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The UAE and the Horn of Africa Threesome

Since Abiy Ahmed became Ethiopia’s prime minister in the spring of 2018, he has met with Isaias Afwerki at least a dozen times. On Sunday, Abiy Ahmed arrived in Eritrea once more. This time, he is accompanied by Lemma Megersa, the Ethiopian defense minister.

Also, after his first visit to Eritrea in July, 2019, the Somali president Mohamed Formaggio has since became a close ally of both Abiy Ahmed and Isaias Afwerki. He is visiting Eritrea for the third time to meet with the two leaders who are closely allied with Mohammed Bin Zayed of the UAE.

Ironically Formaggio still maintains good relations with Qatar, a country that is boycotted by the Saudi-UAE alliance. Both Isaias and Abiy have been trying to lure Formaggio to the Horn of Africa block which is sponsored by Mohammed Bin Zayed, the UAE crown prince.

Formaggio who is now considered the third angle of the mysterious Abiy-Isaias triangle, is visiting Eritrea for the third time since July 2019, twice in this month alone.

So far, the information about the meetings is kept secret and after each meeting, only scanty information is unofficially disclosed. While the vague official reports contain only redundant diplomatic terms like, “discussion of mutual development, economic, and security cooperation, etc.”

Eritrea is the only country among the three that doesn’t have a parliament, or a constitution and it never held an election. Since 1991, the unelected president Isaias Afwerki has been ruling Eritrea though his PFDJ party.

Regional analysts believe the “economic discussions among the three leaders revolved around the joint security and development aid funds provided by the UAE… both Eritrea and Ethiopia are procuring arms.”

Eritrean sources informed Gedab News that, “the three leaders allied with the UAE hold frequent meetings to discuss allocation of funds for their joint security and military projects after they receive studies conducted by delegated commissions.”

Based on the joint military and security cooperation agreement, Eritrea has already received a portion of the UAE provided funds to cover the cost of training hundreds of Somali soldiers in Eritrea. Our reporters also indicated that Ethiopian forces are being trained in Eritrea. However, it’s is not known whether the training is officially sanctioned by the Ethiopian government or a clandestine operation.

A few weeks ago, the first batch of Somali soldiers graduated after finishing the necessary training.

Tense military situation 

Meanwhile, the Ethiopian-Eritrean border is witnessing an extensive military movement in several regions. While thousands of troops are amassed in North Ethiopia south of the Tigrai region, similar activities were observed close to the Ethiopian and Eritrean border.

Unconfirmed reports indicate that the tense situation between the Tigrai region and the federal Ethiopian government is “untenable and it could snap [anytime] risking a military clash.” The same applies to the feud between the Eritrean and Tigrai regional governments “both of whom appear determined to finish off the other.”

The reports also indicated that Eritrean refugees with military background are being organized and trained in the region. Several Eritrean officers who abandoned the regime and lived in many parts of the world have traveled to Ethiopia.

In the last few months, the Tigrai government has completely disarmed several older Eritrean armed groups that operated in the region. Only two small groups remain with a small armed forces.

Meanwhile, many Eritrean opposition movements are getting organized. Diaspora opposition movements are attracting many people to their ranks and they have established branches all over the world. Several of them are planning to transform their movements into political parties.

In addition, the large opposition parties and organizations are planning for “a decisive meeting to reorganize and revitalize the almost frozen opposition umbrella known as the Eritrean National Council for Democratic Change, or come up with an alternative umbrella group.”

Seesaw between Qatar and the UAE 

Last year, Isaias switched his allegiance to the UAE and abandoned Qatar, a country with which he maintained an excellent relation for many years.

Beginning in 2019, Eritrea has accused Qatar twice of trying to destabilize the country from the Sudanese territories. The Eastern region of Sudan which is adjacent to Eritrea has been going through political crisis since the  overthrow of the Al-Bashir regime in April 2019.

The final blow to the relations between Qatar and Isaias Afwerki came in a press release issued by the Eritrean government on Nov. 28, 2019, that leveled ten accusations against Qatar. The accusations rang from supporting and regrouping the Eritrean opposition forces to planning the assassination of Eritreans leaders.

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  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. The TPLF is playing a dangerous game. In an article posted on Borkena: ‘In northern Ethiopia, Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) – a political entity that is running regional administration is increasingly challenging the authority of the Federal government. Weeks after Debretsion Gebremichael (chairman of TPLF) disclosed about the growing difference with the Federal government,his party organized a military parade in Mekelle this past weekend, which is politically interpreted among politicized Ethiopians.
    In the parade, the region’s special forces displayed group weapons apart and individual assault rifles. The military show of power came with the pretext of celebrating the organization’s 45th anniversary. The celebration is still underway, and the final day of celebration is on February 19 (a day on which the organization is believed to be established) – and an even bigger military parade is expected.
    TPLF has been undertaking intensive propaganda in the region, painting a picture that Tigray is under siege from a different direction, and the people in the area have to be ready to defend themselves.’

    • Selam mokie berhe,

      Tplf may have left the bushes but the bush mentality never left tplf. Ethiopians were asking why would tplf remain a liberation front while it was ruling ethiopia. What else has it to liberate, unless its only unfulfilled mission was creating greater tigray.
      Tplf’s blind and narrow nationalism and militarism, and its thirst for war will take it to a quagmire. In addition, the love for power and money has made tplf officials myopic and it seems that they ignore the consequences of war so quickly just within two decades since the last war.
      I don’t know if this behavior is the result of fear or simple bravado. Already the economy is not functioning well. Just imagine if this bravado continues how things are going to be even without war, let alone with war.
      Tplf has divided not only ethiopians but eritreans as well. It is interesting to read the discussion that has been taking place between pro-tplf and anti-tplf eritreans. What is the purpose of the pros doesn’t need much to interpret.
      Who wants a free and independent eritrea, and who wants an eritrea that is under tplf influence, is the difficult question eritreans have to answer, much more than if ethiopia has the plan to form a confederation or anything else with eritrea. Remember, free and independent eritrea doesn’t go with greater tigray or agaziland.
      It seems that Eritrean and amhara lands are becoming similar to the west bank under israeli occupation, where settlements are being created to legitimize the occupation. This seems to be their fate. One cannot create greater tigray by leaving land to their rightful owners, but by incorporating land from others. People in raya, wolkait, humara are intimidated by the show of force. Where that will go we will see. If the aim is to make maximum damage and disappear as a political party, again the future will show. Moreover, why tplf wants to take the people of tigray on this uncharted and dangerous journey, is a million dollars question. If indeed tplf is a bunch of selfish and irresponsible people, there is nothing one can say or do.

      • sara

        selam horizon——– good observation—thank you–“It is interesting to read the discussion that has been taking place between pro-tplf and anti-tplf eritreans”
        you are right, initially it was between the lines…. now it is openly visible for an
        average reader like me.

        • Paulos

          Sara,

          Glad to see you, you renewed your, “Isaias please screw me over again” membership card.

          ትገርሙ ሰባት ኢኹም!

          • sara

            paulos,
            this time out of respect to the forum and forumers , i will not respond in kind but good thing is your camouflage is no more, and i will leave the rest to the moderators .

          • Peace!

            Hi Sara,

            Please be aware this is not the awate forum we all know. It has become an extension of Tigrai Online.

            Peace!

          • Nitricc

            HI peace; I agree 100% with you this forum has turned not only Tigrayonline but to Agazian web site. I think the people who are
            bombarding us with the love of Tegaru and Tigray; somehow they are half Tigryan and half Eritrean and they feel they need to defend Tigray at the expense of Eritrea. And some are married to Tigryan
            person and they feel less Eritrean and they defend Tigray at all cost. Their goal defending Tigray at the expense of Eritrea is simply and deep in heart they are Agazians. They can try but it will never happen. Besides; they never liked the color of Eritrean’s eyes. So all this BS is they are fighting for Agazians. That is all there is to it.
            They wanted you to forget the Eritreans lowland who paid dearly and unite the high land Eritreans with Tigray. here you have it.

          • Peace!

            Hi Nitric,

            I thought our veteran awatista Amanuel Hidrat would defend the forum, but it turned out ናቶም ፈዳይን ኮይኑ ጸኒሑ ( insider). Our dialect is the sam, we are one people, let’s build Agazian nation. 😂

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Peace,

            Actually I defend Awate.com and its forum more “than you” or more than any body (excluding the owner). But it has been long since you have deteriorated in to a name calling. Since I know who am I, it does not bother me. Whatever you call me it will not stick on me. It only tells who you are.

          • Paulos

            ፓቸ ዓርከይ,

            You’re looking good these days except that እዞም ኣጋዝያን ዝባሃሉ ትራማረ የእትዮምልካ. ሰብ ጸውዕ ተበልክዎስ “ባዓል በለስ” ትብል ሓትነይ ዝማም ተኾነት and lasciare perdere ይብሉ ጥልያን ተኾኑ.

            ኣጋዝያን ተረስዑ ሰባት’ዮም ብዙሕ ኣቓልቦ ኣይትግበረሎም።

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Peace,
            What is preventing you from engaging–why do you absent yourself for months and come back to make disparaging remarks like a periodical inspector. Please have some wisdom.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            ፓቸ ልክዕ ከምቲ ኣብ ኣስመራ ንገብሮ ዝነበርና ናይ ሳንያ እዩ ዝገብር ዘሎ።

            By now, you know all of us as in where we stand and as the saying goes ንኣድጊ ዘይከበዶስ ንመጽዓን ከበዶ ይብሉ ለባማት ከምዚ ከማኻ and why is ፓቸ complaining when you the owner and publisher of this site are not being bothered by the often times opposing ideas we entertain. Beats me. Really!

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            PACE means good. I know that. But sometimes his good half defeats his ..,good half and he sounds another person. We all have bad times so don’t hold it against him. But I wish all will focus on what’s important, each from his own perspective. Exclusion doesn’t advance any discussion even among siblings. It’s the Beaty of diversity and passionate debate that sharpens our thoughts. Otherwise, it will be a cheap echo chambers. Both of you know that very well. Smile !

          • sara

            Peace hawna, , my friend says…..Aye Eritrawyan….when she finds herself in such situation…..
            i am hoping to see the moderators verdict.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Horizon. You hit the nail on the head!

    • Samuel

      Selam Mokie berhe,
      What happen to the “Game Over” mantra? Ethiopia is diverse society with diverse need, it covers 426,000 square miles, Menelik palace is 40-acre, you have to have a control of 426,000 square miles not 40-acre.
      The Ethiopia case is “Right vs Wrong”, “Truth vs Lie”, “27 years darkness vs 27 years of development”, “Derg didn’t lose vs Ethiopia nation nationalities win” more importantly it is “Chauvinism vs Development”.
      You have to understand the core goal of PMAA, it’s not about democracy, it is not about economic development, it is about to knee one part of the society and then bring back the old chauvinism.
      There are those who want to bring back the old regime by lying and painting false propaganda, there are those who want to defend what they have achieved in the last 28 years. Any neutral person can tell you how much Ethiopia has progressed since 1991 but the force of evils are telling us HS/Derg were better than EPRDF.
      What you see in Tigray is TPLF passing the torch to the next generation, IA should have done that long time ago. In the last 45 years TPLF has changed its leadership 7 times, however IA is still in power, more than 50 years.

      Thanks,

      • Nitricc

        Hi Samuel; Sometimes be honest to yourself. start by believing TPLF thugs are not the people of Tigray. Just for a show of support for those thugs, you are disserving the people of Tigray. indeed it was the time of darkness the last 27 years in Ethiopia thanks to your TPLF thugs. How dark? Dark enough the Ethiopian Airlines can’t stop flying in to china. Do you know why can’t stop? because your TPLF thieves sold it to china. Do you understand the risk of coronavirus given to Ethiopian dense population and the infrastructure of the health care, simply catastrophic. So, before you blow your own BS; at least look at the fact. TPLF is nothing but the most backward and stupid organization. TPLF is the first government to be ditched while the have the bank and the tank; because they are stupid.

        • Samuel

          Selam Nitricc,
          TPLF is the product of Tigray struggle, thus it is the Tigray people who are responsible what to do about TPLF, if we believe TPLF is fighting our interest we will support them if not we will get rid of them. In 2018 Tigray was in the verge of getting rid of TPLF but PMAA has saved by them by running false propaganda. We sensed quickly the hidden agenda of PMAA.
          Try to write sensible argument instead of “በለካ ለኽዐካ”, don’t try to be better economist than “World Bank and IMF”, even the “World Bank and IMF” who were/are against EPRF economic ideology, they have witnessed the Ethiopian double digit economic growth.
          Ethiopia Airlines is the biggest Airline in Africa, how did that happened? Try to learn the EAL management. Loan is something that you can’t avoid at any stage of development, the question is does it worth? Regarding the Ethiopia Airline yes it does worth it.
          My two cents for you, in order people to trust your argument try to have sensible argument, make sure your facts have at least half-truth. There are so many mismanagement in Ethiopia that I would have agreed with you but EAL isn’t one of them.

          Thanks,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Samuel; why is Ethiopian airlines keep flying in china at that in to Wuhan? can you understand the gravity of it. now why is EAL flying in to China. if you have any courage, answer that.

          • Samuel

            Selam Nitricc,
            If the EAL management believes the risk is minimum then they can make that decision. If anything goes wrong they will be responsible. EAL flying to China has nothing to do with loan.

            Thanks,

          • Nitricc

            EAL flying to China has nothing to do with loan.

            Hey Samueal; Everything to do with the loan. EAL It belongs to china. let’s not fool ourselves. 13 billion dollars all nothing but china’s. Just pray the outbreak won’t spread in your country.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            Do u know how countries takes loans and pay back debt?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; I think so, lol they lend you a dollar and you pay them 10. if you can’t pay them back; they will take whatever you have. Ask Srilanka; the port is gone. Kenya, Mombasa will follow; then port of Djibouti to fall. Since Ethiopia don’t port, EAL is the asset China to hold. I.e. EAL is at the ownership of China if not, there is not thinking human who decides to fly in to Wuhan. Am I wrong?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            No, they loan u based on ur credit score and the gov promise and when countries unable to pay back, countries declared bankruptcy and mostly considered defaulted, countries not able to get a new loans.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; that was the old days. China changed everything. With China there is credit score, the more you take the better for china. for instance; Angola is 123 billion dollars in loans. now it was credit grading, no African nation should be that amount indebts. So, the point with China the more you take the better.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            Based on ur number about angola loans and based on angola’s gdp, angola has less debt than the USA.
            there is no collateral between sovereign countries gov loans , it’s always the countries credit score and promises.

    • Gebremedhin Yohannes

      Selam Mokie
      Allow me to ask you a question just curious where were you when Baden’s was under the administration of TPLF or Tigray Administration until 1998 ,you know the resident of Baden’s did not vote for the referendum
      Second if you really care about Eritrea and Eritreans what is going to happen the villages (ዐድታት) and the people who are awarded to Ethiopia about 10-12 villages around Tserona ,I hope you consider them Eritreans
      I want also to remind you Tamerat Negeri =Horizon thy are one and the same don’t be floods
      I will wait for your answer
      Gebremedhin

      • Nitricc

        Hi Gebremedhin; if the war was about Badime; why did your government went to Assab? why to Barentu and Teseney? why to Tserona? why? You see, when Eritreans helped you to power, you comeback with more force with the Amara, Oromo and the rest of 100 million people and their resources. Still Eritrea and Eritreans foiled it with amazing tenacity and sacrifices. Then you tried 20 years with no peace no war that was designed by your dead leader; even then you couldn’t. then there was evil designer to open refugee comp and drain entire Eritrean youths and to waste their life in the refugee comps; The amazing thing is, Eritrea is stronger than ever and alive while you are unable to coop with one year no war no peace situation on your medicine. Qeustion for you; if Badime wasn’t Eritrea how come the judgment awarded Badime to Eritrea?

        • Gebremedhin Yohannes

          Selam nitric
          መሰተኻ፡ ድለ
          Wat of time
          Gebremedhin

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Gebremedhin Yohannes. Badme did not fall under Ethiopian administration until July 1997. I was personally in Badme in 1996 when it was not under Ethiopian administration. I also attended the April 1997 Ethio-Eri meetings at the Habte Hotel courtyard in Shire wherein we thought that problematic occurrences, especially those between 1993-1996 (Greater Tigray expansion), had been laid to rest. Regarding the Tserona front, what specific villages are you referring to where Eritreans still remain? Thanks.

        • Abi

          Hello mokie
          This meeting you attended at Habte hotel must be before the meeting that took place in another hotel in Addis.
          My question is this a continuation from the former agenda or a separate one?
          Always interesting to read from someone who attended meetings than a third person.
          Thanks

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Abi. Yes, the meeting at the Habte Hotel was before and not connected to meeting in Addis which took place during the early stages of the 1998 crisis. There was even a joint high-level meeting held in Asmara in late 1997 in regards to Badme, but I was not there. The Habte Hotel had special memories for both the TPLF and the EPLF, for it served as a joint control center after the fall of the Derg during the 1988/1989 Shire offensive.

          • Abi

            Hello mokie
            Thank you very much.
            I remember you mentioning the 1997 meeting in Asmara.

          • Gebremedhin Yohannes

            Selam mokie
            Good thing you separate the common people from the weyane elites ,which is the problem we have

        • Gebremedhin Yohannes

          Selam Mokie
          Thank you for the gentle response
          About Bademe I know ELF use to administer it before thy were pushed out from their country ,after that it was under the administration of EPLF but after some time the cruel man ordered the EPLF Administrator to hand it to weyane
          It was all over the interne Amanuel H can help me here but I can get you the detail
          The Tserona region awarded to Ethiopia
          Sebo,Akran,Kunin and kunito,enshag etc

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mokie,

          Badme was under Ethiopia since 1982. The Eritreans who voted for referendum in Badume have voted like those Eritreans who resided in the Ethiopian cities and towns. Therefore, my rebut to your lies will be through an eye witness of the following “Abo” who was a resident of Badume at that time. Badume was rewarded to TPLF for the unreserved hand they gave them in the pushing out ELF from the field. There is no way to escape from that truth, Mokie.

          https://youtu.be/co4zGHVCW3w

          • Gebremedhin Yohannes

            Selam AH
            Thank you sir

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. You definitely are a bit longer in the tooth than me. I was still in university in 1982 (that’s the year you left Eritrea right?) and I was not in Badme at the time of referendum vote. I can only speak on what I know and have seen at the times that I have been there. The first time that I was in Badme town, I was stuck by the fact that there simply wasn’t much to it. I could have easily mistaken it for a mobile nomadic village elsewhere in Eritrea. As you might know, in several rural areas by the Ethiopian-Eritrean border with consideration to remoteness, people simply went to the nearest polling station to vote irrespective as to if it was under Ethiopian or Eritrean administration.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            Try to avoid from involving to the history you don’t know. That is my advice to you and Nitric. Let them talk for those who participate in that dark part of our history,

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. Please humor me. You have been out of Eritrea for some 40 years, have not seen Badme from at least 1982, yet you wish to lecture me on how Badme was in the years just prior to the Ethio-Eri border war when I had physically been there. Long gone on the days of old, when you guys use to side with the TLF and chased the TPLF out of the Badme corridor, in attempt to deny them access to Sudan. Do you know what the TPLF did to Kunama that were displaced from TPLF occupied Badme after the Ethio-Eri border war? They were placed they in refugee camps in Tigray and designated as Eritrean refugees and not Ethiopian Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs).

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            TLF wasn’t in Badme and its environs until it is liquidated by TPLF on the North Eastern of Tigray. Correct your reference. Second the idea of “Greater Tigray” has surfaced around 1984 after the joint forces of EPLF and TPLF kick out ELF from the same place. ELF was the guardian protector of Badume and its environs. Correct your history. Third since TPLF was administrating Badume and later by Tigray kilil, the tigrian businessmen had a small marble factory at the center of the village. Fourth the Eritreans in who were living in Badume have voted as Eritreans who reside in Ethiopia. All these facts are recorded in the history book when Eritrea is back to its owner – the Eritrean people from the mafia group.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. You are saying absolutely nothing new to me. I know that the TLF was never in Badme. What I am saying is that the ELF sided with the TLF against the TPLF, by (amongst other things) preventing the TPLF’s passage thru Badme to Sudan. I can’t stop you if you wish to believe and repeatedly regurgitate post 1991 Badme history as told to you by a Tigrian businessman or the the TPLF. The Greater Badme agenda really did not become a huge issue for Eritrea until the TPLF started to forcefully populate the area (1993-1996) with eventual armed police/militia & telecoms in 1997.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            First Badume was an issue during the liberation era until it become rewarded to TPLF for helping them to eject ELF from Badume in particular and from Eritrea in general.

            Second when you say “ ……when you guys use to side with the TLF to chase the TPLF out of the Badme corridor” aren’t you talking prior to 1991 history? In fact ELF was trying to mediate the two organizations before they went to a full blown civil war. TPLF was never denied a passage by ELF to Sudan, rather it was denied a passage by EPLF in 1985, during the drought and feminine hit Tigray people – a sad history of inhumanity.

            Third, the “Greater Tigray” manifesto that include a chunk of Eritrean territory was circulating since 1984 and not in 1993-1996. You can’t create time frame to fit your narration. Truth will always haunt your lies.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amauel Hidrat. If you are going to be a mouthpiece for the TPLF you should at least know what they have said in the past about the ELF; they never trusted your leaders and for good reason. In regards to the TLF, I am of course referring to old times long before 1991. Greater Tigray manifesto? Please show me a document signed by the EPLF which ceded Badme to the TPLF. In regards to 1985, are you asserting that the EPLF blocked relief food passage into Tigray?

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. You often ask spurious statements which seem to be fueled by hate that you retain from the 1970s/1980s. I ask am asking you again, in regards to 1985, are you asserting that the EPLF blocked relief food passage into Tigray?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            Yes Indeed. They were not in good term with each other. And hence they did,

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. Just another falsification spawned by desperate remaining remnants of the ELF leadership. The EPLF never interfered with food movement into Tigray region during the 1985 famine. As per Wikipedia: ‘However, at the onset of the 1984-1985 famine REST suffered from logistical constraints. The organization had only 35 trucks, out of which many were in bad shape. Unable to cope with the humanitarian disaster, REST and TPLF decided to encourage Tigrayans to seek food at distribution centres operated by the Addis Ababa government’. Back in 1985, convoys of food to Shire (we usually simply referred to it as Enda Selassie back then) and western corridors of Tigray, were undertaken by World Vision International (WVI). WVI norther operations (Tigray & Eritrea) at the time, were then managed by Dr. Milton Amayun (a Filipino national age 35 at the time). WVI maintained a new fleet of 33 yellow DAF trucks (2700 & 3300 models) and Calabrese trailers which were based in Asmara at gejeret nishte at the old Melotti transport compound in front of Bar Mulu (owned by Francisco Olivero Limo). Coordination of food convoys to Shire were under the general coordination of Lt. Girma Woldegiorgis (later to become president) {his assistant was Hanna Beyene} who was then the Transport Head for Northern Ethiopia. World Vision’s transport operations (sub-contracted out) were managed by a company out of Overland Park, Kansas; called James Beckley Associates which would later in 1990, approach EPLF’s office in Washington in a failed attempt to be awarded a transport contract for moving food through the Ghinda buffer zone from Masssawa to Asmara; the U.N.’s World Food Programme/Transport Operation was in the end awarded the contract wherein 50% of relief food would go to Derg controlled areas and 50% would go to EPLF controlled areas. Jim Beckley (would later serve as Secretary of transport for the State of Kansas) was friend of Girma and Girma’s wife and a couple of his children stayed at Beckley’s house in Kansas back then. Any convoy movement of relief food from either Massawa or Asmara to Tigray at that time was (for security reasons) cleared by both the EPLF and the TPLF; convoy movements and tonnages transported were well known. Please don’t speak of things you claim to know but clearly don’t.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            Your story is referring on the Derg side how the government react to the feminine. I am talking on the sudan corridor, the TPLF humanitarian aid could enter to the hinterland of Tigray, where the Derg has no control of it. Since you told me that you were in collage in 1982 earlier, you don’t have any clue about the humanitarian aid Sponsored by TPLF that were coming through Sudan from the “world church organization”. Keep in mind you are talking on something you don’t have any clue.

            Second, you are talking about the relief aid that were coming to EPLF, that is not the argument we have. But go and mix it to confuse our readers.

          • Abi

            Hello mokie
            Always interesting to read your comments.
            Some parts of your above comment was discussed ( rather bickered) by Vet Mahmud/ Hayat Adem/ T Kifle .
            I don’t remember Amanuel H participating in the bickering.

            A fun fact
            The world vision international trucks used a yellow license plate with code number 35.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            What is your opinion on this Greater Tigray vision?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            “Grater Tigray’ is not a “vision” it was a “claim”. It was a false claim. No history could substantiate it. The boundary of Eritrea is created by the Italian colonizers. The map of Eritrea is clearly delineated based on the treaties (1898-1908) and (1901-1903). There is no but and ifs on this fact. It was just a false claim.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Thank you for your time.
            If I understand you correctly Some entity is falsely claiming the Eritrean land.
            It must be the visionary leader and his support groups.

          • Nitricc

            HI Aman-H so are you saying the international court is wrong? hahahaha it is amazing how you guys do things. The international court won’t render its verdict unless exhaust all the evidences and facts. But I understand you got to defend the Tigryans at all costs.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Nitrickay,

            Where did I say that the international court is wrong? It is not only you don’t understand Tigrigna but also to basic English, I think.

          • Nitricc

            since TPLF was administrating Badume and later by Tigray kilil, the tigrian businessmen had a small marble factory at the center of the village. Fourth the Eritreans who were living in Badume have voted as Eritreans who reside in Ethiopia.

            Hey Aman-H; it is natural to occur self contradiction when you tried to chew on both of side of your mouth. Read what I have quoted you and tell what it means. read it for yourself
            Eritreans who were living in Badume have voted as Eritreans who reside in Ethiopia”
            You can’t be more clearer than this. You may fool the fools but not me.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam Haile S. Numbers of Eritreans fleeing the county is indeed a polemic and is more prevalent in rural rather than urban areas. Eritrea’s population now likely stands somewhere around 3.3 million (63.3% urban) with an average age of 19.2 compared to a population of around 2.25 million (26.1% urban) back in 1991 when the average age was 17.4 years. Eritrea’s military troop size has been rather constant over the past several years and remains one of the largest in Africa. Agazians (inc. TPLFites) may dream of setting up a KFC in Asmara but it will be sometime before they have opportunity to apply for cleaner and dishwasher positions.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Mokie,

      Which article of the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights’ is against the degradation of a fellow human being? You should know and apply on yourself if you are reminding others of article 15!
      There is a saying in tigrigna ዝንዓቕካዮ የጥንስ! I invite you to watch 1000ን ሰማንያን movie with ነባር and ተፈኖ* Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia as characters. It is educating and intertaining where ዝተናዕቀ ዘጥንሰሉ!

      *ተፈኖ = a name given to Eritrean who left the country after the peace agreement of 2018.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Haile S. It seems so easy here for many to forget that the TPLF is the enemy of not only PIA/PFDJ but ALSO the State of Eritrea in so long as it continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land. And, this has absolutely nothing to do with the deplorable flight and status of Eritrean refugees.

        • Haile S.

          Mokie,
          I was referring to your sentence “before they have opportunity to apply for cleaner and dishwasher positions” and you giving lessons to others on universal human rights and you not applying it. Watch the movie and see who does the lower job, juat referring to what you said. And the ዝንዓቕካዮ የጥንስ is literally there! It is admirable you watch TPLF activities, but it should not prevent you from zooming on other issues too!

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Haile S. So, you believe that by (sarcastically) saying (in retort to your sarcastic comment) that your enemy (to include TPLF and Agazians and TPLFites that are now supporting their agenda) which is illegally occupying Eritrea, may one day be considered for cleaner or dishwasher jobs in Eritrea, would be subject to the purview of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Afraid not!

          • Haile S.

            Mokie,
            Read article 5. It is also in the Golden Rule of Reciprocity!

        • Nitricc

          Hi Mokie; the truth is there are two kinds of Eritreans who flee to Ethiopia. One kind is the once who didn’t get the point to proceed to collages and higher education end up going to Ethiopia in hope to go to somewhere or at least they can smoke shisha freely. And the other one is, there is Aid in tigray; as soon as you arrive in the refugee comp, you will get 15 kilo powdered grains, one liter cooking oil and some other stuff. In fact the entire Tigray is living through Aid and so do the refugee. So, because lazy Eritrean preferred for free lunch somehow the Eritrean government is responsible. I grantee you, every lazy and dumb Eritreans who went to Ethiopia will regret to the bone. Give it some time.

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      Let me give you an idea on how Eritreans are treated in Mekele. And this is true. When an Eritrean and a Tigrean apply for rent of the same residential place at the same time, and if the rent is say, 1000 Birr a month, the landlord would give the Eritrean for 700 Birr just out of sympathy and kindness. I am not making this up, it happens all the time.

      Now, compare that kind kind of compassion with what you said as in Dish-Washers. Perhaps, in a true and mysterious sense, your enemy is not TPLF—-እግዚኣቢሄር ድማ ንልቦም ኣትረረ says, the Good Book! We need too look deep in to our hearts, maybe then ናይ ኤርትራ መከራ ይውዳእ ይኸውን!

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Paulos. My comment was aimed at the TPLF and not the people of Tigray in general.

      • Nitricc

        Let me give you an idea on how Eritreans are treated in Mekele. And this is true. When an Eritrean and a Tigrean apply for rent of the same residential place at the same time, and if the rent is say, 1000 Birr a month, the landlord would give the Eritrean for 700 Birr just out of sympathy and kindness

        Hey P; No! kindness has nothing to do with it. if you have a shred of honesty, you won’t say kindness if it was? the Tigryans won’t deport pregnant women through war zone by taking everything they own. The Tigryans doing what you are saying doing not out of kindness but of inferiority. Again how do you know so much about Tigray and Mekkelle?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        Did you read or listen the speech of the bogus prime minister in the inaguaration of the Wolmal dam project, in Bale. Can you call him this bogus PM a unifier? Man! how could he say the following if he is a unifier leader:

        (a) ትናንትና አትወጡም አትገቡም ብሎ አጥር ያጠረብን ዛሬ ወጥቶ መግባት አይችልም፣ ከእኛ ፈቃድ ውጪ።

        (b) አሁን ደግሞ ልጃችሁ እናንተን ይዞ፣ እስከዛሬ ያወረዱንን አዋርዶ፣ ወደ ሀገራቸው መልሶ::

        (c) ቤተመንግስታችንን መጥታችሁ ለማየት እድል ያላገኛችሁ ሰዎች፣ ከፕሬዚደንታችሁ ጋር ተመካከሩና፣ ከገዳ አባቶች ጋር ተመካከሩና መጥታችሁ እዩት፤ ቤተመንግስታችን ባሌን ይመስላል፤ ባሌ ቤተመንግስታችንን ይመስላል።

        (d) ዛሬ እንደ ሚዳቋ ወዲህና ወዲያ እየሮጠ የሚወራጨውን ይቅርና ሃያ ሰባት ዓመት የበላችንን ወያኔ እንኳን በልተን አባረናታል::

        Ethiopia is at a crossroads of integration. And Issayas will be a good catalyst for its integration. It is a sad scenario in the making.

        • Samuel

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
          That is exactly right, PMAA enablers aren’t seeing that, they are blinded by thirst of power. If PMAA is a unifier for all Ethiopians how could he speak that kind of language at this moment in time. The country is in the verge of collapse but he keeps making mistake after mistake. He is without any kind of constituency, he couldn’t fit in any of the Ethiopia constituency (peasant, worker, nation etc) because from get-go he has been deceiving the people and he chose to continue with that. In his mind Menelik/HS/Derg are his role model. Teddy Afro has sung about Menelik and HS, he is fantasizing that.

          Thanks,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Samuel; don’t just follow think for yourself. When PMAA said those things, he was saying it at directing Jawar. for instance; when he said borrowing from Aman’s post

            (d) ዛሬ እንደ ሚዳቋ ወዲህና ወዲያ እየሮጠ የሚወራጨውን ይቅርና ሃያ ሰባት ዓመት የበላችንን ወያኔ እንኳን በልተን አባረናታል::

            He was telling Jawar that he survived the TPLF thugs let alone you jumping like deer. everything was at Jawar.

          • Gebremedhin Yohannes

            Selam Samuel
            What do you expect from this pseudo everything who say on his CV have a degree in 1994 ,go figure it he is a recruit of the west and he will do what ever he is ordered in the mean time the country will be destroyed.
            The cruel man in Eritrea is teaching him how to kill people and destroy a country
            Egyptian are laughing man.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Gebremedhin,

            As per Wikipedia he his BA in 2001. Considering he was born in 1997, I don’t think he could possibly graduate in 1994.

            Could it be in EC, which seems correct?

            Berhe

          • Gebremedhin Yohannes

            Selam Berhe
            Well it was in his CV he provide to the Ethiopian parliament.BTW I hope we are talking about the same person Abiy,he can’t be born in 1997 ,he was a radio operator during the 1998 .
            And that is my point he can not have a degree in 1994 .
            Gebremedhin

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Gebremedhin,

            Are we talking about Abiy Ahmed.

            Sorry my bad, I meant to write 1977.

            1977 – 7 = 1970 EC. And if graduated in 1994 EC, he was 24.

            That’s what I was thinking.

            Berhe

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          Yes I have heard of it. Well, the guy obviously is not too bright. Every time him, Isaias or the other people come out and vilify TPLF, they are pushing the Tigrean people to be united behind TPLF. It is a simple logic not to difficult to comprehend.

        • Selam Amanuel H.,
          You accused the ethiopian PM in your usual way, of course. This time you implicate him that he accused tplf in his speech at the inauguration of Wolmal dam project, bale. I listened to three videos in connection with the ethiopian PM’s inauguration speech and it was at the inauguration of Genale Dawa III Hydro-power Project. In none of the videos did i listen PMAA mentioning tplf directly or indirectly. The only thing he said, if one stretches somehow his words, that could point to tplf was that the project should have been finished earlier. I understand that the project started in 2003.
          I think that only one dam was inaugurated in bale. Can you give us the link, if it is not the above mentioned video(s) about genale III.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.horizon
            when the haters show hate to ethiopia or show hate to ethiopian gov means ethiopia is doing good. when these people show love to ethiopia or Ethiopian governmen means ethiopia is in trouble.
            enemy will not be happy when u progress or do good, it is the other way round, they will be sad.
            besides, they r not Ethiopians and if they r interested on tigrai, tigrai can use article 39 and unite with them.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            My friend if the moderator will not remove it, here it is and read It or listen to your self:

            https://news.et/2020/02/10/ትናንትና-ያዋረደንን፣-አዋርደነዋል፤/?fbclid=IwAR1JT04SHTIzVwhS-JIGDdLF7mqI1AHKGj7sJ8EWAJ2HshCiPZxNjIBJz3k

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            3A is talking about mainly the oromo people grievances under old feudal system “nefet’egna” and under the last 27 years rule and how the oromo people overcome the problem and won at last and now is the time to rebuild bala, oromo and ethiopia.
            but since u r a hater of anything good for ethiopia and a proud foot soldier of tplf, with out knowing what 3A is talking about , u just jump to defend tplf.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            Thanks a lot. I hope somebody else who knows the oromo language may tell us what the ethiopian PM said exactly, to help us make a comparison. In addition, knowing about the website, News.et, and the person who translated it, ዶ/ር አብርሃም አለሙ, may help to verify that the PM actually said as is written. I personally find it difficult to believe, especially the part which says “.. ሃያ ሰባት ዓመት የበላችንን ወያኔ እንኳን በልተን አባረናታል”. The rest could be interpreted in different ways. A third party will help a lot. Let’s hope that somebody comes especially with a translation of the points under discussion directly from the speech.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat!

    ኤለትርያ ትሓምየና ኣላ
    ኣብ ቅርዓት ወጺኣ ዓው ኢላ
    ትብል ንሳ
    ድሕሪ ዝጨካን ቀይዲ-ፈተሕ ካብ ዝጋሰሳ
    ስኢና መለሳ
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ተዳዕሚዀ ትብለኩም
    በቲ ድኹም ልሳና ትደሃየኩም
    ክመውት ቀሪበ ንዳበለትኩም
    ኤለትርያ ከመይ ኔራ ትብሉ ናይ ቀደም
    እዋይ ጸገም
    ምሁር ዶ ክንድዚ ይዕዘም
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ኣነ ትንፋሰይ ትልኽ ክትብል
    ንስኻ ብናይ ቀደም ግርማይ ከተዕልል
    ኣብ ኢድካ ከይበልኩ ክምብል
    ናይ ቀደም ንታሪኽ ገዲፍካ ናብ ህልው ዘይት ዘልል
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ኣጻፍር እግረይን-ኢደይን ተሸራሪፉ
    ንስኻትኩም ናይ ዘበን ኣባ-ነጋ ከተዘንትዉ ትሓልፉ
    በጃኻትኩም ኣብ እዋን ዓራርቦ የዕርፉ
    ኣብ ክንዲ ኣማኢት ዓመታት ዘሕለፈ ትልፍልፉ
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ዒዋል ሃጸይ ዮውሃንስ
    ምስ ኣቢ ኮይኑ ከብለኒ ርምስ
    ንስኻ ድማ ናይ ቀደም ትድንስ
    ዝሓለፈ ትዊስ
    ንዳረኣኻኒ ክፈርስ
    ክፈራራስ
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ስለዚ
    ኣስተውዕሉ
    ልቢ ግበሩ
    ምስ ዝፈልጡ ምኸሩ
    ትብለና ኣላ

    ስለምንታይ? ግዜኡ ኣኺሉ
    ብምሉእኩም ንሓዋሩ
    ከይትድስክሉ
    ትብለና ኣላ

  • Hashela

    Dear All

    I want to conclude my part of the war damage discussion with the following observation and conclusion.

    All Eritrean-Ethiopian wars (1961-1991 and 1998-2000) were carried out on Eritrean sovereign territories. It follows that the overwhelming majority of civilians who were subjected to war atrocities were Eritreans and some Ethiopian settlers. Notwithstanding the eloquence and sophistication with which the false equivalence of Eritrean and Ethiopian civilian war damages is presented here, it remains an intellectual dishonesty.

    • Nitricc

      it is and remains an intellectual dishonesty.

      Hey Hashela; i might add dishonesty to the highest order. What I don’t get is that it is perfectly fine to oppose the leadership but why implicate the best interest of the people and the country? Most people in here are blinded by hate. Sad.

    • Paulos

      Selam Hashela,

      Sal to his credit gave us the relevant numbers and figures. Are you saying that Sal is intellectually dishonest?

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Hashela,

      What is the purpose of including the liberation era (1961 to 1991) while we are debating on the border war (1998-2000)?

