore, read my lines to absorb what I say. If not, I care less if continue to be shocked.

            tes

    • dawit

      [from the moderator: dawit, always begin your comment with salutation]

      Just with one interview the lady Bruton shattered the 15 years coordinated campaigns to tell the world that PIA as irrational drunken dictator and Eritrea the ‘Spoiler’ of the Horn of Africa. I wonder why you are so bitter to write a ‘toilet roll paper’ criticizing the lady just because she described PIA as a highly intelligent person. You really need a heavy dose of watching ERITV to cure yourself from the deep depression that you experienced from a single positive news about PIA.
      dawit

      • Semere Andom

        dear dawit:
        lady Bruton made full of herself when she repeated pfdj lies verbatim in her anguish to be different , investigation will reveal she is a paid lobbyist -, but what would anguished souls want more than a foreigner to repeat their lies that they have perfected. Do not worry, this will not last, you guys will not get inspired by this, it is just like an invigorating hot shower that will soon, when pfdj does something stupid, like massacring teenagers. What would you say then, let me guess dance

        • dawit

          Dear Semere,
          Where did you get the News that PFDJ “massacring teenagers”. Let me guess, it must be one of your ‘Seber News’ from ‘The Awramba Times’ or ‘Tigraionline’ ok voice of hasewti (Assena Radio) , then it must be 300% lie.

          • Semere Andom

            dawit
            I did not sy PFDJ massacred teenages, I am predicting it will massacre teenagers and also I am predicting it will be couahgt on video and I am predicting you will dance to it

          • dawit

            Semere,
            Sorry for my mistake, I didn’t know you were the prophet!

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    What is wrong with some Ethiopian groups and their political rhetorics ?
    Are they remained stuck and froze in time or is it any other syndrome ?
    The reason I brought this to the fore is that when they define and describe
    Eritrea or its political developments; they usually or more often refer to the
    past realities of the politics of its peoples and their struggle. It seems that
    they have no understanding that the works of organizations and the politics
    they represent or promote is like a geometric progression time function which
    seizes the prsent realities and aspires to define and manage and guide the future.
    Most often, I see them stuck in the realities of our Armed struggle and the political
    rehetorics of us of that time or era. Even at that they have incoplete picture and data
    to describe the realities and situations of that era adding more trouble to their attempt
    of describing and understanding Eritrean politics or Eritrean society.
    Because, I often see them misunderstanding and unable to describe our past,present
    and future political,social & economic goals; and try hard like someone just woke up
    from deep sleep to describe us by our past. There surely is a time gap/Lapsse here
    in understanding Ethiopian realitiy and politics by some groups and individuals who
    remain frozen in woyane, Dergue or King HS era times and realities all things of the past
    now in their resting place – the grave.
    I brought up this issue just if AT can help me and others what do about it seeking some
    Advice. Should we or should not we explain it to them what and why our Eritrean political,social
    and economic needs and goals are or were at different time eras ? And why they seem to be
    changing or different to outsiders ?
    Just seeking some Advice from AT or Readers !
    Yours Truly,
    AMAN

  • teweldino

    Hi Ted,

    Josef Frizl was not a child molester. Please google the story and you will find a lot of similarity between the man and the group of people who have been enslaving their children’s generation.

    • Ted

      Hi, teweldino, i googled it, “Austrian Child Molester, Josef Fritzl, Gets Life” no other similarity whatsoever except the 24 yrs PFDJ’s objectionable rule of the country.

  • ‘Gheteb

    To: Awate Moderators
    Ref: Issues on Moderations About My Comments to certain Forumers

    My response to a comment by Hayat Adem which was a response to my post “The Pathology Of The Eritrean Opposition Groupings et al” is held up for approval after it was posted 11 hours ago.

    ” ‘Gheteb Hayat Adem • 11 hours ago Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Awate.”

    Similarly, my response or comment to Semere Andom’s post entitled ” Do Not Be Fooled BY the Softer Tone! is also pending after I have posted it more than an hour ago.

    However, my response to Nitricc’s audio link was posted automatically without moderation or being in a pending status.

    Here I see that there is a hugely gaping discrepancy that I am totally at a loss of reconciling. I am totally in the dark about this and I hope you will advise and clarify if there is anything that I am unaware of or what is it that “I am standing accused of ” .

    Thank you in advance.
    ‘Gheteb

    • Nitricc

      Hi Gheteb; the forum god is telling to communicate just Nitricc. The other two, you are trying are telling you; they are waste of time lol
      No,Gheteb; it does that once in a while. It is a glitch; it will or it will not show up but Moda has nothing to do with it.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Nitricc,
        I wish it was only a glitch as you are suggesting, but I think there is more to it. In the past 48 hours, two of my comments/responses to Hayat Adem has been removed/deleted. I think, we need to await what the Moda or the Awate Moderator has to say.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Cousin Gheteb;
          While you wait for moderator’s response here is my response to
          I do engage Ted, albeit sometimes heated debates and punches. But I do not trust him, he is one of those with softer tones;-)
          The statement “engaging Nitricc” is almost an oxymoronic figure of speech. But it can be done if works on the assignment I gave him to increase his “wohayotat”, pun is intended 😉
          If you dissect my reform talking appoints, it is basically giving PFDJ a rob to hang itself, weed themselves out, a poison pill, if you will. And I am certain they will not do these: eliminate the slavery project of NS, release political prisoners and so on. Their idea of reform is basically stabilizing themselves, not making any meaningful reforms. And when that happens that is after you are disappointed by PFDJ in their reform, I hope you will say “sela Allah Aleyhi wo selem saidnna Semere.” 😉

          • Ted

            Hi semere, why are you afraid handing them a rob, it cost less and you don’t have to ask somebody else to spill blood. Last time you( called me a rookie in the same post) posted the case against reform by saying people had tried and failed in the past(G15 veteran fighters) and G13 ( intellectuals). It is true some people had tried but i don’t consider it as reform movement since they did not a represent or consulted the mass. I see reform movement to be entirely supported by the mass(you and me likes) as one, addressing our concerns ,outlining or demanding alteration or improvement of the rules the Gov/PFDJ uses in the country, of course without political or twisted agenda attached to it. There is no known platform(party) to do that as far as i know. There are three groups.
            1)Yours(Ethiopia) dead from the start(15 yrs and counting) where you have invested to much to let it go, we haven’t given up on you;)
            2)Eritrean problem by Eritreans, these groups are better than yours but are more activist than political parties. They are waiting the West to do something about Eritrea by petitioning for sanction and whatnot to weaken Eritrea.
            3) it is us( i am sure you know us) the silent majority who despises 1 and 2. who are ready waiting things to settle down to demand reform. When we ask it, it will be so loud your Meqelle office will tremble and when we done with them, you wouldn’t recognize the new Gov,

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            I said and still main PFDJ cannot be reformed, please understand context. That is stand. My last point did not say PFDJ will do it, I just said these are the true reforms and pfdj will not do that as it know it is rob to hang itself
            The so called silent majority again? to me it is useless, the thing in in silence and if they talk they are not silent, please do not just throw aphorisms that have no meaning.
            I have not invested in Ethiopia not a dime sir, I am talking about in principle there is nothing wrong with help from Ethiopia and when it suits them Ethiopia will do it then u and pfdj the big mouth can do nothing
            stop from twisting words if u want engagement. I never asked someone else to spill blood, I asked the since Ethiopia will sooner or later do it, it is better to do it sooner for their interest and we can capitalize on it.
            There is one fact, glaring one, Ethiopia will have a say on how pfdj dies, it is too big and successful not to have that power, but am not saying they will exercise their say openly.
            Semere Andom’s theorm 1: pfdj cannot be reformed , it will take the country down with it, it will purge some people under guise of new blood to consolidate its power while the oldest blood, IA will be circulating in its system.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Semere,
            The change needed in Eritrea is clear. We need to change the one-party-rules-forever system. PFDJ can’t reform itself on that. We need normal rule of law where crimes and law violations are dealt only at courts, laws are written by people’s representatives.
            PFDJ will never allow that. Eritrea must redress past wrongs against citizens, There are people still suffering in prisons, innocent citizens who died in prison outside the law. PFDJ will never address that. Eritrea must allow pluralism and free media. That will happen in the moon as long as there is PFDJ ruling the nation. Eritrea must demobilize yesterday. Eritrea needs to stand down on militarizing itself and seek power of influence through norms, cooperation and trade.
            PFDJ is wired up for so many weird things Eritrea can’t sustain. Eritrea must harmonize her regional interests with the regional powers, and her global interests with the global powers. PFDJ lacks basic knowledge and minimum behavior for that, too.
            I’m not sure what Ted, and cohorts are thinking as to which part of the needed change/reform can be achieved involving PFDJ. The other day, you were under fire for saying how PFDJ resembles ISIS in the kind of crimes it committed against its own people. Can you hope to reform ISIS? Can you reform ISAIAS just because he has a difference of one more vowel in his name?
            Hayat

        • Nitricc

          Gheteb; sure we will wait but trust me; AT don’t play games. if they don’t want something; they tell you. trust me on that one. i know them from experiance lol.

  • Semere Andom

    Do Not Be Fooled By the Softer Tone!
    Dear Awatista
    How times change and how we forget quickly. It was just 2001 and the slightest misgiving about PFDJ and its government and the country it helms would result in abuses and insults of “Agame”, striping ones inalienable citizenship. When demonstration was called 5 people would show up and the jeers and feisty shouts from the PFDJ supports would drawn everything, Sometimes the audacious demonstration by the handful opposition members would end in blood shed. In Toronto the ear of a PFDJ supporter who confronted the demonstrated was severed.

    Now, the tables have turned, the PFDJ supports are the “agame”, the traitors, and the sellouts and even if their parties are still sizable many come to socialize, to experience the feeling of the old country and culture. The PFDJ supporters have been named and shamed, Saleh Gadi must be proud, he called to name them and shame them over a decade ago. We even refer to them as organ harvesters her eon Toronto in their face, their response is wield their cameras and take pictures to report to PFDJ. They were forced to cancel their fund-raising function in the last hour several times here. We intimidate them; they do not intimidate us anymore. So for those claim the opposition movement has nothing to show for, think again. The Opposition collectively, but working separately have succeeded in identifying what PFDJ truly is to the world. But credit must be given when due, we were helped by PFDJ and their criminal mind set, their propensity for all the wrong things. Here in Toronto, their general consul was unceremoniously dismissed and their consulate given last warning. The opposition members worked both openly and clandestinely to make Toronto once the fortress of PFDJims without sentry.

    As it has been said many times, the fight against PFDJ is a fighter between a mafia group and nationalists justice seekers, the PFDJ will put up a good fight and rightly so, it is their lively hood that is at stake. So we should not be fooled by this seemingly underdog state of PFDJ. They have changed their MO, they went clandestine, and they are using the proven method of “wohayosim”. They have stopped being the bullies and are flirting with civility, arresting conversation and even sometimes mildly criticizing the government of Eritrea, they invoke the need for change, for reform for giving the youth breathing space. Jus like their former friends in TPLF, PFDJ have in principle accepted the changes that need to be done, but failed to implement them because of “national defence and security concerns. They have billed themselves as the sole custodians of national security and territorial integrity”. They will debate about justice and then they slip in the security angst and call for reforming PFDJ instead of weeding them out, it is safer for national security they say sheepishly. So, we should not be fooled by the softer tone, their lip service for justice. As the old Eritrean goes: like hyena they are limping until they are ready and once they are ready they will strike with vengeance. But deep inside, they are still criminals who will stop at nothing to completely control every aspect of Eritrean life, no matter the toll their actions may take on the people the country.

    Reform if truly implemented can work but not the reform the PFDJ has in mind.
    Here are reform points I forward for discussion.
    0. Release all the political prisoners immediately unconditionally with a dossier of the violation that happened to them and an official apology letter signed by the boss and a pledge for compensation
    1. Immediately stop the national service and implement the 18 moth period
    2. All money owned by PFDJ must be handed to the national bank of Eritrea
    3. Account and take responsibility for the political prisoners who have died in prison officially to their loved ones and publicly to all Eritreas
    4. Quickly draft political party laws and allow unconditionally all parties who are pledge to abide by these laws
    5. Make the 1997 constitution the law of the land until it is amended
    6. Declare the date all these reforms are annoced the true independence of Eritrea to replace May 24
    7. Make May 24, an Eritean holiday when Ghedli defeated the Dergi, just like any other victory day, like the “Fenkeil”and Nadew Ez”

    • Ted

      Semere, what it is worth i am glad you start are talking about reform.
      Spring season must have helped thawing your Canadian winter frozen Brain;)

      • tes

        Dear Ted,

        You have a good spring season as I can see. Make sure that you will not have a summer season. You are just barking like a mad dog on your reform proposal as you are thinking that you have valid arguments.

        Yah, the PFDJ-2, an already on-going monster winter PFDJ project and it will end by dumping the few leftouts of innocent PFDJ members after serving them for all these years. And the criminals will be creamed as they are the only people who can stay safe being in the mafia rank.

        tes

        • Ted

          Hi tes. I am surprised you say there are innocent PFDJ. there is hope after all.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            If you were following my extreme comments against PFDJ, I have never included members. All I am is against their ideological system and those who use that ideology to commit crimes. Therefore you should nt be surprised as it is my long standing principle. Our converse between Fnote Selam is of more recent clarification on what I mean about PFDJ system and why I want it to be weeded-out.

            On valueing my suggestions, it is two way, I equally value your inputs and hence I read you seriously. That is why I am opposing your reform agenda. If I were not valueing it, I could have just dropped it and leave you to gallop like that of Nitricc and selam.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes. Since you are known to give an F to your student. I have a question for you. I am hoping you will answer it. Does it say more about the insractor or the student?
            To get where I am going with this follow this.
            ” A Texas A&M professor failed his whole class following poor behavior on the part of his students. Are millennials entering college ready to meet expectations?”
            What say you?

          • Ted

            Hi tes, thank you.”That is why I am opposing your reform agenda” can you elaborate more.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            If you read my response to Semere Andom, I think it will be enough for my elaboration.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hahaha Ted the reason I agree with you is becosue you are no bull to the point. I have watched how you destroyed Semere Andom. You left him bleeding to die. But know you pulling that bull with our bipolar Tes. You said you valued tes’s suggestion. Do you mind sharing what Tes value might me? I mean the guy is all over how do you manage to extract any tangible value out of the garbage he dumps to people of this forum. I mean what ever he said today is changed tomorrow. Just asking how you done it.

          • Ted

            Hi Nitricc, dealing with tes needs the mind of mining entrepreneur. After washing and sifting there is always a gem to be found in tes’s discourse. i also follow your advice not provoke him after 8pm France time.

          • Nitricc

            Hahaha Ted. I tell you though you are cool. You know how to do things. I am very happy you are on this great awate forum. And thanks for destroying one of the most UFO known to this forum. You know what I mean. Lol

          • Ted

            Hi Nitricc, Haha UFO? tihisho deA;) The great MS thinks you are ruining his Exorcism of the UFO:).

    • Berhe Y

      Selam SA,

      I will ask you this simple question? Why would Isayas allows this to happen?

      My guess is that he doesn’t need to do this unless his power is threatened, or that his life is in danger.

      The reason being, I don’t know why people speak about Eritrean government of PFDJ or what have you. I think all that is Eritrea is Isayas and what he controls and commands..there is no other except him.

      He is the one who is taking Eritrea to this road in the first place and for no apparent reason other than the hate he has for the Eritrean people in the first place.

      Fanti Ghana, I think asked, if Meles cares more for Eritrean that Isayas. I think this may be true, but I believe Isayas cares more about Ethiopia and Ethiopians as he does for Eritrea and Eritreans.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi BY:
        I do not disagree with you
        I know he cannot do that, and the point short of that it is not reform, that is what am telling the supporters here

        • Berhe Y

          Hi SA,

          I thought so:). You know what I think…basically Isayas/PFDJ will NOT give power and reform voluntary. There is just not enough incentive for him to do so, after wasting so many lives. If anything he will continue to stay in power for life and he will certainly plan his success carefully so that he legacy remains protected.

          I was talking to a Chinese friend the other day and how China managed to transform from dictator ship, not true democracy something a lot better. He said, “You know we are lucky. Because Chairman Moe did NOT have a son. Otherwise who knows, we would have been the same as North Korea”.

          Can you name one dictator who handed power / reformed peacefully? What we can guess though based on other dictator of similiar type and kind through out recent history, we can see how they managed to transition power.

          Sadam and Gadafi were planning to transition to their sons before death come to them.
          Mubarek was also planning the same. Asad managed to transfer to his son Bashar.
          Haiti Papa Doc transfered to his son baby Doc..

          Kim managed to pass to third generation of Kim..

          Isayas the writing is on the wall….there is no other way out for him…

          I was talking to an Eritrean who served in the army for a long time. And he heard it from another army official, what Isayas said during his drunk and stupid blubber. He said to them….Abzi hager sebAy yelen, Ane traH eye zeleku.

          I don’t know why he does what he does, but that clearly make sense to me.

          Berhe

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Berhe Y,

            You are onto something here. “…Sadam and Gadafi were planning to transition to their sons before death come to them. Mubarek was also planning the same. Asad managed to transfer to his son Bashar. Haiti Papa Doc transfered to his son baby Doc.. Kim managed to pass to third generation of Kim..” the last one creating hitherto unheard, communist/socialist monarchy:)..
            On Asian Eritrea: (North Korea) A cruel irony on trajectory of Marxist philosophy from Absolute feudal monarchy..well to absolute communist monarchy where power is transferred through genes….

            On African North Korea: Chances are we will see the tyrant of Eritrea will also follow his ignominious trashes of history. Unless fate intervenes! Our cruel, cruel irony remains; the revolution that was overwhelmingly popular, mass-based and that took a huge toll on each and every Eritrean ended up putting one, a single, guy on top of everything Eritrean! Isn’t that so, TRAGIC? Just one guy with absolute power. Think of it….and his progenies are posed to lead us….No king has as much power of Isaias Afewerki..Even the early 13 century British barons managed to even eke out a ‘magna carta’ out of Niguse Yohannes.
            We, let alone a constitution, we don’t even have a rudimentary ‘magna carta’ even 1000, A MILLENIUM years later. Isn’t that so shameful for/of us?…Isaias is a king; an absolute monarch in every sense of the word….you don’t see his crown; he doesn’t wear one, because he doesn’t need to impress us or impress anyone with a crown; because he DOESN’T NEED TO.
            Yours,
            Ghezae

    • tes

      Dear Semere Andom,

      First, you need to ask who is going to be reformed? Eritrean government or PFDJ?

      The first step should be to dislodge PFDJ from all phases of a supposed Eritrean government. Once PFDJ is gone for ever, then we can think of reforming the government.

      Hence, it should be done according to what Mahmud Saleh said months before.

      1. Weed-out PFDJ

      2. Bring all criminals to justice.

      3. Simultaneous Reform the Eritrean government by handing to the people.

      PFDJ these days is reforming itself yet he is keeping the governlent as a hostage. We are not fool to be of his koboro junkies again. Weed-out PFDJ first and then only we can talk on reforming.

      tes

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Tes;
        You know I am for weeding out, but if they do these, it is like giving them a rob to hang themselves. Can you imagine if they demobilize all the youth and retrict the NS slavery to 18 months, release the prisoners, do you think they will last? The prisoners will talk about the torture like your bro Dejen did and the people will get mad. The best way to weed them out is by themselves, they will stat pointing fingers at each other. Short of the brutal reform, we cannot call it reform, it is cosmetic change that will suit them but as you said we are not fools, we cannot accept and mistake makeup for surgery

  • Nitricc

    Here is an interview that will cause real headache and heart burn for the likes of semere and his darling. This woman has more knowledge about the situation in Eritrea than the doom and glooms. She tells it as is. The bad news to gloom and doom is that she told you that PIA looks 50 years old. Very interesting interview! The guy in interview must be old; he keep referring three million to the population of Eritrea while tops 100 million for Ethiopia.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=824tsZXWgGE&feature=youtu.be

    • scorp100n

      Nitric, So you are so happy because she spew postive stuff about Eritrea. what an xxxxxx you are, who do you think she is. she is no body, doesn’t represent or speak except for her self. … and if you listen carefully, she said ‘I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF’ , listen to it again xxxxx.

