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Eritrean Ambassador: The USA and Gulf States Want to “Make Egypt Thirsty”

On Thursday, September 7, 2017, Al Masri Al Youm published an interview it conducted with the Eritrean ruling party ambassador in Cairo. Here we present the English version of the Arabic original, which was translated by the Awatestaff.

The Ambassador says, “some Gulf States” but given the context of the present crisis in the Arab Gulf, it is no secret he is accusing Qatar, in collaboration with the USA, is trying to make Egypt go thirsty by choking the flow of the Nile River to Egypt. Qatar used to be the main supporter of the Eritrean regime until the current Arab Gulf crisis when it betrayed Qatar.

In 2010, we have translated another interview Fasil gave to the same Al Masri Al Youm, where he made an outrageous statement telling his interviewer that, “the Egyptian security authorities who warn the Eritreans when they try to flee across their borders, something that pushes them to direct their fires to them if they do not heed to their warnings, with the aim of securing and protecting their borders.” Thus stating, that the Egyptian security forces have the right to shoot refugees crossing through the border.

That was his response to an incident where a few Eritrean refugees were shot by Egyptian security forces while crossing the Sinai desert into Israel which used to be a major escape route for Eritrean refugees. Hundreds of them fell in the hands of human traffickers—some were released after paying huge amounts of ransom while others had their human organs harvested by the criminals who roamed the Sinai desert. Many refugees managed to cross to Israel and many others have died in the desert.

The following is the recent interview, which was conducted by Samer Ibrahim for AlMasri Al Youm.
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THE INTERVIEW

The Eritrean Ambassador to Cairo, Fasil Gebreselassie Tekhla, said that the relations between Egypt and Eritrea is strategic and historical and has been in good shape since the era of the late President Gamal Abdel Nasser. he pointed out that the common factor between Abdel Nasser and Abdulfatah Al Sisi lies in their sincere orientation towards Africa. But there are differences in the political conditions and factors in the region between the era of the two presidents.

in his interview with «Al-Masry Al-Youm», he added that the construction of the “Ethiopian Renaissance Dam” has no positive purposes in the interest of the Ethiopian people and that the decision to build it is political and not an economic decision. Ethiopia has a “Phobia” of Eritrea’s relationship with any other country, not only with Egypt. In addition, the Ethiopian regime wants to distract the people from [focusing] on their economic and political problems, and the idea of an external enemy is spread to them. He noted that some Western and Gulf countries are behind Ethiopia’s attempt to “make Egypt Thirsty” through the “construction of the Renaissance Dam. The full interview follows:

■ How do you see the relations between Egypt and Eritrea?

The relations between the two countries are in good shape, since the time of the late President Gamal Abdel Nasser. They are deep strategic and historical relations. Egypt has helped Eritrea in the time of its armed struggle to gain independence, and it provided us with arms, financial, and political support. It also helped our students and established a home for them. And it opened its colleges and universities for them.

■ You talked about Egypt’s support to Eritrea during the era of President Abdel Nasser. What about the relations between the two countries under President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi?

The common factor between Nasser and Al-Sisi is that they have an honest approach towards Africa, but there are differences in the political conditions and factors in the region between the eras of the two presidents. During the era of Nasser, the revolutionary tide, liberation movements and pan-Arab nationalism prevailed in the African continent. But presently, the future lies in economic exchange projects between peoples. And I believe that economic relations are what guarantees of the survival of the relations between countries, unlike political relations that can be negatively affected at any moment.

Al Sisi is also sincere in implementing the economic projects and development plans that are agreed upon. And his {recent] visit to Africa is not “a media show”. During the reign of Al Sadat and Mubarak, Egypt did not undertake a single economic project in Eritrea.

■ How do you see the Renaissance Dam crisis?

Eritrea has officially declared that the construction of the Renaissance Dam has no positive purpose in the interest of the Ethiopian people. The decision to build it is a political decision and not economic. We are not against any development project in any African country, but the dam is not for a developmental purpose.

■ What is the real purpose behind this “political goal”?

Ethiopia is mainly dependent on economic aid. It is the main African country that receives the most economic assistance from the United States, the European Union, and the World Bank. It is a country that has a “famine” and asks for assistance from the United Nations to feed its people. There are some countries that help it to finance the construction of the dam.

■ Who are these countries?

Any country that wants to fight Egypt will not resort to a direct military solution. This method no longer exists on the ground, so the last card in that war is to “make Egypt Thirsty.”

■Do you mean that Ethiopia wants to “make Egypt Thirsty”?

Not only Ethiopia, but some Western and [Arab] Gulf countries stand behind Ethiopia and support the construction of the Renaissance Dam. Particularly since the area where the Renaissance dam is located is not suitable for agriculture.

Here I would like to go back in history.

In 1993, in its first official representation as an independent state, Eritrea attended in one of the African conferences in Cairo, where the then Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi was present. At the time, the relation between the two countries was excellent. And here Zenawi presented an idea: Just like the Arabs sell oil to us, we sell water to all countries. The Eritrean president strongly rejected the proposal, and here, the late General Omar Suleiman, the former head of the General Intelligence responded to him. He said to Zenawi: “And who are you to say that?”

■What is your position on the Entebbe Agreement?

Void, in accordance with previous international treaties relating to the Nile Basin countries.

■ Some political analysts said that Eritrea is the best party to exert pressure on Ethiopia because of the old war between them, and deepening relations between [Eritrea] and Egypt carries signals and messages that will quickly reach Ethiopia. What are your views?

Ethiopia has a “Phobia” of Eritrea’s relationship with any other country, not just Egypt. In addition, the Ethiopian regime wants to distract the people from [focusing] on their economic and political problems. The idea of an external enemy is spread to them. As an example, Ethiopia benefited a lot internally from the meeting that the former President Mohamed Morsi held with the national forces to discuss the crisis of the dam, to amplify the idea among the Ethiopian people. The more Eritrea works to strengthen its relationship with Egypt, Ethiopia accuses us that we will help Egypt to target the dam militarily through our territory. This is not a talk of nations, but “child play”.

In fact, Egypt does not want to target the dam militarily, at all. And it has no political gains in this matter. All African countries will not allow that, nor will we allow the use of our territories to achieve those goals. Despite the differences between Ethiopia and Eritrea, Egypt is free to establish strategic relations with any country of its choice, even with Ethiopia, because that is a political right of Egypt, and we have nothing to do with it.

■ What are your views regarding some media reports that were published in a number of foreign newspapers that Egypt has snatched Eritrea’s consent to establish a military naval base in its land?

Not everything that is published in newspapers is true. There is some news that is a mere “testing balloons”, and others are leaked on behalf of some Western intelligence services.

Our main disagreement with America is Eritrea’s refusal to establish a military base on its soil. If we had agreed to that request, we could have avoided many wars and international pressures on us. Our country does not make political concessions to any country, whatever type of relationship we have with them.

The Eritrean regime wants the Egyptian role to return again in Africa, not for our personal interests, but first for the interest of Egypt. If we look at the Suez Canal, we find that its security and the security of the global trade movement starts from the South [of the Red Sea]. A large part of the victory of the war of October 6 [1973 war over Sinai] is because of the important role played by the Egyptian naval forces in maintaining the security of the South [mouth of the Red Sea]. It is high time to highlight the role of Egypt and its emergence more than it is in the region.

■ What do you mean by “highlighting the Egyptian role” in the South?

American military battleships roam the world to convey a clear message that they are permanently present in the scene, and now Egypt owns modern and sophisticated military battleships, and I think its time has come.

■ What caused [Eritrea’s] differences with Ethiopia?

In the 1990s, the Eritrean people wanted independence. We submitted a request to the United Nations under the chairmanship of the late Dr. Boutros Ghali at the time, to hold a popular referendum on [Eritrea’s] independence and separation from Ethiopia. America refused to the holding of a referendum, [refused] the demand. But we held to our demand to the last moment and the United Nations and the United Nations agreed. The referendum was held and resulted in a 99.9% vote in favor of independence from Ethiopia.

In 1993, the state of Eritrea was officially declared a state and we started to strengthen our foreign relations with the rest of the world countries. And here America began to set its conditions for us to return the American military base to our country again, in addition to providing some facilities in the Red Sea waters. We totally rejected the demands because we do not give up our right to decide freely, and our the sovereignty of our territories. Moreover, Eritrea is the only country that officially condemned the US invasion of Somalia. The League of Arab States did not issue a statement condemning that invasion. Even Mubarak said, “We understand” and he didn’t condemn the invasion. This is the biggest proof that the political decision at the time was not in Egypt’s hands.

All these reasons prompted Ethiopia to create a conflict with our country and occupied a border area called “Badme” to give us a harsh lesson, and to achieve many Ethiopian and American gains in the region. Following these events, the summit of Algeria was held, and America is the one who drafted the border demarcation agreement between Ethiopia and {Eritrea] from A to Z. And the three most important points of the agreement  that the border dispute is the responsibility of the International Court of Justice, and that the decision of the Court is final and binding to the parties, and any country that refuses to implement the resolution will face a number of international sanctions on it. The purpose of those points was to cripple Eritrea, because America was expecting the judgment would be issued in favor of Ethiopia. But contrary to the American expectations, the court ruled that the occupied territories are Eritrean territories and Ethiopia must withdraw from them. The border was demarcated in its new form, but Ethiopia refused to withdraw and implement the court’s decision. And since that time, the crisis is still pending between us because the solution is in the hands of America, which is the only country capable of getting Ethiopia out of our country.
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Related Reading
Eritrean Refugees: Kidnapped, Tortured In Egyptian Sinai (Dec. 9, 2010)
President Isaias Embarrasses Qatar One More Time (Nov. 26, 2014)

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  • Mirab

    The GERD is near to completion and filling the reservoir will begin as of next year and then Egypt and its saloon dog Eritrea will keep quite !!!

  • Kalihari Snake

    Hello Slaves: Eritrean opposition groups are in indentured servitude (slaves) to the U.S. and the U.N. security council. Most commenters here actually live in the same countries which have been unfairly slamming Eritrea for their own personal/economic/military interests. Most here are simply slave-like; Too weak at the knees to criticize Ethiopia for its illegal occupation of Eritrea, having no guts to blast the U.S. and U.N. for its failure to slap sanctions on Ethiopia for failing to adhere to the EEBC boarder ruling, willing to remain silent when then know that there is no real basis for U.N. sanctions being slapped on Eritrea, willing to sleep with the TPLF in so long as it aids their attempt to remove PIA, etc. Why is there no open discussion on the harm that the U.S. and the U.N. security council has done to Eritrea and its people. Maybe because a lot of you are comfortably living in the U.S.? Yes….PIA is a dictator with terrible diplomatic skills and a dreadful human rights record, but does that really lend reason in itself to apply an unfair U.S. isolationist strategy and to apply unfair U.N. sanctions on Eritrea while Ethiopia gets away with murder? How many other bad dictators are there in Africa that are not the subject of U.S. isolationists strategies and U.N. sanctions?

  • Kalihari Snake

    Hello All: Ethiopia should be renamed as the United States of Tigray. I mean, that is really what it is these days.

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Berhe,
    I agree with you points. My comment in relation to Paulos’ question was broad and general; it was an attempt to symbolize the conditions existing in our society specifically the way interests have polarized rendering the search for common grounds intractable. Otherwise, I do have trust in the health of our society despite the sad predicaments.

  • Kalihari Snake

    Hello all:
    Herman J. Cohen @CohenOnAfrica
    As President of UN Security Council in September, #Ethiopia should propose long overdue lifting of sanctions against #Eritrea.
    6:26 PM – Aug 21, 2017

  • Selam All,

    Why ethiopia’s military intervention in eritrea is equivalent to playing with fire.

    I find it difficult to understand if ethiopia really owes the eritrean opposition so much that it should pay in human life and material, that some people dare to entertain the notion that ethiopia should intervene militarily to depose the regime in asmara and give power to the opposition. This demand comes from people who fought two ethiopian governments for 30 yrs, and are proud of their achievement. The question is, why can’t they do it now themselves, not two but only one regime, and not for 30 yrs, but much much less, may be for months.

    I remember the incursion into idi amin’s uganda by the tanzanian army to depose the dictator. There was the ugandan liberation army that was doing the main fighting, and the tanzanians were carrying out a supportive role. It was not the tanzanian army alone that deposed idi amin, but mainly the ugandan liberation front.

    Even if eritrea is given to the opposition on a platter, it cannot hold on eritrea without an organized and experienced military wing, which is the case at the present. It seems as if a call to the opposition at that very minute will create miraculously a fighting force that will overtake the political and military power and retain it. The pfdj will still be a better organized and formidable power even defeated, compared to the opposition that seems to have almost nothing on the practical side, and a come back after the ethiopians leave is too obvious to ignore.

    This means ethiopia will have a hot potato in her hand, and she will be stuck in a quagmire that will undermine everything ethiopia tries to achieve, and she will regret bitterly for her blunder. The worst scenario will be if ethiopia is forced to pack and leave, thus leaving behind a void and the right situation for chaos.

    Therefore, ethiopia should be left out of this equation by all means possible, and let us all agree that eritrean problems should be solved by eritreans themselves.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Horizon,

      I agree with your assessment. And a very good example is, Ethiopia recent experience in Somalia. And to draw analogy, it’s like the US and Nato allies being trying to do in Afghanistan install a government and keep it there (protect it) and they can not defeat the Taliban fully.

      I think Ethiopia can play a role (supportive role) such as providing finances, political, propaganda / media access, diplomatic with other African and international powers and protection to the leaders of the opposition..to help the Eritrean movement. Similar like what the Americans use to do in Easter Europe…

      Berhe

      • Thomas

        Hi Horizon,

        Don’t you think Ethiopia should do it not to help Eritrea but herself? Remember, there is Berhanu nega and other wayane haters in Eritrea. Issayas will never stop using them and that is everything he thinks he gets a chance. No one had predicted the 1998 war to happen, but it did.

        • Selam Thomas,

          Don’t give too much credit to g7 or olf stationed in asmara. They can be a nuisance, but they are not going to make a dent or derail ethiopia from moving forward, because ethiopians have tasted the fruits of economic development and they are going to protect it.
          G7 is the old and olf is being replaced by oromo unionists who are saying that they are stakeholders in ethiopia, because they have been inhabiting the land and are part of its history for more than 500yrs.

          • Nitricc

            Horizon, that what your Mengistu said about EPLF and TPLF. you guys never learn for your on freaking history, do you?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Horizon,,

      Yes it seems what you are saying is correct ..Now, it time for Eritrean opposition to see from all sides ..If not they will all be dismissed..Today Ethiopia is great and they are planing ..to lift the sanction that was imposed on Eritrean government..

      Now Ethiopian government had won to be representative of world security..

      KS..

      • Peace!

        Hala KS,

        What do you mean from all sides? Are you not horrified by what the TPLF trained Somali Janjaweed doing to helpless Oromo people?

        Peace!

        • Kokhob Selam

          Hi Peace!,

          No !!
          when I say all sides,all sides,all sides…

          KS,,

    • blink

      Dear horizon
      where have you been all these days , it was Abi ( i do not like that guy) who vehmnetly opposed for sending ethiopian young men to slaughter house and now here you are repeating your view again . Lets hope the Eritrean people in canada and all western cities accept the reality. Why would even a single Ethiopian die for revenge aimed people to sit in power in Asmara? I can tell you most people who call for Ethiopian boots in Eritrea are revenge looking people and they are not fitt even to lead 12 people. We lost their names ,, they could not even sit in one table and see charles chapilin video . But we need Ethiopia to force all these justice camp to sit at one table and agree to work for a better way of communicating among each other ,finance to a principled people not to ethnic lunatics .

      Look we have people like Tesfatsion and Ali salim too. No Ethiopian person should be even have a scratch on his body for some thiefs ,rotten , revenge seeking people .Ethiopia could benefit in a long run if they help the Justice camp work for a better way .

    • iSem

      Hi Horizon;
      There is no appetite from the Ethiopian side to depose IA and rightly so, even in the last war when IA and Co were literally preparing/planning to go to Sahel and defeat Ethiopia, MZ and co decided not to proceed, in hindsight it was bad decision because many oft he issues that Ethiopia faces now are PFDJ created and at that time Ethiopians were united against the incursion of Eritrea. But now, at least on these current debate that BB initiated no one including your truly is calling for Ethiopia to invade PFDJ. Speaking for myself, I am talking about this aversion of the help, let say if Ethiopia was on a position to do so, let assume the opp w cleans its act and get organized and IA tries to attack Ethiopia and Ethiopia had enough and calculated that it has the wherewithal to do so, do we as Eritreans condemn or condone it, I say in that hypothetical scenario we should not shy away from it and I suspect that Eritreans at home will not lift a finger to defend PFDJ, even if the opp hitchhikes on Woyane tanks, that is the debate of this thread.

      Given Ethiopia’s current mess, it may even be dangerous for Ethiopia to go to war even if IA provokes it, but those Eritreans who are opposed to any help, the delusional notion that Eritrean problem with Eritrea might is outright silly, what do u think the friends during the armed struggle were doing, they were not inviting Eritreans to dinner, they were helping with money, guns, to undermine Dergi that is what we are talking about.

      All so thhe debate is about the misguided notion that Ethiopia must leave our land before we ask IA to give power, Ethiopia’s occupation has zero impact in what IA is doing to our people and this silly assertion it will remove one tool from IA is a fantasy, the negligible land that Ethiopia occupies is irrelevant, that is the debate
      Ethiopia is working for its own interest as it should do, and it has weakened the regime by isolating it and the status quo is unsustainable The structural change that will unfold inside PFDJ soon will demand for change, there will be change of guard soon when IA dies or is incapacitated, who takes the reigns of the ruins of Eritrea is hitherto unknown, either way Eritreans have their work cut for them and as time matures and the transition will never be smooth, it is a matter of degrees: whether we will have Somalia or not is the question not whether peace will reign or not soon after.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Horizon: the wet dreams of the fools like Semere’s aside, there is a talk that “Ethiopia had to back Eritrea sanctions lifting as head of UNSC”

    • Peace!

      Hi Horizon,

      We didn’t and won’t ask TPLF for military help; accepting STABLE and DEMOCRACTIC Eritrea is good enough for us to do our job by ourselves. And this can be done very easy:

      1. Stop creating divisions among opposition groups
      2. Stop luring opposition leaders into your agenda with economic enticements
      3. Understand and respect our decisions

      Peace!

      • Paulos

        Selamat Peace,

        Would your stand be the same if the country in question was say Kenya instead of Ethiopia. I expect an honest answer.

        • Peace!

          Hi Paulosay,

          You expect an honest answer for hypothetical question:) Well, needless to say, it depends on how the opposition groups and leaders would react. I don’t think it is about picking a country rather it is about finding a good atmosphere to work independently. Trust me, if a united opposition group declare Ethiopia as a reliable partner tomorrow, I see no reason not to support it.

          Sincerely
          Peace!

          • Paulos

            Peace ዓቢ ሰብ,

            I appreciate your honest answer. Thank you.

  • Saba

    Hi All,
    No one is proposing land first. It is amazing that even some astute personalities fell for it. May be it is due to political fatigue.
    From what I read, there are two groups in the opposition:
    People in the first group are demanding the return of occupied territories and want to set up a democratic system in Eritrea without the interference from weyane.

    People in the second group will not be demanding the return of occupied territories and want to set up a democratic system in Eritrea with the mentorship of weyane.
    Here are the reason why we should not beg help from Weyane:
    1)they declared full scale war against Eritrea
    2)they kicked out Eritreans from Ethiopia
    3) they looted and killed Eritrean civilians during the 2000 war
    4) they are still occupying Eritrean territories
    These are “points of no return”. And I do not see the benefit being a puppet to weyane. If you try to get help from weyane, that will not rally the majority of Eritreans due to the above 4 reasons. On the other hand, free from weyane, we can win by rallying the people and that is the only viable solution(there is EVIDENCE for it, just look the support of the people during the 30 years of struggle for independence.)

    • Thomas

      Hi Saba,

      How about if the strategy(ies) you pointed out above have been tried in the last 17 years and they did not seem to work? Let me give you a simple idea, the pfdj regime are Eritreans where us the 30 years struggle was to defeat the Ethiopian occupiers. So, there is no relationship whatsoever. Moreover, the tigreans/weyane(ethiopians) together with EPLF/the Eritreans defeated the derg regime (another Ethiopia). “There are no eternal friends or eternal enemies, only eternal interests” – Winston Churchill.

      • Saba

        Dear Thomas,
        I. For the last 17 years the opposition has tried to get help from weyane and it didn’t work. Why do you want to repeat it again? With weyane we reached the point of no return due to the 4 points I have mentioned.

        II. We haven’t tried yet to build the opposition independent of weyane. At least let’s try it.
        III. initially Haileselasie was not perceived as occupier by the majority of people in the highland Eritrea. Did you see how he was received in the villages in his way to Asmara? ELF/EPLF changed that image of
        Haileselassie and Dergh and it became clearer that Ethiopia was an occupier. Now the opposition without weyane can convince Eritreans that IA is destroying everything and it is time for change
        IV. the Eritrean population was the prime mover for ELF/EPLF and TPLF. The rest were useful accessories.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Saba, you are asking Thomas way hard questions. He will never think Eritrea with out the weyane. I don’t know what buy he is all in with the weyane-thugs. He wishes he was Ethiopian and he extended every respect to the weyanes, he has nothing left for himself. So, the point is, after bitter up and downs Eritrea has prevailed while the TPLF thugs are one blow away from packing it. There is a reason why the toothless wayane announced that Eritrea is no longer threat to Ethiopia. If you can’t beat them join them is the order of the day. If you ask me, it is over and I pronounce all oppositions are void and dead. Game is over and everything falls where it begun, at the hands of PIA.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            An old Tigrinya saying goes, “Worry if your enemy is being nice to you.”

          • Nitricc

            Hey P; hahahah, as in English goes, ” if you can’t beat them join them” comes to mind. I believe that is the case.

      • Selamat Thomas,

        What an Ideology? “No eternal friends but eternal interests?” I was wondering if you can put in context by defining and listing a few eternal interests.

        tSAtSE

    • Desbele

      Hi Saba,
      Correction #1. DIA(Dictator Isayas Afewerki) ignited the war with Ethiopia. It is a decision by the Hague. It is not new. He has done it with Yemen, Sudan, and Djibouti
      Suggestions. #2 . Weyane kicked out Eritreans from Ethiopia. Yes they do. But Weyane has hosted 100k Eritrean refugees who escaped slavery in Eritrea.
      #4. They are still occupying Eritrean territories. Yes they do. But they presented dialogue for resolving the issue.
      Woyane is the same organization that pfdj negotiate for peace, make a cease fire, go to court, exchange POWs , form TSZ. Why is it a taboo for Eritrean opposition to sit and talk with Weyane and receive help if necessary? So much of human(Eritrean) life is suffering for the sake of the aggrandized eirtrean diaspora/elite ego.

      • Paulos

        Selam Desbele,

        Would you join Bereket if he was to found a new political party? Simply because I see you in the same wavelength with what he stands for. I would not be surprised if he does.

        • Selamat Desbele,

          Would the new political party have an ideological basis?

          tSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Tsatse Arkey,

            Let’s make Eritrea great again?

        • Desbele

          Hi Paulos,
          You are right, I fully support him, but i better prefer to serve in civil organizations preferably those active in refugee issues.

  • iSem

    Hi Asmerom:
    You are correct 100k is substantial for Eri, but my point was that it is the minority which facilitates the change, so the opp has enough numbers to do so, that is, the silence of the so called silent majority is least of its problems and to my mind the silent majority is fence sitters

    • blink

      Dear isem
      so why do not we do it then ? I mean you are part of the minority who go to a great length even to beg weyane to demolsih Asmara by plane ? It has been 17 years since such attitude got hold in the opposition especially with these like Eshi aya Meles like people .what happend in the 17 years ?Almost 300,000 young men come our from Eritrea leaving PFDJ but with out their guns . You and people like haile Zeru has been begging weyane to use their Oromo killing machine to tilt to young men forced by isaiass to be at the front , yet no Answer from Weyane and No even a hint from the able Eritreans .
      Some of the people who call for war will not get their wish infact most of them will die naturally in the westernhospitals and no way to go back to Eritrea alive and i suspect they will not even get a small lot land for their body . The bitterness is killing them it is just that they do not know it.

      • iSem

        Blink
        It helps the debate if you stop telling untruth. When did I say to bomb asmara?
        Now about those who want war will die in the western hospitals, there is omission in your sentence, those who fall out of fav if IA will die in west. Saleh Johar Gadi does not want war, Saleh Younis does not, MS does not, Niazgi Kiflu did not want war, Seyoumd Harstai did not want war, infact his orga dissolved its military wing. Ali Abu, Andebrhan and Dr. Tekste and Mesfin Hagos and Shengeb all do not want war, but they will all die in the western hospitals, hopefully all mentione long time from now. So get ur facts together.
        No one begged woyane for war, but EPLF/PFDJ once begged them and it was humiliating when IA so desperately wanted to hug MZ after the signing, it reminded me of the when Arafat wanted to shake Rabbin’s hand in the white house and the later was cold.
        Also IA after he was humiliated in the war because the sun did rise in badme he wrote to MZ with endearment and begging. IA humiliated himself and he is humiliating Eritreans, he is so nice that he want so share indignity with us

        • blink

          Dear iSem
          I know and you know for a fact you gave a postive answer to Ayneta question long time ago may be one year ago , may be you did not remember but at that time people were calling you , Hayat and others Eshi goytaye , I was not commenting at that time but you do said “we should not shy away to get rid off them even using war and be supportive of EPRDF attack ” there is more to bring prove now i have a probelm of digging from your old comments but do not assume that people do not save comments of fringe attitudes .Just sing your canadian national song , do not you remember . Second I am not accusing the people you stated in your comment as they are not calling for war. I have never ever read any these people you stated calling for war ,never .

          • iSem

            Blink, I will make it easy for you, do not dig, I jut said getting help from Woyane is not only not wrong , it is blessed. But u said that I said to bomb Asmara??? that one u can dig
            Now read, u siad those who advocate for war will die in the west and I said all who critics of IA will die in the west, how hard was that sentence

          • blink

            iSem , , 99% of the comment i posted under ” ” is yours sir, may be not Asmara but you did support war and i wonder if the war can leave asmara an touched . I am one of these people who save comments from people so you can be assured i will get the exact word ,I just do not have my PC now. the sentence was no hard to understand, it is just that you did not understand mine may be . Here is what i mean ,any one who did critise PFDJ are not calling for war but you are right they end up being rejected even after their death the difference is ,They are remembered as people who are ready to spill blood .

        • Haile Zeru

          Hi Semere,

          Can you tell this idiot that it is much better to die in a western hospital than dying in ሓሊበት ሆስፒታል in Asmera, where they misplace and give a coffin with the wrong remains to a family. This idiot never been in PFDJ eritrea he is most vocal on difending it.
          If your loved one dies in eritrean hospitals for example ሓሊበት፡ and you come to take the coffin before you bury him/her, make sure to open and see whose body is inside. I recall two times coffins holding the wrong remains were given to the wrong families. Some people opened to see and found a man instead of woman or viceversa.
          PFDJ admin is incompetent. Many old people refuse to go to hospital in their last days, when they are terminally ill and prefer to die in home.
          Some people when they see their loved one is helpless they make all the papers to take him/ her home as if they are ok. Taking a cadaver was cumbersome endeavor in Halibet. I do not know if they fixed the problem.
          But it was that bad. I am sure in the west the hospital would end up in court for indignities to a dead body if they acted as unprofessional as the Halibet Hospital personnel.
          Which are Higdef admin.
          Dying in Western Hospital is
          Blessing.
          But people like this idiot must be hit head on by a train before they realize it is coming.
          Mental shortsightedness is much worse than eye-sight.

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi All,

    In principle I am for non interference in internal affairs of another country.
    The problem is that we had to many interferences to stick to this principle. It has become theoretical. Practically every one interference in the internal affairs of any other country. The limit is simply the capability of the country that wants to interfere and opposition of the country that is being interfered.
    Let us see the behavior of Selfi-Natsinet/PLF/EPLF from this vantage point and see how off the mark is the speech of Dr. BB.

    1) Early in the 70′ IA was going back and forth in Asmera (Kagnew Station) to convince the Americans to give him arms and other help to get rid of ELF.

    2) In 1977 EPLF went back and forth for three plus months to hammer a deal with Eastern Block and Derg’s Ethiopia to annihilate ELF.

    3) Finally EPLF made an alleance with TPLF to get rid of ELF. This one succeeded.

    Now if you draw lessons from these history what is wrong if Dr. BB and his organization invite the Weyane to help them dislodge IA from Asmera and save the hundred’s of thousands that are languishing in refugee camps and in dangerous transit to Europe. It is just a lesson well learned.

    The crooks of the matter is our Tigrinya compatriots are terrified to fall under their Tigrawot cousins. They know they are as bad or worse oppressors than them. Even though when everything is said and done they would just go along fine.

    On the other side the Weyanes are extremely suspicious of any Eritrean force that would be strong enough to challenge PFDJ. Because they have to deal with that force just after IA is done with. Hence they are making their utmost to have as many minion armies that will not amount to nothing. From the clips that we see here and there these small armies are badly armed, just the minimum necessary. Compare them to the Asghedom Molla unit that entered Sudan. You can see the level or weapons in their hands. The armed Eritrean opposition is no where near that kind of supply of armaments.

    As for the Land, the Land will be always there. It will not go any where and there is nothing one can do about it. The maps are drawn what belongs to Eritrea will be handed to Eritrea sooner or later. At the moment the opposition does not have the mandate to do anything about it.
    IA and PFDJ supporters are hanging on this last straw to justify the misery the Eritrean people are going thru because of them.

    • iSem

      Hi Haile;
      There is absolutely nothing wrong to solicit the help of anyone even Woyane to get rid of PFDJ, actually it is blessed. And who ever has that problem they will grow out of it when the PFDJ as it does increases the dosage of pain it inflicts until it becomes unbearable, and people slowly, especially those who are directly affected victims will get it, the same way they got it about being in Ethiopia, not only do they get it, they are flocking to Ethiopia , even after it humiliated them in 1998 by stealing their money and deporting them. The opposition must not apologize for it, the people are behind in this, they need “nqhaat”

      Oh and the so called silent majority, it is code, a sexy name for those who are ambivalent, it is not different than during the armed struggle, by the time ELF was pushed, they were only 60K, by the time EPLF entered Asmara they were close to only100k and including the(hafash wudubat” who contributed money and danced and visited the field, maybe they were 500k, the reset were silent majority in todays speak but in truth they were ambivalent, (znegese ngussina…,) with us in their heart, but their words and actions, who knows where. So this obsession to coax and cajole these formidable silent majority is none sense. They will come join in droves if we built it

      But it is tricky, what does Ethiopia want in exchange for their help, we cannot give them the bank like EPLF did in 1981, this is where we need to show our unwavering unity and ingenuity, these is were the opostion if ailing not in its goals and tools and means.
      If was kosher for them, it must be kosher

      • Haile Zeru

        ሰላም ሰመረ

        “ኢድ ሸናሒት ጸናሒት” I hope I am write with this proverb. Pfdj and IA should be destroyed as they did it to others before eritrea gets destroyed. If that entails a helping hand from Weyane? We should accept it. BB is right.
        At this stage though TPLF should do some declarations. For example ones the threat of PFDJ is gone that they would hand over all Eritrean teritory to, let’s say, elected government. That they need peace and mutual rispect. That they will settle any outstanding issue peacufully and legally.
        The way things are now it seems the worry that, what is going to come after PFDJ is taking over any/all assumptions.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Haile Zeru,

          Beggars can not be choosers. What Ethiopia does is, first and for most for the benefit of Ethiopia. There is no way, Ethiopia risk it’s prestige in the AU and the UN (now as SC member) and the world and go to war (invade Eritrea) do regime change and will not expect something in return.

          Why don’t you be in their position and see if what you propose is acceptable. What do they get in return?

          Tzigereda is right, it needs to be started and owned by us. What ever help we get from Ethiopia or others, politically, militarily and financially is an added bonus.

          Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhe,

            I suspect the “Territorial Integrity First” has a psychological hung-up where it seems to stand in the way when the younger generation tries to make strides in the struggle for justice.

            Let me get right down to it. The younger generation or the Eritrean Millenials do not know first hand the dreadful experience of Tigreans in Eritrea that spanned over 50 years time. The generation that had lived with in that era fostered a sort of look-down attitude toward the Tigreans who had occupied the lowest socio-economic status with in Eritrea’s strata. The look-down attitude cultivated a life of its own to the extent not only guided EPLF’s attitude towards TPLF during the struggle for independence, it has also become a blurring fog with in some of the Opposition with respect to Weyane. The choice becomes to live under tyranny at the expense of the future of the Millenials instead of prostration under someone who was “nobody.”

          • Selamat Paulos,

            Certainly a quotable at this day and time, when there is a push for an all out offensive on a final resolution. There are those who believe and propagate a final resolution unattainable. Provocations should be pointed out, for it makes for muddy and murky watters. Surely we are both immuned from drinking mayy Hariet, after digging an EEIla.

            As you were.

            tSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Selamat Tsatse Arkey,

            The Weyanes say, if they are going to declare an all out war, they are going to declare it on poverty typical of their nature a complete betrayal as if poverty was not their BFF. Thing is, the stone-dead silence of the group who call themselves Poverty’s Rights Activists is astounding when poverty is being abused and harassed by Weyane.

            No no I insist ብጻድቃን ብጻድቃን ኢለካ as you were as the Weyanes would say it.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi BY,
            It is not like that. The opposition is not alla par now but it will deliver mutually beneficial results ones it gets its acts together.
            In order to put the land issue in the back and work on the rest a simple Ethiopian declaration of intent would go a long way.
            This is not begging. It is building trust.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HZ,

            I think this is all hypothetical and I don’t think anything will materiliaze. But I would surprised the Ethiopian government knowing admit that they are not currently abide by the rule of law. And what would their people think? As it is they are accused for losing Eritrea and to admit that they will hand over land that they thought belongs to them and paid thousands of people to gain it back?

            And all this to benefit primary Erotrean people. (We know there is benefit to them to but it wouldn’t be so obvious) when this guy spinned around.

            Right now I feel that we have no sense of direction, strategy, plan in how to attack the monster.

            If this was a technical problem, the obvious thing to do would be to break up the complex to small pieces and solve small problem at a time.

            For example if the PFDJ as a system, what is it made up.

            Finance
            Security
            Military
            Spy network
            Mass Media
            Party insiders / inside the country
            Party insiders / outside the country
            Police
            Public servants
            Embassy / consulates
            PFDJ offices
            PFDJ operated / owned business
            Government ministry

            What ever other parts of the system that we don’t know.

            Next we need to do is, fill this chart and and fill in the names of those head of each division and continue down the hierarchy to identify each and every member.

            Then we create associations who these people are and how they each are related …. and find a strategy to infiltrate each part of the system so you can understand the hidden communication they have.

            We assign people based on their expertise, their desire and their willingness to operate what ever that they feel they can contribute the most.

            On and on….

            Berhe

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi By,
            Regardless we should be already doing all the things you listed.
            But the interaction with Ethiopia is still an enigma.
            Obviously they are in an area that was demarcated and belongs to Ertrea. They accepted also the ruling.
            Now the only thing left is hand over.
            This is creating a problem for the opposition that wants to work with Ethiopia.
            If Ethiopia is convinced that at the end it will cede this land they can act in one way.
            But if they think they do not care and they will keep the land indefenetely they will act in another way.
            At present Ethiopia position is unknown to us. And any Eri government that comes will have to deal with it.
            Now if it is the first case (eventually they will cede the land) then a decleration on the modality would be of a great help to the opposition.
            They would clearly say elected government which would disqualify IA, and at the same time show the eritrean people no harm will come to them from Ethiopia. Thus taking the cloud away from the opposition that wants to work with them even militarely.
            Internationally all involved know that Ethiopia is reneging. Nothing new on that.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HZ,

            I honestly do not know what Ethiopia intentions are. At some point I use to believe that, they wanted to have a weak and divided Eritrea where, eventually sooner or later parts of Eritrea (the Afar/ Assab) region and the central region (Kunama) would fall into to them. And Eritrea is too divided and too weak to do anything about it (specially with the long fatigue of war state of war).

            But I think the real answer is, I don’t think they know what to do either. It’s like damn if they do and damn if they don’t and they would rather see the Eritrean people come up with their own solution and as long as IA is contained, the status quo is fine by them and look at developing alternative that suit their needs.

            Personally I don’t think military solution is feasible. It’s civil war and they are by nature, very complex and ugly and they cause more damage than the benefit. Eritrea will not be able to recover from another civil war…..and the opposition will completely will be disadvantage because we will be fighting the regime on what it is really good at. It will be like what SA and Gulf states and the US have tried to bring military solution to Syria crisis and the opposition is all over divided to do anything..at least Asad was resisting until the US started to interfere and Russia got involved and changed the game.

            I think the peaceful resistance would have achieved much better results and would have created an informed, organized and well prepared group of leaders.

            Berhe

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Berhe Y: It is not a matter of what Ethiopia’s intentions are but rather what the intentions of the TPLF are. In this regard, the TPLF wishes status quo to allow for their continued economic rape of Ethiopia.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Kalihari Snak

            What do you mean, TPLF are not Ethiopians ?

            KS,,

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Kokhob Selam: Ethiopians are human whereas the TPLF are not.

          • Mez

            Draw Kalihary S,
            You are an astonishing snake.

            Thanks

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Kalihari Snak,

            How ? That happens?

            KS,,

          • Berhe Y

            Dear KS,

            Do you think IA knows the intentions of TPLF? If so, then is he an accomplice in the whole thing.

            Berhe

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Berhe Y: The real accomplices are Eritrean opposition groups (who see and hear no evil done by the TPLF) as well as the U.S. and the U.N. Security Council. PIA is simply a nationalist dictator with a very poor diplomatic skill set that has been forced in a corner.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Haile Zeru. Eritrean opposition groups are falling flat on their faces cuz they refuse to simultaneously hammer Ethiopia over its illegal occupation of Badme while they are trying pathetically attempting to dismember the PIA regime.

          • Selamat Berhe Y,

            “Right now I feel that we have no sense of direction, strategy, plan in how to attack the monster.”

            The Eritrean Opposition should not only test the waters but should also endorse Ethiopia’s lead on lifting the Sanctions. I know you agree, but let me ask you for an explicit statement. Do you agree?

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Tsatse,

            The technical response:

            The problem is there is this unresolved issue with Djibouti which was one of the reason for sanction, that Qatar was handling but it is no longer (if I am correct). Unless Djibouti also says I have no issue (which is not the case, in fact they said Eritrea moved its solidiers after Qatar troops left and complained to SC) so the reason for the sanction still stands.

            When are the PFDZj will get this? As if the problem doesn’t exist, it does people died, solidiers captured etc.

            What if Eritrea invade / cross the boarder again? Did Eritrea meet the conditions for the sanctions? If the answer is NO, will not be lifted unless one of the big powers wanted and convince the others it’s ok, like I will be responsible kind of guarantee.

            Personally:
            As Eritrean opposition (which has zero influence for the sanctions) non of what we fight for against the regime has changed. He did not release prisoners (no pardon what’s so ever for the past 17 years), no newspaper opened, did nothing for the nations services etc. Nothing changes, business as usual as far as the regime is concerned. So my advice is BIG FAT NO.

            Berhe

          • Selamat Berhe Y,

            By “Technical response” you man “The official response”, right?

            And by a ” BIG FAT NO” , do you mean “Eritrea shoul forever be sanctioned by the UN”? As the big tomato is reverting to his kiddy days telling the little tomato “you are only a condiment. Mustard! absolutely not, more like KETCHUP!” Hence, slow.

            “Qatar…., Eritrean opposition, (zero influence…)…., meke Eritrea great again…” + …+….+ “Dr., muhandis…Ayay….” + + …+…
            The only positive is the collective limited imaginations by the stagnant and developmentally arrested.

            Never mind “SLOW”, it is more like RIGID. What does Jessie Jackson say? “Keep hope alive?”

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear tSatSe,

            PFDJ government yes, Eritrean people no. As is the case right now.

            Let me ask you, have you asked the PFDJ to comply with the UN requests.

            What credibility IA has to take his words?

            Berhe

          • Selamat Berhe Y,

            Qn about the SC?

            “Beggars can not be choosers. What Ethiopia does is, first and for most for the benefit of Ethiopia. There is no way, Ethiopia risk it’s prestige in the AU and the UN (now as SC member) and the world and go to war (invade Eritrea) do regime change and will not expect something in return.”

            Just quoting you verbatim. You are indeed very slow as Nitricay Arkey would say. And for the record, I have quoted you verbatim.

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear TsTse,

            If you are follow Nitric and try to make a point based on what he says, all I need to say is :

            ደድሕሪ አድጊ ዝኸደስ ጥራጥ አድጊ ለመደ፡፡

            Berhe

          • Selamat Berhe Y,

            Your first sentence sounds vindictive. It does not mean you meant it. People do quote. And whats wrong with passing gas?

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Hi tSatse,

            So what’s the point of quoting me and you say that I am “slow” and you do not state the reason why?

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y,

            Ask the FilHo. He will explain it better. We are now in the phase of utilizing the Kem-EdyMerfiE subroutine after it is input into the compiler. WYSYWIG. What you see is what you get, if you recall, is my point. How is Ayya Fareed. I sure do miss him alot!

            AbuAAshera Weapon X – Evolution! AmEritrean GitSAtSE Agnieya40 Azillo40.

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Hi tSaTse and Saay*

            Back to important points, Saay please feel free to join.

            1) Ethiopia is head of the SC for the Month of Sept 2017.
            2) Eritrea have asked the SC to life the sanctions.

            Is this coincidence? Is Eritrea looking / testing the waters what Ethiopia will do to support it in lifting the sanctions and would this amount to something else?

            Cohen is being quoted as saying “Ethiopia should back Eritrea for the SC to lift the sanctions.” I am not surprised if he has something to do with it, specially the timing.

            *Saay I am adding you because you twitted the speech the Eritrean FM was giving at the UN and you may have more insight.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe: ደድሕሪ Berhe ዝኸደስ Slow Berhe ለመደ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am giving you thumbs up for copy and paste:).

            Berhe

        • Desbele

          Hi Haile,

          TPLF/EPRDF has previously shown that it can sit on a table and get things done.
          Reminders: ceasefire, exchange of POWs , TSZ … all came with negotiations.
          ዘተ ዘይርድኦ ውልቀ መላኺ ጥራይ ይተኣለ

      • Tzigereda

        Selam Sem,
        Isaias Afwerki knows “Weyane” will not do it, “Weyane” knows they will not do it and both know we, the opposition will/ can not yet do it. Do we, the opposition know this? If yes, then it is just day dream to expect that what we are ought to do, will/ should/can be done by “Weyane”. 16 years passed, since the war, how many another years do you want to wait?
        Enough with such fatal ideas, enough with the daily mournings, we can not limit our contribution on counting the dead, the disappeared and the disillusioned. Enough with being temahlelti and texebeyti. The burden lies still on our shoulders, this can never be transferred to others, neither to the traumatised youngsters ( not meaning all) nor to the neighbours. If we still feel this responsibility then ዝወሓጥ ውሒጥና let us stand in unison, use the brains and resources wisely effectively, build institutionalized parties, officially elected representatives, only then we can become somebody, whose voice and face can not be ignored.
        The initiatives, meetings of the scattered non connected groups, individuals, organisations ግዝያዊ መደዓዓሲ ጥራሕ ኢዩ።
        New era of professionalized opposition…

        • iSem

          Merhaba Tegadalit Tzigereda?
          There is nothing to disagree with this comment of yours.
          But we are here talking about it because of what BB said and I am saying the idea itself as a belief system does not make us anti Eritrea, which PFDJ and wants to make and which some opp members shy away from
          You remember when they were telling the opp to leave Ethiopia so ppl could follow them. Ethiopia cannot invade Eritrea in their right mind, but war can start for any reason like it did last time and if that happens I do not think the opp should tell Ethiopia to return from Senafe, in the contrary they should use that opp to crash PFDJ, in short what I am saying is to ignore Semere Tesfai’s shaming of “ridding on Woyane tanks”, if for some reason the Woyane offer the ride they should take it, we should not shy away. where it is practical or conceptual, who knows, time will tell, maybe when IA wakes from his drinking binge he would bomb the dam and that will make it happen

      • Nitricc

        “There is absolutely nothing wrong to solicit the help of anyone even Woyane to get rid of PFDJ, actually it is blessed.”
        Semere Andom 09/27/2017

        • Selamat Nitricc,

          That’s the brains of maggots. bTigrigna KemEdyMerfiE FillllHHHHO ybehal. oh let me add “lol”

          tSAtSE

        • iSem

          Nitric:
          Yes, congras for quoting me verbatim, I am impressed,, it is flawless

          • Desbele

            Hi iSem,

            Does it feel like the pfdj stooges video taping protesters to scare them of the consequences
            DIA’s crime is worse for breeding such lackeys enmass.

    • Haile WM

      dear Haile Zeru,

      i think there is a principle flaw in all the reasoning about getting weyane/ethiopian help.

      1) in first place our choice to be an independent country led us to 30 years of war, with all the sacrifices made in order to be an independent country, sovereign, able to decide our destiny what was all for if we need assitance from other parties, begging to do the job we in first place choose to do.
      Our current failure should be totally owned by ourselves just as we own past achievements (independence). Asking help from Ethiopia, the very same country we fought to get independence from is a total failure in what we ought to achieve.

      2) Eplf seeking assistance from TPLF to get rid of ELF is/was an unprincipled move. especially if you look at how EPLF turned to be the new oppressor. It led to the creation of the current group which puts its narrow interest before the nation the people. Are we seeking to follow the same path in order to get a better solution? that, from my point of view, would make us no better than the current system.

      3) What would TPLF/woyane gain by removing the despot for us ? as it was for the alliance with EPLF in times of need and turned to full confrontation over an insignificant piece of land (badme) can we assume a possible scenario in the future assuming we even have a greater debt (moral and material) towards TPLF/Woyane and act at the same time for the best interest of Eritrea?

      if we fail to remove the current system on our own, then we better keep the status quo. We are simply not ready
      and everything that would come after would be no better that the current mess. Italians would say “Dalla padella alla brace” meaning falling from the frying pan to the fire.

      • Haile Zeru

        Points well taken MoKsi. If you see my answer is directed to those who say any help from Weyane is treason. Especially the supporters and propagandists of the regime.
        To show them that is what they have been doing all along.
        Secondly, ኣደኻ ከም ዝበለትካ ኣይትግበር ዕዳጋ ከም ዝጸነሓካ ግበር።
        Presently our country is being empitied of the generation that will take charge of it. The status quo is not an option. The way things are going now, after most of the young leave the country anyone can invade it. Or ህግድፍ፡ ሳላ ግሎባላዘሽን ህንድን ፍሊፒኖን ክንብሩላ ክጅምሩ ኢዮም።
        One way or the other the picture is not rosy.
        Third, most important the acceptance of help from Weyane can be in many forms.
        The most important arms, logistics. The fighting can be done by eritrans. The tanks and mortars should be manned by Eritrean….and so on. All this is hypothetical any one can reason it out.
        The main element of my comment is though when IA does/did treason it was ok. When someone else (in this cas Dr. BB) speaks about doing the samething it is a treason. It does not work that way.
        If you reread my comment though you will see that external help is not the preferred way and if possible must limited to material help not an invading army.

        • Haile WM

          Hello Moqhsi,

          l’ obiettivo non è la morte ma la salvezza quando si cade dalla padella…

          the fighting for sure must be done by eritreans, problem is are eritreans ready to fight for their rights? You see the problem is not arms or whether logistic help, rather is anybody ready to fight? or even stand for justice ? the so called “silent majority” are an ample evidence that status quo must be the right thing.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Moksi,

            If they see a credible force that can challenge PFDJ probably they will fight. Now as it is the whole society is tired of fighting. But eventually if change does not come they will fight for it.
            Still I do not think the status quo is sustanable. At least as far the eritrean society is concerned.
            That’s why some bold, drastic measures must be taken to avert it.
            May be you are looking at it from different angle, I do not know. From what I see we, as a society are moving in the wrong direction and someone must do something to avert the disaster.

            …sicuramente lo status quo non ci riserva salvezza…

          • Haile WM

            that’s exactly my point dear Haile,

            if they see a credible force that can challenge PFDJ…. any force that comes aided by the woyane can be credible, especially when TPLF are having their issues and seemingly heading to a disaster in Ethiopia ?

            Credible in my opinion is a force that can sustain itself and attracts the so called “silent majority”..

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Haile and Haile (H2),

            This topic has been raised for a long time and in different forum but it seems that we have not made any significant headway. All our discussion seem to go in circles with no end in sight.

            It reminds me the ጹንጹዋይ we learned when we were young.

