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Double Standards: Use of Arabic Vs Tigrinya

Recently a debate on the subject of the Arabic language caught my attention (on facebook presented by an facebook activist who expressed his views on his own behalf and perhaps on behalf of others. He was resolutely seeking a convincing answer to his question, so he hosted more than a person within a short period of time to confront them with the question.

Personally, as one of the stakeholders, I was not satisfied with any of the answers, due to uncertainty / accuracy, because certainty in general means, basing one’s view on a clear evidence. So I thought that I bear a portion of the responsibility to respond to often repeated question.

The answer to the questions:

I would like to say to those who are asking, (why lowlanders/ Muslims in Eritrea prefer Arabic rather than other local languages)? Arabic is one of the main languages in Eritrea, it’s an international language, it has been decided by the Eritrean assembly during theFederation era to be an official language beside Tigrinya. It is a social contract and lingua franca for the other ethnic groups. The citizens of the lowlands were using Arabic language in their commercial deals, various types of contracts, resolving disputes and corresponding with each other. So, it was not supplanted language but rather a choice of their volition. It has created harmony and serenity in the society. On the other hand, none of them used any other written language other than Arabic.

As Arabic is a language of one of the Eritrean ethnic groups (Rashaida), similar to Tigrinya; what prevents the other ethnic groups from choosing Arabic?! On the other hand, what is tempting them to choose Tigrinya instead of Arabic?

It’s illogical  for the other nine groups to use their mother tongues to communicate with each other. It’s not practical, as it generates cultural divergence and hampers communication among the them, while Arabic is highly needed. In addition the cost of preparing and printing school curriculums in nine languages ​​and assigning teachers to all them is prohibitive. Also, it’s difficult to employ nine people in every office in order to provide service to all groups equally.

To avoid this problem, the number of official languages must be reduced to the lowest possible number, and here comes the turn of society in choosing the most appropriate one for them.

The eight ethnic groups chose to relegate their own languages in favor of Arabic. There is no valid justification for any regime to impose upon the ethnic groups’ children to study in their own language, which they voluntarily put as second choice– from their perspective and farsightedness, if  not for excluding them from the job market when only  Tigrinya becomes dominant.

What confirms this is that the regime refused the children from the eight tribes/ethnics to study in Tigrinya language, which means keeping them away from competition in jobs for the benefit of the Tigrinya speakers.

The facebook activist also repeated the saying: (The most advocates of Arabic are Jaberti), and this is not true, because Jaberti may not mind the presence of Arabic, but they are more adhering to the Tigrinya, they only want to have an independent entity of Tigrinya not more, this is what I monitored from my direct follow-up and via social media.

Pushing Arabic language out from the stage is Premeditated, pre-planned strategy of the regime. Because, When the regime came to the issue of naming the ethnic groups, it attributed the group name to their languages, except for the Rashaida ethnic where the regime refrained from mentioning the language: Arabic. Conversely, when the Jaberti demanded to be identified with their own name, their requests was rejected on the pretext that their language is Tigrinya.

Do you see the double standard used by the system to give an advantage to one party over another?!!!

Logical argument:

Since the intention is to clarify and explain out the argument with an argument, the response to the existing question is as follows:

Arabic has been the lingua franca and trade language between these ethnic  groups for centuries (before the Tigrinya connected to them), so they are linked to Arabic in the cultural, social, historical, commercial and religious, spheres.

Also, Arabic is a global language and keeping pace with scientific development, which helps in expanding knowledge and cultural awareness and it provides and easy communication with the people in our region.

As for the argument that Arabic is a language of religion, and that is why the Muslims choose it, firstly, there is no language in the world that is defined as a religious language. Secondly, Arabs are considered a minority within the world Muslim population of which they comprise less than the population of one non-Arab Muslim country: Indonesia. It’s not true to say Arabic is a religious language, because the majority of Islamic countries are not Arabs and do not use Arabic، which means, the reason for choosing Arabic is not dogmatic, but because of the desired benefits as mentioned above.

Thirdly, how about the millions of Arab Christians in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine who are worship in Arabic? Even the Eritrean & Ethiopian Orthodox Church was affiliated with the Coptic Church. And its Autocephalous was recognised by Shenouda III, Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, in 1994–a year after Eritrea gained its independence from Ethiopia. On June 19, 1994, Pope Shenouda III ordained five Eritrean high-ranking clergy as Bishops of the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church in Saint Mark’s Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in Cairo.

Finally, Non-Tigrinya speakers can also claim that the Tigrinya is a (religious) Christian language and does not suit them. So, logically each party should be left to decide in what language it conducts its religious affairs.


Note:
The article is for those who rely on logic in their argument and accept the truth whenever exists, not to those who accept or reject it because of circumstances in their benefits.

I hope that I have delivered a convincing answer to the outstanding question.

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  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Happy 4th everyone!

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    ‘ንታይ ‘ዩ ክበሃል?
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  • Nitricc

    Hi All; this why TPLF thugs want Eritreans to fled to Ethiopia. When the day of judgments comes, they wanted the Eritreans to be used as shield. The equations are clear. Egypt asking for two weeks disengagement; TPLF tweeting that there will be a topic that will change the conversation of GERD; The OMN interview with Hachalu and the events that took place there after only points to the Oromo fanatics, to TPLF thugs and of course the Egypt involvment. Now it turns out to be Eritreans are the killers of Hachalu. I was going to post the THM video but it will be deleted. So the point is there this stupid Tsegaye Ararisa is blaming Eritreans to save the Tigryans. Now Qero is ready to revenge innocent Eritreans.
    ell me what you will do as a self-administered punishment and I will provide you with links hoping you will learn to think before you jump.

    ዶር ፀጋዬ አራርሳን “ሃጫሉን የገደሉት ኤርትራዊያኖች ናቸው” ማለቱን ተከትሎ አዲስ አበባ ያሉ ኤርትራውያን በቄሮዎች ስጋት ገብቷቸዋል፡፡

    የፀጋዬ አራርሳን “ሃጫሉን የገደሉት ኤርትራዊያኖች ናቸው” የሚል ውሸት ተከትሎ፣ አዲስ አበባ ውስጥ የሚኖሩ ኤርትራዊያኖች ላይ ጥቃት ለማድረስ እየተንቀሳቀሰ ያለ የቄሮ እና የህወሓት ቡድን እንዳለ አንዳንድ መረጃዎች ደርሰውናል። በውጭ አገር የምትኖሩ ኤርትራዊያኖች ፀጋዬ በንጡሃን ኤርትራዊያኖች ላይ ያወጀወን የሞት አዋጅ በመቃወም ፀጋዬን ለፍርድ ታቀርቡት ዘንድ ይሁን እንላለን።

    • Sultan M.G.

      Gen Nittric:
      Hope it is just an Advisory Warning!
      But no surprise if the Querro’s Wing of Angry Mob/Gang slaughters Eritreans indiscriminately ,the main provocative message of the TMH to the Querro God forbid,as they are unpredictable!
      I heard tgat,that “ Good Doctor” resides in Washington, DC area.

  • Nitricc

    I have a question! We are…
    1. We act as if we know everything
    2. WE love the blame game
    3. We live by this mantra“If I can’t have it, neither can you”
    4. We freak out when other people are successful
    5. We are too proud of themselves
    6. We are blind when it comes to their negative traits
    7. We treat everyone as competitors
    8. We spend our time on gossip than improving their own lives
    9. We panic when their comrades are happy and improving.
    10. We are full of positivity for themselves but full of negativity for others
    11. You can’t argue with us because we act like we are the most knowledgeable people in the world.
    12. We spend most of our time talking about people rather than discussing ideas and solutions
    who are we? They are people some where in Ethiopia. Can you guess?

    • Nitricc

      Hi All; for the above problem there are key solutions. The dead Ormiya artist is the turning point of the event. he is like Gorge floyed to the black Americas, Huchale is the same to the freedom of Ethiopia and Ethiopians from the stupid Weyane.
      here is the nest step. I just saw PMAA with military gear, it means

      Politically,
      1) Designate the TPLF as a terrorist organization;
      2) Issue arrest warrants against its leaders;
      Economically
      3) Impose total blockade on Tigray. Make sure not a litter of fuel enter Tigray;
      4) Close Tigrayan airspace;
      Financially
      5) Freeze all budgetary allocation to Tigray;
      6) Freeze all TPLF personal and organizational assets;
      7) Freeze all Banking activities;
      Information,
      8) Cut telephone, internet and satellite connection to Tigray

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Nitricc,
        This is the most sophisticated comment I read for years. Very insightful. You are right, it all depends on the attire a colonel wears. I think he also has a camouflaged underwear. Scary indeed.

        • Hashela

          Selam Saleh

          I think the time has come that somebody drops a “ለትተሪና” under you blanket😂

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            I know the loterina incident but I didn’t observe the event. —that is if we are on the same page on that story. But I do not understand your message. How could a loterina be dropped under my blanket? What is the “werq”?

            I am sorry but I don’t remember you explanation, short memory. Please explain in layman language with no sophisticated. 🙂

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            Listening to your experience with snakes in Negarit, I couldn’t suppress my laugh.

            It also reminded me that I owe you an explanation for the “ለተሪና” (the snake with a head on its tail) observation you made in Meda.

            It is called mimicry. It is a defense and survival mechanism of some snakes that are in most cases harmless. For an understandable reason, a poisonous snake is rarely attacked from the front. Cleverly, some harmless snake species exploit the fear and cautiousness of snake predators by developing a tale that looks like a snake head.

          • Nitricc

            (the snake with a head on its tail) observation you made in Meda.

            Hey Hashela, I thought the story was in Thailand or Filipins. I think, i follow SJ like an Eagles on a mission :- )

          • Hashela

            Nitricc

            Yes, you do follow and challenge Saleh. Sometimes, you put him defensive position where he threatens you with his nuclear arsenal. I enjoy and learn from the little skirmishes you guys occasionally have.
            Do me a favor, please don’t involve religion in your arguments and attacks.

          • Nitricc

            Do me a favor, please resist to involve religion in your arguments and attacks.

            Hey Hashela; i am the last person to talk about religion. I don’t even believe in toothless religion but some times you got call a spade for what it is, a spade. I have no idea why you elevated a simple comment on to attacks is beyond me. I am simply expressing my views. And i can tell you that this my personal view and the way i see it. They could have led the movement and voice their rejection of the TPLF evil actions and plans , instead their are emboldening The thugs with their absolute silence and i reject that. Again this is my take not an attack. if i am wrong give me the evidence and i will stand corrected. If i was a religious’ thug, what would i fight in defending the Low-landers and the Muslim Eritreans? When the Tigryan declare that Eritrea is their own and planning to make it their original land of Tigray and to issue only a courtesy citizenship to the other minorities is the last strew for me. if you are saying hush it is not your fight, then, that is something i consider. However, i wasn’t attacking anyone, simply expressing my take.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Gen:
            There is a reason as to why most people love you here including the unsuspected ones like Kim Hanna!
            You are well informed and well versed on your up-to-date and fresh analysis and arguments!
            My only feedback:
            -Avoid generalization( refer to my response to you (In Ref to Eri Muslims)
            -Tone down your Rhetoric/language and avoid few adjectives you use unnecessarily
            -Proof-read your comment before u hit the submit button(I have learned to do so—I used to mess up on few of my dragon-based dictations by trusting what it writes down until the HIM /Medical Records Dept alerted me)!
            Note:
            When criticizing big shots and figures here, use diplomatic language like” With all due respect , Sir, my intention is to constructively criticize you and give you a constructive feedback, not to accuse you or challenge you”!
            Otherwise,if u keep spitting up the truth in a “ wrong way”, you will suffer what some of us gone through/suffered!
            NB:
            Your constructive criticism of the website and its Editors in ref to “NOT considering the TPLF, its Digital WeyAne Wing as well as its Cadres and their toxic,divisive,EVIL agenda and propaganda against Eritrea and Eritreans ,as The Real and Dangerous enemies of Eritrea and Eritreans and NOT fighting them as such,is but being part of them , to say the least, in my naive opinion!
            “Staying indifferent and silent while a crime is being committed is but COMPLICIT”!
            Courtesy of the Minneapolis Chief of the Police
            I was BANNED for expressing so!

          • Abi

            Hello King Sultan
            I hope you practice some of the advices you dispense generously.

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh Hashela,
            I wish you told me that before I went to the field. Maybe I would have had some courage. Incidentally, I forgot the name of the village across from Hashela, is it digge? There is a small mosque there. I also found a black snake there when we walked to get some rest. Never went into that place again. Moving at night in Hashela, where I had a lovely family who almost adopted me, it was a feat. AlwYs looking where I step. I still walk with my eyes fixed to the ground 🙂

            I forgot the connection I made between lotterina and snakes. The mendelY:-). Thank you.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Nitricc
        forced independence of tigrai will solve all the problems once and for all.
        i don’t know how 3A(federal gov) gov can declared tigrai is no more part of ethiopia or tigrai is independent sovereign country but the rest of 8 kilils and 2 city administration can dissolve the Federation and sign a new contract(new constitution) without tigrai and forum a new ethiopia again. that way ethiopia can avoid tigrai and all the problems(except border issues)that comes with tigrai.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Gen Nittric:
        Did you CC to Dr AAA this?
        Unfortunately, things might be heading towards what you listed and suggested!

    • Abi

      Hello General
      I think you forgot that the people you are referring have already formed their own country since 1991. They are now Eritreans.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Good one, Mesafint Abi!
        You are the master of sarcasm at Awate forum.
        Now be serious, the sole-cell 55 years old baby was not talking about Eritrea.
        My answer to his question would be Gonder? Be easy on me now, before I short my ckt.

        • Abi

          MM
          Why do you assume Hope represents every Gondere?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Are you getting old? It was not Hopeless [if I may borrow from Simon], but was not Hopeless claiming he had a MD from Gonder before he turned to EMT in Ohio or so? 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            Actually Hope told us he was not a medical student at Gonder. I don’t know what he was doing at Gonder.

            He presented his credentials from some kind of clinic in Ohio. I told him that Lab tests and X-ray don’t qualify as educational credentials.

            I’m definitely getting old. You got this part right!
            እናንተን ማስተማር አስረጀኝ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            I have told you before but again, you could be a great comedian.
            “እናንተን ማስተማር አስረጀኝ”
            I am thinking of Gofundme, to compensate you.

          • Abi

            MM
            የቀንየለይ

  • MebrahtuLight

    Hi everyone,

    This is dedicated to Ismail, who used Arabic’s very negligible history in Eritrea to legitimize its illegitimate sectarian position in Eritrea today.

    Ismail, are you aware that up to the 4th century AD, most inscriptions found in Eritrea were made in Greek? How can this be you say?

    Well, the majority of Eritreans spoke Ge’ez/Proto-Tigrinya/Proto-Tigre at home and for external purposes, the ELITES/rulers spoke Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the greater Eastern Mediterranean.

    Does this mean Eritrea today must speak Greek because of Greek’s dominant role in the lives of the elites of ancient Eritreans? Absolutely Not.

    Even English, as dominant and as advanced as it is, is only valuable to rational Eritreans because of its lingua franca status. If the lingua franca is replaced by Mandarin, then guess what? I and rational Eritreans will advocate for Mandarian to be the National Language of Eritreans.

    The point is, common sense Eritreans like me are looking for what gives Eritreans access to the global market with the smallest effort necessary. In the 3rd century AD, it was Greek. Today It is English. 100 years from now, it could be Mandarin or something entirely different. The point is: rational Eritreans are not fixated with English the way you are fixated with Arabic. We are fixated on giving Eritreans the biggest advantage for the smallest effort possible.

  • David Samson

    According to BBC:

    “Hachalu Hundessa: Deadly protests erupt after Ethiopian singer killed”

    • Sultan M.G.

      Dave:
      It is beyond that, a scary one!
      But u sound EXCITED!
      The TPLF gang has been having series of secured and secret meeting with serious preparation for any eventuality including a “ War” inside Tigrai and in the main center of Ethiopia .

      • David Samson

        Hope,
        I do not know what makes you think I am overjoyed with this sad news. I was browsing the site and came across the tragic news; it was posted 4 hours earlier. I thought the Ethios might not aware of the news, so decided to alert them. I do not poke in my dose everywhere. I rarely comment on Ethiopia’s politics as my own plate is full all the time. Do you think that if my next-door flat has a fire, my house would be safe?

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I have this question I was keeping it to my self out fear the Eritrean Muslims will comedown at me but, let me find the courage and ask the question that bothered me for long. Why is it the majority, 99.9 Eritrean Muslims afraid, love, protect and adore the genetically defective the weyane thugs? Why? I am very serious. You would expect the Eritrean Muslims to hate and resent the TPLF thugs because what TPLF did them back in the 80’s but for unknown freaking reason, they love the filthy weyane, whay? They scared to death to even criticize the TPLF. Even when I criticized the TPLF thugs, the Eritrean Muslims come to defend the thugs. I don’t get it? Please someone explain to me.it is a mystery for me, Please!!!!

  • Samuel

    Hello Everyone,
    A prominent Oromo singer Hachalu Hundessa is shot dead in Addis Ababa. Its very sad situation. RIP

    Addis Ababa and near by cities are now very tense, please make sure anyone around Addis Ababa and its surrounding to take extra cautious. The security of the country is at its worst situation, please do your best to move around.

    The situation of the country is getting worst and worst. In the last two years many high-ranking officials has been killed but the killers are nowhere to be found, even if some of the killers are caught however families are not getting justice.

    Thanks,

    • Nitricc

      No one will kill the young Oromo artist but your backward TPLF thug. Everyone knows. It is well known your Thugs and OLF-Shene are in bed and this was done to entice populace revolt. However; Ethiopians are aware and they won’t fall for evil act of your evil weyane.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Nitricc,

        Very sad! RIP.

        May God rest your soul in heaven!!! Condolences to his friends and relatives…

        How do you know? Police are investigating..

        KS,,

        • Brhan

          Hello K S
          Nitricc won’t stop depicting TPLF as Satan. Even if we hear that a cat is lost in Ethiopia, he will blame TPLF. I think his grievances with TPLF has also personal side: May be he was deportee. I can sympathize with him but one has to control his personal feeling at home before coming to say in a public forum.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brhan.

            Yes Brhan, He is like that I know him since long back..But now this is a tragic, why is he blaming TPLF at this very early stage? Even if he hates personal problem, humanity is very important…

            I only reply to him once in blue moon..

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            I only reply to him once in blue moon

            Hey KS, you don’t have to and please don’t reply. just to appease one of your , you don’t have to say things that are not nice. I don’t give a flying F if replay and or not. I understand you got to stick with your kind, I get it.

          • Nitricc

            : May be he was deportee

            First of all because you lack the basic understanding of your TPLF, don’t assume and judge people out of your ass. The only deportee is you from Eritrea. Why can’t you go Eritrea instead of going Mekelle? I hate stupid people. If you have a little thinking cell, this the work of your beloved filthy weyane. This Artist has spoken negatively about Minilk few days back and there were many Amara upset with what he had to say. And your beloved weyane though this will be a good time to stire some conflict between Oromo and Amara and took action. if you don’t believe that open your stupid mind and read what the owner of Awramba times has tweeted. Of course, you can’t put it two and two together. I dislike stupid people. buzz off. you evil weyane.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Brhan:
            So you telling Gen Nittric and other Eritreans that they should not express their legit resentment against/for the unforgivable crime committed against them by same criminal?
            I regret to say: “ I wish you experienced that torture when a young Post-partum Mom along with a-90-years old Great grandpa were chased out through the Denkalia desert with 125 degree Farhenait(45 Degree Centigrade)on foot leaving her infant behind!
            Are you really an Eritrean, if I may ask?
            Sir, it is only fair to zip your big mouth about such sensitive cases!
            In Birhan’s world , Nitric’s simple and legit verbal expression of his bitterness about the unmatchable crimes by the TPLF and its surrogates/supporters is a big offense!
            Kudos to you!

          • Brhan

            Hello Sultan:
            Be objective than subjective because it is productive. Then we can discuss.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Birhan:
            In Birhan’s world, telling the objective truth is considered as being subjective! Telling Nittric “May be he was a deportee the reason why he is mad at the Criminal Gang” is beyond subjective mantra!
            If u were to tell me that to my face, I know what I could have said and done to you…”!

          • Brhan

            Sultan:
            I think you agree with me that being objective means not to be a selective reader, but a comprehensive reader. I also believe that you agree with me that selectivity makes someone to take things out of context. So, re-read it.

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG; that what they are, I have always questioned why Brhan was so scared to death to say anything about the TPLF thugs. He always kisses their filthy behand. Then I come to find out that he was a Muslim. For the reason I have failed to understand most Eritrean Muslims tend to kiss the filthy TPLF stinky behand. The question is why are they, the majority Eritrean Muslims are terrified, petrified and to the point of shiiiiting in the parts when it comes to call out the TPLF thugs? I need an answer!!! I understand the stupid and sell outs of wanna be Eritreans when they kiss and show their affection to the TPLF thugs because they are Tigrayns somewhere in blood line. I can name you names of names but they to stupid for me to mention their names. Now, the creature by the name of Brhan thinks I am deported from Ethiopia. Look how stupid he is. TPLF thugs weren’t deporting Eritreans to the USA. So, how could I be deportee and yet, I have never even been in Eritrea? Do you know why he said that, you guessed it, to appease some TPLF thug supporters. The irony is, as the real Eritrean Christians fighting the TPLF thugs and their agenda of Greater Tigray, Agazian and all ill planed misery against our Muslim Eritreans, the majority of the Eritrean Muslims wanted, supported and even kissing TPLF’s stinky behand. I need an explanation. Why is it, the majority of the Eritrean Muslims fear and scared TPLF criminals. I used to think that because TPLF hates PIA i.e. the Eritrean Muslims must support who ever hates PIA but that is not the case. There is something……………………. I don’t know what.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            I never believed that people can have a one-cell brain (corrected, sole cell). But now I am scratching my head.

            1- How many Muslims do you know? If you can their percentage of the total.

            2- you might not know it but you are sounding like a typical Tigray-Tigringni. That is provided you know enough outside the pfdj diaspora propaganda

            3- it’s better to refrain from trying to bite a political kulaaso bigger that you mouth.

            Cheers

          • Nitricc

            1- How many Muslims do you know? If you do, can you calculate their percentage of the total. That will give you a GPS on your knowledge about Eritrea

            Greetings SJ; I am just grateful that you didn’t call me ” deportee” Now, my friend, let me ask you one question and then I will procced with rest of your take. You asked me how many Muslims do I know?
            Well, not even one who i know in a real life, however; participating on this forum for a long time, i feel like i know many of them and i have earned some kind of affinity with Muslim Eritrean brothers. For instance, I have never personally met you in person but I feel like I known you. Now, let me go back to my question. As SJ the owner and editor of this web-site, have you ever written a single article opposing the TPLF thugs? This is a challenge! True, you have written entirely about the crimes of King Haile Silase, you have exposed the crimes of the Derg but i have never read or witnessed one single article exposing the crimes of TPLF thugs, why is that? If there is, you owe it to your readers to present the facts. if not, i rest my case and I will procced to respond to the rest of your take. The only article you ever written was your interview with dead midget Zenawi and you started praising the dead midget and concluding dehumanizing the Eritrean government. That is it, if there is please present your case. I Waite for your response respectfully and I hope you see where I am coming from and my point.
            Thank you.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            If you are expecting hyperbole and childish criticism, I am afraid I am not a child. My beef is with your demigod and that is what I do. But if you want serious criticism with facts I know first hand there are a few. But before I go there, tell me what you will do if you lose? I will not ask you to hang yourself, but promise to grow up and I will yield. On the interview, don’t put in your mouth anything you cannot chew.

            NB: you admitted you know no Muslim in real life, let alone In Eritrea because you know the country as a tourist who has never been to a destination. Learn to be humble.

            So, how is that you psycho-analyze Muslims when all you know is a handful of Muslims in this forum? Here is a lesson. To talk about a people you need a sample that you have studied. If you know ten Muslims here, what % of Muslims are they: 10/2000000x 100. That will give you the %age. Ask your boss or any 8th grader if it is possible to make any conclusion about Muslims. Your likes have crossed all lines of decency and you want to appear more patriotic than half the population of Eritrea! How convincing did you find the Agazian hallucination?

          • Nitricc

            ell me what you will do as a self-administered punishment and I will provide you with links hoping you will learn to think before you jump.

            Hey SJ: this a cornered lawyer talk. Are you a lawyer by profession?
            Anyway, let me punish that is self-administered, the ultimate one, i will leave awate forum for life. I don’t if you remember that you had an interview with SPS or something, it was Australian radio show and I confronted why you failed to mention about Eritrean deportee and your answer was, ” don’t expect me to do your childish arguments” that was your own words. Anyway, i am ready to pay the ultimate price, you know what it means this forum to me, however i got to stand for what i believe.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            I am tired of being book-keeper for every reader. I have written tons of material and if anyone is interested in my positions, it is there. Go search for it, but don’t expect me to act as a google assistant for everyone. You want me to remember what I said in an interview and our discourse then? I need time to go through it and I do not have the time to do the searching for you. Here, I am a lawyer, present your case on your own. Now, how is my reply two days ago “don’t expect me to do your childish arguments” tied to your comments of the past? Still, I do not do childish arguments and I also do not do a million branching out as if I am a sycamore tree. My advice, stope your tired logic of parroting Weyane in every sentence. Your bosses know them more than. anyone else. They have been through dozens of alliances and fights and I will never get into that because it’s not a national issue but an inter-party elite squabble that never ends. And I don’t think you understand that at all. Go ahead and do your fight with the now-allies-now-enemies, the Weyane. Don’t try to pull me into it. It’s not my fight but the nightmare of all the region. A stupid quarrel on who will be in control of the region: TPLF or PFDJ! You think that is my war? Not at all, at least in the intellectual realm.

            Sorry, but on a second thought, I realized I will face the risk of losing some brain cells if I continued engaging in your partisan centered diatribe. I already killed a few brain cells, let me preserve what is left. Try to get out of your partisan cheering predisposition and realize the PFDJ doesn’t dictate convictions on free-thinking Eritreans. And try to learn the situation of Eritrea from different perspectives, not a narrow biased perspective. Or simply parroting PFDJ views. And I do not want you to leave this forum. First, forumers will miss your insightful views and wisdom. Second, you are a yardstick of the state of mind of the PFDJ blind supporter; we need you to measure its temperature. Adios

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሳልሕ ኢሎምኻስ ክትረግም!
            ሓንቲ ብሓንታ የዐርያ ዘይትሰርሕ ሴል ክትቃበጽ ደሊኻያ? ከተንቁሮ? የድሕን!
            ዓቕሚ ናቱ ዝተበሃሎ ምድጋም ጥራይ ‘ዩ።
            ሕጂ: ይቕሬታ ምሕታት ከድልየካ ‘ዩ።

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Gen Gen Nittric!
            I could have gone wild by spitting up my gut feeling …. to add into what u said but…. out of courtesy and for the sake Reconciliation, I have decided let things go..

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG! my thing is that TPLF thugs never did me wrong and i don’t even know any TPLF thugs but I know their intention for Eritrea and the people of Eritrea. The evil intention is clear and present. Divide Eritrea in to Kebesa and low-landers, unite High-landers with the rest of Tigray who speak Tigrigna and marginalize the low-landers as the second class of citizens. I reject that with every bone of my body and i pick up all out fight with weyane-Digitals and the corrupted TPLF elders. The people of low-landers has suffered and paid dearly for the fight of to free Eritrea and they don’t deserve what is planned by the inferior Tigrayns and their sell out Eritreans. While we are fighting for this noble Couse, it is heart breaking the action of the majority of Eritrean Muslims. anyway; if that is they want and wanted to kiss the corrupted behind of the TPLF thugs then go ahead it is your business , just don’t fool us. that is all I am saying.

          • A.Osman

            Selam M.G.

            Anfiso dea……AratiTka inte Dekeska
            Reconciliation nay qeleAlem kaykown…really it aint good for us all.

            When the war was triggered between Weyane and PFDJ, most people in Eritrea and even Ethiopia did not even understand it. It used to be reported as a war between two cousins at the time. Both people paid dearly and after much propaganda to hate, we now witness a twist to that saga….an intense love affair with an attempt to blame Muslims.

            Don’t worry, each time a loose Muslim does something in the West, some kind of statement to state his action does not represent us is expected by some quarters. After some time, you reach a point and say dibelu yebelu. It seems in Eritrea it is on another level, loyalty is constantly questioned…tell me who is the insecure, the questioner or the questioned?

            Now go on theorise, why we love Weyane? It is a good exercise, it will remove that tinted glass that you wear and will give you a better understanding your compatriots.

            As for Nitricc, simbadena qedem atfiEwo iyu…nothing shell shocks me from his views. His knowledge on Eritrea, more so on Ethiopia can be microscopic on some issues and his blind spots are special too. With his battle hardened insensitivity….you get the upgraded Gen Nitricc.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ብርሃን ነብሲ:
            ንትሪክ ሓደ መኻን ህዋስ [ሴል] ዝውንን: ምኒስትሪ ሕርሻ ዘይፈልጦ እንስሳ ‘ዩ።
            ዓራትካ ኣንጺፍካ ዶ ኢልካ ሕተቶ። ካብኡ ንላዕሊ ግን ‘ታ ሓንቲ ህዋስ ከይትቕትለሉ።
            ‘ንታይ ገበረካ?
            ሕልናን ልቦናን ክዕደል ከሎ መስርዕ ናቱ ኣብ መወዳእታ ኔሩ። ኣይተዓደለን።

          • Milkyas Zekarias

            “Selam Mehandis , “ንትሪክ ሓደ መኻን ህዋስ ዝውንን ምኒስትሪ ሕርሻ ዘይፈልጦ እንስሳ ‘ዩ” i admit that i’m not in your league when it comes to education and profession. But i will stand with Nittric when it comes to defending Eritrea.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Milkyas,
            First, I would like to say good to see you again online, after so many years. I used to see your articles, I believe it was at Assenna.
            Now, let’s go back to your comment here and you are in sync with Nitricc. Nothing wrong with that but I have few questions:
            1. Nitricc was born and raised in Gojam. Nothing is wrong with that.
            2. Nitricc is a low rank US solder. Again, Nothing is wrong with that.
            3, Nitricc openly admitted for so many hundreds who sunk in the Mediterranean Sea was their own fault.
            4. Nitricc is super supportive to the HGDF
            5. Nitricc believes the family like mine who lost more than 50% of our immediate family and we couldn’t live under hgdf and left the country to the gangs are Traitors
            6. Nitricc believe on AAA and Isayas are on the right track while nothing changed in Eritrea
            7. Nitricc believes the hgdf mafia gangs who put children, old people in prison, and others is protecting the country
            8. Nitricc believes the hgdf gangs who openly said, in public, border issue is not our priority, we are one people with Ethiopia, ኣይከሰርናን, etc. and so many items to count.
            Are you telling me Nitricc is right?
            You tell me.

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            I think you have someone else in mind as in Milkias Mihrete-Ab instead.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            You are correct, I was mistaken for Milkias Mihreteab. Thanks for the correction.

          • Brhan

            መሃንድስ – ምዕባለ
            ንትሪክ እንታይ ገበረ
            ንዑዑ ኣጆኻ ዝብሉ እንዶ ጥረ
            ናዓ ማዕብል
            ካብ ንብል
            ንደሚቕ ኮኸብ ሰላም ገጽካ ኣብል
            ካብ ንብል
            ንብርሃን ኣብል
            ካብ ንብል
            ኣሕሊፉ ዕድል ድሕሪ ዕድል
            ንታሕቲ ገጾም እንተንቆልቆሉ
            ንላዕሊ ገጽኩም ጥራይ በሉ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላም ብርሃን

            ኤረትራ ርኢዋ ዘይፍለጥ
            ክጀሃረልና ከሎ ከም ፈሊጥ

            ሕጂ ኣገልጋሊ ናይ ካልእ ሃገር
            ከም ኤረትርዊ መሲሉ ክጀሃር

            ዓግበ ንብሎ
            ነዚ ተፈጥሮ ዝበደሎ
            ህያው ዘይተዓደሎ

            እንስሳ
            ኣይ ካብ መታሕት ኣይ ከበሳ
            ወረ ‘ዛ ሃገርና ‘ንታዩ ኣበሳ?

        • Nitricc

          How do you know? Police are investigating..

          What do you think when this TPLF thug said what he said four days ago? No Ethiopian will do this at this moments of Ethiopian situation. The country is on edge and only the TPLF thugs will do this to justify that Ethiopia can’t make it without leadership. No Ethiopian will commit this crime at this time in point of Ethiopia.
          https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106305088_2955858721150095_2836513649849015090_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZlMd9QYcEfQAX-bZxEl&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=d6037d79a5e1cfe50b7702abff572136&oe=5F1F7FDA

          • Nitricc

            it wasn’t a link sunshine. save it to others.

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      This is really sad. May God receive him in his Kingdom and give his loved ones all the strength they need in this difficult time.

      One thing is clear: Abiy Ahmed is not fit to lead. When Getachew Assefa was in charge people felt safe much less any prominent person to get hurt.

      • Samuel

        Selam Paulos,
        Its really sad how the country has changed in to this situation in just two years. My condolences to the grieving family. I hope his family will get justice.

        The country has never had like this situation before, literally in most places you can’t drive from one place to another without an incident. The PM says the country is secured more than ever, however killing is happening every single day. Not alone to lead 110 million people, he can’t lead one institution. He was fired when he was acting director of INSA.

        Thanks,

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          Well, again the proof of the pudding is in the eating. He has got nothing to show for except a total break down. With in the last two years, Ethiopia lost two Military Generals, prominent politicians in Amara region and this great artist to violence. And no one is held responsible. In June 2018, Isaias Afwerki flew to Ethiopia with a bag full of Scorpions. They have no idea what evil can do!

          • Teodros Alem

            paulos
            When the 2 “generals” and the 3 enemy bands dead, ethiopia didn’t lose anything, instead ethiopia gain because of thier death. do u know the saying ” the good enemy is the dead enemy” don’t assume every body think like u, u kind of thinking represent no one but tplf and its supporters and individuals like abi, horizon, kim.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            ዓርኪ ሰባር ነቓዕ! This was stated the ገባር ደንባር: ብግዜ ኢኒ-ኢኒ ሕምባሻ ከሎ እምኒ. Nothing to add here.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            What the heck has PIA to do with the untimely death of this Hibub Artist, which led to demise of the TPLF!

            I would not jump into unsubstantiated allegations and conclusions “Common sense Logic 101“ would suspect the TPLF as a probable culprit since that Artist played a huge role for the DEMISE of the TPLF!
            Just saying…
            The Artist was one of the right hand people of Dr AAA and I doubt AAA and IA have to do anything with his tragic death!

            Plus, as a seasoned Intellectual and Professional with tons of common sense, why are you rushing into judgements and unsubstantiated conclusions?

            The fact that you and Samuel have taken the lead about this propaganda is suspicious!

            A classic WeyAne style of hectic reporting!
            Provoke or kill then cry like a victim…

            -Do you remember how Berekhet Simon was hectically reported about the alleged AU bombing as of it was engineered by Shaebia , when in fact, the CIA confirmed that the set up was done by Getachew Assefa?

            -The way Berekhet Simon blamed the GoE seconds after the German Tourists were killed in the Afar Region?

            -How about same TPLF alleging that the Kampala Massacre by the Al Shebab was engineered by the GoE under a code of Asmera ???

            -Didn’t we hear that the assassination attempt on Dr AAA at The Meskel Adebabay was engineered by Getachew Assefa through an OLF Cadre in Nairobi?

            To my best knowledge and recall, I don’t remember Paulos or Pappion blaming the TPLF and its Visionary Leader for its well coordinated destabilizing effort against Eritrea….

            The brutal Col Menghistu and the racist bigot,PMMZ , who deported close to a 100k Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin are better and decisive leaders than Dr AAA, the real Christ/Messiah of Ethiopia, who has done his best to reconcile and unite Ethiopia ???
            Oh Lord Jesus, ha e mercy on us!!!
            Hyperbolic, diabolic or hypocritical argument?

            The only reason or the major reason as to why Dr AAA could not succeed the way he should,has been ,simply coz of the TPLF’s destabilizing sabotage and interference in their very true words and public threats and testimony!!

          • sara

            selam hope—
            why are you bringing this facts to the fore????

          • Paulos
          • Abi

            Paul
            Wondering if you are Getachew Asefa in real life?

          • Selam Abi,
            Who wants to see the famous Oromo artist dead?
            The two main culprits that come to mind are some Amara extremists who are angry with what he said recently, that Menilik was riding a donkey and he didn’t know how to ride a horse, and his horse was stolen from an oromo farmer. This has made some Amaras angry.
            The second one, most important, is tplf, who could have used his death to cause unrest, destabilize the country and undermine the government. For tplf, especially after what the victim said about Menilik recently, it was a good chance to exploit the disappointment of some Amaras and stick the crime on them so that there will be a crisis between oromos and Amaras.
            On top of these two, one should have in mind that extremist oromos may as well use the death of a known and loved young oromo artist, to cause a similar phenomena of unrest, destabilisation and a political crisis that may bring down the government. Don’t be surprised if it comes out that it is at the order of tplf that oromo extremists may have sacrificed their own man, as they tried to assassinate pm Abiy, am oromo. And lastly, a personal difference with some individual(s) that was deadly.
            All these scenarios are possible, in my opinion. I hope that the government will come up with a credible explanation asap.
            Nevertheless, as you see digital woyane is flooding the place with crocodile tears in an orchestrated manner,
            They are quick to use the unfortunate death of this young man for anti-Abiy propaganda,
            They say that the sky is going to fall on ethiopians.
            They are indirectly sending the message for unrest and anti-government demonstrations to bring down the government. Since the day tplf was kicked out of power, it has done its best to fish in muddy waters for naive people who could do its dirty job. Now they thinks that it is their best chance.
            They have concluded that egypt will come out a winner,
            Only a killer regime like that of tplf can stop the killings by killing more people itself,
            They say that it is a political killing but they don’t say that tplf could be implicated as well, etc.
            The point is that they see what they want to see for their own reasons. Their anti-Abiy propaganda meant to serve their organization, tplf, is a life time mission until tplf ends up in the dustbin of history.

          • Nitricc

            Horizon; there are news that Jawar and Bekele-Geriba are arrested. the main messengers of TPLF. things are heating up. a very good opportunity for PMAA to strike and to make head-way.

          • Teodros Alem

            Nitricc
            Jawar will never be arrested, unless fake arrest to make the drama more believable.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Teddy; believe it or not, this is the perfect time for PMAA to take decisive action. This is the perfect timing to clean house internally and destroy TPLF externally. This is the moment. If PMAA fails to take advantage of the situation then not only PMAA will be equalized but will be normalized to his graves. This the perfect time to eliminate jawar and the stupid Bekele, clean the house or be cleaned is the order of the day. I have no doubt this was the work of TPLF in collaboration of the Oromo federalists.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Teddy:
            It is confirmed after one of Jawar’s people killed a Federal Police Officer!
            I thought you are “ An Insider Reporter”!

          • Teodros Alem

            mg
            It is also confirmed u r a twisted tplf.
            reread what i said

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG; as tragic as the Innocent artist death is, there is something good coming out of it, Jawar and Bekele have seen the last daylight of their life. Almost it was kind of impossible to put those two behind bars. This time around, the police managed to arrest the entire gang. I really Believe that PMAA is in a good position to take care of business, clean the house. If he could arrest Jawar and Bekele; right there, half of the battle. Next of PMAA is cut off Tigrya’s budget. I don’t if PMAA understands it but the situation has reached its critical stage, accordingly he needs to take decisive actions. if not, sadly they will eat him alive. The problem is PMAA doesn’t have the Cruelty, Maliciousness and the Heartless they do operate under. So, it is up to PMAA, i am sure PIA is advising him and i urge PMAA to take the advice of the lion of Naqfa. However; the main thing is, keep and make disappear Jawar and Bekel. shot them between the eyes and tell the world that died from Corona virus. the End of the story. No one is above the country and any country comes before anyone.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You need to admit that you are still stuck on the past —:
            TPLF left the center by will, in a simple math EPRDF voted and Abiy got elected, as simple as that. If you don’t think that is democratic I don’t think you have developed political maturity yet, there is no free lunch.
            Regardless of his effectiveness and his mischievous decisions they helped him to get where he is today. They accepted the vote and they assumed he will guide the country to a better position but he screwed up badly. His shortsighted view impacted the country dearly. If you don’t share this view I can understand why, we can move on with our differences.

            Stop your hate toward TPLF. Why would Dr. Debretsion be blamed for every killing and arrests in Jima, Harar, Addis Ababa, Awasa, Bahrdar, you name it outside Tigray, when will you start to question the calf dictator who is at the helm of the power?
            You can blame TPLF for some of the wrongdoings of the last 27 years but not for the last two years. Politics is the game of interests, thus TPLF has every right to play its game.

            Regarding going back to the center, it isn’t about “can or can’t”, it is about principle and interest. Remember that it isn’t pre-1991 anymore, going back to the center is easier than you would think. In your mind you are thinking conventional war going thru Amhara region and get to Addis Ababa. You just don’t understand Ethiopia political game anymore.

            If you understand Tegaru’s psyche going to the center is the interest of the few, focusing in Tigray is the interest of the majority, thus why would TPLF make the same mistake they did the last 27 years? They should focus in Tigray and contribute their part to the federal government.

            For individuals like you when the federal government fails to manage its responsibility, it is easier to point fingers towards TPLF. Look some Eritreans in this website and other places, they blame TPLF for not having election in Eritrea, they blame TPLF for not having democracy in Eritrea, they blame TPLF for not having economic growth in Eritrea, they blame TPLF for the young who flee Eritrea. You need to clean your house first and then try to look your neighbors dirt.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Salem Samuel

            Thank you for telling us the obvious: “ … TPLF has every right to play its game”. The game is creating and fueling chaos and anarchy. It is for this reason that people think TPLF belong to the list of suspects until the police and prosecutor do their work and reach a conclusion. You wondered as to why people suspect TPLF for many things that are plaguing Eritrea and Ethiopia. It is because people are not suffering under collective dementia.

