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The Intellectual Leader Osman Saleh Sabbe

All Eritrean martyrs have a story behind them. In addition, we have the disabled, crippled and deformed survivors to remind Eritreans of the hell they went through. Eritreans need them. Yes, they need them around… for they need to be reminded about the sufferings and the price they had to pay for self-determination and freedom.

Individual Martyrs are representatives of many like them. They remind us of the so many who left with them. It is with this spirit that we remember Sabbe, the famous Osman Saleh Sabbe. Would you imagine any politician during the period of the Eritrean armed struggle who was ridiculed as much as Sabbe was? He was wronged alive and he is still being wronged almost thirty years after his death.

Thanks to his diplomatic acumen, Sabbe was instrumental in getting the first batch of arms to Awate when he ignited the armed struggle. Later, the Eritrean Liberation Army’s capabilities were upgraded, again, thanks to Sabbe who managed to get the first group of fighters trained in China and Cuba. Sabbe opened the gates of the Arab world and later, those gates became the source of military training, Arms supply, Financial assistance and scholarships. His tactful and calculating diplomacy is something we miss in Eritrea today. In a world of Bi-Polar politics, Sabbe managed to navigate through the corridors of power and influence not hindered by the difficulties that he had to face. His resolve was strong and undoubtedly, a determined patriotic.

Osman Saleh Sabbe (Sabbe) was one of the main leaders of the Eritrean struggle and more than any other leader, he succeeded in exposing the Eritrean struggle to the world. His smart diplomacy enabled the Eritrean revolution to send young combatants to many countries, including Cuba and China. Thanks to Sabbe, many were Eritreans were trained in China, including the present Eritrean dictator Isaias Afwerki.

The fifth of eight siblings, Sabbe was born in Hirgigo in 1932. From a young age, his restlessness, fluency, and mental agility were visible and that attracted the attention of his father’s maternal uncle Kadi [Judge] Hassan Osman with who Sabbe was very attached. The Kadi brought young Sabbe to the attention of the great philanthropist and educator Saleh Pasha Ahmed Kekia who became his mentor. From early on, Sabbe was exposed to the life of coastal Samhar and Dankalia where hi uncle Ismail’s boats traveled the coastal waters of Samhar and Dankalia and he visited most of the coastal towns of those regions including Zula, Irafale, and Bailul. He was also familiarized with the nomadic life of his uncles who took him along on their migratory trips between Hazamo and Gadam. In addition, his uncles as well as his elder brother Mohammed Ahmed and cousins familiarized him with their seafaring experiences.

In 1944, after completing Koranic studies, he joined the Hirgigo Charity School (Changed to Emperor Haile Sellassie I School in 1950) built by Pasha Kikia who in 1950 sent him on a scholarship to Addis Ababa where he attended the Medhane Alem School. Later on he joined a one-year teacher’s training course and upon graduation in September, 1954 he became a teacher in Hirgigo School and in 1955 he became the director of the school. In June, 1956 he took the General Certificate of Education Exam of the University of London and continued correspondence education until and in 1959 he obtained a B.A.degree in History and Political Science.

Osman was reluctant to travel far to Ethiopia but his uncle and the Kadi and Saleh Pasha Kekia convinced him that if he wanted to work for the Eritrean independence, he should educate himself wherever he finds the opportunity. Thereafter, whenever he saw Eritreans engaging in any technical activity of developmental nature, he used to say “would it have not been better to carry such activities for the development of Eritrea?”

While in Addis Ababa, he convinced his friends to join him in a patriotic pact and in August, 1953 while he was at the Wingate School during, twenty-three them signed their pact in blood, and since then their mutual care, concern, support and love never wavered even under the strain of testing circumstances until his departure for eternal rest in 1987. But that pact among friends, and the general Eritrean struggle, culminated in the independent of Eritrea in 1991.

In June, 1957 Osman and his students were orphaned upon the death of Saleh Pasha Kekia, their patron and spiritual father. But the support system created by the Pasha and carried on with the help of his friends sent the first student group to Cairo. After seeing the students off in Khartoum Sabbe returned to resume his work, but a slower pace due to lack of funds. However, after the dispatch to Cairo of the first group of students around May, 1958, Mohammed Ali Budduho became their mentor.

Among those who were involved in helping the students and transferring the funds to Cairo via Yemen was Mohammed Ali Saleh Dafla, the EPLF veteran, who also carried letters Ahmed Abdulkadir Bashir, another Budduho friend. Ahmed Bashir was being followed by General Tedla Okbit’s security forces who found his letter and Sabbe’s letter with Dafla. Osman was arrested and severely beaten by the security officers. Luckily, General Zer’e Mariam Azazi intervened and saved Sabbe on bail and under his personal guarantee.

In July, 1958 Sabbe received a letter from Mohammed Ali Oumaru and his friends saying that they could not continue their trip to Cairo, because they ran out of funds. So, he had called one of the Addis pact signatories and made arrangements to have the money sent. Well, whoever came in contact with Osman would be convinced to be generous if he is not, and be more generous if he was.Osman was always bubbling with ideas who implementation required money. However, of all people his family was paying the heaviest price.

From then on he started to think of going full-time into political activism, although he knew that it was premature without preparing cadres—he decided to prepare for it while at home. However, by mid 1959 he concluded it was not doable and he decided to leave home and launch the struggle from abroad. Thus, in August, 1959 he boarded a ship from Massawa to Assab where he joined the Paul Ries shipping company as an assistant director. He remained there until the end of January 1960 when he crossed the Red Sea to Yemen. After a few weeks in Yemen, he found Mohammed Asmerawi, a truck owner from Sanafe, who smuggled him into Saudi Arabia where he found two of his co-signatories of the Addis pact, namely Osman Idris Khiar and Abdu Yassin Jumeil. He remained dedicated to the Eritrean struggle of independence until his death in Cairo, in April 4, 1987.

Sabbe always remained a politician who knew how to balance the interests of the Eritrean society with diverse regional interests. Unfortunately, his inclusive approach won him enemies from almost all political groups. The Labor Party of the ELF, which imported Marxism into Eritrean politics, considered Sabbe its primary enemy. He wanted to block the influence of Marxism in the ELF and many believe that he formed the PLF for that purpose. In a few years time, the PLF that he founded was taken over by Maoist oriented radicals. The PLF grew in number considerably due to military alliances. When he was convinced that the PLF has became another bastion of Marxism, he tried to fight it by yet, founding another force. In the seventies, Marxist ideas were so widespread and it was the only accepted political fad to the extent that his efforts to fight it did not bear fruit. He had to walk skillfully on the political rope: fighting Marxism and at the same time convincing the Arab world to support Eritrea’s struggle when the Arab World included Socialist Countries like Syria and Iraq. His problems overwhelmed him because both, the EPLF and the ELF concentrated their propaganda machines against him and portrayed him as a CIA agent, a Tribalist, a regionalist, and the sticking one, the Marxist equivalent of a ‘public enemy no. 1’: Reactionary!

Sabbe was also a literary giant; he is the only leader who spent time collecting materials and writing books. He has several published and unpublished books, mostly dealing with the History of Eritrea. The soft spoken and always smiling Sabbe was a giant among the giant martyrs of Eritrea—may God bless his soul.

In his Cairo deathbed on April 4, 1987, Sabbe gave his will: his wish to be buried in Eritrea, his country that he so much loved. Now, 29 years after his death, the wish that he made on his deathbed is not yet fulfilled. The remains of Sabbe are still buried in the Deserts of Sudan. A question arises: What keeps Sabbe’s remains there when he has clearly indicated his wish? Doesn’t he deserve to be brought home like the other remains that found their last resting place in the Martyrs Cemetery every where in Eritrea? Is it that expensive to bring his remains back to Eritrea and neither the government nor the society can afford it?

The late Dr Osman Mohammed Abubaker, who was Sabbe’s senior aide once said that he personally raised the issue of returning Sabbe’s remains with Isaias Afwerki. He was told that it is the responsibility of Sabbe’s family to bring his remains if they so wished. One would think that the consent of his family is needed; but Sabbe does not belong to his family only, he belongs to the whole of Eritrea.

NB: the above was compiled from an article by “Correnti” that was published by awate.com on Mar 27, 2002 and another piece by Saleh Johar that was published on Sep 24, 2000

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  • Nitricc

    Hi All, i was watching the following interview and the Oromo woman is claiming that Oromo existed as independent state before the Abisinyans annexed the state. I am confused in here, was Oromo Ever existed as independent nation? or am i hearing things not said on the interview? can someone clarify for me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biinZe1Edeo

    • V.F.

      Dear Nitricc (dear my axx),

      Not sure about independent ‘nation’ but Oromya was historically a non-Abyssinian territory until Menelik (yeshewa nugese negest) invaded and annexed it to the Abyssinian Empire after the fall of Yohannes arategna. Wellega, Harrar, etc. most of south and southeastern present day Ethiopia, he invaded as well.

      Now here is a pop quiz for you?

      When did Menelik start invading these territories?

      A. 500 BC
      B. 2010
      C. Late 19th Century
      D. During WWII
      E. In the ice ages.

      P.S. this is not a trick question.

      • Abi

        Answer is F all of the above.

      • Nitricc

        Hi VF, my point is; if what you are telling me is true, since there is Article 39 on Ethiopian constitution; the Oromo people have the right to self determination. i know why your stupid TPLF placed the Article, but it sounds to me that the Oromo can do what The Eritreans did, separate. Although i am against any break up when it comes to Ethiopia. for the best interest of Eritrea is one united Ethiopia. look how many of you want to involve in Ethiopia’s business and there is no war in Eritrea, still people are flaking to Ethiopia; stretching the Ethiopians economy and resources. now, think what will happen if there is to be war and separation among Ethiopians; how many of them do you think will cross the border to get to Eritrea? therefore a strong, peaceful and just Ethiopia is to the best interest of Eritrea.

        • V.F.

          Nitricc, I agree 100%. Instability anywhere in the Horn is not good, more so in the case of Ethiopia. If any strife causes internal conflict and civil war in Ethiopia and say only 2% of the population gets displaced and only 0.5% ends up in Eritrea, that is nearly half a million people. I am a strong proponent of strong, just, peaceful, and prosperous Ethiopia. Of course, my wish for Eritrea is multiplied a hundred fold.

          As far as self-determination goes, the Ethiopian constitution gives Eritrea’s desire for self-determination, full endorsement. The contemporary question should not be self-determination or cessation of Oromo or any other people and it shouldn’t be about making Eritreans justify why they ‘ceded’. It should be how do we get Eritreans and Ethiopians from perennial poverty, conflict, and war.

          • Nitricc

            Hi VF, the first line i read from your replay is that you agreed 100%! Really VF? This tells me that you have no clue with what the root cause of the problem is. The main problem is; there are people like VF who thinks they can get benefit at the expense of the others. point blank; your desire to be united with Ethiopia, more specifically with Tigray is, solely motivated at creating strong Tigrigna speakers to dominate control and squeeze the rest of Ethiopia. this kind of corrupted thinking is what creates, resentment, uprising and ultimately war for breaking up. so, your unfair, adjust and corrupted thinking is the sources of the problems. I urge you to wake up and change the way your thinking is. if not the days of chewing on both sides of your mouth is over and gone. I can not control how the Ethiopians will conduct their affairs but i can tell you that i will make sure; making sure no Eritrean is marginalized or die trying.

          • V.F.

            Dear Nitricc (why I am forced to call you dear, I don’t know):

            In your previous post, you said “now , think what will happen if there is to be war and separation among Ethiopians; how many of them do you think will cross the border to get to Eritrea? therefore a strong, peaceful and just Ethiopia is to the best interest of Eritrea.”

            I replied, I agree 100% with your conclusion. And then you went bananas. I was think you were starting to put that single brain cell to work. I guess not yet. We will hope for 2016 to be transformative for you. Keyet yemeta gegema sewye new yihe.

          • Abi

            HI VF
            ” keyet yemeta gegema …?” Wow! You said this to Nitricc? Save some for Tes.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Mizan, because you are an a-hole and stupid. i told you you can’t agree with me while you are in with joining the Tigryans to loot the people of Ethiopia. it is wrong and evil. how dumb are you not to understand that concept? I didn’t know you can speak Amharic; well if you do, thanks and i am calling you; Ye-Engde lij. you can ask Abi what does it mean. in case you should know you are fooling no one. Stupid. there is no way around exploiting people and you can get away with it. no way!

          • V.F.

            Nitricc, you are an Ethiopian with deep and unhealthy hatred towards TPLF. Whatever they did to you, I would have to assume you deserve it well.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ermias or is it Binyam; i am not the one barking like a dog to be an Ethiopian. why are you keep coming with same bull crap assertions? change it up, are you that dumb? Now, do the right thing go spend some time with your kids instead of opening your big empty mouth in here.
            you must have a very boring life, go get a life.

      • Amde

        Selam VF,

        I like the fact that you are at least putting some time frames out there, but your assertion is incorrect – at best misleading. Today’s Wellega, Shewa, Kefa, Bale etc were part of the Christan kingdom prior to the Gragn wars of the 1500s. The depopulation of those years allowed Oromo-speaking bands from the Borena lowlands to expand out and conquer much of the formerly Christian territories in the West and the Muslim territories in the East. The reason for the Harar walls was to keep the Oromo out – for example. The people these bands conquered themselves became Oromo-ized and part of the succeeding waves of conquerors. By the time of Menelik, Oromos are an integral part of the ruling aristocracy in Shewa, Gonder, Wollo (and I suspect Gojjam as well).

        Sitting at 2015, if your timeline is just 200 years, then yes I suppose it can be said Menelik conquered “virgin” Oromo lands. If your timeline is 400 years, then it is a different story. In any case, Menelik’s campaigns were not an Amhara conquest but a Shewan conquest, with a big part of the officers, administrators, soldiery and settlers (so called neftegnas) being Oromo speaking Shewans.

        Menelik and Shewa were just the Bismarck and Prussia of Ethiopia, that’s all.

        Amde

        • V.F.

          Amde, thank you for the lesson. Actually, I qualified my statement about Menelik as yeshewa nguse negest in anticipation of a rebuttal like yours so I am partly right. I was also implying that Oromos and yedebub hizboch are not strictly Abyssinians. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

          • Abi

            VF
            There was no yeshewa niguse negest. There was a Shoa nigus and an Ethiopian niguse negest.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi; forget the BS in here; what is Lij Alula majoring to? i have a plan employing in Eritrea 10X what Ethiopia is paying him. and will you please extend my congratulations to the fine young man. just tell him nitricc is waiting to get him lol. that what I like being next to your country so I can get best of the best.

          • Abi

            Hi General
            Thanks for the offer. Unfortunately, you have to wait a long, long time until he finishes medical school. Right now it will be Biochemistry.

          • V.F.

            Abi, if you thought I didn’t know this, it’s not my fault. Even shewa is spelled Shoa and Menelik is Menelik II. It was a cheap shot.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    Greetings to all.
    ALL PEOPLES’ MOVEMENTS AND STRUGGLES ARE GUIDED
    BY IDEALS & VALUES OF THE SOCIETY AS MISSION TO WIN THEM
    TO THEIR ULTIMATE GOALS AND ARE NOT GO GETTER HAPHAZARD
    IDEAS OR PRACTICES.
    ==========================================================
    Unfortunately, I do not always agree with the term ” new reality on the ground ”
    rationalization. Every struggle or movement has always a cause, purpose and
    direction. And thus an ideal guided by theory or philosophy to win the objectives.
    Otherwise, if anyone anybody can create a new problem or “new reality” always
    it is only a diversion from the main ideals and objectives of the struggle of the
    people and is back to the mud now and then.
    Thus the ones who will be responsible will be not only those who create the “new
    problem ” but also those who accept or conform to it abandoning their main and
    primary objectives and responsibilities the people delegated it to them. And they
    can not call themselves as part of the movement or struggle while diverted from
    the main public agenda.
    This fact thus put the Eritrean opposition movements in the right direction / pointer
    aligned with the wishes of the Eritrean people and in the right direction of the flow/
    momentum of the struggle than the PFDJ who chose ” Tehatsibkas Nab Chiqa ”
    as its method in the phase of the peoples’ struggle.

  • Sani

    In case you dont know, a calling app called Ringoversea is now so cheap to call Ethiopia and Eritrea. Hope this helps?

  • L.T

    When I account for Osman struggle for Eritrea I have found tow omportant things about him one he was so clever politician and he was an experienced strategist and he keep up with the times always.He was in China in 1967 with five Tegadelti two were Romodan Mahmed Nur and Isaias Afewrqi.China was a cultural revolution and they asked him about one thing before they assist Eritrea and the question was”What do you think about land reform in Eritrea?”he is fast transcendently and if he said no,then they can ban contributions and if he says yes he must do this now.But he told them”Eeritrea is a desert country”.
    the second is when Jebha came to Sudan in 1982,he was fast there and gathered many Jebha Tegadelti to a large hall but when he started talking all got mad at him same of them said”Osman you are a parasite”an older man came up and said “you put us into Arab”one young man explained”you put money in your pocket that comes from Arab to Eritrea”a tegdalit woman came to him with her finger and said”you have a syrian wife”the other complained to him that Osaman has many ferry shipping company.Osman listened to them and he was calm and believ in him and he said”Yes,you are right full,you are right but I’m elso right,you know what?when i came to you and have met with you and talk you give me a warm and loud applouse then I think I’ve always right.Now is good so we can talk about our problem.All is quiet!
    EPLF have sent their grief throug “Sagim magazine”in 1987 after his death”Whatever our differences about politic you were one of us”.

  • AOsman

    Dear Berhe,

    As you pointed out most Ethiopians who left Eritrea after independence were part of DERG, it must have been uncertain time for them and if I was in their shoe I would have left Eritrea to ensure my safety and that of my family. I remember the day of independence in the morning soldiers and police leaving in the morning and EPLF entering Asmara in the afternoon (there was some kind of agreement as it was smooth exit – I read somewhere how EPLF dealt with the army halfway in the path to Ethiopia but don’t know much about it). In Asmara, I saw one soldier killed near Agip, he must have realized too late that his comrade left him behind and tried to fight, a bad decision that costed him his life. Except the environment of celebration, I did not observe mob attack or revenge from the public, EPLF could have taken some actions, but nothing visible to the public. One man in our neighborhood who used to be with Air Force, went to the police handed his pistol and was a free man and did not stay long afterwards.

    Ethiopians from Tigray did not leave Eritrea then, well they were part of the victor until the senseless border war and PFDJ started to play the propaganda of hate to agitate public support for the war. I was not in Eritrea to witness what happened to them, but I know few families from our neighborhood who had to leave, unfortunately they were victims of the situation. The deportation of Eritreans from Ethiopia is another painful event that I see affecting the Ethio-Eritrean people to people relationship.

    In my previous discussion with Abyssinia, my message was to tell him to calm down. We do not need to be fuel to what may cause future war, leaving many to suffer who had nothing to do with the games that we play for fun.

    Regards

    AOsman

  • Abi

    Peace
    I heard the other way round. It is Asmara’s women love Addis’s men. You know how we take care of women.
    Addis is a beautiful city full of life. There was an excellent pastry by cathedral school I used to frequent. I don’t know if it is still there now. Crianzis Pastry. Not far from the Alliance school. If you know what I mean.

