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Viewpoint: Events In Ethiopia

It has been over a year since the widespread public unrest erupted in the Oromia state of Ethiopia. This year, the simmering conflict between the Amara and Tigrai regions over parts of Welkait also erupted. While the Ethiopian government is now facing the two problems, Ethiopians and others are engaged in serious (and heated) debates over at awate forum. Many insightful analysis of the situation, and brilliant ideas on how the crisis should be addressed or resolved were posted on the Awate Forum; today, we are presenting to you one such comment by Fanti Ghana.


Wolkait:

This may be surprising but there is no Wolkait identity issue raised by Wolkait let alone fight about it. Their identity question was addressed and settled 25 years ago. However, there was and still is a farmland issue raised by their immediate cousins and neighbors in Amhara Kilil, which started many years ago. The talks were interrupted by the war with Eritrea and it never was addressed since. In either case, regardless of who raised the Wolkait question, the Federal government has ordered the Tigray and Amhara kilil administrators to address and solve the Wolkait identity and Tsegede farm land question according to the laws already in place that were designed to address these very issues. Luckily, that law predates this problem.

Oromia:

Equating the rejection of the so called “Master Plan” by Oromia with shortcomings of ethnic federalism [EF] is a mistake. The Oromos had already raised a much more complex question years before that already. Like all Ethiopian Ethnicities of the time, including Amhara, under EPRP umbrella, had already raised arms to fight injustices related to ethnic based discrimination including with the possibility of seceding from Ethiopia in the non-Amhara’s case. If nothing else, I believe EF saved Ethiopia and not the other way around. Even EPRP which eventually, through some rough roads, became the ANDM we know today, had “ethnic equality” as one of its core principles. So, it is safe to say that all Ethiopians of the time struggled for “ethnic equality” among other issues. Whether EF has overlived its usefulness is a different matter, but let’s not condemn it for behaviors it did not create.

It is a mix bag of sorts but here is my combined response from what I have learned in the last few days:

As tempting as it is, it is very important that we distinguish between what some of us want, what the majority of Ethiopians want, and what is workable. To speak for myself, nothing would make me happier than to see a borderless and ethnic-blind Ethiopia before I die. But there are too many signs that show we are not ready yet. The nation as a whole is not ready for it. We will get there someday soon for sure, but not yet.

As an example, out of the 3,000 representative Ethiopian youngsters PMHD talked with last week, not even one soul raised EF-related question whatsoever. Whether that is a sign of acceptance of the status quo or a sign of its presence or absence is immaterial to this generation is open to interpretation but, in either case, it doesn’t seem to bother the youth. Except those representing the opposition who demanded for the release of their “political prisoners,” most of the questions were about youth unemployment and similar issues.

What EPRDF and the rest of us must fight for:

  1. We all must reject ethnic-based negative statements in private or in public.
  2. Bring the question of federalism to the open, if needed, as a separate issue and peacefully instead of diluting it by bringing it up whenever there is, and along other, crisis.
  3. Reject direct or indirect association of past ethnic strife with Amhara. The fact that ethnic-based discrimination was not as prevalent in Amhara as it was in the rest of the country does not make Amhara responsible for its creation.
  4. Get rid of the parliament election system. Something like the USA’s congress and senate system is much more democratic than what we have today.
  5. Kilils [states] should be given a periodical questionnaire to ascertain their readiness for geo-based admin instead of EF. It is important that it comes from the people than a few elitists speaking for them. The federal government should hold an annual meeting and discussion about the possibility of geo-based zoning than what we have today.
  6. We must vehemently condemn the shooting of demonstrators with live bullets regardless of whether “trouble makers” are embedded within or not. All loopholes that allow the security police to shoot at civilians such as “if your life is in danger, shoot” must be closed.
  7. Reject statements like “TPLF-controlled EPRDF/Gov…” Not only it is a domineering statement to most Ethiopians who fought hard to get where they are but it is also a misrepresentation of how EPRDF conducts its policies.
  8. There is no doubt that TPLF had the upper hand in military power when they wrestled power from Derg. What it did almost immediately after the removal of Derg was to layoff as many TPLF rank-and-file fighters as was practical and slowly but surely started to rebuild rank-and-file representative of our federation. That part is fairly accomplished as of recent. Why there are disproportionately Tigrean generals is a matter of experience. Not only they could be needed in a moment’s notice in this hostile region of ours, but also it is important they transfer their experience based knowledge to the generals of tomorrow. Although it is understandable why some Ethiopians feel uncomfortable with it looking outside in, but it is important to recognize the higher purpose EPRDF is trying to accomplish. Short of handing it back to Derg generals, there is no choice but to wait it out.
  9. Given the amount and complexity of the corruption now prevalent in our nation, unions such as EFORT and others who claim to be conducting a legitimate business under the law must make their board of directors, members, and their finances public or nationalize.
  10. Let all high government officials who own high-valued companies or are a member of board of directors of such companies either resign their position or volunteer their share to the federal government to be reassigned as an owner operated companies by or to benefit selected Ethiopian youth.
  11. Avoid statements that are not useful or fact-based such as “TPLF/EPRDF is dead now,” “they are in trouble now.” It accomplishes nothing except feeding into why some of us think that EF is still necessary. If Ethiopians reject EF today and embrace Geo-based zoning it doesn’t mean TPLF’s failure but its success. Starting from the advent of the TPLF Central Committee split, to the most recent North Gonder and Bahir Dar demonstrations, TPLF has been killed and buried more than a dozen times by the good and the bad alike. Why is Ethiopians’s assertion of their right translated as the death of TPLF?
  12. We must recognize the political facts of our region and recognize when we are targeted by foreign agents using our own ills. There are tangible clues to simply rule it out as the government’s search for a scapegoat.

I had many more things to say, but I must stop. I will live you with a very short but to the point speech by a young lady I was impressed with. It was a bitter sweet for me because she doesn’t seem to like ‘Weyane” but I loved her message to all of us wholeheartedly.

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  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    There is this joke about a man who caused something bad to happen and he was asked:
    (Q) Did this happen because of ignorance or indifference?
    (A) I don’t know and I don’t care.

    I can’t tell if TPLF honchos are supremely clueless or supremely arrogant.

    To answer the charge that the EPRDF system is marked by the supremacy of the TPLF, one would think EPRDF would trot out senior non-TPLFites to come out and refute with the very fact of their own person as well as with other pertinent information.

    But no.

    Those trotted out are the TPLFite deputy PM who the public loathes for running the spying processes on the telephone/information systems, the TPLFite ex-foreign minister whose claim to fame was the bungling of the post-Badme fiasco, the TPLFite kitchen cabinet honcho who commands unaccounted billions for which he has yet to show anything, and well known for threatening the OPDO and possibly throwing just enough kindling to spark the Oromo protests.

    And then to compound this error, these senior supposedly polished politicians repeat something which I first heard from the astoundingly incompetent communication minister Getachew Reda. This refers to his televised rant about how it is that the so called “narrow nationalists” and “chauvinists” appear to have formed an alliance of sort. These are of course code words for the Oromo and Amara. This “alliance”, he tells us, is a political impossibility, which he likens to the physical impossibility of fire and straw forming an alliance (“esat enna Cid”). The only reason it seems to have come into existence, he tells us, is because “we” (which he will probably say refers to the EPRDF but the public translates as the TPLF), “have been sleeping and not doing our work”.

    This is an incredible confirmation from a very senior government and TPLF official as to the architecture of the TPLF centered Ethiopian political system. Ethiopians have always of course understood that the TPLF strategy for staying in power is the constant fanning of differences and tensions between the Oromo and Amharic speakers. But to hear it from a senior TPLF official, not as a slip of the tongue, but as a televised rant given on Ethiopian State TV, in the form of a news conference is something else.

    I ascribed this as an unforced error on the part of Getachew, but then we see Abay Tsehaye and Seyoum Mesfin state the same thing in a formal news conference.

    This then makes me question who these public stunts are targetted to. Are they so clueless that the very words and the very spokespersons they are using are undermining their supposed messages and strengthening the very criticism the people have about the EPRDF? Or do they think that the only people who watch ETV/EBC are exclusively jittery supporters whose nerves they just want to calm? Or are they so arrogant that they don’t really care what others think?

    Since the EPRDF has in its infinite wisdom diagnosed itself to its satisfaction, there has been a lot of threats about the flood of purges to come. Some jokesters are saying they expect so many vacancies they want to apply now for the post of Prime Minister should it – ahem – become suddenly available. Methinks it will be interesting to see who gets decimated. If the supposed issue is about corruption and the undue personal benefiting from access to the public purse, TPLF officials and members should logically be the most to be purged since they generally have the closest access to the choicest of the public trough. That will be the tell as to who is winning the internal EPRDF struggle.

    As to events pertinent to the mere mortals who are not graced by EPRDF membership, so far the regime’s response has been to deploy the clenched fist. Gonder farmers have become de facto militias going up against the regular army. Thousands of Amara youth have been swept in to join the thousands of Oromo youth in prison camps.

    Schools are about to open and it is anybody’s guess what will take place.

    Amde

  • Nitricc

    I was listens to TPLF officials on their views about the recent uprisings, namely Abay Tsahaya and the notorious liar Siyum Mesfin and they talk about a wrong perception of Ethiopians that Tigreans are as being treated differently and favorably. He said, there is no Yetigre Yebelayinet rather a constant propaganda that created a wrong perception. I am not going to “Zer Qotera” how funny is this guy? By the way he is the same man who called out for public celebration because Badime was awarded to Ethiopia by the EEBC. Sure enough people went out and partied they azz of only to find it out their were lied and misled.

    Now, the same man is out and distorting things again. Mr. Siyum, don’t worry I won’t mention about the 65 generals that are in Ethiopia and 64 of them are Tigryans. Don’t worry I won’t but let’s see how many Tigryans are infiltrated in the Amara state government? shall we?

    1. መብርሀቱ ገብረሕይወት (በረከት ስምኦን )—የጠ/ሩ የፖሊሲና ጥናትና ምርምር አማካሪ — ትግሬ/Eritrean

    2. መኮነን ወልደ ገብርዔል— የፌዴሬሽን ም/ቤት አባልና የአማራ ክልል ምክር ቤት ህግ መወሰኛ ክፍል ሰብሳቢ— ትግሬ

    3. ከበደ ጫኔ — የንግድ ሚኒስትር የነበረ፤ የኢህአዴግ ጽ/ቤት ኃላፊና የጠቅላይ ሚኒስትሩ የህዝብ ግንኙነት አማካሪ ሚኒስትር —ትግሬ

    4. ካሳ ተ/ብርሃን— የፌደራልና አርብቶ አደር ልማት ጉዳዮች ሚኒስትር— ትግሬ

    5. ህላዌ ዮሴፍ— በእስራኤል የኢትዮጵያ አምባሳደር — ትግሬ

    6. ዮሴፍ ረታ — የአማራ ክልል ፕሬዝደንት የነበረ—ትግሬ

    7. ገነት ገ/እግዚአብሄር—የአማራ ክልል ከተማ ልማት ቤቶችና ኮንስትራክሽን ቢሮ ኃላፊ—ትግሬ

    8. መለስ ጥላሁን— የብዓዴን ማዕከላዊ ኮሜቴ አባልና የጥረት ኮርፖሬት ምክር ቤት ሊቀመንበር—ትግሬ

    9. ታደሰ ካሳ — የጥረት ኮርፖሬት ዋና ስራ አስፈጻሚ — ትግሬ

    10. ተሠማ ገ/ሕይወት— የርዕሰ መስተዳድሩ አማካሪ —ትግሬ

    12. ልዑል ዮሐንስ— «የአማራ ክልል» ባህልና ቱሪዝም ቢሮም ክትትል — ትግሬ

    13. ጸሃዩ መንገሻ — የወልዲያ ከተማ ከንቲባ— ትግሬ

    11. ተተካ በቀለ — የብዓድን አባልና የዋልታ ኢንፎርሜሽን ማዕከል ዋና ስራ አስኪያጅ — ትግሬ””
    The point is till you admit the truth and fix the problem its roots, there is no real peace and serenity. here is a guy who supposed left EPDRF for the sake of passing the torch to the young now coming back misleading people. shame on you Siyum Mesfin.

