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Ethiopian PM Abiy Unscrambles The Algiers Agreement

The Algiers Agreement is a peace treaty, which came about after 29 months of bloodshed, displacement and negotiations between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Named after the city where it was signed, the Agreement was a culmination of several agreements—OAU’s Framework Agreement, Modalities for its Implementation–that the two parties inked while they were fighting. And part of the reason it took as long as it did (I would say the main reason) is because the Government of Ethiopia refused to have direct, face-to-face negotiations unless its preconditions were met. The first precondition was for Eritrea to withdraw from territories that Ethiopia would not name: its absurd position was “you know what they are, now pack and leave: then we will talk.” Since Ethiopia’s new Premiere has, in my view, completely unscrambled Ethiopia’s attitude to the Agreement, and since it has been so long (December 2000) that some may not have the proper context, it is useful to summarize what it says and try to explain what just happened and the scenarios going forward.

The Algiers Agreement Short

The Agreement is relatively short (only six pages) and it has five articles.

Article 1 says since you two have already signed a cessation of hostilities agreement six months ago, do not do anything to change that: don’t use force or the threat of force against each other. (Status: ignored by Eritrea and Ethiopia.)

Article 2 says comply with the Geneva Convention and, using the offices of ICRC, exchange prisoners of war and release, repatriate and return to their last place of residence the displaced civilians. (Status: we don’t know beyond what’s in the Claims Commission report)

Article 3 says “an independent, impartial body”, which will be appointed by the OAU (now AU), in consultation with the UN, Eritrea and Ethiopia, will conduct an investigation to determine the origins of the conflict. (Status: ignored)

Article 4 says a boundary commission (now known as Eritrea Ethiopia Boundary Commission or EEBC) will be set up at The Hague to render a decision in accordance with language the two parties agreed to in their previous accords (strictly on the basis of colonial treaties, applicable laws and without regard to what is “right” or “good”) and that this decision will be final and binding. (Status: concluded but rejected by Ethiopia)

Article 5 says a claims commission (now known as Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission or EECC) will be set up in The Hague to consider claims of both parties of the war damages the other party is alleged to have made and to render a decision (again without regard to what is “right or good”) which will also be final and binding. (Status: concluded, accepted but not implemented)

Since the 1998-2000 war between Eritrea and Ethiopia is defined as a border war (why a border dispute may degenerate into a shooting war is a completely different subject), then the heart of the Algiers Agreement is Article 4: the boundary commission. But it is not the entirety of it. (I will come back to that later.)

Hurry Up And Wait

There was supposed to be one building block agreement to the Framework Agreement and Modalities. And there was. It was called the Technical Arrangements. This was a sequence of events designed to temporarily undo Eritrea’s foray into Badme on May 6, 1998 and Ethiopia taking it back on February 6, 1999. Both parties agreed in advance that they will trust the judgment of the OAU and UN-provided experts on how the two parties should re-deploy their troops: an independent commission (whose decision would be binding but without prejudicing the final fate of the places the two parties are withdrawing from) would make its decision within three weeks of the date of the signing of the Technical Arrangement (August 31, 1999.) Eritrea instantly signed it. For seven months, the Government of Ethiopia (a) demanded changes to an agreement it had in advance agreed would be binding then (b) rejected it in March 2000; then (c) waged an offensive on May 12, 2000. It said 3 weeks is two long and then took 9 months to prepare for war and take back land it could have had without massive bloodshed and destruction.

The ostensible reason for its rejection was that its sole-demand—that status quo ante be restored—was not met and this was a matter of principle for the government. Keep in mind that Ethiopia was going through one of the worst famines at the time and when incredulous people asked Prime Minister Meles Zenawi why he was taking such an unwise decision, he got even more rigid: begging for aid should not preclude our right to fight. The real reason (explained in a statement of the Ethiopian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then issued daily) was that the Government of Ethiopia’s priorities had changed: its elite had reached the conclusion that land won back by war has the added advantage of breaking the backbone of “Shaebia,”  (Eritrea’s ruling party) which it saw as the primary cause of Eritreans’ alleged superiority complex.

Hurry Up And Wait Even Longer

In 2002, four years after the spark of the conflict and two years after the guns were silent, the Eritrea-Ethiopia Boundary Commission (EEBC) issued its ruling on delimiting their common border. Given its history of rejecting an agreement it had agreed in advance would be binding, it shouldn’t have been surprising that with all its “clever” conditions—here’s a 5 point plan, here’s a 90% plan–the Government of Ethiopia would be rejecting it. But it still was. After all, Ethiopia is a big country with aspirations for regional and continental leadership: its capital hosts the AU and UNECA; its head of government chairs regional organizations and its military is in peacekeeping missions all over Africa. And how can one be a leader if people are unable to rely on his or her promises?

But there was a method to the madness. The Ethiopian Government must have calculated that the Government of Eritrea is so detested around the continent and rest of the world that those who hear the Government of Ethiopia has reneged on a deal with the Government of Eritrea would say, “it couldn’t have happened to a worse government.” And, astonishingly, the Government of Eritrea went on to live up to this stereotype–Somalia, Djibouti, sanctions, you know the rest–and helped the Government of Ethiopia in adding color to the outline.

When Ethiopia unwisely refused to have face-to-face discussions in 1998-2000 and insisting on preconditions, at least it was having proxy-talks. In addition to Eritrea’s political dynamic, where President Isaias Afwerki decided that Party Apparatchik Yemane Gebreab (ruling party Political Director) is more senior than Foreign Minister Haile “Derue” Woldensae (in prison since 2001) and that the latter, to the amazement of the diplomats, should and would consult with the former before agreeing to anything, these proxy meetings were prone to delays. But at least they were meeting. When Ethiopia refused to accept the ruling of the boundary commission unconditionally, the Government of Eritrea settled on a strategy of waiting out the collapse of the Ethiopian Government combined with trying to shame the UNSC into shouldering its guarantee/witness role. This was an uphill battle given the importance of Ethiopia to UNSC, but it may have had a fighting chance if it was coupled with a charm offensive, not the stink bombs the Eritrean government offered in Somalia and Djibouti.

So what would happen if the government didn’t collapse and the international community didn’t care about the Algiers Agreement so long as there was no shooting war? There was never a Plan B. Plan B was Plan A: Ethiopia will unconditionally comply with the ruling of the EEBC. And if it doesn’t? Well, then, Ethiopia will unconditionally comply with the ruling of EEBC. Two years became five; five years became ten; ten became sixteen and the Government of Eritrea told us that because we are in a state of war, then hundreds of thousands of Eritreans have to be mobilized indefinitely and the constitution has to be suspended indefinitely. Because Plan B was Plan A, no new facts, no catastrophe could change the strategy. According to the UNHCR, Eritrea has, as of last year, 523,701 refugees and asylum-seekers with pending cases all over the world. This is, according to the Government of Eritrea’s census of resident Eritreans of 3.65 million, 14% of our population. Even if you assume half of the refugees and asylum seekers claiming to be Eritreans are Ethiopians (a favorite talking point of the government), that is still 7%: one of the highest for a country not in a shooting war. So, the question is, at what point would the Government of Eritrea say, “time to change a losing strategy.” At 20% exiled? 30%? 50%? There was no Plan B.

Government of Ethiopia Changes A Losing Strategy

In one of the unlikeliest plot twists, a guy that most of us (including, I am guessing, most Ethiopians) had never heard of this time last year, is now the Prime Minister of Ethiopia. PM Abiye Ahmed is easy to ridicule because he exhibits all the tics of New Agers: everything is divine, and no cliche left behind. But, in the last two months since he came to power, he has checked off all the boxes in the demand list of the positive-change-seekers: freed political prisoners by the thousands (including a man sentenced to death in absentia), lifted the state of emergency, given political space to opponents, hang lots of ribbons on toxic politicians (his way of forcing them to retire), and, last week, completely redefined his government’s position on the Algiers Agreement.

Recall that the Algiers Agreement is a treaty between the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia and the Government of the State of Eritrea.” And while his government is obligated to the international treaty, it’s not obligated to the previous government’s interpretation of it. And, if his words are to be believed—and so far, he has, unlike his predecessors, a good record of doing exactly what he said he would do—our long nightmare may be over. His words, expressed in the statement of the ruling party’s executive committee and in an address he gave an-anti corruption assembly, are summarized as follows:

1. Efforts made in the past 20 years to restore the brotherly relations of the two people have been unsuccessful;
2. Therefore, a different position and approach is necessary to restore real peace between the two countries. The two countries cannot disregard the choices and wishes of their people;
3.Ego-driven rivalry serves the interest of neither people. Moreover, the lasting solution to the political crisis and instability in the horn of Africa is a healthy relation between Ethiopia and Eritrea, the lack of which made the two countries and the region miss big opportunities;
4.In the interest of the peoples of both countries, who are bonded not only by mutual interest but also related by blood, the Government of Ethiopia has decided to fully accept the Algiers treaty and the rulings of the border commission and to implement it with conviction and without hesitance;
5. Nations spend more time and energy preparing for war and the state of readiness Eritrea and Ethiopia are in is psychologically exhausting and draining to soldiers;
6. Ethiopia is the IGAD chair and owes Africa peace;
7. I call on the Eritrean government to accept our call for peace without hesitance and to work for the restoration of the relation of the two peoples and its sustainability.

Unlike with previous Ethiopian governments, nowhere in the speech is there conditionality and there is a committment to fully accept the Algiers treaty and the rulings of the border commission.

Preparing for All Scenarios

Since the Prime Minister explained his government’s position as in the best interest of Ethiopia and Africa, the best case scenario is that he picks up exactly where we left off in late 2007 when the Eritrea Ethiopia Boundary Commission virtually demarcated the border and told the world: we are dissolved, but this is the path forward. He can do that by writing a letter to the UN Secretary General. What follows after that is purely technical (on paper) and very impactful (in real life.) Of course, all the markers along the entire 1,033 kilometers of their common border will do is bring finality to the geographic map of Eritrea and Ethiopia; nothing will stop either country from having soldiers and armaments (tanks, artilleries) amassed on either side of the marker. In other words, demarcation alone doesn’t change the peace dynamic.

The other scenario is where the Prime Minister, who didn’t just mention the Eritrea Ethiopia Border Commission but the Algiers Agreement as well—(“fully accepts the Algiers Agreement and the ruling of the boundary commission”)– wants implementation of all the articles of the Agreement beginning with Article 1 (armed Ethiopian groups housed in Eritrea, and armed Eritrean groups housed in Ethiopia whose declared goal is to wage a war of resistance against their governments) and ending with Article 4 (finality to the Claims Commission damages award.)

We do not know which path he will take, or anything in between. The point is that it is a political issue as Ethiopia, having removed the albatross of rejecting EEBC–has given itself leverage to demand “full implementation of not just EEBC but the Algiers Agreement.” If it does, and the Algiers Agreement allows it to, dialogue (proxy or direct) is mandatory.

What needs to happen is to restore something that has been lost—confidence—and as the party which was largely to blame for that (by unilaterally abdicating its responsibility to abide by the final nature of the ruling and by rejecting the judgment of a body it co-established ), the Government of Ethiopia has to take the first step, which is the step to level zero: where we were in 2002: full acceptance. It has. The next step is to take us to 2007: accept virtual demarcation in writing because the judges (whom both parties chose as experts) said it is valid. In between, the Government of Eritrea—which used to reply to every statement, every utterance made by previous Ethiopian Prime Ministers—this is also a form of dialogue, primitive, but still dialogue–has to reciprocate with a statement. The minute Eritreans hear the word “dialogue”, they interpret it as “renegotiation” but it need not be. A dialogue is a discussion, and a once-smitten party can say, “sure, but only on the terms of its implementation”, particularly since the Prime Minister, for his own reasons, is saying he wants to.

This takes us to the position of the party that formed the core of the previous government, TPLF, the ruling party of the state bordering Eritrea, Tigray, and where most of the contested and populated land is located. It issued a confusing statement and, when Voice of America (Tigrinya) interviewed a spokesperson, he was even more confusing. He started out well enough: the TPLF does not have a statement to make because this concerns two countries and the EPRDF speaks for the Federal Government. He should have stopped there. But then when he was asked, “then why did you issue a statement?” he replied, “to clarify the confusion.” “And what is the confusion.” The confusion is that there is claim that we will withdraw from territories. “But you will withdraw from territories including Badme.” But the Federal Government did not say that and our statement is consistent with that of the Federal Government. “So you are saying you won’t withdraw from Badme?” “Yes, there is no withdrawal and the EPRDF statement didn’t call for one…”

The issue here is that the TPLF had been misleading its constituency, the people of Tigray, for a decade and half, and now that the Prime Minister of the Federal Government has said that he will abide fully with EEBC, i.e., withdraw from territories awarded to Eritrea; i.e. including Badme, it is caught in a trap and trying to stall. And my money is on this: the PM is going to take measures that will keep the TPLF too busy dealing with its kilil issues to bother him at the Federal level. And for that to happen, he needs the support of the international community (he has it); the loyalty of the armed forces and national security (he has taken fast steps); the co-operation of regional powers (multiple trips to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and getting his citizens released from their prisons suggests he is making progress) and the sanity of the Government of Eritrea (jury is still out, but the prognosis is never good.) Of course, the Prime Minister can also unilaterally withdraw his soldiers and armaments, let Eritrea deal with the European cartographers in demarcating the border and wait for his equivalent–a post Ghedli leader– to emerge in Eritrea and deal with her. For a guy so easy to lampoon, Prime Minister Abiye may yet become one of the most consequential leaders Ethiopia produced.

 

About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • Selam Hope,

    The international law has not set foot in the region to see who lives where, and did not listen to the wish of the local population, when it decided the border on a piece of paper. It was very reminiscent of sharing the african cake in berlin in 1884.

    Unlike the regime in asmara, the ethiopian government gives value to its people and listens to them, at least sometimes. That is why international laws in which those who decided did not care to collect the necessary informations on the ground is not above the people whose lives are going to be affected negatively, because of one artificial border, as the pm Abiy calls it. You can interpret my viewpoint on this any way you like.

    Do you want to call me a tplf/woyane, Hope? Let me satisfy your curiosity. Yes, i am. So what? Are you going to say i could not be an ethiopian. So what, again?
    Do not dwell on things you have no power to decide, and there is nothing you can do about. Fortunately, in ethiopia we do not have people who will ever dare to say who is an ethiopian and who is not, who is a patriot and who is not, because these concept are not in anybody’s personal domain, and nobody has the right to doubt. Period.

