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Please Come and Invade Us!

A fringe racist, bigoted, and servile group has been trying hard to undo Eritrea and what its people stand for. They have been mocking the struggle for self-determination and freedom including its veterans. They were in the verge of  losing steam when the Ethiopian civil war erupted and the fringe Tigrayan groups became vocal. Their wish is to establish a “Greater Tigray” based on language segregation and they openly threaten others who do not speak their language, or do not profess similar faith as theirs, of life in a Nazi style internment or extermination.

Two possible outcomes for the Ethiopian civil war

If Eritreans did nothing and just watched from the sideline, completely neutral, there are two outcomes to the current Ethiopian civil war:

1st scenario: Abiy defeats TDF and together with Isaias, the two will make Eritreans forget who they are and why they suffered for decades. Then Eritreans will go back to where they started in 1961, due to the Ethiopian occupation.

2nd Scenario: TDF defeats Abiy and Isaias’ whose threatening chest beating gestures will slow down. Also, Abiy’s plans to reoccupy Eritrea and covet the Red Sea will be stopped, but as exhibited by several  senior Tigrayans and Ethiopians, the risk to Eritrea will still stand.

Both outcomes have a risk:

If Tigrayans defeat Isais and Abiy, both will be overthrown, their replacements might not (will most likely not) be anything better, or worse. However, installing a puppet regime that will not think or plan beyond one-month ahead is unlikely. These groups adore mayhem and are violent. Their views are crude and injected with a lot of chauvinism that would surely spark internecine conflicts.

The signals coming from their Tigrayan allies and political leaders are not assuring; the noise of the vocal Eritrean fringe group is more depressing than threatening. The only consoling words in the issue were uttered by Dr. Debretsion, the president of the Tigray government, but the militant statements and subliminal threats by other senior leaders are not assuring at all.

The Eritrean forces have participated in the aggression against Tigray, and some seem hellbent on a revenge drive against Eritrea. Tigrayans have all the right to be enraged. However, it’s preferable that they seek legal revenge through legitimate courts. On top of being a civilized approach, that will lay an excellent precedent for the savagely ruled Horn of Africa. Sadly, the Tigrayan media is agitating for a revenge aggression on Eritrea, while Eritrean collaborators are foolishly inviting a foreign army to invade Eritrea. They are not making it any better.

Not surprisingly, they are joined by the same people who always cheer for wars from a safe distance, as they did during the Baddme war in 1998-2000. Ironically, they turn a blind eye on the mistreatment of Eritreans by the rogue regime and its injustices befalling Eritreans. Like always, the fires they ignite, or fan from safe places, will not burn them. They always come out unscathed while tens of thousands of youths perish in senseless wars.

Any foreign army invading another territory is a dangerous act and I wish the hotheaded would cool down and lower their rhetoric volume. No one needs a bloody confrontation between Eritreans and Tigrayans… and ironically, that is only possible if the TDF defeats Abiy (likely?). If the TPLF acts arrogantly and ventures to invade Eritrea, it will diminish its victory. Worse, extinguishing the fires will certainly prove more difficult than it appears.

A good victory is one that humbles, not one that makes the victor arrogant. I hope the Tigrayan leadership will be humbled by any victory (if they come out victorious) and learn from their painful experience.

As for the cruelty that befell Tigrayans, I think legally speaking, they should not forget Abiy’s government has invited Isaias’ army to the Ethiopian territories. That is enough reason for Ethiopians to direct their rage on the prime minister of the country. But still, suing to address the crimes committed against them, is a legitimate.

Debts must be settled

Eritreans should do their job and bring the accused to be accountable: detaining suspects, investigating cases, and presenting their findings to a court, not a foreign power. Change in Eritrea must be made by Eritreans, no one else. Also, the rejection of Tigrayan involvement in Eritrea should not be a camouflage, or an excuse, to protect the corrupt PFDJ regime which should be uprooted. Both those who are doing the theatrics to keep the PFDJ alive, and those who want to undo the independence of Eritrea, are wrong and destructive. I wish they realize their destructive roles.

The Eritrean political scene is confused: some consider the TPLF a release pump; they never had a voice to talk about the decades long sufferings of Eritreans. Now they want to appear patriotic and concerned by screaming empty slogans. Others seem to be exploiting the situation to mend fences with the PFDJ by turning a blind eye on the internal Eritrean issues, and focusing solely towards the south.

Dr. Assefaw and his colleagues

It seems many took Dr. Assefaw Tekheste, Brig General Tekheste Haile, Amb Andeberhan and Dr. Amanuel Mihreteab as their political mules to offload all Eritrean trepidations and failures on. They tried to make sacrificial lambs of them and a good tool to atone themselves of inaction for many years, by attacking them.

It is surprising how suddenly, the stars that many interviewers raced to host have become the villains! Such is the inconsistency of the media cadres on whose sight the difference between the PFDJ and the nation is blurred.

I have no love lost for Andeberhan, but there is nothing new in his position against the TPLF or other issues, his position has always been a copy of the PFDJ’s position except that he has a serious difference with Isaias and the way he runs the party.

I have no problem with the position of my new friend Dr. Amanuel Mihretab, at all.

I have met Brig General Tekeste only for a few days, in Italy and I follow him through the media I believe he is an open, likable, and a fine patriot.

However, I know Dr. Assefaw since 2000, and he is a good friend of mine, though there are minor things that need an honest “Hsab mawerared (balancing the books),” as the Ethiopians say. But I have no problem at all with his declared position on the inter-Ethiopian conflict. In fact, I am apprehensive that what was presented in the much-publicized editorial is selective quote chosen for its shock value and not fair to Assefaw.

Now what are the slight problems I have with Dr. Assefaw, General Tekeste, and all those who are now condemning the alliance of the over-zealous Eritreans with the TPLF?

It’s because they belonged to an organization that was the trailblazers of cross-border alliances against its compatriots. Did they ever openly regret what they did then? Not quite.

Back in the beginning of the 1980s, many of Eritreans felt the same way they feeling today–the anti-PFDJ ex-EPLF veterans are feeling it only now. Just like today, the foreign power that was invited to get involved in inter Eritrea conflicts was the same TPLF. And that alliance has been continuing, on and off, since the 1980s to the year 1998. After which the EPLF started to defame others to prove it’s the only patriotic organization—it has been the most irresponsible organization and its self-serving alliances has damaged the cohesion of Eritreans. The EPLF turned PFDJ, never made a serious gesture to address the grievances of Eritreans. The only unity and equality it could offer is “a unity in submission to the PFDJ rule.”

The twisted, narrow politics they spread, and the bad seed they planted has sprouted and grown into a thorny tree. What happened in 1980s is still painful, the scars from the EPLF-TPLF alliance of the time condemned tens of thousands of Eritreans to exile, to this day. It has divided Eritreans for a good forty years and continuing.

So, without acknowledging the mistake they committed in collaboration with the TPLF, on what moral ground does anyone condemn the annoying groupies? Aren’t they simply following in their footsteps and proving to be good learners of unprincipled, exclusive, and diversionary politics of the past?

What’s haunting the Eritrean politics?

Forgive but do not forget is a golden rule. Paulo Coelho advises, “Forgive but do not forget, or you will be hurt again. Forgiving changes the perspectives. Forgetting loses the lesson.”

Personally, I do not hold any grudge, I have forgiven the harm, but I will never forget lessons I learned. Not forgetting helps me remember to prevent its repetition, hoping it will keep me alert, and teach those who are following on the destructive footsteps to change course. This is not a call to setup  confession booths; it’s all within the self. Accepting mistakes and coming to terms with it is a must. One needs to explain the mistakes, either to atone and reconcile with one’s conscience or to help heal the national wounds.

Many Eritreans have suffered because of despicable EPLF-TPLF alliance of destruction from which Eritrea is still suffering. So, I wish those who are pursuing the same strategy will back off; it’s an unhealthy path. Eritreans must do their own job, solve their own national problems if they can. If not, at least expose and shame those who want to repeat the agonies of yesteryears with their immature actions.

Regret and apology in advance

Regrettably, here, I used my friend Dr Assefaw as a springboard to call for an atonement for the old mistakes; I know he is sporty and would not mind. He knows my intention and I am confident, he will take this from a friend, but in no way do I want to use him as a political mule to load my grievances on him by cheap jabs on his reputation. Besides, he was neither a political leader making decisions, nor a military commander leading the assaults on his compatriots—he was a dedicated medical doctor doing marvels by curing the sick and the wounded. He must be proud of that—and no one can deny him that pride, it’s earned, and etched on stone.

Finally, what do the able Eritreans think about our predicament? I believe we are beyond thinking and it’s time for action. Eritrea should not be exposed to great risks because some vested interests want to protect partisan interests. Remember, if Eritrea continues the destabilizing path, under a corrupt system, there will be little left to rescue. The call has been out for a while and is still floating. Be determined, positive, forget your personal egos and narrow interests—think about the nation, about the beleaguered Eritreans. It’s time the wronged people enjoyed a genuine freedom. It’s time they regained their pride which the PFDJ gambled on. I am sure that Eritreans will win and flourish because the other name for Eritrea is Phoenix.

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • haileTG

    Merhaba Awatista,

    Does any Awatista have participated on the convention linked below?

    https://eritreahub.org/press-release-eritrea-scholars-and-professionals-gather-to-devise-a-roadmap-for-the-countrys-future

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum friends
    WAPO Opinion : US Sanctions against Eritrea are ovedue , but incomplete.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/27/us-sanctions-against-eritrea-are-overdue-incomplete/

  • Eidle

    Selam,

    The “mature” is setting of his campaign for political power in Eritrea, post TPLF victory and occupation of Eritrea, getting ahead start on his immature competition in the opposition. The title “Come please invade us” he really means it and desires it as much as those he calls immature.
    These pre written on record statements are for the purpose of being accepted by Eritreans in the future to be the PM, President, or Governor of Eritrea under the Greater Tigray umbrella. For no one has tirelessly campaigned and worked harder than the “mature”…,

    Nemel

  • Eidle

    Selam,

    The “mature” is setting of his campaign for political power in Eritrea, post TPLF victory and occupation of Eritrea, getting ahead start on his immature competition in the opposition. The title “Come please invade us” he really means it and desires it as much as those he calls immature.

    These pre written on record statements are for the purpose of being accepted by Eritreans in the future to be the PM, President, or Governor of Eritrea under the Greater Tigray umbrella. For no one has tirelessly campaigned and worked harder than the “mature”…,

    Nemel

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate community,

    Here is a new call for dialogue and mediation to stop the bloody war of Ethiopia from African intellectuals, and is titled : “An open call by African intellectuals for urgent action on Ethiopia.” Have a say.

    https://africanarguments.org/2021/08/an-open-call-by-african-intellectuals-for-urgent-action-on-ethiopia/

    Regards

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Aman H,

      It appears that Ethiopia and the region have already passed into a new geo-political (internal and external) phase and the situation will no longer go to the way it was. Ethiopia’s inability to dislodge TDF from places outside Tigray after almost over two months shows that there is no longer a sufficient military strength at its disposal to reverse the new realities it face. The PMAA-IA alliance can’t be maintained for long as the IA regime is swimming against the tide of international opinion* and may likely buckle under further punitive measures threatened by the US. Although, the request for dialog is a very standard and to be expected, the situation seems to have moved on and may not be enough to slow down the fast moving train of wreckage and destruction. It is hard to see anyone other than the US who can enforce things at this stage.

      • Abi

        ኃይልሽ
        Ethiopia can and will dislodge the TDF anytime it wants from the Amhara lands. It rather chose to bury TDF far away from the rat hole it left.
        ያልሰማው ሲመጣ የሰማው ሲሞት
        እንደጎርፍ ፎክሮ የውሃ ሙላት
        አሸዋ ውስጥ ቀረ በአፋር እሳት
        በድመት ተበላ ቀዥቃዣው ህወሃት
        ተንቀዥቅዦ ገብቷል አይቻል መውጣት
        እንግዲህ ምን ይሁን ታላቁ ኃይላት!!
        ይትጋ እንደቀድሞው በፆም በፀሎት
        ጉልበቱ እስኪላጥ ቀንና ሌሊት
        ሰውነቱ አልቆ ይቅር በአጥንት
        ድንገት ቢሰማው ዩኤስ አጋንንት

        • haileTG

          Abichu!

          ኣይይ ዘንድሮ በቀረርቶ ልትፈጁን ነው
          እንደው ልሣንህን ግን ምከረው
          ከእርግማን ባርክበት በለው
          ኣፍህ የሚለውን ጆሮህ ስለሚሰማው።

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ወያኔን ከመባረክ አፌ ተዘግቶ ቢቀር እመርጣለሁ::

      • Mez

        Dear Haile TG,
        No wonder that your entry above is based on your fallacious mathematical logic from the other day.
        Thanks

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mez,

          Mr Facts, could you pls show us your true mathematical logic, if his argument is from fallacious mathematical logics? Display your depth of knowledge, if you have any, to sway us in your debate. Two line of statements is not arguments like you did to me last time,

          Regards

          • Mez

            Good day Amanuel H,
            1) “…disapproval statements…” yes, that was what I intended–in both cases.
            2) are you interested in knowledge market?, good then please accept the offer by Hashela a little while ago. No redundancy is needed here.
            3) Depth of knowledge on tplf, pia, pmaa led conflict?
            Sure, with no preconceptions the tplf: 3.1) shall enter negotiation with the amhara regional state on disputed woredas and boundary lines.
            3.2) accept the demarcation with eritrea without any preconceptions as is decided by an international court two decades ago.
            3.3) mobilize and give priority to feed the hungry people; in tigray and elsewhere.
            4) device a policy to remove the aid (usaid) wheet handout addiction. This was going on for the last 50 years….two generations.
            5) stop this madness of war mongering.

            Thanks

          • haileTG

            Hi Mez,

            You need power to dictate terms of surrender, as it looks that is what your demand is. The other side has counter lists in such strictly self serving bases as yours. No compromise, no peace. The loss of life is intense, Ethiopians must help themselves to pull back.

          • Mez

            Dear Haile TG,
            1) Very funny.
            2) you started now writing without thinking.
            3) FYI, my distances from pia, pmaa, and tplf are equal. Angle of deviation too.
            4) no “self serving” on my side. For what purpose may shall I have to it? None.
            Thanks

          • haileTG

            Hello Mez,

            Understood. Self serving was meant one side of the conflict, I am not presuming about you per se. We had a stand in Eritrea that said “woyane should leave Badime”. However, due to lack of power to enforce it, the call was largely ignored for all this time. Many other countries have suchlike scenarios. My question is: what way out can you see as a bases of optimism? BTW I tried to write with thinking, but as I said this war is stupid, hard to offer anything to one side before the other is threatening to kill itself.

          • Mez

            Dear Haile TG,
            Please don’t take things lightly. After saying that, to reflect on this war openly–all things compiled–tigrians are in a deep sleep; a sort of hallucination. And the eventual solution lies somewhere here….

            Thanks

          • haileTG

            Hi Mez,

            All things considered, Tigrayans are predominantly on side of TDF. PMAA has ruled out talks with TDF. TDF has rejected AU/Obasanjo as a mediator but open for talks. PMAA rejects any mediation. If the solution isn’t somewhere in Addis, it ain’t in Mekelle either. The only possibility is IA might have taken it to Asmara along the pots and pans he lifted from Tigray.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. You say ‘All things considered, Tigrayans are predominantly on the side of TDF’? On what basis do you make such a TPLF spawned statement? Are you including Tigrayan refugees in Sudan and Eritrea or those that have fled to other parts of Ethiopia?

          • haileTG

            Dongolo!

            You keep throwing surprising facts but don’t expand on them. Tigrayan refugees in Eritrea? This is news, please explain. For your question, I base my statement on PMAA address to Ethiopians on his withdrawal[read loss of] Mekelle. Now, I want to know about:

            1 – The attacks on western flanks in the last two days

            2 – Tigrayan refugees in Eritrea.

            Those in Sudan include ex Tigrayan peace keepers, most of those refugees including in the west are pro TDF.

          • Dongolo

            Selam HaileTG. LOL. So, now you wish to rely on what PMAA said to support your assertion that Tigrayans are predominantly on the side of TDF? I’m not really disagreeing with your assertion but rather the basis that you derived it from. You walk and talk as though you are TPLF.
            Regarding Tigray refugees in Eritrea, albeit small in numbers and by any other name, have been there for a while with the last wave coming in November (most reportedly came from Wukro area). Regarding attacks on western flank ‘In a related development, the terrorist group has launched a military operation in North Western Ethiopia – where it has been attempting to get access to Sudan’
            https://borkena.com/2021/08/27/debre-zebit-tplf-force-came-under-heavy-shelling-from-defense-force/

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            If TDF/TPLF people or other external parties say that about me, that would be fair. But you or anyone sharing your views, can say that and it carries little weight.

            If your political stands are as simple as an on and off switch, then it is TPLF OR NO TPLF. And there is no otherv way. P

          • Mez

            Good day Haile TG,
            1) “…tigrians are predominantly on the side of tplf/TDF”, 1.1) I think your observations are correct. That is why I concluded above: tigrians are hallucinated.
            2) for tplf, it may be more urgent to initiate conversation with the amhara regional state, and the eritrean government on pressing localized issues. Pmaaa is becoming a junior partner in the conversations as the time goes.
            3) I suspect a solution may prop up from mekele, bahirdar, or Asmara. For sure not from addis.
            Thanks

          • haileTG

            Good day Mez too!

            Yes the solution is not in Addis, that is the scariest part of the situation. Can this be consistent with symptoms of a failed state syndrome?

            EPRDF controlled 95% of Ethiopia’s parliament. PP booted it out and controlled 95% of the same parliament now. By definition, this would be diagnosed as coup, except that it only severed the body, not the head. Hence, the head has now fully regenerated its body and additional tentacles.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            You can’t hide your excitement to see a failed state except you don’t openly tell the forum, just like iSem LLC did, that you are praying about it.

          • Mez

            Dear Haile TG,
            “….failed state…”

            Yes, we are knocking that door since years; thanks to the inconsistency and hypocrisy of tplf.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            Here you go: “tigrians are in deep sleep.” Do you mean they are in deep sleep while their mothers and sisters are gang raped, the youth being slaughtered and thrown by the mountains and rivers, and their properties being looted and pillaged? I think the tigrians are responding against the atrocities of the invaders in unison – some becoming the degen and as some in the actual battlefield. I don’t think your characterization of “deep sleep” is not true for those who are watching the war theater in a virtual world.

