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A Documentary: Eritrean Refugees In Ethiopia (Part 2)

Last week Ethiopian Broadcasting Corporation aired a two part documentary about the general Eritrean situation. This is PART 2 of it. The documentary is heavy on interview and reports by eyewitness who are now stranded in several refugees camps across Northern Ethiopia. They include, army officers, college professors, housewives, students, conscripts, veterans, handicapped, artists, farmers, merchants, and diplomats. They have all escaped the hell that the Valineki Clique has created in Eritrea. And the exodus of hundreds of thousands of Eritreans who are forced to leave their country behind is explained by Isaias, “there is no lack of [people]who betrayed their families, their country and people, limited number, one or two, who are licking leftover from plates.”

An exiled colonel describes the Valineki Clique as “dead, only its tongue is still alive.”

Overall, the documentary is executed professionally and is not a propaganda laced work as many would expect. Instead, for Eritreans who love their people and country, the two part documentary is full of heart wrenching testimonies which are the main strength of the documentary.

Watch the documents and mourn over what befell the beautiful people of Eritrea who have to endure the cruelty of the Valineki Clique.

LINK TO PART 1

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  • sabri

    Dear Saay,

    As always I really enjoy your posts. As Hailat said we are blessed to have you here. Hope one beautiful day see you in Asmara sipping your cappuccino as a prolific writer (columnist) in one of the coming free paper.

    I just want to say something about your comment on developmental state. It is for the first time that I hear the phrase Participatory developmental state. Is it something you coined? Developmental state demands very efficient bureaucracy, transparency and accountability. Furthermore, the economic policy is liberal as it is exhibited in South East Asian countries. Some called it State capitalism because it is state-driven capitalistic economy. In developmental state individual liberty is not a priority. The state dictates. Ethiiopia, declared itself democratic developmental state to not be associated with the authoritarian governance of South East Asian countries. However, in reality (at least in my eyes) there is no such democratic developmental state. There is only Developmental state and developmental state by nature is authoritarian.

    The main characteristic of developmental state such as efficient bureaucracy, transparency and accountability, meritocracy etc lacks in Eritrea. Therefore, we can’t call Eritrea developmental state.The governance of PFDJ is far from developmental state. Yes, it began as developmental state in the 1990s but what happened after 1998 is another story. The reality in Eritrea is more command economy than developmental state.

    • saay7

      Selama Sabri:
      Quick notes fit for Sunday afternoon (Warriors about to destroy Cavs; Nitricc get ready to lose a bet. Again.)

      1. If we were to do a lexis-nexis search, Sabri, the credit of viewing the Isaias Afwerki (or at least its aspirations) from a developmental state prism would go to you. I think we discussed that, I don’t know, two years ago? That’s the great thing about Awate University: we all learn from each other, if we have an open mind.

      2. I agree and I think I mentioned it earlier that Ethiopia defines itself as a “democratic developmental state” and I also mentioned that, like you, I don’t believe that Ethiopia is democratic at all. The word democratic is aspirational and not a description of the current Ethio government.

      3. My original description of the PFDJ system was “mandatory participation developmental state.” This is because its official have spoken often about de-linking democracy from election and focusing it on the “participatory decision making process.” In truth, of course, the people’s participation is limited to being hectored–it is one way communication and that’s why the PFDJ never has symposiums or conventions but only “seminars.” So, the Participatory is also aspirational: it is not a descritpion of the PFDJ; it only tells you what it envisions a perfect State.

      4.The only time it shared its dream, the PFDJ told us it wants to be like Singapore: rapid transformation. This requires the extremely heavy hand of the State especially in social engineering when dealing with diverse society.

      The point of it all is not that the PFDJ is at all succeeding in executing its vision, but that it has one. And just like with a serial murderer you can’t say, “but he has such penmanship!”, the crimes it has committed against the people of Eritrea are so grave that, for me, it is all academic but for those who don’t believe the PFDJ has committed crimes and to the extent it has it was “all in the national security interest of Eritrea”, then I find it useful to measure the PFDJ not in comparison to absolutes but in comparison to its self-proclaimed goals and vision.

      In a hurry; would greatly welcome your input…and thanks for the very kind words.

      saay

      PS: Sabri, check this out: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2610265

      • sabri

        Thanks Saay,

        I didn’t know that you use that phrase in the context of aspiratiion. If that is the case I agree. Yes, PFDJ always wants to be a developmental state. However, what is on the ground reality is different.

        I do remember the long discussion I had with you on democracy and development. I still belivie if properly inplimented develipmental state is a right way to go for any developing country including Eritrea.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Brother Saay,

        “…I don’t believe that Ethiopia is democratic at all”
        Hade, senbet iyu
        Kilte, ab merAa Hadire r’esey filits kitbl ila ala
        Seleste, I think you are subconsciously missing T. Kifle

        demo-cracia = ምምሕዳር ሕብረተሰብ

        “Democracy is not only necessary in Ethiopia, but also the guarantee of our existence.” PMMS

        እትዮጵያ ዲሞክራሲ ክትምሥርት ታተ ሰንበት ትብል ኣላ እዩ ዝበሃል እዙ ዓርከይ፤፤
        Take it back!

        • saay7

          His Fantiness:

          Never visit the Internet when you are suffering from hangover. I mean when you are sleep deprived. Something. Also you are interrupting the game and thanks to you now the Warriors are behind.

          I have no anxiety of T Kifle: he is too busy counting votes. Moreover my pledge with iSem prohibits me from discussing the politics of the ruling party but I can speak of the country in general. Right iSem? So what the late PM said was that the ideal role for the state is to be a “night watchman” and I leave it to zmilketom akalat whether right now the State is night watchman or a day, afternoon and night watchman.

          In any event, the point is that “democratic developmental state” is aspirational: Ethiopia is not there yet. When you recover from your hangover you should debate Sabri who believes “democratic” and “developmental state” are a contradiction in terms. He is smarter and more cerebral than me

          saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            I think I am missing T. Kifle myself. Self diagnosis is harder than it looks. Enjoy your game!

          • Ted

            Hi, Saay, Fanti
            Cavs baby!!!!!!

          • saay7

            Ted

            Bbbbbbbbarely in OT baby;)

            Saay

          • Ted

            Hi, saay,
            GW did game 1 OT baby, pay back time baby!
            Now we know better how to handle them, they are sooo so predictable baby!!!!!

          • saay7

            Hi Ted:

            But in game 1, in OT, we owned you baby:) give u credit for all the psych ops about how you are so handicapped because u lost a star player waaaa waaaa waaa. We are better coached, deeper bench and, ahem, smarter. See u in game 3! In that awful state.

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi SAAY, The worst for GW is yet to come. Just in just two games we found a way to cripple the MVP S. Curry to nothing. In the next game Klay Thomson will get his match and the rest will be history. Enjoy your one fluke victory while it lasts. See you in game 3.i wish you good luck(you really need it),

          • saay7

            Ted!

            Oh. No. You. Didn’t.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Saleh, and Ted
            Hey Ted, SAAY should lowered the expectation. Stephen Curry is explaining:)

            Take it easy Saleh, it’s just SPORT.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAXVCpjpzs

          • Ted

            Selamat the Great MS, Just a sport, No way. Winning is only half of the joy, the other half is seeing your miserable opponents cry in anguish. Don’t feel bad for Saay, he knows what he is getting in to( almighty Lebron).

          • sabri

            Saay,
            Please understand me correctly. What I’m said is Developmental state at its initial stage is authoritarian, democracy in its liberal definition is absent. But gradually it should lead to democracy. Perhaps. I will write more on it after I read the article you provided.

          • saay7

            Selamat Sabri:

            I think I understand your position. What I was trying to do is to define each regime by its aspirations and whether those aspirations garner support.

            Your position is that the developmental state is a good model for African states for a finite period and that this developmental state, by definition, will be authoritarian and won’t practice democracy conventionally defined: guaranteed civil liberties for individuals, citizens empowered to hire and fire their government in free and fair elections. Within this context, Ethiopia has taken pains to define itself as “democratic developmental state”, a vision fleshed out by Ethiopia’s late PMMZ, as he rejected the neo-liberalism prescription of the West (World Bank, IMF, EU, US.) For some Ethiopians, this vision is unacceptable and for others (like Abi: dabo now, democracy later) it is.

            In the same vein, I was trying to describe PFDJ’s model and came up with “mandatory participation developmental state.” Theoretically, the difference between Ethiopia’s model and Eritrea’s model is that in Ethiopia the “democratic” qualifier forces the government to have periodic elections but because democracy, as conventionally understood, is quantifiable (# of candidates, # of terms, # of parties, # of observers) one can readily assess how democratic a system is. The mandatory participation developmental state is all about numbers too: how many people attended a meeting, how many people donated money, how much did they donate, how many hours did they spend.

            In either case, none of it will matter much (for the fans of the systems) unless it can be shown that the state is actually developing. That too is quantifiable: infrastructure built, social service provided, quality of life improved, employment rate, inflation rate…

            In this regard, Ethiopia has been making demonstrable growth that every metric has captured. I think just yesterday, there was information that Ethiopia, once the largest exporter of refugees in Africa is the biggest host of refugees in Africa. There are so many things that the government can point to to say that the country is in good hands, not the least of which being the decade-long double-digit growth.

            In Eritrea, the record is mixed, even when one measures the government by its aspirations, never mind its results, never mind the obscene price Eritreans are forced to pay for this vision.

            saay

          • sabri

            Well well Saay Abi seb,

            Your starting point is aspiration. In Ethiopia, developmental state is practiced in reality. It is not aspirational. The only aspiration I see is weather the system leads to liberal democracy or not. For me why they prefer to be called developmental state is to not be associated with the authoritarian DS of Asian countries in the 60 s and 70s. They want to suppress the authoritarian nature of DS. I don’t agree Ethiopia holds election because it is pushed by democratic forces. Having regular election is in line with DS. However, they use election to measure how many support they have. They don’t see it as a power contest. In the case of Ethiopia most of the time oppositions and free press threats badly perfectly in line with the classical governance of DS.

            When it comes to Eritrea the idea of DS is active. However, in its strict sense the main pillars of DS (clearly outlined governmental structure that push towards development with its functional bureaucracy, transparency and accountability) are not in place. The regime’s answer why these things are absent goes to the 1998 boarder dispute and it blame Ethiopia for not abiding by the Algers agreement and accuse the West to not push Ethiopia to respect the verdict. Thus, no war no peace. Thus, no democracy, thus no functional institutions. From this argument the regime , although aspiring to be a developmental state, its main focus is on security and defense.

            To come to your point, does this line garner supporters? Of course it does to some extent. It is clear that Eritrea is badly treated by international community when it comes to Algers agreement. Many Eritreans have sympathy for it. However, that action doesn’t justify the ongoing human right violations. It doesn’t justify non-constitutional governance, it doesn’t justify indefinite national service etc. you name it.

            I think we agree DS can’t be democratic at least at its initial period. However, I don’t see DS contradict with the liberal type of governance for the sole reason the first create the foundation inorder the later function correctly.

          • saay7

            THsho Sabri:

            The “aspirational” was in reference to Democratic and not the whole “democratic developmental state.”

            No doubt that Ethiopia is a developmental state.

            If you look at all the characteristics or prerequisites of a developmental state, I think Eritrea in 1991 was more ready than Ethiopia (particularly in the area of creating a meritocratic bureaucracy and a state completely independent from the demands of competing interest groups), but as Serray once described the PFDJ they have the reverse Midas touch: everything they touch turns to ashes. What do you think Sabri?

            So now we have Ethiopia celebrating having met MDG 1 (halving extreme poverty) and in Eritrea MDG1 is a taboo subject. But we can discuss MDG 4,5,6 every day, twice on random days.

            Enjoying our convo

            saay

          • sabri

            Saay,

            I agree. Eritrea launched DS right from the outset. The issue was already well discussed and articulated in meda. The economic conference in 1991 in Asmara with many diaspora respechted Writrean academician supported the idea. It started well.

            The sistiaton in Ethiopiais different. 1. EPRDF came to power while it still beluve i lbaninsn type of system. 2. Security was number one issue above everything. At that time the economic policy of Etgiopia was not clear. Officially they try to enforce Revolutionary Democracy while at state level sometimes they said mixed economy, sometimes they Sid free economy. It was a time of confusion. I think the Mekes wing wanted to start from the scratch and went on to study while the other faction pushed on the old communistic style. Lastly the issue resolved when TPLF splitter into two fraction. Mekes came out as a winner. Immediately after he started to construct DS. Although he yeas hatful for Eritrea he was a very dedicated and commuted leader. Growth that recorded in last decade is mainly because of him. He really took DS seriously and was ready died for it. Having dedicated and committed leader is vital ifor DS.

          • saay7

            Hey Sabri:

            There was also another economic conference in 1994 when they were drafting their macroeconomic policy. Again lots of Eritrean professionals went there…and, ashes again. I am not even counting the investment conferences…they must have had 4 of them at least. Remember all the big talk about privatization? The catch is: in a developmental state, there has to be room for private sector and the PFDJ just go nuts when they see anybody except them making money. They can’t even handle very friendly civil society that complements what the State does.

            saay

          • sabri

            Yes Saay,
            There has to be room for privatization. In a state-driven economy full fledged privatization is not encouraged. In a developmental state the intervention of the state is very strong. Particularly this issue is what Ethipia is struggling currently. International institutions. IMF and World Bank, has repeatedly said unless privatization is not encouraged at higher level, Ethiopian growth will be stagnated. Ethiopia insisted, in line with classical DS and in line with its leftist thinking, Bank, telecommunication and land will stay in the hands of the government.

            What we observed in Eritrea in the 1990s, the intervention of the government is much stronger than average DS. Many private companies are frustrated by how they were treated by the government. Lastly the 1998 war came and everything handed over not only to the government but to one person. Very sad indeed.

          • saay7

            Hey Sabri:

            Agree with you wholeheartedly that what we have in Eritrea is a one-man show. I think Medrek called it manocracy.

            On Ethiopias decision to go slow on privatizing certain economic sectors I think their decision to monopolize telecommunication is costing them in competitive Africa, the new frontier for restless money. The Economist had a piece and while most of its criticism had already been addressed by PMMZ in world economic forum in 2012 I think, this graphic perfectly illustrates how and why Nigeria, Kenya are the IT hubs of Afeica and Ethiopia is…well: see the graph:

            saay

          • Berhe Y.

            Dear Saay and all,
            I am not an economist or well verse in the topic but I actually think Ethiopia holding of privatization on Telecom, Banking and Land is actually a sound and good policy. PMMZ gave the world bank and others that Ethiopia needs until 2015 to join WTO, which opening up those sector of the economy was a key requirement. I think last year the current Ethiopia government decided to delay opening up those sectors as they are not ready to open them up.
            If they open those sectors to the outside market, what exactly are the Ethiopian people will benifit from. Well for sure Internet, banking and other high tech sector will benefit and that service will improve dramatically. But will it create jobs for the local economy and improve the living standard of a lot of people?
            My guess is, as I am in the sector, hardly any. Because those jobs, at least IT jobs once the infrastrature are in place, then everything can be done remotly. There are a lot of jobs around the world which are lost to those countries with cheap and effective labour force like that of India, where a lot of jobs are outsourced.
            India the beneficiary of all the outsourcing, have closed it’s market for over 50 years before opening to the world. In the 90s it opened a program, I forgot what’s called where it opened up a business incentive for IT to florise, by giving lots of incentive for Indian companies to benefit and develop the work force, free tax benefit on exports etc..and a lot of diaspora come and setup jobs in India.
            These helped India to develop it’s work force and when it was ready that it can compute with anyone around the world, it said, NOW we are ready for you. Off course NO body can do the job better and cheaper than them.
            Ethiopia can say for example confidentaly to the outside world that, we can open the Air line business for you to come. Off course Ethiopia has the skills and the confidence to compute equally with any air line in the world.
            So the economist can say what ever they wanted to say, but looking back 10 years ago on their report on Ethiopia economy, I can make a guess that they never predicted to see that the country will be growing at the rate it has able to.
            I don’t know if there is any country in Africa, at this stage can have the independence that Ethiopia has to set the course of it’s economy and it’s progress. Kenaya, and others are a good example, Rwanda (for example, it has 4 big ISP and all are foreign owned. The government have good control) and Rwanda is one of the best connected country in Africa. But the cost of high speed internt in Rwanda is more expensive (4 or 5 times) than what it cost in Europe or NA.
            Is this kind of spending really going to make the lives of ordinary Rwandan people better? May be NOT. In case of Ethiopia, it has a lot of option to develop it’s work force and at the same time keep the cost really low (because labor is not as expensive) and really compete.
            Berhe Y.

          • saay7

            Hi Berhe:

            Welcome back. Of the three–banking, land, telecommunication–I was actually talking about the latter. At the Economic Forum PMMZ gave a very convincing answer why banking can’t be privatized to foreign companies but Ethiopian private banks are free to compete. Why? Because they have limited assets and limited financial instruments and are therefore easy to regulate. Not so with Chase Manhattan.

            Telecommunication (mobile phones and Internet) can be privatized, at first to Ethiopian citizens only. I don’t think the comparison u drew with India 50 years ago is applicable because, and you know this better than me, of how its mission critical for any business to have reliable and fast internet connection. I mean if u saw the chart, Somalia has better phone penetration and almost as good internet connection than Ethiopia. A common market that combines 4 common markets (COMeSA etc) is supposed to make Africa bigger than EU and bigger than Nafta (by population size and number of countries.) Did you see Rwandas numbers on mobile phone usage and internet connection: Rwanda has to be reaping more benefits than just making its president Kagame the man with the most Twitter followers (1 million.) due to the leapfrogging capacity of technology, low mobile phone penetration and slow internet is going to hold back the country’s growth.

            I think.

            saay

          • sabri

            Hi Saay,

            The graphic illustrates not good picture of Ethiopia. As far as I know the reason why the government want to hold the telecom branch under its yoke is to distribute equally in the rural areas. Private investors in telecom branch are mostly interested in big cities. The trend is the same even in the west. Partially I understand but there should be other arrangement if that is the only reason why government doest want to privatize.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sabri,

            There is no guarantee on developmental states to lead or transform to liberal democracy. Don’t assume it as a transitional process. It is by itself a new system. People should accept or oppose as a system on its nature. Eritreans must understand the difference of “liberal states or regimes” and ” developmental states or developmental regimes.”

            Saay, Sabri, Haile-TG and Hayat should debate on this system as pro and cons to understand the general public in order the public to make informed decisions. I will give my take on it when I get back from a short trip.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Amanuel,
            Do you really want to debate this topic? Whether it is this or that or the other as if people have yet to find out the nature of the regime? I consider such topic a luxury at this moment. And you want Eritreans to understand the difference between “liberal states” and “developmental states”? I don’t think anybody gives a hoot except students of political science?

          • Saleh Johar

            Amanuale, Sabri, Saay, HailTG, and others

            You discussion about “developmental state” and Liberal state” etc reminds me of the empty discussion that the political cadres of the struggle era subjected the combatants to. They would discuss irrelevant topics of smur gnbar, hadenetawi gubae, democrasiyawi maakelinet, etc. There was nothing that bored the combatants than that. You really think this topic is interesting to anyone apart from students of political science? I think this is trivial and luxury. I don’t know about the rest, but it bores me to death.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Saleh
            I passed most of those years sleeping, the seminars were done at night, therefore, my friend and I would look for the darkest shades. Particularly, 1979-early eighties, it was all coarse theoretical topics. I think we knew more about political theories and international movements than we did about Eritrean proper.
            Now, yes, I am sighing. But I could enjoy SAAY and HTG contest, I see it is brewing up.

          • saay7

            Mahmuday and SGJ:

            Well, I don’t want to demand more on top of the sacrifices you already made for your country but I wish you hadn’t been that bored during the seminars because now you would have helped us. Those who weren’t bored, the Zemhrets and the Yemanes are now the ones who have constructed the house of cards we are discussing. In any event, the only reason some of us are even volunteering a framework is because we think there’s got to be more than the definition of the PFDJ followers as an alliance of the frightened, the opportunists and the koboro junkies. I think I hear iSem saying “don’t forget the alliance of killers, too.”

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear SAAY
            I think SGJ, Amanuel and KS may have a slightly different take. I hear Jabha Abbay was a bastion of discussion (?). I understand why you brought it, and I think I said somewhere that understanding why PFDJ still garners more support than the opposition could be partly explained by looking at the selected information they release*.
            Evidence: UN collected 160 submissions only, and 550 confidential interviews. That shows you one glaring fact: despite the terrible and horrible human right abuses, people are not yet ready to speak up. This is out of hundreds of thousands of Eritreans! Is this due to YG Kafkaesque effect, or there is something else that we need to discuss? So, I agree with you that the hard truth must be discussed in order for us to have a meaningful impact inside the country. It is easy to race for the most catchy names and descriptions, but unless you understand the problem, we will keep beating around the bush.
            * Any serious justice seeker needs to watch Gen. Sebhat Efrem latest workshop in Stockholm. It’s on the Youtube. The same old propaganda, but it gives you a window into the inner thinking of PFD. It’s by understanding how PFDJ works that justice forces could tilt the balance. The elements of developmental state and participatory developmental state are all there although not in a precisely prepared way (because that was not his topic). But I see folks not interested in it; and I could not go further (blame it on my sleeping during those years).

          • sabri

            Well put, Mahmud,

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear sabri
            Thanks.

          • selam

            Dear M.Saleh
            He (yemane) answer to some question was not really nice at all but as you said we need to go deep and know them better than to call them names for 15 years with none stop. If the opposition did not learn fro their mistakes of the blame game ,we will remain under PFDJ for the next 20 years even after DIA. All the activists like some from London and canada and swizz are busy making their name popular than creating a condisive environment to people to participate.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam,
            I see your point, but do you think we should lose sleep thinking about how the people who are empowering the tyrant feel? Then why don’t we extend that and stop calling Isaias a tyrant. Then why don’t we go ahead and ban any characterization that hurts the feeling of those we are fighting to dislodge?

            As you know, such pressure should be put on the regime and its supporters, but asking from the victims what should be asked from their victimizer is absurd to say the least.

            over the years, the resistance has been disarmed of its tools systematically. Now it is walking in underwear and it is being asked to peel off that as well. What’s the natural conclusion of such attitude of overly caring for the junkies while at the same time lashing at the victims, day in and day out? Some fairness, WORLD!

          • selam

            Dear SJ

            i am saying how on earth we give may 24 only to PFDJ ,why is that sir ? we can demand by any means to have a venue to discuse or to remember all about our history or to debate our future. I see all these people who are opposition go to party with PFDJ in the dance time. Is not it independence especially important to justice seekers . How is independence day given to the killers ? why whose failure is that. For example here are all the singers out from Eritrea instead they are invited to PFDJ people . can you imagine almost 100,000 in the west they ask political asylum and get residence yet they dance with PFDJ motto ,some thing is really really sick around . I have never participated in any form because i thought my tie is not yet .But people especially these new comers they are making me sick. Sorry if i am harish but i think you are the most experienced person about such issues and yet you developed a very thick sikn that can carry all our problems. Please do a very open critism as you do smartly.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam,
            First, I had no idea why May 24 has to be tied to crazy koboro! Here is what I wrote in my last article, “the best dancing party coin, etc.”

            Believe me, if Mengistu returned to Eritrea tomorrow, you will find all the Koboro Junkies going crazy with his pictures. Every society has its rejects, including those known as Lumpen in the Marxist lingo. We are not different. We are not exceptionally pure.

            I know that some want it that way: to inherit all mannerism and activities of the PFDJ. I believe all the crazy traditions of the PFDJ has to be shunned, not emulated. Otherwise, aren’t we rejecting the PFDJ for bastardizing our traditions and our dignity, making us all Koboro Junkies?

            Last May 24 I attended a celebration in Oakland–there was no Koboro because the situation does not warrant wegah tbl leyti. It was a somber meeting. The program included watching a documentary made by Meron about the refugees and then a few poems and short speeches. Then we went back home.

            One thing we have to know is that dancing is not a struggle–if that was the case I would spend my nights in nightclubs drinking until I forget how to stand up.

            Any national event is important to all national but we do not have a law on how to celebrate it. The singers are doing their job, just like someone who works in a supermarket, or a parking lot or a bank. That is their job and they decide where they want to be. If they want to sing at a PFDJ event, to me they are no better than a “Wata” who is after money and could praise the killer of his father for a few bucks.

            Our mannerism is not decided by anyone but ourselves, Koboro is not what makes us supporters and resistance, but our conscience.

            I totally agree with you regarding those whole their way in the west as asylees and then go back to the laps of the regime–these are the Koboro Junkies and Beer gulpers. They deserve contempt and shaming not caring for their feeling.

            Feel free to engage, just slow down if you want to engage with me seriously. I can handle three comments a day, not 3 per hour 🙂

            In short, what I am saying is we should not be slapped on the wrist for calling the sick koboro junkies and beer gulpers with the most befitting name. That is even mild, one is tempted to call them something harsher. It is the kind of people who make you sick, those who are quick to run back to the laps of the repressive regime. Despicable lots they are.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello selam (Gualey)
            I hope Fanti doesn’t get annoyed by claiming you as “gualey”. at least he has a daughter; me, 4 chegar danga boys.
            I watched only one part, a friend called me late last night to alert me about it. I did not watch all parts. But your point is clear. The civic associations and professional maHberat could have a bit of freedom and we judge them by what they do. But the political organizations need a comprehensive review if they are to stay ahead of PFDJ games. Sorry, some may not like this, but it is what it is.

          • Abi

            Hi Mahmud
            What is chegar dagna ?
            You forgot your adopted son.
            Netraka atwedim endie ?
            I have two boys. It feels like there is a tornado in the hous everyday. You don’t want to see my basement.
            I need your help. How are you doing with 4 and their friends?
            Mekari wegen lezelalem yinur !

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey abi
            Chegar danga, it’s literal translation is left for Fanti Ghana. But it would be used to describe male physiques,ende gobez malet naw.
            Chegar= xegram?
            Danga=calf
            So, besides politics, we have a common topic to talk about: raising boys.
            Nitrickay is doing his thing, you know, he will come out swinging without prior notice. I hear he is doing fine.

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            Of course thought precedes action. But conviction on principles is reached once, then it is action. I don’t think one has to rethink everything again every time the getting gets tough. PFDJ is the enemy and removing it is the action that follows the thought process. Failure to remove it is not a reason to rethink the conviction, it just requires more fine-tuning to make the action effective. And one of he reasons why the regime is standing is the support of the Koboro Junkies and the Beer gulping Bulls.

            The Zemehrets and Yemanes have succeeded in helping the Valineki Clique devise a cruel oppressive regime- am I supposed to feel guilty for not being one of them? I can’t beat myself for not being an appendage of oppression. On the contrary I am happy I was not part of it. And it is not difficult to join them, I can do that in a whiff only I don’t want to be part of it.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Abu SalaH
            SAAY brought that “lesson” thing to tickle Amanuel. ኣነ ኸኣ ፈሊጠካ ደኣ ኣለኹ፡ ምስ ዓርከይ ኣማንኤል ኣይበአስን ኢለዮ ኣለኹ። “ትም ዝመረጽና…”Saleh(SAAY) gets that line.

          • saay7

            Mahmouday:

            This is what happens when professors are tenured: they refuse to teach classes. SGJ has taken the position that thought precedes action. Your role is to show how action precedes thought (psychologist call that priming.) Priming is used a lot in marketing and politics. Here’s an experiment they ran on Israelis. Your mission, if you accept, is to show how PFDJ uses priming to control people’s thoughts:

            https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201101/priming-national-identity-small-things-can-have-big-impact

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            That is why I will never participate in such studies, it makes you feel like a mouse in a labratory. You have to be willing to be manipulated and someone will confirm his already held belief: see, I did a study! I will not mind be part of a medical study, something that would benefit humanity, not politicians and their likes who are creative in manipulating people. That is why feel sorry I spent most of my like doing marketing.

            Priming, aha? Okay, if you are planning to ask Amanuel to replicate that, and ask 20 people in a Starbucks joint, don’t forget to send him two flags. That is how divided we are and we do not rally behind a single flag. And that doesn’t need any research. Amanuel can tell you that and save you and himself from headache 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey SGJ:

            You are actually priming Mahmoud to reject the assignment. You are taking action to influence Mahmouds thinking. So your years in marketing was not wasted: it is being redirected to politics.

            Emma is a man of science and knows that theories are accepted if they follow the scientific model: they are replicated by peers. If they are, they are accepted; if not, they are rejected. His issue with my ask 20 people was that it was not scientific. Also I was priming him to prepare for answers he wouldn’t like and he said no way will I run that experiment. Why ruin a perfect theory (“dismantle the system!”) if the practice will show nobody is willing to carry the dismantlement tools: it is much more fun to draw the tools.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Saay
            How if you observe SalehG in his normal setting, preferably his favorite Starbucks, No changes in calories consumed, caffeine…nicotine…same time of day, weather….all variables kept constant (Amanuel, this is not a scientific experiment: no VS, fMRI…hormonal level tests….
            You just introduce some names without him aware of them; may humming in a song or something: Rubda…Hmeret Kelboy…Sawa…Hawashait…Adal…and let him mingle with the same group.
            Prediction: will follow.

          • Saleh Johar

            Mahmuday,
            I am at my balcony tea and everything Starbucks offers. When I saw your comment, I experimented it. I closed my eyes and meditated all the words youlisted. When I opened my eyes, I couldn’t stop saying: Amma, Amma, Amma, Haradit, Haradit I can’t Amma, stop, Amma, saying, Amma, that, Amma, you Amma, are Amma, to Amma, blame, Amma 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Haha SGJ
            Actually, I grew up playing with Aamma, later I was conditioned to see Aama as Haradit. It’s true; if you joined the EPLF in early or mid seventies, that would be half of the poletikawi tmhrti. Just as you would be indoctrinated in Jabha that EPLF WAS medada/CIA…. In 1980, there was news that Jabha was going to attack, so a task force was formed to guard the kefltat (rear/support logistics departments. We would carry out occasional reconnaissance in the “no man’s land”. And as a person who spoke the language of the inhabitants, I would normally go with each batch. This day, we finished our job, and stopped in one of the water holes to fill up our canteens (This is in the area that later became refugees camp in Ararb (enda hzbi). we spotted a group of three Jabha tegadelti, presumable returning from the same mission. The rule of engagements forbid us from talking to them (there was no active war at that time, but each side was edgy). After the normal exchanges of identities; both groups met and stopped at a shack. What we did not know was that they had known about our movements, and told us point blank to stop it in order to avoid miscalculations and unwanted clashes. There was a smoker in our group who was suffering from nicotine withdrawals. The first question he asked was if they could give him a cigarette. He got a box.
            ተኽለ፡ ስማዕ’ስከ ዓርኩ፡ እዚኦም ደኣ ሓረድቲ ‘ኳ ዘይኮኑ
            ኣነ፡ ሎሚ መዓልቲ ዕዳጋ ስለዘይኮነ እዩ።
            ተኽለ፡ እንታይ ማለትካ እዩ?
            ኣነ፡ እቶም ደላሎ የለዉን። ኣብዚኣ ንራኸብ ዘለና መሳኪን ተጋደልቲ ኢና። እቶም ደላሎ ምስ ተላዓሉ እዩ ምትሕርራድ ዝመጽእ።
            ኣይደንጐየን፡ እቲ ምትሕርራድ ስዒቡ። እቶም ሰለስተ ተጋደልቲ ብሰላሞም ወጺኦም ክኸኑ ግን ኩሉ ግዜ ምስ ተተስፈኹ እየ። ሽዑስ ንሕና ከይፈለጥና ምንቕስቓስና ይከታተሉ ነይሮም ማለት እዩ። እንተ ዝደልዩስ ምስ ቐተሉና ነይሮም። ወግዓዊ ኲናት ደኣ ኣይተጀመረን እምበር፡ ሓሓሊፉ ምርጻም ነይሩ እዩ።

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY
            Good read. OK, I know both of you are comfortable in this area; you want to crush me to death. weriduni Hafash….
            That’s amazing though. The scrambled flag signifies threat ተወሪርና…ጠፋእና…people will cling to the person/party they feel reflects their expectations better? Yes/no.

          • Saleh Johar

            Mahmuday,
            I just saw this. So you were looking for a shade to escape the torment of theoretical gymnastics like I did! In free Eritrea we shoul be compensated for what they made us go through. I can’t begin to tell you how I hated it. Astemhro! That’s what they called it and it gives me a migraine. We should find a name for it PATS for post astemhro traumatic syndrome. I know I suffer from that sickness 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saleh (SGJ),
            I am really afraid that the reformist might settle this ardeous struggle with reformed auhtoritariam regime after Issayas. The prospect looks like that from my reading. We should not go for less evil regime than Issayas. I don’t want to see another authoritarian regime in Eritrea after all the poredicament we are going through. Therefore dear saleh, how do we prevent such scenario.? If the struggle is only to remove Issayas and leave the system intact, we will end up for reforemd autheritarian regime. Think about dear friend.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • sabri

            Emma,

            You are right there is no guarantee that developmental state will lead to liberal democracy. It depends how it handles. The primary task of developmental state is to build the necessary institutions that can be solid ground for democracy (type of liberal democracy) to flourish. If it implemented properly it is inevitable that it will lead to liberal democracy. You may ask how. Perhaps, we will develop it in our discussion later on. For now It is good to remember what UN stated: fulfilling basic necessity is a human right issue.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Sebri. Real quick; is not Singapore a classic example for a true DS to be chived that the need for strong Doctator?

          • sabri

            Hi Nitricc,
            You are right Singapore is one of the best example of DS. However, today’s Singapore is completely different from Singapore 40 or 50 years ago. As a result of DS, Singapore is a prosperous and more democratic country.

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            Why would you really afraid of reformerist given that you are an experienced veteran fighter with incredible academic credentials? Please help me make sense out of this; last time I checked, you said “We have failed” and now, you keep disagreeing with almost every brilliant ideas. Would you mind elaborating for your readers that why you have failed, and despite that, what’s the point of not willing to open yourself for fresh ideas?

            Respectfully

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            For God sake, I wish I have seen a fresh Idea. But I haven’t. May be you were not familiar about those ideas you are calling them fresh idea. Second what are the new ideas that I am rejecting? When I told you I have failed, it was about communicating my ideas to the public. Nothing else.
            But…But, as to why I am afraid about reformist, hopefully I will try to explain it in my upcoming article.

            Peace, I like you, questioning to my view and hopefully to others. One who questions and who listens always develop the character of a leadership that helps him/her to play a role in administrating political differences. Keep that mantra.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • sabri

            Saleh Johar,

            It is sad that this subject is trivial, boring and luxury for you. As a political activist and political figure to have clarity on what kind of developmental trajectory Eritrea should follow is important. At least from this vantage it should interest you. You may not agree with developmental state. That is fine. But don’t tell us this subject is luxury and trivial that should be left to academicians only.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Sabri,

            I am sorry you are “sad”. Let’s make a deal. You go ahead and discuss all the philosophies and system of governance and the type of legislative council, presidential or another. In the meantime I will focus an the regime so that you can implement your ideas after the skies of the regime because as long as it is ruling, you will not have a chance to do anything. I hope you agree with this arrangement.

          • sabri

            Saleh,

            For me discussing the developmental issue and focusing on the regime is not contradictory. The two goes hand in hand. If I oppose the regime I should have good points why I oppose. By the same token if I support the regime I should have good points why I support. Taking issues like developmental state helps us to see in clarity what we are supporting/opposing. It is not a question of philosophy.

          • Peace!

            Dear sebri,

            Simply Brilliant! I really enjoyed the debate.

            Regards

          • sabri

            thanks peace.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Sabri,

            I see your point, only that I do not really care about anything but justice and freedom. The rest I delegate you to represent me in any issue. 🙂

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Sabri,
            The point you brought made me to comment this. The argument should not be whether a scientific impossibility is to be demonstrated with one or the other. It is an issue of most favored preference and proven effectiveness.The policy implications of Development Vs Democracy have always been the center of governance philosophy discussions for a long time. Partly, I would say socialism was an inspired aspiration by such intentions. The issues that push people to try socialism are still out there unsolved and continue to be sources of much misery. Going to extreme choices didn’t solve the issues and brought additional problems.. Markets are not self-corrective as state powers are not thought to be self-restrained, The first one requires a non-market intervention. The 2nd one requires an empowered citizen’s push back. Any drive of development without an empowered and free citizen and any democracy without an inclusive reach, are not ideal ones.