            There were group of 50 mice who invaded a house and they were roaming free for a while. Then the house owner, got a very tough and strong cat. And their lives turned up side down, with a lot of death (break fast, lunch and mouse for the cat). Knowing their faith is dwindling the mice had an emergency meeting. And they were trying to find a way to survice…and lots of ideas floated around. Then one mice come up with the best idea…and she said, how about we put a bell in the Cat’s neck and every time she comes, we can get alerted by the sound of the bell.

            They all cheered and jumped in joy, finally they thought they found the best solution they were looking for, except one elder mice who kept quite. When all the cheers stopped and one of the leader noticed the elder mice was quite, with her head down..asks,

            Dear elder mice, why are so quite, don’t you like the idea? what are you thinking …

            And the elder mice said:

            My children, it’s a great idea but who among us is going to put the bell in the Cat’s neck?

            The mice house went into silence….and no body dared to raise it’s hands to do it.

            Berhe

          • Haile WM

            selamat Berhe,

            discussion is always good, even though it might seem there is no ending point to it, the progress is subtle and we keep seeking solutions in the meanwhile. never loose hope

          • Haile Zeru

            You are jumping to the final product, “self sustaining”.
            You can reach there by using all available resources. Including help from Weyane. It would be good if you draw some lessons from ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት. They went with Sabbe till they become self sustaining.
            In the alleance with weayane the requirements which should remain ummutable are the relations between good, friendly neighbours. Policies geared towards mutual benefit of the people.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi HS

            One more point to add to your observation. In Eritrea there is no silent majority. Anyone that can cross the boarder s/he is doing it. Their voice is silent but their feet are expressing what they really feel.
            You can talk of a majority that instead of comfronting the system is choosing to run away from it.
            So, the appositon that want to tear down PFDJ need to redirect the oriantation of the majority.

          • Haile WM

            Dear HZ

            Silent majority in my opinion are those while observing all the wrongs and in their hearts disapprove but stay silent or flee the country. few have the courage to face PFDJ even after they have fled the country, but the majority they stay silent or sometimes become instruments of PFDJ.
            In any case if history have ever taught us some lessons is that any force that fights for change and actually brings it would never hand power to the people immediately.

            the biggest Failure of EPLF is not that it failed to hand power to the people. It actually failed to create and institutionalized government system. if it would have changed it’s self in to a party back in 1993 and allowed a multiparty system it would have won elections for the next 50 years without any challenge.

            and if we want to change the current system we must not follow the same traits of “by any possible mean” modus operandi.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, There is one important conclusion out of all this madness. Anyone who is opposing, undermining, deflecting and discouraging to have a clear and definitive border between Eritrea and Ethiopia is an Agazian!!!! If not, how in the world anyone can compare the border issue an issue of people vs land? We didn’t say let’s go war to claim the land. we didn’t say let’s kick out the people so we can get the land. All we are saying is there is a border issue which it took blood, lives, it took enormous resources and to top it of there is a legal conclusion. What kind of person or citizen would oppose for such forgone conclusion for the better of national matter? You guest it, there are people who are Agazians, they don’t want endanger the possibility of the creation of Agazians, they don’t disturb the possible unity of the two Tigrigna speaking people. To them implementing the border ruling means burning the bridge, the final draw that breaks the link and the possibility of the creation of Agaizians. that is why you hear people such Dr. BB it saddens and embarrasses them when they hear people asking for the border implementations. That is the reason many people on this forum trying to confuse you as if this people Vs land. NO, no ever said let’s go war for the sake of the land. All we are saying is there is a border issue that have a legal conclusion and we are asking the ruling to be implemented as per the rule of law. And the Agaizins are bent not to see the border ruling implemented and they must confuse you as if it is between the land and the people. Agaizins! you may try to pull all that crab and hide between things but at the end of the day the rule of law will prevail, the border will be demarcated and Eritrea shall be peace with her self.

    • Thomas

      Hi Nitricc,

      Confusing? I noticed you have overused the words such as:

      1) We – by we you meant to say the people at tesfa news and that is what you meant I will understand? I think most people here have had enough about you when call the lampshade victims a bunch of cowards, our refuges in Ethiopia as lazies and also cowards and anyone who opposes the mafias administration as toothless and good for nothing. When people talk about the land here they are only referring the badme and as your master said it is a done deal. That he is never worried about it.
      2) Agazian – unity of the two tigrignas. How is the badme talk and the agazian talk related? Are you saying this because the awate forum has given enough coverage on the agazians and you want to use the agazian as threats to get the attention of the awatistas? Let me tell you something awatistas are very smart people and they cannot be manuplated or confused by people of special needs like you. They don’t you to blow the alert ring:)
      3) Border issue that took lives – recently I noticed that you start talking about the people who lost lives. That is really progress on your side, but don’t be selective. We lost lives at the badme war, at the sahara deserts and as we speak our youth are shot at by pfdj regime that you support. After the badme war hundreds of thousands of Eritrean youth as young as 8 have departed Eritrea and this is because of the regime you support. These are people that Eritrea will need tomorrow and they most probably will never return.
      4) Confusion by agazians — you are giving too much coverage to the Agazian and you are doing this to get awatistas attention. Again, people here are your educators and I suggest you don’t insult their intelligence.

      NB: Eritreaness is when you care for Eritrean lives. We are at the worst time of our history and never try scratch our wounds.

      • Nitricc

        Hi thomas; this is not meant for you. you are known Agazi, i was talking to those undercover, sorry. I don’t think you have the intellectual capacity to understand what i am saying. Sorry my man.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      ሰላም ኒትሪክ ተባለዓይ,

      አግኣዝያን ዝብል ቃል ናይ ቀደም እነ እኒ እንጀራ ኸሎ እምኒ: ገና ሃገር ዝብል ጥንሰ ሐሳብ አብዘይነበረሉ እዋን እዩ:: ምስ ምቆም ዘበናዊ ሃገራት ዝጠፈኤ አጸዋውዓ ስለዝኾነ አብዘየድሊ ጸምዲ ግዜኻ አይተሕልፎ:: ንሕብረተ ሰብአዊ ምዕባለ ንድሒሪት ምምላስ አይከአልን’ዩ ዋላኳ ዝፎትኑ እንተዘይተሳእኑ::

      ሰሰናዩ ንዓኻ

      • Nitricc

        HI Aman-H, so think the concept of Agazian is dead, huh? Well, they are about to have a conference in Germany. Ideology never dies, it gets buried, slows down and on opportune time, it will show its ugly face.
        having said that, Then, why do you think the likes of Dr. BB feels “saddened and embarrassed” when Eritreans asks for their legal lands? Your answer is appreciated, if you have one. I don’t.

        • Paulos

          Nitrikay,

          I agree with what you just pointed out. Ideology has a life of its own. And what is unique about it is that it never dies. The question is however, is Agazian an ideology? I doubt it is or if it has any for that matter. It is a negation of some sort at best. My reading of it is, it is a fringe movement based on appealing to the anxieties of people where the target segment is the Eritrean youth. Thing is, before we know it, a splinter group will come out of it and another splinter group from the branched out….and eventually it will be a victim of its own schizophrenic stand. Focus on what is relevant and key factors in the grand scheme of events. That is called smart strategic thinking. Isaias carried EPLF armed with smart strategic thinking by forming ephemeral alliances for a greater end. Bereket is “The Prophet in the Wilderness” who has seen clearly what is to come and he says ልብና ንፈትሽ አእምሮና ንመርምር አካይዳና ነዐሪ. We need to pay attention!

          • Nitricc

            Hey P; Hmmmmmmm? ” is Agazian an ideology?” I thought I was sure of it and now you made me to think of it. I don’t P? Is it? my understanding of ideology was something that comes from “idea” that un idea organized in to system. I don’t know P! You got me there. what do you think? is Agazian an ideology?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Paul,
            1) It is not an ideology. If you need to name it, call it a crap.
            2) There is an easy way of identifying if something qualifies to be an ideology: see if it can be copied or replicated by others or if it can inspire other societies to adopt it.
            3) Nitricc thinks any crazy idea can be an ideology… is nitriccology an ideology? Why not… many guys can be inspired by it like a blind man would be by a mirror!

          • Paulos

            Selam Hayatina,

            The value of a product is not dependent on its intrinsic value rather on the opinion of people about it. A smart, articulate and persuasive salesman can have you sign an insurance policy against clouds on a blue sky. The man who claims to be the salesperson of “Agazians” is incoherent, contradictory who badmouths people left and right. Those are precisely the indices if an ideology is the driving force in it or not.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,
            You have keen observation there. Their (agazian) salesman is not more than a kind of social outcast since he was a convicted criminal who had his day at the court of law for embezzlement. Actually, he could not get any choice except trying to plough a soil that has lost every item of organic element, and nothing can grow on it save some may be toxic weeds that even animals recognize skip. If the so called agazian and Daesh (in Syria and else where) can claim ideological coherence for their anachronistic ideas, then we better admit we are living in totally bizzare universe.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ismail: you said “since he was a convicted criminal who had his day at the court of law for embezzlement”
            Who is he?

          • Aron

            hi nitric
            Ofcourse tesfasion the horrible. I dont if it is true but i heard those rumors.
            Aron

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aron; do you think he is horrible? I mean He is practicing and testing the limits of the right to free speech. Does that makes him horrible?

          • Aron

            Hi nitric
            Absolutly, he is beyond horrible. I dont associate free speech with whipping people to have genocidal thoughts and i hate hate speeches
            Aron

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            The real question stands: Who failed the Eritrean people to have people like the Agazians to sprout where it is not only an omen but an indication how low we have dipped into. Is it the regime in Asmara, the Opposition including pressure groups and social activities or is it everyone? One interesting thing of note is I still have yet to see or read any of the PFDJ clowns calling out the Agazians. Perhaps the directives from the head of PFDJ is “leave them alone for they are doing our bidding.” No surprise there!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,

            The question you asked is crucially important every one of the actors you have mentioned should be asking without of course no one risking taking the position of shouldering responsibility. That is the reason why people quickly slide towards exchanging blames while the crisis keeps on adding in acuteness.

            A neutral none partisan observer would tell that it’s is indeed shared guilt though fairness would dictate difference in degree. A student of history would quickly tell you that what you are witnessing in the Eritrea’s condition is a symbolic epitome of initial phase of social and political decadence that exhibits itself when social and political condition of nations and domains loss direction and fail to properly evaluate their affairs and end up in division that would cause dispersed and contradictory interests leading towards doom.

            To make a story of a huge subject short, Iet us pray the second category of the two actors you have mentioned would wake up on time and set their priorities in order before the first actor (regime) wins the race and champions the last phase of the decadence. Sorry for being so bold in pinpointing the path to doomsday, Providence forbid.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            At the out set, let me say this and make my position clear: The Eritrean revolution and struggle was a just cause. And this may come as a surprise to you and other forumers as well when I say, for the Eritrean revolution to succeed, it needed an authoritarian and dictatorial leader. The MenkaE movement was not only wrong, it was too premature and misplaced as well. If it had succeeded in isolating Isaias, the revolution wouldn’t have gone far. This is one of the key points I find myself in disagreement with Dr. Bereket B. Some might say, TPLF exercised democratic principles during the struggle and succeeded. I say far from it. Meles was authoritarian through and through. During the fierce debate between Meles and Giday on the mechanisms and merits of MALELIT, most of the Tegadelties were with Giday in principle but could not align themselves with Giday for Meles was not only too powerful but Giday was already isolated as well.

            Now back to the question: If Gedli is not to be blamed, who is to shoulder the blame then? I say, the blame lands squarely on G-15! Their reading about the need for a dictatorial leader during the struggle was right and equally their reading for a reform after independence was also right but the way they handled the movement was unrealistic. A man who has never known reason, one can not expect him to reason out. The G-15 should have used the language he understands the most. And that is costing the Eritrean people the sad reality.

          • Desbele

            Hi Paulos,

            I agree with your G-15 assessment. But you are too harsh on Menkae…
            Sadism and authoritarianism are different. The mad dog was sadist and remains so for 50+yrs.
            Authoritarianism for the revolution to succeed, authoritarianism for the economy to grow, authoritarianism for social unity….where do you think would it stop. No excuse for authoritarianism please.

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            If you have seen “Fury” a brilliant David Ayer’s movie where in this particular scene, Brad Pitt walks in this apartment building with this idealist kid who was enlisted to do typing but found himself caring a gun in an intense battle against the Nazis in this German town, and Brad Pitt says to him, “Idealism is peaceful, history is violent.”

          • iSem

            Hi Paulos:
            No! the struggle did not need an authoritarian dictator, it is need a strong leadership, military discipline and no none sense agenda, which the Eritrean ghedli by and large had that ingredient. It also had the intellectual capacity, the animal herders lie that EPLF propagated was just a lie.
            Now, the Menake was never wrong, they were only wrong because they were naïve in that dog eat dog environment that IA and Romandan and co created, these are our brothers and they never anticipated to disappear. Also you are ignoring the Kangew thing, something that is shrouded in secrecy, no one is studying it and you may have your answer there. And EPLF’s first order of business was to assassinate the broker of kangenew, Wedi Georgo, WHY? By the time when IA splintered the highlanders were not endager in ELF, ELF had by then became national front, the highlanders started to dominate and by 1975, they took over. The Semharis, who sided with IA were not endanger by then, they just had this notion of pride that they were better than the Abdella Idris and others. No one can name someone from Semhar that was assassinated because he was not from Barka, it is like nameless 200 university students that were killed by ELF enmass
            Now there is one main problem with Eritreans, even smart people like you an dmany in this forum whom I admire think that. Not only do they think that, they are oblivious to the facts that the current PFDJ MO has its underpinning from the 1972, that phenomenon became a blue print, a blue print that worked, but Erit4ran have not calibrated to it, the G-15, did not, the tegaelti demands in 1993 did not Wedi Alid did not and sadly some of the new opposition have not

            And sadly, the Menkae stared to allow checks and balance and if they have succeeded in isolating IA, the revolution would have succeeded faster and we would be better. People Like Afa were anxious for the unity of ELF, they were against disappearing the menkae, Afa asked IA where are they (AKlilu Zere, 2009, the beginning of the Despot). If IA was isolated or killed, TPLF would not have played games with Eritreans by siding with EL at one time and then EPLF, the good people in EPLF would be in the helm, and the few trouble makers who would be taking hostage the gheldi with debates like they the Ghidey and Argawi group did TPLF, they would be deported and would be alive, a boon for Eritrea,
            Now come on Paulos. TPLF debated the Ghidey group fpr 3 years, so it is apples and oranges, there was no such debate in EPLF. Yes MZ had the backing of Sibhat and IA had the backing of Romandan group because he lied that the Mekae were regionalists, MZ said this debate, whether a rich farmer is our friend or foe is silly and debilitating.If IA was isolated Eriteas would have better chance of becoming like Ethiopia, that is a country with some shot of fixing its ugly history, now Eritea is mired in the old ugly gheldi mud that BB articualted

            Also one more thing, the Menkae did not just disappear, they were tortured, “they would be taken with the metal shackles and the shackles would return but no them” said one eye witness. To give you a clue the prisoners from the 1981 war with ELF, many of them were tortured and no one above a platoon leader returned in one piece while the Ethiopian war prisoners were treated much better. Also
            Conclusion: Gheldi was just was EPLF was never for Eritrean liberty and most Eritreans have not come to terms with this
            Now this may shock you, consider TPLF, they had their own Haleiwa Woyane and few people died in suspicious circumstances but they handled their Menkae well, they handled their G-15 well, you guys need to stop reading. EPLF is ugly, people like Hilal, the French man who helped them was sent back home and he visited Eritrea after independence , but has said nothing, written nothing, unlike Dan C. He also had blood in his hands, I suspect.
            Menkae was timely, heat the iron while it is hot or discipline the kid while young….

          • Nitricc

            Semere; you said ” Now this may shock you, consider TPLF, they had their own Haleiwa Woyane and few people died in suspicious circumstances” And how do you know that to be a fact. What do you mean by few? is there any number to it. were you a TPLF fighter?

          • Paulos

            Selam Semerile,

            You said it yourself, it was dog eats dog world were it was not a walk in the park. Revolution for independence didn’t start with Eritrea or in Eritrea. History many times over have gone into extended deliberation and it has awarded in its verdict those who are realistic. Isaias to his credit clearly understood the core nature of guerrilla movement. Strategy and tactics are like the Chinese chopsticks. They work in tandem in a well crafted choreography. If Isaias conspired in Kagnew and with the Dergue, so what? Really. Simply because in the final analysis, it remains to be irrelevant in the grand scheme of events. Collective leadership or majority vote never worked in Liberation Fronts but as Otto Von Bismark said it, “…Blood and Iron.”

          • iSem

            Hi Paulos:
            If the conspiracy underwhelming you, so the TPLF conspiracy is good, this revolution eats its own children is nonsense, we can read history and revolutions succeed without devouring their children
            If the struggle was just why conspire with ur enemies to cashier ur brothers, if everything is faire game then that is different discussion.
            I am saying if you complain about what is going now, we cannot be intellectually honest and ignore what helped it to be this way, I do not mean to go to 1972 and take revenges but if you cannot appreciate what went wrong then and underpinned the design of PFDJ, then either one is dishonest or deliberately misleading.
            if the conspiracy does not shock u then if one of the opposition groups now conspires with PFDJ (which I suspect some do, jus we do not know yet) to destroy the likes of the guy who u admired (BB) and brought us to this discussion, then I am missing some thing;-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Paulosay,

            Dictatorship can not be condoned in any form or shape or to any conditional circumstances for that matter. Dictatorship is the behavior of dictators to eliminate who oppose their views and their leaderships. Dictators will defend their act be it in the ghedli era or as a government. It is unfortunate to justify the killing of our bright fighters that our nation can offer, at that particular era. An organization that devour its intellectuals is not difficult to understand it, that it willt put our nation and its people in the crises we are in. if the killing was okay and justifiable with you back then, the same logic and rationale will dictate you to accept the current acts of the regime. Dictators survive by killing their opponents and suppressing the rights of citizen.

            In any case this is another additional surprise from you to your statement of last time, that implies “Freedom and authoritarianism could coexist.”

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman-H you have this quote from P which I happened to agree with P but you seem surprised by it. that is ” “Freedom and authoritarianism could coexist.” on this case how do you explain Singapore?to my mind Singapore is the prefect example the harmony and success of Freedom and authoritarianism coexistence. again how do describe Singapore?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            The quoted phrase is not his words, it was mine how I interpreted his comment at that time. On the Singapore issue, we will debate when time and circumstances allows us. Now we are busy on how to emancipate our people the despot and its institutions.

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            I certainly do not condone dictatorship in a time of nation building but during the liberation movement I think it was imperative for a strong hand to structure and discipline the dynamics.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,

            You more than often come with challenging thought – reason enough for me to try closely read what you write. It is one of the traits people versed on social sciences cannot hide. I have to apologize for late response; just got time to log in.

            Anyway, I will second what my brother Aman H wrote on the issue of dictators and their systems. I would just add that any repressive regime or person is reprehensive to begin with. Even primitive and nomadic societies would vote against any prescription of dictatorship because it is against their endowed (man is born free) freedom of movement and way of life. I understand a lot of philosophical discourse had flown under the bridge on the issue. Machialvelli’s “The Prince” and the means justifies the end pops up in mind when talk about dictators and dictatorships starts. Of course there are qualified notions such as benevolent dictators which are very rare commodities because it’s about power and power corrupts. Moreover, in organized nations or societies that enjoy well established state and governance infrastructures of institutionalized legal systems, benevolent but transient heavy handed rules could be willed by consent. Economic austerity and national security cases could trigger them. Thus, to be brief, dictatorships and dictators can only be aberrations rather than options, and should be shunned and resisted all the time and in all places.

            As to your view that the Eritrean struggle for liberation “needed an authoritarian and dictatorial leader”, it seems to me needing a lot of explanation of why that had to be the case in liberation movements phase of the struggle for statehood. If dictatorship is judge to be an imperative at one stage for specific case or condition, what is the guarantee that it would turn so harmless and would relinquish power and repression in favor of democratic process of state building? Are not Isayas and his collaborators tellingly living examples?. I am real sceptic that the two movements you have cited (EPLF and TPLF) succeeded due to dictatorial leaderships under Meles and Isayas.

            Furthermore, I would be a million times cautious before describing the members of the “MenkaE” (it is derogative term that did not fit them) they way you did. I am one of the contemporaries who happened to know several of them. I do not think Yohannes Sibhatu (brain) and Mussie had acted prematurely and engaged in mis steps. Their only mistake was that they trusted the former classmate of Mussie and a man with whom they share their growing years would betray them to the extent of physically liquidating them. They never realized they were dealing with power hungry man infected with a lot of complexes, suspicions and character of vindictiveness. His problem with them was that they excelled him in brilliance and character that he thought they were threat to his ambition.

            And one last point, resorting to blaming “Ghedli” for the current circumstances is an enormously sweeping statement because the Eritrean liberation movement could not, should not, be dwarfed to the size of the EPLF and what it has become after independence. The G-15 and others fit the experience of the EPLF and not the totality of the Eritrean movement for liberation and setting criticisms in an all encompassing way does not do justice to the other actors whose roles in governing have not been tested. They lack of performance as opposition to our satisfaction is one thing, and lumping them with the EPLF to share post independence mistakes is totally another. “Ghedli” is bigger than the EPLF and should be evaluated with that in clear focus.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            You asked, “…..what is the guarantee that it would turn harmless…..” That is a brilliant question. It is one of the vagaries with in the contingencies of history but I say, one has to be willing to take the risk. The challenge I pose to all of us who are life long students of history is, can we cite an event in any Liberation Struggle that has succeeded under the tenets of democracy and its branches. The “French Revolution, October 17 revolution, The Long March revolution, Ho ChI Minh revolution…” succeeded precisely because the center of gravity was condensed under an intense power of a dictator. Precedence matters and the Eritrean revolution shouldn’t have been an exception either. That said of course, I absolutely agree with you that dictatorship is an anathema to human nature where as you put it “Man” is born free and the need to bestow and guarantee the unalienable rights remains in its place when nation building begins. I sure do not mean to appear insensitive to the tragedy of the “MenkaE” movement but I was under the impression that we tend to lose critical faculties when we put human faces on to the movement for emotions more often than not become confounding factor in the final analysis.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,

            What you are arguing regarding precedents and their importance to our understanding of events in history is in retrospect true as the examples you provided indicate. But my take is (though probably was short in articulation) is whether or not dictatorial leadership in cases of liberation movements is judicious enough to be prescribed as general rule without which aspired goals could not be attained. Shouldn’t we consider the objective conditions that led to the rise of liberation movements and the circumstances that impact their operation as vagaries (to borrow the term you pertinently used) of historical exigencies, and assign them to the realms of aberrations rather than inevitable and necessary risks?. The by-product question could be: how many of those precedent events in history ended up in democratic statehoods and open societies?

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            You certainly raised valid points and it is rather problematic to engage in a sweeping generalizations if a rule of thumb could be prescribed for dictatorship as a modus operandi in liberation movements. Moreover, admittingly I am not sure if post-liberation realities are the direct results of the dynamics during liberation. If TPLF is to be taken to make a point however, it has abandoned its dictatorial tendencies during the struggle and ventured onto nation building armed to the very least with a semblance of democracy to its credit that is.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat, why are you distancing your self now? As far as I can tell, anyone who is interested to unite the two Tigrigna speaking ethnics is plain and simple is Agazi. And your missions is has been from day one was to unite the two Tgrigna speaking people. it was never about Ethiopia and Eritrea but everything to do about Tigryans and highland Eritreans. At least have the dignity to stand what you are, Agazi in closet.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      We have heard about this agazian people just this year. The boarder ruling impasse started in 2003.

      “We didn’t say let’s go war to claim the land. we didn’t say let’s kick out the people so we can get the land. All we are saying is there is a border issue which it took blood, lives, it took enormous resources and to top it of there is a legal conclusion. What kind of person or citizen would oppose for such forgone conclusion for the better of national matter?”

      No body is argument against this..no body.

      And we also know it’s Ethiopia who is refusing the implementation of the boarder.

      Now what are you going to do to force Ethiopia to be abide by the ruling and the boarder demarcation implemented. And how long are you willing to wait for it… Israel occupied Syrian desert Golan heights in 1967 and still occupy them….the boarder of S and N Korea isn’t demarcated and conflict is going on for 70 years…both Syria and N. Korea do not have the means to do it…by force.

      You follow..

      1) Why does the PFDJ government need to abuse it’s citizens to the point of imprisoning 6 year old’s..
      2) Why are young and un-accompanied children leaving the country and become refugees in the “enemy land”.

      What people are saying..as we demand for the boarder to be demarcated, let’s focus on saving our people and remove the cancer of the society, IA from power.

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        Hi Berehe; The Ethiopians are refusing because they see that the Eritreans are divided and confused. If every Eritrean has stand-up in unisons and demand the implementation of the border verdicts, the Weyane have no choice but to comply. The problem is the Ethiopians are emboldened by the irresponsible Eritreans in to refusing to do what is right. Can you imagine if the Likes of Dr. BB tells Eritreans in their face that whenever the Bidme issue comes up I am “saddens and embarrasses” him, I wonder what he tells them behind doors? this is the problem. The truth is, if you want to see a real change in Eritrea, solve the border issue and see the end of PIA.
        Now, to your take, Do you really want me to believe that the government of Eritrea imprisons 6 years old boys? Come on Berhe. Some times you need use your commonsense. It doesn’t even make sense.
        True, people are living for economic reasons. You can argue that the political system led to the economic hardship but everyone seems to be convince that elsewhere is better than Eritrea. Furthermore; the no peace the negative publicity by the international media and by Eritrean and none Eritrea human traffickers, the people are mislead and fooled. Why do you think majority Eritreans youth in Europe are regretting it to the point of contemplating returning to back home.
        What I am saying is, by demanding that the border veracity must be implemented,
        We can save the youth from unlimited national service i.e. the youth doesn’t have to flee the country.
        We can eliminate all excuses by the government of Eritrea so, the people can hold the government accountable.
        We can established mutual economic growth with the Ethiopians.
        We can , once the border is solved according the court, we will eliminate any excuses for future conflicts. So, the two people can concentrate on development and shared values.
        The real cancer for Eritrea is the refusal of the Ethiopians and the Eritreans who are encouraging the Ethiopians to so.
        Do you want to solve every Eritrea’s problem? Demand for the implementation of the border ruling and end no peace no war.

        • Hi Nitricc,
          You said “the truth is, if you want to see a real change in eritrea, solve the border issue and see the end of pia.”.
          The problem is that both the ethiopian government and dia do not want the border issue to be solved, the world community (the un, au and the world powers) do not care, and you can not force ethiopia, nor is there a power that can force her to abide by the decision.
          This means, you are condemning eritreans into permanent bondage under dictatorship, and you are ready to risk eritrea becoming a failed state, as long as she is losing her young, and as time passes the controversies between her social groups is going to get worse under this difficult situation of the worst type of dictatorship.

        • Aron

          hi nitric,
          one question for you. What is the problem if the two tigrignas / tigrinya (as tsase seems to think they are different ) united and created strong nation as it was before menelik split it?
          Aron

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aron, well the will be the creation of Agazians. meaning Tigryans will exclude the rest of the Ethiopians while Eritrea shall exclude the entire lowlands and Muslims. Do you support the idea of Agazians?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Nitriccay,

            This should be the common stand of yours and most of Awate community.

            KS,,

          • Aron

            hi nitric
            What gives you the idea lowlanders and muslims cant live in harmony with unified highlanders together. As is now the division is so bad between the ali salims and the tesfasions What guarantees do you have to keep eritrea intact after the demise of the dictator. To me unification of the same peoele is not the problem at all as long as there is rule of law. Besides half of the moslem you are talking about are tigrignas.
            Aron

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aron: I didn’t say there is a problem in harmony within Lowlander and Muslims. What I am saying is, if the Tefastions dream to come true, there will be a great danger for Eritrean lowlanders and Muslims. I don’t oppose peaceful unification but I despise and oppose any unification that comes at the expense of others. Any majority that plans to oppress the minority shall not live in peace.
            I didn’t know half of Tigray population are Muslims. Are sure about that?

          • Aron

            Hi nitric
            I dont approve any kind of injustice at all. Be it religious, racial or ethnic or whatever. I am talking about harmony and rule of law. The moslems i was talking about are eritreans not from tigray. Most everyone tends to lump moslems together with low landers. A lot of eritrean moslems are native tigrigna speakers and they already live in harmony despite the ali salims and tesfasions.
            Aron

          • Thomas

            Hi Aron,

            If you don’t know tsatse yet, you must look to his posts on this forum and tell me if there is a single thing (a sentence of his comment) you understand. Tsatse’s posts are about nothing and the content of his comments are only understood by only him:)

          • Aron

            Hi thomas,
            I actually read everything he writes. I have not given up on him yet.
            Aron

          • Thomas

            Hi Aron,

            I actually was trying to help, keep trying then. I might depend on you for explaining what it is he writes:)

          • MerHaba Thomas,

            AbaTreg Aron memhirka ‘mber kabakha astemhro wnn enda wesede gudletatka temmmmaammmmm gieru kerediaka iyu. KemEdymerfiE ly speaking: You Dummy Tomi ‘liiizzaabbbeth” This Big Dummy Tomi does has no clue about

            AbuAAshera Weapon X – Evolution! Ayy nisu ‘ndyu eyyeyy illu ms Aron zeliqiss zelekhu.
            Step up Aron!

            AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40 A40

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            It means GitSatSE is better than every body in this forume .lets see it this way , you use your time in this forum to defend weyane and he use this forum to study , which one is better . I always learn some thing from him while i see your comment nothing than a defender of weyane. I wonder if you take yourself as Eritrean opposition.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,
            How about if I am done with the things that he is impressed to learn now and it is just a job for me? You see they say empty vessel makes the loudest sound, ain’t that right?

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            I am not sure if that will make you better man than him too . I mean , if he is learning abstract algebra or Algorithms now, it means he is doing it to benefit himself . If you did all these he is doing now ,it means nothing as far as you are not using your time in this forum constractively and postively to infulance a wider audions . Let’s hope you come up with things that can convince people like me or far better than me or worse than me then may be you can accuse him.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Sorry to disappoint you, but I have learned zero from what you write here. All I see coming out of you, is an angry of you insulting the Eritrean heroes, the ELFs and for that matter the weyanes to. You seem to be too naive about diplomacy and winning others whom in your small mind are your enemies. We are in 21st century, you need to keep up with the changes. Get off your imaginary enemies and most of all you have no power to force them to satisfy your demands and your ego!! Learn to unlearn your backward mind!!

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            who is insulted ? the people who sleep in their old wounds and the people try to divide Eritrea across Ethnic lines ? The people who wakes up defending weyane for the sake of scoring late time goal against EPLF ? come on thomas these people are the main obstacle f the opposition, because they wanted the young to swim in their old lake and when they do that ,I lash out . it is not that i did not respect their contribution to make Eritrea a country ,infact the independence of Eritrea would not happend if ELF was not there , I actually believe they did not get their respect due to EPLF narrow doors , I believe and still have respect for their sacrifice but do not accuse me of blithling them because of their shooting microphone. May be you are right about my backward mind but i did not see any good idea from the people you admire of forward idea, None . they are all Eshi goytaye habesha lunatics .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            I just learned something from your above reply to me. That is respect. Please allow me to apologize for what I wrote about you above. That is calling you backward and all…

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            I used these tactics when I was 12 years old . Like calling someone “chicken head” to manipulate them into doing what you want them to do. You can not be serious to use it against me now . Now before you expand this thread to other things , I always read Gitsatse comments ,even if it takes minuttes to connect his dots .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Actually, I was not joking. You were very respectful; and I was not joking when I was you to please accept my apology now for calling you names.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas ¨
            As you know ,These days ,it is very hard to accept things at their face value , so it is admitable if i failed you in your elastic hand of apology .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            All I asked you is to accept my apology because I was rude to you (calling you names and know that I usually don’t like to apologize to people:)) . Now take my apology before I change my mind:) That is all.

          • Aron

            hi blink,
            here you go again at the habesha thing, you gag and loose sleep about habesha. Before you choke on it i want you to devise and learn a way how to live with it because it is ever present in Eritrea everywhere you turn. You can not escape from it. It is eritrean as can be.
            Aron

          • Thomas,

            You Lemont. No you are not a mountain to be removed but only a molehill. Kndeyy zeytesegre. AShenaE z Habromayy. Kab ‘mhro s yEmiro knblu AAbeyti Addi… entaymo.

            tSAtSE

          • Thomas

            Hi Tsatse,

            mammothrept

          • Aron,

            “Yo, who you lo?” So it SEEMS to you so? Step up to the plate and tell tSAtSE what he really thinks? They are different.

            tSAtSE

          • Aron

            Hi tsase,
            I read earlier you asking paulos if he was tigrinya or tigrigna. I was asking my self if there was real difference.
            Aron

          • Hello Aron,

            Yes. Actually there is a real difference. Paulos is Tigrigna and tSAtSE is Tigrinya. Notice, on your spell checker, they both pass without mastaweqia or menqesaQesi wereqet. It is called jurisdiction jurisprudentially speaking that is. I hope I made my self clear and henceforth, Aron will step up and state what tSAtSE really thinks.
            Oh, I apologize for asking for su papeles when I said “who you lo?”

            tSAtSE

          • Aron

            Hi tsase,
            No apologies required, i dont understand you most of the time in all languages anyway. I like when you write plain. I dont have to try to decipher and figure a puzzle. You could be a very good source of info when you want us to understand you.
            Aron

          • Aron,

            That is because I know exactly who you are as well as your source. Nevermind about me being a good source, I am more concerned and for you being a better source. I will do my best next time. Thanks.

            tSAtSE

      • Thomas

        Hi Berhe Hawina,

        Just to let you know that you are talking with “tsemam hade derfu”. For this person, black is white, red is blue or green and in short this guy is the opposite of what is true (he lives his life with lies and deception. No matter how hard we try to unlearn his dummy mind, he gets emboldened and more dumpier than he already is and will become more insane. I have decided to leave this guy alone. He is just not worth of my time!!

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Tommy,

          You are right. I was thinking አነ ይገድድ ምሳኻ ዘኹድድ:)

          Berhe

    • Mez

      Dear Nitric,

      It is “too early to call” any politicalimpact by Agazian; one observes no policy profile, of theirs, about any thing yet. Your statement, at least for the time being, seems not a honest one.

      Thanks

      • Nitricc

        Hi Mez: well, I can be right and I can be wrong but dishonest? I don’t think so. There is no telling when an ridiculous idea may materialized. I am sure, if you ask the Ethiopians, when the Eritreans came up with idea of defeating the Ethiopians by force and free the entire Eritrea, including the two ports, I am sure they were laughing their behind-off. the point is, always consider the possibility!!!! no mater how the idea is so crazy!

        • Mez

          Dear Nitric, there is no data to backup the Agazian-thing yet; and then you gave them the status as being the possible real actresses in the Eritrean/Eritrean, and Eritrea/Ethiopia theatres. That is at least not fair–hence the notion “not so honest” of you on this specific one.
          On the war between those north and south of the Mereb River, you are correct. Similar thing also happened to the initiators of the second world War: that war was supposed to be concluded on the streets of Moscow– as an irony of history, it was concluded where it was started, viz, the streets of Berlin.

          Thanks

  • Paulos

    Selamat Good People,

    A good friend of mine who is also Awatista sent me the following brilliant poem titled: መሬት’ዶ ንቐብሪ ወይስ መሰል ንኽብሪ which I think is relevant to the ongoing debate. The poem was first appeared on Asmarino and read or recited I believe by Tes. Enjoy!

    http://asmarino.com/video/3852-2014-08-09-07-23-50

    • Hey Paulos,

      I will read it and am anxious. I am sure it is good! Before reading it though, kinda “nHimito doH Hitto” I would like to answer:
      Dignity!
      Mesel nKhibri in life and in death Meriet nQebri ms Kbri.
      I am wondering after reading the poem if I should go ahead and translate it for lil Bro KndishiH Nitricay?
      Thanks Paulo Denmarkino.
      tSAtSE

      • Paulos

        Tsatse Arkey,

        How do you say stand-up comedy in Tigrinya? You would shine in it. I am still laughing. You’is da’best!

        • Paulos,

          Man I walked in right into that one. “nHimito ndulett..” bit@#!%^^ slapped me. ewe “Enhikhu bHilmeyy khadimm Hadire.” Very powerful! NguseMarch03

          kltiou ‘we tiEdlti FeTTari
          tSAtSE

        • Denmarkino Braten,

          To answer your question, about a Qt of Century ago on the QWE towards TO, en rout to the late Legendary Yemane Barya* I thought of this as how to say best in Tigrigna (BTW are you “Tigrinya” or Tigrigna? it matters you know 🙂 ) “Stand-up comedy:
          Haf Kem Eddy. ewe ‘tta Haff Kem-Eddy-MerfiE. give it a sec. SiQ aytibel seHaQue. Ab siQ zelo Kem-Eddy merfiE mesaQasuQue. (okay, I won’t leave by day job? What day job!!! Day Trader you Dummy Tomi Lemont.)

          * “kiQuitSil zereba
          Haff abilu riEsu
          nsikha wnn
          deHri mball
          nsu keynegereni
          key belle melHasu
          BARYA IKHA….” Neguse [I am willing to bet both SJG and Nitric do not comprehend this part of the poem, just as Manjus-ayayayayay AH would have no clue about “Haff Kem-Eddy merfiE.)

          tSAtSE

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Paulosay,

      Indeed very relevant. Imagine, since when was this argument, and is not settled yet. Very sad and very painful.

      • Antum Manjus-ayay AH,

        Are you ready to settle the matter in a Month time? y/n or you can utilize T/F or 0/1.
        tSAtSE

      • Paulos

        Selam Emma,

        I dare say the poem is the best ever! It has a touch of Magical-Realism if you will where the dream-lane the character threaded on when he particularly conversed with the “King” and the “strange” looking people is absolutely creative. If the tapestry of the poem is actually a verdict foretold for the fierce debate we are having now, it is spot on and Bereket doesn’t have to explain himself anymore.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Paulos,Wow!!

      What a relevant poem ..how did I miss this poem? Now let those who said ” land is priority,,” .

      KS..

  • Selamat iSEM,

    You are simply an idiot and a very dangerous man. On a second thought, you are not a dangerous man. You are in fact a very feeble weak man and greedy man. This are not deserving of any further energy as of now maybe ever other than to be stripped fully naked as the the right hand man to the devil king that is the enemy of the people. It is over dude and time for your likes to go back and crawl under that rock you crawled from. You little maggot!

    tSAtSE

    • iSem

      Hi tsatse:
      I debated whether to reply in lines more vulgar than urs, but then I decided and wanted to be kinder by reason ur time tested insanity

      • iSem,

        Picture me as the insane uttering this “Analyse This!” and get the visual from BillyC, RobertD or MC. And you could shove your kinder heart where the sun don’t shine. Ino Amin?

        tSAtSE

      • sara

        Dear semere
        I dont know why you have this hatred towards sudan.
        The sudan that has been the second home of eritreans and still hosting many without braging about its generousty.
        Allah ysamhek.

        • iSem

          Hi sara:
          Sister, where is the hatred and second let me tell u this about the sudan
          Sudanese, many of the corrupt families and leaders and security agents enriched themselves by stealing the money that the UN and others were sending to the refuges, they also enriched themselves with bribes, last but not least they enriched themselves by getting paid by the Eritrean organ when they were assassinating each other. But in the comment, I was not referring to sudan, I was referring to SA,
          Those are the facts about ur beloved Sudan and as saba says are evidence based

          • sara

            Mr semere,
            I can mention few corrupted families in canada too, but i
            Wonder if you will have the same grudges you show of sudan and leave canada to
            Ethiobia.

          • iSem

            Sara:
            No, you are not telling the truth, u cannot mention few corruted families in Canada that are taking bribes to get u Canadian passport or u cannot mention security official getting money so they can look the other way when u assassinate semere;-)
            No u cannot mention few ministers colluding to still the welfare given to families who are in need.
            And where did I mention Ethiopia? why are u bringing it up

          • sara

            Ya ato semere
            The canada that t’tbahar fe’ha has history of ethinic cleansing,genoside,discrimination and a lot of awfull things in its closet…but that
            Is now partly taken as past history and many like you and me desperate for an easy life of left over of the khowajat keep trashing
            Countries like sudan just becouse of adm corruption.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Semere Arkey,

            Here I think your criticism of Sudan is misplace.

            ንሓና ከድናዮም እምበር ንሳቶም አይመጹናንን፡፡ ዝበሉኻ ግበረሎም ወይ ዓዶም ግደፈሎም፡፡

            እቲ ውርደት፡ ብሰንኪ ሱዳን ወይ ኢትዮጵያ ዘይኮነስ፡ ብሰንኪ አሕዋትና እዩ፡፡ ሱዳን አብ ዓድና ተሰዲዶም ነሮም እንተዝኾኑሲ በዓል እንዳ ህግደፍ እንታይ ኮን ምገበሩ፡፡

            ንዘረባ ዘረባ አምጽኦ እንተኾይኑ፡ ሓቅካ ምዝራብ ይግበአካ እዩ፡፡ ብወገነይ እዚ ኩል ውርደትን፡ ግፍዕን ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ገጢሙዎ ዘሎ፡ ብዘይካ ቁራጽ ሰይጣን ኢሰያስን ሰዓብቱን ካልእ ጸላኢ የብሉን፡፡

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            You are correct, example, it is only Eritrean with a valid visa let say from Sweden and on Eri passport is deterred to fly and forced to pay 200USD because no one advocated on his behalf. Now Eritreans are the most abused people in Africa.
            But I was telling sister sara about how corrupt sudan is even before IA came to Asmara, they have literally enriched themselves with Eritrean blood. As Embaye Melkein wrote to Malta the curse is coming to Sudan now, did you hear now the melisha (Janjewid) who ethnic cleansed the poor Darfur people are now leaving Omer Bashir and allying themselves with the Darfur movements and organizing against the dictator. Sudan will unravel, I having saying that for a long time, but, next is Darfur and then the Beja which includes part of Eritrea,
            Sara thinks I hate Sudanese, tell her all the fond memories I told about

          • Berhe Y

            Dear SA,

            My knowledge of the politics of Sudan is very limited so I don’t dispute your argument. Again the Eritrean people were “abused in Sudan” before IA was, for the exact the same reason. That their government (at the time, Ethiopia) was showering them with bombs and chasing them out of their own country.

            The people (no matter any type of people) will not be respected outside their country if they have no respect in their own. It happens to the Jews in Europe, to the Palestinian people, now Syrian people etc.. and what happened to Eritreans in Sudan is no different.

            People are people no matter where they come from. It’s those countries who have managed to put the “rule of law” that manage to have some sort of normalcy but if that’s absent, as was the case during apartheid in SA, even those learned “White people” are no different. The have bad history during slavery in America and Sara is right, even Canadians in how they treat the aboriginal people.

            Sometime with a little bit of luck, great leaders come to power and change things..and I think the Sudan is such an example that, if with some miracle a great leader emerges, who knows they faith may change.

            I know all the good story you told me about Sudan and I have enjoyed the unique way you make sheHani full and you have all positive things to say.

            The Eritrean government would not even accept their bodies of it’s citizens who died in Lampadusa so, just imagine if the PFDJiet are in charge of refugees from Sudan in Eritrea. 200 US dollars..they would extract their organs as well.

            If we can, those we have the means to approach the Sudanse government and international organization to look after their situation..the same way the ELF did in setting up school in Sudan that gave lots of hopes to many refugees and their future.. and the same way those Eritreans in Ethiopia are doing in collaborating with the Ethiopian government to make the lives of those Eritreans a little bit better and get some opportunity. Dr. BB said, it may be good idea to lobby the EU to direct some funds intended to Eritrea to divert to those refugees in Ethiopia and they can find some employment in the Ethiopian “something park” instead of going to Europe as an example…I think collectively we have failed to be engaged in “ACTION” and rather we spend our days and nights…
            ክንቁዝም.

            The take away from Dr. BB speech was, it’s that we should focus locally and do small things and collectively that will amount to something big…

            Great things are done by a series of small things brought together.
            Vincent Van Gogh

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            If you look at thru that dimension yes. Eritreans like the late Dr. Habte and the Catholic church helped to solve some problems for Eritreans. The Catholic church opened free school from grad 1 to 9 and where they used combination of ELF and English curriculum to teach people and the EPLF only opened to grade 6, after that you have to go vocational school (joining the EPLF military). So Eritreans did good, they could have done better but they were also pulled away by their own politics, the catholic school helped both of us Muslims and Christians for free, they charged the Indians though;-)
            Now Sudan is playing politics and toying with Eri identity, you cannot get citizenship after 50 years living, by UN you cannot be refugee for ever, Sudan knows that and they are giving “probationary” citizenship called “Umudia” to some ethnic Eritreans and denying it to others and listen to this: they even have something lower than probationary , eg they give the Jeberty probationary citizenship under the BeniAmir, so they are second class to the second class, they are doing all this, where do you think this leads
            The abuse as u said is common for someone who does not have homeland, what i am telling Sara is that Sudanes are not as civilized as she thinks in terms of their humanity, it is a nation that cleansed its own Muslim citizens, the Darfur

          • Dear Sara,

            The maggot is blind to these Two families to begin with:
            1. The S. Andom family
            2. Nevsun

            tSAtSE

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    This London speech was a typical speech that could have been given by any Addis-based gray-haired Eritrean opposition leader – nothing new there. It’s just sad to see a YOUNG ambitious promising Eritrean doctor, sacrificing his political career and the life of his YOUTH organization, trying to resuscitate the life of a dying Woyane. The speech was just the same old speech (ethnic and religious politics + Woyane worshiping) which could’ve been given by any of the dead-ended career opposition leaders or by many of our Awate forumers here. What a sad day!!!

    Anyway, to be clear, this is what Dr. Berket Berhane said:

    1. – The problems that are ailing Eritrea are Ghedli era problems that has to do with ethnic and religious problems (which I completely disagree) or in the good doctors words:

    “ኣብ ኤርትራ፡ እቲ መሰረታዊ ሽግር፡ እቲ ኣብ እዋን ገድሊ ዘጋጥም ዝነበረ ሽግር ‘ዩ። ኤርትራ ብኽልተ ህዝቢ: ማለት በስላምን ብክርስትያንን ዝቖመት ‘ያ። እዚ ክልቲኡ ህዝቢ ድማ፡ ተቓድዩ ክኸይድ ዘለዎ ‘ዩ። ነዚ ክልተ ህዝቢ ‘ዚ፡ ብሓደ ተቓዲዩ ከምዝነብር ምንባር ኢና ድማ ስጋብ ሕጂ፡ ክንፈትሖ ዘይካኣልና ዘለና።”

    2. – The biggest hurdle for the Eritrean opposition is Eritrean sovereignty, Eritrean pride, and Eritrean patriotism (gain which I completely disagree) or in the good doctors words:

    “እቲ ዝዓበየ ጸገም ኮይንና ዘሎ (ንተቓወምቲ) ኤርትራዊ ልዑላውነትን፡ ኤርትራዊ ሃገራውነትን፡ እቲ በብእዋኑ ዝሕተት ናይ ዶብ ሕቶን እዩ።”

    3. – I feel saddened and ashamed when I hear Eritreans talking (at this time) about Eritrean territorial integrity, about Eritrean sovereignty, and about Eritrean borders (which again I completely disagree) or in the good doctors exact words:

    “…. እቲ ዘሕዝን፡ ዓበይቲ ኣያታትና ንብሎም፡ እሞ ኣብ ደንበ ተቓውሞ ዓቢ እጃም ነበርክት ኢና ዝብሉ፡ ገና ብዛዕባ ኤርትራዊ ልዕላውነት፡ ብዛዕባ ዶባት ኤርትራ ክዛረቡ ከለዉ፡ ኣነ ከም ኤርትራዊ የሕፍረኒ ‘ዩ። ወዲ-ሰብ መሰሉ ተጋሂሱ እንዳሃለወ፡ ብዛዕባ ባድመ፡ ብዛዕባ ዶብ፡ ኣብዚ ሰዓት ‘ዚ ምዝራብ ኣዝዩ ነውሪ ‘ዩ።”

    4. – “I swear to God, in Eritrea there is prison for six year old children, the oldest being fifteen.” I guess, when you thought you’ve heard it all, there are always more PFDJ crimes that would shock you to the core.

    “ኣብ ቅድሚ ኣምላኽ ‘የ ዝብለኩም ዘለኹ፡ ኣብ ኤርትራ ናይ ደቒ ሹዱሽተ ዓመት ቤት ማእሰርቲ ኣሎ – ዝዓበየ ወዲ 15 ዓመት።”

    5. – To him, there is nothing wrong if the Woyanes invade Eritrea to get rid of the PFDJ regime

    “ፖለቲካዊ መርገጽ ናይ ‘ቲ ኣነ ዘለኹሉ ውድብ (ኣብ ደብረዘይት ዝተመስረተ) እዚ ‘ዩ ነሩ። ኣገባቡ ብዘየገድስ፡ ምስ ከባቢ ዘሎ ሓይልታት ሽርክና ብምፍጣር (ዋላ ምስ ወያነ)፡ ኩሉ ዓይነት ኣገባብ ቃልሰ-ጎነጽ ሓዊስካ፡ ነቲ ስርዓት ምእላዩ ዝብል እዩ።

    I think – few days from today, the good doctor is going to do a lot of explaining regarding his London conference. But he can reiterate, restate, clarify, make corrections, express regrets, apologize…… all he wanted, but for sure, he has lost any credibility he had (if he ever had) after his London speech.

