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Strapping Youth: How Do You Feel About Our Incarceration?

September 18, 2015 will commemorate the 14th year since the G-15 have disappeared into the Eritrean ether. The last count pegged the number of political prisoners to about 10,000. To remember this dark day, Amanuel Eyasu of Assenna interviewed Michael Araya, a former prison guard whom serendipity chose as one of the witnesses of the tragic story of the G-15.

He shared anecdotes of Sherifo, Aster, Maryem, Ogbe, Berhane and Haile DeruE. All unique and revealing, all intimate and heart wrenching. I am sure more able writers will pen about Eritrea’s decadence with better eloquence to indelibly document the crimes against humanity. But one thing that Michael Araya shared about Haile DeruE lingered longer with me. His story is particularly unique because the last one is the third time he is incarcerated. He has defied the last two. The second time he was sentenced to death, but a few days before his execution the ELF, after a meticulous planning successfully freed him with about a 1000 other prisoners. This audacious operation orchestrated the release of prisoners from both Asmara and Adi-Kaula prisons. Haile DruE among many former EPLF fighters was the beneficiary of that bravery. He joined his comrades in Sahel and returned to Asmara with the rest in 1991.

But many remember Haile DeruE not from his prison years, or Sahel days but from his services as Eritrean foreign minister who doggedly negotiated on behalf of Eritrea. Most people also remember him from his “tetelaQina” speech which PFDJ first applauded, then shrewdly manipulated to implicate him with “defeatism.”

In the above mentioned interview Michael Araya told Amanuel that Haile, DeruE was the first one to immediately accept the reality. He did not complain, exuded patience and upbeat demeanor. He never called his captors (guards) by their names, instead he endearingly referred to them as “gobezay” (Strapping Youth). The translation may not be apt, but the Tigrinya word connotes vigor, strength, audacity and tenacity, traits that this son of Eritrea is intimately familiar with. The last time he was freed from the Derg dungeons was by Eritrean “gobezays” in an operation when vigor and strength conflated with audacity and tenacity bestowed freedom to the chained.

Haile asked the guard of “gobezays”, how they felt about his and his colleagues’ imprisonment given that they have been part of the armed struggle that liberated Eritrea. One can imagine his heart longing for his days as a “gobezay” himself when his youthful legs effortlessly saddled the hills and rocks of Sahel. The open ended question he posed could not have been random but one that sprang from the memory seared in his mind when the Eritrean strapping youth freed him from prison to spare his life. He did not disappoint them. Prison did not soften him; it hardened him. He resumed what he commenced and became one of the founding fathers of Eritrea.

More than a decade ago when his disciples dubbed Isaias Afwerki the George Washington of Eritrea and his detractors called that notion a travesty, Saleh Younis, a founding member on his own right of a different nation, Awate, offered an alternative and creative rebut to both. In one of his articles he said something to the effect of: “Ok, Isaias Afwerki is the George Washington of Eritrea as both are first presidents but the question is where are the Thomas Jeffersons, the James Maddisons and James Mornoes of Eritrea?” Feel free to pick a counterpart for Haile DerguE from the American founding fathers but my take away from Saleh’s article was this: being the numerical first president of Eritrea does not make one a George Washington, the other founding fathers with unimpeachable contributions on the making of the nation must surround him to be counted in the pantheons of George Washington.

I think of Haile DeruE as the Thomas Jefferson of Eritrea and he is languishing in jail along with the Madisons, Mornoes and Franklins of Eritrea, peers of the “gobezays” who freed the political prisoners in 1975. Then, the prisons were run by Ethiopians and most of the Eritreans were assigned to low level jobs. But that was then, Eritrea’s gilded age and the “gobezays” inspired by the courage of their peers in prison collaborated in the belly of the enemy and committed to free their friends, brothers and sisters. And free them they did. One of the prisoners who was freed by ELF in 1975 was Wolde-Dawit Temesghen who reportedly threatened his interrogators that he felt sorry for them as he was confident that Eritrean youth will free him. A decade later those words turned out to be prophetic and not a mere smarmy exuberance of a teenager. When Haile DeruE posed the question he might have been hoping that the youth will free him once again, this time from the grip of the system he helped create. But what he may not have known was that PFDJ’s Alchemy has turned the gold to arsenic. The prisons of Eritrea are stuffed with Eritreans but in the last 14 years the “gobezays” that all the prisoners are pinning their hopes on, have not come to their rescue. Imagine how inspiring and uplifting it would be to free all the prisoners from Ela-Erro en mass, reminiscent of the golden days, rejuvenating the luster that Haile DeruE may have counted on and many in his predicament have longed for.

The opposition has failed Eritrea in many areas: they squandered the myriad opportunities that PFDJ offered them to remove it. They failed to create a formidable and united force. They also colossally failed to figure out the invisible hand that is creating havoc in their midst. Their successes (biAwet tezazimu) like Jacob’s angle are nameless, their hips are dislocated but unlike Jacob they have not received the blessing and their followers shamelessly feed on the dislodged hips. They also put all their eggs in one basket, Ethiopia.

The time has come for the opposition to relinquish its current course of action. If the opposition keeps doing the same thing and is expecting a different result— Einstein’s’ diagnosis of insanity, their epitaphs will read: “those who journeyed to Ethiopia to be buried”, to paraphrase awate forum commenter. But all is not gloom. There is a course that does not require to be united and can be accomplished in silos, one that does not need the temperament to figure out who is manipulating you. The opposition should try to do the following for change, if they still want to be relevant in the struggle of regime change: freeing prisoners, targeting PFDJ’s lucrative business and saving refuges.

Another former guard at Ela-Erro, Eyob Bahta told Elsa Chyrum that Haile DeruE has lost his vision as he could discern from his gestures when handling his meals— if that is not an oxymoron! When I heard that, I coaxed my memory to hand me the end of Adrienne Rich’s poem, “From the Prison House”:

This eye is not for weeping
Its vision must be unblurred
Though tears are on my face
Its intention is clarity
It must forget nothing

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  • haileTG

    Awatista,

    The ugly events of the last few days says more than it seems to at a glance. The fact that SMEG has an arms cache full of traceable material evidence is a welcome news that will undermine IA further from continuing his desperate attempt to quench the blood thirst of his supporters or opposition egoists who drive pride from seeing the rape of their mother Eritrea right in front of their eyes. In 1998 no SINGLE diaspora volunteered to die for the war, most were evacuated. This time the D for diaspora and Despicable, is emboldened to demand more blood because they are safely out.

    Ethiopia has FULL capability to wipe out PFDJ in days but its application may create more problems. That is all.

    It is abhorrent to witness the egoistical diaspora belligerents don’t give a hoot the martyrs grave being play ground of their unholy alliance in the blood letting of innocent Eritrean lives.

    Thumbs down, all in all. What a shame!!

    • tes

      Dear haile TG,

      I differ my opinion from yours though I concur on the goods news. IN my opinion, there is nothing to celebrate about TPDM’s exit from Eritrea. They had access to the border from the very beginning and their safe exit is normal. EDF might be weak yet I believe he is capable of conducting bloody war with what ever force it is. We can not measure EDF’s weakness based on the abscond of TPDM.

      What we can celebrate about is the destruction of TPDM as a political movement who destructed the land of Eritrea. The one who was raping, rounding and destroying the natural resource such as wood being stationed in Eritrea. TPDM’s presence in Eritrea was and is simply a destruction. It is the same as that of PFDJ’s presence. Let’s then work hard to pressure the remaining forces to leave our country as soon as possible. Eritrea should be free from any rebel and dictatorial presence.

      TPDM’s abscond is a relief which can measured just a drop of water out of an oceanic problems Eritrea has. Let’s concentrate our effort to weed-out PFDJ first and foremost.

      tes

      • Volte Face

        Tes, you are again wrong on multiple fronts. TPDM is not the problem or disease in Eritrea. It’s only a symptom. They were not destroying Eritrea out of their own accord. IA tells them to jump, they ask how high. In my opinion, this act is a real blow to PFDJ’s pride and moral. This is also a loss of a group of fairly trained men at their disposal. From what I read for so long, I think TPDM had minimal interaction with the general public with the exception of a couple highly publicized altercations. Hence, I can’t see how the Eritrean people can be direct winners. But indirectly they are because the biggest loser here is PFDJ and IA. Needless to say, the whole incident is very comical.

        • tes

          Dear Volte Face,

          I agree with you that it is a real blow to PFDJ’s pride and moral and I said it in my previous post. What I am saying is that we have much bigger home work. For Eritreans, it is PFDJ destruction that will free us. TPDM’s abscond is a cent from a million. Biggest PDFJ’s blow should come from Eritrean people themselves.

          Those terrorists who were and are working with PFDJ are enemies of Eritrean people no matter who they are. Even Molla and his organization are responsible for what happened to us for the last 13 years. They helped PFDJ to some extent in maintaining his power.

          On the other hand you said, “TPDM was a symptom”. I disagree with you strongly. They were viruses, who sucked Eritrea for 13 years. They were guilty for allying themselves with PFDJ for the last 13 years. This is my stand for any group who friended with PFDJ.

          tes

      • haileTG

        Dear Tes,

        Great to see you back!

        The real point I am looking at here is not really TPDM. Whatever happen with them, it is really insignificant to the existential threat Eritreans in Eritrea face. But in order to break down my view points, here are a listed set of realities that transpired:

        1 – The TPDM broke apart and most of its leadership and large numbers bolted out.

        2 – There was an engagement inside Eritrean territory.

        3 – The PFDJ regime took the decision of escalation by saying TPDM will continue rather than scaling back.

        The above are FACTS nobody can dispute. Those facts resulted in the following:

        a – Gain to Ethiopia

        b – Loss for TPDM

        c – Loss to PFDJ

        d – Cruel loss to the Eritrean people who were exposed to conflict, lives lost, property lost and sure enough some have run out to the refugee camps

        When people like T Kifle use to say there no partners for peace in Eritrean elites, I use to disagree because I only use to look at the statement from the point of view of the border conflict. I use to think they meant that unless we took the same position as them in the border that we were not for peace or something like that. It only clearly downed on me what that observation entailed, and sadly the diaspora opposition have plenty of belligerents but i don’t think that is the case in Eritrea.

        Instead of rallying for the people who must have been traumatized by what PFDJ unleashed on them through its surrogates as per [2] and [d] above, their concern was exclusively [a], save for lip service and the rest. That betrayed the reality that they have a part in influencing [3] above in order to mitigate [c] above. None of them had the basic decency to ask what did/will happen of the people. They were desperately biting their nails till Molla’s little brother came on VOA to tell them all is OK and belligerence is alive and kicking!! Can you believe that??

        Close to 45,000 Eritrean army recruits, ex-tegadelti ambassadors, wife of coup leader… passed through Ethiopia. The temerity to suggest Ethiopia has NO intelligence assets in Ethiopia fly in the face of the recent PFDJ pulicity of its senior PFDJ leader Abdella Jabir was a Saudi spy! The hon. Ex-Minister of Information to HH IA told the good offices of the UN that indeed IA supported Al- Shabab ( yes Al Qaida offshoot Al Shabab). Can you believe that PFDJ is such an iron clad secure organization with no infiltration? Save some other, just go by its own admission.

        So what made some members of opposition to do PFDJ bidding in simply going after [a] exclusively? Belligerence! Unsustainable belligerence in the back of innocent Eritrean blood as in [d] above.

        Their belligerence against EPRDF/TPLF Ethiopian government… has paralyzed them and acted out their swing nature to rally behind PFDJ narrative.

        PFDJ only has a carcass of what is once Eritrea. It still manages to pull them on a merry-go-around because it knows their issue. I.e. they themselves are inadvertently a threat to Eritrea. This belligerence must be broken because Eritrea will have no friends the world over except Saudi and Qatari intelligence handlers just like Haile D’ruE said happened during the border conflict.

        Molla is a nobody to me. To be honest, I have never even heard of him before the last few days. But he sure educated me like no one in exposing one of the several core problems in the Eritrean politics.

        Regards

        • Hayat Adem

          Wow HTG! I’m not going to read any other peace today. That will be anti-climax and demotivating.

        • Volte Face

          Dear Hailat, I have a question for you. You have made many refrencecs to ‘they’ in your comment here. ‘They’ meaning the ‘diaspora opposition.’ Who are they specifically? Can you mention an organization, party, a website, or something? Or are you talking about individual commenters here like Saay? I just want to be clear on that because you have mentioned the word ‘belligerence’ a number of time in your last couple comments and I also like to know how they are belligerent. I am sorry to say but you are being a little vague on this one.

          You are good on 1,2,3 above but what transpired after that should be seen from the long term and short term points of view. a) Ethiopia only has a short term gain. I don’t really believe groups like DeMHIT are a substantial threat to Ethiopia beyond conducting terrorist acts. In the long term, this is thin air for Ethiopia. b) This is debatable. Like our friend T. Kifle says, the TPDM members are not some educated class with real grievances against the Ethiopian government. They are some generally young frustrated fellas with no knowledge of what is going on in Ethiopia and its relationship with Eritrea. For most members, it may simply be better to go home and use some of the opportunities the country is providing. This might be easier said than done. TPDM has nothing to lose because that entity was not a sustainable organization anyway because PFDJ would dismantle them in one day if they were say to sign a peace accord with EPRDF. I am actually surprised they hang around for this long. No loss for TPDM whatsoever.
          c) Loss to PFDJ – yep. PFDJ lost big time, short term and long term. For the short term, we can all see how weak they are in terms of intelligence or boots on the ground. They are a carcass like you said and some doubters should be able to despise them on this one. In the long term, they lost a leverage and negotiating power if they were to sit on a table with anyone. They could also unleash TPDM on anyone and they probably will lose a lot of that as I cannot see TPDM will be able to reorganize and be its old self.

          d) For the immediate aftermath, I agree the families and villages where the fighting happened must have lost dear ones and property damage and my sympathy goes out to them. In the long term, the Eritrean people are the real winners here. Because you have armed young men at the disposal of IA and if anything was to happen, say a coupe or something like that, PFDJ or IA can instruct TPDM to kill anyone on their way. That potential is still there as we don’t know how many are left behind but it is safe to assume that their power will be substantially diminished.

          • haileTG

            Dear VF,

            On the clarification issue of who is “they” vis a vis belligerence, we need to take a broader view of the issue than just limiting it to individuals in this forum. Besides, point out so and so and discussing individual people is in PFDJ++ territory. It is not good for debate, it is hazardous in a way you can end up jumping the gun on a person without clearly understanding if they fall in that camp or not. However, this belligerence spans far wider spaces within Eritrean politics straddling PFDJ hardcore, its sympathizers and opposition who have not gotten over the reality of current Eritrea and can’t rationalize that Eritrea had indeed lost its relevance and influence under the current regime and it must start afresh.

            The belligerent attitude is at the heart of what divided and paralyzed meaningful opposition to IA, that is why Eritrean youth decided to quietly abandon the country paying whatever is necessary to do so. This belligerence is too expensive and can’t be sustained. Think about it, IA gets time in office out of it, the belligerents get to nurse empty pride while living tranquil lives and what on earth does the Eritrean in Eritrea get out of it? In fact the Eritrean in Eritrea will be the one to pay the highest, i.e. blood and misery, while get the least in return. Nothing other than feeding the pride of misguided Diasporas and longevity of an evil dictator.

            You and me have no material knowledge to assess if Ethiopia stands to gain this or lose that. But we know that an event took place that humiliated the Eritrean people in the vicinity of who ever shot who ever. We also learned one side of the events from each involved. Tell me with straight face that even one person (with so many my contact said duh or duh) asking what happened to the people in the vicinity, were they OK, was anyone hurt, was anyone’s property damaged, was any child killed or winded… None at all, it was all if Molla was here or there, is EPRDF lying or not is TPDM intact… Imagine the belligerence! This was the time to censure PFDJ for allowing that, for exposing the people to that, even coordinating with ongoing investigations to demand proper redress for the violation of the dignity of our people.

            So, let’s say EPRDF suffered terrible loss, TPDM marched to higher levels and PFDJ has proven unflinching patriot by having exposed Eritrean children like that, i.e. 15 years after the guns fell silent, what does that say about the belligerent’s sense of priority?

            What is IA supposed to do here? He knows by taking the escalation approach, he stands to gain his supporters and swing belligerent opposition. By de-escalating and taking the humiliation he will be exposed to questions from his supporters and the belligerents aren’t anywhere to support him either. So, his choices are limited and he can only take the dangerous course as long as he maintains the pennies dropping. With that option he stands to ease his supporters and keep the belligerents impotent. So, morally speaking, leaving the supporters aside, the belligerent diaspora carries moral responsibility for pushing IA into disastrous position by inadvertently taking a mistaken stand in this critical and desperate time for our people.

            I want you to look at the belligerent camp as a major segment of diaspora politics that has taken an immoral stand in our people’s desperate stand to break free. In the end, what will be paid shall be paid, but history can’t be erased.

            Regards

          • V.F.

            Dear Haile TG,

            Okay, I got you and I had no intention of pulling you into naming individuals and creating a chain of fires here, particularly in this forum. We are 100% clear with each other on that.

            Let’s go back to belligerence one more time. The dictionary defines the word as “an aggressive or warlike behavior.” I am not trying to digest semantics here but I do really want to understand what you are talking about. Most people I know (in fact probably everyone) were specifically asking about Mola Asgedom (MA) and his group and how many there are left behind, how this thing transpired, what will be the effect on PFDJ.

            Neither me nor anyone I know had the presence of mind to think that there is some collateral here, be it Eritrean troops or civilians and for that matter the reported a couple dozen or so TPDM members who were killed. I, for one, was fixated on how this affects PFDJ in the long run. The short term is relatively obvious. But I did not think about some poor people who may have paid dearly for this. I think my reaction is typical of how most people opposing the regime reacted. I am not trying to corner you or anything but if this reaction is what you are calling belligerence, thus nearly everyone in the diaspora is belligerent.

            I think that is a normal human reaction – to ask who won or lost in a war or clash before it daunts on us that some innocent people may have been victimized (or in this case very likely so) either by losing their lives, properties, or livelihoods. My heart goes out to them. Needless to say, anything like this happens again, diaspora opposition will ask first how badly PFDJ was hurt before shedding tears for innocent people who get caught in the act.

          • haileTG

            Dear VF,

            Not so. Tell to any person who never has political engagement what happened. The first thing they ask is if the people are Ok and may God find a peaceful way out to the people. More people died in the sea after Lampedusa but the most outpouring only happened on Oct. 3rd. Now it is not only normalized but one is considered using it for politics to even acknowledge it. Such realty has been created by setting up Ethiopia-centric dividing lines. What you witnessed was armed confrontation in Eritrean soil. The worse is if it was among TPDM themselves. That Somalianization in front of our eyes. Foreign fighters are fighting each other in a land so much was paid for. How pathetic. I was even livid to see some seeing as a relief in their belligerent checking of EPRDF. VF, Eritrea is your country, its people are your people, PFDJ is in the process of packing and won’t stay long. Isn’t this supposed to be the big issue regardless of what one side claims or not. Yes PFDJ was humiliated, either way it was violated (whether it fought them or they fought each other). A rational mind would take PFDJ to task and press for making case for THEIR PEOPLE. To spend days to try to take away from perceived or claimed gains of Ethiopia and be dead guarded from making the case for your people is only rationalized by something. That thing is the belligerent attitude towards the conflict with Ethiopia. We can all assess and judge each other’s moves. And celebrating this loss of PFDJ and pressing ahead with the case of one’s people is normally patriotic. But when something else messes up rational thinking (there could be more than one reason for doing so), patriotism means Nkid Tray:)

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            Let’s see what transpired
            We are told a demHit guy lead a heroic feat of decimating Shaebia’s army. OK, we know when the Ethiopian regime says “ye shaEbia regime” it’s almost certainly saying ” Eritrean Army.” Few of us were concerned about the safety of our nation, our people and our people and tried to reach out to whomever we could. You are explaining the situation the way you see it; and the few of us who refused to make ourselves used as an extension of the deliberately concocted propaganda of Ethiopia are now accused as “belligerents.” ኣይግድን ሃይለ። In the absence of watertight proof, please respect others’ decision to interpret the news the way they see it. I have not seen any one, including SAAY, giving PFDJ any moral support let alone an out rightly definitive one. We all said demHit and its ilk are parasites, and are not taking refuge in our nation at the blessing of our people. We all said that. We expressed that it would constitute a big time blow to the organizers of such toothless organizations. But we were faced with folks who started to belittle our nation and its defense forces; folks who wanted us to be used as propaganda relaying stations. We tried to see the news in its components. DemHit packing off, we said fine, good riddance. Using ourselves as Ethiopian regime’s propaganda amplifiers, we said No. Where have we wronged our people Haylat? I am really confused. Why the need of all these “belligerents” salvo? Why would the acceptance of an Ethiopian explanation be a measuring stick for us to be categorized as peaceable?
            Dear HTG, I did have forceful exchanges with Hayat and Pappi, and I will tell you the magnanimity these ladies display help me adjust my thermometer. We did disagree but with due respect. I have high regard for you and please we should not waste time on negligible differences. There is no difference on how we see demHit, on the relation of demHit and PFDJ, its ramification on making our nation the receiver of sanctions…
            If we agree on the above, who cares if I believe Ben’s description or not.
            May the spirit of Qudus Yowhannes revisit you!
            May you have a peaceful night, without the nightmares Monkey the PFDJ!!
            May all the belligerents go to Sawa!!!
            * HTG, I had a call from a friend today. He said “Did you get it now?”
            I said, “What?”
            “eti zbleka zneberku…demHit Telimom…” he said.
            I had to go back to my explanation. The man is one of those who give me doses of “You can’t trust these people…” I would usually tell him that historically, the problem has been between the elites of both communities, not the general public. I repeated that today. He counted ten “tariKawyan keHdetat,” among them, the story of Weldenkiel of Hamasien, rivalry of the raestat during the colonial and federal times…TPLF/ELF, TPLF/EPLF…EEBC fate…he went on…
            I told him that probably due to cultural differences and proximity…to Tigray, I hear all of these from my friends. I added that I have not really found a reason to believe that the two communities could not re-establish trust between them if the elites are sidelined, meaning if the two communities across the river are free from the pressures of disinformation and mistrusts. The guy is after me, I mean, he reads every comment I make, and call me whenever I say to the effect that there is a possibility of peaceful co-existence. Mola gave him one more reason to reinforce his stereotypical attitudes. According to him, the vibe in Asmara Cafes is reflective of his beliefs. They did not see a result from demHit, and they want its remnant packed off.
            ** The effect of demHit on Eritreans engagement to find commonground in bringing change is minimum. PFDJ will respond only when it observes gathering strengths that threaten its very power.
            ሰላም ዎ ሰናይ.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmuday:

            First thanks for the link you provided, the interview of Ahmed Q.

            My take regarding the TPDM is that the fact is found somewhere between what the Ethiopians are spinning and what the rumor mill from PFDJ is saying.

            My point is that TPDM’s presence in Eritrea was bad for Eritrea and its defection is also bad for Eritrea and by Eritrea I do not mean PFDJ’s Eritrea, but the other, real Eritrea. This is history’s cadence ryhyming beautifully and repeating precisely. I told Sal how Eritrea lost but for you, I would like to be more succinct because you will tell me “Semere, enklil eske aytebel, zerbean meshela kissad kissadu”, just replace Asmara to Mekele and Adwa or Dedebit as gen Nit like it:-)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgAnHK41b8

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Semere
            I have to tell you how I never lost confidence in you despite the great Ted’s nudging. I wish we discussed your article; I can guess your radar is stronger than mine regarding monitoring Erinews, but I thought his interview shades supporting light to your article. The interview was also held in remembrance of September 18. and your comments on the Mola debacle have been reasonable and I agree the truth is between the lines of the automated versions of the spinners from both sides, excepting The TBS SEBER ZIENA.
            Thanks for the link to the one and only one Yemane Baria. If Americans could talk of Sam Cooke…James Brown…Elvis…Sinatra…we have Yemane. Yemane. This cassette reminds me of Maria Tselam and HalHal Frontline…well, and the sparkling of my first…. it produce four boys. Glory to division 96, and all those who remain there. Their spirit pushes us we must not falter in making our nation the nation they died for. And we should do it our own way.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Mahmuday,

            Gidefo eba qudus Yohannes, may chelot eyu teqeyru zelo 🙂

            – If we agree that so called “Our Defense Forces” actually engaged the Demhit. And if we agree that the Demhit were armed and using their armaments, wouldn’t “our defence force” refuse order and let them go to protect “ours” that I presume will be the defenseless targets? Given that they knew what was happening and they weren’t shooting randomly.