            Regard

          • Mez

            Good day Amanuel H,
            Yes tigrians are in a deep sleep hallucinated by tplf.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            Actually you are in a “deep sleep” yourself dreaming the demise of TDF, while the war realities on the ground are not in the picture of your mind. They are now in the vicinity of Wollo, heading to join the war front with the OLF in the borders of Oromia and Amara regions. Pls be advised and know what you are talking.

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            1) I have no qualm seeing tplf as a political force; as long as it stays with a fair game rule.
            2) In regards to the tplf initiated conflict–as time passes, it will mainly be (more and more) decided by the amhara regional state, and Eritrean Defence institutions. That is where it all approximately started. Now things seems to be matured. Hence the decisive conflict.
            3) thank you for your brotherly advice. Very kind of you.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            አብ ቅድሚ ዓይንና መንግስቲ ኣብይ ይፈርስ አሎ። ዘይሕለም አይትሕለም። አብ ባይታ ዘሎ ሓቂ ሪዒምካ ጥራይ ምኻድ እዪ።

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            That is what you say.
            Thanks

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            Your above messages seems to be cloned from somewhere.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            I don’t know the warning words of the Secretary General of the UN is a cloned message. But it is echoed from the head office of the UN.

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            1) Yes that is cloning,
            2) plagiarism at the same time.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez (PFDJ clone)

            When you are regurgitating the policy of PFDJ day and night, does it make you a clone of PFDJ and a plagiarist? Then you help me to call you a PFDJ clone. Thank you, you make it my day.

          • Mez

            Greetings Amanuel H,

            If I would, I could.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez (PFDJ clone),

            I am telling you, that you are a clone of the gang rapist PFDJ.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG (aka Paulos). You say “We had a stand in Eritrea that said ‘woyane should leave Badime’. However, due to lack of power to enforce it, the call was largely ignored for all at the time,” Why wouldn’t you say that the EEBC final and binding decision awarded Badme to Eritrea but Ethiopia (TPLF) refused to adhere? And no, not ‘many other countries have suchlike scenarios’ wherein an international boundary commission has been involved and rendered a final and binding decision. Bases of optimism? Your TPLF has teathered supply lines and that is why a couple of days ago they launched a desperate assault on their western flank; if they fail, they will gradually shrivel like a raisin.

          • haileTG

            Hi Dongolo,

            Paulos??..let’s hope he hears you and pays us visit:-) Going forward, how do you see the border issue resolved?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Why didn’t argue against the despot when he said the Ethiopian issue is his priority than border? Rather asking to those who have no any power to implement it.

          • leGacY

            Hello Mez,
            “ FYI, my distances from pia, pmaa, and tplf are equal. Angle of deviation too.”

            Good thing about your writing style is that it helps us count how many unimportant points you make.
            So, 4 unhelpful points.

          • Mez

            Hi leGacY,
            I am happy you gleaned something from my entry.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            I don’t think this is a rebut to Haile-TG’s argument, you dare to characterize as fallacious argument by any stretch of imagination. Actually, this is an opinionated wish that does not reflect on the realities of the ground. I don’t see any depth of knowledge that counter Haile-TG’s all round depth of knowledge. Sometimes humility does the trick to recognize the truth.

            But aside of that, I will try to respond to your points of argument in the order you put it:

            1,2,3 are addressed in the intro of my comments.

            3.1 Yes the Tigray government will enter negotiation with their preconditions – that includes the status sque ante on the borders arranged by the Federal arrangement. It means all forces of occupation should withdraw to their borders.

            3.2 – Yes they should abide on the delimitation (it is not demarcated yet), provided if they don’t agree on the need of adjustment to address the complains of the inhabitants in the central region.

            3.3 – Agree. Hopefully the imbecile PM and the beast DIA will stop their hostilities.

            4 – The issue of Aids and handouts depend on the economic realities of Ethiopia. After all, African countries are surviving by Aids and handouts.

            5 – Yes agree PMAA and DIA have to stop this madness of war, their ethnic cleansing, and the pillaging they are doing against the people of Tigray,

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            Overall a good tryout. Your approach seems to be more of a shout-out theater.

            On point 3.2) the boarder line is virtually demarcated!! A big difference to what you understood. Moreover, even in the last three years tplf didn’t see the need to reflect and concede on that.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            No my friend. It isn’t shout-out-theater. It is a debate. If you have something to flash out in your ideas to convince the rest of us, the floor is always open.

            But, how could you miss this:

            Delimitation = virtually demarcated

            Virtually demarcated is created by the Eritrean regime to avoid actual demarcation on the ground. Because it contradict with his project.

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            Virtual demarcation is one step further. Will be done with much high resolution.

            Delimitation is one or more steps lower in the document’s pertnance.

            At least in the last couple of years tplf did no visible action towards peace.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            In order to debate honestly and realistically leave out your own world and join in to our common world, to make sense on what is going on into our rotating and revolving world. There is no real difference between delimitation and virtual world. The “virtual” is a language used by cartographers when they practically are on the process of demarcating on the ground with their technical instruments to get high resolution in order to post their pillars. It is not a step up or step down between delimitation and demarcation as you try to talk with the language of your deceiving regime. To help your self pls read a journal article by Lantera Anebo “The fallacy of virtual demarcation as a primary scheme of International land boundary setting” at:

            Willamette Journal of International Law and Dispute Resolution Vol. 24, No. 2 (2017), pp. 257-295 (39 pages) Published By: Willamette University College of Law

            Don’t try to deceive yourself and by extension to others.

            Regard

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            This is even better. There is only shortage of willing parties to complete the boundary issue.

            So pia, tplf, and pmaaa have now no reason to extend this further.

            Our motto shall be finish the half done work; and open the boarder for business.

            thanks

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. So you wish to negate the fact that the TPLF refused Federal orders to withdraw from Badme following PMAA/PIA peace agreement in favor of a student ran law journal from a law school ranked 147th out of 193rd in the U.S.?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Let me reverse the question to you: why did the despot say the border demarcation is not his priorities, rather the Ethiopian problem was his priorities? Then I will answer your question.

            There was a possibilities of demarcating the border before the concerted effort in the preparations of the war from both government, when they had talking in good term with the leadership of TPLF and Abiy in early in early their meeting on the borders both in the Zalamessa areas and Humera areas. It was doable around that time and the UN welcomed it and were ready to help them in the implementation. Be serious in our engagement, don’t do it for the sake of engagement without the fact in your hand.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. You keep blowing the same poppycock 20+ years running. Plain and simple: All the TPLF had to do was withdraw from Badme. Add on the big difference during PMAA, in that the TPLF flat out refused to follow federal orders to withdraw.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Once EDF occupy Badme, why do they continue inside Tigray to kill civilians and loot properties, if the issue was Badme? Don’t be damn and ask us damn questions, for God sake.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. You have a lot of gall to ask about EDF presence in Tigray while the TPLF (inc TDF) and their Eritrean opposition sympathizers have been engaging in saber rattling behavior and promoting the idea of a TPLF invasion of Eritrea, while at the same time, strongly maintaining that the TPLF’s cowardly attack on Ethiopia’s Northern Command, was justified as ‘preemptive’. On top of that, you wish to portray TPLF/TDF as angelic and totally free of wrongdoing compared to EDF, which simply ain’t the case. Your question to me about what PIA said? Why ask me? Simply because I criticize the TPLF? Please don’t confuse being critical of the TPLF, or protective of Eritrea’s sovereignty & national interests, to infer that one is a PIA/PFDJ supporter cuz because that is simply wrong. PIA says a lot of off-the-wall crap that I don’t agree with, for which oftentimes, must be taken with a grain free of salt, given the context within which it is said.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            The reason I asked those questions is b/c they will answer to your baseless arguments and questions. Still I am telling you to have the guts to answer those questions and don’t avoid them to have a meaningful engagement. Otherwise, I will shut the doors of our exchanges.

        • haileTG

          Greetings Mez,

          It is the reality itself stupid, very hard to please everyone. Speaking on Ethiopia wide, a powerful but unpopular TDF, is contending with a charismatic but weak PMAA. The level of violence and destruction has been greater than any in Ethiopian history. Sorry, my Mathematical magic box has crashed:)

          But, seriously Mez, please share your bases of optimism, it can mean a lot to many. I mean we all know emotions are high in Ethiopia, and I understand if you Speaking from that angle. Putting my foot on an Ethiopian shoe, it must be the saddest time in history. Hopefully, there is a way out.

          • Mez

            Dear Haile YG,

            1) “…a powerful but unpopular TDF (read tplf)…”
            Mr. TG, be serious! please. Come to your sense!!
            1.1) I never saw and heard powerfulness while over 2 million of it’s (6 million
            residing) population are on perpetual aid handout. Just see the pertinent documents over the past five decades.
            2) “…share your bases of optimism…” Tplf was a dynamic and timely leftist popular movement with its core in the peasantry and also urbanist kids. 2.1) Tplf shall have to look into its origin and ponder from there.
            2.2) please also have a glance on my conversation with Amanuel H.
            Thanks

          • Kaddis

            Mez hoy,
            Ethiopian hungry and under perpetual whatever stands at 17million to 21 million …why you want to read Tigray instead of Ethiopia god knows

          • Mez

            Hi Kaddis,

            You mean you tplf will feed perpetually one third of tigrian population and still boast to be the best warrior in africa?? please enlighten those who are interested in, what tplf did to route out aid addiction: a) in the proper tigray,
            b) in the rest of the county while it can.
            c) with the numbers and trailer information on my side, I will revisit soon.
            Thanks

          • Kaddis

            Mez hoy,

            Ethiopia was on top of every headline for its top economic growth not hunger during tplf ( aid was part of the economy, yes, so what? its how the global economy towards Africa is designed)

            Eritrea lies about its aid addiction and you buy that – good for you

            I prefer to get help ( for 7-14% of the 100 mln population, during TPLF ) and push the economy rather than lie and starve your entire sawa generation. Ask my clueless Adissaba friends who went to Asmara during the hey days to surprisingly find out people take bread with government permission… for 30 years …
            Ethiopia lived well and saw our potential during the last 30 tplf years …no one can take that away …and you can’t make up your lost 30 years too …keep trying

          • Mez

            Hi Kaddis,

            I requested data. Once I received I will be back to you–on the damage of aid addiction.

            Thanks

          • Kaddis

            Hi Mez –
            I am hiring a consultant to collect the data – you can apply –
            Qeldegna

          • Mez

            Dear kaddis,
            That is super. Now we can talk. This will be a monumental help. please upload that to awate foundation and let us know.
            Thanks

          • leGacY

            Hi Kaddis,

            You don’t know till it is gone. We are closing embassies to save nickel n dimes .
            The sad part is that many are finally coming to the realization that with all its shortcomings TPLF was the best thing that ever happened to Ethiopia .

            They introduced the concept of “no war no peace” to international diplomacy.

            They introduced the first ever ethnically oriented constitution in the world .

            They changed the course of the Nile that has given birth to Egyptian Civilization.

            They also laid the foundation for sustainable economic growth by allowing nascent industries to develop before they are introduced to alien competition.

            All these were within the confines of navigating competing interests of over a 100m people.

            And now ,they have proven to the rest of the world that they are the best military elites in the entire content .

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            It takes a Great mind to pretend sad for Ethiopia and promote TDF at the same time.
            Well played!

          • haileTG

            Abichu

            Thank goodness for your timely intervention sir! Your very point is the tragedy called current Ethiopia. In reality, myself, the non-Ethiopian, seem to be the only one speaking for Ethiopia Unless you have declared Tigray independent against its wishes:)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Tigray is an independent and rogue country dangerous for its neighbors.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam haile TG and Aman,

        It might be an overstating of what the US government can or cannot do about Ethiopia. Its continents wide involvement and the fortunes and misfortunes its global role has incurring has overburdened the America people materially and psychologically. Consequently, the highly fatigued domestic mood has observably been compounded by major geopolitical challenges across the globe.

        Sitting at the center of the Horn of Africa region, Ethiopia is not free from being a field of interplay of other global competitors. The Chinese have been silently and pragmatically entrenching in Ethiopia. This very fact, may not enable the USA to single handedly deal with the current situation. It is aware that imposing anything on either one of the protagonists would open the pandora’s box of uncontrollable ethnic rebellions that in turn pave the way for whoever may want to undo its unilateral engagement. That is why, I think, the USA has clearly been inclining toward involving regional organizations and smaller allies.

        In my mind, thus, the only way the USA can tread appears to be either allying with one side (at least surreptitiously) and turning the balance of the hot war in favor of one side, and create a condition for ceasing the shooting and resorting to talking, or working to engineer an international partnership on equal footing with other strategic stakeholders through the UN system, and collectively stir the Ethiopian to muster some sanity and negotiate on their common future, and avoiding slowly ruining their country.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo & Haile-TG,

          Here is a press release from the Eritrean intellectuals and professionals who had a symposium in Washington DC. One could expect that these group of intellectuals to include the current crises of Ethiopia in their agenda, in which the Eritrean regime is involved in the civil war of Ethiopia. My guess is, they left it aside knowing that they will not come unified to have a position on the issue. They don’t even talk about how to strengthen the struggle against the regime. It is strange. But it somehow indicates how divided we are on how to fight the regime and its policies. So their talk was all about everything after the fall of the regime when some one cleared the way for them. Very strange.

          https://eritreahub.org/press-release-eritrea-scholars-and-professionals-gather-to-devise-a-roadmap-for-the-countrys-future

          Regard

    • Brhan

      It seems the search for a good mediator has become problematic.

      Kenya, Niger, and Tunisia, the three African countries representing Africa in the UNSC, called for peace talks. Also, they called the Ethiopian parliament to erase the terrorism designation from TPLF as preparation for the peace talks. AU has named the former Nigerian president O. Obasanjo to lead the peace initiative. AU’s profile with the US and the EU is high, and the West will pressure both sides of the war to accept the AU initiative. TPLF is not comfortable with the AU: AU has not yet acknowledged the genocide in Tigray, says Getachew Reda. Ethiopia has not yet reacted to this AU initiative.

      • haileTG

        Mehaba Brhan,

        There is no nice way to say this but both sides still see tactical/strategic advantage in making one more push this way or that way. It appears that the military stakes need to play out first. I understand this may not be the desired outcome to the civilians caught in it.

        • Brhan

          Merhaba haileTG

          Yes. TDF explains the day-to-day battles in a detailed report, including numbers. No neutral side is verifying this, though. The Ethiopian side has nothing to say. So if one is openly speaking about his victories and the other side is mum, it tells one thing, and the one who is hardly saying about the day-to-day events does not want his losses to be known.

          But this situation won’t continue, and one of the sides, especially the TDF, will invite a foreign journalist to the battlefield. Or the Ethiopian side, at least to show, for example, how it is defending cities like Dessie from the advance of TDF.

          Do you think that the red line for the Ethiopian government can be Dessie?

        • Dongolo

          Selam haileTG. Suffocate TPLF supply lines and politically ‘manage’ the humanitarian side; it then it turns into a waiting game for the TPLF to shrivel.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Brhan (ኩሉ ብርሃን),

        Abiy Ahmed is on shopping mediators. Now he is on an official visit to Kenya, Uganda, and Rwanda. He rejected the US and EU proposals. He is looking from AU or African countries. African countries who hasn’t any leverage to any sorts of African problem don’t think will get any solution. Mediation can only come from countries that has the ability to exert carrots and sticks on the protagonists. African solutions to African problems has never been realistic solutions and will never bring realistic solution with their current realities. Because they always took sides with the “central government” no matter what the nature of the problem are. All African leaders have similar problems only differ in the magnitude of the problem. Me think!

        Regard

        • Dongolo

          Selam Amanuel H. You say that ‘African Solutions to African Problems has never been realistic solutions and will never bring realistic solution with their current reality’. What about ECOWAS?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            ECOWAS is the same like IGAD in East Africa, organized for economic development and trade. Unfortunately, you are not attentive on the debate. The debate is about conflict resolution in contest the Ethiopian domestic bloody conflict . What has to do ECOWAS with conflict resolution. I hope you recall the civil war in Liberia, one of the ECOWAS member countries. The ECOW Organization didn’t find any conflict resolution for their members, as IGAD to day couldn’t get a conflict resolution for its member country Ethiopia. Bring one example any African Organizations or African countries, that had brought a successful conflict resolution to any conflict ridden African countries in our memories.

            Regard

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. What about ECOWAS role in Gambia? My comment was in reply to ‘African solutions to African problems’; you didn’t mention Ethiopia specifically in this passage.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            You need to go back to read my comment. It talks about mediation and Abiy’s trip to African counties looking for African mediators. So Ethiopia is mentioned by implicit.

            Second, is the invasion of allied forces of Senegal, Ghana, and Nigeria for Gambia to kick out Jamah from power is a conflict resolution in your book? It is not in my book. Military solution is not conflict resolution. Is Eritrea’s intervention in the civil war of Ethiopia for the same sole purpose?

            Regard

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. Eritrea’s intervention? Had the terrorist TPLF simply complied with federal orders and withdrew from Badme (not to mention launched missiles) there would then be no reason for Eritrean involvement; borders could have remained open and both Ethiopia (including Tigray) and Eritrea would have greatly benefitted economically. The core of Tigray people’s current suffering has the TPLF as it’s root cause.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            I don’t think it will happen then. TDF military strategist excel in the execution of the war against the invading army so far. Second the entire Tigray population is mobilized with full support to the war effort. If you have seen the intercepted meeting of the military command, you could hear in the exchange the depleted moral of Ethiopian army. The difference in moral and commitment to the extent giving their ultimate sacrifice makes the difference in the war. That is what we are observing from the outcome of the war.

            Second the sacrifice of our youth in this meaningless war is simply a waste of lives to satisfy the beast and his cohorts like yourself. Any death of our young attributed from this senseless war of invasion will reverberate as part of the black Eritrean history for Generations.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel H. I believe that you are confused with who is the ‘invading army’; especially these days, and as a result of the TPLF realized desperation that their supply lines are being cut.