      • Nitricc

        Scorpion…
        Are you asking me if I am happy because I heard positive news? I don’t who wouldn’t? a normal person should be ecstatic upon hearing a positive news; unless your name is Semere Andom and Hayat Adam. But if you want to know; am I happy? Absolutely!
        Blissful, joyful, cheerful and exultant TO NO END! Since I am in a good mood due the good news; can you please tell me what exactly is the problem; with what you heard in the interview? You must be one of those people.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hello Nitricc,
      I am glad that you posted the link for this interview with Ms. Bronwyn Bruton, Deputy Director of the Africa Center at the Atlantic Council. I was going to do it, but you beat me to the punch. Anyways, I am happy Washington is getting exposed to such kind of conversations about Eritrea. The main problem has been Eritrean side of the story, I mean the Eritrean version, was either absent or muffled by some other forces.
      I think the more such kinds of conversation about Eritrea are going to happen, the more that Washington’s Think Tanks and their pundits are going to get exposure about what is really happening in Eritrean and the Horn of Africa. As a result, those in the White House and The State Department, with a hostile view on Eritrea may get a hefty dose of antidotes to their affliction of “Eritrean antipathy”.
      All I am hoping and praying to see happening is at least for the sanction to be lifted, and see some improvements in the economic lot of the common Eritreans back home. I have to also be brutally honest that I can’t wait for the lifting of armed embargo on Eritrea to be lifted forthwith. I know you are into the Eritrean military capability, so it is my main concern and interest especially I want to see Eritrea with a robust Air Force mainly geared towards defense. I hope to see some of the upgraded Mig-29, the Mig-29 SMT, making their way from Moscow to Asmara sooner than later.

    • Semere Andom

      Gheteb and Nitricc salivating on the comments of probably a hired gun of PFDJ:
      She strikes me as she does not know what she was saying:
      She is a Sophia Tesfamariam version and she must be investigated . She is biased as think thank. Here understanding of the 2 percent tax and USA tax.
      She also pulled a laughable PFDJ line by saying the higher officials also get paid pittance. She is not an independent, the fact that she got visa easily, the fact that she blushes when talking, she strikes me as biased, she could be working as a paid lobbying .
      I would understand why Nitricc would drool over this, but too hard to fathom for Gheteb, a fiercely independent awatista to fall for this low hanging fruit of the very dependence thinking.
      If you transcribe her comments you would not tell if ST or one of the Yemanes was talking. But a drowning man holds on to that proverbial straw and so PFDJ will pin their hopes on this for now

  • AMAN

    I think it is not only the opposition that we always do like to blame
    for being confused,disillusioned and failed to read and grasp the
    politics and its underpinings of today’s world; but it is or seems to
    be also the ruling camp of pfdj and et al.
    From their comments of the pro and con commentators to the ongoings
    of the post 2001 politics of our subregion; it seems as if everyone was
    expecting something out of nothing ( i.e without putting anything of value
    on the table).
    As the political developments were telling and making it clear time and again,
    there was no valuable input to harvest or gain something as output in the end.
    The “means” were telling the “ends” to come. And always the means determines
    the end just the same way the end determines also the means. You can’t harvest
    chicken from snakes eggs. And no one works or invests his chicken eggs to harvest
    snakes. If Eritrea and Ethiopia were thinking they are doing something good from the
    means or mechnism they employed in the last 20 years; they are just outright wrong.
    one get peace and development if and only if he/she invested genuinly on peace and
    development and if and only if he/she employed the right means or mechnism for the
    work no matter how bitter it would be to swallow. And clearly the stance of Ethiopia and
    the ongoing process was contrary to this fact meaning it was just hostile and outright
    blackmail against Eritrea and its people’s struggles and sacrifces and one should not
    be surprised when something is not working or achieved. One just reaps what he/she
    sow. And tplf/woyane Ethiopia has missed and wasted its precious opportunity one more
    time to make peace and save itself from going to the grave like those past regimes.
    In short tplf/woyane Ethiopia has presented nothing worth that is different from the other
    two past regimes that ruled Ethiopia to get the trust of the Eritrean peple and to bring the
    two peoples closer together other than aggravating and reviving the already recceding
    situations of the past or previous era in one form or another. ( Same Old wine…in a new
    bottle and label ).
    *****
    Advice: Get and present something real

  • teweldino

    Hi Michael and Ted,

    I don’t need to do a research to understand what this “cursed” generation is going through as I happen to belong to that generation. I don’t think you appreciate the notoriety of the organization / system / government they are up against. Let me give you an analogy. Few years ago a 70 years old guy named Josef Fritzl made headlines when it came out that he fathered seven children with his daughter while he kept her locked in a cellar for 24 years. Google his name please if you don’t remember the story .

    The government / organization / system that recklessly caused my generation to die in a senseless war, deserts of Sinai and Sahara, and the Mediterranean seas is a government version of Josef Fritzl. It has been assisted by generations that left back home during Haile Selassie and Derg. Do you know what many of my friends did with their first year’s salaries in the West? They paid 50k Nakfa to the mafias in Asmara to free their parents from the risk of imprisonment. Then they sign up to pay 2% so that their parents or siblings could continue to have their livelihood / licenses. I am sure you would be paying HS or Derg 2% or 10k Birr if they were to hold your parents hostages like the government / organization set up by the youth of the 1960s and 70s. I am sure some tegadelti would pay Derg or HS their 2% from their mesharif in meda if they were to hold their parents hostages. HS and Derg are choir boys compared to our Josef Fritzls.

    The generations that grew up in the late 90s and thereafter have been condemned to be the slaves of the generation that grew up in the 60s and 70s. Our fathers’ and ayatatna’s generations have mastered their art over the past 40 – 50 years. The “independence generation” has to pay bribe to the yikealo’s generation to cross the border to freedom. The youth have literally been caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. They risk death trying to leave the country they love. This generation has been repeatedly “raped” by their fathers’ and ayatat’s geneeration like Fritzl’s daughter. These facts should make you sob in a crowded bus. And you guys think these people are leaving in droves because they’re lured by the materialism of the West? Would you blame Fritzl’s daughter for wanting to be a million miles away from her father’s estate?

    • Semere Andom

      Hi teweldino:
      I remember the story of Fritzl and I think it is an apt description of pfdj. And I do not blame the youth for leaving their “ayatat” also left but I disagree with you on their choice once they are in the west
      you got to do what you got to do if it means to save the lives of your loved once, but I think the ghedli generation would not do that, they were so in love with the idea of independence that they would not see their parents after the old parents braved the risks to go to the field to meet their sons and daughters. They understood that the sacrifice must be paid many means, they would often tell their parents what are you doing there come to the liberated areas.
      the debate is what are the youth paralized once they escape pfdj’s grip.
      Too their credits the youth of 1970 were very young when they were debating lofty ideas before they met their death

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam teweldino,

      Your generation are not a “cursed generation” nor are “condemned to be slaves” of my generation (which I happen to be from the generation of the 60s and 70s). Though I admit the culprit is created from my generation, the yokes of oppression and the evil act of the regime’s system has indiscriminately falling upon all generations who are living in the current Eritrean Nation.

      The current struggle is not between the two generations per se, as your explanation infer a logical implication of that sort, but rather it is a struggle against a totalitarian regime that controls all aspects of lives of the Eritrean people to contain any kind of dissenting. To make their control effective and assure its continuity, the regime employs all sorts of techniques in order the Eritrean people subdue to the power of PFDJ. At this point the enemy of the Eritrean people is the regime and its party. Teweldino, watch out the PFDJ lots, will try to take away your eyes from the ball, from the regime and its system.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • teweldino

        Hi Amanuel,

        I totally agree with you that this struggle is between a totalitarian regime vs the people. No generation, gender or tribe has been spared from its savagery. Your generation has willingly sacrificed a lot but was denied from enjoying the benefits of its struggle and lot are perishing in the regime’s dungeons. I was just trying to correct wrong perception some people have about the current generation youth. It would be silly if I see the current struggle as a a fight between the youth and the youth of the 60s and 70s even though our common opressor happened to come from the latter generation.

  • tes

    Ethiopia: Is it a strategic position or a strategic partner?

    Part I

    Eritrean politics has been morphed and swayed by different political actors since its inception. At different stages, different images were created and from these images vague realities were developed. Yet bitter experiences are on display to an open minded but ordinary reader.

    Before dealing with the subject matter at hand, let me enrich some of the on-going arguments between different stakeholders of ideas.

    1. Political line of thinking and a strategy to contain them

    A glimpse analysis will be wise if the gist is forwarded on different political lines of thinking we have at these days. Literally, line of thinking/thought can be defined as “a particular way of thinking that is characteristic of some individual or group”. It becomes sophisticated when trying to read what it means in its sensational definition. According to Professor Michael Freeden [1], there is no well established disciple that deal with this subject matter and trying to apply in a complex atmosphere like that of Eritrea where cold war ideologies still survives among the elietes might usually ends being a like a mockery.

    Professor Michael Freeden when asked about what Political line of thinking, he responded by saying, “ my current work is taking me beyond the study of ideologies to the broader study of the ubiquitous practice of thinking politically a practice in which we all engage at different levels of sophistication and frequency. As students of politics it is incumbent
    on us to explore and understand the actual political thinking that takes in all societies. I am trying to fill an underdeveloped gap that has existed in our discipline, one between the normative study of political theory and the (often
    canonical) history of political thoughts. I contend that we cannot give adequate-practices and establish what their enabling and constraining features are, both as employed by professional thinkers and in the vernacular. “ [2]

    From the above response it is of no doubt that the diversity within the political line of thinking resides within the elites. When it comes to Eritrea, the value of elite was belittled in a broad-day bashing as part of the PFDJ political line of thinking, a thinking that opposes rejuvenation of ideas and exerted on it a volcanic blow within its territories. Despite such bullying, the term elite has maintained its existence in the well established cyber world and Awate Forum has never failed to attract a good number of these elites which were once ruled to vanish. The elites who live in this forum are
    diverse in their way values and norms, educational level and profession, origin and nationality, motives and intentions as well as their passion to forward their political line of thinking.

    The form being lead by active and dynamic team plus their strong take on responsibilities has encouraged many elites to make their political hegemony come to the surface. It is a very rare achievement. The reason for having such center hub of different political line of thinking starts right from the co-founders* of this forum. Reading in between the lines of the co-founders, one can learn how diversity can be managed and harvested for good.

    2. Impact of line of thinking

    It is not an easy to identify who is who in regard to the way he thinks based on what he writes only as writing is only one from the overall activities that an individual can be described of. Despite such handicaps, consistent follow-up of lines for
    longtime and cross-examining of intentions, contents, feelings, passion, persistence and consistence of lines can help to construct a general but vague image. Through this image making infancy categorization is step forward in the
    general hypothesis of line of thinking.

    This classification system might be supporting through logical, objective and subjective reasoning. It is not a surprise hough if such classification systems are rejected by the target in study. Yet, the arguments that might develop within can add a value thoroughly until they finally are considered as existing norms. Even though such methodologies are of purely from individual lines observation, their existence beyond the person in scrutinization is of high probability.

    The advantage of such political line of thinking identification processes and clustering them to where they belong help to understand the source of disagreements and sometimes to prevent an escalating and unwanted political heat diffusion to the masses. Not only this, strategies followed by different thinkers can also be studied and challenged.

    At larger scale, clustering system can be introduced so that different political organizations in existence today based on the principles and methodology to reach their set objectives, visions and missions. Clustering of political diversity can start right from where they are and gradually can be combined with those who are close enough in their overall objectives, till they finally stand together and advance their cause.

    A primary step of identifying different line of thinking has been introduced at Awate Forum. Some of the Forumers saw such classification system with suspicion. Many where in doubt as the intention can be for negative means. The fact is, it is of purely scholarly exercise to advance our collective missions.

    Some of the known line of thinking are:

    Fine School of Thought:

    Political thinkers on this line care less for ideologies and nationalism centered ideals. All they advocate for is for rights
    of human being. They respect humanity as they are and want to live the values and norms owned as it is. They do believe on co-existence of people no matter what affiliation they have. Secular system not welcomed in its grassy nature. The state for them is a collective entity. What the society has the state has it is their main line of core message. History and collective values of the society they advocate for is their base. Above all, grievances are their
    driving motto. They care more on social well-being rather than big political terms such as democracy. Fine School of Thought believes that freedom contains democracy not the other way round. Hence, they fight for complete emancipation of human freedom. People who are found in this line of thinking embrace everyone as far as there exists humanity within it. History and values of the society they work for is the most important thing. Anyone trying to ruin are
    ready to defend it.

    Chauvinists’ School of Thought:

    This school has a blind submission to patriotism. Sometimes their attachment with their country is complicated enough to make a synthesis of their advocacy. It is a mix of externalizing issues and being ambivalent internally. It is not unusual to see an attitude of superiority towards other group or society. Though their base is history like that of the fine school of
    thought, values and norms of the society they advocate for is always bottlenecked. They do this for their extreme power ambitions. As far as there is a power grip at the center and the people get relative freedom to breathe on, living on past patriotism is an accepted norm. Power for this line of thinkers is of legitimacy not of process issue. They have strong affinity to past glories no matter how they were achieved. For them, the end is more important than the means.

    School of Opportunists: unlike the other two previous schools, the followers of this school have very narrow mindset and always look for loopholes to make their case happen. History, values and norms are their arch-enemy. They advocate none except for their dead soul. Opportunists have developed a strong mechanism to happen their dream come true and this is by deleting history that goes against their objectives and glorifying a selected portion of it for demonization process, conspiring the future. Existing situation is the most important as they believe that it because of historical mistakes. This school never proposes a solution for the predicament they mention loudly from within rather they work hard to contain it within lost opportunities as per their claim. Followers of this school are always ready to broker in state selling business and do not bother who buys it as far as there is a buyer.

    School of Abyssinian Fundamentalists:

    one might confuse looking from the surface the political terminologies utilized by the school of opportunists and the
    Abyssinian fundamentalists. Nevertheless, their methodology is quite different. Their main reference is a 3000 years myth constructed during the political hegemonic ambitions of the 19th C emperors. Their advocacy is yet unlimited adventure to the North. The North of Abyssinia, as they used to refer during their ambitious political fantasy, holds their main center hub of expansion agenda. No matter what the objective reality is, no matter how the international norms are valued, still they believe marching to North is the means to a century old march.

    There are other types of schools that might be fit to be categorized as line of thinking. Institute of PFDJ mindset multiplication center is one. There are accepted standards to categorize thoughts as political lines and PFDJ lines terribly fails to fulfill such criteria’s and hence it is an institute set for a well defined objective and hence PFDJ mindset multiplication center. A corrupted version of habesha identity is their main tool to rich the masses. Instead of Abyssinia, today they have borrowed a new name called “habesha land”. Just like before, many within the declared Abyssinian land do not belong the reference identity they advocate yet as usual they preach for an a nonexistent and born out of
    illusionist harmony.

    Institute of PFDJ mindset Multiplication Center:

    As its name implies, it has nothing to do with thinking but with multiplication of an already existing set objectives. Some
    might mistakenly mix EPLF and PFDJ mindset while it is not. Just like that of Making Greater Tigray State original manifesto, PFDJ has brought back on table the long shelved manifesto of “Nihnan Elaman –we and our objectives”
    [3]after successfully liquidated all the enablers of EPLF war time heroes. Today, PFDJ is completely dissociated from the true nature of EPLF. It has an ideology copied from North Korea and enablers throughout the world. Sadly, there is nothing new idea manifested except a portrayed image of the 1971 manifesto and a dictatorial rule to make that happen. Every mind selected crams the manifesto and is equipped with an ideology that creates terror among its outreaches. This institute was born from hate and lives in hate. It equips itself words of hate and propagates hate. Above all, it has no mercy to kill humanity. Graduates of this institute do not know history, de-value humanity and are guided out of normality. They try to justify their means through coerciveness. Everywhere they land; their lines are full of hate and dictum of order.

    Other minor schools are School of Undoings though their existence is always in co-existence. Many ethnic based and grievance based line thinkers might fall under this category. This school has acceptable social, economic and political grievances. But their approach to solve their problem has being hijacked by past glories. They meditate on their past heroes and try to select groups which sympathize with their deeds.

    3. Political line of thinking and its impact on Eritrean opposition strategy … (to be continued as part II)

    Works Cited

    [1] “eAnswers,” Wikipedia, [Online]. Available: http://wiki.eanswers.com/en/Michael_Freeden?ext=t&cid=5062. [Accessed 25 04 2015].

    [2] A. Ewing, “Politics in Spires,” 17 03 2012. [Online]. Available: http://politicsinspires.org/what-is-political-thinking-a-qa-with-professor-michael-freeden/. [Accessed 2015].

    [3] EPLF, “Nihnan Elamanan-OUR STRUGGLE AND ITS GOALS , english version 1971,” Liberation, vol. II, no. No. 3, pp. 5-23, 1973.

    *Saleh “Gadi” Johar and Saleh Younis

  • ‘Gheteb

    The Pathology Of The Eritrean Opposition Groupings et al

    As an introduction, let me say a little bit about the title of this post. Believe it or not, I have written a post under the same title “The Pathology Of The Eritrean Opposition Groups” some a decade and half ago, in the early part of the year 2000. It was posted at Meskerem dot net. I remember precious little about the minutiae of the post/article, but the salient points of the post were pretty much the same with this post. The point I am trying to impart is that I didn’t wake up this morning and I was ‘struck’ with an epiphany and decided to write this post. No. The ideas contained within this post, for what they are worth, were laying latent/dormant in my head and were intermittently popping up and then slipping back to their quiescent status. So, don’t expect that I am going to make some earth-shattering diagnosis nor will I be proffering an unheard of rigorous prognosis. Also, the elixir that I will be recommending for the pathology of the Eritrean opposition groups et al is purely and unadulteratedly homespun, viz. , organically homemade.

    First, though, I would like to clarify some terminologies and here are my definitions:

    (A) Opposition groups means those Eritrean groups that are mainly based in Ethiopia.
    (B) Opposition elements denotes Eritrean civic/human rights groups based mainly in the diaspora
    (C) Opposition individuals signifies Eritrean opposition persons unaffiliated with both (A) and (B)

    So, the gazillion dollar question is: what is ailing these Eritrean opposition groups, elements and individuals? Well, the two years between 1998-2000 were literally a watershed years, not only because of the Ethio-Eritrean war, but also because it was during this very same two years that the Eritrean opposition groups committed strategic blunders that they have never admitted nor have even tried to rectify and they have been blundering in that path to nowhere since then. Many may beg to differ here, but I am telling you that such a fatal miscue and slips have put the opposition groups in a contrasting relief with the PFDJ in the minds of the Eritrean people. The PFDJ as a patriotic nationalist group and the opposition groups as a treasonous groups collaborating with the Weyanes. Well, they made it so easy for the PFDJ to name them as such. Once a group is named as nothing more than an appendage of an enemy, it is awfully difficult to change that perception and impression from the popular mind.

    Some would say that maybe no one brought it to the attention of the Eritrean opposition group leadership. Well, many Eritreans, including yours truly, pleaded with the leadership through letter writing only for all these efforts to fall on deaf ears. Such ‘tin eared’ posture is probably what has made them loath to change course and redress their erroneous stances.

    The other thing that the Eritrean opposition groups abysmally failed on is: not understanding the PFDJ/EPLF properly. Though most of the opposition groups were members of the ELF, their understanding or knowledge of the EPLF was no more than skin-deep and very superficial. Just like a thermophile bacteria that has adapted to live in hot springs, the EPLF/PFDJ seems to possess this uncanny ability to weather and withstand very harsh and difficult circumstances. EPLF history during the Eritrean armed struggle is replete with many examples of survival so has the PFDJ amply demonstrated its ability to survive a seemingly unbearable circumstances in the past fifteen years.

    What is also sorely missing in the Eritrean opposition groups understanding of the PFDJ/EPLF is that it is indeed a popular organization. It’s taproot is very deep while its branches are so broad and multitudinous. From the smallest hamlets in Eritrea to the biggest cosmopolitan cities in the world, it enjoys the support of Eritreans who are very dedicated, committed and steadfast supporters of the organization and they are actively engaged in all the struggles that the PFDJ wages or conducts supporting it munificently monetarily and physically. The PFDJ is unlike any other similar organization in the world in the support it garners from Eritreans. This is hugely significant because the Eritrean oppositions groups et al erroneously charted out a plan that was totally undergirded with a flawed assumption that the PFDJ is so brittle that it will be upended and toppled from power in a short period of time.

    In the annals of almost all the revolutionary movements that came to power, what one learns is this simple fact: it is near an impossibility to dislodge from power the likes of Angola’s MPLA, Zimbabwe’s ZANU and Nicaragua’s Sandinista. Like all the efforts that attempted to remove Castro from power virtually came to naught, the Eritrean opposition groups attempts of ridding the PFDJ from the helms of power has virtually ended up being a futile odyssey of fools. While one gleans a plethora of examples from other revolutionary movements that change rarely comes through the support of foreign powers, the Eritrean opposition groups et al utterly failed to realize that the best approach to effect change is through a homespun or homegrown popular movements. This is so true not because I am saying it, but because in movements like the PFDJ that are through and through radical nationalists, any acts or measures by those who are opposing them that are deemed or perceived to be as a sign of “unnationalistic tendency” then anything that Eritrean opposition group has done will be in vain and useless.

    Well, all the campaigns to isolate the PFDJ, deny it any and all foreign aid or assistance and get it sanctioned, if truth is to be told, has so far been unavailing in the sense that they have had no useful results. What we are learning these days, however, is the fact that in the past four years, the PFDJ led Eritrean governments saw an over one billion dollars worth of economic activity from the mining work of Nevsun.( Per Nevsun’s recent report). This being the case, all the campaigns that were waged by the Eritrean opposition elements and individuals has left the majority of the Eritrean people with this overarching impression: that those who were campaigning in favor of sanctioning Eritrea or for the denial of aid to Eritrea are simply a bunch of self-interested selfish groups who want nothing less than to witness the suffering and misery of the Eritrean people in their pursuit of grabbing power. I am telling you that all the afore-mentioned acts by the Eritrean opposition elements and individuals are perceived by the majority of the Eritrean people as mere acts of schadenfreude.