    The number one enemies of eritrea and eritreans today are dia/pfdj and the pseudo-patriots (“የጎህ አጥብያ ጀግኖች”) , who dare to question the eritreanism and patriotism of others, and some of them have the audacity to demean people like A.H. who fought in battle fields and put on the line their lives for what they believed, and brought the independence of eritrea. Can you tell me what the pseudo-patriots have done for eritrea other than showing their patriotism on the internet by trolling others who do not support dia/pfdj?

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    • Kokhob Selam

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  • Teodros Alem

    Selam abi
    meles and ethiopia doesn’t go together.
    Everything meles did based on his assumption of tigrai interest. no confusion there. Wadet tagataga? ezaw.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear George,

    What ever difference I have with the way the Eritrean government conducted the war or negotiated the war, I can put it aside.

    My biggest problem with the ERITREAN government IA that is, why he declared war against the ERITREAN people.

    And those people who are all hell bend who support the ERITREAN government, people like, I wonder sometimes if you really care for the country, the people and even the leadership.

    Berhe

  • Mez

    Dear @george,

    You are a thoughtful person.

    Thanks

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam George,

    Brother, I will ask you a simple question now. You are saying: until Ethiopia move out its troops from our land, we will not talk with them and we don’t trust them. If I am correct, what alternative do we have to get back our land, if Ethiopia continued to insist for dialogue? Or in short with the current positions of both governments, do we have any other alternative than force to get back our land? Is war an alternative for the Eritrean Government? I am just curious if you have a hint on it.

  • Mez

    Dear Ras Abi,

    ….” all sided”….

    To be frank with you, as I wrote it, I was dreaming about an xxl cold Melotti.

    Sorry for bothering you.

    • Abi

      Hi Mez
      Cold Melloti is great when the weather is warm.
      I was thinking of an iced COFFEE when I responded to you. Unlike the beer it Keeps you awake:)

  • Amde

    Hello Awatistas,

    ETV Live had/has livestream of Parliament Q & A of PM AA.

    He revealed that he was at the site during Badme’s liberation with Operation Sunset. He also said his own blood brother was killed and buried during the Badme campaign. This was in the context of saying how he understood the feelings of the military and the families of the fallen. But he mentioned those in the context of saying we can’t keep counting the dead and not move on.

    Interesting and strong performance.

    I also thought his short post Moqadisho visit speech, where he laid out an intergenerational and regional vision of integration between the Ethiopian interior and the Somali coastline was quite revealing.

    Amde

    • saay7

      Amde:

      But above all, does it answer Amdes question of “why now when he has so much on his plate? “

      I think it does. Because he said we in Addis don’t feel it but those living in the border are do. Because, he said, we are only implementing what “you” (prior governments) committed to. Because, he said, the argument of “we lost so many lives to liberate Badme and therefore it’s Ethiopian” is illogical because significantly more people died in Barentu, so is that Ethiopia now?

      I am feeling very good about our bet Amde. As I said in the conclus of my article, the obstacle is now from the two terrible orgs, PFDJ and TPLF because they are, to use a phrase used by our long-disappeared former Foreign/Defense Minister Petros Solomom, they are “a fighting, secretive, and rigid” organizations. Recall that part of his speech was a rebuttal to TPLF CCs nostalgia for the secretive ways and he said nope what EPRDF decides today should be discussed by the people an hour later.

      June 20 commemorates martyrs day, and the game of hide-and-seek Isaias Afwerki is playing will be over as he has to give a speech. I am expecting him to build on his “without bias” phrase he gave on Independence Day (without bias = don’t be surprised whatever I do, even if you see a US flag flying on the base I gave them somewhere on the Red Sea because I am the king) buried within a lot of cryptic notes.

      saay

      • Amde

        Hi saay,

        I am NOT feeling good about our bet….
        Do you know, i wrote “Saay did you write his speech?” and then deleted it?

        Twitter is on fire about his performance today.

        He actually saud (to paraphrase), “.. by using torture WE (meaning the government) are the ones committing acts of terror…”

        ETV and all the regional TV stations were showing Parliament live today. Tigray TV chose to show a rerun of soccer match between Meqele and Defense. TPLF is spectacularly bad..wow.. There is a rendition of the Jilted Girlfriend meme, where the dude (labelled as ትግሬዎች)is checking out the new girl (labelled as ዶ/ር አብይ አህመድ) while the outraged current girlfriend (labelled as ህወሐት) looks on. This is a central an issue that affects Tigray more than any state, and one would imagine Tigrayans would be interested in it.

        Amde

    • Mez

      Good Day Amde,

      1) from this, I still don’t see any objective and refreshing input regarding the Eritrean-Ethiopian boarder demarcation and normalization; no dynamism yet towards a lasting solution. It lacks depth and intensity, since the real problems will not be touched with this. Not addressing the contested boarder area resident’s wish (in any form possible) is very bad.
      2) on the other hand the Mogadishu visit of PM-AAA:
      2.1) may likely contribute positively to drain out the bad-blood in the ethio-eritrea relation,
      2.2) accelerate economic growth in the region,
      2.3) further stabilize ethio-somali region.

      Thanks

      • Amde

        Hi Mez,

        I think you raise a good point. I havent seen the whole speech yet.

        “Demarcation” vs “Normalization”

        I was about to respond to Saay as a follow on:

        PMAA may be pushing for integration and thus trying to break the various logjams along the way as soon as possible. But the “peace along the border” argument cannot be solved unilaterally. What is the point of Ethiopia retreating a few kilometers but still having to station a defensive army? From that perspective, the Ethio policy to this point have relevance. One needs cards to negotiate and a unilateral withdrawal takes these cards away. That is why I still feel there is an external element that is driving this.

        And you are right – as far as I could tell there is no rhetorical assurances given to the affected population. I am hoping an Ethiopian withdrawal from Badme provides the Eri side the political cover to declare victory and start off a set of side deals to address affected populations as a goodwill gesture and sign of magnanimity. But my feeling is the Eri regime wants the status quo more than the Ethio side, so wouldn’t be surprised with last minute bad faith acts. I think PMAA has already gone well above and beyond what could have been expected of him. And still – nothing from Asmara.

        Amde

        • Mez

          Dear Amde,

          “….an Ethiopian withdrawal from Badme provides the Eri side the political cover to declare victory…”

          1) This is exactly the core problem. And that is why it will be a wrong decision by team PM-AAA.

          2) if that happens, the conflict will most likely go back to the status of (approximately) the year 1997– the eve year of the war.

          3) no body, as of now, talk any thing about any solving mechanism of the root-cause of the conflict,

          4) remember, the PIA & late Males Zenawi, destroyed one of the strongest, all sided comerce between the two countries within few weeks–inherently for their self-centered powerlust.

          Thanks

          • halafi mengedi

            Mez,

            Disagree. As I said before, without demarcation, any disagreement will lead to war (just as it did in 98). This has to do with how the mentality of the tigrigna speakers on either side of mereb is, especially with land possession. It would not be a big problem along somalia-ethiopia border. The demarcation also provides a closure. On the issue potential displacement of people, I agree with most people on the forum. Need to have dialogue.

            With border demarcated and gov respecting each countries borders, relationships might not be good, but the likely of war would also be low.

            hm

          • Amde

            Hi hm,

            I don’t think the war was about the border in the first place. If the Ethio side moves towards noncontroversial border, there is no guarantee that all the claimed benefits Saay is quoting Abiy on will materialize. There will be a large Eri army facing a large Ethio army. The Ethio side locals don’t get normalization. Some Ethiopians lose their land and they have to be moved.

            It would be a pointless exercise on the Ethiopian side.

            It would be meaningful if all this Ethiopian political/diplomatic movement has some kind of commitment from the Eri side to move from the current condition to peace.

            Amds

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde,

            The conflict might not have been about land/border, but the land/border claims on either side provided ‘tangibility’ vs the abstract of trade/ego-disagreements to the conflict and war proceeded. As i said, this probably wouldn’t be a problem in other regions. Also, it would be very weird propaganda for either side to say ‘hey, we are going to war because we cant agree on trade.’ I will say this again, without clear border demarcation, war is very likely when disagreements arise (as they clearly did in 98), and with borders demarcated and respected, relations might not be better (especially as long as IA is in power), but the possibility of was is also low.

            I sense you are looking it from the ‘politics’ of it and its implication for Ethiopia gov and politicians. That is really important, but we have to also look into what is good for the people for both countries, especially in the long term. As I said, the issue of irob and others directly affected by demarcation need to be addressed.

            hm

          • Mez

            Dear Amde,
            What I am thinking is some sort of “creative realpolitik” from PM-AAA team (while expecting nothing from the PIA government), as that was the case then with Kanzler Willy Brandt of West Germany.

            Shallow solution will take nowhere. It will just complicate life for ordinary people further.
            Thanks

          • Amde

            Hi Mez,

            I agree but the problem is so far there is no Eritrean side. If there is no sign from the government, then perhaps some activity from the community. Someone like a number of Saaytanish (hint hint) people who can lead/distill conversation which the Eritrean side needs, but which the Eri government side can plausibly deny and walk away from if they dont like it.

            AND, there must be other issues driving his PM AAAs apparently unilateral wish to resolve it with some speed.

            From what I have seen of PM AA so far, he is constantly opening up the “problem space” to bring in a wider perspective and thus a solution set. As much as his performance in Parliament made Ethiopians happy, I feel his TV interview after his Moqadisho trip can be termed his definitive vision for the long term and for the region as a whole. If you look at it in those terms, the Ethio-Eri border issue looks almost quaint.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Haha Amde:

            It’s hard to change a narrative, one that has been internalized and hard wired: Ethiopia and Eritrea have a prevailing ruling class narrative and PM Abiye rose over Ethiopia’s; and we are stuck with ours which is why all the PFdJistas and all the self-described patriot opposition are still fighting yesterdays battles (they didn’t get the news that TPLF is out and there is a new order in Ethiopia.)

            This requires an article and I will write it, when I recover from my overexposure 😂

            saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Saay
            I hear Elias Amare tweeted supporting PM Abiy speech today and said he is a man we can deal with. Perhaps there is a greenlight from Adi Halo.

          • saay7

            Abrehet:

            Did he now? I am too busy laughing at his tweet where he described himself as an independent journalist and I missed that 😂

            The “a man we can deal with” is what Thatcher said of Gorbachev and if nothing else Elias is a student of history. Point is: despite the fact that Isaias Afwerki sent smoke signals on Independence Day that he is ready to change directions (here comes the US military base, here comes the deal with Ethiopia), the old guard in the PFDJ and Opposition is still singing from “Weyane!weyane!” hymn book, talking about an enemy that is out of power and focused on consolidating power in its province. It will still take Elias and company a month longer to understand that, as far as PM Abiye and all forward-looking folk are concerned, demarcation (a subset of the Algiers Agreement) is a means to an end and not the end.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            He gave a great lecture how to bring about peace and port at the same time. Peaceport instead of Passport!! Genius!
            King AA is onto something.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Do u understand amharic? If yes, there is no complication or confusion in what pm AAA said in the parliament, it’s all clear.
            I don’t know why it is so important for u guys(tplf) to admit or not to admit tplf is lost? is not important. The important thing is ethiopia and the region at large is changing fast and changing for better.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            I do not disagree to what you are suggesting. Basically you are taking us back to 2000, events after the conflict. Both countries agreed to go to arbitration and, what you are proposing is reversing that agreement.

            Weather Eritrea side declare victory or not is irrelevant to the court decision.

            Berhe

          • halafi mengedi

            Berhe,

            This is a terrible idea. What you going to do if Ethiopia went to arbitration with a claim for Asseb and much more?

            Conflating demarcating border with other things is just so bad of an idea.

            hm

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HM,
            I am not suggestion we should open the agreement. I was just responding to Mez, that what he is suggesting is going back to 2000.

            I think at this point, we should just stick to the Algiers agreement and it’s implementation with consideration of those who are affected by the demarcation.

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Berhe,

            1) What I am saying is the team PM-AAA shall have a holistic solution perspective, which will transparently address the “awsamly detailed ” components of the problem bundle. If it takes one month or one year, that is not the issue here.

            1.1) By doing so (from the PM-AAA side), Eritrean at large may get alternative perspective and if you will truth. The Ethiopian will also get the much awaited roadmap to their future good neighbourhood with Eritrea.

            2) Remember the conflict was not started due to boundary challenges; this was rather a means to project power and impose self-will on others. But knowing deep inside oneself that just addressing the boundary will not bring any tangible output–and still doing it–is dishonesty in every aspect.

            Thanks

          • halafi mengedi

            Mez,

            Your point #2 is just so incredulous. Definitely, conflict was much more than border, but you don’t think there was also a very really problem with borders too? I mean, the claim to badme and other disputed areas was what precipitated the war (of course on the background of the other problems between tplf/mz and pfdj/ia).

            hm

          • Mez

            Dear Halafi M,

            Nothing to add.

            Thanks

          • Hope

            Mez:
            Aren’t U Eritrean?
            Thought u listened to Dr Ande and read his book and articles!
            If so,there is literally NO wrong doing from Eritrea’s side except the initial mistake at Baduma even though it was a reasonable action militarily speaking and per common sense if at all the rxn has to do with the cold blooded murder of our Officers.

            We have been victims since 100 yrs ago/back.
            Yes indeed the economic and monetary factors played a role
            but still Eritrea was the victim though from that aspect and it has a legitimate RIGHT to print its own currency and to even practice some black Market to stand on its feet after the wanton destruction and looting by the Ethiopian Regimes for over 60 yrs!

          • Abi

            Hope Nefse
            His Excellency PMAA is talking about Assab Port. Now stop crowding this place and get busy fixing the port. Time to show the port some love. The owners are back in business!!!
            00000000000000000000.00. That is how much we owe you for the last 60 years of love.
            እኔ በበኩሌ እወድሽ ነበረ…
            You like Tilahun?
            Do you ever listen to music?or watch movies? Sports?

          • Alex

            Hi Abiel,
            When are you going to stop dreaming about assab. You remind me of the old ethiopian chauvinist when it comes to Asseb. Wake up Asseb is Eritrea land you like or not.

          • Hope

            Wow Abi:
            Finally back to your real senses,thanks to Dr Abiy the Great and the Charismatic Champion Leader-the BEST Ethiopia snd Africa has seen and produced EVER!
            Love Kuku,Efrem ,Mahmud,Alamein ,Abreham Afeworki ,Helen Meles and Regae Music.