      • Nitricc

        What is the purpose of including the liberation era (1961 to 1991)

        Hay Amanuel; I let Hashela respond to you but it is obvious. That is the very root cause many people like yourself to be in the opposite of what is good for the nation. I believe that is the reason you support TPLF to no end while hating EPLF.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Nitric,

          I was not in the opposite to the cause of our struggle. I was in to it since my school age. Just to make you aware of.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Emma,
            Please allow me to write this:

            ውዒልካ ዶ ኣብ ውግእ ናይ መረብ?
            ‘ዛኹላ ኣጋር ክትረባረብ
            ኣይውዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ግንባር ዛላንበሳ?
            ጸላኢና ርኣዮ ዝወደቐ ሬሳ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ውግእ ዓዲ ያዕቆብ?
            ክንደይ ውልዶ ኢድ-ብኢድ ክትራባረብ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ውግእ ዓዲ ሓውሻ?
            ስብን ሓጺንን ብሓደ ክሕመሸሻ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ኣብ ውግእ ሕድሕድ?
            ደቂ ሓደ ማህጸን ክረግፉ ኣብ ሓደ ረፋድ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ኣብ ውግእ ባረንቱ?
            ብጾተይ ንጸላኢ ኣትሪሮም ክምክቱ
            ደቂ ጋንታይ ክጉተቱ
            ኣይነበርኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ኣብ ጹዕጹዕ ኩነታት ኣልጌን?
            ግዜ በጠበጥ ከም ተመን
            ብሓመድ ክንጋግዮም መን ጸላኢ ብጻይናኸ መን
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካዶ ግንባር ናደው
            ጸላኢ ተዓኒዱ ክብል ደው
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            ውዒልካ ዶ ግንባር ደቀምሓረ?
            ክንደይ ዕሸል ኣለኹ ‘ናበለ ዝሓረረ
            ብናይ ንቡር ሂወት ከይተሞከረ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            እሞ
            ወዒልካ ‘ዶ ደኣ ኣብ ግንባር ባድመ?
            በጺሑኒ ኔሩ ትዕድመ

            ኣነ ግን ኣይወዓልኩን
            ካብ ስራሕ ከብኩር ኣይከኣልኩን

            ዓሽ-ዓሽ ይብል ኔረ ኣብ ወጻኢ
            ሓገዝ ሃቡ ይብል ኔረ መውጽኢ
            ኣነ’ ኳ ‘የ ዓስከር ናይ ገዛኢ

            ከመይ ‘ልካ ውዒልካ ‘ዶ ትብለኒ?
            ትእዛዝ ስለ ዘይመጸኒ
            ኣይወዓልኩን

            እሞ ንስኻሲ ዘየፍረኻ ሓንቲ
            ——ኣነ ክስበር
            ——ክንዲ ሃገር
            ንስኻ ተሓቢእካ ኣብ ምዕቡል በዓቲ
            ኣን ብጽምኢ ተላሒገ ንስኻ ጽሟቕ ክትሰቲ
            ተመሊስካ ሃገራዊ ኣይኮንካን ክትብለነ ሕጂ
            ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ ተኸልኩምናልና ‘ባ ፈንጂ
            በርኔንተ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ማሃንድሳይ,

            እቲ ታሪኽ ተሪኽካዮ:: ይበል እንታይ ክዎጾ:: ኒትሪክ ግን ዝርድኦ’ኳ አይመስለንን:: You are a gifted, brother::

          • Nitricc

            Hey Amauel; I know you were but I have the feeling you have a deep grudge against EPLF, so deep you went out of your way to become number one supporter of TPLF thugs, the same thugs who killed your people and bleed your country. please!

    • Samuel

      Selam Hashela,
      With all due respect, the 1961– 1991 war was a war of necessity, there was no other option because the struggle was for independence. The Ethiopian leaders were dictators, thus you can’t declare independence without war. Technically the war can’t be outside Eritrea, for that matter there was similar damage in Tigray and other parts of Ethiopia. The 1998 war was a war of Choice (it wasn’t Eritrea war, it was IA/MZ ego war), there was other options not to go to war. We all have to be honest, you are the one who is trying to create false equivalence.

      Thanks,

      • Hashela

        Selam Samuel

        I think you are conflating several issues.

        My main point is the damage and atrocities that civilians experienced.

        Independent of the motivation and driving forces for the wars, the wars happened in Eritrean territories. As a consequence, Eritrean civilians paid disproportionately high price, not Ethiopian civilians. So my issue the false equivalence of the damages experienced by Eritrean and Ethiopian civilians.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All: EP Eritrean Press has posted an article titled ‘FAKE NEWS FROM THE DESPERATE WOYANE’ ‘Dedebits are spreading fake news in Mekelle to rally disgruntled Tigrayans to their camps using deliberate disinformation with an old image that Eritrea’s president today observed its air force’s readiness for war against their regional state in support of Ethiopians’.

  • Nitricc

    “Anything less is a catastrophe! Yes, Ethiopia is currently on another form of colonization. We have a US chosen premiere for first time in our history and we have ideologies that suit them. Those who single handedly void US intervention on internal affairs, TPLF and
    allies, are cornered albeit wrongly. No one should doubt the political wisdom TPLF has accumulated for years bar its power aggregation behavior in its own people and beyond.
    Trump calling over the dam. Gedu making Whitehouse his home are never a coincidence. They are to create a ‘liberal Ethiopia’ in the name of America. Go and sign the “second Wuchale”, the GERD was dead and busted the time engineer Simegnew was found dead in Meskel square. But what now for us the ordinary people? Yes, with prayers of our elderly we have seen people opening their mind, writing about “The Hijacked Revolution” albeit it was nonexistent, in disdain over shapeless western intervention, and many other saying “eat your liberalism” we are a nationalist ትግራዋይ, ኦሮሞ ,አማራ etc highlighting modern
    Ethiopia won’t be crafted in the image of Unitarians. With election fast approaching, security and freedom of movement are becoming a rarity, the first time in my age. We have a western electoral board and there’s a growing public mistrust over ብልፅግና party and the government led by it.
    Are we a new Congo in the make? Ask the victims of internal displacement, remains
    of ethnic clashes and concerned Ethiopians. It’s evident Abiy is facing a mounting domestic pressure with his army in disjoint to execute his power, will he succeed calling a western army come a testing time? Or will Trump make up his mind and make the Eisenhower decision? Time will tell. The US created mess in Congo for alleged fear of another communist Cuba under the tutelage of Lumumba and now they have elected a leader for us to abate the upper hand taken over them by the growing influence of China. Now, we are in the most of unstable scenarios; our girls end up kidnapped; ethnic tensions are peaking and Abiy who came in the name of “liberal Ethiopia” is turning to be a dictator of his own. This has been an Achilles for me, I am living shuddering the painfully slow, frustrating and erroneously costing job that lies ahead. God save us from becoming the new Congo””
    I say god save you from becoming the new Rwanda. From the way I see it and the way your prime behaves and the way the TPLF thugs act, I don’t know. My problem is PIA is implicating Eritrea on this dangerous mess.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam Amanuel Hidrat. A non-political question for you. Do you know much about the history of I.F.A. (Instituto Farmacoterapico Africana)? I’ve been told that they had an office in Asmara and one in Massawa and were involved with pharmaceutical production and exported shark liver oil and other fisheries by-products.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Mokie,

      If I know it what do you want to say? And if I don’t what do you want to tell me?

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Amanuel Hidrat. I was just curious. I was told that the company started back in the 1930s and was surprised that it was that old. I find it interesting the wide array of industries that once existed in Eritrea.

        • Paulos

          Mokie,

          Prior to the companies you mentioned, there was a city–Asmara. Here is a preview of sorts before I comment [this weekend, God willing that is] on the then sprouting business centers in Eritrea particularly in Asmara.

          Asmara was a tiny village around a church when Ras Alula chose it as his seat in 1877. After Italy made it the colony’s capital, it grew rapidly and had a population nearing 9000 by 1905. It was laid out as a compact Italian town, in contrast to the vast sprawl of Addis Ababa, but did not reach 20,000 until the early 1930s.

          The 1931 census counted 15,732 “natives” and 3,057 Europeans in Asmara. After 1932, as Mussolini began preparing for the invasion of Ethiopia, more than 50,000 Italian laborers were brought to Eritrea. By 1939 Asmara had over 100,000 people, more than half of whom were Italians. I hope that gives you an idea how the companies you mentioned came about early on when the rest of Africa safe South Africa and Egypt were lagging way behind.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I was talking with my relative who is a bit older than me Yesterday about the evolvement of Asmara city. He told me that the urbanization of Asmara started with the making of Alula his headquarter and subsequently with the colonization of Eritrea in early 19th century. With the exception of the different statistical population growth at different time that you brought up in your comment, he told me exactly the same story. What a coincidence!

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Yea what a coincidence! It is sad that ShaEbia whitewashes any history that has to do with the Ethiopian leaders for it debunks their fascist narrative. That is probably the reason they hardly talk about the history of Asmara.

            And we can not navigate the future with clarity if we remain untrue to our past. And remember, most of the settlers in Asmara particularly when Italy recruited and trained into the army close to 60,000 Eritreans in a bid to pacify Libya and Somalia, there was a clear shortage of man-power and it was filled by the newly arrived Tigreans in search of jobs and most of them never went back and permanently settled in Asmara. And that is precisely the reason, most of Asmarinos trace their “origin” to Tigrai.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P;Really? because one old person who happens to tell Amanuel a story and the sory is now it is in the history books. I know where you getting at, Agazian. No, it won’t happen.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            Here is what a top official told me I never forget. He said, in the late 80s, Isaias and top TPLF leaders were having a casual chat and Isaias said to them, ኣየ ባዓል ማለሊት ዓወት ዝርከብ ብዘረባ እዩ መሲሉክን፣ ዓወት ዝርከብ ብደም ብኣና ብደቂ’ቲ ጅግና ራእሲ ኣሉላ ኣባነጋ እዩ!

            If you don’t understand Tigrinya, I am sure Tedros Alem will translate it for you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I will not be surprised if he had said it. First he is from the same blood. Second he is so arrogant (ብዱዕ) and we are used with his arrogance. ዘተሓሳስብ’ዩ ክሳዕ ክንደይ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኒዒቅዎ ከምዘሎ ጥራይ’ዩ ዝሕብር:: Damn!

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A Hidrat,

            He probably said it rhetorically not literally but it has significance in light of the new revelation about his background. The irony is that, as you know, Ras Alula died of a gunshot wound to his legs he sustained in an intense battle after he killed Dej. Hagos who was a brother of Emperor Yohannes IV. And Dej. Hagos happened to be the great-grandfather of Isaias. He gave accolade to the man who killed his blood-line.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            How about if he sees it this way: because of Alula, his grand father migrated to Eritrea and now he owns the country and its people? That deserves at least a shout out to Alula.

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            This is what he said about the country he owns: ባጽዕ ሉል ናይ ቀይሕ ባሕሪ ትባሃል ኔራ፣ ሎሚ ኣበይ’ኣላ? የላን! ዓሰብ ኣበይ’ኣላ? የላን! *ጽርግያታትና ማዓልታቱ ኣብቂዑ’እዩ.

            Then he goes, እንተ’ዳኣ እቲ index for standard of living ርኢናዮ፣ እቲ ጸብጻብ እመበር’ዶ ናይ ብሓቂ ኣብዚ ዓዲ ኔርና ኢና ዘብል’ዩ! In fact, what is even remarkable is that, if you ask his useless supporters as in Amare and Abay among others on how Eritrea is doing, they would say, እንታይ’ኢልካዮ ኢኻ ዓዲ ትሕምበብን ትውንጨፍን’ያ ዘላ! That is how bizarre it is ናይንዳ ህግደፍ ነገር!

            *He said about the roads in his previous interview.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            That Abay guy has a PhD in stat, they told me, and I can’t believe he still defend this cruel creature.
            I am sure he knows Eritrea is ruining by the day but I am not sure what kind of optics he wears.
            Definitely he has lost his shame-O-meter, not sure what organ in our body that is 🙂

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            The guy in fact makes a living in Math. And as you know, Mathematics is about logic. But obviously, the guy for a reason only known to him lives in an illogical world when he bends backward to serve an evil and cruel man who is also incarcerating the faithful who belong to the church that gave the Abay guy all the education he needed to the extent of achieving the highest academic award or degree–The Adventist Church.

            “Let No One Ignorant Of Geometry Enter Here” says, Plato’s Academy but the Abay guy says he can.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Very funny, Dottere!
            Sad but funny 🙂

          • bardavidi

            Hi…….It also has Historical significance………There were also so said so Scripts of conversation between Zenawi and Isaias in their Hay days of Comradory as to who is directly related to the Great Prince and always Isaias had the Edge…………Selah

          • bardavidi

            Hi……..are we talking about Ras-Allula……..The Great grand father of Afewerki……Tembein……….Next time we have a Self-Declared President we better Require some DNA tests prior to Inauguration………???………..Selah

          • mokie berhe

            Salam bardavidi. Surprised that you too are engaging in this ridiculous Agazian genre discussion. I assume that you are familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, particularly article 15?

          • bardavidi

            Hi…..Mokie……..Before the existence of such a Declaration ………There was one Right………The right of Eritreans to converse and Debate in any Subject they deem appropriate in a Civilized manner……..A national and Uniquely Eritrean right that supercedes all other Human Rights that are Imposed by other Strangers………..That is what I am Excerscising as my Democratic Right……….You are very welcome to join as well………..I believe we are all Agazians/Sabians, unless we claim something else that Includes us with Nigerians ………….Selah

          • mokie berhe

            Salam bardavidi. Of course, should you wish to exhume 3,000-year-old corpses and lesser ones from Mennewe to support your Agazian pursuit, have at it. On the side-lines, I am sure the Kunama will curiously watch.

          • bardavidi

            Hi……..Mokie……….Exuming corpses is not necessary anymore since we carry the DNA ourselves………We will be the Living and Breathing version of our Beloved ancestors………..Kunama has its own Lovely Heritage as well But, we uphold ours does not mean downgrading theirs.It takes two hands to Clap and not one……….Its just too special to be a Sabian and that is all ………..Selah

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mokie,

          I have no clue about it. But I am sure now that we can establish Eritrean pharmaceutical company that could produce Omega-3 from fish oil. We have the know how on the subject.

  • Samuel

    Selam Mokie berhe,
    You seem to be focusing on TPLF instead of IA. Border issues will remain forever regardless of who is in power (TPLF or IA). Every nation (poor or developed) has border issue with their neighbor (Mexico with US, US with Canada, Ethiopia with Sudan, etc) , nothing is different between Ethiopia and Eritrea. The question should be what is the priority for Eritreans? Is it getting rid of IA or Badme demarcation? Even if Badme border is demarcated other issues will be surfaced because that is the only way IA can stay in power. Do you remember when IA said border demarcation isn’t an issue anymore, but now when things are get tighter he seems to focus on that? Thus, you have to prioritize what is best at the moment for Eritrea and Eritrean people.
    I guarantee you TPLF will be willing to respect the Algiers agreement as soon as IA is removed from power. More than anything, I say this profoundly truthful, what’s important for Tigray is to have peaceful relationship with Eritrea, that starts with accepting the Algiers agreement. However it won’t happen as long as IA is in power.

    Thanks,

    • Nitricc

      Hey Samuel; I don’t know if this a Tigryan thing but the easiest and the fastest things you people could do is; ask forgiveness for destroying 90K Eritrean lives and get out from the land that legally belonged to Eritrea. This is the easiest and simplest thing you should. Things are not on your side and it is very important your leaders paly out the issues. The safest thing to do right now is closed the issue with Eritrea. I have told this to your leaders many years ago but you don’t have leaders who can think. The government of Ethiopia is fed-up and frustrated by Tigryans and listening to PIA interview; they might be cooking something for you. My advice; solve your problem with Eritrea. Take Eritrea out of the equation.

      • Samuel

        Selam Nitricc,
        Things are not on your side and it is very important your leaders paly out the issues. ”.
        Good luck with that mantra, we will see in few months. PMAA is done within six to eight months. If IA isn’t removed or handover power in that period he will start hibernating again. He was hibernating for 20 years, some miracle happened in 2018 to wake him up, that hibernation will continue in few months. I feel bad that the Eritrean people are suffering from this mentally ill individual. You are one of the enablers of that mentally ill individual to stay in power. If the Eritrean people were your priority you would have been on the side of history. There is no doubt that there is light at the end of the tunnel, I can see the days that Eritrea and Eritreans without IA isn’t that far but the consequences will remain with us.

        Thanks,

        • Nitricc

          the easiest and the fastest things you people could do is; ask forgiveness for destroying 90K Eritrean lives and get out from the land that legally belonged to Eritrea.

          Hi Samuel; Would please answer the above inquiry.

          • Samuel

            Selam Nitricc,
            What do you want me to say about the sad part of history, the wound is in both of us. Scratching one side of wound isn’t going to make the relations better. It happened because of two leaders who want to show-off their respective strength (political and military). The only way to heal is to not repeat again and strengthen people to people relations. The lessons of history isn’t to dwell in it but learn from it. I have no single pride to what happened 1998/2000 war, I have lost family members.

            Thanks,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Samuel; if you have the power; how do you solve it? what will you do?

    • Hashela

      Selam Samuel

      If TPLF is interested in a peaceful and mutually beneficial coexistence with Eritrea and willing to accept the decision of the boundary commission without IF and BUT, why is then TPLF expanding new settlements deep into Eritrean territories. Every organization that can purchase high resolution satellite images, can see what has been and is going in Badme and its environs. The settlement activity that TPLF is orchestrating and accelerating has nothing to do their aversion to IA.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Hashela; once more what the TPLF thugs failed to consider is that sooner or latter; Badime will be Eritrea and when that day comes, what TPLF thugs doing now, settling more people in Badime will cause more people to be displaced and misery. They have done this in Welkayt and Humera and there is anther tinting bomb. At least Eritrea’s case, it is concluded legally, so it is the matter of time.

      • Samuel

        Selam Hashela,
        To be honest with you since the Ethio-Eritrea rapprochement in 2018 this is the first time I have heard about new settlement in Badme, I am not going to speculate anything without proof from trusted sources. Have you confirmed yourself if that was/is true? I am not going to rely on satellite imagery for such sensitive matter.
        There are people who live close to the area, so it’s easy to confirm before we conclude anything. Any allegations can be claimed from both sides but since the situation is sensitive we have to be careful about any rumor. If this was true considering the sensitivity of the issue international media or UN could have write about it. I remember there was reports from UN in 2004, I haven’t heard anything this time. Can you share your sources?

        Thanks,

      • Haile S.

        Selam Hashela,

        TPLF has never been interested in bringing real peace between the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia (tigray). Their constant campaign to divide Eritrea along ethnic lines by baptizing and rebaptizing highlander Eritreans as tegaru and what have you is a testimony to that. Recemtly. They celebrated Dogali war with their Eritrean surrogates in a clear manifestation of their ulterior motives. Every news they bring, every history they tell, every event they bring to the surface or celebrate is to undermine Eritrea and Eritreans.
        The sad part is that, the regime in Eritrea is a de facto accomplice of their act by weakening Eritreans from inside, by depriving them in living in their country of their endeavor, and by undermining its citizens. The regime weakened itself by giving priority to TPLF so that they get installed in peace in Addis in the early 90s, now it is giving priority to PMAA’s installation, without giving a hoot to the installation of Eritreans in their country in peace and freedom. The same thing with the Eritrean opposition leaderships. Insyead of addressing the Eritrean public, they have been addressing TPLF and Ethiopians until few years back. Now, we don’t hear about them.

        • Hashela

          Selam Haile

          yes, IA was and is instrumental in systematically weakening Eritrea and, in doing so, he made Eritrea an easy prey for TPLF and AmHara elites

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos & Dr Hashela,

        Dr Paulos: You can’t defend the behavior of soldiers in a war. Their commanders can not control the “discipline of a war” in the middle of the wars. Soldiers could act in an abhorrent and detestable behaviors in wars. Just remember the so called modern army of the US as to what they did in “Abu Ghraib prison” in the Iraq war. Therefore, leave it until we know the truth in the foreseeable future.

        Dr Hashela: Since we have a government that lives and thrives on lies (b) a government that lives and thrives on fabricating conspiracy, you should not take the report of the government as a ”whole truth” until we establish ”an investigative body” in the foreseeable future.

        Myself, I believe both scenarios are possible, and therefore, I left it until we get unbiased report from an independent investigative body, after the demise of our despot.

        Regards

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          I absolutely agree. Rape is a serious allegation including desecrating holy places which I really doubt if the soldiers carried out that kind of horrendous crimes given the conservative nature of our collective culture.

          I suspect it could as well be part of the smear campaign perpetrated by the regime in Eritrea. That said however, I am not in anyway ruling out its veracity. But as you said, we need to see a report by an independent body that can attest to that effect.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ፡

            “the conservative nature of our collective culture” ዶ ኢልካ? ብዋዛ-ቁምነገር ክምልሰልካ። ቀደም ተኣኻኺብና ከመዕልል ከለና ሓደ ጎረቤትና እንታይ ይብሉ ይመስለካ ፡- ግራዝማች ገብረ ነደይ ጸዳል ተወሽሞመን። ትቕብል ኣቢሉ ሓደ ዓርከይ፡ ንሶም ድኣ ጭዋ ዶ’ይኮኑን ይብል። ካልእ ዓርከይ ከምዚ ኸማይ፡- ጭዋ ክይኖም ተወሺሞም እምበር፡ ባርያ እንየዝኾኑ ድኣ መን ከቕርቦም! በለ ይብሃል።

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            I knew you were going to say something but I didn’t think it was going to be funny. Thanks for the laugh.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat & Dr Paulos,

            Wether they came from a conservative society or not, the behavior of an army in a war is the same. They do un imaginable abhorrent things in the middle of wars.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            Totally agree with you. A soldier with a gun in a time of war is an animal. Maybe a little relative kindness but overall it’s brutal.

            The rape etc is not totally true but overly exaggerated. Sal explained the verdict of the EEBC brilliantly. We have said that repeatedly but the hate propaganda was (is) so relentless not many look at it critically. But on this issue neither of the warring parties can claim to have been an angel.

        • saay7

          Selamat Emma and Paulos:

          I believe as citizens we have minimum obligations and one of them is to be informed about things done to us or on our behalf. * The Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission (EECC) allowed both governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia to present their arguments on what we Eritreans did to Ethiopians and what Ethiopians did to Eritreans. And the EECC ruled that both sides did terrible things. Neither side apologized, neither side paid fines (damages) and each side now selectively talks about what the other did**

          saay

          * the Algiers Agreement said there would be an OAU-led investigation into the origins of the conflict. Isaias is too guilt to insist on it and Abiy is too Prosperity-Gospely to look into the past so we the People will be cheated out of that.

          * * this is one of the things that used to drive me crazy about Scary Smart Hayat, wherever she is.

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Please stay. This Forum needs you. Hayat is not here probably because you are not here. I get it, sometimes you can get bored for the issue could be ምንያ-ኾለል ከም ኣውቶቡስ ቁጽሪ 2 ካብ ኣኽርያ ንጎዳይፍ but of course we are all different in our own unique way including the way we see Eritrean or Ethiopian politics and life in general.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Just want to say hi and I see how home suck you are. A little correction. Akria – godayif was quSri arbaete. May tenenay gezaabda was quSri kilte. Arya Porto was quSri Hade and it’s that one called Minya kollel. Because it had some fans at the top (it was the newer model) and the fun can see spinning (thus I think the reference) for kolel.

            I am home sick as well, we all are.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            You’re probably right. I remember the Akria route and the driver of the bus was a good friend of my father’s. And every time I got on the bus he would say, ወዲ-ሓወይ ኣቦኻ ነዚ ትምህርቲ ትሓያይኾ ኣለኻ ኢሉኒ። A huge chubby man with a big heart. He would let me ride for free. Age of innocence!

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            Yeah, I am here. Yes, I get frustrated when people debate facts instead of opinions. For example, these are the facts (not opinions) as adjudicated by the Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission (EECC) not EEBC (Eritrea Ethiopia Boundary Commission.) It is something that should humble Eritreans and Ethiopians who brag about our civilized culture and other halewlew. Worst of all, I get furious when our people selectively choose the crimes of the other. It doesn’t surprise me when politicians do it, as El Bruto Isaias did in his interview with EriTV. But those of us who claim to be educated and are literate have the responsibility of sharing the truth, regardless of how it impacts whatever biases we have:

            ETHIOPIA AWARD



            The Commission awards Ethiopia the following compensation for Eritrea’s violations of the jus in bello:

            

1. US$11,000,000 for death, physical injury, disappearance, forced labor and conscription of Ethiopian civilians; 



            2. US$2,000,000 for failing to prevent rape of known and unknown victims in Irob, Dalul and Elidar Weredas; 



            3. US$13,900,000 for looting, and destruction of and damage to houses; 



            4. US$20,195,000 for damage, destruction and looting in Zalambessa;

            

5. US$2,500,000 for death, injury and property damage in Mekele;

            

6. US$315,000 for looting of and damage to government buildings and infrastructure; 



            7. US$4,500,000 for looting, destruction and damage to religious institutions; 



            8. US$3,216,000 for seizure and looting of the Saba Dimensional Stones Share Company; 



            9. US$7,500,000 for mistreatment of Ethiopian prisoners of war; 



            10. US$2,000,000 for failure to protect Ethiopian civilians in Eritrea from threats and violence; 



            11. US$1,500,000 for failure to ensure Ethiopian civilians in Eritrea access to employment; 



            12. US$50,000 for failure to ensure that Ethiopian civilians in Eritrea were able to receive medical care to the same extent as Eritrean nationals; 



            13. US$2,000,000 for wrongful detention and abusive treatment of 769 Ethiopian civilians in Eritrean custody;

            

14. US$1,500,000 for harsh treatment of Ethiopian civilians at the Hawshaite detention camp; 



            15. US$10,000,000 for detaining significant numbers of Ethiopian civilians under harsh conditions during and after May 2000; 



            16. US$500,000 for deaths and injuries suffered by detainees at Wi’a Camp; 



            17. US$2,000,000 for failure to protect the property of Ethiopian detainees expelled from Eritrea; 



            18. US$1,000,000 for failure to protect the property of other departing Ethiopians; and

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9. US$1,100,000 for failing to ensure the safe and humane repatriation of departing Ethiopians in transports that were not conducted or supervised by the ICRC. 



            B.  The Commission awards Ethiopia the following compensation for Eritrea’s violations of the jus ad bellum:

            

1. US$45,000,000 for human suffering and lost income associated with internal displacement of persons; 



            2. US$8,500,000 for Ethiopian civilian deaths and injuries; 



            3. US$6,000,000 for damage to civilian property, primarily from shelling; 



            4. US$3,500,000 for damage to public buildings and infrastructure; 



            5. US$2,500,000 for looting, destruction and damage to religious institutions; 



            6. US$5,605,000 for destruction in Zalambessa;

            

7. US$1,500,000 for deaths and injuries caused by landmines; 



            8. US$250,000 for destruction of Disaster Prevention and Preparedness Bureau facilities in Adigrat; 



            9. US$162,500 for damage to other government facilities on the Central Front; 



            10. US$75,000 for other government losses on the Central Front; 



            11. US$125,000 for looting of property from the Relief Society of Tigray; 



            12. US$150,000 for damage in Adi Goshu; 



            13. US$625,000 for shelling damage in Sheraro; 



            14. US$65,000 for damage caused by the attack on the Mekele airport; 



            15. US$4,000,000 for profits lost by Ethiopian Airlines; 



            16. US$1,703,020 for failing to provide Ethiopian Airlines access to its bank accounts at the Bank of Eritrea; and

            

17. US$7,500,000 for reconstruction and assistance to internally displaced persons.



            C.  As determined at the liability phase, the Commission considers its finding that Eritrea violated the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations by arresting and detaining the Ethiopian Chargé d’Affaires and by violating official Ethiopian diplomatic correspondence and interfering with the functioning of the Ethiopian diplomatic mission to be appropriate reparation.

            D.  All of Ethiopia’s other claims are dismissed.

            E.  In addition to the award of satisfaction to Ethiopia for all of the Commission’s liability findings, the total monetary compensation awarded to Ethiopia in respect of its claims is US$174,036,520.

            ERITREA AWARD

            The Commission awards Eritrea the following compensation for Ethiopia’s violations of the jus in bello: 



            1. US$13,500,000 for losses of residential and business property on the Central and Western Frontsin Serha, Senafe, Teseney, Alighidir, Guluj, Tabaldia, Gergef, Omhajer, Barentu and Tokombia, and Molki Sub-Zoba;

            

2. US$35,965,000 for damage to and destruction of buildings on the Central and Western Fronts in Serha, Senafe, Teseney, Alighidir, Guluj, Tabaldia, Gergef, Omhajer, Barentu and Tokombia, and Molki Sub-Zoba;

            

3. US$1,500,000 in respect of injuries to civilians due to loss of access to health care on account of damage to or destruction of Eritrean hospitals and other medical facilities and loss of medical supplies; 



            4. US$100,000 for damage to cultural property, specifically US$50,000 for damage to the Stela of Matara and US$50,000 for damage to the Tserona Patriots Cemetery; 



            5. US$4,000,000 for mistreatment of prisoners of war;

            

6. US$2,000,000 for failing to prevent the rape of known and unknown victims in the towns of Senafe, Barentu and Teseney; 



            7. US$1,550,000 for forcible expulsion of the population of Awgaro; 



            8. US$50,000 in respect of the unknown, but apparently small, number of dual Eritrean-Ethiopian nationals who were arbitrarily deprived of their Ethiopian nationality while present in third countries; 



            9. US$15,000,000 in respect of the wrongful expulsion of an unknown, but considerable, number of dual nationals by local Ethiopian authorities; 



            10. US$11,000,000 for receiving, caring for and resettling rural Ethiopian nationals wrongfully expelled from Ethiopia;

            

11. US$2,000,000 for failure to provide humane and safe treatment for persons being expelled from Ethiopia; 



            12. US$46,000,000 for expellees’ losses of property on account of Ethiopia’s wrongful actions; 



            13. US$24,525,000 for Ethiopia’s failure to return or provide compensation after the war for vehicles it requisitioned from non-resident Eritreans; 



            14. US$1,500,000 for other property losses of non-resident Eritreans; 



            15. US$2,600,000 for imprisoning Eritrean civilians on security charges or detaining them for unknown reasons, under harsh and unacceptable conditions; and 



            16. US$155,000 for violation of Eritrea’s diplomatic premises and property;

            

17. As determined at the liability phase, the Commission considers its finding that Ethiopia unlawfully deprived dual Eritrean-Ethiopian nationals of their Ethiopian nationality to be appropriate reparation for the violation. 



            18. As determined at the liability phase, the Commission considers its finding that Ethiopia unlawfully interfered with Eritrea’s departing diplomats to be appropriate reparation for the violation. 



            19. All of Eritrea’s other claims on its own behalf are dismissed. 



            20. For claims filed by Eritrea on behalf of named individuals, the Commission awards the following amounts:

            

a. US$319,615 for Hiwot Nemariam and Belay Redda, for failure to provide humane and safe treatment in transport from Ethiopia, lack of access to bank accounts, and unlawful deprivation of property;



            b. US$1,500,000 for Sertzu Gebre Meskel, for unlawful deprivation of property; 



            c. US$21,250 for Mebrahtu Gebremedhin, for lack of access to bank accounts and unlawful deprivation of property; and 



            d. US$225,000 for Mebrat Gebreamlak, for lack of access to bank accounts and unlawful deprivation of property.

            e. The claim of Fekadu Andremeskal is dismissed. 



            21. In addition to the award of satisfaction to Eritrea for all of the Commission’s liability findings, the total monetary compensation awarded to Eritrea in respect of its own claims is US$161,455,000. The amount awarded in respect of claims presented on behalf of individual claimants is US$2,065,865.

            saay

          • mokie berhe

            Salam saay 7. Not to say that wrongdoings were not committed on both sides, but what you are conveniently not mentioning is that if the claims commission would have rightfully paid respect to the EEBC delimitation decision, its findings would have significantly favored Eritrea (perhaps 90%>10% in Eritrea’s favor). The fact is that the Claims Commission in the ius ad bellum case paid very little respect to the delimitation decision of the EEBC, making two brief references to its award, and one of those references was to dismiss the significance of this boundary and to give greater weight to the line to which forces were obligated to withdraw in 2000 under the June ceasefire Agreement. If the Claims Commission had given proper respect to the EEBC delimitation decision, it would surely have concluded that following the EEBC’s delimitation decision, that the disputed territory of Badme belonged to Eritrea and that therefore, Ethiopia’s prior acts of administration were illegal and that it had no right to maintain police, militia or troops in Eritrea or to use force to perpetuate its illegal occupation or to seize further Eritrean territory and that Eritrea therefore could clearly not be held liable for forcible actions against Ethiopian forces committed on its own territory. Ethiopia’s claim that Eritrea initiated the conflict by its actions in Badme should have been dismissed.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            ነዚ ሰብኣይ ብኽንደይ ልመና ናብዚ ፎረም ኣምጺእናዮስ ጋና ንእግሩ ማይ ከይሃብናዮስ ከተህድሞ ደሊኻ?

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Paulos. I am afraid do not have ghostly powers to scare people away. By the way I did not know that the KFC that your friend owns in Addis is a clone…not the real deal.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mokie,

            I preferred to answer you on this comment to things you have been saying, in general. With the rate IA’s regime is depopulating Eritrea and killing its economy, with his jabbering of one hour on a simple 1800 Nakfa salary, with his joke on Samsonite-carrying educated Eritrean, with his ነበረ ያ ነበረ rumbles of industries you yourself aluded to this morning, TPLF and its Alulawian have a chance of realizing their dream to open KFCs everywhere by starting on the hill of their Ras in downtown Asmara.

          • saay7

            Mokie:

            You may have a point. Or you may not. Plenty of the claims that both sides made were dismissed. What I shared is what judges, agreed to both parties, found. And my purpose is not to re-litigate the issue. My purpose for writing was to familiarize the ruling with those who didn’t know and or forgot.

            Saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            As reporters like to fancy, we are catching up with you in your busy schedule…..Isaias seems to revisit the ghosts of Badme. What do you think is going to be his next move? What is he up to? And do you think Abiy is in line with the former Isaias’ friends he had a falling out later on?

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Facts matter and you presented it. Thank you so much. ድንቁርና ሓጥያት’ዩ and I am profoundly sorry! I hope the ugly history will not happen again!

          • Hashela

            Thank you Saay for bringing sanity to this discussion

            Paulos: These are the documents that I had in mind when I said to you they are publicly available.

            And let’s remember that not all rapes were reported due to our culture of victim shaming

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay (Aya Adi-U),

            Your argument is always data driven arguments. No one can match you when you argue on datas. You are also right, that Governments argue on “selective talks” to keep away their subjects from the complete truth. However, I still believe that there is no “exhausted report” on the conduct of the army of both sides. The compensation data is determined based on the report of the two government to the EEBC.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            The claims commission ruling is based on claims for damages made by the government and individual citizens. Perhaps you should refresh your memory and the read the entire report because both parties made comprehensive claims against each other, including damages incurred on civilians. The Commission was impartial and independent. The parties won on some and lost on some. What’s left for us the citizens is to respect it. Every time we disrespect it or ignore it or treat it as incomplete is a victory for the governments to escape accountability.

            saay

            There is

    • Paulos

      Selam Samy,

      If Isaias is making a strategic alliance with Abiy at the expense of Eritrea and Eritreans to destroy TPLF, don’t you think it is logical for us Eritreans to make a strategic alliance with TPLF in our concerted struggle to defeat Isaias?

      Isaias clearly understands this kind of logic but he is lucky enough to have confused folks who fall for his trap as he set the rules of the game and he keeps beating them at his own game.

      He started the Badme war and he is way over Badme but it has become a talking point for folks who still think that if TPLF pulls out of Badme, Isaias will be reined in. Fools Gold as they say!

      By now, we should have been talking on how we can work with TPLF as they are the sole guardians of our refugees in Tigrai where their future is shaky as Isaias tries to disperse them all over Ethiopia for fear of them being trained and organized and come after him. Imagine, if they do, these folks will side with Isaias for they will have been trained and organized by TPLF. That is how incredibly lucky Isaias is! The man who was born with a political silver-spoon in his mouth!

      • Nitricc

        don’t you think it is logical for us Eritreans to make a strategic alliance with TPLF in our concerted struggle to defeat Isaias?

        Hey P; I didn’t know you do comedy. Lol TPLF couldn’t bring down Eritrea and PIA with Amara, Oromo, Tigray and the rest of the Ethiopia on its side. Now, TPLF is on its final stage for showdown with the federal government.
        There is one thing the way out for TPLF; solve Eritrean problem, meaning get the hell out of Eritrea’s land. That is all, or else, you will be a nice sandwich. The other day there was a military show in Mekelle and the soldiers were heard saying.

        ትእዛዝ
        ዶ/ር ደብረጨን ኢና ንጠባበቕ ዝኒኤና ላይ ኦሮሞና ኣምሐራ የትም ኣይበጽሑይ ክንእልሾም ኢና ትትኣለሽ እኖኦም ኣዮኹም ናይና!!!

        • Paulos

          Nitrikay,

          As you know, in order to have a better understanding of something of interest, you go back and understand its past or history.

          These people have always been underestimated by their enemies throughout their history and they cleverly made use of it. For instance, E.D.U in the mid 70s including E.P.R.P and in the later years Dergue didn’t think much of them. The same mind-set when Isaias started the Badme war and they had the last laugh. And do you know what smart people do? They avoid making the same mistake and learn from history! If I were you or Abiy, I would definitely do that.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P; I disagree!

            Isaias started the Badme war and they had the last laugh

            PIA had the last laugh. He is having fun in 4-killo while TPLF thugs are in Mekelle in hotels

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay, Nitrikay, Nitrikay! What can I say! Sure thing ma lil bro!

          • Nitricc

            Hey P; when PMAA kicked Fetlework from the ministry position; PMAA said not because she is Tigryan but she wasn’t sufficient for the position And she said, not that I have a weakness for the job but I was kicked out because I am Tigryan. I didn’t know who to believe but today I found the answer. She was right PMAA lied.

            አንዳንድ ሰዎች ብልጽግና ለምን ተፈጠረ? የማን ነው? ብለው ይጠይቁናል። ብልጽግና የኦሮሞ ነው፤ ብልጽግና፣ ብልጽግና የኦሮሞን ጠላቶች ከስልጣን፣ ከቤተመንግስት ለማባረር የተፈጠረ ነው። ብልጽግና ጠላቶቻችን ከዚህ በኋላ ከኛ ጋር ቁጭ ብለው በሀገሪቱ ላይ መወሰን እንዳይችሉ የተፈጠረ ነው። “ኦሮሞ የራሱን ድርጅት ገንብቶ ሀገር መምራት አይችልም፤ ሀገር መምራት የለበትም፤” የሚሉት ብልጽግናን ይሰድባሉ። ኦሮሞ ግን የብልጽግና አባት፣ የአዲስ ሃሳብ አእምሮ ባለቤት ስለሆነ የራሱን አያሳንስም፤ የራሱን አይገፋም፤ የራሱን አይጠላም። ይሁን እንጂ በሱ (ብልጽግና) ተጠቅሞ ባሌን ያለማል።

            ብልጽግና የኦሮሞን ጠላቶች ከስልጣን፣ ከቤተመንግስት ለማባረር የተፈጠረ ነው
            PMMA in his own speech.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            Of course he was lying. She did her Masters in Economics at London School of Economics which is one of the prestigious universities in the world and she graduated with distinction. If she was not qualified for the job not sure who is? Maybe Isaias who thinks Economics is about three things as in Production, Distribution and Consumption as per his last interview?

          • Samuel

            Selam Nitricc,
            Similar speech has been made by ADP leader (ዮሐንስ ቧያለው) when he was in DC last month. He said “PP is established to rebuild the old Amhara reign”, I am not making it up there is a video in Youtube. Thus, which one is right?

            Thanks,

      • Hashela

        Selam Paulos

        The Alliance that you are suggesting has been tried at the end of 1998-2000 war. It was rejected by the brave people of Senafe and other southern regions of Eritrea. An organization (TPLF) that organizes large-scale gang rapes, loots peoples properties, and desecrate Church and Mosques by using them as places for prostitution, destroys martyrs’ cemetery, hospitals and administration buildings has nothing to do with Eritrean interests. If you have doubts, go and ask the people of the affected regions, southern and western Eritrea. This is not an IA and Higdef’s propaganda, you know I that deeply despise IA and his PFDJ like you do.

        • Paulos

          Selam Hashela,

          You are a highly intelligent person and I wouldn’t think a person like you would make that kind of serious allegations out of thin air. Can you provide me s solid proof to that effect? Please, not “Go and ask the people who were affected.”