    Now let me address one of the vexed issues or questions vis-à-vis Eritrea and how to effect change in the Eritrean body politic. Well, all the political ferment and activism in the past decade and half have failed abjectly to bring the much needed change in Eritrea. Many are asking what is or will be the impetus that will accelerate the speed of change in Eritrea? In short, ‘what is to be done’? Well, that was the question Lenin tried to answer in 1905 when he was trying to steer and lead the Russian Revolution. One of the idea that Lenin proposed was the need and importance of a dozen of dedicated and professional leadership in every Russian city for the revolution to be successful. I am going to suggest the ” 11, 7, and 3 leadership formula” in lieu of Lenin’s ” a dozen of leaders formula”. The idea that I am “proposing” about how to effectively bring change is not really my idea that sprung from my own cogitation, but rather the brainchild of two Eritrean gentlemen.

    What these two Eritrean men, one of whom is a veteran ELF fighter and the other a former mayor of the city of Adi Kuala, Seraye during the Haileselasie/Dergue eras. Both Eritrean elders hailing from the heart of the Eritrean Kebessa; both Christians; both intimately familiar with the workings of the Eritrean opposition groupings, elements and individuals activism; none of them a member or even a supporter of PFDJ. The idea that they proposed is appealing not because it is such an earthshattering notion, but because its appeal is in its simplicity. It is a seminal idea in the sense that it solely and uniquely depends only in the capability and potential of the Eritrean people. I have applied ‘Gheteb’s Occam’s razor, again with a mea culpa to Occam, and I was pleasantly surprised with it’s simplicity and applicability to the Eritrean movement for change.

    The idea calls for all Eritreans to organize in every cities and town wherever Eritreans are residing outside Eritrea. Here the emphasis is to bring together Eritreans, be it in a meeting, seminar or conference and each and every gathering will provide the political space for ideas to be exchanged and plans and programs to be fleshed out, organically and locally from the very congregants and no one else imposing their own or other forces agendas and manifestos. For such meetings to materialize, first and foremost, there has be a coterie of leadership in every city or town within the Eritrean diaspora. Depending on the number of Eritreans in any given city or town, the leadership’s composition would be either 11, or 7, or 3. This is per ‘Gheteb’s leadership formula. Now the big question is how will this leadership team is to emerge will depend on the local resources and ingenuity of Eritreans.

    I am keenly aware and highly cognizant of the fact that this political endeavor or enterprise is not going to be a walk in the park or as easy as one-two-three. On the contrary, the hurdles and the obstacles that will be needed to be surmounted to make this political task a reality are a legion. Here are the most obvious impediments and snags:

    (A) How to find the members of the leadership team in every city and town where Eritreans reside with an unimpeachable political resume which is untainted by any association with the Weyanes and also how to find and identify Eritreans who are politically neutral and unaffiliated with the PFDJ.

    (B) What must be done to overcome the instinctive and knee-jerk opposition and hurdles that are going to arise from the organized Eritrean political groups, be they the PFDJ, the Eritrean oppositions groups, the Eritrean opposition elements or individuals. The PFDJ, as usual, will look askance at it while the opposition groups/elements/individuals may try their hands to hijack it. Surely, the Weyanes will call for and organize a conference to be held somewhere in Alaje- DaeRo Tekhli (ኣላጀ ዳዕሮ ተኽሊ) with the sole aim of circumventing it.
    (C) Another big hurdle is how to prevail over the horizontal and vertical divide the bedevils almost all Eritrean community in the diaspora. The pervasively regnant divide that runs the whole gamut of religion, ethnicity, region and what have you, need to be bridged by creatively innovative means
    (D) Apathy and mistrust that seems to run deep within the Eritrean must be addressed and dealt with ingeniously. This idea will definitely be pooh-poohed, belittled and talked down by those Eritrean who are not alive to the fact that the Eritrean movement for change has reached a turning point where a new tack, course of action or modus operandi has become all the more important.

    (E) Another issue that will need appropriate attention will be how to finance this operation. The cardinal sin to be avoided at all cost is to refuse to accept not even one penny from any other source except from Eritrean sources. Here also it should be made abundantly clear that any overture of financial support from the Weyanes would be rejected , spurned and nixed publicly.
    I understand that many would be asking as what the goals of such meetings could be? What kind of change that such meetings and gathering of Eritreans envisions or what sort of change would it demand from the PFDJ. To enumerate and list the demands of changes will be tantamount to preempting and even co-opting the very idea of calling for the gathering or meeting of Eritreans in the diaspora in the first place. The whole idea is to let this meetings and gatherings be the wellspring or the fountainheads whence all the programs emerge. That way, they will popular and people based. The only appositely germane thing or stance now is to energize, galvanize, incite, instigate and motivate and hope for the thousands of ideas/programs to sprout, flower and flourish.

    • Ted

      Ghetebe, well said.

      For the last 15yrs we have come across countless amazing, persistent and determined people who has good intention for the country. Most of them have put their reputation on the line for the value they believed in. Their fatal sin is to ignored or overlooked the very nature of Eritrean people and its patriotism. TPLF and the West NGO’s has tainted the best of us, they made them feel PFDJ is on its last leg waiting for burial. They thought wrong but we shouldn’t blame them for the past because they know better now and irregardless of their past history these persistent people and more are what we need to spearhead the organic change movement as no one should be left behind.The struggle needs every one with a clean slate and every member/leader need to prove their commitment by standing with the Eritreans aspirations.

      There is no another way around of organic movement for change.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Ted,
        You make good points. The thing that about these opposition groups dealings with the Weyane is similar to that of an insane person who does repeatedly the same thing and expects to see a different result.

        That has been their history for the past 15 years and now a different approach is badly needed.

    • Yoty Topy

      Long live YPFD!

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb,
      That’s great. At least you’ve started talking about Eritrean organizations. Questions for you:
      1) Organizations or movements are initiated to fill a vacuum or replace dysfunctional ones. In the Eritrean case it appears to be the latter. Have you then come to beleive both the oppositions and PFDJ are dysfunctional? Is that your view? I know your views on the opposition. And I thought I knew your views on PFDJ, too. But since you are calling for a new initiative of organizing a new movement, it sounds as if you are withdrawing your support for PFDJ. But on the other hand, your analysis describes PFDJ as potent, well rooted and a well functioning lively force. If so, don’t you think it is difficult and unreasonable to replace such an organization? Then, why would you want to call for its replacement? Or are you thinking of a diaspora movement that partners with PFDJ at home? If so, it seems you are not happy with roles the Comms and Ypfdj chapters are playing presently. But again, why did you see it necessary to present a proposal of this nature to participants in this website and not to the government? Or are you trying to outdo the Gadi initiative above? What exactly is the essence of your proposal here and how do you think the opposition and PFDJ regime fit or misfit in your proposal?
      With love,
      Hayat

      • ‘Gheteb

        Look who is asking all these questions? Prosecutor Hayat Adem (HA)

        Hi HA,

        I will put the questions you raised first in a numerical order and then I will attempt to give a response forthrightly and without any reservations.

        (1) “Have you then come to beleive both the oppositions and PFDJ are dysfunctional?”

        Well, forget about the Eritrean opposition. They are almost moribund and, yes, they are dysfunctional by half (by a considerable extent). I don’t have the slightest idea how anyone will be able to resuscitate and bring back to life these opposition groups to make them relevant in the Eritrean political life. On the other hand, the PFDJ is a lot of things dysfunctional it is not. The PFDJ is a well oiled/greased lean and mean machine. Simply put, the PFDJ is not a dysfunctional organization.

        (2) What are ‘Gheteb’s Views on PFDJ?

        I am not a member of PFDJ or any other organized Eritrean group. you will be utterly astonished to find out how fiercely independent I am, be it politically or otherwise. I fervently support the PFDJ stances on issues of sovereignty, national defense and nation building. I oppose the PFDJ in issues related to the lack of some semblance of due process, absence of a free press, popular representation in the government and a
        slew of other issues.

        (3) So, what is the big deal with ‘Gheteb’s proposal?

        Actually, as I have stated in the post this idea is not mine, but the brainchild of two other elder Eritrean gentlemen. The whole ‘idea’ boils down to this: It calls for all Eritreans in the diaspora to come together and meet or congregate in the form of seminars, conference or any type of meeting to discuss the problems that is bedeviling Eritrea and try to come out with some solutions. You can say it is analogous to a brainstorming session, but in a mega scale.

        The proposal anticipates that there will be some sort of coalescing or merging of ideas from different localities (cities, continents…) which is hoped to come up with a unified vision/ political proposals or a manifesto to be presented to the power to be, the PFDJ.
        Now, what will be in that unified vision has to come out and sprout from all the meetings/seminars participants.

        I mean all the ideas/demands/recommendations should come from not a cabal of elites/professionals and other self-seeking individuals, but from every Andom, Ali and Saba ( every Tom, dick and Harry). The point is the ideas/proposals should spring from the regular Eritrean folks and be owned by them and not make the ideas/proposals the sole province of the Eritrean intelligentsia.

        It will all depend on what that unified vision is going to be. If it comes up with a demand that the PFDJ should disband and then that will be presented. If, on the other hand, it puts forth a proposal for a reforming the PFDJ, then that will also be demanded or asked. The multiplicity of ideas and proposals that these kinds of meeting will spawn are a dime a dozen. The thing is it is all going to depend on what the congregants or participants of those meetings will want or aspire for.

        (4) No, the proposal doesn’t envision of partnering with PFDJ nor does it anticipate to replace YPFDJ or other community/civic associations. As I said earlier, the proposal calls for a grass root sort of “movement” that aims to present a popular demand to those in the helms of power in Eritrea and present a proposal as how to address all the problems that have been beleaguering Eritrea.

        (5) No, first the proposal wants to put the horse in front of the cart and then carry the proposal document to the government. How can the proposal be presented to the government until it becomes a “popular proposal” through all the meetings, seminars and conferences.

        (6) ‘The proposal’ was made way, way, (I mean months) before Gadi’s proposal. No, the aim is not to “outdo” anyone’s ideas or proposals here.

        (7) The PFDJ will be the target to which the proposals will be directed at. What the opposition groups role or fate is going to be will depend on a lot of factors that may need to be tackled and resolved in all those meetings.

        Remember, though, these are ideas and ideas only and they are not written on a stone. Now do me a favor and please re-read the post and you are more than welcome to critique it, render your opinions or for that matter you can even dismantle the whole proposal. Go ahead and please don’t pull any punches ( no pun intended)

        • Semere Andom

          Woooo Cousin Gheteb:
          I am proud of you, you started using Hayat’s name 🙂
          Also rem we used to say every Ghere, every Idrisai and Silas not Ali and Saba, ok 🙂

          Seriously, though your debates against HA is taking shape that will benefit us

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Gheteb,
          My apology for the late reply because of my time crunch. But better late than disappear. Here are more questions and some comments:

          1) Opposition orgs are not relevant; PFDJ is not dysfunctional. Yes, that is what I thought you thought. So now confirmed. Only one more follow up question: Do you think the opposition are irrelevant also in representing wishes and aspirations of the people in value terms (disregard the functional weakness); do you believe PFDJ is well oiled brain and heart also in representing people’s wishes and aspirations (here disregard the functional strength)?

          2) You are not a member but you support PFDJ on sovereignty, national defense and nation building and oppose them “issues related to the lack of some semblance of due process, absence of a free press, popular representation in the government…” I agree with you on the things you are against PFDJ. I’ll focus on the things you support them for because I don’t support them on anything. Eritrea has gone to wars and conflicts with neighboring states in its short life as a nation. Do you endorse all those conflicts? Do you think all are/were justified? Do you think the 1998 conflict and the 19k lives (Isaias) or the 30k (Bruton) were a must and as unavoidable on the part of Eritrea? Do you think Eritrean policy on the alShebab Somalia ARS were necessary or prudent? Do you believe we had to fight a border war with Djibouti and deny it? The above questions are all about the start of conflicts. Once happened though, do you think we handled them fairly and effectively? For example, once the conflict with Ethiopia flared up nd escalated, was there anything we could have done better to minimize damage and maximize interests? Same with Djibouti? As you know Eritrea is now sanctioned, twice and isolated. Do you think there was anything we could have done better without risking vital national interests? Over all, Eritrea now is poorer than Eritrea before 1998; weaker than Eritrea 1998; more isolated than Eritrea 1998; more vulnerable to external forces than Eritrea 1998; less capable than Eritrea 1998; more hated and abandoned by its youth than Eritrea 1998; less attractive to tourists and investors than Eritrea in 1998 etc…all these factor in significantly in the effort of nation-building. On what ground do you support PFDJ on their stance in matter of nation building?

          3) So, what is the big deal with ‘Gheteb’s proposal? I don’t disagree if it is not meant to deny the opposition a deserved space and give PFDJ an undeserved space.

          4) I don’t disagree with your points at 4 either.

          5) As a final closure of this proposal, it seems you are thinking of submitting a refined proposal to the government. That is like bringing the horse back behind the cart again. If so, your effort would be doomed futile then. Let’s say the wish of the people comes out to be reforming or changing PFDJ. That brings you to a dead end. If you were to tell me, the end of soliciting people’s ideas would include how to get them implemented which also encompasses an alternative organization and mobilization to realize the popular interests expressed, I would understand. If the end aim is to present them to the government, the very reason of the problems being discussed, then I would say forget it.

          6) You said: “’The proposal’ was made way, way, (I mean months) before Gadi’s proposal. No, the aim is not to “outdo” anyone’s ideas or proposals here.” But it is the first time you are becoming interested in them or sharing them here with others. So my question is still valid: why were you not interested in them earlier or why were not interested in sharing them with others earlier than today?

          7) Refer to 5.

          Hayat

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            I made a cursory reading of his proposal. It is amazing to me someone with only the knowledge of current events would present this in writing, what a writing. The way I understood it is this, it might be my fault, I hope it is.
            .
            The practical end result is to conduct meetings of Eritreans all over the world, except Ethiopia to come up with a consensus of a wish list.
            This process undoubtedly will take not less than 5 years, at the end of which will be presented to President IA (PFDJ).
            .
            I think, if one of his ministers presented this idea, at the cabinet meeting President IA will immediately approve it with a smile.
            .
            Sometimes, it is so disheartening to witness well educated individuals dispersed on all sides of the reality spectrum. Where do you go to get hope?
            .
            K.H

  • teweldino

    Hi Michael,

    Lol @ their level of understanding about the situation in county they left behind. Don’t you think it is a bit condescending? They have lived the “situation” since when they were 14 / 15. They also know what sort of animal they are up against. Are you going to blame the North Koreans next for living under totalitarian government for 70 years?

    • Ted

      Hi teweldino, It is not condescending at all. The situation programmed them only to think how to get out of the country than deal with PFDJ. How many do you know carrying a gun to fight PFDJ from Tigray shembela refuge camp, none. They get a chance to be in the West just for being Eritrean and they took it. It is time the West stop giving Eritreans false hope and we start empowering the youth to fight for their right at home.

  • AOsman

    Dear Michael,

    The opportunity you had in life to learn about demanding for your right is a process that they have not got sufficient time to appreciate. When they saw a selfish side of the Diaspora, they only dreamed to be like those “beles”. I believe that you may have heard from them things that may shock you, trust me many of them were also shocked to hear the advice they received from some Eritreans (PFDJ or the confused ones) once they crossed to the West.

    We have failed to support them to transition into their new life, no serious community centers to deal with the new refugees. Then they found PFDJ ready to accommodate them, to capitalise on their needs and longing to be close to their people.

    I can never blame someone who has suffered much, lost the most productive time of his life in servitude and waited for the light at the end of tunnel. Finding the light to be elusive, the only thing in his/her power was to walk away. His/her individual cost and benefit analysis is diametrically opposite to that of the collective loss that you would like to make.

    If you give up on them, they will give up on you. Both will be the losers, while the tyrant will leave unchallenged. We need to re-engage my dear.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • Semere Andom

      HI AOsman:
      I do not blame them for leaving, but it depressing to talk to the youth after they have left the regime that enslaved them, many of them return to it, to see their confusion between Eritrea and PFDJ, to hear their utter ignorance about their revolution.
      ” We have failed to support them to transition”, this is not always true, I know a couple of Eritrean community centers that helped them transition, but once they get the help they do not reach out to the community they do not even attend a meeting, they sip their beers a block away from where the meeting is held, but when PDJ organizes a dance, they grace th halls by paying up. So the problem with the youth is different than the eyes meets.
      I tell them , it is ok to do your thing, it is ok even if you do not reach out to the community but for God’s sake do not go to PFDJ and do not equate Eritrea with PFDJ

      • AOsman

        Selamat Semere,

        Am I allowed to say 1% of them only, just a guesstimate even though that is likely to be exaggerated :).
        Why do we have to blame a whole generation for the action of few, how big are these PFDJ dance halls that have become a sample representative to allow us to brush all of them in one go?

        The youth represent over 10% of our population, just look at the stats provided in wikipedia on total birth over 5 years, the ratio for age ranges (42% for 0-14) and (55% for 15-55) and population growth roughly around 2.5 – 3%, even if you took a 10 year range for the “youth” it is a formidable group that giving up on them will be suicidal move. You have no choice but to work on them, see Nitricc a product of YPFDJ has made you toothless long ago :)….

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Eritrea

        By the way working with the youth is one of the hardest task, but the reward far outweighs anything else. Once community centers become the hub for activities, training, help in finding jobs, then the incentive they provide will attract them, the issue of human right and other political matters will follow. Otherwise Kab Akhibas Da Shahina Ilal Yihashena kiblukha Iyom.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Michael

          OSman,
          Unfortunately the 1% which came from your “guesstimate” is far from the actually observed figure we have here. I hope you would not demand for release of the findings here just for the sake this debate as I am not allowed to do so at least for some time.
          But, I don’t think the demographic information you were referring to are relevant to the discussion. Because, regardless the composition and structure of the youth relative to the whole population in the country, the bottom of the line is what fraction of the youth who fled the regime and managed to get to the West are ready to express their opposition to “pfdj” in the form of organized or independently through various means. I am afraid the answer to that general question is absolutely shocking.

  • Tezebete

    Saleh Gadi what a shame! with all your eloquence and penetrating analysis you brushed off simply as a tragedy this most outrageous massacre by religious lunatics mad doges in a name of a religion. Tragedy is an accident this is a willful act perpetrated by deranged fanatics. It is not merely an act of violence against Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians it is an act against all humanity. where is your moral indignation Awtistas particularly you Muslims when such vile act is being undertaken in the name of your religion.

    • Ted

      Dear Tezebet. Many Awatistas have grieved, discussed and sent their condolences. You can post your thoughts under this article.
      http://awate.com/is-entices-alshabab-to-pledge-allegiance/

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Tezebete,

      So, I brushed it off, and it is shameful. May God forgive you for that, I have.

      1. Here is the definition of Tragedy: an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe.

      2. I am disappointed you want Awatistas, “particularly [we] Muslims” to apologize for what yourself called “a willful act perpetuated by deranged fanatics.” Do you hold Muslims more responsible than yourself about a crime they have nothing to do with?

      3. The IS crimes have been going on for quite sometimes and people have been expressing it in different ways and mediums, don’t blame others if you are not aware of that.

      4. What happened was a continuation of crimes against humans, many expressed their indignation many times. It’s disappointing that some people are not indignant until the tragedy comes very close to them.

      5. Please don’t pretend that your indignation is more than mine.

      Thank you

  • Semere Andom

    Eritrea’s Dark Ages Are Ahead Of It: My Crystal Ball
    Hi everyone:
    Eritreans are crazy people. Do not get mad compatriots! Mandela was crazy too. Crazy in a good way. If they were not, they would not think in 1961 a handful men would eventfully force the mighty Ethiopia to capitulate. Its once feisty leader who many thought will die fighting bowed his head and left the country to fend for itself. Do not get me wrong, our stars were aligned and we also got help. But the vision, the tenacity and the heavy lifting was done by us and only us. Thirty years later, we would declare Eritrea independent with fan fare and much optimism. Out future seemed bright and that intoxicated us. We pounded our chests with pride and some of us pounded our beloved “kebor” with fervor. Some of us pounded the ground with our “Wo Somiya”.
    Little did we know that we were in for the disappointment of our life time, all the crimes of those we defeated were repeated, we thought it was a nightmare, and then we thought it was the intoxication of the jubilation but then we opened our eyes and saw that it was neither a nightmare nor intoxication? It was real. But it was too late.