          • Selam Samuel,
            First, tplf was evicted from the center, because if it could it would have done everything under the sun to stay in power. If it left by its will, it would have not made pm Abiy its deadly enemy.
            Whatever negative opinion you have about pm Abiy, it is tplf’s opinion, which mean nothing anymore, as long as it has quarantined itself in the periphery.
            Do you think that tplf’s friends are any better? They are ethno ultra nationalists like jawar, bekele g, daoud ibsa, etc, who are united in hating, destabilising and undermining Ethiopia as tplf does. They were the victims of tplf prison and torture, and now they are bed fellows. Are these a better choice? Do you think that they will stick together for long, when the one is using the other?
            Tplf is the sworn enemy of the incumbent government. Tplf is the mastermind of the ills that occurs in Ethiopia. The money it looted over almost three decades gave it the financial power to destabilise the country.
            You said it yourself, “Politics is the game of interests, thus TPLF has every right to play its game.” Unfortunately, tplf’s game is against the interest of Ethiopia, against its very existence.
            It is tplf that is trying to intimidate everybody else with the war game, which of course it will never dare.
            You can come to the center any time, but you will never have your way anymore. That is the bitter truth.
            Indeed tplf should focus on Tigray, but not in a parasitic way. Ours is ours, and yours as well is ours. That will not work for long.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            :— “it would have not made pm Abiy its deadly enemy.”

            He started the defamation war, he started to say the last 27 years were the years of darkness, he lied in front of Ethiopians by saying “Derg wasn’t defeated”, he has appreciated the Derg officials for their great leadership, at one point he said Derg era was better than EPRDF. The list goes on …. finally he dissolved EPRDF. What do you expect TPLF to do? to just seat and watch the next move?

            He became the most pathological liar ever heard in Ethiopia leaders. Kibre Negest was the mother of all lies, but PMAA has exceeded that. He has created an imaginary country and imaginary people who doesn’t exist in today’s Ethiopia.

            Don’t worry about quarantine, if that is what it takes to win their interest then be it. By the way who is really quarantined? The calf dictator inside 4Kilo palace who can’t move outside the 40 acre (0.16 square kilometres), OR the one in 54,000 square kilometres area?

            Politics is like a chess game, you make different moves to protect your interests. Losing a rook (castle chess game, metaphorically) isn’t the end of the game, it is part of the game that you scarify to win the overall game.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            Either you have lost the meaning of dictatorship, which i doubt, or you are trying to sanitize one of the worst dictatorships Ethiopia has ever seen, which is the tplf dictatorship. It is all about whitewashing the crimes of tplf, by accusing, insulting, demeaning and demonizing the present Ethiopian PM right from the start.
            Ethiopians do not have short memory, and you cannot convince anybody whatsoever. Whoever refuses to become a tplf puppet is not a dictator, but a self respecting leader. What characterizes tplf is the sum total of its dictatorial and inhuman rule: killings, imprisonments, torture, theft, nepotism, etc, and you want Ethiopians to forget all these. The Ethiopian people are aware of what tplf was and is even today. Whatever they said is the truth. It was tplf that started mud slinging and character assassination when it understood that Abiy was not HMD, and he was not going to end up serving tplf.
            It is better if you leave history alone. If you start to doubt history, there will be no end to it. History is a complicated thing, especially ancient history, when there is no recorded history.
            Have you ever seen mz outside his rabbit hole. PM Abiy on the other hand is almost everywhere among the people, and yet you say that he is confined to the palace. On the contrary, no other Ethiopian leader was among the people as pm Abiy is.
            For tplf, politics is Machiavellian, full of deceit, betrayal and backstabbing. That is how it functioned throughout its history. Now you are reminding us by saying that politics is like a chess game, you sacrifice a piece to win the game. The problem is that tplf is not playing any chess game anymore. It is in a quicksand fighting for its life. Tplf lost the game two years ago, and now it is in a survival mode, looking right and left on whom to cling and whoever may save it: agazians, federalists, anti-Ethiopians, anybody.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            TPLF is the worst dictatorship Ethiopia has ever seen, really? Meles Zenawi was worse than Mengistu Hailemariam? Derg was better than TPLF?
            You are the worst denier I have ever engaged. What does it give you to reject Truth? Who did the worst massacre in Ethiopia history “Hawzen massacre”? Who did Red Terror (ቀይ ሽብር)? Have you seen the “Butcher of Addis” in the Red Terror museum? You are just inhuman.
            Just because you deny it doesn’t mean Derg wasn’t a butcher. Keep your denial, you will pay the price for it.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            man, why u compare 🍎 and orange? derg was was ethiopian dictator and a killer but tplf is ethiopia haters and a dictator and a killer. They both r killers and dictators but derg ignorant dictator and tplf is ethiopia haters.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሳምኤል,

            ፈሪሃ እግዚኣቢሄር የብሎምን፣ እንሀልካ’ኻኣ ዓዶም ኣብ ውሽጢ ክልተ ዓመት ዘይኣክል ሓመዳ ንላዕሊ ትኸውን ኣላ፣ እቲ ራህዋ ከምጻኣልኩም እየ ዝበሎም ናይ ሓሶት ነቢ ንሓደ ርኹስ መንፈስ በስጋ ዝተገልጸ ኢሳያስ ኣፈወርቂ ዝባሃል ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ስለዘእተዎ፣ እነሀልካ ሀገሮም ሓመዳ ንላዕሊ ትኸውን ኣላ፣ መለስ ዜናዊ ጽቡቕ ሂወት ከረኽቡ ኢሉ ለይትን ማዓልትን ሰሪሑን ከም ሽምዓ መኺኹ ግን ክሒደሞን ጠሊሞሞን፣ እነሀልካ’ኻኣ መስቅኡ ይወርዶም ኣሎ!

          • Samuel

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ,
            በተለይ ኦሮምያን ኣምሓራን ክልል ብዕሊ ፈሪሱ’ዩ። ክልቲኡ ክልል መንግስቲ የብሉን። ኣብ ሶሻል ሚድያ ጥራሕ እዮም ዝፍኩሩ ዝውዕሉ። ሓደ ኣብ ስለላ ዝሰርሕ ሰብ ዝፈልጦ ኣለኒ፤ ክልቲኡ ክልል ከመይ ከም ዝፈረሰ ክነግረካ ከሎ ኣይትኣምንን፤ እታ ዓዲ ኣብ ሕጊ/ወረቐት ጥራሕ እያ ዘላ፤ ኣብ መሬት ፈሪሳ እያ። ንሳቶም ግን መንግስቲ ዘሎ እዩ ዝመስሎም።

            ኣብ ትግራይ ኣብ 2019 ሐደ ሰብ ብፖሊስ ተቐቲሉ፣ ኣብ 2020’ውን ሐደ ሰብ ብፖሊስ ተቐቲሉ፣ ቐተልቲ’ውን ተኣሲሮም ኣብ ሕጊ ይርከቡ።
            ኣፍቲ ዓዶም ድማ (ማእኸል ዓዲ) ብኣሻሓት ዝቑፀሩ ሰባት ይቕተሉን ይእሰሩን ኣለው፤ ዝተኣሰረ ወይ ናብ ሕጊ ዝቐረበ ቐታሊ የለን። ኾይኑ ግና ኣብ ትግራይ ሰላም የለን፣ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ግን ሰላም ኣሎ ይብሉ።

            ትግራይ ካብ TPLF ነፃ ክትወጽእ ኣለዋ ይብሉኻ። ብኣሻሓት ዝቕተልሉ ክልል ገዲፎም ናብ ትግራይ ምቁማት እንታይ ይብሃል። እቲ ሕሰቶም መወዳእታ የብሉን። ሓቂ እዩ ህወሓት ብዙሕ ጥፍኣት ዘለዎ ውድብ እዩ፣ ኾይኑ ግና ምስቲ ናታቶም ወንጀል እንትረአ ሰማይን መሬትን እዩ። ሓቂ ሒዝካ ምቅላስ እኮ ይካኣል እዩ። ህወሓት ትዕግስቲ እንተዘይገብር ነይሩ እታ ዓዲ እስካብ ሕዚ ኣይምፀንሐትን ነይራ።

            ኢሳያስ ናይ ልቡ ይገብር ኣሎ። ንሳቶም ህወሓት ዘጥፈአሎም መሲልዎም ብዕልልታ ተቐቢለምዎ፤ ኮይኑ ግና ሓደ ብሓደ የጥፍኦም ኣሎ። እቲ ናይ ፈደራል ስለላ መሓውር ፈሪሱ እዩ። ህወሓት ኣብ አዲስ አበባ እንተትፀንሕ ነይሩ ሓደ ብሓደ ኽቐትሎም ነይሩ። ንሳቶም (ምንሊካውያን) ድማ ንህወሓት መቐለ ኣባሪርናያ ይብሉኻ። ፖለቲካ ኣይርደኦምን። ኢሳያስ ይፃወተሎም ኣሎ።

            እታ በቐዳማይ ዝበልኩዎ ኽደግማ፤-
            ኢዚኦም ይትረፍ ዶ ክገዙኡኻ ፥ክትገዞኦም’ውን መከራ!

            Thanks,

          • Berhe Y

            ሰላም ሳሙኤልን ጳውሎስን

            ሓደ ነገር አን ብትዕዝብተይ ዝተርአኽዎ ካብ ብዙሓ ዓመታት፡ ኢሰያስ አፈውረቂ ኢትዮጵያስውስት እዩ፡፡ ንኢትዮጵያ (ናይ ሃይለ ስላሴን መንሊክን ኢትዮጵያ) ብምንም ትአምር ዝጎድእ ዋላ ሓንቲ ነገር ሰሪሑ አይፈልጥን፡ ሕጂ እውን ክሰርሕ እዩ ኢለ አይአምንን፡፡

            ሕማም ኢሰያስ አፈወርቂ ምስ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ድማ፡ እቲ ልቡን ሓሳቡን አብ ኢትያጵያ ስለ ዝኾነ እዩ፡፡

            ነዚ ዝግበር ዘሎ ዕግርግር አብ ኦሮሞ ይኹን አብ አምሓራ፡ ኢስያስ አፈውርቂ ኢድ አለዎ ኢልካ ክትከስስ፡ ካብ ሓቂ ዝረሓቀ እዩ፡፡

            ይትረፈዶ ሕጂ፡ ምስ አቢ ፍሽክ እንዳበለ፡ ዋላ ቅድም እውን (አብ ግዜ ሰውራ ከይተረፈ) ሓንቲ መዓልቲ፡ ንህዝቢ ኤትዮጵያ ይኹን ንመንግሲ ኢትዮጵያ (አብ ማእከል ሃገር) ዝፈጸሞ፡ ምንም ዓይነት ጉድአት የለን፡፡

            ህውሓት እምበሺ መንግሲ እንዳሃለዉ ከይተረፈ፡ ሓንሳብ ቦምብ፡ ሓንሳብ ሰለይቲ፡ ሓንስብ ሓሶት ወዲ ሓሶት ምሂዞም ንኤርትራ ንኢሰያስን ምጽላም ዝጥቀሙሉ ዝነበሩ ሜላ ብሰነድ አሎ (ዊኪሊክስ) ተመልከቱ፡፡
            =====

            I have never heard of this singer before, I don’t even know if I can pronounce his name. I think both of you are pointing fingers at Isayas Afeworki and by extention at Eritrea.

            As far as I know Isayas Afeworki has been always ethiopianist, the (Haile Slassie and Menlik and even even Yohannes) Ethiopia. Let alone now that he is chic to chic with Abiy, even during the Eritrean liberation time, he has never taken any act that harm the Ethiopian people ever.

            The problem he has with Eritrea and Eritrean people is, primary his focus is on Ethiopia.

            The TPLF led government however, had used all type of manufactured “terror” to implicate IA and Eritrea in the past as was evidence covered by wikilleaks.

            For this unfortunate event that happened, I think implicating Isayas Afeworki seems far from truth.

            But I heard of the agazian guy who is encouraging the Oromo people to revolt and take over Addis Abeba and destroy Menelik Statue. I have not seen it myself, but TPLF known propagandist Alula Solomon apparently shared his live video on facebook.

            በርሀ

          • Paulos

            Sure thing brother, sure thing.

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            You said — “I think both of you are pointing fingers at Isayas Afeworki and by extension at Eritrea.” If you believe what IA does is for the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans then you may think that way, otherwise that is wrong allegation. DIA has his own personal ambition and goals in Ethiopia, thus he has his contribution to the current Ethiopia security issue and political affairs. In my political view, his actions has nothing to do with Eritrea and Eritrean interest because he is not voted by the people, thus his actions are not for the people. What he does is for his own benefit, that is how I see it. You shouldn’t have said “by extension at Eritrea”, there is nothing on my comments that indicate that, but if you believe what IA does is the interest of Eritrea/ns then you can take it however you want.

            Regarding IA pointing fingers I don’t have to spend time on that, it is the obvious one.

            Thanks,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Samuel,

            His actions may not represent the wish and desire of the Eritrean people but he is still the leader of the country. So if he is implicated and proved that goes against the country.

            You guys are quick to point fingers to Isayas, where he has no history of harming civilians in Ethiopia.

            Regarding IA pointing fingers I don’t have to spend time on that, it is the obvious one.

            This is not obvious..why don’t you bring one example of such incident and any Eritrean for that matter who did any harm to any Ethiopian civilian for the past 50 years in Ethiopia.

            You guys can
            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Eritreans collectively robed Ethiopians , illegally and inhumanly deported them in 1991.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abi

            “Eritreans collectively robed Ethiopians , illegally and inhumanly deported them in 1991.”

            Is that your words? How do you say so? Past is gone man..it is an old story gone that for me was a very good experience for both people,,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Yes, you read me right. You robbed the defenseless people in broad daylight.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            This is when my mother says “Himam diEa yibehal”.

            It means. Ufff another headache.

            Ethiopia needs to apologize to the Eritreans people, for the bombing, fir the killing, torturing, deportation, robbing us

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Nothing to apologize for.

          • Teodros Alem

            berhe
            u r become real “bare” oxen, u mean ethiopia or the previous government of ethiopia? what a bull, who’s gonna apologize for ethiopians to the killing of ethiopian people?
            all eritreans know who u r, tigrai is the one needs to apologize for deporting, looting, killing, sanctioning, making them refugees by making life hard in eritrea and so on. U guys need to apologize and pay the damage, which u will never can pay for coming 100000 years.

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe,
            I am talking about DIA and his groups, however you are asking “why don’t you bring one example of such incident and any Eritrean for that matter who did any harm to any Ethiopian civilian for the past 50 years in Ethiopia.”?

            My politics centers on leaders and regimes, I don’t focus on citizens. I don’t have the believe that citizens harm other citizens. I don’t believe Eritreans harm Ethiopians, I don’t believe Ethiopians harm Eritreans either, however leaders order any wrongdoings on citizens. Whoever did the crime I don’t focus on the individual citizenship, I focus on the regime and leader.

            For example, Derg has bombed Eritrean towns and villages, this is a fact. However, the pilot could be an Eritrean, does this mean an Eritrean harmed an Eritrean? No, not in my judgement, he was just ordered to do what he did. I will blame Derg regime for it. It doesn’t mean the pilot is free of responsibility, but the focus should be on the regime and leader.

            My point is you should frame your question in a way that can be easy to engage. Your question should have been framed like “Is there any Eritrean leader or regime or political entity who harmed Ethiopian civilians”.
            Let me give you three examples and let’s settle with that. If you are going to be like Horizon “Howzen was orchestrated by TPLF”, then lets stop those kinds of childish denial.

            EPLF:
            TPLF had 60-100 trucks transporting food for famine victims in Tigray which were stranded in Sheraro when the EPLF blocked the road to the Sudan. Page 128
            Book: Identity Jilted OR Re-imaging Identity? By Alemseged Abbay, published in Asmera, Eritrea.

            PFDJ:
            Eritrean fighter jet dropped a cluster bomb, in 1998 at Ayder Elementary School, Mekelle. 48 people were killed, including 10 children under 15.

            Major General Hayelom Araya death:
            By Jemil Yassin Mohammed, he was believed to be an undercover agent of PFDJ Intelligence Service. He was executed after a court trial in February 1997 found him guilty of murder.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            TPLF’s target is the every existence of sovereign Eritrea!

            TPLF hates and would like to destroy Isaias because he represents Eritrea. Any Eritrean leader who opposes undermining Eritrea’s sovereignty and exploitation of Eritrea’ resources by TPLF would be demonized by TPLF. It is in the DNA of Tigrayan elites in which deceit, lie and robbery/thievery is considered as a highly valued virtue, as revealed over the last 120 years. Our language is rich in pointed and telling phrases describing the nature of Tigrayan elites.

            That is why most Eritreans are not collaborating with TPLF to remove the much despised Isaias regime. Because we know TPLF’s target is Eritrea. For TPLF, Isaias is just a proxy.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            What is TMH?

          • Hashela

            It is a breeding ground for highly evolved parasites
            (Tigray Media House)

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Thanks. Some of these highly evolved creatures who are handsomely compensated for their dedications are bringing the core messages of TMH for Awate Addicts. Don’t bother to provide links.
            Getachew Asefa (aka Pawlos )and his partner in crime are working overtime flooding the website upvoting each other’s comments.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ahlen Ya Prof:
            It is beyond insanity to watch two Mekele Univ Students through TvTigrai/ TMH bragging about claiming Eritrea as their own and planning to make it their original land of Tigrai people and to issue only a courtesy Zeghnet to the other minorities !
            It is vital on Social Media!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            Time to get back to Gonder and apply for Zeghnet.
            It took 30 years of struggle to get rid of Ethiopian occupation. It will take 100 years to get rid of Tigray occupation.

          • Selam Sultan,
            The egg of the serpent is hatched, the message is written on the wall, and the ground is being prepared from within by some eritreans.
            This seems to be the meaning of, we fought for Eritrean independence (rather isolation) more than Eritreans themselves. From a dictator, they are turning IA to the bastion of Eritrea sovereignty, because he is the one standing on their way to create the Tigrai-Tigrini state, agaziland, greater Tigray, where the Tigray ethnic group will be the superior ethnic group, the masters, while the rest will be seen as unwanted intruders or second class citizens at best.
            The so called Arian race caused the second world war. The agazians will cause the war of the horn of Africa. God save the region from such insane people.

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG; I am somebody watched it. i was so pissed off, i was going to bring in here but you got be Digital Weyane to post during week-days, so i didn’t. I was stunned how she was calm, cool and collected when she delivered her idea. It tells you how much they are embolden by the silence of the Eritrean Muslims.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Gen:
            Worse the TMH has made it viral that the Oromo Artist was killed by Eritrean Military ( In Uniform/Military/Attire)!
            The way they explain things is beyond dumb!
            I don’t think it is fair that both Govts shoukd tolerate these evil people and their toxic propaganda !

          • Paulos

            😂😂😂

          • Sultan M.G.

            Sam:
            That is it?
            It is only fair to change the topic.

          • sara

            selam hope,
            those days we want peace between Eritreans and tigrai people , the we are brothers and sisters days are gone…
            now its we are enemies since life started in this world etc
            i think they are on a n offensive mode …….. best for you is
            to go dawn to your bunker.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Samuel,

            I agree, I also meant the same, official organizations and government decisions.

            Well it shows and proves what I said. I know Eritreans are not perfect but from the past 140 years if this is all you can come up with, we are are not doing that bad. Not bad at all. To get back to what you wrote.

            in 1985, TPLF had 60-100 trucks transporting food for famine victims in Tigray which were stranded in Sheraro when the EPLF blocked the road to the Sudan. Page 128
            Book: Identity Jilted OR Re-imaging Identity? By Alemseged Abbay, published in Asmera, Eritrea.

            I have heard about this but I don’t know the facts and all the details. I don’t the circumstances, but if you are saying the EPLF took that decision so to harm the people of Tigray who were suffering of famine then it’s wrong. I really doubt they will do that but if it’s done it’s wrong.

            PFDJ:
            Eritrean fighter jet dropped a cluster bomb, in 1998 at Ayder Elementary School, Mekelle. 48 people were killed, including 10 children under 15 years age.

            I don’t know what type of bombs they used, but I think this is unfortunate and it’s a missed target. It was not on purpose to target the school and the children. Haile Durue then, FM of Eritrea, I heard his interview saying “how regrettable it was” it was and it was a missed target. I am not giving excuse to what happen, but it was not intentional. This happens all the time unfortunately in war.
            On the other hand, it was Ethiopia government who send it’s plane to bomb the Asmara Airport and the Eritrean was a retaliation, which escalated the tension.

            Major General Hayelom Araya death:
            By Jemil Yassin Mohammed, he was believed to be an undercover agent of PFDJ Intelligence Service. He was executed after a court trial in February 1997 found him guilty of murder.

            I don’t know much about General Hayelom but I hear he was a good genenral. I don’t know the circumstances of his death but listening to the Fenkil guy, he said, it’s TPLF leaders who had a hand in his killing.

            I honestly don’t know what was taken as a fact and the execution of Jemil (first time I am learning his name) at a face value. Governments can claim all the wants and can bring evidence all they like and call it “found guilty in court”. We hear that all the time in the US (even suppose to be a free country)and how many black people were “found guilty” and after years and years behind bars, found to be innocent.

            What I heard was they two gentleman had a thing for a lady and it may have to do a personal matter.

            Sending an Eritrean Muslim to Tigray / Ethiopia to work as intelligence officer for EPLF sounds a far fetched fiction. If they send to Sudan, I can understand but to Ethiopia / Tigray…either way…
            በጃኻ ቁስላና አይተሕክከና

            Berhe

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe,
            Who said “Eritrean Muslim”? Revisit my comment please, I provided you a name, that is the perpetrator’s name, I haven’t even mentioned his citizenship and his religion. I don’t care whether he was a Muslim or a Christian, what I care is someone who believed to be an undercover agent of PFDJ Intelligence Service killed Hayelom. My observation is that you like to assume too much, please don’t do that, it’s not good. There are times that you may need an assumption but not like this one. There are Christian names who are Muslims, there are Muslim names who are Christians. Don’t assume!

            For example, the killer of general Seare and general GezaE is “Mesafint Tigabu”, I don’t know his religion, I don’t know his ethnicity, what I believe is that he doesn’t do this evil act just by himself, there are bigger forces behind him.

            Thanks,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Samuel,

            You are right, I assumed. And that’s wrong. I could have asked for clarification. You said undercover of PFDJ Intelligence service. I assumed he is Eritrean.

            I grew up in Asmara and based on my knowledge and my experience, as far as names goes, it’s really clear. And when I saw the name “Jemil Yassin Mohammed” that’s what was popped to me.

            Without reading the court transcript and with you reading his defense, It’s hard for me to come to a conclusion based on “guilty verdict” and take what you said at face value “PFDJ Intelligence Service”.

            I don’t care about someone ethnicity and religion but you said “intelligence” that’s why I brought it up. It makes no sense to me…

            I know the TPLF is and has been on a campaign of revisiting history and rewriting it to fit it’s narrative and that’s why I bother to respond when that history involves Eritrea. Am I correct all the time, probably no, but we are dealing on many make up story that’s very hard to get a grip.

            Speaking of the murder of the General, what do you say to those Fenkil guys who are suspecting TPLF may have a hand in it.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I don’t know much about General Hayelom but I hear he was a good genenral.

            Hi Berhe; no he wasn’t. The Tigryans wanted a hero and they created him. Show me any battle led by the so-called good general? He tried one battle, a battle of Shire and couldn’t deliver and the brave ShaEbians came to do the job for the Tigryans and the so-called General. It is comical to suggest that the so-called General was killed by an Eritrean. NO sir, he was killed in bar. What kind of general will be killed in a bar? The Tigryans are to ashamed to tell you the truth. The truth is there no battle ground that was planed and executed by any Tigryan General or soldier on their 17 years fruitless journey. Why do you think they take every EPLF pictures and trying to displaying them as TPLF’s property? because there is none to show.
            They are fake and they will always will be fake.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Samuel

            1. – “in 1985, TPLF had 60-100 trucks transporting food for famine victims in Tigray which were stranded in Sheraro when the EPLF blocked the road to the Sudan. Page 128
            Book: Identity Jilted OR Re-imaging Identity? By Alemseged Abbay, published in Asmera, Eritrea.”

            Do you know what your TPLF was doing between 1982-1985 while EPLF was quarantined in Sahel fighting for its life – during and after the sixth offensive?

            1. – Your Woyane was busy killing, evicting, arresting, confiscating properties of tens of thousands of Eritrean farmers and renaming (changing names of) lands and towns in and around Badme was openly was going on between between

            2. – Your Woyane was arming and financing ELF factions the likes of the ሳግምs, the ደምሓኤs, the Tesfamhret’s group, the Sabes group in Tahtay Gash; in which these groups were killing EPLF fighters – never fired a single bullet to the enemy (Dergue) between 1982 and 1991

            Your Woyane was disseminating Tigray Media House type anti EPLF propaganda every single day – all using EPLF radio station (ድምጺ ሓፋሽ) in Sahel

            3. – And do you know what the conspiracy theorists and the skeptics were saying then? Isaias is looking the other way because he is not Eritrean. Had Isaias been a true Eritrean, he would’ve gotten into a shooting war with Woyane to defend his organization and Eritreans in and around Badme.

            4. – Just to let you know – for an Eritrean – what it means to have a Woyanay for a friend

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere,

            2. - Your Woyane was arming and financing ELF factions the likes of the ሳግምs, the ደምሓኤs, the Tesfamhret's group, the Sabes group in Tahtay Gash .

            TPLF arming and finicing the the Sabes group…

            Yesterday I heard the interview of Ahmed Alqeysi in Assena. I encourage to you listen, very long but worth your time.

            He spoke briefly about Sabe. The man was way ahead of his time, how he used his diplomatic charm to help start a lot of organization in the region who were fighting injustice. I wouldn’t be surprised if TPLF was beneficial of his support.

            I have a good friend who is from Syria. He told me years ago, that he went to school with a guy whose father was one of Eritrean liberation front leaders. He told me about him and I know who he is.

            I wish people speak to his son and his family and help straighten the years of bad propaganda campaign against him and his efforts to see a free and independent Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Without bias and prejudice,you are doing on almost everything you said!
            On Gen Hayyelom:
            I was there and the ONLY reason the Eri Business man killed the Gen was due to an argument they had on that same lady….
            Every body, who witnessed that argument and fight testified publicsly abc behind the scene to that effect!

            It as nothing to do with spying or intelligence !
            On the role of the TPLF and its mercenaries and cadres against Eritrea and Eritreans, all is written on a steel with RED LETTERS!
            On the role of PIA in protecting and defending Ethiopia:

            It is an open book history!

            “ Ane Igheddid miskhum zikhuddid “ ilka zeitighedfom Bi’llahi!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            On the killing of gen hayelom , there was no lady argument between jemil and hayelom.
            Jemil was inside the bar(azemari bet) drank when hayelom and pro enderyes came to the bar and jemil start drank talking to hayelom in tigrign as if they r body’s and hayelom ignored him and told him to leave him alone and the guards came push jemil out and than after a few minutes jemil came back with gun and shoot and kill hayelom.
            that is the story.

          • Selam samuel,

            As expected, you are purposely playing with words to support tplf. This was what i said, “…one of the worst dictatorships Ethiopia has ever seen….”, unless you say that the tplf regime was not a dictatorship, which will serve your purpose.
            ከዝንጀሮ ቆንጆ ምን ይመራርጡ! I leave it to you. What ethiopians know very well is that dictators are anathema, a curse, whether they speak amharic, tigrigna or if an oromo language speaking dictatorship comes in the future. Dictatorship is dictatorship. One can’t choose between dictatorships, unless one is its functionary.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            Do you know someone here calls you a Woyane or TPLF sympathizer. I never knew how you could be accused of that. He must be a mixed up guy. He called me a Woyane too, oh well I am not.

            Ethiopia has been blessed/cursed with at least 3 or 4 dictators in the last 100 years. ( H.S, Mengistu, Meles)

            Each of them have a very long list of misdeeds and corruption depending on the point of view of the aggrieved. The list seems to grow with time.

            I want to try my luck and list the good deeds they accomplished for the well being of the country.

            Haile Selassie:
            1) Forced the feudal nobility and Orthodox church to open schools. Boarding schools for the provinces and incentives to advance modern education.(He used police force to effect it)

            2) Made attempt with some success to create civil service, court system, military etc from the ground up.

            3) African union initiative.

            Mengistu HaileMariam:
            1) Saved the territorial integrity of Ethiopia from a Somalia invasion by switching super power alliance and punished Somalia so that it will not be repeated again.

            2)He forcefully implemented the nationalization of land eliminating the old system from its roots to prepare the country for an equatable distribution of wealth.

            Meles Zenawi:
            1) Saved the country as a unit from a certain disintegration during the transition.

            2) Set up a system of Federation and constitution that is still functioning, albeit with some problems.

            3) The fastest infrastructure development of several dams, industrial parks and an electrified railway system to Djibouti.

            4) GERD

            I have a deep dislike for Mengistu, it is like pulling teeth to acknowledge that he had accomplished certain progress for the country.
            Had anyone one of them failed totally in their efforts, Ethiopia would have been in a far worse shape or even ceased to exist as we know it.

            Mr. K.H

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

            You are a good person. And you are one of my favorite Ethiopian Forumers in this site in the company of Addmassie, Kaddis and Samuel. What you just stared is true and thank you for being honest.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear KH,

            Nice..I totally agree with you..it is all about balance and govern and now is more than all Dr.Abiy

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ውስጥህ ሰላም ነው?
            ምነው እንደገደል ማሚቶ የሌሎችን ታስተጋባለህ?
            እንደ ቆለጥ አታጨብጭብ

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abi,

            You cannot change my mind Abo,

            I am in peace and I am convinced totally in all what I say,,”ቆለጥ” why do you use this dirty word? is that for me Abo? Think before you say something bad mouth,,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You have been a lousy cheerleader for the last couple of years.
            You just blindly follow the weyane activists.
            I know what I’m saying.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abi,

            I don’t follow blindly…I am very Carefully taking in to consideration and I know I am saying..I am very balanced man as you know me..No evidence no charge but ready to forgive..that is me Abo..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            No Kokobe, you started accusing PMAA following the weyane stooges. You are on a mission to appease whoever is accusing PMAA. You are doing it relentlessly.
            Take a break.
            I seriously doubt that you are a balanced person. I mean it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abi,

            Yes Abi, go and check my posts and find out, Yes, I have been optimistic like everyone of us to see change, but then the gentleman came and everything in hurry..you see him going from one part in side Ethiopia and then see him going from nation to nation..I said what is this? and came to Eritrean EPLF junkies and hold them till they say “Dr. Abi is our leader ” what? that was a big drama isn’t it?

            I said. wait and see till I found out.then in very short time .He is the worst of all Ethiopian leaders including Mengstu.

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You have always been negative when it comes to PMAA. You started accusing him following Hayat Adem, Amanuel Hidnrat, Saul and other Tplf paid stooges. Yours is kind of internship. Soon the checks will start coming. Make sure to log enough for extra bonus.

            Abiy didn’t go to Eritrea to visit the “ eplf junkies “. He went to Eritrea to bring peace for the two people.
            The elf junkies who were sleeping with Tplf are against every kind of peaceful coexistence. Some of the retarded elf junkies told us Ethiopia will disintegrate without Tplf at the helm.
            አሁንም በድጋሚ እንደ ቆለጥ አታጨብጭብ:: በራስህ ቁም

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abi ,

            Do you know, why am I copy pasting?

            “አሁንም በድጋሚ እንደ ቆለጥ አታጨብጭብ:: በራስህ ቁም”

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ደጋግመህ ስትፅፈው ሙዚቃ መስሎህ ይሆናል::
            ለምን አትነግረኝም?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Abo,

            Ok , Brother,

            “ደግመህ ስትፅፈው ሙዚቃ መስሎህ ይሆናል:: ” which Frequency? Alpha or beta? you know, that this the way to take moment to moment. Live in now -man relax and don’t worry..this is your’s Kokhob of BahirDar.

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ok

          • Teodros Alem

            kim
            reread 2 years ago, before 3A came to power comments of urs, horizon and abi’s and than u will know who’s mixed up cadre. u will know who sold his soul for cheap amount of money, u will know who is woyane.

          • A.Osman

            Dear Kim,

            You could have added Abey Ahmed to the list.

            He has the hardest job of all, he could have done much for Ethiopia, but he seems to have come at worst time.

            Hopefully he manages this rough phase with wisdom and patience, as it will be tempting to use resort to disproportionate force for quick results.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam A. Osman,

            As you can see PMAA is fully engaged in all fronts at the moment to guide his people to the promised land.

            since non of us can read the future, I am not prepared to list his wrong doing or otherwise that will happen.
            Since I cannot get clean information about events that is happening now, I can only prey for him to have wisdom, courage and foresight to be successful in guiding his country through the storm.

            He has on his full plate pandemic, economy on titters, the Dam & Egypt, Trump, PIA and unrest in different part of the country plus things we don’t even know brewing is beyond just a hard job, the least I can do is support and prey for him.

            Mr. K.H

          • Sultan M.G.

            Kim;
            Why have you conveniently omitted the major culprit and obstacle to Dr AAA, the TPLF along with its opportunist puppets and mercenaries!?
            To my best knowledge,PIA has ONLY protected him and your fragile Ethiopia from disintegrating .
            If you hate PIA for targeting the TPLF, well, what do you expect him to do against the same TERRORIST Junta , who did beyond its capacity fully supported by its ill-informed Neo-Colonialists to the extent of close to destroying Eritrea and the Regime itself?

            If the TPLF has applied any and every possible means under the sun to kill PIA and Eritrea, not just to change the regime by all means possible, can’t PIA have that same “ right” and even OBLIGATION to defend himself and even pay back the TPLF in kind by “ ALL MEANS POSSIBLE”?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Sultan M.G,

            As you know PMAA’s PHD is in conflict resolution. I have confidence that he will resolve the differences between him and TPLF in due course.
            You speak as if you have a complete and true information about everybody.

            The only individual I have enough information about is PIA. To be honest with you, I didn’t like him yesterday, I don’t like him today and I am sure I will not like him tomorrow.
            You seem to support him in whatever he is doing. I am sure whatever it is, he is up to no good. You can take that to the bank.

            It is a little embarrassing for a leader of a country to behave as if he is a “Killil” chief of Ethiopia. 30 years it has been since he left. Whatever he touches turns bad.
            Why don’t you, Sultan, focus on PIA and do “ALL MEANS POSSIBLE” instead of conveniently blaming others for all his bad doings.

            Mr. K.H

          • Sultan M.G.

            Kim:
            U skipped my question!
            Why are you saving out or omitting the TPLF, the major culprit and obstacle to Dr AAA and his constructive Agenda on Ethiopia?
            Coz you don’t know anything about the TPLF?
            I don’t talk as if I know about everything and about everyone!
            I just asked you a question.
            Don’t act as if I didn’t say the worst about our own despot!
            I can’t just focus on our despot when the TPLF is doing way beyond my despot against Eritrea and Eritreans!
            U act like the Pseudo-Eritrean opposition!
            Welcome to the club!
            It is so funny that you are against PIA, who is doing his best to save Ethiopia and Ethiopians, which we have known well since 50 yrs!
            It just confirms the allegation that I r an undercover Weyanay!.. in the name of a ShewaN Amhara, a typical WeyAne Cadre tactic!

          • Paulos

            Selam A. Osman,

            Abiy as you have alluded to is the wrong person at the wrong time and for the wrong calling for he could have better suited on the pulpit instead.

            He is neither Mengistu nor Meles for he lacks the former’s resolve and the latter’s brains.

            Here is something to consider: In 1978, the Russians concluded that Mengistu was not the kind of guy they had in mind when they designed a grander geopolitical scheme when they planned to create a united Communist block in the Horn but Mengistu turned out to be an arrogant guy who lacks not only intellectual acumen with an ideological stint but sophisticated traits as well. And they hatched a coup d’etat when they tried to smuggle in to Ethiopia a Me’Eson ideologue named Dr. Negede Gobezie from Europe with a Yemeni Passport.

            The Russians relegated the dirty work to the Cubans but Mengistu who was endowed with an extraordinary ability of sensing danger knew that something was up and not right. When he found out and was sure about what was coming to him, he expelled the entire Cuban diplomatic corps from Ethiopia including the Russians as well. That is resolve and understanding danger and the essence of time as well. Later on the Russians and the Cubans apologized and conducted business in his own terms.

            Isaias had always wanted to see Meles as a puppet if not a junior partner to the extent of controlling the Ethiopian economy but Meles drew a line when Isaias wanted to float Naqfa on par with Birr but Meles insisted on using a letter of credit particularly at the border. Isaias felt insulted and disrespected and subsequently invaded Tigrai on May 12, 1998. Isaias was defeated. For the next twenty years, Meles shrewdly and armed with a diplomatic finesse turned Isaias into a Leper Colony.

            And here you have Abiy who has fallen onto Isaias’ charm where the latter’s security and intelligence are roaming Addis at will to the extent of getting guidance from Isaias on how to run the country particularly in this volatile and tense time. The question is, what would either Mengistu or Meles have done if they were in Abiy’s current predicament? It is pretty clear!

          • NewDawn

            Selam paulus,so convinient of you to forgot the invasion of eritrean territory in 1997 in adi murug by ethiopia right around the time of which nakfa was being introduced. You really are a tplf cadre .

          • Paulos

            NewDawn,

            The world had given its verdict saying that Isaias invaded and that is what matters not your ህዘባዊ መኸተ ሃጠው-ቀጠው!

          • NewDawn

            Selam paulos, the verdict doesnt give the full picture, nor does it fully back your claims that isaias woke up one day and decided to invade and in an attempt to show tplf who’s the boss . It was a hostile situation created by tplf killing unarmed eritrean civilians, producing fake maps that encroached on eritrean territories and went as as to to put it up on their currencies. And invaded eritrean territories let’s not forget, to show eritreans that they shouldn’t dare decide what their currency should be. Your bias is showing.

          • Paulos

            Yea sure thing brother. Sure thing.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            You are expected to shoot back !
            This is a debate!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam NewDawn,

            The real reasons were not Badme, Adi Murug or Nakfa non-currency ‘currency’. These are all pretexts. Do not look for complicated answers.

            In Eritrea: the top leadership were bored with civilian life, the mundane tasks of 9 to 5 in the office. They were also waking up to the reality of resource shortage in Eritrea.

            In the Tigray region: there were hot-heads among the local leadership. They wanted to teach a lesson to Eritreans who looked down on them and threw insults at them with name calls. Petty stuff, really.

            Also: Both groups were taking advantage of the Ethiopian economy, using underhand methods.

            The USA was cosying up to both EPLF and TPLF and vice versa.

            The two groups were competing against each other, trying to impress the USA as to who is top-dog in the region.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Simon;
            Your analysis is typical of an IQ60 dude!
            You have no moral ground to tell us about the dream and grand ambitions of the TPLF!

            -Yep, the financial sabotage by the TPLF for Eritrea to lose billions of birr worth of $2 billion after the the introduction of the nacfa currency was a big deal

            -Yes, Nacfa Currency is/was a WMD yo the TPLF and a serious threat and a lost opportunity for the TPLF for not halting it!

            -Yes, Adi Nurug Invasuokn has a serious implication for the grand ambition for the TPLF JUNTA

            -And yes, the creation of a Great Tigrai Republic Map incorporating a junk of Eritrean Territories was a big and unprecedented dangerous dream and provocation

            -Indeed, the final and devastating invasion of Eritrea by the TPLF either to reverse the Eri Independence when possible , if not to capture Aseb was a long term plan by the same narrow- minded and and shortsighted opportunist backstabbing TPLF, facts your can not refute or challenge since same TPLF declared it openly!

            Dude,try to wear your proper shoe size!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hopeless,

            You have progressed well, jobs wise.

            From Addis Ababa Weyala to a USA Ambulance driver.

            Great analysis, a cadre narrative straight from PFDJ’s mouth.

            Not much progress here. Do not crash the Ambulance!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ayte Ye Tigrai Simon:
            Refute the fact Mr. IQ60!
            You sound like the two Fame Mekele Univ Students” analyzing on the future of Eritrea and Eritreans!
            I see you are expressing overtly your psychological trauma of a failed human being!
            May God have mercy on you!
            Just don’t be surprised if one day this “Ambulance Driver” saves your life or that of your loved one!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hopeless,

            What is the upper limit of a Weyala IQ?

            You make a lot of noise like an empty barrel.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ayte Simon:
            Dude, listen Ya Kezab Nai Kezaben,here is my final word to you and to your certain” Mehandis” buddy:
            No body forced you at gun point to read or listen to my noises!
            Would you be so kind to put aside your mumbo- jumbo nonsense about my intellectual background and credentials, please?
            You have NO CLUE who I might be or about my over all background.
            That mumbo- jumbo talk only confirms your low IQ… like your boss with 4-6th grade IQ, messing up the Great America !

            I ONLY reacted to your rotten and nonsensical comments , not about your credentials or intellectual background !

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hope-less,

            Leave America to the Americans. Concentrate on spread betting on failed State Eritrea.

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,
            According to your logic, future leaders aspired to have a resolve trait as Mengistu had one. Africa has not only endowed with natural resources but have the biggest state employer: the military. Any village idiot, unemployed and most likely illiterate could easily join an army. It has produced the highest number of butchers in the world. We had Samuel Doe, Idi Amin, and Mengistu. All these low-lives have one thing in common: suffer from inferiority due to race, class or upbringing. Mengistu was not clever when he murdered his opponent but had suffered from paranoia. Only a person who suffers from paranoia could justify when he killed his neighbours for no reason. They are all ganging up to kill up. I read their intention and mind and hence I was clever.