    • Abel

      Dear Nitricc,
      There seems no limit to the fabrications and lies of Higdef cadres. If all of the above are Tigre(Chauvinist version of Tigraway) then who is Amhara, Agew, Kimat…..

      • Dawit

        Fanti aka Abel: Your statement partially comes from ignorance of how to read things Ethiopia. Such ignorance is the product of a cognitive dissonance you develop when you refuse to listen to others simply because you suffer from the folly of confusing more armament with superior intellect, a delusion aggravated by all too familiar Tigrayan traits of hotheadedness and needless bellicosity.

        TPLF and its spin doctors, like all tyrants in history, can live with their delusions in the twilight of their reign. The bottom line is Ethiopians know who terrorized them, who raped their girls, who burned their villages. It wasn’t the DERG; it is TPLF. If Fanti thinks they do not mind the hurt and humiliation TPLF inflicted on them, you must have taken Ethiopian for silly people who suffer from a malignant case of Stockholm syndrome.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Moda, at least pay attention before you got all bent of shape. it is obvious what you are up to but in my end, i had under the quotation mark. please, you are fooling no one.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All listening to this clip by the leaders of TPLF talking about ethic strife and the Ruwandanzation of Ethiopia, why are we not allowed to speak and comment about it? here it is from the horse’s mouth.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJuQbLTAYw0

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    1. For Ethiopians, politics is not a right of citizenship. It is a privilege bestowed unto the privileged few who are members of EPRDF member parties. They alone decide, within their closed system, what issues are paramount, what should be given priority, who gets to decide what, how society is to be organized etc etc… Everyone else is an extremist, chauvinist or terrorist. Rinse and repeat.

    2. Since Ethiopia under EPRDF is a one party state, putative constitutional institutions are dead and moribund. The meto-be-meto Parliament is mute. During these events one would expect it say something with meto-be-meto voice, but no – it is a big fat zero with 100% silence. We are told it is not in session (it is in recess) but surely its senior officers starting from the speaker would have something to say. Nope – nada. But we hear ad nauseam from the EPRDF Executive, Central Organ etc etc…

    3. EPRDF puts itself as the sole body that is fully representative of the full diversity of the nation. But what we have is an institution that is riven vertically and horizontally, which understandably create internal conflict. It is horizontally separated along its ethnic (formal) components. It is vertically separated between its Maoist root that struggled for the poor oppressed peasants, and the “developmental state” created nouveau riche capitalist interests. (Melles was quite adamant on “we have to create our own class of capitalists”). This is behind the absurdity of a local OPDO official who is ordered to make land available for “development” purposes, and he dutifully does so by snatching it from a poor peasant. He then blames ethnicity when the understandable furore erupts.

    4. Whose interest is the OPDO official representing? As far as he knows, the local people didn’t really elect him. They have no recourse to have him removed. They can’t sue him. But the powers that be – the higher authorities that gave him his position, his salary and perks – they can snatch it all away in a heartbeat. The man is clever, he knows which side his qateNa injera is buttered. He needs them.

    5. He also knows “they” need him even more. He is the local arm of the party (not even the state). He knows the people, what their pinch points are, what is feasible and what is not, etc etc.. This is valuable on the ground intelligence that allows the more or less peaceful governing of an otherwise sulking and hostile populace. So he feels a level of impunity such that he milks the system to his own benefit. What used to be bribes in terms of cash have now made way to bribes in terms of shares in companies.

    6. I used the example of the OPDO official but this is the case throughout the country. Since the issue of land is hot around the rapidly industrialising Addis Metropolitan area, the temptation to get rich quick is most intense on Oromiya officials and OPDO cadres. Local officials/cadres feel immune from the law or the people’s impotency. What they respond to are commands from “higher authorities”.

    7. Elections are supposed to resolve these kinds of issues – i.e. should land be allocated in the farmer’s interest or the capitalist’s interest? But due to EPRDF’s meto be meto victory which killed off all hope of legal resolution of this and many other issues, the people have started to respond in other ways. In effect, they are putting the official between a rock and a hard place, forcing him to choose. The Welqayit issue was the catalyzing event for the ANDM cadres, who also found themselves forced to stand for the popular cause and go beyond giving earfuls to their leaders to fighting off federal forces with regional special police.

    8. EPRDF of today does not know what it stands for nor what it is. It won’t share power with or leave power to those that do. It’s legitimacy is not from the people who understand perfectly well it is instead from the barrel of a gun. It is beholden to armies of corrupt local cadres that know it needs them more than they need it, and who are prepared to fight any attempt at reform tooth and nail since they very clearly know it is against their personal interest.

    Amde

    • welde

      Dear Amde,

      Your analysis focused on EPRDF only, what happen to those who were boasting about their achievement on ESAT and Facebook (i.e the destruction of public and private properties).
      If you want your analysis to be viewed seriously , you should balance your focus. For the sake of fairness you should say something about those peaceful demonstrators who were brandishing and firing AK47 in Gonder.

      By its nature ,one sided analysis looses its objective- you should balance your analysis.

      Do you think the USA police tolerate such exhibition ? Why do you want the police in Ethiopia to react differently?
      Actually, the police in Ethiopia were very tolerant and patient. Unfortunately, such action of the police is viewed mistakenly by the opposition in diaspora as weakness ,although the opposite is the reality.

      kind regards,

      welde

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    I don’t know the extent of the new control on posting links but I though this was quite edifying. Addis Fortune, a superb paper printed in Addis, has a “gossip” column that gives behind the scenes view of the political who-is-who. http://addisfortune.net/columns/leaders-of-the-ruling-eprdf-who-have-been-foolhardy/?platform=hootsuite. This particular issue was on the recent EPRDF Council meeting that was reconvened after a mere two weeks. It included those in power now, some of the old guard, and newer generation leaders. The money quote “The conclusion was that a self-serving and corrupt leadership is exercising state capture for self-enrichment.”

    Some summaries/conclusion:

    a) A major if not primary driver of grievances is TPLFs disproportionate level of power within the Front, security services and government bureaucracies.
    b) The generational shift from the fighters to bureaucrats has not gone well. Whatever one might think of a guerilla fighter who joins and stays in a fight, he is at least principled. He goes up the rank if he is competent. People that join the ruling party in an effective one-party state most likely join to fulfill personal and professional ambitions. They rise through the ranks because they are good at the political and bureaucratic infighting.
    c) The pattern Melles established, whereby actual power was re-centralized in the Office of the Prime Minister (a very Ethiopian custom), has continued with the current PM having “advisers with the rank of Minister” for virtually every cabinet portfolio, so that every actual minister has to contend with “an adviser” for influence and resources over his/her assigned portfolio.

    It appears Hailemariam Dessalegn might be sacking and reshuffling people, and even bringing in technocrats to lead ministries. Perhaps these are worthy things to do anyway, but it seems events are moving faster than such actions can assuage public sentiment. Sending out snipers to mow down peaceful protesters has consequences.

    In any case, I expect the trend to be the shift of power and influence from TPLF to ANDM and OPDO. Whether the public will care one way or another is questionable. For people going out on the street, there will have to be meaningful and tangible decisions to make them think that they can go back home. If the shift of power from TPLF to OPDO and ANDM is to be seen as an acceptable outcome for the public, there will have to be some version of political patricide, i.e. OPDO/ANDM have to demonstrate in some manner the break with the old system, by going after something everybody understands to be an exclusively TPLF province. Right now it looks like TPLF is hoping having Oromiya share into Addis Ababa’s revenues and enforcing Oromo language use in Addis Ababa administration might do the trick for OPDO. Giving up Welqait might be a tougher pill to swallow to appease ANDM. I doubt if either are sufficient – it looks like protesters have already “baked in” these possible outcomes and are upping their demands.

    A more equitable power distribution in EPRDF is good I suppose, but the fact remains that all of the EPRDF member parties have exclusive power monopolies within their respective regions. They demonstrate no liberal values of free elections, human rights, supremacy of the law etc etc… It would be a tragedy if the result of all the young people demonstrating, being beaten and dying ends up with local dictatorships with even more unchecked power in their respective regions.

    It is going to be a long road.

    Amde

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Amde,
      .
      Thanks for your observation and the understanding you shared. I also read the attached Addis Fortune column. The fact that such an article was written and distributed in Addis Ababa is a phenomena to me.
      .
      My hope and desire that the necessary adjustments of governance is not a long road as you stated but a reasonably short one and a non disruptive to the various major projects underway across the country.
      .
      Thanks again.
      .
      Mr. K.H

    • Amde

      Selam Moderator,

      I believe I have summarized it well, but there might be other readers who might think otherwise. Plus they may get a different perspective out of the piece than I did. Addis Fortune is a respectable paper and the piece is in no way inflammatory or derogatory. I think it is a disservice to them to remove this particular link.

      Amde

      • Nitricc

        Amde; for once I agree with you when you said “Plus they may get a different perspective out of the piece than I did.” I have no idea what is the source of the new paranoia of aware-team. They are crippling the flow of the discussion and debate. an open forum with detiled micromanagement; i don’t know if it is possible without affecting the flow of the forum.

        • Amde

          Nitricc,

          The piece I had linked to would have been an excellent one to juxtapose against Saay’s piece on the Eritrean Manocracy. I thought the piece portrayed EPRDF team leadership in a reasonably good light. I just don’t understand what purpose it served to remove it.

          It can be read at Addis Fortune website under their Fineline section.

          Amde

      • Thomas D

        Hi Amde,

        I would like to thank you for informing us about your country, Ethiopia, current issues. I seriously hope the Ethiopians resolve whatever issues they might have. However, we should not forget the path Somalia took and where Somali is now. Also, we can also learn from the unfortunate misstep that Nigeria went through. The population of Nigeria can be compared with that of Ethiopia, but we have also the Somalis numbered 8-10 million.

        Honestly, if I was an Ethiopian I would be more careful not to disturb her advancing economy under the current ruling. Know that I have recently visited Ethiopia to witness the dynamic economic change and the activities of the people towards that goal. I was very impressed and I have to tell you that I am very jealous to:) On my to the U.S., I transited through or would say lived in Addis for 3 months, to me the capital city looked a ghost city where you don’t see people doing business. We can talk about the new highways connecting the city, the different banks with even ATMs, hotels, people using new technologies such as wifi/cellphone, large number of condos with small businesses/stores/entertainments, with diverse people from oromos/Amaras/tigrai/welaita and you name them. Also, Addis now looks like South Africa with all kinds of foreigners visiting her as tourists and investors. Countries in the middle east, Asia and all over africa seem to be very involved in the investment arena of Ethiopia. Don’t you think the current ruling in Ethiopia deserves credit for all of these?

        • Amde

          Selam Thomas D.

          I do give a lot of credit to EPRDF for the economic growth it has brought. I have been explicit about it in many of my postings. I personally want a new EPRDF to continue in some fashion after the current turmoil. I personally do not think any of the opposition will have a pro-poor economic agenda that is better than or matches EPRDFs. My wish is to see an EPRDF like the Brazilian Workers Party… a pro poor party with the political legitimacy of free elections.

          Many people (I would even say most) see EPRDFs political system as a price to be paid for economic growth. That was reflected by Abi here saying Dabo first. In some way, you can see the current turmoil as a demand to share in the visible economic spoils. It is definitely the issue that triggered the Oromo protests… the winners of the new economic order were not the locals and economic benefits were accruing to nonlocals at the expense of locals. The Ethnic political and administrative setup gives people with grievances an ethnic based explanatory framework about their issues. Since the EPRDF system has no corrective mechanism, (people tell you “leman abet yibalal”) crony capitalism has taken root with no checks against it. The conclusion reached by EPRDFs Council meeting quoted in the Addis Fortune piece “The conclusion was that a self-serving and corrupt leadership is exercising state capture for self-enrichment.” is breathtaking even if an opposition party said it.