            Soccer and Basket Ball are my fav and Tennis as well;and I represent ed /played for,proudly Group B Division of the GCMS (The Gonder College of Med Sciences),the current Gonder Univ,Soccer and Basket Ball as well as Volley Ball Teams with our match with Bahirdar Poly !

            It was fun and looking forward to visiting those places soon after Dr Abiy declares peace with Eritrea.!
            Can’t wait,indeed!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            All points you raised are valid, beside demarcation any other long terms beneficial agreements and decisions needs to be made. But I think the border demarcation should be the first step to get there. But all other outstanding issue should not be used as a condition to the underlying problem at hand, which is Ethiopia compliance with the ruling.

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Be the,

            With your statement : “…the underlying problem at hand, which is Ethiopia compliance with the ruling…”

            You just turned things upside down.

            Thanks

        • Selam Amde,

          About external factor(s), it seems plausible as time passes. In his response to parliament, pm Abiy
          a) did not mention at all Mz’s 5-point plan, although he mentioned the papers the parliament rubber stamped that exist even in his own office,
          b) talks of dialogue in a low and mild tone,
          c) says at the end the people will decide and his government will act on their decision,
          d) still more unbelievable is what he said about export commodities ethiopia flies to a saudi port to export it from there (if i remember well). Saying why not use the port of assab is one thing, but flying to a saudi port and exporting from there is another thing. It must be high value commodity to be cost effective.
          e) Afterall the one billion does not seem to be manna from the sky. There may be pre-conditions attached to it, and finally
          f) The eritrean regime remains low outside the picture on a subject that is extremely important to it, as if somebody has told it to do so until it gets the signal to get out of its hiding,

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            Yes the logistics discussion is interesting. To think it is cheaper to fly something from Hawassa to a Saudi port and put it on a ship there, even with the new Djibouti rail in place is rather unbelievable. And ominous. Hawassa is not that far from Mojo, which has a dry port, and where product can be put on and off the Djibouti train. But he is telling us a flight to a Saudi port is still less expensive.

            He also said, we are having a hard time paying loans back. And that the economic growth rate has slowed to the single digits (is it 9.99% or 1.00% ?)

            I like your point (f).

    • Selam Amde,

      I am not sure if the video i watched (on addis neger) is the same with that you mentioned about PM Abiy’s response to the question put to him in parliament concerning the ethio-eritrean border problem, although it looks similar. Nevertheless, the following is the information i gathered as i understood.

      He spoke of the artificial nature of the colonial borders that divided people, the eprdf council did not discuss exclusively badme but the whole border, the problem faced by people living at the border, the need for a solution, etc.

      The core message in his response as i understood is that dialogue is important, and the final decision lies with the people, and the ethiopian government is not going to take a unilateral decision or action, but it is obliged to implement the will of the people, although it will not desist from saying its opinion if the people decide the status quo to continue, without of course putting pressure.

      My question is, if you have any idea, how is the decision of the people going to take place. Is it going to be through a referendum of one sort or other that concerns, for example, the local population in the border area, or does it includes the people of tigray, or the ethiopian people as a whole? He did not say anything in that direction and it does not seem clear.

      • Amde

        Hi Horizon,

        As far as I could tell, he did not talk about the people’s decision but about parliament’s decision. He said Parliament had already approved it many years ago and that in fact Parliament should be questioning the executive (that would be the PM etc)as to why its decision has not been executed. He also suggested that parliament could change its mind about it, in which case the executive has a duty to enact parliament’s decision.

        So.. a vigorous debate could still happen in parliament if the MPs are so inclined. The speaker of the upper house is a TPLF politburo member, and so is the parliamentary whip in the lower house. One hopes they can push for a review of the whole thing out of principle rather than as political sabotage on PMAA.

        We will see.

        Amde

        • saay7

          Amde,

          Here’s what I remember from PM’s speech in response to the question (by the Speaker of the House?) on whether the Executive branch is (a) rushing this process and (b) not consulting with the people:

          1. PM Meles accepted the Algiers Agreement and had it ratified at the parliament;
          2. PM Meles accepted the decision of the Boundary Commission and had it ratified by the parliament;
          3. PM Meles already notified the AU of Ethiopia’s acceptance of both;
          4. So, I am only implemented what Ethiopia already committed to;
          5. But, if every decision requires popular referendum, was there one done on Asab?
          6. In that regard, the decision of the people should be updated, hour-by-hour, of EPRDF decision making process. We can’t give them what we baked, they have to help us in the baking process.
          7. If the parliament feels status quo is acceptable, we (the executive office) will try to convince you (legislative office) of the wrongness of statusquo, but ultimately it is the people’s decision.
          8. When I said, “we are Ethiopians when alive, we are Ethiopia when we die” and you ask how does this apply to someone who died in Badme, I appreciate that people internalized the message, but there is a flaw in the logic: people died for Asab too. In fact, not many people died for Badme. Significantly more died past the Mereb river, in places like Barentu.
          9. EPRDF executive office did not discuss lines and demarcation, because they are all artificial, it discussed how to improve the lives of those who live in the border areas. How we can re-allocate the resource now allocated for artilleries and weapons. Or on how to provide relief to the militia who work without pay. Of how to create development….

          It was a masterful performance that stripped the revolutionary legitimacy of TPLF (I cried when the Ethiopian flag was raise in Badme!), its claim to be the vanguard of Ethiopian interest (the 1998-00 war was by far the most destructive war in Ethiopian history) and its claim to be the sole spokesperson for Tigrayans (I met with people in Mekele and this is what they want.) Our here in the US, people say “that’s the day ____ became president” whenever a president makes a significant speech. I think this is the day PM Abiye became Ethiopia’s PM and reduced TPLF to be a regional organization, a Tigrinya speaking ESPDP.

          saay

          • Amde

            Thank you Saay,

            I had a longer comment but apparently disqus liked it so much it decided to keep it.

            It is not too early to say he has it him to be one of the great ones.

            In his statement he did allude to the responsibility of both governments to listen to their citizens in the process of executing this deal.

            That beatdown on TPLF tho… man that was brutal.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Yeah, that beat down, if it was boxing match the ref would have stopped it.

            Your peeps are funny; here’s the latest (be sure Hayat is nowhere to hear it though)

            Customer: do you have a pic of Meles for sale?
            Merchant: No! Why do you keep asking over and over?
            Customer: because I want to hear you say it over and over.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear great Amde.

            Please, please keep it and post it when the time permits,.,

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Ato Amde:

            Where’s Kaddis? We need to hear the view from inside the beltway. Or whatever the word is for Government, Inc in Addis.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Ah.. indeed..

            And our friend Eyob? If you are nice to him for a change he might have something to say haha

  • Selam Hope,

    When you say “your superiority complex and genius will make miracles”, it is no different than the mass psychology dia/eplf used in the field, which was the “hadi hizbi, hadi libi” mantra. What was the result? More and more sacrifice, an authoritarian regime and slavery for the people.

    When you have nothing tangible to show to support your superiority complex, and when you believe that you can do miracles outside eritrea but nothing upto now within eritrea, then my friend, it is the manifestation of inferiority complex masquerading as a superiority complex. If you are talking again about the ‘fork and screwdriver” thing, or some hotels in south sudan, unfortunately they cannot be taken as miracle, unless you want to call them as such.

    Be humble, be a pragmatist, and you will understand that sitting on the top of mount everest helps you to imagine things, but not to become singapore, israel or switzerland. Come down to the plain where the real job is and the real people do business.

    • Hope

      Selam Dr Horizon:
      Sir, with all due respect, you are circling around on tangential issues.
      I brought the “Superiority Complex ” issue after U brought it up.
      But seriously though, Eritreans are not that much egoistic people as you might think but more than Innocent, Humble, Hard Working, Creative and Pragmatic.
      Now saying that doesn’t mean that Eritreans are Super Humans but to tell you that “Chigir bilhatin Yifetral”, silehonem,/ hence, life challenges and the unheard of brutal experience made them to be so and to act so and that is why they act ,walk and talk as such–like Superior Beings and Genius, practically though,based on history and the facts on the ground.
      They walk the talk when they are given the chance…and they will do do so as they will get the chance after the Dictator is cornered, thanks to Dr Abiy.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Hope,
    Since you are not the UN and do not represent “world leaders” would it be possible to explain your individual position? You cannot be held responsible for what others decide, I am curious to know your own view on the matter.
    Then you wrote:

    “And if we believe that he has done something wrong irrespective of his motive and conspiracies, we have to figure it out and take concrete actions…”

    I guess Berhe believes he has done many terrible things, but are you still trying to find out if he “has done something wrong’ that we still have to figure out?

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    You call him PIA consistently and that’s why I say “your PIA”. For me he is not a president, but someone who stayed there illegally, so I call him IA. That’s not a problem in itself but you appear to give him credit when you feel like defending him.

    What exactly that he has done since he set foot in Asmara in 1991 that’s worthy of a president?

    Now I don’t want to hear conspiracy this conspiracy that, but as a leader of a country what has he done in the past 27 years?

    May that would give an answer that you are looking for what YG is saying.

    Berhe

  • Abi

    Hope Nefse
    Happy father’s Day to you as well.
    As you said we will come back after 30 short years to claim our port. This will give you ample time to renovate the port and bring it to our standards. In the meantime we deal with our nice neighbors who don’t see their port as the only trophy for winning the independence .

    I see you talk highly of andebrhan the same way you talked about IA before and after independence.

    • Hope

      Selam Ye Alula Abbat and Brother-in-Law:
      It is unfair to judge people by 1% of their “bad’ experience and deeds rather than by the 99% of the good experience and things they have done-even though a human nature to do so..
      You bet that I admire and give credit to both tegadelti for their positive contributions but that doesn’t mean that they should be above the law, specially PIA….despite his enormous contributions, he messed up the Eritreans and Post-Independence Eritrea even though the unexpected obstacles and enemies might have made him to have done what he has done to us…besides his ERRATIC and CHAOTIC decisions….and actions, in my opinion.
      I wish we have a new leader like Dr Abiy,who could declare a Blanket Amnesty and a Genuine National reconciliation….so that all those to be pardoned can be pardoned with a proper compensation as deemed necessary and leave the past behind us and move on .
      Am afraid that PIA shall do that due to his very paranoiac and “sadist” nature ….but if I were him, I would declare as such as the INKO(only) solution is to do-so as to avoid all kinds of animosities and enmities and dangerous revenges.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Ethiopia, unable to afford the cost of Berbera port construction, has long desired UAE to foot the bill. And, with Ethiopia’s withdrawal from Badme, UAE will indeed cover most of not only Berbera construction costs, but also partial costing of an Ethiopian navy that would be based there.

    • Selam FishMilk,

      I find difficult to understand your line of reasoning. Does the uae owe ethiopia or eritrea anything that she would pay ethiopia’s expenses concerning the construction of the port of berbera, and partially cover the cost of ethiopia’s navy of the future? All these so that eritrea gets badme. It is really interesting. Can you give us the link.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Ethiopian withdrawal from Badme will go forward and there is a need to articulate a post-Badme strategy dealing with the PIA/PFDJ regime that takes into account recent changes in the Horn of Africa and gulf alliances. Don’t allow your minds to be stuck in the past. PIA/PFDJ’s time to be truly accountable to its citizens is quickly drawing near.

    • Beyan

      Selam FM,

      All that one can say to such a prospect is: From your mouth to the gates of heaven. I hope you’re basing this on some tangible info or assessment and not on whims. Even, if on the latter, I would still say Amen!

      • @george

        Dear Beyan…

        Well well well.. I really didn’t think you show your face after that last post, in which you suggested that Ethiopia should invade Eritrea. You really have some guts on you buddy. I pray that your Reckless suggestion doesn’t come true. Now you are here praising another lunatic called YG. The guy who wants Eritrea to be reunited with a backward country. Birds of the same feather flock together. I suggest you stick to coating some random philosopher nobody heard off. Tom got every time people are way way wiser than you. Nobody in their right mind will praise YG have ever unless you have alternative motive. For now you’ve shown your card already I knew who you are I was just waiting for you to expose yourself.

        • Abi

          Hi @george
          I agree with you the last thing Eritrea need is to be reunited with the ” backward” country.

  • Selam Hope,

    It is really unbelievable when eritreans who demeaned and demonized Dr. Abiy are so much infatuated with him. What is the catch? Peace? No. Nothing is going to change in the behavior of dia and his supporters towards ethiopia.

    Whoever wants real peace comes to the front and is not afraid of dialogue. PM Abiy has said nothing different when he said “we accept the decision”. It was with the aim to negotiate on how to implement it on the ground with the other side, because decisions on paper are not enough. Why don’t you come out and take the invitation, instead of waiting for pm Abiy to order the ethiopian army to vacate the region, because it is not going to happen without dialogue, this july or any other date.

    Eritreans are living under a state of emergency since 2000. Simply, you do not want to accept it. If soe in ethiopia had been extended for few months the recent killings in the southern state may have been averted. Do not look only at what happens in ethiopia to rationalize what happens in eritrea; learn to look at the plight of the eritrean people under dictatorship. It is not enough to demonize only tplf, while your lukewarm criticism of the dictatorship in eritrea says a lot.

    May the lord have mercy on YOU (i am forced to reciprocate), because everything that happened in eritrea upto now, and may happen in the future, is as the result of your actions. If there is the no-war-no-peace situation, it is because you are only too happy to participate in it. It serves your purpose, the viability of the dictatorship in eritrea.

    You are looking at my inhumanity, although i do not understand why you call me inhuman, while you yourself has not raised a finger when eritreans (your own people) are forced to leave their country, hundreds of thousands of them, live in refugee camps, die or drown as they cross deserts and seas, their organs harvested, raped, etc. Well, again you will say ethiopia-tplf, i should not forget the usa, are responsible. Hope, you do not have the moral high ground to tell me that i am inhuman.

    Finally, i think you said you are a christian. Is that the reason you see say we are evil, inhumanity, and sadists. Are you seeing yourself, maybe as “saint hope”, Common, don’t mix politics and religion.

  • Selam All,

    Due to ethnic conflicts in southern regional state, pm Abiy said, “አንዱ ክልል ከሌላው ክልል ወሰን የለውም፣ ያለው የአስተዳደር ወሰን ነው።” Internal borders are artificial borders meant for administrative purposes. It does not mean that ethiopians cannot move between kilils to work and live wherever they like. It is in the constitution.
    He plans to form a commission to study this topic, which has created major problem between ethnic groups. Moreover, “convince” and not “confront” seems to be his administrative strategy.