            Never mind, your wish for Ethio might be fulfilled as there are many millions like him out there. In fact, you may have something in common with ESAT chaps. They are craving for the return of Mengistu. They are agitating ABIY to follow Mengistu’s trait
            and murder millions of people on the name of unity and territorial integrity.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam David,

            All facts indicate that Mengistu is a coward. All of his killings are preemptive. He shows resolve when he has a bottle of Gin or Areke in his hands.

            A striking similarity with Isaias.

          • David Samson

            Selam Simon,

            An absolute one!
            There are few facts which emerged after the coward had settled down in the suburb of Harare:

            He was grooming his brother— fast-tracked to acquire a PhD— it smells Mugabe’s wife.

            He arranged his departure months before anyone was trying to guess what his next move would be.

            He secretly invited one of Mugabe’s minister and had discussed his escape. The meeting was attended by his translator.

            We do not know how much millions he sniffed away, but it could be Billions.

            He felt out with confide, his cousin, who subsequently died in Zimbabwe.

            How do we equate an absolute coward with resolute is beyond me? I need to take a shower.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            We do not know how much millions he sniffed away, but it could be Billions.

            I don’t know the “Billions” dollars Ethiopians manage to steal from their country. In 1991 Ethiopia GDP was about 12 Billion….if we assume 2 Billions Mengistu stole, that’s around 20 percent of the GDP…

            Some time we hear the TPLF stole 10 billions as well…

            I don’t know if we counting the grains of coffee or actual dollars.

            Operation Solomon costed Israel to pay the Ethiopian dictator 26 million dollars. I heard Mengistu took around 10 million…that’s more credible to me…

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            It could be anybody guess. I was referring to Birr, not USA dollars. Even Billions of dollars is not far fetched. Dictators own the national bank of their subject. We do not know how much dollars were in Ethio bank during his terror. Ethios do not even know to this day how much HS had stashed away in a Swiss bank. No one knows for sure How much Abache had stolen. It could be between 4-15 billion dollars.

            The money was paid by Robert Maxwell. It was estimated to be around £35m. Robert was a media mogul who owned one of the top British’s tabloids, The Daily Mirror. He is an Easter European jew. He served in the British army and was a Labour MP. He was found dead on a sea and the cause of his death is still open. While we are at it, his daughter just being arrested in the USA for her link with the pedo Jeffery who found hanged himself in a prison in New York.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            If it’s in Ethiopian birr still that’s a lot of money. I don’t believe there were any billionaires at the time let alone a poor country which was on war for all the dictator existence.

            The whole Soviet military loan the Derg accumulated amounted to few billions dollars at the time. I remember Ethiopia debt was forgiven (may be few billions of dollars).

            I am not trying to held you accountable but it seems to me our numbers seem to be very exaggerated. Even 10 million dollars for pure countries go a long way.

            In any case, my point is, billion of dollars is a huge amount of money and let alone to steal that much, I don’t think there is any means for the countries to actually have that much (in foreign exchange).

            On a different note, I listed to the interview of Ahmed AlQeysi on Assena. If you can please listen and would like to hear your opinion about.

            I find him fascinating.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            I disagree!

            You have not taken into account all the aid funds and loans that
            were not channelled through the known channels. Let’s take IA. If you merely look at Eritrea’s GNP, there is not much to be stolen. But how about all the fiancé from the Arabs which probably was paid into his account. We know how much the Sudanese received from the Saudis for supporting the war in Yemen. We do not know how much IA got. As I said IA owns Eritrea PLC

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            I am not disagreeing with you, Eritrea is IA pocket. Ethiopia however, even under Derg and Mengistu was not like Eritrea today. The Derg had budget, it paid institutions, it paid public servants, it paid pension, it provided loans, etc. it operated like a lot of countries in third world.

            I think the most waste was in the military and on the war front but it’s airlines, it’s banks, it’s education system, hospitals all operated normally.

            Sure there was some probably stolen but not to the extent we seem to exaggerate.

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Selam Paulos,

            You are a history buff, keep on connecting events, we need such analysis.

            The question is, what would either Mengistu or Meles have done if they were in Abiy’s current predicament? It is pretty clear!

            It is pretty clear what the two would do, that is Abey achilles heel. If he acts decisively, he wins temporarily, but will be doom too. Doing nothing it not also an option either, a catch 22 of sort. But so far he has managed to neutralise enemies with sweet words, maybe suitable for the pulpit, if it prevents blood shedding, who would not want it. Hopefully he has more tricks under his sleeves as Ethiopia needs it.

            Do you think Ethiopia needs a benevolent dictator? I am sensing that you want such firm leader as the ethnic division is not conducive to building a democratic order.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Paulos

            Selam A. Osman,

            As you know one can not breath out politics without inhaling history. But of course, understanding history critically devoid of biases and prejudices puts one on a firm ground no matter how inconvenient it might be.

            Ethiopia as you know is not a Nation-State but a Multi-National State instead and it was lack of understanding this critical nub that had set the nation onto the wrong course when its former leaders particularly the last Emperor was more pronounced into. Prior to 1907, for instance, Ethiopia was two-thirds what it is today but Emperor Menilik delusional that he became after the victory in Adwa felt on par with the Colonial powers who had just came out of the “Berlin Conference–Scramble for Africa” and went on invading and subjugating peoples, nations and nationalists in the fertile South which later became the Ethiopia we know today–Ethiopia under one King, one Language and one Proto-Cultural sphere as well. The make believe was later on replaced with a national ethos of ህብረተ-ሰበኣዊነት under the banner of ኢትዮጵያ ትቅደም ያለ ምንም ደም when a military junta rode the mantle of power but still, the junta also failed to undo the historic injustice Menilik had inflicted on the nation.

            In 1991, the coalition of political forces seemed to have found the elixir at long last when the forces designed a Constitution that gives the peoples, nations and the nationalities autonomous power and rights to use their respective languages, enrich their cultures and own their economic resources as well to the extent of breaking away from Ethiopia-Proper if the need arises to opt out. To be fair, the arrangement worked when it was dubbed “Ethnic Based Federalism.” Again, it worked precisely because the people who designed the Constitution had a firm grasp and sense of history as well. In the meantime however, it set a course of State led Capitalism which brought out the nation of abject and chronic poverty. The rosy picture came at a price when the coalition of forces got eroded from with in with cronyism, corruption till it fell apart of its own doing. Thing is, the malady is not with in the nature of the Constitutional arrangement but in the corrupt nature of the people who run it. Abiy however, missed the diagnosis and faulted the prognosis as well when he tactically and strategically allied with forces who are historic enemies of the nation floating in an optical illusion.

            In my opinion, the way forward is, preserve the Constitution, pick up on State led Capitalism and work on clean governance based on strong political institutions. And creat alliance with foreign powers based on the best possible interest of the Ethiopian people.

          • Samuel

            Selam A. Osman,
            When you get a chance try to read an article titled “The Future of Ethiopia: Developmental State or Political Marketplace?” the author of the article is Alex de Waal, the executive director of the World Peace Foundation and a research professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

            He has known Meles Zenawi since 1988 till his death 2012, he has done various discussions with MZ over the years, in this article he tries to assess the change that happened in 2018 in Ethiopia, he tries to analyze what is happening now and what may happen in the near future. The title of the article it is very telling. The article has both a summary and detailed version, the detailed version is about 19 pages. It is very interesting read, you will like it.

            He argues that if Ethiopia ceases Developmental State it will turn into political marketplace. He also argues — PM Abiy is also unclear as to the theory of democracy and developmentalism that impels his institutional reforms. Dismantling institutions because they are unpopular is a tactic not a strategy.

            Part of his intro he says —
            “The rationale for this paper is that these two frameworks, the developmental state and the political marketplace, offer analytical insights that are important for understanding Ethiopia today. ”

            Part of his interview:- This is where Abiy failed badly.
            MZ: — We are considering making the EPRDF into a single unified national party. This would be a logical step, but it needs to be taken at the correct time with all the necessary preparation.

            Thanks,

          • A.Osman

            Thanks Samuel, I had a quick scan but did not get time to read the full document. I will certainly read it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Samuel,

            One of the advantages of visiting this forum is the participants themselves educate us and also point in a direction of relevant sources of information.

            I did look up the article you recommended and printed it. I have to read it again. The author Professor Alex de Waal prepared and presented an excellent paper that I will join you in recommending.

            Thanks again,

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            There is always a silver lining to every misfortune, dictatorship being exactly that, a misfortune. For example, Hitler built the autobahn in Germany. Other dictators may have done other things. Nevertheless, dictators are not known for the few things they have done, but for the crimes they have committed, and for the many things they could have done and they did not do.
            None of the people you mentioned above left behind a stable country so that the future Ethiopian generations could live in peace and prosperity. When they left they brought back the country to square one.
            It is really difficult to be grateful about these men. There is always this question, could somebody else have done better? Or could they have done much better? The answer is a big Yes. What Ethiopia needs is to think ahead and not backwards, to salvage what is to be salvaged and move forward. Ethiopia owes nobody nothing. All of them said they came to serve her. Instead, they explored her and left behind chaos and misfortune.
            Is Ethiopia immune today from disintegration to be grateful to these men? I don’t think so.
            Who benefited from the economic changes, the feudals, the so called Communists, those intoxicated with racial superiority complex, or the ordinary Ethiopian. In my opinion they were all a curse to this poor country. Uncertainty continues to rule in Ethiopia today, because of these people.
            Here comes a man who wants to be different. He is accused for being an Ethiopianist and unionist, because he wants the continuation of the country called Ethiopia. He is being fought from all directions. They are trying to burn the country to evict him from power. They are standing with the enemy of Ethiopia at one of her worst moments, when Egypt is beating the drums of war.
            Whoever trades with the disintegration of Ethiopia, will not live in peace, whether it is tplf or oromo ultra nationalists. There will be a fire that will burn everybody. Either they float together or drown together. The power hungry elites should manage to put this fact in to their thick heads.
            Finally, those who call us woyane, they are either mentally deranged or they have sold their souls to woyane. No political party is equal to Ethiopia and the Ethiopian people. They serve both, I applaud them. They serve themselves and their groups, I damn them. It is as simple as that. I owe nobody nothing.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam KH,

            I regret to disagree with you on Mengistu.

            The initial failure of the Ethiopian army during the Somali invasion was self inflicted.

            Inferiority complex driven Mengistu arrested every officer in the Ethiopian army who graduated from the Harar Military Academy, and got them shot at Menelik palace by firing squad in one night and buried in a mass grave. The Ethiopian Army did not have its talented and experienced officer class.

            Paranoid uncle Joe Stalin also eliminated the cream of the Red army officers [tortured and killed], ignored information from Richard Sorge [the greatest spy ever] and the Red army suffered heavy defeat during Hitler’s Operation Barbarossa.

            But, unlike Ethiopia, Russia has depth in talent, material resources and territory. Ethiopia was saved through Cuban and Soviet help.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            I disagree with myself sometimes about Mengistu. I read a book he authored few years ago and came out realizing how a low grade human being he was, self aggrandizing and all.

            After everything is said and done, what happened happened under his watch. Luck or other conversion of events contributed and led Ethiopia to stay in tact at least in the southern front under his leadership.
            We can speculate others might have done it or some other scenario. At the end of it all he successfully repelled an invasion to dismember Ethiopia with all the normal aggregate enemies (Egypt…Anwar Sadat) when Ethiopia was at its lowest point.
            I stand with what I said while my respect for you has grown.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            simon
            didn’t read fully what u said.
            But i want to say this, under mengestu the people ( i said the people) of ambo, shashemene, woleso , most part of south ethiopia and so on fell so proud ethiopians and they were ethiopian first and proud of it.

          • Girma

            Selam Horizon,

            First, your perception is not complete. To my recollection, Abiy’s relationship with tplf became uncongenial after his visit to America and decisively deteriorated after he became Isaias’s best friend.

            Recall what he said about tplf, Meles and the people of Tigray during his first visit as a PM to the region.

            He was heavily attacked on social media because of his uttered great deal of praise. What followed was the coordinated assault in state and private media against tplf.

            The swing in his attitude towards tplf indicates that Abiy has certainly come under the great influence of the radical groups.

            Second, to accuse tplf for the relationship to the groups you listed is hypocritical. Who brought these groups back to Ethiopia? who organized a state reception for them ? who provided them with government funds ? They were all hailed as part of the so-called change and devotee of Abiy.

            The rift came due to Abiy’s attempt to abolish the constitution and violate the sovereignty of the regions.

            To expect from tplf officials to be holier than thou and avoid cooperation with groups that share their position on constitutional order in Ethiopia is ridiculous. Why shouldn’t they do that? Abiy works with Isaias for whatever reason, and you expect tplf to avoid working with parties that are legally registered in Ethiopia and are running for parliamentary and government posts ?
            hey what’s up sir ?

            It is common knowledge that olf was part of the constitutional committee when the current constitution was drafted. In this regard, the cooperation between tplf and olf is not an option, but mandatory.

          • Selam Girma,
            You are saying nothing new. Abiy is not HMD, and ethiopians do not want to be ruled under tplf dictatorship. You people do not want to understand this fact. They revolted, and with a lot of sacrifice they manage to make tplf dictatorship history. Case closed.
            Tplf doesn’t want to examine another alternative, that of working with the people for change, because change in Ethiopia means change against tplf dictatorship. It has chosen to remain on the wrong side of history. It is its choice.
            However you paint with black colors the present government, the majority of ethiopians are on its side. The people know that it is the few reactionaries who lost their personal interests that are wrecking havoc. It is a temporary problem. No doubt ethiopia will get over it, and she will come out winner.
            The last event showed the extent to which the enemies of ethiopia will go to destabilize her.
            Tplf thinks that its problem is one man, Abiy, and it has failed to understand that except the few sell out who are in prison today, the majority of ethiopians are on the side of reform

          • Girma

            Selam Horizon,

            There is a saying :-

            “ከነብርና ከአንበሳ ማን ይበልጣል ቢሉት ዝሆንን የሚያህል የለም አለ”

            You have completely missed the thread.

          • Desbele

            Selam Samuel,
            This is not the first political assassination in Ethiopia. Gen.Seare , Gen Abera, Eng.Simegnew all in Addis and Dr. Ambachew in Bahirdar were murdered in broad light. PM himself escaped assassination attempt. In all cases ,’TPLF’ was dubbed the culprit without going through the rigors of problem diagnosis /investigation. In a circular argument , one cant arrive in a new conclusion.Only a hasty generalization without sufficient evidence to support it. How easy , how lazy! Both in Eritrean and Ethiopian cases no solution is in sight unless a painful self critique is made instead of diversions from core issues. Especially for Eritrea where the enemy is so visible to deny. The enemy for Eritrea , as Saay articulate in his recent article, are Isaias the dictator and NNNN (Nihina Nisu Nisu Nihna) cultists.
            Eritreans,an attempt to divert blame, only distracts from the initial problem and prolong suffering of our people. Fight Isaias!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Desbele:
            Why are you saving out the TPLF, if I may ask, the mothre of all killers and Assassins?
            U forgot the Assassination attempt of Gen Sibhat Efrem!
            I guess u thought it was the work of PIA.
            We should fight both !

          • Desbele

            Sultan,
            I dont have information ‘TPLF’ indicted on the assassination attempt of Gen. Sibhat. Evidence please.
            There is a reason for me to fight DIA : Justice for G-15 & journalists (one of them a classmate in UoA), justice for Patriarch Antonios, Justice for the five monks detained from Debrebizen(one of them my close relative), justice for Ciham Ali. Note that i only mentioned those we all agree are in prison. But there are thousands others in dungeons without trial , without verdict.
            Now, give me reason to fight ‘TPLF’?

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ayte Desbele
            Are you serious that u don’t have any reason to fight the TPLF?

          • Desbele

            Sultan,
            It seems you can not list one . I will continue the reason for me to fight DIAs cruel dictatorship. For rule of law and constitutional governance. For freedom of religion and justice for those incarcerated because of their faith Ex. I personally know the three Medhanie Alem church faith leaders in prison for more than 12yrs – Dr Fitsum, Dr Tekeab, Keshi G/medhin. For economic freedom – no exploitation of labour in the name of national service. Come with your list , by the way I am from planet earth. Sorry , i cant buy DIAs go to the moon for rule of law. Rule of law can and will prevail in Eritrea

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selam Desbele,
            This guy, Sultan/Hope, is a typical hgdf that he writes one line that states he oppose hgdf and 3 pages insulting the opposition. I have no respect for this kind of people.
            ኣብ ሓሸውየ ንምእታው ‘ዩ ዕላማኦም። ካብ ልኡኻት ‘ንታይ ትጽበ? ሸንደሓዮ።

          • Desbele

            Selam Mehands,
            Absolutely true. No need to waste time with sycophants.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            Hopeless loves spread betting. He is a tricky Weyala, but you can still spot him from miles away.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Simon,
            They sound the same and I used to suspect it could be just one person, with sole [not single] cell 🙂

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Simon/Trump Jr :
            And u r what Mr IQ60?

          • Nitricc

            MG; wait till late afternoon to talk to Simon. Give him the time to take his medication and starting to work. otherwise, he suffers from bipolar and mental illness. Please have a sympathy for him, take it easy.

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            As you can see they are all out of touch. It is futile to make them understand the reality on the ground. They will never get it. And in the meantime, Isaias keeps scr*wing them like there is no tomorrow.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            a known cadre horizon blamed everybody but not ………, it says a lot. not just u though, the east, the 360 and all direct and indirect gov controlled medias said same thing.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            Getachew Asefa of Tplf ( AKA Paulos of Awate ) wants him dead.

          • Girma

            Selam Horison,

            In his last interview, Hachalu told his interviewer that he is seriously concerned about the tendencies of returning back to a totalitarian one-man dictatorship in the Country, and the attempts to undermine the right of Nations and Nationalities to self-determination.

            Jawar, in all of his media appearances in recent weeks, beside qualifing himself as a staunch defender of the Constitution and the Federal arrangement, has also repeatedly demanded, all member Parties in X Eprdf to admit their share in the atrocities committed. He said it is time to stop blaming tplf for everything.
            He even highlighted the GERD as Melese’s great Legacy and saluted him for that. He said he never questioned the integrity of Meles regarding Ethiopian interest.

            According to Abiy’s own testimony, both were his close friends, at least when both were the leaders of the Kerro movement who fought against tplf led government and as a result, paved the way for him to take office.
            meanwhile, we all know what abiy is aspiring for, and apparently this two guys doesn’t share his Ambitions. Hence they are obstacles on his way to become an Emperor.

            In my humble opinion, these guys are no longer a threat to tplf, but they do have the potential to salinize Abiy the soup.

            I know many, in this group consider tplf invisible in action and endowed with divine power. But hey, why kill those young potential allies who can gather an incredible number of people behind them to preserve the Constitution and the federal system ? the project for which tplf paid immeasurable blood ? as far as I know, safeguarding the constitutional order in Ethiopia is for tplf non negotiable. Hence number one priority.

            My dear friend, slowly but surely your analysis is becoming a rampage.

          • Paulos

            Selam Girma,

            I am afraid you are in the wrong Forum. This Forum is for absolutely dumb people myself included that is but of course many thanks for the visit which has made us feel smart.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Every once in a while when you don’t like what’s being discussed, you go on this zeragito mode and you try to spoil for everyone.

            Girma has made a very good point and valid argument why you have to short circuit him and implicating “wrong forum”, where there are people like you who are defending TPLF day and night.

            I never heard about this singer before, and I never heard his songs let alone his political stand.

            What I comment is that you and Samuel jumping to implicate IA and Eritrea for this death. (You wrote: IA has his security forces in Abiy, how do you know).

            What could he possibly benefit by seeing the crisis in Ethiopia? How would that benefit Eritrea? Fighting the Ethiopian government (like EPRDF / Melles) by supporting Ethiopians that can weaken the government is a fair game (Ethiopia was doing the same) but now that he is in good terms with the Ethiopian government, why would he gets involved to harm the government.

            If Abiy government wants, why should it involve Eritrea.

            Have you seen those two agazian attack dogs claiming Eritreans, saying about the death of the singer.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Ustaz Berger:
            This is not a rickety science!
            The CRYSTAL CKESR and Simple message :
            To create enmity and animosity between Eritreans and the Oomos by implicating Eritrea to the death of the young Artist!
            This a gross modus operand of “The TPLF and its Toxic propaganda since zemene innini!
            We can’t sit back and relax and just try to be nice,diplomatic and reconciliatory with such kind of a devil and metastatic cancer!
            We Eritreans have a legit and a serious obligation not only to defend our selves and sovereignty but to take a swift action to bury down this dangerous and unprecedented move STAT/ NOW!

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            Some people hold conservative views and they are intolerant to a different opinion than there’s. Sometimes, people who say a lot may in fact say nothing, although they think that their opinion is indisputable and indispensable. That is a problem one faces when the opposite opinion is not tolerated.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Now the allegation that Eritreans killed the Oromo Artist has gone viral through the toxic TMH!
            They even aired it in Amharic through an “Oromo Journalist”…

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            You have caught who is here to spread the rumours of IA / Eritrea involvement her.

            What’s TMH anyway? Is it a TV station or just YouTube channel.

            Like they say, people who live in glass house should not throw stones.

            TPLF created good Internet penetration and they are more susceptible to disinformation.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You don’t know what TMH is?
            You are really slow:)
            It is Tigray Media House.
            I’m always ahead of you:)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You are ahead by one day.

            I was asking if it’s a tv channel or is it a youtube channel. Ok, I searched and it looks like youtube channel but they are saying now they started satellite channel as well. 56 K subscribers..

            Berhe

          • Girma

            Selam Paulos,

            With due respect, I disagree with your verdict on the quality of the discussion in this forum.

            It would be unfair for me not to appreciate the many erudite participants in this group, from whom I have learned a lot.
            I am grateful for the many compelling analyzes on this forum, including yours.

            Most of what I know about COVID-19 now comes from your explanation of the virus here on the forum.

            “ለምጣዱ ሲባል አይጧ ትለፍ” is my attitude towards others.

          • David Samson

            Selam Girma,

            Either I have not come across the quote, or as my Amharic has been getting rusty, it might have skipped from my radar. It is one of the most and at times over-quoted in Tigrigna lexicon. As far as I know, አይጧ has been getting the upper hand over us since the 1940s and might have created its clone of infinity. Unless we found a cure for it, eventually it might consume us. I am only referring to the አይጧ from Eritrea though.

          • Girma

            Selam Samson,

            I understand you, Quotes don’t provide adequate solutions to all eventualities, but they admonish us to rethink our actions thoroughly.

            The above quotation means in Amharic, let it pass if your stove will suffer as a result of the hunt for the rat. It ia an Advice, to find another way to deal with the rat without demolishing your Oven.

          • Paulos

            Selam Girma,

            Many thanks for those kind words. Certainly I was being sarcastic for what you pointed out in your earlier comment was spot on but for a reason I fail to grasp, others who are otherwise erudite can not see it.

            All indices indicate that Ethiopia rose from the ashes and the moral of the people was resurrected but the reading of many people in this Forum is the reverse when they echo የሃያ ሰባት ዓመት የጨለማ ዘመን. And that was precisely the reason that I said, you are too intelligent and smart for the Forum.

            TPLF has become a daily punching bag for particularly Eritreans in this Forum who claim to be Opposition when TPLF never wavered on its stand on Eritrean independence. Moreover, TPLF is still receiving hundreds of Eritreans who are fleeing Isaias’ Eritrea when they are provided with college opportunities among others. The other day, a complete idiot guy went into his racist rampage and accused the Tigreans of raiding parts of Eritrea but he put aside the fact that the man who is supposed to be an icon of the Eritrean revolution, Hamid Idris Awate raided and pillaged the Kunamas, Baryas and Hammasiens for years. Moreover, the same idiot guy accused Tigreans of being untrustworthy with a twisted psych but again he put aside the fact that in the 1940s, Eritreans back stabbed and cunnived against each other when Eritrea’s fate was uncertain right after Italy was defeated.. Again, that is precisely the reason I said, you are too smart and sophisticated for this Forum.

          • Abi

            Paul
            No one is too smart and sophisticated to fit into this forum.

            I totally agree with you when it comes to Hamid Idris Awate. He was a lowlife ሽፍታ.

          • Girma

            Selam Paulos,

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

            Of course I understood what you meant, but እግረመንገዴን I took the opportunity to say what I wanted to say, even so it really doesn’t fit the subject. Also a lesson i learned in this forum 😉.

            I have given up once and for all to wonder why people think the way they think.
            Apparently some people don’t need any rationale for their mindset. What makes this deficiency even more damaging is the terrifying high number of such individuals among the Habesha “Educated”.

            Just take Meles for as example.

            He was damned in Ethiopia because people assumed he is too compliant towards Eritrea. Eritreans hate him because in their opinion Meles is responsible for their misery more than their own President.

            I mean, how can you sort that out? It’s frustrating, but it is like it is.

            The attitude towards tplf also follows the same pattern. All political groups were united when they mobbed tplf out of the central power, now the same people fall on each other’s hair and again blame tplf for their bad behavior.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Girmawi Girma,

            I am glad you two (Paulos) managed to fine tune the wave length and come to an understanding.

            On the matter of dissonance that is going on, I was reminded in my own experience of 1968–1970 at a University in U.S. That was when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated. There was civil disobedience, people were looting and burning down their own neighborhoods. In class rooms there was a demand for Black American History class (there was), black Psychology that quickly morphed in to Black Physics, Black Chemistry and Black Math.
            I try to participate by asking questions. The more they found the questions hard to answer the more they turned insane on Moi.
            I thought a whole lot of unlikely bunch of people have gone insane except me and that was not a comfortable position to be in. I didn’t budge but at the time I credited my discomfort to cultural shock.

            That same old feeling is coming back to me in 2020. Perhaps there is some merit to that phenomena of mass hysteria and concepts like that.
            I see it in Americans and I see it in Ethiopians. The new technology made everyone a potential television anchor newsman in his/her own right and in his/her own studio apartment.

            Reality being what it is, I am sure it will overcome all the make believe movies everyone is peddling.
            It is also true some people have to hold the torch high so that everyone can see where they are marching.

            Mr. K.H

          • Girma

            Selam Kim Hanna,

            Thanks for the kind words. I actually do not deserve to be brought up to the same level with smart people like Paulos, even though I’m Girmawi😎 But it feels good.

            As you aptly put it, Modern technology besides its enormous benefits, has also enabled the pied piper to easily convey their strange views to a large audience. The amount of those who blindly follow them is also alarmingly large.

            I can only encourage everyone to follow Immanuel Kant’s dictum “Have the courage to use your own mind”.

          • Selam Germa,

            Hachalu had also said that his life is in danger from tplf. His songs were abhorred by tplf, because they were a call for the people to rise up against tplf dictatorial rule, which finally deposed tplf from power and sent it to its small corner. At the age of 17 he was thrown into a tplf dungeon in ambo. Tplf has every reason to hate him.
            Jawar is an opportunist, a political scavenger, who could betray anybody and sleep with his old enemies for the sake of political gain. He wants tplf to become his Trojan horse to power, and likewise, tplf has the same plan of using him. Two scoundrels in the same room, we will see the outcome of their unholy cooperation.
            Jawar is not a trustworthy politician. He is an oromo ultra nationalist, an Islamist extremist and a power hungry individual. He will betray anybody, and i think that the Ethiopian PM will not trust him even for a second.
            The tplf Constitution and ethnic federalism, are the only political cards tplf has to play anymore. Tplf knows that it can’t defend both from its small corner. Therefore, the only way there is for tplf is to cause chaos, unrest and political upheaval to be able to fish for power in the muddy waters that would result by bringing oromos and amharas against each other. Hachalu, a well known and loved oromo singer if assassinated could put Ethiopia on fire. Hence why he was chosen.
            The signs were there. Digital woyane had said, wait for an event that will make the GERD a secondary issue. The government was waiting for the assassination of a politician and not an oromo artist.
            What is there tplf could do if the Ethiopian people decide to vote for a new constitution or make constitutional amendment or bring a new type of federation? Is it going to enforce it with force, when you say that these are non negotiable for tplf?

          • Girma

            Selam Horizon,

            In brief, making GERD a secondary issue is not a tplf agenda. GERD is Abiy’s Dilema, he has promised something somewhere and now has difficulties keeping what he promised to his sponsors.

            Ethiopians are waiting for the dam to be filled up next week.

            just out of curiosity, why do you think that it is in the interest of tplf that GERD disappears from public attention.

          • Selam Girma,

            Abiy has promised something somewhere can’t be a topic for discussion.
            You should ask the person who posted it and those behind him, why he said that the gerd will be a secondary issue compared to what was going to happen in ethiopia, just a day or two before the assassination. He is a tplf journalist, a digital woyane.
            Tplf wants this government to fail in everything it undertakes. It doesn’t want to see peace and stability in the country, because it can’t imagine itself far from country-wide and exploitative authoritarian power. If it can’t bring down the government by itself, then it will use any means available to bring about its failure, social and political unrest, and thus create a disorganized and chaotic country where it could sneak in and hold power, using of course oromo ultra nationalists, the so-called federalists. This is its remaining hope.
            As to the assassination of the oromo artist, the deputy mayor of addis was saying that the aim was to make the city another baghdad. Fortunately, it failed. Moreover, the president of oromia is pointing a finger at olf-shenee and tplf, saying that they are behind the singer’s death. We will hear more in the coming days. Of course, no one is going to accept responsibility.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            ur crocodile tears and ur pathetic bla bla aside, every body knows tplf wants to dismantle ethiopia from the beginning, every body knows including most of those oromo protesters who rejected ethiopia as a country, those oromo youth that u saw protesting the last 3-4 days were against tplf agenda of dismantling ethiopia.
            but u hodames in a celebration of tplf already dismantled ethiopia by embolden the ethnic nationalist and discouraging the ethiopian nationalist.
            u guys r as bad as tplf, maybe worst, if it is not for the military, ethiopia is already dismantled because of ur kinds idois hodams, talking about gerd or any development is nonsense at this time when majority of ethiopians rejected ethiopia.
            most of those people family’s (fathers, big bros) that u saw protesting against ethiopia were the protectors of ethiopia not long ago, 20 -30 years ago. now they r not just protesting against the gov but against ethiopia because of u idoi hodams .

          • Teodros,
            The problem is that a mentally deranged and a psychopathic personality like you can come to a respected forum and manifest his hallucination. Buzz off, i have no time for delusional people like you. Find a cure or find your own type. It is so difficult for you to understand when you are ignored by almost everybody in this forum.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            the problem is u guys r hodam village idoi who think u know everything but u guys r “teraz netek” hodam idois ,that is the problem, the prove is every body can see it and i don’t expect any positive things from tplf supporters and hodam idois like u.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Girm:
            You have points but some are contradictory!
            None of my business as an Eritrean but for the sake of argument!
            Few facts you conveniently avoided:
            -The Artist contributed to Querro movement,which contributed to the removal of the TPLF
            – Dr AAAS is not an Angel ;and in fact, he has become a victim of his own making for his naive and hectic reconciliatory approaches and Naive and not well studied MEDDEMER approach( good intention with bad outcome )

            -The TPLF has remained the major obstacle to the reconciliation as peace process and to / for the functionI guess of the Federal Govt to the extent of openly declaring war on it besides not recognizing the Federal Govt

            -As such,The TPLF has contributed to the unrest and destabilization of the fragile nation, which is gross and obvious , which does not require investigation or extra evidence

          • Girma

            Selam Sultan M.G,

            Sir, I am not convinced of the thesis that tplf could have killed Hachalu. Why didn’t they kill him back then when he was a problem for them ?

            It doesn’t make sense to me.

            It is true that his death shakes Abiye’s throne, but that’s a short-lived episode, In the long run Hachalu is more valuable alive for those who want to dethrone Abiy.

            Regarding the u-turn of Jawar, what should i say ? There is no constant friend or foe in politics.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Ghirma :
            Correction:
            I did not say that the TPLF was behind the untimely and nonsensical death of the Artist; rather I advised and challenged others to slow down and avoid wild assumptions!
            I just brought a counter-argument alone logic to those who accused Dr AAA and PIA being responsible for the deathbed the artist.
            We had same unproductive and unconstructive argument about the death of the GERD Engineer …

            As a Politician challenged from right and left,Dr AAA (and his part and security)cannot be considered free this messy political turmoil leading to the death of the Artist ,politics being politics specially in the third world!
            As to your legit question about the TPLF not killing him before when they were able, the simple reason is if they were to kill him at that time, the entire TPLF Hand and. Oils have need massacred by the Brutal Querro Angry Gang or Mob”!
            On the same token, if we have to argue for the sake of it,it is not Rocket Science to suspect or implicate the TPLF Security Network for the death of the Artist, based on what the TPLF has been involved in destabilizing the Abiy Federal govt using all means, including declaring an open war on Dr AAA and his govt,
            As such, tgecTPLF might have used this opportunity of targeting the Artist so as to create havoc through sane Querro to destabilize the Abay Govt , which should not surprise us since that has been the modus opera day of the TPLF against the Aboy Govt.

            This incident could have been also a plot to create animosity between the Amhara and Oromos and create further chaos by implicating the Smhara for the deathbed the Artist.
            The TMH/ Gheza Tegaru has just sttarted another deadly and toxic propaganda implicating the involvement of “ The Eritreans” in the death of the Artist! The TMH chose deliberately the term “Eritreans” rather than the PFDJ Govt!
            It is so gross, obvious and crystal clear…!

            Dr Horizon brought up the three top possible case scenarios if u read his thread!
            I will add the fourth REMOTE case scenario that Aboy might have been involved if at all the Artist followed Jawar and Bekele Gherba in the defamatory campaign against Dr AAAA coz a joint campaign by Jawar abs the Artist will end the Abiy Era and his MEDDEMER Agenda and Oromia shall declare its long awaited Independence, which sounds an inevitable case scenario!

          • Girma

            Selam Sultan M.G,

            I am not trying to acquit tplf from all charges. But it is a universal requirement that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

            Tplf was blamed for the last two years almost for everything, the killings, deportations, distruction of properties and so on , but none proofs were presented to validate the claim.

            Everybody says “everyone knows that tplf is the culprit” but no one can provide a single evidence? how is that possible ?

            I know that tplf feels betrayed by the federal government and in particular by Abiy, and they may wish him to fail too. But this fact can only be seen as a motive, to convict someone you need more than a Motive. Meanwhile there are a lot who are waiting Abiy to leave the office.

            Didn’t you notice that of the so-called team there is none left ?

            What we have heard about tplf over the past 27 years is now being revised by the same victims who have accused tplf of torture.

            Eskinder Nega’s lawyer has reported that his mandate is being tortured and detained in harsh conditions.

            “Eskindir has never experienced such brutality during his arrest by tplf” these are the words of his lawyer.

          • Abi

            Hello Girma
            Just called to say welcome to Awatenation!
            ይህንን ቤት ግርማ ሞገስ እንደምታላብሰው እርግጠኛ ነኝ::
            በል እንግዲህ ይልመድብህ:: ቤተኛ ሁን

          • Girma

            Hello Abi,

            Thank you !!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I certainly don’t deserve the complement but thank you though. You’re very kind.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            Sorry ,missed that!
            What is safe?

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          I just finished listening to Professor Ezekiel Gabissa on TMH about the tragic and untimely death of the young Oromo Artist.

          The Professor said, the artist was his close friend who considered him as his younger brother as well. What was even remarkable is that the Professor said, it was a political assassination not only of an individual but it was intended to silence the Oromo people. He went on to say, the killing of the Oromo people started two years ago which has culminated on the killing of an an artist who stood for the rights of the Oromo people. It is pretty scary stuff. Really. Hope people do not resort into violence for it is not a solution.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I agree with his assessment, I do think the intent is political assassination, it is beyond an individual death. The consequence could be very difficult to manage. The number of people killed and being killed in Oromia, Amhara and Southern region is beyond belief. I hope the PM and his sponsors will come to their senses.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Ezekiel Gabissa is pretty composed guy but frankly speaking it was shocking to hear him talk with that kind of tone and gravitas where the scenario is frightening. I don’t think Abiy or his lackeys can turn the Artists death into a cold case or blame it on the Weyanes where that kind of outsourcing is obsolete. Abiy needs to address the nation in no time and invite all stakeholders into a negotiating table and immediately cut his ties with Isaias. He can still fix it if he has Mengistu’s resolve and Meles’ brain that is. So far he has got neither.

    • Teodros Alem

      samuel
      It’s so sad that he is shoot dead, RIP, it’s so sad he dead when faceless people like abi, horizon, kim and agames who still live in addis and elsewhere still alive.
      i think it is a tplf work .

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear TD,

        First of all let me say RIP to the dead.

        Just now is the news..How sure are you for calming and blaming?
        How do you know if it is ” tplf work ” .? You are blaming our participants “abi, horizon, kim and agames who still live in addis and elsewhere still alive.”

        TD, Still the killer is not known Wait for some days and we all will know who is the killer..

        KS,,

        • Teodros Alem

          selam kokhob
          first my apology to Moderator.
          kokohob, there is a thing called track record and they r the only people full of hate and conspiracy.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam TD,

            Not only them, the entire nation is already in trouble..We cannot say as soon as the incident take place. I mean wait and we will see all..

            KS,,

    • Brhan

      Hello Samuel,
      I need your help. As I am writing this what I am getting from International and regional media about Ethiopia is about GERD/Egypt. Is not this the # issue in Ethiopia right now as it is in Egypt and Sudan.
      Thanks

      • Samuel

        Selam Brhan,
        In my opinion the #1 issue in Ethiopia is the security and political stability. The country is in a very serious problem, it is being disintegrated, we should have a country first before we talk about GERD. When you have strong government you can handle any hurdles that come with GERD and beyond. By the way this killing could aggravate in resolving the GERD related issues. Don’t assume the killing of the artist is just one individual, it has serious political implications. if it isn’t handle well there could be unrest that could stall the country.

        Don’t get me wrong the government can do both at the same time (GERD and political stability). If there is a will there is a way, however today we don’t have both, we are losing both at the same time. Egyptian politicians could be the winners in this case.

        Thanks,

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Samuel,

          That is perfect you are completely right.

          Like the Lake Tana problem..No point is to talk about Nile while Tana is sick..It was the duty of Egypt and Sudan to cure Tana..That is to do things properly and step by step.

          KS,,

          • Samuel

            Selam Kokhob,
            I agree with you, Lake Tana isn’t only the source of Blue Nile, it is also an economic backbone of the community (fish, irrigation, etc.), its environmental impact will be greater if it isn’t managed as soon as possible.
            Sudan and Egypt could have been at the forefront of the issue both in financing and follow-ups of the matter. It should have concerned them more than the GERD hydropower plant.

            Thanks,

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    መዓልኩም!

    ኣፈይ በሊሕ
    ከብደይ ሰፊሕ

    ቋንቋታት ይፈልጥ
    ጎድነይ ክህሰ ከሎ ድማ ኣስቅጥ
    ሓቂ ተዛረብ ‘ተለሙኒ የዕለብጥ
    ኣብ ስደት ኮፍ ኢለ
    ቀላጽመይ የሕብጥ
    ዋለተይ የሕብጥ

    ባንዴራ ተጎልቢበ
    ኣስማት ፈላስፋታት ናጠቐስኩ
    እከለ ከምዝበለ
    ይብል ከይሓፈርኩ

    ሕሉፍ ሃገራዊ ክመስል
    ረኣዩለይ ስምዑለይ ይብል

    ክጥዕመኒ ከሎ
    ነቶም ተቓለሱ ዘቃለሱ
    ድርግም ናብ ውዒቲ ሞቕሎ

    ውህብቶይ ኮይኑ
    ምስ ዝነፈሰ ክነፍስ
    ዓዲ ጅግና በርሀ ጻዕዳ

    ካብ ካርታ ሃገሩ ካብ ዝድምስስ
    ንጅግና ወድ ዓሊ ኣሕሊፈ ዝሃብኩ
    መሬት ከይ ወገሐ ዝኸሓድኩ
    ጅግና ቢተወደድ ኣይንበረን ካብ በልኩ

    ኣይትበድዑለይ ኣይትጻብ ኡኒ
    ዝነገሰ ንጉሰይ ሕጂ ፍለጡኒ
    ዓወት ንሓፋሽ
    ኤእ! መን ‘ዩ ሓፋሽ ከይትብሉኒ

    • Brhan

      መሃንድስ – ምዕባለ
      እወ ዋለተይ ሓበጠት
      ኣብ ዓዲ ብዘለው እናተዘበጠት
      ቀድም ሲ ነይረሮም ወለዲ
      ሎሚ ግን ኩላ ዓዲ
      ትብል ኣላ ስደድ / ስደዲ

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ብርሃን ነብሲ
        ሓሊፍካዮ ኳ ንቀይሲ

        ግንዘብ ስደድ/ስደዲ
        ኣብ ግዜ ህግደፍ-መግደፍ መኣዲ

        ንቡር ኴኑ
        ዜጋታት ብሂወቶም ከም ምዉታት ካብ ኮኑ
        ኣብ ስደት ዘሎ ህዝብና ካብ ኣጥፈአ መኣዝኑ

        ንታይ ይገበር?
        ትምኒትና መዓስ ከምዚ ኔሩ
        ግዜ ናይ ንሕና-ንሱ ኴኑ ምበር

        ዕድልካ ዝሃበካ ሓገዝ ኣይተቋርጽ
        ስጋዕ መንግስትና [ብድምጺ ንመርጽ]
        ኣብሽር!

        • Brhan

          Hello M M
          Is Qeysi…Ahmed Al Qeysi?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Brhan,
            Yes. I was watching one of his interviews [on You Tube] few days ago and he seems intelligent person.