    Doc: good luck with your soon to come corrections, clarifications, apologies…….. from the Woyane-Land.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Semere ,

      I have one point to say to BB, that the problem is older than Gedli era. Gedli just inherited unresolved issues that are still crying for resolution. And until they are resolved we will live with them. Apart from that, he is asolutely right.

      One correction for you: he may have lost credibility in your eyes , we all have lost credibility in the eyes of at least one person. That is as far as probability is concerned.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam SAleh Johar

        “I have one point to say to BB…..”

        I’ve one thing to remind you, I and BB: Don’t worry too much when you’re videotaped making a speech in front of hostile audience. Just be careful when you’re videotaped making a speech in front of few friends and admirers.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Selamat Semere T,

          I knew I shouldn’t have inhaled when the blunt was passed. Take a good look at the eye on top on the pyramid on that Dollar bill. Hmmm how many eyes on that Nakfa Bill?

          While I await my dear brother Ali Salim to get us all out of this “We are experiencing a lull” -DavidLettermn, for entertainment value’s sake?
          Has anyone seen the new Nakfa soon to be replace the old? Oh yeah, No longer Nakfa also. It will either be a Dinnar, Ryal, or Gineh and the coins TaErifa and up.
          Here is the link: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ opps it suppose to be xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lol
          tSAtSE

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Saleh Johar,
        The point (truism) in your first paragraph is, unfortunately, one that large segment of the Eritrean elites do not understand or do not want to understand. The irony is that ordinary (peasant) compatriots understand the issue better. Actually, it is because those elites do not want to understand what the BB, and a few others before him, had understood and raised their voices that they try to shun the precedents the founding fathers have bequeathed with all symbols such as the flag. It is hazardous attempt to trade deceptive and transient advantages for insensitivity to postponed strategic burden that the society will have to carry and resolve sooner or later.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Semere; thank you!!! Amen to that. You said it well!

    • Thomas

      Hi Semere,

      Like you have any credibility left? Minalbat nieshtoy terifatka ente nera k’a hiji abza la’eli hariekaya:)

      • iSem

        Hi Thomas:
        yes, Semere T uses the free speech platform provided to him by awate.com and bestowed to him by USA to deny it to BB.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam iSem

          I’m not trying to deny anyone any of his/her rights. I’m just here to witness political suicide of a young man!

          Semere Tesfai

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Semere Tesfai,
      .
      Your posts are concise and to the point. Your consistent and distilled message is clear, and wrong. (always Woyane the boogie man).
      .
      I have had this, at least theoretical, belief that the current Ethiopian Gov. set up, the TPLFites may have more say in policies. (Even without Meles)
      That leadership given an opportunity may tilt favorably towards Eritrea if they find a working partner across the Mereb River.
      .
      In the coming years as those who favor Eritrea at the expense of (risk to) Ethiopia does diminish and their power diluted to such an extent, the nature of Eth/Eri relationship will be more or less business like. That is of course good for Ethiopia.
      .
      I believe in hindsight these moments will be looked at as the 2nd monumental error committed by the so called nationalists/elites.
      .
      Mr. K. H

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Kim Hanna

        I’m not going to say much now, because it is getting late in my time zone. But to your question, I’ve said this many times and let me repeat it briefly:

        A. – For the Woyanes, it was a strategic political decision to adopt a hostile policy towards Eritrea. And we all admit, it worked – though at the expense of the two people. The proof: the legitimacy they enjoyed ever since the first shot of the 1998 “border” war was fired.

        B. – The Woyanes will never establish good relation with Eritrea when at the helm. Because such relation is an impediment to the ambition of the Amaras and Oromos to get to the helm – which will anger them to revolt against the Woyanes.

        C. – Close Ethio-Eritrean relation happens only with a positive gesture from the West, because all bilateral relations must have the approval of global powers – to make sure there is no harm done to Western interest as a result.

        The point: Whatever the Woyanes have in heart for Eritrea, even if it is good – whatever the Eritrean people have as their government, even if it is as Ethiopia friendly as it could ever be (which I believe PFDJ is the closest (most trusted) partner Ethiopia would ever have) – without all the planets, all the moons, and all the stars lining-up in place, good Ethio-Eritrean relation won’t happen. And the longer it drags-on, the less likely it would be.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Selamat Semere T,

          “C. – Close Ethio-Eritrean relation happens only with a positive gesture from the West, because all bilateral relations must have the approval of global powers – to make sure there is no harm done to Western interest as a result.”

          What makes you think this has not happened? Another high level clearance you have disclosed earlier above is tantamount to the first pen mark of the blue print of the TugTugigni’s*. It is fascinating.
          Dear Semere T, I would prefer you to develop your dialogue only with Mr. Kim Hana who is a very sharp dude, yeah sort of a BeliH Lamma from this EriNationalist ant’s perspective. (….if I were a betting man…..found fountain of youth…….cocoons inside swimming pool…. w/// combat… Tsharp…s..spotter….)

          tSAtSE

          * The TugTugignis are a motorcycle gang, some with ST and others with SS letters on their black leather vests. Yes, the leather is from Agoza collected, by bear foot butt naked children, from the Goduuf of major towns, recycling bins the Munchupies provide and of course the curb/curbless side street piles (especially during holydays.)

          tSAtSE

        • Selam Semere T.,

          You are saying that a) the pfdj is the closest (most trusted) partner ethiopia would ever have, and b) close ethio-eritrean relation won’t happen ever.

          Both assumptions are wrong. No reason to waste time discussing the first. As to the second, it might be true during the lifetime of the pfdj, but not for ever.

          Look, as much as ethiopia is concerned, she has to work diligently for two very important things, internal peace and economic development, because the one brings the other. The rest, especially relation with eritrea is secondary, unless it comes with the wish of the eritrean people, because, it is not going to affect ethiopia in any significant way. Fortunately, ethiopia seems to be in the right direction, even if there are minor problems here and there.

          Eritrea under the pfdj has chosen the lonely way (not envied by any country), that leads to social and economic stagnation, with no visible light on the horizon. Therefore, ethiopia has no reason whatsoever to crave for eritrea’s relation, more than the other way around.

          I almost forgot to tell you that ethiopia does not suffer from the ‘Stockholm syndrome’ to say that her number one enemy is ‘the closest (most trusted) partner she would ever have’.

          • Horizon,

            No truer words have you spoken except the last two lines. I am guessing you are a terrible chess player. You seem to always go for the check but never a check mate. As your Ethiopian bother I am always embarrassed by your performances. Better let Mr. KH set the board for ST.

            tSAtSE

        • Mez

          Dear Semere T,

          1) York stance againest the TPLF is unshakable; that is fine–it is your line of thought.
          2) on the other side, the reason you gave to backup your stance under 1) are one of the three: non existant, outdated, or irrelevant to the subject matter under discussion.

          Whenever a real challenge pops-up, and debate starts–you try to dimiss things like crazy and hedge all your reasons by name calling Ethiopia and Ethiopian.

          Grow up man.

          Thanks

    • sara

      selamat ato semere
      you know some of us at this forum are not proficient in both tigrnya and English and your above
      comment helped clear what the discussion is centered on. thanks

  • ghezaehagos

    Dear Awatistas,

    A Brief Note from Dr. Bereket Berhane (I am posting it on his behalf; essentially informing us he will write on the topic soon.)

    Dear Awatistas,

    At the outset: Greetings from Addis Ababa + Rhus be’al Mesqel for the Coptics among you.

    It has been quite a while (years, in fact) since I visited this discussion forum of my favourite Eritrean website. A dear
    friend (GH) alerted me as to the heated altercation going on, with me and my London speech at the center of the storm.

    And here I am. Hope you will excuse my belated response. I am not as connected as you might think, as I spend most of
    my time rooted in my pathology lab and the little remaining time that I have are taken up by….well, I don’t think I have any further obligation to open up my whole life.

    After going through the long strings of discussions and exchanges – containing the usual and lively mix of the erudite, witty,
    humorous, cynical, frustrated and, yes …toxic remarks, I must say I am not disappointed. Kudos!

    Before proceeding – though I do have the right to hold any view and to express it – I want to state, for the record,
    that my London speech should not be interpreted to mean as a capitulation or defection from my principled, unalterable and firm belief in the inviolability and integrity of Eritrea’s hard fought and won sovereignty. In fact, quite to the contrary: my speech was supposed to have been a sort of a call to save our people and nation before it is too late!

    It was, as someone noted in Tigrigna – written in English (? Saba), borne out of desperation and hopelessness; a last ditch effort to get us off our high horses, out of our comfortable niches, and to step out and look at the harsh reality. It was a humble and frustrated attempt to define the primary facts and realities that flesh and blood Eritreans are facing, and to separate these grim reality from our learned opinions and impressions. It was supposed to nudge us all from our slumber. Needless to say, I have failed in my mission.

    As SAAY said I am a physician and physician first, and I might add there is nothing I would like to do than stick to the
    precepts of my profession; and my “English translated” Tigrigna and the “zooming in and out” you noted in my speech are a reflection of my humble background and modest learning. The complex issue I was trying to tackle (in 30 or so minutes)
    require the rigorous intellectual background, discipline, and focus of a learned elite which, unfortunately, l am not.

    I have always had the highest regard for Eritrea’s learned elites who are mostly (if not all) based in the diaspora. I
    still do! I have also huge expectations that they still have the candor and moral courage to set a timely intellectual agenda with pragmatic, bold and flexible ideas that are fit for the multi-ailments we face as people and as a nation. But, having returned to this forum after an absence of 3-4 years, I cannot help but notice the staleness and remoteness in the virtual atmosphere. A sort of boring routine…

    Something else also comes to my mind. The late Fred Halliday, in his book ‘Political Journeys’, writes about The World’s
    Twelve Worst Ideas:

    Number three:Diasporas have a legitimate role to play in national and international politics
    “The notion that emigrant or diaspora communities have a special insight into the problems of their homeland, or a special moral or political status in regard to them, is wholly unfounded. Emigrant ethnic communities almost always play a negative, backward, at once hysterical and obstructive,role in resolving the conflicts of their countries of origin: Armenian and Turks, Jews and Arbs, various strands of Irish, are all prime examples on the inter-ethnic front…..”

    What about us, Eritreans? I will leave the question for you. But I owe you one full article on my ‘controversial’ London
    speech. I will do that in the coming few days, i.e., if you are gracious enough to accommodate me.

    One more thing: With all due respects, Sal, NO REGRETS AT ALL!

    With humble regards.

    Hawkum- BB

    • Paulos

      Thank you Bereket. Well said!

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam ghezaehagos,
      .
      I appreciate you for making it possible, for those of us who don’t know him, to have a glimpse of what Dr. Bereket Berhane is about.
      I want to express gratitude and admiration for him and people like him who are in the trenches.
      I look forward to reading his comments in the future.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Nitricc

        Hi Kim, you said ” I want to express gratitude and admiration for him and people like him who are in the trenches” what trenches are you talking about? He lives in Addis Abeba. What do you mean by trenches? are you saying what I am thinking you are saying?

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          If you are thinking, I am pretty sure the product is not good.
          Hey buddy, I asked you a news item question on another thread. How come you didn’t answer it?
          .
          The question: what was your take that China and India were firing at each other at their disputed border line. They pulled their soldiers back and went back to talking again. They have been doing this for 70 years.
          .
          Two giants with nuclear weapons, it did not even make the head lines. The 3 billion people on both sides didn’t lose any sleep over it. Any ideas why that is?
          .
          Mr. K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kim, My bad i didn’t respond to your previous post, I thought that was preposterous question. Th
            .e reason is, I have never heard India and china going all out war. I have never heard India and china going to the international court of law to settle their border issue because they failed to resolve their dispute through the art of war. I have never heard, India and china agreeing in to final and binding whatever the outcome of the international court of law. I have never heard India or china refusing to accept what they have agreed on final and binding out come of the court.
            Listen Kim. Border disputes are not new and it happens with many countries in the world. If this border issues was to happen without the bloody war and destruction, I am the first one would have told you, take Badime and get over with it. But after all the human and properties loses, after all the time, energy and effort invested in to the matter, hell no! Eritrea have no choice but to go to the end. so your reference about India and china is not only toothless but apple and orange. Again, If peace and serenity to be on the region, Ethiopia MUST accept the ruling of the border verdict. That is the only way the way out. Don’t get fooled with the likes of Dr. Bereket’s take, they are paid agents who has no regards nor responsibility for what is right and just.
            Do you want peace and mutual cooperation between Eritrea and Ethiopia? then accept the ruling and get out of Eritrean land, no ifs no buts. No amount of Bereket’s will save you from this fact.

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            The news was that chinese and indian soldiers fought for a day, but by throwing stones at each other. I think such a thing really happened in the last crisis.

    • Nitricc

      Greetings Dr. Bereket. you said ” though I do have the right to hold any view and to express it – I want to state, for the record” Absolutely, you do have the right. Similarly, when you said ” you are embarrassed when ever Eritreans mention Badime” We equally have the right to be offended when you dismissed not only for the 20K Eritreans who paid with their lives but conveniently and calculably you ignored the rule of law. The Badime matter went to the court of law and it was decided by the court of law. Instead of for you calling for the implementation of the rule of law, you decided to appease your employer. You had a safe exit, you could have just called for the implementation of the ruling and leave there but, no, you are ashamed when Eritreans asked for what they died and for what the court of law decided for them. Sir, you want out of your way to offend our sense of decency as well as to those lost their lives for the very cause. Shame on you Dr. Bereket.

      • KindiShiH Nitricay,

        When I read your sentences below, lil bro KSN, I tell you frankly “I am embarrased.” Naytom Ayyatatna yAkhlena ente blenas anta manjusay natka “Shum gedede.”

        The Badime matter went to the court of law and it was decided by the court of law. Instead of for you calling for the implementation of the rule of law, you decided to appease your employer.

        All you have to do is read all of Saay7’s papers on what the border issue really is. As for Dr. Berkhet B’s speech in london followed by his comment above, GH shared, lets be patient for his promised article. There is a lot more to be said and discussed on his London speech. If not an A+, I am certainly giving the London Seminar an A. Not because I am in full agreement with his presentation and arguments, on the contrary I am in disagreement circa 80% of the entire proceeding. However, he was bold, candid and spoke his true convictions. The A is for his call of a dire need for Eritreans to undergo a major (non cosmetic) paradigm shift but, I think, his last Two words concluding remarks of “baElikhum keA (te/)absilwo. It is apparent that he as an Eritrean himself is ready to undergo a paradigm shift along with every body. Meaning, better conducive proposals than his touched upon ideas, such as “bejakhumm atSniHulna” to Ethiopians, once he is convinced, seems to me he is humble and malleable enough to adopt as a better alternative.

        This lil bro KSN is called vetting good leaders. No no no don’t worry, A,Afeworki is not necessarily ineligible from a very possible coronation, Don’t tell me Abraham Arkey your preemptive strike is because of this…. I am cognizant of a role as a power broker you have played and continue to play. ….Give a good read to the Docs pending article. Yours truly is gearing up for “an article for an article” with this dude.
        Keep it G homie!

        tSAtSE

        • Nitricc

          Hey Tsatse, there reason I voiced my grievance a head of Dr. Breket’s article is, because I wanted him to address my take. Off course, you will simple minded like Berhe jumping the gun but that is my intention. It is clear, the only way out is the implementation of the border ruling, no ifs no buts. I just couldn’t believe any one will think otherwise. So, what Dr. Bereket doing is, I don’t know if he know this but by telling us to forget Badime, he is emboldening the wayene, prolonging the suffering of the Eritrean people and encouraging the fleeing of the youth form Eritrea. This is the truth!!!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Nitriccay,

            I hope the following statement will defuse some of the tension for now.

            “.. my London speech should not be interpreted to mean as a capitulation or defection from my principled, unalterable and firm belief in the inviolability and integrity of Eritrea’s hard fought and won sovereignty.”

          • Nitricc

            Your Fittness! You are right Dr. Bereket stated that but what the contradiction is if he believed in ” “Eritrea’s hard fought and won sovereignty.” why is he embarrassed when Eritrea asks the sovereignty that Eritrea paid so dearly? Why be embarrassed if Eritrea asks the implementation of the rule of law? Your Fittness, we can’t chew with both sides of our mouth. The question is which one is it? that all I am asking your Fittness!!!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Nitriccay,

            Now that we know that there will be an article, it is better to wait for it and hope it will bring the two sides closer. I wouldn’t take the “it is embarrassing” part too seriously, because he could have used it to overemphasize the importance of “prioritizing” which was his main topic.

          • Olana

            Dear Nitricc
            Chewing with both sides of your mouth is really good for your health because you will have a balanced face (View, attitude), a relaxed stomach (no grudges but love) and a clean mouth (decent, ethical).

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            You’re something! If you didn’t exist, it would’ve been imperative for the rest of us to pray so that you come to life! God bless!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,
            We have two political schools in Eritrea: people focused, and territory focused. To me, it is simple: to hell with a territory that the people cannot enjoy living in, peacefully and under justice. Under justice, the territory deserves all the blood spilled in its protection. What we have now is slaves and masters and it should not be trivialized. BB said everything I countersigned long ago. Damn PFDJ and its destructive influences and mind altering drugs.

          • Paulos

            You’re pushing away the “silent majority” to PFDJ camp 😂.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Abu Salah,

            You are right how we are divided. The problem is when they jumped to blackmail the good doctor as if they are more patriotic than him and as if their hands are extended to help our people in need.

            Regard

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman-H, I think you are wrong on this one. No one is attacking Dr. Bereket, rather questioned. If you are going to have a problem with people who are questioning him then there is no point to talk about it. the point is, it is good we are questioning and securitizing people who showed up in public front. If there were people asking questions about PIA and his decisions, we won’t be where are. And we are determined not to repeat that previous generation committed. You she be pleased people are asking questions and securitizing issues. Let’s learn from the past.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Emma,

            I doubt you don’t know the difference between blackmailing a person and criticising ( and asking for clarification) him on specific points.

            Such comments are by no means helpful, beyond discouraging forumers to engage themselves in serious discussions.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            I agree with Tzigerega below. You are unnecessarily pushing the issue too far. It looks as if you are pushing you prayer of the other day from ናይ ዕለት እንጌራና to ናይ ዕለት ጸላኢና ሃበና.
            Cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ጽገረዳን ሃይልን,

            መጀመርያ ጽጌረዳ ሐብተይ: ንነቄፈታን ንጸለመን ፍልልያቱ አዳዕዲዔ ኢየ ዝፈልጦ እምበር:: ብሐዊኺ አማኑኤል ዝብሎን ዝጽሕፎን ግደይብልኪ ስኽፍ አይበልኪ:: አየኖት ቃላት እዮም ነቀፌታ: አየኖትከ ጸለመ ዝብሉ ሕቶታት ክንአቱ እንተደአ ኮይና ግን ውራይናውን ክንርስዕ ኢና:: እቲ ዘተሓሳስበኒ ዘሎ ግን ክሳዕ ክንዲዚድዩ ናይ ስነቃል ሕጽረት አለዎ ኢልኪ ትአምኒ:: ደሐን ግን መተዓዛዘቢና ይኸውን::

            ሃይላት ሐወይ ካብቶም መስተባህሊ እዩ እንድየ ዝብለካ ነይረ:: ምስቶም መርየት ካብ ህዝቢ ዘቀድሙ ኮይንካ ክትነቅፈኒ ጀሚርካ:: እቲ ነቀፌታ አብ ቦትኡ ዘይምኻኑ ግን ከይተሐሳስበኒ አይተረፈን:: አነ ብጀካ ህግደፍን ስነሓቡን ተደናገጽቱን እንተዘይኮይኖም ካልኦት ጸላእቲ የብለይን አይክህልወንን እውን እዩ:: ስለዚ ንዓድአ ዓገብ ጸላእቲ መባዚሒ አይትበለኒ ሓደራኻ::

            ሰሰናዩ ንዓኹም

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኤማ,
            Anyway, your prayer was not registered:-) ካብ ምስትውዓል ዘዘንግዓኒ ወይ ከኣ ተሪር ቃል ዝጽሓፈኒ ምኽንያት ናትካ ትሪ ቃላት እዩ። ቅር ዝበለካ ትመስልሞ፡ ይቅሬታ እሓትት። ዝኾነኮይኑ እዚ ኣብ ክልተ ጉጅለ ምስራዕ ኣነ ኣይሰማምዓሉንየ። ሓሳበይ ሂበ ምስ ሓሳበይ ዝኸይድ ሓሳብ ደጊፈ። ምስ ሓደ ጉጅለ ኮይነ ንኣኻ ኣብቲ ካልእ ኣይሰራኽኩኻን። I don’t agree with this dichotomy. The discussion started on Paul’s take and later some other issues raised by BB were added after everyone listened his presentation. No one is wacking a mole here.
            I feel like I am being told “silence we are liberating”. Okay I will zip it on this subject. No worries the respect is intact.
            ልዋም ለይቲ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            No one will silence you. You spoke your feeling, I spoke my feeling, and no hard feeling on my side. One thing is true: Eritrean politics is painful, it is costing lives.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Hey Haile, I love your Tigrigna, especially when you carry a conversation with Abrehet Yosef. the Tiggrigna between you two has some pizazz.I enjoy it very much.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Who blackmailed the good doctor? I think you need to stop acting as if you are unofficial policeman for this forum.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam peace,

            There is no policeman in these forum and I am not. If there is need for that, none than the moderators could be.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Except for a few, many of the the rest are closer to that camp. It’s not a push, per se , but a a finger tuck.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitric,

            You are good at telling me that I am “slow” but I think you are “super slow”. You see you didn’t ask anything new that wasn’t asked. The whole point of his response was in response to the question that was asked “Re: Badime / boarder issue”. So I thought I would be nice to you and point it out that, why don’t you wait for him to address the question that was asked already. Why do you go to the tangent and making assumption that, he doesn’t care about the dead hero or that he is making the statement to please his employer etc…etc..

            If you didn’t understood what I wrote in Tigrina, I am going to repeat for you in geez
            ሰብአይን ሰበይቲን ዝተባአስሉ መአዲ ይፍጠረለይ፡ በለት ______ fill the blank.

            Anyway, you are getting more attention than you deserve. I doubt you have any clue what he was talking about in the conference if you have heard the speech, and that you understood anything at all.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; First of all take easy you are no one to tell me I am getting more attention. I don’t need attention, I speak my mind, deal with it. Again, when I call you slow and super slow, I stand behind it. I didn’t call you names or undemanding in any way but I told you the truth. Now, like I have told Tsaste, I know Br. Breket will post his take but I wanted to tell him what I think so I can get my answer in his up coming article. In fact for to translate my strategy in to miss understanding proves his slowness. FACT! So, Next time instead of assuming that I didn’t understand the situation ask! secondly I am not assuming to tell who employs Dr. Bereke; the government of TPLF. he told us that he is lucky enough to work for the government of Ethiopia. now, anther prove your slowness. Again, if Dr. Bereket cared about the dead Eritrean heroes, then he won’t be embarrassed when Eritrea asked for the land she paid dearly. regarding the Tigrigna, sorry I have idea what it means. you said Husband and wife and fill in the blank —- I don’t know lol what does a wife and husband do? lol Berhe get out of it . lol I don’t know, you tell me what is in the blank

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Nitric,
        Why don’t you listen what your “mentor” Saay prescribed for you and leave the doctor to write his article and then ask questions you may have. Tigrinya ayrideakan Eva eyu.

        Sebayin sebeytin ztebeslu meadi yifTereley eyu natka neger.

        Berhe

        • Nitricc

          Hey Berhe, what is to you if I write what hack I want? Do I have to have your slave and inferior mentality? Next time zip it, you don’t tell me what to write and say. mind your own freaking business.
          Regarding what you have written in Tigrina, I don’t know what it means I don’t care and I don’t give a freaking hoot.

        • Thomas

          Hi Berhe,

          Antai emo yegeber mis bi’al nitricc terifa hager:) I think nitricc is oromo. Not that there is anything wrong with being from oromia or ethnic oromo.

          • Paulos

            Tomie,

            That’s funny!

          • Paulos

            Tomie,

            That’s really funny.

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        Do not forget he lives in Addis Abeba and you know what happens to opposition figuer in Ethiopia , kneel down or get arrested , it is simple the doctor must see the mirror and obey . Obey weyane line and diffuse Eritreans . Any one who wanted to speak from Ethiopia must speak by weyane line. This guy thinks he is the one yet he does not care to choose the people over land and he was happy to live in addiss abeba while some people die in Eritrea removing ethiopian invaders , i mean if he has the chance and time , he will do it.

    • Peace!

      Hi all,

      So The London speech was “a sort of a call to save our people and nation before it is too late!,” not a strategy or a roadmap as brother Paulos portrayed it. The extent of emotion in his speech was obvious for people to step back and ask for clarification.

      Thank you Gezaehagos.
      Lesson Learned!

      Peace!

      • Paulos

        Selam Peace,

        Hope you had fun at the concert. ባዕለይ ወጠም’ጠም ኢለ ነገር አምጽኤ. Hope good comes out.

        • Peace!

          Selam Paulos,

          Haha..it was fun ነብስኻ እባ ኣውጺእካያ ክብለካ ሓሲበ ነይረ ግን ኩነታት ኣየፍቀደን …and sorry for that aggressive reply too….hope all is well.

          Peace!

    • saay7

      Selamat Dr BB (c/o Ghezae Hagos):

      First, thanks Ghezae for forwarding the message from Dr Bereket.

      Secondly, thanks Dr Bereket for engaging. I look forward to reading your article which I hope will directly quote what you said and what you meant by it. It’s best to have the writer provide context for what he or she said. I am sure it’s not lost on you that the “term diaspora comes from an ancient Greek word meaning “to scatter about” from “home lad to places across the globe”, which certainly includes Ethiopia. I share the Fred Halliday’s concern about the Diaspora’s role in bringing about positive change as they–out of homesickness, frustration–tend to get radicalized and not even know that they have been. Just yesterday I was following a debate on Facebook on whether Tigrinya-speakers of Eritrea should call themselves “Tegaru”: it is considered normal debate in the Diaspora. I am sure that is a debate that is consuming Eritreans in Eritrea.

      Finally, on a personal note, I am a great admirer of your presentation on that state of healthcare in Eritrea to such an extent that I provided an English translation of it (available upon request: so far I have only been using its excerpt as rebuttal to those who brag endlessly about PFDJs healthcare system.)

      Thanks!

      saay

      • Admiral SaayVIII7,

        First, did you see your see the corvette merkeb? Don’t make me play the barn bull and kubo the tweeting bird.

        Onto the serious matter at hand with Admiral to Admiral protocol recognised:

        ” It’s best to have the writer provide context for what he or she said. I am sure it’s not lost on you that the term diaspora “comes from an ancient Greek word meaning ‘to scatter about’ from homeland to places across the globe”, which certainly includes Ethiopia.”

        The proximity to the border or closer to the trenches advantage, argued by Paulos, I am expecting nothing less than Dr. BB’s high standard as he has done in his presentation on the state of healthcare in Eritrea. This is what we mean by Evidence Base Data. (Now be mindful of my POINT of DEPARTURE a while back when you pasted a tear of a spreadsheet. Meaning you too as all of us will be subject to the test of willing to undergo a paradigm shift per the Doc’s video speech. Also, is the “available upon request” to he and the C/O you addressed?)

        Toggle the current through a transistor or something or NOT.

        Eh tu Olive Oil with Spinach Iron strengthening foodie with an anchor tattooed on both arms, always popping-eyes Sailor Man hating you who takes PRican shower with BRUT.. O.S.– See Crash with Don Cheadle. Yeah, I said Puerto Rican Shower while amidst a Hurricane. AND?

        tSAtSE

        • saay7

          Selamat Tsatse:

          Para 1: I didn’t understand at all.
          Para 2: ok
          Para 3: Thanks for accurate quote
          Para 4: Well, no, sir, I disagree. I hope that’s not what Dr. BB has in mind. My question to Dr BB was: you have said some very controversial statements–supplemented by more mining done by Semere T–could you please help those of us who are shocked by it to understand you better? Especially those of us who are only familiar with a different version of you? If he is going to argue proximity, well, according to Professor Halliday *nobody is closer to Cuba than the exiled Cuban community in Florida and by Mr. Halliday’s reckoning, they are Exhibit 1 in the list of the most destructive Diaspora.
          Para 5: Don’t understand
          Para 6: Definitely don’t understand

          saay

          * By the way, in Professor Halliday’s list of the “The World’s Twelve Worst Ideas” guess which one makes it to number 2? This one: The only thing “they” understand is force.” Oh, yes, Dr. BB has a lot of ‘splaining to do and I can’t wait to read the article.

          • Admiral Ship-VIIII7,

            Yeah, you are as slow as Gentle BerheY. If you “like to think you are very well informed…”, then on Para4 what else can you be expecting? The only information you are lacking has been alluded by your “detached Eritreans who have been gone along long time.” The Doc repeated the implication with the Diaspora as… …. I am hopeful and expecting he will share real information and data that could be useful. I don’t see how you could disagree. We shall see upon the convergence point.

            Para6 Popeye, Oliveoil and Brutus.

            As long as you get your fare share of 12.7%, the remaining 87.3% is for the not so slow readers. By the way, should an Eritrean Referendum be held Today, 12.7% would be TugTugignis and 87.3% for the Big BLUE ErigitSAtSE.

            AmErigitSAtSE
            PS. Hopefully you skipped reading this. This is a non-reply necessary spam.

    • MS

      Selam Dr. BB & gezaehagos
      Thank you guys for the f/u feed. I take the following as the core idea of the doctor, and I expect his f/u article to refresh and elucidate it:
      ” I want to state, for the record,
      that my London speech should not be interpreted to mean as a capitulation or defection from my principled, unalterable and firm belief in the inviolability and integrity of Eritrea’s hard fought and won sovereignty. In fact, quite to the contrary: my speech was supposed to have been a sort of a call to save our people and nation before it is too late!”
      Remember Dr. Berhane, the current heated debates are mostly reactions awatista directed to each other; it is quite a rowdy family. Your response made me to pause and give you the benefit of the doubt. In an era where we are told to take an idea or leave it, you are actually encouraging discussants to be bold and criticize you; you are encouraging discussants to form their own opinion. That’s wonderful, and thank you for your polite demeanor, something we expect from medical doctors, although they often cast this quality off when they engage in political endeavor. So, it is great that deep down in your heart you are still a doctor and not a politician.
      Your statements fueled an already rancorous mood of awatistas who get fired up easily.
      I would love to see how you address the following:
      That PFDJ is capitalizing on the border issue is a nonstarter. But do we have to dismiss that area because PFDJ is using it?
      In short, the debate is among those who say “people first” and those who say “people and territorial integrity,” or national sovereignty first; between those who say people first land later, and those who say that we can stand for both at the same time.
      I will be the first to readjust my conclusions on you based on your follow-up article, because I hope you have got valuable feedback from the discussions.
      Thank you

      • Ismail AA

        Ahlen ustazna Mahmoud,
        ” But do we have to dismiss … the border issue … because PFDJ is using it?” I think this question sounds a bit broader than what the debate is all about. I am yet to read or hear a call that the border issue and all the
        issues it implies should be abandoned because the regime has been abusing it to its selfish ends. Thus, in my view, the question we should ask should be why would we not be creative to quarantine the regime’s bid from infecting the emotional attachment of the people to patriotism and national sovereignty instead of remaining hostages of the worries that any move around the policies of the regime would entrench the loyalty of the silent majority to the regime. I imagine the issue has now become clearer after Dr. BB’s clarification.

        Regards

      • Berhe Y

        Dear MS.

        You wrote:

        “In short, the debate is among those who say “people first” and those who say “people and territorial integrity,” or national sovereignty first; between those who say people first land later, and those who say that we can stand for both at the same time.”

        I don’t think the debate is really on what you framed them, just for simplicity:

        1) people first land later
        2) people and territorial integrity/ national sovereignty first

        It is not as simple as that. What you are not emphasizing is the cost and what’s the reality in the ground. So making argument that has no practical way of implementing is just a waste of time.

        Let me start with your position, people and territorial integrity. I don’t think there is any person in his forum or any Eritrean for that matter would disagree with this position. The real problem is, how do we do that and until that’s done what we do in the mean time.

        The PFDJ position:
        1) We will continue the status quo until weyane leave our land, the boarder is demarcated. This gives the regime the power to suspend all it’s responsibilities and continue to rule the country with it’s whims…so far 14 years since 2003 and it will continue if nothing changes. In the mean time our country is being emptied, our people are hold hostage and the regime continue to rule.

        The question is how do we achieve the demarcation of the boarder in the other party “Ethiopia” refused as it has for the past how many years? How do we do that? Simple

        1) Use force and evict them.
        2) Continue to beg the UN and the US to help.

        Right now both will not work and will not happen.

        1) Eritrea does not have the capability or the military power to evict the Ethiopian army by force. If it has it would have happened long time ago. May be it has, i don’t I can only guess. But if it did then it needs to be prepared to the follow up..I said it’s not possible because the war will NOT end there, the Ethiopians will come back with full force and sooner or later it will be the end of PFDJ and what ever other consequences. You are a military guy, please let me know if there is a military option to the problem.

        2) Pressure Ethiopia via the UN and the US. This would have worked if the peace keeping would still be in the boarder because it was costing the UN MONEY (1 million dollars a day) sooner or later they would have pressured Ethiopia to settle as they did since 2003 until 2008 ( the reason Ethiopia changed many positions, total rejection, acceptance with principle, acceptance with 5 points, fully acceptance) ….Hint: Ethiopia did not change it’s positions since the UN left. The stupid PFDJ gave the UN and Ethiopia a Free EXIT to walk away….

        The question is, what do we do when:
        Our land is being emptied
        Our people are held hostage
        Our people are being held in prison without out due process, our news papas and shut, our journalists disappeared, our economy in shatters
        Our people are dying in the deserts and high seas, and refugees in the streets of Europe

        What do we do, Mahmuday in the mean time….This is the problem that we need to face and we need to find a solution.

        This is where the other group, people first are coming and suggesting..we should save our country, we should save our people first then we talk about the boarder or land or demarcation.

        It’s like when the house is on firewall …the first thing they want to save is lives…are there children, are there elders, are there animals ….Then when they save lives..they focus on putting out the fire to save the house and Nibret. They save PEOPLE and LIVES first.

        It’s easy for us, specially those in Diaspora, even the opposition to the PFDJ, the YPFDJ, the PFDJ and many others who have our children away from the FIRE, and SAFE to claim…let’s save the Nibret and the people inside it.

        We sound like those Jehovah witness when a small children of their went a hospital and the doctors recommend that he needs a blood infusion they refuse because of their religion. The doctors say, the child will die and they refused and that’s when state interfere and give what ever the child needs and save the child.

        That’s what Dr. BB is saying….our children needs to be saved..we have to do what ever that we need to do to save the child.

        The war between North and South Korea started like that 70 years ago and the North claiming land and sovereignty and they continue to do while their people are suffocated.

        IA is just playing with the boarder because it will suite him and he will stay in power for ever and then it will be his children and then it will be his children children. Find and read the speech he gave after the Algiers peace accord. After so many lives are lost, he was ready to forget the 20,000 people who died and said “let’s close this chapter and move on” because his power was threatened at the time when the NA have declared elections will be held in Dec 2001.

        Berhe

        • Paulos

          Well put Berhe! Good job!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Berhe,

          Well said brother. After all we don’t have choices other than that. Save your people, fix your society, then defend the land is the motto now.

        • saay7

          Berhino:

          I like to think I am reasonably informed on the state of Eritrean politics so I am mystified by all this people vs land thing as far as the opposition is concerned. Who, in the opposition movements, is saying “demarcate now, human rights later”? Whether this is judged by articles, posts, demonstrations, radio broadcasts, political programmes, songs or any other metric you want to use: where are these opposition figures who have said land-now-people-later? I think people have created a bumper sticker, fell in love with it, but didn’t bother to ask if it’s even a factor, never mind the determining factor, in the malaise that has crippled the opposition.

          Imagine going to a doctor and he tells you the best thing you can do it to quit smoking and you say I don’t smoke and he insists but yeah the best thing you can do is to quit smoking. Wouldn’t you think he was a quack?

          saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            You got me. Did I said that? Actually your last sentence made me laugh “Wouldn’t you think he was a quack?”. I don’t know and I am with you, I have no idea anyone in the opposition who said that. Did I said that?

            I was just quoting what MS said what the divide was and disagreeing with him that, there is no such divide in the first place.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Gentle Berhe:

            You know the classic American politician stump speech which goes like this:

            “Some people would have you believe that Americas best days are behind her.” Pause for boo. “And I say to you: Americas best days are get to come!” Pause for applause.

            There has been a lot of that going on at this forum except it’s in this form:

            “Some in the opposition would have you believe that it’s all about land. But people come first!”

            When you ask who are the “some in the opposition” it’s all crickets.

            saay

        • MS

          Selam BerheY and IsmailAA
          I’m really busy to give a fitting reply. But dear Ahwat consider the following and then check out you heart, examine it as Dr.Bereket put it if we are not speaking past each other. BerheY time permitted I will revisit your rejoinder because it contains helpful materials to extend the discussion. Anyway, please consider these points:
          1. Ethiopia is occupying a territory ruled in favor of Eritrea. Essentially, it is occupying our land.
          2. PFDJ is surely using the above to explain its oppressive rule and policies.
          3. Some Eritreans oppose Pfdj oppressive rule while also acknowledging point #1. In short, they call for the rule of law as applied to Eritrean people (oppose the self-appointed pfdj). They argue we can stand for the territorial integrity of Eritrea and for the dignity of its people. Any problem here?
          4. Meanwhile, some Eritreans consider the above as appeasing or even supporting pfdj. SAAY and Tzigereda versed the rest rather well.
          5. Take out needed Ethiopian support from the equation. Would we be having this argument?
          6. Now, it is clear the people who are calling for tapering down the sense of nationalism and patriotism are folks who consider Ethiopia’s assistance for the opposition more than the infringement Ethiopia is placing on violating an agreement it had signed. iSem, HaileZ and BerheY expressed your caution on on whathappens regarding border the day after PFDJ. That is sensible. I only direct you to Ethiopia record vis-a-vi Eritrea, start from the feudal era, pass through Minilik to wayane, and there is no bright spot.
          Anyway, I’m out of time. But no one I know except pfdj has said, ” if border is not demarcated pfdj or mot”. No one. But for the mere of acknowledging Ethiopia’s belligerence, and for the mere call of emphasizing Eritreans’ independent course of actions in solving their problems, we are labelled “land first” lots ( not you and not your coinage). We are even told caring for Eritrean territorial integrity is akin to a drug infused to us by pfdj. The other point is that Dr. Bereket’s call is nothing new. It has been in the market, sometimes expressed explicitly.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Mahmuday and all:
            .1. ” Ethiopia is occupying a territory ruled in favor of Eritrea. Essentially, it is occupying our land.”

            I will address the claim from two assumed perspectives. First, I will treat it as if the claim is “totally true”. Let’s say “Ethiopia is occupying Eritrea’s land” right now. Now, you need to tell us which ones but let me assume that you are referring to the parts that are awarded to Eritrea by the EEBC delineation decision, still occupied and administered by Ethiopia, which I believe some of them are in the Badime area, and some others in the Erob/Menekh’soyto parts.
            Say: *Ethiopia says it is not going to hand them over, come what may. What are we going to do? Options:
            Go to the international court and sue them. That is one option. Evict them using force, that is another. Use different diplomatic and security pressures including by deploying hostile provocations to bring them to comply to eventually hand over the lands. That is your other option. Lastly, you can leave the situation as is and differ it to another better time and platform to settle the issue. There i give you all the options exhaustively. As a patriot, you pick which ever is feasible to help us get back the territories.
            The most weird thing is, you are not trying one of these options but demanding of every breathing Eritrean to voice akaki-zeraf about the lands before they consider solving all other urgently pressing existential problems. PFDJ does the same for understandable reasons. You are telling us we should do the same because PFDJ is exploiting it. That is really dubious! PFDJ will never be short of excuses and exploitable situations to continue doing what it is doing now. If it is not the lands, it is something else. USA has never taken any land from Eritrea. And yet, PFDJ has always flagged it as a scary enemy for Eritreans. When it wants, PFDJ can downplay the importance of territory or border. PFDJ will do whatever works for the moment to keep the status quo. If really nothing else, PFDJ can say go to the moon!
            People who seek change in Eritrea shouldn’t be consumed about denying PFDJ of every excuse because they can’t. They should rather be sleepless about denying PFDJ power and existence. The “we can do both” is very deceptive approach. If you think about regaining the lands by hook or crook, you are legitimizing PFDJ’s stay in power. Hence shouldn’t be fighting against PFDJ. You should be fighting for and with them. The longer they stay, the more dangerous situation we will be losing the entire nation sooner than we thought.
            1. ” Ethiopia is occupying a territory ruled in favor of Eritrea. Essentially, it is occupying our land.” Now let’s address the other aspect of this claim. And I say straight up that it is a false and invalid claim. The argument here is “the border is not demarcated and formally transfer of territory had not been effected. not yet. The process was aborted before any settling closure. So, as things stand now, Ethiopia can be initially accused of not allowing the process to come to conclusion but not for land occupation. And then, the process of aborting was more destructively joined by PFDJ itself when it forced out UNMEE and violated the integrity of the TSZ. So, the only truthful claim that can be made as things stand now is: “Based on the decisions of the EEBC, Ethiopia is still in control of some of the lands delineated inside Eritrea”. Ethiopia as well can make the same claim, though “Based on the decisions of the EEBC, Eritrea is still in control of the some of the lands delineated inside Ethiopia” as there are equal or bigger chunks of Eritrean lands awarded to Ethiopia. So, in the same way, Eritrea is occupying a territory ruled in favor of Ethiopia.
            The argument coming from the champions of land patriots is dishonest, weak, untrue and unhelpful at best. Some of them purposefully advance such arguments to face-save and protect the culprit. It is not PFDJ that I am surprised to see exploiting every excuse. It is people like you trying to cow every independent voice to bow down. But I don’t think you have to be a cow to know what milk is. We know what PFDJ looks like.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear ustaz Mahmoud,

            “They argue we can stand for the territorial integrity of Eritrea and for the dignity of its people. Any problem here?”.Speaking on my own behalf (because your response is addressed to Berhe and me), there is no problem in principle as political argument in the context [of] “call for the rule of law”, as you put it. But, unfortunately rule of law apply by and large when level field operation obtains in the working of international law. This works when there exist balance of forces (influence) between disputing parties, and those who have the clout of enforcing the law see the settling of the dispute serve their interest (I am speaking about the UN and international system). If the Ethiopians and us had been operating under conditions in which the balannces of influence and military forces, the powers could have seen it to their advantage to do what would be needed to be done and the border conflict would have been behind us a decade ago.

            So what we are facing is stalemate that is perfectly working to the advantage of the regime and damaging the interest of the nation in every sense. Our nation’s fate and its cause pertaining to the border conflict has been relegated to endless waiting, and neither the genuine patriots who believe the regime should not be challenged on its failure to take back Badume by diplomacy or other means are making process to come up with ways and means that draw a line between the silent majority and the regime, nor those patriots who believe it time to change course and shake up the anachronism (waiting and appealing) that is fossilizing national initiatives could find way to dent the ranks of the mainstream needed to shift the balance to the advantage of aspiration for change.

            Thus, there remains no option save the two patriotic sides breaking the vicious circles and closing ranks on new priorities. For me, doing first priority before the second does not negate the importance of the second. What is need is clear vision of tactics that serve the endgame or strategy

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe & Ismailo,

            Respecting the “mechanism” is equally important with respecting the “verdict”. Didn’t the regime of Eritrea kick out the mechanism that was in place. Where are these hypocrites zipping their mouth from demanding the regime to reinstate the “mechanism”? Do they know there is no implementation without the mechanism in place? Do they know that it is impractical to pressure Ethiopia in order to respect verdict if we remove ourselves (our regime) to the mechanism? The border issue is the hiding tactics to their sympathy on the regime. Instead pressuring the despot to bring back the mechanism which is the prerequisite to the implementation of the verdict, they are calling Ethiopia just to leave the area. The international law does not work that way, and they know it.

            Second, the regime will not change the current stance b/c they know why they are doing it. Ethiopia will not respect the verdict as far as it knows that we have also violated the law equally. Laws are not laws without the mechanism of their implementation.

            Now if they care about our people, Badme is not an issue as far as the current government is still in place. To change the status of Badme, it requires the change of a regime b/c the regime doesn’t care about Badme nor does about our people. The regime already told us we have “virtual demarcation” and that is enough for us, and that is the reason as to why they kick out the mechanism of implementation.

            Third, the international community knows that kicking out the mechanism is a violation of the law in itself.

            Regards

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Ghezae and BB,
      “It was a humble and frustrated
      attempt to define the primary facts and realities that flesh and blood
      Eritreans are facing, and to separate these grim reality from our learned
      opinions and impressions. It was supposed to nudge us all from our slumber”. It
      was precisely that way that some of us have understood your speech. You did not
      fail because political stance based divided reactions do not warrant failure.
      Thank you Ghezae for alerting BB to provide those clarifying paragraphs.

  • MS

    Selam asmerom
    You made me aspirate some of my 3 shot espresso laughing my lungs out. I actually never care about religion or nationality, I care more about positions. One can be Eritrean by birth but may feel more comfortable with feeling belonging to Ethiopia, and the reverse also holds truth. Some are gifted, they walk the minefield with care. Fanti Ghana is an example. He is as Wayanay and Ethiopian as any dude could be, but he is understanding of the complications our discussions entail; he knows the history of the subject matters we care about (Ethio-Eritrean related). So, no I don’t care if she is a Muslim or a Christian. Habesha is also by extension a part of my culture. (Or shall I say, it is some thing I have been acculturated to). I have no problem with it. Like any other decent person, I have a problem when diverse societies of Ethiopia and Eritrea are reduced to Habesha. I have a problem when Habesha is abused for political motives, like simplifying strings of complex historical events that had shaped our region to the all familiar expression of “We are one Habesha people…”. The other contentious area is her favorite subject, which is bashing Eritrea and its revolution, something she does expertly. Other than that, i have no problem. I see her recently more seized with the present. Whatever the case may be, she is indeed the uncontested queen.

  • Selamat ya MuAlimat SJG, Paulos, Haile S. and all…

    I read the first scene. and I see why, kem nay wehayo Hushukhshukh, tSbit “Godot” ab Jeradin Wikepedia bekhlte tSmdi biEray Hrsss keHidereley. Sounds like a Voltair knockoff. There is some more verbosity.
    Yes, I can see from one’s perspective why a story is told that way. No, ain’t no kicking on the chin or the other choice descriptives necessary. Ask yourselves the following question: Where does the confidence for a win-win-win formulae arise from? Well, from the strong belief in knowing for certain Godot has in fact arrived.
    The good news is the Dr. Bereket did call me in the morning after taking what I had prescribed. I like the Doc. Yeah, another Admiral. Thanks to the “Rocket” of North Korea per, per Mr. Filomon Zerrai, The first Merkeb “gift for Egypt” has arrived for The Admiral to navigate. The ship’s number 97. Well Dr, Berekhet, our Admiral for Ship #2 is underconstruction.

    To see ship 97 venture on to my fb. Hey, SaliHG, I have seen your debate with Mr. Filmon Zerrai and your were man handled by him. Yours truly will OBLITERATE YOU. All you have to do is engage OR NOT. This ain’t got nothing to do with opposition to the opposition… I sure do miss Ayya Fareed! Hope he is well.
    I see your Godot and RAIS you with Anodot. Anodot is Anomaly Detection Business Incidents, Real Time…. you know!

    Hey #1 “The Best”, step aside, I am taking SJG to that Triangle Ring… I think he thinks he can dance and want to dance.

    tSAtSE

  • Saba

    Hi Nitrikay, Ismael and others
    May be you should watch his video. He reminds me of the tegadelti during 1991: charismatic, eloquent with tigrigna words(even though translated from English). But like many opposition members, he is rationalizing and intellectualizing certain ideas to the point of discarding them. Any solution or proposal to the Eritrean problem should pass the “Gebar test”, i.e. it should make sense at prima facie to an average Eritrean. For 17 years they said badme and soverignity issue is a secondary issue and the majority of Eritreans aren’t buying it, it doesn’t galvanize the people. One way to define insanity(may be by Einstein) is as “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
    Aqli tsibet solution will not work. Nay Aqli tsibet, after seeing too much loss in Eritrea and abroad he is appeasing to the weyanes.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Saba,

      I agree with you that a breakthrough or shift in a process of any movement happens when more than average of the mainstream target group responds to an aspired common goal. Our case also, the “gebar” notion in your case, cannot be an exception to a general trend. The argument in the context of what is being discussed in this forum is inability to draw a line between the regime’s bid of holding the “gebars'” by hammering on the emotionally vulnerable national issues like Badume and the opposition formulating reasonably practica policies that help the mainstream understand the difference between regime intentions and the pursuit of realization of people’s aspiration for change. What the regime has been doing is sustaining the status quo as perpetual as possible, more specifically as long as the despot lives. Those who think discussing and appraising policies on issues like Badume wittingly or otherwise helping the regime’s bid as long as the situation remains as it is.

