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Narcissus, Marie Antoinette, and Saba Hailu

The following is the draft script for Negarit 99. This time it has been two steps forward, one step backward because #100 preceded #99 so that #100 coincides with Awate Day on September 1, 2020.]

Todays Negarit addresses the story of Narcissus and Narcissism, compares Marie Antoinette and Saba Hailu. The French Revolution; Queens and First Ladies; Louis XVI furniture; Guillotine; Abiy Ahmed the Dictator General of Ethiopia and Eritrea; food shortage in Eritrea; differentiating information and propaganda; “Why don’t they eat cake?”; military parades and high IQ of Eritreans; Greek mythology and the Narcissus flower; the selfie craze and Narcissism; Awate fully resurrected to stay the symbol of patriotism.

I think it was in ninth grade that we learned about The French Revolution of  1789—it went until 1799. In a way it was like the derg, they both overthrew established monarchies.

Both heralded a bloody period that shed so much blood. The French ended up in a dictatorship under Napoleon Bonaparte while the Ethiopian one ushered in Mengistu’s dictatorship. The motto of the French was Liberté, égalité, fraternité, while the Derg’s was Land to the Tiller. However, while France became a republic of liberal democracy, Ethiopia became a totalitarian state.

While the American Declaration of Independence inspired the French to write the Declaration of the rights of Man and citizen, Marxism Leninism, and a tinge of Maoist tactics, inspired the Derg. The victory of the American colonies against the British empire had encouraged the French revolution. The unfortunate equivalent of Haile Selassie in France was Louis XVI, the former the last of the so-called Solomonic dynasty while the latter was last king of France.

The Derg buried Haile Selassie in his royal bathroom (as popular tale goes,) in 1793 the French chopped the head of  louis XVI with the guillotine.

But the French queen is more famous than the king. Marie Antoinette was Austrian, the daughter of Empress Maria Theresa, the Maria Theresa Thaler (dollar) was named after the queen of Austria. Her daughter Queen Marie Antoinette lived a lavish life spending on castles, villas, décor, fashion, ornaments, arts and the like.

However, the most famous legacy is the introduction of the ancient Greek and Roman styles, a neoclassical furniture named after Louis XVI.

The furniture is still  sought after by the wealthy. Importantly, they blamed all the pre-revolution economic crisis on her.

The revolutionaries swiftly Marie Antionette in The French version of Abyotawi shengo, and sent to the guillotine in 1793, nine-months after the execution of her husband.

Of course, revolutions are strange, and they took her son away and handed him over to a cobbler, who was neighborhood Qebelle leader. Her son testified against his mother of wrongdoing!

Saba Hailu

You must be thankful Saba Hailu is not like Marie Antoinette.

Look at her with her grandchild, those who can’t see your children let alone grandchildren, eat your heart out. But Saba lives in a modest house, no servants or the like and visitors serve themselves, like in a buffet. That is why in the last visit of Abiy to his vice-dictator Isaias’ house, Askalu served coffee and the dictator general served bread himself (it’s a cake). So spoiled Eritreans, get your cake or Hmbasha, from Abiy. If any Eritrean is hungry, let them ask for cakes of hmbasha from Weizero Saba Hailu. Problem solved.

Eat Cake

Marie Antoinette is immortalized by two quotes. First, she said, ‘excuse me sir, I didn’t do it on purpose” when she accidentally stepped on the foot of her executioner. But the second one is profound though some people claim it she didn’t say it. But it has become part of the collective human memory and is mostly remembered  that way. When the peasants revolted, she found out it was because they couldn’t find bread; she quipped,  “why don’t they eat cake?” And she is remembered by Marietta, Ohio, the city they named after he in 1788.

Eritreans don’t be too spoiled, if you do not find food, try eating cake. But if you think there are no bounties in Eritrea, let’s see what we have: Fruits, cakes, shHan-full, cappuccino, water, food, food, and more food. Why don’t they eat cakes, like my friend is doing? Why can’t they bake cake?

See! my friend the new information minister of Eritrea proved all the whinners wrong. Eritrea is moving ahead, and he is there to remind us of the real Eritrea—see Sawa for example! Isn’t that impressive. I am glad they appointed him as Eritrea’s information minister, well deserved, Unlike the earlier minister who couldn’t tell us in ten years, what new one informed us in a year. If anyone wants bread, ask him, or visit Weizero Saba Hailu. The new minister has shown us, plates of bean, the shaHan-fool, fruits, dairy farms, stables, water pipes and many more. He also showed people how to bake cakes. God has blessed Eritrea with abundant bounties; every spot “Brezedenti” Isaias steps on, it grows something–corn, wheat, even tomatoes. We know because the new information minister of Eritrea is persistently telling us so.

Nardos, Narcissus

What does the name Nardos mean?

Science is not so good if you depend on mythology, it destroys it. Abowatna emewatna and then science in the form of archelogy and anthropology, linguist and rational thinking destroys your myth. But if mythology is just fund, stories, no hate, violence, or fascism involved, why not? The hyena spoke, fine. It’s a good story, the lion cried, another good story. Just avoid the stone age irrational type of stories. It’s the same with the story of Narcissus—some people do not believe it others keep repeating it because it is a fun, story and not harmful.

Greek mythology has a story about Narcissus, a handsome hunter who was so enamored with his own beauty. He was the son of gods, every character in Greek mythology is born of a god or a goddess, or both. One day Narcissus was hunting and a girl, sort of a deqi Hdrtna, fell in love with him and followed him. When she wanted to embrace him, he turned her back and she was heart-broken, and she disappeared in sadness but only the echo of her sound remained. Another goddess was mad at Narcissus and wanted to punish him—and when she found him thirsty, she tricked him to go to a pond  where he saw the reflection of his face but maybe he never saw his face before, he loved what he saw and wouldn’t take his eyes of the reflection until he melted away. Some say he drowned in the water and disappeared, but it is mythology, who cares. Later, Narcissus reappeared in the same spot as a flower named after him, Nardos, or Nerjis in Arabic. That is the story of why Narcissism became a negative term associated with self-absorbed, self-centered and arrogant people. That is why I think Selfie is a manifestation of narcissism. IMAGE here is the Nardos flower.

The Selfie Craze

I think the Selfie is not only narcissism, it’s a sickness, though could be acute or mild, but it is an expression of narcissism. Back in the day, we used to hold flowers and plants, maybe a narcissus flower which no one knew about, or throw our hands over our friends’ shoulders—that was supposed to be the proper pose when taking a picture. Now we are in the age of selfies. But still I do not understand why many people pose lasciviously when talking a selfie.

If someone takes more than three selfies in a week, a serious narcissism bug must have bitten them. But there are two types of selfies: one is totally vane with no redeeming value and no substance at all, while the other is uplifting and refreshing though rare, like this one…[check the video @ 17:48 minute mark]

See! If this girl would appear with such sharp and extremely insightful, inspiring and empowering message, even ten times a day, I will not have enough of her smart words. Not the kind of talk and appearance that evokes throwing up.

Who is this girl? I would like to talk to her just to register my personal appreciation. When was the last time  you heard such surgical-knife sharp words? For me it has been a while—admit it, you haven’t heard such a delivery for a long time, never.

Awate Resurrected

Hamid Idris Awate’s history stayed in jail for too long. Many of us consider Awate a symbol of Eritrean patriotism; we were sure the name of our national icon’s name will be restored. It did. For the last thirty years, the PFDJ and its supporters ridiculed, insulted and questioned the patriotism of anyone who raised the banner of Awate. They wanted one single icon in Eritreans epic struggle and national narration. However, truth prevailed and last week every patriot worth his salt celebrated Awate Day. It was a revenge of history and personally, I am elated; finally, we are coming together. Thus, we victory is within reach. Eritreans will be liberated.

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • Selam Abi,

    Maybe you have not understood what i want to say. If you adopt the scientific terminologies and all the terms, as they are in english, there shouldn’t be any problem.
    Let me give you an example. “በደም ዉስጥ የሚገኘዉ ሂሞግሎቢን ዋናው ስራው ኦክስጂን ከሳንባ ወደ ቲሹ ማድረስ ነው፤”
    If you learn the scientific terminologies, “hemoglobin, oxygen, tissue”, can you understand the concept? I think you can. Therefore, the difference is in the terminologies, which amharic has not developed, and not in the language. Adopt the terminologies and you can do the job in your own language, in my opinion.

    • Abi

      Horizon
      My comment is waiting for approval by Awate.

  • Selam All,
    I have been meeting different problems on disqus. For example, it is difficult to edit comments or to see votes, etc. Does anybody else have a similar problem.
    Any solution?

    • Abi

      Berhe
      My comment says “waiting for approval by Awate “ before posting.

      • Sultan

        Prof Dr Abnet:
        And the King has come across all of the above including being BANNEDx3!
        So,lucky u, don’t complain!

        • Abi

          King Sultan
          Your Majesty
          I’m not complaining at all. I used a word that is not acceptable by the authorities. The moderator kind enough to delete the bad word to release my earth shattering comment. The word was “ስናች” like in “ take away “.

    • Consolation

      Selam Horizon,

      I have many posts which have been flagged as spam which are still waiting to be treated of the spam virus!

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    ሰላም ሃይላት,

    ደሃይ ዶ/ር ጳውሎስ’ዶ ይህልወካ ይኸውን? We miss Dr Paulos’s inputs.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Emma,

      I don’t have any connection to him other than this forum. If at all any one has, I would suspect you. Because, if my memory is correct, you said “he has PhD in biochemistry”. Sorry if I mischaracterize you, for the first time!
      I liked and miss his toe to toe, though twice he walked on my toe! ouch, painful!
      Cheers

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Hailat,

        I know he lives in the North Eastern of the US where live. That is what he told me in this forum. I wish I knew him in person, but I am not. Besides, I was suspecting the Asmarinos might have connections to talk on their nostalgia about the city. Don’t worry, I have no doubt that he is reading us. ወልፊ ዓወተ ከምጽኦ’ዩ:: ዓወተ እቶም ዝጸልእዋ ከይተረፋ እዮም ዝውለፍዋ::

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Emma,

          Actually I am surprised he is taking too long to come back. I do believe he was observing the Tigray elections.

          Honestly he should show off and run “Victory Lap” and I will be cheering for him.

          Berhe

          • Sultan

            Selam Ustaz Berhe:
            Hope u r not serious that you sound excited about the TPLF style election in Tigrai.
            What is special about it if they banned all opponents specially the PP and Dr Aregawi’s party and telling the people to register and distribute to the people some face masks and order them to throw ballots then double count them and declare as a Winner??
            I know it sounds better than the PFDJ style dictatorship , which is not comparable to any kind of governance.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I am glad the people of Tigray come out and defy the federal government and held election.

            Have you seen the republican guards and the Kanfu masters he has been training.

            I am expecting he is going to say sooner or later “NedeKa May euredela” if he is not checked.

            I said enough already about this topic. I want to see my friend a Paul making a victory lap telling me “I told you”. He told me the election will happen, after I thought it was postponed where I shared fake news not verifying it’s legitimacy.

            I don’t know if it’s try it fake but I saw a clip of Abiy saying, telling the army anyone who has over 1.5 million birr, telling the military to confiscate it. It’s nit they have to brought to court or they have to prove how they got it or they need to pay tax or it but telling the military to just take and use it and give to the government any left over.

            Are you kidding me;). The military???

            There is this amazing SNL type of comedy I saw couple of days ago with regards to the election. I will share it in the weekend, who ever he is he is brilliant.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            Tplf can defy the federal government as much as it wants, but it is never going to see 4-killo again.
            Do you walk around with thousands of dollars in your pocket or do you have them in a bank? Why should an Ethiopian have more than 1.5m on him while there are banks? There could be many explanations for that. Therefore, as long as the government gives you another solution, why not use it, unless there are other sinister reasons.
            Nevertheless, it is not a bad idea that you share tplf’s happiness, because the people gained nothing, other than wasting their time and exposing themselves to Covid-19.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I am not saying the government shouldn’t take action.

            But for the PM declaring and off all people the military to confiscate it, in my opinion is not solving the problem.

            There is an order right ? Stick with it, don’t give ideas to the military where they can use this new found power to their benefit.

            Who is to say, they will not force and kill 10 people who only had 150 thousands and claim they took away from one guy who had 3 million.

            From what I learned, what TPLF did was not illegal and the PM is not the law.

            Trust me, we have been there. And this is how we ended up where we are today.

            In Sept 2000 our National Assembly passed a low to held election in Dec 2001. They also passed a low for the National Assembly to convene regularly.

            In Sept 18, 2001, using the cover of sept 11, he arrested members of the parliament, shut down the private press and suspended the parliament indefinitely.

            Since then, he has been shutting but never opened anything.

            We failed to stop him.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            “From what I learned, what TPLF did was not illegal and the PM is not the law.”
            Why don’t you just openly and proudly declare your solidarity to the criminal Tplf instead of going around the bushes, around the world, around the galaxy, around …. Your head is spinning, your tongue stuttering , your hands shaking…
            Suspend your lousy auditioning for a while and learn from the best and oldest in the business in seamlessly transitioning from Eritrean justice seeker to Tplf activism. If you need a mentor, contact the recruiting officer at 1-800-HIDENRAT.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Stop with your childish intimidation tactics, it will not work. Stick to what I said and respond. So you quoted me, and tell me if I am wrong. Why can’t Abiy bring them to court?

            It’s shame you have a country and you have a government that’s allowing criminals to roam around free and it can’t do much about it.

            It says more about the government than the criminals I am not a TPLF activist and I never wish to be one.

            But I have my own mind and entitled to my opinion.

            The bottom line is, you have nothing to argue about or any principle to stand on. Just empty.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I’m encouraging you to firmly stand on your newfound appreciation for the criminals. Don’t be wobbly!
            You are getting bolder by each passing day in your support after MS’s congratulatory message to the Tplf in their otherwise known as “impressive” election. Of course, that is normal when you are a featherweight . You aimlessly wander following the directions of the wild.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Again you are lots of fluff but no substance. I say it already many times, you can’t defend your arguments with facts.

            I ask you again, what low has they broke?
            What did the Abiy government done about it?

            Is he calling it illegal mades it so?

            But you will never defend your accusations. Calling someone criminal, without proving in the court of law is not something I agree with yes matter who the criminals are.

            But that’s is what you are known for.

            If listening to MS reinforced my view all the better. But I was one of the first to congratulate the TIgray people for conducting successful election (as i understood it). I was not following anyone but my own, but I am not fool to believe that I know everything or that I don’t learn from others.

            MS opinion is more to do on Eritrea internal matters than Ethiopia, TPLF election is a side note.

            You are trying to make stick and label me, as supporting criminals I am not.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Relax!
            You can support anything anytime.
            You are not going to be the last one to say ,“ if you don’t beat them, join them “ slogan. You are not going to be the last one to worship your tormentors.
            Its all good.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It’s fine with me. Glad to see you admit that you just fluff.

            What football games I should watch this weekend. This is what you are good at.

            The tour last day is on Sunday.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Now that you have successfully accomplished your auditioning, you are officially registered in first team of “team Tplf”.

            Chelsea is playing Liverpool coming Sunday. Enjoy!
            What tour are you talking about? I thought you decided to stay home and focus on topic. You better stop this touring the globe. You are getting dizzy 🥴 🥴 🥴 🥴

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I shall attempt to watch the game.

            I was referring to the “Tour of France”, although no Eritrean is on the tour this year

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Tour of France without an Eritrean participating should have been cancelled! Are you kidding me?
            What is the reason for missing the tour? ተወዳዳሪዎቹ ጠፉ?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Tewedadariwoch moltewal:).

            I don’t know the details but may be scaled down tour.

            The South African team has taken different route in its strategy and it seems to recruit a lot of European team instead of Africans.

            Regardless the number of Eritreans on the pro club has been picked up lately, with COVID it’s understandable that a lot yours have been cancelled.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Let us hope they compete next year.( is it every year? I don’t want to pretend I know something about the race)
            I still remember the picture MS posted here a while back. That picture of an Eritrean cyclist ( I forgot his name) on a bridge is forever memorable.
            If you have it please share over the weekend.

          • Nitricc

            for the PM declaring and off all people the military to confiscate it, in my opinion is not solving the problem.

            Hi Berhe; that is exactly how you solve the problem. The people has been robbed for years and were looking the other way while their resources were stolen. Now to get the chance back at the criminals and thugs, the game is on. sharing the wealth is always good thing.

            From what I learned, what TPLF did was not illegal and the PM is not the law.

            Really Berhe? Shame on you.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I will be nice and try to make some sense to you.

            1) Giving power to military who already have the guns to use for their advantage anytime is not a solution.

            2) if the government have changed the money and give guidelines, and this money (if stolen) becomes useless what’s the point? Why the military would need to be involved in the first place.

            3) To me it shows Abiy have no idea what he is doing? Giving license to practically kill anyone who refuse to cooperate is not a solution.

            I honestly don’t think the US dollar exchange rate 27 is far fetched from reality, if a person requires around 1000 Br (around 40 US) for daily spending (500 food, 100 qat (I don’t know why this us necessity) 100 mobile, transportation (100) etc.). I know this may not the average spending needs, but I think this is very expensive and doesn’t make sense with the annual / monthly salary of middle class.

            I wish I can say better dats are ahead but honestly I don’t see how Ethiopia will navigate the economic hardship that’s ahead. Either the country has to inject a lot of income / Foreign currency (either via exports or investment) to keep inflation in check or it will go to hyperinflation, if it has that much paper money is being circulated. The fact that they are changing, 5 Br to coin says what the value of real Br is.

            This will be my last comment with regards to Ethiopia internal matter, unless I need to respond / defend myself.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            It is a great idea that you decided to keep quiet rather than stuttering on things you got no clue about.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Why focus on how I say stuff. I know this tactic, you diverting the issue, you are trying to put me in defence, all boils down to, to silence me from commenting.

            I say I will stop because it’s not really my (Eritrea problem) but Ethiopian matter.

            As an Ethiopian, you should pay attention and come up with your own ideas and plans and possible solutions, instead of nit picking on others, and latch on like insect on others comments.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            It was really painful to watch you struggling to come out of the big hole you found yourself in.
            Next time watch where you going with your fingers.
            Stay cool my friend.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; you are talking like a white man talks about Africa. I don’t think you understood the magnitude and the enormousness of the problem. If you really understood it, you will never say what you are saying. Thanks to TPLF thugs Corruption, theft, Dishonesty and Bribery is becoming to the Ethiopian culture. This dangerous culture that is introduced to the Ethiopians by the thugs needs all out action and including desperate measures. Like PMAA said, what do you do when the government, the police, the judge and the business man is thief? The system what TPLF thugs has built needs to be destroyed completely if there is any chance for Ethiopia. Is it unusual what PMAA is doing, yes but so is the problem Ethiopia is facing? Try to understand the situation on the ground.

          • Sultan

            Selam Berhe:
            Your #1,2 and 3 arguments are weak and out of context, in my opinion,since you exaggerated the instruction as if it were meant to kill every one!

            Your paragraph after /below item#3 is reasonable and close to accurate .
            I asked same question as to how people survive with an average income of 2000-3000 birr per month when the minimum rent per month for the dirtiest and cheapest Apt is 2500 birr.
            Without exaggeration,I was spending a minimum average of 6000(six thousand)birr per day was not enough for me and for my Mom for our hotel , meals and round trip taxi !
            -$75(2200 birr) per day for hotel at Ghion( now one of the worst hotels)
            -1500 birr per day for 3 meals(ave of 200 per meal per person
            -600 birr per day for tax(Korea hospital to Ghion round trip )
            -300 birr per day telephone
            -600 birr miscellaneous
            At times,had to pay up up 10k birr for eye and dental exams …
            Saw some depositing 35k birr for preop / surgical eval.
            FYI:
            The average black market exchange was 38-41 birr for a $(42 today)!
            Familiar?
            U remember the Eritrean situation when a $ was worth of 55nacfa … and people could not afford a meal a day , let alone to afford monthly rent!!!

          • abdu

            salam Ato Berhe
            the money goes to Ministry of Defense not to Individuals

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abdu,

            Thank you for the correction.

            1) Do you think that’s the right thing to do?
            2) Is this legislated and passed as low by the parliament ?

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Berhe:
            In my naive opinion:
            -It is beyond “ the right thing to do” for the nation in economic crisis!
            -As the Commander-in-Chief and the PM of the nation in crisis, there is no need for him to wait for the bureaucratic parliamentary process so as to catch the ILLEGAL outflow and the smuggling of billions of $$!
            As a reminder,2×2 and 2+2= 4( ALWAYS)!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            Hi Sultan,

            I don’t know what you mean “2×2 and 2+2= 4( ALWAYS)!”, and what is the relevance to what I said.

            I don’t know if you know what Arbitrage means. But I can tell you, if there is millions of dollars Birr in the hands of individuals, it creates opportunity for arbitrage.

            My guess, the US / other Forex exchange will rise dramatically. They will pay anything to dump the Br in the hands of individuals beyond the allowed limit.

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Berhe :
            2×2 and 2+2=4 meant “as simple as it sounds”!
            Do not expect common sense let alone perfection in this evil and corrupted world specially when it comes to dirty money, dirty politics and power.
            Everything is RELATIVE and mostly FAKE business.

          • Sultan

            Berhe:
            Read and understand Dr AAA well contextually!
            When he instructed the Army, he is indicating that the confiscated money will go to the Min of Defense !
            It is a National Crisis affecting seriously the National Security Interest of the nation.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            As sensible and understanding citizen as you are,I never heard you criticizing those, who were abusing our nacfa ;and rather you were demonizing the GoE for taking a SWIFT and bold measure to halt that destructive corruption!

            I believe in free and open market economy with controls and oversight. I don’t believe in secret autocratic government making decision behind the closed door with out any rational.

            – I never supported people who were doing illegal activities. But I think it’s important to ask, why such corrupted illegal activities created in the first place. The government policy created all the opportunities for corruption and it has never made any attempt to fix problems but rather blame others for his failures.

            I criticize the government because the solution is band-aid temporary solution. It’s action is short sighted and it doesn’t encourage investors willingly to invest their capital and their know how to benefit for themselves and in the process help develop the economy.

            How many investors do you know who are willing to invest in Eritrea under such government policy? Would you?

            I know how money works and how wealth is created. Most of it has to do with people sentiment and confidence in the country / economy and government. If you don’t have any of these, unless you have billions, billions of worth of natural resources, it’s almost impossible to see progress.

            I encourage you to listen to Ray Dalio

            How The Economic Machine Works by Ray Dalio – YouTube

            https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk0299r7PMjvwZOeDjJ6YLmex2VVl5w%3A1600653251001&ei=wgdoX5rOPMLbtAazq7fwBQ&q=ray+dalio+economic+principles+video&oq=ray+dalio+the+princple+vi&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoHCAAQsQMQQzoECAAQQzoCCAA6BQgAEJECOggIABAWEAoQHjoECAAQDVDvIViFUmCqaGgAcAB4AIABZ4gBqgySAQQxNC4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab

            And if you need a longer and deep material

            Principles by Ray Dalio, you will find pdf version.

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Ahlen Ya Berhe Tsaida:
            “ But I think it’s important to ask, why such corrupted illegal activities created in the first place. The government policy created all the opportunities for corruption and it has never made any attempt to fix problems but rather blame others for his failures.“!
            Sah( correct)!
            I joked about it at TN and here…. asking”After all,wasn’t it the same PFDJ Govt, which led to such serious corruption?”

            But here is the fact :
            Even if the GoE was able to develop corruptions rules and regulations, such monetary corruption is inevitable and rampant for obvious reasons.
            Talk about the giant Wall Street and the ENRON Corruption during GW Bush era, which led to total destruction of the world economy , in and by the very same nation priding itself in building the best “Democracy” and strongest Institutions with checks and balances .

            Check how Trump is doing….. a $1.5 Trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest and only 1% of the population(out of the 335 million) with 50 million people living under poverty line!
            But the issue/question was about correcting the self-inflicted mess!
            In my opinion,I believe the PFDJ did a better job in stabilizing our nacfa despite its messy and chaotic policies, failures and “crimes”

          • Selam Sultan,

            Tplf parliament has 190 seats. 152 seats were contested to be won. Tplf won 98.2% of the votes and got all the 152 seats. That is 100%, another meto-be-meto. History repeats itself.
            Thirty eight seats were donated to the participating parties by the generous tplf, although in reality they won no seats. These are borrowed seats, which in actual fact belong to tplf and are controlled by tplf. This is a world class elections. Such elections could be concocted only in dictatorships.
            By the way is this how things happened? I want to have it clear in my mind. Thanks.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Haile; no worries; He will be here. now that the election is over and TPLF won by 98%; he is not only happy but he will tall us how the democracy is working in Tigray. Even Mehari Yohanness is questioning by saying ” why do we had an election”? What the Tigryans failed to understand is yesterday was TPLF, today is TPLF and tomorrow will be TPLF. TPLF can’t be out of power in Tigray; they can’t. They know they be hanged on a broad day light by the people of Tigray.

        • Abi

          General
          If you remember correctly, the switch from Pappilon to Paulos took more than two years.
          I wonder how long it takes to switch from Paulos to….
          The ever attentive Detective Abi is watching 🙂
          Last time it took me just two comments to smoke him out.
          Bring it on!!!

        • Ismail AA

          ሰላ ምንትርኽ፣

          ኣደካ ትብለካ አይግበረልካ፣ ሰበይትካ ትብሎ ይግበረልካ ይብሉ ኣቦታትካ። ዘረባካ ከኣ ከምኡ ኮይኑ።

          • Desbele

            Selam Ismail,
            “ሰው የሚማረው
            ኣንድም በፊደል ሀ ብሎ
            ኣልያም በመከራ ዋ ብሎ ነው…” ጸጋየ ገ/መድህን

            ንትርኽ ብሓቂ፣ ኣይ ካብ ፈላጣት ክመሃር ኣይ መከራ ኤርትራውያን ተረዲእዎ ዓገብ ክብል። ሰብ ዶ መዋዕሉ ክታረኽ ይነብር እዩ፧

      • Sultan

        Hailat:
        If my memory serves me right, I thought Prof Aman also said that he missed Dr Paulos in some of their meetings???

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aman,
      Thank you for your thoughts about Dr. Paulos. Yes indeed, his phenomenal and versatile input is missed, of course not to all; some of us. I hope his absconding from this forum we all love is for good reason(s), and eventually will show up.

    • Consolation

      Selam All,

      Unlike the hardened and cynical Eritrean supporters of Weyane, who are driven by deep grudges and implacable animus, Dr. Paulos genuinely believed in the TPLF. He is unabashed in his praise of Meles and his admiration for that rat has a child-like innocence. It was clear from many of his unguarded outbursts that he has totally identified Eritrea with Esu and his hatred for the latter had turned into hatred for Eritrea. Had I not believed him to be an Eritrean, I would have taken him for a Tigrayan. I knew that he was headed for a major psychological wake-up as his illusions about the criminal organization are shattered and in fact warned him to take care lest the inevitable fall become traumatic. In any case, I hope his disillusion is temporary and without permanent scars.

      ኣብ ዓወተ ኮም ኣብ ዘዝመጸላ
      ዘንብቦ እንተኾነ ወያነ ዝቃልዑላ
      ቀተልቲ ምንባሮም ዝመሃረላ
      ተጋሩ ከም በዓል ኣርኣያ ዘዕልሉላ
      ህወሓት ምዃና እኽብካብ ጕሒላ
      ምስኣመነ ከምዘይኮነ ቤለው ቤላ
      ምስሎም ካብቲ ኣብ ሓንጎሉ ዘላ
      ተቐዪራ ምስኮነት ምስሊ ዕዋላ
      ኣይገርመኒን ንዓይ ሰዓቱ ምእካላ
      እንታይ ገደሰኒ ይኣኽለኒ ዝብለላ።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Consolation,

        “Child-like innocence” really? What did you contribute to the enlightenment of the forumers in this forum except an empty boasting, bluffing and denigrating your opponents? Dr Paulos, agree/disagree, he is humble, matured, well versed of various discipline of knowledge, always ready to share them with us in this forum. Judging from your comment and reading his educative comment, you are not in his league.

        Cowards can only boast behind pen names. When wayane brought all kinds of developments to the people of Tigray, PFDJ brought destruction and suffocation to our people. Go and google and check the urbanization of their cities, number of universities and colleges, new industries, their infrastructures, just in 30 years is phenomenal. If you compare them with ours you will see the big gap. The difference of Tigray we know it then and the Tigray we know it now, within 30 years, is the work of wayane. Facts are facts. ቅዱስ ቅንኢ እንተዝህልወካ ነዚ ዘሎ አረሚን ስርዓት አልግስና: ንህዝብና ጠርኒፍና: ንምሁራትና ወዲብና: ንትንሳኤን ንልምዓትን ሃገርና ክትብል ምኸኣልካ ነይርካ:: ኣብ ክንድኡ ግን ንወያነ ክትራገም: ንህዝቢ ትግራይ ከአ ነብሰ-ምትእምማን ዘይብሎም ክትብል: ግዜኻ ተሕልፎ አለኻ:። ኣብ ከምዚ አተሓሳስባ ዝተሽኽለ ሰብ ከም ገይሩ’ዩ ምስ ዶ/ር ክዋዳደር ዝኽእል?

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Aman,
          Do not rule out individuals like this brother of ours may not make u-turn at any time. Have your ever debated as passionate and intelligent supporter of the regime, on the one end of the spectrum as our good brother Mahmud, and the celebrated critic of the regime as Ali Salem, on the other end of it, in this forum? We have witnessed both making u-turn. I agree some in this forum may not measure up to the two I mentioned. I have in mind brothers like Semere Tesfai.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            I agree with you that U-turns is common Phenomenon in a political discourse. In my article “U-Turns Regression: Two Opposition, Two Eritreas“ have noted the following statement:

            “All political U-turns stem from the inherent contradictions of political positions, and most often is seen at the leadership levels and to a lesser degree at the lower level of a vacillating class of elites.”

            True, Mahmuday and Younis Hossien (Ali Salim) made U-turns in their political discourse and understood what Haile-TG once eloquently explained the value of “truth” as follows: “In truth, there is no pain but comfort, no fear but courage, no chaos but order, no betrayal but trust and no dishonor but the highest of accolades.”

            Since one of the inherent characteristics for U- turners is “oscillation” it is not necessary that all U-turners stay in the same momentum once they found the true national discourse. But that I mean some do and some don’t. Principle and truth matters to be trusted by the public. In any case YH (Ali Salim) one of the few conceptualists we have In Awate.com, who always come with provoking ideas is greatly missed.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,
            Indeed, thank you for the re-brief. I, too, miss both of those elagant writers and commentators.

          • Consolation

            Selam Amanuel,

            The ELF cadres who left their home as Eritrean nationalists ready to giver their lives for their people and nation and who ended up as servants of the TPLF, are the foremost U-Turners.

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          The other fact is Paulos always used nicknames. Of course you are ok with that since he is your “Pappi “.
          You also ignored to tell us while Tplf was busy urbanizing Tigray on one hand, it was chocking Eritrea to death on the other. Of course you are ok with that since it is your weyane.
          ኧረ ትንሽ እያረፉም እያፈሩም ይሁን:: ግንፋሽ እንዳያጥርዎ

        • Consolation

          Selam Amanuel,

          Had the TPLF and Meles taught their people the value of hard work instead of the art of getting rich by robbery, they would have achieved over the long term. You see, sooner or later, the robbed rebel and close all the loop-holes. The fact that the TPLF stole billions of dollars from Ethiopians just to build 5-storey blocks, even in remote villages, may impress you but it is a pathetic manifestation of Tigrayan inferiority complex. All those blocks that you see in Mekele, owned by a few kleptocrats, will not change the cold reality that 70% of their people have no access to clean drinking water. A society that values theft is a society that is doomed to failure. Meles, the man that you and Dr. Paulos admire, said that thievery is ok as long as you get away with it. You may have had your reasons to serve the Weyanes but Paulos, poor soul, did it for no gain to himself. And he clang to the myth of Weyane holiness until there came a time when he could not look himself in the mirror. That is why his admiration of the thugs has the halo of the innocence of a child.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Consolation,

            The Ethiopian people had lost that great man Meles forever…And now look what is going on..Trust me what he has accomplished in his short life we didn’t seen that development even with his ealder brother PIA..even if God provider 100 years more to your leader you will not see..what Meles had done in his short life of 57 years..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            The joke goes like this
            ኮከብ: “መለስ ለኢትዮጵያ ያከናወነው ዋናው ተግባር ምንድን ነው?”
            አቢ: “መለስ ለኢትዮጵያ ያከናወነው ትልቁ ተግባር መሞቱ ነው::”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            Don’t say so to the dead..That is not in our culture,that is not even in the world,,,,

            “,,,,,, መሞቱ ነው::” is that mocking?..Making fun of someone or something in a cruel way;

            Come on, Be honest is there any thing done after his death?
            Nothing at all..

            See, now around Gonder..to be specific Fogora today all people are,,, people displaced by floods in Lake Tana and the people are suffering while your PM is showing up the his great job in Addis Ababa..yesterday it was in Afar area and today is Gjam go back and count the death rate you will surprise what is going on in Ethiopia..

            I think, now there is no government at all,,and you are mocking at someone who was doing the best to that corrupted nation of ours and(you and me are suppose to do our home work serving our people)..let us solver those problems practically my dear,,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ነገሩ ወዲህ ነው ኮኮቤ!
            አየህ መለስ እንኳን በህይወት እያለ ሞቱም ቢሆን ለኢትዮጵያ ትልቅ ስራ ሰርቷል:: አንዳንድ እውራን ከክርስቶስ ጋር የሚያወዳድሩት ወደው አይደለም!
            በመሞት የከፈለውንም ውለታ አንረሳውም::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo.

            ምነው ሰወች ለምን ስለ እናት ጥሩ ነገር ኣናስብም ለምንድነው እናታችን በሆድ መምልያ እምንሸጣት ኣረ ተው.. ኣብይ እኮ የጠቀመን ነገር የለም::

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ዛሬ ደግሞ ምን ነካብኝ? አሁን ስለ እናት ማን ምን ተናገረ ብለህ ነው የምትቆጨው?
            አብይንስ እዚህ ጉዳይ ውስጥ ምን ዶለው?

          • Consolation

            KS,

            All the problems in and of Ethiopia are of Meles’ making. That little rat devised an evil system designed to create ethnic divisions and conflict so that his 6% Tigray could rule a divided Ethiopia for 50 or more years. He and his TPLF corrupted everything in the country, its education system, its financial system, its identity, etc. Today, the ethnic divisions have been so inflamed that a Tigrayan cannot live safely anywhere outside of his/her region and that is true for all ethnics. The TPLF deliberately tried to destroy the sense of nationhood in the country. The Tigrayans became instant millionaires and billionaires because they were free to rob the country dry. He betrayed Eritrea and deported 90,000 just so that he can rob them of their property. He used Ethiopia to wage a war against Eritrea which consumed 20,000 Eritreans and 130,000 Ethiopians! One can write books about all the evil that was planned and executed. Thankfully, the people of Ethiopia acted before the TPLF could finish its project. Ethiopia has a chance now to recover even though the path is fraught with great danger. And the TPLF instead of recognizing its past crimes and taking the opportunity of let’s forget the past that Abiy extended has been acting as it is the injured party and over the past 2 and half years has continued its destructive criminal terrorist activities. So please don’t insult us by trying to prove that Meles was not evil incarnate.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Cons.

            “That little rat devised an evil system designed to create ethnic divisions” Do you mean the best system designed by smart found at last by our hero of African politicians? He was very cleaver and very honest to the world..I only found out recently and soon as got the idea of everything he left the world,,I am unlucky..That was even the nations of 100 M lost this great man…. Even those who talk to him world leaders are still remembering him….

            Say it today..where were you when we fought against your front and this ugly TPLF ? Now you are only talking and that is nice..so do you count how much heroes in that war? It is double and say it was only it was 40 years back… it was ELF only then that was the end for me..Now, what are you going to do for your country and now you guys are finished,,look those fighters of EPLF all are in prison. Those during that time I was in ELF, where are heroes of EPLF like that Petros and Drue? If they had to listen carefully our voice that was from that time we know this country is under dictator and now all of you will end and take care and listen carefully..one by one we Eritreans are finished this ugly boss of yours..Keep in safe place before someone eats you..there is no friendship in your front at all..They don’t know what brotherhood is they will destroy everything.. They are very criminal people but at the same time selfish and cowards.

            There is no way Ethiopia will recover even if time goes by..There was a chance during his (Dr. Abey) arrival but after he got a lesson form your boss he got doctorate to clean the constitutions and dismantle the federals system…See now, open Ethiopian news and you will find out how much dying every morning…Look what is going on today…He got very nice lesson from your boss and he is doing the same…

            KS..

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kokhob,

            It’s gratifying to witness your health is remarkably approaching normality. The familiar sharpness of your mind is back. Please, give your self sufficient time so that you get absolute recovery. Do not burden yourself by reading and commenting on stressful comments that do not carry weight in any sense.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            You are right that Kokhobay has to give enough time for his full recovery. It is the same advice I always offer to him when we spoke on the phones. Kokhobay heed to the advice of Ismailo.

          • Sultan

            Selam Ustaz Ismael:
            Agree and wish him to recover fully so that he will keep contributing to /for the Eritrean Literature!

    • David Samson

      Selam Emma,
      Rumour has it: Paulos has been spotted in Tigray, but not sure if he is there as a foreign observer or diasporan.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; in any conversation Mostly Ethiopians love to use English words. Eritreans do less the mixing but in both cases when it comes to the word “strategy” both use English. What Amharic or Tigrigna words would you use to say ” strategy”

    • Abi

      General
      In Tigrinya and Amharic there is no strategy. It is only tragedy.
      There is strategical tragedy.
      Does it make sense?

