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Egypt To The rescue: Isaias’ Game Interrupted

Isaias Afwerki loves speculation, but he loves rumors about him even more.

Between April 28 and 29 Isaias was on a state visit to Saudi Arabia. It was not a rumor, he did arrive in Saudi Arabia because it was reported by the Saudi media, with pictures. But though he controls all the media outlets in Eritrea, none of them announced his state visit.

It was unusual for a media that reports his every movement, even when he makes an insignificant trip to the countryside, not to report a visit that his second and third tier websites were all gangho about. It’s exceptionally unusual.

When Isaias travels around the countryside, the state television camera keeps the car he is in, and his entourage, in the frame for a length of time that feels like eternity.

On April 25, 2015, shabait, the official government website, reported that Isaias received “a South Sudan delegation headed by Mr. Nial Deng Nial, Chief Negotiator of the Republic of South Sudan.” Three days later, he made the unannounced state visit to Saudi Arabia. Shabait didn’t have anything to announce about it.

Worse,  Saudi media outlets reported that Isaias’ two-day visit ended on Wednesday but none of them reported his departure to his country. Diplomatic protocol  requires a farewell ceremony where a gust of honor is seen off by his host, or his representative, and where the guest ascends to the airplane, stops at the door waving his hand and smiles from ear to ear, and on television all that is shown with some stale background music.

None of that happened. And no Saudi media outlet reported when and to where Isaias left. Who would have expected Isaias to leave Saudi Arabia silently, the same way Hajji  Mustafa Shabry did, unnoticed?

Hajji  Mustafa Shabry is a Malaysian bus driver who was on a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

The Official regime owned outlets? They reported Isaias’ return to Eritrea the same way they reported his departure: in silence.

If the trip to Saudi Arabia was half as important as his fans try to make it, then the ruling party’s media must be in trouble. Isaias didn’t appear on television since then, probably engaged in his favorite hobby: hide and seek.

If Isaias doesn’t return to the public eye soon by appearing on television, the rumor mill will certainly gain speed, runaway. Speculations are already circulating. The two main speculations are that he is either undergoing medication in Saudi Arabia, or he silently went to Qatar for the same reason. But that could not be true; according to Bronwyn Bruton, Isaias “looks fifty.” Or thereabouts. He is feeling so young and healthy he has joined the Eritrean cycling team.

One more thing: another rumor says he ordered the pilot of the Saudi airplane to divert the flight from Asmara and he landed in Massawa, and that is where he is hiding.

If you are wondering who Bronwyn Bruton is, she is a lady who also has a hobby, playing a teenager rock star fan and pontificating about the issues of the Horn of Africa. She told VoA that she was invited to Eritrea “because I have been critical of Ethiopia the door [to Eritrea] has been open and I have had a standing invitation to go for many years.

Eritreans who could not visit their homeland for decades and who have seen the remains of their relatives denied entry to Eritrea, should not be angry, it is in their mind. The regime of the fifty-year-old Isaias has the widest open door in the world. Ask Bruton who said that though Eritrea “have a reputation for being close, but I have not had that experience.” If you have difficulty finding the door, just change your name to Bruton.

But how can a president play hide and seek when, unlike Eritrea, there are functioning newspapers in the rest of the world! AlAhram spoiled the game and outed the hiding president, sort of. Today it reported that “Egypt’s foreign minister Sameh Shoukry will visit South Sudan on Wednesday, followed by a visit to Eritrea.

So, Isaias has actually returned to Eritrea, or he will return before the Egyptian foreign minister lands at the busy Asmara airport, if  he is not in Massawa already. If not, the Egyptian guest will be received by Osman Saleh, the Eritrean foreign minister who will be accompanied by his chaperon Yemane Gebreab, the presidential adviser.

 

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  • Hayat Adem

    Dearest Yay

    Your questions for me and my answers briefly:
    You said: [1. You say “The number of people fleeing Eritrea has tripled.” without substantiation.]
    That can be established from multiple reliable sources. UNHCR is one. The UN refugee agency said in one of its many confirming reports that “the number of asylum-seekers in Europe from Eritrea over the first 10 months of this year has risen threefold compared to the same period in 2013. In Ethiopia and Sudan, neighboring Eritrea, the number of Eritrean refugees has also increased sharply. ”http://www.unhcr.org/546606286.html

    You said: [ 2.Then, you seemingly believing Frida Ghitis’s reasoning (whether it actually reflects realities in Eritrea or not), you said, “PFDJ minders want to tell us these may be non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans for easy asylum shopping.” I don’t know what “PFDJ minders” means to you, but some GOER officials and Eritreans have been telling (not “want to tell”) us that there are (not “may be”) non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans as a short-cut means of immediately attaining asylum in certain European and North American countries. The Eritrean Embassy in Canada, to its surprise, discovered one by accident. The Eritrean Embassy in Israel had been saying so for years now.]
    Only in the 10 months of 2014, over 37,000 Eritreans claimed asylum in Europe. That is only in 10 months, and that is only in Europe. Add to that the ones that are over spilling refugee camps in neighboring countries. The ones that are between Sudan and the Middle East, the ones that are between Maghreb and Europe, the ones that are between the Caribbean and North America. Do the math. So you said the Eritrean embassy in Canada found one asylee to be non-Eritrean, our embassy in Israel found another non-Eritrean. Why couldn’t they find more than one in all those years and amidst all these masses of immigrants from Eritrea? Doesn’t it tell you about the insignificance of that number? So subtract two (or multiply them by 10, or by 100, or even by 1000) from the hundreds of thousands. You’ll still have hundreds of thousands fleeing Eritrea.

    You said: [3. Continuing, you said, ” There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean just to vegetate in Shimelba and in the MedSea unless one is truly Eritrean. ” You are conflating two things here, and lets separate them: (a) “There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean just to vegetate in Shimelba and in the MedSea….”; and (b) ” There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean …unless one is truly Eritrean.” I would have little problem agreeing with statement (a)—(the little problem is that only those who are in Shimelba can say why they are there, and I don’t believe it is their aim to vegetate there). But I disagree with the (b) statement.]
    It is reported that life in the refugee camps are very harsh. It is also reported the time to wait there before frog lifted to Europe or the Americas is very long. So have to either believe all the refugees in Camps like Shimelba are 100% Eritreans or there are some from Tigray among them. How do they do it practically bypassing the refugee establishments and without being noticed and exposed by the real refugees themselves is even beside the issue. Let’s just think it is easy to blend in to the camps without being bothered to be detected as a fake refugee. Would you believe anyone any number of young people from Tigray would choose to live in those camps as refugees in their own homeland leaving their families and report themselves as if they arrived from Eritrea and build a new background story about their identity? This would be the most ridiculous argument to hear.

    You said: [4. And then you said, “The only people who could be tempted to report as Eritreans for easy asylum are the ones who could speak Eritrean languages and explain Eritrea to some extent. These can only be very minimal in size if any.” What basis do you have that your statement is true?]
    It is a refugee/asylum commonsense knowledge. Go ahead and research on how the refugee documentation and status screening is done. There are a lot of questions asked. Unless you are what you claim you are as an applicant for refugee or asylum status, you will find it very difficult. In some cases, an outsider’s knowledge would not be good enough to help unless you are it.

    You also said: [5. Finally, you said, “3) immigration officers of the destination countries have this information and I’m sure they must have been developing ways of screening who is who. If this number was very huge and alarming, they would have reported to their governments and the media would report it big time.” See the following European statistical report. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/s…]
    I saw it. It confirms what I said.

    You also said: [6. You have already admitted that there are non-Eritreans who have reached Europe by saying, “Lets save the ones that are already in Europe on the wait list for their asylum application to be approved for now….” and the one on number 5 above. But some people, including me, are asking how come Djibouti, Ethiopia, or Sudan are not listed there? Is it because asylum-seekers or people whose aim is “better life” don’t come from these countries? That is a common question for us, including you Hayat, to answer.]
    This is a list of 30 countries on the top of refugee exporting. Eritrea is ranked 4th and that is even in absolute numbers. In relative numbers, it could lead the whole world. Stop here. Don’t think about other countries. What do you feel about that, about seeing Eritrea in the same league with Syria and Afghanistan and even outranking Somalia in refugee production? That is what you should be sleepless about. Because even if Ethiopia and Djibouti were there in place of Syria and Afghanistan, still it should be a nightmare to see Eritrea ranked 4th in refugee export. Even if Ethiopia and Djibouti are not seen among the top 30 countries, it is still a nightmare for Eritrea to be 4th. That should be the sticking question. Just to address your curiosity, Sudan is listed 26th. There is nothing to say about it other than to recognize it for that status. Djbouti is a small population country and it has never been known for fleeing refugees. Ethiopia is not among the 30 top. I am surprised to see Ethiopia not included in the top 30 but I can’t make any point out of this other than tending to believe that part of it could be that their outgoing immigrants might have been undocumented (such as the ones in the Middle East) or/and many of their outgoing immigrants are heading to places outside Europe or/and they must have been doing good recently in changing things in their country positively.

    You also said: [7. I admit that some people are leaving Eritrea (legally and/or illegally) for a “better life”. A few of them are related to me. Some of them were business people, others were employed and others were in the National Service, which doesn’t pay much. I don’t blame them for desiring a “better life” as all/most of them said. They all express that the political independence of Eritrea must be defended and the Eritrean people must be protected, and the Government of Eritrea (GoER) desires to improve things but its hands are full, short of foreign currency exchanges, and very few GoER operatives are “corrupt”, and there is a need for national/regional laws so that GoER officials be restrained from making decisions at will. They think that the drafting of a new constitution is a very positive development.]
    So you believe all these will be solved with the drafting of a new constitution?! Yay, now you are scaring me. Let me speak to you from the heart. The new constitution talk is not to bring improvement and change. It is to slow or delay any change. The mere talk of it has taken a year already. The nomination and initiation of the process will take another year. The drafting and discussion will take about two years. The legislation and ratification will take another year. Did you count 5 yrs? Then it will be shelved. Does that sound familiar? déjà vu!
    Hayat

    • haileTG

      Dear Hayat,

      The notion of disputing the identity of refugees can only be an extreme reaction that resulted from the desperate situation itself. Much like a mother disowning her child under stress, albeit she is responsible for creating the situation herself. True there are individuals who would want or find it necessary to claim forged identity. There are Eritreans who claim Ethiopian identity for various reasons (one person I knew needed to do that because he didn’t have Eritrean documents to travel within Africa for a better place to get sponsorship to the west). In general, it is not advantageous to change one’s identity because of the obvious problems that they will not be able to use their previous qualifications, unite family members and basically have to restart from scratch. So, all in all not very many people wish to change their identity at such a level as their nationality at birth. Only few do so. Many people change their names and that is even problematic to a degree and try to avoid doing so if at all possible. For example, the hundreds of Lampedusa victims have been identified by Full Name, Age at the time of death (average around 22 years old), place of birth and location of origin in Eritrea. The document had been made available by the Italian authorities and I shared it here at the time too. Not one is disputed as non-Eritrean.

      So, it is best not to give such sickly claims much attention because it is really about offering disrespect to the dead by its originators, even if one can understand the desperate situation that is causing such an irrational behavior.

      Regards

  • tes

    Dear All,

    PFDJ is imposing a law that came from no where. A government without a constition has no legal status to provide any rule to the people. Constitution is above everything and from constitution, law is sourced. This being the natural process, PFDJ is first and foremost imposing law. And the law is not mentioning any political, military or any kind of law. Instead, as usual, it is dictating the people.

    http://eastafro.com/2015/05/09/video-eri-tv-interview-with-eritrean-justice-minister-fauzia-hashim/

    Is this what DIA promised them last year and tried to give some escapegoat before May 24 comes?

    An illegal government has no moral power to impose any law to the people and hence anything imposed on Eritreans by PFDJ is illegitimate and hence rejected.

    tes

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Ted,

    I would like to share with you the words of our own philosopher “Amanuel Sahle” in order to help you in the debate of Eritrean politics “how manners should be changed with change of circumstances”. Here are Amanuel’s message: “ኣከባቢ ንሰብ ይልውጦ እዩ፡ ሰብውን ብወገኑ ንኣከባቢኡ ይልውጦ። እዚ ናይ ሓድሕድ ምጽልላው ከኣ እዩ ምዕባለ ወይ ለውጢ ከምጽእ ዚኽእል። እቲ ኣከባቢ ጥራይ እንተ ጸልዩ፡ ምዕባለ ኣይርከብን። እቲ ኣተሓሳሳብ ጥራይ እንተ ጸልዩ ድማ (ማለት ነቲ ኣከባቢ ብምርሳዕ) እቲ ምዕባለ ነዊሕ ኣይከይድን። ክልተኡ ምስ ዚጸላሎ ግን ዘላቒ ምዕባለ ኪህሉ ይኽእል” (Assena.com). Amanuel Sahle is demanding change in our way of thinking and engagement. We can’t live talking about imaginary enemies. We have to move on and negate the “old frame of thought” with change of circumstance and reality in our region. Development will only come with “interdependent influence of the subject (men) and the circumstances.” Ab Libna Yew-eAllo – still talking about the heart influencing the mind.

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Emma,
      Amanuel Sahle is always great to read or listen to and he always speaks to the heart from the heart. To come to your last point here above, having a real enemy can be bad or good. If you are doing good, having a real enemy is the least you wish to see. But if you are doing bad or in stagnation, real enemy is a drive to change your situation, which in that sense can play an agent of stimulation for change. But talking about imaginary enemies is either out of straight paranoia or out of a deceptive projection to rule-by-scaring and manipulating. That often happens when you fail to rule by performing and delivering.
      Hayat

  • Hope

    Dear Olana,
    Forget about Geteb the Gereatest, and Ms BB.
    Just challenge the issues brought by both.
    We all know about the other side of the coin….and Geteb and Ms BB know about that as well.
    Did you hear them denying those facts we keep regurgitating?
    Both issues should be addressed evene if parallely.
    The injustices against Eritrea as a Nation and as a People, by those external focres and conspirators should be equally addressed if we have to convince our silent mjaoirty.
    And in my opinion,that was what Ms BB attempted to address,which is endorsed by many reasonable Eritreans like Mr Geteb among others….and even by the American Diplomats.
    But our main home work should have been to work even harder than the PFDJ/PIA so as to convince the world and our silent Majority to pressure the PFDJ/PIA to bring change-and /or to sit down for a Dialogue and National Reconciliation.–

  • AOsman

    Dear Awatista,

    It may be not related to the discussion going on, but it is worth the read;

    SINCLAIR OIL CORPORATION
    630 FIFTH AVENUE
    NEW YORK, N.Y.

    September 27, 1945

    A blood [deleted].

    The honorable James F. Byrnes
    Secretary of state
    Washington D.C.

    Dear Mr. Secretary:

    My company has only recently completed an agreement with the Imperial Ethiopian government for the development of petroleum in Ethiopia.

    I feel rather certain that you, personally, have been informed with request to this agreement. Unfortunately, the country of Ethiopia is an inland country, with no direct water outlet for export shipping. Should we be successful in discovering oil, we would, of necessity, be required to construct adequate pipe line facilities from Ethiopia to a suitable seaport, as well as an export shipping terminal.

    If we are to proceed with our development program in Ethiopia, it is of vital importance that Eritrea should be recognized as an integral part of Ethiopia, as we would have a suitable seaport outlet.

    Our entire development program will seriously be delayed and affected should Eritrea be under the domination of any other power except Ethiopia. I, therefore, urgently request that your good offices support the demand of Ethiopia with respect to Eritrea.

    For your personal information, I am attaching hereto photostatic copy of the supplemental agreement between my company and the Imperial Ethiopian Government, with respect to construction of pipe lines in outboard outlets, from which you will readily see the importance to this project of the acquisition of Eritrea by Ethiopia.

    Very truly yours
    Signed:
    President.

    http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60323

    Regards

    AOsman

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear AOsman,

      What is the importance of this 70 years old letter to the current Eritrean political reality? Or did you bring it for purposes of historical reflection as to how big powers with their club-like sucker-companies have undermined the aspiration of the Eritrean people? If so, that is an already “defeated trap”. Eritrea now is with a new status and new challenges that has nothing to do with the old-trap of international challenge. Can you help me to understand as to what the importance of the letter to the current reality will be?
      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Ted

        Dear Amanuel, could it mean, the tiger cannot change its stripes.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          HawTed,
          There is no any force with the intention to reverse the Eritrean sovereignty. Those who claim that there are foreign forces with that intention are simply a political trap for holding hostage to our political discourse for change. The proponent of this misguided and deliberate misinformation are PFDJ regime and their sycophant supporters. There is non whatsoever risk of reversal to our sovereignty. Period.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Ustaz Amanuel Hidrat:
            Irrespective of your deliberate naivity, the facts on the ground speak for themselves!
            All what you have to do is to refer to the 21st Centuary Reports if you believe that the 21st Centuary facts are obsolete!
            Forget the PFDJ Propaganda!
            In Mr Amanuel’s world, apparently the wiki leaks,the Investigative Journalism Reporters,the CIA and the U.S. Diplomats’ Reports are fake PFDJ Propaganda!

          • hope

            –Pls read as :”— if you believe that the 20th Centuary facts are obsolete!

          • Ted

            Hello Amanuel, the problem is you willingly ignored the fact that there are forces directly or indirectly working to undermine the state of Eritrea. The injustice against Eritrea you push for are not meant for the gov per se but the country at large. When you realize that you you will get the listening ear, the heart to heart talk with Eritreans.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Ted,
            I am sure you know the first important phenomena for any development is the internal. Eritrean problem is not external first. the problem we are confronting is within I believe. we can only talk about others when we are there ourselves. Do you think still PFDJ represents Eritrea? what kind of government can represent a nation? try to help me in answering those questions without becoming angry.

          • Ted

            Hi KS, What makes you thing i get angry by these Qs. Yes the PFDJ’s Government represents Eritrea and IA is the president. but i am guessing it is not you are asking, yes PFDJ doesn’t represent the interest of Eritrea and IA Gov is oppressive.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Ted,
            you know those days I was not around, seldom I was reading, you can imagine how much I was ignoring yours if I can’t read frequently others comments. Well some new changes must have happened on those past few days to make you so gentle. that is nice.

            Now, what makes a government really a representative?What makes a president true president ?

          • Ted

            Dear KS, “how much I was ignoring yours if I can’t read frequently others comments” coming from you i take it as complement.
            For your Qs, you know the answers, what we have in Eritrea is flawed GOV which need to be reformed..

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,
            congratulation! you have gone steps ahead in your way of communicating– remembering the past debates we had . regarding the Qs, you didn’t answer them. if you could we both could have won and narrowed the difference. my last question, what type of government can be reformed? if reform was possible in Eritrea don’t you think Deru’E was more stronger than me and you on that group?
            isn’t possible to remove than to reform? is the group called PFDJ stronger than the mass?

          • Ted

            DEAR KS, Deru’E didn’t tell me what he was doing, for all i don’t know he may had been asking to be a president. How do i know, if you and me had known or consulted, we would have gotten his back. Reform is the grass root movement, what it is not is intellectuals or selected individuals making deals on our behalf. Don’t underestimate the power of the people, we can twist PFDJ’s arms to accommodate our needs.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            There are two possibilities:

            1. Call for reform so that x-PFDJ and EPLF members will rally.
            2. Call for dismantlement so that every genuine Eritrean will rally.

            tes

          • Ted

            DEAR tes, there is a third option where PFDJ and opposition don’t dictate the interest of the people.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            I wish we could discuss more. What we do here now is just act of lazy people. Keep in your mind though I will oppose every move you try to make for an advocacy to reform.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            you got it. and the first option will take us to worst destination. in here we will replace PIA with another criminal. the only choice we have I believe is destroy the idea from the root not to see it forever. if we go for the fist option we will still be working for 2nd option so why not go for the 2nd option “ካባኻ ዘይሓልፍ ጋሻስ ኣጥቢቅካ ስዓሞ ” በሉ ኣቦታት ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,

            check what you said about Deru’E. tomorrow the young generation will say about you, the same. Karmic law.

            He didn’t put in to consideration our request, he want to reform not to accept the mistakes of his front, otherwise he could have broken the nose of those remaining coward guys. but, he was afraid of the risk, the risk to ask pardon of EPLF’s history. and here he face worst risk of being arrested for years with out any trail.

            do you say”Don’t underestimate the power of the people,” in fact I over estimate. never thought the young will run out of our nation and sank on oceans. never thought the father, brother and sister and mother will just keep silent. I never thought people like you still will think of reform, Never.

            anyhow go ahead man. those who think reform will solve our problem do it practically. and those who want change, but change of the entire idea of PFDJ allow us to do it. don’t paint us black and don’t make us busy talking. in fact we can both cooperate and work if we know how.

          • Wedi Chided

            ዝኸበርኩም ፍትዋት ኣሕዋተይ፡ ሰብ ኩሉግዜ ንኽኣምን ጭብጢታት እዩ ዝሓትት፡፡ ክልተ ሰባት ድማ ንሓደ ኣርእስቲ ክዛተዩ ኣንከለዉ ጭብጢታት እንዳቐመጡ እንተተዛትዮም ኣዮም ኣብ ቅኑዕ መረዳእታን ውጽኢትን ዝበጽሑ። ካብ ስምዒት ወይ ካብ ፕሮፖጋንዳታት ናይ ካልኦት ተበጊሶም ምስ ዝዛተዩ ግን ናብ ዘይምርድዳእን ምዝልላፍን ይእትዉ፡፡ እቲ ዝገርመካ ኣብ ሓደ ብልክዕ ዝተኻየደ ሃገራዊ ክትዕ ተሰዓሪ የለን፡ እኳድኣስ ክልቲኦም ኢዮም ሰዓርቲ፡ ንምንታይ እታ ንኽልቲኦም ተገድሶም ሃገር ንሳቶም ኣብ ክዉንነታዊ ሓቂ ተሞርኲሶም ዘካየድዎ ነጥቢ ነታ ሃገር ንቕድሚት ስለ ዝደፍኣ፡፡ ስለዚ ነዛ ክብርቲን ውቅብቲን ፍትውቲን ሃገርና ንቕድሚት ከነሶጉማ ኣንተዀንና፡ ኣብ ጭቡጥ ነግር ንዛተ ንላጸብ። እዚ ወድሓንኩም።

      • AOsman

        Dear Amanuel,

        From my one liner introduction, it is not my intention to divert the discussion of heart and mind by HTG and I just wanted awatista to take note of the revelation from that historical information.

        The issue is not about Eritrea being a nation or not, but you cannot discount the game of interest played by other nations and we should always be alert to it while we work for the interest of Eritrea. The issue of sea outlet will not die down, it will always be there. I see it as an opportunity for future co-operation if we manage it properly, but you have to admit that part of the problem we face today can be traced to it.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam AOsman,
          .
          I am with you on this wise perception. “I see it as an opportunity for future co-operation if we manage it properly…”
          To be blunt about it, it is my opinion, that is probably how Meles Zenawi looked at the big picture too.
          .
          K.H

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear AOsman,

          I humbly disagree with the notion that the old geopolitical interest has to do with the nature of the current international influence and with the new rearrangement global-geopolitics. As in every aspect of socio-political “transformation” there are always “structural transformation” in world politics as well as in the rules of engagement. Along with that, don’t forget with the new structural transformations the old geopolitical variables do change accordingly. Hence with the advent of global economics, the politics that governs the rules of engagement has also dramatically changed the game of politics. The new phenomenon will not be governed by the old rule of engagement. I don’t think we disagree on this conceptual intake and the mechanics of politics that goes with it. Thomas Jefferson words always remind us about the dynamics of change and the manners that goes along with it, by saying “as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances”. And here now we are talking about change of geopolitical engagement in our region in particular and in the world in general.