    The next darkness of Eritrea, which is in the brewing process now, is a manifestation of the following facts:
    PFDJ has successfully eliminated the cultural pillars that glued the society together. When I was growing up, the neighborhoods took care of you, now you cannot trust the older brother of your friend, he can sell you, he maybe the human smuggler. The criminals who have been hatched under PFDJ will not cease to exist after the regime dies, its mafia network will operate, making Eritrea the crime capital of the region. The Eritreans who are involved in human trafficking and organ harvesting are not standalone individuals, they are a network of criminals head quarters in Asmara and once the regime falls, they will use their network, money to operate, influencing government and politicians, they will be powerful and the new government will not be able to control them, they will control it. Eritrea as we know it, the culture that we loved so much, that culture that nurtured my generation is gone. All the bravado about our culture and empty rhetoric that we have won against all odds and we can do it again is delusional as the environment is totally different. The Ethiopians left you alone for the most part if you were not involved in politics and the occasional personal issues were solved by leaving the city and going to your village. The Dergi was not going after our culture; they were going after their power. And in the worst case scenario you join Ghedli and you are safe. Now there is no formidable Ghedli in Barka or Sahel, our own know where we hide and they have defeated every fiber of Ertreanism to the point hat they can intimdae us from their coffins and graves. PFDJ‘s ghost will be haunting us long time after PFDJ is gone. They have money, they have the passion, and they have cruelty, combination that is needed for generational crime network.

    The lack of urgency from the opposition is disturbing, the question is not where they are stationed, this is just distraction tactics from PFDJ, and it is what they are doing. I believe that removing PFDJ is the easy part. How to remove the metastasized PFDJ—the network of crimes is paramount. The opposition should strengthen its military and face the PFDJ army in the mountains of Sahel and plains of Barka, the EDF is serving PFDJ, some willing and some unwilling and they have to be treated like the “Commandis”. The aim should not be to go inside Asmara, it should be rather cut the tie between the network of criminals and PFDJ, destroying the human traffickers, literally killing them and arresting them and taking their properties. Sending cells to Sudan, Libya and all over and assassinating them, jus like Ghedli did. Dismantling their network and documenting their crimes as much as possible.
    Also targeting the economic engine of PFDJ, the mines and the business mercilessly.

    The collapse of the regime can be eminent but the distraction of the network of crimes is something that will usher a new era of darkness in our nation. And to be fair, it is not going to be only the former tegadalty like “Manjus” who will helm the new darkness, the new generation, the war says have inherited that criminality of their “ayatat” and they are young, energetic and will wreck havoc under the watchful eyes of the bosses from afar.

    PFDJ may collapse any time, but its legacy of gangsters, rapists, organ harvesters and human traffickers will be in our midest disrupting our lives, making Eritrea unrecognizable. Eritrea’s Dark Age will be in the brightest age of humanity.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Sem A
      ኣብሽር Semere, Eritrean star is yet to shine…and shine even brighter.
      I understand the stress you feel, it’s mutual brother. But hyperbolical dramatization is not going to solve the situation. We need to keep talking; try to influence the trend for change positively on individual level and in group; let’s respect each other and be an example of sorting differences in civil ways; let’s address and bridge the “inherent” differences AH talked about; let’s give hope to our youth and people; let’s pressure our opposition leaders to come up with a rallying program. Let’s not be a ground for sowing suspicions. Let’s tackle our positions in brotherly spirit without wasting our time in order to score cheap personal scores.
      A country is as good as its citizens are willing to sacrifice for it; a compromise is a form of sacrifice. While I criticize opposition leaders for squandering Eritreans potential for change,

      • Saleh Johar

        Ahlan Mahmuday,

        Thank you for the promise to cease going personal. Indeed, we all know everyone here has good intentions by our good intentions are weighed differently by different people. If we have a unified opinion, there wouldn’t be a need to talk. I am disturbed by some irresponsible grave accusations that some are fond at hurling at anyone who differs with them. Indeed, if we are to mend our fences, and be effictive, no one should be left to go unhinged. Leaders need to be kept in their toes to perform better. And we have to ask ourselves, “what is it that I could do but I am not doing?” that will help us be more productive, less of an annoyance. We should stop this open, visible and glaring arrogance in some comments. And let’s not forget, our primary problem is the PFDJ, everything is less relevant at this moment.

        Thank you again

      • sarah ogbay

        Dear Mahmud,
        Eritrean star is yet to shine … Shine even brighter!!! What a better start of the day can I ask!!
        Thank you so much for that Mahmud hawey. Most days I start reading about misery be falling Eritrean. Today I start with hope and a lifted spirit. Thanks

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear sister
          Thanks Dr . Sarrah, let’s keep the hope alive for without hope there is little that motivates people to change things.
          Thanks again.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mahmuday:
        “ኣብሽር Semere, Eritrean star is yet to shine…and shine even brighter.’
        From your lips to God’s ears. But is there any evidence that indicates that so far? I am not trying to absolve the opposition here, but if you told me the same during Ghedli, I will say “ammanka” because every time we were moving forward to independence. Even if the hard time befeel us when Ghedli was retreating it made up in determination, in galvanizing the people in renewing the resolve and you had the evidence.
        But now to say that statement, while everything is the opposite. I think we should brace for the opposite of the shining. PFDJ collapse is not a question, it is a question of how soon, but its alliance of criminals with their money that they are stealing from Bisha and the cruelty that that they have perfected will be there.
        If you are right about the bright future, please tell me then , “see, I told you so” and if I am right I will not tell you. ” I told you so”

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Ya AbuNooH
          At this moment, where hundreds of Eritreans are feared to have perished, a sober and composed discourse is needed. That’s why I pledged to tone down my comments. Semere, a similar incident of Lampedusa got me to the media; I had no plan then, I didn’t even know the cyber world. Since I knew the owner of Assenna, Emanuel Iyassu, I started contributing there in Tigrigna article forms; (I did have around three English ones). Prior to that, I had long cursed PFDJ off and was minding my business. I had followed Awate since its inception, but never continued past reading the articles. I somehow followed the forum shortly before formally joining it and once I joined it I found it to be a vibrant community. I wish Eritrean could have physical or cyber clubs similar to this forum. Is this a platform for action, like an organized group with organizational charts? Of course, No; but it is a place where everyone can benefit from. I am among the new members, and believe me, I benefit a lot from your discussions. Therefore, let’s treat this forum like our club by encouraging sources and flow-directions of great thoughts.
          What I see bad is that we overreact when provoked and lose sight of the purpose we sign in for in this forum. Most of your regretful pitfalls could be attributed to the urge to counter hit, or react, if you will. So, Dear Semere, my pain on the plight of our people is not greater than yours; I don’t pretend I care for our people more than you do, I don’t claim I have done more than you. Actually, I know what I have done; and that’s I haven’t done anything except cursing off PFDJ. Since I don’t know your activities, it’s possible you have done more actual contributions in this process of opposing PFDJ. (I have a flood of ideas coming to me regarding this issue, and let me just stop it here).
          On your comment: You are right the time is serious; and what follows immediately after the fall of PFDJ is even more serious. You are right to feel
          apprehensive. It’s true there are criminal networks, and individuals and syndicates who will fight you tooth and nail (look what previous president of Yemen and his follows are causing to the country; Iraq’s remnants of BaAth morphed to IS; and there is no doubt Gadaffi’s remnants are among the killers who paraded Ethio-Eritrean victims and who are creating havoc in Libya). There is social problems (marginalized communities and persecuted religious sects; criminalized innocent citizens; demoralized youth…corrupted police force…socio-economic problems (all the ghedli generation is in retirement age with no social security net…); therefore any politician who vies for replacing PFDJ should brace for all these and many like them. All justice seekers should understand the cost of political change and brace for the consequences; that’s prepare a unified macro and micro plans of transition; and draft a road map . The basis of debates on “how” should we proceed is this stark reality. Who is equipped to handle it? A united front ready to govern and to secure property, lives and border of the country (1991, EPRDF in Ethiopia, and EPLF in Eritrea) or armed but fractioned factions with the help of outsiders who won’t be willing to pay the price of stabilizing the nation? I know you are aware of this and I read you saying a “united front” , that’s, regardless of what we call it, it’s an Eritrean political body which resembles Eritrea’s diverse society and which represents Eritrea’s multiple aspirations.
          So, if we really put aside our preconceived notions of each other, we are not that far from each other.
          So, the problems you mentioned will be there. I think those challenges are not uniquely Eritrean. I know you follow Ethiopian politics. If a TPLF which did not wonder outside Tigray could form a coalition for ruling Ethiopia in a short period of time, if that coalition could pacify Ethiopia and lead it to the Ethiopia that we all see today, there is no question any force changing PFDJ will face that challenge; it will still get a good will from Eritreans for a reasonable period of time. The trick will be:
          a/ showing Eritreans that the newcomer is not going to repeat PFDJ’s disastrous policies; and acting fast at reversing those policies signaling a new dawn of transparent culture.
          b/ A speedy measures at ensuring justice and reconciliation; and staying on its time table at honoring of transferring power to the people.
          For all these to materialize we are at a critical juncture; we need to give our people hope; we need to show them that we are different than PFDJ (respect of diverse opinions; and conducting ourselves in a way that’s completely different than the way PFDJ conducts business. Let’s communicate at bridging our “inherent” differences; give supports to those who are willing to lead; at the same time let’s offer them our critical appraisals in order to encourage them do better.
          The last part of this Hateta occurred to me yesterday when a revelation knocked me off: how better could I contribute?
          Naay Lomi Hateta ends here abruptly.

  • AMAN

    Dear forum participants and readers
    Greetings to All !
    For us Eritreans, whether to accept or support Ethiopia’s “invitation”
    depends on what Ethiopia has on the table different from the past ruling
    regimes and how much it has changed from its past wrong and erratic
    ways of political culture and Administration. Since 1991 when we victoriously
    concluded our revolutionary struggle and closed the chapter of the past;
    the ball has been rolling on Ethiopia’s court to come up with something
    new and acceptable to satisfy the demands of the Eritrean peoples and their
    long struggle and contribution in liberating not only Eritrea or the Northern
    parts but also the whole Ethiopia and its people by defeating HSI and Col.
    Mengistu’s and even Woyane’s Administrations that only were against its
    own people as a result of erroneous nation building process of 5 decades
    which will only come to crumble no matter how many years they took to build
    because was not done the right way of building a National Homeland.
    This is what happened thus far. And should not be allowed again for failure
    of to learn from own history. The Nation building of Ethiopia crumbled and
    came to a halt and demise in 2005 after three successive regimes that ruled
    from 1945 to 2005. And this shows the victorious nature and legitimate ideas
    of the persistent opposition who resisted these three faulty regimes to take
    Ethiopia to a new path and process of Nation building only thru democratic,
    participatory and rule of law new and different agendas and processes from
    the past.
    Thus as it is we the Eritreans that pioneered and made these new Ethiopian
    concepts and ideas of peace and governance a reality after long struggle of
    sacrifice and victory; it is just fair and right to assume leadership of Ethiopia
    to its new future thru transitional developmental democratic period and governance
    for a limited period of years if we all want to have a peacefull and united homeland
    and not another new day Somalia, Yugoslavia or any other country on that trend of
    disintegration and collapse for lack of showing patriotism and loyality and readiness
    to pay a sacrifice of few years more as a show of loyality to the transitional government
    and transitional period.
    So if we Ethiopians truly love our country and the continuity of its survival and future
    existance as a country, we all have to be ready to pay an extra 3, 5 or 7 years more
    as sacrifice of showing loyality to allow a new transitional process, gov’t and period
    to govern our affairs and pull our country from its past and its vicious cycle.
    A Message of Hope, Solidarity and Good Will
    to all Erythrean, Abyssinian and all other HoA
    Peoples of Ethiopia thru Awate forum dot com.
    From AMAN……..
    An Eritrean / Ethiopian writer and commentator
    living in St. Paul, MN, USA.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Hayat Adem Wants To See If Adam’s Life Kool Aid Is Part Of The Menu

    Here is the request for the document .

    ” Hayat Adem • a day ago
    Dear Ustaz,
    This is a nice read and forward looker. I hope the document or the non-confidential part of it can be made available for Awatistas to reflect up on.
    hayat”

    Now what does Hayat Adem want to “reflect upon”?

    The nature of the relationship between the Eritrean opposition group and Ethiopia? No.

    Should the Eritrean opposition groups be based in Ethiopia? No

    Does the Eritrean opposition group need to form a united front? No

    Is Ethnic Federalism an option for Eritreans? No

    Should Ethiopia export coffee to Eritrea? No

    Is ‘Berbere’ of Ethiopian or Eritrean provenance? No

    Are Ethiopian singers better than Eritreans? No

    Is G’eez more closer to Tigrigna or Amharic? No

    Is the womens’ ‘Zuria’ shawl more expensive in Asmara or Addis? No

    Is PHD ( Prime minister Hailemariam Desalegn) more handsome than PIA? No

    Then, what, pray tell, is the thing that Hayat Adem wants to “reflect upon”, anyways?
    Well, Hayat Adem wants to make sure if the document calls for the Kool Aid brand named Adam’s Life is going to be part of the menu when a dinner repast is going to be served in Addis’s Sheraton Hotel along with all kinds of Ethiopian food including ‘kitfo’ in honor of those who will be delivering the document to our neighborhood’s (The Horn region) United Nation (UN),um, Ethiopia.

    Now don’t blame Hayat Adem for wanting Adam’s Life Kool Aid to be part of the menu in Addis’s Sheraton Hotel dinner party. Which merchant and peddler doesn’t want his or her merchandise getting free exposure and advertisement?

    Hayat Adem is calling for an Ethiopian invasion of Eritrea to remove the PFDJ from power swiftly. Well, it is stated euphemistically as ” Ethiopia’s military help to tip the military balance in favor of the opposition group”.

    And, this will achieve the life dream of Hayat Adem of seeing the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea coming together, er, Eritrea again re-annexed to Ethiopia and earning Hayat Adem a position in a Think Tank to be named as “The Great Ethiopian Mythopoeic Center”.

    • Peace!

      Dear Gheteb,
      The Eritrean Muslim Woman demands only “Surgical Invasion” as if PFDJ is hanging on the side of a building- the space between a roof scupper and the top of the parapet, what a joke!! This tells us how much morality, honor, integrity there is left in TPLFites: Zero. The lust for Eritrean Ports blinds TPLF to the real consequences of annexation dream.

      regards

      • Ted

        Gheteb what a conundrum for Muslim Eritrean Women or a “TPLF pamphleteer”(most likely a man from Tigray).

        Is it palatable for A Lady from Eritrea possibly with kids and family who has first hand experienced of the worst of a war and its devastating effect on her country and family to advocate for invasion by perceived enemy of her country.

        or is it more feasible for TPLF pamphleteer to convince Eritreans to get rid of their oppressor with the “help” of TPLF so the two sisterly countries live in peace.

        I am willing to listen if “she” was the later unfortunately “she” chose to be the former(Eritrean Muslim Woman), More questions than answers to impass .

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selamat Peace!

        You are absolutely right about the ‘perception’ of the PFDJ not only by “The Eritrean Muslim Woman” (TEMW), who utilizes Hayat Adem as a pen name, but also by the majority of the Eritrean opposition groups.

        They think that the PFDJ is like something, say, a very insignificantly small entity or a group, that exists completely separate from the Eritrean people. The reality is far more different and complex than that. The PFDJ is far more popular ( based on membership and supporters) than they are willing to acknowledge. Forget about the Eritreans back home, but outside Eritrea, in any city there are far more supporters of PFDJ than any other opposition groups supporters.

        Not recognizing this simple fact has pushed many Eritreans who oppose the PFDJ to make some asinine political pronouncements. Here is Aboy Qeshi Amanuel calling for IGAD to invade Eritrea and bring about a regime change. I don’t know which planet Qeshi Amanuel lives in, but didn’t anyone tell him that IGAD means Ethiopia. So whether the invasion comes under IGAD or Ethiopia it is going to be the same as IGAD means nothing more than Ethiopia.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Aha, Haw Gheteb,
          I don’t know which planet Gheteb lives in, but didn’t someone told him that African Union (AU) means Ethiopia. So whether the invasion comes under AU or Ethiopia it is going to be the same as AU means nothing more than Ethiopia. Did I make sense now haw Zaqunay Gheteb?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Kibur Tegadaly Ato Amanuel,

            No, you don’t make any sense at all. Here is what you said in response to Mahmud Saleh:

            ” Go to my article, it is on the front page of the running screen, you will find my call is for the intervention of IGAD to expedite the fall of the regime.”

            No one mentioned the AU or any other organization, Ato Amanuel. So why are you bringing it here? To obfuscate, becloud, blur and muddy the issue??????

            A piece of unsolicited advice, Ato Amanuel. Imagine it is Sunday and this pastor ( Aboy Qeshi) is delivering a sermon to his congregation. If the pastor wants the word of God to be understood and received by his congregation, he must avoid mixing his message by rendering two different parables at the same time. He should concentrate on one parable at a time.

            If IGAD was akin to a parable, then why are you bringing the other parable, the AU, that is, this time?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kibur Gheteb,

            You know what game you are playing. If IGAD means Ethiopia, then why not AU means Ethiopia? Ethiopia is in IGAD as well as in AU. Hey Gheteb, why do you mess with the pastors who teaches the holy book equating with Amanuel. Do you know Haw Gheteb, it is really sad the kind we are talking about – It isn’t relevant issue to our people. Anyway, if I don’t play your game like the Hammurabi laws of the Babylon, I am dead. If you talk about real politics that heals the Eritrean people, I will reciprocate in kind. From now onward what I learn from you guys (how ever bad it is) hit with same ball. So what I urge from you is respect not sarcasm. Our people have lost their voices and are dying everywhere. At least for their respect let us talk about their predicament. That is all. But because you are hidden behind pen name you making unproductive and irelevent argument.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ato Amanuel,

            If you can, just answer this question. I am even going to make it in a multiple choice form.

            Question:

            Are you, Amanuel Hidrat calling for ” the intervention of IGAD in Eritrea and the reason for IGAD’s intervention is to expedite the fall of the regime.”
            (A) Yes
            (B) No

            What I want from you is to pick A or B and nothing else. No sermons and lectures and whatnots.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            I don’t know Who Amanuel Hidrat Is. I just read his comment like you in the comment section, and I can not Answer on behalf of him yes or no. I know Keshi Amanuel who has a zaqunay Gheteb who works under his auspices. Anafra qoqah zeyfeltisi Ayhadanayn. Straighten your argument so will do I.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ato Amanuel,

            Are you saying that Amanuel can’t answer a simple question unless it is addressed properly. My bad. I should have addressed you as ” Kibur Aboy Qeshi Amanuel Hidrat. I get it now. You want someone to argue on your comment, but you won’t answer a simple question even from someone you have already deemed to be your inferior, I mean from Zaqunay Gheteb. What kind of Aboy Qeshi are you, anyways? An Aboy Qeshi who is unable to answer a Zaqunay’s question?

            If it weren’t for your consistent propensity of offering unnecessary advice, I would have campaigned for your demotion from Aboy Qeshinet. But as they say, Qeshi Zibelo Giber: Qeshi Zigbro Aytigber :: Well, don’t fret as your Qeshinet title is still safe in its place and you won’t lose the title of Aboy Qeshi.

            You, Amanuel, the one who unnecessarily dispenses unwanted advice in the hope of changing the direction of a debate in the event that you sense that the debate is going in the direction that you don’t like is the reason why you have earned the title of Aboy Qeshi. Now tell me who is not a hunter( Hadanay) here? I mean, who is the one who doesn’t know the flight pattern [Anafra] of partridges( Qoqah), Qeshi Amanuel?

            Your subordinate in Qeshinet (Priesthood)
            Zaqunay Gheteb

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Gheteb,

            Seriously, if you are a serious by the way, why are you asking who is Amanuel Hidrat? Amanuel Hidrat is not a pen name like Gheteb. You know that. Second I put my position in between inverted commas to understand my position without any interpretations. How clear could I be Gheteb?

            But if you are serious again and if you want to make a contextual debate on the article, I am here for good. To debate on the “hydra dyscrasia” of our politics (bad mixture of politics) and on related “Janus inhibitor” of our bad political discourse, I welcome you to dispense your hefty intellectual acumen to illuminate the forum.

          • Millennium

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat:
            Ghetab did not ask who Amanuel Hidrat is; he inserted you name between comas to emphasize the fact that he is addressing you; he is not asking who you are. I wonder whether you are doing that to avoid giving an answer or you really did not understand the question.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Millennium,

            He read my article “Leadership And the Geopolitics of the horn” and he knows my position clearly. So I am not avoiding it. If he want to revisit it, he could still go to “tebeges” file.