            Many of the SE Asian tigers were more of developmental and less of democracy. On the other hand, many countries in the Caribbean and farther south have been more of democracy than developmental. If you take the two most populated nations of our planet (China, India), for example, one is run as the largest developmental state; the other is run as the largest democracy. China’s development bulldozes rights, oppressing everyone, many groups including the entire Tibetans. India’s democracy bulldozes developmental rights, leaving many in the south in abject poverty. Both scarcities, i.e., inclusiveness in India and freedom in China did not happen because of emphasis on the other; it is more of despite the emphasis on the other. For democracy to flourish, development is necessary more than unnecessary, and vice versa.

            Theoretically, for the most part, democracy and development, and therefore, claiming to be both democratic and developmental are not contradictory and incompatible. Yes, they may tend to be competitive when both attain their saturation apex (a reference point that is relative and nearly unattainable); and on the contrary, they may be alien having nothing to do with other when both are at their lowest depression point (also a fathomless, relative reference); but for functional policy purpose, both tend to be more of complementary than anything else. Whether Ethiopia is democracy or developmental, or both, or neither of, is a matter of one’s judgment. But it is not contradictory for Ethiopia to declare she is both. In fact, I’ve not known anyone else who strongly call both for a marriage of powerful mutualism than the late PMMZ.

            Hayat Adem

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Extremely well-put.

            The late PMMZ was the most articulate spokesperson for the “democratic developmental state” it is impossible to do any research on the subject of developmental state and democracy without referencing him. Credit where credit is due. (Pick up ur jaw, iSem:) I think the man had a love for theories, observations and the ability to reject what was then essentially an accepted dogma (neo-liberalism) using the vocabulary of economics and not the tired language of politics (colonialism, Washington consensus, etc)

            Having said, in the contrast between India and China, given that the UN has said “the right to work” and “the right to food” is as sacred as the rights we talk about (freedom of assembly, speech, worship) what is the best argument one can make to Abis “dabo now, democracy later”? That is, given that “the right to food” is universal and cuts across all cultures and “right to speak, publish, assemble” is seen as a Western construct of the liberal state, how do we argue for liberal democratic values?

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            Amnana kachamna hizbu endalterabe
            Democracy belto zendro Tegebe
            Democracy belto mebtun eyagessa
            Sigesegis meTa say yene anbessa
            Democracy yebelan sayew awqewalehu
            Fitu weza yilal kehodum borch alew.
            Belanew TeTanew kenjeraw keweTu
            Enantem endgna democracy atTu
            Democracy beshay endet yiTafTal?
            Aserarun limed keAmbasha yasniqal !

          • Hayat Adem

            Selamat Saay,
            Aha, you gave me a chance for may haTew qeTew. There is a beggar, asking everyone around for a change to spare. “I’m hungry, do you have a change?”. Now, you can answer to that request for help with a non-caring and dry “no” in many different ways and yet you fail to provoke the beggar to confront you. You can stare at him back and continue walking. You can fix him a mocking look and ignore. you can also politely say, “sorry, not today, sorry”. All is no and all is well. He is still hungry. He may be thinking inside you could afford to help if you cared. But, he thinks you are not obliged, nor is he entitled. But what happens if you start telling him, “why do you beg, why don’t you work like everybody else, or how do I know if you will spend it wisely”? Chances are, you will be met bad word with bad word or worse. The beggar is okay if you deny him dabbo but he will not let you go away when you start crossing his red line, the line of dignity. Shakespeare didn’t write about dignity and honor more than he did about dabbo,: He said, “Take my honor and my life is done”. Marx wrote more about dabbo. So, it is either dignity through dabbo, or daabbo through dignity. Or combine them like what Friedman did in Lexus and the Olive Tree. Lexus is the dabbo, the economy, the development; the Olive Tree is the identity, the the dignity, the pride.

            Our Saay asks a question no one is better than him to answer: [“the right to food” is universal and cuts across all cultures and “right to speak, publish, assemble” is seen as a Western construct of the liberal state, how do we argue for liberal democratic values?]
            Market, development is a unifier. Right, freedom is a localizer. You are a farmer. You have a produce to sell. You sell it to anyone you never knew before but comes closer to your asking price. But is it that simple for you to go to a night party, to go for a picnic, or do faith practice, or initiate a right movement etc with some one you never knew by first name? The former is about appreciation in transaction, the latter is loss in translation,
            The privilege of breezing air, the freedom to think, the freedom to movement, the right to practice faith, the right to raising normal family and lead undisrupted life…all these are sacred values everywhere- be it in the west, east, wherever. Maybe the literature used to explain them is Western for obvious reasons. But Like HTG said in one of his comments recently, the very purpose of these values is cherished and promoted by all societies and in different styles but with the same essence. However,t because of the languages and expressions applied at every transaction, translation is employed (not just on the language, but the culture) and many values lose their weight, color, and character, the case of lost in translation. Unlike cultural values, market values appreciate with every transaction.
            This is my long way of addressing Abbi’s dabbo now, democracy later. so, tewedajju Abbi, the relationship between democracy and dabbo is not like that of peace and war. It is not like that of security and democracy. it is much harmonious and compatible. You succeed better and faster on each one of them when go for both at the same time.
            Hayat

          • Abi

            Hi Hayat
            It is not like they are mutually exclusive. The problem is , in my humble opinion, we are not ready . You don’t have any idea how long it took me to correctly spell DIMOKRASI . If you ask me the concept and its application, I need another 25 years. ( conservative estimate)
            We are way behind. TK mildly said it as a ” far cry.” My problem with him is he is too politically correct to my taste. What we need is not Democracy , we really need a strong work ethic and discipline. If you go to government offices , people think it is their democratic right to have an hour long coffee break twice a day.
            Hayat , don’t get me started. Zelzala bicha new agerun yemolaw.
            We need new blood, new attitude.
            I wasted my two cents. I could have used it two buy more dabo.Not now. Later when ethiopia is yedabo qirchat.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            Politikegna honk ende? Did you know I waited for four hours at the Bole Airport for having too many shoes in my possession? The young man inspector was okay, and he politely explained to me that many passengers from Dubai are merchants, and “you do have too many women’s shoes, min lyaregut naw?” I was annoyed and delighted to be addressed “antu,” but I was surprised by the amount of time I had to wait for him to show up, because they were either on a break or on a meeting. I am not complaining, but I was surprised by how young the employees looked, and the freedom they seem to have to do what they please when they please. I reasoned my way out of that airport by getting the inspector’s attention to the sizes of the sixteen pairs of shoes.
            `

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            16 pairs of women shoes?
            Yagerun woyzazirt egir eyasnesa
            Chama aTeleqebert
            Fanti yegna anbessa.
            Asrasidist chama asrasidist egir
            Siyasnesana siyawerd new wulo yemiyadir.
            Setochu siwerdu egrachew sinesa
            Ayee yeFanti haTiat ayee yesu abesa!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi! You are evil. Is Fanti going to pass this without a revenge! Maybe, that is considered “wendata” in the culture 🙂

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Bene endiet yicheknal?
            Fanti wendata
            Eyob Findata
            Saleh Arada
            Abi evil? Endeta !
            Kibur Ato Fanti endet tewarede
            Egir asnesto ej nesto hede
            Setochum chekolu yiqbeTebeTalu
            Ej endemensat egir yanesalu
            Kiburnetwo beman yiferdalu?
            Wendata eyalu yadefafiralu
            Esachewus keman yansalu?

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            I am laughing because you reminded me of a story.

            One time two combatants was accused of having, you know, that thing. The investigating guy asked the witness if he saw them in the act. Being a guy who could only express himself in military lingo, he said, “I saw one leg up towards the sky like an artillery cylinder.”

            When putting shoes on, legs do not go up that way Abi, c’mon, you know that 🙂

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            I’m dying. can I please watch the game?
            ” like an artillery cylinder ”
            In addis it is called Tebenja betkesha.
            Where is Fanti?
            Thanks for the good laugh.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            There won’t be anything you will say that has anything to do with shoes that will make me upset!

          • sabri

            Dear Hayat,

            Thank you for your interesting and well put comment.

            In discussing DS the first thing I don’t agree with is to see democracy and development as two different things. The issue is not which one comes first. I see DS as a common factor for both democracy and development. Democracy function well when it is rooted in a good foundation. Foundation like functional judiciary system and other relevant institutions. We can’t have functional democracy unless these institutions are in place and staffed with competent personal. Therefore, it is the task of developmental state to bring these institutions. DS plant democracy and give it a fertile ground to grow. Since developing economy and create social justice system is vital, it is not contradictory if DS focus primarily on it. But many people confuse as if DS is only concerned on economic development.

            Regards,
            Sabri

          • T. Kifle

            Dears, SAAY, Hayat, and Sabri,

            This is interesting discussion. The political class in Ethiopia debates on the de/merits of this DS and/or whether Ethiopia is “Democratic DS) or whether it is developmental state altogether. It has been controversial matter attracting almost no economists to the debate. As to my little understanding, the two concepts are not necessarily contradictory in nature. It’s true Ethiopia has somehow addressed some of the major internal contradictions and it’s is relieved of significant portion of the stress that had been built up over the years. But the efficient state bureaucracy that the DS demands is a far cry. Building institutions doesn’t seem easy. It appears to me that DS is construed as “Zemecha” and anyone who wish to be part of the “Zemecha” should act in tune no matter the merits of the “Zemecha”. It’s certain that no institution can be thrived without the necessary characters of liberal ideation. much of the institutions that matter are ill-equipped. Our universities have become almost “non-thinkers” or if there are few who do the “thinking” they don’t get a forum to put their take to public discourse. The bureaucracy is like a “Leaky bucket”. It dissipates significant proportion of state wealth. As I see it, Ethiopia will reach a threshold where only carefully crafted policies combined with effective state machinery would bring about development. In the absence of these two attributes, public spending alone may no take us that long. To summarize, this DS is not good at building institutions and that’s a visible weakness in terms of long haul stability and continuity.

          • sabri

            T.Kifle,

            Interesting reflection. If the institutions in Ethiopia are not efficient it is not because of DS. It is true DS works best under efficient system. Building up that kind of system is one of the task of DS and it takes time. Ethiopia adopted DS only a decade ago. We cannot expect dramatic change within this short period of time. However, there are indicators that shows things are doing on the right direction. That doesn’t mean everything is fine. The government admits the quality of education is poor. There are many bottle necks. It doesn’t mean DS is bad.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam T. Kifle,

            Welcome back!
            Let me add to this sharp observations on your side: Not only “DS is not good at building institutions……..in terms of long haul and continuity.” DS is also structured to form a “hegemonic state or regime” by virtue of controlling democracy to protect the regime on power. Rigorous debate is going regarding as to the nature of developmental regimes in the higher institutions of knowledge in the western world.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nero

            Dear Hayat, Saay and Sabri

            There are examples of successful democratic developmental state such as Mauritius and Botswana, even if now the latter has shifted towards a neoliberalist approach. I think the contribution of PMMZ is due to the fact his thesis comes following the dominance of neoliberalism. However, there are some who have been advocating for a democratic DS for Africa like Mkandawire, a Zambian economist. He also asserts that the institutional efficiency standard is attainable, and even much better situated than, the institutions of China when it launched its DS in 1979. The effective bureacracy argument is often based on the extremely high standards set by DSs such as Japan and Taiwan.

            N

          • sabri

            Hi Nero,

            Yes, Maurituos and Botswana are two succefull examples of DS. Would you please say more what democratic develipmental state is?

          • Nero

            Hi Sabri,

            My understanding of a democratic developmental state is that it is a developmental state first and a democratic DS second. That is to say, democracy can result in change of governments but not in change of the developmental state policy. Major parties must be committed to the developmental state model, and so the development of the culture of democracy should not derail the development trajectory.

            I think the most important thing is that the developmental state is rooted in the context of a country and provides relevant solutions and manages to restrict negative forces be it nationalism, militarism, cronyism….

            What could be said of most developmental states is that they have effectively managed to solve their existential problems through development, but there are varying degrees of democratic culture, from one party states in China, to authoritarian regimes in S Korea, Singapore, to single party dominated democracies in Taiwan, Japan, Botswana.

            Nationalism (Japan, Korea), Culture (Singapore, SKorea, Malaysia) and Religion also are used as unifying forces in forging DSs, but in diverse, multicultural, multi-religious countries these might bred more divisiveness, as such there must be mechanisms to balance different forces. The argument is that both democracy and development are indispensable.

            In the case of Ethiopia, the argument seems that development is a unifiying factor of the different constituents, while democracy can be used as an expression of diversity of groups, and of ideas. However, there must be an overridding vision and that is the development must be good for all groups, so it has to be inclusive, egalitarian and not create new fissures such as social inequality.

            N

          • sabri

            Thank you Nero. If all other parties are expected to follow the model of developmental state, then we can’t say there is a multi party system. As an opposition party they should have alternative programs that differs from the one who is in power. Former Ethiopian prime minister used to say we are not lucky to have responsible opposition parties with clear alternative programs. I don’t think the government expects the opposition accept its version of democratic developmental state.

          • Nero

            Hi Sabri,
            Not all parties are expected to follow the developmental state model, there could be other parties aspiring to implement a liberal democratic or social democratic model. However, this shift of policies will need time and also use up much needed resources. So unless the DS model is failing there is no rational reason to move to another model, from a policy point of view. Opposition can develop their own versions of DS though.

            N

          • sabri

            Naro,

            what you are telling me is unless DS is failed, opposition have no any other option other than follow the trajectory model or modifiy the existing DS, right? DS is EPRDFs program. As long as It is not written n a country’s constitution, opposition have no obligation to endorse. They can come with their own program totally different from DS. The problem is I don’t see oppositions in Ethiopia have clear alternatives. Their talk is dominated by human right issues. Sometimes they look like human right activists.

            In your above post you stated “In the case of Ethiopia, the argument seems that development is a unifiying factor of the different constituents, while democracy can be used as an expression of diversity of groups, and of ideas.” Is it how you understand what it means to be democratic developmental state in Ethiopia?

          • Nero

            Hi Sabri,

            What you quoted is not my understanding- it is the argument used in gov’t policies, and has been reiterated in various ways and on many platforms, including by PM MZ in WEF @ Addis in 2012.

            Accepting the concept of DS is a starter to bringing alternatives. If something works, you should discuss ways of improving it. Why would any country change a strategy which is working? I think the democratic choices are always limited by real situations and should be checked by the reality of governing.

            DS is not just a program, it is how you arrange all your policies, programmes and strategies of your country’s economy to integrate it with the global market. So you cannot just dismiss it overnight. The foreign policy, national security, economy and also politics are directly shaped by DS concept. So DS is not just an EPRDF five year programme, it is essentially an element and fabric of the state now, and all need to accept that <-. BTW, this is my opinion.

            Can it be changed by the people? Sure, if it is not working for them. Anytime.

            N

          • sabri

            Dear Naro,

            Thank you for clarification. You said DS is not an EPRDF program. I don’t agree. DS is purely the program of EPRDF. As a major dominant front it spread through the Country and also shows some good results. But it doesn’t mean all opposition groups accept it.

            As far as I know I don’t see any Ethiopian opposition group that support the DS of Ethiopia. In their eyes DS doesn’t work in Erhioia. They argue EPRDF use DS for it wants to stay in power for a long time. They contest in election not to govern the DS designed. by their antagonist EPRDF. They want another system. The problem is they have no clear alternative program.

            .

          • Nero

            Hi Sabri,
            What I meant by ‘it is not an EPRDF program’ is to mean it is not just a program, it is much bigger. It is a collection of policies and strategies, and has a political and economic component.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kubur Haw Sabri,

            Do you know by definition “developmental states” are authoritarian states both in theory and practice? If your argument is based on economic side only, you don’t have a holistic understanding about the system. If you don’t explain how the interdependence of economics and politics play within the system, and whether that interplay opens door to democratic transition, the debate will saturate and will end very fast without understanding the theory of it. I don’t know whether Ethiopia is following developmental system in real sense, but from other examples out there none has gone to transitional democratic governance.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • sabri

            Emma,

            I don’t think you follow my previous posts. In all of my comments I repeatedly wrote DS should be seen in its holistic form not only in economic terms. DS is not about economy, it is about development and development encompass many aspects including democracy. The task of DS is to create a necessary condition where both development and democracy realized. Initially yes DS is authoritarian because a lot of power is vested in state and that is necessary. However, gradually in proportion with the development of the country the state lessen its grip and leave it to actors such as private sectors and civil society. The expected outcome will be liberal democracy in its real sense well anchored in functional institutions.

            I don’t agree with your statement “from other examples out there none has gone to a transitional democratic governance.” Botswana and Mauritius are good examples in Africa often hailed by international community and scholars for their success both in economic development and democracy. It is DS that helps them to achieve stable economy, good governance and democracy. South Korea, Japan and Brazil are other examples.

            Ethiopia, more than a decade ago launched DS and it is working on it. Double digit economical development exhibited in Ethiopia is because of DS. Ethiopia aspire to be a prosperous and democratic country by the help of DS. It is work in process. They have to pass through many challenges and ups and down. So far they are doing well.

            regards,
            S

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sabri,

            According Wade, the “pictures of centralized state interacting with private sector to secure development objective does not provide a rigorous theory ( Wade 1990:27). Your argument doesn’t really give with certainity the transition to democracy. Since African dvelopmental states are patrimonial states, they always lacks development leadership. There are no clear distinctive theoretical imperatives especially for African countries so far. In my view they are trying it by try and error without sound theoretical foundations.. Since you are very interested on it can you compare and contrast it with “predatory states” and “patrimonial states.” I will get back to you this evening.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • sabri

            Anta Emma,

            You wrote “Since African dvelopmental states are patrimonial states, they always lacks development leadership.” You are wrong. In the first place you can’t be patrimonial and DS at the same time. Basically DS doesn’t allow patrimonialism for the sole reason the two are contradictory.

            Patrimonialism is a typical character of dictatorial rule where all power is vested in one man- the leader. No interest to develop the nation. Only interested in self-service governance. How can you link this with DS? You are amazing. I welcome critic but do it please with sound argument.

  • Abi

    Truth
    I see Hope in you . I smell Hope in you . Just when I was losing Hope , I found it in you. Stay around. Don’t change.
    Wedaj zemedoche ejig dess bilognal
    Tesfaye wede Ewnet teqeyirolignal
    Hedebign biye Tesfayen hod bisot
    Ewnet hono meTa awatachin nafqot

  • Mizaan1

    Truth or Hope, which one are you? I shouldn’t have to reply to your idiotic crocodile tears post but tell me who you are first, and then I will reply to you. Morxx!

    • haileTG

      Mizaan..Lol, that is funny:-)

    • selam

      Dear Mizaan
      You are the last person to ask about name .may niakeb . kind of not normal for you .

    • Abi

      Hey Mizaan1
      Hopefully he will come with tha famous ” addendum ” Just wait.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Selam,
    Hahaha, why only my poems. you may love my structure too. I may have more qualities when you see me. just wait and see.

    • selam

      Dear K.S
      i only compare your poem and political comments. Why will you advertise your body structure ? it is kind of cheap because i am sure you are not a sport man.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,
        why you are sure if still didn’t see me? That is one of the correction you should make in life, don’t ever calculate without formula. how do you say I am no sport man? why don’t you wait some time ?

        • selam

          Dear K.S
          why will i wait ,i did not have short memory sir. Do not you register your comments.
          It is simple ,just remembering the defeat of ELF from 1980 will do all the age calculation ,no formula.Count how many years up to now ?`You probably come to ELF at the age of 20 and then ,do you want me to continue counting. For K.S sake just come soon with your poems because i am hungry to read them all or listen them all.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            sure just some time please. regarding the calculation you make about years, it is not far from reality

    • Mahmud Saleh

      dear KS and dearest selam
      Keep that courteous conversation going until I finish my Qahwa (boon/coffee). But keep it steady…no more xerftat.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear truth,
    excuse me, are you the same person who was using this pen name 2 years back? I am wondering if you are the one. although the man was perfect in explaining things as you do now but he was totally supporting PFDJ, if you are the one, I wonder how much you have changed.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Abi,
    is that ? qoy, ahun amarigha font teTqem ‘na lelawn bhuala.

  • haileTG

    Dear Truth, I am afraid that is the brutal truth at the heart of it all. True, history has recorded the facts and I have little to add to what you have put it in black and white.

    Thanks

  • saay7

    Selamat Truth:

    I think if we think that only opportunists and people fearful of retribution/retaliation support the Eritrean government, we miss out on what I consider a very large group who is represented by neither. And that’s the group that believes in the programs of the PFDJ. That is: people whose values are aligned with that of the PFDJ. Let me explain.

    I don’t know if you had a chance to read it, but I had re-published a survey I had run in 1997. I believe that the positions expressed then by the supporters of the PFDJ are the same as the ones expressed now and the best way I can summarize it is “participatory developmental state.”

    The concept of “developmental state” is well know: it is what made the East Asian Tigers what they are now. It is one where the country focuses in advancing the interest of the “social citizen” (plural) over that of the citizen (individual.) It is a formula for rapid and sustained growth. Such states, in their infancy, were notorious for violating citizens civil liberties (South Korea, Singapore.) Now, given the criticism, some countries came up with a qualifier to “developmental state”: Ethiopia, for example, calls itself “democratic developmental state.” Of course, it gets criticized (rightly, in my opinion) that it is not very democratic at all. And its answer is: double-digit growth, baby! In PFDJ’s definition of democracy, the most important feature is not election but participation. That’s why I dub it as “participatory developmental state.” More precisely, it is “mandatory participation developmental state.”

    By participatory, it means, the government will “for a limited time” (2 or 3 decades) be the maestro leading the orchestra, and everybody I mean everybody is supposed to pick up an instrument and play a tune. (Only the government decides if the music is out of tune.) What does this mean in practical terms? Well back to my summary of the survey of what I think the grassroots PFDJ supporter and its intellectual class believe:

    (a) On economy: chart your own model: export-based following investment in agriculture and industry and attractive investment package to investors; invest in HR, infrastructure; a mixed economy with government partnering with private sector. (b) On peace & stability: worry about the neighborhood, take good care to make sure there is no income disparity (between rural/urban; east/west; north/south) and no social polarization. (c) On governance: Fear one-party states, but don’t import wholesale ideas from the West. Political pluralism is necessary but it should be phased in slowly. (d) On civil liberties: press should be regulated; individual rights should be subservient to demands of State security.

    In other words, it is a value system that gives a lot of faith and goodwill to the government: except, except, except in one area: Due Process. All Eritreans, including PFDJ supporters, believe that a government should not, cannot arrest Eritreans without due process. And to overcome this, the PFDJ government has created a make-believe no-peace-no-war environment (a hoax) and it frequently pretends that it is, as Texans put it, “fixing to get ready” to write a consititution, an investment law, a penal code, a civil code.

    All governments in the world want to say in power forever. The way the PFDJ has done it is the most non-creative way: an environment of war, clouds of war, real war because it doesn’t have faith in its ability to deliver on the things that could make it a virtually-forever government: one which governs with the consent of the governed.

    I have yet to meet a PFDJ supporter who says “I am glad my government has arrested all the people it has arrested: they deserve it.” What they do is minimize the number who have been arrested, they rationalize it (they must have had a good national security reasons for arresting them), then they buy into the hoax of no-war-no-peace, as if the government cannot take any initiative to bring creative ways of breaking through the logjam.

    saay

    • selam

      Dear Saay
      You have explained clrealy to the point ,i think we need to engage more openly with these people ,disspising and harasing ,as well as insulting is not enough . We need to engage more consistently. As you know there is no also one side of opposing and supporting PFDJ. Both sides failure to engage is the reason that killing Eritreans and Eritrea.

    • Nitricc

      Hi SAAY; few points here. it is okay for the government to arrest; the problem is not seeing a day in a court. you can arrest me but if i can’t defend my self and i have no idea why i am arrested? we got a problem. regarding the no peace no war; you are not being fair. it was created by the Ethiopian government. if they had accepted to what they had agreed for; there is no; no war no peace. for any lasting peace; and at any cost, let the rule of law take care the borderer problem. look what Ethiopia is doing to Kenya? they keep attacking the Kenyans on their own land. let the rule of law do its thing.
      creative? how creative can one be when Ethiopia refused to accept what agreed for in the front of the world? if they can deny and refuse what the have agreed in the front of the world; what makes you work an agreement in behind close doors?

      • saay7

        Hi Nitriccay:

        Where we agree and disagree:

        1. I think we are saying the same thing on arrests: our emphasis is on due process: a day in court, self-defense, burden of proof on the government, followed by a verdict, followed by, if found guilty, family visitation rights. By the way, I consider all Eritreans who are in the National Service beginning Month 19 of their service as people in prison without due process.

        2. The No-War-No-Peace: the eritrean government’s position now is as it has been since 2004: to blame the US and Ethiopia. But blaming is not a solution. Isn’t that why you call the opposition “toothless”? The government has an obligation to find a solution. If Plan A doesn’t work, Plan B is not bemoaning why Plan A didn’t work, but to come up with creative ways to solve it. I actually can think of 2 right now and I am not that smart and not even in the government:)

        saay

      • Semere Andom

        Nitricc:
        No, it not simply ok for a government to arrest you as Sal touched in broadly, the onus is on the government o follow rule of law when arresting you. If it arrests you in the process decimating your reputation and livehood, only allowing you to defend yourself in court of law is not enough, the court of law must be involved in issuing warranty to the law enforcement, that is why you have the branches of law enforcement, judiciary and law makers.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Semere
          Nitrickay’s short answer doesn’t realy differ in substance from your broad analysis. So, give him a credit, buddy; come on, be generous. While I understand your stress on curbing powers and overeach of the government, you know law enforcement agents have leeways and tricks on arresting citizens. All they need is that they should feel they have a reasonable cause. What’s reasonable to one cop may not be reasonable to another, and that’s why as nitcikay said people have to have their day in court and be able to defend themselves.

      • selam

        Dear Nitricc
        weyane are happy because they think they are peeling the infriority issues. Lets be honest here PFDJ should put the Eritrean peoples interest instead of their failed policy. Weyane is guilty in all possible way. I am wondering what will the tigray based opposition say about badme if they got the chance to sit on the throne.

        • Abi

          Selam Asmara tsbuqti
          Are we still talking about inferiority / superiority issues in June of 2015 ?
          There is no tigry based opposition. There are ethiopia based oppositions.

          • selam

            Dear Abi

            you still have the chance to tell us who we call our eritrean political oppositions , are you still trying to cheat the independence of these groups, How on earth an ethiopian who is quilty on every level of his life for not recongnizing the suffering of Eritreans by his father and grandfathers are able to debate in Eritrean issues? You come an invited and you go out from our fest with out eating. This is not your consern and this is not even your little Abysssinia game. WE define them as Tigray based opposition . Let the people who have deep rooted experience about Tigray based conferences talk .Not you.

          • Abi

            Selam Selamina
            Asmara metsina
            I don’t need any invitation at all . I am the one hosting the ” fest” .
            My fathers and grandfathers are angels. They give from the little they have. They are known for that.
            Selam, don’t shift the goalpost. What prompted my comment is the ” inferiority issue.”
            There is no “little Abyssinia ” at all . There is ” Mighty Abyssinia.” She is roaring, Watch ooooouuutttt!!!
            We are coming back to take over Assab( I need the port)massawa? Nice beach) bisha ( all the gold) , asmara ( everything including Selam tsbuqti) keren( I love full) mendefera is also mine. If you don’t agree I will send each one of you to the Sahel mountains.
            I’m not as kind and angelic as my father and grandfather.
            No more suffering! I’m the King. You don’t invite a King.
            Selam, you are ordered to attend my party. You are not invited.
            Take it easy.
            PS.
            Badime? It is all yours. You can take it today.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            Your father and grandfather was crying loudly all over the places you mentioned . We help them drink and walk to Ethiopia ,I am sure some of them are dead on the way, Their last breath was asking ,how will I put this , wuha sitlign ,wuha ,eske Mariam QULIBI wuha stinn. At the last our they could not name their sons name ,so do they say are dead. Now The Fest is our fest and you can go party with your 100% win over the election. I hate to entertain people like you who are here just to crack the diamond . Well here is the good news ,your Abyssinia can roar even to the height of china ,so do south korea the truth still hurts . Truth ,truth , we do not lie and we do not cheat , we get what is ours and we name what is ours. Here you are spending 43.3% your time in awate.com telling us ,you are good at local language poems which is 1% of eritreans do not understand. Your Amharic short poems may be good to some Addis grown short sighted Eritreans but not for me , Selam defines things on her own , You may feel content due to our current suffering and I can sense your urgency to spit all over us but what keeps you in check is that, We are Eritreans and nothing is beyond our reach when the times come ,all men should be dead and the truth should rule. Your dream for Eritrea to be Somalia have been dead long time ago .

          • Abi

            Selam
            Did you give water for my fathers or watched them die? I tell you what? You are right a lot of them died on their way home . Congrats ! You showed them your superior generosity.
            Water? Shame! Shame! Shame !
            Somethings are better untold.
            You repeated the same atrocities against the Jehovah’s witnesses. You sang ” Jehovah may bela” or something like that.
            What else is new?

          • selam

            Dear Abi

            You seem to regret for your fathers action .Now did i gave them water ,not really . Jehovah ,who are they any way ? Did they fight for the freedom of Eritrea from your father ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam and Abi,

            do you think we will gain or get something out of your debate above? if not drop it.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I think it is good for Abi to know there are Eritreans who do not give a dime ,what the southerners said and wish about Eritrea.

      • YAY

        Dear Nitricc: The right to go to court before imprisonment is dependent on other situations

        Is President Issaias Afwerki (PIA), because he detains individuals without trial in cases of
        emergencies, a primary ALLY or ENEMY to the Eritrean people?

        Does Ethiopia threaten Eritrea with violence, YES or NO?

        Is a force that threatens your nation with violence a FRIEND or FOE?

        The Opposition has problems, small and big or simple and fundamental, of various kinds. They do not trust each other, they wanted to form a united front but do not want to use democratic principles to reach at common goals, they seek justice they cannot clearly identify/explain,
        and they lack commitment that matches their cause, if they have any common cause. The Opposition could not seriously identify who is a FRIEND or FOE of the people or nation of Eritrea. So they desire to make PIA their main focus of propaganda, which the majority seem to dismiss without hesitation. The only traction the Opposition might have is that individuals are detained without trial, when one does not ask if PIA has justice on his side to do so as a President. See, for example, the confusion displayed in http://assenna.com/the-weyane-syndrome-last/

        Melless Zenawi, in March 2011, publicly said, “We will work towards changing Eritrea’s policies or its government. This could be done diplomatically, politically or through other means.” He clearly implied war.
        http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/ethiopia-meles-zenawi-s-war-threat-against-eritrea?blog=15

        Another source, in a news analysis entitled “Ethiopia Threatens to Oust Eritrea Govt
        Officials Say Ethiopia Abandons ‘Defensive’ Policy ,” puts as follows: The officials say Ethiopia has
        officially abandoned its “defensive” policy and now intends to be “proactive”
        about toppling Eritrea.
        http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/20/ethiopia-threatens-to-oust-eritrea-govt/

        In January 2012, the Ethiopian government officially reportedly stated as follows:
        Ethiopia says it will “ be obliged to take whatever action is necessary to stop the activities of the Eritrean regime once and for all” unless the international community “assumes its responsibilities
        and takes the necessary steps to bring this abominable behavior to an end.”

        Even Awate.com has confirmed that Ethiopia had changed its policy towards Eritrea by reporting that Ethiopia was “abandoning “passive defense” in favor of more aggressive posture”.
        http://awate.com/prime-minister-meles-zenawi-no-longer-playing-defense/

        In 2012, it was again reported that , “Ethiopia says it will “ be obliged to take whatever action is necessary to stop the activities of the Eritrean regime once and for all” unless the international community “assumes its responsibilities and takes the necessary steps to bring this abominable behavior to an end.”
        http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article41346

        Detainees are in prison before they were brought to court, and this is seen by some as a betrayal of comrades-in-arms, individual rights and liberties, and the rule of law, despotic, etc. Such actions are, however, done in democratic countries like the USA. A clear example of this are American detainees in Guantanamo, Cuba and President Abraham Lincoln’s detention of people without trial during an emergency (the US Civil War). The fact that such actions are not necessarily despotic or betrayal of individual liberties, and that it could be legitimate to suspend such rights if and when a nation faces rebellion or invasion or public safety requires it, is explained by David Greenberg as follows:
        First a definition: The Latin phrase habeas corpus means “you have the body.” The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus refers to a common-law tradition that establishes a person’s right to appear before a judge before being imprisoned. When a judge issues the writ, he commands a government official to bring a prisoner before the court so he can assess the legality of the prisoner’s detention. When the privilege of the writ is suspended, the prisoner is denied the right to secure such a writ and therefore can be held without trial indefinitely. Habeas corpus is the only common-law tradition enshrined in the Constitution, which also explicitly defines when it can be
        overridden. Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution says, “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.”
        http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2001/11/lincolns_crackdown.html

        I have argued for some time now that the Opposition has a common goal that, in my judgment, is too big (to destroy the PFDJ and the Government of Eritrea) for them, and too wrong for the nation of Eritrea. For that reason they are seeking foreign forces to do it for them, including Weyane/EPRDF-Ethiopia, that our nation was recently at war against. That war has yet to end, for we only had a Cessation of Hostilities Agreement. I urge the Opposition to recognize that they are part of the State of Eritrea (which is under the process of being established), and the State of Ethiopia has not ended its last war with the State of Eritrea. By definition, two states that are at a continued war by all means are enemies to each other. The war has to end for them to be at peace and friendly.

        The Opposition’s error is, I believe, for thinking that its internal adversary (PIA and the government he leads) is the enemy of the State of Eritrea (i.e. the organized form of the Eritrean people at the national level). It is not right to elevate PIA (an internal political adversary and leader of a patriotic party that you want to replace by winning a democratic election) to the level of ‘enemy of the People/State/Nation’ because PIA has done things that some of us do not
        like/prefer (extended National Service, limiting certain liberties, controlling situations, making ultimate decisions, delaying the making and of Laws, giving the government first priority in using available foreign exchanges, thus, slowing down private businesses, etc.) while leading the current government. And the biggest of all weaknesses of the Opposition is its position of not having an alternative program of jointly working with the PFDJ or the Government of the State of Eritrea, and denying itself some ears from the majority of individual members of the Eritrean
        people.

        • saay7

          Selamat YAY:

          Welcome back; it has been a very long time since I read your contribution, which is always food for thought–and always well-argued.

          Now, then. On President Lincoln’s suspension of writ of habeas corpus (the principle that forces a government to make its case why it is detaining someone), I have heard that argument made before whenever someone is using it as precedence to justify the Eritrean government’s decision to hold people without due process. Here is where the analogy breaks apart:

          1. When Lincoln did it, the United States was in the middle or initial stages of a civil war and the persons Lincoln held without charges were people who refused direct government order in war-logistics related matters. Not comparable to Eritrea at all.
          2. Lincoln’s decisions were challenged by two branches of government: legislature and judiciary. Not comparable to Eritrea at all: there is no legislative or judiciary arms that have any enumerated powers to check the executive.
          3. The actions Lincoln took were against a handful of individuals. Not comparable to Eritrea at all: the Eritrean government has held, and continues to hold thousands of Eritreans without charge or due process.
          4. The period in question, during America’s Civil War, last at most 4 years (1861-1865.) Not comparable at all to Eritrea: it has been going on, in some cases since 1994 (that we know of) and, given that SOME EPLF FIGHTERS ENTERED ERITREA WHILE DETAINED AND CONTINUED TO BE DETAINED, it clearly has been going on for much earlier. That is over 20 years.
          5. Ultimately, the decisions Lincoln took were found out to be unconstitutional and wrong.