          Let me give you an example on the ground brother. The perception of Ethiopian rulers and Ethiopian people at large was, that Ethiopia and Ethiopians can’t survive without Eritrea and its ports. That perception is gone for good with the new rule of geopolitical engagement and the commendable change of manners in the leadership of Ethiopian government. Now Ethiopia and Ethiopians understood that they have many alternatives other than the Eritrean ports. Though it cost them to build new infra-structures (railways) from Dijbouti to the northern section of Ethiopia and new port at Tajura in Dijbouti, specifically for the transit of Ethiopian goods (import and export), it is worthwhile for them than the misguided perceptions and fratricidal wars and rumors of wars that paralyzed Ethiopia for generations. Besides a new railway construction is undergoing from Dijbouti to Addis. The issue of geopolitics to entangle Eritrea for the last 5 decades and the desire to have access to the sea becomes irrelevant with the new dynamics. If we Eritreans opted to have good cooperation with Ethiopia in economy and commerce, the Eritrean ports will be only an additional access not that of “life and death” mired by the old perception. The western countries primary interest is “stability” and unrestricted flow of commerce through the gates of the region. The rest of their interest is dictated by the world trade regulations. Therefore, I firmly believe that the transformational geopolitical structures are there, if we change our manners on how to engage in the region and be capable to elevate our diplomatic acumen to match with the ongoing changes.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Dear Amanuel, . Ethiopia fought bloody battle to keep Eritrea in their hand, that did’t materialize, TPLF waged the war under disguise of Bademe border, that didn’t materialize, The only option left was to see Eritrea’s Economy collapse by closing the Port hoping Eritrea surrenders. That has not happened. TPLF miscalculated the resilience of Eritrean people. What you are talking about is what a TPLF mouth piece ‘she” would says. You got it twisted.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ted,

            Whatever reality changed them, they have created alternative to their survival and they are thriving. My point is, there are new transformational Geopolitical-structures, let us change our manner of engagement. If you don’t believe in change of our manner of engagement then make your point why we don’t need change. Then we register our difference. Otherwise If I tell you you are the mouthpiece of PFDJ and you tell me I am the mouthpiece of TPLF, it doesn’t mean we are making an argument. It is childish in nature and calls only for disengagement. Check your words before they slip from your mouth. If you do it sign of maturity and wisdom. Think about it carefully.

            regrads,

          • AOsman

            Dear Amanuel,

            Not that I disagree with you about the rearrangement of global geopolitics and that Ethiopia is not as desperate on Eritrea’s sea ports as it once was or perceived to be, that is the good news.

            ” The western countries primary interest is “stability” and unrestricted flow of commerce through the gates of the region. ”

            What about when the unrestricted flow of commerce seems to favor one power over a superpower, do you believe “stability” will be the primary interest. When it comes to securing oil, the game played by US has not changed much, many examples to pick there. Anyway, my wish is that Ethiopia keeps going strong and more independent and our priority in Eritrea is ridding off the insane dictator that is no good for our survival and the stability of our region.

            Regards
            AOsman

  • ‘Gheteb

    Hayat Adem V. Hayat Adem

    Abbrevations:
    Hayat Adem (HA)
    Bronwyn Bruton (BB)
    ‘Gheteb (G)

    This is a case of HA Vs. HA where an attempt will be made to put what HA said at one time in a striking relief and contrast to what HA is mightily attempting to do now, which is nothing more than a futile effort of creating a red herring and dodging an issue at hand through sheer obfuscation. The jury maybe still out in the case of Hayat Adem V Hayat Adem for some, but for any other a sentient Forumer, the vain attempt by HA to pull wools over our eyes is laid bare and exposed to the hilt.

    HA: …. connecting it the personal grudge she (BB) held against the UN representative.

    ‘G: How did you know for a fact that BB has held a personal grudge against the UN representative?

    HA: I observed.

    The next logical question is that deals with the time-space continuum, where and when and milieu under which HA’s observation was conducted. One’s individual observation is in the final analysis a subjective observation which could be influenced by misperceptions and other inherent biases of the observer. HA taciturnly seemed to have pleaded the Fifth here. I mean does HA take us for chopped livers to expect us to buy her renditions without even bothering of proffering a dab of probative evidence.

    HA: Mmwahaha! Gheteb DO NOT decontextualize exchanges by starting from the middle and sometimes by opting to go slushing and burning.

    ‘G: Phew! Gee Whiz! Dear Me! Didn’t I go out of my way to provide EXHIBIT A, B & C while you have offered not only a “de-contextualized” renditions that amounted to nothing more than a hot air of evasions and some brassy claims.

    HA: Her (BB) becoming bitter about it (UN-Somalia Mission appointment) is an OBSERVED FACT.

    ‘G: You won’t say, HA. It is not only observed or a fact, but an observed fact. Phooey! What are we going to hear next?

    HA: Well, after you accused me of throwing laughable speculation against Bruton, I disaggregated my assertion of her as “fact”, “observed fact” and “opinion” for better understandability.

    ‘G: Oh, my stars and garters! I didn’t know that your facts, observed facts and opinions were so aggregated that you have to end up “disaggregating” your assertions. What? I never knew that you had data or samples that needed disaggregating. ( here I am resisting an uncontrollable belly laugh ).

    ‘G: “An observed fact”? Hmmm…mmm. Was Ms. Bruton a subject of some scientific experiment or was she observed by some objective observers? Where was the observation conducted? When was the observation conducted? What was the context, i.e, the milieu or ambiance of where the observation was conducted? Who were the observers? And, finally, what in God’s Green Earth is this oxymoronic term “observed fact” means?

    HA: DON’T BRING SCIENTIF STANDARD TO AWATE FORUM OR ELSE DON’T ACCUSE ME FOR REMINDING YOU ON THE NATURE OF THE FORUM. It has to be one or two. You see how you are playing it weird!

    ‘G: I have neither coerced or forced you to use terms such as “facts” and “observed facts” in your feckless attempt of appending gravitas to your utterly vapid and watery renditions and assertions. Yes, I didn’t, but once you are caught literally with your hands in the cookie jar and red-handed, you have no other option but to deploy the blame game that I have talked about at length many moons ago about the ploy of guilt tripping.

    G’: Again, where was the venue where the observation conducted. When was the observation made? Who made the observations? This are very simple question to someone like you who have cut the image of the grand inquisitor in this forum.

    HA: Umm…. mmm… Well, I plead The Fifth! I plead The Fifth! I plead The Fifth!

    ‘G: You also claim to have met Ms. Bruton in person some years back on non-related occasion. Do you mind telling us where and when and what the occasion was? Also, could you tell us how long your meeting with BB was, I mean, the duration of your meeting with BB?

    HA: I said that to impress you (Laughing) or to project and signify my own importance (Smiling). What were you thinking Gheteb? It was meant for your benefit to understand me why I thought I was justified to use the phrase “observed fact” and because I was predicting that you would be asking “how did you know that?

    ‘G: How could it be that you claim to have met BB some years back on non-related occasion and use your meeting as a supporting information to your claim that “BB was bitter about the appointment of the UN-Somalia Mission? Why would BB evince her bitterness to you, HA? How did you detect her bitterness or what manifestation have you discerned to make you reach the conclusion that it was that rejection of appointment for the UN-Somalia Mission that was the main reason or culprit? Did she appear angry or hostile to you? Why? What have you done or what role could you have played to elicit such bitterness from her? I mean, I can raise scads of questions here, but I will stop and hope you will reply forthrightly and honestly.

    HA: I have provided my testimony as a first person and I am not going to be a witness as a third person.

    ‘G: Well, give it a shot and no one is asking you to go between first person and third person here as you can simply use your pen name HA.

    HA: No, I am done and I won’t discuss this Bruton issue anymore. THAT IS… FORGET IT.

    ‘G: Okay, you seem to know Chairman Seyum Tesfaye of Atlanta because you said that he wrote beautifully about Lady Bruton (BB) in his article “useful idiots”.

    HA: Yeah, I read his articles. He writes beautifully, unlike you ‘Gheteb who writes volumes to say the same thing over and over. Mizan told you how you never failed to impress him.I wish I could say the same. If I were you, I wouldn’t even fall for the seemingly complement and fail to see the deeper essence of Mizan’s comment. He politely rejected you.

    ‘G: I asked you about Chairman Seyum of Atlanta and here you have peeled on a tangent and started kibitzing by officiously deciphering the intent of Mizan’s comment, as if you subconsciously believe that ‘Gheteb is unable to do so. Truth be told, Mizan pens facile proses and his writings are very lucid and it is my considered opinion that you, HA, can learn a thing or two from Mizan’s writing ability. Though I don’t see eye to eye on several issues with Mizan, I admire his writing ability and the way he imparts and conveys messages and concepts in all his writings. I have never encountered any difficulties either in understanding and divining the messages of his comments or posts. So, Please save your breath for some other issues.

    HA: Okay, so what is that you want to tell me?

    ‘G: I was wondering if you have ever met the late Congressman Donald Payne?

    HA: I don’t think so.

    ‘G: Do you have anything else to say or add here.

    HA: I have nothing else to say.

    Well, HA made a brassy and brazen assertion about Ms. Bruton. So far, I have failed to find even a germ of truth in all her accounts and rendition about BB as HA didn’t provide even a scrap of evidence. Instead of telling us flat-out the truth, HA opted to quibble, petty-fog and split-hairs and kept yarning something akin to a fish story.

    Averring certain claims, ex cathedra, and from on high, HA expects us to buy the whole enchilada about BB even without showing even a smidgen of respect for the intelligence of the participants of this Forum.

    I mean, HA provided nary an answer to the questions posed based on the claims HA made and when the story and assertion made by HA were literally “caught out” and detected that further elaboration was deemed necessary, HA opted to go the route of not giving any further information and supporting evidence except what amounts to something like an ipse dixit.

    I admit this has been literally like an act of herding cats, but the fact remains that HA has made assertions about BB that are UNPROVEN, COUNTERFACTUAL, MENDACIOUS and FLAGITOUS.

    • Mizaan1

      Gheteb, as you said we don’t see eye to eye quite frequently but I am humbled by your praise words because coming from someone who writes so incredibly about complicated things as you do, it is very flattering.

      Here is another analogy for the people who got mad at me for praising you and wishing you were on the other side given your unparalleled gifts. We all know Karl Rove. He is not very popular at all in the liberal circles and I am not saying Gheteb is Karl Rove. But if this were the year 2000 and if I were Al Gore, I would not underestimate Karl Rove for a second. That is my point here. If we had a contest of persuading undecided Eritreans, I think Gheteb would be a very formidable opponent for anyone whose goal is to weed out PFDJ. This is as modestly as I can put it.

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb,
      The famous British satirist Butler once said the best liar is he who makes the smallest amount of lying go the longest way. I know you said PFDJ represents Eritreans’ wishes and interests and the opposition movements never. Everything you say and write here is taken in the sense of those views. Any PFDJ would be expected to support Bruton. Actually PFDJ extended the invitation for the useful idiot and hosted her So, in that sense, any PFDJ would jump to defame anyone else who criticized the darling useful idiot. This would never surprise me. While I understand you have to say things to support her, you can do it without lying. All your last paragraphs are lies, and pack of lies, and it sucks when adults lie at will.
      Hayat.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    …And here is Europe finally throwing the towel in and wishing IA to die, gosh don’t they know he is a cat with 9 lives (or so he believes:)

    http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programitem/pgwdVY89b6?play=true

    ….however wouldn’t supporting an organized movement to topple his regime be more sensible than hoping for human mortality and then see what happens?

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG,
      Why are you doing this? Spoiling their party for the all out diplomatic breakthrough? At any rate, the weight of the news you provided is cotton weight compared to the lead weight of her excellency Ms. Brutness.

      • tes

        Dear SGJ,

        Light weight floats, heavy sinks. Cotton is carried by everyone, lead toxicates everyone. Cotton is a natural, lead is refined.

        tes

        • Abi

          Hi Tes
          What is your understanding of ” sink” in this context? I read sink as inculcate. If I were it worries me. I think that is what SGJ is talking about.
          Correct me if I am off.

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Read the whole message as they are integrated. And regarding the word, “sink”, just take its physical meaning. I like physics and engineering terminologies.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            If we take the physical definition of “sink” it means going deep. If Mrs Brutness managed to go deep , OMG !! Anyway, it is your call.
            ” kebalebetu yaweqe buda new.”

          • tes

            Dear Abi;

            Since I like your humour and I want you to be around, I will try to be very fair for you. And I will do this through enlightening teachings. I hope you didn’t forget lesson 1.

            Now lesson 2 follows:

            Sink

            1. Sink (fall): A stone will sink in water

            2. Sink (ship, boat): The ship sank after hitting an iceberg

            3. Sink (prices, fall): The price of gas sank to a new low

            4. Sink (ship, boat, cause to sink): The Torpedo sank the ship.

            5. Sink (kitchen, bathroom): Just put the dirty dishes in the sink and I will clean them later.

            6. Sink (corrupt place): Stay out of that bar. It’s dirty, nasty sink.

            7. Sink (heat sink): The computer needs another sink because it gets too hot.

            8. Sink (sink-hole): The underground river caused a number of sinks in the land around there.

            9. Sink (heart: feel sad, disappointed): Her heart sank when she found out that he didn’t like her.

            10. Sink (dying person): He sank away slowly and finally died that night.

            Sink (lose: money): He sank ten thousand dollars, gambling last weekend.

            Source: http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/sink

            Of course I will take physical terms (1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8) here and still it does with negative connotation.

            tes

          • Abi

            Tes
            That is a lot of sinking. Now that reality is sinking, I know better. Or should I say reality is diving ?
            Anyways, “yes, yes bilenal negeru gebtonal. ”

          • tes

            Plus,

            Sinking is as a result of some damage and there is no way to saved. It stays in the abyss.

            The one that you mentioning is “diving”.

    • selam

      Dear Haile TG
      They already knew we are very disintegrate opposition , just like what happened to the syrian opposition. West is learning the hard way by the events in Libya and other countries. In Eritrea there is no an organization or institution that can step up to the task after the mad man. What is bad is also even in the west there are no vibrant opposition who can be trusted on behave of the eritrean people. They(west) can not just give any amount of help to people who are locked in 37 building , they know us more than we know them. So for Europe it is a calculated risk far from perfect. West is afraid after the failure in Libya.

      • haileTG

        Dear Selam,

        There is indeed things we can read from it about the different [Eritrean] players in the field. In fact, we can even ask what it says about us the Eritrean people in general. When you are worthy, people talk about you but when you are pitied people talk for you. When Eritreans talked to each other, they did something the journalist called “epic” and when Eritreans are talking against each other than working to deal with their problem, the journalist decided to talk for us and proposed we be given a corps in the body of IA!! How low does the world think about US!!! Yes, how low must they considered us to be a people worthy of such crass to be wished of divine intervention? This goes to the heart of what we discussed about hearts/minds, that unless we learn to respect and care for one another, there is no way to get others to respect you. And, this is as much about you and me as well as any other Eritrean. It is us who were really insulted not only a small group of us.

        Regards

        • dawit

          Dear Haile,
          For many Eritreans (the majority) their spokesperson is PFDJ headed by PIA. These are the ‘Hade Hizbi, Hade Lbi” crowed. Can you update us on Arbi Harenet”?. The Fridays Freedom Movement. I hope they are still doing their pasjjeria at Godana Harenet freely.

          • haileTG

            Dear dawit,

            Surely, you can not be in a position to make that kind of determination. Can you?

            Regards

  • Olana

    Dear All

    There is something you people miss when it comes to the asylum seekers of Ethiopians. Yes it is true that there are Ethiopians and other African nationals who seek asylum in the west. Let’s talk specifically about Ethiopians. Currently in Ethiopia all those small business we are seeing are operated with a capital of between 50 and 100 thousand birr. And most of them are successful and growing as the market to sell everything is huge. I know some Eritreans who run such small business in Ethiopia and who are not interested to go to the west. On the other side I know Ethiopians who just paid more than Birr150 thousand to go to the USA through a risky journey in Mexico. I know a few who sell their houses to pay and go through any way that takes them to the USA. These are people who think they would be better off economically if they go to the west, and most of them reported to be frustrated up on arriving in the west because they were leading a decent life while they were in Ethiopia. For example some of the victims of ISIS in Libya paid up to 200 thousand birr to the traffickers.

    There are the majority who want to leave the country for lack of decent Jobs. I do not know how they measure unemployment in countries. Is it not finding a job in your profession or is it not finding a job at all? For those with degrees the economy is not yet ready to absorb all of them who graduate from more than 30 Universities. On the other hand in Ethiopia there is a shortage of yeken serategna (MiNeWaLe as it is called in Eritrea) in the construction activities and do you have any idea how much they earn a day? Minimum of Birr 100. That is around US$4 which is above average of the global minimum daily income. Most of these people are content with their life because you see them working hard to grow to a better job and life.

    There are others who can work but are not satisfied with their life and want to leave to other countries but unable because what the traffickers ask is beyond their means. That means they are asked to pay above 50 thousand birr which they could not afford. But if they can have 50 thousand birr they opt to start small business as the market to sell everything is available.

    There is another group who just leave the country because they are desperate at home. These are very few. Most of them manage to cross to Sudan without much difficulty. They think they would work hard in Sudan and save some money to pay to the traffickers to take them to Libya and in Libya they do the same to go to Europe. Most of them are not successful as they find life worse in Sudan and remain there for years. My job takes me to Sudan at least once in a year and most of the young I find in the hotels, shops and restaurants are Eritreans who come to the country ecently. There are Ethiopian but you find most of them working indecent jobs unlike the Eritreans who have someone in US or Europe to subsidies their life in Sudan and finally pay for them to cross to Libya and then to Europe. Every year I go to Sudan the same Ethiopians are still there while I find most Eritreans left the country and replaced with new comers.

    Now you can see what kind of people are leaving Ethiopia and their numbers when you analyze the above facts.

    The leaving of Ethiopians has nothing to do with politics. It is economical and looking for better life. It is not oppression. It could be discrimination in employment of graduates which I believe could not be a reason for migration.

    • selam

      Dear olana

      Thanks for the truth in which most forget but i think you are looking to one side of the equation . You forget the oromo people who are leaving ethiopia by droves and i hope you will come up with their suffering.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    The people of Seraye and Hamasen represent the people and state of Eritrea and Ethiopia
    as its nucleus fo centuries. The fact that different types of politics some alien others homegrown
    appear on the landscape doesn’t and shouldn’t mean they will change the fundamental facts and
    bases of state and government. Therefore, these people on behalf of all the Eritrean and rest of
    Ethiopian peoples do not recognize the pfdj and the woyane/eprdf current governments and declare
    them illegitimate forces ( shiftas) that came to power through the barrel of the gun.
    The legitimate representatives of the people and the state and of both the state and federal governments
    are only the legitimate land owners and traditional inheritors of the state and the legacies of their traditions
    to power and administration. PFDJ and TPLF are only the military wings & not the legitimate political leaders
    of the people. The political leadership of the PFDJ and the TPLF belongs only to the Armed/Military sector of
    the state and is not the politcal leadesrship of the state and the people but only of the armed militia forces.
    And so state power should be transfered to those representatives of the people of Seraye & Hamasen and all
    of the rest Eritrean Kifle Hagers.
    The only leaders of the Eritrean people are those legitimately elected people of the ANDINET party of the 1940’s
    and its opposition party Independence block party.
    And let these two parties do their competetion on a democratic floor again independently witout the interference
    of anyone any party like Ethiopia, US or other……………………………………..!

  • selam

    Dear forumers
    There are so many good points about differences and also challenges. When we see in our case the difference in our the so called opposition is just minor still very damaging to our cause. What we have are not oppositions, they are a wastfull of every thing we dearly need. Our uniqueness , our identity , our hope for freedom is just painted with these crooks who are holding the name opposition. 15 years and not evin an inch to narrow their differences is very very bad and some times emotional to some of us. What is that they could not able to form a vibrant opposition and challenge PFDJ ? Is it their ego and interest bigger than the cause they sing ? In 15 years their number is not less than 30 and their talking points is more or less playing one card and that is the blame game. Blaming is quite easy and need no work and no sacrifice . We need a commitment as before and to get these people we need to get ride off such beggars. We are tired of their idiot talking points and blame game .

    • T..T.

      Hi selam,

      You always emphasize “the so-called opposition” and that, don’t you think, is distancing you from the intersectionality of the victims of Isayas. And, by so doing, you are only promoting fragmentation of the victims. Is that unintentional or intentional?

      Although the degree of Isayas’s oppression differs depending on who is more loyal, it is a matter of time before the loyal person is disgraced forcing her/him to seek for a way out.

      BTW, the embassies of Isayas, like other embassies, have immunity. The staff of Isayas’s embassy should not be misled by the immunity the embassy has and feel like they are in Asmara to abuse innocent Eritreans.

      • T..T.

        Please read intersectionability in place of intersectionality

      • selam

        Dear T.T
        imagine 15 years just completely to run your company with out vision and auditing its capital. These people just are not to the task . 37 groups who are there to blame and only blame while we suffer. Their ego is greater than our suffering .Their interest is greater than compromising little here and there. What do you think ? Do i need to watch them and drag us to their level? What choice do we have ?

        As for the embassy workers or any , you know they are citzens of the host country and there is no way that coming panel of judges will get any power over them. Now thank me for replying to you while you kill the oromos.

        • Abi

          Hi Selam
          What are the oromos doing here? Sometimes you confuse me. Can you explain?

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            They are looking over T.T comments for his courage to comment on things he shouldn’t. What are you doing here ?

          • Abi

            Selamina
            I stopped by to deliver coffee. You don’t have to come to the back room. How do you like yours? Cream and sugar? Or black? Cookies?
            BTW , I didn’t see T.T’s comments about the oromos. It is not that important. Some people here voices.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I am not coffee drinker. But i can eat fish if you have at your disposal.

          • Abi

            Selamina
            Anything for you .
            Nile purch? Or name any lake in ethiopia ( chamo, abiata, Tana, langano, awasa,…..) The best fish delivered to you with fishy love.
            How do you like it? Asa gored gored? Well done?
            Do you like salt water fish or fresh water fish.
            Name any river. I will send you the freshest fish from the freshest water in the world.
            Put your orders.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I wouldn’t want to eat cat fish. You probably don’t have fish grown in salinty above 34 and i am sure you would not get fish on running river. But if you insist i would love to ask you not to look over. Just get refreshed with your coffee. I heard coffee makes you sleepless. Please before you go just take your menu and here is the tip. Grow cat fish on your swimming pool.

  • selam

    Dear olana
    Gheteb is one of the best in this site. No one dare to admit but he is quite smart and well equipped with things that make
    Some people piss on their punts. I may not agree on most things he say but i always read his comment . He is full of amusing things, may be you are feeling inferior to his skill .The problem with Geteb is , he wanted every thing to be seriously taken with out some entertainment words. Unless no one is better than him .

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear all,
    The number of people fleeing Eritrea has tripled. Frida Ghitis says that signals quiet catastrophe in
    Eritrea . “When massive numbers of people decide to take enormous risks to escape the country of their birth, leaving their possessions and their loved ones behind, it is a sign of crisis—and often a portent of worse things to come.” http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/15659/heightened-refugee-flow-signals-quiet-catastrophe-in-eritrea#
    PFDJ minders want to tell us these may be non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans for easy asylum shopping.
    1) Lets save the ones that are already in Europe on the wait list for their asylum application to be approved for now and lets talk about the ones that are in refugee camps in Ethiopia; the ones that are stranded in Libya and dying in the Mediterranean sea and the ones that were wandering and being tortured in Sinai before Israel blocked that route. There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean just to vegetate in Shimelba and in the MedSea unless one is truly Eritrean.
    2) The only people who could be tempted to report as Eritreans for easy asylum are the ones who could Eritrean languages and explain Eritrea to some extent. These can only be very minimal in size if any. These kind of people are to be found in the peripheries of Sudan and Ethiopia bordering Eritrea. Consider Ethiopians and Sudanese can also have acceptable grounds to claim asylum keeping their true nationality and they have been doing it and getting it for many years. But lets guess how big could the number be given that they have unpaid and indefinite Nation Service programs, given that all of them can get out of their country without exit visa; given that, even in almost equally poor situation they are, too, they have options to try many ways to improve their situation personally.
    3) immigration officers of the destination countries have this information and I’m sure they must have been developing ways of screening who is who. If this number was very huge and alarming, they would have reported to their governments and the media would report it big time.
    Hayat

    • selam

      Dear Hayat
      Yes there are many many Eritreans and this number what ever it is can be true. But why would an ethiopian ask asylum in other country ? Ethiopians can not be accepted unless they have reason . What is their reason ? You have completely eluded the notion that many ethiopians are asking asylum in other countries be it , yemen , somalia and all European countries . They have a very good reason to ask asylum in other countries with out being Eritreans. But where is the statics for ethiopians who are asking asylum in Europe ? Where are they ? You see the difference.

