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Thirteen Eritrean Children Gunned Down

Gedab News has received reliable information that 13 children who were escaping from Eritrea were gunned down and thrown in ditches somewhere between Ghindae, Eritrea, and Port Sudan, Sudan.

The specific location of their murder is not known.

The 13 children were part of a group of 16 children who had arranged with an Eritrean trafficker to smuggle them out using the “Ghindae-Port Sudan route” out of Eritrea four months ago. Escapees do not report such incidents immediately for fear of retribution.

The Ghindae Route is one of several used by Eritreans to escape from Eritrea.

According to UNHCR, the number of Eritreans seeking asylum in Europe has tripled in 2014 over the previous year. The agency added that the number of Eritreans seeking refuge in Ethiopia in October 2014 was 5,000, a significant increase over the previous year, with unaccompanied minors also increasing, and that the number of Eritreans seeking refuge in Sudan has been about 1,000 per month.

Highlighting the dire straits the country is in, the parents of the 13 children who were murdered are mostly government officials.

One of them is a colonel in Sawa (name withheld) whose wife, a veteran of the EPLF, is in Toronto visiting her daughter. Of the thirteen children, 3 of them were their daughters, sisters aged 14, 18 and 19.

The news has roiled the city of Toronto, Canada, and Eritreans who heard the news are in a state of shock.

Our source says, “It is tragic! Father and mother, both ‘Tegadelti’ [veterans of Eritrea’s war of independence], attempted to smuggle their three children out of a country they spent a lifetime to liberate, and all three were brutally murdered.”

The fate of 3 of the 16 children is unknown. Presumably, they are the ones that confirmed the death of the 13 Eritreans they were traveling with.

It is likely that the families of the 13 children, all in Eritrea, have been notified of the death of their children and the city will once again be engulfed by grief.

We will provide you with additional information as it becomes available.

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  • Gud

    With all due respect to you, Mr Moderator, we are talking about “political whoring, or Political hooking” here, and there is nothing wrong saying that even on prime time, family TV

    I made it clear even in the comment the Hayst is replying to. So, why are you tripping

    There is no in appropriate stuff here

  • Sara

    RIP to the innocent people that died. It is very sad that they were gunned down when all they were trying to do escape suffering, human rights violations and indefinite services to the country.

  • Hayat Adem

    I’ve no way to know for sure except to base myself on the given. Tell me if you know something else that is more believable and I will see if i can take it from there..

  • Berhe Y

    Commission of Inquiry – Eritrea – COI

    It’s really tragic that we have to witness this crimes committed by the regime of Isayas Afeworki. I don’t have much to say other than what’s being said already and I think we all know the truth deep down. If there is any hope left that the regime of IA needs to be buried, this is just a small example. I understand some people say that we “need to reform the regime” etc, and I think they mean it well. So for example, based on the change that we witnessed in Somalia, Iraq, Libya, etc,…and we compare the changes to Tunisia, Egypt, perhaps the second group is the desired method. So I think it’s a legitimate suggestion but I personally do not see there is any possibility that will be materialized. The only thing I can say is, please there is no point in arguing what change we need to have, but let’s see that change and find a way to make it happen. With that in mind, I would like to point to the following information if you haven’t already know about it.

    As you may have know, the UN Human Rights have assigned the Special Rapporteur to investigate and report the human rights situation in Eritrea, where among other things, she will need access to Eritrean, including the prison system where she will see / hear for herself the situation. So far the Eritrean government refused access and she has to travel to outside countries, places like Ethiopia, Italy and other places to collect evidence. Based on that she provided the report to the commission.

    Few months ago, the UN HRC assigned a Commission of Inquiry – Eritrea where it basically means that they have elevated the cased higher than assigning the Rapporteur (with additional resources), in simple terms. This commission will do similar investigation such as interviewing witness, collect testimony, etc. Once all the evidence is collected then, it will be presented to the Commission and the UN Secretary where he will need to refer the case to the Security Council. If Security Council agrees and they find the evidence compelling there is likely chance that it will refer to case to the International Criminal Court (ICC). There is a big possibility that, the case will never to the ICC but at least for those of us who can do something and we wanted to so something, this is a GOLDEN opportunity that we have in our hands that will force, Isayas Afeworki to appear to court. Just keep in mind, It’s the first time COI is assigned to a country which is NOT in civil war (at least in Africa), so it’s very likely that this will happen. Off course IA can count on China, and Russia to Veto at the UNSC, but I think the interest of others, like that of the Ethiopian government and many European countries who do NOT want to deal with the refugees will convince them otherwise, and off course how much we can lobby on our side (that’s my guess).

    Be as it may, this is a very important and very crucial for the work that we, at least those in Diaspora that we can do besides having a demonstration etc. The COI has time line so, their mandate is for 1 year so they need to produce that report within a year. So it’s up to us, all of us who are looking to see CHANGE and send the IA to the ICC, we have to help that happen, regard less of our difference. It’s ONE way, may be the best way for NOW.

    Elsa Chiyrum and others have been doing a lot of work for this cause, for the past few years and continue to do so today. And I think it’s their hard work that we have got here today.

    What to be done next:

    The COI will accept testimony in all type of forums, in person, by phone, e-mail, or even in the website. This information can also be provided in all three languages (English, Tigrina and Arabic). You can find the forum at the link be below.

    http://coi-eritrea.org/contactus/

    More Information:

    Berket Yohannes, is the young brother of Aster Yohannes and he is member of the taskforce who is working actively on this issue. He had an informative interview with Feruz (London) with radio Medrek. Please skip to 31 minutes if you want to listen to the interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZfWWC1oq3c&app=desktop

    Berhe Y.

  • Nitricc

    Last night I was catching up reading the forum and came up SJG’s astounding story. The story he told is so gravitating; I felt I was there with them digging to help the woman find her grains. I try to be that Eritrean mother, I try to feel what she was feeling, what she was going through. I try to feel what the SJG’s and his friends were feeling. I went through imagining the price that was paid, the agony that was endured, the lives that was lost, you name it I walked through and through in my head. I felt two things; sad and at the same time extremely motivated going forward. I kept thinking and playing in my head the whole thing. From the words of BaAlu Girma about the battle of Nakfa all the way to the sanction and to this present day. my Fev of Oromay’s take…

    “The fall of Nacfa is only a matter of time now. In anticipation of Ethiopia’s crowning military victory, this particular evening we stayed up late drinking. We raised our beer mugs and enthusiastically cheered, “Ethiopia Tikdem!” (Ethiopia First – the Dergue’s slogan). All I could think of now is Nacfa, which could be no more than seven kilometers away from where we are holed up. As each day came and went, I can almost hear the joyous bells of victory ringing in my ears. In my mind’s eye I imagined an euphoric victory- parade never seen before in Ethiopia’s history.
    “I was sitting in the shade of a magnificent boulder looking over the pages of my notes. All of a sudden, I heard a deafening volley of heavy artillery from the right flank of Hill 1702. I had a rush of adrenaline thinking this has to be the beginning of the final push. To my chagrin, Col. Tariku, the commander of the Ethiopian forces, sent a messenger urging me to go back and see him immediately. I followed the messenger to the Colonel’s bunker. I did not like the look on his face.
    “What is going on?” I screamed in excitement.
    “We have to evacuate,” he said “at exactly 1800 hours!”
    “You must be joking!”
    “This is an order,” he punctuated.
    “But why? What has happened?” I screamed, even more loudly.
    “He explained calmly that the enemy has regrouped and moved its B-10 anti-tank guns, 120 and 82 mm mortars forward. Moreover, using canons and tanks from a distance, the enemy has recaptured another strategic outpost, Hill 1755. Because our forces are dangerously exposed on the left flank, and due to the delay in the arrival of reinforcements, defending our position has become out of the question. Even if we had extra manpower, deploying them is just not feasible. The layout of the land and the proximity of the two forces make calling an air strike impracticable. The other problem is the preparation the enemy had undertaken in anticipation of this offensive. Since the enemy has good intelligence and is well aware of all our movements and maneuvers, the only choice we now have is either to evacuate or suffer encirclement and annihilation.”

    And it hit me that we are under sanction we can’t even defending our selves? Our enemy can buy whatever weapon they want but we can’t. I said to myself, well, we will do what we had done to kick Ethiopian solders like Abinet, hit them with their own weapon. Little do I know when I check awate this morning I see the Dedebit grad going banana. It turns out, X-mass came early for Eritrea, two MI-35 helicopters with skilled pilots, sealed and delivered.
    This trend is not going to stop. Just started, when the five percent try to control especially militarily; it is undoable. Of course when your military science is straight from the University of Dedebit, it is hard to comprehend. Eritrea all have to do is sit back and all the weapons will be delivered in a gold platter.
    Thanks for the two MI-35 and Oh, we need few SU, no offence, keep you second hand tanks you bought from Ukraine.

    • Abinet

      Your government will return the aircraft washed, polished and sanitized to the rightful owner with an apology letter signed by his excellency IA . The letter reads:
      Sanawq beSihitet, awqen beDifret laTefanew yiqir belun …..
      IA

      • Nitricc

        It is amazing how the Ethiopians are petrified, absolutely terrified of Eritreans. WOW!
        If you are out there and believe that those crafts and their pilots are kidnapped then you are an absolute Stupid! Lol. Okay things happen and let’s assume some brave Eritrean hijacks one helicopter, how on earth is possible to hijack two with their full staff?
        I think Eritrea should return the helicopters. Let’s place SNAR inside the hidden parts of the helicopters and send handed of to dumb leaders of Ethiopia. Once they park the helicopters with the entire fleet of Air force then let the party begun; boooooommmm.
        We give them back their two helicopters and wipe out their entire fleets. No wonder why we beat the Ethiopians at every thing. Everything that happens, there is Eritrea behind it. the funny part is there one stupid weyanay in DC who fired some shoots when some brave Ethiopians confronted him then here it was the Ethiopian government press conference how SHabia was behind it and a work of Shabia.

  • Rahwa T

    “…at the time of Ethiopian invasion on Eritrea”.?

    “awQo yetegnan biQeseQsut ayneQam” neber yalut!