    Yasalefnew zemen destan yayenbet
    Temelso bigegn ahun min alebet?
    Don’t you love Tilish?

    • Peace!

      Abi,

      You probably heard that but trust me I was there and had an honor to experience it, and speaking of pastry, I was less than a mile away from Gebretnsae Cake bet, Piasa Arat kilo. Tilish and Mahmud are undisputed all time legends. But I am more into the sneaky ones- Alemayehu Eshete, Mesfin Abebe, Getachew Kassa….

      regards

      • Abi

        Peace
        Gebretinsae cake? Come on now! Don’t be cheap . You like quality cake? Talk about Enrico cake bet not far from you. Good times.

        My all time fav singer is Tewodros Taddese.

        Gize kemestawot endemin yileyal
        Enkuwan yesew fitun jerbawun yasayal. ( Tewodros T.)

        • Nitricc

          Hi Abi there was a well known. Cake place in Adiss that demolished last week. If i am not misteaken this one is not in Piasa.

  • Abi

    Peace
    You can’t believe this. You chose the same song as Kokobe. What a coincidence! A+.
    Ejig beTam Tiru.

    • Peace!

      Hey Abi,

      Really, wow nice!! Well, Kesew Yeteleye enie menawkalew, Kuku sebesbe. That’s my response to your generous feedback.

      Regards

      • Abi

        Peace
        Kesew yeteleye ene minawqalehu
        Sayih des yilegnal silante asbalehu
        Amemegn dekemegn aTahu medhanit
        Fiqrih ashenefegn ….
        Kuku is beautiful.

  • Fnote Selam

    Hi All,

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Just want to reiterate my previous assertion that Saleh Sabbe is the most under-rated Eritrean hero, and hands down my favorite one. Our struggle against pfdj desperately needs more people like him.

    Best wishes,

    FS.

  • Abi

    Hi peace
    Dehna musiqa
    Your grade C
    Reasons 1 late
    2 off topic
    Suggestions: Re-take challenge. Make sure it should be ” selamawi ”
    You need help? Ok. Try Tilahun’s ” selamtaye yidres” .
    Penalty: find the music and invite it to Tes. Show him some quality stuff.
    Thanks. You the best amiche.

  • Abi

    Hi Berhe
    Let me tell you something you never get a chance to know about Ethiopians. Their legendary hospitality. You see the first thing an Ethiopian says is ” ebakwo yigbu. Bet eko leEngda new.” This is what you you didn’t know. Otherwise, you will never, never, never preach hospitality to the ever proud Ethiopians .
    Now, let’s see your argument.
    Imagine you are married to a lady who has adult children of her own. Unfortunately, things didn’t work out as expected . After a bitter divorce fight you lost the battle and let her go. Now , Ayte Berhe, would you allow your former wife and adult children abuse you, steal your property and give it to her new lover while your children are suffering? Would you cover her expenses? Would you believe her when she tells you your house is hers? I have to admit I don’t let abusers . This is not hate, or being greedy. It is a principle. Self comes first, my friend. Self means Ethiopians. Don’t take it personal.

    In those chaotic times, only 20% of Eritreans were deported. Guess who was working day and night to protect the Eritreans in Ethiopia? You guessed it right! The former ELF leader. God! Can you believe this? The former ELF leader, who fought against Ethiopia, was not only allowed to go back to the country he bled , but he was also protecting Eritreans in Ethiopia. It sounds unreal, right? Only in Ethiopia this can happen. You know what happened in Eritrea? You guessed it right again! You kicked the poor people out.
    God bless Ethiopia.
    Berhe, please don’t preach an Ethiopian about hospitality. We are blessed with it.
    PS
    I always wondered as to how the former leader of ELF felt when he went to Ethiopia? RIP .

    • Kokhob Selam

      Abo,

      I will not ask you permission to say my word. you must just say to me ” ebakwo yigbu. Bet eko leEngda new.”. See Abi, we must be able to differentiate poetical cultures of parties and the couture of people. both nations have very similar culture. since, I have an experience of nations trust me they are the same people. Now, you can’t generalize and judge and tell us Ethiopian hospitality is different form Eritrean hospitality. even today if you go to Asmara while PFDJ is there you will see the wonderful culture of Eritrean. in fact you will witness you are in Addis Ababa. People are nice Abo.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Abi,

      I am sure you can handle the truth, why do refuse to answer my question and then you make blanket statement about the deported / left Ethiopian soldiers in Eritrea. Here it’s again.

      “We’re these deported part of the millitry establishment and the regime administration / DERG or they were civilians who worked and lived peacefully ?”

      Here is Jack Nicholson:
      http://youtu.be/9FnO3igOkOk

      I don’t know how many times to say and I don’t know why you keep repeating the same thing again, i make no apology for the blunder of the PFDJ. As a mater of fact I never said / raised anything about the deported Eritreans during the last war. The reason being, the PM has answered it in many occasions and that his government made effort to address it. It’s case close for me. Any remaining issue is case by case and individual issue that needs to take its course, but it’s officially closed. And I hope one day will be a government in Eritrea that will address it and even apologize if necessary to the victims.

      Now to the rest of your reply, I never said that Ethiopians are not hospitable people. All I said was what he may have meant, as in good sprit not as you interpreted it.

      You are assuming that I have never experienced Ethiopian hospitality. I have and I will. You see due to my large family I have blood relatives from Ethiopia that I keep regular contacts with, Oromo, Gurage, Tigray and Amhara.

      I gave never accused any Ethiopian for the wrong doings. All my criticism is with those political elite from the comfort of their home send the poor farmers to fight and die a sense less war to forcefully assimilate people, both Haile Slassie or the DERG. And I am on record stating that the Eritrean people fared better than under the current regime, we suffered for too long and continue to do so today.

      I want you to see separately the Eritrean people and the Isayas government. I want you to see and admit that Eritrean people suffered because of the wrong policy of the DERG or Haile Slassie. And I want you to remember the good neighbors and the generous Eritreans that you know in Ethiopia who have nothing but respect for the Ethiopian people, who showed nothing but loyalty and hard work, to the best of their ability served the people and the country as their own and in the process may have benefited because of their hard work and NOT as you put it, stealing or taking advantage of Ethiopia’s generosity.

      Stop blaming the actions of the PFDJ thugs (who their victims probably were Eritreans living in Addis).

      And to repeat that we are greatful to the hospitality and help in times of our greatest need by hosting our people.

      Berhe

      • Abi

        Berhe
        Are you playing “A Few Good Men “? Really? I can handle any truth. I believe what I saw . What I saw was the truth. The truth is over 100 thousand illegally and inhumanity deported children, young and old man and women civilians and also Ethiopian soldiers. They were all over Addis in a plastic shelters. They were hungry, cold,sick and desperate. They were denied any kind of help by the EPRDF . government.
        Berhe you said ” I don’t make apology for the blunder by pfdj”. And then you asked me to apologize for the crimes committed by derg on Eritreans. Well, what can I say?
        Berhe, since you invited me a nice movie which I watched years ago, I have to pay your ” wuleta ” by inviting you to watch an old movie untitled ” Children of the Lesser God”. It is fitting. Enjoy!
        Case closed.

    • Berhe Y

      Abi,

      One more thing, you said the former ELF leader was protecting Eritreans in Ethiopia. If that happens I am not denying it didn’t happen but the logic does not make sense to me.

      I thought the deportation was conducted by the police and security operatives. And you are saying the ELF were protecting them from the official government forces? This make sense if it was done by the “hospitable public”, but I don’t think that was the case.

      I do know of a case where Eritreans were protected and hidden and in some cases deported but their homes transferred to Ethiopians / wekil and they kept their homes, and in some cases they rented their places and send the money abroad.

      Berhe

  • T..T.

    Hello Hope,

    You asked where I belong to – a killer or a victim. As justice seeker, I would choose to be a victim. What an instigating question by an instigator who always promotes hate of the innocent people.

    You claim to stand on middle ground as an EPDP member. Your middle ground stance is out of hating the Eritrean people. You’re enjoying seeing them in pain. Nitricc et al. are for Isayas, yet they condemn the regime’s infliction of pain on the people. For Nitricc et al., who are taking the side of the regime, are working hard handling their conflicts with the pro-the-people opposition through peaceful means.

    Both, the opposition and the pro-Isayas hate the middle grounders because they are instigators of wars be it internal (civil war) or external (with the neighboring countries). Your friend Alem Goitom shamelessly condemns the opposition for not declaring civil war.

    The middle grounder, Alem Goitom the provocateur, as he puts it loud and clear, the civil war is on and keeps pushing the opposition into crossing the border for a mission by daring them you don’t have calf-muscles to reach Bisha let alone to blow the mines.

    When the opposition said big “NO” to civil war, Hope and Alem Goitom as members of EPDP, they started talking about the opposition going back to its mother’s womb for letting Bisha running without a fight. Hating the opposition’s decision of NO civil war, Hope and Alem Goitem turned to interpreting the opposition’s silence as permission to the UN’s and Ethiopia’s efforts of strangulating Isayas’s world. The opposition responded, it was Isayas’s self-infliction that was getting him into trouble. The opposition, then, added that the Eritrean people were its worries and not Isayas. Again, Hope and Alem Goitom came back through the doors of MEDREKH to celebrate the suggested distancing of the opposition from its friendship with Ethiopia. What Hope and Alem Goitom of EPDP do not know that for every attempt of fracturing the opposition there are ten more eye opening lessons learned about their conspiracy. The opposition, as the result, switched its bet to Hope and Alem Goitom as worse than Isayas in their enmity against the Eritrean people

  • L.T

    I waited many years to Awate.com to write about Osman Saleh sabbe ,and now here he is,it was in 1986 in Frankfurt city and where a new refugee and lives a group home and most were Eritrean and Jebha.Our conversation was about our leadre and one person mentioning Osman saleh sabbe.I was young and told them I know Osman Saleh in 1975 in Adi AwHi a village between Mendefera and AdiQuala.Eveyone looked straight at me and at that moment they said” W H A T?”I said,I and my family was in Seraye after Dergue “Beherawi Tor” killing many people in the Asmera and when we were up in this area we met “Hanti Hyli”lead by Osman Saleh”then all lost their patience but an older said”listening young man Osman saleh has never been in Medda”then sudden I came for a name”No no he’s not Osman Saleh but Said saleh and I told them my main problem is that I do not read,but just write:-)”all laugh but they believe in me.The older said again “Osman saleh is clever and good diplomats for Eritrea and we need him in this front.But after one year the hero diplomat died in Cairo in 1987 of heart attack.
    It was not my fault,becouse both of them named Saleh and in my small Asmera world we thought Asmera only Eritrea and we were never out of Asmera and this was my childhood wrong.
    I am very gratful and all credit to awate.com that they take up that kind of history in this Weyane highly inflated time,Eritrea is notoriosly a unique country that is willing to share its best and I hope all of Ethiopian can be learned from us and that now is the right time they’ll stop to see up to the North and it is incomprehesible that ,for example Ethiopia to think about Asseb and Asseb and Redsea “debate”which is now to be closed forever becouse we have not paid our precious life for half ..half..

  • Kokhob Selam

    ክቡራት ኣሕዋትን ኣሓትን:-

    ንሓቀኛ ናጽነትን ሓርነትን ሰላምን ራህዋን ዝተጋደሉን ዝጋደሉ ዘልው ሰባትን ዝገጥሞም ተጻብኦታት ኣዝዩ ብዙሕ እዩ ::እንሓንሳብ ሓፋሸ ጸረ ጥቅሙ ክለዓልን ኣብ ዘይተደላይ ጎንጺ ክራጸምን :- ካብ ቁጽጽር ወጻእ ንዘይተደላይ መስዋእቲ ክዳረግን :- ግዜን ንዋትን ክኸስርን ይረአ እዩ :: ኣብ መወዳእታ ናይ ቲ ኩሉ ኽሳራታት ጾር ተሸካሚ ህዝብን ህዝብን ጥራይ እዩ ::

    ዑስማን ሳልሕ ሳበ ይኹን ኣሕመድ ናስር ወይ ውን ዑማሮ ይኹን ኤስያስ ኣፍወርቂ ክህልዎም ዝኽእል ታሪኻዊ ኣሉታ ይኹን ኣውንታዊ ግደ ተተንቲኑ ተተታቲኑ ኣብ መወዳእታ መኽሰብን ኽሳራን ሓፋሽ ህዝቢ እዩ:: ብኡ ንብኡ ‘ውን ብውልቃዊ በይኖም ብገበን ዝሕተትሉ ወይ ዝመስገንሉ እዩ ኢለ ኣይኣምንን :: እዚ ዝዓነቱ እምነት ‘ውን ጠቃሚ ኣይኮነን ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ካብ ነቲ ሃገራዊ ቃልሲ ዝብል ኣምር ናብ ውልቃዊ ምቅያር ውን ስለ ዝኾነ::

    ክቡር ዑስማን ሳልሕ ሳበ ብፍጹም ትኽክል ነይሩ ክንብል ውን ኣይንኽእልን ኢና : ብርግጽ ከም ሓደ ብዓል መትከል ንሰውራ ኤርትራ ዘስነቖ ቁጠባ ጭራሽ ሓደ ኳ ካብ መራሕቲ ዝወዳደሮ ከምዘይነበረ ኩሉና ንእመነሉ ጉዳይ እዩ :: እቲ ኣብ ውሽጢ ዓረብ ሃገራት ዘጥረዮ ተቀባልነት ‘ውን ናይ ዚ ጀግና ተበላሕነትን ኣስተብህሎን ዘርእይ እዩ ::ኣብ ቃልሲ ሰውራ ኤርትራ ግን ጥራይ ምስ ጸላኢ ምርብራብን ካብ ወጻኢ ሓገዝ ኣብ ምርካብ ምንጣፍን እኹል ኣይነበረን : ነቶም ኣብ ውሽጢ ምስ ኣባጊዕ ዝተጸንበሩ ተዃሉ ኣጸቢቅካ ምልላዮምን ምጽራዮምን የድሊ ነይሩ እዩ :: ዳሕራይ ዑስማን ሳልሕ ሳበ ብ1976 መእንቲ ስምረት ዝሃቦ ቃል “ንስኹም ድኣ ስመሩ እምበር ውድበይ ብቀጥታ ክጽንበረኩም ድልው እዩ ” ብምባል ነቶም ብህግሓኤ ተላኢኾም ኣብ ውሽጢ ተሓኤ ተሰግሲጎም ዝነበሩ ዑሱባት ከየስተብሃለ ኣብ ቲ ድሕረ ግንባር ብዘይ ሓለዋን ጥርጣረን ሰራዊቱ ምስፋሩ ግርህነቱ እዩ ዘርእየና:: ወረ ካብ መሰረቱስ ንመሪሕነት ህግሓኤ ኣሚኑስ ውሽጣዊ ምሕደራ ንከምብዓል ኤሳያስ ሓዲጉ ንዓመታት እሽርሩ ምባሉ ጌጋ እንድዩ ነይሩ ::

    ናብ ቃልሲ ክትብገስ እንከለኻ ብውሑዱ እቲ ምሳኻ ዝሳተፍ ዝቀበሎም ቃል ኪዳናዊ ስምምዓት ምህላዎም ከተረጋግጽ ኣለካ ::እትጎዓዘሉ ኩሉ ኣሚኑ ዝባረኾ ቅዲ ቅልስ ክህልወካ ኣለዎ – ነዚ ስርዓት ዝከላኸል ኣዝዩ ዱልዱል ነቅ ዘይብል ንሸርሕታት ኣብ ምክትታልን ገበነኛታት ከይጎልበቱ ኣብ ሓዊ ዝጠብስ ቅልጽም ክትውንን ኣለካ ::ኣካይዳ ብዓል ዑስማን ሳልሕ ሳበን መሰልቱን እምበኣር እዚ እዮ ጉድለታቶም- ብቀጻሊ ዘይተመሃርዎ ጉድለታት !

    ስውእ ሳልሕ ያይ (ንዑስማን ሳብ ወኪሉ ናብ ሃገረ ዝኣተወ ተባሂሉ እዩ ዝፍለጥ ) ኣብ ኣብ ርያድ ተራኺበዮ ነይረ :ብሕማምን እርጋንን ተጠቂዑ ብምንባሩን ኣብ ሞንጎ ህግደፋውያን ስለዝቀነየን ነዊሕ ክዕልሎ ኣይከኣልኩን ::እታ ሓንቲ ዕድል ዝረኽብኩላ ግዜ ድማ እቲ ለዋህነትን ግርህነትን እዞም ከምዚኦም ዝኣመሰሉ ጀጋኑ ብቀሊሉ ክዕዘቦ ኽኢለ:: ግን እዚ ውን ነጸብራቕ ባይህርይ ናይ ገለ ክፋል ሕ -ሰብና ምዃኑን ገና ከምዚኦም ዝኣመሰሉ ሰባት ኣብ ውሽጢ ከምዘለውን ክንርዳእ ይግባእ ::

    መሪሕነት ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ኤርትራ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት (እንዳ ሳበ ) ዝውረደቶ መጥቃዕቲ ብፍጹም ቅኑዕ ኣይነበረን ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ነቶም ኣብ ውሽጢ ህግሓኤ ዝነበሩ ተጋደልቲ ‘ውን ጀብሃ ክትሃርመና እያ – ንቀድማ: – ዝዓይነቱ መርገጽ ከምዝወስዱ ገይርዎም ከይከውን የጠራጥረኒ እዩ :: ግን ድሒሩ ንዘስተብህል ጀብሃ ኣንጻር ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት ክትዋጋእ መሪሕነት ህግሓኤ በቲ ሉሉይ ውሽጣዊ ሸርሕታቶም ግደ ነይርዎም ከይከውን ውን ምጥርጣር ጌጋ ኣይኮነን- እቲ ምንታይሲ ጀብሃ ዓባይ ብመሪሕነት ህግሓ ኤን ወያኔን ክትህረም እንከላ ኣብ ውሽጣ ዕግርግርን ዘይምዕሩይ ምሕደራ ኩናት ክህሉ ክሳብ ብደረጃ መሪሕነት ጀብሃ ስልጣን ዝነበሮም ከይተረፈ ትዋፊሮም ይሰርሑ ምንባሮም ስለዝረኣኹ ::

    ኣብ መወዳእታ ግን ካብ ‘ዚ ሕሉፍ ታሪኽ ክንመሃር ጥራይ ኢና ንኽእል :: ሎሚ ኣካል ህዝቢ ዝኾኑ ጀጋኑ ዋናታት ሰውራና ኣብ ስልጣን የልውን:: ናይ’ ዚ ቀኒዲ መደርዒ መረጋገጺ ኸኣ ተገቲሩ ብዘይገለ ሕፍረት ደረቐኛ ኣፍ ልቡ ነፊሑ “ቅዋም ሞይታ እያ” ዝብለና ጉጅለ ኣብ ስልጣን ተወጢሑ ምንባሩ እዩ :: ነዚ ዝዓይነቱ ሸይጣናዊ መሪሕነት ከኣ ብዓል ዑስማንን መሰልቶምን ከልግስዎ ኣይክእሉን እዮም :: እቲ ስርዓት ካብ ሱር መሰረቱ ንሓዋሩ ዝእለ – ጉዱ ተቀሊዑ ዘይዳግም መጽፋዕቲ ምስ ዝወሃቦ ጥራይ እዩ:: እዚ ድማ ብኣጉል ትርጉም ኣልቦ ኣኼባታት ዘይኮነስ :-ሕኸኸኒ ክሓከካ ንዝብሉ ኔው ኢልካ እጅገኻ ሰብሲብካ ብምዕጣቕ ጥራይ እዩ::

    ህግደፍ ክትሓቅቕ እያ !

