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Some Senior Eritrean Officials Taking Risky Steps

On June 5, 2018 PM Abiy announced his government’s acceptance of the Algiers Agreement that was signed between Eritrea and Ethiopia in 2000. The Agreement followed a two-year devastating border war in which about 100,000 lives were lost and hundreds of thousands of people from the two countries were displaced from their villages and towns.

Prime Minister Abyi’s announcement was followed by his visit to Asmara on July 8, 1018. A week later, Isaias Afwerki reciprocated by visiting Ethiopia.

After almost two-decades of tense relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea, and the peace overtures that were announced seemed to usher a quick normalization and that the border would be demarcated for a lasting peace in the region. In addition, the media hype set the expectation of the people of the two countries so high, particularly after the Ethiopian national carrier started regular flights to Asmara.

In its maiden flight to Amara after almost two-decades, Ethiopian Airlines carried many hopeful “investors” who traveled to Asmara to explore investment opportunities. However, the investors reported they were disappointed by the receptions and cooperation they got from Eritrean officials. Many of them complained of the disorganized and poor information system as well as the absence of clear investment laws.

Sources told Gedab News that the frustration of the Ethiopian investors was due to the silent protest of the Eritrean public officials.

On June 25, 2018, an Eritrean delegation led by Yemane Gebreab, the president’s political adviser, and Osman Saleh, the foreign minister, traveled to Addis Ababa to make arrangements for Dr. Abiy’s visit to Asmara, and Isaias’ visit to Addis Ababa.

When Isaias traveled to Addis Ababa, many senior officials of the government and commanders of the security forces were asked to accompany him. However, they were not happy with the way Isaias was making individual decisions without consulting anyone else. However, in an uncharacteristic step, many officials made risky excuses to avoid traveling with Isaias.

At least two military commanders pretended to be sick and stayed in bed to avoid traveling with the president. Only a few officials, including Yemane Gebreab, Osman Saleh, Askalu Menkerios, Fozia Hashim, and the president’s security details, accompanied Isaias Afwerki, a small group compared to the large entourage that accompanied PM Abiy.

Would-be Ethiopian investors arrived in Asmara when most officials purposely left their offices or pretended to be sick, or out of town and the junior officers could not provide them with the investment-related information they required.

The silent protest continues with many officials refusing to cooperate and keep making excuses not to see visitors.

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  • saay7

    Hi Alex:

    I argue that the same qualities that make the internet so liberating – the ability to join and leave a community at will; to write under multiple identities; to draw an immediate and uncensored reaction; to preserve and resurrect old arguments – make it perilous for groups, like the _____ opposition, that are already vulnerable to internal conflict.

    In the ____ above, you can place the word “Eritrea”, but it was originally written for Uzbekistan exiled opposition.

    That is, inherent in being an exiled opposition, there is a built-in failure rate. Whether that is Rwandan, Cuban or Tibetan opposition in exile, the government will always define an exiled opposition (in our case an opposition formed in exile) as alien and manipulated by external forces. In fact, in modern times, the only exiled opposition that has had a measure of success (by successfully tagging its brute as guilty of committing crimes against humanity) is that of Chile. Rwanda’s is closest: first to form the oppo were the Hutus, then were joined by the Tutsis in 2001, and they have been consolidating and breaking up since then. Just like us. A bit worse than us: they are labeled not just as traitors but as “divisionists” (whatever that means) and exterminators.

    So, the first thing I hope Eritreans would do is to understand the limits of exiled opposition: it is to use the law to argue that a government is breaking the law. (Moral arguments and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee.) The second is to try to compare where we are by that measure. Remember, if there are so many “silent majority”, it must be not just because the opposition is fragmented but because they are very turned off by what the Government of Eritrea is doing. The third thing: social media is a blessing and a curse.

    Incidentally, I think there is no opposition that has shaken the incumbent government more than the Eritrean opposition has—since the Chilean case. Not bad for an entity that supposedly doesn’t exist. Nothing succeeds like success: the first thing that needs to change is our state of mind. And our willingness that we (except those who have nothing but apologies and excuses for the government) are all in the opposition.

    saay

  • saay7

    Selamat Abdulworld:

    Referencing the Pan-Eritrean conference that people are working on:

    1. It’s intent is to create a consolidated Eritrean movement for positive change. To consolidate the fragmented opposition into a people’s movement.

    2. That it is going to be initiated at Geneva is a way to build on (in my view) the biggest successes of the Pro-Justice Eritreans so far: in 2015 Isaias Afwerki administration was accused of committing crimes that may amount to crimes against humanity; in 2016 it was indicted for committing crimes against humanity. The rest of the world has said “yes, but…” and protected the regime.

    3. Is there any assurance that at all three stages—attending the meeting on September 1, electing the preparatory committee, organizing the conference, activities post the conference—things won’t fall apart? No. But this is the rule and not the exception for activists and politicians who hold strong opinions about the way forward. If it succeeds, great; if it fails, we try again. The alternative is to passively wait for change to come via the goodwill of the Isaias administration.

    4. fyi, I have a very, very, very modest contribution to this effort.

    saay

    • abdulworld

      Hello Saay,
      Those sounds like positive steps. However, given the history I think organizers or participate should start looking tools and expertise from outside. I believe the insular nature of our community might be making us like hamsters in cage just spinning.
      Also, there is severe generation gap from within Eritrean community and we need tools and expertise.

      There are organization like “roadmap consulting”, “Social Transformation Project”, “social change agency”….
      Those organization can provide tools and methods and strategy that maintain and grow the Conference.

      I think it is important to talk about PDJF and what they are doing but works need to be done on the other side that wants to bring the change across. Let’s acknowledge and become aware of people and organization that want to bring the change.
      We need to celebrate those organization and what they actual stand for…

      Can you imagine what the people in Eritrea will start thinking when there is an solid organization or conference in diaspora that understands and them wants to help them…

      • saay7

        Selam Abdulworld:

        What you are saying is part of the wealth of the Eritrean oppositions experience. The first “outside traditional opposition” to come up with a “roadmap” was a TA Taddesse (in 2001.) Since then there have been dozens of roadmaps, white papers, charters and terms of reference designed by highly qualified PhDs. That is, the shortage has not been of qualified people or analytical skills.

        Nor was it our insularity. If anything, the Eritrean opposition has been fairly and unfairly criticized for being interdependent on GOs and NGOs with who it has overlap of objectives. If we, for the sake of brevity, include Eritrea’s civil society as part of the opposition, one is hard pressed to say how it could have had any success without allying without advocacy groups with louder megaphones (CPJ, RSF, HRW, AI to name a few.) The Ethiopia-based opposition has been accused of being too dependent on Ethiopia—sometimes by Ethiopia based or formerly Ethiopia based opposition. Where I see the flaws are:

        1. Silos: in organizations, the worst thing one can do is to create independent departments that don’t talk to one another. These are called silos: stand alone, delivering poor service. Similarly in the Eritrean opposition INCLUDING its civil society (INCLUDING its media) what we have are silos: each working independently. For example, Medrek had funding that it could have funneled to Assenna and Erena and other radio stations. Instead, it chose to build its silo, burn its cash and discontinue its radio program.

        2. Treating politics as a commodity: in marketing, the idea is to differentiate your product or service from others. For far too long, Eritrean politics (and again I include civil society here) has been about differentiating self and creating a tiny entity you have full control over than joining a bigger entity whose direction you can only contribute to. There is no barrier to enter and there is no taboos to breakups. Consequently we have too many organizations that nobody can identify with absolute certainty.

        3. Except for organizations with armed groups who are fighting to overthrow the regime, whether we know it or not whether we admit it or not, all we can do in the distant Diaspora is to be effective pressure groups that force the government to change or empower those inside to force it to change. This means that our tools are only those that can rally our people and are acceptable to the laws of our host countries.

        4. The biggest mobilization tool is a vision of post PFDJ Eritrea. The argument of “let’s focus on getting rid of PFDJ and we will work out the rest” does not appeal to many (most?) people because of mistrust. Those who think that all the fight is about is to return Eritrea to 1997 will never join because they had unresolved and unaddressed issues in 1997: primarily right of return for refugees, state appropriation of Land and a winner takes it all value system. Those who think that the fight is to take us way back to pre independent Eritrea are in trepidation that that is some Trojan horse to create a new Eritrea they will not recognize. For this wall of mistrust to be shattered, people need to sit down face to face and talk.

        5. As with everything, to quote Stalin, “what matters is not who votes but who counts the voting”, who takes the initiative to invite is always seen as having a head start. In the past lots of people have taken the initiative, and many had a great start but then it was stalled. Any new initiative that hopes to learn from them has to listen to them and not dismiss them as losers or failures.

        If one looks at home-based movements to bring about change, one can always see inspiration from outside: whether it’s G13 influencing G15 in 2001, the peak of Eri opposition resulting in the roundup of a dozen accused of plotting government overthrow in 2005 (including musician Idris Mohammed Ali) whether it is (maybe?) the Arab Spring (?) influencing the Forto mutiny of January 2013 (arrest of PFDJ exec Abdella Jaber, Governor Mustoojs Nurhussein, General Omar Teweel, EPLF founding member Imaro) and many others we probably don’t know.

        The point is: we are not short of modern ways of communicating or project management tools or fundraising. The problem is actually that we Eritreans have not been able (or willing) to take a leap of faith and trust that the other is trustworthy. And of course the PFDJ (when it is pretending the opposition doesn’t exist) has a huge budget and devotes a lot of energy infilitrating and frustrating it. People will be very surprised to learn what one of the two requests Isaias Afwerki made to the Saudi King when he first asked what it would take for him to make peace with Ethiopia.

        saay

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Abdu,

    I very much agree that looking into history and the experiences of others in similar situation like ours is a must. In fact, to do so is to follow natural clues and signposts that are there to help decision making.

    Getting closer to where we are at the moment, Somalia 1990/91 comes to mind. Said Barre’s regime was forced out and the country sunk in to the the abyss of divisions, recriminations and external interference that 27 years on it still is struggling to come out from.

    When PFDJ supporters point to the fact that the opposition is divided, they are saying that for cheap political mileage. They, of course, are not honest with the whole truth and ramifications of the statement. The oppositions are divided, they will never come together, or any such like prediction does not refute that the PFDJ will fall. It will fall as of it self and necessity. It will not wait the unity of the opposition to fall. In other words, the division within the opposition is not a cure to prevent the fall of the PFDJ.

    One thing you need to be sure about is however, when the times comes for the PFDJ to fall, it will happen in Eritrea. There will also be alot of guns and gunshots. Plenty of it. It will not be online forums and paltalk rooms. When Col. wed Ali tried that he took a tank up to the enda zena and when he fell, he was shot dead, IA’s stooge in Oakland called it “TeKariju”. So that would hopefully give you a context to what I will relate in the next paragraph.

    When Said Barre was evicted from power, a coalition of militia tried to set up a transitional government. However, the sheer force of mutual animosity, mistrust and intolerance did not allow them to to hold the transitional momentum together. Things escalated out of control and the whole country is set alight. The fire still smoldering and eating up the country as we speak 27 years on.

    The division among the Somali opposition was there way before Said Barre’s fall, but that did not prevent their combined push and other factors from collapsing the his regime. Eritrean opposition division is not so much the determining factor for the fall of PFDJ, it will fall. Rather, it would determine the chances of stability after that.

    So, as much as I very much agree with your pointing to the right direction, I would also like to include this reality check into the overall calculation. PFDJ’s supporters have taken a factional position in this just as many in the opposition. But who will be tasked to determine the path forward, if we are not ready to rationally forgive and reconcile with pure conscience at this time. There are those with evil thoughts and desires, but we can only work around those that are willing to do so. Evil has been part of our creation since the beginning of time, we need not defeat it but transcend it where possible.

    • abdulworld

      Hello HTG,
      I agree what you are saying… but my focus is less on PDJF and about this conference. How do you turn the conference into something big impact and meaningful?
      I think a lot of organizers and participate are stuck in a certain way of doing things. It is not their fault. Eritrean community in diaspora is insular and leadership for many years as been with Gedhli generation.
      That has to change and we have to bring new ways of doing things… we have learn from outside world pick up the best tools for us- and not just copy it.
      Organizers can bring outside consultant whose primary job is understand social movement and how to make them resilient from their vast experience… this is not usual it is norm in the Western world we live in…
      Google organizations like
      “roadmap consulting”, “Social Transformation Project”, “social change agency”….
      I think the Post-Gedhli generation understand the power of these tools or organizations like above to harness movements.

      These kind of approach can also make the organization more resilient to any PDJF impact…

      We are part of the world and we can use the best tools and methods to establish organizations that resilient and able to bring the changes we want to impact in diaspora first and then at home.

      Social Movement is its own field and it can be studied… to bring about positive social change… we can also pass these tools to future generation.

      In terms of deal with past injustice- we can model things after South Africa, Rwanda, etc… after we have peace.

      • haileTG

        Hey Abdu,
        You have a very refreshing idea for modern way of organizing social movements. I am really interested to learn more about this. Please give us more pointings by including what and how can this be achieved. IMO this is transformative idea that can actually make dramatic shift in how things are run. Please send in more keeping in mind many old schools might need time and plenty examples to carch up.

  • Teodros Alem

    Happy EID AL ADHA to all.

    • Blink

      Dear Teodrose
      Can you explain the purpose of this day ? I mean can the rain drop or can the sick man recover , can the killers also share your happy what ever it is ?

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam blink
        U guys r amazing , for u it is ok to talk about culture, traditions, ethnicity but u don’t know the meaning of religion? R u saying u don’t know what religion means or what?

        • Blink

          Dear Teodrose
          I know the book but I reject its importance because I am not religious politician who dream power.
          There is a breaking news from Australia that says “ Muslims in Australia celebrate the day by praying for rain from the sky “ imagine a Muslim community asking for 2 Hydrogen and one Oxygen to meet each other up in the sky and form water droplets to the ground because the day is somehow connected to their Prophet. I was laughing how dump these people are on this century saying their Middle eastern man can help bring rain to the drought stricken region of Australia.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam girmay
    u call the likes of h tg, haiat, p, a h, k h, kind of guys intellectual, that tells u r one narrow mind ignorance. And u talk about make sense and tigrai together, this two thing don’t go together and that tells u r one narrow mind idiot u r.
    If there is anything that u disagree with me let me know, other ways be stupid with ur stupid group there.

    • Blink

      Dear Teodrose
      Did you know Meles name was scrapped from jigjiga hospital and almost all his name is seen as killer in the larger Ethiopia. TPLF legacy is the banner of ethnic killings as well as looting. The grand theft of the century is designed by TPLF

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam blink
        arrest warrant issued for former intelligence minister getachew assefa:), he is on the run to sudan:(.

        • Blink

          Dear teodrose
          The payback time is on I guess. I hope bashir deport him back . The guy is responsible for the killings of Tigrians, Oromo ,Amhara ,Somalians ,sidamas , Harare and many others . The second should have been samora but samora is set free . Did you watch getachew Reda making outlandish claims about TPLF and rule of law as well as trying to explain things about ELF and EPLF .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            No i haven’t seen getachew claims, based on his poltical history, i think of him as some kind of Hippocrate.
            So u thinking payback time is on? U know what i want, on behalf of all tplf criminals, aboy sebehat and azebe mesfin to pay all the prize( the highest punishment on earth)and the rest to be let free after confiscation of stolen property.

  • Ismail AA

    Dear fellow Awatistas,

    Please accept my best wishes for this happy occasion. May we all, our suffering people and humanity at large be graced by blessing this spiritual event promises: Peace and sanctity of human dignity.

  • Paulos

    Nowinc,

    That is actually a good point. It makes sense. Thank you.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Nowinc

    I tend to agree with your positions if you would just throw away your red pen and stop acting like a grammar teacher 🙂

    By the way, you said that my *”foool” has very few consonants. That, I think, is debatable because it is not common to write foool in English and there is no arbitration for that dilemma. However, you threw that red pane and I picked it 🙂

    *You made a mistake here: (ክልተ ተዓሪፋይ). I think you amputated the “ዓ”, which has too many vowels, and which should be spelled “ዕ”, as in ታዕሪፋይ 🙂

    Cheers

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Abi,

    Please, be around.. I am enjoying your talk,,

    KS,,

  • MS

    Selam Nowinc
    Please, would you address me directly instead of lumping or tangling others to what I say. I’m responsible of what I say, I don’t speak for others and none speaks on my behalf. I have a feeling I will meet Gezae Hagos some of these days and everything will be OK. I assure you of that. Cyber rattling is ugly, as you know.
    Thank you in advance.
    PS: On your previous comment about Wedi Berhe (Temesgen), the Wedi-Berhe you heard speaking of the 1984 Commando operation at the Asmara airport, at Capitol (Asmara) was a different Wedi-Berhe (Andebrhan Berhe).

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista (especially Aman H, SGJ, Ghezae, Mahmuday, Amanuel…)

    Friends! Let’s convene on the hearing Mahmuday vs. opposition (class action) 🙂

    Seriously though, the current situation of Eritrea and its fate, the following come to mind:

    1 – For IA/PFDJ it is a now AND never situation

    2 – For all stripes of justice seekers, it is a now OR never situation

    The face saving and psychotic claims of the defeat of “woyane” mantra from PFDJ supporters is simply red herring designed to assuage the shock they were catapulted by IA’s swift reversal. With the rapprochement taking place with the regional Tigray state, arrival of Eritrean singers in Mekelle, Elsa Kidane’s recent good wish song for peace among Tigray and Eritrea, the crossing of peace deligation from Rama to nearby Eritrean villages, the planned sport activities between Tigrayan and Eritrean counterparts as well as everything happening with the rest of the fraternal people of Ethiopia…all point to the fact that IA has completely reversed on his earlier position that he drummed up to rally his followers. Peace is welcome, peace is positive. This peace can in fact bring a dividend that might have not been in IA’s calculations. So, all the woyane this or that talk is a face saving. IA/PFDJ can’t be the part for the future not because what we willed but what they willed into reality. So much trail of destruction! What this means is that they will have to do whatever to extend where they are now. The situation is so bad even IA doesn’t have a VP in line and no power transfer mechanisms exist. Change will come, but is the change what we wish or more scarier and intractable that what we imagined?

    The justice seekers, of all colors and stripes, need to regroup. The word is regroup, regroup and regroup. It is now or never. in order to achieve a successful regroup outcome, it will require to overcome the anger and mistrust we have built up all these years. Anger is a natural result of a desire frustrated, an expectation not met, a trust not upheld. But in and of itself, it is an explosive and destructive delusion. A delusion of trying to hold on to past slights and hurts, even if they have long gone, or mean nothing in the present context. Regrouping of all justice seekers is a strategic height that must come under our control. Such a force will not only hasten the change but also would positively impact the transition. There are those it may not be possible to regroup with, such as those who don’t accept Eritrea’s territorial and political independence and who have formulated associations to that end. They may complicate matters in the short run but they will wither away in due course.

    So, following the recent exchanges with Mahmuday, and many things he said or didn’t say, what are the bench mark for identifying someone for accountability? Personal views? Involvement in the crimes that are documented and held against the regime and its card holders? Ideology? In a somewhat funny way everyone can be identified as PFDJ because the official ideology of PFDJ is called what is known as Big Tent, where every Eritrean of all views and beliefs is supposedly welcome. That is true, check it out on Wikipedia:) We need to have a bench mark of tolerance. And a realistic argument when alleging culpability. The crimes are REAL but the opinions and views expressed are not. I for one, I don’t care about your problems, I care about you instead. To me you are not your problems, you are more valuable than that nor am I my problems, if you want my problems, everyone is free to have them because I don’t need them.

    We need to go beyond our disappointments and seize the opportunities, in this case to regroup, make bridges and forge alliances. Medemer the Eritrean way!

    HTG

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Haile TG,

      I think there are hardly many who with live conscience can argue against the timely (read: urgent) call you’re making. In fact, it’s not only overdue, but there had even been unsynchronized gentleman like consensuses here and there. Much has been writing as many congresses. Not so negligible convergence points were put on papers and brought to Eritrean public domain.

      But, the missing link is a rendezvous point where all or mainstream stakeholders could met and plot a common task program, and find a breakthrough to the riddle that has been bewildering the Eritreans, which is installing a trusted, competent and committed transcedent leadership fit to rally the masses rally behind itself.

      Thus, the debate should focus more on mechanisms and platforms that could help toward translation of the potent will for change to do-able program of action and capable leadership that can galvanize the dispersed categories of anti-regime opinions into coherent rainbow opposition movement. If this could be attained, the deal maker or breaker multitudes of citizens that populate the grey area between the regime loyalists and the declared opposition would narrow in favor of the opposition.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Ismail,

        There is nothing I don’t agree with in what you wrote. I think we share the same views on those points you outlined. Let me however add some overview of the terrain in order to do justice to the battle map:

        1 – Compared to the vast masses of Eritrean diaspora, well over a 1 million strong, those active in politics as supporter/opposition are a very tiny portion

        2 – This vast sea of silent majority has strong nationalistic tendency

        3 – It is mostly concerned/perturbed by what happens inside Eritrea than outside of it

        4 – It neither supports the regime nor encourages the opposition, however it judges things by their likely implication to its immediate livelyhood

        5 – It is very attentive to the day to day going on in the country through the grapevine

        So, unless the politics in the diaspora is objectively, authentically and organically linked to the dynamic realities of the home front, it isn’t easy to gain legitimacy. Especially when it is most likely that it is internal events that will ultimately drive the change to be attained.

        We need to be frank that there are no “leaders” or sufficiently representative groupings in the diaspora. Anyone assuming or fancying themselves as a leader will only delay the regrouping process. Firstly, we need to be clear that no one has more grievance than the actual victims, that we’re all opposition in whatever shape or form we come in…መራሕን ተራን ይተሓዋወስ፣ a strong popular uprising has the dynamic internal capacity to organize leadership from itself and by itself. The unreal conception that there are organizations and there are leaders needs to be demolished. Probably 990,000+ army of Eritrean diaspora has never heard of these organization and the so called leaders, but every single one of them are intimately aware of Eritrea’s woos. So we need to focus on correct narratives and optics in as far as the messages that are read and noticed by the populace. We should be encouraging all those who show movement towards justice seeking and the focus on what is happening in Eritrea than tangential and fleeting issues of external nature.

        Thanks

        • Natom Habom

          Selam Haile
          its amusing to see you so desperately jumping from one to another and praising everyone that can giveyou any hope just little hope
          like good news there is civil war in Eritrea or something happen to the president or anything just to see Eritrea in its knee,poor guy ,I feel sorry for you but its in your nature you know I cant blame you, your nature of lies and deceive is well known by our ancestors ,the jealousy about Eritrean is killing you
          let me tell you something whatever you do wherever you go you will never be the same level of Eritrean ,you will always stay behind under our shadow

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Haile TG,

          You are right on the role of the silent majority which I referred to as grey area population. Bridging the resources these contingents possess with the principal stakeholder inside the country, and the grass root of the army included, is more than essential task.

          It’s true that the organized forces already in the field have not been able to sell themselves and their programs due to severe polarization. But, the fact remains that they have sectors in the population that share their concerns, irrespective of their impact. Just a passing example, it’s will be less expedient to pass the ELF constituency just because the organization has been failing to make impact. We in the diaspora have no full awareness of what the people inside or the thousands in the refugee camps see things.

          Remember, our the focus to peace and stability beyond the demise of the dictatorship should be an end in its own right. We have badly polarized and fragile social and cultural set ups. National efforts to regroup the opposition and forge it to meaningful force of change should not lose focus on the rectifying the damages the regime has caused.

          Perhaps, thus, I should repeat the point I made to our saay7 above about the wisdom of broadening consultations. Winning groups as many groups as possible would be an asset than liability. Past failures and gains would be better appraised in their proper contexts and avoid the useless and endorse the useful. I know the contingency current events had driven home. But change should herald unity of the people in peace and stability.

          Happy Id to you and thank you for pulling the discussion to crucial homeland concern.

          • haileTG

            Happy Id to you too brother Ismail,

            This is an excellent piece, thank you! Your clarity of thought is to be envied. Many blessings for the holiday.

      • saay7

        Selamat Ismailo:

        Speaking of re-org re-org re-org (ዳግመ ድርርዕ), this is what’s afoot now for those seeking positive change in Eritrea:

        1. August 31: meet in Geneva to demonstrate
        2. September 1: electors (Specified delegates from throughout Europe, North America and Australia, from those coming to Geneva for the demo) convene to elect a Provisional (preparatory) committee in accordance with electoral laws being drafted by a task force (Eritrean lawyers and technocrats*mostly.) criteria: a. Reflect Eritrea’s diversity b. Capability. c. Willingness
        3. The provisional (preparatory) committee convenes a “Pan-Eritrean All Inclusive” conference within 3-6 months.

        All of the above is per info announced by Eritrean social media, assenna and press release of the organizing team.

        saay

        More announcements will be made in due time.

        • Ismail AA

          Hayak Allah saay,

          I am aware of, and closely following, what you have mentioned. This is a good sign. But at the same time, I am also hearing a lot of concerns being voiced, which center more on lack of broader consultations with other components and stakeholders than second guessing the initiative.

          Wishing to you and all Awatistas many happy returns of Id Al Adha.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ismail:

            Agreed, the success of any Eritrean endeavor is going to depend on its ability to embrace all stakeholders. What’s outlined so far is on how to (electoral law) and whom (capable, willing, diverse) to elect for the sole job of inviting all the stakeholders to the Pan-Eritrean conference that will enable us to create an All-Eritrean movement.

            Sure, it could succumb to all prior pitfalls we have had. But it could also learn from prior pitfalls. What I think you and agree with is that status quo is not acceptable

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay,

            Recognizing the untenability of the of the existing state of affairs in in fact long overdue. I agree we are rushing in borrowed time. The concern I am hearing is not about the efficacy or otherwise of the initiative being set in motion. It may even turn out to be qualitative in comparison to past attempts because it deploys competent expertise and targets firm legal statutes that could serve as superseding guide lines.

            The aspired “pan-Eritrean conference” needs to get sufficient care and caution to make difference and produce better result than its predecessors such as Hawasa congress of 2011. I believe the path to that end through transparent across the board consultations and wide communication with the already on the field stakeholders. This can manage the scourge that has been pervading the opposition scene: mistrust.

            Those engaged and engaging should be mindful of the centrality of fair representation of interests for project to succeed on national level. Representation, at least for me, does not necessarily mean persons already functioning leadership levels. They may or may not play role. The crucial task is how to make space for coalition of interests and ideas that the societal target groups can trust and buy. They can then rally and invest in empowering those who would constitute the contracting party to effect and end despotism and open opportunity to people to cater for their future in peace and freedom.

          • saay7

            Selamat Aya* Ismail:

            I hear you loud and clear. Any movement forward has to recognize and acknowledge all past efforts made by people of goodwill and MUST reflect the priorities of all Eritreans and not just those who are fortunate enough to be able to travel to Geneva because they live in Europe and North America. Abshrka!

            saay

            * aya because you said you have been in this fight since 1962! Amazing.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay,

            Thanks for recognizing my elderly status. By the way, have you cleared with xaxe; he might sue you for using this “aya” thing in this forum without his permission. Incidentally though, I hope you understood why I cited that date. I am just disgusted of being included in reckless categories some politically opinionated individuals category of traitors. And, most of them are newcomers as you can see from the date I mentioned.

          • saay7

            Selamat aya Ismail:

            I will use the title pending TsatSe’s review.

            For a small country, Eritrea has so many traitors. When you have a nation that accuses its founders of treason, then the word has ceased to have any meaning.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo & Saay,

            Saay: good to hear from you, to be in the organizing committee.

            Ismailo: “Fair representation of interests” does not cross in the mind of Christian highlanders. It is an uphill battle in the Eritrean politics.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman H,

            I understand your concern, and I know you are voicing it from inside the milieu. I perceive the new game within the record of failures of past experiences. I think the gentlemen and women are aware of this. The Christian highland elites or those who are engaging and enlisting themselves in the process will have to abandon that mentality in favor of broader consensus if they aspire to make a difference. Otherwise, instead of moving forward, the game is going to expire along a circular orbit, as its predecessors did, at the point where the starting point and the end point meet.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            You said: ” “Fair representation of interests” does not cross in the mind of Christian highlanders.”

            And the other groups in Eritrea do?

            How do you come to know, anyway?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            I advise you to spell Kaleab as STF has spelt it, KaleAb.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            Your response, most of the time is devoid of content.

            Try again, when your blurred vision becomes clearer.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Good question. But before I answer your Question, let us agree what “fair representation” mean in a diversified society. So my question to you is : what will entail “fair representation of interest” in the Eritrean political proper?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            Fair means no bias.

            Now, it is your turn to answer my questions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Good morning Simon,

            In politics of diversity “fair representation” means “equitable sharing”. Fair representation does not mean “not bias”. The cry of our minorities and as to why they are organized the way the are organized is for fair representation.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            I gave you a precise definition of what ‘Fair’ means.

            Unfortunately for you, politics is not a precise subject. It is based on opinion that follows the prevailing wind, usually the loudest. For example, some people in Ethiopia believe the Oromo/Galla are oppressed, but I hold the opposite view.

            Can you use numbers to give concrete meaning to your opinion based definition of ‘Fair’?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Here you goes! We will use you as reference because you don’t comment on opinion bases, and of course we will listen everything to what you have to say. Second being having the opposite view of others does not make your view sensible.

            Our aggrieved society will surely listen to your definition, because fair representation is not fair sharing? Correct Simon?

            As to whether I have to follow the loudest voices, or to follow the parochial view of your social background like you, we are at the center of our politics and let the aggrieved part of our society judge for themseves.

            Simon, you can argue against my view, but why do you go to characterize my view? That is it?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            You are moving further and further away from the original question.

            Can you give a concrete example in Eritrea to justify your assertion that ” “Fair representation of interests” does not cross in the mind of Christian highlanders”?

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            The upcoming Geneva demonstration is encouraging and a way forward, my question is, how does it get translated on the ground in Eritrea? How does it incentivize the people in Eritrea?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            1. – “Ismailo: “Fair representation of interests” does not cross in the mind of Christian highlanders.”

            Where did you get that idea? Can you backup your claim with some facts?

            2.- Ask Semere Tesfay who represent the (ethnic Tigrigna) resistance.”

            Sir: I neither represent ethnic Tigrignas nor do I speak on their behalf. I just voice my individual opinion representing myself.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amanuel,

            I am glad to know that saay is attending meetings. I don’t want to judge the intention before the efforts become fruitful. But I am worried that any formula that we try to create with good intention such as “fair representation” creates a problem before implementation takes place.

            I think in my opinion, a framework that’s free of any race, ethnicity, religion, but generic enough that represent anyone is probably the best approach. I don’t know the sources of our past misunderstanding and our failure to create a united front. I suspect it has to do, because we were trying to find the ever illusive formula.

            There is a couple of points that I would like to bring:

            1) Ethiopian experiences: I think we should learn the path Ethiopians have taken, the division by ethnicity specially and how it has toxic it has turned out to be. We should resist by all cost, any means creating something that would create a division in the long run.

            2) I believe saay has quoted Rahm Emanuel before “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste”. I think we should not let to waste the crisis the PFDJ has created. That is the PFDJ has created a system that is “an equal opportunity oppressive system” without anyone willing to defend, or any to benefit from. This is an opportunity that will allow us to create a united organization if we focus, based on opposing the PFDJ as the minimum or even maximum requirement to be part of the organizations.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe Y:

            My role in what’s being attempted is so minor the only reason it’s mentioned is only for the sake of disclosure. Because our peeps tend to get (understandably) suspicious of things being cooked without their input.

            Emma’s intentions maybe righteous but in politics, what you say is as important as how you say it and when you say it. I guarantee you that people are not hearing what Emma said, but what they fear he said and no I don’t think it was helpful. In the IC unit, people with gunshots don’t want to hear that from someone “my wound is more hurtful and it has been festering longer.” The doctor does. When we get there everybody can tell their stories and their wounds but now let’s just get together.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Haw Berhe, our marginalized “social groups”are sick and tired to be called as jihadist and ethnicist, when they are organized to address their grievances. And who called them jihadist and ethnicist? The highland Christians. The aggrieved part of our society does not want to hear fake platitudinal approach to their real grievances.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amanuel,

            The highland Christians are as fragile as any other group. Personally none of the leaders in the current government represent me or are my choice. If I had to chose my own leader, their ethnicity and their religion would be the last thing I use to consider them as suitable candidates. Who ever they are, be in the government or the opposition are self crowned and they don’t appeal to me.

            I am sure the majority of Eritreans feel the same way. Making our political decision based on the government we have who is imposed on us by force and trying to create a formula is not the best long term solution.

            If other ethnic group organize using religion, ethnicity will force the Tigrinya to organize as such and create a problem and division like Ethiopia style.

            The best thing for Eritrea is to divide these Tigrinya Ethinic group into three smaller groups and the other groups so that they will create a party composed of all in order to win (which will create interest).

            In other words, everyone should be equal from asking to address “grievances” by another.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            First, I am not talking based on the current regime. I am talking on the basis of our politico-psychology and socio-political relationship of our society. Second the current government is the product of society. It is not an alien body. It reflect certain aspect of our society,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            Your sentence saying the highlanders are not ready to accept a leader from other social group is purely speculative. Grievances will not be solved by absolutely wanting to culpabilize the christian highlanders in Eritrea. It looks like you are trying to validate your hypothesis by hammering a culpability on them. Generally and historically, in what we now call Eritrea, the christian highlanders had the political influence while the moslems and those residing in the lower lands had the economic clout. And this relationship worked and was tolerated well in the past. The present regime instead of solving the imperfection and imbalance in this old system, aggravated further the distancing between the two in trying to maintain its grip. If some use now the modern sladders like -jihadists- for their such purposes, it doesn’t percolate to the deep spirit if the large majority of christian highlanders.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            I can only say, we better know our social ills in order to tackle them. Without recognition the existence of the problem, there is no solution whatsoever. Our socio-polical problem is real, and as such dangerous.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I will just respond to this but I hope to end it. If it continues, I don’t think it will be fruitful to what’s being planned and what others are working hard to achieve.

            Dear Emma, with all due respect, this government does not represent me. I have nothing to do for it to come to power and I have nothing to do for it to stay in power. I can tell you from all my immediate family in my close circle, over 99% (I am being careful) are in the same boat as I am. I can count at least 100 people and I can find less that 5 people in my family that give IA and PFDJ the benefit of the doubt. In other words, none of use fight, let alone die to keep the PFDJ in power, that I can guarantee you. Please forget the political elite, please make a mental survey of your immediate family (yours and your wife’s) and please reach to your own conclusion, how many of those are supports of the regime? I will be surprised if the number is less than 90%.

            How can we (I, my family, yours and others) who are Christian hughlanders have anything to do with PFDJ?

            I have nothing to do with PFDJ, specially since Sep 2001. Why are you to force PFDJ on me.

            Now let me give you another example. I will be over the moon if a Muslim Eritrean becomes a leader, for example Ismael AA. I know may be because I read a lot about what he writes and thinks, but given others have a chance to know him, I am sure there is no doubt that they will chose him.

            Let’s see from Ethiopia recent example? Before Abiy, can we honestly say that, A Muslim Oromo could be a leader of Ethiopia and all or most Ethiopians support him, regardless of his ethnicity or religion?

            Why would this be impossible in Eritrea, if there is such candidate. I believe we have, a lot of them.

            Dear Emma, being a straight shooter is important and it has values. But your shooting is ayni yebley Sini yebley sometimes by generalizing, and I don’t think that’s helpful.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            What I am saying is fact on the ground. But I will agree with you, to leave it here, if there is an effort by some, to do something about it. Thank you for your engagement.

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Shortly after EPRDF took over power, the late Meles said something to the effect: “Ethiopia is a collection of ethnic or national groups and the 3000 history is a myth”. It had created lots of uproar and put him at loggerheads with the establishments.

            As many African countries, Eritrea, too, can be considered as collection of ethnic or national groups. However, there is no consensus among its stakeholders as what it means to be as ‘Ethnic’ and how many of them are in the country. Moreover, you add the issues of languages and religions, you have a perfect storm. We are stuck with 1950s states of mind, so your noble framework idea will fail before it starts until we break the cycle.