          So of all the examples the United States can give us on how to be the oldest continuously democratic country that respects the civil liberties of its own citizens, why do we want to use the exceptions and not the rule?

          saay

          • YAY

            Dear SAAY: Scrutinize my opinion, but tell me the Opposition’s and PIA/PFDJ’s common ground

            Was Lincoln wrong in suspending the right of an individual to see a judge before being taken to prison? It was controversial then as it is now, and we are not going to resolve this matter very easily. The US Constitution was not particularly clear as to which branch of government should implement the law, but Abraham Lincoln argued before Congress that he had acted as he did out of necessity to stop “the Government itself go to pieces” or ” be overthrown”. http://harvardmagazine.com/2009/01/the-war-the-writ

            I tend to agree more with the following assessment: “Legally, Lincoln felt he was on firm ground. The Constitution, after all, explicitly grants the government the power to suspend habeas corpus “in cases of rebellion or invasion,” though it is not clear on whether this power resides with Congress or the president. In either case, before the war was over, the Union would face both rebellion and invasion, and in 1863, Congress passed a law, the Habeas Corpus Indemnity Act, in support of Lincoln.”
            http://www.usnews.com/news/history/articles/2009/02/10/revoking-civil-liberties-lincolns-constitutional-dilemma

            Unlike that of Eritrea, America, at least, had an agreed-upon constitution and a duly established state. Lincoln’s argument gives us a clue as to what a lawful leader & Co. could do if the government was on the verge of going to pieces or being overthrown. It would be necessary to take action to save the government, for no one has the freedom to destroy the government of the state. That is what I suppose happened with Lincoln on April 27, 1861 and similarly with PIA & Co. on September 18, 2001. What is comparable is not the details of each but the essence of both actions in two differing forms of government and 140 years apart is the same—i.e. saving a government from unlawful destruction and during an unfinished war, two emergencies at once, and that the right of anyone (citizen or alien, one or many) to be brought to a court of law
            before detention is suspended.

            The main point is that habeas corpus is appropriately done in peaceful times (usually within a few days— 48 to 72 hours, or enough time to transport the person to the nearest court), and it is often suspended in times of emergency, out of necessity.

            As you said I have read of some Eritreans who were detained before the border war. I am not here to argue that the PFDJ or the GoER is without faults. The two have many shortcomings and make mistakes. The only thing I can say is that the current GoER is a transitional government and that it is possible for it to use what might be expedient from the laws of the EPLF, the PFDJ, and those in the making, at the same time.

            That said, the question is: in your assessment, what fruitful achievements have the Opposition done on habeas corpus to benefit Eritrea(ns)? How many people have the Opposition saved from detention or jail by collaborating with enemies of the State of Eritrea, or through their activities of trying to destroy PFDJ or the GoER? It is my belief that the Opposition could have done better things for the Eritrean people if they have had worked in the formation of institutions (organization, codes of law, regulations, etc) that, for instance, research on issues, advise, influence, educate, and convince the GoER while at the same time jointly standing against the adversaries of the nation.

            Couldn’t the Opposition organize a liaison office (for instance, out of former/current members of the Hagerawi Baiyto, PFDJ members, and/or GoER sympathizers) that could directly channel the grievances, complaints, requests, views and recommendations of individual members of the Eritrean people to the GoER and support changes for the better with all available
            resources, and ease the impact of Eritrea’s dire conditions on the general public? If the Opposition are patriotic nationalists, what is the Opposition’s common ground with PFDJ?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi YAY:
            You have invoked the great emancipator and the dark side of his presidency when he suspended the h.corpse. Although you admitted that PFDJ and GoE make mistakes, you have subtly defended the action of PFDJ, in effect apologized for its crimes by comparing it to Lincoln;s As you mentioned in passing USA had implemented constitution and legally, democratically elected president in Ab Lincoln. You analogy is wrong not only in comparison but also in calling what PFDJ is doing mistakes, the emergence of Eritrea and USA cannot be more different, during the period you are wrongly comparing, USA had opposition party and a supreme court that challenged disagreed with Lincoln and none of them were fired or sent to prison
            Also you continued with the opposition, the opposition had many failures , but its failures are not its lack of collaboration with PFDJ, to blame them for that they have to first be allowed legally to function safely in Eritrea, they cannot be blamed for not collaborating for a government that does not even consider them Eritreans and what common ground are you taking about? Although we call them the opposition for convenience, they are not your typical opposition where they are there to challenge and correct the government that is in power by the will of the people, the better analogy is that they are like what EPLF was when Dergi was ruling Eritrea, even worse EPLF had a couple of chances to negotiate with Dergi
            But I agree with you, the opposition could have done better to help the refuges outside Eritrea by attacking the Rashaida villages to avenge and release the Eritean who are victims of organs trafficking and even , they could have worked better in Sudan to protect and hunt human traffickers, they could also target PFDJ in the diaspora to expose their crimes to the hose countries, there are many Eritrean criminals in the churches and communities in the diaspora and must be targeted in the same manner the Israelies are still targeting the SS and Nazi members.

          • YAY

            Dear Semere Andom, It is a must that we, Eritreans, work jointly with the Government of Eritrea
            kemey alokha ti-Inakha?

            Every human being cannot live on without making mistakes. I don’t know about you, but I make mistakes every day. those who run governments throughout the world make mistakes, small and big; and since those who run the PFDJ and GoER are also human beings, it is a foregone conclusion that they have made mistakes, are making mistakes, and will make mistakes. But as they did and are doing it now, they try to correct or improve their practices as they go along. I read that you frequently raise the G-15, or Eela-Eero issues, and I will say a few words.

            I do not think President Issaias’s and Secretary General Alamin’s joint decision to detain G-15 members was a mistake. The G-15 rebelled against the President and the General
            Secretary and they were making calls for members of the Front, the people, and the army to rise up against them and stop them from running the affairs of the nation. I am of the opinion that detaining them might have eliminated public strife during an unfinished war, or even civil war (which could have been one emotional person’s single trigger-pull away). I also believe that it was the right decision not to kill them for accusations of “treason”.

            But I think that it was a mistake for the GoER to state that it will let the public know more about the G-15 later on and fail to do it, and as a result let Eritreans and foreign governments make up their own theories. I also think that keeping them in detention for a long time without being more specific about the reasons is a political mistake. It angers some people and is not politically beneficial to the President, the PFDJ, the GoER, and ultimately the State of Eritrea.

            I urge the GoER to review their cases and find a way (for example, set up a Commission of Detention Review and review each case and report back to the authorities—Hagerawi Baiyto, or Ministry of Justice, or Department of National Security, or Department of Defence, or President’s Office, or a joint body— with recommendations: options could be allowing family visitation, a day in court, banishment, re-habilitation and re-integration back to society, participation in consulting the Constitution drafters, etc.) to address their and others’ cases. Doing nothing about them
            does frustrate more and more people, and something definite must be done about
            all detainees.

            Semere, you are waiting for the GoER to recognize you first and work with them. It might not work that way. An opposition would be noticed if it is creative and progressive and finds something that they can do jointly with the GoER–i.e. something that is beneficial to both and the people/nation. If your aim is to count PIA’s
            “mistakes” and “crimes”, or if your means of struggle is to topple the GoER through Ethiopia’s invasion of Eritrea, it would not help. To change the attitude of the GoER, you have to change too. The Opposition should make it their purpose to devise ways and make the GoER acknowledge them. The junior party should take repeated initiatives to be willing to work with PFDJ
            or GoER, for the best interests of our people and nation. That is my message to the Opposition.

          • Semere Andom

            Dear YAY:

            Thanks God, I am doing excellent, “amsgine neamsgani”

            Now let me tackle your tired and falsehoods taken from the play book of PFDJ

            On IA and Alamni arresting G-15, no IA arrested them the later has no say. And you are justifying their arrest on the grounds that he was the president, if he was then, the body that elected him could impeach and remove him. So you are wrong and I am not sure why Sal was impressed by you and your points so far are disappointment, just because someone can mention Lincoln does not mean he is using logic.

            You are still calling the arrest of political dissents a mistake like any human makes, if IA wanted to quell the rhetoric he could have banned free press, without arresting the innocent young writers and could have stifled the freedom of speech, which did not exist anyways for a cooling period. The G-15, I think a risk of their lives and at the risk of future dissidents, they were courageous, but naïve and never learned from their history of association with IA. It was a suicide letter, they were let down by their comrades and the Eritrean people, they have paid with their blood to cleanse their crimes which they committed with their former alliances with IA. Eritrea missed a golden opportunity in 2001

            And you made more stupid points by saying the IA to review the G-15 case, you forgot to say that he also need to produce the dead.

            The opposition was creative in the beginning, maybe you your idea of Eritrean opposition started after the war, but the ELF-RC suspended their military wing after independence to channel their energies to the democratic process and the giddy Eritrean people were making plans to receive them when the IA cancelled their arrival. To begin with the opposition should not be in exile they should be in Eritrea and this fact makes them like EPLF during the Dergi era

            You keep calling the arrest of the G-15 a mistake, no YAY, it is a crime, and their blood is on the hands of IA,

            The opposition should have been a in a position to threaten the IA regime, they failed on that but the opposition cannot be blamed for not collaborating with the PFDJ, your assertion re laughable

            The soon to be released UN report and the Eritreans talking from Ethiopia is another nail on the PFDJ coffin, it may not be the last nail, but a painful nail nonetheless.

            It is a travesty for Lincoln invoking call the disappears of the G-15 and along with them thousands of innocent Eritreans a mistake, whatever goodwill IA earned in his supposedly heroic leadership during the armed struggle has been foolishly squander by him. He successfully invented himself and successfully tarnished his “worqawi qalat”

          • saay7

            Selamat Yay:

            The issue here is that the similarity between what Isaias Afwerki did on September 18, 2001 and the Executive Order that Abraham Lincoln issued on April 27, 1861 is so negligible as to be non-existent.

            Begin with what Lincoln did. A duly elected president (Lincoln), facing a secessionist war, issued an executive order (within the authority of his government) instructing the “Commanding General of the Army of the United States” to suspend the writ of habeas corpus if and only if the opposing side endangers “public safety.” The executive order was very narrowly defined–to ensure that the Union’s ability to wage war was not obstructed by logistics. He consulted with Congress. Congress, two years after the fact, eventually agreed with his decision. The suspension was for the duration of the war (1861-1865).

            Now compare that with September 18, 2001. First of all, the only difference between September 18, 2001 and Any Month, Any Day, Any Year before and after is that FAMOUS PEOPLE were arrested. So, you cannot use the war as rationale for the arrest. Secondly, the president had no authority–and referenced no law, no article, and no chapter to make his arrests. In fact, do you know why they are accused of? Should I rely on what Negash Zerai wrote on Shaebia.org when they were arrested? Should I rely on what the National Assembly said? Should I rely on the president tells the media (always by foreign media; state media are never allowed to ask the question)? And if so, which one? Is “capitulation” a crime? Is “defeatism” a crime?

            You know how to count and you know how many days it has been since September 18, 2001.

            The issue is not whether a government makes mistakes or has shortcomings. That is not what we are discussing. What we are discussing is whether a government has abused its power and is illegally holding citizens in prison because it doesn’t want their voices heard by other citizens. That is not a mistake or a shortcoming but a crime.

            As to what the opposition can do, the President has made it clear repeatedly that he has no interest in wasting his time talking to “messengers” when he can talk, if he chooses to, with the “senders.” Since he views all of us in the opposition as messengers–messengers of Weyane, messengers of CIA, messengers of the hegemonic group–he has closed the door to any dialogue with any Eritrean. Notwithstanding that, there are many Eritreans, some legal professionals, who have written reams of papers pointing out the errors in the decisions the president and his group have made, and they have been given deaf ear.

            As for the “liaison office”, some of us in the Diaspora (in the US) had a Diaspora Constituency representative (that we didn’t elect; he was appointed)….he went to Eritrea in January 2001 and he joined his comrades in the National Assembly to say the following:

            On the basis of the report and taking note of the atmosphere that prevailed in its previous session and the accusations and destructive comments made by these former officials , as well as the developments of the past year, the National Assembly condemned them for the grave crimes they committed against the nation and the people. It also affirmed that as a result of the crime of betrayal and defeatism they committed the members of this group have dismissed themselves from the National Assembly. Furthermore, it expressed full support for the patience and self-restraint with which the government has handled the matter and mandated it to treat the issue appropriately and bring it to conclusion. It also resolved that the report presented to it should be made public so that the people will be able to have a full picture of the issue.

            https://web.archive.org/web/20020326094932/http://shaebia.org/

            So, that was 17 years ago and we are still waiting for the “full picture.”

            saay

        • haileTG

          Dear YAY,

          So, in the parlance of your convoluted reasoning:

          In the case of the brutalization, distraction and decimation of Eritrea:

          Motive: Ethiopia

          Justification: Opposition

          You hereby find the the Eritrean people guilty as charged and deserving of what is meted out by their tormentor.

          ወይ ጉድ፡ ሓቁ’ድዩ ፋሕ ብትን ክብል እዚ መንእሰይ፡ መጀበሳት ኣይትሰኣኑ።

    • haileTG

      Dear saay,

      I like your ideas and wishes. They can even be considered based in hope for better days. How do we start to implement them though? Ideally, it would be nice if there were parliamentarians who would argue the disadvantages of “mandatory participatory developmental state” and the benefits of “constitutional participatory developmental state”. The small glitch with that is more than half of them are by now killed, jailed or exiled. OK let’s pass that as a small inconvenience. Assume that I gather 22 Ph.d. Eritreans to call upon the remaining “cabinet” to convince them that “constitutional participatory developmental state” is a better alternative to “mandatory participatory developmental state”. Another small glitch with that is they can no longer be buried in Eritrea let alone visit it alive. They were announced to be the other face of Ms Sheila B. Keetharuth and part of the Ethiopian grand designs. OK let me pass that small glitch and pick up the phone to a regime supporter and tell them that myself. What is the chances that will do it?

      Secondly, be it as it may, is Eritrea’s current crisis bear any relation to such ideological differences. Do I need to convince a regime supporter to at least stop supporting because of the none stope tragedies that is tearing our society apart? Aren’t they assumed to be interested in matters of “developmental state”? Again, if the challenge we are dealing with is the inability of people to break silence, then how are they expected not only to break the silence but also go on to cause others to change their ideological stand? Wouldn’t it be better to just get them to admit that we’re actually screwed?

      Finally, If the supporters are great believers of this so called ideology, why are not they selling it? The only thing they are selling US this, Ethiopia that and they have nothing by way of developmental state argument.

      I think there is nothing that can be explained by developmental state or otherwise when the nation is holding for its life under grave crisis. ኣቦይን ኣደይን በበይኑ ጸሎቶም ከይከውን ንምሸቱ። Eritrea’s problems are moral problems as you shared yesterday in the tragic events. Once we are beyond that bridge, it would make every sense to have the kind of discussions you are proposing among Eritreans of all views and tendencies.

      Now may not be the time.

      Regards

      • saay7

        Selamat Hailat:

        I feel quoting foreigners when we probably have equally wise sayings in our traditions (maybe Abi can give us an Amharic version) but what we are talking about is what a Chinese warrior-philosopher Sun Tzu wrote down thousands of years ago: “Know Thy Enemy.” In this particular case “Know Thy Opponent.” Hundreds of years later revolutionaries like Lenin fine tuned this…but it comes down to: Who Is PFDJ (which I don’t care about) and Who Still Supports The PFDJ, which I care a lot about because, unless one is advocating a full-out war, our victory is going to depend on winning public opinion decisively in our favor.

        Part of the battle of ideas WITHIN the opposition (largely defined) has been about defining the PFDJ-followers. I find the description of them as “opportunistic, frightened and koboro-junkies” very simplistic, cartoonish and as wildly off-mark as the ones I used to hear in the 1990s: “they are crusaders, they are Tigrinya Chauvinists, they are land-grabbers” etc.

        Here’s what I am saying Hailat and I have a sense that you are, or have been, in a unique position to know this. When the PFDJ is giving its poleticawi astemhro, and its “hzbawi seminar”, when it is giving pages and pages of updates on Hadas Ertra, on shabait.com, on Eri-TV, what consumes its time and its space? What is it celebrating? What is it counting as achievement?

        Here’s today’s shabait.com (in English):http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news
        Here’s this week’s Hadas Ertra (in Tigrinya): http://50.7.16.234/hadas-eritrea/haddas_ertra_06062015.pdf
        Here’s this week’s Ertra Hadas (in Tigrayit): http://50.7.16.234/hadas-eritrea/eritrea_haddas_20052015.pdf (notice emphasis on celebration of Tigre books)
        Here’s Eri-TV: (notice what it leads with):http://eastafro.com/2015/06/06/video-eritrean-eri-tv-news-june-6-2015/

        It is non-stop “participatory developmental state.”

        Now, what to do about it. This website has taken two strategies: (a) cover news that is never, ever covered by the government. That is what is the cost that Eritreans are paying for this “development state”? and (b) Is the claim that the government is making that it is actually developing factual?

        The developmental state is a continuation of the Ghedli-state-in-waiting: back then, it was “sacrifice now, results later.” Right now, it is also “sacrifice now, results later.”

        You ask an excellent question about the trade-off: would a supporter of the ‘participatory developmental state’ willingly pay the price if he was told in advance what the cost is or even if, in real time, he was told to pay it. Well, this is not hypothetical at all. The same people who say “sacrifice now, results later” are, when it hits home, quick to smuggle their family members out of the country. They are hypocrites. But, you may think this is a distinction without a difference, are they proud of their hypocrisy or ashamed? In other words, would Isaias Afwerki, the architect of “sacrifice now, results later” ever allow his immediate family members, with his full knowledge, escape the country OR would he go out of his way to show that the same “sacrifice now, results later” also applies to his own children?

        So, to summarize what I said, that it may be easy and convenient to label all PFDJ supporters as “opportunists, sadists and party animals” but I think that is self-deception. The harder work is to show that the sacrifice being demanded of Eritreans is unreasonable: (National Service: we did make progress on this, I believe, because the PFDJ leaders are at least paying lip-service to having reversed their insane unlimited conscription; Arrest Without Due Process: we have made not much progress on this and I think that is the one that is achille’s heel of the regime.) Part of what makes our job hard is not just that we in the opposition have a divergence on defining the nature of PFDJ (we shouldn’t be dishearted by this; it is quite common among all exiled opposition everywhere) and the other reason is epistemology: how do we know what we know? The PFDJ bosses have convinced a large segment of their followers that if it is not in Eri-TV, it is not true. Is this because they are brain-washed, dumb, etc? I don’t think so. It is because the alternative media has made some strategic blunders that the PFDJ bosses have capitalized on.

        To be continued. I just remembered it is Sunday:)

        saay

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Saay, you have masterfully apologized for the PFDJ and pretentiously criticized them for disappearing people without due process. Just as you assign people here to ask 20 people for a survey, I like you to find out what the ratio of the disappeared people without due process to those who left their loved ones in extremely treacherous journeys and those who lost their lives in that road.

      Take one position against or for PFDJ and stick to it. Don’t create mass confusion by brilliantly highlighting their incredible policies. I can list examples but no need to repeat what you said except for one that you drew analogies with the East Asian Tigers policies and relating that with PFDJ policies. This is an extreme form of sugar coating. I am appalled if you care.

      • saay7

        Selamat Mizaan:

        You are missing the point. It’s not the brilliance (or lack thereof) of PFDJ policies. It’s that when people say that PFDJ supporters are either (a) opportunists or (b) terrified folks, they are missing out on a large group (c) true believers of their program.

        Why is this relevant? If the objective is to peel people off the PFDJ, one must know what attracts people to the PFDJ to begin with. And, yes, while the go slow one party state may be suffocating, the free-for-all vision that some in our opposition promote is frightening.

        Of course, it is somewhat satisfying that those who don’t agree with you are all opportunists, sadists and masochists, but what’s satisfying is not always factual. The shorter version of all this is: know your opponent.

        saay

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Sal:
          Sorry “ab awel bunak ms Mizaan kribsheka”
          I think we agreed long time ago that if PFDJ has implemented their program of even that of 1977, Eritrea would be in better position, yea they would still repress Johavs and Pentes, but still the country will be way better off and those who support them in that would be called true believers of the program or believers in the road that leads to Singapore. But PFDJ has new program now and it is no program, a country ruled depending on the moods of one man and mostly moods of destruction and those who believe this one are either opportunities and/ or criminals. And yes,these are those who say yea, G-15 hray geberiwon sehyti adi. I think you are talking about the PFDJ you would have liked not the one you have now
          No, there is not satisfaction to call those who do not agree with you opportunities, because those who do not agree with you as in the liberals or the Tea party they are bound by rules and they believe their low taxes or high taxes for example are for the betterment of the people, yea in the heat of the debate you may call them opportunities, but that is hyperbole
          The PFDJ we have and their supporters they know their words and their programs, which is no program does not benefit the country, it benefits them , if not it benefits their passion for cruelty or their passion for ignorance.
          The survey of 19997 as you said was responded by mostly PFDJ supporters, who were just reiterating the EPLF program, which many thought and rightly will slowly transition the country to new era of democratic participation, that is the PFDJ of their dreams, the one we have now is just a bunch of groups with money and guns, an alliance of interests bonded by their former alliance of killing fraternity, the blind supporters are either protecting their investments and the investment can be in money or cruelty

  • haileTG

    Dear Truth,

    You make a good point in that regard as well. Thank you

  • selam

    From no one to No one.
    We are all editors of life. We cut and paste its daily beauty and pain with the sharp scissors of our minds on the canvas of humanity.As human beings we can only assimilate the world through selective perception of course some of our awate formures perception is way way negative. The more we train our perception, the more aware we become of the world around us, in its light and darkness. To accomudate the perception of darkness need no god no money but actual life lost or begin there .We turn into what we digest on a daily basis. Due to our spongy nature, we must absorb carefully unless there is this anknown shark.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Few questions regarding pen-names:

    Assume that what one writes here has no consequences in the political realms, i.e family at home or the likes.

    1) Considering that this is an open forum and not specialized group forum, are people encouraged to disclose their identity?

    2) If the answer is yes, what responsibility are those encouraging it prepared to take should things get out hand. Imagine a person faces abuses and attacks to themselves, to their family and on employment/trade, publicizing of their home addresses, other private issues of work, life and family; and this leads into something dangerous out there. Do we really think that there is a level control to safeguard the person being asked to furnish personal information to the whole wide world?

    3) One can never join political organization with a pen-name, even most articles require confidential disclosure of some personal info. But asking people to engage in otherwise than a safe manner in comments begs a question as to the rational behind it. What is it?

    4) Those people who use their real name, did they do so expressly for commenting purposes, or couldn’t avoid it because they also had to do more than that (commenting)t? [i.e things like being a prolific writer, member of organizations or being known personalities for other things they do..]. If their online purpose was to just comment and not directly linked to other activities they do (even in the opposition), would they still go by their real name?

    Regards

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Haile, the question should be, if we as the justice seekers, are doing a just thing by opposing the regime in Eritrea and writing to help bring about an end to that regime, why do we use pen-names? Fear is a very obvious answer. But fear of what? Fear of being not able to go back home? But then how many people are likely to go back home within a short period of time, say in the next year or two? Probably not too many. So you could lose that ‘privilege’ but you weren’t going to go to Eritrea within the next couple of years anyway, by which time, we hope the regime will be gone. This is where the power of PFDJ is formidable.

      • haileTG

        Dear Mizàan;

        Here is the way I am looking at it. Whether many or few, you can’t be challenging the system in pen name. When interacting in opinion exchanges alone, it doesn’t really require being at risk of damaging your trade/career, family or personal responsibilitis and relationships. I know people who lost their jobs and public positions for the type of online behaviour they engage in or comments they made. When you want to do something to oppose injustice in Eritrea, you will or must disclose your identity. Or your identity can’take be hidden. If for example I don’t participate in regime activities, don’t give it any support , would they not know at local level? Then if I join or initiate grassroots, how can I do it in pen name? Mizàan what I am saying is that exchanging opinions in forums isn’the considered an act that requires you being fired from your job tomorrow or putting your privacy for the whole world. That isn’the opposition and adds no values to what you do. According to research, the level of trust on a forum’s post isn’t affected by whether the writer used real name or not. That was a scientific research done using 2000 Disque users. The final point is that these comments don’the make us justice seekers. You have got to have something more going and that can’t be done in pen name because it is not possible to do so.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Hailat,

          “Whether many or few, you can’t be challenging the system in pen name.” Well said brother. That was my repetitive outcry I was making for years. Until the Eritrean people openly fight for justice the current status of our country will continue unabated. You can’t fight with fear behind pen-names. You can only fight with courage and full stamina to bring change. Change will not come without the sacrifice of your interest, expending the ultimate energy including the financial toll that comes with it. You can’t mobilize our people to engage and contribute to the struggle behind the pen-names. Courage is demanded to lead and to bring the required change.

          regards,

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            that is correct. we have done that with Derg, why not with PFDJ. Yet, it should also depend on where you are and what your role is. I don’t see why someone in democratic western nation have to hide his name.I can’t give the same position to someone who live in Sudan and has big jobs to do. we should also now we have people in Asmara and Arab countries who can’t move without the passport of Eritrea to have resident permit of the specific nation. some has Sudan’s passport, some Ethiopian..but for those with Eritrean passport it is beyond your imagination how much they are suffering- it is because we have bigger problems we are not discussing it In fact one of the points functional opposition talk about is the people in middle east. We have thousands you old people who forgot about the nation and just die one by one hopelessly. there are a lot of young boys girls who are already very much eager to participate in this struggle but trapped in between , forced to live and work cheap jobs. the case needs a wide serous discussion.

          • haileTG

            Dear Brother KS,

            Your IP is linked to your ISP and your ISP has the service contract that includes personal details, down to date of birth, drivers license or others info and home address. Can we really hide? The point is I think about going beyond commenting or not, if you do, there is no way to hide any of your basic info.

            Regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear haile,
            since I am in similar field I know very well about it. for your information that is very important place where PFDJ is suffering. you can also disappear if you know how.

            using pen name has different cases. sometime it is even to be away from other opposition whom you don’t want them to know you till the real unity emerges if you are in sensitive place with tough tasks. I still agree with you that we should come real, if debates will have value and influence others. it is seldom that it is good to use pen name.

            for me I am coming out soon, you will see me reading my poems. I promise.

          • haileTG

            KS, yes it is good as far as the social empowering is concerned. Especially, considering our Eritrean case scenario. But as you said, even after “coming out” 🙂 the value to be had is very little or next to nothing without organizational affiliation that can utilize you in a bigger schemes of things. Let’s not forget that there are large number of people with tall credentials, openly opposing cyber space. Some have powers to wield too in the positions they hold with their adopted countries. The problem is mainly that they don’t see eye to eye to bring their assets together in organized form, and are hence neutralized, That seems the big issue to me than someone poping out of the screens of awate.com:-)

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear haile,

            that is also true. By the way things seems to be getting direction. Let’s follow it.

          • haileTG

            Dear KS: one strange case is that almost all supporters say they are not card carrying PFDJ and almost all those openly opposing say they are not card carrying members of organized opposition. How do you see that? Is this people to people politics we have here…haha

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Haile,
            Lol, but you know, there is also a confusion really, I notice some PFDJ supporters are not really on the list and are not known by PFDJ. this are the most losers of the game. again form the other side you see the same. we have also addicted once to talk on politics and you see them early morning PFDJ and evening Opposition depending on the mood. we have others group when ever they sit with PFDJ they are more than PFDJ and when they sit with opposition, wow totally for change.

            the other group is the No group. if he see opposition he will count their weakness and send him demoralized and the same if he see PFDJ he will start saying you mafia criminals… Lol

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hala Ya ShaErna almuQwar (our brave poet)
            I am dying to see you real and live;
            alkhof lehu Hdood ya rafiQi, teEal neshufek wa nawer jalsatna.(Fear has a limit, let’s see you, enlighten our place/gathering/company).

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Okay my brave friend. you know form who I was afraid ,
            from lovely friends like you. Lol..

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan wa sahlan ya KS
            Okay, I got the message, but someone who walked with Saeed Saleh doesn’t get scared of “lovely friends” who are declared to be toothless PFDJites.
            Haha…kemji geberelen…
            The above is meant to get you ticked. Don’t take it seriously.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mohamud Saleh,

            ኣንታ እስኻስ “ዝኣኽለን ጥሒነን ባዕለ ማርያም ይብላ ” but really seriously that brave man didn’t do much work against EPLF leaders as he should. your leaders kill him in Kessela. me and the likes learn from that event and we are killing you leaders one by one, some time by their own gun. Lol. the lion went but the foxes are facing the monkeys. easy Mahmuday take care of yourself in that democratic nation. You are intelligent , you will know how to live with any one who comes to power.
            ኪር ኪር..

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan KS
            Hamed asHnom iKa Arkey KOKEBAY. Probably you have killed them hundreds of times by now. Personally, fortunately, I am OK where I live. I would like to visit Eritrea as often as I would love to do so. But it is a small price to pay in order to live at peace with my conscience. I’m confident, in not too far in the future, Eritrea will experience a climate of semblance.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dear. dear, dear Haile TG,
            There is a way to hide. Trust me. Now, say “really? I didn’t know that,” and leave it at that.

          • haileTG

            Haha Fanti…and how accessible is such proxies that everoney would be using it? And if someone goes to that length, who are they really hiding from? Surely not PFDJ:-)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Haile TG,
            True. It wouldn’t be worth the effort unless someone is really determined, but my response to your other post may be a better answer to the most common question “why hide” in its broader application.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Haile TG,

      There are several reasons. I am sure we can all guess some of the most common reasons, but I believe there is a certain amount of apprehension about disclosing our identity among many whom we know nothing about. It could, perhaps, be different if it can be impartially enforced to demand that everyone must identify themselves, but as long as it remains being a choice we will all have varied reasons to continue hiding. To use my own example, I started out with Fanti for some silly reason (the first site I commented on was riddled with extremely immature individuals), but eventually I found a good reason to continue ‘semi-hiding’ because I found out that I am closely related to some people in the higher places of Ethiopian government and they don’t know that I am related to them just yet. Normally I am a happy-go-lucky type individual, but I felt some amount of responsibility toward them when I started expressing political opinions in public right and left. The funny thing is that it probably doesn’t matter, but I found no good reason to advertise my identity either: for now.

    • selam

      Dear Haile TG

      It is not wise to come out at this time ,because there is no reason to do it. Why will you haile TG come out ,tell me ? I find your way of thinking very important but not on this name issue. I need your idea ,i do not need your personal inforation at all. I do not care if you are some one useful in your life or idiot , what i care is what is in the box that you post. Cyber world is beyond your reach and there is no way that some one can hide ,forexample i can actually enter in to any data base system and reveal any once identity if it is not secure enough. We need only the organization to come out and face the Eritrean people at large not you and not K.S personal information.
      If you drink in starbucks, there is 99% chance your information is accessible to so many ,but if only if you are important.Becareful what you wish is the right words for such openness

  • sabri

    Emma,

    An intellectual debate is usually aimed to debate ideas for the sake of enlightenment. However, your invitation to Gehleb seems to confront and provoke far from intellectual debate. What is important is to debate ideas. Regardless if we agree with him or not, as far as I see Gehleb put his opinion clearly. I didn’t see him attack people. Meeting hm by counter argument is much preferable than confrontation.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      No Sabri,

      It has nothing to do with me. Why should I provoke him. I only want to know how he will do with “his own league” the league he is claiming. And whether his boasting matches to the league he is claiming. That is all.

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Pass the salt

        Dear Amanuel,
        Moments ago, you told Mahmud your challenge to Gheteb is about our country. Now you are saying your is to see how he will do with his own league.
        Can you please revise and send us a clean bill on what exactly you want, so the bayto can vote up or down?

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear pass the salt

          I have voted down. don’t be disappointed on that. it is because you didn’t read months back how Gheteb was debating. in fact you can go back and read the debates between him and all others including me and you will see how I stop him not to have any exchange of thought with me.we have seen a lot like Gheteb who try to play the victimizing way changing the direction of debates and accusing or labeling different adjectives. Amuni didn’t chose my way and is corner him. eventually the reality on the ground will dismiss all those nonsense supporters of the dictator with bloody struggle but before that it is the responsibility of experienced intellectuals like Amanuel bring every confused few Eritrean to the right path. But some like Gheteb are not confused and are work hard to confuse people. exposing them and let the mass understand their tactics is a must.

          • Pass the salt

            Hello Kokhobawi,
            You voted down Emmas’ proposal? lol
            I think tifozonet is what’s polluting debates around here and elsewhere. People tend to take sides not necessarily by the content of the messages but rather by who wrote them. So long they’re written in civility, views shouldn’t be disparaged. But that’s what Hayat and Gheteb face often times. If we can only be tolerant.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Pass the salt,

            Emma’s proposal is his choice not mine and I don’t have objection as far as he has that much tolerance. why I voted down is when you ask him to revise and send you a clean bill.
            some time I wonder, you guys have got new culture. People like Amauel have long experience in politics, education and life experience even back 30 years when they were young we use to talk to them politely. you ask the question while knowing what really he needs.

            now regarding “Tifozo” not at all, it is the principle that uniting us.

            instead I am wondering how much Aman is tolerant. for me I have no more tolerance and I believe there is one enemy who should be removed and I can only discuss how that garbage should be removed to save life and time of our people. That also is at the end as PFDJistas are playing the game rejecting every proposal and every style, only some time to go. Armed fighters are already in the field hopefully they will form united front. we don’t have to spend our time talking with supporters!!

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I like Gheteb. If he toned down a bit , he is a good asset . I have followed him since he started as ” guest” just when Haile was MIA. I even argued he was haile . I hope he stays. I’m not saying I agree with him. He is making everybody sharp. I bet you like reading his comments than my lame jokes.
            I’m here looking for someone like him debate with the big guys. I’m enjoing awate more than ever. I wish more and more people like him come here and debate. This place will look like Oxford !
            How about reading Gheteb debate pappilon? Or YG stops by one more time ?
            Atasgomjegn ! Atasgomjegn !
            This is what makes this website different. Great minds debate great topics.
            Gheteb, tone it down a bit.
            My two cents.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            የማነሽ ቀብራራ ….ኣንቺ ማ ምን ኣገባሽ !!

            what do you have to worry about. your nation is advancing even slowly, you have better government. you will visit your family every summer, you will write some poems and jocks here. and enjoy your life Lol. your work will be recorded here and even published in new free Eritrea. the real serving the truth TV will call you and yes, you will get interviewed. and do you know who will be the interviewer, those nonsense supporters . Lol because everybody will be forgiven. and you know opportunists, you have seen them during Haileslase, Derg and now EPRD. they know how to play it. Lol

            poor me, I suffered to free Eritrea and the result is slavery by the time it becomes Democratic I am fallen on the mountains of Eritrea. Lol.

    • Ted

      Dear, sabri, He wants it to be more like Good vs evil battle. How it can be considered cordial invitation for enlightenment when it is loaded with disparaging words towards Gheteb from get go. It is not plausible nor necessary to involve the” Intellectual colleagues” to discredit Gheteb. It is unfortunate Amanuel come to this.

      • Abi

        Hi Ted
        If you bring Sem in the mix you will get The Good , The Bad and The Ugly. Back to 1968. I say Sem sounds like Tuco ( the bad) . What do you say?

        • Ted

          Hi, Abi, Semere has been the “bad friend”, in a project to be the “good friend”. Ask the Great MS, he has the bruises and scars to show for the project which taken far too long.

          PS: You crying for the Eritrean Immigrants in the documentary threw us off the balance, next time if your “habesha sensibilities” urges you to do so, please do it in private.

          • Abi

            Ted, the all time wise man
            I didn’t cry for an eritrean immigrant, I did cry for a person who lost his hope, his pride,country,family his everything .
            Are you related to LT? You sound the same.
            Jegna tenqesaqso
            QiTa biTe gorso
            Yalewun teqamso
            Akalun qenso
            LeAgeru awso
            Demun afsiso
            Qulqulet werdo, aqebet weTto
            Birebam, bayrebam netsanet amTto
            Ahun kaleager qerto
            Bebereha tengelato
            Angetun defto
            Asleqesegn enen anjeten bibelaw
            Minim bihon wendme new.
            Gudguwad temekto
            Yeketema ayiT libun molto
            Deretun gelbTo
            Yan gim afun kefto
            Kaqmu belay belto
            Hodu siweTaTer
            Jemere meTerTer
            Anbessa honku ende?
            TeweTere kinde
            Zeraf ! Yil jemere ya yeayiT jegna
            Gize gilbTbTwa zare yesu hona.