          • Brhan

            ኣንታ ነብሲ …ከመይ ገይረ ደኣ እየ ንዑዑ ዝሓልፎ?
            ናዓ ናዓ እቲ ዝበልካዮ ግደፎ

  • mad mullah

    Hello Yassinhamid,
    I don’t understand what is the debut. Since Eritrean have a closed society- I think we waste time debating non-sense.
    As far Eritrean government is concerned, Arabic and Tigrinya are working languages…
    As far as I am concerned, both languages are useless at the international level maybe Arabic less so..
    I know Eritrea is closed society- but let’s assume it is an open society how many Tigrinya books or arabic would get published in that country? How many books on computer, computer science, mathematics, etc… would be produced in that country? I would assume not much…
    If your child is born in this world the greatest gift you can give them is proficiency in English.
    It is the really the international language.
    Countries where lingua franca or where one of the working language is English do very well.
    Singapore which has several languages uses English as its working language… I don’t need to tell you how well Singapore does in the International academic.
    In Rwanda, Paul Kagame switched the working language from French into English and next thing he did was recruit a lot of Kenyan school teachers.. most Rwandan youth speak English and have access to everything written in English language and they can participate at global.
    Another example is India which is poor country but there are a lot of Indians in Hi-tech field and industry… The Indian benefit from 150 years of British education system in English… Now an Indian can go anywhere in the world with a little computer science and good command of the English language. Also, the Pakistani, Nigerian, Filipino, etc…
    Another example is Tanzania.. it has 100+ ethnic group but it has two working languages English and Swahili. No Tanzanian is debating or arguing about language.
    The only working part of Somalia is Somaliland and one of its working language is English…
    If I was a leader of Eritrea…I would put vote to make English one of working language. Bring a couple of thousands Kenyan School teachers and start teaching the youth or member of diaspora. I am sure the British would fund such a program. Model the approach after Rwanda…
    Leave the Tigrinya vs Arabic debate in dust…In 30-40 years, the future generation of Eritrean would look back and say we had visionary leaders who wanted us to participate in the globalized world..not stuck in these desolate mountains debating or arguing over Tigrinya vs Arabic which reminds of Badme. Two bald men fighting over a comb.

    • Brhan

      Hello Mad Mullah
      “If I was a leader of Eritrea…I would put vote to make English”
      Do you mean that the Eritean people will choose their official language/s or you as a leader will impose upon them a language. Another dictator

      • mad mullah

        Hello Brhan,
        I would put it to vote. I don’t know about official language. I would say working language. In Singapore, they got chinese, tamil, malay and english… linga franca is english…
        The objective is that make sure Eritrean youth and future participate in the global village with an advantage. We don’t want them to be Hillbillies of Africa…
        I don’t understand you dictator comment… I would think as Eritrean you would be tired of dictators… since you got one of the worst one… especially a semi-literate one. An African hillbilly.

        • Brhan

          Hello Mad Mullah,
          The people choose and vote. Your vote is also respected even if it contradicts with the majority vote’s result.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Brhan,
            I have no idea what you are trying to say… take your time when responding…

          • Brhan

            Hi Mad mullah,
            Thanks and do not take it personal ….i was trying to share with you about voting reflecting Eritrea’s exprience to the very issue that we are disscusing. Also It is good that you know many countries and their people but chatiry begins at home. Try to read and know about Eritrea, its people and its history, including its voting history to the subject.
            In plain English, you can vote for English but if the majority votes Arabic and Tigrinya for the working languages of Eritrea in the future no one will be mad at mad mullah because he voted English and I believe you will have the same feeling. I hope I made it clear, my friend.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Mad mullah;
            You make tons of sense!!
            Ignore that folks with old styled attitudes and perception since you will never win their hearts those with some fixated agenda!

            Simple solution:
            -Make Tigrinya, Arabic and English working languages by vote or by Law!
            English is a MUST for the simple and crystal clear purpose and logic you brought up- to internationalize / globalize Eritrea and Eritreans!!!

            -Encourage with ample resources the other local languages and their respective cultures to develop well!
            As simple as 2+2=4!

  • MebrahtuLight

    Hey everyone,

    Seems like everyone is talking about everything under the sun except the topic at hand.

    Let me attempt to steer the conversation back to the topic:

    Arabic is not just a Muslim issue. National language entails everyone must learn it, including Tigrinya, Bilen, Mensa, Kunama (all Christians/animist). Does Arabic deserve national status in Eritrea? No, It does not. There is nothing Arabic can do that English doesn’t do better. So those who argue that Arabic will open the communication door to 400 million Arabic speakers, then why limit ourselves to 400 million when English opens it to billions? Silence, right? It’s because Arabic is preferred because of its association with Islam. That is the underling issue that you do not want to admit.

    Arabic and Tigrinya are not equal and can never be equal. Tigrinya is a native language developed in Eritrea by native Eritreans. It serves as an identity marker and unique ecosystem that Eritreans can operate in. When one hears Tigrinya, he associates it with Eritrea. You don’t get this exclusiveness feeling with Arabic or English. When someone hears Arabic, they think of Arabs in Arabia. They do not think of Eritreans. So Tigrinya/Tigre are identity markers that represent a unique Eritrean experience.

    Arabic can not be the national language of Eritrea because of the sectarian agenda behind it. Those who have been advocating for it want to use this language to unite all the Muslims in Eritrea with a common denominator language in order to challenge the Tigrinya. This is an act of aggression against an ethnic group in the country. Arabic supporters have weaponized Arabic to contain and dominant the Tigrinya. But why go this length against the Tigrinya? Because they are Christians and they are dominant —they fear to be dominated by Christians (Pakistan had similar fears of Hindus). That means Arabic’s introduction to Eritrea can then be seen as an Islamic and political agenda against Tigrinya Christians. Nothing, more, nothing less.

    So what is fair? Tigrinya and English should be the national languages of Eritrea. Or your mother tongue + English. That is a sane and sober way that will create fairness for all. If you refuse, then Tigrinya will continue to be the dominant language in Eritrea with Isaias promoting Arabic on Eri-TV and Shabait to appease damage egos. The reality on the ground is even Rashaidas speak fluent Tigrinya.

    • Brhan

      Hi MebrahtuLight

      You are running from my question that I asked you before; A very simple question that you can answer by yes or no : ( But I will make it easy for you in front of many witnesses)

      Brhan: Did the facilitators of Yiakel, opposition groups, including civic groups’ events preached religion when they communicated with their audiences in Arabic and Tigrinya or Tigrinya and Arabic?

      Mebrahtulight: NO

      Brhan: Does Eri- TV ( Arabic), صوت الجماهير ( Voices of the masses in Arabic) radio station and Eritrea Al Hadisa ( Arabic newspaper) have made religion the subject of their programs for the past 30 years?

      Mebrahtuligh: NO

      Brhan: No further questions!

      • MebrahtuLight

        Hi Brhan

        What language does Isaias speak when addressing the nation? Exactly, he speaks Tigrinya with no Arabic translation in real time.

        Also, you should try an experiment. You should make a video talking about Eritrea in Tigrinya and in Arabic with the same content. I guarantee you, you will receive a disproportionate amount of views with Tigrinya than your video in Arabic, despite 400 million or whatever Arabic speakers on the planet. The reason being is Tigrinya is the language of Eritreans, and no Arabic speaker gives a flying hoot about Eritrea. They are too occupied with Palestine

        The yikal opposition is a joke. They are equally as bad as Isaias with no compass to speak of.

        The true power brokers in Eritrea are those in the military. Those young Tigrinya men in the military whom the opposition demonizes and cheers whenever they are gunned down by Ethiopian-backed rebels are the power brokers of Eritrea. And they are in no mood to speak Arabic. For them, it is clear: they do all the heavy lifting in Eritrea, why should they forfeit their identity for someone who doesn’t put in the work for Eritrea

        • A.Osman

          Selam Mebrahtu,

          You seem emotionally charged. By your logic, if you switched your youtube to Amharic and got more views, we should opt for Amharic. Somehow even our post independence generation seem quite good at the language.

          Nobody is gonna impose a language on any Eritrean. It is a parental responsibility to choose what your child should learn. The educational policy in Eritrea has so far been imposed and failed, the future is about choice.

          Secondly, English has been the medium of instruction starting from secondary school even during the Ethiopian rule and it wont change.

          There is the practical aspect as well, either the whole nation is going to speak Tigrigna only or implement Tigrigna and Arabic or Tigrigna and all others in its administration. So far it is Tigrina+ and that + some are saying is not incoherent, not sufficient needs tweek etc…. Instead of lending your ears of what will make things easier, you are worried for Tigrigna’s survival. You blame the choice on the + being religiously driven, while forgetting your rejection will be given the same weight.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi AOsman

            You missed my point

            Why is it that that when the same content about Eritrea is produced in Tigrinya and Arabic, the Tigrinya version has far more viewers/audience online? Arabic is supposed to win every time since there are hundreds of millions of speakers worldwide, while Tigrinya has less than 10 million speakers worldwide (if we count Tegaru). The answer is simple: Tigrinya is the language medium of Eritreans. And the majority of Eritrean Muslims do not speak Arabic. Since Arabs don’t care about Eritreans, that negates the hundreds of millions of potential Arabic speaking audiences.

            The Eritrean military only speaks Tigrinya. So the Eritrean military is imposing Tigrinya on those who serve. The commanding officers, regardless if he or she is Muslim or Christian, will instruct their soldiers in Tigrinya only. All this talk about Arabic unjustly needing to be an equal to Tigrinya is thrown out the window when lives are at stake.

            English deserves to be on par with Tigrinya, that is what the rational Eritreans are demanding. Or at a minimum, Eritreans should speak their mother tongue + English. That way, everyone is equally required to learn their mother tongue and English.

            If Isaias made Hebrew (One of Jesus’ languages) as a co-national language of Eritrea to appease Christians, I would equally resist this unfair position because it is religiously motivated and unfair for Muslims. Yet you then accuse people of rejecting a useless language like Arabic for what it is: an unfair and religiously motivated language?

            The problem is, Muslim elites do not understand the Tigrinya psyche. Language for the Tigrinya is everything. It is more important than statehood. The Tigrinya will dissolve the State of Eritrea over this Arabic issue. This is about self preservation and fairness. In their minds, they don’t need you.

          • David Samson

            Selam Meb,
            I am really surprised no one has labelled so far as “Agazian”.

          • Lebam

            Selam David S,

            I was just about to label him as an Agazian.

          • David Samson

            Selam Lebam.

            You can’t reinvent the wheel—It is too late.
            There is a BBC live music coverage right now. It is the 80s stuff. Life had frozen since then.

          • Abi

            Hello David
            You are not watching the fa cup?
            Your team won again if you can believe it:)

          • David Samson

            Hello Abi,
            You can’t be serious. I have not seen R.E.M, the Beeges, Guns ‘n Roses, ABBA, etc for decades. I am being treated by BBC and does not look like I am going to bed tonight.

          • Abi

            David
            There is no music like the 80s. I always listen to oldies.
            Enjoy it my friend, enjoy it.

          • Lebam

            Selam David S,

            Good one haha :). You are completely correct and the 80s analogy is spot on. Music has steadily gotten worse ever since. They don’t make feel good music like that anymore. Bruno Mars is the only one with similar vibe to his music, but it isn’t close to Earth Wind and Fire, Cool & The Gang etc.

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi David,

            Tigrinya people want nothing to do with Tegaru. I don’t know how youtube videos by a convicted conman fromt he UK changes 800 years of history and Kebessa psyche (Medri Bahri). Agazian is a Tegaru fantasy.

            That being said, Tigrinya people will also not entertain or give into the demands of Arabization fantasies by people stuck in Ethiopian Federation and pan-Arabism periods, either.

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Mebrahtu,

            In your first paragraph it shows that you look at it as competition, one win the other looses…then you conclude with ..wela tiferkesh kind of statement.

            The Tigrinya will dissolve the State of Eritrea over this Arabic issue. This is about self preservation and fairness. In their minds, they don’t need you.

            Nobody will force you to speak Arabic, you need to stop being defensive. I tried to explain the reasoning in my reply to Lebam, otherwise, you have made a point before that Tigrigna rule and will continue to do, so no need to be up in arms about it.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Lebam

            Selam MebrahtuLight,

            “This is about self preservation and fairness. In their minds, they don’t need you.”

            Please clarify this part. You are saying you don’t need Muslims, approximately 50% of the population?

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi Lebam,

            Let me be blunt, National Service should be called Tigrinya Service. The Eritrean military is a sea of young Tigrinya men and women robbed of normality. Their time in this service is extended indefinitely because Isaias is cruel AND because Muslims do not pull their weight. This is the uncomfortable truth.

            Eritrea under Isaias has become a communist daycare center for minority groups with Tigrinya Service members running around behaving like nannies.

            If there is a shortage of teachers in Nakfa, Isaias sends Tigrinya Service members to go teach. If there is a problem with water issues in Thio, Isaias sends Tigrinya Service members to dig wells.

            The solution? Get rid of Isaias, communism, and all things Federation/Ghedli era thinking. This objective will be easy if Tigrinya declared independence.

            Hade hizbi, hade libi sounds good on paper. But it has never been implemented on the ground.

          • Lebam

            Selam Mebrahtu,

            You forget that there are Tigrinya Muslims too, myself included.

            “Eritrea under Isaias has become a communist daycare center for
            minority groups with Tigrinya Service members running around behaving
            like nannies.”

            Who has all the power? What would happen if the other ethnic groups got more influence? Could that also be a way to control the ethnic groups/population?

            The rest is your subjective opinion and not of the masses. Also, a valid objective source is needed to justify your claims.

          • Saleh Johar

            Mehandis,
            I understand your frustration. I do. But since there are many hiccups, be stronger and never lose you calm. Particularly your allies in the struggle. HaileS is one of them. But the rest, never let them find you losing your cool. That is what they want because it will be way for them to throw you off balance. Never give them the pleasure they deny us in fighting for justice—details are ware of time. Focus. When the hurdle is removed, you will still find them cheering the change from the front seats. Changing masters comes natural to them.

            Okay, look who is saying that!! Qeshi zblo gber qeshi zgebro Neyow belo… me being the Qeshi:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you, ustaz SaleH!
            To tell you the truth, Hailat was never in my mind when I said that [deqi 40]. My believe is that if we don’t stand to the under dogs at the time, we fall down together.
            Again, thank you!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam MebrahtuLight,

            I do not know what sense the word “Light* suffixed to your name is meant to project. From the exchanges you have had, I surmised you are not that deep exposed to the affairs of Eritrea, by and large the whole region in fact. But you have got considerable passion to argue which is not bad to begin with.

            From much I read from you so far, the following statement told me a lot: “The Tigrinya will dissolve the State of Eritrea over this Arabic issue”. ምስ ቆልዓ ኣይትተሓባእ ኮይኑ ነገርካ. You should hope Kubur Prezidente Eretra did not hear you. Otherwise, you have might have tresspassed in to a forbidden territory prematurely.

            And, here is a passing question to you, if I may. How would Tigrinya survive and blossom if the state of Eritrea is dissolved? Do you have union with Tigray in mind? You might see this a better future than coexisting with Arabic. But, I imagine you did not take stock of what a less than 10 million Tigrinya speakers among 120 million Ethiopians would mean. It would mean escaping from Arabic and taking shelter in either Amharigna or Oromogna, or both, given the trend of developments out there.

            If you have paid attention a bit closely, you could have realized you have unwittingly fallen to a trap you have meticulously tried to avoid, which is the religion stupid thing. You tried hard to persuade the reader you are in fact secular through and through. Otherwise, why do you feel uncomfortable with Tigrinya and Arabic speakers coexisting in a secular state that constitutionally separate religion from politics or the affair of the state if you will?

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi Behre

            I am not sure why you assume an independent Tigrinya country would need Tegaru? The Kebessa/Tigrinya people have no desire to be in a union with Tegaru people. This Agazian stuff is a Tegaru fantasy. Tigrinya people want nothing to do with Tigray, nor do they consider them the same ethnic group as them.

            Arabic as a co-national language is not secular in nature. You can not rationally justify making Arabic a co-national language over the global language English in Eritrea. That is the main point. You want to interject a poor language (Arabic) over a great language (English) because the poor language is connected with Islam. This is Muslim linguistic nepotism and corruption.

            Now if they insist Arabic must be a co-national language, and Tigrinya people agree to it, then Hebrew or Aramaic should also become a co-national language within Eritrea since both those language are connected with the Christian faith.

            So Eritrea’s national languages will be:

            Tigrinya, Hebrew/Aramaic and Arabic.

            Fair is fair, right?

            Tigrinya people have nothing to be afraid of. Arabic is there because they are afraid of Tigrinya domination. All Tigrinya people desire is fairness. I am speaking for the youth. They don’t really care about Hade Hizbi, Hade Libi. They are fed up with communism, one man rule, Arabic, etc. They want rule of law, secularism, technology, fairness, and true equality (meaning every ethnic group pulls their weight).

            Tigrinya people don’t care about 1950’s Federation politics. Over 80% of Eritreans on this planet are under 35. The Federation era means nothing to them. They are not bounded by a regime that was considered an Ethiopian region. Their history did not start with the Ethiopian Federation period. Their history goes back thousands of years. They owe nothing to those men.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mebrhatu,

            I am Eritrean from Kebesa and I speak Tigrina. So you don’t speak for me and you don’t represent me.

            Please make an argument for you you and you only. You don’t represent the Eritrean youth also. If the Eritrean constitution of 1950 means nothing to you, then I don’t know why you car about Eritrean youth.

            If you want hebrew to be official language, go ahead. ምስ ክነደይ ዝተጸለለ እሞ ክንማጎት ኮይና፡፡

            Berhe

          • MebrahtuLight

            HI Berhe,

            You remind me of this story I will share that took place in a recent North American YPFDJ video conference meeting. The story is second hand but I’ll tell it how it was told to me.

            A young Tigre girl at a YPFDJ video conference (because of Covid-19) asked this young (early 30s, former friend of mines) YPFDJ member “isn’t it a bit unfair that a lot of Muslims are exempt from doing National Service?” She Added, “wouldn’t that stoke resentment among the Tigrinya youth?”

            His reply was comical. He stuttered, paused, moved his head side to side and finally said “we’ll everyone contributes in their own way” and went on a rant how Tigrinya should do more to accommodate Muslim minority groups in Eritrea. That is the Shaebia way he exclaimed. Yes, he did a perfect 10 out 10 in virtue signaling.

            Mind you, I know this guy. He is a professional with two impressive degrees that earn a lot of money. Yes he is an Isaias groupie, but his intelligence is very high. Yet his best answer for this disastrous policy in Eritrea that was implemented to appease Muslims by Isaias was that Tigrinya should do more to accommodate Muslims. He never even considered the suffering of Tigrinya youth that this burden is causing.

            See, this Tigre girl wants a united Eritrea like me. She understands it is unfair to place the burden on Tigrinya the way Isaias is doing. She understands this would naturally evoke resentment among Tigrinya youth that will erode the unity of the people.

            You are just like the guy and I am like that girl. You hide behind virtue signaling and I want to address the elephants in the room because I want it to work. You want to brush it under the rug and hope it goes away.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mebrahtu,

            What elephant in the room, there is none.

            What are you going to say next? the Tigrinya people are serving the Eritreans muslins like those who go to the Middle East and become servants.

            What exactly is the Eritrean youth have achieved under Isayas rule. Except they wasted their time looking at the sun?

            If the Muslim have managed as you claim, not to send their kids to sawa and spare them from Isayas abuse, then good for them.

            The rest of Eritrean population should learn and do the same.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            The dude has relevant points but made them in an arrogant way!
            But sounds that you exposed him for spreading the toxic AgAzian Propagabda!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            The tactic is changing but in the end it’s the same goal.

            First, Arabic is not our national language so we don’t want it. We should have other ethenic languages instead.

            Then come, we are Tigrina and we wanted to unit with Tegaru and created agazian nation and the rest can live as “minority” in their own land.

            When they see this is not flying…then switch tactic and come up with new plan…the tigrina paid heavily in national service so they should be the one to decide the future of Eritrea.

            The Goal:
            To weaken Eritrea diplomatically, politically and socially so it will be an easy target for them to grab and claim.

            The Issue:
            The believe the Eritrean Muslims will never compromise the unity of Eritrea and will never agree to settle on any thing except one united Eritrea.

            The Approach:
            The solution is to create a wedge between Eritrean Christians and Muslims. So to weaken the Union and have these two groups fight each other to weaken the Muslim and other Eritreans who wanted a united Eritrea.

            The Solution:
            To have the Tigrina the upper hand and mix and mingle with the Tegaru and dominate Eritrea future. And if the Eritrean Muslims live as second class citizen in their own country, then let it be if not drive them out of Eritrea into exile.

            The Prize:
            To create Abay Tigray and restore the Tigray kingdom.

            The Hint:
            They come always representing the Eritrean “Tigriana” because it is easy to confuse with “Real Eritrean” and “Pretending Eritrean”.

            That’s why I always wanted to be an Eritrean Muslim or may be Bilen (I don’t want you get a go at me:) to be the next leader of Eritrea no matter what. With this person as a leader, we can guarantee our future is in tact.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Hahahaha Berhe Yeman:
            An short but an excellent , to the point , sweet and brilliant analysis !
            The Golden rule “ By knowing your enemy and its plans, you already defeated the enemy haha way”, makes a sense!
            I wish you could expound it in an Article format with extra recommendations for the fragile and confused Eritreans!
            I remember that you used to a very good and articulate Writing during the Early good days of Asmarino . Com!
            What happened now?
            You can sell yourself and buy lots of Eritreans due to your unsolicited and principled stand o real Eritrean issues!
            Please, do it and bring it in!
            I have always dreamt and wished that Romedan Mahammed Nur or Osman Salih Sabbe O r Ibrahim Affa/was/were Eritrea’s President or PM!
            If Eritrea were to have lowlander or a “ Muslim President , I believe Eritrea’s problem could have been minimum!
            I REALLY do!
            Disclaimer:
            Am a son of both Muslim and Christian Families from the Lowland Eritrea!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            I just heard an interview of some agazians (a women who live abroad) and a teacher from Mekele university I think about the whole Agazians thing.

            At least they are coming out and they are stating who is behind and where it is all started and what they wanted to achieve.

            In short, they are saying they want to separate from Ethiopia using article 39 and take over Eritrea because Eritrea is already a country and join.

            ንሕስያ ዘይብሉ፡፡

            Now you know why they keep saying No Arab ዓረብ፡ እንዳበሉ ዝብጽብጹና፡ including their under the closet supporters.

            The other day i heard an interview of a young Eritrean named Osuman wedi Haji. I don’t listen to the whole interview and I don’t know what his organization name but he said, “There is no hope to work in unity with the current Eritrean opposition organizations. His organization is organizing the Eritrean Muslim organization” and they don’t want to work with the other oppositions right now. He said, the Eritrean Christians, they need ገዝኦም ፈቲሾም and clean their homes and they should organize and then we can talk and we are ready”. Otherwise this unity this, unity that is not going to work.

            yiAkl leaders in US, Canada and France:

            I also heard an interview from yiAkl leaders from France, Canada and US. They were asked about the Agazian and what they think. All three of them said, they have the right to organize themselves as they wish and there is nothing wrong and they should not leave any person or organization out because of what the think.

            I know these guys are not working and they have the Eritrean people at heart but they don’t know how to prioritize and focus on what’s at stake right now and who is our enemy.

            At this stage, it will just take one or two people to take in circles or anything positive to come out because those who are coming, they are coming with an agenda.

            Now you know why I say, we should only have Eritrean Muslim as a leader to safeguard Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            the agazian said ” they want to separate from ethiopia and take over eritrea”? eritrea is already separated from ethiopia 30 years ago so the agazian r tigraians, right? anyways, It is good thing for ethiopians and i fully support them .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            They are suppose to Eritrean who wanted to join Tigray to create Agazuan. Now the Tigray Agazian are wanting to join them.

            BTE, they are taking with them, the battle of Adwa, the kibre negesit and the arc of the covennent with them, in other words, 3000 years history of Ethiopia.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            They are allowed to take the things you mentioned above and their ቅራቅንቦ as long as they leave quietly.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I miss you man, now that EPL started. I know this would get your attention:), I am even surprised you are giving Soul a break.

            What’s ቅራቅንቦ? Sounds like qenti-menti.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Yessssss EPL has started again!!!
            Who is this Saul? You mean Getachew Asefa?
            I miss you too.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bera
            Let them take 3000 fake history and create a country based on fake history but i don’t know how they gonna take the battle of adawa, it is like the Kenyan or sudan take the colonizers history. any ways any fakr thing is possible but it will never be real.
            the 3000 fake history brings nothing but misery for ethiopia so i will be happy if they take it.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            This seems a a good wish!
            While we are there, can I add these to your wish?
            That leader need to be either ዓሳውርታ or ጀበርቲ. Why?
            A wise man asks why [ከመይ ዝብል ለባም [ሰሓቕ ሞይተ]]
            1. The ዓሳውርታ person can claim I am from the highlands and I am a Muslim
            2. The ጀበርቲ person can claim I am Tigrigna & Muslim
            ሀይ ሀይ ኣይወዳእኩን
            VP position need to be for Kunama, if not a President.
            I don’t think it will be worse than the last 29 years.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            Ok my idea is spreading and I already got two buyers.

            I said Eritrean Muslim, ዓሳውርታ or ጀበርቲ are included automatically.

            Kiristian TraH aytesmeAni. I wanted 100% Guaranteed.

            Like Wedi Haji said, this Tigrinya movement needs to cleanse it self. Right now we have no knowledge who is who and who is for Tigray and who is Ertra.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Exactly my pointt, Ustaz Berhe Yeman!
            If people like Mahmuday Salih or SGJ lead us, our issues will be closed for good!
            Glad we are on the same page specially about the AgAzians, the YeAkils…. the Tigrai Tigrngi zibamghizi
            I was tempted to disclose the five names sworn to lead the AgAzian Nonsense when you hinted a bit about the woman and the YeAkil vague and unclear stand( self-evident)!
            If the YeAkil Movement is a real Eritrean Movement dealing with and struggling for the interest of Eritrea in general and for the Eritrean Unity in particular,it should clearly and unequivocally CONDEMN the AgAzian Movement coz it is working hard against the Eritrean Unity openly and publicly !
            It rather supported the movement telling us that they have a right to do so…

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Berhe,

            Assuming Agazians get their dream and have Abay Tigray. Who will run the show, they are so naive….ita zelatina aykeAlnan.

            It is quite clear that Agazians have been looking to create a rift among Eritreans based on religion to increase their membership, but it has been quite hard to trigger major conflict thus far. Osman wedi Haji may attract some Muslims who are concerned by the Agazian phenomena, at the same time he will be adding to the polarisation (the aybelnando drum will beat for sure).

            I think much of what we see is due to the high level frustration (rightly so) and the social media is serving as great platform for venting it. A level of the passion we observe is needed to bring about change, the anger and frustration will subside once change comes. Leaders will emerge, the rough road will prepare them for the bigger challenge that awaits them.

            Our intellectuals have a role to play, the least they can do is participate to enrich the public discourse, dispel misconceptions and through education we will see people taking corrective actions and movements readjust their course of action.

            We will get through this noisy phase, I remain optimistic.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Paulos

            Selam A. Osman,

            I agree with you when you said all these noises and commotion are frustrations given out by people who are not sure on how the nation goes about into the uncertain future.

            That said however, one can see a striking similarity of patterns when Italy was defeated in 1941 and Eritreans scrambled on how to go about into the uncertain future. As you know, less than one month after Italy was defeated by the collective effort of Great Britain and King Haileselassie, a group of Eritreans mostly adherents of a Catholic and Protestant faith [Gebremeskel Weldu Catholic and Tedla Bayru Protestant, for instance] formed an irredentist organization called ማሕበር ፍቕሪ ሃገር. Of interest Ibrahim Sultan and Welde-Ab Weldemarian were its members as well including when the organization morphed into a political party in 1947 and named itself Unionist Party-UP and it’s Youth League called itself ኣንድነት.

            Later on, Ibrahim Sultan and Welde-An Weldemarian parted ways when they joined Muslim League–ML and Liberal Progressive Party–LPP [Advocated for Tigrai-Tigigni] respectively. In the years ahead, ML got weaker particularly when its leader and who was also the Grand Mufti at that time left the Party and joined UP instead. Similar fate with LLP as well when Welde-Ab Weldemarian left the Party and joined a sort of loose organization under the auspices of Eritrean Intellectuals which later called itself the Independent Block with other parties included as in Pro-Italia among others. In the end UP came out strong including by taking advantage of the inherent contradictions with in ML and LLP and Ethiopia’s intervention as well.

            Again, the same evolution seems to take place when PFDJ is taken for an alien occupying force as Fascist Italy was and people are voicing their preferences in the aftermath of PFDJ’s departure. The question is what can we learn from the critical years [41-52] lest we make the same and fatal historical mistake.

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,

            There are different versions of stories. There is no general consensus as what transpired during the 1940s. As the saying goes “There are two sides to a coin”. I have read some outright lies and some contradictory versions. I am like lucky enough to live in a couple of miles away from the British archives. Most Eritrean’s history and in particular that era was written with a political motive to entice and romanticise the Ghedli’s version of history. Some parties of history were left out to appease some stakeholders. If one can read different versions of the history of “Roman Empire” and can choose and pick, why should not ones deny doing so because it does not bode well with some stakeholders? If politics is not based on honesty, sooner or later tends to give rise to extremism. Personally, I have taken the liberty to not only to have an open-mind to different versions but to re-format my faculty to square one. Nobody should dictate me what or what not to read and believe. Those who advocate history should begin in 1940 have a lot to lose as the current stakeholders will question every bit
            part of their history.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam David,

            Correct me if my reading you is wrong, but I tend to read that you see the Ghedli in a very negative way.

            I don’t know if the bad experience that you think my have with Ghedli is a reason but do you think, Eritreans had the right for self determination at it was suppose to be the end of the federation or do you think the action that was taken to annex Eritrea was correct and we should have put up with the HSI and his administration and accept Eritrea to be one of his awraja.

            And what do you hope for future Eritrea?

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            No, you have not misread me this time around. As Newton
            said, “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” Or extremism breads its own image, but with the exact opposite. I see Ghedli as one extremism. When I was brainwashed by Ghedli,
            I was naïve enough to have said I am not “Habesha”, but Eritrean. Decades later when I was freed from this bondage history, I am proud to be one. I have role models and heroes as part of my heritage, and no one will tell me otherwise. It is tragic Zereai Deress was forgotten on his own land while he has been celebrated by all blacks in the world. Why? Because his history does not fit to Ghedli’s narrative.

            As you probably know and I argued in the past, I would like to read Mehari Misgina’s version of history. I am willing to pay to document his history as I see it as part of mine. Ghedli and its history have to stand on its two feet and narrate and argue its corner. Accusing people that they are intended to divide us will not cut anymore since we live in the era of free medium.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David.

            Let me start with your last comments “Accusing people that they are intended to divide us will not cut anymore since we live in the era of free medium”.

            I said this many times I take it, you reply was directed at what I been saying. That’s fine, I have no tissue with. Before I reply what I say and why I say, let me explain.

            For example, I sense everything wrong that went on in our society or the condition we are in, sometimes we tend to blame Ghedli for it.

            You said:
            1) why we don’t celebrate Zerai Deres
            2) why “you use to say I am not habesha I am Eritrean”.
            3) now you are talking about Mehari Misghana.

            Let me elaborate.
            1) I don’t remember Ghedli had said anything negative about Zerai Deres. If they didn’t celebrate it because it didn’t fit the narration, I am not sure it’s Ghedli fault. I think it may have to do, how Ethiopia used him to justify their own agenda, that probably turned off people from using him as a hero to celebrate him. But I never says, Ghedli had said anything negative about him. So you can blame who you like to blame but I don’t know if it’s fair.

            2) if someone who is not habesha Eritrean said this I can understand and there is nothing wrong with it. Even if habesha people said it, so they wanted to create their own identity, I don’t see there is anything wrong with it. Again, you can blame who you like but I don’t believe Ghedli has anything to do with this. An American who is defendant of the English, can say proudly he is American or Canadian or Australian. What’s wrong with this if you see it from this angle point of view.

            3) I think the killing of Mehari Misghana was wrong and who ever decided to do so, I believe it’s a wrong decision. But overall, I think Ghedli record is not at all bad as targeting civilians (in fact the policy is very good)but there was some wrong here and there that could have been avoided. Overall though I think it’s something that we need to be proud off, compared to many others who went through such experiences, compared to the Derg or the Russian revolution or some in the Middle East.

            Purposely try to divide us

            Let’s not going around the bush and get to the real issue. I think Eritrea must be the only country on earth, where the leadership hide their true identity. I say this, not because one person identity is better than another but as a matter of principle. What I mean by that is, the Tigrinya speaking Eritreans, if they are opposed to the idea and being of Eritrean, and having the idea of independent Eritrea, then people (like myself) tend to focus on the resort why?

            What I mean by that is, there are quite a number of Eritreans of Tigray (today) origin, who settled in Eritrea after Italy made it its colony. And I think those Eritreans, their tendency (not all, but most majority) to gravitate towards Tigray / Ethiopia.

            These people when they advocate the union with Tigray / Ethiopia, are they doing so because of principles stand or they do so because they have ties. What ever their reason is, why is it so hard to reveal their true identity and advocate what they think is best for them and the country.

            Let me give you an example. Ethiopians of Eritreans origin, even though they lived in peace, benefited economically in Ethiopia but the most majority, their loyalty was with independent and free Eritrea. There us also similar parallel for example, German or Japanese Americans siding with German or Japan during second WWII. Even though the actions taken by the US during that time is deemed wrong now.

            But when it comes to Eritrea, it’s really special. Some of the hardcore believers and supporters of the regime, fanning hate against Tegaru are those who have Bloor relation with them (as few in the current leadership in Eritrea).

            And latent I have learned that, a lot of the TPLF hardcore leaders have ties with Eritrea.

            Then does it make any logical sense that these group of people who are in power in both side of the river can be mortal enemies and engulf the whole region?

            And why are both hide their identity (they never want to talk about it openly) at least from background point of view, so there is no conflict of interest, that makes their stand questionable.

            So in this type of environment, where we find ourselves in, does it make sense to have these people, under different disguise, debate day and night, Eritrea language or religion etc.

            Is it genuine or is it a ploy to get people worked up and fight each other.

            So in this circumstances, as an Eritrean, I find it, it’s best err on the side of caution, as I don’t know who we are dealing with Truly, and secure and preserve our union and we deal with later on after our government becomes true representative of the people.

            For me personally, it make sense if an Eritrean Muslim lead us to the promised land and secure our future.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            I do not have any person in mind, but people who cry day-in-day-out using cliché words such as unity, discourse, and bigot. We do not live in the era of Demshi Hafash or TV-ERI. The era of Hadi Libi is over. In Eritrea, there are different stakeholders, each has its own version of history. Ghedli does not have a monopoly anymore.

            I was told, Eritreans are not Habesha, but are Eritreans.
            Ghedli warned me not to use any other identity, but Eritrea as it can take away my ID willy-nilly. Looking back, I laugh at myself. Eritrea just like most African countries is a collection of Ethnic or social or stakeholders’ groups (You can choose whatever it suits you). Some antagonistic to each other and not meant even to live next door to each other. I can choose if I want to identify myself beginning from 1941 or can go back as far as I can. I share the bad, the good
            and the ugly part of my history with people across the Mereb river who can identify themselves as “Habesha”. Any other group call themselves Eritreans or whatever they want to be called and can read history from 1941. It is an individual choice, but Ghedli can no longer hold the card. It has blown its chance and now all bets are off.
            You might ask Why I am choosing the word “choose” many
            times and who is denying me what or what not to choose. Look at the topic at hand. This issue has been dragged since the 1940s and we naively assumed the issue was settled after independence, but how naïve we were. Why? Since there was no consensus in 1940 despite some people made to believe us, there was no consensus in the 1990s, either. The issue was buried due to cohesion and oppression. Now, thanks to Net, we have the chance to listen to all the stakeholders, no matter how the views extreme could be, but I see many Ghedli sympathisers— including the
            opposition— are terrified and hence use the tactic of defame and intimidation to anyone who does toe their line of thinking. When I saw this behaviour with the Yeakl, I l left the movement and the opposition altogether.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            I can understand your frustration but to be honest, I don’t know Ghedli has anything to do with the sorry state we find ourselves in.

            1). Do you actually believe these group who are in power today is what Ghedli strives for to put in power.
            2) Those in power are they following a guide a book or a document that Ghedli produced and they have implemented it?
            3) If you are going to belame ghedli because of the current in power, how about the voices of those Ghedli who didn’t resonate and support such rule.
            4) Does the words of say for example Bitewoded mean nothing? Does he sacrifice for justice and the for the rule of law mean nothing?
            5) Does the letter of the G-15 mean nothing? Does the acts and deeds of Wedi Haji mean nothing (upheld constitution, free prisoners) mean nothing?
            6) You don’t think the Eritrean revolution is hijacked by Isayas Afeworki and his groups?

            For example you wrote:

            Ghedli warned me not to use any other identity, but Eritrea as it can take away my ID willy-nilly.

            I find this a little bit exaggerated and if you like you can blame to those who told you so or to those who are in power to do so. But this does not represent Ghedli ideology and it never was put in practice as such.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Do you mean I am under exaggerating?

            I have not watched it myself, but a friend who did tell
            me the following story.

            The storyteller, who happens to be the victim, now lives
            in North America. During the early 70s, when IA was liquidating any potential enemy under different pretext, this man was one of his victims. IA, in person, poured hot water over his naked body. I heard similar crime by Wuchu. There are part and parcel of Ghedli. What we know so far is the tip of the iceberg. Was it not the same Ghedli who was selling Eritrea passports to stateless Arabs? Taking away ID is nothing. I had lost my ID when I refused to pay the 2% tax. I was told I can oppose the government but must pay my duty to criminals. Every ugly you see in Eritrea is somehow linked to Ghedli. I am pretty you disagree with me, but that is the beauty of an open discussion.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            I agree with you that the current leaders IA and his gangs are criminals and including those who at some point where in the leadership and has turned.

            What I mean is, you are not differentiating the Ghedli (and the most majority) and it’s ideals and those who end up at the helm (may be lead it and continue to lead it) and turned their own.

            Am I defending the current regime of IA and all this criminal activities? No I called it all kinds of names and I am not supporting or justifying all the illegal activities that is running.

            What would have you said, had Ghedli transitioned to a democratic and peaceful government? You don’t think that would have been also possible and could been achieved?

            Were a lot of people fooled by IA and his gangs and supporting him. Yes I am one of them, but I don’t think IA and Ghedli are one and the same.

            We are where we are. What do you think we should and where do we go from here?

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Don’t fall into the trap of YG and his brainwashed and naive students !
            Ghedli, its legit cause, history and precious cost have nothing to do with the history of few individual criminals !
            This nano-fraction segment of the 3.5-5 million Eritreans and that nano-fraction of the 99.999% selfless fighters has nothing to do with Eritrea and Eritreans and those few individuals do not represent Eritrea, Eritreans and their legit Ghedli!
            The dude you are debating with apparently was said to be or sound to be EBay-Asmera Tigraway( Eritrean of Tigreyan origin)!
            He is entitled to his opinions but not to his own facts and he can be a citizen of any other country he wants but he cannot tell other Eritreans that their history and Ghedli is fake !

          • David Samson

            Hope,

            You see we always live in hope. By your own admission, you
            skipped Ghedli. Glad you did, otherwise you have been another unknown statics. If I were Tigraway, at least, I am not being Eritrean as per flawed logic, but my ancestors are Aksumite. Therefore, it is my ancestors land. If I were to go back to history, you will be kicked out to unknown land, so do not be more catholic than the pop.

            You seem to be a confused soul who is all over the place. Since you lost your courage to join Ghedli, you are exhibiting similar character on this site by keep changing your name.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dave:
            Your fake 3000 yrs ghost or fake history does NOT concern me or belong to me!
            Skipped Ghedli?
            Who told you that?
            All my parents , uncles, aunts , sisters and cousins were involved in Ghedli…
            I was indeed part and parcel of Ghedli. I might have not been involved at Nadew or Fenkil operations but was involved doing my duty deep inside the Enemy Headquarters without going into details!
            But does that matter?
            All Eritreans have done that !
            Don’t twist things since changing nicks has nothing to do with the subject/topic in question!
            At least am not demonizing the legit Ghedli but those who do so, will get back what they deserve !
            There is no way you can confuse, detract or allure Genuine Eritreans but your likes!
            You have done unforgivable and irreparable damage and committed unmatchable and unforgivable crimes against Eritrea and Eritreans!

            There is no way you will run away with that!
            Too late buddy!
            Eritrea is but for ERITREANS!

          • Abi

            Hello King Sultan
            I think David has confused you with another awatista who goes by a nick Hope or Dope or something like that. Mr Dope told us he dodged gedli when he was young and healthy to pursue his education.
            You see, it is easier to clarify things than unnecessarily complicated them.

          • Abi

            Hello David
            ሞገስ አስገዶምን
            ዘርአይ ድረስን
            አብዲሳ አጋን
            አብረሃ ደቦጭን
            ሌሎችንም ጀግኖች በኩራት ስንዘክራቸው እንኖራለን::

          • David Samson

            Hello Abi,
            Yes, indeed.
            Change the gear. :
            Liverpool will be remembered as the team of “Corona”. We never heard this disease for over 30 years and hopefully the memory will fade away from our memory very soon.
            But we will never, never forget the “invisible” Gunners. The team to have won the league with out losing a single game.

          • Abi

            Hello David
            I’m watching EPL right now. Man U leading 2-0.
            I used to support Arsenal when Ian Wright was Entertaining Highbury.

            The invisible could win a championship in any league.

          • A.Osman

            Dear Paul,

            Thank you for drawing a parallel, we need such analysis that gives us understanding of our society, combined with current geopolitics in play so we can have better visibility of where we heading.

            Please share references of books you recommend, hopefully David can also do likewise to highlight the other version of the story.