      Now do we need to say all are from ther countries and no eritrean is around , such claim is bogus and inhuman at best.They are Eritreans and they should not be taken as Ethiopians.Any one who claim these people are not Eritreans is Evil and idiot at home. On the same explanation there must be a great deal to say ethiopians are also migrating.

      To all justice seekers , the truth must be taken seriously with out making politics the only reason to paint what ever colour you like. Migration will never ever stop and it will continue even the mad man is removed.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selam,
        Perhaps, I can say something on how an Ethiopian can be accepted in the US because I’m distantly familiar with their immigration law. US can extend asylum to an Ethiopian on grounds of social discrimination, minority right infringement, political persecution, torture, cultural segregation etc.

        • selam

          Dear hayat
          Yes you are right , there are thousands of Ethiopians who are in america, European countries who ask2d asylum. Their reason is the same as Eritreans when it comes to personal needs. What i and so many could not figure out is where is their number. You are saying political persecution , torture. I do know EPRDF is also killing people , evicting people from their land in which they used to farm thousands of generations.But that is not the case when it comes to political bickering.

          I am just wondering about their number ? They are not reported in the IOM report. Some thing is missing.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Selam,
            I’m not sure I’m following you. I wouldn’t expect any data about refugee and asylum seeking Ethiopians could be missing or obscured for any reason. But can you tell us how and why thought that is so?

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            if it is not reported , what do you expect. How on earth a country with 90 million people in africa with persistent problems and no migration reported ? I am not asking you to consider on your comment , i am saying this just to put such analogy in to your comment. Unless i know you do not want even to look on such issues. Do not missunderstand me i still appreciate and wonder how you bring the word torture , political problems and minorty rights to weyane government.

    • tes

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      Paradox of PFDJ investment.

      It is a really not fair when one profits from what he didn’t invest. And this is what PFDJ is not happy at.

      The point we can take from PFDJ argument is simple. They are ok with the exodus but they wanted only Eritreans to be in that status. PFDJ invested a lot for human crisis but EPRDF has not (as per their intention, emphasis mine) and Ethiopians are profiting from the investment done by PFDJ.

      It is an obvious reason no one else should benefit from what is not invested. Therefore, PFDJ is mad on this. The good thing is, he accepts the current status of Eritrean humanitarian crisis and is wishing only Eritreans to be benefitted.

      tes

      • Hayat Adem

        Good point, Tes.
        The other point is many PFDJ supporters say so many foolish things and some of them are what they heard from PFDJ top leaders and cadres. For example, when IA was in New York and tell his crowd that Eritreans are not 3 million that because of their super quality every Eritrean must be multiplied by 10, the crowed got intoxicated and up-roared in unison. When Eritreans flee in exodus and vegetate in refugee camps, die in the sea and perish in the deserts, they forget multiplying them in 10. When people go to prison in thousands, they forget multiplying that by 10 as well.
        Hayat

    • YAY

      Dear Hayat A. This is an issue both a “Hayat” and a “Nitric” could jointly do research on

      Propagandist, yes; truth-seeker, doubtful. Either you are ignorant/playing ignorant about the issue of the nationals of other countries claiming to be Eritreans for attaining an instant asylum status. That is what your comment reflects. But it doesn’t have to be that way. We should all establish the facts first when we discuss issues; and then we could express our similarities/differences on what ought to be done.

      Check these reports: https://natna.wordpress.com/toronto-sun-the-politics-of-murder/

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4012755,00.html

      http://zena24.com/item/659_in-libya-we-were-all-eritreans-recounts-ethiopian-survivor-and-journalist-zehabesha

      There is no need for PFDJ supporters to lie that Ethiopians are claiming as Eritreans. Even if the difference is about the numbers of truly Eritrean asylum seekers, there is no doubt that Eritreans are leaving Eritrea for a “better life” abroad. Indefinite national Service, lack of employment opportunities, and military discipline are the most often mentioned reasons for them leaving home. The situation is the result of a combination of different policies/actions of different governments, including Eritrea’s. That is the root cause.

      Ethiopian asylum seekers do not need to know languages spoken in Eritrea, unless you consider Amharic as an Eritrean language. One person was telling me that an Ethiopian refugee who presented himself as one from Maiy JaHjaH told him that he was from Asmara around Maiy JaHjaH, and he used to enjoy swimming in Maiy JaHjaH. The Eritrean responded: immo risikhas winjir ikha!! ab maiy jahjah etihimbiss. maas daa nab seb teqeyirka?

      I urge you to seek the truth and own it.

      • selam

        Dear Yay
        Most of them are afraid to face the truth. They are afraid because some of the ignorant people will call them PFDJISTA . They are afraid from losing on the blame game competition. They are afraid from their wenyane helpers. Unless all of them know who was beheaded in libya in great numbers. Can you imagine ethiopians to be the majority of Christians in libya ? Waww i must be some one from TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO not to know the truth. Most of them think Eritreans are blined who fall to their lies that cost them dearly and if they continue to do so , well more 15 on the way , sad but true.

        • selam

          Dear yay
          please put years after 15

      • Hayat Adem

        Yay Ayay,
        What is it that I said was untrue? What is it that is making you claim you know the truth and I don’t?

        • YAY

          Dear Hayat A: If you are serious, let us review things

          1. You say “The number of people fleeing Eritrea has tripled.” without substantiation. That does not establish the fact if Eritreans fleeing Eritrea is true or not. Then, you, based on an unproven assertion, accept Frida Ghitis’s prediction of “worse things to come.” without hesitation.

          2.Then, you seemingly believing Frida Ghitis’s reasoning (whether it actually reflects realities in Eritrea or not), you said, “PFDJ minders want to tell us these may be non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans for easy asylum shopping.” I don’t know what “PFDJ minders” means to you, but some GOER officials and Eritreans have been telling (not “want to tell”) us that there are (not “may be”) non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans as a short-cut means for immediately attaining asylum in certain European and North American countries. The Eritrean Embassy in Canada, to its surprise, discovered one by accident. The Eritrean Embassy in Israel had been saying so for years now.

          3. Continuing, you said, ” There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean just to vegetate in Shimelba and in the MedSea unless one is truly Eritrean. ” You are conflating two things here, and lets separate them: (a) “There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean just to vegetate in Shielba and in the MedSea….”; and (b) ” There is no reason to claim to be Eritrean …unless one is truly Eritrean.” I would have little problem (that only those who are in Shimelba can say why they are there, and I don’t believe it is to vegetate) to agree with (a). But I disagree with the the (b) statement. There is a very good reason to claim to be an Eritrean even if one is not truly an Eritrean–i. e. to “instantly” be granted legal and official asylum, which a short-cut towards having a “better life”.

          I am of the opinion that non-Eritreans could claim to be Eritreans for their own gains, but I am opposed to any act done at the expense of Eritreans or Eritrea. We should stop them from doing that.

          4. And then you said, “The only people who could be tempted to report as Eritreans for easy asylum are the ones who could speak Eritrean languages and explain Eritrea to some extent. These can only be very minimal in size if any.” What basis do you have that your statement is true? Any statement that could not be substantiated to be true could be anything but truth. If you don’t have a credible evidence that your statement is true, then, it is reasonable to think that it is your presumption, which could be an innocent oversight, or a fabrication for utilization as a calculated means of propaganda to assault “the enemy”. Your statement could imply that, ‘since these people are “minimal in size” (or few), then, the number of those true Eritreans fleeing Eritrea is huge, and therefore, like Frida put it, there are “worse things to come” and that is the responsibility of none other but only the PFDJ.’

          5. Finally, you said, “3) immigration officers of the destination countries have this information and I’m sure they must have been developing ways of screening who is who. If this number was very huge and alarming, they would have reported to their governments and the media would report it big time.” See the following European statistical report.

          http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Countries_of_origin_of_(non-EU)_asylum_seekers_in_the_EU-28_Member_States,_2013_and_2014_YB15_III.png

          You have already admitted that there are non-Eritreans who have reached Europe by saying, “Lets save the ones that are already in Europe on the wait list for their asylum application to be approved for now….” and the one on number 5 above. But some people, including me, are asking how come Djibouti, Ethiopia, or Sudan are not listed there? Is it because asylum-seekers or people whose aim is “better life” don’come from these countries? That is a common question for us to answer.
          I admit that some people are leaving Eritrea (legally and/or illegally) for a “better life”. A few of them are related to me. Some of them were business people, others were employed and others were in the National Service, which doesn’t pay much. I don’t blame them for desiring a “better life” as all/most of them said. They all express that the political independence of Eritrea must be defended and the Eritrean people must be protected, and the GoER desires to improve things but its hands are full, short of foreign currency exchanges, and very few GoER operatives are “corrupt”, and there is a need for national/regional laws so that GoER officials be restrained from making decisions at will. They think that the drafting of a new constitution is a very positive development.

          Now, you are more than welcome to honestly figure out what you said was true/untrue for yourself. You may/may not make them public. Follow your judgement. Remember that the objective is to improve things for Eritrea(ns).

      • Hope

        YAY,
        Are you serious?
        But I thought Ms Hayat Adem is saying and doing things knowingly,purposely,deliberately,etc—in the name of “Telling the Truth”,but in her own way.
        So,no need to advise or coach her.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Awate Staff,
    You said in the above commentary, If [Isias has not returned or arrived in Massawa], the Egyptian guest will be received by Osman Saleh, the Eritrean foreign minister who will be accompanied by his chaperon Yemane Gebreab, the presidential adviser.”
    The Egyptian FM has concluded his visit and Isaias is nowhere. Unless he is playing a hide-seek game, it means he is still out of country on non-work reasons. One of your hypothesis, that he could be hospitalized, seems to be the most likely scenario here. Gheteb said the same thing. If Gheteb can confidently tell us that a PFDJ Congress is going to take place in 2-3 years from now, I cautiously watch for an insider-hints in his comments here. This about PIA could be one. I wish you could reach people in the know and inform us here.

    Hayat

  • Dear Abi,
    I remember, our Amharic literature teacher in our last high school class, who was at the same time teaching at AAU (Ato Alemayehu ….– I do not remember his father’s name), used to tell us that he was proud that he was educated at Waldiba monastery, in Gondar. He used to say that
    it was the ultimate university of the Amharic language, where one could learn the etymology and everything about the Amharic language. He was so proud of this monastery.

    • Abi

      Hi Horizon
      Very interesting!
      I went to a private school upto 8th grade.
      My 8th grade Amharic teacher was a full time prist .
      He never follow the curriculum, he has no idea about lesson plan. The whole year we studied qune and Amharic proverbs.
      The good thing was he missed so many classes due to religious holidays.
      We hated him passionately.
      Alengawun atastawsegn.
      We used to call him ” memiru ” never ” teacher “

      • Eyob Medhane

        Abishu,

        Does anyone remember Seifu Metaferia Frew at AAU? He used to be fumed, if you do “guramile” (Speaking Amharic mixing with English) I had several run in with him about that..Very good man, but very stingy with grades… 🙂

        • Abi

          Eyobe
          I don’t know many of the staff at ILS except Dr Feqade Azeze and Tesfaye Shewaye from Amharic dept. I have taken class with Dr Bayeh Yimam in sociolinguistics . If you know Abiy Daniel, we were very close. I know some of the young staff from English dept like Zelalem Benti , taddese Ode , Woldu and other young ones.
          I miss AAU. The best time of my life.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Hayat Adem V Bronwyn Bruton

    Abbreviation:
    Hayat Adem (HA)
    Bronwyn Bruton (BB)
    ‘Gheteb (G)

    Summary Of Issue At Hand

    The following are EXHIBITS from exchanges on this Forum about Ms. Bruton between HA and ‘G

    EXHIBIT A

    Hayat Adem ‘Gheteb • 15 hours ago
    Hi Gheteb,
    You said above, among other things,: “As if Hayat Adem’s ridiculously risible speculation that Ms. Bruton is “bitter” because she didn’t get some sort of an appointment for a Somalia mission… ”
    -Her being rejected of an appointment in a UN-Somalia Mission is a fact that I knew and none of it is speculative or risible. Her becoming bitter about it is also an observed fact. The claim or implication that her writings and testimonies about the region are driven and influenced by these facts is of course my opinion.
    Hayat
    P.S,: I’d met the person in person some years back on non-related occasion..Please, read also Seyoum’s (of Atlanta) take on her and his beautiful description of “another useful idiot” about Bruton.
    http://assenna.com/ms-bronwayn

    EXHIBIT B

    ‘Gheteb Hayat Adem • 12 hours ago
    Hi Hayat,
    First, help me out here. You said:
    “… Her becoming bitter about it is also an observed fact.”
    An observed fact? Hmmm… mmmm… Was Ms. Bruton a subject of some scientific experiment or was she observed by some objective observers, such as scientists?
    Who , pray tell, were the observers whose observation you are telling me to take as “facts” and why should what “they” have observed be taken as a “fact”? Simply put, who were the observers whose observation about Ms. Bruton reactions ( being bitter) that you are asserting to be nothing but a fact?

    EXHIBIT C

    Hayat Adem ‘Gheteb • 8 hours ago
    Hi Gheteb,
    This is a forum and not a scientific journal and I think you are asking questions that have already been answered. My opinion is formed from reading all her articles about Somalia and recalling how sympathetic intonation she projected when she spoke of al-Shebab and how bitterly critical she was on the TFG leaders and the UNGS special envoy, and connecting it to the personal grudge she held against the UN representative.
    Look, if you are a person so much interested in facts and their authentications, how come you were not questioning her when she said PIA looked 50, when she claimed based on the talks she only exchanged with officials in Asmara that Eritrea is doing well; when she said Meles and IA’s quarrel of 1998 was about Eritrea’s Independence; when she claimed the regime has demobilized 100K from the NS quietly; when she said many of the Med Sea victims could be non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans….which of these claims of hers are scientifically defensible?
    Hayat;

    The foregoing three EXHIBITS are here for a purpose which is for ease of reference.

    Okay, HA weren’t you the one who first claimed that ” Her (BB) becoming bitter about it ( UN-Somalia Mission appointment) is also an OBSERVED FACT”? and here you are in your hectoring pose when you wrote that “This is a forum and not a scientific journal and I think you are asking questions that have already been answered.” Did it occur to you that you are the one who claimed about your claim being an “OBSERVED FACT” and when you were asked to tell us who the observer(s) was/were to make your claim not to be only a FACT but an OBSERVED FACT, what did you opt to do? Well, you fell back and resorted to address a non-issue which is to bloviate about this site being a forum and not a scientific publication as if I have asked you to describe for me what kind of venue or niche this web site is. No, this is a classic case of dodging a question and answering something you were not asked. I don’t care if you are going to evince a severe case of a hissy fit here, but you haven’t answered the question I have raised and I am awaiting for an honest answer or an honest retraction that you have goofed up big time. No other way about this one. Got it, HA?

    Here are some questions to you, HA:

    (A) How do you know that BB has held a personal grudge against the UN representative?

    (B) Why do you say or what is it that makes you claim that BB ” projected a sympathetic intonation when she spoke of Al-Shebab and how bitterly critical she was on TFG leaders” ? Given the fact that you are so tendentiously biased in favor of the Weyane-led government of Ethiopia and all their military adventures in the Horn, why would anyone in his/her right mind take your assessment to be nothing but utterly biased and colored? I mean BB could have appeared to you as bitter to the entity you are rooting for ( TGF leaders) or sympathetic to those you don’t like or care for (Al-Shabab) and all that you are saying amounts to nothing more than your subjective take/impression/understanding.

    (C) Why did you feel that you have to let me know that ” I’d met the person in person some years back on non-related occasion.” Yeah, I don’t get at all. What was the reason for telling me that you have met BB in person? Yes, WHY?

    • Mizaan1

      Gheteb, man, as much as I disagree with you, you never fail to impress me with your command of your ideas and how clearly you express them. You are gifted for sure. I wish you were on the right side of the issues because you could have been a formidable weapon but nationalism has taken you over a little bit with all due respect. I am hoping I am not diluting this thread between you and HA. Honestly though, I find myself in agreement more with HA than with you but HA makes some claims that make me laugh out loud like the one where she is saying that she has met BB in person. It is heads or tails, equal probability of being completely true or bogus but thats beside the point.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mizaan:
        Charmed out of their IQ was written for this reason:-)

      • tes

        Dear Mizaan1,

        I hope you will not change your nickname too if the propagandista recommends. Floating man.

        tes

        • Mizaan1

          Tes,

          If you are here to deny that Gheteb is probably the smartest guy in this forum, then you are not an honest person. Is he right? No. Does he make compelling points for the ‘wrong’ side? Yes, he does. Underestimating your opponent is a huge mistake. The only positive side for us is that the people on his side cannot understand even 1% of what he is saying. We understand what he is saying but we disagree with him. Anyway, take the chill pill young man.

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            It is not whether I deny or not. It is his message that I care most. I hope yo got what Semere Andom gave you though you seem ashamed to take it.

            Charmed out of their IQ was written for this reason.

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Tes, I think you all are misunderstanding what I said. Smart is one thing, compassionate, right, polite, sensitive, humble, justice seeker etc. are another thing. Is Karl Rove smart or not?

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan

            I don’t know who Karl Rove is, if you insist thanks to internet, I can do it. But here, Gheteb is neither smart nor …what ever you put is ok. Gheteb is a dump propagandist who cares nothing except to put what is conveyed to him. Point.

            Now I fully reject your claim that says “Gheteb is smart”. If you go on, I will break him into pieces so that you can see his ignorance. But I hope you will not push me to that end. I have a belief that says, “Ignorance is blessing”. And those ignorant people are so innocent that they do not know what they do.

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mizaan: Let me disagree with you today;-)
            Is Gheteb smart: Absolutely Yes, too smart for his own good
            Is Gheteb Right: I agree with you NO
            Does Gheteb make compelling points. NO. Let me elaborate on this:
            Cousin Gheteb is one of the willfully blind. He is fiercely independent thinker, critical analyzer only conditionally— only when attacking the change seekers and painting PFDJ in good light.
            Look at his arguments when BB goofed. He took her at face value, almost “dawitisque” and “Nitriccisque”. Gheteb believes and I believe willfully that PFDJ is steering the country in the right direction and if they make some cosmetic changes here and there that will be called a reform. He has never uttered a syllable about the prisoners, of Ella-Ero, PFDJ murders of people. He is smitten by the stories of “Gheteb” and Sahel. Nothing wrong with that, I am too, but he, like PFDJ is coasting on that legacy. He is getting better now, but he refused to debate Hayat and he never mentioned even by name, he called her names. He said he will not debate Ethiopians in this forum to which Sal intervened.
            Gheteb, so far has not made any sensible arguments; he is beautifying and rejuvenating PFDJ’s old tired argument with his impeccable diction, writing style and intensity. He is an intellectual who is stuck in his choice, willful blindness.
            But having said that, I still have faith that he is just being devil’s advocate to express his abhorrence of group think, a contrarian, and just like he started calling Hayat by her name and debating her with civility, I have not given up on him that he will grace us with his talents by making the elusive compelling arguments that I am salivating to hear, just like cousin Gheteb salivated on BB’s spooky interview
            I will be remiss if I do not mention that he said he doe snot agree with PFDJ on the justice side. But it was in passing. It does not make sense because he said he trusts PFDJ in national security. Mizaan, PFDJ for Eritrean security? this is far from compelling, any one with ears, eyes and can see that PFDJ is the anti-thesis of Eritrean security. PFDJ endangers the security, sovereignty and even the longevity of the nation of Eritrea

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            Did Gheteb really say he doesn’t debate Ethiopians ? Wow! He missed out big time!
            LeEsum kibir, leEgnam tarik yihon neber.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Oh! yeah!, he said that and more. In this particular case he said that he does not want to engage with Ethiopians because he has nothing to say to them. His smugness has no comparison. He actually was disappointed that the owners of Awate didn’t greet him on time and with a red carpet when one of them said welcome to him a couple of months after his first post.
            .
            Abi, trust me we are not missing anything. He can tell you with a straight face, in queen’s English, that the 1998-2000 war was an Ethiopian invasion that was repelled by Eritrea. Other people say the same thing as a political position statement, he says it with conviction PFDJ style.
            .
            His whole general attitude reminds me of that article YG wrote over a year ago about these Africans who dress like Europeans and buy top of the line ties imported from France, with shiny shoes walking around in their slum neighborhoods. So trust me we are not missing anything, let him be.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            I like to sing for Gheteb. No translation necessary, please.
            ” menged sayishager, bahir saymelsew
            Endet teleyayto abro yinoral sew?”

          • Hope

            Dear Kim Hana and Guad Abinet,
            Geteb might not be interested to respond as he ” does not want to engage ethios”,at least per your perception.
            If you are NOT missing anything ,then —why worry about him and what he has to say?
            If your Weyane bosses follow suit-your stand to leave Geteb and his likes alone,Eritrea and Eritreans would have done better,most likely!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hope,
            .
            That is exactly what I was doing. I am telling my Guad Abinet (Abi) and others that we Ethiopians are not missing anything, in the event he and others did not know.
            .
            Frankly, in my opinion, he is not good for Eritrea either. If you, Hope, say he is good for Eritrea, I will respect that opinion too.
            .
            BTW: Did you read that article by Y.G about the dressed up Africans I referenced?
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            These days Im learning to avoid provoking comments . I like the back room better. It is peaceful.
            Kim, Hope gerageru ende Tija siborq mayet des aylim?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            I know with time we all learn to avoid stress, if we can. Yes, you have come a long way, I don’t see those uppercuts and testas from you any more. However, on occasion, if the record is presented in a bizarre warped way, it is difficult not to straighten it out whatever it takes. You know what my red line is, Hayat Adem, when I address an Eritrean if she is offended, I have gone too far.
            .
            K.H

          • Hope

            You mean using multiple nick names?

          • hope

            Selam Kim Hana,
            I was just reacting to your “judgementalist” comment,not about Geteb being bad or good for Eritrea.
            Every Eritrean counts and is is good for Eritrea…..but our problem is how to bring and all every Eritrean(s) closer to each other.But,yes,thank for your kindness and kind consideration and your positive attitude baout Eritrea.
            Keep it up and recruit other ethios to follow suit.
            Ke-Ende Abinet yemeselu mihret-alba yehonu fitretoch ghin Egziher yawtan/yadinen!
            Abi,
            Yeah,enjoy me as that is why I am here.I miss you for 3 wks now…due to my secret visit to Bahir Dar and Gonder area Kimant and Gojam Resident Agews

          • Mizaan1

            Semere arkey, this is how I look at it. Eritreans are stratified along three lines. One group is devotedly anti PFDJ, like you and I. The second group is blindly supporting PFDJ for whatever reason, that is Gheteb, Nitricc, little dawit, and the like. The third group is the so called silent majority. The third group comprises of the large majority of Eritreans by just simple logical observation. The third group is not too sure of what is going on. They see that it is a mess back home but then they cannot bring themselves to squarely blame PFDJ for what we have amounted to these days. Our fight, as justice seekers, is to convince this huge group and bring it to our side because they are the ones who finance PFDJ in one form or another.