            – What does it matter if Ethiopia says it used drone technology and latest espionage equipments and it claims all victory? What is our problem there? Yes one could say I don’t agree with that but when the reality is that Eritrean people were humiliated in the most shameful manner, who should we be scrambling to speak on behalf of? PFDJ has enough money to pay for any misinforming as it pleases. The people who were violated even as per international HR law have no one. IMO that should have been the reason to boil once blood not petty propaganda that has no impact on us anyway.

            – Dear Mahmuday, the friend you mentioned may say Telamat because that was easy. But, who really was Telam?? Was it an act of trustfulness that Eritreans were exposed to this? At least they didn’t betray their people or cause, unlike PFDJ.

            The whole idea of belligerence in a way that relegates Eritrean concern to the back and justify Eritrean misery under absurd reasoning and confusion of perceived vs real and present threats has completely blinded many. As I said to VF, it is better to scrutinize it as a phenomenon and not personalize it. IMO it is far bigger an issue to isolate and accuse one person about it. However, my point is that in this case, the discussion was lost to PFDJ and the so called defense of Eritrea didn’t really amount to more than blind folded boxing match. What was clear and obvious had all the reasons for us to go after than what we didn’t know and was inconsequential anyway.

            I think that it is only when we stand for Eritrean dignity that we can come together and undo PFDJ. Belligerence often has the tendency to pull us deeper to irrationality. Not agreeing with ETV version doesn’t make us belligerent but when that is the sole concern, it does.

            Again, no Eritrean can be lesser Eritrean than any other. All deserve equal protection. Belligerence tends to lead to false premise that one Eritrean can write off another one (even if they struggle from Ethiopia), that is simply unwinnable time bomb.

            Let us return to our senses, accept that we have wronged our people by exposing them to a situation they can’t possibly deliver on. Let’s speak for them and only when it matters to them.

            Good Night brother.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam HTG

            I agree with your call that we should focus on what’s important, incidentally, that was my objective. The problem I see is this forum has become ground for hosting Ethiopian belligerence rather than addressing what’s important to us, not the other way round. We don’t need to promote Ethiopian propaganda in order to challenge PFDJ. EDF, with all the challenges that it faces, is still our defense force.
            – I don’t think I’m speaking against people; I don’t think SAAY is scrambling to speak for the regime….please let me know where. That’s my contending point. Refusing to accept Ethiopia’s propaganda does not make us misinforming our people. I think opposing Ethiopia’s propaganda and at the same time exposing the extent of damages demHit and its likes caused in our nation is the reasonable and appropriate way of handling the matter,
            Regards.

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmuday,

            – The EDF is currently accused of gross and widespread violations under the
            ongoing COIE investigations

            – The people in and around Omhajir were exposed to violation of their
            fundamental rights under national and international laws and covenants

            – The EDF has been party to this violation as there was no threat to civilian
            population when they engaged a retreating members of unlawfully armed
            combatants

            – The EDF trained and supplied the combatants and finally engaged in putting
            civilians in harm’s way

            If I have a mother, brother, sister, father, child or grandchild who was
            killed, maimed, displaced… as a result of this, does the so called
            “EDF” bear responsibility or they don’t count??

            Under the Nuremberg, I was following orders isn’t a valid defense.

            Further, if similar incidents are repeated and your defence force continues to
            murder, maim and displace my people, are you at least willing to give in to a
            little gesture of fairness or will still stand unflinchingly behind your
            defense forces. Mind you, to me they are mercenaries acting under the order of
            a brutal regime. They are guarding Ella Ero, they are inflict widespread and
            systematic violation where by some may constitute crimes against humanity. I am
            talking of the whole of EDF as an institution here.

            Finally, belligerence is the belief that how one acts, behaves or projects an
            attitude thereof, hoping to change other’s actions or behaviours. No amount of
            Ethiopian believing one story over another justify the position taken to
            support an army that exposed the people and ignoring the core grievance of the
            innocent civilians that were brutalized in all this. It must have been
            something frightening and disturbing to the concerned people that we wouldn’t
            wish on our families and children. PFDJ tells me EDF is defending Eritrea, I
            say BS to that. But, I don’t seek understanding or fairness from them as
            they have to violate my people to be where they are. We are now speaking strict
            legal case here where Eritrean people’s legal right is violated and diaspora
            belligerents have stood behind the perpetrators, i.e. EDF.

            I put the above in such stark way to register its seriousness. I am not a
            military man, I am a civilian and wish to see redress for the civilians
            involved.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Haile,you said

          1 – The TPDM broke apart and most of its leadership and large numbers bolted out.
          2 – There was an engagement inside Eritrean territory.
          3 – The PFDJ regime took the decision of escalation by saying TPDM will continue rather than scaling back.
          The above are FACTS nobody can dispute. Those facts resulted in the following”
          where did you get it when yous said ” 1 – The TPDM broke apart and most of its leadership……bolted out.” who left besides Molla? how many left with Molla? i wouldn’t have bothered to respond but you used the word ” no one will dispute the fact” i know youa re irritated but take it easy.

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Haile,

          You need to take a break.

          Best,

          FS.

          • Ted

            Hi FS, i agree, he is high in the clouds. Sometimes i look for things to make me this euphoric without using drugs. HTG is lucky guy.

          • haileTG

            haha Ted, and what is your drug?? Thanks for the concern Fnot.

          • Ted

            Hi, HTG If i have to use drugs, it would be something make me feel Eritrea as the land of laws and freedom. Since that drug is not approved by our bad Eritreans friends, who care more for sanctity of our southern neighbours than us, we have to resort to praying God to give us strength to keep our sanity for a while and also pray for our bad friends get off taking our cousin’s euphoric drug.
            PS. I don’t believe you the slightest bit when you say you never heard the man name Molla of TPDM until recently.

        • tes

          Dear haile TG,

          I read your points yet I disagree with you. Personally I don’t care whether TPDM are completely wiped-out or not. As far as PFDJ is not weeded-out, there won’t be any piece of informatrion to celebrate. Remember when Al-shabab left Eritrea nothing happened. PFDJ is incubating thousands of terrorists inside Eritrea. And every terrorist is guilty.

          Let’s hummer these guilty friends of PFDJ. We should work hard to weed-them out. Eritrea should be free of any those terrorists.

          tes

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Haile TH

      “Ethiopia has FULL capability to wipe out PFDJ in days but its application may create more problems. That is all.”

      If your Woyane can wipe-out PFDJ in days, then what problems could there be the day after PFDJ is wiped-out? And what is stopping your Woyane from “wiping-out” the PFDJ regime?

      Please have respect for the people, the land and the young men and woman who are loosing lives and limbs to protect Eritrea.

      • haileTG

        Semere,

        1 – Within days of large scale coordinated offensive by Ethiopia, the PFDJ leadership will crumble and the armed forces will go in disarray. That is a fact, take it to the bank.

        2 – No leadership, arms everywhere, simmering bad blood tensions, then Ethiopia will be facing an entirely different challenge. Any one of its hand picked transitional government will falter because they will not have constituency.

        3 – Many old scores have to be settled and and you’ll have an all out civil war. Ethiopia will back one side, the Islamists and Jihadists will back other side, the regionalists will need a bigger share of the pie, ex-PFDJ will loot and kill like the ex-Iraqi army are doing with ISIS

        That is the practicality problem Mr big respect guy (I am surprised you manage to put respect and the people side by side, very unnatural for you).

        The young are not losing lives and limbs to protect Eritrea at this time, the proof is in the pudding.

        • Amde

          Selam HaileTG,

          I think you have it well stated in a way that explains why it is not in Ethiopia’s interest to attack a PFDJ Eritrea.

          Just a question.

          If you replace the first step to “Isayyas is found dead in his sleep”, do you see a scenario that is materially different?

          Thanks,

          Amde

          • haileTG

            Selamat Amde,

            If you read an article dawit shared recently by a certain Dr Tesfa (pro-regime), it was related to such case scenario. The problem is that if the regime falls by direct invasion or indirect interference, then it is reasonably easier to predict that there should and will be a power struggle which would most likely spin out of control unless a workable transition is patched up in time. The death of IA from natural causes takes us to greater degree of assumption based prediction than with external conflict.

            His death per se may not change the status quo as conflict would. What it would do is raise the possibility that there would be an attempt to change the status quo which may or may not be controllable. The problem with IA’s blunders is that they don’t leave exit strategy. Changing the status quo in relation to constitution, release of prisoners, national service demobilization…are all volatile issues. We have seen how his regime lost control of an armed group that it created for ever a decade. That tells us the degraded capability of the system to navigate changes. Externally, cooperation with ongoing investigations is also likely to implicate many and thus volatile in itself.

            Hence, if the regime remains exactly the same after his death and manage to continue duping the public (violence and poverty at home and whipping Ethiopia sentiments abroad) and keep that going for a while unchecked, they may well be able to normalize another face to the public’s eyes. But that would be dependent on an awful lot of ifs, i.e. will the external factors stay the same, will conditions internally be controlled…

            So in order of most safe to least safe eventualities:

            1 – popular uprisings

            2 – death of IA

            3 – regime crumbles under conflict

            regards

          • Amde

            Hi HaileTG

            Thanks for the response. Disqus is strange.. I just saw your post.

            I saw Dr.Tesfa’s article. I was pleased to see that people are starting to openly raise this issue. As much as I despise EPFDJ, given the speed at which Eritrea is depopulating, a transition from within might be in the short term best interest of Eritreans, so it is good an insider is daring to raise the issue.

            In any case, I think this eventuality is the most certain predictable political event on the horizon, and should be actively discussed.

            Thank you for your assessment.

            Amde

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Haile

          Yes, if any country destabilize’s another country by toppling its government, chaos will ensue. You don’t need a brain for that. All you need to do is look at what foreign intervention has done to Somalia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen…………

          All the points (1,2,3) you listed are are universal facts that apply to any country in this planet – for Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan………… now tell me what is your point?

          • haileTG

            Selam Semere,

            Let’s bring the salient points that may need brain to figure out before I address Amde’s another scenario of IA passing out on the job.

            Suppose the events of last few days were to get messed up and ended up triggering an all out conflict between Ethiopian and Eritrean regime forces, what do you hope to bring to the battle field:

            1 – Highly motivated youth who would rush to the front line to die for PFDJ and diaspora belligerents? The highest turn over of refugees happened this time last year when Ethiopia made a threat. 7000 crossed in barely 5 weeks. The youth are out in big numbers and those in the country are looking for way out. Elderly are armed and moral is low.

            2 – International support for the sanctioned regime? The regime protested Ethiopian incursions in 2012 to UNSC and its letter was promptly put to the trash bin and it was slapped with more sanctions there after.

            3 – Heavy armaments? The regime is followed all across the world for importing second hand trucks used by the Norwegian military, let alone to import and procure millions of dollars worth of armaments.

            4 – Regional rare guard from the Sudan? Ask Molla Asghedom. I will even go farther by reminding you that when IA, Al Bashir, and the Qatari leader inaugurated the Kessela road soon after Qaddafi was ousted, Al Bashir told the crowed in front of IA that he was helping the Libyan opposition that did the job with arms. Qaddafi and Al Bashir were meant to have been friends for an outside observer.

            5 – An economy that will support a large scale conflict and mass displacements? During the final offensive of Ethiopia in 2000, upto 1.2 million Eritreans were displaced internally and externally. Eritrean economy is dependent in black market now unlike in 1998. Black market routes are easy to cut off and hard to run to supply the populace under fast changing dangerous situation. The closure of Sudan Eritrea border will deal a death blow to the economy.

            6 – Diaspora belligerents, YPFDJ and their families? Nah…they like to talk the talk.

            Eritrea will not have a force to project to destabilize Ethiopia. All the forces will be just enough to plunge Eritrea into another Somalia where ISIS, ex-regime hardliners, regionalist militia will fight it out. If the regime is the greatest organized force in the country right now and is incapable of dealing with Ethiopia, why would any lesser force be thought to have a better luck. Can you outline exactly who and how an Eritrean force will cause Ethiopia’s disintegration?? The TPDM saga, I think, has exposed the real limitations.

          • Volte Face

            Hayat called the day too soon. She should have seen this one.

            I bet you Semere will not reply to this one because facts are facts and what you wrote above, HTG, is the absolute facts on the ground in Eritrea. The clouds are really ominous and unless we get our acts together, specially, the diaspora opposition as you call them, we can have a major chaos on our hands very soon.

            This is exactly what I was saying earlier about Eritreans being real winners in the TPDM saga. TPDM would just be another armed group there in the mix and they could get on a shooting spree if the scenario you described above came to fruition. It seems like a matter of when rather than a matter of if.

      • Dear Semere Tesfai,
        C’mon, you know very well that Woyane (rather Ethiopia) cannot do such a thing today, despite what they say for political or propaganda reasons. Words are words, and they have no weight. When they could have done it, during the 1998-2000 war and when they were only 50 km away from Asmara, they did not do it. They had their own reasons; I hope, the most important being the bloodshed that could have been horrifying. If you remember well, the echelon of the PFDJ regime, of course, DIA being the first, had the engines of their airplanes, helicopters and boats running, ready to leave the country.

        There is no excuse whatsoever to undertake such measures now, provided PFDJ does not provoke Ethiopia by starting another crazy war. If there had not been the civilian factor then, and the army had a way to push on without civilian casualties, Eritrea would have been a free country and Eritreans a free people today under a normal government, enjoying the fruits of freedom and prosperity, and not languishing under the worst type of dictatorship of modern times.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Horizon:

          “If there had not been the civilian factor then, and the army had a way to push on without civilian casualties, Eritrea would have been a free country and Eritreans a free people today.”

          The last thing we Eritreans want is to be “liberated” by Woyane’s Ethiopia or any Addis regime for that matter. Please stay away from Eritrea and Eritreans. Liberate your people if you can.

          • Dear Semere Tesfai,
            Please, tell that to the 3000-5000 Eritreans who disprove you by crossing into Ethiopia and Sudan every month. Tell it to those Eritreans that would be happy to see Ethiopian intervention. The young are telling you to get off their back; and because they do not have the means to stand and fight the regime, they have chosen to live in refugee camps in neighboring countries (>150,000 in Ethiopia alone), or brave the deserts and high seas, than suffer in the Eritrea you created. Soon, thanks to the regime you so fervently support, Eritrea will end up being the land of the old. Compared to Eritreans under PFDJ, Ethiopians are a free people.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello dear Pappi and dawitom
    (I will bundle you guys up because you love each other so much)
    So, the main pillars of my ማይ ዘይጠዓመ ሰበር ዜና of yesterday have been collaborated by the current leader of TPDM (demHit)T
    1. That this was a result of an internal fight; that Mola’s escape was not a year’s long intelligence relation with Mola, as EBS and its subcontractor Ethiopia First guy want us to believe but an “adrenaline driven fight for your life” epoch . My background compels me to admire him. Because in such acts there is no chances for hesitancy. If you started playing with a fire you better play it well, and he seemed to have done that quite well. It seems the plan developed in his mind within days, he might have confided to his long friends who had been complaining of PFDJ handling…etc., and pulled it off when he thought his freedom was compromised. The current leader of TPDM said that Mola was about to be replaced in the coming organizational congress; that Mola had admitted to matters of mismanagement and other issues (the speaker was blaming the shortcomings of Mola on capacity issues). The Ethiopian government went ballistic about this, uncharacteristic of intelligence community tradition because I believe they have no assets of similar nature in Eritrea. Therefore, its political importance outweighed the patience of completing the interrogation of Mola in a strict and professional manner.
    2. The above also collaborates what my seber ziena source said about the rivalry between Mola and another faction within demHit that went for quite some time.
    3. The current leader also collaborated the most crucial point which that the battle broke out from within demHit in hot persuit of Mola faction once it was discovered. He said EDF units were not involved (he could say that but border units were involved sometime in the later stage of the battle per my source), but the point is the battle was between the main demHit and Mola’s faction.
    4. Saleh Younis brought in very likely possible circumstantial evidences, his analysis is remarkable. Please factor it in.
    5. Pappi to come to your point that a higher military personnel must have been involved, I say it is extremely unlikely. Here is why:
    a/ Ethiopia would have never talked about it this way unless all the assets have been “evacuated” including this Eritrean. If so we will hear about it.
    b/ Countries divide their intelligence assets broadly in to two sections (please don’t take it as if I am trying to educate you about this; I know your pedigree, so this is just for discussion)
    Offensive oriented : target foreign countries and assets.
    defensively positioned: protect the nation from foreign intelligence and internal terrorism and unrest…crimes…
    Organizations such as demHit and others are monitored around the clock. Spies are implanted as demHit tegadelti and in many number, distributed in a manner they cover it all. Their activities are monitored electronically and physically. This is not to say Ethiopia could not penetrate it, but it is easy for the professionals to reverse track it all and this is why Ethiopia would have never talked about it this way. It is very difficult to see such a hastily arranged escape plan could have pulled of the excision of all planted cells to safety. Please read this in addition to yesterday’s Hateta of how it did not look as long thought after plan looking into the escape fashion (from a purely operational regard).
    6. As I said surely this is a huge frustration for PFDJ, but I don’t think this is the end of demHit, as much as I would like its departure. As I se it, it’s too hated in the country. Besides, if one can not make the impression on its people for these many years, it just loses its reason of existence. I’m sure Tigreans know how to fight oppression if they want to do it. Let them do it when they feel so in their own soil by their own resources.
    7. Yet we are still losers, not for the failure of IA disastrous plans but for the price we are paying in terms of moral deterioration (people think demHit is more favored than their own EDF), international sanctions (part of the toothless sanction is because of the presence of organizations such as demHit in our soil without our consent (through our elected government), and the stress these parasites cause on our meager resources….
    wodeHankm
    Sorry, I wanted to bundle many ideas because I’m under time pressure, and am not really following all the inputs.

    • dawit

      Dear Mahmuday The Field Marshal and The Prime Minister Husband, Ex EPLF Fighter, Father and Head of the household ,…
      I can understand with all the responsibilities you have and the time is a constraint. Soon you may have titles long enough like the late Leader of Uganda, whose title covers half a page and newscaster has to read all of it, before he gets to the news! Here is some of it that I remember
      “His Excellency, President of the Republic of Uganda, Commander in Chief of The Armed Forces of Uganda, The Chancellor of Makerere University, The Current Chairman of Organization of African Union. Field Marshal, Al Haji Dr. Idi Amin Dada sent a letter to the Queen of England, regarding South Africa as his responsibility as Chairman of O.A.U. followed by copies sent to Secretary General of UN, Commen Wealth, Non-Allied Movement , Arab League, OAU etc and various presidents US, Canada, France, China, England etc. .
      As usual I am impressed by your Military and Intelligence of the current seber zeina. As PIA would say we are at the tip of the iceberg (Chaf Enba-bered) of the story. Thanks for that and we will discover the rest of it as time progresses.
      Cheers
      Dawit

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hello dawit
        This is a revenge to the diversion we have found ourselves too. I hoped folks would come back to the article Semere wrote which is more important to Eritreans than Mola’s escape. But I saw the forum chasing Ethiopian fabricated news of decimating Shaebia’s army. That’s what made me look for people who could have better information and who happen to be close to the proximity. There is one more Seber Ziena:
        It is said that some of the demHit army that made it to the Sudan did not even know the exact mission of their movement. I don’t know but I hear there were people who were taken at gun point. As told to me:
        “ዝተጨውዩን ንተልእኾ ከም ዝኸዱ ዝነበሩ ዝተሓበሮም ክልተ ጉጅለታት እዮም ነይሮም።”
        * This is a person who is situated to get information of reliable quality.
        I remember: ጓድ መንግስቱ ሃይለማሪያም የ ኢሕድሪ ፕረሲደንት፡ የኢሰፓ ዋና ጸሃፊ፡ የጦር ሓይሎች ዋና ኣዛዥ፡ የኢሕድሪ ምክር ቤት….

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Mahmud
          I am glad you noticed that dawit never talks about Sep 18, he skips that date as if it does not exist

    • saay7

      Hala Mahmuday:

      You seber zena has the least amount of “spin” from all the versions I have heard since Friday. I have a friend who came up with the most fantastic: that this is part of Herman Cohen’s attempt to normalize US friendship with Eritrea. Isaias can’t kick out the Ethiopia opposition but if he can make them leave…. He is reading this so: don’t quit your day job.

      Everybody in this drama played their part: Molla was a patriot who could no longer stomach Isaias’s evil machinations because he loved his country too much. In his interview, if he mentions seeing evil Arabs, he is instantly a hero (Exhibit: refer to any post by Eyob, KH, Abi…..) TPDM-qetsl (like that? Like Sagem Qetsl) can say it dropped dead wood and it is now invigorated. Isaias can say he doesn’t interfere in internal affairs of Ethiopian opposition so he has no knowledge (ኣነ ብዛዕባ ዚ ዝፈልጦ የብለይን.)

      The nuttiest–and one without any benefit to Ethiopia at all–was the announcement by its Anti-Terrorism Unit which read that long implausable explanation on its Operation Humera: at once describing something highly improbable and something badly executed and inviting questions of “who is a terrorist? and who is a patriot?”

      saay

    • Papillon

      Dear My Own Private Prime Minister Mahamuday,

      I still think under your leadership Eritrea will be number one in Africa in the true sense not like Isaias’ ajewjew but I will have to pass on this one for you are too clever for your own good. I don’t buy your take of the events. Are you saying that the exchange of year long intelligence between Mola and the Ethiopian government is a bogus? To what end really? And are you saying that there was a fall out between Mola and the other alleged fuction and all of a sudden the Ethiopians let him cross without knowing anything at all? Why is G7 quite about it exept one dude who sounds more like an Eritrean gave a vague interview with VOA. I say let’s wait and more will come out in the days ahead. I still believe with what Mola himself had to say in the video interview, the rest is a typical wishful thinking laced with a spin you would like to hear.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Pappi
        It’s all tezaweri mekina tezaweriye….
        Having said that, we are applying what we think had happened based on:
        * what we get from whatever sources we get, in my case a human source
        **related circumstantial evidences
        ***what governments typically do in similar situations; just like you would ask yourself how a typical professional of your peer would act in a certain situation that you find yourself baffled about …So, I am saying that he had internal problems; he had been pitted in a bitter rivalry within the leadership; he knew his days were numbered as a leader; and he decided to bolt out.
        ****I put other unexplainable behaviors and unorthodoxies about the narration the Ethiopian government gave regarding its “year long” intelligence works and how unlikely it is if you scrutinize it (details are in the previous two Hatetas); why Ethiopia did not mobilize its assets to safeguard Mola’s retreat route if it was really planned (remember Mola called Ethiopia after he had surrendered to the Sudanese border post and after he was swiftly taken to a safe place (this is confirmed from an Eritrean who has friends in the Sudanese border post that Mola had surrendered at); I mean we are talking about an extremely high value asset….Ethiopia knows Sudanese security posts and units are highly compromised…they would never have done that if they had planned this.
        This is what makes me believe my source:
        TPDM current leader’s short answers almost fit my source’s account. I wrote the first entry last night, and the TPDM leader gave his short account today, almost 12 hours after my entry of the comment.
        At the end, no one will, for sure, be able to know exactly what happened. Because the beefy ones will remain secret, and instead, they will tell us fictitious James Bond type of stories. Those who want to believe Mola will believe his heroic accounts and those who don’t want any of those liar politicians will deploy their analytic arsenal and try to read between the lines. So, I agree as we go forward we may hear more lies and you know it is the curiosity that erupts in us to disprove liars that lead us to enlightenment. So, pappi, let’s wait. I don’t possess the hard truth to tell you a definitive plot of the action.
        I do agree with you though with regard to the message that it sends, and I really hope it is true that this organization is gone, although I suspect Chaff-nayti-embabered Tray eyu keydu zelo.

  • haileTG

    blood thirsty moron, use your children next time. I know twisted eyes are not good for military besides age, hence leaving you out. The Eritrean blood that you’re addicted on will not be there to assuage your ego anymore, this time your shameless hanefnef has been answered by demhit, soon it will be right between your lazy eyes.

    • Guest

      Hailachen, dehna nesh wey?

      Glad you can take a break from licking Woyanie boots (yea, let us just call it boots :)) and grace us with your reply.

