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Strapping Youth: How Do You Feel About Our Incarceration?

September 18, 2015 will commemorate the 14th year since the G-15 have disappeared into the Eritrean ether. The last count pegged the number of political prisoners to about 10,000. To remember this dark day, Amanuel Eyasu of Assenna interviewed Michael Araya, a former prison guard whom serendipity chose as one of the witnesses of the tragic story of the G-15.

He shared anecdotes of Sherifo, Aster, Maryem, Ogbe, Berhane and Haile DeruE. All unique and revealing, all intimate and heart wrenching. I am sure more able writers will pen about Eritrea’s decadence with better eloquence to indelibly document the crimes against humanity. But one thing that Michael Araya shared about Haile DeruE lingered longer with me. His story is particularly unique because the last one is the third time he is incarcerated. He has defied the last two. The second time he was sentenced to death, but a few days before his execution the ELF, after a meticulous planning successfully freed him with about a 1000 other prisoners. This audacious operation orchestrated the release of prisoners from both Asmara and Adi-Kaula prisons. Haile DruE among many former EPLF fighters was the beneficiary of that bravery. He joined his comrades in Sahel and returned to Asmara with the rest in 1991.

But many remember Haile DeruE not from his prison years, or Sahel days but from his services as Eritrean foreign minister who doggedly negotiated on behalf of Eritrea. Most people also remember him from his “tetelaQina” speech which PFDJ first applauded, then shrewdly manipulated to implicate him with “defeatism.”

In the above mentioned interview Michael Araya told Amanuel that Haile, DeruE was the first one to immediately accept the reality. He did not complain, exuded patience and upbeat demeanor. He never called his captors (guards) by their names, instead he endearingly referred to them as “gobezay” (Strapping Youth). The translation may not be apt, but the Tigrinya word connotes vigor, strength, audacity and tenacity, traits that this son of Eritrea is intimately familiar with. The last time he was freed from the Derg dungeons was by Eritrean “gobezays” in an operation when vigor and strength conflated with audacity and tenacity bestowed freedom to the chained.

Haile asked the guard of “gobezays”, how they felt about his and his colleagues’ imprisonment given that they have been part of the armed struggle that liberated Eritrea. One can imagine his heart longing for his days as a “gobezay” himself when his youthful legs effortlessly saddled the hills and rocks of Sahel. The open ended question he posed could not have been random but one that sprang from the memory seared in his mind when the Eritrean strapping youth freed him from prison to spare his life. He did not disappoint them. Prison did not soften him; it hardened him. He resumed what he commenced and became one of the founding fathers of Eritrea.

More than a decade ago when his disciples dubbed Isaias Afwerki the George Washington of Eritrea and his detractors called that notion a travesty, Saleh Younis, a founding member on his own right of a different nation, Awate, offered an alternative and creative rebut to both. In one of his articles he said something to the effect of: “Ok, Isaias Afwerki is the George Washington of Eritrea as both are first presidents but the question is where are the Thomas Jeffersons, the James Maddisons and James Mornoes of Eritrea?” Feel free to pick a counterpart for Haile DerguE from the American founding fathers but my take away from Saleh’s article was this: being the numerical first president of Eritrea does not make one a George Washington, the other founding fathers with unimpeachable contributions on the making of the nation must surround him to be counted in the pantheons of George Washington.

I think of Haile DeruE as the Thomas Jefferson of Eritrea and he is languishing in jail along with the Madisons, Mornoes and Franklins of Eritrea, peers of the “gobezays” who freed the political prisoners in 1975. Then, the prisons were run by Ethiopians and most of the Eritreans were assigned to low level jobs. But that was then, Eritrea’s gilded age and the “gobezays” inspired by the courage of their peers in prison collaborated in the belly of the enemy and committed to free their friends, brothers and sisters. And free them they did. One of the prisoners who was freed by ELF in 1975 was Wolde-Dawit Temesghen who reportedly threatened his interrogators that he felt sorry for them as he was confident that Eritrean youth will free him. A decade later those words turned out to be prophetic and not a mere smarmy exuberance of a teenager. When Haile DeruE posed the question he might have been hoping that the youth will free him once again, this time from the grip of the system he helped create. But what he may not have known was that PFDJ’s Alchemy has turned the gold to arsenic. The prisons of Eritrea are stuffed with Eritreans but in the last 14 years the “gobezays” that all the prisoners are pinning their hopes on, have not come to their rescue. Imagine how inspiring and uplifting it would be to free all the prisoners from Ela-Erro en mass, reminiscent of the golden days, rejuvenating the luster that Haile DeruE may have counted on and many in his predicament have longed for.

The opposition has failed Eritrea in many areas: they squandered the myriad opportunities that PFDJ offered them to remove it. They failed to create a formidable and united force. They also colossally failed to figure out the invisible hand that is creating havoc in their midst. Their successes (biAwet tezazimu) like Jacob’s angle are nameless, their hips are dislocated but unlike Jacob they have not received the blessing and their followers shamelessly feed on the dislodged hips. They also put all their eggs in one basket, Ethiopia.

The time has come for the opposition to relinquish its current course of action. If the opposition keeps doing the same thing and is expecting a different result— Einstein’s’ diagnosis of insanity, their epitaphs will read: “those who journeyed to Ethiopia to be buried”, to paraphrase awate forum commenter. But all is not gloom. There is a course that does not require to be united and can be accomplished in silos, one that does not need the temperament to figure out who is manipulating you. The opposition should try to do the following for change, if they still want to be relevant in the struggle of regime change: freeing prisoners, targeting PFDJ’s lucrative business and saving refuges.

Another former guard at Ela-Erro, Eyob Bahta told Elsa Chyrum that Haile DeruE has lost his vision as he could discern from his gestures when handling his meals— if that is not an oxymoron! When I heard that, I coaxed my memory to hand me the end of Adrienne Rich’s poem, “From the Prison House”:

This eye is not for weeping
Its vision must be unblurred
Though tears are on my face
Its intention is clarity
It must forget nothing

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  • Tesfu

    By the way where is Sengal Woldetensae the brother of Durue? He is said to be in Addis Abeba but uttered no words. We expect him to write some articles on what Durue told him before his imprisonment.

    • saay7

      Selamat Tesfu:

      I believe he is in Boston, but for sure in the East coast. He testified at the event that was organized for the Rapporteur in Washington DC a couple of years ago. He is a humble and dignified man who, like most Eritreans, carries his wound with him quietly. The event and his speech was recorded: I just have never seen it.

      saay

  • Semere Andom

    Hi All:
    Meskerem, 18 is a venerated month in Eritrea, it is the month of new beginning, not only because of the new yea but also it is a harbinger that the dreary, gloomy rainy season has elapsed, transferring the baton of its toil and moil to the next season. Yemane Bariya sang Meskerem and many Habesha girls are named Meskerem, both express a spark after darkness.
    Enter PFDJ, they have to darken the brightness of September by giving us September 18. The crimes of Sept 18 are not new— PFDJ has committed more or equally heinous crimes before, but this day marks the cusp at which they crossed the chasm to officially “celebrate” their accomplishments by daring the people in their capital city, not in the dead of the night when they perfected their crimes, but in broad day light.
    When we remember this day, we must remember all the nameless people who PFDJ preyed on, lest we forget them. The old will eventually die but th young must not be condemned to forget.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Belay aka You know who. Why are you xxxxxxx? The matter is settled. Fanti have every right to express his thoughts and Aman H over reacted and Tes not to be out done, he had to say some toothless things. Fanti does not have to apologize at all but he greatness did anyways. Belay or you know who, stop feeding the bottom. Eritreans respect Fanti becouse Fanti is in true sense of the word; he is man of honer and a man of peace.

    • belay

      Hi Nitric,
      You said ” Stop feeding the bottom”

      Nitric, we are what we say: now, bottom feeder is written on your face.
      never heard a word like this before, and I don’t know what it means.
      Good luck with it.

  • Hayat Adem

    Yes Belay,
    But you got to admire Fanti one more time seeing how he gracefully handled this. Once great, always great.

  • Amanuel

    Hi Moderator
    Hope was banned because you disliked the nick? I though commentators were banned because they breached posting guide lines. I think you guys are behaving like dictators.

    • Amanuel

      Moderator
      Please don’t over react. My comment was because of this “just like we banned Hope, we can ban Truth. Hope was banned because we dislike the nick.” I thought you could have chosen better words to communicate with Truth.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dearest Friends: Emma and Saay,
    The “shocking” and “divisive” descriptions are much over-flagged. Some points here: a- Fanti attributed the feudal tendency characterization to how TPLF’s viewed ELF then. I don’t understand how Fanti should be reprimanded for what the TPLF owned; b- It is possible an organization’s declared manifesto could be progressive or leftist but the actual practice and culture could still be feudalistic; c-It is not just TPLF or Fanti, Proefessor Tesfatsion Medhanie (a man who can rightly claim no less entitled to ELF legacies than Emma) once wrote, “Even though it [ELF/ELM] included few intellectuals and other petty bourgeoisie, the leadership was dominated by bureaucrats known to have had strong feudal tendencies”; d- why would someone get shocked because someone has any kind of view about any org that died long ago; and why would any call it “divisive”; e- but most shocking here is Emma’s choice of words to state his disagreement: divisive, lies, stay away. It is shame both of you couldn’t be impacted by the pure humbleness Fanti has demonstrated to sooth projected emotions even if he knew he didn’t err a peny. This man is our own Ghandi in the awate house.
    Hayat

    • tes

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      When are you going to clean your lines?

      Anyhow, you said, “It is not just TPLF or Fanti, Proefessor Tesfatsion Medhanie (a man who can rightly claim no less entitled to ELF legacies than Emma) once wrote, “Even though it [ELF/ELM] included few intellectuals and other petty bourgeoisie, the leadership was dominated by bureaucrats known to have had strong feudal tendencies”

      Kindly exclude Fanti Ghana by now as it is not his stand nor his opinion.

      To cross examine your lines what you have put here is different from what we read recently.

      Leadership to have strong feudal tendencies and organization as a feaudal organization are two different things. Personally I don’t agree in both statements. ELF had acceptable reasons for its leaders to be stationed abroad. But there was internal dynamics that transformed ELF into a revolutionary organization with its full leadership that resided inside Eritrea and conducting its power within. More than that it had a secret party that has dominated its political activity.

      It is very natural that TPLF to characterize ELF as they wanted. What can we expect from a rebel group that has allied with EPLF during the civil war and shared his guiltiness in the Eritrean domestic revolutionary history? ELF was a formidable organization during its time and the political lines were immortal. TPLF identified this and he realized his grand dream (making of greater Tigray) could not be materialized especially by stripping some areas from Eritrea unless ELF was wiped-out and to make his dream TPLF did what it should.

      Regarding Professor Tesfatsion Medhanie, I have to study this man but he looks at odd on many historical facts. Yet he didn’t characterize his own organization as “feaudal organization”. He clearly differentiated what he meant regarding the leadership.

      Finally I found the word chosen by brother Amanuel Hidrat emotional. Fanti was only limited to ELF. He could have only contained him within that statement. Jumping to a higher level and accusing for unstated lines is not good. However Fanti Ghana should be aware off by now how ELF was played by TPLF and EPLF’s political definition.

      @semereandom:disqus Fanti Ghana is beyond what you are saying. He is a wise man that he can be corrected when he feels wrong. This character is only with wise people and he has it. We should not worry for the strong critics he was encountered with.

      tes

      • Hayat Adem

        Dearest Tes,
        Thanks for the note. Which one of my lines did you find unclean? We are the same on the greatness of Fanti and the excesses of Emma. I was not talking about TPLF’s motives for that characterization nor the rationality for it. But the fact that TPLF said so. Here, too, we are on the same page. Prf. Tesfatsion said “a leadership dominated with strong feudal tendencies” a view closer to TPLF’s than to Emma’s. Is the professor right? Is TPLF right? Is Emma right? These are not part of the discussion so we don’t need to agree or disagree on those. Orgs are identified by their programs and ideologies (written); and yes, but they are also identified by their organizational practice and culture.
        Hayat

        • tes

          Dear Hayat Adem,

          The lines that I found here unclean are of cumulative in nature. When I say something it is of progressive. Don’t speculate it only from what you put here.

          You may wonder then what forced me to state it today. Well, it is of your act as third party and trying to defend a statement and reaction given on behalf. In this aspect you became a free, a non-owner of either statement and brought your usual favorite subject of TPLF protectionism. I am not surpised though when you try to shade as if TPLF and professor Tesfatsion had the same statement. You have failed to own Eritrean history as yours and you always looked as neutral expert except in one area (you know what I mean).

          Ab abstructed response.

          tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Tes,
            Now you made it more Chinese! No, I do not know what you mean? Seriously, no clue. You will have to open up yourself a bit for me to know what you mean.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            It might be but knowing your exceptional analytical but one sided mind can not let the said above to be an abstract response for you. Just I said it to be.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            You see Tes, You have high expectations on me.
            Sorry, I failed you in not cracking this. I will do better next time.
            Hayat

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hayat,
      Could you please give me the conventional meaning of feudalism and feudalist (not your own definition) then I will see it whether your comment is worth of my reply.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Emma*,
        But there is no disagreement on the definition. Also, bear in mind that I’m not arguing on how/what should ELF be characterized with. Rather, there are few questions you may need to answer:
        1) It is TPLF that viewed ELF as feudal: to that extent do you believe TPLF is divisive and should stop viewing ELF as such? Have told your TPLF friends to change their mind or stay away from Eritrean politics, the you said it to Fanti?
        2) It is Prf. Tesfatsion and other scholars that characterized the leadership dominated with feudalistic tendencies. do you think they are playing divisive or do you they should stay away from Eritrean affairs?
        3) Do you think parties can declare one thing as their ideology and practice another thing in their daily activities, or you think if their ideology is socialism, if their program is socialistic, and if their bylaws are that of socialists, they are socialist? Ironically, Marxists believe ideas and concepts are born of practice. The essence of “whatness” is essentially from practice not from declared position papers.
        4) Here is my main point (I don’t mind if you ignore the above points) and focus on this one: let’s assume ELF was a progressive party though and through and none of feudal traits would explain its entire org’nal values; let’s also assume some one misunderstood the org’n and wrongly characterize it as feudalistic. Now, how is that view “divisive” now after ELF is no more for years; and how does that make you so angry that you’ve to deploy machete words against the “saint”?
        5) Fanti did no offense to ELF or its members, not comparable to the harsh words you threw on him: how does that make you feel when he apologized and you don’t?
        ——————————————-
        *Emma, this opinion is in spite of and because of all the respect I have for you for your steadiness and principledness.
        Hayat

        • tes

          Dear Hayat Adem,

          I will respond to your questions directed to me later but here I found a point that I should respond quickly. You are asking, “It is TPLF that viewed ELF as feudal: to that extent do you believe TPLF is divisive and should stop viewing ELF as such?”

          The question is directed to Emma but I will interject too. Yes TPLF was divisive. Not only divisive but he put his hand and sided with EPLF during the civil war. No one can forget that historical divisive nature of TPLF. No matter how TPLF looked brotherly his acts can not be forgotten. TPLF was divisive by words and acts.

          tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            How do you characterise the ELF? Was it progressive socialist, psychedelic hippie, Maoist, Albanian socialist (MLLT fashion), Tej bet/Enda mes socialist (Derg style), Jihadist, Feudal, Scandinavian liberal, Arab socialist, Urban guerrillas in the style of the Baader-Meinhof gang or were they a mixture of many strands?

          • tes

            Dear Music Novice,

            All I know about ELF is it is an organization that has succeeded to mobilize the whole Eritrean population against Ethiopian aggression. Point.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            A very diplomatic answer, you have avoided all the minefields. Your score is an A-star.

            But, after all, life is a game of merry-go-round till the final Point.

          • Hayat Adem

            kibur Tes,
            I understand, but the issue was whether Emma gets emotional at everyone, who viewed ELF as feudalist, in the same way he did at Fanti who only said so by attribution..

          • Abi

            Hi Hayat
            I am defending Ato Amanuel without invitation.
            There is no one here invested more in ELF than Ato Amanuel. He was involved in mass mobilization of eritreans in the heart of addis to liberate them from Feudal Ethiopia. He is reacting uncharacteristically because Fanti is telling him his long gone ELF was as feudal as Ethiopia itself. Very disappointing indeed.
            Although Fanti is the nicest person here, he has no business in dividing the long dead and forgotten entity.

          • Hayat Adem

            Aha Abi,
            You didn’t forgive him for that work of mass mobilization from Addis, did you?