  • Zula

    The world’s 10 toughest countries in which to do business
    1. Eritrea
    2. Libya
    3. Central African Republic
    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/savingandinvesting/the-worlds-10-toughest-countries-in-which-to-do-business/ss-BBgVX0z?ocid=mailsignoutmd#image=11

  • Hope

    “It is tragic! Father and mother, both ‘Tegadelti’ [veterans of Eritrea’s war of independence], attempted to smuggle their three children out of a country they spent a lifetime to liberate, and all three were brutally murdered.”
    But don’t we know that the EPRP/Secret Party’s and its Head’s hidden agenda was/has been to do so?
    And even worse,those Agents themselves have become victims of their own hidden agenda–:Id tsenahit,shenahit…”

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      እንዳ ሓዘን ትፈልጥ ዲኻ ዝ’ሓወይ። ሰብ’ስከ ኣይቲሃውኽ። ያ ከልብ ዋሒድ.

      • Hope

        Hadami,you should have “killed” those “killers” you are admonihing rather than running away..so as to have a Safe Eritrea—so that kids will not be killed..

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          I don’t believe on killing and I don’t want to see a single blood drop even from the serial killers. I am against a system that is killing and I don’t want to start a system that kills even for the killers. Eritrean blood is precious.

          But people like you, DIA’s, Mahmuday’s, the ambassadors etc are calling us to kill you. We will not. Make sure this. But we will make you accountable for what you did and are doing. That is why we have COI now in opperration.

          Ya kelib wahid!

  • Fetima Dechasa

    ጅራፍ እራሱን መቶ እራሱ ጮሗ። ኣሉ

    Eritreans bring up Ethiopia and other Eritrean trash talk Ethiopia in the same discussion? Some are so entitled that they want to have Ethiopia at their beck and call, while others are having a complete calamity at the thought. What sort of counterproductive exchange is this? I hope to see the day that Eritreans find a new scapegoat because this is getting tired, really. Ethiopia(ns) have no business in solving your problems, you are on your own, sorry. We have our own issues to sort out thank you very much.

    Prayers to those who passed and their families. May they rest in peace.

    • Hope

      Sayterut abiet,saylikut wediet…..
      And who asked you for help other than your own Hayat Adem?
      After,haven’t you contributed to the mess one way or another?
      “ጅራፍ እራሱን መቶ እራሱ ጮሗ ኣሉ”….
      That is/was a classic nature of the TPLF,btw..

  • Hope

    Hello All,
    More than sad,indeed, irrepsective of who did it and and irrespective of why….Poor kids–RIP and condolence to their families…
    If TRUE,this is beyond tolerable and it should be investigated as part of the Human Rights Inquiry.
    Rather than politicizing and arguing for NOTHING as usual,our home work should be:
    -To strengthen our struggle to the maximum so that such things willnever happen
    -To petition and appeal to the appropriate Parties for an immediate investigation on this matter.
    -To directly challenge the GoE as to what happened and how and why,in a coordianted manner???
    Mind you,Tesfalem of Mekele through the Sudan Tribune told us a similar story few months ago and —nothing was said or happened…may be that story was a false one or for political consumption or propaganda as it happned before–per the same Tesfalem.from Mekele.
    All were the kidss of Gov Officials??
    If so,then there is a Conspiracy??the signs of the times?
    Is the Sawa Colonel arrested—like the family of Min Ali Abdu?

  • haileTG

    Yeah…you’re missing the gist of the story, i.e 13 children died. They died on an attempted escape from Eritrea and had they lived Eritrea could have been 13 times better. The rest of your description seems sourced by you, not even from the writing above, let alone me.Think of the most favorite child in your life, now think….

    • guist

      I got your point, but at the same time some body can’t be the victim and perpetrator ( the coronels and generals ) unless you want play politics on some body unfortunate,

      • haileTG

        how did they knew they were a colonel’s children? Special stamp on the forehead? Again, the victims are just children, not colonels or generals. Can’t you hold the regime accountable to that? Are you expecting regime officials children to be murdered when the regime falls? Forget their children, they wouldn’t even be murdered but face justice if they were proven accessory of this regime in Eritrea or diaspora PFDJ operatives. Halengi fithi newah eya.

  • Gud

    But what should be the natural reaction of a normal person with a working brain and heart to the following sentence?
    “13 children of Eritrean government officials were gunned down ”
    a) Would be alarmed by the loss of children’s lives, and identifies this as a tragedy. He/She would definitely think some opponents of thee Eritrean government committed this crime. And he would offer his help to collaborate with any one, including the government to bring who ever committed the crime to justice or to be punished, after all the victims are Eritrean children
    b) Or, like what we are observing in this forum, you just pay a lip service that this is a tragedy, but present it as if the officials gunned down their children and propose to destroy the government which is represented by the government officials, who are the parents of the lost children you just passed your condolence to. Actually some idiots are proposing a foreign country to punish those who just lost their children, all in the name of the children they are shading their crocodile tears. It is so intriguing how people here think

  • Mahmud Saleh

    To all affected families:
    May God bestow upon you a soothing blanket of condolences and reassurances . May you get strength to overcome this challenging times. May our beloved Eritrea embark on a better 2015.
    For our deceased children: RIP.
    Regarding this news item: Considering Awate.com place in our opposition politics, as one of the leading websites, it has been disciplined in not politicizing it. Whatever it gave of a background information is consistent with news-writing. The quote will be attributed to the “reliable source” , but it’s not far from truth. It’s the reality. Even those who paid dearly to liberate the country are fleeing it, and pushing their kids to danger. Why? PFDJ Eritrea has become a miserable place even for its liberators. No question about it. There are many holes in the news item that need to be filled, I hope the team will keep us updated as the information becomes available.I would not want to politick in such an occasion, but I see some discussions in their advanced stages. I see some folks misusing this news item in advancing their narrower than what’s intended, and smaller than what’s expected views with regard to the debate of how Eritreans should proceed in their fight for justice. It’s revolting to see some of our erudite forumers advancing their “we can’t do it without Ethiopia” agenda.It is shameful that the opposition is tainted by these voices; and that it’s defined by the common man by these opportunist approach aimed at stealing power through shortcuts and conspiracies. It’s equally repellent these bereaving families are taken advantage of; it’s also too weak a position to be at in using this occasion to score a knock-off punches on your rival debaters.
    Considering the opposition failure to position itself as an alternative political body, a body that’s ready to lead the fight to democratize Eritrea and shape up itself to an able body level in order to govern the after-fight Eritrea,one is pressed hard to ask:
    a/ How dumb do you think Ethiopians are going to risk a war in order to fight on your behalf a fight whose eventualities might be costly to them? They are comfortable with PFDJ. It’s served them as a buffer zone along the north eastern border from the over spill of the roiling Middle East and what it entails of unrest.
    b/ And how stupid do you think they are that they will be risking opening the Pandora Box in a situation where there is no Eritrean consensus in how to fight; and how to govern post PFDJ Eritrea?
    Rolling to Asmara on the back of Ethiopia, as wishful dream and as pleasant fantasy as it may be, it won’t happen. Eritreans will have to do the heavy lifting, they have to spearhead any change, they need to own their agenda. They need to promote the least costly way of creating a political system worth their heavy sacrifices. There is cause to rally around, and there is a call to be heeded. It’s an Eritreans’ fight. If you encourage this understanding and contribute positively to this notion, the fight will be shortened, the price will be less, and the impact will be a more lasting one.

    • Abinet

      To all eritreans who think ethiopians are stupid enough to die for you , think again and again.
      Ethiopian life is as precious as Eritrean life.
      Ato Mahmoud, this is your best comment ever.
      Please accept my up vote.
      Thank you

      • Hayat Adem

        Abi,
        In a broader sense, this is not purely about dying for Eritrea. If Eritrea slips to total chaos and civil war, it will have negative regional implications. Regional peace and stability should be part of an Ethiopian cause. Besides, humanitarian help is a duty of every one whoever is in a position to do it, let alone a neighbor, and let alone Ethiopia. And in some ways, it is also a good future investment. Eritreans have a long memory and will not forget good hands at their bad time. It is logical to think that Eritrean will come out of this one way or the other. And it is logical to think there will be a time in the future Ethiopians may seek or need help from Eritreans. It may as well be a possibility these two fraternal people may opt to integrate their economy or even go beyond that in the future. How would you think Eritreans would you feel when Ethiopians deny Eritreans help when they can? That will definitely feed more into the sense of distancing each other. If you believe the past fighting was unnecessary and irrational, then you should encourage actions that prove so. If you show your care and help now when we need it, it is more likely than not some Eritreans will ponder: “why were we fighting the Ethiopians (our helpers) just to bring Isaias (our killer) to power? And how can we live more harmoniously and cooperatively with them now?”
        Hayat

        • Abinet

          Hayat
          Humanitarian help is one thing, removing IA for you is another. It won’t be a walk in the park knowing very well how good fighters eritreans are in their backyard.
          ” wusha beseferu anbessa new”
          When it comes to future investment, integration, cooperation I don’t buy it for a second.
          I’m sure eritrea will come out of this. What if ethiopia interfered and failed? What would be our future r/p like? Why add more problems than necessary? Why complicate things even more?
          I prefer a non-interference approach.
          Now let’s imagine ethiopia succeeded in removing IA. Do you think they will go back and watch the show? I don’t think so. We will hand pick the dumbest SOB as your president, we control everything you do, in short we write your domestic or foreign policies, we make sure we use your ports for free forever…… The list is long. Why are we doing these? Because we are entitled for fighting and removing IA. You know what comes next? You guessed it! You start your ” gedli” all over again. I’m sure no eritrean wants that.
          My solution? Distance ourselves as far as possible from interference
          Thanks

          • Hope

            If you distanced yourselves,our problems could have been eased…

          • Hayat Adem

            Abi,

            PFDJ is not only an Eritrean problem, it is a regional problem. The call for you to intervene is in consideration of your interest and capacity to do the job.Just yesterday, the Turkish news agency reported the hijacking of an Ethiopian fighter helicopter by PFDJ agents.
            http://www.diretube.com/articles/read-ethiopia-accuses-eritrea-of-hijacking-helicopter_7760.html#.VJlMCV4CA

            Hayat

          • Abinet

            Hayat
            This is the time where we badly need a wise leadership from our part not to escalate the incident to a full blown war. I have confidence in the government to take appropriate and measured action.
            Peace for both people.