      Actually, the regime has succeeded to turn the outstanding issues such as Badume as taboo, and if the opposition would be accused of relegating sovereignity and Badume to secondary status priorities, the other side also remained stuck in failure to come up with alternative plans that the “gebar” could buy and make shift towards rallying for change. In other words, the two sides are simply speaking to one another from the same trenches without either of them moving an inch to middle point of no man’s land in between. They are wasting time in mutual blame game.

      In my view, thus, the stagnant status quo needs some shaking as Dr. Berekhet did. I have read his comment in this sense without doubting his patriotism or zeal for freedom of his people.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Saba, I completely understand what you are saying. And I agree with your take. My problem is, I am terrified to no end any solution, any good thing or any salvation that is offered from any Eritrean that resides in Ethiopia. I don’t trust them, I don’t believe them and I don’t think their motive is what is good for the people of Eritrea. I know I am generalizing but that is what I believe. So, my take over the good Dr. is not personal but out of my personal conviction that nothing good comes from Ethiopia to ward Eritrea!!! The END!

  • Beyan,

    You state:
    ” How to stop the bleeding and the hollowing out of our young from leaving the country ought to be the central tenet of the opposition camp…”

    And Fanti Ghana, quipped only a few days ago something to the effect: “When was the last time the adversaries acknowledge their respective opponent is right? When was the last time the adversaries adapted the more progressive of moving forward for all while retaining their irrevocable demands for a just and peaceful common society?”

    Well, I submit to you Sir. this is the perfect opportune for the opposition, in support of the global anti migration pressures and measures, should invest heavily of creating opportunities of the Eritrean Youth so that not to opt for enslavement and misery in exile. This could start by the opposition openly renouncing the “anti investments in Eritrea”, Sanction, isolate and suffocate Eritrea which, any thinking person, will agree has “encouraged and hollowed out…”
    The way I am seeing it, is that the global agreements trends, (yes, the good the bad and the ugly, temporarily suspended…) necessitates a courageous and significant bold policy shift by the opposition. In this chess match, the opposition camp is in Check. This maneuver, which is not as far fetched from what will inevitably end up happening, will turn the tables put in CHECK MATE the lone party PFDJ Government and supporters. Tilting their king with mutual respect.

    The Wini Win slti to be expounded…. I am reading you carefully henceforth… On 10/1 Orange Hollandia Vs. my 100110th honeymoon with Syracuse Orange on 10/1/95… Catch 22, I think not, our avoiding the:

    Tempest Act 1 Scene 1 opens thusly: A violent storm rages around a small ship at sea. The master of the ship calls for his boatswain to rouse the mariners to action and prevent the ship from being run aground by the tempest.

    On the Dr. BB I hear you Professor Beyan.

    tSAtSE

    • Bayan Negash

      Dear tSAtSE,
      Our way of interacting seems to me more of a tempest in a teapot that Dr. BB was trying to tell us far acute and writ large so large in fact, as you rightly catapulted it into Shakespearean speak: It is more of “…A violent storm rag[ing] around a small ship at sea. The master of the ship calls for his boatswain to rouse the mariners to action and prevent the ship from being run aground by the tempest.” So, what do we instead do, to follow the tempest and the ship metaphor, we are focusing on the fish that might have sipped into the ship along with the “violent storm”. Let us find a way of saving our young darn it even if it comes at the expense of that barren borderland remaining unresolved. It is this misplaced focus from the petty to the tangential issues that time and again puts us off the center to a point of colluding with the very enemy we want to unseat from the helm of power. Isn’t that what the menace at home and his disciples continue to tell us must be done so they continue to stay at the helm of power indefinitely.

      So, the colluding part this time is this endless patriotism from some corners who want to tell us the territorial integrity around Badme is worth hollowing out our young for, so many of whom would become victims of the violently raging sea and many more to the creatures in the seabed. What’s irksome is that some of these paper tiger “patriots” had not even held a gun in the realization of the nation Eritrea. Yet, they want to make us believe that they are more patriotic than, say, Dr. BB, who not only fought to the birth of the nation but continues to fight the good fight by going to the borderland to heal the young from whatever ails them.

      Essentially and unfortunately, that’s what the subject matter has morphed into – whether the man believes in territorial integrity of our country, because of the dogged focus that Dr. BB was trying to have us prioritize and put our political house in order. Sad, indeed!

      Thank you tSAtSE. Keep on keeping on bro!
      BN

      • MerHaba Beyan,

        “So, the colluding part this time is this endless patriotism from some corners who want to tell us the territorial integrity around Badme is worth hollowing out our young for, so many of whom would become victims of the violently raging sea and many more to the creatures in the seabed”

        Indeed Professor. I don’t think a single person has defined his position succinctly and more eloquently. Your response was hidden from me. Hence the belated response.

        I am quite sure you have not over looked my seemingly diametrical stance through my proposal on my first address. We are very much in sink as I suspect, save a few,, the majority of discussants and Eritreans in general. Though you say “this time” with regards to the colluding part, I am opting to hold on addressing it fully after the spark plug, that is Dr. BB’s article, ignites the next stage of evolution.

        And so I will stop from going further for now by assuring you bro! the my “keeping on” obsessively with the data gathering, as it is evident,… well… Suffice it to say for now Professor: Thank you.

        tSAtSE

  • ghezaehagos

    Hello Awatistas,

    Just to get more light on the statements of the Dr., I alerted him to the discussion. Dr. Bereket wrote some sort of commentary as he told me.

    Somehow the disques ate it up; didn’t show up.

    Let’s see if it turned up.
    You/ some might want to know..

    G.

  • Paulos

    Selam Moderator,

    My comments from yesterday disappeared and I am not able to post either. Do you know the reason? Thanks.

    • Paulos,

      I wanted to include these two quotes you might like in my earlier comment to you. It is right along your alley

      For Paulos:

      “The person who wishes to attain human perfection should study logic first, next mathematics, then physics, and, lastly, metaphysics.”
      ― Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed

      For Dr. BB (Take these two tablets and call me in the morning…):

      1) “The physician should not treat the disease but the patient who is suffering from it”
      ― Maimonides

      2) “No disease that can be treated by diet should be treated with any other means.”
      ― Maimonides

      tSAtSE

    • Paulos

      Ok tnx

  • Mez

    Dear Nitric, in a future Real war scenario Eritrea has to defend three nationally important military objects; 1) the central governmentseat Asmara, 2) the defensive military object Sawa/Nakfa, and 3) the outlier Asab.

    The greatest danger of the Eritrean government is if the oposition manages to create an exiled government and install it at #3, Asab. I think this is a possibility–but hopefully, this route of war is closed.

    Thanks

    • Memhirey Mez,

      On need to know basis or FYI or ambibca ‘Hlif, the distribution of more higher level clearances. Empowering more. Those who utilize actuarial trend analysis with a tinge of zaEgooooaaaalllliaaannn analytics, tend to double down and or invest right to score zaa goaaallll.

      Radio kfet… kshafa TTemit. “natna aynhbn zeynatna aynideln” a significant and historic phrase – part of the “kburr wage zkhefelnalu”, I suppose we are emboldening for more fascinating dialogue to be developed.

      The following two quotes are for the perplexed tSAtSE (Perhaps, Memhirey Mez recognizes the value of one or both…)

      1) “Your purpose…should always be to know…the whole that was intended to be known.”
      ― Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed

      2) “In the realm of Nature there is nothing purposeless, trivial, or unnecessary”
      ― Maimonides

      I have the following title in mind: A Guide for the Bamboozled.

      tSAtSE

    • Nitricc

      Hey; Mez; I don’t if you are an Ethiopian or Eritrean, since you takes are balanced and measured, hard to tell what your nationality is. whatever your nationality is. i am sure you agree with me that future wars between Ethiopia and Eritrea not only benefits no one but out right stupid. This is the reason i push so hard for the implementation of the border ruling now, so it can’t become the excuse for future conflict. Once this border thing is settled, I see no reason for this two countries to go to any conflict or war but I see mutual cooperation for greater economic advantage. True, Eritrea will have small, highly trained, well armed and extremely effective armed forces but that it does not mean Eritrea is going around and attacking countries. it is exclusively for self defense. The ASsab thing, well, I don’t think Eritrea has to worry that much. From what we hear, the AUE leased it so, if that the case then the Assab thing is a closed one. As far as i can tell and analyze, all Eritrea has to do is get ready for any eventuality while practicing peace and harmony. if the Ethiopians cross the border come to attack, oh well, let them try.

  • Hi Nitricc,

    Your alternative facts make me laugh. It is as if you live in a parallel universe. I do not have to mention the mid-night call to president Clinton or the airplane that was ready to take dia to a safe destination, most probably to the ksa or one of the gulf states.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Horizon; hahahahahahh are you serious, lol. so PIA was ready to evacuate huh? you guys are the most gullible people ever. For once admit this tiny country, as you love to call her, kicked your butt again and again. If you had won the war why would you go to the court, sunshine?

  • Selam All,

    What is the most important thing eritrea is losing at this very moment? I think, its young – its people.
    Who is supposed to put in danger the sovereignty of the eritrean territory? Of course, ethiopia?

    In the last war, more than 25% of eritrean land was occupied by the ethiopian army, and yet ethiopia vacated the land promptly, respecting eritrea’s sovereignty as it was prior to the war. How badme came into the hands of tplf is a mystery to me, and it was not an issue until it became one.
    For whom is the land, if it is not for its people? Who is going to live on the land if the people are scattered all over the world, have become refugees, and the land becomes empty?
    Why is the people priority number two, and the land priority number one, as long as the first is supposed to be the owner of the second?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Horizon,

      All is in the mind of people,,Nothing was correct so far..I think the best days is still to come..

      KS,,

      • Nitricc

        Hi Kokhob, I disagree, the best days are behind us. let them do their thing and let as do our thing. All they have to do is get out of our land and case closed. What do you mean best days are still to come, they by gonessss.

        • Kokhob Selam

          HI Nitricc,

          “let them do their thing and let as do our thing.” What about you and me? can we clean our house ?

          KS,,

    • blink

      Dear Horizon
      Your own reality is simply gross and you feel proud of it even if it is lies.The no war no peace policy is dead and the new one is love of the people especially your alike the tigrina , how many years are guys ready for this . I am more concrned what will you say when the lies cease to exist. I mean what is left in your imaginary world . Do not you have any thing to say to the dead ethiopians because as you spend your typing work in this forum some one in Ethiopia is being shot by machine guns , say some thing to your own people , we will deal with disillusioned people like the doctor.

      • Teodros Alem

        I think you need to understand how horizon and his like think , they see ethiopia as a collection of nations and nationalities(people’s) . Outside of his own nation(people) is not his people so for him and his likes the suffering of others national in ethiopia is the same like the suffering of people in argentina.

        • Peace!

          Hi Teodros,

          Thank you, you got it!! And the ironic is when they act as if they care more for Eritrean people than their fellow Ethiopians. Perhaps now they know more about Eritrean government and Eritreans more than their own… well, now the no longer insouciance applies given what’s unfolding….

          Peace!

          • Selamat Selam,

            “…well, now the no longer insouciance applies given what’s unfolding.. ”
            no longer insouciance! insouciance! insouciance! Indeed.

            What then now should apply? Respond before tSAtSE reverts back to a mathematics anecdote… It goes something like, First Vs. One Tenth, Second Vs Two Tenth / Fifth, Third Vs. Three tenth.. Fourth Vs. Four Tenth / quarter, …..Fifth in line/ranking Vs. End of First Half / 5 from Top Ten Alla David Letterman… Leading to PRIORITIZATION. I Believe Professor B.A. is or setting 10/1 BaHgi ‘loni Stage. The reciprocal obviously the fraction First Tenth, though 10/1[/17] is a date with The Orange.

            The above kind of absurdities… well, I can live with.

            AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40 A40
            [Note to self: 010110th equivalent in Base Ten significance… Overlooking the Syracuse Orange Dome en rout to The Great Danes U.of Albany on a The Greyhound Bus Depot…..10/1 010110 yrs ago….]

        • Hello T.A.,

          Essentially defining Centralised Ethnic Federalism, the basis of Historic Ethiopian Nationalism. And there are plenty of Teachers Assistants, T.A,, than can and should define the value A) Eritrean Historical Nationalism, B) Centralised (is it or Unitary) Decentralised Federalism State of Eritrea and C) Incremental Gains. These Teachers Assistants also have the same acronym T.A., as I call them “The Admirals.” They can now commence the Navigating of Merkena Erirea AlitiHad.

          I am cognizant of the dynamics affected by economics of marginal returns which is naturally a wide door inexplicably (NOT) shied away from (NOT) for the official dialogues as well as the non official dialogue recent phenomena every alley ways doors, backdoors and cracked windows of the very porous borders per the Final and Binding EEBC arbitration.

          Well, would you folks settle for a data of the inductive kind. Please, do not bluf with “speculative.”

          Algorithm prelude until the next recitation T.A.’s oppend office door hour.

          “Good Night and Good Luck.” E.R.M

          tSAtSE

      • Teodros Alem

        Sorry forget to say hi. Hey

    • Horizon,

      No, there are global forces agreements redirecting that. Some of the data that was decided upon to be fed piecemeal and or through drip irrigation.
      Boys and girls of Sesame Street: Can you spell Collusion?

      I beg your pardon with this this stir craze quotes of mine, but I feel this is fitting for you Bro. Horizon:

      “Commune with your own heart on your bed and be still.”
      ― Maimonides

      tSAtSE

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Saay, Mahmuday…etal,

    I am an addict of CSPN. Last night, I was watching a panel discussions of scholars. In the debate, I heard from one Jew panelists saying that Jews have more than Ten Commandments they follow in their religious ritual. One of them says “fix the world.” Then I said aha, this commandment has some implied message to the topic we are discussing and more to the message of Dr. Bereket Berhane.

    Dr. Bereket’ in his message told us to go to our divided communities where we are living to solve the problem before even we try to have big conferences in Addis or elsewhere. In other words the good doctor told us to fix our society before we fix our land.

    Our societies in the diasporas are divided along religious, regional, and ethnic cleaveges. They don’t have in common except the land “Eritrea”. That is the only thread that holds us together. Therefore, let us save our people and fix our society before we fix our land. At this crucial time where the fibric of our society is completely damaged, Badme is not an issue of priorities. Let us save our people pls and heed the call of the good doctor.

    Regard

    • Nitricc

      Hi Aman-H; you are very stubborn person to admit or even to learn but it is ironic you mention the Jew. The Jew didn’t came together as a people till they got their land, before that they weren’t even treated as a humans over the world. So, you foolish argument that people come before land is simply stupid. You can’t have a nation, a culture or a community with land. refer to Jew history.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Hi Nitriccay,

        Just put it down!!! ” So, you foolish argument that people come before land is simply stupid”

        KS..

        • Nitricc

          Hi Kokhob, if people come before land then why people die to get their land? think. people come and go but land stays to make the people as a people. think.

          • Thomas

            Hey Nitricc,

            People don’t actually die to get the land, but to get the resources of the land. The resources is to be used by the people. If you take people out of the equation, the land is simply a no mans land. Unless the youth are kept in their country (Eritrea in this case), the land is up for graps

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas, so in anyway the land comes before the people, right?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hey Nitricc

            Big no..No Nitricc. Just think on this.. Just put it down ..You will not win on this one,,That is the reason we want to have free mind open to what is..

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            HI Kokhob, you can not avoid the facts and choose convince, if the people came first then people will never sacrifice their life for the land. point blank, Israel become as a nation and people after they got their land. the end!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Nitricc,

            who said to you ? During our national struggle it was the same ..3o years struggle long time deep night..Now it is over that Is over and now think of regional unity –We the people of Horn only one problem that Is poverty..end!

            KS,,

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Let make it simple for you because I understand. When the owners of the land are gone for good, the presence of the land is nothing. The Sudanese can move in to take the into the lowland of Eritrea & no Eritreans around to stop the & the Ethiopian will move to highland & the lowlands no Eritreans will be there to stop them, the djouptians will move to Dankalia no Eritrean will be there to stop them & anyone can invade Eritrea without her people around. Really???

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Nitrickay,

        Leaving aside your name calling, can we defend the country without fixing the social cleavages I mentioned within our society, and without stopping the massive push out of your generation from the country?

        • Nitricc

          Hey Aman-H just you know I will never call a name. Sure, I disagree and criticize and observe but never call you a name, Never! Is Aman-H stubborn? absolutely! is that calling a name? NO! If I have to bet, I will bet 99% Eritreans are stubborn. So here you have it.
          Now, I understand where you coming from, for many reasons, the youth id fleeing the nation and I can understand your concern a nation with out its youth. I get it. I also guaranteed you that the trend will change shortly and the situation will be in the reversed completely. you are going to see repatriation never like before. That where the land comes a matter of life and death. It happened to china and it happened to many other countries.

    • Peace!

      Hi Emma,

      I appreciate your passion and sense of urgency. My question is how if one undermines what we have in common? He himself dismissed the tone of reconciliation emerged from the audience as immoral.

      Peace!

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All

    Be relax !!!! join me Jebena page … I have new poem…I note hot debate is going on and you need to breath now.

    …ማንዴላ ኣብ ሰላም ዕረፍ:…

    ዓለምና ሎሚ ዓቢ ሰብ ኣፋንያ:-
    ኣምሪራ ሓዚና ካብ ልባ በኽያ:
    ካብ ኢሮፓ በሉ ካብ ኣውስትራልያ:-
    ቅንጣብ መሬት የላን ሓዘን ዘይለኸያ:

    KS,,

  • Forum,

    I am not quite sure why I am posting these quotes. Just indicating following the absurdities.

    “The more I read, the more I acquire, the more certain I am that I know nothing.”
    ― Voltaire

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
    ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire

    “Love truth, but pardon error.”
    ― Voltaire

    “I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it.”

    (Letter to Étienne Noël Damilaville, May 16, 1767)”
    ― Voltaire

    “Common sense is not so common.”
    ― Voltaire, A Pocket Philosophical Dictionary

    “Love truth, but pardon error.”
    ― Voltaire

    tSAtSE

  • iSem

    Evidence Based Politics Ah?
    Hi All:
    Although I used Saba’s coinage for this comment, this is “nayjummula” answer to Sal and others who are dismayed by What Dr. Bereket Berhane (BB) had said:

    It is all a matter of context, BB never said to disown the sovereignty issue, he never said border is not important. Anyone who finds his assertion to not fall for PFDJ trying to isolate the people by making being in Ethiopia “haram” for the opp and kosher for them, or by creating enemies in Sudan and in Yemen and in Djubuti and then making it haram if we go there and open office—BB was tackling anage old problem in the opp and by opp I mean everyone who has run away from the country and of course the traditional and civic society centric opp are include.
    One of the reasons that our gun and military trained youngsters are becoming victims of the untrained Raishaids is because they through their guns before they cross the border, because they believe that it is a sin to take the guns of the martyrs, a myth and fallacy that this sovereingty thing has seared in their minds. And because of that 200 strapping and youthful men get herded by one kidnapper. This falls at the heart of the fallacies of that our dead heroes will be mad at us, did not they die us to live and be sovereign,sovereign from kidanaping, owner of our kidenies?
    And there is this urge to ridicule the idea of people first, I am surprised what ever happed to the due care of those who are responsible.
    BB even used a business phrase, popularized by the likes of the late Stephen Covey, Paradigm Shift, but it did not help
    But to be fair to Sal, his challenge to give one example of the opp making Badme and border and soverigy their central policy is spot on. But the point that BB and some of us are making is not about their policy, rather about the salient belief system that is holding us hostage, like leaving our guns to spare our life from kidnapers, the notion that we worry about the sovereignty of the country while Eri has been sovereign already, while the human is being enslaved, the debilitating fear that we will some how lose our sovereignty if we act in certain ways: all these are things that ailed the opposition to IA clique from Tekli* to the 1993 tegadelti disobiedence to the G-15 to Bitweded to Forto.

    BB also correctly said all what ailed the failed youth movements are the same impediments of the ghedli
    Now Saba is right we need evidence based politics, but all the suffering that disgusted BB is evidence based he did not conjure it up. Since Sheba used medical analogy, let me take it to the next level and say this: also in medicine when a drug is approved after going thru animal, all the three clinical trials for safety and efficacy, the drug is followed in a long term basis and if sever sides effects are observed the drug is pulled from the pharmacies and assessed and its interaction with food and drugs is analised. So now pull the dumb border and real-estate obsession from the mind, Eriteans already have the “librrreto” to Eritrea

    The sovereignty and border issues are hoaxes and smart ppl are falling for it.
    Their logic seems to go like this: the fertile land of Eritrea will produce people and our society will be replenished in no time but God or geology cannot not create land/real estate any more so let us protect our border, our House of Gebresslaise in Badme and guns of our dead heroes
    As PFDJ ups the ante in the suffering, as sober minded ppl speak against the taboo the real-estate mentality will die just like no one now thinks it is taboo to have offices in Ethiopia
    Tekli* this is only MaHmuday:)

    • saay7

      Selamat iSem:

      If you don’t mind, can you answer me these questions:

      1. Who are these opposition leaders who have prioritized Badme, demarcation to the detriment of the people? Never mind opposition leaders: who are the opposition members? You can use as low a common denominator as you like: some guy you met at Starbucks, somebody you heard at Paltalk, some guy writing at disqus at any of Eritrean oppo website. Anything?

      2. What is the nature of the relationship between the Ethiopian gov and Eritrean opposition leader/member that would make the latter in a position to make pre-conditions? Is it not that between a favor-granter and a favor-seeker, right now?

      3. Is the only reason that one can demand that Ethiopia abide by the ruling that the person is a victim of PFDJ propaganda? Could, say, one of them be that this may deny Isaias one more tool from his toolbox of holding Eritreans hostage? Could, say, one of them be that as long as Ethiopian gov doesn’t do that it cannot be a trustworthy partner in anything because who would made any deals with a party that is prone to breaking its word?

      4. Bonus question: Ethiopia has for the 4th straight year in a row proposed yet another policy towards Eritrea. Can an Eritrean opposition member conclude that these guys have no clue and are not in a position to give counsel?

      saay

      • iSem

        1.Did your read this part of my comment: “But to be fair to Sal, his challenge to give one example of the opp making Badme and border and sovereign their central policy is spot on

        But since you want the lowest commonality possible. I am sure there are some in Paltak, but I do not listen to Paltak the one I listened to was Foro12 and one from YG, the latest. You mean Tim Hortons, I am a patriot so I do not go to Starbucks, I believe that Canada needs to defend its coffee territory:-)
        I was making the point about the general belief systems that deter us to take whatever is necessary to remove PFDJ. You wanted silly examples here you go: females and male friends and acquaintances , from all 10 ethnic groups (except Kunama, nara and Rashaida), I never talked to these three and their ages were between 25 and 60, some from urban, some from villages, some have lost loved one in both wars and some lost nothing, and some were amiches,:who were tortured and enslaved or some how victimized by PFDJ say that and believe that we have to guarantee our territorial integrity first, I am sure you most likely know pp like that too
        2. Rephrase. the guys in Timhortons are on strike and I di don’t have coffee yet, so am slow, damn socialist:-)
        3. Not necessarily a victim of PFDJ propaganda, but they are buying into it. I cannot say more because you covered it by “rightly or wrongly”
        But it is silly to think IA will be denied a tool, he will replace that tool he actually preemtted it by creating the slavery project and sending underage kids to the Saw planation when thought the bordered was done and the war has ended. One of the guys in BB’s talk said that there are prions in Eritrea where 6 year olds are kept, I am not sure about 6 years old, but I can tell u that there are prisons for 13 years olds, Fact!! please do not ask for video evidence

        4. No, they cannot conclude that, Ethiopia and TPLF as its core do have a clue about Eritrea, whatever they are doing, they know what they are doing, it is the opposition who have no clue about how Ethiopia function. I do not trust the TPLF, and the opposition should not too, but I admire them and they should admire them and emulate them if they can, they started like us and delivered at least for some of their ppl and here were, are we cannot even agree on whether the himeret tree in Hmeret Kolboy needs urgent protection and salvation or the 13 years kids and the thousands in PFDJ dungeons. The himeret tree is the happiest it has ever been—proud for its tenacity for withering the bombing like Wedi Tukul said of mount Denden;-)

        • saay7

          Seni myam Wad Abuye Andom:

          1. Reqm WaHd: thank you, sir, but since that is the entire premise of Dr. B–that opposition leaders whom he calls “ayatat” and respects–have been so mired in this nationalism thing that they have gotten the opposition stuck, isn’t the natural reaction “say what?”

          2. Every time I hear that name Horton I am reminded of an elphant who hears who. Damn Dr. Seuss.

          3. I know you are allergic to this but let’s for a moment pause and consider the law of averages: that change is most likely to come from within PFDJ and that a certain percentage of PFDJ/EDF actually believe that they can’t make demands unless the issue of demarcation is removed. Are they buying into Isaias/PFDJ propaganda or recent history which showed them that that is a very potent get-into-jail-card Isaias has used?
          4. You have used so many strawmen in that argument that you have exceeded your quota for a year:) Which people (person) is more concerned about a tree than a person?

          saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            I found BB to be measured and he was way, way far from YG and he even was so disgussed to honor the Agagaazine by their name. Amanuel Assenna asked him, why are these ideals negative? and he never said and also I do not believe myself that the beginnings of Eri’s struggle for independence was a mistake, I just do not justify the process, it did not have to be that, but I am fatigued from that debate now.
            And he did not say that the official policy of the opp is Badmen, he was talking, I believe about the general issues that under pin our thinking to about not isolating PFDJ from Eritrea and you are perfectly aware of that, i do not understand your recent dejavu reaction who /he/when 🙂

            Well, I never demand from those some good men and women in the PFDJ to take risks, after all we have let them down, in 17 years, no one came to the rescue of those in Ela Erro, while during gilded days of Eritrea, Eritereans did it under the nose of the enemy, but again, I have said these things again and again.
            But the whole point is those who are in position to bring the change, are also in position to know their safety and learn from history of those before them and not be blinded by something that is so immutable: the sovereign land of Eritea
            About the straw man argument, exactly, but the mention of himert in Himert Kolbuy instead of Daero or Momona was deliberate, ha:-)

          • saay7

            ISem:

            I like Dr B. A lot. I am saying he misspoke. Anything else I say would be redundant

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            I do not doubt that, because I know and I remember you said, I have never met an opposition member that I do not like, even YG”:-)
            anything else I say will be annoying;-)

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY, i started to listen to his takes and once he said that he is “lucky enough to work in Addis Abeba” I stopped. What this lost soul failed to know is, the Ethiopian doctors are fleeing doves for a better living and challenging themselves to different opportunity. Most west African countries are flooded with Ethiopian doctors. From Botswana to Senegal to South Africa and all the way to the USA! yet, this creature he is not only happy to work in Addis Abeba but he is lucky. what a dush!
            I have no respect sorry! I am lucky to work in Ethiopia? Is he forgetting that he is MD at the expense of Eritrean people but he is lucky enough to serve the Ethiopians? at least fly higher.

          • saay7

            Nitrric:

            I am sorry you feel that way. Dr Bereket is actually an amazing guy who’s usually argues with data and metrics. I urge you to find a video of an audio presentation he made at Paltalk regarding the state of healthcare in Eritrea. It’s chokeful of statistics, names, figures. Go to YouTube right now and search “Dr Bereket Berhane Seminar – Part 1 Tigrinya”. It will be worth every minute of hour time. His Tigrinya is beautiful (reminds me of Seyoum Harestay) and he is unexcitable and lets the facts narrate the story. An eye opener: you will not regret it.

            saay

          • Thomas

            Hey Saay,

            Ata saay hewina, ait’hazelei ember esi’kan tsigeredan ember se’tet alatum. Ait’hazuley, ri’etoi rieito gebar e’u:) Dahrey ki’ani teshenduhu abey keitibets’hu elkumuna. G’na ki’a hakikum ekum mkniyatu kub’negerkum yibza hanti gegakum. We know you guys are great. Our dream is the same and that is to save the Eritrean people. That is all it matters.

    • MS

      Selam Semere A
      Enda Hadere eyu zged’d mesleni ezi Hmamkum!!
      1. They are leaving their guns behind because they are a level higher than the average mind. They know what armed conflict means, they were through it. They won’t direct their guns against their brothers, sisters and their parents. And they don’t want to become cannon fodders of instigators who will not be on their side, and for a process they have not be included in. And they will say “ab kuinat zeywe’Ale ybeleh”. Eneho feres eneho golgol; I think we talked about this “Hamot yeblom” blame many times in the past. From among the few difficult choices, available to them, they are taking the rational one. Many people took that route including you. Please don’t blame meleheyka Mahmuday, because I left Eritrea when everything was going smooth. And there was a promise from wedi-Afom that Eritrea would continue building institutional capacities including ceir onstitutional governance.
      2. The second point is related to your medical analogy. Now, let’s flip that and see how this plays out in your imagination: many participants of this forum will know this better than me, but it gores something like this: Drs prescribe antibiotics for infections, We all know that. Ntiricka y will tell you- now that he has grown his neuronal network fully- that antibiotics work primarily on the membranes and the DNA of the bacteria. Some antibiotics demolish the cell membrane of the bacteria, others mess its DNA so that there is no reproduction which signals a death sentence for the colony. Now, the cell membrane of the bacteria (which determines the unitary existence of the organism) could be likened to borders that delineate a sovereign country. Dismantle or undermine that border and there is no way of talking about a specific people that populate a defined space called country or nation. The second step would be messing with the social fabric of Eritrean society by designing divisive agendas (highlands/lowlands; Christians/Muslims; pitting Eritrean social groups against each other by stirring religious, ethnic, and regional issues, etc. Related to this would be assaulting Eritrean patriotism and undermining Eritrean viability as a sovereign state. Doing so would be messing Eritrean DNA. I know I’m not blaming you for all the above; I’m also not blaming Dr.Bereket for all of the above. But at the end it boils down to the quintessential Eritrean divide: those who are willing to barter territorial integrity of Eritrea and its independence for the price of removing IA; and those who believe we can be patriotic as well as justice fighters at the same time. In a nutshell: it is between those who have given up on their people and are ready to bend for Wayane beyond recognition, and those who believe in the potential of their people. The first group believe change could only come if Ethiopia could increase its support. So, they are willing to become echo chambers of Ethiopian policies towards Eritrea. The second group is very sensitive about blunders the first group does, because every blunder the first group is a setback for the advent of change. Is my Hateta too long? i think so. Will continue as needed.
      Welcome Semere Andom. Here is the difference between you and my dear friend EMMA, you like to be challenged, you expect people will have different views, you can pick humor and friendly cues from among hellish criticism. My friend Emma does not. Occasionally though he turns funny when he says “I know you, you PFDJites; xnaH Traay…”. By the way I have just returned from a wedding of a girl we saw growing, a daughter of dear friends; and in due course I memorized some Evangelical “mezmurs” and dances. It was beautiful and energizing. May we have peace, at least once a while.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear MS,

        I don’t know if you listened to Dr. Berket or not but I don’t think the Eritrean divide is as you put it:

        “I know I’m not blaming you for all the above; I’m also not blaming Dr.Bereket for all of the above. But at the end it boils down to the quintessential Eritrean divide: those who are willing to barter territorial integrity of Eritrea and its independence for the price of removing IA; and those who believe we can be patriotic as well as justice fighters at the same time.”

        I don’t think we should worry too much, if there any Eritrean “who are willing to barter our territorial integrity for the price of removing IA”. I think his comments were to do with prioritizing our struggle instead of framing our struggle based on what the regime has set for us, that is to focus on boarder, badime, our sovereignty etc..while the regime is the source of it all.

        Berhe

      • Nitricc

        Greetings Mahmuday; I hear you my man. What I don’t get is this. the land dispute with Ethiopia is not just verbal and simple skirmish. The people of Eritrea paid 20+K their beloved children. for any one to say ignore the border or the land issue can only be TPLF agents are sell out Eritreans the likes of Dr Bereket. Unless someone is desperate and stupid, who would listen to a person from Addis telling Eritreans to dismissed the land issue where 20 thousands lives paid for? the Doctor is saying the same thing what TPLF are preaching, what they are saying is forget about Badime and concentrate on removing PIA, now what the so called Dr is telling us is the same. when he gets paid then he must deliver.

        • MS

          Ahlan nitrickay
          They think the war was between IA and Ethiopia; if the border gets demarcated according to the EEBC ruling and the flashpoint (Bademe) returns to Eritrea, they think it would be a reward for IA. It is sad how they have personalized and trivialized an issue that consumed about 100,000 souls. Dr. Bereket Berhane asked, “Do we, the villagers along the disputed border, have to abide by what the Hague ruled?” Well, because we could not do it peacefully, after wasting about 100,000 lives, both countries went to the Hague. He was repeating that we should re-examine how the war had started; and also to look into the five points-plan that Meles Came up, etc. So, my friend, it is all clear. The individuals who are spending their precious time on re-brushing the doctor’s loud and clear proposal should be as bold as Dr.Berekrt was and tell us that sovereignty and the talk of boundaries are not contemporary. I like Hayat Adem because she will tell you as it is. Hilksks yeblan, wayaneyti Habtey. It is all about interest my friend. for some, the support they get or expect from Ethiopia is more important than the rule of law as applied to the implementation of the EEBC ruling.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            You know what: the good thing is there is nothing you can do to determine my geography while i can (just like u) drop one and pick another if i want to… the bad thing is while pretentiously you are sleepless about Badime ,you have no qualms in throwing your sister away over the fence just because she disagrees with you.
            IA told us that he doesn’t care about sending a citizen to the moon should she disagree with him politically. Thanks God, yours is a fence away! netsela mendeq..sigir bietna! In that case, you are an improvement over him that yours doesn’t go as far away as the moon.

          • MS

            Marhaba Hayat
            “netsela mendeq…sigr bietna”, I like that. If it were weekend, I would invite you to Osman Abdurahim’s sigr bietna; you may know it as sami Berhane’s. I have been living in the USA for the last 20+ years, but believe me, I have not deviated from my belief that these two people really need peace. You say peace could be achieved by circumventing Eritrea’s legitimate claim; I say that actually lead us to more wars and misery. A legal ruling is legal. You tinker with it and it collapses. The geography point is minor. There are Ethiopians who feel more Eritreans and there are Eritreans who feel more Ethiopians. No need of explanation. Readers know us through our inputs. It is all about the heart and not about physical location. There are people who feel comfortable about Eritrea and there are those who feel as if they are living in suspension and limbo. How do I know it? They provide it for me in their writings. I think that should be enough. But I don’t hate you, and I would never send you to the moon, even if dear leader Kim Jong Un provides me with the rocket.
            Lastly, it is not about Bdme. It is about setting a precedent. We get twisted now, we will end up getting twisted for ever until the essence of independent Eritrea is lost. Eritreans did not pay all that prohibitive price to end up pushed around by anyone who feels they have the time and resource to do so.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            Certain things are easier than you think. No matter what you think I think and believe from what I write here, you can’t assign me geography. It is a matter left to the person. Get this one into your Sahilean head and don’t say it again. You have no business in listing people into imagined baskets., deplorable or not. That was how you get into trouble the other day and you ended up apologizing snd emptying out your ElfEplfTplf baskets. That is one. The other is 90% of what I write here has nothing to do with Ethiopia. But your mind thinks Ethiopia and Eritrea are locked at default configuration of zero-sum. That same mind of yours thinks the show of love for Eri must be expressed through endless cursing Eth. That is why you think people who don’t incessantly shower words of hate on Ethiopia must feel more Ethiopian than Eritrean.
            But thanks for not hating ne and allowing me to stay around. And pkease come back for in the weekend with Abrar.

    • Haile Zeru

      Hi Semere A.

      I agree with you 100%. Those escape to Sudan should have kept their guns, to bring down any bandit that will trade on their kidney. And Eventually hand over their guns to the Sudanis army.
      It is despicable to escape Higdef and fall in the hands of these human trafickers. Even if few of them had done something that could shake the core of these scum of the earth, they wouldn’t have dared touch another unarmed person. The opposition failure shows even here. Informing thru whatever means those who run away to hold on their guns till they get to Sudanese police or military post.
      On the other side negotiate with the Sudanese that those persons do not mean any harm to them. Of course there will be spoilers.
      I know the leader of ELF tried to talk to the Rashaida Elders but that did not bear any fruits. After that talk we heard many abductions.
      PFDJ is doing everything to make our lives as miserable as possible we do not need to make them our spritual guidance. I think number one must be your own safety and not being a martir.

      • Haile Zeru,

        “If Dr. Bereket or anyone else is advocating any other way of dealing with PFDJ it is worth listening.
        An opposition that wastes its time criticising another opposition is more unique to Eritrea.”

        Hog wash! No one said we aren’t listening. I admit, I personally have saved it under “watch later” on my youtube channel. And I will listen to the Dr. However siniE niE, mniEniE abilka nay HatSir gizyawi, teref Hoye Hoye’s Bon Fire ms Siwan Mesin nay Sekhranat, itom teQawemti zhandeswo miEbul an temokuro ztemorkose menfeet Wey FILTER, entzeyteAAmetka bflaTT, ajokha kgehadelka iyu.

        With all due respect my Friend, PLEASE SHUT UP! Of the utmost matters discussions shall be commencing right about now. Hasekha dembe ab zlemlemelu, reAyo btSayka iSEM ntta menfitt/filter kbra fltetu afrihwo, dediHri Saban, Nitricing “Howi niEgod, Gebarr ToQ nebilom” mlikit Hidma mnsiHab ab Quidmeikha.

        Ayynay “Solomon AArki Temaharay” iyu “ms Abeikhu tSHafay iyu kkhewn srAhey wey moyoy” ilu ab qdmui enoOu tmnita zeyadmetSe. Kab kemou kifaE sraH si ytrefene. “AbneAregawi, Mariam teHabkum” or nEilete Injerakha sraH ntsuH gebar zeytHif yHayish. (Oh, ya inte weHade kezwnn kemzelo zgelitSE iye izi tSHif. nmnbabu Akhilot yhabkum.)

        tSAtSE

    • Selamat iSEM

      “As PFDJ ups the ante..” Ah? Would you stand, Semere A, if I were to say “Would the real PFDJ please stand up? Please stand up! Please stand up.

      Data is a global force. Real and unreal data that is. (Maybe you should not read beyond this.. ya ‘ll too.)

      There are currents agreements being made, though seemingly rigid in their disagreements. There have been agreements made as recent as less than and up to this past month, zhalefe menfeque, this past year, this past half a decade, this past decade, in the 90s and post as well as pre and post 93 or 91,….. respectively…..Entebbe Agreement…..

      These agreements, naturally, have always maintained a level of need to know clearance levels. A sophisticated, with tonal characteristics, checks and balances mechanism that has evolved, which is now very measurable as to its magnitude of force or real power. Both the resigned (read silent majority) and not so resigned, the clever resourceful maneuverers, inclusive of those with their occasional bursts of radiations that is indicative present and imminent significant moments.

      Simply put, and it goes without saying, that progress has been attained is indisputable. Defining wider yet compacted level of clearance to those who are in more dire need to know. Clearly exposing the material and immaterial as it pertains to the populous’ anticipated redirection to their existential predicament . The redirection affected, of course, by the hard earned fought for agreements thus. These progress, without a doubt, are now measurable with instruments for both quantitative as well as the qualitative values they really do possess for those, whose decisive voice through vital action time, all will agree, has indeed arrived.

      It is clear from these conversations of recent, regarding Dr. Berekhet, the alignments and realignments are drawn boldly on these major two divides:

      A) The change from within Vs. B)The change from outside.

      Here is where I would insert a mathematics anecdote. Maybe not this time. Instead, I will pretend to be perplexed by iSEM’s: 1) “Evidence Based Politics Ah?” and 2) “… because they believe that it is a sin to take the guns of the martyrs, a myth and fallacy that this sovereignty thing has seared in their minds. “
      On the 1st, as I am taking liberty to gage the tone as a scoff on the importance of data, is clearly an indication that the emerging trends to an unfavorable change of data environment for one’s position. The position contained in the 2nd statement I quoted, where ethno nationalism politics is propagated by fanning the flames of enmity with a very subtle seemingly apologist, pardoning of sorts perhaps, to those less adequate victimizers as compared to their victims.SURE: Why not go all YG on the Preamble of the 1997 Eritrean constitution, depicting KIA and War Veterans as meaningless as sure is as are immaterial any borders or border issues, with the exception of gerrymandered, imaginary intra and interstate lines, or perhaps borderless ethnocentric maps.

      Folks, aren’t all these indices data? Or should those with higher level of clearances to information, share very explicitly, the details of and all the agreements with those multitude we are constantly vying to mold according to our mutual persuasion for most effective progress

      [Disclaimer which is absolutely NOT TRUE (as in jokingly I am disclaiming): AS is the real author of this comment/rejoinder. tSAtSE is simply providing a lending penname. AS has finally decided long ago to only I who is in front of him.}

      AS said this: “I hate Ajewjew and I keep falling back to it. Please, forgive me if I have offended anyone on any word. I needed to talk to someone and it is only you in front of me. “ Trade of Defiance, April 8, 2012.

      tSAtSE

      P.S.: It is either exit with the above joke disclaimer, or continue inducing migraines with my incomprehensible dissections and more questions. I think folks want to debate and develop their thoughts further. I agree. Will be following these fascinating dialogues.
      And if you read up to here then…

  • said

    Greeting,
    We know how civilized countries and civilized people treat their citizens on equal basis with full rights. It grossly put to shame the extremists Andinat of 40th who generally abused their -indigenous Eritrean brethren based on religious afflation, they targeted political leaders and the their supporters of civilian population, they raison d’être, they continue to sing Unity with Ethiopia slogans ,false, baseless and void political program. For those advocated Eritrean independence with great leaders and vision; incredible strong political will and unparalleled fortitude in a mostly leaderless age at that time to lead Eritrea to the end . they had the grit, moral integrity.
    I had a chance to meet and discuss frankly with an old gentleman, a unionist while ago, in talking about Eritrean situation, one soon perceives the fear that lurks behind the smiles, the sense that unionist is constantly aware of being watched, censored and not trusting.
    unionist obsessed with demonizing Eritrea. knowing I’ll never be able to articulate a coherent explanation of what unionist(Agazian) think of Eritrea. Yes every Eritrean Deserved their place in Eritrea because they thrown themselves their, lives, heart and soul into Eritrean independence and today ’s, they struggle for democracy, with courage and bravery. self-confidence and steadfastness.
    For pro Ethiopian unionist, they ask what was it all for, But what if we’re wrong? After all, as far as they can tell, it should be apparent by now, that something isn’t working. After all, almost 26 years of independence, wouldn’t it be appropriate to stop for a moment and ask serous question what is it worth it, all Scarface, For what end result.
    As for me Just whose side is pro Ethiopian unionist really on? Not for Eritrean interest, unionist don’t waste a moment thinking about what (and whom) which, they are side they’re truly fighting for great mother Ethiopia. They ask, it’s also worth asking just what kind of nation states Eritrean are dreaming and working with to achieve their goal as new sovereign state and was it justify and worthy be new nation, as fact demonstrated. A grotesque failed state as a result of its years after independence. Eritrean already heavily scarified and payed their due, that doesn’t take into account the many thousands heroically died and many thousands been wounded, displaced as refugees, and including the countless thousands whose lives have been wrecked because they were physically maimed or mentally shattered by their experiences and permanently traumatized by long war, the price for independence. today Eritrean trying to leave in drove to get to Europe. This is what we have done with our independence. What Eritrean governments have done in our Eritrean name. And Eritrean governments are still doing it, unionist ask. Eritrean died for what, over these blood-soaked years in which pro Ethiopian unionist are asking for an answer for the cost of fighting for independence was it worth it . victory did not have a clear definition and mission, a deferred nation. The main goal the fighting was for our independence and attacking and defeating, obliterating and crushing Ethiopian enemies and win a battlefield victory, YES. Ethiopian army possessed the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that exist anywhere in Africa and well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist and that has ever hit the field of combat in Eritrea. The whole might of the Ethiopian army couldn’t beat the Eritrea freedom fighters with their mostly AK 47 rifles. For unionist winning on the battlefield is irrelevant.
    unionist believe some invisible calculus has determined that the underlying conditions which made Eritrean existence and possible dream are gone. the threshold is crossed – invisible means just that. Unionist; Certainly, they are not the side of the vast majorly Eritrean Aspiration. That should be apparent. because they believed that Eritrean did not achieve democracy and peace, they reason. No longer do Eritrean insist that being independent will bring us eternal sunshine. Now the best they can offer is the glum hope that things might, eventually change, be no worse than if we stayed with mother Ethiopia. remain looking not to the future, but to the reactionary past. national catastrophe
    to ensure that as neighbourhood nation, we live in is never again consumed by the flames of tyranny and hatred. Eritrean Deserve and identity with and they have “respect for democracy, human rights and rule of law”. unionist attracted to the idea where they came from, their root is mother Ethiopia, which is the same place unionist believe Eritrean come from Ethiopia, what A national catastrophe

  • Saba

    Hi All,
    Me too i watched Dr. Bereket’s video. I like his English-translated tigrigna words. He translated Political baggage in tigrigna lol. He is correct when he identifies the problem with the opposition as lack of transparency, trying to solve too much simultaneously and the leaders are power thirsty. But he is wrong when he says the opposition leaders are too patriotic. When weyane occupied the southern region during 2000, some of the opposition followed weyane and tried to lecture the local elders about democracy. Is that patriotism?
    The doctor believes in evidence based medicine but is seeking democracy/freedom with out patriotism “evidence based politics” in Eritrea? Many people i know in the Eritrean silent majority believe that sovereignty and freedom go hand in hand.
    A leader should lead the people with his/her new ideas (similar to Moses crossing the sea) or listen the people and lead them with their idea. Which one is practical in Eritreans case? Please practice “evidence based politics”.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Saba,
      If I may I would like to share with you what I understood from your rejoinder, and correct me if I misundertood you. I thought Dr. Berekhet did not negate patriotism and nationalism altogether and inclining to associate politics and democracy with medicine and its tools. His views were situation specific, namely, critizing the regime’s exploitation of people’s emotional attachment to patriotism and nationalism linked with sovereignty and qualifying as taboos to extent of relating particular issues like Badume in connection to mobilizing people against the regime as condemnable heresy. Actually, I heard him saying that he did not mean that Badume does not belong to him and Eritreans.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Saba, I haven’t watched the Video yet, but judging what he has, the good doctor written In awate before, I have a good idea what his intentions are. however; I will never take seriously any person who talks from Addis Ababa under TPLF’s payroll. NOP! Don’t trust Eritrean in Ethiopia, they are corrupted and compromised.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Ismailo & All,

    I have promised you during the weekdays that I will bring a paper written by a German scholar regarding Eritrea and its realities. One hopes the weirdo Saay will not call him “weirdo German scholar” because he is not American scholar. Actually the researched paper is good to read it in conjunction to Dr. Bereket’s remark in his speech. Dr. Nicole Hirt’s core message is on the “Anomie and Eritrean families disintegration.” Enjoy and have a say on it.

    http://repec.giga-hamburg.de/pdf/giga_10_wp119_hirt.pdf

    Regard
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Sis Tzegereda,

      You are fast to read the comments. I saw you were trying to correct me while I was editing it. I am glad to have a sister behind me to correct my errors. I love it, and keep to do it. Commenting from I-phones makes you prone to errors.

      • Tzigereda

        Selam Emma,

        You are welcome. Since I am now your sister, I just want tell you that you also wanted to edit the word ” weirdo”.
        Dfret aytquxero

        Thank you

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sis Tzegereda,

          If the source of that language corrected it, sure I will. Is that difficult to criticize to the owner of that word, who has to use it often times, not only to us but also to the astute scholars? ZehmoQ Aleni Betri habuni Aytigberyo, sister.