            No one to my knowledge has entertained the idea of ‘Individuals’ as citizens of a country without ethnic label. I think Tesfay, from Atlanta, has written many articles on this topic, but has not pushed enough to be considered as mainstream politics.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Aren’t those “social groups” are the building blocks of our “nation” and our “Eritrean nationality”? Before we talk about as to nature of governments, we have to talk makes us a nation and the constituents that made our nation. Without doing that any argument about government is fruitless. We have to start with the basics and then we will frame our “national politics.”

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Haile TG,

      First of all we have to define the situation between regime and opposition. Is the regime in a war against the opposition or in political discussion to bring solutions to the Eritrean people? I think the regime is in war with the people of Eritrea: It kills without mercy, imprisons in dungeons without crime, kidnaps a citizen nothing to hear about him again, etc. I think these are the works of an enemy, nothing more nothing less. The regime has declared a war against the whole people of Eritrea a long time ago. The regime has proclaimed, political war, economical war, social war, religious war that means terror in all its forms was practiced upon the people of Eritrea. The condition of those who live inside and outside Eritrea is a vivid witness that it is a war against the people of Eritrea by all measures.

      As far as most of us convene that it is a war against our people. The question that pops immediately is: how we are going to face it? I think our counter strategy and plan should be totally different from that of the regime. I think an insane person or group will join in a program of their enemy.

      Haile TG defines supporters of the regime as, “The face saving and psychotic claims of the defeat of “woyane” mantra from PFDJ supporters is simply red herring designed to assuage the shock they were catapulted into by IA’s swift reversal.”

      Do you want us Hailat TG to be like the herds, “assuage the shock they were catapulted into”? I can’t say more than “Allah Yissamhak”. Please, think greatly and don’t fall down back to the KOBORO JUNKIES and the WASH-MAN and HIS DONKEY story.

      MS is part and parcel of the regime that has declared war against the people of Eritrea; therefore, MS is directly in a war against the people of Eritrea. MS is in a mission of polishing and beautifying the regime crimes, that is all his works in a nutshell. I am sure, at the end of his mission Isaias will badge him with Jihadist. We have many examples like him who served Isaias against their own people, and he rewarded with what they deserve, Islamists, Jihadists and terrorists.

      Mr. Hailat TG, there is nothing positive upto now from the side of the regime towards the people of Eritrea. I think it is a grave mistake to join a PEACE that is not directed to the people of Eritrea. The peace we hear about concerns Isaias and Dr. Abie Ahmed. It only serves and reinforces the interests of Ethiopia. At least up-to now there is nothing in it for the people Eritrea.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Haile TG

      1. -” The face saving and psychotic claims of the defeat of “woyane” mantra from PFDJ supporters is simply red herring designed to assuage the shock they were catapulted into by IA’s swift reversal.”

      Really? The defeat of YOUR Woyane is “face saving and psychotic claims mantra from PFDJ supporters”? The defeat of YOUR Woyane is misleading or “red herring”?
      What planet do you live in? And saay7 baptised you and is still calling you ‘Haile the Great’. Wow! It must be the COI SEMG Human rights buddy buddy thing!!!

      Red carpet reception in Addis and Awassa, tens of thousands people lined up on the streets to great Isaias Afewerki, Amara regional government leaders in Asmara, Oromia regional government leaders in Asmara, probably another Isias visit to Bahir Dar….. all these and more is Red herring? No wonder they call you Haile the Great!!!

      2. – “With the rapprochement taking place with the regional Tigray state, arrival of Eritrean singers in Mekelle, Elsa Kidane’s recent good wish song for peace among Tigray and Eritrea, the crossing of peace deligation from Rama to nearby Eritrean villages, the planned sport activities between Tigrayan and Eritrean counterparts as well as everything happening with the rest of the fraternal people of Ethiopia……. This peace can in fact bring a dividend that might have not been in IA’s calculations.”

      You don’t get it do you!! Woyane is not The People of Tigray. Woyane is a small clique of Tigreans who did evil and corrupted deeds in the name of the people of Tigray. That is the difference between the people of Tigray and the evil and corrupted Woyane clique.

      Eritreans and Tigreans don’t have any animosity against each other – never had and never will. They are blood relatives, they are husbands and wives, they are nieces, nephews, cousins, uncles, aunts, close friends and family members, and neighbors…… and they will remain that way forever.

      3. – “The justice seekers, of all colors and stripes, need to regroup. The word is regroup, regroup and regroup. It is now or never.”

      It won’t happen – never ever! How on earth could you converge the politics of sub-nationalists with parallel visions and objectives into one effective force – Islamists and Jihadists who have an ambition to create an Islamic State, Nationalists who want create secular state, regionalists who want to erect walls between communities, ethnic warlords who wanted ethnic segregation from other ethnics and communities…….. ? How? Anyway good luck with that!

      4. – “what are the bench mark for identifying someone for accountability? Personal views? Involvement in the crimes that are documented and held against the regime and its card holders?”

      Is working for the Woyanes or advancing Woyane agendas a crime? Is riding invading Ethiopian tanks to get to the helm a crime? Is killing Eritrean civilians and Warsay/YicaAlos by planting landmines a crime? Is conspiring and sanctioning your people – with the intent to hurt the Eritrean economy and, to deny Eritrea the right to defend itself a crime? Is calling/inviting a foreign power (Woyane/Ethiopia) to invade Eritrea a crime? Simply……

      If the opposition was working to advance the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans, the Eritrean people would’ve rallied behind them. But the Eritrean people are allergic to the Woyane inspired ethnic Killil politics governing style. And that is what the Eritrean opposition has to offer – nothing else.

      And that’s why the Eritrean opposition has zero, nil, nada, zilch support from the Eritrean people. And that’s why political prostitution and the politics of vengeance has become the modus operandi of the Eritrean opposition.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Semere Tesfai,

        Little by little an egg walks on its feet, say Amhara. You are a big phony Eritrean ( ቅዳሕ):: Now tell me Mr. Semere, from which part of Ethiopia you are. I heard once in the regime TV Berekhet Mingistab, the artist, says that he is from WOLO.

        Don’t forget Mr. Semere. You were in a run the whole of your life from three million Eritrean Muslims, but now you are joining more than fifty million Muslims in Ethiopia. I hope you will not call them later Islamists, Jihadists and terrorists as you are accustomed to do in Eritrea. The giant that was dormant for more than a century is now active, and their pioneers are almost in the foreground now. Contemporary Ethiopian is different from that you know a few decades ago.

        Isaias and his cohorts to be in focus of the Ethiopian people is good for the Eritrean people, and at the end of the day will have a positive result for the rest of the Eritreans. I am sure, Isaias and his fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት) are extremists who can’t live with about 80 different ethnic groups. They have failed to live with less than ten ethnic groups. I wonder how they will manage to live with tens of ethnic groups. Definitely, A hard time is awaiting them ahead.

        • Ismail AA

          Hayak Allah Ustaz Al-Arabi,

          Kulu Id inta wa men tahib bikulu kheir.

          The regime and surrogates suffer from seizure called arrogance and contempt for others. Their mindset is immune to logic and realities. The capo and his followers are inflected by the conviction that might is right, and they think they have been selected to be mighty no matter what other factors might be. They see what you have mentioned in regard to Ethiopia from that static outlook.

          Anyway, let us hope the millions you have alluded to in Ethiopia or elsewhere become forces of peace and harmony in the shadow of one country and common destiny where goodness and value of humans and dignity would count supreme under the teachings of their faiths and temporal laws.

      • haileTG

        Semeretay…what hateta newihu…

        1- blame saay for HTG … Some people have a way of making a nickname that attaches to you like glue…saay is one of them. Watch out. Weyane are not defeated or anything. They are all in their country but not me and you. Zinjero be’ToTa yisqal:)

        2- So TPLF is not Tigrayan says Semere. So, what or who are they? Amhara, Oromo…at least TPLF are closer to the Tigrayan than your ayn’awta higbgib:) don’t make a fool of yourself or my letter to PMAA stands…

        3- Who can tell the future but a fool…STF might become your nick for Semere The Fool.

        4- any crime documented and admissible is a crime. CoI is one such UN backed document, I will have that for now. If you know other crimes, then measure up and get it documented like that.

        Semeretay, IA is a done deal. That’s why he stopped talking to you like a nightmarish girl friend 🙂

        I like your hikiya better…

        • Paulos

          Haile TG,

          STF it is. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

          • haileTG

            Haha Paulos…n’gberelu’do…😃

          • Paulos

            HaileTG,

            That is wicked as the Brits say it. I am still laughing. ኣይተኻኣልካን!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            The call of the day: “ጽናዕ አይትመናዕ” in the era of “confusion and ambivalence.”

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I absolutely agree.

            Shifting….I recommend, you have to absolutely listen to an audio speech made by Fetlewerq Gebreezgiabiger, a vice chair of TPLF and Politburo member of EPRDF on the 6th year commemoration of PM Meles. It is a clear message to Abiy and the rest as the nation enters into a new and uncertain era. It is a powerful speech to say the least. It is on Aiga.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Oh yes! Last night, when I came home from work, I found my wife and my sister-in-law were watching to the speeches at his commemoration. So I did join them and listened to all the speeches made at his commemoration last night. They highlighted all the living “quotable speeches” of him. More so, I liked the speech from one of their young generation, who gave on the “philosophy of governance”in relation to their “Federal governments” and the transfer of powers from “generation to generation”. He is a well versed individual in those topics. I enjoyed it. Their young generation are well equipped to take over the power from the old generation. Doctore, it is easy to notice the stark difference in the “political culture” between us and them.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Yes I did listen to the speech of the young lecturer. He basically walked the audience through the Ethiopian history including as you put it, it’s grander impact on the Gedli and the new generation as well. I thought the new “ኣዮኹም ናይና” moniker if you will to describe the new generation was ingenious.

            From a strategic point of view, it was a brilliant idea to bring across Meles’ not only legacy but revolutionary ideas when everyone seems to have lost in the mix so that people can reflect back if what they have for dinner is poison in the meal or a real meal.

            As it happened, EPRDF executive committee meeting kicked of today in Addis and it is only to be seen if they will come out strong or parting ways. I would say, most likely the latter where what Fetlewerq had said in her speech was a prelude to that effect. She said that, TPLF is for reform but a reform anchored on Revolutionary Democracy where in a sharp contrast, Abiy and the rest are for Liberal Democracy. And it is the very first time that, the party is facing ideological stark differences.

            Certainly, the question is, what gives next. TPLF will come out owning EPRDF and Abiy and Demeqe will forge a political party not based on ideological commonality but to weaken TPLF to the extent of creating alignment with other elements in Tigrai as in Aregawi and G’day. And TPLF, in the meantime will try to broaden its base with like minds with in Oromia, Debub, Afar and Somali Kilils. With in this rather critical period, Isaias will throw all the resources at his disposal to destabilize the nation for he strives not only in crises but gains his objectives as well.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            I have something to share but please make sure Hayat is not anywhere where she can read it.

            The advisory committee reviewing Ethiopia’s privatization campaign is made up of lib-dem economist. (21 economists that are made up of men because Ethiopia has no women economists apparently) It included the Africa Director for IMF and excludes Sufian Ahmed and Mekonen Manyaze who were either pushed or jumped.

            I don’t want to pretend I know the people listed (ask Kaddis, Eyob and Amde) but my guess is Ethiopia as a developmental state is RIP. And now Ethiopia follows the path of 0.00% of Africans who developed using the IMF model.

            Also, did you see “bxay Isaias” showing a PowerPoint presentation to fellow indicted criminal Salva Kiir on the pipelines to be built from South Africa to Eritrea? It’s like the country has no ministers 🙂

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay, Paulos

            TPLF/EPRDF was not dethroned for its economic performance but for its lock on the economic benefits accruing from growth.

            It’s a pity – they should have found a way to decouple the arguments for a developmental state from the ethnic politics craziness. They can theoretically still go that route – basically split along EPRDP-Developmental vs EPRDP-Liberal. But methinks TPLF loves their selfconception as a nationalist party more than they care about their economic policies.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Sir Amde:

            …. and, for being Tigrayans. Amirite? Come on, wink twice if true.

            I DO think the TPLF conceives itself as a “pro-poor” party more than it describes itself as a “nationalist” party. It is willing to dump the latter (Article 39) but not the former, which is like an article of faith.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            tplf pro-poor? tplf is/was nothing but ethnic party, who eat and brith ethnicity. What kind of pro poor party will let 25% of his own people live under safety net programs after 27 years of ruling? Do u know tigrai is one of the highest number(ratio) of migration out of ethiopia by crossing the borde?

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Strange .. I think of TPLF as being diametrically opposite. They would rather dump being “pro-poor” identity for maintaining the “nationalist” one. And the colossal corruption it allowed/encouraged is proof its pro-poor stance is of secondary or even tertiary consideration. All the song and dance about “respect the constitution” is about its nationalist cred. We know it is not the constitutional provisions on personal rights – which they very happily trashed – but about the federalism – i.e. the “nationalist” ones – that they are complaining about.

            “…for being Tigrayan…” I don’t know if that is the case. It is more of because they were an exclusivist controlling elite for far too long. I don’t think it would have mattered if they were Gurages or Somalis.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Sir Amde:

            Meet me at Camera 2….. 1994-5

            Hi! Never mind my floral pattern wide ties and shoulder pads.

            Ok, now: are you saying part of the instintive negativity to TPLF was not because they were Tigrayans?

            I will take my answer off the air.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Don’t know why you are pushing that angle with that useless but useful word “part”. The answer is for most people that is immaterial. ዝነገሰ ንገስና እዩ ነገሩ። For some people it would be the only factor.

            But when it’s time to go it’s time to go. Things started really
            unravelling after the 2015 meto be meto elections, the Addis Master Plan, Welqayit issue coming to the boil. These are all specific policy decisions unrelated to whether TPLF are Tigrayans or Martians.

            What happened 94 – 95?

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selamat Sir Amde:

            I am stating the very obvious fact that Ethiopia is in Africa and in Africa political pluralism translates to ethnic loyalties.* This is the case whether it is explicitly stated or implicitly stated. The difference is that the dominant ethnic group equates its values with national values and its negation as negation of nationalism.

            This eventually changes once the nation develops a Middle Class and then well the only thing people are more loyal to is their money and goodbye ethnno politics. But not until someone says it’s distribution is unfair and rallies them on the basis of their ethnicity. Even superpowers are apparently not spared from this.

            Point being: the TPLF could have run a flawless government and it would never have had the acceptance of the majority of Eritrea. It’s only the arrogance from power that convinced it that it would rule forever and a day.

            * not applicable to cosmopolitan pockets. See also: shock of Asmarinos when they joined the field. See also: shock of Asmarinos when they were grouped by ethnicity in Ethiopian refugee camps.

            saay

          • Selam Amde,

            The “tplf constitution” is the last umbilical cord that joins it to power. Amend the constitution, especially the clauses that divide ethiopians, and that will be the end. Almost all ethiopians now understand that ethnic federalism is tplf’s time bomb to fragment ethiopia, and then rule the weak entities under its control.

            Up to now, PMAA has managed to disentangle the military and the security from tplf control, the bureaucracy remains, and gradually the tplf state of division and conflicts will gradually disappear. Democracy, the rule of law, equality and prosperity for all, irrespective of ethnic affiliation should be the basis under which the new ethiopia will function.

            After three decades of ethnic politics and ethnic federalism, during which pan-ethiopianist nationalism was undermined and demonized and ethnic nationalism became the mark of pride of every ethiopian, it terrifies me when some newcomers demand right away for ideology and policy based political parties, without giving time for the gradual withering away of ethnic politics, because ethiopians understand that its drawbacks are much greater than its merits. Ethiopians are addicted to ethnic politics and they cannot get over it from one day to the other. The coming years must be the time when ethnic feeling is less stressed and its drawbacks underscored, pan-ethiopian unity bolstered and medemer (togetherness) is practiced.

            What do you make of Jawar who more less says, “give us democracy and equality, and we can be proud oromos and proud ethiopians”. At the same time he says that there are two governments in ethiopia, the government of PMAA and the government of the “queero” which he presides. Can you trust such person, with the history of ethnic and islamist extremism? What i see is a power hungry ambitious person who wants to ride on the back of the queero, but i am not sure which direction he will travel, to arat killo or an independent islamic state of oromia.

            On the other side, there are those who want PMAA to rule with executive power and responsibility for five years, until the dust settles and they have the time to organize themselves.

            These are difficult times, times when the enemies of ethiopia (internal and external) will be very active, and it takes the hard work of defending and carrying out to fruition, of the change that has come to the country, where individual rights, a common destination and prosperity for all should be the new motto, and ethnic superiority, wherever it may come from, has no place in the new ethiopia whatsoever. Ethnic superiority is feudal by its nature, in my opinion.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            ናይ ሓያትስ ከም ዝኾነ ምኾነ፤ but you just ruined Tzigereda’s day. I just want you to know that.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            I was going to say “could you say that again?” to indicate I don’t understand how this affects Tzigereda, but you will hear it as ይደገም and just say it again without explaining.

            Como?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            Oh boy! You just made it worst by not recognizing how “21 economists that are made up of men because Ethiopia has no women economists…” will make Tzigereda feel. ene yelehubetm!

          • saay7

            Selamat Fantiness:

            Well, that was written for the benefit of Eyobai. He was supposed to correct me and show that of the 21 economists, two were women. He would have thought that was a defense but he chose not to play. And now you ruined it. Thanks, Fanti.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,
            Excuse me, sir.
            I did not correct you, because you did not make a mistake.
            You are right. There are no women ECONOMISTS in the advisory council. There are 2 women in the list, yet both are not economists. Me’aza Birru, a broadcaster extremely famous and immensely talented, but not an economist. Sara Aberra, a fashion designer, had her own clothing line…not a trained economist. Don’t worry, I will correct you, when you make a mistake, which is all the time. You just got lucky this time.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Selamat Eyob:

            First: 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
            Second: of the remaining folk on the list, are there any developmental statists or are they all IMF disciples ready to make Ethiopia country #100* on the list of countries ruined by IMF?

            saay

            * completely made up number.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            What would be the purpose of building pipline from Eritrea to S. Africa? Do you mean S. Sudan?

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selam Berhe:

            Yeah, I mean South Sudan. It’s so surreal: IA is showing Salva Kiir a presentation of what a pipeline connecting Eritrea and South Sudan would look like and you can’t hear the presentation, all you hear is the same “selam, selam, selam” song they were playing when Abiy visited IA in his “modest vila.”

            Surreal because AU’s Commission of Inquiry on South Sudan and UN’s Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea found both these guys of presiding over organizations that committed crimes against humanity.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            If you watched WW2 movies, you could have seen sewage pipes through which people used to escape to safety from Germany and other countries. The pipelines Isaias envisions is 4 or 5 feet in diameter. Have you thought how convenient travel will be compared to trekking through the deserts and being shot at? Be optimistic Berhe!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear SJ,

            I was thinking he is planning to use it as an escape route when the people finally say enough.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You’re killing me!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paolos,
            Until I explain it more on other occasion, let me just introduce you to an old Arabic saying:
            Sherri ‘l beliyyeti ma yudhHik. (The worst of calamities are the type that makes you laugh)

          • abdulworld

            Hello Saay,
            “Ethiopia as a developmental state is RIP” I think you might be jumping the gun.
            First I don’t have a lot data on the privatization crew… I like to believe that Ethiopian are shrewd enough to find balance. The reason I say this because their strategy with EthioTelecom was very insightful.
            Here is reality of telecom industry in African countries majority of it was owned by European, Indian, Middle-eastern companies… what is wrong this?
            Every time an African picks up mobile phone to make a call… that money goes to foreign carrier.. the foreign carrier takes that money exchanges it and ship London, Mumbai, where ever…
            One of reason Ethiopian leadership didn’t privatization was because the traveled to several African countries to study the telecom situation in those countries… based on observations… they decided against following the African examples..

            I have hard time believing that Ethiopian are going discard all these observations and positive results they have gotten… Ethiotelcom generates a lot money for other government projects… Ethiopian economist know neo-liberal is failure everywhere…

            Relative to other folks in Horn- Ethiopian are good diplomats and know how to play the international game… I think they are just doing the East/West dance but at the core they will not significantly change a strategy or an approach that has been working for them…
            We Eritrean accustomed to our college-drop out semi-literate IA who changes his view and philosophy erratically… are projecting our Eritrean outlook to Ethiopian landscape.
            Ethiopia is not going to switch it approach over night like Eritrea.

            As much as there are commonalities between the two countries- they are world apart- in Ethiopia what you are seeing the coming of Technocracy…
            Eritrea governance dictatorship with no civic norm.

          • saay7

            Selam Abdulworld:

            First I wish you would stop referring to IA as a college dropout. Of all the vices the man carries, that’s the least relevant. There is nothing more noble that giving up something self-enriching for the common good. Lot of our tegadelti did that; and many more college drop outs now employ college grads (Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, among many.)

            On Ethiopia, we are always either demonizing them or glorifying them. If a country is cash starved (2 months worth of cash reserve for imports) and is courted aggressively by IMF, history of the 2nd and 3rd world suggests that it’s likely to succumb to its austerity plan. So none of its major foreign policy sophistication (largely due to the West’s view of it as indispensable) will save it.

            In any event, this is why I asked for background info and leanings of the 21 economists who form the advisory committee put together by PM Abiy. Hopefully, Eyob, Kaddis, Fanti, Amde will fill us in.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            There are at least 8 that I counted, who you can call “developmental statists”

            Abraham Tekeste (A long time Minister of Economic Co-operation. TPLF)

            Tsegaye Berhe (Former governor of Tigray, security expert worked as Hailemariam Desalegn security advisor for a long time (I have idea why he’s still there) TPLF

            Yinager Dessie (Current Governor of Ethiopian National Bank ANDM)

            Teklewold Atnafu Former governor of Ethiopian National Bank (for a long time) SEPDM

            Girma Birru Former Ambassador of Ethiopia to US OPDO
            Add few left leaning politicians

            Beyene Petros (Medrek)
            Lencho Bati ODF (splinter of OLF)
            Bekele Gerba (OFC/Medrek)

            To balance these “commies” there are serious neo-liberal types.

            Abebe Aemero-Selassie (Current Chief of IMF for Africa)
            Kassi Kebede ( Hedge Fund manager at New York stock exchange and ex-husband of Model Liya Kebede)
            Eyesuswork Zafu, former chair of Ethiopian chamber of commerce, former COO of the defunct American Bank First Union (then became Wachovia, then became Wells Fargo)

            Add to that few politicos, who advocate a total free market solution like Lidetu Ayalew,Girma Seifu (former MPs of EDP and Andinet respectively.

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Thanks Eyob. Remember reports on Somali politicos pre-UIC? They would write a politician’s name and parenthetically put the name of the clan he belongs to. This is the same except your clans have acronyms. Why would an economists political party affiliation be more important than say their college creds?

            So IMF Africa is the chair of the advisory committee? 😉

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I did that to show the diversity and inclusivity of the council..Economists also have economic theory based on their political leanings, right? In this council, there are all sort of economists ranging from very very liberal (Eyeayswork Zafu) to neo-liberal (Abebe AemroSelassie) to Lefties like Abrham Tekeste…However, if you notice, the once who have political party attached with their name, all are primarily politicians.

          • Desbele

            Hi Saay,
            DIA , I believe is dismissed from AAU. A huge difference from drop out.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            On the IMF thing, I think it’s worrying if Ethiopia (PMAA) will take that road. Correct me if I am wrong, but countries take that path usually because when they are in trouble and have no real alternative path to get out. In other words, when they are broke and they can’t service their debt.

            What I am trying to ask is, is this really an lib-dem economist thing or a necessary evil to get out of death.

            I agree, nothing good comes out of IMF path, at least for the developing countries. They will tell them privatize the lucritive / money making industry (such as banking, Telecom, Airlines) to service the debt and eventually they take control of the economy and the countries get into problems they don’t know how to get out (no real economic development that allows them to be productive to pay the debt).

            So what choice do really government have in this situation?

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            Until Eyobai comes and contradicts everything I say (that guy!), Ethiopia has ALWAYS been an obedient IMF student:) IMF measures external debt in a number of ways: debt-to-GDP, debt-to-government revenue, debt-to-exports. While Ethiopia has always been doing well with the first two measures (thanks to double-digit GDP growth), its debt-to-exports now exceeds IMF’s threshhold for danger zone. (when debt is 250% of exports.) So, this is when it comes in for “consultations” on how to get that below the threshold. In the past, post-Derg Ethiopia always had economically-literate Prime Ministers who are able to push back against the IMF “restructuring” recommendations. There is no evidence which shows PM Abiye is financially-literate (sorry, fans) which is why I was asking who his economic team is (now that Sufian is gone.) Eyob gave me a bunch of names for the privatization advisory team but I don’t think he has told us yet who the economist is.

            The warning signs are:(1) For the second consecutive year, Ethiopia’s debt-to-export is above 250% (at 271.9 percent for 2017-18) and (2) its cash reserve is only adequate for 2 months worth of imports; (3) it has missed loan repayment with China, the only low-interest-rate country available for sub-saharan Africa. Because it is ‘too big to fail’, there will be alternatives but they require dependency: on UAE/Saudi (to get payment-deferred fuel) and on IMF (to come up with creative ways to minimize the debt-to-export numbers by, for example, including remittances as exports and please don’t ask me how remittances are export but Eyob will spin you, don’t worry:) and to recommend austerity plans and new exchange rates.

            And what is the one major export Ethiopia is counting on and has already signed deals with Kenya and Uganda on? Energy. And how is that going? Ask Hayat. No, please, dear God, don’t ask Hayat 🙂 🙂 🙂

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            You are something else. They should retain you as economic advisor.

            Have you considered writing for publication that are widely read / distributed about stuff in our region that you know a lot of.

            I know AT is nice and all, but but sure it gets to those that matter to make difference.

            Thinking like the economist, New York Times etc.

            Just a thought.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Haha Berhe!

            You flatter me, but no. I use too many adjectives for the New York Times and I am too verbose for The Economist. Speaking of the Economist, the “come-and-see” dudes at PFDJ invited The Economist (thinking it was going to write, “oh what a charming, bike-crazed, Palm-tree-lined city…” ala Mary Harper) but The Economist wrote articles with these headings:

            1. Eritrea, Africa’s most repressive state, begins to open up –

            2. Why Eritrea is called Africa’s North Korea –

            3. How to make Eritrea, Africa’s North Korea, less horrible –

            This was followed by the predictable outcry from Isaiasists who were really looking for “modest villa” and “plastic sandals” story.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            I read the first article, I didn’t see the rest. I was thinking the same thing, but hopefully they start to say, who cares and take it for what it is.

            You already know the grammar changes you need to make, to fit your articles for their editors. Seriesly though, you don’t think you are not capable of their standard. I would give you a video of Steve Jobs, but I am sure you have seen you have seen it and it would be an insult.

            I am not trying to flatter you but I mean it. If we don’t take our faith in our own hands, how do we expect others with little knowledge can speak on our behalf.

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            Is there any family connections through anyone to the leadership of weyane ? You said “Oh yes! Last night, when I came home from work, I found my wife and my sister-in-law watching to the speeches at his commemoration. So I did join them and listened to all the speeches made at his commemoration last night. They highlighted all the living “quotable speeches” of Meles. Meles’s vision is in the mind of the young Tigrian generation.” And plus with years of defending weyane while you attack the Tigrinya in Eritrea , I can sense you are towed in some kind of form and I think you are right to defend weyane. You never raised a single objection to the killings done by weyane . Surprise surprise.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Blink,

            I read Trump tweets, listen to CNN, but I am not an American. Wake up, if there is any life in you. We are in the era of globalization, where humanity have turned to be residents of one village or you can say an apartment. It is no wonder to get you there rotting in the dark ages. Greediness will guide you to extinct, survival is only for those who can integrate and co-exist with others.

            Really, phonies (ቅዳሓት) ask silly questions.

          • Blink

            Dear Hameed
            How was your holiday? I heard Ibrahim tried hard to sacrifice his son but miracles happen when there is one around who come with nice sheep to be replacement for his son , what a joke ? Oh ok ok . What did you kill ? Did you share ? I mean what could the Islamists share with their neighbors if they have one ? I read Australia Muslims prayed to get rain but there was nothing to come .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Blink,

            You know even I didn’t afford to sacrifice a chicken. My day was doomed to pass it by SHIRO.

            There is an Arabic vese which reads as: Lions starve in jungles, while dogs enjoy the meat of sheep.

          • Blink

            Dear Hameed
            You see the difference between the two . Choosers has the obligation to know what’s best while receivers have none .

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam haile tg
          We all know tplf still not defeated in tigrai, but they r defeated everywhere in ethiopia(except walkyet and raya), Thier last hold abdi eli is now out of the game. They can’t even hold meles’s 6 year death anniversary out side of tigrai.

          • haileTG

            Selam Teodros,

            With all respect, this loss of political influence will work out in their longterm interest and Ethiopia’s hopeful transition. But Semere thinks Ethiopians will conspire with outsiders like him to betray their fellow Ethiopian. He is a fool feeling more Ethiopian than Ethiopians. Eritrea is too small for him. Sadly, he underestimates Ethiopian nationalism when it comes to external interference. Please don’t mind him he is harmless. That’s why we call him STF ….

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam haile tg
            Pls pls just ask any none tigrai ethiopians who they trust between PIA and tplf? Am sure over 95% will tell u PIA the outsider. We all do respect, i think u need to know the current reality, living on previous ethiolian mindset is not gonna help any more.

          • haileTG

            Selam Teodros,

            I understand feelings are high but there is nothing better than to win your brother. And bury the hatchet with him and bring peace to your house. An outsider can only exploit your division for his own profiteering. Again no one should be more Ethiopian than Ethiopian. If what you say is correct, I will respect that.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam haile tg
            I don’t know about u but where i grow up we have a thing called shame, i mean who u think is my brother, the one that tell me we r one people two different countries or who tried to wipe out ethiopia from the face of the earth?
            A tplf admirer talking about division, where i grow up we call it shameless.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Semere T,

        I understand once in deployed in a category it’s hell difficult to leave it. But, the reason I am writing this lines is to voice out my surprise that I thought you were bigger than what the lines you have penned depict you. I read much what you had written in this space and understood them as staunch, but considered, opinions of an objective intellectual which deserved respect.

        But, I caught you here contradicting yourself. If you believed you opposed the opposition (without making distinction of course) for servitude to Woyanes, and now that the regime and its surrogates are celebrating its defeat and demise with orgy and euphoria, how come you are still stuck in your past attitudes, and not swayed by what our good brother, Haile TG, has suggested?

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Semere T.,

        You spoke the plain truth [which is a taboo subject] when you said:

        “It won’t happen – never ever! How on earth could you converge the politics of sub-nationalists with parallel visions and objectives into one effective force – Islamists and Jihadists who have an ambition to create an Islamic State, Nationalists who want create secular state, regionalists who want to erect walls between communities, ethnic warlords who want ethnic segregation between ethnics and communities to be the new way of life in future Eritrea…….. ? How? Anyway….good luck with that!”

        You also said:

        “Woyane is a small clique of Tigreans who did evil and corrupted deeds in the name of the people of Tigray.”

        First, the accusation of “a small clique” can also be levelled at the EPLF/PFDJ.

        Seond, we know that after the war of 1998-2000, the TPLF unnecessarily tried to strangle Eritrea. But are you trying to exonerate the EPLF/PFDJ from any wrong doing or role in the entire fiasco?

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Simon KaleAb

          Exonerate
          Verb
          (a). – (especially of an official body) absolve (someone) from blame for a fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the case.
          “the court-martial exonerated me”
          synonyms: absolve, clear, acquit, find innocent, discharge; formalexculpate; “the inquiry exonerated them”

          (b). – release someone from (a duty or obligation).
          synonyms: release, discharge, free, liberate; More

          1. – “But are you trying to exonerate the EPLF/PFDJ from any wrong doing or role in the entire fiasco?”

          Simon: I beg to differ with the “exonerate” wording you used – as it prematurely prejudges EPLF/PFDJ leaders – as having committed crimes proven in a court of law – before they had their day in the court of law. I beg to differ with your “exonerate” wording as it implies you’ve already made-up your mind – meaning all you want is going to a fishing expedition and court-theatrics to prove what you’ve concluded all along. And that is wrong.

          2. – We can accomplish a whole lot more, with a whole lot less suffering and bloodshed if we avoid criminalizing each other. Case in point: many Americans believe, Hillary Clinton was a corrupted criminal politician, but the majority of the same people who believed Hillary Clinton was a corrupted criminal politician, never approved the “lock her up” motto ether – because they believed it would do more harm than good to their nation and their political institutions. And that is a good lesson to learn from.

          The Derg came to power criminalizing the Haileselassie era Ethiopian leaders, Woyane came to power criminalizing the Derg era Ethiopian leaders, now would it be right the Abiy people to govern Ethiopia criminalizing the Woyanes? Absolutely not!

          3. – I don’t like what the Woyanes did to Eritrean and Ethiopian people, but I never said they should be locked behind bars. I criticize the Eritrean opposition every single day, but never said they are criminals who belong behind bars.

          4. – We Eritreans have criminalized our political differences and killed each other for three quarter of a century (from 1940s until now).

          How about from now on, celebrating our political differences and moving forward for a change.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere,

            Let me try again, in the hope you will give short, precise and clear answers.

            1) The accusation of “a small clique” can also be levelled against the EPLF/PFDJ as well. What do you think?

            2) The war of 1998-2000 between Eritrea and Ethiopia and the resulting 18 year diplomatic spat was not only an unnecessary bravado but also made both countries a laughing stock [two bald silly billy men fighting over a comb?]

            Who was at fault for the entire fiasco, a) the TPLF/Woyane, b) the EPLF/PFDJ, C) both the EPLF/PFDJ and the TPLF, d) some other actor?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simom KaleAb

            1. – “The accusation of “a small clique” can also be levelled against the EPLF/PFDJ as well. What do you think?”

            I said this before many times to many people here at Awate and let me say it again. People don’t govern, people don’t make laws, people don’t exonerate criminals, people don’t punish criminals……… a small political and technocrat elite of a society (nation) organized as a political parties, make laws and implement written laws to govern their nation. To make a long story short: yes the EPLF/PFDJ leaders are a small clique of Eritrean elite – which could be seen positively or negatively by the wider public – depending on your political prism.

            2. – ” The war of 1998-2000 between Eritrea and Ethiopia and the resulting in an 18 year diplomatic spat was not only an unnecessary bravado but also made both countries a laughing stock.
            Who was at fault for the entire fiasco, a) the TPLF/Woyane, b) the EPLF/PFDJ, C) both the EPLF/PFDJ and the TPLF, d) some other actor?”

            I’m an Eritrean, I can only tell you the Eritrean side of the story.

            (a) Before 1978 the majority residents of the Badme/Yirga Triangle region, on both sides of the Ethio-Eritrean border were Eritreans majority – with tens of thousands of farmers from Western Hamassien, Western Seraye, and Southern Akeleguzay. And the names of the places and towns/villages were Eritrean names that had reference of Eritrean names of villages in Eritrea.

            (b) From 1978 -1998 (for two decades) the Woyanes, with the intent to change the ethnic demography, were consistently harassing, evicting, intimidating, arresting, killing, confiscating farms and properties of Eritrean farmers.

            (c) For two decades (1978-1998) the Woyanes were consistently encroaching deeper into sovereign Eritrean territories, resettling Tigreans in place of Eritreans, and changing the names of places and towns with Tigrean names.

            AND THESE ARE FACTS NO ERITREAN WILL DENY

            (d) Today, forget about Eritrean majority on both sides of the Badme/yirga triangle Ethio-Eritrean border region, I very much doubt if there are any Eritrean farmers left in the area.

            Now ask yourself: What is the point of having a government, if a government can’t protect its territory, and the safety and property of its citizens? The point: the Woyanes were provoking the Eritrean people and the Eritrean Ghedli/government for twenty long years. Somehow someway it had to end. And it ended the way it did – and May 06, 1998 was a trigger for the war – not the cause of war.

            As an Eritrean, the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was a success story – thanks to the gallant Eritrean defence forces and thanks to the gallant Eritrean people who stood by their children.

            (a) They (the Eritrean people, Eritrean defense forces, and the Eritrean government) forced the Woyanes dominated Addis regime to sit and talk border issues seriously (after twenty years)
            (b) They forced the Woyane dominated regime in Addis to accept border delineation and border demarcation based on the colonial treaties of 1900, 1902, and 1908
            (c) They forced the Woyane dominated Addis regime to go to court and accept the court ruling as final and binding with no ifs and no buts.