            Ted yene wendim
            Gizew yante bimeslim
            Ejegna lay mesaq jegna ayadergim
            Lejegna malqesm zegnet aygedim

          • Ted

            Abi, i have to admit you are good “asleqash”, to bad we are not in mockery weeping. Pass the Kleenex to Semere , the naturalized Ethiopians.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            You are brutal -;) Good Night!

            regards

  • Mizaan1

    All of you requesting for an intellectual debate between gheteb and some other people in the opposition camp:

    I disagree with gheteb as often as anyone here but the man has made his points and so bring the other intellectuals here and have them refute his claims. They can use nicknames too to make it fair and even field.

    But more importantly to me, this is much like calling on Steven Colbert to debate with John Stewart.

    • sara

      Brother Mizaan
      help me in this , intellectual debate thing!… what is intellectual,? and who are the intellectuals in this forum?
      honestly i don’t know the difference between intellectual person and educated person. is any one with higher education an intellectual?
      in the arab world there are writers,thinkers,intellectuals and of course the educated people/person.
      with respect

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Dearest Sara,
        Public speech 101 says do not say “that is a good question,” because it discourages others from asking due to self doubt whether their question is good or not. However, we hear it right and left that even well versed speakers saying “good question.” So, Embeytey Sara, that is a good question. My interpretation of an intellectual is someone who specializes on a given field of thought or science. I dare anyone to come up with a better interpretation!

        • Abi

          Hi Fanti
          That is a Good comment. I mean the only goooood comment !!!

      • Mizaan1

        Sara, exactly! That’s the essence of the issue I have with this call from amanuel hidrat and others. Are we talking about intellectuals of Eritrean issues? Why doesn’t AH consider himself an intellectual? Mahmoud saleh said he is not an intellectual. But he knows about Eritrea as much as anyone. His opinion is one thing and his knowledge is a different matter. An intellectual is an educated person who is usually in the academia or of a scientific or highly sophisticated research oriented career. We have had a debate between HTG and gheteb. Let’s simply assume HTG is a college dropout. What difference would it make had he been a professor of electrical engineering?

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Ahalan Emma and Ghehteb

    Lately I read Emma challenging Gehteb on arranging a debate. I believe the logistics of arranging the debate on the ground Emma is proposing may not be feasible, it may not suit both of them due to concerns unrelated to the will and readiness of either party. It may burden either of them with funding it, or issues related to family and work schedule…
    I’m really eager to watch this face off. So, I have a simple proposal to get this match materialized.
    1. The Awatista Forum becomes the place where the match takes place.
    2. The process of defining topics and rule of engagement become transparent and are negotiated in real time here on Awatista Forum.
    3. Three members known of their impartiality, who have no conflict of interest with either parties, who garner the trust of Awatistas for their knowledge and judgment, and who are accepted by both parties are selected/elected from among awatistas, from outside or by a combination. I nominate Tzigereda, Fanti Ghana and Saleh Gadi Johar ( although I realize Saleh may have obvious positional differences with Ghehteb, I trust that Gehteb will accept him for the latter’s professional judgment).
    4. Once the above requirements are satisfied, the date will be announced by the judges.
    5. I propose a 24 hour time line for the debate where, provided moderators agree, the forum is restricted to the two debaters and Forumers’ discussion of their debate (judges are barred from entering the discussion unless to moderate the debate.

    6. After the 24 hour life time of the debate, the judges will be given to submit their scores on awate Forum, each individually, with explanation if needed. This does not require the judges to negotiate, discuss, or convince each other on settling difference. It will be their personal judgment, it will have no bearing on personal fame or achievement of the debaters; it will not reflect their professional or public standing; it will be a judgment by pears on the debate itself and not the persons.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mahmuday,

      I guarantee you about the logistics and don’t try to give him an exit strategy. I really want to see him face to face debating with highly academic professionals as a real man, not behind pen name to insult people and put himself from the ivory tower intellectuals. I will see won’t to see him if he meets that qualification. If you know PFDJites have not the culture of debate and he will not do it, then it is another issue.

      regards,

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Emma

        First of all this is not about imposing a condition, rather about negotiating an arrangement. For the debate to take place both of you will have to agree on the arrangements.

        “I really want to see him face to face debating with highly academic professionals as a real man, not behind pen name to insult people and put himself with the ivory tower intellectuals”
        So, here, are you interested on debating issues or on disclosing who Ghehteb is?
        If you are interested in debating issues, there is no need of giddying at the idea of disclosing this “beast”. If you remember this question of people “hiding” behind pen names was raised before. I remember at one time I insisted HTG disclosed himself for all practical purposes, and since I wanted him writing articles. HaileTG answer was to respect people’s choice and focus on the issues debated. If you remember, Hayat Adem was pushed to disclose her identity by Nitricc. Her answer was that it was non of any body’s business; she actually said that those who use their real names were doing it to “market” themselves. So I hope your intention is to debate ideas, and if that’s the case there is no better place than this forum.
        My intention is for the debate to take place. He already declared you you are not in his league (which I object to), and putting conditions which amount to forcing him to disclose his identity won’t be productive. If similar conditions were placed upon you, you would simply ignore them. And it would be understandable.
        Therefore, my proposal is to eliminate hurdles that could dissuade him, and actually, my proposal challenges and corners him, leaving no excuses. There won’t be a reason why he should not debate you if unacceptable conditions are eliminated.
        Dear Emma, I know of no debate that took place before Eritrean intellectuals; you know PFDJ better than me; per your words, you debated them before in their meetings. I don’t know if Ghehteb is a PFDJite, but it’s odd that you are asking me if debating is outside the norm of PFDJ. So, you believe PFDJ debates on contentious issues?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear mahumuday,

          No condition at all. The issue is about our country. He will debate with his country men. The country and the people of Eritrea belongs to all of them. If he want to say the country and the people are not in crisis, he will do so. If he want to come with solution as proposal, he can do so also. I want to know what intellectual caliber he has that he put himself with the intellectual ivory towers. I want to see his arrogance (Bide’A) has any intellectual credence to say what he saying in this forum, though he shouldn’t even utter like that. The womb of Eritrea has many intellectuals, and if he is one of them let us see him. Please don’t defend for him. Let him do himself.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Emma
            Dear Emma, it’s clear I am not defending Ghehteb. Now, tell me why should he disclose his identity to debate with you when he can do it elsewhere? Why should he even give a hoot to what you are imposing upon him? I simply explained what’s practicable and what not. So, if your intention is to debate issues እነሆ ፈረስ እነሆ ሜዳ!!!
            Dear Emma, please don’t think I will capitulate under the pressure of your use “pfdj” or “defend him”, as in Ghehteb=PFDJ. No need of repeating the same name calling. By imposing impractical conditions which I am he will ignore, you are just showing us an empty posturing. Isn’t it Emma?
            I am not an intellectual if I do unintellectual mishaps, but you, as an intellectual, should consider my proposal for its practicality. We can refine it.
            ህኣየ ኢማ፡ ልብኻ ይዓቢ። ኣብ ልዕልኻ ዘለኒ ኣኽብሮት በረምበታዕ ዘነቓንቖ ኣይኮነን። ግን ብዓቕመይ፡ ይሕግዝ ይኸውን ዝብሎ ርኢቶታት ከፍስስ እየ። ንካታዕ…ንላዘብ…ንከበባበር።
            Emma, this is personal, and TBS has nothing to do with it.
            Regards.

          • tes

            Dear Emma,

            Aha, now you are ready to debate with diehard PFDJista. Well, well, you moved from your line of thought.

            Debating for what?

            Reconcilation.

            To define?

            As a stakeholder?

            As a man with value?

            etc etc etc.

            Gheteb, gigicehb trah eyu zelewo. Weed-em out no need to debate them. Time to debate with PFDJ was dead since its conception. No way to deal with Velinsque Groupe.

            But I will be happy to see debates among justice seekers. Even, I can arrange in one the best universities in France fully sponsored.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            People with self confidence debate anyone anywhere anytime.
            I’m ready to see Oxford style debate at awate University. Why not ??????
            Our problem is we don’t debate or negotiate enough before we pick up AK47. I believe we have to make debating and negotiating a habit .We have to cultivate them from a young age. Believe me they will be part of our culture eventually.
            Tes, you can debate justice seekers all you want. If you don’t debate regime supporters and win them, and bring them to your camp one person at a time , you are , in my humble opinion, a big time loser.
            I also believe awate website is well situated to be the forum to bring about the desired results.
            Long live awate university. I hope and dream to see it on godana harnet.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,
            I totally agree with you if what you are saying is before some years. I am afraid this will not work now when comes to PFDJ camp. things are very clear and most of those who were not aware are now very much awaken. now what is not clear to debate about?

            Abi, go back to 1990 and go up to now, every second things are coming to light to show the fake leadership. and every time every family is tasking what others face it earlier. now what someone who want to consume time can continue talking but ” awate university” should go to next phase and should not be engaged on PFDJ opposition topics.

            it is time to have an armed struggle and awate should talk one how to fight and how to be part of the hero fighters. don’t worry we will have your poems and jocks and that will be even better served in TV Ere.Lol

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear abi
            Be’nate, you lived to my expectations. That should be the theme of our time:negotiate with those willing to negotiate. embi Yale wegen demo, you know what follows. Ah, i know you are going to miss it. No…no…I’m not saying pick up AK-47, but sap up its base through persuasive measures and through pursuing convincing political policies and practices. Go Ethio-Nitrickay.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            Civilized debate would be good, but PFDJ supporters will have a hard time defending a leader who says “go, if you prefer licking a leftover from foreign plates” while forcefully collecting 2% of their income. The current Eritrean government has already lost. What would be useful debate is among the different opposition flavors.

          • selam

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat
            It seems the truth comes out late ,every thing about Gheteb is unique for so many people around this forume. He is a brilliant man which is good but his political view is also not that you and most can match . He normally can shake any one around him and he do it as no one. He debate the basic things quite unique and I always admire his take . But we should work an try to match on his field unless ,taking Gheteb to task especially with you is not fair to him. Let the evidence beat Gheteb not some one around talking with no point to offer.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan mahmoud,
      Thank you for the confidence. I see and know what being a moderator entails, heartburn and a lot of self-restrictions. What have I done to you to suggest another moderation role for me? Tuff belo 🙂

      Besides, I do not want to torment myself by accepting a role where I have to pretend to be neutral to the the views of the oppressive Valineki Clique whom I live to fight.

      At any rate, thanks for the confidence.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Awatistas,
    I am hereby inviting “Dr. Gheteb” (I don’t know whether he has the Dr title, just assuming form his boasting) for a live debate on the Eritrean Issue with the top Eritrean and American acadamicians from the higher institute of knowledge. If he has the courage of a man and the knowledge from higher institute of knowledge, I will be glad to arrange the debate stage with my colleagues in Washington DC. I swear God we can do it. Dr. Gheteb is also welcome to bring his debating coaches with him. So far he is the face of the Eritrean regime. The topic will be on politics and international relations in relation Eritrea and the geopolitics of the horn, including the domestic issues. Dr. Gheteb must be warned, that it is not about dissecting rats that he learned for his anatomy and phsiology classes nor is about pharmacological tests of anticholonergic drugs or different class od drugs in a clinical trials. This is strictly about Eritrea’s politics. If he accept the official invitation, right here in this forum, he will asked his phone number for contact to discuss about the procedural process with the selecting committee. I can only hope he meets the requiremets. Dr. Gheteb Good luck on this serious topic and engagements. The only I am concerned about you is your bullish character and hopefully your coaches will look at it seriously.
    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hope

      Eway Aboy Keshi:
      Prof Dr Gheteb has a legitimate right to have his own opinion and stand about Eritrean Politics and he fierecely expressed it,unlike those of us,who flip-flop,change stands,positions,groups,every day besides “selling” our ID and betraying our hsitory on top of attempting to reverse or sell our history and Independence.
      Having a unique stand,opinion or position,is not unique to Prof Gheteb.
      Challenging the ideasand the opinions,NOT the PERSONA,is the noble thing to do.
      You have been lecturing us “Politics 101” for how long now?
      15-45 yrs?
      And what have you achieved thus far?
      Good luck with your lectures.
      BTW,any disclaimer/disclosures to make?You know what i am talking about.
      Are some of the “Giant Pharmaceutical Companies,including Epharm” sponsoring you?
      If you make some of those disclosures,and affiliations,I guarntee you that ,since I know Prof Gheteb well,I will ‘disclose” him officially without his consent.

      • Hope

        Opps,apologies Moderator:
        Salutation to follow:
        Dear Ustaz Amanuel Hidrat

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Hope,
        “Disclosure about Dr. Gheteb” you are welcome brother.

    • Peace!

      Dear Amanuel,

      With all due respect you are not helping, but distracting the forum from discussing urgent issues. I like to take you to what you said to Mahmuday in your sincere response: you admitted that “We” the opposition have failed to help our people. But since you didn’t go far enough, I think it is also interesting to hear your sincere take on why the oppositions have failed, and could you share with us if there is work-In-progress to change that? The reason why I am asking you is because it will be so painful for Amanuel Hidrat to tell us “we the opposition have failed” a year or two years from now!

      Regards

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Haw Peace,

        Do you really Gheteb is helping us to discuss our problem. Honestly I don’t think so. But my invitation to him is actually real, if he is upto the challenge. Second, regarding the opposition it is upto all of us to work on it. It is not the opposition only, it is the entire Eritrean population in deep mistrust to each other and becomes the life sustaining issue to the despot. I have written about it and commented on it several time in here. Find it yourself brother. We need sincere debate (live debate) like in a town hall meeting. It is very serious problem, that I can tell you. Talk with the different social groups we have, you will learn the real problem.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Peace!

          Dear Emma,

          Sr. If you don’t want to answer my questions that’s totally fine otherwise please don’t drag me into issues that are not urgent. I am sure you have written many articles and comments, but that is not the issue here. You make a statement, and I need to take responsibility at least for respect of the forum.

          Anyways, thanks to awate.com for the recent report on the life of our opposition groups, and it is really sad it doesn’t look good. But what is more painful is when you keep poking us on our wounds. By I read all of your comments in that thread, it is hard to say you made compelling argument other than accusing others for being whistle blowers.

          RESPECTFULLY!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear peace,

            The report you heard is not the problem of the oppositions. Trust me. It is partsian report. But the real problem whether you take it or not, it is mistrust. My statement is not different from your statement, that the opposition can not move forward and hence they are failed so far to address the problem of our nation. What different statement you heard from me than those you heard them from other people in this forum.

            If I didn’t make a compelling argument, then I am failed to cross my message to the public. What else can I tell you brother. One thing I could tell you, don’t forget my argument, someone will come accross that line with a convincing argument. How about that brother.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            Thank you, Emma. If you think the problem is “MISTRUST” then there is a serious flow in the structure itself because one of the roles of structure is to eliminate mistrusts to possible extent, find common ground, and create comfortable working environment. Well, failure is not an option, or we need to stop blaming PFDJ for all our problems.

            RESPECTFULLY!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            No. I will never give up until the last breath, while our people are facing the most brutal dictator ever seen in their lives. That is not good advice for me. Thank you anyway.

            regards,

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            Never stop. Never give the impression you will stop. Regardless of our differences on operational matters, and conclusions, you are not a PFDJ wimp. Stop for what, so that the the langa-langa would rejoice! I say this despite the fact that I have serious difference with you on the mechanization that is going on in the opposition camp. Maybe someday we find a common ground. But keep going.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba saleh,

            I won’t stop ” struggle is my life”. Our difference is “normal difference among comrades” and it doesn’t bother me at all. The struggle will continue until we pass the torch and the responsibility to our young generation surely and definitely. If we pass away there are many who pick the torch out there, no doubt ….no doubt my friend.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            All I said was we need to stop blaming PFDJ for all our problems. Obviously it is not an advise for your to stop your struggle, but it is an appeal for the opposition groups to own their own failure. I even told you failure is not an option. I don’t how you missed that-;)

            Now, according to the recent report, the status of the OGs is “F” I know you are not going to give up, and at the same time, the people whom you are fighting for are completely frustrated by your failure to the extent they might giving up on you, so what do you say to them to keep their hope alive, to restore the confidence, and ultimately to join you? I mean saying “I will never give up until the last breath” without wining the hearts and minds of the victims sounds just a promise.

            Respectfully

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            If you are with justice seekers, with due respect do your own share, and I will do my own share. Eventually, we will meet at one point.

            regards,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman I think you missing Peace’s point.
            You should Reread his point one more time. Just my take. I felt you are not getting what peace is saying.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            I understood it. He didn’t get the answer he expected, and if he is not satisfied with it, he will understand it in the process of our political discourse. I know what he wanted and that will not be my answer.

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            The only reason I am asking you is because you have been participating and representing many Eritreans in different meetings. So given your representative role in the opposition camp, how would you reconcile the “do your own share” with “I represent you” attitude? Sorry, if I have made you uncomfortable.

            And just to set the record straight: yes, I am a frustrated justice seeker.

            Respectfully

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Peace
            You have good points, Peace. Stay calm, do what’s right and rational. You just have to respect Amanuel’s limitations. The problem with us all is that we pose as if we are representing certain political organizations when in reality we are not in a position to give answers which should come from persons of authority. So, take it easy, and figure out how to positively contribute to the betterment of your people. Keep staying on the side of truth. Don’t expect anyone to give you the certificate of authenticity. Get together with young people who could usher an alternative way.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Everyone has his/her own limitation and I know my limitation. Just know your own limitation only.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma

            By limitation, I meant your presence outside the political organizations’ executive leadership, I think I clarified that by what followed after that:
            ” The problem with us all is that we pose as if we are representing certain political organizations when in reality we are not in a position to give answers which should come from persons of authority.”
            OK, first it’s for all of us, second, tell me if you could answer questions that organizational leaders should answer. I am not talking about your intellectual capacity.
            Thanks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Thank you for your clarification. The qouted statement wasn’t clear to me . Now it is clear and your assessment isn’t far from truth.

            Thank you.

            Revards,

          • Peace!

            Dear Mahmuday,

            I was just checking on “the acute sense of entitlement for the struggle against PFDJ syndrome” guess what? The result is once again POSITIVE-;) Please read the responses you won’t believe it.

            Regards

          • sara

            Dear Peace
            i really like your take on Mr amanuel, it’s a good one and with due respect. i wish he heeds your call or a piece of advice from i am sure his/her younger brother/sister. but i don’t think Mr amanuel will do.
            Dear Peace, i read quite often from our forumers that they are in a STRUGGLE …. to the last breath etc. i am wondering of all the phrases and words they use simply because we are opposing the current government in eritrea and that from faraway places and living a normal day to day life
            what i know from our history , about struggle to the last breath is different that what read here.
            could you help explain this to me.
            with respect.

          • Peace!

            Dear Sara,

            I don’t think distance can be a big issue for anyone who wants to struggle as long as they know what role to play within a network that keeps both people inside and outside the country connected. We can take the struggle for independence for example: the role of Eritreans in diaspora was clear, and the network between them was also beyond effective to the extent the culture and language gap was extremely slim. What we have now is quite the opposite: no connection, let alone network. Look at the life experience of our veteran leaders, they have almost spend more than half of their age in exile. This, unfortunately, has created a serious gap of language and culture with those inside the country whom supposed to be agents of change. I asked Amanuel Hidrat as to why the opposition groups have failed; he thinks MISTRUST is responsible for the failure. It is really sad that we don’t even know the cause of our failure. thank you for the confidence!

            Respectfully

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            Thank you teacher. Gold remains Gold always.Always the same firms stand.

    • asmerom

      Hi Emma
      Are you serious asking for a live debate and whoever he is to reveal himself and debate in a civilized manner ?? No No he is just a spoiler a well informed advocate of PFDJ who has no regard to the facts in the ground and who has given a blind eye to the suffering of our people , with what gut do you expect him to sit in a civilized manner and debate ? that is not the way he is recruited .
      Sometime by pretending as if he is against the regime he thinks he is fooling some people while its obvious that he is working to defend the un defendable evil regime , just read his comments and see in support of who he writes.
      Please Emma don’t waste your time with such SELAHTAS who are stain to humanity who have sold there soul and who are in denial of the reality of our people, let them leave in the fantasy world till the day of reckoning comes which is not far away .
      regards

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Asmerom,

        I am really eager to see this “boasting creature” who have no human dcency at all. I am challenging him to face the real world and real human being in a real debate stage if he has the courage of men to show up. This gutless guy is insulting and demeaning real fighters behind pen name. He can’t learn about real people. He has no empathy, not heart to feel about the pain of our people. Mehret Yewredelu Entay Yebhal Koinu. Let me see If he could accept my invitation to match his boasting. Some time it is quintessential to challenge them no matter what until we know that they have nothing to show.

        Thank you
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • tes

        Dear asmerom,

        I join your rejection. There is no way to debate with those ugly and inhumaine hard-hearted individuals who never failed to close their heart to Eritrean people.

        Let’s trace Gheteb’s presence here.

        First: He is the one who aired about the 4th coming PFDJ conference.
        Second: he is the one who is promoting PFDism.

        Following PFDJ’s reformism agenda,

        Third, Gheteb is calling for an open debate.

        There is no way to waste time with those ugly and hard-hearted dictator’s first page of propaganda outlet.

        tes

      • selam

        Dear Asmerom
        Saying one thing in cyber world and frustrate your political opponents for one week is one thing ,Doing it consistently require your balance and your age at school. Gheteb is not my best choice for my political view but he is one of the best you can find . He is capable of trashing every one around when it comes debating. Now I think Amanuel is not match to Gheteb . We should demand Gheteb to debate Haile TG because both men have the calibre to show most of us and teach us, how it is done. Insulting some one is easy thing to do behind computer miles away from one another but matching some one beyond your reach is another level of decency.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear dawit,

    and yes the unknown gun men should also stop attacking Eritreans etc,etc,

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/06/04/414376/Sudan-Brass-Eritrean-asylum-seekers

  • Wedi Chided

    ክብረት ይሃበለይ ኣቲ ዳዊት።
    ሃሃሃሃሃ።
    እዚ ትብሎ ዘለሓ ህግደፍን ከማኻ ዝእመሰሉ ደገፍቶምን ዘምጽዎ ስለዝኾነ፡ ባዕልኹም ክትኣልይዎ ትኽእሉ ኢኹም።
    ብኸመይ፡1፥ ንሰላም ቅሩባት ኩኑ
    2፥ ምዝታይ ፍለጡ
    3፥ ሕጊ ኣኽብሩ
    4፥ ኣብ ጉዳይ ጎረባብቲ ኢድኩም ኣይትእትዉ።

  • Semere Andom

    Poor Time:
    Hi All:

    ተወስኺቱ ግዜ

    አፍ ዘጽረየ ይብለሉ ሃሌ

    ክሉ ይድንድኖ የላግብሉ ሕማቅ ዘብለ

    ፍትሕዊ እኳ ክም ግዜ ዘየለ

    በብሓደ የርክብሉ በብምዓልቱ

    ኣቱም ሰባት ግዜ ግዜ ኣይትበሉ

    ግዜ ተውሳኺቱ

    ከይጸዋዕካዮ ምምጻእ እያ እንኮ ገበኑ

    ፍትሒ ሃብዎ ንግዜ

    አይትኽሰስዎ አብ ፍሉይ ቤት ፍርዲ

    ኣይተላግብሉ ባዕልኹም ዝፈጠርክሞ ራዕዲ

    ባኦልኹም ምስኽሓድኩም ርስኹም

    ነናጹ አይተላግብሎን ብጃኹም

    ተውሳኺተን ድራረን ዝኣርያ ማእሪረን

    ንሰን እንተኾይነን ጽገምኩም

    ዶንጎላ አለልኩም መሳርያ ቀደምኩም

    ጨፍጭፍወን ርእሰን እና ተበራረኹም

    ታሪኽ እንክለካ ናይ ውርሻ

    ዝተባረኽት ክንሳ እታ እንዳኻ

    ካብ ለወጥካያ ብጸብሒ ትምትሞ

    ስነፍልጠት እንክልካ ናይ ሓንጎል አጅቦ

    ንምንታይ መርጽካ ስራሕ ናይ ጠንቋሎ

    አምላኽ ዘይፍትዎ እቲ ናይ ብሓቂ ይከአሎ

    • teweldino

      Hi Sem,

      Nice one! Please listen to one of Korchach’s tracks about Gzie ግዜ. Aklilu Tesfazion wrote the lyrics.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfundX1Vls8

      • Semere Andom

        Thanks teweldino:
        I am not fun of him, well Sal will say that I am not fun of any Eritrean singer:-)
        But I love this one, thanks for sharing, but if I get overdosed with it, you will be blamed:-)

        • saay7

          Hey Cousin iSem:

          Am sure you have heard of Yemane Barias “Zemen” and wedi Tkabos “zemen”…. Have you heard of Orion Salehs “gize”? I think for Eritreans the theme of “Time”(lamentation of the unfairness of life) is now approaching Ethiopian musics fasination with memories ( “tzta”. )

          I was going to share wedi Tkabos Zemen but it has a lot of words iSem is allergic to (Tsfrna faHtirna….) Here’s Orion: great voice, great lyrics, kindergarten music

          http://youtu.be/zpUEde7U1sY

          saay

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            It seems that a lot of singers have a gizie-themed songs. Atweberhan Seghid’s “Gizie” is probably the oldest recorded song of the genre (1950s ?). I couldn’t find it on youtube. Please check it on the following link. There is also another gem by Alemayehu Kahsai from the same era entitled “Telemeni Gizie” on the same link.

            “Ateweberhan Seghid – Gize” is on number 30. Alemayehu Kahsai’s “Telemeni gizie” is on number 29. But the media player seems to resort the songs differently every time you open the link.

            http://www.fishikta.com/artists/ateweberhan-segid/#

          • saay7

            Hey Teweldino:

            Thanks for the link! The couple of references to gizie were, um…anyway: the important thing is you gave me an accidental gift: Ato ateweberhan segid’s “ny leyti.” When I was a kid, the richest man in Eritrea, BaHbesh died, and “ny leyti” was modified thusly:

            Quarenti*
            Ny leyti
            baHbesh** moytu
            Frki leyti*
            Aqabruna yblu
            jeberti*

            Saay

            * his death had nothing to do with electricity and I don’t know why the Jeberti would be the ones inviting the burial because he was a Yemeni and there was a large Yemen population. Actually I know: because it rhymes with Leyti
            ** good luck correcting asmarinos that his name was BaHbesh and not AbaHbesh.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Why do you want to fight with me on Sunday?

            Here is a proof that I have an impeccable music test…

            A son singing his father’s song perfectly…

            Ask, who it is then I will tell you..that’s your punishment.. 🙂

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pRGa739jDX0

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Thank you for saving us from the scratchy version. This one

            http://youtu.be/TxYPztDXYg0

            All credit to Awate University Music Department 🙂

            So, yes, the new doesn’t suck as badly as the scratchy one.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Damn it!!!!

            I never suspected, you’d know this one… Come to think of it, with your beef with ‘tor serawit’, I bet you know all of them, let alone the famous ones.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Hahaha eyobai:

            Got you! I googled it:) got to be honest, so thanks for playing thou

            You are a sentimental guy: you love son-pays-tribute-to-father songs. That’s why we love you eyobai. Although, you know, your musical taste is, you know….

            Colonel Lema? Don’t tell me more. Really. Did he sing ye fiyel wetete? Say it ain’t so…

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Ha ha…no actually Colonel Lemma was one of the most prolific song writers and arrangers in Ethiopia. His and Nurses Nalbandian (Ethio Armanian, founder of the moder Ethiopian music) have written songs that have the most lasting effect.. Here is one, you may be familiar with… (Not the scratchi version)….

            (By the way Colonel Lemma was arrested so many times for his love of writing love songs, while he was a high ranking army official)

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tISF-z9Bsrs

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Nicely done: this is excellent. Is the girl in the video his girlfriend or is there a shortage of Erhiopian models because they have all been exported to the West? Lots of African American models not happy with you because you have come to define the ideal black for ferenjochu:)

            Anyway, nice. KH and Abi won’t like this because they are reactionary traditionalists. And SGJ won’t like it because of the saxophone. Fanti? I don’t know about that guy: he likes everything.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            That’s a good guess…she must be very ‘close’ to him..She is in all of his clips..

            One of very interesting things about the young Ethiopian Eritrean girls these days, they all seem to look alike…Go to Addis and see, they all look the same… 🙂

            That’s true that many black women have had it enough with our women…They call them ‘women of the horn’ They are even writing articles about them.. 🙂

            Anyway, Michael Demisse, is not singing for a career..He just wants to set the record straight…he was asked once and he said many singers are ruining his fathers songs and he wants to do his fathers songs ‘the way they should have been done’….

  • Hope

    Hello All,

    Hope is back from a short but ” bitter sweet” trip from Eritrea after enjoying the colorful 24th Eri Independence Day Celebration.

    Conratulations to those who believe in and respect the Eri Independence,no matter what and irrespective of…..

    Eye witness account Full Report to follow but here is the summary:

    -There is still HOPE and light at the end of the tunnel is slowly popping up

    Stay tuned!

    I only missed 2-3 Articles over 3 wks of time period? Not too bad.Here is what I noticed:

    -The EPRP/PFDJ still hanging in there and winning th eehart of the EU deite all this and that!

    -The Opposition has failed–excpet the Hopeful EPDP, despite the sabotage,gossip,defamation and interference by EPRP Secret Party Spy Agents within.

    -A Long way to go for National Reconciliation

    -The Sudan and Ethiopia Elections confirmed the African Style “Demcoratic Dictatorship”

    -Haile TG confirmed to be who he has been and has remained the 5* General and Ambassador of the Weyane Propaganda/Another Hayat Adem or YG??

    As to the latest Ethiopian Propaganda:

    -This should have been done ysr ago by the so called Opposition and they could not even afford a Video Camera and Microphone.

    -The Ethiopians,as a Courtesy,should have been” honest and fair” about their role in maiking Eritreans to be in this situation,eventhough they are telling us to our ace:”Mission Accomplished”

    -The Ethiopians should,as a Courtesy,produce a similar Documentary about the more than 2 Million Ethiopian Refugees suffering in S Arabia,Yemen and that their Refugees are taking advantage of “Pseudo-Eritreanism”.

    The ONLY lesson to learn from the documentary–despite its exaggeration is:

    -Why have we failed to that extent then

    -What should we do then from now on?

    -Our 2015 Resolution should be, what now?Keep barking and keep cursing the PFDJ or take a concrete action by joining the Organized Parties and the Progressives and rally behind them and mobilize out silent majority?

    We should rather blame ourselves as:

    “An exiled colonel describes the Valineki Clique as “dead, only its tongue is still alive.”
    Weyo neti natensi ,ni-endahamten!
    Who is dead here?
    The EPRP/PFDJ or the self-appointed Oppositon Parties?
    What did the Assennas,the asmarino.coms.the awate.com,the Radio Erina,the meskerem.net,adulis.com,jeberti.com,…the Activists,etc…achieved in the last 15 yrs?
    Where the heck have the “Reconciliation,the Embolden,the Al Nahda,the Pencil,the Tebeges,the Point Blank,etc–fake Mottos achieve to this minute?
    Nada!But why or why not?
    It is time to answer those “why ,how, and what” questions.
    Day dreaming and empty barking will do nothing.
    LongLive the EDF!
    The 40,000 will be replaced by 400,000 Young Warsays.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Wo Wed Ad Melehey Hope,
      Welcome back my friend. Your S-5000 was missed badly as we have only been using our Doshkas and MahTas as our air defense weopons against the Weyanet’s Su-27. But you know that Eritrean spirit better than anyone, Hope, and so far we have downed some of the Weyanes SU-25s, Mig-23s and one SU-27.
      With the return of the one and ONLY, Hope, the Weyane air forces will never be able to penetrate the Eritrean air space, That is guaranteed with Hope’s S-5000.
      Welcome back, Hope!

      • Hope

        Thanks my MAN!

        Absolutely!,
        Not to mention the Eri Stamina and gut ….

        Stand stronger than ever!
        Against all ODDs,history will repeat itself!

    • haileTG

      Welcome Hope,

      Your facts-to-go approach to debating has been missed. I feel bad you had to go to Eritrea to confirm I am a 5* Weyanay General, entay emo ygeber, miricha endo te’saere ab Tigray. Now, what is wrong if I claim asylum in Eritrea and become activist too. Can’t Eritrea accommodate one 5* woyane general like me and let him have good time and shaHani ful? Don’t even worry about ShaHi in Keren my man..I brought my own tea leafs from Tigray (from my army ration..)…seriously though, Hope, didn’t you say you were on the wanted list in Eritrea? I am surprised you made it back.

      HaileTG 5* 🙂

      PS: HiqilHinqilitey: weyane zeytbehal teqawami hgdef fleTeley…

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear HTG

        መልሲ፡ ህግድፍ ባዕሉ
        መን ደኣ ክኸውን?
        But seriously, ዓንበረ ገይርዋ መሬት!
        Cousin Hope ኣባ ዳህሪ።
        ፊተ-ፊትተወርዋሪ
        ብደዉ ተሳባሪ
        ንሰመረ መኻሪ
        ተመሊሱ መታሪ
        ናብ ሃይለ ሰጊሩ
        ጽሩራታት ጽዒኑ
        ናብ ካዝኑ ሳልሕ
        ብሰላሕታ የመርሕ
        ኣህላን ካዝን ይብሎ
        “ሚ ትመስል?” ይሓቶ
        ናብ ኒትሪክ የብል
        “ኣጽንዕ፡ ኣለኹ” ይብል
        ናብ ኢማ ይዕዘር
        ሰናብኡ ከነድር
        “ካላም ፋርቕ” ከጭድር
        ንገህተብ የምርሕ
        “Yes, my man!” ይጭርሕ
        ካዝን ሆፕ ኣብ ኩሉ ኣሎ
        ነብሪ ዓዋተ፡ ኩሉ ይከኣሎ

        • sabri

          Dear mahmud,
          Qualitative poem. Hope we will read more of your poem.

        • haileTG

          Hi Mahmuday

          ሆፕ ፡ ኮለሎ፡
          ዕንክሊል፡ ሰለሎ፡
          ህግደፍ ደሓን’ዶሎ፡
          ሻወር ብሳንኬሎ፡
          ቡምባ ካብ ዕትሮ፡
          ምዕባለ ላ’ኤንዴትሮ፡
          ትምህርቲ ብዜሮ፡
          ማራ ኣብ ትያትሮ፡
          ሚዚርያ መነባብሮ፡
          ባኒ ብቆጸሮ፡
          ትሓይኮ ብማርቴሎ፡
          ክኸብር ክንዲ መዓት፡ ልብኻ ዝቕሎ፡
          ንስኻ ዝረኣኻያ ብሚኒኮሎ
          ሰላም ኮላ ኣብቲ ውሽጢ ኻንሸሎ። 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hailat,

            ናይ ግጥሚ ክእለት ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ድንቂ ሕልኮ (ሕልኮ ኣብ ሃገርሰባት ሃገርና ዝተለምደ ናይ ኣጓብዝ ቅልስ) ::

          • Semere Andom

            Dear HTG and Mahmuday

            ዕንኪላሎ ድ ኣ ይምልሰ ናብቲ ዘንበሮ

            ናይ ሆፕ ግን በሎ ዳኣ እምባጋሮ

            ጭርጭር ዓበደ ዘይብሉ እንዶ

            ንኺድ ጥራይ ይብል

            ግን ምንያ ኾለልል ዘይሰልጦ

            ተቃዋማይ ዶ ህግደፍ መን ይፈልጦ

            ነቲ ቀለም ይሓናጥጦ

            ነቲ ቃና ይለዋውጦ

            ነቲ መትከሉ ይለኻብጦ

            ነቲ ፈታው ህዝቢ ይስልበጦ

            ነቲ ነውራም ግን ይቆላምጦ

            ሕግብግብ ይብሎ

            ንይ ሆፕ ነገር እንታይ እልካ ክትጽወዮ

            እተን ዘይዓበያ ክሕድግኦ

            ህደግ ለን ኮዓስሎ

            ንማራያም ደዓሪት ንማዕቅቦ
            🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Semere,

            Be careful, Mariam Daari doesn’t like wimps. If she sees you behaving like a fox, she punctures your Hamot and once it leaks out you see what you are seeing. Indecisive the confused walking-dead.

