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PM Abiye Meets Diaspora Ethiopians

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  • saay7

    Abi:

    Super harsh and most likely in violation of posting guidelines. At least a yellow card probably a red card. Man, what’s with you and Emma?

    saay

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Saay,

      This guy, as if Amanuel had only fought to cut the umbilical cord that has been holding together between the two countries, he throws all his bitterness on me. Tell him in clear and unambiguous term, that Amanuel only did his part to the cause and the aspiration of the Eritrean people. And I don’t have any regret whatsoever to heed the call of the Eritrean people back then and now. But also tell him the former PM is sent as an envoy to Harare, Zimbabwe, by the new PM to bring back the former bloody leader, who fought for “Qey bahrachin” back then, in an attempt to help him in his baseless medemer formula to reverse the attained aspiration of our people. ሕልሚ ደርሆ እዩ ከአ ዝበሃል::

      • Solomon

        Selamat Amanuel,

        Abi is the most hater and vengeful person in this forum. In order to exist he must hate somebody. If you remember before it was you and the Eritrean people. Now it is the Tigray people. Maybe next it will be the Oromo people. Thank God he doesn’t have power otherwise he would have replicated red terror on the people of Tigray at this time like his uncle Mengistu Hailemariam did on the people of Ethiopia. So you have to ignore such a person.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Aman-H; Abi is shacked to the bone that you were involved in the struggle. I don’t think je has any personal against you but he couldn’t comprehend what it took to take Eritrea away from Ethiopia. He just can’t understand the result is the contribution of every single Eritrean. In a way it is hard to understand how millions of people to come as one and fight. What happened in Eritrea during that era is simply amazing. So, don’t expect people to understand what you guys did is – the-Impractical.

  • MS

    Selam All,

    They say old habits die hard. The calculus of the so-called “regime changers” was built around the conflict with Ethiopia. That conflict had given them life to regroup when Eritrea was in war with Ethiopia, and they banked on it. As I often have said, they focused on appeasing and pleasing the Wayane; they stood on the first row on almost everything Wayane did they thought would cause the Eritrean government to implode, from sanctions to portraying Eritrea as a pariah state. The assumption was that;
    1. Eritrea would not hold up against international pressure;
    2. The conflict would linger around where it would eventually resolve in either an all-out war between the two countries in which they believed Eritrea would lose and that would catapult them to power.
    3. The border conflict would continue, and eventually, Eritrea would not be able to match Ethiopia in sustaining it, which would cause its knees to buckle.
    Since they gave up on their people, and frankly, the opposition was not an Eritrean people’s project, they put all of their eggs in wayane’s basket. They believed Wayane when it said it would rule Ethiopia for the next 50 years; they believed Wayane, they really did.
    Now that Wayane is out of the way, the activists of “regime change” are in a panic mode. They keep repeating “Why IA did not accept the deal 14 years ago if he was to negotiate and normalize before demarcation?”
    Well, as clearly put by ST and as I have repeatedly reminded my dear panicking regime-changers, there has been a quiet revolution taking root in Ethiopia. Wayane has been stripped off of its powers while watching it all happening. There are a new philosophy and new reconfiguration of the powers that be and Eritrea is now on the driver’s seat. It Normalized relations with Ethiopia and Somalia, and Djibouti is said to be next. Eritrea’s early nineties vision of the Horn of Africa is back on track. It’s easy how disastrous wayane was, not only in Ethiopia and Eritrea but to the whole region. It’s easy to see how it deprived the region of enjoying friendship and cooperation. IA was right to call them the servants of the USA.
    How is the current Ethiopian government different from the previous?
    1. If the current Ethiopian government were in power in 1998, all the harassments Tigary leaders did before the war including Wayanes expansionist map of Greater Tigray that dislodged thousands of Eritrean villagers from their lands would not occur.
    2. Even if the war had broken, it would not have been that devastating. As you could see from Awate’s smuggled Martyrs files, almost half of the martyrs died after Eritrea accepted the ceasefire. Wayane was fighting to install a puppet government in Eritrea.
    3. Even if both governments went to the Hague, with the kind of Abiy’s government, Ethiopia would honor its obligation and the border would have been demarcated a decade ago.
    In Summary, Wayane and its divisive philosophy do not exist anymore. There is a new reality in the Horn. Of course, those who don’t get this will keep asking the same questions,and we will keep giving them the same answers. It will take time to unlearn all the old habits and discard the wrong assumptions. Politicians and activists of the opposition will have a hard time accepting this reality and making changes in their positions and in the ways they operated. Meanwhile, the train of peace and reconciliation is gathering speed.
    Repeating things such as the constitution, human right, the rule of law…yada…yada…are all hollow slogans without taking appropriate measures to realize them.
    My position has always been against foreign interferences, and change through a domestically driven and owned process. The current peace initiatives in the Horn will consolidate this belief.
    I’m pleased with the direction things are moving; Eritrea is now in a robust position to concentrate on domestic issues.

    • Peace!

      Hi MS,

      I agree Eritrea is in a better position, and once the dictator departs, it would in ideal position. እቲ ሕርቃን ናይቶም ተቓወምቲ እኮ ምስ ወያነ ዘይተደመርና እዩ ካልእ ኣይኮነን. They put the country for sale long time ago, but the people said NOP!

      መዋእሉ ሰብ ጠምበርበር ክብል ይነብር ድዩ ወደይ. ሕጂውን እታ ምስ ወያነ ምድማር ኣብ ኢዶም እያ ዘላ.

      Peace!

    • saay7

      Mahmuday:

      I have one question: do you believe anything you have written above or is it more of your ሕርር ደኣ በላ positioning statement.

      saay

      • MS

        Ahlan SAAY
        It is a mix of both…ክንደይ ሕርር ዘይበልና…

        • saay7

          Hala MaHmuday:

          Thought so. Abayka abayka! I will recite a special verse to lift the Hasd from our old MaHmuday. This one sounds like all the deserters who left the Eritrean people when the predator came after them, and many of us remember your strong stands of consolation and inspiration. Kien belom le mejanin and the jebaneen they don’t deserve your comeraderie

          Saay

          • MS

            Dear SAAY
            I’m out of smart b*mbs, please try to dodge some of the unintended shots. ድንን ኢልካ ኣሕልፎ ንገሊኡ። እንታይ ክግበር ትልከም ኣለኻ፡ ካልኦት ይልከሙ ከም ዘለዉ እውን እፈልጥ እየ፡ ግን ናይ ኣላኻኻም ግዜ እዩ። ይኽደነና ጥራይ ኢልና ምሕላፍ።

          • saay7

            MaHmuday:

            Next time, can you sound the siren and introduce it with ደብዳብ! so we can take cover? It’s funny but the guy we have expressed our admiration for as the Prince of Peace PM of Ethiopia (population: 100 million) is on a global campaign of reconciliation and the Prince of Darkness in Eritrea (population: 3.65 inside, 1.0 million exiled) is still on a campaign of ostracization. Ergo: rapid change in Ethiopia; none in Eritrea. Hmmm, I wonder if the opposition or the leader took the first step in Ethiopia. If only we knew 🙂

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay and MS,
            And our Issayasists are justfying the course because of the changes that have taken place in Ethiopia and because of the zero-changes in Eritrea.
            And the two questions pointing to one reality:
            1) Did Ethiopia have worse system than Eritrea?
            2) Is Eritrea beneficiary from a change in Ethiopia more than from a change in itself?

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            (Siren sound ON)
            You can be as big as nature has determined you to be [substitute nature with God if you will], so nothing bad about being a small country. What should be celebrated is that the “tiny country” is now intact and rolling after decades of international and regional siege orchestrated by none other than the despicable Wayane. Now, WAyane is out of the way, and that little, but beautiful and resilient country will embark on TREMENDOUS economic and political recovery.
            Ethiopia and Eritrea pathways to democracy could not be the same, but make no mistake change gonna come.
            [Concluding siren has just gone off]
            PFDJ and IA have never bothered about the opposition because the “Eritrean opposition” never existed in Eritrean’s hearts and minds. On the other hand, the Ethiopian opposition has been effective, has solid constituencies, and could claim the ascendance of Abiy to power is because of its sacrifices.
            See don’t play with a Sahel politician. ሓደ ንግዚኡ ስሙ ክጠቅስ ዘይደሊ ሓው ፍቕርኻ ኣይወዳእካን ኢሉኒ ነይሩ። ኣረጊት ፍቕረይ ዘይወዳእኩ ዘይኮንኩስ እቲ ሓድሽ ፍቕሪ ምልማድ’ዩ ኣብዩኒ። ስለ’ዚ እየ ከምቲ “ሓያት” ዝበለቶ ኣብቲ equator ዝኾልል ዘለኹ። mass ክሉ ግዜ ናብ equator ስለዝእከብ፡ ውዒሉ ሓዲሩ ሚዛነይ ከም ዝኸብድ እፈልጥ እየ።
            [Conclusion of the barrage]- meaning, you can safely sleep now.

          • saay7

            MaHmuday:

            You have to give siren announcements accurately or we will start ignoring them. This one, on the siren scale, is what a dear crusty lady in Eritrea used to call ጢቅ ድማ ጥራጥ

            The Ethiopian PM made peace with people who were armed and shooting at his comrades just months ago.

            The leader of your peace camp, Isaias, holds grudges with dead bodies who want to be buried at home. And once again, “the opposition” that are targeting is the one in Addis. The opposition I am talking about are the ones who criticized his autocratic ways and have been made to disappear.

            You may now resume smoking your peace pipe in peace while we losers talk about human rights yada yada yada 🙂

            saay

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            Nope, U can’t mix my teachers and comrades with your opposition. That’s even a red signal for a deafening siren.
            Please play Sam Cooke’s “change is gonna come.”
            Just to reiterate dear SAAY, peace will have its dividends on bringing change, not necessarily regime change. And I think that’s the most feasible and desirable one. No need for democratic coup or Emmas “dismantlement” chants.

          • saay7

            Selamat Mahmuday:

            They are all opposition and all accused of treason

            We had peace in 1991-97 and EPLF/PFDJ was still killing, disappearing people. I think what we (just ordinary citizens) are saying is that we don’t trust that man, and that org, to bring about change unless it dramatically reforms itself. And we want to do more than wait for ቅጫ ልማኖ (not that there’s anything wrong with it, as Seinfeld would say). Democratic coup, by the few left who are not completely emasculated, is the only way for the ruling party to redeem itself in the eyes of the population it has enslaved and abused. Then, like Abiy, it can beg for forgiveness from the people.

            saay

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            Most of my comments are on topics that touch the state of Eritrea vis-a-vis wayane. Whenever I mention “opposition,” it is within this parameter. I never absolved Eritrean government from anything, on the contrary, I have been vocal in my criticism.
            Now, you said you don’t trust “that man” and I’m saying he is the lesser evil to pick as far as crossing the next bridge is concerned. The train is moving and if you have a more skilled engineer, bring him on.
            I’m confident that things are moving in the right direction and the process will produce natural leaders. We just don’t trust leaders who have been positioning to get parachuted at a moment’s notice. This does not apply to you because you were so clever to decide not to lead.

          • saay7

            Hala MaHmuday:

            Ok I will be specific: by “that man” I mean president Isaias Afwerki.

            Now, can you do me a favor and be very specific (name, title where available) about who is it that was going to be parachuted?

            What does the train is moving mean? Can you point to anything (besides your confidence that is) that shows any movement of this train you speak of as it relates to governance and policies?

            If I have a candidate who is neither parachuted nor “that man” how do I “bring him on”? Are we still talking about Eritrea, a country that has a habeas corpus process but it’s recepient, the justice minister, says that’s not my job?

            Don’t know what’s in that peace pipe but I hope it’s legal in your state 🙂

            saay

          • MS

            MarHaba SAAY
            1. All those so-called leaders of the opposition who depended on Wayane, the list is long, and you are not in it.
            Remember, I already declared it that to oppose is honorable; I think I have underlined it to be an inalienable right of citizens. But Eritrea and Ethiopia were in a state of war and anyone who had given assistance to Wayane in any form could be accused of treason. I think they declared the end of the state of war on July 9.
            2. The train is a metaphor for the fast-moving restoration of normalcy in the region. I’m of the belief that peace in the region will have a positive input in bringing peaceful changes in each of the countries and particularly in Eritrea. I may have to write an article to detail this “grand idea” (EHmmm), I will do it inshallah. Until then, please play Sam Cooke, and the piece pipe makes one so dmu-dmu ብኣርባዕተ ኣእጋርካ ከም ትኸይድ ይገብረካ፡ U don’t want to start it…but it is legal.
            3. Abu-SalaH; we are just about a month into this new direction, but it won’t be too long before you get some hints as to what direction things will take and how fast they will move. But don’t expect kboor brezidentna will give you the keys and walk away. Taking the last whiff…

          • saay7

            Hala MaHmuday:

            I think you misunderstood my question. I am not asking, like Adel Imam, ana esmi maktub? Not asking to be given assurances that I am not on the list. I am asking you to be specific and tell me who is on the list. Names, titles. And careful about that “treason” thing: an aggressive PFDJ prosecutor (that is ganta tdele alekha) could very easily say that you, MaHmuday, aided and abetted Weyane by writing critical articles of the gov (aka the people and the government of Eritrea.)

            2 I am not asking for your hopes and wishes (jezakum allah kheiren) but actual changes in policies and practices of the sort you are hoping and wishing for. And some precedence from this particular gang in charge as it actually relates to an act of kindness or mercy, much less contrition or liberalization. Those who don’t have it can’t give it. And if they are, it’s only when their back is against the wall: that’s their long and shameful history.

            3. Can’t wait to read your article. Be sure it is in your website. Can’t go to mesherfet for reasons I explained to you.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saay,
            You are too bold! You get assurance your name is not in the list and as if that is not enough for celebration, you ask more questions. Go ahead and celebrate and I invite myself to lunch because you should celebrate. You will pay for the lunch.

            While you are at it, do you know if there is an umbrella group led by yousif Berhanu called salvation? Never knew it was an umbrella and never knew it is a teaseniys group—it is certainly in the lust. If the accusation is a lazy excercise or ignirance, never mind. It is treasonous and it is going to hell such is the decree. Do you wonder what country can have half it’s population traitors? That is Medemer as the PFDJ translated it. And there is always bay Taasa wereqet:-(

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah SJ,

            Please do the “umbrella group salvation” and “yousif Berhanu” a favor. Wait until Adi Halo Rip van Winkle tell his loyal crowds that there is no such a thing called umbrella salvation. Who know his unpredictability could even trigger his whim to add that after all those opposition guys are more patriotic than many of the loyal surrogates.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Ismail,
            I really read that in an article that pretended to be well informed, not even basic research to verify basic information collected from equally uninformed neighbors and like-minded biased, prejudiced coffee shop patrons, before accusing clean patriots. On top of being an umbrella, Salvation is accused of having an armed wing and aims to change the regime–a serious crime antsar mengistna, you know. Belawi ya Ismail. I just nodded my head in sadness. Good night my co-traitor colleague.

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            You know, how MS’s team say to you, you are our comrade, we want to talk to u for a bit, you are a hero, nothing will happen to you and then these are the last word you hear from them
            But it is fascinating to hear and read MS, and a big lesson for the non-fake justice seekers: do not trust anyone, who has set a foot in places where IA has walked, even his foot prints are contagious and for those who shook his hand, they have no cure because the volume of infection is high
            And Emma, be fearful now, how long did your meeting with MS in last in Seatle?
            Saleh, So, can you use your good offices an ask Ambassador Select MS that if my name (iSem) is included, because I would like to visit Eritrea to establish modern joint for ድምዱም and ጫት, to celebrate the unity and union of PFDJ and Abiye, so that we can replace the phrase: ከም ማይን ጻባን ይጸምብርኩም with ከም ድምዱምን ጫትን ይጸምብርኩም
            Do not ask him if your name is there, because, your name cannot be erased, it is written with golden letters, cannot be tarnished, even if someone manages to erase it, it will be visible to the laser sharp eyes of Amb. MS. You are in trouble Saleh

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Sem,

            Other than his political position which is really bad and contrarian to the rights of our people, as a person, he is a very humble person. But then his love to the despot is mind boggling. I hope to see his eulogy when the evil man disappears.

          • MS

            MarHaba SAAY
            Point of departure: we work with what we have; we have no other choice but to engage the government constructively. PFDJ and IA will be here for the foreseeable future. The country does not have any other alternative political organ to run it.This is called “Amr waqi’E” or fact on the ground. The opposition and its wrong strategies have contributed greatly for this reality to exist. Now, to the rest of your reply;
            ———————
            1. Ha…ha…SAAY, you seem to be interviewing Abraha Kasa of Hagerwwi Dehnet (National Security Agency). Anyway, I could, and I have the list, but it is not necessary. All I know, and this is something I have been saying openly, is that there have been;
            A/ those elements of the opposition who have been coordinating their political and military activities with the Wayane regime that has been in a state of war with Eritrea. They were 100% dependent on its existence, and now when Ethiopia pull off the plug, you won’t hear any military communique from them. Clear?
            B/ there are those who did not depend 100% on Wayane for their existence but thought working with them would give them leverage (due to geography/proximity to Eritrea, diplomatic muscle, etc. These people did not have military wings, and they actually claimed to have been following a peaceful means of struggle. However, in the grand scheme, they have been part of group “a” because they had some relations expressed in “the end justifies the means” positions/attitudes, in addition to having some partnership with group “A” above, either through the EDA or ECDC, or some other working relations/sympathy. This group may need to amend its strategies swiftly and make it clear to the Eritrean people that they have sanitized their hands from the Wayane bugs and that they are ready to engage in a new commitment to building a thriving civil society.
            C/ there are those who opposed Wayane’s strategy of “no war, no peace,” designed to starve Eritrea to death, and its refusal to oblige by the verdict of the international arbitration tribunal, thus pursued the Eritrean solutions for Eritrean problems mantra, regardless of how Semere Andom condemned it. This group can continue its fight because its existence does not depend on the presence of Wayane, and it is universally accepted to criticize governments. They will exist no matter what type of government exists at any given time because the fight for perfection does not end, even when you have constitutional governance.
            2. With peace taking root in the region there is less uncertainty. The momentum and direction of a social progress could easily be predicted. If we take the political development of a society as a function, and if we know past and present political, social, and economic status of any given society, and the geopolitics in which it exists (point A), then we can reasonably predict the pathway to point B. Now that the cloud of war has been cleared, being the great Mahmuday (Ehmmm), I can tell you that Eritrea does not have a choice but to embark on building robust institutions. The government has no choice but to introduce changes. I predict a lean and controlled beginning that widens as the political discourse matures.
            However, since there are so many runaway ideas in the so-called opposition jungle, the debate will continue. For instance, a secular democratic politics may not be change enough for those who stand for religious politics. A unitary democratic Eritrea may not be sufficiently democratic for those who fight for federalism, or for those who “fight” for some affirmative ethnic rights. I think that’s fine as long as it is done peacefully. For some people, no amount of openness will be wide-open enough, and no amount of measures to democratize Eritrea will be good enough. I think the area of the rule of law should be the primary focus of most activists.
            3. Ha…ha, I now my size; I’m not going to enter the field when you have a fight with meskerem. I know you sneak in to see what’s up there.
            At any rate, either it will be discussed in connection with other stuff, or will stand up alone as an article, I don’t know. All I know is Eritrea is entering a new era, and according to my reading, building institutional capacity will be one of the areas the government will focus on. This is not a luxury, it is a matter of necessity. Eritrea is demographically a young country, and the ghedli generation has no choice but to give way for the new generation in an orderly manner.

          • saay7

            Hala MaHmuday

            I see dashes to transition between what wedi kassa would say and MS would say but it’s like those animation shows where on actor plays two characters and you can’t tell the difference 😀

            1. Ah, so we are talking about Red Sea Afar Democratic Organization (RSADO) and Democratic Movement for Liberation of Eritrean Kunama (DMLEK.) So, the strategy is: now they will disband, they won’t go to, say, Houthi-held Yemen, and their issues (local rule) will automatically disappear. Sounds like another flawless plan. Oh, what about the Islamists who never relied on the (insert adjectives here) Weyane? They will do poof be gone? Sounds great and pass on the peace pipe.

            2. I think this is a circular argument: it will happen because I say it will happen something something geopolitics something something. For its internal peace, Eritrea is going to put all its eggs in the basket of Abiye prevailing (oh, what could possibly go wrong), and for its international relations, it’s going to rely on the sheikdoms of UAE and Saudi Arabia who have a history of patricides. Sounds compelling. By the way, have you noticed that the Saudi king has reasserted himself and the Crown Prince is off the screens lately? Just something for you to watch since you are putting all your chips on that.

            3. There is no reason ever to go to Mesherfet. At least the kiddie websites have original content and vibrant forum. So, no sir, you will never catch me there.

            You did not answer my question though. Can you point to a single act of reform, a single act of mercy or kindness that the leader of your new peace movement and his assortment of flunkies and enforcers have ever taken in the last 18 Years? Just one.

            saay

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam MS,

            Firstly: All the mafias and shiftas should acknowledge their crimes against humanity in Eritrea and request pardon from the people of Eritrea.

            Secondly: They should liquidate their security forces.

            Thirdly: They should announce openly in which international bank they have deposited the money they robbed from the Eritrean people.

            Fourthly: Your god should announce and implement immediate release of all prisoners.

            Fifthly: Your god should hand over leadership to SGJ and Saa7 and step aside.

            Six: We don’t know any other name to one who robs a country than SHIFTA & MAFIA.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            I didn’t expect to hear from Mahmuday to describe the despot “the lesser evil” in our Eritrea. Wow. This goes to the history book. Really to the history book. I mean it.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman-H; I was listening to the reports that trucks that were heading to Tigray had to return buck because the people of Wolo, demanded and forced the drivers to turn back. It made me think where country is heading. I can’t help but blame your great hero, PMMZ. He brought this all to his people. Now what happens if this trend to continue? Look what your visionary left behind. Greatens
            is measured by the legacy one leaves behind but still you have no problem giving all the credit to the most undeserving leader while you are all out blaming PIA unfairly. Easy, truth and fair is good for your health.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            Wasn’t for these, all the years dreaming? Say HalleluJah, beat your chest, and kiss your hands, that finally all your prayers are fulfilled. Then say, Amen. Share your joy with the Amaras key-bahrachin.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I don’t agree with Mahmuday’s description: no doubt he is the evil of evil. It is just a lesson to learn the danger of when the bar is set too low when it comes to defining who is a hero and who is a murderer.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            You have many like him who consider him their hero. The choices is either you have to live with it, or fight to bring him to justice. Those are the only choices in front of us. For me the later is the struggle of my life.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, you said “What should be celebrated is that the “tiny country” is now intact and rolling after decades of international and regional siege orchestrated by none other than the despicable Wayane.” I’m just wondering whether you are talking about the same Eritrea that we all know. What has really changed in Eritrea in terms of all the negative policies of the DIA that has impacted the lives of Eritreans? I think any Eritrean’s yardstick should the well-being of the Eritrean people first and foremost. If you think just because the Eritrean dicator has been hosting some regional leaders as a success, then that is simply disappointing from someone like you who must wish more for his people.

          • MS

            Selam Abraham H
            I’m not obsessed with IA, I care more about the process. The process will take care of most of the maladies. There are those who want to fixate on IA and there are those who want to see the problem in its complexities. If you are telling me the Wayane regime and its Eritrean conspirators did not have a major role in hurting the country to the brink of disintegration, then how can I even continue the exchanges. On the other hand, I can’t keep talking to someone who says all the problems facing Eritrea are due to Wayane and the CIA. We need to be receptive to reality as it exists.
            I will ignore the last part of your reply because it is immaterial, and at best self-congratulatory. I can declare myself as the defender of the people and condemn you as anti-people but that will be childish. So, I respect your opinion, Sir.

          • Nitricc

            Your Majesty; maybe I am missing something. I need your help! I can’t tell or list what this country called Eritrea has gone since the
            Ethio-Eritrea war. It is miracle how this country made it in one piece.
            Now we are here with our dignity intact while TPLF is trashed
            and toothless.
            National military service is back to normal.
            The youth will stay put in her/his country because no country
            will extend asylum.
            With time, we will have new press, election, constitution
            and the rule of law. For the first time Eritrea will live in peace and harmony.
            Why it is some people are having a problem?
            I understand the dream for some was for PIA to be pulled from a fax hole like Gadafi ; I get that but can we just be happy because the people, the youth and country at last there hope. What is the problem?

          • MS

            Ahlan Gen. Nitrickay

            you are right my young man, if only people listened to you, Sir. Frankly, some do it because it has become a part of their identity, some do it because they feel real pain and are unable to channel it; other are spin doctors.
            We are not saying everything is good. We are saying the ingredients for enduring peace and reconstruction are collecting.
            The difference is rooted on political philosophy. There are those who think they are the enlightened ones and believe they should determine what should happen and how it should; and there are those who say, “No, Eritreans inside the country determine what their future should look like and how they should achieve that. Diaspora role is restricted to playing a supporting part.
            I believe the sense of peace and security will yield gradual change and that is what is in the best interest of the country. The rest of hoopla is just not practical. It has been played for the last two decades. So, if only they listened to you early on, dear Nitrickay. I have been saying that countries are saved and improved by hopeful young people. You have every indication to be hopeful and continue your engagement in matters that concern your beloved Eritrea.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, it is my view that whatever the Weyanes and those you call its Eritrean appendages have done to Eritrea PALES in comparison to what the DIA-controlled pfdj regime had done. If Eritrea were so near the brink as you claim, it was only because the Eritrean people couldn’t lead a normal life within their country; remember it is the people both inside and outside the country who give life and strength to the country. When you have a regime that is hell bent on emasculating the Eritrean society from within, then you end up with a hopeless and failed country. The difference between us and folks like you is that you stress on issues such as sovereignty and national security as if they are abstract ideas, while we stress the fact that it is the people who are the guarantors and protectors of such noble causes. That their preservation depends on the well-being of the people who are supposed to defend them.

          • MS

            selam Abraham H

            What I think you miss is the following
            1. As we speak Eritreans are defending their sovereignty; they are not doing so under the gun; they have been doing it for the last 27 years, because they have to defend their home, and they will continue doing so.
            2. To me Eritrea is not a ” hopeless and failed country.” That is what the anti-Eritrea elements have been peddling all these years. They have failed miserably.
            3. Sovereignty and national security issues are not abstract ideas, they are real that touch every citizen’s life.
            4. I have always argued that one can be patriotic and at the same time defend human right issues and fight for better governance. It was the Wayanistas who would want us to restrict on IA in a bid to shroud their evil designs against Eritrea.
            5. I just wonder why would one be ticked off when I express my opinion on the peace process? If you are for the people, believe me the people are now happier than a month ago; they are optimistic, they are breathing a sigh of relief now that the war is over; they are happy now they could concentrate on domestic issues. The only party that is not happy is the one that has been fixated on regime change. Regime changes, and it will change for sure, But it will be according to Eritrean timetable, i.e., according to domestic variables, and I’m fine with that. I’m glad that did not happen the way that the Wayane-coordinated and gun-touting factions had intended it to be because the result would have been disastrous.
            Have a nice day.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, I just want to end this back and forth by asking you a question: how many of your former Tegadelty colleagues have told you about their kids who left the country or dreaming of making it out of the hell that Eritrea has become? And how many of them have faced the unfortunate death in the Sahara and Mediterranean or their organs harvested? The fact that the children of freedom fighters whose parents struggled to hand them over a free and just Eritrea, have to end up in such a tragedy speaks volumes about the misery caused by the Eritrean despot rather than by any outside factor.
            Thanks for engaging, and have a nice day/evening.