      Now, did you just say “blood thirsty”? ወይ አዛ ዳዋ! Remember, in front of the whole world, you are dancing to the “Demhit, nay shabia serawit indatserarege” tune (true or fiction, regardless).

      By the way, you are a good example as to why Saay should be free. If not for the simple fact that he chose to be grouped as “opposition” you would have been the one he would smack here to woyanie land. Whip you behind good. Actually he did it once. B. slapped you so hard so much so that you went into mourning for few months, remember?

      Keep on dancing, keep on polishing that woyanie shoe. I mean what else can you do? ንሳ እያ አታ ዓቕምኺ ንሳ እያ አታ ክእለትኪ

      • haileTG

        hi disgusting,

        Molla came and told you Eritrea has been RAPED and his vice disputed that and said no, actually she was gang raped. Eritreans in makeshift UNHCR donated food sacks made stage perform for the next round of Lampedusa travelers. The cheap you is OK with that, the cheap hgdefites are Ok with that and theso are the egoistical belligerents are OK since Eritrean blood is cheap. So why don’t you get lost?

  • Araya

    Hi Papillion; why do you get ahead-ach about Ethiopia in general and about Tigryan in particular. Are you married to a dedbit or something like that? if you have a thinking mind, you should admire the strength of the TPDM organization. Even after its founder and the chairman conspired against his own organization and sold his soul, the point is still the organization is standing. this alone should tell you something, if you have something between your ears, that is.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Araya,
      .
      Araya, Araya, Araya, Ar….., The strength of TPDM you admire so much, answer me one question, please.
      .
      Suppose TPDM becomes even more stronger in the future, what is the benefit of it to Araya or Eritrea?
      .
      K.H

  • sabri

    Dear Awaetawyan,

    The issue of Mola Asgedom has been top topic in the last couple of days. Today vise president of DEmhit gave interview to Voa. According to him the clash was among Demhit forces. No Eritrean soldiers are involved in the conflict. Moreover, he said Mola is defected because he was critiqued from inside. Here is the link.

    http://tigrigna.voanews.com/content/mola-ashgedom-tpdm-leader-defected-ethiopia-eritrea-ethiopian-opposition/2963545.html

    On the other side Ginbot 7 has given an official statement. Here is the link.

    http://www.zehabesha.com/amharic/archives/46699

    As you all know the rest of Demhit and Ethiopian government have already given their statements.

    • Stupendous Man

      So Molla Asegdom was critiqued, but nevertheless offered the vice chairmanship position. It doesn’t make sense. And we are led to believe the fighting was internal TPDM skirmish. It means there are no Eritrean border guards anywhere along the Ethio Eritrea or Ethio Sudan boarders. Hmmmm…. I got a diamond mine in Botswana to sell you.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Sabri,
      we are going to hear even more but one thing remains true, this force was there for advantage of PFDJ and PFDJ seems it has lost the big portion of it. most probably, this part of tactic (using Ethiopian position) will never work again for PFDJ.

      Do you really think PFDJ didn’t participate in this war? assume PFDJ didn’t participate but if this force was for PFDJ and half part had fought, indirectly it was the force of PFDJ who fought against Mula group.

      • sabri

        Dear kookobi,

        You are asking me my personal opinion on the issue. I’m still watching and observing. Above, I was just posting the recent I found. Will take sometime to come to any conclusion.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Papillon,

    እዋእ – ነቲ ዘስተብህል ሲ ‘ኮ ባና ብርሃን ካብ ርሑቕ እንዳደመቐ ይረኣ እዩ ዘሎ : – ነቲ ዝሰምዕስ ‘ ኮ ደወል ተደዊሉ እዩ ሓግዩ :: ጉዳያት ካብ ‘ቲ ኣነነት ዝዓብለሎን :ሸይጣን ዝሰረሮን ቁጽጽር ወጻኢ ከምዝኾኑ ጥራይ ኣይኮነን ነስተብህል ዘለና – የግዳስ ብዓብዮ ነቲ ለውጢ ዝብል እሞ ግዳ ኸኣ ኣብ ዕግርግርን ድንግርግርን ዘሎ ከይተረፈ ‘ውን ሃንደበት እናኾይንዎ እዮም ክቅጽሉ :: እቲ ትምኒትን ተስፋን ሰብ ሰላምን ቅሳነትን ክሰምር :- ብኣንጻሩ ሰብ ኩናትን ድኽነትን ቅስሞም እናተሰባበረ ዕርበቶም እናተረጋገጸ እዩ ክኸይድ ::

    መን እዩ “ፍልስፍና ገድሊ ምግስጋስ ስምረት እዩ መባእታ – ምፍንጫል ይወገድ ይወገድ ንኹን ሓንቲ ዋልታ ” ኢሉ ዝዘየመ ከያኒ ? ኢትዮጵያውያን ደጊም ነቲ መሰል ናይ ጠፊኦምን ተጸቂቶምን ዝነበሩ ብሄራትን ብሄረ ሰባትን ብዘይ ገለ ጉልባብን ( መታለሊ ሓደነትን) መሰሎም ብምሕላው ኣብ ብዙሕነት ንዘሎ መልክዕን ቁንጅናን ብምንጽብራቕን – ሓቀኛ ሓባራዊ ሓድነት ምምስራት ዝብል መትከላዊ እምንተኦም ኣብ ዓወት ከይበጽሕን ክብርዕንን ዝተፈነወሎም መጥቃዕትታት ፍንጺም ክሓልፍዎ እንከለው ኢና ንዕዘብ ዘለና :: ገና ኩሎም ተቃውምቲ ሓይልታት ኢትዮጵያ ኣብ ምጥጣዕ እዚ ተፈሊሙ ዘሎ ልምዓትን ምዕባለን ሓበራዊ መርገጽ ክወስዱ ክንርኢ ኢና ::

    እዚ ጥራይ ኣይኮነን እዚ ክልተ ሓው ህዝብታት ዘይተገመተ ጉዕዞ ስልጣነን ፍቅርን ንዓለም ከርኢ እዩ :: ንሕና ኤርትራውያን ኣብ ‘ዛ ሰዓት እዚኣ ሓቲትና ክንምልሶም ካብ ዘለና ሕቶታት ሓንቲን ኣገዳሲትን ዜግነት – ሃገርነት ዝብል ኣምር እዩ :: ከም ዜጋ እዚ ብኣዚዩ መዳርግቲ ዘይብሉ ውሽጣውን ግዳማውን ቁሩቁሳት ዝተረጋገጸ ሃገራውነት ኤርትራ ኣብ ዋጋ ዕዳጋ ዘይኣቱ ምዃኑ ከስመረሉ ይፈቱ :: እዚ ከም ቀዳማይን ነቅ ዘይብልን ባይታ ኩሉ ኤርትራዊ ክኸውን ይግባእ :: እቲ ምንታይ ‘ሲ ቅድሚ ክሉ ፍጡር እዛ ዓለም ነዚ ክውን ንምግባር መስዋእትናን ዘይሕለል መሪር ጽንዓትናን እንፈልጦ ንሕናን ንሕናን ብምዃና :: እዚ መርገጽ እዚ ከምዘይትንከ ዕርዲ ምዃኑ ምስ እነረጋግጽ ኢና ኸኣ ብግዝያዊ ተረኽቦታት ዘይንሰናበድን ብናይ ቀረባን ርሑቅን ተጻብኦ ዘይንሰናኸልን ::

    ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ኣብ ቀረባ እዋን እተርእዮ ናይ ድሕረይ ሳዕሪ ኣይብቆል ተስፋ ቀቢጻዊ ስጉምትታን ክህሉ ምዃኑ ርጉጽ እዩ :: ብኣንጻሩ ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣሕዋትና ኣብ ምጥርናፍ ኩሎም ተቃወምቲ ኢትዮጵያ ኣብ ጉዳይ ህዝብን ሃገርን ኤርትራ ክህልዎም ዝኽእል መርገጽ ክዘናባዕ ይኽእል እዩ – ኢልካ ምሕሳብ ጌጋ ኣይኮነን :: እቲ እንኮ ወሳኒ ግን መርገጽናን ጽንዓትናን ስለዝኾነን ንሶም ‘ውን በዚ መሰረት ስለ ዝጽለዎን ንቁሓትን መስተብሃልትን በዳህትን ክንከውን ይግባእ ::

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam Haw Mahumday,

    I would be remiss if I didn’t tell you how much I appreciated your kind invitation. Meant to reply to you earlier, I couldn’t even find this entry. The Molla Asgedom 600 something comments, err, troops, err, comments suddenly, occupied the Awate Forum:)

    The “beEretrawnet Hawey/Haftey” is ideal definition of Eritrean citizenship. Our mission is to make it working definition of Eritrean citizenship. Tall order; but let us live trying, die trying.

    With respect,

    B’Ertrawnet hawka!

    Ghezae

  • Abi

    Dear Truth
    HaileTG has discussed all your concerns in many of his exchanges with a late awatista by a famous nick Hope ( RIP) .

  • tes

    Dear Awatawyan,

    After weeks of absence I am back. I am happy that such goods news readings of TPDM’s abandoning from the brutal regime in Asmara. Most likely they were the first victims of DIA’s dictatorial power directives. Thanks now Eritrea is FREE from some of the guerrillas and terrorists who lived in the soils of Eritrea.

    Soon the rest will follow including PFDJ.

    With greetings

    tes

    • Ted

      tes, merhaba. You were missed. How is school?

      • tes

        Dear Ted,

        Thank you Ted. I had to close a chapter that I was into. That is why i was away. Now I am back and we will continue on new geo-political landscape analysis.

        @Kokhob Selam:disqus, thank you too. Awate University has walked miles and miles. Very hard to catch-up. Nevertheless I have chosen to start with the blowing wind.

        tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi tes,
      I was also only reading for the last four days unable to post anything due to technical faults. the week was full of good news and bad news. I think one of the good news was about you. welcome back friend.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Prof. tes,
      I was wondering where you and Selam were for a while. I just did not write it. It is nice to hear your ‘voice’ my friend. Welcome back!

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam tes,
      .
      It is good to hear from you. You almost made it to my “Where are they now?” list.
      .
      K.H

  • haileTG

    Dear Truth,

    What more credible evidence can I provide other than the entirety of you comments above. Eritrea isn’t a make or break issue for Ethiopia as things stand. Where as to Eritrea, Ethiopia is THE ONLY reason PFDJ does what it does and the opposition is self paralyzing from reason.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Whether Molla Asghedom and TPDM leadership defected due to Ethiopian intelligence, power struggle or a morning bird whispered in their ears, the fact of the matter is that IA lost his investments in that venture. It is understandable that many ego are bruised not so much for wanting TPDM to hang around longer but for the humiliation it serves to the diaspora belligerence that attach high premium to the Ethio-centric politics of hostilities.

    In the big scheme of things the event isn’t a big deal. All IA needs to do to nurse bruised egos is to re-establish another band of Arbenoch, Torognoch, demsasoch, ager adagnoch… he sure will not need to pay attention to Eritrean crisis, economy and the future of its youth. That is just too costly for him when belligerence pays off well in comparison.

    The real game played by Ethiopia is in the field of hearts and minds within the region (both peoples) itself. Those who rule by morals, rule forever it has been said. We’ve seen how IA’s and the belligerent’s armaments can simply take flight right in front of their eyes. However, an investment in people to people doesn’t take flight. It is solid, it is founded in hard place and it can withstand the test of time and changing fortunes. All that has been invested on Molla is gone for good, yet all that has been invested by Ethiopia on Eritrean refugees be it education, safety and opportunities (however big or small) will never dissipate. It would only appreciate in value over time.

    With that in mind, enjoy the following video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hLLf3JQN7c&list=PLXqwFRqBWfZVMXXaT-JtIw8-1iNXEakRB&index=11

    Regards

  • sabri

    Hi Truth
    I fully agree with you that Saleh Yiunus is the voice of reason and rationality. I have been followingy his writings since the time of tewigahemo serie articles. He is the most affected by the regime in Eritrea. Nevertheless, he managed well to be rational not overshadowed by emotional feelings. I admire his strength, intellectual capacity, his farsightness and his writing skill. A rare quality in the field of Eritrean politics. I wish to see Saay in Eritrea as a good commentator, analyst and columnist. The least I want to see him is as a president or politician

  • sabri

    Hi Truth
    I fully agree with you that Saleh Yiunus is the voice of reason and rationality. I have been following his writings since the time of tewigahemo serie articles. He is the most affected by the regime in Eritrea. Nevertheless, he managed well to be rational not overshadowed by emotional feelings. I admire his strength, intellectual capacity and his farsightness. A rare quality in the field of Eritrean politics. I wish to see Saay in Eritrea as a good commentator, analyst and columnist. The least I want to see him is as a president or politician

  • Amanuel

    Hi Truth
    Thanks for the kind words. As per dawit I have have several correspondence with him. He is kind of “ፈሊጡ ዘስቀጠ”.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi All
    TPLF plays PFDJ once Again:
    True to is pedigree, TPDM and the “T” is for Tigray played the cards dealt to it shrewdly. As usual the loser in this this game of Holdem Poker, a game where the long term winners is not only the one with the best cards, but the one who plays his card well is Eritrea,
    TPDM calculated the odds, both the odds of Ethiopia disintegrating and the odds of PFDJ triumphing and given the facts followed the decision that best benefits themselves, their country and their people.
    First they helped PFDJ wreck havoc in Eritrea by raping, and rounding Erititreas in the streets of their cities, in the same streets where the Dergi raped and murdered Eritreans, in the same neighborhoods where PFDJ raped, tortured and rounded Erititreas and in the same streets where Italians enslaved Eritreans.
    Whether TPDM leaves Eritrea whther it stays put in Eritrea, it is a loss for Eritrea, a country with no one to shephered.
    In the same manner TPLF did before, when they dallied ELF and when the opportunity presented itself, they calculated the odds, looked for their kin and kith in EPLF and abandoned and turned against ELF (Eritrean Liberation Front), in the same manner when EPRDF braved PFDJ’s abuses of its currency, its security, until the time came to abandon it, a fact that hurt IA so much. Now TPDM, in keeping with a long standing tradition of shrewdness, of shepherding your own interests, it seems that the time has come for it to abandon PFDJ, to make up with its own. TPDM came into its own and its own accepted
    I remember the funny exchange between Nitricc, Amde and Abi. It is not verbatim, it is from memory.
    Nitric: the heli were the best holiday gift for Eritrea, wrapped in a nice paper/
    Abi: Eritrea will clean and polish and return the heli to Ethiopia with apology.
    Amde: at the end of the day the heli is still under the Ethiopians, they are safe under Ethiopian hands
    I was going to add to that comment then by saying “mdri ms meseye, seb nab sebu, zbiE nab gerbebu”, but I did not for some reason.
    Now just like for TPDM, my time has come to say it: “mdri ms meseye, seb nab sebu, zbiE nab gerbeb”
    If this news is true and verified, I say “Way to Go TPDM!

    • Amde

      Hi Sem

      You will have to translate what you said for me.

      But thanks for reminding. The next wave will fly out with the helicopter. 🙂

      Amde

      • Semere Andom

        Hi amde;
        here is the exchange I was talking about, I did warn that it was from memory;-)
        Now, here is the verbatim exchange
        Nitricc: “It turns out, X-mass came early for Eritrea, two MI-35 helicopters with skilled pilots, sealed and delivered.”
        Abinet: “Your government will return the aircraft washed, polished and sanitized to the rightful owner with an apology letter signed by his excellency IA.”
        Nitricc: “since we Eritreans are nice, we will give the MI 35 to TPDM.”
        Amde: “That’d be great. Always safer in Ethiopian hands. TPDM is just as Ethiopian as TPLF.”

        • Amde

          Hi Semere

          I did remember the exchange. I want to appreciate your addition but i dont understand Tigrinya. That was why I asked if you could translate for me. I know translations kills the soul of a bon mot sometimes but still..dont deny me the chance to appreciate you more bro.

          Amde
          PS. Ethiopian review is saying 2/3 of the TPDM central committee escaped with Molla. That is a quorum in most organizations.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Amde:
            Sorry I miss understood,

            “mdri ms meseye, seb nab sebu, zbiE nab gerbebu”:
            We have a saying in Tigrinya that goes like that and translation: “when night/darkness falls the hyena seeks refuge in the woods and people join their kin and kith.’ 😉

          • Amde

            Thanks…
            Indeed….

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Brother Semere,
      I am so shocked, I have nothing to say.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Your Fanitness:
        Can you elaborate Sir

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Fanti,
        .
        Fanti, you were exchanging wits with abi once and you light heartedly said, it was your (read Tigray) turn to “rule”. Fair enough, well, part of the payment for “ruling” is these kinds of blind accusations and insults to intelligence.
        .
        There was a time long ago now, when a Somali clan wipes out another, the diaspora elites and those with agendas blame the Shoa Amhara elites for the atrocities.
        .
        Today, when Ethiopia goes into Somalia with military force, all the oppositions everywhere say TPLF went to Somalia. Even the reasonable Eritreans substitute Tigray for Ethiopia, whichever angle they want to frame their targeted message.
        .
        In other words Fanti, buck up, it comes with the territory. You have to stay cool and calm when the pinched souls are buzzing around.
        .
        What is important is the nation is moving forward and the results so far speak well enough to hold your head up. At least one of those Shoa Amhara is here to tell you, carry it with the grace it deserves with humility and determination until the nation is in stable waters.
        .
        These snide remarks or back handed compliments or attribute of all the good, the bad Ethiopia does to Tigray, must be accepted as a genuine compliment by you.
        .
        K.H

        • Eyob Medhane

          KH,

          That is actually deliberate. It is a well thought out calculation to always speak Tigray and Ethiopia separately, among many Eritreans. Both sides, Isayas supporters and those in the opposition. Almost every single time, even, when they think that they are saying something nice, you detect somewhere in what they are saying.. “..beflay hizbi Tigray..” or “..beflay Tegaru..”. Some they don’t do it intentionally, but many do. It’s is a hateful seed that Isayas has planted in Eritrea, so Eritreans see the people of Tigray separately from the people of Ethiopia. To isolate them. That was the idea. I know I said this so many times! and I am sorry for repeating it. But, when, PMMZ passed away, all condolence messages were forwarded to Ethiopians in Tigrigna. As if every Ethiopian speaks Tigrigna or a president of Tigray passed away. Admittedly, many (not all) of did that unintentionally. But I remember a man of good position, who was not a Tigrigna speaker remarked to me, “hummmmm..Eritreans didn’t think that we did not lose a leader and don’t need to be consoled, but only Tigreans lost someone, according to them”.. Those who do it unintentionally, usually do it out of habit lived through Isayas hate propaganda and system. Those who do it intentionally, including Isayas, believe they know Ethiopia and Ethiopians, who they miserably failed to figure out. Per their “knowledge” of Ethiopians, we should have been disintegrated some two decades ago….

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob,
            .
            P.M Meles in one of his interviews after the 98-00 war said that I.A’s poisoning of the relationship of the people is what gives him heart ach.
            .
            I think the problem some of these Eritreans have is instead of isolating Tigreans, they are robustly helping in having the rest of us coming to stand shoulder to shoulder with the brothers.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            There is so much bunk in what you wrote above, it is an embarrassment of riches as to where to start:) I know where, because karma is a b*&ch let me start here:

            (1) what happened to all the condolences letters that were composed in Tigrinya that Ethiopian TV didn’t read while it read FOREIGN English letters? Did it burn them? Are they stored somewhere? Wey enie wey enie wey enie, all those letters written in Tigrinya based on Geez which predates Arabic the language of the savage Arabs. Zeraf zeraf etc etc.

            (2) Before we found out that the late Meles Zenawi was Manchurean candidate and he started using phrases from Occupiers Handbook (we will teach them a lesson they will never forget, Assab will be a watering holes for camels), we considered him one of ours. He, not Isaias Afwerki, was our Consoler-in-chief (he was the one who told shell-shocked, grieving Eritreans not to scratch their wounds after independence) so we wrote him in our language, Tigrinya. So that was supposed to be not a way to separate him from the rest of Ethiopia, but to use a language of intimacy.

            (3) Some of us had written our condolences in Amharic. But years of your teachers grading us on our amharic grammar undermined our confidence. So it is your fault:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            (Sigh) You know, you and I debated this before. There is no way that you can justify of making those condolence messages EXCLUSIVE to only one ethnic group, while the entire nation was in mourning. It just looks bad. Hence, ETV decided to shelf them.. 🙂

            My new all time favorite Eri movie is still my all time favorite. Thanks to Haile. I watched it again the other day and I found a new favorite character in it. The little Shepard. That little kid is just adorable. But, I have found someone I liked even more favorably. Kiros Asfaha. Did you see his interview? Wow! To refute your point, he actually is releasing an Amharic song, because rightly, he wants to communicate to all Ethiopians. Thank you Kiros for making my point… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Listen to ayaka Amanuel Hidrat: people express their joy and sadness in their language: don’t be slighted by it.

            Ah, the little shepherd! He is a metaphor for Eritrea: beautiful outside, but rotten inside due to bad parenting. And Italians. Nothing a little rehab can’t fix by having him follow his cattle to the other side of the Mereb.

            Kiros Asfaha is awesome: he makes, not refutes, my point: the EPLF is awesome; and even within PFDJ it is only a handful of irredeemable people. When I say it, you don’t believe it but Kiros says it, you believe it because he composed a song in Amharic? I will consider that a challenge to sing in Amharic: Kokhob Selam, write me a little poem.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Here is Kiros refuting you,

            Please start listening from 26:50…How we are people of “..the same language, same culture and same religion…”…Tell me how what he is saying different than that wonderful movie… 🙂

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVjCa9QrXI

          • saay7

            Hey Eyobai:

            I know Tigrinya is a second language to you and you are struggling with it:) But, of course, every people in Africa divided by colonial borders see themselves as one, so there is nothing earth-shattering about him saying “same language, same culture, and same religion.” Just the “we” is a subset of Eritrea and a subset of Ethiopia.

            Here’s where Kiros refutes you and the psychology sofa you carry with you as you psychoanalyze us: he very narrowly defines who is responsible for Eritrea’s misery. Hint: it is not Italian colonialism, it is not superiority complex, it is not Ghedli, it is not Arabs, it is not our belligerence, it is not a “system.” It is 4-5 people. This is what I meant by he agrees with my assessment of Eritrea’s problem. I don’t agree with his “they must die for Eritrea to get justice”; I would go with “they must not be in a position of power.” But I understand where his anger is coming from. It is less than 2 minutes because I Miniliked (chopped) it for you:)

            http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6867550

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I am going to call Abi to judge this…

            Abi, where are you? Please you are very much needed to be on my side.. 🙂

            This gentleman, (Kiros Asfha) is a well regarded Eritrean singer, who decided to come to enat hager. And in an interview that he has given in Ethiopia he said the following in my version of chopping starting on 25:00..

            He was asked what he would do to strengthen the relationship between the two people, he answered,

            “…They tricked us. They filled us with arrogance. They made us say ‘we are powerful, we are rich, whatever’. We used think that. I used to think that. ‘No one can dare to touch us. We are the strongest. Our economy is the the best’. We are humiliated. We are embarrassed…….Ethiopian govt. works for its development, Eritrean govt. works for destroying its own. They fought all of our neighbors. Then, they (the neighbors) let it know it’s limit. They (the Eritrean govt.) doesn’t have any strength whatsoever. It’s strength is just arrogance……When Ethiopians received us, the Ethiopian soldiers, who were starved for peace, the people especially the people of Tigray, they treated us, as if we are kings. When we come to Endabaguna (refugee receiving center) they have given us the due respect. We got embarrassed about it. ….the main thing is that we are one people. In language, in culture, in religion, the Ethiopian people are the closest we have in THE ENTIRE WORLD…….even we look like. We are the same blood….and I plan to highlight this…….Since, I was born during Mengistu Hailemariam era, I do speak Amharic and so, I have a new Amharic song that will come out soon…” Then he sand few seconds of his upcoming Amharic song for few seconds….