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            Nice try. Calling ELF feudal should not have careened to this, St. Fanti said that in passing, it was not the bigger point of his message, his main point was addressing a bigger point I made regarding how Eritreans always got outsmarted when they faced Tigrayans. He misunderstood and we moved on.
            But to your discomfort about the feudal nature of Ethiopia: Melles has it, Sebhat Negga has said it, TPLF, the organization that heads the country now has said it
            I believe that Emma over reacted to Fanti, but by this biting comment you are just wasting your Arabl imported oil. Feudal ELF has gone to its permanent repose. Feudal Ethiopia is on the verge of joining ELF, but not in the sense of disintegration but in renaissance. Rejoice and find a closure;-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abi,

            Everything is well and good even with Fanti. It is because I have high regard on him that I react the way I did. And the respect will still remain to be so.The mobilization issue has found its conclusion in 1991. That is history now, and I don’t have any qualms what ever you say about it. It is fact. I was not defending ELF. I was defending history when it become distorted. That is all.

            Regards,

          • Estifanos

            Hi Amanuel HIdrat,

            Please admit that you overreacted yesterday and apologize to St. Fanti. then you can say ‘Everything is well and good’

            In my book , you don’t call someone you hold with high regard divisive and lair.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Estifanos,

            With due respect, there is nothing to apologize on my side. The statement was divisive and wasn’t factual.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Abi,

            Basically, what you are saying is ‘do not speak evil about the dead’. LOL!
            Sorry. But, I need to respect that.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Hayat,

          On which definition we do not have disagreement? I haven’t seen a definition for it in any comment. And all. your questions are framed not to tackel the issue but to defend fanti. Since Fanti has rested his case I would not chose to pull him to this. nonesense arguement.

          Regards

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes Emma,
            I have no issue at all. It is all about defending Fanti. If you think Fanti has rested his case, ELF had done so LONG, long ago.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi awatista:

    The man who lifted us by sharing a touching Eritrean story of a father, who named his daughter “Africa” in protest to a racist comment by an Arab, the man who shared with us the story of a Ona survivor who relinquished a scholarship opportunity in Syra on grounds of principle was non other than St. Fanti Ghana of Tigray, the son of Ethiopia and from his tone he was little down, so I am asking you to join me to lift.

    St Fanit if you still have that Gabi I am sharing with you one of my favorites of TPLF songs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV0zEFwsvGg

  • haileTG

    Dear Papillon,
    Today’s VOA Tigrinya broadcast also claims (as per the rebel’s #2 guy statement) that they were making efforts in “BereKatat Sudan” (read western Eritrea), to return some of the remaining Molla’s men in hiding. In the same breath the guy says Molla only mislead few people most of whom returned willingly. Aside from the issue that a person mislead by Molla can’t be still hiding after finding out it wasn’t Qudus Yohannes picnic, why do they have to refuse the men to leave the country? Are these forced fighters?? Which would make it a gang turf war than a democratic struggle. In any case, his men fighting inside Eritrean territory is under watchful eyes of multiple UN investigations as regards the violation of human rights in Eritrea. PFDJ is no where to be seen and these warlords are official spokes persons of the happenings inside our country. Mr Mokenen might think he will get away with his BS, but time will tell. I hope the day the criminal regime crumbles, he runs for his life.

    As to the damage IA can make, it is too late now. The damaging events have gotten out of his hand and taken a life of their own. It is a matter of how long Eritreans will be prepared to sleep in UNHCR donated sacks and allow their life and that of their children be wasted for Husurat like PFDJ. Once the truth downs on them, there is no stopping.

    • Papillon

      Dear TG,

      I was watching the Q and A part of the press conference and he said that there is no DemHit anymore for he said DemHit is not only melted away or defunct but he said it has effectively become part of the Ethiopian government. Furthermore, he said that if someone claims to be a DemHit spokesperson giving pronouncements from Eritrea, he said it is concocted and dictated by Yemane Monkey. If people from different quarters have been pushing for a total onslaught on PFDJ by the Weyanes, this precisely it! To be more precise, I don’t think, the Ethiopian government would have caused much political damage on PFDJ if they had gone into an all out war.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Salam Guest
    I don’t shy away from things I want to say, not at all. I explain myself the way I want it explained; I choose how to communicate with others. I did not excuse the use of “mercenary.” You will find my objection in about three replies I gave to HTG; I also maintain EDF has every damn right to do its job; one of them would be securing the border and intercepting a FLEEING trained force that carry with it damaging intelligence material. I explained why it was appropriate to intercept that force in my reply to Haile, although I am not sure about the actual nature of the involvement . Frankly, I don’t like people telling me how to act. I’m a stubbornly free minded person. If there are things you feel missing just tell the person the way you want it told. I respect people no matter what their views are.

    • Guest

      Ato Mahmud,

      I did read your reply to Haile G, all good and to the point. (Well, I know that is not the language he understands, but that is just me). No problem there. My comment was only for one part of your reply to Truth. This one : “He does let off some loose points when he gets angered ” which implies he is saying the idiotic things he is saying only because he is angry now. Which is not right, as that guy is always tight wounded and always loves to give the impression that the sky is falling or “Misate meriet” is upon us or something. For any new comer who would read him here, with his good English and word acrobatics*, would think all is crumbling, PFDJ is dying all that false hope and jazz, but for those who know him, he been saying the same things for years. And it is not hard to see he is unbalanced. But that is not the weird part and this is not the worst thing he said in this forum, the problem is he is excused here in this forum all the time getting the special treatment. May be there is a reason for that, I don’t know. That is why I pointed out to you not to carry on the excusing of this guy when he crosses boundaries. That is all . Just making a point here and not meant to drag you into personal stuff (I know you don’t like and do not do that)

  • Nitricc

    Hey Pappi, i know you are for the TPLFiets but let me ask you a question. you are uneducated a son of peasant. you live in a mansion that costs 25K a month. you have four cars and all the money in the world. would give that up for the Ethiopian democracy? the democracy that the government is victorious at 100% rate. i know you are all in TPLF but i just want to knock some sense in you. I give Molla six month half life. some one will clip him. when you cross some one, expect to crossed. simple rules of politics.

    • V.F.

      Hey nittrcc. There is a lot we don’t know about but rest assured that molla did this to save his life. People don’t have much of a shelf life in PFDJ land. The guy is one heck of a smart fella. He saw the axe coming and escaped by inflicting maximum image damage on IA and PFDJ.

      • Nitricc

        Hey VF I don’t you have seen from this Molla guy for you to conclude that he is Smart. He was hand picked by PIA becouse he supposed serve and do what was told to do. But when he wasn’t the man anymore; he threw every one under the bus and left. I don’t know what makes you to say he is smart.

  • Nitricc

    Hey Hope, what is up? i think you failed to see the big pic in here. Molla didn’t defect from Eritrea but he defected form the well being people of Ethiopia. sure, for short term, TPLF might look good even with its toothless gain but for future, catastrophic! this thing will wake up the none Tigryans and unite to the brim. if you ask me, the Tigryans have waken up a 800 pound gorilla. the none Tigryans will take it as the mother of betrayal and unite them to no end. the problem with the Tigryans leadership is that they never see beyond the day and the week. they are so ignorant and stupid, they go for instant gratification. you may ask, what is to you Nitricc? well, i live next them and when their house is on fire, which it will, then i have to involve to put out the fire because i have to save my own house. the funnny part is the Ethiopian leaders thinks they are smart. The fact is they are Stupid!

    let me conclude with Jawar Mohammed’s to the point conclusion in which i fully agree.

    “Thus, it’s fair to say that already limited participation of Tigrayans in opposition politics is coming to an end. While their regrouping would surely increase Tigrayan unity, at the same time, it will intensify their alienation from the rest. This internal cohesion will help strengthen the regime in short term, but it will only exacerbated the underlying cause of their collective insecurity in the long run”

  • Mahmud Saleh

    What’s up Hope
    Thanks. I try to compensate shouting words and name calling with facts and logic. That’s what I try to do. But I know sometimes I go for the easy way which is to insult people. Haile is extremely intelligent and more informed than me. He can bury me on three fronts: on information, logical processing and the language needed for that. He does let off some loose points when he gets angered. I suspect that’s what is happening to him these days. So ye zare tactic guregna alemehon naw. Enashanfallen. Soft is palatable, dear Hope. Regarding my coming statement, stay tuned.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings L.T,

    You said: “Weyane’s … stupidity, their low academic background”

    But the EPLF/PFDJ leaders are not better in their academic backgrounds. For example, the head of state is a drop-out/runner from a University. Wuchu was from Grade school, Haile Samuel, Philipos??? … and Yemane G/Meskel is unlikely to have been an academically outstanding student at Asmara University (I should have checked his grades when I could).

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Unconfirmed reports indicate that a heavy fighting has been going on around Omhajer in Eritrea. The news isn’t independently verified but claims that it lasted about 5 hours from late morning till mid afternoon. I hope AOsman has additional sources from Arabic language Eritrean news sources.

    http://sallina.com/er/component/k2/item/1103-2015-09-16-13-46-57

    Regards

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear L.T,

    Wow, “we know each other …” was I refuge in 70’s and 80’s ? Lol. I am kind to all refuges but I never allow to my self to be a refuge. I don’t mean I am against our refuges but that is simply my personal principle. I have never been a refuge. you will only find me working respected or fighting respected as well. and don’t be in hurry as I promise you and awate friends – you will know me soon – very soon.

    you said “We Eritrean we do not lie becouse …..” “we” I didn’t say we Eritreans lie. I may have said you and your PFDJ are used to that character. so don’t play that old PFDJ’s style to convince others that you represent us. “We Eritrean we do not lie because we were bringing well with the self-righteous elite culture with courage.” that is Eritreans culture not yours and your camp. do you still have doubt on that?

  • haileTG

    Selamat Mahmuday,

    This is a heavy topic as far as I understand, I really am not looking for going after one person. It is a far wider menace that has been amply exposed by the TPDM saga.

    Yes the my people was meant as how I see the concerned party not to exclude you or anyone else.

    – I know the drill Mahmuday, I understand it as good as anyone else. The problem is that we are looking at specific material issues:

    – The conflict had taken place as per multiple accounts. No body denied that. No one whomsoever. Accounts vary.

    – Hence can you specifically tell me how Eritrea was threatened by an armed group leaving?
    – What interests of Eritrea were safeguarded by engaging in fire fight where we still don’t know the civilian toll.

    – Clearly the state has obligation not to endanger the security of the person of its citizens. In this case the EDF as an organized unit acted in a manner that has terrorized the local people with a possible loss of lives and other damages inflicted on the latter.

    – Dear Mahmuday: a crime has been committed and there is no legal grounds to shield the EDF from the wanton acts it had engaged in that conflict. The EDF as an organization is acting as a mercenary of the regime. You can dispute that but they are in breach of legal tenets of the protection of civilian population and targeting them indirectly by engaging in unlawful conflict with foreign armed groups, for foreign interests.

    – The COIE accuses the EDF of rape, extra-judicial killings slave like treatment of citizens and violations that may constitute crimes against humanity. The whole institution is named, plus IA as commander-in-chief.

    – I am not expecting change of wider views here, but I am simply illustrating how belligerence is being stoked to cover up a clear case of legal violation by a criminal organization. Its generals are known to engage in such criminal activities. I am sure Eritreans in Eritrea don’t appreciate having to find out about this issue on street corners of Asmara, while the belligerents are busy trying to correct how Ethiopians see it. Eritreans are not even worth of being informed, this shows you how far their dignity is degraded to feed the needs of a brutal dictator and its belligerent diaspora allies (not you, but belligerence is now proven beyond doubt).

    I will wait for those who were jilted about EPRDF propaganda to be fighting with the same vigor to make a case for their people too. I am betting they won’t because, belligerence won’t let them to rescue their people.

    With Respect

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan Haylat

      You said, ” Dear Mahmuday: a crime has been committed and there is no legal grounds to shield the EDF from the wanton acts it had engaged in that conflict. The EDF as an organization is acting as a mercenary of the regime. You can dispute that but they are in breach of legal tenets of the protection of civilian population and targeting them indirectly by engaging in unlawful conflict with foreign armed groups, for foreign interests.”
      So are you telling me that crimes were committed in that “conflict”, was it a conflict, anyway? Can you tell us of the specific crimes, in figures or ranges of estimations, committed in that specific conflict?
      Regarding your questions, I actually touched it in my last reply why it would be appropriate for the EDF to clash with Mola’s group. This is with the caveat that I have no collaborated information with regard to EDF involvement and the extent to which it was dragged to the matter. All I heard was our units got involved to secure the border. The clashes and hot pursuit were between demHit units. I still think it was a border post units, probably border guards or Halewa Dobat. According to my reading, these units include security, custom and police functions.
      I think we need to slow down on discussing the nature of EDF as a whole. I’m repeatedly saying and have said it before, this institution was the den of abusers, I would be happy to see it investigated, but that does not in my opinion place it as a mercenary force. Not at all.

      • haileTG

        Haha..Selam Mahmuday,

        – Nobody denied there was a conflict. All accounts stated that. Is there at least grounds to suspect the EDF has endangered Eritrean lives of the border or other locality in contravention to international laws of the protection of civilians?

        – Do you consider this was within purview of customs, shoot to kill or heck we don’t care departments?

        – You know full well investigation will not be conducted, the people pushed against the wall with their arms behind and EDF guns in their heads. They can’t demand investigation to get justice. Should we be defending them or the armed EDF in this serious allegations?

        – What would be your take if the same happens again? – please don’t leave answering this one out.

        Thanks

        PS Where is Bayan anyway? This happened in lowland:)

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Bxaay HTG
          ንኸስ ከይትገድፍ እምበር ጌርካያ ዓርከይ። I will address the Awate nation sometime later before resigning as its PM..haha..
          Bayan is doing his studies. For sure, he will come up with a unifying theory of the past discussions.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Mahmuday,

            Here are my two points to close the argument (no need to resign on that account, I don’t think any PM could have solved this huge issue:)

            1 – Given that news of conflict is verified from multiple sides and including from those calling VOA from Eritrea, I believe that the issue should be registered with the UNHR rapporteurs office and that of the COIE offices. Recent arrivals and other indirect sources (those TPDM in Ethiopia can randomly interviewed and cross examined for credibility) to ascertain the nature of the conflict and the extent of damage caused to civilian population. EDF and TPDM combatants (TPDM 1 and TPDM2) being the accused party.

            2 – The moral of lending support to EDF or the local population can be safely left to consciences. But there exist a possibility to review personal stands as things progress and more facts come to the fore.

            Respectfully.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            I also feel there is no much BEEF left on the bone. We have attacked the problem from different angles. I will leave how COIE could be involved in investigating what transpired in sovereign Eritrean land unless there are evidences that could help them in shaping up their investigation of “crime against humanity.” I have no evidence any crime was committed by EDF around Omhajer; Sudanese security was quoted by Sudan Tribune as saying they saw about ten corpses which indicates at least part of the clash happened in Sudanese soil unless those dead were carried away across the border by Mola Force.
            I am simply saying if there was a clash between EDF and the fleeing Mola in Eritrean soil that’s a legal right of any army. The fact is there is a government in Eritrea carrying out state powers. One of the state powers is engaging any force designated as enemy. We may discuss on how the government gained those powers, I don’t think we disagree its nature, that’s why we are calling for a change.
            On the moral question*: we better talk about it when we know the facts. If as you said EDF has committed atrocities or a wide spread grave breaches in Omhajer and environs, we will know it not through PFDJ, but from our people. We talk about it when we get the information. At this moment, I don’t have that information. Any military confrontation is not desired Haile. In addition to the loss of combatants civilians and their property also get caught in between. What constitutes a crime is the intention and the magnitude, otherwise innocent losses could not be avoided even by the army that possess the most advanced technology. The question we should have discussed is why are those organizations in our land, anyway? I think I have given this ample time. That should be the main focus. Their licensing to stay in our country is a political decision.
            The fact that we must not forget is PFDJ is not going to pack and leave. And as long as it stays put, the current EDF will be the sole defense force. I will continue to differentiate between the army as an institution and the criminals who gave this proud national force a bad name.
            * Actually letting Mola out ravaging our people and villages would be a crime.
            Just for exercise:
            Question: kboor ato Haile, what would you want EDF do if an Ethiopian invasion begins from across Omhajer?

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmuday,

            This is one are we have fundamental disagreement in. The COIE has listed EDF as committing widespread violations. I have not said such happened in Omhajer. The EDF has acted unlawfully if it did engage Ethiopian opposition seeking to leave the country and if that caused actual loss. Its very fact of happening is also unlawful. It is not under international law, it is under criminal endeavors that such could have taken place. Any self respecting country wouldn’t engage in such shameful act of fighting its self armed groups inside its territory. One has to go down to the lows of abyss as PFDJ to rationalize ordering that (meaning PFDJ). The real problem here is that what damage has been sustained and that is relevant in the ongoing monitoring of HR issues in Eritrea and reasons for refugees fleeing the country. When EDF engages in such criminal activities from training the rebels to fighting them in order to force them to stay inside a country against their will it is obviously reason enough for people to flee and also possibly to get hurt. The most dispized regime around the world will not surprise anyone for falling into such blatant crass.

            The interesting point is however the precedent such an argument would set. It might also justify all past actions taken on security pretext at the same time. To me, there exist no grounds to accept such treatment of the civilian population. My solidarity is with the people and I am sure they have their own stories to tell.