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abiy; that is true hahahahaha. I try to find the right word for strategy and i failed tragically. lol

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Abi,
        How about ዕላማ?

        • Abi

          MM
          ዓላማ is Goal
          Strategy is ትልም
          When you say “ለታለመለት አላማ ” you mean strategic goal.

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            ትልም which is ትልሚ in Tigrigna is plan. A strategy is a different animal than a plan. Let me look for an example in what Mengistu did in Eritrea. His strategy was end the war by military means. He could have chosen a different strategy such as to end the conflict through negotiations. Once you set your strategy, then you come up with a plan to effect the strategy.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            Mengistu’s objective ( goal) was to win over the ወንበዴዎች. His strategy (ትልም) was to use force.
            He could have used a better strategy ( ትልም) to reach his objective ( goal) .

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I think መርሃግብር is a better definition.

          • Nitricc

            I think መርሃግብር is a better definition.

            Hey Abiy that will be principal. try again.

      • Consolation

        Abi,

        You guys have been fighting for 700 years. How come you never came up with a word for strategy? Was all that military history conducted without strategy? Eritreans were always a peaceful people. First of all, there were not that many of us. And then we were scattered in small hamlets. So it is understandable that we have no word for strategy which is essentially rooted in military operations!

        • Abi

          Consolation
          I got a joke for you
          AAU president requested a budget to expand the Linguistic Department. When Mengistu heard the news he yelled “ደግሞ ዩኒቨርስቲው የት ሊዘምት ነው የሎጅስቲክስ በጀት ይጨመር የሚሉት? ጏዶች, እንዴት ነው ይህችን አገር የምናሳድገው?…..

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Nitricc
      Eqed, maqed, metelem……

      • Nitricc

        Hi Teddy “Eqed” is PROJECT . try again.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Nitricc
          Telm, zegejt

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      ውጥን is a Tigriana

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        Hi Berhe; “ውጥን” is PLAN. try again i have thought about it and to no avail.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          You may be right it may be “Tigrinianized” as in adapted in Tigriana.

          I would leave for the tegadelti to give you accurate answer.

          I just quickly look at my book “Qiya 18 deqayq”, Eritrean commandos, and in the appendix page there is a page there is a drawing / map.

          It says “Harfaf AteHaHza Strategy”, so if we didn’t have it for that operation, may be we adapted the word, like television.

          Berhe
          ,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; there is a word mostly Eritreans use and that is MITI-E-TS-TSA-F I don’t know if i spell it right but when that word is used, it comes close in to sounding to mean strategy.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I don’t think they are the same. The word mitieTSaf is to be flexible and adaptable to changing situations to your advantage.

            I take it you haven’t listened Mahmud Saleh video at Meskerem.

            He speaks about past EPLF culture of MiTesASf, now lost:) and replaced.

            Go listen, he may have the word for Strategy,

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            adaptable to changing situations to your advantage.

            Hi Berhe; if you have to explain to some one what a strategy means, that exactly you will say, NO?
            I heard about it but i refused to visit Tigrayonline-2.0. If someone bring it here or on TN; then maybe. When people or websites lose their dignity and kiss behind Eritrea’s enemy, Not only i have no respect for them but i hope they burn in hell. Anything MS has said, he earned it, he reserve the right to criticize for what he fought and created for, what ever he has said, i have nothing but respect.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            This is where you need to KitASaSef:) you need to be flexible. You need to focus on the message and not on the messenger.

            I will provide you the link, or visit his FB page.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; i can assure you he won’t speak against what is best for Eritrea and i guaranteed you MS won’t trash his people like the trashy people on this forum who trash everything Eritrean. You can trash the government all day and night but never the country and the people. Anyway, bring it over the weekend and i will listen to it and i give you my take.

          • Sultan

            Berhe and Gen:
            There isn’t any correct and convenient term in Tigarinya for “Strategy” even though the unsuspected Linguist, Dr Abinet,is close to it but still far from it contextually!
            Ex:
            “ Mizlak- Strategic Retreat/withdrawal)”!
            There is no exact and satisfactory term for it!
            Consolation is close to it.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            ጎንደሬው
            “ስልት” ብንለውስ?
            ስልታዊ ማፈግፈግ!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            Absolutely, strategy is ስልት in Amharic and ስልቲ in Tigrigna.

          • Consolation

            Haile S.,

            ስልቲ is tactic

            tactics: the branch of military science dealing with detailed maneuvers to achieve objectives set by strategy

            tactics : a plan for attaining a particular goal

            Mengistu’s objective was to win the war
            Strategy: was to use massive force
            His tactics: 8 offensives, Red Star being the biggest, terrorize the people, etc

            EPLF objective was to liberate Eritrea
            Strategy: build a dejen, war of attrition, wear the enemy down sufficiently and then go for the kill
            tactics: refer to the military history of the EPLF

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            What is ብልሓት then?

          • Consolation

            Selam Haile S.,

            Ingenuity.

          • Sultan

            Prof Abnet:
            That would be a “tactical withdrawal!

          • Selam Abi.

            Do you think that it is easy to differentiate between, for example, tactic and strategy in Amharic?
            There is this language, Hindi, spoken by Indians. I could be mistaken, but when i hear it spoken, i feel that it is a mixture of the Indian language and English, and they don’t seem to have a problem with that. Ethiopians also insert English words here and there when they feel short of words, or ..,
            Therefore, why shouldn’t we use words from the English language, which themselves are often the product of Latin and Greek, especially science terminology and complex concepts.
            I think that we could teach all lessons in Amharic, for example, if we adopt the more or less international terminologies of science and other topics. We can’t invent now, unless they are everyday spoken words.

      • Abi

        Hawna Berhe
        ውጥንቅጡን አወጣኸው

    • Consolation

      Hi Nitro,

      There is no Tigrigna word for it, so we use ስትራተጂ Adopting foreign words is a smart strategy that enriches a language. The most indebted language is said to be English. They have no qualms about borrowing words from whatever source.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Conso; It is interesting no Amharic and no Tigrigna; how about Arabic?
        i bet you Arabic has one.

        • Consolation

          Hi Nitro,

          No Arabic either እስትራተጂያ, i wonder if this so for all Semitic languages, say like Hebrew. But no need to feel bad about it.

          strategy (n.)1810, “art of a general,” from French stratégie (18c.) and directly from Greek strategia “office or command of a general,” from strategos “general, commander of an army,” also the title of various civil officials and magistrates, from stratos “multitude, army, expedition, encamped army,” literally “that which is spread out” (from PIE root *stere- “to spread”) + agos “leader,” from agein “to lead” (from PIE root *ag- “to drive, draw out or forth, move”). In non-military use from 1887.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    መዓልኩም

    ኤረትራ ኣብ ጻዕረ-ሞት
    ትሰሓግ ኣላ
    ብናይ ኣየር ሕጽረት
    ‘ተረኸበት መስተርሆት
    ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ ግን ይዛረቡ
    ብናይ ጸገም-ጎረበት
    ኤረትራ ‘ንታዮም ኴና
    የግዳስ ነዚ ህዝቢ
    ኣውዲቖሞ ኣብ ሸኾርተት

    ካብ ኩሉ ኣቱም ምሁራት
    በሃልቲ
    መሰልቲ
    ልቢ ግበሩ
    ሃገርኩም ‘ንዳዓረበት

    ኣብ ጎረበት ተተኩሩ
    ‘ንታይ ‘ዩ ጸገምኩም?
    ዶ ዋላስ ዘይንፈልጦ
    ሚስጥርኩም ዓቢጥኩም

    ኣብ ጓይላ ዓዋተ ትላሃዩ
    ከተምስሉ
    ደቂ ሃገር ኢና ትብሉ
    ከይትሕመዩ
    ምርዳእ ‘ኳ ኣብዩና

    • Consolation

      Selam MM,

      ከዳዕ: ክሕደት ዝመረጸ
      ተረፍ ወያነ እንተልመጸ
      መሲልዎ ዝረብሐ ዝበለጸ፥
      ሕጂ ወያነ ምስተቓበጸ
      ከብዱ እንተተቐርጸ፥
      ኣብ ትዊተር እንተፋጸ
      ኣብ ፌስቡክ እንተሓንጸጸ
      ኣብንዳ ዓዋተ እንተላገጸ፥
      ይብራሃሉ ዝመጸ እንተመጸ
      ደርሆ፡ ርእሱ ምስተቖርጸ
      ኣለኹ ኢሉ ከይቀበጸ
      ነፊሩ ሰማይ እንተወጸ
      ተመሊሱስ: ሜረት ነይረገጸ።

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Selamat Consolation
        ካብዛ ርእሱ ዶ ምውራድ ኣቢኻ ንዓቢ-ዓርጌን ሓቀይ? 🙂

        ‘ንታይ ኣስተውዒለልካ መስለካ? ኣብ ከምዚ ነገራት ትዕምብብ:
        ቁርስኻ = ክድዓት ክድምና ጥልመት
        ምሳሕካ = ምእሳር ምህጋር ምድንጋር
        ድራርካ = ምቕታል ምቑራጽ ምሕራድ

        • Consolation

          MM,

          ሳክት ግዜኻ ኣይተባኽን። ወያነ ይቕበሩ ኣለው። ዝኸፍሉኻ ተኾይኖም ብዶላር በሎም።

          • Nitricc

            Hi Conso; probably all he got is a free air ticket and free food and he is defending the thugs day in day out. The dollar days of the thugs are over. so, i guess he has to settle with Birr with his masters.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Nitricc
            How poor are you guys thinking of free air ticket?
            That’s almost my one day work pay. Really?
            You guys are really broke. Only a poor person can be tempted by free air ticket.
            I guess HGDF follows are poor in everything; starting from morally bankrupt to brain deficiency to empty pocket.

          • Nitricc

            MM; why do you brag so much? I am guessing Aman-H gets paid more than you are, a clinical pharmacist should make more that entry level IT, as you are. I am just guessing. it costs 1500 dollars to to get a ticket to Ethiopia and you are saying, you make 1500 dollars a day, huh? You see, if Aman-H can sell his should for free ticket, while making more than you are, the chances to fall for the thugs free gift and serving them day and night is not out of the possibility. I respect dignity, I honor humility i hate bragging, if i have to bet, i bet with every dollar that you are nothing but from Adi-grat. no Eritrean will act as you are. have some respect for your self.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Nitricc
            You have asked and I have answered.
            Now that upgraded me from Uber driver to entry level IT is an improvement 🙂
            If Aman-H gets paid more than me, I would be super happy. I even would be happy if you get paid more than me, that will be a stretch though 🙂

          • Nitricc

            MM; I just don’t want to hurt your feeling but computer science is not a profession, rather it is a hobby and side-line action. The greatest hackers never set a foot in school, yet, they break every fire-wall of highly secure institutions. How can you explain that? You see, in fact the great computer minds never went school. So, stop bragging and find real profession and then may be we can accept your endless bragging. So, take it easy and enjoy your free ticket.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ደባስ
            ወያነ ይቀበር ኣይቀበር [ዋላ ‘ኳ ቀብሪ ዝብልዎ ተጸላእኩ] ናተይ ጸገም ኣይኮነን። ጸገመይ ኣያኻ ‘ዩ።
            ኣያኻ ተቐቢሩ ዝብል ዜና ንጽበ።
            ኣሜን

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awatawyan,

    Just to change the mood of the forum. What is the color of September/Meskerem flower in the Asmara (Sembel) plateau? I should say the dominant color?

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile,
      Depending on the region – altitude and terrain – in where I was born and raised the color was dominantly varied from brownish yellow to bold yellow.

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Ismail and Fanti,

        Ismail
        We the Asmara urbanites are city-centered. Sorry for limiting it to that plateau. But you answered for all other regions. Thanks

        Fanti
        Thanks for the up vote. Where is the answer?

    • Dongolo

      Selam Haile S. Funny. You before chastise me for diverting from the subject line and now you wish to talk about flowers. Hypocritical a bit are we not?

      • Haile S.

        Good day Dongolino,

        Were you waiting me on the next corner? Me, I declare, ውልዕ ጥፍእ እንዳርኣኹ እየ ዝጥወ፡ you see! You remind me about a Cadre who use to come to our ቀበሌ in the late 70s and use to say ልጸጋም ፍራቻ እናርኣኹም ልየማን ትጥወዩታ ኣድሃርያን, accusing us of anti-revolutionary inattention.
        I never asked you to stop talking about the tplf’s referendum, the monetary policies of Eth or if you were kind enough, about the prisoners of EraEro.. please do. Now if you know a little about Asmara plateau, please answer the question. You will be generously compensensated by a nice song on Friday, if you get the answer.

        • Abi

          መምህር
          Only romantic people like yours truly are well versed in types and values of fresh cut flowers or flowers on the meadows.
          ተጋዳዮች እንኳን የአበባ ሥም የራሳቸውንም አያውቁም::

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            Although Addis Ababa means new flower, Google image doesn’t show that flowers have arrived to the city. Check it here.

            https://www.google.ca/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&hl=en&as_q=asmara+flower&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&imgar=&imgc=&imgcolor=&imgtype=&cr=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

            But Asmara is awash with flowers, the most iconic being bougainvillea. See Asmara and its beautiful flower adorned streets and villas.

            https://www.google.ca/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&hl=en&as_q=asmara+flower&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&imgar=&imgc=&imgcolor=&imgtype=&cr=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

          • Selam Consolation,

            I read that Calla Lily is the national flower of ethiopia. I expected meskel flowers (yellow daisies), rather than any other flower. I didn’t know it. When i see the picture, I do remember that these flowers are common in ethiopia, but we never pay attention.
            Anybody remembers “flame flower trees in the streets of nazret? They were wonderful.
            Bougainvillea are beautiful tropical plants of different colors. They are difficult to grow in cold climates of the north. They remain stunted over the years and they don’t develop well.
            From the pictures one can say that they give beauty to the city of asmara. I hope addis introduces this plant to its streets as well, because it has a similar climate with asmara.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            In Addis Bougainvillea ( ቦጋንቪል በአማርኛ ) ለግንብ አጥር መሸፈኛነት ነው የሚያገለግለው::
            ቦጋንቪል ያልተከለ የማርያም ጠላት የተባለ ነው የሚመስለው:)

          • Selam Abi,
            Maybe there are two types of Bougainvillea, the tree type and the shrub type. The second type is usually planted against fences (to cover fences). They have similar flowers, and they are sensitive to the cold as well. I had in my mind the tree type. The shrub type on fences is indeed a common sight in addis and many other towns. Maybe Bougainvillea is of two types.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            It is the shrub type. It has different colors. Easy to grow, less maintenance and beautiful.

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            Click on the link to see what a beautiful flower Bougainvillea is. And then show me a fence in Addis adorned with it! Talk is cheap!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I clicked just in time to see the beautiful Asmara during the King and Derg times.
            Asmara used to be beautiful.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Aya Haile,
      Surprisingly, the flower’s in Sembel are purple.

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Abrehet,

        You got it! Purple to pinkish. You are unbeatable sis! You will have my promised choice of song on Friday.

        There was one photo of it in the gallery that Consolation linked this morning.

        ኣይትጥፍኢ

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abrehet & Awate people,

        Welcome Friday! I can deliver the winner’s gift to sis Abrehet. This is the flower of the Asmara/Senbel Plateau. I am not sure where exactly this was recorded, but that is the flower that dominates the Asmara plateau around September.

        https://youtu.be/r3YD6PKmwbw

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Brother Haile S.

          This was in perfect time and she (Abrehet) deserve it …. and you managed to change the mood of everyone in this day.

          Thank you Hailat..

          KS,,,

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,

          This is a good weekend treat that takes us back home to our young ages. When we were young, during the “pagume days” girls go to the nearby water falls early in the morning, to make the ritual bathing. The young boys hides behind rocks and thick trees, to watch the naked girls. This clip flashback to those days. Thank you for evoking our memory, you took me back to the village, I grew up.

          Regards

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            Good memory. I thought about the flowers when I saw Yemane G/Mesqels tweet on Meskerem. I saw the images of the yellow “adey abeba” flowers he attached and said to myself. This guy doesn’t know the color of the flowers that surround him. Promoting Eritrea is getting forgotten. There is too much talk about neighbors and their successes. Eritrea and its natural beauties are getting forgotten. With the presence of all the problems we are facing, talking something good and natural about Eritrea is getting considered as popaganda and at best misplaced. Those in power talk about it improperly and when they do for their own propaganda. Whereever and wheneever possible I like to talk about Eritrea.
            Thanks

          • Abi

            መምህር
            May be Yemane G/Mesqel didn’t want to discriminate between regions. As you said that the purple flowers are dominant around Asmara . He rightly put አደይ አበባ to avoid war between regions.
            Smart move!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡

            ግድ የለህም፡ ኣሥመራ ተቀምጦ፡ ስላዲስ ኣበባ ነው የሚያስበው ይሄ ሰውየ!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            መቼም አደይ አበባ ሁል ጊዜ አዲስ ስለሆነ ስለ አዲስ አበባ ማሰብ ግድ ይላል:: ተገቢም ነው::

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            አውነትም ኣዲስ ኣበባ ኣገር ታስረሳለች። ከጣልያን ጀምሮ፡ በሃይለሥላሴ ይሁን በደርግ፡ ኤርትራዊው ይሁን ትግሬው፡ ኣገሩን ጥሎ ዘንግቶ፡ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ሰፍሮ፡ ለፍቶ ሰርቶ፡ ጣመው ኣልጣመው፡ ቦለቲካው ጎን ኣስቀምጦ በመጠኑ ተመችቶት ይኖር ነበር። በመካከሉ ኣንድ ሞላጫ መሰል ዓይነ-ጠላት መጥቶ፡ ብቻውን የሚበላት መስሎት ለ20 ምናምን ዓመት ከገዛ በኋላ፡ ይሄውልዎ፡ ኤርትራዊው እንደጋና ወሯት፡ የትግርኛ ዘፈኑ ከዛ፡ ትያትሩ ከዛ፡ ወሬው ከዛ … እንደገና የዉሉንም ምንጭና ትዝና ሆነች፡ የነየማነ ሳይቀር።
            እንደገና ፍቅር እንደገና. .

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እውነት መስክረሃል ጌታው!
            “የትም ተወለድ አዲሳባ እደግ” ተብሎላታል ውዷ ሸገር :: አዱ ገነት!

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            Your ignorance about Eritrea is stark. Because, through many areas of Eritrea the meskerem flower is the yellow ገልገለ መስቀለ that is shown in the Yemane tweet. Sometime, a little modesty is necessary. Doesn’t it occur to you that Yemane may know a little better about Eritrea? In any case, yellow is the color of Meskerem. Mountains in Eritrea turn bright yellow in Meskerem and if Amanuel Hidrat was honest, he would have corrected you when he was remembering his youth. In any case, here is a video song that I am sure you will enjoy.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH1VbAivwRo

            Some pictures

            https://twitter.com/mebrak_g/status/1056489470118240262

            https://live.staticflickr.com/4894/46049793202_ee4e3fa9c4_b.jpg

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqlnhZzWoAIxXNU?format=jpg&name=large

            https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTBYU22LnvO0I5y-G01QwgMEbtO1JeukpGFVA&usqp=CAU

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            Read attentively before you react and accuse others. Stop biting everything that moves.

          • Consolation

            Haile,

            This is what you wrote and what I read,

            Good memory. I thought about the flowers when I saw Yemane G/Mesqels tweet on Meskerem. I saw the images of the yellow “adey abeba” flowers he attached and said to my to myself. This guy doesn’t know the color of the flowers that surround him. Promoting Eritrea is getting forgotten.

            You have no idea that what you call “adey abeba” and think is an Ethiopian flower also grows in abundance throughout Eritrea and is known as ገልገለ መስቀል and then had the audacity to criticize Yemane. And now, instead of admitting your ignorance and apologizing, you come back with this silly reply.

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            You are angry because, you didn’t know that there are yellow, purple and white similar flowers that come at this period. The whole Sembel plateau is dominated with that purplr flower. You also expect everything about Eritrea to come from the mouth of your PFDJ. Sorry to tell you that there are many Eritreans who know much more that those who sat at the helm for 30 years without advancing the country an inch compared to what it was decades back.

            Have you ever thought about your audacity coming here to criticise everyone disguised as a nameless defender of a regime member who didn’t even use the the ግልገለ himself. For your information ዓደይ is tigrigna too.

            Check my exchange with Ismail on the subject. I never considered the purple one growing everywhere in Eritrea.

            If anybody has to apologize, it is you who bites everything that moves.

          • Consolation

            Haile S,

            It was idiotic of you to try to sneak in your hatred of Shaebia by claiming that Yemane was showing an Ethiopian flower in his tweet. An now you are doubling down instead of admitting your blunder and being done with it.

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            You are angry bacause you didn’t know and your Yemane didn’t show it despite the whole Asmara and environ plateau is covered with it under his nose and didn’t include a single panel of it. Since you had no idea the other day answering to my question, you linked (removed) a desiderata of photos from google.

          • Consolation

            Haile,

            What is all this nonsense. You claimed that the flower he showed is Ethiopian. And it is not. Just admit it and stop floundering around. You went further and accused him of ignoring Eritrea and admiring Ethiopia. I know it is humiliating for a man who poses as a scholar to get caught flat-footed, but still the more you flounder the more you will scratch yourself. Again, in Eritrea the color of Kidus Yohannes and Meskel is yellow. If you don’t know that, then that is your proble,=m

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            Not knowing is not a sin. You didn’t know, now you know. You never find anything close to your insinuation in what I wrote. Yes, Yemane, ignored the color of the flower that dominates the plateau where the Capital is and tens of kilometers around. Yes, you didn’t know yourself thus you googled flower in attempting to answer my question which specified the Asmara/Sembel plateau. Yes PFDJ doesn’t doesn’t promote Eritrea. Examples abound. Yes I have a knack for color as you have a knack to paint negatively everyone who doesn’t admire PFDJ.

          • Consolation

            Haile,

            It is not not knowing that is the problem. It is your attempt to use the picture that Yemane displayed with his tweet for political purposes that got my attention. I read what you wrote in Amharic to Abi about this matter (it has been deleted since) and you were adamant that Yemane was more interested in Ethiopia and was ignoring Eritrea just because you believed, erroneously, that adey abeba isn’t an Eritrean flower. That is the crux of the matter. All your twisting and turning is not going to change the fact that you blundered. His choice of the gelgele meskel flower on a tweet about Kidus Yohannes was appropriate. It isn’t just the flowers around Asmara that he didn’t show, he didn’t show any of the hundreds of flowers that grow in Eritrea. So think before you fart.

            BTW, I googled about the flowers of Asmara in reply to a sarcastic comment by Abii, as you can go back and check the thread and not because I was looking for an answer to your question. I thought, wrongly as it turns out, that the answer was the gelgele meskel. But I wasn’t responding to your question.

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            The picture Yemane twitted is a manifestation of the state the PFDJ leaders are in. I don’t recall them twitting or writing about the Meskerem flowers before 2018. It is a la mode now.

            Yes he didn’t show hundrends of flowers in his twit. But mind you, hundrends of flowers don’t bloom in mass around meskerem in Asmara plateau like the flower we are talking about.

          • Consolation

            Haile s,

            I give up. You made a huge mistake and will dance like a ballerina to avoid admitting it. You can reply and have your last word if you like but there is no point in conversing with a broken record. But before I go, here is a nice video song Awde Amet. Some of the outside scenery shows the lush fields of gelgele meskel

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEPWw8b2Gz0

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,

            You remind me of those who want to break body parts of a whole population. You look like an exact copy. You want to glue me a mistake? Your PFDJ method is not going to work on me.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Consolation
            This is what I understood so far
            Haile has a knack for color,
            Consolation has a knack for painting.
            The challenge is how we can bring harmony between the two giants to beautify Awatenation for the upcoming holiday?

            Any suggestions welcome

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Aya Haile,
          Thank you. In the credits it thanks “neberti Adi Gua’E’dad and family in Adi Qe. So I am guessing the area is around there.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣብርሀት ሓውተይ፡

            ሓቅኺ፡ ኣብኡ እዩ ዝኸውን። ጐልጎል እዩ። ቅድሚ 12 ዓመት ከይደ ከለኹ፡ ሓደ ዘመድ፡ ተሰሪሖም ኣብ ጥቕሚ ዘይውዓሉ ናእሽቱ ፍብሪካታት፡ ድርጅታት ጎኒ ዓዲ ጓዕዳድ ኣዚሩኒ ነይሩ። ሓንቲ ዘይትርስዓኒ፡ ሕልፍ ኢልካ፡ ጎድኒ ዓዲ-ቀ ኣብ ጥቓ ጽርግያ እትርከብ ናይ ቆልዑ መዘናግዒ park ኣቲና ርኢናዮ፡ መሳርሒ መጻወቲ መሊኡ ነይሩ፡ ግና ሰብ ጥብ ዝብል ኣይነበረን። ከምታ ኣቦይ ዝብለን ዝነበረ፡ ቦርኮ ሚዘርያ፡ ፖቨሬቶ፡ ፋርኔንተ…. ዝነበራኒ ናይ ቁጥዓ ቃል ተላህየ ተመሊሰ እብለኪ።

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I guess when the brain is in trouble, nothing makes sense. I am not going to explain to you what is going on between the Killil tigray and the federal government It is getting ugly every day while TPLF are getting where it hurts. This money thing will end TPLF once for all. Now can someone tell me what Debretsion is sysing. i really mean it. what is he saying?

    “It is only people of Tigray who can decide on their fate”. So, it is entitled to act as a sovereign state. But cutting federal funds to Tigray would be “a declaration of war”.
    Dr. Debrestion.

    • Consolation

      Hi Nitricc,

      It is called identity crisis. They haven’t figured out if they are Ethiopians still or a sovereign country. They want to act as an independent entity, defy the federal government, hold illegal elections etc., and then turn back and consider any sanctions, such as termination of budgetary support, as a declaration of war. They need to be a taught a lesson and if push comes to shove Ethiopia should deal with this criminal gang as severely as possible, including devastating military attacks to bring them to their knees.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Consolation,

        It is so shocking to hear such excitement at the possibility of bloodshed. I hope your recommendation falls on deaf ears.

        In 1997-1998 was another time when such excitement of “currency” problems became the gateway for “blood” solutions. The thousands of souls of those young, beautiful, poor and innocent people still haunts those of us with human hearts. (That is more complicated)

        I don’t know and I can’t know, neither anybody else, where all this political and economic game would lead.
        I hope and I prey there are people with sufficient foresight on all sides to move with caution. It is easy to light a match and impossible to stop forest fires.
        Enemies of Ethiopia are on both sides, working for both sides interchangeably, excited and anxious to throw their Molotov Cocktail.

        In my opinion, time is on the Federal side. They will catch the individuals they are looking for in due time.
        If there is anytime an expert in conflict resolution is called for, it is now.

        Those who fan any smoke they come across for their own inexplicable purposes (in some cases against their own interest.) must and should be called Satanic. I am out of words.

        Mr. K.H

        • Consolation

          Selam KH,

          I said if push comes to shove which mean if everything else fails. But whatever happens, remember just as the 1998-2000 war between TPLF and Eritrea, the conflict between TPLF and the Federal government is largely a problem of psychology. Inferiority complex, as Prof. Asmerom said, is an incurable disease. So sooner or later, Tigrayans need to be cured of this destructive malady!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Consolation
            You are in trouble now.
            You called your boss of Adi-Halo and his top lieutenants [Kisha, Monkey, etc.] have inferiority complex?

          • Consolation

            Hello MM,

            That is very stupid. But then again, why should we be surprised!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Consolation
            Actually, it is clever. So, if you have the gut, answer it.
            Are those Eritrean born from Tigray family with Inferiority complex, since you have labeled them [the whole Tigray people] suffers from that?
            I am just trying to show you how wrong you are. You can’t label the whole ethnic as such because it it not true.

          • Consolation

            MM,

            It is a moronic statement becaue Prof. Asmerom who lives in Asmara said it a year ago and he is not in trouble. Get it!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Yeah right, Consol.
            Try it with your real name and visit Asmara and you will be called by your prison #, if you lucky that is.
            Now that you have agitated the so called ambasodors [wedi Gerahtu, Bruno, Beyene Ruusom, etc.] and some like Elias Amare, they will show you on your next visit to Eritrea.
            Unless, unless, you are one of them 🙂
            It is possible.

          • Aligaz G

            Consolation,

            Yohannes IV spoke Amharic because of three reasons 1) he was a member of the ruling class and had as much Amhara and perhaps Oromo ancestry as Tigrean 2) the entire governing apparatus of Ethiopia has since the 10th century functioned in Amharic 3) Tigrigna was not commonly written at the time and was not as developed or widely spoken as Amharic. Notice PMMZ also used Amharic in his “”Court”. Now the issue of inferiority complex which you raised should be answered. Yohannes did not suffer from any kind of inferiority complex towards Arabs (Turks), Sudanese, Europeans, Amharas, or Eritreans. I believe the same is true of PMMZ. In fact it is quite possible to accuse most Ethiopians of overconfidence and an undue sense of superiority which often tragically leads to a disastrous demise. cheers

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            You just dropped the consolation prize from the glass shelf. It is shattered into pieces. Now, I need a gorilla glue to put it together.
            I think ጀግናው አፄ ዮሐንስ used a stamp written in Arabic.
            ጉድ እኮ ነው ዘንድሮ የሚሰማው

          • Aligaz G

            Ras,

            And the EOC used to communicate with Alexandria in Arabic and write religious and secular history in Arabic. It is what it is bro but people like to believe their own propaganda. Never use if you are selling

          • Consolation

            Aligaz,

            The question is why did he use an Arabic stamp? You don’t seem to have an answer. About the EOC, this is what Wikipedia says

            he Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church had been administratively part of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria from the first half of the 4th century until 1959, when it was granted autocephaly with its own patriarch by Saint Pope Cyril VI of Alexandria, Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.

            Thus it was natural if it used Arabic for communication. If the Ethiopian priests had to go to Egypt to be promoted to be a bishop, then they certainly needed to learn Arabic.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aligaz; I think you are wrong but right now, right here if you go to DW or Tigray TV, they broadcast in Amharic, Why? They hate Amara, they dislike anything about Ethiopia, except her resources. But in the middle of this they are broadcasting in Amharic? why? because that the perfect inferior complexity. You can spin it all you want but everything they do explains their psychology and what they are.

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            They broadcast in Amharic because TPLF v 2.0 doesn’t speak Tigrigna?

          • Consolation

            Selam Aligaz G.,

            You make it seem as if Yohannes had a court at the Versailles. The man was living in a village called Mekele surrounded by Tigrayas and commanding a Tigrayan rag-tag army. Comparing him to Abiy, a Prime Minister of a modern state, is really ridiculous. He could have used Tigrigna in his court without anyone noticing. But even in the 1970s, before the TPLF was taught to speak and write in Tigrigna by Shaebia, Meles Zenawi and all educated Tigrayans wrote letters to their illiterate parents in Amharic. It was a revelation for them that Tigrigna could be transcribed and read! Moreover, although they were in absolute control of Ethiopia for 27 years, they felt so ashamed of their language that they did little to develop it. Today, most Tigrayans, even the most educated, cannot speak or write grammatically correct Tigrigna.

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            Yohannes also.has a palace in debretabor gonder and dead fighting in gonder , he defeated all ur masters italia, egypt and Turkey. He is by far one of the glamorous emperor of his time.

          • Consolation

            TA,

            Can you show me a picture of his palace in Debre Tabor! Yohannes was a Tigrayan who used Amharic as his official language because he was subservient to the Amhara culture! That is the point of discussion!

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            Emperor yohannes was tge emperor of ethiopia, not just tigrai.
            No can’t show it to u , i don’t have a picture .

          • Consolation

            TA,

            I know that he was the Emperor of Ethiopia. The question is why didn’t he use his own language as his official language instead of Amharic? This is not nuclear physics, it it a simple question. He became emperor not because his father was one, but because he vanquished the competition. No one would have stopped him from making Tigrigna the official language. If he could go the Gojjam, defeat their king, pluck his eyes out, and massacre tens of thousands of their people, what possible earthly reason could there be for not making his language the defacto language of the court, other than his cultural inferiority complex!

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            Because amharic was gov language since 10 century, because amharic considered not just amhara language but the rest of ethiopia speaks it too,

          • Consolation

            TA,

            I give up, I thought I was communicating with a human; but I have found out that it is a broken record at the other end!

          • Teodros Alem

            cons
            The point is u guys r inferior animals, because of slavery , that why all the insult.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            Be serious at least sometimes .
            The National language remains the same . It doesn’t change with the ethnicity of the ruler.

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            Who would have stopped him? He became emperor by force. I mean, it wasn’t a legal succession. There was no constitution that Amharic be the official language. Abyssinia was a brutal jungle where the winner took all and since he won, why didn’t he go all the way? That is the question. Throughout history, those who won by force imposed their own system. It was only in the case of a Tigrayan King, who was crowned in Axum, that the language of the vanquished remained to be the official language. If you don’t see the absurdity of the situation, then there is no point in continuing this conversation!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            ጀግናዉ ዓፄ ዮሐንስ የኢትዮጵያ እንጂ የትግራይ ንጉሥ አልነበሩም:: አንተ እንደምትመኘው ከጠባብ ብሄረተኛነት የፀዱ የኢትዮጵያ መሪ ነበሩ::
            ምነው ግራ ገባህ? ለስንት ቁምነገር የታጨህ ምሁር ይህ ጉዳይ መከራህን አሳየህሳ ጃል!

          • Haile S.

            Selamat ጀታው,

            Amharic is the language of the court (the crown) since centuries. It continued to be following the coming of Michael Sehul and every tigryan who administered the region whether powerful or weak pretended to be the continuity of the kingdom and the king. Changing the court’s language was tantamonous to undercutting their very claim. The language was the powerful manifestation of “the king”. Nothing else. The use of capital city and Royal Palace was not well established eventhough Gonder served for a couple centuries. Amharic was the capital city, the crown, the palace and the legitimacy that was grabed simply without inheritance and blood. Everything comes after. Suffice to bring an astute debtera to link the bloodline until King Solomon of Jerusalem. Regional nobilities including from highland Eritrea communicated in Amharic eventhough regionaly they administred using their regional languages, which was the case with the use of local tradtional laws in several regions of highland Eritrea.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Haile S.

            Regional nobilities including from highland Eritrea communicated in Amharic eventhough regionaly they administred using their regional languages, which was the case with the use of local traditional laws in several regions of highland Eritrea.

            Leaving the issue of Yohannes and Amharic aside, I want to ask specifically related to highland Eritrea.

            1) Do you think, highland Eritrea was part of this “court” or did it use “amharic” as it’s official language?

            2) Did Tigray had similar “local traditional laws” as was the case in Eritrea.

            3) Kigre Negist / Fithe Negest which was the book that documents that guided Ethiopian kings and gave them legitimacy. Was those document really had similar significance in highland Eritrea? In other words, did we really care as much?

            I am asking this because I want to understand from cultural link / separation point of view, if highland Eritrea (north of the boarder) acted and behaved as (south of the boarder). In other words, we were one people does hold water (off course until Yohannes / Alula times) who were occupiers for a lack of better words, in my opinion, no different than the Egyptians, Turks and the Italians.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            I will come later more in details, but: for the first 2 questions:

            1) No for both court and language
            2) I don’t know. I never came across when reading Abyssinian history or the variouus travellers. Yohannes IV writing a letter asking Feteha Negest book to be returned to Ethiopia aming the various books taken by the british following their storming of Meqdela is well documented.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            I just finished reading liver Negest for the umpteenth time and a list of references. Yohannes said, Without the book my people will not obey me….
            He was dying to get the book and people get irritated when I say the Abyssinia was always a theocracy. 🙂

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Unexpectedly great questions!
            You stayed local ( except you traveled to North Africa and Europe), on topic ( unusually focused), on budget ( unusually short) !
            Boom! Boom! Boom!

            I knew you could do it!

          • Haile S.

            Selam again Berhe,

            I am writing from memory. I don’t have time to refer to books to check when something started and other infos. Just few things using bullet points:

            – There was constant but loose relationship between the Mereb Mlash and the kings of Ethiopia, not as much as that of Tigray.

            – Getting nominated by the king as Bahr Negash or Kentiba and others was a great thing for the regional administrators. People use to go to Gonder to get that. When they get, they came back with certain sign of the nomination, piece of cloth or something like that and they have to celebrate by inviting everyone. That was how their titles were accepted and respected. If it was memorable reception, people will talk about it for generations. Follow up relationships and communication (other than commercial, if any) are when wars are declared. There are few examples of some Bahr Negashs participating in such wars but was not as much as that of the Tigray nobility who naturally are closer and are parts of the targets of the wars.

            – This calm relationship between Gonder and Baher Negash changed after the coming to power of Michael Suhul and the generation of Tigray lords that followed him.

            – Because of the frequents wars, Tigryan were war-hardened and had more arms. Tax collection and forcing their authority on their northern kins became more and frequent and everything that we we complain about now developed.

            – Authority was generally highly respected in Abyssinia. Mereb Mlash people were very respectful of Authority. I don’t recall reading of any authority coming to invade Mereb Mlash from Gonder, but the authority was respected.

            – In Abyssinia, either you live peacefully respecting and fearing authority or you rebel (ሽፍታ) and you try to become authority. Many of the kings became kings in this way.

            – Foreigners were the notorious abusers of this authority. Since centuries there was this law nobody know who instituted it that says “a foreigners who enters Abyssinia (usually from the sea through Massawa) and who visits the king shall be fed and taken care at the expense of every village and accompanied on the way safely at the risk of severe punishment. People respected to the letter. Every europeen who visited Abyssinia knew this law and abused it to the max.