          • Hashela

            Selam Paulos

            You want me to provide you with information and testimonies that are publicly available? You forgot the pictures of destroyed hospitals and administration in Senafe and Barentu? You forgot the Mosque in Oma Hager that was littered with used condoms. You forgot the testimonies of Saho women. You forgot the images of destroyed Martyrs cemetery ?

            The Germans say: Liebe macht blind. Love makes you blind!

      • Samuel

        Selam Paulos,
        I do agree, I think it’s always right to be on the side the people than the dictator, one of the golden rules of TPLF was to be on the side of the people regardless of the price it may have. I think Dr Debretsion is doing that now, there were political miscalculations during MZ, they are being corrected right now. Make no mistake the two people have suffered greatly from the war, no one has benefited from it except few elites in Addis Ababa.
        If we are going to have long-lasting peace and better economic development the two sides should work together, there are no other options. There is no question that Eritrea is sovereign country but we have to work together to have better tomorrow. Looking our past, when was the last time 4Kilo has ever done good things to Eritrea or Tigray? None. If there is anyone who expects something good from 4Kilo is an illusioned individual.

        Thanks,

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          There is serious grievances put forward by Eritreans where the Tigrean leaders need to address.

          One that sticks out the most is that, the Tigrean leaders never had sincere desire to reach out to the Eritrean Opposition to the extent of having a malicious intention to divide them along regional and religious lines. Moreover, they alleged that, at the core of their policy toward Eritrea, the Tigrean leaders wanted to punish the Eritrean people by tacitly endorsing Isaias to stay in power. The rationale for the nefarious intent is a pay back time for what Eritreans had done to Tigreans when they were treated as second class citizens if not maligned when they flocked to Eritrea enmass during the Eritrean economic boom in the 30s throughout the 70s.

          Does the allegation hold any water? As I tried to point it out, the onus is on the Tigrean leaders for if it is in fact true, it could have a serious historical ramifications where Eritreans will have their say in history. If we can infer anything however, could for instance, Meles afforded to go to war to oust Isaias when he was trying to bring out his country of the abject poverty it was in—-State led developmental growth? To be more precise, could he have killed two birds with one stone as the saying goes. I personally don’t think so for war is costly in terms of human and financial as well not to mention the vagaries of political miscalculations that could have incurred. As such, for all practical purposes, the No-War-No-Peace policy, in hindsight seemed to have worked for them as the economic miracle of the nation is a dividend of the painful but viable policy.

          Now, the question is, does the grieviences warrant not to make any short term alliance with TPLF in a bid to oust Isaias? Well, new players have come into the fore where the need to get rid of Isaias is more urgent to TPLF than the Eritrean Opposition, as such, it is imperative for the Opposition to make use of them for it will be a lost opportunity before they knew it. Here and now and what works is the game of the day not the wounds of yesteryear. And that is called Pragmatism.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Paulos. You and your lot have been siding with the TPLF against Eritrea for some twenty years now we know where that has gotten you. I gotta give you credit though, you have been very successful in dividing the Eritrean opposition and creating mistrust within.

    • Nitricc

      Hi all if it is true, PIA killed him with that interview
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  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    There you have it. The ሃለው-ለው In-Chief just finished generating b*ll-sh*t [Sal, I know, you coined the word—ንሱ ኣብ ቦትኡ’ከሎ] and if you’ve been hoping against all hopes that he would be saying a thing or two about political and social reforms including implementing the Constitution, oh well, one can not squeeze wine out of a poison tree. Instead, he went on mocking technocrats and experts when he tried to sell a populist mantra when he said, ንስኻ ሳምሶናይት ሒዝካ እንድሕር ትዘውር ኣለኻ፣ በበይኑ ቋንቋ ንዛረብ ኣለና ማለት’ዩ፣ ምኽንያቱ እቲ ቀነዲ ኣፍራይ ናይ ቁጠባ፣ እቲ ጤለ-በጊዕ ዘፍሪ ጓሳ እዩ. Sort of a caricatured “Cultural Revolution” if you will. It is so tragic that, ones hopeful nation is reduced to this guy!

    • saay7

      Paulos:

      At this point I am no longer mad at Isaias (I consider him mentally unfit); I have transferred my anger to his supporters.

      Here’s my interpretation of today’s interview

      http://www.eritreadigest.com/eritv-interview-with-president-isaias-afwerki-domestic/

      saay

      • Paulos

        Sal,

        Yea read it. Awesome summary and funny too. Thank you. Tried to comment on it with a YouTube link but Disqus ate it.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ5gGcg4Pfs

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Man, you have the gift of comprehending and summarizing like no one else!
        I was thinking if someone asks me what was the interview about, my answer would be about nothing [if I had to borrow from Georgi of Seinfeld]

        • saay7

          Hey Mehands:

          When I saw his long talk about what a goat should sell for what a barrel of water should sell for, what a liter of milk should sell for, it reminded me that 3 years ago he had talked and talked about what a liter of milk SHOULD sell for: he had done a complete analysis of how much it sells in Germany and what the expenses are of a milk salesman. This is one of many reasons I think he is mentally ill. I can forgive mentally ill people; I just can’t forgive his useless supporters. All their “we will raise issues of prisoners, constitution, unlimited National Service when the sanctions are removed, when peace is declared with Ethiopia” went up in smokes as soon as he decided to humiliate them.

          Anyway have added the video now in the article; check it out.

          saay

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Saay,
            What you have said is true. This guy is indeed lunatic. He also pretends to be smart about everything but you can see a lot of holes in his speech. And he thinks 60MW is good enough for the whole country? Man, this is embarrassing.
            If I had to say what his expert is this: a born pathological liar!
            I am sure the NNNNs will come up with something else [new order from their lunatic boss]. These people have no shame. Pathetic.

      • iSem

        Hi Sal:
        Supper. You forgave the guy by reason of insanity:-)

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Saay,

        Late but I read this wonderful article of yours in the other page ..and to the point ..As usual you are an eagle who is king of sky..I mean just smart man who knows everything from long distance..

        ” consider him mentally unfit” Yes, that is just the description of this man..

        KS,,

  • sara

    hello all, awtistas on sunday//
    this is cut and paste– that says a thing about the small (tiny ) country called eritrea.

    ”While the Nigerian government went into panic mood pledging that it will meet the demands of America, small Eritrea, with a population of 5,767,105, denounced the ban, adding that: “We find this move unacceptable. We will, however, not expel the U.S. ambassador.” As big brother, Nigeria should have coordinated other African countries for a joint response; Africa should be interested in getting Trump, the narcissist racist bigot out of the White House”

    who wants to go to america , a country with history racism, bigotry, and al lot more against
    Blacks, Muslims etc…… i am wondering how you awtistas feel about this and still live in
    that country.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    እንዳ ህግደፍ ሸታሕታሕ ይብላ’ለዋ።

    Yemane Charlie lied through his teeth when he said the interview was going to be live when in fact the interview was pre-recorded. There are a number of give-aways where the interview was from last year. This is what Isaias had to say, for instance, ንኽልተ-ሽሕን-ዕስራን ምርጫ ክንገብር ኢና ይብሉ’ለዉ፣ Why would he say, election for 2020 if the interview was done yesterday? He said that simply because he gave the interview in 2019. ማፍያ ዝኾነ መንግስቲ!

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Dottere,
      There is also that last statement from the so called ጋዜጠኛ said [ርሑስ ቅንያት ናጽነት], at 2:19:53
      However, this could be released purposely to divert us from discussing about main issues. If not MoI is in trouble for transmitting this.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Awate

    ኣነ ኢሱ
    ኣነ ኢሱ ጅግና
    ርኢስ-ጥልመት ናይ ዓድና
    ናይ ሃገር ካዝና
    ኣብ ትሕተይ
    ወናኒ ‘ንዳ ንሱ-ንሕና
    ነዛ ምልእቲ ሃገር
    ይጻወተላ ኣለኹ ከም ባሊና
    እወ ኣነ ኢሱ

    ስልጣን ዝሃበኒ የለን
    ዝኣመነ ይእመን
    ኣነ’የ ኣርሓ-ሃገር ዓቢ ጋኔን
    ዘይኣመነ ብናተይ ማኒፌስቶ ይኹነን
    እወ! ኣነ ኢሱ

    ተድልየ ሃገር የካርያ
    ኣገልገልተይ ይመርጾም ብሕርያ
    ንዓይ ዘይምእዘዝ
    ኮፍ ኣብ ናይ ስደት-ጽርግያ
    ‘ዛኹላ መንእሰይ ተደርብያ
    ኣብ ሱዳን ኢትዮጵያ
    ኣብ ተልኣቪቭ ግብጺ ሊብያ
    ገበርኩዋ ከምትቕየር ናብ ባርያ
    መሬት ገበርኩዋ ሕለፍያ
    እወ! ኣነ ኢሱ

    ኣብ ደገ ኮይንካ መዓስ ኮይኑ
    ህግደፍ ክወድቕ ክዓኑ
    ታቤላ ተሸኪሞም ክምሕጸኑ
    ርኢኹሞ ‘ዶ ፍሽኽታ-ናይ-ኣንበሳ
    ጫሕ ኣቢሉዎ ስኑ
    ወረ ደለይቲ ፍትሒ መዓስ ኢኹም ትኣምኑ
    ኢሎም ከምዝዛረቡ መዓስ ይጠፍኣኒ
    እወ! ኣነ ኢሱ

    ካላስ
    ‘ታ ሃገር ሃገር ናቱ
    ህዝባ ኣጽኒቱ
    ኣጥፊኡ መሳቱ

    ተድልዩ ናብ ጎንደር
    ደስ ክብሎ ባህርዳር
    ዳዕሚኹ ዛ ሃገር
    ናብ ዓዲ ‘ቦኡ ሂቡ ናብ ሰማይ ክዕዘር
    ንሕና ድማ ብግዜና ንቋመር
    ተኣምር
    ከምትብሉ መዓስ ይጠፍ ኣኒ
    ሰኒ
    ድማ ይብለኩም
    እወ! ኣነ ኢሱ

    ሰብዓ-ዓመተይ ካብ ዝሕሱ
    ክሻ ወርቂ ቢሻ መተርኣሱ
    ይሓንጽ ኣለኹ ዝብል ሃገር ኣፍሪሱ
    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ተደፊና ብዓያሹ
    ሕብራን ታሪኻን ደምሲሱ
    ንዓመታት ነጊሱ
    ከም ትብሉ ይፈልጥ ‘የ
    እወ! ኣነ ኢሱ

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Brain Drain—-ፈሰስ ሓንጎል.

    The other day, I met a bright in fact, incredibly bright young Eritrean woman who is a Ph.D student in Theoretical Physics who made me feel and look like a dwarf when I thought I knew the stuff, to the very least the rudimentary aspect of it where I was reminded that I have to do a lot of catching up and reading. She left Eritrea a couple of years ago and finished her Masters in less than two years with flying colors. She said, she would go back to Eritrea in a heartbeat if the situation was better for her ambition and dream is to open as she put it, “Institute of Advanced and Theoretical Physics.”

    If the famous line in “Fields of Dreams” goes, “If you build it, they will come” the opposite is true—“If you destroy it, they will leave.” That is precisely the story of the young and bright Eritrean woman. She left Eritrea because Higdef destroyed the nation.

    A Vietnam veteran brought his 1972 Rolex watch he had bought when he was stationed in South-East Asia to the PBS Road-Show for appraisal. And to his credit, he had kept it not only intact but he kept all the receipts and pocket book instructions of the watch as well. He had paid $345 dollars for it for it was pricy and way over his salary at that time. To his shock and surprise however, the watch is estimated to be $700,000 dollars in retail price at the present moment. Thing is, the wrist watch, Rolex watch in general has an interesting history of its own.

    The year was 1555, bloody struggles between Catholics and Lutherans in the German states intensified when the “Peace of Augusburg” authorized Nobles to determine the religious faith of their subjects [In essence that was the main agreement or tenet of the Peace of Augusburg.] This arrangement, the end of sequence originating with Luther’s declaration of independence for the conscience of each individual believer, brought religious faith firmly under control.

    However, the arrangement was unwelcome in France which was fanatically Catholic and the tension between the Catholics and the Huguenots–as the French Protestants were called back then–reached a crescendo when the violence originating in the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre of Huguenots in Paris culminated in the deaths of thousands of Protestants throughout France. If anything, the Huguenots made a living in France in watch making. After the brutal violence, they left France with their talent for good and were received and settled in Switzerland. They made Switzerland world renowned watch maker to this day. If France had only known…unbelievable missed opportunities including for Isaias’ Eritrea. If he only knew….what a pity!

    • Haile S.

      Selam Paul,

      Nice ካንዝን ካብትን. When you and I go to near Medeber for your promised treat, we will spend sometime looking for an Italian antique that could bring us few thousand dollars. I try not to miss Antique Road Show on PBS. You look like a fun too. ኣነን ንስኻን እኮ… እዛ ትፕልፍ ኣብ መንጎና እንተዘይትህሉ… 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Paulos

        Hailat,

        The TPLF thing is a none issue where I bring it over only when it is an issue with in the Eritrean discourse.

        Sure, the Medeber treat is still holding where it doesn’t seem too far out when we are more hopeful than ever.

        I don’t watch TV much, if I do, it is sports stuff but I used to be a big fan of PBS Road Show. I occasionally watch it on YouTube and that was where I watched the Rolex guy.

        • Nitricc

          Hey P; I second Haile. I don’t know what is your thing with TPLF but I have never read you defending Eritrea. I have no doubt when you say An Eritrean but self respect goes a long way. It is your right to oppose the leadership but not the country. Here is to remind you that there is Eritrea and Eritreans.
          https://youtu.be/J7KCP-85xOA

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            I listened attentively the song you linked. Awel S’id (ኣወል ስዒድ) is talented poet. I understand, the overblown self aggrandizement the singer refers-to has a foundation. No doubt, but when it is the only thing we have to get satisfaction for the last 30 years with no real growth to show, with static buildings of our depopulated cities, our hidmos and tukuls to live and sleep-in in our villages, with dusty narrow roads that were built for the 1960s buses and cars, infrastructure that has not moved or changed since the 1970s, we shouldn’t be bragging about. Contrary to the photoshopped images presented in the song’s video, Massawa and its sea are ghosty. Look at the videos that are shown when visitors visit it or even when commemoration like today happen, nothing has been developed since 2000. I mentioning these because of what the singer showing them and bragging about them. Many more wrong can be listed about other places and things. In summary no bragging can cover the nakedness of our country.
            You don’t fight an enemy who have decided to finish you by saying ጽንዓት & survival only, you need to show him that you live, grow and multiply, things our country is not doing except on songs and PIA monologue like yesterday.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            ኣንታ ሃይላት ክሳዕ መዓስ ኢና ብሕሉፍ ጅግንነት ክንዝምር ክንነብር:: ኣብ መድረኽ ዝጠልቦ ጅግንነት ክንጸምድ’ዶ አይምሓሸን:: ዝሓለፋ ዝምልከቶም ጅግንነት ሰሪሖም ሓሊፎም:: እዚ ሓድሽ ወለዶ መዘና ናቶም ይጽዋዕ አሎ:: ታሪኽ ብዘይመስዋእቲ አይስጠራሕን እዩ::

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            That was exactly what I was saying about the half empty bravado. But I think, in your last sentence, you are trying to switch the conversation to the interminable “irresponsible-war-mongerers vs debilitating-pacifists” debate.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam,

            First, the initial part of my comment was intended to endorse your argument in my own way and in my own style.

            Second, ናትካ ነገር ሰው ኣብሎ ቆብ ከብሎ ካብ ኮነ: Yes you are right. I was trying to switch our conversation to a more practical and meaningful discussion that could address the method of engagement against the culprit of Eritrean politics. However, I wouldn’t frame it the way you framed it. If you believe there could be a “justifiable war” for a reasonable “cause”, then a war against the culprit dictator is justifiable. A “violent dictator” can only be remove by a “violent force” – a simple formula that should dictate us. So I would like rewording the phrase you framed it as: Justifiable war vs unjustifiable pacifism. The despot is at war against the Eritrean people for decades. Pacifism in the context of our despot does not and will not work. If we let the culprit to reign until his natural death knocks his door, then we are letting our people to be the perpetual victims of him. Where are the torch receivers?

          • Haile S.

            Selam,

            ናትካ ነገር ክኣ፡ ኣነ ሰው ከብሎ ንስኻ ትም ኢልካ ተቐበሎ፡ ኮይኑኒ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            አይፋልካን ሃይላት:: አነ ዝበልኩስ “ቆብ ንበሃሃል አሎና” እየ ዝበልኩ:: ስለዝኾነ ኸአ ፈትየዮ እየ ዘለኹ::

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos,

      The tragic part of it is that the lady is one of hundreds or perhaps thousands of them. Brain Drain is a scourge wreaking havoc to poorly governed nations. I remember after the 1979 revolution Iran was losing elite professionals in droves. Canada was asking professionals in all field, especially medicine, above masters degrees. One of the people who was doing Canada’s bid told me that it took 20 years and exorbitant funds to train medical doctor with five years working experience. So, he argued, why should they not take advantage of opportunity that offered experts with negligible fraction of expenses. Do not you release that your country has lost you. As I remember, I once commented here in this forum, I thinks as response to Dr. Beyan and you, I wanted to see both of you before I disappear in our colleges training the young. Thanks for telling us about the lady we have lost due to oppression under despicable despotism.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        Nations are built on ideas and man-power including intellectual prowess are needed to materialize the ideas. More often than not the misfortune of a nation becomes a boon for other nation where the New World as in the US reaped the benefit most.

        For instance, during the mid 1800s Irish potato famine, millions of Irish headed to the shores of the US and settled on the coastal region for they didn’t have money to head into the inland. One of the hunger stricken immigrants was the grandfather of the would be president in the early 1960s–JFK.

        What is even more interesting is that, a couple of decades later of the Irish Famine, a historic war was fought in Ethiopia were 2000 Italian soldiers were captured and Menilik moved to make use the skills of the soldiers in building houses, roads, carpentry, plumbing and in the then rising new technologies as well as in telegraph and telephone.

        And of course, the extraordinary social capital that had benefited a single nation was when the brightest minds flocked to America right after World War II including Einstein among others whose global effect is still palpable to this day. There are leaders with visions when they are awake and there are leaders with visions only when they are asleep. The cruel man in Eritrea is the latter.

  • Nitricc

    I have listened to PIA’s interview and I noticed it wasn’t live interview. Even when it was announced that there will be an interview, the date of the interview was listed as May 7; it means it was planned to be aired last year in May and for some reason it didn’t happen. If you noticed, the interview starts with PIA speaking. Normally the journalist does the greetings and appreciation for the time granted by the president and they procced to
    their questions, not this time. So, it was an old interview from last year and somehow they decided to air it this time. Anyway; I do understand in order to get to the TPLF thugs he
    has to show his love and support to PMAA; I get that but there is a degree to show your support and love and there is clear interferences to the affairs of an independent nation. What PIA did was nothing but clearly interfering in to Ethiopian political business. This is wrong! I can tell you from his domineer and body language; he seems to believe that he has the control of the horn Africa. I think looking at the horn situation, he may be right that he has the hold of the horn but you can’t not intrude in to a nation of hundred millions of people with the most pressing issues. PIA may have gotten his wish to be the big man in the horn but he cannot implicate Eritrea in to Ethiopian affairs. I do understand that anything bad that happens in Ethiopia, it will influence and affects Eritrea but mister president take it easy; it is not your freaking business. Don’t involve Eritrea in any Ethiopians business. Mind your own freaking mind. Before you can interfere in to the business of other nations; clean your house, by starting releasing the children on your prisons, it will be a good start with Ciham Ali. Yha, you do that. And please stop implicating Eritrea in to Ethiopian political affairs. leave Ethiopian issue to the Ethiopians.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Awate:
    ኣብ እስጦብያ ኬዱ ፍሽኽሽኽ ዝለመደ
    ምልስ ኣብ ኤረትራ ገጽ ተጨማደደ
    ቃለ-መሕተት ክገብር’የ በለ
    ባዕሉ ርሑስ ኦም ቆሪጹ ጠፋሽ ሓዊ ኣጎደ
    መሽረፈት ዘይብሉ መን ‘ዩ ዘንበድበደ
    ረኣዩኒ በለ ርኢስሃገር ክብል ንነብሱ ፈረደ
    ነብሲ ናይ ሓተትቲ ብራዕዲ ከርደደ
    እዚ ዝመርሖ ህዝብ’ሲ ነብሱ ኣዋረደ

    ከይተማህረ ፈላስፋ
    ከይሸቀጠ በዓል ብዙሕ ታዕሪፋ
    ነዛ ስልጣን’ሞ ክንደይ ከምዝሃርፋ
    ፍቱሕ-ስረ [ኣሳሪ] ናይ ተስፋ
    ናይ ካልኦት ስራሕ ይጽበ ሓለፋ
    ሕፍር ከይበለ
    ክውንን ጅግነንት ናይ ናቕፋ
    በዓል በርሀ ጻዕዳ ወዲ ዓፋ
    ገለ ዓይና ገለን ኢዳ ገለን ከኣ ሰለፋ
    ምእንቲ ሃገር
    ዓወት ንሓፋሽ ክብላ ተረፋ
    ‘ንዳ ሜስ ምዕባይስ ለካ ይፈጥር ‘ዩ ግሁድ ዘረፋ
    ‘ንዳ ንሕና ንሱ ድማ
    ዓሽ-ዓሽ ይብላሉ ከይተሰከፋ

    ጉማረ ዓዲ ሃሎ
    ብጀካኻ መንዶ ጥዒምዎ ‘ሎ?
    በጃኻ ቃለ-መሕተትካ ብመንዲል ጠቕልሎ
    ዝደኸመ ስብ ብ ኣግኡ ክዕሎ
    ኣብ ዘይውዳእ ሕልሚ-ሽግር ክልሎ
    ነዚ ህዝቢ ንታይ ግበር ትብሎ?

  • Mike

    Just curious why the author did not provide his sources. It is claimed that some “analysts” in the region believe the “economic discussions among the three leaders revolved around the joint security and development aid funds provided by the UAE… both Eritrea and Ethiopia are procuring arms.” who are these analysts? where can we find their analysis?

    • bardavidi

      Hi…Paulos……..Right……Actually when his Confidence rises and Seemingly solidifies his Ideology and will over the region.[DIA]………That is when the Rug gets pulled under him………….The divide from within is not a matter to neglect……….A lot of his reliable Foot soldiers are passing away……..Open opposition by his Rubber stamp Cabinet and a few Upper level Generals that are being demoted due to operational Disagreement………..Add to the Mix of his Inability to control opposition Media gaining audience locally and out performing his one and only outlet………. Do not worry his time is awfully near and he knows that…………His Grand plan of waging another senseless war against Woyane to extend his time will never materialize………..No one will fall for the same Trick twice, not even his dumbest Soldiers………..Selah

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    As it happens, Isaias is giving more ammo to the Tigreans to be united behind TPLF as he keeps running his “Game Over” mantra. Thing is though, why would a leader of a sovereign nation gets so obsessed and intervenes in the internal affairs of another independent and sovereign nation? Perhaps, he thinks, in fact he believes he is the product of the latter.

    • saay7

      Hey Paulos:

      Politicians are cursed to live with two contradictory traits: to be so vain/narcissistic that they want to know everything said about them while being too proud to admit they do. My friend Naty Berhane essentially controls Abiy Ahmed’s calendar by writing about his vanity daily (from his obsession with the missing flowers on Bole Road to the missing university students). Old Man Isaias is still pretending that he doesn’t read us (like Trump pretending he doesn’t watch CNN) but that’s all he does: you can tell by his constant reference to social media and the criticisms we mount against him.

      So no we don’t have the power to overthrow these bastards yet but we sure can deflate their huge egos and burst their baloons. Everyday. All for the single purpose of empowering and emboldening those who live in holy terror of them.

      Haven’t watched the interview yet. I doubt it deviates much from the Isaias Bullshit Generator that @eritreadigest created: Cold War, Fukuyama, Huntington, Ethiopia, Ethiopia, Ethiopia, and the Tigrayans that live rent-free in his demented head: TPLF. Am waiting for the domestic edition: I am betting he throws a lollipop or two to the useless Nehna Nsu Nsu Nehna (NNNN) Eritrean throw up. But the rest will be more delusional piece about a country that ranks dead last (for example: UNICEF on children stunting and wasting) in sub Saharan Africa. The goal, remember, is for Eritreans to give up hope (like the 300 Eritreans who cross borders to Ethiopia daily) and recreate Greater Ethiopia, to include Eritrea.

      My friend Saleh Gadi has appealed to the gallant EPLF legends to save Eritrea (Negarit 70): this is the last ditch campaign. If that doesn’t work, you can kiss Eritrea goodbye.

      saay

      • Paulos

        Selam Sal,

        I read your tweeter feed pretty much every day and I must say, I admire not only your clarity of events but ዘይሕለል fight against a brutal regime the continent has ever seen when the rest of us often times get overwhelmed with the unbearable feelings of hopelessness.

        I am not sure if your friend Naty understands Tigrinya, but if anything, the dejected looking old man spelt out what he says to Abiy in private including the triviality of calling for elections in Ethiopia when he mocked with a sarcastic tone the idea of Federalism as well—literally his road map is to turn Ethiopia to Eritrea. No kidding!

        Thing is though Sal, our fight against the fool old man will benefit more Ethiopians than us simply because he will do much more damage to them than what he has already done to or on us. And the sad thing is, none of them realizes what is coming to them [Do you remember, In the early 90s when we got so excited for him and we didn’t know what was in store for us. And that is exactly how the Ethiopians are excited about him now] where ever the old man places his hands on, turns to ashes including Ethiopia.

        • saay7

          Selam Paulos:

          I see your point and I discuss it with Ethiopians. And the general sense I get is that they see Senile Isaias as having had a role in being a dragon slayer (the dragon being TPLF) which had appeared for a while as this dynastic entity which was going to rule forever–thanks to its frequent (and mostly bogus) Anti-Terrorism Proclamation (ATP): use of the powers of the State to criminalize dissent, with the active cheerleading of the West and the African Union which recently named one of its buildings the Meles Zenawi.

          As to Isaias’s long term plans, they (to a person) say that Ethiopians are nothing like Eritreans–when it comes to politics–and that the country is so big, so diverse, there is always a built-in opposition: there were people standing up to Mengistu and getting killed for it every year. I guess I agree to some extent: unlike them, we Eritreans had been wholly vested in EPLF (and the EPLF wholly vested in Isaias) and there is no such loyalty to Abiy or his best friends. There is a large political space outside the area controlled by the State (in media, in scholarship, in being an influencer) in Ethiopia compared to Eritrea. Isaias, now in his 70s, certainly sees himself as the Elder Statesman compared to the PMs of Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia and I guess all the PMs will want to learn from him on a politician’s single obsession–how to stay in power–but the Somalis, Ethiopians and Sudanese are politically less lock-step than we were in the naive 1990s.

          But all this may all be moot: if Eritreans are leaving the countries by the hundreds, every day, and they are able to give a positive answer to the question: “what can an Eritrea under the rule of Isaias do for me?”, then we may well be like the East European countries (Bulgaria for example) who have had declining populations for over a decade.

          saay

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            “ The Eritrean people had been vested in EPLF” is very telling. But, since historically there were no EPLF without Issayas at the helm, EPLF and Issayas are interchangeable in Eritrean politics. And therefore, the Eritrean people had been actually wholly vested in Issayas. Haven’t the Eritrean people worshiped him as demigod to the extent and without shame were saying “messarhiti endyu siEnu. The good thing however, there were many Eritreans who stood their ground and oppose vesting in Issayas or to any man for that matter, for it will create a cultish political culture. Can’t you see that in our society? After all “NNNN” clearly explain to it.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          The conspiracy of our despot will neither benefit Ethiopia nor does it benefit Eritrea. The history of Issayas is the history of instability. The hand of Issayas in the Ethiopian politics will be dangerous as it has been always. My head start to spin when I hear him saying in his interview, that his government loves peace more than any government in the region.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            In the interview, he mocked all the five previous elections when he never had one. And the trembling duo could not ask him anything to that effect out of the script where their fate could be scripted as well. He went on to say that, he opposed the then arranged Ethnic-Based Federalism from the get-go when the history of the nation is replete with hegemony of a single ethnic group over the others on the periphery that had spanned for almost a century. If panacea to that age old malice is not Ethnic Based Federalism, not sure what is and if anybody is prescribing otherwise, it didn’t work before and it can never work in the future either. That is the reality and he is opposing it not because of its lack of merit but because it was put forward by the people he considers his blood enemies.

            Now, the question is, how is that a single person with so much power is not only unhinged but not even blinking when we fight him oceans away? Simply because, the critical missing factor is lack of an organized opposition from with in. As such, he enjoys a free reign to the extent of reeking havoc in the entire region as well.

            The Weyanes were ousted because of a concerted revolt from with in so was Al-Basher. On the other hand in Eritrea, as Sal poignantly put it, we may kiss Eritrea good bye precisely because, it is not only him staying in power that he is after, it is far more malicious and sinister. We have no idea!

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            The trembling duo look like history students obliged to attend a theoretical physics lecture as a prerequisite for their graduation! Poor guys!

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            In fact, ወዲ ዓቤ seems to have a heart with his daring look as opposed to ወዲ ነጣባይ who was probably soiling his pants. I have never seen anything like it.

            There is this guy with “Alena” videos and funny enough, he would have a video with a title, ምቕጥቃጥ ናይ ናይዝጊ or ምቕጥቃጥ ናይ ኣልኣሚን. In it he would tell you how Isaias bled them to broken bones when they called him names as in ኣታ ወዲ ተምቤን.

            He would drag them out of the Bar and he would beat them up where no one dared to break them up. It is just extraordinary how ሓደ ጠላዕ ሰብኣይ ንጠላዓት ኣሰብኡት ደም ክሳዕ ዝወጹ ዝቕጥቅጦም! As you know, when we were growing up, ተሃሪምካ ገዛ ምእታው ነውሪ እዩ ኔሩ let alone for someone who claims to be ተጋዳላይ!

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            Thank you for the laugh and describing the charged atmosphere so “graphically” and poignantly.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            even the eprdf constitution on its 1st paragraph say ” we nation and nationalities of ethiopia after we correct the past mistakes, we will build ONE socio, economic and political society”
            u don’t even know this but u r expert and a doctor on ethiopia politics.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            But if he were against “nation and nationality” why did he groomed organizations like the OLF (Oromo group) DeMahit (Tigray group), and Ginbot-7 (Amhara group) inside Eritrea? The guy is not a principled man. His political appetite changes by the day, and if it serve him even for one day, he goes for it.

            Second, imagine when he has no any constitution, legislative body, and rule of law to govern his subjects, how could he be in a position to mock to Ethiopia? which by far has at least a parliament, had five elections with three different prime ministers in the last three decades. Adgi Zeyeblu BeQli YeniEq goes our adage to him.

            Third, as if other societies do not have experience on their domestic politics and their region, he shamelessly want to tell them “the do and don’t” thing on their domestic issues as he did in everything with us in Eritrea,

            Fourth, imagine he told us again in this interview (if it is really an interview) that the border issue is not his priority. The Ethiopian issue is his priority as if he didn’t took us to that bloody war. Remember the mobilizations to war effort both inside and abroad, in 1998. Remember how he was pulling them to a war. He was telling us that they are the noise of an empty barrel. He told them it was “September” as being set them, and thus he was waiting you for the “face on” war. Now he tried to tell it is meaningless war. The problem is: he has a society who does not question such contradictory remarks.

            Fifth, the current Eritrean army, until now, is by all account Issayas’s army. They defend Issayas and his institutions instead defending the Eritrean people. Since we don’t have professional army (well educated officers) they don’t question his instructions. They are enforcers to one man‘s instruction. He can send them everywhere, as he had send them to Congo, Somalia, South Sudan, Yemen, they will be ready to be send to fight in the domestic politics of Ethiopia. He told us today in his interview. I don’t think we have any exit from his project, unless Ethiopians woke up to foil it. The current inexperienced bogus PM will give him a room to play his dirty game. The “game over” changed overnight to “game is not over” and will continue inside Ethiopia.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Sal,

        I enjoy reading you at Eri-Dig.
        The lollipops given to the 4Ns is already licked several times, ኣደድ!
        I saw a picture of Isaias in Paris (place Trocadero) with the Eiffel tower behind him. I think that picture could have been taken in 1994 when he came there for an official visit. He could have gone with friends leaving his official escort. I remember, he was received by the Eritrean community at Orly Airport. I am not sure if there was ከበሮ and እምብልታ, I chose to abstain from the drama. Here is a picture with his host President Francois Mitterrand.

        https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/french-president-fran%C3%A7ois-mitterrand-receives-his-eritrean-news-photo/1169762503

        • saay7

          Selamat Haile:

          I am sure you know the Upton Sinclair expression:“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” It is difficult to get NNNN to understand that Isaias has been leading the country to the edge of a cliff because their very psychological health depends on them not understanding it. Just think: in May 2015, the man gave them one throw-away line that a new constitution is being drafted. Not only did they not ask “what was wrong with the old constitution”, now, almost 5 years later, they haven’t asked, “hey, how come the first constitution was drafted and ratified, with a lot of popular participation in 3 years and this one, 5 years later, there is not a word about it?”

          So all he has to say in his interview on Sunday is ንነዊሕ ጊዜ ተወንዚፉ ነበረ ዘቤታዊ ጉዳያት ኣተኩሮ ንህበሎ እዋን ሕጂ እዩ:: ዝርዝራቱ ምናልባት ኣብዚ ቀረባ ግዜ ነቶም ዝምልከቶም ሰበ ስልጣን ንስኹም ትሓትዎም ትኾኑ…. ካብኡ ናብኡ….. All he has to do mention vague generalities and invite the “journalists” (who are not journalists) to follow up on the details with the “authorities” (who have no authority) and that’s all the lollipop the NNNN will play on a loop and say, he is trying his best but he has nobody helping him.

          saay

  • Nitricc

    Happy fenkil week. I know you don’t give a hoot but it is one of the most amazing achievements in a military history of the world. In any offensive or defensive, the attacker has to triple the amount of personal and military armaments; equipment’s and what have you. If you observe and see what the great EPLF has done, when they captured Massawa, it will leave you confused and in disbelieve.
    EPLF
    Human personal 13,500
    Tanks —45
    130mm, 122mm and 85mm artilleries —–31
    BM-21 ——4
    Anti air and anti tank
    artilleries —-20
    Speed boats that were used as navy —–10
    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    Ethiopian government.
    Human personal ——-25000 armed soldiers and 3000 navy; total
    human personal —-28000
    Tanks———–150
    130 mm artilleries —–70
    Anti-tank and ——200
    Battle ships ——- 30
    Fighter jest—— Operated by seven full squadron from
    Asmara; armed with MIG 21, 23, 25 and 27. Not counting the helicopters .

    The great question is how?
    How is possible the attacker to be the victor? Since there is no scientific explanation i.e simply one concludes Eritreanism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Once upon time; Eritrea had heroes who get the job done; unlike today’s Eritreans whiny and gossipy losers.
    Long live EPLF!!!!

    • Abi

      Hello General
      ፈንቅል የፈነቀለው ኤርትራውያንን ብቻ ነው::

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        That’s harsh. What would you say if an Awatista asks you on how would your comment be any different from what Tamrat had to say?

        • Abi

          Paul
          Assuming you are an awatista …
          We are witnessing the unforeseen consequences of Fenkil where a once upon a time proud and successful people no where to be found in the Fenkil liberated Eritrea.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ras Abiy; it is very true; the Eritreans always declared that , Eritrea to Eritreans by Eritreans. So, here you have it, you are right. Everything they do is by themselves. virtue at work.

  • Nitricc

    Eri-Tv and Radio Dimtsi Hafash will broadcast live, at 8:00 pm local time tomorrow Friday 7th

    What will he say????? This is going to be different, I think

    • Abi

      General
      My guess is he will announce the releasing of prisoners.
      I’m sure you have heard this kind of predictions before.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Why bother and sweat to do an interview when he can easily show us the last 27 interviews where we had a cracking voice and trembling legs of the journalists who asked him questions and his monotone and pathetic supposed answers which starts with እወ ሕጂ….and it goes on with ካልእ ማዓልቲ ክንዛረበሉ ንኽእል ኢና including ክባሃል ይካኣል’ዩ in between.

        • Abi

          Paul
          The journalists look like bubble heads continuously nodding.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Dottere,
          On top of your comment….

          ትጽቢት [ዓጀውጀው] ፕረዚደንተ
          ባዕሉ ዝጸሓፎ ምስተሓተ

          [ከምዚ ክንብል ከለና] ኢሉ ይጅምሮ
          ትዝሓስቦ ብውሽጡ ይቐብሮ
          ከደናግር ንበዓል ስሑዋት-ኣእምሮ
          ሊቀ-ሊቃውንቲ ንዓለም ክምህሮ
          ደርፊ ጅምረልኩም ብዘይ ክራር ብዘይ ከበሮ

          መልሲ ሓንቲ ደቒቕ ትወስድ ቀላል ሕቶ
          ነቲ ሚድያ ሃገር በይኑ ምስ በሓቶ

          ፈላስፋ ክመስል
          ገጹ ጨማዲዱ ንዝሓቱን-ሰማዕቱን ክድህል
          ካብ ጠፈር ናብ ዓዲ-ሃሎ ናብዝን ናብትን ይብል

          ንዝፈልጥ ትርጉም ኣልቦ
          መትሓዚ ዘይብሉ መላግቦ
          መምህሩ ተዝሪኦስ ኤፍ ምሃቦ

          ኤፍ ‘ኳ ክበዝሖ
          ‘ንታይ ፋይዳ ግዲሎ ‘ዩ ንሱ ዝሰረሖ
          ህዝቢ
          ሃገር ገዲፍሉ እግሩ ናብ ዝመረሖ

          ብጽፍርና ይብል ከም ኣመሉ
          ባዶሽ ዘረባ መትሓዚ ዘይብሉ
          ከይጸዓረ ፒኤችዲ ሰቒሉ
          ሕጂ ውን ከም ቀደም ግዲ ‘ይትግበርሉ
          ከም ኣመሉ ከምስል ‘ንዳ ኣሉ
          ገበነኛ
          ህዝብን ሃገርን ኣጥፊኡ ኣሉ
          ንሱ መራሒኦም ጋንታ ናይ ዓዋሉ
          ኣበይ ‘ከ በቖሉ?

      • sara

        ato abi,
        president trump is acquitted and still is expected to win the coming election.
        survival of the fittest — as they say…… go figure.!!!!!

        • Abi

          Sariti shikorina
          Definitely Trump is going to be re-elected big time!!!
          I’ve already figured it out 👌

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Trump’s ammo is of course the strong economy where as they saying goes, if the belly is full the rest are details. But that can not be a guarantee for re-election as other, as in historical precedents could be at play.

            For instance, LBJ was indecisive about one of the central themes of the day when he was reluctant to pull out of Vietnam. Nixon appeared a man who can deliver that and the people gave him the vote. As it turned out, Nixon was a crook and corrupted and the voters wanted someone clean and righteous and they found it in Carter.

            But again, Carter was weak whose number one agenda was “Human Rights” in a time when Soviet Union was taking almost the rest of the developing nations under its arms. And the voters wanted someone who is tough who can take on the flexing muscles of the Soviet Union and the voters found that trait in Reagan. As you can see, there is a sort of trend where the voters swing from one extreme to the other when they voted for a black dude and the whites felt threatened and found one in Trump. And now, Trump is morally irresponsible and divisive and the voters would be looking for someone who is financially savvy and morally upbeat and I think that person is Bloomberg.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Can you imagine Bloomberg winning in Midwest and the South and the swing states?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            And of course, it is going to be a tough race where traditionally the Midwest and the South safe Florida are Red states. The key are the Rust-Belt states as in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin. And he can win those particularly if Biden gives him the endorsement.