    What i want to ask is, if “አንዱ ክልል ከሌላው ክልል ወሰን የለውም፣ ያለው የአስተዳደር ወሰን ነው።” means anything new or not. Does it means that what exists between regional states is not geographic borders, but administrative limits only, and how does one explain that?
    http://ethiomedia.com/index.html

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei.
      It is very simple. That border is for the government to administer the different parts of Ethiopia in a smaller regions, people administering their day to day life hand in hand with the government if you will. Otherwise it is not a border like a border between different nation where you move ethnic groups you hate here and there or a border to keep different ethnic groups to stay in peace no war while tplf sucks their natural resource as a peace breaker while it itself ingaging the war among ethnics through its party called eprdf.

    • Mez

      Dear Horizon,

      He meant what he said, it is a self explanatory sentence.

      Politically it means, for all practical purposes, power is vested in the federal government.

      Thanks

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Horizon, in my opinion, the Ethiopian Killils, meaning States, have more ‘harder’ borders than administrative zones only, because these States are Constitutionally defined with their own autonomous powers and borders under the federation. The basic and nagging question is how these borders were decided to begin with, considering the complexity of the diverse Ethiopian society. If I’m not mistaken, the Ethiopian Constitution does have articles that deal with the righs of “nations and nationalities” to form their own States when they wish so. I think sooner or later Ethiopians of all stakeholders should come together to revise the Ethiopian Constitution and see if they could amend it so that the country avoids serious intra and inter-state conflicts as well as to improve the electoral and party systems to be better representative of the people.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei.
    Today i saw one clip about Andargachew who is a member of Ginbot 7. I was a supporter of Ginbot 7 til it started working with Eritrean government. In my opinion the two governments are one and the same. Their policy is one ethnic first.

    Back to the clip. It refreshes me how the EThiopians struggled with the minority government in Ethiopia. It was amusing journey. Late alone parties who oppose tigre government in Ethiopia even writing about it used to send Ethiopians to preseason. This has made EThiopia the largest preseason in the world. I know how horrible was in Ethiopia. But i thought people were terrorized by the tplf government and stay away from opposing tplf. I was wrong. But now the last few months thousands and thousands people are freed. It just seams a tigrian derg collapsed without the dergists sent to preseason or disappear from Ethiopia. Everybody knows that putting the tigre dergists in preseasons the right thing to do but peace is the key word here. Ethiopians do not want civil war based on ethnic groups like the tigre government has planned for years.

    The first thing is to stop the oppression and letter on work on the system where Ethiopians live by ruls and lows.

    Million things have been happening in Ethiopia. It is sad to see Eritreans are being passive. What is going on in Eritrea? What do common eritreasn in Eritrea think of the revolutions in Ethiopia? Is the government supported by the majority? The majority is tigrians so it could be. And if the majority support an oppressive government then the land would be one of the saddest place to live in.

    • @george

      Dear mitiku

      I can help explain to you what we think. As far as Ethiopia we really don’t think much of you except that you need just need to leave us alone that’s all buddy. It doesn’t matter to us you trade with us, you talk to us, you have diplomatic relations. Our only concern is that 200,000 soldiers he have on our border which forces for our brothers and sisters to be stationed to protect our country. After the Border War your country decided to go all out to destroy Eritrea which backfired by the way I’m sure you know that. Your continuous effort to bundle Eritrea and Ethiopia into one country is sad. That shows your mentality that you haven’t moved on. We didn’t fight you for 60 years to come back to join you. It’s time for you to face reality and worry about your mama Ethiopia. You have a beautiful country you have everything you need apply yourself and be successful. Countries with less resource than your country have prospered and become successful. For example Uganda is landlocked, but you don’t see them getting worked up do you?

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei, george.

        I think you refused to understand me. The tigrians governments in Ethiopia and Eritrea which are the problems for the rest of us. I dont want any unity with the now Eritrea if you want my honest opinion. For the time being let us focus on the tigrians in Ethiopia and Eritrea. Solve your ethnic problem first. Your mentality has not change for the last 27 years. It is up to you you call yourself Eritreans or Ethiopians. What we emphasize is that be considerate to the other nations and nationalities and their God given natural resources. Try to live on your own land and your resources and if you mean to be united with or more different ethnic groups then no more war and manipulation. As far as landlocked is concerned both tigre lands are landlocked. Concerning the sea let’s here it from those who owns it.

        When you stop drag the rest of ethnic groups both in Ethiopia and ERitrea into war i mean after the tigre in Ethiopia and ERitrea solve their internal problems (you showed us your unity in 1991-1998, you can do it oly this time you have to be honest and focus on what is yours) then concerning the Sea we discuss with the afars and the rest who owns the sea. No tigre killil be it in Eritrea or EThoia owns one cm sea access. So let’s respect others property. Let’s stop using Eritera and Ethoipa concept for disowning the natives. Let’s hear them. What do they want. What type of unity they want, do we impose our will on them, how can we tolerate when and if they do their will on us, etc.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei.
    You misunderstood completely about the Ethiopians understanding about the Eritrean government. The Ethiopians know how both Ethiopian and Eritrean governments are tigre governments. The tigre government in Ethiopia is crumbling down to only Tigray Killil. What the tigrians want is full control of Eritrea and Ethiopia. That dream is crushed in Ethiopia. Soon follows in Eritrea too. No one Ethnic shall have supremacy over others. You want unity then show us your decency by respecting each and every ethnic groups right, wealth, religion, culture etc.

    So it is only your wish that Ethiopian choose another tigre government just because the two tigres want to wipe one another because they do not agree how to collect the revenue from Ethiopians for what ever service the EThiopians could gate.

    • @george

      Dear mitiku

      Eritreans got nothing to do with Tigrayns. Eritreans only want to be left alone. We want peace. We want you to have peace. You work out your problem with the Tigrayns. We got nothing to do with them. Stay in your lane, from the boarder of eritrea to boarder of Somalia you got everything you need. We are doing just fine. I am sure you will be doing dine too with your double digits economy……Dont try ti mix Eritreans with Tigrayns….please….

      Peace and love

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei, george!
        What was that we had learnt at school set, subset, intersection etc. You try to confuse me the set with the intersection set. Tigray whether you like it or hate it, it is the intersection of both Eritrea and Ethiopia. I want you to continue to show the love for your intersection you have shown 1976-1998? Do you really believe that our tgire people and yours can be left one another? Since Italia divided The tigre people we never left one another. When i see we i mean we Eritreans and Ethiopians. I am not tigre fyi.

        I want you to tell me again and again how you two concur the african largest troops. How you two won over ELF. How you two helped one another and put Ethiopia and ERitrea in new regimes that hast lasted more than 27 years. Tell me your proud history together with Tigre people.

  • Beyan

    Selam Awatawyan,

    The two best minds that Eritrea has to offer are now giving their analysis on one fresh interview of Sal Y and Yosief Ghebrehiwet (YG) by Beyene Semere of SBS Radio Australia. One note of error from the host. He introduces YG as an anthropologist. Yosief’s field of endeavor is philosophy. Thanks Sal Y. and YG for elevating the discourse. Courtesy of SBS Radio Tigrinya from Australia is bringing us the two public intellectuals who are dispensing their viewpoints. Here is the brief prelude in Tigrinya by SBS Radio:

    “ኣቶ ሳልሕ ዮኑስን ኣቶ ዮሴፍ ገብረህይወትን ኣብ ፖለቲካ ከባቢ ቀርኒ ኣፍሪቃ ብፍላይ ድማ ኣብ ናይ ኢትዮጵያን ኤርትራን ክጽሕፉን ክዛረቡን ዝጸንሑ ተንተንቲ እዮም። ኣብዚ ምስ ሬድዮ ኤስ ቢ ኤስ ገይረሞ ዘለዉ ጻንሒት፡ ጉዳይ ዶብ ኢትዮጵያን ኤርትራን ኤርትራን ንኽፍታሕ ላዕሊ ታሕቲ ኣብ ዝበሃለሉ ዘሎ እዋን፡ ግብረ መልሲታት ህወሓት ን መንግስቲ ኤርትራን፡ ዝለዓሉ ዘለዉ ሕቶታት ህዝቢን ኣፈታትሖኦምን፡ መንነትን መሬትን ናይቲ ኣብ ዶብ ዝነብር ህዝቢታትን ካልእን ዘትዮም ኣለዉ።”

    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/tigrinya/ti/audiotrack/qaala-mahhetete-mese-aato-saalehhe-yonusene-aato-yoseefe-gaberaheyewatene

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Saay,

      I found your voice representing my voice. You made the interest of our people at the center of your argument, by putting in perspective the people that are affected at the border area by the ruling. Second, you emphasized the necessity of dialogue to address the grievances of the people that are negatively affected (their property, the land and the psychological attachment to it). Demarcation that does not address the grievances of our people at the border will not bring a lasting peace. Well done brother, and let us continue this line of argument to be palpable to the public at large.✌️👍.

      • gebremedhin yohannes

        selam Saay
        Thank you sir
        God bless you
        Gere

    • Hope

      Selam Dr Beyan:
      Welcome back and thank you for the link.

      Welldone both Salih and Yosef.
      Few feedback:
      -Please be so kind to summarize the interview in Englush so that the Awate Forum can debate on it as it is a very timely Topic

      -I wish Dr Andeberhan and ideally PIA and Yemanrs,joined the Inteview as tbey could have elaborated tons of tnings

      -I kind of liked YG and his Logic,not suprised to have such a Logic from a Philosopher and he even sounds like a Psychologist or Psychoanalyst when he torn down /apart PIA and his Psychopathic and Saddist Mentality-very scary,if that his mentality.

      -Not surprised by Salih’s straight foreward shots but I beg for his clarification on his Dialogue analysis before the TPLF Troop withdrwal from Budama as he has given the Hanquolti a Green Light to keep the Status Quo!

      ‘-Admire also Salih”s advice to Yosef’s seemingly biased and unconstructive approach on Deki Kebessa vs other Eritreans victimhood vis-a-vis the PFDJ’s oppression,while I agree with Yosef’s blunt analysis on PFDJ’s negative impact on the Deki Kebessi!

      -Salih is correct that the PFDJ doesn’t discriminate on its injustice on Eritreans.
      Dr Andeberhan exposed the facts as they are that Eritrea and Eritreans are even the losers and the victims and the Tigreyans and their flip-flopping and Hanquolti TPLF OLDY GUARDS do not have a moral ground let alone a legitimacy to complain and protest about anything!

      • Hope

        An addendum:
        Can YG or any one here clarify to me as to why, how and for what hidden Agenda would the PFDJ ,not the EPLF/Shaebia, would be the enemy of Eritreans?

        Dr Andeberhan reenforced YG’s SCARY statement in his book by stating ” The Drunk Man’s Confession”
        by quoting the Saddist’ saying ” I know U call me an Agame. behind my back but as much as I did my best to bring up this nation to its existence,I will do my best as well to destroy it”-simp!ified.

        Just simply coz we called him an “Agame”?

        If that is the case,then why are we Eritreans so MUTE and Actionless ,rather and worse, rallying behind him?

      • Beyan

        Selam Hope,
        Had to abruptly leave the conversation last week, to which I wish not to return, because when time permits, the subject matter deserves an article size treatment. I’ve seen Berhe Y.’s entry and yours, but hope both of you understand a combination of time constraints and for the need of giving elaborate treatment I left it unattended.

        Here, too, I am afraid I will mention in haste to some of the points you raise, Hope, but not necessarily to engage in lengthy back and forth discussions. Amb. Andebrhan was at his best in VOA solo interview, but the Assenna one in a panel discussion was a bit incongruous because of the way the panel was comprised. My critique of the Assenna panel discussion as I said it to a friend in an e-mail was, in part, this:

        One major deficit I see with our Eritreans is when panel discussions are mixed with individuals of different caliber. For example, if you listened to the VOA interview of Amb. Andebrhan, you will be mesmerized as I was because the man was speaking from vast reservoir of knowledge and first-hand experience related to the border because he was a commissioner then…Now, try to listen to the Assenna interview with Amb. Andebrhan, Amb. Adhanom, and Weldyesus Ammar. To be fair, I only listened to part one, but that was enough for me not to want to listen to the next one, because it was utter disaster. For one, Amb. Adhanom’s expertise is not in diplomacy but on matters of war. He would be in his element as any general would if he were to be given to analyze matters of war. He would be an excellent guest in matters of war. Sure, he was a diplomat as well, but this subject matter was not his strong suit. Weldeyesus Ammar’s knowledge is on matters of ELF vis-a-vis Badme, which would’ve been an excellent topic were he to be interviewed on a separate occasion.

        You’re absolutely right, Hope, in an ideal world, “…Dr Andeberhan and … PIA and Yemanes … could have elaborated tons of things”. Unfortunately, we Eritreans are at a major disadvantage as Sal Y. alluded to it in the interview in how the regime is not in the business of informing its citizens and the only yard stick at our disposal is by who said what where – most of which is based on the virtual information, which is unverifiable. For example, I wanted to make some comparisons in the growth they underwent since 1991, say, between Mekelle and Asmara; Adigrat and Mendefera; Dredawa & Keren, what have you? One may find adequate data point on Ethiopia as they do census and conduct on a regular interval the city activities I just mentioned on the Ethiopian side. How can make a parallel comparison when the last census done in Eritrea was, who know how many decades ago. The closes extrapolation can be had using the referendum tally. Even that is probably classified information to those of us who oppose the regime when it should be public information.

        Eritrean regime is in the business of shielding Eritreans and quarantining them as YG also pushed that idea of keeping Eritreans ill informed about national and international matters. We are certainly in a pickle here, to say the least.

        Did I say that I will be brief – So much for hastily penning my thoughts. Let me give it a rest here.

        Beyan

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Beyan,

          I understand and I think it’s not as important and as relevant to what you are currently discussing (interview of Andebrehan and Saay and YG).

          I heard Andebrehan interview and thank you for letting us know. I also think it was a good interview and he made a lot of sense.

          I honestly didn’t know about the settlement he was speaking of. And from the interview, I get the sense that Eritrea position (even though I dispise the dictator) was not all wrong and to some degree even justified.