            The crimes against humanity is also a real issue as you would know even from the story of the man depicted in the lead article’s graphic above. It also includes involvement in human trafficking as anyone who paid ransom in Asmara or took a hick on EDF land cruiser would attest to.

            The problem with this issue is perhaps there is fundamental divergence in our views, which should be normal. I still stand by my assertion that the EDF is currently engaged in criminal activities at the behest of a brutal dictator. That is to say the EDF as an institution and wouldn’t like to bring it down to my brother or yours in a personalizing way.

            Good Night

          • Guest

            Let alone armed rebellion group crossing a nation’s border , the defense force of a nation (EDF) has to do its duty even if a civilian is crossing its border illegally. Tome Lee Jones does/says this better in the Fugitive. Harrson Ford is a fugitive (Prison escapee) falsely accused of killing his wife, while Lee is a US marshal whose duty is to hunt the fugitive. But Ford is innocent, you might ask, well here is Tomi Lee with the answer

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ11Ws3tqP0

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate friends,l

    September of this year is full of news. another bomb for PFDJ, read assena today. where are our pilots I mean where are our war planes….

    ኣብ ዱባይ ንልዕሊ ሰለስተ ዓመታት ስልጠና ሓይሊ ኣየር ክወስዱ ካብ ዝጸንሑ 15 ኤርትራውያን መንእሰያት፣ እቶም ሰለስተ ንምልካዊ ስርዓት ኢሳይያስ ብምርሕራሕ ኣብ ወጻኢ ሃገር ዑቕባ ሓቲቶም ከምዘለዉ ተፈሊጡ። እቶም ንሰለስተ ዓመት ዝተዋህቦም ስልጠና ገዲፎም ዑቕባ ሓቲቶም ዘለዉ ኤርትራውያን፣ ሲራክ ቴድሮስ፣ ኣቤል ገብሪሂወት፣ ኣማን ዝብሃሉ ልዕሊ 22 ዓመት ዝዕድሚኦም መንእሰያት እዮም።

  • Pass the salt

    Clearly, PFDJ is lying about the numbers. If they are lying about that, they must be lying about the rest.
    እዚ ከምዚ’ሉ ከሎ፣ ኣብ መንገድና ንዘጋጠመና ሰራዊት ሻዕቢያ እናፀረግና ኢና ሰጊርና ንዝብል መግለፂ ኣቶ ሞላ መልሲ ዝሃበ ሓደ መንነቱ ክዕቀበሉ ዝመረፀ ኤርትራዊ ባዓል-ስልጣን ፀጥታ ‘ኣቶ ሞላ ዝመርሖም ዕጡቃት ካብ ሚእቲ ዘይበዝሑ፣እቲ ውግእ ድማ ኣብ ውሽጢ ግዝኣት ሱዳን’ዩ ነይሩ’ ኢሎም።
    http://tigrigna.voanews.com/content/mola-asgedom-and-tpdm-rebel-fled-to-ethiopia-from-eritrea/2965112.html

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Pass the salt,

      ሓሶት ቅድሚ ህግደፍ ኣብ ዓለም ከምዝነበረ ዝከሓድ ኣይኮነን – ክኸውን ክኸውን ኣብ ፖለቲካዊ መዳይ :: እዚ ግን ብዝተራቐቐን ንሓጺር ግዜን ግዳ ኸኣ ስራሕካ ምስ ወዳእካ እትኣምነሉን እናኾነ እዩ ኣብ ታሪኽ ዝሓልፍ ነይሩ :: ህግደፍን ኣዲኣ ሻዕብያን ንሓሶት ከም ኣዝዩ ጠቃሚ መሳርሒ እዮም ዝጥቀምሉ ::ኣ ብታ ሪኽ ‘ውን ከምዘለዎ ከም ሓቂ እዮም ዝሰንድዎ ብፍላይ እኳ ብላዕለዋይ መሪሒነት ዝተቀናባበረ እንተኾይኑ( በቶም ተጋደልቲ ዘይኮነ) ዝገርም እቲ ሓሶት ዓይኒ ዓይንኻ ዘንቁር ኮይኑ ዝቀርበሉ እዋን ብዙሕ እዩ – ኣዝዩ ክቁጸር ዘይክእል :: እቲ ጸገም ኣብ ድግግሞሽ ወላ ‘ውን ነቲ ዘጠጀኦ መሪሕነት ተመሊሱ ሓቂ ኮይኑ ዝሰመዖ ምዃኑ እዩ :: ህግደፍ ኢልካ ሓሶት ሓሶት ኢልካ ህግደፍ ዘይፈላለዩ ክልተ ክስተታት እዮም :: ሕጂ ሓሶት ይጫጭሑ ‘ሞ ኣድላይ እንተኾይኑ ነቲ ሓሶት ዝድርዕ ሓሶት ይፈጥሩ – ኣድላይ እንተኾይኑ ‘ውን ሓቂ ተረኽቦ ፈይ የብልሉ እሞ እዋእ በቃ ድምቅ ይብለሎም ::

      ናብ ዛ ጉዳይ ተመሊስካ እንተርኢኻዮ ንኡሽቶ ሓቂ ኣላ ክልተ ዓበይቲ ሓሶታት ከተእምን ድማ ትፍትን :: እቲ ሰራዊት ናብ ሱዳንን ኢትዮጵያን ዝሰገረ ብስእልን ቪድዮን ርኢናዮ ኢና : እቲ ኩናት ኣብ ኤርትራ ከምዝጀመረ ኣረጋጊጽና ኢና :: ነዚ ኣሉ ዝበለት ህግደፍ ግን ሓንቲ ሓቂ ሓዊሳ ኣላ : እቲ ኩናት ኣብ ሱዳን ‘ውን ከምዝነበረ :: ብርግጽ እቲ ሰራዊት ፈንጺጉ ኣብ ምውጻእ ብዙሓት ተሰዊኦሞ እዮም : ድሕሪ ምውጽኡ ‘ውን ደዲሕሪኡ ስዒባ ከም ልማዳ ኣብ መሬት ሱዳን ‘ውን ክትዋገኦ ፈቲና እያ : ተዋጊኣቶ ‘ውን እያ :: ንህግደፍ ኣብ መሬት ሱዳን ኣቲኻ ምውጋእ ወላ ዘሕፍራ ወይ ዘሰፍክፋ ነገር ኣይኮነን : ወላ ሱዳንውያን ርእሲ ብርእሶም ኩናት ከካይዱ እንከለው – ሓንሳብ ምስ ‘ቲ ሓደ ሓንሳብ ምስ’ቲ ክልእ እናተመሓዘወት ዘይካየደቶ ኩናታት ታሪኽ ትማሊ መዝጊቡ ሓሊፉ እዩ :: ወይልኡ ዘይተሶቆሮ ኣደዳ ሞትን መውጋእትን ዝኾነ ንጹህ ኤርትራዊ እምበር ኣያ ኤስያስን ወሽላኻት ብጾቱን ‘ታይ ከይኮኑ ::

      ሱዳን ግን ኣብ ‘ዛ ፍልይቲ ተሞክሮ እዚኣ ብዙሕ ኣይተዳህለሉን : ነቲ ኩናት ከምዝቅጽል ኣይገበሩን :: ሱዳናውያን በዚ ሒዘሞ ዘለው መገዲ ክቅጽሉን ህግደፍ ኣብ ዶባት ሱዳን ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ወላ ኣብ ውሽጢ ከተማታት ንዓመታት ከተካይዶ ዝጸነሐት ገበናዊ ስርሒታት ክቆጻጸርዎ ዓው ኢልካ ንምዝራብ ጽቡቅ ዓጋጣሚ እዩ :: ተቃውምቲ ውድባት ኤርትራ ኣብ ሱዳን ዘጓነፎም ጸገማት ኣዝዩ ብዙሕ እዩ :ሓደ ብባህሊ ሃገርና ዝተኾስኮሰ ፍጡር ህግደፍ ንእተካይዶ ረሳሕ ተግባራት ተመሳሳሊ ግብረ መልሲ ክህብ ይጻገም እዩ ::

    • haileTG

      Dear PTS,

      The PFDJ that is under human rights scrutiny has violated the Right to the security of the Person of civilians is the vicinity of the conflict area. That is in direct contravention of both of article [3] of the declaration of human rights and other pertinent international human rights treaties. The trend may continue and the regime and other concerned entities (such as foreign armed groups, pro-regime diaspora nationals…) will be held responsible for such intimidation and endangering of innocent lives. The current violations against Eritrean civilians under the watch of many interested parties will not wash off by diabolical duplicity of partisan media reporting as VOA Tigrinya.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Unlike Hayat and Mahmuday, I don’t have any inside sources to prove anything; but, if I’ve to put two and two together and speculate to fill the gape like everybody else, the whole thing (the TPDM-Molla thing) happened as the result of the PFDJ regime’s decision to rearrange its playing cards. And the idea behind reshuffling the cards seems very simple -and a winning political strategy for Eritrea and Ethiopia, I might add. And let me explain.

    The current Addis regime is a hostile regime to Eritrea and Eritreans – if you believe Ethiopia has no business in Eritrean affair that is. And the Woyanes, to have it their way, they seem determined to topple the PFDJ regime at any cost to Eritrea and Eritreans. Since the Woyanes has made regime change their central policy, the PFDJ regime has every right to defend itself. And to defend itself, the PFDJ regime has many tools in its toolbox. One of the tools in its toolbox is the Ethiopian opposition organizations.

    For the past few years, to make its tool (Ethiopian opposition) safe (from the West) and effective, the PFDJ government has been re-drawing and re-calibrating its handling of the Eritrea-based Ethiopian opposition organizations. And this is what it seems the PFDJ government is trying to accomplish:

    1. To groom an Ethiopian opposition that is secular, nationalist, Eritrea friendly organization with a competent solid core leadership – not only that can negotiate peace, border-demarcation, access to ports, security and Ethiopia’s leadership role in the Red Sea horn region, but also that can actually deliver what is agreed upon.

    2. For maximum effectiveness and stability, the PFDJ government is determined to put the Amaras (Tigreans as their junior partners) at the driver’s seat. Because to groom a Tigrean dominated Ethiopian opposition (like TPDM) not only, it is a waste of time and meager resources, but also, it is not a winning strategy to cuddle 6% Tigreans that are already at the helm.

    3. If both the Ethiopian opposition and the PFDJ regime manages to negotiate and close a deal that would serve the best interest of both nations, even if they don’t fire a single shot – not only in the eyes of Eritreans, Ethiopians but also in the eyes of the West, they will be a respective alternative force to be reckoned with. And that would put the PFDJ regime in a better position in the eyes of many Ethiopians, Eritreans and the West.

    I don’t know, If the the PFDJ regime is getting affirmitive nod from the West, and I don’t know if the PFDJ regime is going to be able to succeed on this major political overhaul, but that seams to be the case. And you can say whatever you want, but it is a whole lot better than the Woyane’s handling of the Eritrean opposition.

    As to the case of vice president Molla, it appears to me as a classic story of a “sore-loser”. And as a sore-loser, to inflict maximum damage to his fellow opposition members, and to position himself as a valuable asset in the eyes of the Ethiopian regime and people, he did everything he could to hurt his former comrades. And everything he did, he did it for two reasons: for personal gain and revenge. But the damage he inflicted is yet to be seen.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Nitricc

      Hi Semere, Haile TG concluded that Eritrea was a loser on the defection of Molla Asgodom and after i gave it a real thought, not only Eritrea lost nothing; but Eritrea is a victor. in fact, Ethiopia lost in general and the Tigryans lost in a big way in particular. I do believe Ethiopians have lost the trust factor on Tigryans and the Tigryans are cornered much tighter than ever.

      • Sembel

        Nitricc, they never trusted them in first place and they were going to use them. Even PFDJ supporters never trusted Dimhet, they use to say as long as they fight weyane we dont care ( many were saying “THis time we dont want spill our blood, let them fight each other..” Molla’s group were smart enough to know what comes to them and run to their brothers:). Speaking of Mola, why do you think of Elias of ethiopian review latest breaking news? (i think Elias bring such nonsense news to get more hit in his website:)) http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=104475

        • Nitricc

          Hey Sembel. I have watched Molla’s press conference and I observed his body language and it does not add up. Something is wrong!
          For starters; I don’t buy this one year communication with Tplf government. Secondly; there is no way the hundred plus fighters knew about the plan and went along with it. From overall Molla’s speech and his body language; some thing is going on. If you ask me, Elias’s gasp makes more sense than what the Tplf and Molla have us to believe. Something is on!

    • Amde

      Sender

      You do know Dr. Berhanu Nega is not Amara, right?

      • Eyob Medhane

        Amde,

        Damn it?! Why do you have to tell that “big secret”? 🙂 I was just waiting the dude to spew more hate.. 🙂 You ruined it for me… 🙁

        • V.F.

          Amde, Eyob, Addis – you guys are pros, sophisticated. I like it.

      • አዲስ

        Haha Amde,

        Good one. The guy is delusional anyway.

        One question to you and Eyob though, does one have to be an Amhara to bring about what constitute the rule of Amhara elite vis-a-vis “Ande Ethiopia” ?

        Thanks,
        Addis

        • Amde

          Addis

          Define Amara elite for me.

          Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            I thought my question was obvious but to make it clear, the main characterization of the Amhara elite in my opinion is creating a mostly homogeneous society with “Ande Ethiopia” in mind. This is driven from the experiences we’ve seen in the past of this elite ruling the country. There may be more defining characteristics to it but that was where I want my question to focus on. If you agree with that definition then try to answer that question. If not then I am here to read your take either away

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Hi Addis,

            I am familiar how the phrase is used, but in general I find it more irritating and long term dangerous than really edifying. It is just a put-down of someone who may be more properly termed an Ethiopian nationalist.

            I think you mean to use it to define a political system where power was concentrated in the center, and the government actively promoted/enforced a policy of giving primacy to one language over others, primarily as a tool to reinforce political power concentration and also long term cultural homogenization. This model is not unique to Ethiopia.

            In the context of the relevant Ethiopian history, it refers to the Ethiopian government primarily run by a Shewan political elite. The kingdom of Shewa is/was a geographcally and more importantly demographically diverse political unit, and its political and military elite reflected that diversity. It was basically an Amara/Oromo partnership. A good proportion (some say most) of the neftegna settlers that populated areas Shewa conquered were Oromo speakers for example. It used to be joked that a Gondere does not consider Shewan Amaras as true Amara, but as Oromo.

            The phrase “Amara elite” presupposes there is a self-conscious cohort of Amara people for whom there is a recognized exclusive “elite”. There has never been such a thing. I challenge you to show it to me historically. There were Shewan political elites. There were Ethiopian political elites. But no Amara elite.

            The phrase is easy for the intellectually lazy. It is also convenient for the politically mischievous. But it does a really bad disservice by making a political institutional arrangement (a neutral concept) into an ethnic invention so that proper discussion cannot rationally be conducted. It psychologically traumatizes a whole people, by putting the burden of the ills of previous political history on them. (This is where we see the case of the incredibly shrinking Amara elite – “No, of course we just meant Shewan Amara… No, of course we just meant Merabete Amara.. No of course we just meant Ankober elites…”). And I am saying this as a person who is neither fully Amara nor Shewan.

            Paradoxically, the current political arrangement is well on its way to creating an exclusive Amara consciousness, exclusive Amara political institutions and of course Amara elite. So, right NOW is when Amara elites exist and are being created. If anything, I see Berhanu et al fighting against the creation of an Amara elite (and ethnic elites in general).

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            I think that was my point too if you really understood it. That elite, may be properly addressed as Shoan elite was of the one creating a homogeneous society and doesn’t just constitute only Amharas in it hence my original question of does one have to be an Amhara to bring about that system. I understand when one says Amhara elite that’s what they are referring to. I agree with you that it is used to demonize the people of Amhara but that was not my intention(demonstrated in my definition and question) rather to shed a light on that misconception.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Hi Addis,

            Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I felt the way you phrased the question was implying that just because Berhanu is not Amara does not mean he can’t fight for an “Amara elite” system, and thus wink wink that is precisely what he is doing now. Semere will come back and use your words to defend his statement, (some version of “….so what if Berhanu is not Amara – it is the Amara dominant system that counts… and Isayyas can create that based on someone willing to put it in place….”)

            I don’t know what Berhanu’s positions are now, but back in his Kinijit days they believed in the idea of federation, they believed ethnicity should be one but not the exclusive basis for the formation of federal units, that voting systems of proportional representation should be instituted etc… These are many serious proposals that will institutionally weaken the over-centralizing philosophy that drove the era of Shewan dominance, and also protect many other minority rights in the process. Given a little tweaking and some good faith, it really would have put in place a political system where the dominance of one unit would be very difficult to achieve and sustain.

            I don’t think it was your intention, but I was a little disappointed to read it from you – you are sharp, critical and on the ball, and you are one of the people that give me hope for the future. Sorry if I came across a bit harsh.