          • Hashela

            Dear MaHmuday

            Is it safe to assume that PFJD, as a political party, is none-existent and PIA handles all national and international issues by himself without consulating with and listening to anybody?

          • MS

            Selam Hashela
            The short answer is that I don’t know how sensitive information is shared and how top decisions are made. However, we know things are getting done.
            1. There is the cabinet of ministers
            2. There is a national security council
            3. There is a quasi diplomatic corps.
            4. There is PFDJ with its central and zonal offices.
            5. The whole government tasks have been divided into four regions and are led by PFDJ/ at some point they were headed by Generals but now the role of the Generals is limited.
            At the end of the day, PIA is the head of the government and like in any government he will have the final say and everyone serves at the pleasure of the president.
            I agree that PFDJ has not held organizational conference for the last twenty years, but it has been more than effective in holding the country together under difficult circumstances. That is just a fact. We may have many criticisms but it has been resilient against mountainous pressures.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei, MS.
      Making change of government with 1 or all the three points you underlined couldn’t be a change of government but installment (specially when you do it thousands km away from home) of a (puppet) government because there is no such a ting called a free lunch on international politics. The day UN accepted Eritrea as its independent member the day Ethiopia and Eritrea join the international politics including neighboring countries where the spectrum is from the worst type tplf vs its neighbors to the ideal Scandinavian type of neighborhood. If tplf is so arrogant among its people considering they are Ethiopians then how come we expect it could benefits Eritrea better than its own people except Tigrians. If it does benefit Eritrea then i would worry more based on the historical blood tie between the majority of Eritrean ethnic groups and the minority woyanes in Ethiopia. I would have nightmare.

      In this digital world who doesnt know how the western use the human right/democracy to install their puppet government unless the installment brings a personal or group interest before the entire nation. If we allow the western interest to be prioritized before our nation’s interest for the sake of personal or one group interest, then however ‘clumsy’ has been the Eritrean government, Eritrea been in a better hand than Ethiopia which has been in mercenary tplf hand. Tplf could have gone to the extent to declare civil war on Ethiopia. That much was the cruelty and stupidity of tplf..When i say all the time racist tplf i feel like i honored tplf because the mercenary use Tigrians as their group beneficiary for tplf policy fulfill.

      There is no free lunch when the west install you. I dont want to wast time to explain what tplf and its IGAD put the entire east Africa just to get as much dollars as possible by hook or crook for tplf project which i have no idea what it is except it has been a disaster for almost all of us. I dont wan to tell you what tplf has done since the London meeting upto now and all the support it has from the west. One of the worst shame when you collapse and swim in shame the west is not there. They disappear like ghost while you see the real one already with oppressed one planning how to hijacd the victory from the new one. It has been like this since they taste our wealth by their slavery system til now.

      I am not the one what kind of government Eritrea shall have but any government change must be done from the need of the society inside Eritrea like the Keros and Fanos (youths) of Ethiopia, like the hundred thousands Ethiopians sacrifice for the change government in Ethiopia. Like holding hands in the air while the tplf soldiers get tired of breaking arms and legs of a peaceful demonstrators, until the tplf security people tired of breaking faces of young people, women, old, anybody who oppose them. This much takes and more takes to change a government.

      Allowing installment of a government by the way is supposed to be a treason looking what South Sudan is going through, what Egypt had gone through, what Ethiopia has gone through, etc.

      • MS

        Selam Mitiku
        I hope the Tigray people will restore their place in Ethiopian politics. Sadly, the real victims are poor Tigrians. TPLF goons had already amassed wealth. As far as the “medemer” of the two Tigrignas are considered, if you mean that, I’m from the lowlanders but I have full confidence on my Eritrean Tigrignas. Eritrean Tigrignas definitely want good neighborliness with their kin across the Mereb river, but they would not do that at the expense of other nationalities.
        On the Tigray side, I will also argue that even if some ultranationalists push the people of Tigray to secede, I don’t think they will gain traction among the majority of the Tigray people. I think time will heal the suspicion of some Tigray elite on the Abiy administration. So far, he has been extraordinarily sensitive towards Tigrians, and I hope concrete policies will follow the rhetoric thus comforting anxious elements in the Tigray region.

        • Girmay

          Hi MS, thanks for the good regards toward the Tigrean people. Honestly in my opinion Tigrean people just want to rule their state. I am not sure what you mean about Tigreans needing to earn their place in Ethiopian politics.
          In regards to Dr. Abyie administration , I havent seen any of his administration. The guy is on the run pursuing “the art of motivational speaking”. Dr. Abye’s faviorte faviorte audiance is Dr. Abie himself. He loves to hear himself talk. Is that what you call administration?
          So far his love of hearing himself has chased him out of his prime minster office. Please if you have seen him in your neighborhood remind him that he was supposed to lead. Thanks in advance.

          • Hope

            Selam Ghirmay:
            I think SAAY listed partially the success stories of AAA.
            -Declared and has achieved Total Amnesty/Released political prisoners and National Reconciliation
            -Partially resolved Ethiopia’s Political and Economic /Currency Crisis
            -Restored Law and Order in a nation governed by a State
            Emergency—despite all kinds of sabotages and threats….
            -Succeeded in diplomacy and restored it with SA and the UAE as well as Cairo—yesterday’s alleged and perceived enemies of Ethiopia
            -Resolved the Ethio-Eritrea problems with a single statement of acceptance of the Algiers Agreement and EEBC Verdict, that took 18 yrs
            -Of utmost importance, he turned the Horn of Africa, known for its misery,recklessness and hegemony into a peaceful Horn–never heard of as of yet in the African History.
            Etc…
            Prepare even for the best of the best scenarios…including Eritrea and Ethiopia again to be declared The Hope of Africa.
            Please, get rid of that rotten and poisonous mentality of hassadinet and join the Camp of PEACE and Reconciliation.

          • MS

            Selam Girmay
            I agree governing is going to be tougher than speeches. But let’s hope for peace because, as I said it years ago, Ethiopia has the potential of pulling the region from poverty. I believed it even during the darkest hours in this forum. Tigrians are resilient people and I have never questioned their resourcefulness and their good will to live in peace with their neighbors. I have always targeted the few who hate Eritrea and Eritreans.
            I think you need to give the man credit for calling repetitively on Ethiopians to not generalize the mass of Tigray when they criticize the policies pursued by the bosses of TPLF.

      • Girmay

        Hello Mitiku, you are a very naive man. Ethioipa for few weeks thought they had a prime minster. Soon you will find out that the motivational speaker Dr. Abyie was just hypnotizing you with his sugary words.
        The prime minster , is telling every Ethiopian wanabe politican that they will all be kings. Soon Ethiopia will have problem of too many kings and not enough castels.
        At the mean time, the motivational speaker is upset because the Tigrean people are exposing him as phony wannebe expert on every topic. Additionally, the motivational speaker constantly adds English words to his Amharic , to show that he is a highly qualified educated and ready to lead.
        Mitiku, wakeup you are not in any position to advise Eritreans how to change government. Ethiopia doesnt have a prime minster yet. You like comfort, and you don’t want to think about the possibility of danger that Ethiopia is in.
        Soon your abitaching phony mannerism and clownism, will be exposed. I am now advising you to prepare a shoulder you can cry on.
        At the mean time, enjoy the news of three inocent Tigreans killed in Amhara region.

        • Blink

          Dear Girmay
          I think you need time to heal yourself with reasons that can benefit your people . Your Dr. With his hat can actually do the healing but you need to slow down .

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Girmay.
          Do you agree that we have a good reason to be happy by the change going on in Ethiopia?

        • Desbele

          Hi Girmay
          One of the dead is confirmed Eritrean.
          It is only the foolish moron Eritreans who think the full scale psychological & physical attack on the Tigrean personnel,culture & language is none of their business.

    • Hope

      Welcome back the one and the ONLY one, Vet Hero Tegadalay Mahmud Salih.

      No body else could have said it better.

      Just make an addendum that PIA was partially responsible for the mess as well, at least to calm down and appease Cousin SAAY..

      Love your Golden series of Articles and cant wait to read the next follow up ones:

      You said:

      “Repeating things such as the constitution, human right, the rule of law…yada…yada…are all hollow slogans without taking appropriate measures to realize them.
      My position has always been against foreign interferences, and change through a domestically driven and owned process. The current peace initiatives in the Horn will consolidate this belief.
      I’m pleased with the direction things are moving; Eritrea is now in a robust position to concentrate on domestic issues”.

      “Appropriate measures”?
      What are they?
      How can they be achieved ?

      What is and should be next in Eritrea and for Eritrea/Eritreans?

      Now that peace between the two nations has prevailed but what about peace within us and among us?

      -How can we handle the huge challenges ahead of us?

      -The issues of “Amnesty”/Release of prisoners and National Reconciliation

      -Initiating the implementation of the Constitution

      -Freedom of Movement and Economy

      -Demobilizing our EDF and rehab of our refugees

      etc—

      I know time,patience and resources are needed but ….how and how soon and in what way can we push for these noble causes?

      New Opposition/Task Force?
      Or just sit back and watch the show by PIA?
      Change form within and domestically ONLY?
      No role for the Diaspora?

      • MS

        Selam Hope
        Thanks for the encouragement, I take it seriously. Your to-do list is long, and I’m sure if I’m qualified to give you definitive answers on each of them. I have already written or commented on most of them, and I will try to incorporate the rest in my next articles. Stay tuned and do not hesitate to give me feedback.
        The current political polarization has really hurt our level of engagements and possible networking that would maximize the betterment of our country. I tend to correspond seriously with those who focus on the subject, and you seem to be one of them.

  • Now inc.

    Hello room,

    1) Not sure its accuracy but I hear on social media that Djibuoti and Kenya presidents are to travel to Asmara, separately. I am not a big fan of these visits because I feel like the clock for internal change would be pushed until the hoopla settles. The only thing that doesn’t seem to stop is Meskerem dot net’s demarcation clock.

    2) Radio Erena is well listened inside Eritrea. In its today’s news, it did great job exposing the self-made ‘demarcation now, dialog later’ conflict of the PFDJ regime. PM Ahmed Abiy is heard telling audience that there is no border discussion going on right now – just other issues. Border is secondary issue, he said. Then Hagos Kisha is heard (old recording) basically saying border demarcation comes first. The challenge for the regime now is the reversal of its own misdeeds of 15 years. It has to undo the hardened views it instilled on the nation that ‘no talks, no discussions’ are possible unless and until Ethiopia withdraws. The regime will have to taste its own medicine now.

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Now Inc., I don’t understand what the Ethiopian PM means by saying no border discussion; isn’t the fourth item in the so-called peace agreement about the Algiers agreement and implementation of the border decision? Or was that just included as a face saving mechanism for the ‘final-and-binding’ lots, including the pfdj junta?

      • Amde

        Selam Abraham H,

        I think the PM meant “we have not yet started border discussion.” He explained that without having a good climate and understanding that takes into account many other issues, we would be bogged down with relatively minor issues of how many meters the border should shift.

        Amde

      • Peace!

        Hi Abraham,

        I really admire your cautious approach. But the thing is though Eritrea is a sovereign nation and will remain as such. It is not that easy and the people inside the country are not stupid either. እዚ ዓዲ ሸይጥዋ መይጥዋ ንቶም ናይ ፌስቡክ ተመራመርቲ እንተገደፍናሎም ይሐይሽ ከምኡ መበሊኦም ካኣ ናቶም ዕላማ ኣለዎም. Our role cannot be defined unless we start listening to the people living with dictator and support them.

        Peace!

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Abraham H.,

        He was not reporting an official account of the meeting but giving a response to a question from public audience regarding where we are in the border demarcation and peace process in general.

        What he said essentially was:
        ኣሁን ያደረግነው ለረዥም ግዜ ተለያይተው የቆዩት ቤተሰቦች ማገናኘትንና የመሳሰሉ የሰላም በሮች መክፈትን እንጂ ስለ ወሰን ማስመርንና ሌሎች ትላልቅ ጉዳዮችን ዝርዝር ኣልተወያየንም፤፤ ሰላምና መረጋጋት ከሰፈነ ሌላው ቀላል ነው የሚሆነው፤፤

        (ሕጂ ዝገበርናዮ ንነዊሕ ግዘ ተፈላልዮም ዝጸንሑ ስድራ ምርኻብን ከምኡ ዝመሰሉ ናይ ሰላም በሪታት ምኽፋትን ድኣምበር ዶባት ኣብምሕንጻጽን ካልኦት ዓበይቲ ጉዳያትን ዝርዝር ኣይተመያየጥናን፤ ሰላምን ምርግጋዕን እንተሰፊኑ ናይ ዶብ ጉዳይ ቐሊል እዩ ዝኸውን)፤፤

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Fanti, thanks for the explanation; if he was refering to the details of the border implementation, then I would understand it. I thought he just presented it as if the border issue was not touched at all. After all what many in the Eritrean opposition, and the previous Ethiopian governments have been saying is the same thing: the border issue cannot and should not be a reason for freezing the relationship between the two countries. We were saying addressing the other underlying issues, ultimately would pave the way for a relatively smooth process of demarcation. But as you very well know, we have been victims of the extreme stubborn nature of the Eritrean dictator, and we have lost the last 16 years hearing nothing but ‘no negotiation before demarcation’ from the Eritrean regime and its enablers.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Now inc.,

      Although exposing the lies of PFDJ is noble but it’s ab zesemAka melAk aytmahlel. Take Mahmoday as an example, how can you make sense in his head that, PFDJ has changed its story of demarcation now dialogue later. You just have to look at his stance, border must demarcate first for over 10 years he repeated and now changed gear and telling us PIA prevield. So in my opinion arguing with such people, it’s like chasing wind.

      So I think we need a wining strategy to change the narrative that creates resistance against the regime. Something like, ok now there is no war, so we demand the extended national service come to an end, for anyone going forward and we need a time table for the demobilization of the rest right now.

      Berhe

  • sxb2

    Selam Abi,

    “The best solution to make the discussion Eritrean focused is ( I mean
    recycle old discussions) to use Tigrinya. This is the best way to get
    rid Ethiopians from this forum.”

    Your ignorance, arrogance and neftegnanet has no bound. Read what you wrote. You don’t believe there are Ethiopians who speak Tigrinya and also assume that all Eritrieans speak the language.
    What an arrogant and hateful person!!

  • Blink

    Dear All
    Why do people comment about Ethiopia, as Amde said Eritrean politics is frozen while Ethiopian politics is entertaining except to the weyane cadres , on the side of Eritrea there is nothing to say on daily basis unless we find new one , for example to make the Eritrean politics up to date sometimes some people has to make outlandish lies or simply put Issaias personality on the table and bring every word given to bad people , how many times do people can repeat about one person, I mean 16 years ?

    Due to the static nature of Eritrean politics sometimes people go to 1940 -60-70-80-90th just to make sure their fault was “ due to EPLF “ well we have seen different movies about such for almost 20 years and to some people it is like a professional kind to make lies about Eritrean revolution. Let’s look at how daynamic Eritrean politics is , I mean in opposition or PFDJ . The opposition is equally frozen just as PFDJ , there has never been full time opposition in the Eritrean politics, it is like a place where people pee when ever they feel the urge .
    1. PFDJ has never had a meeting of any kind except their expo thing
    2. The opposition has never had any productive day or any thing that is worthy of discussion except the hawasa bus tour plus Kerenolos common insults to revolutionaries.

    So what is there to discuss? Oh ok like the Issaias is a unionist!!! That can’t be two line discussion unless someone created a fake map just like the HAYAT map of Amhara new party or just like some people making Somalia is a co owner of Eritrea ( I read it in Twitter) .

  • David Samson

    Selam abdulworld,

    It is not the people whom I met only. Facts speak for themselves:

    Asians, but specifically Indians, are the most successful minorities in the UK. You will find them at top schools (Cambridge and Oxford), hold the best jobs and own successful businesses.

    An Indian steel magnet topped the UK’s rich list. If you look at the stat and do break down the figures a bit further, you would find, most them are from the top cast, but above all, most of them are from Hindu’s religion back ground. Thus, my point about ‘Hinduism’.

    Do you know Dendai-a single person- not only had managed to satisfy the local needs, but had export his products to the region? Less than 1% of the Zimbabwe’s (white) population harvested food which could feed the entire continent.

    “If you were talking about Ugandan Asian in Briton– while most of those people were business person in Uganda… and those skills were transferable Britain..”

    Does not hold water.

    The person I quoted was a teacher in Uganda. Many of the Asians in East Africa were British soldiers, not business people.

  • David Samson

    Selam abdulworld,

    “I don’t know where you are getting your information” My eyes!

    If you happen to travel to Mekong River in Vietnam, ask the Tourist guide to take you to a fruit farm- where the biggest attraction is seeing a woman making injera. Yes, initially my eyes could not believe it. One can argue, the influence could be the other way around; that is, the Asians got the idea from Africans, but not me.

    Indian civilisation has a huge impact on South-East’s (SE) Asia culture. If you look at Vietnamese and Thais’ cousins, you see India marks on them. Buddhism was introduced to SE by Indians. Even, one of the wonderers of the world- Ankara Wat- has Indian all over it. The Indian chap I was traveling was so enraged by the Cambodians’ lack of acknowledgment.

    Since I am unable to attach the link, please visit Assena. There was a pieces about the Eritreans who migrated to India.

  • Amde

    Selam Girmay,

    Let me guess – you are not motivated? 🙂

    He is doing politics 101 – “Winning Hearts and Minds” – and he is very good at it. He is providing a national vision.

    I don’t see his “endless hate propaganda towards Tigrayans”. Sorry.

    ፅናቱን ይስጥህ።

    Amde

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei Kbrom.

    Many well to do Eritrean diasporas came to Eritrea in the beginning of Eritrean independence years. But the atmosphere was not conducive for them to contribute in the development of Eritrea with what ever they accumulated from their host countries during their stay abroad.

    Now Eritreans need some one like Abiy to engage both Eritreans and Diasporas on what is good for Eritrea not focusing on party politics. Some one bold like Abiy who committed for the principle of ”lets forget and forgive”.

    Some one who can go to each zobhas and tell them Eritrea is free from war zone, Eritrea is joining IGAD, Eritrea is open for business again for its diasporas, east Africa and the world. Someone who goes to Each city of Eritrean host countries and preach what the peace agreements with neighboring countries bring for Eritrea and even all diasporas come back it is not enough to accomplish the job because the opportunities and the work load is so much. Some one who encourage Eritreans diaspora dreams come true. Who really is really commuted diaspora when it comes to support its land economically? Can we find any like Eritreans?

    If some one or some groups start Lemma’s group method in Eritrea, the speed Eritrea goes to developing Eritrea is double than Ethiopia if not more. Eritrea is not like hale as the untied nation human right has depicted.

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Mitiku M., the situation in Eritrea is not comparable to that of Ethiopia when it comes to the available space for agitation. Ethiopia, since the fall of the Derg, had some breathing space for those who disagreed with the policies of the TPLF-led EPRDF gov. Yes, there were many casualities and fatal reactions through the years, but it needs some fairness to admitt that there existed an opportunity to express dissent, albeit how limited it was. Now compare this to the Eritrean case, which is basically a terror state that rules with brute force and fear. Let alone political agitation ,even normal social gatherings are seen as threat by the control freak, police state that the Eritrean dictator has created. When you combine this with the mentality of a certain highly vocal part of the society-the Nsu Nhna, then the society gets suffocated, hoplessness rules and people look to means of how to evade the missery than face and challenge it.
      As things stand, I think the impasse can only be solved if some groups within the ruling party, obviously armed and with means to hit back, get organized and challenge the regime from within. Once the people notice that these groups have a traction, then they would join them in droves to bring an end for their decades long suffering. In order for such a force to take foothold in Eritrea, the pro-change Eritreans in the diaspora have to be better organized under a stronger leadership with clear priorities and objectives. Such a force in the diaspora could then act as inspiration and liaison with the internal forces offering political, diplomatic, material, and economic support.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Dear Abraham.
        I try to speak as little as possible about Ethiopia. But coming back to Eritrea , dont you think Eritrea government has a new opportunity to mobilize (change if you will) the peace agreement with the neighboring countries as a turning point and engage people with new Eritrea, with new vision, new hope, new economic policy, etc.

        Release the prisoners and explain how the countries external situation made a negative repercussion of the internal affair thus imprisoned or something to that effect. Not copy cut what Ethiopia is doing but finding the right tune what is appropriate for Eritrea. What we expected in Ethiopia that takes forever changes in weeks time. There is a risk but that is life. What doest Eritrea loose if all of a sudden somebody even from PFDJ engage people mostly on the economy?

        Maybe I am too optimistic due to what is happening in Ethiopia but most of the inevitability is in our mind.

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Mitiku M., yeah, I think you are too optimistic. The experiece of the last decades and the anti-Eritrean nature of the Eritrean dictator tells me that he has nothing postive to offer for the Eritrean people. I would never believe he is going to reconcile with the Eritrean people; his hands are simply too soaked with innocent Eritreans’ blood. For him, he would rather go to his grave with all his crimes, rather addressing the wrongs he has committed on the Eritrean people.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei, Abraham
            Can you tell me the negative contribution of the tplf for engaging itself in changing Eritrean government, and the negative roll of the diaspora opposition groups.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi MM, well, you don’t mistreat your family just because someone has been unfair to you at your workplace, do you? Most of Eritrea’s problems are self-made internally by the regime.

  • Hayat Adem

    The Great Amde,
    You sai, “I meant to say TPLF is a spent force nationally.”
    Of course, I am thinking you are not necessarily speaking of “force” as in its physical manifest. If so, you can not be any farther from the truth.
    Right now, there are three leading schools of though that command distinctive constituents in Ethiopia: The Unitarian Ethiopia, The Federated Ethiopia and The Majoritorian Ethiopia. Which one do you think has more currency in Ethiopia right now?

    • Amde

      Selam Hayat,

      Can you define/describe the three constituencies for me before I respond please?

      • Hayat Adem

        The Great Amde,
        The first one is about the dream of resurrecting the old Ethiopia that existed between 1855 to 1991; the second one (federated) is the one that followed it until last March and the other one is a work in progress where the Abyssinian state flag flies at lower mast and the Oromo/Kush state advances to the front to dominate the political and economic space of Ethiopia.

        • Gondar

          Selam Hayat
          What information led you to the categories? I can tell you you assessment of the political groupings is wrong and you can’t support if by facts. There are no – NO – political organizations or movements to bring back Unitary Ethiopia. Almost all organized political parties support federalism. Their difference is on the form of federalism – ethnic state federalism or geography and economic federalism. Ethnic federalism has been in pace for 27 years and it has failed. However, there are those who subscribe to this type of federalism that argue the failure is not because of the concept but because of implementation. There are primarily Oromo nationalist and the spent Tigrian nationalist. The rest of the country with significant Oromo component want to change the organizing principle of Federalism.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam gonder
            Agree but forgot ethio-somali nationalist.
            tigraian nationalist, i don’t see how ethnic federalism protect there interest , the only reason i see tigrain nationalist fevor the ethnic federalism is because they think it’s unfavorable for amara.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Gonder, I think, before the coming elections in two years time, the politcal actors in Ethiopia need to sort out what kind of government/federation they want to pursue further. As an outside observer, I see there are many Ethiopians who are against the existing federal system that is based on the bases of nations, nationalities, and peoples, carved out as distinct Killils. And though the issue is entirely an Ethiopian internal affiair, I always notice the Eritrean dictator campaigning against the existing system; I think those who are chanting these days ‘Isu’ do so partly based on this view of the dictator.
            So I’m wondering, considering the very short time to the next elections, it is about time for the Ethiopians to start discussing what system of government to follow. What do you think? Is this going to be the next move of PM Abiy?

        • Amde

          Hi Hayat,

          Number 1 has existed for many many years before 1855. Number 2 yielded number 3 and it was inevitable that it would.

          Look for something between 1 and 2 and with a good dose of electoral politics. Units more balanced in population size and economic weight. That is the sweet spot. It would be great for Tigray to be one of multiple political units of equivalent size.

          But then we would be called አድሀሪያን and የድሮ ስርአት ናፋቂዎች and ነፍጠኞች።

          Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            The Great Amde,
            “something between 1 and 2 and with a good dose of electoral politics”
            That is the best mix I would wish for the country. But the fragmentation is happening at a faster pace than the medemer platitude.
            Tigray elite are going to play the power of culture and pragmatism; the Amara elite seem to be deploying the power of propoganda and history; and the Oromo are doing the power of time and number.
            Himm.. do you see any convergence here? Abiy is not a man to lead a nation out of such multiple fractures. You don’t lead a country of serious issues with a preaching quality.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Can you elaborate as to what you mean by “the power of culture and pragmatism”? I could guess, but I don’t want.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            As number is source of a horizontal power so to say, a depth of organizational culture and history draws a vertical power. That is for the culture part. Pragmatism comes from Woyane’s middle role as a ground holder between the unity-first, no freedom-first forces.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Good to ask you. My guess was okay with the first part (on the power of culture). But I was completely off on the second part (on the pragmatism part). I am sure most of the forumers “will be off” they way you said it and the way you mean it. Thank you.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Yesterday I asked Eyob to confirm my view that Abiy hates Q&As with journalists because he seems to be uncomfortable with anything other than giving a rallying speech. Eyob confirmed it and said that’s why he has delegated it to his co-PM.

            I think I saw my first Abiy-through-the-eyes-of-Hayat. The question was about involving people in decisions that affect their lives. And for the second time, he made a bad comparison with going to war just on the orders of the former PM (duh, he was your COO); he talked about Oromo being the highest casualty of the Badme war, he talked and he talked answering a question the person didn’t ask. ናይ ልቡ ኣውፂኡዎ:: I don’t know if I am being paranoid but I saw a glimpse of Isaias Afwerki from back in the day when he used to take questions from the public. He even congratulated himself and his system for being so considerate that an ordinary person can ask the PM questions.

            Eyob, come and spin this buddy!

            saay

          • Alex

            Hi Saay,
            You have been repeating this mantra that we should have accepted the same offer 14 years ago her in awate forum and on twitter. I disagree with that assertion. First TPLF led Ethiopian Gov did not accept the EEBC decision with out condition. Based on the nature of TPLF and its credibility in honoring what they signed we could not have been were we are now with normalization between the two countries if it is not for the leadership of PMAA.

          • saay7

            Alex:

            I disagree with your disagreement. And since it’s a mantra I have repeated, let me repeat it once again based on Game Theory and minimizing risks:

            1. We enter into negotiations with TPLF led gov:
            1.a best case scenario: demarcation with minor adjustments
            1.b worse case scenario: stalemate but Eritrea has moral high ground and UN US pressures Ethiopia
            1.c worse case scenario: stalemate and No peace no war.

            2. We reject negotiations with TPLF Ethiopia
            2a. Best case scenario, International community compels Ethiopia to comply with EEBC
            2b. Worse case scenario: somehow there is a change in government of Ethiopia and Ethiopia unconditionally accepts — but unknown when.
            2c. Worst case scenario: there is tension, no peace no war, threads of regime change, angry Eritrea escalates and involves itself in a country with whom it shares no borders, sanctions, compulsory enlistement, exile, more round up even if old people, dead economy.

            So that was a gamblers addiction not a sound policy decision. A country with a parliament would never have allowed this in 2002 and would not have allowed what’s going on now.

            The whole point about “Ethiopia insisted on preconditions and dialogues and we want demarcation first” applies only if you follow through and stick to it. If your position is well what we really meant was we don’t mind dialoguing but not with those guys, then you have been lying to the people and the world for 14 Years. Not to mention that you have lied to your people because you said demarcation is only thing standing between us and return to normalcy.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            This is not spin. Here is the problem with your evaluation of AAA’s response to Lileyiti Gebru, a forrmer journalist of Tigray TV.