          • iSem

            Hi Dongolo and Emma:
            Dongolo:
            You always ask the wrong question: about TPLF causing the suffering of its ppl, to some extent, yea, for not seeing the danger, they put them through this. But you to say this without ever mentioning that the untold suffering of Eritreans is under the PFDJ: worse than Dergi, definitely worse than HS, worse than Italians and others.
            Emma: I still think that if TDF does not finish this war soon, there danger for them to be in the same position they were 8 months ago. Time is of essence before the invaders consolidate and cure their damage and by “finish this war”, I mean make Ethiopia ungovernable. Sorry Abi and Ethiopians in this forum, it is not personal, it is about the survival of a people, no hard feelings. No ppl deserve to be annihilated
            And Dongolo: this obsession with demarcated, I wish TPLF made peace, but that Badme crap is not the reason IA is dismantling Ertirea, it is because it is in his DNA and the DNA of his pantheon of psychopaths to do so, to quote Sal, a bird gotta fly, PFDJ gotta inflict suffering, Donglo gotta always be on the wrong side

          • haileTG

            Haha iSem…

            I can see saay lowering his reading glasses and re-reading:

            “to quote Sal, a bird gotta fly, PFDJ gotta inflict suffering, Donglo gotta always be on the wrong side”

            run as fast as you can, saay on the way:-)

          • iSem

            Hi HaileTG:
            You are right, he will start his comment by saying””Ala iSem” 🙂

          • Abi

            iSem
            No hard feelings at all. Kids and senile diaper wearing adults can wish and pray for anything including the disintegration of Ethiopia.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Brhan Arkey!

        Here is a view:


        Rashid Abdi
        @RAbdiAnalyst
        ·
        8h
        Dilemma: A negotiated peaceful settlement to Tigray hinges not just on calculations of Tigray government, PM Abiy and Amhara state. It primarily hinges on what Afewerki considers favourable outcome.
        For Afewerki and Abiy a settlement that retains TPLF in power is unacceptable.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          I think Rashid view is quite correct. I think any settlement that brings TPLF to power will eventually lead to the removal of Abiy. After that the removal of IA. I think that’s the general view and believe of everyone who is supporting TPLF, including you HaileTG, General Migbay or Getachew Reda.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Yes, I think that is a fair assessment. But the question is that how can such a solution be achieved on the ground? We can say that TPLF is one among many contenders for the Tigray regional government seat, thus they should accept the Tigray government. However, it is clear that TPLF is the dominant and influential political force in Tigray and wouldn’t be realistic to see it as anything other than the government of Tigray in essence. So, if TPLF can’t be eliminated, does that imply IA/PMAA will?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            IA can stand any pressure from external and I don’t know Abiy can. If Abiy can stand it like IA, and Ethiopians are willing to put up with, IA plays long game of do nothing until opportune time comes.
            * That’s is allowing Tigray access of humanitarian and other essentials, with strict control of other such as military equipments.

            I think, they will believe frustration will set in eventually and their support will phase down.

            * Like allowed flight from UAE, from Addis to Mekelle.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            These are very strange days and unusual circumstances. Does IA have the same resistance capacity as in the past? Especially if PMAA is removed or enters into a government of unity that includes TPLF? IA was able to resist pressure because the Eritrean people were able to put up with so much of the consequences of the pressure. With the current level of widespread opposition to his regime, diplomatic crisis and potential military threat, he may not be in his prime shape as in the hey days. PMAA would be unlikely to sustain huge pressure because Ethiopia’s internal reality doesn’t permit him to go the IA way. So, I say strange because without IA, PMAA will have real military vulnerability, without PMAA, IA will have real politico-military vulnerability. The cause, i.e. TPLF, also seems here to stay politically and militarily. Mez has made the remark earlier today that the solution is not in Addis Ababa. That is a serious situation with far reaching implication for Ethiopia as a whole – and regionally too.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I think TPLF doesn’t know to to do risk analysis really, I mean it. Power is not about getting to power, but what the power that collective people are allowing to have. Sometimes it works, because the people are not able to overcome fear, but if that’s broken, there is nothing any government or military can ever do about it.

            The case ofIA and EDF

            It’s now how IA is powerful or not but the greater risk that is being spewed daily from Tigray (if they are from TPLF or not I don’t know) but it makes no difference. For example, the other day I showed you TDF dancing to the tune “we are heading to Eritrea” song. None of you those who are trying hard to assure us, TPLF alliance is good for Eritrea, dare to say a word about it. You guys keep trying to cover their mishap but another one pops us, like the Doctor /General or someone else. Yesterday I read this new thing called ትንሳኤ ብሄረ ዓባይ ትግራይ where it says describing its boarders, it recognized Tigray as it was prior to 1890 and says the following:
            1) ብደቡብ እስካብ አለውሃ
            2) ብምዕራብ ላማልሞን ሱዳንን
            3) ብምብራቅን ሰሜንን እስክብ ቀይሕ ባሕሪን ምድርን ዘጠቃለለ እይ::

            You say they are fringe elements but they keep popping. Yesterday you said, “Tigray will not colonize Eritrea, as you try to explain”ጥር ኢልካ ኡካለ: ሸለል ኢለ ሓሊፈያ እዛ እዝጋምቤቲ:)

            What I am trying to say is, as long as things keep popping up that threaten the sovereignty of Eritrea, Eritreans get united and stick with EDF (not necessarily IA) as a force that will ensure that will never happened however remote.

            Hint: Learn from Abiy try to peaceful way out and they will do anything to return the favour. What Tigray needs is unlimited access to sea via Massawa and create a good neighbourly relationship to trade and thrive.

            The case of Abiy and Amhara
            Suppose Abiy have no support from the rest of Ethiopians but only got support from Amhara. You need to ask this question to evaluate the risk? Do you think the Amhara population will be forced to accept TPLF led government in power in Ethiopia today? In other words, can you convince Ras Abi to accept things the way they were?

            My assessment is, a definite NO. They have crossed the Rubicon. If all Amhara are behind Abiy, he can weather the storm and survive.

            So personal I don’t see a quick solution, and it becomes a war of attrition.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            Couple of weeks ago I said that this university has become a breeding and nurturing center for Agazian movement. አንታ ሱቅ በል!! አቶ ሳለህ ተቆጡኝ:: እኔም ዝም! ጭጭ!
            Look at the current and past discussions where one group promoting the Agazian ideology while defending it as a fringe theory that no one should be worried about, and the other group that believes Agazian is a real threat.

            Regarding the ሂሳብ ማወራረድ ዘመቻ, the longer it dragged, the lesser number of Tigreans remain alive or in one piece. Tigray population will be reduced by more than half of its residents before what it was prior the lightning attack on the NC.
            I strongly believe Getachew Reda , LLC wants to keep the casualties higher and higher by sending more and more tigreans far from their ደጀን::
            Don’t get me wrong here. I care less about what happens to them.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            የት ጠፋህ: ዘመትክ ‘ንዴ?
            You reminded me of a promise I didn’t keep. Finding the interview was time consuming because it was published when we had a server malfunction and the archives were mixed up. But it was a challenge I had to take. Good news is I found it and I will republish it soon. That way I honor my promise.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            This is what I am saying all along, in practice only two camps are allowed:

            “…..None of you, those who are trying hard to assure us, TPLF alliance is good for Eritrea, dare to say a word about it.”

            “….threaten the sovereignty of Eritrea, Eritreans get united and stick with EDF (not necessarily IA) as a force that will ensure that will never happen however remote.”

            BTW, I have never promoted alliance with TPLF or anyone. I am also absorbing such ezgambieti because you haven’t heard me say that but the narrow divide allows for such things to be done to eachother.

            As to any idea that pops up in Tigray, so long as the allow views to be aired, it works well for them because it sends Eritrean opposition camp on a tailspin. That is a less headache for them when they deal a blow to defeat Eritrea.

            As to my idea about such things is that, Eritrea was conceived and created against a potential risk of an invasion by Ethiopia with all its resources and population. Not a risk of invasion by smaller and less resourced Tigray. That problem is PFDJ through and through. If Tigray is such a threat, then we can forget of Eritrea when they make peace with the PMAA. Berhe, I am telling you, we could have defended Eritrea against Ethiopia proper, but thanks to the dangerous closing off of political spaces in Eritrea, I can share your fear that there will not be much resistance from Eritrea. Actually, far from resistance, the last I heard was that a group of Eritreans called mahber segeneyti donating $100,000 USD to the Tigray govt. I say that dismissal of the other as PFDJ/TPLF (I cnow there are some and easy to tell), does far more damage to national unity than a threat from the outside. I don’t think EDF has received half of the above by concerned Eritreans. We are not comparing Eritrean vs Tigrayans donations to their respective side. We are looking at Eritreans breaking off and materially helping the other.

            In truth, Tigray as a threat to a peaceful and democratic Eritrea is next to nothing. Ethiopia as a whole, well I can’t say because Ethiopia can muster the diplomatic, military and legal avenues in its top shape and we will not beat it unless we stand as one.

            I hope this makes sense, else I will edit it later.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            It’s interesting you said this.

            As to any idea that pops up in Tigray, so long as they allow views to be aired, it works well for them because it sends Eritrean opposition camp on a tailspin. .

            I said interesting because I read your well thought out comment to SG latest negarit, with regards to the pop up shops. Why would they want to send Eritrean opposition on a tailspin (where some Eritreans opposition foolishly advocating, alliance against one enemy) if they are on the same side.

            I will give you two example:

            1) The group called ብሄር ትንሳኤ ዓባይ ትግራይ was posted by Amanuel Dawa who started the yiAkle challenge. He was promoting fighting one enemy with alliance with TPLF and he posted this post with መጠንቀቅታ.
            2) ሰልጠነ from Tefetawi Talk Show posted this today: ንሕና ኤርትራውይን ሽግርና ኤርትራን ኤርትራውነትን ዘይኮነስ ህግድፍን እከይ ግብሩን ሕጎ ኣልቦነትን ጥራይሽእዩ:: ንዝወደቀ ገርብ ፋስ ይበዝሖ ከም ዝብሀል : እቶም ዝወደቅና መሲልዎም ፋስ ሒዞም ዝጎዩ ዘለዉ : ተዓንቂፍና እምበር አይወደቅናን: ተመለሱ ከይትኸስሩ::

            You probably know SelTene, but he was one of the most vocal supporter of Tigray and advocating against the war. I don’t know his post was all about but I can pretty much guess it’s what you alluded to “take Eritreans opposition on a tailspin”. I share these examples because even the most vocal supporters are being turned off and it will be a matter of time before they switch sides. BTW, this plan is inline to why many opposition blame TPLF / EPRDF for being ineffective because every time they make progress they throw a wrench, so it does not surprise me at all.

            As to the donation you mentioned, I think it’s what we should be proud off. I am sure the intention is for rebuilding to help those in need. I would be very much surprised if it’s to help TDF so that they can invade Eritrea.

            Ethiopia threat:
            I think this is a long shot. I say this because, Ethiopians have managed to see and experience the Eritrean people for themselves. I know most people know them for good manners, hard work, loving and generous people but the TPLF /EPRDF negative narration was spread wide that people were in shock when they truly found out for real. If anything the Abiy / Isayas peace brought up, it exposed TPLF cruelty to the core and the majority of Ethiopian people really sympathize what Eritreans have to endure all these years. I know I sound PFDJisque but that’s the feeling today.

            So unity etc us just a good wish but I believe mutual respect is what most people would want to have. You saw it during Eritrean soccer players arrival and welcome and support they got.

            In simple terms, they have accepted it and there is no turning back the clock. But most importantly, they have witnessed in real time what EDF is capable of in real time.

            On a lighter note, PFDJ is actually trying to change hearts and minds of many Ethiopians by inviting notable Ethiopian YouTubers who are ardent Eritreans sovereignty advocates. Few weeks ago this guy whose channel is called መሃል መዳ was on a tour. And couple of days ago, this girl named መነን who dance with እሱየ pictures to Eritrea.

            But I think Ethiopia is coming is really old by now. It’s like what our parents use to say to us ሕንጉጉ መጺኡ : when we didn’t want to go to sleep.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            I was just about to think we were on a cusp of crossing a threshold to move up into more weighty matters, but somehow we’re here again!

            As Eritreans, communication that pertains to Eritrea Tigray relationship is one put out by the official representatives of the Tigrayan government through formal announcements. Why? Because we are independent nation and due to the prevailing sitituation, Ethiopia has different centers at this time. So, we can listen and respond to Ethiopia’s and Tigray’s official positions as far as it affects our national interests.

            There are far right groups in western societies who support Hitler, but Israel doesn’t calibrate based on the views of such entities. There are groups in the US who call for deportation of all non-European immigrants voluntarily or in body bags (that is a fact btw), yet we don’t judge and calibrate our stance on US based on those groups. The same applies here. We know the official position of the Tigray govt and leadership. That is sufficient, the rest is for us to ensure our interests are safeguarded at home, with our neighbors, our region, continentally and globally. There are Tigrayans who want Eritrea to fail, there are other Ethiopians that want Eritrea to fail, there are still other regional or international actors who may want it to fail for various agendas. On the flip side, there are those who wish well for Eritrea in all those categories. Where we focus and what we do with it would decide the returns for us more than anything else.

            The reason the struggle/resistance in Tigray has proved successful so far IMHO is to do with their choice of their “center of Gravity”. Their center of gravity is to rescue Tigrayans and save Tigray. Such center of gravity is very wide and stable. Had they chose narrow and fragmented centers of gravity, their resistance would have been weakened and they would have become ineffective as far as their desired goals.

            Coming back to Eritrea’s case, even if I was to agree that there are three camps as you believe, what does that mean? That means three centers of gravity. Multiple centers of gravity are problematic for two critical reasons:

            1 – they weaken the collective total, Eritrea in this case, by the very fact of subdividing the cause into smaller sub-causes

            2 – they trigger intra-group fighting, putting the whole in vulnerable situation

            When I said that “so long as they allow those views….” I mean that their center of gravity is all encompassing that it includes all those other than PP who are essentially the enemy they are fighting against. So by definition, there are many angry Tigrayans at Eritrea and Eritreans due to the war, it would be plausible that they can write all kinds of things as long as they know Eritreans will faithfully walk into the trap and mercilessly attack each other. If the official govt of Tigray, communicates such demands as these crazy guys, that of course, would another matter.

            Now, returning from my digression, the many centers of gravity in Eritrean politics are opposed to each other: NNNN center of gravity is Nihna Nsu, EDF center of gravity [yours] is nihna serawitna, and the Amanuel Iyasu center of gravity is nihna nqulTuf lewti, the pro Tigray Agazian center of gravity nihna Tigrawot ena….many more centers of gravities can be listed some more dangerous than others. We can speak of bigger or smaller centers, we can speak of blocks of similar centers, we can speak of militant or moderate centers…but we have several many centers for sure.

            If we had a center of gravity called All of Eritrea by All of Eritreans for All of Eritreans, as a political base, it would necessarily pull every fragmented center and create a struggle that benefits from collective muscle of the people against the one center that we need to change or eliminate, the NNNN center. Luckily, but frustrating progress, something like that did actually came alone – the GiE. In fact, the GiE is essentially that and that is why I wrote a Tigrigna comment about it saying “GiE the all encompassing center of gravity for Eritrean struggle for justice” or something close. Unfortunately, our respective and comfort zone center of gravity is offering too much pull for many of us. Each center has compelling and mesmerizing story to tell why their center is the most valid and well thought out one, how it is on the path to an all out victory, how every other center will capitulate in short order or protracted attrition!!! And much more! Yet, all that is false hope, the proof is in the pudding. Eritrea isn’t even counted on any east African related economic development activity, its regime is as misguided and maligned as ever, it opposition fragmented and disoriented as ever. GiE said forget all that and let’s up the ante. Let’s make a platform to prepare our home for change, to reach out to our neighbors, region, continent and the world in earnest. To seek peace and cooperation, advance shared bilateral and global agenda, promote opportunity for us and others. GiE is a very wide center of gravity that brings in everyone. True, it is not going as fast as needed but it is.

            So, dear Berhe, I hear your concerns, I hear many other concerns too, but mindful of the work we are leaving undone and the unaffordable indulgences we are availing of ourselves, I think that it is about time we raise to the real challenges that not only help us but help others on common spirit of peace and fraternity.

          • Desbele

            Selam Haile TG,

            Thank you for keeping the focus on unifying issues like the GiE.
            You might have read as well but would like to bring to your attention a tweet thread the other day from the National Task Team on Eritrean Government in Exile (NTTGIE) regarding Ambassador Andebirhan’s criticism of GiE proposal. NTTGIE has promised a response but if you may kindly share your reflection on his criticism – his speech is in Eri-platform channel መኽፈቲ መደረ – ምሕያል ተግባራዊ ዓቕሚ ህዝቢ ኣብ ለውጥን ደምክራስያዊ ስግግርን – ኣምባ. ዓንደብርሃን (ሲምፖዝዩም ኤርትራ 2021). Summary of NTTGIE as per tweet thread is below

            “The “Government-in-Exile” proposal is not new. It was floated 10 years ago by outsiders for purposes of regime change, and it amounted to nothing but failure, and that it failed is an asset not liability for Eritrea.
            Regarding the efficacy of an externally-driven change, we need only look at Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan: they are enough examples.
            “An Eritrean Ahmed Chalabi, like the externally imposed leader for Iraq, can only hurt not help our country and people.
            “To present a multicultural, harmonious and communal society, as if it is represented by two schools of thought, two desires, two languages, is wrong, divisive and sectarian.
            “This kind of sectarian politics has been practiced in Lebanon. The same Lebanon that has been mired in civil war—such a proposal cannot be helpful but harmful. It is most saddening and bankrupt idea that Lebanon would be used as a role model.
            “Moreover, there are important questions that the Government-in-Exile proposal doesn’t answer. 1. Question of Rule of Law 2. Issue of Representation 3. Issue of Legitimacy 4. Issue of practicality on the ground 5. Issue of impact on struggle to establish a constitutional govt.
            “These are some of the questions that the [proposers of] Government-in-Exile do not answer. The Government-in-Exile:
            1. Will not be representative of the Diaspora and Eritreans in Eritrea 2. does not have legitimate or legal basis for its foundation 3. Cannot be executed practically.
            2. “Moreover, instead of being a supplement to the Eritrea-based struggle for self-rule, it sees itself as a replacement. It is an obstacle to bring about democracy in Eritrea: places like Libya are a good example [of what happens when you do that]”

          • Berhe Y

            Selam HaileTG,

            Just to make some clarification, hope it make sense.