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            No apology necessary. You weren’t harsh at all. You actually guided the conversation and gave me a chance to clarify. May be the whole wording of my question is a bit lazy.

            Semere said this “the PFDJ government seems determined to put the Amaras (Tigreans as their junior partners) at the driver’s seat.” and I used your reply to point out what bothers me ( and I see it does bother you too) in the conventional way we see Amhara elite. It’s not about being Amhara was the whole point I was trying to make. Birhanu was lumped here unintentionally to make my point and yes as far as I know the guy, he’s not working for the domination of one ethnic group over the other, rather the opposite. Glad we had this exchange and thanks for the complement.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Fnote Selam

            Addis and Amde,

            Most informative and (a little edgy, but) civilized convo I have seen in the past few days. Congrats to both.

            FS.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            This post is mini treasure.

            “It psychologically traumatizes a whole people, by putting the burden of the ills of previous political history on them.”

            This is a point I agree with wholeheartedly, and you made several brilliant points that should be expanded a bit farther too. Please save and expand this topic for the right time.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amde,

            You know that not all animals have 3-D vision or all can hear sounds generated at different frequencies. Similarly, not everyone understands the concept of intermingling of different ethnic groups. Unlike in Eritrea, in Ethiopia people of different ethnic groups intermarry and mix freely. It is difficult for Eritreans to grasp this basic fact, because this is simply unthinkable. I know this because I have spent half of my life there. Now you know why, despite the hot air and empty slogans, Eritreans cannot have genuine and long lasting unity.

            Now, coming to the issue of the Amara/Amhara. As you say, the Shoa Amara are not ‘pure’ Amara; they are mixed mainly with the Oromo. This is a good genetic mix, contributing to the better intelligence level of the Shoa. You can see this not only in the ordinary population but also the Royalty. The Sahle Selasse family/line is a mixture of many groups, but mainly Oromo.

            On ethnic groups in Ethiopia: in the past, despite ethnic mixing, there was an undeniable ethnic marginalisation. Some ethnic groups were invisible. This needed a solution. But this solution cannot be neat, as there have been a lot of ethnic mingling.

            The ethnic federalism we now see in Ethiopia was devised jointly by the TPLF and EPLF (when they were best pals). This was done not just to address the problem of ethnic marginalisation but mainly to put Shoan ‘Amara’ power revival under check.

          • Amde

            Hello Music Novice,

            When I see Somali discussion and how clan centered it is, and I see that it has nothing equivalent I can relate to for me as a typical Ethiopian of mixed stock, I can understand how some of these concepts may be alien to those who have no basis for relating to them.

            I think Shewan dominance was an accident of history and serendipitous shrewdness on their part. They basically stayed out of the wars of the Zemene Mesafint. By the time the dust settled, Shewa was larger, wealthier and more peaceful than their other competitors, thus allowing them to take over the Atse status. It just so happened this also coincided with the rise of the modern national state, so the resources of a state accrued naturally to them, and alternately denied to their competitors. Prior to modernity, a Shewan army and a Tigrayan army basically matched in technology, skills, etc… But when tank and aircraft are assets of a national government, the same Shewan army completely dominates a Tigrayan army that does not have access to the same means. This advantage continues down the line with modern communications, finance, diplomacy etc…. which makes the Weyane’s victory over the Ethiopian national armed forces even more remarkable.

            I agree completely the current Ethiopian political system was designed to put the Shewans down and keep them down. Despite what many Eritreans try to tell us, I agree the EPLF colluded with TPLF in its inception and implementation. It has worked.

            But paradoxically it has worked too well. Ethiopian ethnic federation may be tactically advantageous for an EPLF intent on playing kingmaker in Addis, but long term it is a strategic threat to Eritrea.

            By the same token, it has become a trap for the TPLF. This is a system Tigray will not benefit from if and when the TPLF is no longer calling the shots. This system is in the process of translating Ethiopian political competition from a multi-player game of more or less equivalent units to basically an Amara/Oromo competition with everybody else playing secondary roles. I suspect TPLF knows this but does not know how to transition out of it.

            Amde

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Semere,

            As you said many factors contributed to the rise of the Shoa elite. I admire their Strategic, tactical and diplomatic thinking. But they seem to have lose their touch during their latter/later days.

            But the single personality I admire most is the Gondere Tedros, he was a visionary too advanced for his time. Compared to him his opponents were a mediocrity.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Amde,

            Thanks for that clarification. I was one of those who confused the terms you just described, out of ignorance than mischievousness. I will be choose my words carefully next time.

            Regards,

            FS.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Addis,

          One answer to your one question…No it doesn’t.

      • Truth

        Selam Mr Amde:
        I would call Admas another ” Voice of Reason”, at least here in this Forum!
        He mesmerized me as such to be ONE!
        Prof Birhanu Nega was meant to be a UNIFYING FIGURE representing the WHOLE Ethiopia compared to the INEPT Leader,”Gen”(Le yismula) Molla Asghedom,and I have the same understanding like that of Admas!
        During the old days in Eritrea,Amharay implied Ethiopia!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      salam Semere
      Just a correction: I don’t think I said an inside source, if you mean in the intelligence community. It is a source I believe is able to comment on the situation from a better position; I also suspect the source is positioned close enough to the situation to give me a better take…that’s in regard of the relation of my source to the event.
      On your other analysis:
      I think it is fair enough to evaluate “liberation” organizations on how they are seen by the people they say they want to liberate. The first 5 years are crucial. It may take for their formation and the propagating of their ideas to buzz around for a year or so, may be a year or two for corrections of direction and effectiveness…
      Our ghedli was all over Eritrea within the first 2-3 years, and by 1965, it reached the campuses of AU. That’s because the people felt a sense of ownership in the nurturing of the ghedli (sorry, Hayat…that’s just so true). East Sudan rattled the system within few years because of the marginalization the people felt.
      On demHit and the rest of the Ethiopian organizations, I don’t think that’s true. If you monitored the last congress of TPLF, people really hammered the leadership. And it’s obvious that the leadership listened to the people. It said openly that the next years will be one of life and death for the organization. What I felt is TPLF is still alive in the hearts of Tigreans, and I think they took it upon themselves to “cure” their organization. Therefore, the next years will be crucial for it. TPDM was formed in the aftermath of the bitter war, and I think they have been seen as collaborators of Shaebia rather than as liberators. It’s very difficult to redefine your image once it has been ill-defined by the public. There is geographical curse to the other organizations unless they will have to pack up and decide to be self-sustaining.
      All in all, the appetite of armed conflicts is in its lowest point in the Ethio-Eritrean region. People are just exhausted of wars. Good news for war opponents.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Mahmud Saleh

        Thank you for your balance response. When I said “unlike Hayat and Mahmuday I don’t have inside sources” I was not thinking much about your or Hayat’s inside sources. I was trying very hard to stress the fact that the comment I was making was purely speculative that is not supported by facts on the ground. That’s all.

        As to the TPLF 40 year anniversary brouhaha and excitement and the – “if you monitored the last congress of TPLF, people hammered the leadership really hard. And it’s obvious that the leadership LISTENED to the people” part of your comment, I’ll let the Ethiopian national “election” that followed the brouhaha tell the story.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Semere
          For God sake, you are not even a Tigrean or Ethiopian. How are you going to tell them, anyway. It is true brother Semere, yes, it is our part to counter whatever evil intention might be coming from them, but give them credit for what they do in their house. At least they are doing regular conferences, debating ideas…taking folks from A politburo position down to ordinary private citizen status…and all these without any bloodshed…come on now. A year from now…five years…ten years…whenever the time is write to talk governance in our country, our people will go through similar experiences. It would have been much better for us if we go through similar experiences now. Time is passing but that inevitable reality will hit sometime in the future.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Ahlen Mahmuday

            It is always a pleasure to hear from you. You said “At least they are doing regular conferences, debating ideas…taking folks from A politburo position down to ordinary private citizen status…and all these without any bloodshed…come on now.”

            Yea you’re right. I admit they (Ethiopians) are making progress; and sometimes I envy them (in a positive way). I even congratulated them on one of my articles here at Awate, for the way they handled the transfer of power after the untimely death of prime minster Meles Zenawi.

            I said it then and I say it now proudly – thank you for doing the right thing. Thank you for making Ethiopians, Eritreans, the people of the Horn and all Africans proud. I hope there comes a day we Eritreans do what you did, and I hope what you did in Ethiopia became the norm in Ethiopian politics.

            But having said all that, that doesn’t negate the fact that successive Ethiopian regimes have bled us for decades. That doesn’t negate the fact that the current Addis regime is thorn in the flesh to Eritrea and Eritreans.

            What good is it for me and you if Ethiopians are “doing regular conferences, debating ideas…taking folks from A politburo position down to ordinary private citizen status…and all these without any bloodshed?” I will reciprocate a positive attitude towards them when they sow me some. Until then I will be me.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Semere T
            Than you. That TPLF congress stuff came to illustrate the comparison of demHit and TPLF in the eyes of Tigreans. And actually you agree with me on the fact that TPLF would be more appealing to Tigrawot than a demHit that was taking refuge in Eritrea. That was it. I did not mean you need to change. I actually distaste attitudes that pay too much attention on conformity. So, be yourself Semere, nothing of an offense to me.
            Have a nice day.

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Semere,

      You said: “… put two and two together and speculate to fill the gap like everybody else”.

      I am not sure if you are aware, but the result of putting two and two together gives different results depending on what system you use. In your case, the system you used not only lacks transparency, but also you sound more like a PFDJ spokesman or Yemane Monkey’s deputy.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Music Novice

        “I am not sure if you are aware, but the result of putting two and two together gives different results depending on what system you use”

        Yes sir, I’m well aware of the many variables and unknowns that could change the final outcome, of what I thought it was. And I’m not ashamed to stand corrected.

        “You sound more like a PFDJ spokesman or Yemane Monkey’s deputy.”

        Far from it. But I strongly believe, all Addis regime policies toward Eritrea being the same, even as an ardent opposition to the PFDJ regime, one should do exactly (with respect to Ethiopian opposition) what I think/speculate the PFDJ regime is doing.

        MN, considering the size and influence of both nations, and factoring the military equation of both sides, it would be suicidal to slug-it-out alone to the grave. And we’re not suicidal. We never fought them alone, and when push comes to shove, we never will. In fact, that’s one of our best tools in our toolbox. So why not polish it, sharpen it, and clean it.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Abi

          Selam Semere Tesfai
          I always believed eritrean struggle was suicidal. You committed a mass suicide of biblical proportion. There is no people in this world struggled to bring misery on itself than eritreans.
          “We never fought them alone and when push comes to shove, we never will.”
          This sentence is the most stupid one I have ever heard.
          You did not get any help from no one. You were the helpers in fighting Ethiopia. You helped the useless arabs who are known suiciders. You were a hired gun . Now, you are by yourself. Where are they when you need them the most. They used you like a disposable fork. Shame.

          • V.F.

            Abi, I agree with you most of the time but I feel disrespected when you lump all Eritreans together and assume we are all like Semere Tesfai. He is now in the small minority.

        • V.F.

          Hello Mr. This is belligerence in action. I have been trying to understand HTG but he is too much of a pro to have referred me to Semere Tesfai to get his point exactly.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi V.F:
            Abi is the one who famously said in this forum that May 24, 1991 was not only the liberation/dependence of Eritrea from Ethiopia, but that it was also the liberation of Ethiopia from Eritrea. But yet he still nurses his hurt heart of losing Eritrea, deep inside and sometime that hurt over flows

            Abi is the one who moans about the slightest critical comment of Ethiopia,
            And he is the one who glosses over the fact that it was his country that was responsible for the carnage of the 30 years, it was his beloved civilized country that enslaved its own (Tigray) for centuries, it was his own country that pushed the 50% of Eritrean Kebessas who had a soft spot in their heart of hearts for Ethiopia and were forced to join the “hired guns” of Arabs when his country burned Ona, Weki-Diba. all civilian villages. It was his country men of hired guns who found solace in the massacre of entire villages of women and children to avenge their humiliation in the plains of “Awget” and Togoruba. It is that hurt that is speaking to conceal the very reason Eritreans fought back. Actually for most of the fighters independence and sovereignty from Ethiopia were concepts learned during training, most joined to fight the injustice and protect their families and to defend their dignity.

          • Abi

            Semere T
            Abi also said in this forum that he was devastated when eritrea was separated from her mother. I don’t lie to you I have cried.
            Abi is also the first one to criticize his government including the elections.
            Abi is the one who told you his Amhara father was the poorest kid growing up. Why bring the people of tigry here? Why didn’t you bring the Eritreans who were the creme of the society? You forgot them already ?

          • V.F.

            Dear SA,

            I don’t quite have a problem with Abi looking at the armed struggle critically from the Ethiopian point of view as I do from the Eritrean point of view. But I only dislike when he generalizes and puts all 4, 5, or 6 million of us in one basket. He does this time and again. That is disrespectful to me. Ghedli or separation did not have 100% support from Eritreans but things evolved and the HS and Dergue regimes left Eritreans with no choice but to fight for their freedom per the atrocious acts you mentioned in so many places. Once the armed struggle started, Eritreans were more and more committed to independence. The proportions changed drastically from the 1950s to the 1970s but Abi doesn’t have this historical perspective or knowledge to be sensitive about the suffering of Eritreans. It is much more complex than meets his eyes.

        • Dear Semere Tesfai,
          I never expected that your PFDJ is in such a desperate and hopeless situation, that it is ready to undertake a suicidal action, nevertheless calls it its best tool in its tool-box. Times do change,
          and when they change, they bring the truth to the surface. It was said that one learns the truth from a drunk and a child; I would like to add from a desperate man as well.

          What a confession, “we never fought them alone, and when push comes to shove, we never will”. You are the same people who used to say, we succeeded against all odds, we never received any help from Arab states or the West, and single-handedly we defeated the largest
          army in Africa. You are the same people who infected the brain of the peaceful and God-loving Eritrean people with fake myths; like Eritreans are superior, special and a quintessential people, and you put them at odds with everybody near and far; and you made them the sacrificial lambs for your delusional hegemonic daydreams .

          If you had the “dirty bomb” in your hands, would you use it, Semere Tesfai? Are you calling for a regional war? Whom are you going to call for help? Is it Egypt or Saudi Arabia or somebody else? Which one is your best tool, you are polishing to ready it for the time of crisis?

          This is your hallucination and not the reality, solely owned by you and your PFDJ. It has nothing to do with the peace-loving people of Eritrea. War was created by people like you (warmongers)
          and not by the people of Eritrea. You PFDJists are a liability to the people of Eritrea and the whole region. Do not take with you the respectable people of Eritrea to the abyss. They did not deserve the last half century of suffering, and they do not deserve to vanish with the PFDJ
          system. When the time comes you PFDJists will be the lone riders. Do not try to descend from the band wagon of PFDJ at this eleventh hour by denying that you are a PFDJist.

          It is you people who are deaf to the music of peace, good neighborliness and co-operation; not the Eritrean people. You should know this truth. You were, you are and you will always be alone in your crazy dreams.

          • belay

            Dear Horizon,
            Excellent as ever, thanks.

            Mr SEMERE TESFAY, Horizon never disrespected the Eritrean people, but their leaders, which I believe you aren’t one of them, so why bother supporting them, (PFDJ) instead of supporting your own ordinary people.

            Sem, please don’t stick to your old beliefs, most Eritrea n’s had opened their eyes.
            To your credit you are changing too, but too slow for your caliber.
            You will regret it, you chose to please your ego than the poor youngsters all over the place, in the world.
            Still with Respect to u.

    • ale

      oh, have you made berhanu nega an amhara?

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello Semere and all Awatawyan

    The following is an extensive interview with tegadalay Ahmed AlQeisi. The man is one of the founders and leaders of EPLF; he is known for his intellectual contributions. Ahmed AlQeisi appears to be doing this interview with the intent of leaving it for history. He is open and forthcoming. He empties his memory of what he had known of the leaders incarcerated in Eila-Ero. Sometimes, you could feel his emotions and pulsate his anger, and may be, regrets. The interview is continuing, but here are the three parts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9HhI5JJUo

    • saay7

      Hala Mahmouday:

      Thanks for the links on the interview with Qeisi. What a great and subtle way to retire the Molla Melodrama and focus on Sems article: remembering Eritreans, including the G-15, that have been made to disappear all over Eritrean prisons, including Ella Eiro.

      I hope to comment on the entire interview when I am done but for now there was two news pieces disclosed, one that appears so surreal now and one that is a manifestation of how Isaias also imprisoned himself on 9/18:

      The surreal is the news piece that DeMHT were going to be assigned as guards of the Ella Eiro prison.