          I really wonder when they have that kind of fact, why they need to pick a fight with the UN, why they don’t bring journalists, is beyond me.

          Another interview that I thought worthwhile to listen was Andargachew Tsige with BBC hard talk. Of particular interests was what he said about Eritrea and the president. Also may be good idea to listen his interview with ESAT before his arrest and what he said about Eritrea and the president.

          Hard talk:

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2CQTcFiI0

          East 2011
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bXeU_dllFYM

          Ps: I have not heard the Esat interview, it was from last time. I meant to listen again.

          Amde, KH, this is for you as well in relation to what I said about IA.

          Berhe

          • Beyan

            Dear Berhe Y.,

            Your points above are right on the mark. If you think logically what this regime does, be it domestically or internationally, you will forever be baffled. I just responded to Kim Hanna below in which I shared a You Tube link that YG really shreds PFDJ’s mindset and whence its political and social modus operandi operates from, which he aptly dubbed it as a regime: “እዚ ስርዓት እዚ ንቡር ዝኸልእ ስርዓት’ዩ”

            Berhe, you rightly said after hearing Amb Andebrhan’s interview that left you “… wonder[ing] when they have that kind of fact, why they need to pick a fight with the UN, why they don’t bring journalists, is beyond [you].” But, if you look at it from a regime that wants to stay in power at any cost, it has to do everything in its power to prevent Eritreans from having a normal existence. Once you see it from their mindset, then and only then, would it fall in place.

            Beyan

      • Mez

        Dear Hope,

        more and more, Dr. Andeberhan looks to me the defacto information (propaganda) minister of PIA.

        Thanks

        • Hope

          Selam Mexghebe:
          Anghet yetefetetrw azuro lemayet new!
          Do you read and follow up on what Dr Ande have written and said and did u listen to his interviews?

          • Mez

            Good Day Hope,

            1) he said he opposes the PIA and work for peoples interest in all his capacity,

            2) if you just listen his interview about the,perplexed, boarder problem

            2.1) what he said is fascinating; he is absolutely correct, nobody knows better than him, all the contested land is Eritrean, even the verdict gives Eritrean land to Ethiopia to make them happy, and the likes.

            I don’t know what to say other than what I said before.

            Thanks

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Beyan.
      I used to be staunch supporter of YG. I defended him in Awate and many other forums. Now either his view is obsolete or I am changed I dont support YG. I think YG is more dangerous for non-tigre ethnic groups both in Eritrea and Ethiopia. If we agree on YG then we have to be ready to redraw our boarders in completely new ways than the majority used to.

      • Beyan

        Selam Mitiku,

        I am under extreme time constraints, otherwise, as Hope indicated transcribing the discussion between Sal Y. & YG would’ve helped. I am making an assumption here that you don’t speak Tigrinya surmising from your use of “non-tigre”, which was how the Amhara Ethiopians referred to anyone from the North who spoke Tigrinya irrespective of whether the person was from Eritrea or Tigray. Hopefully, someone will do a quick English transcription of the conversation at SBS, to some of which Hope alluded to below.

        Selam for now,
        Beyan

    • FishMilk

      Hi Beyan. Sorry, but YG is simply a quisling. It is absolutely a joke to refer to him as one of Eritrea’s best minds. However, there is no doubt that he is extremely popular amongst unionists, Ethiopians and dissalutioned diaspora Eritrean youth who have spent little or no time in Eritrea.

      • Beyan

        MerHaba Fish Milk,

        Hey I ain’t mad at you! Seriously, once perceptions of an individual are made, it is difficult to disentangle. When I read George Lakoff’s book several years ago, it gave me an insight in how political discourses are framed in this country. It is no different in ours. PFDJ frames the conversation, the language, the concepts, and we use the same frame and concept to counter its grip on the discourse.

        This prominent scholar, George Lakoff, “distinguished professor of cognitive science and linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley” helped the democrats to snap out of their stupor. We Eritreans need some such serious injection in the arm to wake up from our inebriated stupors. We are too busy thrashing one another instead of focusing on who said what when where, what have you. Sal Y. had it right when he said our measuring yard sticks that informs our judgment of issues comes from the noises of the virtual world. Our educated lot but have been nowhere to be heard from with the exception of some, certainly, not enough to make a dent. So, an imbecile with a lout voice will rule the day in owning the conversation and the rest follow him like a chattel with no ascertainable capacity to think critically, but plenty of emotionally composed thoughts for sure. We are and have been in this pickle for such a long time, which is why I am enjoying SGJ’s episodes peppered with humor, sarcasm, and oxymoronic Eritrean mindset. At any rate, time permitting on your end, if you haven’t read the book already, hope, you can at least read the book review of it. Here is a snippets of it with the link at the end of the partial review:

        By Jeff Shesol October 31, 2014
        Jeff Shesol is a former speechwriter for President Bill Clinton and a founding partner at West Wing Writers. His most recent book is “Supreme Power: Franklin Roosevelt vs. The Supreme Court.”
        THE ALL NEW DON’T THINK OF AN ELEPHANT!
        Know Your Values and Frame the Debate
        By George Lakoff
        Chelsea Green. 168 pp. Paperback, $15

        “Progressives, as a rule, do not look back with nostalgia at 2004 — a dismal, disempowering year, a time of swiftboating and flip-flopping and generally being left sputtering in the face of the Bush-Cheney barrage. One exception to that rule is Barack Obama, whose keynote address at that year’s Democratic National Convention launched him toward the office he now holds.

        “There is at least one other exception: George Lakoff, distinguished professor of cognitive science and linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley. For Lakoff, those were heady days. The election and its aftermath brought sold-out speaking gigs; invitations to dinner with Democratic strategists, Hollywood liberals and former president Bill Clinton; the label “guru”; and, at one memorable gathering of Senate Democrats, hugs.

        “In the wake of John Kerry’s defeat, Democrats turned to Lakoff to teach them how to communicate, how to get and stay on message, how — in Lakoff’s semi-scientific parlance — to “frame.” The professor’s calling card — the one that earned him a seat at Democratic tables that year — was a handbook titled “Don’t Think of an Elephant!” In it, Lakoff set out, for a lay audience, his theory that physical structures within the brain, activated by the use of coded and morally loaded language, determine our responses to political stimuli. Put differently, “framing” is what Republicans were doing when they said, repeatedly, that John Kerry looked French. As your “cognitive unconscious” was well aware, this was not a compliment.

        “‘The ALL NEW Don’t Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate’ by George Lakoff (Chelsea Green)
        Ten years on, Lakoff is still a proponent of framing. He puts it to work in the title of his new book, “The All New Don’t Think of an Elephant!” As readers of the previous edition will discover, this one is not all new; it is, in point of fact, only slightly new, but Lakoff has always held that progressives put too much stock in facts. He begins the book with a quick victory lap: In 2004, he tells us, “hardly anyone had heard of or thought about . . . how social and political issues were framed.” Today, “millions of people” have. “That,” Lakoff notes, “is a lot for one small book to have accomplished.”

        “Nor is that all. The Elephant playbook, its author contends, helped Obama to win the White House and Senate Democrats to expand their majority in 2008. Hope, as we know, was the mantra that year, and Lakoff’s hope was that “the superior framing would continue.” Well, “it didn’t.” Within months of Obama’s inauguration, Lakoff believes, the Democratic Party slid back into its mumbling, losing ways and the GOP “regained framing superiority in public discourse” at the national level. Now, having snatched back the ground they lost in 2008, the Republicans are “setting their framing sights on the cities as well as the states.” Republican metaphors know where you live.”

        To read the entire review, here is the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/book-review-the-all-new-dont-think-of-an-elephant-by-george-lakoff/2014/10/31/496d52f2-50b4-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a15f0adb1eda

        • FishMilk

          Hi Beyan. Man, I’m glad you ain’t mad at me. We are not talking of liberal-left politics in the US and not every one that casts sharp criticism against YG is a PFDJ embicile with a lout voice. Layoff (and also Lutz) preoccupation with cognitive linguistics, while useful for political leaders in the US, would miss the point in regards to Eritrea, given an inherent inclination to ignore the context that gives words meaning. In the case of Eritrea, language only motivates if ideas and policies it’s connected to (rightly or wrongly) resonate with a majority of Eritreans living inside of Eritrea. YG”s linguistic messaging has simply been a failure in the Eritrean context to the extent that he is now seen as a TPLF – Agazian item that is past its expiry date.

          • @george

            Dear fishmilk
            Thank you. I’m glad you articulate what I was thinking. I’m sure many think the same way. Some of them unnecessarily complicated explanation for us not so complicated problem. The gentleman is simply is unaware or completely detached from the reality that is Africa for that matter Eritrea. He might impress his colleagues the corridors of liberal universities has very little meaning in Eritrea context. Somebody else told him before that too but the guy hasn’t learned anything he still on it. The really frustrating see all educated ones detour to Siri stuff that has no value at all. How many people can read and understand what he saying. Even if you understand it how does that apply to our current situation. American reality only depend on our reality. Forget Eritrea for a second why do you say don’t even apply to any other country but you never States perhaps maybe Canada. But I’m glad that you are able to point it out in a subtle way hopefully you’ll get the message. But I have to respectfully disagree with you use your characterization of PIAA I Eritrean government.

    • Desbele

      Thanks Beyan,
      They both are articulate and fearless to speak their mind. Indeed we are lucky to have them.
      My wish is to read YG on Awate Forum.

      • Peace!

        Hi Desbele,

        No doubt he is logical and articulate writer, but his huge investment on Tigray-Tigregne false hope has failed to bear any fruit rather aroused sympathy for agazianism. The damage he has inflicted on justice community in the last eighteen years is too enormous to deserve a platform at awate.com. He had a chance and he opted out for Neo-Andnetism instead, and now that his bargaining chip TPLF losing value dramatically, one may not be surprised if he files for bankruptcy. In short, he doesn’t deserve a platform.

        Peace!

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. For YG parrot heads and unionists, they must be calling 1-800-suicide-prevention now , as Ethiopia ins now under financial control/incumbrance of UAE (and China).

  • Hope

    Abi and iSem:
    Here we go iSem,Guad abinet confirmed to you that Gen Nittric’s Brain trillion neuron cells out-numbered and out-smarted your a single Neuron cell.

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    Here’s an excerpt from VOA Tigrinya interview with Ambassador Andeberhan Woldegiorgis, who was Eritrea’s point man to the UN, working with their Field Liaison Officers, during 2002-2007. It is in Tigrinya, but I will provide its English translation to ensure maximum discussion of forumers. The relevant part begins at the 11:00 mark. You can also go to the source and hear the audio for yourself:

    https://tigrigna.voanews.com/a/interview-with-ambassador-andebrhane-wgirogis-/4439036.html

    Question:
    ካልእ ካብ አርትራውን ዝውሰድ ቦታታት ኣሎ ድብሉ ወገናት ውን ኣለዉ። ብዛዕባዚ ኽ አንታይ ኣፍልጦ ኣለካ፧



    Answer:
    እንታይ ኣሎ መስለኪ፣ እቲ ብዙሕ ድዛረብ ነቲ ጉዳይ ብዙሕ ዘይፈልጦ ኢዩ፥፥ ኣነ ክነግረኪ ኣጸቢቀ….. ዘከራከረ መሬት ብሙሉኡ ሰሜን ካብቲ ታሪኻዊ መግዛአታዊ ዶብ ኤርትራን ኢትዯፒያን በተን ሰለስተ ውዐላት …. ብሙሉኡ አቲ ዘከራከረ መሬት ልኡላዊ መሬት ኤርትራ ኢዩ ኔሩ …አቲ ዶብ ኮሚሽን ከ’ኣ ከም ኣርቢትራል ትሪቡናል ነቲ ዘከራከረ መሬት ኢዩ ኣብ ክልተ መቂሉዎ፥፥ ዝለዚ መሬት ኤርትራ ተቆሪሱ ናብ ኢትዯፒያ ከይዱምበር፥ ካብ ኢትዯፒያ ናብ ኤርትራ ዝ’ኣተወ መሬት የለን…መምለስ አግሪ ተባሂሉ ንኽልቲአን ጨራሪምካ ተዋሂቡ።




    Question
    ሕጂ፥ ንሰማዐቲ ንምብራህ ዝኣከል፥ ባድመ ናብ ኤርትራ ክትምለስ ከላ፥ ኤርትራ ኽ ንኢትዯፒያ ተረክቡ መሪአት ኣለዋ ዶ፧



    Answer:
    የብላን፥፥ ዉሳነ ኮሚሺን ዶብ’ሲ ’ቲ ቅድሚ ልኡላዊ መሬት አርትራ ዝነበረ፥ ኣከራኺሩ ዘይፈልጥ፥ ንፈለማ ጊዘ ኣብ ኣካል ዓባይ ትግራይ ኣብ ትግራይ ዝ’ኣተወ ‘ሞ ኣብቲ ክዊናት ዝ’ተ’ተንከፈ መሬት፥ ኣብ ልዕሊኡ እኮ ኢዩ ቢይን ወሲዱ፥፥ ስለዚ ኢቲ ቢዪን መሬት አርትራዩ ንኢትዯፒያ ሂቡምበር መሬት ኢትዯፒያ ን’አርትራ ኣይሃበን፥፥ መሬት ኢትዯፒያ ኮ ኣብ ክር’ክር ኣይ’ኣተወን፥፥ መሬት አርትራዩ ጥራሕ ኣብ ክርክር ኣቲዩ፥፥ መሬት አርትራ ኣብ ሰለስቲኡ ክፋል ዶብ—ምዕራብ ክፋል ማአከላይ ክፋል ጭርምራም መሬት መምለስ አግሪ ንኢትዯፒያ ተዋሂቡዩ….

    +++++++++++++
    Begin at the 11:00 mark

    Question: there are some who say there are areas which will be taken from Eritrea. What do you know about this?

    Answer: you know what? Those who speak a great deal about this issue don’t know it well. Let me tell you correctly: all the disputed lands were north of the historic colonial Eritrea-Ethiopian boundary as outlined in three treaties. All of the disputed land was sovereign Eritrean territory…. and the Boundary Commission, the arbitral communal was splitting the disputed territory… thus, it is Eritrean territory that was parceled off and awarded to Ethiopia and there is no Ethiopian territory that was parceled off and awarded to Eritrea…. Because this was an attempt to reconcile two sides, Ethiopia was given a consolation prize.