          • Abi

            Paul
            እናያለን ! አለ ዓይነስውር

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; hopefully you guys are done talking about freaking birds. When I read the title “ New Ethio-Eritrea trade deal awaiting final decision” I said to myself, okay Eritrea brave yourself, here they come. I envisioned Shisha bars, Khat shops, gambling stations and all the rest in Asmara. I imagined everything to be changed the way Eritreans lived. I felt bad but it but needs to be done. Then I proceeded to read the rest of the article and I was shocked and relived, when I read……..

    The study focused on unilateral, bilateral and multilateral
    trading schemes in the market product interest between the two nations, he
    “said. The cross border trade between Ethiopia and Eritrea will occur within a
    radius of 10 km from their shared borders.

    Even more the rout from Massawa to Ethiopia will skip Asmara. From GinDAe through Dekemahare and off to Ethiopia! This is the best. No heavy trucks in city of Asmara with their thick poisonous smoke. What a great idea. the I read this….
    ” Therefore, MoTI has identified the preferable commodities and transaction currency of traders in the area. The currency will be in when the two nations reach trade agreement; they will choose Birr, Nakfa or USD as a transaction currency, according to Wondimu.”
    My question is how do you make it work? If I am not mistaken, this very issue was one of the reason for Eritrea and TPLF to fight. What is a win-win way to make it work. forget dollar, it is unrealistic.

    • Paulos

      Nitrikay,

      Don’t you think it is better to talk about birds instead of the fr*aking border and what not. To the very least, birds fired up the human imagination and humans invented a machine bird as in Airplanes so that instead of your lazy azz rides a Donkey from ኣንኮበር or እንጦጦ all the way to America, you can make it with in few hours or so saddled on a cozy seat with meals and drinks in between.

      • Abi

        Paul
        George Washington rode his horse from his home in Virginia to Washington. Some history lesson for the uninitiated:))
        What General ነትራኬ missed is the bird selecting committee was searching for a long-haul choppers that can be used in case removing Isu needs the use of Air Force.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Paulos. Nah….it is far more productive to talk of so called Doctors and Professors with Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) who are somehow able to spend 24 x 7 on an Eritrean opposition website endlessly promoting and defending the TPLF.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Mokie,
          Please don’t make Eritrea a one-enemy country. It has other big enemies in the name of imprisonment, absence of freedom, rule of law, constitition, underdevelopment, migration of its productive force and a regime that undermines its citizens etc etc etc…..

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; although there was a good reason for the problems you have listed. I wouldn’t call it a big problems because they are not. Do you want to know what big problems are? look what PMAA and Ethiopia is going through. I remained you, Ethiopia has constitution, no one is in prison, every one can voice their opinion freely but is Ethiopia free and harmonies? Come on man!!!!

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Haile S. To the contrary, I have long held both PIA/PFDJ and the TPLF culpable, whereas most here, are really the ones have been treating Eritrea as a single-enemy country by solely focusing on PIA/PFDJ and flat-out refusing to criticize or to even acknowledge the wrongdoings of the TPLF. Why do you think it is that most people have left this room with perhaps only single digits remaining? It has really become a ghost town here! Can it perhaps be possible that people are turned off by numerous articles that wish to touch -directly or indirectly- upon sensitive religious matters? Or maybe not everyone sees the logic in going for the all-out attack on PMAA? Or maybe people do not like entering into 1970/1980s war -wound stories between the ELF and EPLF? Or is it possible that many simply feel uncomfortable openly expressing their thoughts and views among a room that is obviously populated with TPLFites, Agazians and Unionists?

          • Abi

            Hello mokie
            As a self appointed observer at Awatenation, I have to agree with you.
            This website lost the brightest and finest people like HaileTG, Sir Amde, Teg Vet Mahmud due to the unprecedented attack on the peace agreement.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            The “attendance taker” has told me that Haile-TG and Sir Amde are disappeared long before the so called peace agreement between the two leaders. Mahmuday is being called to show up in Asmara. He will come back with his new assignment.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            No Sir! As expected you got it wrong. All the greatest awatistas I mentioned were commenting well through the peace agreement.
            I’m the only attendance taker.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Go and Check Disqus. Only Mahmuday was active during the peace agreement of the two leaders. So the attendance taker of the forum is correct.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I’m here to disqualify disqus.
            I don’t need to check. I remember the discussions.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mokie,
            What you said being in the reality, the biggest offender to the Eritrean people and to the ‘state of our union’ is our own regime. The regime has the full responsibility to create a conducive environment for the people to lead their individual life and their citizen responsibility correctly, as well as lay the ground for the political forces to exercise their right and responsibility. As a governing body that has imposed itself upon the Eritrean people, it is the responsibility of the regime to manage sensibilities and refusals to recognize it (by the opposition). Morally the opposition should act as the adult in the room, but legally it is the regime who should grow to adulthood.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Haile S. No doubt the regime must go. ANY government ANYWHERE that stays in power for almost 3 decades without election or substantive change is simply bad news. Was surprised to read today an article posted on EP Eritrean Press titled ‘Eritrea’s Sad Future Under the Dictator’ for this site is usually pro-PIA/PFDJ. Thing is though, even without PIA/PFDJ in the picture, the issue of Badme, like a cancerous sore, will remain a contentious issue. The TPLF is no doubt holding Badme as a last hold bargaining chip; something for which people should not remain silent about, for it is simply wrong. PIA/PFDJ is and will continue to use the issue of Badme as an excuse to maintain status quo. Whilst I can understand those who the TPLF served as benefactor in reserving negative comment against the TPLF, I simply cannot understand why some go out of their way to promote and defend the TPLF. The opposition camp has long been mistrusted, fragmented and lacking unity; this just exacerbates the situation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            If you are really against DIA/PFDJ, and have understood that “DIA/PFDJ will continue to use the issue of Badme as an excuse to maintain status quo,” then Prioritize your effort against him than focusing on TPLF. While you are focusing your energy on external force – TPLF (which is not consequential at this time), you can’t claim “PIA/PFDJ must go.”

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mokie,

          ካን ወያኔ ለይትን መዓልትን ኣብ ሕልምኻ እንዳተማላለሱ ከባህርሩኻ ክነብሩ እዮም! ጥዕና እንተዝህልወካ እቲ መራሕየይ ትብሎ ዘለኻ መንግስቲ ንሃገርና ኣብ መሸጣ ዕዳጋ የውርዳ ከምዘሎ ምተረደኣካ ነይሩ:: ቅሩብ ኣእምሮ እንተትገብር ምሓሸካ::

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            The best communicator is the one who knows his audience.
            Have you ever seen mokie writing in Tigrinya?
            Let us wait and see how long it will take him to get back to you?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            If you need translation, I could volunteer. I thought our sister taught you tigrigna. Mokie knows Tigrigna. Don’t worry about him. Sometimes, it is good to tell him by his mother tongue.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I don’t need translation on everything unless it is a good joke which I don’t expect from you. You take things a little bit too seriously.
            Anyway, you are not communicating with mokie.
            The last time I heard your sister speak Tigrinya was last year.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Abi. አንድ ሰው ያውቃሉ ብለው ሊያስቧቸው የሚችሉ አንዳንድ ነገሮች አሉ ፣ ግን በትክክል አያውቁም ፡፡ አንድ ሰው ባልተገኘበት ሀገር ላይ ወደ ውይይት መግባቱ የተወሳሰበ ነው። እዚህ ለመምጣት ያለዎት ተነሳሽነት ግልፅ ነው ፣ ሆኖም ግን ሌላ ለማስመሰል ። እዚህ የመገኘት ፍላጎትዎ ግልፅ ነው

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. አነስ ከማካ አብ ሂልሚታት ናይ ሰባታትን ሰማኒአትን የለኩን። ኒስካ ኢካ ኪትባራበር ዘለካ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            Take a note:

            ከማካ = ከማኻ
            ሂልምታት = ሕልምታት
            ሰባታትን = ሰብዓታትን
            ሰማኒኣትን = ሰማንያታትን
            ኒስካ = ንስኻ
            ኢካ = ኢኻ
            ዘለካ = ዘለኻ

          • Hashela

            Selam Memhir

            You meant to use the unequal sign

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Hashela,

            Yes Doctore. It is edited/corrected now. Thank you.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            The guy is of course playing you and messing with you where he wanted to give you an impression that he is ኣምቸ when he is a done deal PFDJ cadre born and raised in Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            Probably You are right. PFDJites never come to the open to debate with their real name. I wish we could have an “open symposium“ to debate on “national issue”, where there will be clashes of ideas, which enable the public to scrutinize us. But they don’t have the guts to do that.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Early on, ገባር realized and concluded: ዋህዮ ኔው በላ ሕሹኽሹኽ ድኣመላ

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman H,
            You do have a point here. That is/was one of the reasons that reduced interest of some active indigenous participants, especially when guys like Mahmoud Saleh showed up randomly.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,
            As promised, here is a historical image on the condemnation to death of Hamed Kentibai of Habab by the Italians in Massawa. He was one of the leaders of mereb-mlash who accepted the italians to come to get relief from the razia and killing of ras turk-basha Alula & Co to be eliminated by the same Italians for bogus treason. Hamed Kentibai and his colleagues rose against the Italians when the later started occupying and confiscating fertile land….

            https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/hamed-kantibai-hababs-chief-sentenced-to-death-by-the-court-news-photo/1095414446

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Haile,
            Thank you again; my appreciation is boundless. These are rare images. Had no chance to watch or even know their existence during my student days. I admire your interest and resourcefulness. I am sure amateurs with ambition to become historians will appreciate you for your effort.

          • Haile S.

            Ismail,
            Here is the image of the tribunal. The one i sent already was his photo only.

            https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/italian-war-tribunal-to-try-the-traitors-mussa-el-accad-news-photo/1095414596

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. ሚጊላል ዓሳ ኪከይድ ከለና (ከም ስፖችት) ቢታኢሚ ኢፈቱ ነረ፤ ዓሳ ምግዛ ከማን ገዲፈዮ ነረ። ተዘኪሮታት ፩፱፰፪! LOL..

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    ቁጽርን ክታበትን!

    I commented on this a while back and I thought it would be relevant this time around as well in light of the new emerging virus [Corona.]

    Suppose a new rumor is going around in Awate-land where the rumor goes, Paulos is a Tigrean pretending to be an Eritrean and not only that, he is on a mission to confuse the Forum by spreading the defunct glory of Ethiopian rulers. And suppose that the rumor starts with one person and the person tells one other person in one day. And the person who heard the rumor tells another person the next day, and the next following day, the third person to another fourth person….one person one day. As you can imagine, with in the last month of January, if the rumor started on January 1st, by the end of the month, 31 Awatistas must have heard of the rumor.

    But instead of the first person who started the rumor tells one person with in a day, let’s say that he tells two people instead. And the two people tell two people each the next day and the four people who heard the rumor tell two people each the next day and the eight people tell two people each the following day…..As you would imagine, by the end of the month, over two billion [2,147,483,647 people to be exact] would have heard about the rumor! Of course, the one person to one person in a day is called “Linear Progression” and the other one is called “Exponential Growth or Progression.” The key difference between the two is the “Rate of Growth.” As you can see, in the first scenario, the rate of change is constant as in 1. Where as in the second scenario, it is not constant.

    Experts say, the number of people who hear of the rumor [in this case a rumor] is called “Basic Reproduction Number.” Again, in this case, the Basic Reproduction Number of the first scenario is 1 and for the other one is 2. And the denoted letter that represents the Basic Reproduction Number is “R”. For the first scenario R=1 and for the second scenario R=2.

    As you may have already guessed, infections particularly viral infections spread the same as rumors from person to person but of course from animals too but you get the idea. But of course, every infection spreads at a rate dependent on a unique set of biological, environmental and social factors. And every communicable virus has its own “R” and the following numbers give us the lethality of the most known or familiar viruses:

    Measles—R is 11-18
    Smallpox—R is 5-7
    Mumps——R is 4-7
    Influenza—-R is 2-3

    Here we see that, Measles is the most infective where if a person infects 11 to 18 people a day and if each of the infected people infect other 11 to 18 people, you can imagine how pandemic it can get with in a month! Certainly, I don’t want to bore you with the basic science behind the “art” of vaccination but it gives us immunity against communicable diseases. The body in a sense gains a memory of an invading pathogen and when the same pathogen invades the same body, the body would mount a protection for it had already gained all the tactics of the invading pathogen—this is pretty much the basics behind vaccination.

    As such, the main purpose of the experts is not to completely to eradicate the pathogen from the population through the use of vaccination but they focus on how to reduce the spread from an exponential growth or progression to a linear progression where the spread would be more contained. There is a specific mathematical formula that shows on how to convert the exponential to linear for every virus but it would be more technical and less fun and I don’t want Awatistas to feel like being in a dry and too serious classroom.

    P.S. Of course, Smallpox was completely eradicated in the early 80s but again the reason was an exception due to beyond the scope of this comment.

    • Abi

      Paul
      The other day the big shots were counting types of birds. Now we are counting types of viruses.
      Thank you for your efforts.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Thought it would gravitate interest due to the news cycle about the virus but obviously, the Forum is less interested except you who have given me an “E” for an effort. And I thank you for that.

        Well, if the virus was a cause for Avian-flu, talking about birds would be relevant for as you know, Avian means birds but with all honesty, I have learned a lot about birds thanks to Hailat and others.

        • Abi

          Paul
          I missed some classes last couple of days. I think it is the corona light from the super bowl.
          Your topic is more interesting than anything else. You rock!!!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Thanks much ma bro. Hung over from Corona? That’s funny. Your alcohol tolerance threshold must be very low which is unusual in us Habeshas where it is more genetically “prevalent” in South-East Asian countries.

            The game kept me on the edge for I thought the 49ers were going to win it. But amazingly Kansas pulled it off. That is the beauty about NFL, it ain’t over till it is over.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Actually I drink Guinness ( max 2) and pee corona light.
            I don’t think nobody consumes more black label than Abisha ( I mean Abesha).
            I don’t tolerate alcohol and I don’t like it. አልፎ አልፎ አንድ ሁለት መለኪያ መቀመሱ ግን አይቀሬ ነው::
            It was a great Super Bowl except the half time show. I didn’t like it. Whatever happened to decency?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Yea I agree with you. Maybe I am getting old but Shakira and J-Lo were too much except the fact that Shakira is hot and Pique’ [Barcelona center-back] has hit the Jackpot. He has been with her forever.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I always blame Sir Alex Ferguson for letting Pique leave Man U.
            So you think pique hitting the jackpot? I always knew you were bad. There is no asymptote ( ይጠጌ , አይነኬ) here.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Dottere,
          I must have missed this because I didn’t get enough sleep. This Corona virus is personally giving me a headache but it also saving me from traveling to that part of the world 🙂
          As I mentioned before Biology is not my thing and I just heard today on Fresh Air that virus need to have a host to survive. I was thinking I got to ask our Dottere on this.
          The guy also said it is very hard to say virus is a living thin by itself. What’s up with that?
          Here is a subject for you to teach us, the less informed like me.

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            In Medicine, particularly in the clinicals, there is something called “Idiopathic” which it is said, if the cause of a certain disease is unknown. And the “essence” of viruses is idiopathic if you will where we say, it is a “thing” sans living simply because what we call a living thing is conventional if you will.

            The basics is of course, a virus is either a piece of DNA or RNA with no other machinery of its own that would help it to replicate but it would depend on a host to reproduce and hence its entire “essence” is to invade so that it can reproduce. Scientists are learning far more mystery about the viruses where to the very least in fact a sort of frightening, a huge chunk of our DNA sequence is an exact replica of a viral DNA sequence. As such, it gets deeper and philosophical to say the least. As ቀሺ ደሞዝ used to say it, ትም ይሓይሽ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            What it surprised me is that say if you go to Amazon forest and shake one tree and a virus might fall down from the tree and infect you. This could be a virus a world have never seen it before. What the heck?
            Do you know who effectively used ትም ይሓይሽ in Eritrea? well, it is
            ኣምብሬዛ ኢሱ
            የዕጽምቱ ብጾቱ መተርኣሱ
            ቆርበት በጊዕ ልባሱ
            ማሕላ ብጾቱ ኣፍሪሱ
            ክፍለ ሰራዊታት ኣፍሊሱ
            ሃገርን ህዝብን ኣብሪሱ
            ናብ ‘ንዳባሓጎኡ ጎንደር ተመሊሱ

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            You can write a poem with in a second! That is awesome. ሻዕብያ’ዳኣ ትም ይሓይሽ እንዳ በሉ ኣፍናን ጢዝናን ትሬንታ ኣኒ ሓቲሞምና! ብሩቲ!

            In fact what you just said about the Amazon is one of the compelling theories about the frequent come back into the human population.

            Suppoe if the natural host say, of the Ebola virus are Baboons, and if you clear the forests and kill the Baboons, the viruses would look around to find a new host and in most of the cases they come to us. So the rationale goes, we need to revise our basic understanding of Ecology where instead of scrambling around for vaccines that would fight off a certain virus, we need to preempt, the root cause, which in this case, we need to leave the natural host of the virus alone.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            Exactly! I had no idea till hear this wonderful program and now you have clarified the fogy understanding I had and thank you for that!

  • sara

    Dear all— news from our neighborhood….not officially announced yet in local media.
    its, un believable or un expected, but the corrupted leader of Israel has met the Sudanese
    leader in Uganda. what is going on?… few days ago america announced the so called
    deal of the century…that will make Palestinian question to the dust bin…… and now this!
    what is this in geopolitical terms? what does it mean for our Eritrea…….. last year it was
    turkey today its Israel.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Ambassador Adhanom G/Mariam had an interview by SBS radio station in Australia. In his interview, the Ambassador tried to remind us the relationship of EPLF and PFDJ. In his interview, he said and I quote: “ህግደፍ መቀጸልታ ህግ’ዩ:: ክልተኦም ከአ ብዓንተብኡ ቀተልቲ እዮም”:: Just listen to the reasons as to why the organization has killed Dr Eyob, a colleague on the urban mobilization of Eritreans, at Addis in early 70s. Below is part-2 of his interview.

    https://youtu.be/gK8pyulxJvw

    • Haile S.

      Selam Emma,

      Is what you quoted:
      – the essential message you felt Mr AdHanom wanted to transmit
      – the top message you gathered from his interview
      – the most essential message you wanted to share with us
      – all of the above
      – none of the above or yes and no. Please explain.

      With all due respect

      I will listen to his interview later.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        The Ambassador talks about many issues in his interview. From his interview I found two important things for me.

        (A) PFDJ is the continuation of EPLF. You recall few years back we debate on this issue. There were some EPLFites who were arguing that EPLF and PFDJ are not the same. The Ambassador was a member of both organizations for which he served as military commander with the former and an ambassador with the latter. A man who knows them very well, is telling us that they are the same in their organizational style and organizational deeds. They were liquidating fighters then and are liquidating civil service men and military officers. I brought it because it validate my argument of then.

        (B) The killing of my former colleague and the reasons for his killing. He was killed simply of telling them that the two organizations (ELF and EPLF) are ideological the same even-though they differ in the applications of the ideology.

        • Saleh Johar

          Emma,
          I didn’t know the guy was a member of the EPLF and PFDJ. Was he an ambassador for PFDJ? Where?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abu Salah,

            Which guy? If you are asking about Adhanom G/Mariam, yes he was a member of PFDJ & EPLF. He was also an ambassador to Nageria. If you are talking about Dr Eyob, he was a cadre in the highland until they pulled him to put in prison in 1976. Then he was killed with Bistay Goitom and others.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Can you please tell us more about Dr. Iyob as in what his academic background was and what was he accused of to be thrown to the dungeon and ultimately killed.

            Moreover, If ELF was more open in terms of granting freedom of speech among the ordinary fighters and allowed the fighters to get married, one can not say, ELF and EPLF were ideologically and socially the same. What say you?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            1- Dr Eyob was educated in the former USSR In Geology. He was working as a geologist in the ministry of mines in Addis. He joined the front in 1972. In Addis he was the editor of “tihisha” a monthly magazine focusing in mobilizing the Eritreans.

            2- He was accused of being saying that ELF and Hizbawihailetat (ELF-PF) at that time. He brought this issue when the public was pushing for unity of the two organizations. It was also at the time ELF was demanding for “complete unity” through National Congress and ELF-PF was asking for “united front”.

            3- Regarding on the “difference” Dr Eyob was referring, ditto to a reply I gave to Hailat. I agree with Dr Eyob’s assessment.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Thank you so much for the detailed response. He was a gem and was killed by a rusted, useless and cheap metal so were thousands others.

            I dedicate this Armenian folk song to those who unjustly killed including the hundreds of Eritreans who perished in the high seas and deserts to make it to freedom. The folk song is called “Dle Yaman.” It is believed to had been composed in 1830s and they say, the closest meaning to it is “Deep lose and sorrow.” The song was later on reinvented as a national lamentation of the Armenian genocide.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0r0CZamqK4

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Unfortunately, the Eritrean revolution (especially on the EPLF side) took the lives of some of the best minds, our nation could offer – and all not in the battles of war, but in the bloody hand of their leadership. When a “noble cause” became corrupted, it takes the lives “the best of the best.” We will remember them with our martyrs, though the cruel regime did not included them in the martyrs book. Thank you for the song.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Emma,
            Dr. Eyob was mentioned so many times on MeKaE vs Yemen liquidation.
            Recently, he was on Jstudio and also I have seen his sisters on YouTube talking about him and it was so sad to hear their ordeal.

            People keep forgetting Isayass’s plan for joining the fighting: to liquidate Jebha and spoil the revolution then. His main goal was Eritrea to stay annexed.
            How did he do that? By liquidating educated, smart, and brave Eritreans, just Like Dr. Eyob. Then, assign the job to ጨጓር ዳንጋታት to do his dirty job. When the task is completed, he keep coming up with ወገናውያን: ኣድሓርሓርቲ: ትሕተ፡ ሃገራውያን, when in fact he is the one with no Hager that we call Hagerna.

            I can’t believe there are some people still fall into his evil tricks, willingly.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sorry Emma,
            It seems I was confused because I had Dr. Adhanom of WHO, the ex-Ethiopian minister. My mistake.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            You are probably talking of Jerome Pouly. I couldn’t get photos he took very easily on the web. But you can get from Getty images. Here is a picture taken by Benoit in 1977. I think you are in the center wearing fancy glasses and Kufi hat.
            You should exceptionally allow this link.
            https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/erythr%C3%A9e-ethiopie-juin-1977-la-guerre-dind%C3%A9pendance-de-news-photo/1054201696

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks Haile,
            It’s certainly not me and I couldn’t say who that was, IU do not know the Jerome’s last but if you would find him for me, you would secure a place in heaven 🙂 But beware, we hated each others guts. His English was very bad (imagine, worse than mine at the time:-). It’s a long story fir for an episode. Please try to locate him, he should have the photos of the last two Americans taken out by the ELF and we met them in Adi Tekhlai. If you find him, mention Gweynne Roberts and Nicholas Downey, bis companions.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            If you search Erythree (Eritrea in french) on the getty-image page in the provided link, you will find a total of 192 images taken by french photographers and journalists. You certainly will find people you know.
            BTW, I don’t live there now.
            Best

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            May be not what you are looking for but you have not changed a bit.

            https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8KYnzA-c3rA/VQkZR_ruDqI/AAAAAAAAApU/C9RM0WT5WI4/s1600/ELF-with-hostages-2-nov-1975.jpg

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            You mean the guy with glasses on? Seriously though, I don’t see Aya Saleh in the pic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I think I need glasses. I thought he was the guy kalashin teHangitu zelo (but Saleh said he is Kemal Mohammed Ali).

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            No Berhe,
            I was there when the picture was taken but I am not in it. Extreme left, not fully captured is the commander of the ELF military in Hamassen, Hamid Mahmoud, fourth from left, Afro, is Kemal Mohammed Ali, Standing on the door with a pistol is Ephrem, the leader of the team. And the two Americans who were taken from the Kagnew station..

          • Haile S.
          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You are very resourceful. How ever the second link can not be opened.

          • Haile S.

            Thank you Emma,
            I corrected/edited it. This is one of the early photos of Eritrea during its formation period.
            Before I get reproached for abusing the forum with links, here is a great photo of Ahmed Nasser.
            https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/ahmed-nasser-president-of-the-liberation-front-of-eritrea-news-photo/162556075

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile and Amanuel

            the quality and of depth the (getty) pictures is impressive.

            Amanuel: Is there a centralized archive of ELF’s literature/pictures/videos?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            There are volunteers from ELF veterans who are trying to compile ELF’s history (building digitalized archive that comprises literature and pictures). If you are interested contact Dr Ghermai Negash and Dr Angesom and I could find their phone numbers for you. They encourage other ELFites to join them in their endeavors. They convene every year to collect infos.

          • Paulos

            ኣያይ,

            ምስማዕ’ዳኣ ኣቢኻና’ምበር፣ ለንቅነ ሸታሕታሕ ኢኻ ትብል ዘለኻ 😂.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Emma,

          Thank you for your prompt response. I hope he said something on how to go forward for us to get interested.
          Was Dr Iyob related to Ararat? Did you agree with him when he said ELF & EPLF are ideologically the same? Was the difference in the application on killing or on sothing else?
          A general question that crystallizes from the past to present and future, regarding Eritrea. PFDJ has YPFDJ, TPLF (its hands are not off Eritrea yet) has Agazian movement & affiliates who get exposure through TPLF-media-house. Who does ELF has?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            1- Dr Eyob is not related to Ararat (rip)
            2- Yes I agree that they had the same ideological principles.

            3- The difference he was referring to, was the “new democracy” EPLFites was practicing and “non-capitalist socialist development” ELFites we’re practicing.

            4- Since I am not involved with the splinter organizations of ELF, I don’t know, and I don’t think to have any sort of the kind you are looking to satisfy your inquiry.

    • Nitricc

      “ህግደፍ መቀጸልታ ህግ’ዩ:: ክልተኦም ከአ ብዓንተብኡ ቀተልቲ እዮም”::

      So he is admitting he was a killer? what a stupid person. He is incrementing himself. I normally have a tone of respect for anyone who gave his time for her or his country. However; I can NOT STAND this goon. It is absolutely fine for one person to stand for what he-she thought was right and then to change their mind but why trash everyone and worst bend for TPLF? The worst of worst is getting kicked out by TPLF thugs, if that doesn’t shock you I don’t know what will. This man is a loser and grudge driven lunatic. I wouldn’t spend a second to listen this loser.

      • Saleh Johar

        Nitriccs,
        Do you believe all the tens of thousands of combatants who participated in some of the crimes committed within the organizations are implicated by association? Before you answer, remember that includes the top guys–including Isaias 🙂

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ሰብ ዓዋተ
    ‘ስኻትኩም ብረጋቢት ክትዛረቡ
    ሓውኹም ኣብ ኤርትራ ብስቓይ ሞይተ

    ሊላ ‘ዶ ኣሞራ
    ክትብሉ
    እነሀኹልኩም ክሳደይ ኣብ ካራ
    ተቐርቂራ

    ወረ ሓንሳብ ሲ ዓዓ: ዓዕያ: ደርሆ መቋ
    ክትብሉ ‘ዛልበይ ሞሊቓ
    ኤረትራ ‘ሞ ዳርጋ ተሸሪፋ: ፍርቃ
    ሂበኩም ኣለኹ ኢልዎም ህዝቢ ከይመረቓ
    የእትዋ ‘ሎ ዓለም-ባቃ
    ‘ንታይ ‘ዩ ኔሩ መርገም ናይ ኣፍሪቃ?

    ኣንቱም ምሁራት! ካብ ኩሉ ኣንቱም ምሁራት
    ጸገም ሃገርና ክፈትሑ ዝኽእሉ ስልትታት
    ኣነጺሮም ዝገልጹ ስእልታት
    ኣብ ክንዲ ምብልሓት
    እንታይ ኣምጸኦ መስመርካ ምስሓት
    ኣይ ብሰንኩ ‘ንድዮም በዓል ስብሓት
    ከምዘይነበሩ ዝኾኑ ብሓንቲ ረፋድ ጊሓት
    ዕድል ከፊትናሉ ብምሉኣ ዓዲ ምብሓት
    ገበረና ‘ባ [ኣምብሬዛ] መስሓቕ ሸራፋት

    ኣንታ ሊሎ
    ‘ንታይ ገበርናካ ምሁራን ዓዋተ ሸንኮለል ተብሎ?

    ኣቲ ቐደም ጨቓዊተይ ከምዘይመንጠልካ
    እምበኣር ነዞም ሊቃውንቲ ዓዋተ ኣሽኪዕካ
    ኮለል ኣበልካዮም ኣብ መደበርካ
    ወረ ‘ንታ’ዩ ጉድካ?

    ኣታ ወዲ! ‘ት ኮረና ‘ንዶ ክፈቶ። ‘ዞም ሰብ ባራት ሃገርና ዋላ ኣይማዕበሉን በጃኻ ኢለካ።

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    As it happens, today is the 74th birthday of our great leader His Excellency President Isaias Afwerki. Those who adore him, wish him a long and healthy life and those who abhor him, curse the day he was born.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I never thought coronavirus will make it to Axsum before Addis. Well, I have one prayer; God save the people of Ethiopia. since you don’t have a government that care and protect you. instead shutting down China to Addis flights, here is what they say.
    “የኢትዮጲያ አየር መንገድ ማኔጅመንት ባወጣው መግለጫ፤ የቻይና በረራ ይቋረጥ የሚሉ ሰዎችን “ቀልደኞች” ያላቸው ሲሆን “ኮሮና ቫይረስ ራሱ ሙሉ ሂሳብ ከፍሎ ትኬት ቆርጦ ከመጣ እናሳፍረዋለን” ብሏል።”

    ምንጭ:- ዋልታ ቲቪ

  • Brhan

    US Eritrea Travel ban…the US visa officers are not happy with Eritreans!
    In 2016 and 2017 the US issued hundreds of tourist visas to Eritreans living in the Gulf States, mainly in Saudi Arabia and even to Eritreans living inside Eritrea. But the majority of these Eritrean ended up in Canada and claimed refugee status. Technically a person travels to any US city and sooner, including in go to New York and cross to Canada via Quebec. Canada has been accepting Eritreans due to the ongoing SAWA/ unlimited national service.

    I believe the US, even though did not mention this in the communique of the ban , it strongly sees that Eritreans when they approach US embassies for a tourist visa they mean Canada. Even Nigerians used this way of coming to Canada.

    The travel ban will be lifted when Eritreans find freedom , democracy and rule of law in their country and this will be achieved with the regime change in Eritrea.

    • bardavidi

      Hi Brhan…….I liked the way you Summed it up………………………Selah

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ

    ኣተሓሳሲቡኒ ትርጉም ናይ ምንባረይ
    ይርደኣኒ ‘ዩ ኣብ ዓለም ምፍጣረይ
    መዓስ ኮይነ በይነይ
    ከም ሰበይ

    ግን
    ኣብዛ ዓለም ተፈጢረ
    ንፍጡር ወዲ-ሰብ ግን ‘ንታይ ጌረ?

    ‘ንታይ ኣበርኪተላ ክሓልፍ
    ኣብ ዝብል ሓሳባት ከንሳፍፍ
    ውረድ-ደይብ ይብል ኣይከኣልኩን ከዕርፍ
    ———-ሓንሳብ ሓንሳብሲ ናብ ባጽዕ ኣንቆልቁል
    ይመጸኒ መራክብ ከራግፍ
    ምስ ረአኹ ረሃጸይ ክሃፍፍ
    ———ሓድሽ ሓሳብ ተበለኒ ቅጅል
    ———እዝን ወድ ኸምዝን ክሓስብ ይውዕል
    ———ብሓሳባት ጥራይ ‘ንደሞ ሓሊፉ መዋእል
    ———ተገራጭውቲ ሓረጋት ኣብ ሓንጎለይ ስእል

    ሰብሲ ከምዚ ጌሩ ሓሊፉ
    ናይ ‘ማኢት-ኣሽሓት ኣብ ስራሕ ኣሰሊፉ
    መታን ሃገሩ ክትምዕብል ሃሪፉ

    ዜጋታት ኣማዕቢሉ
    ክብረት-ሃገር ክብ ኣቢሉ
    ድኽነትን ዕግርግርን ኣዝዩ ኣጉዲሉ
    ሰለማውን ተዓጻጻፍን ስነ-ሓስብ ተኺሉ
    ናይ ዜጋታቱ ኣእምራውን-ኣካላውን ቁስሉ

    ሓኺኹ
    ስቅያቶም ኣምኪኹ
    ሓሊፉ

    ንተተባህለም ምበር
    ኡስ-ኢልካ ‘ዶ ኣብዛ ዓለም ይንበር
    ሃየ! ደኣ ገለ ንግበር

    ባባ ክብል ጀሚሩ ቆልዓ: ቻው

    • Paulos

      ማሃንድሳይ,

      Your poignant poem cuts deep into “Existential or Existentialism” philosophy. Maybe will comment on it sometime in the coming weeks, God willing that is. ኣየሕበጥካናንዶ ሕጅስ ከይትብለኒ’ምበር።

  • said

    Greetings,

    Great humanist and good doer Leila Janah passed away yesterday , Entrepreneur and founder of Samasource Who Hired the Poorest and largest employers in East Africa , Dies at age of 37
    Ms. Janah employed and helped fifty thousands of desperately poor people in East Africa, Kenny .Uganda and India in the belief that jobs, not handouts, offered the best escape from poverty. Leila had a vision about bringing the dignity of work and the promise of a living wage to the world’s most vulnerable,” At least half the people hired by Samasource are women, During high school, she went to a rural area of Ghana as part of an international student exchange program to teach blind children; she learned Braille while she was there. ‘Champion for environmental sustainability and ending global poverty'”Her commitment to creating a better world was unparalleled. The ripple effects of her work will be felt for generations,”
    According to the company’s website, it is one of the largest employers in East Africa and has helped more than 50,000 people lift themselves out of poverty. Leila was also the founder and CEO of LXMI, a fair-trade, organic skin care company, and Samaschool, a nonprofit organization that trains people in digital skills, according to Samasource https://www.samasource.com/company-announcement
    Her Quotation “I had never experienced anything like the poverty I saw there,” she said in an interview with Hearts on Fire, an organization devoted to social change. “It helped me to understand how poverty oppresses people.” She is being covered first page New York time and many news paper
    See the link https://www.dentonnewspaper.com/leila-janah-entrepreneur-who-hired-the-poor-dies-tt-37

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Hailat & all,

    There are two links below: the first link is the village I grew up early on in my childhood. The village is situated in the high plateau of Tselema. What you will see is the topography of the village on the side of the chain mountains. You will also see a sister who resides now in Germany worked hard with the German NGO to get fund for the construction of water reservoir and the solar power. The second link is a friend of Eritrea and Eritreans talking about the Eritrean people.

    (A) https://youtu.be/emCDdG07z6g

    (B) https://youtu.be/wkGf3nBWF9g

    • Abi

      Hello Ato Amanuel
      Listen to ወዲ ሰንአፈ at 3.15 mark. He sounds like General Nitricc. The difference between the two is Nitricc has never been to Eritrea.
      To be honest with you he sounds like a typical PFDJ at the highest level. Like one of the big guys…

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      Many thanks for the links. I won’t blame you if you’re nostalgic for the scenery is not only a throw back into your childhood years but it’s organic state is an envy in a world filled with superficiality.

      Progress as you know is generational where the present generation is expected to be better off than the previous generation but in PFDJ’s Eritrea, women are breaking back as they carry gallons of water for miles as their mothers did the same. So much for ብጽፍርና!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ዶተረ:

        ብጽፍርና ይብሉ ዓያሹ
        ዶ ዋላስ ብጽልኢ ሃገር ንኸፍርሱ?
        ንዝተሰርሐ ‘ንዳፍረሱ
        ዜጋታት ሰጒጎም ከምዘይምለሱ
        ኣርዑት ኣሲሮም ከምዘይሓርሱ

        ኣብ ቅርዓት ወጺኦም ሓገዝ ኣይንደልን ይብሉ
        ኣብ ጸልማት ግን ንኣውሮጳ ኮነ ሃገራት የዕራብ ይድውሉ
        ምልስ ኢሎም ሓገዝ ከምዘይረኸቡ ይምሕሉ
        ንሰብ ከታልሉ
        ሰብ ግን ቀቢጹዎም
        ኮይኑ ተሪፉ ካብ ባዕሉ
        ‘ንታይ ይግበር ኮይኑ ተማህለሉ

    • Haile S.

      Selam Emma,

      Thank you for sharing these. I saw the images only, I am on a noisy area, will do later. A shiver of nostalgia went under my skin when I saw our land and people as I usually do when I see similar images. The Eritrean lady who pushed for this project is exemplary. When such efforts are done by individual’s or group/village’s drive, it is very encouraging. The problem is, as you well know, when a government does it as a policy by obliging the young service men and women for extremely prolonged time, instead of pushing them to develop individual initiative and development first.

      When was this done. I used google earth to locate the village and I think I did. I can even see what looks like the round reservoir on the side of that conical hill. Your village is not that far from the land of Gonay (ጎናይ)።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        The lady that pushed for the project is my relative, as you could see her getting an award from the villagers. Despite I was following the project through my sis, I was not sure about it until it is finished and started it’s service. Like many houses on construction still unfinished this days hanging for years, for the reasons you know well, I wasn’t sure on this project too. Lucky my villagers they have it. Like what you have said, the images and circumstances they are living in, could give us a shiver of nostalgia. I did not see my village since 1973.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        Addendum: You are right that my village is not far from Hurete-una where the story of Gobay and the mountains of Embelalah is narrated by the inhabitants. Here is the narration from the inhabitants and the song about it in the link below.

        https://youtu.be/53Xb2qEQKgI

        • Hashela

          Thank you for providing the link.

          What a landscape! Every geology professor would dream to take his students there. Rapid subsurface cooling of basaltic magma and a gradual exhumation gives raise to the columnar structures of the rocks.

          What struck me is that the reporter/narrator does not know the difference between ራውያ and ኣሞራ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            My first employment after graduation was a junior chemist in the
            Ministry of mines of Ethiopia at Addis, in early 70s. The specific job was rock analysis (quantitatively and qualitatively) that are brought by geologists ( Just to mention some Eritrean geologist: Dr Eyob, Temesgen, Asgedom, Gebreab) from all part of Ethiopia. When I see this clip and the nature of the rocks and the dispersal of our professionals all over the world, it pains my stomach. Just think about all Eritrean professionals in every thinkable field all over the world. What a waste to our country.

          • Hashela

            It is not without a reason that Tamarat explicitly thanked IA for emptying our land of its capable Professionals. It is a slow death of a previously promising nation.

            It is interesting to know that you worked as a (geo)chemist.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          This is beautiful, Prof. Emma!
          ጎቦታት ኣፍ ተዝነብሮም: ብጽባቐ ናይዛ ጎቦ ምደረፉላ ኔሮም።
          ማለተይሲ ቅርጺ ኣክላታኪ ገለመለታት…. ዝዓይነቱ።

        • Haile S.

          Hi Emma, Hashela & all,

          Emma, yes I saw that video and I talked about it a week or so ago. It is a beautiful place.