      The Isaias trap is that he told the imprisoned to sign a Regret Letter and they would be released. At least that’s the rumor he is fanning because he is trapped: the whereabouts of the G-15 is a recurring theme in all human rights, diplomatic relations the Isaias regime embarks on; he can’t bring them to a court of law because that’s not part of his “political culture” (he is a shoot them in the back when they are unarmed kinda guy): he can’t commit extra-judicial killing because they are famous and word will get out eventually when the executioner escapes. So he has to ask for “forgiveness letters” from men and women battle tested for their stamina. They and their families are tortured; and he is trapped.

      saay

      • AOsman

        Dear SAAY,

        The G-15 ordeal had reached a point of no return long ago. Now that you mention the Regret Letter, I am trying to process its benefit to DIA, if he is able to cheat us with such cheap exit strategy, a simple State Pardon to G15 without the letter will have done a better job. If he was desperate for the Regret Letter, what stops him from concocting a fake one? Even a real one at this stage will amount to nothing – would’t it be considered signing under duress, considering the period of incarceration. Izia Teta3ise zibluwa neger ko mirdaE abiyatina….wela Eritra bmuluA teTa3Esna inteElnayo aygedfenan iyu.

        Signing such a letter will not help in their release, except give him more reason to kill them….as what we are to discover will shock the nation and he prefers to keep us blind to it. This problem can only be dealt with by a rescue mission by some EDF or armed opposition members, unless the regime crumbles soon.

        Regards

        AOsman

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Salam SAAY and Aosman
        If not mistaken I thought I heard about this offer of TaEsa or “admission of guilty statements” in exchange for their release or some clemency considerations in the years following their roundup. I believe I heard it that they were met by higher officials secretly and individually, but they refused. So, at this stage, brother Aosman, most of them are in bad state of physical and mental health; their life has been shattered, and any admission or anything to that effect is obviously considered coerced and I think it has no value in any court of law or in the court of public opinion. At least, though, they would have seen the light of the day, recuperate, and spend whatever few years they have to live with their families and friends. Imagine the stories we hear that when inmates spend too many years incarcerated, they lose the sense of time; you usually we make sense of the passing of time by the rate of growth we see in our kids, political, social and market changes, new pop culture phenomena…gadgets…music….
        These comrades have not had to see any of these. They have not seen their spouses; their children (some of them married…moved to the diaspora…); technological changes…Most likely, they think Ali Abdalla, Naizghi Kiflu, Wuchu…Andemichaels…are alive. They may think IA has died…etc. We also should never forget the father of embeley እምብለይ/ዕጭ ሓንፈፍኩ bxaay Biteweded Abraha. He is not technically in G15, but his observations would have saved their lives had they intervened to help him out early on.
        Anyway, it is a sad story. The emancipation of our political situation will depend on how people try to give enough sympathy and attention to these events. These are of course representative all persons imprisoned without due process. They include all prisoners of conscience: Elders, journalists…religious, objectors…and others.

        • Ted

          Hi, The greatest MS. thank you for the link.
          It sad the G15 have been out of current events for far too long to comprehend what is happening in Eritrea not alone the world. A lot has changed since then for them to catch up not to mention the psychological and physical trauma the endured. The humane thing to do is release them to enjoy what is left of their families and friends where ever they want. It is understable why they refused to write a regret letter that they want to preserve what little dignity left in them after all the humiliation and suffering..

      • Music Novice

        Greetings saay,

        You said: “So he has to ask for “forgiveness letters” from men and women battle tested for their stamina.”

        You are right when you said he has to ask for ‘forgiveness letters’. But you are wrong when you said the G-15 are men and women battle tested for their stamina. The truth is that they were Isaias’ yes men during Ghedli. They were not only sycophants and crawlers at Isaias’s feet but they could also be implicated in the various killings during Ghedli. This is not to say, of course, that I support their unlawful imprisonment.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi MN:
          There is a saying that goes “mwut aytkses” and there is an Egyptian one “almerhum kan taib”, the deceased was nice person. Sal, you can correct the Egyptian one, but stay away from the Tig 😉

          Sep 18, by evoking the G-15 we are not merely talking the injustice done to them, we are just using their eminence to call for justice to the thousands of nameless people who I believe are in the worst prisons that this world has seen. Sep 18, is not about the G-15, their fate has been preordained by them, we know that but the date is not about them, most people just woke up that day when it dawned to them that even the designers of the system (I mean the one man system :-)) will not be spared, otherwise we could have chosen the Maihabar incident date, the Muslim arrest in Keren and many other dates, the scores of dates that the dignity of Eritean has been violated
          But the regret letter has its problems, it cannot solve IA demise, it cannot save his fall from the throne of grace as a dead person cannot sign a letter, those who could, they already did it, like the veteran fighter Blatta who joined the armed struggle probably before all the G-15. PFDJ and IA are experts in one thing: breaking the human spirit. The world praised Mandella almost canonizing him, but it was not only his tenacity that made him survive. The ugly Apartheid system was far better than the PFDJ in how it treaded Mandela: allowing him a couple of letters from his wife, permitting him to writhe his law exam, which means he had access to books. Add to that his will power and defiance to live for the ideals, he survived and he became the president of the country. If IA had good intentions for Eritrea, if he wanted to quell the squabble to focus and keep the ‘unity’ of the country” immediately in the heels of the aftermath of the war, he had several arrows in his quiver: house arrest the G-15 offer them the dignity, strip them of their access to PFDJ, shutdown the media. Probably many people would support that move in the name of the nations and it would have been less costly for his legacy and for our posterity
          My believe is from the beginning IA was compromised, but he rode the high waves of Eritrean nationalism and aspiration, which elevated him to the pinnacle of the mountain he now has ascended and from where he shepherds his compromised self.

          Look at the pattern of his relentless cozying with foreigners to dismantled Eritreans that is what the G-15 failed to appreciate, they considered him a nationalist who was out of control, but he was anti-Eritrea who was out of control as the testimonies from his close associate like T.Temnewo. Alena and others are telling us, corroborating the disjoined stories we heard before.

          The validity of the Eritrean nationalism, its timely spark after peaceful opposition, the unifying tone of the founding fathers like WelWel (aynfella) and I.sultan’s famous stand against dividing Eritrea and the repercussion for the horn were all testaments of a mature beginning that first peaked hen declined with the advent of EPLFsim, the precursor that underpinned PFDJ

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            I can’t believe you forgot the classic Sudanese conclusion of all traffic investigative reports: “the deceased was at fault.” The average Isaiasist (PFDJ) has Eritreanized that to “the imprisoned is at fault.” Or “I don’t know who is at fault and I am not going out on a limb to defend someone who is probably guilty.” Then in the opposition we have the fictionalizations and the “where were you when my ______ was imprisoned?”

            So my bad cousin, on top of that, please don’t drudge up ELF-EPLF history to add to the endless animosity. Because when it comes to that, as we have learned recently from His Fantiness, even the most rational people completely lose their mind and can even shock you. (He actually did.). And I wasn’t retiring because I was mad at u. I was retiring because people were confusing saays personal views with awates views.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            I am so relieved that you actually read what I said about how TPLFites saw ELF in late 1970s. Mr. Amnauel’s accusation of me because of that statement as someone intending to divide Eritreans is a mystery beyond my wildest dreams. If you are also shocked by my statement, we have a serious problem. If TPLF and EPLF of the 70s believed that ELF did have a feudalist tendency, unless neither one or both never believed that, in which case I have to be challenged, how else in the world do I refer to that event? Is Eritrean unity that fragile?

            A TPLFites saying ELF looked feudal to us in the 70s is such a toxic subject to warrant the accusation of someone as divider of the Eritrean people? At first, I thought Mr. Amnuel probably misunderstood me, but when tes clarified to me how toxic that subject was among Eritreans I had decided to let it go. However, your mention of it as shocking really shocked me. I was in the ‘mergemti Semere bexiHuni’ mode until you.

            Saay, there are a million and one reasons why I say or don’t say some things. I may even let a blatant lie that I know is a lie pass if I believe it serves a better purpose for all concerned, but no one can find a single cell in my system that wishes harm to the Eritrean people. I couldn’t help it to think that maybe the “do not trust them” is so deep rooted in our thinking that we all are reading beyond what is written. May be that is why I read what Semere believes did not write the same way I think Mr. Amnuel read what I think I did not write.

            The fact that Mr. Amnuel did not even bother to correct me says volumes about how fragile we all have become.

            Now, explain your shock!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti,

            why do you indulge yourself to the issue the organizations accuse each other , unless you want to add fuel to it to satisfy your perception. Please avoid interfering to the Eritrean domestic politics.

            Regards

          • Music Novice

            You said: “Please stay away from Eritrean domestic politics”.

            I
            hope you realise that this is outside your control. There has never
            been an absence of interference by individuals and countries in each
            others affairs, unless you are planning to legislate against it now.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Fanti:

            Please “gabbi wudde” ” wegihu eyu emo allil, allil “. This is for your, do not get shocked;-)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ABWTfgYh8Q
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVeX-qZkbTk
            Lately I am having bad luck with my comments as I seem to veer us to some divisive issues starting with the debate I sparked about Arabic.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Semere Anbessa, wedi goitay!!

            I am so afraid of you right now you won’t believe. What did you curse me with? “mergem weladi intezey’ketele yeEnenu.”

            You always bring excellent topics. We, at least, I am learning how unskilled and unsophisticated we are in our discussion methods. I just learned yet again, identifying intent verses expression is a major challenge to most of us.

            yiQre beleley!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            it is clear that you mentioned what TPLF and EPLF used to say and that is just normal. I heard this “feudal” thing from the man whom I respect much now after his death – PMM once said it even. with that Marxist era it is easy to be convinced watching that multi party type front (ELF) that had all tendencies and Ideologies. some time fronts label each other to attract the mass. I want you and all others think the way they want but also see and fill others thinking. that is why we are here.you should fill free and transparent like that SGL. Have you heard how he talks? he says what he fill and hears what others say as nothing happened. day by day he get respect even with those who use to label him Jehadist, weyane and even Sha’ebia. he came out to be none of those all.

            now here we are in wonderful era Fanti, we are watching everything was wrong, we learn we human beings were not handling conflicts as it should. particularly we two – one people with all those political parties still didn’t mange the differences, so at least we know now. at least we know how to ask and find the answer. you are brilliant I know you know what I mean.

            you are in correct site having dialog and you should not fill any bad. concentrate and see what is happening today with that old TPLF who joined other Ethiopian parties and EPLF who had narrowed more to PFDJ. today, there is one new reality. when you join hands with others you get better result and when you want to monopolize others you lose yourself “ኣሳ ጎርጓሪ ዘንዶ ኣወጣ የሰው ፈላጊ ራሱን ኣጣ “. we have seen HailSlase, Derg, and now EPLF, how they fail. and we have seen hope on how TPLF manage it – yet more to go but so far nice journey considering that old Feudal TPLF Lol.

            now tell me I am from ELF do you ever fill I am “feudal” ? Just to let you lough and take things easy.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dr. Kokhob,

            Lebam yebzaHalna! Had I had a chance to clarify what I said, my position would have been clear, but it is too late now. My knowledge of ELF is equivalent to the average ELF member which is a lot more than most non-ELF Eritreans and definitely a lot more than any non-Eritrean. The chain reaction of my infatuation as a young boy with Jebha, had created a life that is Jebha dominated than many may imagine.

            I am thoroughly familiar with ELF’s now and then stands. However, as all things in life, we sometimes poke at a wound we did not mean to. I hope whomever I may have hurt with those posts will think of it as an unintended mistake and think of it no more.

            Kokhob Selam, you will always be my shining star; no matter what!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Fanti ,

            You keep erring. So an organization with a political program of “non capitalistic path ” of development can be lead by Feudal. Is that what you mean? oh sure you Know ELF than the average ELFites. Give me a break. Keep your lies with you please. We are tired with all this kind of lies.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. Amanuel,
            Just in case I am innocent, please stop calling me a liar. This is your third time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Fanti,

            Answer my question if an organization With the aforementioned political program and political Orientation Could be a feudalist organization.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. Amanuel,
            I don’t want to sound rude by not answering you, but I have admitted my errors and I am/was done with this subject. However, you may not have seen my “standing corrected” message to Saay before you composed your question, so here I am.

            The answer is no it does not.

            In fact, to even go a little farther, the nature of ELF’s creation contradicts with feudalism in the first place, but that won’t help me now; can it?

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amanuel H.,

            So, the ELF was progressive socialist?

            But, anyone can claim to be a socialist, such as Pol Pot, Kim IL-Sung family, Saddam (the Arab variety), the Assad family, Isaias, Mengistu, Shining Path (Peru), FARC (the drug dealing Colombians) etc.

            Who was the ELF’s Marxist theoretician, would you be kind enough to tell? I hope you are not going to say ‘Abdella Idris’.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I can read some innocence on your lines. However your statement regarding ELF as a feudal organization was really shocking. I would like to remind you though it is this statement that has kept Eritrea in today’s situation.

            EPLF blackmailed ELF history for his own advantage and here we are today. If you have the same conclusion (not an opinion) regarding ELF, you will not be treated as a different person from those who are in the PFDJ rank.

            ELF is a revolutionary organization that has succeeded to mobilize Eritreans since its birth till now.

            Anyway, I hope you will stay with correct conclusion. If it just an opinion, it is an opinion and personally I don’t have any problem.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            “EPLF blackmailed ELF history” doesn’t make sense. You cannot blackmail history, you can only blackmail someone.

          • tes

            Dear Musie Novice,

            When a person quotes from my lines and wants to correct me, I usually go back to my statements and check if I stated wrongly. And i did the same to your response.

            Blackmail is defined as: “When you get money from people or force them to do something by threatening to tell a secret of theirs or to harm them.” (source: Cambridge Advanced learners dictionary, 3rd edition).

            If the above definition is true to you, then that is what I was meant exactly. PFDJ indeed blackmailed ELF more than one can imagine.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            Now, you said: “PFDJ indeed blackmailed ELF more than one can imagine.”

            May be or may be not.

            My original comment is related to: “EPLF blackmailed ELF history”

            And this doesn’t make sense.

          • tes

            Dear Music Novice,

            Yes you are correct, EPLF not PFDJ. It was an error. At the same time, PFDJ once he came in power he inherited the same political blackmailing. hence for both it is applicable equally. PFDJ political teachings have the same lines regarding ELF still now and everything is done to erase the true history of ELF and keep it away from the people.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mr. Music Novice,

            In politics you can blackmail a political organization or a politician. That is a Common practice when there is no a civilized political discourse.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Prof. tes,

            Believe it or not, let alone conclusion it is not even an opinion. My error is not from lack of knowledge of ELF and its history, but my adding “it is true” to my “Arab land resident leaders.” I can only make it worst if I try to explain why I added that, but believe me, Mr. Amanuel has made sure I paid for it.

            Thank you tes.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            If such lines was dropped from people like Eyob Medhanie, Abi and urdent PFDJites, I could not even wrote a single line in response. These mentioned are valueless in my political critics.

            Unlike them, you have a big place and I value you so much. It is because of this that I came and responded. Now you have restored my faith on you.

            I thank you.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Fanti,

            You must be the most humble person on this site. Every group of people who prescribe to a certain narrative have a taboo area which you must tread carefully.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello MN,
            I can’t tell you enough how I long for the days when we all will be free enough to talk without being afraid of one another!
            Thank you.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Fanti,

            Democracy is supposed to be saying things that makes some people uncomfortable. I cannot see the difference between Isaias and the ‘democrats’ who oppose him?

            The Amarigna saying goes as follows: “Yemiategib enjera bemitaad lay yastawiqal”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam MN,

            You are right. But democracy also demands transparency from those who wears veils and hide behind pen-names. The apostles of Democracy are only those who defend it openly in the public political discourse. Democrats never hide from the public.

            Regrads,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amanuel H.,

            You objected to Fanti’s comment on ELF’s history and in your original reply to Fanti, you said: “Please stay away from the Eritrean domestic politics.”

            But now, you say: “… democracy also demands transparency from those who wears veils and hide behind pen-names.”

            Can you please clarify what you are against? Are you objecting to the commenter/commentator for being non-Eritrean or for using a pen-name or both?

            In the first instance, whether one is from Eritrea or not and whether one uses a pen-name or not, none of us have been elected to public office and none of us are accountable to anyone.

            In the second instance, discussing ideas in a free, open and democratic manner will only enrich our sophistication and strengthen our defences enabling us to arrive at the truth in an elegant way. That is why people publish their research papers in the open, inviting critics to find holes in their arguments. So, the issue of what country one belongs to and the usage of pen-names seem to be irrelevant here. For example, would you object to a commentator who is not from Eritrea or who uses a pen-name if their ideas agreed with your political beliefs?

            Finally, in a region where character assassination and personal blackmail are tools of the trade
            used by Mafia governments for silencing open debates, the use of pen-names are amply justified.

          • tes

            Dear Music Novice,

            Democracy allows one to say what he feels and for the other to defend what is right. Democracy allows two sides to come at a table and tell what is with them.

            Correct me if mistaken but I read between your lines that states let one side just state what he wants and the other should not be present. If I am right then what you said is undemocratic but living in the jungle; “Say whatever you want and no is around to listen kind”. Is this what democracy is for you? If so, you are not alone. Many wild politicians want like that and in fact that is what PFDJ calls “democracy”.