          Amde

          • Thomas D

            Hi Amde,

            Thanking for educating me on Ethiopia’s affairs. I wish I could talk the same about the Eritrean leadership. When it comes to Erirea, it has never a question of governing, it is a struggle on owning self because the ruling regime thinks they own the entire population as they own their property. That is the people, specially the young are considered the property of the leaders. The only way you could regain your freedom is by leaving the country and that is why you see our refuges on TV headline news 24/7. I can tell you, we Eritreans, are a #3 on that. The entire wold community know Eritrea as they know Afghanistan: 🙂 I wish if I were born as an Ethiopian:) I would have able to oppose the government and still visit my country as the same time:)

    • blink

      Dear Amde
      No one explain EPRDF like you and you are the only person ever to tell about the current situation clearly. Others , well you know them all are hypocrites . I hope the Ethiopian people listen to their heart and see the plight of the poor and calm down and make things better.

    • Gecho Ze Great

      Hi Amde,

      Thanks for the article. I didn’t think addisfortune was a government mouthpiece. In any case, whatever that’s leaked is too little and too late now. So HMD berated his ministers and senior tplf members behind closed doors ? Didn’t he do the same gymnastics a couple months ago on that televised session they had good governance ? Nothing came out of that and nothing will come out of this either. The article gives hope about HMD intending to purge two third of his ministers and replacing them by technocrats with no affiliation to the party. Yea right. This is just another rumor deliberately leaked by the govt mouthpiece to give hope to the people and calm things down. There wont be any purge of HMD cabinet to integrate technocrats with no party affiliations. The most HMD can do is a reshuffle of the same corrupt characters in his cabinet. He already removed two senior members from his own party SPDM and replaced them by two corrupt former ministers. So it would be more of the same just different sitting arrangement. Infact this gossip reminds me of another gossip. When the Haile Selassie regime was about to crumble, the PM and his cabinet minister were replaced with the same of old and the gossip in town was ‘Gulcha bilewawet wot ayataftm’.

      • Amde

        Selam Gecho,

        I never thought of Addis Fortune as a government mouthpiece.. maybe sympathetic to the EPRDF in some fashion. It is definitely the paper for the nouveau riche.

        However good their intention, EPRDF is structurally and ideologically incapable of resolving the outstanding issues that have bubbled up. Most of them are of their own creation. The rest they pushed under the rug and allowed to fester.

        The gullicha metaphor is apt. The public won’t care. The public doesn’t think Ministers or the Cabinet are consequential anyway. In the public’s mind, the pecking order is TPLF -> EPRDF Central –> Prime Minister’s kitchen cabinet -> Regular (official) cabinet.

        Amde

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Angafaw amde
          Thanks for the educational and classy comments. I take my hat off to you, sir. You are principled and a man of amazing knowledge. You have enriched the forum with original and incisive analysis of the situation.
          Regards.

        • Dear Amde,
          In my opinion (I could be wrong), two of the EPRDF coalition parties, i.e. OPDO and ANDM, don’t seem to be fully accepted, trusted and respected by the people they represent. This could be the reason why the people in Oromia and Amhara are moving ahead of their parties. I am not sure if the leaders of these two parties will be strong enough to stand for a radical change within the governing coalition in the way they are going to govern the country in the future, for short of a radical change it will not be satisfactory to appease their ethnic groups and gain their trust. In addition, if we go to individuals within the government, who are the possible change-makers, who could stand against the TPLF/EPRDF system and bring change? If it is the PM, does he have support? Empty promises are not going to do the trick anymore.
          I would appreciate a lot if you can tell us few things on this.
          Thank you.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Horizon; You asked the possible change -makers who could stand against TPLF/EPRDF system. well no one but the people. This the very reason TPLF is at panic mode. They were very confident who ever come to compete with them to crush it with their tested method of crushing. Look at their history with TLF, OLF, EDU the list goes on. The only time their method failed was against Shaebia. on popular uprising like this there is no leader who can make the change; under this circumstances there is no a leader who can produce the change but the change will produce a leader. And no one knows who that leader is. having said that the leaders like engineer Yliqal of the Semaywi party could do the job. He sounds to understand the need and the situation of the country and the people.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon

            That is the problem. I don’t think either the OPDO or ANDM (or SEPDM for that matter) were ever seen as legitimate by their respective people. As you know ANDM used to be EPDM before it was told to be an Amhara affiliate of TPLF. This has put them in perpetual tension between obeying EPRDF central and being accepted by their people. It was not just TPLF that wasted the legitimizing opportunities offered by free and fair elections, but the other affiliates also missed their chance to demonstrate a basis for their legitimacy that was independent from TPLF.

            With a new generation (25 years after all) of cadres up and down the ranks, it looks like the time has come for these parties to declare their autonomy in meaningful ways. That is why I suggested they would need strong symbolic acts of defiance to TPLF on which they can start claiming their legitimacy.

            The PM has a lot of latent power I think but it is power that relies on the disability of others in the EPRDF top brass to decide on a consensus candidate that they can trust. I suspect Melles installed Hailemariam as his deputy out of nowhere simply because he could not find anyone else trusted by the other factions. The best he can do is reshuffle the cabinet etc.. As chair of EPRDF I don’t think he can order one of the member parties to do something they are unwilling to do.

            I don’t know of any individuals that can bring immediate change. Honestly, the best they can do is buy time until new (and real) elections. Since there are so many movements and so many local demands it is difficult to find a few people (even organizations) that the protesters can trust. That by itself is a tragic situation that a nation of 100mln finds itself in.

            I am becoming an admirer of the integrity of the two generals: General Tsadqan and General Abebe Teklehaimanot.
            Tsadqan declared that the core issue was lack of democracy and proposed UN supervised free elections. Gen Abebe’s latest paper written as a critique of EPRDFs latest review is a good read (I think you may read it at AigaForum) General Abebe’s main point was that EPRDF missed the boat in blaming corruption and bad governance. He says EPRDF itself ignored and abused the constitution and he called the front to honor the existing constitution. I would hope at least these two would be part of a transition effort. Both have formally been out of TPLF for a long time. But I think they may have sizeable support within TPLF and EPRDF.

            Amde

          • Dear Amde,

            Thank you a lot for your response. It is really educational. It shows your clear understanding of the situation in Ethiopia, and the direction the country should follow.

            As we see, a river of tears is flowing southwards from the north for Oromos and Amhara, while the same people DO NOT have a drop for their own people, and limitless compassion and empathy for the two ethnic groups is their menu of the day, while they show NOT the slightest sign of disapproval of the plight of their people due to the actions of their own regime, which has done and continues to do worse things. All these because they smell blood.

            TPLF and the people of Tigray have done so much for them, and one of the reasons they are at odds with the people of Ethiopia is for standing with them and for enabling whatever they have achieved.

            On the contrary, ethiopians should never miss their direction, that TPLF and the people of Tigray are part of the Ethiopian solution. TPLF as a political party can be renovated and made to live in the real world and not in the virtual world it has created for itself. Ethnic politics proved to be a double-edged knife, and greater Tigray is a dream, never to be fulfilled.

            Fortunately, Unlike their cousins to the north, they did not dare to say woyanization of Ethiopia, (which is nothing else but the other side of the defunct Amharization coin), or talked of the superiority of their language and culture and all other languages and cultures are inferior. To their credit, they accepted all ethnic groups and their languages as equal, at least on paper, and they showed it to a certain extent. Moreover, they accepted the Amharic language (the language of the enemy) as the official language of the country.

            Therefore, our conflict with TPLF (although they are many), are not irreconcilable, as some people from the north try to tell us, TPLF was spoiled and it can correct itself and ethiopians will remain united, because that is the only way to the future. Those who shed crocodile tears will end up heartbroken, because their sinister desire will never be fulfilled.
            Regards.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Gecho: only the innocent can believe that EPRDF can be reformed and make complete change what is good for the whole country. Once your PM declared that Ethiopia will never afford to pay off what TPLF and the people of Tigray did for Ethiopia. This is the exact believe that most Tigryans and all TPLFs believe. so, what you have is the mentality of entitlement. No matter what under the current system, reformed or unreformed there is this mentality of entitlement. As long as this mentality exists and here to stay within the tigryans; I don’t see any easy way out. If TPLF cares about the future of this country and the future of their own people; this crises presents perfect exit with the resources they have looted intact. by sticking with current arrangement and trying to buy time to fool the people once again have a grave consequence. for one, no one will know where the country is heading; the people of Tigray will be in real danger and what ever the TPLF looted for all those years will be lost. The right thing to do is, call for a new transitional government that is inclusive to all Ethiopians; call for new election; draft a new constitution and let the country be for all. I suggest every Ethiopian should work to ward mutual solution; I don’t like what I see; the name of Ethiopia is dissipating within the speed of light while Ethnic identities are to the brim. if anyone think EPRDF can be reform to a strong enough to face the problem’s and solve them, then, you have no idea the magnitude of the current issues. from entitlement comes corruption from corruption comes arrogance from arrogance comes destruction.

  • Hayat Adem

    From Her Highness Gual Adem Queen Hayat to Kibur Haw Tegadalai Commnader Mhamud Saleh,
    You don’t need all those things. You know if I were interested in such stuff I can counter them in a million bigger and more sensible ways. So, I will give 3 summary points to take home and all will be well.
    1) Wolkotot are 150K and they haven’t told us if they wanted to change the current arrangement regarding their identity. So, saying otherwise about them on their behalf shows only a propaganda interest and we can only treat it as such.
    2) This doesn’t mean there are not Wolketot individuals or groups would would say things to the left or to right of that in demos, interviews etc. But those are individual or group views that may or may not represent their society at alarge. As a third party, we should not be concerned about group’s identities belonging to one or another as it is purely an internal affair to be left to Ethiopians.
    3) You and I can always agree on supporting victims and denouncing government excesses, be it in Ethiopia or Eritrea, anywhere else. Understandably, when we do that the level of passion involved must show more intensity and emotion on excesses in Eritrea than anywhere else, and we have plenty of them at home.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Mahmud Saleh,
    .
    …So when challenged about the veracity of your information, you went ahead with your retroactive little filler “research” to come back with your nonsense.
    .
    You said “……You try to put my integrity in question.” Sir, you have no integrity.
    .
    As a person of above average intelligence, It is so hard to reconcile all that and read you seriously. You said some funny things before, but this one takes the cake. You were trying to express your conviction about this subject matter by drawing from your past experience and “integrity” that you said. “This reminds me when Ethiopia (Amhara) annexed Eritrea and began changing names of streets and landmarks;((from Tigrinya to Amharic) its zealous endeavor to eliminate everything Eritrean, (Tigrinya) language and culture.”
    …” Now, Hayat knows why my blood boils when I see authorities (Tigrai) treating helpless poor (Amhara) people like their private possessions.”
    .
    How rich is that?
    .
    In a way, I feel sorry for you being inflicted with this life long neurosis. There is no cure for hatred that slowly eats away at your soul. It is a form of addiction, you may not even recognize it as being a permanent resident in you.
    .
    Good night.
    .
    Mr. K.H

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam KH
      What’s buddy? Could you please show the ABC of integrity by separating the “qualifications” you inserted in my comment from my comments. Try to act decent before you teach people decency. You know the difference between parentheses and brackets. Don’t you? You see, I’m not going any farther to find an appropriate reply. I will use your own behavior. Hayat has not even tried to enageg me on fact basis. She is dancing on the peripheries. I will continue presenting what Ethiopians are saying. You will not see what Eritreans say about you, not a thing. It’s going to be you, the TPLF zealots versus the helpless people of those affected area and the proposals being suggested by true patriotic Ethiopians. I know it pains. But that’s how our earthly world spins.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Mahmuday,
        You are after something that we are not understanding. But the things you are dumping are not going to help us either. It seems you have no interest in saving yourself. Now, your brief note above really makes a lot sense to me than the long Hateta’s you were forwarding. There seems to be a plan drawn out which has nothing to do with sympathizing with the people. So, you are telling us the strategy is using Ethiopians against Ethiopians and enjoying the fire from afar?! Eritreans should disembody the evil thoughts of PFDJ. Ethiopia is not an enemy. Ethiopia is a partner. Even Egypt is trying hard to leave its zero-sum formula on Ethiopia.
        Apendix
        //I will continue presenting what Ethiopians are saying. You will not see what Eritreans say about you, not a thing. It’s going to be you, the TPLF zealots versus the helpless people of those affected area and the proposals being suggested by true patriotic Ethiopians. I know it pains. But that’s how our earthly world spins.// Mahmuday