            Berhe, I hope you can gather some reponses from the things I said above.
            Best

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile S.,

            My knowledge of Abisinia history is zero. I have to use the excuse, “ lomi, SubaH kiweSu elna abey astebhilnalu”. My father use to have a large book in Amharic that says “yEityopia Tarik: ketedros eske haile Selassie”, in Amharic. I start reading but never read the whole thing.

            Thank you but there is so much that I don’t know much about. For example, I know about Suhul who was with weyane but I didn’t know about this Michael Suhul guy.

            What you said here really surprised me but at the same time, I see the same parallel.

            Authority was generally highly respected in Abyssinia. Mereb Mlash people were very respectful of Authority. I don’t recall reading of any authority coming to invade Mereb Mlash from Gonder, but the authority was respected. .

            I still think sometimes we bend backwards to accommodate in the name of respecting them but they show us nothing in return.

            May be they got used to it, and they know they can do it again, may be the reason they never bother to honour any agreement they

            Berhe

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            እንዲህ ነው እንጂ ሊቀሊቃውንት !!!
            የቦጋንቪል ዝንጣፊ ይዤ እጅ እስከምነሳ ክብርና ምስጋና ለእርዎ እመኛለሁ::

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            What was the language of the Agew kings like Lalibela? Of the Axumite kings? When did Amharic become the language of the court? The Amharas defeated the Agew and gradually imposed their language and culture and fake history of Solomonic dynasty. That is what winners do. Yohannes did not do what winners do because he believed his language and culture to be inferior to that of Amharas. I would rather go with what Prof. Asmerom, a noted scholar said, than someone whose credentials I don’t know. I also know that Abyssinian kings came to Axum to be crowned. Yohannes could have used his power to impose himself had the idea came to his mind. But the idea did not come to his mind just like the idea of writing their letters in TIigrigna did not come to people like Meles until they saw Eritreans doing it.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            I don’t think you read what I wrote. Michael Suhul (MS) worked closely with the Gondarian crown before he seized power himself there in Gonder. Tigryan nobility before him worked closely with Gondar. The tigre-Mokonen administering Tigray (MS was one) were familiar with Amharic. There was no reason to change including for Yohannes.
            Don’t worry, I am not comparing myself with Professor Asmerom. How can I? History is a hobby for me. He is a monumental personality. But it doesn’t mean whatever he says is the word of God. The reason he has been criticized was because of his stature, because he said things that is not expected from him. A person like him should remain exemplary. He has to bury his anger and talk reason.
            I am not asking you to believe what I say.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You can’t expect decency and humility from the political house of PFDJ. None at all. It is only anger on the one hand and self aggrandizement on the other.

          • Aligaz G

            Consolation,

            As much a we are all unhappy with TPLF, let’s not get carried away with bashing Tigreans. BTW Isu also has a lot of Amhara ancestry from Tembien. But then maybe you are getting carried away with the make believe banda history fed to you by your colonial masters to satisfy their own inferiority complex.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay,

            If any person described an entire society with “inferiority complex” that person is not a normal to deal with. I hope the Tigrain who participate in this forum will see him as an aberration from sick Eritrean personality. I am not worried on the ghost individual, but to hear saying from one who called himself an educated with a Phd, is mind boggling. This is not an Eritrean character absolutely.

            Regard

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Prof. Emma
            I couldn’t agree more!

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            Societies and nations have values and national character.It does not mean it applies to each and every individual. One may, for example, say that the USA is a rich country. But that doesn’t mean there are no destitute people in the USA. This is so well understood that it boggles the mind that one who is addressed as a professor should use it as a rode in his argument.

            Now, when the Tigrayans fought a war against Eritrea and leaders such as Gebru Asrat and Sebhat Nega use complained that the main reason for the war was because Eritreans look down on Tigrayans, then certainly, we are justified to point out that they suffer inferiority complex. I can give you many examples of this debilitating malady. When their Emperor feels so inferior as to use Amharic in his court, what do you think the typical Tigrayan feels? In fact, the extreme hatered Tigrayans (most of them) evince towards the Amharas is precisely because they feel inferior to them. Eritreans, although we fought a bitter war against Ethiopia under Amhara rule, do not feel such hatred towards the Amhara because we don’t feel inferior to them. Tigryans hate Eritreans and would love to break our back because they feel inferior towards us. Siye Abraha revealed (before his divorce with Meles) that the happiest day of his life was when he heard the news that his forces broke the Eritean defensec in may 2000. Which speaks volumes about Tigrayan inferiority. If that is how he, from his exalted position feels, then I can imagine how the average Tigrayan feels.

            One more thing, when you were serving them, you were giving them a great deal of psychological satisfaction because for the frst time in their lives they had Eritreans servants. I am certain they had the greatest contempt for you.

          • Nitricc

            Federal government is ending up to a problem of psychology. Inferiority complex, as Prof. Asmerom said, is an incurable disease. So sooner or later, Tigrayans need to be cured of this destructive malady!

            Hi Conso; I don’t see the end to this. PMAA is too weak to deal with their psychology. So, far the only person who not figure them out but dealt successfully is PIA. He knows them. If you ask me, the best for Ethiopia and for the federal deal with this people now, if not they will bring the whole country down. The real problem is PMAA is weakest link. He is no a leader that get you out of conflicts and confrontations.

          • Consolation

            Selam Nitricc,

            Abiy, for his own reasons, has chosen the slow and peaceful way of dealing with the thugs. His latest move of changing the currency notes will have some effect. But the danger he faces is that these thugs have no scruples and will do whatever it takes. The latest news that they have been back-dealing with Egypt is a case in point. He should now act as fast as possible. Possible peaceful actions are cutting off the buget support, cutting off oil supply, switching off the electric grid. Since this is a war of psychology, he has to strip them of all respectability and treat them with contempt. The more he does that, the more they lose face with their own people. He should use all of his advantages without respite. And that way, he may succeed to get rid of them without firing a shot. But they need to be humbled at all cost; Otherwise they will be a thorn for the region.

        • Sultan

          Selam Kim:
          I have NEVER EVER heard you uttering a single word against the non stop military adventurism and destabilizing efforts and crimes by the TPLF against Somalia and Eritrea and their respective peoples!
          U prob were cheering these SATANIC acts!
          “ Ye Godda birressa Yetegodda ayressam”…aydelem endie yemitilut?

          • Dongolo

            Selam Sultan. Problem is that many here dare not utter a single word against the TPLF but yet will go on an emotional diatribe against those that criticize the TPLF.

        • Dongolo

          Selam Kim Hanna. The answer is clear: TPLF simply needs to withdraw from Eritrean land that it illegally occupies. But with all your emotional tactics, you don’t wish to talk about that do you? You don’t wish to talk about how easily peaceful relations between Tigray and Eritrea, which could be of immense benefit to economically disadvantaged populations on both sides of the border, could easily materialize should the TPLF quit using Badme as a political bargaining chip. Please take your fake tears elsewhere.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Allow me to address together your response to my comment with this one. Let me start with the above comment. I consider you from those who knows and understand “due process.” When two countries enter in to an agreement that is already internationalized, there are always mechanisms to implement the ruling of the agreement. If you Agee with me, how does Ethiopia withdraw without the mechanism of the agreement in place. Why you react like illiterates who do not know the the ruling of the arbitration court and its mechanism of applications? The call for Wayane to leave our land is not the right call. The call should be: the government of Eritrea and the Federal Government of Ethiopia should demarcate the border, right away once they accept the ruling of EEBC.

            Second if you are aware that both leader’s priority is the stability of Ethiopia than to resolve the border issue, where is your intellectual understanding to ask the wayane to leave our land while the Federal army is occupying our land. Just think about it and be rational how to handle the border issue.

            Now, back to your response to my comment: you criticized me of criticizing the Eritrean government in front of the wayane supporters in this forum. When a government has committed a crime recklessly of epic proportions, that costed tens of thousand of Eritrean lives in the border war he initiated, my mission since that devastating war was and is to expose the Eritrean government day and night. More than myself, the international court found it as the culprit of the border conflict with Ethiopia. What do you want me to hide for something the international communities already knows it. The prime enemy of Eritrea and Eritrean people is Issayas and his lieutenants. Focus to our prime enemy inside Eritrea to unite Eritreans. Then our issue with the Ethiopian Government is manageable by the Eritrean people.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Correction: I did not criticize you for criticizing the Eritrean Government in front of woyane supporters, as for all intent and purposes, you are woyane (totally indistinguishable in walk, talk & form). Any first time visitor to this forum would immediately peg you as a TPLF hardliner or digital woyane. Again, nothing prevents the TPLF from simply withdrawing from Eritrean land that it illegally occupies. You can play all the word games you wish in regards to justifying the TPLF’s refusal to abide by the EEBC ruling; all this does is just continue to destroy the Eritrean opposition credibility. You can resume with your ‘Focus on the prime enemy inside of Eritrean to unite the Eritrean people’ by relentlessly attacking PMAA and promoting and defending the TPLF (horrendous hypocrisy). In the end, what does all your legerdemain really mean, as you have been 40+ years in the USA and will not set foot in Eritrea again. Simply sad.

    • Desbele

      Hi Nitricc, Consolation,

      It seems you mistake this forum for Aiga Forum.
      Italian school is closed in Eritrea after 117yrs of service. Its not TPLF. It is DIA.
      Your take?

      • Consolation

        Selam Desbele,

        It is of little significance except to people like you. But the tussle going on between Tigray and the Federal government is a momentous affair that involves the lives of millions of people. If you can’t see that, then this forum is not for you.

        • Desbele

          Selam Consolation,
          DIA’s infringement and assault on Jehova Witness in early 90s was ‘insignificant’ for the likes of you. Then it continues on the moslems mostly in Keren. Then the Protestants and then the Orthodox church and its Patriarch. It at last culminated in gross crime against humanity on the people of Eritrea-MILLIONS. No matter how large a flag you wave or how loud you shout ‘TPLF’, the crimes are there for everyone to see and continuing to impact millions of Eritreans lives. Time for you to stop distraction and focus on Eritrea.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Hi Desbele,
        About 2 thousands of Kuazien villagers got arrested in about 10 days ago as well. Do you think these guys care?

      • Nitricc

        Italian school is closed in Eritrea after 117yrs of service

        Desbele; the question why was the school stile in Eritrea should have been the real point. It should have been gone right after Italian left. But latter than never is okay. I am happy the school is gone.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; the other day PMAA said that TPLF’s brain is dried and once their packet is also drys, that will be the end of TPLF. Well, although a year late, now it seems Ethiopia is changing her currency. This means TPLF is financially will get hit. This should have happened a year ago but i guess, at least PMAA found some balls to face up his old bosses.

    • Nitricc

      Hi All; i am not financial expert but if you are out there Ethiopians and Eritrean who have families, this the good time to send dollars to your family. TPLF thugs and corrupted people who collected money illegal will dumb Ethiopian birr like a garbage. They will do everything to get a dollar. Interesting times for the thugs. the police and the army are ordered that if they find illegal money they can keep. That is brilliant strategy. They will search you like a mother. lol

      • Consolation

        Hi Nitro,

        Some time back, legislation was enacted that limited the amount of cash that an individual can possess to 1.5 million birr. Any amount above that had to be deposited in a bank. Now they are saying any amount in excess of 1.5M will be confiscated. A brilliant piece of coordinated attack!

        • Abi

          Consolation and General
          “Finders keepers” makes the deal even sweeter.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Conso; what if i have 10 mill in bank? I mean is the 1.5 mill is applied to people bring the money for exchange? it must be.

          • Abi

            General
            Whatever amount you already have in the bank is automatically exchanged.

          • Nitricc

            Thanks Abiy, that makes sense. Do you know what surprised me most; the salience of the thugs and their mouth-pieces. They didn’t know what it hit them. I love it. Now the thugs will be forced to share their stolen money with poor tigryans. They have to exchange it some how.

  • Abi

    Hello All
    According to Professor መረሳ ፀሃዬ
    —Total population of Tigray is around 6,000,000
    —Registered to vote was 2,700,000
    — Tplf got only 10,000,000 votes

    As you all know I was very hesitant to congratulate the persons representing Tplf at Awatenation. I was confused when these gallant Tplf heroes high-fiving each other. I was wrong. Please accept my heartfelt apology.

    Tplf deserves all credits and appreciation for squeegeeing 10 million votes from 2.7 million registered voters.
    Tigray Got Talent!!!!!!!
    You can vote up to ten times for each contestant. The Gold Buzzer goes to TPLF for the unmatched talent in body elasticity coupled with magic.
    Again, congratulations!!!

    • Nitricc

      Hi Abiy; That is the same thing I asked you last Friday. Anyway; this thing it doesn’t only apply to Tigryans. I was so troubled by this deception, On the weekend, I posted a test, a test of credibility and a test of the great African mentality and I was shocked by the responses I have observed. They say, it doesn’t matter how it happens as long as there an election. This sickens and stupidity in one. Unless one is genetically with deceptive genes, it is unacceptable to any normal human being with a reasonable mind. The reason I respect PIA very much is, he could have had implemented a constitution that he can shred anytime he wanted. He could have an election he can rigged to the bone and stay in power for ever, instead he respected his people, he refused to deceit and pretense to his own people. PIA should have all the respect in every reasonable citizen but Africans with African mentality, their mind is toned to dishonesty, trickery and duplicity. If not, how do you congratulate for an election that won by ten million while the whole population is nearly seven million at its best? How? But the freaking African mentality not only believed it but some called it “impressive” some sent their coregulations and some were envy of this the most ridicules election. For me, I rather have no election for life than fake election. Those people who are envy or happy with the TPLF election, they have no morals, no dignity and self-worth. They will be happy to have a wife who she goes around and sleep with others, but they are happy because they got wife. That is the only way I can compare it with. Fake is fake, wrong is wrong, deceit is deceit, what kind of mentality can accept and normalize this? You guessed it, the great African mentality. SAD.

      • Abi

        General
        Please be sympathetic for the distressed people here. They are losing sleep and their money at the same time.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Nitricc and (Traslate for Abi),

        Please go to meskerem dot net and listen to Tegadaly Mahmod Saleh video on the topic.

        Let’s see what you make out of what he says.

        Berhe

        • Teodros Alem

          berhe
          Pay attention berhe, mahmod changed his mind after jawar arrasted., read what he has said before jawar and after.
          mahmod was strong supporter of G7 when they were in eritrea desert and after 3A when G7 go back to ethiopia and welcomed by huge supporter and praised by 3A , mahmod was not happy and clearly said derg/hs remnant should not be welcome as such,
          i think things did not go as he thought will go.
          U can read his mind there.

    • Consolation

      Semam Abi,

      Refer to my tête-à-tête with Amanuel Hidrat on this somewhere in this thread! The thugs wanted to be smart and wanted to experiment with some recent ideas on proportional representation. There is this notion that one voter one ballot is not democratic because a voter may support this party on 60% of the issues and that party on 40%. Forcing on a voter a binary choice may not reflect his disposition. Thus, the idea is that a voter should be able to parcel his vote in whatever ratio to the different parties, say 32% to party A, 55% to B and the rest to C. So the Weyane allotted 4 ballots to each voter. That is why you have over 10,000,000 ballots cast for the TPLF. And the election commissars then divided this number by 4 to get the number of people who voted for each party resulting in the ridiculous situation that xx,xxx.75 people voted for one of the parties. But as if this innovation was not enough, they also had two kinds of seats, individually contested seats (152) and party contested seats (38). The TPLF won all the 152 seats. The second type of seats will be divided among the parties according to the popular vote. But since the TPLF has won 98.2% of the popular vote it will get all but one of the 38 seats. But this is creating a head-ache for them because it would mean they would have won all the seats. The alternative of offering seats to parties is even more ridiculous. So they are stuck.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Consolation,

        The US 50 states send two “senators” each to central government in Washington, irrespective their size of population. They call it “US democracy” as oppose for instance to Great Britain, Germany democratic election. That tells you there is no one way of description how to conduct democratic process. Now see your argument that does not hold water of being one description, whatever that description is. But…but, since you are from an entity that does not believe on democracy and elections, you are not in a position to give your view about the various processes of democracies and elections. But for the sake of argument, if the Tigray parties agreed on the process you are talking about, it is democratic for the “parties” and by extension to the entire “Tigray people.” The parties are the representative of the Tigray people affirmed by their votes. How about that? Why is this all shedding tears on the election of Tigray?

        Regards

        • Consolation

          AH,

          I am not giving my views. I am telling you what they did and why they did it. It is not my fault if the experiment failed.

          Because the founding states were of unequal size, the founding fathers of the US created the senate to balance the power between smaller and larger states. There are a lot of glaringly undemocratic outcomes in elections in the USA like winning the popular vote (Hillary Clinton) and losing the election. That again is a quirk due to unequal electoral weights allocated to the different states.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Consolation,

            First greeting is part of the etiquette of this forum. Second, you are not only informing about the election process, but your also criticizing the election process, and hence my argument with you to show you that there different democratic process. Don’t swing right and left when you argue with me. አጽንዕ ዕርፊ::

            Regards

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            I explained to everyone here what the process was because there is a confusion about it. You, for exmple, were not aware of it. Now, it is obvious that the process was flawed. There are videos circulating in facebook that show soldiers treating the voters as cattle. and the result in which the TPLF thugs got 189 of the 190 seats speaks for itself. The ideas of proportional representation that they tried to experiment with can only work in truly democratic environments. In their case, they have created more confusion among their own people. They were too clever by half which is an idiom that according to google means “shrewd but flawed by overthinking or excessive complexity, with a resulting tendency to be unreliable or unsuccessful.” In other words, they shot themselves in the foot.

            Your are constantly on the look-out to defend these kleptocrats; That is not doing you any good. Have a little self-respect and refrain from knee-jerk reactions.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            You are really a tireless debater with enviable, steeled will and ever-flowing fountain of stamina.
            By the way, have you had chance to listen to our good brother, and honorable debater, Mahmud Saleh’s audio speech at Menkerem.net? It was so noteworthy that I asked for forgiveness to comment on it at the main entry of this thread. Among other basic matters he had discussed with remarkable courage was admonishing some hot-headed trumpeteers of the regime that it is about time that they grow up a bit, and try to put some sense in to their heads. I am sure some of the sober loyalists, who use the space of this forum, where taken by surprise by Mahmud’s audio talk and took good note.
            I anticipated some loyalist vigilantes to respond with the usual conduct but suprisingly they didn’t. It appears the square is shrinking inwards with the supremo at its center and gazing on all cracking four corners.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላማት እስማዒል፡

            ንስኻ’ውን ዝተደጎለ ምቑርቛስ ተማሂርካ ካብዞም ነግራማትና! ክልተ ሰለስተ ጊዜ ተዃዂየያ ነይረ እዛ ሓዊ፡ ኡፍ ዝብላ ድ’ኣ ኣየረኸበትን እምበር:-) :-)።

            ማሕሙድ ንኤርትራ ከይዱስ፡ ብትግራይ መጺኡ ኢለ ገሪሙኒ፡ ወ – ጹ – ብ ! ክብል እዘን ከናፍረይ ንጎድኒ ተጣሚመንት ተሪፈን እብለካ። ኣብ ቃንዛ እየ ዘለኹ።

            መድሃኒትና ብኣፍና ንውሓጦ ደጋጊምና እንዳበልና፡ ከም ሱፖዚቶሪ ብታሕቲ እንዳመጸ ኣሸጊሩና።

          • Ismail AA

            ሰላም ሃይለ ሓወይ፣
            ከመይ ቀኒካ። እንታይ ክንገብር ኢልካና፥ ቀደም ሓውና ማሕሙድ ኣብዚ ፎሪዩም ከማዕርገና ከሎ እዞም ዝጠቀካዮም ክልተ ሰለስተ ብዙሕ የሰክፉና ኣይነበሩን። ማሕሙድ ምስ ጠፋአና ግን እንታይኮን ተሪኺቡ ኢልና ሻቅሎት ገይሩልና ነይሩ። ትማሊ ግን ከምቲ ኩሉ ግዜ ዝገብሮ እንታይኮን ኣሎ ኣብ መሰከረም ዶት ነት ኢለ ቅልቅል ምስ በልኩ ሓው ማሕሙድ ጎፍ ኢሉኒ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ናይ ግሳጼ ሓለንጊ’ውን ሒዙ ከም ዝመጸ ርእየ። ወረ ዘይበጽሖ ኣይሰኣንን’ዩ ኢለ ናባኩም ኣብዚ ገዛ ሕዘዮ መጺአ ይብለካ። ግዜ ንባዕሉ ክብል ይቅየር’ዩ ሃይለ።

          • Haile S.

            እስማዒል ሓወይ፡

            እቲ ለኸፋ፡ ኣመል ምስ መግነዝ ኮይኑኒ እምበር፡ ሓቕኻ ጽቡቕ ገበርካ ናይ ማሕሙድ ዘረበ ናብዚ ምምጻእካ። ከምቲ ዝበልካዮ፡ ክንደይ ፈኸራን ስቅያትን ከምዝተቐበለ ካብ ገጹን ኣዘራርብኡን ይፍለጥ። ካብኡ ንላዕሊ እውን ናይ ሃገርና ነገር ኣሕዚንዎ፡ ናይ ልቡ ተዛሪቡ።
            ኣይትሓዘለይ እምበር፡ ኣነ እኳ እታ ዌብሳይትን ናይ ቀረባ ጊዜ ኣዝማዳን መነገዲ ገይሮሞ ብሃላይ እየ። ናብዚ እንተዝመጽእ ጽቡቕ ነይሩ። ዘይ እቶም ዝፈልጠና ሰይጣውን ኢና! 🙂 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            I just finished listening to it. Wow! a complete U-turn. I really welcomed him with a big smile. I did spoke to him on telephone one week ago. I will call him tonight. Certainly, I felt his communication as if it is coming from my close compatriot to quench my political urge for a Democratic Eritrea.

            Actually, when I listened his clip, I remembered Dongolo, Consolation, Semere Tesfay, and I say, this speech must be given as a special class to them. The election in Tigray has to do a lot to come out with this kind of message. ዘይቀንእ አይወለድ::

            Regards

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Prof. Emma,
            I second to your comment! Kudos to MS!
            ናይ ለባማት ዘረባ!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Dear MM

            This gentle man is really wonderful..Every time I read his comments I am really getting energy and jump to say something..I am really on bed reading and enjoying the comments..This great this awate university is doing it right,,It is like heaven for me..

            You are also doing fine. Keep it up..I am happy in general..with all and what would happen if friends like Abi are not participating? we couldn’t proceed at all.. I love all the way to EPLF tugs and all very-nice..

            “ዘይቀንእ አይወለድ::”

            KS,,

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismail, Emma, MM and others ,

            I third your comment. I felt he was speaking all that I was thinking.

            This must be the biggest shock to the PFDJ / IA land..in a while.

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever in criticizing the PIA/PFDJ Government but not in front of a group of TPLF servants. Why do you think it is that MS has vacated this room?

          • Sultan

            Selam Usataz Ismael:
            I understand and appreciate your civility and respect ….
            A debate with out honesty and while deliberately ignoring and twisting facts and in a partisan way is but hypocrisy.
            I know politicians do that but some decency, integrity and balancing things …, please!

            -Cursing Dr AAA for signing a peace deal with IA by fully accepting the verdicts and agreements but keeping quite , worse, supporting the anti Peace entity when the TPLF declared the verdicts and agreements void and nil and reiterated Ly provoked Eritrea for 20 yrs besides doing its best to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans on a day light.. …
            -Calling PMMZ a Visionary Leader, who almost destroyed Eritrea and set up Ethiopia to be where it is now and yet accusing Dr AAA for trying to unify and reconcile the fragile and polarized nation
            -Demonizing Dr AAA for introducing a new currency to achieve what Dr Horizon listed besides fighting corruption….
            Etc…..

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Sultan,

            Thank you. The respect is sincerely reciprocated.

            Further, I fully subscribe to your point about honesty and intellectual as well as moral integrity in debating issues in this forum. However, I have not detected any violations of such basics on the part of our good brother, Aman, if I understood your comment properly. It is just hard to measure entitlement to expressing opinion on some issue as “hypocrisy” just because we happen to disagree. Politicians, or others for that matter, should not actually have free margins to transgress limits of decency and acting from moral high ground if they want to win respect for what the say and do. Vulgarity and arrogance are key elements that fail politicians and opinion makers.

            Having stated that, nonetheless, I did not read in Aman’s views “cursing” Dr. Abij for endorsing the Hague Tibunal ruling. For sure, he had strong opinion, as I do, about his alliance with the despot. The short route should have been ordering withdrawal of the federal troops occupying our land before dealing with relations with Eritrea. At that point we would have known whether the Tigrai regional government is the power thwarting peace and normalization of relations.

            What made those of us who changed attitudes towards Dr. Abij, despite early support for him when he appeared on the stage of his country’s political stage, was when he infamously and opportunistically rode on the whims and interests of the despot and ignored what he had accepted. Besides, I have not yet seen where and when “the TPLF declared the verdicts and agreements (!) void and nil”. If there are evidences, I would to love to see them.

            About Aman’s view on the vision of the late Meles Zenawi, I think it is within his personal right to rate him as he sees and understands. On my part, I say in fact Meles saved our country after the debacle we suffered in the border war by agreeing to the late President Boutifliqa’s good offices intervention, when others in authority wanted him to walk along the routes from Barentu to Agordat and Keren in the western flank, Senafe to Segeneiti in the South and Mai Ayni Adi Quala in south and meet in Asmara. Note that I used the verb “walk” because after Shiraro and Zalambesa the outcome the war was settled, which our despot fully understood and accepted much, much and much less than what he had refused before. Had Meles not refused what Siye and company asked him to do at that time, you and me would, in retrospec, be talking today about totally different things.

            Lastly, dear Sultan, about the novel issue of de-monitizing the currency, I do really read that much politics into it. This has been actually reflection of the state of the economy rather the enduring political skirmishes going on in the country due to prolonged instability rocking the nation. I do not think this will be more severe headache to the government in Mekele than to the one in Bahr Dar.

          • Sultan

            Selam Ismael:

            Thanks for your feedback and opinion.
            No need to define for you a” Visionary Leader”, hypocrisy or honesty,Integrity and Decency.
            I stated the following facts,not my opinion or perception.:

            1)”Cursing Dr AAA and calling him the enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans for signing a peace deal with Eritrea/IA and removing the more than 20 yrs old gloomy clouds over Eritrea by fully accepting the verdicts and agreements; but keeping quite , worse, supporting the anti Peace entity,the TPLF, when the TPLF declared the verdicts and agreements void and nil and for repeatedly provoking Eritrea for 20 yrs besides doing its best to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans on a day light by all means possible”.

            Ya Ustazna:
            This is beyond Dishonesty,Hypocrisy,’Dis-Integrity” and beyond COMPLICIT….

            2)Calling PMMZ a Visionary Leader, who almost destroyed Eritrea,Somalia and set up Ethiopia to be where it is now in the name of Fake Federalism when it was in fact to keep the nation and its people DIVIDED and polarized and only to explode when the right time came up and yet accusing and demonizing Dr AAA for trying to unify and reconcile the fragile and polarized nation,by none but the same Visionary Leaders,the TPLF”.
            Ya Ammna:
            Here you see both dishonesty and hypocrisy at their BEST.

            C)Demonizing Dr AAA for introducing a new currency to achieve what Dr Horizon listed besides fighting corruption….but at the same time keeping quite and supporting and admiring fully when the same TPLF Junta had been embezzling more than $40 Billion besides controlling almost 100 % of the Ethiopian Economy from kiosks all the way to the major and top Industries and Financial Institutions ,the Security,Intelligence,the Police,the entire Military and committing openly all kinds of corruption on a day light ….

            To my best knowledge or recall,Prof Aman NEVER ever uttered a word against the TPLF Junta, not only when the TPLF sabotaged our $ 2billion worth Birr by changing its currency at the same time when Nacfa was introduced and later on by printing billions of fake nacfa,by sabotaging and abusing our ID and PRIDE, “The Nacfa Currency”.
            Prof Aman was CHEERING the TPLF and its “Visionary Leaders”for doing all these crimes against Eritrea.
            Prof Aman et all were,NOT only cheering and supporting the TPLF when Eritrea was at its/her LOWEST point but ,directly or indirectly, were part and parcel of the evil TPLF agenda of destroying Eritrea and Eritreans through the evil axis(es)and policies of(so that Eritrea shall die a slow death per the TPLF words) :

            -Isolation

            -Containment

            -Sabotage of all kinds(Political,economic,military,diplomatic,etc.. by all means possible)

            -Sanctions of all kinds(Prof Aman insisted and strongly supported the sanctions telling us that they were ONLY against Individuals and the Military)

            -The devastating Policy of No War No Peace

            -The evil policy of emptying Eritrea fully backed and supported by its Western Masters including the UNHCR

            -The abuse of Eritrean refugees by making millions of $$ in their name besides abusing the Eri ID and by stealing the visas of those poor True Eritrean refugees to relocate its own Citizens to well selected Western Countries and the Oceania

            -Continuous provocations of Eritrea,the GoE and its people including an open declaration for a regime change by all means by requesting for and getting a GREEN LINE and an APPROVAL from its Masters to do so–including to reveres the Eritrean Independence in 2011-2012 .
            Please do not tell me that Prof Aman et al did not know about all these evil agenda against Eritrea and Eritreans by the TPLF.

            Note that it was same Prof Aman,who openly declared that the TPLF was doing all these for their Strategic and National security Interest,when we challenged him the same way I am doing now as to why he was silent (which is COMPLICITby definition) when the TPLF had been doing all these evil acts against Eritrea and Eritreans.. ….

            With all due respect Ustaz Ismael,what do you call this other than or beyond calling it dishonesty,disgrace,hypocrisy,complicit…etc..?
            Consolation have a point to use the word Treason against some Eritreans.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Sultan,
            Thank you. Seen your response.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            I have never taken Hope (Sultan) as a serious person. He wanted me to sing his songs. And his songs has never been in tune and coordinated even to listen to them. By that I mean he wanted me to be a flip flapper. It won’t happen. It did not happen when time was against me and my life was at risk, and won’t happen now fighting from a safe place. My compatriot knows this vividly.

            Second, I spoke to Mahmuday last night. He is done with Issayas and his gangs. Now he is on a new mission not different than those who are in the struggle for justice. Actually, if you heard his interview with Erena, Assenna, and the clip in Meskerem can all give you the mission into. I asked him to come to rejoin Awate forum. He will be back either with an article or without. He told me also that he has new interview with Assenna, but I didn’t check it yet.

            Regard

      • Abi

        Consolation
        Sorry I failed to notice your well placed ኩርኩም on Ato Hidnrat’s head. I purposely skip his comments where he bends backwards to appease his supervisors in Dedebit.
        What we observed from the drama still unfolding is that both the stuffed ballots and stuffed ስልቻ filled with the old money will be out of use.
        The next logical move must be for Tigray government to print its own money and declare independence.
        They can keep both useless ስልቻዎች as souvenirs.
        Tigray Got Talent!!!
        The best show in town!!

    • Saleh Johar

      Abi,
      Did he really say that? I would like to see your source, pls share your source

  • Consolation

    Selam All,

    The breaking news this morning can only be described as a bombshell. Abiy has just announced that Ethiopia is introducing new currency bills from 5 birr upwards. This is meant to introduce a semblance of control on the rampant illegal activities going on with currency manipulators. It will also hit severely the illegal activities of criminal organizations like the TPLF. All the terrorist activities going in Ethiopia are believed to be financed by the TPLF. The have been using a lot of the billions of birr that they stole in the 27 years of their misrule of Ethiopians. By taking this bold action, but more significantly, doing it days after what ought to have been the TPLFs crowning moment of the past two years, he has scored brilliantly. I am sure there are those who will accuse Abiy, at least in private, of learning such bad habits from the master himself.

    ዶክቶር ኣቢይ፡ ተማሂሮም ካብ ኤሱ
    ከመይ ጌሮም፡ መድፍዕ ከይተኮሱ
    ዝተሰርቀ ገንዘቦም፡ ከምዘምልሱ
    ንወያነ ኣንበርኪኾም፡ ከምዝርምሱ።

    ከም ዕቡድ ከልቢ፡ እናተናኸሱ
    ሰላም ዝዘርጉ፡ ቅርሺ እናፍሰሱ
    ድሕሪ መረጻ፡ መዓልታት ከይሰለሱ
    ተረዲኦም፡ ዝዘመትዎ ከምዝውረሱ።

    • Abi

      Hello Consolation
      Unusually You are kind of very slow this morning.
      The preemptive accusation on Abiy regarding the monetary policy started a little earlier. You have not been paying attention!
      On his Negarit 97, under a title “ He Graduated”, subtitle “The Kilo-Halo Institute “, Saleh Gadi Johar has already accused ( publicly) PMAA on his monitory polices.
      Pay attention please!

      • Consolation

        Abi,

        It was a known fact that sooner or later the currency notes would have to be changed because the map of Ethiopia displayed should indicate clearly the true border between Ethiopia and Eritrea. It is the timing of the change that is of paramount importance. It totally deflates the Weyane thugs because the sacks of paper birr they have in their possession and which they were using as there is no tomorrow has now no value.

        Everyone, Isu detractor or not, will agree that this act by Abiy is a brilliant move. It is a checkmate that totally emasculates the TPLF thugs. So detractors will be loathe to openly give credit to Isu.

      • Selam Abi,

        As we were hearing in the news the last few months there was a big liquidity problem in banks that was affecting the economy negatively. The known knowns and their supporters had stashed billions in their homes and they had been using the money to destabilize the country economically and politically. That was also one of the reasons it was difficult to regulate foreign currency exchange with the value of the dollar and other foreign currencies that was rising continuously, despite the central bank’s effort.
        It is a clever move to control the movement of money by rogue elements like tplf. There will be a limit on the amount of money drawn from banks. Most probably people with large amounts of cash outside the banking system will be asked to prove the origin of the money, etc. Tplf and its supporters will soon start complaining and crying foul.
        Abiy’s other success is to remove dawud ibsa, the janus faced olf leader, by using his own people. He was playing a double game, carrying out purportedly peaceful struggle, while he was at the same time leading olf-shenee and sleeping with tplf despite what it did to olf.
        Abiy is methodically incapacitating tplf and his enemies from inside his own people who have sold their souls, people like the olf leader, jawar, bekele g. and others. By isolating tplf from its errand boys and by making tplf looters bankrupt, Abiy will try to have the upper hand over his enemies and the enemies of ethiopia. It is a smart move that will be supported by those who care for Ethiopia.

        • Abi

          Horizon
          “ላም ገመዷን በጠሰች” ቢሉት” በእራሷ አሳጠረች” አለ አስተዋዩ ሰውዬ!
          ወያኔ አንገቷ ላይ ያለውን ሸምቀቆ በገዛ እጇ እያጠበቀችው ትገኛለች::

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          Pls listen to Tamrat’s interview. He said, at this point Abiy has two options: either he has to leave the country like Mengstu or resign like Hailemariam Desalegne. According him Abiy can’t bring structural change in the government.

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            Mesekin, who is tamrat? Is he some kind of Facebook activist? I see these 2 guys r trying to kill u as fast as they can, watch out ur blood pressure and sugar level.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            Does the pm of ethiopia look like a person who would run away or resign whatever the so-called tamrat may say? Have you heard of Project X, the new economic policy.
            The introduction of new currency with the aim to control corruption and black market economy, the problem of currency exchange and inflation.
            Ethiopia’s debt has decreased to 25% of gdp.
            The debt of government businesses: banks, ethiopian electricity corporation, etc, that owed more than 600 billion birr, debt that was left behind by tplf, are restructured.
            Banks that are caught working illegally with forged currency will be closed.
            Any person who has more than 100K should open a bank account within a month, and if somebody is found with cash in his/her hand more than 1.5m birr outside his/her bank deposit will be confiscated as illegal money.
            There will be border control so that money illegally taken out of the country will not be returned.
            Measures will be taken on high rising buildings and villas without owners, most probably owned by tplf, that are standing empty. In other words, they will be confiscated. Etc.

            Tplf has a lot to worry about the new economic measures due to the illegal money it has stashed. As much as the so-called tamrat or any other tamrat is concerned, what he should know is that, if wishes were horses he would ride, but, the reality is different.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Is the new currency is intended to strangulate the state of Tigray? If he does, It means he is expediting Tigray Kilil to trigger article-39. If Tigray triggered article-39 the other states will follow suit. The Ethiopia that we know, will not exist. I hope it is not for that purpose. And if he opted to wage a war with them, it will a bloody war of epic proportions. When you dream dream positive to your people and your country.

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            If this new currency thing intended to strangulate illegally earned money, r u against it? Which means u r pro-stolen money? i don’t even think tplf itself will agree with u.
            2, do u know other than tigrai the rest of the kilils governed by prosperity party?
            U look like blood pressure is talking, God saved u from corona(even though with big damage) and now this 2 guys is trying to kill u “aketelew”.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Article 39 is the best option for the Tigray people. Ten Million people voted for Tplf. 100,000,000 people will be happy to vote for the independence of Tigray . Sorry, I meant 400,000,000 people. Every vote counts as four. We are learning fast.
            Blind love is killing your uncommon sense.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            Last weekès vote in Tigray was a referendum to preserve article 39. the article is a scarecrow (ማስፈራርቾ) that is going to be brought up at every disagreement. it looks like a veto-power abused by one security council member.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            “ዘጠኝ ሞት መጣ ቢሉት አንዱን ግባ በለው” ብሏል አንዱ የማይደነግጥ ልበ ደንዳና!!!