          • Semere Andom

            Abu Saleh::-)
            kelamek lema titkelm
            nesraH baaid wo negum nahlem
            Mariam Daari was mentioned ashan Saleh ytkelem:-)
            But ymselely eba nhope 🙂

      • Hope

        Huh,huh,Hailat,
        You failed the test miserabley.
        BTW,I was detained for 2hrs and 58 minutes in the Airport for unclear reason and apparently, my up-to-date 2% payment documents,my US Citizenship/Passport(with an official visa) and my old friend,Jemahir,now a Senior Security Officer in the Airport,Wedk-K—-,cleared me.He wnet crazy on me laughing when he saw me alone detained…and said sarcastically:” Eway eza alem tish;ate,ni wedi Bilenay keman arkibatilom”!
        The final advice I was given was :
        -“Afka akib” ,” kabzom Hassusat Rehak”.
        The only reason I dared to go to Eritrea was coz my Mom forced me to do so by “lying ” to me that she is sick and dying as we have not seen each other for almost 6 yrs;plus,some local Hgdefites threatened her that our houses in Keren and Hagaz will be confiscated if we do not pay the penaly, for having multiple homes.

        • saay7

          Welcome back cousin:

          Let me translate what you just said because I have been away for a couple of days and I feel like I stumbled into the Twilight Zone:

          Although Eritrea is my birthplace, my hometown, my country, I ONLY went there because my mother lied to me and told me she is dying. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have gone because I fear arrest. In fact I was arrested, but lucky for me, I know somebody senior in the government, who vouched for me, and then advised me to stay away from the opposition. PS: The only reason my mother was forced to lie to me was because somebody told her that if I don’t come and confirm that I am current on my tax payments, we may lose our property.

          And so, your first post after you came back, was to rail against the opposition, with the exception of EPDP, and Ethiopia for producing the video, which the opposition should have produced, which presumably includes the EPDP?

          If somebody is using a gigantic megaphone and saying “Uuuuy! Uuuuy! Uuuuy! your whole family has been wiped out!” my first question is not, “I wonder where the megaphone was made.”

          Look people. Yesterday, two Eritreans were killed by ISIS and 1 was injured. 14 Eritreans were kidnapped from Shegerab. 85 Eritreans were kidnapped by ISIS today in Libya. Erena is reporting that one of the UNHCR-run refugee camps in Ethiopia is not providing services to Eritreans.

          I am all for debates and idea exchanges but it is impossible to have them if we don’t have the same language to describe the same thing.

          saay

          • Hope

            Ahlan Wo Sahlan Prof Salih A A Y ounis!
            Huh huh,huh,I am honored to have such a “nice and long ” respnse about my comment(already deleted).
            FYI: The EPDP attempted million times,not only to take video and to interview the Refugees but to create jobs and short term Vocational Schools with the help of the EU.But giess who blocked it?
            The “Respectful and Sensitive Habeshas” in the South-to borrow Haile words and adjectives.
            Long Live EDF
            National Reconciliation NOW
            Go EPDP,the Party of Real Change

          • Hope

            Saay,

            You said:

            “Look people. Yesterday, in Libya, two Eritreans were killed by ISIS and one was injured. Yesterday, 14 Eritreans were kidnapped from Shegerab in Eastern Sudan by armed men. (The kidnapped include underage kids and females.) Today there is news that, in Libya, 85 Eritreans were kidnapped by ISIS, and the group includes females. Erena is reporting that one of the UNHCR-run refugee camps in Ethiopia, Adi Harush, is not providing services to Eritreans.”
            But you and they missed this:
            About the perceived and real threats,the conspiracies,the sabotages,the Contain and isolate policy on Eritrea…and their deliterious effects on Eritrea as a Nation and Eritreans as a People.
            Point-fingering at the PFDJ and repeating the same litanies over and over is but insanity by definition.
            our Job should NOT be ONLY Reporting but more about Acting.NOW!
            As much as ” the Dying PFDJ” is doing everything to survive,we should do way better by waking up from Hibernation.
            As Opposition so far for the last 20yrs plus:
            What have we done to help and organize our Refugees in Libya,Sinai,Israel,the Sudan and Ethiopia.
            Tell me a single act to help them.
            Tell me what the self-appointed eri Human Rights Activists and Pentecoastals in England have done about the social needs of our new comers to spare them from Depression and Suicides?
            Did U mention EPDP?
            You are a voracious reader and analyst..
            Read what the EPDP has done in the Sudan so far.Time permiting,I willl provide you with details after contacting Wedi Amar,one of the major text books of Eritrea and his daughter,Ms Sofia…on the Humanitarian Activities the EPDP and its affiliates have achivied and provided with.
            BTW,I thouigh I self-banned for three wks and you threatening me again to be banned?
            OMG,that is unfair.
            Ok I will volunteer to self-ban myself again for two wks.Fair enough?

          • Abi

            Hope nefse atabza eroro
            ” Ewur bishefit eske guwaro “

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            For a few second, I thought you were talking about yourself about being detained and cursed you for not telling me “egletalieka” so we can be detained together to keep company of each other, discussing and doing pushups 🙂
            I totally agree with you about the Keren boys of these days:-)
            Ok, about the detained together and doing pushups, is not mine, a PFDJ supporter told me that so what if the G-15 are detained to save the country, they will be in one house together, keeping company and doing and enjoying visitations from their former comrades, IA
            The other day you provided a befitting quote , “if they make you believe absurdities, they will make you commit AUTROCITIES”
            About the humiliation of Eritreans by IS, it a story that hits home everyday these days, a people without government and without opposition that advocates for them is what we have become now

          • saay7

            Hey cousin iSem:

            Sorry, you caught me at a bad time: I am not in a humorous mood today. This week, I was debating with Ghezae about the different roles that liberation fronts and civil society have and should have. Liberation fronts organize a commando force, like the Israelis did in Entebbe or what they did after the Munich 72, to show the world that they may be a small population, but they are not to be messed with. Civil society organizes “candle-lit vigils” and “prayers”. Faced with the gruesome ISIS, we are all candles and no Uzis.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            No problem, me too. I will tell you all about in a different channel. For now, just remember the IS and Libya thing hits home everyday.
            And that I am not in humorous mood, you get to be buddy, we look up to you for lots of things
            later

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            What wrath? We have our share of seb seleste maadi. Feel free, I can do nothing when people want to go naked. But I will have a problem if they want to make this forum a nudist camp.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Say7,
            honestly speaking you are the star here. everybody waits your posts and articles to learn more and more.
            I have attached the links you attache when Selam was posting and replying at 4am from Asmara. but she didn’t feel it. I was reading books and articles about heart and mind till now. I didn’t still came to the point what makes someone heartless to his fellow citizen.I hope you educated guys will come under the same tile “heart and mind” and expose how dictators play with the heart and mind of people.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            I have read it but here is the question sir, what I said was ,we are becoming immune to every bad news about Eritreans and Eritrea ,so looking to news of killing and other things result in nothing. The reason I did not want to debate or comment on that issue was that , one day if you remember ,you were accusing all the muslims so ,I told you I will not even look at it because I was some hoe suspisouis you may want to play the religion card ,this is my understanding . Every bad news is bad ,how many people you want to have killed ,I am sure you do not need the dead and any one around does not wish any harm to any of these people. But what is the solution to stop it fro happening again ? These people reach Libya because some one fianced them from asmara to Libya ,so who is to blame ,PFDJ yes 100% ,but does DIA care about them ;NO NO. Do the Eritrean people rise up NO NO.so what is the point I feel sad and do nothing.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            that is where heart and mind works. PIA don’t care about it as you said. do you and me care? if we care the first thing is how much sad we are, and you didn’t show me that you are sad at that time. that emotion is important. as you said being sad is not enough? we have to agree on the root cause. no external force should be blamed as first hand..this is what I was trying to put since ever. you and your kinds know very well things are clear but escape blaming opposition, weyane, US, even God at times. “we know PFDJ is criminal but…..(every reason) ”

            now you are telling me someone is financing them to escape from Eritrea. I don’t know if this true, but if it is true why some one do that? at the end of the day every road leads you to the main cause that an Eritrean chooses to go through those risky roads than to stay in Eritrea. then kill the main cause and live in peace girl!! just for those 5 ugly guys should we lose 5M people?

            if opposition are not up to that work, here you are young energetic girl in Asmara. What I mean is don’t give useless reasons to stay away if you your self is not PFDJ… PFDJ has sent everywhere people who try to exploit boarder issue, weakness of opposition, etc, don’t be among those coward men an women. stand for your right.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            Some one is financing them means just their family and friends ,no one do i know to be other .
            The family paid and then help me cry and feel sad about the lost lives. Any one will feel bad and angry yet the key is not on his hand . By the way what is that you have with my kinds. I did not blame the opposition for the killing but i blamed them for not standing on the correct side of their people solution. I am not expecting PFDJ to help them because why will they do that ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            okay, correct them and stand against without mercy.

            https://www.facebook.com/hagos.seltene/videos/819923221431518/

          • Nitricc

            Hi SAAY I hear you and the problem is that we are getting to the point of indifference.
            Everyday we hear bad news after bad news and we are immunized against any reaction.
            “Desire is half of life; indifference is half of death.”

          • haileTG

            Hey saay,

            Here is one additional link:

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11655543/86-Eritrean-migrants-kidnapped-by-Isil-in-Libya.html

            Your point is also shared here, to the last dot.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            First of all I apologize for not writing in geez. I’m getting closer and closer.
            The following is for the Isis victims.
            Yemiyamesasilen sinfelig sinasis
            Zare agegnenew kechekagnu ISIS.
            Abro mesaq qertoal belu abren enalqis
            Leqsoachin legara destachin lebcha
            Legna dinqurna altegegnem acha.
            Enant tadagiyoch tilant yalefachihu
            Nefsachihun amlak endirekebachihu
            Starbucks teqemTen aleqesnlachihu
            Amlak aTegebu keqegnu yawlachihu
            Yesu yishalachuhal min ager alachihu?
            Egnam resanachihu.
            RIP.

          • teweldino

            የሚያመሳስለን ስንፈልግ ፤ ስናሽ
            ዛሬ ኣገኘነው ፤ ከጨካኙ ኣይሲስ
            ኣብሮ መሳቅ ቀርቷል ፤ በሉ ኣብረን እናልቅስ
            ልቅሷችን ለጋራ ፤ ደስታችን ለብቻ
            ለኛ ድንቁርና ፤ ኣልተገኘም ኣቻ
            እናንት ታዳጊዎች ፤ ትላንት ያለፋችሁ
            ነፍሳችሁን ፤ ኣምላክ አንዲረከባችሁ
            ስታርባክስ ተቀምጠን ፤ ኣለቀስንላችሁ
            ኣምላክ ኣጠገቡ ፤ ከቀኙ ያውላችሂሁ
            የሱ ይሻሏችኋል ፤ ምን ኣገር ኣላችሁ፧
            እኛም ረሳናችሁ።

        • haileTG

          Hello Hope,

          I won’t say names but you should have got in touch with me and I could have arranged all the protocol for you and your kerxit of ful n baldonga to be escorted to Sarina Hotel. My friends are all over the system and sometimes included the highest personell in immigration. Some have now retired and recieving treatment in Europe after going through posts in external intelligence (EPLF), immigration, diplomats and now they are putting their feet up (age and life took its toll). Also, I can arrest people too, so you need to watch out when you call me names (although generally that is what I am trying to discourage and promote democracy – but don’t push it:)

          So, Hope I am glad you got to meet you mom, that is important regardless of what the reasons or circumstances created the occasion. Next time you want to go, give me a shout, we’ll straighten things for you…but watch out don’t annoy me what ever you do, you don’t want to be locked up do you:)

          • Hope

            Huh,Huh Hailat,I like that kind of “Diplomatic Threat”.
            I might be a Double Agent with an Immunity too but I did not know that sarcastic name calling will lead to an Arrest warranty”.
            If Asmera Rose remained free,I guess I can get away with name-calling…unless you file for a Serious Defamation”.
            Plus giving you a Five * General is the Highest Honor in the Army.–and it was meant to be a compliment,btw,for your unique,to the point but at times suspicious Intellectual and Political ” Dishonesty”(oops, sorry if this is name-calling).
            BTW,I read your Heart and Mind ” Article belatedly.
            I loved it but :
            Where were we until this minute?
            Couldn’t we have done a better job?

    • Abi

      Hope gerageru
      Endemin aderu?
      Hope temelese ageru kerarmo
      Yale yelelewun ZERO teshekmo
      Wegebu gobeTe bezerowoch bizat
      Ghetabna dawit ebakachihu agzut
      Welcome back, cousin. I almost missed you and your zeroes.

      • Hope

        Ghedel ghiba weregna oldy Essepa.
        Ayaghebahim and ayimelektihim!
        Addendum:
        Salutations:
        Dear Guad Abinet

        • Abi

          Hope nefse
          Afe quriT yibel !! Edeglign.

  • selam

    Dear S.tesfa

    aye aye dagna Adina
    ,enda reana kem zeyreana
    bi tenkolti tekesisna
    ab gezae gezana
    ni hilfet ente teferdna .
    Mehderi seena tesegigna
    ente zi ruuyuna ezom xelaetina
    men kon mis tehagose bizey guana ,
    aye aye dagna nay lomzemen
    ay kemkedemun entay daa kemzemenu.
    AYE BAYTO ADINA MIS MEN GEDIFKINA .
    Anti hamra lamey …..

    You have never read awate.com more than me and you have never followed awate.com more than me ,I can bet and beat you with every coin you own ,if you have any. Stop milking the tree to grow your parasite. I am not PFDJ and I never was and by that you are crossing one of the rules of this forume which is NOT TO ACCUSE PEOPLE WITH OUT PROVE.
    It is heart burning to just say ,yes yes yes yes for almost the same word in all over 210 comments in this article .do not you want to be challenged with a profession you know and love best ? I want you to understand if TWO people or THREE people like Haile ,Mahmud saleh , SJ and more agree on every thing and close the door for other ideas ,what then ?.You have a happy day !!!! does it sound some thing a complain from a person that I know more than any one in this forum ? Something is smelling like that. I did not insult any one ,I did not rush to bottom out but I think it make sense to say to a person to stop crying and pick his shoes or what ever it is to fight back and get what is his own. You take what you lose by out smarting your opponents ,yet you are not ready to accept me from the date that you remember .

    • sara

      Dear selam
      dont bother with those who want you to stay way from awate. as long as you follow the rules of the awte forum and you have the good will of the owners sg/say stay on your ground.do you know you have more follwing than those who want you ourt, atleast i know from my femail friends. we say we have one young and restless girl represent us
      day and night at awate. good job selamina!

  • selam

    Dear Haile TG
    Lets make it the correct way, if in case my smelly word in case you find it idiotic and cheap about me. What I asked from you was ,where do these women go after the dance ? why is this dance given to PFDJ ,why .First of all they are all in the west who some how claimed political asylum ,how does it sound they come out supporting the govt they fear and run away ? Have we done our share to challenge them in a game that we know on equal knowledge ? How is that Haile TG able to miss much this with comments thrown from some people and use it against heartfelt pain. If you feel as hack from the back I wanted to take it back and say ,it was not meant that way . But I expect more from people I dearly respect like you and others very few in this website. How do PFDJ machine are able to beat us in our place and with a game that we know. that was my question and honest critic to wards your take was not mean any thing NEGATIVE .I selam swear it was not that way.
    I want you to tell us what is that we are doing wrong and what is that they are doing good. Forget Syria ,Iraq issues even Somalia isssues they are 180 degree far away from our case. We have build an army that brought them to power and yet we are suffering from the after shock of ghedli secrests (only to the CC) now I have been participating and even contributing to the opposition for long time but now I am nearly frustrated and angry some times clueless .Does not I have a credible point to feel desperate , I am not like the Great SALEH JOHAR who has elephant skin and also endless HOPE.

  • S.Tesfa

    Dear Moderator,

    Selam has posted four pieces in an hour time( mind you it is 4am in Asmara) and bombarded three of Awate’s forum members with reply that mainly disrespecting the victims( “SO WHAT……….”), tarnishing individuals and/or groups who oppose the regime, belittling any effort and struggle to get rid of the dictator BY intentionally trying to spin the debate to less important details( by distracting the course of debate).
    Most member of this forum, who enlighten and share their experiences and ideas that would help in the effort to bring change to the life of our people back home, waste their valuable energy and time by engaged with gibberish of Selam. She have succeeded many times in derailing main idea of debates of the moments and by destructing the focus very cleverly from the enemy(the dictator).
    I understand that you are trying to accommodate different views and idea. As the motto of Awate is to embolden, inform and inspire stake holders and contribute positively to our people and country future but continuing to tolerate such disrespecting ideas and views will only serve the interest of the PFDJites. They do have many outlets for such matters and they can post their ideas their. We need Awate to stay as our voice and ears with its high standard and caliber till the dictator falls and beyond.

    Regards,

    • Pass the salt

      Hello Tesfa,
      We know the internet cafes do not open at 4 a.m. in Eritrea. We also know there is no home internet over there. So where does that leave us?

      • Hope

        Halaf Menghedi,Mizaan,S Tesfa.
        I thought one of the bosses told sarcastically us that she is from Sweden or Norway,—using some ashmur words.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear pass the salt,
        But if someone said I am I Asmara , what can we say about it? may be she is from PIA office. He must be sleeping and allowed her to write Lol.

    • Mizaan1

      S. Tesfa, I think she just came from hibernation or shall I say from suspension. Somebody needs to awaken Tes, screaming moose on the loose.

  • selam

    Dear Forumers
    SO what ? who give a damn clue about these people ? tell me who ? We just see and write and then pass to other hot news whether it is false news or a bogus political propaganda . Now READERS have the time to say zillion times bad words about DIA ,so what ? Do you think such video which is true in nature and bad in taste will raise the silent majority to POP UP and dissolve DIA ,no no ,this video is only a 0.001% of what we all know for almost 10 year but who really will care and jump beat the dram that can stand on the knife edge ? ,who among you is brave enough to leave his home ,his wife ,his constant travel schedule ,his nice job and come die for these young people in this video .Absolutely no one among you and neither do I .This is the truth so did DIA stay and laugh at our flooshness. Now The Weyane government may want to send a wave of videos which are true and sad to watch but who are they fooling any way ? me ,no ,no for me this is old news and boring .This is even old news for some one from Somali origin who grow up in Kenya . Stop being a brat kid on the neighbourhood and be a man .Talking ,Talking ,Talking .What then ?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Selam,

      actually it is to awaken those who are in deep sleep and those cheated by PFDJ. it is about watching self and stop complaining about others. today there is a news to Eritreans are killed by ISIS, if you go for searching the case it will pain you. if the main reason is PFDJ for not administrating the nation, remember you and me should regret also for not removing to save our people.

      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-libya-islamic-state-militants-kill-two-eritrean-migrants-1504522

      • selam

        Dear K.S
        Do you think the Eritrean people are fool of koboro Junckies ,as our chief said long time ago ? Do you think Eritreans did not know about what happen to his son ,daughter ,husband and wife . Come on any one would awaken in a 2 day harish life not 15 years .You need to examine what is really missing ? check what is missing .It is not the bad news that was few in these 15years ,actually bad news about Eritrea is all over on daily bases . Now you may think THE PEOPLE are fool of junckies but I remain to differ ,as I know they are not . Running around and blaming your opponents on daily bases makes the news just as Christians or muslims praying as if their god comes now and pay their credit card or bail them out from their chapter 11 of their daily life problems but that is not the case in politics nore does it work in religious people . Going deep and watching yourself is just as looking to the future and avoiding the same mistakes but what did we do .are not we again back to square one blaming ,blaming .

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Selam,
          what kind of heart do you have ? I thought you will surprise when you see the news. what is going on here? just as nothing happened you are relax and pulling me to dark hole…are you having sense? Look, think about it and come back please with an idea instead of talking about oppositions weakness. what do you feel in when you read the news ?

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            I have told you ,I have said enough and too much about how people killed and nothing special about their death. but how to prevent such act of evil is our job. It does not need my heart, it needs my own reassessment of doing my work. They are dead nothing is going to happen to them again ,but how do we stop such act from happening another years is the most demanding job. DEAD IS DEAD but what is remaining is important. How do we stop that is question.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            again as simple as that? this is happening dear !! this is not stopping and is painful while you are talking nonsense.

            it is costly to find an information that helps you to find (or understand) the reason why something is happening. imagine investigating and searching the reason of death a man in the city…how much work does it takes you to know who behind is. in our case the nation is in comma state and the first step is to accept that we have totally corrupted “government” the plain truth. now you don’t have time to talk — you have enough of it. act ! if you don’t want all styled tried you go on in your way. by only stopping others do their job you are indirectly prolonging the life of PFDJ and at the same time indirectly ( if not directly) you are participating in killing people. ወይ ስርሑ ወይ ግደፍዋ ሰብ ት ስራሕ ::

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            As usual defending the political idiots is your habbit ,I hardly agree on things that try to paint me as if I am talking nonsense while he is talking and defending a rubbish . I actually know PFDJ is a group of people who are criminals by profession but it took me 15 years to know we have an opposition who are politically corrupted ,idiots who can never stand to help their people. Now do I need an explanation about a criminal ring leader ,on how he killed people ? why will any one need any information to just say oh ,ja that happened this day and it repeated again this day .No I a not adding days to DIA ,I am saying time is running out for a plan to dump him,Yet you are saying we have time ,we will do it the other day. Is not it a cowardically edited film you are watching ,when ever you talk or defend about the opposition pls remember ,you are adding DIA time to hack so much young men life. Stop being whining ,I am just reading the practical ablity of your hidden secret opposition groups . sneals travel all night just to get smashed by a car on the road. Seanels

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            forget about that opposition thing. I know there are lions among opposition, I know very well. in fact they are in trouble with you guys more than DIA’s case. that is why I have different stand calling them to separate from foxes and cats. Personally I have requested I don’t know how much acceptable by my group to go out of this confusion and move armed – get calculated risk to clean.

            others have their suggestion, I don’t have objection if they are practical people. some want coup, some negotiation, some reform etc. My way is cleaning the garbage means cleaning every odd.
            you may have your way. go a head. but don’t tell us as if you want change but you reject every opposition. it will not work. everyday you are telling us you know the crime of PFDJ then you are against exposing PFDJ. take stand women,

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            what I am saying is ,what ever it is in the box ,it is becaming too late for many people .We have suffered too much for so any and now ,what again waiting. Every body go to USA or Europe and then stay silent and then build houses all over , and then say nothing and then no news about some of the brave once you are saying. K.Sit is really frustrating K.S. It is bad bad,

    • Pass the salt

      ከኣ መጸት መጸት፣ ሰላም መጸት
      ትመስል ካብ ዱር ዘወጸት።

      • selam

        Dear Pass the salt
        ከዐ መጸ መጸ, ጨወ …. any way , what I could not say in to your face is always not valide. so I remain to remind you to stay at your sit and eat your pop corn as you can never afford when you are dead. Nothing is given or taken after death every thing remain silent . what is going on around ? pass the salt ,as you may already know salt importance in our daily dish is decreasing ,

    • Peace!

      Hi selamino,

      The issue is not about whether the documentary videos are fake or engineered: yes, the victims are our mothers, fathers, sisters, relatives, and friends, and yes the sufferings are also our faults. It is not a secret given our life is full of horrors. But the issue here is what is the purpose of politicizing such tragedy? Who gave TPLF the right to add salt to our wound?

      Regards

  • S.Tesfa

    Dear All,
    ወይ ዝብሉኻ ግበረሎም
    ወይ ኣዶም ግደፈሎም

    Very disheartening trend.

  • Abi

    Hi Sem
    I say you should thank derg more than any other help you got including the nasty Arabs for mismanaging everything including the 30 years war. You didn’t win against ethiopia. You will NEVER, EVER win against The Mighty Ethiopia!!!!
    You won against the corrupt and hated derg that cut its right hand with its left.

    • Semere Andom

      HI Nitricc:
      you were well represented in the dergi sir

      • Abi

        LT
        Give me more examples please.
        When the derg generals were in your payroll, when you were paying tuition for children of derg officials in the west, when the enemy was inside, what do you expect.
        you seem to be happy to remind me that we are poor. I know that . I’ve said that before. Since that is the only thing that gives you satisfaction, go ahead tell me more. I don’t deny your happiness.
        I don’t believe in luck. If that was the case , fire everyone and hire lucky ones. If you don’t see it we are still under a minority’s rule. Since they are your kin , you don’t see it. I live with it hoping that change.
        You said eritrean win ethiopia? You are not funny. Never!

        • Semere Andom

          Dear Nitricc:
          But first admit the 3000 story did not give you those facts, then I can tell you.
          As if you were not canonizing Dergi and supporting it when it unleashed its “equal opportunity crimes”, now you are denying it, oh, yea Dergi was made up from aliens

          • Abi

            LT
            Yezinjero menged biketelut gedel. You go nowhere with this.

            Ebakih semere chiqchiqun tewew
            Yetameqe feshin gumm salasmeslew !
            Damenaw demno mishit yemeselew
            Negeru ahun gebagn yesemere fes new.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere is there any reason for using my nickname? What are you implying by using it? You breaking the rules of the forum.

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Nitricc:
            You are correct, it goes long way, once in a heated debated I called Abi the Nitricc of Ethiopia, it was a jab:-)
            I was not implying anything about you now, it was to remind him what I called him then, but I many have a better opinion of you now than then, so nothing

  • haileTG

    Dear awatista,

    Just for laughs…

    Following these videos, some one in the forum put 1+1 together to figure it out that the video was released with the ministry of defense of Ethiopia (it is not you Gheteb) and it was in preparation for the decades anticipated dooms and gloom day of “woyane invasion of Eritrea day”. In plain English it is translated to be the day hgdef fears most where harbenga weyanay will make it lick the soil (amed siyaslsew:). Hopefully it won’t come to pass because the Ethiopians may not go behind our blouses to whack PFDJ, just out of Habesha respect and sensibility:) Anyhow, the awatista who was alerted to that was up in underpants all day yesterday, reinforcing all defenses. Sleep well now dear PFDJ awatistas, the hero in shorts had secured all fronts from Burei to Mereb setite. Yesterday was busy day and he is getting his mighty sleep now. ግዲ’ብልኩምን፡ ቀትሪ ቀትሪ ከም ዝብኢ ዝድቅስ፡ ለይቲ ለይቲ ድማ ከም ዝራብዕ ዝዘውር ጂግና እዩ። I hope he now chills and re-evaluate the documentary and go back to his sleep:-)

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi HTG,

      I knew you were not referring to ‘Gheteb in your post simply because I wouldn’t be “putting one and one together”, but instead I would have been “putting two and two together” for that heuristic, Eureka moment.

      But, here is the thing that has left me furiously scratching my head. You say that:

      ” the Ethiopians may not go behind our blouses to whack PFDJ, just out of Habesha respect and sensibility”
      Leaving aside the putative term “Habesha and Habesha respect and sensibility”, tell me where was the Ethiopians “Habesha respect and sensibility” when the marauding troops of the invading Ethiopian armed forces perpetrated all the untold looting and wanton destructions in 1999-2000 years?
      Or, they just acquired the “Habesha respect and sensibility” in the recent years?

      • haileTG

        Hi Gheteb,

        In our context , your second answer holds, i.e. they’ve re-discovered (as did we) their Habesha respect and sensibility:) Back then, we were all acting on wrong information and were ready to finish each other off. Today, it is different, whenever there is Giffa in Eritrea, one way to avoid it is to cross over to Ethiopia where families can sit for a coffee for first time in 8 years. Today, the devil hgdef is alone and scared. The people are looking each other in the eye more and more by the day. I believe the Habesha respect and sensibility will grow and regenerate again to fill the space with greenery. Follow how the people are doing it themselves and you will see a whole different canvass of reality. Old wounds need time to heal, and Eritrea has a right to be a NORMAL nation out of the clutches of mentally unstable personalities.

        Regards

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi HTG,

          I don’t share your sanguinely optimistic views regarding Ethiopia’s plans vis-à-vis Eritrea and The Weyane’s Eritrean agenda. I consider what you describe as “Habesha respect and sensibility” as nothing more than an utter claptrap.

          I believe that the agenda of the Weyane was regime change in Eritrea in 1998-2000 as it is now. In essence, nothing has changed, though different tactics may have been deployed these days. Nothing new in the Weyane agenda, just may be an old wine is peddled in a new bottle.

          You, HTG, are so inured in ascribing all manners of denigrating words/phrases to the PFDJ/Isaias. From Isaias being stupid/unstable to the devil hgdef. You once also averred that PFDJ to be dead.

          In the deep waters of the hyperbolic ocean that you seem to love to be wading and swimming, I think you keep forgetting that PFDJ is still alive and kicking to the utter chagrin of all the forces that are arrayed against it. I am telling you that is one amazing feat that even the likes of professor Mesfin Woldemariam are grudgingly admiring about Eritrea these days.

          Even Italy declared just yesterday that it is going to resume a bilateral relation with Eritrea. This is in addition to the upcoming EU aid to Eritrea that the Eritrean “Activists” and their foreign political soul mates so mightily campaigned against.

          To the utter consternations of the prognosticators of doom and gloom in Eritrea and to those daydreaming about the ‘death of PFDJ’, the Eritrean tableau that I see through my MIND’S-EYE is rosily upbeat.

          • haileTG

            Hi Gheteb,

            No forces are arrayed against hgdef, the problem is they are all arrayed to look away from PFDJ. Don’t believe hgdef’s claptrap, it is an isolated, forgotten about and irrelevant lost case. If Ethiopia wanted to overthrow hgdef this week, it is gone. PFDJ HAS NO FUNCTIONAL capability to wage war on state-to-state now, Ethiopia simply stop dreaming, that is a new reality. No one with sane mind will stand and defend hgdef (Eritreans themselves might get into conflict but only criminals would fight for hgdef). That is how bad things are 45,000 military only to Ethiopia in 10 years says it all. Your cause of celebration is about getting some slack cut for you to be less ignored, what does that say? Question: why do you think PFDJ are hated by everybody? Do you think that question merit honest examination? May be the don’t know? Let’s discuss that:)

          • selam

            Dear Haile TG
            It is actually to the opposite ,we have been saying PFDJ is dead ,count how many times ,we have said this .I have said such words beginning from 2004 to 2015 ,you know for a fact undermining your political enemy openly with empty word is not a savvy political game nor does it make sense. Now I and you as well as so may people should ask ,why is PFDJ still having a considerable amount of supporters even in the diaspora ? ask yourself because living in your own world like DIA is a bad way of living. Politically most of us are guilty of so many things but is not it fair to have a fair question ? Come on be honest with me and others . Selfish game or words here and there but the same word has been circulating for 10 years .DIA does not need soldiers and he does not need to do anything ,actually he needs nothing to worry because we are here doing his job destroying each other with false and empty words.
            Dear haile TG this is for being honest, politics and propaganda aside.45,000 ,yes he can send 100,000 more to any camp out side Eritrea and you and I will finance these people to cross the sea and land in Europe and do nothing to oppose PFDJ. Now why will PFDJ worry about even 200,000 men crossing the border ,tell me why will PFDJ think of these people? Tell me these people are not asking PFDJ and the could care less about DIA time in his throne ,so do DIA ,he does not care whether you hate him or love hi. What he needs is our empty words to continue for another 10 years period.

          • teweldino

            Hi Selam,

            If a group of Eritreans choose to use armed struggle route to remove PFDJ, would you wish them success?

          • selam

            Dear teweldino
            Since you are not honest man to discus or give any good advice ,I would probably reject your boiled question but here is what I would like to say to you SIR ,I would support 100% a plan to dump DIA in his bed and dissolve PFDJ once for all. But I will also oppose any military action the come from south with their accent full of the same as old as 1961 to 2001 .Now you may not be a debater but you have the time to come up with an idea that tells me a plan that can clear the current system with out dividing the Eritrean people in to bloodshed. 100,000 men dead and 200,000 men dead is always bad news but the end must be a promising end not a dark night. With your IF A GROUP , still you are saying if .
            ONE OF THE PENALITIES FOR REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN POLITICS IS THAT YOU END UP BEING GOVERNED BY INFERIORS. I forgot who said this but it fits the Eritrean Opposition .Eritrean opposition who ever they are not participating in a politics ,they are participating in a wishful day dream . sad but true.

          • haileTG

            Dear Selam,

            I agree with many parts of the brutal truth. But, not so much with the conclusions there of, i.e. IA’s capacity to go on unchecked. Let me ask you, dear Selam, if 10 years is long time or short time to build strong institutions? Here is our catch 22, IA need to undermine institutions to maintain dictatorship internally, but the distraction of such institution would result in weakening the nation to the point of ungovernable eroding his control over time. From the nation’s point of consideration, the longer it persists without institutions, the deeper it will sink in total chaos and instability, once IA finds it ungovernable and increasingly loses control. The opposition’s ability to create mirror institutions has been has been weakened, that doesn’t yield IA better chance of governing longer than he can afford to, but will complicate matters further when his natural ability to push forward without institutions reaches the end of a line. Look at what is happening today. As the regime loses control to tame outflow of the population, it is bringing it in collusion course with external entities who are being left to deal with his problems. These external entities would then put demands on it that it can’t put in place internally. Such condition leaves it open for more censuring externally and impossible to control crisis internally. IA is considerably weaker today than in 2004 and Eritrea’s crisis are considerably intractable today than in 2004. Those are not controlled by the opposition’s ability to rapidly institutionalize or not. They will happen regardless. When the time comes that the center finally falls from the system, the current failure will finally exact its full cost from all of us.

            So, I agree with you that we are long way away with being in a position (or even no way at all) to provide assurances of stability, but we are far too over capable of expand the instability. Everyone is talking about PFDJ, so PFDJ or the regime may be receiving small challenge from a weak and disorganized grouping of one opposition. But it is also receiving the same from dozens more like that, from external forces, from internal challenges, from its own limiting factors… and when you tally up the net forces working against IA’s system, they are much more than can be deduced by looking at one or two weak organizations.

            The truth that you stated stands in as far as reflecting the situation. Your earlier point that talking to each other is also still a valid solution proposal. Unfortunately, I can’t say if that is indeed going to happen or not in time to bring change. If however, change comes of its own accord due to multiplicity of factors, the way it stands now, it is hard to predict what or how be replacing the center. And losing a center has been too common in the recent events around us. Incidentally, those places who have now lost centers, didn’t have strong opposition either, but that didn’t stop change from coming on due time and a nightmarish one at that.

            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi HTG,

            You say:

            ” No forces are arrayed against hgdef, the problem is they are all arrayed to look away from PFDJ.”

            Well, this is a bald-faced falsehood that flies in the face of the following observations.

            (1) Here it is right out from the horse’s mouth, prez Obama;

            ” I recently renewed sanctions on some of the worst abusers, including North Korea and Eritrea. We’re partnering with groups that help women and children escape from the grip of their abusers. We’re helping other countries step up their own efforts. And we’re seeing results. More nations have passed and more are enforcing modern anti-trafficking laws.”

            (2) Well, do I need to remind you about all unremitting effort to cut off the 2% diaspora remittance to Eritrea since 2000.

            (3) Sanctions imposed as a prelude to regime change in Eritrea.

            (4) The Weyane’s Eritrean agenda which they attempted to implement through naked aggression in 1998-2000. Now that attempt was met with a stiff Eritrean resistance and failed miserably to achieve its intended strategic and political goals, for the past 15 years the Weyanes have been conducting their agenda through the no-war-no-peace means. This is what is dubbed as the Weyanes Selahta Werar. So far, this plan has not panned out and failed to achieve its goals.

            (5) Diplomatic isolations of Eritrea as confirmed by WikiLeaks as was the case with Djibouti and the efforts to persuade certain Gulf states from extending financial support to Eritrea by officials of The Foggy Bottoms.

            I can enumerate litanies of facts that show the forces that are arrayed against this poor, not yet fully formed nation and yet the most amazing thing is that the PFDJ led government survived all these machinations and PFDJ is yet again has proven the very ‘Eritrean thing’ of never kneeling down. They did it as EPLF before and they have been doing it nowadays as PFDJ. I say, this is astounding by half!