            In a way the failure of Eritrea under PFDJ, will give traction to both those want union with Ethiopia and those who want with Tigray only. There is some triangulation there and the Union with Tigray only is much harder to sell than a Union with Ethiopia.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Selam Osman

            I wish you read carefully what Paulos, a known TPLF cader, wrote. Especially, the last paragraph that alludes to a non-existing parallel.
            PFDJ is a cruel, home-grown organization. It is not an alien force comparable to an occupation forces like Ethiopia and Italy
            After the departure of PFDJ, Eritreans want a democratic and just Eritrea. The Tigray-Tigrini and Union hallucination comes from Agazian and Amhara chauvinists, respectively.
            It seems people like Paulos are having success to convince confuse individuals.

          • Paulos

            😂😂😂

          • A.Osman

            Selam Hashela,

            The condensed summary given by Paul for 1941-1952 needs to be expanded on, in such short detail fine information will be missed out. We need to expand on it to understand the dynamic of the time and try to understand to what extent is relevant to today, so we avoid old pitfalls. There are certain themes that tend to resurface and digging deeper will only give us better understanding of our situation.

            I read Paul’s final point about PFDJ as the hate that many have. Its manifestation comes in various forms from a targeted hate for PFDJ only to trashing whole nationhood of Eritrea. We have seen the blame of gedli for falling short at bringing independence and not providing democracy as a package with it.

            I believe that the majority of Eritreans have an issue with PFDJ or DIA only, but they are not the vocal ones. The fringes are the loud ones and they may feel their idea is selling, but they will hit the wall when they reach certain threshold.

            The problem is when the level of attention given to anything new that pops becomes a reason to loose focus. It is a sort of behavioural procrastination that we engage into when we have no clear idea/plan where we heading.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Selam Osman

            I could not say it better: “The fringes are the loud ones and they may feel their idea is selling, but they will hit the wall when they reach certain threshold“.
            I may add that the screaming of the fringes is amplified by the known megaphones.

            Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Hi A.Osman,

            Thank you for the Sober assessment. Sometimes I feel I am being part of the confusion, and not adding value. I will stay put for a while.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Nop ,sitting idle, ignoring such toxic and divisive mantras and propaganda,silence and surrender are NOT options!
            But fighting and hitting back hard is ..
            We are not Angels but victims!
            ENOUGH!

          • mad mullah

            Hello MebrahtuLight,
            I believe you make strong and valid points. This talk about Arabic in Eritrea. It origin comes from the 1950’s and 1960’s which was a time of post-independence and pan-arabism. The reason that some of leadership in Eritrean independence movement were advocating arabic was because the main support for Eritrean independence movement was coming from Arab countries. It is not because Arabic was spoken widely in Eritrea. That age is gone.
            For example, the official language of Singapore is Malay. However, the Lingua Franca is English. English is used for instruction and courts, etc..
            In Eritrea, although the working languages are Arabic and Tigrinya- for all practical purpose Tigrinya has become the Lingua Franca- you can go find the reasons or say this or that..
            My personal view is that English should also become a working language and education system and courts, etc should be encouraged to be in English… this a gradual phase 15-20 years process…
            The English language and access to international knowledge and world can help Eritrean get rid of their backwardness.
            I hate to say it but as far as I can see Ethiopia and Eritrea in 20th century were the hillbillies of Africa. Ethiopia less so now compared to our Gedhli generation Zemen Din-kros.
            More than ever the future generation of Eritrean need a language the connects them to heartbeat of the world and English does that…
            Arabic- it has become the language of backwardness. Look at the arab world and name how many democratic society exist..
            Most of African countries that can be considered Model for development speak English from Ghana to Botwswana to Somaliland to Rwanda…
            I understand the Ibrahim Sultan and Woldeab Woldemariam generation but we live in a different world…
            Eritreans think of your future generation and drop your useless fights over comb for bald heads…
            Just tell me what language these youths in this video are speaking… you can tell they are ready to participate in the world..
            Of course, these are Zenawi generation youths… I wonder how many Eritrean youth can speak English…
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQeeCcVip6A

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mad Mullah,

            Let’s be realistic. Have you seen young Eritreans coming from Eritrea abs the type of Education they have. How many percent do you actually think, have any chance to study higher education in the west and become successful.

            Teaching children English from primary school in Eritrea? Where are the teachers going to come from? And what type is Shakespeare English is going to be thought in Eritrea?

            A don’t know why you think the Arab countries are backwards but they are miles and miles away in terms of education and well being if their societies. Look around a lot of the American universities, a lot number if the are filled with engineers and mathematicians from a lot of countries in the Middle East, specially from Egypt and Iran.

            Sure done if Arab countries fair better than others, but they are backwards is totally far from reality.

            Yes, learning English is good. But those who have solid base in what ever language they learn primary will not have any problem switching to English and become good at. A lot of Eritreans who studied, in Italian school and Arab countries such as Egypt and Sudan are excellent English writers.

            And who says you have to study in English in order to achieve excellence in your field of study. If a person has the capacity to study PhD, lack of English is the least of his problem.

            And who us to say, the Germans, the Chinese, the Japanese, the French, the Russians and others who study in their native language are less intelligent than those who study in English.

            I think a person who knows more language is actually becomes smart in the long term. This has been proven, again and again by many physiologists and by many studies.

            How on earth can you make the language on courts, in English. Where are going to find the lawyers, the translators that are going to translate on the courts.

            And why?

            I think, the best way to dess add k with this is, ok what ever you say.

            While on the subject why don’t we make make our official language Klingon so we can communicate with outer space since we will be exploring the galaxy.

          • mad mullah

            Hi Berhe,
            You are all over the place. I can’t follow what are you saying.. you just make up argument and making general statement that have nothing to do with what I said and then arguing against them. I don’t think you realize that…you are not having dialogue with me.. you are arguing against yourself.
            It is style of dialogue which I can only say comes from Zemen Dinkro age…

          • David Samson

            Selam mad mullah,

            I like the expression “Zemen Dinkro” despite I am being one of them.

          • Berhe Y

            hi mad mullah,

            I want Klingon to be Eritrean national language and it’s not negotiable.

            Yes, I am confused as well, arguing with people who are purposely trying to confuse and divide people and create division.

            Berhe

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mebrahtu,

            The beauty of this forum rests in the policy that opens unhampered space to anyone who wants to test his/her talent within the lines of decency that should duly respect. Young people like (assume you are one because you claimed you speak for the young) should get take advantage as you and others like you are doing. It’s good for the purpose and intent of the forum, which is training people on the side of letting issues of common interest to be debated by sobered and enthusiastic amateurs.

            Now, sliding back to the points you had posted in response to my entry of yesterday, there are lots of things that could be noticed and passed as ልቢ ጎበዝ ኣብ ደረቱ stuff. I mean to say that there are many ill-considered views that contradict one another. It reminds one as a novice trying to learn swimming and splashing water on all directions.

            If I should mention a few, I note that the history of the percentage (under 35 years of age) “goes … thousands of years” back. You have not taken account of the fact that Arabic in Eritrea is claimed precisely base on that rationale. It is said that the language was in use for hundreds of years before 1952 federation you wish to erase from the annals of history. Moreover, have you ever thought that the Angelican Church in England (cradle of the language you venerate) use English as language of liturgy and theology? Does this make the country less secular?

            Furthermore, why do think if at all Arabic would be endorsed as co-national language, the demand for Aramaic and Hebrew would be legitimate and fair? I do not know why you become absolute in believing that the Arabic language cannot become secular by nature!!!

            One last point, if I may, you did not define what the Tiggrinya independent nation you have in mind would look like you had reserved as an option in case Arabic become co-national language. You ruled out union with Tegaru, which you considered as a different ethnic group. Are you contemplating a republic or whatever that would comprise Hamassein, Seraye and Akeleguzai or you have other geographical space in mind, and how that extra space would be filled – by conquest perhaps?

            You see how amateurish your thoughts are. But, as I noted earlier, you have good talent that can mature with broadening exposure to history, culture and social set ups that make up Eritrea. My advice to you is that you try to talk and communicate with a broader and diverse cross-section of Eritrean’s youth. Do not limit yourself to a narrow sector only.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mebrahtu,

            The problem I see in your logic is, you taking the current Isayas Eritrea as a model for future Eritrea. Would you be proud and willing if you are a parent and wish to raise your child in Eritrea similar as the young Eritreans going through?

            Endless military service, abuse no hope, no future and the only count the day to abandon your post and leave the country to exile?

            When people speak about national languages, national programs, peaceful co-existence, they have a country guided by rule of law in mind. Not a country under the whim of a single crazy individual where the people have no hope and no dreams to live by.

            Let me tell you what I see….Eritrea is governed by constitutional government and by rule of law. The national language issue is simple as far as I know, unless you want to make an issue. As Tigrina speaker and Christian myself, I have no issue if people want to learn Arabic and even if my children got the opportunity to learn Arabic and other Eritrean languages. I can grantee you that they will not forget to speak tigrina or that they will replace it with Arabic in their daily lives.

            Suppose you meet an Eritrean Muslim in the morning. You ask him, kemey Hadirka, what would you expect him to respond and say…He will say AlHam du Lilah….that’s the reality and he is not programmed to say that but that’s his daily ritual and daily way he lives by. An Eritrean Christian will tell you “AmlaK ymesghen” even if the person who asking him is a Muslim neighbor. And the Muslim will not be offended by his answer and will not stop asking him next day. Life goes on…no body cares…that’s how our people live their daily lives.

            As a Tigringa Christian that you are trying to protect me for from the “Arabs”, I can tell you I don’t need your protection. Isayas Afeworki and his government are doing more damage to me and my people by the act that you consider “normal” militarization and sacrifice of his adventure. If the Muslims are not dying by the same amount and proportion, you should probably find out why. It could mean two things:

            1) They left the country and there is not many of them left.
            2) They refused to send their kids and make a sacrifice lamb for Isayas and his adventure.

            So please save me the misery and leave the young to live and explore and learn and hope for better future in their own country. Learning Arabic for any Eritrean is just an added advantage.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Isayas Afeworki and his government are doing more damage to me and my people by the act that you consider “normal” militarization and sacrifice of his adventure.

            Hi Berhe; how exactly is PIA harming you? you are in Canada and with Canadian citizenship. You work in Canada, you pay your taxes to the Canadian government, you elect your Canadian officials, who exactly is PIA damaging you. Sometimes I wish you people accept the reality and truth before you dramatize everything about Eritrea and her government. It easy for your to undermine and negotiate the best interest of the nation but the once who paid everything don’t agree with you. If you had paid a minuscule price; I am sure if you would have had a different take. Have some understand.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Have you heard about the Golden Rule? check it out and you may understand.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Have you heard about the Golden Rule? check it out and you may understand.

            Hi Berhe; i don’t know what a golden rule is but you might wanna be educate me but here is a golden rule for you. watch it. when foreigners fight for a nation doesn’t belong them, yet, you haven’t . that is the point.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlNcQb9rqqk

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Thank you for sharing and it’s amazing story. But he is as Eritrean as any Eritrean can be. All power to him and we should be proud to have him.

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            In the corporate world they have a running answer as to what the golden rule is:

            The golden rule is the one with the gold makes the rules.

            Mr. K.H

          • Aligaz G

            K.H.

            And if they encounter turbulence at 35000 feet while flying in their gold Lear Jet? No problemo – a golden parachute.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            You are here defending the government day in and day out, which means it is effecting you in one way or the other. How do you feel telling others, like you admonished Berhe, not to express their feeling towards the government? From experience, I can tell you have no problem with anyone praising Isaias and his clique but you get worked up when they are criticized! You see Nitricc, you might not be personally affected by the cruelty of the regime in Eritrea, but you should try to understand there are many effected by its cruel and inhuman policies and acts. So, you should not insist that your relations (and your romantic affection) with the unelected, overstayed regime, should apply to every Eritrean. For instance, I oppose the regime with a zeal million times intense that yours. If I do not mind you expressing your love for the regime, you have no moral ground to chastise those who oppose it vehemently. Besides, you might not have had any of the experience the wronged citizens have. Just saying this hoping you will reflect on your always-on-arms-to-defend-the-regime attitude.

          • Nitricc

            You are here defending the government day in and day out, which means it is effecting you in one way or the other. How do you feel telling others, like you admonished Berhe, not to express their feeling towards the government?

            Hey SJ; I am not sure if I am defending the government but rest assured, I am defending the truth. And expressing feelings and out right accusations are two different things. Sure, the government should be questioned, held responsible and criticized, by whom? By the same people who paid the price equally to established the nation out of nowhere. I do believe in duty and rights and only your rights will be intact when you over come your duty. All I am opposing is, no one should double dip. If Berhe lives in Canada, pays his taxes in Canada, works in Canada, votes in Canada; he has no business what so ever on Eritrea’s internal and political affairs. It is nothing to do with admonishing Berhe or anyone but simply the truth. Now you know when I say, I don’t defend the government of Eritrea, rather I defend the truth.

            From experience, I can tell you have no problem with anyone praising Isaias and his clique but you get worked up when they are criticized! You see Nitricc, you might not be personally affected by the cruelty of the regime in Eritrea, but you should try to understand there are many effected by its cruel and inhuman policies and acts.

            You are right, I do praise PIA when he deserves it and I criticize him when I see wrongs. The problem is, there is nothing the likes Berhe see the good part about the government of Eritrea and that is wrong. There are good and there not so good. Why not mention both instead of tall all the bad thing all the time? You are right, I am not affected by the government of Eritrea or by PIA but so does Berhe? Can you tell me how Berhe is personally affected by the government of Eritrea or PIA? I agree the are not so good policies and acts, sure but why not also talk about the good once?

            So, you should not insist that your relations (and your romantic affection) with the unelected, overstayed regime, should apply to every Eritrean.

            No it shouldn’t, although I am not if I have romantic affection with the government of Eritrea, however; I do understand why the government was unelected and overstayed. If you are honest, there are a good reason for it, just the truth. Again, defending the truth should not be translated in to romantic affection of the government. It is not.

            For instance, I oppose the regime with a zeal million times intense that yours. If I do not mind you expressing your love for the regime, you have no moral ground to chastise those who oppose it vehemently. Besides, you might not have had any of the experience the wronged citizens have.

            I have no problem for you to oppose a zeal million times, you know why? You have earned the right due to your duty to your nation to criticize, express and oppose the government. Again, my point is, there are people did absolutely nothing yet, they love to oppose, criticize and insult the government. Again, do your duty then earn your right to express, criticize and oppose. Does Berhe do that? NO! i.e. he has no right to do so. that is my point Sir!!!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitric,

            You are right, I am not affected by the government of Eritrea or by PIA but so does Berhe? Can you tell me how Berhe is personally affected by the government of Eritrea or PIA?

            I want to be the president of Eritrea and your PIA is on my way:).

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi berhe; no problem just return your Canadian citizenship and pick up the Eritrean one. Then I will be proud to call you my president.

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            There is one thing that never ceases to amaze me. Some people think because they have a racist and bigoted view towards Arabs (a veiled hate of Islam), they think they are better citizens, privileged citizens, who think they can dictate their will on citizens with equal rights. They think they set the standards on how others should act or what they should believe or not. It’s disgusting and primitive thinking and some people like to dwell in their racist cocoon. It’s amazing.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            If the attempt was just being ignorant and people spread their “ignorance” because of lack of knowledge, I can sympathize and I can understand.

            But anyone who is old and smart enough to understand the cultural, religious make of the country and the people who lived together through long time of hardship, I don’t understand.

            And I think there is a lack of honesty and sincerity to what they preach. I feel it’s purposely to instigate hate and create animosity and division.

            But I am convinced they are few in numbers is and we will over come these.

            Berhe

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi Berhe

            All the wars fought in Eritrea, from Independence war to the Border war, far more Christians have served and died for Eritrea than Muslims have. What does that say about Muslims?

            – It means Muslims are really not 50% of the population. They are far fewer

            or

            – It means Muslims do not care about Eritrea to the degree Tigrinya people do

            Those are the only rational explanations I can think of.

            You are missing a key point. If Arabic is a co-national language of Eritrea, that entails all Eritreans, including Christians, must be able to be proficient in it. That is why Arabic can not be a co-national language because it would be unfair for a Christian, who clearly desire to learn the global language of English.

            Now, if someone wants to speak Arabic among themselves, that is their choice, they can and should be given resources to do it. But on the national stage, Arabic has no rational place. That is the issue at hand.

            I do not think you are in tap with the moods of Tigrinya. There is a lot of resentment among Tigrinya youth that they carry the burden of Muslims. They feel like Muslims have got it easier under Isaias at their expense. In a post-Isaias Eritrea, these Tigrinya youth will not entertain Arabic as a co-national language. ELF didn’t entertain Tigrinya when a small number of mostly Beni Amer Muslims were doing the fighting, why should Tigrinya entertain Arabic in a post-Isaias Eritrea? Fair is fair, right?

          • Eri.Star

            National language would mean, need to know one
            of them.. to survive and to strive would need the two. From the intrigued, Intellectuals, business minded Eritreans will not have a issue to learn another language. Second of all why would Muslim who make up 2/3 real demographic of Eritrea, prior to EPLF treasonous act with tplf. Why would we serve a Agame leader. You are right . Tigrinya has a invested interest in this tigrinystan and Shabia regime, is why many died end of independence and border. Post IA Democratic country. Each tribe will first consolidate their tribal land. To take away suspicion of domination from the other tribe and groups. Millions of lowlander will pour back to take their home and city centre. You are minority, 2 tribe but 3 group thr Muslim coalition. Why shabia had to eliminate all other political groups prior to Independence because, they knew tigrinya had no chance in a fair election to win majority of the power. Plus they wanted to control our farm land and coastline. If we had dominance of our own land we can keep to ourselves and not need to bother with you, while having our own sustainable economy. If think you can go to war with Muslims and have peaceful nation. Because of tigrigna dominance in the Military. You are dreaming, Tplf and Tigray won’t be around to help you this time.

          • NewDawn

            Selam eri star, kkkk you’re probably a jeberti. If we implement what you want,then you will have to walk back to tigray.

          • Eri.Star

            Oh please .. I spoke the truth. Where was I being rude ,What I said Agame leader? He’s from Tigray tho. Restoring True demographic bothers you, not accepting of status quo. As Tigrinya is not common language in lowlander, won’t be post IA. Back to Tigre Arabic English. We have our own and controlled antomy regions, IF reconciliation fails

          • Paulos

            Eri Star,

            Here is a tad piece of history. In 1946, a riot broke out in Asmara. And the BMA called the Sudanese army that had been stationed in Eritrea since 1941 to restore law and order. Subsequently, 70 Eritreans were killed in the hands of the Sudanese army and 46 were wounded. I let you find out yourself the reason [Three main reasons] why the riot broke out in the first place but if any hint at all precisely because of the re-emerging cultural, religious and historic divide.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Eri.Star, tigrinya is common everywhere, even rashaida speak it, accept this reality please . im no supporter of isaias .

            Youre just a toxic Diasporan, no one needs your useless opinion. Do you lowlanders that reside in diaspora even care about tigre language or whatever your mother tongue is, too busy teaching your kids arabic. It seems us kebessa care more about your languages than some of you do, so why are you so angry at us?

          • Eri.Star

            I’m not angry. I’m just sayin first step to democracy. Which all group call for.. Is the resettlement of people. I don’t mind tigrinya. It just won’t be as common language in lowland post IA. Back to normal, being Arabic and Tigre and English. Yes we learn arabic very similar to Tigre. What annoy me tho, those who want democracy put don’t want to lose their privilege that was given to them by a dictator. We need to set things right first. Before we progress as a Nation. Sorry it goes with him.

          • Eri.Star

            Hypocrisy.. you want to keep the privileges given to you by a dictatorship. First step to democracy is tribe will consolidate their land and homes. Angry. You backstab the struggle and sided with TPLF. That you and your own children into refugee.. We know you don’t care about us.. just like the amhara. Want our land and sea. Sorry resistance will continue.

          • Eri.Star

            Hypocrisy, that you want democracy but want to keep the privileges give it to you by dictator. Respect Eritrea for what it is. Don’t Change it. No difference then Agazian.

          • Eri.Star

            Why do you keep deleting
            my reply. ? You another DIA?

          • Eri.Star

            Stop deleying replying my. Because I keep expose your hypocrisy. How can progress when you Censor those who expose your evil.plan. ?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mebrahtu,

            I am not going to argue with you and make sense. Because I can feel that you are purposely poking people where it hurts. You are picking a fight [pretending to care for me] and create a wedge with Eritrean people.

            Assume more Eritrean Christians died on the war. So what? Every individual who chose to join the fight out of his or her own free will. They did not fight to make Tigrina offical language
            As to the official language, you don’t know what you are talking about. I live in a country where is more than one official language but it doesn’t require/ force anyone to learn anything.

            I like in a country that has more than one official language. No body forces anyone to learn anything. You should know what you are talking about it. So don’t make up story you have no idea.

            Eritrea had lived with 2 official languages in the 1950s and it has worked really fine.

            And last thing, I am Christian Tigriana. I want to learn Arabic, I want my children to learn arabic as well. Deal with it. You don’t represent me and you certainly don’t represent the other Tigrina Christians either. Islam, Arabic, and Muslims are part and parcel of our country and our society.

            If you can’t leave in Eritrea peacefully by respecting rights of other Eritreans, you can pack and leave where ever you want to go and leave. I am sure there are many who will be happy and willing to accept you.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam A Osman:
            You might be correct in principle but it sounds unrealistic to say that the decision of using a language of instruction should depend on the parents alone!
            It is a National issue and a National Consensus should be reached through a constitutionally elected Assembly With a mandate to deal with serious national issues and agenda

          • A.Osman

            Dear Sultan,

            From my limited reading, there are two competing issues that drive the education policy:
            1. Social & Cultural – Language preservation, emphasis on identity etc…
            2. Purely academic – advancement in science, employment opportunity, social mobility etc…

            So much focus is put on # 1 and not #2 as we have seen the closure of Asmara University, running colleges using the military etc… Please don’t bring Weyane in the picture as it is not going to take us anywhere…we need to own this problem.

            Until such a point that there is a national consensus and a level of confidence on the system in place, we need to move from top down push as it is rigid and when it fails, it fails miserably, wasting the opportunity of a generation or more.

            Regards
            AOsman

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Brhan,

        Are you now trying to claim that Eri-TV Arabic and Eritrea Al Hadisa makes Arabic a national language?

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Brhan,

        Is there any other language other than Arabic that GOD specifically chose to speak to the people of the world…according to Muslims?

        NO..NO..NO

        No further questions.

        Mr. K.H

        • Brhan

          Hello Kim
          I wrote a poem , here in this current forum and I will read some of it lines:

          ይበርክቱ ኣብ እንዳ ዓዋተ ዳስ
          ክእርሙ ነታ ብርዒ ትዛተ ኣምሲልካ ሓምስ
          ቋንቛ ምስ ሃይማኖት ዶ ምስ ገለ ዶ ትሓዋውስ

          * the poem was thumbed up by three famous poets of awate forum.

          Nota Bela: you need translation tell me , I am also fluent in Arabic and Amharic.

          Ciao amigo

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selam Kim Hanna
          If I am not mistaken, you are Ethiopian. If so, why would you care if Arabic is our 2nd language? As long as it is not in Ethiopia, I am not sure why it bothers you.
          If I may add a comment here, those Eritreans who are objecting openly, these are most probably honest people. I have seen few people that I know who rejects Arabic when they discussed in front of Christians they know and objects with a covert nicks. I gave up convincing some of these.
          I prefer direct people than pretenders, even if they misunderstood the subject they are discussing.

          • Abi

            Hello Electrical Engeenier MM (EEMM)
            I suggest you calm down a bit before you burn some essential fuses. Although you are short circuited by design, try not to start burning fuses before Independence Day. I’m talking about July 4th. Not the other one. You know…

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abi
            How did you know? I was just replacing my fuse.

          • Abi

            EEMM
            Make sure that the new set of fuses are compatible with your motherboard. You can’t afford any problems that come with power surge.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thanks for the advice, Abi.
            This time, I have added some TVS diodes to clip any unexpected surges 🙂

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam MebrahtuLight,

      There is no rational reason, which advances the wheels of progress, for making Arabic a national language of Eritrea. It is utter madness.

      • MebrahtuLight

        Hey Simon

        What is even crazier is if these Muslim elites were in control over Eritrea, do you think the Tigrinya language would even be a co-national language? I highly doubt it. When ELF (a descendant of the Muslim League) came into existence in 1961, they made Arabic the only language of their organization. They only added Tigrinya as a co-language when the demographics of ELF were switching in favor of Tigrinya people in 1971. So I guess ‘the covenant’ that these Muslim elites talk about only applies for Arabic. Tigrinya is only added when they carry the majority of the burden in the battlefields.

        I remember Awate leaked the names of the martyrs of the Border War. I remember reading their names and ages. I didn’t see 50% Muslim names. It was clear Tigrinya people were disproportionately martyred in that war and they continue to be disproportionately the ones serving in the military. So if we’re not equal in the battlefields, why should we be equal politically and linguistically? If I’m paying significantly more of the rent, how can someone who pays less than me have an equal say? Fair question, right?

        I’ve spoken to the Eritrean youth in the military. None of them are aware of covenants made by people in the 1940’s. None of them are aware that Arabic is, on paper, supposed to be an equal to Tigrinya. All they know is Tigrinya is the language of Eritreans, Arabic is a foreign language and that Isaias is cruel. They have the guns. They make the rules.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam MebrahtuLight,

          Look at all these Arabic speaking countries. They have become a laughing stock, but they are oblivious to this fact.

          They are not the type that can inspire progress to poor Eritrea. Surface polished here and there, but firmly chained to the past deep at heart.

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hi Simon

            They want Eritreans to be like Sudan. A country filled with people who claim Arab identity even as their dark skin betrays them.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Simon:
            No need for you to be a contrarian knowing the truth and the facts.
            Forget the argument that there is a merit or not to make Arabic a Working Language of Africa!
            Let us accept the simple fact that it was a Political Decision by the Elected Assembly for a noble cause for the sake of the Unity of Etitreans’

      • A.Osman

        Selam Simon,

        Check the following academic paper:

        Language, Education, and Public Policy in Eritrea – Tekle M. Woldemikael

        It covers language policy from 1991-1997 and the challenges during its implementation. I think it is a must read when discussing such topics as at times we look out of touch when making certain statements.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam A. Osman,

          Thank you for the reference.

          It is a good paper. It shows that the GOE has been flexible in its language teaching policy at schools.

          It also shows that the choice of Arabic by nearly all of the Muslim ethnic groups [I see the fingerprints of the elites here], as a medium of instruction at schools, rather than their mother tongue, is mainly motivated by religion.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Kaleab,

            The effort to impose or reject at certain level is elite driven and is expected to be. Without going back to the document, from memory, only the Kunama accepted the mother tongue policy, with partial success with the Saho. Even the Christian minorities, instead of opting to their languages, they opted for Tigrigna, as that serves their children for better opportunities.

            Tekle M. Woldemikael based on the constitutional guarantee, goes to claim that government has somehow failed. It sounded like a wish to doubling down, while all they need to do is follow what people choose and focus on academic achievement post primary education.

            What is sad in Eritrea, even when English takes over, the indefinite national service and the bleak future that awaits students has not encouraged many to excel.

            Regards
            AOsman

  • Nitricc

    The writings are in walls: i have never seen TPLF thugs give it to them as is. Altough the TPLF thug did not answer the key questions never the less, the dude doing the asking deserves some credit. one thing i take from this interview is that the Thugs days are numbered and simply put, TEDEFIROM!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDmmiORBBZE

    • Hashela

      Selam Nitricc

      It is interesting that Sium did not deny that in Badme TPLF is currently distributing land for settlement purposes ( starting at 55 minutes). Based on time sequence of high resolution satellite images, this observation and its implication for peace was brought in this forum. A TPLF cadre said there is no evidence for kind of activities. Now Sium is conforming by not denying it.
      These activities substantiate the notion that TPLF is not ready for demarcation and peace. To the contrary, TPLF is adding fuel to the fire, the division, grievances by currently expanding settlements on sovereign Eritrean territory

      • Haile S.

        Selam Hashela,

        The dishonesty abounds. To add insult to injury, he brought a fabricated false equivalence saying the little town or village of Tsorona is expanding beyond its border into Ethiopian/Tigray territory. He said the border is at 1km of the town, a town “that is expanding”. Based on google map the border is around 3kms from the center of the town. For comparison, Asmara is between 5 and 6kms diameter, meaning a radius of 2.5 to 3kms to its periphery. He has no qualms bringing such false equivalence comparing building and expanding deep within Eritrean territory Badme with a big village that is surviving.
        Here you go, the Tsorona that is expanding at an invasive rate (lead by a regime that is being abandoned by every able youth) invading sovereign Ethiopian territory! What a dreamer for mayhem!

        https://youtu.be/YCDyuT_P8_0
        Enjoy!

        At the end, the journalist asked if Mr Seium Mesfn had any regrets. He didn’t. How can he have while he was just lying full mouth 5 minutes earlier. General Mesfn Hagos is dealing with such a person to bring a change in Eritrea! ኤርትራ ይኽደና!

        • Sultan M.G.

          Bingo Professors Hashela and Hailat!
          There is a reason as to why some of us are “obsessed with WeyAne” and its untold stories against Eritrea and Eritreans!

        • Hashela

          Haile

          Remember, Sium was the top TPLF cartographer and lawyer who proudly and confidently announced the award of Badme and its environs to Ethiopia and reminded the international community about the importance of the rule of law vis-à-vis the rule of jungle, respectively.

          It seem that within the TPLF leadership falsehood (lie) and theft is considered as a societally accepted virtue.

        • Abi

          መምህር
          Now that is a visionary leader in the making!
          See, you are going to have one on Godana Harinet.
          ፀሎት ሰሚው አምላክ ሳትፀልይ ሰማህ::
          Waiting for the Tplf activists help me with translation…

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selamat Haile,
          How about what some of the items he mentioned?
          I am getting curious here, you guys are talking a lot about Badme but you never mentioned what we have lost around Tsorena area as well as huge land on our Afar side.
          I am not sure if you guys are aware but before indpendence, the HQ of Zoba Debub was in one of those villages that are now given to Ethiopia. Again, one of those villages belongs to Berhe TsaEda. Aren’t you betraying the hero of Naqfa?
          How is that Badme worth much more than these many villages?
          Do you guys even know where Badme was before the war broke down? I am starting to suspect.
          I never heard you guys crying about what we have lost [huge compare to Badme]. Are we being fair here?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mehandsha,

            On my part, I am not interested in revisiting a done deal judgement. The rearrangement you are alluding to will naturally come when implementing the decision. Here, we are discussing a slippery personality who embodies Weyane politics of intrigue and worked to impoverish and frustrate Eritrea in every aspect (I know! Isayas is not better in practice) for the last two decades. I don’t think I need to remind you the various changing policies he has been advocating during these times. Lately, he has been giving interviews answering at whim and contradictory, and now bringing utterly false equivalence in the case in discussion. It is not because he accused Isayas of a “crime” he and his gang have been practicing on Eritrea for the last two decades that I am now going to confound his talk with decency and as helping for Eritrea. He proved he will never change by his latest lie.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hailat,
            That’s is the main issue with the people who claim to oppose the HGDF.
            First, we need to know what we are opposing. Badme was giving by Isayas to Woyane, to begin with. Except ELF, no one was objecting to it. Heck, not that many know where Badme is.
            You are telling me ‘The rearrangement you are alluding to will naturally come when implementing the decision.” Are you kidding me? Tell taht to the people from those villagers. Does it need to take one of DeKamHare or Segeneyti or Adi Mengoti’s villages for you to react? I hate saying that but it seems that way.

            How about what Siyum says on that Videao: Isayas loudly says, repeatedly, we don’t care about the border issue? Have you heard that part? Isn’t that true? He said it many times. Our priority is Ethiopia’s stability..etc.. he said that few times.

            Or issue is that in stead of focusing on the evil guy in Asmara we are diverting out attention to the secondaries.

          • Haile S.

            Mehandsha,

            First, I believe the agreement is final. If there are possibilities if swapping, it is in the central zones. But now you are including Badme into the mix that I was at least was not aware of. I am not insensitive of those living in the border zone. But the border need to be decided somewhere.
            Yes it is true Isayas said what you mentioned on several occasions, but I don’t believe Weyane’s reason for all their lingering was that. Too convenient for them to dwell on that now.

            When the secondaries grab the headlines and someone react, we react.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hailat,
            There was a clause the agreement, for this kind of reason.
            I guess, you had to be EPLF fighter stationed anound Tsorena or Afar region to really feel it the concern of those people.
            Syaing this from France hurts a lot of peole who fought and sacrificed for their country, whn the same country is telling them they are not theirs. Can you imagine how hurtful that is.
            No wonder we became useless opposition. How are we better than the government we are supposedly fighting? This is shameful.
            I’m done on this topic.

          • Haile S.

            Mehandsha,

            Before you are done, let me say this. I don’t mind treating me as if I live in the moon and the most insensitive person. It is your opinion, but I am not. It is so silly. I was neither in the fight nor in the negotiation, obviously! You want to throw your collected anger on someone. Here you go bring it on, I will be your sponge. I am done too!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hailat,
            We disagree on this one but it is ok because we have so many other thing we agree with each other.
            Think of this; if Isayas had to insist on the say Tsorena or Afar region rather than Badme, the whole argument would have shifted there. So, we felt in to his trap.

            There are so many issues in Eritrea bigger than this topic we should have focused but we are stuck on this.

            What does it tell you about us?
            We keep dumping our own issues on others, just like HGDF.
            Anyways, I will keep engaging you on our common interest.

          • Haile S.

            Good morning Mehandsha,

            We get stuck easily on the secondary because some of us here present the secondary as a manna from heaven who could deliver us from HGDEF. I (and certainly others) don’t agree with that. The secondary had taken Eritrea as their single foreign policy and design to rally Ethiopia that had rejected them deep in the heart. They presented Eritrea as their worst enemy when they want, and now acting as brothers from the same parent when they don’t (lost the power over Ethiopia). For me they are not secondary. They are as primary as HGDEF, perhaps worst.
            I need to say what I feel too as you did, personally though. I will continue engaging as necessary.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam መሃንድስ ምዕባለ

            “You (Haile S.) are telling me ‘The rearrangement you are alluding to will naturally come when implementing the decision.” Are you kidding me? Tell that to the people from those villagers. Does it need to take one of DeKamHare or Segeneyti or Adi Mengoti’s villages for you to react? I hate saying that but it seems that way.”

            “I guess, you had to be EPLF fighter stationed around Tsorena or Afar region, to really feel it the concern of those people.
            Saying this from France hurts to a lot of people who fought and sacrificed for their country, when the same country is telling them they are not theirs. Can you imagine how hurtful that is?
            No wonder we became useless opposition. How are we better than the government we are supposedly fighting? This is shameful.
            I’m done on this topic.”

            Cool down young man; stop venting your feelings on poor Haile 🙂
            Seriously, Haile is right on the money. And let me explain why:

            1. – In late 1970s and early 1980s, ELF tried to reason with the Woyanes on the Ethio-Eritrean border. It went nowhere.

            2. – Between 1993-1998 the EPLF/PFDJ government formed a border dispute team to negotiate and resolve the border issue. Again the border committee accomplished nothing. Why? Because…

            3. We were dealing with bad actors with an evil agenda. Instead of negotiating to resolve the “border” dispute in good faith, they were instigating, provoking and escalating the border tensions with each passing day. Finally they triggered the “border” conflict by murdering innocent Eritrean border patrol servicemen in cold blood. The rest is the 1998-2000 “border” shooting-war – which was never a war about a the border – by Meles’ own admission.

            4. – Since we both proved incapable of resolving our “border” differences peacefully, we agreed to go to the international community, present our cases, abide by their court ruling as final and binding, and move on with our lives.

            5. – The EEBC court ruling came in; and the Woyanes true to their color reneged on their end of the bargain – as expected.

            Now, that being the reality; what do you do? You’ve three choices. Please pick one; and let’s have an intelligent discussion:

            A. – Accept the EEBC court ruling for what it is worth and move on

            B. – Declare the EEBC court ruling null and void, go back to the drawing board, and negotiate border with the Woyanes (not with the Ethiopian government) afresh.

            C. – Start a shooting war to have it your way.

            Semere Tesfai

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Semere,
            You know why we are in this situation? It is because we avoid the truth.
            1. You have conveniently ignore that Isasys was the one decided to give Badme to Woyane.
            2. Isyayas was the one who started the war. He admit it and accepted/signed off on those you are referring EECBC documents.
            He never gave anyone a chance to be part of these 2. How is that legal to begin with.
            The way I see you and others like you is, as long as your village is not sold to Ethiopia, by the same guy you admire [Isayas] to Ethiopia, you are ok.
            Don’t tell me you don’t know or have never heard of Berhe TsaEda. There are many of them in Tsorena & Afar area now all of a sudden told they are not Eritreans.
            It maybe ok with you but it will never be ok with me. It is not Fair. Unelected dictator to say who is Eritrean or not. Is he Eritrean himself to begin with?
            I am starting to uspect if I am dealing with Deqi 40 here.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ጆሜትራ

            1.- “You have conveniently ignore that Isasys was the one decided to give Badme to Woyane.”

            That’s a lie. And you can line-up your best brains to defend that indefensible claim if you wish to do so. Just wrote Hateta about it few weeks back; and I’m sure you’ve seen it.

            2. – “Isyayas was the one who started the war.”

            Only if one is stupid enough to believe that the Eritrea-Woyane “border” war started in 1998. Even then, it was the coldblooded killing of Eritrean border patrol servicemen by the Woyanes that triggered the bloody war.
            But if you care to know the truth, Eritreans been fighting bloody “border” war with the Woyenes for twenty long years prior to the 1998 – “border” war. Just to let you know.

            3. – “Don’t tell me you don’t know or have never heard of Berhe TsaEda. There are many of them in Tsorena & Afar area now all of a sudden told they are not Eritreans.”

            A. – I saw Berhe TsaEda in 1976 in ElaBerEd. And I’ve heard enough stories about him before and after his death.

            B. – If the village of the hero Berhe TsaEda fell on the other side of the border (Tigray), and the village of former Ethiopian defense minister (Samora Youns) fell on the Eritrean side, where do you direct you frustration (blame) – at the EEBC ruling or at the PFDJ government?

            4. – “I am starting to suspect if I am dealing with Deqi 40 here.”

            I would chose patriot Deqe-‘RbA Eritreans who sweat bleed and die to defend and build Eritrea all day long, over coward draft dodgers DeQeBat who shed crocodile tears pretending to care for Eritrea and Eritreans from half the world away.

            Semere Tesfai

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሰመረ:
            ኣብ ራበዐይቲ መልስኻ ርዒመ። ትኻልእ ግን ኣብ ሸንኮለል ኣቲኻ ‘ሞ ኣብዚ ዓጺና ኣብ ካልእ ኣርእስቲ ንራኸብ።
            ሰላም ምሸት።

          • Sultan M.G.

            Bingo Semere!
            I won’t be shy to tell you that you should know why I love you along with Mahmuday more than other loved ones here!

  • sara

    selamat awtistas..
    since we are on the language issue…. good news to Ethiopians, they have started Arabic language tv/radio station that mainly will beam towards the Mideast. i just received a clip and looks a bold move from Ethiopia…. next is to make it one of Ethiopians working languages.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam sara,

      I don’t know about the purpose of Ethiopia beaming Arabic language program to the middle east, maybe it is a propaganda battle arsenal.

      Sara, Eritreans are the ones discussing Arabic as their working language, not Ethiopia. Are you trying to change the subject or act on the old adage of …..misery loves company, on your part.
      The day Ethiopian government declares that Arabic is an Ethiopian working language is the day Ethiopia looses its soul.
      When the Arab league, Egypt and the rest are threatening Ethiopia militarily and otherwise over GERD, you want us to adopt Arabic as our working language. I always thought you had goodwill towards Ethiopia, but you don’t. What is new?

      Mr. K.H

      • Aligaz G

        K.H.

        Are you against broadcasting in Arabic? Or is the idea of Arabic as a working language in Ethiopia that is bothering you?

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Aligaz,

          Sara’s suggestion out of the blue of making Arabic as a working Ethiopian language is what bothered me.
          In terms of broadcasting in Arabic to middle east, I am agnostic until I know more.

          Mr. K.H

          • Aligaz G

            K.H.

            I hear English and French on the radio in Addis. Adding Arabic which is another international language wouldn’t bother me much. And dont forget all the Arabic tv content people are getting over their satellite receivers. Arabic as a working language has zero chance of being implemented but 2020 being a strange year anything is possible.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam K.H.,

        Inspite of your talent, and exposure to common sense knowledge (have been reading you for sometime now), how can you contend “Ethiopia (would loos) its soul” if at all it would find it expedient for practical reasons to opt for a living language like Arabic? Equating a nation’s soul to choice of a medium of communication is a profound statement.

        When you know probably half of the inhabitant of your country do pray to their creator in Arabic, how come they would also loos soul with the other half you might have had in mind? What you would tell a loyal citizen when woul finds his/her bread and butter in doing business with a Sudanese or a Yemeni partner? . It would be practical and requirement to speak and understand rite the language, aa the reverse would also be true.

        I had lived and studied in Addis Ababa nearly half a century ago. At that time, one could hardly meet an Arabic businessman in lobbies of one of the top hotels. Of course there were many resident Yemeni small businesses. But when I returned back to visit after more than twenty years later, I found not only businessmen, but also Arabic periodicals and newspapers in some of big hotel lobbies. That was during the EPDRF era. You see, it is life and its demands that lead nations to make choices; no defensive ideologies frozen in time in self imposed isolation would hamper modern societies to opt expedient tools of life.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Ismail AA,

          I will respond as soon as I can. I also wanted to take a little time to think about what you stated.