            1) It wasn’t her question. It was another person’s question, who claimed he was denied the opportunity deliberately to ask, because he is TPLF supporter and a critic of the PM. He instead, posted his question on FB and pleaded someone in Minnesota to ask the question for him. So, 1) He was irritated by the allegations that he discriminated this person 2)The phrasing of the questions, which you may not have heard were very accusatory and provocation induces..
            2) Again, the video you might have seen may have been heavily edited. (If it were weekend, I would have posted the whole video here) But, in her question, she basically accused him of weakening EPRDF. In part of his response, he said “In fact EPRDF is much much stronger now. The party itself and it’s leaders take questions from the public. That has never happened before” He continued that there have so many dirty things that happened in the last 27 years that the public doesn’t know. He said he has met with people in DC and LA, whose family members disappeared and still in search of them…So…I do believe you’ve heard only part of the response, which might have been edited out of context.
            3) Again, he mentioned Oromos (he also said Amhara, by the way) dying in Bademe, the questioner implied that the border issue is between Eritrea and Tigray. His response was, the concern of the border is not only at the time of war, but also at the time of peace.
            4) No, he didn’t respond to a question he was not asked. There was another gentleman, who asked him a question with similar nature, but different questions. He was responding to that, also…So, i plead with you to watch the whole video, before you judge, sir. I don’t think you did that.

          • saay7

            Hi Eyobai:

            Let’s wait for the unedited video over the weekend then. We will see if you are spinning as usual or clarifying 🙂

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Eyobay & Saay,

            “The phrasing of the questions… were very accusatory and provocative.”

            One of my disappointments with the attendees was that they didn’t seem to have recognized his purpose in this trip and the complications in some of the questions they were presenting. It seemed that some of them were trying to pit him against every other group and/or to cause him to contradict himself.

            I had started to take notes to criticize him later including the one Saay mentioned, but I deleted them all out of frustration. I have several reasons why I believe everything about the whole trip was unfair to him.

            He came to ask for forgiveness for past mistakes on behalf of a government not necessarily his making and to call upon all Ethiopians to come home or to contribute in the nation building/healing effort.

            This was not the right time to ask about outlet to the sea and details of peace with Eritrea among many other questionable questions.

            On top of the physically trying immediate past several weeks, he was also being handed one bad news after another every other day from back home. In one of the videos I can tell he was extremely tired and I was literally praying for him not to collapse.

            Under the circumstances, he did an excellent job in this tour and here are the main points to take home.

            1) No political belief should be a cause to run or be chased away from home.

            2) We can do much more by embracing, respecting, and cooperating with one another than locking horns.

            3) We have common history and destiny, and therefore let’s advance them as a unit.

            4) We will correct our mistakes, please come home and help us with it.

            ቅዱስ ወብጹእ አቡነ ዐብይ ኣሕመድ ንጉሠ ነገሥት ዘ ኢትዮጵያ ወ ቀታሊ ድያብሎስ ዉስጠ ኩለሙ፤ “ሺ ዘመን ግዛ!!”

          • saay7

            Fanti Ghana:

            I watched the entire unedited video. Will wait for it to be available on YouTube and share over the weekend. My original assessment remains: I don’t want to say “be very afraid” but “be cautious.” Be cautious of a politician who uses the energy of the mob to condescend to an individual. Very Isaiasy, circa 1993.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Saay,
            that is very measured. i am sure you are sensing more than what you are willing to say here. i watched the video too. it is so!

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            To maintain my sanity, I have adopted WWFS*as my mantra whenever I see things that don’t add up in Ethiopian politics. Today I saw what everyone saw: a picture of former PM Hailemariam Desalegn posing with former chairman president comrade Mengistu Hailemariam in Harare Zimbabwe.

            My first instinct was “I guess an All Points Bulletin (APB) must have gone out which says, ‘are you now, or have you ever been, in the business of torturing Eritreans? If so, we want to rehabilitate you!’” Then I did my WWFS and said “I guess Ethiopia was much closer to imploding than previously thought.” Strange days. Pass on the peace pipe please.

            saay

            * WWFS: what would Fanti say

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            Back to our joking to the “theory-but-not-theory” that the PM has floated to the Afar social groups. Now, the Derg-defeat-Derg is rehabilitating by the new PM to play the ugly part of the Ethiopian politics. Second, don’t forget also, the PM reminded their Cushitic race to the Afaris social. You know that message. Add this two as a fuel to the combustion of the current development, you can imagine how risky of their unity will be.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Let me add some points that remained in my mind among so many things he said, to support your points.

            -The importance of ethiopia and ethiopian unity,
            -The damage ethnic politics has done, the difficult to unlearn what ethiopians have been taught over the last 40-50yrs, and therefore we should continue with it until the time when ethiopians realize fully its drawbacks and its impracticality, and dump it.
            -Peace and reconciliation is much more about approaching ethiopians on the opposite shore, those injustice has been done against them, those who have a different opinion with us. We cannot reconcile without accepting the injustices committed by our side, and apologizing for it.
            -Ethiopia cannot be a free country when her citizens do not have the right to travel in any direction they want, and settle everywhere they want within ethiopia.
            -We are pan-africanists, and ethiopia is the center of the pan-african idea for freedom and prosperity. How can we be that as long as we deny the right of our own citizens, our ethiopianism and our common history and civilization.
            -We have been brought to the stage when an ethiopian does not believe in a common language that bonds it with all other ethiopians, and we see a failure of communication between the young.
            -The young have become clueless.
            -The extent of corruption and nepotism is a terrifying phenomenon.
            -We are venturing on democracy, come and help us if you can and if you really want.
            -The economy is a big challenge. Irrigation supported agriculture will be the plan to feed the people. (I do not remember if he has put side by side DS and neo-liberalism. I think that DS remains the guiding economic philosophy, with may be a war against corruption, if it ever succeeds.
            -Our two main religions, instead of being the guiding lights of our society, they have become the messengers of discord, and they have forgotten to be humble in order to teach humility to the ethiopian society. They have done nothing to help their people while others have responded to our call for help.
            -There is a lot the diaspora can do to support their homeland and they are ambassadors of ethiopia wherever they may be.
            -We prefer the carrot, but that does not mean we are not ready to use the stick if everything fails.

            He said many more things that are difficult to call back from memory.

            Finally, on the ethiopian sea access, it was put at the wrong time. PM Abiy is in the middle of a peace deal with eritrea, which he cannot expose to any audience.

            The “end game” mandra does not come only from the pfdj side. It comes also from every ethiopian that has an axe to grind with tplf, rightly most of the time. One could see his stern gaze whenever a question was raised that tried to take him in the direction of making the mistake of condemning tplf, a political that is still part of the eprdf.

            Therefore, the pm has a tightrope to walk, and at every step there are many who try to make him miss his step.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Fantiness,
            I am not blame because you have a soft heart for the new guy as I want no one to blame for loving you.
            1) his purpose of the medener trip..
            2) it was unfair to put tough questions to him…
            Really?
            He is rhe PM of an important country, for God’s sake! And he claims to be a special one with a unique call! It is so unfair to the people and the country he is leading when he wants attendees to treat him like a groom amudst honeymoon.
            As a leadere, he has to define his political and personality character. He has to have a roadmap and mobilize support.
            He represents a fractured party and his acts are not to mend it but demolish it.
            “Am I being questioned because I come from Oromo!” What a weak response!
            He is being asked because he is the PM. Every PM should be ready for such questions. All PMs face such or even tougher question. Some handle realtime national crises.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            Your majesty, strictly on political science grounds, there isn’t much to disagree about the points you mentioned. Then again, why do I have that “soft heart” for him?

            PM Abiy sees himself as a consummate peace maker. I believe he is trying to win as much of the opposition as possible to strengthen our democracy. If nothing else, if he manages to defuse the fulltime Facebook attack on Ethiopia by some degree, it is already a success. The likes of G7 only needed a face saving “invitation” to come home, and it is great he did that.

            I see all those minuses you mentioned and what I call leftover from EPRDF’s discussion behind closed doors, but in the grand skim of things, I strongly believe what he is doing is vital in the current political atmosphere of Ethiopia.

            I also see the potential risks that could come back and haunt him and the nation, but EPRDF must stand by him, for him, and with him on this effort for peace and forgiveness, and if it becomes necessary, take over the mission and continue.

            As things stand right now, I sense TPLFites entitlement as well as Team Lemma’s defensiveness, but I am gambling on wisdom of the majority from both sides will prevail.

            Ethiopians need someone with a heart more than a brain at this time. We need to be calmed and reassured that everything will be alright. He is preaching it and it is good, but its success will depend on how loving, forgiving, and embracing Ethiopians really are.

            TPLF/EPRDF came militant and they remained militant for most part. It has done a great deal, but this is not time to sell EPRDF as is.

            PS:
            Picture me bowing and almost touching the floor with my forehead!

  • Aligaz G

    Dear Abi,

    With respect it bothers me when you address saay as “Saaytanic”. This only detracts from your many interesting points. Maybe I am overly pc but even if meant in jest it is not necessary. Btw since you are evidently unimpressed by saay’s jedi like reflexes or fearful of his omnipresent light saber address the man properly with his chosen nick and then try to destroy his ideas. May the force be with you

  • AMAN

    Shalom !
    Shalom !!
    Shalom !!!
    Awotes
    I see that you didn’t like my posts and have them removed while it is you yourself asked
    and requested for it.
    Could be afraid to face the truth and facts ?
    You have show that you are not fair or level
    playground but only who sides with the one who echoes your voice and one who you like him to say what you tell him like a robot or parrot.
    Well I am sorry to tell you this that i am never a parrot or a prgrammed robot but human being.

  • Kbrom

    Hi all Awate Forumers

    ይሰማል ወይ ኣቢ፥ ይሰማል ወይ ካዲ፥ ይሰማል ወይ ኣምደ እና ሌሎች ክቡራን!

    Can we hold on please and look at our discussion forum, a big chunk of it is about Ethiopia: Ethiopian PM, his motivational speeches, his Q&A, Abiy’s comfort zone, whether Ethiopian constitution should be amended, which economic policy is better for Ethiopia’s economy – Developmental State (DS) or Washington Consensus, if the constitution should continue with Ethnic federalism or whether it should introduce multicultural approach, who defeated Derg, EPRDF or Derg itself (EPLF was not even mentioned) the welfare of Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Ethiopian Muslims, how Ethiopian artists are enjoining Massawa, if PMAA is ultranationalist, the issue of ENN, ESAT, Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopian exchange rate, who killedEthiopian dam engineer Simegnew Bekele, the hug of Goshu Wolde, the intro of Taman Beyene, Tewdros’s question, whether Tilahun (RIP) (Sal did you forget he passed away ) or Mahmoud are fit for PMAA’s era. Even Awate’s homepage is swamped with 14 images of PMAA.

    Why is this becoming normal in Awate forum? Where is Eritrea and its complex problem?All issues mentioned above are even worse in our country, our 3rd patriarch is still in jail, we do not have constitution to be governed with, yet we are talking about what is the best path to refine the existing Ethiopian constitution, we have neither Washington Consensus nor Developmental State (DS), what we have is a self appointed PIA Consensus, President who acts as an economist, an engineer, a financier, a lawyer, a proclamation, a budget, an auditor, a treasurer, reserve bank manager, yet we are not discussing about it, Eritrean Muslims are being thrown into jail because they said they are Muslims and yet we are hairsplitting whether Ethiopia could export the true Islam to middle east and the would be Islamic institutions to be opened in Addis is realistic or not.

    Can we talk about our static political water which is turning green and its algae outbreaks is causing accepting the extreme abnormal as normal? In an attempt to change the topic to our burning issue I tried to start a thread with Mahmuday, who was arguing ክቡር ፕረዚደንት ክትሓንቀና ከለኻስ ብገመድ ዲዩ ወይስ ብምራን እንተትሕብረና ክንደይ ጽቡቕ ምኾነ፡ ንሱ ውን ምስሓነቕካና ኢዩ ምሕባርና ዘድሊ ቅድሚኡስ ደሓን ወላ እንተዘየማኸርካና ምኽንያቱ በዚ ሎሚ ዝእመን ሰብ የሎን instead of saying stop hanging people, but did not get much follow up. I do not have any allergy discussing Ethiopian issue, but it is becoming too much. Our Ethiopian brothers has also to feel our pain and contribute in the discussion of what is the way forward to Eritreans, we are becoming a footnote in Awate Forum.

    Sorry for whatever you might feel due to this uncalled-for advice.

    • Aron

      Hi Kbrom,
      God bless you. I could not agree more.
      Aron

    • Ismail AA

      ሰላም ክብሮማይ፡

      ትብሎ ዘለካ ዝወጾ የብሉን። ናትና ነገር ኣብ ገዛና እና ሓረረስ ገዛ ጎረበትና ከይሓርር ንጠንቀቅ ዝዓይነቱ ዕማም ኢና ጸሚድና ዘለና ነብስና ነብስማትና። ጸገምና ኣብ ፋሕ ጭንግራሕ ህዝቢ ጠቅሙ ርእዩ ኣምባገነናዊ ስርዓት ንኣገዳሲ ኣካላቱ እንተ ብስሚዕታት እንተ ውሑዳት ድማ ብጥሚ ጅሆ ተታሒዙ ዘሎ ህዝብን፡ ነዚ ዓዲ ዘጥፍእ እምበር ዘልምዕ ኣይክኮነን ኢሉ ዓገብ ንምባል ዝከኣሎ ሓርኮትኮት ዝብል ዘሎ ሸነኻት ህዝብን ዘሎ ገፊሕ ጋግ ዝፈጠሮ ኣደራዕ እዩ። ብውሑዱ ዝቋወም ዘሎ ኣካላት ህዝቢ ዘማእክሎ ሓባር መገዲ ክሰልፍ ስለ ዘይከኣለ፡ ኣብ ዙርይኡ ዝክሰት (ኣብ ጎረበት ሃገራት) ምዕባሌታት ጸላለቱ ዘርጊሑ ኣብ ዝሓልፎ ዘሎ ኣደረዓት አደራዕ ከይውሰኸሉ ስለ ዝሰግእ ዝሓርር ዘሎ ገዘኡ ገዲፉ ገዛ ጎረቤቱ ከይቃጸል ስክፍትኡ ንምግላጽ ከምቲ ትብሎ ዘለካ ጉዳዩ ረሲዑ ኣብ ጉዳይ እንዳማቱ ይጸምድ። እሞ ካብዚ ጸገም ንምውጻእ እንያይ ይገበር ዝብል ብድሆ እዋናዊ ሕቶ እዩ። ሓላፍነቱ ብቀንዱ ኣብ ሕብረተሰብ መሪሕ ተራ ዘለዎም ደቂ ሃገር ዓዲ (ገዛ) ሓሪራ ሓሙኹሽቲ ንምዃን ዝተረፋ የብላን ኢሎም ነብሶም ሓኺኾም እንተዘይተበጊሶም ጸገም ቀጻሊ ክኸውንዩ።

      • Kbrom

        ሰላም እስማዒል ንእሽተ ሓወይ

        ብመጀመርያ ነዓኻን ንኩሎም ተዛተይቲ ዓዋተን ጽሑፈይ ኣትሪረዮ እንተኾይነ ይቕረታ እሓትት፡ ቁሩብ ነገራትና ስለዘተሓሳሰበኒ ኢየ፡ እዚ ዘልዓልክዎ ጉዳይ ኣይተዘረበሉን ንምባል ኣይኮንኩን። ብዙሕ እዋን ኣብዚ ዘለኹም ገዳይም እዞም ሓደስቲ ተሳተፍቲ ከምዚ ከማይ ቅድሚ ምጽንባርና ተመያዩጥኩምሉ ኢኹም፡ የግዳስ ከም ናይ ክልተ ሳልሓት፡ ኣብረሀት፡ፒስ፡ በያን፡ ጽጌሬዳ፡ ንትርክ፡ሳራ፡ ሃይላት፡ እስማዒሎ፡ ኤማ፡ኣምደ፡ ብሊንክ፡ ኣብረሃም፡ ኣሮን፡ማሕሙዳይ፡ሆራይዞን፡ ኮኮባይ፡፡ ክልቲኦም ሳሙኤል፡ ሓያት ኣደም፡ ምትኩ፡ስዒድ፡ በርሀ፡ ተድላ፡ ሓላፍ መንገዲ፡ ፊሽ ሚልክ፡ ዓብዱልወርልድ፡ መዝ፡ ካዲ፡ ገህተብ፡ ፋንቲ፡ ኢዮባይ፡ ዓብዱልዎርልድ፡ዝኣመሰሉ ዝተራቐቐ ኣተሓሳስባ፡ በሊሕ ኣእምሮን፡ ልዑል ክእለትን ብስለትን ዘለኩም ኣሕዋትን ኣሓትን፡ ኣብ ሃገርና ዕርቂ፡ ፍቕርን ሰላምን ንምንጋስ ክትሰርሕሉ ስለዝባሃግኩ ኢየ።

        መድረኽ ምዝታይ ዓዋተ መበገሲ ድሕነት ልዕልና ሃገር ዝማእከሉ ምክእኣልን ምልዛብን ናይ ምእንጋድ ዲጂታላዊ መጋበኣያ ኪኸውን ብሂገዮ። ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኣብ ከበሳታት ኣብ ትሕቲ ዳዕሮ፡ ኣብ መታሕት ድማ ኣብ ደንደስ ሩባታትን ዓርከብኮባይን ዝጋባእ ዝነበረ ባህላዊ ናይ ምምኽኻር ያታ ነይርዎ። ኣብ ፖለቲካዊ መሳርዕ እውን ኣብ 50ታት ምስናይ ድኽመታቱ፡ ድሕሪ ናጽነት ድማ ክሳብ 2001 ሃገራዊ ጉዳያት ኣልዒሉ ዝዝቲ ባይቶ ነይርዎ፡ ኣብ 1997 ዝጸደቐ ቅዋም ውን ነይርዎ። እሞኸደኣ ኩለን ሃገራት )እንተላይ እተን ኤርትራ ውሱን ዴሞክራስያዊ ምርጫታት ክትገብር ከላ ኣብ መስፍናዊ ስርዓት ዝነበራ ሃገራት) ንቕድሚት እንዳሰጎማ፡ ፍቕሪ፡ ዕርቂ፡ ሰላም እንዳበላ ንሕና ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ድሕሪ ኩለን ሃገራት ንተርፈሉ ምኽንያት እንታይ ኢዩ። ብኸመይ መንገዲ ኢና እታ ንልዕሊ ርብዒ ዘመን ዝተሓመሰት ሶማል ክትገብሮ ክኢላ ዘላ ብቅዋም ምምሕዳር ዓቐበት ኮይኑና ዘሎ። ቭኸመይ መንገሲ ኢና ንህዝቢ ዘገብር ዘይኮነስ ንህዝቢ ዘገልግል መንግስቲ ኪንትከል ዘይከኣልና። ስለምንታይ ሓው ሓፍቲ፡ እንዳተባሃሃልና ልዕሊ ኩሉ ኤርትራን ህዝባን ዝሰርዕ ሕብረተሰብ ክንከውን ዘይከኣልና። ስለምንታ ኢና ጻሕልና እንዳሓረረ ጻሕሊ ኣማትና ነኽውስ፡ ፍቕርና ተዘሚቱ ከሎ ፍቕሪ ጎረቤት ንሽምት፡ ሓውና እንዳተሳቐየ ብዛዕባ ምቾትና ንሓስብ። ስለምንታይ?

        • Ismail AA

          ክቡር ሓው ክብሮማይ።

          እዚ ካብ ማዕሙቅ ሕልና ሃገራዊ ዋኒን ዝደረኾ ወዲ ሃገር ዝፈልፈለ ሕቶታትን ሒዚዎ ዝመጸ ኒሕን ኣንቢበ ከስተንትን ከሎኹ፡ ካብ ፈጣሪ ኣብዚ ንሓልፎ ዘለና ጨካን ዘመን ዝልምኖ እንተልዩ ንዓኻን ንኸማኻን ጸጋ ዕድመ ምስ ጥዕና ከህበኩም እዪ። እቲ ምንታይ ንዓይን ንኸማይን ክጥዕመና፥ ምኽኒያቱ ለባማት መዓዲ ዘይብሉ ህዝብን ሕብረተሰብን ዘይሩ ዘይሩ ከም ሹም ዘይብሉ ዕስለ ንህቢ ኣብ መዋእለ ዕውንውን ኣትዩ መጨረሽኡ ፋሕፋሕዩ።

          እዚ ብሓልዮትን ቅንዕናን ዝለገስካዮ ሕቶታትን ማዕዳን ንብዙሓት ከማኻ ለባማት መዓልታዊ ዋኒኖምዩ። ግን ካብ ፖለቲካዊት-ጆግራፍያዊት ሃገረ ኤረትራ ተፈጢራ ለባማት ኣቦታት በቲ ጠቂስካዮ ዘለካ ናይ ቅድሚኦም ዝሓለፉ ኣቦታት ዘውረስዎም፡ ዘተ ሰላምን ቅሳነትን ይፈጥር ዝብል መርሆ ተኸቲሎም ሃገር ካብ ዘረክቡና መዋእል መልሲ ክንረኽበላ ዘይከኣልና ዘለና ሕቶ፡ ኣንቱም ሰባት ጸገም ገጢሙና ኣሎሞ እንታይ ንግበር ትብል ሕቶ እያ። ብቁዕ ሓባር መገዲ ትካል ፈጢርና ነዚኣ ሕቶዚኣ ክንምልሽ እንተዘይበቂዕና ድማ ከምቲ ሽም ዝጠፍኦ ንህቢ ኢና ክንከውን። ዝኾነ ኾይኑ ንበር መታን ዝሰምዕ እንተሎ ማዕዳኻ ክትልግስ።

          ሰላም ውዒልካ ብሰላን ሕደር።

      • Haile S.

        Selam Kbrom, Imail, Mahmoud and all,
        Kbrom, no one will disagree with you, but it has been going on like this for long time. It is a proxy war and proxy wish (ብቐሊሉ ትግርኛ ኣገላልጻ ኣይረኸብኩሉን). It is a proxy war between our ghedli-polarized factions. It is a proxy wish for what we have missed in Eritrea, for what we were wishing to occur in Eritrea since the declaration of peace between the two countries.
        Mahmoud, you seem to have switched off your volume, we don’t hear you. I hope you are fine. If my caricature of ስላም ያሳበደው was too harsh for you, I apologize. It was intended to say we still don’t have full peace.
        ሕጂ ብትግርኛ ክዛረብ። ሰለስቴኹም Emma ራብዓይኩም እትለዋወጥዎ ዘለኹም ትግርኛ ብጣዕሚ ደስ ዘብል እዩ። ጽውጽዋይን ጽዋይን። ሓደ ጊዜ ሓደ ሰብ ኣብ ጥቓ ሓንቲ ኦም ኮፍ ኢሉ ዝነበረ፡ ቆሎ ክቕበል ከሎ፡ ነታ ኦም ሓቚፉ፡ ክልተ ኣእዳዉ ኣላጊቡ፡ ብዙሕ ቆሎ ይቕበል። ክበልዕ እንተደለ ይጽገም። ቆልኡ ከፍስስ እውን ኣይደለየን። እዛ ጽውጽዋይን፡ ን”ዓያሹ” እያ ተፈጢራ፣ ከምቲ ዝሰማዕክዋ እድሕሪ ከዝርንቱ ኮይነ፡ ኩላትና ዓያሹ ክንብሃል ኢና። ክጥቀመላ ዝደለኹ ግና፡ ፕረሰደንት ኢሰያስ ንሰላም ከምቲ ቆሎ ገይሩ ዝተቐበሎ ስለዝመሰለኒ እዩ። ንሽግራት ሃገርና ሓቚፉ ስለዝተቐበሎ ኸኣ፡ ምትግባሩ ዘጸገሞ ይመስል። ነዛ ኦም ቁረጹለይ፡ ቆሎይ ክቑርጥም ዳርጋ ኮይኑ እዚ ነገር። ንዑ ሓግዙኒ። እዘን ቖሎ ተቐበሉኒ እሞ ካብዛ መጻወድያ ኦም ተገላጊለ ሓቢርና ቆሎና ንብላዕ ምባል ጠፊእዎ።

        • Ismail AA

          ሰላም ሃይለ ሓወይ።

          ስሱዕ እንዲዩ፥ ከምኣ ኢሉ ኦሙን ቆሎኡን ሕዙ ይመውት እንብር ንዑ ሓጉዙኒ ባህረያቱ ዘይኮነ። I agree with you senseless polarization and its prolonged existence have submerged objectivity of assessing and dealing with our problems to directionless subjectivity where oriented politics for collective objectives gave way to mere voicing of personal opinions, feelings and sentiments under crushing weight of ruthless despotism.

        • MS

          Selam HaileS
          ዝገርመካ እርጋን ይተሓሓዘኒ ግዲ ኣሎ ብዙሕ ይሓልፈኒ ኣሎ። ኣይረኣኹዋን እምበር ናይ ሃይለ ምዕዶ ደኣ ኣበይ ክርከብ! ኤእ ኣሪገ እንተበልኩ ኸኣ ክሳብ ክንድ’ዚ ኣየኽፋእኩን፡ ምስ ናይ ዓድና ብምዝማድ እዩ። ክንደይ እዩ ናይ ዓድና life expectancy መታን ክዳሎ፡ ማለት ሲ ፖለቲካ ገዲፈስ ናብ ጸሎት ከድህብ?
          ብኻልእ ሸነኽ ካኣ፡ ብውሑዱ ብወገነይ፡ ብዙሕ ካብቲ እንተታት ዳርጋ ተወጊዱ እዩ። እንድዒ ንዓኻ ምበር፡ ንዓይ ሲ መጻኢ ኩነታት ሃገርና ንምትንባዩ እንዳቐለለ ይመጽእ ኣሎ።
          ገና ከኣ ምዕባይ ቆልዑ ኣይወዳእኩን’ዚ ዓርከይ።

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mahmoud,
            ኣሪግካ ዘይኮንካስ ዙርያ (ጥቢቆ) ደሊኻ ኢኻ :-). ሰላም ድኣ ኣነውን ይርኣየኒ ኣሎ። ግና’ሲ እዚ መራሒና፡ ንሱ በዓል ክልተ ኣዒንቲ ንሕና ዕዉራት ተኸተልቲ ስለ ዝገበረና፡ እንተተዓንቀፈ’ሲ እንታይ ክንከውን ኢና ኢለ ስለዝፈራህኩ እየ። ከማኻ እውን ኣነ፡ በዞም ክንትክኦ ቅሩባት ኢና ዝብሉ ኣሕዋትን ኣሓትን እጠራጠር እየ። ኦክያለ (ዳቢስታ) ስለዘርጎዱ’ሲ እምበር’ዶ ዓይኒ ኣለዎም፡ እምበር’ዶ ይርእዩና ኣለዉ? ክንመርሓኩም ዝብሉና፡ ንዓና ገዲፎም ንዕኡ ናብ ድምጹ ዘቛምቱ’ሲ፡ ከማና ዕዉራት ካይኮኑ እብል። ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ንሰላም ይበሎ።

    • Amde

      Selam Gash Kbrom,

      I don’t feel offended at all to be honest. Personally I try not to initiate threads and if you notice most of my comments are responses to already initiated discussion.

      Ethiopian topics clocking a much higher discussion volume than other topics has been a verifiable statistical fact now for several years. Paradoxically, I don’t think the number of Ethiopian commenters are that high. The volume is also driven by intense Eritrean interest. Articles/topics that are on exclusively Eritrean topics just don’t generate as much volume and I have often wondered why. It is possible that both Ethiopians and Eritreans feel qualified to speak on Ethio issues, but only Eritreans on the exclusively Eritrean issues, and of those that do, only a small number care to post much.