          Hashela, both ራውያ and especially ኣሞራ are interchangeably used for several types of Vultures and even eagles. But I think ራውያ could specifically apply to the bearded vultures aka Lammergeier. Its scientific name Gypaetus barbatus. ኣሞራ is generally used more commonly to the Griffon vulture and Ruppel’s vulture. Eduard Ruppel is the first european naturalist who extensively described Abyssinian fauna in the 1830s.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            Since Eagle and vulture two different species I am a bit surprised that ራውያ and ኣሞራ is used interchangeably for both birds. In the region I grew up ራውያ is eagle and ኣሞራ is vulture.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            What does LIlo feed on. And what’s its scientific name. I find many in the internet that look like it but i am not sure.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            ሊላይ (ሊሎ) and ራውያ are used interchangeably for eagle

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela, Paul et all,

            Hashela, now you brought great information. I don’t know if ሊላይ is same as ሊሎ, but if different and synonym to ራውያ and if both are assumed to refer to the same animal and suspected of eating ማሕስእ, ማንትለ, and ግሔ, then we have the response, as I suspected. The bird that is known to pick such live large animals is the barbed vulture or Lammergeier. Abrehet lost one of the lambs she was herding because of this mighty bird 🙂 🙂 . It is also the only bird that can crack bone to strip-out its favorite food, the bone marrow.
            Thank you for your suggestion. It is one of the plans, the brain willing!

            Paul, you are right. Vultures are more regional but some can fly long distances.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            Brain willing is original and typical of Hailat!

            Thank you again. What is ራውያ? Is it ኳኽ as in a Crow?

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            Come to the front of the class, stay in the corner and kneel down! :-). After saying all these of ራውያ, you are confusing it with crow? 🙂
            You reminded me of a boy in my grade one students in my first few months of teaching profession. He was so brilliant that he deliberately made mistakes to look like the rest. One day he raises his hands. I ask him what he wants. He says I peed on my pants. And immediately the girl sitting beside him raises her hand and says, he didn’t pee, he put water from his bottle. I brought him in front of the class in the corner. The reason was he was bored of learning what he already knows and wanted to go out. I called his mother the next days and she tells me so many tricks he played on her at home. One day he brought her a passer-by priest from the street saying there is ጸበል (ጠበል for Abi) at home.

          • Abi

            Hello ጋሽ ኃይለ
            You sound like my 8th grade Amharic teacher.
            ና አንተ ወስላታ ፊትህን አዙረህ ተንበርከክ!

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS, Hashela and all,
            The closest bird to the Lilo that I found is the “Marabou Stork bird” from Kenya. But it’s a migrating bird, maybe it migrated to Eritrea seasonally. Google the following:

            (Marabou Stork bird birds Nairobi kenya east africa)

            I think it fed on . insects.

            Hashela, you should know this because it’s a seasonal native of the region.

          • Haile S.

            Selam saleh,

            The ሊሎ I know and also described by naturalists who studied our region is a kite (Milvus migrans) different than storks. Lack of other specific name, people may call a bird by the mame of another bird, but Marabout stork is different. It belongs to the family of birds known as storks. ራዛ the saddle billed stork belong to this family. Other white and black storks are known as ዓዓ or ዓዕያ (not necessarily Marabou) in tigrigna. The name comes likely from the noise they emit.

            Let me ask you and and Awate people if you ever heard a bird by the name of ደርሆመቋ. I found the name in a french travelers book, but the author does not give precise description of it or a foreign name.

          • Paulos

            መምህር ሃይላት,

            ሕጅስ ክጣራጠር ጀሚረ፣ መምህረይ ኔርካ’ዳኣ ከይትኸውን፣ ምኽንያቱ እቲ ዝበልካዮ ቖልዓ ብብዙሕ ነገር ምሳይ ይማሳሰል’ዩ ብጀካ ካብ ቀዳማይ ክፍሊ ክሳብ ሓምሻይ ክፍሊ፣ ፈዛዝን፣ ላህዛዝን፣ ነፋጥን፣ ሃማምን…….እየ ኔረ። ዳሓር ኣደይ እዚ ወደይሲ ናይ ኣብኡ ስራሕ ባዓል ካሮሳ ኮይኑ ክተርፍ’ዩ ኢላ ናብ “ማይ ውዑይ” ወሲዳ የሕጺባትኒ፣ ድሕሪኡ፣ ብዙሕ ተማሓይሸ ማለት ካብ ክላስ ጭራ ዝወጽእ ዝነበርኩ ደጋፍ-ጭራ ክወጽእ ጀሚረ።

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            When I was a young boy, my father was jailed and myself and my brother became bird catchers to help with the living costs. I can name many birds by their local names. On the the latin and scientific classification, I know nothing. I googled equatorial, migrating, pick birds, etc and I found the one I mentioned close to Lilo. I never heard of ዓዓ, ዓዕያ orደርሆመቋ before now.

            It seems if you can’t identify it, and Hashela fails, I may conclude it was only migrated seasonly to the Keren region. They mainly nested on Gaba trees to lay eggs and stayed until the eggs hatched. I am working on a story of Lilio and that is why I need the commonly known name for the bird. I will appreciate further info from anyone.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            Marabou stork exist in Eritrea. But I am not aware of a specific name to it. Since it is a stork and looks like the other storks, I am saying, we can call it ዓዓ or ደብተራ (Marabou)-ዓዓ። The black and white bird you described earlier looks like the Abdim stork, present in Eritrea as well. Will continue later for other possibilities…

          • Paulos

            Ayay,

            It is funny, I was just gonna ask you if you could do a video on birds particularly on Lilo-s and Amora-s. Of course not like a lecture type but in your kind of style as in story telling.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            You are stretching my orinthological knowledge.

            I know exactly what kind of bird yo have in mind. I don’t remember its name, I am tormented because “it is sitting on tongue”!. They seasonally settled around Keren, Engerne, Hagaz and as far as Aderde!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela and Saleh,

            Hashela, don’t swallow it. We risk loosing it forever.
            Are you guys looking for Bustard?

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile
            We know that you, as a biologist, are more worried about that da-n bird than your forum colleagues! Did it occur to you that I could die while accidentally swallowing the name of the bird?

          • Haile S.

            Hashela and Saleh +++,

            Hashela, ዋይ ኣነ ዕደ! እንታይ ድ’የ ኢለ? ትጉሽተተይ! እታ ለተክሪስቲና ኸ ከመይ ክትከውን? ይቕሬታ ዝሓወይ!

            Saleh, Bustard is one of the most beautiful fluffy and elegant birds. ዳሕራዩ ይገድድ ድኣ ካይትብለኒ እምበር። certain Tigre dances looks like the dances of Bustard especially when it folds back its neck. I don’t know who copied from whom. Check it on on Youtube.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela, Saleh & all,

            You can’t win an argument against a biologist on this matter, unless another biologist show up to disprove him. As a biologist he has the upper say on the subject matter. Just an opinion.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,

            Thank you for the confidence. I am an atypical amateur ornitho (I will not dare add the -logist) more interested in east african fauna than anywhere else and read a lot about, historically and that is what drove me to read a lot of Abyssinian and Eritrean history. Otherwise I am a little closer to you professionally than others that I was able to guess or know and that will be for another time. Don’t insist please. For your confidence I have chosen for you the splendid bird, the starling, the ኩሕለይቲ ዋሪ that you know very well! Thanks again.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            አሽኪዕካና! እዚ ኩሉ ዓመታት ከም ባዮሎጂስት ከነንብበካ ከሎና ምንም ምልክት አይሃብካናን:: አብርእሲኡ ድማ አፍልጦኻ ኣብ ሓሳኹን: ለመመትን: አዕዋፍን: እንስሳታትን (ዜቤታዊ ይኹኑ ዘገዳም) ብጣዕሚ ዓሙቅ ብምኻኑ እቲ ስም አጠሚቅናካ:: ሕጂሞ እቲ ፕሮፌሽን ናትካ ብግልጺ ምሕባር የድልየካ አሎ:: ክሳዕ ሕጂ ዝተደናገርናሉ ይአክል::

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma (ayfalkan) and HaileS,

            I know Lilo and we called it Lilo and that’s the last say 🙂 And it’s not an argument, but a question that is not answered.

            I still want to know its scientific/Latin name and that’s why I asked. On this one, wela kulukhum chemistsn bilogiosttn taakibkum last say zbahal yelen.

            Haile, the dance is called “Sheleel”, the Blina also do that dance.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            From my reading, Hailat seems the one who could address your inquiry. In any case I am also familiar with lilo. But I am not good in comparing and contrasting the various birds. Good luck with Hailat,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh, Emma and all,

            Saleh, let me try again. I had to go check another german naturalist who visited Keren and the Bogos area and described the fauna in details. Theodor Von Heuglin is the naturalist whose name was given to several species among which is the Eritrean Gazelle or Heuglin’s Gazelle that was rediscovered some months ago and widely announced by the Eritrean regime. So Heuglin described a kite (ሊሎ) that is black and white known as Scissor-tailed kite. It is a kite like the ሊሎ that I talked earlier in the day, the most common in our country BTW. This one looks the one you are taking in color, but it has a small beak like kites and is very different than the storks. Please google Scissor-tailed kite and check if that was what you were looking for.

            Emma, I am still a biologist. We will have time to talk about what we do, in the future, in NY or New Asmara or Halhale, hopefully! I have been to Halhale for passagio in 1973/4 when I was 7th grade. it is a beautiful place. Passagio (picnic) stopped after that year when the armed forces started revolting. The change of 1974 in Ethiopia started in Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh HaileS,
            I am sorry. I thought this would do it, but no. It didn’t. The smallest of the kite is what we call TsembelaliE (that’s its name, forget about Latin 🙂 and it is way smaller than Lilo which is more than a foot hight and it has a long peak, not as long as the pelican, but long enough–I would guess about 6 to 8 inches long.

            The scissors kite is well known and it is fast and flies low, less than meter high above the ground and flies fast through the town streets swerving miraculously before it hits something. Talk about a natural acrobatic pilot. It always perched on electric wires and around the poles. But its kite shaped tail came to my memory immediately. But I see many types of it, our TsembelaliE is very small not bigger that Barbarella or Fntig, or qcha-Aterai, or TeeToo (want more:-) and these are the small birds that are not attractive for homes and private gardens. They were sold to the snake farm to feed the reptiles. That is to say, they are not longer that 5 inches, I am guessing.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh and Hashela

            As a last resort, please search in wikipedia “list of birds of Eritrea”, (I just discovered it). Then check the category ‘hawks kites and eagles’. Then click on every specie listed there and look the images to compare with the one you have in mind. If you don’t find it there, check under the other categories like Secretary bird (ፈረስ ሰይጣን), Hammerkop, Ground-horbills (ኣባጉንባሕ) and Hornbills (ኣዝማድ ኣባጉንባሕ), Ibises and spoonbills, etc etc.
            If it is not there, you are looking for Phoenix,. Look in greek mythology.

            በሉ ኣብዚ ኣርእስቲ ብዙሕ ለፍሊፈ፡ ይኣኽለኒ
            ኣዛሪብኩም መግጠምያ መሃንዲስ ክትገብሩኒ?
            ዓንጽዓንጾ ኢሳያስ ርእሰይ እኮ በለኒ!
            ብዘይደንጎላ ብዘይእምኒ

            እንታይ ድኣ? ብዑፍ ብጭሩ
            ብእምበላይ፡ ብጢጡ፡ ብፋሕሩ
            ብክንቲት ደርሆ ጻሓቲሩ ፋሓቲሩ

            ንምዃኑ ኣነ በዳሊ ምስ ብጾተይ፡ ይዝነበኒ!
            ካብ ነዊሕ ድቃሰይ እንተኣበራበረኒ

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Haile and Hashela,

            Finally I believe I found it:Google the following

            African Woollyneck (Ciconia microscelis) | HBW Alive

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            This is a stork, ዓሌት ራዛ, I talked about yesterday close to Marabou stork you brought to the discussion. It is different than kite, which is a bird of prey. Birds of prey feed on vertebrates. Storks are not birds of prey, although sometimes eat rodents. They usually eat insects, frogs, lizards… The ሊሎ (kite) that most of us know except Saleh, Hashela and perhaps other ደቂ ከረን ጻዕዳ ጣፍ, is a bird of prey. Finally our illusive ሊሎ is not a kite if we agree on the usage of ሊሎ to a bird of prey.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            You were fine! You calling our bird a bastard, hiding it with u in stead of an a that you wanted to spell? Diqala? Are you as mad as I am Hashela? This is an insult to the nation.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Hashels,
            Lilo doesn’t feed on meat I just suspected insects. I grew up watching them and they used to nest on the gaba trees in the neighborhood of Keren. We knew the seasons for the migrated to Keren to lay eggs and stayed until the chicks could fly. What they ate is a mystery to me and I think you are talking of a different bird. Its shape is like the pelican but much smaller maybe a foot and half when perched on the tree. It’s back is black and its belly white with a long ouch just like the pelican. I have to find it’s picture

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh & Hashela,

            ሊሎ scientific name is Milvus migrans. Ildepending on the area it lives, it feeds on small animals like rodents. It feeds also on dead animals.
            Hashela, the bearded vulture physically is different than the other long necked vultures. If you have stories on ራውያ that you know of and share, it will help to pinpoint the identification.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Thank you so much for the lesson. I grew up watching ሊሎ but never paid attention what it fed on much less its scientific name. Thank you again.

            Would you say, Bereket Mengisteab got it wrong when the lyrics say: ኣሞራ ተዝኸውንየ ኣሞራ ተዝኸውን ዓለም ክዛወርየ….for ኣሞራs hardly fly across continents but other types of birds do?

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            You are right, they are several subspecies or species. Isn’t scavenging of dead animal common to all vultures?

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            What is needed is a pictorial books of our fauna and flora including their regional varying names in our languages. Maybe there are books that I am not aware of. If not, wouldn’t be This a wonderful retirement project 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Your knowledge on animal kingdom, birds, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species is very interesting.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Hashela and Hailat,

            My knowledge of birds hardly goes beyond reciting the names of a few common species (varieties) I saw or heard of as a child — i.e., those that existed when and where I grew up. I remember my Grade 2 or Grade 3 class teacher leading my class in a memorization drill when we, the students would shout in unison “ንጉስ ኣዕዋፍ ንስሪ ይበሃል!“ I therefore always understood ‘ንስሪ’ to mean eagle. So, if ራውያ or ኣሞራ means eagle, what kind of a bird would the name ‘ንስሪ’ refer to? And what would be its equivalent term in English?

            Thank you

          • Haile S.

            Selam Yohannes,

            Great point bringing ንስሪ. Eagle is ንስሪ, the kind of American eagle, just to visualize. What I was trying to say is people use them interchangeably.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Hi Emma,
      Thank you for bringing these links.
      Let me concentrate on the positive side (this is foreign to me). First, congrats to Deqi TsunAy. I was surprised hgdf was ok with this. Remember the St. Gergio school thing?
      To my surprise though is that I was telling a friend how to fix Eritrean villages water & electricity problem and this was almost exactly like mine. I had no idea it was already implemented.
      One of those guys who gives a speech to the villagers is no longer with us. Sad.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Mehandsay,

        You are right the money collected from the Alumnus of st George students, for renovating the school is still on hold in a bank. The regime asked them to put the money in its coffers. The good thing about it is that the committee did not allow to release the money to the regime. Regarding the project of our village, I was still in disbelief until it start to the service of the village. I know this things is part of your expertise. ኣንታ ማሃንድሳይ ኣይትብከ እንድዩ ዘብክየኒ:: እቲ ኹሉ ዓቅሚ ፍልጠት ህዝብና ፋሕ ኢሉ አፍቅዶ ዓለም: ህዝብና ከአ ኣብ ኣጻምእን ሕሰምን ተደርብዩ ክርእዮ ከለኹ ሕማም መርዘን’ዩ ዝሕዘኒ:: ዘገርምን ዘሔዝንን እዩ:: ኣንጻር ባህሪ ዝቃለስ ዓቅሚ ፍልጠት’ኮ አጥሪና ኔይርና ኢና::

    • iSem

      Hi Emma
      Thanks so much for the links and kudus to the sister and NGO who somehow twisted the hand of PFDJ to build the water res to relieve the women from carrying water. I wonder if PFDJ has not shut it down by now
      Two people in the video, Nurhussien and Tsigereda are dead now, the first who was an IA stooge was killed by PFDJ in connection with the Forto incident. Tsigereda a veteran of ghedli , they said she died due to illness, but in a country with no autopsy and accountability who know how she died.
      On the so called friend of Eritrea, self proclaimed as that, though he kept invoking Eritreans, I think he conflated Eriterans and Eritrea with their rulers. Though he wished us well, and am sure he feels for Eritrea as his birth place, but he seems to have confidence in the direction of the government, his comment of self reliance and that Eritrea are building their own brand of democracy is baloney. He does not have to oppose openly the government, but I find his yblog condescending and pfdjsue. I have not heard of him before, but from this seemingly beinign comment can discern that he is a supporter of what the government is doing. Eritreans are systematically cleansed, forced to abandon their country and he is telling us we should have faith on what “Eritrean” has embarked upon and ignore the dangerous path the country is taking

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Emma,

      Thank you Very much for sharing. I know your village very well. Anta azmad eina gdi.

      Berhe

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Berhe,

        who knows, Berhe. I will pay a visit to Toronto one day and we will discuss about it.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aman H,
      Worthy work deserves celebration and gratitude to all involved. Thank you for sharing the links.

  • Paulos

    Selam ማሃንድሳይ and Awatistas,

    Entropy and Insanity.

    ማሃንድሳይ–መቸም ጆቫኖቶ ከለኻ ጆንትራ ተቐምቂምካ ናይ ሚካኤል ጃክሰን sleeve-less ጃካቲና ወዲኻ፣ class ቀጢዕኻ ኣብ ቤት ሻሂ ሂወት ወይካኣ ቤት ሻሂ ሰናይ ጆተነ ወይካኣ ካልቾፓሊና ክትጻወት ትውዕል ስለዝነበርካ፣ ኣብኡ ወርትግ እቶም ዓማዊል “ኣብዚኣ ግዳ ሓንቲ ውዒቲ ሻሂ…” ክብሉ ትሰምዕ ኔርካ፣ ሓደሐደ ማዓልቲ ግን፣ ሓደ ሃይላት ዝተባህለ ወዲ፣ መጽሓፍ ዝንበብ ሒዙ ኣብ ጸግዒ ኮፍ ይብል ነበረ፣ ሓደ ማዓልቲ ንነብሱ “ንምንታይ እያ እዛ ውዒቲ ሻሂ ምንም ነገር ከይወሰኽካላ ባዕላ ትዝሕል፣ ግን ምስ ዛሓለት ካኣ ምንም ነገር ከይገበርካላ ወይካኣ ከይወሰኽካላ ባዕላ ዘይትውዕይ” ኢሉ ሓተተ።

    Hailat’s enquiry is simple and yet profound that had changed 19th Century Physics for good. We are getting ahead of ourselves though.

    I was going to start with the “French Revolution” but I am afraid I would run into trouble where I have decided to avoid any historical context lest Ato Saleh Johar and his posse’ “Peace” get vexed if not uncomfortable. But instead, I would mention in passing the “infamous” Revolution where Robespierre is relevant to the issue at hand. Robespierre had a friend who had a falling out with the High-Priests of the Revolution whose name was Lazare Carnot. Carnot had passion for the great poet Saadi Shirazi. Captured and enslaved at Acre by the Crusaders, Shirazi is the author of those verses that are inscribed at the gate of the headquarters of the United States. Carnot named his first son after Saadi. Sadi Carnot was thus born out of poetry and rebellion.

    When he was young, he developed a passion for Steam Engine which transformed the 19th Century where hitherto fire was used to run things. He imagined wrongly at that, heat as a concrete entity and a kind of fluid that produces energy by falling from hot things to cold just as water in a waterfall produces energy by falling from higher to lower level.

    When Sadi published his ideas about heat, it caught the attention of the then most renowned Prussian Professor named Rudolf Clausius. It was him in the end who grasped the fundamental idea of heat when he theorized that–If nothing else around it changes, heat can not pass from a cold body to hot body. Clausius introduced a profound idea whereby a quantity that measures this irreversible progress of heat [from hot to cold not from cold to hot] in only one direction and, he named the measure of the irreversible quantity—Entropy.

    Clausius’ entropy is indicated by the letter “S” and it is mathematically written as [Delta S > or equal to 0] because the quantity never decreases but it increases in an isolated system or process. And this is essentially “The Second Law of Thermodynamics.” The first law being “The Conservation of Energy.”

    When Entropy and it’s core idea was being introduced to the scientific community, an Austrian with an aura of genius but of an erratic behavior who also had a Bipolar Disorder saw something that every body failed to see the secret behind the veil of Entropy. His name was Ludwig Boltzmann. As we saw earlier, Sadi Carnot thought that heat was a substance–a fluid. He was wrong. Heat, Boltzmann said, is the microscopic agitation of molecules. What was even a tragic coincidence was that, many scientists at that time did not believe in the existence of molecules–an idea that had started in Classical Greek when Democritus first theorized what it was dubbed, “The Atomic theory of Matter.”

    When his ideas about heat were rejected by the scientific community, Boltzmann fell into depression and while his wife and daughter were swimming in the Adriatic sea, he took his own life. It was one of the most tragic incidents with in the annals of history of Science. Before his death however, Boltzmann further elaborated Entropy when he said, there is no way we would know the exact state of every molecule in a hot water, instead we take an averaged quantity of all the water molecules as in “Volume” and “Density” where later on arose a sub-discipline of Physics otherwise known as “Statistical Mechanism” or the core idea in “Physical Chemistry.”

    And he went on to define Entropy in an ingenious way when he said, Entropy is in fact the measure of our inability to know the exact state of every molecule in hot substance, and hence, Entropy is the measure of the hidden information. In the last decades of the 20th Century, Entropy as the measure of the hidden information landed on the mystery of Black-Holes when a brilliant young graduate student in the 70s found a positive correlation between the size of the Event Horizon of a Black-Hole and Entropy as much as Temperature is found to be strongly correlated with Acceleration. [A comment for another time.]

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Paulos,
      Posse! Hmaq mAalti wEilka. Not you on misrepresentation but all goes:-)
      Nay Kal’e HaTiat aytesekmeni. Natey haTiat is enough because I am a sinner like anybody else. 🙂

      • Paulos

        Selam Ayay,

        ሸለል በሎ፣ ክወጻለይ ኢለ ዝበልክዎ እዩ። And kind of venting if you will. We’re cool as they say it in da hood. Glad you liked the comment, well kinda 3/4rs of it. God bless!

    • Abi

      Paul
      Graduate school already?
      I’m dropping out.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Only the first part in Tigrinya is graduate school level. Forgot to tell you what የኸርናይ means. The closest meaning I can think of is, sort of uncertain “future.”

        • Abi

          Paul
          “እንደአቅሚቲ” ይላል ያገሬ አዋቂ (አቢቲ)
          I’m at the back of the class snoozing.
          A man got to know his limits.

    • Haile S.

      ሰላም ፖል፡

      እዚ ፊዚክስ ዝብሃል ኣይመባልዕተይን እዩ። ብሕልፊ እንተ ደሚርካሉ ቸሚስትሪ፡ ንዓይ እዩ መደናገሪ። ኣነ እኮ እዛ Entropy ሲ ተጋግዮም Entropion ክብሉ ድዮም? እንታይ ነገሩ እዩ ኢለ ነይረ። ሕጂ ከኣ፡ ቅርኒብ ዓይኒ፡ ቆርበት ዓይኒ፡ ቁስሊ ወዲ ቁስሊ ክብል እዚ ጳውሎስ ከሕብጠና እዩ ኢለ ፈሪሀ ነይረ።
      በል እዚ ምስጢረ-ሞለክዩል ፍርቁ ተረዲኡኒ። እቲ ዘይተረድኣኒ ግና ነዛ ተሪፋ ዘላ ሓንጎለይ ኣየጨንቓ’የ።
      ጽሑፍካ እንታይ ክወጾ! ከምኡ ቀጽል!

      • Paulos

        Hailat,

        You remind me of my kid brother who studied Social Studies instead and every time I talk to him about stuff in the Sciences, he would say to me, ኣታ ሰብኣይ በጃኻ ኢለካ ኣይተሕብጠና!

        I agree, often times it could be fun but sometimes it could be dry….And thanks much for the encouragement.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dr Paulos,

      Excellent lesson. Keep it up brother. Sometimes we need to switch from politics for a change.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ዶተረ:
      መሃር መምህረይ! መሃር! ጥራይ ‘የ ዝብል።
      ዝበልካዮ ኩሉ ብሓንሳብ ብዙሕ ግዜ ጆተኒ ዝተረጋረግና ኢና ንመስል።
      ነታ ናይ ጃክሰን ጃኬት ግን ከይረኽብኩዋ ኣማሪካ ድቕድቕ። ባቃ! ዋይ ድኽነት ኢሎማ ክትረግም።

      ግደፍናስከ ክንደይ ግዜ ዲኻ ገንዘብ ክትሓትት? ክብለኒ ከሎ ሃይላት ኣዘኪርካኒ።

      ‘ንተትሪአኒ ኔርካ ክርትም ኢለ ክስሕቕ። ‘ንታይሞ Entropy ኢልካን ‘ዶ ዓኪስካኒ።

      Is Browninan motion somehow involved with entropy?
      If the entropy value is high, does it mean it is very hard to figure out where the molecules are?
      I am trying to relate this to machine learning’s entropy.
      Is entropy somehow plays role for Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle?

      I din’t know that Boltzmann killed himself.
      BTW, do you know who started martyrdom?

      • Paulos

        ማሃንድሳይ,

        ኣነ ሓውኻ ችስታ ስለዝነበርኩ፣ ፎርኒካ ልክዕ ከም ዓሰርተ ሳንቲም ጸሪበ፣ እቲ ዋና ከይራኣየኒ እየ ጆተነ ዝጻወት ኔረ። ወይካኣ ምስ ከምዚ ከማኻ ምስ ደቂ ዕንዳ ገለ ተኸፈሉለይ’ኢለ ይጻጋጋዕ ኔረ።

        I leave the series of questions to Hashela for he knows more and as for the last question, I would say, Idris Awate [ጥዑይ ሃማም’ድዩ ዶ ትብል ኣለኻ?]

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ዶተረ:
          ኣይተኻኣልካን! ሰሓቕ-ብሰሓቕ ጌረያ ገዛ።
          እሞ ብጻይ ረኺበ: ኣነውን ሓደ ችስታ ‘የ ኔረ። ሞ ንስኻውን ንሃይላት ተጽምሞ ኔርካ ማለትዩ።
          የግዳስ የዕሩኽተይ ከማይ ስለዝነበሩ: ድኽነት ዝነበረና ኣይመስለናን ኔሩ። ስጋዕ ገለ ተረገማት ዘዘኻኽሩና።
          ብሰንኩ ድማ ስጋዕ ሕጂ ድኽነት ክሰምዕ ኣይደልን’የ። ሓሳስያ ትገብረለይ።

          ትዝኸፈአ ግን ናይ ሓንጎል-ድኽነት ክህልወካ ከሎ ‘ዩ። እንኳዕ ካብኡ መሓረካ!

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            ሎሚ ማዓልቲ ንመንድ’የ ረኺበዮ መሲሉካ፣ ንሓደ ዘመደይ፣ ሽዕዑ ንዓኻ ዘኪረካ፣ ምኽንያቱ ደብዳቤ መንግስቲ ዝሰደድሉ ሒዙ መጽዩ፣ ዳሓር ንዓይ ነዚ ደብዳቤ ነቢበዮስ ኣይተረዳኣንን ኢሉኒ፣ ኣነ ሽዑ ብልበይ ጆሜትራ በል ከይሰምዓካ ኢለዮ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ:
            ዓቢ ‘ንተኾይኑ ኣይትሓዘሉ። መንእሰይ ‘ተኾይኑ ግን ኮፍ ኣቢልካ ሓደን ክልተን በሎ።
            ሓቅኻ: ነቢበዮ ትብል ክርኢ ከለኹ መርዘነይ ትትስእ።
            ደሓር ከ ‘ንታይ ክንሰምዕ? ጸኒዐዮ? 🙂

      • Hashela

        Selam Engineer

        Here, your are the professor who sits among the students and helps them by asking the fundamental questions and building bridges between seemingly unrelated observations.

        If one wants to reduce the definition of entropy to the minimum: entropy is a measure of chaos (መዓቀኒ ሕንፍሽፍሽ). The higher the energy of a system the more entropy value it has, meaning it is more chaotic. I guess that is why you brought the Brownian molecular motion into play. Because when you increase the energy of gaseous system the more faster and „chaotic“ move the molecules.

        By mentioning Hessenberg‘s uncertainty principle, you skillfully navigated us into the field of quantum mechanics and quantum statistics. If you look at speed (v) and kinetic energy (E-kin) of your Brownian molecules, you will realize that despite each molecule having identical mass and being subjected to the same thermal energy, the probability density function of their v and E-kin will reveal a non-parametric distribution with a thin and long tail towards higher end of the v and E-kin curves. This means there are extremely few molecules with extremely high v and E-kin, much more than allowed by classical mechanics. The beauty of quantum mechanics and quantum statistics is that they describe natural processes in a probabilistic manner and, by doing so, they allow us to have a deeper understanding of our surrounding. Before Saleh ban me from this Forum, allow me to give a practical example. The Sun is the only source of warmth that we enjoy at a daily basis. The heat (thermal energy) of the Sun arises as a result of nuclear reaction, the merge of two hydrogen nuclei (positively charged particles). Classical mechanics tells us it is impossible to merge two positively charged particles because the repulsive forcing is too high. Repulsive force is the barrier energy that we need to overcome before the merge. Quantum statistics shows us that the potential energy of nuclei ( the energy need to overcome the barrier) is probabilistically distributed. As a result, there are very few (10^-8 to 10^-12 %) hydrogen nuclei that have higher potential energy than the repulsive force and merge and release enormous thermal energy.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Thank you, Dr.!
          I had no idea two positively charged particles can attract each other. I guess the threshold works for everything. So, these few can generate tremendous energy? Is it kind if fusion reaction?
          I guess we need very few of these to solve Eritrean crisis? 🙂

          I was about to ask what we call Entropy in Tigrigna but you have already answered it (at least its meaning).
          Again, thank you and please participate often for the benefit your people.

        • Saleh Johar

          Even you Hashela?
          anta punching bag ember gerkumni? What? Are you guys frustrated at something 🙂
          I am dying to know why you had the itch to mention my name for no reason! I can’t find any explanation. If something isn repeated too often, it may sound as truth. Why do you want to create that impression? Serious. Please do me a favor and explain it. Otherwise, this is the first time I will insist on seeing your apology. Umbaaa 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኣያ ሳልሕ,

            ኣታ ሰብኣይ ሎምስ ኣብ ቀረባ’ምበር ኮንካ፣ በቃ ሽመይ ኣይተልዕሉኒ ትብል! እምቦእ!

            The guy was obviously kidding.

          • Hashela

            Selam Paulos

            ናይ ሓቂ ዕርክነት አብ እዋን ጸገም እዩ ድራጋገጽ. Thank you for coming to my rescue!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo and Heshela,

            Atum sebat znebebnayo do kinmiskir.

            Hashela wrote “Before Saleh bans me from this Forum, allow me to give a practical example. “

            Paulo wrote “I was going to start with the “French Revolution” but I am afraid I would run into trouble where I have decided to avoid any historical context lest Ato Saleh Johar and his posse’ “Peace” get vexed if not uncomfortable.“

            Leaving last week exchange aside, if one reads your comments, you are pocking at Saleh as he is anti free-speech, or he is comfortable what he likes to hear and ban topics which is not to his likings.

            If the joke about his personality etc, I think it was a fair joke. But you are questioning his Intergrity, as Awate moderator. I don’t think he ever had done such things, even for topics that are much more sensitive. He allows it yes question asked so long as it does not violate the guidelines.

            Even the point with Paulo, he was just not agreeing to the story he was writing (as in bit a correct fact,) but he had no problem with the topic it self. But he also wanted to remind you, what such story has done in the past (as in oppressing others) and to be cautious in the future, the likes of Ras Abi, who elevated those kings and royals to god.

            I am glad that you want to continue With your history, honestly I didn’t read what you wrote about Teodores as I was busy. But please be prepared if others challenge your narration and it’s not that they are against you telling the story or posting it but against the facts.

            For example, when you said about Tedros offering dual fight with Napier and you took it as fact, made me a little chuckle. You can’t be series, Napier comes all the way from India investing so much money, arms and resources to free the captive and you think he would just agree to such childish offer (for someone who suppose to be ahead of his time). It’s like Mullha Omar asking George Bush for karate match after he failed to hand over Bin Laden, when Bush has declared a war and he ordered his troops.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            በፀሓዩ ንጉሥ ይዤሃለሁ ያልተፃፈ አታንብብ::

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Berhe,
            Thank you.

            Before you are called a name to “vent”, make a disclaimer that you are not my Posse 🙂

            Thank you for the clarification. That is exactly what was said and your assessment is correct.

            Now tor the “narrations”: I never stopped anyone from saying what they please. Unfortunately, my view point was considered curtailing the flow of views. It’s sad, but I know it comes with the territory and they do not mean it, I hope. However, I was kind of disappointed to see people I would trust with the care of my family falling into that. To further explain the case, I made a simple comment, with smileys, it didn’t work. I don’t like smileys but oftentimes I see people are worked up because of a joke and I consciously add smileys to attract their attention to take it lightly. But what do you do when there is a lot of fanning 🙂 And fanning requires a skill which I do not have. All I ask is that people should resist the usual wanton fanning, I think they call it Marrageb in Amharic 🙂

            Now I am out of this forum. I have had it. Please ask me to stay 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Saleh,
            ሕጂ ከተቕትለኒ ኢኻ።
            Since these two gentlemen are PhD holders, there is something in common here. I had a boss (also PhD holder) used to say PhD = Permanent Head Damage 🙂 ስለዚ ገለ ቡሎን ጎዲላቶም ከይትኸውን።
            ኣንታ ኣነስ ቅንኢ ክቐትለኒ ደልዩ።
            ተረእዩኒ መደረጓሕ ክመጸኒ ካብ እምባ ሕረት 🙂

            ምልክታ: እዚ ኣብ ላዕሊ ተጻሒፉ ዘሎ: ጎለይን ኢደይን ‘ምበር ንዓይ ዝውክል ኣይኮነ።

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            እናሀልካ’በል ኣነን ንስኻን ካብቲ ዝፈራሕናዮ ኣይወጻናን፣ Pro-Bono Avocatto ናይ ኣያይ እታ ዘረብኡ Berhino ብ “ነቢበዮ” ጀሚርዋ! እሞኻኣ ዝገርመካ ክንደይ ግዜ ነቢበዮ ኣይትበል ነቢበዮ ናይ ደቂ ኸባቢ ናይ ፋራታት እዩ፣ ኣንቢበዮ እዩ ዝባሃል ሓቀን እንድየን እዘን ሓራሙ ክሽንድሓኻ ኢለዮ፣ ግን ንሱ ዕጭለይ [ናቱ ቃል እያ] ኢሉ ኣብዩኒ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Because people have different pronouncing to words, they are not faratat. This is always the “sins of Asmarinos” engaging in self-aggrandizements and belittling people. I really hate belittling people.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Thing is, Asmarinos are misunderstood more often than not when their sense of humor is construed as a serious talk where serious stuff around the clock is unbearably dry and boring and my comment is not an exception but meant to be a joke.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulod,

            “ ናይ ደቂ ኸባቢ ናይ ፋራታት እዩ” is not a humor. It was and is the undermining word that Always uttered by the Asmarinos to the villagers. The villagers understood the cultural talk of Asmarinos and the impact on them of such belittling words. Asmarinos was never misunderstood by the villagers. It has bad connotations and try to avoid it.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Certainly, I don’t have data based on a serious study but it is an inferred fact based on observation that, those who grew up in ሃገረሰባት have done well either in the academia or business particularly here in the Diaspora.The reason for it could be as good as mine and anybody else’s for that matter where if we [Asmarinos] make fun of them, it would be just that where the reality on the ground is a contrast as it is stated on the above.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            If our languages and culture were left to those Asmarinos with a misplaced superiority complex, it would have been altered beyond recognition with a linguistically senseless mix of English, Arabic, and Amharic.

            Whenever an Asmarino with a superiority complex talk to me in a mix of Tigrinya-English, Tigrinya-German, or Tigrinya-English-German I switch to a polished English or Hochdeutsch (polished German). Often, it turns out that he/ she does not master the language that he/she uses for bragging.

            It goes without saying that not all Asmarinos have that attitude

          • iSem

            Hi profs Hashela, Paulo and Emma:
            Language any language does borrow and get corrupted, but these two processes are not done deliberately but as a natural process as the language changes due to influences that it is exposed to
            Take English, which was non existence 1500 years ago. And it successfully displaced Germany and French languages of science and even literature. About 30% of English is German, the short one or two syllable words are Germanic from Anglo- Saxon, even the word English is from Anglo.30% is Latin from when the Romans invasion, then some 10 to 15 % is French and Greek and the rest is from the old Celtic. But English is a strong, sophisticated and rich language now. In Tigriinya the word “fara” itself is Arabic (sudanese) for a rat and also it means someone uncivilized, the same way we use it Eritrea.
            The most depressing thing and it is getting worse is the literal translation. During the holidays I called a relative in Addis to ask about his USA process, he told me that they have not given him the reason for his rejection, he said, they are saying they used their discretion, they are not calling “badella badella” he said to me. I was both delighted and saddened. Delight because I found topic for my next awate article, I thought and saddened because the norm of literal translation is now in steroids in our country. I heard IA say “tsaeda harmaz” for white Elephant an the list goes on and on.
            The call a spade a spade comes from greek and it has been introduced to Eglish, so is Achilles heels and it makes sense. Now these are taken to Tig to impress people and to delineate between the educated and fara and not through the natural process introduced with context
            watch, when Keren and Asmara teams match soccer and Asmara will win, the Eri media will report is like this: ganta keren is “tahteway lelbi”. Team Keren is the undergo
            Tigriniya is not been enriched it is becoming “fara”

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            This is well put comment as in erudite and entertaining. And can’t wait for your article on the ad*lteration of Tigrinya.

            *Can we say, ምንዝርና ናይ ትግሪንያ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            Yes not all Asmarino do have that attitude, but the majority are, and they are “loud and proud” about it. How about that, Doctore?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Very funny, Doterre!
            I thought this word was fabricated by those no good hgdf herds.
            My bad, if this word is anywhere in Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Paulos and Hashela,
            I just changed my style to see and prove to the interested how someone’s humor sounds, exactly the way my comments sounded. But you will soon see what I was trying to hint that I know what the reason is. As for me, don’t worry. I touched my skin and it still it is the alligator’s borrowed skin. Rest assured.

            Hashela, All the smiley faces I put didn’t work! Now I need an apology for every smiley face I put 🙂 🙂

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            ኣታሰብአይ: ሕጅስ ይኣኽላካ። ኣቀዲመ ነዋርሕ ድኣክል እኣስኒቀካ እንድየ።

          • Paulos

            ኣያይ ለንቅነ ዘይጠባይካ ሸታሕታሕ ትብለና’ለኻ፣ ንሕና ሰሙናዊ ቢድዮኻ ክንርኢ ኸለና፣ ኣታ ዝሰብኣይሲ ጽቡቕ ኣሎ ኣይኣረገን ሓደ ማዓልቲ ክመርሓና’ዩ እንዳ በልናካስ፣ ከም ሓወቦይ ምራጭ ምስኣረገ ዘምጽኦ ዝነበረ ረቂቕ ጠባይ ተርእየና’ለኻ፣

            ሓደ ንጉሆ ተሲእካ፣ እዚአን ጸጊበን ኣብ ርእሰይ ክሸና ጀሚረን ኢልካ፣ ነዛ ንፈትዋ ደምበና ብሊከቶ ሽግጥግጥ ኣቢልካ ሽርብ ከይትብል ኢና ንፈርሕ።

          • Saleh Johar

            Ay Paulos,
            I believe nata nHamat daa keykewn. ለንቅነ??ለንቅነ?? Two comments are considered a pattern? Ezom ny physics ekwa shetaHtaH ktblu kolekhum yesterena eyyu zebl 🙂 Physics science eyyu do perfection eyyu do aykonen zbahal 🙂

            Peace, stay away from this.