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          You told Mahmuday that “he is after something that we are not understanding.” My comment below to you was precisely indicating that. If he wasn ‘t, how one in his right mind leave aside the plight of his people, which is worse than the problem in Ethiopia so to speak, spent all his energy on external issue? That is really mind boggling. Look our issues and the plight of our people now in this form, it is relegated to deaf ears and to the sickest idea of Semere Tesfai’s tigrinazation of Eritrea. How can we debate about solutions while we are infested with such divisive ideas?

          regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Emma,
            Indeed. But I’m also smiling on the tone, energy and passion he is putting in to it. He is just boiling and he will no stone unturned until Ethiopians, including Wolkotot themselves, are convinced that their wrong identity is righted.
            Mahmuday was so furious when Ethiopians commented on Eritrean identity. I remember him bashing TKifle, Amde, Abi and all others when they tried to touch that zone. He even was mad at Semere Andom. He himself didn’t want to be identified by his ethnic identity as “Tigre”.
            His sudden passion on a subject he despised so much in the past and turning himself to a cross-border identity activist is amazing.Would you expect him to say this at all: “I will continue presenting what Ethiopians are saying.” And worse, would you expect Mahmuday saying this to an Ethiopian? may we live in an interesting times!!!
            ——–
            1- We have more urgent more troubling problems in Eritrea. The rights of and freedom of people he is crying on behalf of Ethiopians exist at a larger scale in Eritrea. Eritrean babies are now being born on trafficking boats. Mahmuday- zipped.
            2- We have an isolated, sanctioned youngest nation knowing for exporting refugees. Mahmuday- zipped.
            3- We’ve a guy called IA, whom Mahmuday romantically calls an honest dictator, who is by any clinical standard too crazy and paranoid to lead a nation. PFDJ is a system styled after mafia. Mahmuday should be consumed on telling us how the PFDJ system operates and empower the opposition as a former insider who knows a lot of things. Mahmuday tells a lot of things about the dysfunctionality of the opposition and does nothing to help.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            Sorry, it is becoming a habit that every time you run out of ammunition either you get personal and go low or divert the discussion by bringing Eritreans misery, so please stick to the topic and make your point. By the way, speaking of Eritrean issue, when is the last time you addressed and debated Eritrean issue for good reason other than purposefully to blame Ghedli, and diminish Eritrean identity. When is the last time you offered a solution other than Eritrea is too weak and TPLF should go ahead and invade the country, and you even abused this platform by spreading false news that TPLF bombed Eritrea, and now when fire emerges at the doorstep of weyane, all of sudden you turned into a firefighter, how funny is that. Hayatom It is easy if you are for justice then stand with the oppressed and make yourself comfortable otherwise please please diversion is not an argument. Or, be clear on your position if you have something else other than seeking justice, bring it on for open discussion instead of you hiding behind deceptive nick name, justice, and of course our misery, what a shame!

            The reason why I admire Abraha Yayeh is that he is honest and bold although I disagree with him: he doesn’t believe Eritrea is an independent country, the referendum is illegal, and regarding the current situation in Ethiopia, he likes to see TPLF stay intact and try to cut a deal with PFDJ, forget about Ethiopian unity. Now, would you object to such a deal?

            Peace!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            My beloved brother and my queen
            I love you both because you make me smarter. A question for Emma though: you are so seized about our situation and bothered about Semere’s “Tigrignaization” of Eritrea. Isn’t it logical to ask you why you don’t focvus on those rather than chasing Mahmuday? Would not it be appropriate to spend the time and energy you spent in writing advices to Hayat, against Mahmud, at least on replying to Semere? Just curious. You know Emma I don’t own the key to Eritrean solutions. I would expect you to respect my freedom to choose any item I want to stress on.
            Well, that’s with loads of respect.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Mahmuday: I feel bad for you. I don’t think you are understood the mentality and the state of mind both of them. Their country; Ethiopia has reaching the state on the brink of genocide, you got to understand that you are not dealing with right state of mind. They knew it this gap is nothing but a clam before the storm. They are deep down suffering that everything they thought for Eritrea came back to them. Don’t be their dumping ground. I could have showed you something that will shut them up but we are told, we can not express to the fullest.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Nitrickay
            Toofff belo, kem’eu aybehaln. I can put my name on the line to defend Emma. I also put it on the line to defend Gual Adem, the queen, to express her views. Emma is a fine man, Nitrickay. Very fine. You just need to know the totality of the man. I disagree with him on some area, but when it comes about his patriotism, his dedication to Eritrea in its diverse form and color, Emma is a man of principle. What we focus on has been a part of the equation, that’s how do we help change come. Of course, here, we differ.
            Always with respect.
            Regards

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Mahmuday,
            I noticed what you are doing there. It is good you went all the way to defend Emma. Well, Emma, like you, is known for his person, his contributions, his ideas etc. Let alone, Nitricc, no one is entitled to question Emma..not even your Honest dictator. So, you know Emma wouldn’t care for your defense as he has nothing to prove. The way you jumped to say what you said is not to defend Emma. You know it, I know it. You came in to say what you said about me. And it is totally different from what you used to say about me and take a pride in being loyal to your principled stand. So, if someone debates you strongly over issues (that is the only thing I did, and would not chnage that), you start questioning the person? Is that the standard you give to your principles?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dearest Hayat
            Your highness
            Come on, give me a credit. I respect you for making this forum warm. I respect you for your open critic and denounciation of ghedli and Sahel experience; I respect you for being an exuberant defender of TPLF and its divisive governance; I admire you for fighting openly to reclaim your Abyssinian glory; I respect you for openly calling on your TPLF to invade Eritrea (well, you pre-celebrated a couple of times Wayanay surgical operation). I respect you because you don’t hide your identity. You told us you don’t give a darn to our struggle. I also respect you for your unwarranted assault on Eritrean identity. I do really respect you for that. You do it with grace. That’s why I like exchanging with you. That’s why I put myself on the line to have you around. Well, you have some points that you will have to back up such as your claim that I never felt proud of my ethnicity, Tigre. But they are minor hiccups compared to your shame and limitless assaults on the Eritrean person. That’s for another day though. Right now, our TPLF is getting naked for the world to see it, without any worn-out shroud to cover its most private parts, its Marxist Leninist League of Tigray core philosophy of divide and rule. Ethiopians are after it. It may make it to the next day, but the lecture and the guise of false legitimacy is gone forever. That’s the story of the day. The time when TPLF scared Ethiopians of Eritrea are gone. The time when TPLF scared off Ethiopians of Egypt are gone. Ethiopians are against the SYSTEM itself. Now, you can say anything you want to say, I will still put myself on the line to defend your right. That’s what I’m saying.

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Mahmuday,
            Thanks for some of the things and no-thanks for the others lumped together.
            You said, “Ethiopians are against the SYSTEM itself.” Okay good for them. And they are not asking for your help. Why don’t you help Eritreans fighting their uglier SYSTEM? That is what Emma has been saying all the time.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Hayat
            Let’s wrap it here. It has been an epic wrangle. I can assure you that you have my respect.

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks Muhmuday. It was, indeed. Likewise.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Yes you do brother. Do you know how many from Eritreans are influenced in the diverted issue you are debating for? Indeed you have a clout to some (you know them), if you are willing to do. I told you on the phone and I am telling publicly here. Look your kid he is calling me an Ethiopian (nothing wrong to be an Ethiopian, except I am not). Drive them home to clean our issues and utilize your time to your people.

            Regards,
            Ananuel Hidrat

          • A.Osman

            Dear Amanuel,

            It is not necessarily that one is careless about change, but the issue is about being powerless to bring change.

            It is a type of procrastination, to cope at times we get busy with issues that do not even matter. This point is not to criticize Mahmud, but to consider the fact that when we are unable to see positive change in Eritrea and we have no immediate solution to enact then we get bogged down on side issues until…………………..

            It is good that you are focused and reminding all of us.

            Regards
            AOsman

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Haderki Dear Hayat
          Your Majesty;
          What you are accusing me of saying and the apendix you attached (my words) are different. Have you noticed that Hayat. I think you need your coffee or something. Read this again:
          ” It’s going to be you, the TPLF zealots versus the helpless people of those affected area and the proposals being suggested by true patriotic Ethiopians. I know it pains. But that’s how our earthly world spins”
          That’s true Hayat. It’s going to be the people of Ethiopia versus the “Tebabna tmkehteNa” -THE Narrow minded and chauvenist- organization you are defending, the TPLF. It’s not even going to be the people of Tigray versus the rest, because the people of Tigray are the ones who started this uprising although TPLF cadres want the world to believe that it’s an uprising that has been agitated by “anti peace” elements driven by foreign forces, targeting Tigreans. There is a nice clip in youtube where a brave woman is telling TPLF stooge in a meeting that the unrest in Gondar has cost indiscriminate property damage to citizens “but you guys treat it in mass media as if only Tigreans were targeted,” she said. You see TPLF cadres try to make it as if this is a fight against Tuigreans but the people of Amara and Oromo are telling Tigreans that the fight is not against them but against the ruling Junta. That my friend is the pure Ethiopian-ness, unadulterated by an rganization that has had a bifurcated plan- if you are able to rule Ethiopia, behave and act Ethiopian, if you are not able to rule the whole of Ethiopia, the heck, go to plan B of the Greater Tigray. Anyway, by now, you should figure out that your position is unsustainable. Here is why. You are defending a political system that Ethiopian are not happy with. You are downplaying the atrocities inflicted upon defence people. You are justifying, or rather, ationalizing that Ethiopia is equipped with justice institutions that could handle the crisis. But the people are saying otherwise, even the toothless nominally-independent Human Right Commission of Ethiopia otherwise. I’m targeting TPLF policies. You go ahead and target PFDJ policies. I will be happy, but you will pain. You see that’s the difference. I have opposed my government probably long before the idea of independent Eritrea sinks in your mind. So, I’m fine. You could call me all you find on your way, or on a commerial clips, like the one you heard about Trumpp. I’m fine. When Fanti came out with his comment, the first thing you asked was to know how precarious the government was. You asked FANTI to give you a probablity of likelihood that the government might be falling. That is pathetic. You would be more interested to know how things are going on for the average citizen. But dear Hayat, a cadre is always a cadre, awake, sleeping or sleep-reading. So, yes, it will be the voices of the people of Ethiopia versius the voices of TPLF cadre. What’s wrong with that?
          *******************
          Thanks for quoting me correctly. Kim Hanna is one of those who I believe sits in hot water uninvited. I respect him despite his skewed attitude about the notion of Ethiopia and its diversity. The guys does not even know Somali, Harari, Afar, and lowland women wear almost similar cloths. He told us the picture Mahmoud Debrom painted looked Arab. Such is the problem with folks who have limited contacts with others trying to lecture on how those diverse oithers should live their life. He also acted dishonestly by placing his EMPHASIS in parentheses which would make it look as if I wrote those descriptive words. I don’t know if he corrected them or not. I respect you for your conduct, yet you loaded me with things that you will find were incorrect. Please go back and corrcet them before I demand that you substanciate them.
          Always nice exchanguing with you.