            And, at the beginning of his interview, he threw couple of lines to make people like Sal happy, he said “…EPLF and PFDJ are two different things and EPLF is popular force and did what it was set out to do that is lbringing independence…”

            So you judge. Which one makes my point more? My version or Sal’s version? You don’t really have to be fair, because I labored so hard to translate my version, because my Tigrigna is almost non existent…and my labor should be counted… 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Eyobay,

            I believe all countries convey their condolences either by their own language or by one of the international languages. Why are you taking it as big deal, when Eritreans either their government, or organizationally, or on individual bases had conveyed it by “tigrigna? Is that really big deal? Please let us look forward to heal the wounds of the two brotherly people.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Dearest KH,
          I now understand how tough it must have been for you, hahaha.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Semere Anbessa Andom,

      Never mind the Abi style semna werk in almost every sentence, never mind the attempt to Tigranize the whole experience of the last 40 years, never mind the attempt to free ELF, EPLF, and PFDJ from any guilt, but the following line amazed me beyond my wits.

      “In the same manner TPLF did before, when they dallied ELF and when the opportunity presented itself, they calculated the odds, looked for their kin and kith in EPLF and abandoned and turned against ELF…”

      Before I continue, can you swear then that:

      1) EPLF did not create TPLF

      2) EPLF did not start training TPLF until TPLF realized who its kin was (roughly 1979).

      and then answer:

      1) What was the opportunity TPLF found in EPLF but not in ELF to cause it switch allegiance?

      2) Are you aware what the relationship between Sihul and Idris Awate was when they were both, more or less, shefatu?

      3) Are you more disappointed by PFDJ’s gullibility or by the Tigreans’ opportunism?

      Semere, what in the world is wrong with you? At least Gheteb throws in a song or two when he slanders Tigraway, yours is unbelievable.

      I will give you a little more headache tomorrow, but this is enough for now. If I sense any amount of dishonesty in your clarification of my questions, I will give you a headache for a week!

      • Semere Andom

        Dear Fantiness: I do not mind headhache from you

        I think you misunderstood:

        This comment is in line with my long standing beiieve that when the Tigriyan fight with the Eritreans, the later will lose hands down, From Al-Ula to the the alliance with ELF then EPLF then with the 1998 war and the last master piece, TPDM’s defection, we are approaching the finale. That is what I was talking about. The Eritrean’s with their advanced forks an screwed drives, they have always lost.

        I am not disappointed with neither PFDJ’s guilibity nor Tigreanss opportunism.By the way I do not call it Tigreans’s opportunism, I call it their master piece. I like both the guilibity (stupidity) and the “opportunism”
        And about the following:
        “In the same manner TPLF did before, when they dallied ELF and when the opportunity presented itself, they calculated the odds, looked for their kin and kith in EPLF and abandoned and turned against ELF…”
        I never absolve EPLF and ELF from any guilty, it is my believe that the reason TPLF chose EPLF over ELF was because of “sigasi entwdeqet hamid tHiz”, the same way I believe the so called second and unity congress was not unity, but a vulture business deal and has regional overtones in it. Tkilfe disagreed with the first and Mahmud disagreed with both with me in summer 2014. And Sal criticized me at length for calling TPLF masters who play Eritreans at every transaction when the time is right
        I am disappointed at you for comparing me with Gheteb in slandering the Tigraway. I was not called half Dedebit and all the names for slandering a Tigraway, I was not offered full Dedebit citizenship from Rahwa T for slandering the Tigraway, you have not read me.
        Youe homor Jusw Saleh AA Younis, maybe we approach your bench?
        What is wrong with you today Fantiness, you misunderstanding every sentence of my comment?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Semere ANBESSA,
          I will read it again tomorrow, but Nitricc gave you an up vote, shouldn’t that mean something?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Semere il Gatto,

          Lucky for you I am not detecting any deception in your reply. However, I found what I hoped to find in this one and that is, like many Ethiopians and Eritreans, you honestly do not know the true nature of the ELF/EPLF/TPLF early relationships. So, I am recanting some of my earlier accusations, but you are guilt of something. At the minimum, insensitivity.

          The relationship between those three fronts and others was solely based on political ideology. The TPLF – EDU war of mid-late-seventies should have given you an idea of TPLF’s mentality of that era. The one and only key feature why TPLF leaned toward EPLF was ideology. You have no idea how feudal ELF used to look to us at the time.

          I hope my Gheteb statement pinched you the way your “when the opportunity presented itself” did. If that is the case, we can start over.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Fanti:
            Also to complement you can read my reply to Sal today. Also stay tuned Sal is writing “a primer on iSem”:-). I like to give him hard time not that is bad but just because I can get away with it and also he gets it, most of the time, except the time before he threated to retire he developed exceptional misunderstanding of my comments and I kept prefixing my them ” this is a joke”
            I understand what you are saying about the relationship between our fronts and TPLF but the feudal nature of ELF was not part of the TPLF/ ELF saga. You sounded Abay Woldusque 🙂
            ELF was feudal only until 1970, after that university students from Addis, Asmara and the middle east joined and it emerged a vibrant national, inclusive, caring front that guarded the national interest of Eritrea at the forefront. It displayed myopic policies, grew fast, its plate was full, becoming jack of all trades and mastering none of them, disorganization was its organization.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Semere,

            I know about the changes that were taking place almost ground up, but In the late 70s, whenever TPLF leadership needed to discus important issues with ELF leadership, almost always, they were told that “the leaders are not here”; which was true. Almost all of them lived in Arab countries not as a one time trip but more like as a permanent address. So, what that looked like to us TPLFites at that time was that ELF definitely was a feudal organization. To make maters worse, they supported EDU. What more proof do we need? Anyway, Abay Woldusque? Is he that good?

          • Amde

            Fanti

            Why wouldn’t the fact the leaders lived in Arab capitals get the organization characterized as Arab rather than Feudal.

            Would someone living in Baathist Damascus be classified the same as someone living in the Kingdom of Kuwait?

          • AOsman

            Dear Amde,

            Fanti is trying to explain their detachment, as usual like some Ethiopians here you smelled the Arab coffee :). Maybe they should have settled in Addis!!!

            Ah by your logic, what do you call the Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia?

            The funny one that I read today was, the condolence in Tigrigna when Melles died……I mean some Eritreans forgot to say it in Amharic…lol, good the guy does not read Arabic, we would have been accused of worse.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Amde

            Hi AOsman

            Yes. It is true – I did smell the Arab. What of it? They were wined and dined on Arab money in Arab capitals, and as they say, he who pays the piper picks the tune. This should be uncontroversial today, when Kuwait was sending weapons by the shipload out of the goodness of their hearts during the Ghedli, but is doing diddly squat to help Eritrea or Eritreans today.

            Please note Fanti did not say Sudan or Somalia, neighbors whose geographical proximity was conducive for the effective leading of the cause. The presence of Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia cannot be seen any differently: they are optimally located for leading the fight and plus nobody questions their identities as they are for the most part ethnically kith and kin with Ethiopians.

            You chose to interpret his characterization as “detachment”. Let me ask you, how is “detachment” an ideological/political trait to be termed “Feudal”? Being an absentee landlord is not necessarily a good thing, but an absentee warlord is even worse. But that is just bad management, not an ideological condition.

            In any case it was an irrelevant question on my part, a historical oddity. If you must know, I was too young to be involved in the student movements, rebellions, intra-left wars etc, and now that I am older I find it interesting to find out why people thought what they did. During the Red Terror there were young couples shot dead for displaying what was termed “Jolly-Jackism” when all they did was walk hand-in-hand. Or girls for wearing skirts considered a bit too short. That is just one of many mind blowingly tragic things done through ideological justification.

            I am sure TPLF had many more reasons to call ELF “feudal” than just the GPS coordinates of where the leaders chose to pitch their tents. I find Saleh Johar’s discussions on the Tigre language immensely helpful in understanding the class divisions underneath the ELF movement. Just on that score I get a lot of insight and understanding of why ELF could be considered Feudal.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            In those days, ruling from a comfortable chair meant only one thing: feudalism! Western Eritreans are fluent in Arabic, so the fact that the ELF leaders chose to live in Arab countries was not an issue. Besides, most migrations of that generation was toward Arab countries no mater where one was from.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Fanti Ghana,

            Stop this old bullshit lies in this decent website. You are not here to play your division card on the Eritrean political issue. We have debated on this issue, and actually you heard a testimony by our comrade Habteghiorighis who was a member of the committee (on the ELF side) which was dealing with the grievances of both organizations (ELF and TPLF) at that time.

            Awate Team,

            I am sensing actually at this time that the Ethiopians (except Amde and Horizon) are here in this forum to play a political game to create a friction between the Eritrean people. I hope you are noticing it. The only thing Ethiopians can participate in this forum is, anything on geopolitics of the horn, and anything that brings peace and normalization between the two countries. Other than that, the Eritrean domestic politics can only be dealt by the Eritreans. They are not here to tell us what we will do about our domestic politics. ELF and EPLF irrespective their political differences, they are our national and historical treasures. Period. I hope AT to make a kind of rules that delineate where Ethiopian and Eritreans can debate, and when Eritreans can only debate on their issues. I am not against the presence of Ethiopians in this forum, but they must know their limits when they are in this Eritrean website.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. Amanuel,

            “Stop this old bullshit lies in this decent website. You are not here to play your division card on the Eritrean political issue.”

            With all honesty Mr. Amanuel, I don’t see how I appear to you as creating division among Eritreans from my post above or any of my posts at any time. If you do find me mistaken, it can only be just that; a mistake. I am correctable.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma
            I’m glad I did not miss this important message. I’m really concerned to see this forum becoming the festering bed of Ethiopian belligerence. I’m caught between focusing on issues that matter to me most, which are purely Eritrean concerns, and fending off onslaughts coming on the Eritrean person disguised as and wrapped in accusations “against” PFDJ. The thing is we are able to discern what constitutes as directed to PFDJ and what makes up the transgressions done against the nation.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I read very ordinary and low lines from yours. I hope you will come clean from this stupid and silly points you made. This is totally against our history and we can’t simply ignore it.

            Because you are a respected and man of good soul, I would ask you to rethink on your lines. If not it is against our own identity and personally I will not leave you to gallop. It is a big shame to read such from you.

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello tes
            Welcome professor and congratulations on your achievements. Well, FG is on high gears these days, God bless his heart. TPLF contact would have been after 1975, after the second national congress, and by that time ELF leadership was not only in Eritrea, but was administering cities, provinces and was conducting wide spread and intensive battles. But…but…it’s the Mola Effect. Again, welcome back.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            I thank you so much again and again. I was delighted to read your message on my FB. The chapter that I was into has been closed successfully. And thank you for welcming me.

            If Fanti Ghana was in such high and wrong mood, there must be something wrong with him. if that is so we have no option but to bury him. Awate University is only for those who are living.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes. I was going to respond to Aman H but he seemed pissed off so, I didn’t. But my point is, why not confront Fanti with Evedence, point and facts than shaming him In blanket. I don’t think Fanti was in ELF and he is telling what was told and what he heard, so, in my book, there is nothing wrong for Fanti expressing what he knows. It does not mean he is right however it your job to confront Fanti with facts and Evedence. He is simply telling what he knows. What wrong with that?
            Nice to see you back.

          • tes

            Dear Nitricc,

            As always confused. It is no wonder though as you are urdent supporter of PFDJ. You have no clue who Eritreans are and it is simply an argument for you what Fanti Ghana wrote. Thank you though for your welcoming.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes, I thought there was a reason we called it, the University of Awate. Teach me, I am willing to learn and you have the obligation and the duty to inform. Sir!

          • tes

            Dear Nitricc,

            If you had a piece of mind that was able to be learned by now you could have stand for justice. Yet you are protecting killers. You have lost you humanity since the beginning. And if I say this and that it is simply an argument for you. I wonder when are you going to come-out from your amateurish mindset.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hey Tes, I am amazed at your simplicity. Think about those innocent TPDM fighters who were taken by the one they believed he was stood for justices . Them too thought Molla Asgodom was a fighter for justice. And he sold them to the devil. You are too trusting.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Prof. tes,
            Mr. Amanuel even went farther and accused me of dividing Eritreans earlier, and now you are saying I am saying something contrary to Eritrean history. So, one of you displeased is serious enough, but both of you taken together, it is a scripture. So, I am listening. What part of what I said is contradictory to the true history.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            To be honest, everything you wrote is not only contradictory but an absolute wrong. You are a respected man and stay respected. You can’t tell us that ELF is a feudal organization. I kindly request you to read what you wrote. It is against what you were saying before. I don’t know what happened with you during my absence though Mahmud Saleh is giving me something to stay alerted.

            I kndly ask you to refrain from such statements. It is the same statement made by EPLF and then PFDJ that is keeping us fighting.

            To repeat, you are absolutely wrong. I can’t believe even myself when I write this to you though.

            tes

  • dawit

    correction: Don’t Stop the Party!! Another seber zena , after the sweeping of Shabia army Gash Saleh is negotiating with Comrade Molle on the smooth transfer or power in Eritrea. Report from Asmara, indicate PIA no sorry, real sorry DIA has left Asmara to undisclosed location in Eritrea. !9,200 DemHit army is searching for him. They are searching under bridges throughout Eritrea. and dam sites.

  • dawit

    Dear Papillon,
    Why do you want the party. It just began, are you not happy Molle’s ragtag army swept ‘ye-shabian torr’ We Eritrean should celebrate the victory, Thanks to Mollee and Ethiopian Intelligence, Shabia has been swept from Eritrea,. I guess Gash Saleh has gone to Humera, to interview Gash Molle, how he managed to weed out or swept Shabia! in one day!
    Cheers!

  • L.T

    I read Rezene Habte second article the other day and he accused Selih Kadi to push Islam in Ertra though Islam was born in Ertra before Rezene(the comedian Wedi Pilipo Girmai callad him “Fekis”:-)born in Ertra?or how Salih brother?If anyone has asked me to choose between Salih and Molla I say straight out that Salih is my cousin.Who wasaid Tegaru is my cousin than a Eritrea civic?but I see here that they I mean Tegaru danced about something horrible happening in Ertra.So show them the nice one thing side of Ertra so they ‘ll hang themselves.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Saay,
    Here are the authenticate words from the horse’s mouth and the real scene.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deJBpTyy5BI&feature=youtu.be

    • saay7

      Selamat Hayat:

      Thank you. Now because this “interview” was conducted by a person who barely hear of DeMHT to the extent he calls them DeHMT, is a shrill and a shill for the EPRDF, we don’t know the answers to our questions:

      1. How many TPDM forces are left in Eritrea? Is what has escaped a tiny faction or the bulk of the group?
      2. In all that “talks” with the Ethiopian government, were you doing anything other than negotiating the terms of your surrender? Did you have radio communications problem with your confederates? Did you have a compass as you shot your way out West instead of South?
      3. What changed a year ago in PFDJ land that gave u sudden clarity that it has ill intentions on Ethiopia?

      So, in other words, let’s wait for a real journalist who knows how to interview. Like VOA Amharic or VOA Tigrinya service (remember the dude who interviewed Aboy Sebhat?) Or you could celebrate early.

      saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Saay,
        I was going to say, those points you raised are my points as well until I read your exit line. Why do you have sometimes to shoot your way out like Molla? It is not like I’m standing on your way to Asmara:)
        Seriously though, those who want to celebrate have a lot of reasons to celebrate, it is not like a fluid situation where the victor has to wait until things settle down. Com’n Saay, the cross over of Molla is enough to celebrate for those who welcome it, and mourn for IA. Those of us who have misgivings with IA must also celebrate to an extent we wanted him to be weak. So, you and me should be part of the celebration for a slightly different reason than the Ethiopians.
        I agree with you the interviewer is so clumsy and and repulsively tattering. I think he is good on the documenting and archiving events than rest part of journalism. But he seems to be a moving guy and his ubiquitous presence is amazing.
        I thing your 1& 2 questions are answered. You can infer that the main force is out. And you can infer that if he was talking to the Ethiopian authorities, it goes without saying that he was passing infos as that must be the primary interest of the authorities and he had no motive to hold back what he knew.
        Q3 needs to be answered by him.
        Hayat

        • Dear Hayat A,
          This is a big blow to TPDM and a fiasco as much as DIA’s grand scheme is concerned. The leaders and the ranks and files of the movement will find it difficult to trust each other anymore, and DIA will lament that he invested on a group of people who could never have brought any result. I pity people like BN and others who might find themselves under house arrest by PFDJ or worse. I think that this is the beginning of the end of the unholy marriage between the two groups. DIA cannot trust his mercenaries, and from now on, he will find it difficult to trust his generals. At old age, dictators end up the loneliest and the most scared creatures. That is the fate of all dictators.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            What you are saying is

            Kemote anbessa likiskis wusha yishalal.

        • saay7

          Selamat Hayat:

          I guess we are looking at two different DeMHTs when you offer your prescriptions for who should welcome it and who should mourn it.

          I am talking about the DeMHT that:
          (a) the UN’s Somalia Eritrea Monitoring Group estimate at 20,000 strong. These guys:
          https://youtu.be/ANLgxokrJW8
          (b) was part of round-up campaigns in Asmara in 2013 resulting in altercations with Asmara youth resulting its banishment to Harena and Western Eritrea;
          (c) joined three other Ethiopian organizations with great fanfare just on September 7 to created a united front.
          (d) On September 11, just four days after the “unity” party, its chairman along with 600-800 followers crossed to SUDAN after engaging in skirmishes in Hamdait (mid-point between Goluj and Omhajer) with border patrol and then was forced to change its path from heading south via Humera, to heading West into Sudan.
          (e) The Ethiopian government is telling me that:
          (e.1) That DeMHT has essentially packed up and left Eritrea.
          (e.2) That Molla decision and timing has nothing to do with his demotion from chair to vice chair 4 days earlier;
          (e.3) That it has been in constant communication with the Ethiopian government and its move of September 11 was co-ordinated with the Ethiopian government
          (e.4) That it engaged and defeated “shaebia” forces as it marched on its return to Ethiopia, SudanEthiopia.
          (e.5) That all the announcements that DeMHT had in its website about all its military skirmishes IN THE LAST LAST YEAR ALONE, and PMHD talking about all the “Qtrenoch” who are plotting against Ethiopia did not include the largest armed group

          You are talking about a DeMHT
          (a) that is described to you by Ben from Ethiopiafirst.com

          And that’s why I said go on, celebrate away. But to me, the scenario the Ethiopian government presented is fictitious. And it is the kind of fiction that the PFDJ will be able to counter by showing a video of massive gathering of DeMHT.

          saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Indeed Saay, good points and you are right we’re looking at two different DeMHTs. But why does it matter? We both don’t need them to overstay in Eritrea. We both see the bad choices of IA and we want him to pay for his mistakes, a kind of payment that leaves him weaker and humiliated. Why is that not good enough for you and me to see it as a step forward towards justice and leave IA to mourn alone?
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Selam Hayat:

            Because I don’t have enough to independent information and, unlike you, I don’t consider the FDRE to be a reliable source of information. What if what actually happened was that the PFDJ found out the leadership of DeMHT was a Trojan Horse for EPRDF and that Mola, upon finding out that his gig is up, decided to leave but only managed to take 1/10 – 1/20 of his group and 9/10 – 19/20 decided to stay in Eritrea. In that case, would Isaias be “mourning”?

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            What’s up?
            Whichever way you slice it, IA played it dumb. ( as always)

          • Hayat Adem

            Aha, I hear you Saay: giving IA the benefit of the doubt?
            That is valid but, did he say so? Or you suggest we wait for him until he comes with his version? Did you see any sign of that- that it is a drama IA plaid it out? Does the fanfare up on the formation of the Coalition confirm that?
            Maybe you are right: we better wait until IA admits to us officially. If he doesn’t, we can wait longer. If he still doesn’t, then it must be unbelievable. But if IA comes and says a different story, it should be believable.
            Saay, come on, pick the story from where it is now and give us your analysis on what it means.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Hahaha Hayat:

            That’s funny: giving “IA the benefit of the doubt.”

            I am actually looking at all this from the SEMG standpoint because, as you know, the sanctions language specifically calls on IA to stop hosting Ethiopian/Somali armed groups.

            The Monitoring Group will no doubt go to Molla and interview him. And it will report that IA continues to hosted armed Ethiopian groups in violation of sanctions resolutions. But then it has to ask him on size of his armed group. If he says that it was no more than 2,000, then it has to report it and it has to acknowledge that all its previous reports where it estimated its size as “in the 10s of thousands” or “20 thousand” are off by mile. Previous reports the SEMG did on presence of thousands of Eritrean in Somalia that it recanted subsequently hit its credibility and PFDJ milked that one dry.

            If, on the other hand, Molla says that the size of his armed group was 10,000-20,000, then he and his 800 defectors will look puny and the Ethiopian breathless story of Mission Impossible that it had been co-ordinating with for over a year will appear to be a wild exaggeration, which PFDJ will also milk dry.

            My analysis? I am still in the information-gathering stage, Hayat. Like: why is DeMHT “STILL” in Sudan as the Federal Government negotiations which kilill to put them in (Tigray’s strongman, Abay Woldu, has said NO to resettling them in Tigray) if this was such a well-planned and well-executed mission that Ethiopia told you it was?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey Saay and Hayat,

            When two or more people I admire start a discussion, I usually start to lean to one side by the second exchange and begin my cheering in hiding. This time, I have been saying “she is right” “he is right” so many times that I don’t know where I stand right now.

            Hayata,
            you must admit that there are holes in, at least, the “we were coordinating” part. Based on all the evidences we have so far, it is more likely that they left in a haste, thus, Saay’s PFDJ may have been on to them… cannot be ruled out.

            Saay,
            You must accept this is PFDJ strength minus something; however small.
            Now, either PFDJ can:

            1) Come up with a video showing “19,000+ the main core of TPDM” and keep moral.

            2) Play dead and try to have sanctions lifted now that “Ethiopian terrorist groups” are gone.

            3) Kick the rest of them out, all of them, and blame Ethiopia for accusing it of harboring terrorists although the evidence shows, by its own admission, that they were its own spies. We only allowed them to stay because they claimed they were refugees.

            Both of you and the rest of us,
            1) should ponder why Ethiopia looks un prepared for this home coming and why didn’t PFDJ do more to stop them if they were on to them?

            2) these troops look like runaway school kids than an army who terrorized a whole nation for several years. So, either no terror, or the terrorizer is still there.

            3) Let’s all agree that this is a perfect political landmine for all involved.

            4) Let’s all mourn the border guards, the only victims and heroes in this unfortunate saga.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Fanti,

            The Tigrigna version of the EBC news gives a little better coverage. Someone found out what Molla and his group was about, and the coordination with Ethiopia broke last minute. PFDJ rushed border blockers to Omhajer, hence the detour and the skirmish.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Fanti,

            Is the above note for yourself? It starts with “Hello Fanti” 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Addis,
            Don’t worry; no narcissism intended. I was updating my own post above it, and I had to start with a greeting, because AT did not specify who to greet and who not to greet!

          • አዲስ

            Dear Fanti,

            Oh no. I was not accusing you of narcissism. It was just to poke a little fun. 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY do remember what T-Kifle told you? He told you TPDM was a collection of few people who run away because they are unable to pay their loan they borrowed from the government. Now, the Ethiopian media is calling them Heros. Wow

          • saay7

            Hey Nitricc: T-Kifle didn’t tell it to me but to Haile TG.

            Many among the youth are encouraged to borrow money for some kind of business stratups. In the earlier times the borrowers used to take the money and waste it elsewhere. Some use that money and went to as far as Arab countries or even waste it in wedding or tezkar. When they are pursued for paying back the money they borrowed, they simply cross the border and join TPDM: defaulters turning liberators. Most of the members of TPDM are one way or another in blacklist waiting to face some kind of litigation. But there could few others too that are hoodwinked when the feel they had nothing better to do than that. So politically speaking dimhit is no force that would get traction in Tigrean soil

            http://awate.com/we-the-people-own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-147425

            But you have to be fair to T.Kifle because he had some strong feelings about one of the members of “the Ethiopian media” who has surfaced again with his new version of “Fano! Fano!”

            As far as me is concerned, “Ben’s point of view” is ridiculous even if the news is going to be credible. It’s a cheap propaganda the alleged pilots would smirk at the hearing of the message. It’s totally unacceptable propaganda spin where the government wouldn’t describe the way he described. and you asked the probable explanations given the news is true.

            So leave T. Kifle alone. Somewhere as he is trying to right-ship HH Weyane, he has to learn that “defaulted turned liberators” are EPRDF allies…and he has to hear it from Ben. That’s punishment enough, why do you want to remind him?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Real quick. I was given an explanation about the 20000. TPDM troops on SEMG report. They were mostly conscripts from Akale Guzay and simply were assigned like any other recruits to the TPDM front.You make what ever ypu will,።but to me that is a plausable explanation..