            1) I am not only pro EDF but pro the whole entity called Eritrea, her people, her land and air without interfering from outside. I am not saying others are not but my support is not limited to EDF but to everything Eritrean. I do believe all the problems we have with IA and his government is an Eritrean matter and only us should deal to solve our problems. I respect others to have their right to do as they see fit.

            2) I do think clear separation and going on separate ways is the best to move forward. For example, I don’t think anyone can oppose the PFDJ and at the same time expect to work with NNNN group. They are both Eritreans but totally opposite when it comes to the political solution for the country. But they may find some issues both they agree with, which is natural and possible.

            By the same token, I believe it’s not possible to support and work and come to common understanding with other group who are advocating alliance with TDF to unseat the president and defeat EDF. You say we should go by official TPLF statement which is true in principle but may not be all to the story. For example, these group are saying we will create alliance with TPLF, if TPLF does not wish to make the alliance public, is that mean it didn’t happen.

            My hard stand on TPLF is based on the assumption that there is alliance which they are part off (I have heard there are Eritreans who joined TDF in the fight, not sure if they did it individually or part of the alliance) but unless this makes political sense to TPLF I don’t expect they make it public.

            Because these group have other hidden meetings and agendas with their partners, i.e. TPLF and expecting them to work together with other group such as GiE or Yiakle is not going to work. So it’s just a waste of time at best but a distraction at worst from the rest of the group making meaningful progress. I believe the issue of our opposition is exactly that, different political groups having different agenda expected to work together to bring about change.

            I am hopeful but I think the GiE or Global yiakle another attempt that will result the same result. Because there are competing forces within the opposition that will drag their agenda and will not make much progress for a desired outcome. Personally this unity government business never make sense to me. It never made sense to me during our federation, it never made sense to me in our constitution and it will never make sense to me in GiE or future “unity” government. I believe political parties need to fight tooth and nail to appeal to their constituents and who ever manages to win the hearts and minds of the public should have the privilege to govern. And those who lose (opposition) should do what opposition suppose to do, criticizing the policies and actions of the government.

            An example that I think we should look back and learn from is from our history is the federation. The fact that two opposing parties settled to form a government, I think is the source of our problem, where as the representative of the king to assume chief executive position of the parliament is, the reason why we ended up losing our parliament.

            Now let me end this by saying HaileTG-TeAwitu:).

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Sem,

            I totally agree with you, that they have to keep the momentum and expedite the fall of Abiy’s government. I think the attack of Dessie from four fronts as we speak, is to do just that. Actually, the UN Secretary General ጉተሬዝ ነፈለማ እዋን ኢትዮጵያ እንዳርኣናያ ክትፈርስ እያ ኢሎም ስምዕታ ሂቦም አለው። Besides, the drone control area in Afar is hit badly. So currently there are heavy wars on all fronts to do just the job as soon as possible. Abiy must go! Then next our despot. The war of genocide must be defeated.

            Regardd

    • sara

      selamat ato Amanuel,
      in two days we will remember & celebrate sept 1, 1961 /// i hope you will grace us with an article .

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Sis Sara,

        Sorry to disappoint you. At this time I have no mood to write articles. Actually, I have a list of topics to compose articles for my readers that includes your request, unfortunately I am not in a mood to do it. Hopefully, to do it in the next anniversary. Besides, someone has to provoke me like my friend Saay – the provocateur of ideas. Again sorry.

        Regard

  • said

    Greetings ,
    Short video about Love Your Servitude –
    Aldous Huxley (26 July 1894 – 22 November 1963) was an English writer and philosopher. He wrote nearly fifty books both novels and non-fiction works—as well as wide-ranging essays, narratives, and poems. In his most famous novel Brave New World (1932) and his final novel Island (1962), he presented his vision of dystopia and utopia, respectively. Pls see the link: Love Your Servitude – Aldous Huxley & George Orwell
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caCkMX6YdYU&t=1043s

  • Abi

    Peace
    የኃይልዬን ልብ ቀጥ ልታደርግበት አስበሃል?
    ተዘርፈው ወደ ትግራይ ክፍለሃገር የተጠቃለሉት ቦታዎች ባድሜን ጨምሮ ለህጋዊ ባለቤቶቻቸው ተመልሰዋል::
    ረጅም እድሜ ከተሟላ ጤንነት ጋር ለታላቁ መሪ አቢቹ!!

    • haileTG

      Abichu,

      Thank goodness for Peace video in amharic, wasn’t I telling you that all along! Ethnic boundaries define it like that. Go back to province system of unitary government, you have 13 provinces. If you don’t get that I will get you Italian interview:)

      • Abi

        ኃይልዬ
        We can do even better. Let us go back to 14 provinces! For some reason unknown to me, I don’t like the number 13. I even skip the 13th hours of each day.
        The western most end point of the Tigray province is Tekeze river.

  • Mez

    Good day leGacy:
    1) My thinking is based on the assumption that tplf working in the interest of the people whom it says it is representative.
    2) From this perspective, tplf should have prioritized the welbeing of tigrians in tigray and beyond; with this all the war theater shall really be secondary.
    3) you mentioned “…TDF is making lots of gains…”. As I said earlier, this should have been less prioritized.

    You also said: “…the most formidable force…”. But, but, but the economic and other life components are shattered across tigray.
    Thanks

    • leGacY

      Hello Mez,

      Help me draw a line between your view that TPLF should have stayed in Tigray while its western part is still occupied by Amhara Militias and Abbiy refusal to open any directed relief assistance to that of if TPLF didn’t follow your advice then it is not representing the interest of the Tigray people .

      “ From this perspective, tplf should have prioritized the welbeing of tigrians in tigray and beyond; with this all the war theater shall really be secondary.”

      Forgive us but if mobilizing its people to repel an invader that came to exterminate us isn’t “prioritizing “ then I don’t know what it is.

      But I understand where you are coming from . Like most here , this is merely an intellectual exercise for you . You have not been affected by this conflict so you don’t understand the pain therefore you get to say cute stuff like “ stay in Tigray “.

      “ But, but, but the economic and other life components are shattered across tigray. ”

      Just like that we got to the egg-n-chicken thing right?

      So, an invader comes to exterminate our people destroy our economy and now you are wondering why TPLF has not prioritize rebuilding its economy.

      Thankfully, we have leaders who can help us navigate these complex issues.

      • Mez

        Hi leGacY,

        1) regarding western and southern tigray delineation and boundary issues, tplf has to enter discussions with the amhara communities and relevant bodies, nothing is wrong in talk and negotiation.
        2) regarding with the eritrean boundaries, tplf has to reconcile with itself and put demarcation on the ground.
        3) tplf is behaving now more like a warlord rather than a left oriented grassroot movement. Very sad.
        Thanks

      • Abi

        Hello legacy
        At the end of your zibazinke, You said, “ Thankfully, we have leaders who can help us navigate these complex issues.”
        I’m having trouble reconciling “leaders “, “navigate”, “complex issues “ with Tigray.
        Thankfully, you are here to help me solve this puzzle.

        በነገራችን ላይ ወደ ሱዳን ከመዝለቅ እንደ አቡነ አረጋዊ ወደ ሰማይ ማረግ ይቀላችሗል:: በፆምና ፀሎት ትጉ!

        • leGacY

          Abuca,
          Sad to see your cogcnitive decline.
          Do you want me to draw a picture for you ?
          It means , we are “damn good”

          • Abi

            legacy
            I already know you are brilliant.
            ታንኩንና ባንኩን አስረክባችሁ ወደ ልመናችሁ ተመልሳችሗል::

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum friends

    The President’s Inbox

    Ethiopia’s Civil War, With Michelle Gavin

    Michelle Gavin, senior fellow for Africa Studies at CFR, sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss the fighting in northern Ethiopia between federal government forces and regional Tigrayan forces.

    https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/ethiopias-civil-war-michelle-gavin?utm_source=twtw&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TWTW%202021August27&utm_content=A&utm_term=TWTW%20and%20All%20Staff%20as%20of%207-9-20

    • iSem

      Hi Braha:
      This is fake doctored news

      • Brhan

        YA ZOL YA iSem….kalam shnu da/
        ERI TV NEWS says such analysis are harmful to Eritreans , specially the youth who are brainwashed to fight in Tigray, Ethiopia

        • iSem

          Brhan:
          The link some how took to me to an Eri Tv video which made no sense but I could not find it to move the comment
          I was not referring to this like
          Do you post a link something to the effect that you were surprised Eri Tv was reporting the Flipos sanctioning?
          Now ኣምሺ ሩሕi find ምሃንድስ ምዕባለ 🙂
          ምሃንድስ ምዕባለ = ሩሕ in pure Arabic by pure Arabic i mean Sudanese 🙂

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem,

            That was Kebessa!

          • iSem

            Thanks TG:
            I was on the PC for 24 hours when I check, I thought my back was messed up and went for a walk, but my mind was messed up:-)
            I do not blame my mind when it gest all the Dongola from Dongolo and Hashela 🙂

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Peace,

    If you do not resort in to insults, can I ask you a fair question from your comment? Speaking of “mercenaries”: Do you consider the participation of EDF in the Ethiopian war as the work of mercenaries, if you consider the possible participation of TDF in Eritrea as the work of mercenaries? This is just a conceptual question looking a conceptual answer without hypocrisy for purposes of fairness.

    In any case if you want to reverse the question back to me, my answer will be, it isn’t a work of mercenaries, rather it is the work of alliances for their mutual benefits, the same as the allIances of EPLF/TPLF against ELF and against the Derg regime – wether we support it or against it as a position. I know you don’t know how politics work.

    Regard

    • Peace!

      Hi Emma

      I never claim I am a politician nor I have extensive knowledge on such field. Apparently though what you are discussing is very basic and I believe anyone with a clear conscious can chime in and contribute.

      1- “Do you consider the participation of EDF in the Ethiopian war as the work of mercenaries” It depends. It is not a secret that TPLF thugs have been threating Eritrea with invasion openly. Now, if the purpose of the participation is to eliminate the dangerous threat, I can safely say it is understandable. TPLF itself invaded Somalia to eliminate the threat posed by Al-shabab. On the other hand, if the purpose is to help Abiy and stabilize Ethiopia, then yes it constitutes the work of mercenaries.

      2- “If you consider the possible participation of TDF in Eritrea as the work of mercenaries? This is just a conceptual question looking a conceptual answer without hypocrisy for purposes of fairness” Well, regardless, if the fringe elements would like to outsource our cause and hire mercenaries, then we should reject them firmly and hold them accountable.

      The main point is though TPLF is a criminal entity that deceived the Ethiopian people and Tigrayans in particular. It is not a secret the root cause of today’s problem in Ethiopia is TPLF and its false dreams. It destroyed Ethiopianism and replaced with ethnic divisions that supposed pave a way for Independent Greater Tigray. Now, if you really believe TPLF cares for the freedom of Eritreans and willing to die to deliver free and stable Eritrea for Ertireans, then one may say TPLF cares more for Eritreans than its own people, Tigreans.

      Listen to these brilliant Tigrayans, it may help shade some light.

      https://youtu.be/S-Y98OR7LeU

      Peace!

      • Bayan Negash (Abu Al-Shabain)

        Dear Peace!

        Thank you for sharing. I know next to nothing about the panelists. I have only listened the first 8 minutes or so of what’s being said. I intend to listen to the first part as well. No wonder it’s hard to locate such conversation by Tigrayans who have differing views than the prevailing ones that the media is saturated with, one puts the TPLF as this angelic organization that could do no wrong. Good to hear Tigrayans are the ones who are saying these things. It’s sad though, the show has been viewed by less than 500 people.

        Again, I just came in this space to thank you for sharing this eye opener conversation, particularly because it’s coming from Tigrayan citizens.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Peace,

        I wasn’t talking about the fringes. I was talking about two formidable forces of the region known as “EDF” and “TDF” for which both are referred as criminals. When I ask you about your characterization, I was referring to these two forces. So now stick your answer to these noted formidable forces. If the Abiy demanded hand from EDF against his nemesis, what is wrong the Eritrean opposition? It is always alliance of mutual interest. It isn’t the work of mercenaries. Just take a note.

        Second, If you consider both PFDJ and TPLF are criminals, I think you do. Then why are you losing sight on the home front – the criminal regime in our county, and did spent all your energy on TPLF? Aren’t you lending voice to the propaganda of the regime? Any voice that lends life span indirectly to the Eritrean regime, is always detrimental to the effort of our opposition. Don’t you think so?

        Third, politics is about mutual interest. So, if we can make alliance with the archenemy of PFDJ for mutual benefit, then what is wrong, if such alliance could bring the end of the regime and the liberation of our people from the grip of the beast? Keep the tempo of our exchange civil. Tactics is all about choices to our success.

        Regard

        • Peace!

          Hi Emma,

          I think by now you have already listened the latest Negarit: Saleh Johar clearly pointed out what the 80s alliance had entailed which we Eritreans are paying a heavy price to this day.

          Mutual interest exists only when both sides understand the grievances and interests of each other, but TPLF is famous for its zero-Sum game approach. TPLF had ample opportunities to help Eritreans and ultimately help itself for more than twenty years, but stable and democratic Eritrea doesn’t go in line with its own false dreams. It has to come to realities and come with clear idea and direction first before it can form a meaningful alliance for mutual interest. Plus the power of idea is what matters, not the power of alliance. So Let’s reclaim our power.

          Just to address the “YOU” thing:) I always maintain my position that sustainable solution will only come from within.

          Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Alliance is an idea. Isn’t it? Yes, big time. Yes for ELFites didn’t end to our fever. But for those who made alliances (EPLF & TPLF) it works for them and they came to power in their respective countries. Alliance and United fronts if you make them work. If the first attempt does not work (like the first attempt between ELF &EPLF), it doesn’t mean it won’t work in the second try, as it did work with TPLF&EPLF. Second, because Saleh (Negarit) has opposed alliance, it does mean right. Because ones right is others wrong. I hope he will not call me immature as he did in the same Negarit – called us blankety to those who have different views than him. It is okay some to be against the idea and others for the idea as far as it took the format of a debate. I don’t have problem to lock our horn on ideas, if ideas matter in a civil discourse.

            Second, yes it is preferable to get solutions within, but we are unable to do it for the last three decades, there is always possible to look hands from others. Both in my previous article, few years back, and here in this forum, have illustrated past successful examples in my argument. Actually, in my view, it is an ideal to our situation.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            It is not the idea that I am against rather TPLF cannot be a trusted partner given the fact that it is a criminal organization that betrayed its own people. Plus this is a serious matter that room for error should be minimal because it costs lives. And the reason why I injected Negarit assertion is just to indicate the consequence of unholy alliance.

            If you have listened the interview I posted earlier ምስ ንህዝቢ ትግራይ ዝጠለመን ብገበን ዝሕተትን ሳልሳይ ወለዶ ዝበልዕ ዘሎን ጉጅለ ህውሓት ድርድር እውን ኣይድልን ይብሉ ኣለው እቶም ለባማት ተጋሩ and that makes your approach sound መርዓዊ ከይሓዛ ዓርኪ ሓዛ. መንዩ እዩ ከ ንህዝቢ Eritrea ወኪሉ ምስ ወያነ ክሰርሕ? ዝተወደኤ ስራሕ እንተሎ please share!

            ህውሓት ንሙሉእ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ኣይውክልን እያ ንዚ ዝተረደኤ ህውሓት ኮቦርታ ናይ TDF ተኽዲኑ እዩ ዝሰርሕ ዘሎ:: Any alliance that doesn’t recognize the grievance and interest of both people is doomed to fail.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Lebam (wise) in the eye of the beholder. Why you are saying that, because it matches with your thinking. I could bring a clip that does the opposite and admire TPLF/TDF from the same society. So the idea that is viewed in the clip does not represent the entire Tigray people. Rather if you see the mobilization and the rallying of the population around the war effort, under the current leadership TPLF/TDF does falsify the views in the the clip, Here is a clip that negate your arguments and which shows the people as the Degen of the war or TDF. Enjoy

            https://youtu.be/zfuZdltv-EU

            https://youtu.be/TbQJ1DNOgx8

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I prefer logic over emotion. PFDJ enjoyed the same level of unconditional support during Badme War. Now, few years later, ask anyone who fought in that battle if they would do it again or hold PFDJ responsible instead? You can find out the answer in youtube. What TPLF doing is not different, wait few years and see for yourself.

            Finally, you have already picked the idea, and now all you have to do is be a good salesman. If wish you enough buyers.

            Thanks
            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            There is no emotion in our engagement. Actually, if you keep it civil this way, I am enjoying it. Don’t throw words without thinking their applications. I gave you my logic because I saw your illogic argument against the reality on the ground.

            Second, I will not argue on what the future will hold. It is everyone’s guess. But currently the whole population is rallying around them. You brought the clip to show us how the people of Tigray are against TPLF/TDF. And I brought a clip that falsify it. Simply, the war is people’s war under the leadership of TPLF/TDF, no matter how you wish to see it. Facts must be recognized as they appear, and when it changes you change your argument to be realistic.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Sorry Emma,
            You know no one can identify a group of people by name, sometimes the loudest define all. What I see from that camp, is mostly immature, disrespectful and sectarian justifications like we speak Tigrinya and we have the numbers therefore we will decide. I think that is the defining argument. So, it’s ብስንኪ ንቁጽ…. and I sorry if you felt lambasted there. But you should know I will never call you immature. You just know that. But talking to an immature bigoted group, sometimes one cannot complicate the message for the sake of political correctness. Sorry again

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. What makes efforts to establish the GiE today any different from efforts to establish the GiE (AENF) back in Addis Ababa in October 2002? Then as now, both are seen by many as a TPLF proxy. Is it realistic that a GiE can become a legitimate and credible entity in so long as it seen by many as sympathetic to TPLF interests? Is it not best for the GiE -especially at this early stage- to separate itself the best that it can from TPLF related matters? One cannot endlessly demonize anything and everything connected with EDF and ENDF while endlessly glorifying, defending and promoting anything and everything connected with the TPLF/TDF and remain not seen as a TPLF proxy.

    • Peace!

      Hi Dengolo,

      ጆርጆ ሃብተገርግሽ ኣብዚ ቀረባ እዋን ኣብ ኤርትራዊያን ስደተኛታት ኣብትግራይ ዝወረደ ግፍዒ ኣብዘጋለጸሉ ግዜ ሓንቲ ጽብቕቲ ጥቕሲ ተጠቒሙ ንሳ ድማ እንታይ ትብል መስለካ/ኪ “ንኹሉ ስምዓዮ ንቲ ሰናይ ሰዓቦ”

      Eritreans are desperate for meaningful and sustainable change. If the approach you believe in can deliver the much needed relief, I see no reason why GIE won’t join you.