          MisAkbrot
          Amanuel Hidrat

    • Ismail AA

      Selan Aman,
      Thank you for the link to Dr. Hirt’s artile. I will read it and may share comments with you. Actually, I had information about the GIGA publications because a good Eritrean writer, Dr. Abdulkader Mohammed Saleh is als associated with Dr. Hirt. He is currently associated with the International Law and Policy Institute (ILPI) in Oslo. He has written a number of good articles and books. One of his books is on the Saho of Eritrea with focus on their identity and consciousness. He, moreover, has joint works with Dr. Hirt and others. In the past, he worked in Sebha, Libya from where he returned to Asmara and played role in institution building effort there between 1993-2003) when the university was still alive.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ismailo,

        I had no any clue about her, before a friend of mine e-mailed me her paper work. Nice to give me her background and her contribution towards Eritrea. She is friend for the Eritrean people. Imagine how many friends we lost who could help us in building our nation. Thank you for the feedback.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Paulos,
    Thanks for flagging Berekhet. I wouldn’t know about his latest statements had you not brought him here. I particularly liked the issues being discussed here because of him, and him because of you.
    Emma was right when he tried to hold on to the map patriots but he quickly gave up on them when they descended to their usual cheap tactic.
    Berekhet said the issues and urgencies we are facing today are not normal problems. The problems are no more that of political but of moral and human. He was alarming on the catastrophic and urgent existential nature of the problem. But his elevated defnition of the problem was right to make it one of alarming to mobilize fast and a broader rallying nessage. He was disaapointingly surprised to see many Eritreans, including the opposition and the very victims, not to be alarmed and siezed enough about it.
    Yes it is embarassing to rally around a border as a priority when people, the very owners of the soverignity, are leaving the hinterland in exodus.
    This must be made clear: there cannot be one whi claims to be more nationalist than Berekhet. It doesn’t matter to the map patriots who dare to question the truly Eritrean patriots though. Berekhet one of the few trying to do to help needy compatriors at the very front is beyond questionability.
    YG was asked here by Saay to give his view point summarized. And he did: people first. Saay was not shy from repeatedly rediculing that phrasal summary. Berekhet is being questioned here for the same reason. Map patriots don’t consider the notion of seeing people before the land.
    And yet it is easy ti see which cones first. You save the people and you have a good chance of saving the land as well. You save the land and lose your people, the will eventually be owned by others. But what is even the use of defending the land if it is not for the people. Saving your people is not a political cause. It is moral and human. Saving and protecting PFDJ is political and partisian.
    Thanks Berkhet for clearly defining the problem for us.

    • saay7

      Hi Hayat:

      Ah, now the orchestra is complete: I was wondering when the maestro would show up and throw us some YG tidbits including “map patriots.”:)

      Dr Bereket, who was highly respected when he stayed in his lane, will come to regret his ill-advised words or will become even more radicalized and start called Tegadelti shefatu. Either way, it doesn’t change his great contribution when he stayed in his lane, medicine, before he strayed into a field he is ill prepared for, politics.

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam saay,

        Really Saay, that Dr. Bereket is “ill prepared for politics” than you, because he disagree from your point of view? Why people can only make their argument, it always bothers many meaningful Eritreans. Dr. Bereket is not less than you to speak on the Eritrean political crises. You oppose his idea, that your right. But don’t tell us who will regret on his/her words as the final word Sayer. May be you will the one who regrets on his words, who knows? Don’t judge you will judged.

        regards

        • saay7

          Hi Emma:

          I know comprehension and you have been separated due to irreconcilable differences, but I have repeatedly said I am not a politician, that people need to know their limitations, and not everyone has the skills required to be a politician. Dr Bereket clearly showed that he doesn’t.

          Try something radical: try to understand what you are reading before you start typing.

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            Why you don’t let politics to politician then? Isn’t he sharing his view like you as a citizens who has great concerns on the politics of our nation? Can non politician who doesn’t know how politics work judge who is politician and not? Are all politicians from the school of politics only? I don’t think you miss that. You are doing for the sake of argument, otherwise the politicians are not more versed than you in politics? But you use it as scaring tactic ” when you told Dr. Bereket that he will “regret”. Let us stop judgement and have the freedom to say the way we see it, Saay Haway.

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amunuel

            Can you imagine ! ኣብ ፖሎቲክ እዛ ሃገርና –እዚ እዩ እቲ ጸገም ክፉት ዘይምኾን ::

            KS,,

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Kokhob,
            The problem is when we dont allow ourselves to critizise just because one belongs to dembe ftHi. ጽቡቅን ሃጏፍን ምንጋር ነውሪ ኣይክኮነን፣

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear sis. Tzigereda

            This Is the problem ..since I know this revolution..

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Emma:

            By “he will come to regret it” I mean that, going forward, that’s all he will be asked about.

            Not everyone is pilitician. The curse of Eritrea is that people who have no business being in politics fancy themselves as great politicians, present company not excluded.

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Saay,

            Just for simplicity purpose, let me ask you few question: What are “you and me” debating whether we are politicians or not? Aren’t we debating on the politics of our nation? Zike-aleka politika Enda tezarebkas polkitca Aykonen keytbleni Tray. My friend you are in to it, and others too.

            regards

      • Hayat Adem

        Saay,
        “Dr Bereket, who was highly respected when he stayed in his lane, will come to regret his ill-advised words.” With all due respect, why would you say that before the fact? Isn’t he expressing his views after considering some observed facts and processing them as a concerned intellectual citizen? He may make mistakes but why would you tag him to a punishing consequence for an opinion? That to me sounds the language of the Mmekhete guys.

        • saay7

          Selam Hayat:

          Dr Bereket said many things at his presentation but the one we are discussing is the one Paulos highlighted. Paulos has his reasons for selecting it, others who share Paulos and ur views will select it, those of us opposed to those views will select it and by he will come to regret it I mean it is yet another issues that divides the opposition and for no good reason because his (Dr Bereket’s) claim that Badme and sovereignty is all-consuming to Eritrean opposition leaders cannot be substantiated. In my view, Dr Bereket was highly influential when he was focused on his field of expertise and as he drifts from that, if this presentation he made is any guide, he is less so.

          saay

      • Selamat Saay7,

        “Ah, now the orchestra is complete:…” Does it mean AS is readying for his 3rd and 17 in E major? ya’ll missing the target Brahhh!

        tSAtSE

    • Desbele

      Hi Hayat,
      People First!!! Infact Dr Bereket’s views are the same with what YG synthesized in his numerous articles years ago.
      Unfortunately there are people who are extremely good at branding, and well they branded him as Neo Andinet*. YG never mentioned that and even once said publicly that it is immensely foolish to think Andinet at this time.
      We will see what the brand name would be to Dr. Bereket.
      * I actually admire The Andinet for what they stood for then.

      • saay7

        Selam Desbele;

        I am going to come back to this point later but let me repeat something else Dr Bereket said: he was having a conversation with two Eritreans who are theoretically members of the political class: one is the son of a G-15 prisoner the other was a former pilot of Eritrean Airforce. And all they wanted to talk about was Agazianism.

        Dr Bereket has show great care for Eritreans. Why? Is that because he is humanitarian? Well then why not South Sudanese or Syrians? Isn’t it because they are Eritreans? This extra emotion connection one feels for people who are from the same country is nationalism or patriotism. Take it away by ridiculing it or trivializing it, and some other ism will take its place. And that’s precisely what’s happening with Eritreans.

        That’s what happened to the two young Eritreans Dr Bereket mentioned: they are shopping for an ism. He wrongly diagnosed this as a failure of the Eritrean opposition to help Eritreans identify their real enemy PFDJ. No, it’s actually due elements within Eritrean opposition who ridicule patriotism and nationalism and it’s sad that Dr Bereket has used words that coincide with theirs.

        “People First” was as silly and vague as “Ethiopia First” and now “America First.”

        saay

        • Desbele

          Hi Saay ,

          Just you like you fear other ismisms took place the place of nationalism/patriotism I detest extreme nationalism/patriotism’s disregard for human suffering. There are two Eritrea. The one in the minds of the extreme nationalistic/patriotism minds is pristine, rich , special. and without flaw. They are proud of Daniel T (the mountain king) and the scientist Awet Russom . And rightly so. But they fail to recognize the misery of most of their follow Eritreans . They even reject or disown it. Lampedusa , ISIS or other tragedy is portrayed as a non Eritrean ….that happened to others. All these refugees flee their country in search of ipods and sneakers. Any mishap to Eritreans is totally rejected or denied for it taints the pristine image they hold in their disillusioned nationalistic mind . Any one who points the flaws would be mercilessly attacked for being unpatriotic. Saay, the emotional connection should work both ways. As much as we take the pride we should also feel the shame and misery and sympathize each other.
          Ridiculing nationalism might not be good , but trivializing is not a bad idea and I dont think would lead to shopping isms. We dont need to glorify what is not there and create myths . We are fine if left alone as ordinary people in an ordinary country with our culture and diversity serving as our emotional connection .

          • Hayat Adem

            Desbele,
            This is so penetrative and cross-cutting comment. Thank you. Now one aspect of the struggle has become a struggle of demystifying and normalizing Eritrea’s problem. Eritrea’s problem is essentually a small country, small economy, an African country, a poor country problem. We are not special people, we have no special enemy… the only extraordinary aspect of our situation is we are being led by criminal group living on seĺling us false and fake products of patriotism

          • saay7

            Desbele:

            My question remains: if patriotism and nationalism are bad (I mean of course not for Ethiopia or any other country in the world but Eritrea only) on what basis is Dr Bereket, you, Hayat, YG, and all the so-called people-Firsters do you feel the pain of one group of people–who occupy a certain plot of land–over all others in the world? Is it entirely coincidental that those who invite us to downplay patriotism and nationalism (“distorted”) are always finding substitutes and they are always Habesha, Tigrinya, Kebessa–any subset of Eritrea but not the whole of Eritrea?

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Saay:
            No body said patriotism and nationalism are bad. They are not. But all kinds of views and actions advanced in the name of patriotism are not patriotic at all in its true sense. A man fired up about a disputed border land and remaining cold on the grand mismanagement of the nation and its people towards their demise cannot be considered true patriotic at all.

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            And who is/are this/these bogeyman/men you guys keep talking about? Talk about beating an imaginary horse.

            Saay

          • Desbele

            Hi Saay:
            Here is what happened in an Eritrean church in DC ….
            One Sunday morning after the sermon, the clergy announced that they are forming a committee that fund-raise for building a church in Jerusalem. He pointed out that Ethiopia has one there and it is imperative we Eritreans need to have one too. The estimate , he says is $5 million. Nationalism at its best!! Think of what an Eritrean Church in DC should do a this time when its children are desperately dispersed living in harsh conditions in refugee camps. I can provide endless examples where Eritreans either individually or in their traditional institutions stubbornly hype their nationalism when the urgent thing needed now is salvation of the people.
            Dr. Bereket has mentioned them in his interview. ኣብዚ ግዜ ብዛዕባ ባድመ ክዛረቡ የሕፍረኒ ዩ, ገሊኦም ብዛዕባ ምልዓል እገዳ
            People first, again and again!!

          • saay7

            Desbele:

            Well, this sort of thing happens with all immigrant communities: I don’t get how it is always presented as if it is uniquely Eritrean malady.

            But that is a completely different discussion. What I am trying to see is the cause-and-effect that Dr. B created from this observation: that it is this kind of sentiment (nationalism) that has gotten the Eritrean oppo stuck.

            Look, Desbele: because of the ineffectiveness of our opposition, there is always an attempt to diagnose it and propose a way forward. Many apostles have come and gone since 2001. Dr. B is claiming that the reason it is stuck is because of nationalism. I, and those who agree with me, are saying he is wrong. And not only is he wrong, he has said something that will alienate us further from the silent majority and he has unwittingly given more ammunition to the PFDJ. That’s not a people first policy; that is an Ethiopia First policy.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear saay7 ..

            Now “…That’s not a people first policy; that is an Ethiopia First policy.” Ha..Ha..ha,,
            I found you again!

            KS,,

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            If the majority are silent, how would you know if they are for “Territorial integrity first? Or is it they opted to be silent after they heard similar to Bereket’s discourse before?

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            There is no “if” about it: the majority IS silent. And I suspect this is not unique to Eritrea as the majority in most countries are silent, as judged by the metrics of political activism. There are two labels that we have fixed on each other that have stuck, because people were able to independently validate it:

            Sticker 1: the PFDJ is a cruel and sadistic organization that inflicts massive pain on Eritreans leaving them with only two choices: to leave the country or to stay away from its radar.

            Sticker 2: the Opposition are….um…not independent of Ethiopia and are eager to echo Ethiopias positions.

            This is not based on scientific data or surveys but the sum total of conversations with the Silent. If you have your own conclusions (the opposition is gosh darn it too nationalistic) please share.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            That is precisely my point. Your assessment is hypothetical or inductive if you will. There is no scientific data that can back it up. To go back to Dr. Bereket, my understanding is that, he seems to have employed strategic thinking in evaluating the nature of a problem before one sets out to solve it. He is a physician by training and I suspect he utilizes similar whats and hows to the clear and present Eritrea’s or should I say the Eritrean people’s challenges.

            Allow me to draw an analogy close to his profession. In medicine particularly in the practice of medicine, there is something called Differential Diagnosis. Essentially what it means is that, when a patient is presented with a case, the case could be a number of ailments. Differential diagnosis is a collection of diseases which are of a similar manifestations. It is the duty of the physician to narrow down and finally pin down the true diagnosis by using physical exam and the relevant tests as well (read: Occam’s Razor.) A comptent physician focuses on the relevant signs and symptoms including the test results so that not only he can pin down the right diagnosis but can effectively treat the patient as well.

            Here is a hypothetical scenario: A 50 years old male patient presents with unexplained weight loss, night sweats, occasional productive cough that has been going on for the past two weeks. The patient has 20-pack year smoking history. He has been working as a miner for 30 years. He says he just returned from overseas a visit to his family. He drinks occasionally and lives with his wife and children.

            A lot of information. And what could it be? Malignancy because of the smoking history? TB because he just got returned from TB endemic area or is it Mesothelioma related to his mining job. Malignancy, TB and Mesothelioma are Differential diagnosis. How do you get to the right diagnosis? Precisely by focusing only and only on the relevant information. That is how comptent and intelligent physicians think. And that is how Dr. Bereket came to his conclusion and recommendations.

          • Selamat Paulos,

            For what purpose is data collected and processed and studied? Yes, you would be right with your “for induction or to produce inductively sufficient data. You and your twin Semera A recognize that your support of Dr. BB camouflaged deeper motivated narratives are indeed aware that the data is not and will not be trending favorably. Hence, yours “there is no sufficient data.” Though it is true the more or large quantity of data does add to producing sufficient data, sufficient data is in fact the very small in quantity and high in quality that is inductive after the data mining cleaning, processing, modeling and put through various analysis.
            Nothing is wrong with inductive nor is there lack of real and very large data that a scientific construct could not be presented. The DATA is simply UNFAVORABLE TO YOUR POSITIONS.

            So Paul and iSEM, thd double trouble twins, would you too stand up if I were to say: “Would the real PFDJ please stand up? Please stand up! please stand up.

            tSAtSE

          • Haile S.

            Hi Paul,
            This man in your case has most likely histoplasmosis, since you didn’t say the mine was an asbestos mine. To blurr the case you added a wife and children exactly like BB added the “ልዑላዊነት-ባድመ driven opposition”. BTW didn’t BB gave a no-question diagnosis of our maladie, economic crisis? (agree). He just stumbled in how best to deal with it best.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            We sure do not want to bore Awetawian with random medical cases but if Histoplasmosis is to be added to the differentials, the history would to the very least indicate if the patient lives in the Mississippi River or Ohio River Valley areas and it would indicate if the patient is immunocompromized as well. I agree with the asbestosis and silicosis however. That said, I feel like we are in Lit or Film Studies class where we review a book or a film at will when Beckett’s Godot refuses to show up.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            The Godots here are not enough for you? 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            You are an author and let’s just say that you started an ambitious novel with 15 characters in it and half way to the novel and character building, for a reason only known to you, you abandon the novel all together (read: Writer’s block) indefinitely.

            Question is what are your characters going to do? You created them; you gave them identity and sense of purpose in “life” as well. They are frightened for they don’t know a life without you. They wait and wait for you as time passes immeasurably. You’re no where to be found. The characters start to take matters onto their own hands and decide to become masters of their own destiny. The powerful characters create rules and the weak abide by the rules in exchange for safety and protection. The 15 characters become 30 and 30 become 60……the late comers start to doubt if you ever existed and start to employ Reason to justify their existence. The “weak” haven’t given up yet and they still wait for you, if not they are certain that they will join you in the land where you have gone to when they exit the scene for good. In the meantime, certain men who call themselves “Philosopher-Kings” say and tell the true-believers that, your sense of reality is a shadow of the true Form and come out of the “cave” to experience Reason. The true-believers refuse and the debate and conflict rages on…….and you never came back.

            Shekispear once famously said, “The World is a grand theater-stage and we are mere characters in it.”

          • Paulos,

            Entay ikha ‘nskha? Ayyay weys Manjusay.
            Strictly platonic comment or more like copy and paste. I like this allegory as well as 64 raised to the power of 4. Harmonic equilibrium or is it the divine number? I forget…
            Philosopher King:
            “The Allegory of the Cave, or Plato’s Cave, was presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Republic (514a–520a) to compare “the effect of education (παιδεία) and the lack of it on our nature”. It is written as a dialogue between Plato’s brother Glaucon and his mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter.”

            tSAtSE
            PS: Speaking of “film studies…” Lawrence Fishburne in “Always Outnumbered”.. check it out on “Free movies on youtube” then perhaps I will pick it up by pointing to you a minor contradiction you have made with your last sentence/quote. Did I tell you of my Tony nominations worthy Three Weekend nights and a matinee debut performance a couple of years ago?* I know I told your twin of tSAtSE78 Raimouk nomination worthy…ahhh. Yes the Author extraordinair dimentica la sua verbosita. This luxury is due to the significant filtering achieved, as gaged from the absence of noise. It is quite enough to hear a pin drop.

            tSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Selamat Tsatse Arkey,

            Probably Ayay but in intellect and heart manjusay to you. That said, I always enjoy reading your comments and always leave me with a smile in my face. You’re the best!

          • Haile S.

            Good morning Paul,
            Well said. Beckett’s Godot was not made to come. He is ትጽቢት ጽዮን. Our Godot will come in one form or in the form of Moses. We where just cautioning Moses where he puts his stick.
            Best

          • Selam Paulos,

            Even if the diagnosis is right, (let us say, mesothelioma due to chronic exposure to asbestos), what do you do if a group of people abduct the patient and say, NO, the patient doesn’t have any problem, the doctor is wrong? Well, you can imagine the final outcome, unless ……..
            (I am saying this forgetful of the fact that ethiopians are also suffering under tplf/woyane).

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,
            I think if this patient has mesothelioma (a cancer with mostly bad outcome), his relatives are right to take him away to try some other miracles, 2X7 days እንዳ ማርያም ደርዓንቶ (kind of Qulbi Gebreal) :-). Our problem, regionally speaking, is as you well put it the other day “The obsession with the aggressive macho politics, if I can say so, from both sides”. Our discussion in this forum, as my understanding goes, is suspicion of one or the other playing into that macho politics.
            Best

          • Selam Haile S.,

            May be you are right, but, the poor guy is going to die a horrible painful death without any medical support.
            These people do not want to accept that there is a problem in the first place, and my point in using Paulos’ analogy was that one should acknowledge the fact that a problem exists, and be open to recommendations, for there is not only one solution for a problem. As you know, there is no cure unless one admits the existence of a disease.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,
            I am not sure there are people who don’t admit there is a problem. ሓኪም ሲበዛ በሽተኛ ጠነዛ። Me, I will stick to your well put pandemic diagnosis I quoted. For the remedy, I am sure we will have plenty of occasions to talk about.
            Best

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Horizon,

            Let us say the patient is multimorbid, meaning he has not only Mesothelioma but heart, & kidney ( lbey, goney) problems ( secondary diagnosis) too, which makes a three modal therapy ( Radiation, chemotherapy, operation) difficult, if cure is anticipated.
            Now the ‘new’ doc tells the patient that the previous docs he consulted were only focused on the secondary diagnosis and not on the main diagnosis, thus they could not offer him the right treatment plan, which is not true.
            Symptoms should not be confused with diagnosis, secondary diagnosis should never be ignored ( any treatment can otherwise have fatal results) and you always need the consent of the patient.
            More CT scans and diagnostic tools ( Biopsie) might help verifying the diagnosis if one thinks he is too young for the diagnosis Mesothelioma. Maybe it turns out to be TB. The secondary diagnosis don’t change, so it will still need simultaneous treatment.
            The pharmacist should now deliver all medicines ( some to be taken for limited time, other medicine mostly for the whole life).

          • Selam Tsigereda,

            Early diagnosis and early treatment is very important, if one wants the treatment to be effective, and if one aims for a good result. Sustaining a patient or a situation in a precarious condition for a long time, will simply make the end result unpredictable and even futile.
            The present situation of the patient tells if the previous docs were successful or not.
            If you know amharic, we say ‘የፉክክር ቤት ሳይዘጋ ያድራል’, and that is what we see. The result is already painful for so many.
            It would have been nice if the patient has the right of consent himself, and can decide on his fate, unfortunately, it is others who do it for him, which of course, is an abnormal situation.
            It is very important to avoid by all means possible a situation in which medicine is given for a ‘kill or cure’ outcome (i.e. an experimental drug), because of a chain of miscalculations.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            The challenges in medicine particularly if you’re a clinician (hope you watched the hit TV drama series “House”) is that when a patient is presented with a case, a sense of urgency is involved and the care-giver is expected to think with clarity under intense situation (read: Trauma Surgeons particularly). You check vital signs and if the patient is stable, you manage it expectantly but if the patient is not stable you notify the surgeon on call to assess the source of bleeding if the case is trauma induced shock for instance. In this kind of urgency, can you afford to entertain second opinions or if family members for whatever reason refuse for the patient to get treatment? You ignore all the noises (read: irrelevant noices) and you go ahead and save the patient’s life. Again that is exactly how Dr. Bereket is thinking. He is absolutely right. I don’t have any doubt in my mind.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Paulos,

            Now you jump from Mesothelioma to emergency room, lol. In the first case second opinion is very common:)

          • Nitricc

            HI Tzigereda, just wait, give her a little time and P will go to rehab next lol then unfortunately the patient dies and P will render the funeral service. lol

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            I am still laughing. Damn you!

          • Paulos

            Selam Tzigereda (Oh love your name!),

            Of course second opinion more often than not brings right diagnosis and prognosis but the analogy here in this forum is not to talk about medical cases per se but to make a point where in my assumption Bereket seems to have applied his training in medicine into effectively identitying a problem and finding a solution as well. He seems to have understood the essence of urgency and time as well.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Paulos,

            You totally missed the point! MeAlesh:)

          • Selam Paulos,

            Dr. Bereket has made the right diagnosis and he may have the right prescription too, but his main problem is implementation, because unfortunately, the odds against him are too many, as you can see. He has identified the priorities, and he is spot-on when he said “The notion that emigrant or diaspora communities have a special insight into the problems of their homeland, or a special moral or political status in regard to them, is wholly unfounded.” I hope that there are many like him who stand for a genuine positive change for the sake of the people, so that they are not made pawns (victims) in partisan politics.

        • Hayat Adem

          Selam Saay,
          “Ethiopia First” and “America First” are the same map patriotisms PFDJ pretentiously stands for. They are the very deviations from the concept of People First.
          I think the land belongs to people and not the other way. Predator states champion the land over the citizens simply because it is easier to control the land first than winning the people. Land comes with zero preexisting values while people have histories, cultures and identities.

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            I would give you People Firsters grudging respect if you meant all the people all the time. But you don’t.

            Do “people” include PFDJ-sympathizes, EDF or even agelglot if they stood in the way of an Ethiopian “surgical” invasion? If u were in a military strategist room and he said an operation has high probability of success but there will be civilian casualties, will you say “nah, people first!”

            2. The Godfather of Agazianism, YG, in his search for a term to replace Eritrea (that damned map) and Ghedli (was it worth it?) had dropped all sorts of hints and dots as to which people he is agonizing over. Now those are connected: Habesha, Tigraway, Tigrinya, Agazian.

            The Eritrean tyranny has worked hard to pervert the meaning of patriotism to mean indefinite indentured servitude, violence and impunity. Naturally the youth said if this is the meaning of patriotism you can have it. When they went to exile, beginning at Ethiopian refugee camps they were shown the other extreme: grouping by your ethnicity, and when they left Ethiopia and started investigating opposition they found more of the same. That is, they have yet to see a healthy version of patriotism.

            What you are ridiculing as map patriot is a way to combat the other ism because within an ism people are unmoved. This may be new to some of you guys but you are not even original: the first movement against map patriotism were the Islamist who told us a Tunisian Muslim is closer to them than an Eritrean Christian.

            Saay

          • Bayan Negash

            Hey Sal,

            Dr. Bereket Berhane (BB) spoke about our inability to prioritize when wishing to unseat a tyrant. On a scheme of things, the territorial integrity with Ethiopia should not be the front burner issue for the opposition. I know this goes against your TwgaHmo philosophy from yesteryear. I get that.

            But, it is not the burning issue we should grapple with at this junction. How to stop the bleeding and the hollowing out of our young from leaving the country ought to be the central tenet of the opposition camp seems to be the central message of Dr. BB. Talking about territorial integrity until the cows come home will not unseat the regime from the helm of power and that some such arguments ought to be left for the regime and its loyalists. Unfortunately, Dr. BB’s message has been so twisted beyond recognition by the political spin doctor vets like yourself, there just is no way one can rationally analyze the man’s message objectively anymore, at least, in this space.

            As if that wasn’t enough, and then out of the blue you drop this unseemly labeling of individuals, willy-nilly. I suppose, “The Godfather of Agazianism, YG” must have been discredit by his own disciples then? Listen to the last minute or two of what the face of Agazianism has said about YG below and then see if your loosely assigned label holds or not. Not to mention, YG unequivocally spoke to the ignoramus of calling themselves Agazians when the history of Agazians will take them straight to the Amhara and Yemen in one of the paltalk talk YG gave. So, what gives with this, Sal?

            Cheers,
            Beyan

            https://youtu.be/GHRnqCd1jYM?t=6264

          • saay7

            Selamat Bayan:

            Your first two paragraphs will not be complete unless you can substantiate a claim made by Dr Bereket: that there are Eritrean opposition leaders who have prioritized Badme, territorial integrity above all else. He didn’t name them, Semere A didn’t name them. Can you name them? Who are these opposition leaders that are talking about prioritizing Badme, territorial integrity etc over everything? If you can’t name anyone, and I don’t think you can, it’s just strawman argument.

            There is a direct line between YGs long series of questioning the validity of Ghedli, dismissing the founding fathers of the revolution as clueless Arabists and Islamists, and his categorization of Ghedli as a journey designed for the sole purpose of replacing its Habesha identity with an alien Ghedli identity — and the current espousers of the assortment of Tigrinya Supremacists, Islam-trashers, and those who call tegadelti in general shefatu (YG called Hamed Idris Awate an ethnic cleanser. ) I am plenty justified in calling him The Godfather of Agazianism or at least its intellectual beam, such as it were, given how much they venerate him.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Hi saay
            If you don’t mind i want to ask you about this agazian thing, i don’t have idea about it outside of the discussion here in awate. The question is way they call it agazian instead of tigrai tigragn? Since it doesn’t include the amhara of ethiopia and the tigre of eritrea why they call it agazian instead of tigrai tigragn? I really a

          • saay7

            Tedros:

            I think even the original “Tigray-Tigrini” of the 1940s also referred to itself as Agazian and because it was much more sophisticated and had better leaders than the current iteration, it didn’t attack any group but focused on reminding people of its greatness. Breitbart once said “politics lives downstream from culture.” And the culture is now coarse; it follows that politics would. The new version of Agazian spends 10% of its time telling people how great its history is and 90% of its time cataloging the sins of its enemies. The Amharic-speakers sometimes make it to the list of enemies and sometimes to the list of allies. They are unresolved on that.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Hi saay
            Thank u, according to tplf/eprdf definition of people’s ( people) is the same as the concept of tigrai tigragn which is they( tigraians in eth and tigragns in eri)are one people so if that is tplf definition of people? Can we say tplf accepted eritrean independence from ethiopia but not eri tigragn from tigrai?

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            I don’t know enough about Ethiopian politics to give a definitive answer to your question. I don’t have any problem with people showing affinity for their kin across borders, particularly in fragile countries where statehood is not solidified (almost all of Africa.) Just like its normal for an Eritrean Afar to identify with an Ethiopian Afar, I accept it as perfectly normal for an Eritrean Tigrinya-speaker to identify with a Tigrayan Tigrinya-speaker. I would have no issues with Agazian if they focused all their energies educating people on the greatness, real or imagined, of Agazian people — although I may have fun with it the way I did with Gheteb when he was pushing his Adulisian thing. The only problem is that they feel they can only highlight their greatness by creating a contrast and it’s always with Eritrean lowlanders, Muslims, or Arabs whom they demonize with gutter language.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Hi saay
            Thank u again, me too i don’t have problem with this agazian(tigrai tigragn)thing. It probably will solve some if not most of the problems that we have in ethiopia and eritrea if they do it without demonizing their neighbors and inside their territories.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Desbele,

        Are you Eritrean? The reason to my question is your last sentence ” I actually admire The Andinet for what they stood for then.” Are you arguing for Andnet now? Help me I didn’t understand you.

        • Desbele

          Hi Amanuel,
          Yes I am Eritrean.
          No , I dont support Andinet now.
          Yes I admire Andinet of the 40’s

        • Olana

          Dear Amanuel Hidrat
          Are you implying that any Eritrean entertaining the idea of Andnet with Ethiopia can not be an Eritrean?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Olena,

            Not at all. I was just trying to know his position clear. That’s all.

          • Olana

            Dear Amanuel
            Thank you for the reply.

          • blink

            Dear Olana
            yes any one who entertain the idea of Andnet can not be Eritrean at heart , for me he is some one who lost his father due to his father support to Dergi. Long time ago we calle them many names an as they grow they could not forget it so as the dictator continous to kill Eritrea they feel emboldened to say ,” hi my father was with Mengustu hailemariam killing wembede (shefatu ) ,

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Hayat and all,

      Dr. Bereket has little to do with Yosief Gebrehiwot. I think Yosief has evolved towards politically nihilistic and absurdist views it is no longer to know what his positions are anymore say in September 2017. In his evolution, he said so many things that caught attention of people, we keep on referring to him on his views that he outgrew or possibly still hold. By and large, I think he would be surprised to see he made such an impact when he said contradictory or at least unfinished thoughts.

      I gave up on him when he crossed to the 50s and 40s and started trashing the legitimacy of the Eritreans right to self-determination. When I heard him talk in paltalk ridiculing Shiek Ibrahim Sultan, and his deliberate selective reading of history, I felt one emotion: I despised his contrived approach.

      Dr. Bereket as far as I know is a proud Eritrean nationalist. He hates the Isaias regime. His position on Eritrean Ghedli is crystal clear: KUDUS GHEDLI. That is what he calls it; at least used to call it. A tegdalay himself, I don’t see him in the same category like Yosief and others.

      In my opinion, the highlighted issue of sovereignty needs more explanation from him; doesn’t dovetail to the good Dr know. Though in this world come mad as ours, ” sewn basqemeTut binor mnAlebet😀.”

      Ghezae Hagos

      • Ismail AA

        Selam ghezaehagos,
        I concur with your understanding of what the good doctor said. I am still at a loss why dear forumers are reading too much in the two or three conceptually fluid matter: patriotism,nationalism and sovereignty.

        As I tried to note in my earlier rejoinder, he did not declare absolute heresy on those notions as related to his country. May be his wording could have sound a bit harder. Otherwise, and to be fair to him, I did not find him less patriotic towards our hard-won sovereignty than any of us. I think we are looking at what he said in the context of our positions vis-a-vis how the opposition work should be approached. Dr. Berekhet had just been more emphatic in trying to separate policies that the opposition could have drawn in the light of the outstanding issues such as the border and Badme that has been tightly barricaded inside the notions of patriotism and soveregnty as the regime has been doing to its advantage – an elaborate scheme to keep the people emotions hostage under the pretension of threats to sovereignty.

        Actually, the regime has even succeeded to preclude questioning of its failure to get back Badme or force implementation of the border ruling though years have elapsed. Moreover, the caustious approach by opposition opinions not to risk shaking up the sentiments of the silent majority has not yet come with alternative schemes capable of making dent into that majority’s silence.

      • blink

        Dear Ghezae hagos
        do you think his views were evolving to reach as such conclusion to say people first and dump the patriotism and nationalism ? I am asking this because at the moment the doctor seems to abandon his core principle of “Eritrea” , How can he reach on such view similar to weyane attack dog YG ?

  • Ismail AA

    Dear all,

    I have just finished listening to the video of Dr. Berekhet. I also perused through some of the worthy rejoinders by dear forumers – in fact before I had time to listen to what our good brother had to say. I thought, hence, making a few observations without going to much detail, or risking the repeat of what other fellow forumers had posted under this thread that shifted gears and been supplanted by what Dr. Berekhet had said and dominated the material about the infamous regime ambassador in Egypt.

    1. Dr. Berekhet has demonstrated commendable courage in expounding his views in the background of his experience that reflected many disappointments he expressed with a measure of bitterness. His views have evolved from lived and first hand experiences. For sure, his position now could be considered as a welcome addition to a rarity of our elites’ gradual emergence of awareness about the root, and sadly postponed, problems that have been ailing our nation for so long. The expansion and broadening of such an elitist consciousness is what would galvanizes the rallying of the masses of ordinary citizens if they could gather their acts and discharge of their obligations to society to forge in to credible forces capable of tackling the root problems of their nations as Dr. Brekhet demonstrated in this video.

    2. Dr. Berekhet is one of the few upper echelon Eritrea’s learned class of intellectuals who delved in to the root problem that contagiously affects every move Eritreans make towards creating political or social clusters. This is the Moslem-Christian divide that our founding fathers had understood much better than the later generations, and that no amount of public relations campaigns, indifferences and complacencies was able to diminish. Of course, in our small world that runs on political and social correctness which our liberation era cultures had reinforced, common people do not dare to raise voices on the matter. But the fact remains that it is a crucial national homework that that needs to be settled. Its effects frequently spoil otherwise smooth and flawless conferences to end up in contradiction and up in fake compromises during the stage of electing leaderships. Whether we like it or not the problem of Moslem-Christian divide is ubiquitous and alive, and denying it would not serve any purpose. I hope some hot-headed in this forum would not read what I am saying in outlandish way and brand me as begot of sorts.

    3. On the doctor’s remarks about nationalism which drew many comments from some our worthy forumers, I read him with a measure of pragmatism and cool mind in the context of the narration of his experience. I did not see him less patriotic, envious and cherishing than myself of the hard-won territorial and political sovereignty of nation. He was expounding his views in the context of the policies and behavior of the regime since its accession to power. I could understand him when I soberly consider what meaning patriotism and nationalism would give families having 6 to 15 year olds in jails, or fighting the trauma of sending their minors to shoot-to-kill risk crossing the borders to neighboring country. His notion that sovereignty and its concomitant concepts of patriotism and nationalism should serve citizens first than becoming rallying calls to shield the calculated interests of the regime that deliberately sustains them by way of stirring wars and spilling the blood of youth is understandable. If patriotism and nationalism in the name of sovereignty becomes returns less investment in blood and sweat just to keep a ruthless regime in power, questioning its value and efficacy of those concepts in the context of the timely need to resetting national priorities is legitimate in my view. I think this is the point the good doctor was trying to make and not trying to negate the essence and manifestation of national sovereignty. Views that advocate the importance of matters pertaining to sovereignty such as Badume for tactical or even strategic reason for winning the hearts and minds of the silent majority in favor of the cause of the justice seeking movements have so far been helping the regime more than the intended target group. The centrality of Badume in this game should be analyzed in that context. Actually, if experience could serve us as reference, it was not insisting on of restoration of sovereignty through protracted military and political struggle that rallied our people’s ranks behind the liberation fronts starting from mid-1974. The liberation war raging on for more than decade since 1961 and was operating under almost similar conditions as the current circumstance in regard to the opposition. In my view, it was the way the event in Ethiopia under the Derg, among other internal and external factors, had turn out that changed the mood and awareness of the bulk of the Eritrean elites of the time that rallied them to become source of emulation to ordinary Eritreans and mobilized them to join the liberation fronts in masses. There is no reason why the same would not be repeated if the likes of Dr. Berekhet increase in number and demonstrate leadership.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ismailo,

      Well said brother. For all the years, the kind of excuses you heard of the so called opposition made them to get stuck without any meaningful movements. They were paralyzed by what the regime frames our realities. The reaction was simply to decontextualized the argument of Dr. Bereket. Look haw saay how he argued, If we say this or that, the regime supporters will say this and that. How could we fight (we the opposition), if we let the regime to frame our issues? Let me join Paulos to echo his admiration “ከማኻ ይብዙሑ ይሰስኑ! ንሃገር ይዕሰልዋ;;

      regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Haile S.

        Selam Emma,
        I thought I overheard your ጸሎት

        ናይ ዕለት መግብና
        ……ናይ ሓሳብ ፍልልይና
        ……ዘከራኽረና ዝብላሓና
        ……ተዛሪቡ ዘዛርበና
        ……ነፍኹሰሉ ሓሳባትና
        ……ነውርድሉ ስክፍታና
        ……ንድርብየሉ እንጽርጽሮትና
        ……ናይ opposition oppositioንና
        ሎሚ ሃበና

        ስርላም ኮኸብና
        ኣይትጠራጠር ክምለስየ ናብ ጀበና

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Aman and Paulos,
        Thanks for the compliment. I just do very cursory in puts after learning and being inspired by the valuable contributions you two, as well as other dear commenters, provide. I have high regard to all who contribute in this wonderful forum irrespective of whether or not I agree with them. Thanks to all.

  • Selam All,

    The type of electoral system and the electoral law to be discussed by the ethiopian political parties is indeed a news. A different type of electoral system that may replace (correct) the previous one that ended up with the infamous meto-be-meto, could enhance the democratization process in ethiopia.
    “Eprdf proposed a mixed type of electoral system, proportional representation + the old plurality electoral system + increase in the the number of seats of the parliament, (although increasing the overall parliamentary seats means more salary earning politicians and not improved parliamentary democracy). On the contrary, the 12 political parties that recently formed a coalition, proposed the full implementation of proportional representation, mentioning that the old ‘plurality electoral system’ was the main problem in ethiopian politics. Other political parties have put their points, as well. I hope A.H will say few words on this.

    http://www.waltainfo.com/news/detail/33523

    • Selamat Horizon,

      Pretty clever maneuver. I wonder if the fish will bite?

      tSAtSE

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Horizon,

      The complain of the opposition parties I think was on the electoral laws. The good things is they are negotiating on it, and I hope they will come with something that satisfy them all. Electoral laws are always amended to correct irregularities. Remember voting irregularities are common in every election everywhere, even in the countries that has long history in democratic elections, including US. The question is how bad was it to change the outcome of the elections. If the irregularities changes the outcome, it is a major problem in the electoral law.

      One important I read in the link you provided us, they are raising the issue of minorities in their negotiations. The issue of representation is crucial in diversified nations like Ethiopia.

      I could not say more than this, as the Ethiopians understand their realities than me or any Eritrean outsiders. We wish them to come to a compromise and with laws that bring fair representation in the parliamentary composition.

      Good luck

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes – Sir,

        Isn’t good enough Brother ?

        “One important I read in the link you provided us, they are raising the issue of minorities in their negotiations. The issue of representation is crucial in diversified nations like Ethiopia. So they are in the right direction.”

        KS..

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear brother Horizon.

      Have you visited Jebena page today? Just visit now…

      እንዲያው ሩቅ ይሆን ቅርብ :
      የምንተያየው ህዝብ ለህዝብ ::

      KS,,

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Horizon,
      I think it is a good move if it emanated from pure initiative of the ruling party. It can shake the dynamics of the challenging that pervaded the political scene in the past year or more. I consider it as a positive mark of the evolving democratic experience. Opening venues for the opposition parties to interact with conditions could reduce tension in the interest of peace and stability that are crucial for sustaining the economic gains the country has been making. The developments I had witnessed in the country after I returned back to visit after almost three decades especially on the field of roads and railways, education and health services are commendable compared to our own nation. The tempo in the direction of development should not be thwarted by political discords. I hope the current negotiation shall produce unifying electoral schemes that shall help the country transformation on track.

      • Selam Ismail AA,

        Those who try to build walls between the two people will fail in the long run, and the two countries will develop economically side by side.
        The obsession with the aggressive macho politics, if I can say so, from both sides, will lose fervor and support, and will be replaced by mutually beneficial and good neighborly politics of cooperation. It is a matter of time.

  • iSem

    When the Train Careened
    Hi All

    First by way of humour, I would like to criticize Sal for stripping the good old train its endearment. Eritrean train, yes the train that Wed Sheik Sang for, “the trained ambled and strolled from keren to Asmera, Oh train please give my warmest regards to my peers and my friends, the sons of water of Adkemom and Mai DeArit….”
    Sal, how dare you where is the “atHaloyet” for babur.It is Baburay Yigebeyka!
    There is these desire, almost anguished desire to worship and venerate the real estate called Eritrea and that is why whenever one tells the truth many opposition members fasciculate, it is understandable, I do too, mildly, from time to time but the level at which they twitch is almost PFDJsique , but PFDJ pretend to, because they do not give a hoot about neither the realesate nor the people, that is why they sell any part of both to the highest bidder: they sold Badme to TPLF in exchange of destroying ELF, they are selling the ports to the Arabs and they sold Eritrean, young women to the Arabs both by collaborating with the Rashaidas and by acting as employment agency and selling them to work as maids and getting the lion’s share of their wages.
    But the members of the opposition, they truly agonize, unlike the PFDJ
    Now, when Dr. Bereket said that he is ashamed as Eritrean when the opposition talks bout border and sovereignty, what is wrong with that. I am too! From his writing he has witnessed the devastation when all of us obsess with the land, that is not going any where and sea that existed since before Moses crossed it.

    The border and sovereignty are irrelevant when the human who will enjoy the sovereignty and till and mine the land is being destroyed and that is to say the opposition has its priory reversed. A few years ago, in one of my thinking bursts I commented that the opposition must abandon the idea of fighting the PFDJ and unite in working to save the ppl from humialtion of the Rashaidas by sneaking in the borders and saving Eritreans from the human trafficking and organ harvesting, that called truly liberating the people, they are still talking about things that are luxury to Eritreans—sovereignty and demarcation and the bravery of yesterday years that is also going no where, as it is indelibly seared in our minds and will only be destroyed if the Eritrean human is destroyed
    To be fair, the apprehension from the compatriots in the opposition pooh-poohing the border and soeverigig is understandable: the people will not trust them; well if one is right, then one should not worry. It like the debate we had whether the opposition should be in Ethiopia or not and that was one dumb debate because the opposition was so right to be in Ethiopian, now 20 years later the ppl is running to Ethiopia, even those who railed against the very notion and the issue had died
    If your people are humiliated and destroyed, and the society is littered with mental illness due to citizens running away from their country and braving the Deseret, tell me what will the Denden and Bisha and Zara god for, except fetishes and you have nothing to be proud of them any way, we have no part in their making.
    There is one country across the sea from Eritrea and the now incanstrated Petros Solomons once said that the Eritreans and Israelites have one common traits their tenacity and several years ago Dr. Aradom of Boston preached the modern Hitler’s though (YPFDJ) and told them you have to be like the Jews, get educated and be successful. Both comments sound harmless on the surface, they are giving good example of successful county, but deeper and in practice PFDJ and its supports immolated the bad behavior of Israel not the good things, PFDJ do not emulate the vibrant democracy, they do not every how Israel have revived its language, they do not mention how it invests in education and they do not care about how Israel cares about its citizens to the point of obsession
    So I say those who have issue what what Dr. Berket said, that heed Isarels odysseys: your Denden and Zara abd Emba Seira and ruba Barka and Hishkib and Girmaika and your Arkokobay and even your Camel your red Sea and your gold in the ground will all be there once your return, healthy, mentally stable, fruitful and multiplied. But if you fetishize all the icons including your marvelous accomplishment in Togoruba and Nakfa and in the way you do not exist and if your existence nominally all the rivers and fruits and zura’mo Hagerkaus are useless

    • saay7

      Hey iSem:

      This is classic iSem:)

      For the record what Petros Solomon said in an interview (just after Eritrean independence) was “Eritreans are the Israelis of Africa.” From the context of the interview, he was clearly referring to the David vs Goliath thing: small country defeats bigger country. And whatever he said then was more than corrected when he described the PFDJ as a fighting machine and the way forward was to hand power to a younger post Ghedli generation, a statement that has contributed to his being in solitary confinement for 16 years now.

      Ah… Dr Bereket. He said that the opposition that obsess over badme are some of his ayatatu (elders). Close your eyes now and think who he is speaking of? Have those people as political leaders written statement and issued policy statements to that effect? Have they held public meetings to that effect? Isn’t the logical conclusion that that is what he heard Ethiopian leaders complaining about Eritreans as opposed to Eritrean oppo leaders actually obsessing over it? In fact, let me challenge you: can u find a single statement by a single oppo “aya” making Badme a priority?

      saay

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Saay,

        I think you are making a huge assumption, unless you know for fact when you said “Isn’t the logical conclusion that that is what he heard Ethiopian leaders complaining about Eritreans as opposed to Eritrean oppo leaders actually obsessing over it?”.

        I don’t know which opposition leaders he was referring to, but I think most of those gurner leaders, the likes of Mesfin Hagos (even thought they are ayatatu) they have been the real source of the problems in dividing the opposition at every level of the struggle.

        Why does he needs to repeat what Ethiopian people said, when he knows for a fact that, the people who we are advocating their land have been displaced permanently.

        What is the difference when you said it yourself that the Kunama have been completely left Eritrea. What difference does it make to kunama, if someone speak about boarder ruling when he knows the priority is removing the regime.

        I think Ismael said it better explaining in the context the Dr. described but you do not have to go far in analyzing “why he is not a politician”, why he should stay in his field etc.

        Sure if this is a mistake then let him learn from his mistake and correct it.

        Where we suppose to find this knows it all politicians, if all we do is discourage those that are willing to fight it the regime head on.

        With respect
        Berhe

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Berhe,

          You are right. You see Berhe, Saay is always like that when he loses a debate. For god’s sake, if we ask him all the hundreds of articles he wrote, will he tell us they are fictions? Who is politicking about PFDJ and the border issue, more than Saay? Who is making political analysis after every speech of the despot? Who is telling us strategical political exits from the crises we are in, like the democratic coup and other transitions? Isn’t he himself the “non politician” he wanted to be called? It is hypocrisy at its height when he advised Dr Bereket not to talk politics, when all of us including himself and those who are ruling the country are not politicians by training in our or their backgrounds? It is normal to lose a debate depending on what side of the debate we are. When Saay lose a debate he does not accept it with grace

        • saay7

          Selamat Berhe Y:

          I am asking since:

          A. Dr. Bereket lives in Ethiopia, where the “ayatat” opposition leaders live,
          B. The ayatat opposition leaders who live in Addis Abeba have never once, in 18 years (since 1999) made Badme an issue, never talked about the border, or occupied land, and have been mercilessly criticized for it,
          C. The Ethiopian government officials and their writers have often said that Eritrean nationalism is deformed, chauvinist and imbued with superiority complex and some of their Eritrean fans have repeated the same accusation,
          D. Isn’t the logical conclusion that Dr. Bereket is not talking about what he heard directly from his ayatat but what he heard indirectly about anecdoctal information as relayed by Ethiopian government officials whose main hobby appears to be recruiting and ditching Eritrean political leaders?

          It is perfectly logical to me.

          saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            You probably know more than what you are sharing so I can’t argue with you because I don’t have all the information. What I am not sure and I don’t think it is helpful is when you said “what he said must have heard it from Ethiopian leaders instead of the actual “ayatatu” or that “he is questioning the Eritrean sovereignty, nationalism” similar to those others who question, or that he “should stay away from politics” or “People first” etc.

            I am not saying he shouldn’t be criticized but I think the “logical conclusion” you drove based on what you said doesn’t seem correct to me. I get it, it’s not necessary to focus on where we have many topics that he has covered. And I understand what you are saying, the Dr. will be criticized and will be asked to explain “the question of sovereignty” where ever he goes on and will derail his agenda which is fair comment.

            However I do not agree that his comments on “nationalism” is questioning Eritrean sovereignty or territorial integrity. I think he is talking about in terms of priorities we need NOT fight the regime in the terms he has set out for us “I am the guard of the nation and I am the guard of the territorial integrity” and “if PFDJ is removed then, Eritrea will fall to the hands of Ethiopia and we will lose our independence” and instead we should fight it that the regime is the source of our problem.

            I agree HA and others want to capitalize on that, but by far his comments have nothing to do with YG and his views.

            What I am disagreeing with you is that, we should focus in correcting his narration instead of “assuming” that he doesn’t have the interest of the country and the people at hand by simple implying that “he is repeating what he was told by TPLF” and therefor he should stay away from “Politics”. I think if you have just stayed in focusing on your criticism based on what he said would serve him and others better.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe buddy:

            No no no, I never question anyone’s patriotism at all. I just think people are responding not to what Dr B said but what they heard him say (after they fixed it for him because they agree with his worldview.) This is what he said:

            1. The Eritrean opposition is stuck
            2. It is stuck because of “ertrawi hagerawnet”
            3 .. ብዛዕባ ኤርትራዊ ልዑላውነት ብዛዕባ ዶብ ክዛረቡ ከለው ኣነ ከም ኤርትራዊ የሕፍረኒ ኢዩ…”.