          • Dear Abinet,

            Everything depends on what the PFGJ would do. If it returns the fighter helicopter, which is an Ethiopian property and has cost her millions of dollars, and the trainee and technician, who were forced to go to another country at gunpoint against their will, then that should be the end of it all.

            If the pilot is a shabia agent or not, the Ethiopian government should have known better before it happened. At least, it should make sure such things do not happen again in the future. One might say that the heart and mind of human beings is an abyss, and it is not easy to determine a person’s deepest feelings and nature. Nevertheless, the background of people should be studied well, whenever the government entrusts them with big responsibilities. This should be a lesson.

          • Abinet

            Selam horizon
            My hope is the eritrean government handover the aircraft to Sudan or some other country and we will retrieve it in one piece.
            May be the eritrean government use this opportunity to show ethiopia that it doesn’t want any confrontation.
            What do you think?

          • Selam Abinet,

            The pilot must be utterly foolish unless there is the Eritrean regime behind it. But, I find it difficult to imagine that Asmara will make such a gross miscalculation.
            Ethiopia and Eritrea are still on a war footing, and highjacking an Ethiopian fighter helicopter and flying it to Eritrea will surely cause a crisis. Of course, one cannot rule out that the pilot could be one of those disgruntled people in the opposition, like the co-pilot of the Ethiopian Boeing, who do not understand the consequences of their actions, and cannot differentiate between opposing a government and opposing one’s country.

            He could not fly to Sudan or Djibouti, because of the good relations of these countries with Ethiopia. The only available destination, according to the highjacker was Eritrea. I hope that Eritrea would not stand on the side of the highjacker, at least officially, and it would hand over the helicopter to Ethiopia one way or the
            other, so that any possible crisis between the two countries is avoided.

            You see, Ethiopia cannot say let us forget about it. Simply, it is impossible. I hope that a third party, especially Sudan, which has good relations with both countries, would help.

          • Amde

            Horizon

            I think Eritrea will keep the helicopter. End of story. One helicopter will not make a cold war hot.

            Amde

          • Amde,
            War is not the only option. Ethiopia can use other methods.

          • Amde

            Horizon

            What other methods? The two countries are still at war. This is considered captured enemy armament. It is probably being painted with Eritrean livery right now. I’d be pissed if an Eritrean pilot flies a military helicopter into Meqele airport and Ethiopia returned it.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Amde, i agree with you. but since we Eritreans are nice, we will give the MI 35 to TPDM.
            let’s check it. i see Eritrean flag lol .
            http://www.tesfanews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Mi35_ethio.jpg

          • Amde

            Nitricc

            That’d be great. Always safer in Ethiopian hands. TPDM is just as Ethiopian as TPLF.

            Amde

          • guist

            Horizon said “The only available destination, according to the highjacker was Eritrea.”
            Have you already captured and interrogated the “hijacker” Ethiopian deserter pilot? you are funny! your true warmonger colors are coming out.

          • AOsman

            Horizon,

            It is a dilemma for both.

            You know it wont be returned, just make sure you don’t give DIA more gifts. How about an exchange with Badme, which one is more expensive.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hayat Adem

            I wish DIA finds whatever manliness is left in him and refuses to return the craft and the “kidnapped” crew.members. I want him to do more of such provocations. I want Ethiopia to get poked and provoked by DIA thereby creating the perfect storm or Ethiopia to come after him. The problem is he is chicken out and he will return it if not to honor international norms, fearing the consequence.

            I remember during the war after he had us intoxicated bragging about the weyane feraEferaE talk and his unshakable firm hold in Badime in 1998, he came out to say it out loud to the world in 2000, “..because we want to deny Ethiopia an excuse to continue the war, we not only withdrew from the disputed areas of Bure but also from the undisputed areas of Badha area”.
            But if keeps on provoking Ethiopia, that will open up the best chance to change Eritrea’s present misery forever.

            Hayat

          • AOsman

            Hayat,

            Your obsession with Ethiopia is amazing, if through invitation they can’t hear, now you wish they get dragged to it.

            I can see why many Ethiopians here are not comfortable with your call, it is not healthy when you show that kind of desperation.

            Next it will be, come and rule us, we are that incompetent.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • Hayat Adem

            Osman,
            My desperation for them and kick this guy off our back is not bigger than my desperation for my people to be free and relieved. I am not asking for them to come and rule us. Don’t put thoughts into my mind. Give me a choice if you have one.
            Hayat

          • AOsman

            Hayat,

            I hear you and understand your frustration, quick fixes wont solve our problem if not complicate them further. Ethiopia should not play a leading role, that is recipe for disaster.

            Start believing in your people, a spark like that of Forto can change everything.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Hayat Adem;
            I believe Eritreans should be the owners and engineers of their affairs. We should not sit back and expect for others to do the dirty job for us. The PFDJ clique are an isolated entity, what is needed is to craft an effective and potent opposition that emanates from and envisions to embolden the oppressed Eritrean people. Outside help is welcome, even if it comes from Ethiopia, but this help should be complementary and not something that substitutes our own efforts and agendas.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Abraham,
            My view on Ethiopia vis-avis intervention is shaped by my desperation bordering hopelessness from a belief that we will not be able to build up a potent opposition defense to stop the killings soon.

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Sir or ma’am,
            Whether you are a christian or a moslem, non religion, teaches you that your treat was as casually as you do; I always thought that was a particularly male mentality and it distress me to know even women share this view of easy justification of death and carnage.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Tsegereda,
            But my point is just that: to stop death carnage. Why are you flagging a frowned and surprised as if we are not living death and carnage now? Scroll up Sis: this article we are commenting on is about a recent children death and carnage, is it not?
            Hayat

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Hayat,
            You wrote “… I want Ethiopia to get poked and provoked by DIA thereby creating the perfect storm or Ethiopia to come after him…”. This is a clear call for war! You forget that WE, Eritreans are the sole OWNERS of the solution. A genuin appeal would have been that we eritreans should solidify our strength, to get rid of this brutal regime and save our people. It is WE, who should come after IA and nobody else!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tzigereda:

            First there is difference between interference and support. The Eritrean struggle would not have succeed alone. It forged alliances with Ethiopians who had the same interest with us, most notably, TPLF, received support from outsiders, but we did the heavy lifting and owned the destiny, the vision and the ultimate goal. And all the alliances and support the Ghedli received was not because of the goodness of the people who supported us, but after calculating what it was in it for them. This remind me of a quote by Adams Smith: “It is not because of the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the bread maker that we receive our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
            I see nothing wrong if the Ethiopians calculated that it is in their best interest to go after IA, even if that means marching with tanks in Asmara, we know they are not doing it for us but it is not outside realm of ethics to use that opportunity to our advantage. Do we own the destiny, the goal and does their support facilitate the goal the opposition is saying it intends to accomplish or not is question. If there are some groups who want to sell us to the Ethiopians in exchange of removing IA, that is entirely a different matter and if we prove that is the case then we put those groups in pantheons of the PFDJ. We do not have to be the only ones we must come after him. We are doing the same thing over and over again and we are expecting the same result and am sure you know what Einstein called that;-). Give the support even interference by Ethiopia a chance, even the devil must be given its due, no?

          • Hope

            May be she is Mr . serray

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Hayat Adem;
            Hasty solutions do not often give the desired and fundamental outome. We’ve plenty of evidences happening right now in front of our own eyes: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Syria etc. However hard and difficult it might be, we’ve to opt for a change that is endorsed and supported by the majority of the Eritrean people. I’m against letting Ethiopia take the vanguard and decisive role in executing regime change in Eritrea for, among other things, these reasons:
            1)There is no any consensus either on the oppositon side or from within inside Eritrea, as to how the role of Ethiopia or other neighboring countries should be in bringing regime change in Eritrea.
            2) There is no, as yet, any functional entity that could fill the void once the PFDJ is gone. the opposition has still to craft an effective and reliable umbrella organization with clear programmes and agends for post-PFDJ Eritrea.
            3) Ethiopian direct intervention would mean use of force, this would again mean many more lives lost in the process, and other unpredictable outcomes.
            4) If one lets Ethiopia take a full control of the process of regime change, it should be remembered that Ethiopia is going to attach strings to its involvement that would eventually serve the sole interests of Ethiopia at the expense of Eritrea. This means Ethiopia is going to organise its interference and the ensuing outcome in a way that best benefits their own interests, and not that of the Eritrean people’s.

          • Dear Hayat Adem,

            I can understand your anger and utter disappointment with the inhumanly regime ruling Eritrea. As if the mayhem it has caused over the last two decades is not
            enough, lately it has become murderer of innocent children. It is sad to see that burdened as it is by such heinous crimes, still it has not lost supporters.
            Especially outrageous is the behavior of those who vacillate like a pendulum between the opposition and the regime. This is the drama of the Eritrean situation.

            Nevertheless, dear Hayat, war is a curse and should not be wished for, and should be avoided as much as possible. In a war, both parties, the victor and the vanquished are equally wounded, and we should always think of the young that are going to be sacrificial lambs. If we have lost thirteen of our innocent children today at
            the hands of the monster, it will be in their thousands if war breaks.

            Unless Eritreans fight their nemesis themselves, be sure, Ethiopia cannot be a solution.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hayat,

            Can’t you stop your bla bla? Do not be guided by FEAR. Ethiopia should not interfer by all means. We, Eritreans, know how to solve our problems. Eritrean problems by Eritreans themselves. Ethiopia should focus on its own internal matters and so we do.

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Horizon,
            Why do you act as if you don’t know the procedures followed internationally in similar cases, as if you don’t know that this is not the first time Ethiopian pilots have headed to neighboring countries. You know Ethiopians don’t need shaebia ‘ s conspiracy to flee their country. They have been doing it for centuries. The property will return to its owner following investigation of the incident and according to relevant international protocols. This has nothing to do with upping the tension between the two countries. Moreover, It is not a sole issue of PFDJ. It’s a national issue. All Ethiopia needs to do is agreeing on the arrangements of returning the property(presumably through third party) and collect it. No more, no less.