            Today, because of the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean border war, our borders are crystal clear to us Eritreans, to Ethiopians, and to the whole wide world.

            That is the Eritrean side of the story no one could dare deny

            Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            At first, you stated the plain truth when you hit at the Central Problem of the so called Eritrean Opposition by saying:

            “It won’t happen – never ever! How on earth could you converge the politics of sub-nationalists with parallel visions and objectives into one effective force – Islamists and Jihadists who have an ambition to create an Islamic State, Nationalists who want create secular state, regionalists who want to erect walls between communities, ethnic warlords who want ethnic segregation between ethnics and communities to be the new way of life in future Eritrea…….. ? How? Anyway….good luck with that!”

            But later on, you went off the rails. Your arguments were verbose, based mainly on logical fallacies of the type ‘Tu Quoque’ and ‘Straw Man’,

            According to you, every country is ruled by cliques, the USA Vs Saudi Arabia, Sweden Vs North Korea and China, Switzerland Vs Eritrea and Cuba.

            You also say something to the effect “My country right or wrong”, rather than giving a critical appraisal. This is a bad omen.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simon KaleAb

            “According to you, every country is ruled by cliques, the USA Vs Saudi Arabia, Sweden Vs North Korea and China, Switzerland Vs Eritrea and Cuba.”

            Yes that’s the way nations are governed. Yes nations are run by political parties that are run by political-party bosses. Yes nations are run by political and technocrat elite organized as a political parties. And yes, if you want to stigmatize them you can call them clique.

            Now tell me how governments are run to prove me wrong.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            A clique usually revolves around a cult figure, a ‘Big Brother’ and it operates like, what is called, a Closed Shop, a close-knit group of people whose inner sanctum is not easily accessible to outsiders.

            It is impossible to change a regime run by a clique through reforms or elections, you need a revolution.

            I am afraid, unbeknown to you, you are committing more Straw Man logical fallacies.

  • Saleh Johar

    Now inc.
    Thank you but since the word has a long o. can you allow foool. How will showing the way foool is cooked fill their stomach?

  • Saleh Johar

    Hello all,
    Just in case you missed it//
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSS6zGY5LKU

    • Now inc.

      Salih,
      Thanks man, this is good video.
      When EPLF entered Asmara, there were weekly public seminars on Cinema Capitol on different topics. I remember a seminar I attended on sirhit commando by Wedi Berhe. I am not sure entirely but I think it was this Wedi Berhe. RIP patriots!
      On why IA didn’t lay bouquet, I was wondering about that myself.
      On next video we the people demand to see how ful breakfast is made. Keren style.

      • Saleh Johar

        Now inc,
        You want me to do a kitchen show!! Never crossed my mind but if you can help me understand how that helps defeat the PFDJ, I might consider it. Maybe cook Foul Medemes and pray it bloats their stomach so much they will spend most of their time in the bathroom … 🙂

  • sara

    Dear Eritreans the rituals of haj has started////
    today is the 8thof Dhu Al-Hjah— Tawaf and Sa’ay.

    Happy Eid Al-Aladha– to all of Eritreans at home and abroad…

    • Peace!

      كل عام وانت بخير عيد اضحا سعيد

  • Hayat Adem

    Selamat,
    Abiy is back with a different tone: now defending the Ethiopian consititution, describing his own agitatees a “herd”, praizing his army and their role, and also asking his retired generals to stay around for any possible call. Recklessness is becoming his other middle name. So far, in his 4+ month on duty, he has not given a single press conference, no official explanation on the many disturbances and killings, no justification or explanation on what has happened in Ethio Somali and why…

    • Paulos

      Selam Hayatina,

      He probably realised that he can not do it without the support of TPLF. The assumption was that TPLF was a nug away from falling flat but it turned out, it is coming out strong.

      The real danger is not Abiy. It is Isaias. He is trying to instill a puppet in every Kilil as he is already implanting them in Oromia, Amara and Debub where they will counter act every conceivable move by EPRDF where the halfway objective is see EPRDF disintegrate.

      Next move is to pressure Abiy to strike out Article 39 of the Constitution so that TPLF will not have the option of parting ways from Ethiopia proper. Once, the nation is weakened to the extent of facing Constitutional crisis, Isaias will propose a Federal arrangement for Eritrea where he will share considerable power with in the arrangement.

      Eventually, he will find away for a total annexation so that he will be the sole ruler of greater Ethiopia. The scenario certainly may sound out of touch, it does seem so only because Isaias is running out of time, if he was in his 40s or 50s, it would definitely be his ultimate call in life. Remember what he did to Romedan Muhamed-Nur? That is exactly how he sees politics and the dynamics with in it. It is all about power!

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam paulos
        Have u seen a movie called “the dictator” ? U two( hayat and u) analysis r just like the analysis on that movie when the impostor(double) address the un(um)
        And “the lady on ANB”alalysis his speech live, u two r just like her but urs r not comedy.

        • Blink

          Dear Teodrose
          I think you know the TPLF guys talking about media and how they will storm the internet pushing anyone who didn’t agree with them. I am sure we have some of them HERE and you can guess who are these .
          1. Yemen issue was closed after both parties agree to a commone line not because of one boat sinking, so here you have Abraham openly making lies.
          2. He even made it seem as if Eritrea lost by the war not by the court.

          The fact that many people are making outlandish lies about Eritrea and Abiy as if MELES was doing good .

      • Mez

        Hi Paulos,
        a lot of things are possible in life, including what you listed about ” the political annexation of Ethiopia” by PIA to his like.

        But I will remind you to make simple “conservation laws” approach and go from there. You would get more realistic outcome scenario.

        And I don’t think Article 39 is “the cardinal” of the Ethiopian constitution. At the end the day the most critical component will be the utmost respect of the rights and duties of the private citizens–the universal human right.

        Thanks

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Paul,

        You presented a compelling working hypothesis. It would have been a top rated movie (ጁሊያኖ ጀማ፡ ኣብ ሲነማ ሮማ :-)) whose end everyone prays to see had it not been for the great Eritrean people caught in the middle of this tempest; had the terrain the two elephants are playing on was not inhabited by these decent population. Deliberately or not you presented the other protagonist as a spectator. You might have thought it is in its own right to play good in its own country, but it is worthwhile to mention its game of playing bad on its neighbour population that it calls its kins when acting. Elephants & protagonists: I am talking about the two independentist movements TPLF and PFDJ/PFDJ playing with the federalism card to annhilate each other. The former trying to show its might for doom and gloom using its trophy and the latter playing retribution with the aspiration of its people and its daily livelihood. The title of your movie should be ክልተ ጎርሓት ሓሙኽሽቲ ስንቆም – bis.

        • Paulos

          Selam Hailat,

          This is well put comment or should I say an elegant comment ከም ጻሓፊኡ!

          Was hoping Alain Delon where the audience more often comes out heart broken for he dies in most of the movies he played in where to the very least the writers should have spared him for the sake of his good looks. Isaias has the latter but people wish him the fate of Delon for he plays the villain instead.

          The difference between statistics and probabilities is that, the former helps us to examine the trend when we already know the outcome, and the latter helps us to predict the future outcome. Here we are presented with a man who has been consistent about a single factor—Power. Anything and everything for and to him is a pawn to step on where compunction loses any meaning. And that is precisely the reason, he doesn’t stop at destroying his blood enemy [using his word] TPLF but reigning over the entire vista of Ethiopia-proper.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Hayat, what is surprising is these statements are solely coming from the PM. Why? Doesn’t he have a cabinet of ministers? Why are the leading organs of the coalition that elected him and he leads meet to discuss the difficult situations that Ethiopia finds itself in? Why is his government allowing the interference of the Eritrean dictator in the affairs of sovereign Ethiopia? What good does one expect from a good for nothing despot in Eritrea whose records so far are nothing but total disaster? Responsible Ethiopian politicians of all walks of life should say enough is enough, they should stop the madness of letting their country to be a fertile ground for the vultures in Asmara.

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat A,
      It looks to me, due to certain unknown social process, you became the “plaintiff, the police and at the same time the judge” on national Ethiopian themes.

      The problem with the above is: it will take, the challenge at hand, nowhere.

      Regarding the four months performance of PMAAA, you definitely could say more.

      Thanks

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Mez,
        I’m usually a bit reserved towards folks who are much into themselves. Why don’t you tell us loud and clear where you found me lacking?
        1) “…due to certain unknown social process…” Social processes are multi-line and multi-center interactive progressions that lack particularities and/or singularities. How can that be applicable on a single person? And, is that possibly capturable as “certain” but “unknown” of and at the same time?
        2) “…plaintiff, police and judge at the same time” I admit to have become those three at the same time. But this is every one of us, not me alone. You have opinions, claims and complaints over an issue or somebody- that makes you a plaintiff; you have some facts, fear, desire or need- that makes you a police; you make decisions, preferences and judgments- and that makes you a judge. Have a 2nd look on what you wrote above, and tell me if you are NOT seeing exactly those three qualities in one.

        • Peace!

          Hi Hayata,

          While waiting for Mez:

          Where you found me lacking?

          1 Courage: next time you accuse or defame someone, please at least reveal your identity. People might give you a benefit of doubt.

          2 Fairness: you have used awate platform for years to promoting and absolving TPLF and now to opposing Abiy. Please have some sense of fairness. በለጽ ወላ ኣብ ትግራይውን ቁቡል ኣይኮነን

          3 Consistency: Injustice under PFDJ is the same as Injustice under TPLF.

          Will add more later …got to go!

          Peace!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      Any reference (audio or written document) that support any change of tones and directions on the PM to control the mobs killing each other? Isn’t all these bad news in the “administrative unit” of Lemma who is behind the so called change, but in realities isn’t change but chaos?

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Emma,
        He clearly spoke of all those points during a graduation of an army officers and he has repeated them at least once after that.
        I don’t think the moderators would allow me to put up the link.
        It is a bad news for Lemma who seems now losing his fake grace. OLF is pulling off the rug under him. OLF collecting tax in some corners of Oromia is so mind boggling. He is now acting on Qerro on a little scale. Eprdf is in a meetibg or about to start. Post their congress which might hsppen s month from now or shorter, it is either going to be either a regraced Eprdf or Abiy. I can’t envision an Eprdf where Abiy, Lemma and Demeke are part of it.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Queen.. Hayat,

          Don’t forget to attache the link next weekend..I think, Just Jebena page will the best for you and all..

          KS,,

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Hayat,

          Assuming the scenario you have drawn will produce either of the two, what do you think the position of the despot, who has put all his eggs in the basket of Abiy and Lemma, will be? Would he engage as usual in some military venture?

          Keep in mind those armed groups who are now in Ethiopia were trained and armed by him and returned back with armed. Since no governing authority would risk its security and monopoly of its forces of law and order on possession and use of arms, do you think Dr. Abiy and his government agreed with the Eritrean dictators to let the various armed groups to enter the country with their weapons? Could there be a way available to Abij and Lemma to integrate those armed groups in to the army given in the first place the latter is till coherent and professional?

          I am imaging collapse of EPRDF or exit of Abiy and Lemma would mean trouble that will exasperate the ubiquitous flare ups in many spots of the country. It is already frightening given the distributes of arms and fragility of authority at the center.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Unpacking “Gaslighting Eritrea” By Way Of Instantiation

    Greetings!!

    A certain radio station, Erena, had recently reported that Eritrea will send its troops to fight in Yemen. This came about right on the heels of the Saudi Foreign Minister visit to Eritrea. It spiced up the report by adding some details. Right on cue, the practitioners of “Gaslighting Eritrea” picked up the report and went on an overdrive and started spouting it as if the report came from a redoubtable source.

    They went on their justification campaign by touting the radio station Erena is an independent media outlet and its reporting should be taken as credible. They kept repeating the same line that the PFDJ regime is going to get Eritrea embroiled in a senseless war and Eritrea’s youngsters are going to end up being the cannon fodders of the Saudi/UAE war campaigns in Yemen.

    Through implication and insinuation, they attempted the Saudi Foreign Minister’s visit to Asmara as if it was a mission of recruiting Eritrea to send its troops to join the fight in
    Yemen. Some even unabashedly claimed that the Saudi/UAE mediated the Ethio-Eritrean peace deal simply because they wanted the Eritrean troops to be moved away from the Ethiopian border and be available to be detailed in the Yemen war.

    Now, all the reporting by Erena was not only erroneous, but it turned out to be utterly mendacious. Did the practitioners of gaslighting Eritrea retract their false claims. No way, they didn’t. How could they? The whole point of their mission is to sow and implant doubts in the Eritrean mind. They want nothing less than the Eritrean people to doubt their government. They want the Eritrean people to doubt that the PFDJ and its leadership never to be trusted with Eritrea’s future as a sovereign country. They want to cast that doubt in the Eritrean psyche that PIA and the PFDJ are jeopardizing Eritrea’s independence and Assab is on sale.

    Speaking of the radio station Erena, it is this radio station that has reported that a whole Eritrean division of the EDF to have surrendered with all its generals in the Tserona front to Ethiopia. Well, this was also an out and out lie and a fabricated story. The fact that this very radio station has a credibility issue didn’t give pause to the practitioners of gaslighting Eritrea from echoing its mendacious report about the Eritrean troops joining the Yemen war.

    The thing about gaslighting is to create, cast and sow doubts in the minds of the targeted audience. In this case, the point is not about the veracity of the news item. Anything is deemed kosher in so far as it creates doubts in the minds of Eritreans concerning their country under the stewardship of the PFDJ.

    .

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Gheteb,

      We didn’t see Britons. Later, they were planning to kill our president. But when Great Britain intimidated them of using power, they released them immediately. What do you call this, Mr. Gheteb?

      Though the regime, his cohorts and the world know that those who are dying in deserts and high seas are most of them are Eritreans, but the regime says they are Africans.

      The despot, you and the whole mafia conceive Eritrea is a police-state, but you claim you have the best kind of democracy in the world. Are you kidding?

      First, you claim that you don’t have any conflict with Dijibute, later you sought for mediator when Dijibute complain was brought to the UN security council.

      The most fresh and glaring disgrace the entire world knows about is the “final and binding” mantra machine that worked for two decades. It is wonderful how you shifted within days or may be hours into diplomatic exchanges and trade contracts without a single soldier departs the occupied Eritrean territory. Badme is still in the hands of Ethiopians. Eritreans are unable to understand what is going on; many are confused. You don’t swindle only Eritreans, but the entire international community. The shamelessness you enjoy is internationally documented.

      Eritreans are decent people. They abhor to lie or act unseemly. Really, this is alien to Eritrean culture; and most probably these guys are fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት) not true Eritreans.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Al-Arabi, on the Djibouti case, DIA was forced to silently leave the area he had occupied after some unidentified force sunk a boat that was carrying his soldiers. Also on the conflict with the British, he only backed down and released those he had arrested only after recieving serious threats from Britain. Similarly, he backed down in the Hanish conflict with Yemen after Yemen started buying modern missiles and rallied all its Arab friends. In the conflict with Ethiopia, he was made to swallow the bittter pill of accepting an agreement worse than the one which was offered to him in the beginning of the conflict, only after he was heavily battered in the battle field.
        The conclusion is DIA is someone who only listens after he is dealt with a stick. Just like a donkey refusing to move, without being beaten, though I respect the pack animal donkey better than DIA and his junkies.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Abraham H.,

          It is true the only tool that makes him listen is a stick. We also remember the night call of UN secretary general after he was heavily beaten by the Ethiopian army. The AU secretary general informed them, almost soundly asleep, it is not negotiation time, that means, it is battle field time.

          Astonishingly, the stick has reminded me what Isaias has said to Dr. Abie Ahmed, “I am your servant, instruct me”. How on earth a president of a country chooses to be an errand boy of another country PM? I guess this has direct relation with a stick that has made remember an adage, “Don’t buy a slave without stick”.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Al-Arabi, I think DIA has never grown up from his adolescence time. He is said to be fond of beating people physically and humilate them, of course, when he beilieves someone else will protect him. He displays the behaviour of a bully kid that keeps harassing thier peers, until such a time when their victims get the courage and make them test their medicine, after which they behave. For example, Isayas, went into fighting with Michael Gabr, on several occasions, during his school time in Asmara, one of them after Isayas insulted the lowland people, according to Weldeyesus Ammar’s account. There are several people who have spoken about DIA’s behaviour of attacking others physically.

  • saay7

    Hey Abi:

    Yeah it reminded me of Nitricc and the research he was doing for his friend who was choosing between Case Western Reserve and Princeton?

    Hopefully now Air B n B will have something for room and board because that’s about 25k a year at places like New York. Even a kid who gets full scholarship for medical school has to borrow a ton for room and board.

    Has your PM had any luck persuading Ethiopian docs to go back to Ethiopia? Your country was ranked I think 3rd in hardest working immigrants to the US: did you see it? I think Ghana beat you again. Tsk tsk.

    saay

    • Abi

      Hey Saay
      I consider Abiyachin successful if he somehow slow down the brain drain.
      Long time ago I read a world bank report that there are more Nigerian doctors in US than in Nigeria. I think the same is true to Ethiopians as well.

      Ethiopians should have been the number one hardest working immigrants in the US if only Eritreans were not counted together:) 😅 You are dragging us behind Ghana in the rankings. Not fair.
      Only Fanti is happy about this ranking.

      • saay7

        Selam Abi:

        Nah not possible. The data is based of US census bureau annual survey and do you know any Eritrean who would identify himself or herself asf Ethiopian? I am talking pre-medemer and pre-Isaias holding his heart (or where he thinks his heart is) and breathing heavily. No.

        Also, I meant to say the third hardest working African immigrants. Overall you come in 4th: so no medal for you, not even bronze. It’s Ghana, Bulgaria, Kenya and then Ethiopia. Tsk tsk.

        Also you guys don’t make it anywhere on the list of most educated. Guess who does? Egypt. Egypt! This is enough to give Hayat a heart attack. I am sure all these overeducated Egyptians are plotting ways to block GERD as you celebrate your hard work ranking with (and I swear I read this once) most Johnnie Walkers consumed in the DMV area.

        Anyway it’s the weekend so here’s your source so you can send it to Abiyachu so he can include it in his next sermon:

        https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-16/let-in-more-africans-if-you-want-educated-immigrants

        saay

  • said

    Greeting,
    The world is what it is,”. “Those who are nothing, or allow themselves to become nothing, have no place in it.” as the late V.S. Naipaul put it at the start of his novel A Bend in the River.
    For start PMAA his action speaks loud. love him and hate him. Respect him or detest him – and both camps are well-subscribed – there’s no denying that PMAA has exercised an enormous influence on Ethiopian politics and public life in his short few months since he took office a month of April. PMAA listen to all Ethiopian with respect. and his known to be tolerant respect for his opponents, a willingness to accept that Ethiopian opposition too are motivated by good intentions as himself no less no more. have power does make more patriotic. Compromise is in the air. Ethiopian are in the grip of a form of idealism and admiration so overwhelmed and overheated that they forget the ordinary and vital details of life and politics as life goes on. PMAA as if to emphasise a completely different idea of what Ethiopian centre right politics should look like His admirers put him in the same league as such celebrated and instinctive as young Mandela, only time will tell. in contrast and the very opposite of IA both internally and externally, through oppression, subjugation, intimidation, intrusion, bullying and fear. Anyone who dares to disagree with demagogue IA, it is his end coming. Everything, in other words, that PMAA isn’t. For IA democracy, freedom and rule of law” have “absolutely no meaning nor value, change will happen, how and when no body knows. Yet there comes a point when the ground gives way. And when the breakdown happens, Eritrea after 27 years under IA, as it appears to have reached that critical tipping point. But it will also show Eritrean that this ongoing oppression and scheming will fail sooner or later. Eritrean people will fight for justice and fight against oppression because righteousness always prevails. it can happen very fast.as it did in Ethiopia, the jury is out? to have posed that question only one year ago would have seemed absurd. Alas, thanks to Ethiopian people you showed if can happen and PMAA was a natural choose to bring desired change.
    Hope for Eritrea, a highly promising a new nation was born and was meant to be kinder, gentler independent that was not to be. While Eritrea has taken not to minding its business. and immediately started to gear up for bloody confrontation with neighbouring countries and the nation is still struggling for its very survival. Ethiopia PMAA newly Zen may be is endlessly seeking peace, a la bonne entente with the rest of neighbouring countries.
    For vast of us we never have doubted that humanity is a true privilege and high dignity bestowed on , even if we, as the human being who think, are also the creatures who do the most horrible thing, we agitate, plot and fantasize. to see what humanness might be, beneath differences of custom and circumstance, nations, ethnicity, faith and race.
    Dictator Governments try to suppress this at times, and many of us in diaspora we live of freer world known some will imprison themselves by choosing to live through all kind of screens.
    in defiance of the shared humanness that Adolf Hitler’s idea was well known he embraced of demented racial “science” delivered the world into darkness and led, almost inexorably, to the Holocaust. The fact and true science had no meaning, Hitler ’perversion of reason was so normalized under Nazi rule that grotesque Josef Mengele’s human experiments could be discussed at scientific conferences just like any other medical research. Similarly, one in thousand lies of Mr. Trump has tweeted about a potential link between vaccines and autism. That link – first promoted by a disgraced British doctor and a former Playboy playmate – has been conclusively refuted by the scientific community and yet Mr. Trump wined the elevation and wormed his way into U.S. politics by promoting the racist “birther” argument, which claimed that then-president Barack Obama was not born in the United States and therefore did not qualify for the office he held. It is by no means clear whether Mr. Trump himself knows the difference between real and fake. Even more horrible Buddhist and very dangerous and demagogue Ashin Wirathu who, in defiance of the Buddha teaching, he worked so hard to elucidate, compares his Muslim neighbors in Myanmar to wolves and jackals. The good news. If that is big IF circumstances change, however, for sure I never doubt that the humanness of just about everyone can be recovered and his humanity restored.

  • haileTG

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ፡

    ነቶም ምስ ባሕቲ መስከረም ተጎራቢታ ሓበሬታ ካብ ወዲ ኣፌይ ክትመጸኩም ትጽበዩ ዘለኹም፡ ጽቡቕ ስማዕ ወስ ከብለልኩም። ወዮ ሰብኣይ ሓቲቶሞ። ንሱ ድማ መሊሹ። መቸስ ስፍሕ ዝበለ ኣመላልሻ’ዩ፡ ግን መልሲ ወይ መለሳ እንተበልናዮ ይሓይሽ። ግዝየ ከይበልዓልኩም። መጀመርያ እታ ሕቶ ዝሃብዎ ከምዘላታ ናባኹም። መቸም ሎምስ በዢሑ ከምትብሉ፡ ወየ ዘረባ ዓባይና ዘኪርኩም ፍሉጥ’ዩ። በሉ ሒዘኩም ብዙሕ ናብቲ ሕቶን መልስን (መቐረት ክትውስኽ ከምዛ ዑደት ኣቢይ ናብ ኣስመራ ኢለ’የ መእተዊ ኣንዊሔልኩም)፡ ሃየ በሉ እንኩም ሓዙ ፡)

    ሕቶ፡ ክቡር ፕረሲደንት ህዝቢ ኤርትራ፣ ብፍላይ እቶም ናይ ብሓቂ ደቂ ደቂ ኤርትራ፡ ማለት እቶም ናይ ብሕሶት ደቂ ኤርትራ ከይሓወስካ’ዩ ዝኸውን ዘሎ፣ ብእልቢ ዘብሉ መእሰሪ ዘይርከቦ ተባራሪ ዜናታት ሞኽ ስለዝበሉ፡ ገለ ካብቲ እዋናዊ ዝበሃል ሓቀኛ ሓበሬታ ህሉው ኩነታት’ዶ ምጀመርካ። እቲ መቓን ናይዚ ዓቢ ስእሊ እንታይ ይመስል፡ እቲ ህዝብና (ብፍላይ እቶም ናይ ብሓቂ ህዝብና) እንታይ ሓበሬታ ትህቦም ክቡር ፕረሲደንት?

    መልሲ፡ እዋእ መቸም ኣነ ኩልሳዕ ዝብሎ፡ ኣብዛ ሃገር ዘሎ ነገር ይኹን፡ እንተላይ ብደገ፡ ጹጹይ ሓበሬታ ኢልካ ክትዛረብ እንተኾንካ፡ ብደረጃ ተሰሪዑ፡ ካብ መን ንመን፡ በየንን፡ ከመይን ካብ መን፡ ዝብሉ ከም ባህሊ ክተኣታቶ ኣለዎ። እቲ ዝድለ ዘሎሓበሬታ፡ ዋላ ብክለሰ ሓሳብ ድዩ ካልእ መምዘንን መዔቀንን ኣለዎ ክትብል የጸግም’ዩ። ህንጡይነት ኣሎ። ዘይንስኻ ምዃንን ምፍታንን፡ ዋላ ነዊሕ ድዩ ሓጺር እቲ ተደልዩ ዘሎ ሸቶ፡ ብመንን ከመይን ይውቃዕ። መን’ከ እዩ ተረባሒ። ማንም ክፈልጦ ዘለዎ ጉዳይ እንተሊዩ፡ ሓቤረታ ደልዩ ብዘይ ሓቤረታ ዝተርፍ ነገር ኣብዛ ሃገር ኣሎ ክብል ዝደፍር እንተሎ፡ ክሓልም ይኽእል’ዩ፡ ኣብ ግዜ’ኡ ድማ ክንጸባጸብ ኢና። እቲ ዝድለ ዘሎ ግን እንታ’ዩ? ብመንን ንምንታይ ዕላማን ዝብሉ ብዕምቆት ክምለሹ ኣሎዎም እየ ዝብል ኣነ። ኣብዚ ሃገር ናይ ሓቤረታ ምንንዕዓብ ፈጢርካ ክርከብ ዝድለ ግዝያዊ ረብሓታት፡ ኣብ ቦትኡ ኣሎ፡ እንቶኾነ ኣብቲ ቀንዲ ጉዳይ ሓበሬታ፡ ኣገዳሲ ስለ ዝኾነ፡ መዓስን ከመይን ጥራይ ዘይኮነ ምስናይ ዓይነትን ትሕዝቶን መስመርን ዝምልከት ኣብዚ ሃገር ዝረብሕ ትሕተ ቅርጺ’ሎ ኢልካ ክትዛረብ ኣይትኽእልን። እዚ ድማ እኹል ይመስለኒ ንዓይ።

    የቐንየልና ክቡር ፕረሲደንት ስለቲ ሰፊሕን ሙሉእን ሓቤረታ!

    • Ismail AA

      ሰላም ሃይለ፣

      ብናይ ኣካላት ቋንቋ ከማን ምግራሞም ክገልጹ ከይከኣሉ ደኒኖም ኣመስጊኖም ተፈዲሶም።

    • Now inc.

      ሃይላት
      ስቕ ኢልና ኢና’ምበር እወ ካብኣ ክንደየናይ ከይትሓልፍ። ንዶር ኣቢይ ቁሩብ ናእዳ ንወያነ ከኣ ቁሩብ ጸርፊ ወሲኽካስ እሳ’ያ በቃ። እንተ’ቶም ዝሓቱ’ሞ ተመን ዝረገጸስ ብልሕጺ ተዳህለ ከም ዝብሃል እታ ናይ መስከረም 2001 ኩርማጅ ነባሪ ናይ ኣእምሮ ስምብራት ገዲፋትሎም ምዩቕ ምዩቕ እናበሉ ክሓቱ ከለው ነቲ ተዓዛቢ ከማን የሰክፉ።
      ኣቶ ኢሰያስ ከኣ እታ ናይ ኣልጀዚራ ሰበይቲ ኣብ 2010 ርሃጽ ንርሃጽ ምስገበረቶ ብድሕሪኣ ክሳብ ሎሚ ሓቀኛ interview ኣይገበረን።

      • Paulos

        ሰላም Now Inc,

        ትዝክር ‘ተኾንካ ኢሳያስ ተስፋ ዝህብ ዘረባ ኣይዛረበን እዩ፣ ንምጥቃስ ዝኣክል፣

        1. ኣብ ገገዛኹም መጺእና በጊዕ ክንሐርደልኩም ዲኹም ደሊኹም….

        2. ደሞዝ ምውሳኽ ዝባሃል ነገረ የለን…

        3. ዴሞክራሲ ተደሊኻ ናብ ወርሒ ክትከይድ ትኽእል ኢኻ…

        4. ካብ ወርቂ ብሻ ዝመጽእ ገንዘብ ጋና ኣይተፈልጠን….

        The lesson is, don’t expect anything different for it is same ‘ol same ‘ol.

    • saay7

      Selamat HaileTG:

      And here’s the same answer if the question were asked in English (requesting that Isaias Afwerki clear up the confusion and rumors about what he may or may not say related to reform of his system by September 1):

      To begin with, what’s “reliable” information? What is “fake news”? I don’t want to take a lot of time answering this but it may be helpful to go back a little in time and see what those who call themselves brokers of reliable news did and in the service of whom? How? Why? Lots of questions can be asked. Specially after the conclusion of World War II, and the beginning of the Cold War and the creation of the bipolar world and my bipolar mind one can say a lot. I call it a joke. It’s a joke. I call it a distortion. End of history, Fukuyama, Huntington and the emergence of the unipolar world with four anchor states as the agents of those with hegemonic tendencies. But this is more and more being exposed.

      You cannot subjugate a People forever. Maybe you can do it for a decade or two here and there but this requires the people to raise their consciousness. What I always say is people should stay focused on their goals and work. What will happen September October November December, summer or winter, in this life or if there is an afterlife, we will see. It will eat its time and pass on. What is important is not September or October or February or March, day or night, rain or shine but not to be confused by distortion and stay focused on our goals.

      saay

  • Natom Habom

    selam Girmay spear me your crocodile tears ,in this times ,in this day no one
    is more viciously attacking eritrea than tigrayan to dismembare eritrea within with
    the help with some sellout that want to rewrite history of their origin if eritrea
    collapse and won t happen and if by any miracle it happen we will all dies to the last fighting i can assure that .
    you mention tesfaynews at least their news is not fake at all and the people that comment their are patriot did you even checked tigraionline it make you thinking that you are in monkey zoo when you read their stupid comment they write about amhara and oromo mostly ,let alone eritrea ,and for responsibility of my comment wrong or right consern only me i dont represente anyone ,but hammeed represent the owner of forum idea ,this is what they want ,division along side etchnic and religion ,the like of hammeed are not men ,they dont like real fight ,they run away from it give jebena and bun cafe they enjoy sittiing and gossiping with their long robe and shash in their empty head

    • Girmay

      Hello Natom Habom, my response was not crocodile tears, I was just reminding you that it is not ok to write ethnic slurs on websites. In fact if you live in the western world , writing ethic messages is illegal.
      Now, you want to compare Tesfanews and Awate.com. Give me a break awate.com is promoting a civil discussion among people with diverse views, where as Tesfanews, is promoting hate by allowing you to use ag word none stop. Tesfanews, editor will be sued one day, for his hate message board. Awate.com will be awarded the best African website that has prompted civil discussion.
      As of Tigraionline, I told the guy to shut his comments section because we know who were writing hate messages pretending to be Tigreans . He refused because I think he is politically imature. For that reason, I dont visit or comment on Tigraionline.
      Natom Nahabom, I think its a good idea to realize that diverse ideas dont’t threaten a nation’s existence, but ignorance does.
      With the rise of social media it will be difficult to impose hade lebi hade hangol slogan . Its like trying to hold water with your hands. Ideas are flying all over and you are trying to shield Eritreans from ideas. This is an impossible task.
      Finally, while responding to me you insulted a big section of Eritrean population, once again this is illegal in America. You can wear your pants upside down, perfectly ok, but insulting ethinc groups is illegal. Keep that in mind.
      Just for a change try to interact without getting angry. Maybe you will learn something new. A human being should never allow himself to be the museum of ignorance.
      Have a good day

      • Natom Habom

        selam Girmay
        I dont want to turn around ,what is your problem ?
        what ethnic message did i said ,you must be one of those who think tigrigna superiority with fake agazian history , we Eritrean don entertain such stupidity if you think that freee speech will bring weath and prosperity you welcom to believe ,
        i didnt insulted you and make as you represent eritrean please
        we are no one just be humble ,also your treat mean nothing to me

        • Girmay

          Hi Natom Nahabom, I first responded to you because said wedishawl, a reference used to humilate Tigreans that immigrated to Tigray. Then as you responded, you said give them jebna, and and this, using sterotypes, I said, that is not ok.
          Now, you are saying a fake agazian, well I have the right to anything , I want. As for you, chill dude.
          If you want to learn debate from your fellow Eritreans in this website. Do the following, buy a notebook and pencil. Take some notes. Then memorize few words, such as, fact verses opnion.
          You see my friend, you cant beat up everybody into agreement. The old good days are gone. Even adi abyae has facebook, you can’t trick people.
          Final advice, if you are not prepared to learn the existence of different opinion awate.com is not good for you. You should stick to Tesfa News, where insulting Tigreans and other Eritrean is the norm, by calling us emaga, spelled backward.
          If you want to learn debate, I will help you with none political items.
          Ok, do you think coffee is better than tea, explain why?

          • Natom Habom

            selam Girmay
            it this forum belong to you ?? did tigrayan finance this forum ?
            is the word tigray a racist term ?/
            what is your problem ?? you guys are every speaking on behalf of eritrean ,and why is moderator harassing me ??/
            I thought you guys are for free speech ,a fake forum of free speech
            and warning me as if is my last day in earth
            the moderor cant stand the true ,and its childish to take side when other can attack ethnic so the are silent when we answer the moderator jumping ,its this your project for eritrea ??
            well we know you have zero chance to get in eritrea anyways

  • Paulos

    Alfaromeo,

    I didn’t know to be honest. I am sure you will be of a great asset to our Party! You already have my vote!

    • Alfaromeo

      Paulos,
      On a serious note ho, unless we’re able to form some kind of united front, we will never bring any kind of change. There, i rest my case for now!…..

      • Paulos

        Alfaromeo,

        I agree. The thing is though, we haven’t been able to make the “United Front” happen. And it’s been 27 years. I would think due to but not limited to the following factors:

        A. Lack of a charismatic leader.
        B. Disconnect in objectives,
        priorities and attitudes between.
        the older and younger.
        generation.
        C. Ethiopia’s dubious reluctance
        to support the Opposition.
        D. Contingencies and shifting.
        dynamics in the Horn.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam @george,

    I am very sorry, you seem very frightened. Calm down a bit. It is time of transformation, always happens like this when change occurs suddenly. Some people can’t tolerate it, but what can we do your god has declared it suddenly that he is an Ethiopian, likewise all who worship him have the same identity. Just calm down a bit and you will be accustomed in your promised land. Don’t forget Weyannes are your brothers so try to get rid of such kind of spirit towards your kins. By the way are you from Tenbein, Wolo or Gondar.

  • Paulos

    Alfaromeo,

    I am game! Let’s do it. The driving force however is not to defeat as you put it, ኢሳያስ ጨጋዕ [You should see me laughing!], but to offer the Eritrean people the best alternative political system, economic model and social cohesiveness in tune with Eritrean reality. Not purely ideological dogma but based on “What Works!”

  • Hayat Adem

    Greetings to all,
    Paul: “what do you think is going to happen to the hundreds of prisoners languishing in the dungeons including underage who haven’t seen a day in a court of law for the last 20 or so years?”
    MS: “Bxaay IA has graciously accepted my call to release the prisoners.”
    What a donkination! Do you really say that to the family members of the victims!? If MS was the victim, how would his sons react to that kibd of insensitive joke? Is it even a joke?

  • MS

    Hey Semere Tesfai
    This is the best treat, my friend. Great job.