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Mahmuday,
            “Kim Hanna is one of those who I believe sits in hot water uninvited. I respect him despite his skewed attitude about the notion of Ethiopia and its diversity. The guys does not even know Somali, Harari, Afar, and lowland women wear almost similar cloths.”
            You are amazing me:
            You invited yourself to a Wolkayte politics and you dare say Ethiopians are “uninvited”. You accuse Ethiopians not even knowing their people while you know them more than they do. You know about their diversity more than they do.
            Get off your high horse, paternalistic mind, my friend. You are talking down to people for no reason. You are losing your usual composure unusually per every comment. Please, make a u-turn and retreat in time to get back to your safe turf.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear bHayat
            Your highness
            Hayat, please don’t attempt a blind homerun. You know it well that when I say uninvited I mean his disruptive replies TO ME that add no value to the conversation but mutilate my comments. My track record absolves me that I enjoy and value my Ethiopian friends here. Please also contain the urge that pushes you to register a quick political score. I have never complained why Ethiopian have been discussing Eritrean issue, I’m actually on record saying that this forum is unique for its diversity. So, dear it’s a bad day for you. I pray the end will be better. You have all it takes to debate issues. I expect you not to be seized by the tempts of character assassination. There is no character you assassinate, and it’s not rewarding for you because I’m a simple walking man. Discuss issues, please. Your repeated Sahelean does not bear you fruit. Because Sahel, Nakfa, Togoruba, Adal are some of the places Eritreans consider symbols. They are not curses to Eritreans. You may feel ashamed when you are called Dedebit. I’m not ashamed when you call me Sahelean. All in all, your highness’ star is fading off fast.

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Mahmumuday,
            So you are not ashamed of being called Sahlean? Good to know. But that was not the purpose either.
            A guy showed up at his friends house to visit him. The host prepared food for both of them. It was a fish. But, the host took the bigger fish and served the smaller one to the guest. His guest friend was very much annoyed and wouldn’t let it go. So he said this in a complaint intonation: “Why my friend. I am a guest and you are a host, but you took the bigger one to yourself. If I were, I would take the smaller one for myself.”. The host was quick to reply this, “You still have the smaller, so what is your point!” You want to be Sahlean. I called you Sahlean. So, there is nothing for to complain here.
            Well, only one thing- deep down, you must have suspected that I was not talking Sahel the place as such, but the cultures and ideologies, systems that were constructed there and killing our nation and people to date. Otherwise, as places Sahel, Dedebit, Wolkayt, Las Vegas, they are all just places…
            You were discussing Wolkayte, and KIM must have been observing our exchanges and how you were holding it sensible and logical and he let you hear his verdict on that. Do you feel pained when you heard it from the Ethiopians themselves? Is it your nature that it irritates you to be interrupted by Ethiopians when you are talking about Ethiopians?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Your Highness, deares Hayat

            Speaking of Dedebit, here are Ethiopians telling Bereket Simon in an official meeting. I hope the moderator does not delete it because there is nothing of inciting a strife. You see that’s when I say the people versus TPLF cadres. Do you hear the speaker telling the cadre in his eyes that it was TPLF which brought the sickness to Ethiopian society? Ere ghena, there is more to come.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz4a2qs7vJw

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay Kibur Mahmuday,
            So, that is it? Emmm, too bad you wasted your chnace. Remember, you are given one chance by the moderator and all you could come up was this audio as a killing evidence? Indeed, agility is ageable!
            1) so, we were arguing about Wolkototss declared desired identity. Does this audio help anything? Nope.
            2) So, we were talking whether TPLF forced Wolkotot against their will to be part of Tigray (the land and the culture). Does audio help anything to understand that? Nope.
            —–
            What does this audio tell me:
            First we have to assume everything said about the setting is true. It is possible this audio could have been doctored as audio can be easily pieced up to serve as a make believe productions. It is also possible it is authenticate. Both are possible. It is possible somebody somewhere for this purpose of propaganda might have recorded it and publish it. What pushed me to say aging agility above is also this fact: how did you come to this kind of a losing edge of making a good judgement, Mahmuday? When did you switch roles of a mentor-mentoree with Nitricc? How do you believe every link that comes your way and use it as an authenticate material for mature discussion? Well, the intention is what is putting in trouble. The mere urge or may be a plan of exploiting a crisis next door is what seems putting you to commit unforced errors.
            But I will allow that pass for this discussion and lets assume this audio piece authenticate: that it happened in Gonder, with people and Bereket at the stage and people expressing and venting their anger and views to his face. What does this tell me?
            Observation 1) These are people in Gonder (not Wolkyte) feeling empowered enough to really confront their leader in the open without restraint and confident enough either the leader will listen and nothing happens to them even if they bashed TPLF and ANDM. That kind of empowered anger and freedom is an enviable virtue that is needed. You can only admire the speakers for not holding back and the leaders who would be absorptive to such criticism. Wouldn’t you wish Eritreans could vent like that without risking or suffering punitive consequences.
            Observation 2) The audio of one man is clearly audible and the rest is not. It is very likely a person closer to the speaker or the speaker himself has recorded this and it is not a common mike as it dips very low when others speak and you hardly hear anything from the stage. From this assumptions, it is possible this recording was planned for this propaganda purpose.

          • blink

            Dear hayat
            When the situation in Ethiopia got worse by drought ,and now by this horrible situation , i was rooting for you to lead and teach every one about EPRDF , yet you disappointed me . It is not that i want information from you , it is just that you are good at telling them .
            About the link
            First the matter is for Mr.M saleh and the moderator .It should not and must not be your concern i guess . You said , just like this …
            It is possible the audio is fake or authentic and at the end you said , it is possible this video is recorded for propaganda purpose (which means fake ) . which one is your true believe , because you have been riding like this for years. It is really confusing for any one with a fair mind to take your justice seeker side seriously. i mean just by following all your posts you are by far EPRDF defender than any one in this website and even in other wicked Tigrai based websites . I have never ever find any commenter, which is consistent on the way you defend this murderous regime . I am not saying Eritrea’s good but does it really matter where the crime is ?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Blink

            Oh God!

            Now Amanuel Hidrat is going to come to defend the Queen.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear SemereT,
            Don’t take it personal to be bitter. It is all about discussing views and events. Really! Why would anyone defend me? And what is wrong if someone defends me? The grey areas is bigger than the black or white, or both. Get out of the box to the open. Trust me, there is no enemy waiting on you with a sword.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            Hayatino: It is not that I’m “bitter” or I’m afraid of an “enemy waiting on me with a sword”.

            I’m just busy writing eulogy for my beloved Woyanes. Last time Amanuel Hidrat beat me with Meles Zenawi. This time I’m not going let that happen.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SemereT,
            You are that eager?! Would you also be eager to write about success stories in Ethiopia or just eulogies?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            The last time Tigreans saw success was in 1865. My grandfather read the success speech for Bezbz Kassa then. I hope you’re not going to wait for that long again.

            But with the investment you’ve made in Eritrea over the past 25 years……….. who knows.

          • Hayat Adem

            Eshi SemereT,
            Was that Emperor Yohnnes? If proximity or kinship is to be counted, Emperor Yohannes would be many times closer to you than to many in this forum. So, I see, your bitterness stretches back to the mid 19th century. You need help, brother.

          • Thomas D

            Hi Semere T,

            What is wrong with you, tigrigna man? We ignored you when you call us tigrian because we opposed your whatever criminals in Eritrea. Now, you seem to enjoy the amhara and oromo upraising against the tigreans. Just know this is not a succor game where you can support one over the other, if it is it will be a blood shade and you as a beast seem to be thirst to see the bleeding. Because the wayene might be gone, do you think your whatever DIA can sleep well as our brothers and sisters are as oppressed by your masters now? We can see your little head working hard in trying to save the criminals in asmara. Like I told you before, it will be too late because my people are done with them. Too much blood at the hands of your masters so too late!!

          • Peace!

            Dear Hayat,

            First you need to make yourself clear. Are you defending Ethiopians or TPLF? Totally two different things plus the success of Ethiopians doesn’t justify TPLF’s brutality. You can’t have it both ways:)

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            Are you taking it from that dude Abraham Yaye or from mahmuday? How do you respectfully say, “it is all a lie” ? I never defended or justified TPLF for any crime or brutality they committed. Is that clear enough now?
            Next time, don’t ask for clarity and at the same time judge. So, do you now see who is trying to have it both ways?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Blink,
            1) The problem with authenticity of the audio is: I really can’t say if it is authentic or not. Can you? In such a case, i can only only tell you the possibilities and give you my take on each possibility.
            2) If you didn’t get what you expected from me and disappointed in that regard, my bad. But I am not obliged to satisfy you. I am here to express just my views in the moment and mood of doing it. I am not paid for the task nor am I elected. Like you are, I am free.
            3) Well, “me propagandist and eprdf defender”? I’ve heard it many times. If you will to hear it from me, I am not, i have no reason to. I’ve principles: I follow data and logic and shape them in the eye of the greater good.
            4) You said this: “About the link First the matter is for Mr.M saleh and the moderator .It should not and must not be your concern i guess ” Really? I want you reconsider this point. You see, I am kind I give people 2nd chances.

  • Solomon

    Nitric,

    Karma is indeed a bitch. I was just saying that out loud to myself.

  • kazanchis

    Hello all,

    I think the current unrest in Ethiopia will change Ethiopian political dynamics for better like what the 97 or 2005 election did. EPRDF step up to the plate after overwhelming outcome of election back then.
    The current demands of the people result the score of deaths on citizens that would make it heartbreaking. Government need to do a lot in halting police brutality. Educating the security forces what it really means to proportional measure and avoid as much as possible the use of excessive use of force.
    The veterans recently said they have agreed to take corrective measures and even they made a U-turn in their stubborn policy of only assigning top officials and ministers from their own party. Which means now we might see non political party members to be appointed as ministers and involved in decision making activities at Council of minsters. That’s a good move and the reform should go forth.
    I also hope to see the democratic institutions follow the suit, improve more and achieve credibility by Ethiopians.
    I don’t think moving from ethnic federalism to geographic one will be easy now. Let’s focus on achieving real federalism first.

    Greetings!

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Blink,
    Thanks for the dig. I said all that stuff!? “What happen to the above beliefs of yours?” is your question. The answer is: nothing happened to them or in other words, I still hold them. Which one do you want to me to drop or adjust and why?

    • blink

      Dear hayat
      No i do not want you to adjust any thing .Based on your continues beliefs ,it is natural for you to keep your words up straight. But do not bother to drop one article . It is a natural thing of human beings

  • Hello All,

    Please observe the following: We do not allow messages and video-clips that promote ethnic strife. We will not help anyone who wants to agitate people along ethnic and religious lines . Videoclips produced and distributed by known and unwelcome outlets that are in the business of ethnic agitation will never be allowed. Kindly use your judgement because awate.com will not provide a platform for such messages even if it is presented to support your views. You can always debate and express your views freely but kindly stop linking viedoclips from unwelcome sources.

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Awate,
      Very timely and wise intervention. That is why you are the best. Much respect.
      Hayat

    • Nitricc

      Hello Mr Moda; I read your order as it is written and I couldn’t help to notice the only person who agreed with your decision to kill the freedom of expression is the usual suspect, I wonder why. Is not the point of a debate to make your point and win the debate by any necessary supporting materials? as along as they are not false and aren’t fabricated, I see no problem what so ever, but you are the boss. What is more intriguing is that for you to use two terms to extreme opposite in one sentence.
      ” always debate and express your views freely……..”will not provide a platform for such messages” ” stop linking viedoclips”
      express your view freely? the question is what is to be free?

  • dd

    Hi Fanti,
    How disingenuous to reduce the Wolkayit issue to “farmland” The Tigrain ellites did not want to talk the truth except few like Gebremedihin Arya, Mengesha Seyoum. You sounded like the spokesperson of Abay woldu. The 3000 youth you are talking about are selected for propaganda purpose, this is typical of TPLF. Even the owner of ethiopiafirst website who is the supporter of the regiem did not like it. It does not help to bring lasting solution to the current problem.
    This is what the wolkait people say…[deleted]

  • dd

    [from the moderator: your comment didn’t begin with salutation. It’s deleted]

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello everyone!

    I, honestly, am embarrassed right now folks. I squeezed that little time I had to respond to Horizon because all the great points that were being discussed all week long became unbearable for me not to try harder to be part of it.

    By no means was I planning to write a comprehensive “todo” list, but rather to list a few talking points for others to discus on the subject at hand. So, please accept my humble apology for omission of important points or if I misrepresented any.

    Solomon:
    Do you remember saying something about “Tej, or mes” about three months ago? I was planning to respond to you with what I thought was be interesting about the word “meste” (alcoholic baverage), but I got trapped that very same day in a project that is refusing to end. We will talk.