          • Stupendous Man

            I am with you on the “well coordinated defection” that’s being propagated by Ethio government supporters. It wasn’t. I also believe DIA was clueless about Molla’s intentions until the last minute. Regarding the 20,000 TPDM fighters that are supposedly in Eritrea, I am not buying it. It is highly exaggerated number.

          • Pass the salt

            Selam SAAY,
            Your (a) and (b) above are interesting. It is quite a dilemma for the Woyanes. On one hand, they are soo determined to keep the sanctions in place that they wouldn’t want to discredit the SEMG’s Demhit figure. To keep that intact, the message of the dramatic operation must suffer. I think they will sacrifice the latter and find a soft landing for it. Besides its not like they will go back to the TV screen and say “oh, about that”, they can just quietly retire that.

          • saay7

            Selamat PST:

            Interestingly, the PFDJ has the same dilemma as someone else also pointed out. One the one hand, it wants to show that DeMHT and Gnbot 7 are potent forces and nothing has changed with Molla leaving except dropping dead wood. On the other hand, this only brings attention to itself from the Somalia Eritrea Monitoring Group that it is not in compliance with the terms of the resolution to lift the sanctions. My guess is that it will let its affiliates–Madote, TesfaNews, EastAfro, ESAT–showcase the strength of the “invigorated” TPDM/Gnbot.

            Haile TG argues that the documentation in itself–of armed Ethiopian soldiers (video) is an even stronger case that previous photographs of weapons and GoogleEarth maps of training centers. He has a good point. But the PFDJ will maintain that they were in “liberated lands” of Ethiopia and the only TPDM presence is its “cultural troupe.” (Never mind that TPDM’s mailing address is a PO Box in Asmara.)

            saay

          • Asmerom

            Dear Hayat
            As great as saay7 is you have to know that he is not completely cured from his 1998 sickness so please forgive him for trying to change the issue to SEMG report .

          • Stupendous Man

            My first comment.

            saay7,

            Do you honestly believe TPDM has 20,000 member force? (I don’t). Plus you seem to contradict yourself. On the hand hand you suspect Molla Asegidom defected because of power issues. On the other you say DIA found out the gig is up so Molla had no choice but to flee. Which one is it? Why do I feel there is a bit of shaebia still lingering in your heart that makes it harder for you to stomach what’s transpired in the last three days?

          • saay7

            MerHaba Stupendous Man:

            Welcome to awate! This is your first comment? Well, that’s just stupendous:)

            I am just applying Occam’s Razor here: “All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one.” If you tell me that on Monday a Newbie was promoted over a Veteran, and, on Friday, the veteran left, Occam’s Razor says that the veteran was not happy by the decision made–which was NOT democratic, as his constituency is much larger than that of the of Newbie.

            The other one is a speculation. To speculate that Molla Asghedom left after he had been, for over a year, undetected, in The Service of His EhAdeg, is just as likely as he had left right after he was detected. And, applying Occam’s Razor, the way he left–like a refugee heading to Sudan–looks like he was running and in a hurry, and not someone who had planned/co-ordinated something with the headquarters.

            saay

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            As expected trying to deflect the issue on behalf.

            Anyhow, no matter how, it is a big punch to DIA’s 13 years investment and renewal of Ethiopian politics.

            For Eritreans, still the game is to get ride of PFDJ junta. As I said months before, any rebel group who reside in Eritrea is Eritrean enemy. They should get-out as soon as possible.

            tes

          • Stupendous Man

            I think Molla knew BN would be the chairman. The professor wouldn’t abandon his comfy life in America to play second fiddle to Molla. My guess is, with the arrival of BN, the spying game became a bit dice for Molla. So he decided to leave while the going was still good. The fact that he managed to take with him over 700 rebels leads me to believe DIA was not aware of Molla’s intentions until the 11th hour.

          • Dear Stupendous Man,
            Nor do I believe that there are
            20,000 TPDM fighters in Eritrea. If they live on at least $0.5/day/person, they cost the Eritrean government $10,000/month, if not more, or about $500,000 a
            year. This adds up to more than $20,000,000 over the last 13 yrs, if one adds ammunitions,
            transport, medical service and the rest. It is possible that rich anti-Ethiopian
            governments in the region may be financing the effort of destabilizing Ethiopia.
            Even then, it does not come without cost to Eritrea and the Eritrean people. This money
            could have been diverted to provide clean water, electricity, health care etc. in a poor country like Eritrea. In is a
            propaganda war; trying to show bigger and stronger than one really is. is the
            norm.

    • dawit

      Dear Hayat, nice video, but Molle was mute when he was addressing his troops, I hear their clapping but not his voice. I wish I knew some sign language to read what he was saying to them. I guess he was transmitting military secrets,

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Hello Hayat
      The horse is under duress, Hayat. He will do everything that earns him clemency. He will tell his interrogators what he thinks pleases them in front of the camera. You will not here what the professionals collect. He will tell you he decimated Shaebia force when in fact it was a hot pursuit clash by his own army. The early access given to Ben shows me this is more than a theatrical.

  • abrham

    Ethiopia: Interview with Molla Asgedom at Ethio-S…: http://youtu.be/deJBpTyy5BI

  • Amanuel

    Hi Awetawyan
    There is a lesson we need to learn from the DMHIT incident and other incidents. It has been days since the DMHIT incident and no one is there to tell us precisely what has happened. We are left to guess work and speculations. It was similar story with other incidents, such as when IA was taken ill, the Forto Operation or the Bisha bombing. We are living in the social media era, where news travels between continents with in seconds. For example consider, the tragedy of Alan Kutdi’s family, It has traveled the whole glob with in a day. I am aware that the main obstacle is the PFDJ regime grip on information. However, are we meant to say ok, there is nothing we can do, and give up? NO, we need to be creative and find a way to overcome this obstacle. We the justice seekers, specially our news outlasts, need to connect with the general public at home and specially with those who are ready for change and recruits a clandestine reporters. Of course, this needs resources, which I believe Justices Seekers, specially those who are based in the west, are not short of but due to lack of organisational skills, will take sometime to realise it. But there are others we can do which don’t need additional resources. I have two points for today. These are
    1) We need to promote positive image of Eritrea, when it is needed and appropriate. For example when there is sporting, cultural, technological or educational achievement by Eritreans we should promote it with out reservation. We should be in computation with the PDFJ news outlets to announce it. Our comments need to be of congratulatory and encouragement. Yes, the likes of dawit and his ganges will provoke by linking the achievements directly with PFDJ policies, but we need stay on course and see the big picture.
    2) Our articles and comments need to be relevant to the problem at home and target those at home. We need to show them that we are talking on their behalf and earn their trust. Most of the time our articles and comments target the diaspora Erireans and so often we talk among our selves. At times we talk like “let them eat cake” completely detached from the reality at home.
    At the end what i would like to say is “where there is a will there is a way” and if we sing the same song as the people at home, we will earn their trust.

    Have a nice day
    Amanuel

    • dawit

      Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

      Can I say the New or the Transformed Amanuel, it took you decades to realize you have to promote Eritrean positive images! I must congratulate you for your latest discovery. Now on giving information to the Eritrean people, you have the Weghata, Assena, The Simerr, Radio Erena etc bombarding the airwas24 hours, 365(6) days for years, and still Eritrean masses are stick to ‘dawits theory’ of ‘Zenegese Ngusna’. What new information can you provide them what they don’t get from ERiTV. Some more Lies! The more you tell them lies, the further they move from you. Remember the Good Book, “Only The Truth Makes You Free”

      Now the new the enlightened Amanuel can you comment on the Article written by Dr. Tesfa, about Eritrea’s future? I requested this but only a handful have responded. The heavy weights of Awates, like your self, Mafmud, Saay7, SEM, SGJ, KS etc. seems do not want to touch it as if the article has nothing to do with Eritrea or Justice! Many are circling around the Molle gossip drama, frankly has no significance relevance to Eritrea or Ethiopia! In case you haven’t seen it, Dr. Tesfas’s Articled appeared at Meskerem erigazette.org

      http://www.erigazette.org/?p=8

      Honestly Aman I must congratulate you for deciding to promote Eritrean positive image.

      With Best Regards!

      dawit

      • Tedi

        Hi dawit,

        You put the following remark: Remember the Good Book, “Only The Truth Makes You Free”
        We all agree on truth but you and your partners are too far from the logic “Truth” because you believe that the book of Higdef is the only book that tell about the truth! haa…haa… haa…. who told you the Elutriate is wiser than the Scientist? here is some truth you can learn some truth from it. The UN had drawn a sanction on Eritrea based on the evidences and the facts from their findings unlike Higdef says. Please read the following link about “Shaebia Supports the Terrorist Al-Shabaaball”

        http://hornaffairs.com/en/2014/10/22/un-report-eritrea-onlf-shabaab-terror-nexus/

        • dawit

          Tedi,

          Why do you waste you time to respond on my message not addressed to you. ‘ሳይጠሩት ኣቤት ሳይልኩት ወደት”
          . Enjoy your fresh victory with Molle! who swept the ‘shabiya army”

      • Abi

        dawit hawey
        Anta kemey?
        Let me disappoint you one more time. This is a different Amanuel.
        Sorry .
        You know Meskerem 1st is the day ” Eritrea wede enat agerwa yeteqelaqelechibet qen”.
        Some things repeat themselves. Let’s wait what the next Meskerem will bring as a gift.

        • dawit

          Abi,
          You know what? When I was a little boy, the one thing that spoiled our new year celebration, in our family was a song that came through Ethiopian Radio ‘ Tezewreye Makina tezewerye, Shewan Asmeran Koynu Mezaweriye,’ and the song continues to praise the king. My father was an early supporter of Eritrean Independence. His blood boils when he listen to this song and he order us to turn off the radio. And because of that song we were not able to listen to the new songs released on Enqutatash day. My father was in prison at the time of the Ethiopia kenat agerwa sitqelaqel. It was a bad dream day. I was told he cried for his country in the prison when he heard the news meqelaqel., he realized that he was not the only one in prison, but his two countries Ethiopia and Eritrea. Abi, I believe my father was a prophet, he predicted then what would follow that Meqelaqel. and we witnessed it in thirty years of wars and famines.
          I don’t know that what the next Enqutatsh will bring but then the new song will be complicated Asmara,-Khartoum-Humera-Addis Abeba.

          • Abi

            dawit
            I’m sorry your father had to go through such ordeals .
            Next Meskerem will bring us Assab. This time we will do it little by little. Bring Afar back to enat ager. Then….. You know…

          • dawit

            Abi wondme, There is nothing to be about my father, he did what was right in his time, he fought for Ethiopia and Eritrea. I am proud of him he had a principle and died for it. Now about Assab. Honestly Assab is useful real-estate to Ethiopia than to Eritrea. But the problem in our region once you sold a merchandise you can not return it, unlike Wal-mart here in the US. Assab was sold to Italy for cash and Menelik approved signing with 10 fingers. Eritreans bought it from colonizers with blood. Therefore Assab is legally Eritrean property. Here is what I suggest Ethiopia lease Assab fore $1.00 a year as long as Ethiopia guaranties Eritrean existence as a sovereign state. No threat no border war, and allow Eritrean camels to drink fresh water. I think that will be a win-win to both Eritrea and Ethiopia. Now why do you want Eritrean Afar, when you have not treated Ethiopian Afars fairly. Why do you want another migraine headache when you couldn’t deal with smaller one.
            Now if you really want an Afar land an outlet to the sea, Ethiopia should claim Djibouti legally, unlike sold merchandise one is entitled to get back lease property once the lease expired. But then how are going to deal with France, USA and now China military bases? Hum?

          • Abi

            dawit
            I appreciate your father’s sacrifice for both countries. You are following his footsteps.i guess it is generational sacrifice. Thank you . We are free for the last 25 years. Being free from the subordinates is not as bad as it was feared.

            Bring the camels and the goats for fresh, crisp, spring water.
            dawit, do you think TPDM is smart or His excellency is not so bright?
            BTW, Djibouti is coming back soon. Wait for another Meskerem. One at a time.

          • dawit

            Abi, there is no smart one in this drama, Mole took him 14 years in a desert to figure out where his heart should be and PIA took the same amount of time after he got his lesson from his friend Meles. I guess they are all dumps.

      • Amanuel

        Hi dawit
        You are wrong this is not Amamuel Hidrat. It is Amanuel.

        • dawit

          sorry, Amanuel, I was carried with the celebration of Sweeping of Shabia’ Party! Any way my message is also good enough to all Amanuels to promote Eritrean positive image..

          • Amanuel

            Hi dawit
            No worries about me please direct your apology to Amanuel Hidrat.
            As per your massage about promoting Eritrean positive image, I found it insulting to be honest. The reason I do it, because as Eritrean it is my duty and further more to protect long term national interest. As I have told before your PFDJ will be rooted out very soon and it’s history will be thrown to the dust bin. It is just a mater of time. However your idea of promoting positive image is a short term advantage just to keep the statusquo to the suffering of Eritrean people.

          • dawit

            Waw Amanuel, where are you living, didn’t you hear that Comrade Molle swept the Shabia army! The door is wide open pack your suitcase and fly to Eritrea.

          • Amanuel

            Hi dawit
            This is our difference. I don’t see any incident on how it will benefit me personally as you do. Please don’t be sarcastic as the expense of innocent young men and women. I am glad Molla and his followers has gone back to their country and they are at peace with their fellow citizens. I wish this has been achieved with out any harm but it appears that was unlikely. In any conflict it is inevitable that innocent people are put in harms way, not the desktop cadres like yourself.Please before you hit your keyboard close your eyes and think about these innocent men and women who are paying with their life.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Amanuel (mekusi),

            Go ahead, I am comfortable with all your responses and comments on the current event. You are on the safe argument until the situation settle down – “mature and wise.”.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • dawit

            Selam Amanuel
            Hidrat, Sorry for the confusion of names, as I understand it this is not the first time you experienced. But as I replied your mekusi, my message could have applied to you if you had written the comment that responded to the other Amanuel. Could you respond to Dr. Tesfa’s article?
            Peace!
            dawit

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dawitom,

            The good doctor’s article is a call more to Issayas than to the Eritrean public. He is some how calling for the despot to formulate a mechanism of transition, while he is praying, God to bless him with more years to live. Unfortunately the professor’s “ambivalence” is quite remarkable, that even a layman can clearly watch him in his piece bouncing from one end to the other. “Issayas” and the “Eritrean public” have irreconcilable contradictions. The doctor failed to understand this facts. He can’t serve two masters. The truth is either with the Eritrean people who are still under the grip of the despot or with despot who hold the Eritrean people as hostages for his ego. His plea is more to Issayas than to the Eritrean people. Therefore, there is nothing we can make inputs into his work. If someone respond for you to my satisfaction, I don’t need to comment on it. Few have given a precise answer to your call and the piece doesn’t deserve more than that.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Emma:
            The article is useless, written laboriously, makes no stand.
            For all intent and purposes the prof goes all the way without adding any value to the debate neither in new ideas nor in revelation. Instead of criticizing the offender in chief, the government he is criticizing those who worry about the future when IA dies, he wrongly evoked Noah’s flood as a metaphor for us to prepare. The point is transition planning, Noah had inside information as God was doing his transition planning for the word. Dr Tesfa even got the theme in Noah’s flood wrong, he got his Bible that he preaches about often in Toronto wrong. Noah’s flood was not about preparation, it was about inside information, it was about the corruption of the human gene by Satan and that gene ought to be eradicated and the man how found favor with God had the inside scope not just because he was righteous but also his genes was not contaminated by the genes of the Fallen sons of God (angels turned to Demons). to borrow Gadi’s term, God was weeding out the world. That is the massage
            He makes a big deal about trivial issues such as thinking that IA is irreplaceable, the feeble minds in the PFDJ and YPFDJ think that anyways. That is not our problem The point is if the current government cares enough to have a transition plan for the Nation. Business do it, colleges do it especially when the baby boomers are retiring en mass. House holds also do it to ensure their posterity and the wellbeing of its immortality, their kids, Eritrea does not have transition plan
            As most of his article, it is laborious and useless, and dawit knows it, he just attracted to mediocrity and also relishes to deflect the debate here

          • dawit

            SEM, What debate?

          • dawit

            Thanks Aman,
            I appreciate your view on the matter.

          • dawit

            Amanuel,
            Let me respond to you for the last time., like I told others I don’t care if all TPDM and the other Ethiopian opposition group leave today peacefully. They came to Eritrea and they can leave freely. I am just commenting on the drama as an entertainment piece. Mola and his soldiers could have simply crossed back to Ethiopia the way they crossed to Eritrea without the need to with out the need to ‘sweeping shabia soldiers’. Now all the other craps you wrote about the loss of life of innocent men and women go and sell it to your masters. dawit is not in that kind of business.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello dearest awatawyan; the great Ted

    Ted, I want to include the reply to your comment within a theme that shows how I see the situation.
    When I heard the news three things came to my mind.
    1. Glad they are leaving and I hope the rest follows, simply because I am tired of the projects of incubating organizations in order threat, blackmail or depose unfriendly regimes. I believe any movement that shelters in a neighboring country for decades, without showing signs of progress, has a problem. Perhaps, it has failed to rally its own people to rise hence creating bases inside its country which could enable it to own its agenda and allows it to spread its influence in its people, making it dependent more on its resource than outside influence. The great I hope this view that I have repeated time and again. My view on any Eritrean organization follows this logic. If it appeals to the people it will get traction if it doesn’t it will be a hostage to its handlers. The new policy I have adopted is to work with those who uphold this logic, don’t waste time on curing patients you know they are terminally ill. Let the people be the judge, and as I see it the people is passing its judgment.

    2. On the Ethiopian government drama: The Seber ziena is as follows (this is The TBS seber ziena)
    – There has for some time been confusion between PFDJ, National Security Agency and EDF regarding the role of Berhanu Nega. There has also been complaints from Sub-zonal administrators and EDF regarding breaches the TPDM members were committing. There was confrontation between Eritrean highlanders, particularly Asmara residents and TPDM members, and that’s why TPDM has always been kept away from the Tigrigna population of Eritrea. BTW, they are seen as foreign force living in their backyards against their will. some of the confrontations were quite serious involving Generals and Colonels…most of it revolve around the preferential treatment TPDM was getting; that leaders of that movement were seen abusing Eritrean rules and regulations including rapes…feelings and complaints of EDF commanders that TPDM were privy to Eritrean affairs more than they were; problem of logistics…in many occasions EDF units were ordered to share rations (mesarif); give vehicles, ordered to move from their comes to give bases for the TPDM…ETC.
    – There were intractable conflicts between the leadership of Mola and another faction which was suppressed at the order of one branch of the government against the recommendations of two branches of the above mentioned departments.
    The EVENT
    * Mola moves to Western Eritrea, that’s were the TPDM has been camped for quite long time. It’s not unusual for him to do that as he still was the military wing commander and vice of the united front with Berhanu as chairman (to make it appeal to Ethiopians). bERHANU was never welcome from the get go; there was no previous hard work done to prepare the movements for that major shift; it was a political decision made by the GOE. There were simmering conflicts between TPDM and the other small Ethiopian fronts because some of TPDM leaders felt betrayed as it was the pioneer and the force that has military weight.[it reminds me of Kernelios saying that they- Kunama and Afar movements-had the largest military force and why would they beg others and make unwarranted compromise.]
    ** Mola was in bitter power struggle with the other faction which was supported by two of the three departments of the GOE which have access to organizing Ethiopian movements, the internal friction was growing.
    ***My source of this seber ziena has no conclusive detail as yet, but there was a meeting between the commanders of TPDM in western Eritrea; within hours the battle began.
    ****The battle began between units of TPDM. Eritrean units rushed to secure borders. Unfortunately they had to get involved as the battle raged. It was a heavy battle, in fact the Ethio-Eritrean border was porously manned and it would be easier for Mola forces to ehad that way, both from logistical and tactical point of view. There was no Ethiopian military movement from across the border.

    Conclusion:

    1. Ethiopia could have had a hand. However, the TV presentation was too amateurish.
    – First of: Intelligence information has short term and long term values. This type of intelligence work has a long term value and any person will tell you Ethiopia would have never devoured its assets deployment manners, its work patterns and processes…unless Ethiopia has decided there is no more work to do in Eritrea, meaning the stage of intelligence gathering has ended and the stage of acting has arrived…meaning there is no more value of telling the government of Eritrea it could also be working with Gunbot 7, the remaining TPDM (remember, only about 800 have been reported changing sides, and this is an Ethiopian figure, that means TPDM is still intact according to the figures I have heard from EDF members who had had contacts with TPDM. The best way Ethiopia could have used this news is by saying that Ethiopians who were held in Eritrea against their will broke away and returned. You then just SHUT UP.
    – If it was an Ethiopian controlled operation, probably this among the most butchered operations.
    a/ Ethiopia would be so keen for the safety of Mola, and certainly for the safety of the rest
    b/ Ethiopia could have readied a force that would secured an evacuation zone, and ensured flanks were covered (There is no fear of crossing Eritrean border, they have done it before, and this is even more important; it would never gambled over this never.
    c/ Ethiopia could have opened a diversionary operation
    d/ Ethiopia could have used paratroopers along the Sudanese Eritrean border, say, once the operation was compromised…etc. They would have never left Mola on his own. Never.
    e/An ex=tegadalai said that the entry of Mola forces to Sudanese border posts was not organized at all; they have been coming in in groups and individual fashion all day.
    2. My concern is, also I hate PFDJ, I will always be concerned for the State Of Eritrea. Considering that these two countries are in idle state of war, how much information could Mola taken with him?
    3. I have no doubt it would be a good news if all pack away. The grievances among Eritreans for seeing their meager resources being siphoned by these toothless opposition organizations is just too much. Over all the region needs peace. The crumbling of any foreign dependent opposition organization means giving peace more chance. One more chance of lessening the likelihood of war.

    • Nitricc

      My Mahmuday; i will try to write something about this incidence but for now, i am sad that the people of Tigray. the people of Tigray have lost a great deal on this one. i will explain but for now, the people of Tigray have lost in way big way. i say this if this drama is true. i am in 50/50 on this one. it could be a pure drama or real power struggle, so i will preserve my judgment for now.

      • Ted

        Hi Niticc, The Greatest
        I believe there is more to it – may be a power struggle as the Greatest put it. if i were Mola , i would be pissed off too if G7 takes over my 13 yrs hard work. It to be espionage mission by TPLF agent, it accomplished nothing except to steal information from EDF which by the way nonsensical to use such amount of man power for 13 yrs. It doesn’t add up. And ETV could have waited a little bit to polish their script.
        Eritrean need to get rid of these elements as fast as possible.

        • Nitricc

          Hey Ted; what is up? Last time Eritrea got a pricy x-mass gift from the Weyane, do you remember, the MI-35 gunship helicopter? This time around Eritrea got priceless gift for the Ethiopian new-year; TPDM is out of Eritrea for good. It is good news for Eritrea. However; this also could be to clear a way for negations between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Maybe?

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Still PM,
      Nitricc’s note main point below is the fact that the people of tigray will be the main losers out of this. And you approved that. Is that your position too?
      Hayat, allegiance temporarily withheld.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Hayat
        I up vote mostly any one who cares to reply to my comment. It is a courtesy. I up voted you several time despite the fact that I would not normally agree with 100% of the content. I did vote up Guest yesterday.
        On Tigray people and TPDM: I mentioned it in my earlier Hateta. Anyway, it is clear the people of Tigray don’t support them, otherwise they should have reflected that in their sphere of influence and in the physical territory they liberate…
        But generally, whatever Tigreans do is their business but it should not be in Eritrean territory and on Eritrean resource. Additionally, I don’t support the policy of hatching armed groups for the purpose of exporting one’s influence.

    • dawit

      Dear Field Marshal Mahmud,

      I totally agree with your assessment on the utility of TPDM to Eritrea or Ethiopia. They are useless groups that syphoned scarce resources from poor peoples I am also intrigued by your description of the TPDM move on this latest Molle drama, especially spicing it with your personal intelligence sources. Your explanation a fight between different TPDM factions make sense, and the Ethiopian spy drama is pure fiction wrote after the fact to give some entertainment and excitement to people like Eyobs and Hayats on the Ethiopian side and HTGs on the Eritrean side and confuse the the Addises and SAAYs.