  • MS

    Selam Awatawyan
    [I mean the REAL sons of Awate, not the phony ones)
    Here is what’s at stake:
    1. Eritrea has broken the siege and has become the hub of diplomatic activities in the region.
    2. Eritrea is working hard to have a strong, prosperous and united Ethiopia as its strategic partner.
    3. Ethiopians, for the first time, have openly expressed their acceptance of Eritrea’s independence where the “two nations one people” mantra has begun on a sound ground of cooperation and peaceful co-existence.
    4. In the past years, Eritrea worked diligently to help create an effective opposition that combined arms, political and activism.
    5. The entities making up that opposition, in coordination with domestic change-seeking elements, were able to get Wayane to pack and head to MeQele. It has been SHRUNK TO ITS EXACT SIZE, better to reform itself and make peace with Eritrea before it is too late.
    6. Hence, Ethiopian exiled and domestic oppositions to Wayane rule have been signing agreements to work together inside Ethiopia- in essence, all along, comrades in arms.
    7. For Eritrea, the opposition is not a PRIORITY. I have for some time said that Eritreans have had a hard time distinguishing the so-called Eritrean opposition from Wayane. That is why the so-called Eritrean opposition could not cultivate grassroots following; it lacks solid constituency that threats the government. So, why bother about it as a priority. For Ethiopia, it is a must because Dr. Ahmed came to power because of what the exiled opposition has done in coordinating the Qeerro, Fano and other grassroots movements.
    8. Donkey-minded folks see only donkey nation (read: Hayat Adem’s comment). Donkey-minded folks don’t think for tomorrow. They graze a pasture all the way to its roots. And even then, they sand bath on the naked pasture. That’s what Wayane did to Ethiopia. It ransacked it economically, politically, and socially. Now, the current government of Dr. Abiy has to clean up their mess!! (Shame on SAAY and HaileTG who stoke the insatiable desire of entities like Hayat who are on the go to denigrate Eritreans. Guys, you could present your ideas in a better and tasteful manner).
    9. Lastly, I read IA is visiting the Amara region. And this is going to send a message to TPLF. Its last hope that it would continue influencing the Amara region through its long-serving cadres in the ANDM is coming to end. I think this is may look risky but it is a calculated one. The next flashpoint between Amara and Tigray and something that will test the constitution’s independence will be Walkayt. Deja vu!! This is critical because unless TPLF’s current mindset is not changed, I don’t see a smooth implementation of the aspirations both countries are embarked on scoring. In addition to Assab, for Northen Ethiopia, there must be a corridor outside the control of Tigray linking Eritrea with mainland Ethiopia. Meanwhile, I hope TPLF matures and comes for REAL peace. It is not in any form or posture to compel Eritrea to make concessions. I always maintain that the Tigray people made TPLF, TPLF did not make the Tigray people. The Tigray people are more than TPLF and we must engage them on all levels.
    9. Meanwhile, the donkey-minded lots will keep barking, and as their limited pasture gets barren, they will take a long session of the sand bath. By the end of the session, we will not recognize them.
    Have a nice weekend.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U_Rg_xanRs

    • Paulos

      Selam Muhamuday,

      While you are at it, what do you think is going to happen to the hundreds of prisoners languishing in the dungeons including underage who haven’t seen a day in a court of law for the last 20 or so years?

      I get it, Weyane, three months ago was rendered “Game Over” and now you are saying that, like the comedy movie, you’ve shrunk it to its natural size. And next, I would assume, the Weyanes will shrink to Isaias’ 👞 size when he steps on them? But most importantly, please enlighten us about the fate of the prisoners in Eritrea.

      P.S. You don’t have to respond if you think that I am not worthy to be included in your “True sons of Awate” category.

      • MS

        Ahlan Paulosay
        Bxaay IA has graciously accepted my call to release the prisoners. And you are a true son of Awate, Paulos. I have not seen you overstepping on the right of others. I may disagree with some of your views but that is fine with me. But I have not sen you insulting or denigrating a class of Eritrean society.

        • Paulos

          Muhamuday,

          The respect is mutual. ዘለፋ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ማለት ንቤተሰበይ ዘሊፈ ማለት እዩ፣ That I can not do!

    • saay7

      Hala MS:

      So we now have REAL sons of Awate, phoney ones,ቅዳሓት ones (according to Al-Arabi) and all this to say: there are pro-IA and anti-IA Eritreans and a whole bunch of in-between? Weriduwa Ertra.

      I think in the itinerary of Isaias Afwerki, you forgot that after his visit to Amara region (having reconciled the armed Amara groups that never existed in Eritrea because SEMG was telling lies), he has three other reconciliation campaigns:

      1. Benishangul People’s Liberation Movement (with the regional government of Benishangul)
      2. Tigray People’s Democratic Movement (with the regional government of Tigray)

      That will take care of Ethiopia. Then, of course, he has to go to Djibouti and reconcile:

      3. Front for Restoration of Unity and Democracy (FRUD) with the government of Djibouti.

      After that, I hear that IGAD is just about to admit it failed on South Sudan and what better person to do it than the Prince of Peace, Isaias Afwerki? After that, maybe he can reconcile UAE/Saudi Arabia with Qatar? And, finally, the coup de grace, of course would be to reconcile the two Palestinian factions and then to reconcile the united Palestinian orgs with Israel.

      This is a guy who can’t even reconcile with his lifetime comrades whom he has buried alive at Eila Eiro. Talk about gaslighting.

      And, oh, what am I supposed to be ashamed of?

      saay

      PS: this is what Tegaru are up to. Every action has an equal reaction. Let’s hope everybody just pulls back:

      https://youtu.be/RnJABFY4Ta8

      • MS

        Ahlan SAAY
        up to this moment, there is no official comment of the Eritrean government on statements that are officially made by the Tigray regional government and its officials. I think that is understandable considering the hostile posturing we are witnessing from Tigray.
        In the past, the great Mahmuday repeated the following, and I know Hayat memorized it by now: TPLF behaves and acts as Ethiopian ONLY as it is controlling the whole of Ethiopia. Once it lost the control and monopoly over Ethiopia, I argued, TPLF would show its true secessionist color. That’s what we are witnessing. Mind you, it was quashing constitutional demands made peacefully, whether it was about identity, land, or civil rights, and now TPLF is crying foul about what it terms “the violation of the constitution.” It is exaggerating as if a racial war was declared on Tigraians. The fact of the matter is that Tigrayans were attacked more often when TPLF controlled Ethiopia, but it ignored or downplayed the attacks because it knew it was the source of the meltdown of social cohesion, never seen in Ethiopian history.
        Well, activists such as this singer can go singing empty bravado, but the fact is they did not condemn the TPLF regime when their beloved organization was terrorizing the nation. Remember when we were LITERALLY asking Hayat to condemn the brutal crackdown of TPLF security forces, and she refused to say a word!
        I think Tigrians should open conversation with the rest of Ethiopians. Eritrea will deal with Ethiopia as far as sovereign issues are concerned. It would be a plus if TPLF got levelheaded and read the signs of the time. Until that point, the camel must keep going while activists such as this singer bark.

        • saay7

          Hala MS:

          The camel has been limping and going in circles for decades, Mahmuday. By any objective measure.

          saay

          • MS

            Dear SAAY
            Unlike donkeys, camels live on long-term memory, the limping is a sign of decades of fights, some self-imposed and some dictated upon. But we are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. If you don’t see the light, make sure you stand at the center-line.

          • saay7

            MS:

            You sure the light in the tunnel is not an incoming train? Remember, the only thing “Bxay” Isaias knows is mayhem, grudge, hate, revenge, sadism, cruelty and sleep.

            saay

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY,
            No, SAAY, it is a light of the other opening of the tunnel that you see, not the old IA train. IA train is now heading to Bahr-Dar. It has been fitted with new guiding system, so be ready for PFDJ 2.0, brother.

          • saay7

            Ala Mahmuday:)

            What is your vision of PFDJ 2.0? I have heard Semere T’s version of it: congress will be at Badme, he said. Maybe all the CC and EC members of PFDJ will sit in the “observer’s box”, with Remorse Letter in hand?

            saay

          • MS

            AbusalaH (selam)
            Now, you are going ahead of the speed of events. Zeymlketeka teHat’t aleKa…haha..

          • saay7

            Selamat MaHmuday:

            Ok ok fine 🙂 I was hoping you would make a bold prediction that in his surprise visit to Mekele next week (after Bahr Dar) he would give up Badme because everybody who says people of Badme and Ethiopia are two different people is one who doesn’t know history.

            PFDJ-II conference to be held in TPLF-rented hall.

            No?

            Saay

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            I think you are dragging me into your cousin Gheteb’s territory. But if my old memory will serve right, PFDJ 2.0 will be a rejuvenated one where the Wedi-Afom we know will begin from where he left in 2oo1. Also, I will predict that Badme will be transferred over within a year; he will visit Meqele only after TPLF has been “reformed”, and there wqill be a declaration of “nay wlqesebat Hashewye abqiOu”. You know nay wdbat Hashewye was declared abqiOu in 1991, and he was right on that. They proved him right on that front. Even if they were allowed in 1991, they would have multiplied by the order of ten, or they would have been bussed away, may be to Himeret kelboy.
            On the last point: you forgot that it is “two nations, one people,” not as you put it; and hence the place of Badme does not prejudice this notion.
            Regarding the Hall, he does not need to rent any. Remember that now the government’s palace in Asmara is back in business. Adi-Halo has been closed.

          • saay7

            Selamat MaHmuday:

            But my Cuz Gheteb never explains what will happen; he just finds some way to justify whatever happened within some grand narrative.

            The safest predictions you can make about what IA will do is to imagine what will humiliate Eritreans the most. Thus:

            1. He will visit Mekele before Badme is returned. Long long before.
            2. He will be hosted by “unreformed TPLF” (same org same everything)
            3. He will be tongue tied and say nothing beyond platitudes.

            Also MaHmuday: its Abiy that said “one people, two nations”. He fixed “bxay” IAs “one people” without qualifiers. ትማሊ ትማሊ ዝሰማዕናዯ ኣይተደናግሩና Wait at least a year.

            Also, I know you are not PFDJ but you know their thinking so do you think ቅሩብ ሕፍረት ኣለዎም when they demand reform of everyone and they have the longest distance to travel to reform? They are reconciling Ethiopians and they are not even reconciled among themselves never mind the whole country with nearly 1 million of its people in exile?

            saay

          • MS

            Hayak Allah SAAY
            I must say this has been my best Saturday/qedam/Yom Atthabt/qdamie/senbet nEish…
            1. I disagree, and let that be recorded.
            2. Disagree, and let that too be recorded.
            3. He will tell the reformed TPLF and the people of Tigray” game over to those old guards who had separated us; we are one people in two nations; welcome to Eritrea, no need of mewesawesi wereqet…
            On the rest; time will prove you wrong; PFDJ will respond to the new situation but still we will have room for debate because: a/ they will not call it reform; b/ whatever changes they may introduce are not going to be good enough for you, and may be to me too.

          • Selam MS,

            Having in mind what you used to say in the past, i.e, more or less that the destiny of both countries and people is not the same, i cannot resist but ask you, if this mandra of “one people, two countries”, which you adopted so easily includes the muslim lowlanders of western eritrea as well, who as you very well know were very suspicious and opposed to any ethio-eri rapprochement?

            I want to make sure if the siamese twins narrative of ethiopia and eritrea that has been forwarded by dia during his visit to addis stands on a firm foundation, so that we too can start to believe in it? I really find myself in a state of confusion since dia astonished us with his new rhetoric of “one people, two countries”, and some people soon supported it, after decades of anti-ethiopia-woyane propaganda.

            Remember woyane was demonized after the war of 1998-2000. Until then it was tplf/eplf-pfdj that were siamese twins by all measures. Now, it looks like tplf is responsible for everything negative that happened between ethiopia and eritrea, and one who wants to be the devil’s advocate may even say that eritrea chose complete independence much more due to tplf than her own wish. Here comes the famous rhetoric by tplf, “we fought for eritrean independence more than eritreans themselves, and we will fight again if need be”. What is the reason tplf did not want eritrea and eritreans in ethiopia, if this is indeed the case?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            I think. U still think today’s ethiopia r the same ethiopia under hs, mengistu and tplf lead eprdf? Otherwise u wouldn’t say nonsense about lowland and highlander.
            The same thing about “tplf fought for eri” comment, it looks like for u the 1998 war never happened.
            What a ….. Person.

          • MS

            Selam Horizon
            1. I don’t know what you mean by “Muslim lowlanders of Western Eritrea”, please update your vocabulary in discussing the Eritrea contemporary polity.
            2. What do mean by destiny? Avoid fluid concepts. The human race could be said to have a shared fate; Africa could be talked about as having a shared fate; the Horn, etc. But I never talked about fates. The term “Fate” is abstract and loaded unless you describe it in simple and realistically conceivable chunks.
            I always maintained that local and regional cooperation is a must for the region to pull itself out of poverty and wars. I specifically stressed that Ethiopia is a strategic country and has the potential to raise the region out of poverty. But I also insisted that this should start with a mutually agreed upon framework whose first phase is to demarcate the border and respect the sovereignty of each other. I’m for a cooperation based on the respect of each other as sovereign states.
            3. I don’t want to delve into what others had to say (Dr.Abiy, PIA, or Wayane)
            4. Regarding “medemer,” it is a simple concept. It is in human nature. When communities started to settle, they started with city-states (first medemer), then nation-states (second phase of medemer), then multinational states (third phase); then continental (fourth), then global (fifth). Why can’t we think in that mindset? The UN, AU, EU, Arab League, and many other trade platforms are established to regulate and coordinate medemer efforts. I wrote some articles in Tigrigna on this regard.
            5. For Ethiopians, the main topic is access to the sea (please revise my reply to Amanuel). In addition, Eritrea should actually work hard to attract east African business, that is beyond Ethiopia. But the first natural stepping sone is Ethiopia, and we should work hard to please the Ethiopian business community. This is purely about business. Eritreans need to widen their thinking. What is the use of claiming 1000kmts of coastal lines with hundreds of islands if we can’t exploit them? Remember, it costs a fortune for nations to patrol their coastal lines. Therefore, it makes sense to exploit every kilometer square of them. We have to think to be competitive. If things go well, why not have a joint navy with Ethiopia? Many countries do that. Ethiopia secures its maritime interests and Eritrea shares the burden of securing a long coastal line. I don’t see any problem with that. Or Why not offer a lease to Ethiopia? Once we are out of the zero-sum game mindset, there are numerous combinations that could maximize the benefit to both countries.
            Regards.

          • Selam MS,

            Three things were in my mind: 1) the eritrean revolution started mainly by lowland muslim eritreans, 2) you used to stand vehemently against eritrea having anything to do with ethiopia, and at one point you even said that if eritrea has to go southwards she could as well go westwards, which means sudan, and 3) if the bejastan idea is still around or forgotten by some who entertained it. I do not know if these concepts have changed now due to the new political situation between ethiopia and eritrea, and i am not aware.

            Ethiopians and eritreans cannot form new relationships when hearts and minds are not there, and if each party looks after its short term interests. If it is about solutions that serve the present situations and do not have long term perspectives, and much more, it is not inclusive supported by most eritreans, it might fail at the end of the day, and ethiopians and eritreans may find themselves in a worse situation. That is why broad consensus is required on both sides, especially the eritrean side.

            As to the rest of your ideas, about cooperation and all the rest, i have no problem, provided it is meant for the benefit of both countries, and it is made on firm grounds.

          • MS

            Selam Horizon
            1. What has #1 to do with the current discussion; most revolutions or rebellions start from somewhere of a country and end up becoming national movements. The Eritrean revolution was a national project that involved almost corner of Eritrea.
            2. On #2: it is partially incorrect. I never said Eritrea would have nothing to do with Ethiopia, I explained it in detail in my previous reply. However, I sure do believe it should widen its horizon. What is wrong with the belief that if Ethiopia could make relations with Ethiopia (South), it also should expand its relations westward, eastward, etc. Isn’t this a normal situation of nations? How does it contradict with me saying Ethiopia and Eritrea could benefit better by mutually respecting rapprochement?
            3. on #3, Bejastan is not my idea; you will have to ask Ali Salim.

            The rest are mere conjectures, may be brought to please some of us. Thanks for that. How do you establish the fact that most Eritreans don’t support the current peaceful rapprochements? Again sorry, for repeating myself, but I had a commentary on this in Tigrigna: the mismatches of priority of the diaspora, one that makes its priority regime change, democracy and other high-end demands, and the priority of the people inside Eritrea who are happy that the war has ended and for the expectation that life will return to normalcy.
            My push is for the diaspora opposition t support the peace process (not necessarily the government) and that peace process will inevitably yield peaceful transition.
            I read some of the Denver Manifesto and the presentation of three gentlemen in one of the pal talks. Its weakest point is that it anchors on regime change, something that has been practiced for the last decades and something that people got fade up of. If there is a regime change non of the diaspora activists will hear about it until it is actually done. And by that time, they will either come aboard, or continue on their never-changing strategies of dislodging PFDJ from Denver or Geneva. Now, I know many tracers will shower me, so back to my trench pockets.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            M.S is not “run of the mill PFDJites”. He is unique in that he can easily and naturally camouflage his true beliefs and agendas depending on circumstances. He has his own true belief and agenda. There is absolutely no difference between him and Ali Salim when it comes to Ethiopia.
            Ali Salim is up front and tells you, and anyone else who listens about his convictions.

            MS would do and say anything to hide his true self. Watch him tap dance and break dance to detract and change topics to gain advantage.
            Recently, I caught him waving Ethiopian flag and calling the Ethiopian PM as “Abiyachin” in public. He was celebrating PIA’s declarations, if you can believe it. He has no shame in making 180 degree change without a turn signal.

            I give him credit for being an Eritrean patriot. All these waltzing he does is because he now believes Eritrean future depends on Ethiopian participation. However, he wants it on his term.
            Can you believe it, he now loves Oromos and Amharas, Amharas I say.

            There is nothing less he would love to see more than TPLF and the rest of Ethiopia in an all out civil war. Read some of his comments between the lines. He would love to see Ethiopia in a permanent intractable difficulty to level the playing field for Eritrea. He is a believer in the zero sum game when it comes to Ethiopia and Eritrea.
            For Ethiopia to embrace such individuals is akin to that story of a lady who embraces a sick snake.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Tplf is a party working for disintegration of ethiopia, tplf is a party looting ethiopian property, using gov institutions. Tplf is a killers , tplf is the one conspiring with foreign forces against ethiopia and so on. So there is no way, u k h the sla”e can accuse others for hating ethiopia while u supporting tplf(anti ethiopia force).

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            “TRUST” is the patient in the new ethio-eritrean relations that will gradually popup when the dust of the fanfare, hugging and self-congratulations settles.

            One is forced to ask where are the signs that the eritrean side means business? How can we say that this is not the story of the frog and the scorpion, brought by Saay? What’s the dividend for the ordinary eritrean up to now that has come out of the peace deal and the signing of documents, few of us know what they say? Nothing.

            Prisons are still hermetically closed, no change in the economic policy, no call for eritrean diaspora to invest in eritrea, the opposition is still demonized and no invitations forwarded, the young are still forgotten in the trenches despite peace deal, etc, and generally speaking, things remain as they are, when at the same time the exact opposite is happening in ethiopia.

            If i am not mistaken (i do not know the details), there seems to be the expectation that somethings may be announced in september. But, what if september comes and goes, as it has done over the last 2 decades? Here is a country where the whim of one man rules the land, and there is nobody who dares to tell him even in private as a friend, let alone in public, “no mr. president, this decision you are taking is not right”.

            The big question is, is it all about the survival of the regime and not about the unchaining of the people and giving them back their freedom? PMAA’s young age could be his advantageous point, but at the same time it could be his weakness. Does he know well whom he has to work with on the eritrean side? These are the same people who hated ethiopia in the past with all their guts, and they are raining sweet things about ethiopia today.

            Should ethiopia take for grunted any deal that does not reflect the people’s participation and wish, the signs of which are the opening up of prisons to free the incarcerated, a constitution, human rights are respected, etc.? In the absence of the above, any contract with the regime is a faustian contract, which maybe doomed to fail in the future.

            Why is that the eritrean boss has to visit bahir dar? Celebrations of tplf’s defeat must come to an end at one point, and at least ethiopians should start work, while expecting the new tigrayan party to join the eprdf. I cannot speak of a renovated tplf, because it is beyond repair.

            Finally, it seems that dia/pfdj have come to understand that they have bitten much more than they can chew, and the geopolitical situation is forcing them to see that the time has come when the enemy should be called in to participate. If as you said, it is going to be exclusively on their terms, things are going to be problematic.

            Nevertheless, there seems that some sort of push from the outside is working here. An eritrea that easily changes sides is better anchored on ethiopia for the sake of her own stability and prosperity, and guaranteed western interests that coincides with the interest of regional arab powers. Such agreements are better done with one man than 3.5m people. Just my wild guess.

          • saay7

            Horizon:

            The problem with us Eritrean people is that we have very short memories. For 20 years, Eritreans have speculated every Independence Day Eve and every New Years Eve that Isaias Afwerki would do something sane: pardon prisoners. He never does. This “September 1” dream is in the same vein; which would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic. For one thing, September 1 means absolutely nothing to Isaias: it’s a part of Eritrean history that he had nothing to do with. For another, the people who pick these dates (designed to stall and to give people false hopes) picked it only because it was the first national holiday.

            It’s not just Eritreans who have short memory. Sad to say that Ethiopians also have very very short memory. It’s one thing to say this guy is a demon but our national interest requires us sometimes to swallow hard and deal with demons. But all the aggressive campaign by your media to humanize a man credibly accused of presiding over a system that committed crimes against humanity?

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            So many things to say so little time.
            The visit to Baher Dar is such a bizarre event it boggles the mind. I hope they don’t fill the stadium with people and chant that Isu Isu or whatever to welcome him as blood brother.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Not just they fill the stadium but they fill downtown bahir dar too, but they might not show it to u, to prevent u s’n of a sl’ves from dying from heart attacks.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear K.H.

            Why on earth does a president of another country goes and visit another province without being accompanied by the PM (May be he will accompany him). But what political importance a president of a foreign government does visiting a state within the country.

            Unless he is going to stir the pot and create problems…..

            Back in the 1960 when the French president, De Gaulle, visited Quebec, and he made a speech and finished with “Vive le Québec libre”. And that changed the Canadian history forever, the French Canadians conducted two referendum for separation, and the last one nearly won and lost within 1%.

            I am not saying what he said was the real reason, but for sure it encouraged them that they had French backing if separated.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            What u saying ls like why is any heads of states visting outside of other countries capital?
            If PIA visit bahir dar for sure he will be a guest of 3A(federal gov) and that was the announcement and will be accompany by 3A.
            The rest what u said about franch example is just show, u have no clue what u talking about and it just show u r mad as hell. What a g ism.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear TA,

            Ok. ይሁንሊህ

            what I read is IA will visit the Amhara region and that’s to do with the reconciliation / peace deal they signed in Eritrea.

            Why is a leader of another country comes inside your country and reconcile anyone? Specially when the same country was hosting the same rebel group.

            Just think the opposite: Imagine if PMAA goes to Asab and reconcile the Afar opposition with Afar administration, while IA is sitting in Asmara.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Most probably what u read was from one of tplf fake newsr,
            Here is the news PIA will visit bahir dar and dassie and he will be federal gov guest.
            Sudan albashir , rownda kagame and so on did that before, i know what u guys thinking , u think there will be conspiracy, right?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            You don’t find it strange that, the two leaders met few times already in the past couple of months that he needs to visit so soon. I know our president he has nothing to do all day.

            Have you seen the tour he gave the South Sudan guy. We suppose to call the development that he spent last 5 years?

            That’s like six months project at the most, and what was there anyway except few solar panels and some dirt road and the water dam.

            I have to see other pictures.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            1, it is not always about conspiracy just like tplf, i know for tplf, conspiracy is natural, remember z asmara vs keren.
            2, PIA himself said ( when he was in addis last time), he will visit other part of ethiopia on the coming time,
            3, what makes u think PIA has to go all the way to bahir dar to conspire? Why not some other places? Natural thinking(that is how tplf think),

          • Berhe Y

            Dear TA.,

            The problem with you is everyone who criticize now your darling president “PIA” USA weyane.

            Last time I check he is Eritrean president, and so far he has not done a thing for Eritrea prisoners, opposition, indefinite deployed recruits etc.

            But he is very, very busy with Ethiopia.

            May be what he said is correct, he handed over the presidency to PMAA and he is there to report progress.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I’m kind of confused here. Isn’t Afar an Ethiopian territory?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I know what you are trying to say :). I was referring to the Eritrean Afar.

            Did you see the latest JTV?

            I never seen this Jossie guy before until I saw his interview when he come to Asmara. But I am surprised how many people knew him in Eritrea or they were pretending.

            I am sure it wasn’t him, but it’s too bad that none of the Tigrinya speaking artist where in attendance. I will find his contact and will email him, specially if he going to do the tour thing.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Since Ethiopia has relatively open media, the chat shows of USA’s have been directly imported in to the country. They virtually have the same formats: Operah, Leno and Littman shows. The hosts often Anglonised their names.

            I, too, have never seen this show before until someone had posted a video on this site. I have to say that his family’s re-union programme was touching and moving. I do not even know why no one has considered such noble cause in the past, despite the atmosphere was not conducive to raise the issue of family separations.

            Some of these children have never seen their fathers since left Eritrea. It is not their fault to be born to Ethiopian fathers. If it was not for his show these people would have been forgotten for ever. How cruel and tragic could be! I hope to watch his incoming shows when he runs the same format from Ethiopia.

          • Blink

            Dear David
            Is he Eritrean ? , Meles would have been died of heart attack. Seeing Eritreans meet their family is the ultimate death of Meles.

          • David Samson

            Selam Blink,
            He can’t be Eritrean as there is no independent TV, be it an entertainment, in Eritrea.

            Blink, we need to remove the political bit of the show; rather should see it from human prospects. I can’t attach the video link, but was posted on this site(I Think it is in Aby’s phenomenon post)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            He seems very genuine guy with a good heart. Specially for such a young person and it really is touching what he is doing. Specially when most are focused on business and opportunities he is doing this as a free service to help unite families.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            selamat BerheY:

            The biggest armed Opposition, #PG7 says thousands of its fighters will NOT be disarmed until law and order is restored by the new Dr. Abiy Admin. The group is also “working” with the new admin to postpone th upcoming elections due to the security issues in the country.

            I don’t know how reputable the journalist is but today Betemariam Hailu tweeted the above quote. If true, I think the “reconciliation” between Ethiopian gov and Patriotic Ginnot 7 (PG7) is more of Abiy and PG7, in preparation for some era of warlordism.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            This whole change thing is getting out of hand. I did not like PMAA dismisses all those in jail via government (judge issued) sentence without going through any sort of formal process before making the older decision nul and void. I said he should :

            1) pardon using his powers which means their crime stands but only letting them go.
            2) their case should be reviewed and their sentence reversed and set to go free.

            But in both cases, the PM is not above the law and respecting the law of the country how ever corrupted it might have been. Taking the power to his own hands creates problems.

            I hope he doesn’t not miss this opportunity to set the country on the right path and squander it.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Haha Berhe:

            If you want to have your mind really blown: remember the PG7 was all chiefs and no Indians. I doubt they have more than 50 fighters. All the intimidating looking numbers they showed on their videos were good old EDF, your brothers and mine. So it’s hard to disarm when you were never armed.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Haha Saay,

            Yeah I remember Mola asgedom mocking them:).

            I hope someone like Andergachew goes back and gets to win some sort of power. It will be a story with good ending and it will send message that it’s pisdibke to come to power through peaceful means.

            It will help end the cycle of power transfer through the barrel of a gun.

            I am not convinced anymore, that there was ever peacefull power transfer to begin with. I don’t know what to call it anymore, after listening to Dr. Debrezion press conference.

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            Afar has their own government based in Canada and Sweden , Abiy travel would not be possible to Asseb since this case The Afar state of Eritrea is based in the west .

          • haileTG

            Hello saay and MaHmuday,

            After long winded patience እቲ ጉዳይ ብትዕግስቲ ድሕሪ ምጽዋር፡ ትዕግስትና’ውን ደረት ስለዘለዎ፡ I have here by decided to EXPOSE MaHmuday or do a ማሕሙድ ሳልሕ መን’ዩ? piece on him, right now and right here, and also give my view on your prediction of IA’s next action vis-a-vis humiliating Eritreans.

            ማሕሙድ ሳልሕ መን’ዩ? Based on many discussions I had with Muhmuday on many issues, I don’t think he believes on half of what he says nowadays. It may well be that he thinks the opposition will be knocked into sense by his devil’s advocacy approach, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a person with deeper contemplation of Eritrea’s problems. Refer to several of letters he wrote to PFDJ in the past. I don’t think it is lost in him some of the inescapable dangers the nation is facing. I for one would find it impossible to discuss with him under the superficial assumption that he is your run of the mill PFDJista. Not by a long shot. I have followed his recent ideas from various sources, knowing him, I didn’t feel the typical reaction one gets when listening to a delusional supporter. The man has history, we watched his many debates to steer discussions towards nationalistic discourses that takes into account some salient fault lines. Do I believe his current approach to debate will add value to his overall aspiration for the country as transpired in our past discussions, no one will know. So, godspeed to Mahmuday.

            In your three possible scenarios above, I have a different take. If we look at the pattern here, IA takes steps that gradually removes any formal, legal or dignity related values that are associated with Eritrea. Here are some that went, and others in the pipeline IMO:

            1) Constitution/ press freedom/ independent juduciary

            2) Right to employment/movement/choice in education

            3) Right to invest/use hard currency/trade

            4) Right to family/freedom of religion/citizenship

            5) Final and binding legal resolution of conflict

            Next?

            6) Do away with Eritrean currency Nakfa

            7) Tamper with the country’s territorial integrity

            8) Tamper with the outcome of the referendum

            HGT

          • MS

            Selam Haylat the great

            I remember once telling you, you will finally come to where I would be at a certain juncture. We will meet someday and our paths will cross. SAAY, he know me better, I think. And what I’m doing lately is just shaking our thinking from its comfort zone of “we versus them” or “my way or the highway” thing and along the way I come to the forum primarily for fun because no body paid attention to my years of long Hatetas.
            I have always maintained that if we could only chill out and think in terms of practicable ways, I think most of us would agree that:

            1. The past trajectory of our political discourse must change; Both sides have had their share of blunders. (I have one article in the making addressed to bxaay IA and his party).
            2. We must push for calm debate aiming a national dialogue.
            3. I have no aspiration but to see an Eritrea that is much better than the one we liberated in 1991; we can do it; we have the chance; we should not commit another blunder this time, too. I will celebrate the day when new blood takes the helm of power.
            4. Thank you for your reasonable guess.
            Sorry, it is getting late and I must resign for the night.

          • haileTG

            Hey Tegadalay MaHmuday,

            You see, I think that our paths crossed a while back for me, and I take your concerns seriously. I think you chose a tricky time to prod the opposition እምበር’ከ ኩላ ሰብ ልባ ጠልጠል ኢልዋ’ከሎ ማሕሙዳይ ድማ ኣርኪቡ ኢሎም ከይሓምዩኻ …Haha Anyhow, on #3 above, I am sure it will come to pass, ንመን ኢልዎ እዝጊሄር/ረቢ ተስፋ’ውን ግደ’ለዎ።

          • Haile S.

            Selam ሞኽሲ፡ ማሕሙድ፡ ሳኣ7 and all

            መቸም እዞም ሓሜን ብየማንን ብጸጋምን ካብ ዝሰማዕናዮ ለቓቒብና እንዲና ንገጥም፣ ኣብ ዕላልኩም ካብ ዝሰማዕክዎ ዝለቓቐብክዎ እንሆ።

            ፕረዚ. ኢሳያስ ይመስል ዝንቱ
            ንሱ በዓል ክልተ ዓይኒ ካልእ ዕውራት ኣዒንቱ
            ዲፕሎማሲ’ዩ ዝነበረ ጽምኣቱ
            ኮክተይል እዩ ዝነበረ ጥምየቱ
            ናይ 20 ዓመታት ዓቕሊ-ጽበቱ

            መራሒ ንኽኸውን ተዃዒቱ
            ካብ ማህጸን ኣዲኡ እናቱ
            ዝተጠመቐሉ ከሎ ኣብ መዳሕንቱ

            ይጥመዩ ይጽምኡ ደቁ፡ ኣሕዋቱ፡ ኣሓቱ
            ኣብ መቑሕ ይጽንሑ ይቆራጠም መዓናጡ
            ንሱ ምስጸገበ ክረኽቡ እዮም ርፍታቱ
            ንሱ ኸማን እንድዕሉ እንተሃውቲቱ።

          • Saleh Johar

            Hey HaileTG (MS, please chime in if you wish)

            I am finding it hard to come to terms with the explanation that it was all about “prodding the opposition”. What if two or three comments later we see another U-turn that might be explained as prodding the PFDJ?

            Serious issues are not games and people should be called out for their public positions.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            I have come to terms with it by assuming MS is pulling a Colbert. You know how Stephen Colbert, a left winger satirist created a right wing character also named Colbert for his show The Colbert Report and pulled that act for years. Colbert hated cable news and their pundit. MS hates the opposition and that’s why you can’t distinguish the satire from the real thing 🙂

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks for the tip Saay,
            I know Colbert. C’mon Abu Salah. Colbert is consistent, hasn’t made a u-turn as many times in over a decade. His character is well established. In short, no thank you for the explanation but I understand your goodwill. But then, maybe All the Nhna-Nsu crowd could be prodding the tekalat opposition who have been on the receiving end for years. Why not! All the sellouts are counted on the opposition when they are a product of the TPLF-PFDJ wicked alliance that went sour. And the rest of the tekalat has to pay for their friendships and fallouts. As we see it clearly, all of us, the betrayal and dishonesty rope is still being untied from one entity to another to shape it like a noose and put it on the victims of the unholy alliances. Enough with U-Turns, it’s a Obe lane road. At least in this one.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Really? No Saay. MS was and is a solid supporter of the regime. He has never been they voice of the oppressed Eritrean people, be it as individual or as part of organized voice. All his comments or his articles were penned down to defend the regime in the name of the nation. He wasn’t acting like Steven Colbert nor did he made u-turns in his political position. One who congratulate the evil man at the helm of a government and one who rejected the CoI report regarding the “crime of inhumanity” can not claim to be the voice of the victim and the aggrieved Eritrean people.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Not really. MS had two positions he has been consistent about:

            1. The PFDJ has been abusive to Eritreans.
            2. The opposition has been compromising Eritrea.

            Depending on the week, he emphasizes 1 or 2 above. Now, he considers the peace with Ethiopia a game changer. He feels that the PFDJ is on its last legs, change is coming and what kind of change comes and how quickly it comes will depend on whether the opposition continues to be a spoiler or not.

            You don’t have to agree with it; I certainly don’t. But his positions is very different from those who say the PFDJ is near perfect and has done almost everything right and all opposition (“so-called opposition”) are sell outs and traitors. I can list all the differences using his paper trail if you still need evidence.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah saay,

            Do you have any clue which direction the anticipated change is going to move in the mind of MS? Now, you heard that the great capo has said his word: Everything should be done and said within the dictum “one people in two countries”, which MS did not miss to grasp. The gravest challenge in the pursuit of search for changes is when the grey area population are larger than either side of the equation.

          • saay7

            Hala Ismailom:

            I thought the Pareto Principle also applies to politics, no?

            I sense that our friend kbur MaHmuday is very tired of explaining himself and even more tired of people explaining him. But I do sense all the “bxay Isaias” is said tongue in cheek. I mean IA has shown over and over and over that “bxay” (comrade) means nothing to him. Eritrea’s prison and asylum cases are full to the rim of people who once called him “bxay.”

            saay

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            With all due respect, I can ask you back, “And who made you the voice of the victims and aggrieved Eritrean people?” The truth is that each of us is fighting within himself (to adjust and perfect his positions) and against demons we can’t control.
            I welcome you back brother for commenting on me, but let’s be real. Either we can keep self-congratulating and keeping our distance from each other or we come closer to each other and appreciate the different viewpoints each of us bears. There is only one truth; the rest is all about the result of differing perceptions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I just stated some of the obvious positions you took that are detrimental to the lives of the Eritrean people. For instance, to congratulate (a) to a man who devour our people (b) to a man who sent our citizens to foxhole prison and make them die without seeing one day in the court of justice(c) to a man who suffocate the entire population by force and intimidation (d) to a man who made our young generation to leave our country in droves and die in deserts and high seas (e) to a man who denied the dead bodies of Eritreans to have rest in peace in their homeland (f) to a man who sent under age children’s to prison for making demonstrations, will in no way your congratulation will add voice to our victims.