      Peace!

  • Kebessa

    Dear Awatistas Greatestas,

    I was surprised EriTV reading out EDF/Philipos crimes, as communicated by the American Embassy in Eritrea.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7n1ECP_Xm4

    My useless theories as to why this was read out loud:

    1) The tyrant is starting to feel vulnerable & this is his way of dealing with it.

    2) To threaten Filipos – if you don’t do my wishes, including going back to Tigray, Eritreans & the world would know I have a good reason to punish you. You are officially under my mercy now.

    3) To prepare the public for what’s inevitably coming – world condemnations and more. The report on the joint Ethio-UN investigation on human rights abuses in Tigray is due soon. And EDF will be the prime culprit. This time, it will be harder for the tyrant to dismiss as he did with the IA/HRW findings. Imagine a Abiy Ahmed’s agency (EHRC) accusing EDF of crimes. In fact, the Office of the Ethiopian Attorney General did just that in May, when it accused EDF, among other things, of house-to-house killings of 40 civilians.

    • haileTG

      Hey Kebessa,

      The US is strongly demanding for Eritrea to fully and permanently withdraw from Tigray. It said so during the designation of FW, on Asmara Embassy press release, during UNSC proceedings. The terms used are “significant”, “serious”, “urgent”… More action is to follow and the regime is cornered. The initial strategy of destruction of Tigray is dead. Tigray is here to stay. As part of the unavoidable realignment, IA has to plan ahead. The document appears in that direction. Very hard to see him dig his way out.

      • Kebessa

        Hailat,
        I noticed the word ‘permanent’ was added recently but everything else is old stuff I think. As far as Tigray’s destruction, I agree it was cut short thanks to American pressure. Isaias/Abiy’s original plan was based on Trump’s America (‘America first, we really don’t care what happens in the world and specially in Africa’). Isaias was so comfortable with America at the time he actually sent congratulations to Biden for his election. When was the last time he did that? during Clinton!

        P.S. I love the American Embassy in Asmara. After they accomplished their job few days ago, they are now in a relaxed mode, visiting Massawa. It’s like trolling the dictator.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Please find below leaked audio from UNCT in Ethiopia -We don’t have concrete facts- re allegations of mass sexual violence in Tigray:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sBTdAw_f6XY&t=91s

    • iSem

      Hi Dongolo:
      You told me that you were in prison during the Dergi, Now I believe that is a lie. Some one who suffered in prison will believe victims of torture and especially rape. Due to the stigma rape victims do not come forward, even in the west, until they collect their courage, the statue of limitation expires on them on many cases
      So yes, this is not new to you, old news. The no concert evidence was before and the boosters like you manipulate it and tell us as if it came out now and it was said now. Revelation to Dongolo
      Now, why are you defending rapists, guardians of torture chambers. You do not have to do so to defend the interest of Eritrea
      I am not sure whether I hate PFDJ or those who sanitize its crimes and I shudder to share a country with you guys.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Table of thought should be now reversed: Innocent Tigrayans should now be shouting ‘Please Come and Invade Us’ and liberate us from the terrorist TPLF for which has caused all Tigrayans to unnecessarily suffer and has prevented peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea from reaching full maturity. Technically, for 20+ years, the TPLF had invaded Eritrea -de facto- its illegal occupation of Badme.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Mez,

    As things stand, the issue that seem to be blocking a breakthrough towards end of hot war and resorting to political jockeying is that the protagonists in the war, especially, the federal side (Abij and his allies) seem to be betting on the time factor. They seem to be calculating the more the war gets prolonged, the more likelihood fortunes would turn in their favor, i.e. considering demographics and diplomacy.

    So, AA does not seem to be in hurry. On the other hand, the Tigrayans appear to be betting on the vulnerability of the government, considering the stakeholders who sooner or later would incline towards the core demand of the Tigrai – overhauled and democratic federation.

    So, my question is what do you think will make opting for a negotiated end to the war not possible for Tigray state government, which may translate to an advantage to Dr. Abij and his party? Wish if you would add some thoughts on this point.

    • saay7

      Selamat Ismailom:

      Today the security council met to discuss what it calls “the situation in Tigray” (the UN loves the word “situation”), and while everybody spoke, what is remarkable is on this matter, the Africa Bloc (A-3+1 is their technical name) of the UNSC has been quite assertive thanks to the leadership of Kenya.

      It would not be fair to summarize its remarkable and accurate assessment of the “situation”, and its recommendation to all antagonists, UNSC and African Union. You can watch it here beginning at the 1 hour mark.

      https://media.un.org/en/asset/k1d/k1ddd3misu

      Of course, because this is a #StupidWar, even its proponents are so they will just excerpt and focus on the part that supports their case but if everything was accepted by all, this destructive war that doesn’t appear to have an end would wind down.

      saay

      • haileTG

        Selamat saay,

        Yes, a great leadership! One point is that he responded very well to PMAA letter to the AU to remember what Ethiopia did for Africa and repay it in its utmost need. But, what about Western Tigray? Seems lost in the mix:) No?

        • saay7

          Hailat:

          Well, you know, “Western Tigray” is now a controversial phrase.

          What Kenya/Africa gave everybody:

          To Abiy and allies:

          * TPLF/TDF should stop being ambivalent about the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ethiopia. If there is one thing AU stands for is that.
          * TPLF/TDF to withdraw from Amhara/Afar zones. The further it goes out of Tigray the more at risk it places Tegaru, it says. (Implicit: the State has the right to strike back)
          * stop forming alliances encouraging armed groups
          * the Tigray elections that were not sanctioned by the national electoral commission do not count (implicitly)
          * compliments Ethiopia for its democratization path
          * sanctions threatened by the US/EU will be counterproductive
          * negotiations to be AU driven

          To TPLF/TDF and allies:

          * Abiy gov to stop calling them terrorists
          * to recognize they have grievances
          * that the feud is substantive: it’s two different visions for Ethiopia
          * the negotiations will be driven by AU. (not US/EU but not unilaterally Ethiopia.)
          * By words and deeds Ethiopia should make Tigrayans feel Ethiopia belongs to them.

          To the Rest of US

          * Eritrea should withdraw its troops
          * there is no military solution – so resist the temptation to believe you are about to deliver a death blow
          * stop with the ክተት nonsense: because Ethiopian politics is extremely ethnic based, political differences expressed as war become ethnic war. And making calls to the people expands it into full scale ethnic war.

          saay

          • haileTG

            Thanks for a wonderful summary saay!

            The first I heard of a downgrade in terminology for Western Tigray was last week when UNSG referred it as “contested territory”. I wonder if this is based on understanding reached with TPLF? I keep bringing up Western Tigray to gauge how guad Abi reacts. Based on that I pass on information to TDF on potentiality of possible breakthrough:-) Guad Abi the gold scale of fano heartbeat:)

          • iSem

            Thanks Sal
            Yea, it seems the chewing chat in AU digs in AA is paying off, it has calming effect on this collections of tyrants. And Ethiopia should make Tigrayans feel as Ethiopians? That bus has departed IMHO.
            AU should be gusty enough to stop blood shed in the continent and stop being pantheons of dictators and work hard to win the Mo Ibrahim award, Noble Peace is a joke.
            And if this is their solution and stand, they have no right to complain when someone calls them sh**l countries, when they come up this and allow dark-age deeds in their continent to go for a year now.
            And where is the open the blockade before asking TDF withdrawal from Amhara region, to me this is TDF’s 25Km buffer zone.
            The Eritrea part? AU gets C-. Not bad for an Org which took 50 years to upgrade from no Interference to no Indifference

            Ps: they should be worried how TDF getting the logistics like gas to drive the thanks and trucks.

          • saay7

            Ala iSem:

            So tell us how you *really* feel.

            They do address the blockade, within the context of the responsibility of the federal government to show it cares for Tigrayans, it has to turn on basic services.

            Birds fly, fish swim, and AU believes in sovereignty and territorial integrity of African nations. Look at Somaliland and the Western Sahara. No recognition! Not only that, they are in a state of shock about Eritrea and South Sudan. The only way Tigray will become an independent state is if Ethiopia tires of it and believed it has already upgraded its status by allying/confederating with Eritrea.

            Calling on Eritrea to withdraw is a recommendation. Because unless Ethiopia (the State, Abiy) complains that his country has been invaded, there is not AU statue that says AU has to call for withdrawal of a nation which has signed a defacto mutual defense agreement. (By signed I mean Abiy and Isaias hugged on it.) They are recommending it withdraw but also “embrace the role of peace building” which is their way of telling Isaias try peace for a chance you war-monger. So not even an A- for that? You are a terrible grader.

            Wait until you find out whom they are recommending as the peace negotiator 🙂

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            you are violating awate rules: Ala is not salutation

          • leGacY

            Hi Saay,

            “Birds fly, fish swim, and AU believes in sovereignty and territorial integrity of African nations”

            Many reasons as why the AU doesn’t like to involve in internal affairs but certainly “sovereignty “ has nothing to do with it.

            While the OAU had no legal power to get involved in internal conflicts on the continent and was largely inactive on this front, its successor, the African Union (AU) has been granted the right to intervene in a member state in respect of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity.

            So, does a deliberate effort by Abbiy to exterminate our people warrant an intervention as mandated by its charter , you be the judge .

          • saay7

            Selamat leGacy:

            After Rwanda, the world (UN) adopted the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) clause to veto a States sovereignty claims and interfere, but you and I know that this applies only on weak states. Ostensibly, “war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity” are the triggers to intervene but you won’t see the world doing that in China or Russia.

            Similarly, the African Union changed its “non interference” clause to “non-indifference” for the same triggers (war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity), but it is also selective on which States it applies it on. It’s definitely not going to apply it to the home base of AU itself. Not to mention the country that contributed the most to African peace/security missions. Furthermore, as annoying as *YOU* may find it, the AU position is that its agnostic on whether war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide have occurred. Mr INSA knows the value of information and the first he does at the slightest suggestion that a place is going to be a war zone is to shut down internet and electricity.

            saay

      • Ismail AA

        Hayak Allah saay,

        The protagonists would do good to themselves and their people if they would listen to well-meaning advices. But the problem in such kind of wars is when pride and fanaticism get enmeshed with one another, which usually ordinary people mistake with patriotism.

        • saay7

          Hala Ismail:

          Related to what you posted, this is what the African Bloc to UNSC (headed by Kenya) said in its statement:

          “War is seductive. There are those who today in Ethiopia call for it to be given a chance. Such an attitude taps into a deep human desire for the clarity that enmity appears to offer. It promises simplicity instead of painful compromise, the annoying need to listen to the other, and the frustration that comes from trying to appreciate complexity. “ ~ A3+1

          Sound spot on to me.

          saay

    • Mez

      Hi ismail AA,
      1) I would think unnecessary time-lapse is not good for both tplf and pmaa.
      2) on the political front, tplf has a lots of alt-last (past misdeeds and unprincipled stands) to process and clean-up.
      3) the terms such as “democratic federation”, “majority tyranny”…. are at most too ambivalent and at best creating”political fog”.
      4) as a sensible grassroot political movement, tplf may want inherently to stick to political means over militarily one.
      4.1) this is inherently in the best interest of tplf and tigrians than declaring “Totaledkrieg” againest their political opponents.
      4.2) a war path is bad for tigray by any measure. This always.
      5) it is time for the tigrian intellectuals to differentiate between waging a war to bring about an all inclusive political dynamics–and being a pawn of the united states (here if things go wrong the damage on tigray will be a huge burden for generation to come).

      Thanks

  • Aman Y.

    Happy weekend all!

    I came across the most recent initiative document by the good Dr. Araya Debessay, proposing the formation of Eritrean National Congress(ENC). ENC has similar objectives to GiE, Except the name and some procedurals, which I think are more democratic and inclusive than GiE.

    An excerpt from the document reads, “ENC vs Government in Exile.
    Dr. Gebre Ghebremariam in a recent seminar he gave on Assenna TV( Part 1:
    https://youtu.be/sq93mRkJEUY ) ​has made strong arguments why the ENC should not be called Government in Exile. He has provided political, philosophical, legal, conceptual and pragmatic reasons why it is inappropriate for the Eritrean opposition to have a government in exile.”

    I a m aware of Dr. Gebre’s and SNITS argument , from personal interactions. One has said to me, ” What is in the name? we are already consulting with the US government, regarding the war in Tigray.” When I forwarded my” GiE- Eritrean Integrative Discourse” draft paper. ERIPS chair, Dr. Thomas Solomon, also said the US government had been consulting with them to.

    I believe the name, like any other endeavors, has to do with ones success, in garnering support from the people. The thoroughness content of Dr. Gebre’s presentation looks as if he planned GiE as long term project for him, more of a completion than a concern. His presentation assumes as if one(NTT) is claiming to be an established (GiE) entity.

    What Dr. Araya Debessay forwarded is similar to Saleh Younis’s. By his own words Dr. Gebre talks of the possibilities of forming a GiE proposal at 1:14 and 1:22 of the tape. when Dr. Gebre said “ሓቃዊ ወከልቲ ሕዝቢ ኢና ብምባል(by claiming you are the authentic and legitimate spokesmen of the national interest of the country”

    I have also read one can form GiE, by representing the aspiration of the people, that is with out territorial possession. And a country can host more than one GiEs.
    By the time one gets recognized by multiple countries, say the US and the UK, it will have a definite prefix recognition as the sole representative “The Government in Exile” no need for competition but cooperation.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Mez (the facts person),

    I will consult you for facts is the future, and will advice colleagues to be your customers. Thank you.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Abi,

    The only (other) person who remembers so much details of the past is Paulos. መንትያ ኣለው እንዴ? It is indeed scary time!

    • Abi

      ሊቀመኳስ
      Looks like you forgot all about Pappilon:-)
      ኃይለኛው ሲመጣ ሃዋርያው ሲሄድ
      መንገድ ተላለፉ እንደማይዛመድ

      • haileTG

        Abichu,

        Unlike your great memory! You forgot my long scientific debate with Paulos?? Haile was here before AT and will be here long after AT:-)

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ኣቢ፡

        ኣንዱ የለውጥ-ሓዋርያ ሃይለኛው
        ኣንዱ የስም ሃዋርያ ቢራቢሮው*
        ተወኝ ኣባ-ትልቁ (በመንፈስ) ኣንድ ናቸው

        *Paipillon (fr) = ቢራቢሮ

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate Nation,

    The TDF Corps of Engineers have reconstructed the blown off Tekeze bridge by the Ethiopian Army. The purpose of reconstructing the bridge is to serve as a temporary infrastructure for military logistics in the North Western front of Tigray towards Gonder. The clip will show you General Migbey’s army crossing the bridge. Amazing!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MfA0O5Dzlu4

    Regards

    • haileTG

      Selam Aman,

      This reminds me the common purpose and dedication Eritreans had during the independence struggle. Unlike today, bitterly divided and looking at each other with deep suspicion. Unity and trust are the bases of victory. No amount of challenge can stop a united struggle as your shared video shows. On the flip side, nothing can move forward a divided struggle, not even if all barriers to victory were to be removed. The divided people would refuse to own it before they ensure the other side is destroyed first. The Somalian case, and the Eritrea 20 year struggle for justice are testimony to that.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat-TG,

        Yes I can’t agree more. We are a divide people through and through. The problem is we don’t recognize that we are a divided people, and hence we can’t find a solution to our divisions.

        Regard

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Aman H,

          Aman Y had suggested something like an Eritrean peace institute. We may need to look into that more to see if some kind of mediation institute can be founded within the diaspora opposition. It seems that time and again, any divisive idea completely obliterates any momentum giving opportunity that comes our way.

          When the G-15 and journalists were eliminated, including the victims, thought that Eritreans will rise up against the regime. A good momentum was in the offing at the time. However, a concept floated from somewhere to the effect that the victims were corrupt officials and journalists working for CIA and those opposing them are only their relatives, otherwise as corrupt as them. This concept managed to shoot down the opposition momentum and the window closed.

          When wed Ali attempted the coup in Jan 21/13, a momentum started to build. But that momentum had then been shot down by a concept that was floated that it was an Islamic take over.

          Then the Lampedusa tragedy happened. Again a great outpouring and momentum started to build. Soon, a concept was floated to the effect that those discussing the tragedy are using it for political gains. That concept shot down the momentum for good. Today, we may support our refugee relatives individually, otherwise any issue with refugee would be lucky to get 5 fb shares let alone momentum.

          Now, the regime involved the country in a war which is not of its concern. Thousands were sacrificed (according unconfirmed reports). Clearly, some momentum started to build at the initial stages. But a concept has been floated to the effect that those who want to take the regime to task on this are closet agazian looking to create Tigray-Tigrigna. This concept, like all the others, can now be determined to have succeeded. The momentum is shot down. The regime can announce 5000 or 50000 war dead, it will make little difference for the diaspora based opposition as the latter has re-framed the conflict in Tigray (and Eritrean participation) into a conflict between segments of our society.

          Therefore, historically, the diaspora opposition has proved not to be able to utilize any opportunity or trigger factors. This could be due to our national failure in nation building process in post-independence Eritrea or something else. If such is however, a proven bottleneck, it would be time better spend to create some kind of intra-Eritrean mediation and understanding channels than pinning one’s hope on a dead horse.

          As things stand, it is hard to see any other scenario than the regime falling under its own weight and many competing parallel groups fighting it out for dominance on its rubbles.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            I am for anything that could bring us together, though it doesn’t look something in the menu of the Eritrean political discourse. The Eritrean people is not ready for reconciliation, for some section of our society believe that we don’t have a problem to reconcile. In fact they never failed to tell us that we are a “United people.”And you know who that section of our society is, without going in to details.

            Second, even if we try the method of approach that Aman Y. tried to entertain us, we will still be divided on how to do it, the same as the task force of GIE is stuck with the opposition forces on how to do it. I had hope GIE will pull us together. Trust is the elephant at the center of our problem that pulls us apart, from many “genuine attempts” that have been tried for two decades.

            Regard

  • Haile S.