            This is what I am responding to. It is a terrible and politically tone-deaf line; it is inaccurate and given that he is claiming he heard this argument from senior Eritrean oppo leaders Its factually-challenged. God only knows what others are responding to.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y.,
            .
            I appreciate your candor and courage. There is a distinct disconnect in what he is advancing. Perhaps, there is more to it, but then look how he handled the presumed Petros Solomon’s statement of ….Eritreans are the Israelis of Africa. We all know what was meant by it, but saay wanted to white wash and rehabilitate the whole thing and move on.
            It almost looks like picking and choosing personalities for special treatments.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            “Ayatat”really? I have never an Eritrean who plays with adjectives and have the audacity to tag anyone with adjectives when he feels to do it. Damn, Aren’t you then talking the talk of your ayatatka who are ruining the people and the country?

  • Peace!

    Hi Paulos,

    I am heading to a concert and here you are ruining my mood, let me put them in order to save some time.

    1. Didn’t I just said people-to-people is a smart idea, and just like everyone else, I expressed my reservation.

    2. Yes, like million of Ethiopians including Tigreans and Eritreans, I hate WEYANE because it deported, killed and still killing thousands innocent people. I am sure your impeached Nexon was not referring to such type of hate.

    3. Not too long ago here in this very forum you were eulogizing emperors accused of genocide without any regard of pain it might cause given this is an Eritrean website.

    4. The doctors, whom you are serving as a sales man, is smart and I have respect for him like everyone else.

    5 The struggle against PFDJ didn’t start nine years ago as you seem overly impressed. You can ask Salih Johar he can walk you through because you seem to have missed lots of things.

    6. If you are looking for laboratory to experience what you have learned in philosophy class, I doubt Eritrea is the right choice or it will be long long time before she is ready for you.

    Peace!

    • Paulos

      Selam Peace,

      Have fun and enjoy the concert. Don’t drink and drive. Will carry on when you come back.

  • Olana

    Dear Blink
    Recently I have been to Djibouti where Chat/Khat is literally chewed (rather eaten) by almost all the people. At the end of last week for three days the supply of chat from Ethiopia was disrupted due to the conflict between the Oromos and Somalis. Do you know what the Djiboutian do during such chat crises? They buy a lot of bread for the day to keep it in their mouth and chew it just to cheat and make
    the mind think that they are chewing chat. But this will not help as the bread lacks that chemical which creates the stimuli. Likewise what you always do to satisfy you dream of crises is to create lies about Ethiopia. You are missing things whenever you blink. Stay awake for the whole picture.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Olana, are denying there are major and dangerous issues in Ethiopia? Forget what happened in Djibouti. Do you know what happened in Moyale? Do you know the 130 heavy trucks loaded with Sugar that were destined to Kenya but stranded in Moyale for the last 45 and all sugars melted away due to extreme temperature.? do you who belonged the130 trucks loaded with Sugar? do you know why they failed to cross to Kenya? You are the one you should Stay awake and pack your belongings. The END is here.

      • Olana

        Dear Nitricc
        The above comment I posted earlier was also relevant to you. I do not understand what you are talking about. A lot more serious than the sugar you mentioned is happening in the country. Ethiopia is a huge country with a lot of problems to be addressed every day. I am always awake not only to the situation in Ethiopia but also in Eritrea. BTW when is your predictions in Ethiopia to happen? You are so funny to talk about melting sugar while a lot of your people are melting in the hands of DIA.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Olana; Nice try. My prediction are already happening. Don’t pretend like you don’t know who was caught transferring 130 trucks full of Sugar from the poor Ethiopians to Kenya who got caught and stranded in Moyale a border town to Kenya where the Sugar melted away to waste. Nice try to pretended like nothing happen while Karituri a toothless and deceptive Indian company taking you court. Nice to ignore the Israelis are coming after you for every penny you don’t have. this is just what is happening this month. Can you imagine what is to follow? Why do you think TPLF started the ethnic conflict between the Oromo and the Somalies? To tell you the truth, after a very long no peace no war situation that was designed by TPLF to kill Eritrea, today that cold war is over. Eritrea once again have prevailed while the Weyane tick tick tick tick tick tick boooooooooom!

          • Olana

            Dear Nitricc
            Suger, Karituri, Israel news are all over the local news. What about the news that your PFDJ is declared to be a dead dog by the Ethiopian government, in case you miss?

  • Haile Zeru

    ሰላም ሰመረ
    “ኣዕናዊ ምንቅስቃስ ናይ ’73” ዝርእስቱ ንእሽተይ መጽሓፍ ኣንቢብካ ትኸውን?
    This is a small booklet written by
    most probably IA. It containes the indictment of the members of
    መንካዕ። the booklet written by ከሳስን ፈራድን was telling what the ክሲ was.
    And most of the complaint of the memebers of መንካዕ were the absence of law, as described by IA. That there are no agreed upon sets of rules on the rights and duties of combatants, and Gebar and leadrship.
    Another point that i remember was the newcomers to the front were abused (bitten) to find out if they were informers (ethiopian counter intelligence). The members of መንካዕ were saying, we should find other ways of finding information.
    Still 40 years later you/we are repeating the same thing, and IA
    is doing none of that.
    The absence of constitution is still there. The abuse went even worse and still going on.
    The lives of members of MENKAA were wasted for nothing and so were the lives of many many eritreans.
    So what you are saying was/is already there unresolved for as long as IA is living.

    -The other points you mentioned are repetition. We discussed them several times.
    Minorities do not have a chance to amend a 75% requiring constitution. Only the majority can do that.

    As for me saying IA made the land proclamation in favor of Tigrinya speaking section of our society, I was think it is self evident. If he did not do it, ok, the Tigrinya speaking elite wrote proclamations, Constitution in their favour, to their advantage with minimal consideration of the interests of the othet groups.
    Either way something is wrong with this proclamation and constitution.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile Zeru,
      You hit the nail right on its head when you stated “That there were no agreed upon sets of rules on the rights and duties of combatants, and Gebar and leadrship”. At that time Isayas and his group were more concerned about political survival than venturing to write rules of engagement within and without. The only crime those individuals committed was that Isayas took them as threat to his ambition to be at the top – actually the hidden reason for his split from the ELF. He knew some of them were more brilliant than him and he had to get rid of them under any pretension or pretext.

      • blink

        Dear Mr . Ismael AA
        It is irrelevant what you say now about ELF or EPLF , You may be smart than any one or may be the most cruel from many that does not matter because as you know EPLF was not a property of one person when they abondand ELF , there were many and you know them by name they despised ELF leadership due its narrow leadership and henious crimes they committed but that is past , what does it matter that you , Haile .Z, Amanuel , kokhob talk to each other and you feel Mr.Mr bravo only behinde the door. Accept that you guys lost and move on , can not you guys move on and talk about the problem we have now ? no no you will not because you guys are happy to eliminate the history and good will of every Eritrean work. haile zeru is a serial lari when he talk about the land nor does he make any sense when he talk about Ethnic thing. Mark my words ,you guys will be defeated now again , you will never ever see your dream of coloring Eritrea as ethnic thing . There are very wise people that do not go on to haile .z level of lies .defeat is bad but refusing not to move from that defeat in the face of a horrible dictator is another thing.

    • iSem

      Merhababo Haile Zeru:
      There is really nothing I disagree with in this comment.
      If you have not notices from our previous debates, I hate the const, I abhor the land proclamation , I consider IA and co as bandits who misled the rank and file and IA and co is nothing but the unholly alliance of two functions: the Tigriniya and Tigre (Tigre from certain area,) and as u said wrecking havoc until now ruling with brute.
      But what I was saying was if by some miracle that const. was implemented in Eritrea, even the minority will be still better off, no?
      About the minority representation in current Eritrea, I agree with u. IA may have whispered in the ears of the highlanders he is doing it for them, the highlanders may have deluded themselves to thinking, if it is going to be eaten, let the hyena of our village eat it (miblae mbliee zbiE…) and may think it is for their benefits, but the reality in the ground is that they are suffering, they are being kidnapped by the Rashaida, they are been raped by ISIS, their organs are been harvested by Raishada and their compatriots alike as much as the other Eritreans in many cases even more than everyone else.
      Eritrea by virtue of its small. fragmented, tiny ethnic makeup, is a heaven for dictators, the tiny minority are been ethnically cleansed, I believe that but they do not have the wherewithal to make a dent in changing the government, that is our fate and we have to a do a better job at addressing the real issue
      As i always every member of our ethnic group who was privy to IA’s MO and was in a position of power in EPLF/PFDJ is responsible for the things you summarized above.
      we have a society that is in disarray when opposing its tormentors, but in total unity to destroy itself

      • Haile Zeru

        Wow!!! Semere Andom,

        I wish the rest of your peers had the same level, degree of clarity. How many friends
        (I mean really friends..) do you have?
        How many of them agree with you?
        I wish you could tell me more than I am thinking.

        Regards,

        • iSem

          Hi Haile: Taking your question at face value, if there is not ecrpyption to it, here is my answer:-)
          I have many friends, good friends, non of them agree with me.
          They think I am a renegade and sold out, they question my Tigriniga ethnicity

          • Haile Zeru

            ሰላም ሰመረ፥
            Thank you for your honest answer. BTW ኣነ’ውን ከምኡ እየ ዝጽበ ነረ።

            ሰናይ መዓልቲ

          • Haile Zeru

            You see Semere,

            The country has enough resources for everbody and more. It is only a question of management. Resources allocation.
            Our problem is, if i think as gain what I snatch from you and viceversa we will be the proverbial ክልተ ጎረሓት.
            ሓሙኽሽቲ ክንሰንቕ ኢና።
            I think the Biher Tigrinya elite think they are entitled to everything Eritrea can offer over and under ground.
            Unfortunately over ground there are some other ethnic groups that are saying what about us?
            If the majority (of the elites) develope yours and Emma’s level of awareness it is possible to hammer a mutually beneficial rules. But the way it is now it seems we are far from it.
            This is IA’s fortune. We will go on beakering between us and he will stay till nature takes over.
            As you implied it seems the minorities do not have the power to dislodge him and the majority is looking at the gains, near perfect land proclamation and equally near perfect constitution as far as they are concerned.
            Now what better goodies can an opposition deliver or promise? There is nothing left to give the majority to entice it to fight. Actually there will be some take aways.
            The things an opposition can promise is peace, security, harmony, democracy etc…

            To overcome this paralyses the opposition has to market those strengths.
            Which in the face of ethiopian real or immagined aggression the goodies the opposition can deliver are paling.
            I hope you will have a better insight to unlock our trouble.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Sem,

        You are “Dawit ende libey” as the bible says. You have a clear and unadulterated mind who doesn’t falter with time and circumstances. I tip my hat for you, young brother.

        Amanuel Hidrat

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi Semere Andom,

        I already wrote my appreciation for your clear vision of our present reality. Somehow Disqus is not finding it digestible. The only thing that I can say and hope is KEMAKHA YBZUHU. May be then we will find a solution.

        Regards,

  • Paulos

    Selamat Good People,

    They say, your life experience is what you have been paying attention to. Wrong outcomes are the results of wrong priorities and paying attention to wrong and trivial issues as well instead of focusing on real issues. That was precisely the theme of his topic when he took the podium to speak the last but of course not the least. Dr. Bereket Berhane Weldeab spoke with vigor and elequence in London where he at long last seems to have a clear grasp of the Eritrean dire reality. People who have lost their sense of direction still talk about Bad’me and the Hegue verdict when the question we need to ask is a moral question to the extent some folks give the regime a helping hand as they pressure Ethiopia to pull out of Bad’me. He went on to say that, his stay in Ethiopia gave him a clear perspective and prospect about the reality in Eritrea as opposed to the rest of us either in Europe or North America who are lost in the morass of confusion. I say the guy will go far and for those of us who have been waiting for “Moses” on the mountain, he at least seems to have the aura. Talking about the Constitution or the border is anachronistic in terms. Put it to rest for its time will come!

    • Nitricc

      Hey P: where the hack have you been? I remember you every morning what ever i serf for current news and views through my now found web-site news, vox, that was commanded by none but the great P. the way they explain and dissect to the heart of their news is just great. Thanks P you have saved me from all the garbage web-sites i used to serf. I meant to tell you this but you disappeared for a long time. You should stop by more often. Thanks P.

      • Paulos

        Nitrikay ma lil bro,

        Glad to hear that. And get the habit of reading “Theatlantic com” as well particularly Ta-Nehisi Coates articles. He is considered James Baldwin of this era. I am proud of you!

    • Haile S.

      Good to see you here Paul,
      It would be preferable if “Moses” does not put his stick between Badme’s legs either. Good points for the rest.

      • Paulos

        Selamat selamat Hailat,

        That’s funny. The guy raises great points. If you haven’t watched the video, it is on Assenna.

        • Haile S.

          Hi Paulos,
          I heared Bereket’s interview. For me it was generally a forward solution looking talk. However, it contains too many zoom-in and zoom-out from microscopic things to large hisorical happening that complicated or diluted the intended message. Due to commulative despair, he appeared to have resigned to all except to every instrument is good to bring down the Eritrean leadership. The first question from a Samson was interesting that tries to bring together to reason and to bridge the gap between the pro- and against youth groups orgs. It reminded me of Yohannes Zerai’s post, hitting the enemy where it hurts the most and the several strategies YZ discussed there. But Bereket chose to responde by giving examples of what he saw recently in Geneva hinting that such attempts suggested by Samson may end up like he saw in Geneva. It appears, he did not want to entertain those ideas. Tzigereda had nicely said, but let me repeat. He expressed his incomprehension of opposition leaders talking of ናይ ኤርትራ ልዑላዊነት and present it as if it was their daily slogan/prayer. This is the first time I hear that opposition use such expressions, ልዑላዊነት. On the contrary many are those who reproach the absence of such vocabulary in oposition’s talks. The first and last time I heard ልዑላዊነት was from Ethiopias leaders and their serrogates following the 1998 war and on. Like many has said it, I liked very much his exposee on the medical crisis in Eritrea few years back. When great people like him talk they better keep the mole small avoiding seeing it as a Mammoth.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I generally agree with the points you raised particularly Bereket’s forward looking drive. I get reminded about a line in Terence Malick’s great movie “Thin Red Line” where it says, “In peace sons bury their fathers, in war father’s bury their sons.” What is so bizarre and abnormal about Eritrea is that in peace fathers are burying their sons and if I can use the timeless Hemingway’s description of the 20s, the present generation in Eritrea is “The Lost Generation.”

            That spot on recognition at the very heart of the Eritrean predicament is what Bereket’s theme was based on. The issue is not about the Constitution, border or contrasting differences between either pressure groups, civic groups or political catalogs, it is how to salvage the Lost Generation. He said the clear and present danger in Eritrea is a moral question. Moreover, he called upon all of us to commit in anyway possible to isolate the regime. A surgeon would isolate a malignancy before he or she cuts it out. That precisely is his timely and effective prescription.

            P.S. I wonder if he is Pero’s brother. The resemblance is striking.

          • Haile S.

            Paulos,
            I am not Troy Dunn. I am not playing the locator.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Paul,
            Sorry for my ‘slap on the wrist’ you Aigle eye !

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Now that you asked, I believe he is.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Who is Pero pls?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Emma,

            Paulo may know him better. But I knew him doing many things..he is Asmarino chew zebele…he was a DJ, a promoter, business man, and Chef..he owns a restaurant. Eritean’s Anthony Bourdain
            style.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Emma,

            Pero owns restaurant-bar in Toronto. Perhaps the most famous Eritrean restaurant among Eritreans arguably in the world. Pero is short for Petros.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P; let me ask you with question I have struggled to answer for my self. What is the difference between Ethiopian and Eritrean restaurant? I am talking the food wise . of course there are differences in music played, language spoken and flag displayed but is there any other differences when it comes to the food?

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            It is a great question and often times may sound benign if you will but has or it could have far reaching implications.

            In reality, there is no much difference if any but the question we need to ask is, do the dishes served either in Eritrean or Ethiopia restaurants represent every culture or staple food if you will of every segment in the respective societies. If I have to pull Marxist tenets on you, I say, the dishes represent the reflection of the dominant class or segment of the society—the central highlands.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            Of course, there is a difference. Let me answer it directly, so that you never have to struggle with it anymore. There is nobody in the world that can make enjera and doro woT like a Gojame or Menz woman, period. The enjera these folks make is soft and wholesome, their woT, finger licking good. Next case.
            .
            Now I have your complete attention let me change the subject a little bit. You always bring up unrelated topic to change the discussion. I wanted to focus on something about border conflict I read few days ago. It was a military shooting conflict. You know where it was?
            China and India.
            China with a billion and half give or take a 100,000,000 million people is armed with nuclear weapon.
            India ” ” ” ” ” .
            .
            Do you know they have had this problem for over 50 years. You know how they deal with it, they sit down and talk about it for a year at a time. When an accident or a soldier makes a mistake, they pull back their military and start talking again for another year.
            You know, I venture to say half the nations of the world have a border problem with their neighbors. The only time it becomes an all consuming problem is when the leader faces a domestic survival chasm that he does not have a solution for. It is a distraction.
            .
            What do you think? I hope your struggles are over.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Paulos

            Hey Berhe,

            Yea I thought so. Thanks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Paulosay,

            I listened to the speech of Dr Bereket last night. I have no problem on his speech by my side. In fact he was stressing on prioritizing our struggle to save the young generation who lost every hope under the cruel regime and leaving the nation in droves. The message of the good doctor also reminded us that the issues that ails the old generation did also ails our young generation. He explained by putting in to prospective the divisions of the various youth organization in the diaspora. It should be welcome. I don’t understand these all criticism.
            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            Bereket said something I thought was revealing onto the mind of the younger generation. He said, in a casual meeting with two young Eritreans with an advanced degrees and who happened to be products of erstwhile high ranking officials but of course in prison, they spoke with interest not about the pressing issues such as the gross human rights violations which hits home for both of them but they spoke with interest about a fringe movement as in the Agazians. That is really telling how the generation is not only lost but confused as well. It is with in this time of confusion that fringe movements capitalize the most.

            If the Jebha-ShaEbia divide and its impact on the historiography including its negative impact on the youth’s psych-make up is to be blamed, Jebha’s perennial attempt to vindicate or absolve itself should be left to the judgement of history for obsessing about it is anything but constructive. Gandhi among other things famously said, “If a man wants to build the world, he should first start with himself.” Glossing over it ad infinitum should stop on the older individual. Instead the older generation should focus on the issues which matter the most.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Emma,

            My critic is on some of his statements and not on one of his messages that we, the opposition should learn to prioritise ( which has been said thousand times by almost all dembe tftHi, so, nothing new, zeytegerbre ember zeytebahle yelen).

            One of his statments is ” iti xegem ertrawi hagerwnet iyu” and he defines ” ertrawi hagerawnet” mainly by the wars the eritrean government led against the neighbouring countries. This is a mind bogling discription of ” hagerawnet”. The definition of a state, a government, a nation and patriotism is never the same. Eritrean patriotism or eritrean identity is not something an eritrean should feel ashamed of as some are trying to convince us (this is becoming trendy since recent years: “Ertra tbehal hager yelan”, Ghedli is the cause of the whole mess”, “Tegadelti were/ are shefatu”).
            My understanding of ” Ertrawi hagerawnet” has nothing to do with the way PFDJ defines it. Eritreanism is as interesting or boring as Ethiopianism etc. ሕልፊ ካልኦት ወይ ትሕቲ ካልኦት ንሕኾነሉ ምኽንያት የለን.

            The eritrean people can not be held responsible for the crimes of Isaias & Co. No, we, the people should not allow to share his brutality. This group ( Isaias & Co) neither defines “Ertrawi hagerawnet” nor do they represent the majority of Eritreans . For this, it matters a lot what exactly a mobiliser ( in this case Dr. Bereket Berhane) tells the audience.

            I salute him for his dedication and I hope he will reconsider the above points and more which were also partially discussed at the conference.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Sis Tzegereda,

            My critic wasn’t to critic your critics. It was a general critic though it also implies to you. Here is my take on the good with a little background on the topic of discussion: I don’t remember exactly the date and year we debated, but I recall we debated on the difference of “people’s sovereignty” and “land sovereignty” as to their importance of the two concepts and their priorities in our current struggle. We didn’t settle the argument. The ultra-nationalists gave the importance of “land sovereignty” than “people’s sovereignty” while the other side of the argument that includes me, our emphasis was on the “people’s sovereignty” as oppose to “land sovereignty.” Remember this argument was in relation to the “border issue” and the “suffocation of our people” under the cruel regime, discussing how to prioritize them. So the argument was relative with time and circumstances that we are confronted with.

            Myself, having this background of understanding on the issue itself, I honestly perceived that Dr. Bereket Berhane wasn’t against our “land sovereignty” in his discussion, rather he was saying what good is good a “country” without the “people”, if our people are disintegrating and leaving the nation in droves, to save their lives and seek adapting countries. Looking from this perspective of understanding, the good doctor is demanding to regain the “sovereignty of our people”as soon as possible before we lose our young generation, and as long as our Eritrea is sovereign country, the border issue can be solved in our foreseeable future, with a new diplomatic government that understand how international politics work, and understand the importance of talking in a round table with its counterpart.

            On the issue of priorities, he criticized the opposition camp. As long as we are part of the opposition camp organized or not, we have to accept the criticism. And like what you have said, that criticism is not even new to us. But it will not be bad if we are reminded. So Bitseyti Tzegereda that is I how I look in to the comment of Dr. Bereket Berhane.

            Senay Mishet
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            Eritrea= people+ land, you don’t need to shortchange one for the other. I have never heard any “ultra nationalist” who oppose PFDJ advocating that until Eritrean borders are secured the people should be oppressed. Never. What i read is that those people you accuse of ultra nationalism simply call for the recognition and implementation of EEBC ruling while at the same time calling for the reign of rule of law as applied to the people. What is wrong with that? So, my friend it is your right to downplay or even blur the issue as the Dr.tried to do, but don’t blame others. You could not separate people and land, and advocating for the rule of law in issues of territorial sovereignty does not eclipse the call for justice, or the call for rule of law in its human sense.
            You can genuinely and simultaneously fight for the sovereignty of the people AND the land. Lokk at the bewildered faces of the young couple when the doctor refused to redress his stand on the border; and those are young couple whose parents are languishing in prisons. Look how Samsom tried to cue Dr,Brereket; Amanuel Eyyassu also tried, but Dr, Bereket was dismissing it. I could hear the same narration from the cadres of wayane. So, why should I waste my time waiting for it to come out of the mouth of Dr.Bereket? It is all the same. It does not matter if it comes from TPLF cadres or from an Eritrean who volunteers to become their megaphone. This is the sorry state of the minds of some of our “enlightened” lots.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Please don’t feel the pain, but only the megaphones of PFDJ can call them megaphone of Wayne to those who are on the opposite of their views. Call Saay to defend you now when he failed to defend the good doctor.

          • saay7

            Anta Hawna Emma:

            Kan? We (Tzigereda and I and I think Haile) are not responding to what Dr Bereket said ( a 2-part interview) but to the fact that Paulos chose to highlight the most cringe-worthy moment of the presentation: that Eritrean nationalism is the biggest problem. This will be on the video loop of every YPFDJ and PFDJ cadre school to tag the entire opposition as being anti nationalism. This was an unforced error as they say in American football and the claim that this is all that consumes Senior opposition leaders (Ayatat as he put it) is not credible to me (or as Haile S put it more politely: never heard it before.)

            MaHmuday on the other hand is responding to your new pol sci division (man, you invent one every week) that there is “land sovereignty” and “people sovereignty.” He is saying, accurately, there is no such thing. The debate in the world now is thsy internationalism and international conventions have diluted and infringe on State sovereignty. If there is a “land” vs “people” sovereignty literature out there, please share–even if it is some weirdo Swedish guy.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay7 and others,
            I thought the issue is more about choice of terminology than substance. Territorial versus people’s(s’) sovereignty can be interchangeably understood in the framework international legal system (community of nations) and its domestic applications that have to do with supremacy of people’s(s’) prerogatives in determining and distributing laws and authorities thereof.

          • MS

            Ahlan Ustaz IsmailAA
            I think the context is important here. The doctor was complaining of the fact that the major impediments to founding an effective front was nationalist sentiments. He called for trashing patriotism, he downplayed the importance of the border issue; he basically narrated the same way the Ethiopian government narrates it, from its genesis to its end; he stressed that borders are not important, etc. When the participants tried to get him to clarify his statements, he even became more belligerent saying that the task should be to penetrate/break and smash Eritrean nationalism, “Knenbklo alena; btntn kneblo alena,” he said. It is within this context that I replied to Emma. Essentially, the doctor was downplaying territorial integrity and sovereignty of Eritrea. One man even stood in his support saying “Let’s tell Ethiopia take Badme, what are they going to do?” He was suggesting that Eritreans should forget about the occupied areas and about the border. The campaign is for de-emphasizing the border between the two countries. He was saying : We are the same people…”. And I’m saying you could be a patriot and a justice fighter; we should not forgo one for the other. You can’t say Eritrean people without having a people within a defined territory. Therefore, the sovereignty of the people and territory are inseparable. How is that downplaying Eritrean territorial sovereignty will help galvanize people? The theme of the past seventeen years has been this same misguided notion of appeasing Ethiopia. It has not worked in the past, and there is no indication that it will work now that Dr.Bereket has stressed it. Sorry, I’m writing in a hurry.

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah ustaz MS,
            I didn’t comment to what the good doctor said. Actually, I have not listen to the video yet because I usually reserve those things for the weekend. My comment was initiated by what I read in the usage of terms in regard to sovereignty in the context of the comment of Aman and rejoinders from you and saay7. I just threw a few words about how I understand the concept in connection to people and territorially delineated entities. Anyway, thanks for summarizing what the Dr. Berekhet said; you have made my listening to the video easier.

          • MS

            Ahlan IsmailAA
            I don’t want to be unfair to Dr.Bereket. His appraisal of the efforts of the past years is spot on. It was good. The point on sovereignty and nationalism was mentioned at the end of his presentation, and it was obvious from his body language that he had expected such criticism. It was not a slip of tongue thing. And that is what’s worrying. But the rest of his presentation was something that has been regurgitated by many political gurus. mbgas eyu tesa’einu ember nbeges zbls bzuH eyu. zsemr eyu tesa’inu ember nsmer zbls bzuH eyu.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay (Aya AdiU),

            Let me clear few things before I go to the subject at hand – the concept “sovereignty” and its broad meaning:

            First, wishing to have a good day of understanding to each other. Second, let me repeat is again and again, that the terms and concepts I am using them are not mine. They are from the belly of international scientific scholars. Third, get cure from this disease of “believing American scholars only”. After all most Amarican scholars are imported scholars from all over the world. So your attitude to the Swedish scholar is bizarre to its nature or way off from scholastic ethics to say the least. I don’t know how you consider yourself, but a scholar can not say “weirdo” to his fellow scholar. As simple as that. And you don’t win argument by such approach.

            Now back to our debate: And I hope this comment will save me from writing an article on it.

            Background: The concept of sovereignty have been discussed and evolved throughout history and are still actively debated, as we speak. Its definition, its concept, its application has changed accordingly from the age of enlightenment up to now. This reminds me Jefferson’s living remark that says, when people “becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change…..”. So not only the concept of “sovereignty” is evolved but also has a wider meaning. I will mention few for purposes of understanding the diversity of the meaning of the word “sovereignty” and how to use them accordingly in their proper way.

            (a) Territorial sovereignty***: The concept of sovereignty in international relation, Stephen Krasner described territorial sovereignty as “legal sovereignty” when states recognizing one another as “independent territories”. This shows the authority and the power of the “inscribed people” to the “prescribed territory”. Hence “territorial sovereignty” is one in its kind. Even history recalls, that following the “thirty years of war,” the peace of Westphalian in 1648 has established the notion of “territorial sovereignty.”

            (b) Parliamentary Sovereignty: It is a sovereignty like that in the UK, thus the sovereignty is vested neither in the crown not in the people, but vested in the “Monarch in parliament” which becomes the fundamental principle of the “British constitution.”

            (c) External sovereignty: It is the relationship between sovereign power and other states

            (d) Popular or people’s sovereignty: “It is the principle that the authority of a state and its government is created and sustained by the consent of its people, through their elected representatives (Rule by the People), who are the source of all political power. It is closely associated with social contract philosophers such as Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Popular sovereignty expresses a concept and does not necessarily reflect or describe a political reality.[a] The people have the final say in government decisions. Benjamin Franklin expressed the concept when he wrote, “In free governments, the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns”. Donald S. Lutz had to say this on People’s sovereignty: “To speak of popular sovereignty is to place ultimate authority in the people. There are a variety of ways in which sovereignty may be expressed. It may be immediate in the sense that the people make the law themselves, or mediated through representatives who are subject to election and recall; it may be ultimate in the sense that the people have a negative or veto over legislation, or it may be something much less dramatic. In short, popular sovereignty covers a multitude of institutional possibilities. In each case, however, popular sovereignty assumes the existence of some form of popular consent, and it is for this reason that every definition of republican government implies a theory of consent.”[ Lutz 1980 pp # 10]. Ronald M. Peters also suggested the following as embodying to the meaning of popular sovereignty, and he said “the concept of popular sovereignty holds simply that in a society organized for political action, the will of the people as a whole is the only right standard of political action” (Peters, Jr. 1978, p. 1).

            Dr. Bereket is saying the issue of “territorial sovereignty”, in our case the issue of “Badme” became the playing card of the regime and its followers to hold our people as hostages and to suppress the sovereignty of our people in all forms and shapes to drove our young from their country. In using border issue as a playing card, the regime is involving in to a continuous border conflict with all our neighbors. It is in this context the good doctor is calling to regain the sovereignty of our people in order to protect the territorial sovereignty.

            Have a good day
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Emma Arkey:

            Happy Saturday! I have no intention at all to go into our regularly-scheduled programming of shenkolel. You win!

            The Swedish guy is not a weirdo because he is Swedish, but because he said (or you claimed he said) that Federalism is a form of unitary government. As long as he says that (assuming you accurately summarized his views), he will be a weirdo.

            Going back to Dr. Bereket, here’s my point so you don’t go into a long, dry discussion of the word sovereignty, its origins, or once-upon-a-time stories that a King was called a Sovereign but to focus on whether what he said was (a) accurate; (b) helpful or harmful to our cause. I would rather we focus our discussion on that, and just use what the good doctor said as a springboard, if you agree with my premise below:

            We–Opposition and PFDJ–are in a battle of ideas to win the hearts and minds of the silent majority. If you think the PFDJ has no ideas that are appealing to the silent majority, I refer you to a post Tes wrote about this some time ago, which was enlightening. Tes is relevant because he himself is age-wise and orientation-wise in a position to enlighten us what the YPFDJ and PFDJ types are oriented on. And the BIGGEST of them all is sovereignty. They (PFDJ) have defined sovereignty and how to achieve it as follows:

            1. Sovereignty Defined as: total and complete ownership of your country (in contrast to foreigners) so that you can deflect (or “rebuff” as they call it) foreign intrusion whether that is militarily, or diplomatically.
            2. How to secure sovereignty: Follow a policy of self-reliance, military readiness, and refusal to obey international norms (from UN) if they infringe on State sovereignty.

            You and I and everyone in the opposition know that even by their own standards they have failed miserably: they are not self-reliant (there are 6 UN agencies dispensing aid in Eritrea and the economy is dependent on remittances, the country is one of the heavily indebted nations), they are abysmal failures in diplomacy, and their “military readiness” policy has resulted in massive exile of the people, the same ones who are supposed to defend it. The Eritrean army is now a conscript army which does not agree with the basis for its conscription.

            The question is besides pointing out the flaw in the PFDJ execution of its policy, what is our alternative definition of sovereignty, particularly given that the whole 50 year journey (1941-1991) Eritreans went through was to have the right of self-determination (a form of sovereignty)? Does this struggle for sovereignty focus on returning Badme to the exclusion of all others, as Dr. Bereket said. Is it embarrassing to be a nationalist, as Dr. Bereket said? Is Eritrean nationalism any different from any other form of nationalism (as the T.Kifles, the Hayats, etc used to tell us and with whom you had long debate)? What I am saying, what Tzigereda is saying and what Mahmuday is saying is that Dr. Bereket’s contribution to that debate was not just unhelpful but very damaging but also not factual. And it is an unforced error given his massive prior contribution to enlightening Eritreans on the folly of PFDJ policies. And, no, it doesn’t surprise me one bit that of all the issues Dr. Bereket spoke about Paulos would migrate to it like moth to flame.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selamat Sal,

            I am sure you remember the line, “….Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in…” I am sure you have had that kind of moment in your life. Well you get the point. I have never met you in person but by far you’re the most cerebral Eritrean that I have come to know in the cyber world. What I fail to fathom is the fact that, you seem to miss the logical dynamics where the way forward is to focus on what is relevant. And that is precisely what the talking point of Bereket is or was. I say it again, what makes Bereket different from the rest of us is the fact that he has up-close and personal understanding about the perennial angst of the youth as they cross to Ethiopia. And he said, their concern is not about sovereignty but gross human right violations. Bereket says let’s focus on that!

          • saay7

            Hey Paulos:

            Hmmm…so now we are making proximity as the deciding factor for assessing reality? Well then let’s extend that logic and say an Eritrean in Eritrea is closer to Eritrea than an Eritrean in an Ethiopian refugee camp and their testimony is more reliable when given in Eritrea? Sounds very familiar because that’s what I get from our PFDJ friends. But if Eritreans transit via Ethiopia and Sudan and end up in Europe and North America why is their testimony in the latter less credible than when they were in Sudan and Ethiopia?

            Dr Bereket made many points: on the importance of tolerance, adopting the culture of compromise (between pro gov and oppo Eritreans), the corrosive influence of Agazian chauvinists, etc. From all his points why did you endorse the one dealing with his faux pas, discounting the value of nationalism? It’s a self-defeating argument because if I am not a patriot and if I am not a nationalist why would I care for an Eritrean more than, say, someone from Burundi?

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Who is the issue here? Me or Bereket? I merely stated my opinion about his presentation and before I knew it, my take became an issue as in ሓትነይ ሻሹ would say it ዓርኪ ዋሕስ ኢሎም ዘበጡኒ. In any case, as they say, time is the hidden factor and I would not be surprised if we debate about the same thing say in 2027 when we fail to pay attention to the issues that matter the most.

            P.S. I am still laughing about the caveat—if one reads Emma’s rebuttal. Thing is, brain cells do not regenerate as in they slip into scenesence.

          • Thomas

            Hi Saay,
            Could it be because they could open up a little more because they feel they have escaped the pfdj’s prison camps. Actually, leaving Eritrea under pfdj regime feels like liberating & that is the only day you realize & understand how to be free is….,, i’m just saying

          • saay7

            Thomas:

            Of course, people are freer when they leave Eritrea and speak more openly. I was dealing with Paulos dismissal that those of us further out are in lala land and we don’t hear the stories of our traumatized youth. Two things I have never heard from theach m “gee if only Weyane left Badme things would be so much better” which exposes the PFDJ falsehood. The other one I haven’t heard is “thank God for the Ethiopian government.” Not once. Now is that because we are an ungrateful people?

            saay

          • Thomas

            Hi Ato Saay,
            One thing people need to know is that Eritrea is a sovereign nation & thanking the weyane for helping the the Eritrean refuges in their country only would encourage them to do more. One thing I for sure know is that our youth are very disappointed & most don’t care about anything but their private lives. How do I know this because I visited Ethiopia 2 years ago. I am sorry but the feeling is different & I completely understand & agree with what the good doctor said. What these kids know is abuse by the ones they thought their own. Other than that, it is not a choice for all of us to love our own nation, but it just comes natural. I don’t have to hate the weyane to show the unlimited love I have for my people & my nation. People should never ask me on how much I love my people & my country, I invite to listen to this song:
            https://youtu.be/a3xo7PQMr7k

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Thomas,

            Though your comment is addressed to Saay, please allow me to interject.

            Every commenter welcomed and praised Dr. Bereket’s talk ( and dedication) about the eritrean refugee, and we sure need more people like him. The disappointment of the youth and that their main aim is to take care of themselves is true ( and this is actually what should be the norm ” take care of oneself”). What is painful is that many of them are not even able to stand on their own, due to low academic background, disintegrated family, physical and psychological torture they endured in Eritrea and on the way to Europe etc, the burden of helping family members in Eritrea, unwelcoming countries ( Eritreans are for example the main topic in the Swiss news paper, not for good) racism and challenges of Integration. Eritreans have since long become substrates for diverse academic researches ( Traumata ad infinitum).

            But since the core problem of all the tragedies is the ruling party in Eritrea, the opposition needs more than people who help refugees, who are activists in civic societies ( which is still premature and needs much better coordination). We need Politicians, statesmanship, to deal with the cause of the misery, to facilitate and run the politics of change, normalizing the relationship of the eritrean/ ethiopian people / states (including border issue) on the governmental level ( here I would nominate Saleh Gadi for for this specific job, just as an example). This doesn’t exclude all efforts ( from people to people) which can be done by even non-political persons, groups ( by this I don’t mean the ” Bright future Eritrea”, who is advertising for ” tigrinya speaking eritreans are Tegaru”, no wonder, they recently were interviewed at Aiga forum).
            Loving or hating your own country has to do with one’s own experience, it may be temporarily or not, and no one can force anybody to do otherwise. But what you expect from a responsible mobilizer, political org fighting for change is not to get stuck by those justified emotions but to lead the movement with a far sighted strategy. Naiveté has no place in politics.
            In a nutshell, what we, Eritreans have yet is ” one man show” on the one side and many mixed actors ( mic available for everybody, ‘ politics as one wishes’ ) ” hubuchbuch” on the other side. And this has to change.

          • Thomas

            Hi Tsigereda,

            Sorry for my late reply to your post above. I agree with your points, but people nowadays are unfortunately used to say “I gachu”. A slip of a word by one is not enough to make lots of judgements. The attitude or perception we have on people. Anyone who does not show enough patriotism when discussing is categorized as an agazion or whatever. I think both leaders of those countries admitted that the war was not about bademe and everyone seemed to be ok with that. However, when Dr. Bereket and our fleeing the nation said badme is irrelevant it is pronounced loudly. People have been signing about Badme for over 16 years, but the good for nothing land is still under the weyane’s hand. May be the good doctor is asking us to focus on the issue that matters must, the human beings/Eritrean society?? Other than that, I agree we need to have an elected government who would represent us and address our concerns to the world community.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas, I know you never think for your self but when you say ” Dr. Bereket and our fleeing the nation said badme is irrelevant it is pronounced loudly.” you are displaying your stupidity. Dr. is paid by your masters the Weyanes i.e. must prompt what the weyane wants. and your feeling youth is because of the refusal the agreement your masters signed. In a way what your saying the 20+ K that paid for Badime a waste. No, a waste is the likes of you who have no dignity even to respect the lives of the hero who gave up their life for their country. Don’t you ever worry, you masters will vacate the land sooner or latter. what a coward you are.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Now you are telling me you care for the 20K who became martyrs in defending the useless land? Yes, I feel very bad for Eritrea to lose her precious ones for a nonsense war. Though, I blame your master DIA for the entire disaster and not willing to avoid the war by his admission was nonsense. I also care more for the ones Eritrea is losing day in and day out now. Of course, for the youth fleeing the nation from the internal enemy, the murderers you happen to worship.

          • Tomas,

            No Lemont, you big dummy! as Sanford would shout to his big dummy son in Sanford and Son.
            The priority is not to encourage Ethiopia and the EPRDF to do more for refugees and encourage more Eritrean youth to cross the border…. Rather, the First priority is to curb significantly Eritrean youth migrants. One way, is to settle and deal through dialogue by solving the “border issue” asap. Where Eritrean know how and man power can be exported for Ethiopian economic and developmental needs due to its sheer market size.

            “oh ‘Lizabethh I comingto join you!!!” These Dummy Lemontes…”ahhhh ‘Lizabeth..” Red Fox as Sanford.

            tSAtSE

          • Thomas

            Hi Tsatsi,
            Nah, I cannot deal with “lekawis” or one who thinks & acts like “kala”😀😀 sorry, I just cannot.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello and Welcome back Paulos!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Let me state two facts to unwind your twisted argument:

            (a) Eritrea is “sovereign country” and is member of the international communities. Because there is a border issue, it doesn’t imply that Eritrea is not sovereign country. You know it and Dr. Bereket Knows it. Google to find how many countries have unresolved border issues, if it helps to your argument. Those countries that has active border disputes did not hold hostages to their people. The current strategic struggle in the opposition camp, can not be dictated by the strategy of PFDJ. We shouldn’t spend our time to react to the propaganda of PFDJ. A potent opposition camp always marched with their own strategy to weaken all the military and political infra-structures of the enemy. Unfortunately we don’t have them. Because we don’t have them, doesn’t mean to spend our time to react to the propaganda of the regime. Rather, we have to continue to struggle to form a formidable opposition. The life of our people is more important than Badme at this time. I am sure you understand the message, but instead defending you allay, you seem you are joining the mantra of PFDJ. Eritrea is a sovereign country, the badme issue will stay there as long as the regime is in power. It becames the sustaining life of Issayas and his party; and as long as we continue only to react to their propagandas and attack to our allies in the struggle, the destitute of our people and our Eritrean kids will also continue.

            (b) Regarding the Swedish scholars work, you didn’t read only my “summary report” as you call it, but you also read the whole study paper b/c it was linked with the article. He is not weirdo, you are weirdo who failed to challenge him with a researched paper, if you are apt too. Second, you accused me about the concept of “sovereignty” and its broad meaning. I gave you the difference of “territorial sovereignty” and “Popular or people’s sovereignty” and many others by quoting few scholars, and still you stuck with your definition. I don’t mind to stuck with your definition, but I abhor one who dismisses and belittled scholars without any reason.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Emma my friend

            Your posts are careening from deadly dull to unreadable. At this rate, they should come with a warning: reading this post will destroy brain cells 🙂

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            “Deadly dull”!! If you insult “scholars”, I shouldn’t be surprised to get one. When you don’t have to say on the argument you always ended it that way. I am used to it for years. Mehret Yewridelka.

          • MS

            MarHaba Emma,
            Why don’t you just link SAAY to Wikipedia (he does not know its presence)? Do you really believe SAAY, Tzigereda, Peace, Mahmuday and the rest are confused about what type of sovereignty we are talking?
            I don’t think so. Dr. bereket was bold in defending his position. You be bold and defend your position. Don’t try to interpret to us what DR.Bereket meant by his statements. He was clear. He had an opportunity to clarify it, to rephrase it, etc. He stressed national borders are not issues we should talk about.
            Second, Paulos and you have been parading his position on territorial sovereignty as a revolutionary or a novel idea. Well, it turns out his suggestion of ignoring territorial integrity and sovereignty is not new. One of the thing that torn apart the participants ion Debrezeity was this same idea. Many patriots left the conference when Aboy Sebhat and Breket Simon of Wayane presented SEinars in which they bashed Eritrean revolution, boasted about TPLF’s role in liberating Eritrea, and that the border issue was not important, etc. Just like you, Dr.Bereket has been a part of the stirring folks of failed projects.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Understand it or not, it was a response to Saay when he asked me this: ” If there is a “land” vs “people” sovereignty literature out there, please share–even if it is some weirdo Swedish guy.” My attempt was to make him aware about the existence of the concepts “ልዕላውነት ህዝቢ” and “ልዕላውነት ሀገር” and many more, in the context of Dr. Bereket’s argument. The concepts not only exist but they stand by themselves, and not A + B = C as you try to misrepresent them. There is no right and lift twisting them to fit you arguments. Concepts are concepts are intended to what they are established for, conventionally with the academic communities.

            Have a good day.

          • MS

            Dear Emma
            let me use your language:
            “ልዕላውነት ሀገር”= sovereignty of a nation= sovereignty of the territory and the people who live within that defined territory. Dr. bereket was clear and stood his ground saying that the talk about national sovereignty is not important in this time and age. Despite attempts to get him to clarify his statements he stood his ground. So, there is no confusion here. It is clear we are talking about national boundaries and territorial integrity of a nation called Eritrea. I have heard you loud and clear; and I’m not surprised. i’m just putting my disagreement.
            Regards.

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            I figure you are sleeping, have a wonderful night. As far as pain is concerned it is the pain I read on the faces of young people like Samsom that kills me. As usual, your views on this subject represents the epitome of failure. Our own peace once said merfi’e wayane Hayal eya. Translation: Wayane needle/injection is extremely potent. Don’t look at me look at the faces of those young faces and learn one or two that could help you re-calibrate your bearing. Look straight at samsom’s face and tell him that.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Don’t worry I am used of being called wayane. The word “wayane” is a political diet for PFDJites to suppress the popular movements. It is always your “snack word” kab Gizie nab Gizie tokomseO. It is an addictive Political diet of Mahmuday.

            On the issue of “sovereignty” I will get back to your “heavy Darba” Saay who challenged me on the “people’s sovereignty” – later today.

            Senay MeAlti

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Paulos,
            Yes, Dr. Bereket Berhane is brother of Pero. They are from Tiravolo, Asmara.
            Dr. Bereket is certainly an interesting person. He read a lot; and writes well. Though I know him from Asmara days (close friend of an uncle, both MDs), I also met in Winnipeg twice; as late as three months ago.
            It is heartbreaking to hear him talk about the unaccompanied Eritrean minors in Ethiopian refugee camps. He has stats to back up and stories to tell. He is well-connected and helps lots of Eritreans. He recently helped some Eritreans register in medical school in Ethiopia.
            Really good guy; importantly for the times, good Eritrean.
            Thanks,
            Ghezae

          • Paulos

            Selam Ghezae,

            I know Pero but obviously not Bereket. Bereket has an advantage over the rest of us who live light years away from the borders of Eritrea where the reality we tend to conjure up if you will is not only convoluted but distorted as well. I am sure the neither here nor there including some old farts in London will say “Weyane hatsibato” for he has lived in Ethiopia for 11 years. I admire his courage for telling the truth as it is. God bless!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Paulos & Ghezae,

            The taboo walls and perceptions can only be met and challenged with courageous people, like Dr. Bereket, by keeping their integrity and telling the truth as is, without fear of retribution and fear of blackmailing. The life in this world is short to tell all the truth and make change in society. Do what we can do, and the rest someone will continue the journey to free our people and regain the sovereignty of our people.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            What is the truth? It looks he has settled for people-to-people approach which is a smart idea, but the question is does such position require surrendering sovereignty in order to succeed? Thank you!

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Which sovereignty? It has a broad meaning. Refer to my reply for Saay.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Well, although he framed his toking points in a sense of prioritizing, his tone was pretty much dismissive when it comes to sovereign issues. For example, he dismissed the border issue as immoral, not just as a precondition but completely.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Peace,

            If one prioritized issue from issue, it means he is only focused on the first issue he set himself to fight for. It is not dismissing the other issues that follows. He is more concerned about our people, specifically about the young generation. That is how my binocular is zooming into his mindset and read the intention of the good doctor. A Man who read his previous writing and his intimacy to the unfortunate Eritrean young kids, could not fail to understand what the good doctor is demanding from us. So Peace, I wish those who are critic to his words could contribute either morally or financially to our young kids in the refugee camps.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I read your reply multiple times and don’t think you answered the question.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            You could say I am not convinced,,but I have answered your Question. May be you did not get the answer you expected. Peace prioritize your struggle to save our people. ህዝብና እናጠፈኤ አብ ፖለቲካ ባድመ ብሸንኮለል ከነሕልፎ አይኮናን:: እንታይ ኢኻ ክብል ደሊኻኒ ካብዚ ዝበልክዎ ሐሊፈ?

            Regards

          • Desbele

            Hi Paulos,
            Yes….Bereket has an advantage over the rest of us. Now and then…
            …on 10 June 1998 while i was a 4th year student in UoA , the then President of the University, Dr. Woldeab hastily and irresponsibly organized part of us, science students, to go to the Zalambessa front to help in medical works. We boarded two buses and the Presidnet himself see us off from the university campus. After 6hrs travel we make it to Senafe. It was Dr Bereket who welcomed us there.
            The city was in a clear war stage with lots of military manuevere. Dr. Bereket then and there talked with us and told us he was not aware of our coming and decided that the situation is manageable and our presence was undesirable. And we returned back. We made it late in the evening. It was an opening day for the 1998 France World cup soccer.
            I cant help comparing his presence now and then. It is far more real and the diagnosis, decisions and problem solving are all enhanced by the first hand experience on site. We can tell from his recent interview how he is horrified by the impact of war as he experienced it first hand at the front line. And he now saw how the mass exodus is bleeding our country and what the fleeing youth actually feel and think about it. People like Dr Bereket are more relevant and need to be listened well.

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            The complexity of the challenges is far reaching in the sense that we have become too frightened to see, hear and feel the viable solution. Bereket seems to have grasped the essence and he is corageous enough to tell us that it is actually okay to prostrate if need be for the stakes of survival are too high. In that kind of language, leaders are born and the guy has the knack for it.