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday, all the nonsense of the Ethiopian government aside; only two thing could have happened.
            1) The crafts Entered Eritrean airspace the intercepted

            2) pilots defected
            And I don’t think the Ethiopians can claim it back. The two countries are in a war footing and I am not sure but I don’t think Eritrea is obliged to return them. not sure.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Nitrikay;
            What you are saying makes sense, it may well be true. I am not an expert on this issue, but I believe, although both countries are technically at war by not finalizing the border ruling which should be fully blamed on Ethiopia, they are not in an active state of war. I doubt they would risk another war over a helicopter. Those leaders, although crazy and jumpy, they are not made of Hayat’s stuff ( sorry, Hayat, you come up with good analysis on neutral scenarios, but you mess up when the possibility of Ethiopia knocking off Eritrea appears). Nitrikay calls it drooling. But please don’t wish us another senseless war. War consumes the youngsters you seem to be concerned about, not politicians. In the past war, it was the miscalculation of both capitals that took us to that terrible carnage. Neither of the regimes fell, but hundreds of thousands of innocent kids got killed.
            Back to you nitrikay:
            1. Both governments have career lawyers on international laws, so they will follow wherever the laws may lead them.
            2. I don’t think both countries leadership will escalate it to heightened hostilities. They have been remarkably restrained for 14 years considering the bloodbath that took place there.
            Ethiopia has already stated that its pilots defected to Eritrea. What’s interesting is that the helicopter flew from DireDawa to Eritrea, probably Dankalia region. Well, that’s not an impressive mission control record for Ethiopia. But here is what’s more interesting.
            – Ethiopian pilots had in the past fled to neighboring countries, but Ethio-Awatistas tell us as if news has happened.
            – Forget about soldiers and junior officers, a general defected to Eritrea in the past. A general is more expensive than many helicopters
            – Yesterday, there was news of loss of life in Bahr Dar, reportedly killed by security forces when a demonstration took place. You would expect our Ethiopian awatistas to share information about it; you would expect them how democratization has hit the wall in Ethiopia, but no. They are talking about a helicopter. I hate hypocrisy.

          • abrham
          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam abrham;
            A one time occurence could be an incident; but the trend is obvious, from hauling opponents to jail, to crashing demonstrators…to depriving dessidents a political space. It’s not mine, it’s a routine occurences reported by human rights concern organizations and governments including your staunch ally, the USA. My point was not so much to talk about Ethiopian politics, but about the folks who bash us here with heavy doses of “look at us.” It’s disconcerting to see them talking so much about a defected helicopter and what that could mean to the flexing of Ethiopian muscle northward when they could have talked about a much bigger news.
            Regards.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Horizon;
            I think we can never be sure here as to why the pilot and his helpers defected to Eritrea. It may be that these people are not happy and are disenfranchised regarding the way their country, and Air Force is run, and that they’re using this to express their dissatisfaction. I hope the Eritrean government would return the helicopter to Ethiopia, and if it happens that there are copilots and trainees who’ve found themselves in Eritrea against their wish, I hope they be freed and returned to their country. Similarly, if these people choose to be in Eritrea or any other country, they should be given the chance to do so. Above all, no one should be handed back to Ethiopia against their wish.

          • Haile WM

            Hayat,
            I sometimes don’t understand your perspective as an Eritrean, as much as i Hate PFDJ i don’t really see how the Ethiopian pilot whose name and rank clearly identified as an Ethiopian pilot has got to do with PFDJ?? really we need to put some perspective on our struggle. As painfull for you as it seems you have to admit the ethiopian government has it’s own problems and it’s opposing parties and some Ethiopians don’t agree with it. These pilots seems to have some kind of problem with their government, why on earth you are saying they are agents of PFDJ? by saying this you are giving a lot of credit to PFDJ and don’t read reality on the ground. PFDJ let alone having a pilot agent within the Ethiopian air-force can’t even properly manage it’s domestic air force, to the extent that Eritrean pilots are running with their planes too. This doesn’t’ make them agents of Saudi or which ever country they land, it simply means they disagree with PFDJ.

          • Hayat Adem

            [ “The agents of the Eritrean regime had carried out the
            helicopter hijacking,” the Ethiopian Defense Ministry added in the
            statement.]
            Haile WM, I just picked it from the news.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            With all the respect to you, can’t escape agreeing with Haile WM on this one. It seems to me you didn’t ‘just’ pick it up from the news.

            Having said that, I agree with Abinet here (below), wise leadership from Eth (I dont expect it from PFDJ) is needed at this time to avoid escalation.

            Best wishes,

            FS.

          • Estifanos

            Fnote,

            Hayat showed you a direct quote from the news article and you said “It seems to me you didn’t ‘just’ pick it up from the news.” what do you want to say?

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Estifanos,

            Let me make it very clear from the onset that it was only my assumption, but in spirit of honestly criticizing each other’s take on issues to make each other better (and this is by no means judgement on Hayat’s characters). It seemed to me in her reply to Abinet, she took statement from Defense ministry of Eth as the only explanation of what happened (i.e., hijacking instead of defection) and went on to make a point about PFDJ (BTW, she could rally make that point about PFDJ without the hijacking thing). I think that is more than ‘just’ picking up from news article, especially for a very smart person like Hayat. But again, I might be giving too much credit…..

            Best wishes,

            FS

        • Fetima Dechasa

          Dearest Hayat,

          I’m sorry but Eritrea isn’t the only neighboring country in turmoil at the moment, we’ve South Sudan and Somalia to deal with also. If providing refugee to those in need of refuge isn’t good enough, then not sure what will be. But one thing is for certain, Ethiopia has no business in Eritrea or internal Eritrean issues. Eritrea(ns) have other neighbors such as Sudan and Djibouti that you can call upon, not Ethiopia.

          You said, “Eritreans have a long memory and will not forget good hands at their bad time.”

          We can agree to disagree on this because we’ve seen what happened post 1991.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Fetima,
            You are helping SS and that is good. You are helping Somalia and that is good. Why can’t Ethiopians extend the same hand they extended to others east and west? The former PM was quoted a couple of times saying “we’ll make sure the Eritrean regime changes its behavior or or be changed.” This was 3-4 yrs ago. Neither of them changed so far and the Ethiopian govt is no more talking about it. What happened to that policy?

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Hayat,

            PMMZ’s views on Eritrea has always been favorable than most of us. Besides, we are already helping Eritrean refugees more than we have South Sudanese and Somali refugees by providing them with schooling opportunity.

            In my opinion, Ethiopia has no reason to get involved in the removal of the current Eritrean leader. How is this gonna benefit us? Please don’t say regional politics and such because that’s just opportunistic talk. We have wasted 30 years and many of our people on useless war. Why should we go back to that? Our priority is our nation and people, not our neighbors. Not an ounce of Ethiopian blood should be spend on Eritrea unless it’s to defend our beloved country. You are in charge of your own destiny as we are in our own.

        • Amde

          Dear Hayat

          I think Ethiopian involvement is a foregone conclusion. It is just a question of degree and timing.

          I see remote possibility of Ethiopian tanks rolling in to liberate Eritrea from Issayas. That is the Tanzania-Uganda model.

          The only reason i could see this happen is if Ethiopia feels state collapse is imminent or has happened. And state collapse is not necessarily synonymous with regime collapse – even though autocratic regimes sometime end up indeed being synonymous.

          Does this terrible tragedy mean Eritrean state collapse is imminent? I dont see it that way – but i admit i am not well informed. Unfortunately that also means we will continue seeing and hearing about such tragedies.

          The risk of Ethiopian involvement is that it may actually hasten or precipitate what it is intended to prevent. So without Eritrean partners that would be a no no. Such putative partners have a hard time of balancing Ethiopian government trust with Eritrean people trust.

          Lets say Ethiopia manages to control most of the populated areas. What is the scenario six months later? A year later?… By that time. whatever gratitude may have been felt will have been replaced by resentment of the thousand and one things people always bitch about. Will we be back to Unionist vs Independence days again?

          I dont subscribe to the hermetic separation point of view. It may be temporarily satisfying but it is not realistic. But the nature and extent of Ethiopian involvement will be directly related to the quality of partnership Eritrean alternatives will bring. Right now, I dont see it.

          My sincere condolences.

          Amde

  • haileTG

    Dear Awatista,

    It was once said that pride/vanity is the quicksand of reason. The last decade, perhaps to the most part, the thrust of cyber debating of the Eritrean debate centered around the Ghedli romantics vs de-romantics of opposites. The issue and the debates that ensued at the time seem to be outdated. Indeed, the argument for aligning with ghedli, and its good and bad, as a basis and framework for a united Eritrea seems to have prevailed.

    This decade, the core of the opposing polar viewpoints within the opposition appears to have moved to a new configuration. These opposing viewpoints can (at least in my mind) be seen as being waged between those whose priority is Ghedli’s “glory” vs those whose priority is Ghedli’s “legacy”. Again, as before, Ethiopia has become the battleground.

    The Ghedli glory camp has a total rejection to the idea of Eritreans organizing and launching their civil, political or armed struggle from Ethiopia. This of course, is a position held “no matter what” the cost may be. For example, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Eritreans in Ethiopia would imply that their attempt to organize politically is shunned (even though the proponents are also diaspora based and retain the right to organize from their locations of abode). In addition, Eritrean minority ethnic opposition groups such as the Kunama, Afar and Saho are dismissed as creations of “woyane”. This despite the groups would geographically and materially be limited from being able to struggle from anywhere else to resist against their grievances. All of them are transnational ethnic groups, such as the Saho are kinsmen to the Irobs, Afars and Kunama likewise to theirs. The Ghedli glory camp essentially has a generalized hostile attitude to Ethiopia (strictly stated as Ethiopian government, EPRDF and more pointedly TPLF in keeping with the fact that Ghedli glory is the driving engine) based on border demarcation, allegations of interference in opposition movement, and historical hostilities sometimes spanning over half a century.

    The Ghedli legacy camp is essentially of the view that Eritreans are capable of defending their country, they must proactively encourage regional peace, they must identify areas of cooperation with all neighboring countries and fundamentally speaking all Eritreans are equally valued and regardless of their wishes on how and where they they should struggle, the key is that they do and unite in doing so. This group is certain the regime in Eritrea is the only threat to the survival and well being of Eritreans. This group see no problem in reaching political and legal agreements with Ethiopia with conduct their opposition and other civil society and humanitarian operations. The Ghedli legacy group appears to believe that the outcome of Ghedli, in the nation of Eritrea , can’t be sustained though slammed door attitude [of the Ghedli glory camp] towards outside cooperation (even “self reliance” is somewhat featured in the glory camp’s manifesto).