            Individuals who belong to the anti PFDJ camp or the devout supporters are not going to switch sides in our life time. But the uncertain group can go either way depending on who preaches their agenda better. with respect to Gheteb, whether he truly believes what he writes or not is beside the point. What is more important is the fact that he writes strong arguments on behalf of PFDJ and he knows where the heart of most Eritreans is. He brings in TPLF every so often. So in my humble opinion, in the contest to win hearts and minds of the undecided, he is at least clouding out the field.

          • Ted

            Dear Mizan 1, ” Our fight, as justice seekers, is to convince this huge group and bring it to our side because they are the ones who finance PFDJ in one form or another.”
            Any idea how to do that?

          • Hope

            Dear the Commander-in Chief of Satirism Sem and Attorney Mizaan1,
            Please define what is ” Right” in its Political sense and taking into consideration the over all Geo-Political situaion we are in.
            But either way,can’t he have his opinion-irrespective of being right or wrong?
            And who are you to be the Prosecutor and the Judge,at the same time?
            -Mr Mizaan:
            -Yosef G is right!Yes?
            -Ms Hayat Adem is always right coz you agree with her? Yes?
            -Mr Semere Andom is right when he said that that the Weyanes should inade Eritrea and that our Ghedli headed by the EPLF was wrong and null.
            If so,then Mr Geteb should be right too!But he shoud be wrong coz you do not agree with him or since he does not satisfy your stand.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mizann,
            it is difficult to say Gheteb is the smartest guy here when you see people like Mahmuday. but yes Gheteb is very intelligent comparing people like me. Gus what? the smartest man I know so far was Dr. Haile Fida during Derg era. But he was in wrong side and ended in wrong side. you don’t have to be that smart when you are in right side. Truth is just clear and easy to see, easy to analyze the practical life on the ground. when you are in wrong side you make a lot of excuses not to accept the reality,so it is a mater of time to see yourself exposed and thrown. then you try to be loved by both criminals and the mass. you put your one leg thousands of kilometers far from the other leg of yours to find yourself cut in to two and fail on fire.

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Gheteb,
      Mmwahaha! Gheteb, DO NOT decontextualize exchanges by starting from the middle and sometimes by opting to go slushing and burning. A recount of three day events history:
      HA) I sort of said, “Dear Bruton, I know you had personal grudges for being turned down to get a job in the UN-Somalia Mission and that is making you biased”. Notice that my first comment was directly addressed to her for a reason though there might be little or no chance she would read my comments at Awate.
      Gh) You after days reacted and accused me of throwing laughable speculation against Bruton.
      HA) Then I disaggregated my assertion of her as “fact”, “observed fact” and “opinion” for better understandability.
      Gh) You came back again and picked my “observed fact” and tried to ride your speedy horse over me mocking and invoking whether lab experiments or scientific observations have been conducted on that.
      HA) I reminded you about the nature of this forum and that you shouldn’t ask for scientific methodologies here.
      Gh) Then, you responded this morning that I unnecessarily tried to inform you what you already knew that this was a forum and not a scientific academy.
      Then I wanted to yell out “DON’T BRING SCIENTIFIC STANDARD TO AWATE FORUM OR ELSE DON’T ACCUSE ME FOR REMINDING YOU ON THE NATURE OF THE FORUM. It has to be one of the two. You see how you are playing it weird! For anyone who just read only the latest feed, it might be misleading as if I was claiming one fact and one standard; and then as if I was contradicting myself with another fact and another standard.
      Mizaan told you how never failed to impress him. I wish I could say the same. If I were you, I wouldn’t fall for the complement and fail to see deep into the very essence of Mizaan’s comment. He said, “if you were on the right side…” That’s a polite rejection and the opposite of a tough love. The sun sets there. If you are not on the right side, every strong effort from you is only to embolden the wrong. Every powerful articulation is about advancing the falsehood. If it is not about the right thing, a weak articulation is much better preferred than a powerful articulation.
      Now, it’ should be easy to answer your questions directly:
      (A) How do you know that BB has held a personal grudge against the UN representative? I observed.
      (B) Why do you say or what is it that makes you claim that BB ” projected a sympathetic intonation when she spoke of Al-Shebab and how bitterly critical she was on TFG leaders”? From her tones of writings on the subject. Most of them are here: http://www.cfr.org/staff/b14483
      (C) Why did you feel that you have to let me know that “I’d met the person in person some years back on non-related occasion?” To impress you:) Or to project and signify my own importance eep! What were you thinking Gheteb? It was meant for your benefit to understand me why I thought I was justified to use the phrase “observed fact” and because I was kind of predicting that you would be asking “how did you know that?” But if you think it was unnecessary,( and it probably was more unnecessary than it was necessary, and more so especially now after you responded that way), then leave it, forget it, trash away.
      Hayat

      • Mizaan1

        Thank you Hayat!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Hayat

        I think the following needs a proper address. You alluded that Ms/Mrs. Burton became friendly towards the Eritrean government and its president because she holds grudge over the UN for turning her employment application down. You stated:
        ” Some people noted your growing grievance on being rejected after you submitted an application to be appointed or hired as an advisor to the UN Special Envoy on Somalia then, Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah and they believe you’ve been bitter and bitter since then. It seems as though that is your main drive behind all these cadre-level testimonies. Remember, there are ways you can be bitter about anything without putting your integrity(if there is one standing) on the line.”

        Gheteb has aptly asked you to back it up with facts, but you seem to skip addressing his request and tried to deviate readers’ attention to other minor stuff. This is important; it goes deep down to someone’s character. You have mentioned the agency that allegedly turned her down, and the name of the special envoy; it’s not a statement of general reference. Therefore:

        a/ back your “some people noted…” allegation with facts, provide sources, please….that’s of impartial writers, observers, officials,…think tank personalities, etc. published in media whose editorial independence could not be controversial.

        b/ correct/retract it.

        Note: I personally careless what a foreigner says (good or bad) about Eritrea, what’s important to me is how Eritreans describe their country. It becomes interesting only when it becomes a topic, and I urge you to do one of the above. If I missed anything please let me know.

        Another point I want to correct you on is the following:

        ” For example, when IA was in New York and tell his crowd that Eritreans are not 3 million that because of their super quality every Eritrean must be multiplied by 10, the crowed got intoxicated and up-roared in unison.’

        Here too, I don’t know what IA said in NYC, and what the context was. But since some TPLF cadres complain about this ” super quality” and because I care for you in order that you base your future comments within their historic context, I want to give you how this ratio evolved.
        During the strategic retreat of 1978 up till the balance of forces somewhat balanced out (that’s about 1984, after 7th offensive) that ratio held up with some negligible margins of error. That’s a fact it could be verified because you will have the numbers open to you, not too far in the future. That period was decisive, it was hellish, it demanded Eritreans become resourceful, innovative and enduring. After 1984, the initiative was on our side, and the national service or forced conscription began replenishing files. The expression began from that period, which was true in its time and place, but then took the shape of agitating the mass, uplifting their fighting spirit. But there is no question we were out numbered and outgunned, however the trend of the ratio might have behaved.
        Let me put it in words you could understand:
        If you ask the pioneers of TPLF, they will tell you that fact. They were outnumbered and outgunned. The spark would start in the small locality they wandered in, they had to teach people, hide within the people, and they had to convince the fighters and the people to multiply their efforts. It’s pretty normal in any social movements. I remember that TPLF songs and motivational speeches were full of such expressions. PMMZ famous “enQaE kabaKum teweledna” is a non numerical expression of such motivational speeches.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Mahmuday meArey,
          1) I believe I’ve addressed Gheteb’s points as adequately as I can. When I report it as a knowledge and testimony in the first person, i’m being asked for testimonies in the third person. THAT IS …FORGET IT. I’m not discussing Bruton any further.
          2) Nakfa endurance is one thing. New York utterance is another thing. Do you believe some level of dishonesty is okay, Mahmuday? I kind of sense that. I didn’t talk about Nakfa. I talked bout NewYorkfa. I find it hard to believe you you didn’t know what IA said in New York 4 years ago while you remember what he said in Nakfa 40 years ago. In any case, he said what I said he said. Interestingly, you didn’t ask me to produce evidence for this one because you didn’t need it, and that is because, I suspect, you didn’t need evidence for something you already know to be true.
          So, he said it. Go ahead and refresh your memory from clips archived in YouTube. But my point was not about IA or whether an Eritrean worthies more than anybody else. You KNOW how PFDJ uses it to intoxicate its supporters, don’t you? While you can say “Eritreans are a nation of law” and stop there, they find it necessary to say “But Tigreans are a people of vendetta”. While the leaders can say “Eritreans are hardworking, enduring and achievers” and stop there, they find it necessary to claim that one Eritrean is equal to x number of Ethiopians. An Eritrean is 10 persons worth, they clap to that. It takes a genius to milk 90 million cows, they clap to that. When an Eritrean dies in the Seas or at the hands of the ISIS, s/he is not just remembered as 10 persons worth, s/he is not even remembered as one person worth. That was my point.
          Hayat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Gual Adem

            Not so fast; I sense you made up the allegation on BB that she made the trip to Eritrea out of her grudge over UN. Yes, or not? If yes, correct yourself, if not, support it with evidence. That’s all.

            On Nakfa/NYC: I put that expression within its context. My goal was to contextualize the expression for others not to convince you. You can skip it.

            But here is the thing Hayat, you are displaying a typical maneuvering of disinformation by mixing your own made up accusations in the heat of the moment (as in the case of BB), and/ or taking expressions Eritreans are familiar with out of their context and blending them with your own interpretations. In the former example it was a deceitful act, since you are refusing either to correct it or to provide supporting facts. In the latter case, it’s also a deceitful act since you are trying to take an expression that most Eritreans are familiar with (an expression that has its own genesis and has nothing to do with IA) in order to make a point: demeaning Eritreans. My goal was to alert you that that expression is not of IA making, that it has a historical root. Again, your sarcasm aside, it was with good intention from my part to help you understand those bits and clips in their context. I don’t need to search for those clips because I am absolutely sure what they mean. And your lamentation of the fact that “they find it necessary to claim that one Eritrean is equal to x number of Ethiopians”, it was true. Again, there was no comparison between Eritreans and Ethiopians but between the warring armies.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            I don’t make up things and there is no need of me to do that. Please focus on issues and don’t be angry when discussing.
            Hayat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Hayat

            OK, by refusing either to collaborate or retract your accusation that Bronwyn Burton had made favorable remarks on Eritrea partly because she had bad feeling about the UN since the UN had turned her employment advance down, I mark your statement as false. I move on.

            Now on Issayas and x10.

            – First let me bring the following to your attention:

            1. The person who talked about the vendetta is professor Asmerom; he is a well known scholar, not a PFDJ political leader. However, I criticized his statement, particularly, since he is an accomplished anthropologist, I did not anticipate him to make that remark (you can check it in my disqus account).

            2. The person who made the 90 million remark is non other than the great Ted whose no nonsense comments I admire. He is as a fierce fighter for justice as any person could claim to be. He believes in the potential of Eritreans. He believes We can be multiplied by 10 to solve our problem if motivated through credible leadership and a unified plan of action. He clarified it and I understand him.

            3. Here are IA words that you twisted to fit it into your Ghebru Asrat narration (I will come to them), but the point is: I tried to tell you that those expressions were based on true fact and then became fitting description of Eritrean endurance, steadfastness, and resourcefulness…..etc. I brought TPLF story to help you discover your unwarranted venture. I was just trying to help you out. You persisted…without any corrective move from your side. That tells me you are not interested on fact based exchange of information; you just want us to be your dumping ground of your concocted stories aimed at creating a fog of disinformation.

            Now here is the tape. I bring it here just to discredit YOUR biased take of his statements. I am not going to confirm or affirm any of the speech. I stopped long time watching IA. You need to understand this in connection with the reply I gave you earlier pertaining to the origin of that expression. In this one IA states the following:

            – He thanks the participants for MeKete that they had done to foil ….

            – He contemplates on how people become heroes, and he attributes that to the people, he said, ” It is the people who make individuals courageous.” It is a simple and universally true statement. Any leader says that.

            -He continues touching on the challenges the country went through

            – And then he asks: why are Eritreans are holding up despite the pressure.

            He says,” Sometimes I wonder” how could such a small people stand up to all these challenges?

            – Then gets into your 10x saying that UN agencies document that the Eritrean population is 3…4…4.5…million, and adds that people (we) can give it any number, we can multiply it times any number, “as per our productivity.” It’s clear he is not talking about comparing Eritreans and Ethiopians but based on history and his experience, he is talking about the productivity, the sacrifice and willingness to do extra when people are organized and directed towards an objective they feel its success is important to them. Any leader says that. He adds that he would say it was an undertaking that would normally require a 10 times the number of Eritreans, Again he connects this expression with the struggle era…similar to the reply I had gave you.

            – He even rhetorically wonders if nations and peoples similar to Eritrea in terms of size and the endowment of resources would have been able to thwart similar challenges. He continues that he might be selfish or emotional, but Eritreans epic journey was an epic one. That’s all. There is no reference to Ethiopians (as people).

            Another falsifying.
            ** Bonus: IA was asked in 1985 how many soldiers he had in his command. He quickly replied 3million. You know what I mean.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6toumQcr0M

          • Abi

            Selam Mahmud
            I was expecting you to comment on the Great Ted’s ( the wise man) remark of 90 million cows. So far you are ” quite as a nun.” I don’t want to assume anything. I like to here it from you.
            Thanks.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam abi
            ደሓን፡ ሕሹኽ ክብሎ እየ።

          • Abi

            ” Lost in Translation”

          • Mahmud Saleh

            yene abi
            Ha…ha…I got you. I did it purposely, and it reads:
            ” Don’t worry, I will whisper it(the advice) in his ears.”

          • Abi

            Hi memhir
            I prefer you put it in writing. As the saying goes
            ” beQal yetenegere yiresal, beTshuf yesefere yitawesal.”
            It is ok to use alenga on students who behave really bad. Those students should be punished in front others. So that the OTHER will learn. You can hit two bats with one stone.
            Either you drop the students or pick up the stick. Otherwise, they will milk your kindness

          • Ted

            Hi, Abi, the fake Gondere.
            What the heck are you doing her. Didn’t you say you felt liberated after TPLF deported Eritreans who were milking Ethiopia like cows. You know exactly what i said that The Great MS need not to explained to you . Do you think you can guilt trip me, think again.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Do you mean there are no scholars who are the mouthpiece of PFDJ? What do you mean when you say professor Asmerom is a well known scholar, not a PFDJ political leader? Mahmuday many times you make unforced errors. Professor Asmerom at one time was an adviser of DIA. I will never forget when he said “there is a vibrant democracy in Eritrea” at the podium of the United Nations a decade or so years ago. Don’t forget there are many “lipstick Eritrea academicians” who lived to beautify the tyrant of our nation. It is not unusual to our nation only, there are everywhere for that matter. You sound to portray there are no academicians who involve in the politics of their nation. Though you criticized the professor’s statement, you want to absolve him from any political affiliation with the PFDJ in those years serving the Issayas regime.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Aman

            What’s up man?

            1. “Do you mean there are no scholars who are the mouthpiece of PFDJ”

            Answer: Did I say that?
            2. ” What do you mean when you say professor Asmerom is a well known scholar, not a PFDJ political leader?”
            Answer: That’s exactly what I mean. Tell me if he has any political position in PFDJ.
            3. I would love to continue the discussion but you have already taken off on your judgemental horse. The rest is yours Aman, not mine. My objection to some of his remarks is in my disqus account.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Are those really your only answers? that is all. I have shown you in my comment that Prof. Asmerom was once upon a time a dispatched diplomat from Asmara in the yearly routine of General assembly meeting of the United Nation. Even I quoted for you some of his statement. Do you want me to show you his membrship ID? what do you want more than that. I hope you will not tell me that “political leaders” are those with ministerial portfolios only. Advisors are part of the political machine, so also Prof. Asmerom as an advisor was indeed part of the political machine of PFDJ.

            Mahmuday, this is not my judgment, it was reality, that he was from the political operatives of the government before he left for good and continue his academic career in the USA. You shouldn’t deny his affiliation with the government of Eritrea was part parcel of his own history.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            DEAR The GREAT MS, i don’t want to do hateta on this but i want to give you a mental picture.
            Imagine all Eritrean came in to town halls of city they live in masses as you see above in NY. Imagine the representative/ambassadors of the GOV sitting across them. Imagine people reading the changes they want to see in Eritrea GOV. Imagine the cheer of the crowd as each demand being read. Imagine the reaction the man on the hot seat. Imagine the smile of power on the people.
            Semere, there is amnesty clause on the demand., although you don’t deserve it:)

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            I don’t believe for a bit you are making a drop of sense in all of this. I’m not even clear how bizarrely you have come to lose your composure to this extent. But, may be the next questions might help clear up your mind::
            Why do you feel you have to go a long way to stand on guard for Bruton? Why are you so worried any stupid thing that came out of the mouth of PFDJ might appear as if it is owned by the Eritrean people?
            Hayat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Hayat
            The question is still active. Let’s get over with that issue which deals with credibility and then we can move on. Of course, it is optional.
            a/ You made up the allegation that BB made favorable comments on Eritrea because she had grudges over UN’s turning down of her employment application.
            Then apologize
            b/ You did not make it up.
            Then provide supporting proof.
            (details are in my initial reply)
            Thanks.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear esteemed awatista
    Wondering why so much chatters on a person who has little bearing on Eritrean issues? Well, it is the Ferenji effect. Both PFDJ and the giddy opposition have placed greater significance on foreign visitors and tourists more than their own people in trying to convince us and the world that their side is more credible. You watch Eti-tv interviewing “satisfied” tourists, indulging renowned foreign heavyweights, and the opposition rallying the world more than it could rally their own people. They both want to use foreigners in order to showcase their cause and achievements, and bash their opponents. Why not use their own people? Now, the paradigm as of now looks like this.
    Pfdj= scene 1: see we have achieved such and such on MDGS, you want proof? Ask the UN.
    Scene 2: blame UN for all of our failures
    Opposition=scene 1: we are winning, , look the sanctions and the bad press reputation we have created for Eritrea/pfdj.
    Scene 2: we are not doing well because Ethiopia and the world have not done enough, look at EU, it is pledging a huge fund for Eritrea/pfdj.
    Meanwhile, the people, to both sides: Hi there! Here, we are here. Just ask us and we will tell you what exactly your real weight is. We have the judgement on your performance, if you want to here it. Until then, well, the Ferenji will keep coming looking for spotlights.

    • dawit

      Dear Mahmud,

      This is not to play as ‘Spoiler’ but to contribute to those at Awate.com participant who may not have seen an interview of Isaias by Ethiopian journalists who are not ‘Ferenji’ recent visit to Eritrea. They raised many of the issues that was raised and reported by lady Bruton and Isaias gave straight answers. I don’t think those Ethiopian journalists were looking a ‘Spot light’ for themselves, but try to discover knowledge or find facts about and history of the man who made impact of our region. The interview is unique because it uses the two languages Amharic and Tigrigna. This is not prepared by Eritv or VOA but ESAT.

      Let us see and hear ‘Isaias the Monster’ in his own words.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ARmzzJPKIE8#t=32

      • Mahmud Saleh

        dawit the spoiler
        IA: ” I am the healthiest person in this world.”
        AH: “Where is the statics?,”
        dawit: “IA himself is the statics and the statistician.”
        I thought ESAT journalists were more professional than…you know who. At least, you could see them relaxed and prodding him into venturing out to matters of “national security” importance, like how he is feeling; things only foreign journalists could ask him.
        dawit,(not SPECIFICALLY you), how WILL people, like you, who happen to express their love to the country through the persona of IA, express their love after his departure, assuming that he is subject to natural laws.

        • dawit

          Dear Mahmud,

          I am sorry you seem the information has made you angry. As I said my intension was to share pertinent information from the man who had impact on the region. There is nothing to spoil, but to shre information for
          people to reach their own conclusions. In Amharic we say ‘ከባለቤቱ በላይ የሚያውቅ ቡዳ ነው’ The man said he
          is healthy and you ask where is the statistics? You wanted ‘Health Certificate’ may be from Tikur
          Anbesa Hospital or WHO! You also wonder what Eritreans who will do when he die? Well the answer is clear, Eritrean revolution did not create only one leader. There are thousands of Awate’s followers who will step forward and defend Eritrean independence. Isaias said ‘hate is sickness’ so brother Mahmud may be all those who hate Isaias and Eritrea need to check their mental status. Why so much hate? Here is the second part of the interview.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=md6fyDQDnII#t=26

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan dawitom (The spoiler)
            You think you are going to get me off balance?
            The Truth-Bound Society believes some correction are warranted here.

            1. IA said, “I am the healthiest person in the world.” It was not a casual statement like, “I am healthy.”

            AH would be correct to ask for some statistical proof. Remember, he asked for the provision of same proof when someone repeated the word “majority.” Then, our dearest president, the one who knows how to cripple a vibrant country, the one who has mastered treachery over his comrades who had brought him to Asmara, and who in later years scrambled UN, Israeli and Ethiopian resources to save his life; yes, our dearest IA, is actually obsessed about his health. Otherwise, he could have simply bypassed the question redirecting the journalists to other issues; or he would simply state he was feeling fine, or as you improved it, he would say he was healthy. Everyone with a firing neuron knows his “I am the healthiest person in the world” statement is false. But he is not the subject, the subject is his policies. He is the one who vent hate, and Eritrea is full of the consequences of his hateful attitudes and treatments towards his veteran comrades and people.
            2. About TiQur Anbesa: dawitom you know it better than me, but I have to thank them for treating me while I stayed in Addis; initially, a former wayanay friend helped me through their unit “doctor” or /foot doctor/paramedic, but when the malaria did not respond to the treatment, they thought it could be a different strain so they took me there. The doctors and all the staff in TiQur were friendly. That was an eye opening experience for me. It was my first time that I met ordinary Ethiopians. Coming to IA,I just want to remind you that IA was saved in 1993 by doctors from TiQur Anbesa.

            3. You said, “You also wonder what Eritreans who will do when he die? Well the answer is clear, Eritrean revolution did not create only one leader. There are thousands of Awate’s followers who will step forward and defend Eritrean independence.”
            Substitute “Awate’s followers” with “Eritreans” since we know Awate is a late comer to IA memory, if at all, (as late as 1985-87).
            You see how you have seared Eritrean independence to IA fate? That brings me to one occasion when a friend of me showed up into our favorite Starbucks wearing “Nsu NHna, NHna Nsu” or, “he is us and we are him” sweater. I asked: “Then if he dies you guys are dead too, Eritrea is dead too.” This is to say that many folks do believe that with IA their “Eritrea” is gone. I know you brings those things to irritate people, but there are real people who think so; and that’s the point not IA. Otherwise, yes, I have no doubt Eritreans will step forward long before he succumbs to natural laws.
            Regards.

          • dawit

            Dear Mahamud,

            Believe me I had no desire to get you out of balance. You raised an issue I replied to what you raised. If my answer irritates you, that is you problem.

            Can you refute PIA’s lies claiming that EPLF soldiers participating in removing gold teeth from Derg’s soldiers. According to the young Ethiopian journalist, that was a true history recorded by Ethiopian historians, that they heard or read.

            Since you participated on the liberation front, did you also profited from the gold teeth loot, i.e according to modern history of Ethiopian-Eritrean relation? If so is PIA lying

            Since you wrote “He (PIA) is the one who vent hate, and Eritrea is full of the consequences of his hateful attitudes and treatments towards his veteran comrades and people”.

            Can you watch all the interviews made by Ethiopians journalists and critics line by line on all the lies PIA were feeding the innocent journalists?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcMW14ACh-Y&feature=player_embedded#t=1007

            Regards

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Dawit
            You are a tough seller, Dawit. Assuming you agree with the corrections the TBS forwarded to you, I will watch the list you posted.
            dawitom, think and talk Eritrea and I will join you. The issue is more than IA. Linking the fate of Eritrea with the fate of IA is wrong.