            Second, you openly commented against the CoI report that expose the crimes of the regime, that might amount to crimes against humanity, will in no way reflect as the voice for the victim. Now you could correct me if I misstated your position on these two. A criminal despot who continued to deny justice to our people, will in no way should be congratulated, simply because, he made a peace agreement with our neighbor country.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Sal, (I think we need a serious talk 🙂

            I agree with people having to be “called out” for their public positions. But who will be doing the calling out, when everyone owns a public position these days? Karma?? Don’t get me wrong, I believe in karmic processes, albeit not in the informal way people use it, but as an unavoidable fact of life. If you catch one end of a stick then the stick has also caught you because if I pull the other end of it, you’ll get pulled too because it is holding on to you. That is my karmic process in a nutshell. So, in the absence of an uninterested judge, the calling out thing becomes futile.

            Secondly, Mahmuday is a very civil character who neither provokes nor attacks others senselessly. Often times, he is defending himself or reacting to unwelcome impositions that he senses. I do disagree with many of the positions he is taking lately, but fully defend his rights to hold and advance those views and approaches that he wishes to follow. Now, he is very qualified person to defend in this way because he does not go out to personally infringe on others right to express (not sure what your experience is though, for me he is a heck of a decent guy).

            So leaving all to karmic processes and defending other’s right to say their piece even if we find it objectionable, let me treat it you all to one of Eritrea’s greats: Wedi Tkabo’s best Kirar concerto 🙂

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGr-p6BLfwU

          • MS

            Ahlan wo sahlan Saleh
            With due respect, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, I feel the political climate is so polarized, and there is just so much in between to be had. I put my manifesto up for everybody to see, several times, and SAAY summarized it a couple of times. So, if you see me crossing paths with either side, it is probably the said side has a topic or a position that agrees with mine. I’m not of the opinion that discards either side. There are areas that the government has fought on that I find agreeable with my principles, and there are areas on which I agree with the opposition. I oppose the strategies the opposition has pursued not the objectives they claim to attain. No body I know including in PFDJ objects to change. The type of position I hold will be mocked by the militant portion of both sides, but I know there are many who appreciate it. So, generally, the gray area may be greater than the black and white combined. We need to push for calm dialogue.
            Regards.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmuday,
            I read your comment and I had the urge to reply. But then I chose to sleep with it…”I am not ignoring you”, since you are saying it to others nowadays 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmoud,
            I would like to double your due respect from the bottom of my heart. But since we are not discussing individual issues, being frank is the rule, as you would agree.
            If you remember, I cannot remember the number of times I and you had a go at each other regarding your unqualified blanket accusation that you are fond of throwing at your favorite target, the opposition. I have repeatedly appealed to you to recognize the opposition is not monolithic and to please stop your blanket condemnations. You would apologize, in the customary hypnotize them way, only to repeat what you apologized for a few days later. That my friend makes your apology not worthy to those who are hurt by your attacks. Also, you seem to delve in the old ELF-EPLF feud that time has laid mercy on, and you see to look at people’s positions with that prism. I have gone through that experience and anyone who been there can discern the source of that, unlike people who have no clue why Mahmoud is saying such stuff.
            My friend, the ELF is done with in 1982, thanks to your alliance with the TPLF, a pestering wound that is still being felt in our political divide, what you recognized as “the political climate [that] is so polarized.”
            Dear Mahmoud, even if you agree with the PFDJ, I think you shouldn’t explain it in a spiteful way as you do. For example, I agree with the PFDJ’s views on some NGO’s, but I do not make that as if my ;position is formulated to irritate “the opposition”, Ala Faccia, the Italians call it—Paulos can translate that it in Asmarinogna.
            What irritates me more is that you are able to to be magnanimous but often ou come as spiteful, working hard to annoy others, willing to insult a thousand people just to get at one. Why Mahmoud? Why? I will give you an example: in your response to Ghezae, you discredited all the struggle all opposition members did to deny the regime source of income. Now, you could have a different view about that, and as you said, “ነዛ ርኢቶና ክንህብ ‘ኳ ክንድ’ዚ ዝረዓድኩም፡ በትረ-ስልጣን ምስ ዓተርኩም ደኣ እንታይ ከም ትገብሩ ርኢናልኩም ኣለና። ናይ ውሽጥኹም ሽግራት ክትፈትሑ ዘይከኣልኩምስ ናይ ሃገር ሽግራት ክትፈትሑልና!!?” See that Mahmoud,
            You are ant addressing Ghezae, but in trying to get at him, you switched to the plural, as you always do, without any qualifiers or disclaimers. Did you notice this website is a declared opposition website, and why can’t this or other opposition websites be an example of what will be the fate of freedom of expression in Eritrea instead of lambasting everyone?
            Here is a disclaimer, with the exception of two people, I do not know of anyone from my close colleagues, and they are in the hundreds, who aspires to be a leader. Most of them, like me, simply want to return home and live unmolested. Is that too much to ask for a citizen? Why do you mock that quest for rights, that quest for freedom in one’s own country? If I were you, maybe I would have claimed you are doing what you do because you are preparing the ground of any eventuality when you decide to be accepted by your old colleagues. But I am not saying that, I do not want to insult you or anyone else, unless it is a declared person aiding and abetting the cruelest regime to reign in Eritrea.

            Mahmoud, the opposition has enough to worry about, we shouldn’t be subjected to frequent jabs from those we trusted. Then, one can either recognize the struggle is just or not. There is no grey area there. But naturally, one can have observations, we all have. However, the way you put your objections and criticisms defines whether it is spiteful or out of concern. And the tone takes care of that. Your recent posts have all been spiteful, as if meant to inflict the worst damage on those whose lives have become the struggle. But failure and victory is not the measure of certain goals. Remember how many people were mocking the struggle when there were setbacks? Remember how many of our colleague surrendered to the enemy because they believed the struggle will not make it to the finish line. Remember how combatants persevered in spite of all that? The struggle is going through similar trepidations. But the goal of lofty ideals, that of freedom, justice and dignity will be pursue, no matter what. You know all of that, please do not consider it condescending, but I am just pouring my heart because what you have been doing lately is so saddening to me. And it has a damaging effect of those you would want to hurt if you just knew them in person, if you just could internalize their life long struggle and the pain they feel for being away from the land for which they wasted their youthful life, now being mocked by those who should lend them a helping hand, or recognize their pain, or just be respectful enough—such is the majority of the opposition, the lackeys are just a minuscule portion of it, even if that is also our load that we have to carry along—Medemer also works in Eritea particularly when many want to be added in the Abiy basket. Isn’t that ironic? Wanting to be added with Abiy while condemning “the opposition” wholesale?l.
            Mahmoud, one of the main issues of the criticism you level against the opposition is its fractured state. That, while you very well know that a successful struggle requires a combined effort. Now, how can we achieve that if everyone considers himself a single cell floating on its individual orbit while mocking and demoralizing the body it is supposed to move in tandem with? Maybe that is not possible in some instances, call it choice of circumstances. But if you cannot join hands, or support it publicly, can’s you at least save it from your attacks?

            Now this is becoming as long as a “Mahmouday Hateta” and I better stop here.
            NB: This is truly what I believe and would like you to consider seriously. I know deep down, there is no malice intended but I would be dishonest if I denied am disappointed.
            DeHan meye melehey.

            NB: I can ahrdly open my eyes anymore, so tired, I am sure you will excuse any typos

          • Ismail AA

            Dear SJ, Id mubarak,

            “ነዛ ርኢቶና ክንህብ ‘ኳ ክንድ’ዚ ዝረዓድኩም፡ በትረ-ስልጣን ምስ ዓተርኩም ደኣ እንታይ ከም ትገብሩ ርኢናልኩም ኣለና። This is not our good brother Mahmoud’s contention. It a pattern that I had been hearing since long from regime surrogates. It can only be a calculated centrally issued that has found space in the mindset of those people. I remember, when pushed a bit harder, some of them used to be candid, and used to retort እንታይ ኢኩን ትብሉና ዘለኩም፥ ዓብደላ ይምጻእ ድኩም ትብሉና ዘለኩም. Simply stated, it’s a kind of stigma that the regime has viciously instilled in the minds of those people.

            By the way, I vote for everything you have written in this entry and I hope our good brother Mahmoud would pauze and contemplate on them. I have been in the opposition since 1963 (student days) but never considered myself lackey to any foreign entity or person. I have been member of an organization that has been doing its modest bit to the opposition work since 1991, but never thought myself or thousands of colleagues, some of them dead, as a lackey of Woyane or any god Mahmoud could imagine.

          • MS

            Ahlan Ustaz
            I appreciate your input. I hope to continue it after the Eid holiday. Happy Eid Al-Adha to you, your family, friends, and humanity.

          • Paulos

            Muhamuday,

            I wonder if you have Tylenol handy every time you debate Sal. You can’t possibly beat the guy. He has a remarkable knack for micro-anatomy of details and spotting weakest links of counter-arguments.

            P.S. Would you say, 195 nations and one people? Well, the fundamental law of Biology says, “Every Living Organism Has A Parent.” That means, we all can trace back to a common ancestor much less close proximity between Eritrea and Ethiopia.

          • MS

            Ahlan Paulosay
            With SAAY, it is not a debate, it is like having a conversation over cups of coffee. We call it Hjk (transliterated: hejek) in Tigrayet and you guys call it Elal. I would never set to debate SAAY, are you nuts?

          • Paulos

            Muhamuday,

            Camels live on long term memory? Why would they need a long term memory? Any trait, if it is not advantageous for the survival of the species, it gets selected against.

            Question is, what would a Camel need to survive in an inhospitable environment as in a desert? It would need a very efficient Kidney so that it can conserve fluid in a bid to traverse long treks along the desert. When say, the Sahara desert was a green biomass thousands years ago, those mammals or reptiles who didn’t adopt to the gradual change were selected against and were not able to pass on their genes to the next generation. Those who adopted by developing a Kidney that can conserve fluid by concentrating their urine were able not only to pass on the fittest genes to the next generation but became an emblem of the Eritrean psych as well 😂.

          • MS

            Hey Paulosay
            Abi knows I’m seHab Gemel, and I can tell you that camels remember things long after people have forgotten them. If you mistreated a camel, be sure he will revenge it one day.
            Also, on the natural selection side, camels would need to develop a “cognitive map” of their treks because the desert lacks referential points such as mountains and galleys. The water holes and the food sources are sparse. Just off my n’shto Hangol.

          • Paulos

            Muhamuday,

            That is really smart. I didn’t know about the in-built GPS. Thanks for the lesson.

            On migrating birds, when the season changes, they travel for thousands of miles and the assumption for the spot on navigation is a quantum effect as in Entanglement where their brain is in tune with Earth’s magnetic field. Let’s not stop learning! And pass it on to the new generation!

          • MS

            Ahlan Paulosay
            It is interesting. Sometimes, it just raises the point that we may need to redefine “intelligence,” because there are examples in nature that show we might not be the most , if intelligence is about adaptation and survival, just look into the unicellular world.

          • Paulos

            Muhamuday,

            Very true in the sense that, the unicellular world might not have what we call self-awareness where-as, the multicellular world owns self-awareness where it is limited to the mechanisms of survival. Animals for instance are hard wired to sense immediate danger and react instinctively but they don’t possess the know-how for a long term plan.

            Humans on the other hand own not only self-awareness based on how to evade danger but we are aware that we are thinking as well. The latter is of course attributed to our relatively massive brain and larger volume of the grey-matter as well.

            The deal is however, in a strictly reductionist take, we are collections of unicellular organisms and it has been established time and time again that, we as in humans and unicellular organisms are made of precisely the same building blocks. The difference is only in scaling.

          • MS

            Hey Paulosay
            I agree, concise yet a great clarification. Thanks a lot.

          • Beyan

            Greetings Gentlemen,

            Interesting you are discussing the unique traits of camel and its omnipresence in Eritreans’ memory bank. The ever ubiquitous presence is felt not just through the emblems within the Eritrean proper but also in our memories of it be it during the struggling years or for those who were lucky enough to have had interactions in close proximity with it.

            As sheer coincidence would have it, I bought three books in the Atlanta Festival, two of which are in Tigrinya and one of which is a memoir by a close friend of mine, Zebiba Shekhia. I haven’t had a chance to open it until yesterday. Her being originally from Tekreret, she’s had childhood memories of camels. Let me quote her word for word. Camel she says had “dominant feature in [her] childhood landscape”. Please read on:

            “…I vividly remember camels and their owners walking through the village trading goods. The camel is an amazing animal, intelligent, gentle, and beautifully graceful to watch. They really can travel for long periods without water because when the drink, they accompany it, literally, with buckets of salt. The would scoop large quantities of salt on their long tongues just like it was ice-cream, and then drink water out of the same bucket. Because of their stamina, camels played a crucial role in the Eritrean struggle for independence, and it is why the camel is on Eritrea’s currencies and other important emblems that one finds enshrined on various important public insignia. It was on a camel that I fled Eritrea…

            “There are numerous songs and works of art, by many artists, dedicated to the camel. The Eritrean appreciation of a camel is endless, but I remember the camel in its more humble functions. In my village, the camel man and his steed were the grocery store and mall all wrapped into one. He would bring vegetables and chickens, just like I see the mail carriers delivering letters here in the U.S.

            “The whole economic system, actually, was dependent on that wonderful beast. On a daily basis, people from the countryside would have their camel carry various goods to sell, everything from wood fro cooking , milk for daily consumption, and tea and sugar for our daily ceremony (our version of the Spanish/Mexican “siesta”).

            “From a small girl’s point-of-view, I found this huge creature a work of art. When the tradesmen brought their camels to sell their goods. I could feel the peacefulness of these wonderful creatures, the elegant way in which they walked, the artistic style in which the camel man whistled and spoke to his camels to sit with huge piles of goods upon their backs.

            “I was always fascinated by the meticulous way in which the camel seamlessly folded its legs so as to not cause any damage to the things that it carried. I sear the camel knew that what it carried was fragile compared to its great weight. I remember thinking that when the camel went through its graceful process of sitting down, it looked like a mountain was coming down to its knees just for me so that I could see its fascinating hump” (“Building the Impossible: A Refugee’s Journey of Giving Back,” pp. 4-6).

          • Haile S.

            Selam Beyan,
            Thank you for bringing this book and the great author to our knowledge. The sentence “In my village, the camel man and his steed were the grocery store and mall all wrapped into one” sums it all. For the highlanders the Camel was a lifeline in that it brought the salt, the clothing and all other bodily decor. ኣግማል መጺኤን meant a long awaited sigh of relief. Songs heralding the seasonal coming of the camels were some of the most common children’s songs that I use to hear when going to my parents villages. ኣግማል መጺኤን and the songs I cannot recite now were replaced by ቤላ ሮባ (bella roba) during the Italians administration.
            Paulos, here you go Beyan replaced me and Abrehet for the beautiful stories you were asking us to come with. Abrehet, hope is okay, will remember some of these ገመል songs.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            This is what I love about all of you guys. The stories you all tell and the wisdom the rest of us squeeze out of is simply extraordinary! It feels like a perfectly choreographed movement of ideas.

            Muhamuday comes to say something, then someone adds something to it, Beyan spices it and Hailat digs in to match the ongoing thread with his buried treasures. This is Gold! Yea, I miss ፍትውቲ ሓፍተይ! Hope she is Well!

          • MS

            Selam Beyan
            Thanks for the great rejoinder. There are two species of animals that capture the folklore of Tigre society. They are the camels and cows. And both animals happen to be gentler than the others, as well as important in the sustenance of life of the society.
            In addition to Zebiba’s reminiscence, camels are easy to train, and they retain the training, which goes with the long term memory I discussed with Paulosay. There were legendary camels in the EPLF that would observe silence, or approach trenches crouching, or lay low when are fired upon, identify the noise of fighter planes, etc.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam guys Beyan and others,

            You are talking about the noblest among noble animals. Many societies adore and celebrate camels not because what the owners give but for what camels give them: hard work, endurance of perseverance that frees owners from worry about water and fodder on long journeys and much more. In some societies like our highland dwellers get from donkeys (though hardly comparable to camels) what lowlander get from camels. But, donkeys are most despised and vilified to the extent of being used as analogies for humans they slight as idiots. In the Eritrean context, it was the struggle during hardship days that introduced the value of camel to our compatriots in the highlands.

            Till then it was ገመል/ሰሓብቲ ገመል vituperative loaded attitudes towards the owner. Though deserved and gracefulness to celebrate the camels as symbol on the state seal, it surprised me it was chosen over lion or other powerful member in the cat species considering the cultural and social mindsets of those who call the shot in post-liberation life of the country. The paradox is that the humans and the social milieu who introduced the camel were left out from sharing the benefit with the camel. Most of them, veterans (heroes and heroines) during the testing times of the struggle died either in dungeons or left neglected to die exile. Probably the camel on the state seal had found place on order papers that sent them to expire in fox-holes or awaiting their last days in there.

            There is a telling anecdote by one of the first unit of veterans under the great Awate. When he saw the image of the camel on the banknote of the regime commented and said ላገማል ዓድ ኣታ፡ ወሳሕብ ገማል እትከዳን ታርፋ. He died in Kassala, Sudan and is resting still in exile. May the soul of the great Osman Shanab rest in eternal peace.

          • Blink

            Dear MS
            Camel is also an agile walker , Camel milk is richer in fat and protein than cow milk , the fact that camel can only sweat when the temperature is above 40-42 degree itself is simply amusing creature.

            Every summer time I used to go to my grand pa small village and enjoy my summer time looking at camel also traveling to market and from market to home ( what a time that I can’t forget). What a creature . In 2006 my grand pa cried on Telephone to tell me the death of his old camel at the age of 43 years, I can still listen to that voice and the way he loved his camel was simply beyond words.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hayaka Allah Al-Ustath Abu Salah,

            Really, you have made me laugh. It is a master’s stroke, ha ha ha ……

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Mahmuday,

          “It would be a plus if TPLF got levelheaded and read the signs of the time.”

          1. TPLF initiated the peace process withing EPRDF many are enjoying now.

          2. TPLF leadership called for peace in public and declared its acceptance of the peace process already underway.

          3. All key towns of Tigray held rallies in support of peace with Eritrea recently.

          4. All Tigrayans interviewed in public recently showed their kinship with the Eritrean people in no uncertain terms.

          How levelheaded does TPLF need to be in relation to what it is getting from the PFDJ camp?

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Fanti the Gentleman,
            How come you do not have the answer to that? The TPLF has to get a gun, aim at its temple, and pull the trigger. Nothing less than that would please “Abiyachin,” “Issu”, and their human herds.

            It’s becoming so 18th-century palace intrigue and those who pay for such gambling are sick and tired of this old elite rivalry. Sickening. Any other excuse is just to achieve the complete defeat of the other.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Saleh J

            Interesting terminology. “Abiyachin” ” Issu” and their human herds? How superior of you :). And wasn’t there was a detailed back and forth recently on dehumanization and its perils in this very forum. Also by any definition you (and most of us in Awate) are active participants of the old elite rivalry and guess what? palace intrigues are part of the games elites play. The complete victory part is just a manifestation of Marxist power politics and nothing to complain about this late in the game. Anyway believe it or not Abiy’s human herds just want tplf to reform and democratize in fact not doing so is what is suicidal for tplf. And I’m not sure what Issu’s herds have to do with anything. Probably a rhetorical flourish introducing symmetry for the purposes of illustrating complete mindlessnes?

            cheers

          • Saleh Johar

            AligazG,
            Thanks, dear,
            But this despicable intrigues was going on before Marx was born. It’s good to remember it has its victims who suffered from it for centuries. And if they cannot attain their emancipation as citizens, at least you should tolerate their screams (because you said you are part of the games–expensive game and heavy stakes, mind you.

            I really do not care about Ethiopian internal politics, I just wish you resolve it in a mature way and not resort to the ancien regime tactics that cost the region greatly. I have lived long enough to realize the fire that ignites in Ethiopia, eventually spreads to every country, more so Eritrea. So, no excuses of Marxism or Janhoism–we need an enlightened approach that recognizes (and reconciles) past grievances. Unless there is a proper closure for our bitter experiences, I assure you it will be a merry-go-round. But this power politics that Ethiopian keep squashing from one region to another, from one group to another, came (and is still coming) at a very high cost. Recognizing that is only a sign of civility. We all need to remember we all have to reform. But asking someone to reform smells of arrogance, as if the sayer is reformed. Who decides that? The gun? Dirty politics? Going back to the old palace intrigues and inciting the people against each other?

            Thank you and I hope you take my comment in the spirit it was composed.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Saleh

            Actually pre Marx there was honor and chivalry on the battle field in Ethiopia. Only the fascist Italians insisted upon a war of annhilation but they lasted just 5 yrs. But come the theology of Marx, the ends justified the means and everything now comes out of the barrel of a gun. The civility you speak of demands the rehumanizing of former enemies. Democracy likewise. This is a great service you do by running Awate. But for the sake of politeness I will accept you are not part of any elite and humbly receive your comments in the spirit composed. Now please stop attacking Abiy.

            cheers

          • Mez

            Dear Aligaz G,

            No Saleh J will not stop attacking Abiy. For two reasons. a) he is uncomfortable with him, and b) he don’t know how to deal with him.

            Their combination makes things even worest.

            Thanks

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Mez

            Why not wait for Saleh to respond? Not everything is personal.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mez,
            That I am uncomfortable with him is your diplomatic wording.

            a) The truth is that I do not like his politics and his preaching when he is supposed to be a leader of 100 million people.
            b) I am not his equal, if I was, I would know how to deal with him equally. But as a writer and a stakeholder, I know how to deal with him and I am doing exactly what I should do with the tools at my disposal.

            You forgot c), his politics is dangerous and as the euphoria subsides, its signs are being exposed by the day.

            But thank you for trying to explain my position.
            Cheers

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam AligazG,

            I think you are forgetting me and you have the same access and experience in the history of the region. Pre-Marx (even until the two decades ago) the concept of an honorable fight was not there. But that depends on which side one stood. I can hardly define burning villages and the massacring their unarmed inhabitants as honorable and chivalrous. Please realize this is not hyperbole, I am an eyewitness since elementary school age. I understand it takes the very experience to understand that, but honestly, I am astonished by how so many people lack discernment. But I take that as a tax of evolution and I always hope we will be better than our old selves. And that is why I try to remind people that there is so much pain and that pain is still being inflicted mercilessly. I have been an ardent advocate of reconciliation, one based on truth and aiming at a closure. So far, there is no critical mass that understands the situation, but I will keep fighting. I am sure you understand that such a noble goal requires more struggle, and more sacrifice and I have been branded, threatened, and defamed for what I advocate. That is one reason Abiy’s elementary arithmetic doesn’t appeal to me. I consider it a seemingly slick shortcut meant to bamboozle the naive, and it will never take us to the destination. Here, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, that his destination is my destination albeit in a crooked way. Such a quest requires an honest approach, not a sales pitch–and I am a marketing person by profession until what I do now took me astray.

            I thought the end justifies the means is a Machiavellian dictum, not Marx. But every color of ideology has subscribed to it. Abyssinian warlords and feudal powers used it before Machiavelli and Marx, I think, though they used swords, spears and bow arrows instead of guns. Centuries ago, Abu Tayeb Al Mutenebi, a famous (but sickeningly racist) Arab Poet said, teAadedet Al asbabu wel mout waHidu, (The means may differ but death is just the same).

            I am totally sold on the idea of civilizing our demands and discussions–that has been my mantra and if I was not afraid of boring you, I would have given you links to speeches I gave and articles I wrote about the subject since the early nineties.

            In fact, I will give you two links so that you understand my position. 1) and 2) and there is more where that comes from 🙂

            Thank you for the compliment, but I lost dear friends and colleagues, I buried several of my close friends in the struggle for peace, freedom and human dignity. Their sacrifice for a just cause cannot be equaled be it by founding a website or anything I can do. I walk with the burden of that obligation and I must stay true to it.

            On Abiy, I wish I could. In fact, my friends can tell you I was excited when he first appeared. An Ethiopian friend wrongly compliments me for being the first to speculate his election. My excitement didn’t last long.

            I am not sure how you see it, but anyone who gives life to Isaias, and worse, praises and polishes him, is not someone I would hold remotely dearly. We have been there before when the TPLF and EPLF conspired to play partisan politics prematurely and disrupted our political, religious and regional balance–an adventure for which we are still paying. I live for the Eritrean cause and I am sure you will understand my justification when I say that is my yardstick for everything. And compromising that position is not in my calculations, at all. So, as long as he empowers my tormentor, I will hold my position towards him. Try, but you will not find a more honorable position for me to adopt. And I am sorry the feeling of some people might be hurt because of my position on Abiy. But think of it, there are many Eritreans whose feeling is hurt because of my views on the PFDJ. And I do not need to state if they are right or wrong because it would be silly to argue for the support of the PFDJ

            Dear Aligaz, I sense your comments are genuine and from the heart, and I tried to reciprocate. I hope I didn’t fail you.

            Cheers

          • Aligaz G

            Saleh

            What you are witnessing in Ethiopia is democratization which is a messy process. The people are like a herd of horses who having passed through the desert reached an oasis and once the sweet scent of water fills their parched nostrils – impossible to hold back. Abiy showed the way to water which is hope and this is why he is revered. There are all kinds of leaders but the response to Abiy is phenomenal. Difficult to understand if you are not on the ground. Don’t allow style to trump substance. Yes the overzealous embrace of Issayas is problematic and overly dramatic a little like mischievously showing the keys to the kingdom but peace overwhelms everything. When there is extraordinary goodwill from the people of Ethiopia towards the people of Eritrea fairness and honesty will dictate the rest. But first there must be peace. We can debate history all day but what is undeniable is that your generation showed the way in Eritrea but was compelled to stay in the desert unable to enter the oasis for 27 yrs. Maybe that time will come soon God willing.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aligaz,

            If you and Saleh would allow me to interject, I felt you came one sentence short: a sentence that tells the reader the keys to gates of which kingdom was the despot shown. How would peace in Ethiopia tell whether it is not to reinforced kingdom of despotism the Eritreans already are suffering under. I thought the logic in the argument is like saying leave us alone to make peace for our selves even if it is at your expense and we will see what the fate of peace for Eritreans later. Or I misunderstood your line of thinking?

          • Aligaz G

            Ismail

            Let me wish you and all Awatistas all the best this special day.

            The kingdom is the one lost in 1991. The implementation of the peace agreement, the normalization and strengthening of relations are in no way against democracy and human rights in Eritrea. At this time the Eritrean opposition is fragmented, disorganized and disheartened. TPLF not only encouraged fragmentation but was hardly going to assist in the democratization of Eritrea.TPLF itself is hardly a paragon of democracy and human rights. Therefore the opposition need to deal with the causes of internal dissension in order to help create the focus and unity of purpose required to democratize Eritrea. Surely you were not expecting TPLF to militarily install a democratic govt for you in Asmara. The best you could have expected in that scenario would have been a puppet regime. Addis is not ignoring democracy and human rights in Eritrea but right now it is irresponsible not to deal with the bad relations with Eritrea as it was poisoning the entire Horn region. Ethiopia itself has not yet passed through the democratization process itself just baby steps.

            cheers

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aligaz,

            Your wishes for the Id is sincerely reciprocated with many thanks.

            I consider much of what you have penned in this entry emanate from genuine good will as citizen of a nation in need of peace with perspective to the future. But I think you won’t contest the fact that stakeholders who manipulate politics as means to an end under given time and opportunities do not work that way.

            As Eritreans, we are trying to address our concerns to our Ethiopian brothers that the partner you are dealing with is an unbridled brutal despot who has been holding the population in open field prison for decades. In such realities, well meaning hopes that peace and normalization would mellow him to relax his iron grip on power is as good as hot summer mirage on the horizon.

            This being the case, thus, what we are saying to Ethiopians is that you have got all the right to choose what ever serve your national interest. We neither oppose you benefiting from peace and normalization, nor can we in fact halt you adopting any position you deem right. But, telling us that attainment of peace and democracy for ourselves through normalization with cruel regime would eventually bear fruit for democracy amounts to mockery of the wit of Eritreans. Briefly stated, our Ethiopian brothers and sisters should not tell us that what they are engaged is for sake of themselves and the oppressed people in Eritrea. Do not tell us that putting resources and financial capabilities in the hands of the despot will satiate his ego for repression and torment and come out one happy morning and read declaration that allows Eritreans to break the chains and embark on future of freedom.

            Simply put, the Eritrean and the Ethiopian peoples have long term vested interest in democracy and peace. Its duration is contingent on blossoming of freedom and personal liberties in both countries. Expressing solidarity as intent to that end does not jeopardize the work towards peace with which the state of affairs of the Eritrean opposition have nothing to do.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Ismail

            I have carefully read your post. You do realize peace and normalization were in the pipeline long before Abiy? It is simply not possible for any political arrangement in the Horn to succeed if it means throwing the people of Eritrea under the bus. Having said this please read carefully what I wrote above including about the state of the Eritrean opposition. If not Issayas then whom? Democracy in Eritrea can only come through the combined efforts of the Eritrean people to suggest external pressure as a remedy is simply not realistic. The take home lesson from the last 20 years is that external pressure from the Ethiopian side will not lead to regime change in Eritrea.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aligaz,

            True, democracy and removal of the despotism in our country is authentic domestic affair. The Eritreans have enough national experience on how to determine their destiny. Actually, we are not demanding our Ethiopian neighbors or any other force for that matter to act in lieu of us in determining our fate. I think this misconception should be corrected. The point of discussion about the current Ethio-Eritrea affairs involve moral and conscientious level of concern. The contention that current needs of Ethiopia for peace and normalization impel dealing with the dictators is not subject to gainsaying simply because it fits in the rights and prerogatives of a sovereign nation.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Ismail the Free spirited man,

            If you notice, many people, Ethiopians included, have a cartoonish understanding of the Eritrean situation. Unfortunately, many Eritreans also have a scaringly biased view or a cartoonish understanding of the opposition, its goals, and the reason it exists. I can give you an example: asking Isaias to implement his constitution from an opposition platform? Yes, I will also ask the scorpion to give me a cure after the sting. But I believe in the end, as HaileTG put it, the edifice will collapse even if it is on its own weight and then Eritreans will have to deal with the consequences. That is why it is better if people wisen when we still have time.

          • Ismail AA

            Good morning SJ,

            I concur with what you have stated in regard to [cartoonish] perceptions about the opposition that is very much rife more among the nationals than aliens is shortcoming that has been quite costly to the opposition as well as to the nation itself. These are mindsets that suffer from propensities towards believing what those in authority say than what the injured say.

            Moral and practical submission to wielders of authority once they sit on saddle of power willingly or instinctly succumb to the attitude that monarchs and dictator president do not err and have monopoly to truth. Their opponents are guilty before and after they are proven guilty. One of the devasting hurdles before the opposition is penetrating that wall of delusion that shield the oppressors and tormentors of peoples.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti g
            Don’t forget tplf also said and did, everything that u said above before1998 war.

          • saay7

            Hey Fanti:

            Right now, we have:

            1. One very emotional Isaias Afwerki (Eritrean President)
            2. One even more emotional Abiy Ahmed (Ethiopian PM)
            3. One cold-as-ice Dr Debretzion (Tigray region president*)

            It’s like watching a fire and ice show.

            Absent from the show: the president of the other Ethiopian regions, the Eritrean opposition.

            saay

            * the way to figure out how a non-member of Tigray parliament can be its president is to add the word “acting” in front of it. Nice.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, I think it is “vice” not “acting”; I guess acting would have made better sense

          • saay7

            Abe:

            He used to be vice. Then he had the same problem OPDO had with Lemma: they wanted Lemma but he wasn’t MP so they made the MP (Abiy) the chairman of OPDO. Abiy is only a PM because the bylaws of EPRDF excluded the one people hungered for: Lemma.

            In TPLF, they wanted the VP Dr Debretzion promoted to pres but he wasn’t MP. So they said hey let’s call it “Acting Pres.”

            Anyway, if you remember in our “heart vs mind” debate with Haile TG, I tend to be very suspicious of heart politicians (you can’t tell them apart from demagogues) and the dr is solidly in the “mind” column.

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, in that case, then the Ethiopian news media, including the etv, Tigray tv, are not updated on Dr. Debretsion’s title. Because, very recently, I’ve seen media coverage about him refering to him as the vice-president/ምኽትል ርእሰ ምምሕዳር ትግራይ. Of course, as you said, he is serving as the president of Tigray, but for the reason that you mentioned, they are calling him vice-president, not acting/ግዝያዊ/ተተካኢ president.

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            The Dr. Debretsion show/speech/talk whatever was really a high drama event whose mojo was killed by the good Dr.’s inherent capacity to bring boredom from an orgy. For some inconceivable reason I like the guy, but jeez.. can he put a little sizzle in his performance? I have a friend who even in this late hour is a staunch TPLF fan, but his number one lament is the ደፂ performance. “Ice” can be delivered with impact, but I swear one cannot tell if he is talking about existential issues or the cauliflower yield in Axum.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            Till TPLF is reduced to TPL then to TP and eventually till T is left dangling between North and South. No letting up till then.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul, Fanti and Sal,

            You guys are forgetting the longstanding abyssinian tradition of treating the pretenders to the throne and the one ousted from. The former were kept in ወህኒ ተራራ. The later were given ወይባ-ዝተለኽየ clothing and a hat and sent to ደብረ ዳሞ and the likes. Now in our time as a sign of modernity and forgiveness, their left arm and right leg and eyes could be spared from the notorious ሾተል and መስፈ, respectively.
            ሳልሕ በረድ እናበልካ፡ ንሰብ ረመጽ ከይተርግጽ። ከመይ ዝበልካ ጠበቓ ኢኻ በጃኻ! ገለ እንተ ኣጋጢሙኒ’ሲ ንዓኻ እየ ዝቖጽር።

          • saay7

            Haile S:

            ኣጆኻ Hailat ኣለኹልካ:: But seriously, I have heard these 3 guys makes speeches the last 2 months. And the Acting President of Tigray argues like a lawyer whereas the PM of Ethiopia and the President of Eritrea argue like pastors. 🔥 and ❄️

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,
            Oh come on man! Debretsion is a Nyquil. Listning to him for 5 minutes, you get knocked down for a week.. 😂😂😂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Dr Debretsion please 😂

            Non-drowsy NyQuil Everybody in Ethiopia needs it to calm the hell down.

            But I like that: I will take that anytime over the fast talking, loud, manipulative politicos touching their chest and getting teary eyed at the drop of a barneta

            saay

          • Now inc.

            Eyob,
            The problem with Debre is that he lacks charisma and he is low energy.

          • Eyob Medhane

            New Inc.,

            You are so polite not to call the guy “boring as heck” You ended up using Trumpian phrases ‘low energy’ 😂😂

          • saay7

            Eyob and all:

            I am one of the people who called TPLF leadership ዓንቀፍቲ and here’s Dr Ice, the man who holds a press conference, (unlike you know who) addressing that 🙂

            https://youtu.be/-fDNtY9tr7M

            (Emma will translate for you if the Tigrinya is too hard)

            By the way, the British band “Foreigner” has a bunch of songs that apply to your two doctors: they are called “Cold As Ice”, “Hot Blooded”, and “Urgent.” My favorite, jukebox hero, inspired me to buy a guitar, try it for one day, and then decided guitar playing is an overrated skill 🙂

            Saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay7,

            This man seems to be competent and well versed in the tenets of realpolitik. I wonder how K. von Metternick and Henry Kissinger would grade his performance in this video. The future would tell, but I think this is the best leader the TPLF could field under the circumstances they are facing.

          • Paulos

            ሰላመ ክቡር ሓው እስማዒል,

            እዞም ሰባት እዚኣቶም ከምቲ ትፈልጦ ኢድዩ ንዒቓቶም ኢሃፓ ንዒቓቶም ደርግ ንዒቕዎም ኢሳያስን ኮራኹሩን ንዒቖሞም ሕጂ’ኻኣ ጋና እቲ ኣመል ኣይተረፈን ግን ምስጋና ዘይብሉ ሃገር ሃኒጾም ኣማዕቢሎም መሊሶም’ካኣ ኣብ ተሪር መስመር ደው ኢሎም ነቲ ዘንጸብልል ዘሎ ሓደጋ ህዝቦም ሓቈፎም ይብድህዎን ይምክትዎነ ኣለው እቲ ዘሕዝን ግን እቲ ንዕቐት ኣይተረፈን።

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dr. Paulos,

            Slighting, under rating and contempt are what define socio-cultural disease called arrogance. It’s preponderant mark of mentality rife in cultures of oriental societies structured as hierarchical formations: subdued ordinary peasants of many categories up to reigning monarchs or pontiffs – the latter two separately or in league. The cultures that developed and inhabited the Abyssinian plateau are not an exception. They had been hierarchical where respect and slighting are distributed from top to bottom in accordance to wealth and power under the suzerainty of the monarch.