            The simplest definition of democracy is “say what you should and stay responsible for it”.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes, why is it that you always wrong? the simplest definition of democracy is …. “hypocrite” and democracy in its self is repressive and unjust. basically democracy is nothing but the greater good to the greater number but how about the minority? how about every single life deserves absolute respect and dignity? do i have to be on the majority and part of the elites to get what i want? wake up man and start to think.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrikay,

            The scope of democracy also change with change of dynamics. Democracy like every philosophy it evolves. Democracy is not only the rule of majority, but also the fair distribution of power and resources in a diversified society. Take a note.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Nitricc,

            If that is your definition, it is true to what you are doing here. Hypocrite Nitricc.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            Democracy allows an open dialogue and debate with an open mind. But Amanuel H. became very sensitive and tried to create artificial barriers.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam MN,

            Yes democracy require an open dialogue and debate, but democracy also equires transparency of identity in order to have open dialogue and debates. A democrat never fear never hide behind pen name.
            ,b
            Regards,

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amanuel H.,

            Already answered. You may refer to my reply below.

          • tes

            Dear Music Novice,

            For Brother Amanuel Hidrat to be sensitive on ELF’s history is natural. He is among the few who knows the Ins and Outs of ELF organization.

            What I read was Fanti Ghana was not expecting such reactions. As we all by now aware of, every word put here at awate.com is scrutinized carefully. All I can say is Fanti Ghana, with all his wisdom, became so reluctant. And it is natural.

            Yet it is because of the free and democratic platform that we have here that we all have an opportunity to exchange.

            You have put earlier a line which is against the principle of democracy. To put your line, “Democracy is supposed to be saying things that makes some people uncomfortable.” Yes I agree with you imagining what your intention is: “to say what one should say no matter how uncomfortable it is for the other.” But what you missed is the other party, the one who is feeling uncomfortable, say the accused one. What is good about democracy is that it allows the accused an equal opportunity to react in the way he wants. The accused one can use his democratic rights to respond in what ever means*.

            In the case of what we have at hand, Fanti Ghana used his democratic rights to drop what he wants and Amanuel Hidrat used his equal opportunity to react in whatever he wanted. I did the same too on my parts. What is then wrong here?

            Democracy is not throwing words. Democracy is a right of saying what one should say yet remain responsible. Take not here responsible does not mean to be checked. Responsibility here means to face a reaction which amounts equal to what you said.

            tes

          • Music Novice

            Greetings tes,

            The other party may feel uncomfortable umpteen times provided his democratic rights are not trampled upon. There is no case for creating artificial barriers; it is just a sign of weakness.

          • saay7

            Selamat His Fantiness:

            But that would defeat the whole purpose because in the Internet, no subject is conclusively answered; every post is an invitation to more posts. It is the one that referenced the ELF in the “late 70s”: that “almost all” of its leadership had a “permanent address” in “Arab countries.” As Mahmouday pointed out “late 70s” was after ELF’s 2nd National Congress which elected the following leaders:

            1. Ahmed Mohammed Nasser, chairman
            2. Ibrahim Toteel, deputy chairman and head of political office
            3. Abdalla Idris, head of the military office
            4. Tesfai Woldemichael (Degiga), secretary of the EC
            5. Ibrahim Mohammed Ali, head of social affairs
            6. Hamid Adem Suleiman, head of economic office
            7. Melake Tekle, head of security
            8. Azien Yassin, head of foreign relations (later replaced by Abdalla Suleiman)
            9. Tesfamariam Woldemariam, head of information office

            Which one of the above had a “permanent address in Arab contries”? I could go on and list all 42 members of the leadership…Sigh. So the shock was that this came from Fanti; I would have expected it from Abi, Horizon, Hayat, Papillon, T.Kfle, Eyob… But not you. It was so shocking to Emma he used an expletive:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            Thank you, and I see that it can only get worst for me from here on with absolutely nothing to gain.

            I will stand corrected on all things I said regarding ELF in the last two days!!

          • saay7

            Hey His Fantiness:

            It’s all good brother:) Don’t feel down. Today I read somewhere that there was something malicious about awate.com not displaying… well, let me tell the man tell the story:

            I was skimming a website by the name awate.com. There was no New Year or Kidus Yohannes message on the front page. In the comments, I saw one poor soul being scolded for asking a certain lowlander why the lowlander wished a Tewahdo New Year, instead of just New Year. He was told that the new year was not Eritrean but just Tewahdo churche’s new year and that he should keep it in his church’s compound. The poor soul accepted the humiliation and no one else stood up, of course. What the poor soul was served with is a taste of the looming fate of Christian Eritrea.

            As Maude Lebowski tells the Dude: “Lord. You can imagine where it goes from here” after showing him something distasteful.

            Anyway, cheer up! If you are lucky, you will be a martyr to the alleged tyranny of ELFites in some future writing by some tortured soul:) Pray for Eritrea, Fanti, we need all the help of all people with goodwill.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            Actually, I am okay. I am rehearsing Rumi’s there is good in all things philosophy right now.

          • saay7

            Hey Fantiness:

            Try this for size from Rumi:

            “The wound is the place where the Light enters you.”

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay and Semere, way up there,
            Rumi is a life saver; I tell you. I have been getting better by the minute since I left work. Thank you both for the concern and love. I promise I will be like new by tomorrow morning.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Anta Saleh,

            Zegerem Iyu.

            How could an organization lead by a “labor party” (of course behind the official congress) with an ideological path of ” non capitalistic path of development” and with “national democratic program” since 1971 can be a feudal organization with a feudal leaders? Fanti should know that an organization should only be identified by its “political program” and its “ideological orientation”. If he knew ELF equal to the average ELFites, at least he should know the political program and the political orientation of the ELFites. I wouldn’t be pissed off, if it wasn’t from Fanti Ghana, I use to admire him. I am glad at least he understood your way of saying.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            First, you know how one of my frequent admonishing to my young cousin iSem was to stop using the word “lie” or its variations in a sentence: (“you lied!”, “you are a liar!”.) It simply is a a debate-ender. I don’t know why people (and in this case, you) say that when “you made a mistake” or “you are wrong” are available. The first assumes intent (which you can’t possibly know) and the second is neutral: it merely says someone has gotten the facts wrong. All the better if you can prove it with evidence.

            You mentioned how this could be a teaching moment for people like Nitrikay. If you want to make lemonades form lemons, let’s take this opportunity to talk about feudalism in Eritrea. Author Jonas Gebremedhen argued in his classic (to me, anyway) “Peasants and Nationalism in Eritrea: A Critique of Ethiopian Studies” that by the time the Eritrean revolution rolled in, feudalism was dead and buried already: the Marxist revolutionaries were just mouthing slogans they memorized. Feudalism–in its vintage definition of land-owning aristocracy and land-leasing peasants–had been killed by the Italians in the highlands (when they confiscated all the choice land that the Church owned) and killed in the lowlands by the peasants rebellion of the 1940s (Ibrahim Sultan as its leader.) But in the 1940s-1974, feudalism was alive and well in Ethiopia.

            Do you disagree with this assessment?

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal
            I was writing a comment to Emma. I stopped after reading this. But also you should mentions how iSem heeded your call and never used it again. Now I will eliminate ELF and Arab from my comments, I think it will work:-)

          • saay7

            Hi Cousin iSem:

            That is true: you haven’t been doing the “you lie!” j’accuse lately. You have found greener pastures playing the role of Awate’s Howard Stern: agent provocateur:)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            I will retire, the forum speaker has no confidence in me. I am sure you do not know what “confidence “means because unlike in the US, in Canada the government will fall when the house has no confidence in it, in USA, it just gets shutdown;-)

          • saay7

            Hi Cousin iSem:

            You can’t retire: your request has been denied. I have already lost two cousins (Hope and Gheteb) because khoriyom:) Plus, out of the three members of the Canadian Mafia (iSem, Berhe Yeman and Ghezae Hagos), you are the only one who is active at the forum and the Great North would not be heard from if you leave: it would just be yankees and Europeans.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Semere,
            And who is the forum speaker who has no confidence in you? You better tell awate.com quick because it has just finished building its prison cells and housewarmers are needed 🙂

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            Are you asking me beAl Sal diyom?
            ewe
            😉

          • Saleh Johar

            No worry Semere,
            I will raise it in our next board meeting, he has to be punished for that. The problem is he is the sebsabi of the next meeting:-)

          • saay7

            Hi iSem:

            I can’t share a video because I have been put on time-out for overdoing that. I had gotten a yellow card, then a red card and then I was benched.

            I know 3 versions of the song: the traditional one, the Eritrean one, and then the chauvinist-belligerent version which was sang in 1998-00. Which one is ur favorite, I ask innocently.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ya Hala abusalah
            Haha…”i ask innocently”! You know the one that was sung by your cousin Semere’s HM when you used to act extremely belligerent. Saying HM is seriE (taboo in Tigrayt) for Semere.

          • Tzigereda

            Hey Sem,
            Don’t even think about it! Ziban…!

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY please stand corrected. Semere stopped ” you lie” is becouse Ted and I ; left him alone. I can prove that for you. I will say one liner and Semere will swing back by saying ” you lie” lol

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay

            I will get back to you this evening after work. But thank you for your advice.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hello Saay,

            I am back and I will make my last comment.

            Now, for some one, it has been over a decade since they took it as a job to denigrate our history (save Fanti for a moment) and we have debated on it several times to tell them the facts all the ugly and the good, including the ideological orientation of both organizations. They still continue the same blackmailing unabated. So at one point it has to be told as is – a lie. You might ask Why now. Fanti came to tell us, them in TPLF, they see ELF as Feudalist organization and their leaders reside in the Arab countries. He insisted that “It is true.”

            Keep in mind, Fanti Ghana has been a member of this forum all those years, when we were debating with YG, Hayat, and others on the same issue. Then one should ask why did Fanti bring this issue while we are debating on the breaking news of Molla and Demahits? Therefore, It is every one’s call to make his/her assessments. My assessment fall in to – call it as it is. I was taught “Haqi Tikun Sandaka” and I sing it when ever it rings in mind especially when I hear lies. The ELF I know and grew up as a revolutionary in it, isn’t a feudalists organization. ELF was a socialistic oriented organization, since 1971 with an ideological path of “non-capitalist development” and “a national democratic program” – actually before the birth of TPLF and before the formation of united front of the three splinters that form Hizbawi Hailitat. All the organization’s literature was Marxist- Leninist books, and all the monthly periodical publication of “gesgis” and “ghedli Hizbi Eritrea” teaches about Marxism-Leninism. EPLFites and TPLFites know this issue absolutely and no question about that. But the competition of of ELF and ELF-PF (later EPLF) led them to blackmailing each other. So because ELF’s adversaries (EPLF and TPLF) called it Feudalist organization, doesn’t amount to any kind of truth.

            So I am not wrong to call as I see what it is. But I appreciate you for citing the scholar’s explanation as to when feudalism was abolished in Eritrea and what the definition of feudalism is. You made it my day and thank for that. Lastly I will examine whether it is worth for me to spend my precious time in this forum.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            I have to admit you are the only person I know ( among Ethiopians ) who has a soft spot for ELF. You are different maybe special. I used to think you were a member of elf at some point. Am I right?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            Ask me again after TiHlo!

          • Nitricc

            Fantiiiiiii what is up? I read the Eritrea muslim woman asking you about Molla being from your village. I have no idea how she knew that but when narcissistic, i guess you know everything. at the risk i am being wrong, i assume Molla is from where you are from. accordingly when you watch his press conference and observe his body language; what is your take? do you see a man who willingly joined the Ethiopian government or did you see a man that forced to say what he is told to say.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello brother Nitricc,
            I can only take one bullet a day, but what the heck, everything seems too hurried up to be convincing. As you noticed, Molla seemed to be fretting throughout the conference. He seemed he was struggling to contain himself from giggling. I appreciated his civility about the Eritrean border guards though. That was nice of him to say.

            In my heart of hearts, what I believe is that he may have had recent contact with Ethiopian authorities, but I will never believe that he was recruited about a year ago. His conviction about EPRDF’s “goodness” seems too recent and his words, as you said, seemed forced. Anyway, I am still 50/50 about this whole drama.

            That being said, those supposedly against his decision, ESAT, G7, and the like, seem to contradict themselves too. You know what, everybody is either lying or do not know the whole truth yet. Everybody is in a hurry to gain some political mileage from it.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Fanti thanks my man. There is no high land in crossing world. Once they got all the info out of him, then right to the trash bin. If indeed defected not kidnapped. One interesting aspect about his press conference is that he was constantly looking at his notes. If he was given by some one and he has to follow it. I can understand if he refers to his notes here and there but to the tee is Very fishy.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Ante Abi

            Min aynetu neh ebakih? I was looking for you begir beferes yesterday to be an arbiter between Sal and I, you were no where to be found…. Now you owe me.. 😉

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Semere A.,

            It doesn’t seem that what you wrote addresses the age old master-slave relationship between Isaias and the G-15 in an honest way. As everything else that is written on both pro-PFDJ and anti-PFDJ websites, what you wrote has only a feel-good placebo effect, nothing more. According to the reality on the ground, for the pro-PFDJ, Eritrea hasn’t progressed an inch forward; and for the anti-PFDJ camp, Isaias’ power has not been dented one pico-watt.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi MN:
            Oh, the master-slave relationship, I have commented about that to point polarising. we had very heated debates with many, when I accused most G-15 members not only as former slaves but in alliance with IA.
            What I am saying now is that they dead, their history as associates of IA is carved in the stone of Sahel. But I was replying to your assertion that were too obvious for me.
            But you are wrong on the IA support has not been dented, it has been damaged, not because of the valiant struggle of the anti-PFDJ camp, but by IA himself.
            IA’s power was not just the gun, but the worship he enjoyed from the illiterate to the learned and that has evaporated, he is so “powerless” that his power is only in the guns he brandishes

        • Ted

          Hi MN it is nice you are now venting your frustration as supposed to insulating and signaling you have no love left for Eritreanism. i understand you lived in Eritrea for quite some time to know us and i am guessing that you had had unpleasant experience. But “They were not only sycophants and crawlers” is uncalled for and is is out of the guideline of the forum to use inflammatory words and more importantly this subversive attitude doesn’t help in addressing your grievance and opinions in this University.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            In the first instance, I want to inform you that I am an Eritrean highlander through and through, more than you will ever imagine to be. I am only bitter against the decimation of my people for a useless cause.

            Secondly, I want to see you being on the defensive pleading for the moderators to intervene on your behalf for an imaginary offence I am supposed to have caused. I only stated the facts.

          • Ted

            Hi MN, it is good to know those 0.02 percent who voted NO for independence are not extinct:-) I am sure ,100%, you are barking on a wrong tree. Here in Awate, everything goes and you can frame your thoughts around “useless cause.” .You’re welcome:-0)

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            Those who are now critical of PFDJ are not necessarily those among the 0.02%. You see, you are still in a defensive mode.

            I can tell you one thing: I prefer to be on the side of the people rather than a non-tangible promise, which I would call moonshine to be delivered by conmen.

          • Ted

            Hi MN, May be is it me who didn’t undrestand your previous posts to mean against Eritrean struggle for independence. What does it mean when you say “useless cause”.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            The cause of the Eritrean movements was supposed to be lack of freedom and democracy. For this cause, a huge amount of time, human and material resources were squandered. The end result has been slavery, more exile, humiliation, death and destruction. What a useless cause!

            Sunk-Cost logical fallacy:

            Reasoning that further investment is warranted on the fact that the resources already invested
            will be lostotherwise, not taking into consideration the overall losses involved in the further investment.

            X has already been invested in project Y.
            Z more investment would be needed to complete project Y otherwise X will be lost.
            Therefore, Z is justified.

            Example1:
            I have already paid a consultant $1000 to look into the pros and cons of starting that new business division. He advised that I shouldn’t move forward with it because it is a declining market.
            However, if I don’t move forward, that $1000 would have been wasted, so I better move forward anyway.

            What the above person does not realize is that moving forward will most likely result in the loss of much more time and money. This person is thinking short-term, not long-term, and is simply trying to avoid the loss of the $1000, which is fallacious thinking.

            Example2:
            There are ministers, priests, pastors, and other clergy all around the world who have invested a significant portion of their lives in theology, who can no longer manage to hold supernatural beliefs — who have moved beyond faith. Hundreds of them recognize those sunk-costs and are searching for the best way to move on whereas many others cannot accept the loss of their religious investment, and continue to practice a profession inconsistent with their beliefs.