    The two group’s have differences that are unlikely to be bridged in the short term, on par with the rapidly deteriorating conditions in Eritrea. And the fact that despite the death of 13 Eritrean children being announced, most of the glory camp rushing to engage in wranglings, goes to show that the division runs deep. Of course, when the price gets higher and Eritrean realty change by the day, so would the ground upon which each group is standing.

    Regards

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan HTG;
      A very interesting framing; I really want to see how it progresses.

    • AOsman

      HaileTG,

      And where do you place the majority in Eritrea who oppose or had enough of the regime and are looking for change? Ghedli glory or Ghedli legacy.

      I don’t they care, they will probably say we need less talk and more walk.

      Regards

      AOsman

      • haileTG

        Selamat AOsman,

        What I have outlined is a rough sketch of the discernible topology of the current political configuration. It is not an opinion poll of the people and what they may prioritize to solve their problem. My final concluding point was that I consider the current differences can’t be bridged in a good time as warranted by our national problems. Hence, should we make an effort to reconcile such unbridgeable differences or acknowledge those differences and move on the main task? Each side calls the other agent of their enemy, and the friction continues. What do you think the best way to encourage the walk? Mutual acceptance or annihilation of the other?

        Regards

        • AOsman

          Haile TG,

          I think the fact that opposition in general has not been able
          to challenge DIA inside Eritrea in a meaningful way is what is leading to the
          recrimination among groups that you mention (time to accept failure and not
          pass the buck on others goes for all).

          A lot of the time and discussion is wasted (inviting or
          pushing Ethiopia away) – (romaticizing or deromatizing gedli) – (Ghedli glory
          or Ghedli legacy maybe to come). The TRUTH is most of it is PASSA TEMPO.

          We need to move on from such cycles, the crisis is several
          levels higher that makes certain debates meaningless. If the situation is of
          two unbridgeable positions, let them both go their way and when tangible result
          can be seen……the majority will follow (that is human nature). I think we
          have heard such advice many times, but the problem is even not luck of heading
          them.

          The approach – assuming we took one position…..what is the
          next move? Each side can sing their hymn and follow to what their heart is comfortable
          with, both sides (assuming life is polar) understand the fear of the other by
          now then it will political miscalculation to antagonize each other as it will
          lead us to nowhere. The way you craft your word carefully, political
          organization can do so in their work. Those who are busy to achieve a clear goal
          are not interested to attract background noise and attract interference, but
          the opposite those who are no ready swim in political cacophony as it sounds they
          are busy. Unfortunately Eritrean opposition is full of the latter (am looking
          at the mirror now).

          As for the Kunama, Afar and Saho, no one is expecting them to
          move out of their region. All that is needed is to coordinate for their benefit
          as protecting their family/wider community. It will be an achievement if they
          manage to fend off oppression in their region. For them there is a platform in
          ENDC to reach any other military wing that exists or springs out, without
          considering Ethiopia’s support.

          Anyway, according to your previous analogy the opposition train
          must move (maybe two trains), we have duty to contribute in many way (money,
          time, direct involvement) and that is the fuel needed to reach our destination.

          Regards

          AOsman

  • Rodab

    Gud Nebsi,
    I might have read people refer you both as male or female. Do you mind telling me your gender? Just for the purpose of future communications.
    Thanks.

    • Hope

      Sounds like a man’s /be’al sirre gut and tone to me!

      • Hayat Adem

        You are skewed gender-wise, too, Hope? This comment of yours is very mannish and chauvinistic, and very sexist. It sounds as if you are saying he is too manly, too strong to be a female. Is it your view females are of less gut, inferior and weaker? That is one point.
        The other is even your testimony is not true. Not even a little bit. I think his horizon is too tight due to his solitude (gud-guad) That is the very place he chose to find himself:ጉድ ኣብ ጉድጓድ!

        • Gud

          Aha! So the political whore of Woyanie is taking a break from inviting and begging her pimp to invade Eritrea, and is attempting to wedge a proxi war on Gud now?

          But let me give credit, because I see credit is due here: You are really good at hooking (political hooking, that is). A bit on the old desperate, and rugged side, but still good

          “PFDJ agents hijacked helicopter” huh?

          • Hayat Adem

            ጉድ.
            What are you really seeing in PFDJ that I don’t. I sometimes wish I could understand you. If I am negotiating as a buyer to lower the price of an item am buying and the seller bargains hard from the other end, I will still play a hard ball but I would understand why the seller is playing it hard from his point of view.

            You and me have two issues: PFDJ and Ethiopia. Forget Ethiopia for now as I am aware of the controversy around it and you will have many more supporting your position than are mine. It is a subject that i want to advance and convince others in the coming. But right now, it appears to be a minority position and I know exactly why.
            But, can we agree at least on the former: on defining PFDJ? What part of the criminality of PFDJ is that I know and you don’t know? These can be enumerated as hard crimes committed on a country and citizens on a progressive intensity and magnitude. They are recent and we are living them. I don’t see the need of listing them for you here as I know you can list them as well. I don’t think you can stand any chance if you are trying to deny the fact they are committed.

            However, you could be under the sense that those crimes are explainable and even be justifiable. And that kind of thinking is very dangerous and unfair to those victims who are on the receiving end. Of course, if you are part of the crime team in PFDJ, your role will be that of the sells man. That, I can understand because you are not supposed to exercise self-criminalization. Everything is puzzling.

            Hayat

  • Saleh Johar

    Wo Tesfay, hope you are doing great. I wish you didn’t include your last sentence. Our record is impeccable when it comes to that. Yes, we boast about that. Nice to hear from you after so many years. Happy Holidays.

  • sad

    R.i.p. brothers and sisters .IT is a wolves thing trying to mislead the sheep’s to their final goal . So you brilliant X `s ( un known objectives ) are trying to explain us that finally we are neighbor of the angles ( Ethiopians ) who will care about our situation , loyal to Eritrean future , dedicated to Eritrea`s bright future are the best solution for this situation . I admire Peace’s perception , principle centered point of view . logic never changes with benefit and agendas . so the conspired ones are taking advantage of this heart touching situation . Deep inside they don’t mean it , they pretend as they care to full fill there agendas .

  • saay7

    Selamat tesfai:

    Happy new year to you and all friends and family, old friend. It’s been a very long time!

    Gedab News shared what it knew, it refrained from speculating what it didn’t know, and it withheld information that if feels their disclosure would violate the privacy of the bereaved or would be entirely irrelevant to the discussion and it promised it’s readers it would share more information as it becomes available.

    It appears that you may have more information Wedi Aboy Bahta. Why don’t you share it with deqi Awate.com?

    Saay

  • Gud

    Awate
    This is the way the guys at asmarino.com translated your news:
    ስርዓት ኣስመራ ፥ ናብ ጎረቤት ሃገር ሱዳን ክሰግሩ ኣብ ጉዕዞ ካብ ዝነበሩ 16 ኤርትራውያን ቆልዑ ነቶም 13 ብጥይት ወቒዑ ድሕሪ ምቕታል ኣብ ከዉሊ ከምዝደርበዮም፥ መርበብ ሓበሬታ ዓዋተ ካብ እሙናት ምንጭታቱ ንዝረኸቦ ሓበሬታ መርኲስ ብምግባር ኣቃሊዑ።
    Any comment, awate?

    • saay7

      Selamat Gud:

      It’s a mistake made by our brothers/friends at asmarino and we have been assured they will correct it. It’s a simple mistake of them mixing quoting awate and running their editorial.

      Thanks.

      saay

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Sad News!

    First, I send my condolences to the bereaved families on the loss of their loved ones. Having said this, though nothing can be ruled out in PFDJ’s Eritrea, I’ve certain questions regarding this news:

    1) Though it was known that the regime had choot to kill order on escapees, we’ve been witnessing Eritreans fleeing their country in their thausands, but luckily, there was almost no such news of killings, why now in this special case?

    2) The children were apparently chot before meeting their Eritrean smuggler?

    3) “The fate of 3 of the 16 children is unknown. Presumably, they are the ones that confirmed the death of the 13 Eritreans they were traveling with.” Is it possible that these three children have made it out of Eritrea? Because it is impossible for them to go free and tell the families of the fate of their loved ones if they are inside Eritrea?

    • Hope

      Good questions Abreham….
      Very perplexing and weird incident.But why would wome one kill the kids within Eritrea?
      Why just arrest them like it is done at the Sudanese Border/Tessenei?
      I know lots of Adults get arrested and rehabed to their units..let alone Kids.I know personally who have gone through this–safely.
      But unfortunately,we also know that the Regime uses its own Agents to smuggle people–so as to target certain groups and people…..
      Hence: Here is Conspiracy 101
      (Cannot rule Conspiracy)
      -A set up is possible
      -Angry EDF members could have done it as a retaliation due to grudges they might have against the officials.
      -Rashaida Terrosits and Smugglers/Organ Harvesters–etc–
      -Remember that the TPLF sponsored Terrorists were spotted in Ela-beri’d ,Wasdemba and Adi Shehay
      Every thing is possible in Eritrea considering the Crooked / dangerous security apparatus. and anarchism,Terrorism.
      Consider the Forto Incident.
      Some one was telling me that it was a “set up” so as to target the suspected “enemies”…
      Remember the G13/15 Saga/Conspiracy.And even worse,the Minister,who escaped was said to be involved in the conspiracy???Exposed them and ran away?
      I was told that way???Unbelievable??
      The same tactic is utilized to confuse the Opposition Parties—where PFDJ Spies are the main game players within the Opposition Parties.

      • Hope

        One more–there is constant sabotage as well…

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Hi Hope,
          Apropos the Forto incident; there are many unanswered questions. How could an army unit with tanks march towards Asmara without being confronted or stopped assuming the unit travelled from around Senafe to the capital city, a distance approx. 100km? And how did they transport the tank(s), on top of flatbed trucks? I don’t think they had to drive the tank(s) all the way to Asmara, it is too risky and impractical. For me that insident appears much a kind of a protest action, unfortunately a suicidal action, than an attempt of a coup. Some say, the plan was much wider than what tranpired, but Wedi Ali and co. were, unfortunately, betrayed by their colleagues. But who were this colleagues, and what happened to them after the failure of the action? Or can it be that Wedi Ali and his soldiers were unsuspecting instruments in a trap the dictator and his circle had devised to take out potential dissidents and trouble makers?