          • Hope

            Mahmouday,
            I know you are trying to be diplomatic and to be reserved….from addressing the issues in detail.
            But you can give dawitom few doses from the tip of the iceberg.
            Simple questions dawit cannot answer is:
            -Who is resposnible for the mysterious disappearnce and why,of the more than 3k Eritrean Liberation Fighters and their top leaders and Intellectuals during the Armed Struggle?
            -Why is PIA keeping the Ratified Constitution a hostage,and/ or ,worse,why did he discard it totally,rather than amending it,even to his satisfaction?
            The issue fo Constitution addresses the whole issues of:
            -Legitimate Freedom of Speech
            -Legitimate and constructive Role of the Private Sector of the Economy,the back bone of a Nation
            -Most importantly,it addresses the issue of Citizens ‘Right to defend themselves in the Court of Law,rather than dying in the prisons or being kidnapped and held in communicado with no access to their loved ones.
            -What about NOT addressing the issue of the more than 300K Eritreans,who have left Eritrea in the last 7-10 yrs?
            Isn’t this alarming Exodus the most serious and the Toppest and of utmost importance Mekete and national Security Issue?
            Dawit,
            BTW,I took the risk of being reported to the ” Home Land Security” and am on the ” wanted List”.
            Can you address those issues on behalf of PIA?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello cousin
            I don’t believe Yemane Gebreab could answer those questions let alone poor dawit. I like his personality though. Oh, BTW, I’m not playing diplomatic. Unless extremely pushed that’s who I am unless extremely pushed around.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Don’t change who you are even if you are pushed. Otherwise you will exhibit two Mahmudays contradicting each other. Actually that is the problem I have with your comments. Rectify and act always with who you are. Don’t be pushed to say against who you are. Unsolicited advise.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Aman,
            Did U really understand what the Vet tried to say?
            I doubt it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hope,

            Yes Hope, word by word, especially to Mahmuday and some few others whom I take them seriously. He acknowledged himself, that when somehow is pushed, he loses his actual position. So my message was don’t be another “Hope” who swing like pendulum clock back and forth in the screen of our political theater. Other than that he understand the problem of our politics more than the average in this forum. If Mahmuday would have been focused on the real issue, he would have contributed a lot in changing our political discourse the way his “stamina” and his “impeccable demeanor” he exhibit in his engagement. Hopefully, Mahmuday will understand what I mean.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma

            As I finished a reply to you, I am again reading this. Please correct the above. You said, ” He acknowledged himself, that when somehow is pushed, he loses his actual position.” You have misconstrued my statements in all of your replies today. What’s going on brother?
            Hope said that my reply to dawit was diplomatic. He wanted me to be more aggressive. And I replied to him that unless I was extremely pushed around that was who I was. There is no talk of position shifts, it’s clear we were talking about temperament, the tone and energy of the debate rather than about positions, just you know. The rest is up to you.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Though I have observed at time you sound to defend the Eritrean government and at another time you disgusted by the regime (not one time, many time), and if in this particular comment misunderstood you in the way I put it, I apologize. Though your words are diplomatic in nature as many understood you, please look to this statements, ” Oh, BTW, I’m not playing diplomatic. Unless extremely pushed that’s who I am unless extremely pushed around.” if you are not diplomatic “not playing diplomatic” as you put it, what will be Mahmuday if somehow “extremely pushed around”? Look again when words and statements are ambiguous they are prone to misinterpretations. We don’t know what you mean in your mind about those words. What we perceive from those words are translated to what he mean Mahmuday. We need clarity of our words before we let it go for the digestion and consumption in the public domain. Anyway, I take your words.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Aman
            I think we went down this road before. Remember my “bring it on”?
            Well, brother bring the contradicting comments that you have problem with and I am happy to unlock the mystery that you are not reading contradicting comments coming from me. Again, support your claim with evidence. If I get time I will respond to your reply concerning professor Asmerom, if not my initial comment (days ago) covers your concerns.
            Respectfully,
            Thanks Emma.

          • dawit

            Dear Mahmuday;
            I am not trying to sell or spoil any thing. I just to learn and share knowledge her at AT. Mahamuday, I always think of Eritrea. I never equate Isaias = Eritrea. Contrary to that it seems to me you are the one who is equating them. Even PIA does not think himself as Eritrea. If you have noticed the ESAT interview, when asked he was, his simple answer was he is the product of Eritrean Struggle. So you see without Eritrea, there is no struggle and without the struggle ther is no PIA. But many here at AT, they try to destroy Eritrea by sneaking using Isaias as the conduit. They say Isaias is a devil, a monster, spoiler the proceed Eritreans Devil worshiper, therefore their country must also the Devils’ land. Eritrea the Spoiler. If TBS accepts Woyanes and their associates word blindly, I have no desire to be included. Time will tell the Truth.

            Here is my favorite Amharic songs on Truth and Time for your listening enjoyment

            http://ethiozeima.com/2010/04/22/gize-mizan-%e2%80%93-hamelmal-abate/

            Enjoy it

          • Abi

            dawit
            “The future of Eritrea is much brighter.”
            (Tinbite Isaias)
            “Qoy nege, qoy nege yilal sew sitabey
            Bezare lay qomo mechiwun sigebey “( mezmure dawit)
            Andu yitenebyal, lelaw yizemral
            Yechegerew bewuha yalqal.

          • dawit

            Hi Abi,
            sorry for the delayed response, Tinbite Isaias could be true in given time. 25 years ago nobody thought there will be an independent nation called Eritrea. Today everyone prophesies the future of Eritrea to dark and Tinbite Isaias is brighter. Only Time will tell.

            Here is Amharic song by Hamelmal Abate one of my favorites for your listening pleasure.

            http://ethiozeima.com/2010/04/22/gize-mizan-%e2%80%93-hamelmal-abate/

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawit,
            you have committed a crime, you should stand for justice in near future like Isaias and Almin and others who hijacked the real national struggle. your words here are serving the most dictatorial group history has seen. it is like killing all heroes who were trusting you and me and dead for us. in fact long before the Tinbite Isaias (the most corrupted written material I have ever seen) there were heroes who stand for our real national freedom, they never thought even there will be part of generation which is hopeless, immoral, uncultured and who never stand for truth. you can imagine what could have happened if our heroes are here around today as young as you do. Shame on you.

  • teweldino

    Hi Tes,

    These people think they own our identity / who we are. They think it is a kebele / memehidar kubon they can give one day and take away the next day if they don’t like you. Add Josef Fritzl to that list of what PFDJ is.

    • tes

      Dear teweldinho,

      Josef Fritzl = Dictaror Issaias Afewerki.

      tes

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    The Bronwyn Bruton saga isn’t something to dwell much on because it is unlikely to render solution to any of the internal or external problems of our country. It is natural that some agree and others disagree with her take but hey people! The times don’t permit to be caught up in such side issue of least consequence. If Ms Bronwyn Bruton feels confident to lead opinion in Eritrea:

    – Can she assure those affected and the world in general that she has visited all those jailed in Eritrea, that they are alive and in good health, that their basic legal rights are fulfilled and meet distraught families and desirous children of the victims to alley their concern and suffering? Can she meet the son of Mahmud Sherifo who is a contributor here, the daughter of Petros Solomon, the families of the Jehovah Witness and many and many more…

    – Can she share with the world on how she found the Eritrean people expressing their will without coercion? What are the mediums that she observed that are used for such purposes of free expression.

    – Can she conclusively refute that Eritrea is lawless country by pointing to one singular document that serves as a contract between the governed and the governing.

    – Can she show us how she ascertained that the economic misery and hardship that was wrought on the people, the distraction of the very basic pillars of their nation, the mass exodus and much more is actually understood by the people in the way it was portrayed to her by the perpetrators themselves?

    – Finally can she explain away and write off all the people that are opposing the regime?

    Of course, we are tired of gimmicks and lopsided opinions, however we need to question the validity of squandering an inordinate amount of time against individuals who exercise a judgment of their own volition.

    For me PFDJ/Regime or whatever we call it, had long died. I say the regime prevented the people from doing this or that, I dont say the regime didn’t do this or that because I don’t expect it to do under whatever circumstances. IA is the leader who died once and died forever thereafter. There is no single issue or right that has ever died under his watch and then restored back, never, not even one. As his end is nearing, he cleared the decks by burning the last trace of reference (read constitution) just to make sure when the sh!@t hit the fan, the Eritrean people would go down burning good and proper. If there is someone expecting Bronwyn Bruton to make the slightest dent to the way forces are lined up currently, that is very foolish. Still, she would go as fast as she came, but the fast pace at which Eritrean fate is heading to the worse would still be here waiting to be dealt with. Of course, at an ever increasing cost.

    Regards

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam HTG,

      You say;

      ” The Bronwyn Bruton saga isn’t something to dwell much on because it is unlikely to render solution to any of the internal or external problems of our country. It is natural that some agree and others disagree with her take but hey people! The times don’t permit to be caught up in such side issue of least consequence. If Ms Bronwyn Bruton feels confident to lead opinion in Eritrea:”

      After rendering your exhortations that we shouldn’t be “caught up in such side issue” and in a trice you peeled off on a tangent to reel off your questions to Ms. Bruton. I found it to be utterly contradictory and frankly you seem like you want to have your cake and eat it too.

      I mean why raise these questions to Ms. Bruton, if “dwelling much on it is unlikely to render solutions to any of the internal or external problems of our country”?

      Or, is this simply a case of you talking through your “mind” instead of using your “heart” ? I wonder!

      • haileTG

        Selamat Gheteb,

        Good question. What I am asking is rhetorical question, meaning to show that she has nothing worth to dwell on. Otherwise, we know the answer to every single one of them by heart:) else it would be contradiction in terms to oppose the regime without having knowing the answer to those. Hence, they were asked in rhetorical manner, i.e not to get the information sought but underscore the validity of one’s own premise/assumption. Thanks for asking that.

        • saay7

          Haile The Great:

          Due to time, I haven’t joined your discussion on heart v mind. It’s only fitting that Haile TG should run a coup on Plato (is it ok to mention him without someone accusing awate of being the den of philosophers? I always take it as a compliment when people say that btw.) Plato talked about two horses and charioteer. In Plato’s analogy: we have appetites: wants, desires, me, me, me (symbolized by black horse); our spirits which you would call heart: the one that gets righteously indignant at injustice (white horse); then we have our mind which controls and guides them (the charioteer.) I would like to get Haile TG’s full discourse on this. Are you saying overthrow the charioteer and the black horse and just BE the white horse?

          Meanwhile, our friend Semere Habtemariam wrote a book entitled “Hearts Like Birds” which, I think, is a phrase from the Islamic Hadith. “Hearts like birds” And refers to a heart that is free of “Hasada” (envy: one of the 7 deadly sins according to Christianity.) In our rare (by which I mean frequent) moments of self-flattery, we Eritreans say we are free of Hasada but you know who aint:)

          I wrote, allegedly, a review of the book where I describe the difference between “Hearts like birds” (the ideal), “hearts like one” (Hade hzbi Hade lbi, the PDFJ version), and “hearts like squids” (the “Federated States of Eritrea” version.)

          You can read it here, although, warning: it is full of hatew-ketew that may have nothing to do with the book which is being allegedly reviewed:)

          http://awate.com/hearts-like-birds-romantics-like-romance/

          saay the mogogist*

          * In your absence, somebody used that term and I think it is clever and I am borrowing it:)

          • haileTG

            Selamat Saay,

            Ha ha… ኣይፋሉን፡ ኣነ’ስ ልብና ጠፊኡና’ሎ እየ ዝብል ዘለኹ…

            An unsolicited advice in order: one ought never rely on the ancient Greek philosophies when one is short of time. Their dialog is timed in years not minutes:-)

            Although what you brought up is of interest in its own right, it doesn’t represent (fit well) with what I am attempting to crystallize through the heart/mind conceptualization in our case.

            The whole Chariot Allegory in Plato’s dialog represents the Soul (psuchê). The mind isn’t depicted as the sole Charioteer, rather part of the the soul that seeks enlightenment. Of course, one needs to have an overview of Presocratic thinking in the subject as well as that of Plato (in the Phaedo, then the Republic), Aristotle (in the De Anima or On the Soul), Epicurus, and the Stoics. I am pointing to this simply to point out that the Chariot Allegory, if need be, can be shown to be consistent with what I am saying. The Republic itself, known as ‘On Justice’ in ancient times, considers that the just is happy and the unjust wretched even if justice and injustice can be equally profitable if weighed in the absence the Chariot’s control. So, no it is not that we are required to be the white horse because individual character dispensation is not what is sought after by my arguments there.

            I am of the view that Eritreans are paying exuberant price unnecessarily and the work of the Organized opposition needs to have initiatives (framework that characterizes all their dealings) that encourages Eritreans to trust and care one another. What is happening in today’s Eritrea and among today’s Eritreans is devastatingly horrendous. When I see that we are now at a stage where the orphanage of thousands of our children, the death and tragedies of thousands of our fellow citizens has been normalized, it is very worrying trend laying the ground for the worse yet to come. I don’t believe Eritreans lack morality as people, I do believe they experience normal feelings associated with events of various sorts, however, at this time and in reaction to Eritrea and Eritreans alone, we seem to have shut out our hearts and obsessed with reasoning our heads inside out to win our particular arguments or political outlooks.

            In the court of our minds, opposition/supporter, it seems about “how does this help my argument”, where as in the court of the heart, a dark future is being mapped out for us ahead, with every passing opportunity that we squander and lives we lose. At this stage of the game, the future is in the hands of organized groups, the masses are in precarious situation to restore themselves to normalcy alone. The Organized opposition can plan activities and programs as well as policies designed to plant seeds of trust, solidarity and the sharing of each other’s burden. They have the organization to do that. If such is only done by individuals, it would still be good, but wouldn’t pay dividend towards accelerating the mass mobilization needed to effect the desired change.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,
            Below is, the take home point or advice for any well meaning political organization from a concerned Eritrean Haile-TG which I would like to highlight for emphasis of its importance.

            “The Organized opposition can plan activities and programs as well as policies designed to plant seeds of trust, solidarity and the sharing of each other’s burden.”

            Really “planting the seeds of trust, solidarity, and sharing of each other’s burden” are the missing priority in the list work to do in the opposition camp. Until this is realized nothing tangible outcome will come out of them, how ever noble and farsighted their political program might look.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            How far you progressed to trust people on your own take? Just curious to know? I am afraid of equating to trust = to agree in your political terminology.

            With Regards
            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tes,
            Those words quoted are not my words, they belong to Haile-TG. Do I agree on them? Yes I did. They are “idealistic staements” not “political terminology” at least to make you aware about the nature of the words. Which political terminology are you trying to equate to the word trust? Be relevant with what is stated out there, who stated them, and direct your question to the owner of the statements. Simple advice.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • haileTG

            Dear Tes and Emma,

            It could be that you both have more to contribute here, let me briefly illustrate my take though. If Eritreans didn’t trust each other, would they’ve achieved independence? Again, if Eritreans had trusted each other, would they have faced the current misery? Would an opposition movement thrive in mobilizing divided and polarized constituency? The NNN (for no no no) is my take, what is yours? Does any PFDJista trust his/her PFDJista to speak for them if they are disappeared by the god they worship? Of course not. Does any Eritrean remember to call the organized opposition if they are facing any problem? Of course not. So, an atmosphere of no trust results in division and the roof collapses into the house (because there are no pillars). Agreements are outside the scope of what I am addressing here and the prerogative of the parties making those agreements.

            Please add more thoughts to this as that is the only way we can bring our understanding up to the mark. Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dearest Haile-TG,
            The statements I quoted you, are dear to my heart. If time permits, I will extend the concept to elaborate them how they are determining factors to our current struggle, in terms of “unity of purpose” and to the ultimate success against the devilish regime our people are enduring. If I wouldn’t agree with your take and approach, you would have seen me to challenge you right here as usual. Your argument makes sense, and if we are sincere enough, I believe it is doable. Hailat keep that line of argument for without planting seeds of trust in to our politics, we can not change the current predicament. Trust me, it is a huge task to change the current discourse to a meaningful and productive engagement, for obvious reason we all know. At least you are influencing the mood of the forum in to the right direction and I salute you for that.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            My take on your current endeaveur is slightly different. Understanding and endorsing your call fully, I would better go for building institutional and professional trusteeship. At this very juncture of time, Eritreans are looking for more trusted institution. Personal trusteeship has led us where we are.

            And institutional trusteeship has two components.

            1. Law
            2. Rule of law.

            With regards

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes, “slightly different” is understatement. Making people to trust, (depand on) an organization is different than trusteeship institution claiming it represent them. That is where Organized opposition went wrong, the horse took off with out its cart. The bottom up movement, the goal of the institution or opposition is based on the demand of the people.
            Amanuel ” Does any Eritrean remember to call the organized opposition if they are facing any problem? Of course not. So, an atmosphere of no trust results in division and the roof collapses into the house (because there are no pillars)”. that is the take home message from HTG. Make the people trust you, support you and advocate their concerns. Don’t go over their head in making policies and deliberations on their behalf. Eritreans don’t give a hoot whether 37 organization came under one roof if it does not address their concern or trust.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            could you elaborate for me

            1. What you mean by “understatement” for my take?

            2. More discussion needed on, “the goal of the institution or opposition is based on the demand of the people.”

            Regards

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear Tes, i undrestand HTG message as, the organized organization failed because it does’t have the support of the people, not because it lacks laws as you stated . So your take and HTG’s message are different.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            That is why then I differed from his take if he meant as you are stating.

            First of all I would like to say that don’t slice the law and make it orphaned. Law, if it has no rule of law, it becomes meaningless. So far, no institution exists in the Eritrean landscape with law and rule of law.

            All the opposition groups we see actually are products of trust and support of the people who stay within their umbrella. The same holds true with PFDJ. Eritreans are failing continuously for trusting each other. We didn’t the habit of developing an institution that we trust on.

            Institution is not physical only for marxists is. In fact, even human being is a matter for them and hence corresponds to physical entity.

            Institution is constructed by people and is run by people. An institution is not above the people. It exists only when there are human beings within it. If not, it will be like that of PFDJ, a non-institutionalized institution constructed based “everyone is matter”.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes, “All the opposition groups we see actually are products of trust and support of the people who stay within their umbrella” if you believe that, you are deceiving yourself, the proof is in the pudding. 37 organizations with their own support group challenging PFDJ, good luck with that. Again, the opposition will come in to agreement as one (not 37)if they adhere to the need of the people. What we have now is egomiacs and i know it all groups claiming to represent Eritreans. It has not worked and never will.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            Ok, since you don’t trust these institutions, you can’t understand what I mean. But believe me, those who are in the umbrella of each opposition camp are there because theyhave a trust. Ok, don’t come with statistical values. This is not my take. Whether they have 1, 2 3, 100, 1000, whatever membership is not the issue. Those individuals are there because they have a trust with whom they are.

            Those in silence, they are out of the point at hand. And who will win them is a different issue. But first and foremost, we need to accept that those opposition groups have trusteed members.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes, i am glad you have trusteed members. Can they move a rock, i doubt that. Find a way to include the mass even if you have to drop one or two policies of your organization to accommodate them. It is worth it. If you don’t do that you will be nothing but groupees of an idea or a person who lead your organization.

          • selam

            Dear Ted
            I think you missed one point sir, that is these 37 will be 38 after a month not 36. These people are rotten potatoes. 15 years and no way to narrow their differences is just madness. Letshope the Eritrean people ask on their own time unless these lairs are wasting our time.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            I didn’t talk about myself. It is on a general trend. Take for example, here at awate.com. Whether we are organized or not, we you are trusteed members of the form and this is by default. Our very basic presence here makes us members of this forum. It is not about for how long we are here or for what ever we advocate for. A simple logic can help you to resolve this algorithm.

            Awate.com is one of the opposition web-sites.
            It has has stayed contrbuting in the forefront exposing and challenging the tyranny regime in Asmara.
            It is has trusteed contributors, readers and commentators. Awate room without her trusteed members is absolutely nothing.

            Hence, all who visit are trusteed opposition members.

            You are one of the readers and commentators and me too.

            Awate.com is a well organized institution that has its own law and observed rule of law.

            Hence, you and me are trusteed members of this room.

            Simple logic 101.

            Don’t go further.

            You may claim some are PFDJ members (like selam, Gheteb Araya, and dawit for example) and can not be trusteed members. The truth is they accepted awate.com is an organized opposition institute and hence they are fighting against.

            This is what I am saying.

            tes

          • Ted

            Tes, with all respect you are way off the line. The university is for all with out a political affiliation whatsoever. My point is try to include more people in to your meetings but first you need to figure out their needs.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            The thing is, it is easy to forget where you are and blame others.

            Just to agree with you and make a response: On the meetings, I don’t figure out their needs. We figure out our needs. I more of an awate attendant than other organizations. If I attend, it is very rare because of impracticability.

            Ted, awate.com is not without a political affiliation. If it is providing a platform then it is because of their democratic mission. You are missing the point here man.

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            Have you ever played chase ? It is a board game. The best strategy is to figure out your opponent’s move( need) . If you can’t guess his moves , definitely he will beat you. You have to apply game theory in politics or business or anywhere you have an opponent or competitor.
            My unsolicited advice.
            This is where your favorite Newton’s 3rd law of motion comes handy.

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            How about the other way round? It is equally true so if they don’t know my move, then I will beat them.

            Still with my Newtonian Application.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes” I don’t figure out their needs. We figure out our needs.” You don’t radiate humbleness when you say this. Humility goes a long way. Have it ever occurred to you” impracticability”, the issue you concluded to be impasse could may have been your inability to compromise. I found you have extreme views for comfort like the assertion PFDJ is Nazi or ISIS may not have sit well with your meeting members. just a thought.
            Awate editors(owners) may have their affiliations but do not intend to promote specific opposition group.Hence the logo: inform, inspire, embolden and reconcile. SJ may have some thing to say.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            Of course reformers will not be in comfort with my stand though I didn’t attend any meetings so far. And if they don’t feel comfort with it, it is because they believe they are part of PFDJ though on different league. With others, my stand is even muc better. At least I am trying to equate PFDJ with established organizations. There are folks who don’t want to recall PFDJ at all because of his extreme actions.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear tes, i don’t see the merit of calling people PFDJ for their divergent interpretation of things. Some day Reform meeting will come to your neck of the woods, i am sure you have something to contribute.

            “There are folks who don’t want to recall PFDJ at all because of his extreme actions” ?

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            There is a difference between calling people PFDJ and calling PFDJ followers. For me PFDJ is a system, an ideology that composed of different entities. Human Resource is one of the components. Within the human resources, there are members on active duty, members on rally duty and just folks who are at the receiving end. Then for which group are talking about?

            Regarding the Reform meetings, yes it is already in my neck. I know it and that is why I am opposing it. I am not simply writing Ted for the sake of writing. I am seriously opposing such moves.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear, Tes, Zeyeterfeka gash si atsebika Seamo. Reform is here knocking your door. It is not time to throw tantrum”i hate reform” , the time is to dissect pros and cons of it ahead of time. Don’t worry the opposition groups/activist has helped in this process, mostly not learn lessons in a hard way. Why do oppose it if you get what you demand?
            I saw what you wrote to HTG, not your best post. I have to ask, What time is it in France;)

          • haileTG

            Dear Ted

            Good discussion points, let me just clarify what I have in mind. People may well support the cause of the organized opposition, but the latter has not engaged the former in bread and butter issues. Hence the irrelevancy. I don’t believe that every average person on the street would hold complex deliberation on point by point bases of the documents that get issued by organization. They just ask what it is all about and if it has nothing to do with their immediate situation, well they simply turn blind eye and deaf ears. If however the people approached sense that what is presented to them has something to do in addressing their immediate concerns, they would engage and then either support them fully or help them to improve and develop their approaches. This has to be done in authentic, verifiable, transparent and measurable manner else the mind might play along pretentiously but the heart won’t have anything to do with it. Remember, the heart never cheats:-)

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            What I agreed with you is when you state, “human being is naturally for good?”