            Of course, the clergy who have not moved beyond faith and are living consistent with their beliefs have not committed this fallacy.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Hello guys,

    Here is the official press conference of Ato Molla,

    Apparently Isayas used to pay 25,000 for rent for him…how much is a rent for a regular home? You can find that a treatment that he has received from Shabia towards the end of the press conference..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLj_Hba4lcM

    • tes

      Dear Eyob Mehanie,

      I know couples of villas that were rented more than that. Don’t be surprised with the price. For Eritreans what PFDJ is doing is more that. Remember all TPDM’s soldiers (about 20,000) were and using fire-wood to cook their food. And if one soldier was consuming about 500 g pf wood per day, 10,000 kg, which is 100 kuintal of wood was cut on daily. And per month, it was 3000 kuintal. How much trees have been destroyed by those rebel groups? have you ever imagined the negative role they are playing in destroying Eritrean resources? And how much it costs?

      tes

    • አዲስ

      Hi Eyob,

      Considering all the moving part at this time and apart from the bravado and/or face saving from both sides, how much is this guy credible to you? Isn’t it a collective failure for all of us concerned that there seems to be no one giving a critical analysis of the situation ? Wouldn’t it be a good thing to have the likes of Addis Neger at the press conference asking questions and writing freely in the country ? There’s a huge information void and independent critical voice in that country and all the people left to hear is the chest thumping from EBC.

      Thanks,
      Addis

      • Eyob Medhane

        Addis,

        I personally don’t know and don’t care about the guy. I believe he did a good thing that he laid his arms. I am not in a band wagon of calling him “jegna” or whatever…

        There were private news outlets at the press conference. I am sure they will be writing and posting excerpts of responses to their questions in the coming days. By the way, I am telling you this from personal knowledge, these days, press conferences and events are open to private press. Unlike, the previous times. They might not be called to ask questions at times, but there is their presence. Even, during PM press conferences.

        Addis Neger? Well…Honestly, I never cared for Tamirat Negera. 🙂 a brilliant man, but very emotional and believes in shouting others down and a bit arrogant to think that he is the ONLY one, who is write. He attacks people he doesn’t know at all based on his assumption of their ethnic affiliation, he does not have a discipline of a serious journalist, who listens and waits his turn to speak his truth. He seems to prefer shouting people down to intimidate them, so he is the only one to be listened to. Therefore, as long as he is not its editor, I am very fine with Addis Neger covering press conferences…. 🙂

        • አዲስ

          Hi Eyob,

          The point of my post was not about a single paper or an individual ( though I like Tamerat Negera very much and with him as an editor Addis Neger was one of the best if not the best paper in the country and that’s to the credit of the whole Editorial team not just him). My post is on the sad state of the free press and the absence of critical voice. At a time like this, I would’ve appreciated a long read with critical analysis full of substance without a spin.

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            That was not a spin. I am just telling you what I believe and what I know.

            1) There are private press members in news conferences these days, whether you believe they are private press or not.

            2) I don’t have much that I have to say about Ato Molla, despite I personally hesitate calling him a hero other than applauding his decision to lay down his arms. I can’t have any further analysis about that, because I know very little of the situation, beyond what others have been saying

            3) Addis Neger was an ok newspaper with a knowledgable editor, who I have certain reservations for and could have been a much better newspaper with out its former editor. You are free to disagree with that part of my opinion, as that is my personal view.

          • አዲስ

            Eyoba 🙂

            I am not accusing of a spin and I believe you when you say there are private press members in news conferences these days. But you can’t deny the overall environment of marginalizing an independent and critical voices that don’t conform the government narrative and it’s sorely missed in a major event like this one.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Give it time. It gradually will progress..Everything can’t be done at the same time. May be the pace that it is going some times feels like a snail pace. But, there is change year to year…

          • አዲስ

            Eyob,

            Actually it’s going backwards but sure we’ll give it time 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • አዲስ

            Eyob,

            This is what Daniel Berhane had to say about that press conference 🙂

            “የሆነው ሆነና ሞላ አስገዶም ለምር የፕሬስ ኮንፍረንስ ዝግጁ ሲሆን ጥሩን – ብዙ የሚጠየቅ አለ፡፡
            አይ በቤተዘመድ ጉባዔ ፎርማት ብቻ ነው የሚችለው ከተባለ አንደኛችሁን በዶክመንታሪ መልኩ አቅርቡት፡፡”

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Ha 🙂 Yeah…I saw what Daniel said. In case, you didn’t notice from my previous comment to you, “..they may not be called on to ask questions at times… “…And I think that is what Daniel was lamenting about… 🙂

  • V.F.

    Truth, are you here to blubber and kiss saay’s behind or debate issues properly? What is wrong with you and you used multiple nicknames. I have alerted the moderators and rest assured you will be shown the doors very soon. You will fit better at tesfanews.

    Contrary to your nickname, you have yet to write a single truthful thing. HTG lays it out for us exactly they way it is. No spin or nothing. That is the truth. You are not the truth. You are in the league of belligerents because your behind is here and deki endamatka kaa yikzefu alewu. Kizf daa bel.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam L.T

    You are funny. You make me really delighted today. Our country is not going to be Singapore, but it is already now Singapore of Africa. Haleliwya. I am packing my stuff to fly back to my sweet home. Thank you for the good news.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Stupendous Man

    Guest,

    Your question has been answered by other participants. DIA was content with the 20,000 number floating around the social media for propaganda purposes until it came to bite his behind in the form of sanctions. The regime in Addis Ababa was also happy to play along since it served it purpose of pointing the finger at DIA as a destabilizing force in the region. Now that Molla has defected, both sides are in political/PR quandary.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    You said: “Knowing the love and admiration you seem to have for a country breaking the law …”

    Guest, you are thoroughly confused. What I said about the relative normality and the flourishing of Ethiopia’s business and Economy is a statement of fact; it has nothing to do with love b

  • L.T

    At first I thought that http://www.awate.com is ok to give some room to Ethiopians to express their sentence they never experience in their dream before.But if we return and see their lives under their chargers they are so difficult to adjut with others also with themselves.They know nothing but war,poodles and killed their neighbors just to get some food.So it was in Ethiopia during 3000 years and it is their proud history.I read recently Elias Kifle article in his site http://www.ethiopianreview.com and he dreamed and he wanted to sleep with it.
    Prof Mesfin W.Mariam had an interview in 2009 with VOA and when they asked”What is wrong with Ethiopian that killing each other?”he said short”if a ethiopian have a weapon in his hand,he must kill someone.

  • tes

    Dear L.T,

    You are funny as usual. How dump is your PFDJ and your hand to write these lines?

    tes

    • sara

      Dear tes
      good day to you! well come back.
      how can you tel L.T is pfdjiesta? not weyanista, demihitista or eprdfista.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Fanti,

    I think this Molla event is so dramatic and the beginning of something. Saay thinks much is still unknown. One insider confirmed to Saay suspicions also confiding the Ethiopian government is not as happy as it sounds in the press statement. But still, I do believe it is a game changer event.

    I’ve read your betweener comment yesterday and it is buried somewhere, hence the decision to place this comment here. Look, on events like this, it is easy to lose the picture, mistake the tree for the forest. 1) Was DemHit some kind of force being nurtured groomed in Eritrea for a big task? Was this force being led by a certain Raya-born* man named Molla? Was this force the center of the most celebrated merger? Was Molla given a the 2nd best position in that merger? Did this guy and his 700+ strong fought their way out to Sudan, with the help of Sudan entered Ethiopia with their armaments just a couple of days after the just-merged honeymoon? If you answer the above questions positively which you must, then that is the forest. The rest are the trees.

    Now, hear this: someone who seems to be well connected to the Ethiopian officials told me that the Ethiopian government was indeed involved all the way as reflected in the statement. This person told me the Ethiopian intelligence authorities declare the DeMHT operation as failed big time in terms of its planned accomplishments and this 2nd man Mokonenn Tesfay plaid a real spoiler.
    Here is how: [this is just paraphrasing what I heard from the guy and he was talking to me and three others, and I was not warned to divulge it…or it could all be untrue]:

    The Ethiopians wanted to get Birhanu out of USA. That was done. Then, Birhanu was eager to create a broad-based merger and Molla plaid it right, and he kept Mokonon in the know every step of the way as he thought he was convinced of the plans. The last phase of the plan was to bring Birhanu out of Asmara to tour the front lines around the border area where most DeMHT and others were accumulated. According to this plan, the Ethiopian commando forces were on stand to be deployed from a certain small town to enter Eritrea to help all the DeMHT and Birhanu (as a prisoner) to cross over. But Mokonon alerted of the whole plan and all means of communications were blocked a day earlier of the plan. Molla knew immediately that he was double played and at that point he had to rush and act by himself without Birhanu wrapped in a gift paper….and all the rest is what you have heard.
    Hayat
    ——————
    * Any relations? At least, do you consider this guy as your home-village hero, Fanti?

    • saay7

      Selamat Hayat:

      So, the short version of this is: there was an Ethiopian mission to kidnap Dr. Berhanu Nega but it failed and it resulted in Ethiopia’s human assets in Eritrea (the Molla faction of TPDM) to be exposed resulting in their exodus to Sudan. And this is a success….how?

      My question is why were you and Papillon in such a rush to declare this an Ethiopian victory simply on the basis of Ethiopian state media reports when your own common sense should have told you that it wasn’t? The next thing you are going to find out is that they–Molla & Co–were disarmed by Sudanese officials: there is no country in the world that would allow armed foreigners into its land. And once Ethiopians learn of that–that they surrendered their arms–all the make-up that Ethiopia is applying on them as heroic figures will crumble.

      saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Saay,
        I wanted to read just yours after I called it a day because well, you are saay. But,I encourage you to read HTG’s piece addressed to Tes. You are beautifully described in there.

        • saay7

          Hi Hayat:

          I am one of the belligerents? Say it ain’t so!

          I am actually a humble member of your Prime Minister, Mahmoud Saleh’s, club: the Truth-Bound Society.

          The clash here was simple (and a classic within the Eritrean opposition for the last 14 years): one defines truth by observing facts; the other defines truth to mean whatever the Ethiopian government says it is.

          And with every development, the two versions have a discussion–and the TPDM incident was no different.

          Now, here’s something that has mystified me that you can help out with (because of your reliable sources in the Ethiopian government.) The Isaias regime, out of the blue and without any basis, was saying that the Ethiopian government is saying “it has secured a green light from the United States to unleash war on Eritrea.” Now, is this completely made up or related to the “commando” movements getting organized for the Mosad operations to kidnap one man–Dr Berhanu Negga–from Eritrea? I appreciate all your fresh-off-the-oven news.

          saay

          * Rather than getting mad for being totally wrong on this, I think you should congratulate your prime minister for his dogged investigative report. Pouting is not an attractive trait; even Abi will be turned off.

          • Pass the salt

            Hi SAAY,
            Hayat is done reading for the day – you will have to wait till tomorrow. But I think she showed some courage to share new info althought it wasn’t supportive of her earlier arguments. Give some credit if you want more forthcoming. Anywho… If the plan was to get Berhanu Nega and had it suceeded, we would’ve been in a whole lot complex issue that involves four or more countries, including the United States and possibly Sudan too.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            1) Don’t even try it: pouting or not, the thing between me and Abi will remain air-tight. You have no chance to get between him and me. It is straight from the heavens, not earthly thing.
            2) Given the information I shared with you is all true, i would think the Ethiopian government’s sense of unfulfilled mission with this TPDM operation is more like a perfectionist student who takes it for granted to score a 100/100 but scored about 95/100. You can simply imagine how greatly the icing of the cake would have been if they had gotten Birhanu. The fact that they penetrated that deep into the Eritrean intelligence system to convert Molla, keep him as their mole for a year, and he found it possible to reach out to 700-800 strong for that long, and maintain their access line to every security briefings where Molla is involved or informed is a great success. It is also very telling how useless the Eritrean intelligence is and how potent the other side is. It is a proof of how IA is not only out-powered, but also all and all outfoxed over and over.

            3) The fact that this is happening after so much fanfare about the newly formed coalition is a blow to the sponsors, and a success to the Ethiopians.
            4) The fact that the actors of the operation, Molla and his guys, forced their way out overcoming counter engagements must be success to the Molla side.
            5) Such a plan and attempt to get this guy all the way from the US, to Eritrea and from Eritrea to Ethiopia must tell you how meticulously the Ethiopian intelligence plans and you should remember how they got Andargachew a year ago. In fact, sooner or later they will get Birhanu, too. I was told Andargachew was with EPRP and he was caught by TPLF as a prisoner of war. He was wounded when he was caught and after they treat his injury he was a convert and he was working with them in getting out their messages to the non-Tigrigna speaking Ethiopians. The he told them he wanted to recruit members from Ethiopians in the Sudan. When they let him go for the task, he didn’t return, then. But he returned in 1991 and he was a top official in the Addis Administration. He left again, he returned in 2005 with Kinjit politics. Then he left again until they meet him in Yemen. This sounds adeja vu route for Birhanu. You can only appreciate how the Woyane are also magnanimous pardoners, something totally alien to EPLF/PFDJ/IA.
            6) Nobody seems to be noticing the role of Sudan here. While we all were thinking Kessella was almost a backyard of IA and under his tight sphere of influence, this event tells how he is losing his edge, and he is no more feared by the Sudanese. By the way, you are wrong on the info of Sudan disarming TPDM soldiers on their arrival.
            7) I wish there were such an intelligence capacity, at least a tiny of it/ in the opposition that can be used to free some high profile operations such as freeing prisoners in EraEro.
            ———————–
            8) “Green light from the USA”- I have no clue what this means, Saay. The Eritrean government said the Ethiopian government said that it secured a go-ahead from the USA. First of all, I don’t believe the Ethiopian government needs any green light if they want to make a move. Second, the statement doesn’t say as to where, how and to whom the Ethiopians said that. Third, I don’t believe the US would support any military action on the Eritrean regime. I think the Eritrean regime can say that for many other reasons such as out of the need of justifying the delay to end the National Service.
            Hayat

          • Asmerom

            Dear Hayat
            For your information here is what Saay7 said on one of his article “So no Iam not an optimist . And this is why I propose a PFDJ-without -Isaias solution. Because when I see 50,000 De M.H.T soldiers in Eritrea 20,000 conscripted soldiers I can’t see any scenario where an “armed struggle” will crest anything but a massive disaster. And those who say otherwise are wild optimist who don’t know our history and our proclivity for producing shefatu…”
            So now when he found the De M.H.T force has left and his proposition is not going to work he has to divert the issue to the SEMG report and not say a word about the issue . The second thing that he is wrong is Mola was not the leader of De MHT since the inception it was by the name Fissehsye Hailmariam the first leader of the De MHT he was assassinated by colonel Fisum and Mola was the second leader by Isaias choice

          • saay7

            Hi Hayat:

            I guess you are truly vested in this story, huh?

            I am done with the story…just one point. You actually think that Sudan did not disarm TPDM soldiers on their arrival. Molla says that the Sudanese told him, “welcome, this is your second country….” and he skips the part where they told him, “…your weapons can also think of Sudan as their second country” when he and his soldiers were disarmed:) I understand why he had to skip that–he is a military man, after all and that is the biggest “dishonor” in military culture. I don’t understand why you keep sticking to that story simply because your “sources” told you so. Check out yesterday’s Sudan Tribune.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            Vested? I was answering questions like: why did you and Papi…? What do you think…US green light for Ethiopia to? If it was all about kidnapping one man, then….
            Also, you cannot be done with this story. Trust me, you will revisit and revisit it at will because of its far-reaching impacts and new realizations.

        • Asmerom

          Dear Hayat
          Leave Saay alone because he is mad that Mola played IA.
          He is going to bring the SEMG report n belittle the operation cause he has to protect PFDJ which he believes can be reformed..

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Sal:
        If the attempted operation failed then, for the purpose of that particular operation it has failed and if Hayat’s source is correct then the plan failed. The turn coats and betrayals or heroism depending from which side of Merebe one see it is common theme in the last 60 years both in the armed struggle and the tug of ware between Eritrea and Ethiopia
        But the salient point is that PFDJ’s Eritrea conspire with foreigners to betray Eritrea and its people. PFDJ’s Eritrea entrusts the welfare of the nation to the hands of foreigners. To me this is beyond the military importance, PFDJ may also have contacts and secret plans with the some Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia, But Ethiopia does not use Eritreans to torture, terrorize Ethiopians, so regardless the failure or success of this i incident Ethiopia, TPLF, EPRDF is the victor. The operation may have failed, but the stupidity of PFDJ has succeeded, the operation may have crumbled, and Molla and his men may have run for their lives when PFDJ discovered but both Eritreas: PFDJ’s Eritrea upon whose rabble we want to rebuild the real Eritrea have failed.
        Ethiopia wins whether TPDM is in good terms with PFDJ when they outsourced their roundups and terror to them, Ethiopian wins if the entire operation of their grand plan succeeded, Ethiopia also wins when the grand plan fails it seems and only a handful of soldiers and Molla makes it to in one piece, Ethiopia wins even if no soldier and no Molla make it.