    ኮኾብ ሰላም

  • Abyssinia

    Hi Hope,
    What is up? chill out bro. No matter what, we are brothers, the children of Adam and Eve (you know I was thinking of a plane where we could be brothers and unfortunately, the safest to say seems Adam and Eve) 🙂 Much love

    • tes

      Dear Abyssinia,

      If you were able to go back to the “Adam and Eve” relationships you could have seen people at humanity level. Unfortunately you see from habeshanism point of view. And this is what they call “Fascism” or “Racism”

      If there is a permit to give a call to Abyssinia I could have called him to see humanity from humanity point of view and respect people’s choice as it exists. And what it exists is that of today (2015) not that of 5thC.

      tes

      • Abi

        Tes, the all time philosopher who walked on the face of earth.
        It is interesting to read your best comment yet where you equate Abeshanism with fascism and racism. I am not surprised since I know the level of your ignorance. What do I expect from a hopeless, drunk , useless cadre.
        Leave my Abeshanism alone. You have no right to insult millions of abeshas from both countries. If you think nobody is defending Abeshas you are wrong. We Abeshas are proud people. Do not belittle us . This also gives the website we love a wrong image. In case you don’t know the owner of this website is beEnatachewum beAbatachewum Abesha nachew.
        Fara

    • tes

      Dear Abyssinia*,

      This is meant to Abi,

      Since Abi is mad at me I will try to be more friendly with him.

      He is understanding that what I replied to you is meant as he is saying. No, I am always happy to see proud people. What I am not happy is when they impose on others what they have as a cultural supremacy. And when they do it is called fascism/Racism.

      Mind you though the point here is linked with imposition.

      Oh

      He is also asking me why I asked Peace! or What made me to ask as I did. Well Peace! knows it exactly. I do not know why Abi is barking there.

      tes

      *as a continuation of proxy-war with Abi.

  • T..T.

    Dis Donc, Kokhob Selam, tes and all,

    Those who were ordered to kill or torture under the superiors’ orders should first recognize that they committed an act of brutality. And, they could not use the superiors’ orders as a viable defense in a court of law. Nor it is easy to say that those who committed illegal acts of brutality could have easily refused to take the command. But yet, why did they take the orders to kill innocents? Let’s see at what this victim is saying about the ongoing crimes. BTW, is there any difference between the EPLF of yesterday and the present PFDJ? To most victims, here is Isayas and there is Isayas and both are Isayas.

    https://youtu.be/T2hCI9uQIVM?t=2991

    According to the victims of Isayas, the EPLF and PFDJ are the same and the commanding superiors are the same, who do not know to evaluate evidences and who are emotionally biased in their decisions. Their unbending quest for misrepresentation of facts as manifested by their absurdity or unreasonableness to take into consideration human dignity when treating the Eritrean people, including all the yesterday’s EPLFs and the present PFDJs be it those who are still in office or who departed Isayas have participated in denying justice as well as in enforcing ignorance, starvation and untold traumas on the Eritrean people. Those innocents have already come forward and apologized to the victims, while the criminals continue to claim that the victims brought on their own fates when they refused to be molded into what they were told to.

    • Peace!

      Dear TT,

      First of all, all Eritreans are victims of Isayas brutality, and as for EPLF, as Saleh Johar eloquently put it that Ghedli ended in 1991 and the people own the legacy. Boom, that’s it! Now, if you are accusing tegadelty for all crimes committed by Isayas and his thugs till this very date, you must be joking. It is you right to hate EPLF, but to accuse people for the crime they didn’t commit is responsible, and it only make things more complicated.

      regards

      • T..T.

        Hi Peace,

        I hope you understand the phrase “here and there Isayas” leading us to believing in that as “all rivers flow into the sea,” so also “all crimes flow into the files of Isayas.”

        Allow me to also say that in the IsayasLand, all those who were at the scene of a crime and who came alive are either the criminals or their accomplices. If lucky to be alive, the accomplices can be witnesses. But only and only if courageous enough, one can become a witness. And, if one has opinion about what went wrong, can write and write. Oops, one more, we should know that if one was a victim of some kind of a crime; her/his silence will not protect the criminal.

        • Solomon Haile

          Dear TT,

          I am feeling as if I have reached the 52nd parallel. (I would rather be at the sixtieth parallel fishing for Sokeye Salmon.)
          1. You are aware of discrediting your potential witnesses for the crimes to yet to be charged. There is also conflict of interest if former civil servants and government officials with ambition and desire for power to stear their people and themselves into the right direction per their empirical knowledge. You miserably failed at the rule of law and weighing all variables when you asked is there a difference between…. Depending on which hat you are wearing the answers is always obvious.
          No disagreement on constotitutional rule of law jargon. In retirement go fishing in cooler waters.
          tSAtSE

    • tes

      Dear TT.,

      If apology was enough everyone could have come and apologized. But lets remember that crime does not end with apology. Rule of law has its own procedure. Those who apologize could be pardoned by the victimized family. However law sees things from rule of law point of view. Unfortunately we do have neither the law nor the rule of law.

      I don’t know therefore which one should come first. Apology or rule of law.

      I have my own opinion but seen people asking an apology first is somehow worrisome.

      tes

      • T..T.

        Dear tes,

        Although all order-takers are guilty of not defending their victims and although each individual is accountable for own actions, some innocent ex-superiors do not deny that crimes were and are committed. Deep in their hearts, they know they are innocents and yet they apologize to all victims of the regime and for all lost lives caused by their ex-comrades.

        We all know that in the absence of a constitutionally-based justice system, the criminals will remain walking-free until a constitutional court tries and convicts them with evidence beyond any reasonable doubt. For that, we need witnesses. Without court and witnesses, the criminals are seen presuming innocence but the regime knows they are guilty and yet protects them because it (the regime) is blackmailing them into more crimes.

        • tes

          Dear T..T.,

          I understand that one of the best and historical apology done so far (even it can be at world historical level) is by our late father Wedi Vacaro. He was such a wise man who did all he can interms of economical empowerment and finally came and apologized the people for working with the regime that he never expected as it is running the country today. If there is purity of sin Wedi Vacaro is pure now. And he is lucky, he left this world soon after his apology and confession. What better gift else can have rather than confessing and apologizing in front of the public. More than that he called the people to unite and fight for the faults he believed it was wrong. Very wise man!

          Coming to your point:

          There are two levels of apologies which are pending. One collective apology and second individual apology. Many freedom fighters (those who were in the decision making rank) believe that once they start to oppose the regime they worked with, they understand that it is an apology, a kind of collective apology. But the second level (at individual level) is very hard for them to say it.

          Ok when I say hard, there are questions that will be asked by the family of victims. Especially f there are known and justifiable facts these individuals will not be pardoned easily though at national level they their apology might be accepted.

          The second point is: when you apologize, you can not come again in the forefront and be a leader. What you be and it is in reality is to be an elder who advices and gives moral support. The one who apologizes can attend every Eritrean meetings and tell not to repeat the same mistake. Just like an elder.

          But what we see today is different. Very few are trying to be like elders (and those who do they try to prove that they innocent) and compete as political leaders. This is insanity and foolishness at most.

          Dear T..T.,

          I really appreciate Mahmud Saleh, Kokhob Selam, and likes. These people are acting as elders and are giving us their valuable advice and perspectives while not hesitating to put their opinions by exposing the mistakes that they believe was done in their respective institutions.

          And see people like Professor Bereket, a very humble man. He didn’t even hide the mistakes that he believed was done and yet he is always advising us not to stop for justice. A true elder father.

          Dear T..T.,

          I say it could be a blessing if people like Ambassador Andebrhan, Dr. Asefaw and others help the justice seeking young generation through their knowledge and providing financial support through lines that can be able to secure. It is unfortunate however they didn’t want to act like elders and fathers. They wanted to play with the money and yet they have a pending historical mistakes that need to be addressed with public and private apologies.

          The subject of apology is very complex anyway. I hope one day we will understand it and say it for those who really are expecting it. Only then we can build a family oriented opposition camp.

          tes

          • T..T.

            Dear tes,

            We all understand that pardoning of a well known criminal by a victim or a victim’s family members may embolden other criminals of Isayas in furthering their crimes against our people. Although the final say in pardoning is for the victim, most justice seekers are now calling for Justice First, Pardon (mercy) Second to anyone who is found guilty of a crime.

            Indeed, those who used naked force should be met by naked truth. Because out there are many criminals who in their adventure of appeasing Isayas killed and killed many innocent people in order to silence the majority, now their pleading for public mercy may not be that easy. And such No-Mercy is leaving the criminals with only coming face to face with death threats by the victims’ family members. So also the demand for only “Voice of Justice” represents the Voiceless-Victims has been echoing higher lately endorsing that of UN endeavors. On the other hand, if more pardoning will invite more crimes, then No-Mercy to criminals will be the call of all Eritreans thereby putting a total halt to pardoning and asking for justice to be served by either rotting the criminals in prison for life or putting them to guillotine.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Tes
        I think they are lucky enough still since PFDJ that was the result of their mistake is still there. means there is a lot of job to be done and being part of real opposition in itself is a reconciliation in practice and simply taken as apologizing . at the end of the day, everything done is the result and even the individual is also the result on how he was brought up. so the society in large is responsible. But what we are witnessing is those individuals are not accepting that they have done mistakes. some are even trying to create some type of political group and are presenting themselves as they are representatives of the struggle. one at the edge of 60’s should be honest like Wedi Vacaro and say the truth.

        ኣንታ ኩሉ ይትረፈና ኣፎም ሒዞም ትም እንተዝብሉስ መዓስ ጸሊእና::

  • tes

    Dear Hope,

    I will get you back soon. I am just trying to give you time and think twice for what you are vomiting here just to please your junta from Asmara whom you are blind to differentiate him from the castrated GoE.

    tes

  • Dis Donc

    Hello Abysiania,
    In fact that is what I am driving at. Every country in the world has a colonized history to tell. Eritrea is not unique in that regard. So why do Ethiopians do get offended when Eritreans want to stick to their fabricated or not history. It is in their interest to express their desire. That shows a lack of respect from the Ethiopians. I mean most of Ethiopian neighbors are a result of colonization. Why take an exception to Eritrea alone.

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Dis Donc,
      I think Eritrea is unique in at least two ways:
      1) it is the only country that consciously disowns, disregards and disrespects its long history in favor of a colonial identity and narrative
      2) Number 1 happens to conflict with Ethiopia’s identity, history and pride.

      When it comes to Ethiopia, Eritrea is not and can never be like Kenya. Kenya can go whichever way it wants, and it does not hurt Ethiopia for there was no shared history. When Eritrea disrespects its past (its history), Ethiopia feels disrespected too. Eritrea’s colonial-inspired narrative and statehood requires the deconstruction of Eritrea’s past (which sets it against Ethiopia for that history is Ethiopian too). So there lies the reason for all the problems.

      All I am saying is seeing Ethio-Eritrea relations as any other relation between Ethiopia and colonial country (say Ethiopia and Kenya) is wrong, shallow and simplistic. It is much more deeper because 1) a shared history which happens to be the kernel of Ethiopian identity and 2) Eritrea’s colonial narratives and statehood actively works to deconstruct that identity. Ethio-Eritrea relation is more like when your sister engages in prostitution, the whole family’s dignity and pride is undermined.

      • Dis Donc

        Abysinia,
        All I can tell you is that, you still have grudges about Eritrea. That is like a cancer, eating your inside. Well, Eritreans chose whatever they want, and Ethiopia is doing just fine. I don´t know where you stand. It is rather a pedantic view, if you ask me.

        • Abyssinia

          Hi Dis Donc,
          It is just that I hoped you might be interested in a little bit deeper conversation. Alas! The usual disappointing, defensive, emotional shrugging off, an appeal to emotion. There is a difference between diagnosing a situation objectively and grudges. Read and ponder about the ideas, not about me.

          • Dis Donc

            Abysinia,
            you seem to lack respect for others whatever their choices are. That tell me that you haven´t grasped democracy and its true meaning. Tell me, are also angry at those diaspora Ethiopian who suffered to obtain another citizenship? Aren´t they disrespecting your glorious history to become something that they are not? Your hate for Eritreans is boundless and very sad to observe.

          • tes

            Dear Dis Donc,

            You are a cool person like that of AOsman. If you ask me who falls on the “these are the cool people” here in Awate Forum”,

            Fanti Ghana i ranked first, always (lots of respect) –
            AOsman – for sure second

            And you seem to fall in the pool.

            Nevertheless do not get disappointed at Abyssinia. His nickname tells everything. Just expose his shallowness and injustices of disrespecting other people’s choice.

            I am sure you are capable of doing it as you are doing with Abi.

            tes

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,

            Can you, for once, talk about ideas? You seem to think democracy is the end of human existence. That is a wrong conception. Democracy is a means.

            “are also angry at those diaspora Ethiopian who suffered to obtain another citizenship? Aren´t they disrespecting your glorious history to become something that they are not?”. I gave up here. Your understanding of history, identity, state and politics is shaky at best. Thank you for the conversation,

          • Dis Donc

            Abysinia,
            Well, I talk of democratic ideas and you are trying to subjugate me in thnigs I don´t want. This is why I chose to go separate ways. Am I getting to you at all?? And if you don´t like it and want to do it the way you did it in the past, well you are declaring war of subjugation. This is one thing you , ethiopians, do not understand.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,

            Let’s rewind a bit. You asked “So why so much hate against Eritreans for wanting to go separate ways?” and I put forth a hypothesis, i.e, that, roughly speaking, it has to do 1) with shared history 2) Eritrea’s rejection of the shared history, and 3) Ethiopia feeling indignity and loss of pride in the rejection. Now, this is a hypothesis. the hypothesis is mine, but it is not about me. Now, you might not like (agree with) this hypothesis. Do you then have an alternative hypothesis?

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abysinia,
            yes I do have an alternative idea:
            1. I respect your history whether shared or not but we can still live peacefully without being one country. You are insisting that we have to be one. I am also within my right to chose not be part of it.
            2. Not every ethnics share your history and they can chose to ignore it. Eritrea is within her right to not to be part of your history.
            3. Ethiopians can blame their leaders for the loss, not Eritreans. We did not choose war and final anexation. You have to understand the antithesis of the Eritrean demand. From the beginning to the end. You never wanted us any time in history, not even when Aman Andom was in charge.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,
            This is not a hypothesis. This is a personal manifesto. Apparently, we do not understand each other. If you ask the why question, you need to explain why, put forth a hypothesis. What you are, instead, doing is prescribing what we should do.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abysinia,
            we do not even see eye to eye and that is why we have to go separate ways!! Outside of this is pure slavery. We can only live side by side if we respect each other. If you are forcing me to accept and to be a part of your identity then we are going back to old ways. That took us no where except blood shed. How about if we try democracy and respect for each other now.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,
            Please abstract a bit away. I am not forcing you. It is not about me. I am simply trying to provide explanation for the underlying reasons for the ‘hate’ (not my word). Let me simplify it. You wondered why so much ‘hate’ from Ethiopians to Eritreans. Why do you think they ‘hate’ Eritreans?

          • Dis Donc

            Dear abysinia,
            I am telling you that it is a shallow and pedantic hate founded on nothing but without reason. That was why we went to war. We never wanted none of it.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,
            That is a very groundbreaking explanation, hypothesis. 😉 Thank you for the engagement.

          • Dis Donc

            Same here!

          • tes

            Dear Abyssinia,

            I differ from you when you say, “Democracy is a means” while disagreeing with Dis Donc.

            Democracy is a life by itself.

            When you describe democracy as a means it implies democracy has an end when the thing you expected is achieved.

            I rather say, “democracy is life”. Democracy is the way without end. You start democracy but you never end it.

            Learn some wisdom

            tes

      • tes

        Dear Abyssinia,

        Ok since your nickname indicates your views I won’t just conspire. Lets talk on the Ethio-Somali historical grievances. Big chunk of today’s Ethiopia is of Somali land, the Ogaden. Can Ethiopia by all means disclaim that Ogaden is not hers?

        Remember presence of strong and united Somalian people is a threat to current Ethnic based configuration of Ethiopia.

        tes

      • AOsman

        Dear Abyssinia,

        What percentage of Ethiopians are Habesha or to widen the pool “feel” they are Habesha. It is a geniune question as I think your issue is revolves around Habesha History and that Eritreans that you have in mind do not believe/reject they are Habesha.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Abyssinia

          Hi AOsman,
          I do not know the percentage, nor do I believe it has any relevance for what I am driving at. I do want to clarify one thing though. When I talk of Eritrea, I have in mind highland Eritrea. I am sorry, but to me the rest of Eritrea is inconsequential. And when I talk about Ethiopia, I mean the dominant Ethiopian narrative whose core is the Axumite civilization. If this helps, you can also think of it as Northern Ethiopia, it does not make any change.

          • tes

            Dear Abussinia,

            Haha, we are not in the 5th Century.

            Dammit,

            Today is 27/12/2015.

            tes

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Tes,
            Knowing your capacity is wisdom. Just sit down and learn, if you can.

          • tes

            Dear Abyssinia,

            PFDj said the same you are saying and some naïve people waited and are waiting more than 20 years. I won’t wait somehow to teach me about 5th C history and ordering me to deny my current history.

            I will better teach you about what “Today” is for you.

            Just stay around, we will teach you great wisdom coming from different angles.

            tes

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            Thank you for your honest response. You are more in tune with the old Tigray-Tigrigni projects that people have moved on from. As much as you complain about Eritrea, I see you running away from the reality in Ethiopia. So much of its History is not yours, you need to reconcile with that first to make any dent with that of Eritrea.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman,

            The dominant Ethiopian narrative is not about Tigray-Tigrigna, which was by the way an Eritrean idea, no one took it seriously on the South side. The dominant narrative is much of Ethiopia that spans Tigray, Amhara, Guraghe, and a large section of the Oromia). Second, no one is running away from anything. Third I am used to evasive tactics such as “do this first and then this recommendations”. In case you need to be reminded, the issue we are talking about is why Ethiopians are not done (why they ‘hate’ , to use Dis Donc’s phrase) Eritrea. And I am sure the answer to it can not be “you need to reconcile with that first to make any dent with that of Eritrea.”. That is just nonsense.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            For your information, old Ethiopia is not current Ethiopia (Abi don’t ask me to dig the reference – Burhan Ali: awate.com). The Sudanese should reclaim their old name and we can call East Africa as Eritrea.

            To the serious point: I don’t think Ethiopians hate Eritreans nor Eritreans hate Ethiopians. Some of you focus too much on this issue based on what is being fed by a small group online, while the reality on the ground is much different. I find those who poke their noses in their neighbors affair more than they do in their country as the dangerous elements, both nations have suffered in the past and we just need to be careful from giving such people oxygen to incite more wars in the future.

            Abysinnia is a nice nick and Axum Civilization is History :). The people across the border will remain brothers, neighbors and one community once they are left to live in peace. As long as we don’t shove things in people’s throat and we let things to take their natural course, your dream of reintegrating with Eritrea (or part) is not a problem, actually we should dream bigger. For now just drop the ideological drive as you will hit the wall soon once you meet an opposite one with similar vigor and will be disappointed when your effort goes to vain.