      The other explanation is I think many Eritreans feel Eritrean politics is frozen and is not so discussion worthy at the moment. I may be wrong of course, but I think this second point by itself is worth an article and discussion.

      And with that I will take a hiatus.

      Amde

      • Peace!

        Amde,

        No. You shouldn’t. . You are fair and balanced for Eritreans interested on Ethiopian politics.

        Peace!

      • Selam Amde.

        This is not the first time that such topic has been raised on this website: i.e. why ethiopian politics becomes the major topic of discussion on an eritrean website, or why eritrean politics is hijacked by ethiopian politics. Kbrom, may not be aware of it.

        There were times when some would say, damn these ethiopians, why are they allowed to say anything they like in our home and in front of us? Moderator, shut them out, or we will burn the place. 😂 And i would tell them, do you want to listen to the echo of your own voices? Then, go on.

        In my opinion rarely is there eritrean politics free of ethiopian politics. Almost everything that happens in ethiopia has an impact in eritrea one way or the other, and vise-versa.

        Rarely does news comes out of eritrea compared to ethiopia. News is a deviation from a normal situation (something like that was said by the bbc some time ago), and fortunately or unfortunately, rarely does news different from the ordinary comes out of eritrea. The status quo is not news, an entrenched dictatorship, that doesn’t change by itself and nobody else dares to bother it.

        The few news that came out of eritrea that i remember are the forto, recruits absconding at the center of asmara, demonstration by religious school children, and may be few other things that happened and became news for discussion, while the news that comes out of ethiopia is common.

        Over the last three months, the Abiy phenomenon has shaken everybody, ethiopians and eritreans alike, and has become a topic for continuous discussion on awate.com. It has become a vogue to discuss what he did and what he said, and at the same time important for the two countries. Definitely, we will soon have a new topic of discussion. Nevertheless, if it is going to be free of ethiopian politics, i can’t guarantee you.

    • David Samson

      Selamat Kibrom,

      I rarely comment on Ethiopian’s politics. I can understand why others do. Ethiopia has a lot going and provides varieties of choices on the menu: population has doubled since 91; has seen four prime ministers; ethnic politics and now has the medemer phenomena.

      In Eritrea, we have the ‘Nsu politics’. We have bleeding the following words: rule of law, constitution, reforms,to death to such extent, they seem to lose their true meaning.

      I have many friends whom I have been arguing politics since 1998. Their argument has been the same: The border ticket-we should post-pone all things until our borders have been resolved. Now, we stopped talking to each other. Why? We have not got any points to talk about since ‘Nsu’ told them border is a secondary issue. We have reached a ‘Dead end’

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam kbrom
      I see 3 reason why, 1, i don’t think most of PIA opposition in this forum r eritreans. 2, ethiopia poltics affect eritrea. 3. I think deep inside i don’t think they understood the true meaning of independent eritrea.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Kbrom,

      I hope Awate Team will evaluate comments posted in this website. First, comments should respect Eritrean sovereignty, this should be a red line never to over step. Secondly, comments that attempted to create turmoil and unrest among the peoples of our neighbors should be blocked . Thirdly, commentators who do not have a job except deomization Eritrean opposition, tplf or any group that do not worship their god should also blocked. These people have no issue to discuss except denial and demonization of freedom seekers

      There are shifatu like Nitric, blink, MS, Abi (Gibot7 guy and agent of Isaias), and their likes are in mission to slaughter Awate.com. They don’t come here to exchange knowledge, but to ruin knowledge, and teach lies and denial.

      • Nitricc

        Al arabi you said ” should be blocked ” typical stupid Arab thing. No one should be blocked.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Nitricc,

          Agents and worshipers of the shifta should be blocked. Your god has declared it frankly that he is an Ethiopian. It is time to take off your veil and join your brothers and sisters in Ethiopia. When you take such step, believe me we will respect you as our neighbors. You are in a terrible state of life; take Eritreanism out from you and embrace your true Ethiopian identity forthright like your god. I think, Mr. Nitricc, you have forgotten to follow the foot steps of your god, the criminal.

          • Nitricc

            Al Arabi; I can’t expect you to think in higher level but PIA is not dummy and you are unequipped to understand this man’s superiority. When a young fire breathing, equipped with quality and the desire to change Africa telling you in your face that he is the new “Eritrean foreign minister “ then you fire back and say “ you are going to lead us, I gave everything and just ask me everything you need”. The young and the much loved prime minster goes out not only kills Sanction for you, but he solves every problem you have.
            And dumb people come out and say, PIA sold us to Ethiopia, PIA gave all power to Abiy and all the nonsense garbage. People
            with high quality of solving problems use the moment to solve their problem. Again, I am expecting too much out of you guys. besides, I thought you people told us that PIA rather die than giving of power? now he just let his power just like that?

          • Amanuel

            Hi Nitricc
            Have you heard this Tigrigna proverb “ንለባም ኣምተሉ እንታይ ከይስሕቶ፣
            ንዓሻ’ኸ ደርጉሓሉ እንታይ ከይፈልጦ፣

            When a one leader tells another leader I am your foreign minster, it is an insult. What he was telling him was you are terrible at diplomacy and you need help.

          • saay7

            Amanuel:

            Here’s a different interpretation.

            So, in his address in Asmara, PM Abiye says something like, “up until now, you may have heard me mention Eritrea every now and then. But effective today, since President Isaias has officially bestowed on me the authority of Foreign Minister, wherever I go, if you see me representing Mr. Osman [Saleh], don’t think of it as duplication of efforts.”

            It was a joke, as one can see from the reaction of Isaias Afwerki. It was a joke in Eritrea. But when giddy Isaias went to Ethiopia, he changed it into a serious offer and not limited to foreign affairs but everything that deals with development, progress. This was too much for the Prime Minister and he pushed back by saying, “with the help of my older brother.”

            If you look back at our joint history, it appears Eritrea and Ethiopia don’t know how to have a healthy, mutually-respectful relationship. We are either in love or in hate.

            Another theory: I think all the G-15 and everybody else who is arrested and exiled was the moderating influence on Isaias Afwerki because he appears to be just a bundle of emotions wildly swinging from utter depression to elation. Can you imagine that as a head of state with unrestrained powers to affect the lives of millions? Well, you can more than imagine: you have seen the last 27 years.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            “Swinging from utter depression to elation”. Indeed we have seen it

          • @george

            Dear aman

            Give saay, xanax, calm his nerve down. Yellow bar….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam George,

            ሳልሕ (Saay) አንበሳ’ምበር:: አደ ንዑኡ ወሊዳ ትምከን ዘብል’ዩ ናቱ ነገር እምበር:: ረአዮሞ ብኽንደይ ግንባራት ንእሽቶይን ዓብይን ከይበለ አብ ግጥምያታት አትዩ በይኑ ክዋደቅ ከሎ:። ኮሪዑ ዘኹርዓካ ሓው:: ናይ ጭንቀት አእምሮ ዘለዎ ሰብዶ ክንድዚ ትርእዮ ዘለኻ ናይ ሓንጎል ግጥምያታት ክገብርዶ ይኽእል እዩ?ስለዚ እቲ እትጠልበሉ ዘለኻ መደሃኒት አነ ከም ዝተገንዘብኩኻ ንዓኻ መሓሸ ምበልኩ:: ናይ ሳልሕ ዘይስልኪ ቃልሲ’ሞ አደ ንዑኡ ወሊዳ ትምከን ዘብል’ዩ:: ስለዚ እየኮ “ኣያ አዲኡ” ክብሎ ዘኽአለኒ:: ክንደይ ድፋዓት የፍርስ አሎ: ክንደይ ተንኮላት የፍሽል አሎ: ክንደይ ውጥናት ጸላእቲ ህዝቢውን ዘየቃልዔ:: ሳልሕ ክንድሽሕ ዋልታ ውጹዓት’ዩ:: ዕድመ ጥራይ ይሃቦ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,

            “አደ ንዑኡ ወሊዳ ትምከን ዘብል’ዩ ናቱ ነገር እምበር:”

            KS,,

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Good one! But then you see him walking laughing in the middle of streets without fear, and see people cheering hugging him despite he bankrupted the economy and emptying the country. He even takes foreign leaders for a walk and impress them how his country is safe. ዛዕጎል ጌሩሉዶ ይኸው ንዚ ውጹዕ ሕዝቢ:)

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Since he is sure about the “submission” of the Eritrean people, there is no worry in him, to walk laughing in the streets without fear. If you have any suggestion of something that instill courage, I will be glad to hear from you.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Courage is just an ingredient and they do have enough. Trust me Hawi Hawi zchenwu Menaeseyat Ab wishti Adi Alewu it is just lack of accountable leadership and coordination. The kids protested for Aldia school were aged between 8-15 but they shook the city and DIA himself. The only best way to deal with despot is what Soyum Harestay suggested: “እቲ ህዝቢ ማእከላዊ ሓይሊ እዩ ውሽጢ Eritrea ካኣ እቲ ቀንዲ ዓውዲ ናይ ተቓውሞ ክንገብሮ ክንክእል ኣለና”

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I believe there is a clear-cut word for it. Bipolar?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Yep. I was simply quoting Saay. Good to see you back, we missed you for a week.

          • Paulos

            Thank you Kbur Haw!

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Yep. Yep. Yeb. That is it. Swinging and unpredictable mood.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear SJ, saay and Aman H.,

            Don’t you think if a despot is not unpredictable, he would think himself lacking in key quality: decide and execute, punish and reward, appear and disappear etc. Unpredictability is a function of domination. Or I am just hallucinating?

          • Saleh Johar

            Ismail,
            I agree his main motive is to dominate and remain the Aplpha male, but sometimes simplicity in explaining his nature is better. I think… and you are not hallucinating at all.

          • saay7

            Ismail:

            One of the people who knows Isaias the longest (3 decades plus) is Mesfin Hagos. And based on his looney act in Ethiopia, Mesfin Hagos said “this is not the Isaias that we know.” So there is that.

            The question is: is he crazy or crazy like a fox? For that, we need a medical check up, a requirement for all heads of governments in the West.

            saay

          • Amanuel

            Hi saay7
            It was bizarre performance. My friend thinks that they were hurrying to meet the deal line set by AUE.

            On the earlier post you asked me a question but for reason I couldn’t understand I was blocked from replying.

          • Amanuel

            Hi saay7

            It was bizarre performance. My friend thinks they were showing off hurrying to meet the dead line set by UAE.

            Sorry didn’t reply to you on the earlier article. For some reason I was blocked from replying (I think put on the naughty step for posting a link on Sunday).

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            Another theory: I think all the G-15 and everybody else who is arrested and exiled were the moderating influence on Isaias Afwerki because he appears to be just a bundle of emotions wildly swinging from utter depression to elation..

            I met Adhanom Ghebremariam on a trip and we had some good conversation. And I asked him, how is it possible that IA can do all these blunders and yet he was able to lead a very successful organization such as EPLF? Is it true that he lost it, when he was stung by the mosquito in his brain?

            He said he is always like that and very emotional and very stubborn. But the leaders around him like Sherifo, DureE are always influence ” his exact word ይመልስዎ”. I think it was him who said during the meeting of Sep 2000, when everyone was told him in unison that they had to fix their ways of doing things and he needs to be accountable. He told them, if I am the problem I will step down “ክወርደልኩም ይኽእል እየ” and he started to walk away. Sherifo followed him and brought him back.

            My friend iSem told me similar story. It was during the MenkaE movement when they confronted him, he told them “አነ ክወርደልኩም ይኸእል እየ”, where someone, i forgot his name but I think he is John Brain (iSem) who said to him “እዚ እኮ፡ ኩዑሶ ጸወታ አይኮነን፡ አን ክወርድ አነ ኮፍ ክብል ትብል፡ ንሓና ንሓተካ ዘለና፡ አሰራርሓ ቐይር፡ ብሕጊ ስራሓ ኢና ንብል ዘለና፡፡”

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I think the ይመልስዎ should read የቃባጥርሉ and of course years later the S-15 [S for ስትዩፒድ] treated him like a 🐱 when he is in fact a rabid Tiger.

          • iSem

            Hi BY and Saay:
            BY; Yes, I read this from the book of Menkae, that I stole from the office of student Union in Kassala. The book was only given to the trusted few insiders and I was not so I took it and read all the conversation: what IA said about his brawl with Temesghen Berhe and his verbatim exchanges with Johan and Mussie and why he was escorting the late Hilal to the clinic while he ignored the rest. And his exact words from mt memory now were, I stand correct, and if I am the problem… mhret yewrdeley etc. Charming wards to the gullible
            The moderating influence is little bit exaggerated, because it depends what they are moderating, example Petros Solomon said that they were spending money that they did not know the source ( Peros was the security chief), imagine that for a second. a political office member shell shocked when IA floated the idea of joint government, a political office members who kept quite when he said, the leaders were steeped in sectarian mess (second party congres, Yemane Teklegergish intererview), political office members who do not ask the whereabouts of their comrades and if they ask, they are quite when IA says that is done with. So this moderating infuence, this concensus building leadership is a bit exaggerated and the sad thing is the G-15, did not understand IA will go this far in broad day light. The son of Germano told Assenna that when he asked his father to be careful IA is blacking mailing you guys and may arrest you, his answer was tetselilu doo?
            So this thing has gone awry long time ago
            So if it is finance, security, there was no question, IA’s will goes and if u control both, and cruelty then you control everything. The fact that higher echelens, founding fathers, military leaders get disappeared and no meaningful opposition happens tell u that the G-15 were good at what they did, jobs IA assigned them but no power, no influence,the Quranic verse. “lahwula wo la quetta lehu”come to mind
            And it doe snot stop with G-15.
            Imaro, founding fahter whowas once IA’s leader, Tweil, intellectuals like Pharon Weldu, disabled vets like Aba Arre and many, many others, not forgetting Bitweded are treated like rats tells you something.
            Let us stop kidding ourselves, and the finale of you are our leader also tells you something deeper

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Nitricc,

            The time we told you that your god “rather die than giving of power”. At that moment of time, he was still full of enthusiasm and emotion. Now, he is almost done. Age has made a raid on him with its full power. No way for dreams, game is over; power should be handed over to his mother land compatriot, Dr. Abie Ahmed. At least, he compensates him with a ring, quilt, Ethiopian kings robe (caftan), and crown him with Ethiopian kings traditional crown, something is better than nothing. murmurs Issu silently.

            It should be comprehended that all who create problems, phobias, and stir them are from Ethiopia. They don’t show any loyalty to Eritrea and its people though they claim they are Eritreans. These Alula militias remnants are always loyal to Ethiopia, their mother land. Eritreans have observed that inclination in many stances. The Eritrean people have no problem to embrace them as Eritreans, but they should be loyal to Eritrea and her people and should not strive to create hatred among Eritreans.

            All Eritrean people problems will disappear the moment these bigots cross the border to their Mama. I entreat Dr. Abie Ahmed to collect his lost nationals and to make them lead a life without identity crisis.

            Never mind Mr. Nitricc, I promise I will visit you in Showa or Tigrai wherever you like. I am sure since you speak Tigrina, you will join tplf party. Good luck, Mr. Nitricc, blink, robel, cool, and the rest of the list. The next step you should do join the Ethiopian websites, the country that you like most. and sacrifice for her as you like, but I am afraid that you are accustomed to lies and denial that want work inside Ethiopia.

            The time forged Eritreans cross the border to their Mama,sick Eritrea will be healthy. It is good, Isaias already crossed the border towards his Mama, and we expect the rest to follow in droves.

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Kibrom,
      Rarely I come around but seeing the response you got let me offend some people here. Since the coming of Abiy to power many things have changed and will change even more in the months and years to come.
      People-to-people: on both sides of the Mereb families and loved-ones were separated by the animosity that used to reign for 27 years. That is huge when you consider a father was left without his new born kids; a wife were left to fend for herself without her husband; imagine the stigmatization kids of half caste have to go through. Most Eritrean opposition and PFDJites were & are in competition to show who is the most nationalist. On par to other side, TPLF and its surrogates were doing the same thing. Yet in the end; the people on both sides wanted a leadership with human touch and understanding. That was Abiy.

      Normalization: given the above Isu wanted to return the favor. Ethiopia is investing. With investment comes greater security (some times with repression) and a slower pace of democratization, if at all. They also had that bad experience during the TPLF’s and EPLF’s honymoon period. It is this that, for those who care for Eritrea, puts them squarely against Abiy and Ethiopia. Never mind their behavior is untenable and at times boorish, tainted with an alarming brush. As I wrote long long ago, there are also those (as Amde found out the hard way) from the rank and file of the opposition that has a deep seated problem with Ethiopia and her existence; in one form or another.

      What could have helped more is that for Ethiopia to show her true intentions in this process. It has to show to her neighbors (especially to Eritrea) that she meant to join civil societies that adhere to solving conflicts withing the international law, arrangements, and groups of nations with shared defense. As it stands, she has an assailable federal arrangement. A parliament with little effect given how the party runs the state. A police and a defense force that is mired by party affiliates and economic meddling. All these are precipice for normalcy and civil liberties. After this the government can go ahead and do the academic exercises of developmental state or otherwise debates.

  • Saleh Johar

    Abi,
    Really? I will reply to all your quips so that you do not accuse me of being late again. Take it a=easy. Promise you will? Okay.

    1. If I owed you a timely response and didn’t deliver, I apologize. End of the month is a bit tough with the bills.

    2. So, you think I am missing the point big time! Iwish there was a pont. a worthwhile one. I am not worried.

    3. And you are telling me the state of religious freedom in my country–what makes you think I do not know about it? Or, you do not recognize my years of toiling to contribute to alleviating that problem. Can I be a little bold and ask you to humble yourself, one tiny bit 🙂 Thank you for telling me who is in prison. I wish you told me who is rehabilitating the jail warden. Maybe forumers can volunteer more clarification. You seem to be behind on that 🙂

    4. The day I apologize for calling a charlatan, A CHARLATAN, is the day rationality is lost–I have some conscience in me. Please be fair.
    5. First, don’t insult me. I do not have a president yet. And when the empty skirts danced in the streets, you know where I stood, where I stand now, and what my position is. Now equating a charlatan with a sect is not sane–what? All this Medemer and you can’t do basic math? But you do not see any difference between me and those who cheered the imprisonment of Eriteans. That exposes your thinking, mine is Tsuruy kem may negho (translator service advised)

    6. When I see charlatans taking people on a ride, making people crawl like snakes, and himiliating them, I will always make a joke. Stupid performances are materials for jokes, not educational lessons. Think about that.

    7. Ineed, you showed the vulnerability of the Tigray people, and you are threatening them–we can identify you even at night. Good agitational message, for a country that is supposedly engulfed with LOVE.

    8. You know the consequences of ethnic politics more than I do. What I learned about it is from your people. I didn’t buy it for a split second.

    9. Rudeness and supremacist remarks are described as HARD TALK. I can see that.

    10. I do not know the virus, you know better. How many virus did you ee since Sunday?

    11. Ineed, I hear what he is preaching openly and I understand a language called subtility. Now I am aspiring to learn sign language, and how to identify the ethnicity of an Ethiopian, I need a lesson. You are experts on that.

    Chuz

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei, Girmay.
    Wrong again.
    He is pragmatical PM. You saw the result already with peace deal with Eritrean. It seamed easy because the minority government yours created most of the problems or exaggerated for mama tigray first. And now you are sweating how mamma tigray project continues without blooding, killing, looting mama Ethiopia. All what he is telling us is against the corrupt racist Meless plan. We dont expect you to love Abiy but dont your greed let twit Abiy’s vision. It is not his fault that your genius started his speech with insult the rest of Ethiopia and what is Ethiopians. His education and bringing up couldn’t allow to behave like Meles. Meles came to power with hate and inferiority complex while Abiy was brought up with love and discipline. You dont expect this quality from Meles due to many constraints.

    You couldnt understand why the people get so happy with Abiy speech. The followings were your visionary great speechs which made Tigrians loved him but not the rest of us.
    1) “These Amhara donkeys need to be taught a lesson. They only become peaceful and religious when a kalashnikov is pointed at them.”

    2) Ethiopias history is not more than 100 years.
    3) Your flag is piece of cloth, dont say flag flag like parrots.
    4) You want port go fight for it
    5) If we dont like the color of their eyes
    6) Oromos are secessionists
    7) If you want to change us by power try it
    8) You shall be rotten in prison
    9) Lady, if your son does not return in six months time, then you’ll have your answer
    10)
    “The only forces we are pursuing are Eritreans who are hiding behind the skirts of Somali women.”

    You see the difference. We the majority are not street children. We dont expect the above trash. This kind of Trash is said from one who thinks he could dictate us by power. So follow your leader footsteps and tell us directly like him. dont go around the bush.

  • Desbele

    Hi Abdulworld
    I read that book too, thanks for bringing it in.
    Chang argued on his book looted money reinvested in the country is much better than moved to Swiss bank. The comparison he made is between Suharto of Indonesia and Zaire’s Mobutu.
    Both were corrupt and looted billions. But Suharto reinvested it through his relatives in his own country while Mobutu moved it to Swiss bank. Indonesia end up to be much better country.
    I feel similar story between Erirea & Ethiopia. Eri Is rich in Swiss.

    • abdulworld

      Hello Des,
      I don’t how to describe Eritrea case- It is not a real civil society. Its policy is “we don’t what we are doing and we are going to make it up as we go”

  • saay7

    Abdulworld:

    What I said is that the US engineered the land reform in Japan and South Korea and of the two the former is considered wildly successful and it was the brainchild of General Macarthur who essentially ran post World War II Japan. See, for example,AGRICULTURAL LAND REFORM IN POSTWAR JAPAN: EXPERIENCES AND ISSUES by Toshihiko Kawagoe

    saay

  • saay7

    Abi:

    Tilahun, Mahmoud are not fit for the Abiy era: they carry a single note for 5 minutes and we all get thirsty waiting for them to exhale.

    This is more representative of the era: Ahmed Teshome, (Zema Zena | ዜማ ዜና)

    saay

    • Abi

      Saay
      It must be a slow night at Saatanland.
      Mohamud is soooo “here and now” that he is dancing with Abiye and Isuye .
      Eway!
      You know I care less about Mahmoud Ahmad.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Abi,
    You were mad because I criticized a charlatan, now you are making fun of all Tigrayans. The II mark on the side is a Tigrayans thing not TPLF’s—you should know the culture of your people!!is that how they are identifying them all over the place?

  • saay7

    Abi:

    UC school budget before or after the Chancellors’ salaries?

    saay

    • Abi

      Saaytanic
      Uncle Google just told me that the budget is over 34 Billion. The chancellors’ salaries is not even 1 million each . I think there are about 10 chancellors. I did not read much.
      So my answer is it doesn’t matter.

  • saay7

    Gonder:

    Ethnic federalism may be a fact of life but it’s not mandated by Ethiopia’s constitution.

    Ultranationalist or hyper nationalist are people who prioritize love of country (love = flags, and a highly militarized gov flexing its muscle inside and outside the country, unitary-statism, equating culture and mores of one ethnicity with that of the entire nation, sentimentalism, whitewashing history) above all else including justice and democracy.

    saay

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Saay,
      You touched topics that always bother me. And I have written exrensively in many of them. In fact, I was mecillesly vilified for stating such ideas. Now that we have reached the Abiy era, the ideas I expressed are being verified on a daily basis.

      As much as I tried to love PM Abiy, he seems on a race to desuade ne from that. You mentioned “whitewashing” among other equally significant terms. Can you think why he would say the Derg was defeated in its own, nobody defeated it? How about the cost of defeating the brutal Derg? It’s null and void?

      I find that an insult to Eritreans and Ethiopians who paid in sweat and blood, and lives. Was that insult necessary to appease Gishuru Wolde, whom he accorded a special honor by descending from the podium to embrace? All that to whitewash the Derg and get at the TPLF?

      I am very disappointed by this chap, and he is spitting on our face. And the few gooons whose sacrifices is ruled a lie are all Gaga while the are being trashed. I am talking if the few veterans of the struggle.

      • saay7

        Baw Abu Selah:

        I think we are mixing a bunch of issues.

        I do not believe PM Abiye (“this guy”) is an ultranationalist. At all. He is a nationalist who is trying to dull the razor sharp edge of ethno-nationalism that has pervaded Ethiopia over the last 27 years. It too has ramifications: speaking of writing, you once wrote movingly about a young Ethiopian who couldn’t get a job before he was from the wrong ethnic group.

        Derg defeated Derg was said in response to an Afar elder who was flattering him by saying “EPRDF defeated Derg and you can defeat anything if you just close the system back up and settle things among yourselves.” The Afar elder was inviting the PM to continue status quo and Abiye said well no, EPRDF has always been a feuding coalition and no we didn’t defeat Derg; Derg isolated itself from the people by massacring them. In other words, an organization is never defeated militarily but politically and that comes by the org enlisting the people to its cause, which became easy when the Derg was massacring people in broad daylight.

        All this is very different from the cause of the ultranationalist. I think you think Abiy has been co-opted by them. And I don’t see evidence for it.

        saay

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Saay,

          Dictatorships in Africa, the Middle East and elsewhere continue to kill their way out of crises most of the time. They need to be defeated militarily to relinquish power.

          Clearly, the Derg was defeated on the military battlefield.

          • saay7

            Selamat Simon:

            True, but are you disputing that a guerrilla movement is very unlikely to succeed militarily unless it has popular support?

            saay

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saay,

            No. I am only disputing Abiy’s assertion that no one defeated the Derg. At times the man speaks from both sides of his mouth like a used cars salesman.

            Theory of People’s [Guerrilla] War divides warfare into three phases.

            In Phase One, the guerrillas earn population’s support by distributing propaganda and attacking the organs of government.

            In Phase Two, escalating attacks are launched against the government’s military forces and vital institutions.

            In Phase Three, conventional warfare and fighting are used
            to seize cities, overthrow the government, and assume control of the country.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Saay,
          I am not even bringing his Afarland speech. He said that clearly in his DC speech before hugging Gosho Wolde. Now I know only the Italians were defeated. And you know whose preamble that is: his allies.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            For Eritreans, celebrating defeat of Derg is one country prevailing over another.

            For Ethiopians, celebrating defeat of Derg (and all its conscripted soldiers) is celebrating civil war.

            If your primary issue is reconciliation (መደመር), then it’s good strategy to highlight something every Ethiopian can celebrate: defeat of Italians.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saay,

            I totally agree with that perspective and reasoning. The problem is we are supposed to have our own perspective. We know there are 100 million of them who can applaud Ethiopia’s perspective regarding what I consider Abiy’s political scandals. I will stick to issues that concern Eritreans and that is why “this guy” is annoying me 🙂 I just cannot consider the Ethiopian perspective when the Eritrean perspective is becoming foggier. In addition, I see the (መደመር) thingy is being translated to subtracting Eritreans who are struggling day and night. And I concede my view doesn’t sound objective, but we are stakeholders, therefore, we should not be bothered when those who devastated us are being lionized–from the Derg to Isaias.

          • saay7

            Abuselah:

            Well, so far, the biggest sin of “this guy” is that he bear-hugged Isaias and tried to normalize him.

            This is in comparison to all who came before him who either called us wenbede (Haile Selasse, Mengistu) or chauvinist people suffering from superiority complex (some within TPLF) or people whose Muslim population, you know, the people who started the Eritrean armed struggle, prioritizes religion over nation (TPLF boss Meles Zenawi.

            I am saying in the grand scheme of things, what PM Abiye has said and done is least offensive.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saay,

            Why are you doing this! You are making me question the clarity of my comments 🙂

            You do not need to repeat what he has done for his country, the promotion of his activities are on a surplus 🙂
            I never compared him to any other leader or in any other situation. I am just reacting and appraising him based on what his reckless activities, in relation to Eritrea, (only to Eritrea) are doing to the Eritreans struggle. That is all.