          • Semere Andom

            I think it was a real attempt of coup. Think about it, PFDJ would not take the risk of allowing them to ascend all the way atop and then allow them to broadcast a line or two. It would be messy if a bullet was fired and that is why PFDJ took it easy to calm them and then do their dirty work. I am sure everyone who was either knowingly or unknowingly was part of it has been excused, if not already, after much interrogation and torture. That is how PFDJ works. The problem with the would be coup carriers was that they did not learn from the past, both recent past and distant one.
            If this was a trap they would never allow them all the way to the ministry of information. Also remember that some people who were in the know may look the other way, that is they want the change but they want someone else to do it for them and they will join when the tide changes, when the odds of success gets higher
            It is mind boggling that taking all the risks and then and commit a suicide. It benefited no one, not them not the Eritrean people, it was a an other wasted opportunity, following suit with the G-15 and the 1993 tegadelti peaceful resistance. All the leaders and agitators were either executed or still anguishing in jail for 20 years. The crack down included everyone who had the faintest relationship, even those who refused to join but wished success and expressed that their heart was with the tegadelti were not spared from prison
            If you do not understand the MO of your enemy you cannot succeed and PFDJ has perfected the art of lying and betraying and skilling your from behind if your cross them. Every failed attempt to get rid of the PFDJ becomes a teaching moment for them and it becomes harder for a next attempt to jell and be successful. I am sure there are resistance we never hear about that take place and are crashed.
            PFJ would never take the risk of knowingly allowing Wedi-Ali and his men to get into the MoI., the unknown would be so unpredictable.
            I am also told that in the early 80s the so called “Yemin” were this close to arresting IA and people closer to him knew about it and did not alert him. Some who are in the know also say that the movement could have assassinated IA if they wanted to, but they opted to arrest him, a D.coup of sorts. I asked my good friend MaHmuday to shed light about this so we can learn that violent past, he is not co-operating so far, I could hear him murmuring “ntarik nhedego: ;-). And Co. Tsegu is in the know about this subject by virtue of his almost life long assignment to the infamous “Halewa Sewra” but he glosses over it in his book. The reason I mention this in relation to the Forto incident is to highlight that there are always people in the vicinity of the power center that give IA the blind eye, but sit on the fence until the tide changes to be part of it and to my mind that is what happened with the Forto incident. Also that every movement that failed so for is not because of the lack of guts but not learning from the failures of past movement and understanding the sick mind of PFDJ
            The Menkae movement, the Ymenin, the G-15, the 1993 resistance, the Forto incident were quintessential Eritrean movements, who unequivocally shunned violence in favor of peaceful and bloodless change. The PFDJ under the helm of the current leadership and its precursor under the same grip is un-Eritrean that is why many Eritreans criticize EPLF by saying that it hijacked the true Eritrean struggle in its budding age

      • haileTG

        Hope

        “—where PFDJ Spies are the main game players within the Opposition Parties.” Care to name some of these “main players doubling as spies?”

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Medhanie,
    Could you please elaborate any detail if you have more, of what we got from the Gadeb News. Thank you for confirming the news.
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The death of a child is the death of hope itself. Sadness profound, grief unbearable. In a battle, everybody pays….even victors. For we seek glory and care not about legacy, sometimes we might be the one’s considered more dead than the little stars, for whom we never had time for, even in between our politics. I hope they are in a better place, high up with the stars, looking down on us through the big window, up in the heavens. Looking and waiting, till their mamas and papas come to give them the tightest of hugs ever. Our children have passed away, may they rest in peace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipMack5IVg

    RIP

  • Semere Andom

    Playing the agame,unionist and woyane cards are “gedima”, tired old and it backfired, Both this terms are now applied to PFDJ supporters like you.
    So this will burn on your volatile chip let me summarize for you for purposes of longevity of your understanding
    There is one and only one entity in Eritrea now that is unti-Ghedli and it is PFDJ
    There are one unionist hiding behind Eritrea and it is PFDJ
    There is only one entity that hates everything Eritrean: its history, its bravery, it bright future and its potential and it is PFDJ
    There one entity that is a threat to Eritrea and it is PFDJ
    There is one bigoted entity that hates every ethnic group in Eritrea and it is PFDJ
    There is one entity that “kisses Woyane’s behind” to borrow your words and it is PFDJ
    There is only one group that needs to go back to the closet in shame and it is you, the unrepentant supporters of the so called government in Eritrea.
    We also know that people who came straight by planes from Asmara to the west and they are in our churches and our community centers wrecking havoc in the same manner as PFDJ is doing in Eritrea. These people the spies sent to the west as a payback for obeying to letter the shoot and kill policies of PFDJ and you sound like one of them

  • Peace!

    Hi all,

    Here we go, the Amen-Corner response to the tragedy is to call Ethiopia for help.

    What a shame!

    • Hayat Adem

      Peace,
      Tell me anything, anything under sky, that stops these serial tragedies, and I’ll be the last person to consider Ethiopia for help. But if you are preferring these tragedies to continue over inviting a neighbor that can do it, and all we can do is just mourning, then I left it to your common sense.

      Hayat

      • Kokhob Selam

        Hayata, it is not wrong to get support from Ethiopia at all. after all whom should someone ask for help except to his brother, But, it takes great braveness and trust first on self. even Ethiopians will help only if we will help first ourselves. no one wants to spend time and effort to help someone who is lazy and doubtful what his is doing. the change concerns more to Eritrean people and only when Eritrea is peaceful and prosperous others get advantage of take and give.

        I have one opinion, I see spending time in creating umbrella as common ground every month is no more successful. meeting after meeting didn’t give us any result. so having one party that will work practically in he field is needed badly. I support the present of practical party ike SERAWIT HIDRI. what do you say?

        • Abinet

          Kokob Selam
          Really? So you think we are brothers? you must be kidding.
          After we killed hundreds of thousands of young people now , all of a sudden, we become brothers? Is that why you went to ” meda ” looking for an ethiopian brother? Ask Ato Amanuel Hidrat he will tell you how how he worked hard in mass mobilization in addis to kill the brotherhood between us.
          Are you telling me that I lost my uncles, cousins, friends in a brotherly war for 30+ years?
          Please be serious. You have got what you wanted which is to be my neighbor not my brother.
          I don’t want to lose a single ethiopian life for eritrean cause. Why?why?why? You have no shame. Deal with it yourself. Don’t involve my country in any shape or form.
          Eritrean solution for eritrean problem !
          Thanks

          • Rodab

            Abi,
            I would say the number of Ethiopians killed by Ethiopians is by far greater than Ethiopians killed by Eritreans. I.e. Woyanes against the Dergs, Oromos against the Dergs, Oromos against the Woyanes, Woyanes against the ONLF, Afar against………..the list is long. But they are still brothers and make up the nation of Ethiopia, right?

          • Abinet

            Rodab
            The simple answer is NO. You are wrong and exaggerating. Derg didn’t pick and choose who to kill . Of course, derg kill mostly in the “red terror” era.
            The woyanes fought for equality and self determination not to be our neighbors.
            You see if you call me enemy one day, and a brother the next day, I dont trust you at all. All I know is that you fought not to be our brothers.
            It sounds like either you are opportunist or confused or you think we are stupid ( backward) not to distinguish a neighbor from a brother .
            My point in short is that we are not brothers so we don’t die for your cause.

          • Rodab

            Abi,
            No I am not opportunist, nor confused. Neither are you a stupid – just a little right-wingista:-) That’s all.
            Ok, so you excused the Derg because it didn’t choose victims, you excused the Woyanes because their struggle was for equalityy (and the OLF and OLNF?) But why not excuse Eritreans too, for their desire to be independent? When you were a little boy, you loved your little brothers and sisters. When you guys went separate ways and made your own families, you still love them and they are still your bros and sisters.

          • Abinet

            Rodab
            That is funny. All my brothers and sisters are married and I love them dearly. Besides, they didn’t shoot their way out from my parents house. We are still children to our parents not enemies.
            OLF? ONLF?
            Let IA host them .
            Eritreans? I excused them , I accepted them as my neighbors, I have moved on, but I don’t die for them.
            I don’t consider myself as a right- wingista rather a moderista.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abinet, take it easy. the war is over, we have discussed why, and how it was created. we can’t bring back that history, that is gone never to come back again. we Habesha people could have done better. I have been there and a lot of my comrades were killed. that means I am here by chance.

            My friend if I will tell you I was happy to fight but that was a choice without choice. the ex leaders fail to handle the difference. they use force and killed a lot long before the armed struggle started and during the struggle. it is difficult for me to say the war was between Ethiopian and Eritrea people, the war was between your leaders and our people.

            what ever is done or said we are brothers. you have no choice my friend except to accept it because that was and is true.

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            You see what you are doing? You are forcing me to accept you as my brother. I forced you for 30+ years to accept me as your brother and I failed big time. The more I call you brother the more you hated me and went to “meda ” looking for your ” true” brothers. Now you are forcing me. What changed?
            ” chuheten qemugn ” hone negeru.
            Let’s be good neighbors.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abnet, It seems you were not around when we were discussing long back about those subjects. Allow me to list few if my understanding and believe.

            01. You don’t have to force me nor do I to be united as unity is should be the choice of two.

            02. The past is just history recorded and we only can learn from past. We learn from the past that Ethiopian ex-governments are responsible for all death and damaged done in two sisterly countries and those few among Eritreans who chose unity without hearing he choice of people are
            equally responsible.

            03. Eritrean struggle had contributed in throwing Derg. the Ethiopians struggle against Derg was also for the advantage of both.

            04. It is possible to remain united while respecting national freedom of people.

            05. Eritrean question for freedom was only part of the struggle but the higher aim is to create democratic nation.

            06. If Eritreans were marching to Addis supporting Ethiopian fighters against the (Mengstu) dictator, there is no mistake in getting support from Ethiopians against Eritrean dictator. But still putting into consideration the choice of both people – support or no support.

            07. We are both Habesha people, and Eritreans didn’t fight to be Arab as Mensgtu use to say it. You will not find closer nation to Eritrea more than Ethiopia and vise versa .