    ሓደርክን ሓደርኩም፡

    ወየ ወየ ወየ ወየ ወየ
    ይውረ’ሎ ወዲ ገብሩ
    ድርፊ ድርብይ’ቢሉ ንሓዋሩ
    ንኹሉ ኣርኪቡ ኣስተማቂሩ
    ቃንዩ ንሃገሩ ንዓንሰባ ንመሮሩ
    ከደ ትአወርዩ ንሰማዩ ንሓዋሩ

    ገሌና ካይበላዕና ንስዋእ ብንእሽቶ
    ተዛራቢ ሃገር ይፍለጦ ኣይፍለጦቶ
    ገሌና ኣሪግና ንውልቒና ንብሕቶ
    ገሌና ሰብ መዓርግ፡ ገሌና ተራ ኣቶ
    ገሌና ኣስከሬናት፡ ገሌና ክንዲ ፊስቶ
    ገሌና ብዘይ ሓድጊ፡ ካይገድፍና ጽሕፍቶ
    ገበርቲ ኣብ መሬት ማዕዳውያን ንጽላእ ንፍቶ
    ተዓንቂፍና ኾነ ብዓቢ ሕማም ብንእሽቶ
    ኩላትና ሓደ፡ ንሰግራ ነዛ ሂወት ቢንቶ
    ቀደም ብሻሽ ብእምኒ፡ ሎሚ ብስሚንቶ
    ክኣይተጸቐጥና ገዲፍናዮ ንኸይዶ ኣሎ’ዶ እቲ ሕቶ

    ኣርኣያ ወዲ ገብሩ እንሆ ኸደ ገዲፉልና ዘይርሳዕ ትሕዝቶ
    ጽቡቕ ጠርናፊ ታሪኽ ተዘክሮ ዝኾነና ንቕርዓት ንባይቶ

    በሉ ንስምዓዮ ገዲፍና ምሕካኽ ዓባይ ዓባይቶ

    https://youtu.be/jPQDWD44jPY
    https://youtu.be/slY3o6sDu-M

    • Bayan Negash (Abu Al-Shabain)

      Selam Haile S.,

      So many talents like Wedi Gebru have come and gone. The country has yet to see the well deserved light of the day. Darkness seems to hover over our heads refusing to be unveiled.

      ጊዜ ብጥዑሙ፡ ኣግኣዝያናት ኣብዘይነበሩሉ
      ናይ ብዙሓት ኣምባገንነት ኣብዘይነበረሉ
      ኤርትራዊ ብ መንነቱ ከም ወዲ ሃገር
      ዝኾርዓሉ
      ዝሕበነሉ
      ምስ መሳድድቱ ካብ ልቢ
      ዝፋተወሉ
      ዝፋቐረሉ
      ወጋሕ ትበል ለይቲ ዝብለሉ
      ናብዛ ሊንክ ጥዉቕ ኣብሉ
      ሓቅኻ ጥዑም ግዜ ሽዑ ዩ ነይሩ ንኽትብሉ::

      https://youtu.be/mzUCRAmwCx4

      • Haile S.

        ሰላማት በያን፡

        ይበል ግጥሚ!
        እንታይ’ሞ እንታይ’ሞ
        በያን ወዲ ነጋሽ-ዘሞ
        በዚሑና ዘሕሞ
        ተኸፊልና ደጋፊ ተቓውሞ
        ኰንና በላዒ ጮማ በላዒ ትምትሞ
        ኣዲኡ ገዲፉ ኸደ ናብ ሓትኖ ናብ ኣሞ
        የምጽኣልና ምፍልላይ ዝሰብር ብጎዞሞ

        • Bayan Negash (Abu Al-Shabain)

          Selam Haile S.,
          tiHisho ezi Hawway. One thing that I find of interest is that tyranny of the majority or what I tried to characterize as ብዙሓት ኣምባገንነት, if you will, is the utter lack of an inkling concertina for the minority. An exhibit A for this is the General/Doctor/Tegadalay’s diatribe about his grand plan for Tigray and the region. Talk about a confused fellow. The minority within Tigray are of no concern to him, whatsoever. I’ve heard several individuals from Tigray minority group starting to speak up against his poisonous ideas.

          When someone from the majority group says we must let these fringe elements have their say, and that when they speak their mind, the market of ideas will dictate that they would remain fringe elements. Ideally yeah, but do we have institutions that can withstand these onslaughts; otherwise, anarchy will reign supreme. Now, take Tesfatsion for example. That’s precisely what many said. His poisonous ideas, however, is almost becoming mainstream in diaspora.

          Of course, the minority are the ones who would become the target of these groups, not those who are from the majority. The majority will lose nothing. It’s the common refrain that we have been observing soon after George Floyd’s death when black lives matter became a movement. Others would try to claim that all lives matter when they just want to not openly go on loggerheads with the Black Lives Matter movement. I see those who say fringe elements in our region should be treated as such. The problem is it is the subject of the atrocities won’t be the people from the majority, it is the vulnerable minorities who will pay the brunt of any violence that maybe exacted agains them. Hence, for characterizing this as nothing more than the tyranny of the majority being alive and well in Eritrean and Tigray politics.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Bayan and Haile S.,

            First, Dr. Beyan welcome back, sir. Your persistent presence adds value to debates this wonderful forum. Please do spare time, when possible, for public affair that interest us all in these not so envious conditions we, Eritreans, are living through.

            Having said that, furthermore, I think a couple of days back we have been exchanging, in this space, views on this fringe vs mainstream relationship. When seen in broader contexts involving a stable and an established democratic governance system with legally institutionalized safety valves, an intermittent outgrowth of out of ordinary one-issue populist fringe groups may not necessarily engender profound concern. That was my contention I argued via entries I scribble on the matter.

            The mainstream (which by nature of things adds up to a majority across social and political divides (silent majority/organized formation) would deny any group that may appear on the margins of society from getting space at the center of a nation’s affairs. They will simply be viewed as bi-products of open way of life under spacious democratic social and political existence. I think we have abundant precedents, at least since WW II, of such manifestations (extreme left or extreme right) in several major countries who developed institutionalized governance systems. There have not been any fringe group that supplanted the mainstream and could ascend to power. The only instance that comes to my mind is Jorg Haider in Austria, and in some chronically crisis-ridden countries like Italy. In major countries, no group really blossomed to rule a country. Haile S. can tell us more about Mr. Jean-Marie Le Pen’s fortune.

            On the other side of the spectrum, as fringe groups in established free liberal democratic environments sprout as bi-products of forward-looking socio-political systems, their counterparts appear on the horizon as biproducts of retarded social and social systems that suffer under dictatorships of one sort or another. Here, the disoriented and lawless existence of society may become a victim of fringe groups with asocial and outlandish notions and contentions that thrive on crises of some sort or another: social, political or economic. Those populist manifestations capitalize on some worries some segments in a society entertain.

            For instance, where I live (Holland) the current noisy populist group under Geert Wilders has been capitalizing on fear among some conservative Christian segments of this country over the threat of encroachment of Islam (Islamophobia). One issue they persistent focus on is the hijab and niqab and stretch, which they contend seriously endanger the mainstream culture and way of life of the people. Their target group are the substantial presence of Moroccan and Turkish immigrant communities who have been in the country as guest laborers to rebuild the destructions WW II had caused but later on got naturalized as citizens without cutting themselves from cultural and religious origins of the former countries. The addition of recent immigrants has help to augment the effort of racist and populist trends.

            Now, to quickly slide back to our own unenvious situation, the soil that gave the current fascist group called Agazian has been provided by the despotic system that has been ravaging society in the past three decades. This social and political anomaly is bi-product of the absolute despotism in our country that has been causing the dispersal of the mainstream, on which the fascist group, led by a convicted embezzler, have been trying to take advantage of the suitable social and political soil the dictatorship has created. It is from there that they have been linking with other similar trends in the neighborhood to the south.

            As a possible remedy, I would amateurishly suggest that we should look at the matter within the context I mentioned above, and face the challenge as part of the burden the dictatorship imposed on our society. It is here that aware individuals, groups and movements striving to remove the dictatorship can play meaningful role by way of educating the sections of our society the fringe group has been targeting: the Christian highland sector of our people which are being agitated on the imagined fear about encroachment of Islam through the Moslem part of the nation. The onus is in fact on the intellectuals and learned compatriots who should put themselves at the forefront of the confrontations with this fascist group. The best and effective way in dealing with the groups is when the enlightened section of social and political denomination takes the lead. A Moslem fringe groups should be exposed and challenged by aware and enlightened from that very target group, as the Christian group should be dealt with by the aware and enlightened from that very target group.

            To put it in a nutshell, our enlightened Christian Kebessa compatriots should take the lead in exposing and confronting the Agazian and expose it for what it is and represents, as equally the onus is on the individuals and groups among the Moslem communities who should lead the fight whenever a similar fringe group appears. As I noted in a note or response to Saleh Johar yesterday, the Moslem mainstream intellectuals have done impressive work to confront Moslem fringe groups in the recent past who voice strange ideas about Islamic state or sorts in which the Christian compatriots would enjoy second level citizenship. The forefront place in exposing such dangerous trends was taken by aware Moslems in myriad ways and means. Today, those fringe groups are nowhere to be seen.

          • haileTG

            Selam Ismail,

            What a great entry! definitely on my read again list.

            Brief observations that I wish to make, hoping that it doesn’t take away from your superb exposition, are the following.

            1 – It would be very helpful when those groups of intellectuals who are to confront and subdue such internal extremism, to compare notes and collaborate on what worked best in their individual cases or what challenges they had to overcome on the way. I agree on how the Muslim community managed to subdue such fringe elements, when the latter were getting very vocal a decade or so ago.

            2 – We need to watch out against loose comments that are made out of frustration or deliberately at times. Most deliberate ones seem to come from regime supporters. But, erroneous statements make huge damage regardless of what motivated them. As you might guess, Mathematics is my first love of the sciences. In mathematical processes, one must avoid at all costs the introduction of false argument at any stage of developing a particular model or concept. Because, if a false argument is introduced and taken as true, be it as an assumption, implication or conclusion, the whole deduction will fail. Don’t try to imagine what that could entail when a plane is flying with 300 passengers or a space crew is stranded in outer space. False arguments are simply wasteful and potentially harmful. By such argument, I am even referring to many such statements that are made in this space without duty of responsibility to support it with evidence. Today we heard such arguments as Meles was openly expressing wish to take T’io, which was proved wrong. Haw Bayan also made a statement as Tesfatsion, of all people, becoming almost the mainstream in the diaspora! Tesfatsion (real name Eyob) has an open court case in a civil lawsuit in Asmara that he left without attending the proceedings. It involved the taking of money from two individuals that I know personally. But can we say the mainstream diaspora opposition is speaking Tesfatsion’s language?? I dispute that. Thus, frustrations are understandable, but we need to be mindful in promoting a culture of truthfulness. Otherwise, one principle in elementary mathematical logic is that it is not possible to start from a false premise and end up in a conclusion that is true. The three logical axioms are:

            False —-> False is True
            Truth —-> False is True
            False —-> Truth is False
            Truth —-> Truth is True

            In other words, false argument (mathematics uses false in a friendly way:) doesn’t lead to truth. Let’s all take extra care to ensure that our positions are argued from factual bases.

            Thanks Again!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam dear haile TG,

            Frankly, I would be making of myself a mediocre trying to pretend as a giant that you and several who grace us in this forum. Simply stated, I cannot add anything more meaningful than what you have graced my amateurish cursory comment. You have added essential scientific perspectives which my humble qualification could not included to begin with.

            Mathematics is not my forte. But I can understand the key point that you explained, and those who try to tackle fringe groups and their oddities should give proper cognizance. In conventional sense any misstep can become harmful in every sense. Ill-considered hasty statements and comments can become fertile soils for those social or political manifestations to thrive on.

            Thank you so much, haile.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail, Beyan and all,

            Beyan and you have this capacity to present ideas to squeezed to their core. It will be a repetion and edulcoration if I try to state what you both said on the origin, the fringe nature of the not so fringe ideas expanding in Eritrean political sphere and the risk to the existance if Eritrea as we know it. Just to mention, Beyan mentioned Tesfatsion, who produced many of those who are expanding his idea and are populating the popular media. Idea by idea his teaching are infitrating the ‘main stream’ through his products.

            By taking the examples of some European countries, you explained the risk of such extremists coming to power. You mentioned Le Pen. His (and his party’s) journey to extremism is so complicated to be an ‘illustrator’ of our own. Ours is much more precarious than the situation of these european countries for the reason you explained and the way to combat it. I would also add as an illustration of what you mentioned, that the hasty historical and social narratives that has been taught during our struggle era and continues to be the case after independence with absence of research has given avenue to those who find solace in the legendary history. Our historian (not a repriach to you Ismail) are accountable to rectify this. Those who use this default as an avenue to their agendas are also to blamed because they fuel the battle enormously. To give an example, one day, one of the Agazian promoters who was an adept if Tesfatzion, now an independent Agaazi said he “started questioning Eritrean history he learned in school after discovering the existance of ሕጊ እንዳባ” (paraphrasing). He was smittened by the discovery he didn’t learn in school. Many such shortcomng that are being weaponized and launched from inside and outside can be mentioned. I hope the societies that are sprouting here and there for research and publication will place a part of their focus on this aspects of of our social issues.

          • Bayan Negash (Abu Al-Shabain)

            Selam kburat aHwat, Ismail AA, Haile TG, and Haile S.,

            Haw Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for valuing however little my input, your magnanimity is truly beyond compare. I didn’t follow the discussions you’ve already had. You’ve succinctly given me the gist of it – I am grateful. Time permitting, I will do some read up on the thread in question.

            That said, your eloquent entry captures the essence of the potentially divisive issues, left untreated to fester now, will ostensibly metastasize into violent future that Eritrea had never seen before. There is such a precedence, which I will come to in a moment.

            Haile TG,
            Haw Haile TG you think my concerns emanate from “frustration” and then you concluded by giving an unsubstantiated promulgation by saying the following using mathematical formula:

            “…[F]rustrations are understandable, but we need to be mindful in promoting a culture of truthfulness. Otherwise, one principle in elementary mathematical logic is that it is not possible to start from a false premise and end up in a conclusion that is true.”

            Now, I will not make any deductions and pass any judgment on you as a person as I try to categorically refute your assertions; as such, it will defeat my purpose. Therefore, allow me to come at you by sharing a personal story that hopefully will show your erroneous assumption (“premise” as you call it) that drove you to arrive at “a false conclusion”.

            Mind you, I wasn’t even born nor was I told the story by my parents. I heard it when I was young by an elderly neighbor who was adored by the entire block and beyond my neighborhood because Addey Rahma was witty, a walking library of the lived history. She is the type who would ask a passerby the time, when the answer came from the kind stranger as “ሰዓት-ዓሰርተን: Instead of thanking the gracious man she couldn’t resist to throw her rudimentary mathematical genius by saying, ኣንታ ወደይ ሰዓት ዕስራ ዘይትብል ክቐለልካ -:) No doubt, our kbur Haw mathmatician Haile TG, you will get the humor from the unlearned but experienced adey Rahma.

            Now, back to the story. I remember it vividly. I don’t know what precipitated it, but she proceeded to tell me that we lived in that Qeyih Rishan near enda Mahresha somewhere, not too far from shuQ. She said my father and my uncle had a business downstairs their residence somewhere in that building. One day Asmara was besieged by mobs carrying arms who descended on Asmara for three nights. My father, my uncle, and my grandfather had to stay home helplessly waiting for the looting and ransacking of Asmara to subside. And my uncle wanted to go at least grab the cash that they left in their business, after all, the business was in the same building where they lived. My grandfather, however, wouldn’t let my uncle to go fetch the money, clearly, in the process it was highly likely that he would lose his life. So, Addey Rahma concluded her story.

            What I understood in my little brain then to mean that part of the reason we moved to Akhriya before I was born had to do with that violent episode where my parents felt unsafe to live in such an area and that Akhriya was the safest place for my parents to raise their children. Neeldess to say, my uncle packed his luggage and left Asmara for Addis Ababa. He thrived in Addis where nobody was going to violate what he worked hard for. He raised ten children, all of whom were born in Addis, save the one who was born in Asmara.

            Now, how does one use mathematical formula to quantify such a story? You cannot crunch human life as if it was mathematical problem. Therefore, Social Science, for the most part, stays away from quantitative data. The latter has its place in social science, such as Psychology, Sociology, and the like. It is why the discipline of social science relies on qualitative paradigm instead. This is what can happen when good people keep rationalizing the General’s statement as a fringe element. It will grow, it will fester, it will metastasize, and it won’t be the majority who will pay the price, it will be the minority. Well, guess what? The minority from Tigray who live abroad have officially put out a statement condemning the dangerous mindset of the likes of the General/Doctr/Tegadalay. This is where the majority do not have to pay the brunt of what might happen. They can afford to dismiss it as a fringe element.

            Kbur Haw Haile S.,

            You are a real Kindred Spirit in words and in deeds. You seem to read my thoughts in their letter as well as in the spirit I intended them. Wish people stop passing judgments when they communicate. I exactly meant it the way you understood the reason for my invoking the name Tesfatsion. I am not worried about him personally but the poisonous ideas that he propounds. His disciples like SelTene and many others are now regular YouTubers who have enough people who follow them on a daily basis.

            Kbret yhabellay ezom ahwatey for giving me the chance to share my thoughts, which was enriched by your input.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Haw Bayan,

            Haha…your joke is funny! Assumed understanding is killing us Bayan, sadly its in the fabric of our linguistic traits, especially Tigrigna and Amharic. On the text you quoted me, I am addressing all such unfounded claims and the subject is “we”. It was not meant to single you out and only you. So, you either believe that i) information being exchanged here is mostly factual, ii) there are a lot of emotional and manipulated information. In the case of ii – being more evident, I am suggesting what [we] need to do. Dear Bayan, Tesfatsion speaks of ethnic cleansing, genocide and other stuff. If he wasn’t for the fringe that his views are, a mainstream diaspora opposition with those views would be a shocking situation above all. I thought that conclusion was not thought out. Nothing about judging you, deducting about you or anything about your person at all. I try my best to make the discussion less person centered and more idea driven.

            So, Haw Bayan, you know “diaspora” includes the full mosaic of ethnic and religious Eritrea. There are alot of voices, but the mainstream is not becoming Tesfatsion, God forbid. In the same vain, I discourage painting everyone as Jihadist based on identity and pure bigotry.