          Mr. K.H

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Ismail AA,

          This morning I was busy looking for and reading materials related the GERD filling of the dam and before I got up from the computer I went to Awate. Sara’s post got my attention. I responded to her as if I was the ancient Egyptian who built the Pyramids, before the arrival of the Arabs. It was an emotional response to be sure.

          Arabic as a working language in relation to Ethiopia was never discussed before to my knowledge. There are a lot of Ethiopians who speak Arabic and who want to learn it for business purposes or otherwise and that is fine with me.

          I want to spot light in your statement about ….”…probably half of the inhabitant of your country do prey to their creator in Arabic…”
          If true, that is news to me. I learned something. I thought Gurage or Oromo Muslims preyed in their own language, not Arabic. You see how quickly the language and the religion get entangled.
          I will stop here.

          Your schooling and life in Addis 50 years ago, parallels mine. Probably we were within yards if not feet of each other at some point in those days. Twenty some years ago I also visited Addis and saw the dramatic changes that took place. As the world turns.
          Where the next 50 years will take us is in God’s hand and I will leave it at that.

          Mr. K.H

          • Ismail AA

            Selam K.H.,

            Thank you. My testimony about your maturity and knowledge about you country was in place. As humans, it is only natural we occasionally get swayed by emotions and become casual in our judgements.

            About use of Arabic for religious purpose, to my knowledge, it is the same as the other sector of the Ethiopians. Only learned priests and Shiekhs use Geez and Arabic, respectively, which the common folks do not understand. But they accept those languages because they believe God revealed the religions in those languages – spiritual link with the creator. It’s modern state and governance systems that should safeguard nations of diverse components from “languages and the religions gett entangled”.

            Regarding our schooling life, I was in the Arts campus in Sdst Kilo till the academic year in 1972. You are right; we could have had even rubbed shoulders and seen one another as well, or even shared dorminatoy rooms ; sat side by side and even chatted in the dinning room. Anyway, the name I use for this forum is the same. I am not sure what your real name is; probably I could recall the name.

            Thanks once more, Kim.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ismail AA,

            I was in Sidest Kilo campus in 1967 and a couple months of 1968 before I moved to U.S.
            I think dormitory rooms was probably reserved for Eritreans, H.S attempt to win hearts and minds. Excuse the pinch.

            One specific incident in a class of Humanities, taught by an Ethiopian professor, who was raised in Israel (spoke no Amharic..English only) comes to mind.
            During a class discussion on a topic the professor turned to a corner pointing to a very dark student (probably from Gambela) and asked him……as a Baria how do you think about it?
            the whole class burst in laughter. The poor kid. The professor was bewildered. Some things get seared in your brain, I don’t remember a single thing he taught or even his name.

            My name is a typical Shoa biblical name. My employers in early 70s adjusted my name by shortening it to “Kim Hanna” and I had used it as my working name, so to speak.
            I also avoid a lot of unnecessary email, texts and the like from my private phone and computer lines. I don’t know how you, Amanuel Hidrat and others handle that aspect.
            Sorry, for this excessive personal history.

            Before, I leave the topic we were discussing let me leave you with my observation in a different way.
            If I believed as a matter of faith that God chose Geez to pass down the covenant to humans in general, I would be very upset that the world is not accepting it as such. But I don’t believe God chose geez.

            Mr. K.H

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Kim:
            You made reasonable arguments in an “unreasonable” way!
            Simon sounds to be your twin brother in that regard!
            Debating on sensitive religious issues is but an “unwinnable” and non-constructive one!
            Few examples, which I witnessed a hot but disgusting argument between a Muslim and Christian Eritreans:
            The Christian listed the below:
            -Believing in a dogmatic way that Arabic is the only godly language that God relayed His message
            -Believing in the extreme aspect of the Shariah Law and related practices:
            Not sure if these Laws/Rules are based on the Holy KorAn!
            A) The brutal discrimination of women treating them as “ disposable objects”
            B ) Beheading and cutting /mutilating hands for certain non lethal crimes
            C )Deadly penalty on those, who get converted to Christianity
            D) A mandatory rule that forces Muslims NOT to marry non-Muslims (Kaffirs””)unless that non-Muslim gets converted to Islam- like our own Amb Haile Menkorios was allegedly “forced” to be converted to Islam in order to marry a Sudanese beauty!

          • Aligaz G

            Hope,
            Is the discussion about Arabic really a “debate on sensitive religious issues”? If it is then there are much wider implications at play here.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ali:
            In the Eritrean Politics, once the Arabic Language is raised, by default, it becomes a religious topic, as u might have witnessed it.
            Not my intention to do so or to be part of it!
            Mr.Kim opened the pandora box , hence, my attempt to reroute the topic to its original topic!

          • Aligaz G

            Hope,

            I know you live in the US so you understand the notion that religion is supposed to remain a private matter – a basic rule in a secular democracy. Now if the battle for Arabic in the public space is counter to creating a secularized democracy then perhaps the Tigrigna groups complaints should be heard more clearly. Perhaps they are not as bigoted as they sometimes sound. In other words if Arabic is code for Muslim and Tigrigna is code for Christian then it seems legitimate democratic questions involving group rights (public rights) such as language have become entangled with religious rights (private).

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ali:
            Your logic might be correct but not completely!
            I cannot generalize it the way you said it. The the suspicion and trust issue has been there and a major issue, if I have to be honest!
            I wish Eritreans understand things the way you do that Religion is a Private but the country is Ye-Ghara, as Janhoy would say it!
            Am not part of that group you mentioned though .
            My stand is crystal clear as I alluded it repeatedly :
            To avoid the religious politics mess ,suspicion and trust issue ,I am for:
            -Tigrinya
            -Arabic
            -English
            as Working Languages !
            And with banning (through an inclusive Constitution)of religion, region and ethnic based politics and parties !

          • Aligaz G

            Hope,

            Got it

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            One of the things i fail to understand in religious discussions is why should God choose one or the other as long as everything and everybody is his creation. He created the universe with billions of stars and planets, maybe innumerable creatures in different planets that can sustain life, etc, although human beings have given the biggest importance to themselves in the God created universe.
            Man created his own language to be able to communicate and God didn’t care whatever language they spoke, i believe. Why should then God’s language be the one or the other or why should He make a choice among so many? In my opinion circumstances happened to determine things and not God’s choice, when we speak of the languages in which the Bible or the Quoran were first written.
            I believe that it is man’s tendency to own everything, even God and religion, that complicates everything. The teaching is more important than the language in which it is written. God can’t be limited in space, time, language, whatever; nor anyone of his creations can own him. The problem in religion, i think, is failure to focus on the teachings, instead of interpreting the Bible and the Quoran according to individual and group interests, be it Muslims or Christians.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            A hypothetical question and don’t answer if you don’t want.

            He created the universe with billions of stars and planets, maybe innumerable creatures in different planets that can sustain life, etc, although human beings have given the biggest importance to themselves in the God created universe..

            How do you know God created the universe? What proof do you have to believe it?

            Depending on how you answer, I will get to the rest part of your comments.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y
            “How do you know God created the universe? What proof do you have to believe it?”
            You are asking me a question many millennia old. You either believe in God and creation or you don’t. It is as simple as that. Nobody has proved up to now His existence or His non-existence, and nobody will ever prove it. The majority of human beings, Christians and Muslims alike, believe in God and His creation, ie. the universe and everything that exists in it, and atheist do not.
            Scientists say that the big bang created the universe. I don’t think that they have proved it yet.
            Do you expect me to give you the answer to the biggest question ever? Leave it to those who believe without asking for a proof.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            That’s what I am getting at and my understanding/answer is the same as yours. But the key question is “believe” and that’s upto the individual to believe what ever they chose to be believe.

            If we apply the same logic, that is there is no proof either way can you not use the same reason for your next question that you are try ot find an answer (or force your believe to others) when you say
            Man created his own language to be able to communicate and God didn’t care whatever language they spoke, i believe. You will not have any proof of this either, if I can say.

            So if someone wants to believe God only listens to Geez, Hebrew or Arabic, then what rights do you and I have to say otherwise.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            If God had intervened, the language of all human beings would have been one single language We may call it the language of God. There was no need for thousands of languages as there are today. Such thing had not happened, and experts have a good idea on how languages came to be. In addition, every language is developing even today.
            We can’t therefore see the development of languages over some thousands of years and the creation of the universe, which according to scientists is supposed to be about 14 billion years old, in the same manner.
            If God listens only to the three languages of Geez, Arabic and Hebrew, then, as they say those who speak these languages are the children of God. What about the remaining billions upon billions whose languages God doesn’t speak, as you say. Are they the children of a lesser God, or are they not in the equation? Even then, everybody can believe whatever he/she wants.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            Even then, everybody can believe whatever he/she wants.

            That’s exactly the point that I want to bring and I agree with you, that people should believe what ever they wanted to to believe.

            By this I don’t mean we shouldn’t question or try to understand but we should leave people to decide and believe what ever they wanted to believe.

            Berhe

          • Ismail AA

            Selam K.H.,

            Thanks for sharing a bit of our time in Sdst Kilo. It refreshes our memory of an interesting time in student activism that had out reached to broader national events that became catalyst for bringing the downfall of the imperial regime. You left at the most critical juncture of student activism. You might recall the assassination of Tilahun Gizaw in December 1969, and en the masse withdrawal of students. I was a second year student at the time; we had to make up for the lost time by attending classes in Summer recesses.

            I can see you left at an early youthful age, and should admire you for keeping abreast the affairs of your country. Not too many people do that.

            Just a point in passing lest we misunderstand one another. About Geez as spiritual language, my point alluded to the believers on the receiving end. As we all know, religions were revealed through the agency of prophets who were human beings speaking languages their folks spoke. Jesus spoke in Aramaic as Prophet Mohammed did Arabic. Proselytizing had to be in the language they knew and spoke. The message was transmitted to the believers as the word of God, and inculcated in mind sets of societies as though God was speaking the language.

      • Brhan

        Hell KH
        The Ethiopians, including people from Tigray, Oromo, Somali and Afar have closed this issue of official language in 1993 when they ratified their constitution which officially states that Amharic is the official language of FDRE. At that time some people who had grievances with the language because of it was the language of ruling class, thought about English. But they were defeated by pragmatic people who saw that teaching the people English from scratch while there is a common language is waste of time , effort and money.
        An issue that is settled by a constitution is a closed file and it is not like what you assuming easy. BTW Egypt has had an Amharic radio station since the 70s of the last century.

        Thanks,

        • Kaddis

          Hi Brhan –
          I thought all those regions you mentioned made Afan oromo, tigrigna, Afar and somali languages as the official language ..and.Southern region, Amhara region maybe Benishangul and Gambella – adopted Amharic as a working …language ..and the new comer Sidama is expected to drop Amharic and Sidama Afu as thiers.
          The Arab language service they started is out of pretension, trying to show they are actually fighting Egypt, not out of addressing Ethiopian Arabic speakers or the region:
          while Abiy is already paid by UAE two years ago and its a done deal on Egypt’s favor. What you see is the drama to sell a fake deal making both Al Sisi and Abiy a winner. PR can do that

        • Samuel

          Selam Brhan,
          Just little correction, it’s not intentional on your part but just to have some clarity. Amharic isn’t official language in Ethiopia, it is the working language of the federal government. The federal government don’t have constitutional mandate to impose any language to the regional States. Each regional state has their own official language, however Amharic will be the working language on federal entities. For those who doesn’t speak the regional language they will use Amharic to get service in the regional state offices.

          On education for example, the State governments have the right either to take Amharic as a subject or reject it. In Tigray for example students take Amharic as subject from grade 1 to grade 12.

          Here is the constitution:-
          Article 5 Languages
          (1) All Ethiopian languages shall enjoy equal state recognition.
          (2) Amharic shall be the working language of the Federal government.
          (3) Members of the Federation may by law determine their respective working languages.

          Thanks,

          • Brhan

            Hello Samuel,
            Official language is a term used worldwide both in media and academy but the Ethiopian constitution can use the working language term if its sees that it fits its spirit. You can even google any country and wikipedia will use the term official language when it comes about the language/s of the country .There must be a reason for those Ethiopians who drafted and ratified the constitution to choose one term from the other.
            But I congratulate Ethiopians for closing the issue long time ago. Here in Eritrea, it is cycle not only because we do not have a constitution, but also those who drafted the constitution (1997) that was killed by Isays have not even addressed it properly. Have they done that we wouldn’t have the cycle to distract us every time from our big issues: justice, democracy and rule of law in Eritrea.
            Thanks again Samuel and keep the good work.

      • sara

        selam K.M
        sorry i offended you with my comments…. what i meant was its good for Ethiopia to have Arabic language, Ethiopia being a large country with a lot of economic potential towards the Arab world and the Ethiopian people could benefit from it…. look at it positively…. note there are over a million Ethiopians working in the Arab world and this continues to grow as we speak… and a lot of Arab fdi is in Ethiopia and many arabs wold consider ethiopia a tourist destination if arabic language is popularized.
        therefore my comment does not have any ulterior motive except the welfare of ethiopia and i still want to assure you i am a well wisher of ethiopa to be a united ,democratic and prosperous country.

        • Teodros Alem

          sara
          Arabic news pepper and radio was there since long long time, arabic language i say the 3rd spoken language in the cities of ethiopia , more than even local language, arabic music even is, i say the 3rd popular music in ethiopia in the cities ,
          I know u have bad intention but that is the fact and km abi ….they r deceiving or they don’t know anything about the real ethiopia except thier little village.

          • sara

            selam ato tedros
            please correct it/// “I know u do not have bad intention”
            thank you

    • Selam sara,
      One of the main reasons arabic has been introduced in news broadcasting in ethiopia is to counter egyptian propaganda against ethiopia and the gerd. The arab world has a one-sided and biased information that comes from egypt about ethiopia and the ethiopian dam. Swahili could be next if there is reason for it. The problem is that you are over enthusiastic and you give the topic a political and religious extension.

      • Brhan

        Hi Horizon
        There has been an arabic newspaper in Ethiopia called العلم ኣል ዓለም…during the Derg , and I strongly belive it was there before and after the derg.

        • Selam Brhan,

          That is possible. The point is that it didn’t have wide distribution and it was meant for the few ethiopians who could read arabic and the diplomatic mission in the city from arab countries of the times. I think that nobody had any idea about the newspaper outside the country, maybe people who visited ethiopian embassies.
          On the contrary, today in the age of social media, satellite news distribution, and especially fake and purposely misleading news about ethiopia and the ethiopian dam that comes from egypt, news in arabic from ethiopia directed to the arab world which tells the reality on the ground is deemed necessary by many ethiopian experts.
          Just a day ago egyptian media was distributing fake and misleading news saying that filling the dam has been halted and egyptian politicians have come out winners, while in actual fact the thing that happened was giving two weeks time to come up with a deal, and nothing has changed. After that date ethiopia will start filling the dam, deal or no deal. That was the time ethiopia would have waited anyway until the peak of the rainy period. Much more it was meant as a face-saving move for the egyptian side than any change in the schedule.
          When such lies are distributed on a daily basis by the egyptian government and journalists, it is necessary that ethiopia should counter the systemic lies with the truth.

      • sara

        selam Horizon
        please think positive and see my reply to KM below..

    • Sultan M.G.

      Ahlen Bikki Ya Ikhtinna Saritta!
      Asenayki!
      I think Arabic used to be aired through the ETV during the derghi regime as well but for a propaganda purpose!
      No need to include your last statement though.
      I think Arabic is now part of Daily life of the Eastern Zone of Ethiopia …. in schools and in business!

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Hope,

        Tigre yes. But Arabic I don’t remember.

        Berhe

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Berhe

          Yes, Ethiopia during Derg time had Arabic radio broadcasting program. I use to listen to it.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere,

            Thanks Semere, this is the first time I am hearing it.

            I don’t rennet there was different station because it use to be one station and depending on the time, it switches program. Tigre, Tigrinya, Amharic the rest of day. I don’t remember Arabic was in the line up.

            I am referring during Derg times.

            Berhe

      • sara

        selamat hope…. i wrote my comment with a positive intention nothing apolitical…. infact me being a late comer to the world had no much knowledge of Ethiopian languages even though i open ethiopian tv to follow things over there but so many what is said doesn’t sip into my mind as the language is so
        so…. therefore adding this Arabic channel was a plus and yesterday i had my tv showing ethiopian Arabic services with news and analysis and was able to catch ethiopias position on the GERD with Egypt.

  • Brhan

    Hello awate,
    Invited by the Sudanese government, the dictator is in the Sudan. Thanks to the presence of Sudanese commentators in the Sudan; their analysis of why DIA is in Khartoum for three days (June 25, 26 & 27, 2020) is shading some light to the purpose of this visit which Eritrea’s gov’t is hiding.

    1. He will convince the Sudanese to open the border with Eritrea. The Sudanese closed the border to stop the spread of COVID 19 but as reported by BBC there is hunger in Eritrea cities near the border and food scarcity in the city of Asmara. With no trade at all at south of the border , this western border has been vital to Eritrea.

    2. Tigray which borders the Sudan will be also present in the agenda according the newspapers. Tigray is going ahead with its plan to do elections rejecting Abiy’s appeal to postpone elections due to COVID 19. DIA who is stunt foe of the Tigray regional government will try to convince the Sudanese to be with him and of course Abiy to contain TPLF if it moves to separate from the rest of Ethiopia.

    3. Some commentators see that DIA has no role to play with regard to GERD. He is Abiy’s body and the Sudanese have made their mind and are standing with Egyptians. Others also say that Egypt is trying to attract DIA to its side with regard to GERD by promising investments and military station in Eritrea.

    4. There is also the topic of ethnic unrest in Eastern Sudan, including Kassala, and the Sudanese who invited DIA may convince DIA to be in their side to contain this unrest.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Birhan:
      I wish you added your analysis or feedback based on the alleged analysis of the Sudanese’s Analysts.
      Granted, irrespective of the veracity or validity of the above analysis:

      -What is your take ?

      -What are the problems if PIA asks the Sudanese Govt to open the border in the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans ?

      -Are you sure that it was the Sudan’s unilateral decision to close the border?

      -Didn’t the GoE close all borders after the Covid-19 crisis started?

      -Isn’t the flooding of new comers or arrivals from the Sudan, which tripled the covid-19 cases in Eritrea ( Gash Barca)?

      -Didn’t the official News report mention that both PIA and the Sudanese Min suggest for
      a “ Home-grown” ( HoA)solution for Ethio-Sudan-Egypt Nile Crisis?)!!

      -Aren’t you contradicting by saying that Abiy is PIA’s buddy and will side with him and at the same time telling us that PIA will side with Egypt for rewarding PIA with military aid including getting a Naval Base in Eritrea( funny that Egypt offering Eritrea to build a Naval Base in Eritrea vs PIA begging to offer Cairo to build a Naval Base in Eritrea???)!

      -Why are you afraid to criticize the Tigrai Regional Govt/TPLF for its messy and destabilizing role ?

      Cheers!

      • sara

        hope habibna,
        dont worry, in kassala we are doing fine… going back and forth to eritrea despite the covid 19. more over the gov in the region is kind of as if you are in tessenei .

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ሰብ ዓወተ

    ሕልሚ ቋናቑ (ቋንቋታት)፡

    ባእሲ ቋናቑ ዘይብላ ኤርትራ
    ክድህስስ ሓደርኩ ኣብ ሕልመይ ብመርመራ
    ኣሊፍ ግእዝ ተሪፉ Sign language ጥራይ ዝዝውተራ

    መልሲ ረኺበ’ይለ ወይ ኣነ መሃንዘል
    ክስሕቕ ሓደርኹ ከ’ዕልልልልልልል

    ብር ኢለ እንተገንጸልኩ ዌብ-ርኢት
    Sign language ኣብ ክንዲ ሓንቲ፡ ኣሽሓት

    ናይ ትግርኛ ናይ ኣምሕርኛ ናይ ዓረብ ኣለዎ
    መሲሉኒ ዝነበረ ንኹሉ ብሓንቲ ዝተካእክዎ

    ኪዲ በሊ! ከም ዝበሎ ኢንጂነረ
    እንሃልኩልኩም ተረፈ ኣንቃዕሪረ

    • Brhan

      ሰላም ሃይለ

      ቋንቛ ደኣ ሳይንስ
      ኣብ ላባራቶሪ ዝድህሰስ

      ብሰንኪ ቋንቛ ዝባኣስ
      ቲ ማሃይም ጥራይ እዩ ቲ ሃሳስ

      ነብለሉ ወስ ወስ
      ሃሁ ቋንቓ እናበለና ደስ
      ከምዚ ከማኻኒ ከም መሃንድስ
      ምዕባሌ ዘለዎ መንፈስ
      ይበርክቱ ኣብ እንዳ ዓዋተ ዳስ
      ክእርሙ ነታ ብርዒ ትዛተ ኣምሲላካ ሓምስ
      ቋንቛ ምስ ሃይማኖት ዶ ምስ ገለ ዶ ትሓዋውስ

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት

        ቋንቋ ዶ ‘ልኩም?
        ከምዛ ትፈልጡኒ ኣነ ድኹም

        ኣነ ‘ተፈተኹዋ ቋንቋ
        ንሳ ‘ተነዓቐትኒ
        ከምዘይብለይ ጣቋ

        ተረባረብ ኴኑ
        እነሀልካ
        መሃንዲስ ኣጥፊኡ መኣዝኑ

        ገሊኣ ፈረንሳ ትብል
        ገለን ድማ ጀርመን ተመሲሓ
        እንግሊዝ ከም ሰኮንዳ ትጥቕልል
        ወረ ጣልያን ኣለካ
        ኣፋ ትጸርገሉ ከም መንዲል!

        ዓረብ ትብል ቃል ምስ ሰመዐት ግን
        ዙረት ናይ መሬት ይንህር
        ኣሎ ዘይበሃል ሕምብሊል
        ብርሃን ድሓን ‘ዶ ኣይነበርካን
        ‘ታይ ገበርኩኻ ዝኹሉ ሸንኮለል?
        ኣደብ ግበር ኣዋዕ
        ትግርኛ ስለዝኾንካ በስመ-ኣብ በል
        I know I know
        ኣጆኻ ቢስምላህ በል
        ኣየ ቋንቋ ዝገብር!

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ብርሃን

        ሓቅኻ
        ቋንቋ ብርሃን’ዩ ከማኻ
        ምቁር ከም ግጥምኻ
        እቲ ዝበልካና ትሕሾ ንስኻ

        ቋንቋ ትንፋስና ኣብ ዓወተ ንዋስኣሉ
        እንታይ ምኾንና ንሱ እንተዘይህሉ
        ተራእዩኒ’ኮ ብምልክት ክንዛተየሉ

        ይብሉ ቅዱሳን መጻሕፍቲ መጀመርታ ተፈጥረ ቃል
        ኣዳም ምስ ተጠፍጠፈ ምእንቲ ከድምጽ ዕልል

  • said

    Greetings,
    Thank you yassin hamid for article
    Just to give one example that Arabic langue is rich enough to be the scientific that Ibn Sina wrote The Canon [Al-Qanun] of Medicine in Arabic , often known in the West as Avicenna was a Persian polymath who is regarded as one of the most significant physicians, astronomers, thinkers and writers of the Islamic Golden Age, and the father of early modern medicine. Wikipedia .
    Avicenna, or Ibn Sina (980-1037) as he is known in the Muslim world, a Muslim scientist who has had a profound and lasting influence on the field of medicine. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy quote According to historian Jamal Moosavi, Avicenna’s works continued to play a pivotal role in the development of medicine in the Muslim world and Europe for 600 years after his death and in his work he combined the disparate strands of philosophical/scientific thinking early Islam into a rationally rigorous and self-consistent scientific system that encompassed and explained all reality, including the tenets of revealed religion and its theological and mystical elaborations. In its integral and comprehensive articulation of science and philosophy, as reported
    the very idea of quarantine is rooted in the scientific work of Avicenna who had argued for controlling “the spread of diseases in his five-volume medical encyclopedia The Canon [Al-Qanun] of Medicine, originally published in 1025 ‘. Avicenna wrote the medieval textbook of Galenic medicine the Qanun (the Canon), Nasir al-Din al-Tusi (1201-1274) was identical in his fusion of science, in his case astronomy, and philosophy, particularly his commentaries on Avicenna’s mystical work.

  • in peace,
    People, what is the difference between the tyrannic entity ruling Eritrea, for its minister of difformation minister Yemane GebreMeskel (@Hawelti) blocked me (@Seber_Angle) from Tweeter. Also Awate.com refusing to post my article “Romanticization of Absolutism”. what is the difference of the element of PFDJ and Awate?

    • Paulos

      Yosief,

      In peace to you too. I would assume, out of courtesy, Awate explained it to you the reason they declined to publish your article. But you can tell us the nub so that we can discuss on its merits. Here in this Forum I mean.

      • Saleh Johar

        Selam Paulos and Yosief,
        I replied to Yosief out of courtesy. If we reject an article we do not have to explain, just like any editor. But we are nice and we replied.

        Yosief has been doing this repeatedly. Here is what I replied to him:

        Yosief,
        Thank you

        Please read our posting guidelines at the very bottom link on the website page. Unfortunately we do not publish content already published elsewhere. It has to be exclusive to awate.com.

        Thank you.

        NB: 1) Yosief seems to base his position on the PFDJ depending if he is blocked from an account or not. Will he be okay with them if he is unblocked? I don’t know
        2) comparing awte.com with the PFDJ says a lot about his understanding of an editorial decision and the difference between the two.
        3 I wish he rethinks his position and submit fresh article if he do wishes. We do not accept Haadari Or zAssewe Enjera.
        4) please realize the abuse that we go through to run this outfit as if it is a Starbucks announcement board: chair for sale, a white cat lost, etc

        Thank you Yosief

      • what is different between the tyrannic PFDJ and narcissistic awate.com?

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    We have the luxury at our own academic disposal to debate on Ontological issues if the chicken beat the egg to exist first. Or if Arabic was there first before the heavens said, “Let there be Tigrinya.”

    BBC Tigrinya edition is reporting a grim reality on Eritrea–Eritrea in a time of Corona. I wish I could post the link for it walks you through a poignant picture where children are dying of starvation pretty much in every part of the country but more pronounced in the Lowlands.

    The regime under the pretext of no any other way but a total lock down is taking its dire toll on the people where three months with meager food supplies including shortage of water is hardly a concern for the people but a sinister motive instead. Good People from abroad pulled money to help out the people but the people do not know where the money is for their lives are turning from bad to worse. Again, children are dying and if this doesn’t knock out the regime’s supporters of their slumber, not sure what will. Corona doesn’t kill children but a supposed measure to protect the adults kills the children. This is how bizarre the whole thing is.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Dr. Paulos,

      The dire situation in the country has always been heartbreaking from any angle one looks at it. This guy at the helm of the regime will go in to the annals of history as uniquely brutal dictator who relished the suffering of the people. We listened to eye witness testimonies of former fighters within the ranks of his organization during its bush days how individuals died in boiling water. This is extreme sadistic mental condition. It does not make difference to him when children perish in scores due to starvation in the way you have stated above. The sad part of the whole thing is when the opposition proves helpless and the loyalists celebrate his sick behavior.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        It breaks one’s heart to see children dying of starvation in these day and age in a country not at war where it could be understandable if the case was in Syria, Yemen or Libya. But of course, one can make a valid argument where the regime is at war with its own people. The issue at stake is not if it is descriptive or prescriptive but normative where it is a moral question choosing between right and wrong. The supporters of the regime can defend the regime for a reason only known to them but to remain indifferent when children are dying is unforgivable. Sad really sad!

        • Dani Paradizo

          @Paulos & @Ismael,

          Your argument falls on its face in so many ways that it’s actually very emblematic of the dire condition of the Off-position.

          First, you used BBC Tigrigna as a source to assess current conditions in Eritrea. That’s like expecting a serial thief to act and think straight. Have you ever asked what’s the BBC doing in Africa– reporting in local languages? Oh, yea, forgot, destitute and ungrateful Africa brought it to itself and thus is to blame for it.

          Second, deep inside, Off-positions must be rejoicing about the BBC report because such cruel child-starvation-murder stories are the reasons PIA needed to go to the ICC. Yet since that ICC effort fell on its face (just like the gazillion plans concocted by geniuses like you), this latest bombshell report by BBC Tigrigna should trigger the people inside to rise-up and remove the regime.
          Remember, that task (removing the regime yourselves) should have been your #1 goal, but you decided to outsource the job to the Eritrean people. Your job has long been reduced to instead doom and gloom enda-swa-style rumor-mongering. I mean no single tangible act whatsoever to speak of in 30 years (waiting at the Eritrean border with luggage during the 3rd-weyane offensive does not count as an ‘act’).

          Third, this article was supposed to discuss the merits Arabic as one of the main languages in Eritrea (for the 300th time I might add). Predictably, the only sure thing the Off-position has agreed on in the last 30 years has been to: escape from reality and dwell on gual-megedi-enda-swa-style-rumor-mongering (as well as on outdoing one another in describing Esayas as the devil incarnate. How one can hate a being so much yet keep talking about him day-in-day-out for 30+ years is insane).

          But I must admin. you have so-much talent in that department that you have now started reducing even your off-springs and some new generation Eritreans into ADD social-media-addicts with unsophisticated and unrefined temperament like you.

          • Paulos

            Dani,

            I am afraid you lost me. What does Off-Position mean? If you care to elaborate. Much obliged.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረን ኢስማዒሎን:
            ክንደይከ ትደፍሩ? ኣብ ሓዳስ ኤረትራ ወይ ድማ ተስፋ-ኣልቦ ኒውስ ዘይወጸ ዜና ኣብ ቢቢሲ ርኢናዮ ኢልኩም ክትደግሙ?
            ብሰንክኹም ሕጂ ቢቢሲ ኣብ ሊስታ ህግደፍ-መንደፍ ኣትያ።

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            That is the face of Totalitarian regime. Thing is though, Isaias himself is telling his supporters ቀደም ባጽዕ ሉል ናይ ቀይሕ ባሕሪ ትባሃል ኔራ then he asks a rethorical question when he says, ሎሚ ባጽዕ ኣበይ’ኣላ? ባጽዕ የላን፣ He says the same thing about Asseb.

            Essentially, he is saying that he has got nothing to show for but a failed regime and here you have the sycophants in denial including an eye witness account that brings more to light the ugly truth of the human cost that could have been averted the lives of innocent children as well.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            Agree.
            What I couldn’t understand is some of these educated people still support that evil guy in Adi-Halo.
            I am telling you we are screwed up people and we still think we are the best.
            We are detached from reality.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Doc:
            I said the worst about PIA and his chaotic and reckless policies!

            So there is no excuse to blame me about that!
            We agree on the destructive role of the regime ….

            Let us agree on the following facts as well in a nonpartisan way!
            Just for the sake of argument:
            -The 21 yrs old direct and systemic sanctions against Eritrea did contribution to the over all destruction of our ports in general, and to that of Eritrea’s entire infrastructure without going into details
            -The TPLF specifically boycotted the use and development of our Ports after they failed in taker over them by force
            -The TPLF played a huge negative and destructive role specifically in destabilizing and damaging the Aseb area and our Affaris in many direct and systemic ways including by setting up our Affaris to flood to the Afar State besides its destructive role directly and by proxy thru the RSADO

            -The TPLF has done its best to use the RSADO as a proxy to secede our Denkalia / Eri Affaris including using mercenary Agents and Pseudo-Intellectuals , claimed to be experts in Self-Determination and Federalism
            including sponsoring and setting up a Afar Diaspora to create an Afar State

            -The same proxies above with the help of the Pseudo-Experts, organized rallies, conferences and lobbies as if Eritrea committed a genocide on Eri Afaris
            -As a follow up of that toxic propaganda, same proxies recently told us here (sponsored by the AT),that the PFDJ Govt directly ordered for direct and systemic genocide against the Eri Afaris using the COVID-19 Crisis, which you endorsed above as such

            -The EU has continued its sabotage and systemic economic sanction on Eritrea and Eritreans using the Human Rights issue and the politically motivated lobbies by few mercenaries claiming that the PFDJ is using the EU Fund for Slave Labor, when in fact , such approaches of sanctions are the worst aspects of Human Rights abuse and injustice .
            Hint:
            -When the EU led by Germany declared shamelessly that it was funding the TPLF Govt with $500 million to create jobs for Eri Refugees in Ethiopia

            -When same EU last week rerouted the $50 million fund it allocated to Eritrea’s Infrastructure development including the renovation of Ethiopia-Eritrea Roads and High Ways with an excuse of avoiding slave labor in Eritrea is…. what now?

            Mind you that this is the same EU , which did its best to cripple ERITREA politically, economically and diplomatically for the last 20 yrs, not to mention its destructive policy of encouraging and executing effectively the Pull Factor by providing an automatic asylum status to every one, who claims to be Eritrean, despite the fact more than 49% of those Asylees were found to be Ethiopians, specifically Tigreyans!

            It is the same EU, which finally joined the CIA, M16 and the Mossad to reverse the Eritrean Independence by supporting FULLY the TPLF in 2011-2012 Per the latest partially declassified info.

            Note:
            There was a coincidence between the death of PMMZ and the planned reversal of the Eri Independence.

            As a health professional, I would have expected you to give some credit to the aggressive measures the MoH of same PFDJ Govt has taken rather than cursing and demonizing it as it is was/we’re committing a genocide!!!!

            Worse, you are quoting the BBC Tigrinya Program…as your source.

          • Dani Paradizo

            Off-positionso-called-opposition. It’s so fitting that you did lost me, though.

          • Desbele

            Hi Dani,
            I corroborate BBC’s reporting just by calling home to my relatives and family. Would you please care to call and report your findings? Hoping that you dont refer me to Haddas Eritrea or Hafa news. Just your findings.

          • Dani Paradizo

            @Desbele

            For more than 12 years now UNICEF-Eritrea, in conjunction with the Ministry of Health has been one of the best success stories in Africa in preventing child malnutrition and minimizing mortality rates.

            https://www.unicef.org/esa/stories/unicef-applies-innovative-strategies-covid-19-response-eritrea

            “Innovative strategy to restructure the management of child under-nutrition to prevent malnutrition among children
            As the country prepared to announce a 21-day stay at home order which would be extended later, UNICEF’s Eritrea’s nutrition section swung into action. Using the facility and community-based therapeutic treatment centres as the pivot, the nutrition programme worked with the MoH on how best to sustain preventive actions to address severe acute malnutrition among children under five, and to support pregnant and lactating women under the blanket supplementary feeding programme.”

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Dani:
            You are partially correct and agree with you but partially!
            The GoE could have done much better, our beef with it for not doing so or for not creating a conducive environment for Eritreans to do so!

            A simple fact:

            The best Catholic Healthcare System in Eritrea, which has done a superb job and which could have done way better in a well coordinated and managed way is DISMANTLED by none but by same GoE, which has led to many Eritreans be helpless!
            If you are a YPFDJ, you won’t understand me!

          • Dani Paradizo

            Sultan, M.G.,

            You are correct, I won’t understand you, despite you being one of the most level-headed off-positions (an oxymoron) out there. There were similar arguments and uproar when private clinics shutdown.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dani:
            Did u say that u R taking OxyContin?
            Or I read U wrong?
            I bet u r a brainwashed YPFDJ Dude with no clue how the PFDJ Junta functions!
            So,in the world of those with rotten little brain, the Catholic Healthcare and Education systems, which were serving close to a million needy Eritreans is but a joke.
            If so, you CANNOT claim yourself to be an Eritrean,morally and contextually speaking!
            But, FYI,I am a”Heads-on-Opposition” but a flip-flipper PRN!
            I have a DEA for prescribing controlled subs, in case if you need some!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Dani; i don’t how true it is but i heard that you have to be
            Catholic to get the service of the Catholic heath service. That is why i ask Sultan if Muslims and Orthodox will get the same service. If that is the case, i happy the government closed the corrupted Catholic health centers.

          • NewDawn

            Selam nitric, you are one confused chap. The catholic health service is open to everyone, my auntie works there.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Gen Nittric:
            You disappointed me today since ten yrs I have known you!
            U proved to me that you r a PFDJ propaganda intoxicated and brainwashed new born.
            What makes the Catholic Church and its humane services is UNIQUE is that, as much as its name stands for/depicts, “CATHOLIC=UNIVERSAL, its services are open and universal to any human kind under the sun!
            Google it, Dude!
            The Catholic Church is known for:
            1)The TOP ADVOCATE for Social Justice
            2)
            You might have missed His Excellency Ustaz SGJ ‘s brilliant and accurate Report on the Service of the Catholic Church!
            I thought SGJ was reporting it on the behalf of his late Cousin, BROTHER Yemanu Jehar( Johar), one of the most Genius and brilliant Clergies/ Brothers
            “The Catholic Church of Eritrea / The de Lassalle Christian Brothers( Enda Fratello)has EVER produced!
            It was a BIG LOSS for the Catholic Church of Eritrea in particular and for Eritrea in general after he passed away at age 67 due to a preventable stroke!
            As a matter of fact, it was a big loss for the Entire Catholic Church as he was a Servant of the poor people around the world …. serving in the USA, S Africa, East Africa and Europe working on the top Catholic Leadership!
            Note:
            He was the one , who succeeded in getting more than enough funds from the European Catholic Caritas to build the Anseba River Dam Project in 1985 or so.
            He was also one of the Team members, who succeeded in getting the Funds from the sane Caritas along with Christian Brothers and other Catholic Clergy members to build the best Catholic Univ of Eritrea in Africa, which was finally banned by none but our DESPOT in 1995!

            I can now witness the brilliance and the genius of Brother Yemanu Jehar in his Cousin, Bro Salih G.Jehar( Johar)!
            Knowing this FACT NOT only made me to completely change my attitude and perception towards SGJ but strengthened my staunch support and respect of SGJ!

            Brother Yemanu Jehar has a special place in my heart, not only coz he was my Biology Teacher at the Holy Savior Major Seminary of Asmera but for treating me like his youngest brother and his own loved child when I was in Addis hiding myself from Derghi on my way out!
            He was my Saviour!
            To that effect,I apologized to SGJ from the depth of my heart publicly about the miscommunication and misunderstanding with him!
            Yes, indeed, am not only a beneficiary of the Catholic Church, but am also a PROUD CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN!

            Bottom line message:

            Those Eritreans, who have been skeptical about, who have been involved in the defamatory campaign against and critical of His Excellency SGJ, should know that SGJ is MORE Eritrean than them!
            I can openly tell that he is more Catholic than some nominal registered Catholics!

          • Nitricc

            The best Catholic Healthcare System in Eritrea

            Hey Sultan MG; What is this you and your Catholic obsession. I could careless about any religion but your obsession with Catholic religion is suspicious. Let me ask you this… If my name is Abdella or Amina; do you think your best health care institution in Eritrea, the corrupted Catholic health care center will renders its service to me or to her with that name? How about you get the fact before you make a nonsensical comment. This thing happen once more. The government of Eritrea issued one central curriculum to be used to the entire school system in Eritrea. The Catholic schools fought back to the decision of the government but once they know the government means business, they accepted it. The same notification was given to Islamic school and the Islamic school of Akria; defy the order, they have chosen to follow Saudi’s religious curriculum and was funded by Saudis but the government implemented its unwavering commitment to have the nation one structured school system and the Islamist school was forced to come in to the line of the nation. My point is why do you voice your opposition to Catholic health providers yet, you have no problem for Akria Islamic school. What is the difference?

          • Desbele

            Selam Dani,
            The most recent unicef statistics report otherwise. Below is an excerpt from Saay who analyse it http://www.eritreadigest.com/eritrea-agenda-2040/
            “How healthy is the Eritrean child? How well-nourished? According to a recent report published by UNICEF (relying on data provided by the government, of course), the Eritrean child receives more immunization shots than his peers in Sub-Saharan Africa, but is significantly more underweight (65% vs 52%), suffers from more stunting (52% vs 33%) and wasting (15% vs 8%.) The long-term impacts of stunting and wasting into adulthood are quite severe. We are not even mentioning the emotional, mental health and spiritual health of the Eritrean child which has been traumatized by the Bully State and is in a very fragile state.
            How is the quality of education? This is the one area that supporters of the Isaias Administration brag about the most when it should be the one they are most embarrassed by. With its fetish for militarization, the government has wasted the opportunities of a generation of Eritreans, particularly girls (Consequently, Eritrea’s child marriage rate is higher than sub-Saharan Africa.) Here are the numbers, again from UNICEF State of the World’s Children 2019, comparing Eritrean students, with sub-Saharan Africa students:

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም የዓወተ ሕዝብ፡

    Crows and Scarecrow

    ኢትዮጵያ ቀርታ Amhara ማስፈራርቾ ከ Oromo
    ተመልሶ መጣ ተባለ ባ’ስመራ በገርገራ ዛሬ ደግሞ

    ኣግኣዚ እና ትውልደ ኣግኣዚኣን ይሆን መድሃኒቱ?
    ሁሉም ጉንጭ ለጉንጭ ሆነ ከትናንትናው ጠላቱ

    Crows and Scarecrow በመስክ ተዘርግቶ
    ዘንድሮ ያስፈራል ሌላ እንዳናጭድ የዘራነው ተትቶ

    እኔም ዘንድሮ ልግጠም ኣማርኛ ኣምሮኛል
    ራስህን ማክበር እንደ ወገኖቼ ሰልችቶኛል

    • Abi

      መምህር
      በአማርኛ መግጠም አያስከብርም ወይም አያዋርድም! በእንግሊኛና ፈረንሣይኛ ስትገጥም ውርደት ተሰምቶህ ያውቃል? ክብርህስ ጨምሯል?

      እንዴት ነው ነገሩ
      እልገባኝም ምስጢሩ
      ግራ አጋባኝ መምህሩ
      እስቲ አግዙኝ ተቸገሩ
      አቅቶኛል ምርምሩ

      • Haile S.