            But let’s take what we have in our political history, that of the revolution period. According to the teachings we were and still are brainwashed is this:

            1. Human Being is naturally greedy. And what he has is through looting.
            2. To make him responsible, we need to guide him.

            First of all, I don’t know who is stating this. Marx, when he was fade-up with exploitation of bourgeois, he stated that and he stood against them. He just elevated to human being and became the accuser forgetting himself. Then, he went for his advocay relentlessly to bring human being under control.

            The same happened during the revolution secretly in the caves of political bureau though the call to the masses had different tone. PFDJ came out from that cave and advocated it openly. Religious leaders arrested in the 1990s were of such victimaization.

            This being my holistic appraoch, I accept your initiation but at the same time I am calling for a wider bottom-up appraoch. Yours being the as a grassroot undertanding.

            Dear HTG, you mentioned Abba Mussie et Dr. Alganesh. These individuals stood for the rights of the people not because their personality but the institution they have built; They both own an institution and they both observe rule of law of their institution. And for both, their basic foundation is “At individual level, human being is good. If he is in problem, it is not his fault but the fault of collective actions. Hence, we need to help those in victims.”

            On the other hand, PFDJ institution stated like this. Those who are in victims are only because of their own fault. Then they state, “why we care on these individuals”.

            Dear you know better than me that unless we care individuals we can not care for the whole. And we have to care about these individuals simply because they are human beings. Whether trust exists or not, we should built the concept of humanity first. To do that we need a trusteed institution.

            tes

            tes

          • haileTG

            Dear tes,

            I totally agree with you on the importance of effectively run institutions in order to realize complex tasks, deliver objectives and maintain and develop systems of transparency and accountability. However, institutions are formed in response to commonly identified needs. In other words, it is the common need that triggers the formation of institutions. And as that need evolves and grows, so does the institution that is founded upon it. Alternatively, if the need dwindles or becomes no longer existent, the institution it was supported by stops rendering service. What we have is a case of the need being the central most important element that is responsible for the life of an institution.

            Let me give you an example. A group of Eritreans in various metropolis in the diaspora identified the need to have churches in areas where they lived. That need brought them together and no sooner found locations rented from their local facilities to congregate and worship, it then moved on to bringing priests to officiate their activities (effectively institutionalizing) and finally moved on to raising enough capital to own their own permanent places (many worth close to $1 – 1.5 million). On top of that they formed board leadership directorates that effectively cut PFDJ hand short from its usual deeds. All this happened in the last decade or less. Most are now coming out wit their properties paid up and with growing capital in savings. The growing financial muscle would undoubtedly help them to control their communities better and meet needs effectively. But remember, it all started with group of people with a common need coming together (faith in this case). There is a mirror success story within the Islamic Eritrean communities too. Only recently we have observed how their institution managed to respond to refugee stranded in the streets of Yemen. And also the many selfless work they do in Sudanese refugee camps. There also other faith based communities from the minority religions growing in that direction. There has also been community formations such as the one in Las Vegas. This was meant to illustrate the fact that the formation and development of institutions is based on people with common need coming together.

            When it comes to Eritrean political situation as a whole, a common need isn’t being identified because the people are not coming together under one roof to discuss how to meet a common as it pertains to the homeland. And as long as such common need is identified, how do you go about setting up an institution? My arguments here is dealing with first step towards what you are suggesting. Because it is true that institutions would be the ultimate route forward. Hence, if the organized opposition bridge the “trust gap” via the “winning hearts” then surely there will be a common need springing out of the interaction that would happen with the people. Such need will trigger the formation of institutions that will meet its goals and effective day-to-day running of which and professional management would be a must in exactly the way you suggest.

            How am I doing here and what is your take?

            Thanks brother

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            I posted an exhaustive response to your point here though it is not coming out. It is on pending status on my disques and hopefully it will float soon.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear HGT, The heart never cheats, i agree. We need to explore the bread and butter issue for Eritreans using the Heart and Mind philosophy to keep us in check. What are this issues dear and near for Eritreans? Understanding of these issue are vital for strong opposition groups, like you said it doesn’t have to be a questionnaire for every Eritreans but it can be done with focus groups balancing different opinion to draft working strategy with the people. These kind of work can easily mobilize the grass root to challenge the Gov including those support the Gov for one reason or another. We have many sticky issues like Soverniety, Sanctions, US and EU policy toward Eritrea….it need to be addressed with genuine heart felt approach.

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            Let’s go on anyway though I don’t understand why you shared with us the quote. Please if it is only for you, keep the note for you. Simple advice from me too. For how long can you keep on advicing. Take advice sometime too.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Tes,
            My comment was to Hailat for my acknowledgement that I agreed with his statement. Do you mean I can’t do that. Don’t be ridiclous enough. Your comment is neither an advice nor relevant to hailat’s idealistic statement. Again be relevant.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hope

      Welcome back HTG!
      –Ms BB already knew about those issues and questions you raised and per my understanding,she was trying to address the other side of the ” Truth”.
      -But she could ask you similar questions though,which you refused to answer before when some of the Forumers here asked you about the other side of the coin or about the role of the external factors,including the Weyane Factor and the issues/factors Ms BB addressed, factually and legitimately.
      -She was trying to balance things like Hope,Mahmoud Saleh,Geteb The Greatest,Peace,Ted,Selam,Nittric et al have tried to do.
      -In fact,she challenged PIA and hit him hard at times where it hurts–both sarcastically and staright to his face….
      -As to her Professionalism,Bio,and experience,please refer to her Bio per Geteb’s Link.
      -As to Hayat’s allegation about BB,the only reason she was turned down by the UN might be coz of her Truthful arguements and unbiased,Transparent and Factual Reports,if at all she was turned down.

      • haileTG

        Hello Hope, Good to see you too! I am not sure what you mean by “balance”?? I thought the way to balance the act of incarcerating some one without due process for over 13 years is to set them free or bring them to justice. The way to balance the trampling of rule of law is by restoring one, the way to balance curtailed civil, economic and political rights is to try to restore them. Balancing isn’t about adding equal measure sweetener to the bitter charges an entity is facing. Anyhow, I don’t think this BB gimmick has any wings to fly (SGJ thinks it isn’t made to fly at all but sink instead:), sink it did. Thanks and good day.

        • Hope

          Thanks HTG!
          I did not either think it was a big deal!
          My point was rather to focus on the negative role of the external factors Ms BB exposed rightfully!
          Volumes have been said about the PFDJ Factor but the other factors playing a big negative role have been ignored deliberately for obvious reasons and Ms BB’s Report becomes a big deal from that perspective!
          Mr Saleh Johar would not be in a position to acknowledge those facts she addressed and I give her credit for doing that’
          -Why did not you condemn along with Saleh Johar the bombing of the Civilan Minkng Center by those ” External Factors”?
          Hope u R not going to tell me that it is due to PIA’s interview with ESAT and Al Shebab’s Terrorist attack in Nairobi!
          -why did you support the Arms Embargo on Eritrea, not the PFDJ, so as to defend herself?
          -Did U also condemn the EU Funding to minimize the Expdus?
          -Can you enlighten us about the negative impact of the Obama and the EU open invitation of the Youth to leave Eritrea?
          Now,I said the negative impacts!

          • haileTG

            Hey Hope, now really and really welcome come back. Since, since you read me out my charges, can you do the same about my right too? Don’t be surprised, but enlightenment doesn’t start with questions you’ve already answered. Regards

          • Hope

            Hailat:
            Nothing personal, and I am not charging or judging you but reminding you about the big issues you are ignoring.
            That is called “Balancing issues” or a ” Balanced Coverage”, if you wish to call it!
            May be your obligations,as you have all your Rights respected-to say whatever you want to say!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,

            I read the following in your comment: “-Why did not you condemn along with Saleh Johar the bombing of the Civilan Minkng Center by those ” External Factors”?”

            Could you please explain to me what “Civilan Minkng [sic] Center” bombing is that I condemned, where and when?

          • Hope

            My Dear One’
            -Apologies again for goofing up things!
            Please read :Minkiiimg as ” Mining”,I.e , the Bisha Gold Minimg Bombing by the TPLF Junta’!
            -I ,rather, said”Why did not you,along with Saleh Johar,condemn the bombing of the Civilian Mining Center by the ” external factors”!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope
            Okay. But where did I condemn the bombing? Did I even acknowledge anything external happened? Please show me that.

          • haileTG

            Hi SGJ,
            Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination. Aren’t you a little late to ask that question long after brother Hope achieved his purpose:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,
            True, Aasha ztekhelo lebbam ney neqlo koynuni negeru. But this is like obsession, bring my name on every occasion. Do you think I should use my Veto power and go crazy here? I am being tempted by Hope 🙂

          • haileTG

            Haha SGJ, I didn’t think one can veto before the motion is tabled. I wish you can come up with something faster than that 🙂

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            I think Hope loves you so much he cannot take his tongue not to utter your name.
            Your veto power, No way on Hope:-)

          • Hope

            Dearest Sem the confused,
            Suk bel,Akatari!Are you looking for a promotion?

          • Hope

            OK Ustaz Saleh:
            My poor English Grammar?
            But there was a negative word saying —why DID NOT you—condemn the Bombing by the weyanes,rather than opting inkililo in your well articulated but biased Investigative Report?

          • Passerby

            Hi Hope,
            Exactly! I tried to help him understand that, but my comments have 50% chance of making it, therefore you can’t see what I said.
            Anyway, I don’t know why Saleh Johar is always laser focused on your comments. It’s an obsession.

          • Saleh Johar

            Passerby,
            Don’t get the Hope bug 🙂

            I don’t respond to Hope at all. But he keeps mentioning my name for no obvious reason. And he is guilty of doing that fora long time. Rumors have legs and when people mention my name without reason, knowing their record, I have to respond. Check the archives if you will. I never commented on Hope except when he mentions my name or spreads unfounded comments about awate.com 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear all,

            I give up. Can anyone explain to me what Hope is saying? Then I am accused for responding to his incoherent comments mentioning my name. Do you understand anything from the above, particularly the question marks? Is he asking me something? Please help.

          • Semere Andom

            Saleh
            Yes. It is not Hope’s fault here. You asked for conciseness, he gets verbose, you ask for clarity Hope gets more obscure. Work on your questions, I say

          • Hope

            Dearest Mr Semre Andom,
            How much do you get paid per hour for this Unique Job?

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Hope:
            What unique job sir?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Semere,
            He want to know how much you are paid so he can chose and join you if yours is higher. Lol.

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar*,

            Haha, remember there are two reasons for going to the Never Land.

            1. When one becomes hopeless because of his own observation

            2. When one is confornted with naughty people and gives-up.

            I am afraid not to miss you from “The school of Fine Thoughts”. Hi, haile TG is around hence it will never be closed.

            Seriously, by now Hope has mastered on how to irritate you. What he mentions every now and then is very predictable.

            Therefore, dear SGJ, since we want you to stay in the grand university, I order for you, some meditiation technics.

            http://www.shinzen.org/Articles/artPain.pdf

            tes

            *Stay focused brother by being far from distructors through acceptance.

          • Hope

            Dear Mr Saleh Johar:

            Clarification:

            “Why DID NOT you condemn the Bombing by the weyanes,rather than opting for an inkililo in your well articulated but biased Investigative Report?”
            This was in ref to your Article/Gedeb News Analysis about the Bisha Mining Missile Bombing by the Weyanes you never dared to challenge,for what ever reason.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,
            That is not my article, it was by Gedab News.

            I have no other solution but not communicate with you. You have a problem focusing and stating your point clearly without confusing it with so many topics–try writing recipes for Eritrean dishes. Thanks

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SGL,
            how much of those accusations was recorded in awate? it has become normal and no questions asked. that is democracy!

          • Abi

            Hope
            You sound brave when you say” woyane junta” while you go there to vacation with your Gondar accent.
            You are really amazing! If I hate a people I will never go to their country and spend my money.
            Yemichoh wusha aynakesim yilal gondere.
            GUREGNA!!!!!!!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abi:
            I know you love Nitricc but he also goes to Gojjam and the rest ofEthiopia for vacation. Dawit said he is Ethiopian and was one before Ethiopias knew they were Ethiopians. You have Ted who lived, got educated in Ethiopia and said that milking stuff and now Hope. Can you see the pattern here?

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, your sins are boundless. First you cozy up with Weyane to XXXXXXXX our country, Second, you encouraged the most hateful person, Abi(the fake Gondera) to entertain on our misery and kick us when we are down. I know you don’t have respect for Eritrean people, try to salvage some for yourself.
            We are filling petition for your amnesty when reforming the GOV take place, so far you got two, can you guess who?;)
            Please tell Abi, the new rule, he is not allowed to insult us if he doesn’t go to our country and spend some money.

          • Abi

            Ted
            Look who is talking? A butcher from qera who slaughtered the cow he was milking.

          • Ted

            Dear Abi, the fake one, When we left the cow was fine, you were liberated, What happened? Your TPLF must have killed it with excessive milking.

          • Abi

            Ted, the wise man
            Actually you wished the cow to be ” yemender qircha” ( nine pieces) . Your wish didn’t come true. The calves came together to revive their mother. They said no more to be a cow. They changed her to a lioness. She is ROARING loud and clear. She is able to climb a “PINE” tree to look for her cubs.
            She is changing the milk to butter, her waters to fire giving light to everyone. Hope is in the air………..
            Abay molto Tana molto esat esat sitefa
            Yilemelmal yeEmamye tesfa.
            Abo bizu atanagregn Nitiric selchtognal.
            Yedawitn mezmur bademT yishalegnal
            YeIsayasin tinbit afer agbchalehu
            Hope yelelachewun min adergalehu?
            Tewodros jegna neber and lenatu
            Simun yekorejut honew qeru kentu!

          • Semere Andom

            Ted.the self crowned judge:
            Me cozying up with Weyane. Lies, Lies.
            But if I called your lies and hypocrisy, you get mad, say sorry and move on. I do not care about Abi’s fake identity and there is no way for me to tell, maybe you can tell because you know how real Gondere behave. My debates with Abi are public in this forum
            Dream, Dream, just like your desire to milk the 90 million cows has evaporated, this reform PFDJ fantasy will evaporate one day.
            Getting amnesty from any version of PFDJ is easy, you go and bow and I am not willing to do that and I am not afraid because my land, my house, my family in Eritrea will be there when PFDJ is weeded out, because the land and house were not stolen from their owners and no one will deport my family for milking the 5 million camels, You keep the petition for dawit and yourself

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            Don’t worry about the Gondar thing . It is insignificant.
            Question for you.
            Evaporated cow milk is called carnation. What do you call it if it is camel milk.
            Ted , enjoy your carnation! I enjoy the milk , the butter, the yogurt, the cheese . I will send you some arera if you behave.
            Better get used to enjoying the arera.

          • destaa

            Dear Abi,
            Aren’t there many people who hate western countries (may be because of the racism or other reasons) but still prefer to live there? And for me Hope’s visit is no different than this.

          • Abi

            Hi destaa
            Sometimes you don’t have options as to where to live like work permit and asylum issues or medical or family issues.
            Vacation is optional. You choose where to spend your time , financial and material resources. When I go for vacation, I choose a place where I can get maximum physical and mental pleasure. I don’t go to a place where I hate the people .
            In case you don’t know, mr Hope was a spy while he lived in ethiopia. ( he told us proudly ) he told us he ” did the deed” ( his exact words. ) He even told us his uncle was a spy in addis at the time of the border war pretending as an Arab business man. This guy hates ethiopia . His hate is deeper than an ocean. He was educated in ethiopia. Ethiopia gave him everything she possibly could. Why is he vacations in ethiopia now ? What is he doing there? Whether he is bluffing or not, one thing is clear. His hate to ethiopia.

          • Hope

            Yegurregnoch Gurregna!
            Essepawoch botta yelachewim here in the very forum,the Awate land ,where the Awates decimated that Genocidal derghi.I “hate’ those rifraf derghi remnants!
            Be respectful and acknowledge that the Awate people have saved you and your people…if not,appreciate them.
            There is nothing and there will be none but Keren,the msot comfortable place under the SUN,if you are talking about Comfort!
            But again,I am proud to contribute my part as an Alumini of the GCMS,the Bush that produced the best MDs,Health Officers,etc—
            I am “wasting” my money for Good…..not for the Bahir Dar or Soderie or Awash Resorts as you might think.I don’t go for a partime “Prostitution.”.coz AIDS/HIV Infection rate is more than 10% ,your Addis,the Heart of the Porstitution,per the USA Emabssy Report!
            Let me repeat for you:
            As Amb Ghirmay Asmerom told your dead Boss,I am more proud Ethiopian than you are,way beyond your Gurra filled ethiopianism!
            Capito signor!

        • Hope

          Balance: Addressing all issues equally that have affected Eritrea over all!
          As simple as that!

          • haileTG

            Hi and No, that is actually called Coverage (however twisted it may be) 🙂

          • Hope

            Addressing =Includes IDing and tackling the problems comprehensively and thereby seeking for comprehensive solutions!

  • Haile WM

    Bronwyn Bruton who ??

    do i need this nullity to tell me what’s going on on my house ? I think not. Only the gullible idiots or regime scams can rejoice of another “thomas mountain” type of idiot. The gullible might believe eritrea is heaven as, finally, we have another narrative, a positive one that is… I only wonder why these imbeciles don’t pack and go home? they have a different narrative !

  • Ambassador

    Hi all,
    The ravening vultures are now hovering over Eritrea. Last year, it was Cohen and Woods Inc., and this year it is the Atlantic Council. Just wondering how much of that $1B collected through mining revenue is going to be used to buy those vultures. Whatever the dictator has thought is saved through “partnership” is now going to lobbyists that cry wolf for Eritrea. This is the kind of dictator we were told is intelligent who knows the intricacies (and tricks) of the exploitative global capitalism (ንኣሜሪካ ኣጸቢቑ ‘ንዲዩ ዝግጥመን). He can’t even see it….. Last year, it was “bringing Eritrea in from the cold”, and this year it is all about understanding it. Haha, the coincidence made me think that mining is giving us chills and complicated personality….

  • selam

    Dear forumers
    It is nice to mix local languages but to do it continuesly isnot fair to most readers , i mean like amharic should be written only on awramba times . , look at Abi posts most of them are in amharic and it is difficult to guess why he keep doing such . I know amharic understood by many but it should be used rarely . When we discuse Eritrean issues it should be done by english or Arabic or may be Tigrina not Amharic.

    • Abi

      Hi Selam
      Amharic is used at awate ” light” at the back room. You should stay in the main hall where important ideas being discussed . trust me you are not missing a thing.
      Selam , I suggest you learn Amharic ASAP. Since we are going to takeover eritrea it becomes handy( mouthy ) to you.
      It looks like you are not sure of Tigrinya as a medium of communication here . But, you are sure of Arabic.
      You advocate for Arabic, i advocate for Amharic.
      Erasen berase begeza milase kalanqolaPelaTeskut man yanQolaPelaTisilignal ?
      Say this three times and you are done with Amharic 101.
      Register for summer course at Awate University, dept of foreign languages. You can call or register online. The course will be given online at your convenience.
      ( I’m still in the back room . You see what I mean?
      Yeqenyeley.

      • selam

        Dear Abi
        It would be nice for us to read your poem , what ever it is. I mean it make easy for your brilliance to go around. Nothing negative about amharic. As for the taking over yes I can seee that you have people like berhe, teweldino who are begging for more dergi, nothing new . The facts remain to be lazy , amusing to know eritreans rejected Amharic. It would have been easy to make amharic a national language from 1952 -1991. I can see you did not read our aspirations for our own .

        • Abi

          Selam
          You are very kind indeed. Sometimes something better said in Amharic or Tigrigna. For example I said to dawit
          “YeAbraham abat esu min tesnot
          Birhanu kebet dawit afeworku kedej eyalelet ”
          Honestly I don’t know how to say this in English . I hope Fanti will come for the rescue.
          Kim , stay away.
          Teweldino, are you around?

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I am only interested in the idioms of Amharica & tigrina if you have ,Please translate them to English , just knowledge transfer.

          • teweldino

            Hi Abi,

            I remember KH (or FG) was asking for an exemption clause if translating a saying would result in losing its intended meaning by over 50%. I don’t know what the guys upstairs think about the proposal but I want to second it. Let me try to translate your poem into Tigrigna.

            ኣቦ ኣብራሃም’ሞ እንታይ ክሰኣኖ’ሉ
            ብውሽጢ ብርሃኑ፤ ብደገ ወርቂ ኣፉ ዳዊት ከለዉሉ

            By the way, if Amharic 101 is two over to letter words in one sentence, I wander what Amharic 402 would be!

            Actually, I have one pub quiz trivia question for everyone who enjoys “Awate – Light” or wants a break from serious discussions upstairs:

            What is the longest word in Amharic or Tigrigna?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello teweldino,
            It was me with the 50%, because KH dismembered a very nice word like “Tesfa.”
            I am so impressed with your translation above that I herby ordain you Sir Teweldino of the lost tribes of Amhara!

          • teweldino

            Hi Fanti,

            Lol @ lost tribes of Amhara.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            The lost tribe is funny. I got a better one . Back in 1991, we used to say
            Zendro ende Tigre deretun yenefa, ende Oromo yedenefa, ende Amhara angetun yedefa yelem.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi, teweldino,
            I once won an entire political argument with my Amhara friends with “t’gezu endehon arfachuh tegezu, terachin naw.” We weren’t getting anywhere, and I wanted to surprise them. It worked. we couldn’t stop laughing because someone successively kept adding something to it like “minew hulum TPLFoch indanchi haQegna bihonu!” and “beqa endezih haqun bitnegrun eko anTalam neber.” and so on.

            sir teweldino,
            Why are you driving my virtual daughter Selam crazy with your Dergi mergi stuff? Her mind works too fast, and she hates Dergi. so, whenever you sense that she is angry give her a moment to cool down. It is usually temporary spark. I got this text from my better half today. “keTifatu yemaimar fenj-amkagn bicha naw.” She said she saw it inside a taxicab in Addis. It is karma.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti,
            .
            Did you notice I was as quite as a church mice when Abi came in with a translation request again. He didn’t even have to ask.
            .
            Fanti, you are inadvertently setting up the good guy teweldino as a dart board target practice for Nitricc and associates. Once he sees teweldino he wont pay attention to anybody else. Wait a minute, I come to think of it Nitricc does not target Amharas anymore. Zem inbel.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Kim,
            I know you are handling this one very well. I also saw your “Translation please, for those of US that are Amharic challenged” I thought it was hilarious. Nitric has been reserved these days. I think he is changing methods lately.

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            Don’t worry about Teweldino. He is too sharp. He can handle anyone. I don’t want to mess with him.

          • Abi

            Hey, Teweldino
            I don’t have access to Ge’ez right now. But let me give you mine and compare it yourself.
            Hint:
            Abraham — IA’s son
            Birhane– IA’s son
            Abat– IA himself
            Dawit afeworku– IA’s mouthpiece / smooth
            So IA is covered inside by his sons and outside by dawit. He can do anything.

          • teweldino

            Hi Abi,

            If you are using a tablet / iphone, please download “Puffin free” app to read Ge’ez alphabets. I missed Birhane – IA’s son. I thought you were talking about Birhanu. Actually, Birhane is not the kind of son who’d cover IA. He was recently caught while escaping to Ethiopia with his 3 friends.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi teweldino:
            I heard the story but how true is it, why would the son of the owner of the country escape instead of leaving legally?

          • dawit

            Because Eritrea is the land of the people and law !
            No body is above the people and the law

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Dawit: proper salutation please, it is the law here and cus you are law abiding citizen of m any countries, I just remind you
            Lies can also be passed through genes. So keep in mind that when you do it lest you pass it and someone gets accountable for things non of their own.
            So are you confirming the rumor of Berhane Isaias’s escape attempt?