          • Passerby

            Abu Aman,
            AU is in not Ethiopia in any shape or form. If you say AU is sympathetic to Ethiopia against Eritrea, you would be right. And this is because i) Ethiopia is the seat ii) Ethiopia is bigger and so has bigger contributuin and influence iii) our President isolated Eritrea from AU and rest of the world.
            Otherwise AU consists powerful nations like Egypt who don’t exactly see eye to eye with Ethiopia. And there are other Africa’s giants like S Africa, Nigeria, Ghana and so on. You really think these big nations are Ethiopia’s stooges? It is an insult!
            And IGAD? Surely Ethiopia has bigger leverage there but even IGAD is not Ethiopia.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Passerby,
            Oh my brother, Sorry the answer is simply to brother Gheteb. Because he likes such sarcastic argument. When he equate one unit of an entity to the whole entity (IGAD to Ethiopia), I just replayed the game he loves it. At least to have fun. Otherwise there is no such logic in politics to begin with. If you scroll down you will find my response to his response again. I hope brother Gheteb with all his intellectual capacity will restrain from such unproductive game. Thank you anyway.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Gheteb,

      What could be bothering you in the above request I made on behalf of myself and you? You didn’t participate in authoring or preparing the Document, right? You’ve read in the above article that this new initiative (my word) is something that rethinks issues 1) on Eritrea, 2) on Eritrea-Ethiopia and 3) on the region and beyond, right? From the article above, 2 sounds to be the focus of the document. Wouldn’t you then be curious enough to take an active interest in knowing it, and maybe understanding it, and maybe discussing it, and maybe contributing to it? You seem to be more energetic and enthusiastic on Ethiopian affairs than the ones about home. You seem to be convinced that the best way to positively reprice PFDJ is to campaign against Ethiopia, not to make it a better performer at home. Only this way makes sense why you are so uninterested in knowing what SGJ and his group have in store but you busing yourself in motivating every single cell in your body to make it sound as if Ethiopia is going a revo Tahrir style. This is just because some demonstrators clashed with a police on the streets of Addis. That is no news. In fact the news could be that it was handled without fatality. You were accusing people here for reading too much into the fatal clash that took place recently at AdiQeyiH during the houses demolition by trivializing as little event and here the tear gas event as the first page of a real revolution. You are so trying hard, trying hard for nothing to take the entire attention across border. One important lessons of reality for you should be this: there is really nothing PFDJ can do reprice itself. It has been a road of diminishment, and every time at an accelerated pace. Some of us don’t doubt that it is the end of PFDJ. We’ are just worried what conditions that might leave us with. State collapse and somalization (civil war) fears are not unreasonable fears. Ethiopia’s civil war fear was most likely in 1991. On wards, every single year has been an added distance away from that possibility. Ours is the direct mirror opposite.

      Hayat

      • ‘Gheteb

        Look at you HA writing volumes to repeat one thing over and over again. Why don’t you write like Serray in an entertainingly and piercingly concise ways. You haven’t come up with any new idea that I can think of except for calling on an Ethiopian invasion of Eritrea. All you write about is “too much PFDJ hate and too much Weyane love”. Well, as a prototypical water-carrier for the Weyanes, I shouldn’t expect anything else from you.

        Here is an important message to you, HA, and please jot it down in your talking-points note or notebook so that you won’t ever forget it.

        1) Don’t you ever make any request on my behalf especially when the request deals with the execrably loathsome Weyanes.

        2) To drive this message home and hopefully it will be indelibly be lodged in your memories, let me say this: I will never touch the Weyanes that you seem to be so hopelessly smitten with, even with the longest barge pole. Let me even make it more emphatic. If there were to be a nuclear holocaust on Earth, God forfend, and by some miracle that the only survivors on Earth are the Weyane and I, here I am telling you affirmatively I will prefer death to dealing with the detestable Weyanes.

        Here is another important message to you, HA. You have said recently that if I don’t stop provoking you that you are going “to hit Gheteb very hard”. Well, since I loathe fervently all the thuggish lingo that you are so enamored with, I won’t utilize them as they aren’t part of my ‘active dictionary’.

        However, I will tell you that if you keep provoking me, you will surely end up walking with your head instead of your feet. This is in addition to you “sleeping with your head down every single night”. The only reason I haven’t opted to do so is simply because you are way ‘ too fragile to handle tough talk’.

        Since you have literally deafened my ears with your Weyane hosannas as if your Weyane- land is some sort of Shangri la, l hate to remind you once again that ‘all that glitters is not gold’.

        Well, since “you are an interesting piece human being who leaves no stone unturned to make the Weyanes look so good”, read the two articles linked below

        http://www.tesfanews.net/eritrea-earned-1-billion-in-revenue-from-bisha/

        http://www.tesfanews.net/swelling-ethiopian-migration-casts-doubt-on-its-economic-growth/

        http://www.tesfanews.net/kenya-arrest-140-illegal-ethiopian-immigrants/

      • ‘Gheteb

        Look HA,

        Don’t you ever make any request on my behalf especially when the request deals with the execrably loathsome Weyanes as I have never authorized you to speak on my behalf. Speak for yourself only or for those who have explicitly asked you to do so. I am asking you to delete the “you” part from the quoted sentence below.

        Here below is the exact quote I am responding to.

        “What could be bothering you in the above request I made on behalf of myself and you?”

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Ayneta,
    .
    I appreciate your analysis and response, thanks.
    .
    K.H

  • Mizaan1

    SJ, great article.

    The part I liked the most is where you drew the analogy of oppositions based in Ethiopia vs USA. In PFDJ land, those two are the ultimate enemies of the Eritrean people. So how can one justify operating from the USA and condemn operating from Ethiopia. Actually you didn’t like the word operation so I will change it to residing if I reference it again.

    But to most PFDJ supporter and sympathizers, who are the majority in this forum incredibly surprisingly to me, the USA is the enabler of the TPLF regime but most of the money PFDJ receives in its operations comes from the USA. So if PFDJ is residing or operating in the ultimate enemy’s land, what is the beef about residing in Ethiopia as an opposition. The people in this forum have been sent by PFDJ including Selam, Peace, your favorite Ted (I don’t know why you said you like him but I don’t care). They are here to create mass confusion about Ethiopia, TPLF, PFDJ, and the opposition in Ethiopia. Looking at the equation from any angle, the responsible party for our current predicament is squarely PFDJ, nobody else whatsoever. Let’s not lose our focus from IA and PFDJ. The rest of the fat as you refer to it as is simply unneeded and must be burned off.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dearest Mizaan1

      Could you focus on substance please, try to discard comments of people you suspect of acting on behalf of PFDJ rather than leveling accusations you can’t prove, please. Look at this:”The people in this forum have been sent by PFDJ including Selam, Peace, your favorite Ted (I don’t know why you said you like him but I don’t care).” Do you have a prove for this? Don’t you believe others also have the same right in saying things the way they understand them?

      • Passerby

        Mahmud,
        Of course he has no proof of people being sent by the regime. A sane minded person wouldn’t believe that for a second.
        He is just witch-hunting people for their views.

      • Peace!

        Dear Mahmud,

        He doesn’t listen, ugh! I have seen him using multiple nick names and several of his comments ended up in trash bin. He has nothing to contribute other than calling names. Please ignore him.

        regards

        • Ted

          Dear Peace, it has become their habit accusing and naming people for telling them things are not working to the point of irreconcilable differences between TPLF and Eritrean people that you we need to go our separate ways. They have nothing to show for in defense of TPLF after 15 yrs except to shoot the messenger.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            Exactly! It is funny that they have a sense of entitlement when it comes to the opposition groups, and when they asked what have you produced in the last decade, their typical response is (adjective + PFDJ). Adkimomuna;(

            Regards

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear peace and passerby (beAl ghebey, in Tigrayt)
          Hey peace, remember your uncle SAAY’s motto?
          “No Eritrean left behind.” The Truth – Bound Society Cherishes that motto. Now, you know why I can’t ignore him. Cheers.

    • Peace!

      Dear Mizan,

      Have you heard when Ethiopians say “Y’gulucha M’elewawet Wet A’ytaF’tem” ? Or, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” That’s the dilemma the Grief Counseling (opposition) groups are facing. They have miserably failed to help Eritreans even outside the country, let alone inside.

      regards

  • S.Tesfa

    Israel’s War on Africans

    https://youtu.be/OkIssGTh-Rk?t=15

    • AOsman

      Dear S.Tesfa,

      No place is safe for our people these days, south, north, west and east, all are no go area. I know it is convenient for the government when they leave Eritrea as it allows them it to bring in fresh blood to EDF, as they maintaining a sustainable size of army and those on national service allocated to other government departments.

      As weird as it sounds I am finding myself in agreement with Nitricc on the issue of migration. We have to advise our brothers and sisters to stay put in Eritrea and help them to run their personal affairs in there.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Michael

        Osman
        That is why this moment is a wake up call for all eritreans to come together to remove a genocidal regime at home so that we call all go back home and live in peace. If you look from cost and benefit analysis-we are paying a higher price in terms of blood and money more than we could have paid had we had confronted the regime by force.

        • sarah ogbay

          Selam Michael,
          A lot higher considering the priceless young lives we are paying. Sometimes it is amazing how dumb we are to have thought this regime with shark teeth could be removed peacefully. Not even after the first boat tragedy, about five years back, did we think that the price is getting higher fast and we might not afford it after sometime.

          • Michael

            Selam Sara

            The question that deserve an honest answer from is: where is the threshold for our suffering? Where is the turning point where began to feel like we must take real action against the regime? Our tragedies remind me now and then a quote from Joseph Stalin of USSR, ” Death is the only solution to all problems, if there is no man, there is no problem” Yet again, this barbaric extreme communist ideology is still being used in Eritrea as key domestic and foreign policy by the vindictive freak architect of death and starvation-Isais Afeworki to get rid of anyone who appears to be potential threat to him and his gang club.

            In a lab, normally you can conduct and experiment to observe if the behaviour of a certain substance changes under variable conditions (say temperature). In Eritrea, Issais is using similar experiment to observe any behavioural change among the people once they are put through various degrees of sufferings. Sadly, we Eritrearns have managed to show no significant reaction so far, despite we have been exposed to some of the most extreme and horrible human conditions that would normally generate maximum outrage and violence in most part of the world or societies. This is the experimental fact that encourages Issais to conclude that he must carry on his barbarism until the point where he starts to observe new and significant change from within.

        • AOsman

          Dear Michael,

          We need to concentrate on empowering and supporting our youth in Eritrea and those in the vicinity (refugees in Sudan and Ethiopia). They must take charge of their future, if they become hopeless, we will not be able to remove the regime.

          Regards
          AOsman

      • sara

        Dear ato Osman
        about the last paragraph, as long as the push and pull factors are not altered the immigration thing will
        continue.

        • AOsman

          Dear Sara,

          Don’t you think the Eritrean regime is the only entity that can reduce the unprecedented migration from Eritrea?
          Just taking few simple policy changes like (i) relaxing the indefinite national service if they feel they cannot stop it, (ii) opening up the country for business without much interference would have made a huge difference.
          These guys never tire from making life a hell and leaving no option for our youth, but to die trying for something better elsewhere.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • sara

            Dear ato Osman
            ok, there may be things the GOV, could do, how about those in the diaspora ‘OPPO” shouldn’t they also have to act responsibly instead of only playing the blame game.

          • AOsman

            Dear Sara,

            If the whole opposition decided to stop blaming as of today (TIM MERITZNA INTEZIBLU), nothing will change. However if the government took few steps and changed its approach, you would see much change.

            Now let put ourselves in the regimes shoe (am wearing PFDJ hat 🙂 ) and try to understand the risk it faces by changing at least the two policies. Would it be a dangerous move? I cannot understand how they think, please help me here.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • sara

            Dear ato Osman
            my take is, nothing will happen to the government if it do or don’t, it could sustain any pressure from outside. let me share with you how some one elder tegadalay( who served elf and eplf and now who opposes the gov) told me, this situation brings back to him memories of the 79-84 period in the eritrean arena,and he thinks they will overcome it as in the past, and he advises eris not lose hope due to the prevailing situation, but . at the same time he says to keep pressing the gov,to improve
            or reform its policies.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sara:
            The government beyond reform, even if we want it to be reformed. Impossible to reform, it is has been shredded, the urgency is not to allow the shredding of Eritrea with it. the years you mention is irrelevant, the ghedli the unwavering support of the Eritrean people, as Dergi upped the ante with killing and repression, the people responded by joining and supporting gheldi, their children as they endearingly called them.
            The government is power and it is the one to be blamed, the opposition can be blamed for incompetence but not for the crimes and destruction of the country. Eritreans should brace for the collapse of the regime and the nations and be prepared emotionally and intellectually how survive that era of darkness ahead, of corruption, of killing, strife m looting and anarchy in Eritrea, PFDJ will continue to cease as government but it will continue as a mafia group and since it is not original it may call itself “natna guday” a literal translation of “Cossa Nostra”.
            Our darkest ages are ahead and we will be tested once again if we can overcome them. It is a different kind of fight against the monsters of our own creation and the fighting skills we have perfected may not come handy, it will require a different kind of skill. The darkness will only be defeated with a combination of rule of law, force and the ghedli like focus on the defeating the enemy within

          • sara

            ato semere
            is that to me, what did i say that makes you throw those many stones, i just shared what i know and hear with ato Osman. sir i read you somewhere appreciating the poem from anis of tunis, that quick you forgot the message. didn’t he said so many things that also appeals to all our disagreements.
            sir, whatever you say the best way forward for eritreans is to unite and reform what ever shortcomings there is , other than that — well, majority of eritreans live in eritrea and in the immediate neighborhood, not in distant north or south,and they know what is going on around them to choose play with fire as you sound to perpetuate
            with due respect.

          • AOsman

            Dear Sara,

            I am not sure if you are a supporter or opposition to the government, it does not matter as well as long as our discussion is focused on trying to understand our problem as a nation and then seeking workable solutions. I may disagree with Semere’s take on many things that are debated and partly on the level of alarm of what awaits us post PFDJ, but the fact that we will have a group of mafia that may/will take control and make things worse should not be ignored. It needs to be addressed as a serious risk and the mitigating actions need to be taken if it is within our capacity.

            Dear Semere,

            Many Eritreans have opted for the “devil that we know than the devil we do not know”, your recent message of alarm does justify their position, the only difference is that the devil that you have identified is a recent phenomena that they get a chunk of blame for supporting its growth.
            Loosing hope is not the way to go, it is a smaller and manageable problem, so long the opposition prepare for the departure of DIA and work together to avoid chaos.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • sara

            Dear ato, Osman
            thank you for your cordial reply, honestly for an average eritrean (like me) supporting the government is a necessity not a choice considering all what we have gone through in the past and what we are facing now, at the same time we also sympathize with, and encourage the opposition hoping they will play a constructive role in taking eritrea towards a united,peaceful, prosperous, democratic nation. .the question is,if we say the government is as mostly eluded here in this forum how about the opposition? are the opposition ready,organized in every sense to play that role expected from them from the people. i think- not yet!
            with respect!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Sara; please don’t mind Semere. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. His dream is for Ethiopia to invade (calling for it openly on this forum) Eritrea and that way PFDJ to collapse and then Semere can go to Asmara to show his donated smart-phone. He is eager to share his story how he lives in heaven called Canada; and how everything is given to you. He needs to share these wonderful stories he has. That is the only way that will make him complete for his empty and empty life. What amazes me is that he thinks the Ethiopians are stupid to do the dirty and bloody job for him while he is collecting his charity in Canada; how sick is that?

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Please plug the power cord to the wall. this debate is not about Ethiopians. But what can we expect from a robot, there is something called formatting, you need to that once a while.
            If Ethiopia goes to war against Eritrea will you leave your cleaning job in the USA army and go fight for Eritrea?

          • sara

            Dear Nitricc
            you are right , canada is a peaceful, generous nation, and it is also known for taking care of our compatriots when in desperation, and i am optimistic those who are cared by canada have no inclination to betray the fundamental values of a nation which is known for its peacefulness.

          • Semere Andom

            Sara:
            I just told you the reality as I see it. I did not throw stones at you and I did not withdraw my appreciation of the poem of peace. I told you PFDJ cannot be reformed , it will not reform, it will take the country down with it. I can write pages to prove that, from their track record, their rhetoric and how they have never showed an iota of good faith.
            I explained the facts as I see them, you can prove me wrong, but you cannot just dream for peace, ask me to express my yearning for it and that will be the solution.

          • sara

            ato semere
            as far as i understand from eri-history PFDJ or its predecessor an outcome of what we call a islah movement of the 60th,and a lot more in the 70th and 80th so why do we assume the opposite while we have that historical perspective to guide us and hope for the better.i know you could write pages to tell us it is not but we the average eritreans in the street thinks its double.i could also write you pages in this regard but i do not see it necessary.
            my reply is not to change your thoughts or debate you with this 2cents of mine , but simply to put to your attention what the majority of eritreans think.
            maa’ehtramee!

          • Ted

            Semere, “the ghedli the unwavering support of the Eritrean people” it is quite a departure from your past comments that only 5% were involved in the liberation struggle. You would be surprised to find out how many still have hopes on the Gov and work to reform it, my guess is you already know. It is evident our country is in dire situation, the youth fleeing, the economy lagging and justice and freedom vanishing, credit to the opposition, they are good at putting a light on the misery of our people and the crimes of the Gov. Unfortunately they fall short. There is the difference the way you see things and the majority. The majority thinks their country is in trouble and want be the part of the solution by reforming the Gov from further falling apart on the other hand you advocate for complete demolition of the gov and its structure. No one denies the urgency of things but putting gasoline on the fire won’t be the solution.

          • Semere Andom

            Selam Ted:
            I knew you would say that:-) There is a problem of comprehension here. Ok, I am a gentleman, let me say it was my part, the fault 😉
            In the 5% I was not talking about those who blessed with their hearts and those who refused to obey the Dergi, those who went to Sudan and refused to ask for Ethiopian passport, it was shameful for Eritreans to have the passport and many missed opportunities for their refusal. The 5% refers to those who actively sacrificed lives and contributed financially consistently. The rest was supporting and go the free ride.
            About the reform, I can bet their hopes will be dashed . I never said the opposition is good, falling short is understatement, your are kind to them. If the government truly reforms, I will be happy. But it will not Ted. That hope is a killer, elongating the suffering and making us delusional. We will be here talking the same this time 2016. PFDJ will not go easy, it is their lives, they will put up a fight even if that means taking the country with them. Hope for reform from PFDJ must be anchored on reality and their track record.

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, there is a constitution like posting for the rule of engagement when discusing Eritrean matter written by The Greatest. MS, i read it and respect it, it is now shelved by SJ. I respectfully object your new explanation what 5% means for you since it was clear that you debated the 95% as “ay neberena ay Tefeana” crowed who don’t mind who come rescue them. But it is not the point since you have said worse, PFDJ is like ISIS. My point is what have we done to force the Gov to reform? It is evident the opposition has put all kind pressure, intimidation and attack with the help of (TPLF, US and its allies) hoping the gov quit. The last 15 yrs was hard time for Eritreans to see their own people go all out for eradication of what they have built with their own sweat and blood. They watched the opposition/activists in dismay, praying their Gov withstand the the assault trying to cripple it from the core. if you open your eyes you would realize they are not just kebero junkies who want to dance for sake of it but a show of support that Eritrea Gov survive. Eritreans are nationalistic people who see every attempt direct and indirect by outside forces as an attempt to undermine their country. The opposition/activists work for the last 15 yrs is nothing short than regime change, We never tried to force the Gov to reform and accommodate us while respecting the fears and conceptions of Eritreans and the Gov itself.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            I strike me as a rookie in Eritreanism
            Eritreans tried many times to reform EPLF. PFDJ. But to save you headache from truth let me just mention recent attempt by Eritreans for to reform their government and avoid the reforms movements of the ghedli era and what happened to them. PFDJ/EPLF is habitually deceiving group and the following items are recent events at reform
            1. G13: intellectuals wrote a letter to IA to reform , they were deferential and expressed their apprehension of his actions.
            2.G15.: Veteran fighters who have not being heart of since Sep 18, 2011 asked for reform and accountability
            3. As early as 1992, immediately after independence, Eritreans like Seyoum Harsetai, a peer of IA in every measure dismantled their armed wings and called transition to a civilian transition, promised to cooperate and their trips to Asmara were cancelled hours before boarding the plan.
            It is not that Eritreans did not reform a chance, they did. So now to wish reform from PFDJ is hallucination.
            About the 5% are you insisting that we have 1 million fighters and 2 million “hafash wudubat” You mixing motivational rhetoric and facts> Fact is EPLF never had more than 100k fighters and not more than 400k “hafash wudubat” How hard is this to grasp?
            You are lying and lying means deliberately saying the opposition allied with US and TPLF. The opposition existed long before TPLF and PFDJ became enemies and they were in Addis and they were doing what they are doing now. You deliberately lump all the opposition as TPLF lackeys. This is blatant lie. Stay away from it. Ask why are the opposition not in Eritrea. This website that you are commenting at is an opposition and its founder visited Ethiopia a couple of times to fight for Eritrea and I know he is not TPLF sell out. the same goes with many of them. If you know specific groups who are mention them by name and expose them. As long as PFDJ keeps repressing people Eritreans should fight it from every corner of the globe and also most definitely from where 500K are residing now, Ethiopia

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Semere and Ted,

            A lot of the debate seems to evolve around the word ;reform’. May be people should first tell us what exactly they mean by ‘reform’. IMO, trying to improve PFDJ without major changes in the political, economic and social structures of the Sate of Eritrea = ሕልሚ ደርሆ.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Ted

            Dear FS, IMO, reform means gradually changing it for the better ” in the political, economic and social structure of state of Eritrea” Hilmi Derho, not.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Ted,

            Gradually changing who?