            Your story is indeed gripping, but no one knows the sufferings of Eritreans regardless of what their region, religion or ethnicity more than you do. Certain groups suffered more than others, for sure, but so far Eritreans have held out very well. It can be a lot worse and we are no better than any people. But we are lucky. Let alone religious war, any kind of conflict is extremely easy to ignite in poor and fragile societies like ours. Our people also go by a lot of “word of mouth” and “entay yibehal alo”. Those of us who can, will do well to feed the people information that is nourished with facts.

            But, if you do truly feel that is how diaspora mainstream is headed, I am personally willing to be all ears. Recently, some people were passing around a fb video with a young Eritrean Muslim guy talking extreme profanities against “Tigrigna” and threatening the ethnic group and saying some horrible things about the person he was talking to (who is a Tigrigna). I heard , I dismissed, I moved on. I also know such things are extremely rare to find among the people in Eritrea proper. That is our mainstream. In terms of religious tolerance, so far so good with Eritrea. And we need to weed out the bad apples, not elevate them.

            Anyhow, in case something you read above sounds personal to you, absolutely not intentional, and it would be great if we can both pick out the ideas and leave out the rest. Thanks Bayan

          • Bayan Negash (Abu Al-Shabain)

            selam Haile TG,
            When I try to see you in my mind’s eye, i.e., my imagination what type of a young man you could’ve been growing up I imagine this young kid who is superbly talented at soccer, almost with Neymar like talents. When I proceed to imagine further I see other attributes, too, such as being a superb talent in playing fuse ball. Then when I imagine you transitioning to a high school, I see this brilliant student yet one who loves to go out in the adult world, such as dancing in night clubs. There, too, I see you out performing everyone with your dancing skills.

            Only when these pictures I have in mind stay intact that am I able to imagine you as an adult who is able to dance his way out of any conversation in this forum and beyond. Not only are you able to dance in the language but you are almost as elusively able to outsmart and outpace the fish in the sea with your swimming skills. I cannot fault you for that. I am reading your exchanges with Berhe Y. now, and I have seen you do the same elusive moves with the language that nobody has been able to catch up with you, you are just this moving target rather difficult to pin down. In real life though, I hope your friends don’t think you’re beyond what I describe you as in being this righteous individual, one who wants to be a leader in opinion making, almost more knowledgeable than knowledge itself. Or do they see as master spinner who is fun and entertaining to be with, who leaves his friends in awe of him because of this immeasurably full of ideas that keeps them three to four steps behind and they are forever trying to pace up to him.

          • haileTG

            Selam Haw Bayan,

            I would say the best approach to advance arguments is to leave the person out of the discussion and keep the ideas and points of view firmly locked in discussion. If personalities and judgements are made the bases of arguments then it is unlikely to lead anywhere. On such scenarios, we are inclined to judge only in ways that puts us in the highest pedestal. I imagine you as a most balanced, thorough, well rounded, fair, good intentioned, inclusive, empathic and faultless individual. God bless you brother.

  • Peace ToAll

    Hello MJ,
    I do not know where you got this idea: “EDF is the most powerful army in the horn.” It is just like claiming Eritrea is the Singapore of Africa. The proof is in the pudding.

    • Metshaf Jigninet

      Hi Peace ToAll,

      I’m sorry to say, but war is the only thing Eritrea is good at.
      The proof is before your eyes and I even informed you about the war, 1998 – 2000, and what it took to advance.

      If you can’t handle facts and want to listen to some Eritreans who seemingly don’t mind sacrificing Tigrayan youths, to reach pedestal, then it’s on you.

      Side note: How about you change your nickname to “War ToAll”? That will exude the personality you’re showcasing. If not, let’s work for “Peace ToAll” together.

      • iSem

        Hi MJ:
        I am not a military analyst, I actually abhor military. My friend Sal wants to eliminate prisons, what a dreamer. I want to eliminate the military, even hopeless dreamer, but you know what I mean
        So, let me ask you how did you arrive at the conclusion EDF is strong, for sure, it can be stronger than TDF now but your claim is bogus for these reasons
        EDF is made up of conscripts of two generations of Eritrea, i
        EDF’s leadership is patronage appointments, they have no value systems that they are protecting
        If that is your dream, fine but if you have facts or you are a military analyst, tell us, please.

        • Metshaf Jigninet

          Selam iSem,

          Both the prisons and the army is needed, but I understand your sentiment.

          EDF is made of tegadelti who know nothing else but war and their children raised into it. Their discipline, endurance, skill and bravery is next to none, by the standards of the region.

          These Tigrayan youths in the links below needs to be told about the prospect of the war and that peace is the only way forth. Instead we have keyboard warriors that have nothing to lose deceiving them, even worse some happen to be Eritreans.

          https://youtu.be/uO9C2QiTH4A
          https://youtu.be/ZwfYg1TBuZo

          You want to pit these untrained kids to fight a war, that will lead absolutely nowhere, against this…

          https://youtu.be/03urIfJfjBQ
          https://youtu.be/vzCHOOA4IFI

      • iSem

        Selam BNB
        ገጣማይ
        ምሃንድሳይ
        ምስ ሓክለ
        ገጥምቲ ወሊዳ አዛ ዓወተ
        ኣቱም ሰባት
        ኣግኣዛያን ኣግኣዝያን ኣይትበሉ
        አዞም ዝቆጻጸዩ ኣግኣዛይን ለይኾኑ
        ጫና ኻባይ ኣልዓልኪ ኣምበረኪ
        አንዳ በሉ
        ኣግ ኣዛይን ኣጋዚኣን ኣይትበሉ
        አቲ ከበሮ
        ን የአምምሮ
        ምስ ለኮቶ
        ምልኪሳዕረረ
        ኣይምስልካን ዶ ዶቶረ
        ኣቱም ሰባት
        ኣግኣዛያን ኣግኣዝያን ኣይትበሉ
        ኣግዞ emancipation ማለት አዮ አኮ

        • Peace!

          Hi Semerila

          እሞ እንታይ ዘሕብእ ኣለካ
          ተቓለሰሉ ኣፍልብኻ ነፊሕካ
          ከይትተርፍ ናብትን ናብት እንዳበልካ

          ህዝቢ ለኪምኩሞ ላንጋ ላንጋ ኮንኩም
          ንህውሓት ክትጽበዩ መሬት ዓሪቡኩም
          ትግራይ ትስዕር ኮይኑ ሰላምታኹም
          ሸንኮለል ኮይኑ ዘይውዳእ መንገድኹም

          እልይ በልሉ ንዚ ውጹዕ ሕዝቢ
          ሕጂስ ይኣኽሎ ኣይትወስኹሉ ናዕቢ
          ዕድል ሃብዎ ከማኹም ደቁ ከዕቢ

          Peace!

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Here is a question of principle. Many fellow debaters argue that the TDF war is pointless and they should accept the peace offer by PMAA or something to that effect. I am not sure if there is such an offer to start with, but let’s assume there is and the idea is being advanced to save the country from needless distraction. Under such assumption, i.e. those with such idea are principled for peace in Ethiopia, let’s consider the following.

    In 1988, a group of Ethiopian army leaders attempted a coup on Col. Mengistu. The leaders of the coup declined an offer to work with EPLF, stating that Ethiopian territorial integrity should not be put in danger by their actions. However, they in turn offered TPLF an opportunity to work with them and bring democratic change in Ethiopia. TPLF in turn declined the offer, stating that its struggle was a popular one and for it to enter into alliance with them, they needed to show it that they have popular support.

    If TPLF was instead to abandon its alliance with EPLF and accept the generals’ offer, it would for sure have saved Ethiopia a lot of bloodshed but denied EPLF any political alliance in Ethiopia to recognize the outcome of the referendum. So, how many awatista (other than guad Abi) would have supported such a negotiated settlement by TPLF to share power with the coup leaders because their war is/was “pointless”?

    Thanks

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      I remember the failed coup on አብዮታዊ መሪ ጏድ መንጌ::
      I don’t remember anything about the offer you mentioned above. This is the first time to learn about such negotiations.
      When did it happen? The attempted coup failed in hours. Some of the leaders of the coup got killed on the spot (“ on the coup table “) . Almost all got apprehended in the same building ( መከላከያ ምትኒስትር).
      General ቁምላቸው escaped.
      My question is simple
      Where and when did the offer you mentioned happen? Before the attempted coup? During the coup? After the failed coup? ( while in prison)

      Please help.

      • haileTG

        Guad Abi,

        Yes, good memory! When people like Gen. Mered took his own life and others got apprehended in Addis, the situation continued for a week or so in Eritrea. The EPLF announced unilateral ceasefire for two weeks and it was reported that they had sent some one to meet them. The said offers were made in that week through the radio station in Asmara. Within some hours the TPLF CC made its response on Dimtsi Woyane Tigray (DWT). I can’t recall how exactly the coup from the Eritrea wing (mostly the 2nd revolutionary command, naval force, police force) actually collapsed. But, one evening around 5pm there was intense small gun fire continuing for an hour or so in Asmara. Due to Eritrea being generally being a war zone, people assumed some kind of fighting breaking out and cleared all streets. But soon the Asmara based Ethiopian radio came back to the air waves and announced that the shots were being fired by celebrating members of the Ethiopian armed forces in the city at a a news of the failure of a coup attempt by “Tiqit ye silTan Timegna general Mekoninoch”. And called for the gun shot celebration to end. The following Monday, the 102nd Airborne division, with red capes, went office to office, station to station picking up people like Gen. Taye Balakier (Eritrea police, Brig. Gen. Afewerki Amdemichael (Naval forces but later other position), Gen. Demisse Bultu 2nd revolutinary division – killed and his body dragged around Keren city…

        The 102 Airborne commandos are said to have really humiliated the generals and killed most of them by sheer physical assaults without a bullet. The airborne division was given recognition for their actions to clear up the deck, they were letter to meet with TPLF in and arround Dessie, in a heavy battle that they were deployed to push back against TPLF fighters heading southwards to AA. The 102 Airborne was reported to have been destroyed completely and put out of action by TPLF in their Twedros Operation in Wello.

        That is my memory from Asmara side, I know things changed in AA very fast as you mentioned though.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          With the coup attempt that you referred earlier, I think there seem to me, your description of the turn of events does not seem inline with what was said by those who were in the know back then.

          Here I share two quotes from different sources.
          1) Dawit Woldeghergious who was working with those inside to overthrow the Derg regime, and EPLF positions as well as those involved.
          2) MZ interview with Paul Henze describing TPLF position during the coup.

          The way forward for Ethiopia and Eritrea http://www.ethiomedia.com/adroit/2512.html

          After I left the Derg at the end of 1985, I became actively involved in the effort to overthrow the regime through the movement we had established, The Free Ethiopian Soldiers Movement. The first attempt was the failed coup of the generals. I and my colleagues did the external arrangement for the coup. During those times I went into the area controlled by the EPLF in Nakfa . We discussed the role of the EPLF and suggested to EPLF leaders to participate in a transitional government in the post Derg period. EPLF agreed that it will unilaterally implement a cease fire and participate in the transitional government to negotiate the future of Eritrea. After this attempt failed, I was again involved in another similar effort. The EPLF’s position was unchanged. The EPLF was willing to participate in a transitional government of Ethiopia. And this was only a few months before TPLF marched into Addis. We were about to try once again, but the TPLF rejected the proposal and the attempt was aborted.

          Meles Zenawi’s interview with Paul Henze 1990

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/tassew.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/meles-zenawis-interview-with-paul-henze-1990/amp/

          PBH: I have the impression that the situation in respect to Asmara is similar to that with Gondar – the Derg’s ability to hold out there is steadily eroding. Eventually the city will fall to the EPLF. Perhaps before that happens the Derg forces there will work out some sort of deal with the EPLF. Do you think this is likely?

          MZ: You know that during the coup attempt last May we were in contact with the Derg forces in Asmara and offered a ceasefire and collaboration, just as the Eritreans did. We thought we could work out a truce and lay the basis for a new relationship in the region. We could have done that with the people with whom we made contact. But elements loyal to Mengistu got the upper hand. They thought Mengistu could do wonderful things for them. He probably made all sorts of promises of promotion to them. We think these elements still control Asmara and we have not seen evidence that their control is weakening yet. No one has tried to contact us.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            I don’t see what part of DW/G account differed from mine. EPLF offered unilateral ceasefire. That’s what we both are saying. I wasn’t part of the actual meetings. MZ above is talking about 1990/91 the fall of Eritrea. This thread is about 1988.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            MZ is talking about the same coup.

            I know based on what wrote you were not there because everything you said happened is the opposite of what happened, with EPLF, TPLF and the Derg officials position except the fact that coup happened and EPLF announced unilateral ceasefire.

          • haileTG

            Hi Berhe,

            Sorry, but MZ is not talking about the same event….you got the wrong source.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            What event he is talking about then?

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            He is talking about the fall of Asmara to EPLF – advancing from Dekemhare, GhindE, Keren fronts in last days of the Dergue. Read the question, he says EPLF is about to take Asmara, have you spoken to the Ethiopian army? is what he is asking MZ…. that was 90/91 (from the fall of Massawa to the fall of Asmara). BTW were you in Eritrea in that time??

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            You are splitting hairs. I was referring to this particular statement related to coup.

            You know that during the coup attempt last May we were in contact with the Derg forces in Asmara and offered a ceasefire and collaboration, just as the Eritreans did.

            .

            Key word: during the coup attempt last May

            The interview was in 1990, don’t know the exact month. The coup happened in May 16, 1989.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            “everything you said happened is the opposite of what happened, with EPLF, TPLF and the Derg officials position except the fact that coup happened and EPLF announced unilateral ceasefire.”

            Everything you brought up is in support of what I said. I don’t really get what you’re proving or disproving here?? EPLF did ceasefire – check. TPLF and army had exchange through press releases I heard on radio – check. What is bothering you? the MZ Q is about fall of Asmara – read the question. Not a statement given in May 16/89. But, which fact do you like corrected?…specifically?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            It’s not because it’s bothering me. But you started with wrong statements to start the thread and you concluded with wrong statements. I am trying to correct you, by bringing statements by those involved.

            Let me break it down for you, at the risk of repeating myself.

            Here is what you said about EPLF with regards to that event:

            In 1988, a group of Ethiopian army leaders attempted a coup on Col. Mengistu. The leaders of the coup declined an offer to work with EPLF, stating that Ethiopian territorial integrity should not be put in danger by their actions.

            This second part of your statement is not accurate. The coup leaders did not decline EPLF offer. Here is what DW/G, said happened.

            The first attempt was the failed coup of the generals. I and my colleagues did the external arrangement for the coup. During those times I went into the area controlled by the EPLF in Nakfa . We discussed the role of the EPLF and suggested to EPLF leaders to participate in a transitional government in the post Derg period. EPLF agreed that it will unilaterally implement a cease fire and participate in the transitional government to negotiate the future of Eritrea.

            Here is what you said with regards to TPLF of the same event:

            However, they in turn offered TPLF an opportunity to work with them and bring democratic change in Ethiopia. TPLF in turn declined the offer, stating that its struggle was a popular one and for it to enter into alliance with them, they needed to show it that they have popular support.

            This is not true.
            1) The Derg officials did not offer anything to TPLF.
            2) TPLG didn’t decline anything.

            Here is Melles exact words to what TPLF position was of the event.

            You know that during the coup attempt last May we were in contact with the Derg forces in Asmara and offered a ceasefire and collaboration, just as the Eritreans did…. No one has tried to contact us.

          • haileTG

            Dear Berhe,

            When you dispute my own personal account of what I heard and saw, you need alternative personal accounts. Your opinion is fine, so long as it is making sense to you:)

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            Unless you are one of those involved in the negotiations [which you admitted you were not], what you saw or heard from your home means nothing. You will not have this much access of detailed information as an ordinary citizen.

            But that’s not that important, and it would not amount to nothing. The problem I am having is you fail to admit your “personal account” that you have evidence to support it.

            For example, in MZ interview with Paul Henze, he talked about many things [ by the way the interview was on April 1990]. But MZ also talked about the “coup of last May”, which is May 1989 the same event the coup taken place. Is there any other coup that happened at the same time by the same people. NO. He clearly is talking about the coup you brought it up. You said he was talking about something else and you would not admit it’s the same event. ዋላ ትንፈር እምበር ጤል ኢያ . I am ok with it as well.

            What I am not ok with is, the conclusion you were driving using the re-telling the story of the coup that you brought up. You said:

            If TPLF was instead to abandon its alliance with EPLF and accept the generals’ offer, it would for sure have saved Ethiopia a lot of bloodshed but denied EPLF any political alliance in Ethiopia to recognize the outcome of the referendum.

            As you always try to imply in many occasions, Eritrea independence was made possible because of TPLF. I am not denying, MZ and Ethiopia government acceptance made the process simpler but far cry from truth that it wouldn’t happen if it wasn’t for TPLF. Be that as it may, the above statement is factually not accurate.

            1) First Derg officials never offered anything to TPLF. MZ confirmed in his interview (the reason you do not want to admit that he is talking about the same coup, it invalidates your argument).
            2) TPLF have offered the same conditions to the coup leaders as EPLF (per MZ), which also invalidates your statement that TPLF has different position as EPLF.
            3) TPLF in this case did nothing different (chose it’s alliance with EPLF rather than save Ethiopia from integration) which you have nothing to back it up your claim.

            As FYI, EPLF and TPLF relationship was cutoff from 1984-1988. The relationship restarted after EPLF liberation of Afabet (Feb 1988) where TPLF send congratulations message to EPLF and the relationship restarted. You can reach your own conclusion but I do not think there was much alliance between the liberation of Afabet (feb 1988) the Derg Coup (May 1989) to warrant TPLF decision as you alluded to.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            You are on overdrive for something rather straightforward.

            1 – there was coup in 1989

            2 – the Addis wing collapsed quickly

            3 – the Eritrea wing held up for a week or so

            I was in Asmara, Eritrea at the time, here are what I witnessed first hand:

            4 – one of those evenings, around 9pm a press release was read in the radio from the coup organizers. A key and memorable phrase they used:

            የጠላትህ ጠላት ወዳጅህ ነውና ኣብረን ክንዳችን እናንሳ –

            5 – around 6am the following morning, DWT read out a press release in response. A key memorable phrase they used:

            የጠላታችን ጠላት ሳይሆን የህዝብን ወዳጅ ነው የኣላማችን ወዳጅ ስለዚህ ህዝብን ከጎን ያሰለፈ ኣላማ ሊኖራቹ ያስፈልጋል።

            6 – one evening around 5pm there was intense gun fire, later announced on radio that it was celebratory gun fire and call went out to stop it.