            ማን ይፈራል ብለው ነው መከራቸውን የሚያዩት?

          • Selam Haile S.,

            The currency change should have scared the hell out of tplf and its supporters. Most probably they will go nowhere with empty hands. Implementing article 39 is easier said than done.
            Look at what is happening in Belgium, a European country, a developed one, and even had the infamous king leopold ii who was responsible for the death of about 10m congolese, when the country was his private property.
            Belgium is similar to ethiopia in that it is an ethno-linguistic federation, the francophones and the dutch speaking flanders, and a small minority of Germans, as i understood.
            Some years ago they didn’t have a government for more than one and half years, because they couldn’t agree on a coalition government and who should be the pm. It is a country more or less separated into two parts, without a national party or anything national for that, similar to what tplf tried to create in Ethiopia. That is why Abiy formed a national party, the PP, tplf hates so much.
            It is said that Belgium is at the verge of a breakup. Their dilemma is that if they breakup, they are not sure if their kins on the other side of the border will accept them after almost 200 yrs of separation, and if they separate, they will end up into two insignificant countries. They can’t go forward and they can’t go back. Tplf has a similar dilemma, because it can’t be accepted by Eritreans.
            Independence looks beautiful, but illusive and exists much more in a virtual reality, and staying with Ethiopia as equals is against their inflated ego. That is why tplf is saying, everything or nothing, death or life.

          • Abi

            Tigray can not stay in Ethiopia as equals. They are on a much higher level. If you remember Saint Fantiness told us the reason why all the military and security apparatuses were under Tigray control was because it was only the people of Tigray who are capable and trustworthy of doing something important as securing the well-being of the country.
            If Saint Fantiness is not ashamed of telling this in public, imagine what an arrogant person from Tigray would think?

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            The big money, the stolen money is with tplf officials and not with the people of tugray. The tigrayan farmer and labourer doesn’t own the millions and billions. It has not more than 100K to 1.5m birr as said.
            If there is anybody ready to trigger article 39, it was, it is and it will be tplf and not the people of today.
            It was tplf is tigray and tigray is tplf, and now you are more or less saying tplf is Ethiopia and Ethiopia is tplf. Who said Ethiopia will stop to exist if tigray goes. After all, it is not going away with the name Ethiopia, which tplf hates so much. Do you remember what your demigod said, “what is axum for a welayta”? That was when he separated tigray from Ethiopia, soon after he set foot in Addis. It is an old story, tplf can’t hate Ethiopia any more nor any less.
            You are disappointed because Abiy is not giving you a war. It is not because you will win the war, but because you and your tplf could destabilise Ethiopia, even if it is at the expense of the people of tigray. It shows the callousness of you people.
            The million dollars question is, who is speaking really? You, who is supposed to be an Eritrean, who is unashamedly acting as a mercinary for tplf, who has sold his soul for a dead dictator. Is this how much you love mz/tplf and at the same time is this how much you hate Ethiopia. Don’t tell us your problem is Abiy, as usual. You were always with tplf even as Eritrean opposition was complaining about tplf. Have some self-respect. So many people are telling you to do so. You should be ashamed when you say that you are an Eritrean and not a tigrayan tplf. At last, try to be clear about yourself. I doubt that Eritreans trust you.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            I’ve told you before this character has already said without Tigreans on the top , Ethiopia will be disintegrated.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi, the hackler!
            How about if colonel Abyi is playing you? Think about it for a sec.
            How about he is pretending to hate the woyane but in reality to use them for the Oromos to declare their independence? Have you thought about that?
            He might as well be a pretender.

          • Abi

            MM
            I think you are low in battery. Call back after recharging.
            ኦሮሞ ግንድ ነው አይገነጠልም:: ትግራይ ቢኖር የማይጠቅም ቢገነጠል የማይጎዳ ቅርንጫፍ ነው ::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi, the hackler!
            That’s where you are wrong. ኦሮሞ ግንድ ኣይደለም and never been, at least the way you think. However, ኦሮሞ wants to be real its own ግንድ but not Ethiopia’s ግንድ.

          • Abi

            MM
            It is apparently clear that you need to catch up with Ethiopian politics.
            አንድ ጥያቄ አለኝ
            ወያኔ 10,000,000 ድምፅ ያገኘው ኤርትራውያንን ጨምሮ ነው?
            መቼም መርጠሃል ብዬ ነው አንተን መጠየቄ:)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi, the hackler!
            Not yet. My vote will be on Nov the 3rd.
            Where do you get that 10M? Aha…it looks like from the hgdf ማህደር? You think they are that stupid? Naaaaaaah.
            I will ask you my question again, either after the baby Dr. or when Ethiopia is no longer the Ethiopia you know.

          • Abi

            MM
            I know the leaders are stupid.
            ህዝቡንም እንደገንዘቡ ማባዛታቸውን መቼ አውቄ! እኔማ ኤርትራን ጠቅልለው የወሰዱ መስሎኝ ደነገጥኩልህ:)

            The baby doctor ጥርስ አውጥቶ የወያኔን ማንቁርት ነክሶ እያንፈራፈረው ነው!! አልሰማህም እንዴ?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi, the hackler!
            For that, I need a translator.

          • Abi

            If you don’t learn Amharic you should be banned!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi, the hackler!
            The time Tigray left the union, there will be no more Ethiopia, including the name.
            What the Amharas elite’s problem is that they believe the devil from Adi-halo.
            They have no idea that the guy is lunatic. How is that they can’t learn from us. He killed us. Are you sure you want to be killed?
            The guy has no positive development. None!
            Do you really understand what absolute NONE is?

          • Abi

            MM
            I’ve heard this “without Tigray there is no Ethiopia” nonsense. I grew up believing the same regarding Eritrea.
            I don’t lose sleep if Tigray takes exit 39 . Let them go before መስቀል. All 10 million of them. You got your independence 28 years ago. Why are you discouraging the people of Tigray from achieving their hard fought independence? Is it a buyer’s remorse? You should be the one advocating for their independence.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            Without Tigray, Ethiopia will just be another Katanga Banana Land.

          • Abi

            Simon
            You sound scared.
            ጀግና አልነበርክም እንዴ?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Ethiopia’s problems are your problems, not mine.

            If you don’t like Katanga Banana Land, you may choose Zeraf Zeraf Land or Bongo Bongo Land.

          • Abi

            Simon
            The “Bongo Bongo Land” sounds exiting!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You mean exciting.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Without sitting with TPLF, the current governing entity to the people’s of Tigray, there is no any stability in Ethiopia; and without Tigray state there is no Ethiopia. Absolutely not. That is fact and you better believe it. Second, whoever want to change the “current system” and the “powder Endowed to the states”; and whoever dream to bring back the unitary state (the Amara elites like yourself) it will either not happen or expedite the disintegration of Ethiopia. Go real and stop these innuendos.

            Lastly, wether you like it or not, Abiy will be forced to sit with TPLF and other opposition groups, to resolve the impasse, because there is no other peaceful alternative to it. It is only then, Incarcerating the oppositions leaders and heeding the advice of Issayas, will not bring the Amara elites to power if that is your dream. That era is gone for good. It is the era of equitable power sharing. Horizon you can’t dream to the past of destitute and discriminative institutions of power. Cleanse your mind that is filled with hate to the people of Tigray and their leaders. The more you hate the Tigray people the more you lose the peace of mind. Just to remind you.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            The job of deflating the ego of tplf is being done, and at a certain point it will be forced to sit and discuss with the federal government. This is a fact. If the mountain doesn’t come to you, you should go to the mountain, the mountain being the federal government.
            Tplf will go nowhere, and Ethiopia will be right in her usual place. Don’t give too much credit to those who leave. They are easily forgotten.
            The unitary state, is simply tplf’s banner it carries in its last battle, even though it knows very well that Ethiopia will never go back to a unitary system. The type of federation she will have is a different matter. Tplf’s ethnic federalism was nothing else but a toxic centralised government under tplf hegemonic rule.
            You don’t want to understand. Tplf and the people of tigray are not the same, and no Ethiopian hates the people. As a foreigner you might find it difficult to understand. You may know tplf but not the people of Ethiopia.
            “The era of equitable power”. Did you see that during the three decades of tplf hegemony, dictatorship and authoritarianism? It is disingenuous, and you are insulting the intelligence of the Ethiopian people, when you say that the three decades of tplf dictatorship were the era of equitable power in Ethiopia. You may whitewash tplf’s crimes as much as you want, nevertheless, Ethiopians know tplf as one of the worst dictators that ruled Ethiopia.

          • Consolation

            Selam Amanuel,

            You are desperate. I suppose Tamrat is Tamrat Layne. If that is the case, then I don’t see why you should consider whatever he says as politically relevant. But one thing you should be prepared for, Abiy seems determined to bury the TPLF thugs. They have just dismissed the President of Mekele University with a three line letter. This must very humiliating for the TPLF as it was certainly meant to be. If I were to guess, Prof. Kindeya is being dismissed for inviting the Norwegian conflict rouser to observe the illegal election under the guise of an adjunct professor of the University.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Horizon; Knowing the thugs, they will find a way to get out of this new currency. The good news is the thugs will be forced to share the money with some people of Tigray. The thugs will distribute among the people to take the bank and once the people exchanged the new money, the thugs will take their money with a few fee to the people. For instance; the thugs will find unemployed and poor person and they will tell him or her, take this 100K to the band and exchange it to the new currency and will give 5K for their service. You will see there will be new millionaires in Tigray very soon.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            U r really even dumber than the average eplf cadres! I really mean it.

          • Nitricc

            Why is that? But what took you this long to find out i am dumb? you must be really dumb.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            I was hoping u will learn but when i see u have been played over and over again i realized something wrong with ur genetic.

          • Consolation

            Nitricc,

            If Abiy adopts what Eritrea did when it changed its currency to require anyone bringing notes to be exchanged and deposited in their bank account to explain how they made that money, then they will be ok. The TPLF goons may distribute the money but if a taxi (bajaj) driver comes with a million birr, he will have to explain how he made that money. whether he paid taxes or not, etc. If the government simply accepts the money without making sure of its source, then the exercise will be futile.

          • Nitricc

            taxi (bajaj) driver comes with a million birr, he will have to explain how he made that money

            Hey Conso; to whom are they going to explain? If PMAA send the money to Tigray and left it up the Tigryans to do the exchange, it is useless. This people are submerged in corruption and they will do anything to beat the system. it will be interesting to see.

          • Consolation

            Selam Nitro,

            They will have to figure out how to prevent money laundering. Otherwise, the exercise will fail. I don’t know what the federal government presence in Tigray looks like. Since there are federal institutions in Tigray, such as the commercial bank, the universities etc, there must be a mechanism where they operate in these institutions without the interference of the TPLF goons. If worst comes to worst, they can require anyone exchanging amounts over a certain figure to come to Addis!

          • Selam Nitricc,
            There is a lot of old currency in the hands of tplf. The ethiopian government will not be able to change the whole amount even if it wants to. Moreover, the new currency will be distributed across the country according to the demography, economic stand of each state and other factors. There will also be a time limit to change the old currency, which i believe will not be long. All these may mean that most probably a lot of birr is going to remain in tplf’s hands.

          • Sultan

            Selam Horizon:
            The currency change was quite expected for multiple reasons.
            It was alleged that the TPLF lost about 28 billion nacfa including the fake nacfa they distributed when the GoE suddenly introduced new nacfa currency!
            But u have to understand that the TPLF has been aware of or was anticipating this and might have collected enough Dollars and as you know, it is claimed that they have enough dollars in store.
            Expect circulation of fake new birr through out Ethiopia.

          • Selam Sultan,

            As you said, most probably they expected the change in currency. They were flooding the black market with birr to collect dollars and other foreign currencies, nevertheless, they were doing it all the time. Lately, the soaring prices of foreign currencies and the failure by the national bank to stabilize the exchange rate may be due to their hurry to change birr before it was too late, thus dumping a lot of birr in the black market.
            The government is saying that the period during which the old birr should be changed for the new ones is only three months, which will put pressure on tplf, because they may not have the time to change all the birr they had collected and hence the liquidity problem.
            It is said that the currency was printed in different centers in a short period of time to minimize the chance so that rogue elements would not be able to conspire against it.
            The case of fake birr was discussed by the pm, who said that extra care was taken to make counterfeiting difficult. I didn’t know that some banks were cooperating with criminals to accept and pass counterfeit money into the ethiopian economy. You can see how much tplf was a worse exploiter than european colonizers.
            The main point is that tplf’s birr or dollar deposits are not going to increase anymore, but on the contrary, it will decrease as time passes.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            PMAA said 90% of conversions will take place in just one month.
            It is kind of “ Fast and Furious “ operation.

          • Selam Abi.
            I don’t know how banks could manage to collect the more than 100bn birr in private hands in such a short period of time. The pm was saying that it could be a hard job for banks.
            Banks may see unexpected millionaires.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            It should be done in 7 business days. How many millionaires and billionaires do we have? Last time I checked we were poor. We don’t print millionaires overnight.
            Any amount more than 500,000 birr should be exchanged at the central bank only. There should be exceptions for Tigray. 50,000 birr should be the maximum an individual can deposit or exchange.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I don’t know the details of the financial situation in Ethiopia but I think there is a series problem that’s very hard to fathom. I was reading Addis Fortune article where the bankers were asking the government to issue higher Denomination Bank Notes such as 200 or 500.

            The new directive has pegged the cash limit for individuals at 200,000 Br daily and one million Birr monthly. For businesses, the daily cap is 300,000 Br and the monthly cap is 2.5 million Br, respectively.

            I don’t know but this type of numbers do not look normal to me.
            200,000 Br daily limit for individuals and 1 million Birr monthly.
            300,000 Br daily limit for business and 2.5 million Br for monthly.

            Converted to dollars (unless I am missing something 1 US dollar 0.027 Eth Br).
            5,400 US Daily 27,000 US dollars monthly.
            8,100 US Daily 67,500 US dollars monthly.

            These numbers are insane, and how many people are in this kind of situation. The way I am thinking, even if you divide this by 100 it is still way too much, in fact, considering the labor conditions in Ethiopia / Africa, it should be divided by 1000 to make sense. 200 BR daily limit…I mean during the Derg time, monthly salary of a teacher was around 500 Br. I wonder how much it is today?

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.

            The currency change was carried out in secrecy by a very few individuals including the pm, the head of the national Bank and few others, as i understood. The bankers were not consulted, and the reason they complain.
            As to the denominations of the bank notes, they were saying that 500 and even 1000 notes should have been issued due to inflation. The problem is that this will encourage corruption and crimes, because a large amount of money could be carried around in small packs that could be hidden easily, and in addition large denominations worsen inflation.
            I am not sure if i have understood you on this, but i think that the amount you draw daily is deducted from the amount you are allowed to draw in a month. If you can draw 1m birr in a month, you can either do it in five days or in any number of days you choose as long as you will not draw above the 1 m in a month you are allowed. This is my logical conclusion without being certain about it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            You are right that large denomination of 500 or 1000 bills will make it easier to save and transport for illicit purposes.
            Large cash transactions instead of Bank drafts is always the untraceable chosen method for criminal or illicit activities.

            Today in U.S, there is a Treasury Department requirement of all Banks and other institutions to report any and all cash transactions of $10,000.00 or more. The report identifies the individual and other pertinent information immediately.
            There is additional instructions to Bank officers that if an individual deposits 9,000.00 one day and deposits another 9,000.00 the next week qualifies as a suspicious activity and reported immediately. The Banks are audited for their compliance and cooperation regularly as one of their functions.
            The solution being use Bank drafts to transfer large amount of money that is visible and traceable.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            My understanding is the same as your as far as the daily limit etc.

            What I am finding surprising is the limit a person is allowed to withdraw daily or monthly.

            It seems to me 200,000 Br daily is quite excessive amount for any individual needing cash.

            Ethiopian airline pilot makes around 20,000 Br per month (those in high end) and why would such large amount is needed. I would say the limit should be 2000 daily honestly if a Pilot salary is only 20,000 per month.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            berhe
            Launch(mendi) + chat(gat)+chepecy(drink) will cost u over 2000 daily.
            what amusing about u guys is, u don’t even have a clue about anything ethiopia except “teraz netek”from political writings but u talk about ethiopia like experts.
            It is 20000 daily for individuals and 1.5 million daily for business.
            And nobody is allowed to have paper cash money more than 1.5 million at any time , u have to deposit any birr above 1.5 million in bank.

          • Selam Berhe Y.

            I think i get your point this time. You are asking who has that kind of money to draw 200k birr a day or 1m a month if he/she is an ordinary individual and doesn’t run a business of one sort our other? You are right. The Ethiopian economy is not for such amount of money in the hands of individuals, and it requires more explanation.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            You are right, that’s what I mean. Here is more accurate numbers from borkena as per Governer of the Bank.


            Governor the Bank, Yinager Dessie (Ph.D.), had a press statement about it on Tuesday. According to the new regulation, individuals can only withdraw only 200,000 Ethiopian birr per day (which is about 5900 USD). Companies can withdraw up to 300,000 cash.

            A monthly withdrawal limit is introduced too. It is one million Ethiopian Birr for individuals ($29,500 US) and 2.5 million birr ($73,750 USD) for businesses.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            Many years ago I read about a pizza parlor in a South American city, Argentina or Chile I don’t remember, that used the local banknotes as a wallpaper because it was cheaper. Then I read Noami Klein’s book about the Shock Doctrine that helped create confusion to set the planned structural change of the economy. With that as a background, I think Abiy has embraced the neo-con economic model and Ethiopia will face serious inflation. Some country has faced unprecedented inflations they had to delete some zeros from their money, like the currency is devaluated so much that The price of commodities goes so high, for instance Tef could reach 100,000 per quintal they delete the 3 zeroes to make it an easy number to 100.

            In such cases the government can legislate the prices including exchange rates but the market dictates its own price. You need to see the historical value of the birr in the last 30 years to get an idea.

            The gist of my comment is, Eritrea is ahead of you. We went through legislated rates, killing of market economy which could have developed normally by now, and control of cash circulation and monopolizing of financial instruments by the regime, changing and printing of banknotes, etc. we have seen it and it is disaster. Brace for more and I will pray you get through this with the list suffering but suffer, you will.

          • Selam SJG,

            Currency manipulation alone may not solve the economic problems in the long run. The short term aim is to control illegal money, hoardings and undermining the economy and the stability of the country with illegal money as a weapon.
            I believe that if the agricultural sector is developed and becomes productive, which is the backbone of the economy, and there is a plan to do that, and basic commodities are available at a reasonable price, inflation may not surge to extreme levels at least on these basic items.
            Controlling corruption and the black market is another fundamental thing to do. These are the things that destroyed Lebanon’s economy. I think that a lesson has been learnt to fight these. Already illegal foreign currency sites are raided, those who tried to smuggle birr back to the country are arrested, and if it continues to be successful it will help a lot.
            What Ethiopians should worry about is foreign interventions such as blocking foreign aid as trump has done lately and may even impose sanctions, nobody knows. Zimbabwe saw the worst economic crisis and inflation due to the american sanctions, and recently the government was forced to call back the white farmers and told them to get back the land they lost under mugabe. Therefore, if they keep away and do not negatively affect the ethiopian economy, internal problems could be controlled. It is foreign intervention that will hurt the economy more than anything else.
            Finally the amount of money that would be in the pockets of citizens is not really small as Berhe Y. tried to show, which means that there will be enough money circulating in the economy, and moreover the government is participating in the economy so that it stays stable. Anyway, the coming months will show which way the country is going.

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            Very true. But I have a problem accepting the last policies as purely financial, they are political decision and once financial policies are blurred and become partisan tools, it’s a downward journey. By the way, the justification you explained are template that every government uses. Therefore, they are a copy of familiar rhetoric. Good luck

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y.,

            I think it might be the wrong formula used that is not making sense.
            I think it should be one (1) U.S dollar buys 27 Eth. Birr and not 1 u.s dollar buys o.027 birr.
            I wish that was the case a stronger Eth. birr.
            I hope I am not confusing the situation.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi KM,

            You are correct, I got it wrong. Unfortunately it makes the results even worse.

            Converted to dollars (unless I am missing something 1 US dollar 27 Birr Eth Br).
            200,000 Br ~ 7,407 US dollars daily
            1 million Br ~ 37,037 US dollars monthly.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            berhe
            U got it all wrong but 30 years ago over 1 million us dollars daily was used to bombard eritrea’s shefeta , that doesn’t include the civilians and ethiopia airline expense, just the military expenses.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kim,

            “1USD buys 0.027Eth” – May be, it was the case during Amole (ኣሞሌ ጨው) before Italian invasion of 1935.

            For the pleasure of reading history, here is an extract from Richard Pankhurst. ‘Primitive money’ in Ethiopia. Journal de la Société des Africanistes, 1962, tome 32, fascicule 2. pp. 213-248;

            ……. Each of the above types of primitive money represented an evolution out of a barter economy. The advantage of any such article of exchange, however inconvenient, may be seen by considering the basic inconvenience of barter, i. e. the need for a double coincidence of wants. The difficulties inherent in such exchange may be illustrated from Paul Soleillet’s account of how he went to Aureillo market in Shoa in the eighteen eighties in quest of barley for his mules. He had first to change a dollar for 14 amoles, or salt bars, after which he went in search of a peasant with barley only to find that the latter was unwilling to sell it for salt, being desirous of obtaining wheat. After much enquiry the Frenchman found someone wishing to sell wheat only to learn that he wanted the grain tef in exchange. At length a seller of tef was located who was willing to accept salt bars ; they were then able to change tef for wheat and wheat for barley, so in the end the mules did not go hungry.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Haile S.

            You might be right, such evolution in such a short relative time. You always go to the root to explain the falling leaves.

            In my beginning exposure of Dollars and Birr relationship in 1968, I wanted 1 for 1 but was rudely awaken that I have to pay 5 birr for their 1 dollar. I thought I was being ripped off.
            Now it is 27 or 30 birr for their 1 dollar.

            Salt served its purpose, in its time. Afar/Tigray was the central bank?
            Don’t you wonder, what it will be like a similar time in the future?

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Nitricc,

            What you said is possible. We don’t know the details yet. The PM was saying that the money will be deposited by presenting IDs. I don’t know if it was happening otherwise. The other point is that he/she may be asked by the bank where the money came from, his business and income history, etc. i don’t know. We may learn, but i think that it will not be easy.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Haile S,

    Thank you so much for the picture that was worth a thousand words.

    I was caught up in youtube music and such yesterday and I spent better than an hour on Eritrean Independence celebrations. The 2016 celebration, in particular at the stadium with a young woman leading the song was very moving. I try to put myself in the shoes of old, old friends and was moved by it. I also got the feeling that the people in the stadium at least adore and love the President, indicating he still has a lot of common people support.

    Mr. K.H

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Tedros, Abi and all
    Thanks HaileS. That is what I have been trying to explain. Challenge that if you can without branching out. If you magically see the “slavery” choice there, pls direct me to it.

    Thank you

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Saleh Johar
      I have 2 questions for u, if the referendum choice was yes and no , yes for what and no for what?
      note, according to the eritrea liberation front parties, both elf and eplf the eritrea question was colonialism? And the referendum conducted based on eritrea was colony of ethiopia narration.
      2, in one of ur recent interview u said ” u forced to involve in politics because the two parties(eprdf and eplf) denied u citizenship by confiscated ur passport” and in one of ur comment yesterday , u said “u were one of organizer of eri referendum” don’t u think ur recent interview and yesterday’s comment of urs contradicted?

      • Saleh Johar

        Tedros,

        Question 1:

        1. HaileS linked the image of the card a few hours ago–check it and you have it there–man, do some work!
        2. I don’t care what anyone calls Eritrea’s status under your kings, Eritreans wanted legal end to the tragedy and the referendum was a good solution. Voting YES was the tool that cut the handcuffs presented to us as an umbilical cord. We voted yes. I voted yes.
        3. An advise. Not everyone understands or enjoys the byzantine argument of “was it a colony or an occupied this or that”. Discuss such topics with the politicos who do not get tired of discussing it. To me it’s a boring exercise that the pseudo-intellectuals like to dwell on. To me it is simple: whatever it was, we wanted Ethiopian hegemony out.

        Question 2:

        1-If you misunderstand what you listen, don’t blame me.
        2- I was involved in the struggle straight out of high school.
        3- I said I became vocal in the nineties and after the Badme war I dedicated almost all my life for the struggle.
        4- Never said denied me citizenship, what i said it, the Ethiopian cancelled my Ethiopian passport (wait for an opportunity for the details of the story if you are interested), and the Eritrean embassy denied me a passport though I never had one.
        5-I have an Eritrean citizenship and i was a member of the referendum committee.
        6. If you have additional personal questions, send them to me through UPS, you wont’s get an answer here.

        EXTRA:
        Please give me a break and don’t consider it if i do not respond on this topic to you or others. Once a topic is squeezed enough, it’s advisable to move on. No medal are given here for winning an argument–In case that was the goal
        🙂

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saleh,

          For some ill-behaved individuals, there is a solution for them, and that is, to “severely ignore” them.

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Saleh
      As I said earlier, this piece of paper means nothing if the campaign slogan was to choose between ነፃነት ወይም ባርነት.
      You are responsible for misleading the general public.

      • Consolation

        Selam Abi,

        That is a very silly. After suffering 40 years of Ethiopian brutality, do you think there was anyone in Eritrea who would be misled! You Ethiopians have a very bad record of cheating yourselves. You should be grateful that Eritreans are not a vindictive people. Because if we had been, we would have pulled your Ethiopia apart and sent you to your age of princes.

        • Abi

          Consolation
          That would have been your consolation prize!
          ምነው እራስዎን አንቱ አሉት?

      • Saleh Johar

        Abi? I misled the public? I as in Saleh?
        You have this bad habit of personalizing debate and being belligerent when you feel you didn’t win an argument. Why go there? It’s your choice, good luck.

        Now, please think king about it: we are living in a sort of slavery under the current regime. However, that doesn’t translate to the opposite. It was better under the Ethiopian Seyume Egzabhers or the bloody soldiers. It was worse than slavery, particularly your last bloodsucker king.

        On the referendum ticket, if I was to design it today, I would have put two choices in it; 1) Freedom 2) Slavery.

        Sorry, aTbqo Teyaqi yenatun merdo ysemaal 🙂

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Saleh
          Yes, you, Saleh Gadi Johar, as member of the referendum committee, should be held accountable for failing to explain in clear terms that the Ethiopian constitution doesn’t allow dual citizenship regardless of the outcome. However, you and all ነፃነት ናፋቂ ተጋዳዮች were busy campaigning under the banner ነፃነት/ባርነት ዝባዝንኬ.
          My last bloodsucker king was much better for Eritreans than your idol the notorious ሽፍታ Idris Awate any minute of the day.
          ዓሣ ጎርጏሪ ዘንዶ ያወጣል!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            I know it when you feel like fighting. I hear your sotto-voce zeraf-zeraf. You win for letting me remember I was not an immigration officer or a citizenship expert then. You think at the time I knew or was interested in your “semay ayyetares negus aykeses” constitution?

            If I was rude, I would have said something about your…

            “…you and all ነፃነት ናፋቂ ተጋዳዮች were busy campaigning under the banner ነፃነት/ባርነት ዝባዝንኬ.”

            Let’s just say, it’s not TRUE though it captures the spirit of the time. And remember, my Shifta taught the entire region to stand up for its right. Until he came around with a bang, everybody kissed the king’s shoes. By the way, shifta means rebel in the original Geez or Tigrinya (I am not sure which). Don’t you thing a REBEL is a good trait to be remembered by instead of an unjust bloodsucking feudal princeling.

            Would you accept if I suggested a truce or you intend to make it uglier?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            ለዛሬ እዚህ ላይ ይብቃን::
            ብሩክ ምሸት

          • Saleh Johar

            Good. Thank you Abiy

  • David Samson

    Selam All,

    I am not going to drag in myself into debating on the merits of the election in Tigray and even if an election is needed after all.

    Nonetheless, I will make the following points:

    For Eritreans: the grape is sour or as tradition saying goes: እድጊ ዘይብላስ
    በቕሊ ትንዕቕ

    For Ethio files: watch out the space and you might even eat your humble pie in a year or so time.

    As I said many time times in the past, there are a handful of African countries which can boast on their elections’ credentials. Taking westerners’ standard as a yardstick,
    many elections held in Africa are shame and always rigged in favour of the incumbent.

    The medemer PM will hold one in a year or so time. It is not difficult to predict the outcome
    of a rigged election. I am keeping an eye on who and what said. In fact, I will keep it on a diary as a day of Ethio’s New Year. In a year’s time, everyone’s carbon print will be displayed on this site.

    Happy New Year by the way.

    • Sultan

      Dave :
      “ For Eritreans: the grape is sour or as tradition saying goes: እድጊ ዘይብላስ
      በቕሊ ትንዕቕ”!
      Agree but we are just debating for the sake of it , throwing opinions, not coz we are in a better shape!

      • David Samson

        Selam Sultan,
        The flip-flopping applies to all, and I am holding them to be an accountable when PMAA holds an election.

  • Dongolo

    Howdy all. What you are seeing here is prime time example of why the PIA/PFDJ opposition is simply not trusted: Their primary objective appears to be to support and defend the TPLF at all costs. One has to ask why would any Eritrean feel compelled to send congratulations/applause to the TPLF (Eritrea’s illegal occupier) in regards to their regional bogus elections? What prevents these same people from simply and prudently reserving any comment?

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; i need to ask you and be honest on your answers. specially Berhe. To my dismay; i see you people jumping up and down with joy that TPLF holding an election and wining 98%. Although it reveals your decaying soul but that is fine. Now, as you know PIA could do anything in Eritrea and he can hold an election next month and PIA wins forget 98% but by 56% would you accept it? Would you be happy?

    • David Samson

      Selam Nitricc,

      56 is barely pass mark. Not good enough to get a mandate from the voters.

      To borrow Abiy’s ( Ras) lingua, the last time I checked on most African dictators is that they mark themselves and self award an A star or just normal A. 98% ain’t an A plus, but it is still an A.

      The chap from Belarus, after getting A pluses for years has reduced himself to a B grade.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Dawit; all it takes is 51% really. Are buying 98% of the thugs?

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Hey private,
      DIA and election do NOT go in the same sentence. While you are there, add constitution that a NO list.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Digital; why don’t answer the freaking question, deal soul. When your master thugs tell you that they won 98% it is acceptable when i asked you a question, you go south, answer the freaking question, I will grew like fungus on your digital behind.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selam private sole-cell
          First, I am analog not digital, just to clarify that 🙂
          Second, my master is God and only God.
          You have a master doesn’t mean I also have one but you need to grow another cell to understand that.
          Third, to have an election, you have to have a constitution.
          Fourth, what ever I answer you, you need more cells to analyze and understand that. So, I better stop here.
          Oh, there is no game that you can beat me. None. Again, you need more cells for that.

          • Nitricc

            First, I am analog not digital, just to clarify that 🙂

            Hi Digital; how much are they paying you? come clean. I know any person thinks that he or she convinced that they are smart, obviously, you are a typical digital. Fine, i have one functional cell, now tell me, have you ever heard 98% election victory other than your country tigray, do you buy it?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Private,
            Silicon Valley’s pay is decent. If I had to guess, my 6 weeks pay [excluding bonus & RSUs] should cover your whole year salary.
            Now that I have answered how much I get paid, read my #4 reason again to get your answer.
            If this is not clear, I will try to explain in klingon language.

          • Nitricc

            Digital; silicon won’t hire stupid people, trust me on that one. you think you are educated yet, you believe 98% election victory, stupid.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            So you admit that I am smart. You are upgrading yourself!

          • Nitricc

            No digital; you are stupid.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            I am analog, private.

          • Nitricc

            Answer my question; have you ever hears a democratic election wining by 98% margin? Again how much are they paying you? i hope you are not settling for air Ticket like we know people on this forum.

          • Nitricc

            I am analog

            I know that is you are not qualified to work for silicon valley. Silicon only takes digitals. hahahahaha. you are exposed, digital.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Let me be a little nicer to you: real world is Analog. Digital can’t survive without Analog. I hope this help you. That’s why in every digital design, there should be DAC & ADC to do the conversion.
            You welcome!

          • Nitricc

            here should be DAC & ADC

            Digital; i don’t what means but people with a real knowledge; they will understand that and they will explain what that would be but people with no knowledge they throw things just to look educated, frankly, you are nothing but digitally stupid. Now, please answer me, have ever seen 98% election victory, please!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            It means Digital to Analog Converter and vice versa.
            Anymore question?

          • Nitricc

            How fitting: where did you read that? I rest my case. so it means you are a digital and trying to convert to analog, is that right? hahaha silicon my azz, Now have you ever heard 98% voting approval on political and democratic election, ever ? please answer me. i know you worried about you pay from the thugs but please answer me, i am begging you, some times integrity comes before payday.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            What 98% are you talking about?
            Was there an election in the bizzaro HGDF world that we never heard?
            If it is not Eritrean or US election, I could careless about other countries.
            Why? It is because non of my business.
            But to just make you happy, I would say Yes, if their constitution is set that way.
            Who am I to criticize when I neither have constitution nor election in my country?

          • Nitricc

            What 98% are you talking about?

            Digital; i am talking about the recent election of about your country Tigray and you have been jumping on joy and wrote many of useless poems about it. why are you playing dumb? You said, the Tigryans left us behind by holding election and you congratulation them by wining 98%. do you really believe that, that is my question. Do i really have to explain to a person so smart that works in silicon valley? silicon my foot. Now answer me, have you ever witnessed an democratic election anyone wining by 98%? please.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            You are taking so much data center space and my time to babysit you is over. Let others take the turn now.
            I have already answered you Yes. Re-read it.

          • Nitricc

            Thanks silicon valley lol the other day SG had an edition that read, dream your size. We supposed bow to you freaking low life because you mention silicon valley, get F out of here digital weuane.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Before I am done with you:
            Do you really know what Silicon Valley is? If you live around here, it is not uncommon to work in one of those many companies located in Silicon valley. You seem to have misguided idea
            Since for anyone you think is smarter than you start to call Digital Weyane, I am you include me to wear that badge 🙂
            After all, I am not stupid as you keep calling me that.
            Piece of advice, digital weyane doesn’t go with stupid [shhh, dongolo or consolation may hear you}

          • Nitricc

            Digital; I don’t want go to your level but, twice a year i am in silicon valley to inspect and even fire people. just you know. I know you think you are all that but you are not. be humble my digital weayne.

          • Nitricc

            Digital; silicon valley is the breath place of drones and most military’s technology but there are strict auditors by the government. and i know exactly about silicon and my advice to you is be humble. I understand being a tigrine you need to brag because you are suffering from inferiority i got you but clam down. i know silicon but i am not going brag about it, i am Eritrean.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Still behind…I design you audit 🙂
            You telling me what you do is not humble when I tell you is something else.
            You keep mentioning you are Eritrean and I have a feeling there is something it bothers you there. I know who I am and where I am from, no need to prove it to you.
            Who are you currently serving btw? Right!

          • Nitricc

            Digital i rather serve the great county than be bought by the stupid weyane. How much are they paying you? No one who works for silicon valley will accept payment from the stupid weyane. that is my point. i have a great respect for silicon valley, don’t cheapen it.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            [No one who works for silicon valley will accept payment from the stupid weyane]
            Now you are progressing…

          • Nitricc

            Digtal; i am begging you, please answer me, please; have you ever witnessed a democratic election wining 98% please, i am begging you. believe me i will never bother you again. i am begging you.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            I have already say YES. Are you ok man?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Digital: yes to what? you think you are smart. Yes, to what? you dumb F. explain. I refused to believe that you are that you are that stupid. How much are they paying you?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Is your sole-cell’s efficiency reduced to about 10%?
            You really are tiring.
            Listen to this and ask me again. It helps.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX4uAuAyfrM

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      I will accept even if he wins 100%. How about that.

      100% is a stepping stone to the next election.

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        Ayyyyyyy Berhe; You are corrupted to the core. People are differing and there no such a thing 100%. It is not just possible. what is wrong with you. You disappointed me. You brag about Canadian democracy and when it comes to Africa, you have different criteria, now i make my point when i say the African Mentality. Sad.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          I don’t know what kind of election we are talking about. Is it direct ballet to the president or to his party. Yes, it’s possible to win 100% seats if government in Canada. It does not mean, 100 % people voted for the same guy.

          In Eritrea (assuming we are taking about Eritrean constitution that was ratified) people are do not vote the president directly, but instead they vote the representatives. So it’s possible PFDJ to win 100% of the electoral votes (the majority).

          And I read the Tigray election (if it’s like Ethiopian) election in the same manner.

          Pure, Nitricc you are thinking, 98% of the Tigray population:).

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; if there was an election in Canada do you thing there will be 98% victory? this what i am saying. you have different standard for the west and for Africa, again this is the perfect illustration of African Mentality. Now, do you buy the 98% of the thugs? answer me please.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            No I don’t have different standard. In Canada the landslide victory was 64%. I am not sure how to explain to you. Sorry you need to take probability.

            I am saying it’s possible. I did not count them and I am not saying it’s accurate or not.

            As I said, many times, what’s important is there will be election in Tigray going forward and that will give the opportunity to remove TPLF from power, next time around if the people so wish for.

            The problem with you is, you have no confidence in Eritrean people ability to do what’s right. For example:

            1) Eritrea should not put Aware statue in Asmara because others will demand as well. You think the people are a bunch of kids who fight for candy. Awate is my hero as much as he is the hero of his ethnic people. I can say the sane think about Wolwol or Ibrahim Sultan or Kebire. Not only that they deserve the highest honour if we can we should build like Mount Rushmore for them.