            And you the man holding the Margebgebya, go watch football, don’t forget to get your advertisements fix 🙂 And don’t respond until you take your fekket alraas tomorrow. Meskinay Emma, now I know what you go through and your aversion to sidetracking. Scuza!

            Berhe, did you read that? 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኣያይ,

            ነዚ መጣቖሲ “ፓቸ” stay out of this ትብሎ’ለኻ? ዘይንሱ መንካልእ ነዛ ገዛ ሓዊ የእትዩላ! ኣነ ንዓኻ ናይ ኣኽብሮት “ኣያይ” ኢለ ተጸዋዕኩኻ፣ ኣያይ እንዳበልካ ነዛ ገዛ ብናይ ኣጋዝያን ኣጀንዳ ትመልኣ’ለኻ ኢሉ ጠቂኑኒ [Ok he didn’t actually say that, but he was implying to that effect.] እቲ ሓቃ ክንዛረብ እነተዳኣኾንና፣ ፓቸ ህግደፍ’ዪ፣ ኢንፋክቲ [That’s how Hailat says, when he says in fact] ባዕሉ ወዲ ኣፌ ከይኮነ ኣይተርፍን’ዩ።

            P.S. ፓቸ ዓርከይ ብሕርቃን ኣብቲ ዘለኻዮ ባር ትብለጽ፣ ጠራሙዝን ሰድያታትን ከይደራበኻ ከለኻ፣ I was joking!

          • Saleh Johar

            ጳውሎስ

            ናይ ፊዚክስ ኣበር ኮይኑካ እታ መንቀሊ ኣይረኻብካያን፥፥ ኣብ ክሽነ ናውቲ ገዛ ገጽካ ሃሰሰ በል:: ግና ኣብ ናይ ኣማሪካ ክሽነ ክንደይ ከምኡ ናውቲ ከይትረክብ::ኣቲ ኣቅሓ ድማ ኢንፍለማብል እዩ : ተጠንቀቅ::

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            First, because you asked for it, let me say without qualification: I am sorry.
            As Paulos said below, I was kidding because while ago you mentioned that you have a strongly reduced excitement for ግዛዕ-ምዛዕ (quantum-mechanics). Obviously I need to work on my strongly reduced humor.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; this is a testimony of Eritrean education system some waste their life in a refugee comps and in the streets of The west and there are people like this brave woman

    https://youtu.be/Os4CwJtMkMc

  • Nitricc

    Timely song from Kampala; Eritrea for ever.
    https://youtu.be/MbZmK277Q9w

  • said

    Greetings,

    Eritrea and region need Resonance and Enlightenment .

    For civilizations to materialized one key aspect is education , subject of science and engineering education is a rigorous understanding of the epistemology that constitutes the basic underpinning of modern science and modern technology that transforming the world .
    On our part of the world very rarely does one meet a graduate who have good understanding and has read many great philosophers like Immanuel Kant. David Hume’s An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, without Hume, there is no Kant critique, and without Immanuel, it is impossible to interpret much contemporary thinking, whether it be moral, political, or philosophical. Little left of Durant’ transmission of moral , faith mental, technical, and esthetic heritage. progress is the increasing abundance, use, preservation and transmission of that heritage. Dr, Durant said ”and that statistics have replaced men in the story of mankind. History operates in events but through persons; these are the voice of events, the flesh and blood upon which events fall, and the human responses and feelings are also history.” ‘Popularizing’ Denied

    More important philosophies of other great civilizations of the east , such as Confucianism, Hinduism ,Buddhism, Islamism and many others .

    In Considering Islamic civilization in brief . At very least all student at very minimum and Muslim student and alike , our region students should be exposed to writing great scholar like al-Ghazali, the great Islamic philosopher who bridged the 11th and 12th centuries, and who like Kant centuries way after. Not contradicting al-Ghazali, Kant later, argued that reason cannot prove the existence of God or immortality, without which there is no moral order and civilization’s survival is perilous and exposed to imminent risk of disaster and ruin.in case of defense of secularism, one have to be engaged the arguments of al-Ghazali. And the great Islamic physician Ibn Rushd, known to the West and changed his name to give credit as Averroes, who brought matchlessly understood Aristotle and brought to Europe in the 12th century, in creating and setting off an age of reason in Europe? From dark age Europe.

    Like many countries in Africa . Eritrea historical narrative has been defined by its geopolitical location ,Ethiopian external aggression and internal Eritrean resistance to that colonial aggression had being defeated for good . These new nation identity formed by Italian conquest and rule of the coastal lowlands and Highland. This beautiful small nation , beleaguered country is struggling to safeguard its sovereignty, its territorial integrity and its very survival paramount important . with IA in power Eritrea never really overcome these flaws. In normal situation Political stability went hand in hand with a strong economy. Eritrean Resonance would have different story, the enlightenment that would have enlightens, one day will basically hopeful, progressive, reasonable, democratic and humanitarianly will be realized . Today Eritrea like South Korea and the Soviet Union, the ”Tragedy of Russia” in 1933 that the country was ”a gigantic prison.”

    For very long time Eritrea was wronged and Eritrean national was compromised , I do not only fully believe in “Conspiracy Theory,” I am fully absorbed in it, marks my first point of departure in Analyzing as an average person , Eritrean politics and Ethiopian past aggression and policies as came to know the deviousness, immorality and outlandish capabilities, even utter inhumanity of the Ethiopian colonial aggression was clear.
    No one, possibly no one in the entire exclusivist Emperor Hail Selassie , managed to connive and persevere in the pursuit of a far away goal, deploying all possible most immoral and devious means to advance the narrow and shortsighted objectives of Ethiopian increasing dominance and control of the Eritrea than the Emperor Hail Selassie.
    with support of the wester nations .
    Interestingly, and rather inexplicably, I tended particularly to trace Emperor Hail Selassie rise to power in years of 1930th and take notice of his single-minded trajectory towards the implementation of his plans to cause a profound turning around of the UK and US Politics and the ensuing world events to serve the Ethiopian colonialist expansion plan that culminated in annexing Eritrea completely abandoning any Peace Process in interest of both countries.
    Emperor Hail Selassie was long, very long planning through consistent devious schemes and conspiracies for over a quarter to allow for the actualization of that moment.
    Emperor Hail Selassie rule ended in 1974 and the entire Ethiopian Establishment were completely destroyed by Derge regime, after Derge defeat .the New regime of TPLF /EPRDF ,in 1991 then ,they were growing nervous that Ethiopian could lose its important most rewarding strategic role as a very special close ally vis-à-vis the US and the Western Powers after the eclipse of Communism and the demise of the Soviet Union. Besides, PM Melase and the entire TPLF establishment were intent on accepting Eritrean referendum for independence and focus to rule Ethiopia and blunder their national resource by any means to in rich themselves ,some old remnants of Emperor Hail Selassie and Derge regime, were screaming in trying torpedoing the “Eritrean referendum Accords” that they termed a betrayal of Ethiopian ambitious plans to cause of the annex of the entire occupied Eritrea to remain even after defeat they are still dreaming
    PM Melese , his moving to Phase II of the Plan of repositioning Ethiopia as the most vital strategic partner contriving an imaginary threat, “Internal Terrorism,” and using same as a tool to further suppress and crush Ethiopian uprisings, the TPLF needed a dramatic event that would galvanize and support the American Bush administration and public policies and the support of the Western world.

    Even today Ethiopia pursuing very narrowly agenda defined as national interest, the country need to come together united ,it is unlikely to remain truly democratic, prosperous and peaceful for long .Ethiopia more divided, less influential, even for economic and trade reason , Ethiopia much less attractive to Eritrea interest .
    Eritrea .As a sovereign nation state, peacefully cooperating? desiring the best for our country as well as for Ethiopia. That prospect also depends on Ethiopia itself becoming more attractive and dynamic than it is today and not to indulge in aggression and for get territorial ambitions or mentioning ASAB port . This is not some kind of weird Eritrea eccentricity. Even those IA is quite at home in Ethiopia. By that time IA is gone in very near future , there will be a different Eritrea. Eritrea will be democratic , reformed and strengthen itself, and to preserve the social and cultural ties that bind Eritrean . we are not all free as citizens to choose our democratic government . This is not on the agenda for today. Our strong identities as Eritrean , we have them or feel them intensely at times like this. There is no going back.
    In a review of the role of the military in Ethiopia , many facts stand out. Much like the old Ethiopian royal legions, backward and feudal regime, as in recent past the first loyalty of a obeying soldier is to Emperor Hail Selassie. king and commander, then to the army institution but never to any symbolic elected parliament.
    One often one wonder what could have happened if the Emperor Hail Selassie,Derge ,TPLF/EPRDF world had adopted the template of Resonance and Enlightenment ,for modernization that European , Japanese and China for that matter had being followed in Ethiopia . Would passive inclusive and modern secular and nationalist vision and respecting faith , if it had gained broader acceptance, eased the social and political stagnation that all of horn of African countries are mired in today in misery and stagnation ? not easy to contemplate ,I don’t know. i have no clue.at very least would have transformed an agrarian Ethiopia devastated by war into a modern state at a far lesser human cost and treasury .

  • Selam All,

    A topic that has no relation with eritrea.
    News coming from washington concerning the ethiopian dam, seems to show that it was foolish of ethiopian politicians to go to the lion’s den where the usa president, imf, wb and egypt were gathered together, and expect not to be eaten alive. It was foolish of ethiopian politicians to trust a fraudster and lover of dictators, d. trump, and expect justice coming from him. Al-sisi knew very well what he was doing when he dragged ethiopia into the hands of trump, his close ally. Nevertheless, for a poor third world country like ethiopia, she is damned if she does the bidding of the only world superpower, at the helm of which is a paranoid leader, and equally damned if she doesn’t. This is a good example of a world superpower in the hands of the worst president the usa ever had and the world has ever seen.
    To say NO to the bullying by trump, the imf and wb, who always stood on the side of egypt in the past and continue to do so, should be the thing ethiopians are obliged to do, for the sake of the coming generations, and for ethiopia not to lose her God given rights or her sovereignty.
    It is also true when it is said that trump wants to bribe egypt with the gerd by making it an “egyptian dam within ethiopia”, so that he gets support for his “beautiful deal of the century”, the plan to sell palestine to israel with the support of arab dictators. Ethiopia and palestine are presented as the sacrificial lambs for trump’s infamous legacy and possibly a victory in the coming elections, with the help of millions of american jews’ whom he expects would vote for him.
    Ethiopia is indirectly forced to become an egyptian colony so that the colonial agreement of 1929 and the 1959 agreement between ethiopia and sudan remain effective. These two agreements, which ignored ethiopia, said more or less ‘not a drop of water for ethiopia’ from the blue nile, its source being ethiopia.
    “Ethiopia will not accept any solution unless it preserves her right to use water from the Nile” should remain the eternal truth as much as ethiopians are concerned. Fortunately, the above seems to be the opinion of most ethiopians, which the opposite front should take into consideration, if they are going to see a breakthrough in the negotiations. From what we hear and read, ethiopians from all sides are venting their frustration on what trump, the imf and wb are trying to do at the expense of ethiopia.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Horizon; It is easy to blame the US, Arabs and IMF but you got be honest with yourself. check with your government and its activity. Your government showed a crack and the west got in like a coronavirus. For instance; your government failed to get to the root cause why and how Engineer Simegnew killed. Your leader failed you when he sward by saying “WELAHI” not to harm Egypt in front of Egypt leaders. Your government sold the GERED for three billion dollars. Why do you think UAE gave you three billion dollars? Even more; Ethiopia shouldn’t go debate at this moment. The Egyptians pushing at this time because they understood that Ethiopia is at weakest moment. It pains me to tell you but Ethiopia has no choice but to go with what ever Egypt said. What most Ethiopians don’t understand is that Arabs are in and deep in Ethiopia’s political affairs. blame no one you late them in and they are there to stay. So, don’t rush to blame others, look inward.

    • Teodros Alem

      selam horizon
      without mentioning or saying nothing what the imf, usa, world bank trying to do, u just started barking. what is the exact problem.

    • saay7

      Horizon:

      The minute Ethiopia agreed to have the US Treasury Department and the World Bank run the Ethiopia-Egypt negotiations, um, I am just going to leave this right here:

      https://twitter.com/saayEritrea/status/1223393759938744320/photo/1

      saay

      • Abi

        Hello Saay
        What are you going to have on the grill tomorrow? Salmon ?
        Spurs vs City
        Super Bowl
        I will have Teodros on the grill.

        • Paulos

          Abination,

          Can’t wait for the Super-Bowl tomorrow. Will watch it with ma bros. Thing is most Awatistas ain’t into it for most live in Europe, Scandinavia, Australia and some in Sudan and of course Kaddis and Abiy Ahmed from Addis. And I suspect this guy who could be Isaias Afwerki from Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Paul
            The checkout line at the grocery store in my neighborhood looks like a refugee camp. Thankfully my First Lady did the Super Bowl shopping earlier.
            I think Isu and Abichu are going to watch the game together reading Awate comments at the same time.
            Rumor has it that they both have registered at Awate graduate school. I suggest both watch “The Great Dictator” and prepare themselves for next class.
            Kaddis is a soccer guy.
            Berhe has no interest in sports other than girls soccer. The rest of Awate gangs? I don’t want to get in trouble. Most of them spend their evenings playing Bingo.
            Enjoy the game.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Bingo is funny. You know, the other day you said, man got to know his limits. Agree and man got to do what he loves to do and I say, scr*w it and will go back doing history. Will do Yohannes IV first and Alula the Field Marshall he never got promoted to next, coming Friday, God willing that is.

          • Abi

            Paul
            General Marshal Ras Alula የጀግንነት ተምሳሌት lives in our hearts forever!!!
            The very mention of his name will melt the faint hearted like a marshmallow in a fire.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You are confusing me with my fried iSem. I wish I gave one on one game wuth with what ever game you like, soccer, running, basket ball, tennis, cycling. I will kick your lazy behind. Even boxing if you like:).

            I am into soccer (euro / World Cup), I don’t watch premiere league as much. When my team Liverpool wasn’t being a contender in the 90s I stopped. But I am back now, sort off.

            I am into basket ball, during the playoffs, but was crazy last year for the raptors.

            I am into baseball / hockey if Toronto is in the playoffs.

            I am into football (use to be crazy fan of the buffalo bills, when jelly was the QB) but mostly during the playoffs and Super Bowl.

            For today’s game I am cheering for chiefs, mainly because Duvernay-Tardif. I think the whole CANADA will be.

            Berhe

            .

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Keep the ቡኛ for Ghetub. You have already promised him one under the belt.
            iSem only follow girls beach volleyball.
            Last time Paul sends my behind to the library. Now you want to kick it. I’m usually on reserve team which keeps my behind on the bench.
            How is your ቴስታ? I’m good when it comes to ቴስታ:: It is the only time I use my head.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Here is some girls soccer 🙂 for you to enjoy.

            https://youtu.be/zGwPG6NgeFs
            You can skip to 6:30 if you want to see the action.

            I predict an Eritrean (Alex) will score in the next EuroCup and World Cup.

            Berhe

        • saay7

          Yo Abi:

          It’s going to be whatever Uber Eats delivers. My boy is in charge of the food, all I know is it will be very american: unhealthy and too much.

          Spurs? They don’t play until Monday and they will be murdered (get your arrest warrants ready) by the Clippers.

          49ers will own whoever it is they are playing, I forget their name already.

          Leave Teodros alone: he might be the most authentic Ethiopian alive. The rest of you are so changeable. One day you are into Dubba, the next into justice.

          saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            ምን ነካብኝ ጌታው?
            Talking about soccer here. Tottenham Hotspur vs Manchester City. ( I like the rivalry between the two managers).I see you are Kind of slow tonight.
            Rule Number One: never let your boy take charge of Super Bowl festivities. You will end up with chicken wings and pizza.
            Throw something on the grill.
            Stay away from my Dubba. I’m still searching for it.
            Go Kansas!

      • Selam saay,

        Maybe i am losing an important information, especially if it was posted by you. The problem is that i don’t have an account as much as social media is concerned, and oddly enough, i still don’t want to have one. My aim is to avoid too much exposure to the internet in general, although that has become more or less impossible, because it is where we read our newspapers, go for references, etc. Thanks anyway.

        It is important to note that the agreement drafted by the USA government was quickly signed by Egypt and not by Ethiopia and Sudan, which shows that it satisfied the wish of the Egyptian side. As we know very well Egypt refused to sign the NBI agreement.
        The Ethiopian PM visited the GERD, i think, soon after the end of the negotiations. I don’t know what message he wants to send. He stressed the importance of the dam to Ethiopia and the whole region. He thanked those who decided to construct the dam and those who actually did the job. In addition, the jab against metec was too obvious.
        I don’t think that i have understood well. It seems as if all parties have been told to draft their own agreements and return back after ten days, which looks to me odd and trumpish. How they will get to an agreement this way, i don’t know.
        In my opinion it looks like that agreement is still far away, even if trump is putting pressure on Ethiopia to sign by the end of February. It seems that the American side is blackmailing Ethiopia by telling it that the consequences will be grave if she refuses to sign the agreement. Are things getting more complicated? I don’t know.

      • Kaddis

        Ahlen Saay –

        Its not the dam that worries me, that’s done when its Engineers Semegnew was killed. I told you the four technical negotiation dramas would go fast as a Superbowl commercial few months back. Binding mediation by US is loading; if not started already.

        What worries me is Egypt + the gulf states will never leave us until we are totally broken, to never have the capacity to use the Nile forever. Mohammed Mursi’s meeting live broadcast is happening one by one. And Abiy only see how much ammunition he gets to fight his opponents.

        • Paulos

          Selam Kaddis,

          Perhaps Abiy is “The Manchurian Candidate” determined to undo Meles’ legacy. Tewodros, Yohannes and Menilik may have crossed each other to get to the throne but never compromised their focus on Egypt and her rulers from Muhammed Ali of the 19th Century through Mubarek and Al-Sisi of the 20th and 21st Century respectively.

          The other day, I was watching Yilqal and Lidetu’s press conference when the former rightly said, ኣሁንማ ሳውዲ እና ኣመሪካ የሚመቻቸው ሰው ኣግኝተው ኣገሪትዋን እንደ ፈለጉት ልያረጉዋት ነው።

          Glad Abiy and his mission are unraveled! The guy is a sell-out. No doubt!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kaddis,

            The “Manchurian Candidate” is spot on the character of Abiy. Early on when he said Derg was not defeated, I knew that he is a bogus leader who could not unite Ethiopian diversity. Even the Amara elites like Ato Ledetu Ayelow, in his recent interview has openly said that Abiy has not the ability to unite Ethiopia. “ሂደቱ ከሽፈዋል ብለዋል”:: He also has said, that the TPLF is an Ethiopian issue, to reject Abiy’s alliance with our despot, Abiy’s base is dwindling by the day. Very soon, he will declare “state of emergency.” He lifted it initially for his political reason and he will reinstate it again for his own political reason. His only hope is depended on our despot to protect his throne.

          • Nitricc

            to show his rejection to Abiy’s alliance with our despot against TPLF and Tigray people.

            Hi Aman; sometimes it is okay to be honest and to tell things as they are. Now what exactly is the connection between TPLF thugs and the people of Tigray? Sometimes I wonder. if you insisted that they are the same, then have the courage to charge the people of Tigray with every crime TPLF has committed. You can’t have it both ways. There is TPLF thugs, with every crime known to human and there are the innocent people of Tigray who are held hostages by the TPLF mafia group. The end!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            This time, I will give you a short answer. The people of Tigray is rallying behind TPLF to foil the conspiracy of Abiy and our despot. That is fact on the ground. But Ledetu has the answer to you and don’t bark to a wrong tree. TPLF has regained the respect and the rights of Tigray people from all the long marginalization history they had. The people of Tigray knows it very well. Even the opposition orgs in Tigray recognize this fact very well, and they are in alliance with TPLF to foil the conspiracy.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            How do you reconcile your above comment with a very high number of prisoners in tplf jails?
            The number is estimated to be around 45,000.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Ras Abi,

            Did you listen the interview of Ledetu Ayelow, የኣብይ መንግስት ከሽፈዋል ብለዋል:: Regarding the number of prisoners, I don’t think it is a verifiable numbers. Even then, if it is true, they will bring them out to defend their people from the conspiracy of Abiy. I have never heard a leader of a country to conspire with foreign forces against one of their Federal state. It is only in the mind of Abiy to drag you to the old messafint era.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            what exactly 3A conspire against tigray? with whom he conspire?
            did tigray invaded by other country? is not “bademe” under tigray state until now?
            there is no body conspire against ethiopia other than tplf, tplf was by far a friend of pia until 1998 and they were the one conspire against ethiopia with eplf, Sudan and so on. And they r still proud about it.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            It is the Tigray region that is trying to bring zemene mesafint with ዓፄ ደብረፅዮን at the throne.

            you believe that tplf will bring out the prisoners to fight Abiy. My question is when if not now?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            I hope your bogus leader will not take you in to a war against your own people. But if he did, it is then, that every Tigrian men and women including the ”prisoners” will fight side by side to reserve their integrity as a community and to reassure their survival. Ras Abi, don’t you think so when it becomes a matter of survival? I do.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I strongly disagree. Nobody is fighting for Tigray. They can peacefully take exit 39 and stay on the backroads if they think the major highway is congested.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Could there be the “Ethiopia” that we know it very well without Tigray? If such thing happened, it is the end of Ethiopia that we know. And whatever goes in Tigray will go on the rest of Ethiopian kilils. I don’t wish that to happen.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I’ve heard about that all my life. “If there is no Eritrea, there is going to be no Ethiopia” kind of ዝባዝንኬ::
            There is going to be Ethiopia with or without Tigray.

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            TPLF እስረኛች ፈትቶ መዋጋት ኣመሉ ነው። በ1998 ክኤርትራ ጦርነት፡ ያሰራቸው የደርግ ወታደሮች ፈትቶ ተዋግተዋል። ኣሁን ደግሙ ብዙ ያሰረበት ምክንያንት ብዙ ፍትቶ ከኢትዮጵያ ጋር ለመዋጋት ነው፡ ይመስላል ነገሩ። This sounds medieval!

          • Abi

            Hello ኃይለኛው ጋሽዬ
            It is not just medieval. It is retarded.
            What is even more dumber is Amanuel’s reasoning defending the tplf actions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras. Abi,

            Who have dumb reasoning , the one who support the bogus man who claimed Derg is not defeated or the one who said the Tigray people are rallying behind TPLF when the Federal Government conspired against them. It is matter of fact then, the one who denies the defeat of Derg has the most dumb reasoning.

          • Selam Abi,

            PMAA in the speech he delivered to parliament said that dismantling the tplf state over the last two years had been a difficult job, because the sophisticated web of control extended to the last village. The tplf state was a tightly controlled centralized state under one ethnic group and its enablers.
            If one or two tplf members lose their position because of incompetence, it doesn’t mean that all tigrayans in the government are targeted, as the PM said. He seems to call a spade a spade lately. Appeasement is seen as fear and foolishness, and he may not take it any longer.
            At the time when Debretsion is speaking of the possibility of working with PP by keeping their ideological differences, tplf supporters are raising a wall and waiting as usual when Abiy’s government will fall and ethiopia disintegrates.
            Yesterday the rhetoric was tplf prisons spoke afan oromo and if you scratch an oromo you will find olf underneath, for which they were easily thrown into prison. Today, on the contrary, the narrative is oromos and jawar will bring back tplf to power by deposing Abiy. This is insulting the intelligence of the oromo people.
            Will tplf lead tigray to independence or turn it into a rogue state within ethiopia? An independent state, extremely poor, not recognized by any world government, except some reactionary ones with an anti-ethiopia agenda, remaining in limbo like somaliland with no recognition and no means of survival is one of its fates. The other is to become a rogue state between ethiopia and eritrea, a factor of destabilization in the region.
            Left to itself no one is crazy enough to open war against it, unless it attacks others, and unless somebody draws the card of the legitimacy of defending a country’s territorial integrity in case of cessation. Even that is foolishness.
            One way or the other it is a lost game for tplf, and the only road that exists is the one that leads to reconciliation, cooperation and peace. Some people should cure themselves from the addiction of power. Even emperors have succeeded, let alone ragtag guerrilla fighters who ascended to the throne and misbehaved as dictator autocrats. Those who want to drag tigray through a minefield are responsible for their actions.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Horizon. You can already get an idea of what the TPLF strategy will be re TIgrai online: ‘The Abiy Government’s Stratagem of Rigging the Ethiopian General Election’.

          • Selam mokie berhe,

            Tplf speaks of what it knows best: i.e winning elections meto-bemeto as in 2010 through vote rigging, or winning elections through killings as in 2005. Tplf has used coercion, intimidation, killings, and even fertilizers were provided to farmers only if they voted for eprdf, etc. Therefore, they cannot think of anything different, but the modus operandi they know so well.
            In tigray, tplf has succeeded in intimidating the other tigrayan parties and their supporters. It is only too obvious that it will be another meto-bemeto for tplf in tigray.
            The drama is that under such situations nobody is going to accept the result of the coming elections, despite the fact that there will be foreign observers. There will only be winners and not losers, and this is going to happen with the aim to create chaos and to destabilize the country, so that the government may be forced to resign.
            Tplf demonizes the regional arab government, the eu, etc. They accuse the state of emergency and the command posts. This is a prelude to what they will do after the elections: rejecting and declaring the elections as rigged, unfair and not free.
            In my opinion, it is going to be an election in a vacuum, as long as the results will not be accepted by any one of the parties. Some ethiopian parties, with tplf as the leader, do not seem to care if ethiopia will be there the next day. “Unless tplf rules ethiopia, ethiopia is not meant to be”. These were the unholy words of their great guru.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Horizon. A lot of people don’t know, but the TPLF even used boo koo Ethiopian Government monies to hire Washington based consulting firm Mercury Public Affairs to get Tedros Andhanom elected as the head of WHO; the first non-Medical Doctor to hold the post and what a mess he has been.

          • Samuel

            Selam Nitricc,
            People and a political party can’t be the same, however people can sense who will fight for their interest. There are enough reasons why Tigray will side with TPLF. Look, I am very well aware of the ELF and EPLF struggle for Eritrean people, what do you feel if someone tells you that the struggle was meaningless? Do you take it as rational assessment? Do you think TPLF struggle was meaningless as what PMAA and his supporters has said before?
            You are insinuating somehow getting rid of TPLF is a priority for Tigray people than fighting PMAA and IA. Let me say this, there are many wrongdoings TPLF can be questioned and criticized, but not at this juncture . In life there are priorities that individuals set to do, in the same token Tigray people has their own priorities, however getting rid of TPLF is the least. There will be ample time to criticize or get rid of TPLF in the future.
            I am not sure if you have read my comments before, Menelik, HS and DERG has oppressed the Tigray people in the worst possible way, and PMAA is admirer of Menelik, HS and DERG. As Amanuel Hidrat has alluded, PMAA has said “Derg was not defeated”, he also said “the last 27 years were the years of darkness”. This tells you who PMAA is when it comes Tigray and its struggle. Thus, why would Tigray be against TPLF at this crucial point in time? What is your justification?
            There is no question that TPLF have done so many misconducts, however in the last 27 years TPLF has done far more than the previous Ethiopia regimes combined, specially the last two years they have been doing an outstanding job.

            By the way the unity between Tigray people and TPLF has reached the highest it has ever been, to be honest with you the young generation are disappointed by PMAA the way he conspired against Tigray interest. The documentary, his speeches mentioned above, the road from Addis to Tigray still being closed, firing of Tigray officials from the center, killing of general Seare and Gezae, his relationship with IA are some of the disappointments. PMAA he has shown no sign addressing those issues.

            My prediction is PMAA has maximum 6 to 8 months left, either he has to resign or he should consider leaving the country sooner than later.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Hello Samuel
            Why don’t you guys just declare independence and go?

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            Ethiopia has over 100 million people, there are 9 states and two chartered cities, thus Tigray people will work with Ethiopian people (nation and nationalities). Our issue is with few chauvinists not Ethiopia. Ethiopia is built on the foundation of Tigray history, thus we are going nowhere.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Hello Samuel
            All I am trying to tell you is at this point nobody is fighting to keep you back if you choose to form your own kingdom.
            I don’t lose a nap if you stay or go.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            u don’t know what u talking about and u don’t know what history means.
            tigrai is nothing but 5%of ethiopia population and less than 2% of ethiopia gdp and people to people relation of tigray with the rest of ethiopia is so minimal or non-existent comparing to other ethiopian people to people relation.
            tigrai history is full conspiretion against ethiopia, tigray is a burden for ethiopia .
            And no ethiopians live in ur tigrai.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Do you remember the other day when I commented on “The Era of the Princes” and one of the remarkable feat with in the turbulent century was that, 28 rulers came and went and none of them entertained much less to break off from Ethiopia.

            And there is a strong belonging to Ethiopia in present day Tigrai as well where some back-ground noises clamour for separation but again, they are disgruntled few. They don’t represent the majority.

            And remember, the TPLF martyrs gave their lives for Ethiopia not only for Tigrai and there is that sense of guilt feeling with in the living TPLF leaders even if they entertained the idea of separation. It is not going to happen at all.

            But of course, one can make the argument that, all the historical landmarks that gave Ethiopia a sort of mystical stature happened to be in Tigrai where the Solomonic Dynasty including the Axumite Kingdom comes to mind. Moreover, the critical battle that changed history including the caricature of “Evolution” is in Tigrai as in the “The battle or victory of Adwa” but again that is still a weaker argument to invalidate the rest of Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Paul
            መለስ አንበሣው እንዳለው ” መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላቸው”::
            ሳሙኤል አንበጣው የፈለገውን ይቀላምድ ::

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I agree with you, those that are campaigning for separation are very few, even though they have some valid reasons but its not enough reason to exercise article 39. The root cause of the current situation is mainly leadership related, thus the solution is to rebuild the leadership deficiencies and act accordingly.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Since Abiy came to power, TPLF shifted their focus to Tigrai where the Front has become practically indifferent to the rest of Ethiopia. In a sense, Tigrai has become a de facto Republic when the intention is not by design but due to the political contingencies that arose with in the last two years or so.

            If you notice, the Tigrean intelligencia community as in the educated class has always been ambivalent in its relation with the Front but for the first time, it is united with the peasantry and the working class as well where historically the last two have been the bedrock of the Front. In politics, they say, luck matters and TPLF seems to have hit the Jackpot if you could excuse the hyperbole but you get the idea.

            The leaders have a political capital at their disposal that spans almost five decades and they know too well that Abiy is not cut out to lead a complex nation like Ethiopia with 100 million people with complex psychology. Moreover, they know too well how far Abiy can go and that is precisely the reason they reject the idea of invoking article 39 where it is a matter of time that, it is Abiy who can not survive with out them where Isaias’ “ምሳኻ ኣለና” is a cheat talk of a man who tries to sell snow to Siberians.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I can’t agree more, the current situation has brought a great opportunity for Tigray to look inward and build the base. TPLF was building an empire in Addis, literally TPLF was accomplishing the dream of the old chauvinist’s project. Power concentrated at the center is against Tigray interest, that concentration of power was both economic and political. I am glad they have realized it now.

            I think the emergence of the new leadership in Addis has helped to awaken the overslept brain of TPLF leadership. It was/is a great lesson how to proceed going forward, if you need to make a lasting impact at the center you need to build a strong base (security, economic and political) first. Look, Addis Ababa is Menelik’s project, thus they should have carefully thought about the concentration of power in one place, but it’s not too late. I am happy that whatever happened in the last two years is becoming an opportunity for Tigray, TPLF shouldn’t make a mistake again. Personally I am not fan of having power concentrated at the center, the peripheries should be strong in order to have a balanced center-periphery relations.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            The real threat to TPLF is not Abiy but Isaias himself who has vowed to see them gone till his last breath. And that dire reality is not lost in them and they fight him back not of course through conventional war or subversive activities but by appealing to the Eritrean people as they see him isolated by the day.

            The other threat is the sprouting opposition parties in Tigrai as in ባይቶና፣ ሳልሳይ ወያነ፣ ዓረና and others. What Tigrai needs at this juncture is a strong state where other civic liberties are differed till the survival of the ክልል is in a stronger footing. To be more precise, the road map charted out by Meles exports the model of the Tiger nations where the state played a major role including in economic developments, security where political parties were discouraged for a reason not so much to suppress civil liberties but it was a matter of setting priorities—democracy or strong and highly centralized state–for the two are at logger heads against each other.

            For instance, India a greater democracy but with a weak state has lagged behind but China with a strong state but a weaker if not muffled democracy has taken off. Perhaps, for a short term al’a Tiger nations, TPLF should emulate China.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            they fight him back not of course through conventional war or subversive activities but by appealing to the Eritrean people as they see him isolated by the day.”, I completely agree. In 2018, the six to eight months border opening and free movement of people has helped so much to create people to people relations and also the handshake of the armed forces had tremendous meaning and impact for what comes next. For years the IA apparatus has built misconceptions about Tigray, I think that wrong perception is now changing, that is a positive development.

            I think TPLF’s concern is the Trump administration, they can’t wait to see Trump lose in this election. The other concern is what PMAA will do next when things become tighter and tighter. If you are observing PMAA is feeling the heat, IA may advise him to do certain things, that advice could cause the State to fail.

            Regarding the new political parties in Tigray, if I was TPLF official I wouldn’t see ባይቶና፣ ሳልሳይ ወያነ፣ ዓረና as threats, they are complimentary to the cause, they are good options to let TPLF focus in Tigray and also to remind TPLF officials that Tigray has options. Right now specially ባይቶና and ሳልሳይ ወያነ are driving the Tigray narrative in Addis Ababa eloquently, which is a good help for TPLF.

            Regarding “democracy or strong and highly centralized state”, Individually I aspire freedom more than democracy, Tigray culture is more about freedom than western style democracy, thus TPLF should build strong State but they shouldn’t compromise in our freedom. If they try to take our freedom that will be a danger.
            Regarding the economy, I agree with you, Developmental State is the way out from poverty, slowly they can privatize some of it but for few years I think the state should play a big role. If the outside world controls your economy you will remain slave the rest of your life, they can be good catalysts but not the main drivers of your economy. I would rather have the state control the economy for few years until local investors build muscle to takeover.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            Which one is the truth ? u said ” 3A’s hope now depend on pia to protect his gov” or the one u said before ” 3A is trying to save the dying regime of pia by lifting the sanctions and treating pia as a comrade” . these two statements contradict each other?
            and if pia is capable to help 3A to protect his gov.,other country gov. means pia is more than capable to protect his own gov. meaning all the oppositions talk is nothing but just a talk?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Awate
    Have one beer on me before reading this 🙂

    ሓድሽ ሚኒኮለ ሰሪሐ
    ብውሽጠይ
    ጸገም ኤረትራ ከይሪኦ ፈሪሐ
    ብግዳም ግን ጸገምና ክዝርዝር ኣምሪሐ
    ሓዋዊሰዮ ‘ዶ?

    ጎዳይፍ ክኸይድ ንዳበልኩ ተዓዘርኩ ዓዲ ሶግዶ
    ንታይ ግበር ጠፊኣ ታእንዶ
    ንቐጽል

    ጸገም ከምዘልና ይፈልጥ
    ሰብ ከይሪኦ ከይሓብጥ
    ከምዘይረአ ከብሎ ዕብጥ
    የዕለብጥ

    ጸገም ኣለኒ ግን ክነግር ኣይደልን
    ብዓወታት ገድሊ ህግደፍ ክሕበን

    ምልስ ኢሎም ድማ ንህዝቢ ይጸቕጡ
    …………‘ቶም ብጾተይ
    …………‘ንዳ ተጨፍለቑ ከማይ
    ………….ብስእነት ሕጽረት ማይ
    ………….ዘይሕሹ ክንሶም ካባይ
    ህግደፍ ኣንበሳ ‘ዩ! ይብሉኒ ካባይ ንላዕሊ ከምዝፈልጡ
    ጠንቂ ጸገሞም ግን ኮፍ ኢሉ ‘ሎ ኣራጢጡ

    ስለምንታይ ‘ሲ
    እቲ ጸገሞም
    ከምቲ ንዓይ ዘሕመኒ የሕምሞም
    ትፍልልይ ግን
    ኣነ ጸገም ከምዘለኒ ይኣምን
    ብጾተይ ግን ህግደፍ ክብሉ ግዜኦም ይባኽን

    እዝስ ኣይኮነን ‘ዶ ውርደት?
    ሕጂ ኣለኹ ዘይበልካስ መዓስ ደኣዩ ክምከት?
    ደቅኻን የሕዋትን ክነጥቡ ኣብ መሬት
    ብናይ ህግደፍ ስናይፐር ብተመልከት

    ምልስ ኢሎም
    ብጽፍርና! ይብሉ ናይ በሃማት ስብከት
    መጥፋእቲ በረኸት

    በሉ
    ‘ታክሻፋ ዝሰራሕኩዋ
    ነዚ ከይርኢ ‘ለየ ኣዝየ ዝፈራሕኩዋ
    ናብ ሳዋ ገጸይ ብምረት ዝደርበኹዋ!
    ‘ናረኤኹ ካርታ ሃገረይ ክሓክዋ
    በለው-ከለው ቆሓይቶ ድባርዋ
    ባጽዕ ፍሸይ ምራራ ከረን ከምዘይለዋ
    ብዕበጦ-ዕበጦ ናብ እስጦብያ ክኣትዋ

    ክሻፋይ ነጸረት
    ኣበደን በለት
    ኣነጺራ ይርኤኩም ኣለኹ
    ካባይ ዝኽወል ዘበት
    ኣፍ ኣውጺኣ ገዓረት

    ኣነ ድማ ፈዘዝኩ
    ‘ንታይ መሳርሒ ድየ ሃንዲሰ በልኩ
    ብውሽጠይ ግን ተሓጎስኩ
    ተሓበንኩ
    ይርደኣኒ ዘረባ ከም ዘብዝሕኩ
    እርጋን ‘ዩ!

  • Nitricc

    hello every one: I was waching a clip that showed the situation in Tigray and the detreirting living standard of the people. And then just hit me that Tigray is suffering under no war no peace. Karma is a biiiitch. The no war no peace was designed to sofucate and destory Eritrea and yet Eritrea survived it for 18 years and Tigray is falling apart not even two years yet. This showes you the Eritrean people’s gusto, determination, fortitude and pride. I know you are going to say Dictator this dictator that but you can’t ignore the way he handle it and navigate the situation, if you have a shred of dignity that is. However; PIA must push for demarcation before the election. Let the border be demarcated while PMAA is in power, coming election, I am not even sure how it will go and what the results are. It is very dangerous situation a head of Ethiopia. I am sure Eritrea will side with PMAA but he is not capable of leading Ethiopia. As they say, Vision with out execution is Hallucination. You can’t just lead a nation PMAA’s way; you can but only to Annihilation and the end of Ethiopia as we know. So, PIA do the right thing close the border deal before the election. I understand you tired to give PMAA time till he settles and you didn’t want exert extra pressure on PMAA but he is going nowhere. let’s take care your own business. Eritreans have paid enough price. close the deal!!!!

  • Peace!

    Hi Paulosay,

    በቃ ኣያይ እንዳበልካ ንዛ ገዛ ካብ እንዳ ዓዋተ ናብ እንዳ ሀፄ ቀይርካያ ወይ ጉድ 😂 Normalizing Genocide course at awate university, hilarious!

    Obviously the lecture has nothing to do with Eritrean cause nor, more importantly, with the mission of this website.

    I understand the concept and the value of free speech, but even free speech has its own limit specially when the victims are voiceless.