          • dawit

            Dear Kbur Goitana Semere,
            Sorry for violating the salutation law of Awate. My mistake. I hope this will compensate. I did not know you are promoted to be the head of the Salutation police guard at AT. Thanks for your scientific enquiry and confirmation that Lies can be inherited through genes. I think you deserve a Noble Prize. Which parent gave you the gene to become the Super Liar her at AT? About Berhane you brought the rumor and you want me to confirm? Poor Semere, why don’t you go and ask the confirmation from those who fed you the rumor?

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Kbur Aqqettay dawit;
            Thanks for correcting your mistake for violating, it is refreshing. Make it a habit.
            I was just telling you that do not tell lies about Eritrea being land of laws because your kids will be liars too. There is no one comment that you have offered that is not laced or spiked by lies. So tell use how are you going to protect your off springs from becoming liars like you and dictator worshipers?

          • teweldino

            Hi Semere,

            We can’t assume all children of the government’s high officials are happy how their fathers are running the country. Besides, a guy who enslaves generations of youth would not grant freedom to his children and allow them to freely leave the country without his permission.

          • Abi

            Hi Teweldino
            Can we call him ” yeTefaw begg?” Like in the bible? Read Luke 15:13-24
            Some things in eritrea are biblical proportion.

          • teweldino

            Hi Abi,

            I didn’t find a lot of similarity between the bible’s Prodigal Son (verse 13-24) and our Birhane. The prodigal son returned to his father after wasting his fortunes where he was welcomed by his forgiving father. Our Birhane was captured from escaping his father’s “kingdom”.

            If you are referring to the Lost Sheep in verse 3 to 7 (same chapter), our “father” IA is not such loving dad who would rejoice over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. Look at what he is doing to his colleagues and best friends for over half of his life. He is very vengeful and unforgiving.

          • Abi

            Hi Teweldino
            I was trying to show the similarities between the two sons of kings. One escaped, the other was let go. But , both were back for different reason.Talk about ” werash yaTa fiqir ”
            Regarding IA, I don’t think he really cares about eritreans. He is rather more interested in ethiopian affairs. His heart is in ethiopia.
            Zoro zoro kebet.
            Teweldino, I’m glad you are not my 8th grade Amharic memhir ( memiru ). By now my behind would be burning for messing up in my biblical quotation.
            I already know not to mess with you.

          • teweldino

            Hi Abi,

            I like “werash yaTa fkir”. I actually like your Memiru. A whole year or Qinnie and proverbs! I wouldn’t mind his dulla.

          • Abi

            Teweldino
            BeMemiru alenga qiTe alqo suriyen yiZe neber yemasneTisew endaywelqibign.
            Seriously, it will cut your skin. You bleed.

          • Selam Abi,
            It seems that you were not as practical as we were as elementary school boys. When we were sure that we would face some sort of qiTat, because we did not do our homework or we had a teacher who went easy on the beating, we would wear an old exercise book under our pants. The biggest problem was with our hands, which we usual hid behind our backs. The secret armor we wore helped to ameliorate the pain, but it was not
            always successful, for sometimes, our teachers understood what we had done, and we would face some extra beating for that. Those were the days when innocent people inhabited this world.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            I hear you Sir. Only one problem. I didn’t go to school with the Flintstones like you did. I used to wear two jeans every Monday unless it is a major “Tabot” day. He never come on those days.
            Every time I see a commercial advertising ” depend” I remember him. I would have used couple of them. It has multipurpose. Less pain and you know the other. One day he made the biggest mistake of his life. He beat one of the girls. She run straight to the doctor’s office and called her father. Guess who came right away? One of the highest derg officials. We have never seen him before except on tv. She was always picked up from the school by her mother and a uniformed man whom we thought was her father. It was a relief for all of us . He stopped the beating. I believe they showed him how it hurts .

          • dawit

            Dear Abi;

            ትንቢተ ኢሳያስ ካላነበብክ፡
            መዝሙረ ዳዊትን ካልደገምክ፡
            ኣር ለመሆኑ በምን ተዓምር ነው፡
            ጦብያዊ ነኝ ብለህ የምትፎክረው።

            ከልሳነ ዳዊት (ኣፈወርቁ)

          • Abi

            Hi dawit
            Yedawitn mezmur kante emaralehu,
            Yeisayas tinbit yiqrbign biyalehu.
            Lerasu yemayawq yeTenquay serawit
            Beyeteraraw lay arfo endemegzat
            Ketema wusT gebto maTAfyaw aTerebet
            Dawit bizemir beAmlak temerto new
            YeIsayas qiZet keyet yemeTa new?
            Dagim endaytegna
            Neqto endiqoy
            Berbere enTenew,
            Hule endiyasneTsew.

          • Abi

            Hi Teweldino
            Amharic 402 is not street legal. It is used strictly at Waldiba Gedam somewhere in Gojam.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Abi,

            Obviously, you have never traveled to the land of your ancestors. Waldiba Gedam is not in Gojam. It is somewhere between northern Gonder and Tigray.

          • Dayphi

            Hi teweldino….The longest word printed in the Imperial Ethiopian Ministry Of Education And Fine Arts books was SHOKOLOKOBANGOSHAY. Is anyone here old enough to remember that word?

          • teweldino

            Hi Dayphi,

            What does that word mean? But it is still one letter less than Abi’s 11 letter word in the above post.

            I have one 11 letter Tigrigna word ዘይተዓጻጻፊነትኩም / zeteAtsatsafinetkum. Let’s see if anyone can beat that.

            By the way, if you don’t have Ge’ez fonts in your computer / tablet, you
            can easy type Ge’ez in the following site then copy and paste it here (google lexilogos dot com then select Tigrigna / Amharic alphabets – disqus would not let post the site)

          • teweldino

            Hi Everyone,

            I found another 14 letter tigirigna word – ዘይሕገመንግስታዊነትኩም zeyHghemengstawinetkum. I don’t think anyone can beat me before Sal & Sem Abstinence Club officially dissolves in June 14. In case you wonder what I am doing – I’m playing a game of finding the longest Tigrigna word (which nobody wants to join me 🙁 Now that the bar has been raised to 14 letter word, I don’t think many will join me.

          • saay7

            Hey Teweldino:

            I don’t have any entries for the longest tigrinya word, but when we are running a contest for the most perfect Tigrinya sentence, I will provide my entry. Hint: it was uttered by the late Seyoum O/Michael in the 1970s. Before you were born:)

            saay

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            Let’s turn this game into the most perfect Tigrigna sentence

            contest. I’m actually eager to know what he said. Uncle google has helped me find your long interview with him in 2001. I remember seeing his pictures at meskerem when they were an opposition website. I can’t believe he’s been dead for 10 years. Please share with us what the most perfect sentence is?

        • teweldino

          Hi Selam,

          Begging for more dergi?
          Are you forgetting that more dergi = PFDJ
          And if we were PFDJ, we would be posting as selam2 and selam3.

          Btw, how did you manage to use selam instead of the new selam1?

          • selam

            Dear Teweldino
            You want to use the same rules from dergi time to tell people , what they call themselves. Seriously you have said dergi was better than PFDJ not even equal.Well it has nothing to do with my view that dergiis murderer , well you also found one person extra. Here we go again, oh no.i would like to stop this here. Just by saying Dergi is evil and any one who love to say dergi was nice is , evil. Now i rest my case. Do not reply to me. Oh Dergi after 23 years what ever it is , you have funs in Eritrea.what a surprising event.

            when i blaim PFDJ i blaim them for things they did not do and for things they do but not for Genocides.
            I repeat PFDJ is a recognized government in Eritrea and you are calling yourself eritrean . To debate about policy and also about the lost aspiration of Eritreans is quite different than mashing with dergi. I have stoped blaiming people for so many years but i do work to change what is present. Blaiming for so much is not going to help you get your loved dergi policy. I can see you missed dergi and even berhe is getting help from Abi , who is known to grow in addis abeba high garden at the time of dergi in which he has very small recollections of dergi evil job. I would have choosen Hailesilasie for his work on education merly to the ethiopian people not to eritrean people. I really do admire his take on education no more. I will never ever compare Genociders to the current situation .

          • teweldino

            Hi Selam,

            I don’t understand why you’re getting worked up about this established fact. You said sometime ago you live in Asmara. Ask your relatives if they disagree with the statement.

            By the way, when you said: ” I would have choosen Hailesilasie”, do you mean over dergi or over PFDJ? (not that it matters because what we want is a government that puts Eritrean people first – which none of the above are capable of doing).

          • selam

            Dear Teweldino
            From your successive comments i can understand that , the dergi sirnay neber is making you rain like summer (kiremti) i am lucky i am not around you. You could have washed my face with your tiftaf plus the terrible smell caming from your mouth lol jud take is as a humor. Now, first you are making false assumptions, secoond you will be called a lair if there was a judge from the Eritrean people, third you are way stupid than i thought too. Facts what facts do you know Mishkinay teweldino.

            I repeat again Dergi , the murderer is no match to any one , take that .it is a fact that dergi is a Genocider. You want him go to ZIMBABWE. About your choice like the 3,4 and a billion. Oh man who in his right mind will ask you to choose between 3,4 and million or billion. Dergi is a billion times Genocider no match.

            Now a call from my humble heart , you teweldino would be an asset to the fight against PFDJ than to be a liability like the TAWULA , megesem from paris who call himself Alpha.

            please do not let me reply to you again .

          • teweldino

            Hi Selam,

            This conversation is not getting anywhere. So lets stop it.

          • selam

            Teweldino agreed. That is way way better. Lebam mebaesti kemzi eyu zigebir.

          • teweldino

            Hi Selam,

            You are becoming stupider and stupider by the minute.
            Stating facts plainly does not mean choosing them. For example, saying:
            “$3 is greater than $4” does not mean I chose 3. No! If I have to chose,
            I chose a million bucks! So, when I state a simple undisputed fact that
            PFDJ is worse that derg, it does not mean I chose dergi. I was just
            making a factual statement. So, I don’t want you say you chose this and
            that!

            Also, if I say: “polio is worse than meningitis”, does it mean I chose meningitis? Or does it mean I miss meningitis?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Selam
            Here is the definition of genocide
            “The systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group”
            And PFDJ fits that, It has systematically and deliberately exterminated racial, political and cultural groups. Let me know if u need help with example from each

          • selam

            Dear semere
            You said you do not have a child , so why are you here telling me from things i can access. You want talk about Dergi eneho feres enho meda. You want to make dergi an angel , on that i will not let you ride.Just wash your feet and run to bed. You can not protect dergi from the word GENOCIDER.
            CALL ANY ONE REFER ANY DEFINITION , DERGI IS A GENOCIDER. If you do not understand i am not capable of building history department in your head with a good dean.You are way spoiled with too much begging to weyane. Oh i forgot to ask sir , how is the dealing going on some where in Tigrai. Of course i am asking to your associates
            Please refer how we close this issue with teweldino.

          • Semere Andom

            selam
            when did u see me say dergi is not genocidal, I just said PFDJ is genocidal.
            Please stop saying things that are true, I just want to be polite and do not want to use the L word on you.

          • selam

            Dear semere
            I did not ask you to tell me the definition , you just come with out invitation. WETAM is the perfect word for you.
            Now , you do not want to use the L word , but you already did sir. How about i change the L word to H word , of course H is being used in Tigrina , J in arabic. You semere are all these in the same definition. You are born H and L . Just go arrange conferences sir it is almost 16 years now . You have a great experience. Do not try things that are not prescribed for you. It may not kill you but it will take you halfway of the journey.

          • Fenomeno

            Same could be said for many other governments (e.g. Ethiopia, Turkey and Saudj Arabia). Do you consider all these governments genocidal?

            It is nice to copy-paste such a definition, but it has no value, as the idea of genocide that is maintained by those international institutions that have the ability to sentence is not so simple.

          • Semere Andom

            Fenomeno:
            Here we go again
            She was saying that Dergi was genocidal and should not be compared to PFDJ and I was telling her and telling u now that PFDJ does not fair better, it too is genocidal according to the definition of th word
            Yea if I want I can bring many examples of genoicidal countries and leaders from history and present, that was not the point
            But as teweldino told selam, it is futile , this exchange is not going no where. It is “tewedeb”, so I hope you get what I am saying

  • selam

    Dear passer by
    It tells you both are the same , they never intende to give power to the people. Meles has ruled ethiopia until his death and luckily IA is not yet dead .These two groups are the same .

  • Nakfa

    Awate, it was your brother and Trojan Horse of Eritrea, known by the name Ali Abdu, who cultivated the culture of reporting “every movement of the president, even when he makes an insignificant trip to the countryside”. Now he is gone for good, that culture has also gone. The president likes to be low profile.

    • selam

      Dear Nakfa
      are you non Eritrean with Eritrean name ? Think about the word brother ! What does it mean ?. By the way i personally is waiting for all the ministers to do the same as Ali Abdu did. There is nothing idiot than serving to a cruel human being.

  • Abi

    dawit
    YeAbraham abat esu min tesnot
    Birhanu kebet , dawit kedej alelet.
    Try to beat this.

    • Abi

      dawit, my apologies. I messed up. Disregard the top comment. Here is the corrected one.
      YeAbraham abat esu min tesnot
      Birhanu kebet , dawit afeworku kedej eyalelet

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi,
        .
        A minor correction, actually a major grammar correction. The last word must be “eyalulet” in plural. I think I rehabilitated myself in the face of Fanti’s doubt. However, I don’t want you to think this is a challenge, I would not dare.
        .
        K.H

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Kim,
          You have redeemed yourself fair and square! Abi ke “andandem Waldiba yezefenal” besteQer lela minim neger malet aychilim.

  • Abi

    dawit
    Sitfelig beAmara siyashahim beTigre
    Afen eko asyazkegn talaqun gondere!
    dawit, next time read between lines . I wrote
    ” undeserved candidness ” instead of “unreserved kindness” and you missed it. The whole point of the article was IA’s secretive behavior.
    Score
    Abi 2
    dawit 1
    I have an away goal advantage since this is your home field.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Afewerki Departed Saudi Arabia On 4/29/15 and Expected To Meet Egyptian FM on 5/7/15

    http://www.spa.gov.sa/details.php?id=1355365

    الرياض 10 رجب
    1436 هـ الموافق 29 إبريل 2015 م واس
    غادر فخامة الرئيس أسياس أفورقي رئيس دولة
    أريتريا الرياض اليوم بعد زيارة للمملكة.
    وكان في وداعه بمطار قاعدة الرياض
    الجوية صاحب السمو الملكي الأمير محمد بن سلمان بن عبدالعزيز ولي ولي العهد النائب
    الثاني لرئيس مجلس الوزراء وزير الدفاع، ومعالي وزير الثقافة والإعلام الدكتور عادل
    بن زيد الطريفي الوزير المرافق، ومعالي رئيس هيئة الأركان العامة الفريق ركن
    عبدالرحمن بن صالح البنيان، وعدد من المسؤولين.
    // انتهى //

    Egyptian Foreign Minister expected to hold talks with President Isaias Afwerki on 5/7/15?

    http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news/19755-egyptian-foreign-minister-arrives-here-on-a-working-visit-

    • Amanuel

      Hi the main issue is not whether he left SA. Considering his dominance of the local government owned media as big as visiting SA should have been a head line news. But it didn’t happen. Why?

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Amanuel,

        ” Worse, Saudi media outlets reported that Isaias’ two-day visit ended on Wednesday but none of them reported his departure to his country. Diplomatic protocol requires a farewell ceremony where a gust of honor is seen off by his host, or his representative, and where the guest ascends to the airplane, stops at the door waving his hand and smiles from ear to ear, and on television all that is shown with some stale background music.”

        This was taken from the article on top of this page. I guess, you didn’t read it and I suggest you read that and what I have already written on my earlier post. You may find the answers to your questions, if you are indeed looking for answers.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Gheteb
          Yes, I read it. Even though what you quoted above is true but a big part of the article was devoted to the issue I raised, I, e, why his visit was not reported on the local media? You don’t have a duty to answer the issue I raised for that matter but I noticed that you were beating around the bush avoiding the heart of the article.
          have a nice day.

          • Dayphi

            Merhaba Amanuel… One thing it seems that we all overlooking is whether there was electric power available in April 28-29. That could be a possible reason for not reporting the protocol of the deaprture and return. A couple weeks ago, brother T.T. reported here that there was no power between 1 pm and 9 pm in Asmara at least in the neighborhood he spent his vacation if not all/majority of the city. My other sources also confirmed to me that people are walking Komishtato in the night with flash lights due to power shortage and rampant pot holes. Pot holes in Komishtato, the renamed meticulous street after Emperor Haile Sellassie when i used to live in Eritrea? Eeeeeeh ! Asmara kilte shab tera’ekhi! Al-Amin Abdal-Lateef owe the city a new lamentation, DeHan Kuni Komistato…. song.

          • teweldino

            Hi Dayphi,

            Very funny. ብሽምዓ ጌሮም ዜና ዘየምቡቡሎም፧ The can learn from the news reader in this video below. But WARNING : Please fast forward the bit between 0:50 to 1:47 which has certificate 18 classification – not suitable for a gentleman of your calibre.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYadkpbnVN0

          • Dayphi

            hahaha ya teweldino. That was funny, and i never thought of candle operated tv station, or tv set for the matter. They probably didnt think of it either. I hope they take notice of your advice for future similar situations. It can save them the embarrasement or worse, ato esayas’ wrath.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear teweldino,

            Lol, new invention –ነብሰ ምርኮሳ ኣብተግባር ንምውዓል ዝተወጠነ ዕውት ስራሕ — ንድሕሪት ምምራሽ

            ግን እቲ ክልተ ካብ ሚእቲ ኣበይ ኣተው ?

            https://www.facebook.com/kokhob.selam/videos/373872572799979/?pnref=story

          • teweldino

            Hi KS,

            Dehando? I could not see the video you uploaded. Just wonders if I am missing something very funny.

          • Kokhob Selam

            ሊላይ ሊላይ ተወልዲኖ ::

            there must be some reason… but I can see it from my computer. I will try to put the link so you can see it from other site.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear teweldino,
            how about now? can you see it?

          • teweldino

            Hi KS,

            Yes thanks

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,

            I wasn’t beating around the bush. I am the only one here who took a different tack from the whole thrust of the article by Awate Staff and I have provided relevant facts and analysis to countenance my views.

            That is what you and your ilks lack, but it is your MO to throw hurdles if an exchange in a certain thread is running against your way of thinking, either by giving superfluous advices or posing unrelated queries in the hope of derailing the pace/trend of an exchange.

            Someone told me that in the late 70s, 1977-1978, these were the tactics used by the Falul activists in the ELF in their destructive activities which ultimately led to the demise of Jebha (ELF). I think you are still using similar tactics. Well, as they say “Amel Mis Megnez::”

          • Amanuel

            Hi Gheteb

            My name is Amanuel but I was not in ELF and only know ELF and Falul in history. Even i was not school age when ELF was around (in Eritrea). I think you have another Amanuel in mind. You need to slow down brother.

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    The Sudanese artist Ibrahim Kashif (RIP) is remembered for being the first in deflecting when responding to a question from a journalist. This journalist, having come to understand that Ibrahim Kashif did write or read, asked the following question: “Ya Ibrahim, if you don’t read and write, how do you memorize your songs?” Ibrahim replied, “Well, I am not the only one, Isha Filatia is also like me.”

    Ever since the historic Kashif’s deflection approach, the Sudanese and British public figures resorted to and applied Kashif’s style, if they wanted not to answer questions from journalists. They even perfected in the approach by learning how and when to deflect questions. With time; however, to meet a country’s statutory transparency requirements, all government officials are resorting to a different way of deflecting questions with exception that of Isayas and his officials, who are stuck in the way Ibrahim Kashif deflected the question.

    It is not them (the officials); it is him (Isayas) who is making the officials to follow the Kashif’s approach. Should the officials deflect in their answering a question, they may divulge Isayas’s dirty laundries or secrets. Thus, it is found that Kashif’s approach will always leave them with only one option, i.e., to keep saying that, ”we are not the only ones, America also does it.”

    As we all know, Eritrea of Isayas does not foster transparency in its media. The officials are not empowered to convey a clear picture in their responses to questions from journalists or the public. As a result, Eritreans do not know whether their country is progressing or is in setbacks and the “whatever” is compelling them to practice and follow in all get-togethers to only come to dance rather than to listen and ask questions about what’s going on in their country and what is happening to their people. Just dance and don’t ask if you want to visit home – is the secret that Bronwyn Bruton discovered.

    Indeed, the self-reliance of Isayas totally stopped time in Eritrea, unlike Isayas’s and the Isayasists claim that the country is being in motion at a turtle’s speed. But one thing is for sure, Isayas may be using the turtle’s shell to hide his head not to be located whenever journalists are looking for him. And as a serpent, who did what he did to the Eritrean youth, Isayas has to hide his head in the coils of the serpent to defend himself from rages and angers of his victims.

  • Goytom

    i think you should add a picture of isaias, he also massacred Eritreans. make it a quartet instead of a trio.

  • Nitricc

    I wonder who is mad man. why don’t you tell us what Ms. Bruton said wrong. you are just parroting ignorantly. tell me what she said is not true? I hate ignorant people.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi keyhksad,

    You made it sound as if I praised the congress. I didn’t. Leaders are well informed and they have instutions that provide them with refined intelligence. I cannot say Isaias is not informed. He has access to high level information. But leaders can use their knowledge for good or bad. That doesn’t negate they are informed. Having information doesn’t follow good decision or character. One can be very informed buy yet cruel, crass, selfish and brutal. That is what many politicians are.

    The second part of your comment about force is interesting. I wish you could expand on it.

    Thank you

  • Eyob Medhane

    Passerby,

    Tedros is the third person in that position..Hailemariam Desalegn is second person 2010-2012…

    • Abi

      Erswo alu ende ?
      Antena kiristos memchachihu aytaweqim. Tezegajito meTebeq new.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi,
        .
        Translation please, for those of US that are Amharic challenged.
        .
        K.H

        • Abi

          Hi Kim
          You don’t speak French, huh? Where is Tes?

          • tes

            Hi Abi,

            Here I am. What is up?

            tes

      • Eyob Medhane

        Abiye,

        Ha ha…. 🙂 Alehu…I was just pretty angry and down about what happened in Libya I just decided to stay away for a bit while. I did not want to be provoked by you know who(s)..and say wrong things…so, I went for..”..Zim Ayneqzim..”… 🙂

        • Abi

          Eyobe
          Chewata melkam new eskegizew dires
          Siyafeqru new enji keTelu alemedres.
          Meet me at awate ” light” where there is only Selam , tesfa and laughter reside. Bring your own coffee.

  • Saleh Johar

    Dear dawit,
    My bad. I apologize for not using proper salutation.

  • Michael

    Dear awate readers
    I think one of the reasons that some despots like the one in Eritrea continues to pursue an oppressive policy toward their own people is the lack of honesty and integrity from few but dangerous individuals like Ms Bruton. Almost everything this selfish woman was saying on that conference with VOA English was directly provided to her by the regime in Eritrea. She didn’t even say she had done her own independent research about the country and the regime she was talking about. That is why I would consider her to be more xxxxxx than analyst. She was granted unprecedented privilege by the regime to make a sort of movie that can be bought only by members of the regime. She was trying to justify the complete absence of all forms of freedom in the country and the Ethiopia occupation of small margin of land and sanctions. This is the most preposterous and tendentious analogy I have ever heard outside the members of that clique and its leader. Actually, she knew what she was talking about was not true, she was just playing the devil’s advocate.
    Now, I believe AT or other intellectuals around can challenge her bogus analysis and coverage on Eritrea in a professional and intelligent way to make sure that other reckless individuals are discouraged from being used by the regime as propaganda tool in the future.

  • dawit

    Dear gumruk,
    Like I said if you are an Eritrean and have Eritrean ID you are free to go Eritrea, even if you don’t pay your 2% tax obligation. If you don’t carry Eritrean ID because you hated PIA, that is your personal problem, but still you can get your visa at Eritrean embassy where ever you live. Funny you brought ‘color of your eyes’ famous phrase from PMZ line. If you committed treason against Eritrea, you are not allowed to visit alive or be buried when you are dead. Waite and pray until PFDJ is done with Eritrea, then you can visit live or transport you dead body to Eritrea.
    regards.