    Begin at 12:44 mark

    Question: So now, just to clarify it to the listeners: when Badme is returned to Eritrea, are there lands Eritrea has to turn over to Ethiopia?

    Answer: Not at all. The decision of the border commission was on land that, until 1997 when, for the first time, was incorporated into a Greater Tigray plan and thus Tigray, and became the battlefield. Thus, the decision did not award Ethiopian land to Eritrea; it is only Eritrean land that was awarded to Ethiopia. Chopped up Eritrean land from the Western sector, Central sector and Eastern Sector was given as consolation prize to Ethiopia.

    ++++
    I have a LOT to say, but I would like to open it up to the smartypants at awate.

    saay

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Saay,

      Two things I will agree with the Ambassador (a) if both government agree can make adjustments to respond to the grievances of the people who lives in the border area (b) It was Ethiopia which was claiming on the Eritrean land and thus our land is still occupied by Ethiopia. What I don’t understand with the Ambassador is, how did he expect Ethiopia to leave our land, which is still un demarcated, without reinstating the mechanism of demarcation that is part of the Algiers agreement.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Amanuel Hidrat. The process will be motivated by favorable relocation and financial assistance schemes. As we speak, the U.S. and EU (and others), are appropriating funds to support third nation relocation process (to be implemented through IOM, UNHCR and bilaterally) for those affected on border areas. PM Abiy would simply have not moved forward on this note unless this had received guarantees in advance (for which he did). Keep in mind that numbers involved are relatively small as many involved are from border villages that were decimated during the 1998-2000 war and are now long gone. For example most of Badme village’s approximately 2,000 current inhabitants are family members of armed forces and Permenant residents; original people from the area have long ago moved on. Ditto is the case on the Eritrean side of the border. In the overall mix of things, effected populations on the border are a miniscule issue. It is simply too late for Ethiopia, nor for that matter PIA or Eritrea to not respect PM Abiy’s (USA) predicated move to withdraw from Badme. And yes, PIA knows well that this process will move forward and he is in fact exhuberant over the matter, though cannot come public forward as such until Ethiopia commences the physical withdraw process.

        • Hope

          Selam FM:
          Welcome back.
          Africa Confidential reported that the Ethiopian troop withdrawal shall start in July!
          The UAE deposited $1 billion to improve Ethiopia’s Immediate financial crisis and will invest another $2 Billion–maybe part of what you alluded above–a third nation-Ethiopia,–the USA and the EU collecting funds?
          Hope Eritrea shall have a share of it as a Compensation and to help demobilize our Troops and rehab our refugees.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Hope and thanks. UAE’s positioning at both Assab and Berbera (within broader gulf alliances) is alllowing it to have a vantaged position in the overall process; both Eritrea and Ethiopia now need the UAE. However, one should make no mistake, the U.S. is now clearly calling the shots in regards to Ethiopia-Eri vied it’s commanding position in the UN Security Council.

          • Mez

            Dear FishMilk,

            1) The unilateral Ethiopian troops withdrawal from contested locations seems to me possible but improbable. It looks to me very simplistic.
            2) If there is going to be a troop withdrawal on the Ethiopian side, then
            2.1) i expect more serious (open) discussion (at least) on the Ethiopian side,
            2.2) I will give some merit for the opinion of Mr. Cohen (last week)–where he listed some discussion points,
            3) the UAE hard currency deposit in Ethiopia may have much larger factors entailed than just the boarder issue.
            4) the refugee crisis in Europe may be an important factor to drive the peace process and solve the Badme ownership contest; in any case Europe is much more aware of the local history than america–so they would move slower and in a relatively more open atmosphere.

            Thanks

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam FishMilk
          Are you sugesting that the plan is for the people who do not accept to live under the country they find themselves alloted to, to be settled in a third country?

    • Abi

      Hi Saay
      This guy is trying to rob Ethiopia again. Last time I checked he was a bank robber. This time a land grabber.
      Bank Robber— Bank Governor—Ambassador— Land grabber… አቦ አታጭበርብር!!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi,

        You recognize the Bank robber eh ?
        I know you have a translator for the SBS Radio Tigrinya interview of ssay and YG. I hope the English translation would follow.

        Beyan said that these two characters are the best minds Eritrea has to offer, I concur. In that spirit let me tell you this.

        It must be over 10 years ago, when saay and YG were lobbing their contradictions over us at Awate, Asmarino and other places, I made an offer (on conditions) that I can be persuaded to pay for one week summit of these two individuals to Hawaii. I remember one of the conditions was for them to write one joint paper of few pages of outline for the steps Eritrea needed to take to get to the promised land.

        I must be one (beside you) of those smartypants of Awate saay was referring to joking in one of his posts on this thread.
        Can you believe it they both chose to go to SBS Radio Tigrinya. They missed out on Hawaii.

        I hope they make similar appearances together not to highlight and argue about the past and their differences but to show how the bridge is being built with emphasis on their forward looking solutions from now on.

        Mr. K.H

        • Abi

          Hi Kim
          what is out of this world is when a bank robber turned to be a bank governor. “Only in America!”

          You remember when YG paid a visit to Awate with his article and the follow up discussion? I hope Saay invites him back at awate for some juicy discussion.
          Unfortunately my translator doesn’t listen to wenbedewoch. My hope is someone like Ato Amanual Hidrat give us something to chew for Father’s Day. I can enjoy his analysis with cold drinks while watching the World Cup.
          Kim, when Saay refers to smartypants you were not in his mind. No sir. He knows you were wearing shorts. It is hot where you live.

          Who in his right mind would want to vacation in Hawaii? Look what happened to Vet Mohamud! He is much more angrier than the raging fire in Hawaii.

        • Beyan

          Hello Kim Hanna,

          Your approach to dialogue with a forward looking trajectory is really what needs to happen. This entrenching in one’s position come what may does nobody any good, least of which the nationals of the country’s behalf we speak of.

          It is precisely in that spirit I approached Beyene Semere of SBS Radio Australia to see if he would interview Sal Y. based on his current article on the Algiers agreement. And YG on the basis of his previous You Tube talk he gave several years ago that shreds PFDJ’s tyrannical system that he aptly characterizes as “እዚ ስርዓት እዚ ንቡር ዝኸልእ ስርዓት’ዩ”. Here is the link.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEMBcGweufg

          So, Beyene suggested if I could ask whether both would be willing to come in one interview, the rest as they say is history. I am not saying this to brag, rather to support your idea “not to highlight and argue about the past and their differences but to show how the bridge is being built with emphasis on their forward looking solutions from now on.” We need more of these kinds of conversations, not to ascertain who outsmarts whom, but how we can all learn from their immense knowledge that can become what informs our understanding. Some issues are best left for experts to speak of (Amb Andebrhan, for example on the border issue); And when it comes to analysts of some such topics, Sal Y. and YG are two of the best I have had the chance of read and listen to respectively.

          For those who have not read an article YG wrote critiquing Ethiopia’s “No-War-No-Peace” foreign policy vis-a-vis Eritrea, deeming it untenable. To this end, by the way, SGJ also wrote on the same magazine named ‘Discourse’. Here are the links to both:

          Saleh Gadi Johar: “Bridge Over Mereb and Other Rivers:
          http://discourseaffairs.com/index.php/pages/topage/bridge_over_mereb_and_other_rivers

          Yosief Ghebrehiwet: “Ethiopia & Eritrea: The Waiting Game”
          http://discourseaffairs.com/index.php/pages/topage/ethiopia_and_eritrea:_the_waiting_game

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Beyan,

            Sorry for delay in response, just in the nick of time before they closed off the comments.

            Thank you for your post. I have read Y.G’s article and most of his writings as I do SAAY.
            These two individuals have a following. What they say circulates widely. I hope they continue to appear jointly to focus attention on what is important.

            Thanks again for your time.

            Mr. K.H

    • Beyan

      Selam Sal Y.,

      The VOA interview of Amb. Andebrhan was one of the exemplars that was worth listening to, because it was coming out from someone who was involved in the matter first-hand. When I first heard it several days ago, it was one of the best interviews I’ve heard so far. There are matters that are best left for the experts to give us their expertise. Based on their factual info, we can then proceed to discuss issues as we understand them.

      And, the two best minds that Eritrea has to offer are now giving their analysis on one fresh interview of Sal Y and Yosief Ghebrehiwet (YG) by Beyene Semere of SBS Radio Australia. One note of error from the host. He introduces YG as an anthropologist. Yosief’s field of endeavor is philosophy. Sal Y. and YG for elevating the discourse. Here is the link Awatawyan:

      https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/tigrinya/ti/audiotrack/qaala-mahhetete-mese-aato-saalehhe-yonusene-aato-yoseefe-gaberaheyewatene

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Saay, I hope as you promised you will come back to us with your analysis of Amb. Weldegiorgis’ voa interview. But from what you quoted, I think he is contradicting himself when he says no Eritrean land is going to Ethiopia, while at the same time telling the journalist that it was only Eritrean sovereign land which was up for grabs during the EEBC ruling, and chuncks of Eritrean land was given to Ethiopia for the sake of appeasement.
      I think he has misunderstood the question; probably the journalist was asking him whether Eritrea currently occupy lands that have been ruled to Ethiopia and must be handed over to Ethiopia, in the same manner as Badme, currently under Ethiopian hands must be returned to Eritrea.

      • saay7

        Selamat Abe:

        Over the weekend, I (along with Yosief G) was interviewed by SBS.

        Then I ambushed Saleh GJ while he was getting to record his Negarit video series and tried to reflect what people talk about in casual get-togethers: World Cup (we all know how little he cares about that), Eid traditions in Eritrea, “Muslim attire”, quizzed him on the streets of Keren (Town Motto: Not Just Prison and Ad Siddi, We Have Enda Swa Too), names of birds, slogans, chants, poetry, the dictionary definition of chrmram, and why he doesn’t broadcast in Tigre when he is so fluent at it.

        (Both these videos are in the Awate Front page)

        Then I wrote a gazillion posts at Facebook about the Ambassador Andeberhan interview. So, what I am saying is, I think I am tired of myself. And when I am, I assume others are too:)

        saay

        • Now inc.

          SAAY,
          I don’t know why Andebirhan’s ‘all the disputed areas are Eritreans’ fascinates you. Isn’t that what pfdj and every Eritrean have been saying for the last 20 years? What new information or claim is there in Andebirhan’s statements?

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Saay, I know it can be a little bit boring when someone says a lot about a certain issue within a short period of time. Plus I know that you are doing all these fantastic contributions in between your daily chores, just like everbody. We just hope our compatriots back home are following the discussions, debates and commentaries regarding the new developments for we know the PFDJ regime has not uttered a single word about the revived peace offer from PM Abiy. I listened to your and Yosief Gebrehiwet’s discussions on sbs radio, thanks to Beyan who alerted us about it, and your emphasis on the fate of the people on both sides of the border during the demarcation was very wise.

        • Hope

          SAAY:
          Well, under normal conditions, you deserve a Special Treat and a Unique Prize,which we hope both Salihs,shall be awarded on due time in future Eritrea.
          I enjoyed ,as you did(nonstop laugh)the Salih vs Salih Conversation, a nostalgia of old but classic Keren life style, which we all kerenites have missed terribly.
          That attire is my fav,which I wear during every Summer Kerenite events….so colorful and glowing Attire.
          Salih Gadi’s style of narrating things in general and about the kerenite life style we enjoyed in particular,was but a Classic One,which reminded me about every street,every joke and every kerenite Language we used to enjoy—walk,live..talk….the Enda Siddi,the Enda Jokko…
          Dammit!
          The last time I visited keren…after my Mom “accused ” me of/for ….,I failed to trace the nostalgia and memoirs of the old keren and its people we know.
          It sucked and was depressing.

  • iSem

    Good morning Abi:
    What is ur understanding of worked like a charm: It does not mean that Ethiopia brimmed with honey and milk and dabbo. It means, the TPLF by becoming little less delusional that they will make it work on their own, by accurately gauging their power, looking for their longevity in power created the EPRDF and it saved Ethiopia from the much predicted chaos and disintegration. And Ethiopia was able to grow some dabbo for some in the last 27 years, But they mistook that as a permanent solution, EP lived beyond its life span
    What did EP bring to Ethiopia? the hegemony of dominant group imposing its will, its culture, its language was gone. I forgot the name of that Ethinic group, now, can u help?
    But for some reason who lost that dream, that dominance in placed they do not belong is hard, still sinking and that is your problem for denying that
    I think, the baloney that this irrelevant ethnic group blaming TPLF that it brought EP, that when I was growing up I did not know what ethnicity I belonged, is a cover and expression of anger for losing the power, the dominance, the imposition of their language. Any person worse his salt knows that Ethiopia has always been ethnically persecuting 70 percent of its population.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam isem
      2 simple facts, 1, even though tplf tried hard to stop it, mharic is growing and spoken by almost all ethiopia ever than before.
      2,no matter tplf and it’s media told u, amara(muslim and Christian) culture almost become ethiopian culture and that is the reality on the ground.
      3, tigraigna used to be spoken freely in addis when eritrea was part of ethiopia but now it is useless outside of tigrai and scary to speak in ethiopia.
      That is the fact on the ground, u can take it or leave it.

      • iSem

        TA:
        please do not lecture on stuff I know well and lived under the hegemony
        What was the medium of instruction in Eri after th federation was destroyed? and what was the medium of in ethiopia?
        whose villages were burned by HS and Mengitu?
        Ya no one stopped you if you spoke Tig, but
        I do not remember someone stopping Amharic, Amharic was spoken even in Sahel, with radio programs and unfettered music listening
        Amharic had unfair advantage so there is no surprise that it still enjoys considerable dominance but it was after 1991 every ethnic group was allowed to proudly speak its language without fear, and even ask for interpreter in the addis airport. Ethiopia was also liberated in 1991
        U are right facts are on the gorund and they stare us but takes integrity to utter them

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam isem
          Now u mixed up amara culture and language with dictatorial govs.
          Still am talking about the ordinary people and reality on the ground,

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, I was watching this clip about to share and this Tigryan guy is the only person who knows how to approach and deal with Eritrea and Eritreans. he understands force, hostilities and harassment won’t and don’t work with Eritrea and Eritreans. One thing about this border thing is, it defines Eritrea as tough and never bends what ever the situation is. for 20 years, the Ethiopians tried everything in the book to bring Eritrea to her knee to no avail. Now this Ethiopian guy seems to understand that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ehXoqLJmVM

    • Mez

      Hi Nitricc,

      PM-AAA is in Mogadishu.