            2) Eritrean people should not have election because the people of divided based on ethnic or what ever differences we have. Sure there may be some, but it should deter us from proceeding.

            3) on the other hand you see no no problem with the current government and the void it could leave behind if something happens to the president. There is no Vice President, there is no parliament, no Supreme Court, no succession policy. It could be a total failure..

            Simply put get your priorities together, stop barking at the wrong tree.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; don’t get disappear on me; have ever witnessed 98% approval on democratic election. it is simple, yes or no, please.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc, I am volunteering to help Berhe

            Yes I have seen about the same percentage: Eritrean referendum but I wish we voted 100% for independence.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SG; that was a referendum and there is a different between that and democratic political election. They are two different things. Since you throw your self in to this, have ever witnessed a political party wining by 98% in a democratic election, sir.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Eritrea referendum was 99.8% says no to slavery, only 0.2% says yes for slavery so we can say 100%.
            the tigrai election shows or means nothing but it shows the people of tigrai and tplf r one and same, i have said that long ago.

          • Nitricc

            Eritrea referendum was 99.8% says no to slavery, only 0.2% says yes for slavery.

            hi Teddy, I am trying to respect for Ethiopians but you guys are dumb. The question was do you want another Una, ShiEb, weki-duba and the rest of the mascaraing villages or not no and the people of Eritrea said no. The end, if you have to, do your homework.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            1st u r the dumbest person ever who reputedly played by 80 yeas and over years old old guys the likes of aboy sebehat over and over again.
            2nd, the eri referendum choice was A, freedom( from slavery)
            B, slavery(barenet)?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; i know you are Ethiopian therefor dumb. all i am saying is educate yourself what happened to Eritreans by your successive Ethiopian governments. One thing true is i am the dumbest person, i agree, but when Eritreans voted, they knew what they are voting for. Again my advice is educate your self before talking about something you have no clue for. Again, do you know what happened on Ouna?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            What happened to. Ouna ? Let me guess, murder, mass killing , …… I’m sure it is done by eritrean Commando or. By eris inside ethiopia army.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            Fight with Nitricc all day and all year. But please do not insult us. In case you are interested, this an eye-witness account of what happened in Ona:http://awate.com/ona-nine-meter-shroud/

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I’m not trying to insult anyone, specially u but eye witness? I heard a lot of eye witness account of what happened to ethiopians in eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I will not engage with meandering arguments that keep branching out. Instead of accepting your mistake. if you change the subject..not an honest debate,

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            What i’m saying is , at the time when i came back to ethiopia from egypt, i by myself witnessed a lot deportees homeless ethiopians from in eritrea in the streets of addis and in homeless shelter and i heard a lot of stories how ethiopians was killed and treated badly. I also know how politicians used this kind of stories for thier advantage.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            My topic was Ona. Finish that and the man raise another topic if you wish. That is the only way you discuss to teach and learn. Jumping doesn’t do it.

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Glad to see you defending Eritreans from unnecessary insults.
            This is what Nitricc said which you somehow overlooked ;
            “Hi Teddy; i know you are Ethiopian therefor dumb,…”

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            You are totally wrong. I don’t know who created the “Barennet” fiction but the choices were two 1) YES, and 2) NO.

            you said that twice in about one hour. If you keep repeating that, you have a problem you must solve.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            The choose was 1,yes for nesenet 2, yes for barenet.
            And eris voted 99.8%

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            When asked about the referendum, former Ambassador Haile Menqorios said at a news conference ( I believe at Ghion Hotel) , ሰላሳ አመት የተዋጋነው ለባርነት አይደለም”.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            I can’t defend what every Eritrean individual said or didn’t say. I can neither defend or confirm what you say Menkerios said. I was not there and didn’t see it in any form.

            But Tedros claimed the polling card had two choices: independence or slavery. I challenge his claim because I was a member of the voting committee, I know the card, and his claim is not true. That’s all I said. As for insulting Ethiopians or anyone else for that matter, it has become a pandemic with a few and give us sometime, we will enforce new guidelines. WE either debate decently or there is no point in continuing when decency is overlooked and there is a disregard for the forum. I hope our colleagues in the forum will restrain themselves and make sure they do not cross the line of decency.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            You can’t possibly dismiss what an ambassador said during a press conference as an individual rambling.
            When asked about the fate of Eritreans in Ethiopia after the referendum, Tamrat Layne said, “እንደ ኤክስፐርት እንጠቀምባቸዋለን”. Soon after that press conference, there was an article on ጦቢያ magazine warning Eritreans that their new status as experts could be revoked anytime and they could be shipped out Ethiopia anytime their expertise was not needed anymore. The article argued that there should be a better legal status than being “experts “ only. This is how the article roughly put it: ኤክስፐርት ማለት የአገሪቱ ዜጋ ሊሰራ የማይችለውን ስራ የሚሰራ የውጭ አገር ዜጋ ነው:: ስለዚህ ቀጣሪው አገር ባለሙያውን ካልፈለገው በማንኛውም ሰአት ከአገር ሊያባርረው ይችላል:: The article argued based on Ethiopian Citizenship Law that prohibits dual citizenship.
            I’m bringing this to show you the coordinated actions by the two irresponsible ወንበዴዎች ( eprdf/eplf) during the honeymoon period of independence. The coordinated propaganda was deafening. Eritreans bragged about their overnight “expert” status while their useless ambassador continued his ነፃነት/ባርነት ዝባዝንኬ. Looking back, both governments failed Eritreans. Eprdf was paving the way to kick out Eritreans. Eplf was busy agitating Eritreans while busy looting Ethiopia. Eritreans were bragging about their new found expert status while dancing and high-fiving.

            Since I haven’t seen the voting card and you have participated in the voting process, I just believe you in this case. However, if the campaign slogan was ነፃነት ወይም ባርነት , it doesn’t really matter what was printed on the face of the voting cards.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            Still I am on the choices given on the ballot ticket. There was no slavery choice there. Let’s end that first. Thank yiu

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            A very weak, convenient but not convincing response by your standards.
            I believe you miserably failed in properly explaining the pros and cons of the referendum.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. So now your are comparing referendum to multi-party general election end-result percentages? Common man, you can do better than that.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dongolo,
            In any case when the truth of a percentage is questioned, it is usually this: how probable is it? Both cases are similar.

          • Nitricc

            Both cases are similar.

            really SG? Are saying what you have witnessed in Una and the low-lives of TPLF thugs Hungary for power, thieves, corrupted and scum bugs are similar to Shieib and Weki-duba? sir, you are messed up like the freaking TPLF thugs, it is sad.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sorry Nitricc,
            I will not engage unless you stick to the point and control your adjectives…. and branching out.

        • Aligaz G

          General,

          People are pretending not to understand the implications of winning by 98%. Stuffing ballot boxes is not a mark of legitimacy nor does it build democracy. TPLF has always been undemocratic and specializes in rigging elections thus it insisted on running it’s own elections. This shows how much it was worried either of being legitimately voted out or being finessed out by the federal election board. Now the fact our buddies in this forum cannot acknowledge the fact that TPLF just stole Tigreans votes in broad daylight might show what they have in mind when they speak about elections, constitutions and democracy for Eritrea.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            I know you this response, but when you said :

            “Now the fact our buddies in this forum cannot acknowledge the fact that TPLF just stole Tigreans votes in broad daylight might show what they have in mind when they speak about elections, constitutions and democracy for Eritrea. “

            I want to clarify what I wanted to say. But I would say, you should be worried of what he wanted for Eritrean people, no election, democracy or snatching for Eritrean people but his darling IA to continue to rule like king the rest of his life.

            His plan before the election was (game over plan)
            – Use force or other means (cut budget, cut road access) and chock of Tigray and stop them by force.
            – When Abiy failed to deliver, he gave him all kind of names.
            – Now he switched his argument and is focusing on the results.
            – my argument is any election is better than no election because in the process things change and eventually it will get better.

            In 1980 Quebec had a referendum to stay or leave the federation. The results were, 60 % to stay and 40% to leave. The leader of the separatist party, Rene Levesque said “until next tine”

            In 1994 they had another vote. And the results were 51% to stay and 49% to leave.

            1) For Eritrea, my wish is free and fair elections and democratic system like the rest of the world have. So don’t make an assumption and come to the conclusion that people wanted. If EPLF has run an election in 1993, I can say confidently it could have won over 90%, without stealing anything.

            2) 98% election win:

            It’s very doubtful after so many years TPLF being in power that it could win at all let alone 98%. If Nitricc argument was that, I don’t think anyone is arguing with him, including I. In my case, my argument is, it’s possible they can win by that margin but that as it may, I think it’s important that there was an election that could pave the way for next election with different results.

            Botswana is credit for having one of the best democracy in Africa. The governing party, BDP has been in power since independence and winning majority until today, the first election over 80% win.

            Paul Kagame won by 98% last election.

            My point is, it’s better that there is election as suppose not having won. I NEVER congratulate TPLF for winning the election but congratulate the Tigray people for conducting a successful election. I didn’t even know what the results were.

            As far as I am concerned it’s the right path.

            As to Abiy and those who oppose it having the election, why can’t use the low and argue and challenge it? There is no I that can challenge them? It appears to be there is none or he doesn’t want to go that route.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            አንድ ጥያቄ ለመመለስ ከካናዳ ጀምረህ በኩቤክ አቋርጠህ ኤርትራን ለመጎብኘት ቆም አልክና ጉዞህን ወደ ቦትስዋና አቀናህ:: እዚያም ትጥቅና ስንቅህን አሟልተህ በሩዋንዳ አሳበርክና ረጅሙንና አላስፈላጊ ጉዞህን ትግራይ ላይ ደመደምከው! መቼስ ዞሮ ዞሮ ከቤት አይደል?
            ወንድምዓለም ዓለምን በ “Hot air balloon” ስትዞር ጥያቄውን ረስተህ እኔን ውዱን ወንድምህን አጏጉተህ ጠያቂህንም ችላ ብለህ አድናቂዎችህን አሳፍረህ አረፍከው:: በል አሁን ትንሽ አፈርም አረፍም ብለህ ፊኛህን አስተንፍስና ጥያቄውን ለመመለስ ሞክር::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            The question was answered in #1. Read again. The rest is supplemental info.

            Enough of this TPLF and their election, good luck to you all.

            From now on, once I figured out this google translate thing, I am going to ask my self, should I reply to Nitricc / TA or should I translate another 10 phrases on google translate.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Answering questions directly is not your highest quality. You fly around the world not to answer a single question. I think you got it from Isu.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Can you please ask me the question again? I really don’t.

            Abi, please. Stop this shoot and run approach. Munew, dar, dar Bicha.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Never mind brother. I don’t want you to launch yourself to the moon searching for a long , winding and unrelated answers. Besides, I don’t have the courage to go through the pain reading your winding hateta.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Sometimes you just like to run with it. You don’t even know what the question was if there was one.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Ras,

            Isu is an honest dictator but these guys on the other hand are dishonest dictators. Why pretend in an anonymous setting? LOL

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            “The problem with this world is the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid are full of confidence “ – Charles Bukowski

          • Aligaz G

            Ras,

            Politicians are vultures they are below considerations of intelligence.

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            I agree. And those pretending to be justice seekers while looking for leftovers from the vultures are parasites.

          • Admassie

            Selam Berhe Y.

            Your context and conlusion are clear. There is no confusion and thank you for that.

            The problem is, for some, any positive achivement related to TPLF must be always mudded.

            The result of the election:
            In addition to all what you said,
            A. It is possible that TPLF could win by 98% or more votes with out rigging. In addition to electing representatives of the coming five years, I believe, the election’s underlying issue is defying Abiy’s and the Federal states’s unconstitutional decision to nullifying the election. There is a strong sense of protest against the decision and, therefore, there could not be a better way for the people of Tigray than rally behind TPLF in showing their stand.

            B. Again for some, it is TPLF getting 98%, 99% or 100% vote which is undemocratic. The 100% win of EPRDF in the last election was mocked as undemocratic until Abiy came to power. Because TPLF was part of the power equation. Whereas now, no one says Abiy is udemocratic and illegal though his power is emanated from that rigged 100% election result. Even he extended his undemocratic power by the help of the HoF, a house elected by the same rigged vote . But no one seems to care as long as it is not TPLF.

            C. If Abiy was the one who won 101%, well, his supporters would have ululated to their full high note for the work of the miracle that has been revealed to the ሰባተኛው ንጉሥ😂😂 ” 101%! አቤት አቤት አቤት ፈጣሪ…የአብይ አምላክ ምን ይሳነዋል! የሚገርም ድንቅ ተዓምር! እልልልልል…. !!!” 😂😂😂

            Admassie A.

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            ጀግናው የትግራይ ህዝብ በህወሃት መሪነት የእራሱን እድል በራሱ ወስኖ ሲገነጠል በሆታና በደመቀ እልልታ ወደ አዲሲቷ አገር እንሸኛችኇለን::
            እልልልልልልልልልልልልልልልልልል…….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራስ አቢ፡

            በቅድሚያ እስኪ እንደወጉ ‹እንኳን ለአዲሱ ዓመት በሰላም አደረስዎት!› ልበል፡፡
            አዬ ጌታው ሁሉም በየቤቱ ነው ያለው፡፡ ሸኝ አያስፈልግ፡፡ እርስዎስ ምን በወጣዎት ይደክማሉ! (ሲሸኙኝ ማየት ካላማርዎት በቀር፡-)) እንዲያው “ወደቀ ሲሉት ተሰበረ” ሆኖ ነው እንጂ ይሄ መከረኛ የትግራይ ህዝብ እንደ ሁልጊዜው “ኢትዮጵያ ከኢትዮጵያ አትገነጠለም” ማለቱን በምርጫው አረጋግጧል – ወያኔን በመምረጥ፡፡ የትግራይ ህዝብ የመገንጠል አጀንዳ ኖሮት አያውቅም ለዚህም የመገንጠል አጀንዳ የያዘውን ውናት (የትግራይ ነጻነት ድርጅት)ን አልመረጠም!

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            እንኳን አደረሰዎ እንዳልል ድንገት ወደ ፈረንጅኛ ተቀይራችሁ እንዳይሆን ፍርሃት ቢያድርብኝ እንጂ ነው አያ!
            እንደው ነገሩ “ብጥለው ገለበጠኝ” ሆኖ እንጂ እንደው እርስዎን ለመሰለ ከሰማይ ለከበደ አስተዋይ የልጅ አዋቂ ጠፍቶዎት ነው ሙሽራን እልል ብሎ መሸኘት ደንብ መሆኑ? ሙሽራን መሸኘት , ጎጆ መውጫ እንደአቅመኛ መደጎም ከአባቶቻችን ሲወርድ የመጣ ባህላችን ነው:: ሙሽራን መርቀን እመንገድ ሸኝተን “ሎጋው ሽቦ” እያልን ነው እንጂ የምንመለስ እንዴት ዝም ብለን እንመለከታለን?

            አድባር ትቀበላችሁ
            ወገን ይደግፋችሁ
            በሆታ እልልታ እንደሸኘናችሁ
            ቃል እንገባለን መጥተን ላናያችሁ

          • Aligaz G

            Admassie,

            You are condescending and setting a low bar for your own people. 98% percent is fake but then TPLF has long proven the point is not democracy after all. Anti-democratic entities can hardly be expected to care about real elections. You are being judged on your own merits.

          • Admassie

            Selam Aligaz,

            Practicing democracy starts from the bottom. There is no other way. Fake is setting a higher bar and creating a false expectation far from the reality on the ground. That is what Abiy is doing. If TPLF is anti democratic entity which is not capable of democratic elections because it proved us in the past, so are Abiy, Demek and their party who are the remnants of the undemocratic OPDO, ANDM and others who won a rigged election by 100%.

          • Aligaz G

            Admassie,

            The democratic credentials of Abiy and Demeke are irrelevant when we consider the fake elections in Tigrai. Nice try. Incidentally TPLF which portrays itself as a maxist vanguard party is the furthest one can get from a bottom up democratic entity. Why do you insist on fooling yourself?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Aligaz G
            we all know tigrai election means fake and mean nothing to ethiopia but i want u see it this way, tigrai voted 100% for tplf means tigrai voted 100% for debresion, aboy sebeha, abby sehaye, sium mesfin, meaning the people of tigrai and tplf r one and same meaning the people of tigrai have confidence with tplf meaning the people of tigrai will listen whatever tplf has to say..
            note, tplf knows its interest , tplf knows the potential of tigrai and the rest of ethiopia and each kilil and city administration.

          • Admassie

            Selam Aligaz,

            አንተው ታመጣው አንተው ታሮጠው፡፡
            You demanded an elevated democracy bar as a standard but you want to apply it only to a selected entity. Abiy’s and Demeke’s credential is relevant if your critic of the Tigray election is based on principle.

          • Aligaz G

            Admassie,

            There is only one kind of democracy but you wouldn’t know that. Incidentally you are free to criticize Abi it doesnt bother me one bit you are trying to change topics in your desperation. How much do you get paid?

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            ሁለት ቁና የቆሎ ገብስ 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Ras,

            I think the going rate is 2 Satoshi’s and a dead soul. Don’t underestimate this mafia group.

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            The going rate is getting cheaper. It used to be a free air ticket and lodgings. The funds are quickly depleting!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራስ አቢ
            ጨዋነት በመልካሙ ጊዜ ብቻ ሳይሆን በጎረበጠም ጊዜ ነውና፡ ነውርን የጠየፉ፡፡

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            ሰበካውን ገታ ያድርጉና ሻንጣዎን በጊዜ ይጠርፉ:: ከጎረበጠዎትም ከድልዳሉ ይጨምሩበት እንጂ እኔን ምን አድርግ ይሉኛል:: እርስዎ እንደቅርንጫፍ ተገንጥዬ ልውደቅ ባሉ ቁጥር እኔን እንድደነግጥ ከጅለው ኖሯል? አይሳሳቱ ጌታው!
            “እንኳን ለሙቅ ለገንፎም አንደነግጥ!”

          • Admassie

            Selam Aligaz,

            Ah here again:
            “How much do you get paid?”
            “የጎጃም ደብተራ ቅኔው ሲያልቅበት ቀረረቶ ለቀቀበት ይሉሃል ይሄው ነው፡፡
            The person who preaches the highest bar in practicing democracy can not stand difference!

          • Aligaz G

            Admassie,

            Let me repeat it is your prerogative to follow TPLF’s party line. But try to be more convincing next time or else say something entertaining. You are boring.

          • Consolation

            Selam Admassie,

            I believe, the election’s underlying issue is defying Abiy’s and the Federal states’s unconstitutional decision to nullifying the election.

            If that was the goal, then they should have done a better job of conducting a clean election. But I think they were not sure of their ground and so turned to their dirty tricks thereby shooting themselves in the foot. The election has become a joke. They are telling the world that over 10,000,000 ballots were cast and that they were able to count and tabulate the result overnight. That is so nonsensical that it alone should invalidate the election.

            BTW, we don’t see Tigrayans in a jubilant mood. If anything, they seem to have descended into depression wondering if their defiance might not turn out to be too costly for just returning to the status quo of TPLF in power!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Consolation,

            You have Said: (a) Tigrayans were not in jubilant mood (b) The election was a joke. But foreign reporters proved it otherwise, that they were jubilant and peaceful without violence. See what Reuter has to say below.

            “”Polls are now closed and the vote happened without violence or complaints. People were jubilant and peaceful. Turnout was over 97%,” said Muluwork Kidanemariam, head of the regional electoral commission. Results will be announced by Sept. 13.” [Reuters]

            You have said that the total ballots were 10 million. Let alone the voting age of the population, they don’t have a total of population of 10 million. The total ballots is 2,633,848 and here is the ballots of the 5 parties they got.

            TPLF = 2,590,620
            National congres = 20,839
            TIP 18,479
            Third revolt = 3,136
            ADP = 776
            ——————
            Total = 2,633,848

            Consolation, pls don’t misinform the public.

            regards

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            Each voter was issued 4 ballots. So since 2,590,620 people reportedly voted (although that is probably a lie), there were 10,382,480 ballots cast. In other words, at the end of voting, the black boxes contained 10,382,480 pieces of paper (ballots) to be counted.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Consolation,

            Don’t try to be an “Eritrean Trump” for the sake of your integrity.

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            You seem to be confused. You may find it odd but remember that we are dealing with the TPLF, a bunch of illiterate thugs. I will try again. Each voter could vote for up to four candidates. So the number of ballots was four times the number of voters. If you have been following the news, the initial report had fractions because they were obtained by dividing by four. So please contact you TPLF friends to explain to you what I am saying!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ደባስ
            ባጎኒታት ህግደፍ
            ሕፍረቶም ዘጥፍኡ
            ናታቶም ክፋእ
            ኣብ ጊባቦ ሓብኡ

            ናይ ካልኦት መዓርግ የናሽዉ
            ኣርካናት ህግሓኤ
            ኣበይ ከምዘለዉ
            ይፈልጡ ዶ?

            ይፈልጡ ‘ወ ከመይ ዘይፈለጡ
            ዔላ-ዒሮ ኣብ ጉድጓድ ካብ ዝኣትዉ
            ዕስራ ዓመታት ሓሊፉ
            ሕጂ ድማ
            ንናይ ካልኦት መሰል ይነቕፉ
            ወረ ይዝልፉ

            እዝስ ሕማም ርእሲ ጥራይ ክኸውን ኣለዎ

          • Consolation

            Selamat

            መሲሉካ መኽሰቢ
            ተበልካ ውሕ ከም ከልቢ
            ንብለካ ልቢ’ዕቢ
            ክድምና የብሉን ዓስቢ።

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Thanks for the precise information.
            I am reading elsewhere, as to what the Eritrean referendum choice was. Can you, if you have it the precise words (in English) were on that vote.
            Please, don’t read too much in to my question, just the information.

            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            Short summary of the Eritrean referendum:

            The votes were casted as “Yes” or “No” for independence.
            Registered voters = 1,173,706
            turn out = 1,102,410 = 98.5%
            Yes – votes = 1,100,260 = 99.8%
            N0 – votes = 1822 = 0.17%

            regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I appreciate the information you provided. Haile S. also provided along with Berhe H. the information on the referendum ballot.
            Haile S. said that a picture is worth a thousand words and I think for our purposes he is right.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            Did you really expect to see ባርነት/ ነፃነት on the ballot?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,

            No, I didn’t. I think somewhere on this thread I explained.
            However, I never looked at the exact verbiage either. Now I do. I think it is good for everyone to see it and will never be an item of discussion at this university level in the future.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            The exact wording of the Eritrean referendum was:

            To cast a vote, a ballot with the question 'Do you want Eritrea to be independent?', written in Tigrinia (Eritrean language) and Arabic, is given to a voter who has to show his voting card and other pertinent papers (24 Apr. 1993).

            Here is a link where you can read more, weather the referendum made any reference to “freedom” or “slavery”. It looks like a lie has repeated many times, it prompted someone to investigate.

            https://www.refworld.org/docid/3df4be300.html

            Funny how Ras Abi is the only person attended the press conference at Ghion hotel and heard the Eritrean Ambassador uttering those words.

            When asked about the referendum, former Ambassador Haile Menqorios said at a news conference ( I believe at Ghion Hotel) , ሰላሳ አመት የተዋጋነው ለባርነት አይደለም".

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y.,

            Thanks for your response together with all the pertinent information. Just for the record, even though I have heard the Freedom vs Slavery choices, I never bought in to that. After all it took a long time 1991-1993 to cross the t and dot the i to establish a sovereign nation.
            That means hundreds of lawyers all over (U.N) looking and working to answer all questions.
            So at the end of it I didn’t expect anything like Freedom vs Slavery.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            When I was following the day to day politics closely during the referendum, you were tending goats half asleep. That is the difference between you and yours truly.
            Some people pay attention to details, others roam around the world aimlessly pretending knowledgeable.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I know what I was doing 28 years ago and for sure I wasn’t crying about Eritrea separation but celebrating independence.

            I am sure you were having a sole press conference with the ambassador at ghion hotel, where there exist none copy of the press.

            You know what I think, while the Eritreans were celebration independence, you were zebeNa / guard / Tebaqi of some rich Eritrean.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            28 years ago you were dancing celebrating the independence hoax. You have been crying for the last 27 years.

            You are absolutely right that I was devastated 28 years ago. Now I celebrate Independence Day with you. The difference is you celebrate the day like “የሙት አመት” from a community ለቅሶ ቤት.
            የአይተ ንፃነት ሃያ ሰባተኛ የሙት አመት ስለሚከበር ቶሮንቶ ኤርትራውያን ማህበር ሻይ ቤት ተገኝታችሁ ተዝካር እንድታወጡ እናሳስባለን!!!
            አሉታ ኮንቱኑዋ!!!

            The last part of your comment is somehow true. I was a ጠባቂ / ዘበኛ for this beautiful Eritrean girl I worshipped. I’m still a proud ጠባቂ /guard for the same beautiful lady for almost 30 years.
            Hold on a little while I tell her I love her and I miss her and I am honored to be her guard!
            I will get back to you. The line to Addis is annoying…

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            28 years ago you were certainly not dancing. You have not, in fact, danced for the past 28 years. And the way things are going on, you will end your miserable life dreaming about Assab. People like you who covet what is not theirs deserve all the misery they get!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            Definitely you are slow today. I just told you that I was devastated. You were the one dancing on the streets with your consolation prize, a rusty port.
            The former vibrant port city turned a stinky camels sanctuary should be registered on Guinness world records as the most useless consolation prize.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            From now on, anything you said about the good ambassador is your made up story and no body should take you seriously.

            Keep you ZebeNa job for ever, it’s beautiful and you are doing great.

            Eritrea best days are ahead, a country that created such a beautiful treasures that you still guard, sure deserves better days. And you are welcome to visit anytime.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Are you defending the ambassador who turned his embassy to a money laundering መደብር? Your standards and expectations from your representatives are amazingly low.
            I don’t think he is Eritrean anymore. He was Ethiopian ,American, Martian, Eritrean, South African, … Tired of listing all his citizenships. He is just like you wandering around the world. My dog is millions times more loyal than that ወስላታ guy.

            The treasure I’m guarding with my life is born and raised in the great nation of Ethiopia. Sorry.
            Thanks for the invitation.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            We have heard so many made up allegations and so many made up accusation. We heard, Eritreans were “pulling gold from Ethiopians golden teeth”. We even heard that, Eritrea was ranked ahead of Ethiopia in coffee exports.

            He is a career diplomat good enough for the world highest organization serving under two general secretaries. What ever mud you shoot at him, it will not stick. His records speaks for itself.

            I don’t like to make this personal and involve families but so does the other 70 thousands Eritreans of Ethiopia origin deported on the Ethiopian government issued passports “deported never to return”. You are still justifying the inhuman deportation as a mare technical matter “Ethiopia doesn’t allow dual citizenship”. I wonder what she feels about her relatives who were deported empty hands, separated for no fault of their own.

            I hate to break to you and I know the potential and hard work of Ethiopian people, if they were left alone to mind their own business and get the opportunities they deserve to better themselves. But what can they do when they are left with people like you, Sint Hodam, holding them back.

            Let’s not pretend Ethiopia is, like South Korea, China or the Saudi Arabia that it has stash of hard currency that it had excess to be stolen.

            All it’s economy is based on Macheberber by people like you (as you call it Air be Air). It imports 5 times more than it exports. Most if not all of it’s economy was and is based on foreign aid. If it wasn’t for the world donation, it would not even last a single year without collapsing it’s economy.

            So stop bragging and start working.

            Berhe

            Here is the facts according the CIA fact sheet:

            Exports:
            $3.23 billion (2017 est.)

            Imports:
            $15.59 billion (2017 est.)

            Countries export to:
            Sudan 23.3%, Switzerland 10.2%, China 8.1%, Somalia 6.6%, Netherlands 6.2%, US 4.7%, Germany 4.7%, Saudi Arabia 4.6%, UK 4.6% (2017)

            export commodities;
            coffee (27%, by value), oilseeds (17%), edible vegetables including khat (17%), gold (13%), flowers (7%), live animals (7%), raw leather products (3%), meat products (3%)

            Imports - partners
            China 24.1%, Saudi Arabia 10.1%, India 6.4%, Kuwait 5.3%, France 5.2% (2017)

            Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
            $3.013 billion (31 December 2017 est.)

            Let’s compare that with Eritrea, despite all the hardship it faced “internally and externally by sanctions imposed by Ethiopia”.


            Exports:
            $624.3 million (2017 est.)

            Imports:
            $1.127 billion (2017 est.)

            Countries export to:
            China 62%, South Korea 28.3% (2017)

            export commodities;
            gold and other minerals, livestock, sorghum, textiles, food, small industry manufactures

            Imports - partners
            UAE 14.5%, China 13.2%, Saudi Arabia 13.2%, Italy 12.9%, Turkey 5.6%, South Africa 4.6% (2017)

            Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
            $236.7 million (31 December 2017 est.)

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Sorry for keeping you waiting.
            Funny while I was on the phone with my treasure you traveled around the world. You imported, exported, checked your gold reserves, you visited countries near and far…and ended up on planet Mars.
            Call me when you get back.
            I will pick up your call if you promise me to stay on topic and most importantly stay on planet earth.
            እዋይ!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You know, I don’t take you seriously. Because you like to accuse people and but you don’t bother to provide evidence to substantiate your accusations. And all the deflection arguments (stay on topic etc) it is a tactic to get out of the challenges you put yourself in when confronted.

            For someone who self praise him self “pays attention to detail”, this is really weak counter argument. You should 10 times more evidence to present. I will pay attention to your posts related to sports from now on and forget about your pollical views.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You need supportive evidences?
            I promise to give you if you pay attention and stay on topic.
            Saleh Gadi Johar has a detailed article on this very topic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It’s ok. I will pay attention to your liverpool and Arsenal discussion with David from now on.

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,

            ‘Zebegna’ and ‘Chika abuki’ was their main profession.

          • Sultan

            Berhe Tsaida:
            Almost 28 yrs later, the likes of Kim Hanna claim that the vote was between slavery vs freedom when every banner through the referendum sites was saying Yes or No to the Independence of Eritrea!
            But the worst irony of ironies or the hypocrisy of hypocrisies was/is when few Eritreans argued that the options were limited or restricted!
            I was there !

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I think you mean Abi. Kim didn’t say such things, he just asked to see/read the exact wording used.

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Got you Berhe; and thanks.
            Corrected.But that deliberate mis- interpretation was wide spread among Ethiopians including among some Eritrean Losers.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I never heard any Eritrean saying that. Please kab ruEsom wured.

            There were some Eritreans, who refused to get ID card with EPLF on it and asked if they can vote with their own ID but they were refused and as a result they chose not to Participate as a matter of principle.

            EPLF is the resin they went in exile and forcing them to have ID with EPLF, I don’t think it would make sense.

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Berhe:
            If u never heard about it does not mean they did not say it.
            Don’t tell me also that u don’t know that quite a few X-ELF members refused to have an Eri ID and to vote for the referendum.
            But the EPLF was the de facto GoE since then.
            The precondition or requirement to vote for a Referendum was having an ERI ID.
            Dumb as it might sound.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            If you are saying they said the referendum was for freedom or slavery, it’s first time I am hearing it. I am sorry I misunderstood you.

            It’s referendum, and it’s a choice. They can vote, yes, no or abstain.

            There was no EPLF government at the time but a provisional Eritrean government.

            The ID card could have been a “Provisional Eritrean government ID”. But Isayas being Isayas, he pays attention to this kind of evil grudges.

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Sultan, just for your information, 21 Eritrean fighters voted ‘No’ for Eritrean Independence. I suspect your demigod DIA is one.

          • Selam Berhe,
            This article doesn’t seem to be from the UNHCR, but from a Canadian observation delegation to Eritrea.
            Nevertheless, do you rule out that the choice between “slavery and freedom” or for example, between “backwardness and development” or anything else, could have been used as an instrument of propaganda at the eritrean community level? It was necessary to show that independence was a unanimous decision of the people and not only the decision of eplf and tplf.
            Even though Eplf/Tplf were the sole decision-makers of the day, it may not be an easy matter to express it as a choice between freedom and slavery to the world community from whom they expected economic aid and other things. But, who could prohibit them if they did it in private in the community, although what was said and done then doesn’t have any significance today.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I didn’t say it’s a UN document and I saw the note that it’s Canadian document but on the UN page. I don’t think it makes a difference on the accuracy.

            Nevertheless, do you rule out that the choice between “slavery and freedom” or for example, between “backwardness and development” or anything else, could have been used as an instrument of propaganda at the Eritrean community level?

            Please take time to see google and see the documentary by Yven Patry “Massawa bombing 1990, English”. It was aired on ABC news with Ted Couple in 1990 after EPLF took over Massawa and the bombing that followed. I don’t know where you were and I don’t if you knew about this, but I can tell you, every Eritrean on every part of the world knew about this and saw this video and pictures.

            Haile S. had shared a similar video by a French documentary from the 1970s. We only know saw these because they were documented and captured in film. As far as Eritrean people are concerned, nothing has changed.

            I had my own story to relate and so does every Eritrean for that matter.

            Do you think it would make any difference what was said in “community” centers, when the people have personal stories of the loss of loved once.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            berhe
            Trust me when i say this, all that bombardment in massawa, Ouna and other places were meant to protect u eritreans from backwardness, slavery, from being organ spare parts, poverty and so on, it wasn’t meant to harm u guys, so no ethiopians will feel sorry about it.

          • NewDawn

            Adgi Teodros, why are you still allowed to poison this forum with your disgusting remarks especially towards Eritreans in an Eritrean forum?

            Do something more useful in your spare time, ask your kids to teach you some proper english grammar and spelling, assuming they haven’t inherited your dumb mind.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            I don’t expect anything better from you. Thank you for letting me know you deep hate for human lives. I don’t lose hope, Ethiopia is made up of people like Admassie, Fanti, Amde, Kim and other fine people.

            I will never mention your name ever again.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Berhe
            My man , i don’t know how u translate protecting eris from “shefeta” means hate for human lives? Shafta is the one that has hate for human lives, as always u guys think upside down, that is the problem of u guys thinking.
            Off course there is collateral damage in every war and when u feel sorry for ethiopians, maybe i will consider it.

          • Selam Consolation,
            The elections have already become a hot potato in the hands of tplf. Some tplf officials are saying that the world is laughing at 98.2%.
            In addition, there is a disagreement in the 20% of seats tplf had voted in a new law to give to the other participating parties. While some are saying that the 20% should be given to these parties as promised, some others are saying that the seats should not be given, because tplf won 98.2%. How is it possible tplf should have only 80% of the seats while it has won almost all of the votes. If done so it will show that the elections were indeed fake and therefore a laughing matter.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Admassie A.,

            I sometimes have this unenviable and lonely position between you and Ras Abi most of the time in regard to Tigray politics.

            I do have a silver lining in the aftermath of this election.

            A) There was a party advocating for Tigray total independence that was competing for votes and by hook or crook they were totally rejected. That was so great and hopeful, in my book.
            I would vote NO for an an independent Amhara Republic, if it ever comes up. That is such a harmful idea for the people of Ethiopia.

            B) If we calmly look at the lesson of this election chasm, an election conducted in the middle of a pandemic, however debatable it was, this particular history will serve as a warning flashing light in to the future importance and significance of elections.
            In the future, Federal government will be careful in NOT conducting the timely election because of heavy rain or other made up excuse. All Ethiopians understand election was conducted even during a pandemic. A exclamation point made in history.

            Mr. K.H

          • Aligaz G

            KH,

            They had a historical opportunity to run free and fair elections but no they had to win 98%. Boundless stupidity

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            Thank you for the sober analysis and understanding. My understanding was similar of the election.

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Selam Kim,
            Compare if you will:
            23 yrs ago dictator Isaias of Eritrea instigated war with Ethiopia just to avoid implementation of constitution and a follow-up election. What befalls on Eritreans afterwards is tragedy of epic proportion. 20,000+ dead, half a million exiled, most able bodies of the country in slavery and tens of thousands languishing in prison. The tragedy is continuing and the easy way out for all this and ironically future failures is ‘TPLF’.
            Well, not only that TPLF conducted election in the middle of a pandemic but despite hostilities from the government of Abiy and pfdj.
            Indeed exclamation point made in history. Impressive.

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Kagame is a known dictator so ridiculous margins are to be expected. But a contested free and fair democratic election (not a referendum) can never yield stupid margins – consider this the zeroth law of functional democracies. Incidentally people have voted religiously since the Emperor’s time but so far no democracy only the mechanical excercise of running fake or irrelevant elections and no lack of practice.

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            Are you saying that it was not the decision of tplf but the wish of the people of tigray to carry out the elections during Covid-19 epidemic? Where does the decision for elections come from, from tplf or the people of tigray? Don’t you think that the people of tigray did simply what the dictatorial and authoritarian tplf ordered them to do, and the results reflect that, i.e. tplf’s complete control over tigray and its people.
            It was a perfect example of elections under dictatorship where the expected sole winner, tplf in this case, took >98% of the votes. Look at other elections under dictatorship? Most of the time the results are >90% for the dictators. Compare that with elections in democracies. Therefore, I don’t see why the people of tigray should be congratulated when tplf is insulting their intelligence in front of the world community?
            How can you talk about the law when tplf is ignoring the federal government, the ethiopian parliament and the house of federations. You go to the court of law when the other party respects and abides by the law. Here is a regime that has mutinied against the government and its institutions.
            Tplf militarism, chauvinism, supremacism, arrogance, ignorance, etc, have blinded it and made it dangerously irrational. At the same time these are its Achilles heel, that will bring its final demise rather than its greatness.
            The aim is to save the people of tigray from tplf adventurism, and not to pay the rogue regime with the same coin.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I didn’t say it’s the people decision to hold the election. I think it’s the party / state government who decided but the people participated.