    It would be helpful if awate team can help us define “free speech and its limits” in this forum.

    Peace!

    • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

      Selamat all,
      I fully agree with you

    • Paulos

      Selamat ፓቸ ዓርከይ,

      I am really sorry if I offended you and others. And will stop right here and right now from commenting on former Ethiopian rulers and will focus more on the life sciences, social sciences and philosophies alike. Again, my apologies.

      • Aron

        Hi Paulos,
        I wish you don’t give up writing about the past so easily. I am actually loving every bit of it. I am waiting patiently until you challenge Gheteb’s made up history with your sharp pen, keen intellect and vast knowledge. I did not like how how he messed up senior Tegadelti’s history like Beraki and others to give all the credit to Issaias. I certainly would love to read about Ghedli history as tribute to those who sacrificed the most.

        Abi also suggested you write about Alula. I would love to read about him specially in relation to Eritrea because everything I know about him is one source Mamo Wudneh’s book. Aron

        • Paulos

          Selam Aron,

          Thank you so much for those kind words. I am sorry to say this but I am done commenting. Here is the deal though: Never stop learning! Read about everything and anything; anywhere and everywhere! And don’t let any body of knowledge intimidate you no matter how complex it may appear for it is not—for it is there for us to make sense of it and grasp it. God bless!

          • Abi

            Paul
            It does not feel like Friday night.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            Are you kidding me? This is like losing a bulb, at least 1kW that is.
            Stay put and we all can learn from you. If I don’t like your comment, all I have to do is stop reading…just for that single comment.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ማሃንድሳይ,

            I fully agree with what you said and that was the reason I said, “those who are interested” in tandem with the salutation so that it is everyone’s prerogative to chuck it if they don’t like it. More over, I commented on “The Era of the Princes” and “Tewodros II” who were remotely if ever involved in the atrocities that took place in Eritrea where Eritrea wasn’t even crafted out as a nation back then. But again, I don’t want to dwell on the argument for it is already in the past where I will make sure that I don’t comment on Ethiopia’s historical process from now on.

            That said however, if you remember a week or so ago, I said I would comment on Entropy and it’s philosophical implications including its relation with information. I am kinda beat right now but will try tomorrow, God willing that is.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dottere,
            Now you are speaking my language. I have a grudge in history. ኣይ መባልዕተይን ካብ መሰረቱ. ሓንጎል ‘ንድያ ንኢሻ!
            ኣብዚኣ ‘ኳ ‘የ ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ ዝፈትዎም። መታን ድኹም ሓንጎል ከምዘለኒ ከይፍለጥ: ቋንቋ ህግደፍ ይጥቀም።
            እሞ ሕጂ ኣነ ጨጓር ድየ ዓሻስ ዋላ ስኻ በዓል ዱግሪ?

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            ግድየብልካን ሓንጎል ከምዝመልኣካ’ዳኣ ብጋንኡ እንዲና ፈሊጥና፣ የግዳስ ናይቶም ለባማት ኣቦታትካ ትሑት ልቦና ስለዝሓዝካ’ኢኻ ንኣንነት ነጆ ትብሎ’ዘለኻ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            “ብጋንኡ” ክትብል ከለኻ “ብኣጉኡ” ማለትካ’ድዩ? ዝኾነ ኾይኑ ብዛዕባ መሃንድስ ምዕባለ ዝበልካዮ ኣብ ቦትኡ’ሎ:: ናይ ትሕተናዊ ኣዛራርባ ከአ’ዩ:: ግንከአ ብቀጻሊ ንዓቅምኻ ምንእኣስ ከአ ጽብቅ ኣይኮነን:: ከምቲ ናይ ብርዒ ስሙ ዝገልጾ ከአ መሃንድስነት ናይ በላሕቲ ኣእምሮ’ዩ:: I really enjoy the art of his poems, not only in their messages, but also in the structure of the language itself.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም Professor A. Hidrat,

            ተዘይተጋግየ ክልቲኡ ሓደዓይነት ትርጉም ዘለዎ ይመስለኒ። ንምሳሌ–ብጋንኡ ካብ ጋና/ገና ዝብል ቃል ዝወጸ ይመስል። ብኣግኡ’ኻኣ ከብ ኣጋ ዝብል ቃል ዝወጸ ይመስል፣ ንምሳሌ—ኣጋ ወጋሕታ እየ ተባራቢረ—ንብል።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Doctore,

            My take on the words: “ገና” is something that didn’t happen yet, but eventually will happen. “ኣጋ” is something you knew it early on about something. ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ;:

          • Hashela

            Selam All

            I believe that “ኣጋ” has no temporal element but more of an estimate/approximation when quantifying time or timing. I would say “ኣጋ” is close to “approximately” when one announces an event that will happen or has happened.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul, Emma & all,

            Paul, you forgot to say ‘God willing’. Since you repeated it several times yesterday, I was expecting it early today. ሓድሽ ክርስትያን…! 🙂 🙂 :-). ደብረዳሞ ተሳሊምካ ዲኻ ኣብ ዝሓለፈ ግዕዞኻ። ተጸበየኒ ድኣ። ሓንጊርካ ከተደይበኒ። በይነይ እንተኾይነ ረጊሑ ከጽድፈኒ እዩ።
            ብጋንኡ ወይ ብኣጉኡ ከከም ኣከባቢ ንቕመጠሉ ኣጠቓቕምኡ ይፈላለ ይኸውን። ኣነ ብብዝሒ ዝሰምዖን ዝጥቀመሉን ግና ብዓንተቦ ወይከኣ ብዓንተብኡ እዩ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            “ብኣጉኡን” “ብዓንተብኡን” ተመሳሰልቲ ዝውቱራት እንጥቀመሎም ቃላት እዮም:: ኣብ ስነጽሑፋትናውን ዳርጋ ብማዕረ ዝውቱራት እዮም:: Good to bring it up, Hailat.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ገዛ ሊቃውንቲ

    ባር ቶሪኖ ኮፍ ኢሉ …….ጸገም የለን ይብለኒ
    ኣብ ዲሲ ኣራጢጡ ……ኣብ ኤርትራ ጸገም የለን ናይ ባኒ
    ጎቦ እምባ-ሶይራ ተወጢሑ…..ኣብ ፎሮ ሃሩር የለን ይብል ተፈሲሑ
    ቪላታት ንዳፍረሱ…… ክብሉኒ ህንጻታት ተሰሪሑ
    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ‘ንዳ ፈለሰ ……ክዝንቶ ‘ንከሎ በዚሑ
    ኣብ ካርሸሊ ዝተኣስረ ………ክብሉኒ ከለዉ ተፈቲሑ
    ሽዑ ‘ኳ ‘ዩ ደመይ ፈሊሑ
    እምበርዶ ትሓንጎሎም ኣብ ኤረትራ’ዩ ተሰሪሑ?

    ግን…. ዋላ ደመይ ይፍላሕ
    ኣብ ክንዲ ዘናዲ…… ናይ ጸገመይ ፍታሕ
    ኣብ ጓል መንገዲ…… ናይ ትሩፋታት ስራሕ
    ብ ካባይ ዘይሕሹ ይምራሕ
    እሞ

    ኣነስ ፈዛዝ ድየ ….ጎራሕ?
    ተባዕ ድየ ….ዋላ ዘራጥ: ፈራሕ
    ምስ ጮግረይ ከለኹ….. በራሕ
    ብተግባር ባዶ ….. ብኣፈይ ግን እምባሕ
    ጽንክር ምስ በለ ኩነታት….. ናብዛ ገዛ ሰላሕ
    እንቋዕ ኣይሰምዑ በዓል ዓፋ-ቢተው
    ‘ተዝሰምዑስ የእዳዎም ዓሚኾም ምበሉ ዓሕ! ዓሕ! ዓሕ!

    ዘበን ተገላብጦሽ ኮይኑ
    ሓሬት ክፍሰሓሉ ……ንብራሕ
    ፍልጠት ዘይብሉ ……ዓዲ ኣይምራሕ
    ግዜ ኮይኑ ምበር
    ሊቅ ‘ዶ ……ብ በዓል ድኻ-ሓንጎል ይምራሕ?

  • Paulos

    Selam Dawit and Awatistas [Those who are interested],

    If anyone tells you that 1896 marked a turning point in world history when Africans defeated Europeans, I say, think again, because the defeat occurred and history was made all most a century before when Tewodros denied a victory to Napier and refused to surrender–opted to take his own life instead. Only heaven knows what went through his mind at that very moment when he pulled the gun which was given to him a decade earlier by Queen Victoria for a gift where her seal and name was inscribed on it. He must have thought only one exalting feeling—total victory! That was Kassa Hailu, a self-made and a self-distracted who gained immortality to eternity when no leader who came after him lived to the high bar of heroism he set forth including Colonel Megistu Hailemariam who many thought would follow Tewodros’ rite of passage. And that is precisely the difference between ordinary and extraordinary!,

    On personal level, Tewodros II never had any issue with Europeans, in fact he remained loyal to those he trusted and vengeful to those he felt betrayed him. He crossed to Tigrai in search of the Tigrean ruler–Agew N’guse and killed him there after when the latter conspired the killing of the British adventurer John Bell and the British council Plowden, for instance. Agew N’guse who was on a verge of converting to Catholicism instigated the killing of the two Brits who were Protestants. Moreover, Tewodros had the liking of John Bell in particular when the latter introduced him to the works of Shakespeare and the former granted him land when he settled and married a local woman and produced children.

    We certainly are getting ahead of ourselves though.

    In the last comment, we stopped at the final years of the “Era of the Princes” when Ras Ali of Yejju fled and Wube of Semien was killed as Tewodros pursued them. As you may have noticed, the historical highlight was limited to the Northern part of the nation where Shoa was never mentioned. It was for a reason. Shoa had brilliantly insulated itself when it came out not only unscathed during the turbulent century but it had consolidated its power as well. To be brief, power passed in succession from King Asfaha-Wessen to his son Wessen–Seged then to Sahle-Selasie and later to Haile-Melekot who is essentially relevant to the issue we have at hand. As we said, when Ras Ali fled to the Tulama Oromo, he was rescued by Haile-Melekot when he helped him return to Yejju. This angered Tewodros II and advanced into Wollo. The confused who was also sick King of Shoa made an alliance with the Wollo chiefs but was deserted by his younger brother Seifu-Sellasie who was in charge of Wollo but retreated to Menz instead.

    In the meantime, the Oromos who had been waiting for an opportune time rebelled against Haile-Melekot, burned the villages. Increasingly beleaguered, Haile-Melekot burned Debre-Burhan to keep provisions there from falling into Tewodros’ hands. He died at Ankober, probably of Malaria, in November 1855, barely thirty years old. When Haile-Melekot was very young, he fathered a son from one of the servants named Ejigayehu in the imperial court and he named the new born baby boy Menilik II. When the remaining Shoan chiefs escaped Tewodros’ unrelenting wrath, they took the 11 years old Minilik with them but when they were finally got caught up by Tewodros’ loyal forces, they were asked to bring the young boy with them and Tewodros raised him as his son and later married him to his daughter Alitash. Menilik II went on to have a decisive impact not only on Ethiopia’s historiography but played a lasting role in Eritrea’s fate as well [A narrative for another time.]

    Tewodros II had been born in Qwara, West of Lake Tana. His father was a governor of Qwara and said to have died when Tewodros was a child. His widowed mother–Attitegeb raised him selling Kosso [worm] killer in the market of Gonder. And Tewodros is believed to had been fluent in Arabic, he garnered through his interaction with the Sudanese growing up at the border.

    When he came of age, he joined his elder half-brother Kinfu-Hailu and as a youth participated in his campaigns gaining valuable military experience and a reputation for strength and bravery. After his elder half-brother Kinfu was killed, Kassa [Tewodros] joined Dejazmatch Birru of Gojjam and then withdrew to Qwara where he spent his twenties as chief of Shifta [Outlaw] band plundering caravans, gathering livestock, grain and slaves. During that time, people on the receiving end praised him for his generosity when he distributed the booty among the poor and later historians dubbed him “Robin Hood.”

    To back up a bit, by 1845, Kassa [Tewodros] had a large following and was too powerful to be ignored by the then rulers of the Yejju Dynasty. Ras Ali’s mother Itege Menen offered him the Ras’ daughter Tewabech in marriage and confirmed him ruler of Qwara. His relationship with Tewabech was strong but with Menen was temporary for his eye was already set on the throne. And grew recalcitrant so to speak as he kept refusing taking orders from his father-in-law the Ras.

    In 1849, the Ras summoned him to Debre-Tabor, Kassa [Tewodros] refused and the Ras declared war, but neither could defeat the other. They reconciled and Kassa [Tewodros] joined the Ras and Goshu campaigning in Gojam. He spent the years 1850-1 in Agewmider. Differences developed and Ras Ali sent an army against him in 1852. Kassa [Tewodros] withdrew to Qwara to prepare for the struggle that would bring him to the throne.

    In the 26 months between November 1852 and February 1855, in four major battles, Kassa defeated all the major leaders who had arisen in North-West Ethiopia during the previous twenty five years, became King of Kings Tewodros II, and consciously set about changing the course of Ethiopian history. The Era of the Princes was set at an end, but time of severe testing laid ahead. Crowned by Abuna Salama at the Church of Derasge Maryam on 11 February 1855. Tewodros proclaimed his intention of uniting and revitalizing his country when he said: The political anarchy, moral laxity and technological backwardness of his people threatened national survival. The reforms he announced, the policies he tried to implement, the very singlemindedness and perseverance with which he tackled the challenges, indicate that he aimed at nothing less than a national revival combined with the transformation of his country into a modern state.

    He renamed himself Tewodros after the first Tewodros who reigned briefly in the beginning of the 15th Century. And it was believed that under him, the land of Abyssinian enjoyed peaceful and prosperous era and prophecy arose where in the future years there would be an advent of a similar ruler who would elevate the land into greatness and prosperity. Kassa truly believed that he was the One. But of course, he was disillusioned in the end but remained a true believer when he refused to surrender but opted to take his own life instead when the only way out was heroism instead of capitulation.

    • Teodros Alem

      selam paulos
      I think u forgot to say, after tewodros liberated part of tigrai(endrta, hawzin, agame and so on) from “wagshum”(people from “agaw sekota”) rulers, they were loyal to wube, tewodros gave it to yohannes to be a ruler.

      • Paulos

        Tedros,

        You’re right. Wanted to bring it if I do a comment on Yohannes IV next time around, God willing that is.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Paul,

      Well written. I don’t know who is next in your coming biblioglorify BTW. Anyway, I am enjoying. I enjoy reading you, even if only for the juicy finesse of your scriptures. With your verb you would convinced the devil to heed to heaven.
      Who wouldn’t be captivated by Tewodros? The laudable ambition of unity and order he expressed placed a translucent shawl paling the red cloud he left all over Abyssinia. His “fear of God” and the threats of excommunicated abused by Aba Selama, the guardian of heaven and “Gods representative” imported from Alexandria at the cost of so many slaves placed Tewordos in ambiguity between right and wrong, ultimately defying his God with blood. Had he been a convinced internal Atheist, he would have ended either before the smell of glory or would have grasped the whole glory by cutting the umblical cord to Alexandria and refusing to entertain the ideas of the opportunist representatives of Vatican, by proclaiming autocephaly of his tumultuous church! Who knows?
      But things happened the way they happened. Tewodros eliminated the unpredictable Agew Neggusie. Had the Agew succeeded in replacing his bloody uncle (ውቤ), we would have a ‘djibouti’ in the Adulis bay. No one knows its inland extension. Its name would have been Adulisiae (where is Gheteb). Paulos would have been names Jean-Baptiste-Paul and France would have been our destination! Anyway, we are there now in Calais! A premonition? Perhaps.

      Paul, the turning point you talked about would have been a turn and the rag that was pulled off the British boot would have been a golden-rag had Tewodros used the Abyssinian Shotel (ሾተል) or the famous Sebastopol as the last salvo to remove himself away. Contrary to his intention, however, he hurriedly gave back the glory by drinking the British Pistol (as the legend goes).

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Well put. And I agree. Tewodros was a beautiful soul with a steeled spirit who lived ahead of his time and yet misunderstood by a nation refused to move on and come out from the abyss of backwardness. His vision was extraordinary but again his resolve could not match his recklessness when he held the British citizens captives that led to his downfall and as you put it his pathological obsession with the big cannon [Sebastopol] as well.

      • Paulos

        Hailat,

        Sorry I meant to say you, of course not Abination.

        • Abi

          Paul
          የቴዎድሮስ ወታደር ውሽማውን ” በቴወድሮስ ሞት አንዴ ሳሚኝ” አላት ይባላል:: It shows you how much he was loved by his army.

          Next class should be discussing ራሥ አሉላ::
          Thanks

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Who wouldn’t love and admire Tewodros! Will try to comment on Yohannes IV in tandem with Alula, God willing that is.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You mean Gadi willing?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Yea true and hope he won’t issue a new directive on banning comments which glorify Solomonic Dynasty 😂.

            ኣያይ እንደምታውቀው ደግ ታጋሽ’ና ጨዋ ሰው ነው ነገርግን የክብረ ነገስት ነገር ሲነሳ ኣያስችለውም ይዘገንነዋል።

          • Abi

            Paul
            He should read it halfheartedly.
            ያቺ ደካማ ልብ ጭራሽ እንዳታኮርፍ መጠንቀቁ አይከፋም::
            ትዕግስቱንማ ተሸክመውታል::
            እኔን ደስ የሚሉኝ ሲቆጡ ነው:: ቁጣ ያምርባቸዋል::
            “Type your reply”, ይሉት ነበር እዮብን ሲቆጡት::

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Did Yohannes IV and Alula claim descendence from the Solomonic dynasty? Yohannes had the Lion on his seal, but the written material does not say ዘእምነገደ ይሁዳ, I think.
            On Kibre Negest, it is well documented that Yohannes asked the british in writing to return back the Kibre Negest they took from Tewodros’s library.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            They all claimed to be inheritors of the Axumite Kingdom and by extension the Solomonic Dynasty including Yohannes and Alula. And remember there had been three rulers before him during the medieval period who were named Yohannes where they hailed from Gonder and Gojam.

            Moreover, as you put it, Yohannes asked the British to give him back the ክብረ-ነገሰት and the way he framed his request or supplication was ingenious when he said, my people won’t recognize my Kingdom and won’t give me legitimacy without the ክብረ-ነገስት on my hand. Constitutionalism foretold, one could argue.

          • Haile S.

            Thank you Paul,
            The last sentence you mentioned on legitimacy…., was an inferred statement, not written in the original letter of Yohannes. There is an article, I don’t recall the author now, that published the original letter and its english translation.
            On the relationship of Axumite kingdom and Solomonic dynasty, I don’t see. I will be back on it for tomorrow or weekend.
            Best

          • Teodros Alem

            selam haile s
            tewodros has a lion on his seal, yohannes has a cross and lion on his seal and minilek has a cross and a lion and a crown.
            what do u think solomonic dynasty mean ? It is a myth that started from the axum king of minilek 1st, according to the myth minilek 1st was the son of queen of shaba and king Solomon of Israel.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Teodros,

            The story of Axum can be told from its rubbles. The legend of Solomonic dynasty cannot be reconstructed from a dream that suddenly came (13th century) more than 2000 years after the Solomonic times.
            Our Peace came to Awate reminding Paul to change subject. I agree.
            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            selam haile s
            1, solomonic dynasty means a dynasty of axum queen of shaba and king Solomon of isreal.
            2, 13th country is the restoration of the dynasty, after it interrupted by yodit after the axum royalties fleed to shawa.
            3, dynasty, a line of rulers of a country and the history of each time is so different, .
            4th, what do u think is axum kingdom means?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Teodros,

            On your question, I suggest you to read:
            Aksum: An African Civilisation of Late Antiquity. Stuart C. Munro-Hay. Edinburgh University Press, 1991

            On the veracity of the stories you mentioned, in your previous comment, you said:
            “what do u think solomonic dynasty mean ? It is a myth that started from the axum king of minilek 1st, according to the myth minilek 1st was the son of queen of shaba of axum and king Solomon of Israel.”

            You are contradicting yourself. You said it is a myth. Do you know what is a myth? It means with NO basis at all, like the greek mythology. The story we are talking is not myth as you put it. It is a legend, better than how you qualified it. Legend is a created story that cannot be verified, but based on materials that existed. Saba existed, Solomon existed. That they spent the night together to bear a son is a story created in the 13 century. That is a legend.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam haile s
            It doesn’t matter the word myth or legend. The point is saba and Solomon spent the night together to bear a son(legend or myth) is NOT a story created in the 13 century, it is a story of the axum royalties before restoration in the 13th centuries. That is exactly why i asked u about axum kingdom.
            Axume trade with India or China and about kings and queens of axum is a different story.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Teodros,

            When you say “whether myth or legend….” and when you affirm it is your reality, for something you qualified yourself as myth, it reminds me of a french philosopher, Cioran, who said the following on fanatic people. Translation included.

            Le fanatisme est la mort de la conversation. On ne bavarde pas avec un candidat au martyre. Que dire à quelq’un qui refuse de penetrer vos raisons et qui, du moment que l’on ne s’encline pas devant les siennes, aimerait mieux perir que ceder.

            English translation:
            Fanaticism is the death of conversation. We don’t chat with a candidate for martyrdom. What to say to someone who refuses to penetrate your reasons and who, as long as we do not bow to his own, would rather perish than give in.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam haile s
            I think u r pathetic, i think u trying to create myth out of myth and legend to make u feel good,
            for me the history of the world, not just axume or whatever is the history of legends and when pathetic people like u, used it for poltical reason, such as to unite the country or to gain legitimacy or to boost self-esteem proposes, it will become myth because they can’t show any evidence, they just keep twisted the already twisted myth or legend.
            Ethiopia(except felasha) don’t have blood relationship with isreal and dna can verified that .

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            I’m listening “ Who Lets the Dogs Out” by Baha Men while reading your comments.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            I thought u r a guy from the 70ths or early 80th kind of.guy? like woreta wubetu, hirut bekele .
            2000 getting jaggi wit it, wili smith, concord, solomon lipstick, any idea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            ንዓኻ ኸአ አርኪቡልካ ኣንታ ሃይላት:: ዘይለኸፎ ሰብ የብሉን እዚ ሰብዚ:: ንብዙሓት ምስኡ ንኸይዋስኡ ኣታሓሳሲበ ነይረ: አይስተባህልካለይን እንተዘይ ኮይንካ:: ሕሰበሉ ደአ::

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኤማ፡

            እወ ኣስተባሂለልካ። ንዘረባኻ እንዳዘከርኩ እየ መሊሰሉ፡ ተስፋ ስለዘይቆረጽኩ። ሕጂ ግና ኣነ’ውን ኣኺሉኒ እዩ። ሓቅኻ።

          • Abi

            Hello ጋሽ ኃይለ
            I’m sure you were thinking the song “ What a Night “ by the Four Seasons when you penned your comment.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            You know that I love history and that took to early religious books. Let me tell you what brought ISIS and it’s sisters, history and narrations developed in the rulers’ halls and for the benefit of the power of the day. That is usually sustained by intellectuals who pump life into the one sided narrations that commoners dwell on. The result is mayhem. So, it’s expected of critical historians or scholars and general intellectuals to have a slight solidarity with the victims of the legends and mythologies. That is because it creates a warped self worth to those who associate themselves with the perpetrators of injustice. And in turn the sloppy narration sustain all the ills of societies especially when dealing with lethal ruler-chart narrations. That my friend is what ails Abyssinya that most of its scholars feed supermacist views and impede true justice and equality. So, the Abyssinian narration is full of bigotry that polishes and advances one sects history at the expense of the other half. And that is the gist of the struggle that went on for centuries. My hope is that those who can should focus on reconciling the misrepresentation and stop towing, in our case, the Solomonic superstitions.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Saleh,

            My apologies if I offended you.

          • Abi

            Hello Professor Paulos
            Thank you for all the History Classes at Awate University. I’m sorry to see the History Department is closing due to luck of support from the Administration.
            I admire your bravery!!!!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Many thanks for the vote of confidence and support. I understand the sensitivity of the issue but if there is anything we learned from our respective adoptive countries, it is the culture of civil discourse where differences of opinions are not only tolerated but celebrated as well [My comments on piece of history are far from being sensitive to be honest.] If what we see is a prelude to the hopeful post-PFDJ Eritrea, as the folks in the South put it, የኸርናይ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            I totally agree with you. የኸርናይ ጥራይልካ !
            What does that mean?

          • Peace!

            Ras Abi,

            Don’t be sorry:) መረጃ university offers variety of classes on eulogizing genocide, just in case you wish to keep on going.

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Peace
            I see the opposition flexing its muscles.

          • Abi

            Peace
            It is definitely a bravery of the highest level. Opposing or blocking it is a sign of cowardice.

          • Peace!

            Ras Abi,

            The point is not arguing about tainted books rather Eritreans physically experienced horrific brutality by the emperors, and as a result, they had to fight and die to liberate themselves. This was true yesterday and is today. Trying to rewrite that on a platform that stands for reconciliation is indeed an abuse.

            By the way: Extra credit for you and Amanuel Hidrat for keeping the class quiet 🤫 (poor Tedros)

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            “Trying to rewrite that on a platform that stands for reconciliation is indeed an abuse.” Really? I am out for good from the Forum. All the best!

          • Abi

            Paul
            You can not possibly leave Abination.

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            ኣይትውዕሎን I know Ras Abi እዩ ማኖ ኣትሒዙካ.

            Peace!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጳውልሻ፡

            ፎር ጉድ? ወይ ጉድ! ዩ ኣር ውሮንግ!

            ክንደይ ጊዜ ከንፈርና ዘይሓበጠ
            ክሳብ ዘጸግሞ እኽሊ ዝውሓጠ

            ቃላት እንተበርትዔ ሓሓሊፉ
            ክወጽእ ኣለዎ ተነቒፉ
            ክተርፍ የብሉን ተኣፊፉ
            ዘጥፍእ ኣይንግበሮ ኣኾርኒፉ

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            Don’t underestimate the gravitational pull of the host star.
            Any attempt of a break away by terrestrial (rocky) and gaseous planets and their satellites (moons) has so far failed miserably.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            Here is a scene from one of my fav movies and listen to what the man says at the end of the dialogue.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPa4RFLJ-0

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            Nice way of saying it. I haven’t watched this one. I will try this weekend.
            Best

          • Abi

            Hello ጋሽ ኃይለ
            “እውር ቢሸፍት እስከ ጏሮ” ይላሉ የናንተ ሰዎች::
            That is an outstanding movie. You will love it.

          • Abi

            Peace
            The Extra credit is yours for shutting down the department and forcing the Professor to resign.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Had been traveling last night, and I just woke up. No my dear, I am not offended at all. I have gone through that all my life, in classrooms, books, streets, chats, etc. I have also lived through its repercussions. Now allow me to say this to you trusting you will not mind because I believe you will appreciate the spirit and honesty I say it. I am not offended Paulos, I am a bit disappointed because I expected a more insight fro you than just repeating the tired legends uncritically and unfairly. Also, you mentioned Yohannes and if you treated it in a similar manner, I am sure it would have forced me to throw the towel and give up altogether. That is what I was preventing, I thought. But leaving aside the usual ማርገብገብ, I hope you can positively testify to the commitment of awate.com, its forum and everyone affiliated with it, on freedom of expression.

            One thing that caught my mind is (a I wish-I-said-it type) was Peace’s comment.

            Many people have written on Nazis, fascists, Hulagu, and other monsters of the world. I would not feel okay writing the history of Hitler or his Nazis positively from their perspective. That is because we know what transpired from their supermacist ideas and deeds. Now we are in a situation where we can fully understand Nazis, for example, and we can’t honestly treat them as innocent people. I am sure you agree with me that people should not use freedom of expression to be rude and indecent. That has been our main problem in training to find a balance to run this forum smoothly.

            Note: if it was not you or anyone close toy our level of intelligence, I wouldn’t even bother. In Arabic they say, qelTet alshaaTir b’alf–meaning, the mistake of the intelligent is a thousand fold. But then there are annoying remarks that attract attention not for their insight or intelligence, but for their not so-covert intentions, rudeness, and mischief. That is all.

            First I apologize to you for this unusual communication.

            Then I apologize for those who think freedom of expression is a one-way communication. Usually, people consider the first salvo as freedom of expression while any reply to it is a curtailing of the same. Twisted belief that proves they do not understand the freedom of expression is a two-way vehicle like the “Lottorina.”

            Thank you

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ras Abi,
            For the sanity of the forum, please have mercy. Jokes can go to a limited distance. When it involves poking, iit could provokes tit-for-tat and I am careful and restrained because I know what follows. We were good for a short time, let’s keep it respectful that way, please. I hate losing the little sense of humor that I have and I don’t want to go there. Help me.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            ምነው እንዲህ ሆድ ይብስዎታል? እንዲህ ሰበብ እየፈለጉ መቆጣት ጥሩ አይደለም::
            ቁጣ ክፉ ነው ከደግ ሰው አይጠበቅም::

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Paulos,
      I have a serious issue with your narration 🙂
      I don’t think Napier’s goal was to capture Tedros alive. It was to free the captives whom he forced to build him the Sovistopol which didn’t function. Napier’s goal was to free the captives which he did. The prize captive was Hurmuz Rassam, the British envoy which he did. And he defeated Tedros’ army after Tedros pushed scores of his soldiers over the cliff to die because he said they didn’t fight gallantly. Mendelssohn was looted, Tedros’ wife and son was taken by the British forces so was the many artifacts, including the crown some of which are still in British museums. Did Napier fail in the campaign? You think again dear:-)

      By the way, Haile selassie rehabilitated Tedros in the 60 to use him as an icon to promote unity. Until then, he was an outcast, non Solomonic usurper by the king. Western Ethiopia led resurrected Tedros. Now he is a legend though newly made one , relatively speaking.

      • Paulos

        Selam Ayay,

        There are serious scholars who argue to that effect where as you said, Napier’s intention was never to capture Tewodros but to free the captives. Tewodros had written a letter to that effect when he exhausted all efforts saying that, he would agree to free the captives but Napier wouldn’t badge but pressed on instead. And Tewodros refused to surrender for he fully knew that, he was responsible for his reckless actions and payed the price him and himself without outsourcing his miscalculation onto others. And of course, we would never know what Napier’s intentions were had Tewodros lived through the confrontation. In fact, funny at it may seem, when Napier closed in on him, Tewodros asked him for a one to one fight as in sort of a duel and Napier a total annihilation but Tewodros denied him what Napier truly wanted.

        As naive as it may seem, he held the hostages not of course for a random but to gain attention from Britain in particular so that he can get all the help he needed to modernize his country. Moreover, that was one of the reasons he welcomed the Protestant missioners [Samuel Gobat] not so much to convert the “heathen” but again to help him modernize his army and other modern technologies as well.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Paulos,
        Agree, but the call for a duel was a story retroactively invented. If Tedros was thinking about avoiding the confrontation, he would have done so when Napier was giving him one ultimatum after the another. And he knew Napier has already contacted Yohannes and was building the docking infrastructure for his ships on the seashore, including a railway to the hinterland. But he didn’t do anything to avert the war when what asked for him for a long time was to free the captives. What would the invented duel with Napier solve? Nothing because Napier didn’t come all the way with a huge army to have a duel with Tedros. But the typical peasant warlord couldn’t see what was coming, just like our present leaders, and faced his fate.

        But is it natural for an intellectual like you to drag a story, knowing it’s just a legend? That was my serious reservation. If we go that far, then Haile Selassie also killed boys whose eyebrows were connected, at Bushuftu. I can’t mention such superstitions, legends and lies in a serious debate about history, but that is only me, I could be wrong. Please use a thin sift if you do anything on the violent, backward kings who wreaked havoc all over the region, with nothing to show for it, except the feel good legends that is used as a playbook and driving the supermacist of today 🙂

        • Paulos

          Selam Ayay,

          The duel narrative is not a legend. It is a fact where Tewodros corresponded with Napier through messengers. Certainly, I am not trying to sanctify his legacy but to highlight his formative years where it would take me a full book if I detailed all his wrong-doings including cutting off limbs of those who crossed or betrayed him including the clergy particularly as he grew erratic and unpredictable when he lost the woman he truly loved and trusted–his wife Tewabech.

          Again, my intention is to highlight the decisive role of successive Ethiopian leaders and how they compete against each other, some driven by a just cause to better the society and others for personal glory where history is the ultimate judge and a lesson for the present leaders either to repeat the ugly legacy or learn from it lest relive it.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Saleh Johar
        2 things,
        1, tewodros wife dead earlier before tewodros death, only his son was taken by the British.
        2, the shawa royalty never liked tewodros because he killed so many of them by dropping from the mountain and cutting their hands.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ቆሪረ ‘ለ የዕዘምዝም
    ምስ ጠመኹ ምስ በዓልቲ ቤተይ ይራገም
    ተሓሚመ ሸበድበድ ይብል ክሕከም
    መሰለይ ምስተገፈፈ ግን ትም
    ጥርቅም
    ናተይ ነገር የስደምም!

    ኮርኲሑኒ ‘ለ ሃተውተው
    ምስ ኮብለልኩ ኣብ ጸሓይ ቀንፈዘው
    የግዳስ

    ኣብ ካርሸሊ ተደርብዩ ጅግና ቢተው
    ብዘይ ገለነገር ከም ዝማሰንኩ ደው
    ከምዘይ ዓንደርክሉ ግንባር ናደው?
    ዘሕፍር ዩ

    ግን ሕፍረተይ ካብ ዘልግሶ
    ክብረት ኣቦታተይ ካብ ዘይለብሶ
    ታሪኽ ኣያታተይ ካብ ዘይወርሶ
    እኳ ደኣ ዕለታት ሓሊፉ ካብ ዘፍርሶ
    እሞ
    ሕጂ ዶ ይክኣል ንዝተደፍአ ማይ ክሓፍሶ
    ዋይ ኣነ ግድሽ ፋልሶ

    • Hashela

      Selam Engineer

      Thank you for aptly and eloquently capturing our collective failure to protect our nation’s independence and its territorial sovereignty, to protect our heroes and their legacy, and preserve our social values from a gradual destruction by few people we believed they belong to us.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you, Dr.!
        Can you imagine if you and few other highly educated Eritreans at Awate, were lecturing the young [future gen] Eritreans back home?
        ከምዚ ‘ለ ክሓስብ ከለኹ ድቃስ ለይቲ ‘ኸልኣኒ።
        “እዚ ውን ክሓልፍ ‘ዩ” ይብሉ ‘ሞ ለባማት: ኣነ ድማ ኣፍኩም ይስዓር ይብል።

        • Hashela

          “ኣይትብከዪ እንድዩ ደብክየኒ ደሎ” ትብል ዓባየ ለቱ።

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Selam All,

    I have been in and out at Awate the last couple of weeks, and I do not know if someone has already picked up on a news item that was reported 4 days ago by some Eritrean websites (or if the reported story has been mentioned at all at this Forum).

    The news report has it that the Eritrean regime has secretly dispatched “several” political, military and intelligence officials of the PFDJ government to Abu Dhabi, UAE for medical treatment. It specifically identifies the following individuals as being in the group:

    1. Brig. Gen. Abraha Kassa (Chief of Intelligence and National Security)
    2. Brig. Gen. Humed Karikare (Commander of the Navy)
    3. Askalu Menkerios (Minister of Tourism)
    4. Araia Desta (Envoy to the European Union)
    5. Abdella Mussa (Former Ambassador to Libya).

    The news report (which claims to have obtained information from the hospital where the group is receiving treatment) adds that:

    * Members of the group were not allowed to be accompanied by (on the trip) or receive visits from (at the hospital) by relatives,
    * They are hospitalized at Zaid Military Hospital in Abu Dhabi,
    * Their medical expenses will be covered entirely by the U.A.E. Crown Prince, Sheik Mohammed Bin Zaid,
    *No information is available on the specific medical problems that members of the group are suffering from,
    * Their case is being handled by the regime as top secret.

    It would be nice to hear from Forumers who may have any additional/latest information on the subject OR who may be able to provide clarification and/or analysis of what exactly these “trip” and “medical treatment” are all about.

    Thank you

    • bardavidi

      HI…..Yohannes…….Despite being kept as Secret……..There is always a Leak or two to come out of their Dungeon……..MG Karikare has been to Doha previously several Times and now to Abu-Dahbi multiple times supposedly has a Recurring Colon problem……..MG Abraham Kassa…….Has been there since 09 thru10 -2019 had resigned from his position and is Totally incapacitated due to an Advanced Leukemia/Cancer…….One of his Deputies a Colonel had been wounded in an assasination attempt but will make it……….Selah

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Selam bardavidi,

        Thank you for responding to my request and for sharing what are new (at least to me) details related to the subject of the report.

        The pieces of information you provided on the health status of the Generals are very important and interesting if they can be proven to be true. I only wonder why these “info items” — i.e., the stated health conditions — have not made the rounds of opposition websites if their victims have been suffering from them for such extended periods.

        Anyways, whatever the facts of the matter, the news story piqued my curiosity and I have a hunch that — given the identity of these people and their individual professions, responsibilities, roles, etc. in “government” — they were dispatched to Abu Dhabi on some important assignment and that the “medical treatment” explanation was devised to camouflage the true nature of their mission!

        Thanks again.

        • bardavidi

          Hi…….Yeah……You can find a lot of Info. on opposition Media as such But, their direct-Feed is usually very limited and most comes out too late to be Current in the news…….Actually you can get more current about the Internal-Eritrean affairs by Sticking around the Border area than on Opposition medias………..That is mainly due to the Lack of active Intelligence on the Ground that the Opposition is capable of Managing……..The Individuals you mentioned are not there for Official Business……….They all have Exhausted their last Medical Resources in Asmara…..Like Sibhat and Wuchu……..When its not locally treatable and chronic it used to be Doha and lately the only HI-way is to Abu-Dhabi……….Selah

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Hi bardavidi,

            Thank you for the additional clarifications. I fully agree with you that the opposition’s capabilities for securing intelligence on the regime’s plans, strategies, behind-the-scenes actions and intra-regime dynamics (relationships, animosities, spying, conspiracies, etc.) have been almost nil. Indeed, I had in the past been critical of the opposition movement for having failed to develop such capabilities.

            However, I have lately come to appreciate how difficult the task normally is, and how particularly daunting it has been in our case — rendered so, in large part, by the unique nature of the regime in Eritrea. The difficulty of the situation would be obvious if one considers existing realities such as the secrecy of the regime, the extremely small circle of aides familiar with the strongman’s mood and privy to his decision-making idiosyncrasies, the unorthodox manner in which those aids conduct “government” business, the regime’s stifling spying and surveillance setups, etc.

            For these reasons, it seems the opposition movement would have a better shot at penetrating the veil of secrecy the regime has put around itself if it adopts a strategy that combines (i) establishing a proximate info-gathering mechanism and striving to ensure its efficient operation (as you correctly suggested), (ii) keeping tabs on events and developments inside the country, and (iii) maintaining close and regular contacts with astute (and preferably well-placed) informants.

            Finally, I must state that my doubts about the veracity of the latest story emanated from two factors. About three weeks ago, I read an article that explained Isaias’s Machiavellian tactics of ensuring loyalty of his government officials: “Subject one to extreme humiliation and, if they take it well, reward them with power and privileges.” As an example, the article cites Brig. Gen. Eyob Fessehaie (Halibay) who was imprisoned for few years shortly after independence on trumped-up corruption charges. He was later released & rehabilitated and has, in the last decade and a half, been growing in political stature achieving his present position of commander of the “Special Forces” that were previously led by Gen Philipos. Yet, the article stresses, Halibay’s request for permission to seek medical attention abroad was denied by Isaias a couple of months ago! This story coupled with the unusual case of this many officials being sent abroad for medical treatment all at the same time are bound to create doubts in one’s mind.