            This is just few to mention. Do you agree?

            Now never think Eritrean will regret for the long national struggle just because PFDJ is there and we are suffering too much. Never!! we know part of the struggle is completed and part is going
            on to make the final job. Eritrean will become democratic nation and you and me need wisdom to let both people enjoy by creating harmony. Again remember you are my brother, it is only
            understanding the meaning of brotherhood that is needed. You should be free to have your own family and I should also.

          • Hope

            —-but you lost 130,000 for NOTHING or for a piece of a barren land???
            Hypocrit?
            But yes,you are right,eventhough we are borthers by any standard,.we are neighbors…and let us keep that way…
            And ofcourse, NO,we do not need Ethiopia’s help….coz ethiopia has contributed to the mess.

          • guist

            Abinet, you make my day. please tell us the fool Eritreans that you are coming to Eritrea to Finnish the killing of Eritreans what yohannes4th, Alula, Menelik2nd, Haile selassie,Mengistu and meles left of and not to help the fools so called Eritreans. Tell us as it is and still would not sink the scalp of thick Eritreans we are hypnotized by Tigrains boo do (siray).

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Peace,
      I know you are intelligent and you have a strong viewpoint. Wouldn’t it be better, and enriching to the forum, to debate and argue your viewpoint instead of repeatedly limiting your one line comments to simply jeer and boo others who bring their views and defend them? Isn’t it an opportunity to challenge the views? Just a thought 🙂

      • Peace!

        Dear SJ,

        I am ready to debate with anyone who believes sustainable solution will only come from within. Otherwise, you and I know the Eritrean politics is too messy to the extent it cannot be cured by even civilized debate. People are here defending Ethiopia more than Ethiopians themselves.

        Regards

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Peace,
          Taking in to account the reality of the opposition camp, can you tell us how to remove the machine of killing (the regime) from power. simply opposing to the alternative is not a solution.

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            I am one of those who believe reform is the best solution.The sad part is we are not paying attention to why we have failed miserably to have a united voice for common cause. Look, how many opposition groups we have for this tiny country?

            God knows how many Syrians, Iraqis,and Libyans have died. The world is not the same as it was yesterday, so gradual reform is less risky.

            regards

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Peace!,

            It is good that I waited. You wrote to me, “sorry, your point is pointless.” Was it really pointless? Within this thread, I am still with blood chilled. I can’t write more. But, I will come unto you on other threads to expose you naked and throw you in the garbage ban.

            We are enough with reformists and serial killers. Point!

            Hawki
            tes

          • Peace!

            Dear Tes,

            Tes hawey you are right kemzi natka yehayish hatew ketew tsihifka, and put ” Hawka” or “ya kelib Wahid” at the bottom.

            Cheers

        • Saleh Johar

          Dear Peace,
          Indeed you are stating your readiness to debate but you have a condition that you will only debate with people who believe sustainable solution will come from within. But debating is actually done with those who have a different view than what you hold. That being your choice, and and this being a debating forum, I am bringing to your attention that you often peek to jeer and boo and that is not a good think to do. If you have something to say, you are welcome, otherwise, your jeering is becoming a distraction and you are not adding value to the forum. I count on you to add value and that is the reason for my interjection. If you have nothing to say, it is better not to say it. We need your help here sir 🙂 .

          • Peace!

            Dear SJ,

            There is a difference between view point and conspiracy, so there is no precondition here. And the other thing is, Br. Saleh, what’s distraction to you might not be a destruction to others. Not too long ago, you yourself allowed an individual to “swear” here in this very forum which is disrespectful and against the posting guideline. so please don’t beg for help as if I am disrespecting others.

            regards

      • Gud

        You know Mr Gadi, your advice applies to mr Gadi too. Unless, by picking on Pease, this is your own indirectly way of endorsing what those calling for Ethiopia. If that is so, shouldn’t you use your own voice instead of taking a ride with others

        • Saleh Johar

          Dear,
          If I want to endorse anything at all, I just do it. I don’t state my views by insinuations, never did, never will.

  • Kokhob Selam

    That is very bad. but did we hear good news since PFDJ came to power? Hey, am I crazy if I say we are all responsible for the death of those kids? I am no more blaming PFDJ, I once heard some one from a saying form Arabs “LA ZENB BA’EDLE KUFUR” We have nothing to blame the group who says he will govern by force without any system. effective 2015 I will start blaming first Kokhob Selam for not taking action to clean Eritrea then everyone who want to see justice. I think we are first responsible?

  • Sarah Ogbay

    It is very sad, sad news. My heart has been heavy since I heard about it after I called Asmara few few days ago. Now I have also started to worry – worry a lot that we are getting used to such sad stories. Stories like this should even push us and encourage us to do more and fast. But I don’t think this will happen as our hearts have hardened.
    Lose of your child is the worst thing that can happen to a parent. I feel for them.

  • Hayat Adem

    Gud,
    Ok 13 (THIRTEEN) Eritrean kids were gunned down. That is the news. Stay on that. The rest was my interpretation.

  • Hayat Adem

    Thanks Medhanie,
    If I may be allowed to catch you on that and ask you a question, what are the chances this couldn’t have been done by government gun men?
    Hayat

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Hayat:
      There are no chances here, it 100% the government. Even this was committed by unhinged gun man, the government is responsible, if this was committed by the partners in crime and the organ trafficker par excellence, some the Rashidas who are in this heinous business, it is the government. If this was committed by someone practicing for fun by the guns provided to him by PFDJ, It is the government. Everything is them and by them and for them. There is no probability, this is not even a binary either the government or non government. It is unary counting system. You flip this one sided coin and you are guaranteed to get the same result every time

  • Nitricc

    Sometimes I don’t understand how AT functions? For a moment, I thought I was reading Assena.com. Why and who shoot the kids? We are told 4000 people are leaving Eritrea a month and why would this 13 kids specifically be killed? Really?
    And off course, the Dedebit grad is all over it. I suggest worry about your Adi-grat.

    • saay7

      Selamat Nitricc:

      Read the report carefully. Nowhere does it say who the shooter(s) is (are.)

      It is a story of a mother and a father who spent their whole youth trying to bring about Eritrean independence and are spending their advancing age trying to smuggle their children out of the country. It is a story of parents who lose 3 children. It is a story of a country where even government officials have given up on the government.

      saay

      • Guest

        Selamat Saay,

        It is a tragic and heart breaking story. Condolences to the family. I hope God gives them the strength they need.

        If the story is “of parents who lose 3 children. It is a story of a country where even government officials have given up on the government.” , why is it written then in the way even the “smart” among us would conclude ” A government shooting its own minors” after reading the story? It is unfortunate that the “Why and who shoot the kids?” is left out of the story deliberately.

    • Hayat Adem

      No Nitricc, I’ll worry and I feel very bad that I couldn’t do more than worrying. Assuming the news is true, and I don’t doubt the credibility of Awate’s news reporting if the past is an indicator, any normal person should feel the pain. You side with killers and continue worrying about this criminal man, and I’ll worry about these kids, brother.
      What a machine-hearten piece of human being you have become!
      Hayat

      • Gud

        unconscious or forced acknowledgment of a closet WOYANIE coming out of Dedebit

        “the Dedebit grad is all over it. I suggest worry about your Adi-grat”

        “I’ll worry and I feel very bad that I couldn’t do more than worrying”

        Fell into the trap, running away from the “government shot the kids” lie the woyanie threw in here earlier

        • Hayat Adem

          What a trap it is!!! Your heart and mind is on the “getcho” business even as you read tragic news such as this one?!
          Nitricc has been fixated with the notion of recognizing me as Dedebit grad and that I’m from Adgrat. I am not going fight him over this forever. and the truth is I don’t mind him placing me in Adigrat or Dedebit as it matters less. But I mind his bad taste and judgement of standing by the culprit. The kids are victims whether they belong to SenAfe or Adgrat. You can not be Eritrean before you are a human being. I suspect, you too are suffering from taking the wrong side.

          If your cognitive abilities are not compromised, the kids were found near GindaE. If you think it is not conclusive to point fingers at the government, you don’t any thing to sympathize with the victims and their families and then start your own investigation as to who did it and come back and tell us if you have a different answer then.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      The worst beast in our world is the one that holds the human being structure.

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Anta Nitricc,
      It does not matter who did it and why. Doesn’t the fact that 13 young people have been killed in cold blood bother you? Who shot them? Some one armed! why? just because he/they can. This should bother you more than anything else. Some heartless killer/killers has/have committed this atrocity. It is disturbing that our country that is so young would fall in the hands of conniving killers. Our country has become a country where mothers cry non-stop; a country where the young have no vision and no respect for their lives; a country where the agony of parents gets worse by the minute; where mothers’ live in fear of the worst for their children; A country where hope is fading. This should scare the being out of you!

  • Hayat Adem

    We are note hearing painful story for the first time; and it is not going to be the last. But there are things to note:
    1) we are getting used to such distressing stories and seem to be developing an emotional thickness making ourselves incapable of anger. It is like some one gets intoxicated by the first bottle of beer for the first time and after practicing it for years. 10 is not even enough to get him to that level. There have been so many events in this land that would have turned any administration upside down. We are setting a different and abnormal crossing threshold of tolerance. One Brown is stirring the whole USA, and nothing seems to be enough in our Eritrea. A government shooting its own minors is rarely seen. And if it was, that would the end of that government.
    2) This government is out of another planet. Really! When you tell them “it is wrong to do….,” they tell you “pick up a gun and fight us if you got enough balls”. Or, their improved version is “go to the moon”. And when you try to go to the “moon”, they shoot you from behind. I think they are truly blood thirsty in the sense of serial killer. Otherwise, shooting never deterred the outward movement of our people, and one gets boggled why they keep on shooting minors from the back.
    3) What sense do people make of the “reform pfdj” through a “democratic coup”? How do you reform a serial killer? Such thoughts are clouding our people to clearly see pfdj for what it really is.
    Hayat

    • AOsman

      Hayat Adem,

      “pick up a gun and fight us if you got enough balls”.

      Not only that, DIA has gone a step further, he has distributed guns to civilians.

      There was a time when the issue of raising arms vs non-violent approach was a major contention, to the point many from non-violent crowd made a little arm resistance as though it was crime against humanity.

      Now we are frozen, even with guns in our hand we would not protect ourselves.