            Where the people forced to vote? I don’t know to be sure but I didn’t think that was the case.

            Anyway I said enough on this topic.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Advice for you
            If you don’t know something for sure, just keep quiet. Let those who bragged about their trusted resources tell us about the impressive election. Let’s give them a week or two to collect their thoughts. May be you will be allowed to join as a backup dancer.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,
            I suppose you know what you are talking about. I will go with David Solomon decision now and will wait until Abiy conducts election.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Good idea. Do not bite more than you chew. You unsuccessfully tried to analyze something you have got no idea about. It was painful watching you struggling to explain yourself. You traveled all over the world searching for something totally unrelated.
            You must be exhausted. Take a break.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            The five Parties agreed to conduct election on the scheduled election cycle as oppose to postponed it. 97% of the registered voters astoundingly voted for their leaders and parliamentarian to be. A successful election in time of Ethiopian political crises.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said “Where does the decision for elections come from, from tplf or the people of tigray? Don’t you think that the people of tigray did simply what the dictatorial and authoritarian tplf ordered them to do

            Really? The legal document between government and The People is “The Constitution”, so the government has the obligation to respect the constitution. Just because you didn’t like the election in Tigray it doesn’t mean that people were forced to vote. How could you force people to vote which had more 97% voter turnout?

            It is true that you can deny people not to vote, but how can you force people to vote that has over 97% of voter turnout? Considering the history of Tigray, you can’t force the people of Tigray outside their conscious consent.

            Reread Tigray history and try another narrative. You seemed to be worried, which was expected but not this much. Your worry seems more than the election, which is perfectly understandable. “ልቅሶው ከፍየልዋ ሞት በላይ ነው”.

            Thanks,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላም ሳሙኤል
            እቲ ነገር ካብ [ቅንኢ] ዝተበገስ’ዩ: ከም ዝመስለኒ።
            ገሌና: ንዓና ድማ ከም ናታትኩም ተዝፈጥረልና ኢልና ንቐንእ።
            ገሊኦም ድማ: ብናታትኩም ግብሪ ባህ ዘይበሎም ‘ዩ።
            ት ቀዳማይ [ቅዱስ] ትዳሕረዋይ ድማ [ሓሳድ] ቅንኢ ተባሂሉ ይጽዋዕ።
            ዓለም ትችዓተ ‘ኳ ተባሂሉ ‘ዩ ቀደም።
            ብሩኽ ሰንበት ግዳ!

          • Samuel

            Selam MM,
            ሓቂ እዩ። ናይቶም ህግደፋውያን ብኽያት ከምቲ ዝበልካዮ ጽልእን [ሓሳድ] ቅንኢ ዝወልዶ እዩ። ናይቶም መሽረፈትን ደርጋውያንን ብኽያት ግን ባህሪኦም ኣይፈቕደሎምን። መሰል ዓርሰ ውሳነ ኣይርደኦምን።

            ብሩኽ ሰንበት ንዓኻ’ውን!!

            Thanks,

          • Selam samuel,

            You have overused the constitution. You don’t seem to understand that tplf and the federal government are interpreting the same constitution in different ways, and you are telling us that tplf always has the truth on its side.
            Please, don’t start telling us in your turn that you are the other exceptional people. Don’t you know the saying that if you do not praise your own home, it will fall on your head and crush you.
            How could tplf force the people to vote and vote for it? That is news to you, as if you are not aware of the meto-be-meto, fertilizer for giving votes to tplf/eprdf and many more ways to force ethiopians, let alone the people of tigray.
            ያንተ ለቅሶ ለፍየሏ፣ የሌላው ለቅሶ ለበሬው፤ There lies the difference. Leave aside history and your exceptionalism, and worry about the future, which doesn’t seem bright with tplf at the driving seat. It is on the wrong course. Tplf militarism, empty chauvinism and superiority complex, will take your people to unwanted painful adventures with a lot of sacrifices, unfortunately, and not to any place where the grass is greener.
            No one is worried about your fake elections. You can have it and live with the results. We will see what you will get in return. You can’t take it to the marketplace, because no one will buy it, not even many tigrayans. The aim was to defy the federal government, but it doesn’t seem to have succeeded, because the government didn’t react to it. On the contrary, it ignored the elections as if they have not taken place.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            “any election is better than no election because in the process things change and eventually it will get better.”

            Right on the money. Democratic election are improved “election after election. Riggs are controlled election after election. There is no improvement of democratic process without election. Election is the starting point of democratic process. Those who expected a clean democratic election in one or two or three…..election cycles are naive or misinformed. You can still see “rig election” in US which has over 200 hundred years of experience. The issue is whether those “rigged election areas” could affect the outcome. Most of the time It does not affect the outcome if it is limited on one specific electoral area.

            Regards.

          • Aligaz G

            AH,

            Fake elections give legitimacy to dictatorships. Even tera propagandists get this. In fact the worst thing a democracy can countenance is fake elections because this disenfranchises the voters.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            You are forgetting that election are conducted in Eritrea regularly, as recent as 2019 for example. See link.

            https://shabait.com/amp/2019/01/23/elections-of-area-administrators-3/

            The difference is that our is done on an open ballot box. What the heck! Why hide for a 100% win. In Tigray the ballots were closed to assure the annonimity of the 1.8% chosing the parties who are going to get anyway 20% of the seats.:-) 🙂

      • Sultan

        Berhe:
        Personally. I would have been ok even with 100%!
        What you guys are missing is that the situation was not and has never been conducive to runs
        “A FREE and FAIR”Election even during the peaceful time.
        The TPLF literally and effectively banned major opposing parties.
        The reason it rushed prob is to deprive the other major parties enough time to prepare!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ጥዑያት እዝኒ ኣለኹምዶ?
    ሕራይ በሉ መዓልኩም ዶ ለ ክጅምር?
    ሰኒ መዓልኩም

    ህዝቢ ኤረትራ
    ብጥሜት ነቒጹ
    ትግራይ ድማ
    ኣርኪቦም ይመርጹ
    ‘ንዳ ንሕና ንሱ
    ‘ንቀዓ ይርህጹ
    ‘ንዳንጸርጸሩ ድማ ይድቅሱ
    ውግሕ ምስ በለ ግን
    መልሓሶም የለስልሱ
    ኣንታ ምስ መን ንተሪፍና?

    ገዛውቶም ፍርሒ ዝዓሰሎ
    ወጋሕ ትበል ለይቲ
    ምብህራር ዝዓብለሎ

    ለይቶም ‘ሲ ኣይትኹን ለይትና
    ዋላ ምስ ወገሐ
    መሬት ጸልሚታቶም ብብርሃና
    ወረ ዘይሓፍሩ
    ይብሉ
    መን ኣሎ ከማና
    ካብ ከምዚ ፍጡራት የድሕነና
    ኣሜን

    • Nitricc

      Hi MM: if you are so impressed move to Mekele and there a booming business for you. Society has its own value and respect and one of them not fake election. One day When you know the whole story, you will ashmed of your self.

      ታይ ኢና ንሰምዕ ዘለና!
      ዘሕዝን እዩ!
      ኣብ ጠላዕ ፀሓይ ድንግልና ምሻጥን ምሽይያጥን “ስራሕ” ክገብር ዝደፈረ ነውራም ገበነኛ ሰብ/ትካል መፂኡና ዲኹም ትብሉ?
      ናይ ብሓቂ ዘሕዝን፣ ዘደንግፅ፣ ዘሕፍር እዩ!

      ቕድሚ ኣርባዕተ ዓመት ሓደ ፍሩይ ብዓል ኹሉ-ነገር ብዓል ስልጣን መራኸብቲ ሓፋሽ እዛ ሃገር ዓዲሙ፣ ኣብ ቅድሚ ብዙሓት ሰባት ኣብ ኣደባባይ “ኣዋልድ ትግራይ ፅቡቓትን ጥዑማትን እየን’ሞ መቐለ ክወስደኩም’ሞ ዓለምኩም ከርእየኩም”(ቓል ብቓል ኣይኮነን) ኢሉ ደቂ ኣነስትዮ ትግራይ ኣብ ጠላዕ ፀሓይ ንመሸጣ ከቕርበን ፈቲኑ፤ ንሕና ንኽልተ ሰለስተ መዓልቲ ጫውጫው ኢልና ኩሉ ነገር ረሲዕናዮ፤ ንሱ ኣሽንኳይዶ ብሕጊ ክሕተት፣ ምምሕዳራዊ ስጉምቲ ክውሰዶስ ብስልጣንን ብኻልእን ክውስኽ ኢና ዝረኣና፡፡

      ሐዚ ድማ ናይዚ መቐፀልታ ዝኾነ መግለፂ ኽብሪ ደቂ-ኣነስትዮና ዝኾነ ድንግልና ኣብ ጠላዕ ፀሓይ ናብ ዕዳጋ ከቕርብ ኣብ ዕዳጋ ቀዳማይ ወያነ (ሐ) ቁ·ገዛ 304 ቤት ፅሕፈት ዝኸፈተ ደፋር ርኢና፡፡

      ብፍላይ ኣብ ብዙሓት ሃገራት ኣፍሪካ ፣ ኣብ ደቡብ ምብራቕ ኤስያ እውን ከምዝተርኣየ እዘን ብግርህና ናብዚ ውድድር ዝመፃ ደናግል ኣዋልድ ብኽልተ መንገዲ ግዳይ ጥቕዓት፣ ግዳይ ፆታዊ ዓመፅ፣ ግዳይ ፆታዊ መሸጣ ከምዝኾና እዩ ዝግለፅ፡፡
      ሓደ፡ እቲ ድንግልና ብሰብ-ሞያ ሕክምና ዘይኮነስ ኣግባብ ብዘይኮነ መንገዲ ድንግልና ንምርግጋፅ ተባሂሉ ዝግበር ብዙሕ ፀያፍ ከምዘሎ ይስማዕ እዩ፤
      ካልኣይ፡ ናይዘን ኣብዚ ውድድር ዝሳተፋ ደናግል ኣድራሻ፣ ስልኪ ቑፅሪ ብምሓዝ ምስ ሓደ ሓደ ብሓይሊ ገንዘብ ኩሉ ነገር ክገዘኡ ዝደልዩ ፅጋበኛታት፤ ምስ ሓደ ሓደ ድንግልና ደቂ ኣነስትዮ ምውሳድ ከም ስብእነት ዝሪኡ “ፆታዊ ጣዕዋታት” ብምዝርራብ ነተን ኣዋልድ “ብኽንድዚ ገንዘብ ድንግልናኺ ሽጢ” ዝብል ደፋፊእኻ፣ ብገንዘብ ኣተዓሻሺኻ ናብ ዘይኮነ ነገር ክኣትዋ ምድፍፋእን ካብኡ ኮሚሽን ምቕባል እዩ ዝመፅእ፡፡

      ትማሊ እቲ ፍሩይ ብዓል ስልጣን ደቂ-ኣነስትዮና ንዕዳጋ እንተቕርበን ብግቡእ ብዘይምቅላስና ሐዚ ከም ትሪኡዎ ቤት ፅሕፈት ኸፊቶም ድንግልና ኣዋልድና ከነሻይጥ ዝብሉ ሰባት መፂኦም፤
      እዚኣ ስቕ ኢልና እንተሓሊፍናያ ፅባሕ እንታይ ከምዝስዕብ ምግማት ኣይከኣልን፡፡

      ፖሊስ በቲ ዝተጠቐሰ ኣድራሻ ኸይዱ ወይ ድማ ብስልኪ 0945063513 ነዚ ገባሪ ዘይንቡር ዝኾነ ሰብ/ትካል ናብ ናይ ሕጊ ተሓታትነት ከምፅኦ እላቦ፡፡

      ይኾኖ! ይኾኖ! ኣብዚ ጉዳይ ዘየወራረድናዮ ክሳብ ሎሚ ፅላሎቱ ዘይገደፈና ናይ ትማሊ ሒሳብ እንተሎ እውን ከነወራርድ እዩ ዘለና፡፡

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Selamat private,
        I was trying to say there is something wrong with you but then I realized that you are a sole-cell creature.
        ብሩኽ ቅዱስ ዮውሃንስ!

        • Aron

          Hi MM,
          Happy new year to all of you awate nation. Good answer. aron

  • Sultan

    Selam Ato Kim…..
    Hahaha…. get ready for it, it is coming!
    Note:
    Note :
    Not PIA but the EPLF then and the EDF fully backed by the formidable Eritrean people, UES,THE gallant Eritrean people!
    Swallow the pill of the bitter truth.
    Nothing to brag about but it is a FACT ,that Eritreans but have WON against all ODDs.

    • Abi

      King Sultan
      Your Majesty,
      ኧረ በተሰቀለው ጌታ ለጉራዎት ልጏም አበጁለት! ረመረሙን እኮ ጌታው
      Asmara University— closed
      Catholic Clinics — closed
      Catholic schools— closed
      SAWA boot camp— open
      Open ended slavery/ military services — open
      Refugee camps— open
      Hope— dead
      Need I say more?
      Where are the gallant and formidable Eritrean people?

      • Sultan

        Abbu:
        Ere Mottin Bashenefew Ghetta!

        You missed one important thing:
        -HOPE has resurrected and is ALIVE and kicking in with new HOPE ,energy and stamina.
        -Eritrea is not only back to life but has stood STRONGER and TALLER by quarantining those , who dreamt and did beyond their call and capacity fully backed by the entire world to bury it( her)
        -SAWA shall be upgraded to the best Military Science and Vocational Training School Center( Dr AAA is getting a lesson- u see, we are always your mentors and teachers)

        -The Catholic Clinics shall be upgraded to Level -I Trauma and Top Referral Univ Med Centers and will make Eritrea soon the Medical Tourism Hub of Africa/ WATCH and mark my word!

        -Those closed High Schools shall be turned into Univ Colleges

        -The Asmera Univ shall e upgraded to the highest and best of its nature level / status as The School of Post Grad Studies “..

        • Abi

          King Sultan
          Your Majesty,
          እንደው ያንተ ነገር ምን ይሻለኛል! ዋዜማው ላይ ቆመህ ማግስቱን ስታልም መባቻውን ዘነጋኸው::

          • Sultan

            Abbu:
            Dream and AIM HIGH buddy!

            Granted, what I listed are either facts and/ or potentially feasible .
            The natural resources are there and PROVEN.
            The sky is the limit if there is a will and some resources coupled with strong institutions and “ Bylaws/ Investment Rules, Protocols and Guidelines”!
            “Eritreans are self-governing people and the only thing they need is a Charter or a Constitution to be guided and to abide by”
            Courtesy of Prof Salih A A Youinis .
            Then the sky would be the limit.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            You have already told us the potential in every sector imaginable decorated with exclamation marks and endless zeros.
            I see you got a great potential in mining industry with the only limitation is the sky. I and ኃይለኛው መምህር have been saying since the earth has unlimited potential why you look at the sky only to see limitations????
            “ፃድቃን ምድርን ይወርሳሉ ” ይልም አይዶል መጣፉ?

        • sara

          selam ato sultan..
          you said is right, best and more…. i just saw it now after i wrote mine.

      • sara

        selam ato abi…
        let me share with you different version of what you wrote…
        #Asmara uni— 7 uni-colleges around the country
        #catholic clinics— Eritrean medical centers
        #catholic schools– Eritrean schools
        #Sawa boot camp–west point and more.
        #open ended slavery/military service– national service and peace corps
        #refugee camps– land transit points
        #hope— alive and thriving
        — say good wish good to your neighbors…………
        -gallant Eritreans are here and at home…., and be sure , those you have to deal in future… are those who went to those colleges, treated at those medical centers, passed through that military academy and maybe stopped at those transit areas… deal with it.
        on special note-
        happy new year to you and our sis.

        • Abi

          Sariti shikorina
          Unusually and surprisingly you missed my point.
          My point is despite the closings of the clinics, the schools and the only university and keeping the young in the endless slavery camps, the gallant and formidable Eritreans haven’t shown any kind of resistance or opposition.
          Shikorina, you don’t necessarily have to close an accredited university only to replace it by community colleges . As you know, I’m a big fan of community colleges. However, a flagship university that is internationally accredited is a must for any given country. The Isaias government should learn a thing or two from the Great King and Revolutionary Derg and keep the university opened for those young men and women who aspire to achieve higher.

          • Haile S.

            Morning Abi,
            The oddities of Isayas are without limit. While he is destroying what has been established by the local Eritrean administrations under the pretext that it was the King’s or the Dergs (nothing wrong with it BTW), he has been touring Ethiopia the last two years admiring what has been initiated by the King & the Derg. When is his next visit BTW? የመጎበኛኘቱ ጉዳይ የሱ ተራ መሰለኝ! ዘገየ እኮ። ሳቅና ፈገግታ የናፈቁት ኣይመስለኝም።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Isu is on a mission to destroy everything Eritrea. You made him president without his wishes. He is the happiest when he visits እናት አገር::
            በኔና በአንተ መሃል ይቅር እንጂ ለዚህ ጉዳይ ተስማሚ አንድ አነጋገር ላካፍልህ::
            ሰውየውን “ኑሮ እንዴት ነው?” ብለው ይጠይቁታል:: ሰውየውም ” ምግብ ከቤት ወሲብ ከውጭ ነው” ብሎ መለሰላቸው::

            መቼም እኔና አንተ ሲኦል መውረዳችን አይቀሬ ነው!

          • ሰላም ኣቢ፣

            ኣባ ሃና ብቻዋን ከምትኖር ከጎረቤት ሴት ጋር ወዳጅነት ጀምረው ነበር።
            ኣንድ ሌሊት ይነሱና ባለቤታቸው ሳይነቁ ቀስ ብለው ከቤት ወጥተው ወዳጃቸው ቤት ይሄዳሉ።
            ስራቸውን ከጨረሱ በኋላ በቀስታ ማንም ሳይሰማ ተመልሰው ይተኛሉ።
            እንቅልፍ ስላልያዛቸው እንደገና ቀስ ብለው ለመሄድ ሲሞክሩ ባለቤታቸው ይነቃሉ።
            ኣባ የት ነው የሚሄዱት?” ብለው ሲጠይቁ፣ ኣባም ጊዜ ሳይፈጁ “ለመድገም ነው” እመቤቴ ብለው ይመልሳሉ።
            ሚስታቸውም፣ “ለመድገም ከሆነማ ደና ኣደረጉ” ይሏቸዋል።

            I hope you get the ሰምና ወርቅ.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            አንድ ያጣላል ማለታቸው ነው:: እንደ ዳዊታቸው ጠዋትና ማታ ይደጋግሙት እንጂ!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            እልልልልልል! ኣድማሱ ተቀላቀለን!!

            ማሕበራችን እያደገች ነው። Sheol ከጨለማ ወደ ብርሃን እንለውጣታለን! ኣብዛኛው የዓወተ ሕዝብ ሳይከተን ኣይቀርም። ያ ጳውሎስ ያደረበብ የትፕልፍ መናፍስት እኪለቀው ድረስ Purgatory ይቆይልን። Fanti የሚጠራ ኣይደለም ቀጥታ መንግስተ ሰማይ። Emma ደሃብን ተከትሎ እዛው ይሂድልን፡ Grievance እያለ ኣንጎላችን እንዳያሳብጠው። ሳልሕ ጥያቄ የለውም ከኛጋ ነው።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            I’ll be back later on this one.

          • Sultan

            Guaddu:
            Happy Sat and a Happy,Peaceful and Prosperous Ethiopian New Year to you and to your loved ones!!!

            Just comply to and accept the facts as they are as reported by none but the Eri Tigress Machine-gunner,who DESTROYED the top 4 TPLF Divisions at the Aseb Front.

            On a serious matter though,the fact that our Dictator showed his usual knee-jerk like sadist reactions does not mean that the AAU is closed permanently but ,FYI,it has revived as a School of Post Grad Studies.

            The Seven Colleges built and fully running within Seven years while under TOTAL SANCTION speaks volumes.

            What matters the MOST is that those Colleges are producing enough experts to run the needs of the nascent nation under total sanctions…
            Check the performance and achievements of /by the grads from the same Colleges in the Western and Eastern Universities including the top world class Univ of the UAE.
            It is fair to give credit when due.

            As far as accrediting is concerned,you know better than most here that it takes yrs to do so for new Colleges and they are on the process to be accredited fully.

            A Patriot posted a link here about this process that the New Colleges in fact,have done well above the average African Institutions;and FYI,the Norwegians and the Finnish Higher Education Experts have done extensive eye-witness accounts evaluations and reports on these Colleges and their Quality Education.
            DO NOT FORGET the sabotages by the TPLF thugs.

            Talk about empty Buildings and fake Higher Education Institutions of the TPLF Era Ethiopia as trashed by none but your fav PM,Dr AAA and consult Gen Nittric on that for details..

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam to Forum visitors,

    The events taking place in Ethiopia in recent days and weeks from reading here and other websites leaves me bewildered, apprehensive and angry. Things I thought was not possible few years ago or the expectation of enough people of good will and intelligence would prevail, went out the window for me. How did we get here. What is evident now is the leadership on all sides failing us and ushering the country in to a downhill rough road to the unknown.

    I thought it was prudent and reasonable to postpone the election for a year or so due to the pandemic. A country that is not capable to stand a disease that is bringing Europe and U.S to their knees. With a little additional knowledge and study the time table could be adjusted to less than a year or so.
    Someone (probably a PHD guy) please don’t mention the constitution. It is not a suicide pact, as they say. When unexpected, unknown life threatening event comes up get the stakeholders in the room and come up with a solution. I know that is saying too much but that is why they get paid the big bucks. (or power)

    I really never believed the TPLF people of former high officials and brain trust with all the experience of power and know how would let their people to stand against the rest of their countrymen. I see a lot of stubbornness and not caring enough for the future of Ethiopia to openly and publicly defy and humiliate their central government, a government and institutions they formed by the way.

    I see to my surprise how PMAA was not able to bring in the TPLF and supporters to buy in to what was a reasonable approach to mitigate our numerous but on this specific problem. Actually I come to think of it now, this is the 2nd big surprise mistake, the 1st being the wholesale release of prisoners earlier in his administration.

    Here and now we are opening the side door to the country wide open for all those who wish us ill to just walk in bringing in what ever they want. I see some of them here.
    I have a feeling that some of the neighbors with their history would be stupid not to invest in this once in a life time opportunity to split the Abeshas for the 2nd time in recent history.
    Other than observe the day to day count of deaths from Covid 19, I cannot see now what the future holds for my country and countrymen. It is ironic that the same folks who were instrumental in saving Ethiopia from the brink 30 years ago are now the cause of its potential demise.

    I don’t think folks in Tigray in general should rejoice or celebrate this occasion when we could have waited by a compromise for the good of all to avoid this wrong fork on the road.
    I am now reduced to watching what and if PMAA makes his 3rd big mistake to choose the road to the cliff. I never thought Ethiopian high school graduates in leadership positions of both Killil and Federal, could lead the people this far, let alone the PHDs.

    Mr. K.H

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Kim,

      Once the evil man of ours involved inside in the politics of your country with all its security apparatus, It is understandable that the country will go down hill. Abiy is taking the advice of our despot to incarcerate the opposition leaders, to fill the prison houses that he emptied when he came to power. Abiy does not want to sit with all the stakeholders in the Ethiopian politics. He can’t. Call for your countrymen and women (a) to reject our despot in involving in your politics (b) to pressure Abiy to sit with all Ethiopia stakeholders to find an exit from the current crises. That is my two cent advice. Abiy can not retain power by the help of foreign forces.

      Regard

      • Nitricc

        Once the evil man of ours involved inside in the politics of your country with all its security apparatus, It is understandable that the country will go down hill.

        Hi Aman-H: At times have some shame that protects you from exposing your hypocrisy. Your master the dead midget is responsible where Ethiopia and Ethiopians today. You don’t have a shard of credibility to see the facts. I didn’t think you will that low to insult the Ethiopians, as the Ethiopians are so weak, dumb and stupid, they got to listen and be lead by the Eritrean president. It funny you are here defending the thugs and you have no shame to insult the Ethiopian people and leaders. Shame on you.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Nitricc,
          To borrow Beyan’s words, do you know that parrots are “severely ignored”.

    • Nitricc

      I really never believed the TPLF people of former high officials and brain trust with all the experience of power and know how would let their people to stand against the rest of their countrymen.

      Hi Kim: actually TPLF told you time and again that unless the lead and loot Ethiopia, it is going to be the end of Ethiopia. May be people didn’t analyse it as it should but the event of Hachalu Henddessa; that was their ticket and that was most dangerous and catastrophic situation for Ethiopian survival. Ethiopia amazingly survived and TPLF went in to depression and the rest is history. The good thing is the financial squeeze is about to start in every corner. So much so, TPLF asked the farmers to contribute Injera and other food products, including eggs to feed its hungry peasant soldiers. The end is here TPLF is on last leg and i believe Ethiopia will stand on here own. Ethiopia is too big to fail.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Nitricc AND Amanuel Hidrat,

        “Ethiopia is too big to fail” I wish I could believe you. Somebody else told me that a long time ago.

        I have come to the conclusion that you and Amanuel Hidrat are single issue operatives. I am looking at a different horizon, meaning entirely different view.

        I find it a little amusing to read both of you debating about my comment. You know what is even more amusing is we all are commenting under the article of Narcissism.

        Mr. K.H

        • Nitricc

          KIM he insulting you that your country is under Eritrean president and i am saying, you are where you are because you let the stupid thugs for too long and as the result, you are going through what you are going. Now what are you saying? Do you believe this is the work of PIA? if you do, let me know and i will apologize to the digital weyane of this forum to Aman-H.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            An Eritrean insult of Ethiopia didn’t and doesn’t bother me that much. What is new. What I was trying to say is the blame is fully on OUR leaders. I have a different view of PMAA and TPLF than you, but in this case they are making a big mistake that is bad for the country.

            As far as you and A.H is concerned, I expect the two of you to fight about ELF and EPLF residue until the 40th anniversary of Awate Forum, bringing in the grand kids for historical education.

            Mr. K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kim; never mind; you won’t get. today was my day-of and i totaly wasted it by arguing with you people. the only good thing is PMAA is showing off what he learned in Sawa. I will ask one question and i will let you go. You will have better luck talking to digitals. What does have to do celebrating the opening of SHEGER park with the show of the force? Your country is not as toothless as you believe, thta is why i was trying to tell you to no avail. tick, tick tick…..

    • Selam Kim Hanna,

      In my opinion it was impossible to bring tplf on board as one of the equals. What it wanted was to continue to ride the tides as the master as it did with HMD. Tplf left by itself and we can’t say that it was pushed out, at least at the beginning. Even now it is fighting on false premises, that the Constitution and the federal system are in danger, the government is becoming unitary, etc, by giving its own interpretations rather than accepting what the parliament decides. I don’t think that all the above are real issues. It is all about political power. It is all about my way or the highway. No one can do anything in such circumstances, unless tplf comes to understand with time that a win-lose scenario is not going to work.

      On the other point, the majority of the prisoners were unjustly incarcerated by tplf, and anybody who subscribed to reform should have released them. I don’t think that there were criminals among them. Even as much as the return of political parties are concerned, there was no other way but to bring them back. Abiy could not be reformist for some, and dictatorial for others. The bad apples like olf, jawar and others were difficult to read their minds.

      I believe that if Abiy controls the center, the periphery is not a big problem. Moreover, there are many Ethiopians who would rather pay the price than leave Ethiopia to disintegrate. Add to this, except the present US government, the rest wouldn’t have liked an ancient country like Ethiopia to disappear just like that. Of course, the main job lies with Ethiopians themselves.

      Therefore, I am hopeful that Ethiopia will make it, and she may even prosper. The way taken by tplf will not take it far, and i hope it will come to understand that. As much as the PM is concerned, i pray that he continues to commit himself to the dream he has for Ethiopia. When one thinks about people who have descended from the Ethiopian bandwagon recently, people like Lemma M., one can’t help but to be somehow disappointed. Nevertheless, Ethiopia will survive, because there are still Ethiopians.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All: the journalists who ever attend the useless, meaningless and illegal election of TPLF will be in a big trouble. It is an open aggression and interference in one sovereign country. Already Norway is distancing her self for the hired journalist. According Ethiopian news, the Norwegian journalist was paid 40 mil Kroner, i don’t in the us Dollars I will post link tomorrow. And now all the Tigray Media went dark. hmmmm.

  • Dongolo

    Howdy all. Not surprisingly, Eritrean treasonists were amongst the first to congratulate the TPLF on its farce election. Sad.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Dongolo: I have become to really understand why the Eritrean government won’t mess with this election and constitution.can you imagine what they could have to Eritrea have they got the chance in to Eritrea’s system through election and constitutional rights? Please tell PIA no election and constitution till the suckers die out.

      • NewDawn

        Nitric, you talk as if the eritrean government has done anything good, whatever you think they could have done will still be far better.

      • Consolation

        Hi Nitricc,

        tt has been like that for 40 years. In the 1980s, there were ELF factions who actually were collaborating with the Derg. The EPLF eliminated a few of them in the Sudan and their leader then fled to Cairo where he had property and a comfortable income. In 1991, most of them refused to vote in the referendum, thus permanently alienating themselves from Eritrean affairs. In 1998-2000 war, they formed an alliance called the Eritrean Democratic Movement and allied themselves with the TPLF against their people. For the next 20 years, they were totally in the service of the thugs, waiting to be used as condoms. So it shouldn’t be surprising to see them cheering the TPLF. The only surprise is that they don’t understand the utter futility of betting on a dead horse.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Conso; i am in favor of hold up and give the task to the next generation. If Eritrea had allowed election and gave constitutional rights to individuals, right now Eritrea would have become worst than Somalia. So, i say hold on, do it the right way, give it to the next generation. This time we are in is messed up.

          • Consolation

            Nitricc,

            Exactly bro. That was the idea to turn Eritrea into another Somalia. And that is why these traitors will never be allowed to have anything to do with Eritrean affairs. There are enough EPLF survivors to make sure that none of them ever enters Eritrea. The degree of total debasement of these people is incomprehensible. To cheer for the criminal gang even before the ink on the election has dried is just too unfathomable.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Consolation. You are correct. The TPELF treasonists will never be allowed to return to Eritrea cuz there will always be enough EPLF around to identify them. Given that said, they now clearly know that their numbers are quickly being biologically diminished and that their influence has been reduced to a microscopic level. Shame it is that a group now in their 70s & 80s, has no better way to draw attention to itself than to demonstrate false appreciation for a sham TPLF election process: Political prostitution at its worst.

          • Saleh Johar

            True Nitricc,
            That is exactly what they did during slavery–blacks cannot handle having rights. Really?

          • Nitricc

            Hi SG; then was back then and now things has changed. I truly believe had Eritrea been open and constitutionality; every enemy of Eritrea, the likes of Agazians would have distracted and paralyzed every meaningful moves. I think let’s clear-up and let’s settled the dust. I rather see Eritrea without election and constitution than Agazian controlled Eritrea with election and constitution. Hell no.

          • Sultan

            Gen;
            With all due respect, I disagree with you on this perception and attitude of yours.
            Constitution is not about Elections only as you guys believe here in the USA.
            You disappointed me on this, another Semere Tesfai!
            It is beyond that .

            It is more about, among others:

            -Strong Institutions

            -Respecting and executing Law and Order for the safety of the nation and the people

            -knowing and doing your obligation so as to get your rights

            -It is about dignity and integrity about respecting basic human rights

            -Freedom education and creativity and freedom to work and to earn a living

            -Proper utilization of the nations natural resources and equal distribution of resources besides equal retirees ration

            -checks and balances, responsibility, accountability and transparency
            Etc…
            If I have the above , I would care LESS about the fake elections…. until the right time comes.

        • Sultan

          Selam Conso:
          Even though you might be correct partially when it comes to the treason committed by few ELF Leadership members and leftovers , which I have been demonized for telling the truth I witnessed live, your generic and blanket accusation of the MOST innocent ELF leaders and members, who were victims of the EPLF Death Squad ( and by the few ELF Leadership)in the Sudan and Ethiopia is but a bogus claim besides sounding an ill-informed partisan guy.

          The targeting of the top ELF and EPLF elite and Commanders before and after liberation by the EPLF-PFDJ ( EPRP) security and death squad cannot be justified as treason but what happened to them by the other party is but beyond TREASON, if you really believe in truth abd facts.

          Now I confirmed that you are a brain-washed YPFDJ , who has no clue about the real facts and truth.
          In your rotten mind and virtual and delusional world, the direct and systemic elimination of the ELF-EPLF Founders and the top Commanders as well as Generals on a day light is Treason!
          Dude, get it REAL!
          Try to learn more …
          “Anghet yetefeterew azuro le- Mayet new” yilal Guad Abnet!

  • Consolation

    Selamat All,

    ምርጫ ተገልበጥካያስ ምርጫ
    ኣይተስቲ ማይ ኣይተብልዕ ቅጫ::

    ጭፍራ ወያነ፥ እዛ ውሪንጫ
    ዘዋጽኣ ተኾይኑ፥ ዕንደራ ላግጫ
    ምስ ዶክቶር ኣቢይ፥ ኣትያ ፍጥጫ
    ባጀት ተኣጊዱ፥ ምስተሃርመ ኣፍንጫ
    ቀይሕ ባንደራኣ፥ ኮኾቡ ብጫ
    ክትለኽዮያ ጻዕዳ፥ ምስወድኤት ሓሪጫ::

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት
    ህግደፍን ውሽማን

    ህግደፍ
    ውሽማ ድኽነት
    ውሽማ ድሕረት
    ውሽማ ዕግርግር
    ውሽማ ቅትለት
    ——-ውሽማ ሕሰዳ
    ——-ውሽማ ጥፍ ኣት
    ——-ናይ ዜጋታት
    ——-ውሽማ ውግእ
    ——-ውሽማ ህውከት
    ውሽማ ብዕልግና
    ኣበይ ክርከብ
    ናይ ህግደፍ መዘና

  • Dongolo

    Howdy all. The late Ethiopian President Negasso Gidada said asked forgiveness from Ethiopians for deceiving them that Ethiopia’s current constitution was ratified in 1995 with full participation of all political parties in a democratic manner. “There were a number of political parties that were excluded from the process,”

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ኦኦኦኦኦኦ! ደንጎሎ

      ህግደፍ ድዩ በትኪ
      ዋላ ናይ ህግደፍ ሰዓብቲ

      ሳላሳ ዓመት ብላሽ
      ኣብ ድኽነት ኣብ ሕሰም
      ከብሎ ንህዝብና ኣላሽ

      ሃገራት ይምዕብላ
      ኤረትራ ግን
      ኣብ ድኽነትን ባርነትን
      ተሸኺላ
      ኣብ [ኣዚለ] ቦቒላ
      እቲ ሽርሒ
      [ሀ] ኢሉ ጀሚሩ
      ብምቕንጻል ኣብራሃም ተወልደ
      ኣብ ዓላ
      ‘ታ blueprint ከይተቐየረት ስጋብ ሕጂ
      ከምኣ’ይላ
      ንዘስተብህለላ

    • Abi

      Hello Dongolo
      Back then we used to say “ ነጋሶ ጊዳዳ የመለስ ዜናዊ ፈረስ ሥም ነው”.
      This is how it goes
      “የመለስ ዜናዊ ፈረስ ሥም ማን ይባላል”?
      “ነጋሶ ጊዳዳ”.

  • Dongolo

    Howdy all. Tigray as an independent country? Nice! That means Ethiopia no longer has any reason/obligation whatsoever to cover Tigray’s back when it comes to Badme.

  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    The election in Tigray has completed successfully. Thank you all for those who wished us to have a successful election. Voting isn’t a luxury that has to be decided by dictators, it is the basic right citizens of a country has to have to elect whom they want with their consent. Regardless of the flaws it may have it’s better to exercise you own right periodically on-time rather than kicking the can down the road. The next generation will learn that the only way a political party can lead its people is by the consent of the majority of its people. Thank you again!!
    Thank you awate,com for the platform!!

    Thanks,

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Samuel,

      Congratulation to the people of Tigray and their politicians for making this happen. Abiy and other leaders will not have an excuse to delay the election, even though I was in favor of delaying rather than having the election. I hope there are not that many people who are affected by the virus as a result.

      Who won the election? What happens next.

      Samuel, I wanted to ask you this before but I didn’t get around (or I have already). In your discussion with regards to the Ethiopian constitution, you mentioned any rights that’s not specifically written (given) to the federal government it belongs to the state.

      I am sure you are aware, society of today is not able to write the laws of society tomorrow and as a result the constitution will not be able to cover all the laws. So question is:

      1) How does the federal government have the means to update the constitution (to add or remove) rules.
      2) If there is a conflict in the interpretation of the constitution between the federal government and the state government, how does get resolved. In other words, does Ethiopia have a supreme court which does not answer to anyone (be it prime minister, president or anyone else) who have the last say on anything legal.

      Thanks
      Berhe

      • Samuel

        Selam Berhe Y.
        Thank you! we appreciate that!

        Who won the election? The result hasn’t released yet, hopefully early morning Ethiopian time will be released the results.

        1) How does the federal government have the means to update the constitution (to add or remove) rules.
        The constitution has a way to amend constitutionally, when you get a chance you can read:-
        Article 104 Initiation of Amendments
        Article 105 Amendment of the Constitution

        2) If there is a conflict in the interpretation of the constitution between the federal government and the state government, how does get resolved.
        The constitution has laws for it, generally the House of Federation (HoF) interpret the Constitution, when needed HoF can request Council of Constitutional Inquiry to investigate constitutional disputes and get recommendation. However, HoF should be free of any government involvement, this was the main dispute with Abiy and Tigray state.

        Thanks,

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Samuel,

          Thanks for clarification.