      As a layperson on military matters, I still have difficulty understanding why Molle and his troops would travel to Sudan to go to Ethiopia. Why can’t they walk across to the Ethiopian occupied Eritrean territory? Since they have contact with Ethiopian security, they could have simply informed EDF that they have an operation across the border and EDF could simply look the other way. .

      Regards .

      • Yoty Topy

        Hi dawit,
        You seem to be good at ‘selective reading.’ Why is the part about the power struggle amongst the various groups is believable and the role of EPRDF intelligence securities in facilitating this defection is untrustworthy even though you are as blind as a bat like the rest of us? Pure biased conjecture!

        On your question as to why they have not opted for the southern route, am I missing something here but isn’t this area is one of the most militarized zone in the region? Just because EPRDF has made incursions in the past does not still make it a cakewalk. Who knows some of the forces stationed there might not be as friendly as the other regiments in the country.

        In military tactics ‘ logical assumptions’ are often overlooked to mislead enemies and of course like most people here are wondering I am sure Eritrean military personnels would probably expect the same as well. So why would they go for the obvious strategy? The means justifies the end here i.e limited bloodshed to conduct this, our ’90 minutes in Entebe’ type escaped.:)

        • dawit

          Yoty,
          I responded to what the Field Marshal wrote. Do you believe this ragtag deaf soldiers, swept Shabia, with derg era guns? Did you talk about Ethiopian Intelligence? I recommend to you to read Saay7 post on that subject. Enjoy your party with your hero Molle molachaw..

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Dawit,
            I hope I get to see you and your fellows own up to something. Anything! Excuses, excuses ,excuses! The man said ‘ you fight with the army you have.’ The U.S. had far superior weaponry than the Vietnamese but look what happened to them.

            I am not reading any fact based explanation just slightly alleviated assumptions than yours based on the usual ‘ piece of cake’ mentality that we have come accustomed to without the appreciation to the hard work involved in executing such exercises that involve human lives.

            He isn’t my hero. I think in the excitement to drum up anti EPRDF activities in Eritrea, Ayssayas seemed to have lost a grip on events which seemed to have to backfired on him. Demht is a paramilitary group whose primarily goal is not to contest EPRDF but to protect Ayssayas from a potential challenge from the regular Army. Some , who might have grudges against Demht might have a role in this debacle. Who is going to protect him now ? Birhanu Nega?

    • Nitricc

      Hey Mahmuday i said…
      Bad for Tigray.

      Bad for Tigray.
      Indeed interesting development, if true, I feel very bad for the people of Tigray. Sooner or latter the TPLF minority rule going to end. And there are many unknowns when there is a shift in power. Considering what TPLF has created in ethic tension and political, economical crimes against the rest of Ethiopia, some may resort in to revenge. One must understand is that, the people of Tigray has benefited nothing out of TPLF, in fact the people of Tigray are victims of TPLF rule. TPLF used the people of Tigray for extending its power. So, the existences of TPDM and working with the other ethics could have protected the people of Tigry. Now, TPDM is gone, the people of Tigray are naked and venerable to any revenge by other ethics in power.

      Good for Eritrea!
      For obvious reason, TPDM was simply bad news for Eritrea and Eritreans.

      Nw, one question for you, do you want dialogue with TPLF about the border or let the rule of law be followed? They can’t be trusted.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hey Gen.Nit
        You see you are really misunderstood. There you have told everyone how much you care about Tigray People. Gual Adem misses this point. She just wants to see you expressing that care the way she does.
        Anyway, it reminds me when aboy SebHat said that TPLF cared for Eritreans more than EPLF did. And you know how we felt about it. What do you think genuine Tigreans feel when you or Pfdj tells them that they care for them more than the organization for whose principles they paid dearly? As much as I respect you, I want to be true to my gut feeling, and that’s people know who cares for them. If Tigreans held demHit high, demHit wouldn’t have been in Eritrea for the last 14 year. Glad it has been shaken and I hope the rest follows. The point is, I may not like TPLF, but it is wrong to assume the place of Tigray people in deciding who should rule them. If in its formation, it appeared popular it would not take these many years that it would finally be a toothless burden, and accordingly, it should have been booted out. One of the clumsy reasons why we are under sanction is because we are accused of harboring toothless oppositions.
        Dear Nitricc, I have answered your question before and it has nothing to do with demHit. If you give the article Semere wrote a comment worth its importance, I will give you one of my final and binding” communiques about the dialogue.

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    Here is TPDM MEGLECHA about tqit glesewoch:)

    http://tpdm.net/archives/6880

  • Amde

    Hello Awate,

    The Molla Asghedom story means the prospect of another Ethio-Eritrean war (primarily the Isayyas instigated one) has been effectively put away for a while. I do not believe the Ethiopian side thinks it has anything to gain by starting hostilities. This is as good a New Year gift as any for Eritrean and Ethiopian mothers whose children stand bearing arms, waiting for the command to die from on high.

    Melkam enqutatash indeed.

    Amde

    • haileTG

      Hi Amde,

      My senses is that it could go either way. Imagine that for example all the espionage, spying and so forth is fog of war and PSYOP. Obviously, new information can exchange hands which can trigger preemptive strikes. This of course assumes Molla just left due to power struggle and is a new source of fresh information. Either way, it is a hot potato on IA’s lap:)

      • Amde

        Hi HaileTG

        Well, I second your hot potato comment. Whether planned or spontaneous, Isayyas has to “clean house” before he can be sure any offensive plans to use TPDM and EDF can be trusted to be secure. I can’t imagine he would have invested so much in TPDM if he had no intention of using them, and their numbers are relatively insignificant compared to the Ethiopian army, so they would have to be used in conjunction with EDF. The status quo is sustainable for Ethiopia, whereas it is not so for Eritrea. Therefore, it is in Isayyas’ interest to force a change in the status quo, which means to go on offense. Molla just took away a big chunk of the means to do so. Without that means, he got nothing.

        It is a really really strange story to be honest. As of yesterday, it was feasible to think of it as an operational field situation that went awry forcing Molla and friends to escape to Sudan. But today, they are reportedly in Ethiopia. Eritrea intelligence must be really just a shell with nothing inside.

        I figure, on balance, war is pushed off and less likely today that two day ago. It may be so bad that Isayyas may see the writing on the wall and sue for peace.

        • haileTG

          Hi Amde,

          IA doesn’t have a constituency for peace. Another sad twist!

          • Amde

            Hi HaileTG,

            That is actually an amazing statement. Has Saay heard? There is this semi-orthodoxy pushed on this site that Isayyas is the Alpha and Omega of Eritrea’s problems.

            I interpret what you wrote as there being essentially nobody within the Eritrean leadership that would promote/push for/believe they would benefit from peace with Ethiopia. That in effect makes Isayyas the dove of the PFDJ. To me that is a much bigger revelation than the Molla story.

            Did I misunderstand or misinterpret what you said?

            Amde

          • haileTG

            Hi Amde,

            Eritreans in Eritrea never mix their ordeals with Ethiopia. Nobody would even mention Ethiopia other than in connection to travel plans. However, poverty and stick are keeping them in the loop. Eritrean politics is traded in diaspora (it is stagnated in Eritrea). And given what you know, what is there for IA to sell other than Ethiopia hostility? That is the only card he can keep his supporters and steal large swing voters from the opposition. Every other card is of no value in the diaspora political market place. He is in a sense cornered by a war he can’t win and diaspora opinion that is only Ethio-centric and indifferent to the Eritrean plight. Put yourself in his should and what else would you do other than milking that card? It is really simple logic, that is the only thing that sells. And he may be thought as supplying the demand the best way he knew how.

            Regards

          • Amde

            Hi HaileTG

            Thank you. You gave me something to think about. Sad to think Isayyas is cornered by Eritrean diaspora belligerence to Ethiopia.

            Amde

          • Amde

            Hi HaileTG again.

            I feel your comment here is deserving of better exposure and discussion. It is provocative. Can you post as a separate comment (rather than as response to a comment) or better yet can you develop it further and post as a standalone piece/article?

            Many thanks

            Amde

          • Volte Face

            Absolutely brilliant!

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HTG,

            How do you know for sure?

            Is it possible that there is a “constituency for peace” that has not revealed itself but is biding for time?

          • haileTG

            Dear MN,

            Who knows, we might even have a real angle that hasn’t revealed itself. But, from what has revealed itself so far, it is fair to assess there is ample room to allow IA to gamble away the country, not for the love of him but the prevailing attitude towards Ethiopia. IMO the attitude is dangerous and unwinnable for Eritrea, but it is there for all to see. Although Ethiopia is on the wrong on EEBC, such attitude renders Eritrea on the wrong side of morality and peace. The common threat to IA we oft issue is that, let the Ethiopians settle with the EEBC because thatwill help us to overthrow him! That is no constituency for peace. When taken together IA seems to have no ticket (in the vocal elite’s court of opinion) other than other than hostility .to Ethiopia to keep challenge at bay. Judging by prevailing attitudes, it is hard to say there is a true constituency for peace in our side, giving the subtle signal to IA that confrontation is the only way to stay in power.

    • derbew

      May be not. It will depend on what Molla may share with the Ethiopian security and army. As you know Ethiopia reserves the right to take whatever action is necessary to protect its interests.

  • asgodom

    Awate.com what happen to the happy new year tewahdo message. remember we Eritrean Christians still follow our habesha calendar hence still celebrate kudus yohanes or you elect to follow the eplf political calendar.

    • Pass the salt

      Speaking of new year, Ethiopians got a big gift from Elias Kifle, the same Elias Kifle that made President Isaias person of the year.
      Ethiopians are invited to unwrap their gift.
      http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104118

  • said

    Dear Asmara

    I type your name and I Missed Eritrea instantly ?

    I am sorry i totality for get to include our beautiful Afar people and their cultural uniqueness and richness .There is always a First Time to everything. Even late at the twilight of age, as one for inexplicable reason figures all is done with, a surprising event of the unthinkable pops up to hit you in the face as of speaking loud: “Hey, Do Not Take Things for granted!”

    At the Twilight of Age, near the last station of a long Journey, a mortal settles to the notion: “That All Counts in the End Are Human Relations, the Human Value and the Upholding of the Dignity of Man.”

    Eritrea & the Eritrean, undoubtedly, possess that magic enigma that renders Eritrea & the Eritrean man exotic country and a colorful race on a first look, first touch basis.

    Eritrea is a Beautiful scenic country, small as it is; ever a coveted destination for great development and tourism and so on even the sourcing of the unordinary by visitors of otherwise mostly uninspiring neighborhoods as the ethnic and sectarian mosaic makeup of Eritrea , adds to the cultural uniqueness, richness and the variety of one only experiences in Eritrea rendering an otherwise none conventional, un-orderly and mostly chaotic life of the place captivating much in the metaphor of the rainbow.

    Yes one listens to repeated boring criticisms and tirades, often long monologues by complaining none Eritrean, visitors pointing to the Eritrea generally short 5 minutes span of trust, trustworthiness and deeply entrenched tendencies loyalty and no manipulation with an ever carefree let go attitudes as nothing seems to ever stick: foremost observance and commitment to ethics and morality; yet, like the enamored bee to the flowers, visiting outsiders, foremost complaining Ethiopian , still enjoy a repeat again and again to Eritrea, without an equal in the whole Africa , tiny, ethical and not crowded and not congested Eritrean,and specially Afar region and much more to Eritrea.

    Today Eritrea, is non-functional society that manages to still create out of the inherent contradictions of the place and the rather undefinable mindsets of the country’s constituent people the very functionality of an otherwise completely non-functional society.

  • dawit

    Dear Papillon,
    I don’t think you read what I wrote or the article by Dr. Tesfa, you responding without thinking. I said no name calling only fresh idea or input is requested.

    • Papillon

      Dear Dawit,

      He is playing it safe. Just read what he scribbled, he talks about succession of power or power transfer should Isaias expires then he says, he wishes Isaias live a long life. That is playing it safe and cowardice in flying colours. Absolutely useless! Do you know why G-15 are in dungeons? Simply because they played it safe with Isaias. As simple as that!

  • Eyob Medhane

    Hello Sal, Fanti, HaileTG, Papillon, Abi…and everyone,

    The Ethiopian government told the story of Mola Asgedom in a very dramatic manner. Please enjoy. If anyone interested in writing “Based on true story..” Spy movie, here is your script. I think we have a great intelligence service…What do you say, Sal.. 😉

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-flGpwPwA&feature=youtu.be

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam Eyob
      Thanks God. I don’t think they will be missed by Eritreans. I hope the rest will follow. Dependent is always dependent. Eritrean dependent Ethiopian organizations could not substitute Ethiopian peoples’s choices and vice versa. I’m tired with these unending projects of manufacturing organizations in order to impose one’s puppets on the other side. Ethiopian politics should be played inside Ethiopia by Ethiopians, and Eritrean politics should be played in Eritrean soil, dependent on Eritreans and by Eritreans.

      • Ted

        Hi, The Greatest MS, it is about time we get free from parasitic organizations keeping us hostage for far too long. I hope our own come home to their people.

    • አዲስ

      Hi Eyob,

      This is very dramatic indeed. Two things that I don’t understand if Eyob or any other can clarify

      1. Is the government claiming that their (informants in Demhit) push helped bring Birhanu to Eritrea? How is that helpful to them? or bad to G7 and Birhanu?
      2. Why hasn’t TPDM labeled as a terrorist organization?(I have seen this question asked everywhere by many people and not seen an answer and believe it’s a legitimate question) Are they going to say it’s because they are working together? But that can’t really be it cause they started working together about a year or so ago according to this report and G7 has been labeled terrorist way before that.

      Now we’ll wait and see what the response is from Birhanu’s side. I have said it before and I will say it here again. I don’t support armed struggle and especially one coming with the help of DIA.

      Thanks,
      Addis

    • Abi

      Eyobe
      Tom Clancy’s ” Rainbow Six” all over again.

    • haileTG

      Hi Eyob,

      That is indeed devastating to the criminal PFDJ regime. Here is another video showing PFDJ’S 13 year investment while starving Eritreans going up in smokes.

      https://www.facebook.com/enbinmlkihgdef/videos/1633101260271767/?fref=nf

      • Eyob Medhane

        Hailachin,

        Wow! You are right. They seem well fed and kept. I do believe there will be a whole lot of new development on the way. Remember what I told you last time. Issu and company are preparing their escape route…..

    • dawit

      Eyob,
      Waw! I am really impressed by the great Ethiopian Intelligent service, to force Dr. Berahnu Nega, to travel to Eritrea from USA to convince the four opposition force to unite and become the Chairman of the united force! Mr. Mole also deserves special congratulations for running away from Eritrea with 600+? or 700+? or 800+ ( somebody must know how to count soldiers) fully armed group through Sudan after fulfilling his mission of forming a united front and being elected as Vice Chairman for four days!. . What is going to be the fate of those who he left behind the few 9000+ sick ,old and the cultural troops, who trusted him as their leader. Any intelligent follow up report Eyob? I hope Ato Molle will get employed as an experienced head body guard for PIA. I hope must have written a recommendation letter before he run away!

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Eyoba,
      Amazing!
      Most of the remaining must be those who run away after borrowing money to start up business but failed. A friend was telling me earlier that he knows two individuals who joined DEMHIT, and he told me their reason for escaping and concluding that there is no way in the world they will fight against Ethiopian forces when the day comes. One of those two was a police officer who lost a prisoner in suspicious circumstances and run away because he did not want to deal with the consequences. What intrigued me after watching your video is that the way my friend was describing the two whom he knew (grew up together) was that they seemed very patriotic to have joined the likes of G7. I couldn’t help it but to think that maybe those two escapees might have been send there purposely.

    • saay7

      Eyobai:

      … And the spin continues. My Amharic is rusty but did he mention what the plan is for the remaining 19,300 TPDM members (20,000 – 700)? Are they going to come back home every September 1 b’Abesha aqotater? In the meantime they will continue their clandestine activities against Shabbiyah? 🙂

      Addis, it wasn’t just TPDM that was not listed in Ethiopia’s terrorist org lists. In fact (Eyob can correct me on this) but the only ones listed (shortly after Hillary Clinton visited Addis which was ENTIRELY coincidental) are OLF, ONLF and Gnbot-7. All the arbegnoch, TPPF, Afar, etc etc are not listed as terror orgs. So, for example, ESAT interviewing Berhanu Nega in Virginia USA would probably be something against ATP; interviewing TPDM would not.

      saay

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Brother Saay,
        Where did the number 20,000 or sometimes 9000 come from in the first place? Either way someone is lying. Either the ESATs had inflated the number for propaganda purposes or the remaining minus the sick and old, whatever their real number is, are actually there for the advertised purpose. Whatever the truth is, it will not fail to entertain!

        • saay7

          His Fantiness:

          The source is the UN’s Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea (SEMG) which estimated the size of DeMHT (in subsequent reports) as either 20,000 or “estimated in the TENS OF THOUSANDS” (which is at least 20,000). Here’s their report from late last year

          http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/S_2014_727.pdf

          saay

          • dawit

            Selamat saay7,

            Did SEMG used HTG formula to arrive the 20,000 TPDM soldiers. Here is HGT formula

            Take the Tigray regional population census for any two consecutive year from 2003 – 2014. Call: C1 and C2, where C1 is total population at t[x] and C2 is total population at t[x+1], where x>0 and integer. Now consider i[0]….i[n] where 0<n<12 and="" n="" is="" natural.="" thus="" i[n]="" is="" the="" total="" outbound="" movement="" within="" a="" given="" census="" year="" less="" returned="" in="" the="" same="" year.="" now,="" use="" the="" model:

            T[Demhit] = Σ(([(i[n]/t[x])*(C2-C1)]/i[n])^[x+1])

            That should throw in the required sum

            = 20,000 bingo!
            Did any one know the educational background of General MOLLE? Why travel to Sudan to go to Ethiopia from Eritrea!

          • Abi

            dawit
            Because there is no direct flight from Eritrea to Ethiopia. That will answer your last question.
            Take it easy. I see you are bruised.

        • አዲስ

          Hi Fanti,

          Can you please help if you can with my question above?

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            That is a legitimate question. I suspect that the criteria to designate one a terrorist organization has been set from the experiences of others. In Ethiopian context, one that has committed a terrorist act before is a prime candidate to be listed as one. Ginbot 7, OLF, ONLF and Al Quida/Al Shabab, have committed or attempted to commit terrorist acts. With OLF, the bombing of Tigray hotel in Mercato (Abinet area) and many other throughout the country. With ONLF so many in Ethiopian Somali region especially in Jigjiga and finally with Ginbot 7 the attempt to bomb AU with the cooperation with Shabiya and so many other aborted attempts…Now only one is proposed to the Parliament that is ISIS for what they did to Ethiopians in Libya..the reason why I went through all these examples is to show that Ethiopia, Ethiopians and their interests have to be directly affected by terror to name any organization that directed the plot at them to designate it as such… Now, Zone9, if you ask me, are not terrorists. And the law that has been used to prosecute them, I say that is too harsh. That is what I believe

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            You said:
            “… Ethiopia, Ethiopians and their interests have to be directly affected by terror to name any organization that directed the plot at them to designate it as such…”

            Do you believe TPDM can’t be accused with that?

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            When has TPDM caught planting a bomb somewhere in Ethiopia or any of its members caught doing any terroristic act in Ethiopian soil? I have not heard any. If you have, let me know and I would agree with you that TPDM also should be considered a terrorist Organization.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            I am not here to label any of the organizations terrorist or not. I don’t believe who I call terrorist matters. I am here to understand the rationale of EPRDF’s government on how they are labeling one a terrorist. So it’s not about agreeing with me who is terrorist or not.

            You are providing what you assume is the case, hence I asked that question. Now depending on who you believe there are multiple instances of attacks by TPDM on Ethiopian assets. Here’s one source which I can’t verify. It’s a speech of an Ethiopian Federal Police officier talking about fighting TPDM and Arbegonch forces. Start from minute 4:19.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=508&v=Yz1F-RgbqUI

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Honestly, ESAT’s edited video can hardly be considered an evidence. However, from what I have seen in the video seems to be a military cadre trying to motivate border guards, whose speech is taken out of context for ESAT’s propaganda purpose. The same kinds of activities occur in every border crossing in entire Ethiopia and border guards get motivated with the same kind of speech, adjusted the “enemy” fit for the area to make them alert. That doesn’t mean that every bandit that threatens border guards should be listed as a terrorist group in the country’s parliament. The specific criteria seems to be the one that I have provided to you. A terrorist act that has caused civilian lives or attempt to cause distraction of civilian lives and vital infrastructures, not skirmishes with the border guards…

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            To put the specific criteria in context, please find below what’s constituted as terrorist acts according to the Ethiopian ATP. (source from Negarit ).

            Coming to your point, it’s hard for me to take ESAT as a credible source but you can’t dismiss everything they say right? as you can’t trust EPRDF on everything. Remember the incident around Bole Michael where the government accuses terrorist but some Wikileaks documents imply that it was staged by government sources? So like I said in the above post it depends on who you believe.

            For me I don’t understand how TPDM doesn’t qualify some of the criteria listed below in the ATP.

            ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

            PART ONE

            GENERAL

            ……

            2. Definitions

            In this Proclamation, unless the context otherwise requires:
            ……
            4/ “terrorist organization” means:

            a) a group, association or organization which is composed of not less than two members with the objective of committing acts of terrorism or plans, prepares, executes or cause the execution of acts of terrorism or assists or incites others in any way to commit acts of terrorism; or

            b) an organization so proscribed as terrorist in accordance with this Proclamation;

            ….

            PART TWO

            TERRORISM AND RELATED CRIMES

            3. Terrorist Acts

            Whosoever or a group intending to advance a political,religious or ideological cause by coercing the
            government, intimidating the public or section of the public, or destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional or, economic or social institutions of the country:

            1/ causes a person’s death or serious bodily injury;
            2/ creates serious risk to the safety or health of the public or section of the public;
            3/ commits kidnapping or hostage taking;
            4/ causes serious damage to property;
            5/ causes damage to natural resource, environment, historical or cultural heritages;
            6/ endangers, seizes or puts under control, causes serious interference or disruption of any public service; or
            7/ threatens to commit any of the acts stipulated under sub-articles (1) to (6) of this Article; is punishable with rigorous imprisonment from 15 years to life or with death.

            Source: http://www.mfa.gov.et/docs/Anti-Terrorism%20Proclamation.pdf

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Yes I remember that Bole Michael bombing, which supposedly the government did it. First of all. That is TOTALLY FALSE. According to wikileaks, it was Merara Gudina, a man who almost NEVER says anything coherent that provided that information to US embassy officials and they have published that on their cable WITH his name. Why would Merara do that? Well, he is an “opposition” leader and he wants to discredit the government, as all opposition leaders like doing. Running to foreign embassies or foreign press to solve their problems…

            Now,

            Per Negarit Gazeta you have provided to me, I still don’t see, TPDM doing anything that should make it a “Terrorist” entity. Is is a militant organization? For that the government is fighting it in the battlefield. But, other than that, if you point me to evidence that takes me to for example to people (civilians) that have been harmed, kidnapped. A public service that was disrupted because of TPDM activities… Etc….then, we will be on the same page…

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            About Mererra and that wikileaks document, you realize that the same can be said about EPRDF but in opposite direction?

            Now about TPDM, a militant organization numbered in thousands, recruiting(some claim kidnapping North Tigray youth), campaigning, collaborating with PFDJ, attacking….. with the intent of throwing the government does not fulfill those criteria ?

            Thanks
            Addis

          • dawit

            Dear Addis,

            “ኣልሸሹም ዞር ኣሉ” ይላሉ ኣበው ሲተርቱ
            . There is no logical explanation, except those associated with Islam are the strong candidates for the Terrorist designation of the EPRDF tribal rule. As Eyob explained the rule was adopted from foreign countries (Europe and America) PMMZ defended its application in an interview when it was accepted as a law of the country. Haile Sellasie had similar rules against ‘Communists’ and Mengistu against ‘Imperialist’. All designed to protect their power against potential opposing group. .

          • Fanti Ghana

            Dearest አዲስ,
            Sorry. busy weekend, where or what was the question?

          • አዲስ

            Hi Fanti,

            Look at the exchange I had below with Eyob.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Addis,

            Your question to Eyoba was:

            “Do you believe TPDM can’t be accused with that” (i.e. terrorism)?

            That has been answered sufficiently well and I don’t have anything useful to add.

            So, you must mean your question to Yoty Topy about human rights as cliche.