          • Mez

            Dear Saleh J,

            The change we are witnessing is very profound and at times intense. I assume it is going to force you reassess (your political fundamentals of Eritrea, and the horn) inescapably very soon.

            Thanks

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks Mez,
            My position was not formed based on a hype. If so, I watched similar hypes in the past. Seeking justice is my political fundamentals–what do you want me to change?

            thank you for caring

          • Mez

            Dear Saleh J,

            1) Your core values are crystal clear, and the fundamentals are inherent to all of us. You are on high ground about them.

            2) just to add perspective to my angle of view, official ending of the state of war condition between the two countries is a reason for hope of rule of law and eventual democratic governance. This is a sort of milestone.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            Any truth beyond your hopes? We have seen many hopeful signals but turned to inescapable self-destructions. There is no such tangible and profound changes on the ground in Eritrea or in the Horn . Too soon to judge, but then Eritreans have the audacity for quick judgements. We shall see.

          • Mez

            Greetings Amanuel H,

            Yes indeed, predicting what may politically happen today afternoon or tomorrow is close to impossible.

            The key hometake for now is “the official declaration of peace” by the two nations.

            What will happen next we don’t know. But every one shall contribute and hope for the betterment of our people.

            Thanks

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mez,

            Are you telling us that Dr. Abiy is going to unite the Horn? He may make his nation more developed but he can’t be the champion of Horn at all..Let us wait and see as I use to say from day one..Now he is busy in completing his own aim but he might not complete his duty and may fail just let us give sometime and we will see what direction..

            I might be wrong but I am sure he can’t unite those two nations…Just he is in hurry let our Mafia group,

            KS,,

          • Mez

            Greetings Kokhob S,

            I am not talking about PMAAA per see.

            As you know very well: 1) the war of libration was fought againest Ethiopian annexation policies; that consumed three decades.
            2) the border war 1998-2000 was also another destructive tragedy of our recent past.
            3) the no-peace-no-war state of affairs was also “at least” as destructive as a live war–all social processes were frozen in time back to the years of the boarder war. That for close to 20 years.

            4) the emerging reapproachment and peace seeking activities by the governments on both sides of the Mereb River is indeed never seen in the history of the horn; and as such has to be appreciated, encouraged, and celebrated.
            5) this peace process is in no way antagonistic to the internal dynamics of peoples and communities (in each and every country) to fight for justice, rule of law, and normalcy–rather, in a very short foreseeable future they are going to reinforce each other; to the betterment of the society and private citizens.

            Dear Kokhob, officialy declaring the “state of war is over” is a very very very big milestone for the two countries.

            The future shall belong to all the people, and it shall be molded as we go the peace avenue by every private citizen.

            As usual I am eager to learn from you, ጻጸ, and any one who questions and challenges the status quo fundamentals in an objective way.

            Thanks

          • Hope

            Selam The Salihs:
            What is your point here though?

            Dr Abiy is doing what he supposed to do:
            MEDRMER/Reconciliation,which in its strict sense means :

            -Forgetting and Forgiving -I mean Reconciling!
            You cannot try to reconcile and at the same time create enmity or isolation.

            -Forgiving the Derghi Remnants and welcoming them home does not necessarily mean “ lionizing” them.

            Dr Abiy didn’t isolate the TPLF but he has called the spade a spade .

            Am just amused as to why you are not saying a word about what the TPLF Gang has been threatening Dr Abiy !

            The only thing Dr Abiy is doing is:

            DEFENDING himself legitimately while calling for RECONCILIATION with out singling out any one.

            It is the few TPLF Gang members,who are insisting to isolate themselves,rather than admitting their mistakes and joining the Reconciliation !

            SAAY has a point as to why he called them HANQUELTI .

            And there was and is a REASON as to why I am saying :

            Practise what you PREACH!

            At the end of the day,an Inclusive and Genuine Reconciliation is the INKO Solution ,that includes the PFDJ ,the Derghi Remnants and the “murderers”!

            Time to change our Strategy and the Modus Operandi as an Opposition !

            -Leave the past behind but learn from it

            -Let us reconcile within ourselves and with our brothers and sisters

            -Organize a NEW,United,Stronger Independent ,Neutral and Efficient Opposition and an Eri Watch Dog and Task Force :

            -to monitor the ongoing Peace Process and contribute CONSTRUCTIVELY to make it fruitful rather than belittling the process and making jokes about it and being an obstacle to it.

            -Organize ,Unite,Inform,Educate and empower the Silent Majority through a United Media,Conferences of the Eri Elites,Professionals,Intellectuals Religious Leaders, Activists,etc…

          • saay7

            Haha Abuselah:

            It’s at times like this that I am very grateful we have a highly organized and competent opposition organization that can vocalize our concerns.

            By the way, do you know if you-know-who read his question/statement to Abiy in Los Angeles? I hear it was a fiery one:)

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            Continue your conversation with the H.SGJ, but you should stand corrected on one point: ENN was not a gov media. EBC, Walta and Fana are and they are running end to end to lionize this new man. Even if it was, it should have been judged by what it reported not by whom it was owned.
            Anyways, read the following note from a straight shooter ENN journalist accounting every detail of ENN vs Abiy, and would like to hear your opinion on the matter afterwards.

            “የጠ/ሚንስተሩ ውሸቶች”
            የ ENN ጋዜጠኛ #Bekal_Alamirew እንደፃፈው፦

            ስለ ENN እና ስለ እኔ!
            ይህንን የፃፍኩት ስለጣቢያ የማስረዳትና ዋስትና የመቆም ስልጣን ኑሮኝ ሳይሆን እውነቱን ለማሳወቅ ነው! Enn በተመለከተ ያለው ሀሜትና ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትራችን የተናገሩት ከእውነቱ ይልቅ ለእኔ ለግሌ ውሸትና ተራ ሀሜት ይሆንብኛል፡፡ በክፍያና በአሰራር ዙሪያ ያለውን ነገር እየጠቀሱ ሰራተኛው ሞራል ላይ መረማመድ ለነጋችን ጥሩ አይደለም! እኔ enn. በሙያ ፍቅር የተለከፋ፤ ነፃነት የሚፈልጉ፤ ለሀገርና ለወገን ክብርና መሻሻል የሚተጉ ትንታግ ሰራተኞች የነበሩበት ተቋም ነው፡፡ ተቋሙ ለጋዜጠኛና ለሀሳባችን የሚሰጠን ነፃነት ሀገር ውስጥ ባሉ ሚድያዎች ውስጥ በፍፁም ይኖራል ብለን የማይታሰብ ነው! የምናነሳቸው ጉዳዮችን ከወገናዊነት በማፅዳት ለሀገር እንዲጠቅሙ ማሰብ እጅጉን የሚበረታታበት ቤት ነበር፡፡ በአጭሩ ለሀገር ይጠቅማል የምትለው ነገር ስራ የምባልበት ቤት ነበር! ይህንን የትም ብንሄድ አናገኘውም! ሌሎች ሚዲያዎች ኢትዮጵያ የሚለውን ስም ከፖሊሲያቸው በፋቁበት ዘመን ነበር ስለኢትዮጵያዊነት ሀገራዊ አንድነት፤ ስለ አብር መኖርና ብሔርተኝነትን ስለመዋጋት ያወራና ይዘግብ ነበር! አላማውም ህግና ስርዓት ያለውና የሚያከብር የህዝብ ድምፅ የሆነ ኢትዮጵያዊነትን የሚገነባ ነበር!!እኔ ፋና፤ አዲስ ቲቪ፤ ከመስራቴ ሁሉ በእጅጉ ENN መስራቴ ያስደስተኝና ያኮራኛል ፤መጀመሪያ ላይ ስቀጠር አዲስ ቲቪ ይከፍለኝ ከነበረው ደሞዝ እጅግ ባነሰ ገንዘብ ነው፡፤በሗላም ያንን ሁሉ ስራ እየሰራን የሚከፈለን ከሁሉም ሚዲያ በእጅጉ ያነሰ ነበር፡፡ በተለይ ሪፖርተሮች 5 ሺህ ብር ሁሉ ይከፈላቸው ነቀር! ሌላ ሚዲያ በእኔ ተመሳሳይ ደረጃና የሃላፊነት ቦታ ያለ ጋዜጠኛ ለጥቅማጥቅም ተብሎ የሚሰጠውን የሚያህል ደሞዝ እንኳን አልነበረኝም፡፡ የፕሮግራም ክፍል ሀላፊ እኮ ሌሎች ሚዲያዎች ላይ መኪና፤ ቤት፤ ብዙ ጥቅማጥቅም ይሰጠዋል፡፡ ለእኔ ግን እጄ ላይ የሚደርሰኝ 10 ሺ ብር ነበር! እንዲሁም የግለሰብ መኖሪያ ቤት ተከራይቶ ቢሮ አድርጎ ይሰራ የነበረ ሚዲያ ነው፡፡ ሙሉ ሰራተኛው ጥበቃና ፅዳትን ጨምሮ ከ90 የማይበልጥ ነበር፡፡ ተቋሙ የነበረው መኪና ሁለት ነበሩ! አንድ ባለ አራት መቀመጫ እና አንድ ቪትዝ፡፡ የምንቀሳሰቀሰው በታክሲ ነበር፡፡ ለስራ ወጥተን የሌላ ሚድያ ጋዜጠኞች ለምነን በጋራ የምንመጣበት ጊዜ ነበር! የትኛው መኪናና ነው ለኢኤንኤን ጋዜጠኛች መንፈላሰሻነት የተሰጠው..?
            ሌላው የገንዘብ ምንጩ በእየወሩ ከሚገኘው ስፖንሰር እና የባለቤቶቹ ኪስ ነበር፡፡ ከቤት ኪራዩና ከሙሉ ክፍያው ጋር 7 መቶ ሺ የማይሞላ ከታክስ ውጪ በወሩ ያወጣ ነበር! ጣቢያ የቀጥታ ስርጭቱና የውይይት ዝግጅቱ የመዝናኛ ጉዳዮቹን የአየር ሰዓት ይሸጥ ስለነበር ባለቤቱ ከኪሱ ከማውጣት ይድን ነበር፡፡ እውነትና ሀገርን እንደመውደዳችን መጠን በደስተኛነትና በልዩ ተነሳሽነት እንድንሰራ የነበረን ስንቅና ድጋፍ ጣቢያውን አሳድገንና አላማውን አስፍተን ሀገር ጠቅመን እንድንጠቀም ነበር! ዶክተር አብይ፦ ዜናው የፃፈው የመንግስት ባለስልጣን ነበር ያሉትም ውሸት፤ የዜና ክፍል ሀላፊው ብሩክ ወርቁ የት ሄዶ ነው!? ፤ ከፍተኛ ተከፋይ ያሉትም ከሌሎች ሚዲያዎች እጅግ ዝቅተኛ ክፍያ የሚፈፅም ተቋም ነበር፡፡ ድጋፋ ስፖንሰር ከሆነ ይህ መብት ነው፡፡ እሳቸውስ ለፋና ቲቪና ለebs ፤ ለetv፡ለኦሮሚያ ቲቪ የነበሩባቸው ተቋማት ይደግፋ ነበር አሁንም ይደግፋሉ!ነገር ግን መንግስት ennን የመደጎም ሀላፊነት እንዳለበትም መርሳት የለባቸውም፡፡ስለ enn ውሸት በየቦታው እያወሩ የጋዜጠኞችን ህይወት ማበላሸት ከመሪዬ አልጠብቅም! የጣቢያ ባለቤት ጋ ዶክተር አብይና ደመቀ በእጅጉ የሚቀራረቡ ስለሆነ ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትራችን ሲዋሹ ደስ አይልም! የenn ባለቤቶችና ስራ አስኪያጆች በዘር፤በብሄር ከታሰበ ለዶክተር አብይ ይቀርባሉ! ጣቢያው የተዘጋ በእሳቸው አመራሮች መረጃ እንዳይሰጠን ስለተከለከልና የእሳቸው ወሬ በራስ ካሜራ አስቀርፆ ቆራርጦ አስተላልፋ እያሉ የሚልኩትን የመረጃ አፈናና ሌሎች የማይገቡ የመንጋ አካሂዶችን ስለምንቃወምና ለዚህ አሰራረም ስለማንመችም ጭምር ነው፡፡ ጣቢያው ኢህአዴግና ካድሪዎቹ በደንብ የሚያውቁትና የሚፈሩት በስራው ነው፡፡ግብር ከፍሎ ከመንግስ ስፖንሰር በህጉ መሰረት ከተደረገለት ችግሩስ ምንድነው..!? enn ከesat ጋ ማወዳደረስ ጤነኛኀት ነው..? ከጠቅላይ ሚኒስት አብይ አህመድ ለምን ነቀፋችሁን ከሚል ተራ ጥላቻ የእኛን ህይወት ከሚያበላሹ በመረጃ ህጋዊ እርምጃ መውሰድ አይችሉምን..?

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Mea culpa! First let me blame myself quickly and then pivot quickly to blaming Eyob: remember last year he was haranguing us and selling the ENN logo which is an exact copy bears some resemblance to the CNN logo.

            So, if it’s not a government media, why was PM abiy bragging in DC about shutting them down because they had overpaid executives? Were they subsidized by the gov? If they are a private company, why is it his business how much they make and what kind of cars they drive?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            (Sigh)..When did you become a spinner? PM Abiy did not say, ENN was shut down, because they had highly paid executive. He said that they were voices of individual high government officials and these certain officials allocate them funds out of government coffers and let them use government owned cars. The government simply cut off that privilege and they went out of business. (Wink wink)..

            About them being a “private enterprise” I know you know damn well they are not. Your “friend” Ben was just a front. Not only them Zami, Horn affairs had some other ones have “owners” who happen to be gov. Officials, who also set up some “think thanks” (Wink wink again)

            I also know you know that I hated ENN from inception and it’s logo. I had a big rant here about their part of fanning ethnic conflicts…They are horrible terrible no good lot…good riddance

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Ok, but that’s the only way to get you to participate at awate: by tagging you.

            Of course it wasn’t you who complimented the logo, it was Amde. They came up when they (out of the blue) started discussing “The Red Sea” just to put a hot potato on the new PM. Halafi Mengedi (our thoughts and prayers) had been pushing that for some reason and we said, oh, well. At the time, I thought it was a government media and people corrected me and I looked it up in wikipedia and it said, “ENN is owned by ENN.” So there, case settled.

            So, my old frenemy Ben from “Ethiopia First”, the guy who was celebrating the air raids on Eritrea is behind it? I could be wrong but I thought I heard PM Abiy mentioning that he shut it down without anyone asking him what happened to it.

            The backgrounder info you provided (and all the winks) are revealing. Any other winks or insights? Here’s one: PM Abiy is very (VERY) comfortable with religious folks (Tewahdo, Muslims and obviously Pentecostals.) But, from the Q & A, it became clear to me that he gets no joy in that, which explains why he is yet to have a press conference with real journalists.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Ok..Thank you for the nudging.. 🙂 So your “frenemy” Ben is one of the “Board” members of ENN..and of course Zami (The radio station you that “informed” you with a nice የፍየል ወጠጤ song that Eritrea was bombed along with former VOA Amharic journalist and Ethiopian version of Ann Coulter (provocator) Mimi Sibhatu. They had a free reign in Ethiopia in terms of media financial muscle, while they had very very very few advertisors. So, Abiy wanted to talk about them unprompted, because he wanted to make 2 points. 1)That these outlets have been source of division and at times violence among people by being provocators doing a bid of certain government officials and party affiliates. 2) He wanted to say that era was over.

            Now, my take.

            I slightly disagree with the #2 point he wanted to get across. While I am awed and amazed by the change of attitude and relative freedom of government owned media like ETV, ATV, STV OBS, Fana….I see other outlets replacing ENN. LTV a supposedly religious station also doing news and some political commentary owned by a well known pastor and psychiatrist started to sound mouthpieces of the PM and co-PM)…Oh by the way, we have a co-PM. Sorry I didn’t tell you about that. We ourselves learned it just this weekend. OMN (Jawar Mohammed) ESAT (freely now operating in Ethiopia sharing footages with ETV & Fana) seem also to be inching uncomfortablly very close to the PM and co-PM. (I hope this will be just for the honeymoon. Not forever)

            About PM not liking taking questions. It seems that way. Folks pretty close to him confirm that. You know who often talk to journalists? The co-PM… I guess he is our next chance to ask what the PM thinks about stuff.. 🙂

          • Abi

            Saay
            One more insight
            Did you know Halafi Mengedi( recently) and Passerby ( years ago) are/were the same person? Add to that ” Pass the Salt” and you get three in one.
            That is a bargain:)
            I enjoyed reading all of them.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Saay,

          “Derg defeat Derg” should only come from Derg sympathizers. The PM said it, in an attempt to bring the Derg remnants and their supporters in to the loop of his power base. The OLF, the would be his power base will collide with him, just let See how it will unfold. OLF was fighting to liberate the Oromo people from the oppressive Derg. The concept “Derg defeat Derg” will widen their differences.The Oromia power base will be divided between the two, and will open the power gate to the Amaras. The cycle of power will be told as “Power lost power regained”. So just count my word that concept will not help the PM to retain his power. According his concept could he logically say “TPLF defeat TPLF”, for a defeat is a defeat, be it politically and militarily. Actually, he could make another PhD dissertation taking as thesis that any “defeat is a self defeat” as new a phenomenon in political philosophy.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Although you meant it as ridicule, I think I like your budding philosophy “defeat is self defeat.” Can I call it Amanism? Remember, “Big Bang” was a term invented by a scientist to ridicule the term and now it is bedrock of astronomy.

            Related to that, there was a reggae song by a local band “Inka Inka” called “any nation”. My favorite lyrics from that song “a war against any nation is still a civil war.” You like?

            So let’s summarize what we have learned today:

            Derg defeated Derg
            All defeats are self-defeats
            All wars are civil wars

            Remember when people were blaming Ethiopia for the mess of the opposition you used to say no let’s not externalize? That is a version of “all defeats are self-defeats.”

            Abi, would you agree that all goals are self-goals as seen from the losing side? Thank you in advance for seeing it my way.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            The pm just called people with ur kind of argument ” kezenam” , it is not my word but 3A himself.
            i haven’t seen the main player eplf barg about it much ,even though tplf’s contribution was so little for pushing the already self defeated derg, why is that u tplfist brag about it 24/ 7 ? I think 3A is right, even though his choice of word is not comfortable but he is right when he said “kezenam”. U can listen to it in his Q and A session in Minnesota.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Abu Salah,
        Do not expect the Amaras to recognize the sacrifice of Eritreans and Tigrians to defeat the Derg. Watch out who is coming to power behind the curtain on the coming elections.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Aman H,

          Who sacrificed or struggled to defeat the Derg did not concern the power base of the imperial regime since its goal had not relation with restoration of the lost shared leadership between the elite classes represented in landed gentry and the Orthodox Church establishment under the absolute supremacy of the crown. As is known, the mainstream of this power and wealth relations had rested in Habesha cultural-traditional set up.The remnants of the feudo-imperial order, thus, oppose any governance system that do not rest in determinants of Etiopiawinet: language, culture, territorial unity etc. Federalism for them is fateful antithesis of etiopiawinet.

          Now, the elitist proponents of these goups pin hope in Abiy-Lemma’s slogan of “medemer”; they hope it could embody their ideological persuasions under the idea of etiopiawinet, which Abij and Lemma also insistently raise as suitable preposition to sell their leadership though they have not yet given signals to forge it beyond the limits of public relations rhetoric. The commendable steps Dr. Abij has taken on behalf of the EPRDF (release of prisoners, conciliatory gestures etc.) fall in the political necessities of the ruling coalition and have nothing to do with what could develop to substance of “medemer” as governing political-management platform.

          As to chances of the proponents of the ancien regime coming to power in next election, some parties could gain some footholds in parliament. But given also the emergence of new and outsider forces with roots in broad rural constituencies such as the OLF, the political landscape could be encumbered to preclude domination of one party as Dr. Abiy has wished (wants no more than six parties) in one of his talks in USA. In fact, the next election could produce an Ethiopia of coalition land like The Netherlands. Under existing circumstances, thus, re-emergence of conditions that could allow restoration of vestiges of the old era political-social relations appear to be remote or imaginably impossible.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Memhir,

        I am so sorry I don’t have anything useful to say, but I want you to know that Hayata + SGJ against the world – Saay is a fair match!

  • Nitricc

    Congregations Eritrea!!! After all up and downs, all the misery it seems the future is bright and the toothless sanction is lifted. Although, thanks for PMAA’s help in lifting the sanction, PMAA accepted the agreement, PIA agreed to make the peace = sanction lifted. however, I appreciate and admire the steadfastness, persistence and determination of the people and government of Eritrea. You gave us a life time lesson how stand and persist for what is right and for what you believe in. Thanks and congratulations!!!

    • Blink

      Dear Nitricc
      Still the sanction is not lifted . It is still in the process and Djibouti is putting her eggs with some Eritrean sanction lunatics to help bring new accusations. Do you remember the first post in this site about the sanction, do you remember something like Gold for food ( bisha) just like oil for food of the Iraqi people.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Blink; it is a done deal or should I say Game-Over!

        • Blink

          Dear Nitricc
          I just heard the Sweden guy talking . Any way it is good this sanction goes off . Do you remember the old times about this issue? I hope the guys who lost sleep to put sanction take a moment and see their words now after 11 years long time from the time of state sponsor for terrorism.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei,Nitricc.
      Congra all Eritrea.
      The sanction is already lifted the day woyane is removed from addis or Ethiopia thanks for the youths of Oromia and Amhara plus the hundred thousands who sacrificed before them.

      Nitricc, what do you think the Eritrean government reply when tplf sends a delegation on joining forces to control Ethiopia?

      I think the Eritrean government says to the tplf deligation ”Try to take out your scull through your mouth by pulling your mouth inside out all over your face”. When tplf finished the quiz the government says to tplf that you are control freak and you do what ever to get contorll other’s wealth so get lost.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam All, the Eritrean website erena dot org is reporting that the Ethiopian general who was responsible for co-ordinating Eritrean opposition groups in Ethiopia, general Mesfin Amare, has visited Asmara last week. The report doesn’t specify the objective of his visit nor with which Eritrean officials he met. I think this kind of news should ring the bells of warning to our compatriots who have been struggling against the dia regime from Ethiopia. Taking into account the surprising speed at which relations between the Eritrean despot and the Abiy gov have developed, we must be cautious as to the next steps of the Ethiopian gov. All justice seekers around the world, governments and human rights organizations should follow the situation closely, and make sure that the Eritrean opposition figures in Ethiopia do not come in harm’s way.

    • Selam Abraham H.,

      What if the aim of the general’s visit to asmara is to discuss the possibility of the return of the opposition to eritrea, as part of the measures the eritrean regime may be forced to take in the near future?

      Up to now the pfdj regime has not shown that it has changed. Do you think that the last peace deal and all the rest did not affect the regime in any way, and things are to remain as they are, whether peace comes or not, and economic integration takes place or not?

      Is it possible for ethiopia to continue to cooperate with a dictatorial regime that continues to keep its people in prison for no reason, while pm Abiy declares right and left that democracy is his bet not only for ethiopia, but…? If he does nothing, that makes PMAA a complicit.

      Do you believe that ethiopia will handcuff them and give them over to the eritrean regime to be thrown in prison?

      • David Samson

        Selam Horizon,
        I do not know the new IA, but the old one does not request anything, but works by threat and blackmail. Since he appears to be so weak, he might now politely request for the Ethiopia government to remove the opposition from Ethiopia. I will not surprised if EG agrees to his request.

        Take my word: the opposition will never voluntarily return to Eritrea as this mounts to suicide.

    • Blink

      Dear Abraham
      The only thing we can do is help them get some save places or some kind of settlement with the Ethiopian government. The military wing is all but finished unless they get out quickly before Semere got hold on to some documents. The guy is known and with a life long experiences of such things. The Islamists has to go to May be to Djibouti because Sudan is not save at any time. Again who in his right mind do you think will assume Issaias to negotiate with these in Ethiopia? Only mad one .

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Blink, considering the way dia has morphed through the decades into someone with absolute power over everyone and everything in Eritrea; he will never negotiate with any Eritrean, let alone, an opposition he doesn’t recognize even of its existence. Have you in any way seen dia negotiate even with his own organization-the pfdj through the years? The only existing political power centers in Eritrea were the pfdj central council and the Eritrean parliament. Last time the pfdj had its congress was in 1994, where the old eplf was thown to dust bin, and a new breed of totally dia controlled pfdj emerged, last ltime its cc met was in 2001. The last time the Eritrean parliament convened was when it discussed a verdict of ‘treason’ on the G15 in 2002.

        • guest

          Hi Abraham

          Tell your buddies to quietly merge with the Kunama and Red Sea Afar Liberation Movements to which TPLF will most likely provide a safe heaven.

          • Blink

            Dear guest
            What are they going to do? I mean add them all and put a lush face on and then you will find a crooked smile. Once Massawa port is open for Tigray, they just can’t resist to say “ eshi ayte Issaias bebey yihaysh” . The only choice for Kerenolos is to run before his blood drop. Run by the miles and use air plan .Let’s see how the payed Opposition help with safe heaven because the dictator will certainly send Semere with a mission.

  • said

    Selam
    Aman and alike ,
    I do know what you know about Islam for that matter about Muslim people by extension generally speaking as your neighbour next to you were you where raised and where ever you live you will find one and you seem to be very ignorant and hostile .let me just introduce you as reported a well known personality Garry Wills ,he may educate you and brooder your knowledge about Islam. Garry Wills is an author and historian, and a frequent contributor to the New York Review of Books. In 1993, he won a Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction for his book Lincoln at Gettysburg. Garry Wills has spent a lifetime thinking and writing about Christianity America’s leading religious scholar and public intellectual introduces lay readers to the Qur’an with a measured, powerful reading of the ancient text
    As with many sacred books, the Qur’an has been subject to centuries of interpretations and assertions. To discover what it really says, the first step is to read the text carefully. Wills has done just that, and his meticulous analysis clears away the accumulated distortions that have led to misunderstandings on questions ranging from the Islamic stand on religious war to the requirements that women wear veils. By comparing the Qur’an to the Bible, Wills, who studied for the priesthood before becoming a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and writer on politics and religion, finds many parallels between the texts, including rich passages that offer multiple meanings. His scholarly, open-minded approach invites people of all faiths to engage with this rich and inspiring text.
    In What the Qur’an Meant, Wills invites readers to join him as he embarks on a timely and necessary reconsideration of the Qur’an, leading us through perplexing passages with insight and erudition. What does the Qur’an actually say about veiling women? Does it justify religious war?
    There was a time when ordinary Americans did not have to know much about Islam. That is no longer the case. We blundered into the longest war in our history without knowing basic facts about the Islamic civilization with which we were dealing. We are constantly fed false information about Islam—claims that it is essentially a religion of violence, that its sacred book is a handbook for fanatic . There is no way to assess these claims unless we have at least some knowledge of the Qur’an.
    In this book Wills, What the Qur’an Meant: And Why It Matters as a non-Muslim with an open mind, reads the Qur’an with sympathy but with rigor, trying to discover why other non-Muslims—such as Pope Francis—find it an inspiring book, worthy to guide people down through the centuries. There are many traditions that add to and distort and blunt the actual words of the text. What Wills does resembles the work of art restorers who clean away accumulated layers of dust to find the original meaning. He compares the Qur’an with other sacred books, the Old Testament and the New Testament, to show many parallels between them. There are also parallel difficulties of interpretation, which call for patient exploration—and which offer some thrills of discovery. What the Qur’an Meant is the opening of a conversation on one of the world’s most practiced religions. I am requesting Awate to make exception for the link
    Garry Wills
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulK5re6b52g

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Said,

      I hope you are not addressing this comment to me. Do you? I am not hostile to Islam.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Amanuel H.,

        It is highly likely that it is addressed to AMAN (who says Greetings All Shalom !).