    Now, back to the future: What I meant by “interrupted by the Ethio-Eritrean war” was that the local governments of Amhara/Tigray, who were supposedly handling that topic, shelved it to concentrate on the war effort. I was not referring to the war itself but using the time reference why the Welkait discussion stopped. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that.

    Mahmuday,
    deHan, meAltikha Halu!

    Amde,
    It was a five minutes here five minutes there but I read most of what you wrote last week, and you had lots of important points I agreed with and I learned from. It is almost magical that you had to pick on #4. Instead of saying “US like senate/congress” I wanted to quote you on the PR suggestion you made a few days ago, but I couldn’t find it with the time time I had so, I settled with “anything but” kind of a statement. For the record, I am 100% with you on that point.

    said:
    The issue of ethnicity is a profound behavior in animal kingdom. Its presence is not necessarily bad, but how we interpret it and use it makes a world of deference. It was a survival mechanism humans and many animals adapted to safeguard their territory and their families from “the others.” It is not easy to get rid of its influence from our day to day behaviors. However, with the right mindset, it is a behavior we can channel to a positive end. Let’s work on that.

    Peace!
    You too, wait for me with Mahmuday.

    Nitricc:
    You picked on #3! Brother Nitricc, even the little things that we everyday can be interpreted in so many ways, but what is important is to understand what one intended to say or do before we interpret it for them. I am making it sound simple but it is not. Anyway, why the Oromo monument is not necessarily about the past. It is not meant as criticism to others but to remind all of us to be mindful prevent it from ever happening again.

    blink:
    There is no dispute on the corruption issue at all. What needs to be done sooner than later is obvious to everyone I believe. I hope we will see some results in near future.

    Hayata: I wish I could come up with a more original phrase than “I miss you!”
    1 = 0
    2 = -1
    3 = -2
    4 = 10
    need I say more?

    I wish we had the time, but my cousin in Adama assures me that it has already began that Ethiopians will come out of this stronger and better. What I have known from their history is that EPRDF won’t have a problem changing policies if and when they are presented with a convincing argument. Judging from what PMHD said to the media a few days ago, they recognize that Ethiopia is now 70% young! Just about half of them have absolutely nothing to do 24/7. Go figure.
    Something good will come out of this experience for sure. For most part EPRDF has taken responsibility for the current state of affairs. They will talk with the opposition, with the public (already done in Oromia), and they will focus much more on youth job creation among other things in the immediate future. Since I have broken a thousand promises with everyone before, what difference would one more make: more soon!

    Ismail AA:
    Thank you for reminding me of the land issue! I will add it to list above.
    13. Give land owners the option of co-ownership of the company that will be built on that land instead of “buying” it from them on “market value.” Make the land owner beneficiary of the progress instead of a victim of it. That really raised my hair when I heard that farmers were selling their land for micro fraction of what it really could be worth on an honest appraisal.

    Again everyone,

    I am having one of those temptations to say “I love you all” but I know I will regret it tomorrow like I do many many things everyday. By then again, since I can’t reward you at this time with the dissent discussion that you deserve, what the heck, “I LOVE YOU ALL!”

    • Thomas D

      Hi Fanti,

      Would you think that the current ruling in Ethiopia would wait for the faith of Birhanu Nega to follow the Faith of Molla (Demhit) or EPRDF would be more aggressive even to take military action against this group? I am saying this because EPRDF party has been consistent in aligning this group with the internal unrest in Gonder & elsewhere.

    • blink

      Dear Fanti Ghana
      The real issue is much much bigger than you wish to tell some people in this website . You do not need to reply to each of us because Your points is simply not that much detailed and it is far below your standard . What does it tell yu when the whole GONDER was shut down like a ghost city ? Do you think the Gonder people are like some few and has no knowledge of the crime committed by the agazi police ? who can just forget the people going to sudan ? who can either dismiss the people who are harassed for being from Tigrai . The problem is deeply rooted and it will not cure unless EPRDF elites open the democratic process of Ethiopia . Once they open the democratic process to be fair and open .There will not be any of EPRDf because the people will not choose them simply due to their crimes.
      By the way to simply inform you , this website is not the best way to find any information about Ethiopia nor does it gave any hint of it because there are other websites and channels who report right from the belly . what we do here is just express our view and see some hypocrite people change their stand from minute to minute.

    • blink

      Hi All

      test one

    • Nitricc

      Hey Fanti, you are as layaway wrong: WE LOVE YOU MORE! by the way I don’t think I explained the way I want to I wanted to say because I didn’t think you got me; anyway, I will explain it next time when you have time.

    • Dawit

      Fanti: Your statement partially comes from ignorance of how to read things Ethiopian. Such ignorance is the product of a cognitive dissonance you develop when you refuse to listen to others simply because you suffer from the folly of confusing more armament with superior intellect, a delusion aggravated by all too familiar Tigrayan traits of hotheadedness and needless bellicosity.

  • Ali

    The question is will Isayas and his Shabia thugs able to handle themselves without their cousins, TPLF?

  • Solomon

    Selamat Fanti Ghana

    You said the Welqait issue was interrupted by the war with Eritrea and was not brought up again after.

    Pardon me Fanti Ghana but I don’t like my intelligence insulted.
    Has the war with Eritrea ended? Peace is not the absence of gun fire, bomb explosions, killings and continuous bloody river flows.

    Perhaps, the number one priority that is missing from your list is: Full peace with Eritrea,
    then resolve Wolqait Fonder issue, move your #9, 10,11 up to 3,4,5.

    This is an Eritrean website. With out full peace with Eritreans how does thecTPLF expect us to defend and follow its directive.
    Give it good thought.
    tSAtSE

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam Fanti
    Walqayt and identity:
    1. Also to dear Hayat: identity is basically an affinity, self-categorization. It’s basically saying “I belong to this group of people, to this politically, geographically, and/or culturally defined group. It would be the Walqayt who should have chosen where to place themselves. They where basically misled and coerced through TPLF cadres to be placed in Tigray region based on one identity factor (language). Despite the fact that they do use Amharic as much as they use Tigrigna, they were TOLD they were Tigreans. Therefore, because: a. they describe themselves as Amara, b/ they have psychological attachment to Amara region, they should have been placed within the Gondar region. It’s a mistake to ascribe the current Walqayt quest as something limited to farmland. You don’t need to be a decent of a certain ethnic group in order to have that group’s identity. Conversely, you don’t have to be Tigrean in order to have a Tigrean identity, hence, a TPLF affiliate. You could be a citizen of a certain country (legally) but you may identify with another. Ethnic/National identity is for the most part is a subjective feeling. Citizenship is a legal status. In the case of Eritreans (for Hayat), it does not matter how they developed that feeling but they felt and they feel Eritreans. Period. Ghedli was the result of that feeling. You have the right not to feel so. Just understand that unless you try to understand it from the perspectives of the subjects, you will remain judgmental and Mzungu.
    2. On number 7, 8, &11: we just need to face the reality. I condemned my government for not being inclusive both in its political and civil sense. I lamented that I felt ashamed that 25 years later there is no “civilian minister”; or no high level military commanders who have been produced in the past 25 years. We are talking about a span of 25 years. Ethiopia had had a long history of military tradition and good military academy. Many of the “good Generals” of the Durg era were recalled during the Ethio-Eritrean war. Ethiopia has a capacity to produce new generation generals who are equipped with modern military science. It’s erroneous to argue that the guerilla experience of TPLF commanders is irreplaceable. TPLF is not only dominant in the military, it’s also dominant in the decision making machinations of the state, and in other sectors. Simply put: 25 years later, EPRDF is more TPLF than it was in 1991, when it was finding its ways in Addis and other areas of the country, steered by the soft spoken MZ. Now. MZ is not more available. Samora Younis is heard saying “Shetam Amara”, he is also heard saying TPLF=TIGRAY. there you have it brother. We have to be frank. TPLF has been negotiating Ethiopian politics in the last 25 years with an IDENTITY CRISIS. It would feel Ethiopian when it is ruling Ethiopia comfortably, and slip back to its Tigrean identity and design when faced with confrontation. There is always negotiation with how you feel about yourself and how others feel about you; how you want others to feel about you and how those others actually make sense of you.
    I’m extremely fortunate to know you through this great forum. I want you to know that I have always had respect for the people of Tigray. I condemn all ethnic based biases and crimes. I do believe the people of Tigray are perhaps equally oppressed if not more than the rest.
    Regards.

    • Thomas D

      Hi Mr. Saleh,

      Would you rather see some other derg generals or their young followers now in the higher military post? If you really care for the tigrian people as you say so why would oppose to see their representation even in great numbers in the military post? This is knowing the tigreans are only 6% of the entire ethiopian populations? Would have said the same if the Amara or Oromo had kept higher number of generals than the rest ethnics in Ethiopia? I am just trying to say the logic behind what you are claiming here? The tigreans together with the Eritreans fought the derg and HS regimes to get where they are now. What we see now is old friends becoming enemies. I believe there were many failed peace talks between secretary IA and representatives of Mengistu at many venues to resolve the war peaceful? That is by letting the Eritreans to have a referendum? That was out rightly rejected by the amhara/oromo dominant regime in the past? Can you see a fruitful diplomacy established have the old actress/their followers in the round table? In short, should the change in Ethiopia benefit Eritrea in resolving current pending issue with the former? If yes, can you envision the upcoming leaders/actors and elaborate the mechanisms and hopes?

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Thomas,

        Would you please address as Mahmoud Saleh or simply Mahmoud for clarity. His name is not Saleh, it’s Mahmoud.

        • Thomas D

          Your Majesty SGJ,

          Please accept my apology, it is silly of me not think of that:)

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Thomas,
            While you are at it, please stop the “Your Majesty” thing. The first time I thought it was an error, but apparently it is not 🙂

          • Thomas D

            Dear SGJ,

            I am glad I got your attention after knocking your door. It is humble of you – not willing to be addressed by deserved/your honored title, I will address as my colleague then:)

    • Hayat Adem

      Mahmuday Kibur Seb,
      The identity level I was discussing is different…It was never about a political identity. And we are not going to discuss about Eritrea mainly here except on issue that relate it to Ethiopia. Can I ask you a question here before I comment: How do you know Welkayte’s want to relate to Amahra than to Tigray? And how do you know TPLF forced them to become Tigreans against their will? Look, these are not loaded questions and I am not questioning you views, I am trying to understand about your methodologies and how you arrived there.

      • blink

        Dear Hayat
        Does it mean people can ask you for things you said before and yet you did not bring prove or what so ever ? And you will give answer based on truth just to educate people on how you frame things.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Blink,
          I am not sure I got your point. If you are asking me if I would let people ask me any question under the sun, the answer is yes, always, always. If you are implying that my questions above to Mahmuday are somehow inappropriate, show me how and I am ready to be alerted on the excesses I made.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        MarHaba Hayat

        Despite the irreconcilable political difference, you are still the queen. Now, please do what her majesty would do. I mean, stay steady .
        Today, you are telling me that your discussion was never about political identity. Yesterday you told me ” Socially engineered identity such as the ghedli come as a result of imposition replacing native traditions.. Identities are not developed or built because you can only develop them killing other preexisting identities.” Now, the majority who have followed you for a while understand that TO MEAN that ghedli brought Eritrean entity and the identity that comes with it, obliterating previous bahre negassi…Habesha…EtioPya….abyssynia….Tigrai-Tigriugni….Agaazian nation…..wezeterefe. Otherwise, the Tigrigna is still Tigrigna, the Tigre is still Tigre, the Kunamas, Afars, Sahos, Blins, Rashaidas, Nara’s Hedendwas…So it’s clear you are talking about a political identity.
        The good thing about Hayat is that you are OPEN and I respect you for that. You never mince words when iut comes to cracking the mystery of this creature called Eritrea. You also never say a word about the social engineering that TPLF has experimented on Ethiopia, expressed by its Ethnic balkanization of the nation. You zip up. With all due respect dear Hayat, to you, Wayane was not ghedli. Wayane did not try to impose a foreign discourse of the very radical interpretations of Albanian Marxism and what it entails of sickness into Tigrean political discourse. You just ignore it. Now, let’s move to the next chapter. I’m waiting for bxaay Fanti elaboration, the answers to your questions will included there.
        brooK meAlti

        • Hayat Adem

          Kibur Mahmuday,
          We can discuss all issues you have with me exhaustively including the above ones. Can you please answer the two questions above:
          How did you know Wolkotot prefer to b Amara instead of Tigray? And what is your proof TPLF forced them to be Tigreans against their willing? Just these two.