      Any suggestion why

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Abi,

    Let me extend what I said further. A lot of Eritrean, in fact I said majority of Eritreans have a soft heart for Ethiopia.

    Berhe

  • iSem

    Hope:
    Listen I want peace for us, for Eritreans that is
    But do not be deluded that PFDJ surgically removed TPLF, TPLF is weak now because they failed to help evolve from the coaltion they created. I am on record saying that the ethnic coaltion they created was brilliant in answering the timely call and it worked like a charm for 20 odd years. And TPL impending dissolution is not a failure , it is a triumph.
    I hope PFDJ dissolves with what ever means and there is no credit to go for PFDJ until they do the right thing, I do not give credit for digging a hole in the ground

    • Hope

      iSem:

      U finally confessed your nefahito-ness by saying:

      “Listen I want peace for us, for Eritreans”!
      Good job,iSem -finally, coming back to your senses. Giving credit when it is due.
      Even though I take this as a positive development form isem,the war-mongerer, you were the one advocating for the Invasion of Eritrea by the lost soul and the already surgically removed TPLF.,where the only left over thing is just an Adjuvant Chemotherapy to cleanup the remaining cancer cells/

    • Hope

      iSem;
      Please read this and tell me your position or stand if u really care about Eritrea and Eritreans.
      These are what your Dedebitawian TPLF Lost souls have done to us:
      The tip of the iceberg.
      “TPLF has done many conspiracies before and after the war not to help the normalization process before 16 years and 20 years in fact. Even at this real moment pushing Tigrayans to demonstrate against the full acceptance of the ruling against the federal government’s declaration.

      – drawing a new official map of their own not based on any treaty, printed on their new Birr note as well.
      – brought new settlers to Badme other occupied territories, while they were legally told and advised not to do so.
      – Deported more Than 85,000 Eritrean civilians including mothers children handicapped people. They confiscated their property and bank accounts and brutally dismissed innocent civilians, because of no reason other than their color of eyes or origin country.
      – Conspired and fabricated stories to sabotage, isolate, contain and put sanctions on Eritrea.
      – Tortured and abused Eritreans in Ethiopian prisons.
      – propaganda of hate and bravado, with drums of war and threat…..
      -refusing to implement the EEBC
      -declaring War NO Policy
      -setting up filthy camps to drain our Youth
      -lobbying against the EU funds to Eritrea
      -abusing our ID so as to resettle to top and selected western Countries(Canada,the USA, Switzerlandand and, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand and and Australia etc…its own tegaru in the name of Eri Refugees
      -Human Trafficking and smuggling’-abusing our nacfs(28 Bullion Ncaf,whichtheylost thanks to the PFDJ smartness
      At the end of all there is nothing precious than peace but we should be vigilant and focused, ready for every possible national interest to gain…..and to put the momentum on our side.”
      An Eritrean Citizen’s /Temesghen’s Lamentation–TN

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    Does anyone on this forum have any insight into how the current Badme issue now MAY be driven by the UAE/Saudi need to use Assab as the primary logistical base for the Yemen war?

    Is it too much reaching?

    One theory goes they (UAE/Saudi) want to use Eritrean troops and that Isayyas is willing, but practically speaking he needs the border issue sewn up so he can move the troops from the Ethio border to Yemen. To be fair, this same rationalization would also work for Ethiopian troops if the Ethio side is also inclined.

    To preserve his ego he would require the Ethiopian side to make a concession… something sufficiently public that he can take as victory. And then quickly resolve the issue to close the chapter and move on.

    He would need to declare a victory, and more importantly UAE/Saudis would want him to preserve maximum legitimacy and control if he is expected to “rapidly” switch the troops from doing border protection to being an expeditionary force in Yemen. This plan is no good if a resolution of the border issue is quickly followed by social and political chaos in Asmara.

    That could possibly explain the silence from wedi-Afom. If this plan is real, he gets maximum impact by being able to claim prophet status.

    So far, nothing we have seen from the Abiy side could be considered strong evidence against this theory. The Ethio government needs the money – if cash is put on the table for the deal. The USD 1Bln today was nice – but nobody gives out that kind of money just gratis. And the PM that promised to visit Hawassa to calm inter-communal fighting has not said anything in public that the Irob activists can take as comforting.

    Would appreciate if anyone has insight.

    Amde

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam A.mde
      Regardless of the motivation, in my opinion Eritrea cannot make a decision independent of the coalition that it is now part of. The UAE base near Assab does not look like a short term base. Whether Eritrea makes a move towards peace or war, the interest of the coalition has to be taken in to account. The UAE base in Yemen is another serious base. It has Sudanese soldiers, highly trained and disciplined as part of its regular army. More in line with what you are mentioning is the story I hear of the new foot soldiers it is getting from Darfur. It has airplanes flying directly there and recruiting young men in the thousands. The family get good pay and I guess Al Beshir gets a solution for his internal problems. So your theory is not far fetched.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Amde,

      If the Saudi coalition are not able to win now, I don’t think they have any chance to do so.

      Ethiopia clearly wants to stay out of the Yemen conflict is a good decision. Because of Saudi and UAE, close ties with Sisi government, Ethiopia probably would like them to be off the Red Sea the sooner the better.

      BBC had a story why Ethiopia wants to build its marine forces now, because it feels, it has no say in Djibouti because all the big forces (US, France and China) are there and it’s a threat to its long term plan.

      Isayas Afeworki for all the crazy things he does to Eritreans, his policy towards Ethiopia was always with caution and he does have a very SOFT spot.

      If anything (for Ethiopian interests) he would kick out the Arab countries, if it comes to that.

      Berhe

      • Amde

        Selam Berhe,

        “Isayas Afeworki for all the crazy things he does to Eritreans, his policy towards Ethiopia was always with caution and he does have a very SOFT spot.

        If anything (for Ethiopian interests) he would kick out the Arab countries, if it comes to that.”

        Really?

        I am not being sarcastic.. I honestly cannot understand/comprehend that. I am sure you have good reasons for saying that but you will have to convince me.

        So you don’t think the coalition needs Eritrean boots. Interesting. I am still looking for a reason why PM AA made this an agenda item now and this one made some sense.

        Amde

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Amde,

          I am not saying Isayas Afeworki will not sacrifice Eritrean people lives for his benefits. If that involves sending troops to UAE, and it’s short term goal is to get paid, he will do it. No questions asked. What I am saying is, if that plan threat the security of Ethiopia, them he will not do it.

          What he was doing in the past 18 years was, fighting the TPLF and he wanted to see them overthrown by what ever means. I don’t think he considers them a group that represent Ethiopia interests but only if their own. So he doesn’t have a problem to see them removed and replaced with other groups that he was helping.

          When it comes to Tigray separation from Ethiopia or any other groups, he opposed it fully.

          He opposed the Ethinic based politics.

          ——-
          As was told by saay and others, he agreed to Eritrean independence reluctantly as he was not able to control the push for independence. He went along and he didn’t do anything that would harm Ethiopian interests. He even said, the boarder is meangless and our interests are beyond that etc.

          The problem happened that, he was compiting with TPLF and for what ever economic intents they had. TPLF / EPLF were in each other way, so TPLF decided to stop / remove him. Now people see this (most Ethiopians) he was robbing Ethiopia and all, but if one makes an accurate calculations, I think Ethiopia was the net beneficiary in the transaction. The amount of money it was paying for port fees, renewal of the port, purchase of refined oil, the road it build etc, when all added up, compared to the few dollars here and there that some Eritreans made.

          He was send as a spy to disrupt the ELF. He did help destroy it with the help of TPLF.

          He rode along the independence movement as so many things changed in Ethiopia (derg) and he had no other choice.

          Every time there was a peace talk intititives he always supported it.

          The East German peace negotiation with derg.

          Working with the derg opposition (shaleqa dawit) to help them topple derg and make some arrangement (not fully independence). Which TPLF opposed and almost cut ties.

          * As a movement, and leader of EPLF, the conduct of war against Ethiopia, its people and public institution was done with the highest care. No civilians, no public institutions, no prisoners of war, no hate propaganda or anything was done. In other words he had no interests to burn the bridge for long term damage. He took extreme care, even when he had good reason to retaliate, like when they Derg army killed civilians in mass or carpet bombed Massawa.

          Even in the last war, Ethiopia bombed Asmara and down the plane. Eritrea retaliated and bombed Mekele and the school children. The pilot was put in jail right away and was removed (that’s what I heard not sure true or not).

          Now if Ethiopia is going along with UAE, SA and in support of their war in Yemen, what you said about the badime thing makes a lot of sense.

          A lot of Ethiopians who knew the story will tell that IA worked really hard to make sure Ethiopia stayed united.

          * This also applied to ELF.
          Berhe

          • Amde

            Selam Berhe,

            You have given me some food for thought. Let me say I remain a skeptic, but seeing comments that challenge assumptions is what is great about hanging out here.

            I am not sure the evidence is there yet (at least for me) of Ethiopia committing to a side on the Yemen war. So far, it appears that UAE offered an opportunity to resolve this, and Abiy is using the opportunity to maximize long term Ethio interests.

            It’s strange Abiy flies out to Somalia the day after the UAE Crown Prince’s visit to Addis. There are rumors the prince will visit Badme (and the Negash mosque). So, Abiy leaves his guest in Ethiopia but flies out to Mogadishu, where the two Somali and Ethio sides talk about deals, among which is about four ports.

            Quite interesting

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            It is interesting how UAE is coming to the rescue of Ethiopian finiancial help, and I think this will suit Ethiopia fine at least in the short term.

            As far as IA goes, if he is convienced that the weyane threat is over and that they have lost power, I think he will have any incentive to hold back, because of Eritrea’s interest.

            I am betting on saay against your stashing bet, that this is a done deal and he will drop the bombshell sometime soon. The silence is probably a reason to gauge the Tigray people reaction to the news and see how they absorb it and what concession they will demand and based on that he will make his decision known.

            And he knowsEthiopia will not invade Eritrea, not because Ethiopia is not capable but it will be a huge risk for it as well as the condemnation it will get and have no justification to do so.

            I don’t think he will have any problems committing 20 thousand solidiers even if the boarder is not demarcated.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            Here is the uae, who unexpectedly comes to ethiopia with 3bn dollars, 2bn for investment and another one bn to be deposited in the ethiopian national bank, to cover ethiopia’s immediate forex needs. What could be the reason?

            If the uae wishes to win ethiopia to her side and wants her to join the coalition against yemen, that would be an unfortunate development, if it is about accepting ethiopia as a country that after all is not a christian island but a secular one, a country with 30-35% of its population muslims and can elect a pm who has a muslim father, that could be the effect of pm Abiy’s charm, and a sign of a good relationship in the future, and if it is entirely an economic enterprise, so much the better. There is also the ethio-qatar relations, and i am not sure if this is another way of saying, here is a better friend for you.
            This small oil rich gulf state seems to be everywhere, and it is difficult to understand what is exactly happening and how much it is ready to push its regional hegemonic plans. Anyway, i think that this money comes at the right time, and it might solve the foreign currency problem at least in the short term.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            A little correction, ethiopia and ethiopian gov is two different thing. Ethiopia never been a Christian island. Never.
            Muslic ethiopians population is about 45-50%. Nobody believe the census that been taken by poltical motivations and aste yohanes and HS sympathizers.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            As you just said PMAA just squeezed USD $ 3,000,000,000,000 from UAE. Guess what is he going to squeeze from IA in their first meeting?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            What could be the reason?
            That is the billion dollar question. We don’t know. Don’t forget the adage that says …..the golden rule is the one with the gold makes the rules.
            I am pretty sure only very few people in high places at UAE really know the answer to your question in full.

            I have no problems when Ethiopia receives loans and aids from China, USA or South Africa, I have a nagging problem when it comes from UAE or SA. As you know, they can switch on a dime at unforeseen events and conditions.
            From where I sit, I already see a potential problem. If we have problems or issues with Egypt, you can take it to the bank, that these loans are the early arsenal to be used against Ethiopia.

            I see we have entered a new uncharted territory and we have to wait and see.
            I hear today that PMAA is in Mogadishu. The word is they are talking about ports. Ports?

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            U have a nagging problem when ethiopia received loans from arab countries. What is that mean problem for u? Or r u playing “think global, act local”?
            For me ethiopia problem means ur kind of mentality if u know what i mean,i honestly believe ur kind of mentality(not personal u) is the reason why ethiopia is poor in the first place.
            Any way u gonna have a lot of problems to come, u better adjust.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Teodros Alem,

            To make it perfectly clear to you, I am done with you. I have nothing to say to you now or in the future.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            I see u got nothing to say, every time i read u and ur tplf , i love artical 39. That is the only way ethiopia can breathe fresh air.

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            What i do not like is their behavior and way of doing business. Djibouti was forced to kick them out, somalia confiscated millions they were carrying around, they invaded the island of socotra in yemen, and in Assab somebody (i think Kbrom) told us it is not easy for an eritrean to move around in the city, and news outlets say that uae keeps a secret prison in assab where yemenis are torchered. You can see that it is an odd fellow that believes in “you can do anything with your money”, and therefore, ethiopia should be extremely careful when she does business with the uae/ksa. She has to see not only the cheese, but also the trap. How much stable friends are the uae and ksa is the nagging question, as you indicated.

            If pm Abiy is in chase of ports, where does that fit with his latest rapprochement with eritrea? This shows that assab is out of his mind. What then is the triggering factor for the latest opening towards eritrea? Ports are the only cards eritrea can put on the table in any negotiations with ethiopia. What else?

            Sometimes, i am forced to say to myself that we should forget the “one people, one love” thing, as eritreans are trying to forget and they are telling us to do the same. Love without reciprocation is simply waste of time, and better not now and not with this generation.

            Last time Nitricc gave us a very interesting link, a lawyer who seems to have written a book about ethio-eritrean relations (i should say that i watched the video in a haphazard way, because it was almost an hour long). Among the many things, on dia’s awol, he says that he has to weigh the cost-benefit of the latest initiative by pm Abiy. When eritreans cross into ethiopia even as they are shot at, what could happen if the border is wide open? Is it possible to say that there may be mass exodus of eritreans to the south, which will put the sovereignty of eritrea in danger? This is one of the things dia is forced to examine for his own sake. What, if he ends up a ruler without his own people, and the 3.5 million shrinks to 2.5 million (mine). One can see logic in many of the things he said.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            After pm AAA accepted to implement the eebc decision with out preconditions, as u can see the demo all over tigray ,all the we r one people, one love turn out to be fake, it was a cover to topple the eri gov and replace the eri independence( tg tigragn).