            Despite some vestiges of modernity as imported from the advanced West, the social and cultural mindsets in our own society and our neighbors to the south still suffer from those negative and reactionary legacies. What you have mentioned in your comments in the context of my entry should be read in that context. The least understood fact, however, is that when all is said and done, arrogance destroys itself. That is why history has records of the slighted and underestimated few few defeating the arrogant multitudes. You remember, the imperial regime and later the Derg had dismissed the ELF and other liberators in the region as few deluded roadside robbers and agents of foreign enemies who had no chance of surviving in the face of mighty armies and weapons of modern warfare.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            It is always a joy to read your deep and of great substance comments and this one is not an exception either. Thank you!

            I can not add anything to it, really, except that, it has been almost three decades after the fact but the social maligning traits you aptly said are eating us up from with in.

            Call it knowledge delusion if you will and people are belittling the very man with his own personality and style where he can not be every man or Abiy for that matter. He is what he is and who he is. And he is doing a fantastic job responding and safeguarding the demands and aspirations of his own people including availing accountability and transparency as well. The rest is trivial! Thank you again Kbur Haw.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aya Adi-U,

            The gentleman is cool and has made sober judgement as to what is going in the Ethiopian politics currently. He assured that they will fight for the respect of their constitution and rule of law in the nation. He has all the ingredients of leadership.

            A leader who comes by denying the developments that are achieved in the last 27 years can not be trusted to bring tangible developments in his tenure of leadership. A wise leader must build his success by building on the successes so far achieved by his predecessors.

            Saay, after watching and listening all the speeches of the PM, I have become to a conclusion that he is bogus, who hasn’t any clue as to the basics of political administration to run the business of a nation. Just give him two years, he will disappoint his supporters. If I were his adviser, I would advise him to go back to his church preaching who could be good at it.

            What Ethiopians are lacking is “Justice for all”; and when justice reigned in the country, it exudes love among the people of the “nations and nationalities.” Justice is the corner stone for “trust building” and reinforce the mutual coexistence” of their social groups. The current PM doesn’t understand the need of this kind socio-political process to heal the nation from its ills. Ethiopia needs a leader (a) who could be the father of the poor Ethiopians (b) a leader who think and look ways as to how each Ethiopian can have three meals a day (c) A leader who makes his priorities on fighting poverty and developments. And I think there is none who think along those lines from the current political practitioners.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            I agree on your para 1, as it relates to Dr Debre. He is Mekele (TPLF) plus Addis (EPRDF), old enough to be a TPLF vet, young enough to get post-graduate degrees after EPRDF came to power, a techie engineer, a computer hacker and completely unexcitable.

            On para 2, 3, 4, I disagree. Dr Debre and Dr Abiy come from two different political backgrounds. The biggest one is that for the constituency of Debre both the TPLF and EPRDF are good brand names and for Dr Abiys constituencies, EPRDF is a toxic name and OPDO is simply a conveyer belt for ethnic pride (just as replaceable by OLF.)

            So, Emma, what do you think would happen if the two doctors traded places?

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            Is it me or the “Weyane” had a head start during the armed liberation time. Looking at how money Tegadeliti turned Dr. makes me wonder. Dr. Arkebe, Dr. Getachew, Dr. DebreSion…Not only that they continued their studies but they were working fulltime and sometimes running ministry.

            I can’t even name a single tegadalay (forget tegadaly but even former Dehaires) who got Dr. of anything in the past 20 or so years..

            Our only hope I think is Dr. Beyan :). and those students from SA.

            ተኸኽ ክበሃሉ ምስ እንዳ ህግደፍ አበይ አርኪቦምሉ ኢልካዮም ዝወደይ፡ ኮይኑ ነገሩ፡፡

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            Those who were young enough and ambitious enough attended universities in Eritrea or via distance education in Europe Americas and Africa.

            I know for a fact one who took journalism classes and got his degree from a university in London (now exiled) and another who was taking classes at UoA (now arrested with G15)

            So it’s not that we didn’t have our share of educated; its just that they can’t survivs IAs Eritrea whereas Tigrayans survived and thrived in TPLFs Tigray and EPRDFs Ethiopia.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Reason: They had a briliant leader who loves education and who encourage them to go to schools to continue their education, after the end – life of the jungle, unlike our despot who close the only university in the nation.

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,
            Many Tegadelti joined UoA in 1991/92. But they were ordered by the regime to withdrew in 1993.
            I remember many of them were bright and hard working.
            A good leader encourages smart & educated colleagues in team to exploit their full potential and achieve higher goals
            A bad leader ‘s focus is on boosting his own feelings of self-worth. Best example: DIA

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            If you don’t mind, I will pass your question to the stakeholders of Ethiopian politics, like Sir Amde, Horizon, Kim , Fanti Ghana, Eyob Kaddis.,…etc

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Now inc.,

            You are right, he was NOT screaming his head off like a demagogue such as Adolf H!tler, Benito Musolini, Fidel Castro or Katikala drunk Mengistu.

            But, what do you think of the CONTENT/SUBSTANCE of his speech?

          • Blink

            Dear Simon
            Even the content is questionable at every word. Let’s see what he said about the border , he was all over the place .

          • David Samson

            Selam Blink,

            “If you do not respect us, we will disintegrate the country”

            Holding your political opponent to ransom is a political sin, which an inspired politician to be should avoid.

            The bloke sounds as someone who just read his PHDs thesis in politics to his audience.

          • Blink

            Dear David
            I just couldn’t agree more , put his shoes in Meles size and he will lose both shoes . The fact is the guy is simply unfitting to the current Ethiopian problem.

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Well..

            He was supposed to deliver a Temper Tantrum.

            He instead delivered a ..
            ..ahem…
            TemperED Tantrum.

            I will see myself out.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Sir Amde,

            Look at the bright side: you listen to him only once! His repetitiveness is exactly the same in Tigrigna and Amharic, amazingly on the same points, and I have to listen to both. So, stay!

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti..

            I think the fact he is a politician is by itself just one of the amazing sidepoints of this super drama season of Ethio politics. I had a chance to talk to an AAU professor who taught him a couple of courses in Electrical Engineering when he was attending night school – apparently as soon as the Weyane got into Addis as he plausibly could. He was described as being partial to delivering slaps every once in a while but otherwise polite. The “cold” Dr. ደፂ is said to be partial to the ladies.. but I hope he got better game than the ..um… wooden performance we saw.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Ha Amde:

            You might need a jacket on ur way back, be sure to check the TEMPERature first. Our special today: tempa rolls from Tampa

            Ok enough.

            Dr Debre is like the Ethiopian heart pacer to calm you guys down after Dr Abiy heats it up. (Emma says mostly with hot air.)

            saay

          • MS

            Ahlan Fanti
            I agree partially and the reason is that TPLF has now become like a dry leaf that is tortured by the wind. It will blow towards whatever Arena or any other vocal institution that thrive on people’s sentiments: how can we leave our martyrs; the people need to be included, etc.

            You heard/read that TPLF’s position has not changed from that of the infamous five points. It has acted contrary to the decision that EPRDF’s EC had taken which was that the Ethiopian government had accepted the APA and the EEBC verdict and was ready to implement them without any precondition. TPLF has put many preconditions, and it is acting as a contrarian government in the North. Time will tell who will make the breakthrough move. To me, personally, I hope things will sort out. What is needed is that the border needs to be demarcated without much of nationalist fervors and in a way that both peoples will feel comfortable with. I’m not the technocrat administering the conflict. Therefore, I trust those who are involved in solving the problem. But TPLF needs to tapper down its feverish activities to destabilize or delegitimate he federal government and/or the acts of fanning more of caustic statements as related to Eritrea and Ethiopia.
            Regards.

          • Alex

            Hi Fanti Ghana,

            I respectfully disagree with your second point. TPLF say two things at the same time. They say they are for peace while saying the people from the border have to decide which land belong to who which is impractical. TPLF based on their actions they want peace divident while holding sovereign Eritrean land which is not possible. I agree with Eritrean Government for ignoring anything that comes from Tigray administration until they unicovically accept the border decision with out any if and but.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Alex,

            I kind of agree, but you must have heard PMAA repeatedly saying that border talk was not even on the table yet, and since also it does not make sense for TPLF to have initiated the “unequivocally accept the border decision” and oppose it at same time, there must be confusion (by all of us) somewhere.

            What I think is confusing is sorting out what TPLF’s position is verses what individuals’ opinions are.

            The two complaints that can be attributed to TPLF regarding the border issue are a) criticizing PMAA for making the peace announcement in haste and out of procedure, and b) suggesting for people to be included in the (future) border talks.

            As far as Eritrea is concerned, these two points should be taken as an internal matter. It should by no means be a show stopper. It is nothing more than people voicing their real or perceived grievances to their PM which is what free people ought to do. Ultimately, the decision is federal government’s and that should be good enough for Eritrea, legally speaking.

            If in the other hand PIA believes that TPLF is or will be an obstacle, wouldn’t that be in fact more of a reason to talk about it and put TPLF on the spot or get clarification instead of “ignoring it” as if the peace will take place with some phantom entity?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Fanti,

            I am not saying Alex is one of the PFDJ hardcore supporters. But you haven’t figure out PFDJ argument as yet. You should know by now their real enemy is the people of Eritrea. TPLF is just a scapegoat to keep the people hostage.

            Now the new strategy on the groud is, after Dr. Abiy gave IA check mate, he agreed to make peace. Now that peace is achieved with Ethiopia, so they have to do something inside the country.

            This is the trick and they were looking to get out of this pickle they got themselves in…so here they device to find a buggy man..ahah TPLF…

            What they are planing and talking about it now, day and night is…

            1) TPLF is still in power in Tigray
            2) TPLF must be crippled and destroyed.
            3) They have to bring back the money they stole “Ethiopian money” in order to get rid of those “aqeN jiboch”.

            እንታይ ገዱሽካ በለት ዘውዲ አርአያ.

            So my advice to you and TPLF is, please ignore PFDJ day and night and just move on with your lives. If the boarder opens, go ahead and use it.

            They will not do anything to TPLF…. አናጹ፡ ብዘይካ መሽክን ህዝቢ እንታይ ዶ ሓይሊ አለዎም እዩ፡፡

            እንተ እቲ ህዝቢ ኢትዮጵያ ተደናጊሩ እዩ ዘሎ፡፡ ህዝቢ ኤትራን ህግደፍን (ኢሳያስ አፈወርቂ) ሓደ ገይሩ ስለ ዝሓስብ እዩ፡፡ ብፍቅርን፡ ብሓጎስ ጣዕ ኢሉ ዘሎ፡፡

            ህዝቢ ቲግራይን ሕውሓትን ስቅ ኢሎም ምስ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ርክብ ይጀምሩ፡፡

            Berhe

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Alex, first, to let the affected have a say in how the border is demarcated doesn’t mean “the people from the border have to decide which land belong to who”. It is in fact very practical and wise, to listen to the people’s views on the issue, along both sides of the border, in order to minimize any adverse effect to their lives. You say, “TPLF based on their actions they want peace divident while holding sovereign Eritrean land which is not possible”. Aren’t Ethiopians, TPLF folks included, already reaping a dividend of the “peace” while still holding sovereign Eritrean land? The fact that the EAL is operating between the two countries, and saving $100 000 per plane by using the Eritrean airspace, Ethiopian investors sorting out how they could invest in Eritrea, many Ethiopians vacationing in Eritrea, plus the soon to be opened Eritrean seaports? Aren’t these dividends also applicable to TPLF, that has members within the parliament and government, or are they only to the benefit of the other Ethiopians?

          • Alex

            Hi Abraham,
            You point is understandable if it just to listen the people’s views on the issue but that is not what Dr debretsion gebremichael advocating on all his speech’s. He was stating let the politician be out of the border issue and the people or elderly from the two countries decide which land belong to who. This is not heard before when there is border issue between two countries since it is impractical. About the peace dividend, all Ethiopians except Tigray adminstration are OK with the decision made by EPRDF and PMAA to accept the border decision with out any condition. I know TPLF voted like other EPRDF members to accept the EEBC decision with out any condition but when they get push back in Tigray they changed their tune.

        • Alex

          Hi MS,
          I agree with Eritrean government for ignoring any thing that comes from tigray administration. Untill they hold the border demarcation hostage with their fake let the people from the border decide which land belong to whom we should ignore them and deal with PMAA only.

    • Amanuel

      Hi MS

      What do you think about Dr Aby not answering the question regarding Ethiopian right access to the sea?
      I am not sure about your claim “3. Ethiopians, for the first time, have openly expressed their acceptance of Eritrea’s independence where the “two nations one people” mantra has begun on a sound ground of cooperation and peaceful co-existence.” I was speaking to an Ethiopian friend (from Amara), he is well read and university lecturer, to my shock he genuinely believes that Aby brought back Eritrea like Haile Selassie did 50 years ago. I think you are stung with the same poison as IA and you can’t see the wood for the trees. There is kids song doing its rounds in Asmara these days, it goes like this “ኣብይ ወዲ ሽዋ፣ ንኢሱ ኣሽኪዕዋ።”

      • MS

        Selam Amanuel
        Your comment has many self-defeating assumptions built in it. You start by asking what seems to be an innocent question, and then you make a conclusion about a “claim” I made whose implications you are not sure about, merely by basing your conclusion on what an Ethiopian professor had told you. So many incoherent assumptions, but I will respond out of respect. Please stay away from going personal. It just does not help, and it does not work on me. I would hate to place you on the “severely ignored lots” because I don’t want to miss what you have to offer.
        With that out of the way:
        1. Dr, Abiy does not have the authority to talk about Ethiopian right of access separate from an internationally recognized right of a land-locked country to have access to the sea. He can speak of agreements, but he can’t define Ethiopia’s right to access the sea. This topic contains international law as well as business interests that the two countries have to hash out. As I understand it, both countries are heading towards having the agreements hammered out. Mind you, Eritrea never blocked Ethiopia’s access to the sea. It was the Wayane regime that had boycotted it.
        2. Your professor is replaying a dream. Eritrea is a sovereign country. If things progress (and I hope they will) as planned, Eritrea and Ethiopia will enjoy a mutually benefiting prosperity of two sovereign neighboring countries. Just like any other neighboring countries should do. As far as your concern that I might be stung by “the same poison” that IA had gotten, I will refer you to my brotherly advice. Focus on topics, personal jabs don’t work on me. And frankly, they contribute a negative energy to the forum.
        3- With regard to the new children’s song, going viral through the streets of Asmara, I have a different account. As I was walking in the Gazabanda Area (SAAY’s neighborhood), I heard children singing: ኣቢ ወዲ ሸዋ፡ ኢሰያስ ኣሽኪዕዋ።
        ዎ ደሓንካ።

        • Amanuel

          Hi MS
          The respect is mutual and hence I try to engaged you in a discussion. I have never got personal with you. What I am doing is express my observation based on your comment and I will continue to do so, regardless. You are behaving like a Walter Mitty character with your “severely ignored lots” threat.

          Back to my question about Aby, it is not about having an authority, it is about leadership. As the leader of the day he should have answered it one way of another, unless he is afraid of the truth or has hidden agenda.

          You claimed Ethiopians, for the first time, have openly expressed their acceptance of Eritrea’s independence and I have told you am not sure and give you an example of the professor. Imagine if well ready mature professor believes that, what do you expect from the lay man who was waving Eritrean flag, while wearing Ethiopia Empire T-shirt.

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Mahmud,

      I just can’t believe you have this much hate against the victims of Eritrean regime, members of the Eritrean opposition. You damn well these members of opposition in Ethiopia are of varied political strips and by sheer numbers are few compared than these who reside with you, in Diaspora. But still all are indisingushable from Woyane.

      And this is after personally witnessing for years what actually Eri opposition looks like either at awate and the communities you live with.

      I have to say this: you are spiteful man. You would rather betray your colleagurs and citizens dying in Isaias gulags.

      It is all fine. We learned how to deal people like you who still believe in Isaias no matter the terrible costs Eritreans have to paid for his insane policies possibly pyrrhic efforts.

      Ghezae

      • MS

        selam Gezae Hagos
        ከም ዓቢ ሰብን ገዛጠኛን ነጣፍን (activist): ከም መስተውዓሊ ለባም (ልብታታና ግርም ገርካ ተንብብ ሰብ)፥ ከም ተመራማራይ (ነዞም እከይ ግብሪ በዓል ማሕሙድ ቅልዕልዕ ተብለና ሰብ)፥ ከም ተዛዋራይ ዳህሳሲ/explorer (ንመሬት ወያነን ከነዳን ሰናጢቕካ እትነብር ሰብ)፡ ከም humanist ልብኻ ብስቕያት ህዝብና እትነብዕ (ድዩ ዝበሃል እትድሚ?)፡ ከም ጸሓፋይ ነዛ ወረቐት ግርም ቢልካ እትቀብእ ሰብ—ከም ተቓላሳሳይ (ጋም-ማን ደኣ ኮይኑ እምበር) እንታይ ክወጸካ?
        እሞ ከምጁይ ዝበለ ሰብ ከምጁይ ቢሉ ክኸሰካ እንከለሎ ሓበን’ዶ ኣይኮነን?
        ረሲዐልካ’ምበረይ፥ ቅሩብ ቁርሲ በሊዕካ፡ ኩባያ ቡን ናይ Tim Hortons እንተትገብረላ ቅሩብ ብርህ ምበለልካ’ሞ ኣጸቢቕካ ኣኽቢድካ ምጸዓንከኒ ነይርካ። ፈዂሹ ገዛኢ ሓወይ፡ ፈዂሹኒ። ካልእ ይግበኣኒ—
        እሞ guilty as charged ምበልኩ ነይረ። ግን ንደሞክራስን ፍትሕን እንዲና ንቃለስ ዘለና (ወይ ትቃለሱ ኣለኹ’ዶ ንበሎ)—ኣቱም ሰባት ሎምስ ኣይትቃጸጹና መጺኡ—ሕራይ ውሰዳ ደላይ ፍትሒ—ተቓላሳይ ፍትሒ—ምቅጻጽ ኣይፈቱን—ተኣኽለኒ እያ እታ ሽመይ። ማሕሙድ ክሳብ ዝበልከኒ ንሳ ትኣኽለኒ እያ።
        ግዜ ኣኺሉ ኣብ ንራኸበሉ
        1. ጽቡቕ ገረ ሰላም ክብለካ እየ
        2. ሓሳብ ምስ ተለዋወጥና፡ ግምታትካ ገጋ ከምዝነበረ ክበርሃልካ እዩ።
        3. ኣብዚ ኩሉ ን “ደምበ ተቓውሞ” ኣብ ጋም-ማን ኣእትይ ዘማሰኖ ተመክሮ፡ ተራ ከምዝነበረካ ክበርሃልካ እዩ። ከም ዘዋራይ ፖለቲካዊ ቀሺ ኮይንካ ነቲ ኣንጻር ኤርትራ ዝካየድ ዝነበረ ዘመተታት ክተንበድብድ ከሪምካ እንዲኻ፡ ኣብዚ ክሉ ዓመታት ኣበር’ዶ ክሰኣነካ ኮይኑ?
        4. ማሕሙዳይ ግን እንተተወንጀለ ርኢቶኡ ብምሃብ ጥራይ እዩ ዝኽሰስ። ኣብታ ክትመርሕዋ እትሓልሙ ኤርትራ ርኢቶ ምሃብ ከምዝኽልከል፡ ዓስርተተታት ዔላ-ዕሮ ከም ዝህነጽ እቲ ምልክታት ኣሎ እዩ። ኣብ ካናዳ ንዓመታት ተቐሚጡን ክንደይ ናይ ነጠፍቲ ንጥፈታት ባሪኹን ኣፈኛ ኮይኑን ንዓመታት ዝሰርሐ ምኩር ነጣፋይ ከምዚ ካብ በለ፡ እቲ ጥዉይ ጨርቁ ኣጋር ኣባልኩም ደኣ እንታይ ክገብር እዩ? ብዙሕ ምርምር ኣየድልዮን። ስለ’ዚ፡ ደድሕሪ ወያነ ዝኸደ ጥረጥ ወያነ ለመደ ከም ዝበሃል፡ መልሓስኩም ካብ መጻሕፍቲ ዝተበጥቆለ ሁማን ራይትስ ይብል ግብርኹም ግን ኣንጻር መሰል ወዲ ሰብ እዩ ማይ ፍሬንድ። ነዛ ርኢቶና ክንህብ ‘ኳ ክንድ’ዚ ዝረዓድኩም፡ በትረ-ስልጣን ምስ ዓተርኩም ደኣ እንታይ ከም ትገብሩ ርኢናልኩም ኣለና። ናይ ውሽጥኹም ሽግራት ክትፈትሑ ዘይከኣልኩምስ ናይ ሃገር ሽግራት ክትፈትሑልና!!?
        5. ሶሪ፡ ኣነ ኣውን ቅሩብ እንህር ኣለኹ መስለኒ፡ እዛ ኣብ ቁጽሪ 4 ዘላ ሕኸካ ኢካ ። ክትበሃል ኣይግበእን ኣዩ። ኣነ እውን triple shots of Starbucks coffee የድልየኒ ኣሎ። ሃጽ ኣቢሉ ደኣ ናብ ዓዲ-ሃሎ ከይወስደኒ ኣምበር። ብዝኾነ፡ ኣበይ ነይርና? ኣወ ምስ ተራኸብና ሲ ማሕሙዳይ ግርም ዝኾነ ወረጃ ሰብ ምኳኑ ክበርሃልካ እዩ። ግደፍ ንከማኻ ዝኣመሰለ ሰብ፥ ጽንጽያ ከባርር’ኳ ኣይፈቱን። ኤእ—ፖለቲካ ግን ፖለቲካ እዩ። ንስኻ ብድምጽኻ ኣነ ብድምጸይ—እነሆ ፈረስ እነሆ ሜዳ—መልሓስካ ክቖርጽ ክሳብ ዘይተደናደንኩ፡ እንታይ ኣለካ ኣብ ናይ ቆልዑ ቆይቊ ትኣቱ? ክላእ እታ ገዛኢ፡ ንዓይ እውን ሎምስ ለኪምካኒ—ሕማቕ መዓልቲ ኮይኑ፡ ግን ደሓን እዩ፡ ጽባሕ ናታ ሓዚላ ክትመጽእ እያ።
        6. ብዝኾነ፥ ማሕሙዳይ ንኹሉ ክስታትካ ነጺግዎ ኣሎ። ኣብ ናጽነት ኣተሓሳስባኡ ዝመጽእ ከኣ ተራጓሓይን ተጓሳጣይን ኣዩ። ህግድፍ ብየማን እንተመጸ፥ እታ የማነይቲ እግሪ ኣላ—ካልቾ ዲኹም ትብልዎ ደቂ ኣስመራ። እኒ በዓል ቲም ሆርቶን ብጸጋም ኣንተመጹ ጸጋመይቲ እግሪ ኣላ። ሎምስ ከኣ ናይ ወደይ እሶኽ ዘለዎ ሳእኒ ወድየ ኣለኹ። ወደይ ጎያያይ እንድዩ፡ ደቂ እዚ ግዜ ድማ ነቲ ሳእንስ ናይ ሓጻውንቲ ኣስናን ገይሮምሉ። ግዜ ይቕየር እዩ ገዛኢ ሓወይ። ኣቲ ቀደም ሲ ሽዳ እንተረኸብና ንሕጎስ ነይርና፡ እንተ ደቂ ሎሚ ግን ሰናን ሳኣኒ እንተዘይገይሮም ወይ ከ። እታ ንህግድፍ ትግባእ 2% ኣብ ሳእንታት ጠፊኣ። ናብ ዓድኹም ምኻድ ኣዩ ደጊም። ጅግና ወዲ ሓጎስ (ገዛኢ ማለተይ እዩ) ዝመርሓ ጋንታ ፍሉይ ስርሒት ገይራ ተባሂሉ። ንኢምባሲ ኤርትራ ካብ ካናዳ ኣባሪራ፡ ነቲ 2% ከም ዝቛረጽ ገይራ፡ በዚ ድማ big achievement ገይራ ተባሂሉ ተደሪፉላ፡ ጎራዙት ሳዕሲዐናላ፡ ሰመረ ወዲ ዓንዶም ራባባ ወቂዑላ፡ ቅሩብ ካብ ናይ’ቲ ውሩ ኣቀንቃኒ ቢንዓምረታይ፡ ሓምድ ዓብደላ፥ ሰሪቑ ተባሂሉ ተኸሲሱ ከምዘሎ ናይ 03 ቃልቃል ዝብል ወረ በጺሑና ኣሎ። ብዝኾነ—ኣበይ እየ ዘለኹ—
        7. ስለምንታይ ከ ዘየሕጽሮ፡ ኣብ መወዳእታ፡ መሬት ምስ ወግሐ እየ ዝብለካ፥
        ሀ. ማሕሙዳይ ብልቡ (ወይ ሃንጎሉ በሎ) ዝሓስብ፡ ብሳንብኡ ዘስተንፍስ፡ መራጉድዲ ዘየድልዮ ፡ ናጻ ሰብ ምዃኑ ክበርሃልካ እዩ። Patrick Henry: Give me liberty or give me death ድዩ ኢሉ ተባሂሉ ዝንገረሉ? So, I hate adult people chaperoning adult people.
        ለ. ማሕሙዳይ (እዚ ወዲ ሳልሕ ማለተይ እየ) ምስ ህግድፍ ይኹን ምስ ወገንካ ርክብ ይኹን ድሌት ርክብ ከምዘይብሉ ክበርሃልካ እዩ።
        ብዝኾነ ሳዓት ክንደይ ኮይኑ (ሎሚ ቅሩብ ግዜ ኣለኒ፡ እቶም ቖልዑ እውን ትምህርቲ ኣይጀመሩን’ሞ ነዛ ወርቓዊት ግዜ ምስ ከማኻ ዘመሰለ ወረጃ ሰብ ምሕላፋ እንታይ ጸገም ኣለዎ?
        ብሩኽ መዓልቲ ግዛኢ ሓወይ፡ ብዙሕ ከኣ ኣይትህለኽ፡ ክሉ መዋጸኦ ኣለዎ።
        ማሕሙድ ሳልሕ

      • Blink

        Dear Geaze
        Did you watch yourself while hating PFDJ while protecting weyane ?

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Ghezae Arkey,

        አጃኻ፡ ሓንቲ መዓልቲ አላ፡ እቲ ኩሉ ድልየትካን፡ ክእለትካን ንህዝቢ አብ ውሽጢ ሃገርካ ምስ ህዝብካ ኮንካ ትኾርዓሉን ትሰርሓሉን፡፡

        ጌጋ ይኽለአለም እምበር፡ እቲ ምንዮትካ curator ናይ ታሪኽን ቅርስን ክትከውን ከም እትትምኖ እዩ፡፡ እንታይ ደአ ራዛ ናይ አቡኡ ሓዛ እንድዩ ተባሂሉ፡፡ ናይ መን ድአ ክትወሰድ፡ ናይ አቦታትካ እምበር፡፡

        እንታይ ድዩ ዝመስለካ፡ ህግሐኤ ክንደይ ሓሰውትን፡ ክንደይ ሰረቕትን፡ ክንደይ ጨቆንትን፡ ህዝቢን ተጋዳላይን፡ ቐጥቒጦም፡ ጨፍሊቖምን፡ ክሳብ ህወት ሰብ ዘሕልፉ፡ ጀዋሱስ እውን አኪቡ እዩ ነሩ፡፡ ወረ ሓንሳብ ሓንሳብሲ እምበርዶ አንጻር ጸላኢ እዮም ዝቃልሱ ነሮም ወይስ አንጻር ህዝቦም ክትፈላልዮ የጽግመካ፡፡

        እቲ ግሪምቢጥ ዓዲ ገሊኦም ዘስደምም እዩ፡፡ ከመይ ገይሮም እዮም፡ ምስ ህግ ተቓሊስና፡ ነጻነት እምጺእና ዝብሉ፡ ነቶም ብጾቶም፡ ብኢድ ጎይትኦም፡ ኢሰያስ አፈወርቂ፡ ዝተቐዝፉን ፡ ዕድሚኦም ምሉእ አብ ጋሃነ እሳት ዝተቐብሩ፡ መቃልስቶም መሰርሕቶም ረሲዕም፡ ለይትን መዓልትን፡ ነቲ ብሰንኪ ኢሰያስ አፈውርቂ ዝተገፍዔ አካል፡ ክወቅሱን ከወንጁሉን ይሓርሙ፡፡

        እቶም ተቃወምቲ፡ ዝኸድዎ ሃገርን ዓደን ስለ ዝሰአኑ አብ ኢትዮጵያ ከይዶም፡፡ እዚስ መን ይስሕቶ፡፡ ምሽ ነዞም ኩሉም፡ እንጻር ወያነ ዝተዓጥቁ፡ ኢትዮጵያውን ኢሰያስ አፈውርቂ፡ ሓቂፉ፡ አዕጢቑ፡ ሕጂ ድማ፡ መልአከ ሰላይ ኮይኑ፡ ምስቶም አብ ስልጣን ዘለዉ ይዓርቅ አሎ፡፡ ለይትን መዓልቲን፡ መስለ ህዝቢ ኦሮሞ፡ ህዝቢ አምሓራ፡ ህዝቢ ትግራይ እንዳበሉ ከጽሙሙና፡ ሓደ መዓልቲ፡ መሰል ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ትብል ቃል ካብ አፎም ወጺአ አይትፈልጥን፡፡

        ዳሓን ሰላኻን፡ ሳላ ወዲ ከማኻን፡ እዚ ኩሉ ታሪኽ ተመዝጊቡ፡ አብ ታሪኽን፡ ሙዝየም፡ ክሰፍር እዩ፡፡ እቲ ህዝቢ ድማ፡ ከምኡውን መጻኢ ወልዶ፡ ናይዞም ጀዋሱስ፡ ታሪክን፡ ዝፈጸምዎ ወንጀል፡ ልክዕ ከምዞም ናይ ምብራቕ ጀርመን፡ ጀዋሲስ ዝኾኑ፡ ስታዚ ንህዝቢ ክኽፈትን ክፍለጥን እዩ፡፡

        ንዓና እሞ፡ ካብ ሎሚ ንደሓር ንላዕሊ እምበር ንታሕቲ መንገዲ የለን፡፡ ንሕናስ፡ መልቀስ ዝኾኖም ግጥሚ ነዳልወሎም ጀሚርና አለና፡ ግብረ ሰይጣን ኢስያስ አፈውርቂ ምስ ከደ፡፡

        በርሀ

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Berhe Y,

          It is always like that..it was then with ELF and now with those Ethiopian people…

          “እቶም ተቃወምቲ፡ ዝኸድዎ ሃገርን ዓደን ስለ ዝሰአኑ አብ ኢትዮጵያ ከይዶም፡፡ እዚስ መን ይስሕቶ፡፡ ምሽ ነዞም ኩሉም፡ እንጻር ወያነ ዝተዓጥቁ፡ ኢትዮጵያውን ኢሰያስ አፈውርቂ፡ ሓቂፉ፡ አዕጢቑ፡ ሕጂ ድማ፡ መልአከ ሰላይ ኮይኑ፡ ምስቶም አብ ስልጣን ዘለዉ ይዓርቅ አሎ፡፡”

          KS,,

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Berhe,

          Good job for defending to one of our indefatigable compatriot, Ghezae Hagos. I also believe that the Eritrean people will erect a “historical monuments” for the Victims of the regime along our martyrs in our future democratic Eritrea to give justice for the victims. Those who betray their comrades to ally with the evil despot, history will remember as accomplices of the tyrant.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Ahlan Awates,

    I wish one from Awate forum to volunteer to play the role of the Indian wash-man and his donkey in order to inform the KOBORO JUNKIES that the game is over. It is time they have to cross the border to catch their Hashawiyi Abagalia. I hope tplf will open the border for a limited time so as fake Eritreans ( ቅዳሓት) can cross the border to reach their promised land peacefully. We can’t request them more than specific time, there may be security concerns.

  • Now inc.

    Hello all,
    I don’t have anything to say about anything right now. Just patiently waiting for the highly anticipated IA announcements on Sept the 1st.
    What if there is no announcement? Well, then nothing! What do you want me to do.

    • haileTG

      Selam Now inc.,

      I don’t believe there will be any announcement on Sept.1 or 11…it is a game over season we are in. When IA gave domestic interviews and announcements it was all meant for the “supporters”. If you read the current re-alignment and calibration, it has rendered the PFDJ supporter a spent force to be distanced from. The first salvo of that measure was taken by the regime by completely ignoring them and locking them out of any information. From the regime’s perspective, the supporters are now a bunch of bone heads looking to get paid. Otherwise, what good are to the regime other than liability? The regime doesn’t need their political advocacy when its newfound friends Ethiopia & co. are doing it for it. It doesn’t need their bankrupt and hypercritical chest beating because all belongs to al capone. It doesn’t need their concern and compliant, it is an unnecessary headache from a bygone wannabe holding to letter of apology/wereqet nay Ta’Esa. Why on earth would IA would want to talk to them?? They are the true betrayers who have finally got paid their size’s worth.

      As far as IA is concerned, they are a bunch of losers for all the money and fame he bestowed on them. They lost every single showdown with the diaspora based Eritrean opposition activists who nearly brought him to ICC. Their politicking doesn’t go beyond Tigrayan border villages. When they badmouth the Eri activists for false narrative, IA must be laughing with mouth closed, thinking to himself that if these ጉማታት (as he must have meant them in his speech) believed half they said, why didn’t they defeat it then??

      So, the PFDJ supports are hanged up and dry for good. IA has nothing to say to them and they better get used to scavenging news from Ethio and other sources.

      ጉማየ ጉማ… how does the song go again? 🙂

      • Tesfu

        Dear Hale TG
        While I was reading your comment something came to mind. The other day,couple days ago you said, regarding Haile Weldense ” Durue” Akeleguzay sentiment. ‘ if I am not mistaken Abraha, chief securuty officer in from Akele” Could explain to me what it is or meant? and Hamasen or Seraye Sentiment. if there is. Please I want to know.
        Every Eritrean wants to see rule of law applied on equal footing on its
        rights.

        Tesfu

  • Hayat Adem

    Greetings,
    Of all the crimes IA/PFDJ/MS committed, the biggest must be the donkination (donkey nation/ the making of the conditioned donkey) of our people.

    • Peace!

      HI Hayat,

      Are you accusing MS personally? If yes, would you mind sharing the crimes he committed?

      Peace!

      • Blink

        Dear peace
        She is accusing MS for nullifying her narrative and that is why she is in shaky ground defending weyane 27 years of killings. The fact that she put MS in issias mirror is no surprise for me . She is one of these spinners from weyane small clan.

        • Peace!

          Hi Blink,

          I know she promised to spare few seconds for poor Eritrea, but this is too far and dangerous. It portrays all Tegadeltis as criminals. B’ka Terifuna 🙂

          Well, I have saved this video for her and other TPLF apologists/ moderate Agazians

          https://youtu.be/OYQr7kfbsKo

          Peace!

          • Blink

            Dear Peace
            Thanks for the video. The reason she is accusing Eritrean fighters in general is because she thinks weyane got beaten by Issaias and his sympathizers in Ethiopia, that is a bitter defeat for people like hayat .

          • Beyan

            Selam Peace,

            What a succinct and on-point message this is. At its micro-level, what we see here at awate is precisely that: That holding on to my viewpoint is more important than accepting another’s who may have superior logic for that particular subject of discussion. This forum, it seems to me, suffers from that a great deal. I see individuals who are unwilling to accept someone else’s ideas just because they’ve had differing viewpoints previously.

            What I hear Dr. Aregawi saying, my first time to hear some such conversation from the man, is he makes a great deal of sense. Now, suppose I listen to other talks he gave that I find violently unacceptable – it is a supposition here. Therefore, should what he said here be nullified if the topic he speaks of in another matter I vehemently disagree with? I will come back to revise this line of thought as triggered by this three minute talk you shared. I gotta go now.