        ኣባ ትልቁ፡

        ገብቶኛል ጀታው ለምን እንደተደናገሩ
        ሌላውን ትተው መጨረሻው ግጥም ላይ ስላተኮሩ

        መግጠም በኣማርኛ ኣያዋርድም ካላስከበረ
        እራሳችን ራስችን መርሳት ነበር ኣነጋገሬ ያተኮረ

        • Abi

          ሊቀመኳስ
          ግጥሙሲደመደም መጨረሻው ሲቋጠር
          ትርጉሙ ሲፈታ የመንፈሱ ምስጢር
          በብርቱ ይታሰበት እንዳያደናግር
          ወዳጅ ከወዳጅ እንዳያቃቅር

          ለነገሩ አማርኛ እንዳበጇት አይደል የምትበጀው?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat
    As we speak, Oromo & Amhara soldiers are flying to Eritrea. For what reason? You tell us, elites.
    The devil is working at 100% efficiency and we are talking gibberish here.
    For those who support hgdf, for some reason, you are losing your country, just like us. Soon, it seems we all be stateless.
    Can you just stop your hatred and think logically? The devil, Isayas, is not with you. Intact he is not with anyone but himself.

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

      Do you remember the song: ምስ ባዓል ጌታቸው ምስ ባዓል በቀለ ቁሩብ ተሪፉና ክንፋላለ?

      Well, now the reverse seems to be true when the ኣይከሰርናን cruel old man invites them back to bustle and hustle. Next thing we know could as well be breathing on Eritreans neck asking መታወቅያ ወረቀት on check points as in ብሎኮ! And the people oblige and comply!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Doterre,
        Unfortunately, it is going that way. ጋሻ ውሕጅ ናወሰደና ኡስ ኢልና ንስሕቕ ኣለና። ዝገርም ‘ዩ።

    • no one

      Selamat Mehands,

      Is that confirmed? Is that possible to get Pictures and Videos with hidden camera? I mean just for conformation. I have heared one day before, but I did not tressted the Person he told me.
      I think it is a good move (do not understand me wrong) because unless we see such a bold step we are in Deep sleep. May be such Kind of action will wake up the Military.

      Sami.

      • Abi

        no one proved it.

        • no one

          Selam Keberarau,
          I think you are the commander of this Project.

          • Abi

            no one believes this allegation.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Selamat no one,
        By the time I get you any proof, it will be too late. I wish I had though.

      • Hashela

        Selam

        you right to ask these questions. The credibility of some opposition media is severely damaged by their own, unforced actions. The magnitude of the damage is immeasurable. In the absence of strong evidence, the credibility of the source does matter!

        Imagine, mid level Eritrean army officers, the most like force for a regime change, in Asmara Airport, Hamelmalo, and in Gengeren (ጀንጌሬን) are reading this 03 and are unable to reconcile it with the fact on the ground. Well, you can imagine the damage and the laughter and Schadenfreude of the regime supporters.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Prof Hashela:
          Alem Wed General is screwing up things lately!
          Check it out at his web !

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Yassinhamid,

    This topic comes now and then in a varying different formats.
    I liked this article because its attempt to sell Arabic language to the natives is filled with roughness of thought and feeble emotional appeal.
    It parallels a used car salesman attempting to sell you the car in whatever works method. It is easier to say not so fast.

    My favorite Eritrean Muslim, saay, a long time ago said that he supports Arabic for Eritrean official language status because it is a political tool to unite the diverse non-Tigrinya population. He said it in so many words. If I misrepresented what he said he can straighten me out. You see, his statement was honest.

    This author, with all due respect, does a waltz, together with a twist and break dancing at the same time.

    I just checked Google, Rashida social group, who speak Arabic are 1% of the Eritrean population. To the author, Rashida and Tigrinya are practically interchangeable. This is a little exaggeration on my part, why not. I have to make a point too.

    As far as I am concerned after everything is said and done on this topic, it all boils down to this.
    People who believe strongly that God chose the Arabic language to deliver his message and rules to the people of the world should not tap dance around to convince us that it has nothing to do with that unambiguous fact.

    Mr. K.H

    • David Samson

      Selam KH,

      I do not want to open another pandora box, but if you will, Rashida was not recognised as one of the many ethnic groups in Eritrea by ELF. So according
      to ELF, there are eight ethnic groups while EPLF added a bonus. For what reason, God knows? While at it, nobody— except for IA and his inner circles—
      knows the exact population of the country. How do you define a country with no
      population? Home work for the unknown.

      • Abi

        David
        Watching Tottenham VS West ham.
        Better than the boring language issue.
        This issue comes every month like የወር አበባ. Boring .

        • David Samson

          Selam Abi,

          I do not watch my number one enemy— not even from a distance.
          I only pay to watch some classical games, like the Man derby and the biggest of all-IL Classico. It is strange you guys can watch soccer for free while you have to pay for it. In SE Asia, football is free, while I am there, I tend to watch most games, sometimes up at 4 am.

          The other day, you had luck on your side, you salvaged a point
          from a penalty while Big brother made his blunder mistake—could not see the goal by Sheffield not only crossed the line, but it was in the middle of the goalie. Someone said, “There is no such thing as 100% efficient machine. Anything is better than African politics.

          • Abi

            It was definitely a clean goal. Sheffield got robbed very important points.
            I watch every game from almost every league. I prefer EPL. No league is as exciting as EPL.
            Spurs 2 Hammers 0 . Kane just scored.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Is there a YouTube or other way to see an Ethiopian league teams. St George was my team and the last time I saw them in person was in the year 2000. I watched the fans more than the game.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hello Mr Kim
            I have never watched Ethiopian league on TV.
            Growing up I used to go to the stadium almost every Sunday.
            I supported every team that was playing against St George.
            I don’t know if there is any YouTube available to watch Ethiopian soccer.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            In terms of technical skills and artistry, let alone the Brazilian Serie A, even the 2nd division is more exciting than the English Premier League.

        • Paulos

          Abination,

          If it was about the Weyane thugs and day time robbers, you would’ve dropped the hams in no time to add more insults to the list.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I understand this is not your league:)

    • Brhan

      Hello Kim,
      And if you attend meetings conducted by the opposition groups, including, the civic ones or if you follow gov’t media ( print, audio, video in Arabic), you will find Arabic, the langugae and religion is hardly mentioned in either of two platforms.
      Thanks

    • NewDawn

      Selam kim hanna, so it’s a push for political islam, just what we need!! Theres no solid reasoning to have Arabic as an official language in eritrea.

      • Brhan

        Hi New Dawn.
        You are right ; For the past 30 years I have been following Eri Tv (Arabic) Voices of the Masses ( Arabic) Eritrea Al Haditha ( Arabic newspaper) that are produced inside Eritrea and guess what their programs are pushing for political Islam, as you said.
        Also, I attended in meetings conducted by the opposition groups , including Yiakel, where they communicate in Arabic and Tigrinya and you are right, both speakers are also pushing for political Islam. Keep going on, enlighten us about your knowledge on language and politics, which is shallow.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Kim,

      Just focusing on being Christian who speaks only Tigrinya. What is the issue if I or my kids have the option, to learn Arabic growing up as a language?

      Where I live French / English is official language. English is the majority, probably 75% but still iFrench is an official languages. It’s almost impossible to get federal government job if you live in the capital and do not speak French. The French pushed for the official language because it helps them advance as a society otherwise, they would have been swallowed by English but here and from the US.

      But each provinces make their own education decisions and there are a couple who are official bilingual but most incorporate at least as a second language requirement and some have immersion program (mixed) and some school offer only French (even in the English speaking provinces).

      All are public funded schools but the private school can do what ever that they want with the education system guidelines.

      For example, we were lucky and happen to send our kids to French immersion public school and it’s working quite well.

      Knowing another language, a friend told me, fir sure you will not be ignorant / stupid.

      I can honestly say, this is the case with most of the people I come to know. Even here in aware.com, there is clear demonstration of that. When you learn another language, you are not just learning to speak, but also you learn to culture, the food, the history of others that you, as person, gets to appreciate.

      So being an Eritrean, I see nothing but an advantage, let alone being a Muslim, but being Christian has a huge advantage. For Sudan us in be of our biggest trading partner. Yemen and Saudi are next door, and the gulf state’s and Egypt. Why shouldn’t we make it our own and learn it and take advantage of all the economic, social and other aspects.

      It’s perfectly ok, we don’t make it mandatory but make it optional for people to learn those who chose to as a second option.

      I understand the concern some people who speak other than Tigrinya have, if they opt to teach their own language as well (e.g. Tigre) and that’s perfectly ok.

      For example, I have never learned any schooling in Tigrinya that I remember. I never wrote an essay, an assignment of reading a book etc. The only Tigrinya I learned was, during the bible class in the catholic school that I attended. All my schooling was in Amharic and English starting grade 7.

      Let me clues this with final question.

      Ethiopians have that I come to know, be it those from Tigray, Amhara or Eritreans/ Ameche who grew up in Ethiopia, they all with 99% accuracy have allergy with Arabic or the muddle East?

      Like you are asking real / true explanation, what is the real issue with Arab / Arabic language for Ethiopians?

      And sometimes, I wonder, even in Eritrea, it’s those Ethiocentic Eritreans who promote the agenda and campaign against it.

      Berhe

      • Lebam

        Hello Berhe,

        “Like you are asking real / true explanation, what is the real issue with Arab / Arabic language for Ethiopians?”

        The answer to your question is obvious and I believe you know it too. The issue with the Arabic language is Islamophobia. In particular the fear that Islam will spread more in that region and “takeover”.

        Muslims can see through this easily and the foolish reasons to not allow Arabic, which many can speak for many reasons, becomes personal. Suffocating Islam is not possible, it actually grew under those specific conditions.

        My personal opinion on this subject as a Muslim, is that Arabic and English should become the second official languages. I wish for a secular and democratic country were everyone can be what they choose to be.

        • A.Osman

          Selam Lebam,

          Nay Lebamat gedifkas…Kab sesaEkum neqoxaxe Aynet kolel tiwesekhela allekha.

          In the 50s the issue of choosing official language caused much debate and after Tigrigna was unanimously accepted and it was the turn of Arabic, it went wobbly, but the parliamentarians reached a negotiated settlements as national interest was bigger than the splitting over a national language.

          After independence, I remember on returning to our regular Amharic class, our teacher asked us yound students if should we carry on with Amharic? All replies were unequivocal rejection of the idea. It was at that point she taught us not to hate a language as it will only enrich us. We all appreciated her wisdom and moved on with the switch to Tigrigna.

          One commentator proposed Hebrew to up the ante, not realising that Muslims will queue to learn the language if Eritrea was able to offer it or Geez and anything within its capacity.

          When this debate starts, it stops at the superficial level and it does not cover details of what is expected with the options of single, dual or multiple languages. Currently, Eritrea has tried the dual on paper and single in practice while mother tongue policy is supposedly practised in education. The challenge with the current approach has been covered in detail by Idris Aba-Are. Nothing better is expected from a government who has gone further to even shut down private institutions. We should discuss such topics to have a deeper understanding of the issue and look into workable solutions.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Lebam

            Selamat A.Osman and sorry for the late reply.

            I understand what you’re saying and have read about the institutions closing and some getting prisoned. I will always support equality and religious freedom. Learning languages is always beneficial, and a complex language like Arabic will surely have benefits attached to it, be it religious or otherwise.

            However, I would like to explain what I don’t like, or support.

            We are Africans, we hail from a country that has a rich history and culture. I want to preserve that and maintain it. I don’t want us to become Arabs, or Arabefied. What I mean by that is that it has gone way past religious reasons and become culturally connected to them (Arabs).

            That is what I don’t like. I don’t want anything to do with Arabic culture if it isn’t for religious reasons.

            Why do we Eritrean Muslims need to be Arabefied when the Bosnian, Albanian, Turkish, Somalian, Dagestanien Indonesian, Malaysian and many more do not?

            We hail from the country just like others yet we somehow forget our heritage.

            I want Tigrinya, Tigre, Saho, Afar, Kunama and others to connect with their rich culture, language and heritage.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Lebam,

            Both sides are not against Tigrinya, Tigre, Saho, Afar, Kunama and others to connect with their rich culture, language and heritage, but how each connects is their choice….and each tribe champions how to inherit it culture to their offspring, we don’t need to lecture them.

            Those who are accused of ID crisis or whatever, base their demand on Article 38 of the 1952 Constitution which was reached after a democratic debate by an Eritrean parliament. It states:
            1. Tigrigna and Arabic shall be the official languages of Eritrea.
            2. In accordance with established practice in Eritrea, the languages spoken and written by the various population groups shall be permitted to be used in dealing with the public authorities, as well as for religious or educational purposes and for all forms of expression of ideas.

            The 1997 constitution, presumably approved by the public, came up with the following all encompassing solution:
            Article 4:3 – The equality of all Eritrean languages is guaranteed
            That line no one can fault, but what does it mean in practice.

            From what I read so far 2 issues have been raised against current practice and the 1952 is seen as better solution.

            1 – Employment opportunities – In Eritrea without knowledge of Tigrigna, your chance of an employment within a government institution is slim.
            2 – Educational disadvantages – Pushing mother tongue policy had several challenges, preparing the curriculum, preparing teachers and after all that, the child is disadvantaged as he lost out on learning Tigrigna which is the de-facto working language.

            For someone whose children have to pay the price due to 1 and 2, Arabic provides a wider pool of opportunity that goes beyond Eritrea and covers many neighbouring countries, assuming they never communicated in Arabic with each other before (kolel kaynebl ile iye).

            Then the argument that why don’t we just drop both Tigrigna and Arabic and just implement English is thrown from the nay sayers. It is like an angry man’s reaction when he suspects his wife loves another man, even though he has not evidence for it :).
            Kemdillaye inte ilato kea – mot iyu zixebeyeke bela

            Anyway, jokes aside….since English is implemented at high level function and in higher education, the argument is moot. All Eritrean citizens will have to learn English, even if it we cry BaEdawi….I guess we need to stop being allergic to alien things.

            Wedehanka
            AOsman

      • Selam Berhe Y,

        Let me ask you these questions. Why is that egypt and the arab league are, at this very moment, vehemently opposing the God-given rights of ethiopia to build a dam on the nile and use her share of the waters of the river? Why do they intimidate ethiopia with war for asking her rights? Why is it that arab countries have been destabilizing ethiopia throughout the ages and egypt tried to invade and islamize her on many occasions and it failed? Although most eritreans have a blindspot when it comes to the help given to eplf and tplf, is it not true that arab countries have been arming tplf, eplf and somalia against ethiopia and giving moral and political support? Egypt was trying to exploit ethiopian muslims lately by dispersing fake news that ethiopian muslims have decided to stand with egypt on the the ethiopian dam. The head of the ethiopian muslims was forced to prove to ethiopians that it was a big egyptian lie and nothing else? Can you believe that such anti-ethiopian lies could be used? Don’t you think that these among so many reasons are enough to make ethiopians suspicious about arabs, especially egyptians?
        Even then, ethiopians go to find work in the arab countries, although many are killed, especially domestic workers, and the ethiopian government doesn’t want to close its doors. You may say ethiopians are in need. Everybody is in need.
        Ethiopians have more than 80 spoken languages, and adding arabic is one too many. Why shouldn’t ethiopians learn the oromo language that is spoken by about 35m ethiopians instead of learning arabic. Ethiopia is not short of languages. She uses one international language, english, and it is enough to do her business with the world community.
        Arabic is the religious language of the Islamic faith, which means that it comes with baggage, religion, unlike any other language. Such a language as arabic is, is not secular. Fortunately, ethiopian muslims are proud of their ethnic languages, culture, tradition and identity. They want arabic in its rightful place, the mosque, and they use their ethnic language in their everyday life. Arabic is already dividing eritreans and we don’t want it to divide ethiopians as well.

        One important question is, have arabs finished with promoting the arab/islam influence? I don’t think so. In the 1990s ethiopia was the target of radical wahhabi extremists, who were on the payroll of SA. That was the time when extremist ethiopian muslims started burning churches and killing christians and priests.
        Therefore, if ethiopians are forced to be suspicious, it is because they have every reason to be so.

        • A.Osman

          Selam Horizon,

          I have not followed recent development on the Nile politics. I can confidently say, majority of Eritreans are supportive of Ethiopia on this issue, you may get few odd ones supporting Egypt not out of conviction but based on pure hate of Ethiopia/Weyane etc…

          A question to you, do you draw a parallel how Eritreans feel threatened when dealing with the issue of access to the sea?

          Ethiopia with 100M in population felt strunggled when it was land locked, but overtime you realised it was no as bad and found other options. Similarly, fear is the driver in Egypt if they are told a tap is being put on their only source of water. I think their fear will be worse and kick off the survival instinct.

          The problem will linger, until there is clarity/agreement between the two nations that on aggregate both will benefit out of the dam. In the meantime, Egyptian politician will exploit the matter as it serves them to get public backing.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Selam A. Osman,

            If one looks deep into the issue of Egypt and the Nile, I really find it difficult to believe that it is entirely a matter of survival for egypt. Rather, it is first and foremost geopolitical. Even some Egyptian intellectuals are saying that it is not as the al sisi regime presents the topic for political consumption by saying that Egyptian land will dry up and Egyptians will die of thirst and famine.
            The dam is mainly an electricity producing dam and not an irrigation dam, because of its geographic position. In addition, Egypt has a huge underground water reserve and desalination is always a possibility in a natural gas rich country. Libya was tapping on the underground water reserve under the sahara desert.
            Despite this, Egypt wants to sustain the 1959 agreement it made with itself and the anglo-egyptian sudan, in which it took the lion’s share of the waters, (66% egypt and 22% sudan, leaving 12% for evaporation, while ethiopia gets 0%).
            I have always been against the landlocked status of ethiopia. If i have to draw any parallel between the two, it is that in both cases it is against ethiopia’s national interest. Tplf and eplf had the power to landlock ethiopia at the time without having under consideration whatsoever ethiopia’s long-term interest, as it happens when two countries are divorced. That is why ethiopians will find it difficult to accept being landlocked forever, thus leaving hostage their economy and security.
            Colonial borders that were adapted not because they were fair and practical, but only to avoid conflicts, are difficult to accept by the landlocked country, especially when it is the main hinterland to a port, as ethiopia is, which is separated from the sea by 60km of land. Many african countries are thinking about reexamining colonial borders.

          • Brhan

            Hi Horizon,
            Ruwanda is landlocked but look how this country is doing miracles in its econmoy . If I am not mistaken, its nickname is the Switherland of Africa. The irony is that the later is also a landlocked country in Europe doing miracles in economy for hundreds of years.
            Did I hear Ethiopia achieved economy growth since the late Meles Zenawi who did not see access to the sea as a must for Ethiopia its economy. You say many african countries are thinking about reexamining colonial borders. Can you be specific or at least does that include Abiy’s Ethiopia.
            Thanks,

          • Selam Brhan,
            It is a known fact that all landlocked countries have lower gdp (by ?40%, i don’t remember the exact number now).
            Landlocked European countries are surrounded by strong industrialised economies where road and railway transport play an important role in their economies. African landlocked countries have to export and import to and from far away places and they are forced to pay exorbitant fees, more than $1bn to Djibouti, in the case of Ethiopia.
            Mz was the odd man out who tried to prove the unprovable for his own sinister reasons, despite all indications. Tplf economic growth was debt burdened economic growth. That is why some tplf officials are saying today that it was a major mistake on mz’s part to play a major role to landlocked Ethiopia.
            As they agreed on colonial borders in Cairo together, reexamining the colonial borders will be the duty of all African leaders and not that of an individual leader, if it ever happens.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selam Horizon,
            So, your idea is to invade another sovereign country? I would recommend you to try Djibouti. Leave us alone.

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ሓንሳብ’ዶ በዛ ካሮሳይ ጌረ ኾለል ከብለካ? ሓዝ በል!

            The age old tense relationship between Egypt and Ethiopia is being shifted to Eritrea and Ethiopia instead. Egypt’s big chunk of Foreign Policy is designed on how to deal with Ethiopia so much so that it is centered on how to sustain a weaker Ethiopia. Reason being the obvious where a stronger Ethiopia would one day raise the issue of the Nile to its advantage. And it was to that effect that the Meles government dared to grab the Bull by its horn so to speak. If what Herodotus had said Millennia ago holds true when he said “Egypt was the gift of the Nile”, the gods must had been unpleased when they took Meles untimely and replaced him with a weaker person to the delight of the Egyptian leaders so that they can set the terms of the game to their boon.

            Ethiopians particularly the elites hold grudges against Meles because he left them land locked when he conspired according to their logic with ShaEbia to punish Ethiopia. As such, as much as Egypt is sleepless to see a weaker Ethiopia, Ethiopian elites as well will work harder to see a weaker Eritrea so that they can have ownership of the sea if not an access to it by any means possible. This is not a scenario among competing theories but the single most important drive and objective instead.

            The most logical question is then, what should Eritrea do of the apparent threat or how should she preempt it? Does she have to work harder to see a weaker Ethiopia so that the threat remains moot or should she find a middle ground where Ethiopia can have an access to the sea where legal means are exhausted? If Eritrea is to opt for the latter, certainly she has to clean her house first where democratic and legal institutions ought to be put in place simply because, legal as in Rule of Law and Constitutionalism will put her on a stronger footing where she could withstand any threat.

            As things stand however, Ethiopian elites will be more emboldened when they said, “We can stride all the way to Eritrea while brushing teeth.” More over, Foreign Policy 101 dictates that, strong foreign policy of any nation is not only reflected upon the nation’s internal stability but on its strong economy as well. Eritrea has neither.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            My prediction is, Ethiopia will lose on both ends.
            1. It will be fractured into few regions. I don’t think the Oromos care about Ethiopia. Why should they? They will have what they have been fighting for a half a century or so. Good for them.
            2. They will never get the ports.
            Who will be the loser? The elite ex-dergs and Hs’s

          • Abi

            MM
            Your robotic mind needs to be recalibrated. Stop by the closest Best Buy.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            You meant to say de-calibrating but this is not bidirectional. What happened to your “build the wall”?

          • Abi

            MM
            The wall will be built in due time. No doubt about it! Working on the details on who should cover the cost.
            I think we are covering the material cost . Eritrea will cover the labor cost.
            I suggest you volunteer your time and energy on this project .
            Your over imaginative and extremely mechanical mind should be put for good cause like this one.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi
            You mean to say electrical. Mechanical is for 2nd rate [no offense mechanical Engs.]
            You are sounding like a Trumpeters by the day 🙂
            Let me break the news to you, the walls will be around the Afars & Tigrayan’s, which will never happen.
            Please forget the HS map, Humera is no longer of Gonder’s. Ouch, did I spoil that for you?

            Don’t mean to spoil your weekend but did you hear what the Egyptian FM said about the dum?
            Again, your Ginbot 7 Boss, Isayas is in the Sudan, and I really don’t think that will be any good for your PP party.
            Well, you befriended with the devil. What do you expect?

          • Abi

            MM
            I expected nothing serious from a short circuited electrical engineer.
            The dam will be finished at our pace. Nothing is going to stop it from completion including your prayers.

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            Why is Isaias in Sudan? And what did the Egyptian FM say?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            The I only thing I suspect is not about peace or constructive discussions, looking at the devil’s record.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM.

            If things continue as they are now, both Eritrea & Ethiopia will be fractured into regions. Mark my word!

            The winner will be Egypt, killing two birds with one stone.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Simon,
            I hope not but I see your point. The Ethiopian elites never learn from their past mistakes. They have all the natural gift but they keep eyeing at the Red Sea. Every time they try, they fail. At the result of that, they keep their people poor.
            All they have to do to use the Red Sea is by making peace with the Eritrean people, not with the dictator.
            They are paying for using other ports, why are having hard time when it comes to our ports?
            I really believe the only way we get peace is if the Oromo people declares their own country.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            Unfortunately, in Ethiopia you are not alone with this kind of belligerent insinuation. One hopes that Ethiopia needs several decades to the solve the homework problem that TPLF gave her. This will give Eritrea enough time to recalibrate its foreign policy and form economic and defense alliances with regional forces, including Arab countries that are already showing a keen interest to establish foot in the Horn Africa. These handsomely paying Arab countries have a lot of camels that love to drink the salty water of Assab, to use the words of your beloved late prime minister. It is called business and partnership based on international laws that include respect of sovereignty and territorial integrity of each country involved. This is a mindset and civilized conduct that Ethiopia inherently lacks.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            There are two topics never exit this website: Asab port and Arabic language. Both circle around like the Tigrinya dance.

            I let you solve the language issue by yourselves. I have a solution to the port issue that will make you happy.

            WE will take our port in due time.
            In the meantime, let the camels enjoy the salty water.
            Refrain from putting too much salt into the sea.
            Thanks for your cooperation.

          • Hashela

            Abi
            every body, including Ethiopia, has the right to dream.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Dreaming is always encouraged in every society.
            The problem arises when you stop dreaming and busy running.

          • Hashela

            Abi
            I meant the dream of an old, obese, potentially diabetic, tv-addicted, bed-ridden, poor man who wastes his time watching female beach valley ball!
            The futility of that dream parallels the dream of Ethiopia about Asab.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Any kind of day dream is much better than the nightmare Eritreans found themselves in after 30 years of Arab sponsored craziness. You can’t just snap out of The affluenza induced collective dreams of slavery. It is a reality.
            The other reality is, we will take our ports in due time. Asab will be returned to the rightful owners. You can’t defend your children and women much less a vast sea.
            All you can do is call thousands of ይአክል meetings in every Starbucks around the world.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            You need more sleep and rest. Your current writing is full of bitterness and lacking the characteristic finesse, sophistication and dry humor. I recommend a short, restorative vacation in Asab, if you can speak and read Arabic!

          • Nitricc

            You can’t defend your children and women much less a vast sea.

            Hey Abiy; what do you mean when you made the above statement? who is failing defending who?

          • Aligaz G

            Hash,

            A population of 100 million with 50% under 15 yrs age destroys your lazy picture of an old obese perv. Maybe you need to wake up to reality.

          • Nitricc

            Aligaz what is the reality?

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            The reality is Ethiopia is not a senile nation chasing impossible dreams as explained to our friend above. But this doesn’t mean the old days of military adventurism are back.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            Abi gets in this mood every time Eritreans discuss about development and future plans of the country. If you notice he started to lose all his common sense last week when we were talking about tourism / potential growth opportunities for Eritrea using tourism.

            And it’s all your fault you started it all. You were saying how you would love one day to trek the Semien mountains and Bale and i asked you, if you know or start to think if “Eritrea has areas that would fit for “Natural Heritage and being protected”. And I mentioned if Eritrea can develop it’s tourism along those lines..and all alarms, went into his “little head”.

            He told me, I am talking about stealing tourists ” and went berserk.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Berhe

            You right, our suffering under our home-grown despot triggers in some people a voyeuristic satisfaction. Predictably, any mention of a positive development (even an imagined one) is enough to induce in them irrational behavior. It seems hat the defeat and removal of the Ethiopian army from Eritrea has left an irreparable damage in the psych of many Derg remnants and their off-springs.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            You have to reply to the homework I gave you, to suggest what areas of Eritrea we should consider as being a national heritage, since you like climbing the mountains.

            I think Durfo, Arbo RobuE area towards Massawa would be a good candidate.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            I confess that I am not a good student when it comes to doing homeworks. Now you have an idea as to why my parent sent me to rural Eritrea.

            I like to hike steep landscape with rapidly changing vegetation and geology. I would love to do a three day hike (~35km/day) from from Dongolo to Nefasit and from Fil-Fil to Weki.

            With regard to National Heritages, it requires a detailed studies and considerations. I think the Eritrean Gov has several places in consideration. Sites of National Heritages that emphasize the following aspects would be great.

            – Archeology (Early settlement and early civilization)
            – Liberation Struggle
            – Paleo-anthropology (human evolution)
            – Wildlife
            – Botany
            – Geology

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Hashela. The homework was a joke, but i thought you would love homework being a teacher.

            You gave a lot and I don’t know much of Eritrea except Asmara. And I hope one those days…

            But your list is great and I hope others can add to it.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Folks
            I can’t believe it is taking you so long to come up with something.
            Hurry before Haile and I fill the list!

            Berhe, your excuse is not accepted!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            ካብቶም ኣለዉ ዝበሃሉ ታሪኻውያን ቦታታት ኤረትራ ክትድህስስ: ኣብ ከባቢ ሰንዓፈን ዓዲቐይሕን ዘወር በል።
            እምባ ሶይራ: እምባ መጠራ: በለው-ከለው: ቆሓይቶ: ወዘተረፈ…
            https://twitter.com/ghideonmusa/status/1105839306973855744
            Town of Senafe is on the left side of the mountain [not seen here]. It is mixed of Saho & Tigrigna people.

            ኣብ ቀጻሊ: ከባቢ ሃዘሞ: ዓዲ ዃላን: ካል’ኦትን ከላልየካ ክፍትን የ።
            ዓርበ-ረቡዕ ካብ በልካ ግን ስለምንታይ ሞንጉዳ ትርስዕ?

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Mehandis,

            My plan is to from visit north to south, east to west and visit every village, every river and every mountain as possible.

            I didn’t forget, it’s lack of knowledge.

            But please keep making the list.

            Hashela,

            I know it’s not an excuse, but what one can do where there is hgdef.

            Berhe

          • Selam Abi,
            In his “The red sea is slipping into total Arab control”, H. Cohen had said;
            “Hey, all you Abyssinians out there. While you are wasting time squabbling with each other and not talking to each other, the governments of the Arabian Peninsula are eating your lunch…..
            I think it is time for Abyssinians to take back control of the west bank of the Red Sea before it is too late……”
            Today there are some eritreans who would rather like to see the waterway in the hands of regional Arab powers rather than giving right of access to ethiopians.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I disagree with you when you said “ today some Eritreans…”
            First , It is not only today that Eritreans didn’t want Ethiopia to use the ports. It started in 1960.
            Second, it is the majority of Eritreans that don’t want to see Ethiopia use the ports.
            They consider the ports as trophies to be kept in a glass cabinet.

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi,
            Why the king and the derg failed to keep your port? They did not say Akaki Zeraf like you. Akaki Zeraf only works when you watch soccer via t.v. from your sweet home in the west.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Liverpool just crowned champions after 30 years of trophy drought in the EPL.
            Ethiopians will get their ports very soon. 30 years is a little bit too long to wait.
            What are you going to do? Sit and cry! That is your expertise as evidenced by your cowardice and inabilities to achieve anything including removing the Gondere at the helm.
            Now, keep quiet and run.

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            Lencho Leta said no Oromo wil lost his life in Eritrea. I strongly belive also the Somali , the Wolayta, Sidama, Afar, Beni Shangul , the Gurage share his stand. He also said who thinks the opposite is an insane person. So which one do you choose?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            You are overthinking unnecessarily. Let me help you here.
            No Ethiopian will die in Eritrea looking for a port.
            We have got Eritreans working on our behalf. They will deliver the product along with the service.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Djibouti and Somalia, Somali Land are delivering product along with the service. I hope you have by now a new GPS ( if not run to buy it from Best Buy)

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Amazon just delivered my new GPS loaded with every port closest to Ethiopia.
            When I requested “free ports near me “, it shows Assab port. It also confirmed that the road is clear except a one hour construction delay.
            On my way…

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Ethiopia has moral rights to have an access to the sea on account that for centuries Ethiopians had died and spilled their blood protecting the sea from foreign invaders. Here, I have to be clear that, the one thousand kilometers coastal line is solely Eritrean sovereign but again, Eritrea and Ethiopia have to find a way on how to sort out the historical, political, legal and economic aspect of the impasse if one can state it as such. It is possible.

          • Brhan

            Hi Horizon,
            If MZ was an odd man , what about Lencho Lata who said no Oromo will lose his life in Eritrea.

          • Selam Brhan,
            Forget about lencho, who said what he said to gain some support from the eritrean regime so that he would one day rule independent oromia. In the future no Ethiopian should die in Eritrea or Tigray. The strength of Ethiopia should be through creating a strong economy by avoiding war, unless war comes upon it.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said — “In the future no Ethiopian should die in Eritrea or Tigray.
            Let’s aside Eritreans because they are a sovereign country now. Who are Ethiopians in your mind? You seem to confirm what has been known to everyone what it means “Ethiopianism/ኢትዮጵያውነት” narrative. Ethiopia = Shoa or Amhara? Interesting.

            When was “Ethiopians (your Ethiopia)” died for Eritrea and Tigray? The truth is, your “Ethiopians” were busy writing fake history to claim Eritrea and Tigray history as their own.

            May I ask you this:
            When was “Ethiopia (your Ethiopia)” has ever won a single war against outsiders (foreign forces) without Tigray and Eritrea? Can you please explain me a single one event? Please don’t tell me about Adal war because the Somalis were trying to expand their territory and “Ethiopia” was trying to expand their territory too, thus I don’t consider Adal related wars as outsiders war.

            In reality, there was no a single historical event that “your Ethiopians” has ever won a war against outsiders (foreign forces) without Tigray and Eritrea. Literally None, zero, 0.

            • All wars against Egypt was defended because of Eritrea and Tigray. There could be less than 5% contribution from here and there, but nothing significant.
            • All wars against Italy was defended because of Eritrea and Tigray. There could be 5% to 10% contribution from here and there, but nothing significant.
            • All wars against Ottoman empire expansion was defended because of Eritrea and Tigray.

            By the way I hear too much noises about Adwa war, to tell you frankly the Adwa war has nothing to do with Menelik and his camp. Yes he was the King of Ethiopia at that time and yes he was in Adwa at that time, but he wasn’t part of the war. He was hid at Saint George church for six hours “ሚኒሊክ ለ 6 ሰዓት ያክል በጊዮርጊስ ቤተክርስትያን ተደብቆ ነበር እንጂ በኣድዋ ጦርነት ኣልተዋጋም”::

            Do you know why? Because he knew what he did to Yohannes IV, thus he was afraid Yohannes’s army could revenge against him, thus he was hid at the St. George church until the war ends.

            FYI, The Adwa war was six hours war, thus it was easier for Menelik to hide for six hours and write history as if he was the architect. The real heroes were Alula Aba Nega and Bashay AwAlom. Of course I am not discounting Empress Taytu contribution.
            There is no question that the Oromos, Wolayta were there, they paid a great price, but where were the “Ethiopians”? please don’t tell me the fake history.

            My point is based on “your Ethiopians”.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            In other words u saying tigrai is the winner of all wars but they were under other ethiopians occupation and rule? that is what u saying, no other people of the world would say idoit things like this other than u morons.
            the derg/hs war with eritrea and tigrai was to prevent eritrea from separation, nothing to do with tigrai, tplf was considered eplf sidekick , no ethiopians(the rest of ethiopia) never die for tigrai then and will never die for tigrai, why would ethiopians die for tigrai?

          • Samuel

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            After Adwa war Menelik and his Camp played a big role to undermine the role of Tigray and Tegaru, since then Tigray was under “Menelik, HS and Derg camp” occupation and rule.
            The struggle of Tigray has nothing to do with Ethiopia (home of nation and nationalities), rather it was with “Menelik, HS and Derg camp”.

            Why wasn’t HS able to fight or resist Italy in 1935/6? Why HS escaped into exile leaving his country and people behind? What happened to the “Ethiopians” heroism then?

            The simple fact is, Eritrea was under Italy, Tigray was nonresistant to Italy because of Menelik and HS action to Tigray, thus “your Ethiopians” were left to defend the country but they couldn’t. Why do you think “your Ethiopia” lost in the second Ethio-Italy war? The simple reason is the primary defendants of the region (Tigray and Eritrea) were nonresistant to Italy.

            Th irony is you didn’t answer my core question:-
            When was “Ethiopia (your Ethiopia)” has ever won a single war against outsiders (foreign forces) without Tigray and Eritrea?

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            u think hs or menelik or the rest of ethiopia former leaders came to power by election? i don’t care if u people boast as much as u want but u people become a total idoit nonsense to say the least.
            throughout history tigrai was and still is a back stabber and a “banda”, that is the history of tigrai!
            Plus, don’t compare eritrea with tigrai, u fought to be a sidekick of eritrea and u fought because of starvation.
            eritrea case was different things.

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            If you can and when you have the time, check out the works of a British guy named Stephen Longrigg. He was the Military Governor of Eritrea from 41-43/44 during the British Military Administration in Eritrea. He was Oxford trained Historian and he had extensive knowledge not only of East Africa but the entire Middle East as well. He was fluent in Arabic when he was the main architect of the oil exploration in Iraq and later on Saudi Arabia–Aramco.

            He wrote a book titled “A Short History of Eritrea” where the book became the intellectual foundation which was later to become “Liberal Progressive Party” where it was presided by WeldeAb Weldemarian among others. The crux of the book including the said Party was the unique historical position of Eritrea and Tigrai where the two carried the burnt of any foreign aggression and yet Ethiopia-Proper including the rulers reaped the benefit instead.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            Sure, I will try to get the book and read, Tnx.
            I completely agree with the statement “Eritrea and Tigrai where the two carried the burnt of any foreign aggression and yet Ethiopia-Proper including the rulers reaped the benefit instead.”
            What is interesting is they don’t have any shame to claim every good thing was because of them “Ethiopians**”, however when there was/is wrongdoings they try to associate with other ethnicity.

            Look the GERD project, they were opposing the project since its inception, they have done everything to stop the project, they hated MZ for starting the project. After 9 years of opposing the project today they are trying to claim it as “Ethiopians** dam”, they are narrating it as if they have done everything to complete the project, they have a campaign slogan “ግድቡ የኔ ነው”. Their hypocrisy is limitless.

            ወልደኣብ ወልደማርያም ኣብ ሓደ እዋን ከምዙይ ኢሎም ነይሮም ይባሃል።
            ኢዚኦም ይትረፍ ዶ ክገዙኡካ ፥ክትገዞኦም’ ውን መከራ።

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,

            Ethiopians are those who believe in the entity called ethiopia, those who unlike those who do not believe in her existence never hated her, conspired against her, or would never stand on the side of her enemies.
            In the bizarre tplf world ethiopia and ethiopians never existed or exist even today. What exists is scattered and weak ethnic groups where tplf, the golden people, will lord over them forever. A collective identity like that of an ethiopian identity and ethiopianism should not exist, because it is a stumbling block on the way to tplf domination and exploitation. The reality is that as tplf is fighting to remain relevant, on the contrary, ethiopia and the ethiopian identity are reviving after the tplf onslaught.
            Tplf and digital woyane are trying to rewrite history. It will be read only in mekelle and tigray which are under tplf control. All the rest will read ethiopian history that is not controlled or narrated by tplf, but based on research.
            You people have always been uncertain about your allegiance or you were on the side of the enemy, and yet you are telling us that you were the defenders of ethiopia, which at the same time you say never existed. Do you remember the 1998-2000 war when you couldn’t even defend yourself and you had to beg the ones you insulted and despised calling them the derg army to save you from shabia. Yet, you were defenders of ethiopia.
            I doubt if tplf will ever create an independent tigray or if it will continue to exist for long. On the contrary, ethiopia with all those who believe in sovereign ethiopia, will truly continue to exist. Even the so-called federalists do not trust you anymore. That is why they kicked out tplf, as we heard.

          • Aligaz G

            Sami,

            There were numerous invasions that did not pass through Tigray. A very interesting example for you would be a major invasion during the reign of Yohannes IV that was fought and stopped at Gute Dilli without any Tigrean involvement at all.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            The misleading part of your message is “numerous invasions”, can you list those invasions instead of just using the word “numerous”? If your goal is others will assume there were many imaginary invasions that the so called “Ethiopians” able to defend then that’s good try.

            If you consider Wollega Oromos as real “Ethiopians”, then yes. However, the Gute Dili battle was with help of Wollega Oromos. By the so called “Ethiopians” formula Wollega Oromos aren’t real “Ethiopians”. I hope you understood what “Ethiopians” mean in our discussion.

            The so called “Ethiopians” have been singing about “Abay river” for hundreds of years (that is what they do best), however who laid the cornerstone to build the historical Dam? Meles Zenawi. You know that considering the so called “Ethiopians” formula MZ isn’t real “Ethiopian”.

            Considering the so called “Ethiopians” formula, do you think Jawar Mohammed is an “Ethiopian”?
            Considering the so called “Ethiopians” formula, do you think OLF leaders are real “Ethiopians”?
            Considering the so called “Ethiopians” formula, do you think ethnic federalists are real “Ethiopians”?

            Who is an Ethiopian? Who is left? ባዶ ትምክህት ጥሩ ኣይደለም።

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Sami,

            You sound bitter.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            Don’t worry about “bitterness”, focus on the facts. By the way that is the usual defensive mechanism to escape from factual based arguments.

            As I have said last time “If you have facts to discuss bring it otherwise don’t pretend as if you have one”. ኣይዞህ ሃቅ ኣትፍራ።

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Sami,

            You are right

          • Selam Samuel,

            As much as tplf and digital weyane are concerned, there is no country called ethiopia and there are no people called ethiopians. By extension, americans should be crazy to call themselves americans, etc. This must be from a delusional world, and not from the real world.
            Tplf and digital woyane have always been denying everything ethiopian, that there is no country called Ethiopia and no people called Ethiopians. What does that mean? It means that tplf was not killing, torturing and looting ethiopians, but oromos, amharas, somalis, and others. This doesn’t minimize in the least tplf’s crimes against the people, simply because tplf and its supporters do not want to call them ethiopians and their country ethiopia. Now that tplf is far from power and has lost all the illegal benefits that come with it, it has become worse anti-Ethiopians.
            Tplf is ignorant, arrogant and deceitful at the same time, a dangerous mix indeed. It is insulting the intelligence of Ethiopians when it says that tigray will be independent, but the Ethiopian taxpayer should pay for its independence and survival by continuing to pay the budget. It will carry out illegal elections, but Ethiopians should again be burdened with the expenses.
            There are no Ethiopians, there are no real Ethiopians, there are only so-called Ethiopians. These are the new tplf and digital woyane anti-Ethiopian rhetoric.
            Who is an Ethiopian? Where is an Ethiopian? There are only Tigrayans, oromos, federalists, etc, but no Ethiopians. Therefore, there is no country called Ethiopia per tplf and its stooges. This is the sign of frustration, hopelessness, bitterness and defeat. What a pity! On the contrary, ethiopia and ethiopians are real. What is not real is tplf that is being thrown into the dustbin of history, but doesn’t seem to understand its pitiful situation.