        • said

          Selam SK
          you guessed it right It was addressed to AMAN

      • said

        Selam AH
        You are one of the most objective person at await forum, you may not be religious inclined person but far away from many Bigoted , islamophobia and Hate or war mongers .we Eritrean particularly feel an overwhelming sadness as we experienced and consider the far-reaching and devastating impact that the Eritrea war has had on our country and also the region and its peoples. this weakened and fractured Eritrea . As our region descended into multiple new crises and wars. At this point, one can only imagine what our region horn of Africa and would be Eritrea if Thirty one year of struggle was solve peacefully, we had not engaged in war of liberation . Ethiopia might still be struggling against their own dictator and may be us to , but hundreds of thousand would not have died and their society would not have been destroyed.

      • said

        Selam AH
        It was addressed to AMAN,i forget to put his name

        • AMAN

          Hello
          Oh is it addresed to me ?
          Are you repeating your ignorance or want to repeat it again ?
          Anyways i will be right back soon .

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam said,

      There is a saying that is attributed to the great Charles Darwin. It goes as follows:

      A Mathematician is a Blind Man in a Dark Room Looking for a Black Cat That Is Not There.

      But, Mathematics is a very fertile and productive subject which is the bedrock of Science and the Thinking and Problem Solving Approach of Mathematicians is exemplary. Without Mathematics, human beings would still be crawling in mud inside caves.

      I would like to take this opportunity to substitute the phrase “Religious Speculation” for the word “Mathematician” in the above. What do you think?

    • Blink

      Dear Said
      Old Testament, Qur’an and New Testament all books have one common traits and that is hampering of reason , that’s what the writer you try to put up on sky missed telling the world. Christianity has crushed millions of kids from their own dream in order to serve the priests and that still have immense power of many poor people from 1AD up to 20th century. Now what is Islam aspirations? Mention one reason a kid has to read Qur’An in order for him to elevate his life in this world ? Mention any good the kids has to look for? The Islamists school of modern society is a failure that has its roots deep in to Islam and you trace this kind on every single country with Muslims in the majority.The evidence to date from Iran to Sudan supports Islamists in power are far from finding solutions to the social and economic problems of their peoples. The aspirations of such can not be a good sign for you to tow this dream you have in your head. Islamic political parties all fail to serve their people based on their Qur’Anic definitions .

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei, Girmay.
    Hmmm, tplf and their supporters are Tigrians. Since all tplf members are tigrians we can not about tplf so that we dont spread hate. I told you, you are genius. Ok we assume tplf is an object. And we Ethiopians hate it. Tigrians love it.

  • Blink

    Dear Ghirmay
    What You are asking Mitiku is “ stop exposing TPLG crime “ is not this by itself making you just a cadre for weyane ? I mean TPLF were not only looting the Tigrians they were also looting killing other Ethiopians , that my friend you need to learn the mistakes you guys did . I have seen many wetland quasi political activists defending weyane by the way this defense is done only to hide the crime not to free the Tigrians . There some losers from Eritreans who were in bed with weyane for the last 27 years and here now they cry pls leave them .weyane killled over 10,000 young Ethiopians and yet you guys wanted to dump this horrible stories because Abiy said Fikir yashenifal .

    • Girmay

      Blink and Mitku are the same person. So I will answer to blink. Blink whose eyes never blink at Eritrean suffering visits writes hate message toward Tigreans by pretending Ethiopian and Eritrean.
      Ok you said Tplf committed 10,000 genocide. But why didnt you add more zeros like 10,000,000.
      I think the more you lie the more stars you get to be the general of Eritrean diaspora gola or dance festival .
      I mean after all I think that Hegdef festival should be considered political parties . Germany Eritrean festival verses USA Eritrean festival.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei, Girmay.
        I am not surprised. It is what you have done for 27 years how you use different names to do what ever to steal others wealth. But what I, people like Blink, Ethiopians, Eritreans trying to tell you dont your infiriority complex spoil for you. You can get all you have looted by working in Ethiopipa and Eritrea just like the rest of us. instead of all this dubious plans. Why in the hell i need to use different names just to tell what you people have done against innocent peoples of EThiopia, Eritrea, Somalia and South Sudan.

        Why in the first place changing the tone from ”We all are woyanes, We all are Tplf’s”. You were proud of how tplf killed, loot. Keep on doing what ever you think it is good for tplf. You are not allowed to kill people in Ethiopia doesnt mean the end of the world. You can dance in your killil how your tplf ‘ginously’ plan all non tigre peoples fight one another while you built Tigray Empire’.

        But what you see in Ethiopia and all over you can find Ethiopians is real. That much your tplf has done agains tour people. If you think we dont deserve this happiness get lost. We do care about our people. When we mention Tigray not because we are afraid you invade us but we are hopping Tigray people renounce like the rest of us the atrocity made by tplf for the last years.

        PS we dont use tplf system. We use honesty, peace, unity, apology, happiness concept/words which disappear with you tplfites. .

  • Kbrom

    ዝኸበርካ ማሕሙዳይ ሰብ መዚ መርበብ ዓዋተ፡ ኣብቲ ዝጀመርናዮ ሓብል ዘተ (discussion thread) በቲኾምና ኣለዉ እሞ ምስናይ ይቕሬታ ኣብዚ ክምልስ ተገዲደ ኣለኹ።

    ትኽ ብትኽ ብሕቶ መልክዕ ዘቕረብክ’ሞ ንጹር መልሲ ዝጽበየሉ ዝነበርኩ ነጥብታት ኣይመለስካለይን፡ ብመሰረቱ ፍልልይና ኣብኡን ንዕኡ ስዒቡ ዝመጽእ ምብህሃልን ስለዝርከብ ኣብ ሽንፍላ ናይቶም ሕቶታት ተሾጊጦም ዘለዉ መልስታት ከይጸፈዩ ካልእ ምጉት ምቕጻል ኣይመርጽን።

    ቅልውላዋት ኣንቢበዮ፡ ፍልልያትና ኣዚዩ ገፊሕ ስለዝኾነ ነቶም ዓነቀጻት ክትንክፎም ኣይመረጽኩን። ብሓደ ቃል ኪገልጾ እንተኾይነ ግን እቶም ዓንቀጻት ጓሳን መሳዕብን ኮይኖምኒ፡ ምኽንያቱ ጠንቂ ጎሲዩ ሳዕቤን፡ ሕማም ገዲፉ ምልክታት ሕማም ፡ መሰረት ገዲፉ ጋል ነገር፡ ማዓልቦ ገዲፉ መንገዲ ዝሸፈነ ኢዩ። ብፍላይ እቲ ቀዳማይ ክፋል፡ ማእከሉ ስለምንታይ ኩናትን ሰላምን ዝውስን ሉዓላዊ ሃገራዊ ጉዳያት ብዘይ ሕጋዊ ባይቶኣዊ ይፍጸም ኣሎ፡ እንተወሓደ መንግስታዊን ውድባዊን ተዋስኦ ዘለዎ ዘይከውን፡ ክቡር ፕረዚደንት ኢሳያስ ኣፍወርቂ በይነኣዊ ውሳነታት ኪወስድ የብሉን ዝብልን ንልዕልና ህዝብን ቅዋማዊ ወይ ትካላዊ ኣሰራርሓ ዝጸውዕንኣብ ክንዲ ዝኸውን እቲ ብዘይሕጋዊ መንገዲ ዝውሰድ ዘሎ ውሳነታት እንተዝሕበረና ዝብል ክፋሉ ይበዝሕ። ዝርዝራቱ ብዝምልከት ብንርእይቶ ዓዲምካዮ ብዘሎኻ መሰረት፡ ኣብ ናይ ብሕቲ ሳንዱቕ መልእኽትኻ ክልእከልካ እመርጽ።

    ከም ንኡስ ሓወይ ምናልባት እውን ወደይ ክሕብረካ ዝግባኣኒ ግን በቲ ጽሑፍ ዘይተሓጎሱ ብርክት ዝበሉ ሙኻኖም ኢዩ፡ ርግጸኛ ኢየ በቲ ጽሑፍ ኣዚዮም ብዙሓት ሰባት ሕጉሳት ሙኻኖም። እቲ ይኹን እቲ ልዕሊ ኩሉ ዘገድስ ግን እቲ እትኣምነሉን ቅኑዕ ኮይኑ ዝስመዓካን ሓሳባት ምቕራብካ ኢዩ – እኳ ደኣስ ብኣዚዩ መሳጢ ኣቀራርባ።

    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it. እንዲያ ኣብ መንጎና ጠፊኣ ዘላ ፡ጽሑፈት በታ ብህሎ ኣኽሪረ ክዛዝሞ ደስ ይብለኒ እነሆ!

    ምስቲ ዘቕረብካዮ ጽሑፍ ብመሰረቱ ኣይሰማምዕን እየ፡ የግዳስ እቲ እትኣምነሉ ንኽትብልን ክትጽሕፍንሲ ክሳብ ሞት እውን ብምኻድ ንኽትብሎ ኪኸላከለልካ ቃል እኣቱ።

    ሰናይ ሰኑይ የውዕለና!

    • Ismail AA

      ሰላም ክብሮማይ፣

      እዚ ምስ ሓውና ማሕሙድ ዝተለዋወጥካዮ ነጥብታት ዕግበት ምስ ልቦና ተወሃሂዱ ዝቀረበ ርእይቶታት ዝልግስ ምዃኑ መዚነዮ። ኣንቢብካን መዚንካንከ እንታይ ፍይዳ ገርካ ኢልካ ከይተሓምየኒ፣ ኣብ መንጎ ክልተኹም ዝተራእየኒ ፍልልይ ዝኾነ ዕዳ እንተመጸ ይምጻእ ኢሉ ነዚ ዘሎ ስርዓት ኮኒኑ ምተካእታ ክናደየሉ ሓላል ምዃኑ ዝምጉት ብኣኻ ሸነኽ፣ ብሓውና ማሕሙድ ሸነኽ ድማ ዘሎ ስርዓት ተቀቢሉ፡ ሓለፍቲ ክገብርዎ ዝሓስቡ ጉዳያት ሳዕበናቱ ብዘይገድስ ብዝርእዮዎ ኣገባብ ዘገም እሎም እንተሓቢሮምውን ጸጋ እዩ ኢሉ መርገጽ ዝወሰነን እዩ። ኣብ መንጎ እዚ ክልተ ተጻራሪ መርገጻት ዘሎ ጋግ ዝኾነ ይኹን ምጉት ዘጽብቦ ኮይኑ ኣይረኣየንን። ዝተባህለ እንተ ተባህለ ናይ ጭዋታት መጉት ኮይኑ ምትራፉ ምርኣዩ ኣየጸግምን። ኣብ መጨርሻ ወይ ናይ ፍጡራት ዕጫ ሞት፣ ወይውን እቲ ናይ ፍርዲ መሰል ዝውንን ሕዝቢ መዕለቢ እንተዘይገሩሉ ጉዳይ ከምዘለዎ ይቅጽል። እሞ ህዝቢ ፍርዱ ክውስንን ከተግብርን ብኸመይ ይኽእል ዝብል ኣደራዕዩ ጸገም ኮይኑ ዘሎ። በዚ ድማ ነብስና ነብስማትና ዛጊት ንውቀሰሉን ዝፈሸልናሉን ዕዳ ምዃኑ ይርኣየኒ።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ኢስማዒሎ,

        ከምቲ ዝበልካዮ ናይ ክብሮምን ማሕሙዳይን ክልተ
        ተቀራኒ ሓሳባት ኣብ ዓውዲ ሓፋሽ ወሪዶም: ብኽትዕ መልክዕ ክዋደቁን: እቲ ንጥቅሚ ሓፋሽ ዝዓለመ ሲዒሩ ከይወጸ: እዚ ዘለናዮ መድረኽ ካልእ መዋጽኦ የብሉን:: እቲ ከርሲ መፋላልየኦም ከአ አብ መንጎ “ሕጊ ይንገስ በሃላይን” አብ መንጎ “መንግስቲ ኩሉ ነገር’ዩ በሃላይን” ከምዝኾነ: አባላት ናይዚ ዓውዲ ክትዕ ብጽሞና ክርድእዎ ይግባእ:: ምኽንያቱ ልዓት ክትዓት ከይተታሕዘ ዝግበር ናይ ሓሳባት ምጥምጣማት የለን:: እቲ አብ መንጎ ደገፍቲ እቲ ስርዓትን ተቃውሞን ዘሎ ናይ “ዓይነታዊ መንግስቲ” ፍልልያት ከምዝኾነ ኸአ ነብሲ ወከፍና ክንርድኦ ይግባእ:: ስለዚ ህዝቢ አየናይ ዓይነት መንግስቲ መሰሉን ክብርታቱን ይሕልወሉ ምልላይ ይግበኦ:: ብኡ መጠን ከአ ቃልሱ ይውድንን ይዋደቅን:: አይመስለካን ኢስማዒሎ?

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei All
    What brought this change?
    Why has it consumed so many lives?
    What was Eritrea’s positive and negative rolls in the last at least 27 years?
    Why it has taken 27 years?

    In the beginning the struggle was between the new ideology of EPRDF and the opponents. Even if the face value of EPRDF was compatible with the mass the eprdf stand on Eritrea and self determination made eprdf to star with wrong foot. The woyanes revengefulness couldnt help eprdf either.

    But still the opponents meant the language or ethnic based federalism is the script for disintegrating Ethiopia. Eprdf meant the exact opposite. .

    But ptlf has neither of the above. Its goal is to dismantle any national front or party into ethnic based and tplf rule each one of them through eprdf and build the republic of Tigray and declare independence. But 27 years was not enough. It was marriret even for them who butcher the mass.

    If they were not Ethiopians this is one of the greaest political play a hand full of minority spinning 100 million peoples. Oh, they are ingenious they were not Ethiopians when they started. They have done every thing like they were not Ethiopians. They can not continue as Ethiopians if they dont change the ideology. That happened when EPRDF liberated itself from tplf..

    What is now for eprdf? Eprdf tries to include all the ethnic groups not like before only four of them. The opponents will continue with what ever agenda they have. But all of us watch full from tplf to poison our revolution.

    The badme project was tplf / the tigray republic to have its own sea access. I guarantee you if you were from Brazil and you read this story you love Tigrians Republic. Who dont dare dont win.

  • AMAN

    Greetings All
    >
    Shalom !
    >
    Dear AT
    The new millenium Global political thinking is on the side of the US and its long held democratic tradition especially the one that is advocated by the Republican party and that
    party’s politicians if it is analysed deeper.
    Islam and the politicians of the Islamic world are bringing nothing new though they pretend as such to the democratic and republican thinking and tradition of the US. It is nothing new that the US didn’t either know as an idea or practiced in its politics before and now.
    Instead, it is only revision and duplication of US political ideas and tradition in an attempt to clone or colonize it as if new and ptetend to look like an owner (plagiarism at its best ) if possible or to reinvent or modify it and its meaning ( tailoring and sewing ) to suit to myopic world view & ideas of a smaller
    personalities and smaller and powerless nations of that part of the world.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    A prayer a good and diligent participant in this forum does, when they get overwhelmed by ideas and details informed and erudite writers provide, is to be blessed by a power to ask sensible questions, and not mess up by throwing unbaked things just for the sake of it. I have just read great inputs under this new thread starting from Beyan, Fanti and Tedla, and did I forget the “master key” intellectual by the name saay7. That will unforgivable sin.

    The discussion has covered a lot of ground in politics and economy. This is crucial. Politics without forward looking economic outlook crystallized in feasible plan would be bogged down in the public relations phase, and fail to serve the needs of society. Hence, my rationale to raise the following question:

    Understanding that an economy becomes productive and self sustaining when the exports and imports positively counter balance one another in an environment of healthy consumptions markets (goods and services) how far has Ethiopia come in tapping the key potential it has in the past decades that cover the Derg and EPRDF eras? I am aware of the points raised, but if we were to make a balance sheet based on neutral and utilitarian assessment, has the situation for the peasant in Gojjam and Wollo, not speak of the peasants in Borona, changed. My thoughts are focused on the truism that Ethiopia’s export economy based on use of land and what the peasant is empowered to produce for survival and surplus for purpose feeding other sectors -industry. ( am addressing Fanti/Tedla and saay7 as vigilant observer.

    With many thanks in advance. By the way, if the question is found to be stupid, then be free to ignore it and wast no minute on it.

    • Beyan

      Dear Ismail,

      I haven’t even done the homework of watching the second clip that Sal Y. kindly assigned, here is your input that one has no choice but to respond to, because you have this compelling way of inviting for an input. I wanted to be the spectator and learn from Tedla, Sal Y., Fanti, Horizon, etc., like you. I am going to reread each entry so far for good measure. Suffice it, however, to mention that the question of the health of a nation is measured, by and large, how good its economy is. A good friend was telling me just last night during a long walk that we regularly do, albeit once a week, this: That Ethiopia, with its behemoth population brings, I think he said about four million people to the workforce every years. It barely manages to create jobs about 800K to 900K. About the size of our population immigrates to different parts of the world. So, the economic prospect will be critically important for PM Abiy to be in front of.

      The urging of Ethiopians to return home, PM Abiy certainly knows they will create jobs of all sorts. As Horizon alluded to it, these aging politicians will not be a threat to the nation or they are no match to the savvy and relentlessly energetic younger generation like Abiy Ahmed and Lemma Megersa. You’ve heard how close these two leaders are when the PM referred to him as someone who ትናንት በግልጽ ዛሬ በሚስጥር የሚመራኝ, talk about a politician showing humility. Can you imagine, our aging Nsu saying something like that to younger Eritrean leaders, not in a million years, eh. But, he had no problem saying that to the young and vibrant foreign leader. In fact, it is my contention, were our Nsu to open up the political space to others back in 1997, they would’ve made him look so good by comparison, he would still have been a leader of the Eritrea, perhaps, minus the devastating war, but I digressed.

      So, it is my estimate, the PM’s open arms to embrace these opposition political groups to come home and participate has no sinister ploy other than they will end creating jobs for the country and they will be good to poke fun of when things begin to heat up politically. Can you imagine him going in every part of the country without any effort while the aging politicians will be confined to Addis to deliver their political goods. Political economy seems to be the motivating force. Whatever the reason, the PM is big enough, humble enough to lure Ethiopians in diaspora to come home to serve. This, by the way, is one difference between Ethiopians and Eritreans. The former always struck me having that individualism spirit unlike the latter who tend to think operate in collective or group-think. So, that might be the challenge for the PM as he tries to lure these Ethiopian politicians and professionals and/or both.

      • Amde

        Selam Beyan,

        I think you have the substance of the problem Abiy faces.

        50% of Ethiopia’s population is under 20. That is 50 million people.

        Close to 30 mln is under 10. That is 30 mln souls.

        I think Dr. Abiy said something like 30mln plus Ethiopians are within the educational system.

        I guess when he looks at such numbers, Derg/Nationalism/Ethnicity/EPRP/Atsewoch/Oromumma/Tewahdo…etc become problems that offer to be giant sucks of his time and energy offering little in return.

        What is interesting is that he is trying to flip the script, i.e. use the population size as an asset. Thus he is developing “Social Capital” as a framework for these ideas.

        Amde

        • Hayat Adem

          The Great Amde,
          1) Ethiopia needs a unifying leader of all or the most. Is Abiy that leader? Not at all. He thinks he can make Ethiopia out of only the Oromo and the Amhara. That is so hard as there are obvious groups who can be more Amhara than him and more Oromo than him.
          2) Ethiopia needs a leader who can lead her to more inclusive justice and development. That was the deficit and the grievance that brought him to power. But is he the kind of leader who can deliver on that front? Nope. The start of justice is with being very balanced and honest as a leadership personality. Developement, on the other hand, in a poor country is very tricky. Making it inclusive is more so. If I was Abiy, I would at least start it with an ideological and directional clarity. Medemer is hardly one. Eprdf used to have one. Abiy is a chairman of the front without having to adhere to its ideology. A wierd representation of a party!
          3) Ethiopia needs a leader who leads it to a higher order of democracy and strict constitutional system. This is harder to achieve even when you are so collected, principled and consistent let alone when you are just nomading wildlu with politics.
          4) Ethiopia needs a leader who navigate her to a higher ladder of a geoplitical command. Abiy is not even promoting and guarding the one very popular project of GERD, forget him coming with new strategies plans of his own on that front.
          5) What social capital are you talking about? You are heading to a clear and an inevitable disaster if this man’s juvenile game is not cut short.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; I think you guys, Ethiopians better take it easy. I was discombobulated when brave Lemma Megersa brought the dagger. He said “a nation cannot be built by illiterates” we all know that but he doesn’t have to say it lol.
            I don’t know where you guys heading but I have a solution you don’t like but that is the only way out. Bring TPDM and substitute TPLF in Tigray, then the people of Tigray can be free from TPLF’s hostage. Once that is done, build the nation as one. You have 50 flags and two major governments in one country, one with guns and the other with economy. Interesting!!!

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Nitricc!!

            No thanks. We make sure Tigrians decide on tplf. Or tplf can decide on them. We sit and wait with peace and love. My best advise for both of them is to declare independence. I hope this time eplf wont oppose. For us it is good experience how article 37 works by its inventors.

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat,

            I don’t know what you mean by juvenile. I mean objectively speaking, in the four months he has been here what “juvenile” thing has he done? He has emptied the prisons and hugged political rivals – not bad on the justice front.

            Whatever the unjustified complaints about Abiy, he came to power fair and square through the EPRDF system which was designed, engineered and enforced for years by the TPLF. So, I would say, first is to question the system that brought Abiy to this point, instead of complaining about the output of the system. To me it was clear as day that a system that emphasized ethnicity and repressed democratic aspirations would reward ethnic extremists and self-serving cadres. You thrown in the convenient rhetoric of “Developmental State” which made it easy to play favorite between those deemed ልማታዊ and ኪራይ-ሰብሳቢ and voila, you get crony capitalism run amuck. At this point last year, TPLF was just a front for oligarchic mafias who had free reign to have anybody they wanted detained, tortured and killed with no consequences whatsoever. This is a result of a monopoly of power pure and simple.

            it seems we are on opposite sides of the same coin – you and I. I hated the system and can’t believe it produced an output I so dearly love. Apparently you loved the system, but hate its output. Funny how that works right?

            I would go so far as to ask the whip-smart Hayat to take off her TPLF hat and sketch out what a new system she would like to see implemented would be like. Blank slate. You might take into consideration what TPLF did wrong, but honestly I would rather see you set aside TPLF as an institution in your considerations. It is spent as a national force.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            The GAmde,
            If the system you hate gave you the right product, you should be advised to love the system. And if the system I love gave me a product that I hate, I have every reason to complain.
            —–
            Okay, if you really beleive Tplf is a spent force, that is fine but I don’t necessarily agree. I think they are being forced to act small and they are complying to that pressure either out of playing it safe for the country or their own sake. That all is fine. And I don’t mind at all if the Tplf are out or in as long as the people of Tigray are okay. If the people of Tigray are not okay, the rest of Ethiopia nor Eritrea will not be okay. I totally disagree with you, Ethiopia proper will ever survive without Tigray. And i think I can emphasize a point here: it was so unstomachable. I sometimes got boggled down how educated people fail yo be careful with their words in a country where many would be so clouded with their coded message hinting that they would entertain choosing one politician over their people.

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat,

            I meant to say TPLF is a spent force nationally.

            The thing about the people of Tigray is that they are under absolute control of one party. This situation of TPLF being effectively out of EPRDF has practically meant the disenfranchisement of Tigrayans from National politics. Don’t you think Dr. Abiy would like to hug a Tigrayan? It was telling that in today’s Minnesota speech he listed the members of TeamLemma and for the first time included Muferiyat Kamil, but no name from TPLF.

            Alternately, he has reached out to all opposition forces, but one does not hear a Tigrayan opposition name. In fact, other than Gebru Asrat, one is hard pressed to name a relatively well known Tigrayan opposition. My personal feeling is there are many within TPLF who want to jump onboard the Abiy train, but there is no consensus internally. And I think most Tigrayans would be enthusiastically for Abiy’s vision if they were free to express their opinion.

            As to Ethiopia surviving a Tigray exit… as an Ethiopian nationalist I will tell you this is not something I want and I would do what I can to stop it. It would definitely be a damaging event. But I do not necessarily see it as an act that triggers disintegration in the rest of Ethiopia. People have to live and they will make practical accommodations. In any case though, it is a moot point as Tigrayans are not for it and I think they will fight tooth and nail to stay. The whole absurd idea of Tigray seceding is a TPLF creation anyway – not Tigrayan popular opinion.

            What TPLF should do now is to step back and let Tigrayans express themselves freely. I bet you they will find a lot more Tigrayans enthusiastically on the ተደምረናል bandwagon. That will show the rest of Ethiopians where Tigrayan public sentiment truly is. Pro-change elements inside TPLF can then leverage this public demonstration as the justification for joining TeamLemma. At one stroke, they will substantially heal much of the rift between Tigrayans and the rest of Tigray, AND earn themselves some legitimacy.

            But I doubt they will do that. My guess is they want to make Abiy a two-year one-termer. They calculate OPDO and ANDM will be decimated in free elections in two years, thereby costing Abiy a parliamentary majority. They won’t plan on losing any seats since they think free election is for losers like Oromiya and Amara, but Tigray will keep humming along with the meto-be-meto producing cadre engineered “elections” of yore. And with that, they think they can cobble together a parliamentary majority without the TeamLemma enabling ANDM and OPDO.

            Amde

        • Beyan

          Dear Amde,

          If Abiy were the leader of Eritrea, he would’ve had his job cut out for him, because of what I tried to allude to earlier on an aspect of individualism versus collectivism that the two societies tend to adhere to. This might have something to do without the history of the two country where one never had internally governing in its history, save the last 27 years. Having been a mistress of so many colonial powers, it has made us easily acquiescing bunch. Whereas, in Ethiopia’s case, one hopes, they will come to realize the”Social Capital” that you alluded to, which PM Abiy is trying to capitalize on can run its course if it is not reciprocated with some measure of a return, you know, in economic terms.

          As for our lot, you see trying to argue against that which is inconvenient truth. The truth is the man at the helm is responsible for so many failures, but neither he nor his supporters are willing to accept it but they want to exculpate the man without even having acknowledging of some wrong doings he committed. Hence for the snag we continue to hit at every turn when discussing issues (Example, Kbrom v. MS). Either find something like that of South Africa of Truth and Reconciliation that uniquely can be tailored to Eritrean sensibility or we will keep on circling around this conveyor belt full of inconsistencies.

          I am afraid, the will to power through willful ignorance, mind you, not willful knowledge, is purposefully choosing not to see the misery of the Eritrean people that’s at work here. Good luck trying to find an ontology that caters to this kind of a theory. And what could such theory explicate for that matter is hard for me to conceive. I should probably have posted a portion of this in a different thread. Oh, well, there might be something that we can learn from Ethiopian brothers and sisters.

          Regards,
          Beyan

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Beyan,

            “Medemer” is neither a political nor an ideological philosophy. The PM is simply a motivational leader than an ideological one. Motivational speeches are only needed during an election period to win the heart and mind of his fellow citizens. He is a prime minister at least for two years until the next cycle of their election, and he must run the government to meet the challenge of his country both politically and economically. The government can not be run without an ideological leader with distinct political and economic philosophy. The young leader has yet to address the political and economic crises of his nation.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            What is the purpose of the well trodden leftist path of agitprop (agitation and propaganda) than motivation?