            100 years from now the configuration in the region will change Eritrea or Ethiopia as we know them now will change. As long as it serves both people I would not care if *Eritrea 😉 covers from Sudan to Somalia.

            *OK Ethiopia to make you happy

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman,

            How I wish you stop giving unwanted, unnecessary advice. Nobody needs cheap advice, much less I. Personally, I have hunger for stimulating deep conversation. If you are interested in that, come join me. I made it clear that I do not think there is hate (I was using Dis donc’s ‘hate’ within quotes to indicate that I do not believe there is ‘hate’). So you got it wrong big time. The problem statement is that Ethiopians have not let go of Eritrea (not done with it, to use my previous phrase). And I put forth a hypothesis. Now, two things: 1) Do you believe Ethiopians have let go of Eritrea? If your answer is yes, we are done. If your answer is no, then what do you think the reason is for them to not let go of it?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abyssinia,

            I think deep discussion is fine, but “experiment thought, as you call it the destruction of Asmara so we can erase our linkage to colonial Italy ” that would lead to decisions of war mongering and mass destruction. I am sure AOsman would be able to answer to you, but to be fair those are questions needs to be asked to an Ethiopian. As an Eritrean how ever, the second question disturb me and if it’s “Ethiopia is not done with Eritrea as you put it” the only way the Ethiopia can get it done is, either by force or by dividing the Eritrean people and country.

            I think we Eritreans have to do a lot of preparation not neutralize this threat, because the results of it, no mater which way one will look it out, it will be he lose of lives of Eritrean people and the destructions of our countries. It will happen in our land and we will pay the heavy price (people like Abi never admit that those Ethiopian rules were destroying towns, cities and lively hood of the Eritrean people with their military adventures.

            The Ethiopians/ Abissinians have to come to terms with the existence of an independent nation called Eritrea, that it exist today and it will continue to exist tomorrow, unless it’s destroyed by its own sons and daughters, but will never be by Ethiopia or any other power. For all I know, Isayas Afeworki is a double agent of Ethiopia and he is there to make sure this happened. It’s interesting the former US ambassador David Shin said this in one of his recent panel, he said, I am paraphrasing:

            “In a few occassions, prime minister Melles Zenawi told him that, Eritrea and Ethiopia will be united again. He said this not only once but few times, and he never gave any reason Why or How, but he said it few times. We didn’t understand what he meant and we didn’t understand how it will be possible that will happen”. I think it’s something we need to take seriesly, specially if it means that it will happen by force that we need to be prepared and make the “threat” disappear diplomatically.

            Our government is such a fool and it has put us in this situation that we are today. But all we need is a government committed to the betterment of its people, at peace with it self and its neighbours that mind its own business.

            Eritrea should be open to co-operations of mutual benefit such as in economy or other means, peaceful co-existance of the people as two neighbours should be and the best wishes for the Ethiopian people prespourity.

            The rest Ethiopian/Abisinian threat, should be challenged by a good diplomat with out shading a single blood and loss of soul.

            Let me give you an example:

            1) how does Ethiopia would come to terms with the African Union that it claims to uphold it’s principle

            2) how does Ethiopia come to terms with the Security Council and the United Nations that it signed the treaty

            3) can we name a single country that is made to disappear from the face of the earth since the creation of the United Nation, unless it’s done by the choice / conflict of its own people.

            4) Eritrea if it plays its role carefully and diplomatically it can gain the trust / support of bigger and powerful nations (such as the US and China) for their self national interest and mutual benefit.
            Simply put the US needs a stable country and a base in the region. China needs a gateway to Africa for its long term development plans. In terms of the US demands, it’s very simple, release political prisoners, change the human rights situation etc, in terms of China, it will follow when the US is in (not to be left out).
            At the same time, Eritrean needs to seek diplomacy and membership with important buddies that can support it diplomatically and benefit it economically. Some examples:

            Arab League:
            Eritrea should apply for full membership of the Arab league. It will have the diplomatic support at the UN and other world bodies.

            Common Wealth
            Eritrea should also be member of the common wealth and get the diplomatic and economic advantage and support.

            5) I say this not that we want others to shoulder our responsibility and protect us, but we know the war mongers will not stop short their adventures forgetting recent past history where both the DERG and Haile Slassie empire was buried because their war ventures in Eritrea. But in the process they destroyed our countries and our people and we should not let them do that any more.

            We can read and understand the economic miracle Ethiopia and other countries in Africa are achieving. We know the amount of money China is investing in Ethiopia, we know how much development aid Ethiopia is getting from the EU, the U.K., the US, Canada.

            We know our strategic position and we know how we can make it attractive place of investment, to do business or tourism for the world. Now this is not to compete with Ethiopia but rather to secure a future for out people, we have won the military war and now we need to win the diplomatic war.

            What’s is this non sense that, their “feelings is hurt” because we are not claiming our ancient history and heritage and they are “insulted”. This is a bogus claim they make and I don’t know where they can find an evidence to supported it. Sure there is ventures Ghedli did that I personally do not agree with “the social experiment” but it’s NOT because of the “colonial past”, non of those “Gedli” members have any direct experience with the colonial past. They did that, as most of the educated class were doing back in the 60s and 70s. Nothing different that the leader is TPLF were experimenting with Albanian based socialism. The difference is Melles and company understood and abandand it, while Isayas and company continued to follow Moe’s china until today.

            Every Eritrean is proud of its heritage and its history. For example, you are using the Habesha and you are making a claim that we are denying our history etc. Let me give you simple example of the Orthodox Church. The Italians stayed 60 years and the managed to convert a very small number of people to Catholicism from Orthodox. Wouldn’t this be one big example that the habesha are proud of our history and identity. Compared to Ethiopian orthodox, do you see any significant difference? As far as being asmarino or influanced by Italians, I think that comes with few development and exposure. All you have to do is look at Addis Abeba today and ask your self if you see anything, culturally that resemble the “habesha culture” that you are claiming we have abandaned. I even heard, there are children who are born and being raised in Addis who do NOT speak Amharic but instead of English.

            If it bothers you that we celebrate our armed struggle and its achievements, sorry we hurt your feelings, but that’s the least that we should do.

            Berhe

          • tes

            Dear Berhe Y.,

            This piece (better to call it an article – I think AT has stopped harvesting) to wisely and diplomatically discuss with those who deny reality and political dynamics.

            Thank you

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            I read your hateta beginning to end. I have some questions if you don’to Mind answering

            1 how is it possible for Eritrea to join arab league without being an arab country?
            2 how is it possible for Eritrea to be member of the commonwealth since it had never been colonized by Great Britain? Please enlighten me.
            3 is it also possible to be member of EU?
            4 is Eritrea member of African Union?

            BTW, Ethiopians are done with Eritrea. Don’t panic. You seem to know more about Ethiopia and Ethiopians. You should have known that only older people know about the new country to our north. Relax my friend, relax. Teregaga.

            Wend lij tamo enji ferto aymotim!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            Personally the value of comon wealth apply to me (that is value of democracy, human rights, human dignity) rather than the Arab league, as I see it it has a lot more work to do for the citizens of those nations to value of human dignity.

            It may not be possible to join both but as a country we need to build and strength our diplomacy so that we don’t have to pay with our lives for some crazy adventure people from the south seem never to give rest.

            “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting”. Sun Tsu

            To answer your question.

            1) Somalia is member of the Arab league. Eritrea has Arabic as official language (after this gov is gone).

            2) Eritrea may not have direct link to the British as a colony but it was under British rule for 10 years. Having said that there are two example, Mozambique who joined in 1991 I think and Ruwanda recently in 2009, who both did not have direct link.

            3) EU I don’t know but I don’t think so. I know your question is sarcastic.

            4) yes it’s member of AU.

            It’s not being afraid but rather to avoid destruction from happening.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Ayte Berhe
            Thank you for the info.
            I think Arabic is already the official language of Eritrea. You are one step closer to be a member of the Arab league. ( if language is a requirement)
            May your wishes come true.
            I heard majority of Eritreans are Abeshas. If this is true, do you think they are going to agree if their country becomes member of the arab league . I wish an Eritrean Abesha argue this case with you instead of an Ethiopian. I don’t want the Abesha bashing Tes come swinging his sword.
            Anyway, don’t worry about the crazies from the south. They have their own problems to sort out.
            Ayzoh atfra yene wendim. Abesha eko libe dendana new.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            You are very welcome. Again it’s not a matter of afraid or not but to have the diplomatic muscle to avoid any crazy venture. I will give you an example. If it was not for the alliance of the French, I think Ethiopia would make some claim, after all it has the same or more connections with people of Dgibiuti. At the same time, crazy Isayas Afeworki would have invaded them if he was not afraid of the consequence of France and Ethiopia. When war with Eritrea broke out, Djibouti called special session of the security council and passed resolutions almost same day and gone further to put sanctions. That’s what I am talking about rather.

            On the other hand I am really for the benefit of both people to cooperate and work for better future. You say Eritreans said “Eritrea yeglachen, Ethiopia yehulachin”, I don’t know where you got that but it was ever for an average Eritrea. We use to hear the King allegedly said “Eritrea mereta enji hizbwa aysfelighenim”, “Eritrea we don’t need the people but rather the land”. I don’t believe he would say that but that’s the kind of propaganda we use to hear growing up.

            As to being member of the Arab league, it doesn’t mean we will be converted to Arabs. Far from it, as per Wikipedia:

            “The League’s main goal is to “draw closer the relations between member States and co-ordinate collaboration between them, to safeguard their independence and sovereignty, and to consider in a general way the affairs and interests of the Arab countries”.

            BTW, Eritrea is an observer already.

            I am also not suggesting joining other African initiative such as IGAD, COMOSSA or what ever, my point is we Eritreans will have our work cut for us.

            Like I said my preference would be the common wealth:

            1) may be I lived in a country which is member that I cone to favour.
            2) I don’t like reinventing the w

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            Do you believe the extremely shroud King said that? He was too smart to say that. You expect that kind of arrogance from Mengist and Isayas.
            Now to the ” Eritrea yeglachin, Ethiopia yegarachin ” slogan. Did you read Vet Mahmud ‘s comment to Dis the other day? He said ” Eritreans thought Ethiopia was their second country “. He said this knowing full well that Ethiopians who lived in Eritrea have already been inhumanly kicked out of Eritrea. Think about it. Why a sane person thinks that he can share others country while he is not willing to share his? Eritreans were dancing 24/7 in Ethiopia , they were involved in every kind of illegal activities including kidnapping and killing in the middle of Addis. A restaurant owner on bole road was taken by Eritreans from his restaurant and made disappeared. Don’t get me started on the shameful activities of your disgraceful embassy. It was ground zero of money laundering. What about Eritreans businesses suffocating Ethiopians businesses? Need I say more? Come on Berhe. You know everything.
            Yes, you thought Ethiopia was yours. No sir. In case you don’t know, these are some of the reasons that sent us to war.
            BTW, I care less if Eritrea joins Arab league, commonwealth, EU, USA, USSR, NATO, WARSOW, East Germany, Yougozlavia, Mars, Saturn, moon anything and everything imaginable. I care less if you use Arabic, Amharic, sign language. I care less if you want to be Abesha, Arab, ferenje, Italian , Singapore . I care less if you are Cristian, Muslim, pagan. I don’t support, I don’t oppose.
            It is all goooood. Case closed.

          • Dear Berhe Y,
            The so called Ethiopian/Abyssinian threat has lingered far too long in the politics of the Eritrean regime that it does not serve any major purpose anymore, only that it is part of the propaganda slogan of the PFDJ, to frighten and terrorize the Eritrean people. Ethiopia will go to war ONLY if provoked, and she has said so, so many times that it has become boring. Ethiopia is praying that the Eritrean regime will not make another foolish move in provoking Ethiopia that will stall her fight against
            poverty.

            Such talk by PMMZ that “Eritrea and Ethiopia will be united again”, is among the secretes that only TPLF and EPLF know, and it will remain a secrete. Today any marriage between the two, wishful or “forced” is condemned to fail and should be avoided by all means possible. This is what the majority of Ethiopians believe. Therefore, Eritrean independence is in the hands of Eritrean, to do anything they like with it; although it does not seem that they are handling it in the best possible way, at least up to now.

            Joining the Arab League and the common wealth (I do not understand this) is Eritrea’s right, if you still find them attractive partners; but when you sleep with those who want your blood and internal organs, you better be careful. What is so attractive about the Arab League for a country that is not Arab and its population is 50% Christian? Shouldn’t it be neutral? The simple answer is their oil money. Just look what is happening with the price of oil? It is below $40 in the middle of
            winter, when heating homes etc. would usually shoot the prices to the sky. The US
            has decided for the first time since the 1970s to sell crude oil to the world. Climate
            change is forcing the world to use less fossil fuel. Clean power technology is
            being investigated to be used in the immediate future. So, the economy of these
            oil-rich Arab nations is already becoming shaky, and these oil giants are
            standing on fragile legs.

            Now, as much ancient history or being Habesha is concerned, it is up to everybody to take it or leave it. History is not going to change, and nobody is going to be saved or lost by accepting or denying it. It is a matter of choice and belonging, which nobody has the right to force upon anybody. It is said that 85% of Eritreans and 45% of Ethiopians are Habeshas (a term given to us most probably by the Arabs). So what? Should someone be happy or unhappy about it?

            If the parents of Addis children do not want their children to learn Amharic, it shows nothing else but there ignorance and narrow tribalism. Who would be losers in the end, in a country that uses Amharic as an official language? There own children, of course. This is a third world politics, destined to fail.

            Finally, the main confrontation of both countries is no more in the battle fields, but on the social, economic and political fronts. The Ethiopian military power will play a
            deterrent and peace keeping role and nothing else. Whoever develops its economy is going to win the game; and everything will come with it, be it peace,
            democracy and everything else. Why is Europe so peaceful, even Asia? It is the
            result of their economic development. If Ethiopians and Eritreans are infatuated with living in poverty for the sake of politics, then one feels defeated and is forced to say, may be it is a problem encoded in their genes, and simply, they cannot help it.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I agree to everything you said and my point is, if I understood Abissinia who was asking there are Ethiopia’s who are not done with Eritrea. We have also constantly hear, we are denying our Habesha identity, we are this or that because of our colonial past, which means to me is to wage war and destruction on Eritrean people.

            So naturally we have to find a diplomatic / strategic plan to also go hand in hand with our peaceful wishful thinking that most Eritreans in the opposition think. That is we should not take anything for granted and that we should try our best to widen our reach and create diplomatic relationship with as many nations as possible.

            Now if you create a league or an alliance called Habesha League, I also would say and advice Eritrea should join as well. By the way the Eritrean and Ethiopian Orthodox church are part of the Oriental Orthodox communion.

            All this would force our political leaders to seek diplomatic solution and it will give them diplomatic forum where they can raise our national interests.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            You have to feel sorry for Berhe Wedi Asmarino if he is paranoid. You have to understand where he is coming from. He grew up listening to all terror stories where the Amaras ( Amhara =Ethiopia) eat people, demolished cities, raped women…. Now 25 years after independence he still worries the man eating Ethiopians will come back to finish him off. He thinks IA is working for Ethiopia. He is brainwashed by the likes of chief cadre Tes, who proudly tell as Abeshanism is fascism and racism. That is why he is applying to every kind of league to avoid the Abeshas. I tried to comfort him but I failed miserably. I don’t understand why a seemingly smart person fall for cheap propaganda. I can’t imagine what a farmer from mendefera thinks.
            It is important to have good cooperation with every and all countries Eritrea chooses. However, none of these countries come to her defense if Eritrea goes to war against any country.
            I feel sorry for him.

            There is a bright side to his paranoia. Chief cadre Tes came to approve his massage. He even wanted Berhe’s comment to appear on the front page. He will send a copy to Asmara . He encouraged the major newspapers to put this earth shattering comment on their front pages. I heard the president is going to talk about it in the upcoming presidential brief for the new year.
            Happy New Year.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I was checking out Awate and some Ethiopian websites for discussions or comments about the Isayas’s recent visit to Saudi Arabia and holding hands with their King.
            .
            I thought it was a major change in the variable of the equation of the region, when they announced their intentions. They only tell us what they wanted us to know and that is the rich gulf Arabs and Saudi Arabia are going to lease the port of Asab for military purposes for operations in Yemen. Fair enough.
            .
            One can add a lot of variable aspects to this agreement. One comes to mind under the circumstances, that the identified Arab nations would use their sophisticated air power and bombs to implement their will. They have President Isayas to provide the needed sacrificial ground forces for a win win solutions to their respective needs.
            Money and flattery is no object to the Arabs and good and expendable soldiers is no object to the President. He might even take the initiative when money, prestige, pock Ethiopia in the eye, keep the military busy, have important people call him as a relevant leader in the area, all come in one package.
            .
            Within few years from the lessons learned extending the relationship in many areas of conflict including Syria or wherever they feel the need they have some one to call. THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
            .
            Here is an event taking place in front of our noses that has a significant unpredictable changes for the area and we always want to talk about historical dates and what it means to be Habesha.
            .
            Maybe it is in our gene encoding. Maybe there are numerous articles I have not retrieved and read about this matter written by educated and reasonable people. I certainly don’t recall reading analysis or comment on this web site or the ones I browse.
            .
            Mr. K.H
            .

          • Dear Kim Hanna,
            DIA has always put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. He might have seen the cheese but not the trap. A small country meddling in big nations’ power-politics could find it catastrophic at the end. DIA could envision gaining relevance and some economic benefits, but his past record shows that at the end he usually screws everything.
            We live in a complicated world and at very difficult times. We must be aware of the forces that are confronting each other: Sunnis vs Shias, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States vs Iran, ISIS and Al Qaed vs the West and Arab royal dynasties, Islam vs Christianity etc..
            As much as our region is concerned, many powers have stakes in the Red Sea waterway for economic and political reasons, and it has already attracted many nations to the area. Therefore, one should play one’s cards very carefully and always right, especially when small and weak. In addition, Eritreans should not allow their soldiers to die for the sake of Saudis and Gulf Arab nations, because of an irresponsible dictator and for a cause that is not their own.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kim how the hack are you? well, i do agree the most what you have to say; however, i disagreed when you lamented the following one ……

            ” He might even take the initiative when money, prestige, pock Ethiopia in the eye, keep the military busy, have important people call him as a relevant leader in the area, all come in one package”

            No sir, he played your stupid leaders to the brim. I give you Melles Zenawi played him in placing the sanction and the exodus of the Eritrean youth but lately the Eritrean president is coming back with heavy punches. like you have tried to say, he is back. one more point i want to stress to your stupid leaders is, please take Eritrea out of the equation before it is too late; for your showdown with the Arabs and particularly with Egypt. Egypt will do everything for Eritrea to turn Eritrea against you.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            You see, you consider it important, game changer. Why then only Nitricc and Kim are talking about it, when there are gabs of political PHDs or equivalents all around us. Silence on both sides, that is what I am talking about.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            Look around if you can see those great ones ? Where are they?
            Where is
            Yodita
            Papi
            T Kifle
            Haile TG
            Nero
            Crocos
            Amanuel Hidrat
            Dr Sara
            And above all where is Hayat yene Emebet?
            Many, many,many great minds I didn’t mentioned their names are not around. I think it is time to graduate.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Berhe,

            I understand your fear on the thought experiment. It might inspire unwanted consequences. But please understand it in the context I raised it. It was to elicit views on such a hypothetical scenario and if that would have ushered in a different course of history.