            “Talking about human rights and rule of law has become a cliché now? wey gud.”

            If that is indeed the question, I was not following that thread at the time so I had to read upward to understand the context. Now, I think I do.

            Unfortunately I don’t know if human rights and rule of law has become a cliché now, but I came back with a question to you to be sure I did not miss the point.

            What is it that these groups are unable or denied to do in Ethiopia because of lack of “human rights, democracy, and rule of law”?

          • አዲስ

            Hi Fanti,

            I was referrring to the question I discussed with Eyob. You think it’s sufficiently answered? ok then I guess…

            Thanks,
            Addis

        • haileTG

          hey Fanti,

          It is not hard to figure out that the number is 20,000 (nothing to with 20 000 being a common number, i.e. T Gerahtu claimed 20 000 people came out to his Geneva march although local police put it at 1500 or about 1/4 of the opposition. The border is also said to have costed about that much. On average, Sawa recruit use to number 20 000 per/year until the recent years that numbers have dwindled….).

          Take the the Tigray regional population census for any two consecutive year from 2003 – 2014. Call: C1 and C2, where C1 is total population at t[x] and C2 is total population at t[x+1], where x>0 and integer. Now consider i[0]….i[n] where 0<n<12 and n is natural. Thus i[n] is the total outbound movement within a given census year less returned in the same year. Now, use the model:

          T[Demhit] = Σ(([(i[n]/t[x])*(C2-C1)]/i[n])^[x+1])

          That should throw in the required sum

          • dawit

            Wow Hailat, No wonder people with fourth grade education like Molle have difficulty knowing the exact number of soldiers they have! The SUDAN TRIBUTE report indicate the TPDM soldiers handed over their arms to Sudan government, the Ethiopian intelligence reporter claim the troops crossed to Ethiopia fully armed. Who is lying?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam dawit,
            .
            Dawit, if The Sudan Government said one thing and the Ethiopian Government said the opposite, we know one of them is lying. We have to wait to find out who.
            .
            I know one thing now. You are unhappy and disappointed to hear a crack in TPDM organization. Why is that?
            I never knew you were a fan of TPDM, never. If you are, tell me their utility to the Eritrean cause. If it is only the propaganda war that you disapprove of, explain that too.
            .
            K.H

          • dawit

            Dear Kim Hanna,
            You are mistaken that I was disappointed to hear about a crack in TPDM. To tell you the truth I don’t care if TPDM existed or disappeared. All opposition groups Eritreans or Ethiopians are all nuisances for the people of the two nations. I don’t consider them helpful to the poor people who are suffering under the two governments. What I want is Ethiopia to recognize the Eritrean people to live in peace, leave Eritrean territory and likewise the Eritrean government not to support any armed groups that prevent poor Ethiopians from living in peace with their government.
            Now I am having fun on this Molle drama and that what I am commenting about otherwise I don’t have a dog in this fight.
            Cheers
            dawit

          • Abi

            dawit
            “… the two peoples suffering under the two governments.” You have been telling us Eritreans are doing fine under his excellency. What happened to you today? Shocked?
            You also said you don’t have a dog in this fight. I say you are the dog.

          • dawit

            Abi, I didn’t knew Molle was taking Ethiopian Airline flight from Khartoum to Homera. My mistake!
            Abi, I am really disappointed by you, I thought you knew me better by now. dawit shocked? you must be kidding. Where do you live in Mars? Never seen the images of Ethiopians and Eritreans refugees through out the glob. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, South Africa, Sahara desert, Sinai desert, Libya prisons, Israel prisons, the Mediterranean sea, The read Sea, Callas jungle in France, streets of Rome, all over European capital refugee camps. Yes Eritrea may be the “largest refugee producer nation in Africa, but when you combine Ethiopia and Eritrea, we are the largest refugee producer in the planet earth.

        • dawit

          Dear Fanti,
          Why such gap in the number? What kind of Math course do people need to count soldiers? Differential Calculus? I wonder. You wrote some of them joined because they borrowed money for business and lost so they joined the front. No wonder they are bad business men. Why did this people join TPDM instead they should have started the age old proven business of “shifta” stoping busses on highway and rob the passengers called ‘Highway Robbery”, SO PIA put them in a camp, far from the Eritrean Highways. Now I can understand why Molle was frustrated? Obviously he has no clue about liberation front ideals and dedication. He wanted to be a highway robber entrepreneur, but instead he was stuck on PIA business of Liberation. I think he made the right choice after 13 years on the wrong profession.
          Cheers!
          dawit

          • haileTG

            Hello dawitom,

            This whole thing is getting crazy. Even Dr Tesfa, a REGIME SUPPORTER, is telling us PFDJ isn’t EPLF and IA will die soon because according to him, his brand of “Eritreans” are dead worried about it. Well, can we hire this guy on the video? PFDJ needs it asap:-)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0

      • አዲስ

        Hi Saay,

        I would really like to hear the rationale from government supporters on how TPDM, which I believe took up arms and danced tango with PFDJ for 13 years or so and probably have far more soldiers than any other armed groups, isn’t considered as a terrorist organization according to the ATP. Why not the other orgs you mentioned too?
        I am not a legal scholar so I am here to learn how the Ethiopian justice system consider one(like Zone9ers) terrorist and others(like TPDM) not.

        Thanks,
        Addis

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi Addis,
          The zone9 and Esat started their disturbance to public peace order in addis and the rest didn’t.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Yoty,

            I have expressed my stand on Zone9ers here before. Refer to that for more but If you consider them terrorist, either you are a gullible victim of EPRDF propaganda or a very dangerous individual for human rights, democracy and rule of law in the country.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Addis,
            I think terrorist is probably not the appropriate charge but please spare us the human rights and rule of law stuff. It is of course you know as well as I do it is not that kind of government we have in Ethiopia so if these guys decided to test the limit of the government’s patience then they have to blame themselves but no one else. Please spare us the cliche of rule of law, human rights minamin negger.

          • አዲስ

            Yoty,

            Talking about human rights and rule of law has become a cliche now? wey gud.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Addis,

            Wouldn’t you say so? Human rights issue is so mid 1990s and Clintonish. We have to pass beyond that and device concepts that can help us ensure a soft landing of our authoritarian government.

          • አዲስ

            Yoty,

            “meret lay yale sew” ale ya gurage yedenebere feres eyegalebe. Yihuna.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Yoty Topy,

            Blogger disturb public peace?
            say it ain’t so….

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Amde,
            The Pen is mightier than the sword silu alsemaham?

            If it is an adulterated literature they are disseminating then I think such heavy handed response is to be expected. I do agree it should not fall under an act of terrorism but the Chinese have something similar to that for people that write unflattering opinions about the government. Not to imply that they (EPRDF)should emulate the Chinese but just saying there is precedence there.

      • Pass the salt

        SAAY,
        you are ruining Eyob’s euphoria by bringing trivial issues. What is a 19000 lives of collateral damage to accomplish a grand plan of sneeking 300 lives out!? Besides, you are missing the point. This is not about numbers. We are talking about Holiwood style operation that has never been done anywhere in the world. That’s where you should focus SAAY, the dramatic part of it, not the detail.

        • Ted

          Hi PST, if it were a James Bond 007 movie how would “M”(Bond’s boss) justify the spy they planted for 13 yrs bolted out from his mission without killing the terrorists and leaving more than half of his teams behind. The worst 007 movie to watch. It is sad Eritreans lost their lives in this while HTG, Eyob and all rejoicing their hallow victory.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ted,
            .
            Ted, since you are a straight shooter, I wanted to ask you this basic question. I hope you answer it directly without bringing in side issues.
            .
            I understood from different postings of individuals here at Awate that TPDM is being used as a special body guard of President IA. They were being accused of round ups and being instruments of oppression.
            .
            Therefore, any scenario that will achieve their demise or disbursement must be looked at in a positive light. Their disappearance from the scene is bad for President IA and good for the opposition.
            I was expecting the above sentiment from most Eritrean Awatistas.
            .
            The vibe I am getting, it is more than a vibe, from SAAY, dawit, Pass the salt and YOU and others is entirely different. (could it be some Ethiopians are happy about it, therefor you must be unhappy? please tell me that is not so.)
            .
            Why are you unhappy about it? Would you have preferred to keep them intact?
            .
            K.H

          • Ted

            Hi KH, for starters i don’t buy they were used by IA as a body guard. You have to take my word for it, it is a total fabrication called politics. If they were, knowing what we are told now( “spies”), there would been something about killing Eritrean higher officials not border guards in the middle of nowhere them running for their life.
            Second, i don’t support or trust including G7 playing politics in our backyard. PFDJ is responsible for putting our people in harms way. That is my grief. Either way i mean if i have my way, i will make the Ethiopian opposition in Eritrean get them packing. Ethiopia has enough mountains and gorges to support guerilla fighters.
            What i am arguing is the validity of the story. Why would a spy( DMTH) lure G7 to Eritrea and bolt out. There is a lot of holes in the story.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ted,
            .
            I don’t buy the propagandist talks that is going on and will go on for a while.
            .
            The body guard duty, I grant you, was a little too lavish to be believed.
            As a military unit, however, it is by design and circumstance a very reliable, dependable and loyal force. It has no where else to go. It totally depends on Pres. I.A for its daily bread. He can use it as he sees fit.
            .
            Awatistas were discussing how, TPDM, members were out in Asmara rounding up young people for the national service.
            Therefore, not only for Ethiopia but for Eritrea as well, the showing of cracks in this organization should be a common happy occasion. It might be the beginning of the end of this organization; why shouldn’t both peoples be excited about the prospect of their diminished state and status.
            .
            K.H

          • Ted

            Hi KH, i agree, let the dust settle and wait what we get out of it. IA didn’t fed and armed TPDM for nothing, he has an axe to grind to use them against TPLF. As you can see nothing has materialised to justify IA’s support to the group.”should be a common happy occasion” me as Eritrean the body count is the only thing in my mind. It is a propaganda war and as long as IA doesn’t changes his mind supporting G7(people who oppose the very independence of ours) there is no need for celebration.

          • saay7

            Hey Ted:

            You remind me of the Comic Book Guy from The Simpson’s: Worst. Spy Movie. Ever.

            saay

        • saay7

          Hi PTS:

          I think they brought back Salome (FDRE Spokesperson 1998-2000) from retirement. My favorite is the part where they say that a Shaebia-sell out told on the TPDM as they were leaving to return to the country they love. (Apparently the border-conrol Eritreans are “shaebia sell out TPDM” members which, sadly is probably true.) The same country they had just told us: “TPDM FINISHED ITS PREPARATION TO PUNISH THE EPRDF REGIME.” This reminds me who is in charge of their two websites now: is it the 700 who returned to Eritrea or the 19,300 who are still in Eritrea?

          saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam SAAY7,
            .
            Getaye, tadia lemindenew endih yemitbeshatchew beyebotaw?
            Zimdena alatchu ende?
            .
            K.H

      • Hayat Adem

        Selamat Saay,
        Dilution, dilution!
        Even if this escape involved only Molla and the top leaders, it would still be dramatic. But this is a full force that fought its way out.
        This is a great intelligence work of a year or so (as per the statement) that ended so dramatically that even people on the other side have to pause for a moment and whisper to themselves “phew!”.
        If true per claim of the statement, it is an intelligent work that pulled down Birhanu from the Pennsylvania mountains down to the fields of Eritrea with a false hope.
        The timing! Someone said hitting is timing while pitching is the opposite. Birhanu was saying on VOA, on the same day Molla was making his move, how his newly formed coalition was firmly standing and ready for the job to dismantle Woyane. And this happened.
        And lastly, like our HaileTG said there is this information sharing dimension: how much valuable information were these people supplying to the Ethiopian intelligence; how much do they know?
        One more point, the role of the Sudanese government should tell us something on how it respects the Ethiopian government and no more bothered by the blackmailing capability of the PFDJ like it used to.
        I don’t think your Amharic is that rusty, to understand a 3ILR level statement. It may be something else as I noticed you going straight on listing down what you thought the limitations of this operation are. Saay, this should not be a moment of urged temptation for shame-sharing. We have nothing here as we never approved the presence of DemHit and the policy choices of IA. This is not about Eritrea and Eritreans. All the shame must be owned by PFDJ. It was PFDJ alone in this business and it is PFDJ alone being kicked in the groins.
        Hayat

        • Papillon

          Dearest Haftey Natey,

          I have said it before and I will say it again. If Samson had his strength hidden in his long hair, the Weyanes have it hidden every time people underestimate them. But the thing is Hayat safety, it is not about the Weyanes anymore rather it is about a nation where her bright future is stolen by a maniac and a sadist and by men who are hell bent to defend him so that the other side won’t snatch a stunning victory out of the jaws of oddity. Just imagine if the victory was pulled by PFDJ, it would’ve been tectonic of guayla all over and bickering over numbers would’ve been argued in reverse.

        • saay7

          Selamat Hayat:

          In case you didn’t notice, I was responding to Eyob’s question: “Spy movie, here is your script. I think we have a great intelligence service…What do you say, Sal.. ;-)” I can’t visualize Eyob laughing his head off when he listen to the bad fiction of Ethiopian TV and as a nice, good, Weyanista Ethiopian he couldn’t say it: he invited me, and I said it for him. Well, I mean, I pointed out 1 of the ten holes in the story.

          But for those who consider the EPRDF people with “gospeler authority” I am sure it is “dilution! dilution!”

          saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi again Saay,
            Give Eyob a moment to be himself. I am not sure if he was being amazed by or second-thinking the story in the statement. But I want you to think about what the overall implications of this event will be without being distracted by Eyob’s smiles.
            Fighting their way out…Now don’t spin it on me. I was only trying to describe the dramatic nature of the event and the way it unfolds itself and I never was into the issue of who died or killed. TPDM is trained to be a fighting force and you know who trained and armed them to be one? Proper sympathy is necessary but don’t forget to assign due responsibility, too. PFDJ did all this. So, we hold them accountable for any killings in relation to this event and others.
            Anytime something happened with the rest of the ‘9300″ DemHit left behind which you seem to be happy that they didn’t make it out, don’t blame me for putting my sympathy on the wrong party again. They trained to kill and die with Eritrean resources.
            Gospeler authority! Hmmm! I remember using that phrase during my intoxicated moments from YG’s essays and you kept it in at the inner back of your tongue and never fail me to be reminded of that phrase every time you thought i pushed the button on you. But there is no Saay button here with this TPDM drama, it is all about PFDJ. You and I are or should be on the same side on this.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            We are commenting not about the (600-800) DMHT soldiers who surrendered to Sudanese officials; we are discussing the official Ethiopian explanation for the sequence of events. And I find the official Ethiopian explanation–including the “dramatic nature”– not believable. You are free to believe it, but don’t try to mix that with the other story about what do I think of DMHT leaving, what does it mean for Eritrea, etc.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            We’re commenting on everything about it.
            I have no way to verify it or refute it. I am simply treating it as a story on the move until I know or hear something else. But, what are your reasons to say that it is not “believable”? Would you mind sharing your thoughts how you arrived at that conclusion?
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Simple. A force (EPRDF) that has been coordinating with another force (TPDM) for a year doesn’t do NOTHING on D-Day.

            This “we were coordinating for a year” was said for two purposes: 1. To reassure Ethiopians that it is not giving preferential treatment to one particular armed group over another for ethnic-solidarity reasons; 2. Psych-op to PFDJ: we have done this under ur nose for a year: how do u know we haven’t done this with others for months maybe years?

            Now, there is one thing that I am going to wait for Molas interview: how many fighters does TPDM have. If, as UN SEMG says quoting knowledgeable EDF members that it is at least 20,000, then 800 is just a case of “Wedo Geba”, a high value Wedo Geba to be sure but of passing impact. If he says that it was 2,000, then DMHT is gone for good and we can expect the rest to trickle out. So let’s wait for the interview.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            “Simple. A force (EPRDF) that has been coordinating with another force (TPDM) for a year doesn’t do NOTHING on D-Day.”

            Only from this?
            -What if plans went wrong?
            -What if communication broke down?
            -What if the Ethiopians were complacent and under estimated the reaction from the Ethiopian forces?
            ——————–
            Like you said we should wait for the numbers, we should wait for Mola for the story as well.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello SAAY
            With all due respect, you will not find that number from Mola. Because, he is not giving the interview under neutral state of mind.
            a/if he was an operative, he will tell the intelligence handlers the right number, they know it already anyway (we are told they handled him for about a year); but he will give a politically useful number to the public as already told by the TV.
            b, if moving to Ethiopia was worked out as a last resort to evade capture or death, he will give the intelligence the real number (fresh to them?), but the political spin will stay the same.
            All in all, Mola’s official number will be to the effect of “They are done.”

          • Volte Face

            Dear saay, with all due respect, I think TPDM is done for good irrespective of how many soldiers they have left now in Eritrea. We don’t quite know how charismatic and influential MA was but the moral of whoever is left behind can be expected to have hit rock bottom and reorganizing will outlive PFDJ.

          • dawit

            Volte Fare,

            Here is what the remaining 97% TPDM are saying.

            http://tpdm.net/archives/6875

            The transfer or power had already done. Beranu Nega is the new leader. I agree with you TPDM as a a tribal group might disappear, and would integrate fully with G7-Arbegnoch Ginbar. By this move may be Isaias, have dissolved TPDM and moved its troops to the other kid on the block. In fudal Ethiopia, there was a saying, Galla bimot galla yetekal. If Molla leave he will be replaced by Mullu. She will lead the troops to victory.

          • Volte Face

            dawit, there are new reports that 26 of the 30 central committee members of TPDM went with MA. Plus it is fair to suspect that TPDM probably had several thousands members on the ground in Eritrea rather than 20,000.

          • saay7

            Hey Volte Face:

            One of the things one learns from observing organizations that split and merge is the first reports, like all first war reports, are almost always wrong. All I am asking is for people to wait to get the announcement from the non-Molla TPDM before making a judgement on whether it is dead, merged. We have no idea what the group dynamics was, whether Molla (the sole chairman of TPDM since its founding) was a beloved figure or a tyrant; whether it, like all African political orgs, is facrionalized by sub-region. Even the “this group is patriotic but that group is a terrorist” that the official Ethiopian media announced is common place in all Eritrean group Mergers and Dissolutions. Skepticism is warranted.

            saay

          • Volte Face

            Saay, I am optimistic that something good will come out of this (the further isolation and weakening of PFDJ) but I have to admit it is hard to argue against what you are saying realistically. I also alluded to the fact that it is unknown how much influence MA had on the group. Maybe it is a good riddance for them for all we know. I also find it hard to argue against anyone who says that the departure of MA along with ’26 of his central committee members’ must be a fatal blow to the group. Just the propaganda itself could suffice to dismantle the rest unless they are somehow quickly reorganized with a strong and charismatic leader. I would bet the first scenario is more likely. Either way, it is extremely hard to see how PFDJ could be not impacted negatively to at least the smallest extent.

          • saay7

            Selamat Volte Face:

            Here’s something to consider. The TPDM political program (unsurprising coming from a former Weyane) defined Ethiopia by “nations and nationalities.” This is anathema to the One Ethiopia vision of the Berhanu Neggas and, more importantly, to Isaias Afwerki. Now, what if what happened is the visionaries of “nations and nationalities” within EPDM (DeMHT) left for Sudan and what’s left is 4 central committee members, thousands of soldiers, and their One Ethiopia vision?

            We don’t know. Yet.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hello VF and saay,

            VF: PFDJ will not be impacted to the list, the Eritrean people and their prospect for peace and stability will take a big blow. If anything that impacts PFDJ happens, it simply quietly backs down. That happened on TFG, 2%, mining income, acceptance of AU peace plan… So the tap will be picked up by the poor people who will be left on the ditch in the end.

            saay: you’re right in the way you set up the contradiction from the TPDM numbers resulting in SMEG paradox. The point is however, would the UN be concerned by apparent discrepancy of the numbers referred to by SMEG that they picked up from an interviewee or the sight of video footage of piled armaments and hundreds of armed people crossing international boundary? I think the number discrepancy may have currency for mekete meetings and the eye browse raising sight of dangerous movements will bury PFDJ for what it is worth in its response to the upcoming SMEG.

            regards

      • derebw

        Hi Saay

        Do you find what transpired a bitter pill to swallow? In your earlier comment you qibled on the authenticity of Ben’s reporting, including siting examples which in your mind were false reporting but Ben has always been correct to the dot including the aerial bombardment of Bisha gold mine and Myieni by the Ethiopian air force.
        Is it because you care or are you worried about the fate of the remaining Demhit members that you ask what will happen to remaining fighters?
        The issue is did Molla foil a big plot and thwart the goals of the belligerent PFDJ. As to what will happen next it is neither in your hands or mine to determine but it for sure is not going to be easy for Isias.
        Ethiopia is ready to take whatever is action necessary to mitigate, foil and finally retaliate for any action/incursion/ attack the PFDJ wants to perpetrate via any one from Eritrea. The aerial bombardments and the punishing actions the Ethiopian army took inside Eritrea in the recent past were warning to Isias and he knows it.
        Isias may be toasting or smoldering like charcoal but he can’t do anything about it. Trust me this was a big blow to Isias and his idiot leader wannabe servant Berhanu.
        You seem to talk about Berhanu’s Starbucks coffee habit but we Ethiopians will leave that impertinent activity to Berhanu and to those of you who may share a cup of coffee with him in the hope of future salvation but to us it is not what he drinks or where he spends his leisure time that we care about but his other activities such as the one that he tried to do from Dubai that gained him entrance into the black list of terrorists.
        You may in your cynical way want to imply or put doubt in the reader’s mind that the listing of some political organizations as terrorists was linked to the visit by the then secretary of state H.Clinton but nothing can be the farthest from the truth. It is bogus and I suspect you share the same malady like Isias and PFDJ that everything is about the USA.
        The arbegnoch Ginbar, TPDM and there are others that were not listed as terrorists because they didn’t plan an attack on soft targets (civilians) but aimed at raising their arms to fight the system, which has a qualitative distinction.
        I hope & pray that Isias will be careful as the next action will not bode well for him and it may revisit more suffering on the people unnecessarily.

  • dawit

    Pass the salt
    Thanks Pts. Indeed it is a timely wakeup call to all concerned. That is why I wanted if Awates could discuss the issue soberly without the usual uncivilized name calling of the government or opposition supporters.

  • said

    Dear Horizon

    Your statement and respond to my long comment, you stated as below

    (A) hegemonic dreams of Eritrean elites, the fear of Christian Ethiopia and the famous rhetoric that Ethiopia is nothing and she will succumb easily and come under control and exploited, if she lost the ports.

    (B) If you tell me that Gedli came to being, because the emperor abrogated the federation, I do not believe it; when the Eritrean assembly has itself unanimously voted for the end of the federation.

    (C)Gedli was the brain child of mainly Muslim lowlanders, and it was created in a laboratory at Cairo University. One can understand the feeling some people had towards the so-called Christian Ethiopiaof the time. and you said.They were also flirting with the future of Eritrea within the Arab world.

    I will repeat for you again in regard the 2 point you identified .

    The fear of Christian Ethiopia. You identity Ethiopia as Christian identity.

    In regard Gedli is being commented numerous time i would not repeat the same. in regard Mainly Muslim lowlanders and flirting Arab world.

    If assume Andenat abrogated the federation, Eritrean Muslim and christen tiny minority who voted for abrogation of Eritrean parliament ,that was the case an at the end there was no ”legal option” left to Eritrean to find out and choose and how many people were in favour of independence of Eritrea was never put to test . Long story short, today we are paying the price for the Andenat action, we find ourselves in a state of crisis politically, economically, socially and culturally and suppression religious . That a major cause for these crises is that many Eritrean ( Andenat ) unionist elite have been caught up blindly supporting the backward -repressive policies of Ethiopian government. Too often at time depend upon the government for their next salaries and have been stripped of their ability to speak truthfully to power of the king. And blind obedience to the ruler. some may argue ,they would never have behaved the way they acted and behaved would never have collaborated, if Ethiopia it acted the way they acted and brutally invaded Eritrea. . His majesty emperor brazenly violated international law . the “root cause” and total “silence” of United Nation ,in the same token the same about the massacres in Eritrea ,the same goes “as an measure of Ethiopian public indifference”. They reasoned that they “would incur no lost or costs” if they did nothing, but “remained silent “For all their excesses and loud cries of “as it never happened”.