          How is the HoF gets setup? And what happens if the conflict is not resolved? Where does the state / federal government go to appeal / take to court?

          I understand Ethiopia has federal Supreme Court (highest court in the land, I didn’t know that earlier), why the state / gov not able to go through that court?

          In Eritrean case, one of the reason I do not like the never implemented Eritrean constitution is, the highest court is indirectly under the control of the president. The judges salary, nominations, investigation for corruption is done via a “ Judicial Service Commission“ which it’s powers is to be determined by law.

          It’s like a shadow court which is setup to serve

          52: Removal of Judges from Office
          1. A judge may be removed from office before the expiry of his tenure of office by the President only, acting on the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission, pursuant to the provisions of Sub-Article 2 of this Article for physical or mental incapacity, violation of the law or breach of judicial code of conduct.
          2. The Judicial Service Commission shall investigate whether or not a judge should be removed from office on grounds of those enumerated in Sub-Article 1 of this Article. In the event that the Judicial Service Commission decides that a judge be removed from office, it shall present its recommendation to the President.
          3. The President may, on the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission, suspend from office a judge who is under investigation.
          Article 53: The Judicial Service Commission
          1. There shall be established a Judicial Service Commission, which

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            1. How is the HoF gets setup?

            Article 61 Members of the House of the Federation
            (1) The House of the Federation is composed of representatives of Nations, Nationalities and Peoples.
            (2) Each Nation, Nationality and People shall be represented in the House of the Federation by at least one member . Each Nation or Nationality shall be represented by one additional representative for each one million of its population.
            (3) Members of the House of the Federation shall be elected by the State Councils. The State Councils may themselves elect representatives to the House of the Federation, or they may hold elections to have the representatives elected by the people directly.

            2. And what happens if the conflict is not resolved?
            When this happens HoF submits constitutional dispute to CCI to investigate and get recommendation.

            3. I understand Ethiopia has federal Supreme Court (highest court in the land, I didn’t know that earlier), why the state / gov not able to go through that court?

            The Federal Supreme Court is part of the Council of Constitutional Inquiry (CCI) board. The President and Vice-President of Federal Supreme Court are also the CCI President and Vice-president. CCI is a group of constitutional lawyers.
            It’s a little different but indirectly the view of the CCI is the view of Federal Supreme Court (kind of but not exactly), but when it comes to the constitutional disputes CCI don’t make final decisions, they just provide recommendations of the constitutional disputes. The HoF has final say on constitutional matters. FYI, CCI has 11 members.

            Generally, when it comes to constitutional disputes HoF is very powerful institution. Nation and Nationalities are represented, but they don’t use their power properly. They could be persuaded easily by the PM.

            Thanks,

    • Dongolo

      Selam Samuel. Will you invite Susan Rice to celebrate 100% TPLF victory? Heard the election results were leaked two weeks ago.

      • Abi

        Dongolo
        A little correction needed here. The election results were leaked two decades ago. Pay attention please!

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Abi,
          This can only happen in the bizzaro world of hgdf 🙂
          This minions, hgdfites, live in alternate universe.

          • Abi

            MM
            Tplf has a track record of winning መቶ በመቶ. Don’t try to switch the subject to hgdf.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi and MM,

            hulu zerobotal zendro:)

            Selamat Samuel,
            Congrats to you guys!
            ኣቕኒእኩምና። ከም ናታትኩም ድማ ንዓና ይፍጠረልና። ዘይቀንእ ኣይወለድ!

            Berhe

        • Selam Abi,

          One should leave them rejoice the expected results. Could it have been different when tplf is known for its cooked elections and the results that are seen only in dictatorships like the infamous meto-be-meto?
          Only dictators and those who support dictatorship or those who say that they fight dictatorship in Eritrea and they sleep with dictators in Ethiopia, can rejoice such a flawed and waste of time and money elections.
          Voting in a land where people are not free, they are intimidated and incarcerated or even killed, if they are a serious opposition, are not uncommon in African countries, let alone in African enclaves. Only the friends of tplf, those who have more or less the same program with it could eat from tplf’s table of fake elections.
          Who can say that it was free and fair except tplf and its allies? None. It was the legetmacy and complete control of dictatorship over its oppressed citizens, and not the right of citizens, that was seen in these fake elections. Therefore, only tplf and its cheer leaders can rejoice.
          What do you think tplf and its stooges will say next? They may say that the people of tigray have voted for independence. And if the people ask them, where are you taking us? Tplf’s response will be, we don’t know. What we know is that you too will enjoy independence under a tplf dictatorship. Look at others around you. Don’t run away, if you want to spare yourselves from a shoot to kill order, believe in self reliance and have trust in tplf leadership. Look where China is by following Maoism. With tplfism, it will be even better.
          Why do you think that tplf businesses are moving their headquarters to mekele and tplf supporters are leaving the center and moving North lately?
          Anyway, these fake elections are going to be a big problem and not a solution for tplf. They can’t sell it to the Ethiopian parliament and they can’t disown it. They are stuck with it.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            I have only one thing to say about These Tplf worshipping Eritreans who pretend to be fighting dictatorship in Eritrea and yet cheering for Tplf dictatorship and lawlessness ቀባሪ ዘመድ ያጡ ሙታን::
            I respect Samuel and his fierce defense of Tplf.

            It is time for Tplf to get off the back of Tigray people.

          • Haile S.

            እንደምን ኣደሩ ጀታው፡

            ምነው፡ ባለሙሉስልጣን ኣምባሳደሩ በሌሉበት፡ ለኤምባሲ ኣንደኛ ጸሓፊው መልካም ምኞት መግለጽ መች በደል ሆነ? እንኳንስ የቅርብ ወዳጅ፡ የኤርትራው ስልጣነ-ቢስ ኣምባሳደር ኣቶ በርሄም፡ ምክትሉ ኣቶ ሱልጣን ምኞታቸው ገልጸው የለ? ምን ይታወቃል ፕረሲደንቱም ምኞታቸው ገልጸው ይሆናል? ይሄ ጃፓን ያለው ብጤያቸው ነገሩ ካላበላሸው በስተቀር! 🙂 :-)።

            የኣየር መለዋወጥ በኣከባቢው የታወቀ ቢሆንም፡ የዘንድሮው ልዩ ነው። መስከረምዳትኮም፡ እስከ ቅርብ ጊዜ ያገሪቷ ድምበር ጋሻጃግሬ የነበረው፡ ኣሁን የትግራይ ድንበር-ሌባ ካርታ በርእሰ-ኣንቀጹ ለብዙ ሳምንት እያውለበለበ ኣይደል እንዴ? ዘንድሮ የማይገርም እንጂ የሚገርም መች ታጣ!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Haile,

            “የኤርትራው ስልጣነ-ቢስ ኣምባሳደር ኣቶ በርሄም፡ ምክትሉ ኣቶ ሱልጣን ምኞታቸው ገልጸው የለ? ” ouch…this is funny…

            Are you saying Berhe and Sultan are TPLF worshipping Eritreans now:).

            I am always for challenging authority of any kind of any size, at all times using legal means….

            I see no point in supporting a government which is already in power and has all the financial and security arms at it’s disposal…

            The way I see it, the election in Tigray will not allow the Abiy government from further extending the election because of any excuses….

            Abi and Horizon, they will resort to TPLF worshippers argument when they have nothing left to argue, not to mention they were the most loyal TPLF supporters before Abiy come to the scene:).

            As much as I dislike the TPLF, I think they were on board for the change and wanted to see Abiy successes.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Berhe

            TPLF worshiper? NO! Not at all. It is just because you were silent these days and suddenly I read you congratulatory message. I couldn’t pass over this jab before talking about Meskerem’s stunning realignment.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile S.

            You were correct, but I was away for few days. You must have missed my comments on the Mekele Taxi victory lap:).

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Berhe,
            Now it switched to TPLF. Like a bumblebee, provided there is nectar in the flower kind of thing!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile,

            To be honest this “with TPLF and against the TPLF support” is just none issue issue that we are making a big deal out of it. It will give us zero advantage in tackling what’s the core of our issue which is PFDJ.

            Mesfin Hagos has the habit of creating conflict where there should none exist. He started the whole 20 years division when he said, we are not going to Ethiopia, while at the same time he was meeting with TPLF secretly. And his EPDP wanting to make it bigger than it was instead of just joining the already created alliance and work together. The alliance fragmentation never recovered since.

            I am afraid the momentum of yiAkl and others who were all focused on PFDJ, will eventually go through this phase of distractions.

            kab Seba zeytereKbes kab may Seba.

            Berhe

          • Sultan

            Berhe:
            That was what I said to the boss. The YeAkil and the EriSat have been effectively infiltrated by intruders .
            The Mesfin vs the EPDP mess is beyond what u mention, which I can not discuss here as it was related to the disgusting and embarrassing old new Eritrean Political culture!
            Ewwww . Yakki yakki.
            PIA knows us very well and he is having FUN about/on us.

          • Sultan

            Hailat:
            A friend said” money talks man” but did not know that $$ can do the that much!
            A Norwegian Journalist was allegedly paid by the TPLF more than $4 million ?
            40 million kroners( $1:10 Kroners).
            Less likely but … the TPLF has done and is doing it.

            PMMZ openly declared saying”Ghenzabachinin mesarya bicha sayhon sewwim ghezanibetal”/“We used/ spent our $$ not only for arms in buying people( mercenaries)”!

            It was alleged that the TPLF spent more than $40 million to bribe some mercenaries( Allegedly Eritreans during the 1998-2000 war)on top of buying almost all the best Soviet Union Era, Commanders,Generals, Field Marshals, Pilots, Technicians, Supervisors , Tank Leaders and Heavy Artillery Operators, Military Strategists among others!
            More than 300 of them were in Mekele assisting the TPLF 24/7!

            Just off topic but a related matter:

            Per Juan William of the NPR ( The Fox News Commentator now),this $ is on top of $450 million wired from the USA to Russia through Ireland overnight for an emergency cash funding
            for the WMD for the FINAL PUSH to overrun our EDF and to walk to Asmera and Aseb.

            This is not to mention the logistics and Intelligence support by the CIA, M16 and the Mossad besides the direct intervention of the US Navy from the Red Sea and its Satellites in providing the positions and movements of our EDF, in the very words of a US Marine from Boston… and by one of the Top Radio Show in the USA, “The Black Agenda “and another US Journalist.
            The Deuche velle/ The Voice of Germany confirmed the injury of an Israeli Senior Commander and Advisor by our EDF Mortar at the Aseb Front.
            If Etitrea and Eritreans survived this kind of tsunamis, they can survive anything under the sun… let alone the TPLF $ or IA’s Dictatorship provided we strengthen our unify through strong leadership.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            “ Abi and Horizon, they will resort to TPLF worshippers argument when they have nothing left to argue, not to mention they were the most loyal TPLF supporters before Abiy come to the scene”. Spot on. Yes they were. They go with the flow of the day. They don’t question authority.

            Regard

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            Unlike you, we haven’t made a faustian contract with the devil mz/tplf and we are not cult worshipers. There lies our difference.
            I had supported actions taken by mz for two and only two things. That was for starting the gerd and not for making it a cash cow and for fighting to retain the AU in addis. The remaining 95% of what he did was evil. You can worship him til kingdom come. He is yours. Outside his tribe no ethiopian loves him and his organization, let alone worship him.
            Mz/tplf were killers, they poisoned the relationship of our society with their ethnic federalism, they looted the country, terrorized and tortured ethiopian citizens, they hated the very existence of ethiopia, they robbed land from other regional states, and today they are doing everything possible to destabilize and disintegrate the country on top of what their evil legacy is doing to the country, etc. Unless a person is intellectually dishonest, how is it possible to worship such a man and his organization with the above crimes. Not me. Not any other ethiopian who loves his country. We leave it for those who have sold their soul.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            He changed Ethiopia for good in every sense of sociopolitical and socioeconomic relationship. I don’t think Ethiopia will return to “unitary state” after exercising as autonomous states, even Issayas stood on his side in the fight to that effort. The defiance of the states and the incarceration of opposition leaders will lead to the end of Abiy’s despotism. No matter how much you despise the Tigray people and their elections, they will still remain the engine for Democratic change in that troubled region of ours. They have showed us their election even in time of crises.

          • Selam Amanuel H,
            Please don’t hang again from one or two things i said about mz, and don’t try to sanitize and aggrandize him. Shabby roads and buildings were cash cows through which tplf looted ethiopia and the debt is going to weigh heavily on ethiopian economy for decades to come, if she is ever able to pay back. You can’t whitewash mz/tplf crimes against the nation with roads and buildings that are still owed by the country. mz/tplf were the curse of ethiopia.
            People cry because they are afraid, because they are forced to, because they are paid and because they are happy. Sometimes they cry because they remember their own problems. If ethiopians truly cried for him forgetful of all the crimes committed during his rule, they wouldn’t have forgotten him so quickly and so completely.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Who will fight now for three meals a day for the poor Ethiopian people? Are you? Give me one name please. That is a vision, my friend.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            When and where did you see ethiopians eating three meals a day? It was a propaganda ploy to make the people to dream and forget the injustices. Those who were eating three meals a day and delicious cakes as dessert, were those ragtag fighters who came empty handed and when they left they were millionaires and billionaires.

          • Nitricc

            When and where did you see ethiopians eating three meals a day?

            Horizon; that is the wording they use at the event of recruiting the Digitals, forgive the digital. he has to earn his pay even by lies.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            To realize his vision, there were prerequisite things to work out for, such economic growth, expanding schools and hospitals, putting a network of infrastructures, allowing investors (foreign and domestic). Once those are accomplished and tangible economic growth are attained, you distribute the wealth to have your citizens three meals a day. That is a vision. A vision is a long term project. You can’t come to power and expect to give three meals that comes like “Mana”. Don’t be naive pls.

          • Sultan

            Hahaha Berhe Tsaida:

            Hailat is messing with you.

            What he meant was “ Even the WORST Anti-TPLF Dudes “ have sent “Congratulatory messages”!

            His Brilliant Multilingual articulation and TALENTS are but super unique .

            Mind you that,this is a Professor /Scientist in Bio-Medical or related Sciences , and yet he is way better than and excels those specialists in in Social Sciences and Linguistics as well as in Arts and Humanities.

            And yet, his down to earth personality and humbleness/ Humility are unmatchable.
            A rare combo features among human beings.

          • Haile S.

            Sultan,

            Are you talking about Jesus or what? I feel like being driven to Golgotta:-) 🙂 :-).

            One truth you said is I am down to earth, I like earth. I hate the sky; I don’t want to go to heaven for ever. It is boring!

            Cheers

          • Sultan

            Hahaha Hailat Nebsi:
            During the Second Coming of the Lord,I am going to testify in front of the Glorified Jesus Christ in the Heavens that Hailat was and had lived a saintly life according to His Word!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I understood him perfectly, that’s way the comment was funny and I put a smile:) mowing he is joking.

            You know when I saw comedy of George Carlin on religion, I was thinking of him. Don’t google it, I don’t want you to convert.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            እኔም እንዳንተው ነኝ:: መንግሥተ ሰማያት ቢያስገቡኝ ጉቦ ከፍዬ እወጣለሁ:: እንደፍየል ቅጠል እየቀነጠቡ ለመኖር ምድሪቱ ምን ከፋቺኝ?
            “ከማይረባ ቁርስ የጠዋት ፀሐይ ይሻላል” ይላል የአዲስ ልጅ::
            መሬቷ ትሻለኛለች:)

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ኣንተና እኔ ያለንባት መሬት ከመንግስተ ሰማይ በላይ ትበራለች፡ ሳቃችንና ጨዋታችን ያሞቃታል።

            ሱልጣን ቀደም ብሎ ያለው ነገር እኮ ኣሳሰበኝ። ወዳጅ መስሎ፡ ይህን የመሰለ ጠላት ከየት መጣብኝ? 🙂 የሱስን ማልዶ ዘለዓለም ሊኮንነኝ! ወይ ጉድ! መንግስተ ሰማይ ከሞት ወዲያ ለነደረጀ፡ ለነሱልጣን ትሁን! ሲዘምሩላት ይንሩ።

            እኔና ኣንተ ያኣዝማሪው ቅኝት እያንጎራጎርን እናልፋታለን። ምድራችን ቆንጆ ናት፡ እንንከባከባት።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ልክ ብለሃል ጌታው!
            ምድርን ረግጦ ወደ ሰማየ ሰማያት ማንጋጠጥ መሰላል ላይ ሲወጣ ብቻ ነው:: እቺን መሳይ ምድር ከነችግሮቿ ትሻለናለች:: ጨዋታና ግርግር ከሌለ ይጨንቀኛል::

          • Sultan

            Ere Be’Silassie Abun:
            Bete Sekelew Gheta bleh eyyeMalk?

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            “ሁሉም ሃጥያት ሰርተዋል የእግዚአብሔርም ክብር ጎድሏቸዋል ” ይላል መፅሐፉ::
            ምን ላድርግ ብለው ነው ንጉሥነትዎ? ተስፋ ብቆርጥ እኮ ነው ጌታዬ:)

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. R U serious When you say ‘As much as I dislike the TPLF, I think they were on board for the change and wanted to see Abiy successes.’?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            I am not going to in circular argument, with regards to Ethiopian political matters which includes TPLF.

            I think abd I believe Abiy come to power, because TPLF thought the system they build would work, and may be reluctantly they accepted the facts.

            In short they handed over, that’s what I think.

            Going on revising what they did (including the current truth about Dr. Negago and the constitution) serves no one when looked at from long term stability.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I think abd I believe Abiy come to power, because TPLF thought the system they build would work, and may be reluctantly they accepted the facts.

            Hi Berhe; your first mistake is when you congratulated the thugs for meaningless election and now you are making this above BS. They took PMAA they mistook him for Hailemariam Desalegn. PMAA supposed to be like Hailemariam, to follow, accept and execute orders from TPLF thugs. that was plan and PMAA hacked them while holding tanks and all banks. PMAA is the greatest hacker ever.

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ጌታዬ እንዴት ከርመዋል?
            ክቡርነትዎ እንዳስተዋሉት የደስታና የድጋፍ መግለጫዎች ከየጥቃቅኑ ሙታን ወደ ወያኔው የአዋተ ቋሚ ተጠሪ አይተ ሳሙኤል ጎርፏል::
            እነዚህ ቀባሪ ዘመድ ያጡ ሙታን ለእናት አገራቸው ቅንጣት የማይቆረቆሩ ያደረ አፋሾች እራሳቸውን ብቻ ነው የሚያታልሉት::

        • Nitricc

          Hey Abiy; I have two dilemmas I fought life long and failed to resolve.
          First, how do you free a happy and contented slave?
          Second; how do you trust and believe in something that is in fact you know, deep down to be fake, counterfeit, bogus, forged and downright wrong? How do you that? If you have a functional soul, it is impossible to do that. Ignore the losers so called wanna be Eritreans, because if you don’t have self-respect, self-worth and dignity witch they lack and I can understand and see why they do it. What i don’t get is the stake-holders, they Tigryans? They know the truth this is nothing but BS but still they go with it, why?

          • Abi

            General
            You already mentioned “functional soul, self respect, self worth, dignity ,..”
            As you can witness these characters of integrity don’t exist in these things.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy you better respect the thugs if not look what they are saying lol. here you have it.

            የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ትግራይን ከፈለጋት አክብሯት መኖር መቻል አለበት፡፡ አለበለዝያ ኤርትራ ስትሄድ አንገቴ ተቆረጠ ብሎ እየየ እንዳለው ቢል ማንም አይሰማም!

          • Abi

            Hello General
            ግድየለም እነሱ ቅራቅንቧቸውን ሰብስበው ያምልጡ እንጂ ለቅሶውን ወደ ዘፈን እንቀይረዋለን::
            ደግሞ ለቅርንጫፍ ይህ ሁሉ ፉከራ ምን የሚሉት እብደት ነው?
            ሄደው ይሞክሩት:: መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላቸው ብሏል አስተዋዩ መሪ::

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Samuel,

      Congratulations to the people of Tigray and the competing parties. The people of Tigray and their parties have exercised their democratic rights to have a legitimate leaders and parliaments. Legitimacy is everything to the stabilities of nations. Power and legitimacy comes from the voice of the people through their voting, and you did it. You become an exemplary to the region, that leaders can be elected even during wars and pandemic crises.

      Regards

      • Samuel

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat.
        Thank you!! We appreciate that!

        I completely agree with you, “Legitimacy is everything to the stabilities of nations. Power and legitimacy comes from the voice of the people through their voting”

        Thanks,

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat Samuel,
      Congrats to you guys!
      ኣቕኒእኩምና። ከም ናታትኩም ድማ ንዓና ይፍጠረልና።
      ዘይቀንእ ኣይወለድ!

      • Samuel

        Selam MM.
        Thank you so much!! ናይ ኤርትራ መረፃ’ውን ርሑቕ ኣይኸውንን። እቲ ግዜ ክሓጽር ድማ እምነ, ክሓጽር’ውን እዩ።

        Thanks,

    • Abi

      Samiti
      When you send the illegally picked clowns to Addis, they will be returned back to Dedebit with a handwritten notice on their backs that says “ wrong packages, return to sender “. Oops!
      Happy New Year.

      • Samuel

        Selam Abi,
        Happy New Year to you as well. እንካዕ ኣብጸሐካ!!

        Thanks,

    • Brhan

      Thanks Samuel for sharing this info
      I have three questions
      1.I read aljzeera news and it said a local NGO Seb Hdri was banned from observing the elections. It said it was banned by TPLF.
      2. I followed PMAA interviews he conducted on the eve of the elections and he said that the elections are የ እድር ምርጫ…how did you find it , how did other people/ found his depiction of the elections as እድር
      3. do you think this is the begining of a real row between Killil Tirgray and the federal government.
      And Samuel ርሑስ ዓውደ ዓመት

      • Samuel

        Selam Brhan,
        Thank you!! ርሑስ ዓውደ ዓመት ንኹልና!!
        1. I read aljzeera news and it said a local NGO Seb Hdri was banned from observing the elections. It said it was banned by TPLF.
        I saw the Aljazeera news, if it is true, probably the reason could be because some of the leaders of the competing political parties like Tigrai Independent Party (TIP) and Baytona were leaders or part of the NGO Seb Hdri, for example Mehari Yohannes (one of TIP leader) was the president of Seb Hdri, Abreha Teklu (one of the leaders of Baytona) was part of the Seb Hdri leadership, etc.

        2. I followed PMAA interviews he conducted on the eve of the elections and he said that the elections are የ እድር ምርጫ…how did you find it , how did other people/ found his depiction of the elections as እድር

        The PM doesn’t have a single respect in Tigray, he has broken what he has promised when he became PM. Tigray people don’t take him as a serious PM anymore. He is known for his lies and mischievous behavior.
        He was disseminating similar messages for months, thus what he said was expected by most of us. I don’t expect him to say anything good what Tigray government does. He is the guy who said “The last 27 years were years of darkness”. So, he is trying to make sure his loyal supporters are not diverted by the election.

        3. do you think this is the begining of a real row between Killil Tirgray and the federal government.
        I do believe that serious things will follow specially after October 5, he won’t have legal legitimacy to stay in power. He will be challenged formally either to step-down or share power and renegotiate with all opposition parties, including those in prison and then reinstate the election. Ultimately people has to vote their leaders. It will get real serious.

        Thanks,

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Samuel,

          I have listened to the interview of the PM with ETV, particularly related to Eritrea / Ethiopia relationship.

          He makes good point with regards to Eritrea (IA) unwavering support for Ethiopia. IA may have his own reason, but I don’t believe now or before he has any bad intention to the unity of the Ethiopia or Ethiopian people. Eritrean people is different story. Without going too much to historical aspects, what can TPLF, Tigray people and Ethiopians and Eritreans can gain from the current situation.

          What would be a win / win situation in your opinion.

          How about if TPLF take the PM at his own words and push the agenda of normalization with Eritrea possible.

          In other words, what has TPLF to lose if it makes public statements indicating that, it’s ready to implant the parser “unconditionally “ with Eritrea?

          This will check mate IA, Abiy and others and perhaps, if it ever happens, will create a positive change.

          Berhe

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            Sorry for the late response.
            Regarding Abiy interview related to Eritrea / Ethiopia relationship:-
            When Abiy is in a good mood he has always been an eloquent speaker, however you won’t see/find his words on the ground, that is his core problem. Remember the promises he has made when he became PM, but nothing has been materialized so far except false narratives.

            To tell you frankly Abiy has similar deceptive behavior as IA, the difference between the two is IA has better understanding about the world, he knows his ambition and his limits, at the same time he knows how to stay in power. Abiy is different in that regard, he believes “I can promise every superb imagination, and certain section of the society will believe me”.

            The fundamental problem with Abiy is — as a political leader he doesn’t have principle and value that guides him to lead 110 million people. His main motive is not to serve people genuinely, his main motive is thirst for power. Thus, in order to fulfill his thirst for power he had/has to lie and deceive people. We all know that a Prime Minster isn’t a religious leader who will continue with hope and unrealistic ambition indefinitely.
            Generally, I don’t think his interview was genuine.

            What would be a win / win situation in your opinion.

            In my opinion the “win-win” solution is — if only people are the beneficiary of the peace agreement. If people can’t benefit from the peace accord I don’t think we can claim that there was peace agreement between the two countries. Yes, there was peace agreement between two leaders (we don’t know the details of that agreement yet), but that peace agreement didn’t trickle-down to the greater society. So, the first step is to strengthen people to people relations, which will help to develop trust between the elites/leaders.

            In my opinion, if the border had been open till this day, it could have created a favorable environment for demarcation, but it doesn’t seem IA and Abiy were genuinely ready for that. Remember that when it comes to the border affairs it is the federal government’s responsibility, so Abiy and IA should request for demarcation first, after that we will see what TPLF will respond for that. Yes, the regional government can play a role, however the regional government shouldn’t be the sole responsibility.

            Peace doesn’t come from one side, there must be a genuine will by all actors. In 2018 and 2019 Dr. Debretsion has said that his party is ready to resolve the border issues including demarcation, but IA and Abiy started to play their own game to alienate TPLF, which has created mistrust in between them.

            Thanks,

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; I was listening to PMAA’s interview and I can’t tell you how to be a successful leader but for the failed one, look no further than how PMAA is handling the situation. He is too careful and scared of what history will say about him. I am sorry but when you lead a country of 100 million people, A nation with enormous problems, with ethnic conflict, religious division and land disputes, the last think you should worry is about history. PMAA told to his audiences that Ethiopia have four pillars and the three are broken while the country is in her final pillar and once that pillar is collapses, then the end of Ethiopia is upon us. Then he went in to typical westerns BS by trying to explained infra, intra strictures, completely missing his country’s situations in the ground. Never mind you have a run-away Killil with deepest resentment and with most disrespect to your authority. You have ninety-five thousand condominiums vanished on your own capital city while the real owners left carrying the bag and you have the nerve to annoy your people with fancy western words, infra and intra BS? The corruption in your administration is mind bugling and you telling your people about intra and infra all that crab? As long as there is structural corruption in your system, no matter what you do, you are fooling yourself and your people. The truth is you had the thugs by their balls, instead of striking the fear of god in their heart, you choose to appease and preach love, forgiveness and all that BS something never worked in the history of politics. If you were trying to emulate Mandela, then you don’t know your history, region, people and country and you have no business sitting on that chair. A leader he has to do what he said he would. you told your people if TPLF carry out the illegal election, there will be a heavy consequence and you hate to see Tigryan mothers cry. Then yesterday, you said I won’t fire a single bullet I rather send a face mask; dude get a F-ing grip. I am absolutely certain that TPLF thugs will eliminate PMAA and then here she goes Ethiopia taking the whole region with her. I do like PMAA but he is not the person who carry and fix today’s Ethiopia’s problems and challenges. He is too worried about his personal image, popularity and how history remembers him. Simply put you can’t lead a nation with many people and immense problems.

    • Brhan

      Hi Nitricc,
      Any news about when we Eritreans will have elections?
      Thanks

      • Nitricc

        Any news about when we Eritreans will have elections?

        Why do you need election for? what is the reason for it?

        • Brhan

          Hi Nitricc,
          Why do you in the USA need elections. What is the reason for it?

          • Nitricc

            USA need elections. What is the reason for it

            Hi Brhan; yes, because they can feed themselves and they don’t suffer from African mentality. Do you know the resourses that were wasted in Tigray for BS election could have alleviate some of the Tigryans suffering but Africa.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            The reason the US can feed themselves is because they have elections. The reason Africa is not able to feed itself is because it doesn’t have elections.

            This was actually proved by an Indian economist who ended up winning the Nobel peace prize. He concluded “no country that have democracy will suffer from famine / hunger”.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            The reason the US can feed themselves is because they have elections. The reason Africa is not able to feed itself is because it doesn’t have elections.

            HI Berhe there are many countries on Africa holds election but most of them can’t feed themselves. how is that? I can even give on good example. In the history of the world and Africa there was one amazing election ever that concluded by 100% votes, TPLF led Ethiopia failed to feed her self, why not? if that is the case.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I really like if you can give an example.

            What you are missing is, democracy itself doesn’t put food in your table. But it’s self correcting mechanism where issue such as food shortage can overcome if there is d add an accountable government (democracy provides) which goes to self correcting loop.

            Just because one gave election doesn’t mean, food is going to drop but the process will gets improve as it opens for critics.

            Let me give you a technical example. In the software world there is open source and proprietary (closed) code. Linux is an open source code. Microsoft is not.

            I don’t know if you know but there is a lot more vulnerability with MS than with Linux. To the point where MS come up “patch Tuesday” to issue patch / fix every Tuesday. Most people believe, it’s not that MS doesn’t have competent engineers and developers but because it’s closed system, it doesn’t benefit from the self correcting (open for critics) that Linux enjoyed from world wide.

            In today’s world, Linux is ruling the world when it comes to software and the whole cloud initiative become possible because of the open source project.

            Democracy is the same concept, which forces the system to self correct itself by identifying its weakness every time regular elections are held, such as eliminating corruption.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            The Chinese are on their way to becoming numero uno economically without ever holding an election. Your claim that the reason Americans feed themselves is because they hold elections is simply false. It is the other way around, they hold elections because they can feed themselves and more. Saudi Arabia doesn’t hold elections but is host to 8 million foreigners. It is in fact a well-known fact that no country that has a median income less than $7000 per annum can afford to hold meaningful elections. Egypt holds elections only to abrogate them with military coups when bread gets scarce. In fact, democracy is the most inefficient system of governance and you need to be rich enough to afford it. Moreover, it is the most destabilizing exercise unless the country is rich enough for the people not to care whether it is X or Y who wins. In the USA for example about 40% of the people don’t bother to vote as it makes no difference to them who wins.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Brhan. Please name one illegally occupied country over the past 20 years which has truly had democratic election(s).

        • Brhan

          Selam Dongolo,
          Last time you asked me to enlighten you and I did and I asked you the same but you did not . Do not you think it is not fare? . It is your time to name one illegally occupied country over the past 20 years which has truly had democratic election(s).

          • Dongolo

            Selam Brhan. Unfortunately, I cannot answer your questions as I am unable to decipher/ understand them. You are more scattered than a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with birdshot..

          • Brhan

            Selam Dongolo,
            So I am not going to babysit you every time to enlighten you and better find a good day care to teach you the ABC of politics, media and history.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Brhan. I am sure you have gained considerable global knowledge from your armchair watching the ‘Price is Right’ show for the past 40 years.

    • Selam Nitricc,

      So, you are advising the ethiopian pm to go forward and get the head of tplf on a platter, to show that he means business. You hate his patience and you call it his weakness. You can’t wait, and you want to see one of the two; either ethiopia is disintegrated, or she is on fire.
      Elections in tigray don’t mean anything. It is a waste of good money tplf could have spent on development, if it were not blinded by political power and if it felt responsible for the people of tigray. The elections are null and void, and if tplf doesn’t participate in the coming elections, it is not going to set foot in the ethiopian parliament. That is what PMAA said. And if there is no representative of tigray in the ethiopian parliament after the coming elections, my own conclusion is that the budget will not be released. Either tplf has to cover it with the stolen money or the people of tigray will be the ones who will be demanding for tplf’s head.
      You really don’t care if civilians die, or if the economy goes up in smoke. It is the people of tigray who are going to suffer and not tplf officials, who have the stolen ethiopian money in different offshore companies all over the world. They will not remain behind to find themselves on the receiving end of the catastrophe that will follow. These are old men and women, who survive on vodka, black label and different medications, who expect young tigrayans to die for them. Their rusted brain has no new idea to bring for tigray, as the pm said.
      The bravado by tplf was debunked when the pm said that it is a big mistake to compare the military power of ethiopia and that of the renegade tplf, and therefore, he wouldn’t fight his own people, tigrayans, and he would rather help than kill. As much as tplf is concerned, its life span is until the money it looted is finished, and it is self-destructive, and therefore, why fight a dying group like tplf.
      If you are infatuated with war and destruction, tell it to IA, and remind him that eritrean land is still under tplf occupation, and he should do something about it, similar to what you are wishing ethiopia to do. I hope that, at least you understand that this is not to the interest of eritrea. Don’t worry about ethiopia, and dream whatever you like about her. Things are not as terrifying as you are trying to paint her in black colors.
      The ethiopian pm’s patience has not decreased his self-esteem or what other people think about him. Patience is not a failure, but a mean to avoid mistakes, and it will help Abiy to take the right measures at the right time for the right results.

      • Nitricc

        The bravado by tplf was debunked when the pm said that it is a big mistake to compare the military power of Ethiopia and that of the renegade tplf,

        Hi Horizon; the fact is PMAA bought their bluffs and scared in taking any actions. The truth, the thugs had their election and PMAA failed Ethiopia and Ethiopians.

        heir rusted brain has no new idea to bring for tigray, as the pm said.

        The rusted brain worked to fend of federal government with its all mighty. the problem you failed to see is no other killil will be afraid and respect the federal government, that is gone!

        Patience is not a failure, but a mean to avoid mistakes, and it will help Abiy to take the right measures at the right time for the right results.

        NO! the thugs will get him before he does and then you can tell me how being patience is not a failure and to mean avoiding mistakes.

        If you are infatuated with war and destruction, tell it to IA

        Why don’t you admit it you guys are nothing but scared chickens. what does PIA has to do with your country? We are talking about a country of 110 million who are scared by 8 million people with rusted brain? right get the hell out here. at least be honest. It is true, if your leader coward, the people will adopt their leaders character. i understand why peeing on your pant. PIA is the man unlike your leader shintam.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Nitricc
          I don’t know what scared or successful mean to u and
          I don’t know how u expecting to develop democratic system and at same time crash every political differences by force?
          Any ways if u think he is scared(pusy) unless he spills blood, try to liberate the occupied lands of eritrea by force and u will know who 3A is.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy, take Badime. Just make sure Ethiopia and cousins, the thugs stay away. You missing my point. He can’t declare publicly something and when they dared him he swallowed shamefully. why take for something you can’t deliver. That is what i am getting at. if hasn’t said anything, no problem but he looks bad. the TPLF thugs will urinate in his mouth. watch.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            I think u didn’t listen the interview carefully or since amharic is not ur language u didn’t understand what he said.
            I told u before and i will tell u again, u guys didn’t get the poltics of ethiopia , u guys just talking fake / twisted news! If it is not for ethiopia and unity of ethiopia tigrai means nothing in terms of human , natural and capital resources so don’t let them score up.

          • Nitricc

            u didn’t understand what he said.
            I told u before and i will tell u again, u guys didn’t get the poltics of ethiopia , u guys just talking fake / twisted news!

            Hi Teddy, okay tell me what he said? What exactly is the politics of Ethiopia? All i am saying PMAA lost the most basic leader should never lose, respect and fear. GONE!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Nitriccay,

            I see your point about not shutting up or walking the talk, but you should know by now that PMAA thinks and talks at the same time.

            Teddy’s comment above is excellent. A leader shouldn’t declare war on its own people whenever there are political differences. I can’t even imagine what kind of a country with such a leader would be.

            What PMAA can/should/must do is to either negotiate with all parties to avoid future challenges or challenge whoever gets elected in Tigray legally especially, if other than TPLF is elected.

            If TPLF is re/elected, PMAA doesn’t have to do anything. The simplest and elegant move is to waste time until the rest of the country also conducts an election.

            All said and done, whatever he does or doesn’t do it will not be out of fear of any kind. He just knows there is no moral or legal justification for war.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Why do you defend a Tplf thugs who have been waging war on their own people?
            Why do you expect PMAA to negotiate with the thugs? What he should do is punish the thugs without affecting the people of Tigray negatively. ባለጌን መቅጣት እንጂ መደራደር ተገቢ አይደለም::

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Abisha,

            You better start recruiting young Amharas to send to Mekele for experience sharing on how to conduct an election during a pandemic.

            You will also need 29 million masks, gallons upon gallons of sanitizers, truck loads of soap, and unbelievable amount of water. Talk about discipline, man!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            That is a fantastic way of wasting resources that could have been spent on something productive.
            Thank you for your suggestions.
            ወዳጅ ለመቼ ነው!

          • Selam Abi,

            Nobody seems to be aware of the so-called incubation period of infectious diseases, i.e., the period between exposure and the first symptoms of the disease. Some people are imagining that covid-19 was lurking in poll stations to jump on voters like a tiger there and then and get them.
            The two weeks isolation period of contacts is mainly for this reason, that the disease may manifest itself or the tests become positive when carried out . They should have waited for two weeks before they say that covid-19 doesn’t hamper elections, and even then it depends on the prophylactic methods implemented and their success.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You have noticed SGJ’s subtle way of expressing solidarity with the lawless TPLF. I hope he will show us his victory dance in the next Negarit with the Ghanaian playing the ከበሮ and Samuel as a backup singer.