    • Saleh Johar

      dawit,

      How would it feel to be a member of a small group of Eritreans who consider a big chunk of their compatriots sellouts and traitors? Do you and people like you have so much low esteem of Eritrea that you consider the great country has only a handful of patriots and the rest are traitors who do not love their country? What country would Eritrea be if half its population are sellouts? Please, insult individuals as much as you can, as much as your decency allows, but don’t make Eritrea look a country of sellouts. Please,this is a serious appeal to you.

  • Nitricc

    It is a good day for TPLF and their paid agents. Obama once again did them a huge fever.
    White House aide Gayle Smith to take over the US Agency USAID. She is huge TPLF supporter.
    And the TPLFites are already partying. They don’t have to beg anymore; they will be given. What a good day. Show it off Adhanom.
    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2014/5058/original.jpg?w=800&h

  • ‘Gheteb

    The Man Who Lived And Died Twice!

    Isaias Afeworki, The President Of The State Of Eritrea, has passed away and ‘died’ some four or five years ago. He ‘miraculously’ came back to life, by way of “resurrection”, and has been leading a life as a leader of a of country that is literally on the crosshairs of USA-cum-Ethiopia. By the way things are going, I may end up writing not ‘the man who lived and died twice’, but ‘the man who lived and died thrice’.

    Now, we are being told that PIA is “AWOL” and has not been seen coming back from his official trip to Saudi Arabia nor did the official Eritrean media reported anything about PIA’s departure to Saudi Arabia nor his return to Eritrea.

    I say that is an excellent and astute observation on the part on Awate dot com Staff. Kudos to you for such a topflight and superb attention and cognizance. But, and that is a big BUT, all we have so far gotten is speculation, speculation and speculation.

    Sure, PIA could be undergoing medical treatment in Saudi Arabia and that should never come as a surprise to anyone. Heavens, the man is 70 years old and the harsh life he led as fighter, the stressful life he still leads and being from a country like Eritrea, why would this even be an issue if the man suffers from chronic ailments. We know that he has suffered from bouts of malaria before.

    Did you expect that such information would have been made public? Fat chance, as it is not the way governments such as the one in Eritrea functions. This is strictly a state secret and has been the praxis of most governments that came to power through an armed struggle to the helms of power. Cuba’s Castro health issue and the death of TPLF’s Meles Zenawi are cases in point.

    It is quite possible that PIA’s plane may have landed in Massawa and not Asmara and for whatever reason they may have decided not to mention it in the State Media. The fact is that we don’t know except those who are ‘in the know’ and hence all the speculation.

    Thomas Keneally who interviewed Isaias Afeworki in the late 80s whose article was featured in the New York Times Magazine described Isaias Afeworki as the “invisible man” while he waited for Isais somewhere in Sahil, Eritrea to conduct an interview and couldn’t seem to find out the whereabouts about the recently elected General Secretary of the EPLF. This is just to give you an idea where Isias’s modi operandi emanates from.

    The article by Thomas Keneally in the late 80s, literally cut through the fog of misinformation that has permeated in Washington, and these days Bronwyn Bruton’s interview with VOA has seemingly cut through the knot that has had a chokehold on Wahington’s voice vis-à-vis Eritrea. I would even go on limb here and say this: Bronwyn Bruton’s interview is to 2015 what Thomas Keneally article was to the late 80s.

    That being the case, here is what I think is nothing but an ad hominem attack on the persona and intellect of Bronwyn Bruton.

    ” If you are wondering who Bronwyn Bruton is, she is a lady who also has a hobby, playing a teenager rock star fan and pontificating about the issues of the Horn of Africa. She told VoA that she was invited to Eritrea “because I have been critical of Ethiopia the door [to Eritrea] has been open and I have had a standing invitation to go for many years.”

    Never mind abut her hobby here, but to say that she ” has a hobby of ….. pontificating about the issues of the Horn of Africa…. ” does NOT reflect the truth at all. She has all the necessary qualifications , expertise, education and expertise to render her opinions as do all the pundits, talking heads and Think Tank honchos. About the only “crime” that Ms. Bruton is standing accused of perpetrating by those who oppose the PFDJ is simply the fact that she said something about Eritrea that is frankly a breath of fresh air and shared his impression that PIA looks like a 50 years old man quite younger than hiss chronological age that has seemingly infuriated those who have been awaiting the demise of Isaias and his regime eagerly and her renditions has utterly discombobulated their expectation.

    But, Ms. Bruton’s work and resume speaks for itself and based on that anyone can make his or her own assessment. Below is the link:

    http://www.cfr.org/staff/b14483

    As if Hayat Adem’s ridiculously risible speculation that Ms. Bruton is “bitter” because she didn’t get some sort of an appointment for a Somalia mission and hence why she was speaking against Ethiopia and in favor of Eritrea was not bad enough, now Awate’s Staff has to jump on that ” bash Bronwayn Bandwagon”? You may think that she is a “fawning Isaias fan”, but your take on Ms. Bruton has gotten close to being nothing more than a hatchet job. You could have simply shown what she said or wrote was wrong by way of refutation.
    As if Cuz Semere Andom’s humorously zany rendition that Ms.Bruton had a profound crush on PIA was not bad enough, here you are saying that Ms. Bruton is “playing a teenager rock star fan” and join Cuz Semere’s wild assertion that what this lady is saying about Eritrea and PIA is nothing more than a teenager’s fancies? Hmmmm…..mmm !

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Gheteb,
      You sounded as one from those who pray for the ” long life of the despot” who killed the aspiration of the Eritrean people and paralysed the new nation we paid to much to realize it. Your argument is always on the side of the evil man and his regime that is crashing the hopes of our young. What is wrong with you brother?

      • sara

        ato amanuel
        sir, isn’t this a place you say is for debate, not for chit chat. many of us whether we support the government
        or oppose it are happy to be here because we could enjoy different sides and more debating eritrean issues.Awate will not be interesting as it is now if we don’t have participants like Mr gheteb and of course you. in fact from my observation ato gheteb is playing the devils advocate to make the debate educational and interesting.the same with ato haile,ato mahmoud ato beyan,ato shum,ato andom,Nitricc, selam,ks and the web owners saleh and saleh.

      • Peace!

        Dear Emma,

        What happen to your advices? Or, is that Keshi Z’beleka G’ber; Keshi Z’gebero a’ytgber? Do we have to take any report against PIA at face value? Yes, in deed the report above treats PIA as celebrity, not as leader, as if he is a member of kardashian family.

        Regards

    • Semere Andom

      When Intelligent People Are charmed Out Of Their IQ
      Dear Awatista:
      In the early days of awate.com, Dr.Kamal Ibrahim was dubbed the resident watch dog for his writings and warning about what the website was publishing. He even predicted that some of the stuff that was being published will be the undoing of the website. But 15 years on the website survived and thrived. Contrary to what dawit accused it of enriching itself, it actually made its owners poorer.
      Dr. Kamal Ibrahim who wrote beautifully, like the singing of a bird. He was smart, articulate, but while equipped with these tools he was charmed out of his intelligence by the situation in Eritrea, he was confidently optimistic that he saw the future of what he termed adversarial politics in Eritrea. He quoted Abdul Rahman Babu of Tanzania as saying that he saw the promise of Africa in Eritrea
      The reason I am invoking Kamal Ibrahim is not to tell him he was wrong, but to hammer home when intelligent people are fooled by a dictator. The dawit’s, Nitriccs, Teds and Arayas of the Eritreans are at large maybe charmed out of their pants by IA, but the smart people charmed out of their IQ. Be leery!
      In history people with impeccable intelligence has become tools of dictators, Dr. Mengele comes to mind, a physician who conducted inhumane medical experiments on the Jews. Also Christopher Columbus comes to mind, who said that Native Americans are so nice, it is easy to enslave them. Just because Lady Bruton has good resume and accomplished career does not mean she is telling the truth. She is unprofessional, you can hear she was blushing when she talked about the youthful IA.
      Dr. Kamal Ibrahim has not written in a long time, but probably a second cousin of him, an intelligent Eritrean, well read, a good writer has also been charmed by the longevity of IA out of his IQ. He is mesmerized by the successful career of Lady Bruton to the point that he is taking her words at face value. A man who once walked the halls the reputable UofK, when his two other cousins, Sem Andom and Saleh Younis roamed the “hafash Wudubat” to be members of the National Union of Eritrean Women’, so the women could fight the dual operation. And when his other cousin Saleh A was recuperating from his wounds inflicted by IA. This explains why these cousins of his cannot write as eloquently as him, but to their chagrin he has been charmed away, not only been charmed, but charmed out of his IQ by Bruton and IA.
      The man who is fiercely independent when it comes to critizing the opposition suspends his independence and when he types away to responds to the stimuli of calling Bruton’s absurdity. He “freezes” his freedom and defends both and in the process he joins the pantheons of Nitricc, dawit, Teds and Arayas
      .

      • ‘Gheteb

        My Cuz Semere,

        The one that a Congressional Act would be required for me to disown, has yet again revealed this preternaturally uncanny ability which is “to hear Lady Bruton was blushing when she talked about the youthful IA”.

        Now, I can only tell via or by “seeing” people blush and here I am at my wits end to find out how in God’s Green Earth does my Cousin Semere is/was able to “hear” when Lady Bruton is/was blushing?

        I am telling you that now even a Congressional Act wouldn’t be enough for me to disown my Cuz Semere.

      • Ted

        Hi Semere, you have all the making of good leader, the tenacity, out of the box idea, and of course the IQ. What you missing is CHARM. You seem to understand PIA has the upper hand on charm department otherwise unworthy opponent. The man is charming 70 yrs old(by your admission) what about you. Here are the pointers to make you the better version of yourself.

        People who are charming are people who make us feel good: You are epitome of pessimism, the embodiment of doom and gloom. The “princes of Darkness” of Eritrea.
        Charming people make us feel like they understand us, value us and think we’re awesome: You don’t understand Eritreans , belittle the pride and joy, the independence struggle they cherish, you trash the youth as useless for not fighting your dirty job.

        Charming people are non-judgmental, empathetic and caring; You are vindictive. You lack to acknowledge the the fear and concern of Eritrean people . You label, call names to groups and individuals you don’t like.
        Charming people are dependable,you could rely on when the chips are down: O boy this is the hard one to The man who is brokering Eritrea to TPLF, enough said.
        You have long way to be charming, but it can be done( The GREAT MS cross your fingers, do it for semere).

        • Semere Andom

          Ted
          Tell the truth, not once, a fluke, make it a habit, do not slip back to lies. I thought you had moved on. Once you do that I can charm you. it is a promise;-)
          And over mother’s day ponder about your idea of reform, that even the great MS doe snot buy, that is a clue for you

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, Reform is not for egomaniacs, it is a tough endeavor which requires compromise, forgiveness and commitment.
            The Great MS is all about peace and moving forward, of course i will be there when he needs unsolicited anger translator;) He is rooting for you, don’t disappoint him by saying things he didn’t say about reform..

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Ted:
            Stop using MS for cheap reform. Lt me ask you this: What is your idea of reform, for example Sal thinks best way is to remove the head of PFDJ were all the poison is located and then the body will change or wither away, is that reform to Ted, the descendant of one of the geniuses?
            Or is your idea of reform is PFDJ intact to finally dawn to it and lead the reform, reforming it self.
            And before you pontificate what it takes to reform let me warn u that you are talking to some one who studied the SA Truth and Reconciliation, not academically but by travelling there on fact finding mission and learning. I hope you will admire that because your pragmatic. Also does revealing thins info about me make me egomaniac

    • Mizaan1

      Gheteb,

      I agree with your statement here:

      “You could have simply shown what she said or wrote was wrong by way of refutation.”

      I am among the people who criticized Ms. Bruton but out of respect, I only refuted her take on the issues. I criticized her for not starting from the bottom and going up. Ms. Bruton should make more efforts in the future to visit the refugee camps and take a sample of dozens of refugees and find out the truth for herself because of course the president’s office will give her nothing but bright pictures. My gut feeling is she is an honest and caring woman but she approached this wrong. Because you go ask a criminal, ‘did you do it?’ He will certainly so heck no. You ask the victim, then witnesses, and the alleged criminal. I would hope Ms. Bruton would continue her work with the Eritrean people but it would be much more revealing to her if she starts from bottom and make her way up and pose tough questions to the authorities.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mizaan;

        Two things to consider her. First this is not an awate editorial. Who knows I could have written it as awate staff;-)

        Second, I know this and you critized her and cousin Gheteb know it but focused on my blushing comment, Bruton is not an independent commenter when she uttered those words. She is just whit, American and PFDJ lackey. a decade ago we had a gun totting congress man somewhere from the Bible Belt supporting PFDJ.
        It is hilarious to see Nitricc, dawit, Ted salivating for more Brutons, for more useless visits to KSA and bragging about roads they have built by slave labour. The millennia accomplishment report card is stupid accolades because it doe not consider how it was accomplished, what did it do in the process?

        • Mizaan1

          Semere, my intention is simply to criticize Ms. Bruton in a more civilized manner so we have more credibility. She has a wider audience than your average pfdj lackey. If she compiles the things we are saying to her and shows it to a group of deciders in a U.S. House Committee and says “congressmen, this a research I did on elite Eritrean opposition groups. There is no better alternative. Hence I recommend that we stabilize the current government. All they need is $500 million in development aid and they can turn it around. The opposition is baseless group of hate mongers. They will make the situation worse”

          I hope she is not reading this.

          There is nothing else I agree with gheteb. Even this for completely different reasons.

          They brag about how healthcare is great in Eritrea. In the BBC video, you may have seen, the minders tell the interpreter to tell the BBC journalist that we are more happy to answer questions that focus on healthcare. No more “shipping container” questions please.

          • dawit

            Dear Mizan1,
            Don’t we have an army of investigators of Refugee camps interviewing refugees world wide. All the immigration officer in the countries of asylum? Un Monitors, Human Right, Amnesty Internationals, Aljezira, BBC journalist hovering on Refugee camps and all blaming PIA. So one lady visit this one man the source of all Eritrean misery, and refute all the allegations and transformed the monster image that you built carefully for the last 15 years, turning upside down and made it an angel and you are really, really angry.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mizaan,
            And you think the congress does not have a refined, summarized reports of the state of affairs? And they will depend on comments by individuals. C’mon.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Gheteb,
      You said above, among other things,: “As if Hayat Adem’s ridiculously risible speculation that Ms. Bruton is “bitter” because she didn’t get some sort of an appointment for a Somalia mission… ”
      -Her being rejected of an appointment in a UN-Somalia Mission is a fact that I knew and none of it is speculative or risible. Her becoming bitter about it is of course my opinion.
      Hayat

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Hayat,

        First, help me out here. You said:

        “… Her becoming bitter about it is also an observed fact.”

        An observed fact? Hmmm… mmmm… Was Ms. Bruton a subject of some scientific experiment or was she observed by some objective observers, such as scientists? Who , pray tell, were the observers whose observation you are telling me to take as “facts” and why should what “they” have observed be taken as a “fact”? Simply put, who were the observers whose observation about Ms. Bruton reactions ( being bitter) that you are asserting to be nothing but a fact?

        Second, it is good that you have admitted the following is only your personal opinion that what Ms. Bruton
        “The claim or implication that her writings and testimonies about the region are driven and influenced by these facts is of course my opinion.”
        But, the question to you is: why and what prompted you to form such an opinion? Was that because Ms. Bruton is of the feminine gender? While you are at it, could you please tell your political soul mate, Cuz Semere Andom. that it is an impossibility to know for sure and tell that a woman to be blushing by merely hearing her voice in an interview. One can see using ones visual ability (seeing) if a person is blushing or not. I have never known that “one can hear someone blushing”. What do you have to say about this?
        Third, you claimed that Seyum Tesfaye of Atlanta take as “a beautiful description of another useful idiot about Bruton”. Let me just say the following:
        a) I read the article that Seyum penned am I am sorry to tell you that I have found it to be nothing but desultory, utterly lacking in focus, watery and insipid.
        b) He has neither illuminated nor amplified on all the issues about Ms. Bruton either by way of refutation or by rendering a rigorous and objective analysis. He has abjectly failed to show that Ms. Bruton’s take on Eritrea is erroneously mistaken or inaccurate.
        c) All I have seen that Seyum to have done in his piece is to superfluously and redundantly imprecate the likes of Ms. Bruton as “useful idiots”, “useful idiots”, as if repeating that phrase ad infinitum will make them to be useful idiots. Never mind even his use of terms like lipsticks as they fail to add any heft to his analysis and merely reflect his urge to go on an ad hominem attacks. In an astonishing display of chutzpah he denigrates Ms. Bruton as a “neophyte”.
        d) I wasn’t even one bit stumped by Seyom Tesfaye’s use of the phrase “useful idiots” for I know this erstwhile EPRP member is so inured in deploying and using such kinds of phrases.
        e) Seyum characterized PIA as being ” a mercenary tyrant”. One can say many things about Isaias these days, but mercenary is not of them. Actually, PIA is way too independent and self-reliant and, I think, that is at the crux of all the wrath that he has so far incurred. By all appearances, it is Seyum Tesfaye’s political activism that comes close to being described as ‘mercenary’ since his political works seamlessly dovetails with the Weaynes ‘Eritrean agendas’.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Gheteb,
          This is a forum and not a scientific journal and I think you are asking questions that have already been answered. My opinion is formed from reading all her articles about Somalia and recalling how sympathetic intonation she projected when she spoke of al-Shebab and how bitterly critical she was on the TFG leaders and the UNGS special envoy, and connecting it to the personal grudge she held against the UN representative.
          Look, if you are a person so much interested in facts and their authentications, how come you were not questioning her when she said PIA looked 50, when she claimed based on the talks she only exchanged with officials in Asmara that Eritrea is doing well; when she said Meles and IA’s quarrel of 1998 was about Eritrea’s Independence; when she claimed the regime has demobilized 100K from the NS quietly; when she said many of the Med Sea victims could be non-Eritreans claiming to be Eritreans….which of these claims of hers are scientifically defensible?
          Hayat;

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            Excellent! Can you also please lend me a good line for my answer to CuZ Gheteb for his repeated need of authenticating of me saying she was blushing when she said that IA looked 50;-)

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hayat Adem,
        .
        Thank you very much for the linked Seyoum Tesfaye’s article. I am impressed with his knowledge and clarity of thought. I wish he is invited to come to Awate University at the very least, as a visiting professor, on important occasions.
        Thanks again.
        .
        K.H

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kim & Hayat,

          Seyoum’s characterization of “useful idiot” to Ms Bruton is right on the mark. He came out to disqualify her as a lipstick of a vicious tyrant, who is inconsiderate at least to say something about the suffocation of our people under the grip of Issais’s rule. Seyoum’s argument is not a rebut to Ms Burton only, it is also pointed indirectly to Eritreans who adorn Issayas as a celebrity right in this forum or elsewhere. We know them well without mentioning their names.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            You seem to be unnecessary worrying about the regime supporters in this forum. You should invite them here more and more and see their arguments. Let them defend the government. If everyone has the same idea, then what is the meaning of debate. If your wishes were to come true, every comment would start with a phrase ” I agree with you completely .” When that happens it is the end of awate as we know it.
            I wish Siphia come and debate. We need Oxford style debate. Not scratching each other ‘s back. If I were you , I invite them, convince them,, convert them, and send them back to the community to preach the good news than block them.
            Thanks

  • Fnote Selam

    Hi All,

    Bronwyn Bruton said some interesting things to say about the horn (quite refreshing actually). Her statements on Eritrea has a lot of holes and it was, honestly, quite naive (if she was not trying to deliberately deceive). I thought this would a perfect opportunity to the various Eritrean opposition groups to show that they are mature by making sober and official statements countering her statements on Eritrea point-by-point. I am sure we have plenty of very good writes who can do that. Unfortunately, what I see is that people trolling her on twitter and awate making semi-mocking/trolling satire/report?? Very disappointing!

    Best,

    FS.

    • Nitricc

      HI FS which point exactly did you find it untrue what the brave woman has to say? I mean; why can’t you express them yourself. If everyone is silent; because they have nothing to say; due to the truthfulness of her reporting. Now tell me one point from what she said is not true? Sometimes; we accept the truth even if it is against what we want to hear.

      • Fnote Selam

        Hi Nitricc,

        Funny that you appear to agree with BB completely. She actually accepts and repeatedly said that the Eritrean gov is absolutely authoritarian and stressed the need to address human rights, elections, imprisoned journalists and politicians etc. She tried to rationalize some of these which is possible to interpret as an effort to see both point of views (and I sort of ok with that..). Problem is her assertion that there are changes coming along just because some government officials told her so. She is very intelligent lady and could have asked some (not so) critical questions such as:-
        – When gov officials said they have demobilized 100K people without people noticing it, one would expect her to ask for evidence of that or why people didn;t notice when 100K people are demobilized (perhaps there is a reason for that, perhaps people didnt notice because it didnt happen….)
        – she also said that the fact 6 journalist were released out of the blue is a sign of change. Ridiculous! People released no questions asked is actually more of a sign of total authoritarianism than reform (to jail and release people at whim). One would expect the lady of her caliber to ask question like why were these people arrested in the first place, did they have their day at the court, if they were imprisoned by mistake (as some gov apologist say), did the gov apologize to them and perhaps paid reparation for hurt caused and lost time etc etc
        – As a person who claim to have followed the horn politics for a sometime, it is astounding that she seems to naively believe that there will be constitutional reform coming along in Eritrea. One would expect her to look back and see if gov has delivered on the many reforms it promised, constitution part 1, elections, economic reform and investment, media, fact that sawa 12th grade was promised to last for only 2 years etc etc…Even if she was going to give benefit of the doubt to IA regarding constitutional reform, the obvious questions to ask is why haven’t we known of the people (and chairman) assigned to lead it, it is going to involve all sections of eritrean society, what is the time frame……

        These are just a few points from the her interview on voa. There are ton of issues she decided totally to ignore.

        In short, as a critical thinking (think thanker) BB should have addressed all these questions. I think she chose not to, probably because she hopes to get back to Eritrea and do more work (and doesnt want to her standing invitation to visit shut down on her face).

        PS. I find her take on border issue with Eth refreshing and to the point. Good job on that!

        Best wishes,

        FS.

  • Abi

    Hi All
    Brutus =Bruton = Brutal
    I am lazy to check but the word brutal was coined after Brutus, a friend of a king who betrayed the king in one of William Shekspeer’s plays. I guess somethings never change.
    Bruton what a fitting name.
    Regarding IA, I know where he is sitting right now. He is at Cairo airport to accompany the Egyptian FM to eritrea. Hospitality at its best.
    He is showing the world how to do it . Leading by example!

    • dawit

      Dear Abi, I thought you are AT’s Amharic resident expert, I did not expected that you were transferred to the English Department. Do you think the Bruton was derived from the Amharic word ‘ መበርታት በርታ በርቱ => በረታን => Bruton. I think Bertu, Beretan from Giez is much closer to Bruton than the Latin brutal or brutus. Did you know Bruton’s ancestors came from Africa?
      Please no need to badmouth PIA you Liberator.
      Cheers!

      • Abi

        Hi dawit
        I withdraw from Amharic department because the only Amharic professor (Saay) got fired.
        dawit, I was not badmouthing IA . I was only glorifying his hospitality and undeserved candidness.
        Back to Amharic dept. Instead of bertu I say betir( dula) for brutal. You can’t beat that!

  • Semere Andom

    Dear AT:
    Excellent!. You should find a photo of IA from 1995, that is the year he turned 50 and depict him while opening the door for lady Burton, just a suggestion, we have an artist and a writer in one in Gadi. This will make dawit’s day.
    The opening of the door will denote the gentleman nature of IA for the infatuated teenage