            On the rest of your views, I can tell you that my assessment of Ethiopia with respect to Eritrea is that Ethiopians are not really done with it. If anything, Ethiopians are waiting for an opportune time and place to deal with it. For many conscious Ethiopians, the Eritrea-Ethiopia border is unfair and unsustainable. Ethiopians have many problems with Eritrea, but the biggest one is the land-locking of Ethiopia. Some may tell you many things (like Ethiopians have moved away, bla bla), the truth is Ethiopians have never accepted that, and I do not think they will ever accept that. EPRDF has worked on that for 25 years, to suppress that view. If anything, it is getting stronger today. This is not about democracy, respecting people’s choice, etc. It is about survival.

            Some of your proposed solutions to the problem are jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The sustainable solution is not there. It is in understanding Ethiopia’s security and survival concerns and coming up with solutions that address that.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Abissinia,

            How do you propose to see that will happen.

            Can you please provide the best scenario and worst scenario?

            Berger

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Berhe,
            I think what we are doing is exchanging ideas on perceptions and reality with a view to increasing our understanding. I like to underscore that that is what we can do in such a forum. Having said that, I do not think I have any ready-made solutions for the impasse (for that takes two to tango: the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea), but I can say something on the best and worst scenarios.

            Let me start with the worst scenario. Ethiopians (not the Ethiopian government) have a question on the session of Eritrea. Their questions are a lot and layered. First they question the validity of the Eritrean referendum. Second, even if they accept the referendum, they believe Ethiopians should have had also been consulted. 3) Even if Eritrea becomes an independent country, they firmly disagree on Eritrea land-locking Ethiopia. The views of people can vary on the three points, but almost everybody (save the government and some) agrees on the third.

            If you happen to follow Ethiopian politics, the port issue is one of the big issues. There are many political parties whose programs are to reclaim the port. For 25 years now, the government’s Achilles heel has been the port issue. The refusal of the government to relinquish Badme has also to do with the port issue. The government itself has realized now (despite having difficulty in admitting mistakes publicly) that the way it handled the Eritrean referendum, specially, with respect to the port issue was a strategic mistake. So for better or worse, the government is using the Badme card at least as a face-saving for the loss on the port, although it does not really know how to turn it into the port issue without embarrassing itself. The government feels cornered on this issue because this is an issue which it decided long ago and defended all along, but its political cost is getting clearer by the day. A new government that has no such history will have much freedom to pursue this issue either legally or offensively.

            Given the above sentiment, perception and reality on the Ethiopian side, it is not possible to think that there will be peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea with the current border. The worst case is war and destruction, of course. The best case of the worst case is to live in a perpetual no-war no-peace, which harms both countries, but which Ethiopians consider less humiliating than to accept the current borders. Ethiopians also think that Eritrea is punished more in no-ware-no-peace than Ethiopia, for if it is paying for port service, they think Ethiopia should use the friendly Djibouti. Simply, Ethiopians do not see any value in taking any initiative to solve border problems nor to befriend Eritrea without Eritrea offering anything in return.

            The best case scenario, I think, would be for Eritreans to understand that it is not sustainable, nor even moral to want to choke Ethiopia, and with that understanding they come up with solutions that address Ethiopia’s legitimate concern on security and survival. Either some sort of arrangement (federation, confederation, union) or some sort of guaranteed access to the sea and port ( example conceding Assab) seem the only sustainable solutions.

            How do Eritreans understand Ethiopia’s legitimate security and survival concern? How do Eritreans think to bring about sustainable peace? Do they think chocking Ethiopia is in their long-term interest? Above all, what do Eritreans lose in some sort of arrangement where they do not lose any thing, but address Ethiopia’s concerns and gain sustainable peace too? I am trying to understand the Eritrean view with respect to bringing about sustainable peace. Looking forward to reading your views.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abissinia,

            Thank you for being honest and try to put the concern in the table, although I am not sure I agree with the historical aspects.

            Referendum and self determination

            I personally think the referendum and the self determinations is legitimate. We hear, Ethiopia had no say but I don’t know exactly what that “no say mean”. I have seen referendum conducted in Canada in 1994 / Quebec and it wanted to separate. Only people of Quebec did the voting weather to stay or separated and those who wanted to say won (that was second, first being in 1981). The only difference that I can think between the two (Eritrea’s/ Quebec) was that the rest of Canada (english Canada) went to Quebec to show their love and campaign to say “no” to separation. We can also say the same think about the recent referendum in Scot land, that the English people were campaign to say “no” and showed their “love”. If you say the Ethiopian people have not given the chance to show their love to their Eritrean brothers sisters and was “not fair”, I think you may have a point, would be funny/unimaginable to see “Abi reaction” other Ethiopians showing their love for Eritreans.

            Long history of Mistrust:
            In our long history we have allied with Ethiopia (at least the kebessa), be it on your fight with Egypt or on the fight with Mahammad Gragn and I am sure on the fight with Italy as well (as there were many Eritrean informants who were double agents and informing Italy’s preparation). Our recent history, weather it’s Alula or Ase Yohannes, Menlik, Haile Sleassie or Mengistu and even Melles shows that, there hasn’t been any agreement that they have agreed that they honoured. Please correct me if I am wrong, can you please tell me if there is any agreement that the leaders of Ethiopia in the past history agreed that they honoured. This is probably why there is so much mistrust.

            Chocking Ethiopia
            I don’t have the exact statistics but last time I checked it’s Ethiopia who boycotted Asseb and Massawa port and chose to use Djibouti instead. I heard people quoting the late prime minister “you can have your ports and it will be used to drink your camel” or something to that effect. 80% of the residents of Asseb were Ethiopians. Ethiopia were using Ethiopian education system to teach their schools. As far as port fees goes, I thought it was also free. But I also hear, Eritrea use to make 200 million dollars on services, I really do NOT know what free means…and what was Eritrea charging.. I will leave it to the experts to explain/ or those who have better knowledge. But as far as chocking Ethiopia, from Eritrea point of view, it NEVER did and it was Never the agenda and it will NEVER be the agenda.

            Security Concern for Ethiopia
            Ethiopia has ive immediate neighbour countries (Sudan – Port Sudan, Eritrea – Asseb, Djibouti, Somalia – Berbare, Kenya – Mombasa) who have access to the Red Sea.

            Here is the distance google map gave me from Addis Abeba:

            Port Sudan – 24 hours
            Asseb – 13 hours
            Djibouti – 11 Hours
            Berbare – 12 Hours

            I am asking you and I wanted to know so that to figure out where Ethiopians are coming. Why is Ethiopia land locked-ness associated with Eritrea ONLY. Why isn’t Ethiopia looking into taking ports / access from other countries (for example Djibouti – a much tiny country than Eritrea), which depends almost 100 % for it’s imports from Ethiopia.

            Ethiopia Threat – ZeHmqo aleni betrey Habuni
            If you keep referring us, tiny this, tiny that, it comes to us, your request is not based on fairness but based on threat. You have no respect for us, but you are threating us that, we are so tiny and that you will walk all over us to get what you wanted.

            If it was about being tiny, why isn’t Ethiopia can’t walk over and take over Djibouti? Is it because it has some sort of protection from some super power? Betrey Habuni, ZeHmuqo Aloni?

            I am saying this, not that I am offended or that my feelings are hurt but this is an indication to me that we are not talking in good terms and we are not negotiating in good faith.

            Federation, Confederation, Union
            My personal feelings is that, we have too much wound that needs to be healed first by building peace. The last 25 years, we all of us squandered it and if anything our trust, has worsened. From Eritrea point of view, we have lost a great deal of opportunity to help transform our people for the better, with lack of democracy, and basic human rights the hope we had for bright future have vanished. Ethiopia on the other side they were doing better for the last decade but recent events also demonstrate that the country has a long way to go. Looking from an outside, I personally do not think that we are ready to go and mix in divisive Ethiopian politics right at this moment. We need to be able to build our future and respect each other and see eye to eye as equals (two countries) so we can build our future. It’s not the size or the population that matters, the best and the most advanced countries in the world, when ranking are the small countries, like Norway that out do those big countries like China or the US. Even looking in Africa, a land locked Botswana has out performed many large and rich countries in terms of GDP, education, democracy, freedom etc where health being a challenge mainly do to AIDS.

            Worst case – Eritrea / Ethiopia
            I think for Eritrea the worst case is that Ethiopia invades Eritrea and we have to start the war of liberation all over again. Does this make Ethiopia economic future and it’s status in the world better? I don’t know but it will cost a lot. If that happens, countries like Egypt, Sudan and others in the middle east will use Eritrea as proxy and wage war. And Eritreans knowing they have nothing to lose will participate. Even it it’s not full occupation of Eritrea or any part will engage the public to support the war.

            Best case – Eritrea
            Boarder agreement reached and all other economic aspects are negotiated. Again, what ever agreements reached, Eritrea has all to gain, considering where it is today, even all goes in favour of Ethiopia. For example Cohen proposal, without giving much thoughts, sounds like in favour of Ethiopia for the most part compared to the small “Badime” hand over. And the second peace is economic / access to each countries. In the days of Free trade and open world, there is nothing Ethiopians to fear that Eritrea will benefit, when done properly it all should balance out. That’s the nature of trade….

            To me I think the boarder become insignificant and Ethiopia not only free access but can develop the whole cost and make it economically viable for tourism and other destination (as long term Ethiopian airlines expansion plan) and make a tourist destination.

            I think it’s best to look at similar co-operation in other parts of the world, I think US and Canada relationship as an example. Although the same land size (Canada bigger) but population and economy 10 times more in the US. The longest boarder in the world and both countries didn’t fight a war in 200 years…

            In other words, the US really owns Canada, if it wants to buy it all but Canada is free to make it’s own political choice.

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abyssinia,
            .
            I enjoy reading your comments. Oh! how I wish I could have read the posts that did not make it.
            However, I have to intervene here to make two points.
            .
            The 1st point is really an answer to your question and answer of “1) Do you believe Ethiopians have let go of Eritrea? If your answer is yes, we are done.”
            .
            Yes, Ethiopians are done with Eritrea. So much so some Ethiopians are considering to make the independence day of Eritrea as their own. Consider the 1998-2000 time as the baptism event to avoid confusion of the question you raised.
            .
            The 2nd point is AOsman is one of the very few sane individuals at this site. Do not drive him to the other side. As someone has said it before, I think it was you, there are so few reasonable people left.
            .
            Happy new year.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim Hanna
            Long time no talk.
            I agree with both points. AOsman is Officially an Ethiopian. I just took this opportunity to wish you and your loved ones a happy new year.
            Ras Abinet, yeAlula abat. Alula is saying hello.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi, YENE WEKIL,
            .
            Happy new year to Alula and Ras Abinet. I wish you and your entire family the best for the coming year.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Kim,
            Glad to hear that you enjoy reading my comments. I understand your concern. I might have tried a bit too hard to get something out of him; that is because I believe that he is capable. For me, engaging someone on some serious subject comes from the respect I have to the person. Above all, if one can be driven away with such skirmishes on ideas, what worth is his being on this or the other side? I do not think AOsman is such a person.

          • Hope

            Mr. Self appointed Prosecutors and Judges:
            Aby and Kim!
            BTW,who appointed you to be judge and discriminate on ERITREANS as these and that ?
            “Sayterut abort and saylikut. Wediet”!

            “Keite addeme Zemetse gashas kei tseghebe wetse “!
            Keitikhonu selah elkum
            Kidu abta tighibi’akum me’addi!

          • Abyssinia

            Selam Hope,

            Why is this a reply to me? 🙂 By the way, it seems our relationship is not in good shape. ሎሚ ገብሪኤል እዩ እሞ፣ ገዛና መፂእኻ ፀበል ጠዓም።

          • Hope

            Happy New Kim:
            Welcome back!
            I thought you left us alone for G O O D,after dropping your last CURSING of ERITREANS !

            What happened?
            Are you here to apologize for what you said or to really debate with honesty and civility ?

            Eritrea is GONE FOR EVER and for G O O D!

            As far as yor solidarity with the Habeshi is concerned,here is what Guad Abi would say:

            ” Libeliwat yekejelu Amora,yiliwatal zgigra”!

            Otherwise,how and why in the world would you declare a Solidarity with self-appointed Deciple of Hate and Animosity and Jealousy!

            I hope Dr Fanti Ghana will not join that Solidarity!
            But am wondering as to why he is silent about that Keidi-Albo Demoniizatuon and Insult of the most Innocent Nation and People in the world!

            Eritrea and ERITREANS are,who they are and they made themselves to BE who they are and who they want to be !

            You said that you are done with Eritrea and ERITREANS ,and if so,leave them alone and move on and mind your God damn business,with all due respect,Sir!

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            Yes is the answer and I am advising 🙂 you to join them. Happy new year.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Dear AOsman,
            Now I understand your position. Our difference is not in our hypotheses; we have different analyses of the Ethiopian view on Eritrea . All, I can say is that a wish does not change a reality. Thank you for your respectful engagement.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear mahmud,
    You still have it in you!
    1. 1993, I remember of going to register to vote for referendum with my mom. They gve us EPLF IDs. But my mom told the guys that we are not affiliated to any political party. He simply told her that she has to take or leave it . So that is your style of democracy! Democracy? What? So what happened to it?
    2. I know of many (I mean many in its true sense) Ethiopians whose houses were taken away from them or evicted. These are facts. I can tell you (but not write) their name and their addresses.
    3. I do not even want to go into the details of the army treatment. Again, need I remind you of the fact that I was stationed at the tehadso centers in holeta and Debre-Zeit.
    4. Sorry to disappoint you but when I was at AAU there was a guy who used to organize these meetings and guaylas. He later used to work for Eritrean youth groups. He is now a high ranking official. Again no name but if you were in AAU in early 90s you would know what and who I am talking about.

    Sadly you still treat people with disrespect calling them BS and all. I need no fabrication because I know of the facts. If immigration, civilian safety, currency, and the proper treatment of POWs are not the winner´s responsibilty then I don´t know what else is. Simply put, we all have to recognize that mistakes were made both in and outside of proper Eritrea. That should be easy to admit for otherwise we are still held hostage to your “the winner goes the spoil” attitude.

    • tes

      Dear Dis Donc,

      I am reading your grievances loudly. But let me ask you this:

      You were trying to correct Abi to come to his true sense and see the reality. But what is your point exactly? Are you trying to prove that there are sane and insane people so that the gross characterization done by Abi is not fair?

      Abi’s line of thinking is very clear and he has vomited it here as much as his presence.

      Disclosure: I am not fun of the remonetizing or de-remonetizing camp. I see history as it is and I have a principled stand that says, “history is merciless. I can not discard the history that I dislike nor can I glorify the history that I like. History is all sided.”

      tes

      • Dis Donc

        Dear TES,
        Abi did find the logic and acknwledges his mistakes. In life, just like anything else, you have to fight for it. I want him to understand that Eritreans had to fight for their right in both proper and outside Eritrea. I want him to stop hating Eritreans for mere simplicity that they are Eritreans.

    • AOsman

      Dear Dis Don,

      It is pointless to expect MS to apoligise for EPLF, he does not have to take the burden or crimes committed that he had no control off. But that should not stop you from highlighting the loss faced by both Ethiopians and Eritreans during the early and late 90s. Your contribution will be a great lesson to us all.

      What I find difficult to understand is that many Eritreans (amiche as we would call them) who are bitter about the deportation by TPLF feel that they have to support the devil we have at home, even though they know he is harming Eritrea. PFDJ has evicted not only Ethiopians, you will find many Eritreans have been evicted from homes the own or forcibly had to accept a replacement. Another bigger group who quietly suffered are those who lived in rented homes. Most were evicted to give way for those affiliated to EPLF/PFDJ and they had no mean of legal protection but to leave. It was a pick and choose task once you determine a house was government owned.

      What we know of the suffering is so little that I don’t think we are prepared for what is to unveil once the regime is gone. God help us all.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Dis Donc

        Thanks Osman,
        No, I am not asking him to appologize. Never!!! I would not ask a gallant fighter, like himself, to appologize. I just don´t understand his blind faith in his glorious EPLF history. What is worse is that he belittles everyone who reminds him of EPLF´s misdeeds. I fully hope that Mahmud accepts your last line of sentence.

        There is so much more I can write but we will leave it for the next generation.

        • tes

          Dear Dis Donc,

          You said, “There is so much more I can write but we will leave it for the next generation.” Ah this is the biggest misconception.

          Wo Dis Donc, you know that future generations need primary source materials. How they see these materials depends on their historical understanding and treatment. However to write what the primary generation knows is a classwork that should not be left pending.

          Write, write and write. When you write now, you are not acting as a historian but the history by itself. A written history and history by itself are two different things.

          Concerning MS, I hope he will one day come detoxified and realize how much big mistake EPLF did by failing from to form an organic political environment.

          tes

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Tes,
            in the world we live in, very few reasonable people left. Thank you and I agree with you; I will try to write when and if opportunity and health permitting. I really do not like what I read sometimes in this website and disappear for a while. But my sister is a regular here and tells me everything that goes on. Some people feel like they need to be unchallenged and I don´t know why. However as an Eritrean decendant I have every right and obligation to ask and challenge anyone. No one is above or below another!!!! Saying that, I am afraid that somethings are better left unsaid….

          • tes

            Dear Dis Donc,

            Even what you write here is part of the writing process. What we do is writing our views, opinions, and history.

            I wonder most of the time when people consider writing as a big project. trust me what is written in this forum is equally also part of the whole written history; Share with us and grace us with your historical narrations.

            You see, when some people provoke, many good values are coming every day in this forum. In fact awate.com is alive from the provocations of its readers and commentators. When there is a drop of line something comes after also.

            Therefore do not think that you are not doing it.

            Just for example:

            You told us that you joined TPLF but not welcomed simply because of your identity. This is part of our history. Someone could take this point and study how many Eritreans joined TPLF, why, and did they stay there for long time? Many many hypothetical questions can be brought from this single drop of line you made.

            For a wise person you are writing a lot. Therefore keep on writing.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Dis Donc,
            Yes ended somethings are better left unsaid but what you have started is the things we all should say and expose.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            I have been told not to miss the chance in saying I love you on correct time. I love you.

          • Peace!

            Dear Kokobai,

            While waiting for tes to reply you with I love you too, allow me to inject a couple points here:) It is time to evaluate as to why the opposition groups keep failing to make a tangible progress and DIA keeps playing with Eritrean lives because he can. The answer is a no brainer; it is the absence of united front. Given that’s the issue, It looks like impossible for you guys to reconcile your differences and focus on things that really matter. Trust me there is nothing more boring than ELF/EPLF cyber fight, and such meaningless fight is obviously not helping your cause.

            ragards

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            I wished so many times if you were able to deviate your energy from fighting external to internal force. The time you stopped wasting your energy unnecessarily I believe there will be a united front to fight PFDJ.

            But this is just a day dream. What do you think?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hey Prof Tes
            What did you understand from Peace’s comment that prompted your response ? I wait for your wise comment.
            Yeqenyeley.