            Many thanks, Peace.
            Beyan

          • saay7

            Selamat Beyan:

            The most interesting part of the video Peace! shared is when Dr. Aregawi gives credit to the people’s revolution: it was not Qerro, it was “Dimxachn yisemma”, way way back in 2014. These were Muslim Ethiopians, protesting peacefully every Friday, to reverse a government’s violation of their religious rights by imposing a new and “more secular” Islam. We debated it here then, I think on one side was me and SGJ, and on the other were all our Ethiopian friends (except Fanti, of course.) Even the enlightened Kaddis justified somewhat the harsh punishment the TPLF government imposed on them. Abi was still eating his damned dabo…and Eyob, borrowed from the American lexicon of the State justifying violence against its people, called them “thugs.” (I hear that word a lot now when people want Abiy to go violent on Tigrayans: just call them “thugs.”

            Anyway, when you come back, if you want to know more about the movement that emboldened the Querro boys who are taking all the credit for the change in Ethiopia, learn more about the first peaceful civil disobedience in EPRDF-led Ethiopia and how brutally it was squashed in the link below. Here, I find it necessary to say that until Eritrean and Ethiopian Christians and Muslims just to defend each other from State violence, all their “we have a harmonious co-existence blah blah blah” will remain half-complete.

            https://ecadforum.com/2014/07/27/a-call-for-justice-dimtsachin-yisema-washington-d-c/

            saay

          • Beyan

            Thank you Sal. As someone who haphazardly participates in the forum, I did not follow the discussion that you alluded to above. Glad you are sharing the link to the effect, if not the forum exchanges, at least, the movement’s starting point being acknowledged by the good doctor shows how dignified the man is. He could’ve ignored it all, but chose to acknowledge – A good sign of a man who sees the complete picture of Ethiopia instead of what our version of politics does. If it is not Higdef driven framework, Sal Y. or any other Eritrean says matters not.

            This is precisely where we need to make a pivot or ነጥቢ ተቐይሮ requires change of mindset. This is why I have been supporting the Denver and Atlanta Manifesto, the documents of which are slowly finding their way to the public. I am listening to the reps of the Denver Manifesto addressing the very issues related to coherent and cohesive struggle against the regime in Eritrea. They are in Hidri Jeganuna right now. My hope is that the manifesto will resonate with the public, it gains enough traction to move onward to Geneva.

          • saay7

            Selam Beyanom:

            The Atlanta and Denver papers have to find their way to the Geneva Demo planned on August 31. Beginning September 1, the plan is to create a Pan-Eritrean Oppo org. So September 1 is a day to look forward to for assertive change activists and for those passively waiting for Isaias to disappoint them again (his favorite sport.)

            On Dimxachn Yisemma, how the TPLF-led EPRDF tortured peaceful demonstrators should have been enough to awaken any Ethiopian. It should have been enough for the Eritrean oppo to say “we are done with you.” I think part of the reason Abiy had a huge welcome at the Ethio-Muslim conference in the USA is that he was at least willing to call the State a terrorist state. All the pardons he did were, or course, to pardon himself: because he was an integral part of the terrorizing State.

            saay

          • Beyan

            MerHaba Sal.,

            Indeed, what happens after the Viva Geneva demo is where it will matter the most. You said it right when you said, “Beginning September 1, a day to look forward to for assertive change activists and not for those passively waiting for Isaias to disappoint them again (his favorite sport.)” Reacting to his moves means not only does it mean we are reactive, but we are on the passenger seat where we are leaving the steering wheels to a reckless driver, which is to say ተተሓሒዝካ ንጽደፍ ዩ ክኸውን ነገሩ:: The regime has been defining the topic of discussion cleverly.

            For 18 years, it’s been telling us the border agreement needs to be honored by Ethiopia without any condition. In between, many challenges the regime faced, such as the G15, in the context of the border mantra, they were treasonous; Weddi Ali was an Islamist; The Akhriya uprising was another Islamic movement, etc. We need to be on the driver seat and define our objective, goals, and vision in how to put pressure on the regime. Now that there is a slight opening where the public is beginning to get some reprieve because of the limited freedom of moments between Ethiopia and Eritrea, This is a massive opportunity for the opposition to find an entry point to empower Eritreans in Eritrea. So, proactive, long and short term strategy needs to be laid out. From what I am listening right now, Haw Sengal is laying it out and they are determined, it seems to me, to keep plowing forward. Dr. Selah is now taking over the mic.

            As for the Dimxachn Yisemma, it did find some listening ears from PM Abiy. Errors committed in the name of Ethiopian government’s side, to a point of calling it state sponsored terrorism was huge concession from his part. I doubt we will ever here from the man or from his cohorts. The only option left at our disposal is to continue the pressure in various ways.

            BN

          • saay7

            Beyan:

            For your weekend, Qorchach is here just in time with his new anthem: ንኤረይ ክብልየ

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YGQgD4Vz6o

            saay

          • Beyan

            Hey Sal Y.,

            Finally, I got a chance to listen to the song when the family is soundly sleep. Enjoyed it throughly. I sense musical hybridity in lyrics, in melody, in the speed of the beat. I could hear the mezmur type of tone because of the backup singers, I think. Also, the Tigrayit beat is obvious as well as some Amharic tune is in there somewhere. It’s weekend, why not a little music to the soul since we lost the queen of soul two days ago – Let us appreciate her through one of our own. Since you set the tone with hager related song using Qorchac, let me reciprocate in kind.

            Good Sunday!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0nb1vsQUgo

          • saay7

            Beyan:

            Weekend. I can’t do Aretha (I never was into her music ሞይታ ኢለ ዶ ክሕሱ?) but in the spirit of great female musicians, here is the great Ababe haile (vocals and guitar) with the great Veronica on base. Veronica of course has a new song out that us Oppositionist type are embracing.

            Songs for:

            MaHmuday, because he is a guitarist
            Tsigereda, because she is not happy with you oppo and hgdefites being so male-centric
            HaileTG: because he appreciates the irony of how another of Abebas war-time mobilization song “Hade hzbi Hade lbi” actually became a national creed.

            https://youtu.be/fArCyUTadJU

            saay

          • Beyan

            Sal Y.,
            This has one great beat – That will do. As for Veronica, the song you have in mind, I think is this one. Personally though, I find her guitar playing lacks energy. No expression whatsoever when she is in a concert setting. She is way too animated, but she knows her stuff though. So, here is Veronica – Good to see her making some moves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk6ayXtn4a0

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            The title, “guitarist” is abused here, but thanks. I hope the father f Eritrean guitar, Abona Tewelde Reda; Yusuf Seid; Tecle Adhanom ( Hwket); Hagos Berhane; the Eritrean B.B King, Selam Sium; EPLF’s Aron Tekie, and many, many new and old guitarists will not be offended by your generosity to accord me that title.
            This song is a 2o-something year old but still precious. Ababa made some more memorable singles after that Album.
            A bit about Ababa Haile: She started in 1980 while she was a small girl, in the early eighties, they would put her up on a chair or a table so that the audience could see her singing. She was determined to learn the guitar. What distinguishes her is that she is not only a singer but a serious musician who has a sound theoretical basis on what she does. She writes her songs (melodies, composition, and most lyrics, she got some lyrics from renowned lyrics writers, including Issayas Tsegay and Solomon Drar).
            I will predict Tzigereda will ignore you unless she comes out to dismiss my prediction:)
            Abeba’s latest Single: I call upon haileTG to plug his ears. HaileS will write a poem about the great Ababa Haile…
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PboSIK7gve8

          • haileTG

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I like Abeba”s music and guitar alot. I know the lyrical content is always the problem, enda sansur kelowu etay yegiber:) Any way, the Indian wash-man and his donkey parable comes to mind with “ata nezi’mo men yrekbo” despite what we all know to be our reality. 😃

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mahmoud,
            I predict it is this kind of music that will move gual gezawtey. Listen to Feven’s reprise, ቃና ሱሳታት። ቀደም ብቛልዑትና፡ ትዊስ ተገ ናይ በዓለገ፡ እንዳበልና ክንደርፍ ከለና።
            https://youtu.be/hNuyM1HL7k8።

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mahmoud,
            I predict it is this kind of music that will move gual gezawtey. Listen to Feven’s reprise, ቃና ሱሳታት። ቀደም ብቛልዑትና፡ ትዊስ ተገ ናይ በዓለገ፡ እንዳበልና ክንደርፍ ከለና።
            https://youtu.be/hNuyM1HL7k8

          • saay7

            Haile:

            Gwal gezawtkha Feven Actually has a song that combines two classics:

            Chekan eiki (changed to chekan eika), by Haile Ghebru (Zerai Deres Band)
            Temanina dina by Yonus Ibrahim

            She skips entire verses but she is forgiven 🙂

            https://youtu.be/343fJY2_I6Q

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sal,
            ፌቨን ገጀረት ድዩ ገዛውታ? እሞ ጠዓመልና! ቆርጫጭ’ውን ካብ ገጀረት እዩ እኮ። ጓል ገዛውተይ ንጽገረዳ እዩ ነይሩ። ቆርጫጭ ዝተኻፈሎ ዘመናዊ ደርፊ ብናዝራዊ እምበኣር እንሃለካ። ፍቕሪ ሓበሻ ጊስ! እናበልካ፡ ጠብ እንዳበልካ።
            https://youtu.be/fB5CKCnixJ8

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            It’s not only Abi who says Tekle Tesfazghi is an Ethiopian. I also say that. Tekle is an Ethiopian. You can’t have him. Give it up. Tekle is an original member and part owner and founder of one of the most successful bands in ETHIOPIAN music, Roha band. Not Eritrean band mind you..an Ethiopian band..so back off Tekle..

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I know logic is in short supply these days but he sang two song in support of Ghedli and was arrested for them. I will give you until 2020 to come up with names of Ethiopian artists who did that.

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Sal,
            In addition, what I remember when in I was in addis is that whenever his name was brought up, people never failed to mention that he was የቁም እስረኛ, an Eritrean in open prison in Ethiopia, most likely a sequel of the event you mentioned.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Singing against Derg and getting arrested for it, I can give you 10 names, if you want. But, since you asked only 2 I will give you 4
            Telela Kebede
            Getachew Debalke
            Minilik Wesenachew
            Abitew Kebede (Currently prominent pastor Afaan Oromo Singer)

            Now, please enjoy Tekle Tesfazghi composed song with him playing conga drum emotionally,when Kuku Sebsibe is singing it.. it’s called “… ይቺ ነች ሀገሬ…”

            There..boom..that’s the proof..😂😂
            https://youtu.be/Ip-W_bvDTWY

          • saay7

            Selamat Eyobai:

            That was a good answer to a question I did not ask 🙂

            Read the question again.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No..that was an answer for a question you DID ask. The jest of your question is “Tekle is SO brave Eritrean, he sang a song አንጻር መንግስቲ 😂😂 in support of those, who were fighting the gov. Of the day and that proves he’s Eritrean. You proceeded to challenge me to give you 2 names of Ethiopian artists who did the same. As in who sang songs against the same government Tekle did.

            I responded by providing you 4 names of Artists, who did the same. Case closed.

            I added a video proof that shows Tekle steeped in emotional state, when a song he composed called ይች ነች ሀገሬ is played to show you that he was in love with Ethiopia. There… 😂😂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            The Weyane-era Eyob was much sharper than the Abiy-era Eyob:

            If you are demanding the names of Ethiopian artists in support of Ghedli, why on Earth would they do that? They don’t even know what Ghedli is and didn’t even understand Ghedli’s cause.

            😂😂😂😂😂

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob m
            Eritrean is an original member and part owner and founder of ethiopia was the argument of the previous regimes of ethiopia, but after the fact that, it been 27 years since eri got its independence, u still argued the same logic in individual level. And u probably call urself doctor or may be who knows.
            How about PIA used to go to school in dassie and he used to hold ethiopian passport, so he is ethiopian argument? Or what about helen paulos have ethiopia music so that she is ethiopian?
            U people need to start over from scratch. I mean try to consul what ever u think u know and start to know a new thing from scratch, may be that way , u people make sense.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay and Beyan,

            Helpful exchanges to understand where things stand. [U]ntil Eritrean and Ethiopian Christians and Muslims instinctively defend each other from State violence, all their “we have a harmonious co-existence blah blah blah” will remain half-complete” is a powerful statement whose destiny could determine direction of development may take in the future.

            This point gets less attention. Some “etiopiawinet” fixated traditionalist stakeholders either purposefully ignore it or nonchalantly wish it away. Given asymmetry of social and economic formations that pervade the broad spectrum of Ethiopian scene, the differentiation of constituencies could simplify and emerge along the Moslim-Christian divide. Astute political observers like Aregawi Berhe who had been watching developments in Ethiopia from outside, have come to realization what the persistent “Dimxachn yisemma” call meant when appraised within broader grass roots demographic realities.

            When it comes to Eritrea, the nHna nisu, nsu nHna crowd in Eritrea fare worse off in relation to this equation. Their fixation in calculated (!) “persevarance” of “kulu yekealo” with support of police state tools would remedy lopsided relation. One could read this in the ” we- always-win” mindsets the ongoing celebrations and euphoria are exhibiting.

  • Paulos

    Selam Hope,

    The other thread is not active, according to Disqus that is.

    Well, the Politburo member of TPLF, Tedros Hagos [not Tedros Adhanom] is Dr. Debbas’ nephew and it is not surprising that he feels more like an Ethiopian when he talked about the new WHO director.

    That said, Isaias is reputed to be uncomfortable with people of excellent academic standing much less around a man who has done well in the area of Medicine including Haile Mezgebe. But of course, Isaias may kill dreams but he can not kill the human spirit and hope the need to help the country is still alive on their part for Isaias is all too human.

    • Hope

      Selam Doc:
      Glad u read it before the Mod deleted it but not sure why if they did so,unless for National Security Interest reasons as it was a serious and truthful narration,testimony,disclosure and exposure of the PFDJ Corruption at its “BEST”!

      Or they might have thought that HOPE was lying and making up stories!

      But it also disclosed the best ,GENUINE and Maximum effort of concerned Eri Citizens for the best interest of Eritrea and Eritreans!

  • kazanchis

    Hello all,

    I’m glad the red tape and those officials in charge deny Ethiopian investors, rushing to invest while Eritreans are systematically denied a chance to develop their country is a kick in the teeth. So for those of us with a room to reason, this news comes as thrilling as it possibly could.

    Eritrean government used US, TPLF and border dispute as stumbling block for its democratic and economic reforms. Now, those obstacles are not around and these repressive methods are unjustified, although unjustified throughout, it’s high time to find another scapegoat or do the reforms.

    Peace!

    • Aligaz G

      kazanchis

      The avg Ethiopian investor = land speculator only interested in a sure thing and irrationally risk averse. And Al Moudi is still in jail. I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over this issue if I were you.

      cheers

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam kazanchis,

      The first and foremost crucial tool for stability and development is the RIGHTS OF PEOPLES TO ELECT THE BODY THAT GOVERNS THEM. Outside this pivotal pillar any infrastructure and development projects executed will be burnt down to ashes by angry citizens who didn’t get their rights, example what happened in Ethiopia.

      Isaias in about 2000 said that “ደርሆ ገመድ እንተንዋሕካላ ዝፈታሓካያ ይመስላ”.
      My friend, the main reform is that you do in the governance system; the rest is the natural result of a nation free of tyranny. Eritreans are not animals when they get fodder keep quiet and when they don’t find it moos.

    • Hope

      Kazanchis:
      Meskerem.Net and TN promised and advised us to be patient until Sept -1.
      Let us give it sometime.
      The staunch PFDJ Supporters @ TN started becoming FURIOUS as u sound for the same reason,which is a good sign that the Silent Majority will push HARDER on Issu!

      • Now inc.

        Hope,
        M&TN act as if they have insider info. They don’t. Neither does the overrated Hagerwi Dihnet.
        Leave it or take it, Yemane G/M is the only one with real insider info.

        • Hope

          Now Inv:

          let me correct what you said:”Leave it or take it, ONLY PIA is the only one with real insider info”.
          You are too slow today but you also told us the same by saying;”I prefer to be reserved for now until Sept”.

          Reply

          • Now inc.

            Hope,
            1) IA is action-taker. YG is insider/observer/witnesser to the action.
            2) Wrong quote. I will wait for the Sept announcement* but won’t put on hold breathing, eating, commenting and other life obligations
            * hopefully he won’t designate Medrek and others as terrorist groups. Just kidding😀

  • ‘Gheteb

    Gaslighting Eritrea

    Greetings!!

    Oh, yeah, Eritrea and Eritreans are incessantly and seriously gaslighted these days by non other than those who have gussied up the appellation of “The Eritrean opposition groups”. Is there anything that they haven’t mouthed that denigrates Eritrea and Eritreanism under the PFDJ? Is there any ruse and deception that they haven’t deployed that impugns the patriotism of those who have steadfastly and unflinchingly defended Eritrea and Eritreanism?

    Has there been even one instance in which these opposition groups subordinated their political agenda so much so that Eritrea’s national interest took the highest priority? Has there been even one instance in which their modus operandi of “we oppose whatever the PFDJ supports and support whatever the PFDJ opposes” in which they have taken an exception?

    The answer to the afore-posed queries is, of course, a resounding NO. They have unfailingly and consistently did anything and everything that opposed PFDJ stances even if that opposition stood counter to Eritrea’s national interest. For the past two decades they have been immersed neck-deep in the seas whence they have been blaming the PFDJ for all the ills that has befallen on Eritrea. In short, they have been unremittingly GASLIGHTING Eritrea and Eritreanism.

    The term “gaslight” refers to a situation where someone manipulates you into questioning and second-guessing your reality and even your sanity through psychological manipulations and other techniques. In our case, we have been gaslighted since the early 90s and deploying this technique rumors, innuendoes, out and out lies manufactured stories continue unabated in the hope of making Eritreans to second-guess and question the prevailing realities in Eritrea.

    First, in the early nineties the took the Sudanese side in the Eritrea Sudan conflict.

    Second, they sided with Yemen in the Eritrea Yemen dispute.

    Third, not only they sided with the Weyanes, they became the spokespersons of the Ethiopian regime in its war against Eritrea.

    Fourth, they are still siding with Djibouti in its dispute with Eritrea. They have been echoing and supporting the Djiboutian narratives.

    Fifth, they supported the TPLF version of the EEBC and they are still supporting it.

    Sixth, not only they supported the sanctioning of Eritrea, they still don’t want to see its lifting.

    Seventh, they are against the Ethio-Eritrean peace deal.

    Eighth, though they are flacking themselves as advocates of Eritrea sovereignty and territorial integrity, no other forces had worked hard to destroy Eritrea’s unity.

    And so on and so forth.

    I mean the gaslighting of Eritrea by the elements of the Eritrean opposition groups has literally left no stone unturned in its effort of leapfrogging and finagling into power even if that was to entail the destruction of Eritrea as nation or a country.

    • Aligaz G

      ‘Gheteb

      If I am not mistaken there is a power dynamic in gaslighting. The way you are using the term is like claiming in court a kidnapper tragically suffered from Stockholm syndrome therefore yada bada bing the court should dismiss. But then again may be you are running a reverse gaslight or some other exotica which nobody’s ever heard of. But then again maybe not it seems so much trouble. Wait maybe this is a trial. No it can’t be this move was debuted in … check the dehai archives. No yes no maybe maybe maybe. See I am already doubting myself. Amazing this thing actually works

      cheers

    • saay7

      Selamat Cuz Gheteb and awatistas:

      Since the Isaiasists will gaslight anything including the very meaning of the word “gaslighting” let’s start with definition before we give examples.

      “Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim’s belief.”

      The term originates in the systematic psychological manipulation of a victim by her husband in the 1938 stage play Gaslight, known as Angel Street in the United States, and the film adaptations released in 1940 and 1944. In the story, a husband attempts to convince his wife and others that she is insane by manipulating small elements of their environment and insisting that she is mistaken, remembering things incorrectly, or delusional when she points out these changes.

      So as you can see already, none of the examples Cuz Gheteb gave apply. I suggest the following do:

      1A. For the umpteenth time, we will never ever allow any foreign country to establish bases in Eritrea. This is what makes Eritrea different from all other countries.
      1B. We have given UAE a base and by doing so we have outsmarted those who wanted to isolate us.

      2A. We will hire lobbyist and conduct interviews to convince the US to establish a military base in Massawa instead of Yemen or Djibouti.
      2B. The US asked us to establish a military base but we said no.

      3A. We have designed a constitution unlike any other in the world because it was people driven, and we conducted thousands of meetings with the people to ensure that it’s exactly what the people want.
      3B. We had to get rid of the constitution because Dr Bereket, the chief drafter of the constitution, compromised it by saying he would be open to amending it to reflect their concerns.
      3C. Actually, we had to get rid of it because when it was written the Warsay did not have a hand in its drafting because they were too young then.
      3D. I don’t want to debate is it alive is it dead but we are going to draft something but I don’t want to call it a constitution but law of governance. There is no timeline for it.

      4a. Final and binding means final and binding: no negotiation no normalization with Ethiopia until they leave from every inch of Eritrean territory. This is such a matter of principle for us that we will hold on to this view no matter what and however long it takes.
      4b: all the things we said above only applied if Ethiopia is governed by TPLF. If someone else is in charge of Ethiopia, demarcation can wait, troop removal can wait, what matters is peace, love, and normalization.

      5a. Those who say Eritrea and Ethiopia are “one people” have ambitions of subjugating Eritrea. We have written lots of literature on this and we have made it very clear to the author of “Identity Jilted”
      5b. Anyone who says Eritreans and Ethiopians are two People’s doesn’t know history.

      5a. National Service is designed to ensure that people from different ethnic groups of Eritrea get to know one another and get immersed in the crucible of Eritreanism. Its indefinite nature is only due to the fact that war has been imposed on us and the state of war has not been lifted by the Ethiopian parliament.
      5b. National Service is like the Marshal Plan: a way to rehabilitate a post war Eritrea. It’s part of the country’s national development plan.
      5c. National Service indefinite nature will soon January 2018 become finite.
      5d. No it won’t be; we never said that.

      6a. What G-15? Only 3-4 of the G-15 are treasonous. The rest were misled by them.
      6b. All G-15 are treasonous and they were sharing information with the enemy include the GPS location of President Isaias so he could be targeted.

      6a. I don’t him (Joshua.) If I don’t know him, how can I tell you where he is?

      7a. Qatar is so trustworthy and such an ally that all questions about the Djibouti mediation should be directed to them.
      7b. Qatar has always been dangerous Islamists who want to destabilize Eritrea.

      Haile TG, others: you can make this list reach a 100.

      saay

      • Ismail AA

        Hayak Allah saay,
        I wish this were a process of litigation before a judge and jury.
        What a memory and power of expression!. Be blessed brother.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo,

          Saay has an impressive memory of anything. When One has such kind of memory, the only thing he has to do is, to formulate his thought chronologically, in order to mimic the memory of others. That is why debate engagement with him is always stimulating and magnetic to bring the best of others to the debate. Though, we are contrarian in ideological and philosophical take, he is one of the best assets for change in the discourse of our politics. I envy his memory and his style of debate. God bless him.

          Look, how he made him naked to the regime functionary. Amazing.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman H,

            He is amazing. Ever vigilante and ready to respond, ask and analyze; and always with bonus added. Just a few days back, he surprised me by responding to what I scribbled when I thought he would be snoring and denying sleep to whoever slept near his bed. I wondered, and dared to ask him when he sleep or how long his working day is. Aman, you have adored as every one of us does, when he stands contrary to someone’s view. His resourcefulness and wealth of information to throw generously as gifts turns his sometimes hard dealing to grace. Sincerely, I pray to stay as energetic as he is, and say may Eritrea be blessed with multitudes of his like. Aman, thanks for giving chance to say those few things about the man who deserves.

          • saay7

            Ismailo and Emma:

            Thanks guys. You always make me (and I am sure, my friends) laugh when you compliment my memory. I only remember things that I consider important; on things I don’t consider important–like how to drive from point A to point B without reference to GPS– I have no memory:)

            On the 10 gaslighting examples, I am actually not happy with myself at all because I should have come up with a 100. Here are 3 more:

            11a: Eritrea is the land of the brave and its people are patriotic and will do anything for their country.
            11b: Eritrea is a land where the people you suspect the least–people who founded the revolution, people who spent their entire lives to liberate Eritrea, are traitors. And there are so many of them and they all, coincidentally, seem to be opposed to the rule of Isaias Afwerki.

            12a: We resent the accusation that the Government of Eritrea is violating the rights of Eritreans because we have a constitution we ratified that prohibits us from doing that (quote chapter and verse)
            12b: The constitution is ratified but it is also dead and we will replace it. Eventually.

            13: Pilot Dejen Andeheshel was arrested without charges for 15 (1999-2014) years, until his escape. He was interviewed by assenna after his escape and he disclosed, among many surreal things that, while in jail, he was discouraged from asking why he was arrested because his question would be offensive as it would imply the government wrongfully arrested him.

            By the way, VOA interviewed Pilot Dejen Andeheshel, now exiled to Sweden, who stays he still feels like he is in prison In the story is also that of his former boss, Brig General Habtezion Hadgu, who protested Dejen’s arrest: and has been made to disappear for 15 years (2003-present.) My memory? I talk to his daughter Semhar once in a while, whenever I want to remind myself I am not imagining this Isaias government’s sadism.

            https://www.voanews.com/a/eritrean-fighter-pilot-escapee-justice-jailed-compatriots/4531515.html

            saay

    • Haile S.

      Selam Gheteb,
      One advamtage of reading you is you send me to Le Dictionnaire. We are permanent learners! Let’s see your arguments from a supporter’s point of view. I used your framework and inserted my wordings transcribed in geez. It doesn’t sound better either.
      From what you, Saleh and what I say below, it is clear who the deceiver and who the deceived is.

      First, in the early nineties ኣወር ጋቨርመንት took ኣዝ ቱ the Sudanese conflict. ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት።
      ዘን ኢት ሪኮንሳይልድ ዊዝ ዚ ሱዳኒዝ፡ ኤንድ ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት።

      Second, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ወንት ቱ ዎር ዊዝ የመን፡ ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዘን ኢት ሪኮንሳይልድ ዊዝ የመን፡ ኤንድ ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት።

      Third, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ወንት ቱ ዎር ዊዝ ዚ ወያነ፡ ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      Fourth, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ሃድ ኤ ዲስፑቲ ዊዝ ጁቡቲ፡ ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      Fifth, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ረፍዩዝድ TPLF version of the EEBC። ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      Sixth, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ኮንደምንድ the sanctioning of Eritrea, ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      Seventh, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ኣግሪድ ቱ the Ethio-Eritrean peace deal. ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      Eighth, ኣወር ጋቨርመንት ኢዝ ኣገይንስት ዞስ flacking themselves as advocates of Eritrea sovereignty and territorial integrity these days, no other forces had worked hard to destroy Eritrea’s unity. ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      And so on and so forth. ዊ ኦል ሳፖርትድ ኢት። ዊ ስቲል ሳፖርት ኢት። ኤንድ ዊ ዊል ሳፖርት ኢት።

      • Paulos

        Selam Hailat,

        Great points! Come weekend, I hope to see Gheteb waving a white flag but the guy comes back with a load of BS instead. But to the very least, as you said it, he enriches us as we learn new words every time he comes back. I thank him for that.

      • Hope

        Selam Haile S:
        Love it but,hey,on a serious note tho,would U be so kind to refute what Prof Dr.Gheteb listed point by point as you sound as if the PFDJ was EXCLUSIVELY responsible for all the problems!

        • Haile S.

          Selam Hope,

          Gheteb’s appellation of “The Eritrean opposition groups” is a big bag where everyone that doesn’t agree with the regime is thrown into. It is a way of deflecting the questions from the driver. The opposition, however we criticize them for their stand and for whatever amount of they contributed to the persistence of the Eritrean problem, the fault is squarely on the driver. Imagine Eritrea as a huge school bus where there is an iron-clad sound proof screen between the driver with his fottorino (fattorino) and the passangers. Its doors are locked, the passengers have no possibility of speaking, convincing, the driver on where he is taking them, why he didn’t respect the stop sign and traffic lights. He takes them wherever he wants. The only choice of the passengers is to throw themselves out of the window. Those passengers who did not board the bus from the begining not trusting the driver could not do anything to convince him. Some of them could have contributed to the accidents he commited on the road and to his traffic violations, but he is the driver. He is completely responsible. Up to him to slowing the bus, listening to the passangers as well as those who shout from outside. He has to stop listening to his own songs. Trying to discredit the opposition now is a futile attempt to take all ‘credit’ upon himself (PIA & Co) for a change he hasn’t moved an inch inside the country. If given the opportunity, the Eritrean people will judge the parts of mayhem the opposition played compared to the regime.

  • Hope

    Hahaha Abisha.

    I heard that PIA might be heading to Bahirdar soon.

    You see how accurate Hope’s predictions are?

    Call it prophecy or Psychic at its BEST.i..

    I told U so.

    Why would you be surprised by those fear-mongering Propagandists?

    BTW,they are very, very UNHAPPY and paranoid about the Ethio-Eritrea peace deal as they will run out of business as their master is-aka the TPLF janda.

    We will keep quarantining them until the last TB carrier is cleared.

    I repeatedly alerted the forum here as to what their agenda might be.

    There is a reason as to why they are after Hope 24/7.

    Never undermine people like Hope, who might sound and act like psychotics and sound like gibberish talkers.

    Mark my word that Hope will prove to you that the following shall be EXCUTED perfectly.

    “Can you imagine Hope Nefse standing at the glass door hustling customers with samples of democracy, justice, equality, peace, friendship, salutations … and guiding customers to your newly opened መደብር ?”

  • MS

    Hey abi
    tegadalay plays it smart, avoidance is part of the game.

    • Abi

      Hi Vet
      I hear you. I think they call it “Strategic withdrawal” in military language.
      ማፈግፈግ in Amharic.

      • MS

        Selab abi
        Not quite as dramatic as withdrawal, but taking a”maintain contact, don’t engage” type of posture.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Abi,
    We have the Medeber, you supply the goods. You have a lot of wasted utensils 🙂 The guy you proposed is coming your way, please accept him with open arms and a prime location for a wefcho-bet 🙂 By the way, as I remember it, you used to supply the guiding employees sufficiently 🙂

    • Paulos

      Selam Ayay,

      Have always been curious. Do you know the history of Medeber? How it started, when it started and who started it? No pressure, if you don’t feel like responding or commenting on it. Thanks.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Paulos Is It. PaulosII henceforth 🙂

        Medeber is station as you know. And the story of medeber has intrigued me because I couldn’t find any information that is credible. But I have heard that as Asmara grew, the population was introduced to modern utensils that were too expensive to acquire. They said it started as. Roba Vecchia exchange place and then anybody who had skills to scavenge raw materials stated to sit around that place with a hammer. Then people started to bring utensils for repair. Some industrious guys invented the mekheskesh, etc. then the knife sharpeners, chair makers “dukka” set shops and it became chaotic. The Italians built and organized the place and soon it became worse and more chaotic place.

        That is what I heard.

        But from my observation the stuff that was made there remained mediocre, no creativity, and no aesthetic interest. Everything was ugly and abysmally primitive and it still is . I am not a fan of that place because it reminds me of how slow we develop if we do that at all. .

        • Paulos

          Selam Ayay,

          Thank you so much. I should give me a credit for tweaking your over active and gifted imagination to explore the history behind the iconic Medeber. And I am sure you are not going to stop there but dig in more. Thank you again.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Hayak Allah Al-Ustath Saleh Johar,

      Do you think the guy has enough faculty to conceive what is written between the lines? According to his answer, I don’t think he has grasped it. Anyhow some of Gibot7 may come and assist him if there is any.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Abdu,

    I want to tell you something, but I know the PFDJ followers are wearing thin skin nowadays despite the peace, so please allow me to give a brief warning…

    [If you are a IA cult member and continue to read, you may get deranged and offended…read at your own risk 🙂 ]

    Now Abdu, the 1991 marriage between Cheguar danga and Koboro junkies happened without much noticing, as everyone was elated by independence. Unfortunately, and obviously, cheguar danga has always been vertically challenged in running a decent house hold. Koboro junkie is also unlikely to re-direct and encourage her husband cheguar danga where support was needed. Koboro junkie has no critical thinking skills to speak of.

    Every time, cheguar danga went out to work, he comes back empty hand yet full of hero stories. Such as how the entire village men conspired to kill him so that he wouldn’t be able to hold his family together, how he met a lion on his way to work and chased him all the way across the furthest village, how everyone is stopping him on his way to work, begging his wisdom on how to lead their lives…of course to do all this cheguar danga had to miss the day’s work and thus there won’t be dinner at the table.

    Koboro jukie says ዋይ ኣቦይ’ዝጊ ክንደይ ክጥዕም፣ ጨጓረይ መዓረይ ብሰላም ወፊሩ ዓወት ዓቲሩ ተመሊሱ! The smartest of her kids are so worked up by cheguar danga’s nonsense and thus having to be the lowest of the low among their peers for no faults of their own. But the foolish one’s follow koboro junkie and and brag ርኢኹሞ’ዶ ባባየ ጨጓር ዳንጋ’ኮ መስክሕ ሓያላ’ዩ based on cheguar danga’s መእተው ገዛ bs.

    The marriage between cheguar danga and koboro junkie is teetering on the edge nowadays, ሞት ሕጹይ፡ ዓው’ልካ ዘይብከዮ ኮይኑዋ’ምበር ምስክነይቲ koboro junkie እንታይ ጽቡቕ ፈዲዩዋ።

    • saay7

      HaileTG:

      Man, Hailat, this is so near perfect the only way to perfect is just with tweak here and there:) Your para I italicized encapsulates the Isaias Afwerki type of leadership: no results, but tons of explanations for the failures. About 8 months ago, in his annual year-end interview, he actually said, “there is nothing to be hopeful about in this country; the only reason to be hopeful is because the alternative is hopelessness.” And that’s the president people actually think is going to take them to the promised land. Anyway, here’s your revised piece:)

      The 1994 marriage between Isaias Afwerki and Ms. PFDJ happened without much noticing, as everyone was elated by the referendum. Unfortunately, and obviously, Isaias Afwerki has always been vertically challenged in running a decent house hold. Ms PFDJ is also unlikely to re-direct and encourage her husband where support was needed. Ms PFDJ (bless her heart) has no critical thinking skills to speak of.

      Every time, Isaias Afwerki went out to work, he comes back empty hand yet full of hero stories. Such as how the entire village men conspired to kill him so that he wouldn’t be able to hold his family together, how he met a lion on his way to work and chased him all the way across the furthest village, how everyone is stopping him on his way to work, begging his wisdom on how to lead their lives…of course to do all this Isaias had to miss the day’s work and thus there won’t be dinner at the table.

      Ms PFDJ says ዋይ ኣቦይ’ዝጊ ክንደይ ክጥዕም፣ ጨጓረይ መዓረይ ብሰላም ወፊሩ ዓወት ዓቲሩ ተመሊሱ! The smartest of her kids are so worked up by Isaias Afwerki’s nonsense and thus having to be the lowest of the low among their peers for no faults of their own. But the foolish one’s follow they mom and brag ርኢኹሞ’ዶ ባባየ ጨጓር ዳንጋ’ኮ መስክሕ ሓያላ’ዩ based on cheguar danga’s መእተው ገዛ bs.

      The marriage between Isaias Afwerki and PFDJ is teetering on the edge nowadays, ሞት ሕጹይ፡ ዓው’ልካ ዘይብከዮ ኮይኑዋ’ምበር ምስክነይቲ: Isaias እንታይ ጽቡቕ ፈዲዩዋ።

      saay

      • haileTG

        Hey saay…Haha whatever works😄 The koboro Junkie after causing so much rioting when I first released it, I was about to let it rest until SGJ offered to take over complete copy rights. Thus I signed it off to him, thus any alteration can be done with his consent:)

        • Saleh Johar

          HaileTG,
          Now that you authenticated the copyright ownership to me, let’s upgrade the brand to “The Andenet Revival Clique” ARC fir short. That is because, while many of the Koboro junkies nab Levon tenelusom, the diehard have adopted the slogan of Andenet under Abiyachin. That petnane is not mine, someone has the copyright for it. 🙂

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Haile TG

      “The 1991 marriage between Cheguar danga and Koboro junkies happened without much noticing, as everyone was elated by independence. Unfortunately, and obviously, cheguar danga has always been vertically challenged in running a decent house hold. Koboro junkie is also unlikely to re-direct and encourage her husband cheguar danga where support was needed. Koboro junkie has no critical thinking skills to speak of.”