            As I see it, the critical factor with in the Fermat’s theorem if you will is the darn Weyanes. The striking difference is that, Isaias the man with a stellar survival instinct injects the Weyane factor onto the theorem not to solve it but to complicate it a notch further. On the other hand, the Opposition including those whose modus operandi is “Eritrean solutions for Eritrean problems” confuse the problem for a solution when Isaias beats them at his own game. As Bereket brilliantly put it, if we stop entertaining the languages of Isaias (read: the border issue including Bad’me) and drive our focus onto human rights issue, years will be reduced to months and months will be reduced to days for justice to prevail.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Ghezae,

            I fully agree that Dr.Bereket Berhane has done and is still doing tremendous job in helping Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia. He has also contributed much in highlighting the fate of the refugees, specially that of the minors through his several excellent articles here at awate.com. I have no doubt that all awate forumers think likewise.
            The criticism concerns exclusively some of the issues he raised.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            The word “ልዑላዊነት” which means “sovereignty” is not new word. We have been using it since the Ghedli era. The word can be used as “people’s sovereignty” or “geographic-Sovereignty”. It depend how individual’s use it in their communication as to what they intend to mean it. However, the regular political oppositions most of the time they use is as “people’s sovereignty” to imply human right abuse in Eritrea. But, the young generation, usually sovereignty means “geographic sovereignty.” You can identify them from our debate.

            Senay Mishet
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            That is a good point. The people are sovereign. Here is the deal though: With in the process of nation building, the people are expected to give-in certain of their rights when the choice is between which to build first—political institutions as in rule-of-law, transparency and accountable-state or economic prosperity under an authoritarian grip not as an end in itself but a means to an end rather. I personally would opt or elect to have a strong state with authoritarian grip ala the Tiger Nations. This may come as a surprise but I say, I oppose Isaias not because of lack of basic political institutions but because of the unimaginable human rights violations.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Paulosay,

            I have to learn now, that a “free mind man” like you can also advocate for an authoritarian system. I have also to read somewhere and somewhat, that “Freedom” and “authoritarianism” can coexist together.

            Senay NeAka

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            I think what you should read from Paul example is, Singapore under the first Prime minster, or Rewanda under Kigame or Ethiopia under Melles. They all claim to have democracy but they dominate 90% of the political system of the country.

            Berhe

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Paulus,

            Your in puts in this forum mostly come with an ignition spark to set the inertia in motion. Choice between freedom and liberties under liberal democratic system or economic benefits under authoritarian order with a despot at the helm does summarize the core of the debate the Eritrean elites (the opposition segment) should be engaging in. I rule out the current rulers because they have already made their choice by usurpation. But for the forces seeking change, the issue is central and crucial and demands proper intellectual in put.

            Now, in my humble view, the determinant factor(s) is the balance between what should be given in versus what what material benefits should be accrued in exchange. In other words, the deal has to be crafted and enshrined in a grand social contract with limits and balances – the point you and I have alluded the other day.

            I think the means as a necessary evil to a promised bountiful material future is very risky enterprise if it would give license to ruthless oligarchy overseen by an omnipotent despot that cannot but crush the weak multitudes of a nation on the way to finally end up in merciless exploitive capitalist economic order which mostly serve and empower the small upper segment of the society. The so called tiger economies of South East Asia to which we usually resort as examples are quite deceptive. Many of them produced bubble economic prosperities that collapsed when money speculation tycoons like George Soros withdrew their money. A number of those economies were forced to borrow and had incurred huge debts for generations to come. I am aware of opinions that argue that the benefit exceeded the losses since what is important is engaging poor nation in sustained developmental schemes in the framework of nation building as the late Meles Zenawi and others had argued. Regime apologist elites in our case do peddle that argument often – “ባኒን ቅጫን ዶ ናይ ምዝራብ ናጽነት” cliches.

            But judicious development in the framework of state building would only be meaningful if the people and their elites (opposition in our case) are given reasonable political and social platforms to appraise their realities and develop a suitable governance system under well-harnessed, benevolent and tenures-oriented governing authorities and institutions.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Perhaps it would give you a broader overview or take if I walk you through my own gradual change in perspective with respect to the Eritrean revolution including after independence. Typical of my generation, I was a staunch supporter of the Eritrean cause to the extent I truly believed that Eritrea was to become a city on the hill and a beacon of hope to the otherwise “Dark” Continent at large simply because again the Eritrean just-cause and the unbridled commitment of the people to bring the cause to fruition was second to none.

            Enter “The Lion of Naqfa” Isaias Afwerki. He was my idol and my hero through and through like there was no tomorrow. My fascination didn’t end there and I was determined to read every literature about Eritrea with in the academia including the huge collection of books at SOAS library.

            After independence, I was sold by the catchy phrase as in Singapore-business-model and equally believed that for the model to succeed, Eritrea should arm itself with a stoic discipline where the colors of Liberal-Democracy including multiparty system ought to be differed. My assessment was based on two fundamental concepts: my faith in Isaias was unshakable and through my reading of history, I critically believed that, Eritrea was not ready for multiparty system among other things.

            Then something happened. I had heard about the crimes committed by Isaias in Mieda but I tended to put it in a broader perspective where “If a crime was committed for the preservation of a nation, it is a glorious crime” as Machiavelli coldly put it. But what happened on September 18 was altogether different particularly when he with a stern face said, “I don’t know him, how would I know where he might be if I don’t know him” when he was asked about Joshua by the Australian reporter. That was the turning point for me.

            Sure enough my attitude and perception about Isaias is completely changed but my stand about the political venue Eritrea had to take given its socio-economic reality to the very least right after independence is not changed.

            Samuel Huntington in his celebrated 1968 seminal paper titled, “Political Order and Political Decay” critically analyzed the cause and disparity between nations with respect to political stability and economic prosperity where the data he presented indicated that, nations in Africa, Asia and Latin America in the decades after World War II, were plagued as he put it, “….with ethnic and class conflicts, recurring rioting and mob violence, frequent military coups d’etat…” He went on to indicate that, in the two decades after World War II, successful coups d’etat occurred in 17 of 20 Latin American countries. He concluded that, through out Asia, Africa and Latin America there was a decline in political order, an undermining of the authority, effectiveness, and legitimacy of government. “Not political development but political decay dominated the scene” he added. What was responsible for the violence and instability? He asked. He argued that, it was in large part the product of rapid social change and the rapid mobilization of new groups into politics coupled with the slow development of political institutions. In short, a strong centralized state was lacking, instead economic prosperity was given a precedence where the economic model had no where to stand on. If Eritrea was an independent nation in the 60s, it would have been a basketcase scenario had it opted for economic prosperity under weak state or weak institutions. The socio-economic and political realities in Eritrea was rife with illiteracy, poor economic income, poor health system among others. It needed an authoritarian government till the nation stands on a firm ground. Then and only then would have been sound to call for multiparty system and its appendages.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos.

            I highly appreciate you for walking me through your phased experience in developing your conviction on options our political and economic developments ought to follow. Your candidness to voice clarity on your views deserves commendation. There have been, and shall to continue to be, fertile ground available to our elites to expound their view of many aspects of our national life.

            Our polity that emerged by the forces of competitive colonial geopolitics had also become victim of competitive neo-colonial diplomacy and strategic interest. That was why our nation’s chances to lay down foundations compatible with transformation of social and political backwardness you have mentioned was curtailed, and instead of engaging in state building that could have been the necessary infrastructure for nation building, it was forced to fight for decades for its survival and preservation. In the process all aspects of development and transformation was not only postponed but the rudimentary assets and infrastructure were ruined during the long war.

            But the kept the wounds of the nation still open and festering is the fact our elites are yet to appreciate the gravity of responsibility they have to shoulder. They have been missing opportunities to settle down on reasonable program of action that could salvage the country from its current ordeal, and then set it on track towards rehabilitation and development guided by political and economic policies governed by consensually endorsed constitutional system.
            Within such framework fundamental rights and personal liberties would set to coexist and mutually benefit developmental efforts on the national level. Once the nation succeed to achieve such phase of unity, settling on suitable developmental schemes would not be difficult because the stakeholder (citizens) would equipped with the necessary awareness of where their interest will be, who represents them and what they would give in for transparent and quantifiable benefit of development

            .

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            I agree with you the meaning of ልዑላዊነት depends on its user. As per Wolf Leslau geez dictionary ልዑላዊነት means high, superior, upper, sublime. Tekie (ትክአ) Tigrigna dictionary presents one of its meanings as ዝልዓለ ስልጣን ወይ ሓይሊ ኣብ ልዕሊ ሓደ ናይ ፖሊቲካዊ ጉጅለ ወይ ኣካል ምህላው, the other meaning being divine ልዑላዊነት and sovereignty from outside force or influence. In addition to what I said in my comment on the substance, the ambiguity of the word was the other reason that I talked about the word.
            ልዋም ምሸት

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Paulos,
      The first impression I had about Bereket was that he has clarity–soft spoken and intelligent. I am not surprised though I don’t know what he said except your brief intro. The other point you made–about trivialities–is spot on.

      Welcome back

      • Paulos

        Selam Ayay,

        First time to see him except that I think it was Sal a while back talked about him when he spoke about the health services in Eritrea. That said, hope he walks the talk and keeps the momentum. Thank you.

    • Tzigereda

      Selam Paulos,

      Dr.Berhane is a person I respect much (from his previous speech about health sector in Eritrea).
      From my point of view, I found no ‘breakthrough’ in his speech this time, his intro was sufficient but then he failed to do a proper analysis of what ( and why) went wrong between the different youth Organisations.
      In his short suggestion for solution he said that one of the greatest obstacles why the opposition couldn’t go forward is ” ertrawi hagerawnet” & “… ብዛዕባ ኤርትራዊ ልዑላውነት ብዛዕባ ዶብ ክዛረቡ ከለው ኣነ ከም ኤርትራዊ የሕፍረኒ ኢዩ…”.
      No question, prioritising is eminent for the whole opposition, but why we are stuck at this stage for years is not because the opposition has been demanding and trying to solve the ” border issue” , this way, he is in fact ( unintended) putting the politics of PFDJ and that of the opposition in one pot, and this is wrong. The same goes for ” sovereignty of Eritrea”. And yes, this issues also matter for us the opposition. Besides there should be no ” haram” for us to discuss different issues ( including constitution etc), it is sad enough that the so called eritrean government has prohibited everything. The opposition (” mengsti dege”) is filling the gap. All this issues have an impact on how the dire situation at home can be challenged ( ideal wise, when done genuinely and with realistic approach). It is the tasks ( of the opposition) which are still in the phase of drbishbish: what is to be expected from political organisations, from civic orgs, community based orgs, scholars, historians, and the media.

      • Paulos

        Selam Tzigereda,

        Physicians are trained to analyze medical cases in terms of degree of seriousness of any case and establishing prognosis as well. And from the narrative he presented, he seems to employ similar rationale to the Eritrean challenge as well. He first spoke of the main cause, effect and finally strategy as well. He said, the genesis of the cause was borne in Mieda where I think was spot on. He went on to say that delving onto the rather sensitive issue doesn’t in any way betray Eritrean sovereignty but sadly the regime and other neither here nor there folks take it as a “zeyhagerawnet.” The effect is self evident where not only the nation is in a dire strait but the social capital particularly the youth is “The Lost Generation.” The strategy he said ought to be to isolate the regime by recognizing the shared interests of neighboring nations.

      • saay7

        Tegadelit Tzigereda:

        As they say back home, you stole it from my mouth.

        The good doctor is excellent when analyzing the state of healthcare in Eritrea. He presents compelling data that one of the governments main points of pride–expansion of healthcare to serve more Eritreans at the furthest reaches of Eritrea–is one of its strongest weaknesses: it has been exiling medical doctors by astonishing levels due to a number of reasons, including denying them the opportunity to supplement their income with private clinics, and to further their education by denying them professional development classes. The stats he cites of how many veteran and new doctors have left the country are mind-boggling.

        In twitterverse, whenever I cite his testimony, some are able to easily dismiss it with a one-liner: and where is he now? That is, to my mind, a non sequitur. But when you then talk about patriotism and nationalism and attempt to dismiss them as the Achilles heels or Eritrean opposition….what’s the Tigrayit expression: Babur Yigebeyka! O’train! You are off the rails!

        Saay

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi Semere,

    Welcome back.

    Thanks for the suggestions and offer to send me copies of speeches for the amendement of the USA Constitution. You do not have too. I hope google will help me. I hope also history will play itself again. As it was in America then so will become in Eritrea now. Now it’s 2:00 AM and i am running to sleep.
    Thanks anyway.

  • saay7

    Hey iSem

    Welcome back from whatever it is u are plotting, probably nothing good.

    The more we discuss the constitution the more I am reminded of all our lost opportunities — as a country and now as an opposition movement. As they once said of the PLO, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. His Fantiness summarized my views succinctly: please refer to his breakdown.

    Ah, Embaye Melekin. You are aging urself and going to the 1990s when he used to rail against Betjuk and Jeberti and then wrote a constitution. F Scott Fitzgerald wrote “there are no second acts in Americans lives”: I disagree: most people have multiple acts if they are willing to change and I believe Embaye has. At least the version I see on Facebook doesn’t write terrible things about the two groups who somehow managed to piss him off and in the process scare people of the opposition because of bhIjiu zneqwe etc. So don’t bring up his Act One: everyone deserves a second chances.

    saay

    • Brhan

      Hello SAAY
      Any comment though about the newsworthy of the above interview
      The regime that we know that won”t surprise us in many things including its acts with neighbours conducts interview in non official newspaper
      What is your say to awate gate keepers in this regard
      Thanks

      • saay7

        Hi Brhan:

        What I have to say is….what gatekeepers?

        I don’t follow Almasry Alyoum, or Arabic media for that matter, and I am grateful that it’s translated here. My understanding is that the paper is one of the most widely circulated and influential.

        On what the ambassador said or didn’t say about the renaissance dam, or the Entebbe agreement being void, or how the US has been begging Eritrea for a military base, its what we used to call as kids “glbTish” (Opposite Day they call it in the US.). The only truth that came out is one that has been denied by EPLF/PFDJ/IA for decades: Egypt played a constructive role (from Eritreans perspective) to help launch and place on firmer footing Eritreas armed struggle. This will displease the Yosief Gebrehiewet – Agazian – Habesha Supremacists – Arab Phobes but as Kerenites tell people who are upset and can’t do much about it, “Gobo Lalemba ga-hatx”:)

        PS: I can imagine the late Meles Zenawi saying what he is quoted as saying. The man did have a tendency to assume there were imaginary Israeli and American audience every time he spoke. Must have been based on his long relationship with the Paul Henzes of the world.

        saay

      • Saleh Johar

        Ahlan Berhan,
        What happened my dear? Gate keepers? I will consider that a slip of a finger–awate doesn’t have gate keepers but editors and moderators. That is unlike you.

        • Brhan

          Hello Saleh,
          I believe I presented constructive criticism in good intention: It was positive
          (Gatekeeping is the process through which information is filtered for dissemination, whether for publication, broadcasting, the Internet, or some other mode of communication. The academic theory of gatekeeping is founded in multiple fields of study, including communication studies, journalism, political science, and sociology)

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Brhan,
            Okay. This will be my last comment on the topic. But as a last resort, think about this:

            If you were writing to a news outlet, would you address it ti “Dear Gatekeeper”?

            No, you would say, “Dear editor”.

            Gatekeepers are either “Bewwab” (doorman) or a prison guard. In the case you used it, it can only be derogatory. I don’t mind it coming from you, but I just wanted to bring it to your attention. Your initial comment was expressing a view, so, it was a feedback–and we are grateful for it. But that is where it should have ended before we get into “Gatekeeping.”

  • blink

    Dear All
    Have you seen the EPM in the UN debate about peace keeping mission operations reform ??? The head of UN praised Ethiopian Gov for sending Ethiopian children to death camp in Somalia just to get paid in by squeezing the death of innocent Ethiopians inside Ethiopia under PMH watch , it is an amusing world , how could such world exist in the lens of justice ? This PM sits on the skeleton of Ethiopian children and get praised by UN funders and go on his own world . Ethiopain childrens born from Oromo , Amhara and somalia region must be feeling the nerv that they could not save their family from EPRDF killing machine police force while they sit in Somalia . UN peace keeping mission is the death of more children under the blue helmet and more rape of innocent girls by UN peace keeping soldiers.

    • Thomas

      Hi Blink,

      You can ask Eritrean youth as young as 8 on why they are fleeing to the country and the people are accusing. I cannot stop wondering to see you that angry about the Ethiopian rulers when it is non of your business unless you have to admit that you are Ethiopian? As a neighbor country to Somalia, Ethiopia must be concerned about what is going in Somalia and the Somalis start fighting among each other in 1991. Ethiopia also has issues with your government/the PFDJ government. Your government/regime has issues with Yemen, Djibouti, Sudan and Somalia. Your government is sending innocent Eritrean youth to be killed in the Yemen war. So whose government is worst?

      • Peace!

        Hi Tomas,

        Are we allowed to say TPLF/EPRDF is evil as PFDJ? I don’t agree with you because I don’t like your attitude is a lame logic.

        Peace!

        • Nitricc

          Hi peace: you should know by now that thomas doesn’t stand for justice. He is blind and stupid TPLF defender. No person who stands for justice will stand for Weyane. He is fake.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You know what I think of you. By the way, the dukam restaurant owner is inviting you back to Columbus. You know what he closed that restaurant. By the way, he is not white, but a mix of white and Ethiopian:)

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas; lol you remembered that. there is no way that guy is mix. Once i share that story, someone from Columbus argued with me that the guy was Ethiopian from Shashemene. I seen and talk the guy, he is nothing but a white man. now you are telling me he is mix? I always wanted to go back and check it out again but never happened. I mean how do you get a blond hair from being a mix? So, no more Dukom or just under a new management? you should run it, it will be a good business if managed right.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You got me because I am the drunkards coordinator, right? So, I will have an established customers:) Trust me, he is mix:) There was a time when I met some Ethio-Chinese person. He had 100% Chinese looks but 0% Ethiopian. I had no way of telling until he asked me if I am from East Africa and he spoke to me in fluent Amharic. I felt confused and did not know what to say to that:)

        • Desbele

          Hi Peace ,

          TPLF is an angel compared to PFDJ. I will never compare an organization that led by a monster who started killing his own class mates early on his twenties and continued killing his neighbors, friends, country men well in to his 70’s … and almost for no reason but pure sadism. Tell me one …just one such incident in TPLF. If we are to compare pfdj’s monstrosity….Stalin or Pol pot are neck to neck..

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            Well, there are millions of Ethiopians who describe TPLF the same way you describe PFDJ plus evil is evil, lessor, greater, middling makes no difference.

            Peace!

          • Desbele

            Hi Peace,
            My reply was to your question: “Are we allowed to say TPLF/EPRDF is evil as PFDJ?” and my answer remains the same……ዘራኽብ የብሎምን
            ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብጉልበተይ ስሪሐ ክነብር ንዝብል ኣዝዩ ቀሊል ፤ ማንም ስርዓት ከረጋግጾ ዝኽእል መሰል ተነፊጉሎ ፡ምንባር ተነፊጉሎ ክበሃል ይከኣል፤
            ንሕቶ ህዝቢ ኢትዮጵያን ኢሕወደግ ከተግብሮ ዝብድሆ ኩነትን ባዕልካ ምዘኖ። ክልቲኦም ወድባት ብከመይ ውሽጣዊ ግርጭታቶም ይፈትሑ ካብ ቀድምውን መርምር

          • Thomas

            Hi Desbele,

            Thank you, you have provided peace with the needed answers and you clarified your points in a simplest one that anyone could understand. In Eritrea, can I go to work and feed my family without being forced to become a solider or a slave? Can I just own body, soul and my God given freedom and move freely within my own nation without any trouble? The work I can create myself because I can do farming, trade, handcrafts, fishing and all others. I am not asking for any help, but to be left alone is the question the Eritrea people would ask. Whereas in Ethiopia, the Oromo wanted to be Oromo first and Ethiopia second, the Amhare wanted to climb into power and just hated to see the tigreans, and the other ethnics lost in between or remain invisible because they are just minorities. How can you satisfy all this entities. Though things are very hard, the Ethiopian government is working patiently and in spite of these obstacles marching towards building a democratic Ethiopia. Again, it is not an easy route but the seem to be marching to the right direction. I wish the Ethiopian leaders were leading my nation.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Thomas,

            Just said it perfectly..
            “Though things are very hard, the Ethiopian government is working patiently and in spite of these obstacles marching towards building a democratic Ethiopia. ”

            I also noted the same ..

            KS,,.

          • Thomas

            Dear KS,

            Haki tezaribka ab megedi babur dekis. I know you always stood for the truth but some people here cannot handle the truth. ONE DAY, we will meet in the land of honest people. It might be a bit long, but surely we will make it there.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            …excuse me..,why are you opposing PFDJ then if you have no problem with snatching other peoples land and make a fortune out of it?

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,
            All I know is the tigreans are not taking over the oromos land, pure and simple. You seem to be representing the oromos and I am talking about the status of my people, the Eritreans. I am an Eritrean and I do understand what is going on in my own country. The oromos were fighting before the tplf got into Addis Abeba and back then they were never allowed to demonstrate on the streets of Addis Abeba or other cities in Ethiopia. This by itself is a huge progress within Ethiopia, but you know sometimes enough is not enough. Do you even remotely think that there is such a space for the people in Eritrea? Say there are two friends of yours sick: one caught just common cold and the second friend has cancer. Do you worry more for the one with a common cold or for the one with cancer?

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            I don’t think it is nesecaary to go to that detail; it is Ethiopians problem and let them sort it out themselves. But when it comes to struggling against PFDJ, it becomes a matter of “PRINCIPLE.” It is really scary to see people, including our veteran tegadelti, have no problem with normalizing evil as long as it is lesser than that of PFDJ. In other words, there are people who won’t hesitate to become PFDJ2345 if opportunity allows.

            Yes our problem is TRUST.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I like your line that says, “t is really scary to see people, including our veteran tegadelti, have
            no problem with normalizing evil as long as it is lesser than that of PFDJ.” However, I also know you are smart enough to remember it is the EPLF/PFDJ with the TPLF support who destroyed (borrowing Trump’s word: destroy North Korea:)) the ELFs. The mission of destroying ELF fighters actually happened during the bitter straggle and before the nation we are conversing about now was liberated. So, it is a mattering of prioritization of tackling problems and bringing timely solution. Most of the all, it as the saying goes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Ethiopian rulers (ironically former PFDJ associates) seem to be the only aggressive enemies of the PFDJ’s regime. The PFDJ regime the enemy of all in this case.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Well, that’s exactly what we are doing, and despite years of abusive relations ship, no progress has been made, except more divisions and corruption, perhaps the dreams are not the same as during the 80s. And as for ELF, EPLF… thing I have no clue and no desire to get into it.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Peace,

            Governments are always evil by nature. So when we talk and compare them to each other it is always “relative”. If we say this government is better than that, it doesn’t mean we are exonerating them from their wrong doing. I urge you to understand from that standing point of view. If there are people who expect a government without sin, they could be only niave to the politics of governments.

            Besides, let us clean our houses before we ask others to clean their houses.

            Regard

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            Governments are evil by nature? Really?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Paulosay,

            That is my take Paulos. What do you think? Let me hear from your side. And of course you will go through all the transformation of the governmental philosophy. History is your forte as I have observed you since you join this forum. Go ahead brother.

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            I suspect the “fallacy” is in the wording. If evil is the absence of good, the general description of governments could be off the mark or problematic. Perhaps it serves a purpose if we see the nature of governments from internal and external dynamics with respect to their attitude towards the people they are mandated to serve and their attitude towards other nations as well. Sure enough, governments or states interfere or “invade” the natural liberty of an individual when they impose the articles of the “Social Contract” and that was precisely the reason thinkers such as Kant wrestled with the contradiction when they on one hand advocated for the unrestrained Will-Power of the individual and on the other hand they recognized the imperatives of social order as well. However, the dynamics is altogether different when it comes to foreign relations in the sense that, any nation sees the attitude of any other nation as a threat where it is the central dogma of Realism or Realpolitik. Cardinal Richelieu who is reputed to be the father of Realism is said to have said, “Man owns immortality for his salvation is hereafter, the State doesn’t own immortality for its salvation is here or never.” That said, evil as a description is misplaced to say the least.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,
            Glad to have you back after pretty long recess. You also took with you the keys to the doors of political philosophy class.
            Does the looseness and tightness of the harness to power determine the good and evil of governments? I am alluding to how the social contract between the rulers and the ruled out to be crafted to keep the two (good and evil) in benign balance. Here, the authoritarian and despotic regime like the one we have are liable to be ruled out as usurpers and, therefore, fit the evil part of the equation. Does what I am scribbling here make sense?
            Welcome back, Paul.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for those kind words. That is a difficult but excellent question. I think the central question is where does the mandate of a government start and end. Is it to uphold and maintain social order? To fairly redistribute wealth of the nation among its citizens? Or is it to safeguard the peace of the nation from foreign “enemies”?

            The first issue of maintaining social order comes at the expense of the strong in a bid to protect the weak. In defence of the strong, Nietzsche [in Genealogy of Morals] famously disparaged the “moral objectives” a creation of the weak to instill guilty consciousness on the strong. The “Strong” in this line of argument would see the government as a coarsive power. The same can be said about the rationale of wealth redistribution where proponents of Economic Liberalism—Adam Smith and Frederick Heyke among others see the intrusion of the government as unfair and unjust. Keeping the peace of the people and protecting from external enemies is where mostly everyone seems to agree on—only becomes a divisive issue when the nation puts the young in harms way. As we discussed about these issues before, the success of any nation is its ability as you have aptly put it in finding the balancing point with in the scale of the spectrum.

            P.S. What we have back home is a chimera of “isms.”

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Paulos,
            Thanks for the time and the apt explanation in a nutshell. You are right about the description of what we have back home except they are the most archaic and anachronistic species of the “isms”.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            “Besides, let us clean our houses before we ask others to clean their houses.”

            መቓልስትኻ ምፍላጥ እኮ ገዛኻ ምጽራይ ማለት እዩ መስለኒ…. plus I didn’t ask others to clean their houses, I think this is an Eritrean opposition website, እንተዘይተጋግየ,

            Again, there is a difference between working with Ethiopian government and proxxxxxx with TPLF and its elites under disguise of opposing PFDJ.

            Go ahead and defend weyane as much as you wish if it serves your cause.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear peace,

            Anta Peace, “let us clean our house before we ask others to clean their house” is supporting TPLF? Hisebelu DeA. I can’t tell you more than “all governments are evil.” If you want to fight both governments go ahead, if you have energy and know how how to fight them. Don’t blame. You have many thing to blame if you know your priorities.

            Senay NeAka Yekun

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Sorry if that comment went a bit too far. My problem is with your impartiality: when was the last time you asked the confused Ethiopians to clean their own house first? Where do we clean our house ካብዚ ሓሊፍና!!!

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear peace,

            It is not my duty to tell them. Besides, don’t you see that we are overwhelmed with our own problem? I don’t have time to address their issue. I have enough on my plate , of our own problems,

            Regard

          • Thomas

            Hi Amma,

            I just could not understand why some people spend lots of time attacking a government that is not theirs and spend almost zero time talking about the most murderous and criminal regime of their own? Is there something that I will never understand?

          • Desbele

            HI Thomas,
            It is a tactic to distract the focus on the criminal regime and normalize its evil intentions. Never ever think of to convince those kind of folks. Remember those people do have even the audacity to compare this mafia regime with …how many times have you heard ኣብ ኣሜሪካውን እኮ ከምዚ ይግበር እዩ…
            Just hopeless

          • Thomas

            Hi Desbele,

            How true!!

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            I don’t either….could you ask Kim Hanna, Horizon, Hayat Adem, Medhane (abi’s twin) I am sure they have the right answer for you.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Could it be because they are in Eritrean Opposition website? How about the rest of us, the Eritreans who think we have a big problem with own and want to focus on our issues? Since we in the opposition want to expose the regime, which for long determined to make history, anyone who help in that endeavor we muist welcome. So, the deal would be to tell the Ethiopian oppositions groups by visiting their media sites? I never thought you would miss this!!

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            yes you are right the only difference is you keep defending weyane while you attack EPLF on a grand joury made up by weyane lunatics even some times you are ready to go out of your way and defend them ,that is called what ?

          • saay7

            Peace!

            Apparently, you have not been edumacated on the proper Eritrean opposition etiquette of dealing with Ethiopia:

            1. If we have something complimentary to say about Weyane, it is our business and we should do it
            2. If we have something critical to say about Weyane, it is none of our business and we should restrain ourselves.

            Tongue firmly in cheek*

            saay

            * If Emma misses the sarcasm here and says he agrees with the statements, I will….nah, I won’t do anything.

          • Peace!

            Hi Saay,

            ገሪሙናኮ ስቕ ምባል ይሓይሽ ኢልና:)

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Saay,

            If I had something bad to say about the weyane, I would visit the Ethiopian opposition website to expose the weyane. What is the point of me talking about the weyane in an Eritrean website? As a matter of fact, I would tune in to ERI-TV 24/7 because that would be best place for me to enhance my vocabulary (lsay like weyane the kedemtis, the murderers, the jailers, the builder of concentration camps and more).

          • saay7

            Hey Thomas:

            Using that logic, if you have something complimentary to say about the EPRDF you should go to pro-gov websites like Aiga, no?

            If an Eritrean can badmouth US policies (and I hear that a lot here), Middle East policy, Israel, Africa in general, why would Ethiopia be the exception? No, I don’t mean it in the way pro-gov Eritreans do it (to distract attention away from PFDJ), I mean in the sense that it’s one more subject to add to the menu.

            Saay

          • Thomas

            Hi Saay,
            My statement is not discussing/as in “Ella” or complementing or entertaining our audiences, I meant to say winning against a regime very skillful in spreading propaganda & diversion tactics. The logic is why keep attacking the enemy of your enemy. Is it not what the religion is doing 24/7? Is it not what the regime would like us to be doing?

          • Thomas

            Hi Saay,
            The way the Ethiopian government see the Eritrean regime & the way the other countries look at Eritrean regime is completely different. There is no way the discussion could be related. Ethiopia & Eritrea (the rulers) at adds & the reason they say is the border conflict. How can you not talk about the Djibouti government & the Eritrean regime because they all seem to have border issues. Would you have the same reaction/critic against the Sudanese government? We all know the leader of that nation has been taking similar or even worst actions against his own people. What is puzzling is he is even sleeping with DIA. He voted against COIE , supported & is still supporting IA every time he gets a chance. The TPLF is the only direct enemy of the Eritrean regime & some are trying to use or at least see that.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            Do you mean the oppositions are Dorothy Parker admirers?

            “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam FG,

            ስቅውን እኮ ፖለቲካ እዩ: ዋላውን ንተዓዘብቲ ንአናባብኦም እንተሸገሮም::

            ምስ አኽብሮት

          • saay7

            Ha Fanti

            Are you sure that’s Dorothy Parker? That’s too mundane and she was famous for unconventional expression and for clever flips of common idioms. Two I remember

            1. Hangover is the Wrath of Grapes
            2. I don’t mind what’s written about me as long as it’s untrue

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            There are several modified versions of that quote, but… I am.
            One of my favorites: “Excuse My Dust” on her tombstone.

          • saay7

            Fantiness:

            Well played sir. Let’s see if I can top it. One her more famous lines was “I am not sick but I am not well”…which became the title of a song by a punk rock band. It goes something like this:

            https://youtu.be/z6IU7ntDNPc

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Fanti
            The fitting line from her to you as reply must be ” How could they tell ?” .

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I am sure if you had some relatives to cross over the Ethiopian border and seek a refuge status within the nation you so much hate, you would have acted different I think. At least, thank you would be the least thing we should say to the Ethiopian rulers. Eritrean youth are beat so badly by the barbaric regime in their country and I believe you are searching for another enemy across the border. Please look at the big picture and don’t be so clouded by hate. The Ethiopian government have been nothing but a helping hand to our youth at this time. Are you that naive not to know this or you just don’t care??

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            I think you need to be a bit careful here with your logic that just because one disagrees with a government doesn’t mean He hates the whole nation. Majority of Ethiopian people are opposing the government for lots of legitimate reasons. I don’t think they hate their country. I have Ethiopian families, friends, and I myself had lived in the country for many many years.

            To your point, I don’t fall into emotional trap and shocks I prefer to stick to a principle that I believe will deliver a meaningful change, because had this issue handled properly years ago, we would have been talking about other issues. And please refrain from PFDJ style personal attacks in order to keep the discussion healthy.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Please go back to my comment above and show me how I was attacking your personality. All I said was you don’t seem to felt the heat coming from our own regime. We have hundreds of thousands youth in Ethiopian and many more are joining them by crossing the Ethiopia border now as we speak. If the Ethiopian rulers are so bad, why would our own flee to Ethiopia? The Eritrean regime day in and day out is telling the wayane are horrible and all, how come hundreds of thousands of Eritreans seek asylum in the country considered to be their enemy (the enemy government)? There is no whatsoever logic in your reasoning. Are you saying these hundreds of thousands of people would agree with you? As a matter of fact this where the lesser/greater devil is specified.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Dud! It is personal when you accuse someone without proof. I don’t hate any country. ዳሓር ካኣ TPLF/EPRDF has not been a reliable partner in the struggle against PFDJ ምባል ነውሪዘለዎ ኣይመስለንን. You can prove me if I am wrong, or you can dismiss it if it gives you a migraines. As for the rest, I honestly don’t know your position to give you a constructive reply.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            HI Peace,

            You talk about personal attacks by others and in the same posting you also said and I quote “you can dismiss it if it gives you a migraines”. How about if I suggested to you about my comment being a migraine to ……. Would you be offended?

          • Peace!

            Hi THimas,

            I am sure you are smart enough to understand what said; nevertheless, What I meant to say was if you disagree in a sarcastic way.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            There is a saying in tigrigna, “Kt Bel’a zedeleka’ kokah aba gumbah tibla”:) You are just amazing!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas: I have been observing for such time and you are more interested in defending TPLF Ethiopia and your woman more than anything else. What is your motivation? what is to you? what is this deep affiliation with TPLF? what we know for sure is that you are a fake justice seeker. you don’t give a flying hoot about justice. if you do, you could have sympathized with people of Ethiopia who are being eradicated under your master Weyne. You can’t choose and pick what justice is! to be a just person, there is alternating and there is picking. when the Eritrean people oppressed, you cry about unjust and human rights. yet, when Peace mentions about the unjust of the Oromo people, you attack people and you go bringing PFJD in to the mix. From what you shared with us that you are relatively young dude and if that is true, it is depressing. If there is injustice and wrong doing by your previous generation, work to bring justice and work to right the wrong. For better or worst, those people you love to hate they have done things they know how. they have done their job! what is yours? why don’t you do your job instead going banana with the job what others have done and kissing TPLF and Hayat’s behind. You are disgraced. one point for you, you can not choose and pick what is justice and what un just. injustice is just like that injustice. What a depressing human being. if it wasn’t enough with you now you have another doom and gloom disgrace, by the name of Desbele. what a bunch of cowards. do your job and stop picking what is justice and not.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You don’t know the half of it:) I will be your nightmare, boy!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas, I know it is Friday, you must started at its earnest. lol And I believe you what you have said, after all ” Valor is of no service, chance rules all, and the bravest often fall by the hands of cowards.”
            I know!!!

          • saay7

            Nitrric:

            I went to an Ethiopian restaurant and they make “Eritrean shro”. You know what the difference is? Eritreans put tomatoes in every meal and Ethiopians don’t. The end. 😉

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Thomas

            This is called the work of lunatics but in your case we change it to chameleon. You said this “Whereas in Ethiopia, the Oromo wanted to be Oromo first and Ethiopia second, the Amhare wanted to climb into power and just hated to see the tigreans, and the other ethnics lost in between or remain invisible because they are just minorities. How can you satisfy all this entities. Though things are very hard, the Ethiopian government is working patiently and in spite of these obstacles marching towards building a democratic Ethiopia. Again, it is not an easy route but they seem to be marching to the right direction. I wish the Ethiopian leaders were leading my nation.” what were you thinking ? are you even human being for justice ? who do you think you are trying to cover the known crime of EPRDF over all Ethiopians with such hallow words

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            …my reply remains the same…as I said evil is evil lesser, greater, middling makes no difference. እዞም መሬቶም ተሓዲጎም ማዓልታዊ ብጃምላ ዝቕተሉ ዘለው ኢትዮጽያውያንከ? ምናልባት ንሕደ ሐደ ኢርትራዊያን ክርድእዎ የጸግሞም ይኽውን ግን ብዓይኒ ፍትሒ እንተርኢኻዪ ናይ ኢርትራዊያን ንብዓት ካብ ናይ ኢትዮጽያውያን ኣይ በልጽን እዩ

            Peace!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Desbele; I don’t dude. you sound extremely naive. Let alone in leading a movement in armed struggle, there bloody fights and stapling in a regular American corporate work place. Of course some one going to kill some one and your saints, the TPLF is nothing but a cold blooded killer.
            since you are too childish to even ask for example, but i will throw you a bone, your TPLF killed the very fine TPLF fighter named Teklu Hawaz. Since you just asked for one, here you have it. now go and dig the rest and report back who Teklu Hawaz was. hint he was TPLF’s central committee. I could have give you a few more more but i don’t want you to be broken heart at your beloved TPLF’s crime spree.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,
            Desbele is telling you there is no comparison. I know your brain is frozen. I will ask you a simple question. Can you just think about the G15, the journalists who where detained died in your masters prison camps, the number christians & muslims who died in prison again because of their belief & thousands of others jailed & died for no reason because the beasts did not like them to be around? Imagine the comparison between: Eritrea = 10k/ 6 million; Ethiopia losing 10k/100 million. At this rate, the ambulance better try to save the population who are about to extinct? That is what Desbele is trying to convey with the ignorants of your kind

          • Desbele

            Hi Thomas,

            Nitricc just dont deserve a reply. Thats the best way to communicate with

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሓው ደስበለ,

            ሐቅኻ ኢኻምበር: ቀንጻሊ ውድብን:መገድኻ ጻዕዳ ይግበረልካ ኢሉ ዘፋኑ ውድብን: ደአ አበይ አበይ ይራኸቡ:: ክልቲኦም ውድባት ደአ ብዓይነት እንድዮም ዝፋላለዬ:: ክንደይ ፈላጣት ብጾትና አብ ከተማን አብ ሜዳን ዘበርከቱን እንድዮም ኤሕቂቆሞም:: ናህና ገዲፍካ ተዛረብ:: ግንከአ ሐቅኻ እንዲኻ ተዛሪቦም የዛርቡኻ እንድዩ ኾይኑካ:: ስለዚ ዘረባኻ አብ ልዓቱ እዩ ዘሎ::

            ሰናይ ምሸት
            አማኑኤል ሕድራት

          • Peace!

            ሰላም Emma,

            ንሐደ ስብ ሸይጣን ትብሎ እኮ በቲ ዝገበሮ እከይ ተግባር እዩ መስለኒ ስለዚ ህዝቢ ኢርትራ በቲ ዝወረዶን ዝወርዶ ዘሎ ግፍዕታትን መቕተልትን ንህግደፍ ከም ሐደ ሰይጣናዊ ስርዓት ክርእዮ እንከሎ በተመሳሳሊ መለክዒ ኻኣ ህዝቢ እትዮጽያ ድማ ነቲ ዘሎ ጨፍጫፍን ቐታልን ስርዓት ካኣ ናቱ ሽም ሂብዎ ኣሎ….ብተወሳኺ ድማ ዓብይን ንእሽተይን ዝብሃል ሽይጣን የሎን.

            ቡሩኽ ምሽት
            Peace!

          • Abraham H.

            ኩቡር ኣማን:
            ኣብ ግዚየ ገድሊ ኣንጻር ደርጊ ክንዲ ናይ ህግን ህግደፍን ኣይኹን ደኣ’ምበር ኣብ ውድባት ትግራይ ውን ምቅንጻል ከም ዝነበረ ሰሚዕና ኣለና።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abraham,

            Yes there was civil wars between organizations. But not internal liquidations as it was very common in ours. If you have some knowledge on TPLF internal liquidation to its members, I am open to learn.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Aman, liquidations, whether within a given organization or between factions is the same; it is brothers/sisters killing each other for differences that could otherwise be solved through peaceful talks.

          • blink

            Dear Abrham
            Because of the lost dream they have back then , they have been humulated by EPLF all of their life until 1991. What do you think is the reason Kokob selam ,Ismael up voted him? These guys are ready to dismantle every thing about EPLF. They just do not want to say it here but deep inside their heart they are ready to do it. I have one ex-ELF relative , the man lived his whole life in Iraq and Germany and we chat politics when ever we met and he always tell me ” Eritrea has no History except ELF history and he spend his time in paltalk smerr1 room filling every false thing about EPLF and many people like Thomas take in his information and spit here. Here you have it. By the way ELF was the inventer of killing its members if you want i can give names and dates .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            Why, are you saying so? Didn’t you knew, EPLF gone for war eve holding TPLF? using external force (WHAT EVER THE REASON MIGHT, be is a crime ) to solve internal contradiction is a crime..

            What, if we use external force today,,,, to crash your PFDJ how do you become?

            KS..

          • blink

            Dear Kokob
            Yes what is wrong with that ? if we can sustain a postive change in Eritrea that is ok for me,but …. but i do not believe we have good partners in that case . Who are the helpers? Weyane are evil and they are not partners of Eritrea ,We knew this long time ago when they crushed honest Eritreans opposition. I know you support weyane and it is your right but do Push us to believe the notion that ELF in 1980 would not used foriegn help to elminate EPLF , even now after 40 years some of you are building a blame factory built on lies about EPLF .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink

            “Yes what is wrong with that ?” so you support the act of EPLF in destroying ELF in 80’s now those who supported the crime are in prison.. what do you say about it?

            KS..

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            I am not defending TPLF. I told you the truth from my side, that there was civil war between organizations. But also I have told you they didn’t liquidate their comrades from within their organization like ours. Besides if you know something that I don’t know I told you I open to learn. Now instead of answering to tell me what I don’t know, you are accusing me as a defender of TPLF. Again if you have any knowledge of liquidating their members like ours, I am still open to learn. Am I clear Abraham? Is this difficult to understand? Liquidating your adversary and liquidating your members are different, though both are wrong. In our case both are happened.

          • Desbele

            Hi Abraham,

            Lets know so that we can learn.
            I wonder why praising Woyane for their better handling of issues infuriates even good Eritreans.
            One other thing i roared upon is praising EPRDF especially Kilil Tigray and especially people of Tigray for hosting 100K Eri refugees. I wish organizing a gratitude pilgrimage by Eritreans just to say Thank you to the honorable people of Tigray!!

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            Just to clarify as to what triggerd for the discussion to reach to such level is the growing frustration among opposition leaders, activists, justice seekers, and other ordinary Eritreans that the Ethiopian government has not been a reliable partner in the struggle against PFDJ: creating divisions, financial splinter groups, making backdoor dealing, changing positions are among the complaints. Now, If you are saying TPLF/EPRDF government had done enough and the opposition groups are responsible for the failure, please make your case otherwise it is a no-brainer not to be grateful for the enormous hospitality by Ethiopian people to our refugees. Remember the Sudanes people have been hosting almost a million refugees with throughout the last sixty years, and have never bragged nor tried to politicized it.

            Peace!

          • Desbele

            Hi Peace ,

            I saw it today Peace == Nitrric !!
            You wrote ” If you are saying TPLF/EPRDF has done enough….” , where the hell do you read that?
            I will write it all capital this time. YES I AM GRATEFUL , ESPECIALLY TO THE PEOPLE OF TIGRAY WHO IS HOSTING 100k ERITREAN REFUGGES!!
            1.This doesnt mean i am not grateful to the Sudanese
            2.I am happy if this is obvious for other Eritreans and they dont see the need to express it. But I prefer to say “Thank you” in public. Thank you for Aboy Desta for treating and sheltering at home a friend who was shot by an Eritrean soldier while crossing the boarder . Thank you Adey Mebrat for passing water for a weary sister who just won freedom from slavery………..
            You know what peace… be closer to and get the stories from the ordinary and you will hopefully feel what Dr. Bereket has felt

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            I just happen to see it Desbele==Tesfatsion!!

            እንታይ እዩ ጸገምካ I gave you a brief context to help you stay relevant as the discussion is not about bragging for welcoming refugees and demanding appreciation rather (read my previous reply). No one is arguing against the issue you seem obsessed with, you can even write a book about it if you wish.

            Peace!

          • bmi1

            Thanks Desbele

        • Thomas

          Hey peace,

          My best friend:) I kind of expected you would react and you go:)

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Like wise, you know I upvote you the other day 🙂 SK, the notorious troll, hmm..today is Wednesday…may be he is attending ድራር ኣታዊኡ ንተጋደልቲ or meeting ናይ ምክልኻል ሽማግለ 🙂

            Peace!

  • Mokhsi

    Welcome to awate.com forum. You would be served better by using the words Cow Dung, much like your statement to warm up our Queen Birdy Ms, Hyatt Adam. In Spite of your credentials, I am guessing at Junior level, there are “known unknowns” that even Senior Ethiopian Officers are not privy too, I do appreciate your coming here making your debut in sport of your and my comrade/Sister Ms. Hyatt Adem.
    There is very negligible difference between our respective positions, That difference being, per your declaration you are management or member of the human engineers and I being the managed or part of the people. It matters not whether I am Ethiopian or Eritrean.
    I don’t suppose you can elaborate on the level of your involvement as well as give additional supporting statement besides “shitit”?
    My overlooking the article and HA’s astute and poignant comments is due to my position of avoiding by warning of the Coyote that will clean of the Cow Dung and swallow us all birdy’s before we can fly. [See the movie titled “Nobody” staring Henry Fonda.]
    Oh dear, I am in dire need of a swim in Blue Island Swimming complex or a dip in the Tekeze River. To cool off with the wise Hippos. WATER. Mokhsi, denial is not a river in Egypt, the Nile is, Due you due dilligence,

    Regards,

    tSAtSE

  • Selam All,

    The present regime in asmara is not only short-sighted, it is completely blind to the future of the country. I do not know if it sees eritrea as an entity that should outlast it, or it has an expiry date that coincides with the demise of the present regime.

    The future eritrean government that is peace-loving, not confrontational and stands with and for the people, and wants to develop eritrea economically, is going to need a lot of energy, and the gerd is there to provide eritrea with guaranteed, cheap and abundant electricity. Eritreans therefore, should see themselves as stakeholders in this dam, and not oppose it, unlike the regime.

    The international market is dominated by the giants such as china, germany, etc, and third world countries like ethiopia and eritrea should develop regional trade, and the only chance for eritrea is to be able to penetrate the regional market, especially ethiopia’s, in order to grow her economy.

    These things do not seem to be in the agenda of the present rulers of eritrea, and worse, they seem not to care at all. Therefore, the future generations of eritreans should be enlightened and they should oppose the politics of confrontation, and unlike the regime and its supporters, they should seek to be part of the regional political, economic and social makeup, for the sake of their own people.

    Finally, it is not possible to revive a dead horse, and the pfdj is exactly that. Its usefulness and relevance for eritrea has expired a long time ago, and it is up to the new generation of eritreans with the help of the enlightened group from the old generation who stand with and for the people against the regime, to aim for the real ‘አዲሷ ኤርትርያ’, and not a future pfdj-eritrea with a face-lift, that will never be any different from what eritrea is today.

    • blink

      Dear Horizon
      I agree with your take , every eritrean support for the dam is a must even there is no direct benefit for Eritrea. I mean Ethiopia’s people benefit is welcome at any time . Let’s hope they use the dam for the betterment of all Ethiopians .Ethiopia has 100% right to do what ever it wish to do with its natural resources even they can sale water to any one who is short of it. Egypt can purify its salt water and to finance the project well , they can get the HALAL money with out interest from the Arab bank. I am waiting eagerly to see the dam final ceremony .when Aljazeera was running endless propaganda against the dam long time ago ,they were happy to bring horrible guests to their screen.

  • mt girm

    Dear Mr Ambassador,
    We recommend a little jogging or walking so you can live to see the benefits of this Dam!

    • Desbele

      Hi mt grim,

      You make my day!!

      • mt girm

        I have never seen an Eritrean this big called ‘Fasil’. I think he’s a
        runaway Gonderæ

        • Paulos

          Selamat Mt Girm,

          As it happened, Egypt has the highest number of adult obesity in the world. The study was done in June of this year. Through out human history, starvation has always been a menace and the road to six feet under but this is the first time in history that people are dying of “fullness.”