          • Solomon Haile

            Dear Abi,

            Can I ask the same of you? What prompted you. to request an Amharic song which BahreDar’s Kokhobai obliged? And what was that battle between you and SJG about?
            (An answere to lim(awate – Saay)=sjg..Proved?) 🙂
            Some one please put a link to the Greatful Dead song: “A friend of the devil is a friend of mine. ”
            tSAtSE

          • Peace!

            tes my man,

            Did you read my comment? I don’t think you did. It has nothing to do with external problems.

            Thank you!

          • Abi

            Hey Peace!
            Professor Tes has read your comment. As always, he didn’t comprehend it. I also asked him what prompted his response? Again, he didn’t understand my question.

            “Yedenqoro leqso
            Melso, melso” yilalu yagere sewoch

          • Peace!

            Hi Abi,

            I don’t even mind to read it for him because that “Nuclear reactor” scares the s**t out of me. Can’t go with you on that, too young, huff

            regards

          • Abi

            Peace
            The problem with the philosopher is not reading. It is understanding.
            BTW, his thermodynamics is a poisonous gas before the sh*t. Don’t worry lekfu ayseTim geram new.

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            The post here has nothing to do with your current comment. It is my prayer for your general stand. Since I started to read you, I feel that you are spending more energy to TPLF saga and bla bla than concentrating on the internal Eritrean issue. Did you get me now?

            Ah this Abi, what the hell is doing here? Gosh!

            tes

          • Abi

            Tes
            What is Abi doing here? Very philosophical question? Many great philosophers asked the same earth shattering, mind blowing question. Is this how you philosophize when you are sober?
            The Great Enlightner Jean-Jacques Rausseau should be turning in his graves . Shame.

            Abi is laughing at some clowns
            Abi is laughing with his friends
            Abi is singing with others
            Abi is listening music
            Abi is learning
            Abi is having fun.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo.

            Lol, more lists please!

          • Peace!

            tes my man,

            Thank you for the prayer. I can only say TPLF is a big player in Eritrean politics. If you chose to ignore it, that’s your right, but I urge you to stop dictating others from seeing things from different perspective. You raised a very good question the other day whether Ethiopia is a strategic ally or location? I am sure that wasn’t a random question. happy new year!

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,

            Do you want the real practical answer or just unnecessary romantic answer? if want to enjoy temporarily the sanctification you get from the answer keep saying the above and you can have IA or similar dictator the the end of the world – (YOMAEL QIYAMA).

            I don’t believe it is believe the reason opposition didn’t won so far is due to ELF, EPLF historical differences. I will never be convinced at all EPLF leadership was for peace and freedom and I didn’t even a single day believe so even when they announced “Eritrea is free”. Never. I don’t believe ELF and EPLF thing is affecting us, that is history and it will continue to be parallel and that is over already. so who is going to be untied, the past history or the main killed? none among killers is willing to say sorry, you have as Kokhob cancelled that all nonsense politics.

            the way out is putting this nonsense “unity” of the old history and go practically to the field. that is all. who ever participates has reconciled the past. we don’t need all those parties, let them talk and talk but what I request my party is take calculated risk and take responsibility to free the nation. that is all. Dear Peace, don’t spend your time with this nonsense old history – have a strong one practical party – PFDJ only will be removed by force and forget those PFDJ spy groups here and there. regarding ELF/EPLF thing let the people freely write history books and read it.

            instead, in this equation allow me to say sorry for being in ELF fighting against Osman Saleh Sabe and his front. we have to start to accept our mistakes. although I was not decision maker and I was not that aware of the intellectual above but I still regret and feel sorry about the war declared by ELF. Since I can’t bring back those days and correct them, I deeply cry and say sorry for every person who was the member of that front. the best thing I can do is be part of the workers who fight against the reactionary force called PFDJ.

          • Abi

            Kokobe , Peace!
            I like your names.
            Both of you like music.
            Can I bother you two to exchange a peaceful music. It should be in Amharic. I’m the judge for the best selamawi musiqa.

          • Kokhob Selam
          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Ejig beTam Tiru! A+.
            Do you know the original version is much, much better? Of course, everybody’s taste is different.
            Thanks.
            Let’s see what kind of peaceful musiqa peace come up with.

          • Solomon Haile

            Dear Kokhobai,

            Allow me to join and chaym in this love festival. As my mind was blown (litteraly, in Orchard Park, Buffalo by the Jerry Garcia and the Greatful Dead) I ROVE tes, peace and you too. I see where your appreciation for tes at the “right time” is based. Tes however failed to realize BS that is Disc-please-continued.
            Speaking of Yomeal Qyama, how was your Natale Holiday weekend.
            Another suggestion for any one thinking about retirement this time of the year: Can we say I am making this resolution here and now as opposed to retiring/resigning.
            As Eddie Murphy once put it in Trading Places with Dan Akooroyd,
            Merry New Year! (NeQefieta or a priest on the same Philadelphia to NY train is welcomed. I don’t know I guess I belong to a set of BGF an acronym for Big Guarilla Family. I wonder if any general here or out there will research and translate BGF-I mean a full translation.)
            Merry New Year!
            tSAtSE

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sele,
            every day is my holiday and I am use to it. but again I was born not to retire. I am among the people who should not think of retirement and the agreement was done with those who paid their life I wish they come back and change the agreement. regarding the BGF I will leave the generals explain to you and me. since you belong to the Guerrilla family you better ask the explanation from your family I think. don’t be angry but I also love you. some people hate to hear the word love, I hope you are not part of them.

          • Peace!

            Dear Kokabai,

            Fair enough, thank you habibana and please never mind the humor I injected. Anyways, you know most people agree that the absence of united front is what holding the opposition groups from making progress for at least the last eighteen years. In other words, the issue is no simply about choosing peace over anti peace, but rather it is an issue that requires clear vision to save the country from sinking into chaos or turmoil. Ironically, despite many grave concerns, the opposition groups have been focusing only on toppling the government without building a realistic plan in the aftermath of DIA, and for that reason, it is understandable for majority people to remain silent. I think getting the silent majority on board can be a jump start.

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,
            everybody complain of opposition. It seems the opposition is abstract from the fine world far from the material world. the truth is even the silent majority is suppose to move, everybody is responsible. Honestly speaking the mass is responsible along the “opposition”. no one is more responsible than the other. the truth is the enemy is right in Asmara and it takes hero and heroism not complains to free Eritrea. we need to stop talking and start to move right to the filed. when you and me are practically in the field, don’t worry everybody will follow. Awate start to struggle and few moved with him, that is how it starts. unity only in the field, let the next meeting be in the filed.

          • Peace!

            Dear Kokobai,

            Agreed. But again needless to say, we need a strong leadership that builds trust which what we desperately need.

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear peace,
            Yes, we don’t need busyness men leading from far. we don’t need brokers. we need leaders under leading system strong to defend any interference or any spy and leaders only lead while following the system right in the field ready to pay their life. there it is the trust as no opportunist or dirty player will be willing to be part of such honest struggle. this is my stand.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            From your own words, I know that you’ve already experienced and lived how painful and damaging it is when two brothers take arms against each other and bleed each other. It seems you’re willing to repeat that dark age in our history by calling for Eritreans to take up arms against their brothers and sisters at home. How is this civil war going to bring the so much desired justice, peace, freedom and democracy? From history and from our own experience, we know that these noble causes can never be achieved through the barrel of the gun; it would even be worse when it is within citizens of the same nation.
            Therefore, I would urge you to come back to your senses and drop this nonsense. We’ve rather to focus on emboldening and encouraging the people to identify and rise up against their primary enemy /the PFDJ-clique by distancing themselves from the regime, and by sacrificing our temporary needs for the common better future for all of us. For this to happen, we need leaders whose main agenda is to better organise the people around common national goals. We need leaders whose main focus is the creation of a free Eritrea where the people could freely decide on their leaders and future direction. We the ordinary people should be ready to unite around such leaders, and support them financially, materially, intellectually, politically, diplomatically, etc. We’ve also to be ready to sacrifice part of our time and energy for the sake of the change that most of us aspire for.

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Wise people advice, “love without precondition”. I love you too.

            Thank you!

            tes

          • Solomon Haile

            Dear Tes,
            Is it “a primary misconception ” or Disc’s ‘my mom and I’ crime story is some sort of a”Mama Ethiopia” continuity “SelaHta Werr” by the Discontinued one? What. bunch of BS?
            Some dude who was a carpenter and just had or is about to have his two millennia and change birthday saw an entrapment question by the Pharase or followers. Wouldn’t been fantastic for MS to quote s verse from the “Nebi ISsa, PBUB)..,
            Be ware of Awgett.
            tSAtSE

      • Hope

        Ahlen AOsman:
        Yes, you are a cool guy indeed!
        A Nice and diplomatic reaction Ya Ustazna.
        Please advise your Dis that Vet Mahmud and other Innocent EPLFites are not part of the game as you correctly said it.
        I admit,in the heart of Asmera,my Aunt,who has rented the Villa for more than 38yrs,was asked to leave the “Villa” with no reason or justification.
        Under normal condition,you would expect the Governemnt to transfer that Villa to the Renter,who invested and paid the rent for 38 yrs, by making him or her to pay the difference or just the sales tax.
        The ONLY “justification” was to give it to a Colonel….and the justification for the PFDJ to do such a “unique favor” to the Midlevel Officers,is and was:
        -To intimidate the innocent and to create enemity and mistrust among the Eri people and the Corrupted Officials….and there by to stay in Power.
        Remember that there was a de facto Civil War between the Warsays and the “Yikaalo” Midlevel Officiers/Trainers in Sawa.In fact,there were casualities.
        The 1998-2000 War also exopsed some enemity between such a group,based on eye witness account witnesses.
        These kind o mischieves have happened at all levels of Administration.
        Take the reaction of Prof tes towards Vet Mahmud,which is a calssic case of “revenge”.
        It is a tragedy that needs an immediate intervention and we have a Long Way to go.
        Read what the Guardian Journalist said about a certain Russom in Asmera(check SAAY’s Link),who is ready “to kill” his ex-trainer,who tortured him in Sawa for nothing but a minior issue.
        As a matter of fact,I personally do know some one,who was murdered by a warsay in retaliation to what that “Yikaalo Officer’ did to the trainee.
        We were scared to death when the GoE distributed arms/AK-47s to the public to buidl The People’s Militia but,the Eritrean Culture has not allowed that “expected civil war”,thanks be to God.
        Yes indeed,a Genuine National Reconciliation is the INKO solution,followed by an Inclusive Constitution.

        • AOsman

          Dear Hope,

          That AK47 move shows how reckless DIA is, maybe he did not trust what was brewing behind his back and had to take quick action. He plays his own unpredictable moves to keep his enemies on their toe, it was a shrewd move to distribute the ammunition for safe keeping. DIA/PFDJ have broken our people, they have been pacified to the extent you see few traffickers abusing a group of youth with no retaliation. DIA knows that most people are under a strong psychological chain and they will not raise arms. I would be careful to attribute it to an admirable Eritrean culture, we need to rediscover what we have lost. If we have a state collapse tomorrow, you might see a different breed of people emerge from the years of abuse. We have to be prepared, complacency is not the way forward.

          Regards
          AOsman

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam Dis Donc
      Good Sunday and wish you a belated week of festivities. Say hello to your sister the awatista. I have already welcomed you and please stay and contribute. We learn from each other. You will have tones of stuff to teach me and I will not heasitate to share my experience with you.
      Conming to the your comment above:
      – Please understand the BS was not intended to be personal. I actually tried to clarifiy myself saying your curiousity was out of good faith. I did not mean you were or acting BS. I was refering to the unfounded propaganda quality information out there contributed by both ghedli remontizers and defamers. I tend to hold middle ground; I try to say things I saw; things I lived, and it was for this reason that I did not want to go in detail. I said I did not have enough information. What I shared were things I personally experienced. Were there other events I did not see? Sure. There could have been thousands. Were there crimes, mistakes..? I would be lying if I said the EPLF was angelic. It sad people forget all the criticisms I come up with, and fixate on the positive ones. But I wanted to be specific. I was repltying to your qwuestions and gave you my honest answer. You are a dicent person, and please write…write and write so that we can all benefit.
      One more correction: The ID was not an EPLF, per se. It was the ID issued by the provisional government of Eritrea (aka EPLF). It was the only organ which governed Eritrea at the time during which the referedum was conducted. The rest, I respect your opinion.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello cousin
    I get you. I was just trying to establish an understanding of how knowledgeable Dis Donc’s was about the subjects he was raising within the period in reference…That’s why I was prodding him with questions. For instance, he was alleging that Ethiopians were thrown out into the street; captured soldiers were mistreated…invoking Geneva convention, etc. Well, from his language, I could surmise that he/she got all that BS from rumor mill. It’s understood that war has unintended consequences. Eritrea and its inhabitants (both Eritreans and Ethiopians) were in a state of chaos and shambles. There was no targeted abuses, or forcible dislocations. Ethiopian families who felt they needed to move out did so. The week after the collapse of Huletegna abyotawi serawit, Eritrea was literally littered with Ethiopian soldiers, some moving individually and others in disorganized group formations. The majority were collected in battlefield, and the rest were brought to collection stations by farmers and villagers. The practice was not new to Eritrea villagers. They had done it for decades. The soldiers were fed, had their wounds treated and protected along the way. BTW, this was not new to the Eritrean revolution and particularly to the EPLF EVENTHOUGH it was not a signatory party to the Geneva Convention. It had released tens of thousands during decades of the liberation war .
    Anyway, some folks write based on “information they obtained from defamer sites and individuals, and they say what they say in good faith, others say false accounts knowing they are falsifying. I don’t pass judgment before establishing well the motive of individuals. I take Dis Donc statement as something said in good faith but that needs clarification. As far as abi is concerned, he has been a toothless, cheaper than Ethiopian Birr…haha…No need of Pro.tes Newtonian action.

  • Abi

    Hope Nebsi
    Are you playing monopoly? Seriously though, how would you like the payment? Cash? Check? Money order? Do you accept visa? Sorry, there is no electricity to charge.
    Let us be really serious this time. Is this amount in nakfa? Birr? Or can we pay you in kind? Like salt , or salt water.
    You see I’m always generous.

    • Semere Andom

      Halye Hope:
      Come on now, Abi’s Ethiopia need to pay us not the other way round. What is going on with you? If we were one country then Eritrean used the schools and services of their country, Our then country of Ethiopia used the ports, some taxes from Eritreans and so on. But since Ethiopia was the bully to unleash the blood shed, the Weki Duba blood, the Ona blood, the murders, the killing of the camels alone cost millions, but that is cheap since Abi does not like his camels he can just pay in kind. But problem is how is he going to pay the lives of those his terrorist country killed, the born and unborn lives. Since Abi believes in the Bible he knows that the unborn embryo that his fathers and “agots” and older brothers killed are equally human, so Ethiopia should pay us back
      This guy is kidding to talk about pay back and you are entertaining the voices he hears

      • Abi

        Hi Qeshi Sem
        I think you need more of that cheap Tim Horton’s coffee.
        You raised a great question. How do I pay you for the lost life? Interesting!
        How about you ask your general father , brother, uncle how much he seles Eritreans and get back to me. We go from there.
        You remember the bus that flipped over on the way to sawa slavery camp and killed those young kids that your father conscripted? I think your government paid around 1,800 nakfa per child. ( check the numbers for me, will you). That will give us a resonantly fair estimate. Will deposit the money in your account.

  • Abyssinia

    Hello forumers,
    Injustice somewhere is injustice everywhere! My posts are delayed in pending sate for hours. I have one post now pending for three hours. Free my posts! 🙂 Someone is trying to tell me that I am not welcome here. So I might as well depart to make them happy. It seems to me one needs to be a puppet to be able to participate in the forum, and I am not one.

    • V.F.

      Hello Abyssinia, your points are being read and heard. Hang in there. You are in the lions den.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, how is everyone doing? Abi, i am considering seriously to awarded you an honorable Eritrean Citizenship but first, you must learn some basic Eritrean History. this song was preformed in the Middle of Addis Abeba. if you can spot VF and Semere Andom from the persons that are conspired against the Eritrean people, you application will be expidaiated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIte-dlZPJw

    • Abi

      Hi General
      I am honored.
      Could you please check the link?
      Thanks

      • Nitricc

        Sorry Abi. lets try this one

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbg5vdhFEIU

        • Abi

          Thanks General
          Semere is Qeshi Dimitros. That is easy.
          VF must be the singer. He is blinded by the hunger of power to ascend to EnToTo.
          Tes is the drunk one at the back of the stage. You can only see his back. He is busy throwing up. Too much suwa.

  • AOsman

    Dear All,

    Following Amanuel’s query, checking on youtube I found an interview conducted by EYSNS (Sweden) with Firas Osman Sabbe the eldest son of Osman Sabbe. It is in Arabic with Tigrigna translation, starting with a brief introduction about his family (2 boys and 4 girls) and it is clear the children had missed out a lot from the commitment of their father. Firas states he would have a day access in a year and that those people who were active in the Eritrean struggle know his father more than he does and the interview then moves to another interesting personal experience.

    The family was invited by PFDJ in 1993, Firas states that he went to Eritrea and met high ranking members of PFDJ including DIA. Then he mentions his stay in Dahlak for 6 months and complains about the condition of the combatants that he met there and the lack of freedom that he saw during his stay in Eritrea.

    Then he mentions a library of books that his father left to him and he wanted to take it to Eritrea from Saudi for the benefit of the public. When he proposed this idea to the government, it was rejected. Thinking it was blocked by low ranking members he approached DIA who advised him not to talk about it with others. Subsequently, he was arrested and put to jail and many people tried to intervene. He was released once countries like Syria, Saudi and UAE intervened. Afterwards he was advised by senior security members of PFDJ that he should leave the country or he would risk his life.

    Now he and his family leave in exile like many other Eritreans who have sacrificed to free the nation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwimcZ4PPE&feature=youtu.be&t=808

    Regards
    AOsman

    • tes

      Dear AOsman,

      This is an interesting angle. Ah the PFDJ thing and DIA whispering.

      The good thing is (and I hope) he didn’t submit the document. PFDJ could have burned them out by now.

      Oh yes lots of research needs to be done. Worth to spend whole your life to study it.

      tes

  • Gogo

    Selam Abi,
    I always wonder why you have to yell, scream and jump right and left when there is a mention of an Eritrean whom we consider great. Methinks, it is a reaction unbecoming the sensibility and levelheadedness of a fine poet such as you. Saying this, please allow me to respond to some of the points you raised:

    1. About your point of Eritreans getting the best that Haillesllasie’s Ethiopia could give and, in spite of this, ended up backstabbing him/it: This my friend looks likes the befuddlement that some Europeans exhibited when faced with protests, insurgencies and violent revolts led by people who were educated in the best universities European metropoles could provide. I have in mind great revolutionaries like Kwame Nkrurmah, Jommo Kenyatta, Amilcar Cabral, Samora Machel, and Ho Chi Minh. In their bid to sustain their colonial holdings, European colonial powers attempted to clone local elites in their own image and hoped these newly-minted ‘subjects’ would be grateful for this and repay the metropole by greasing its colonial juggernaut. The idea was to produce what Jean Paul Sarte called ‘Greco-Latin Negroes’ who would be contented with speaking French/English, with wearing suits and bowler hats, with regurgitating European liberal credos oblivious to how it would square with their peculiar situation, and would be obliging in the brutal exploitation of the resources of their countries and suppression of their fellows. In the formal trope of the colonial discourse this was presented as mission civilisatrice (ask Tes the French pronunciation), an acting out of Christian charity and something done out of the goodness of
    heart. True, there were some Africans who were bewitched by this. However, there were also those who understood the colonial ploy for what it was and redesigned what they learned for a totally different purpose— liberating their people. It is like ስውአን ብጡጠን. The same historical logic applies in our case. Aba Teqll (as emperor Hailleselasie was then called) tried the same and there were people who were not blinded by the meat in front of them and succeeded to see the proverbial axe hovering above them. Abi, the dynamics within which the issue at hand unfolded was outside the purview of morally tales. Blame it on the cunning of history. It is a typical example of Hegelian dialectics at work: the thesis unwittingly producing its antithesis. Or to paraphrase Marx: it is a case of an imperial project giving birth to its grave diggers.