          • Hope

            Selam Horizon:
            Your analysis albeit a biased and one sided one,at least in my opinion and understanding, might make sense.
            But think also the other way around :
            -YG claimed that opening the borders will make business good and peoples movement will threaten PIA.
            OR
            -What if he declares a Blanket Amnesty and a genuine national reconciliation and implements the Constitution and Eritreans will be FREE at last and roam Asmera, Massawa, Aseb,the Horn of Africa and Ethiopia for business and reclaim their lost opportunities and make Eritrea the Singapore, the Israel, and the Swiss of Africa
            OR
            -As that certain Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie predicted, IA will allow Eritreans to flood Ethiopia and execute the old new TPLF and some Ethiopian Chauvinists have been dreaming to nullify the Eri ID and Independence and get back to the old status quo—One Ethiopia, an alleged IA ‘s long term hidden dream or agenda as some would say?
            let us wait and see.
            Time wil tell.

          • Selam Hope,

            One should blame the italians and the ferenji in general for giving you such a big idea about yourselves. Try to live in the real world, and not in a fantasy land. You walk backwards and yet you say you are running fast forward, your people miss basic things and you people speak of the paradise eritrea will be with the trillion you and you only see in mining, fishery, tourism, etc.

            Before you run, you have to walk, and before you prosper you have to survive. You are still talking of becoming singapore, israel and switzerland, while eritrea is emptying and the country is in a dire situation, and when the regime has not accomplished anything significant in infrastructure and the economy in general, in more than a quarter century, other than building prisons all over the country and the famous mini-dams.

            You are imagining things a lot. Where are the signs for the blanket amnesty, national reconciliation, implementation of the constitution, freedom to travel within and outside the country. You cannot build the future on wish only, when even religious gatherings are surrounded and intimidated by armed soldiers as we speak.

            The biggest force, the center of gravity is in the heartland of ethiopia, and eritreans are going to be sucked into that center of gravity. Therefore, any peace talk and union of any sort is going to scare dia/pfdj, and that is the reason he disappeared, because he knows peace will kill him, not because he will face riots, but much more eritreans will leave him behind and run away in mass, as they are already doing.

            You are afraid that ethiopia will nullify the eri id. No ethiopian really wants eritrea back again. The first union was soar, and the second is going to be fatally poisonous, and therefore, God save ethiopia and eritrea from a second union. You and i should know, eritrea should remain independent from ethiopia, and ethiopia from eritrea. There is toxic blood between them.

            Ethiopia is preparing herself for a future without eritrea despite whatever she may say. The region is going to be a different place in few decades, and ethiopia is working to be at the center of the horn sub-region. You will still be fighting for eri id. to protect your exceptionalism, as a special creed of people, of a superior genetic quality that should not mix with the backward ethiopians or the peoples of the region, while the world is changing in front of your eyes. When you continue to speak of the special eri id day and night, and at the same time your people are forced to vacate the land, and the future existence of eritrea is on a balance, it is sad that you fail to see the conflicting situation and the possible negative outcome.

            Be at peace with yourselves, and you will see that you can be at peace with ethiopia and the whole region, and eritreans will be able to free themselves from the real demons that are haunting them, and their country will extricate herself from stagnation.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam berhe
        Which ethiopia r u talking about?
        The ethiopia that signed strategic partnership with egypt 4 days ago?
        Or the ethiopia that received 3 billion dollars” zeca” from UAE at the day of Eid?
        Or the ethiopia that the pm visited saudi 2 weeks ago, the ethiopia that have excellent relationship with Saudi? Which ethiopia sir r u talking about?

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Berhe Y,

        I just saw what Amde posted. Mine was almost identical including the word “Really”. I changed it a little bit.

        I know I get a push back each time I mentioned that Meles had a soft heart for Eritrea. My statement was based on some actions Meles took, like saying Eth. doesn’t have money for fighter planes and during the war deciding against the Generals to stop the advance. Even prior the 1998 he allowed illegal activities by Eritreans including black market. (nothing to say about his mother)

        Reading you regularly I thought this one sounded a little different. It came from the left field.
        So the question:
        How did PIA exhibit his soft heart towards Ethiopia? In practical terms and not an expression of support for the oppressed Oromos, like M.S does, which is another story.

        Mr. K.H

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam k h
          meles or PIA or any leader for that matter, unless the leader is stupid i don’t think they adjust thier poltical views and policy based on soft or hard heart(emotions, love or hate).
          I think poltical leaders frame thier policy by the perceptual interest of thier constituency and ideology.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear K.H.

          I have replied to Amde, hope that gives an idea of my thinking.

          To be honest the black market etc., that Eritreans were accused of, I think it’s a little bit exaggerated. I understand there was sentiments that come with the loss of Eritrea but I don’t think if all things are put into consideration, that they’ve were way off balance. But honestly, there is nothing Ethiopia stopped from taking targeted measures against those activities. In other words it was not a deal breaker.

          One thing that I would like to add is, for example Assab, it was just in name that was ERITREAN but it was totally Ethiopian. 80% population were Ethiopian, the had schools under Ethiopian ministry of education. All the benefit, what ever amount, the large amount went to Ethiopia.

          What I like Ethiopians to contemplate and ask is, from pure economic terms, what was the cost to replace it?

          Berhe

      • Mez

        Dear Be the Y,

        1) Inherently a leader who didn’t has his his peoples interest at the “heart of his daily activity” can in no way have a good intention and will with his neighbours.
        2) to go forward with the Ethio-Eritrean conflict resolution, PIA has to implement vital reforms in the country first. Otherwise, things go nowhere.

        Thanks

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Mez,

          I am not suggesting that he is the right choice for Ethiopia. Based on his record at least since he become the presidents, he has shown a great care for Ethiopian people compared to Eritrea.

          Even if we look at the war in Badime, he started it thinking to force TPLF to submit but during the conduct of the war, he did all he can not to escalate it, and waited and gave TPLF an ample of time to regroup and come really prepared.

          In other words he did not go for the kill even when he had the upper hand but waited like a seating duck.

          Wuchu have apparently said after the loss of Badime “weyane kindi Temen kello rEsu rEsu nbelo elnayom zeysemuE hiji dEa ms Gebele entay giberu tibluna”.

          Berhe

    • Selam Amde,

      I can not say that i have any information on the topic, and i do not have any specific explanation, nevertheless, i can say that it a big mistake for eritrea to immerse herself to the neck, more than she has already done, in somebody else’s problem. It would be repeating history, having in mind the role eritrean askaris played in somalia, libya and ethiopia in the past.

      If eritrea wants to send, let’s say, 5k soldiers to fight in yemen out of the 300k, no damage is done to the eritrean military, and ethiopia is not going to attack eritrea because 5k are missing. Fifty percent (about 2k) of the young who flee the country every year are military conscripts. This has not changed ethiopia’s attitude towards eritrea. Therefore, eritrea does not need badme, if she wants to join the anti-yemen coalition more vigorously than she has already done.

      Sudan seems to have regretted its involvement due to the hundreds dead and remuneration that pales when compared to what egypt receives from uae/ksa without even participating in the war.

      Do not count on social and political chaos in Asmara for nothing is going to happen. It is going to be business as usual, a celebration for the defeat of the enemy for handing back badme, and a new beginning and cooperation with the newfound military allies and heartfelt friends, uae/ksa. The known knows will give a thousand explanations to rationalize dia/pfdj unwarranted indulgence in to a regional hegemonic game that is much above eritrea’s size, in a region where world powers are stationed, and rich arab states want to test the power of their oil money. This war is going to be a war of attrition for the coalition and they are not going to win a war in somebody else’s land, as the russians and americans before them.

      Selling the local population of badme and its environs for a billion dollars or so, because the ethiopian economy has a down turn, will be a political suicide for pm Abiy. It is equivalent to human trafficking.

      Therefore, it is difficult to say that the news about uae/ksa, badme, and billion dollars could be real. It may be part of the plan to discredit pm Abiy. Time will tell.

    • halafi mengedi

      Amde,

      All what you just said is possible. There is also a simpler but very possible explanation. UAE has leased asseb and berbera. probably the biggest customer is ethiopia.

      hm

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Hope,

    Do you really think you are more patriotic than those you are accusing us day in day out? My friend know yourself before you try to know about others, and then you will start to talk an adult talk. Adults talk about ideas, and children talks about personalities. Tapper your childish talk please, and don’t destruct the adults talk.

  • Hope

    Mod:
    Even as long as i mention the source??
    Apologies!

  • Abrehet Yosief

    Selam Hope,
    Eritreans and Ethiopian citizens presented their claims through their government representatives. We cannot say one side was “biased and engineered by the authorities” without implicating the opposing side of the same thing as well. I wouldn’t accuse victims of lying considering they were present in a war situation and under brief occupation of enemy soldiers. If I am to believe the Eritrean victims, I have no choice but to give the benefit of the doubt to Ethiopian victims as well. I don’t want to write it here, but we all have personal accounts from those serving in EDF. When you consider what is transpiring at present in Eritrea, you can imagine what they are capable of. ክንዲ ብጹሕ ውላድካ ኣይትምሓል. In any case, the claims decision is done just like the boundary decision.
    When the arbitration discussions started, both governments were advised not to opt for a “final and binding” option. In our traditional laws, two opponents are always advised to go with ዕርቂ In such case, the mediators would go back and forth until a solution that is acceptable to both is reached. The other option is what is called “ኩዒትካ ቅበር“. In this case, the mediators make the final decision and there is no “ይግባይ“. Our leaders chose this option and we are here.
    As to the esteemed Awate participants you mentioned, I am not able to keep track of what people stand for and would never call them this or that. It is important to remember that we are all giving our opinions. We are not in a position to make policy. Sometimes, our sentiments about a particular situation could be different from our bigger beliefs.
    Ethiopians are demonstrating and discussing. This is healthy. I hope after much discussion and debating and venting, they will be able to find a way forward.
    Eritreans on the other hand cannot demonstrate. However, they have called in to radio shows and social media from inside Eritrea and Ethiopian refugee camps. They also continue to cross the border, 2000 last month alone. And those outside Eritrea are discussing and debating. Nothing wrong with that. Lets not label each other and lets put our own opinions and ideas forward.

    • Hope

      Selam Ms Abrehet:
      Am not denying the facts u stated,which I have stated more than u did,FYI!

      My focus is on the kemish addey hanquiluni excuses to bloc k the peace process as if blocking it for more 16 yrs is not enough.

      What u lamented aout the Eritrean suffering could have been resolved had the TPLF Janda were /had to comply with the Internanional Law!

      And am challenging you for ignoring that BIGGER PICTURE and focusing only the minor pic or ignoring the major culprit, aka the TPLF, and its drstructive role.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Hope
        You make good points. We are complementing each other. Sometimes we talk about parts of the problem, sometines on the bigger problem. We are not ignoring or minimizing the importance of the different aspects of our problem.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Sis Abrehet,

      You are judicious and brilliant. Stand tall.

  • iSem

    Hope
    you remember me and you shook the virtual hand and agreed as gemtlmen not to lie. You just did.
    I gave credit to PM Abi from the first speech and my comments are open read all my commenets regarding TPLF, If you are still brooding over my comments that there is nothing wrong for getting help from TPLF/Ethio/Woyane to remove PFDJ, I still believe it, it is halal, kosher, mebruk
    You are the one, the nefahito, the Bi Polar to much so that one notable awatista, who is hard to annoy, who does not snap told you, how you live in this conflicted self

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam gere
    People movement, culture and bla bla is dynamic, there is nothing permanent. That is been the history of human beings and it will continue as such.
    In my opinion, the best way for ethiopia and eritrea relationship is to start implementing eebc and move on to other level and at the end of the day the border will be just a border.

  • Dis Donc

    Dejar Georgy,

    “Walks like a Duck, quacks like a duck then you know he is not Eritrean “.
    I wish you can atteste this sentence of yours for me to one of the Ethiopian embassies. Be an alleby for me, please, that I am not one of your type. That’s because I would not want to be a citizen of a country whereby citizenship is doled out by one’s craneal width, lip thickness, or nasal divietum.

    Finally, your uncles (as Al Arabi would say) are yet to match the Ethiopian political process.

  • iSem

    Hi Hope:
    you should be worried by what nefahito iSem says
    Because his predictions are coming true
    iSem never said TPLF are angles, I said that TPLF have accomplished for their people in every measure way, way, more than EPLF and that is in everything; TPLF represses lesse, has not disappeared its founding fathers and journalists and did nt built a monument for an Alabanian writer whose great, great, great, great grand father lived in Adwa.

    TPLF when it comes to the Eri cause they do not care, they are there for the interest of the Tigray, they were founded for that mission.

    If PFDJ accomplishes even a fraction of what TPLF did for its people I will be real nefahito and become PFDJ . But do not think that is easy for PFDJ to do : I want to see Haile Dergue, Sherifo and all G-15 be interviewed, meaning they are alive like Siye is alive. I want to read a book by Bitweded like Gebru Asrat. I want to see MIT (Mai Habar Insititue of Technology) or NIT ( Nefasit Inst of Tech)

    And iSem als said, demarcating the demarcated border is meaningess, it is waste of time, without the durable peace behind it, without the plan for PFDJ what to do next and by next I do not mean building more Dams that generation of Eriteasn will use as mai chelot, I mean will PFDJ demobilize, and implement the const and initiate PRTC (Peace Reconciliation and Truth Commission)
    I have been very consistent on my stand, my arguments are coherent but sometimes my proposal are exterem and you are welcome to refine them and rejoinder them, but I am not holding my b breath for that as people like you and Nitricc do not get it, you for self-serving reasons, maybe that Enda Tehanit in Hagaz and Nitricc due to his endangered brain cells. For Nitricc coming here and exchanging words with people like iSem, MS, Sal, Emma, Ismail AA, Amde, Gadi, Fanti, Hayat, Kbrom, Paoulo and Beyane and Abrhet and Thomas and the and the attention he gets from many others is like winning the mega lottery, for Nitricc the odds of encountering such group is astronomical. He may curse here to show of his thuggish pedigree, but he blesses the day he joined awate.
    Nitricc beat the odds

  • Aron

    Hi all Moslem brothers,
    Happy holiday.
    Aron