          • Selam Abi,
            True to its dictatorial nature, tplf has won 98.2% of the votes. This is characteristic of elections under dictatorship. Digital woyane will rejoice as if a new era has come to tigray, only that nothing will change.

          • Haile S.

            እንደም ኣደሩ ጀታው፡

            እህም… ማሕሙድ ሳልሕ ጠጋ ብሎ የለ እንዴ! መስከረምዳትካም ጎራ ይበሉ ጀታው። በትግርኛ ነው። መተርጎም ሰልችቶኛል። ባጭሩ፡ የምስራች መልእክት ነው።

            ትፕልፍ መጫኛ የተጫነች ደሮ ትሁንልን! ሰላም እንዲመጣ። ተስፋ ኣለመቁረጥ!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            የሃምሣ ሣንቲም ዶሮ የአንድ ብር መጫኛ ይዛ እንዳትጠፋ እግሯን ጠበቅ አድርጎ ማሰር ተገቢ ነው::
            ማህሙድ ሳልህ እጁን ሰጠ ነው የምትለኝ? አርማጌዶን መምጣቱ ነው በጊዜ ንስሐ ግባ!
            በስመአብ!

          • Dongolo

            Selam Abi. TPLF funding and support is of course conditional.

          • Abi

            Dongolo
            Since the fund is rapidly depleting, one has to be very creative in submitting his proposal to win the funds and support.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            Like you said waiting two weeks will probably indicate the accurate results.

            Having said that, the real risk is with elder people and those who have underlying condition, at least the most causality where I am. And this could be the reason in the US and other European countries.

            I don’t know if the effect is the same but countries like Ethiopia who have younger population in general may not be as vulnerable as others.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Since you have been busy traveling you missed very important information about Covid 19. Unfortunately, Children and young people are dying from the disease.

            I’m sure you enjoyed your visit to Mars. Welcome back!
            Did you bring any souvenirs? Can’t wait to see it.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Yes I got amazing sunset pictures:).

            I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

            I am not trying to undermine the series ness of the virus. As we speak, school is starting where I am and in most cases, even though the school has the ability to provide remote learning, so far over 80% parents have chose to send their children to school.

            Off course, there is a lot of planning, resources allocation, as well as logistics being put in place. I know other countries such as in Asia, Europe like Germany have started school as well.

            In short, I don’t the risk is a legitimate reason for life to totally stop from moving.

            Question for you: what do you think the US elections, are they going to happen?

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I think you were too close to the sun your brain is fried! Last time your were suffering from brain-freeze due to your extended stay at the North Pole.

            Yes, there is going to be election in US. Go ahead compare US to Tigray since both COUNTRIES are of the same developmental standards.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You forgot we are taking about meto bemto.

            Happy new year. Don’t forget to watch the game tonight.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; you know how you preach democracy and that BS. Now do you regret congratulating the thugs? Tell me any election that has 98.2% wining a democratic election? Oh, sorry North Korea. here you have it. wake up man.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I told you already any election is better than yes election.

            Eritrea referendum was 98.9%.

            I am not saying the Tigray election is accurate. You are right 98% seems way exaggerated, I would expect 60.

            You wanted Abiy government to use force to stop it which would have been devastating.

            The bottom line is, will Abiy will hold the next election or not.

            That’s what I am congratulating them for, they challenged him and see what his excuse will be next.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I told you already any election is better than yes election

            Hi Berhe: I think you are corrupted to the core. have it your way. what you are saying is you rather be faked than to be told the truth. wow!!!!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am not saying fake ekection is better than a true election. I am saying any election is better than no election.

            For example, if EPRDF has no ekection to replace HD you will not have Abiy.

            Suppose IA is gone tomorrow, how would you replace him?

            PFDJ have not convened since 2002, have of the members are either dead, exiled or jailed.

            I would rather have a a regular PFDJ election than no election all these years.

            You wanted force, finiancial and economic punishment for the region and I am glad Abiy didn’t go along.

            Another thing, please tone it down on your allegations. There is a saying “a thief thinks everyone is a thief like him”. Money is not always a reason for people do or say what they do or say. Different people have different opinions and it’s okay if their opinion doesn’t match yours.

            I see a couple of changes recently:

            1) the Agazian / Tigray-Tigrinya hatew qetew have toned down. I don’t know if TPLF got the message but regardless it’s good sign.

            2) I don’t believe the Tigray people yes matter How much they disagree with TPLF they throw them away, sane way the Eritrean people no matter they disagree with EPLF they will not throw them away, until they feel there is a trusted replacement.

            3) we need to find a win win solution without undermining each other. We need a lasting peace. I wanted to see Eritrea, Ethiopian main and Tigray make peace and live in peace. If TPLF / EPLF change their ways and make peace, personally I welcome that. It’s best scenario for future peaceful existence rather than all other alternatives.

            Hope this make sense.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y,.

            You are right. It is known that elderly people, especially those with concomitant diseases have higher morbidity and mortality, and young people are supposed to be less susceptible to the virus. This of course doesn’t mean that they are immune to the disease.
            The latest surge in covid-19 has shown that younger people are also affected by severe disease, of course not to the extent as older people. Maybe the fact that there are fewer cases of the disease and lower number of deaths in Africa, could be explained by the younger population compared with the western world, where there is a large percentage of older people. But, nobody is sure about that.

          • Saleh Johar

            Fanti,
            Regardless on what people think about the TPLF. Government, the way they managed the logistics and the voting process is impressive. I know some are avert to election, but it was so, why is Abiy so disturbed by it? Now they have proved pandemic cannot jumper elections. These are facts regardless of the political opinion on elections or the internal differences. Going forward will certainly be trick with all the war cries coming from different corners. Phase one of Game is really over for me 🙂

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh,

            Right. Many of us have been watching the situation with concern lest something dramatic might happen to complicate the matter. In my opinion, both sides showed some cool demeanour, each from own position. The Federal side did not take any hasty measure to at least hamper the process. The Tegrai region side tried and succeeded to hold peaceful and impressively managed election, despite the odd condition of the pandemic. This had to do with organization, discipline and control the regional government had been able to count on. Of course some sceptics would say the Woyanes are only too good in controlling and surveillance of the people.

            Now, it seems things won’t be the same as before and after this election. Facts have established that can change the national debate. The Federal government does not, if it would conduct business wisely, any option but hold the situation calm without taking any punitive (!) measure. The success of the election has already produced a challenge the pandemic was not such a powerful reason to postpone the election across the entire nation.

            So, it would be easier to disdain from confrontation and try to consider the election a fait accompli and rethink elections in the rest of the nation. For this to happen, dialogue is the all time value that should be opted, and the entry point is release of all political detainees and open genuine dialogue.

          • Sultan

            Selam Ustaz Ismael:
            Fair and reasonable comment/analysis.

            Few things to express in my naive opinion, if I may interject:

            -The postponement was from political ,stability and from serious Public Health concern point of view.

            -There was no point for the TPLF to go its way and do things “illegally” since waiting for few months more or a year should not have been a big.

            Here are/might be the “facts”,in my opinion:

            The TPLF from the get to go confronted and attacked the Federal Govt OPENLY and contributed to the destabilization and the safety of the fragile nation through various ways,which I don’t want to indulge into -being quite obvious.

            For the TPLF to run the elections defiantly in the fake name of “fake Constitution”while fully knowing the chaos, mobs and riots leading to mass massacre and economic destruction,which allegedly,has been blamed for,was further to sabotage and to set up the Federal Govt and to create further chaos and riots showing the other Regions that it is possible to run elections in the middle of the pandemic.

            Plus,Tigrai might have been in relative stability compared to chaotic Oromia to run the “fake elections”.

            Finally,doing elections for the sake of it and for alleged sinister motives as I tried to speculate above is so EASY and simple.
            It is not a big deal to distribute face masks and do registrations and tell people to throw ballots.
            Moreover,considering the gravity of the pandemic,why should one take the unnecessary risks of aggravating the pandemic just for the sake of making few political scores?
            This type of an election is NOT a National Emergency…but the deadly pandemic is one,in fact,one of the worst the world has come across.

            And finally ,the TPLF and its puppets and surrogate parties could have used the ample time offered to them by the Election Commission (8-12m) to get organized better in a peaceful way.

            The fact that the TPLF and Co including the likes of Jawar and Garba rushed into pushing for elections during this pandemic and political instability of the fragile and unstable nation while at the same time deliberately causing chaos and riots in the nation speaks volumes that the major aim and target was to destroy Dr AAA and his PP using this fluid situation thereby “win the fake election”.
            Why do we think the “richest ” and the most powerful country in every asset and aspect, has declared Election by Mail,besides failing the pandemic despite being well equipped with all resources one can have?
            It is NOT all about politics but safety and stability.

            Dr AAA et al and other leaders /Govts are all NOT only just corrupt politicians but are Leaders,who are concerned about the safety and stability of their own nations and people,me thinks.

            You know what?

            It sounds or might sound like,the TPLF used the tigrai people as Guinea PIGS by deciding to test them by running elections during a deadly pandemic….for the sake of scoring cheap political scores and to sabotage the Federal Govt,which has chosen(The Abiy Govt)to show admirable restraints and patience,which is considered as being weak and coward by the naive and the “sabotagers” and “destabilizers”,which is beyond bigotry.
            There was NO NEED to take a potentially deadly risk to be impressed and admired by external observers.

            Let us wait for 2-3 weeks and judge then about the gravity of the pandemic in Tigrai,which I hope it will be ok.

            My naive and commonsense point is :
            Why take such a huge risk when you have less risky choice B?
            To abide by the “Constitution”.

            Oh Lord…”Let them get lost”,excuse me.

            This is worse than Trump down playing deliberately the pandemic when he was SERIOUSLY WARNED about the GRAVITY of the COVID-19 pandemic in Feb of 2020,if you listened to his interview to Rob Woodward and watched Trump’ White House Press Conference recently.
            N.B.:
            This is a naive and plain as well as an apolitical opinion from”A Public Heath Officer’s” point of view.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. Do you have an independent and credible source of info to support your assertion re TPLF that ‘the way they managed the logistics and voting process is impressive’?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Dongolo,
            Yes I have from several people I trust.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. I appreciate your sense of humor. Trust that you have seen reports of fraud, vote theft and lack of observer access. Like Seye Abraha recently stated, Tigray’s TPLF leadership has essentially been reduced to a one-family affair.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Isn’t a “party affair” is similar to a family affair? Nothing new. When parties won elections, the government is run by their members, anywhere and everywhere. You can only make them accountable by the laws and institutions in place.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dongolo,

            Don’t read what’s not written (pls tell that to Abi also).

            Let me repeat: carrying out an election that the prime minister thought was impossible due to the pandemic, is impressive. If you think it is not, I have no problem with that. That’s all

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. You opened the door with your non sequitur.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            I hope you believe me if I tell you that I don’t believe you in this particular topic.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; i believe it. that could be the reason SG is shay from criticizing any thing about Tigray and the criminals, TPLF.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            I would have replied to you, but i think you don’t know the difference between jingoism and criticism. BtW, I never read any criticism from you but jingoism and insults. Think about it

          • Nitricc

            Hi SG; that is fine, i respect your opinion, however; I think you have answered it accidentally what i was questioning. I always wondered why you never said a word about the thugs. case in point do you really believe in a democratic election a party could win 98 and 100%? Instead of questioning that you dubbed as “Impressive” really SG? I leave it for the readers to judge for themselves, I rather have no election than some one playing me joke on me with 98% election victory.

          • Saleh Johar

            See Nitricc,
            Not everyone thinks the way you do. Still, I never talked about the election results and I didn’t object you describing it in every jingoist manner you could. I commented on the fact that it was carried out. The objection was that one cannot carry out an election due to the pandemic. That they have proved impressively.

            Take home points:
            1- If I say Nitricc is a good driver, it doesn’t mean I approve or disapprove his destination. It doesn’t mean I am commenting about car issue whether it consumes too much gas or if it is hybrid. It doesn’t mean i am saying the car was bought on installment of car, or was stolen.
            2- Stick to what you read and if you wish to surmise stuff from your imagination, don’t hold others responsible for your imagination.

            Repeat: the fact that they did it despite the pandemic is impressive to me because they proved the naysayers wrong. Stick to that without adding too much luggage to it.

            Final: say your word without trying to garner support from readers. They think for themselves and if they have to say something they will do it on their own. Stop is ganging us initiatives, it’s not good for a calm debate.

            Conclusion:
            1-I have been doing questioning for too long, now it’s your turn. And many times the jingoism spoils it for me; I do not want to repeat what the jingoists say. If you want interaction, just make your points without adjectives –that may put debaters off. It certainly puts me off.
            2-Try to comment without anger, insult and needless adjectives. Do you remember how many times you used to repeat ‘toothless” for years? Why would engage with that kind of comment? Now you stopped that but replaced it with rundown words like “thugs” and ‘digital weyane”, etc. That’s not mature debating.

            Just a thought, I hope you take it with a sporty spirit.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            Yes I believe you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Memhir,

            “Now they have proved pandemic cannot jumper elections.”

            Almost immediately after Tigray announced its conclusion of “a safe and successful” election, I heard from one relatively reliable news source about Ethiopian Election Commission calling a meeting or something to that effect to discuss how election might be conducted while dealing with the pandemic. If that is true and election is expedited, Ethiopia could solve the sticky situation it finds itself in quicker than we fear. Pray for us!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            What you are saying is 98.2% fake news!
            Happy New Year!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Happy New Year to you and to all our Awate family too!

          • Nitricc

            Fantish; what is the point then? TPLF was in power and they will be in power after the election because they are going to win. They may say by 70% and that is improvement from 100%, in that regard i agree with you. Don’t lose your sight, we need people like to stay with their virtue. regardless how you slice it, the election is nothing meaningless. TPLF is luck the man on the top at the federal system has no guts.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Fanti,

            This short crispy reply to the anti-election group, hits a home run in the Ethiopian political landscape. The government of Tigray United the Tigray people to conduct the election successfully – a win in the election saga between your “state” and the “federal government” of Abiy, who postponed it for his own political reasons. Congratulations to the people of Tigray.

            You are right other states should send their young to share and to learn that elections could be done in pandemic time, if you have a strong and responsible governments are in place.

            Regard

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; I what is the number of population in Tigray? I thought it was six million, okay eight million but check this out and the fake and useless election.

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=632987527603362&set=a.155641875337932&type=3

          • Nitricc

            If TPLF is re/elected, PMAA doesn’t have to do anything. The simplest and elegant move is to waste time until the rest of the country also conducts an election.

            The great Fantish: the election is illegal, void and null. that is the problem. let me explain. although as usual some Ethiopians and the good for nothing TPLF lover Eritrean mistook my point. My main point is, A leader should shut up or if he or she talks, deliver! PMAA all he does is talk and no delivery and this will not go far for the best interest and stability of the nation. And my problem is I do believe firmly that, TPLF is not and does not mean the people of Tigray. If PMAA wants to hurt the people of Tigray all he has to do is cut the budget but he didn’t that and that is clearly PMAA thinks the same way as I do. However; the problem gets worst down the road for Ethiopia and for the Tigryan people. When the national election takes place, the one that is legal and approved by election commotion; at the conclusions of the election then killils will pick their representations in to the parliament, However, Tigray can’t do that because their election was void and null. Now what? So, carrying out this election shows me two things. Either the TPLF thugs are already decided to execute article 39 and be done with or they are so occupied with Humiliation of PMAA they don’t even know the consequence of their action. The whole thing is far from over, the Raya thing is a problem, the Walkayt thing is a mess and getting dangerous by the day, the Kimant thing is already turning in to life loses. I still can’t understand the point of the election? I read some dumb and stupid Eritreans congratulating to the digital weyanes on this forum and I ask why are you congratulating anybody? For what? simply put; stupidity.

          • Selam Nitricc,

            Poor tplf doesn’t know what to do, as it faces its imminent demise. All these, the moon-light elections, as the pm calls it, and others call it shanty elections, and all the things it does to frustrate the federal government, is to show that Abiy is not the leader and tigray is a de facto independent state, even if its budget is covered by the federal government, tplf is quarantened in mekele, and 4killo palace has become as far away as New York.
            That is why they don’t know what they are doing. It shows their immaturity, short sightedness, their big frustration and hopelessness.
            Come October 5, i think, they will start shouting at the top of their voice, that PMAA is holding power illegally, his term has ended, even if the Ethiopian parliament is still functioning normally and it is the same parliament that extended his term. They may even write complaints to different world organizations, unaware that that is the job of the Ethiopian parliament, because it is not a coute d’etat.
            The other kilills are not interested in tplf’s ways of showing bravado. Moreover, they do not have stolen money like tplf which they can throw away.
            Tplf feels its weakness, it knows its precarious situation, and every thing it does is out of fear for its future and not out of its strength to change the situation.
            Time is the number one enemy of tplf. With time tplf will have more enemies than friends in tigray. Tigrayans should be vigilant that tplf may show its ugly teeth due to its frustration.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; my question when there is national election all over Ethiopia, does Tigray do anther election to qualify to be represented in the parliament? Because the election they just had is illegal and it doesn’t count. I think Tigray will be forced to hold anther election, there is no other way around. What a waste of resources, time and energy. I really think they never thought all this things they just concentrated on how to humiliate and degrade PMAA. Now what?

          • Selam Nitricc,
            As you said, these elections are null and void and they have no legitimacy. In my opinion, unless tplf carries out new elections with the rest of the killils, it can’t send mps to the ethiopian parliament, which means there will be no representation of tigray killil and everything stops, budget, etc., because there will be no elected body to handle it.
            That could be the moment of truth, whether the people of tigray will stand with tplf or against tplf, and if relations would worsen or not with the federal government and the rest of the country. If PP wins the majority of the votes, which most probably it will, it will have the voice and the support it needs to do what it plans.

    • hawkeye

      Selam Nittricc,

      Well, duh. Everyone else but PFDJ supporters could see that HGDEF’s “Game over” diatribe they were espousing since PMAA came into power would never come into fruition. We’ve been seeing this game over mantra for 20 years and still no success from the PFDJ camp.

      Everyone but YPFDJ can see that HGDEF is a complete failure at strategy and prioritizes instant gratification over long-term goals.

      We saw this when they funded TPDM only for them to pledge allegiance to TPLF. When they funded OLF only for them to have no significance in government. When they supported SPLA reformers only for the secessionists to win. When they tried to undermine the Sudanese political accord and failed. Also Ginbot 7. Nothing your administration has ever done has succeeded.

      We already knew what the outcome would be when y’all placed your bets on Abiy. It’s only PFDJ who fashion themselves great strategists.

    • Yp

      Selam Nitricc.

      We knew Abiy was going to be a #fail starting from when Isaias and his loyal followers cosigned him. Isaias is the probably one of the worst strategists in human history. From hosting Ginbot 7 to trying to stop Sudanese political accord, everything ended up being for naught. 20 years of failure trying to take down TPLF because of miscalculations and failed strategies. It was inevitable your hopes in Abiy would, too, end in dismal failure.

      A good prediction of whether or not something will fail, is whether or not you guys support it.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላም ሳባ ሃይሉ
    ሶሪ ኣይትፈልጥንን

    የግዳስ
    ‘ታይ ከምዝኾንኪ ተሕዝንኒ
    ኣብ ባርነት ዘለኺ ኴኑ ስመዓኒ
    ገጽኪ ናብ ተንኮበት ተቐይሩ
    ——-ሂወትኪ
    ——-ብስንኪ
    ——-ዝድያብሎስ ሰብኣይኪ
    ካብ ንቡር ንላዕሊ ተሸምሪሩ
    ኴኑ ይስመዓኒ

    ምስ ጓል መንቆርየስ ኴንኪ
    ንኮለኔል ዒሉ
    ቡን ምስ ኣፍላሕክሉ
    —–ፋቻኺ ኣብ ክንዲ ክብርቲ
    —–ንግስቲ
    —–ትመስሊ
    ገጽ ዝኸፈኣ-ሸቃሊት መሲሉ

    ኣነስ ናብራ ኣይጠዓመክን ይብል
    ግን ከኣ ተዛረብ ኢሉኒ ምበር መን ምስጠዓሞ

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awatawyan,

    I didn’t get the number of responses I was expecting to my questions. That’s fine. Hopefully, next time.

    If you had said the nosy nose, the mustache for the men…, you would be almost there. The common feature between the men is what is absent from the head. I mean front of the head. Saleh, remove your Beret please! Here you go! We are done with the men!

    The common feature between the women is what is present on the front of the head. It is the hair style. The Pompadour Style! Building a tuft of hair over the front. It was a style named after Madame Pompadour, that famous concubine of Louis XVth, the grandfather of Louis XVIth (Marie Antoinette’s husband). Despite Madame Pompadour’s tuft was much smaller and a little backward (like Saba’s in the picture), the style was named after her. Saba carried a more voluminous tuft on other times. Marie Antoinette carried it in a very elaborate manner, but the addition of pearls dumped the tuft. Nowadays many celebrities carry it. Suffice to google Pompadour-men or Pompadour-women, and you will see the styles.

    Imagine if IA had Pompadour-men hair cut, it would have relaxed him much much better. I am sure Saleh will come with a wig on his 100th Negarit.
    TemaHirkum aleKum.

    • Abi

      መምህር
      100th Negarit is already done last week. Pay attention!
      I think I’m close when it comes to the two men.

      • Haile S.

        ጀታው፡
        መች ሳልሕ ይሸውዳል ብየ ኣሰምኩ!
        የኔስ ቀለሙ መለወጥ ካልሆነ፡ ሀያጅ ኣይደለም. ስለሱ ሳወራ፡ ፖምፓዱር ቁርጥ እያመረኝ ነው.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ras Abi,
        You managed to hoodwink us for years. Your Tigrinya is not poor as you claim and I always gave credit for the in-house translator 🙂

        • Abi

          Ato Saleh
          My Tigrinya is not poor. It is nonexistent.
          I read the subtitles when you narrate the stories.
          የቐንየለይ

          • Nitricc

            Ras Abiy; from this day on, the Ras thing is take of the table. How could you not learn Tigrigna? That is i will give the position i had planed for you in Eritrea and that goes to KIM, it is official unless you learn Tigrigna, ASAP. if one person speaks two languages, the he becomes like two in one. I was inspired by SG when he said he was studying Spanish and i started learning Arabic. N’shaAlha i will keep it up. So my challenge for you is to learn Tigrigna, it is a challenge and accept the challenge. Don’t be toothless.

          • Abi

            General
            Depends on the position I will start learning Tigrinya tonight. ማእሬ ሹካሬ … How is this for starting!
            It better be a great position like አሰብ ራሥ ገዝ አስተዳዳሪ:)
            የቐንየለይ

          • Saleh Johar

            That is nice Nitricc,
            And here is your bonus for starting to learn the language. Many Tigrinya say “N’shaAlha” and it means nothing, the closest it could mean is the construction of god:-). The correct spelling is “Inshaa Allah”, two words meaning “If God wills.”

          • Nitricc

            Hey SG; thanks. When people said it, sounds one-word. i know now.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. Did not the first use of the single word ‘inshallah’ come from Hebrew? And, did not Christians use a single word whilst Islam brought about use of two words?

          • Saleh Johar

            Dongolo,

            Hebrew and Arabic are related so the words developed alongside each other. But I don’t know.

            I was correcting the spelling based on the language not religion because anyone speaking Arabic would have to say it correctly to make sense InshaaAllah not “nshaallah” therefore, when speaking in Arabic, Jews or Muslims or Christians say “InshaaAllah” which means: If Allah wills.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. Thanks. My reply was more in response to your assertion that the correct spelling of Inshaa Allah is two words, which seems to be the case only as it applies to Islam. No?

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi (no Ras this time). I don’t believe you.

        • Nitricc

          Hey SG; I followed you in most of your Negarit edition and in my humble opinion this the worst one, I don’t even fully understood your main point. I know you don’t like criticism but some one has to say it. Saba is not a political figure, why bring here? Again i just failed to see your point.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc, don’t paint me wrong.
            I don’t like foolish criticism. if you criticise, teach me something, show me something objectively, subjective are just that, everyone has them.
            If you think the first lady is insignificant, I can only say, thank you for letting me know about your views 😉 Then i didn’t even raise her name in a bad way, I admired her. What’s wrong with that? also, I am sure you knw people who think i shouldn’t raise the name of abi Arghen and anyone who has a soft spot for anything PFDJ is not qualified to criticize me on how I deal with them. You could be thinking like that when youi say I do not like criticism. You think someone who cheers the cruel gangs is even qualified to criticize anything? 🙂

            But you can criticize as much as you want my friend. Just remember the abuse I go through to be characterized as someone who doesn’t take criticism! Ajaaaayeb 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            “You think someone who cheers the cruel gangs is even qualified to criticize anything?” Well put question. This question could do well to him than the rest of your explanation.

          • Nitricc

            You think someone who cheers the cruel gangs is even qualified to criticize anything? 🙂

            Hey SG; what are you talking about? i have never cheered TPLF their gangs, you are mixing me up with someone. I don’t have to be qualified to criticize, all i said was your Negarit in this edition was a toothless. lol. If i can not either learn from it or understand your point i.e. it is a toothless for ME.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selamat SaleH
          If they call it ራስ in Amharic, why is it called in Tigrigna ራእሲ rather than ርእሲ? ንሽመት ማለተይ ዩ።

          • Saleh Johar

            MM,
            It could be an Arabic origin and influence as far as using it as a title is concerned. For instance, Ras Alula gave himself the title “Turk Pasha”. Pasha is a high Turkish title, in Tigrinya we say Bashay. I think Ras is from Arabic Re’ees, but then something went wrong in mimicking and adopting it. I guess.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. Ras comes from the Aramaic word Raz as in secret and secret leadership.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Haile; you got me, i was rocking my Hangoal derho mimd as (Berhe would say) all day, lol Fine You win, this time around.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Nitricc,

        You are not “tête-de-moineau” (ተት ደ ሟኖ) (ሓንጎል ጭሩ ብፈረንሳ). It is me the “moineau” picking the Teff among the wheat grains.

  • Haile S.

    Selamat Saleh and Awate forumers,

    Nice portrait of two men, two women and a child.

    Question for forumers:

    What is common between the two women?
    And what is common between the two men?

    • Brhan

      መርሓባ ሃይለ
      እተን ክልተ ኣንስቲ ተረዲኤናኒ ‘ለዋ
      እቶም ክልተ ግን ? እቲ ሓደ ውለቀ መላኺ እቲ ካልኣይ ግን መን ኢዩ?

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Brhan,

        Say the similarities between the women then?
        Stay on the portrait. As to their functions, one moderates, the other dictates, no similarities at all. ገለ ኣዛሪብካ ምስ ሳልሕ ከተባእሰኒ! ወይ ጉድ:-) :-).

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Hailat S,

          You sound like the late Powlos NeGno of Ethiopian..

          “ገለ ኣዛሪብካ ምስ ሳልሕ ከተባእሰኒ! ወይ ጉድ:-) :-).”Ha Ha Ha,,

          Where are you Abi?

          KS..

          • Saleh Johar

            Kokob,
            You reminded me of our Paulos, where is he? Does anyone know?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            The last few weeks prior to his absence, he sounded a little stressed and a little out of his elements. I hope he is doing well and it is only the annoying politics that was the cause.

            Most of us have a very high regard for him and I hope he lets us know his where about.
            I felt the same way about Hayet Adem too but she stopped by once recently and we know she is fine, just tired of politicking.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi KM.

            I hope he is doing well. I think someone said, he is in Tigray running the election, if true good for him.

            But I think, Semere Tesfai and Nitricc, may be Abi as well were making all kinds of allegation against him and he is probably fed up. One comment was, the we’re saying he is a she.

            Nitricc I know you don’t know Asmara or Asmarino inside jokes. I don’t think Semere knows either. David Solomon knows for sure.

            Paulo I don’t remember when, he was talking teenage asmarino boys stuff the go through, such as enda BeTe, enda ChernaE, babilon ladies.

            No Eritrean girls would venture there for sure, unless she happens to be one who works there.

            And a person of Paulo caliber will never works there if she is a women.

            I can tell you Paulo is fino asmarino. I am saying you are wrong but the gender approach give it a break.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I watched Sweden play Portugal. Portugal won 2-0. Your boy played great. Don’t tell me you haven’t watched the only soccer player of Eritrean origin who doesn’t disappear after an international game.

            All I said about my half brother Paul is that he was a girl sometime in the past. Her name was Pappilon.
            Nobody knows better than yours truly when it comes to his brother/sister.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Yes I haven’t watched the game. After your last comment, I am considering getting a subscription to watch more soccer. However I am watching raptors game.

            I don’t know the EST time zone doesn’t seem to work for me, but will look at closer.

            If you any suggestions that’s welcome.

            I know what you mean about your half brother.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Raptors who? Is that volleyball?
            Just kidding.
            Football starts this Thursday. Premier League starts Saturday.
            My suggestion is watch premier league where the results are unpredictable and the champion team is not known before the season starts.
            Celtic, Juventus, Madrid/Barcelona, PSG, are going to be champions again. Boring.

          • Nitricc

            Nitricc I know you don’t know Asmara or Asmarino inside jokes. I don’t think Semere knows either. David Solomon knows for sure.

            Hey Berhe; you are right I don’t know about Asmara and Asmarino, however; I am a believer she is Asmara born and raised in Asmara and with Tigryan origin. I have no problem with that but just be honest and be proud of it, Have you ever read anything positive about Eritrea? Never!!!!!

    • Abi

      መምህር
      The common thing is gender.
      That was easy! What is my reward ?

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abi,

        I lol-ed. አረ ላንጀቴ ኣስብለት:-) :-). True, but you didn’t read my mind. Sorry no reward this tiime.

        • Abi

          መምህር
          Sorry I messed up.
          Both women are beautiful.
          ወንዶቹ እግዚአብሔር ውበት ሲያድል ከፊት ተሰልፈው እግዚአብሔር ከመጨረሻ የጀመረ ይመስላል:: የተራረፈውን ነው የወረወረላቸው:: የውበት እንጎቻ እንበለው?
          Tell me I got it right this time.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            እንጎቻ (ጭልቓ) የማይወድ ማን ኣለ ብለው ነው!

    • Saleh Johar

      Haile,
      Tederer!

  • Brhan

    Merhababu Saleh …Seni Wedeka

    It is a variety of yummy menu for the mind.
    On French Revolution: It is the first significant lesson that taught when people united won’t be defeated. The Russians learned from it and did it.
    On Ethiopian Revolution and Awate: He triggered the first significant uprising that lead to the Ethiopian revolution. Eritreans understood from this great man they can say no and get up for their right, So did Ethiopians as a result Ethiopians who have had grievances with the King should celebrate Awate day!!
    On Selfie, Nardos, Narcissus: The cure is continuous prayers: اعوذ بالله من كلمة انا ካብ አነ ኣነ ምባል የድሕነና!!
    On Wzo Saba Haile’s cake, was a big PR for the dictator to show the new dictator of how to be a dictator while you depict yourself as humble person.

    Thanks

    • Saleh Johar

      Brhan,
      You are way behind:-) he learned and over learned the tricks. He even improvised a shoeshine boy though the
      Pope washes someone’s feet to depict the deeds of Jesus.

  • Abi

    Selam Ato Saleh
    I don’t understand why you brought ቀዳማዊ እመቤት ሣባ ኃይሉ and the grandchildren here. I see no relevance at all. ምን ነካዎ ጌታው?

    በረንዳዎን ቀለም የቀባው አይነስውር ከሆነ ሽልማት ካልሆነ ግን ባስቸኳይ ታርሞ በሚቀጥለው ነጋሪት እንዲቀርብ!

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Abi,

      I was lost on your last sentence and was about to give up. At the suggestion of Johar I went to minute mark 18 to listen to, I think Tigrinya a language I don’t understand, to get a general whiff. I said that Ras Abi never misses an opportunity to pinch the owner of the house. LOL

      On a serious note, I want to highlight the essence of narcissism by pointing out to the very 2nd comment on this article of Brhan above.
      It is a verbal “selfie” in the middle of Ethiopian revolutions as a background. I really don’t think Brhan and many others notice the irony of his comments.
      Perhaps as an Ethiopian, I should have cut him a little slake on his jubilation. But what do you do, when one jumps on your foot, is it o.k to at least say ouch.

      Mr. K.H

      • Abi

        Mr Kim
        Brhan is comfortably sitting in the dark. I gave up bringing him to the light. Ethiopians celebrating Awate day should be punishable by አርባ ጅራፍ and their citizenship removed and should be deported to Eritrea. There, they can celebrate Awate day three times a week.

        Haven’t you noticed the paint on the wall and the handrails behind Ato Saleh? Pay attention to details! If I do that kind of job my First Lady will send me straight to the doghouse.
        ላሜቦራን አስመሰሉት እኮ ጃል!

        I don’t know what the lady said on that clip . She sounds angry. She received a standing ovation from the stands.

        • Saleh Johar

          Kim,
          Whatever you think I assure you I didn’t paint the wall or build the rails for this episode. It has been there since 20 years 🙂

          But what’s wrong with the wall or the rails? Could you explain please! I thought you do that when bluffing about a pairing in a museum. No?

      • Brhan

        Hello Kim and Abi,
        Thank you for your comments to my comment above. I believe you took my comment out of its context.
        Kim, you agree with me that it is good to read history. If you read the history of Eritrean struggle you will find out how an event that happened in Eritrea affected Ethiopia. I will give you two source to support my comment on how Awate who triggered the Eritrean uprising relates to the Ethiopian revolution:
        1) Mohamed Khier Omar, The Dynamics of an unfinished African dream , Lulu publishing press page 157 ( BTW Dr. T. Negash reviewed this book recently in awate.com)
        2) In his interview with assena.com Ahmed Alqeysi, an EPLF veteran, tells how Osman Sabe played a big role in cereating EPRP. Sabe was
        Mr. Kim, this particular comment has nothing to do in narcissism. It is based on the above facts. I know sometimes historical facts can be bitter but we have to understand them otherwise, we will repeat mistakes. I hope by now you understand my point.
        Abi, read the above!

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Brhan,

          I agree with you, it is good to read history. One of the advantages of reading history, I am told, is to project in to the future. (Do not repeat the bad ones.)
          I have also been told that history is written by the victor. With all that caveat I will ask you a question: Did you read an Amharic book titled….Ye Eritrea Guday… by a former Ethiopian Ambassador Zewde Retta.? Or have you heard about it, in the event it is not translated in to other languages.
          I could be wrong, I am pretty sure it would not be translated in to Tigrinia or Arabic as it would not jive with the narrative.

          Mr. K.H

          • Brhan

            Hello Kim,

            I know the book. I enjoyed reading it because of its valuable information, information that was kept with the then Ethiopian government VIP officials .

            Translation? Come on. It is a straight business. What about to English? Do you know who pays and I can refer translators.

            Ye Eritrea Guday book written by the late Ambassador Zewde Reta stopped in 1963, whereas the Ye Eritrea Guday did not, but it continued until the country was liberated in 1991.

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim,
            I will try to satiate your curiosity:-)

            Zewde Retta’s book had nothing new to most Eritreans because we grew up surrounded by propaganda that vilified anyone who challenged the feudal system–specially Zewde Retta’s villains. He portrayed Ibrahim Sultan, the great man who fought for the emancipation of the serfs long before that kind of fighting was an admirable fight to wage. He was portrayed as a fanatic Muslim “camel-herder” in all the propagands and Zewde repeated the tired portrayal that was frequently on Radio, newspaper and official lectures. In Zewde Retta’s case, he is a “Janhoi Man” and I wouldn’t expect a different narration from him except to reflect the ruling class’ perspective. But a friedn suggested a silution: readimg that book, just changing the adjectives 180 degrees, like reading “Leba sewiye” as “Tamagn sewiye’ and vice versa, then you get a good narration 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            You are right on one thing, he was a “Janhoi Man”, because he was a Janhoi man. It seems you have read the book and that is good enough for me. You have to admit he backed up all the events with the source material including the U.N documents.
            I was just testing Brhan if he was open to all information and he was.

            I have to tell you also, in regard to Ras Abi and you, it is always comedy hour for me. I don’t know about you.
            After he post something in your direction, I visualize you making that Ethiopian sound by closing your mouth and teeth and sucking air a couple of times.
            It was what parents say without saying anything to disapprove what was said.
            It is sometimes nice to lighten up a little under the circumstances.

            Mr. K.H

        • Brhan

          Corrections: Please read Sabe who had contacts with Awate ( instead who met with Awate) lived in Ethiopia and saw the Ethiopian people were also exploited by the king.

      • Saleh Johar

        Sorry Kim, it’s the 17:48 mark. Apologies.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ras Abi,
      It’s just like “besme Ab” you have to mention frequently. It’s respecting your First Lady. Don’t you do that with Wnnesh, if it’s the name of your First Lady:-)

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Saleh
        It is not important. Just wanted to give hard time .
        The green paint on the handrails and the balusters messed up the post. It just needs a little touch up.

        • Saleh Johar

          Abi,
          You made me curious and I had to see and found the stains. Then I asked my relatives. They started to touch up the rail wood and are touching up the stains but I came that day and they had to stop. And I was wondering why there were brushes and paint on the side. See! I do not pay attention to such things and give benefit of the doubt before commenting. I thought it was hilarious for an Ethiopian to say that. Have you been in any construction site, even a wall painting job in Addis? How do you find the mess? They make it look like a bombed out site:-)

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Glad you found the stains on the wall. I’m sure Negarit 101 will be stain free both in appearance and content.
            Have I ever been to a construction site in Addis? በስመአብ! It looks like a place after “Hurricane Nitricc “ went through it.