    They accepted genocide and pretended it had nothing to do with Ethiopian. That this Ethiopian generation should look not the other way and silent and don’t care. Eritrean victims of the greatest of crimes; they are nameless people, whose bombed and crushed and mutilated bodies are left in unvisited graves in many part of Eritrea .

    Those thugs (Andenat) you mentioned who were not courageous enough and dignified enough to speak out in the face of oppressive and fascist king, tracing this to their love of material benefits and high position. The reactionary movement, in defense of power of the king and privilege against their Eritrean democratic brothers .

    today Eritrean are fighting to reclaim and restate our pre annexation era of democratic and free tradition , so never again and that will no longer harbor despots and tyrants and conveniently be used to accept ,a rubber-stamp political opportunism and unprincipled and unjust functional interests as was the case of unionist thugs .

    Those who enjoy the benefits of freedom of thought and speech must contribute to thinking through the fog of the current disaster and recurring problem and violence we face in Eritrea.

    History now repeats itself under the eternal recurrence of the precedents and sequences (and its subsequent effects of sequences) and the root cause of the crisis is Ethiopian ANNEXSTION of Eritrea ; the “consequences” what happened after colonizing and invading Eritrea by Ethiopian military incursion an military intervention in Eritrea, and small group of Eritrean unionist ‘ Mam Ethiopian thugs’ that played a major and a central role in legitimising the Ethiopian’s aggression against entire Eritrean nation-state and for their own private gain and agendas, thugs decided to turn their own homeland into a war-zone. Out of war devastation comes, how Eritrean front started by Whom is immaterial, as you mentioned it started with Muslim Lowland, it is an insulate to them your pernicity in dehumanising the evil Eritrean Muslim Lowlanders , not indigenous peoples as those they are bloody foreigner! Treated with contempt and chastisements, It was the bloody Arab foreigner! Therefore, down with the invading foreigners, that you supported and encouraged one to believe, it is a pure fiction.

    The existence of a system of oppression that was created and then dehumanises Eritrea victims of policies that you support. Your cruelty or stupidity of political langue is permissible as long as it is cloaked in “appropriate political” language, you could not see suffering and vulnerability of humanity. Maybe will never have that chance to meet them those suffered , of course, Oh, well sorry, But what you witnessing is a new nation.

    The unionist all eager to dance to the Ethiopian government’s tune and tugs were never concerned for the future of Eritrea and an alarming and predictable sequences of “Ethiopian internal intervention” was well planned “inevitable.” in blatant violation of international law. They bear the responsibilities for causing the consequences current catastrophe. “Responsibilities” we have 30 year long history – a history with enduring consequences – and follow a familiar pattern. During Ethiopian colonization of Eritrea, This consequences of history has not ended; the inevitably created Gedli ELF and more fronts and the next it continues EPLF and today we end up with one man show DIA and should give us pause to wonder. The causes of the Eritrean crisis, the next one is already in the making probably. The ugly honesty has had calamitous consequences, nowhere more so than in Eritrea.

    I wrote you in great length about Ethiopian army in bombing innocent people. With collateral damage — parading havoc across Eritrea in the form of civilian casualties and massacre of civilians?

    The lands have been war torn for years, for more than three decade bombed to ashes. The consequences of what happened in the history of this tragedy have been wave of refugees for years, and from 60th there have been refugees dying in their attempts to escape Eritrea.

  • Abel

    DEMHIT no more!!! who would the apologist blame for the misdeed of HIGDEF?

  • dawit

    Selam to All.

    Here is a sober minded Eritrean, a Professional Educator and a prolific writer, writing on the objective current situation of Eritrea. I want to know the reaction of Awate.com participants, Eritreans the Justice Seekers, the PFDJ supporters, Ethiopians TPLF and EPRDF supporters have to comment on his ideas. Perhaps it is worthwhile to spend discussing such ideas that would affects us all in the region. Dr. Tesfas’s Articled appeared at Meskerem erigazette.org

    http://www.erigazette.org/?p=8793

    dawit

    • haileTG

      Hey dawit,

      I know Dr Tesfa in person. I have great respect for his interest in community development issues of Eritrean diaspora. Even if I predicted that work of his will never bear fruit while there is something called PFDJ (i.e. there will never be a developed community in diaspora with the terror group hgdef around), I still consider him an asset for future peace time when PFDJ is no longer. His second leg article in politics is one of the only two political articles I read of him. The first one was about finding meaningful politics in diaspora and now this one. In the first one, I admit, he made some valid points, albeit from hgdefism and its inherent backwardness frame of mind. This one has exposed him big time as someone for whom politics is a big “don’t go there” sort of thing. His wishing long life and health to IA and then going to say PFDJ has no support, his generals are corrupt and if he dies while things in this condition, the country is doomed, shows you he is frightened poor soul than thinking straight. Trying to go overboard to convince us that people actually die also betrays his beating around the bush. His salvo on the opposition was a cheap shot. An opportunistic plea of his sort isn’t credible to critic people who stood for justice with guts when he was filling his stomach with PFDJ. Overall, his political hypothesis is based on the wrong belief that the “silent majority” conception is still valid. No it is not. His calculation that he can sideline PFDJ and predict IA will die would allow him to do a Molla Asgedom Take II on his hgdef is poor judgement. With this article, the man proved that politics is not for him.

      Thanks for sharing.

      Regards

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Dawitom,

      All the worries Mr. Tesfa mentioned are also my worries. I even remember discussing, in small scale, similar topic with Mr. Amanuel Hidrat using the Ethiopian Students Movement and Derg’s kidnaping of it as an example. However, introducing his article using Asheber the lion, King of Saudi, Queen Elizabeth, and Prince William as an example of peaceful transfer of power was a serious mistake.

      He could have talked about picking up the pace to finish writing the constitution for that very purpose instead of subliminally suggesting that IA’s offspring should inherit his power “for the sake of peace.” An old and forgotten imperialist system’s transfer of power is as dead in Eritrea as it is in Russia.

      If one subtracts the message in the first two paragraphs, Mr. Tesfa sounds genuinely concerned about the potential chaos a power vacuum may create upon the sudden departure of IA. His call for all Eritreans to unite to tackle that unknown could get more acceptance had he not been too obvious on his support for IA.

      I have seen many concerned Eritreans failing on this one particular point several times. They start to be as neutral as a shimagle should be to only dilute their important message by exposing their preferences at the same time.

      All things considered, it is a good message especially if one manages to go around the unnecessary palisade.

  • Haile Zeru

    Selam Semere Andom

    Thanks for writing and making us, readers, contemplate for a second on the life of Haile woldetensae (durue).
    It is a life of unending struggle, pitfalls and triumphs. It is extremely (l just do not find the right words) sad the way his life is nearing its conclusion. His legacy will live for ever. He will be remembered for what he really struggled and accomplished and not for what the regime (DIA) is depicting him.

    One note though, He is older, wiser and better educated than IA. I do not understand why he couldn’t see a step ahead and did something to counter IA evil plans.
    From what I heard he put to much weight on the democratic process and the people uprising in case of foul play.
    None of these assumptions are working so far.

  • Ahadu

    Hello Awatistas !

    Demhit with their leader Molla asgedom Crossed to Ethiopia last night in pictures: https://www.facebook.com/EthiopiaFirstcom-377191745812444/timeline/

  • Haile Zeru

    Haile Zeru

  • Truth

    Dear Ms Pappilion :
    There is a difference between ” Enda Siwa Style Gossip” and Freedom of Speech!
    If u cannot differentiate both, tell us why the Journalists and the Opposition Figures are being kidnapped and killed!
    The Terrorism Law was passed to that effect,I.e.,to mute and shut up the Real Freedom of Speech!
    How about that?
    To be clear here:
    We R not comparing Apples and Oranges!

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    You said: “… they are getting away with their acting drama presenting themselves as Eritreans”

    So, being Eritrean must be the Gold Standard?

    I would like to pretend to be either from North Korea or Singapore and criticise PFDJ, will that be permitted? I know that real Eritreans are not permitted to criticise PFDJ because they have been told by Isaias that their country’s business is none of their business.

  • AOsman

    Dear Papillon,

    The way to poke a hole on the link provided by SAAY is to look for a country that you consider worse but fares better on the ranking. I thought Eyob was doing that when he mentioned medieval King (I assumed Saudi), but it turns out it is below Ethiopia.

    https://index.rsf.org/#!/index-details

    By the we are the “best” as Dawit would say, nobody beats us with highest value Eritrea (180). We even beat Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (179), rather than calling us the North Korea or Africa, call them the “Eritrea” of Asia.

    Regards
    AOsman

  • Hayat Adem

    Hello passer_by, dawit, guest, truth, and cohorts:
    You are not focusing on what Papi is saying. What makes you think that you can handle her if you can’t handle what she says? Here are a list of few “if you…” things for you, guys:
    If you are unable to engage her on what she has to say, you can’t try to engage her on what she is.
    If you can’t be Papi, at least, respect Papi. If you can’t respect Papi, at least respect the forum. If you can’t respect the forum, at least, respect your self. If you can’t do all that, go and figure what you are useful for. But refrain from biting more than you can chew. Papi is way beyond your pay grade, and it simply has to be that way between you and her.
    I just have to say this not that Papi needs it but out of a self-feeling to shush your senseless feeds. And I hate to be in the business of shushing people in same way a KG teacher is.

    • Truth

      Hahah Hayat :
      R U feeling guilty now?
      Keep going…
      Tnx to the AT and the Moderators!

  • passer_by

    Hello Guest,
    You nailed it. The duplicity of Papillon and the likes is so obvious and oblivious that a simple follow up (as you did) will reveal how naked she is or they are. They are hired guns hell bent to dismantle Eritrea and fulfill their long held plan of breaking up Eritrea in pieces for their agenda. I bet you they are so happy that the repressive regime in Eritrea stays even longer that Eritrea become beyond repair. They do not want to see a strong democratic Eritrea.
    They do not have any principle… if they think they have power, their aim is still to have this Greater Tigray (Xxxxx Ethiopia) and the moment they think they do not have the power they will even vomit Green, Yellow and Red. Papillon is just manifestations of this duplicity, but not refined, just a raw one. Simply they are untrustworthy.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Papillon,

    Sal knows how these people collect their data and he knows how untrustworthy they are. He knows very well that they use these “data” and “indexes” to intimidate countries with bad headlines to have them submit to their ideological will. He knows that the same people don’t care much a head beheading and hand chopping mideval kings always get easy pass from these “index gurus” he seems to trust to so much… Right, Sal?

    • saay7

      Hi Eyob:

      You will be happy to note that the “head beheading” (can you behead anything else) and “hand chopping mideval king” country did worse than Ethiopia. So that should restore your faith in the index builders. And you can use that in Ethiopia’s tourism slogan “We suck…but not as badly as Saudi Arabia.” And leave the 23-year old professional data crunchers all alone:)

      Saay

  • Ted

    Hi Guest, Semere sets up a moving target for all of us. No one can be able to fulfills his expectations, desperate, not shy to try with devils. When we think we have him in the club, he hymns from our bad friends tune. He will come around , he is in qualified hands here in Awate.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Ted and Guest:
      If you guys spare Haile DruE’s life and he makes it post “seb Gzieye” as our parents used to say about Derg’s “affagin”, their version of their version of the ancient saying ,” this, too shall pass”, then we will ask Haile if this article was a tribute or an insult
      September is many things in Eritrea: it is Qdus Yohannes to boot, it is the when harvest begins, it is the month when the armed struggle was sparked to lighten the darkness. Enter PJDJ, it added Sep 18, darkness, but as the bible says darkness cannot stand even the face faintest light. So in this month any thing that pays tribute to heroes, any utterance that brings to the forefront the evil that befall Eritrea should be welcome

      • Ted

        Hi, Semere, It is all good what you wrote above knowing my understanding of your take on things is case by case.

        Hi Truth, if pappi were Muslim, i would say they are the same:-) Hayat is more disciplined guarding her Eritreaness and more polished in her argument.

    • Truth

      Ted and Guest:
      Can u tell me the difference between Pappilion and Hayat Adem?

      • Amde

        Ato Truth,

        Very easy. One is awesome. The other is very awesome. They are so awesome they make me wanna be a woman. Then i look at myself in the mirror and know that sadly that is not In the cards for me.

        Happy new year Truth.

        • Truth

          Hahah …..Mr Amde:
          It sounds like you understood me well besides reading my mind!
          Kudos to U!
          Do u understand the Ge’ez saying :
          ” Ni’amiromu ghibromu
          Le’korabtihomu”!?
          Melkam Enkutatash!

  • derebew

    Hi belay

    I don’t think so. I think this thing that Isias knows comes from fear. It is canning how dictators and autocrats control people by fear, dubiously fabricating a name for themselves and becoming evasively smart. This doesn’t how ever reflect on their intelligence but their innate wild like ability mostly by bing brute and subduing, terrorizing their comrades in the arenas of politics like bullies do in school grounds. That is until they wobble and lose control then things are turned on them like in the case of Mengistu, Siad Barre, Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein. By the way all the above are Isias’ mentors except Mengistu. And it appears Mengistu has fared better than his mentors and when things start to unravel around Isias his fate will most likely be like his masters.

    What has taken place among the Arbengoch Ginbar is not surprising to me because it has been the modus operandi of the weakling opposition who are bound by the affinity of hate to Woyane. They have no common purpose or goal that could be a binding lattice between them and they were doomed from the beginning be it spontaneously or by overwhelming force of the Woyane.
    The PFDJ’s life has been unduly prolonged by the weakness of the Eritrean opposition that have more or less similar but less virulent attitude to each other than the Ethiopian opposition have to each other.
    There is however one thing I agree with you that Isias has been scared because Ethiopia has repeatedly and openly declared that it keeps the right to do what Ethiopia thinks is right to retaliate against any invasion or attack that emanates from Eritrea including decapitating Isias and he knows that. The punishing incursions and arial bombardments inside Eritrea in the recent past were a warning to Isias and I am sure he feels relieved of the fact that he has spontaneously vomited them than being gaged and have his DNA taken / get dental work by Ethiopian soldiers like Sadam Hussein.

  • haileTG

    hey garbage, I saw that with my eyes. How long you gonna hide behind ego. You’re a thieve in Eritrea with limited shelve life, I am a proudly placed there. Not bastardized like you, player. You know where you come from, don’t you? That is the sewer you belong. Parasite chemlaq

  • Ted

    Hi Guest:
    While we wear our cloth inside out grieving for the loss of our compatriots and life hardship, አገርመኻን they(“Eritreans”) happen to hear it from their FRIENDS and COUSINS. They take a Heart/Mind thing to the next level. I don’t know why they think pretending to be Eritrean make their argument compelling and then the heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing. They better know the position to be harsh on the GoE and toothless lackey to TPLF is taken by our ‘terrible” Eritrean Semere Andome.

  • saay7

    Selamat papillon:

    I am sorry: did I break your concentration? freedom of speech is not measured by how free that people who agreement with government feel (as you do with EPRDF) but how free that who don’t agreement feel in expressing themselves. Those who rank these things have ranked Ethiopia and it is not even controversial:

    https://index.rsf.org/#!/index-details/ETH

    On “Eritrea is the North Korea of Africa”, it is lazy when westerners say it; its opportunistic (a temporary high) when Eritreans say it. Those in Eritrea we are trying to reach (ordinary Eritrean) doesn’t know what North Korea is; those foreigners who are informed about the world know the difference. It is a pointless thing really: it was said by a diplomat in 2007 to the LA Times. The rest is just inertia.

    Now read about all the freedom of expression Ethiopians have in the index I shared with u.

    saay

    • drebew

      Hi Saay

      Sorry to deflate your inflated balloon of jingoism but as much your Eritreans wouldn’t know of North Korea we Ethiopians do not know or care of the self appointed you mentioned above,

      “Those who rank these things have ranked Ethiopia and it is not even controversial:”

      What is fact is there are opposition members that say a hell of a lot more than what your G15 said or accused of having done and live free in Ethiopia including publishing books that demonize the “Woyane” while Eritrean veterans and leaders of the struggle have been made to disappear for merely airing a benign opinion.
      The youth in Ethiopia are free to pursue their dream while generations of Eritrean youth are languishing in fox holes or in refugee camps save for the few thousands that are in Ethiopian Universities.
      Those splinter groups from the TPLF are living comfortable and lead respected life, some have pursued higher education and others business and few joined the opposition and live free in Ethiopia and travel free to any part of the world for education, business or for fund raising for their opposition parties, while Eritrean politicians who dared ask reform and journalists who reported on those facts have died or are on the verge of dying in the horrible prisons of Eritrea without a days right in court or chance of visitation by their loved ones.
      The likes of Seye one of the top leaders in the Woyane with high portfolio including minister of defence had his day in court served 3 years prison term and he has freely joined the opposition in Ethiopia. Seye has said a whole lot more evil things about the Woyane than the total sum of the tens of thousands of people languishing in Eritrean prisons or made to disappear by PFDJ of Eritrea.
      What is there to compare between light and pitch darkness, when there isn’t even a shed of grey?
      I can not help but wonder what it will take for persons like you to become realistic of the situation and give a fair assessment of the two countries.
      Eritrea, a tiny country, with a population of less than 5 million has been abandoned by huge percentage of its productive force and the remaining is in bondage ( lifetime of military service) and you think comparison with North Korea is “pointless” ?

      Eritrea has become a hell hole on earth worse than North Korea, I am sure there are many North Koreans who are offended by the comparison with Eritrea for the same jingoistic reason like yours.

      Yes the democratic space in Ethiopia has a lot more to go to reach the ideal (if there is ideal democracy as everything is relative) democracy we Ethiopians wish but comparing Eritrea and Ethiopia is moot.
      Meskerem has been always wonderful for us in Ethiopia and this new year has come with a fantastic news that the terrorists that were trained by Eritrea at great cost & sacrifice have abandoned PFDJ land and crossed to Ethiopia and the Sudan.
      The false hope of the dying beast PFDJ has gone puff. PFDJ has taken its last gasp, inspired and exhaled its last breath, it is (PFDJ) a caracas of what it use to be a hyna that devoured the youth of Eritrea with the help of its enablers who have also contributed members of their family to the beast.
      PFDJ is a beast & nothing to compare to but the devil Isias with his mentors Gadhafi, Sadam Hussein and Sadat. His end will be similar to Gaddafi or Hussein and may be at that time you will cahnge your tune.

    • dawit

      Hi Saay7,

      During Haile Selassie’s there was freedom and Dergu’ time there was freedom to urinate or deficate any empty spot as long as you praise the king ‘Long live to HS I’ (Idme le-haile Selassie). May be people are confusing that kind of “Freedom of Speeches” with the freedom to deficate or urinate in public.

    • Music Novice

      Greetings saay,

      You said: “Those in Eritrea whom we are trying to reach (ordinary Eritrean) doesn’t know what North Korea is …”

      So, do you mean that is it only people such as passer_by, Ted, dawit and Guest who know North Korea?

      But, wait a minute, wasn’t it the peasant based, brave and wise Eritrean guerrilla army that defeated one of the largest armies in Africa? I think you are underestimating Eritreans, who are guaranteed to faithfully follow like a sheep some urban types who dropped out of a University and some High Schools.

      • saay7

        Hey MN:

        First, use Floyd lyrics sparingly, like the acid its fans used to drop: for medicinal reasons only:)

        Second, the points of reference for the masses were the colonialists and occupying governments:

        Italians vs Turks
        Brits vs Italians
        Haileselassie vs Brits
        Derg vs Haileselassie
        PFDJ vs Derg

        Korea, north or south, is not a point of reference other than the quality of the apartments they construct in Asmara (enda Korea)

        We had this discussion before: the elite always lead and the masses follow: so don’t try to make it just an Eritrean thing. And as Tes told us about his age cohort, the PFDJ, they can talk about Huntington and Bolivar all day: so the elite still lead and the masses still follow. Even in exceptional Eritrea:)

        saay

  • Guest

    Harbegna Tegadalay,
    It is me again, this time with a question 🙂
    In an attempt to separate EPLF from PFDJ* and IA (and few on the leadership) from PFDJ, and further separate IA from his people, remember how you always say: All the good things that happened in the past and still happening now, including fighting and bringing about independence of Eritrea is the people’s* (the leadership has nothing to do with it), while whatever bad thing believed to have happened is solely IA’s (The leadership)? Remember that? of course you do, you proudly say it every time any one points out that IA, as a chairman of EPLF lead one of a kind successful revolution.
    No, that is not the question:)
    Now whenever you talk about removing PFDJ, you know how you always say PFDJ is hated by the people (And is on the brisk of falling) and the people are all ready and all, only,..only a good leadership and a charismatic leader is missing. Actually you blame the so called opposition for not leading the people? you remember that? of course you do, you just said it in the comment I am replying to 🙂 . No, that is not the question either:)
    So harbegna Tegadalay Mahmuday, on one hand you try (Not a characteristic of a real Eritrean tegadalay) to diminish the role of the EPLF leadership (who lead the most formidable front and one who rallied the whole of the Eritrean people and secured independence of Eritrea), to the point of not worth to get any credit, because according to you, people bring independence*. On the other hand now (A characteristic of Internet tegadalay) you are huffing and puffing looking for leadership among people who have absolutely no commonality (Except hate of IA) with each the Eritrean people nor with each other, to lead people?
    Besides, how come you failed to realize if you offer one thousandth of the compromise you are willing to offering to the so called opposition to come closer to them (Regionalists, religious fanatics, grudge driven, hated, unionists, YGsts. All disastrous for Eritrea) to PFDJ, you basically have more commonality than difference?
    * Of course we are ignoring the very fact that PFDJ/EPLF is a collection of Eritreans, meaning they are also part of the people. Meaning when you say the Eritrean people brought about independence at least they did to as part of the people, no?
    That is the question:

    *Of course to distance yourself from the group you abandoned in (1992? 93?) and of course in an attempt to free yourself from any blame for things ELFites love to pile up here

    • haileTG

      Mahmuday,

      Don’t bother with this fly-by-night. They are the same person who wrote you about your kids blah blah the last time. I call the a the dead person walking because I finished her off by unearthing her disgusting writing at dehai a couple of years ago. Since then she turned to a ghost. Her problem with you is that she was thinking she can have parasitic relationship with you, until the fateful day: the day you wrote that damming letter to wedi Gherahtu. The mercenary is now on a mission, she can’t talk to you straight. Her ways to patronize and underestimate is so common, she tried it with me when she met her fate. I took her by the ears and gave here a right slap downs, that took awatista by surprise and nicknamed her haile’s punch bag haha… She is prisoner of where framed mind set and hopelessly glued to a predictable manner of debating. In real life, she has already chewed more than she can swallow:) Just a heads up bro.

  • haileTG

    Hey Awatista

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYWEvgYXrjA

    A summary of the PFDJ ordeals and critical look.

    Regards

    • Pass the salt

      Thanks HaileTG.
      Alemneh is one of my most favorite Ethiopians. I love him because he enthusiastically covers Eritrea’s sport victories.
      On the subject though, here is the clearest information I have seen so far.

      http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/09/13/ethiopian-rebels-flee-eritrea-en-masse-to-sudan/

      It still is a developing story and we might get more info. I am counting on radio Erena – they got the resources and man power. We shall see.

      • dawit

        Pass the salt,
        I saw in one picture that they were treated with bottles of Fanta orange soda drinks to celebrate their new ‘freedom’ by the Sudanese border guards. I am wondering what Mole is thinking at his remote undisclosed location about the 9400 soldiers he left behind in Eritrea. They were youngsters who trusted him as their leader?

      • Papillon

        Hey PTS,

        Here is a better take.

        http://www.mereja.com/amharic/466910

    • dawit

      Dear haile TG;

      Where did you get this guy reminiscence of the DERGU era? He is trying to terrorized his listeners with the kind of ‘ye-fiyel wotete’ 21st Century style ‘Hateta’! I am reading from many Ethiopians and Eritreans comments that Mole (Mola) is removed. which will strength the Ethiopian united armed opposition more united? What will it be his effect on the Eritrean opposition group? Would that help them to unite to topple PIA, now PIA has lost his Demhit body guards? What do you think?
      Regards

  • haileTG

    Papillon in case you wondering this dirty minded started as Asmara to write here. I now lost count of its reincarnated names. We dealt her a final low long ago.

  • haileTG

    Hahaha. .. so what is the score with demhit? Hahaha. … mote. ..geld am? You killing me hahaha neyaka Belo .. hahaha hahaha I got to go, I never laughed this much ..ya about demhit hahaha. …