          • Aligaz G

            H

            The guy is just another wind up merchant. Dont waste your breath

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said — “As much as tplf and digital weyane are concerned, there is no country called Ethiopia”.
            I have never said there is no country called Ethiopia, never did.

            Here is what I have said on my previous comments, Ethiopia is a country not a Nation State, in other words Ethiopia is a Multinational State. There is no national identity called “Ethiopian”, however there is Ethiopian citizenship. In Ethiopia there are multiple identities, those identities reflect the different Nation Nationalities that live in the country. It seems to me that you have a hard time understanding Citizenship vs Nationality.

            There are Tegaru (Tigraway singular), the Oromos, Amhara, Wolayta, Afar, Somalis, Sidamas, Gurage, etc identities inside Ethiopia, however there are no “Ethiopian” Nationality/identity.

            If there is “Ethiopian” identity I would like to know their culture and language.

            Regarding the budget, please check with “Ethiopian Revenues and Customs Authority” how much money is collected from each Region State. Let me know your finding.
            You are still stuck with “ከትግራይ የሚሰበሰብ ግብር የአንድ ት/ቤት ጠመኔ እንኳ አይሸፍንም” መንግስቱ ኃ/ማርያም, those were the so called “Ethiopian” leaders we had pre-1991, they are gone for ever. Ethiopia is the home of Nation and Nationalities.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            u r pathetic, what is identity means for u? What is tograi identity? first u need to know where most of ur pathetic identity came from , like the one u people wear 24/7 ? what identity r u gonna call the millions people mixed with different tribes? what r u going to call the mixed cultures from all over ethiopia?
            man just because u people r in tribal stage, don’t mean all of ethiopia in ur tribal stage.
            learn what tribal stage means.
            In ur moron pathetic logic the whole country of the world is wrong,
            before u open ur mouth, first learn what identity means .

          • A.Osman

            Selam Horizon,

            You are trying to convince the convinced. The Nile issue if it was left to the technical engineers to resolve, it would not have been a major issue. I remember Meles in his interview explaining that most of the water evaporates in the swaps in Sudan and on track and the retention by the dam at high altitude would preserve more, in addition to regulating the flow. But such benefits can only be looked at when the issue is not made political and looked from common benefit.

            I raised the parallel for you to appreciate the Eritrean perspective when we deal with port access and I thought you would be fair minded. Eritreans have no interest in depriving Ethiopia, but when their ownership to their land and sea is questioned, it becomes difficult to reach a negotiated settlement. Insisting on a right and trying to bulldoze your way through will deprive both nations from making the most out of it.

            To prove the situation as unsustainable, you raised the economical disadvantage Ethiopia faces paying for access, but you found it rational to expect Egypt to desalinate from the Sahara to provide a life necessity. Which one is worse?

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Aligaz G

            AOsman,

            The swamps you are referring to are the Sudd on the White Nile which have nothing to do with the Blue Nile where the dam is being built. Btw a serious project would be draining the Sudd which would hugely increase flow on the Nile however the environmental effect may be significant. Finally, regardless of “technical issues” Egypt finds it very difficult to accept Ethiopian control of the Blue Nile solely because of political reasons.

          • Selam Aligaz G.,
            I remember our geography teacher in high school a long time ago who told us that draining the swamp along the white nile in SS, will be devastating to the regional rainfall. A large portion of the rainfall to ethiopian and sudanese highlands come from the evaporation that takes place in the swamp. If this is erased then the flow of the blue nile will decrease due to less rainfall, and the net amount of water that reaches egypt will also decrease. I see that there is truth in that.

          • Aligaz G

            H

            Most of the rainfall in the Horn is of the seasonal monsoon type disproving your teacher’s theory. And most current theories factoring in global warming etc point to an increased rain forecast for the region as a whole. Draining the Sudd would mainly devastate the unique ecology of the region not alter the rainfall patterns. However vast croplands would be opened up and huge lakes created downstream would mitigate some of the negative effects.

          • A.Osman

            Thank you Aligaz, quite interesting to know about Sudd swamp as I have wondered why the Blue Nile contributes a bigger share considering the relative size between lake Tana and lake Victoria. There is so much to learn about the Rift Valley and what it gives due to its feature, you triggered my interest….

          • Aligaz G

            A Osman,

            In that case, here is another factoid that you might enjoy – the Baro is one of the biggest tributaries of the White Nile.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Aligaz G,

            Ad-Damazin a nearby Sudanese town after the Renaissance Dam has its own dam, has there been any issue with its construction. Or is the reservoir much smaller to what the renaissance is expected to retain?

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Aligaz G

            A Osman,

            I haven’t looked much into the Sudanese dams but the structural failure of dams in general is not a trivial event. Lake Nasser is more or less comparable to the Renaissance reservoir depending on irrigation schemes of course.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon,

          Thank you for your elaborated reply with regards to Ethiopia/ Egypt and the Arab world. If you didn’t get ask to Kim was, why do Ethiopians and Eritreans (associated with Ethiopia) seem to have objection in how (Eritreans) should mind their own affairs, including having Arabic as a second language.

          1) I was not suggesting Ethiopians learn Arabic or make Arabic their official language.
          2) I was not looking the relationship Ethiopia has with Egypt and the “tension” it always had related to the Abay/water.

          I can understand Ethiopia / Egypt historical contentions are concerned but what about Sudan (another Arab speaking / Muslim ) country of Ethiopia. Does Ethiopia have any issue with Sudan having Arabic as a national language and having a Muslim population. May be, but I don’t think it’s that significant that warrants Ethiopia to be on the edge.

          If Eritrea adapts Arabic as a second language, why do Ethiopians feel threatened or why do the Tigray, Tigrigna people feel threatened?

          On the support of Egypt of Eritrean and the Arab world, any way there is no point in beating this issue. But I think Ethiopians need to look at the actions of the King and Derg took to drive Eritreans out of their homelands which was the reason for the liberation movement.

          And let’s look at this way. Some Ethiopian leaders like Abi were obsessed of some dabo or cake bet or garage owners in Ethiopia, but they forget to see the 1000 kms access to the sea and the land and the people Ethiopia got for free in return.

          Eritreans didn’t even asked anything back in return. All they wanted is to live in their own homes for free and do and lead their lives the way they wanted to live.

          Now look at the irony of Ethiopians against Eritrean using Arabic language in their own country and in their own homes. Did it occur to you what HS and Derg were doing to us Eritreans. They were forced us to speak and learn Amharic in our own country and homes. My grand mother who was illiterate were forced to submit an application paper (Yilef) to go and visit her own village.

          As far as the Nile and Gerd, I think any sensible Eritrea is on Ethiopia and the right it has to use it and develop it without harming Egypt for long term peace and stability of the region.

          Berhe

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Berhe Y.,

        I have no objection at all if a student has the option to learn any language including Arabic.
        We learn English/French as a required foreign language for the purposes of acquiring advanced materials and knowledge. (Doctors/ Engineers)

        My objection is really the deceptive ways politicians and specially activists present their arguments and themselves to their targets.
        The straight forward advocates of Arabic language in our area admit, up front, that it is a political tool, period. That can mean a lot of things, I don’t want to get in to that.

        It is possible history and rhetoric of “Christian island” have created the mindset of paranoia. I don’t know, but in my own life time I have seen that it was not all rhetoric. Paranoia can be a justifiable survival mechanism too.

        Mr. K.H

  • Brhan

    Dear Yassin, thank you for your article. And I would like to share this info to shed a light from another angle: Arabic literature of Eritrea is booming and has become global. Here are some example and If I forgot others can add.

    1. تيتانيكيات افريقية by Abu Bakr Kahal is now in English transaltion “African Titanics.
    A long-time member of the Eritrean Liberation Front, Kahal fought in many battles against the Ethiopian occupation. African Titanics his first novel to be published in English translation.

    2. Haji Jaber. Jaber’s first novel Samrawit (2012) won the Sharjah Award for creativity; his Mersa Fatima (Fatima’s Port, 2013) was recently translated to Italian by Iraqi translator Gassid Mohammed and published by L’arcolio, and Lu’bat almaghzal (The Spinning Wheel, 2015) made it to that year’s Sheikh Zayed’s longlist.
    Black Foam (2018), which won the Katar Novel Prize in 2019 ($100,000 US) longlisted for the Arabic Booker Prize.

    3. In Oxford University’s Handbook of Arab Novelistic Traditions Oxford, a part is dedicated to Arabic literature in Eritrea.

    4. Sounds’ Mirror is an anthology of Eritrean Arabic literature published in Algeria by the Eritrean journalist Mohamed Abu Baker

    The anthology includes the following:

    Poem

    • Mohamed Mahmud Elsheikh

    • Mohamed Osman Kejary

    • Ahmed Omer Shiekh

    • Abdulhakin Mahmud Alsheikh

    • Ahmed Mohamed Saad

    Short story:

    • Abdulkadir Hakim

    • Abduljalil Suleyman Abe

    • Alghali Saleh

    • Abdulrahim Shangab

    • Khalid Mohamed Taha

    Novel
    • Jamal Osman Hmed

    • Ahmed Omar Sheikh

    • Abu Baker Kamal

    • Abdulwahab Hmed

    5. Under the title of “L’émergence d’une littérature arabe en Érythrée, the University of Lauren in France dedicated part of its African literature studies to the Eritrean Arabic Literature.

    Just to finish this comment let me also share two lines of two Eritrean poets:

    مقطع من قصيدة عبد الحكيم محمود الشيخ التي تحمل عنوان
    “البحر” التي جاء فيها:
    “في البدء كان الشعر / أيها الساكن فينا/ سمَيتك الوطن/ صوت أم الشهيد يقاسمني العوز والأرصفة”،

    ገለ ካብ “ባሕሪ” ብዓብደልሓኪም ማሕሙድ ኣልሼኽ

    ፈለማ ግጥሚ ነበረ
    ኣንታ ኣብ ውሽጥና እትነብር
    ሽምካ ሃገር
    ድምጺ ኣደ ስውእ
    ባህጊን መንገዲ ኣጋርኒ
    ይማቐለኒ

    ومقطع من قصيدة “مرسى” لأحمد عمر شيخ: “تصحو.. تفتش ظلها / يبدو المدى نقشا محاه الغيب والتذكار
    ገለ ካብ “መርሳ” ብዑርመ ሼኽ

    ትባራበር ‘ሞ … ጽላለታት ትደሊ
    ቲ ውዕል ዘይርኡይ ነገር
    ከምእውን ተዘክሮ
    ዝሓኽኽዎ ቃል መሲሉኒ ኣብ ኣእምሮ

    Thanks again Yassin for brining a civilized discussion on language.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam Yassin,

    Nice try, but not good enough.

    Tigrinya is not a religious Christian language.

    Neither the Holy Torah nor the New Testament were originally written in Tigrinya.

    On the other hand, Arabic is the language of Islam.

    The Qur’an, in Surah Fussilat, verse 44 says:

    “And if We had sent this as a Qur’an in a foreign language other than Arabic, they would have said: “Why are not its Verses explained in detail (in our language)? What! (A Book) not in Arabic and (the Messenger) an Arab?” Say: “It is for those who believe, a guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness (deafness) in their ears, and it (the Qur’an) is blindness for them. They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand).”

    Furthermore, Arabic is not the language of modern Science, Technology, and international Business. There are very few modern Scientific books being translated into Arabic from other languages, and there are close to nil ground breaking, original Scientific papers being published in Arabic.

    The current narrative of the Muslim elites [not the cannon fodder] of Eritrea claims that the present government is a Christian government. Arabic is their favoured rallying slogan to be used in an attempt to unite the Muslim ethnic groups vis-a-vis the Tigrinya speaking majority.

    • Brhan

      Hello Simon,

      The status of Arabic in Eritrea is alive both inside and outside. It is alive inside Eritrea: in media, gov’t correspondences and Education sectors. There are many Tigrinya speakers who are working in the previous sectors providing various assitances to media programs to be dessiminated in Arabic as well as, correspondences to be circulated and education subjects to be taught, like wise.

      While we are speaking from inside Eritrea , it is good to indicate PIA is fluent in Arabic.These alls prove , Arabic has nothing to do religion.
      Out side of Eritrea, it is means of communication among Eritreans justice seekers when they facilitate their events, rallies, meetings, including vertual mettins. Again here it has nothing to do with religion.

      Last but not least Eritrean literature , both Arabi and Tigrinya has reached it global platforms.

      Thanks

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Brhan,

        Wherever Islam goes, Arabic follows. Why doesn’t Norway or Poland or Japan, for example, speak Arabic? The pattern is clear.

        Arabic poetry here and there, but Arabic is not the language of science, technology and international business anymore. Too late by 1000 years.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Simon,
          Very true. Why no Arabic in Norway? And why no Tigrinya in Denmark? Until you explained it above I though that has to do with geographic location!

          Someone said, as long as there is someone who hates a language, there will be another defending it with equal tenacity. For example, if the rejection is due to sectarian prejudice, though not openly declared, the defense will reciprocate with equal sectarian motive. At the end, there is a bgger tsk as you alluded to.

          • Brhan

            Hi Saleh,
            That was lesson for those who want to learn.
            Thanks,

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            Britain, an island in a far corner of Europe, with a relatively small population, built the largest empire in history, controlling almost 25% of the landmass of the Earth.

            Wherever Britain went, the English language followed, but Christianity was never imposed, it was optional.

            Norway, Poland, … , Europe escaped being Islamized and Arabized twice:

            1) Charles Martel [the hammer] defeated the Umayyad Caliphate at the battle of Tours [732 C.E.]

            2) The Polish army led by King Jan Sobieski [John the 3rd] defeated the Ottoman Caliphate at the gates of Vienna [1683 C.E.].

        • Brhan

          You are right Simon,

          Meetings and events conducted by the opposition groups , including Yiakel, where their facilitators communicate in Arabic and Tigrinya are about religion because of a language they use.

          For the past 30 years Eri Tv (Arabic) Voices of the Masses ( Arabic) Eritrea Al Haditha ( Arabic newspaper) have produced programs are about religion because of a language.

          Keep going on, enlighten us about your knowledge on language. Are you living in a city with no acces to source of knowledge: library, college or university?

  • Syed

    It’s obvious dislike of Arabic and less promotion of regional languages. Well know agenda.

  • Nitricc

    As Arabic is a language of one of the Eritrean ethnic groups (Rashaida), similar to Tigrinya; what prevents the other ethnic groups from choosing Arabic?! On the other hand, what is tempting them to choose Tigrinya instead of Arabic?

    Hi All; the above argument is the weakest argument i have ever heard. First of all, this issue was settled on this web-site years ago and we agreed that as long as the Arabic language won’t be used to lead in to Sharia and other extremism, then we all said, okay. So, why now the issue is surfacing again? Because the Tigryans with their stupid Agazians run out of topics to distract Eritrea and Eritreans. They started their BS game by ” we are brothers and sisters” when that didn’t work; They tried to create discourse between different Eritrean ethics, to no avail. They tried with the stupid Ya-Akil BS; nothing happen. They tried to wadge conflict between highlanders and lowlanders, still nothing and know this Arabic topic is noon but the works of the Tigryans and Agazians.
    Eritreans understand the benefit of Arabic in Eritrean society. I have no personal knowledge on this but i know large amount Eritreans bordered Sudan and Sudan’s language is Arabic i.e. for Eritreans to conduct business and to prosper they need to know the Language. Not only Sudan but Eritrean will have the opportunity to beyond Sudan to the entire Arabic nations. Besides the Arabic holy book is written in Arabic and the Eritrean Muslims might use that and may want to teach their offspring’s. In addition, it can be the language that helps all Eritrean Muslims to communicate. For instance, for state TV and radios stations, instead of broadcasting in every Eritrean’s ethnic language, just broadcast one and in Arabic and done. So, an Eritrean on the right mind will not, could not and will not oppose Arabic language in Eritrea and we understand. The End! However; what i reject and dis agree with author is that we need Arabic because there Arabic EThnic gruop called Rashida! No, If you ask me for my personal opinion, i don’t even consider Rashaidas to be an Eritreans let alone to revive Arabic because of them. Why wouldn’t i consider Rashaidas as Eritreans? well, i have not seen a single Rashaida freedom fighter or warsay. Second, the harm they inflicted upon unsuspecting Eritrean youth who were escaping their country. The moral; If people want something, you give it to them because it is their invaluably right.

  • Aron

    Selam Aman,
    My condolences to you and your family. May the lord give you the strength to overcome. Aron

  • Haile S.

    Selam Yassin Hamid,

    The beating on Arabic as a national language in Eritrea by the detractors is to make it disappear in this function. These days it is getting beaten by the Agazians and those sympathetic to them with the objective not only in diluting and eliminating it from the Eritrean official usage, but also to dilute and eliminate Eritrea itself by giving ‘precedence’ to their tigray-tigrigni dream. But instead of their wishes, the result that we see is more and more understanding as to why it became so, as you explained. It is like tanning (ምልፋዕ), the more you beat, the better it becomes.

    The coastal areas of Eritrea especially Dahlak island its environs are replete with calligraphed curved stones. These stones did not float and cross the red sea from the other side, but curved there and are witness to the usage of Arabic language in the area. Some images of these stones, I think, can be seen in one of Saleh Sabbe’s book and in Nafi Kurdi’s book, L’Érythrée, une identité retrouvée (French, 1994 ; Eritrea: rediscovered identity).

    Arabic was the language of external communication and diplomacy, not only for the coastal and easter large chunks of Eritrea, but also deep for Abyssinia including for the Orthodox church. One of the lucrative jobs of the Tigre people of the eastern escarpments is to act as arabic translators to visitors and foreigners who come from the sea and cross to Abyssinian kings and lords. And as mentioned above, in the orthodox church, obtaining an Abuna from Egypt, the head of the church without whom there is no consecrating bishops, priests and deacons in the church was impossible or NIL without having people who speak Arabic (Jebertis, here you go) to travel translate convince the Egyptian authorities and bring him from Egypt regularly. Knowledge of Arabic was necessary not only to translate everything the Abunas say, but also to translate the books they use to bring especially in the early days of the land’s christianity.

    The attempt to eliminate Arabic as official language in Eritrea will to the contrary solidify its foundation as it is part of the foundation of Eritrea as a nation itself. This attempt is not also part of the attempts on the life of the nation. Those who want to maintain Eritrea as a free nation need to fight for its foundation, including Arabic as a national language.

    • Selam Haile S,
      What you said about the Ethiopian church and its Abuna may have been true after the 7th century when Egypt fell under Arab occupation. Before that, between the 4th century, when Christianity came to Ethiopia, and the 7th century, i think that Arabic shouldn’t have played a role. Maybe some other language, for example, Greek. King Ezana’s golden coin had Greek inscription on it. Therefore, the Ethiopian church must have communicated with Alexandria and the coptic church using a different language before the Arabs occupied Egypt.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Horizon,

        Yes, but the number of centuries where Arabic was and is dominant in the region compared to the little bit more than two centuries in the life of christianity in the region is immense. What I was trying to say is Arabic is not alien to what became Eritrea and to Abyssinia in general.
        The push coming from various corners to debate use of Arabic in the Eritrean context cannot be seen as separate from the push directly or indirectly instigated by TPLF’s vision to the north.

    • Aligaz G

      Haile,

      You mentioned the importance of Arabic in the early days of Christianity in Ethiopia. The rise of Arabic as a trading or scientific language happened much later perhaps after 10th Century once the language was sufficiently “enriched”. Furthermore the Egyptian Church uses Coptic not Arabic and as you know the Ethiopian Church uses Geez. However there have been cases where letters mostly and a few works were written in Arabic but this was much later in the 13th Century if I am not mistaken. Now there is a theory that the Kibre Negast may have been originally been written in Arabic but this cannot be proven. In short the role of Arabic in Church History is much less than you portray especially compared to Geez, Coptic and Greek. And the role of Tigrayit Arabic translators may not have been necessary once Arabic became lingua franca in the Red Sea region. But regardless if people choose Arabic in Eritrea there is no need to reach for tenuous historical support as justification – it should be sufficient that they have chosen Arabic.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Aligaz,

        Faire enough. But I don’t think I stretched the thread too much to try to tie the knot. Historical events are debatable and also verifiable if a deeper research is done. Going to there becomes necessary when people ignore them or brush them off.

        • Aligaz G

          Haile,

          I admire your historical knowledge of our region that is not the issue. But the decision to use Arabic as an official language should be a negotiated political outcome. This issue will continue to be one of the real testing moments in creating democracy so it should be handled carefully – assuming the intention is a democratic state.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Prof Hailat:
      As you know those of us in the Medical Field( apparently you too),believe in Evidence-based Medicine!
      You just proved me right as a Scientist and Scholar by providing us such historical factual narrations!
      His Excellency, Ustaz SGJ wrote a giant Article on what you just eloquently described in a mere statement or two!
      Granted, there is no need to bring up this closed issue every month like Getaw Abi sarcastically nailed it .
      It is just better to seal it and wait until the constitutionally as elected Nationally Assembly unseals it and puts it back where it belongs to!
      The unnecessary and,at times,”unjustifiable justification“ people bring up to make their case is but boring and unjustifiable!
      In an attempt to challenge ( and to refute their narration)those obsessed with Arabic use in Eritrea,here is what the Late (Controversial) Yebio ,RIP,from Winnipeg said:

      “ Contrary to the assertions made by the Arabic Lovers,there is NO single family in Eritrea except the few Rashaida, which uses Arabic Langugae in their homes or daily life”!
      But we don’t need to go that far since the issue was settled 60 yrs ago!

      Am for Arabic as an Official Working Language of Eritrea among with Tigrinya and English for better reasons, beyond political one!

      -To communicate well with the more than 500 million people who can speak it
      -To do better business with such a huge market and consumer group!
      -I love the language
      Here is the fear and dilemma among Non-Muslim Eritreans :

      -That those proArabic Language might have a hidden agenda to “ arabinize and islamize Eritrea( legit fear with facts)!
      -Fear of making Eritrea another Egypt or Lebanon
      Hint:
      -The ELF Fanatic Leaders and their followers with their EXTREMIST AGENDA( confirmed)!
      -The agenda of the currently active Eritreans with same agenda

      • Brhan

        Hello Sultan M.G
        Let me provide my input to your comment and it is related to “fear”
        The ones who ‘ fear” are absent from the follwing two realties.
        They are not in pro or against government circles but in their own circles, and when one is in his own circle , well fear will play a negative role on him or her.
        1) As an opposition , they might not not particpating , for example in meetings conducted by the oppositon groups because the facilitators of these meetings usally make Arabic/Tigrinya ( I am putting the languages in alphabetical order) the means of communication in their meetings.
        2) As pro gov’t they are not aware about gov’t media (anti gov’t also can follow) and try to know what kind of messages are delivered ERI TV – Arabic program, Sawt Aljmaheer or Eritrea Al-haditha and Shebab magazine ( not Al Shebab)
        In both cases religion has been the subject.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Hope,

        Right! The evidence approach was for those who start by denying there is basis for Arabic in Eritrea in order to get a crack and attack its legal anchorage. As many who commented earlier including you said, those who want to open the done deal have their own motivations. But they have at least one denominator, as Ismail AA alluded to, and that is the ~60 years gap in the absence of a constitution. The legal done deal we are talking has never seen the day since it was annulled by Haileselassies ~60 years. And this is acting as a sprinkler watering everybody’s pot of flowering or thorny plant.

        To prevent the problems you cited and reduce every suspicion of fellow compatriots, is to have what is called a functioning parliament and find the elusive constitution based on secularism. For a country with strong attachments to religious practices the common ground to avoid territorial and how about me fight is secularism based administration. Being in medical profession like you, I am more into the evidence based investigative reflex. I would like to believe that we have able people who are able to solve and look and devise the legal aspects of the country’s administration. In fact it is the lack of visibility of professional debating or commenting or coming together in a visible way on such subjects that is pushing us the unprofessionals of social science to out from our laboratory door with a test tube on hand and goggles over our glasses to howl and purge out our little knowledge on such serious subjects.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Epic, as expected, Professor Hailat!
          Who could have said it better?

        • Abi

          መምህር
          You are missing a stethoscope to listen to the heartbeat of Eritrea.
          Drop your goggles and test tubes and pick up a stethoscope. Looks like everybody is listening to different rhythms . Me unthinking.

  • Asalam woAleikum

    devoided of reality, the author Yassin fails to accept the choice of Arabic is simply political.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Yosief,
      Is a political choice wrong or right, or neither? Is it legitimate or not? Isn’t the demand for freedom, rights etc not political? I think anything that has to be agreed upon within a nation by equal citizens is a political exercise. Only a colonized citizen has no political rights and to claim that right, people struggle, mostly a political one. Just sharing my take on your comment. Cheers

  • sara

    selamat,
    I don’t know why this was brought to the for at this time,.. Arabic language is a fact in it is done deal .. and now in what ever form exists and is working for Eritrea and Eritreans…
    its simple… it doesn’t say is’t official language… it says its a working language…i am not an Arab … i am Eritrean and i speak Arabic…. /////
    see our daily Eritrean interaction… in business… arts… movies… in the market… in social gathering… Arabic influence is there and will stay .. so friends close this subject and talk about other relevant issues our time.
    those who don’t … let them drink water from the sea..

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Yassin,
    Your first mistake is you trying to explain logic to Eritreans. Let me telly a little secret, we don’t understand logic. Please keep it to your self and don’t even let any human being know about it. Thanks!

    Now, let me be myself, a very rude, normal Eritrean.
    I am Tigrigna speaker, one of the main language is Tigrigna. Who cares about the rest, as long as mine is one of those two. If the rest of the others want to settle on Arabic, why would I care? Let the Saho, Tigre, Kunama, Afar, etc. worry about it. OK?

    Please allow me to be humane and can express it politely.
    A language’s main purpose is to be a medium. Hey, I have no problem English is the main language in the USA. It is my 2nd language but I am doing fine. No complain here.

    One big thing it irritates me though, the hgdef mendef government recognizes Rashaida but refused to declare Jeberti as a Biher. It is not that I am one of them but a lot of my close friends are. It is just not right.

    Oh, for the record, I wish the national language of Eritrea was Arabic. I could have published my books and benefit from that, both in fame and monetary wise. Am I getting greedy?

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ ዓርከይ ናይ ባሓቂ ተጊግኪ’ለኺ ማለት’ዩ!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ዶተረ
        ኣማን ብኣማን!
        ሓደ ጎድንኻ ክህሰ: ብሰላም ደቀስካ ማለት ኣበደን።
        ዝገረመኒ: ‘ቲ ኣብ ወጻኢ: ኣብ ስደት ዝነብር ብናይ ባዕዳውያን ቋንቋታት ዝዛረብ ‘ዩ ሓላኽ ዝፈጥር።
        ቋንቋ: ሰራውር መራኸቢ ህዝብታት ‘ዩ። ካላስ!

        • Paulos

          ኢንጂኔረ,

          I agree. The language issue particularly between Tigrinya and Arabic with in the Eritrean context is pretty complicated but of course I don’t know much about it and hence my reservations to comment on it with authority so to speak. Hope the experts educate us to that effect devoid of partiality.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Paulos,

            This topic has its cyclical rounds here at Awate, the storm of debate rages then it calms down for years. Saleh has a story of a wata singing to the river to stop, narrated in one of his recent videos. It was a story that was told in Negarit when this topic had its come backs. From memory, a translation of an article by Abu Arre written on Hadas Eritrea (Arabic) was the first trigger and one of the compelling argument for Arabic that I read, unfortunately he is a victim of the regime and is in its dungeon if still alive.

            English, Tigre were even proposed as solutions to avoid dealing with Arabic. Time permitting when free later in the day I will try to post old links so relevant awate articles are connected for ease to navigate in this resourceful site. Not sure if moderators have an exception to the rule on links during weekday.

            BaEdawi is a term I often hear used by those who are against Arabic with a negative connotation and native is elevated to special. I have come to understand the meaning to purely mean foreign or colonial in such discussions. Just for linguistic interest, can BaEdawi be used in a positive context?

            Regards
            A.Osman

          • Saleh Johar

            A. Osman,
            A llink to awate’s resources is fine because it is a local link, the problem is with outside links.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Saleh,

            Thank you for the clarification, I thought it was blanket rule. It is good that we connect old articles in forum discussions.

            Regards
            A.Osman

          • A.Osman

            Awate Archives: Why Idris Aba Arre Is Arrested

            http://awate.com/awate-archives-why-idris-aba-arre-is-arrested/

          • Paulos

            Thank you A. Osman.

  • MebrahtuLight

    Hello everyone,

    I think it’s false to say Arabic was a historic medium for lowlanders. Most lowlanders were still Christian two centuries ago. Nara and Kunama were animist, Bilen were Christian, and the majority of Tigre were Christian (Bet Asagade Federation were Christian). So Arabic would not be a medium for them simply because its presence in Eritrea is tied to the spread of Islam.

    Unlike Arabic, Tigrinya is a native language. It was developed in Eritrea by native Eritreans. So to call Tigrinya a Christian language is silly. Jesus did not speak Tigrinya. It has nothing to do with Christendom. If there was a Christian language it would certainly be Aramaic, Hebrew or even Greek, since Jesus would of likely spoken these languages.

    Arabic’s spread is centered around the Islamic faith. To fully grasp Islam, it is recommended one learns Arabic, which again, shows that Islam and Arabic are connected. This is not the case for Christians. No one needs to learn Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek or Tigrinya to grasp the Bible. Your mother tongue is good enough!

    Arabic is more advanced than Tigrinya. This is true. It would give Eritreans more bang for their buck to learn Arabic over Tigrinya. No one is doubting this. However, if we want to go this route, than why stop at a regional language like Arabic? Arabic is very primitive and backward when compared to English. English is the most advanced language on the planet. It is the language of aviation, science, travel, banking, and numerous of other fields.

    So why not promote English as the national language over Arabic? Why insist Arabic, a language that is inferior to English?

    You can not rationally sell Arabic to Tigrinya people because it is an inferior language. Eritreans do not need to adopt an inferior language to appease egos from the 1940’s. You will join us in common sense or you are free to declare independence and speak Arabic as you desire. We do not need forced marriages in a post-Isaias Eritrea.

    • Paulos

      Selam Mebrahtu,

      I am informed ignorant of the issue at hand and would like to learn more. Your argument sounds solid and please stick around till the author presents a rebuttal. This is really great stuff. Thank you!

      • MebrahtuLight

        Hey Paulos,

        Thanks for the kind words.

        The underlying issue behind Arabic as a national language has to do with challenging the Tigrinya people politically. These 8 ethnic groups have little in common aside for Islam (let’s pretend all of them are Muslim majority, which they are not). A few among them think the only way they can compete in the Eritrean political arena is to forfeit their mother tongues in favor of Arabic and commit to sectarian solidarity against the dominant Tigrinya.

        This unnatural position is romanticized with tall tales of Arabic’s importance in Eritrea’s past. The truth is, Islam and by extension, Arabic, had a negligible role in Eritrea until the 19th century, when most of those groups became Muslims. Even then, almost all of them did not speak Arabic, nor do they speak it today.

        In Eritrea, Tigrinya is ubiquitous. It is the undisputed lingua franca of Eritrea. Almost everyone speaks it. To enter the Eritrean ecosystem, one must speak Tigrinya. Tigrinya is the gatekeeper of Eritreanism. Even the authors of this website, they make their videos in Tigrinya because when the political games are not played, Tigrinya is the medium that is used to speak to Eritreans.

        But Tigrinya people understand that it is unfair to have their native language become the language of all Eritreans so they say, ‘let us unite behind the English language”, since this is the global language. Yet this VERY FAIR and RATIONAL position is rejected by these Muslim elites. So not only is there a political dynamic behind it, but there is also a religious one too. They seek to Arabize Eritreans.They always say, “look at the Orthodox Christians in Egypt, they speak Arabic.” And we say, “look at the Muslims in Israel, they speak Jewish, what is your point?” The Copts were conquered in their own land by Arabic-speaking foreigners like the Muslims were in Israel/Palestine. Tigrinya people are being nagged to pretend to be conquered to satisfy the egos of extremists stuck in the 1940s politics. The question is, for how long will Tigrinya continue to play nice? When will they adopt an extreme position to shift the negotiation tables back to the center. Maybe Tigrinya should demand Tigrinya as the only national language and with Hebrew as the working language. Perhaps then English won’t sound so bad.

        The truth is, Tigrinya people will not surrender their language for Arabic. After land, language is the most important thing for Tigrinya people. These are red lines that even the million man army of the Derg came to realize was a mistake.

        Truthfully speaking, I think Isaias did more for Arabic than any rational person in his position should. Arabic is a dead end language with severe baggage. If all Eritreans spoke Arabic, we’d be another Sudan — forever trapped in a racist Arab ecosystem. Look at Sudan today, did Arabic solve their ethnic issues? No. It probably exasperated it even more.

        Look at the Arab world today. All of them are racing to teach their children English — the language of the world. Meanwhile, we have people stuck in Federation era politics. If they like Federation era laws so much, then they should also federate back with Ethiopia. But of course they wont. They want to pick and chose what is the “covenant” and what isn’t.

        It’s time these Federation era lovers humble themselves and pick English, the language that will provide Eritreans the most bang for their buck. Until they come to their senses, all Eritreans will continue to speak Tigrinya uninterrupted.

        • Aron

          Hi Mebrahtu,
          God bless, agree 100 percent. I see all this campaign against Tigrinya / Tigrigna people and language to dilute it at minimum to obscurity or eliminate if possible from many sides. Aron

        • Paulos

          Selam Mebrahtu,

          George Clooney in “Oh Brother Where Art Thou” says, “Damn’t we are in a tight spot.” Hope you have all your shields up for the Nukes might as well be on a stand by. I certainly admire your courage though.

          How do you say, “Prester John” in Tigrinya? His legend smacks right at the center of Christian faith not so much on his wisdom or wealth al’a King Solomon and as such that early perception of the “Habesha” land delimited the sharp and often times hostile divide between the Arab world and itself. That kind of divide might have lingered to the formation of the Front in 58 and later on in 61 as well. Isaias of course pushed back with his ንሕናን ዕላማናን but he realized early on that that won’t cut the road to his ultimate reign and coalesced the two including those who had been under “Sudanese cultural and lingual sphere” and it became his legacy when in fact it is tied in a lighter and thin rope where it can snap with a violent trajectory. But it shouldn’t for we lose more than we gain including those of us who resign with,—“We have been too patient and giving for far too long.” What we need it fostering a civic culture for anything and everything can be solved through dialogues. Let’s work on it.

          • MebrahtuLight

            Hey Palous

            I don’t know how to say Prester John in Tigrinya.

            What we need is common sense. I think one side is being more than fair and the other side is being disrespectful and sinister.

            Ultimately, in a post-Isaias Eritrea, Arabic will have no legal leg to stand on and will be thrown out by elected judges. Until then, Tigrinya will continue to dominate Eritrea like it has been doing for centuries

          • Paulos

            Selam Mebrahtu,

            One can certainly appreciate your passion but what would you say to those who would subscribe different than yours in post-Isaias Eritrea? I believe that is not hypothetical but something that is given–something that is coming. How are you going to address their demand? Muzzle their voices? Or hear them out and find a common ground and try what works?

            Thing is, ours is not unique or unprecedented in the collective annals of history and as you know the difference between history and memory is that you busk in a nostalgia on the latter and you glean a valuable lesson from the former lest one repeats its dark side. And I say, let’s see how others were able to navigate of a similar scenario where the end is not zero sum game. It is possible.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            I followed your exchanges with the gentleman, Menrahtu. Elitist views and mindsets aside, the debate on the language issue among Eritreans that recurs on and off can be seen as analogous to refilling a tank with exhausted fuel and trying to turn on an engine to life. The matter was a done deal, which still holds force by historical precedent.

            In a nutshell, one can put it as one of the constitutinal issues the nation will have to settle after the liberation of the country from the shackles of the anomalous one-person despotic regime. The way the nation will handle those constitutional matters will put a stamp on the fate of the current geopolitical entity, still evolving nation-state one way or the other.

            Elitist views like the one I read above will do better if they would desist from playing it overzealous, and would be wise to broaden their horizon, and help our people survive the dictatorship and preserve their unity as a nation that can translate their socio-cultural multicipility to harmonious productive diversity.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Almost everyone seems on the edge where everyone with even nuanced opposing views is seen as a threat to the things we hold dear. With in the new Western lexicon, Tribalism is inflicting us as well but the uncertainty that is lurking is the symptom if not the eerie sign of what could potentially come in post-Isaias Eritrea.

            The other day, in fact it was last week, I watched a debate between Rezene Habte and Abdella Barole in a YouTube channel called “Tefetawi.” And as much as I appreciated the candor exuded by Abdella and admired his principle as well when he said, right before he came to the debate, a group of Eritreans who elect to speak only Arabic urged him not to appear for they said, the host is Tigrinya and possibly Agazian as well. The extreme views on both sides certainly is not healthy and it is not going to get us anywhere. The question is then, how do we get to the middle ground or the golden mean if you will?

            Well, in my opinion, I would say, we need a solid leadership who can ease our sense of anxiety by tapping on our commonality and shared history including the legacy of our martyrs for every segment of our society had paid for it. Second, we have to encourage and see these kinds of otherwise spiky issues as a sign of strength not a weakness for it will ultimately help us cultivate a civic culture where resolving differences through violence loses any meanings.

            As you know, the longest war that had lasted for one hundred years in Europe and any where else was fought between Great Britain and France but remarkably they found a way around their differences when they founded a great country called, “Canada” where Bilingualism is a sense of badge of honor. I don’t see any reason why we can not pull that kind of remarkable political feat. It is possible.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,
            Can’t agree more. History might get us to dry shores if we excel in reading it. It is what you have aptly put: “the golden mean”, to which I had alluded to earlier. We will have to seek rescue in the wisdom our founding father bequeathed to us. Understanding and respecting the needs of one another was their way in 1952. I do not see why succeeding generations would not do the same and keep their nation together.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            ነዞም ኣብ ቋንቋ ቀንጠብጠብ ንብል ክትተዃዂ ድኣ ደሊኻ እምበር፡ Prester John ዶ ንዓኻ ጠፊኡካ? ቀሺ ሓንስ፡ in Amharic ቀሲስ ዮሓንስ. ናይ በዓል ገርግስ ወንጭፍ እንተተረፈካ’ሲ፡ እንታይ ነይርዎ?

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I knew you were going to shed some light on it and by now I know how to draw your attention. That said however, this is healthy and it was precisely lack of public discourse that got us where we are—closed society stricken with fear of retribution. Everything should be in the open so that we talk and exhaust it even though for some of us could be uncomfortable. ሕልሚ ፈሪሕኩምዶ ከይደቀስኩም ትሓድሩ ይብሉ ለባማት ደቂ ለባማት ከምዚ ከማኻ!

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            እንታይ ኮን ደሊኻ ኢኻ እዚ ኹሉ ኣበስ ቀደስ? 🙂 🙂 🙂

            ንሓደ፡ እቧ ንሱ ድኣ ለባም እንድዩ ለባም ከ መን ኣሎ ከምኡ ምስ በዝሐ፣ ሓደ ትቕብል ኣቢሉ፡ ልቢ ድኣ ክንዲ ሰተታ፡ ቀልቢ ድ’ኣ ‘ምበሪ ኢሉ መለሰ እብለካ። በል እስኪ ቀልቢ ይዓድለና!

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            No ulterior motive nor sinister on my side. This is a Forum and our Agora if you will but the majority of Eritreans do not participate for various reasons where language barrier could be one. Wish Awate was an App so that people can have easy access to it right into the Forum. The culture of ሸፋፊንካ ምሕላፍ hurt us a lot and time to talk including the issue at hand.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            Everything is interpretable. But this was just to make you laugh. Nothing else intended. Cheers

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            It did make me laugh. You reminded me of my mother when she says, እንታይ’ኮን ደሊኻኢኻ and she says that to me ዘረባ ከብዝሕ ከለኹ.

        • no one

          Selam Mebrahtu,
          I can’t agree more. Thank you.

    • David Samson

      Selam Meb,

      Ghedli has always stood on shaky grounds; it has been hidden behind liberation front time. When the country was liberated, we were told, we stick to the 1940 timeline. Anyone who does not start Eritrean history from 1940 was labelled all names. If your question Ghedli’s premises, you are automatically loss being born in the land. Then come the crisis and the freedom to speak. Some people strongly feel, there were not part to the 1940s agreement and do not even know who agreed and what, so have started to question as the stakeholders do not seem to have any in common to form a country—except the history of Ghedli. Some question the entire premises that Eritrea history should begin in 1940 and have taken their extreme position. By the way, I like “Extremist”. Extremism creates its Extremism. The language, among issues, have been dogged the stakeholders for over 70 years and there does not seem any sigh of relief. Only it will get worse once IA is no longer around. We seemed to have been per-occupied with the word “Unity”, and seems to allude us.

      • MebrahtuLight

        Hi David

        Eritrean unity in its current form does not benefit the Tigrinya people. I think the Tigrinya people are better off ditching Isaias, Arabic and declaring independence on their own. I think even the threat of Tigrinya independence would end calls for Arabic as a national language. They don’t seem to grasp that Tigrinya people’s desire for a united Eritrea is not set in stone. Even some Amharas, who have traditionally been the nucleus of the modern Ethiopian state, no longer care for a united Ethiopia. What i’m saying is moods change. Honeymoons end. Tigrinya people care about self preservation than fake unity that brings them misery.