      Threshold of tolerance – to get shocked it will always be raised, so long the threshold for dignity is lowered and gangs are allowed to tramp on us without learning to retaliate with the same measure or more.

      On your last point, even though you are using this sad occasion to criticize “democratic coup”, I wonder if what you have in mind (alternative) is any different to bring relief to the oppressed. So it is better not to revive another kolel of debate as it only deals with post-DIA but nothing to deal with the current situation.

      Regards

      AOsman

      • Hayat Adem

        Yes AOsman,
        get rid of this monster by all means necessary including with the help of Ethiopia and other neighbors. If they are good enough for us to run to as a refugee, they may be good enough to stretch a helping hand so that Eritreans can be safe and at peace in their own land and work to prosper.
        Hayat

        • AOsman

          Hayat Adem,

          “get rid of this monster by all means necessary including with the help of Ethiopia and other neighbors”.

          I would forget Ethiopia for now, what is stopping them from pushing DIA from the edge of the clif that he is standing and waiting for all. By your moaning in #3, I guess they are waiting for SAAY approval.

          Come on – we need to take responsibility first, Ethiopia’s or any “other neighboring” assistance if it comes when needed should be a bonus, not a requisite to claim our rights.

          The focus should be on the armed wings to work under a united front (to be supported) and for those who are in the country to face their problem (to be emboldened) rather than running away from it.

          Yeah, I am calling myself hypocrite, for not practicing what I preach, but I see no way around this ordeal except a slow and painful death.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes, United Eritrean armed forces would be the first and the best option. The problem is it seems either we, as people, are not doing enough to get them out of latency or something is wrong with the way they are organizing themselves. The result: there is no one to defend our people. And would you let this continue or invite a neighboring force to help? If you prefer to let the situation continue until a potent Eritrean force comes to into playing its role, then don’t you worry it might be too late save the people, and therefore the country?’

          • AOsman

            Hayat,

            How do you invite Ethiopia? Mr Chalibi hard to find situation.

            Ethiopia does not need invitation, have you forgotten Somalia?

            One guy from the Courts Union shouted HNGUGU and they moved……simple pretext (truth is USA gave them green light)……for Eritrea they could pull many reasons, but they have their calculation and at the moment waiting serves their national interest. Ethiopia has the opposition within its realm of control, you think they can’t collect enough people to say “they invited us”…please clarify what do you mean by invitation and how you envisage it should be done. Hopefully is not another guilt-tripping exercise.

            Whatever plays on the Ethiopia vs Eritrea game, as it stands the opposition have no influence beyond being used for something that they will not control later. They need to take charge with the Eritrean armed opposition forces moving inside Eritrea, their presence however small will boost the moral of those inside.

            The opposition need bold leadership to be catalyst for change, the regime will crumble once tested. ALBAQI HUWA KELAM ALAL HAWA

            Regards

            AOsman

          • Hayat Adem

            AOsman,
            Who represents Eritrea and Eritreans right now? Under normal circumstances, elected governments represent a country. Well. we’ll have to wait “3-4 decades PLUS may be more” if it has to be the PFDJ way. Even if unelected, normal dictatorial ruling parties may also represent their people and the country, mainly on the international fora. But PFDJ can and must never represent the nation and its people while they are killing both. The thousands of people fleeing or boycotting PFDJ. PFDJ made life unbearable and unlivable. When people try to leave, it shoots at them. If they get killed, it leaves them there. If they are lucky enough to cross the borders, PFDJ agents follow them and traffic them for profiteering. If they fall at the hands of the Senai criminals or sink in the Med Sea, PFDJ would ignore or disavow the dead, and move on. If they survive the harsh route and made it to Europe or Israel, PFDJ follows them again to extract the 2%.
            The best option we have so far as far as representing Eritrea is the opposition. The opposition forces should work towards that and start acting as a representative body.
            It is not the best thing but is better than losing the youth, watching the unfolding of a demographic collapse. When Ethiopia and other neighbors see violence, chaos and civil war on the making and they feel the heat, they will make the move out of prudence invoking self protection or humanitarian reasons, or whatever. So better we do it before it is too late and with preset conditions that minimize the intervention, and leave all the restructuring and governance matters for Eritreans. Remove Isaias and his oppressing system using Ethiopian forces or IGAD joint forces or the East African Birgade and leave. The stabilization and transitioning governance can be handled by Eritreans.
            Hayat

          • Peace!

            Dear Hayat,

            Why do you think we need help from Ethiopia to get rid of the dictator? Do you think it is appropriate to politicize such heart breaking tragedy?

            Regards

          • Hayat Adem

            I’m not politicizing it, Peace. I was attributing this tragic loss to the current leadership. It is my view this leadership is to soaked with blood of our innocent people and we should do something better and bigger than a call to reform it. And AOsman asked me if I can propose an alternative, and that was it. I’m sick of such tragedies and how many of them are we to keep counting!

        • Gud

          Here you go! It is with a lightening speed that you have to bring your mama Ethiopia here.

          We hate the presence of woyanie in our soil illegaly as it is, and here you are working hard day and night to give them some kind of legal cover to invade our nation. Immpressive, really. I guess we should be grateful to you for being direct this time.

          And adding “and other neighbours” with Ethiopia was hilarious

          Thanks for the laugh

          • Semere Andom

            No No No Gud:
            PFDJ has gave them the legal cover to invade the Eritrean people behind which they hide. And also No, No you do not hate the presence of Ethiopia you love them so much that you hazard death, people as young as 8 years old take the risk to go to the nearby heaven, Ethiopia. Maybe it was wrong to talk about Ethiopia while we mourn the kids but that does not license you to lie about it. PFDJ do not have the balls to face Woyane that is why they are occupying our land for over 10 years. What kind of government allows its sovereign land be occupied by the enemy and instead of taking the anger of their humiliation onto the Woyane, they take it on the people, zehmiqo aleni betrey habuni.
            Get real for once

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sem,

            It is for such barbaric PFDJ-culture of killing are some of our erudite want to reform. Yegermal! You can’t reform a wild organization that devour our tegedalti in the field and now the Eritrean people. A wild culture must be rooted out by a revolution. Where are those who were calling for “democratic coup”? Where is their voice now? Is it really feasible when even the colonels are sending the youngest of the young of their own with this risky business of human trafficking to escape them from the “dark nation” of ours. How dark it could be the generals and colonels to bring the so called coup if their prescription is feasible?

            What the prescribers’ of democratic coup didn’t want to understand is (not that is beyond their comprehension but to save the name of PFDJ as PFDJ-2) that the problem is not Issayas only but the culture of the system and its institution. If the military is entrenched in the PFDJ-party, there is no way to expect any kind of coup what so ever. Could some one from the Chinese communist Party or Korean communist party expect any kind of coup? I don’t think so. The Eritrean case is not different from the Chinese and Korean reality. To the prescriber’s of democratic coup, we challenge them that even to entertain the idea in itself is a misleading based on the nature of the regime we have.

            My heart goes to these young kids (the would be hopes of future Eritrea) whose lives are taken or caused them to face such tragedy – the systemic act of the regime. My heart goes also to their parents who saw the dreams of their kids cut short and are faced with this tragic news. Unfortunately we will be also responsible for our complacency to the continuous tragic circumstances of our people. Like Dr. Sara Ogbay, I am also worried that we are getting used to our people’s tragic stories, as we are spending our time debating to none pressing issues such as border issue which is beyond our limits. Can we stop this name calling and work together to allievate the tragedy of our people. Enough is Enough, it is time to coordinate and harmonize our efforts.

            Amanuel Hidrat

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Very sad news. I can’t even put my fingers on the keyboard properly. My heart is crying. I can’t see tears coming out but I can feel my blood chilling.

    Why all these happening to our people? Why?

  • Semere Andom

    Hi AT:
    Sad news in deed. This and other previous and similar murders by the regime’s shoot to kill has been the emblem of Eritrea. Contrast that to the words of Aberra Mekonnen and other freedom fighters in the Kramer tapes. The dreams of generations of Eritrea flushed in the dirty toilets of PFDJ.
    The tragedies that are happening unabated say more about the people than PFDJ. It has been proved again and again to the decimal point that PFDJ is hell-bent to destroy Eritrea so they can rule it for ever. This may sound ironic, how can they be hell-bent to destroy Eritrea if they want to rule it for ever? The answer is, PFDJ can only function in destroyed Eritrea and not vibrant Eritrea. Their success is rooted in the oxymoronic aspect of their designs.
    There are countless of examples when the kids of freedom fighters has been shot at and killed. The attempt of the children of Petros Solomon immediately comes to mind. The wife of Haile Derue was denied to support her family by selling “Injera. PFD’s crimes are multi-faceted

    Every time such tragedies happen the society is shell shocked and this shows that a big chunk of the society has not wrapped it head around the cruelty of the PFDJ . When the parents of these kids went to fight for freedom they were almost sure they will never return alive, but it with the assurance that the young, the future generations of every Eritrean, freedom fighter or no-freedom fighter will have a better life than theirs and their sacrifices would pave the path for them to build a much better nation for the next generation. And so on, refining the nation with time. Their expectation from their struggle was modest, but their dream was huge and they did not dream it in their slumber, but they visualized it with their eyes open as the Lawrence of Arabia said.
    When will we stop to be shocked by the actions of PFDJ? I for one, am sure that PFDJ will burn or massacre an entire village in the same manner as Weki-Duba and others like Ad-Ibrhaim and other villages if the PFDJ suspected some opposition members are among them. So as long as PFDJ is in Eritrea brace for even more brutal crimes against every Eritrean, it matters not if your are the child of a freedom fighter, the orphan of a freedom fighter, the widow of founding father or the aging parent of a former freedom fighter. But if you are DEMHT member you can roam the streets of Asmara, rape the kids and round the youth with the blessing of the PFDJ, its groupies and those who bestow their cruel emboldening support to PFDJ
    I hold Isaias Afewerki and the entire apparatus of PFDJ responsible, regardless how many their are, they can be handful or bountiful. I also hold those robots who shoot at the kids equally responsible, we were just following orders will not spare you from the fires of justice in response to your injustice. You have God given mind andheart to decide if what you are doing is right or wrong. It is in you to do the right thing!
    My heart goes to the parents of the families of the deceased