            FS

          • Ted

            Dear FS, Gradually changing the Government for a better.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Ted,

            So IMO, is there distinction between Gov of Eritrea and PFDJ?

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Araya

            FS
            Interesting? this the 3rd time I am reading you asking the same question. I have read people giving you their answers and you have thanked them in the past. why are you asking the same question this time around?

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Araya,

            The reason I asked Ted that question is because I want to have a better/distinctive understanding of his position (so that I can avoid making assumptions). I have seen many people use pfdj and gov of Eri interchangeably and thus ask for clarification…

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Ted

            Dear FS,
            Tomato Tomahto, clear enough.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Ted,

            Thanks, this tells a lot.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Ted

            Semere, As long as you fail to grasp the concept people support the Gov , you accomplish nothing except banging your head on the wall. To find the answer as to “why” will save you a lot of grief. Their sympathy for the Gov is not out of love of IA but for the love of the country.

            “founder visited Ethiopia a couple of time” he seem not be a blind follower like you. Read Eritrean Janus Ethiopian Hydra, he has a lot of reservation about TPLF.
            I like the new version explanation of 5% better.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Ayneta,
    .
    You sound so reasonable, I wonder if you can agree or disagree with my following statements.
    .
    I don’t know but I am of the opinion that the Ethiopian Government wont allow an armed opposition groups to operate out of its territory. If that is an accurate statement, why don’t all opposition groups conduct their meetings and seminars some where else other than Ethiopia. Their is a lot of baggage left over. Someone said that Eritrean opposition go to Ethiopia to die, then why go there.
    They can meet anywhere close to where the majority attendees reside or are comfortable with, ex. Nairobi, Kenya.
    .
    Why does it have to be in Ethiopia with all the history, suspicion and still lingering antagonism?
    .
    Is it not better to own all your agendas without being labeled by PFDJ and those not in attendance?
    .
    K.H

  • Saleh Johar

    Ben Emil,
    I don’t know what to make of your comment, and I do t think you read my article. If you did, I doubt you understood it. To start with a small part: I never referred to that man neither as PIA or DIA. Where did you get that?

    You are free to read anything between the lines, but sometimes people also hear voices. Neither these kind of hearing or reading can stand basic scrutiny. Save youself the trouble. If you have any argument against what is written, I am here to learn from you. But I am not concerned about your ability to read lines that are not there between the written lines. That is because I cannot argue with sittel wediE, or zaAgol– the Sardayit.

  • Yosef

    its Not…. if everything in pairs run by French government. that means Awate run by Us sorry i mean kuwait

    • Saleh Johar

      Yosief,

      Debating requires basic honesty. The conclusion that everything in Paris is run by the French government is your statement not mine. If you have evidence of that I would like to know, please !

      • Yosef

        You Said ..”just like France runs ERENA,..” where is Your evidence …? Erena based on Frnace that it doesn’t mean run Buy FRANCE….are you accusing others …because they are better than you financially..You Know why Becuase they are better

        • Saleh Johar

          Yosief,
          I might return to you when you have an argument that you present coherently. I do not engage in blubber.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Abu Saleh,

    You know we have different take on the nature of our opposition and their relationship with the Ethiopian government. We have debated on that, and indeed it was a passionate debate. I will restrain myself now from going another cycle of argument. But trust me, it is not the fault of Ethiopian government. It is because,we don’t trust each other (the oppositions) to work together. History will prove this in due time, as there is nothing done to mitigate the mistrust. I am not saying this to debate on it. But I am saying to show my reservation until it hits the reality home.
    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Saleh Johar

      Amanuel,
      Zekaalen TeHinen baale mariam 🙂

      Indeed we have a rift-valley sized difference on this. But Unlike you, I will not say “I will restrain myslef now….” and empty my argument here. I will restraint myself, really restrain myslef. All I can say is: don’t whip yourself, I mean, you can whip yourself as much as you wish, but don’t whip other Eritreans like me along with you 🙂

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Saleh,
        Can you elaborate what you mean by “whip” please? If you believe there is no mistrust among the organizations, we shall see?

        • Saleh Johar

          Ammanuel,
          Like beating yourself, saying “it’s our mistake…” ect. Whip = Kurmaj. It is an expression, don’t read too much into it. One can beat himself with a stick, or slap himself, like punishing himself for wrongdoing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saleh,
            Let us give it time, and let history disprove me on my position which says “it is our inherent mistrust to each other that hold us from moving forward”. I am not whipping myself nor to anyone for that matter. I am telling you the truth of our reality, as we speak.

  • Ted

    Dear Saleh,

    It is quite a jab, you gave everyone a bleeding nose. I hope these people ” And that is why a group of Eritrean citizens has taken an initiative;” have a better luck. “……penetrated deep inside Eritrea in the last war, no opposition brought it in. It came on its own” i am not going back to discus who won the war or the battle but one thing was clear in the minds of opportunistic opposition who went to get to shake the hands of TPLF afterwards; they thought it was the matter of time before they get to march to Asmara and take power. They were in the dark the extent or capasity of TPLF influencing PFDJ or the people of Eritrea and 15 yrs later they have not got a clue what TPLF can and can’t do for them. We are yet to see the opposition party convincing Eritreans(elephant in the room) TPLF is the way to go, i has become a taboo subject. Good take on opposition and our plight but With all respect you left out to criticize or praise the most important factor in our struggle, the people”silent majority” who have seen all kind of opposition come and go as their liberators.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ted,
      I have to admit I like you.
      The silent majority! Ah the poor invalidated speechless, deaf and mute crowd. I always pray they get well. If you try to create a simple table, then put the number of Eritreans who were able bodied and of sane mind, who lived between 1961-1991, and what fraction of that number took it upon themselves to liberate Eritrea, you will see that the number of the poor silent crowd is just the same. Ayneberena ayTefaana–there will always be the wronged poor crowd who are forced to be silent all the time, though I can’t figure out the culprit who muzzles their mouth, and why, and it is not important 🙂

      Take home message: there will always be the silent. it is natural and it should not be treated like it is a new phenomenon. Eritreans learned to live with that, and they have not forgotten the lesson, yet. What is that someone famous said, I will not forget something-something, but the silence of my something-something? I can’t remember that. But silence in the face of oppression is not virtue. Ted! You know better than to try to make it seem so.

      Cheers

      • Ted

        Dear SJ, Aha, Can something exist without being perceived? how do we know? Are they really mute and deaf. Is it possible that they can be pressed to feel, speak or hear or it is impossible to assume that PFDJ has put spill on them. If the later is the case we have a chance that there is a potion to reverse it but it seems a hard work, who has time for that when the Ethiopians are capable of marching all over PFDJ as they did in Barentu front. The ” Ayeneberena Ay Tefana” thing was put by Semere eloquently saying only 5% of Eritreans liberated Eritrea, it seems it has grown in the hearts of the opposition more than we thought. Some day the mutes will scream so loud to shatter the ear drum of groups who squandered their chance for better country. I like you too big Bro.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ted,

          Amen. A million Amen. Afka yesAar. I pray they shutter our ear drums. But then, isn’t the reason I consider the deaf and mute because they couldn’t do a fraction that? Like speaking. You wishes are a blessing. Thank for wishing that to happen. See! Where are differing? We are not

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, you have been in the thick of the tsunami, the overwhelming political jargon coming from every direction for the” defense/liberation” Eritreans for the last 15 yrs. It is hard to handle and discern for the educated person like you let alone to the “unsophisticated kebero junkies”( curtsy of Mizan). Trust me on this one that your wish will come true to shatter our ear drums, they are dealing the situation with the only way they know how, playing dead.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Nephew Ted the Great
      Amanuel Hidrat declared that it’s our inherent mistrust of each other that’s keeping us from moving forward. As far as Amanuel is concerned, it’s a closed case. He added that history will absolve him he was right. Emma strongly believes (he repeated it twice) that Eritreans are inherently unable to come together in order to solve their problems. What’s next Ted? You guessed it correctly.

      • Ted

        Merhaba the Greatest, i was talking about big brother SJ about the coming of sleeping giants. I consider Aboy quishe ferese Amanuel , a political atheist equivalent to the one who renounced God/people of Eritrea. How is your exorcism working with brother Semere.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Ted
          I used to say “those who gave up on their people” whenever I refer to people who tell us we are helpless and thus Ethiopian involvement is Halal. The importance of Ethiopia as a neighbor and a country that has vested interest of what comes after PFDJ is not debatable. What’s debatable is if the current Ethiopian government has restricted its role to only providing Eritrean opposition with space without involving itself in the making of future Eritrean kings.

          Anyway, Amanuel tells us now, “it is our inherent mistrust with each other that hold us from moving forward.” No wonder for the calls of Ethiopian interference.

          On Semere: Let me just say, it’s a work in progress. I followed yesterday’s debate between you guys, and semere was at times reckless. But I admit your assault was merciless. Gen. Nit also aggravated the situation to the extent that Semere had to launch his “Habesha” manifesto prematurely. So, Ted, the exorcism seems to work when Gen.Nit is assigned somewhere else.

          But honestly, it was entertaining. Suddenly we knew medical Dx of semere (bipolar, according to Hope) and cousin Hope depression (according to Semere). They both agreed to take their medications as ordered, and just hope they do so.

          Now, a sorcerer is called sardayt in Tigrayet. The following song is by AAA, lyrics by no other than our SGJ. It’s weekend, and I love AHMED ABDELREHIM, HERE IS THE SONG. This is the best song.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6iekgPESv4

      • ghezaehagos

        Selam Haw Mahmud Saleh again,
        Allow me to interject in this. Emma has very good point here. It is regretful you miss to see this obvious observation. Again, I suspect you don’t know much about the internal politics of Eritrean opposition or you are hiding what you know about them. In the tyranny circle it is the fear of the mafiaso boss that holds them together; in our deleyti-fithi camp, it is the mistrust that is our albatross.
        Forget Ethiopia, literally. I can give you myriad examples where groups who the same vision, the same position on Ethiopia STILL fail to resolve their differences. Groups that existed together for decades fell to schism and continue to have same position again in Ethiopia. Diasporic groups who have similar position on Ethiopia and others fail to merge…the list goes on and on.
        The mistrust between the old and young; the young and the old; the elf and eplf; the warsay generation and the eplf background; the religion; the region; the list goes on and on.
        As you well know, since 1941 for almost 75 years we ‘ve seen unrelenting politicisation, militarization of our small nation. We have sacrificed a lot…to what end!? In a nutshell, in my opinion, betrayal has become our hallmark. Though could be expected in politics, it took a deeply personal turn in our case; because for us it has always been about survival. ELF betrayed haraka; EPLF surprised and decimated ELF. EPLF betrayed the Eritrean people; Isaias betrayed EPLF. You can trace it back to 1946’s lamentation of Geremeskel Woldu’s ‘EHHHHHH..’ after waela betegergis…the list goes on and on.
        So, who believes who now? Heck if this much sacrifice and this untold and historically impossible bravery ‘ends’ in the containers of Aderser, hills of Era-iro, caves of Sinai *this-shall-pass-too*, belly’s of Mediterranean, beaches of Lampedusa and sharp Edges of Daesh in Sirte, in such few years, then who are we to trust again….Hence, a huge mistrust safely stands between us. That for me has been the biggest, biggest challenge. You find a people who for all practical purposes have given up in their nation, in their future and wants to simply save their family member….Again the ‘siq ilka iyu adeye Adeye…’
        Restoring their faith is a monumental and crucial task…yet to be tried.
        All the best,
        Ghezae

        • Mizaan1

          Dear Ghezae,

          You made great points in your comment and everything I wanted to say and more. I actually said a few things like you did a month or two ago and I was chewed by the hardline nationalists as someone who has given up. You wait and see what Tes, Selam, Ted, etc are going to say to you.

          In any case, I go even smaller. I worked on some Eritrean organizations in my localities which are borderline anti-PFDJ’s mission. I can tell you this – the deep mistrust not only goes on organizational levels but it is on a personal level. Before someone takes you seriously, they must know, who you are – former EPLF or ELF, pro or anti regime, from Akele or Hama, which church, you name it. Like some people say, we have a huge house keeping problem. The deep mistrust has been systematically instilled by PFDJ by poking their nose in everything and spreading unfounded rumors about individuals and organizations. You have no idea how many times I or my friends have been victims of PFJD infiltration in any project we took on. If someone was to conduct a simple census of who are PFDJ supporters in the diaspora and the anti-PFDJ, it would be crystal clear on which lines we are divided. Topping PFDJ may not be easy, but what will be awfully hard is restoring trust among Eritrean organization and individuals. Even churches have become a place where spying is conducted and members of one church are so mistrustful of each other that they snitch on each other, example reporting to PFDJ when a member of the church goes to Eritrea.

          I do agree with SJ though on pretty much everything he said in this article. Ethiopia has played a big role as well in creating a mistrust in the individuals and groups that operate from there. One thing SJ is undoubtedly spot on is who is in charge in the Ethiopian government for Eritrean affairs. He is also right about groups that just create mass confusion by diverting the attention of our biggest problem into Ethiopia based opposition groups instead of PFDJ itself.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mizan,
            We can have points of agreement and disagreement. But accusing people without proof, based on perception is wrong. Accepting people for what they state, particularly when you mention specific names or nicks, is a sign that we accept diversity. That doesn’t mean there are no infiltrators on any organized activity–that is what intelligence agencies do. I know peace, he is not an infiltrators (he is a contrarian 🙂 He is not a PFDJ mole as you implied.

            Besides, we are here to debate, and debate doesn’t go well with unfounded accusations. Even if there is a chance that your accusations might be true, since we cannot prove it in public, we should restrain ourselves from declaring it in public. Just a brotherly advice.

            Take care

          • Mizaan1

            SJ, I appreciate your advice because I regard your ideas, opinions, beautiful writings very highly. I have no problem with everything you said and it should be the moral principle for anybody here or elsewhere. But the counter-accusation Semere Andom, Amanuel Hidrat, occasionally also myself, etc. receive on a daily basis are much more unfounded and organized in nature. How does Nitricc has any proof whatsoever calling Hayat Dedebitawit, or others calling some of us paid TPLF agents, unionists, etc. with no factual basis? I am not arguing with you in any way but just stating that in my own personal view, I am convinced that there is an organized group here trying to create confusion. Let me give you a case in point. You already know how Selam writes, the grammar, word choice, structure etc. One day selam wrote a lengthy comment and the English, the content, structure, etc. was of the caliber of a prominent writer. So that gave me an idea that maybe multiple people are using the same nickname. I have long suspected that Selam is Sophia Tesfamariam.

            I have a bad news for you though not that you don’t know what I am going to tell you already. I just came home from visiting someone who came to the USA from Asmara several weeks ago. I asked him many questions but let me give you one or two here in the interest of time:

            1. Why do the people in Eritrea not react against the regime?

            His answer – nobody wants to die on behalf of anyone else any more. The sentiment of the people is dekinan ahwatnan kidmi hiji zitefuu entay rekibom. hiji ke entay kindegim. That is what I call complete demoralization and I have been accused for stating the truth as a hopeless person by Tes, Mahmud Saleh and the like.

            2. What do people think of the opposition abroad?

            His answer – nobody in Eritrea has any hope from the opposition. They have never done anything for us and they never will. They just want us to die for them so they can come and be in power. nisatom abzi koynom dekom yemhiru nihnan dekinan kaa kintefaalom.

            Maybe the answer to number two was a slap for those of us who ask question number one.

            So what is my point? Well, I am in the same position as the man from Asmara. I am here bashing PFDJ on a daily basis but that doesn’t mean there is any opposition group that I support, in fact, I don’t even know any. In my view, the only thing the opposition groups can and should do is help isolate the PFDJ, help deprive them off of much needed hard currency; and involving Ethiopia solicit intelligence and some logistical help, that is all.

            PFDJ accuses the opposition as being sellouts, power hungry, detached and they have got a huge portion of our people persuaded by this. Don’t count the few of us in the opposition websites, that is a drop in the bucket. But the opposition has not done anything to clear their name and this is the main reason why they cannot get any traction. They need to get in touch with the people if they are going to have any credibility. There are some signs now as in Arbi harnet and the few radio stations but the damage control part will outlive most of us.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mizaan:
            I know people think that I sleep and wakeup thinking and obsessing with PFDJ, but I do not, I am just tired about the hypocrisy of people, all of us. We do not want to tell the truth, yet we want the truth to set us free. Give truth its due and it will set you free.

            The answer to No. 1 is also made possible by PFDJ when they mocked heroism, basically told us it does not matter if you fought for liberation, you are nothing. The answer to No.2 is also false, the opposition did lots of things for the people, but PFDJ told the people the opposition does not exist, the opposition warned the people from day one about the tell-tale sigs of a tyrant, but the people danced and laughed at them. How about Wedi Ali, he ascended Forto, bravery not seen since the Ghedli era. The people believe that he is Jihadist now, PFDJ told them. The people need to make a choice to either keep committing suicide as they are doing now or kill PFDJ. Also that culture of committing suicide when you a re oppressed is PFDJ/EPLF creation and encouraged by them. You will be hard pressed to find a tegadali who killed a leader; instead he will commit a suicide.

            I also believe that there is an organized onslaught in this forum when it became open to the PFDJ supporters, when they can do that in the other places. I think AT had a change of heart in good faith when they allowed the PFDJ press here, but the fact is debate for bettering the nation, to forward your own idea that you think is superior for the country cannot be done when the other side want to keep repression. I think we are best severed by opposing ideas, but not when one want tyranny and the other freedom, that is the difference that the good faith did not consider or got wrong. I disagree with you, Emma, Sal and that is healthy, but the disagreement we have with those who want our Pol Pot to stay put should not happened and that is why they want to strip our identity. If it was up to us we would not share a nation with these people and if we were from Dedebit, we would be honored as it is where the hope of today’s Ethiopia was sparked. But we are not and even if we want we will not be accepted given their own bigotry that we see a bigotry that does not even thank you for a compliment if Eritrean people are not equally blamed for crimes. Eritrea chose us, we did not choose it and because she chose us, unlike our enemies (not adversaries) we are telling its truth and calling it the way it is, because truth will not bother setting us free if we do not tell it

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere you are spent and out of dailog when you lebeled one of the greatest Gedli as ISIS. You will never recover from this and every true Eritrean will spit at you. Don’t even try. You waste of time. No one will listen what you have to say.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Andom,
            .
            I am one of those at this forum who envy your passion and steadfastness. You are always out there duking it out.
            .
            I have seen you in the morning toe to toe with Eritreans. They come at you in bunches to deliver their slaps and punches.
            When they are done with you the Ethiopians show up in the afternoon to deliver their punches and slaps for error of your ways.
            .
            The next morning, I see you again, to do it all over again.
            .
            I am just wondering, if after you turn off your computer, you turn on your record/cd player and play that old Black American song, whose big line is “Why is everybody picki’n on me.”
            .
            K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Kim Hanna,
            Why is everybody picking on him,? Because he is talking the truth. No body likes if truth is speaking against him/her at least from my observation. Semere stood steadfastly to tell the truth of our failure and our triumph. He is one of the few rare credo in this forum.

          • Abi

            Hi Ato Amanuel
            Sem is a unique person and a truth telling champion.
            He lived in several centuries, seen all, heard all. He has witnessed the Ona massacre, he was at massawa, he was in the deserts, on the Sahel mountains, in the Mediterranean, he has been everywhere. He is omnipresent .
            He has witnessed all the ethiopian atrocities since the beginning of time.
            The only thing he missed is the deportation of ethiopians in 1991. He didn’t see or hear anything about it. I think he took sabbatical during that time. Even God took a break.
            He is indeed a truth teller .
            According to him over a 100,000 ethiopian citizens deported from eritrea don’t count. They never existed. Because he was not there to witness. He did not even take time to ask and learn as to what happened to them. Because, as I said , they are less of human beings to him. The only time he considered them as human beings is when he wants them to die for him to get rid of pfdj.
            ON MY DEAD BODY !!!