    2. Yes, you are right a sizeable number of Eritreans were supportive of Ethiopia in the 1940’s. And yes, Christian highlanders constitute the majority of this support base. But certain caveats are in order: a) a sizeable minority within Kebessa Eritrea were adamantly against joining
    Ethiopia and their size got progressively bigger in the 1950’s to such extent that the Eritrean Liberation Movement had faced no problem in extending its tentacles in highland Eritrea in a wink of an eye; b) accepting primordial factors such as religion and ethnicity had a sway on which part of the political divide Eritreans choose to be, the class dimension in play must also be noted. Those who expressed willingness to join Ethiopia were predominantly feudal elites who thought their interest could best be served by an association with the feudal ancient regime. The Shumaglles of Sahel and Semhar too were in this category. In the 1940s, the independence movement had a subaltern nature. That is to say, it was essentially a peasant/pastoralist movement. What happened in the 1950s was that workers, urbanites, and the intelligentsia, who saw their democratic rights enshrined in the Eritrean constitution progressively violated, joined the large pool of the subalterns in fighting back against the empire. Therefore, when Hailesslasie dissolved the federation in 1962, his support base in Eritrea was limited to feudal elites who did not reflect the mood of majority of Eritreans.

    Merry Christmas,

    P.S. Please receive this as badly wrapped Christmas gift

    • saay7

      Hey Gogo:

      Too bad that the only way to like something on Disqus 10 times is to unlike it 9 times. Whoa!

      But Abi will come back with something witty and pithy cause that’s what he does. Just hope Eyob doesn’t come with something: it will be a subject, a verb, and Kebessa. And u will get every indication that he didn’t read a word u wrote.

      Copying/preferential treatment don’t always work. There are old Jebha leaders still scratching their head about their decision to send Isaias Afwerki to China.

      saay

      • Gogo

        Selam Sal,
        I would not mind Abi’s ‘witty and pithy’ statements and Eyob’s ranting if it is done in English. I will enlist you if they write in Amharic.
        GoGo

    • tes

      Dear Gogo,

      You are too generous. Abi doesn’t deserve this much. However it will be a good lesson to Eyob Medhanie.

      Abi needs just a nuclear reactor and I have that.

      Pal, too much Christmas gift. Thank you

      tes

      • Gogo

        Dear Tes,
        Keep the ‘nuclear reactor’ underground for the time being. It is mutually destructive weapon. A cool discussion is fine.
        Cheers

        • tes

          Dear Gogo,

          It has being on reaction for the last 2 years. Abi is already hooked there.

          Gogo, Abi has been here always to diffuse his witty pithy. Just use a right language you wanted but becareful not to feed him too much.

          You see I have an experimental lab here.

          1. Nitricc – I use him to convey my message for PFDJites.

          2. Abi – I use him to refute the mindset of Abyssinian elites school of thought. I sometimes use Eyob Medhanie as he is also a perfect laboratory to be used as a diode.

          All is scientific thanks to Albert Einstein.

          tes

      • Peace!

        tes my man,

        listen to Gogo “Keep the ‘nuclear reactor’ underground for the time being.” We need to help Abi as he has yet to swallow our independence despite he thinks Ethiopia is better off without Eritrea. How many times do we have to tell him “Mengedu Cherk Yerglih, Getaye!

        regards

        • tes

          Derar Peace!

          Everything is negotiable as far as there exists alternatives. My Nuclear reactor is for peaceful use. Therefore it will be in its right strategic place in case there is no peace.

          tes

  • Amanuel

    Hi Awete Team
    Thanks for writing this piece, even though, I think one page is not good enough for some one who did dedicate his all life for the Eritrean independence cause.
    I must admit that when it comes to Sabbe I was brought up by the EPLF propaganda against him that Sabbe this, Sabbe that. It was claimed that he misappropriate funds raised on the name of Eritrean struggle and used to accumulate his personal wealth. So I had a negative image of him. However, when i saw his photo for he first time, I started to doubt the EPLF propaganda. His photo told me something I have no adequate words to describe it. So I kept asking to those I think knew him. I was lucky enough to meet someone who was close to him in London about 13 years ago. He described him similar to what you wrote above and he assured me that Sabbe didn’t die rich man as it was claimed by the EPLF.

    Now, reading your piece I feel that there is a big part of our struggle that Sabbe was involved but not mentioned. I believed what we are doing in the Awete University is throwing our bit so that our kids could have a better understanding of our struggle for independence. There fore, I don’t think we doing a favour to our history if we write i piece like the above gives the impression that it was all smooth and rosy. Believe me, when i wrote this I din’t take it lightly, because of the following three reasons. First, I thought who am I to question Sabbe’s history? Second, even if I earned to question his history, He is not with us any more and he can’t defend him self, so is that fair? Third, by questioning his history am I giving Abi and Co. a stick to beat us up with. However, there is also very convincing responsibility that we should look at our history critically to reach closer to the truth. It is with this sprite that I have decided to raise the following three issues which I believe Sabbe played big part.
    1) The period of zones (kiflitat) in our armed struggle. It was in the mid 60s and very critical and dark part of our struggle. Fighters were divided according where they came from (originally where they are from) and instead of helping each other they were made to compete agains each other. Sabbe was in the thick of it, being one of the designers.
    2) It was mentioned that he was instrumental in sending fighters to aboard to Cuba and China to study. At the same time he wants to have an inclusive movement free from Marxist ideology. However, this is very contradictory to say the least. What do they say in the Uk “you don’t send your people to Newcastle and get surprised when they come back with coal”. It is inevitable that when you send your political commissars to China you end up with Maoist ideology.
    3) His reaction to the split from PLF (EPLF) 1976. Veteran EPLF fighter describe it was very challenging time in side and out side Eritrea for the movement. I don’t have a balanced information to criticize him but as a responsible leader of the struggle I can say that you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    In my opinion it is dishonesty to say the least to write Sabbe’s history and leaving out the issues I raised above. Tes, you wrote about two weeks ago how passionate you are about Sabbe and please don’t go mad at me. I am trying to get to the truth here and if some friends feel offended it is unintentional.

    At least what I would like to say is that as Eritrean I feel ashamed that knowing while Pushkin got residence in Asmara and Sabbe’s remains are still in Sudan.

    • tes

      Dear Amanuel,

      I don’t know why I should go mad at you. My passion to study Sabbe is coming almost from the same angle of questions you are asking. I feel that studying Sabbe is studying our revolutionary struggle. And I am always puzzled why we Eritreans and the world who supported our armed struggle are detached as we see today? I feel that if we study Sabbe we will reconstruct our strong relationships with those who dearly supported for our cause.

      You said, “…as Eritrean I feel ashamed that knowing Pushkin got residence in Asmara while Sabbe’s remains are still in Sudan.” very wise statement. If my dream come to happen my primary objective will be first to install a statue of Sabbe in every Eritrean’s heart and then build one of the best ever designed statue from Africa even among all the world revolutionaries.

      Therefore my passion is of curiosity driven not else.

      tes

      • Amanuel

        Hi tes
        Please accept my apology. I don’t really know why I said don’t go mad at me. May be my inferiority infront of our hero got the better of me.
        I encourage you to fulfil your passion and create a statue of Sabbe in all Eritrean hearts specially the young generation.

    • Hope

      Hey hey,Typical Amanuel:
      First of.disregard “prof” tes as I told you before ashe is only 31 yrs old and has NO clue about the complete History of the Armed Struggle era Ertra.
      I like your logical, decent and diplomatic arguement..
      In fact, some of us(am older than you for sure),knew and heard about this Hero more than what you mentioned and what is written in the Article.
      But consider few facts:
      -The attitude,background and thought process of the Heroes of 1950 and 60s Eritrea
      a)The LEGITIMATE negative attitude and perception by the”Lowlanders and Muslims”towards the Highlanders and Christians as supporters of the Ethiopian Empire based on how theose loawlanders and Christians were perceived and mistreated.
      This stigma has survived until this minute,even in a worse manner.
      b)The Nasty impact of the Divide and Rule tactic of the Britons
      c)Later on, he became the worst victim of the EPLF’s defmatory Campaign and character assasination and his fate and that of his faction was dismal and the ELF also is to blame as well.I remember that nasty Civil War around Akordat.
      Based on those few facts,I would rather focus on the positive contributions by By Salih Sabbe.
      But I agree that The AT could have mentioned few weaknesses to balance his Bio,coz the AT knows that some people know as much the AT knows about ths same Hero.
      You remeber how the AT presented the nasty Incident and outcome of the war between the Janhoy Soldiers and our ELF-ELA fighters around Halahal/Maria area.
      The AT is trying to keep things positive.
      On a separate note,read what Harbegna Welde-Ab Welde-Mariam said about the Eritean Political Culture about 50-60 yrs ago.
      We have a long way to go.

      • Hope

        Addendum:

        “…… ኣብ ምምሕዳር እንግሊዝ ኣብ ኤርትራ ኣብ ሰለስቲኡ ኣውራጃታት ከበሳ ማለት ሓማሴን፡ ኣከለጉዛይ፡ ሰራየ፡ ተዘዋዊሩ ኣብ ምምሕዳራት ሓላፊ ኰይኑ ዝሰርሔ እንግሊዛዊ ካብ ዝበሎ ኣቶ ወልደኣብ ወደማርያም ዝበሉዎ ብማለት ኣብታ ፈደረሽን ኤርትራ ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ካብ ማቴንሶ ክሳብ ተድላ 1951- 1955 ትብል መጽሓፉ ኣብ ገጽ 103 ከምዚ ይብል”።

        “ኤርትራውያን ጐርሓት፡ ፈላጣት፡ ክኣልቲ ኢዮም። በዚ መንገድ’ዝስ ካብቶም ካልኦት ዓሌታትን ካብ ኤውሮጳውያን ከይተረፈ ድሕር ክብሉ ኣይምኽእሉን። ግናኸ ሓደ ክሕደግ ዘይከኣል ቍንቍነ ነፍስን ስጋን ዝዀነ በደል ኣለዎም። ንሱ ከኣ ናይ ሓድሕድ ጽልእን ምንቀኝነትን ኢዩ። ኣብ ኣከለጉዛይ፡ ኣብ ስራየ፡ ሎሚ ከኣ ኣብ ሓማሴን ኣሎኹ። ዳርጋ ንዅሎም ምስሌነታትን ጭቃታትን ሽማግሌታትን እፈልጦም ኢየ ክብል ምኸኣልኩ። ዳርጋ ምስ ኵሎም ተዘራሪበ። ዳርጋ ንዅሎም መርሚረዮም እሞ እቶም ዓበይትን ምሁራትን ዝበሃሉ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝቢ መዝን ሓላፍነትን ዘለዎም ሰባትስ ክሳብ ክንድዚ ንሓድሕዶም ክጻልኡን ክትሓማመዩን ክወዳደሩን ክከፋፍኡን ምርኣይ ብዙሕ የጕህየኒ። ተስፋ ኣብ ምቕባጽ ከብጽሓኒ ድማ ቀሪቡ ነበረ። እወ ከምዚ ዝበለ ኣረጊት ጠባይን ባህርን ካብ ልቢ ኤርትራውያን ፈጺሙ እንተዘየልጊሱ ኤርትራውያን ወርትግ ብኻልኦት ክእዘዙን ክምርሑን ክነብሩ ኢዮም”።

        Courtesy of Aboy Welde-Ab Welde-Mariam

        Even though out of the the topic,the reason I brought this up, is just to show you that this Hero called Osman Salih Sabbe was a victim of such a kind of Merciless and poisonous Eritrean Politcal Culture.
        Look at how the G-15 et al were set up to end up to be dumped into prisons.
        The BEST Air Force Commander/Senior Pilot in Africa,Gen and Commander Habtetsion is no where to be seen…
        Now Prof Dr Salih A A Younis is the vicitm of Today’s Dirty Eritrean Political Culture and is being accused of labeling Sawa as a “Rape Center” and Petitioning for sanctions against Eritrea(see TN).
        So,please drop off the ” allegations and heresays” about this Real Hero.
        He is a Human being after all.

        • tes

          Dear Hope,

          Sometimes I ask my self about you by saying, “does Hope really is according to his words?”

          I ask this when I read like what you posted from you.

          Not more than a week ago you labeled all those who reside in Ethiopia as Islamists/Jihadists. Aha, Wolde-ab is right. We have people like Hope still around who use this hateful words.

          tes

          • Hope

            tes:
            Cool down,the boss is holding my message to you.I love to eat fully baked potatoes and fully cooked meat.if I have to.

    • AOsman

      Dear Amanuel,

      You will find some AFP clips from the 70s with Sabbe as ELF spokesman.

      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDSmc5DBhgMTdVOpMxsGUdz5Wu49zddaP

      Regards
      AOsman

      • adarob

        Dear aosman,
        At the clips you refered sabe was not spoksman for the ELF. He was the spoksman for the PLF that include selfi nasinet, befor they fire him and start eplf.

      • Amanuel

        Thanks AOsman. However I found some of them to be confusing. For example one clip dated 6 8 77 addressed Sabbe as the Secretary General of ELF. Is that right?

        • AOsman

          Dear Amanuel,

          See adarob correction comment, I would not take the titles as correct. The content and message is more important.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Amanuel

            Hi AOsman
            I agree. I think they should be amended.
            Thanks

  • Abi

    Hi All
    Yet again, father of the Eritrean struggle for independence was a graduate of MedhaneAlem high school. In the old days this school used to be called ” balabat” school where the balabats sent their children to attend modern education. The Good King also used to select students from around the country to attend in that school.
    “Ezih kemaymotew yesew lijoch madegiya sifra gbu “, says the old notice on the top of the main gate.
    Well, what can I say? He was also at General Winget high school. My guess is he met MIT and that bereket the serpent. He convinced 23 of his friends to sign a pact. What pact? To betray the country that is educating them? To bite the hand that is feeding them? Well, he was a pioneer in mass mobilization in the center of Addis. Kedategna!
    These days I am reading a series of mother breast biting people turned Eritrean heroes. What a waste of good will and trust.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Abi:

      Today is Christmas week and it is also the Mawldi Al-Nabi week (Refer to Sal’s future promised book, Islam for Abi) so I will be honest and agree with you 🙂

      Yes, like the Lucifer, who was talented, who had everything, who was handsome, who was the chief of angels in the Kingdom of God, his pride got the better of him and he back stabbed God. Eritreans also had it good, they were the cream, the leaders, had it made, went to best schools, and they were also protected, safe, their kids were safe, they went to school or work and came home safe. Also when the bandits burned their homes from coast to coast, the almighty army defended them, when some planes rained from sky to bomb them the HS army, God’s rep army defended them. But their pride got the better of them and like Lucifer they stabbed their country of Ethiopia, a country that God made sure to mention in the first pages of his book. Eritreans stabbed the wisdom that was inherent in the King of Kings and instead opted for the untested, wisdom of Ghedli instead of bowing to the King whose seed cometh from the wisest man, when he tricked Queen of Sheba by loading salt in her food when she came to visit him and then he made love to her and a son was born, but the fools in Eritrea cut the umbilical cord that tied them to God through mother Ethiopia.

      People, “Mr. Example”, true to his pedigree has spoken words of wisdom, listen to him as I have listened to him, Abinet has unleashed the wisdom that the fools in Eritrea has ignored, a wisdom that is innate to him, inborn, words that are woven into his DNA by virtue of his “Ethiopianess”, an identity that we fools took for granted and, therefore the wrath of God is what is ailing us, not IA and that is why “Mr. Example”, otherwise affectionately known as Abi, cursed Bitweded to rot in Ela-Ero. It is not IA, it our sin for betraying the 3000 years old country, first country to be mentioned in the Bible, a country that has imported DNA from a man of God and a country that has exported a bride, Sephora to wed another man of God

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hello Semere
        Merry Xmas, you are making my extra job of deciphering isem language extra difficult. Anyway, I’m on standby posture. Really nice reply. I think the problem with Mr.example, is that he see the individuals who attended those schools and Ghermawi qedamawi HS University but fails to ask himself how many souls that diminutive king could have killed, how many villages could he erased, how brutal and bigoted he was. It seems he did not even read SGJ’s book. He seems not to be bothered to know as to how that despised and coward king poisoned thousands of his people in Tigray…if he could understand that he would know brutalizing Eritreans would not be that of a moral challenge for that little king…he fails to understand that there was a covenant and that little king broke it by annexing Eritrea….
        But thanks, that was a fitting answer wrapped in a deserving style. Yes, tens of Eritreans could have benefited from HS government but hundreds of thousands perished by his army. Those who were victimized will never forget the atrocities. A guys from mahal agher may have the luxury of pondering on revisionist accounts..

      • AOsman

        Dear Semere,

        Abi should be proud and claim the source of the revolution as being the heart of Ethiopia, instead of “Ishi Getaye” men, the Ethiopian institutions have produced real men that would change the course of history and save Ethiopians from bowing to their King. He is too nostalgic at times and forgets how much the monarchy owned Ethiopians lives and thank God they are now free.

        I think we need to reciprocate in kind once Eritrea achieves freedom from DIA by giving yearly scholarship to Ethiopians to study in Asmara University.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Abi

          Hi AOsman
          Your citizenship application is denied for lack of basic knowledge of Ethiopian history.
          Sorry.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abi,

            Denied for not knowing history? Seriously do you guys have the 40 years rule like in Eritrea – it is so tough for outsiders to join these holy lands.

            True Ethiopian history is my blind spot, I have now hired V.F as my instructor starting 2016. His course promises a guaranteed pass and if I join his platinum club it comes with a citizenship package.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Hey AOsman
            Well, good choice of a mentor. Now you are guaranteed to ascend to mount EnToTo.
            I don’t know about the 40 years rule. Why should I ? I’m not applying for Eritrean citizenship. How is a country only 25 years young can implement a 40 years law? Only in Eritrea!
            Do you want the short version of Ethiopian history? Contact chief cadre Tes.

          • tes

            Dear AOsman,

            Ted can be the right instructor. V.F is too unprincipled and he will flipflop with his nostalgia.

            For citizenship, it is better to contact Kim Hanna or/and Eyob Medhanie. Abi is just naftagna. Amde can be a good instructor but he has too much analytical mind. One day he might ask you, “why you are wasting

            tes

          • AOsman

            Dear Tes,

            Too much hard work with Ted, he likes village life and too much into practical lessons. Likely he will make me work hard with cow milking and other choirs. Even Abi agrees that V.F. as right man, he suggested you knowing you are on full hand with detoxing….I have ignored his last advice as I smelled his conspiracy.