          • Nitricc

            Hayat; I know the Qs are for Mahmuday but do you lose the complete commonsense when it comes to your TPLF thugs.

            A) because the very people who were told they are Tigryans are saying No we are not.

            B) because TPLF is saying by force that they are Tigryans and their land was included within the map of Tigray.

            and if you wanted to know in details listen to this Weqait guy and be educated about it.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbpRm0bA9UA

          • Thomas D

            Hi Nitricc,

            I know the question is for Hayat. Please focus to what I am about to tell you because I will try to tell you in the language you would understand, making it very easy for you. You support PIA and his policies, right? You came to tell the toothless Europeans that there is no enforced military service for life (that young Eritreans only do service for 18 months), no one goes to prison because he/she opposes the government that the G15, the jounalists and everyone arrested are terrorists, that no one goes to prison because of his/her religious believes that I, Nitricc, am an Eritrean and a Pentecostal member but I go to Eritrea and no once seems to arrest me……………….. Now, first you are someone who a) NO one knows if you are an Eritrean b) for the reason no one understands you support DIA c) even if we assume that you are Eritrean, you do not represent the entire population of Eritrea

            For the reasons above, the Eritrean people and the welkait people cannot be represented by you or your kinds. So, there is no fairness or logic on what you are trying to convey here.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Nitricc,
            Wait and see how Mahmuday addresses the questions and you will understand why. I use a split screen for you and for Mhamuday. He would not say the things you are saying to me and I would not ask you the questions I am asking him.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Hayat

            Why is this new to you? Are you implying that Walkait people have not been asking the kilil and federal governments for the last years? Are you pretending you are not aware of the evolution of this problem? Do you reject that there is Walkait movement/uprising related to identity issue? Are you implying you have not heard the answer to those questions from the people themselves (forget academic and political gimmicks for now). If that’s what you are implying then let me have the people of Welkait tell you. Watch the link below. Hayat, there are numerous written materials interviews…etc. Of course, you have t be open to entertain the pleas coming from the victims.
            [video deleted]

          • Thomas D

            Hi Mahmudai,

            You are an Eritrean, but statement I wrote for Nitricc applies to you as well.

          • Thomas D

            Hi Nitricc,

            I know the question is for Hayat. Please focus to what I am about to tell you because I will try to tell you in the language you would understand, making it very easy for you. You support
            PIA and his policies, right? You came to tell the toothless Europeans that there is no enforced military service for life (that young Eritreans only do service for 18 months), no one goes to prison because he/she opposes the government that the G15, the jounalists and everyone
            arrested are terrorists, that no one goes to prison because of his/her religious believes that I, Nitricc, am an Eritrean and a Pentecostal member but I go to Eritrea and no once seems to arrest
            me……………….. Now, first you are someone who a) for the reason no one understands you do not have much opposition to DIA administration c) Even if we assume you oppose the DIA administration, you don’t want him and his agents to go to the international court.

            For the reasons above, the Eritrean people and the welkait people cannot be represented by you or your kinds. So, there is no fairness or logic on what you are trying to convey here.

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Mahmuday,
            Forget your hyperbole for now. My questions were on the “how”. And I was not challenging you. I was asking you to explain. You didn’t address my question in the simplest way it was asked but I some how can deduce what I was looking for from what you said. So you are telling me you have heard from the movement, and from the Wolkotot people. That is how you knew and arrived at the conclusion that Wolkotot prefer to identify themselves as Amara rather than Tigray. That is also how you knew TPLF forced them to become Tigray against their will.
            Here is what I will state for you from what you told us above:
            1) Mahmuday concluded that Wolkotot want to identify themselves as Amhara.
            Evidence: their movements expressed it. Wolkotot themselves expressed it.
            2) Mahmuday concluded that TPLF forced Wolkotot to become Tigray against their will.
            Evidence: their movements expressed it. Wolkotot themselves expressed it.
            Did I misrepresent you in this statements Mahmuday? I only want Yes or No answer here Mahmuday. If yes (meaning my paraphrasing is wrong), I will leave it there. But if no (meaning I caught your view fairly okay), I will have few things to say. It is that simple. Do you or you don’t own them…and tell your methods?
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            PS: Mahmuday, you don’t have to argue you back with me while I am not saying anything so far except asking you a yes/no thing. If you think, these are invalid questions that must not be asked at all, say so and that would settle it better. But no qoyki where only questions are asked and no position declared. If you think your declared views were hasty and wrong, well retracting or adjusting is also one way to go around things. No body died because things are said at Awate, so it is not a life and death matter you have to react over-defensive.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hayat,

            I love Mahmuday. He will not answer the questions. The purpose of his comment is different than what you are asking him to answer. Both ways whether he answer yes or no he knows he will contradict.He is also very carefull not to echo unsubstantiated news. So what is his choice? His choice is either to go around the bush or to dismiss your question by not answering and do what we are already familiar about him. He loves to talk about the plight Ethiopian people rather than about the plight of our people. He understand what he is doing and what your questions are. Avoidances are answers in themselves, even if you don’t know the reasons behind them.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            MarHaba Hayat

            Your origina Questions:

            How did you know Wolkotot prefer to b Amara instead of Tigray? And what is your proof TPLF forced them to be Tigreans against their willing? Just these two.

            My answer: I hoped hearing it all from the people would seal the deal. So, I presented an earth-shattering video* where the people of Welkait are seen and heard speaking FOR themselves instead of TPLF cadres INTERPRETING Welkait people’s demands.

            * thanks moderator for deleting the video. I don’t abuse the posting guidelines I rarely use video links. I thought it was informational. But you make the call. I thank you for your service.

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            Dear Hayat for a reason I can only guess, you put an emphasis on the “How”, “How do you know it” you are asking me. One thing I can you is that I have never left my hometown here in the USA; I haven’t been a part of the fight. I can assure you that. ” Gee, how did I know it!!!??” Let me think. Am I going to tell you, “Well, yeah, you know I met that guy, my old pal…yes GebrexadQ who used to look after the cows while I was looking after the camels…yes, that day when we went to down to the ravine to have the animals drink from the water holes…”, Nah, that’s not going to be a good story.

            Well, then I must ehard it, read it or watched it somewhere. Does it make any difference to you? You see, our people say ” kab guyi m’Aal ksad meHaz” which traslates to “better station at the pass where the prey is suspected to pass through instead of wasting your time chasing it.” What’s important is if we both agree that (i) there is a problem (ii) the problem is the result of a long held TPLF expansionist strategy of creating Greater Tigray (link will be provided, I hope it’s not deleted) (iii) the reason why there is a popular uprising of the concerned region of Welkait-xegede- is because they were not adequately represented in the process that resulted in curbing them off Gondar (iv) the people themselves are saying all these (two programs moderated by VOA will be linked up).

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            Now, where and how does AG fit in this narration, yes your friend AG the counselor? Why would you be more interested on how Mahmuday knew what he is talking about? Of course, you know I could not be admitted in any of PFDJ’s “xere-selamna xere-demokrasi siera” situation rooms. I listen to the people. I tend to believe what the people (the victims) say more than what and how carrier cadres and politicians spin issues of interest.

            1. https://tassew.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/tplf_manifesto_-_1968_e-c.pdf

            Note: Welkait is mentioned as an area tha needs to be incorporated into the greater Tugray, just like Eritrean territories of the Afars, Kunama, Tugrignas…It’s a wild world Hayat. I think they were full of demudemu. But then it should be a demudemu of some sort; a demudemu that never wanes off, a demudemu that, with time, gets worse and worse. Please also note that at the end, you will see wayanay resolving to destroy the imperialist world. Do you remember when you mocked EPLF when you said something to the effect of ” how dare they even think they were going to destroy imperialism and…” Please, tell your friend AG that he is doing a poor job. You may need to replace him with Emma. I love you back my friend Emma.
            The following are VOA moderated interviews.
            2. a. http://welkait.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/voa-welkait-jan-24-2015.mp3
            b. http://goo.gl/NrtBm8

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            Depends on time: I will try to get some views representing your AG.

            Conclusion: Please don’t ask “How did you get this, how did you get that” stuff. Debate on the validity of materials, not on how they have been obtained. Asking me how is not going to serve you. The next time you will predictably do is presenting your friend AG or someone who goes along that line, the official line of TPLF. when YOU place politicians statements against the affected poor people, most readers will always sway towards the victims. Just to give you heads up. And you know what Hayat, I will never bring anything bxaay IA may have said about Tigray. I’m not going to bring what EPLF, ELF, PFDJ, or Eritreans say or might have said regarding the issue. Not at all. I’m going to challenge you with stuff that the affected people say, on one side, and the dismissive pronouncements and attitude of the officials on the other side.

  • Amde

    Selam Fanti,

    Many good points I can agree with. But on your point 4, I must strongly disagree.

    I think the issue is – as you articulated it previously – that the current election system (known as First-Past-The-Post , or Winner-Takes-All) is a system that disenfranchises a large plurality or even the majority of the voting public. It is simply a mechanism for translating pluralities into majorities. Thus we have the case where EPRDF reportedly wins 54% of the vote but earns 100% of the seats. I suspect in many constituencies EPRDF parties won considerably less than 50% of the vote, but still won parliamentary seats.

    So a simple fix from a FPTP to Proportional Representation (PR) can go a long way to resolving the problem of disenfranchised voters.

    A presidential system, built upon an edifice of ethnic politics, has considerable systemic risk of helping demagogic personalities from large ethnic bases have a preferential advantage in the political system in a way that permanently locks out people from smaller communities. In our context, a Presidential candidate from Oromia or Amara regions will always have a stronger starting position than let us say a Gurage from Addis.

    I would much rather have a Tigrayan or Gurage person who honestly works to assemble workable majorities out of well represented parliamentarians.

    On your proposal to have something like a senate vs house, we already do have a bicameral legislature, even though the upper house has very few responsibilities. But it can be developed into truer bicameral legislation.

    Amde

  • said

    Greeting,
    Today Ethiopia is much better than any time of its recent history but still Ethiopia becoming notorious for their poor literacy aptitude compared to the rest of the advance world populations, beside a very short span of memory, they could not even bother to revisit not the too distant history, engage in a critical scrutiny and analysis. All sort of Ethiopian dynasty Rule stretching over many centuries over Ethiopian land under the rubric of religion that left the populations of entire Ethiopia Totally backward and in descending decadence that contributed to the Ethiopian ’ abysmal weaknesses of its economy . A long extended, mostly dynasty belonging military and administrative Rule of the Ethiopian kings hugely contributed to the backwardness of the entire Ethiopian populations in all the spheres of life; i.e. the cultural; the educational; the scientific; the economic; the language; etc., etc. That long epoch is commonly referred to in the Ethiopian popular literature as, ዝቅጠት ያለው ዘመን (zik’it’eti yalewi zemeni) i.e. “The Age of Decadence.”