          • Semere Andom

            Abi: the Nitricc of Gonder:
            I believe Ethiopia has a future only contigent on people like you leaden with lies, exaggerations, twisting do not make it to power. We will be back to the old times when Ethiopia becomes Amhara speaking, backward, people lining up to have a glimpse of a king called “Ante Neh” who will doll Ethiopian birr depending on how low they have bowed.
            go the almighty forbid us from this as this will be in par with Noah’s flood for both peoples

          • Abi

            Sem
            You are retreating back to your Amhara bashing expertise. Actually, I care less what the future leader speaks . I care less even if he uses sigh language. I tell you we don’t die for you . Keep dreaming and crying.
            The backward Amhara thing is toooooo old and outdated. Try a new one.
            It is people like you that I am scared of. Nitricc, I have no problem with him. I have known him for years. Always the same person, predictable, with clear stand. I trust him. When he says something, I don’t think twice to know what he means. He doesn’t want me , I don’t want him. Easy!! You ? Smooth talker want my tanks to take you all the way to godana harnet.
            As the saying goes
            ” don’t afraid of an enemy who attack you, be afraid of a friend who flattters you “You are that friend I never trust.
            I wish everyone was like Nitricc. Always a straight shooter.
            Btw, don’t worry about the future of ethiopia. Don’t lose sleep over it . You can’t talk about a country you don’t know, never been to , you hated the most . You can’t talk of a people whom you fail to recognize their existence while they were in eritrea and inhumanly deported. I trust those who deported my people than a smooth talker like you who denied their existence.
            If you only did see them in plastic shelters all over addis. While eritreans danced day and night.
            As you have witnessed the atrocities in Ona, I have witnessed this .
            I have also witnessed the second batch of deportees. This time eritrean Jehovah witnesses. These ones lost even their citizenship.
            I am sure you know about them. Because this time around you were back from sabbatical and you were in asmara.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abi: the Nitricc of Gonder, I can use it now without getting in trouble as you took it as a compliment:-)
            Then you got Nitricc, not only one you got thousands of them they will make you hate your life. I never flattered anyone, I speak the truth and you cannot handle it. That is the issue. Why would I flatter you, I differentiate the Ethiopia of yesterday and the Ethiopia of today, the former bigoted the current has a shot at modernity and justice, unless, I repeat its “Nitriccs” distract it with their hate and denials and self serving motives
            Again you are pulling Nitricc, I know it and I have been to. And above all the citizens of that country you say I do not know were in my country in different capacities, as private people, as administrators, as killers, as jailers, as innocent, as collaborators. we used to call them “seb ghize”, Nitricc can translate it to Amharic for you.
            You never ever admitted about the crimes that was committed I dare say by you and you are Addis to his credit did admit and was on record saying he does not condoned the in justices on his name. Why would I deny the deported why I vigorously believed that the school shooting was deliberate by PFDJ even after the commission four Eritrea not guilty?
            I am not here to flatter or be flattered, I am here to debate, tell truth, learn and avoid group think.
            About your tanks, do not worry whether you like it or not whether I want it or not, they will be there so do not worry about it . I remember you justifying the Ona massacre by saying the ELF were among the people that is in par with justifying the Holocaust
            And just the other day you said I never insulted Ethiopia. Can you prove to readers I hated Ethiopia if you do not retract and prove it, that would be a lie

          • Abi

            Sem
            I think you spend way too much time here you are confused. When did I try to justify Ona? I have never mentioned elf. I never said elf was among the people. Bring it out if you are a truth teller.
            My only problem about the book was it is easy to be used by PFDJ in promoting hate . That is all .
            I don’t know why you jump everywhere. We are discussing 1991. You are bringing Ona along with things I did not say.
            If you do not bring those comments under my name , Do Not respond to me. If you do not respond to me I will always call you a liar.
            1– I did not mention elf
            2– I did not justify Ona by saying elf was there
            Those people you called seb – ghize ( whatever that means)
            We’re the first victims of your independence. You found them guilty of all the crimes in the face of earth and inhumanly kicked them
            out. You knew there was no one to protect them. Even a dog doesn’t bite you if you sit down. You found them sitting down and showed them who you are. You sang eritrea for eritreans!
            Amazing times!
            Deny,deny, deny , deny……

          • Ted

            DEAR KH, That is a good start for him. Turn off his gadgets for a day and “Why is everybody picki’n on me.” if he does deep soul searching he will realize that he has more hate for PFDJ than his love for his people. Does the end don’t justify the means? NO.

          • Mizaan1

            Semere, with respect to your third paragraph, it’s a shame that this website doesn’t even resemble an opposition website any more. It is increasingly becoming more appealing to the bashers of the justice seeker community. The editorial is confusing at best and the forumers are full of PFDJ sent organized chaos inflicters. I don’t care if anybody gets mad because there are other mediums too where any of us can voice our opinion but I am noticing former prominent people caving in as the noose is getting tighter on the neck of PFDJ. All the choice labels for justice seekers are coined in this website and I find it most sickening.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mizaan,

            You are doubtful (may be you are influenced by the article) as to who is in charge in the Ethiopian government for the Eritrean affairs. The answer is the “Ethiopian security department” is in charge of the Eritrean opposition who are stationed in Ethiopia. There is no other organization within the Ethiopian government who deals with the opposition. The other list that depict in the article has no truth in it. It is not unusual to be handled by the security of the country for obvious reasons. Any foreign armed or unarmed political organizations who function inside your country (especially when it is from the neighbor), it is quintessential to be seen from the eyes of security. Nothing new, we can check any liberation movement in Africa when they launched from their neighbor country.

            The Teds, the Mahmuds, and others who are interested to know about this, they need only to check on the home front. Check the Ethiopian opposition who function from Eritrea, and you will find their cases are handled by the Eritrean Security department. Again for the same obvious reason, like that of ours in Ethiopia. Another example, When USA deals with any liberation movement, it is always handled and reported by CIA.

            In order to substantiate my argument, let me give you a simple example from our history and my experience. For some years I have served from the rear part of our armed struggle, meaning in Sudan (in Khartoum and Port-Sudan) where arms and food shipment gets an entry to our degen areas. During those years of our struggle, our case was handled by the “Ministry of Interior” (meaning the security dept of the Sudanese government). Even those “political mediation or reconciliation attempted” in 1977 and 1978 between EPLF and ELF was handled by the security apparatus of the Sudanese government, before it is signed in front President Nemieri. That is from the womb of out history.

            The idea that something I heard saying our case should be handled by the “foreign office of Ethiopian government” is unrealistic, and there is no any historical account of that nature for any liberation movement to be handled by the diplomatic office of a country. So when we argue it should be something realistic.

            The PFDJites who pretend as part of the opposition camp in this forum always allude that the enemy of Eritrean people are Ethiopia and USA. If working from the vicinity of our country “Ethiopia” is wrong, because it is assumed as an enemy, what makes it different working from USA the other declared enemy of Eritrea? They have never been at least consistent with their argument. They know it. But as to why they are using it, is simply to hold our struggle a hostage to the perception of our people.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Gezae
          Thanks for the explanation. I have the impression that you are honest and are trying to help us all. Even when it comes to brother Amanuel Hidrat, I have no doubt he has the best intentions in his heart. It’s a matter of open minded exchange of information. You said earlier that it appeared to you I didn’t read your reply; I have to tell you that the reason I used SGJ words to make my points was to ease the communication by steering it away from arguments of personal nature. You can read it again, your comment was full of negative personal remarks.
          1. I don’t believe we are “inherently” unable to come together around common goals. The problem is with the people assuming leadership, not with the people, per se.
          2. I have no second thoughts with regard to Ethiopian role: Rightfully, Ethiopia will invest in factions which could maximize its return in terms of territorial claims, access to see (economic) and regional security. If we could have a united front, a popular front dependent on its people, the cost of such relationship could have been mitigated. Remember, Sudan was our rear outlet and “base”, Sudan tried to influence the liberation organizations of that time, including TPLF, but since those organizations’ existence depended on their people, Sudanese meddling was controlled. Eritreans owned their political agenda and liberation road map. Therefore, given the fact that there is unsettled territorial issue between Eritrea and Ethiopia, it’s natural of Eritreans to be extremely cautious. Your role as a public figure is to explain to us. Please do so when you get time, I mean big time explanation, may be article size.
          3. Having said that, the next thing critics are raising is RESULTS. What has the results of Ethio-Eritrean opposition been? You will agree with me that it’s been painfully disastrous.
          a, it did not produce an independently viable Eritrean political body.
          b, it scared off Eritreans from rallying around those organizations due to the above complicated nature of the issue (what’s the nature of Ethiopian support? Could it really be restricted at helping Eritreans remove tyranny or it goes beyond that….?) I mean these are legitimate questions. So, Gezae, let’s stay away from quick branding of critics and try to focus on the issue at hand. When I reply to someone, I explain why her/his take is not right, I try not to label the person as pro or against whatever that is the subject. SGJ has just told you that the opposition would not lose anything if they packed up and left Ethiopia tomorrow. I guess that says all.
          4. I firmly believe what diaspora could do is a supportive role. Diaspora is assuming that role. The real change, not only regime change but the “CHANGE” will occur only when we put efforts in giving our people inside the country tools to “liberate” themselves or become part of the diaspora sparked move, however, they should be the once at the center.
          I will try to elaborate this line in an article, hopefully. I have your email. But I kinda like you as a person.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dearest Ghezae,

          “Restoring their faith is a monumental and crucial task” and it is a heck of a mountain to climb and make it realistic and achievable. If history tells us the sequential of the “betrayals” as you mentioned in your comment, the continuation we are witnessing is the betrayal to each other and hence the deep rooted mistrust stuck as a dagger in the chest of the Eritrean people. How are they denying this truth. Saleh absolutely know this reality… but..but escapegoating our ailment to Ethiopian government will not render a cure at all.

      • Fnote Selam

        Mahmud,

        This is so unlike you.

        Best,

        FS.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Haw Mahmud,

        Where did I say, it is a closed case? Is that how you blackmail your adversary? Actually, I expect from you for I know the political culture you grew up. But my point was let us deal with our “inherent mistrust” to unite our people, before we talk any issue pertinent to our neighbors and the nature of our relationship with our neighbors. Without doing that we can’t have a united voice and strategy. If you believe we haven’t inherent mistrust ( all kind, that includes religion, region, ethnicity, political, social nature) then show us the reality of our politics, then we shall see how realistic debater you are. Second can you say it what Ted has guessed correctly?

        • Ted

          Amanuel, ” the intervention of IGAD to expedite the fall of the regime. At least I didn’t mention Ethiopia” really Amanuel. IGAD is for Ethiopia as EPDRF is for TPLF there is no other way around your comment, you want somebody else to do your dirty job. What happened to TPLF’s help? With these migration issue, i suggest you go to EU except TPLF might not like it you going over their head. Your call.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,
            Ditto: to the answer I gave to Zaqunay Gheteb.

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          If you don’t mind my interjection here, I have a question for you.
          If I understood you correctly there is a mistrust among eritreans. Is this mistrust a new phenomenon or it has been there all the time?
          If it is old, how come the king or derg didn’t use it to their advantage? The way I see it now derg should not need to fire a single bullet to win against a divided eritreans,
          If this mistrust is a new thing, what created it?
          In Amharic we have a saying
          ” leba sikafel enji siseq ayiTalam ”
          Can I safely apply this to the current mistrust amongst the different parties?
          Thanks

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Kbur wo Hfoor Ghedim tegadalay naay Jebhat attaHri Al Eretria ato Amanuel Hidrat

          Well, as you said blame it to “the political culture” I grew up in, the “political spasm” and the “pretentious” I am; and the PFDJ “fifth columnist” I am..ወዘተረፈ… I understood it as it is. I quoted you correctly: “it is our inherent mistrust with each other that hold us from moving forward”. The rest was my analysis based on my pretentious, pfdjite and fifth columnist nature…But the open minded and truth seeking person that I am, I will accept your latest explanation.
          I hope some of the labels above ring in your mind. I will heed Fnote Selam chastisement and stay away from going personal. If ever it happens, it’s not me. It’s the political culture I grew up in.
          Senaay meAlti.

  • Saleh Johar

    Kaddis,

    From your perspective it might be so, from mine, where you are based is make or break–considering the political maneuvers involved. At the end, in an alliance, all parties are evaluated if you want to have a picture of the entire alliance. That is why Ethiopia is implicated.

  • Saleh Johar

    Ahlan Ismael,
    As you know, there are satellites, satellites-wannabe, and preferred satellites. At any rate, the inefficiency and incompetence of the Eritrean opposition that is supposed to lead is a shame to every Eritrean. I think it is time fora serious re-evaluation of positions and strategies. What was there up to this point is merry-go-around. Thanks again.

    • Hailemariam Tesfai

      Dear haw Salih-selam;

      In my opinion proximity matters, and it is to our advantage to stay close to our homeland. But if EDA and other participants who got us into this partnership conclude that it’s time to get out, let’s hear from them. I am for the proximity, but if EDA or other strategic political thinkers can convince me for distal site preference, I will support moving out
      EDA/ENCDC headquarters out of Addis Ababa or Ethiopia. In the discussion that’s
      going on in your forum, I don’t know who is debating you behind the screen besides Amanuel Hidrat and Gezae Hagos who are Awate contributors. One can tell me he is Ibrahim and post me a logo of a “mosque” while he is Abraham from Asmara who is a close friend of Zemhret. On the other hand one can post a logo of a “monastery” to fool me, while he is from a mosque in Cairo or London; how would I know? But, if you are serious about this issue, let me suggest that we stop this debate of the unknowns, and debate live in a town hall meeting.

      Terms and Conditions:

      1. Let’s auction the idea to the hizbawi shimagletat or Baito committees in the United States or Canada, and let cities compete to host the debate on this issue-live, and recorded for history.

      2. We can discuss and agree on the panelists; of course me and you cannot moderate this debate, but can find reasonable, fair minded and knowledgeable Eritreans who can administer a platform with professional conduct. The debate can be conducted in Tigrigna, Arabic and English with alternating platforms and different locations.

      3. The winner city to host this debate launches a campaign to raise funds from donors, and charges the audience substantially to finance future plans

      4. Depending on the outcome of the debate and terms to follow, the money raised from this event can be used either to finance the 2nd National congress of ENCDC and open an office in the border towns of Ethiopia, or use it to fly out the organizations that prefer to fight from remote countries elsewhere. You can respond to this once, and then continue to discuss the issue over the phone, followed by a planned town hall meeting.

      Best Regard;

      Your friend Hailemariam Tesfai

      San Diego California

      • Saleh Johar

        Ahlan Selam Hailemariam,

        Thanks for the offer, the initiative, on face value, is noble. Before I go into that, let’s clear a few things.

        1. I also believe proximity matter, but not for its own sake if it doesn’t produce result.
        2. I am sure you have access with your colleagues at the EDA/ENDC please discuss it with them.
        3. I don’t understand the intention of the “behind the screen” debaters, but I have people I talk to outside this Forum just like you have your private circles. I just do not see its relevance here
        4. I do not know who Abraham and Ibrahim are, but believe me, I am not interested on who they are.
        5. I have been serious about this for years–please don’t question that. Unfortunately, you think lowly of this forum yet you happen to follow it and propose a debate based on it. Think about that Hailemariam. Does it mean I am not “serious” if I reject your offer? 🙂
        6. Before we go into the details of town hall or other venues for the debate proposal you offered, I do not understand what will we be debating! You forgot to articulate that for me to decide.

        If you want to debate my article though, this forum is the best venue as far as I am concerned. And I would enjoy to debate you here–if there are specifics you want to debate about. Honestly, what you want to debate is not clear. Please elaborate the theme and the main points for your proposed debate.

        Thank you Hailemariam, and I appreciate your initiative very much, but I can’t give you and answer until you clear the few points for me.

        Take care

        • Hailemariam Tesfai

          Selam haw Salih,
          again.

          Selam again haw Salih,

          I will take back the statement that conveyed the message of doubt about your seriousness. I know you are serious, but your position differs from mine. Besides, I never thought lowly of any forum in the opposition websites provided that they have a genuine mission set against the authoritarian system in Eritrea. I believe “Awated.com” is one of most credible Eritrean opposition websites. My offer for the public debate was to broaden the spectrum of participation by ordinary Eritreans, and reach more audience by spreading it through other media of information including publishing it in DVD’S. As you know, I belong to an Eritrean opposition political organization which is a member of the Eritrean
          National Council for Democratic change (ENCDC). ENCDC in its 1st national congress decided to headquarter its head office in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. The organization can raise the headquarter issue in the 2nd national congress due in 6-8 months. You mentioned about a group destined to approach the issue with Ethiopian authorities, and possibly with ENCDC leadership. I am willing to hear their arguments that they will present to convince us of the alternatives.

          As in the home sales of mortgage industry, the determining factor for property value is location,
          location, location. As for the struggle for democratic change of our people, it is Eritrea, Eritrea, and Eritrea. Unfortunately we have been denied of our human and political rights to access that location. The next best locations are Ethiopia, the Sudan, and Djibouti or because Eritrea shares maritime borders with Yemen and Saudi, it would be the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the chaotic present Yemen. ENCDC has weighed all its options, and arising from a security and strategic point of determination, it decided to stay in close proximity to its
          people, and headquartered its office in Ethiopia.

          As a member of the organization-ENCDC, I fully agree with ENCDC’s position on the location of the headquarters. I believe that we have to build a more credible ENCDC that would earn the respect of our people, and our neighbors before we can point fingers and criticize donor nations. We need to upgrade ENCDC to be representative of our people’s political aspirations of building a nation with democratic values, and institutions. ENCDC has to demonstrate the capacity to lead and be able to administer the needs and demands of the people it claims to represent. Thence, we can discuss
          where we can operate from. If the government of Ethiopia becomes intolerant of a strong ENCDC to actively administer its tasks, and starts to antagonize the
          day to day operations of its mission, then our people will tell us where to go, and it may not be a more remote location than a neighboring country, but it will be inside the homeland! I conclude my debate here, and I thank you for your take.

          Hailemariam Tesfai

  • Hope

    Here is the RERAL,REAL TRICK:

    “The trick is: your acts and policies towards Eritrea and Eritreans should be descernible from the acts and policies the country hosting you pursue towards Eritrea”!
    Courtesy of Vet Mahmoud Saleh.

    And my take on this well analysed Article,if I may be allowed to say something:

    -That PMMZ already disclosed it that Wegahta Radio belongs to the Ethiopian Gov

    -“Ethiopia has the right to have its own radio station beaming to Eritrea, and it runs Wegahta just like France runs ERENA, just like the Germany runs Deutsche Welle, just like the USA runs Voice of America, just like Australia runs SBC”!
    -If that is the case,then Eritrea has the right to do so/like wise,…but then this kind of rhetoric and tit-for-tit approach will keep the status quo…

    -If what Abel said above is true: Quote:”Unfortunately it poorly reads the new foreign policy of Ethiopia and IGAD which forbids direct interference in other countries internal matters”,end of quote.Then that will be the Golden Guiding Principle towards Peaceful Co-existence of the Horn Nations.
    Unfortunately,the “Goblel” of the Region is the Prosecutor and the Judge(the Lawmaker and at the same time the Law-Breaker) of the Horn and that will not apply to the same Goblel due to her/its mentality of being the Super Power,..as it is the same Nation that has been messing around all along…interferring inthe internal Affairs of other Nations besides invading and causing havoc all over the Horn.
    Abel,the Spokesperson of Ethiopia,did you hear me?
    But you forgot a “Clause” that should say:”By Respecting the International Norms and Laws,..By Respecting the Sovereignty of all Nations….irrespective of their size”!
    -Based on the above Premise,the solutions to our Horn problems are simple though NOT easy,if we have to apply that Golden Principle.
    As to the so called Opposition,based on history,it will never succeed unless it changes its Policy and Strategy.
    In the event,if the purpose of the old new document the Article is mentioning is to beg the Ethiopian Gov to change its Policy or Strategy in favor of the Opposition Camp,it is too late and an old trick.
    I am afraid that the Opposition might be afarid of the signs of the times that there might be a new under-ground deal going on between Eritrea and Ethiopia…..and looking for some exit strategy and/or to be considered in the dialogue.
    -The ideal approach would have been a FREE and Independent United Front of the Civil Societies,the Youth and the Women’s Association,the Media and Human Rights Activists Association,Individual and Intellectual Personalities,the Eritrean Professional Associations,etc—under ONE Umbrella with a Strong Leadership in collaboration with Organized Parties.
    The purpose being:
    -To Mobilize the Eri Public at home and abroad through Media/Radio,TV,Conferences…in a coordinated and harmonized way for ONE Goal–to bring a Real and expedited change/Constitutional Governance.
    -To Challenge the Regime in all aspects in an Organized,Coordinated,United,Harmonized and Civilized way where ever and whenever
    That is a ” Peaceful and Political Civil Disobedience” in an Organiozed,Civilized,and United way…
    ,rather than in a polarized,egoistic,and dis-united /fragmented way.

    • Abel

      Dear Hope,
      I have to admit,you have come a long way since ur time at Madote, you actual are now convinced with the urgent need for regime change in Eritrea? that’s quiet an improvement.
      Fyi,the answer for the questions you raised is clearly written in my previous comment.Please read fully and carefully.

  • Many thanks for the great article.
    Among the different factors that may have played a role in the failure of the Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia to deliver, the one I think most important is the absence of trust between the two parties. In addition, what the Ethiopian government is ready to give depends on its national interest and how genuine and serious it thinks the opposition is. In
    my opinion, there is a big problem with the Janus-faced members of the
    opposition, those who manifest two opposing faces simultaneously, that of the opposition and that of the regime, overtly or covertly. How to handle such opposing phenomena is difficult for the Ethiopian government and for anybody else for that matter. This contradiction in their behavior does not allow mutual trust and cooperation between the two parties. Therefore, unless the opposition comes to terms with Ethiopia, it still sees as its nemesis, and shows that it is committed full heartedly for a different Eritrea to that of DIA’s, change supported by Ethiopia will continue to be elusive.