          • mt girm

            Selam paulos,
            The point is, not to die

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Friends,
    I have a friend whom I heard him often saying “the problem with Egypt is that thee are too many Egyptians in Egypt.” I would say the problem with EndaPFDJ is they have almost none who does represent Eritrea and Eritreans. Look at what is in the above interview and assuming the translation is as accurate as it can get, you can see how many lies are packed in one interview of a single man representing Eritrea and Eriteans. And some of the lies are very dangerous merely because they are being said in the name of a country.
    1. He said: The relations between the two countries are in good shape, since the time of the late President Gamal Abdel Nasser. They are deep strategic and historical relations. Egypt has helped Eritrea in the time of its armed struggle to gain independence, and it provided us with arms, financial, and political support.
    Well, 20 years ago, IA in a public meeting said, Egypt’s policy and view towards Eritrea was never sincere, always mis-oriented and none of it was about strategic matters but all about using Eritrea to harm Ethiopia.
    IA’s take is closer to the truth, but that was then. Now what this guy is saying is closer to what now IA would say. I got one word: prostitution!
    2. He said: And I believe that economic relations are what guarantees of the survival of the relations between countries, unlike political relations that can be negatively affected at any moment.
    Can you believe he believed in that?! If economic relation is what is sustained and real, as opposed to political, then the natural and logical view that follows is Egypt and Ethiopia have what it takes for economic relations, and Ethiopia and Eritrea have what it takes for economic relations and more. Tossing Eritrea over to the side of Egypt and talking about the permanence of economic relations is unnatural. What can be natural about a political prostitution!
    3. He said: Eritrea has officially declared that the construction of the Renaissance Dam has no positive purpose in the interest of the Ethiopian people.
    I am not sure if it was officially declared unless we take comments from officials as official declaration of the state. That aside, GERD is popular and clearly embodies the the wish of the Ethiopian people. Other countries may support or oppose depending on their national interest as relates to the dam. For example, Sudan has supported it; Egypt is opposed to it. Those positions are understandable. The three countries that are most imminently affected by the dam are Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia. The three are interacting on the matter constantly and diligently. No other country has declared specific position related to the GERD except from a general principle point of view. Only Eritrea has transformed itself to be a proxy of Egypt as a direct stake holder of a lower riparian country. Imagine, no other country lightly departs its natural position for a one night stand price. Eritrea is an upper riparian country of the Nile. Aligning its position so carelessly with the interest of a lower end riparian country is unheard of. But then…
    4. When asked about the purpose of the dam after he stated that Eritrea doesn’t believe the dam was being built for a positive purpose, he had to say this: Ethiopia is mainly dependent on economic aid. It is the main African country that receives the most economic assistance from the United States, the European Union, and the World Bank.
    The implication is all these powers and multilateral organizations are helping Ethiopia finance the dam to get at Egypt. Well, when Egypt and Ethiopia are compared as recipients of aid and loan dollar-to-dollar from those same mentioned institution, Egypt surpasses the latter by a stretch. But this dude has to say something, anything for a one night attention.
    4. Question:Do you mean that Ethiopia wants to “make Egypt Thirsty”?
    Answer: Not only Ethiopia, but some Western and [Arab] Gulf countries stand behind Ethiopia and support the construction of the Renaissance Dam. Particularly since the area where the Renaissance dam is located is not suitable for agriculture.
    This is the funniest of all. Based on his own admission…If it is not being built for agriculture, it is not meant to reduce water, which means, it is not meant to make Egypt thirsty. And that clearly supports the Ethiopian narrative which is the dam is for power generation. Water used for power generation doesn’t affect volume of flow except when filling the dam initially. But a prostitute wouldn’t care about not making fallacies and advancing illogical messages.
    5. He was asked about the Entebe agreement. He calls is it “void” with one word. The only two countries who seem to doubt the agreement are Egypt and Sudan. And it is because they are lower riparian countries. And they never called it void but the didn’t sign as they are appealing for more considerations of their claim of prior agreements on Nile water apportionment. higdef tai gidu.. void!
    6. He was asked how Ethioeritrea relationship deteriorated. He had to say many lies about it and then he added this: “We totally rejected the demands because we do not give up our right to decide freely, and our the sovereignty of our territories.” Well a prostitutes would say anything that serves the moment and the intended one stand transaction regardless of the truth. The truth is no other government than PFDJ was so openly begging the USA to come to Eritrea to set up a base.
    I HOPE OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE WORLD UNDERSTANDS HIM AS CLUELESS MESSENGER OF THE RECKLESS IA AND THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ERITREA AND ERITREANS.
    Hayat

    • Selamat Hayat Adem,

      Allow me to welcome you back to visibility again!

      But I feel the incompetence of the PFDJ administration does not only have a desensitising rendering the actors for change ineffective as it is diluted, but also it is monotone and boring. I suggest we all give effort and focus on better efficacy towards our mutual target by contributing unifying arguments and innovations (as Saay7 suggested to Haile Z in his last comment). The peace we seek will only be achieved by unifying, i.e. reconciling, with our primary enemy. And amongst our selves it is high time we acknowledge mutual respect by recognizing in unison that it is high time for the IMPERATIVE NARRATIVE!***** The Stand on ’17!

      Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution.
      AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40 a40

      ***** Mr. Kim Hana’s thought out loud regarding Eyob, Abi, Amde…( and our esteemed Ethiopian Forum contributors I forget names, I beg your pardon…) comes to mind. He lamented and hoped that they are not totally engrossed on the money forgetting the Ethiopian People. Key component definition of the must “Imperative Narrative” all undertake…..

      What are your thoughts on my take Ms. Hyatt Adem?

      tSAtSE

      • sara

        anta tSAtse hawna,
        since you are well versed in the English language i want your help to tell us if it is common and appropriate to repeatedly bring the xxxxxxxxxx word when you want to jab
        a person or a group of persons. is this for lack of vocabulary or it has some thing to do with the attitude/personality of the person saying or writing it.

        • sara,

          The word that you are bringing my attention that I “repeatedly bring” is bleeped/xxxxed. So, I can’t answer your your question definitively. However, I assure you I have no desire to jab at any one in the forum. I am, just as much if not significantly less than I have been jabed, am utilizing the unfortunate tones of the subject matter’s environment culture, to advance what I truly believe is the optimal benefit for the mutually declared goal by all of us including those I address with xxxxxx’s, uppercuts, lefthooks and jabs in our literally triangular boxing ring. Each angle/boxing corner are these three: Eritrean Gov’t, Ethiopian Government, and the Opposition — at least from the Eritrean’s, both pro and oppo strangulating confinement….. boxing analogy, triangulation, and … jump to UFC hexagonal shaped closed cage wider arena and to the inevitable un-iangular 360 degrees circle for KUDA… is a geometric module analogy I will expand on.. later.
          Particularly at this moment, I sincerely believe I have no malice and any jabs perceived at worst are love jabs. My formulae, again, I will state is a Win-Win for all.

          Dear Sara Haftina, I assure you, as has been the critique by many, I am not as versed in the English Language, In fact, it is my biggest handicap, lagging behind the majority of commenters. What I think I am very well versed in is language. And the aversion to my language utilized by most, I am quite sure is not due to vulgarity, rather lack of comprehending/deciphering my lingo and or the desire or choice of the standard and official language choice by the majority due to their dislike (perhaps conditioned) of the lesser dialect…. As you have taken notice, due to the importance of reaching the readers at this juncture, the fork, on our collective road journey, I have conformed to communicate in the official language. [Its like the controversy of Tigrigna/Arabic/Tigrait/… “Official Language” to a lot lesser degree..) My decision is both self propelled as well as heeding to the positive connotations generously suggested to me by SJG and others, while discarding or minimizing the subtleties and jabs some have utilized.

          And until you pin point the alluded vulgar word blotted, I can’t help but think of it as a collective jab and or chicanery utilized by all of us ferocious fighters. I have utilized every english word I know to jab at the fog and murky waters for the sole purpose of clearing the debri which I believe is hindering all of us from obtaining the maximum gains for our individual or grouped desires. As I am seeing your comment but a mere hurdle, in part, and a stiff jab when one considers the details of it. And so as a parting jab to your dearest Sara, I will respectfully remind you that more than jabs, headbutts, elbowing, slapping does consist our arena of turbulent high seas, hurricanes, sinking boats, drowning souls, disappearances, lengthy incarcerations and life sentences, human organ harvesting, kidnappings, forced servitude and slave trade etc… has been our Eritrean arena. Therefore if I must throw a jab then I shall throw a jab. Here is a combo jab and a hook for my dear Sara, lovingly and with due respect to her and all readers: 1) “If you can’t handle the heat in then get out of the kitchen.” 2) “Sebayy delikhin ChiHmi tSeliEkn.” Never vulgar is the ant Sara Haftey. I thank you for the opportunity you have provided me to illustrate and use all comments as a teachable moment. xxxxxxxxxx is a non existent above the rules or law, implied vulgar words. You could prove me wrong by asking the A-Team to interpres other characters for your word to be legible.

          Regards,

          tSAtSE

          • sara

            tSAtSE dear,
            a’mna ismail was saying the other day “n’hna naf’hama wo he’ya tayera” some thing to that effect. i was hoping hat’ef hama wo he’ya tayra… but you didn’t this time. tSAtSE , xxxxxxxxx thing is not yours or about you …
            the good thing is by default you were able to address to those who always question your way of writing.
            so,lets move on …..

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi tSAtSe,
        Thank you for welcoming. I didn’t go anywhere though. My thoughts on your takes? I am humbled I am specifically asked. To the extent I understand them (12.7%) are unique, well spiced and positive.

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat,

      You detailed very well what this good Ambassador said. But at the end he negated all those by stating: 1) “…(with) military on the dam……no plitical gains….” 2) & no African would support war. The above two points, I beleive, will nullify all what he said above.

      His objective, with the interview, is just to show he is there….

      Thanks

    • MS

      Selam Hayat
      I agree with your critical look of the interview. I just would want to know why you overused the word “prostitution”. I understand it is a word that has poignant feeling especially for women. While prostitution is practiced by both sexes, you know the societal connotation is that only women prostitute. You also know that many victims of human traffickers are derisively called prostitutes.
      The second part of my short Hateta is:
      1. Eritreans by and large understand that peace will certainly prevail, and if handled properly, we can be the first beneficiaries of the dam after Ethiopians. The business of the dam, and whether it is good or bad for Ethiopia, concerns Ethiopians. There is a saying that goes something like this: when elephants fight it is always the grass that get hurt. So, it is important that Eritrea remains neutral in regional conflicts. Could pass that to the ambassador please!
      2. Egypt’s role during the armed struggle is full of swings, particularly during the last years when Boutros GHali was its foreign minister. Egypt was against Eritrean independence. Coincidentally, when ERitrea gained its de facto independence when Boutros was serving as the Secretary General of the UN. He did everything to frustrate the referendum.
      3. His account on how PFDJ stood up to the USA to deny it bases is just mesHaq (laughable); SAAY can retrieve tons of links that show how hard PFDJ lobbied to have the USA bases in Eritrea…..SAAY is on standby for your command…frankly it is not a crime to ask superpowers to have bases in your territory provided that there is a good framework of agreements where sovereignty and environmental issues are resolved and where the economic and security benefit outweighs the negative impacts foreign bases put on the citizens of the hoist countries: cultural, psychological, etc. So it is the lies that I object to. The Emirates are there. President IA also said “what’s wrong with allowing the Egyptians to have bases?”
      4. Eritreans read into these alignments within the current Ethio-Eritrean relationship. In the early 1990s, Egypt was enemy number one (listen to IA video clip on Egypt, 1993). It won’t take time until these alliance are broken because I think I know IA’s calculation and I think I know the calculations of the other players. In Tigrigna we call it ” klte goraHat HamuKushti snQOM” ; my Tinglish tells me it is something like “devious contenders will break even with zero scores”…well, something like that, now that our interpreter Semere Andom has refused pulling himself out of that dark hole, there is nothing I can do to make a better translation out of it….

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Mahmuday
        1. I understand what you are trying to say here. You need to broaden some concepts though to a political context. I was using the word Prostitution to show how PFDJ are playing an extremely cheap and dirty ball by any group standard let alone states. You don’t need to over feel it for them.
        2. The truth is Egypt can never care for Eritreans in any better way than Ethiopia. All the historical swings you mentioned were recorded against the swings of validity of Eritrea in terms of its usability of harming Ethiopia based on Egypt’s perception.
        3. I agree with what you said here. And the lies are what made me say what I said as well. Saay has been mercilessly more potent about it. And yet, you don’t only object to such lies at state level given in the name of a nation, you despise them. PFDJ officials lie despicably through their teeth all the time. And some time they do it as matter of force of habit when even they are forced to. Their problem is THAT WORD!
        4. “Eritrean read…”
        When are you going to stop saying stuff representing Eritreans? Tell me how and what the head of yourself read into it, and that will be good enough for me. But the biggest point here is how coldly you try to signal equivalence of Eritreans’ normative view towards Egypt and Ethiopia. This was in your number 1 take: “So, it is important that Eritrea remains neutral in regional conflicts.” This goes with your usual view: Ethiopia is not more or less Important to Eritrea than any next country. However, the truth is there is no neutrality as such that doesn’t consider own-national-interest. Eritrea’s national interest is in many more ways wired with that of Ethiopia’s than Egypt. Presenting Eritrea as a strategic depth of Egypt in alliance to harm Ethiopia while even Sudan is asserting its long term benefit based position is the cruelest joke played against Eritrea and the cheapest (THAT WORD) by PFDJ.
        I wish you a good day!
        Hayat

        • MS

          Selam Ha
          Well, the choice of words are personal; there is many ways of explaining political dealing. I don’t think Ethiopia was prostituting when it allowed its territory to become a “dark spot” where CIA did its “enhanced” interrogation or torture; I don’t think it was prostituting when it allowed the USA to use it in the campaign “against terror”. Political deals happen all the time. It is understandable that people explain them in language they feel comfortable in and in manners they are accustomed to. So, what I objected to is not the fact that Eritrea is having relations and alliances but on the botched narration of the ambassador. I understand, you don’t like this. And that is understandable too for I don’t expect you to see Eritrea’s interests outside the sphere of influence of Ethiopia.
          When I talk about Ethio-Eritrean mutual and interdependence, I’m thinking post PFDJ/TPLF, and I’m thinking within the notion that both countries will have mutual respect for their independent existence. In that sense, Sudan will be as important to Eritrea as Ethiopia is; Saudi Arabia will be as important to Eritrea as Ethiopia is SA, Egypt, etc. OK, my friend. And it’s important that Eritrea remains neutral in regional conflicts.
          My comment made distinction between the PFDJ ambassador’s blabbing and Eritrea’s national interest, you don’t like that, you may as well play your Prostxxxxxxs song. Xaxe will keep the rhythm, and I will be happy to be the lead guyitar player, tezaweri mekina tezaweriye…

          • Hi MS,

            Your hate for ethiopia may kill you, unless you do something about it. Simply, it is unbelievable that you could put ethiopia and prostitution together in the same sentence. You tried to do it covertly and indirectly, nevertheless, you message is well understood.
            H.A. used the term prostitution in relations to the pfdj, a political organization that is here today and gone tomorrow. Eprdf is the equivalent of pfdj and not ethiopia, if you feel that your regime is hurt, and you should defend it. Ethiopia is a nation of 100m people, and you do not have the moral high ground to speak of a nation in such a way. Cure yourself.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            Well said brother,,

            KS,,

          • MS

            Selam Ato Horizon
            In this context, except you and KS, mature people understand my mention of Ethiopia to mean the government. so, shall I kindergarten you? When people say “America and Russia agreed” do you take it to mean that 325 millions Americans sat across a huge table with 143 million individuals of the Russian Federation? [And WHERE COULD THEY GET SUCH A HUGE TABLE!!!] Well, you might think so. Who knows. Nowadays, we are getting to reading bizarre stuff. Anyway, I’m not from the weaklings who you have conditioned; and it does not matter if I like Ethiopia or not… (lesson #1. The fact is I don’t need to like you to make business with you (lesson #2).
            So now, my friend that word is not mine, and actually, I was against using it lightly. But some people are accustomed to certain expressions which may appear vulgar to others. So, go ahead and say it, it is not mine. Only crooked minds read it the way you read it. And save your cures for the ailment that are afflicting you. I’m fine.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MS,

            Why? Why, even use on this page such bad mouthing? Now, tell me why you use such hard word?
            “In this context, except you and KS, mature people understand my mention…” really what do you mean?

            KS,,

          • MS

            Dear KS

            Samehni! I read you saying “Well said brother” to him and I was really pissed off, forgive me. I edited it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank You MS,

            Now I will say it to you –“Well said brother”

            KS,,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam MS,
            .
            Boy, when confronted with the truth, you go banana ape bonkers.
            You are either bipolar (an illness) or having too many of that what you call…Latte…. early in the morning. When you least expect it, that deep hatred you have for Ethiopia slips out. It is a never ending struggle for you.
            .
            Other times you act as a statesman, patriot. professor and preacher until you burp your toxic belch. Your attempt to clean up the gaffe only succeeds in revealing the ugly stench of what is in your heart.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Kim Hanna
            You must be hurted by the truth , how can you act like this by reading the truth.

          • Selam MS,

            May be you believe in the kindergarten thing, because your explanation is for kindergarten children and not for mature people. Mature people say the ethiopian government, american government, russian government, etc, and not ethiopia, america, or russia, especially when they want to characterize another government in a negative context. They are extremely careful about the sentient of a nation. Unfortunately, crooked minds use crooked sentences, and they think that other people are naive and they do not understand.

          • MS

            Ato Horizon, hayat, berheY, kh, peace et al
            This is what I said, “Well, the choice of words are personal; there is many ways of explaining political dealing. I don’t think Ethiopia was prostituting when it allowed its territory to become a “dark spot” where CIA did its “enhanced” interrogation or torture; I don’t think it was prostituting when it allowed the USA to use it in the campaign “against terror”. Political deals happen all the time.”
            Do we need a translator. It is obvious I was trying to make the point that political dealings, diplomatic, economic, security, etc., relations happen every where, and we can use better language than the derisive word that poor women are stigmatized with. Can some one tell me from the above where I said Ethiopia as a nation prostitutes. So, you can stretch it until it breaks but my phrasing is intact.
            So, let us continue this “P” thing that Hayat loves, and apply it to Ethiopia.
            I think the world knows Ethiopia by its prostituting governments, in fact, Ethiopian regimes are known to run the most successful political brothel in the world. Ethiopian governments can’t function without their (insert Hayat’s word) clients, and the list of the clients is very long. There is no time when Ethiopian governments stood on their own feet, at times they (insert Hayat’s favorite word) against each other; and occasionally they scheduled to serve the west and the east at the same time. I have no idea how they managed it, and it is a 24/7 busy business…OK, there you have it. I’m glad to get the three Ethiopian awatista who harbor deep contempt for Eritrea at the same time and at the right angle, Hayat Adem, Horizon, and Kim Hana. The contempt you have for Eritrea and Eritreans is much much greater than the love you have for Ethiopia. What triggered your tantrum is something not related to Hayat’s favorite word. It is the fact that I talked about independent Eritrea, an Eritrea that should exist outside the absolute sphere of influence of any damn country. If there is anything Eritreans learned from the current situation, it is the fact that Eritrea should never put its eggs in one basket. Ethiopia’s boycott and economic embargo taught us that. So, Hayat, you may think of yourself as a maverick, that is until you unfold the next page. Eritreans also have their own calculus. And I can proudly speak about Eritrean and Eritreans. It is a cause I spent a good part of my life and it is a cause in which I saw the best of Eritrea. It is amazing to see a person who has bashed ERitrea and Eritreans to ask me not to speak in the name of Eritrea!! Tigrayet speakers say “menkor” when they hear such an absurd audacity. Go ahead, I’m here, but you may want to do practices on the pushovers before you enter the ring.

          • saay7

            Dear all:

            Fanti once did me a favor and summarized what I said in 12 pages in a few sentence. Let’s see if I can pay that forward and do same for Mahmudays (MS) hatetas:

            1. I disassociated myself from PFDJ a long time ago and very publicly after the Lampedusa event;
            2. I consider the EPLF largely a force for good but have nothing to do with PFDJ which I consider a perversion of EPLF;
            3. I am aligned with forces trying to bring positive change to Eritrea but I have concerns that some or many of them are using a form of Rahm Emmanuelism
            4. Rahm Emanuel, Obamas chief of staff, once said that “a crisis should not go to waste”: instead of solving the crisis, go after everything you have ever wanted to change whether you have the mandate or not
            5. When Rahm Emanuelism strikes, I will strike back hard. If I was willing to disassociate myself from life-long friends and comrades, what makes you think I will not strike back hard at people who are using our current crisis to redefine Eritrea and Eritrranism?

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Sir,

            Well summarized !
            Do You mean it?

            KS

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            Paying forward is different than trying to reinforce broken arrows of a much loved friend. I would call this “defense”.
            1. What is the use of disassociating oneself from PFDJ at every Lampedusa-like tragic event and then developing a sympathetic heart in between the tragedies?
            2. How is PFDJ having nothing to do with EPLF? Was EPLF made up of the G-15 only? Wasn’t EPLF an organization of 120k tegadelti + EPLF leadership + the work system? Where did they go? Is it not true they have transformed themselves on the large part to PFDJ? If PFDJ has nothing to do with the EPLF, Mahmuday would never be reluctant to break off. It is not when truth is dirty but when it is shallow that gets more dangerous.
            3. The kind of change sought, if genuine, must be different from repairing broken eggs. The only possible positive change from a broken eggs must only be a nice omelet. There is no positivism in defending broken eggs or there is no positivism in saying views that advance the notion of “if PFDJ must go, TPLF too must go or else…if PFDJ is called a prostitute, then Ethiopia must be called a prostitute..” or/and sorts
            4. Tell me if this crisis is solvable or improvable: exodus, impunity, no rule of law, militarization, grievances and imbalances soaring, youth bleeding, no formal economy or national management, sanctions, isolation, recklessness…how do you improve a determined system and actors who monopolized every power and life to advance all those short of change?
            5. All definitions and narratives advanced by PFDJ will naturally risk redefinition. National narratives are best represented by their people and citizens. PFDJ represents itself. If Mahmuday wants to stand guard of the PFDJ values, it is his choice. He shouldn’t be naive to think we can mistake his shadow for the real figure of him.

          • saay7

            Selam Hayat:

            Responding to each point you made would defeat the whole purpose of creating Mahmudaism 101. It is a matter of perspective isn’t it: if you are in the extreme end of a pole (say, the left) the center is no longer the center but another extreme. To me, you actually symbolize the extreme end, and you don’t have to take my word for it: many of those who see you as their queen don’t just hate the PFDJ but the whole premise of an independent Eritrean state.

            And on top of that you tend to be a little tone deaf to whether a person who uses “Hayat Adem” as her monicker would use “prostituting” which was Mahmudays point, which you didn’t get: I know of no woman, at least an empowered woman, who doesn’t object to using the word “prostitute” in any context. Take a survey and come back to us.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Saay,
            I will only respond to one point of yours. Mahmuday and you are being short changed by your inner value system about prostitution. It is funny you both are trying to tattoo that word to a certain sex. And the way you both are trying to imply a reference out of it shows how hard you are trying to say something pretending not be saying it. And yes men do practice prostitution in more ways than women. And yet you are saying it is only wrong to say but if it has to be said it is only men who are the expected side that can be understood saying it on women… seems to me the most shameful sound track of your views. AND yes, moral and political prostitution is what is being discussed here and PFDJ is the most soaked group of such character I have ever known in recent history in our region. They go to Iran, they go to Egypt, to Qatar, to UAE,..to Crimea… all the way for one purpose to prostitute.

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            Dont listen to MaHmuday or me: conduct a survey of women and come back and report your findings. I recommend liberated women. Then u will be in tune with their views and their rationale for it. Who knows, you might even say something very rare like “oh, gee, I never knew; now I understand.”

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay & Hayat,

            You sound “Kilete gorahat hamukishiti Sinqom”. While the word “prostitute” in itself is applicable in “politics” as well as in “socio-moral values”, why are one argue on the political application of the word and the other on the socio-moral value of the word? Yegermal!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            You raised arguably a valid point in defense of M.S. You said that MS was objecting to the very derogatory term prostitution on her post. Fair enough.
            .
            How would you explain his turn about then and use the same derogatory word. The very word he abhorred, came out easily and with relish to bring historical data, from long gone days, to tarnish the whole country.
            .
            Do you believe there was no malice in his post? Was he justified in your opinion?
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • MS

            Selam K.H
            I am fortunate enough to know ethiopia and Ethiopians through decent folks. OK. The “Ethiopianness” I read from you, Hayat and Hroizon does not exist there. i see respectable people who care about the feelings of others, who have made a positive conclusion on the independence of Eritrea. This are people who like the war to end, and both countries to establish normal relationship. Once these are done, the rest is about dollar and sense; it is about peaceful interaction between peoples and market elements.
            You come here as activists. you reap what you sow. Come in peace, will will engage peacefully; come loaded with old chauvinistic attitudes, you will be met with temeTaTagn melash…..OK, buddy. And I don’t have to tell you I like your “Ethiopia”. I like the Ethiopia embodied in the decent Ethiopians I meet on daily basis. You may have conditioned some Eritreans, I’m not one of them. I do have enough supply of the carrots and sticks. You want carrot, you get it; you want the stick, you get it (some are custom made). Le’ante dula nowa….Yiqr belelegn ebakh.

          • Selam MS,

            The thing I fail to understand is that for you eritrean independence is still an issue and a topic of discussion, more than 25 yrs after its existence. If you leave out H.A., whose eritrean identity you have suspended rather annulled until she repents and apologizes, which she is never ever going to do so, and her only sin being having an independent mind, many ethiopians on this site have told you so many times that to the great majority of ethiopians (even to the ethiopians you mentioned above, who do not fulfill the ‘ethiopianness’ that is to your special taste), eritrean independence does not matter to them anymore, now and for ever.

            In one of your previous comments, referring to the three of us, you said ‘the contempt you have for eritrea and eritreans is much much greater than the love you have for ethiopia.’. I should remind you that this was taken from us from ‘the hate you have for ethiopia is much more than the love you have for eritrea’. It was said by many ethiopians in the past to people like you.

            One last thing; ironically, eritrea’s independence is in danger from the pfdj and its supporters (the cause of the eritrean youth exodus, economic stagnation, militarization, dismantling of the eritrean social and family fabric, etc), and more or less guaranteed by tplf, which had said that it fought for eritrean independence much more than eritreans themselves, and they will fight again if eritrean independence is put in danger by ethiopia. You should have had peace of mind as much as eritrean independence is concerned, and you should have helped to dismantle the number one enemy of eritrea and eritreans, which is no other than the pfdj, which is not the product of parthenogenesis as you try to say, but the continuation of eplf, for whom you have a soft heart. Remember, no eritrean regime is bigger than eritrea and eritreans.

          • MS

            Selam Horizon
            While I appreciate your presence here, but if you are really concerned about Ethiopia, please spend a fraction of the time and energy you spend here on helping out Ethiopia feel comfortable with itself. Today, the headlines are horrible draught in Ethiopia which is primarily man made, and a scary situation where ethnic strife is on the rise, something Ethiopia has not faced in the past. Eritrea will change, but it is not going to be under the agency of your flag, it will be by patriots who have no country other than Eritrea. It will change sooner than you might think, and it will change for good.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Mr.Horizon,

            To say– thank you — only ,,

            “You should have had peace of mind as much as Eritrean independence is concerned, and you should have helped to dismantle the number one enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans, …”

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Selamat Mr Kim:

            People: Give’em hell, Harry!
            Harry Truman: I never give’em hell; I just give’em the truth and they think it’s hell

            So, you see, MaHmuday is not an offensive guy. He is a counteroffensive guy. I think what he should have done is put the word in quotation marks to indicate that he is quoting Hayat and then use Ethio Gov in lieu of Ethiopia.

            Otherwise, objectively measured, Ethiopian rulers have always used a crutch to rule, from the time of the Portugese to the present. Just like the Eritrean ambassador finally admitted that Egypt was useful to the Eritrean revolution, at some future date, some Ethiopian official will admit that Ethiopian rulers have always relied on Egyptian (church), Portuguese, American, Russian, Cuban help to establish and sustain their rule. But Ethiopia is not there and won’t be for a long time as that would violate a long established narrative of “unlike the rest of Africa….”

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Harry Truman……..the truth.
            .
            MS ….should have put the word in quotes.
            .
            MS …should have identified the Eth. Gov. in lieu of Ethiopia.
            .
            Portuguese…….Portuguese…////..\\ …..Portuguese???
            .
            The disheartening truth is there is no justice in this world..is there? The logic of your judgment reminded me of the FBI Director Comey’s assessment of Hillary Clinton. MS is Hillary. It is political, it has nothing to do with the truth.
            There is one silver lining on this thread, and that is the illustration on mega highway advertising board. It declares TRUTH + FALSE = FALSE.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Mr Kim:

            Ah you have been attracted to yet another shiny object Truth + false is not equal to false. It can be mostly true or mostly false. It’s like adding positive and negative numbers which can result in positive, negative or zero value. Hayat s formula work only if we use multiplication properties —but truth and falsehood only follow the addition not the subtraction rule. So what you thought was a neon sign is just graffiti 😀

            Saay

          • MS

            Selam SAAY
            Thank you, Sir. Hayat is using the unhealthy ambiance created by the skirmishes of folks who should be cooperating. Everything she does is taking advantage of the open and free exchanges Eritreans do in this forum. Her visual field is so narrow that she could not make sense of how diverse Eritreans are. It is like “dedhri adgi keded tret adgi lemeded. if she is meandering around Eritreans who sing the same theme songs: tegadelti shafatu eyom, Eritrean deformed identity, yada…yada…she surely will think that you and i represent fringe opinions.
            Every time she calculates she is making headway in her campaign to dismantle Eritrea, she upend the bar even higher. And thus, today, we are faced with a weird test: to be admitted as an opponent to PFDJ, you have to like Ethiopia (read: wayane). Aye Gadooo!!!
            I know you don’t entertain accolades, but i must say “Thank you” for standing tall. The public knows the heavy price you keep paying; may God give you a break and unite you with your family members who are languishing in the prisons of PFDJ, and despite all that you never lost your direction. Indeed, a stubborn Eritrean patriot, well, i know you don’t like that either, but you deserve it…teleTeTo..

          • saay7

            MaHmuday:

            Here’s an honest test (based on the honor system) that people can administer to themselves:

            If you were never a part of the EPLF in any form (tegadalay, hafash wdbat, or admirer), then to oppose the PFDJ is not hard

            If you have always hated the EPLF and everything it stood for, if everybody you know and admire is in the opposition, then being an opposition is as easy as breathing as everyday is an “I told you so but you wouldn’t listen” moment.

            If, on the other hand, everyone you know and admire is or was in the EPLF/PFDJ, if you were part of the EPLF (tegadalay, hafash wdbat, admirer), then to stand in opposition of the PFDJ is to break every social bond you ever had. That is very hard and thus my admiration for you. And when one finds these rare people, the goal should be to encourage and welcome them and not find every single difference to say “aha! Ezi de’a fqru aywdde’en!

            Where we have failed at is in creating a movement from these three groups because we are not people-centered enough.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Saay,
            You raised a valid discussion point here. You said: “if you were part of the EPLF (tegadalay, hafash wdbat, admirer), then to stand in opposition of the PFDJ is to break every social bond you ever had. That is very hard and thus my admiration for you.” Is that true though? I would argue from the opposite. If you were EPLF and you believed EPLF was largely a force of good, then you must either believe PFDJ is a continuation or a deviation. If the former, Mahmuday would still stand consistent. If the latter, Mahmuday should find it to be a noble and justified cause not just to sever his relationship but fight against them because that would be a direct assault on his loved EPLF. I have not seen either of them except his vacillation back and forth, for and against. The law of logic tells us that True + False = FALSE.
            I don’t agree with the notion you implied that witnessing a separation of supporters from PFDJ is a rare occurrence, not any longer. It is an indoor exodus of another kind. If PFDJ was to survive with mere reasoning and not gunning, it would look like a deserted town today.
            That is aside, I will agree with you that the goal of the struggle must be to encourage and welcome such people regardless of the number.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            JumaA mubarek Hayat:

            If you believe PFDJ is a perversion of EPLF (ie, take all of the bad qualities of EPLF with none of the good) then what you have is a hollow organization with one boss and tens of thousands of people with no rights. Some may have privileges but they don’t have rights. So while you can hate the man and those with privileges, it is very natural and human to have sympathy and empathy for the tens of thousands of the drones and worker bees IF they were your comrades and shared a trench with you. This challenge does not exist to the category 1 and 2 I mentioned above.

            True, many have left and are leaving the PFDJ. But what percentage of them publicly (using their real names and pictures) then stand up and take a stand? Extremely few. And that’s what makes MaHmuday special.

            saay

          • MS

            Selam Hayat Habtey
            You never fail to present me with a gift I could not decline. I was not about to reply but then I thought: first of all the categorization does not bother me, you know- after all it is coming from Hayat. Secondly, you are just declaring how intolerant dembe Hayatina is. And this is why: Given your depiction that I’m PFDJ, If PFDJ could be thought to be facilitating and tolerating the kind of dissention Mahmuday does, AND the sort of criticism Mahmuday level against them, how low could dembe Hayatina get to not be tolerating me? This is called self-defeat 101.
            Interpretation: according to the logic one can drive from your dibliqliq assertions, PFDJ is more tolerant than the opposition you espouse. Tewaredna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • mt girm

            Selam Saay,
            ‘ They lost and handed over their weapons, turned their faces towards their wives and then came unto me’
            Mengistu Hailemariam

          • blink

            Dear mt grim
            how many Ethiopian solidiers do say such words , we lost count of them.

          • mt girm

            Selam blink
            It’s like American’s last day favourite meal. You enjoy it but you don’t live it.

          • mt girm

            Selam says,
            Your careful attempt to lay the grounds to finally blame us for the redefinition of Eritrea and Eritreanism will not pass unnoticed. Eritreanism is redefined not because we exploited your crises but because your crises exploited you.

          • mt girm

            Selam MS,
            You are simply objecting to Ethiopia’s enforcement of the separation. So does Pfdj

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            MS used the example to make a point that, countries do create and make allies for their national interest and it’s not different for Eritrea as its for Ethiopia. He can use Djibouti (as it allied it self with the US, France, China) and the message is the same. That does not mean he hates Djibouti as you are implying he hates Ethiopia.

            Berhe

          • Selam BY.,
            Nobody has the right to dictate eritrea’s foreign policy. That is not the issue. The point is that he puts ethiopia and prostitution together in the same sentence for no reason at all. You see, there is this saying, ‘what is said is not as important as the person who said it’, because some people have a purpose for saying what they said.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; I don’t think you have any clue with what is going on with your country under your stupid weyane.A civil war is raging in your country by design by TPLF, under principles of create conflict and manage it, the great Oromo are getting attacked by your Khat addicted Somaian, yet you have a problem with a wording what Mahmuday has use to in context?
            when it comes to Eritrea and Ethiopia, the game is over, Eritrea has prevailed as always. Your government has announced that “Eritrea is no more threat to Ethiopia i.e. we have a new policy towards Eritrea” Translation? Eritrea won in every corner of the game.Can you imagine, after all what your stupid government has go through simply to wave a white flag. PIA is the man! He got the job done aginst all odds.Again!!!!!!!!!

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            it is not the word that anoys you but the truth hurts and that is the case for most of you . you guys can not handle the truth and this has been like a known factor. The truth hurts when you try to protect the open truth. Ethiopian governments has been a red light for 1000 years

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink

            What are you trying to say? “The truth hurts when you try to protect the open truth.” who do you think is saying clearly, the truth?

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear kokhob
            I wonder why you are trying to wash awaythe crime of EPRDF over the Ethiopian people by your love for weyane and hate for EPLF . is not it time you narrate things that reflect your justice seeking wish.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother

            Just move !!! you are trying to force me do that..ha ha

            What !!! the accident is now? by the way now EPLF is not governing Ethiopia.. That is EPRDF Federal government of Ethiopia.. leading with constitution toward progress, and well being of the people. Don’t you see ?

            You see, now LET US CLEAN OUR HOUSE. first of all ..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon and MS,

            Words and choices of words matter in communicating and conveying the messages. We are not careful on how to chose our words. Hence we are spending our time either to correct them or clarify what we mean on our comments. This is one of the issues that bring confusions and dragging.

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon: the master of pious platitude,

            What’s wrong with advising Hayat Adem to explain things in a respectful manner? Sometimes she chooses bad words like the above and “whorish” although she claims she borrowed from Serray. And the other thing is what has to do with love or hate of Ethiopia? What’s the point of fake outrage while your people are taking TPLF bullets and becoming refugees within their own country? Get REAL!

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Mahmuday,
            My manners are just fine and I never think of myself as verbally improper. I am using consciously against PFDJ because I truly believe they deserve it. In any case, you thought that was too much but amazingly you seem to be comfortable applying it against the entire nation of 100 million. That was interesting.
            You said, “I don’t expect you to see Eritrea’s interests outside the sphere of influence of Ethiopia.” That true but not a complete one. Everything being normal and all good forces acting naturally and rationally, I can’t see Eritrea outside the sphere of the influence of Ethiopia and Ethiopia outside the sphere of influence of Eritrea. And it is odd, Eritrea preferring Egypt to Ethiopia. It is really odd people like you are not seeing how that kind of oddity of alliance would eventually make Eritrea and Ethiopia pay the high price. One explanation could be what Horizon hinted: hate blinds one to the extent of hurting oneself hoping to hurt the hated worse. That is an art of sustaining the pain gain for nothing.
            You don’t need a reason to believe in anything positive.You write good and you command a good language, and yet you leave your readers more often confused. Do you know why? It must be because of the so many pretentious dances you are trying to negotiate your way out. You hate Ethiopia, you hate the Eritrean opposition, you don’t support ethnic group political rights in Eritrea but you pretend to support aggrieved ethnic groups in Ethiopia. For you, Egypt and Ethiopia are equally important for Eritrea.
            PFDJ is not only a liar, but they lie for cheap price, and prostitute for cheap price. Why do you worry about them being called by their real name. How is one so sensitive of describing PFDJ as political prostitutes and he is okay about calling Ethiopia using that descriptive? And then, when alerted that same person doesn’t even try to apologize but rationalizes bizarrely claiming that Ethiopia = the government?
            There is no worldly way you can have a soft heart for PFDJ at this time and pretend to be for Eritrea and Eritreans. An addition to one side is a subtraction to other. And no matter how you try to comment anything about Ethiopia in the interest of sharing a bad record, it doesn’t matter. Even if you are telling a mountain of stories of sins in Ethiopia, Eritrea is melting away by the day. The true concern of true Eritreans should remain seized of that nightmarish reality.
            I think you are not doing a favor to yourself in coming naked with every comment you come up.

  • Tell Truth

    It clearly shows how desperate Eritreans are…

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi, please tell the truth,
      Eritreans are not desperate in the way you mean it. If that was the case, there are nations who were in worse desperation for ages. Don’t gloat.

  • Mez

    Dear awate,
    the interview didn’t reveal any thing spectacular or important to take a note. At the end whatever he said, on Egypt & Ethiopia a sort of, balances out.

    Thanks

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Staff,

    Al Masri Al Youm is not a main stream news paper in Egypt, like Al Ahram. And
    under the current regime what is written in the main stream media matters
    because it reflects the policy of the government. The regime in Egypt has shown
    reasonable approach towards dealing to the issue of the Dam with Ethiopia and
    issues related to it and that matters and is the yes or no at the end of the
    point.

    I wish awate focuses on main stream media, otherwise it has to show integrity what to translate
    and from which newspaper in its news coverage.
    There are many non main stream media everywhere including the US, so does it mean Awate
    is going to cover them.

    N/B the ambassador, is half Egyptian and his woos about the Dam, is as we say Qontiyato Gdi..

    Maa Salama

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi berhan,
      It’s not what others say but what the Eritrean ambassador said. And it doesn’t matter where he said it because it reflects his regime!s policies not Egyptian policy.

      • Brhan

        Hi Saleh,
        I am trying to explain that the regime (Eritrean) policy towards the subject matter of the article is irrelevant, thus insignificant. I am afraid that by translating the article and posting it in this great website, we helped the the Eritrean regime to have another media outlet ( awate) to his bla bla because again, what the regimes says about the subject matter doesn’t matter to either Egypt or Ethiopia.

        I hope I clarified my point

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Brhan,
          I understand your concern but I think it is a bit exaggerated. The Subject matter is the attempt of the Eritrean regime to always fish for trouble to ignite a confrontation. The subject matter is also to reflect the manner in which the PFDJ conducts its diplomacy and the type of its statesmanship, not because it matters to either Egypt or Ethiopia, which is the last concern of Gedab News. The statements should matter to Eritreans to show how it deals in their name. I hope you understand that.

          • Brhan

            Hello Saleh,
            All that you have said is true but it is not new to Eritreans

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhan,
            Okay. Please let it go and we move on.

      • Burhan Ali

        where is my comment?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Ahlen Burhan,

          I was wondering what happen to it. I read it and when I came back after posting mine to the same issue, it disappeared. I thought you pull it.

    • Burhan Ali

      Ahlan Brhan

      No Sir, Almasry Al youm is not a backwater second rate newspaper, it is today equal to or even Superior to Alahram. The reason for this being so, is because al masry al youm is a private newspaper with extremely wide distribution, in Egypt and the Arab world. Al Ahram today is reduced to the rank of Haddas Eretra, not that it was not so from the beginning, but it is ashes today!
      Al Masry Al Youm in spite of its quasi independant status is a true supporter of Generals Rule. many times the Egyptian authorities leaked news to the world using al masry al youm. AL Masry al Youm is in fact the unofficial mouthpiece of the real ruling Elites: The Military, Business men, and the Egyptian Cinema industry, in that order.

      but there were few glaring examples from the near past that showed that Al Masry Al Youm could do what Ahram would dare. if you have forgotten it was this news paper which brought the plea of Eritreans in Sinai to the Egyptian public sight. its reporter was the first to track the footsteps of these unfortunate people to a site of their sprawling grave-yard. Al Masry Al Youm’s shots of skeletons and mutilated bodies of Eritreans and Sudanese which were going around the world.
      AL Masry al Youm is in fact the unofficial mouthpiece of the real Ruling Elite: The Military, Business men, and the Egyptian Cinema industry, in that order.

      I hail Awate for bringing the interview to its readers, it exposed, further, the ignorance and short memory of the ambassador, as well as the double-dealings and hypocracy of the regime.

      • Brhan

        Hello Burhan Ali
        I would have been surprised if the interview was by AL-AHRAM because I believe you agree with me that the Egyptian ambassador would have been summoned at the ministry of foreign affairs in Addis and that could have been newsworthy to cover

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Brhan,

      Do you have any suspicion that the interview wasn’t happened? if the interview was held irrespective in which news media it was, it is news to us Eritreans to scrutinize the policy of the Eritrean regime. I don’t understand you to limit to certain news outlets.

      Regards

      • Brhan

        Mehaba Amanuel,
        I do not have any suspicion but since when there is new about the policy of the Eritrean regime.. The regime is like Asha Hade Derfu. What do we do…we ignore it. If we deliver his message to others then we are serving him.
        I am not asking for limitation what I said the Egyptian regime, like any regimes will be accountable if it says wrong in its official and semi official newspapers like AL Ahram newspaper.
        Selamat

    • Selama Brhan,

      Either Awate Staff is retracing the regional dynamics of the past several years, starting with Egypt or I will lean towards your thinking in seeing absolutely no value in republishing / translating the above article. If it is the former, then AT has boldly started an excellent and timely, more than a conversation, an Eritrean (and Ethiopian as well) dialogue as has been hinted.
      If it is the later or also for the purposes of further kicking a dead horse, i.e. critiquing the Eritrean PFDJ administration and its appointed representatives, yours truly would suggest to AT and the editors to not slide further for the worst as you have done mildly. You are right, at a time when Awate.com press is promoting better developed and equipped major news outlet that is Al Jazeera, to utilize little recognized, globally, The Cairo Daily (and I could be wrong, but relatively..) makes little sense to me. Now, if awate.com’s has a significant readers in Masri, then I am wrong. But English being AT’s greater effort, I always understood that it catered to the West (US, Canada, EU and Australia). I suspect Egypt and the delineation, more like defining the new Eritrean-Ethiopian Line of Conflict vis-a-vis Water and the GERD may is the motive.
      Here, Nitric’s shared link from Madote titled “Imagined Conflicts” could serve for Eritreans and Ethiopians not to hook their trailer just yet on this new narrative prelude. All Eritrean people need to realise, though better managed than the Intra-Ethiopian conflicts, (The Somali Oromo clash as reported by an Ethiopian News outlet for example), the partisan rigidity and respective bravado we should discard ASAP as it has only served to exasperate and increase the evils of decades past Eritrea a thousand folds now. The perceived, better managed unity of Eritrea’s People over Ethiopia particularly by Pro PFDJ Gov’t is only due to the 1:10 ratio advantage. Nothing to take pride in, as both Eritrea and Ethiopia are multinational States with the exact the same problem as the people of both nations are nearly identical in their cultures and history. On the other hand, without going into detail now, we all should be cognizant to the equal arrogance of the opposition in their sloganeering and declarations of maintaining Eritrea’s Unity and sovereignty.
      Folks, I believe there is a Trojan Horse and “known unknowns” at play. For now though I will contain this comment to be regarding Media and the Press. I believe, the Eritrean Press and Eritrean Journalism is saddly on this week of 9/18 is indicating the poor quality and standards it is in.
      In addition to this translated article I will point you no further than Erimedrek.com’s Eritrean Government’s version of Meta Data which is a translation of Mr. Edward Snowden-Meta Data-and Russian Defection. In Erimedrek’s case they realised quickly the counterproductive and zero value of their initial report and frantically reversed in the opposite direction their first assertion.
      Again, my concern is Eritrea’s National Free Press Day, September 18th and the Constitution (coincidentally, the Admiral Saay7 mentioned 9/19 was Constitution Day in the USA.)
      Dear Brhan, it is high time that the Irons such as yourself sharpen Iron which are Eritrean Leadership. All voices must come together now and be emphatic to take responsibility in directing our Eritrea on to the right pass.

      I will leave you and the forumers, with Brother said’s Mandela, Milosevic and Balkanization timely contemplation by suggesting you to reread his comment.

      “Good Night and Good Luck.” Edward R Murrow

      tSAtSE

      PS: Pardon my lengthy “Hateta”. It is partly induced by Ms. Hyatt Adem’s, (Welcome back HA) unintended effect on reverting to the resigned attitudes/moods by reverting back into our respective comforts–my fear along with MaHmooday “The Best” Salih’s salivating to box two pair tag team boxers at a time, HA+iSEM and SJG+tSASE, not only at the same time but in a triangle shaped boxing ring. I wouldn’t want #1’s head to swell and claim that he is AAnter Triangle/Delta/Change and announce he is “The Greatest”… MaHmooday you are The Best but The Greatest is eternally claimed by M. Ali, Sir. The Rumble in The Jungle and Zaire will be my next entry folks. AstewEil.

  • Selam All,

    It is difficult to understand what the pfdj regime tries to gain from this political opportunism. It tried with the russians in the case of crimea, and this is the second time with egypt. The first was when dia went to cairo to tell the egyptian government that it is the master of the nile. Of course, Egyptians are not fools to believe this nonsense, the least one can say.

    A politics of biting the hands of a previous benefactor by standing with the enemy, is a grave mistake, especially when the enemies are too many to ignore. It was julius caesar who said ‘love treason but not the traitor’, and qatar will be forced to think a lot about its future foreign policy.

    Does the pfdj ambassador expect that the egyptian government doesn’t know the facts, when he talks of ‘ethiopia’s phobia about eritrea’s relationship with egypt’ as if the his regime has not inculcated the eritrean society with the fear of ostensible ethiopian invasion (the main reason for the open end military service), and ‘ethiopia conspiring with the usa and some gulf countries (qatar) to make egypt thirsty’? Egypt is the number one recipient of american aid. This is not going to help the regime in any way imaginable, and egyptian politicians are not going to fall for it.

    I do not know how much egyptian politicians would like to hear this; ‘egypt has helped eritrea in the time of its armed struggle to gain independence, and it provided us with arms, financial, and political support’, because this was denied by both sides up to now.

    ‘Our main disagreement with america is eritrea’s refusal to establish a military base on its soil,’ while the whole world knows that the opposite is true.

    Mubarek is not yet dead, and he is still an important figure behind the scene, and trying to condemn him prematurely is political amateurship.

    It was a show of political clownism. It is a pity that such people rule eritrea. Eritreans deserve much more serious and mature politicians. I am sure there are many.

  • Selamat Awate Staff,

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    A century earlier, another traveler arrives in Egypt: Solomon Schechter, a Cambridge professor hunting for a medieval archive hidden in a Cairo synagogue. Both he and Josie are haunted by the work of the medieval philosopher Moses Maimonides, a doctor and rationalist who sought to reconcile faith and science, destiny and free will. But what Schechter finds, as he tracks down the remnants of a thousand-year-old community’s once-vibrant life, will reveal the power and perils of what Josie’s ingenious work brings into being: a world where nothing is ever forgotten.

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    Let us guide and steer then. “To infinity and beyond.”

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