    Yet tiny minority in hallucination still dream of the former Kings time , ironically, the generally misinformed Ethiopian masses, foremost the leading orthodox clergy and some theologians, exalt and warmly welcome the ascendance of a backward and demagogue kings as the god sign, the prelude for the imminent restoration of the Rule of the Empire of the Ethiopia. it would be instructive to note that Ethiopia is comprised of varied ethnicities, religions and all kind aspect sects.That kingdom era is over.
    Moving forward It is moral duty upon Ethiopian society at large in coming together and in the utilization of the energies of inside the nation at home and in (Diaspora), along with the galvanization of the pro-justice and peace communities in friendly countries that sympathies with Ethiopian causes all over the world. There must soon be a movement in which Ethiopian declare a national struggle against the regime for peaceful change, involving all Ethiopian, with their collective and equal leadership, factions, civil society and communities everywhere. They must speak in one voice, regime change and declare one objective, and state the same demands, over and over again justice, equality and real democracy for all Ethiopian.
    Ethiopia will need A knew way of thinking and focus on systemic solutions presumes the need to organize human relationships from the top down. Old fragmentations are then built into every new democratic system. At first the fissures are almost invisible, because the peaceful all encompasses revolution operates under a wider horizon of compassionate and full of empathy than the old and present regime system operated – not as manipulators of others, but as good-intentioned guides.
    As history repeated itself the former TPLF freedom-loving heroes of one generation become the oppressive villains of the next. Their line of thinking about “Us and Them” line of fragmented thinking that is limited. Simply put it is a sign of the persistence of a misguided vision of reality.
    Ethiopia is a country of divers national, social, ethnic and religious divisions, after all, are not facts of nature, requiring solutions, but facts of the imagination (what our assumptions short sighted have created), requiring a broader all encompassing free of hegemony perspective. True and well meaning “credible alternative system” before abandoning the present regime. The “way to change and get there” is by dismantling these reductive visions of reality. Whatever emerges to replace must be the chose of all peace loving Ethiopian. A much progressive and modern and richer imagination begins, and will be manifested subtler possibilities in the new Ethiopia, which are not yet visible. Avoid Manipulation and Controls which only strengthen alienation and conflict will continue.
    Enough of Ethiopian (conquerors) alternating between the Tegrian or Amharic power. As in past and present today regime in Addis, this required converting Ethiopian people and its national lands recourse into controllable commodities. Ethiopian absolutely a need to free themselves from the self-incurred tutelage of this new dogma of an wanted, not needed fragmentation. So long as these tacit backward and an workable dogmas operate in Ethiopian political daily life they ’ll never form modern uplifting societies that are free of dictatorship and manipulative authoritarian tendencies and internecine ugly competitiveness.
    And creativity is an embrace of uncertainty.The formation of a new society involves the same force of spontaneous creativity that has given birth to all this shape-shifting life.
    Ethiopia as country will move forward by quality and quantity they export. How about Made in Ethiopia? How about a concept Ethiopian opposition will come up with country grand skim economic program of self-sustaining economy of 100 million people in every aspect? many of the Ethiopian are very smart and intelligent people if they are giving a real chance. Are they too stupid to make our own beautiful clothes , shirts, great shoes, assemble computers, and anything else? No. it’s the bottom line. Most Ethiopian people care about jobs. They care about income. They care about the future. They care about progress. care about the economy, they care about the modern agriculture and update education and future technology and so on.
    If creativity is blocked by divisive yesterday opposition ideas, then people will form a fractious and competitive society. But if people are free of these poisonous delusions, then by default the Ethiopia is whole, and the society that forms will be as progressive and healthy as any intact state with working political system.
    If Everyone in Ethiopia contributed in restoring a sustainable common and equal opportunity become obvious equal supply of economy and equal accesses of heath, education and drinking water and so on , which will be an accomplishment beyond the power of authorities in Addis.
    When this happens and felt by people in ground beyond Addis the structures of society that form remain provisional, don’t harden into self-perpetuating institutions. And then the unbranded human becomes paramount, speaking for themselves, swearing no allegiance to so called party in Addis, or nation. They speak for themselves, they do not need surrogate mother to speak for them .

  • said

    Greeting Fanti
    “What we choose to fight is so tiny!
    What fights with us is so great.
    If only we would let ourselves be dominated
    as things do by some immense storm,
    we would become strong too, and not need names.”
    — from The Man Watching, by Rainer Maria Rilke

    Broader Ethiopian opposition, they can – and should – also agree about the hideousness and violence and the dehumanization of all Ethiopian lives have being at high cost and that include the long suffering of Ogden people. Ethiopian opposition should have at the minimum one grand objective mission, should not forget millions of downtrodden people the voiceless Ethiopian, with minimum expectation. perhaps more realistically, downgraded the high expectations even further. If they could only agree on how the should present the narrative regarding, how to bring change true change, should clear.

    The obvious fact is that all Ethiopian. have more in common than they would like to admit. They are all victimized by the same circumstances, fighting the same cruel regime for very long time of all type of regimes past and present, suffering the same violations of human rights, and facing the same future outcome resulting from the same dictatorship regime of Addis Ababa.

    However, many well meaning are strangely incapable disassociation and disconnecting from their ethnic regional tribal-like loyalty , provincial factional affiliations. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having humanistic ideological and all encompasses political leanings and supporting one political party over another of many Ethiopian party . It becomes a sabotage and a moral crisis, though, when the party affiliation becomes stronger than one’s affiliation to the collective, national struggle for justice ,democracy ,equality liberty and freedom. Sadly, many die hard are still trapped in this thinking of ethnic regional and tribal- loyalty . After over two decades and half of the failure of the present regime ,the unity of Ethiopian is need and some progress program have to be mention and declared and accepted by all.

    Many Ethiopian are waking up from deep coma to the painful facts. Hegemony of one ethnic and total domination of TPLF party. There can be no liberty, democracy and justices for the Ethiopian people without unity and without peaceful resistance. Or the regime chose to reform itself .

  • Peace!

    Dear Fantish,

    Excellent points. But given the record of EPRDF on monopolizing elections, economy and military, harsh response to peaceful protesters, imprisoning political activists, journalists and religious leaders indefinitely under pretext of terrorism, do you think the people in particular Amharas and Oromos would ever trust EPRDF again?

    Peace!

  • Nitricc

    Hey your fitness; i have no problem with your out line and I can live with the rest of your takes but i can’t over look, with your take of number 3. you stated stated …
    “Reject direct or indirect association of past ethnic strife with Amhara. The fact that ethnic based discrimination was not as prevalent in Amhara as it was in the rest of the country does not make Amhara responsible for its creation.”

    Sir, when the people in the power, namely TPLF wasted tenth of millions of dollars to erect a statue of a cut out breasts to ignite and commemorate the past history of hate between the two brotherly people, the Amara and Oromo; isn’t the whole idea and purpose of the statue in the first place? if that is the case what is it a shock if people played by the very playbook the government set out to be played for? I agree, people should reject the past ethnic strife and look for the future. but I don’t think you see where the problem is? the truth in my mind is, TPLF wanted to keep the ethnic strife alive and the people of Tigray fall for it. how about we make that truth clear my dear and expected Fanti?

    • Solomon

      Hey Nitric,

      The above is a going forward grand purpose suggestion. It should be consistent with your take of uniting the Amhara and Oromo. Fanti is saying, going forward…….
      tSAtSE

  • blink

    Dear Mr.Fanti
    Great article , only you miss on the power sharing system of EPRDF has created for 25 years . How do you see ,their next action on power sharing . As you know the current system is as corrupt as it can get. I think you are right to say EPRDF does not represent Tigrai people .These protesters are young and they are asking their right . To put sticker by saying out side forces or agents is simply idiot way of saying EPRDF is not corrupted .

  • Hayat Adem

    Bowing to St Fanti,
    This is a great input not just for our discourse but for the policy makers. I will interact more on this as time allows. If Mahmuday has some thing to say on Ethiopia, this seems the right thread and topic. For now, I want to ask you few silly questions just for setting a perspective from where you stand given your time permits…
    1) How likely is the Ethiopian political system to collapse (1-10)? If likely or more likely reflect. If unlikely to the next..
    2) How likely is EPRDF to crack or lose control (1-10)? If likely or more likely, reflect. If unlikely, to the next…
    3) How likely is the current situation to set Ethiopia to a chaotic transition (1-10). If likely or more likely reflect. If unlikely, to the next…
    4) How likely is the current situation to help Ethiopia democratize or de-democratize further (1-10)? Reflect.
    Hayat

    • Solomon

      Selamat Hyatt Adam,

      It is very unlikely for the Ethiopian political system to collapse. On a second thought better wait for Fanti Ghana’s level of confidence. He did day TPLF has been killed and buried 12 times implying there will not be a 13th time . But no 13th is rather ominous as it suggests to me there will not be a 13th province/khilil Tigray as Tigray and the TPLF will succeed without being killed and hurried.
      The TPLF/EPRDF directive is clear. The real negotiation points are on 9,10,11. It is about the youth.
      Personal question to you Hyatt. You don’t have to answere.
      Are you Eritrean, or an Ethiopian with Eritrean origins, or Ethiopian?
      tSAtSE

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Fanti Ghana,
    Let me first commend you for your sober and constructive assessment of the situation. The country seems to be in need of such broad-minded citizens with awareness of the complexity of the general conditions in the country. The benefit of wise and concerned management of the problems in Ethiopia transcends its borders. The countries of the region have crucial stake in stable and united Ethiopia because turmoil and conflict there would not remain without impacting the neighboring countries.
    I agree with most of the key points you have enumerated in your lists of assessment, and the suggestions on the ways they should be approached. I had scribbled in this forum similar views a few days back in interaction with comments of some brothers. In my humble view the cause of the disputes have been in the main due to failure of tackling them on time.
    As you also elaborated, the initial disputes had less to do with rejection of the current form of governance and more to do with local grievances such as the encroachment of the Addis Ababa city master plan into crucial village or community lands, even though some of the elite, mainly the Amhara, loath and reject vehemently the current federal arrangement; they have been vocal against it especially in the diaspora. It is not difficult to detect the driving motive and nostalgia for the old centralized order in the writings of some intellectuals. Some of them underscore more the feeling of marginalization and humiliation as Prof. Messay Kebede wrote in Ethiomedia just this week.
    It seems that it has been difficult for some of the Ethiopian elite to reconcile with the fact that history has moved on, that the old order had been relegated to history books and that Eritrea has separated as sovereign nation-state. Above all, the old form of governance of centralized multi-nation empire is no more viable, and betting on demographic numerical factors would not serve that purpose.

    Regards,
    Ismail

    • endbezz

      Hello Ismail AA,

      Do you think the old Amhara elite are the one who are giving your government a headache? Please open your mind and look around who is on the streets. It is the young generation. Most of them are less than 35 years of age. The oldest in these young people on the streets demanding democratic change could probably was 10 years old when EPRDF took power. All they know is EPRDF in their life. No body to blame. They are EPRDF grown youngsters. The Amhara elite and DERG are long gone. It has been 25 years since you come to power. EPRDF is the problem. A problem can’t bring a solution. First you need to get rid of the problem. Just like the elite Amhara and DERG. The problem needs to be uprooted. People are tired of seeing certain political gangs benefiting form that country and being an outsider on their own country. Do you really think theorizing the situation could be a solution ? What EPRDF currently doing is theorizing it. We shall see in the coming 3 to 6 months where the current theories will take that country.

      • Ismail AA

        Dear endbezz,
        Thank you for your reaction. Your are perfectly right that the major segment of those protesting on the streets and carrying the burden fall in the age group you have mentioned. Incidentally I would like to assure you that my humble comments are not absolutely motivated by irritation that “the old Amhara elite” liking or disliking of my government! Actually I do not, and never did associate myself with the despotic order ruining my country. I assume you are aware of what is happening our youth – mostly in the same age group you have mentioned in your comment,
        Frankly, my point in mentioning some of the elite, which includes of course not only from the Amhara nationality though they constitute probably the majority, is their efforts to spin the situation at the expense of those who are playing the cost on the ground. For example I read some articles by highly educated hailing the youth carrying the old relics such as flag, and speaking about campaigning that the uprisings in the Amhara regions were reaction to humiliation and slighting by the current rulers. I know the protesters do have material and human values to struggle for, and I believe they have absolute right to do so. The government is in fact duty bound to listen and address their grievances.
        My concern, and for sure the concern of conscious Ethiopians and Eritrea as well as others in the region and outside is that the country does not slide to deeper crisis and chaos since this would transcend its borders and affect the neighbors and beyond. You and I know this what the authoritarian order in my country aspire in name of harming its adversary. And I would like to humbly opine that it is in the interest of both the peoples in Ethiopia and the region, the situation to be handled in wise emotion-free manner. I am sure the Ethiopians shall prevail in resolving their problem peacefully and avoid moving on the path that brought nation to chaos and destruction like the sad developments we are witnessing in the region – Yemen, Syria, Libya, Somalia etc.
        Thank you again,
        Ismail.