            Thank you

    • Paulos

      Selam Johnny,

      I personally don’t buy it. A week or so ago, Assenna brought a supposed insider scoop from Eritrea where about 20 middle and high ranking military officers presented a series of questions to Yemane Gebreab during a meeting where some of the questions were demanding for Isaias Afwerki to leave office for they say he is getting old. Moreover, it went on to say that, other questions were related to the leaders’ Tigrean bloodline and something to that effect I don’t exactly remember the questions. What was even stunning is the fact that, Assenna called out the names of all the military personnels who asked the series of questions.

      For me it was not only too good to be true but hard to believe as well. I am sorry to say this but I think the strategy on Assenna’s part is to keep the momentum of the Yi’akil movement going by feeding Diaspora a conjured up stories that would make it look like as if the army is on the Yi’akil side as well. That said however, I wish the story was true and I am open to hear an authentic version of it as in if Gedab News can back it up, for instance.

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Selam Paulos,

        I fully agree with your assessment of the recent story that was put out by Assena a few days ago. I heard the story from a friend the day it came out, but I did not bother to check it out for all the reasons you stated in your post.

        As we all know, reliability of sources and verification of their stories are sacred journalistic requirements that are crucial to the reputation and effective operation of a news medium. I have no doubt that, as you pointed out in your comments, the information in question was released as news report with good intentions on Assena’s part. Furthermore, no one can underestimate the contributions that Assena has been making to Eritrean efforts of pushing forward the movement for change.

        Despite these facts, however, we all should be concerned when we witness a violation of the fundamental requirements of responsible reporting. Apart from the question of principles, such a violation is bound to lead to erosion of public trust, hence will damage the reputation of Assena and undermine the services it could provide to the movement! It should also be emphasized that Eritrea’s Justice and Democracy Movement cannot afford to sacrifice its long-term interests for short-term gains. In fact, in the particular case at hand, there was not even a short-term gain to be had since it ought to have been obvious that the fallacy of the news released will be exposed in a matter of few days.

        A lingering consequence of that incident is that the credibility of news reports that Assena releases in the future will be in question in the minds of many readers/listeners unless, of course, Assena takes effective measures to rectify the problem.

        Thank you

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Awate,
    ከምትፈልጡኒ: ኣነ ጨጓር ዳንጋ ወድዚ ኩሩዕ ጨጓር ዳንጋ, ምሁራት ዝበሃሉ ኣይወሓጡለይን ‘ዮም።
    ስለምንታይሲ” ኣብ ክንዲ ናይ ፈላጥ ወዲ ሃገሮም ዝበሎ ዝነግሩ: ናይ ሓደ ጻዕዳ ከምዝበለ ክብሉ ይህውትቱ። እዝስ ምስምንታይ ይቑጸር? ትፈልጥዎ ዓርክኹም መማህርትኹም ወዲገዛውትኹም ከምዚ ይብል ኔሩ ዘይትብሉ?
    በጃኻትኩም ሓንጎልና ክትሓጽብዎ [brain-wash ማለት ‘ዩ] ኣይትፈትኑ።
    “በሊሕ ሰብ ታሪኽ ይሰርሕ: በሊሕ ‘የ ኢሉ ዝሓስብ ሰብ ድማ ናይ በሊሕ ሰብ ታሪኽ ከዘንቱ ይዓርቦ!”

    Once upon a time one guy asked another if they can hire the smartest Jeopardy ever seen person and his answer was “why don’t I buy an encyclopedia?”

    It is not about how much you can remember but how do you solve a never seen problem.
    Is that why Eritreans are stuck at this stage?

    ኣንታ ‘ዛ ሰበይቲ ኣበይ ሓቢኣቶ ‘ዚ ኣረቂ? ከይደ ‘ለኹ ሕጂዝ ኣይትረብሹኒ።

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Dr Paulos,

    If a historian checked it with appreciation to your account, your readers will go with it. Actually, before Ismail came with his comment on it, I said wow, this is very interesting from a self-learned historian. Good job, Doctore. Even Abi who is proud with the history of his country, I bet, he will not do a par to your historical account.

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      Glad you liked it. Certainly, one way or another, we all are students of history where more often than not we see patterns if not parallels between now and then when history seems to repeat itself. And the objective of paying close attention to history is not to regurgitate so to speak but to make sure that we don’t become its victims but take full charge of the future in such a way that it turns out an advantage to the present and future generations.

      I should have cited my sources of the literature but if any I often rely on the works of Bahru Zewdie, Harold Marcus and Paul Henze.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        ዶርሆ ዝጻሕረተቶ ዝመስል ቆናጻቢ ትሕዝቶ ርእይቶ እንተ ሪኢኻ: ግዲ አይትግበረሉ ኢኻ ሓደራኻ:: አመሉ’ዩ ንኸምኡ’ዩ ተዋፊሩ ዘሎ:: You know to whom I am referring.

      • Abi

        Paul
        I have worked under Bahru Zewdie when he was responsible for organizing the 11th International conference of Ethiopian Studies. He was Director of IES at that time. This conference took place just before the fall of Derg.
        IES = institutes of Ethiopian studies.

        • Paulos

          Abination,

          I met him once when he was making a tour in North America in a bid to help out the university students [back in Addis] with academic books which were in short supply particularly in the department of social studies.

          What I admire about him is that, he has a brilliant command of the English language where it is reflected on his books. I am not sure if he is still academically active or retired.

          • Abi

            Paul
            uncle google told me Prof Bahru is back at AAU.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Paulos –

            Many thanks for your service delivered without holding back. Its a huge service for those of us who was half educated through Derg and EPRDF semi broken education system …

            Ato Bahiru’s family are neighbors of my grandparents in Geja sefer, near Mexico or Lideta,…I heard he is still strong and active, remained extremely professional unlike many power historians. I should ask more about him.

            Cheers,

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            We haven’t seen you around in this Forum for a while. Hope all is well with you. Glad the Professor is still doing what he does best. In fact, he came to mind the other day when I saw Professor Merara Gudina giving interview and I don’t even know how he got his advanced degrees much less to see him on par with Bahru Zewdie and Tamrat Tadesse—giants in Ethiopian history. Gudina is a joke to be honest. Sorry I digress.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Paulos –

            I understand what you mean on Merera Gudina – however – our political system was never open enough for Merera to be blunt and eloquent …rather he had to develop a funny way of expression to survive out of jail; as he lived all his life in Ethiopia.

            Plus – the substance of our political argument is about historical narratives but not concrete policy outlook; makes it diffcult to see ones true capacity. The tricky Amharic mainstream media wanted to keep the discussion stack at Minilik time and to some extent succeeded to keep Merera explaining the basics of Ethiopian political history in a funny way. Just my feeling…

          • Desbele

            Hey Kaddis,

            I grow up in Geja- Chefe meda akababi. The very word kindled nostalgia. Yimecheih yesefere lij!

          • Abi

            Hello Desbele
            የአብነት ልጅ ነሃ!

          • Desbele

            Hi Abi,
            ዋናው ሰፈሬ (የቀረበው)ጌጃ ነው። ኣብነትን እንድ ጎረቤት ሰፈር በጣም ኣቀዋለሁ።እዛ ኣካባቢም ተምርያለሁ። የእውነት ት/ቤት ነው የምልህ። ካምቦድያ እና ላኦስ ጠጥቻለሁ ማለቴ ኣይደለም:-)

          • Abi

            Hello Desbele
            የትም ተወለድ
            ከአብነት በታች ጌጃ ሰፈር እደግ!

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Amanuel
      I’m having difficulty understanding it much less writing…
      Paul is providing us with History class. Hist 101 to be exact.
      You and I share the same history.

  • Paulos

    Selam Moderator,

    My response to Kbur Haw Ismail AA is on hold. Not sure why. Thank you.

  • Paulos

    Selam Abination and Awatistas [Those who are interested],

    Here is a piece of history that sounds very familiar where in its true sense history for a reason only known to the experts seems not to copy itself but repeat instead in a different time frame. Is it due to contingents or vagaries or is there some sort of objective predestined script that guides history? One may not be able to argue for it–based on deduction but one can induce nevertheless. And perhaps, Nietzsche was right when he said, history is circular or cyclical.

    Abiy is by-passing Tigrai to find a kindred spirit in Isaias and Isaias repays in kind by eclipsing the land of his immediate ancestors. When they do however, it is not to shun a jilted friend but with a seemingly nefarious motive to make it weak and weaker beyond repair. Can they pull it off is the question everyone ponders with a sense of vexed grip.

    “The Era of the Princes” as it generally known or “The Era of the Judges” as some would fancy to call it, lasted for one hundred years beginning with the decline of the Gonderine power when Iyasu II was in power in 1755 and ended with the rise of Tewodros II in 1855. What stands out to be more of an interest to the students of history is that, with in that time frame, that is, with in the one hundred years time span, 28 rulers came and gone where some of them—King Tekle-Haimanot was deposed four times, for instance. It was a turbulent century to state the obvious. Moreover, none of the rulers wanted or even entertained the idea of separating or breaking off from Ethiopia for two crucial reasons: Their allegiances to the Orthodox Church and to the legacy of the Axumite Kingdom as well. These two are very important points in light of the present troubling times of the nation.

    As it is stated on the above, several decades or so before the Era came to an end, a chieftain [Ras Mikael S’hul] in Tigrai started to consolidate his power by taking advantage of the weaker position of King Iyasu II of the Gonderine Dynasty. To further consolidate his power, the Tigrean Ras married his son to one of the daughters of King Iyasu II and he himself at the age of 70 married Aster who was also the daughter of the King. When the King died, Ras Mikael S’hul, Mintwab [the widow of King Iyasu II] and Aster became the most powerful personalities in Gonder and Tigrai.

    In the meantime however, a new power house started to emerge that would have a profound impact on the Ethiopian polity—the rise of the Yejju Dynasty. They were Oromos who hailed from the Northern part of Wollo where Ras Ali Guangul was the first ruler who came to challenge the Tigreans as they tried to shift the center of power from GonDee to Tigrai. To back up a bit though, Ras Mikael S’hul, a true King-Maker that he was, resented the expansion of the Oromos particularly when Iyo’as [King Iyasu’s son] was in power, pushed him from the throne and had him killed, then did the same with the successor he himself had chosen–Iyo’as’ fifteen year old son Tekle-Haimanot II. The saga of Ras Mikael S’hul ended when he was challenged and defeated by a combination of Amhara and Oromo lords. He returned to Tigrai, where he retained power and died in Tembien at the age of 90 in 1780.

    Following the defeat of Mikael S’hul, the Yejju Dynasty became the real power in Gonder reducing the power stricken emperors to puppets. Ras Ali ruled the provinces of Amhara and Begemider and died in 1788. Six members of his family followed him as Ras. The next major Yejju ruler was Ras Ali Alula II, he was elected by a council of the clan when he was 13 years old. His widowed mother Menen dominated the recency council until he came of age and retained strong influence afterward. He married Hirut, the daughter of Wube [we will see later on his major play with in the new rising dynamics], lord of Semien and Tigrai, who nevertheless tried to unseat him in 1842.

    In Tigrai, Ras Welde-Selassie of Enderta in effect became the successor of Ras Mikael S’hul. Like Mikael, he had acquired firearms through cooperative dealings with the Turks [Does this sound familiar when one replaces the Turks with U.A.E] on the coast and the turn of the century dominated most of the Tigrean highlands, extending his authority into the Eastern lowlands as well. He was the first regional leader to have close contact with Europeans particularly with the British. Wolde-Selassie was strongly opposed to the Amhara-Oromo elements who were the power behind the shaky throne on which nominal rulers in Gonder succeeded each other in quick succession.

    After a period of confusion following Wolde-Selassie’s death in 1816, Sebagadis Woldu of Agame of Saho [Irob] origin, who had become a close ally of Wolde-Selassie in his final years, emerged dominant by 1822. Ottoman influence in Massawa had become residual as Muhammad Ali extended Egypt’s control in the Red Sea. Tigrean rulers found it comfortable to deal with the Turks, but the Egyptians were another matter, for the Egyptian conquest of Sudan in 1820 caused worry about Ethiopia’s Northern border regions. Sebagadis felt the need to overcome Ethiopia’s isolation from Europe and sought British support to gain control of Massawa, the best route through which firearms could be imported. In the meantime, he succeeded in building a coalition among the rulers of Gojam, Lasta and Semien against the Oromos of the Yejju Dynasty but particularly against the New ruler of the Dynasty–Ras Marye Gugsa of Begemider.

    Ras Marye successively defeated each of these Princes and isolated Sebagadis. Leading predominantly Oromo contingents from Wollo and Begemider, and supported by Wube of Semien and Goshu of Gojam, Marye crossed the Tekeze into Tigrai and defeated Sebagadis’ much better armed force in 1831. But Marye was killed in the battle and Sebagadis surrendered to Wube. Wube handed him over to the Oromos who killed him in retaliation for Marye’s death. The Oromos ravaged Tigrai but eventually withdrew and henceforth left Wube in charge.

    Wube Hailemariam of Semien extended his rule over Tigrai after Sebagadis’ death and continued the practice of welcoming Europeans and seeking European support. He became the most powerful lord of the North, allied himself with the ruler of Gojam, Birru Goshu but was defeated in contest with Ras Ali Alula, the Yejju ruler of Begemider. As he was celebrating his victory, Wube was captured by men loyal to Ras Ali and henceforth allied himself with him. Returning to Tigrai, Wube had to deal with the rising Egyptian power along his Northern and Eastern borders.

    Troops of the Naib invaded Hamasien in 1843. A sizable Egyptian force invaded Habab in 1844. Wube countered with a campaign toward Kassala in the West and an attack on Massawa and sought support from the British and French. The concern of most of these rulers including Wube, revolved around trade, especially firearms. Wube continued in defence of his territories against Egypt and gained sympathy of a variety of Europeans who were in Tigrai and Gonder at that time.

    The British [replace British with U.A.E] in particular encouraged him to maintain his alliance with Ras Ali against Kassa Hailu [The future Tewodros II] who had gained victory after victory over rival chiefs in 1852 and early 1853 and faced the forces of Ras Ali, Birru Aligaz of Yejju and Wube in the famous battle of Ayshal on 29 June 1853. While Ras Ali fled, Wube the master of intrigue and politics [Isaias Afwerki] eventually made peace with Kassa and was allowed to return to Tigrai. And that effectively ended the “Era of the Princes.”

    • Abi

      Paul
      Thank you for your time.
      I need some quiet time to untangle this spiderweb of events.
      የቀንየለይ ሃወይ

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos,

      This is an authentic historical introductory piece to how the current political power centres might shape up and determine the contours of post Emperor Menelik II Ethiopian century. For the two reasons you mentioned – legacy of Aksum and religion – Tigrai and its future would play major role. While it is hard to imagine what role the despot in Eritrea might play, losing sight of the role the people of Tigrai would play may end up in ushering in the repeat of a century of turmoil . By the way, thanks for reminding me of my senior year in college and struggle to put together events that ended the Gondarine power with focus on Mikael Sehul as semi-final requirement for former HSI University’s Department of History.

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      Considering the disordered history of Ethiopia, specially the peculiar nature of the “The Era of the Princes”, I would say this is very well put, hats off.
      IA’s ancestors has been part of that shenanigan story, Abiy is new into that game. I don’t think Abiy is that versed to cope the situation, he is more interested in a temporary fix than long run effect. Without doubt IA will trick him to do something that could lead the region into fire.

      I know the main theme of the text is “The Era of the Princes” and today’s political chess resemblance, but regarding the “allegiances to the Orthodox Church and to the legacy of the Axumite Kingdom”, I think Tigray politics is mostly free of religion, they don’t exaggerate the Axumite history either. Most Tigray elites completely reject the “Kibre Negest” account, they reject the 3000 Ethiopia history as well. They believe Ethiopia is 150 years old. Specially the religion stuff, it’s not part of the Tigray political culture.
      If you take Shewa politics (Today you can say Amhara elites):
      • They absolutely claim the 3000 years Ethiopia history as true history
      • They accept the “Kibre Negest” account
      • Their politics is highly dependent on the church

      Last week I was reading an article written by “Shaleka Dawit Wolde Giorgis”, he said “The Ethiopia Flag was designed by Minlik the first, between 982-958 BC, which makes it the oldest national flag in the world”. He is claiming that the old Ethiopia Flag (ልሙጥ ባንደራ) is 3000 years old. Shameless lie.
      You can read it on ECADF forum. This guy is one of the “Ethiopianist” group elite, he isn’t an ordinary individual. If that kind of individual claims that that kind of false narrative in this day and age, then, in 14th century when the Kebre Negest was introduced during “Amde Tsion” reign, they can lie anything they want.

      My question to you is, if an individual is considered as “intellect”, shouldn’t he/she has a responsibility to certain level to write about something that can be verified? To be honest with you I am not trying to be political, I am worried that this kind of false narrative could drive us to extreme ways. By the way almost all in that group (Ethiopianist group) are the same regardless of their education background. How could someone believe the Ethiopia Flag “ልሙጥ ባንደራ” is 3000 years old without a single proof. Certain level of exaggeration is fine, I can understand that, but to try to claim something that has never existed is very strange. I know there is lie in both sides but I think they are taking it way too extreme. What is your take on those kind of extreme claims?

      Thanks,

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        Not sure if you had followed the same discussion in content we had in this Forum about a month or so ago where the question was if we actually believe in the 3000 year history or the ክብረ-ነገስት. To be honest with you, I don’t find the question itself any relevant for it is the foundation of most nations save the new comers in world history. And Ethiopia is not an exception either.

        For instance, Homer’s epic saga was written during the Dark Ages where it was a psychological boon to the Greeks lest they die in despair. It helped them to hold on to something when the Epic narrates heroism of the Greeks in a bleak of times. This is to say that, people tend to hold on to the past glory in their dire moments and Major Dawit’s nostalgia and fantasy is not any different. In the end, no matter how one tries to invalidate a myth, it doesn’t go away for it is a collective national psych. True and bold leaders however, look into the future with resolve employing pragmatism as in what works as opposed to how a nation ought to be—idealism.

        • Samuel

          Thank you, Paulos.
          I like the last sentence. “In the end, no matter how one tries to invalidate a myth, it doesn’t go away for it is a collective national psych. True and bold leaders however, look into the future with resolve employing pragmatism as in what works as opposed to how a nation ought to be—idealism.”

          Thanks,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Samuel,

            If I may interject, just on your question on the flag: your original comment was tagged as spam, so I am replying you here.

            I haven’t read the article you mentioned authored by ShaleQa Dawit. The Abyssinian ‘flag’ as you know is known as SendeQ Alama (ሰንደቅ ዓላማ). Based on verifiable published records, there were three separate triangular flags of yellow green and red attached to a stick used by Menelik during his campaigns and meetings which can be seen in images, painted or photographed at the time. Augustus De Wylde placed this flag on the cover of his book “Modern Abyssinia, published at the turn of the 19th century. This three separate 3 color flag’s history probably goes few centuries before that. It might have lost usage during the Mesafnt period the thread is discussing. You can take this as a speculation. The three triangles evolved in the early 20th century into rectangular three colors during Iyasu/Zewditu period as we know the flag now. To know the evolution and when it all this started, everything that has been published need to be read page by page and examined scrupulously.

            I can also speculate that the three colors red, yellow and green were reflexions of the practice that was used by the Abyssinian kings to bestow Ranks upon their nobility in the old times. When someone was elevated to a Kentiba (ከንቲባ) the insignia that he was carrying back to his region to confirm his nomination was not necessarily a written document on a perchament, but a piece of colored triangular tissues he ties around his front. Now, I cannot say from memory without looking at documents, this color was used for this rank, but I suspect there is a possible relationship between this and the ሰንደቅ ዓላማ. I hope this helps you to put things in perspective.

          • Samuel

            Selam Haile,
            Thank you for your detail response, I do agree with your explanation. The point I was trying to make was the extreme exaggeration.

            While researching I found the following quote… “an extract of a study by the renowned Ethiopian scholar Richard Pankhurst titled “Innovation and Misoneism during the Reign of Emperor Yohannes IV (1872 – 1889)””, I am quoting again, it says … “Yohannes meanwhile had the distinction of being the first Ethiopian ruler to introduce a national flag. Two designs were produced, both entirely different from the one later inaugurated by Minilik. The first, according to Winstanley, was a gorgeous production of silk, a tricolour, the coloured divisions running laterally. The highest portion was crimson, the centre white, and the lowest ametyth blue. The whole was surrounded by a rich gold fringe. On the white ground was a gilt and painted representation of the Lion of Judah, with a defiant tail, and a crucifix in his right paw..90 The second version, described by the French traveler Gabriel Simon, consisted of two bands of red silk divided by a blue band on which was embroidered the Ethiopian lion merchant. The shaft was surmounted by a double cross.”. I heard similar claim by “መምህር ገ/ኪዳን” but still it needs further research.

            What Shaleka Dawit Wolde Giorgis said is, quote.. “The Ethiopia Flag was designed by Minlik the first, between 982-958 BC, which makes it the oldest national flag in the world”.
            What he is claiming is the “Green-Yellow-Red” flag was introduced 982 years Before Christ, which is 3000 years old. He is talking about Menelik the first (3000 years back), not Menelik the second (1889 AD) which you are referring.

            Generally my core message was the extreme exaggeration, if he had said the “Green-Yellow-Red” was introduced by Yikuno Amlak (the first king of the Solomonic Dynasty), I wouldn’t even care about the authentication of the claim, I can take the exaggeration, but to say the flag was introduced 982 years Before Christ is really the extreme part of gaslighting.

            Thanks,

          • Haile S.

            Selam again Samuel,

            After scribbling whatever I said below, I found you a publication that details the history of Ethiopian flag(s). What I wrote is verifiable except my speculations.
            It is a 15 page interesting article. I haven’t yet read all, but it is fairly comprehensive with references. The flag has not been always of the colors and form we know now, but the usage dates to sevetal centuries back. You can read the article at JSTOR if you subscribe.

            S. Chojnacki. Some notes on the history of the Ethiopian National flag. Journal of Ethiopian Studies Vol. 1, No. 2 (JULY 1963), pp. 49-63.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Paulos,
          A few questions if I may:
          1. Is myth held and claimed by all the citizens of a country? If yes. if no, look at #3
          2. What if the myth makes the people superstitious, backwards, violent, etc. How do we curtail damages caused by mythology?
          3. If the myth promotes the superiority of a section o the population at the expense of the other section, how do we deal with it at the national level, how do we face it intellectually?
          4. Don’t you think all the violence and backwardness in our region is mainly caused by mythology?
          5. Could you see the difference between how the Scandinavians, the Persians, the Abyssinian and Romans treat their mythology?

          Thank you

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Let me start from the last one. I have a feeling that you don’t have patience for philosophy or I dare say abstracts but please bear with me.

            Man’s quest for meaning particularly the dread of death drove early people to conjure up a narrative that would fit in to the beginning of life and the continuation of it in an after life where in some instances became an article of faith where some call it religion. The shared belief evolved along side the evolution of societies into tribes where distinction between tribes created competition of their respective beliefs of creation and after life [we can call it—the birth of mythology at this stage] in the meantime, it became the cornerstone of “national” identity as well.

            The Nordic mythology as you know gave us the names of the days in a week as in Monday through Friday. When that legacy is still intact and in use, the Valhala narrative is limited only to the beginning of their history where it is still celebrated while they fully know that it is a total fiction. It became problematic only when the Arians used it for right wing political agenda and yes in this day and age as well.

            The Chinese believed in the Middle-Earth where the Emperor as late as 19th Century refused to receive Western diplomats for he said, it was only China a representative of heaven here on Earth. The Chinese still believe in that narrative but of course they have diplomats of foreign countries. They would invoke the mythology of Middle-Earth to mobilize their people–the age old greatness of China when they justify their role on world-stage visa-vis the West as they race for dominance.

            If we come back to our region, particularly in Ethiopia, the Solomonic Dynasty cemented a national identity but what makes it unique is that it is a hybrid of myth and a narrative from the Old Testament, as such it became so powerful so much so that it remains to be hard to see it in isolation in a purely mythical stand. More over, as you know, the West starting in the 13th Century developed the legend of Prester John who was believed to have lived in present day Ethiopia with an aura of a champ and protector of the Christian faith. And the rulers of Ethiopia used it to lure Europeans to help them in their quest to convert the “heathen” in the South, South-West and South-East which resulted in unimaginable atrocities where the nation has not yet come to terms with itself. The contradiction then becomes part of the national identity where the atrocity is denied but the glory that came with it is cherished and embraced. And that is precisely the reason that serious psychologists believed that mythology is part of if not the root of the unconscious mind—Carl Jung.

            Hope I was not all over and hope it makes sense to you if not my apologies.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            I am sorry to tell you I was not looking for a textbook type feedback. I wanted you to scrutinize it as a human-being who is either wallowing in mythology or suffering from it. You know what the Prester John myth and the like did to the region. Now, Nazis based their campaign of brutalizing all people around them driven by myth. Can you defend that myth now after knowing what you know? The Solomonic Dynasty wreaked havoc in the region for centuries. Now knowing what you know, would it be even decent to praise it or justify it, even philosophically? Let’s get out of the classroom and talk like we are in a teashop, and I am paying. Just imagine that and you will understand what bothers me 🙂

            I do not hate philosophy but I try hard to keep it away in my public discourse because it all about abstract matters when I prefer to worry about real issues. In the struggle we are in, philosophy trivializes our aspiration. That is when I despise philosophy. I believe the mythology we are living through needs to be demolished if we are to usher an era of peace and equality.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Agree with u but the solomonic dynasty myth started from king solomon and queen shaba myth at the time of axumite kingdom and than after yodit gudit comes the restoration of the solomonic dynasty again. the point is we can’t see solomonatic dynasty before yodit gudit(axum kingdom) and after the restoration differently because the they use same book and claims.i mean the restoration myth used reference and laws from solomonatic dynasty before yodit, from axum .

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Of course, there is no question about it. I condemn all the atrocities that was caused to justify a mythology. I talk about it. I talk about its dark and ugly legacy but again there is only so much we can do to undo the deeply held myth. Let’s keep the discussion and conversation going.

            P.S. I insist, it is on me this time around. በዚሑ ሎምስ ክንደይ ጊዜ ክትጋብዘና.

          • Dawit

            Hello people of Awate,
            Myth and the consequence of it….
            I grew up in the states know all about the black slavery in USA. I know how the pro slavery groups in the USA were trying to make it okay to enslave blacks because the Bible said so. However, I had no idea how Arabs used Islam to enslave blacks until I found this youtube video by accident. The Islamic books are very anti black people. So, myth could be very dangerous because Myth could be used to demonize one group and make the owners of the myth superior to others. Please watch this youtube video for educational purposes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuwMlItm_kM&t=544s

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            “if God did not exist, it would have been necessary to invent him.” By French philosopher Voltaire. I do agree with your explanation in the viewpoint of philosophy, however when we use myth as part of the day to day politics to drive a narrative, when you have heterogenous society with different culture, history and sometimes those different cultures may have their own myth, it could be dangerous. If you dissect Saleh Johar questions, sometimes myth could be dangerous if it is not used properly and wisely. I see your last comment, you already pointed out that side as well.

            When you have homogenous society that share certain mythology (be it in religion or nation building), it will be helpful to create National identity, however when you have diverse culture, history and background like Ethiopia, having certain mythology being used in politics to promote certain group political narrative, it could be a reason for division.
            China is about 90% homogenous society, so it will be helpful to have certain positive myth that can help to lift the general public psyche. However the Ethiopia case is becoming a reason to create dispute. If you take the Solomonic Dynasty account for example, about 25% of Ethiopia population may take it as important myth, but 75% may reject it.
            Generally, I agree that mythologies are important in a society to create National identity, but how we use it to build for national identity in a multinational states will be the challenge.

            As you said it “Let’s keep the discussion and conversation going”, the more we discussed about something the more awareness it creates for the general public, it creates valuable perspective.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            If the marvels of Science are the product of human imaginative mind, so are Myths, for they both were driven by Man’s quest to understand the otherwise strange world.

            The most difficult question where we haven’t been able to come to terms with are the existential questions—to figure out where we came from and where we go from here. And as you know, the dread of these fundamental questions created “Existential Angst” where the imaginative mind tends to fill the void with Myths and Religious Articles of Faith if you will.

            If we are to push the issue at hand a bit further, we need to make the same allegations on Religion as well where the atrocities that had been committed is equal in magnitude and scope where the Thirty Years War between the Catholics and Protestants which ended in the Treaty of Westphalia comes to mind.

            Perhaps, it would be unfair to point out only the downside of Religion and equally so for Myths as well and that was precisely the reason Voltaire the Atheist said about his famous dictum when he realised that, Religion keeps the savage Man in check when he lives in Hobbesian world, a world where life is short and brutish.

    • Teodros Alem

      selam paulos
      Lie after lie,
      1, yejjus r not purely oromos, they r oromo amhara mixtures.
      2, wuba, was from seimen gonder, from dersgamariam, he still have a pelace in dersga mariam, same kind of place like the one in gonder.
      3, after defeating wuba , aste tewodros crowned at the palace of dejach wuba, own his own palace and church(dersega mariam).
      4, aste tewodros himself is from north gonder(seimen) but his soldiers r from south gonder, mostly “gayent”( ke 1 gayent, yeshalale 40 aganint)
      5, tigrai “mechoye” established under the time of wuba.
      6, dejach wuba dead in tewodros prison in mekedela.
      7, ras ali and later his son was the rulers of wallo and part of South gonder at the time of zemene mesfinet and they defeated by tewodros, tewodros’s wife is the daughter of ras ali .
      Stop lying.

      • Abi

        Hello TA
        መምህሩንም ተማሪዎቹንም እንዳትረብሽ እውጭ ብትቆይ ምን ይመስልሃል?

        • Teodros Alem

          abi
          Both the teachers and the fake students r cadres, they teach twisted history(eprdf history) and liars.
          never.

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            እሽ ብለናል ለጊዜው እደጅ ቆይ:: ስትጠራ ትመጣለህ

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            r u try to act like Moderator. stop lying, as simple as that and than u can talk ur “tela bet” joke all u want.

    • Dawit

      Hello good people,
      Selam Paulos,
      One British diplomat said about the Ethiopians, “Ethiopians are brave fighters,but they are ignorant”. What the British diplomat means is that the Ethiopians were illiterate and did not know the world affairs of the day (19th century). So, what does this tell us. What makes the British person different from the Ethiopian of the 19th century? The answer is technology. While Ethiopia has been stock in medieval mentality, the British had the printing press technology that made it possible for ordinary people to gain knowledge and help the British to propel and make advances in all sectors of society.
      So, Today, Ethiopia is very different. I think, Ethiopia is exiting from medieval era and transitioning to the modern. Ethiopia is in transition. Old myths are going to be busted and new once are going to be created. Only time will tell whether this transformation happening in Ethiopia is going to be good or bad for the region.

      • Paulos

        Selam Dawit,

        Fair points. I will try to comment on the lives of Tewodros II [this coming weekend or tomorrow, God willing that is] and his dealings with the British in light of the challenges he faced as you put it in backward Ethiopia and that will help us see the vivid contrast.

        • Abi

          Paul
          ሴፓስቴፖል; አንት ሲዖል!
          ዓመት ከዘጠኝ ወር ተጏዝን:: ሽቅብ መሳብ: ቁልቁል መሳብ ! ለአገር ነፃነት ሲባል:: ( ቴዎድሮስ ቲያትር 1976 እንደ ኢትዮጵያ ዘመን አቆጣጠር:: ማዘጋጃ ቲያትር ቤት:: )
          For those people who are confused wait for Professor Paul’s class.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hi Gedab News,

    Good news analysis. Well done on the exposure of the secret tripartite leader’s meeting and their conspiracy brewing. Thank you.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I don’t know about you but Ethiopia has much bigger problem with this Coronavirus. From what I read, Half of Addis residents are Chines and the Coronavirus origination is china. I hope the toothless government of Ethiopia doing something to protect the over populated Addis residents. They are everywhere in Africa and hope they don’t bring and disperses the Coronavirus.

    • Saleh Johar

      Niricc,
      This is not a benign tool and no one should even remotely celebrate its effects. The more it spreads, the more disastrous. If if overwhelms Ethiopia, our country is poorly equipped to deal with it. So, if it hits Ethiopia today, I bet you it can easily spread to the entire region let alone PFDJ’s Eritrea, which is more toothless that the Ethiopian government.. The other solution you might like is, I guess, cut all relations with the 1.3 billion Chinese. But that cannot be achieved no matter what the world does. So, in cases like this, I believe we must separate it from politicking.

      • Nitricc

        Hi SJ; I wasn’t politicking it. I heard in the one of Ethiopian channels and they reported that there were four suspected cases and their blood was sent to South Africa to be tested. I have no idea how true the news is but considering the number of Chinese in Addis; I will not be shocked. So, the news I heard triggered the comment I posted and it is out of real concern. otherwise once this disease in Addis, the next day is Asmara and so on.

    • Kaddis

      Selam Nitricc –

      There are more than 30 flights per week to 5 or 6 cities in China by Ethiopian airlines. One of my proud moments were when Ethiopian airlines said I will keep flying to West Africa in African solidarity regardless of Ebola – during that scary time. So there is a term called solidarity that we should practice in ones low moments; rather than abandon the relationship. Not that I have a say what the gov do though.

      • Nitricc

        So there is a term called solidarity that we should practice in ones low moments; rather than abandon the relationship

        Hey Kaddis; long time? How is Sheger doing? I think you Ethiopians need to built a new capital city. I was watching a clip in Addis and the people and the cars, I even sow horses all in the streets in traffic jam. I don’t know but from what I can absorb I think the city train is a mistake, do you agree?
        Anyway; you are right solidarity is good but it shouldn’t be at the expense of your people. As a government, your job is to look after the safety and security of your citizens; the end!! For instance; why would the Ethiopian government allow Eritreans to work and go to school while their own citizen is suffering from unemployment and lack of education? It is good to show solidarity and to help others but you got to care about your citizens first and for most. then if anything extra, you pass that along to the none citizen.

        • Abi

          Hello General
          I have to admit this is the most toothless comment from a leaf eating toothless ሚሊሽያ ወታደር::
          You are demoted!
          Report to the closest boot camp ASAP.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras Abi; you got to explain your reasoning. I am saying; a government have the duty and responsibility for its citizens first and for most; now where exactly did go toothless?

          • Abi

            Hello General
            their number is insignificant.
            They are not taking over the country.

          • Nitricc

            They are not taking over the country.

            Hey Ras Abiy; you talking about toothless. A responsible government will care and think about a wellbeing of a single citizen.
            And yes, they will take over. They will out due you in business and you will cry out by saying unfair. Then you will kick them out of the country and then a war breaks out. My point is why repeat the mistake and repeat history. my advice, Avoid it and take care your own people. stop the show off and false pride. That is all.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You should see me laughing. Thanks for the laugh ma bro.

          • Abi

            Paul
            General Nitricc is a GOAT.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            This is the best employment and use of your wit.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            የቀንየለይ

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Nitricc
          U r absolutely right about the city train was a big mistake, they should build a high way where they built the train, instead of toothless train.
          and the level of poverty, expensive housing and transportation problem never been in the history of the world cities.
          U r also right about solidarity. most of the time they use solidarity, when they think they can score some poltical point and aid.

        • Kaddis

          Hey Nitricc –

          We are not at the luxury of discussing a functioning, maybe not as effective, city train at the moment. We are all ears about Abiy, Isisas and Farmajo conspiring, while admiring Saay of his prediction – Abiy is trying to replicate Isiaias…secrecy, rumors, closing of universities becomes and countless deaths became our new normal.

          We are Not in a position even to discuss the Nile – while holding our hard earned money bond certificate. We know the humiliation will not stop until we are worse than Congo – cause the gulf powers will not leave us with the capacity to regroup our energy in the near future.

          I assume there are jobless people where you live – why is your host country let you work?

          • Nitricc

            I assume there are jobless people where you live – why is your host country let you work?

            Hey Kaddis; first of all I don’t have host country, this is my country. So, I have the right to work. secondly; if someone is jobless and the US, it is so by choice. You can work and survive anywhere. i.e. that is my precise point. First you take care your won citizen and then help others. What is funny about your country is that there are 70% un employed youth and yet, you want give any opportunity to foreigners? That is messed up my friend. All I am saying is stop showing off and take care your own people. that is all.
            Regarding PMAA; he very confused and confusing leader. To be honest, your country is in a very dangerous time zone. It is clear PMAA can’t handle it and the sooner you find who can, I really don’t see anyway out. Somebody have to step in and set order straight. Anything about PIA, Abiy and the Somalia leader; it is nothing but a show to intimidate the TPLF thugs and I think it is working. Sooner or latter TPLF will give its hands up. The pressure from US ambassador; good knows how many times already made the trip in to Mekelle and I have doubt he is pressuring the TPLF to reconcile with PMAA government. So, I see nothing but the three leaders get together is extension to what is the US embassy doing, pressure TPLF thugs.

  • Paulos

    Selam GN,

    Thank you so much for the balanced reporting. Much obliged.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Why not hit PIA/PFDJ on a truly supine/venerable area such as PFDJ pseudo-ideological matters, which emotionally touch those living INSIDE Eritrea, as they are the most likely enablers of change? For example, whilst the PFDJ likes to project an image of being corruption-free. it has clearly evolved into a kleptocracy riddled with bribery, extortion, fraud, graft, malfeasance, nepotism, etc. In this regard a rifle, instead of a shotgun approach, needs to be utilized and members of his inner circle need to be aggressively targeted (i.e. a PFDJ Person of the Month) and have their INDIVIDUAL wrongdoings very publicly known; the dirt is certainly out there. Another PFDJ fallacy is that of self-sufficiency, especially in terms of food security. Yes, it has been several years since the PFDJ accepted general food assistance through the UN/WFP and NGOs but it has quietly received considerable bi-lateral (i.e. Japan) in-kind and cash contributions against its food requirements. Massawa has oftentimes accommodated full vessel loads of donated cereals. Though UNICEF actively supports targeted supplementary/therapeutic feeding programs, large numbers of beneficiaries reached and more importantly those not reached, are not common knowledge. For example, most Eritreans living inside Asmara have very little knowledge or understanding of the gravity of severe malnutrition and stunting in rural parts of the country. Going after PMAA might seem an attractive diaspora opposition strategy but it has practically nil effect on Eritreans living inside of Eritrea.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Mokie,

      What you said is right, but instead of just doing that, you are acting like a traffic police on a busy intersection directing the traffic during a blackout, whistling right and left :-), and directing where everyone should go. The only effective way of directing the discussion is doing it yourself, especially someone like you who appear to know the ins and outs of the regime.
      For example, could you expand on the regimes attention-deficit, disregard and lack of consideration on education and its educated. I know it has deficits everywhere, I am just taking example from recent news where it has invited Pr Senayit Fiseha, a renowned & respected Ethiopian physician to talk of the opening of post-graduate education. The regime likes to collects stars from elsewhere and to be photographed with, but it dims its own country’s stars to oblivion. This is just a current example, we can enumerate several similar happening. It is extremely rare to see this regime representatives highlight their educated, stand beside and illuminate those deserving citizens like what other leaders do in the neighborhood, Abiy for example. Instead of doing that, the regime is well know to run, hammer and chase with its daggers at hand any Eritrean who pronounces education & educated, university & quality, rule of law & constitution, anything the regime considers sophistication. The regime likes an educated citizen who shows up in the dark, with YPFDJ T-shirt even being very old, admiring the steam engine of 1920s, the flaking mural of the UNESCO heritage, the Haileselassie remains at Expo, everything irrelevant. Emasculating discretion is the highest virtue for this regime. I leave the remaining for you to complete…. thanks.