            You also query:

            ” why do you think PFDJ are hated by everybody?”

            You see this is what I told you before when I said, you love to wade and swim in the deep waters of a hyperbolic ocean and what you have just asserted perfectly illustrates the embroidering tall talk that you indulge in when you write about the PFDJ.

            PFDJ is hated by everybody? Are you out of your cotton-picking mind, HTG? If everybody hated PFDJ, it would have evaporated into thin air a long time ago. The truth of the matter is that from the smallest hamlet in Eritrea to the largest cosmopolitan cities In the West, the PFDJ has committed and dedicated supporters, be they workers, professionals, youth, students and women. I bet you that if Eritreans are living in the North Pole, you would have found a PFDJ chapter right there.

            Sure, there are implacable anti-PFDJ Eritreans, be they the oppositions groups or individuals who hate anything and everything about the PFDJ. Some are even still nursing stale resentment against the PFDJ/EPLF they have ended up to wallow in the deep seas of utter illogic. Amanuel Hidrat is the very exemplar of that anti-PFDJ cohort. Others are mere appendages of the Weyane that no Eritrean will be able to tale them apart from the Weyanes.

            Now, please ,HTG, don’t tell me about the video that was recorded in Adi Abeyto by the “Arbi- Harinet” innocents and anklebiters to prove your assertion that “the PFDJ is hated by everybody”.

            Whether we like it or not, whether we want to deny it or not, the PFDJ has proven to be a relentlessly nationalistic organization with a very lengthy resume in that department and, in contrast, all those anti-PFDJ groups’ track record miserably pales in comparison to that of the PFDJ.

            Hence why they, the anti-PFDJ forces, have so far been relegated to be wandering and meandering aimlessly in the political wilderness.

          • haileTG

            Hi Gheteb

            1 – “…groups that help women and children escape from the grip of their abusers.” I never thought you would fall for this crass that is most circulated by 03. This message had been translated to Tigrinya, disseminated through so many youtube, paltalk… Gosh Gheteb, you really think the Obama govt. is part of the Boudinies, Rashaidas and PFDJ generals??? Dr Alganesh is one of the groups that help women and children escape their abusers in Sinai in Eritrean case and many others in other countries case. That is all to this fat PFDJ peddled lie.

            2 – I have already answered this in the recent past. If any power wish to stop 2% what would stop it other than proving that there was no “unremitting” of the remit. They can just say paying 2% is illegal. What would PFDJ do? nuck them? That is also another phantom enemy.

            3 – Saay aptly and expertly addressed that. I would be dishonest to claim I can match his take on it and offer better. It is self imposed.

            4 – The only Selahta werar was the way IA snuffed out early promises of better days. The weyane/Ethiopians are at the border and occasional raids. Selahta worar may also be what you saw on the video above when we can’t live in peace in our country as people.

            5 – You don’t need Wikileaks or whakyleaks to tell diplomatic isolation of the regime. It is there to see. Name me 5 world leaders that visited Eritrea in the past 15 years? There, that is my point when I said “Everyone hates PFDJ”. Did you see the humiliation in Bologna 40? The mayor literally insulting the PFDJ dignitaries that were consigned to privately hired stadium? Sanctions votes, HRC hearings, EU parliament…they are really rejects. I am saying let’s stop pretending and flesh this out. I mean it, it is abnormal that they can’t see it. So, the everyone part was referring to outsiders that you keep claiming to be arrayed against. No, none is. It is insignificant but problematic entity and has no real power but lies through the teeth on virtually EVERYTHING.

            Regards

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Cuz Gheteb:
            Yes PFDJ is kicking, but “mnbar like mot, bzuh eyu aynetu” 🙂
            about what your mind’s eys sees, you are not alone, I see rosy upbeat too, but only when watching the colorful dress donned by the koboro junkies, without using the H ward on them, that is.
            If you tell me you see rosily upbeat else where, you must have lost your bearing, maybe you are watching across the Mereb, but even there you will see folks who were feature in the documentary and they were not upbeat, time to change your mind’s eyes

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Haile TG:
          I was just discussing the documentary with a friend, who is not PFDJ support and he is still brooding over the 1998 deportation because his family was a victim.
          But a glaring fact remains and it is the fact that Eritrea is unsafe for its people and the pople are fleeing to Ethiopia and that the Ethiopians have shown generosity and opened their doors and that should redeem them from the humiliation they have inflicted on the 70K innocent Eritreans to get to the few hundreds PFDJ functionaries. It was easier and less costly for both countries to hunt and identify the PFDJ stooges who were totting guns to destabilized Ethiopia and sentence them to death.
          Ethiopians have tasted life and it is good and this is only the beginning and they have learned love is more rewarding than hate and they seem to have compartmentalized the entities of PFDJ and Eritrean people, that is why they did not avenge PFDJ’s crimes on the Eritrean, lessons learned from 1998 deportation.
          But the PFDJ supporters do not see that even when Eritreans tell them, that is called hate and it cannot pass without taking its toll. The hospitality, generosity of the Ethiopians will not be in vain and it will pay off in the form of peaceful relation in the future, it is not only Habesha sensibility, it is human .
          But the bigots in both sides need to be watched as they can wreck havoc, as you can see in this forum the hate mongering is baffling

      • Hope

        Ahlan Cousin Gheteb,
        So,you have been naive to that extent about Haile TG and his agenda?
        Yes,indeed,the PFDJ was supposed to be dead by now had it not been for the mercy,habeshanet and sensitivity of the Weyenti!
        But Haile TG has never dared to show us his gut and courage about the other aspect of the Weyenti “Sensitivity and their respectful habeshanet”,but he rather, conveniently put aside the “prophecy of his master,PMMZ,RIP,about the above documentary.
        Isn’t PMMZ,who engineered the fate of the those “refugees” in his own words?
        Yeah,he is trying to blame and victimize the PFDJ while fully knowing the whole conspiracy saga,not to mention the real and perceived threat Eritrea as a Nation has gone through….
        He left aside all the hard-core facts of the Open Ethiopian Threats fully backed up by her masters and the declassified Wikileaks….and now he up-graded and escalated his obsolete Psycho-Warfare against Eritreans, and boldly told us that Eritrea and Eritreans are at the Mercy of the Ethiopians and that we have no way out wether we like it or not.but give up or else/otherwise…..
        But if he believes that History is the Lving Witness,he should pause and take a deep breath and wait—for —
        But the FACT has been, is and will be:
        Eritrea and Eritreans will prevail,no matter what and even if another 100,000 EDF members flee Eritrea!
        Mark my word.

  • Abi

    LT
    Engda endalilh hule timeTaleh
    Lijim endalilh bedme tibelTaleh
    Huletunim wused engdalij neh
    Engdalij mebal min yibezabhal?
    LeEndante aynet chingaf min sim yiseTutal ?
    Minew zim bitil batangebegbegn
    Arfe liqemeT selam atnfegegn.

    • teweldino

      Hi Abi,

      “ማን ኣሳድጊ ኣላት፧ እንግዳ ልጇን” ነበር ያልከው …….

      • Abi

        Hi Teweldino
        Yes I did say that and more. I hope I didn’t offend you.

        • teweldino

          Hi Abi,

          That is what I said when I read his comments. Lelam yasblal

  • teweldino

    Hi L.T,

    This video below will help you understand more about the Massacre of Mai Habar in 1994 (fast forward to 3;20 to watch him narrate what made him sob in daylight) . Some disabled tegadelti in Mai Habar demonstrated outside their camp demanding the government to allocate salaries to disabled fighters as it had done for able bodied fighters (after similar demonstration). The government’s brutal response overwhelmed everyone in Asmara. When the disabled fighters in their wheelchairs and crutches wanted to march towards Asmara; the government soldiers mowed them down with live bullets and killed a dozen disabled tegadelti! Fighters who lost their limbs and sight fighting for Eritrea were killed by Eritrean soldiers for a mere act of demonstrating on the roads outside their camp. It is interesting how people still say መጋድልቶም ሰንኩላት ተጋደልቲ’ኳ ዘይገደፉስ ንዓና ክምሕሩና፧

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDJ0MKwhQxo

  • Eyob Medhane

    Hello Everyone,

    I just dropped by to say something, not about the documentary, but about EBC…

    Those of you, who say EBC targeted Eritrean refugees for propaganda purposes, you are mistaken.

    EBC produces documentaries about Ethiopian refugees, child labor victims and so many other issues that you may not expect a government owned news outlets would touch. Though, it is not BBC or CNN, there is a bundle of professionalism and talent in that place. Do you want to see what EBC has to say about Ethiopian refugees and migrants? Here it is…

    http://diretube.com/mobile/etv-documentary/ethiopians-migration-to-arab-countries-video_ad72883a4.html

  • Girum

    This video is made right before or after the election in Ethiopia. The target of the propaganda is not the Eritrean Public but the Ethiopian one and all it says is that “the developmental state” policy of the EPRDF made Ethiopia a breadbaske where as others are drowning in the the Ocean of problems. Stereotype Ethiopians swallow that and stop wondering why commodity price hike is getting worst, atleast for a day or two.Weyane made Debebe Eshetu swear to God that he never ment to oppose. Tamrat layne confessed on TV about how he “fell for the sugar”. This is not the first time Mega Corporation produced such videos and it wouldn`t be the last. If everyone in here agrees With the fact that there is “NO PROBLEM” in Eritrea, then there is really no problem and so we should all Lough.

    • Peace!

      Hi Girum,

      Our TEKAWEMTI are Ethiopians too, but just for political purpose. It has been same all same “my enemy is enemy is my fiend” We wish them the best!

      regards

  • Abi

    LT
    Tedebqo neber jegna yemiyaleqsew
    Adebabay weTa hodun hod bibsew
    Wendum aleqese esti yihun gidyelem
    Mesaleqiya sihon landandu lifacham.
    AyiT kegudguwadu anbessa honena
    YalagiT jemere qen beTalew jegna.

    • Eyob Medhane

      Abishu,

      “…….AyiT kegudguwadu anbessa honena
      YalagiT jemere qen beTalew jegna…….

      That just says it all…That was really good..I mean…really, really good. Thank you…

      • Saleh Johar

        Eyob and Abi,
        This is a superb piece, than you Abi. It is so true I might try to translate it into Tigrinya.

    • teweldino

      Hi Abi,

      Thank you for the touching poem.

      • teweldino

        Hi Everyone,

        Here’s my attempt at translating Abi’s poem:

        ተኸዊሉ’ዩ ነይሩ ጀግና ዝበኪ ኣብ ቤቱ
        ኣብ ቃልዕ ሕንቅንቅ ኢሉ ሎሚ ፤ ሓጠቅጠቅ ምስ በሎ ኣምዑቱ
        ደሓን ከኣ ፤ አንተበኸየ ሙሉእ ሰብኣይ፤ እንታይለዎ፧
        ገለ ገለ ነፋጣት መላገጺ አንተገበሩዎ
        ኣብ ጉድጛድ ዘለው ኣናጹ፤ ኣናብስ ኮይኖምሲ ያእይ
        ከላግጹሉ ጀሚሮም ነቲ ግዜ ዝበደሎ ጀግና ሰብኣይ

        • haileTG

          Hi Teweldino,

          “ኣብ ጉድጛድ ዘለው ኣናጹ፤ ኣናብስ ኮይኖምሲ ያእይ”

          is I think as poetic and so far the best fit. (ks C’mon man, you’re taking time 🙂 ተኸዊሉ’ዩ or ተኸዊሉ’.. isn’t going well for me yet. Make sure it doesn’t get double meaning:)

          work in progress…Abi sira abeza’h bak’eh:)

          • teweldino

            Hi Haile,

            I agree with you, even ተሓቢኡ would have been a better word. I think finding a fitting word for ቀን በጣለው will be the tiebreaker.

        • Kokhob Selam

          ደቂ ዓበይቲ ሰላም

          ብዙሕ ይቅረ :ኣጋጣም ምሉእ ናይ ስጋን ነብስን ዕረፍቲ ወሲደ ጸኒሐ ::ሓደ ሓደ ግዜ ከይደቀስካ ግን ኣብ ፍጹም ሰላም ሸለው ኢልካ ንነዊሕ ምጽናሕ ካብን ናብን ዘይብሉ : ምልእነት ዝዓሰሎ ግዜ የድሊ እዩ :: እዚ ካብ ግዜ ሞሊቅካ ናይ ምጋሽ ክእለት ኣብ ሕጂ የንበረካን ናብ ፈጣሪ የቅርበካን እዩ:: ፈትንዎ ::

          ናብ ጉዳይና ክንምለስ ግጥምታት ኣብ ምትርጓም ሓደ ዓቢ ኣገዳሲ ነጥቢ ከዘክረኩም :: ብኣብነት ከኣ ናብ ‘ቲ ነጥቢ ክወስደኩም ::

          እንተ ኣስተብሂልኩም ገለ ገለ ፍራፍረታት ካብ ሃገር ናብ ሃገር ብዝተፈልየ ሽም ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ብዝተፈልየ ቅርጽን ሕብርን መቀረትን እዮም ዝፈርዩ:: ኣብ ባንግላዲሽ ዝፈሪ ምልዖ ወይ ኣውሒ ምስ ኩነታት ኣየር እታ ሃገርን – ኣብ መሬታ ዝርከብ ንጥረ ነገርን ምኽንያት ካብ ናይ ሃገርና ፍልይ ዝበለ እዩ ::ካልእ ኣብነት ክህበኩም እቲ ኣብ ሃገርና መዓር ጽጌና በጀካ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያን ሱዳንን ኩዌትን ገለ ክልተ ሃገራትን ኣብ ካልኦት የለን :: እሞ ድማ እቲ ኣብ ሃገርና ዝርከብ ኣዝዮ ዝተመርጸ ትሕዝቶ ዘለዎን እዩ ( እዚ መዳይ ብዙሕ መጽናዕቲ ዘካየድኩሉ መዳይ እዩ) ኣብ ካለኦት ሃገራት ክርከብ ዝኽእል ጽጌናይ ድሮ ንጥረ ነገሩ ዝተፈልየ እዩ ::

          ቃላት ውን ከምኡ እዮም : ሓደ ቃል ኣብ ትግርኛ ዝህቦ ትርጉም ከም ተጠቃምን – ምኽንያት ዝጥቀመሉን ኣብ ልዕሊ ምውሳኑ – ናብ ካልእ ቛንቛ ክትርጎም እንከሎ ካልእ ትርጉም ክህብ ይኽእል እዩ ::

          ድሓር ኣብ ምትርጓም ግጥምታት ሓደ ቃል ነቶም ካለኦት ‘ውን ክሃስዮም ስለ ዝኽእልን ስምዒት ናይ ተሃዋስነትን ተንካፍነትን ከየጉድልን ከይውሰኸን ምሕላው ከገድሰና ኣለዎ ::

          እስከ ን ኣብነት ነዛ ግጥሚ ክትርጉማ ክፍትን እየ:

          “ተደብቆ ነበር ፤ ጀግና የሚያለቅሰው
          ኣደባባይ ወጣ ፤ ሆዱን ሆድ ቢብሰው”

          ኣቢ ኣብዚኣ ግጥሚ እቲ ጀግና ፈትዮ ዘይኮነስ ምስ መረሮ ኣብ ቃልዕ ክበኪ ከምተገደደ ክገልጽ እንከሎ – እቲ ሰደትን ምረቱን ካብ ሙቁጽጻር ወጻእ ምዃኑ ወላ ‘ውን ጀግና ክህበኣሉ ዘይከኣለ ን ኣሰቃቅነት ናይ ‘ቲ ወድዕ እዩ ሓቢሩ :: ሕጂ ብኡ ኣቢሉ እዚ ሰንካም ሰብ (Abi) ክሳብ ንዑቃት ሰባት (ኣናጹ እሉ ዝገለጾም) ከምዝሰሓቅዎ ክሕብር እንከሎ :-ኣብ ውሽጢ ነቲ ጠንቂ “ግዜ”ኢሉ ብምሕላፍ ነቲ ጠንቂ ክንሓስብ ዝጽውዕ ሓያል ሓሳብ ክውሕጠና ከምዘለዎ ግይሩና::

          so here it is in Tigrigna –
          ተሓቢእካ ምብካይ ጀግና ገዲፍዎ :-
          ኣብ ቃልዕ ጀሚሩ ምረት በዚሕዎ::

          ስለምንታይ ተኸዊሉ ዝብል ቃል ዘይተጠቀምኩ? ተኸወለ ዝብል ቃል ሰብ ከም ተሓብኣ ምሉእ ብምሉእ ኣይገልጾን እዩ ::ዝተሓብኣ ሰብ ተኸዊሉ እዩ ዝሕባእ: ግን ዝተኸወለ ኩሉ ግድን ክህባእ ኢሉ ከይክወል ይኽእል እዩ ::

          ” ወንዱም ኣለቀሰ ፤ አስቲ ይሁን ፤ ግድየለም፦
          መሳለቂያ ሲሆን ፤ ላንዳንዱ ልፋጫም። ”

          ኣብዚ እቲ መልእኽቲ ነቲ ምብካዮ እስከ ይኹን ምርጫ ካብ ዘይብሉ ዝዓይነቱ ሓረግ- ግዳ ኸኣ እፍሊ ነፋጣት ክላገጽሉ ምርኣዮ ከም ዘሕዘኖ ኣብ ዕምቆት ናይ ታ ግጥሚ ግደፉ – ውርድ ኢሉ ነታ ጉዳይ -ኣብ መዕጸው ዶርጎሓ::

          “ዓይጥ ከጉድጛዱ ኣንበሳ ሆነና
          ያላግጥ ጀመረ ፤ ቀን በጣለው ጀግና።”

          ምብካያ ሲ ይብከ እንታይ ከ ክገብር :
          መስሓቕ ጓህማማት ምዃኑ ድኣ እምበር ::
          ግዜ በዲልዎ ብብኽያት ምድማጹ :
          ኣናብስ ኮይኖምሉ ስሓቁ ኣናጹ::

          ብሽሕን ሚእትን ኣገባብ ምስ ተርጐምኩዋ ግን ክቡራት ኣሕዋት ግዜኹም ክቡር እዩ

          የቀንየለይ

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    The angry voices of the eye witnesses in the video are evidences of the cruelty and harsh treatments they suffered at the hands of the Isayasists. As they say, there is a kind-hearted neighbor who opens another door of life in replacement of the door closed by own hateful family (the criminal government of Isayas). The hateful Isayasists, who are not even indifferent to what they see in the video, they are speaking of more hates. The love barren policy of Isayas as the cause of hardship and the hate expressed by his pros here are everyday reminders of the curse that has befallen Eritrea and its people. The curse and what the video shows may get many of us into believing that, “Love opens the heart; indifference closes it; hate nails the door shut” (Benjamin Frankline Woodcox).

    For a total of 50 years (pre & post-independence) Isayas has led the country into the dark, delivering nothing but hate against all neighboring countries and the world. The darkness, the country and its people are in, will not go away unless Isayas is gone forever, because of the truth that, “Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that” (Martin Luther King Jr.).

    Isayas is stuck in hate and contempt. Because hate is tattooed or engraved upon Isayas’s mind and heart, his harsh treatment of the youth and the Eritrean babies will not end unless the hate practiced by him is ended by force and is gone without return. Yes, unless the hater is gone, he will continue the hatred and the destruction as much as he hates the country and its people. And, the Isayasists are hateful of the Eritrean people – that is why they are clinging to Isayas because they enjoy his hatred and contempt upon the people and the country. Indeed, the Isayastists’ hate of the youth and the Eritrean people is already worsening rapidly, as evidenced by their posts here.

  • Abel

    Dear L.T.

    For you,watching this video while having a beer and a fatty hamburger seated on your comfortable coach looks like a movie,for 99% it is a sad reality.What an evil mind.

  • Mizaan1

    Please read this heart wrenching message below that I received from my little brother in Eritrea just moments ago. He works at a ministry at a senior level (civilian) as a lead of so many projects in the whole country.

    He told me he has decided to leave and I was asking him how he intends to proceed from Sudan or Ethiopia given the recent developments. His reply:

    “Anyway
    welehade amaraxi yebleyn. I will take all the risks even the sahra and the
    meditranian sea. wala kabu ymeles, welahade tesfa yelen. Amlak zbelo kkewn eyu,
    Abzi bkemey nalfo alena balna nfelto wala ab xrgyatat nay Europr yhayish.
    Anyway please don’t worry ezi just nafltoka eyu. but I have already decided no
    turning back Amlak trah bselam kewxana xelot gber.”

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Mizzaan
      This is too common, but the deniers of zemen Hgdef will deny it, just like the denier of holocaust, they will tell you it doe not happen, Until it happens to them personally. But those of us, who crave justice before we are wronged believe you.

      • Mizaan1

        Selamat Semere, I don’t know about dawit nieshtey but I can almost bet that Gheteb is playing the devil’s advocate for us to think harder. He is supremely intelligent to really believe what he writes.

        • Semere Andom

          Mizaan:
          Gheteb has not exuded passionate cruelty, the devil’s advocate thing will be tested in due time, news will emerge that will that

          • Mizaan1

            Semere, well at the very least, I do not personally believe that Gheteb believes what he writes. It is impossible. It is as if Einestein believes the earth is flat.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mizaan,

            ይግበሮ ኸ!! ኣንታ ሓቅኻ ኳ ትኸውን —ኣፍካ መዓር ይምላእ ::

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mizaan:
            Do not count on the analogy you mention about Einstein
            How about someone who is too smart and became math prof and through out his career he spent years to prove Fermat’s Enigma. He tells his students that math is beauty, think out of the box and then goes and tells Eriteans that PFDJ is doing the right thing
            Also , consider an other person, he becomes a journalism profs and he teaches his students to be skeptical, to ask questions and dig deeper and find truth by exploring facts from people and other sources. Yet he goes to Eritreans and tells them that PFDJ is the best thing that happened to Eritreans.
            Moral is, the rules change when it comes to how the PFDJ supporter is wired. It is not just IQ problems, it can also be heart problem

          • Bayan Nagash

            Selamat Semere A.

            Your remarks in this regard are Sspot on!

        • አዲስ

          Mizaan,
          Trust people when they tell you who they are or what they believe.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mizaan,

      That is the reality of every house hold in Eritrea. That is the common story we hear form Eritrea. The heartless and mindless PFDJ are pushing the Eritrean people to take all an imaginable risks. Issayas and his party will emptied the nation we paid dear for. He will take us down with him as he told to Amabssador Andebrhan. He mean it and will go to the end to fulfill his mission.
      Amanuel Hidrat

    • haileTG

      Dear Mizaan,

      I am sorry to hear that. Now in that context, how do explain the lyrics of this song that was played few cities away from the scene of the greatest tragedy that your brother is afraid of, Lampedusa. Remember I am not asking about the Koboro men there, just the song and the realty on the ground:)

      https://www.facebook.com/yossiefy/videos/10205447266119580/?fref=nf

      • Araya

        Hi Haile; I have told long time ago that you should have come clean. I guess; time is the element; you have reached to the point you can’t swindle it anymore. Lol, exposed. you are one giant fake.
        How is Tigray doing?

      • Mizaan1

        Hi Haile, I know how you are trying to make a connection between fihira’s song from the 70s to our reality today. But those songs and just the mention of ghedli and sewra sends chills through my bones. The legacy of ghedli and its unimaginable continuity is how our fate came about in the present. I have vowed to refer to ghedli for pedagogical purposes only. I cannot relate to it and I wish I can erase it from my personal self as part of my history.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi HTG:
        Do not go there, you know the lethal combination of Koboro and the big mac and women
        It seems to me that warrari does not have to come, it is there

        • ‘Gheteb

          Cuz Semere,

          I have just finished about all your cyber “diagnosis” which you are trying to perfect into an art. All I can say is good luck. And here you are talking about this historically significant song by Fihira and you can’t help it but talk fiddle sticks.

          You have also made an outlandish claim that the PFDJ supporters are wired differently?

          Well, take a break from what has become your craft of cyber “diagnosis” and what do you have to say for yourself here?

          • Semere Andom

            Cuz Gheteb:
            Do you have to choose this one to reply to me cuz,regarding what you call my cyber diagnosis?
            Taking a break is always good in any craft, it allows the subconscious to gestate, leading towards the perfection of that craft, in effect the antidote of intellectual fatigue:-)
            I have to give back cuz and likewise you must take a break from this anguished defense of PFDJ
            yours
            Sem

          • ‘Gheteb

            Cuz Semere,

            Just two things I need clarifications on:

            (1) The Fihira song
            Awet Qalsna Bidmna

            (2) ” Moral is, the rules change when it comes to how the PFDJ supporter is wired.”

            Just want to know what your beef is with the historical song and what is (2) all about?

          • Semere Andom

            Cuz Gheteb:
            This all started when Mizaan and I debated PFDJ supporters and we both agreed that you are a devil’s advocate, a term I have used to describe you before. I agreed with Mizaan that you Gheteb do not exude what I called passionate cruelty Then mIzaan said that you are too smart to believe PFDJ propaganda like Einstein believing the earth is flat. Then I said, it is not a IQ thing, which you a have plenty, it is a heart thing:-)
            I gave examples of a math prof and a journalism prof, who are obviously smart mind wise but support PFDJ, even canonize its crimes.
            About this song, it is shameful to me to see the “quelle” junkies dancing their hearts and breast out to somethng that does not belong to them, a stolen courage and heroism at a when their loved ones are terrorized by the incumbent “werrari”, that is my beef.
            This “shibrya wedi shibrya” donning harlots dancing to a heroic song is “mrKhas”,

          • ‘Gheteb

            Cuz Semere,

            Thanks I got it, I mean the first one. However, the second one is getting a bit trickier, Cuz Semere. I mean who and how are you going to determine as who the real inheritors of this historic song to be? By whose moral authority and by what criteria? I know you are going to bring the tragedies of the Eritrean refugees in the high seas and being the supporters of PFDJ and Isaias.

            Is that reason enough for you to declare, ” This “shibrya wedi shibrya” donning harlots dancing to a heroic song is “mrKhas”. ” I can’t stop scratching my head, Cuz Semere.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Cuz Gheteb:
            No you do not know that I will bring the tragedies of the high sea, I was hoping that you bring those for once, for change as it will server as a balanced diet;-)
            remember in the late eighties when in burning intellectual pursuit you were roaming the halls of UofK and I in pursuit of the same was crashing your classes because I was not qualified to use the main door. remember those days? during those days there was a professor, who was the dean of the Arabic language, not the dean of the department, but the dean of the Arabic language. A female, student propositioned him and he reportedly told her, “qurri ya mettkae”, “leave you devoid chastity” This image is what I get when watching the video of this women, pounding their chests to showcase and celebrate their captivity somewhere in a free worl and the captivity of the entire Eritrean people.
            Question to you, in whose moral authority do they own the that song in their “aythazuni keguriE iye” indecency

      • Kokhob Selam

        ክቡር ሃይለ

        ደረኽቲ ሓይልታት ሰውራ ነቲ ቀዳማይ ጸላኢ ኢሎም ዝኣመንሉ ኣባይ (ተጻይ) ዘሎን ዘየሎን ቀላጽሞም ተጠቂሞምሉ ምሕላፎም በይኑ ኣኻሊ ኣይነበረን : ብኣንጻሩ ነቲ ኣብ ስልጣን ዝነበረ መሪሕነት ብዝተፈላለየ ዝንባሌታን ሕማማትን ድኽመታትን ጅሆ ሒዙ ዝነበረ እከይ ላዕላይ ኣካል ከይተዘንጋዕካ ብቱኽረት ምጥማትን ብኣግኡ ንገባቲ ኣተሓሳስባታት ምቅንጻልን ‘ውን የድሊ ነይሩ እዩ :: ኮታ ስውእ ዘይሕተተሉ ህያው ግን ክንኣምነሉ ዘለና ሓቂ– እቲ ንቅድሚት ምምራሽ ድሕረ ግንባርካ ካብ ግዳማዊ ጸላኢ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ካብ ውሽጣዊ ጸላኢ ዕቱብ መኸተ የድሊ ነይሩ እዩ ::

        “የቆጡን ኣወርድ ብላ የብብቷን ጣለች ” ዝብል ምስላ ኣምሓርኛ ከምዚ ምስተረኽበ እዩ ተመሲሉ ::

        ተላሃይትን ደረፍታን ሰብ ኪነትን ዘየድመቅሉ ስርዓት ኮቶ የለን :: እዚ ሕጂ ዘለናዮ መድረኽ ከኣ ንለያቡ ዱልዱል መሕበኢ ብዓቲ ዝኾነ መድረኽ እዩ :: ንምታይ ድዮም ድኣ ሓቂ ክትዛረብ ምስ ዝሰምዑ ቀርኖም ዘብልሑ ?

      • selam

        Dear Haile TG
        Ask what is missing from our side not from your political opponents because they already knew what is missing in our case. I hate the notion that any one about EPLF is PFDJ and so does it connects with sea deaths ,that is ugly and bull judge here .You are a great man as every body knows ,but I am still wondering with people like you and SJG ,the opposition are yet to quantify their DNA and rise to the task. Ask what is missing sir .If these people are PFDJ by your smelly words then where do they go after the dance ? Their home , so who is waiting at home ? lazy man ,idiot man who can do nothing and agree on nothing. I read all your comments the koro junckies was in your booklet and I find it offensive and a cheap political word which can not come from You, the Great. Do not you think DIA and his cronies beat us with our own weapon ,with things we own ,this should have been our voice but they took this from our hand and yet you are complaining .What is missing and how to get back is the job of great men as you correctly but wrongly applied the KOBORO JUNCKIES.

        • haileTG

          hello selam, disquse has eaten my reply, give it time:)

  • Peace!

    Dear all,

    The ironic is that all of sudden the life of Eritrean refugees need now more attention than the life of internally displaced helpless Oromos and Somali Ethiopians, let alone the thousands of homless Ethiopians in the streets of Addis. This is nothing but a PLAIN PROPOGANDA!

    • Nitricc

      Hi Peace. Look no further. The timing itself is a clear and present propaganda. When ever there is a talk in lifting the sanction; the weyane start saying some siit accusing Eritrea by saying destabilizing the region bla bla and this report is no difference. Lately Eritrea was getting some positive news and there were many nice reports on Eritrea and the Weyane couldn’t stay mum and they had to do something to ruin and encounter the positive news. What is sad is Even AT is in it and trying to tell us how to read. They are telling us that this report is professionally conceived and not a propaganda one; seriously— AT?
      Memo to AT! just do what you do best; report and leave it to us to judge for our selves.

      • Peace!

        Hi Nitricay,

        Agreed. I don’t know what went through the mind of awate team when making decision to publish such propaganda. Helping refugees is a moral value, not politics.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Peace,

          ኣይፋልካን !!

          ወላ ‘ውን ነዚ ኣስካሕካሒ ተሞክሮ ድሕሪ ምርኣይ ገና ንህግደፍ ምድጋፍ መንቀሊኡ እንታይ እዩ ? ጽላለ ዶ ፍርሓት ውልቃዊ ሕሉፍ ታሪኽ ?እዚ ንበሎ እቲ ውጽኢቱ ሓደ እዩ – ጭካነ – ጭካነ ኣብ ልዕሊ ‘ቶም ምእንቲ ሰላምናን ሓርነትናን ነታ እንኮ ህይወቶም ካብ ታ ዝፈትውዋ ኣካሎም ፍልይ ኣቢሎም – ሓመድ ኩን ስጋ – ፍሰስ ደም -ተኸስከስ ዓጽሚ :- “ምእንቲ ውጹዕ ህዝቢ ዓለም ትትረፈኒ ” ኢሎም ዝኸዱ (መንግስተ ሰማያት የዋርሶም— – ኣብ ዝለዓለ ጀና ፈርዶስ የስፍሮም ኣሜን ) ጭካነ ኣብ ልዕሊ ‘ቶም ፍርቂ ኣካሎም ስለ ዝተረፈት ሰንኪሎም ብህይወት ዘለው :- ጭካነ ኣብ ልዕሊ ቶም እንታይ ክገብሩ ከምዘለዎም ጠፊእዎም ብዓቅሊ ጽበት – ሃጽ ኢሎም ኣብፍቐዶ ምድረበደ ድራር ኣርመናውያን ዝኾኑ መንእሰያት : ኣረገውቲ – ኣንስትን ህጻናትን :: ሕሉፍ ዝኾነ ጭካነ -ይቅረ ዘይበሃሎ ካብ መስመሩ ዝሓለፈ ጭካነ : ብፍጹም ብዝተሓተ ደረጃ ሰብ ዘየብል ብእንስሳነት ‘ውን ዘይቁጸር ::

          ነዚ እንዳረ ኣኻ ኣብ ወጻኢ ብገንዘብ ኢሮጵያውያን እንዳ ተዓንገልካ ካብ ርሑቅ ምውርዛይ- ካብ ‘ቲ ኣብ ስልጣን ዘሎ ስርዓት ንላዕሊ ብገበን ዘሕትት ናይ ቦጅቧጃት ባህርይ እዩ ፡ቃላትን መግለጽን እኳ ኣይርከቦ ::

          • Peace!

            HI KS,

            You are an intelligent man, and please don’t let TPLF propaganda take you for a ride. The thing is people are tired of reminding you that ELF-EPLF chapter has been closed at least as far as the young generation concerned, and your REVENGE driven attitude toward current situation has also been REJECTED. Just stick to what you do best writing poems and jokes -;)

            regards

      • Saleh Johar

        Nitricc,

        AT should just report. You can make a judgment but the website editors can’t. Try to listen to your logic.

        • Nitricc

          Hi SJ. Do you think I was out of line when I said AT shouldn’t impose their interpretations on such polleticaly driven documentary dramas? For me; this is the first time AT tried to influence its readers to a conclusion. You have always reported and left it for the readers to be the judge. What makes you to change course on this article I don’t know and that is the main reason I called you out. Becosue that is one of your quality; report and let the readers make up their mind. Why change now?

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,

            You were not out of line. The “just report” reasoning applies to reporting, as in news. But would you consider an editorial piece anything but opinion based on judgement? Nothing has changed Nitricc, you just didn’t like the documentary, you felt it embarrasses Eritrea. Yes it does, It saddens me that we have come this low because of the Wedini.

            I think what you are trying to say is stay true, stay honest. In that case, whoever watches such testimonies would attest that heart wrenching or gut wrencing is the list that can be said to express the suffering. You should object if the statement was not true. I believe it was true, unless you want to say it is not gut wrenching, but CX C nerve effecting and vascular temoxerine nerve acid secreting agent stimulant imagery?

            Nah, gut wrenching is a mild expression, I felt like going up the roof and screaming as loud as I could. I didn’t, I wept instead.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            You wept because you have a heart besides the beautiful mind that you we all know you have

          • teweldino

            Hi Saleh,

            I felt the same when I read Abi’s poem.

          • Saleh Johar

            teweldino,
            A veteran with a scar to show for the cruelty, someone who watched his compatriots fall by the fire of his colleagues is laughed at by the mice! What else do you want to see to be depressed?

          • Peace!

            Dear SJ,

            Obviously Nitric is not trying to say is stay true. you are using his concern to make such EBC propaganda sound as if it is a huge victory for opposition groups.

            regards

          • Ted

            Hi SJ, Several times Mizan complained ” this site doesn’t look like the opposition site any more” i don’t know why he said it because i believe the success of this website is determined by the participation of all Eritreans to bring change in our country. The First and foremost weakness of our opposition has been our inability to engage the people in the struggle. That in mind, i have a problem with your editorial vis Avis the people you try to influence/inform. The tragedy is real and Gut wrenching not because of this video but the story we all know around us from Ethiopia to Italy shores. You said to Nitricc “you felt it embarrasses Eritrea.” not exactly, The theme of the documentary is not exactly about pride. It says we(TPLF) care for Eritreans than the gov of Eritrea,it is the propaganda Aboy sibhat want to spread and this is the extension of that in elaborate ways . No Eritrean will buy this kind of patronization. Your editorial fail to see the intention of the documentary and what Eritreans think about it. In my opinion it is wrong judgement, adding insult to our the injury.. You fall for TPLF’s mind game( no heart whatsoever) just to use the opportunity to accuse the” Wedini”.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            Thank you for the eloquent response. Yes, SJ’s response to Nitric was not simply addressing Nitric’s concern, but rather, he used it as an opportunity to inject his usual unsolicited message to silent majority.