            As I write am watching a programme about Ethiopia on Aljezeera documentary channel.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • tes

            Dear AOsman

            From now onwards I will engage Abi via proxy wars. My direct engagement is frightening him more and more. For God’s sake it is the only friendly way to deal with him.

            Oh, Ted, you are right. If you don’t like practical works and village life do as you have already decided. But take care of V.F. He might be lazy too enjoying Tala*.

            tes

            *Tala – Traditional beer in Eritrea and Ethiopia, Suwa not Sawa. (just for Abi, dammit)

          • Abi

            Hey AOsman
            You are a wise man. You never wanted to milk a cow. Stay with your camel. Unlike some who wanted to milk a cow with one hand and a comel with the other, you wanted only to milk a camel.

            Tes, tell me more about suwa. You are the expert in making and consuming. Do you use corn or barely? Never mind, barely has replaced coffee already.
            Sekaram

      • tes

        Dear Semere A.,

        I am both delighted and at the same time went mad by your angelic message.

        Why you are too much on the fabricated 3000 History while Ethiopia exists only as a united country for the last 100 or less years(not full century)? I got crazy at you also when you mention that this country is mentioned in the first pages of the Bible.

        Do not write to Abi or Eyob. They don’t listen any angelic message unless it is sourced from Gojam monastries.

        With admiration!

        tes

        • Gogo

          Dear Tes,
          Again Semere will be slightly disappointed at your apparent inability to grasp his sense of humour. He is offering Abi Christmas halewat by telling him what he wants to hear.
          Cheers

          • tes

            Dear Gogo,

            I have already admired his satire. I also wanted to make Abi more angry by trashing for what he wants to read. I just didn’t want Abi to enjoy his halewat easily. I am always tough at Abi.

            Take it easy pal.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tesfachin
            I am enjoying ” Boxing Day “. I don’t assume you know what I am saying. You enjoy your ale.
            I know you read right to left. You don’t comprehend a thing.
            Maferya!

          • Gogo

            Dear Tes,
            I got it.

    • Peace!

      Dear Abi,

      Are you saying those people had no good reason to join the struggle for independence? Or, are you saying they should have kept their mouth shut while Haileselasie slaughtering their mothers, sons and daughters, and burning their houses? that’s an insult to say the least. I see no betrayal here unless the good hospitality shown by Ethiopian people was a bribe. Giving access to education is humanity not politics.

      regards

      • Ted

        Hi peace. He doesn’t disappoint. I know he would be ralphing all over this thread. We don’t see our heros through the filter; we celebrate them for what they did for our people than for what they made our opponents feel. If there are more Abi (plurale) afflicted with this victim mentality in their own affairs , Ethiopia would be in big trouble. It looks like there are many, group therapy is in order.

        • Peace!

          Hi Ted,

          Ohhh..them cavaliers can’t beat the warriors, what happen man? 🙂 I think the problem with Abi is he is not ready to swallow Eritrea as a country. He is twenty- Five years behind which makes it hard to have him move on and focus on tomorrow as Economic integration is becoming the best option for almost any country to develop. What he seems to miss is that all good things in his mind for Ethiopia can still be achieved with Eritrea as independent country.

          regards

          • Ted

            Hi Peace, no biggie. All you need to know to foresee what entails is LeBron, JR Smith and Shumpert alone out-cool the entire Warriors team.
            Time won’t heal Abi’s bitter himself, but circumstances definitely will. When that happens it is important he knows we will be there when it matters most.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted, the Cavs played horribly and they lost by six points or something like that. the Cavs forgot how to shoot free throw and three points. most importantly the Cavs hold the so called sharp shooters under 100 point. once the Cavs refined their line ups Carry no carry no one will stop the Cavs.

    • Dis Donc

      Abush, I read you every time ranting about how Eritreans taking advantage of Ethiopia. Consider the following:
      1. Economic factor:
      Have you ever considered that Ethiopia was using Eritrean resources far more than what can be said of few (few being the highlight word) Eritreans being educated and got well rewading jobs? I don´t think I need to reminder of what resources I am talking about.
      2. Political factor:
      Such kind of complaining are addresed in a political factor. For example, during independence both countries never negiated about their respective citizens living in one anothers nation and their safe citizenship choices, debt resolving issues, and frontiers. If you (I mean Ethiopians) think that you had educated a number of Eritreans you could have raised them in debt resolving issues.
      3. Betrayal:
      Here I do not know what you expect an Eritrean to do. Just like any other group in Ethiopia they were fighting to excercise their right. Look at it this way; has any Eritrean blew-up any structure in proper Ethiopia? Has any Eritrean ever recruited non-Eritrean? And yet, when war broke out you never asked any of those deportees if they were Ethiopians. Or if they choose to stay!

      So my question is why so much hate towards Eritreans but no solution? Mind that, I am not defending those who have superiority complex towards Ethiopians.

      • Abi

        Hi Dis Donc, Peace!,Jojo, Tes, Sem
        beAl Lidet yigberlho!
        I am extremely delighted to see you in unity. Well, there is hope. Ajokum deqi Eritrea!!!!!!
        I have the highest respect for those men and women who rejected the king and went to meda.
        My issue is with those who played a parasitic role while enjoying whatever the poor country provided. Read what your hero did when he was short of funds. He contacted those parasites he signed a pact with for funds. These mother breast biters who lived among us, who worshipped with us, whom we opened our hearts and homes for, who look like us, were the enemies within. These 23 double faced people who signed the pact should have left the country and joined there brothers in the battlefield. Period.
        I hate to live with my enemies in my own backyard. Besides, it is my right not to worship your hero.
        Anyway, stay united. You sound cute.

        • Dis Donc

          Well, the horse is here and so is the field. Why not bring up a case against them? There were Ethiopian agents working agaist Eritrea as well. Wars are wagged in clandestine as well as in an open space. I am just trying to understand your logic. What was an Eritrean supposed to do in those days? Lie down and die like a fly? But where was the Ethiopian govt in those days? Why didn´t they catch them and charged them for treason?

          Full disclosure: I went to AAU but never participated in anything. Nor my family but when push comes to a shove you deported us. What I am saying is that it is not as if you are free from crimes. I do not support anything but human dignity.

          • Abi

            Hey Dis
            No one is clean (except Ab.). Sorry to what happened to your family. It was a chaotic time where innocent people got hurt unnecessary. However, you shouldn’t forget majority Ethiopias were crying when their neighbors got deported. As I have said before I blame both governments in handling the situation. There was also anger simmering among the population. The inhuman and illegal deportation of Ethiopians from Eritrea (1991), and the embarrassing attitudes Eritreans demonstrated after the independence didn’t help either. ( Eritrea yeglachin, Ethiopia yegarachin)
            It is the grass that suffers when elephants fight or make love. That is what exactly happened when our leaders sleep together or fight.

          • Dis Donc

            Greetings Abush,
            How I wish that sorry could cut it. But what I am saying is that where was EPRDF when those illegal deportations happened? There were lots of negotiations during and after the ousting of Mengie; why didn´t these things come-up? You, Ethiopians, were better placed to address any irregularities. But you all failed to realize that political fall out are to be expected. When allsaid and done, you stuck it to us. Far from being parasite and backstabber.

            Full disclosure: For the record, I did join TPLF after my ESLCE, or better known as matrics, only to be told that I had to leave six monthes later. Looking back now, although I never regret the joining, I was always treatedas an outsider just because I had Eritrean parents. So what was an Eritrean supposed to do?

          • Abi

            Hi Dis
            Why did you join a Tigryan party while you are Eritrean? Why didn’t you join elf/eplf?
            Regarding the deportees, all I can say is sorry. I have done my part to help some Eritreans.
            The parasites and backstabbing experts are those who signed the pact. Don’t extend it.
            What was Ato Amanuel supposed to do? He should have left the country instead of bleeding us from within. You know internal bleeding is the worst kind.
            He went to polytechnic college and letter he was working in Addis all the time spewing hate, and mass mobilizing. I’m sure he didn’t work to bring the two peoples together. Did he? That is why I said he caused the most damage than Vet Mahmud, who never lived among us. I can handle vet Mahmud with his loaded AK 47 better than a smooth operator with a smiley face.
            Now your first question. Where was EPRDF when the Ethiopians were deported? I am embarrassed to report that the EPRDF government denied there existence although over100 thousands of them were on the streets of Addis. I. Like to extend my heartfelt appreciation for the honorable SGJ for defending them.
            Thanks

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abush,
            Why would not I joinTPLF? What is wrong with that? Since you asked I will tell you why. I was travelling from Ambo to Addis when a military police stopped our bus and asked an ID. I presented mine. By coincidence my name sounded unique. And hence needed to be detained. Jailed. That is untill TPLF liberated me and another Eritrean whose name I I still remember. That is why. Now, what do you expect I should do? Remember thatwar is wagged in both clandestine and open ways. Now tell me; do you feel like betrayed by Tigrayans or other groups who did the same?

          • Abi

            Hi Dis
            Yes I will be offended if anyone betrayed me regardless of ethnicity.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abu,
            So you are against the victory that EPRDF brought you? You would have rather stayed with Mengie, huh? All I am saying is that both nations need a reset button.

          • Abi

            Hey Dis
            You ain’t kidding. We need to hit the reset button.
            It has been a good day . I watched 5 good games. Nothing like a Boxing Day!
            I also watched Deqi Eritreans United to defend their hero. It is a rare thing to witness. I survived the coordinated attack from every corner. I even received an honorary citizenship! I denied a citizenship application.
            What a day!
            May your cooperation and unity continue for the years to come.
            Happy New Year!

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam yetekeberu ato abi
          I’m very disappointed to see you reading history in pieces; you are picking a piece here and a piece there and trying to get a full meaning out of each individual piece. Settle down, Ethiopia got its independence from Eritrea, anyway. Mndnew negeru gashe? ye gana qennoch aydelum’ende?
          So, the “Kedatechoch 50%” say : ab zeysemEaka debri aytmahlel. Therefore, I’m not going to reply to your ranting except that I have to tell you that your language has been extremely rude and offensive. It’s within your right to see history, if you want to make conclusions out of pieces…go ahead. But if you want to have an understanding please express your curiousity in an enquiring form. That way you can benefit form the forum and the forum can benefit from you. We learn from each other. Remember, you are insulting a huge part of people based on accounts documented by ant-Eritrean entity (from Zewdie Reta to the neo-andenetites Eritreans). They don’t represent the majority of our Kabasa people. Numbers are misleading if they are not seen within context. You can count hundred AAU educated Eritreans, but I can print for you accounts of hundreds of thousands of Eritreans who were losing their lives and property during those years. You may raise the 50% Eritreans who are reported to have supported the UNION leaving out a lot of caveats. BTW: that figure is just arbitrary, and since the expectations and the promises (caveats) were not met, they soon trickled to the field. Remember Eritrean Christians were among the pioneers of the revolution. Hareka (Eritrean liberation movement) began in the 1950s and it was mainly urban and broad sectional….meaning our Kabassa people were equally involved in it. Therefore, the more it became clear that the untrustworthy king would not fulfill his promise the more folks previously voted and fought in favor of union revised their stance, among them the president of Eritrea and the notorious General Tedla Ogbit. Gen.Tedla Ogbit shuddered his head when it was all too clear that he was misled. It was too late.
          The point is: we need to respect each other. I’m not going to try to shove my own notion of Ethiopian history into the depths of your consciousness, and you better not try to do that. Give us space to celebrate our history the way we see it. We were the subjects, we endured the consequences, we write it.
          I could go point by point in demolition the myth that Eritreans gained this or that. To mention few:
          – Ethiopia was in charge of all financial institutions including ports and customs
          – Ethiopia in cooperation with Brotoish Authorities relocated to Ethiopia or auctioned off the major economic sources (infrastructures, industries…)
          – Ethiopia was leasing Kagnew station to the Americans for tens of million, granting leases and lisences of companies…
          But again: abzeysemEaka debri aytmahlel. Many Eritrean stories to come. What you have seen is just the tip of the iceberg.
          Senay Qnyat beAlat.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Mahmud;
            while it is encouraging to read what you wrote, the then winners forgot to mention all the economic, political and demographical related issues. And so the blame lies also with EPLF which failed to protect Eritrean interest.They could have played a big role in escorting the defeated Ethiopian army and should have given Ethiopian civilians an option of citizenship or other peaceful alternative.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Dis Donc
            Welcome back, long time no see.
            I can’t really speak for the “winners” or EPLF as to why it chose what it implemented in a range of issues following the liberation of Eritrea. In addition you are raising issues that happened in a completely different era and different configuartion of political forces. My reply was specifically to abi’s narration that:
            a/ Eritreans were treated preferencially
            b/ his rude language which literally insulted a great number of our people without considering historical factors, and generally examining the period in its complexity.
            What transpired during the struggle for independence and after is governed by its own dicatating characters/situations. That could be another seperate but related topic.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Mahmud,
            I came back after hearing about the purge that Awate is going through from my sister. While I agree with you on points a & b, I disagree with that you still do not want to admit that EPLFfailed completely before and after 1991in respecting the rights and interests of it will-be citizens as well as Ethiopian citizenes. This must say a lot about the structure and function of EPLF.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Dis Donc
            Can you tell me:
            – exactly what rights and interests you are talking about.
            – tell me how YOU THINK EPLF failed on them and how you would handle them differently
            – And how that “must say a lot about the strycture and function of EPLF”?
            Thanks.
            I just want to be clear what it is that we are talking about
            Thanks again.

          • Dis Donc

            Right back at ya Mahmud,
            – Let me begin by saying that a defeated military is protected by the geneva convention. Civilian Ethiopians were denied of their rights as humans when they got pitched out on the street. Civilian Eritreans in Ethiopia were abandoned after victory rather they were told to dance. Why did not EPLF negotiated about them. or is therte something else we do not know about the deal between EPLF vis-à-vis EPRDF.
            – At the height of victory EPLF forgot that things should have been addressed politically as they just won. They simply got themselves and others dance. It didn´t show flexibility in addressing many issues, especially the democratization process and civilian Ethiopians issues. The port issues, currency issues, etc. One can go on. I remember of you mentioning that you get involved in local process where you live. Can´t you see that something is missing from EPLF.
            – All the above or lack thereof shows that EPLFwas either a dysfunctional entity or simply outright disrespectful of others that weren´t members.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Dis Donc
            I’m not sure if I have to continue this thread because you are mixing many thing; some of your expectations or accusations are not realistic unless you put each of them within a time framework. For instance, there are things that priority in the days that followed the end of the war while others are of a long term nature, such as the democratization process, which kicked off right after referendum. You have to remember that, legally, Eritrea remained part of Ethiopia until the official declaration of independence and its international recognition after referendum, 1993. What did you want EPLF negotiate about Eritreans residing in Ethiopia? Perhaps you did not know but those Eritreans you saw dancing in Ethiopia did it of their own volition. They were not ordered to dance. It is the responsibility of the country where those Eritreans live; Eritrean government may advocate for them, but they live there at the pleasure of that country. I mean, that’s what happens everywhere. In addition, the relationship between the political forces seizing power in both capitals was promising to the extent that both governments were negotiating about establishing a state of dual citizenship. Therefore, Eritreans were in their second country. My question to you is the following:
            Had not the war occurred, and everything had gone smoothly, would you still ask these questions?
            I’m not going to go to the details of the alleged treatment or mistreatment of civilians and captured soldiers because it is fruitless, and has been discussed countless times.

          • Abi

            Ato Mahmud
            Entay konka ?
            If Eritrea was still under Ethiopia, why did you kicked them ( Ethiopians) out of their country? Did you also have to be that cruel? Selam described it how they died of thirst. They were begging for water while Eritreans dance around them. You were there . What did you do personally?
            Again, if Eritreans though Ethiopia is their second country, why it not reciprocated?
            I don’t want to mention the illegal and embarrassing activities the young Eritrean government committed. Your argument is unusually one sided.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey abi

            rHooos beAalat.
            Enjoy.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r17CZWv6_GM

          • Abi

            Vet Mahmud
            Yeqenyeley.
            Loooooooong day in the battlefield. I deserve a cold beer and a nice music. I’m still waiting for the sambusa.

        • Peace!

          Dear Aby

          I remember the good old times when Gashaw Adal sings “anchieye Menebal…Hodye Menbal. “was he saying Abiye Menebal..? come on, Abi. I wouldn’t call it a betrayal if Ethiopians living in Egypt defend their country tomorrow should Egypt try to prevent their country from its right to use its God given resource.

          regards

      • tes

        Dear Dis Donc,

        Since I decided to have a proxy-war with Abi (he deserves it), I will continue to do it while addressing my message via your channel.

        Look who Abi exactly is.

        Abi is a left-out of Derge regime. And derge used to say, “Ertra Merieta enber Hizba ayedliyenan eyu” This is exactly what Abi is doing here.

        Look his lines that reads,

        “My issue is with those who played a parasitic role…”

        When PMMZ deported Eritreans from Ethiopia it was from the same principle(considering Eritreans as parasites).

        Well, of course an enemy calls you an enemy not a friend. Therefore what Abi uses is exactly what an enemy should do.

        tes

        • Dis Donc

          Greetings Tes,
          I am only telling him that the Eritrean political, demographical, and economical landscape is very complex and difficult to comprehend especially for an outsider. When the going gets tough they never differenciated who did bad and good. So, I am just asking him to understand that for an Ethiopian an Eritrean is always a foreigner. Plus, they faught for their right to self-express themselves like any other groups in Ethiopia. Having said, that both parties, during their honymoon time, forgot that separation were no simple matter. Mind you that these two nations are not the only countries that broke-up from each other. So why so much hate against Eritreans for wanting to go separate ways?

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Abi,
      ቀና ሲታጣ ይመለመላል ጎባጣ!

      • Abi

        HI Abyssinia
        Warka belelebet embuwacho adbar new.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Hi,

        “ኣብ ዓዲ ዕውራት ሓደ ዓይኑ ይነግስ”

  • Hope

    Huhuhuhu:
    He was very handsome too,not just a Smart and intelligent Diplomat.
    It was/is a big loss,indeed.
    I wish this man and Commander Ibrahim Afa were alive and Eritrea would not have gone through this hell.Rather,Eritrea could have succeeded diplomatically very well due to Hero Osman Salih Sabbe,prbably the BEST Diplomat Eritrea has ever produced,and of course,militarily had the Commander of the Commanders,the Handsome and the Charming,Wedi Afa, was/were alive.
    But was/is the AT bringing this hero and Kebire at the end,-or in the Middle of the History Lectures?

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    This is a wonderful piece about the one that I am attracted passionately. I will again put my dedication to study this hero of all time. This article has all the questions needed for a dissertation.

    Come’on AT, look for further studies about this hero. He is the father of of our revolution. This is my conviction.

    I use two terms to explain about fatherhood.

    1. Fatherhood (Weladi) – a father through blood.

    2. Father (Abo) – One who gave everything he has to give to make his product to be as he wishes –

    In the Eritrean struggle for independence,

    1. Hamid Idris Awate is both, a fatherhood and a father

    2. Sabbe is a father.

    This is my deep conviction about these two heroes.

    Thank you for posting this historical document.

    tes

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