        • saay7

          Hey Cousin iSem:

          I think your definition of “winning” is the one that Charlie Sheen uses. That’s: everything is winning:)

          This guy:

          https://youtu.be/9QS0q3mGPGg

          saay

      • Ted

        Hi saay, let’s see why the comic guy of the Simpsons say the “the worst spy movie ever”

        In ETV narration they gave as the hook of the story ; heroic spy came back home breaking the defence line” then now we hear the plot line from insiders(according to her) was to get Birhanu in to TPLF’s hand. As the plot develops the sidekick of the protagonist who supposedly in the know of the plot betray the mission at 11 hrs*. At the end of the movie we see the protagonist running for his life with his few trustees. Do you blame the comic guy.
        Let see see the brilliance of those producers in Minilik palace who gave the green light for the mission.
        -luring Birhanu: Do they know with absolute certainty the plan would work. Did they think it through beforehand the implication of failed plot. From what we know, Birhanu is big treat to TPLF residing in America let alone he becoming “selfless professor and warrior” in the desert of Eritrea. Birhanu arrival in Eritrea, for what it worth, is a big blow to TPLF in many ways and a moral booster to Ethiopian oppositions. What follows after this mess they created is even worse making it a bit difficult fighting G7 and its affiliates in Eritrea or other political oppositions inside Ethiopia.
        -Does the lives of the people who were fighting under Molla matters if they succeed or fail. Does the mission to get one person(Birhanu) justify endangering that many people.
        *The man who betray the mission (Shaebia agent) to break his alliance in the 11th hour is absurd.
        It is bad they labeled molla a hero, it is even worse they try to justify the plot.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzyd91NFx-Y

      • AOsman

        Dear SAAY,

        I joked about the Sudanese giving fanta (maybe it was pre-arranged reception for the Ethiopian heros ) instead of seeing them disarmed. Even the guy (Ben) from Ethiofirst went through a process of approval and beat the Sudanese army and to the location of TPDM while they were fully armed. Sudanese security is way too loose, they live in a different world (blame the morning shehan-ful or the malaria mosquito), it would not surprise me if TPDM get disarmed by Ethiopia – unless Molla stays put in Sudan for longer due to negotiations of his surrender – I sense you have some info on that. Hey through Gedab or The Pencil, looking forward for some nuggets to chew on the story.

        Regards

        AOsman

        • saay7

          Hala Abu-Affan:

          I think you are using stereotypes* of Sudanese. Fact is, and this happened in Eritrean history re:ELF 1981 so we don’t have to guess, Sudan (or any other country in the world) is not going to allow armed foreigners to enter its land. It is sovereignty 101. So all that “TPDM entered Ethiopia carrying their weapons” is because the story of “Hero Molla” must have a heroic ending or እታ ሕካያ ሞላ ዝጠፍኣ ሞቶር ክትከውን እያ::

          Never mind Gedab News, the man who did the definitive reporting on this (he scooped us) is Prime Minister In Waiting Mahmouday. Not just reporting but first rate analysis. I think we should have “All You Need To Know About The TPDM Drama” and have it in front page. What do you think?

          saay

          * There is a joke about Sudanese and the Quranic Surah “Ahl Kahf” and the cave where they were supposed to have slept for 300 years. But I will save it for another day.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saleh, ወይ ሳልሕ ሓወይ ዘይትብሎ ኮ የብልካን ኣህለል ካፍ ድኣ ከምዚ ድዮ ዛንተ ኦም ?

            እቲ ንጉስ ከዕብድዎ ኣዚዙ (ባርዮት ኮይኖም ከገልግሉ -ከም ፈጣሪ ከምልኽዎ) :: እንተስ ሓሙሻዮም እንተስ ሻዱሻዮም እንተስ ሻቡዓዮም እንተስ ሻሙናዮም ከልቢ ምንባሩ እዮ ዝዝንቶ :: እቶም ሰባት ተሓቢኦም ንፈጣሪኦም የምልኹን ይጽልዮን ምንባሮም ኣብ ምፍላጡ ኸ ኣ ኣንዳዕዲዖም ካልእ ኣምላኽ ከምዘሎ ነገርዎ :: እሞ ንጉስ ክቅተሉ ኣዘዘ ካብ ‘ታ ከተማ ሃዲሞም ከኣ ኣብ ብዓቲ ብምብጻሕ ኣዕረፉ : :

            ፈጣሪ ነዞም ሰባትን ከልቦምን ንሰለስቲ ሚእቲ ዓመታት (300 years) ከምዝድቅሱ ገበሮም :: ድሕሪ ሰለስተ ሚእትን ትሻዓተው ዓመታት ከኣ ተበራበሩ እም ንቅሩብ ግዜ ዝደቀሱ መሰሎም :: ሓደ ካብ ኣቶም ከኣ እቲ ንጉስን ሰዓብቱን ከይረኽብዎ ተጠንቂቁን ተለቲሙን ናብ ታ ከተማ ኸደ ::መግቢ ክገዝእ እቲ ሒዝዎ ዝነበረ ባጤራ ግን ናይ ‘ቲ ንጉስ ዘመን ባጤራ ብምዃኑ ሰባት ተገረሙ ::”እዚ ድኣ ናይ ቀደም ዘመን ስልዲ እንድዩ “ብምባል ሰዓብዎ ንሱ ብቁልጡፍ ተመሊሱ ንብጾቱ ነገሮም : እቶም ብጾቱ ከኣ “ደጊም ምንባር ኣድላይነት የብሉን ንሕና ንጹሃት ካብ ኮና ሞት እና ንጠልበካ ” ብምባል ንፈጣሪ ለሚኖም ካብዛ ዓለም ተሰናበቱ ::እቲ ጸገም ግን እቶም ደቂ ታ ኸተማ ሞይቶም ምስ ጸነሕዎም ከም ኣማልኽቲ ብሙቅጻር ኣብ ቲ በዓቲ ኮይኖም ክጽልዩን ምጅማሮም እዩ ::
            you can watch also,
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JT12VvDIvc

          • saay7

            Selamat Kokhob:

            I wasn’t going to tell the joke but now you forced me.

            ኣህለል ካፍ ን300 ዓመት ኣብ ብዓቲ ከም ዝደቀሱ ብቅዱስ ቁርኣን ይንገር። እቲ በዓቲ ናይ ታሪኽ ተንተንቲ ኣብ ዖማን ጆርዳን ይርከብ ካብ ዝብሉ መዓት ህዝቢ ብንግደት ይመጾ:: ሓደ ግዱስ ወዲ ኦርዶን ከምዚ ኢሉ ይሓቶ ንሓደ ሱዳናዊ ጋሻ:

            “ስምዓኒስከ: ካብዞም ኩሎም ምእመናን ስለምንታይ እዩ እቶም ዝበዝሖ ኣጋይሽ ነዛ በዓቲ ኣህለል ካፍ ዝዞርዋ ደቂ ሱዳን? እንታይ የ ምስጢራ መማኸርካኒ ዶ?”

            ሱዳናዊ ዓርኩ ትቅብል ኣቢሉ፥ “ከም ትፈልጦ: ንሕና ሱዳናውያን ብትህኪትና ኣብ ዓለም ውሩያት ኢና:: ኣብዚ ንመጽኦ ‘እንታዎት እዮም እዚኦም ካባና ንላዕሊ ህኩያት ን 300 ዓመት ዝድቅሱ’ ንፍላጥ እዩ” በሎ ይበሃል::

            ሕጂ በጃኻ ቀስ ኢልካ ሰሓቅ: ነቶም ኾረይቲን ኾርፋፍትን ኣይትንገረለይ፥ ሴፎም ሒዞም ይወጣወጡ ኣለዉ::

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hala Welah Saay7,

            ሞይተ ኳ እየ ብሰሓቕ ! ኣነ ድማ ካልእ ክጽበ ጸነሐ :

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Hayata,

      The Tigrinya version of the EBC news was slightly better coverage than the Amharic version, and it fits your friend’s account of espionage and whistle blowing. What a new year’s gift Birhanu would have made!! I can only imagine the fear Birhanu will now immerse himself into.

      I had one Asgedom uncle who passed away several years ago, but he wouldn’t have a son this young. If Molla makes it to higher places, in the other hand, I shall investigate!

      Coincidently, when I was growing up, our local hero was also named Molla (Molla Wekele.)
      He was very close family friend to me. We lived together for a few years in the Sudan. He was quite a character.

      Thank you for the update.

      • Abi

        Fantastic
        Birhanu Nega qenu yechelemebet
        Agerun kedto Eritrea yegeba elet.

        • Ted

          Hi Abi, Unlike you who couldn’t settle on where Ethiopian border begins and ends, for all the Dr knows, he is in one of Ethiopia’s provence. Either way the unimaginative TPLF made him a hero without him firing a single bullet. They created a Frankenstein monster aiming to kidnap him in their botched operation. We Eritreans envy to have a man like him, if nothing else, to get groups to work together..

          • Abi

            Ted
            Please don’t insult me . I know exactly where the border of ethiopia starts and ends. It starts from the Red See.
            Qey Bahir berachin ahuni qey nat…

    • Truth

      Dear Gual Aboy Adem:
      If the TPLF National Security Advisor disclosed to U such a Sensitive and Top Secret Operation within days of the ” Failed Operatiom”, per your own words,then we are dealing here with top Ethiopian National Security Advisors here @ THE Awate University ….. Wow,we are excited indeed!
      Kudos to the Awate Univ for hosting such kind of top Persomalities and Officials!

    • V.F.

      how about this from a facebook freelancer on ethio affairs:

      ስለሞላ አስገዶም እና ከሱ ጋር ስለመጣው የዴምሕት ሠራዊት፡፡
      ——–
      የኢሳቱ ፋሲል የኔዓለም፡- አመት በአል ልናከብር ነው ብሎ ሰራዊቱን አታሎ ወሰዳቸው፡፡
      የዴምሕት ጊዜያዊ ሊቀመንበር መኮንን ተስፋይ ቪኦኤ ትግርኛ ላይ፡- ለሥራ ትፈለጋላችሁ ብሎ ነው የወሰዳቸው፡፡
      ———
      መኮንን በቪኦኤ ትግርኛ ላይ (ሰኞ) – ብዛታቸውን ገና እያጣራን ነው፤ በፐርሰንትም መግለጽ አልችልም፡፡
      መኮንን ራሱ ኢሳት ላይ (ሰኞ) – ከሞላ ጋር የሄዱት 2 ፐርሰንት ቢሆኑ ነው፡፡
      ——–
      ጳገጉሜ 3፡- ሞላ አስገዶም አዲስ የተመሠረተው ቅንጅት ም/ሊቀመንበር ሆና ተመረጠ፡፡
      ዛሬ መኮንን ተስፋይ፡- ሞላ አቅም የሚያንሰው፣ ተገምግሞ ሊባረር በመሆኑ የሸሸ ነው፡፡
      ——–
      ጎበዝ ሳምንት ሊሆን ነው እኮ! የሚመስል ወሬ ፍጠሩ እንጂ፡፡
      ሠራዊቱን ብቻ ሳይሆን ፕሮፓጋንዳውንም የሚመራው ሞላ ነበረ እንዴ?

      • Eyob Medhane

        V.F,

        Did you just call the man, who wrote this a “Facebook freelancer”? 🙂

        Believe me, he is much more than a “facebook freelancer”… 🙂

        • V.F.

          Eyobe, point well taken. I edited my comment above.

  • Volte Face

    Dear moderator, Araya, guest, Truth, Hope are one person. Please kick this guy suffering from multiple personalities out of here. I hate to see HTG dragged down and distracted from his real purpose and calling. Thank you!

    • Truth

      Dear Volte Force:
      You better go to where you belong and take Haile with you as it sounds like you guys are acting like ” Gen Molla Asghedom and Andargachew Tsighe as per the TPLF Natoonal Security Advisor ,Ms or ” Dr ” Hayat Adem reported it above !
      You guys are being caught on a day light with your pants down !
      Make sure you know that you are dealing with Original ERITREANS ,NOT half and half ones and U better understand that U cannot intimidate such kind of ERITREANS,who have gone through the THICK and THICK!
      We never trusted Tigreyans,and we will never do so!
      It is unfortunate that we R victims of their Cousin but ” Ezi Ewin Kihalif Eyyu”
      BTW:
      Here is what our fathers say about U and your likes:
      “Weyyo Neti Natensi Ni Enda Hamaten”!
      But U better refrain from name calling’

  • haileTG

    hahaha…you wouldn’t know low because it is written right in your forehead, you can’t see it. I actually wish demhit to drag out your psycho blood daddy on the streets. CRUSHING a mercenary of a dictator that rapes the young in sawa, that enslaves the youth, that bulldozes the poor people’s meager investment, that orders dance right after announcing Eritrean bodies were being fished from the Mediterranean sea in its Atlanta guwayla, that locks people and throews the key and lets them eat and defecate in the same container, that creates UNHCR villages in noman’s lands, that tells the people that they are animals so they should go to where water is, that tells them their children whose organ his harvested are on a picnic…you get my drift. Grab a pop corn, here is a video for you…lowly loser

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2rEQlqbXCU

    • Guest

      Again, ሕውስውስ ሕውስውስ ፣ ምሉቕ ምሉቕ …….

      How soon can you jump from land locked Woyanie land & your hero Molla (Kiros was yesterday, now it is molla time:) ), all the way to the wet part of our world, the Mediterranean? 🙂 ሕውስውስ ሕውስውስ. Confuse people and pretend as if you ever have something important to say.ሕውስውስ ሕውስውስ…..

      Didn’t you at some point say Demhit was raping Eritreans? no? …….ሕውስውስ ሕውስውስ

      “I actually wish demhit to drag out your psycho blood daddy on the streets. CRUSHING a mercenary..”

      Wait, what? Demhit (An Ethiopian group, outsider) crushing mercenary (our EDF)? An Eritrean defense force is a mercenary in its own country now? …are you high or something? or just being your usual idiot self?……….ሕውስውስ ሕውስውስ. What the h***

      • haileTG

        hahaha…that is just the tip, keep coming I will mess you up in your own..you know what..

      • Music Novice

        Greetings Guest,

        “land locked Woyanie land” is doing a flourishing business through Djibouti and Hargeisa while your PFDJ master is busy consorting with terrorists and going down the plughole. You can’t build a Singapore-like economy through extortion and what looks like bootlegging activity. The EPLF/PFDJ are not suited to mainstream politics and to normal economic Activity. The feel more comfortable acting as street conmen and confidence tricksters. What a curse!

    • Guest

      Oh, by the way that congratulatory, hugs and high fives you had with your girlfriend
      (boyfriend? hey, you could be modern :)) celebrating your Demhit drama, was out of this world
      phew…

      I mean look at this:

      http://awate.com/strapping-youth-how-do-you-feel-about-our-incarceration/#comment-2253468744

      • haileTG

        lalala…haha give that to the blood hooked belligerents. Tell me how it feels to get slapped by your TPDM prostitutes right in front of the martyrs grave yards!!!…. lowlife scambag

        • Eyob Medhane

          Haile,

          I keenly remember your advice to us, when we had stuff to say about Dr. Bereket. I think by going back and forth with such a person you are pulling yourself down to the gutter level, where such people usually reside. Please don’t drag your high caliber to that level…

          • haileTG

            True say Eyoba,

            This person from its time here as asmara is full of the PFDJ sickness that I can’t resist slapping up every time it shows its nasty face here. I will take your advice and let it run in the sewer alone:)

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam haile TG,
            .
            There is I believe a Texan saying that makes it crystal clear about the subject Eyob raised. It goes something like this.
            .
            One should never go to a pig sty and wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.
            .
            Do you notice how exhilarated they get when you engage them, that is showing their intense enjoyment.
            .
            K.H

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hailat,

      I hope, by now you know who this “Guest” is. If you don’t know him yet, he is “Gheteb” (a) who lost a debate twice with you and Hayat (b) who turned my invitation for a town house debate with top “Eritrean intellectuals” (our ivory tower) from higher educational institutions, when he start to dance with self-aggrandizement in this forum. I think you don’t need to waste your time with this distractor. He has nothing to contribute except to throw his insults.

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
        .
        I think you are right. I was wondering where I have seen that deformed face and now I know. I guess what threw me off was this time he was short in his shots. Now I wont bother reading his post.
        .
        K.H

Archive: Ending Dialogue By Proxy

04 May 2017 Awate Team Comments (13)

Seventeen years after it was signed, the Algiers Eritrea-Ethiopia peace accord remained elusive. Fifteen years after the Eritrean Ethiopian Border…

Sanctions on Eritrea: Will They Or Won't They?

30 Apr 2017 Salyounis Comments (100)

1. It's sanctions season, and the question is "will they or won't they?"  Will the UN Security Council (UNSC) extend…

Seventeen Years in Prison without Charge

26 Apr 2017 awatestaff Comments (441)

The person profiled* in this edition is Haj Mohammed Ali Mahmoud, a citizen from the town of Gelluy, commonly pronounced…

The Death of Mihret Eyob as an Illustration

21 Apr 2017 Awate Team Comments (375)

The Eritrean tragedy is not obscure to anyone who follows current events; there is an international awareness about the thousands…

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