            Regards

          • Ted

            Hi peace, the site is excellent in creating an environment for all us to discus our country problem, it has also need to be responsible not to miscalculate its influence to the people at large. I think hasty move just to score points against PFDJ eventually hurt the cause, if it already hasn’t.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ted:
            this last sentence of your comment has been said immediately when this website came to being. It was said by Dr.Kamal Ibrahim, who was dubbed the watch dog resident for his prediction that awate’s “aggressive” attack on PFDJ will backfire, culminating in its ultimate drying up of readership. Dr. Kamal was also hopeful about the situation in Eritrea, calling it, “he has seen the bright future in Eritrea.” and back then awate was so slow to call IA, a dictator, they called him so after the arrest of PFDJ and journalist. Dr.Kamal’s prophesy did not come to pass.
            Awate has shined by telling the truth as it is and its founders soldiered on at the risk of their reputation. Back then the “Pencil” was so sharp and every Monday it gave us an editorial that was fit for the well-founded global newspapers with penetrating intensity

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, if you have contributed for the success of this website when people are doubting it, i salute you. We are reaping the fruit of their hard work. but i don’t get your point.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ted,

            We have always been accomodating, without forgetting our main reason for existence. Some people think they are so smart when they are just plain foolish. Here is how a very tolerant friend put it: We can take off our overcoat if the PFDK goons would feel better, just for tolerance sake. Then they ask us to take off our shirt, we do it. Then they want us to take of our shoes, the socks, until we remain in underwears. Some are so callous they would ask us to drop everything off. And there is limit to what extent we can tolerate to accommodate them. I feel we are feeling the same.

            We draw the red line and you being a reasonable person as per my experience in our exchanges, I do not think you want us to give away that right.

            I think the following is so unlike you: “Your editorial fail to see the intention of the documentary and what Eritreans think about it.”

            Aren’t we Eritreans? Isn’t our feeling an Eritrean feeling? Is there one-size fits all Eritrean feeling? If thatw as the case we wouldn’t have difference with the Valineki Clique. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have Eritreans who chase other Eritreans and jail them. You could simply represent yourself and say “I do not agree with this judgment” Only then you would understand the weight of your opinion. It’s 1 over several million, just like any other Eritrean. Claiming to represent all Eritrean feeling on your own is a fallacy. Stay away from that kind of reasoning Ted. Your judgement is only yours and it should be taken only as that. And it is healthy as along as you do not claim my opinion is right and others are wrong. Such problems can only be solved in a free country, unfortunately we do not. May we meet on Eritrea’s liberation day–If you come to Keren, dinner is on me 🙂

          • Ted

            SJ, You have mentioned it before, the site is the opposition site, i have no problem with that. You have tolerated many(thick skin) even those come here just to insult and belittle the opposition. My point was different, just to say to it is productive to have people engage under the guideline. Me, i try my best and i intend to keep it that way.
            Back to the editorial, in my opinion the things we discuss here has far more reach than the opposition camp. It is my desire to see sensitive and double edge issue like this to be taken with serious consideration and attention . i am Eritrean too doesn’t cut it knowing your message which has weights can affect Eritreans negatively/positively.
            I might go to Eritrea before Eritrea’s liberation and wait you there( don’t make me wait too long). Which way do you think you come from , from south with semere or drop from the sky with passport. Either way, it will be fun 🙂

          • haileTG

            Dear Ted

            What exactly does it mean when you say:

            It is my desire to see sensitive and double edge issue like this to be taken with serious consideration and attention .

            If you could please clarify in the following itemized order:

            a – What is considered” sensitive” here?

            b – What is/are constituting “double-edge” in this issue?

            c – What needs to be done to practically demonstrate “serious consideration” in this issue?

            d – What needs to be done to practically demonstrate “Serious attention” in this case?

            Regards

          • Ted

            Hi HTG, Since you accepted the documentary with your WHOLE HEART, my response might not suit you. But for the people who know TPLF’s MIND inside and out(almost all Eritrean, in my opinion) it is nothing but a charade or a show, it should not be taken at face value. The” serious consideration” is to imply this understanding of mine.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            Thank you for the swift and appropriate response. Please stick around some people need your lecture.

            Regards

          • haileTG

            Hi Ted, I don’t actually appreciate anyone having an opinion on the way I should form my opinions. I have long WHOLE HEARTILY rejected the dead men walking (regime) and trying to impose with their impotent ego. Anyhow, thanks Ted, I got to go there is an insect bothering us:-)

          • Ted

            Dear HTG, i hope they are not as many as 6 million:-)

          • Dear Ted,
            Yesterday it was 90m cows and today it is 6m insects. Why this weird perception of human beings? It is difficult to
            understand.

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Honest to God I cried when I saw the gentleman cry.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abishu,

            Let me show you what got Freselam Mussie (the singer that was on the documentary) arrested..

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zDwYuTRd9UE

            That was it…That was his crime, that got him arrested from a country that he was born, raised got fame and accolade from…

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Yesew lij hiwot endet rekese?
            Yemiyashelmew eyaskesese.
            “Wend lij bichawun new yemiyaleqs ”
            I’m so sad.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abiye,

            You know, when Freselam came to Ethiopia, he gave an interview to a Tigrigna Radio that broadcasts to Eritrea and the interviewer asked him.. “..Why did you abandon your country?…” He answered, “…No..I did not abandon my country. I just came from one of home to another one of my home…” Imagine, this youngman is probably 1 or 2 years old, when Eritrea became independent, and Isayas started his venom of hate especially among new born and young people to hate Ethiopia, and yet, especially with the young generation, his hate campaign was a total failure….That is what is driving Isayasists and other hate mangers crazy in this from and else where…

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Yelij Awaqi yiluhal endih new. I wish him all the best. Honestly, never heard of his name before. He is young and matured. The only Tigrigna song I listen is Tekle Tesfazghi. I don’t know what he is saying but I like him.
            Eyobe, Ato Saleh , Teweldino
            Thank you for your kind words about the poem. I was so mad I wrote it while stopping on traffic light.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Tekle Tesfazghi..ha..you are old school.. 🙂

            Freselam was found on their “Eritrean Idol” or in our Version “Balageru Idol” He’s a very good singer, and for a while he was their golden boy, but he got mature quickly on them. They couldn’t manipulate him.. 🙂 You should listen to some new Tigrigna songs..They are really good..you and I are almost in the same boat..My Tigrigna understanding is only one notch up from you…But there are really great Tigrigna songs I recommend for you to listen… From Eritrea, the immortal and died in a very suspicious circumstances legend Abraham Afeworki (very popular in Ethiopia, too) Orion Saleh, Jemal Romedan, Tesfalem Arefaine (Qorchach) (who likes choreographed Oromigna dance with his Tigrigna songs:-)) are great.. From Ethiopia, Abraham G/Medhin his wife Eden Gebreselassie Berhane Haile…You would love them..

          • Selam Eyob,
            That is exactly the very thing the regime in Asmara is scared of to death, Ethiopians and Eritreans coming
            together. It is afraid that this human-to-human rapprochement, would water down the essence of independence, and might even make it wither away with time. To them, this is cultural war, more devastating than actual war, able to bring down walls, fill open gaps and build bridges, and finally make the dividing line non-existent. The heart-to-heart rapprochement of the two people is the regime’s nightmare, and its anathema, because the existence of the regime in Asmara
            depends on Ethio-Eritrean contradictions and animosity.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abi

            This is an attempt, a translation can never be as good as the original. Read your work in Tigrinya:

            ተኸዊሉ ‘በኪ ነሩ ፤ እቲ ጅግና ንጋዶ
            አብ ቃልዕ ወጺኡ ፤ ቃንዛ ምስ ከበዶ
            ሰብኣይ እነተነብዐ ፤ እንታይ ከይኸዶ
            መስሓቅ እራይ-ምራይ ኰይኑ ፤ ዘመን ምስ ከሓዶ
            እንጭዋ ጉድጓድ ከይተረፈት ፤ አንበሳ ‘ያ ኰይና
            ከተባጩ ጀሚራ ፤ ግዜ ብዘውደቖ ጅግና

          • haileTG

            SGJ

            Good move. That is just a devastating blow to the entire edifice of the rotten regime and its followers. I am still mesmerized by the sheer power of Abi’s last two lines of that poem!! I will give it a try in Tigrigna too, although that level of depth would take real inspiration to poetically reproduce in one’s own language. Good lead sir. The following is the real punchline and needs a lot of care to recapture it in a different language:

            ዓይጥ ከጉድጛዱ ኣንበሳ ሆነና
            ያላግጥ ጀመረ ፤ ቀን በጣለው ጀግና።

      • Mizaan1

        Nitricc, please tell us the time frames of the positive news that Eritrea was getting and the production of these videos. What came first and how long later did the other phenomenon follow?

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Nitricc,
        .
        I am looking for straight answers from you on this topic. You have claimed to tell truth even if it is hard.
        .
        First of all, I am more or less with you about the propaganda aspect of the documentary. The Ethiopian Gov. people are saying they are good and the Eritrean Gov. is bad. O.K on that scale it is propaganda.
        .
        However, the questions to you to respond are the following.
        .
        Do you, Nitricc, believe there are refugee camps in Ethiopia with 10s of thousands of Eritreans in them?
        .
        Do you think, the statements these refugees have made in the documentary are contrived and forced upon them, by just listening to their voices and seeing their mannerisms.?
        .
        Do you consider these solders and civilians in the camps as traitors to their country?
        .
        What do you think is the cause or causes, setting Ethiopia aside for the moment, that forced these people to take unbelievable risks (including death) to enter these refugee camps for undetermined length of time?
        .
        Well, when I sat down to put the questions to you I had other questions which to my annoyance I can’t remember now. I will ask them if and when the questions come back to me.
        .
        K.H

        • Nitricc

          Hi KM; here are my takes to your takes.
          Do you, Nitricc, believe there are refugee camps in Ethiopia with 10s of thousands of Eritreans in them?
          **Yes there are! And there is more to it. Once PMMZ bragged and he said “ all we have to do is open refugee comps all over the borders between Tigray and Eritrea and watch Eritrea die bleeding” so, it is part of the plan to kill Eritrea and some people are falling for it. It is a trap.

          Do you think, the statements these refugees have made in the documentary are contrived and forced upon them, by just listening to their voices and seeing their mannerisms?
          **Don’t be surprised if TPLF gangs staged all this drama. They are the best actors ever. If they can bomb themselves and blame it on terrorists and Eritrea; just to get the anti terrorist fund and to get American’s sympathy; no one with an ounce of thinking cells can rule it out this current show. TPLF gangs are the best at framing, staging, labeling and accusing. The Best! If there are more Tigryans posing as Eritreans are resettling on the USA and in the west; why not this?

          Do you consider these solders and civilians in the camps as traitors to their country?
          **No; I won’t consider them as traitors but they are cowards; disgraced and opportunistic. What are they doing there? Is not the same country fought to get rid of? Is not the same people they bleed for 30 years? it is okay to lose your pride; but Never lose your dignity. I see no dignity on those people on that video; if indeed they are Eritreans. It is not even fair to Ethiopia! I know for the TPLF thugs nothing more will give them the highest satisfaction other than what you have seen on the so-called documentary; it makes them feel better about themselves. I am saying this not because I hate Tigryans but it is the truth. The Tigryans believe that Eritreans look down on them and there is some truth to it, according my finding that is. I get that; those two people sooner or latter have to live side by side but not now. Let the two people work on their problems and figured it out things before anything.

          “What do you think is the cause or causes, setting Ethiopia aside for the moment, that forced these people to take unbelievable risks (including death) to enter these refugee camps for undetermined length of time?”
          **It is impossible to examine objectively the root cause of the exodus of Eritreans with out Ethiopia; because Ethiopia is the root cause. I can tell you with an absolute confidence that the easiest and fastest way to get rid of PIA and PFDJ is to demarcate the border. When anyone ask PIA about any stability and for political progressions; he will tell you “NO” and he will add “we are in state of war” people say PIA is using excuse and I say; why don’t you take away that excuse and see how long his government can stand? The Eritrean people will revolt and demand change within days upon demarcating the border. Right now the people are stuck; they see the unfairness of the world toward the final and binding court’s decision and they see the refusal of Ethiopia to the verdict and they also see the need to defend the nation. So, they see no way out but to get out. The great motivator in taking the risk however is; they see those who made it helping their family financially and they must try to. In short; economics!
          Having said that; I can tell you the rigidity and ineffectiveness of the Eritrean government made things mush worst. The Eritrean government is ill equipped to deal with our time’s challenges and demands. At times too slow; at times too rigid; at times too paranoid to play the game. Instead of solving a problem at its infancy; they wait to make much bigger and dangerous and some how they survive it. I don’t how.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            Thanks for your response. I have read comments from some Awatistas who visited Ethiopia and those camps. In fact there was an Eritrean Dr. who was at one of the sights and wrote his observation. I think those who visit the northern part of Ethiopia must make the effort to go to these places to assess the situation for themselves.
            .
            I don’t know what the access requirements are on the Ethiopian side but you or someone close to you that you trust, must go to these places and find out the true picture. There is no substitute for talking with the folks at the camps. I am positive, the reasons for their predicament is as many as the individuals themselves.
            .
            I tend to believe and trust individual anecdotal reports from those who were on the ground as opposed to conjecture and globalized analysis. I also see with a lens of suspicion video productions with music in it.
            .
            I hope those who were there will tell us their own specific experiences. There is one thing that is clear for sure. There is smoke coming out of that house.
            .
            K.H

          • S.Tesfa

            Greeting,
            Calling names(by those of us who are “fortunate enough” to sit and pass judgement using our key board) to those interviewees on this documentary is purely being arrogant, ignorant and inhumane.
            I’ll never call and/or consider them that they are “cowards, disgraced and opportunistic” but admire their endurance and share/feel their pain.
            It is really mind boggling to witness how some among of us made their view/ political alliance/ cloud them to see/feel even the naked truth which are told by our own people.
            At least, for the sake of sanity,it is good to acknowledge the devilish behavior and deeds of PFDJ once in a blue moon instead of always passing blame on the victims.

            C’mon people !!

    • Bayan Nagash

      Dear Peace & Nitricc,

      Let’s suppose and accept your premise of conspiracy theory for argument’s sake that the documentary is propaganda, blatantly concocted by the enemy of Eritrea number one: The U.S., Ethiopia, Weyane, Djibouti, the list of imagined and real enemies of Eritrea are endless if one is to believe the paranoia stricken leader’s words, whose enemies seem to flip-flop at whims – Sudan may as well be on its way to the list of conspiratorial entities, soon if the AT analysis holds.

      Now Peace & Nitricc, do you believe any of the testimonies at all? Or are you saying this two part documentary is engineered and that these people are not Eritreans and that the producers, in their grand scheme, somehow, were able to convince these many human beings (Eritreans and not) to buy into their conspiracy? Please help me understand your line of argument here.

      • Peace!

        Dear Bayan,

        I think nothing wrong with saying exploiting such tragedies for political purposes is wrong. I have never said the testimonies are fake nor denied their Eritrean identities. I, too, am one of the millions Eritreans who are seeking for change, but I strongly believe TPLF driven change is not good for Eritrea.

        Regards

        • Bayan Nagash

          Dear Peace,
          Your pen-name gives me hope that that is your ultimate goal as an Eritrean – to see change via peaceful means. However, I want to see the peaceful Peace removed a step or two from the preoccupation with the messenger’s intent, to solely focus for one fraction of a second and consider thus: Do you (Peace) share the suffering exhibited by the myriad Eritreans the world over in general and those the documentary shows in particular, who are facing hardships unimaginable under serAt Hgdef, which was supposed to bring peace, serenity, prosperity, and it has brought the total opposite instead?

          Is it possible for us to be on the same wavelength, at least, on this? The agreement on this premise, I believe, will go a long ways in both of us beginning to see eye-to-eye in identifying where the problem may lie as I don’t profess to have the sole prescription in what ails us, but I know one thing for sure, Hgdef does not possess the prognosis nor the prescription to the colossal problems we Eritreans face today, because an arsonist can never be trusted to put the very fire that he was a cause of igniting.

          Sincerely,
          BN

          • Peace!

            Dear Bayan,

            Thank you I can’t agree more, and I wish it is the way you put it. I think the problem is far more complicated that PFDJ itself;
            as facts on the ground clearly reflecting, there are people fighting for political power. I am not naive to believe everyone against HGDEF is fighting for justice. I just don’t buy that.

            Regards

          • Tafla

            Selamawi,

            You have a sober approach to Eritrean politics. Justice, democracy and freedom are not interpreted the same way by everyone. One shouldn’t just assume they medan the same thing as “I” do. The political parties have similar programs, IF the difference is not ideological, there must be hidden agendas and mini-dictators in the making. That’s why I’m weary of over-emotional activists “deleyti fitHti” who might fall for anyone (including the devil) as long as he opposes The PFDJ and utters justice, democracy…

            Best regards

          • Peace!

            Dear Tafla,

            Very well said, thank you very much! It is sad that seeking JUSTICE has become a tool for pursuing hidden agendas. ( Mesheketi Koinu) I am afraid it might be loosing its value.

            Regards

  • Semere Andom

    Dear Dawit:
    I know it is very hard to see your baby dying slowly, painfully. the “tsemama hade derffu will not work, it has expired. But I have a suggestion why do not you take the initiative to mediate the Ethio Eritrea after all they may have sympathetic ear for your Ethiopianess

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    መርሓባ ኤማ፡ ሓንሳብ እባ ግዜ ሃበና። ብጊሓቱ መጺእካ፡ በዓል ሃይለ ኣበይ ተሰዊሮም ኢልካ ኣይትሻቐል:-)

    So, awatistas, is Sara heartless? Is the video a propaganda? Has dawitom got lost in the UN embargo’s maze of corners? What are we supposed to make of all these sad events? In deed, too many questions and too many possible answers. I will organize my take here under three subheadings as: Is this Propaganda or an Isolated Production?; The Useless Moments of the Mind; and The Fertile Heart.

    Is this Propaganda or an Isolated Production?

    Starting from the derogatory connotations of the concept of propaganda, i.e. information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view, does the video above fit in that category? Consider that the mass exodus of Eritreans started (including to Ethiopia) around 2003, that is almost 12 years. In the last 12 years, how many such programs/documentaries were produced and publicized by the Ethiopian authorities for the same purposes and in the same manners? To me, this is the first, if you know otherwise, please share a link. In 12 years, that is an entire period of time for a child to finish schooling up to high school, is one video, one too much to constitute a sustained disinformation campaign? Some, may consider it too late, too little, other may consider it timely and yet others may view it as uncomfortable truth regardless.

    As, I said earlier to Semere Andom (and will discuss it more later), the mind only looks for what it expects to find. For the supporter of the regime, his/her mind looks to find issues that would explain that away or undermine its validity. Equally true, the mind of the opposition to the regime, it looks to find how much impact this would make in advancing his/her charges against the regime. What is common for both is however, they are busy digesting and organizing the information to serve what is already their mind is tasked to prove or disprove.

    In reality, what we have is a documentary production. We can critique it positively or negatively on the message it contains, representations it makes (or fails to make), and analyze how it serves the intended purpose of creating awareness and motivating change (documentaries do that). Hence, a single production in 12 long years can’t rationally be construed as propaganda, rather be critiqued as a production that is relevant to some reality that concerns us all.

    The Useless Moments of the Mind

    As I briefly touched upon in the preceding section, the mind’s field of vision is narrow. It is limited by the bounds of what it expects to find. If think of a killer whale, at the final instant of coming to contact with its prey, it is blinded. This is because the very position it gets locked in the open mouth state, obstructs its vision (the eyes also get orientated to look upwards). The mind’s task is to either maintain the current position or gainfully advance it. When its ability to do so is neutralized by patently obvious counter realities it enters moments of uselessness.

    The regime supporter can’t bring his/her self to look into the substance of the presentation because it betrays the facts it wish to hide. Therefore, its mind is useless for all practical purposes, except to be silent or come up with even more ridiculous explanations. You then look at the opposition to the opposition and Ethiopia cursing segment of justice seeker. Again, this section has maintain the Ethiopia bad narrative. It has to maintain that narrative or advance it somehow. Therefore, in a similar case as the supporter, it may not come with ridiculous explanations, but retreats from engaging in a territory that undermines its preconceived judgement. Therefore, that mind also enters the moments of uselessness. Finally, the hardcore justice seeker who primarily holds the regime responsible but uses his/her mind comes along. This mind also looks for what it expects to find. Any rational critique that outline the weaknesses of the video appears to it as chipping away the core values of the production in maintaining or advancing his/her narrative. Hence, that mind too refuses to analyze critically and instead determines who is big hearted and who is heartless. Sadly, his/her mind also enters the inescapable gates to the moments of uselessness.

    The Fertile Heart

    The heart, one that has its very own ticking clock, has an immensely expansive field vision. It sees in the dark and from behind awkward corners. Its unstoppable power and might is breathtaking. It can create rivers and springs in the middle of desert. Its chief purpose is to maintain and advance life itself. It needs no knowledge for it knows it all instantly, it needs no reasoning for it had already won all arguments by the very fact of its existence. It can never be lost in darkness, as it is light in itself, it can never shiver in blowing cold, as it is the source of heat itself, it can never be lost to moments of uselessness, as it is hope in itself, it can never lose sight, as it is vision itself.

    Looking at the video production through the heart’s eye (yes Gheteb there is such a thing, I will show you later:), it is a good start that the Ethiopian government has given an air time to the plight of our brothers and sisters. It is good thing that we were able to see some of the positive work that goes on there. It was a good news that this shows that there is a way, if there is a will. We thank all those who made it possible and afforded us the opportunity to discuss the issues of our people.

    At a practical level, the documentary has dwelled on the positive aspects of the things that go on in there. What are the challenges, what drives people to leave those camps to do those dangerous journeys, where are the alternative views from the refugees or can it be assumed that all the 140000 hold the same opinion? In terms of its efficacy, does dwelling on comparatively better off situations help to reduce or increase the flow of refugees? How are those who shared their opinion selected?

    The above questions are of course asked to assess the long term implication of the video in mitigating the circumstances of the main subject of the video itself, i.e. the refugees themselves. Has their challenges and problems received enough coverage to enable further action to reduce or resolve those? Powerful documentaries have greater authenticity in a sense that their main focus is to depict reality as closely as possible. Given we know that the reason the reason that the refugees are there is because of the dictatorship in Eritrea, would it add value to designate the context of the narrative to be that dictatorship (like talking about struggle, independence, referendum…) than making the concept of refugee itself (the UNHCR, ERRA, their laws, processes, limiting factors and possible opportunities) as the backdrop context? This would then naturally lead to exploring what those contexts entail in the everyday life of the camp dweller (the positives as covered and the challenges not highlighted).

    The above focus in critiquing the video would allow for constructive engagement that holds out for the best interests of the victims and also appreciates the positive work done regardless of how big or small.

    Conclusion

    As discussed above, it is to be regretted that the mind seems to take charge of the responses and hence locked everything into its moments of uselessness. Let’s look from the heart’s perspective, and we will find that what I have raised are a spoon from the ocean. The heart is fertile, it gives life, protects and nurtures it. Considering its power, thank goodness that there is no evil but silent heart. Because if there was, nothing would stand in its way by way of the calamities it could rain us with. Bless the heart:)

    Regards

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi HTG,

      Till I get more time on my hands, so to speak, allow me to just jot these lines for you to chew on for the time being.

      (1) The video is produced by a certain branch of the Weyane led Ethiopian government. I can’t figure out the acronym as it is in Amharic and some other agencies? I just want to know if you have had any contact with those who produced the documentary video to know why Not only they have produced this video, but have opted to PROPAGATE it. I mean do you really know what their MAIN goal or purpose is? I mean do you really KNOW from credible sources?

      (2) Here you again overburdening the heart again. I have never heard of a fertile heart, but I sure do know about a fertile mind? BTW, what does the heart produce for it to be deemed fertile? Ideas? emotions? intuitions? instincts? neurochemicals? etc. etc.

      (3) You claim that there is no EVIL heart but a silent heart? How about this: is there a devious or a serpentine heart? What is the name of that part of road between Asmara and Keren where one runs through those sinuously winding turns? How do they say it, HTG? It starts with libi…. or Heart Of …..

      I better stop here as I can pound out a deluge of questions.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Gheteb,

        None of your three points above seem to address what Haile TG is referring to as ‘heart,’ which, learning from your other posts, I know for sure you understood exactly what he was referring to.

        Point #1, does it matter who produced it and why for you to feel ‘something’ about your compatriots?

        Point #2, no, he is not overburdening the heart, but providing additional material to show when to use the heart.

        Point #3, you named me X and you are using that as proof of my Xness?

        I didn’t expect this from you.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Fanti Ghana,
          .
          I “know ” this guy from reading his earlier posts with others. There is no point in discussing anything with him, even to acknowledge his existence is a demerit. The best that can be done is to ignore him. “Awquo yetegna sew mekeskes ayichalim”.
          .
          You know what is sad about him is most likely his great grand father is from Tigrai and that is why his hatred is more abundant for that group. There is a psychological term for that, I forgot.
          .
          You probably did not see his snooty remark about Ethiopian tears welling up the Nile river during the precise week of the atrocities by ISIS. He is a pampas…don’t waste your time. “Esu eko kechiraw gar yeTala sew new”.
          .
          K.H
          .
          P.S
          I am making a small rudimentary progress about that song.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH,
            I am glad about the ጭላንጭል progress. I remember the rhythm/melody very well, but being as young as I was I didn’t pay attention to the lyrics beyond the first stanza. Worst comes to worst I will play the kirar part for you some day to help you help those who might remember.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            .
            The melody was what caught my attention as a young boy. I didn’t hear the lyrics at all just the drift of the song…which might have been exaggerated by that active young mind.
            .
            Regarding that new Kirar career of yours, I hope you succeed in your aspiration and share the joy.
            .
            Thanks again,
            .
            K.H

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hailat,

        Gheteb is in his own world. He is not in the Eritrean world. He will try to deflect any tangible argument . I don’t know how long you will try to do it. His is doing purposefully for what ever reason it is. I don’t see any substantive argument except sarcastic pointless argument from all his responses. When Gheteb joined the forum, I was expecting him to bring something to the table, albeit he failed miserably. Deflecting good argument isn’t an act of debating. Bringing an alternative opposing argument is what makes us a debator. He is not in the debate world, nor does he have an interst to do it any way.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • haileTG

        Hi Gheteb,

        1 – SGJ has answered the factual part of your question here. The reason for “opting to PROPAGATE it” is most obvious one. It was not a wedding or other private functions video. It was made to be “opted for PROPAGATING it”. As to their purpose/goal primarily their concern, mine is what my purpose/goal is in deciding how to respond to it. I am not a dictatorial breed:) What is strange is you are not even telling us what their “MAIN” purpose/goal is so that we can tell if it is from a mind in its moment of uselessness or not.

        2 – The are two wings to the Awate University: the research and development center and the adult access program center. What we do in the first wing is provide new ways of looking at things, define new and insightful terminologies and make original contribution to knowledge pertaining our condition. The adult ed wing is catch up classes, and we don’t deviate so much from school level text book definitions so much:) Which wing do you attend Gheteb:)

        3 – I see your inability to identify with what it means to have a heart is taking you too far out of the city limits. May be you never had it and will not be able to find it. Is it worth continuing the search? I can understand the supporters can’t have it because they only have one heart to go between all of them and just like uqub, they need to wait to be passed around to them. What is your reason:)

        Your “PS” remark had me laugh out loud. So, you think “gut wrenching experience is real??” Please don’t let saay hear you say that, he will figuratively pull his hairs out, again!

        Regards

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi HTG,

          (1) Well, I will take it that you DON’T know the purpose/goal why they have opted to propagate the video. Fair enough.

          (2) Many Forumers call this niche a university, a college and what have you. For me, it is only a forum and only a forum. Nothing more or nothing less. You can call it whatever you want to call it. So don’t lose any sleep over which wing of your soi-disant university ‘Gheteb belongs or attends to. You are also using the “WE” pronoun. Is that the royal we or the plural WE, HGT?

          Who knows as the leader of the heart centered political movement, you may have crowned yourself king of the movement a la “Bokassa crowns Bokassa”. Thank goodness, though, that “you are not a dictatorial breed” ! Phew.. I am so, so, so, relieved as I can’t handle another dictator anymore, literally and figuratively.

          (3) You are absolutely right HTG that I can’t identify with what you have putatively professed as ” to have a heart”. How could I when I sense that the person who proposed it abjectly fails to expound unclarified issues and keep piling on the poor pumping machine other responsibilities. I mean what does one do when the exponent of the very proposal gets overly defensive and one can defect the whiffs of snippiness from his rejoinder.

          (3b) Are you wondering if I have a heart or the ‘heart thingy’ or am I searching for it or awaiting to be passed to me a la Uqub?

          I have to ask around and find out first if the PFDJ supporters have hearts. I mean who knows until their turn comes in from the Uqub round, they may continue to live without hearts. For me, I am pretty sure I have a heart. Well, how else do you reckon I am writing this comments? If you are asking the heart thingy that you are talking about, well, I am sorry as I am not into mushy junky thingy!

          Well, don’t worry about Cuz SAAY about the gut wrenching experience being real. I am sure he knows that but if need be, I can walk him through a very condensed crush course of Human Neuroanatomy that consumes a whole semester of a first year medical student studies in Medical School.

          BTW, you have not answered (2) and (3) parts of my previous comment. Any reason, HTG?

          • haileTG

            Hi Gheteb,

            could you give your take, from texts below, the meaning in the usage of “the eye of the heart” and “fertile heart”. Both are taken from the Holy Book of Christianity.

            “I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you…” Ephesians 1:18

            “…And the seed in the good soil— these people are ones who, having heard the word in a good and fertile heart, are holding-on-to it and bearing-fruit with endurance.” Luke 8:15

            Hiji girm 🙂

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi HTG,

            Well, it is awfully difficult for me to render meanings of words from the Biblical verses you have cited. Not for anything else, but for the simple fact that I am not familiar with the background history/culture and the context (immediate and broader) of the text you quoted above. Honestly, I am totally nescient in this regard and I can’t even dare to render my take on the meanings of the terms from the texts you have given.

            Here is an example of what I mean.

            “Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left,” (Matt. 24:40).

            Now, if you ask me what the word “taken” means in the text above, I will tell you that I am utterly clueless and I simply don’t know what it means. Hence the need for someone else to interpret it for me or I have to search and read its interpretation.

            So, no HTG. It is not “Hiji girm”, as this doesn’t clarify the two terms for me.

          • haileTG

            Hi Gheteb,

            I fully understand that certain things may be understood by some and not by others. That is normal. For example, I understand the terms as given in the texts as “the heart’s eye” and “fertile heart” perfectly without needing a single extra back ground info. Not so in your example (although I would know; i.e. being a Christian) but many may find it unclear. That is all normal. Hiji Girim was for the conclusive proof refuting your claim that these words are “putative” “Junk” never understood nor make any sense or meaning in any shape or form… sort of arguments you were making. It turns out that they are well known, well understood, well established terms of reference that go back as far as the biblical times. You don’t get it is very normal and OK. But that just means you.

            The heart marches on:-)

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi HTG,

            Maybe you know what the terms mean, but I don’t. I try to stay clear of concepts and terminologies that are prone to differing and divergent interpretations such as the ones from the Holy Books.

            It would have helped if your sources were of a secular scientific ones as I was under the impression that you were proposing secular politics and not theology here. I mean that way you don’t end up claiming it is in the Bible or the term was used since the antediluvian times. I don’t put much stock on those types of assertions and it ain’t my cup of tea when the issue is not in the realm of religion.

            I haven’t seen anything of all the ‘attributes’ that you have attributed to the poor pumping machine when my lab partners and I dissected the human heart in our Gross Human Anatomy class.

            Anyone can believe to their heart’s content about the heart being fertile and having eye(s), but as I have said, by my lights, those are deemed as mere beliefs utterly unsubstantiated by scientific facts.

            So, HTG, got some scientific facts to buttress your claims about the terms ” fertile heart” and “heart’s eyes”??? Well, I am telling you that I am all ears to hear about them, but what you have so far claimed ,unfortunately, they don’t float my boat.

          • haileTG

            Hi Gheteb,

            The reason I brought the Holy Scriptures of Christianity (I am sure there is similar in Islam and many others too), was to corner you into Hiji Girim position. A “by an Eritrean” invented debating tactic of closing off the route for your debtor to advance fallacy. Forcing a debater into Hiji Girim position requires that they are using Ignoratio elenchi and are arguing from without the set argument.

            Now that it all boils down to you appreciating the “eye of the heart” and “fertile heart” are known concepts, even though you still haven’t got your head around it. Basically, you looked at an open heart, and there appeared to be no such thing as a physical eye, nor the surface can be used for agriculture. Hence, unless facts buttress my use or reference of them, it won’t do it for you.

            That is very fair, actually saay was sharing a song by the legendary Osman Abdelrihim “Lbey Mdrebeda Koynu” Or My hear has become a desert (no more fertail), that could have helped. But again, Music predates religion (by a week or two), so if you don’t get the latter …hmmm may be the second won’t. So, let’s rest it with Plato about singing and the heart:)

            “Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song.” Plato

            Eritrea’s problems are because fear has rendered its people heartless towards each other and with nothing more than a citizenship in name only. Unless, we see through our hearts eye and benefit from the goodness of a fertile heart, the costs will pile up. The sickness at the center of Eritrea is called PFDJ, we will see how much further it can pull the wool from the eyes of our mind.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hailat,

            Whether he concede or not, you won the debate astoundingly. Brother Gheteb, the deflector of a debate wanted you to debate on “words” not on “concepts”. You find an area where he can’t play sarcastic games and yes “Hiji grim.”Debate is not his forte, he is from the science background, and like me he has his limit. But he will not admit that he is not a good debator. Until another heart wispered him close to his ear, he will be always incomoplete. An amazing concluding remark. Stand tall my friend.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,

            As your wont, you are trying to get even here and nothing new as I know very well that is your praxis in what you call a “debate”. As I have proven your utter illogic last night, I will do again here.

            This was from last night, read and re-read please.

            Here is how “your logic” will lead to the following conclusion.

            You are saying: “if it can go through the THICK Eritrean mind”

            Okay, if I take that as the primary premise and if I also assert that

            Amanuel Hidrat is an Eritrean.

            Then, the conclusion is unavoidably that “Amanuel has a THICK Eritrean mind.

            And, now here you are wallowing in the deep seas of utter illogic when you assert that:

            (A) ” Debate is not his forte, he is from the science background like myself, and there are limits for us to push further the debate”

            If you are “from the science background” then per your claim “debate is not your forte”, then the unavoidable conclusion is that you are in NO position to be a judge of a good debater nor would you have the ability to decide who wins or loses a debate. That is the logical conclusion, per logic 101.

            But I will help you out in telling you why you jump up and down like a little kid in times like this when a person you have been nursing a grudge against is in an exchange, then you would waste no time in “declaring” the discussant against whom the one you are trying to settle some score, you will unfailingly declare him or her to be the winner of the debate and, of course, the one that you have been trying to settle scores with, you declare him/her to be the loser of the debate.

            That this getting-even is your praxis is attested by the following documented evidence.

            (1) You have done it with my exchanges with Hayat Adem and you have declared Hayat Adem to be the winner.

            (2) You have declared Hayat Adem to be the winner during the exchanges with SAAY.