  • Abel

    Dear Saleh,

    Your analysis more or less reflects the mindset and misguided expectations of every Eritrean opposition. Unfortunately it poorly reads the new foreign policy of Ethiopia and IGAD which forbids direct interference in other countries internal matters.You can freely organize inside Ethiopia but you would not be allowed to operate military base or use Ethiopia as springboard for hit and run military adventure.That has been one of the major disestablishing factor and the cause of mistrust among neighbors for so long.To my understanding,no one forced the so called Eritrean opposition to come to Ethiopia and no one is holding them hostage either,they choose Ethiopia.
    If there is clear cut vision, commitment and determination to topple Issayas they should operate from inside Eritrea? isn’t that what ELF, EPLF,TPLF… did?you can not topple a system with a remote control.Besides if they have a better vision and alternative program why would they feel insecure and threatened by their populous?
    If any one is foolishly expecting Ethiopia to do the dirty job for you? I guarantee, you will be waiting for ever.Ethiopia will only resort to military action only and only if its national interest is directly threatened.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Ustaz,
    These a nice read and forward looker. I hope the document or the non-confidential part of can be made available for Awatistas to reflect up on.
    hayat

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Thank you Ustaz Saleh,
    Something the great Saleh could say and get away with it; and with all due respect, the only man standing whose words could be considered by the other side (Emamachen camp) for consumption; otherwise, this same thought has been made in our forum, digested, regurgitated and recycled hundreds of times. The debate anchors on “how to proceed”. This is very important, because we are in this very low and pathetic situation for reasons related to the “how” part of the equation. The need for change has been apparent for decades, and every decade seems to gather the urgency of that illusive change. By the way, the forces and voices accused of bailing out PFDJ are not there. It’s a matter of perception which could be blamed to our long run political divide along historical liberation organizations. I have liberated myself, and accepted all veterans and veteran organizations as having equally invested in Eritrea. We are all stakeholders; we need no Visa or “pass” sign from PFDJ. At the same time, we need no “litmus” test on who is more genuine “justice seeker”from those who have reserved “justice seekers” label for themselves . We have been there and we will be there. Therefore, the danger looming over Eritreans is the strong belief by some that they care more for Eritrea than others. Those on the PFDJ camp are cohesive and disciplined thanks to their dictatorial nature. However, the “opposition” camp is chaotic and undisciplined. It continues rejecting its own organs and parts and see it undergoing organized disintegration, expanding and at a rate faster than the expanding universe. The reason I think are the following:
    1. The opposition had long existed before the current “justice” element was added to it, as a direct result of EPLF/ELF conflict. It lacked a democratic gem then as it lacks it now. Their leaders are as ruthless as PFDJ leaders are; they are as corrupted and as callous as PFDJ leaders are. They squandered “opposition” resources as much as PFDJ is squandering Eritrean resources. They pitted themselves against each other on repositioning themselves for post PFDJ Eritrea rather than pursuing selfless public service paths putting the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans in the forefront. They spent more time and energy in self-mutilating than infighting PFDJ; they did more in weakening Eritreans appetite for change than in energizing them and equipping them with tools and guidance in the fight to challenge PFDJ. The disorganized and unooficial opposition inside the country, and few determined independent individuals and institutes of the diaspora have kept the zeal to fight PFDJ. These elements have done considerably painful dents on PFDJ more than the traditional organized opposition.
    Unless there is a genuine reform in that front (traditional organized opposition), Eritreans should not invest too much on them. Today, Eritreans are looking inward, and that’s an encouraging trend. New faces and new ideas must replace the faces and the ideas that have become logjams of the struggle.
    2. Due to this nature, Ethiopian-based “opposition” camp has long been seen as irrelevant. Eritreans know and look up to individual activists and media outlets than to these “leaders” commanding hollow organizations with fancy names. Their chance of ever toppling the balance against PFDJ by rallying their people is nil unless they look into their modus operandi and reform themselves.
    The trick is: your acts and policies towards Eritrea and Eritreans should be descernible from the acts and policies the country hosting you pursue towards Eritrea.
    3. Reading this bitter fact correctly, some volunteer cadres of these groups keep floating the idea of hopelessness; “unless done by Emamachen, there is no hope!” This idea has been in the market for more than 15 years with no prospective customer. They blame Ethiopia: it has not done enough. What is enough for this group is the rolling of Emama northward. They think Emamachen is fool. It won’t commit the same mistake HS and Durg committed. Emamachen policy has been weakening Eritrean assertiveness/nationalism
    using its own body; it has been in the look for ways of deprogramming Eritrean psyche, corrupting some of its DNA so that it could devour Eritrean body. The Eritrean body has been tenacious so far; it has identified the Trojan cells. What follows is weeding those trojan cells out.
    4. The Ethiopian Factor: Honestly, it’s not easy to be Ethiopian at this time. I mean, the country has invested, babied, fed, hosted, trained, equipped, I mean what else is it supposed to do? Why do we blame it anyway? Isn’t that what all nations do, creating a favorable political party in countries they do business with? I will not burden Ethiopia for the weakness of our “opposition.”
    Ethiopians will keep doing what’s in the interest of their nation. If things were in thewir natural state, the interest of Eritrea could not be seperated from the interest of its immediate neighbors and particularly Ethiopia. But things are not in their natural state. Both countries will keep suspicious of each other untill that time that brave and pragmatic leaders emerge and steer them towards safe cooperative climate by striking out matters that have kept them at loggerhead for decades. In the abscence of that leadership, for now, containing PFDJ is the best option for them. In this regard everything they do is aimed at containing PFDJ and not removing it. Frankly, there is no benefit for Ethiopia from unstable Eritrea. And those “opposition” groups in its court are not up to stabilizing Eritrea. They can’t stabilize a country, anyway, before they show us they could stabilize themselves.
    5. So, why does the criticism of the opposition by some (that includes me) becomes akin to wanting to save the skin of PFDJ, but Ustaz SaleH’s criticism could mean reforming it? Refer to the introductory para and #1
    I hope your next move focuses on the call of unity. The opposition has long been hijacked by few opportunists; Eritreans have hard time separating them from the Ethiopian regime. Their cadres have become an extension of Ethiopian Ministry Of Foreign Affairs. At least, judged from their mouthpiece cadres, they appear to have given up on their people. Eritreans are today hammered by two groups: one that parades PFDJ repressive and hegemonic policies, and the other which promote TPLF ethnic politics.There should be a middle way; the organic way. As long as Eritreans blame others for their predicaments, and as long as they seek a readymade solution through shortcuts and jockeying for Ethiopian attention, PFDJ will keep menacing the country.
    ** The above has been my opinion. It’s inspired but not entirely based on Ustaz SaleH’s piece.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Mahmuday,
      This is to tell you that I wish you commented on what came in the article. Your comment is a delicious SeleTa, I am not disappointed 🙂

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Ustaz
        I will do that Ustaz, I did this because I felt given the permission to pour out what I have been saying in disjointed comments. Until then ( a matter of time available to me) treat the above as a prelude; a very encouraging move of you, not that you have not complained of similar problem in the past, but I feel that this time you treated it thoroughly and isolated the variables better. Just an opinion.

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Haw Mahmud,

      Ok, let us talk about the middle way briefly. Let us demystify ‘Ethiopia’ for once. At the very least accept Ethiopia, a mere base where Eri-opposition can form chapters, AS they can do the same elsewhere. Let us accept the fact that there are hundreds of THOUSANDS Eritreans living in countries that are NOT Ethiopia. Why is that it has become extremely hard to mobilize this significant Diaspora populace, that has got nothing to do with Ethiopia or opposition in Ethiopia?

      If you would allow me to address you pointedly here sir, you live in US, possibly metropolitan city where a lot of Eritreans reside. Did you ever try to mobilize like-minded Eritreans and see for yourself that our main predicament has got nothing to do with Ethiopia? I believe you would know the answer to this even from mere observation. Incidentally, Saleh’s query: “It is difficult to discern who is opposing the presence of the opposition in Ethiopia due to genuine concern, believing their presence harms Eritrea, and who is just peddling the PFDJ regime’s position. Who is genuine, and who wants to destroy the opposition to maintain the statuesque?” can only be tested in practice. Between those who genuinely try to mobilize their fellow Eritreans to be part of the struggle against the tyranny of IA’ and genuinely concerned about Ethiopia’s role and those who are in this forum solely for the futile attempt to discredit the opposition in Ethiopia and hence keep the statuesque at all costs. The moment you do that dear Mahmud, you would lose some of your cousins here left and right:)
      Introductory words ‘yes, we want change too; yes IA is a tyrant..but..) stale words and childish pronouncements of facts long known to every breathing person in the world are merely used as admission tickets to appear genuinely concerned about Eritrean state of opposition; while their objective is to keep Isaias in power. This is 2015; who wouldn’t know Eritreans want change?
      At the end of the day, Eritrean opposition has many problems. Ethiopia’s unclear policy can not be ignored and Saleh has said it well in terms of the structural problems. Very good. Kudos with the initiative to engage Ethiopian leaders too.
      For me the truth is extremely simple; every ERITREAN individually and in grouping has responsibility to save his nation and his people, if genuinely concerned about it. It is as simple as that. To do that, like every noble objective of rare historical significance it takes huge COMMITMENT and SACRIFICE. The solution to Eritrean problem is sacrifice. Are we up to it? Relegating these impossibly difficult task of dislodging tyranny to few groups of Eri-opposition in Ethiopia and continuous attacks and complaints against them is no less than absconding that historic responsibility. After all, who are these people in opposition compared to the hundreds of thousands in Diaspora?
      For us who support working in Ethiopia and support it STRONGLY, the issue was and is and will be simply about saving our people. If anyone else can do, we would be the happiest people because our objective has been met successfully.
      I urge those brethren who don’t support having a base in Ethiopia to PROVE us that we can mobilize our diaspora for effective action. I dare add it is your practices that would differ you from those who are in this as part of the PFDJ agenda to discredit the opposition. More pointedly, since your complaints against Ethiopian-based groups is severe and you consider them ‘irrelevant’, time to step in and show your own relevance, before it is too late for ALL OF US….
      All the best,
      Ghezae

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dearest Ghezae,

        Le me Quote you my dear:
        “I urge those brethren who don’t support having a base in Ethiopia to PROVE us that we can mobilize our diaspora for effective action. I dare add it is your practices that would differ you from those who are in this as part of the PFDJ agenda to discredit the opposition.” Time again, this was the challenge now and then rendered to them, and they are not up to the challenge. Most of the commentators in this forum are not even in any organized movement, but have the audacity to criticize to those who are organized and trying their best.

        Mahmud’s challenge is to form a “relevant organization” that rally the Eritrean people in the diaspora to remove the regime. If he hasn’t an organize relevant movement as oppose to the irrelevant opposition in Ethiopia (his accusation), he can only be a “political spasm” or “pretentious adversary” against the regime. We told him there are equal numbers of organized opposition outside Ethiopia, and they aren’t better either. I wish they are better in organizing the Eritrean people to fight the regime. Their malaise is the same as those who are in Ethiopia. They lack accommodative leadership who could overcome the mistrust barrier.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Haw
        Let’s get to the gist of thematter. I’m sorry you found my take childish, but our people say ጭሩ ብዓቕማ ትሕጎም- A bird acts its size. I hope you don’t ask me to show you more than my size. You left on me a similar impression the last time you replied to me. So no need to replying directly to your comment. In addition, I know you as a civic activist and I have mostly positive impression on their activities, although the malaise inflicting traditional organized political organizations also inflict them- disunity and self-inflicted disfigurement as a result of internal rows. The reason: they owe their existence not on foreign donors, not on Eritrean base. Most of their squabbles arise from their self-serving rivalry to impress their funders. Nonetheless, they have been heard by Eritreans; and I believe they have registered remarkable achievements in amplifying PFDJ repressive nature. As far as I remember, all those activists recognized by Eritreans live outside of Ethiopia. To be frank, it’s these
        activists who have been given more airtime and press than the political leaders
        in Eritrea; it’s these activists who are known and studied by Eritreans who
        struggle for justice. So, your notion that other Eritreans residing in other
        countries have not done is inaccurate. But you raised an interesting question:” Why is that it has become extremely hard to mobilize this significant Diaspora populace, that has got nothing to do with Ethiopia or opposition in Ethiopia?”
        Well, first I don’t accept this because the rallies, seminars, petitions, demonstartions…we witness are done by Eritreans residing in the west. Starting from my localities, they are inspired and organized by local names and /heroines/heroes. Occasionally, respected civic activists may be called to conduct seminars, but it is generally local based. We all want good fortune to happen to our people in Eritrea, but due to proximity related problem we won’t be able to fill the role of
        domestic/organic force. My criticism is directed to the political leaders who
        are speaking on my behalf. Unless you are one of them (and if you are, please
        tell us which organization you lead) you should take my comment as a genuine
        desire to see reformation in the opposition camp. I started this forum with
        that and I will continue saying that: we need to be critical of our methods; if
        they are working we should see more effective results; more of coalescing of
        efforts and resources not rejectionist attitudes and war-lording tendencies. If
        they are not working we need to be courageous and criticize them. The era of “trust
        us” ዘመነ-እመኑና should end with PFDJ.

        Now, since you are critical of my views, borther Gezae, let me say what the Great
        SGJ say in relation to this. His critique of those who pretend to be opposition
        is well taken, and my response was “It’s all about perception.” But again let’s
        say what he had to say; and I have to remind you in advance that you said KUDOS
        to him. Let’s see if he said different from what I tried to make.

        On
        Ethiopian Role

        – “So far, the Ethiopian government has not been a dependable ally as far as the Eritrean opposition is concerned.”

        – “The Ethiopian government is too obsessed with its narrow interest at the expense of mutual interests.”
        -“ By God, who is in charge of the Eritrean portfolio? No one knows, not even the major Eritrean groups in Ethiopia. What are the most common strategies? No one knows except (maybe) a very small circleof the satellites of the Ethiopian government who might have an idea if not the knowledge.”

        -“ The Eritrean opposition groups in Ethiopia deal with a three headed hydra…..1)
        the so-called Sana’a Forum that in reality is Ethiopia forum, 2) The
        intelligence agency that has wreaked havoc on the opposition, and 3) The Tigray
        government that deals with Eritreans as an extension of its militia forces.”

        – As to what Ethiopians might be after, “Do they want their country to be the incubator of feeble, undependable, ineffective organizations, some with members not more than a dozen? Sure enough, most of the hallow organizations that were formed by intelligence authorities ended up in chaos. There are many stories that saddens and shames any Eritrean. And the cycle is rotating, still some more.”

        – And the author asks the same question I asked, “why do Eritreans blame the Ethiopian government for their own weaknesses?” And continues, “…the inability of Eritreans to do it themselves doesn’t absolve the Ethiopians of the damage they have inflicted on the opposition.”

        -Regarding the fact that Eritreans should
        depend on themselves for solving their problems and why Eritreans are
        apprehensive of the heavy-handedness of Ethiopian intrusion into the king
        making of future leaders of Eritrea , SJ says, “… they also are apprehensive
        that the Ethiopian authorities have turned the Eritrean opposition into a
        retail business, chercharo! Any Eritrean individual or opposition group should seek legitimacy from Eritreans, not from some officer who thinks he is grooming people for his king making projects. That should be an entirely Eritrean affair.” What a beautiful
        description and leadership!

        – Now the big blow is here, which supports my assertion that Ethiopian-based oppositions have made themselves irrelevant. Again these are not my words; they words you paid kudos to.

        “And that is why a group of Eritrean citizens has taken an initiative; they are preparing a document to meet and discuss the vague relations with Ethiopian authorities provided they are willing. The initiators hope to have a clear understanding of the relations to make productive for both countries.”

        What the author is implying is that there is a leadership vacuum to be filled in; and concerned Eritreans will try to volunteer filling that up at least as far as the nature of Ethiopia and /Eritrean opposition is concerned. What else of an example of missing in action do you want more than this? After more than 15 years, there are many factions but non Eritreans could congregate around. There is no recognizable organization that derives its existence and legitimacy from Eritrean base. Period.

        Haw Gazae, the above is to help you understand my opinion using Ustaz SaleH words. It is a cynical world Gezae where some feel more sacrificing than others. It’s fine you know where I live, but you did not mention that you live in Canada too. Let’s not make inventory of sacrifices we made or are making. I’m struggling in my own way. Let’s understand a serious talk of reforming the opposition is past due. The other day Dr, Sarah Ogbay asked in this forum if someone could list the leaders of
        the opposition factions. Imagine if Dr. Sarrah is having trouble what do you
        think of the AVERAGE Eritrean? Why are not visible? That’s because they spent
        more time jockeying along the power corridors of MeQelle than meeting with
        their own people.

        Sorry for cramming it up, I don’t have time,
        that’s why I put SaleH’s writing in paragraphs (and honestly, you can’t throw a
        phrase from them), but I appologise for not making it concise.

        BruK Meshet
        HawKa

        • ghezaehagos

          Haw Mahmud,
          Thanks for your reply.
          1. We all read Saleh and you know I can cull and pile possibly more quotes to buttress my points; hence let us say both of us are using his article as springboard for ‘inspiration’.
          2. Reading you twice, and more in some instances, I am convinced that you didn’t understand the MAIN point I was driving home. It is again simple. Very simple. French leader of the first world war Clemenceau wass credited with the saying, “war is too important to be left to generals.” This historic mantle we MUST carry ( getting rid of the tyranny of Isaias Afewerki) is too important to be left to the opposition whether in Ethiopia or not. At this time of mass exodus, mass drowning and beheadings, we know the longer Eritrea’s ISIS (courtesy of Daniel G. Micheal) remains in the corridors of power, the worse it is for Eritrean nation. So, what Eritreans want is a respite from their agony. Now that you and other Eritreans like you seem to be convinced that respite won’t come from Eri-based opposition, then ‘eneho mieda…enho…’ It requires sacrifice and HUGE commitment. I am not lecturing here, kubur haw, merely pointing out the very obvious road, the road more travelled, down history for freedom against tyranny. Take away the mantle of ‘genuine’ opposition beholden to the national interests of Eritrea as you know it from the opposition that maintains bases in Ethiopia. Because as things stand now, they still are THE MAINSTREAM OPPOSITION because their ‘ineffective’ ‘feeble’ ‘sacrifice’ better than mine and yours.
          3. Freedom of association is basic human right. Freedom of association for this noblest purpose, dislodging Isaias Afewerki from anything Eritrean could only be saintly. So, do you (I mean generic you, and me too) HAVE what it takes to SACRFICE TIME, MONEY, PATIENCE, TOLERANCE, MONEY and other valuable resources to undertake this hugely saintly, but extremely costly mantle. There lies the rub, brother.
          4. You have always struck me as a person whose knowledge of the Eritrean opposition camp is flawed or inadequate, I may be wrong here. I am saying this because you tend to speak about the Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia as if THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME, in generalities. Not all are the same in their programs, contents, membership. I bet you 100 % in the city you live and demos you mentioned are conducted or organized by groups who have direct or indirect affiliation with groups in Ethiopia. Are you going to boycott them because their presences/stay in Ethiopia? I am sure you wouldn’t. For most of them and us, Ethiopia in this sense is another country outside Eritrea…as is US and Canada.
          5. It bears repeating; words are cheap; all we say and scribble here; they are even cruel compared to what is happening to our people; death and drowning and incarceration and disappearances and wails….we need genuine actions by dedicated revolutionaries…..I hope we agree here. Now, If Eri opposition in Ethiopia may not be the ones; those who support them enthusiastically support anyone who wants to SACRIFICE WHATEVER ONE HAS against the tyranny of ISIS afewerki. Again the bell is tolling for ALL OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVLEY….If we lose our endeared nation ( God forbid), no tear will bring it back pointing fingers! The time to act is now…
          6. Finally If you or anyone you know wants to organize any meetings in Winnipeg to mobilize Eritreans, I would be happy to help. I live in Winnipeg, Canada. My name is Ghezae Hagos Berhe. I can be reached at ghezae_hagos@yahoo.com
          All the best,
          Ghezae

          • tes

            Dear Gezae,

            The more I read you, the more I see your loopy lines. And to my disappointment, you are in a position to help not to be part. How weak political argument you are trying to show us?

            You wrote, “…Finally If you or anyone you know wants to organize any meetings in Winnipeg to mobilize Eritreans, I would be happy to help.”

            Let me tell you this, every meetings in today’s Eritrean political landscape is hijacked by people who come by the name of “help”.

            Help is help and you know what it means. You help someone when he doesn’t have the skills or capabilities.

            I wish you will come-up with a new terminology that considers others at equal leverage, such as stakeholder, partner, shareholder, etc.

            Regarding, Ethiopia’s role, I will post my views for all readers.

            tes

  • Amde

    Ah Ato Saleh

    Excellent piece.
    Thank you.

    Amde