            I interpret politics as “the game of will aggregation”. He is aggregating consent and support left and right. He is doing what a typical politician does. He matches his message to his audience. He provides a compelling vision and people are happy to share in it.

            He had Tamagn kiss his feet and two days later he had Jawar sing his praises. Any way you cut it, it is a phenomenal achievement.

            Of course if is also pretty speeches, but if that is all you see in it, well.. then you have missed the whole point as to why rhetoric was a treasured art. The Romans considered it one of the necessary arts in the Trivium (Logic, Grammar and Rhetoric).

            Amde

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,

    What a talk ! This Dr, has so great ability almost I start to trust him…who can support me in this case? What a balanced stand? Just very powerful conversation,

    He cannot answer the question of Mr.Tedros because our man has promised him = that he will manage to handle our case and he is not sure if that will be materialized or not..Yes as for me I think that will not materialized..sine our guy is not chosen by legal way,,No constitution yet….I am not sure if that is correct also,,

    Really he is in trouble,,How in the hell can he plan to solve all our problems,,

    KS,,

    • Berhe Y

      Dear KS,

      This is what I was hoping our Eritrean intellectual would have taken advantage (via their good connection) and made it to the meeting of Dr. Abiy and ask him directly about our situation at home with our dictator.

      I mean he volunteered to be his FM, and our dictator gave him all his power, so now our business is with Dr. Abiy instead. That’s what I would have told him and would have asked him.

      I heard they were calling some Eritreans, to help them reach out to the Eritrean community in LA area and to attend the event which was free.

      Berhe

    • Haile S.

      Selam Kokhob and all
      Let me try to respond to the question you are alluding to. Let me enjoy my minute of Abiyism.
      የኢትዮጵያ የባሕር ድንበር፡ ኤርትራ ነች። ኤርትራ ኤርትራ ከመባልዋ በፊት የኢትዮጵያ የባሕር ድንበር ነበረች። ኣሁንም ትሆናለችህ። ኤርትራ ነጻ የወጣችው የባሕር ድንበራችን ላለመሆን ከሆነ፡ ትርጉም የለውም፣ ካልተጠቀመችበት ትርጉም የለውም። ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር መለስ፡ ነፍሳቸው ይማርና፡ ኣሰብን ለግመል ውሃ መጠጫ ኣደርጋለሁ እንዳሉት እኮ ሆነ ነገሩ። ኩርፍያ ለነሱም ለኛም ኣይጠቅመንም። በኤርትራ እና በኢትዮጵያ መካከል የኩርፍያ ባህር መኖር የለበትም። የሚያስተሳስር የጋራ ባህር ግን ኣለን። በኣለብኝ እና በዋንነት ከማየት በኣብሮ መጠቀምና መደመር ብናየው ለሁላችን የሚሻል ነው እላለሁ።

  • saay7

    Selamat Abdulworld:

    In one of his speeches (I forget which one now), PM Abiye says that Ethiopia is now so polarized that when you accuse someone of a crime, instead of people asking what the crime committed is and when, they ask who is the alleged criminal and is he one of us. I don’t know if this is unique to Ethiopia or (my guess) all of multicultuaral Africa, a curse (yeah yeah I know we pretend it’s a blessing) that the nation states of Europe and the Asian tigers don’t have to contend with.

    That being the case, the challenge of a developmental state (DS) in Africa has always been that DS requires a government in power for a very long time, without having to worry about disruptive elections. (Most of the Asian Tigers were authoritarian states.)

    So even if PM Abiy says he is a devout developmental statists (I think his meeting with IMF shows and Ethiopia’s cold relationship with China now hints at Ethiopia adopting the Washington consensus) the fact that he is committed to a multi-party State (he told his audience that’s what he wants to be remember for: the guy who brought genuine political pluralism to Ethiopia) will make development state a near impossible task.

    Maybe this is why he is institute on 4-5 competing political parties/coalitions instead of the 80 registered ones now.

    Or maybe with his emphasizing Ethiopia and deemphasizing ethnic politics, he is trying to rebuild the “civilization state” of Ethiopia modeled after China, instead of the multinational state, that is modeled after Canada.

    saay

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Saay,

      Just a small comment, I think Canada is multicultural but not multinational state, but instead Bi-national (English and French). The rest – immigrants (first generations and those that come after m) are moulded and shaped and fall within the two nationals (we call it successfully integrated:).

      Do you think Ethiopia multi-party model under Abiy can resemble that of India instead?

      And could the Indian economic model work for Ethiopia? Which I think it would if it’s able to develop first its work force and internal resources, before it opens up to the world?

      Like Tedla said and AT indicated, the import / export gap is so out of balance and I don’t know how they can close it?

      Berhe

      • David Samson

        Selamat Berhe,

        Many Indians posses or have an entrepreneurial culture (Natured or Nurtured is a different topic). I believe religion (Hinduisms) does play a role in shaping their mind set. Despite colonised by the British for over 400 years, the impact of Christianity on diluting Hinduisms’ is very minimum. Hinduisms gives them a sense of uniqueness of identity where ever in the world they live. India has not had the experience of ‘Revolution’. All British laws and institutions are still intact.

        When Amin had forced the Indians to leave Uganda, most of them ended up in the UK, with little money- they were not given enough time to collect their belongings. Majority of them now own and run very successful businesses. I know an Indian chap who was born in Uganda and came to the UK with penniless, and his first job was as a ‘Bus conductor’, is now a multi-millionaire. How? It is very simple: ‘Saving culture’.

        Indian Parents instil and nurture their children with ambition to success in business.

        I do not think importing Asian’s economic models will work in Africa. What works is proven model of economics: private entrepreneurship. A government role should be to create a conducive environment for individuals to flourish. Take ‘soleRebels’ as an example. Bethlehem Tilahun Alemu started the business from a scratch with no help whatsoever. Her products are now sold in Amazon, earning foreign currency for Ethiopia.

        • FishMilk

          Hi David Samson. Do you know if there was ever a substantial Indian community in Asmara? The only Indian family that I knew in Asmara was the Khotari family that ran a music shop.

          • David Samson

            Hi FM,
            Most of the shops in down town were owned by Indians. After Derg, three or so left behind. They were known by the name ‘Baynan’. To this day, I do not know the meaning of this word. It might be something to do with a place in India- Banyan.

          • FishMilk

            Hi David Samsom. Now thinking back, I remember at least a couple of Indian clothing shops in the area of Sila printing press.

          • Haile S.

            Selam David,
            Banians or Banyans are an indian cast of merchants that populated the indian ocean, gulf of aden and red sea area (including Massawa) for centuries. They were the principal merchants and bankers of this area until the coming of the italians and to a limited extent thereafter by following the italians to Asmara. No traveller to Abyssinia has passed Massawa without mentioning and dealing with these skillful merchants. I think the name just means merchants in their languages.

          • David Samson

            Selamat Haile,

            Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

            The influence of Banyans on our culture, food and dress is very little known. I believe our cousin- injera and spice food, even mogogo are largely copied from the Indians. A while back, I watched a TV program about a certain group of people who live in a very isolated part of India. They traced their ancestry to Abyssinia(In fact modern Eritrea) and appeared to have little inter-marriage with the rest of Indians. Like the Dalits, they face discrimination and largely outcasted as ‘Blacks’

        • Berhe Y

          Hi David,

          I was looking at the political culture of India (multiethnic, multi religion, multi language, very large population, multi class (including ugly cast) very large poor populations.

          Also the government macro economic policy of self sufficiency, closed economy, highly ambitious education system and development, with large educated class export.

          Berhe

    • Ismail AA

      Hayak Allah saay,

      “[C]ivilization vs multinational state” sounds novel to me. How would we imagine Ethiopia as civilization state? Post 1974 Ethiopia would present itself as a nation of claimants of various civilizations. Islamic: Efat, Adal, Dawaro, Harar, mainstream Oromo, and lots of others. How would all these synthesize to mold into civilization state that would be different to the old Axum-Lalibella-Gonder precedent? I know this is beyond the space of this forum, but am betting on the ኩሉ ዘይጽግሞ mind of saay7.

      • saay7

        Hala Ismailom:

        Well, again, not an expert (this is more Beyan’s really) but I think the answer is in what attributes were used when Marin Jacques coined the phrase. I think one can argue that the continuity of civilizations is more important than the various dynasties which appear. Where the test fails (badly) is Chinese and Ethiopian attitude towards government. The Chinese view the government as the paternal figure. (Probably due to role of Confucius) whereas in Ethiopia the attitude of the people towards the government is, well, ask Fanti who comes from an area that rebels against all governments with and without cause.

        But if you listen to the early speeches of Abiy either just before or just after he was named PM, he makes it clear that the past two decades have overemphasized identity at the expense of Ethiopian identity. And in his speech in DC he limped it with the Derg Years when he said “the past 40 Years” when he was bemoaning the era of revolutions.

        saay

    • abdulworld

      Hello Saay,
      First I think we need to take time to see what happens. I think we Eritrean who are accustomed to one-man and erratic show of PIA believe that only one person is making the decision.
      I like to believe that Dr. Abiy who came up thru the EPDRF rank-file over many years reflects the party’s philosophy…
      I believe maybe the Dr. Abiy and EPDRF are playing chess.. the reality is that African countries have option- play the West against East..
      Ethiopia is in the best place to play West against East and do what is in best interest of its people. Although we see figurehead of Dr. Abiy- in the same way the Chinese government has a premier the decision are collective..
      Making enough adjustment to get interest of West while still encouraging the East…
      If possible the Horn Countries can collectively negotiate with Chinese and West…

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selam Kibur Tedla,

    The “ተከባብረን በእኩልነት መኖር” has its roots in the concept whether ethnic federalism is necessary for Ethiopia or not. Its adherents believe that the unitary system was inherently unable to serve Ethiopians equally. That fear was understandable especially in the beginning, and the expected result was that economic progress and establishment of democratic institutions will naturally make ethnic federalism unnecessary.

    However, except for the single focus on economic progress other equally important steps that would have prepared the nation for the desired union were not taken. It is true that EPRDF was facing old and new difficulties in the last 27 years, but what was required to calm down unionists was not that difficult to achieve. All that was needed was the establishment of civilian institutions to address those and similar issues and in the process gauge Ethiopian’s wishes.

    I hope people won’t think this as shallow, but we spent the first 7 years defending Eritrea, followed by 7 years of attacking it, followed by 7 years of trying to break it, followed by 7 years of trying to make peace with it. What a record!

    Anyway, yes the “ተከባብረን በእኩልነት መኖር” was in reference to the constitution but not necessarily in light of the few quantifiable acts of late such as freeing of prisoners or waving illegal flags. In my opinion it was a good thing to release the prisoners and to let people express their 27-years-in-the-making frustration, but the move and the manner with which it was made made some Ethiopians nervous.

    It is in our recent memory that the more “Ethiopia” is shouted without specifics, the more emotional we all get, and the more we become vulnerable to exploitation. PM Abiy should have waited a little longer and let the “Ethiopiawinet” simmer for a while before inviting DERG officials and known fascists concurrently.

    The “redrawing the administrative” regions sound a good idea although I haven’t heard of it being considered officially. I am with PM Abiy on the “one Ethiopia” concept. He believes that the ethnic mentality that has been boiling for the last 40 years cannot be removed overnight and therefore time is needed. In general, he intends to subtract from regional focus, add to union focus, and prepare the nation for its final destination.

    There is no threat of separation at this time and definitely not in Tigray. I strongly believe that Dr. Debretsion should have rephrased some of his sentences, but most of the speech did not strike me as problematic.

    Somehow, I kept thinking that he was talking to “Team Lemma” than to his audience. It mostly sounded something that should have been discussed in private. Interestingly, I have noticed something similar in PM Abiy’s speeches too but not as much. So, I think they are addressing one another through their audiences and it is interesting. Unwittingly, they are including us in their private squabbles.

    The rally was primarily supposed to address peace with Eritrea. The unexpected death of Engineer Simegnew complicated the uncertainty and I think the speech may have been modified at the last hour. I hope they (EPRDF) will hammer down their differences and save us from more agony.

    PS:
    Dear Moderator, I just brought this post here to respect my good friend Beyan’s wishes. If this violates posting guideline, please accept my apology and take a proper action. Thanks.

    • Selam Fanti Ghana,

      Once PMAA has caught the tiger by the tail, i think that he had to go all the way to the possible end. When he was standing side by side with dergists, ultra-nationalists and every disappointed ethopian politician, he was sending the message, ‘stop whining for the rest of your lives that you have been forced to flee your country, because you are free now to return to your country anytime you like, therefore pick your old azz and go home and do something for the country,’ and that was all he wanted to tell them. Who is afraid of old toothless tigers? Such things should be done now and not tomorrow, if pm Abiy wants to disarm them and show them that they cannot go on complaining for the rest of their lives, and he has more serious things to do.

      Thanks for bringing to the light the “7 years of defending eritrea” for few eritreans accept it. This helps in the discussion we carry out. This is not meant to accuse anybody, but to put things in their rightful perspective. The truth from all sides will help bury the hatchet.

      About the “illegal flag”; in my opinion, there is only one ethiopian flag, the tri-color. All the rest are flags of the ruling groups, the lion of judah, derg’s flag and the five As (tplf/eprdf’s). These do not represent the country but the government in power, which has a short lifespan, contrary to the country that is forever. In the future, the constitution should bar any government in power to put their special symbols on the tri-color, as most countries in the world do.

      “Redrawing the administrative regions” at this stage is playing with fire. It is right he has started to stress the negative consequences of parochial thinking and the positive results of togetherness and ethiopiawinet (which unfortunately brings a sour taste in the mouth of some). Nevertheless, in my opinion, the job will not be finish during his premiership, hoping that it will be a ten-years period. He has explained the problem himself very clearly and therefore, it is going to be a gradual process. It is like the 90m basement of the would-be the tallest building in the world that is being constructed in the uae, the pm brought in to the discussion. Tribalism/ethnicism have deep roots and it takes time to uproot them. The remedy is education, development, improved life standard, etc. That would be the time when ethiopians would stop feeding on tribalism/ethnicism, similar to most developed countries.

  • Tedla

    Selam Fanti the Gentle Soul,

    [ I got cut off in the previous thread – the Awate Police closed it off. Note to the enterprising Saay: if the site is so popular, is it maybe time for a mid-year pledge drive? That big PayPal button at the top …]

    Thanks for the detailed reply. I like the way you re-cast the speeches made by the officials is more addressed to each other than to the public. I wasn’t worried much about the secession talk as such, but more importantly the way our leaders approach problems/conflicts and look for solutions. It just seemed to me pondering on secession even if casually is extreme.

    That aside, though, don’t you see a vector running from “ብሄር-ተኮር ፌዴራሊዝም” to ethnic violence, at least from the ordinary people’s perspective? Some here may argue that the theoretical idea ethnic federalism has no problems, it’s how you implement it and especially the corrupted top people who do the implementation, who made it unworkable. This sounds like the same argument as “the ideas of Marxist socialism are great, they just weren’t implemented correctly…”. The usual counter-argument is, well Marxian politics failed because centralized economics ignored price signaling and those “enlightened revolutionaries” got much too comfortable with perpetual political power. So, it has been tried and failed. Likewise, in ethnic politics in our country: We tried and it leads to anarchy and disorder; it disrupts ordinary people’s lives. So, it has been tried and failed, at least partly.

    In any case, I don’t believe the alternative to ethno-linguistic federation is unitary government. The more sensible approach, it seems to me, is to look for pragmatic solutions. Solutions based off of rigid ideological worldviews do not seem to work well in human societies. We can keep the popular and/or useful parts of the current ethnic structure and throw out the most divisive and harmful ones, especially to the so-called minorities. Similarly, we can bring in the useful aspects of a unitary government and keep the unhealthy ones at bay. Even better, we can leave open the pact so it can be modified/amended on practical grounds as the need arises. As long as we try to align ourselves to the Declaration of Human Rights, I think the rest of it is details.

    You mentioned equitable economic progress is the one achievement that borne fruit in the current political arrangement. Not to harp on it but even that claim seems to be questionable. No doubt there is progress in infrastructure, the public service has improved a bit and some cities across the country have grown bigger and a bit more modern; Addis has gotten some facelift, too. All this is bound to happen if you borrow like there is no tomorrow. But in one true metric of economic growth to a country like ours, namely foreign-currency generating export, progress is nowhere to be seen. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the newspaper Addis Tribune in the late 90’s. It used to contain a well-written economics commentary by a resourceful and knowledgeable writer, very likely a professional economist himself (herself?). The writer repeatedly hammered home the point that there is no economic growth without exporting. To him it’s a straight line wrapping on itself: Export => generate foreign currency => import/buy new technology => add value to your product => export more … ad infinitum. One looks at where we’re now – down to a few months of dollar reserve and a massive debt burden God knows how we’d pay it back – and one can’t help but wonder: Are the people who’re running the country downright idiots? Do they know how to prioritize?

    I didn’t even mention the population pressure the country is going through. It would have been a blessing if the mass has a decent level of literacy and numeracy which could have served as a selling point to bring in a meaningful FDI or even help spur the country’s small-scale manufacturing, etc. … But no, this ethnic whatever (EPRDF/TPLF’s yardstick for social progress) should run its course first…

    Often times, I feel the root of our predicament is nicely captured by an old poem of Mengistu Lemma’s: “መርፌ ትሰራለህ?” … pointing to the technical backwardness of our society.

    • saay7

      Selamat Tedla:

      One looks at where we’re now – down to a few months of dollar reserve and a massive debt burden God knows how we’d pay it back – and one can’t help but wonder: Are the people who’re running the country downright idiots? Do they know how to prioritize?

      I don’t know if you had a chance to follow an exchange I had with the erudite Kaddis. He said something very revealing: that all EPRDF cadres had a copy of “How Asia Works” the developmental state guru Joe Studwell who, he said, was recently in Ethiopia (probably to write a sequel.) In any event, what he says in his book is what the Addis Tribune economist was saying: a developmental state exists only to create a reward and punishment system for those private businesses who excel in not only producing goods and services for export, but increasing market share. Well, actually, step 1 is land reform, Step 2 is state-driven manufacturing, Step 3 is state-driven financial (savings) system that favors industries over individuals. Ethiopia delivered on Step 1 which requires a very coercive state (Mengistu Hailemariam.) It has been struggling with Step 2 (it is not rewarding private business based on their ability to export but good old corrupt) and it never got around to Step 3.

      Studdwell calls China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan (which have world-class companies that dominate market shares) true developmental states whereas Hong Kong, Malaysia, (which do not) are pretenders.

      By the way, Hayat Adem is partly misunderstood (which is partly her fault): the reason she is losing her mind (partly), is because PM Abiye appears to have dumped the developmental state model of Asia in favor of the “Washington Consensus” which is the IMF’s which is “stabilize, privatize, liberalize.” And now he is promising a multi-party state, which developmental statists hate.

      Good luck guys! There are a lot of challenges you will face, as most African states do and will.

      By the way, the word “ethnic” does not appear anywhere in your constitution. So there are a lot of things your politicians can do to make everyone happy, if there is goodwill. Just get everyone to sign a pledge (the way they do here in the US for political candidates) that regardless of the frustration, there will be no threats to go to the bushes and no threats to secede.

      saay

      • Tedla

        Selam Saay,

        No unfortunately, I missed out your exchange with Kaddis – he seems to be a well-informed person. But I read the book by Studwell a while back. I was hoping it’ll talk more about Vietnam as I think that country is closer in spirit to TPLF’s Ethiopia than East Asians and South/Southeast Asian nations he wrote about. Nevertheless, I found it quite a revealing and persuasive book. I was simultaneously seething with envy and wondering how is it that what the Asian nations did hard to replicate in the Horn (at least some fraction of it)?

        I may have forgotten the details of it, but I thought the essence of the developmental state is coercing the private sector so its goal aligns with that of the national development. In practical terms this mostly means the state rewards (favors) private entrepreneurs (businesses) which consistently generate hard currencies and move up the value chain and shuns others who are invested in rent-seeking than value creation. As you mentioned, he provides abundant examples, S. Korea, Taiwan and China are in the former and Indonesia and the Philippines in the latter. Malaysia & Thailand were somewhere in the middle, I think.

        These were the nations discussed in detail in the book, but as he mentioned briefly the idea of state-led capitalism predates all of these. Hamilton’s America, Bismarck’s Germany, Meiji Japan are all excellent examples, maybe not all of them full-blown democracies, but at least they were liberal states, with legal rights to their citizens and equality before the law. Which leads me to the next point which is that, at least in the face of it, the book doesn’t say the dev. state can only flourish in the absence of democracy. It just happens that the examples he discusses are, as you pointed out, not really shining examples of democracy. His conclusion, also with a supporting quote from Amartya Sen, was that economic development is only one aspect of human development as people eventually yearn for liberty, democracy, rights, etc. So, dev. state and democracy are not necessarily incompatible. Indeed, plausibly, a political party which can deliver satisfactory economic progress can win elections fair and square …

        In my day job, I meet people from Thailand, China, India, etc. with science and engineering background. They come here to get trained once a project gets matured and needs to be transferred to their site for production, etc. I work with them, and think with myself, … but we have plenty of young people who can perform as well in Ethiopia. If anything, my collegemates at AAU (both Eth and Eris) are I think, on average, could easily match them in skill levels. But, oh well …

        You said Ethiopia has already done stage 1 (land re-distribution) by coercion. I think EPRDF also did more of that to its credit, but the problem always had been the nature of the land tenure. Given the state is the owner of all land, which basically means that the peasant could lose his/her plot either by future re-distribution or even for political reasons, the incentive to develop the land is not optimal. Productivity suffers and national food self-sufficiency becomes elusive, let alone food surplus. The Addis Tribune economist also regularly wrote about revising the nature of land ownership, repeatedly imploring with Meles – it all fell on the ideologically-minded deaf ears. Twenty years and astronomical food prices later, the government still talks about, “ጥሩ ህጐች አሉን ፤ ያፈጻጸም ችግር ነው ያለብን”…

        • Selam Tedla,

          “Why is it so hard to duplicate the economic miracles of south-east asia?”
          There are fundamental differences between asians and africans. Asians are much more educated, they have acquired the highest IQ through education compared even to the west, they suffer from a disease (if i may say so), “dying from overwork”, the japanese term for it is ‘karoshi’, and finally in china, corruption may cost a person’s life, without advocating for the last one.
          In africa, on the contrary, as you very well know, unfortunately, the opposite is what happens.

          • saay7

            Horizon:

            This is for those who don’t want to read “How Asia Works” but don’t mind the video version of it.

            Horizon, when China began its journey its illiteracy rate was 45%. So it’s not literacy. Its recognition that when you have undereducated or uneducated manpower, the focus should be land reform but with opportunity for farmers to actually make money out of their labor. This will then lead to a industrialization and manufacturing with single focus on export. (Fanti: if you don’t have export how do you generate the hard currency for imports). It’s not the culture either because well South Korea and North Korea had the same culture. It’s not the weather because some of Southeast Asia has worse weather than SubSaharan Africa. It’s because:

            1. Most of Africa listens (or is forced to listen) to IMF and World Bank when in fact there is as Abdulworld said no documented case of their prescriptions working;

            2. I think multi-national states (carved by the West) are artificial states and they are next to impossible to govern. There is nobody saying “it’s my turn to govern” in the developmental state stage of Japan and South Korea.

            Berhe, can Ethiopia model itself after India? Well, you know, even know services (IT, communications, customer services) are only 20% of exports and manufactured goods are 80%. Exporting services requires expertise in the service (IT) whereas in manufacturing it is minimal on the job training.

            By the way, in case I am pretending to be an expert I am not: all of this is in “How Asia Works.”

            saay

          • Thanks saay,

            Incrementally developing education of the masses from the get go of the developmental state that has created an educated society in ethiopia is yet to be seen. I think that this is true for china which although it started at 45%, now, maybe it is at a percentage approaching 100. In ethiopia about two decades after the initiation of developmental state, it is said that adult education is still at about 50% percent, which is a major drawback for development.

            Yes, many universities came to existence having in mind education as an important factor in development, but it has still to do the job, especially concerning those left behind in the countryside. In addition, in ethiopia and eritrea as well, their target should be to attract low-wage and low-value industries. Even then, they have to compete with asian and latin american countries. Again, education is the thing that will save the day, if ethiopia is to achieve the low middle income country she dreams to be, in conjunction with attracting FDIs and adapting a hard working culture. Of course, research based study of the writer has all the weight on its side.

            In addition, we should not forget our hippos so that they do not complain they are left out, who happen to have insatiable appetites. Case in point is Nigeria, a country with a gdp of about 500bn, that cannot yet feed its people, while its oligarchs travel with private jets.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay The Great, aka Saay TG*

            “If you don’t have export how do you generate the hard currency for imports?”

            The answer is a question: what imports?

            The Fanti et al philosophy says that whatever it is that you need to import why not make it yourself? In other words, there are two ways we can try to solve the same problem.

            1) Sale something so that you can buy something else (dimwit economics).

            The three things we can export are natural resources, manufactured goods, and professional services. If we focus on exporting all our natural resources as fast as we can we will be happy for a while, but we will eventually run out and then die. The second and third choices are really not choices at all because we are hilariously out classed by others.

            2) Make the damn thing yourself so that you don’t have to import it (brainy economics).

            This is perhaps the lesser evil for countries like ours. Reduce import as much as possible by manufacturing whatever it is the country needs. In the mean time, export enough natural resource to make it through the day while your children are in school getting smarter.

            If by some miracle your children happened to be smarter than the other children, then, you can start selling some shiny gadgets the others can’t live without.

            Import reduction is most likely to succeed than to make export higher than import for trailing countries like ours. Look at this way: while you are going to school to be smarter, invent something cool, manufacture it, and sale it to the world, what is the rest of the world supposed to be doing in the mean time?

            * Haile [no more TG] has forfeited his title by excessive absence.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            Well, I am sold! (a bill of goods:)

            Machinery including computers: US$2.7 billion (18.1% of total imports). Replaced by Fanti Inc.
            Vehicles: $1.4 billion (9.6%) – Replaced by Fantiness & Partners
            Electrical machinery, equipment: $1.3 billion (8.8%) – Replaced by His Fantiness LLC
            Mineral fuels including oil: $1.2 billion (8.4%) – Replaced by Fanti Fanta & Fantu
            Iron, steel: $799.3 million (5.4%) – Replaced by Fanti, a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Fantiness
            Cereals: $639.9 million (4.4%) – Replaced by Fanti Corp
            Plastics, plastic articles: $634.2 million (4.3%) – Replaced by Fanti, Fanti, Fanti: An LLC
            Articles of iron or steel: $569.5 million (3.9%) – Fanti S Corp of Cayman Islands
            Animal/vegetable fats, oils, waxes: $539.9 million (3.7%) – Fanti LongHorns
            Pharmaceuticals: $536.1 million (3.6% – Dr. Fanti, MD, St Elsewhere & Grey’s Anatomy

            Very persuasive, Fanti:)

            saay

      • Aligaz G

        Dear saay,

        PM AA will lead a strong delegation to China I believe in September. Perhaps we should wait until then to gauge the depth of China’s regard for the reforms underway.

        The architect of China’s economic renaissance Deng had several famous sayings including the one about the color of the cat and another about crossing a fast flowing stream. EPRDF had until now given lip service to China’s developmental model while completely ignoring the centrality of the individual (sacrifice, decency, individual human rights, democracy). Premier Deng kicked off China’s economic resurgence with another famous slogan completely and totally abhorrent to Meles – To be rich is glorious!