            Poor Amanuel, you are the most subjective and utterly vindictive person I know in this forum. What is more, is the fact that your modus operandi of getting-even with those who don’t subscribe to your views is transparently diaphanous.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Brother Gheteb,

            I have given you the reason that your logic doesn’t work here. I gave you the story of my friend “nenatkum Ale-elu.” When I make a general criticism, you peak what it matches to your own fallibility. Go read and re-read my response to your claim. Learn to know your limits as my friend saay says “I know my limits.” Please saay can you post the video. second to know the rules of a bebate and to be a good debator are two different issues haw gheteb. I lost myself many debtaes with saay and Haile-TG and I have no bad feeling. You weren’t debating actually and you know yourself what you were doing. You can’t bring to the table that the forum could learn from. You have still the floor to you if you have something to give. But as I see you I don’t think so. You have a mission to destract the flow of the debate. In fact I had a great expectation from you at the begining. So haw Gheteb losing a debate is nothing. Take it easy.

            regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,
            You are hopelessly hopeless. Please, mind your own business and don’t intrude and interfere to render your uninvited advice and judgment. If you do that, I will be happy as nothing makes more happy than to IGNORE you.
            Good luck poor Keshi Amanuel

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            Oh brother now you are transformed from little bull to little crying baby.
            We tested you on the ground. You failed and lost the debate. You can’t make it by shouting and crying. This is political debate it is not about life science or latin language class. You showed us what you have and that is not enough to be ln the class supposedly assigned. You are demoted to a lower class to take 101 basic politics and 101 basic class of communication. Without that we will not let you to attend the debate session. Did you get it haw gheteb?

            Good luck zaqnay gheteb. Don’t forget the verses taught by Haile-tg from the bible.

            Amanuel

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,

            You said;

            ” WE tested you on the ground”.

            I thought you are one person. Could it be that your Keshinet could have possibly induced an illusion to make you think that you are more than one person as when you claimed by using the plural WE.

            Man, I thought you wallowing in the seep seas of utter illogic was bad enough that I recommended that you take Logic 101, now I have to worry also that you are evincing signs of delusion. My, oh my!

            Poor Keshi Amanuel!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Gheteb,

            Oh man, we set two debate session for you with Hayat and Haile-tg . You lost both of them. Two strikes you are out, unless you are envicing a symptom of obssesive complssive disorder. For a person with that diagnosis everything he thinks is the opposite of the normal. Logics are illogic, truth are lies, dictator is democratic, incarceration is human right, and slavery is freedom. Hence he tend to defend tyrants than to the oppressed people. He becomes the face of the tyrant.

            Poor zaqunay gheteb.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amnuel,

            You said ” WE set two debates……”.

            WE? again, Keshi Amanuel?

            Well, I rest my case as I have demonstrated what I have diagnosed you with to be the FACT and nothing but the FACT.

            Poor, Meskinay, Keshi Amanuel !

          • Peace!

            Merhaba Gedim Tegadalay Emma,

            It looks like you have enough time to even officiate debates at this forum. But I have a good idea for you: how about you invite your fellow opposition friends and watch these two documentary videos over a lunch or dinner and see if you guys can agree on something for the sake of helpless people? Otherwise, your non stop writing is nothing but “N’su Mesay Libu Mes Debesay-;)

          • Habtom

            Amanuel,
            You may know the rules of the debate. But you are not neutral to be a judge.
            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Habtom,

            Remember I am playig his game, the game he is only familiar with. He is not here for a debate. He is here to dimean people to divert issues, to cover up the reality of our people. Second we are not in formal set of live debate.

            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Habtom,

            Thank you for telling the truth. I have ignored this person for a long time and he seems never to get over that hurt feeling. So far he has left no stone unturned to get even by acting as if he was an honest and unbiased judge. But he is NOT for I know him too well as a person who is still nursing his old grudges from the 80s and I guess he thinks that I am not familiar with his old ‘Falulite tactics’.

            Well, Amnuel is a hopelessly hopeless person. As they say old habits die hard or “Amel Mis Megnez” and he is doomed to be mumbling the same old nonsense till kicks the bucket. Poor Keshi Amanuel!

          • ‘Gheteb

            HI HTG,

            You are still doing the same thing, HTG. Now you have ended up using songs. First, you tried the Bible verses. That won’t cut it at all. What I have asked for is explicitly stated in the last paragraph of my last comment. I am not looking for metaphors or poetic references to the heart. Here is what I was looking for:

            ” So, HTG, got some scientific facts to buttress your claims about the terms ” fertile heart” and “heart’s eyes”??? Well, I am telling you that I am all ears to hear about them, but what you have so far claimed ,unfortunately, they don’t float my boat.”

  • Peace!

    Dear all,

    What has changed now? Not too long ago the very same country deported 80,000 innocent Eritreans including women and children for absolutely no valid reason other than the country didn’t like the color of their eyes, according to late prime minister Meles Zenawi. I am sure those Eritreans will never forgive Ethiopia, the country that forced them to abandon their hard earned assets and more importantly their life. The brutal deportation journey is something we will never forget for ever.

    It is a shame for a country to politicize humanitarianism when tens of thousands of its citizens are refugees themselves in almost every corner of the planet.

    Regards

    • Abel

      Dear peace,

      One sided, biased approach is not going to bring peace and reconciliation,just call a spade a spade;
      Facts,
      *71,449 innocent Eritreans and some hard core members of higdef were deported from Ethiopia (I am sure most of the civilians are already back to Ethiopia).

      *144,000 innocent Ethiopians were deported from Eritrea . Most Eritreans failed to admit and take responsibility.

      *This video is neither a politicized humanitarianism propaganda nor denial of the existence of tens of thousands of Ethiopian refugees in the diaspora. It is a simple fact on the ground.

      • Peace!

        Dear Abi,

        Agreed. But the point is Ethiopia is the only country bragging about it.

        “Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired, because then you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven.” Bible

        Regards

        • Semere Andom

          Dear Peace
          I like this more: “If you have really done it, it is not bragging” 😉

          • Peace!

            Dear ISem,

            Ha ha ha ..Nice one! Are you trying to rewrite common sense and ethics codes?

            Regards

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Peace:
            No I like your quote, but it is not for this kingdom, mine who was uttered by Whitman, is of this planet 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            As far as it is not a lie, but a factual story telling from the ground is always ethical. Your role is to disprove it if there is lies in it. Okay peace.

            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Abel

          Dear peace!
          Giving credit were it belongs is hardly expected from…but why are you trying to deviate the discussion?shouldn’t you be talking about the problem at hand instead?

          • Peace!

            Dear Abi,

            I don’t blame you, but the problem is I haven’t figured out yet why aware.com has fallen onto Aboy Sebhat’s propaganda? Sorry baddy!

            Regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Peace,

      I thought you are from us the justice seekers. Remeber the 80,000 Eritreans who were deported are a fraction form those Eritreans who were residing in Ethiopia (over 350,000 as per Issayas Afeworki’s account during early days of the conflict). They Ethiopian government have apologized for that, and they had security issues at the hight of the conflict. Because the Eritrean government have exposed our people to face that hardiship. Issayas was publicly telling the Eritrean people that they are inside Ethiopia, to dismantle TPLF. His exact words “we can not fail to dismantle the house we builted.”

      Now why do you bring the issue of 1998 at this time, when the Ethiopian people are extending help to our refugees particularly to our young generation. Whether there are Ethiopian refugee every where or not, the issue is the Eritrean people are in refugee camps inside Ethiopia and they are bringing to the attention of international communities in order to bring help to them. That humanitarian help is a plus to the needy Eritrean people. You people don’t want to see about the cry of our people, you don’t want to hear the calamites that are be fallen to our fellow Eritreans. You see Peace by talking such trash argument you can’t address the problem of our refugees you are only working to worsen their situation. I think you told us if I am not wrong that you are from the Eritreans who go back and forth to Ethiopia and you didn’t go to know first hand their situation. It was your duty and the rest of us to make study the situation to bring into the international community. We failed, and now you are complaining for those who did on behalf of us. Really shame on us. If we can’t be for their help, then please, let us not undermine for those who attempt to help them. You see Peace we lost our heart to show sympathy, and we lost our mind to rationalize the issue of our people are going through. We become a laughing stock in front the international community. What a sad reality we are in.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Peace!

        Selamat Haw Emma,

        The point I am trying to make is very simple that helping refugees is a moral value, not politics as this documentary seems to imply. Now, please tell me what this has to do with you being said “I thought you are from us the justice seekers?” with much respect!

        Regards

        • Saleh Johar

          Peace,

          1. Did you notice that at every camp the director of the documentary showed us a billboard with clear sign of UNHCR. The refugees are taken care of by the UN. Ethiopia is providing a haven and allowing the UN to operate in its territories and providing other support.

          2. Someone was not sure who produced the documentary. It is EBC (Ethiopian Broadcasting Corporation) in collaboration with the ministry of defense- I guess for security and access.

          3. Any news media covers events. Some able corporations like BBC and others send their reporters and spend money to tell stories in far places. Don’t you think EBC has to produce the documentary as part of its activities?

          4. Several documentaries were produced about the refugees though none was as extensive. EBC has a professional obligation to cover stories in its country.

          5. If I had the means, I would have produced similar documentary and hopefully I will do that. I do t see any difference between all the documentaries thus far produced in its content. BBC CNN and there was an American who had shot similar documentary a few months ago. Meroe did a similar documentary on refugees in Israel. Everyone covered their story except the Valineki Clique. That is the issue that should occupy our minds.

          6. How do the “silent majority” react to this? I think I explained that so many times 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saleh,

            Your response is right on the mark, if it can go through the thick Eritrean mind. No matter how clear you put it, Nitric can’t decipher it.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Amanuel,

            Here is how “your logic” will lead to the following conclusion.

            You are saying: “if it can go through the THICK Eritrean mind”
            Okay, if I take that as the primary premise and if I also assert that

            Amanuel Hidrat is an Eritrean.

            Then, the conclusion is unavoidably that “Amanuel has a THICK Eritrean mind.

            Now don’t blame that on “‘Gheteb is in his world or he is not in the Eritrean world” or don’t put your hat and start dispensing superfluous advice and mumbling some Kelam Fareq.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            I don’t want to go to specifics to debate on personalities. If you don’t understand where the message was intend to, it is your problem and will remain as your problem. Your logic is not applicable when you debate on undisclosed personalities. A friend of mind loves to make his message general accusation. If you ask him why he does that, he tells you “ne-natkum wisedu.” I hope you will get my message haw Gheteb.

          • Peace!

            Dear ‘Gheteb,

            Emma is an Eritrawi Tekawamai who often falls on EPRDF trap.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Dear SJ,

            I think the point is not whether the refugee camps in Ethiopia are being financed by NGOs or the government Ethiopia itself, but rather it is about the role of EBC and its futile attempt to deceive silent majority by exploiting humanitarianism for political purpose. And although majority of the refugees are Eritreans, the camps are also open for Ethiopians and Somalis who are in search of ways to cross into US and Europe, and as long as that opportunity is open people will continue to flee into those camps regardless political situations. The Sudanese have done it since1950s, but they never brag even for one second. I hope the opposition groups don’t fall on this trap.

            regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace,
            You need to check the purpose of media outlets and why they do documentaries. You can’t deny them that right simply because you do not like a production which you claim i politicized yet you have been politicizing it a lot. Also, I think you should be thrifty with your accusations as if you are too smart to fall for tricks, “aboy Sebhat” or others, and the rest are dumb and cannot discern. Please stop that, don’t insult us.

            As for the the “silent majority” being deceived, they are so smart as is evident from our surroundings they will never be deceived. Besides, you are there to protect them from being deceived 🙂

          • Peace!

            Dear Saleh,

            I have never insult anyone, and I am entitle to express my opinion as long as I respect the rules of the forum. Other than that I firmly stand by my comments as I refuse to get emotional and compromise my principles.

            As for the silent majority, yes they are not only smart, but also resilient, and don’t need my protection unlike the useless opposition groups.

            Regards

      • Gonbel

        Hi Amanuel,

        Close to 58,000 voted in the referendum. 80,000, we are told were deported. Does it sound like a fraction (small) to you? I doubt the number of Eritreans grew over three times in under five years (93 -98).

        • Peace!

          Hi Gonbel,

          No wonder EPRDF is wining election every five years. My friend, there is an age requirement for voting. The 80,000 deportees are not necessarily18 and obove. goodness!!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Gonbel,

          Don’t fall in to a wrong assumption that the number of Eritrean who resided in Ethiopia at that time was either 58,000 or 80,000. The despot was correct as to the the estimate number of Eritreans who were living in Ethiopia at that time. The time I left Addis in early 70s, there were the same rough number of Eritreans living in Addis. The number of Eritreans didn’t grow three fold in the years you have noted. The number I am talking was true all the way back to the 70s even. The actual number flactuate between 350,000 to 500,000. Therefore the actual who casted the refrendom is a fraction of the total Eritrean living at that time.

          Regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

  • Semere Andom

    The Enemy of Eritrea Lurk Among us, But the Enemy is Singular, There Are No Enemies: There is Only An Enemy
    The concept of “tselaetna”, our enemies is the most over used word in the Tigriyanya word nowadays. In PFDJ nation there is only cracking down, no plugging things. They crackdown on journalists, on G-15, on Amiches, also PFDJ cracks down the churches and even the house hold. PFDJ has almost made the word enemies almost bed time stories. “fetwetina” has long been vanished.
    Notwithstanding the fear mongering gospel of PFDJ, we do not have enemies, we have an enemy, our enemy is one, but it can be appear to be more than one, “tselaena hade ykwun bzuhat dima ykonu”.
    But when one day “baba” Isaiais cuts the umbilical cord from them when, he runs with his millions, the parasites who cannot support themselves will murmur “baba, baba nimintay hadikani”, father why have you forsaken me, and the hard way they shall learn that the God of PFDJ is not a living one and he a dirt and he shall return to the fox hole from where he hails.
    With this gut wrenching, heart breaking documentary, the PFDJista who are lurking here, could not find it in their synthetic heart to sympathize with the victims, just for once, in solidarity with their brethren, instead they are crying from the top hills our enemies, in effect referring to themselves in the third person, the royal “THEY”
    There is only one enemy of Eritrea and its people and it is the PFDJ, otherwise known as Isaiaistis, it is one, but like the gecko it has evolved to instinctively flop its tail when its enemies, the Eritrea people chase and threaten it, and the that discarded tail cannot survive for long and it cannot mislead the chasers any more. Do not be fooled by the flopped tails of PFDJista who are playing the “enemies” card even in the most “binding” phenomena of humanity, the suffering of a fellow human. To the discarded PFDJite tail, binding is only applied to land demarcation and not to hearts, as their hearts cannot bind, they are synthetically made.

  • Mizaan1

    ሎሚ እኮ ሓንቲ ምልእቲ ፋሚሊ ኣብ ሃገርና ኤርትራ ኣላ ኢልካ ክትዛረብ ኣይትኽእልን ኢኻ።

    But the Pharaoh says ሓደ ሓደ ኣልመጽቲ ሻሓኒ። ናይ ኣሜሪካ ስለላ እዩ ዝገብር ዘሎ።

    ክንድዚ ንዕቀት ኣሎ፧

    • haileTG

      Hi again Mizaan,

      One erroneous usage of adage that was said repeatedly was ወይ ዝበሉኻ ግበረሎም፡ ወይ ዓዶም ግደፈሎም That is of course meant when one is in exile to begin with. In this case, it should be ወይ ዝበሉኒ እገብረሎም፡ ወይ ዓደይ እገድፈሎም። Do you see how that misuse justify a wrong conclusion?

      • Mizaan1

        Selamat Hailat. I heard a minor variant of this just about this time last year from my cousin and my best childhood friend who is now in Sudan after years of servitude in PFDJ land. He said he was blinded to not have left earlier and concluded (after a very long conversation with ክላእ ነዚኦም ዓዶም ኢኻ ትገድፈሎም፤ በቃ ኣብ መወዳእት ኡ ዓዶም ገዲፍናሎም። Of all the things he narrated for me, I never forgot this statement. I should have it on my messages and I will try to put it here verbatim if I find it. But that is really striking. When I also heard this on the video several times actually, it reminded me of something I repeatedly say here and elsewhere. The worst result of PFDJ brutal policies is probably not even the mass exodus but the destruction of Eritreanism and the loss of sense of ownership of the nation and its people. We now have a large population who basically want to secure a future, a future that doesn’t have much to do with Eritrea. It is really scary.

        • haileTG

          Hi Mizaan. I think the next layer down reason for that misconception is the notion of most supporters who say “ነታ ዓዲ ኣምጺኦማ እንድዮም” and not “ኣምጺእናያ እንዲና”. This leads to the conclusion that the country belongs to them and if one doesn’t feel happy with its affairs, they are supposed to leave it. Because, the latter had no ownership to begin with! This is also why the only stagnated politics PFDJ has to sell is that of 1970s songs. To keep that wrongheaded sentiment stretched as far as it can go.

  • LittleVoice

    So you are one of the junkies who live inEurope, pay2% (of the peanut money they give you) who visit Eritrea every winter (to escape the cold) or every summer (girl hunting) and frequent end aiba. Well guess what the Cubans here in US are the ones who sending billions to Havana while Raul is trying to correct his lunatic brother’s policy. Oh by the way they are getting along fine with the US too!

  • Kiki Meda

    This is just a fraction of the truth of what happens in Eritrea every passing day. Those that say this is a propaganda of Ethiopian govt., staged, or just exaggerated…etc. are very welcome to enlighten us with the real truth of what is going on there. We are way over the confusion stage.. Isayas regime has confused the people for a lot of years but now it doesnt take a genius to figure out the truth. The truth is the reality of where we all are today. Those who say the people who crossed to Ethiopia are traitors…well Eritrea have just only one traitor, Isayas and his weak followers. They betrayed the country, they betrayed the people, they betrayed the martyrs who shed their precious blood. They stole the dream of our fathers and the future of our youth. They are thief’s of time. Isayas and his heartless followers are the biggest traitors of Eritrea. The rest are victims.

  • scorp100n

    Is there a Tigringa-only version of these documentaries ?

  • Dear Semere Andom,
    Eritrean justice seekers and those who stand for the emancipation of their people should never despair, and this eternal truth should be their guiding slogan.
    “There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it always.” (Mahatma Gandhi).

    • dawit

      Dear Horizon,
      That may be true only when confronted by people who truly stand for justice standing shoulder to shoulder leading the masses, like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther king and Isaias Afwerki. Not by people who give lip service for ‘Justices’ thousands miles away from their people.

      • Dear dawit,
        Your comment would have been great had you not put IA with Gandhi and Martin Luther King. You put him in the wrong group of people, because unlike the two, he
        leads the masses in the wrong direction, especially since 1991. He is completely the opposite, and I am sure you know that perfectly well.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear All awatistas,

    First thank you awate staff for bringing this heart wrenching story of our people to make us aware. Second I can’t believe the heartless and mindless PFDJites to tell us the documentation is ” for political manipulation”(refer to Naod’s meheim comment). How else we should show the reality of our people then? Why did they created it, if they think it will be manipulated? Who will tell the predicament of our people if we are failed to do that? damn, damn.

    SGJ, Issayas and his party are weeding our people, killing who ever caught in their hand, pushing and driving the whole Eritrean generation to scatter all over the world. The word “weed” snugly fits for this epic dehumanization of Eritrea people. You can write a piece on it using that word.

    Where are Ghezae, Semere, Haile-TG etal, this is where the subject about “heart and mind” could be written in voluminous document for posterity. Please do so.

    Where is Saay, you need to analyze the psychological mind of PFDJites. We have seen you doing for the despot. We are losing the young generation and Eritrea without the young generation isn’t Eritrea.

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Amanuel,

      That would be wonderful job if everybody will put part of his knowledge. we have also written documents (old articles that can help like the one Saay7 wrote -exposing the nature of DIA.). I think there are psychologists and people with social science etc, who can support us in completing the project. that is great idea.

      Dear Hailat,

      ሃይላት ኢድካ ኣይትስኣን ንኹላ ኣብ ዓቢ ስራሕ ኣእቲኻያ ::

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    ምሕሳብ ንሓንጎል ትዕዝብቲ ንልቢ :

    I don’t expect any positive from supporters of the regime. But what in mind is, what one among PFDJ leaders feels when he see this documentary. we were disusing about how the opposition should use the mind and heart strategy. I am asking if that PFDJ leadership have those two organs. He may have those organs biologically speaking. but what kind of heart and mind those guys over there own. if heart mostly is about feeling, why they don’t feel sorry? why the don’t feel the pain? why why? if the mind is to work by logic, calculating depending on formulas, why they are not watching their system one day will burn them?

    Hailat, are you there? the worst question is how do we allow them to lead? where were your and mine hearts and minds? Lol, weren’t the same heart and mind that we have today, functioning then? here is the answer, we were bad people as PFDJ was and still is … ignoring when our own brothers and sisters were complaining. it is only because PFDJ is worst than us that we are affected. So, if problems are not solved in due time the price will be higher. it takes great courage to say the truth — that dismissing PFDJ leadership is not enough, but the most important thing is balancing the heart and mind

    that is to say, the cause is not PFDJ but the way we think- I mean the thinker should start to be observer.

    ምሕሳብ ንሓንጎል ትዕዝብቲ ንልቢ

  • Naod Samiel

    This is sad. I hope they renounced their nationality before they crossed over to the enemy. Leaving your country is one thing. Since we share our longest border with Ethiopia, it’s understandable that people would go there first. But participating in their propaganda efforts is unforgivable and treasonous.

  • Dear all,
    A wasted life is the life a person who turns him/herself into an enslaved/brainless/programmed robot, who chooses to deny the undeniable, for the sake of a person and his regime. These people have lost their sense of right and wrong, and the callousness of their heart has no comparison. When they should have zipped and said nothing in such situations, they have the audacity to rush into denying the painful reality of their people. They feel that it is their sacred duty to protect the dictator and his regime from criticism of any sort, even though, Eritreans at different refugee camps are shouting at the top of their voices that the emperor is naked. They can heap all the blame on Ethiopia and the west, nevertheless, nowadays only few Eritreans believe them. Their second step is to doubt that the people interviewed are really Eritreans.

    There should be some level of decency. Such degree of enslavement to one man and his system is pathological, to say the least. Such degree of callousness to human pain and suffering is simply pathetic.

    In his last days, Hitler had said that the German people were not worthy of being called the “chosen people”, because they had started to refuse dying for his crazy cause. It was echoed by his apologists. The same thing is happening with DIA and his supporters. Those who are not
    ready to die for the dictator’s crazy cause are characterized as traitors and as people who have sold their dignity for the sake of leftovers from enemy tables. God save Eritrea and Eritreans from such people, for they are messengers of disaster.

    • Girum

      It is true that wayane sends this documentaries for propaganda purpose. The messege of the propaganda is ” we are better by comparison.” We get that i think. Atleast i get that. But adressing issues that concerns Eritrean problem by atleast admiting that there is a problem is a first step to solving it. There is no democratic country in the eastern Africa at all even in Kenya, though conditions are much better compared to the rest of Eastern African countries. But something must explain the exodus like migration of Erotreans out of their country. Don`t tell me. other Africans migrate too. That is a person who fail at shcool exams saying ” others fail too,” Unchecked population Growth and inflation can explain Ethiopian migration to other countries. What does explain Eritrean one?

      • dawit

        Hi Girum
        Explained by the illegal occupation of Eritrean land by Ethiopia and the Unjust UN economic and military sanctions supported by US and Ethiopia. Everything else is cheap propaganda by those who betrayed thier families and country who like to leak plates.

        • Girum

          Welt, i sometimes Wonder about how the Egyptian pyramids were made, and Google to find answers. Most of the answers i get say ” the slaves did it”. And then i ask who the slaves were the answer says ” the slaves were the Hibrews”. Again i ask why the Hibrews were slaves …you can Guess where i am going With this. My original question was about the construction Methods of the pyramids. But now a days it is easier and safer to answer than question. So i stop here.

          • Saleh Johar

            Girum, that is insightful but I can tell you who built the pyramids. It is the pharaonic conscripts of shaamnay to selaasa zur who were serving their country in Giza.

          • Girum

            Anyway, i remember a book called ” the revolution betrayed” by Leon Trotsky.As far as i understood the book, Trotsky mant to say that Stalin`s camp batrayed the revolution. Stalin on the other hand found Trotsky of betrayal of the mother land and got the then diaspora Trotsky killed. Who betrayed whot, when and how are questions History will answer later on, so i refrain from finger pointing at anyone right now.

  • sara

    Dears all
    yes..yes,.. it is true. all this people have moved to ethiobia, there are of course more in sudan… sudan..
    but where are they destined? to settle in ethiobia? or somewhere else?, this is must have been answered by the “documentary”but it was all showing that ethiobia is a land of honey and milk, and a garden of eden…com on!
    long time ago we used to hear that ethiobian emperor used to say WE NEED ERITREAN LAND NOT ITS PEOPLE
    the weyane and their prime sponsors are dead bent to try the same, drain the county of its human resource and
    turn the clock back to 1991.

    • Semere Andom

      wow wow Sara:
      even a gut wrenching, heart breaking documentary cannot mellow you guys. Your soul mate dawit just told me that all the ills on Eritreans are caused by Ethioipia and now you are saying the same country is draining Eritreans and while you are tight lipped about what is pushing Eritreans out of their country. Eritreansfrom all walk of life, from all the religions and both genders told you their story and you are not believing it. Wait, one day ERiTv will air the same documentary, what will you say then?
      I shudder to return to Eritrea with you guys, for once say something about the tormentors of our people

      • haileTG

        Hi Sem,

        According to Sara, these are “the country’s human resource”. The problem is also identified as “draining” of the “human resource”. Now, when was the the last time you went through “gut wrenching, heart breaking” moment when you encountered a “drainage” problems? You see, the mind has a funny way of looking at things. That video is the heart’s department, the mind only looks for what it expects to find.

      • Naod Samiel

        @semereandom:disqus
        Why would we allow ourselves to be manipulated by Ethiopian propaganda? You do understand that’s what this video is, right?

      • sara

        Dear ato Andom
        don’t make it sound like i said, a man has bitten a dog thing, i stated the obvious, please read my comments.again, to make sure that you don’t miss what i said, i said no sane eritrean would like to see this and other gut wrenching heart breaking situations of eritreans except the enemies of eritrea.
        now going back to the push… factors, for the sake of your argument let us say the weyane and their patrons do not have a role etc. how about us those who live in diaspora,aren’t we also a party to what is happening to those fleeing the country. i wish you us an elder at least lead those of us younger to tell and live with by truth. let us own our failures or responsibilities towards those being turned in pawns of our enemies.
        with respect!

    • Brhan

      Sara,
      If you pay attention to the first part, an authorized person explained where this people will go to.
      Of course ultimately to their home land. As far as I am concerned Ethiopia is also their country.
      Ethiopian people they don’t look at Eritrean as foreigners. After all we have the same blood.
      Cheers,

      • sara

        Dear Brhan
        what blood are you talking about? the blood eritreans shaded for the past over 100 years because of ethiobian continues atrocities against eritreans or some thing else, didnt hear what your x-dictator MZ
        said towards eritreans, if we don’t like the color of your eyes …… that is if we don’t like your blood … thing

    • LittleVoice

      Sara Fara
      there are 110, 000 refugees in sudan, 140,000 in Ethiopia , 70, 000 in South sudan, about 150,000 in Uganda . Etc…… out of a population of 5 million when 2 million live in diaspora well what you do is you pause and you listen. If they tell you they are not happy then you pause and you act.

      • sara

        Dear little voice,
        oh, you are lucky the bouncer is napping.
        look, i can give you the exact figure of eritreans abroad, nonetheless that want add value to the discussion, the simple truth is eritreans love their country called eritrea, whether at home or abroad. just wait few months those who are now being taken as pawns by weyane once they land in their final destination. ask them then
        80% will tell you the truth, you know it… 10% will somehow wait until they get their papers, the rest are for sure .. well you know it. now what difference would it make if you live in eritrea and in atlanta. same same you are always eritrean, the one in atlanta eats bunch of hamburgers and in eritrea a gaat b”l zabaadee..
        dont worry they will not stay in ethiobia! ethiobia is only good to ethiobians!

  • LittleVoice

    Shaebia will be fuming over this documentary.

    • sara

      Dear Little voice
      indeed shaebia is fuming with vigor and tenacity celebrating its 24th year since it kicked the evil occupying force
      who has bled its people for centuries. what have you?
      no sane eritrean by extension any shaebian or anyone who honestly opposes the government will be happy to see eritrean destitutes except those know enemies of eritrea.

      • asmerom

        Dear Sara
        What a heartless slave of a dictator you are , please show a little concern about our slaved people in their own land by the dictator. Trying to defend the evil regime is meaning less now the voice of our people is loud and clear and the time to dispose the satanic regime is closer than ever before

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi asmerom,

          You are saying that Sara is “a heartless slave of a dictator”. I didn’t see anything from Sara’s response that would warrant for such uncalled insults as Sara being “heartless” or “slave of a dictator”.

          I bet you that you are simply unleashing your insults without any basis and that says more about what kind of a person you are than what you are baselessly claiming and accusing Sara to be.

          Or is it that Sara didn’t repeat the same hackneyed and trite lines, “oh these poor Eritrean refugees in Weyane-led Ethiopia look at them and look how the Weyane angles are helping them”. “It is all the fault of Isaias and the PFDJ” as they have turned Eritrea into such a hellish place.

          Well, sorry pal, Eritreans like Sara have refused to be taken for a ride by whatever the Weyane-led Ethiopia’s propaganda machine propagates as part and parcel of its undeclared war on Eritrea.

          There were the first, second and third offensives ( Qedamay. kaliAy and Salsay Werars) and now this is part of what is dubbed as the silent offensive or Weyanes SelaHta Werar.

          • asmerom

            Hi Gheteb
            I think Sara is more than capable of defending herself I don’t know why you are “Yergo zenb”
            Talking about selhata Werar well the real selahata werar is you roaming here in awate .com with your blind support of PFDJ and I thank Awate.com for accommodating everybody even the selahtas like you the reset what you said is garbage and needs no response

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi asmerom,
            I was right that you have nothing else to say except unleashing insults. Now you are doing it in Amharic. Hmmmm…mm.
            And you think Awate dot com is for people like you who have nothing else to add except repeat what the Weyanes want them to say here and hurl insults. I guess your Weyane masters have taught you something here. Claiming and taking something that does not belong to you. Does Bademe ring a bell?
            You are right Sara is more than capable of exposing your trashy and your false allegations that your Weyane masters have assigned you to spread around.
            Nothing in Awate’s posting rules says that I can’t respond to your comments. You better get used to it because when you insult Eritrean patriots like Sara you are going to hear from me. Got it?

          • dawit

            Hi asmerom
            And what are you “Yerbo zinb”, at least the correct Amharic term’
            cheers

          • Wedi Chided

            ዝከበርካ ገተብ ጥዕና ይሃበለይ፡
            ካልእይን ሳልሳይን ወራራት ኢትዮጵያ ከምዝጀመርቶ ኩሉ ዝፈልጦ እዩ፡ እንተ ቀዳማይ ግን ኣያና ኢሱ ኢዩ ጀሚርዎ፡ ካብ ሓቂ ርሒቕካ ትገብሮ ዝርርብ ኣብ ውጽኢት ኣይበጽሕን ኢዩ።

      • Abi

        Hi sara
        The evils you kicked out from your land are proving you wrong time and again by opening their homes and hearts to the same people who inhumanly kicked them out. You don’t find Evilness in ethiopian blood. The most humble and hospitable people on the face of the earth. You don’t have to believe me . Stay for two weeks in ethiopia and if you don’t have a change of heart, I will stop visiting this website. I promise.( one less annoying person )

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Abi,

          You are saying that your Ethiopian people are opening their homes and their hearts for the poor Eritreans.

          Do Ethiopians live in refugee camps, Abi, to open their homes for these poor Eritreans? I didn’t know that!

          And how about a documentary video of 1998-99 when the most humble and hospitable people evicted and kicked out after unspeakable brutality not Eritreans, but Ethiopians of Eritrean origin?

          There is more to this propaganda video than meets the eyes and I don’t think any Eritrean without any axe to grind would fail to admit that.

          • Abi

            Hi Gheteb
            It is an honor of the highest level to get a response as an ethiopian from you . Thanks.
            Gheteb, you find eritreans not only in refugee camps but also in every corner of ethiopia. You find them working in government, in private business, you find them in universities and colleges, everywhere. If you don’t call this opening their hearts and homes, I like to hear your take.
            The 98-99 craziness was copied from the 91 inhumanity demonstrated by your government. However, according to the former ELF leader only 20% of eritreans were deported for ” security ” reasons. Can you say the same regarding the situation in 1991 where our leaders were sleeping together?
            Gheteb, you are a very wise person. Call it propaganda or anything you like . I really care less.
            Where is your heart? What did you feel when you see the young and innocent roaming in refugee camps with their future uncertain?
            Show me your heart not your brain for a change.
            Tell me if you have children? Tell me you don’t mind to see them in refugee camps?
            It is ok to love and defend your country. It is something else to deny these children.
            minew libih endih denedene?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            Let me ask you a question. If “you” and “the rest of us” can not do it or bring for to the international awareness, who will do it? Answer it please sincerly. You can’t have two face one “sympathizing to the poor Eritreans as you put it” and “defending the regime” at the same time. You can’t have the truth from having a contradictory positions. What a waste a highly educated Eritrean to defend the regime that brought the current Eritrean delipidating circumstances. Come on Gheteb show your heart we will debate on what the mind can offer to solve the Eritrean problem.

            Regards,
            AmanueL Hidrat

          • Semere Andom

            Cuz Gheteb:
            Following your logic, I am also cognizant of the 1998-99 cruel eviction. but “tim al-aya,ya habibna” and ask why are Eritreans returning to Ethiopia despite what happened to them before The refuges you see in the video are not stupid and they did the odds and found out that Ethiopia is safer than Eritrea for them and their families.
            your lack of recognizing the truth even if it hits you in the wrist is a cloud of your utter lack of compassion and you are emerging as unbecoming of the excessively independent thinker that you threatened to be during the heated debates with HA. Where is that cuz?

        • dawit

          Hi Abi
          ‘most humble and hospitable people on the face of the earth” who are you trying to fool? Only yourself. The people who destroyed burned every inch of Eritrea for 30 years, who are occupying Eritrean territory illegally by force, who conspire to put international sanctions on their neighbor, who deported hundred thousands illegally after confiscated their lifelong savings. Abi please read and learn your history before opening your mouth. The Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia are hostages, that used as a begging instrument from the international communities? What do say if all Ethiopian soldiers leave Eritrea and all Eritrean refugees leave Ethiopia tomorrow. May be that time your statement will be true. Until then everything that come out of Ethiopians is a propaganda for the dream of Red Sea outlet.

      • Nitricc

        HI Sara: When everything fails face first; to bring Eritrea down, now, the enemies of Eritrea are resorted to the lowest of low. They tried war; the people of Eritrea thought them a lesson never to try that again. They tried sanction; turns out to be a toothless one and in fact it was a blessing in disguise; they tried to drain the youth; but Eritrea able to do more with less and didn’t work. Now they turn to this cheap game. Is not very logical to take their own children first before they can care the children of the enemy?
        Stop the cheep game and take care yours..

        http://mereja.com/forum/download/file.php?id=27133

      • LittleVoice

        Most eritrean agree that the lesser evils have been defeated by a bigger demon known us Isayasism. At least the previous evils were not Eritreans but showed more mercy and compassion than the current ones who are Eritreans. Ask your grandpa and he will tell you how life was good during the Janhoy period, they call it the good old times. And the italians, well even Isayas (aka Tesfom) admits they were better than him. So that leaves the Dergue and even Ethiopians agree they were bad and hence they fought against them and defeated them. But Isayasawian, phew, they are the worst.

        • sara

          dear little voice—– where is the salutation?
          now you have clearly identified yourself and sated your message. thank you!
          you said janhoy, i assume it means haileselassie, well i read about it but it was all about blood and sweat, the same with dergi which i am saw a bit of it — same same..
          one thing i want to assure you, the clock will not turn back, it is only going forward and so far has counted 24 years and it goes on.

          • Wedi Chided

            ሰላም ሳራ፡
            24 ዓመት ጸልማት። ኣቱም እምበርዶ ናብቲ ኤርትራ ዝበሃል ዓዲ ከድኩም ትፈልጡ ኢኹም፡ ሓቅኹም ኢኹ ከምቲ ኣያኹም ዝበሎ ተረፍ ቢያቲ ጽዓዱ እንዳልመጽኩም ኣበይ ክስቆረኩም፡ እቲ ዓደይ ይፈቱ ኢየ ዝብል ኣብ ኤርታ ኮይኑ ይዛረብ።