      First thing first: let me set the record straight,

      I’M CHEGUAR DANGA AND MY WIFE IS KOBORO JUNKIE. ALSO MY FATHER , MY MOTHER, AND ALL MY FOREFATHERS AND THEIR WIVES WERE CHEGUAR DANGAS AND KEBORO JUNKIES. POOR AND UNEDUCATED PEASANTS, BUT NEVER BETRAYED OR DOUBLECROSSED OUR COMMUNITY IN OUR ENTIRE LIFE. AND I’M PROUD TO SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR.

      Now that out of the way, this is weekend. Meaning it is ሕካያ time. So let me share with you a political cartoon I saw today somewhere. And this is what the message of the cartoon:

      እንዳ ተቓዉሞ፡ ብናይ ወጻኢ ደገፍቲ “ሓገዝ” ድኳን (ዋኒን) ይኸፍቱልካ። እቲ ድኳን ድማ እንዳ ስጋ እዩ። ሓደ መዓልቲ፡ ከምዚ ኸማይ ድኻታት ሰብኣይን ሰበይትን (ሰብ-ኪዳን) vertically challenged in running a decent house hold ኣውዳኣመት ኮይኑ፡ እታ ዝሓሰረት ስጋ ክገዝኡ ናብቲ ድኳን እንዳተቓወምቲ ይኸዱልካ። And this is how the conversation went:

      – ተቓወምቲ – ‘ሓደርኩም ….. እንታይ ክንረድኣኩም?
      – ጨጓር ዳንጋን Koboro junkyን – ሕስር ዘለ ስጋ፡ ነዚ ኣውዳኣመት ክንገዝእ ደሊና
      – ተቓወምቲ – ‘ሞ ‘ቲ ስጋ ሽምዶ የብሉን ‘ዩ?
      – ጨጓር ዳንጋን Koboro junkyን – ኣ ለ ዎ ባ! ልቢ ተለኩምሲ ልቢ ክንገዝእ ኢና መጺና
      – ተቓወምቲ – ኪዱ! ….. ልቢ የብልናን፡ መልሓስ ጥራይ እዩ ዘለና

      እዚኣ ተረሲዕኩም፡ ሞት ትረስዕኩም።

      ሰመረ ተስፋይ

      • haileTG

        Hi Semere,

        Nice and funny… Thx

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi SemereT,
        Misspelling is not a crime and you won’t be penalized for that but be reminded that it is clearly spelt for you in a comment below by Saay. Your place is among the Junkies. Cheguarey is reserved for the special one “anne nissu, nissu nissu”. Zeybotakha kitwesid aytdfer!

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Abi,
    That is coming soon, the “under new management” deal. Only but be prepared for a bumpy road ahead. The new management will be a recycled one from back in the day… I heard they are looking for someone to hire. Job description: stand at the door to hustle customers to come in, like they do it outside stripe tease clubs, Las Vegas and the like. If you know someone interested let them know. Applications can be submitted anywhere near you. 🙂

  • MS

    Hey abi
    Now, you want to put me in more troubles?

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate
    everyone is happy only awate team is not ,keep writting their narrow driven propaganda
    worrying for ethiopian investors and rich than the people itself ,why are we suprise any way
    it wasnt for the people your so called fighter for democracy it s for this kind of thinking to please the ethiopian by all mean and try to figure out what they are thinking cannot wait their money
    if the country was in your hand it show already would have sold it with it people .
    what is the ethiopian want to invest before even the eritrean ,I eritrean if they kept the country intact they know how to develop their country ,
    it peace what eritrean want not their money ,so stop spreading your propaganda
    why you guys are not happy for our peace from day one you guys complaining with the tplf regime ,let it go ,their is no hope for you guys than prison ,
    you did all your best to bring eritrea to its knee with a enemy ,you work in tandem with human traffiker ,you mislead some many innocent with your fake news ,
    how you guys sleepi in night when you know you where lying the whole day ?
    what your judgement would be ?
    god have mercy

  • Paulos

    Selam Hailat S. and Abrehet,

    The Forum needs some sort of change in tone and content as well where the ideas mostly frequented are getting stale. How about a folklore or multiple of them from your boundless reservoir of wisdom? They will recharge and excite the Forum. Me thinks. What say you?

    • Girmay

      Hi Paulos, sorry for the late reply. The other day you advised me to not waste my energy arguing with toxic individuals consumed by hate. I agree with you because there is nothing to learn from individuals like that. Additionally, I don’t want to use this great website for bickering.
      If you notice I am respecful of every fellow brother and sisters of horn Africa. But you know there are some individuals who come to awate.com to defame and spread hate toward Tigreans . I don’t think anyone will deny that. That been the case I will speak up, without violating awate.com posting guidelines.
      I enjoy reading diverse political opinions but I dislike the subtle hate messages toward any ethnic groups .

    • Haile S.

      Selam Paul,

      Sorry, I saw your message this evening. Sure I will try to remember or read something. Till then, let me tell you a true story about an astute lady in our neighbourhood decades back in Edaga Hamus (EH). Incidentally, her name was Abrehet. W/o Abrehet had some knowledge of Italian. She had a lot of relatives coming from nearby Hamasien villages to EH to sell livestock at the Saturday market there. Let me switch to tigrigna now. ካብቶም ወረድቲ ዕዳጋ፡ እቶም ቀረባ ኣዝማደን ኣብቲ ካንሸሎአን ይሓድሩ ነበሩ። ወ/ሮ ኣብረሀት ለጋስ ነበራ። ነቢት ካብ ገዘአን ኣይፍለን ነበረ እሞ፡ ነጋይሸን መጥዓሚ ይጋብዝኦም ነበራ። ብዛዕባ ናይ ነቢት ልግሰን ወረ ኣብ ዓዲ ምስበጽሐን ምስተባዝሐን፡ ጋሻ ምስበዝሐን ግና ኣይከኣላን። ሓደ መዓልቲ ሓደ ጋሻ ነቢት ክጥዕም ትሃንጥዩ ዝመጸ፡ ነቢት ምስ ደንጎዮ፡ ኣንቲ ኣብረሀት ሓውተይ እዛ ነቢት ኣይተጥዕምናን ዲኺ ኢሉ ሓተት። ወ/ሮ ኣብረሀት፡ እውይ ኩስቶ ሓውይ፡ ሓቕኻ እንዲኻ። ለንቅነ ተወዲኡኒ እንድኣሉ። በል ሕጂ ፊንታ-ነቢት ከስትየካ እየ ዝሓወይ። ኣንቲ መንኺ፡ ፋኑስ፡ ጸዳል፡ ንዒ’ስኪ፣ ዱካን እንዳ በያን ኬድኪ፡ ፊንታ-ነቢት ግዝኢ። ንዒ ቀልጥፊ ካይመሰየ ኢለን ንጓለን ልኣኸኣ። ፋኑስ እንዳ ዱካን ከይዳ፡ ንበያን ፊንታ-ነቢት ሃበኒ በልቶ። በያን ትቕብል ኣቢሉ፡ መን ከምኡ ኢሉ ልኢኹኪ በላ። ፋኑስ፡ ማማየ በለቶ። ሽዑ በያን፡ ፋኑስ ፊንታ-ነቢት ማለት፡ ኣብዚ በጺሕኪ ጥራይ ኢድኪ ተመሊስኪ፡ ተወዲኡ ኢልኪ ተዛረቢ ማለት እዩ መለሳ። Finta in italian means pretence.

      • Paulos

        Selam Hailat,

        That is just a beautiful story. Thank you so much. This is the kind of authentic stories we need more often so that we don’t get carried away with heavy stuff.

        እንዳ ዓለቦይ ዕዳጋ ሓሙስ እዩ and used to visit almost every weekend. The story brought back childhood memories. Thanks again.

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    Few comments ago we talked about dictatorships and how they muzzle their followers. Actually there is a much better story of The Indian wash-man and his donkey” that captures an aspect of the silent fellowship that characterizes the environment of a dictatorship.

    A story is told about the traditional wash-men found in India. What the wash-men do is that they go house to house with a donkey to collect dirty laundry, they then pile it on the donkey back and fasten it there and make their way to the rocky river banks. There they wash the dirty garment to a sparkly clean state and lay it out all over the rocks for it to dry on the hot sun. Once dry, they crisply fold up the garments, fasten it back on their donkey back and return to the villages to hand it back to the owners and get paid.

    One day, a man who does this job for a living, goes out to work. He collects the cloths and fastens it back on his donkey’s back and makes his way to the river bank. Having arrived there and setting up to start his day’s work, he realizes that he forgot the rope with which to tie up his donkey at home and starts to get really stressed. If he goes back to fetch it then he will miss the hottest time of the sun thus the cloths won’t dry. He starts cursing his luck while taking back and forth steps and gesturing erratically out of frustration.

    A wise man happens to be walking by the river bank and sees the man. He stops and asks him what is troubling him so much. The wash-man explains what has happened and the wise man, sure enough, tells him not worry at all. He tells him to take his donkey to the usual spot he ties it at and station it there. Then to do all the normal hand and body movements as if he is tying the donkey, and leave it there. The wise man goes away and the wash-man does what he had been told, as the donkey watch. To his surprise, to donkey remained standing still, as it would do when tied. And the wash man completes his job, loads the donkey at the end of the day and yells at it to go. But the donkey stood still and wouldn’t move. So, the wash-man notices the wise man on his return journey and runs to him and tells him that his donkey refused to move. The wise man then tells him to go back to the donkey and do all the hand and body gestures as if he is untying it. The wash-man runs back to his donkey and does exactly that. Thus his donkey started to move in a normal pace that it usually does.

    The moral is that followers of dictatorship act as if they are in a “life and death” situation as Hope said yesterday based on machinations of of the dictator. Then they act as if they are in a peace and game over situation based on the counter movements of the same dictator. Their objective reality however was always free to do what they think is right. But they can’t do it because the illusion of being in some state is strongly believed in their head just like that poor donkey.

    HTG

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam HaileTG,

      A good story. It shows how supporters of dictatorships mass-behave like pre-programmed robots.

      By the way, dictatorships do not muzzle their supporters; they only muzzle their OPPONENTS. By definition, supporters praise their idols, and they do it without being muzzled.

  • Blink

    Dear all
    Aretha Franklin passed away at 76 . What a graceful human being. The impact of her music 🎼, especially as the giant of soul music. The voice she gave to Human Right as well as the African American society lives on.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Blink,

      Straight talking Duterte is at it again.

      Duterte Tells Catholic Bishops: ‘I Want to Kick Your Backside’

      “Is there any bishop here? I want to kick your a*s, and the priest,” told the crowd in Manila’s Malacanang palace on Tuesday. Duterte went on to call the Catholic Church “the most hypocritical institution in the Philippines” and insult the practice of venerating saints.

      The Philippines website Politko also quotes Duterte as claiming that donations to the church are used to fund orphanages full of illegitimate children belonging to the clergy.

      • Blink

        Dear Simon
        He is right because the Catholic Church is equal to prison in Philippines . You know divorce is illegal because one catholic rapist says so . I think these religious people are the narcotic leaders of our modern society. Here we have some religious apologists who wanted to use religion to take them to power .

    • MS

      Selam blink
      Don’t worry, you are not a zealot. Religious clocks are not excuses for abusing children. As long as you target the predators, you are fine. As far as Islam or any other religion-based democracy is concerned, it is a futile exercise. That’s why there is no alternative to the principle of separating religion from politics or as we put it here in the states, “the separation of church and state.”

  • AMAN

    Shalom
    Awates…!
    .
    I think what is needed and that can the best solution to the ongoing political change and developments in Ethiopia and the Horn pplitics is another 27 yrs
    of ” corrected” TPLF leadership ” of Ethiopia. This seems so feasible, acceptable by many and best solution to pull Ethiopian politics out of the quagmire. As I see it so many non Tigrian Ethiopians have accepted and have loved it- the Last 27 yrs Tplf /Eprdf
    rule already but th determined opposition was only coming out from the TPDM and those Tigrians who were sidelined by its un inclusive or alienating narrow policies.
    Thus if it is already accepted by many Ethiopians outside Tigrai region state and if efforts are made to include or accomodate the TPDM and those left outside alienated by PMMZ and his Tplf
    then ” corrected ” or reformed Tplf/ Eprdf can be the choice and the most desired party to lead Ethiopian political change and progress for the coming next 27 yrs
    and overwhelmingly supported by majority Ethiopans.

  • Mez

    Dear Gedab News,

    In the past few weeks, the Eritrean- Ethiopian leaders effectively succeeded to: a) end the state of war between the two nations, b) declare unhindered peace between them, c) agreed to immediately work towards normalcy between the two people.

    This declaration of peace and friendship process is unmatched in the history of the two nations. That shall be celebrated as such.

    That the “investment climate in Eritrea is not attractive” is like stating the obvious.

    The Eritrean economy is still a war economy with least economic incentives to entrepreneurs, skilled labourers, wealth creators, and profetionals alike.

    The two senior “sick” army officials you mentioned in the news, happens to me more like “war profilers” or even more “war lords” than servants of the nation.

    Thanks

    • Paulos

      Selam Mez,

      War economy? I would say, ሳክቲዝም economy instead.

      • DreadFool

        Selam, a _war economy is still an _economy. Eritrea is hand to mouth, if the mouth in question today, is so lucky. The 1 percenters are a usual exempt from reality.

    • Blink

      Dear Mez
      I am astonished to see some Ethiopians to think like they are welcomed to invest in Eritrea just like that . I mean they have unrealistic expectations of the peace process at hand . It will take time to remove all the restrictions for such people to do business in Eritrea. What kind of reception were they waiting? I mean the environment is still at war footing.

      • Hope

        Selam Blink.
        I would let the Ethiopian roam around Asmera,Massawa and Aseb so that the Eritreans can do the same and even better IN Addis,Hawassa,Diredawa,Bahirdar,etc—

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Mez, what peace? Are you talking about a different Eritrea in different planet? What has really changed in terms of bringing the lives of Eritreans to normalcy, any tiny sign? Forty days into the signing of the so called peace and friendship agreement, Eritreans are still getting rounded to Sawa, still spending their lives with rocks guarding a perceived enemy, still languishing in hundreds of prisons in their thousands, still fleeing to find a respite from the evil that is rulling their land, still not allowed to harness their knowledge, skills, and experiences to improve their lives inside their own country, still scared to death for expressing their views, etc. And that godforsaken border which was used by the despots to send the peoples to their deaths, is not even being discussed let alone to be demarcated.

      • Mez

        Dear Abraham H,

        Yes indeed. Governmental policy reform related things on the ground are slow. Very very slow.

        Thanks

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Mez, well, I don’t think this has to do with the speed of bringing the desired reforms. If someone is not interested to bring those reforms in the first place, it doesn’t make any difference in the speed of enforcing them. From day one, I’m convinced that this so called rapprochment has nothing to do towards the interest of the Eritrean people, but it has everything to do with solidifying the power of the new political leaders in Ethiopia, as well as that of the Eritrean despot. The Eritrean dictator has never had any well wish towards the Eritrean people, it is all about his mountain size ego of controlling people, of excercising unhinged power over the masses; even extending this sick desire towards Ethiopia, if he could. Unfortunately, it seems he has managed to put the new Ethiopian politcal leadership under his trap; as can be evidenced by the cosy relationship he is forging with the new PM, and his politcal bed-fellows. This allignment of forces is all targetted towards the powerful Weyanes, who have given the Eritrean dictator a hard time and a traumatic experience when he tried to dominate them in the 90’s.
          I don’t see any movement of the situation in Eritrea as long as there is this evil person rulling the land. We have got to rid ourselves of this menace by any means possible.

        • Hope

          Mez:
          And for a reason….
          Sirah menghisti bi’ti’ighisti

    • Hope

      Mez;
      Good points but stick to your stand and don’t be swayed by the fear-mongers.

  • MS

    Selam All
    Some folks are artistic in making up stories, you know like the story Kibrom brought some time ago, about the DC-130 landing at Sawa AIRPORT, supposedly carrying EWgyptian commandos to storm Easter Sudan….how about yesterday’s report by some nonentity “media networks” that the entire Eritrean army along the Xorona front had crossed to Abaay Tigray, together with its commanding Generals!?
    Here you can see, one is cleverly made up, something that could happen, taking into consideration the then heightened tension between Eritrea and Sudan, while the later is a lousy one prepared as a bait for those who dream of the collapse of Eritrea, and was meant for Youtube hits. I never clicked it but Hayat Adem did, according to iSem reports, despite the fact that she is the smartest Wayaneyti among us
    Some Fake news are presented cleverly while others are not. That’s why Gen.Nit and blink say not all FAKE news are born equal. I know now.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam MS,

      Why you waste your time in empty talks and fake stories, please provide us with news about your fiend WANAW ETHIOPIAWI ISAIAS and his fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት). If you don’t mind it also tell us about your exact location in the equation.

      I guess you are unable to chew what your fiend has done. He has told you on your face that he is an Ethiopian. I think the message is clear; it just requires a talent that understands. I think it is better to stop here. It is not good to disturb Ethiopians who are visiting their ISLANDS and swimming in their SEA.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Mahmuday
      There is no surprise here. Fake news is part and parcel of the social media. If you remember HGDF(PDFJ) has invented fake news but we used to call it 03 (ባዶ ሰለስተ), when PDFJ foot solders were spreading fake news saying that “our government doing this and that” This is before Trump claimed that he coined the term fake news.

      • MS

        Selam Amanuel
        You are missing the point. The question is not about the use or the prevalence of fake news, or its origin, but about the degree of cleverness and resourcefulness their MAKERS are judged by. Also, there is difference between rumors (like in 03) and FAKE NEWS, which is presented to mimic true news. Even in open forum discourses, there is difference between something you overhear that you could not authenticate, and something that, say, SAAY brings here, as an opinion-maker, or as a member of this forum. So, bro, I’m not raising the origin of fake news, but the degrees in which they differ when presented for consumption. Some are believable others are lousy.
        The best practice is for the originator to pull back a story that has been found to have been misleading, and apologize.
        Gracias.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam MS,

          You are too superficial to prove FAKE NEWS, but how about your FAKE OPPOSITION personality? I think you have no face to stand in front of true Eritreans. The only place you can feel good and get an applaud is with the (ቅዳሓት). I think you suffer from inferiority complex.

          • Hope

            Al Arabi:
            With all due respect ,Dude,you should be the last person to accuse Vet Teghadelti.
            Have no clue as to who you might be in order to accuse or to admire you.
            What is Kidahh?
            CC or fake?
            Would you mind to tell us as to who u r.?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Hope,

            I am Ginbot7, agent of Isaias. I am from the remnants of Mingistu.

        • Amanuel

          Hi mahmuday
          Like in any profession there are professionals and amateurs. It is not something you should lose sleep over.
          If you remember two days after the Ethiopia army captured Badme, 03 sent very amateurish fake news claiming that our army (Eritrean) took counter attach and overrun the Ethiopia army. These things are part of the 21st century news.

  • Blink

    Dear all
    The Amhara regional state delegation are heading to Asmara for talks with Issaias , no farther information is provided. We know lema was in Asmara and meet with Issaias. Is the TPLF group next to go to Asmara ?

    Do the 2000 Eritreans who were aiding Al shebab return to Eritrea ? Any information from Eritrean independent media , I mean how long can they be there ? The Egyptians are rumored to be stationed in Sawa …., how could kibrom lose such Saudi quest to get Eritrean troops ?

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Blink,

      Is there any news about the fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት)? Did they cross the border to their MAMA? Please, provide us if you have any news.

      • Blink

        Dear hameed
        Cheers . You are at it again. Come when you are not sober .

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Blink,

          Ahlan ቅዳሕ, how did you get your MAMA bosom? I hope you are entertaining. When you long for a visit to ABASHAWIL inform me earlier to prepare for you a visa. Don’t forget to attach a thorough health checkup with your new passport.

          • Natom Habom

            sela hameed AL SHINTI
            do you know your ancestors come from tigray to work abashawil so we got you with your identity complex and now arguing you are above us ,you go found out about grand pa first and after maybe you can stand with the lords of the land ,our identity are clear we dont flip flop once arab once somaly and issayas is beyond far from your level ,he dont even know you exist please be humble even if it is beyond your comprehension
            you attacking Eritrean the same as refugee are attacking people that shelter and feed them keep playing this game and keep pushing eritrean to their limit ,awake the monster and you will have what you wish

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Natom,

            It is amazing to see people with differing political positions accusing each other of being Tigrayans.

            The parallels with most Muslim countries is interesting. There, competitors habitually accuse each other of being hidden Jews. This happened between the Muslim Brotherhood [MB] and General Sisi [ISIS when read backwards], as well as in Iran and Syria.

            General Sisi claimed that the founder of the MB, Hassan al Banna had a Moroccan Jewish ancestry, while the MB reciprocated by saying Sissi is a crypto-Jew, taking his day to day guidance from the Mossad.

            Few years ago, during an election, Ahmedinejad and his opponents such as Mousavi and Mehdi Kerroubi were calling each other a Jew.

            Similar accusations are being thrown around between the Alawite Assad the Sunni rebels.

            The common thread in all these countries is the existence of a core conspiracy theory infested population.

          • Natom Habom

            selam simon
            I think you should see what he means by ቅዳህ
            I called only those who think their above and attack other in basis of race and religion? stop your nonsense and if we supposed like that is because in all platform media paltalk or forum most of are tigrayan
            acting as eritrean

          • Simon Kaleab

            Natom,

            Nonsense? What nonsense?

            Relax and rejoice. All of us are ቅዳህ, either from Sudan or Ethiopia or Yemen.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            Tell him loudly as you can, may be he is a deaf person, that his god has said that we are Ethiopians. If he is an Ethiopian, then in straightway he is a fake Eritrean (ቅዳሕ). I think this is not a rocket science which is very intricate to absorb.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            All of us are ቅዳሕ means it will include you as well. Relax, it is not the end of the world.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            I think the issue is clear doesn’t require much explanation. The despot has declared that he is WANAW ETHIOPIAWI, this means, he is fake Eritrean (ቅዳሕ). I hope everything is clear now. If you are not from the KOBORO JUNKIE, I am sure, you will grasp it quickly.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            You have labelled nearly everyone. Can you now tell us which type of ቅዳሕ you are?

            The Koboro Junkies are more logical than you think. I can recommend a ‘Game Theory’ [the Mathematics of Conflict Resolution] book for you to read, but the question is, do you have the aptitude?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            You said, “You have labelled nearly everyone.” NO! NO! NO! Don’t make a grave mistake. I am only labelling the Abogalia Hashewiyi who has declared publicly that he is an Ethiopian. Are you one of his worshipers? If you are one of them, which I wish you are not, then you are fake Eritrean, which means in Tigrinia,ቅዳሕ. You seem to say “Amawutuna”. I think no true Eritrean will be deceived by a ቅዳሕ any more. ኣብ ዘይሳለጠልካ ስራሕ ህርድግ ኣይትበል::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            How about answering my question?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            I have read your mind, understood how it functions, knew where it is heading, conceived its desire and comprehended its limitation. The result is unencouraging: it likes to live in solitude, very aggressive towards others; it thinks God has created her alone, the rest are not created by God. It understands life in a very odd way. I hope your question is answered just read between, above, below and on the lines in previous and this comment. If you feel any difficulties, contact the wash-man who has an experience in dealing with KOBORO JUNKIES and ቅዳሓት::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            So, now, you can read the minds of ቅዳሓት and Koboro Junkies. Can you also read your own mind?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            You see Mr. Simon, the KOBORO JUNKIES and ቅዳሓት always ask silly questions.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            Nice excuse for refusing to answer.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Natom Habom,

            It is very crucial alluding to the importance of a compass. For instance, when a plane pilot loses contact with ground stations and his compass is not functioning, then he is in a serious danger. The end almost will be a tragedy. Likewise, when a person goes crazy almost he is done.

            Having said that. let me go back to Mr. Natom; first, you have to comprehend that I am not the one who said that you are fake Eritrean (ቅዳሕ), but your boss. I think Isaias said that publicly for all the world to see. He said I am an Ethiopian and anyone who doesn’t know this means he doesn’t know history. Therefore, if you have any fight you have to do it with your god.

            For the rest how far you are a trash your comment exposes and directly lucidifies its incompatibility with the decent culture of Eritreans. I think it is not difficult nowadays to scrutinize a ቅዳሕ from true Eritrean. You have to conceive profoundly, Mr. Natom, Eritreans do not gamble with their land, sea, people and martyrs. Those who gamble with aspirations and interests of Eritreans are definitely strangers and you are one of them. Masking period has ended, game is over, your Hashewiye Abagalia has announced.

          • Natom Habom

            selam hameed
            stop your nonsense now are coming or not ??
            aspiration he said well you where your aspiration lead you ,

  • Desbele

    Selma Awatewian

    I don’t think this news is credible or it is a wrong assessment.
    The so called officials are never consulted in any big decision but they never complained. Whoever complained , we know where they end up. We witnessed inconceivable horrendous decisions made by DIA and flawlessly executed by yes men. From instigating war to inviting sanctions and killing the constitution.
    They never requested for explanation. Their job is to execute and they do it shamelessly. Of all the horrendous decisions the one they want to protest against is peace? Really? First thing I don’t believe they have the guts to stand against the tyrant.And if they do, it must be because their trafficking and other contraband business is at stake.Nothing out of good will to the country they long have forgotten about.
    However shady, I believe this peace has brought a breath of hope for those in the trenches, and the people at large. It is an opportunity to expose DIA and crack his sealed totalitarian grip. No nationalistic crocodile tears from those who slept with the enemy for 20yrs.

    • haileTG

      Hi Desbele,

      That is true. In fact, a one man dictatorship must succeed in creating an illusion of isolation on the minds of those serving its tyranny. Otherwise, they will create a group that would threaten its survival. On the servants side unless they can break free of the mental sense of isolation, it would be suicidal for them to raise any challenge. Hence, it becomes a self reinforcing cyclical loop. The dictator increases his grip by maintaining a climate of isolation, the isolated helps the dictator to maintain the very thing it needs to be a dictator. That is why all one man dictatorships come to meet their end by sudden and violent events (coup d’etat, rebel take over or external conflict). If it was to be left to them, the vast majority of PFDJ party and military commanders would live and die in the cage. This of course is one of the spanners in the works as it pertains to the notion of “democratic coup”.

      • saay7

        Haile TG

        ….or, or, or a democratic coup 🙂

        saay

        • haileTG

          Hi saay,

          The other spanner is of course the lack of constitutional back up via independent judiciary branch to side with the take over :)…

          • saay7

            HaileTG:

            ይመዝገበለይ:

            5) The Chief Commanding Officer of the EDF is—provisionally—the chair of the committee that engineered the democratic coup. The chair reports to the committee and the committee is tasked with implementation of the 1997 Constitution provisionally (because we have to have law and order while drafting a new formula for law and order) and party-formation and electoral laws and securing the funding for the immediate (a) demobilization and reintegration of the National Service; (b) the repatriation of refugees as well as (c) drawing a pension plan for the aging civil servants.

            Saay

          • haileTG

            Haha … saay,

            ናይ መን እዩ’ለ ክምዝግቦ ኣንታ ሳልሕ?

            The committee in charge of the coup engineering committee, by the power vested hereby orders:

            5) ….

            ??

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            ‘ዚ ኹሉ ሓንጢጥናስ ከምዚ? ዘይተደመረ ዲሞክርያሳዊ ዕልዋዊ ስጉምቲ ናይ ላዕሊ ሓሙሽተ (high five) ክውሰዶ ዩ

            Saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay and Haile TG.

            I have been pondering on the substance of “democratic coup” when saay was generous to re-post the draft in response of my question a few days back. I was trying to look around for sources to just help me undestand how a military intevention could be cast to become democratic.

            The points saay cites from the arsenal of the regime’s past accomplished tasks to serve as democratization of stimuli could be relevant. But, the million dollar questions is: who will guarantee the military brass would be obliged to take them up once they place themselves on the saddle of power in absence of at least street commanding organized civil society? We have many precedents from past and recent experiences.

            To mention just one: the June second uprising in Egypt and the democratic institutions that were layed down following the previous January Tahrir Square mass uprising.

          • saay7

            Ismail:

            If a civilian administration was being overthrown by a military one then all your concerns would be very valid. But in this case, it would be a military government that doesn’t want to be bound by any law or mandate to govern, replaced by a military government that wants to use the constitution to govern and electoral laws for its mandate.

            The fact that Isaias Afwerki wears suits doesn’t change the fact that what we have is a military government made up of 100% military veterans. The probability that the new military government won’t abide by a constitution is still not going to be more than 100%, which is what we have now.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Salute to ever vigilant saay,

            I thought you would be sleeping at this hour. By the way, when do
            sleep; or better said , how long is your day? Allah yedim this energy and power.

            The fact that what we have is military-cum- spy network regime cannot in no way be gainsaid. In fact, I remember penning many years ago this very fact in assessment document of one of the opposition organizations.

            Now, under the dire conditions we are going through the idea of a democratic coup as I understood it from your thoughts could be the first best scenario. But concern arises from the fact that the principal stakeholder (the people) lack organized stirring or harnessing tools when no two groups among us could agree on anything. Aware of how far power could be enticing when people have it, and given the regimentational nature the men in uniforms possess, any coup in Eritrea may not be an exception to the rule.

            Perhaps, General Suwar Al-Zahab was a one time chance the Sudanese people had squandered. Eritrea getting a military man like him would be work of good Heavens. Moreover, it could be argued that junior officers are not all inflicted by hunger for power to the extent of their senior commanders. The military and officers we have in Eritrea are products of experience that gave us Isayas.

            The core membership of the Derg in Ethiopia were junior officers blow the rank of Colonel. When they started they shouted popular slogans and but soon they sunk in dealy and throatcutting power that opened the way for Mengistu Hailemariam to become commander-in-chief of destruction and bloodletting. Of course, what I am saying does not insinuate submitting to the current status quo as fait accompli as long as there is no civilian candidate or agency to take over by proper people’s rebellion.

            Anything, a coup included, may better than the rule the one-man dispotism. It could at least shake up the stale political waters we have. But a military man or group of men would be selfless and obliterate what they shared in building with Isayas by taking up the constitution, party draft law etc is real concern if it won’t qualify as dilemma.

          • Natom Habom

            selan h aile
            no coup will happen stop fantasizing but there is real coup in your country ,a brave man is struggling to save the country from the destruction and division ,he is fixing and trying to save the nation from fragmentation and destruction ,instead of helping him those criminal keep sending terrorist to terrorise the nation ,
            can you swallow it pfdj alone win against all odds ,your regime could do nothing. you have a big problem there ,do not worry about eritrea troll ,worry for your people that has been attacked in all ethiopia eritrea is stronger than ever before ,power have shifted
            so your ill wish won t happen ,jealousy and hatred is devouring you alive

          • Natom Habom

            selan h aile
            no coup will happen stop fantasizing but there is real coup in your country ,a brave man is struggling to save the country from the destruction and division ,he is fixing and trying to save the nation from fragmentation and destruction ,instead of helping him those criminal keep sending terrorist to terrorise the nation ,
            can you swallow it pfdj alone win against all odds ,your regime could do nothing. you have a big problem there ,do not worry about eritrea troll ,worry for your people that has been attacked in all ethiopia eritrea is stronger than ever before ,power have shifted
            so your ill wish won t happen ,jealousy and hatred is devouring you alive

  • Now inc.

    Hello all,
    Somehow I am not convinced IA doesn’t hand-pick who travels outside the country – specially when it comes to Ministers and senior government officials.
    As for the lack of information on investment and so on, well that is the result of the regime’s dismantlement of institutions over the past 17 years. I saw Paulos Kahsay, head of the civil aviation, on TV to receive the first Ethiopian plane in Asmara last month. God knows where he has been all these years.
    I am sure PFDJ is doing lots of dust-cleaning of its dusty and rusty offices to handle the new relations with Ethiopia.

    • Desbele

      Selma Now Inc

      I do believe the same. Let alone a foreign historic trip, DIA used to pick a team from Segen to visit Gerset. DIA sometimes skips Segen CEO Tesfay and takes Geometra Gilay?to the field creating a feud between them. አብቲ ቅነ ንጉራጌ ኣይትርኣዮ።
      አይኮነን ሓሚመ ኢላ ክትተርፍ ምስ ውጽኣታውን ዞኽ ዞኽ ትብል መዳኽርቲ እያ ኩላ
      አስካሉ መንቆርዮስ ኢድ ክተሕጽብ ፎዝያ ቡን ክተፍልሕ ተዓዚብና ኢና ኣብ ገዛ እቲ ሕያዋይ መራሒና

  • abdulworld

    Hello all,
    This is wonderful news. The emperor has no clothes.
    I thought I share a story… I was fortunate enough to meet some exceptional business people outside the Eritrean community in diaspora. So, I got invited to Ghanaian trade delegation meeting at a top Hotel and I sat down with these successful business people. I was only Eritrean there. The audience was diverse- Lebanese-American, African-American, White folks, etc.. I have to say the event planning and presentation was top-notch. The Ghanaian trade delegation.. gave a presentation at TED talk quality with solid information.
    One common question was the safety of their investment and law.. The Ghanaian delegation went out their way to explain the Law and how much they business friendly- The representative also said.. we are not perfect.. we have had cases that investors sued us and won.. we have been improving our laws. We like to provide complete transparency. Our law open and clear, etc..
    Within that year, I went to Festival Eritrea event where one of those development ministers was giving a presentation.. First the Eritrean presentation felt like it was last minute event… no real information what surprised me no one was asking the sort of question that investors would ask. I am sure all top investors or business people that were the Ghanaian event would walk out. The Eritrean presentation felt like one of those TimeShare event.. where people don’t really ask tough question because they are there for free gift..
    So, with the above in mind lets look at above story-
    “However, the investors reported they were disappointed by the receptions and cooperation they got from Eritrean officials. Many of them complained of the disorganized and poor information system as well as the absence of clear investment laws”

    Of course that would be the case, Eritrean never aggressively went out to bring outside investment.. it doesn’t even create a conducive business environment for local business people let alone foreign people..

    “Would-be Ethiopian investors arrived in Asmara when most officials purposely left their offices or pretended to be sick”
    This is not displeasure or because of lack of desire for investment money… I think these guys are just shamed they don’t want Ethiopian see that they can’t answer question and incompetent. When I went to in Eritrea in early 2000s the bureaucracy took me around in circles to answer a basic question and question was never really answered.

    “The silent protest continues with many officials refusing to cooperate and keep making excuses not to see visitors”
    I think this statement is more personal judgment than anything else. I don’t think it is factual. They just don’t have answer or don’t know how to deal with these type of investors. When I visited in early 2000s it took me three visits meet top person and his answer vague.. whole time he was probably drinking around corner some cappuccino…

    When you have a leader who plays musical chair with positions and is not accountable to anyone but himself… A leader who rewards loyalty above competence.. you create a culture of what I call AAA(Accountability Avoidance Algorithm)… you figure out way to not be accountable and you are not making any real decisions- let’s say you are making solid decision and are competent- There is a good chance that IA will contradict your decision anyway. So why bother? Don’t be present. Have you subordinate deal with them and take notes… ask subordinate to send report and send report above.. enjoy your cappuccino…

    It is not silent protest- what you are getting exposure to is how Eritrean bureaucracy works, lack of genuine investment laws, incompetent ministers, etc.. You are dealing with people with don’t understand Laws and International norms… Most foreign investments in Eritrea always took a disastrous routes because of government hands..

    “However, they were not happy with the way Isaias was making individual decisions without consulting anyone else. However, in an uncharacteristic step, many officials made risky excuses to avoid traveling with Isaias”
    Again- IA doesn’t consult anyone. I thought one reason IA put G15 in prison because they were also asking for consensus style decision making… Blink list 10 officials on Trip how many more do you need…
    I wish some of Ethiopia investors if not directly or indirectly write about their experience…

  • Blink

    Dear All
    Here are the list of PFDJ leadership who were in Addis .
    1.issias
    2. Minister Osman Saleh
    3. Yemene Ghebreab
    4.Minister of Justice Fawzia Hashim
    5.Minister Tourism Askalu Menkorios
    6.Minister of National Development Dr. Giorgis Tesfamichael
    7.Minister Transport and Communication Tesfaselasie Berhane
    8.Commander of the Eritrean Navy Maj. Gen. Humid Karikari
    9.Governor of Zoba Maakel Maj. Gen. Romadan Osman Awuliae, and
    10.National Security Chief Bir. Gen. Abraha kasa

    Jus so people can make their own conclusions