        The next few months will not only the closeness of China and Ethiopia

      • FishMilk

        Hi saay7. One day a long ago while walking in front of the Albergo (Keren) Hotel, I passed by a small office with laughter coming out of the door that you could hear down the street. I was told that it was a real estate office. That place always seemed to have laughter coming out of it and oftentimes there would be people outside its door smoking cigarettes. So, one day, I walked inside that office to see a well-dressed older gentleman sitting down, a large pile of old carta IDs for houses waiting to be sold, and immediately struck up a conversation with the shop owner who would later invite me to have a coffee with him at the Casa de Italia. We would repeat the same on many occasions and discuss everything from A to Z. Every time I would have a coffee with this gentleman, I would end up crying from laughter. Many good memories that I have from those special coffee meetings. I did not know until today that the man was so close to you for otherwise I would not have been giving you such a hard time.

        • Beyan

          Dear FishMilk,

          You’ve got a sense of place. A sense of time. A house of laughter for a title. I hear a story being narrated here of the laughter inducer in an otherwise a city of the depressed. You need not expressly say the latter but it can be implied in the story you narrate. That infectious laughter drew you in, because we are creatures who seek happiness at the root, and that I presume is what you went in seeking, not necessarily with the intent of buying a home.

          Yes, Sal Y. may have taken the smarts from his insatiable curiosity of wanting to read on anything that he can get his hands on. But, that DNA is still stamped in him, from the man who self-taught several languages, add to that street smarts, the good look to boot, he was I hear from those who knew him to spend time with the man was as memorable as it was for you. Let alone on several occasions, even on one occasion the man would leave an unforgettable impression upon those who encountered him. I didn’t have that honor, but so went the story.

          I have to scold you a little here: Just because “[you] did not know until today that the man was so close to [Sal] for otherwise [you] would not have been giving [Sal] such a hard time” must be retracted. As your challenges in this medium ought to be on the merit of ideas and not on whether so and so is a relative of so and so. Wouldn’t you say, FM?

          May your day be filled with cheers and laughter.

          Beyan

          • FishMilk

            Hi Beyan and thanks. Indeed special memories during times of troubled water. Yeah, I get what you say on your last para. It is just that sometimes we have a tendency to go a bit overboard and throw in more spice that is necessary.

        • saay7

          FishMilk:

          One day, I was introduced to this lady who aroused instense feelings in me. I was told these feelings are called “patriotism” and when I asked what I was feeling I was told it’s this overwhelming sense of care you have for your country and it’s people. I was young and confused and asked “how do these feelings manifest themselves?” I was told well it depends; for those who feel it most intensely, they want to die protecting her. Others wants to serve her in any capacity, wash her feet, heal her when sick, keep her healthy and sheltered. But soldier or doctor, teacher or beles vendor, there is one most defining quality: to care for her children. They are, and you instinctly know, but your brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles, grandfathers and grandmothers. They are the closest after your closest. You must look out for them, speak up for them, be their voice when they are muted, ears when they can’t hear, healer when they are sick. You must not let anyone bully them because if you do, you have succumbed to your fears. Do not justify their abuse, do not rationalize it, do not look away.

          When I grew up, much later on, I learned all this is idealism. In the real world, people are good-time friends. In trying times, they don’t know, they can’t afford to know, they will yield to the bully because how do I help the victim by becoming a victim amirite? Right, am I right? It wouldn’t be smart. መንከ ከብድኻ ረጊፁካ ወደይ? ጠባይ ጌርካ ደቅኻ ኣዕቢ How do you help your children by making them orphans.

          And that’s how, my country, once a country of patriots, became a land of ordinary people. And when they meet extraordinary people they are still awed—-but they won’t speak up for them . Even the ones who slayed monsters have become ordinary people with children to raise and bills to pay.

          The man in the realtor office died in December. He was in and out of prison for excercising his right as a citizen and in the cumulative 8 years he was in prison, he never was once in jail. The office you saw ትዓሺጋ—because he abandoned it by being imprisoned. The rest is all memories, like Eritrea’s once glorious history, like the realltor, one of the last fearless Eritreans.

          And he was my father.

          saay

          • FishMilk

            Hi saay7. Strange how crazy and insane situations in the field can literally numb one’s mind, feelings and emotions. Since the mid-1980s, on many occasions at different field locations, I have seen a horrible mix of war, famine, injury and death. I particularly remember one day back in July 1990 following the Massawa cluster bombings, sitting on the back steps of the bombed out Red Sea Hotel endlessly looking into space for hours trying to make some sense of what was an insane situation, while raven birds flying overhead seemed to be constantly screaming at me. Later in the afternoon, I walked through the rooms of the Red Sea Hotel, remembering it glory days of old (I had last spent a night at the hotel back in early 1986) when it was full of life. All the rooms had broken out windows and there was no electricity or water. In one room I found an old American cassette tape by a band called Shooting Star and the title of the album was Silent Scream. A bit later, with that cassette and my cassette player, I would go to the back side of the hotel and sit on a small jetty that went out in the water in the direction of Green Island. I put the cassette in my player and the first song that started playing was a tract titled ‘Little by Little’ and first verse said:

            See what you’ve done
            Your dreams a broken waste
            But the chance was in your hands
            You let it slip away

            You see it’s gone
            Now you feel the pain
            But the wheels roll on
            You find a way to change

            Little by little
            You’ve got to leave it all behind
            You can steal away for now
            But you can’t turn back time
            Little by little
            You know you turn it all around
            Take the minutes one by one
            Till it turns upside down

            The cards are dealt
            And fall like rain
            But there’s no way to help
            I can’t ease the pain

            An old man on the corner
            Remembers all his dreams
            Things he wished he’d done
            And things he has seen
            Mistakes have come and gone
            But life goes on

            Little by little (Little by little)
            You find a way to make it right
            You try time and time again
            But time is on your side
            Little by little (Little by little)
            You know you turn it all around
            Take the minutes one by one
            Till you turn it upside down

            The chance is gone
            You’re up against the wall
            Yet the wheels roll on
            You’re so afraid to fall
            But it’s all little by little

            Since the border war of 1998-2000, on every trip that I have made to Eritrea, that song keeps constantly playing in my head……..what Eritrea could have been and should have been….we have just let it slip away. I realised on my last trip to Asmara and Massawa, witnessing how lifeless the cities had horrifically become, that Eritreans in large part have simply become numb to a brutal dictatorship Government. My last trips to Asmara and Masssawa have left me with a feeling of déjà vu….and I cannot make any sense of the insane situation in Eritrea these days any better than I could in years long gone by. However, one thing that I know for sure, is that NOW is the time to demand accountability of the PIA/PFDJ regime.

            I am truly sorry for the suffering that your family has and continues to endure.

          • saay7

            FishMilk:

            Thank you for the imagery and beautiful story. To avoid personalizing this, I want you to focus on children who spent less time with their fathers than I did: I hear their stories all the time. When you have a government that snatched a woman from the airport as her kids and mom are waiting with flowers at the airport, when you have young wives who have to listen to the president of their country telling the whole world “I am never going to bring your husband to court; we know what to do with people like your vysband” on TV; when you have an entire family with their kids in prison: when you have underage kids disappeared whose parents know nothing on their whereabouts; when you have young men and women separated from their families at very young age and brutalized in an environment with total impunity; when you have this pervasive culture of violence, brutality, and rule by fear, the best way you can express you are sorry for the pain people are suffering is to stop glorifying those directly and indirectly for these horrific and every day acts.

            Saay

      • Kbrom

        Hi saay7

        But do the developing countries have any other option especially when they face an austerity budget and had to knock the doors of IMF and World Bank ,who prescribe structural adjustments and tens of preconditions to help.

        One of the main reasons for China’s success and acceptance in Africa I think is unlike the Washington Consensus, which tries to become a government over the governments, China’s trade and investment is free of any threads.

        is the last part of ‘the by the way’ which should be the main way of your post re: ‘regardless of the frustration, there will be no threats to go to the bushes and no threats to secede’ an afterthought that came to your mind when you saw Dr Debretsion’s ‘ዘለና መማረጺ ወይ ተኸባቢርካ ምንባርዩ ወይ ክኣ ምብትታንዩ!’

        • saay7

          Selamat kbur Kbrom:

          On the challenges of IMF, World Bank and the no-choice choices presented to African leaders: I agree and I have no answers. This is why I say running an African State, usually composed of a diverse population, mostly poor and uneducated, is an impossible job. (So when y’all propose my name to higher office and I say I can’t I am not being polite or modest: I can’t 🙂

          You are right about what triggered my post. While I can accept his Fantiness explanation that it is just politicians talking to each other but using their constituents as microphones, i was more unnerved by The People liking it so much they yelled “ይደገም!” So Ethiopians I have an advice for you: follow me in paragraph 3.

          So, over in Eritrea, when a performer does something we really like, we scream “ቢ……ስ” (what? No I don’t know its origins: ask Haile and SGJ, they are into word origins.). And the performer, if we are lucky, acknowledges us, smiles, takes a bow, but moves on to his next act. Your peeps don’t have “ቢ….ስ” they say “ይደገም” and you guys take it literally and repeat what you just said? Stop that right now: just smile and move on. If you can: Dr Debretsion is so bad at public speaking even his smiles are awkward. Expect an invoice.

          saay

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Sal,
            ‘ bis’ ቢስ is a french word used exactly as you are using it at a performance to say ይደገም. Its other use in french is for a street name. When the same name is given to an adjacent street ‘bis’ is added to differenciate it. Then ቢስ is one of the rare french words that tigrigna adopted from french unlike amharic that has gulped a lot like ሸሚዝ፡ ክራቫት፡ ኤታ ማጆር ሹም፡ ሚኒስትር ድኤታ just to mention few.

          • David Samson

            Selamat Haile,
            Sorry for the diversion!

            ‘cravatta’ is an Italian word as well, so I suppose, it has a Latin origin.
            Do you happen to know the origin of ‘Ferengi’?

            In South-East Asia, ‘Felanga’, is a common word to describe some one who is a foreigner (Most used for Whites). Some one told me it is a corrupted version of the french word for ‘Foreigner’.

          • Haile S.

            Selam David,
            Yes you are right bis is latin in origin, perhaps cravatta as well. Ferenji is I think derived directly from an arabic word (I leave this to SGJ or Sal) which itself is derived from and means the Franks, central european people who gave the name France and French. Read Franks in wikipedia for details. Whenever there is a doubt about the origin of words, check first possibility if being Arabic or turkish. Remember most things came through the sea, through arabia to our region. The french word for foreigner is etranger (pronounced ኤትራንጄ).

      • Kaddis

        Selam Saay,

        Lovely discussion and agreeable to most entries here; and below

        Just to remark, Abiy has clearly indicated he will pursue the Developmental State (DS) model. In his early days meeting with the private sector – he said “our model require us to intervene”. On austerity measures – he is focusing on saving more money from the “rich state” than the private sector knowing its share to the nation economy will be marginal. Some even found his interaction with the private sector was condescending – referring them as “Nouveau riche” – “our new rich”

        Gov saving for not launching new project in the new budget year , the new money coming from the privatization ( strictly minority share), UAE’s tip etc…doesn’t foresee to create new capital for the private sector. Rather for debt management and to try to implement the next stages of DS – with foreign capital and shared ownership.

        The propaganda we consumed the last +15 years ( including the Adhari of Derg) made the nation very sentimental to gov owned institutions and its role . So even the political contenders will be reserved to go full gear neo-liberal.
        By the way – neo liberalism ሸሸ ወይስ አፈገፈገ ? it’s a popular joke here 🙂

        Your recommendation of discussing the constitution rather than referring it as Ye zer politica in general is very essential – discussing the intention rather than what went wrong – particularly by the Amharic mainstream.
        Cheers,

        • saay7

          Selamat Kaddis:

          There was an awate team editorial on PM Abiys dealings and fealty to the developmental state before he got the “hey, you are broke: you got one month’s worth of hard currency” news and met with IMF. Is the meeting you are mentioning before or after?

          When the ultranationalists complain about “ye zer poletica” they remind me about people here in the US who say “what’s all this with hyphenated Americans: can’t we just be Americans?”

          saay

          • Kaddis

            Hi Saay,
            IMF Lagart came to Addis in the last days of Hailemariam maybe to comfort his exit. In any case, with the refugee crisis, the West doesn’t seem to risk breaking a functioning economy like Ethiopia for the sake of Washington consensus.
            They sometimes wander how we survive 100 mln.people with a state university budget ፦)

          • saay7

            Kaddis:

            Funny! So, seriously, how do you survive?

            saay

      • Mez

        Dear saay,

        Some thoughts: 1) As soon as PMZ came to power, he fully accepted the IMF and World Bank prescriptions and did substantial (and successive structural reforms).

        2) That healthy structural reform was further cemented by the “the direct budget support” of DONNER WESTERN countries for all the years; that was unmatched anywhere in the world.

        3) since EPRDF came to power, the first ideology was ” revolutionary democracy”

        3.1) then that was slowly evolved into “developmental state”.

        3.2) over the decades the above ideologies became a cover for theft and dishonesty. As such as an ideology, they merit every consideration for implementation. Study for example how the “Ethiopian anti corruption agency” was instrumental to spread corruption and theft.

        4) there was a very strong working relationship with “all western” institutions unabated all the years; the west was more involved more on social, health, education, drought mittigation–while the Chinese (and the BRICS nations) were alluded to invest more on infrastructure and industrial projects. Which is still perfectly ok.

        5) one has to understand China is the biggest trade and commerce partner to America and Europe (individual as well as combined) on our planet. It is hard to understand why this shall be taboo for countries like Ethiopia.

        6) Hayat A is “loosing her mind” for wrong reasons. She knows very well the whole EPRDF as a political establishment has a substantial number of corrupted “leaders”, ( from the perspective of financial, integrity, honesty aspects). No pretension please.

        Thanks

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Saay,

        Your are right buddy, that there is not even a single word of “ethnic” in their constitution. The Amaras are the only social group against Federalism. The Oromo likes it, the Somalis link it, the Afar likes it, the southern nation and nationalities likes it, and the Tigrians likes it.

        But I have a question to you, did the PM somehow say that he is against “developmental state” and thus he favors for the western liberal economy? Second US has never been against the Asian developmental state economy. They were supporting Singapore, South Korea and other states who opted to it. What I know is even IMF and World bank finally supported it when they see the changes in Ethiopia on the ground. Am I not right buddy.

        Second “developmental states” do not prohibits private sectors and foreign investments. The corruption things like in every system, it it from the individuals who run the government and not from the system.

        • saay7

          Selam Emma:

          When it comes to the Ethiopian constitution, I don’t know who likes it and who doesn’t. My view (and this applied to Eritrea’s constitution as well as you will remember from our long long debates): use what you have instead of constantly blowing up and building things. In fact PM Abiye told the let’s blow it all up folks in DC (the Diaspora opposition): “the constitution has a mechanism for amending it.” It was dejavu for me 🙂

          On the developmental state model, not only did the US encourage a key component of it (land reform) it engineered it in Japan and South Korea. That would be General MacArthur who said it was a quick way to counter Soviet and Chinese influence during the Cold War. So it approved it tactically but then it created many schools, including the “Chicago School” of Milton Friedman which created the short lived “Chile Miracle” the non-answer to the Asian miracle.

          I will stop here to get input and corrections from our smart set.

          saay

    • Beyan

      Gentlemen,

      Rather Fanti, would you be as kind to post the original comment to which Tedla is responding to. This is precisely the kind of a gem conversation that can be buried in the over a thousand commentaries.

      Many thanks, gentlemen!
      Beyan

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Kibur Tedla,

      Well said. One would think that after all the centuries we have lived together sharing all kinds of ups and downs and making history together, we would be way beyond ethnicity and accomplishing greater things, but here we are. My opinion of this sorry ethnicity is similar to yours in your paragraph three.

      “…there is no economic growth without exporting.”

      I am not an economist, but I have to say exporting is one indicator but not the whole. In economy “growth” is a mater of from where to where. The concept is similar to all other sciences. A nation can always have its ratio of export higher than its import and still decline or stagnate. The opposite is also true. A nation can export nothing, make its own sofa, eat its god given mashila, and live happy.

      The primary goal of Ethiopia’s economic plan since the 90s was to reduce imported goods. I think we did okay but the demand for imported goods kept growing as fast as the rural sector growth (in which EPRDF concentrated on) making the progress somewhat invisible. To accomplish substantial reduction in imports we need high quantity and quality manufacturing sectors, and we are at the initial stage of that step.

      We are assembling our own buses, tracks, vehicles, small airplanes, other heavy machineries, etc., and God willing, we will manufacture all or some of them soon. So, I have to say that we are inching up.

      The debt, 40b, is a necessary evil. We are a nation which is starting from the bottom and it will take time to reduce it to a manageable level but we probably will never be able to bring it down to zero. Even the United States is up to its neck with debt. When we should start worrying is if our education system refuses to improve and our manufacturing sector remains mediocre.

  • Beyan

    Thank you Awate Staff for saving the day for me personally by availing these video clips that hopefully will move the discussion from the 1000 plus (and counting) that the previous article is being burdened with. It is truly a burden to keep up with the discussions with some such enormous volume. I lost track a while ago. I shudder to think of the gem ideas that I’ve missed in the shuffle because of my inability to sift through it all.

    I have only had a chance to watch the first clip of PM Abiy’s speech. What stood out to me in particular has to do when he addressed the diaspora Ethiopians at a personal level telling them the important and constructive roles they can play in the dawning of the new Ethiopia. One longs to hear the so called leaders in our home turf addressing their diaspora citizens instead of those who support them only. Here is how PM Abiy put it:

    ለኢትዬጵያ ጭማሪ ተቀጽላ ኣይደላችሁም
    ለሰላማችን ማማዎች
    ለስልጣናችን ፈርጦች
    ለእድገታችን ዋልታዎች
    ለናጽነታችን ምንጮች።

    What we have gotten from those at the helm of power is songs like that of Bereket Mengisteab’s “cobra”. Or courtesy of Sweden entertainment in which two kids singing ተዘወሪ መኪና ተዘወሪየ and encouraging all Eritreans in diaspora to come home. Supposedly creating nostalgia so all Eritreans can go pouring into Eritrea. Really. EPLF was known for its dogmatic pragmatism. These remnants of it, the PFDJ appears to have lost that when it transitioned to a governing body; what happened to that pragmatism? Listen to Sibhar Efram’s presentation, you will see what I mean. Have you read the recent statement from Yemane at the SBS Radio Tigrinya from 7/27/18? Can you just issue policy changes? Can you institute governing documents? Can you release the unjustly imprisoned without any condition? Can you…..(you fill in the blank). A whole lot of questions, but the turtle is marching at is habitual snail pace speed. Oh, well, it is what it is.

    Good Sunday!
    Beyan

    • saay7

      Beyan:

      Did you have a chance to listen to his address to religious organization (Tewahdo and Muslims) and contrast it with his address to politicians and the people specially the Q&A?

      I have an opinion as to where is his comfort zone but I want to get yours first.

      saay

      • Beyan

        Hey Sal,

        I did watch. his Friday sermon on the Ethiopian Muslims of the Washington DC area. My impression of the PM in that regard was a mixed bag in that there were some elements where I felt he was trying to tame them into your job is to pray and pray hard, but I am a little ahead of myself. Let me start with the intro, which I thought was very effective that he used to thematize throughout the speech – very effective indeed.

        The Rahama and Baraka he derived to hit his point home from Asselam W’alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakathu what I am referring to here. Once that disarmed the audience, it was a home-run from there.

        He gently nudged the audience by making the connection between the inbred Ethiopian Islam that needs not import the Whabi version of Islam from the Gulf States without explicitly saying it. It was an excellent way of narrativizing where he separated Islam from the Arab culture through the story he told them about in how he asked the Emirati Sheikh or the Prince – too long of a title to recall from memory right now. The gist of the story is that he asked for them to help him build Islamic institute in Ethiopia. The Emirati was more than ready to oblige, to even teach Islam to Ethiopians. PM’s response was, in a nutshell, Ethiopians know their religion, they just need to learn Arabic, the Ethiopians would then go and teach the Gulf states Islam. One can’t help but draw a parallel to how we manage the official language issue in Eritrea (but that’s beside the point). But, the whole point of the PM was that Ethiopians need and should stay in their original Islamic tradition that was uniquely Ethiopian and they need not get it tampered with the Middle East version.

        The other observation I made while watching the speech is that the Ethiopian Muslims were not taken by emotions and started responding by takbeer, which would’ve been echoed by Allah wa Akbar, what have you. That would probably have taken the security apparatus in the hall nervous if the audience had gone that route. A snippet of that someone in a faint voice could be heard saying it, but nobody was in the mood to reciprocate in kind. Having lived in this country, I believe made the audience well aware in how that could be misinterpreted by the media. And, the media would’ve aired that part only mangling the entire pleasant ambiance.

        He seems to end his speeches in diaspora, so far, by asking them to contribute toward the school of the blind, which was more than an appropriate, given the topic he addressed was about giving. His observation about the five pillars, four of which being about giving of oneself to others with the exception of one, I am certain, made it easy to ask the public to help out their fellow Ethiopians who are not receiving the education, which should not a privilege but a citizen’s right. That’s a noble cause he is advancing while he is here and hope Ethiopians will heed the call.

        The caveat about the reference of Abubeker, the Ethiopian who made the gathering happen who implored the PM to show up by citing a story from the SaHabas, namely, Abubker al Siddiqi and Umar ibn Khattab was exchanged between the two, which showed that the PM’s version of the narrative matched to that of the host. Little niceties between the two. Well, since you are asking the contrast between this and the Q&A that Awate has posted above; let me listen to that and get back to you as soon as I am done. This is it for now.

        • Aligaz G

          Dear Beyan,

          The “Friday Sermon” was filled with such playful humor and delivered with masterful control. There was a wondrous oneness with the audience. Fundamental Islamic concepts were developed and delivered with poetic depth. The response was extraordinary. The laughter from the congregation was pure joy. Even the gentle but pointed admonishments were embraced by the audience starving for a political leader they can finally claim as their own. This sermon was the sweet spot or comfort zone of Abiy’s US trip so far.

          • Beyan

            Dear Aligaz,

            Indeed, PM Abiy is a smooth operator, a motivational speaker extraordinaire who would’ve made millions of dollars in this country promoting products. The man can sell you anything and you would gladly buy it from him because he is just way too charming. How that language flows out of his mind through his mouth is arresting.

            That said, I couldn’t help but feeling patronized, though I am not Ethiopian, you know, his approach of gently nudging the Muslim Ethiopians to look at what the Orthodox were able to do the other day when they reconciled their differences, you can do the same was interesting. But, it was done with great care, which you characterizing it as “gentle but pointed admonishment” I thought was an apt one.

            You know Aligaz, before the speech ended when people chanted Lemma’s name so he can address them, I thought that was a moment that made me feel that these Ethiopians make a distinction between a leader and his religion. I am sure, there are people who would have difficulty accepting someone with a name like Abiy Ahmed Ali to be a christian. I don’t know much about the Oromos religious life, but in Wollo region, it is like our Bilen, the mix between religions seemed way too common to a point of hearing christian women reciting verses from the Quran here in the US was interesting dynamism, to say the least. You live and learn, learning about Ethiopia I have been of late at a deeper level, thanks to this dynamic PM. I am still hopeful that someday in the near future we will have our moment where a dynamic leader will emerge bringing us all to euphoric tears.

            Regards,
            Beyan

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Beyan,

            Not necessary to feel patronized because Abiy (I have read self help books) is self aware unlike Janhoy (I am elect of God) or Menguistu (watch how far I throw these miranda enjore bottles) or Meles (I am Lenin reincarnated see my goatee) or Hailemariam (I am Meles reincarnated as a pente). You see Abiy knows he has achieved mass acceptance but there is anguish in his eyes. How to respond to such levels of expectations in people. The raw yearning unleashed in people is overwhelming. The repeated reminders about term limits and the excessive humility are to reorient the conversation and settle his own demons and temptations. Ethiopia hasn’t been this close to a monarchy since 1974. The Eritrean Awate forumers half in jest worries about Abiy replacing the tyrant of Asmara may really come true in Addis. King of Kings AAA. Stranger things have happened.

          • Amde

            Hi Aligaz,

            What a gem of a post haha.

            About the “mass acceptance”, I think the acid test is how Minneapolis goes. But yes, I have never seen as many “ሺ ዘመን ግዛ!!” invocations as I have seen them.

            Amde

          • Aligaz G

            Yes Amde,

            Chief instigator Beyan likes to spark 1000 plus threads and then has the nerve complain about bandwidth etc. But you are absolutely on point the revolution may hit a huge pothole in MSP. Tough crowd tough sell 40 yrs plus identities at stake. We will see if our Oromo and Somali brethren are ready to medemer.

    • abdulworld

      Hello Beyan,
      I don’t know if EPLF/PDFJ lost its dogmatic pragmatism. The reality is its role has changed. I think what you are calling pragmatism was survival mechanism and not any philosophical or mindset. If it was any mindset or movement value- it wouldn’t disappear. Also, consider the fact good section of EPLF leadership that was effective is either in prison or died.
      What you see happening with Ethiopia diaspora and Dr. Abiy- will never happen between the Eritrea Diaspora and Eritrean government.
      Eritrea was not able to sow the seed of civil society.. so it will not bear the sort fruit you see in Ethiopia and its diaspora.
      There is absolutely no reason for Eritrean government to make similar gesture. Eritrea doesn’t have citizens- it has subjects.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abdulworld and Beyan,
        Allow me to add few words on your discussion.
        Beyan, expressing your pessimism on changes, you said “but the turtle is marching at is habitual snail pace speed.” You are right. In addition, as many members of this forum reiterated in the past, eritrean regime is a regime of lost opportunities. It has accumulated too heavy mistakes, perhaps doesn’t know with which one to start. I am not looking an escape route for this regime, but to highlight that it is still in this pernicious loosing opportunity paralysing state even now. Instead of making changes, it is fearing changes as if there is a miraclous huge cataclysm that will get rid of all the problems under its own control. Briefly, it is still acting irresponsibly on the future of the country.
        Abdulworld, you said “What you see happening with Ethiopia diaspora and Dr. Abiy- will never happen between the Eritrea Diaspora and Eritrean government.” I agree with you for the reasons you gave in your response to Beyan (absence of civil society and government to -subject instead of to -citizen relationship), but also for what you mentioned earlier in your response to Saay7, i.e. Eritrea is run as a Guerrilla State…
        The diaspora to motherland relationship for Ethiopians and for Eritreans is different. The Ethiopian diaspora has a child to mother relationship that was and still is more visible on certain ethnic group, but largely shared by many others as well, although not as vocal. It is like the french’s relationship to their Republic including those from Corsica or Brittany who harbour a far placed sentiment of separation. I don’t mean this is a key factor, but it facilitates the discussion with their leaders. The Eritrean diaspora relationship to our motherland (a word that we don’t use as frequently BTW) is based on suffering, injustice, sacrifice and the protracted war of independence. On all of these we are polarized. This polarization is a hinderance to easily bring together an aggreaved society. Like you, I am not sure if the Eritrean government can rally Eritreans like PM Abiy is doing, unless our regime apologizes for all the disasters. I don’t also see the coming of a less known miraclous individual from either of the polarizing forces who could act as PM Abiy and rally the Eritrean people including its diaspora.

        • Beyan

          Gentlemen,

          Between the two of you, I was able to see penetrating ideas that afford me a chance to see the mindset of Eritrea’s so called leaders from a different angle, which is why I find the beauty in the discussions that ensue in this forum. So illuminating and so enlightening. All I will say at this time is thank you Abdulworld for your concise yet to the point entries and Haile S. for your ability to bring seemingly disparate examples that you make succinctly fit into the ideas you advance. Meanwhile, we shall wait for the turtle to move at its snail pace, leading from behind, as it were.

          Regards,
          Beyan