            7 – the following Monday, the killings and the rest happened.

            These are first hand witness accounts as I saw and heard.

            Since you said my information means nothing, you should no longer trust or allow anyone to recount their experience.

            You brought PH interview with MZ, a question unrelated to the coup, to discount my conclusions. So, you need to disprove what I said by bringing sources about the event. MZ was not asked about the 1989 coup nor was he addressing that. Look at the question and the date. MZ didn’t say anything about what is being discussed here.

            My questions are based on those experiences shared. And, they ask that what if TPLF’s press release on that date said yes?? And took advantage of that?

            Unless you are disputing the set of events above, bring evidence, then your political analysis and opinions may or may not be correct but they are inconsequential.

            I do understand your overall intentionality, but I don’t see how you can achieve your goals by playing nonsensical with your arguments.

            Dear Berhe, ultimately either you will defend Eritrea from me or I will defend Eritrea from you. Time will tell who will inherit and who will be expelled from their birth place. Till then we would be better off to use normal rules of arguments than waste time with futile works of an enemy.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I don’t know when you don’t like the argument going your way, you go to unsaid or unwanted argument. Who said anything about expelling anyone. እንታይ ኢኻ ትበኪ as we use to say. My approach to my fellow Eritreans like you who want TPLF to be their savour is, they are simply on the wrong side. And like we say “ተመሊስካ ትረድኦ ገዲፍካዮ አይትእቶ: ካብ ወረድና አይንገድፈኩምን እና : ስኽፍ አይበልካ”

            I still can’t believe you think MZ response is not related to the coup.

            አነ ይግድድ ምሳኽ ዘኹድድ : ድዩ ዝበሃል::
            ይኹነልካ ካብ በልካስ::

          • haileTG

            Haha Berhe!

            You reminded me the old don’t cry quip…I used so much growing up, I had to upvote your otherwise accusatory comments.

            Berhe, you have set up two ways for our politics in your mind. Either to join the regime’s criminal action in the region or join TPLF to set up the next administration. Those are false choices and dangerous in the way they close political space and instead agitate for internal conflict.

            There are those of us who are pleased that PFDJ did not get away with its plans and should pay the price for its blunder.

            There are those of us who believe that we don’t need PFDJ in resolving our regional or sovereign issues.

            There are those of us who believe TIgray government has neither the need, capacity or moral grounds to colonize Eritrea. We can work amicably to address issues and move forward in creating a stable relationship that respects both people’s internal diversity and dynamic.

            You obviously chose the two way approach. How is that working? Don’t you feel you are blocking or attempting to do so, sections of Eritrea as stated above from contributions to their destiny? Isn’t that works of the enemy? PFDJ is engaged in such works of an enemy for obvious reasons, there are others doing so for rather hideous reasons, what do you gain by working in futility to close off political space for all Eritreans? Does that have any value in the current situation? Perhaps, slow down the TDF? Not quite, only undermining Eritrea to the hilt.

            As to the MZ interview, clearly doesn’t speak to the coup per se but what TPLF intended to do in 90/91.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I am glad I reminded you our old ways…,that’s what I intended. And let me remind you another one… አንታሰብአይ: ክንደይ ክትሰላበጥ ኢኻ::

            Off the two choices that you think that I created in my mind, which one doing you think I belong to? Off course I don’t belong in the join TPLF camp so by deduction, you are telling me “I joined the regime criminal action”. ዚስ ኢዝ ዋይ አይ ሰይድ ስልበጣ: ባዕልኻ ፈጢርካ ንዓይ ተልግበለይ::

            I think you forgot, there is a third way. Here is how I put it the last time:
            1) NNNN – Those with PFDJ, obviously.
            2) NTTN – NiHna Tigray Tigray NiHna, the Amanuel Iyasu and followers camp
            3) NEEN – NiHna Ertra Ertra Nihna. These are the rest of us, which I believe I belong.

            As I said before, anyone can contribute in the way they see that benefit them. It’s futile attempt to reconcile these three entities and I will not try for the life of me. It’s okay to go our separate ways… just please stop እዚ ሓሓሊፍካ እዝጋምቤቲ ትገብረልና:)

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Yes, Berhe አንታሰብአይ: ክንደይ ክትሰላበጥ ኢኻ:: is also another funny one I heard much in heated arguments:)

            Anyhow, you really have to walk the path of fairness in this regard. We all know the real potential of the conflict in Tigray going regional [read crossing the border into Eritrea]. This is the difficult part that has divided the opposition. In reality, it hasn’t happened yet and may not even happen by some luck, but the division in the opposition camp has happened and it will stay. So, in fairness, since such is the central bone of contention among Eritrean opposition (possible TDF invasion), can you say there really are three camps? Can one support the success of TDF and oppose its possible invasion? Wouldn’t cheering TDF put them automatically of the second camp? Or can some one cheer the success of EDF in Tigray and not be put on the first camp? The grey line you stated doesn’t really exist on the ground. Like all wars, this war too has closed off political space. The fall out from that would haunt us for a very long. Case in point is how the closing off of political spaces following the border war resulted in turning Eritrea upside down. So, ezgambieti … hmmm Tihisho…egrna sebirkana zeloka:)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            It’s natural that for Eritrean to cross over the division line as issue specific. The third group see, EDF as Eritrean entity that should serve Eritrean interests, and not IA force. Yes, he is the commander and chief and they are under his command, but not totally loyal to him but to the country.

            For example, all those doctors who were labeled as PFDJ or hidden PFDJ etc, because they oppose the alliance of TDF to overthrow IA, have never supported EDF involving in Tigray. All of them, have said, it was wrong and are ready to accept responsibility. But it’s not registering with the number 2 camp, because they have not endorsed the alliance.

            At the same time, the NNNN group would cross over to the third group (NEEN) if TDF threaten and try to invade Eritrea.

            Even here at awate, you know exactly who is who and where one would fall under without naming names.

            As you said, TDF will do the assessment and they will try to reevaluate their situation, as Abiy/IA will do. You may be right, they may see heading North [I mean East to sea outlet] to Eritrea is probably the enemy they would rather face rather than the rest of Ethiopians, because of numbers, resources, etc and they may change opinions of Key bahrachin craze.

            But the other side have also not played their hands fully, as Beyan tried to warn few weeks ago. For example,
            1) I don’t think Abiy issue with Oromo is a threat to his survival and he can easily make up with them and gain their support (just assuming it’s not there today) and remember the Oromo where responsible for the ousting of EPRDF but n the first place.
            2) External actors such as Turkey, Russia and China can step in and fill the economic gap that’s created by Europe and US. Such as Ethiopia to utilize and use Asseb and alleviate the economic burden.
            3) US and EU influence is winding down and I think Ethiopia can stand it. The way I see it, the most majority of Ethiopians will be fine but those in the top may be impacted, but I think that will not be a huge problem in the long term.

    • Mez

      Dear Haile TG,

      1) the tplf leader already in the recent past asked for peace negotiation, via the UN; we have to see what would come from there. Nothing is wrong with that.
      1.1) anything towards peace–where potentially 6million people are in danger of sever hunger (out of the 7 million total population) shall be a more than welcome news. Always.
      2) the geopolitical setup of the horn of Africa is taking shape very rapidly:
      2.1) Turkey is being a main player (in Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan–(with the 2bln financing which may split sudan from egypt and the bad intended new war front with ethiopia), and now south Sudan). The newly evolving south Sudan case will for sure shoke the US.
      2.1.1) things are changing very rapidly. Egypt may undertake a project connecting the Congo with white Nile river, further decreasing the conflict potential.
      Thanks

      PS: something wrong with the awate website lately? I can hardly edit any thing

      • haileTG

        Selamat Mez,

        Yes, I heard about Deretsion’s call of UNSG asking for negotiated ceasefire and rejection of AU as mediator. This sounds their usual position. No? Kenya also called on PMAA to lift the terrorist designation. But, unconfirmed news says, at least publicity, PMAA has ruled out peace talks with TDF. Yesterday, the Arab Parliament leader criticized the Arab nation for not putting more pressure on Ethiopia on its intransigence on the Nile issue. The Arab Parliament leader was quoted as saying that the Nile issue is not only Egyptian issue but an issue for the Arab Nation and as such the latter should take stronger stance against Ethiopia to force it to make compromises and negotiate in good faith.

        The above being the news round up, what is your take on my question?

        Thank you

  • haileTG

    Selam MJ,

    No clear path to victory for any side. I have predicted right from the outset that such would be the case. Including when PMAA declared victory and TDF was encircled in central Tigray without any heavy weapons. I still believe that such will be the final resolution.

    Dr. Debretsion wrote a letter to UNSC today, seen by AP, in which he called for a negotiated ceasefire but rejected AU mediation because it is based in AA. But, PMAA has ruled out negotiation with TPLF in a news today. Ultimately, TDF is a sizable force with genuine popular support among most Tigrayans.

    Amhara is fighting for land, Oromo is fighting for power, Tigray is fighting for federal constitution and PMAA/IA are fighting to stay to safeguard their throne. This is the brutal dirty war going on in the planet as we speak. By dirty, I mean everyone is in to advance individual agenda and nobody cares about the collective. This includes the spectators too.

    In your opinion, who has the moral high ground at this time?

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      The Oromos, Amharas, Afaris, and all Ethiopians are fighting to save Ethiopia from the invading TDF.
      Tired of cleaning up your mess! Tired of correcting your mistakes.

  • haileTG

    Selamat!

    ኣንታ ኣነ’ስ ኣባጂጎ ጭርቃን ክፈጥር ከሎ’ስ ነዞም ደቂ’ስመራ እዩ ሂብዎም መስለኒ። ንፍሊጶ’ሲ “ኣብ ጉድጓዳ ደቂሳ ኮላ ዝሓዝዋ ኣንጭዋ” ኢሎሞ ባቃ:-)

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Trying to con people to believe that a TPLF invasion of Eritrea is plausible and tolerable if not beneficial, is tantamount to selling sugar coated cyanide pills. Proliferation of ridiculous conspiracy theories will hardly entice anyone to engage in a Jim Jones style, Jonestown, Guyana; style of suicide massacre. Where were all the wild conspiracy theories back when Meles was openly expressing his desire to take Tiyo?

    • Saleh Johar

      Dongolo,
      That’s a new information, when did Meles express his desire to take Ti’o? Any reference please?

      • Hashela

        Selam Saleh

        While, like you, I am hearing for the first time that Meles (RIH) had the desire to occupy ጢዖ, what kind of difference does it make from his general’s attempt to occupy Assab?
        During the offensive aiming to occupy Assab, Meles was the Commander in Chief and he did nothing to stop the offensive. To claim that Meles didn’t know about Tzadkan’s intention and/or couldn’t stop the invasion war at Burie Front defies logics and is in contradiction to established military command structures. Tzadkan was fired after the Invasion war and there is little evidence that Tzadkan was fired because of his war adventure.
        In term of violation of Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity, what kind of difference does it make as to whether Meles approved an attempt to occupy T’o, a claim that needs substantiated, or the occupation of Assab, an attempt which is public knowledge?

        • Saleh Johar

          Hashela,
          Don’t branch out, I just asked for a reference because I prefer to be specific. Even if his generals said, it that should be stated as such. Now a similar question to you. Pls be specific: what general mentioned Ti’o and where? Loose statements should be correct. If you prefer to form your opinion based on anything you hear, good for you but I don’t operate that way. I asked a specific question with a “please” and I expected an answer from a specific person. You didn’t help at all but you are reprimanding me for asking. Why does that bother you?
          Thank you.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            It does bother me because the discussion about whether or not Meles (RIH) approved an attempt to occupy Ti‘o blurs Meles‘ greater sin, namely his tacit or otherwise approval of an attempt to occupy Assab

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            You could have another point on Assab and Tsadqan, but let’s be factual. On Asseb and Tsadqan, I have written about it and mentioned it in one of my Negarit episodes. Ti’o is not Assab which is not Ti’o. We should quote such things correctly. Please bring arguments relevant to the topic I was interested in, ie, Ti’o. Anything else is a different topic. I suggest we leave our emotion outside such discussions, if we are serious that is.

            NB: you forgot to say, may he have a black cat for a child 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            I remember your interview with Meles. In the segment you discussed regarding the ports, Meles emphasized the importance of Tiyo ( I thought I read Tilo) port.
            I don’t remember mentioning anything remotely close to taking it over.
            BTW, you provided us with only the first part of the interview. You promised us the second part as well. Still waiting Mr Godot:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks Abi,
            I also think that was the “evidence” and you correctly remember it. Nothing like taking it over and that is why I was surprised at the claim.
            The second part was already published and is somewhere in the archives…I will fish it out when I get the time.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Saleh Johar. You will recall during your 2011 interview with MZ the importance that he gave to Tiyo. MZ refusing to adhere to the EEBC final and binding decision, wished to ‘negotiate’ implementation of the EEBC border ruling and had mentioned Tiyo Port in this regard. Related Wikileaks cables can be dug out.

        • Saleh Johar

          No, Dongolo,
          The only reference to Ti’o by Meles was in an interview I conducted with him. I didn’t hear that mentioned before the interview and he died soon after. You can surmise whatever you like, but your claim is just an opinion and I think you are wrong.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Saleh –
            Meles made a reference of Tsio in one of his interviews in the line of…in fact the closest port to Ethiopia is not Assab but Tsio …but he made that reference just to say – there are ports all around Ethiopia that is more economical than Assab depending where the goods destination …so from hargessa to port Sudan kind of argument …no desire of using force to take it expressed as far as i remember
            Note the Tsadkan and Jobe Red Sea desires and influence in the years to come depending the war outcome.

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Kaddis,
            True, it’s the only time Ti’o was raised as far as I remember. And I know when Meles said that and to whom he said it. Here is the reference:

            http://awate.com/awate-com-interview-meles-zenawi-sizes-up-the-region/

          • haileTG

            Thanks for the link SGJ!

            For those who wish to only zoom at the part where Meles, according to Dongolo, “… was openly expressing his desire to take Tiyo” is in the following paragraph:

            “The current prospects in Ethiopia now are such that even if we had Eritrean ports as key ports, we will still be needing Djibouti. So, while we have not given up on the hope of normalization between these two countries, Eritrea and Ethiopia, nevertheless, we are convinced that even with normalization, Asseb and Massawa, and a few other ports like Tio, will just not be enough.”

            Who benefits by such mischief and attempts to confuse the Eritrean people??

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh & Haile-TG,

            አብዚ እኔሄልካ አብ ገጹ። ንመዳናገርቲስ ከምዚኣድአ።

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum,

    My query for news for today August 26, 2021 and has resulted who is who in the war that is going on between TPLF and PP

    There are 4 armed movements that have alliance with the TPLF and they are:

    1) Oromo Liberation Front. note, its leader Jala Moro says, the alliance will go bigger

    2) Afar National Democratic Party. note, the Afars are divided between PP and TDF

    3) Beni Shanqul People Liberation Movement : note, established in 1963, GERD is in Beni Sahangul, Sudan says Ethiopia which informed that it won’t not acknowledge agreements singed during the colonial area , has to return Beni Shangul to Sudan. Beni Shangul which was part of Sudan was given to Ethiopia in 1902 in agreement signed by Britain which was colonizing Sudan and Ethiopia.

    4) Ogaden Liberation National Front . note: , separating the Ethiopian Somali Kilil and join Somalia.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Brhan,

      To add some to your list :

      (a) the Agow liberation front (ALF), already have made a United front with TDF.

      (b) The Sidama liberation movement (SLA)in the Southern part of Ethiopia.

      (C) The Afar Revolutionary Democratic Unity Front (ARDUF) in the Afar region of Ethiopia.

      Regard

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise is back with an opinion piece. In his article on Washington Post, he criticized US policy on Turkey’s arms sales and drone proliferating. He writes:

    in recent days, Abiy has traveled to Turkey, ostensibly to promote diplomacy. In reality, it appears the meeting was to arrange delivery of Bayraktar TB2 and Anka-S drones to Abiy’s forces to use against the Tigrayans. Such drones could be as much a game-changer in the Horn of Africa as they were in the South Caucasus when Azeri forces overran Armenian towns in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    In effect, Erdogan’s actions are for drone proliferation what Pakistani nuclear scientist AQ Khan was for nuclear weapons. Erdogan and his clients may seek ethnic cleansing against Yazidis, Armenians, and Tigrayans, but, for both ideological and financial reasons, Erdogan does not care.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat-TG,

      I don’t think the new drones from the Turkish government will make any difference. Already one Turkish drone is shot down in the Amara region. Besides, ENDF and their republican guard are obliterated in the Wollo front. Check the intercepted communication of the retreating Abiy’s army. Also check a clip from the Debark front, General Migbey giving directions on the war front after they climbed the Lemalmo mountains – also known የስምየን ታራራ።

      Regard

      • leGacY

        HI Amanuel,
        While it might not make a huge impact no doubt it will prolong the conflict and thereby extending the misery of the miserable people.

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      If I remember correctly, the TDF is determined to eradicate the Amharas in the name of ሂሳብ ማወራረድ. When are you going to gather your courage and tell your TDF to stay in their borders instead of their reckless adventures?

      • iSem

        Hi Abi:
        A drunk Muslim man was behind the wheel. A police office stops him and tests his alcohol level and he is over the limit
        The police office says to the man: sir you are drunk step out.
        The man says: no, sir, I am Muslim, I do not drink, I live by the words:, he who handles alcohol, he who sells it, and he who drinks it are all sinners.
        Police officer says: beautiful words, too bad they are coming from inebriated mouth and arrest him ( story by Saatanic Sal, 2002 awate.com)
        If those words were not coming from bigoted mouth, I would have said, I concur Abi. If YOU have said, the same when ENDF and ENDF were in Tigray doing what they do best: killing and raping.

        • Abi

          iSem
          Definitely you misunderstood what I tried to say.
          My comment was related to the fake “ ethnic cleansing “ complaints from near and far. The best way to avoid it is to leave the Amhara and Afar lands. It is either they get out or face the consequences without any complaining.
          I know it is a little complicated for the likes of legacy. I hate placing you with those slow people. iSemam ende?
          As I said million times before, I CARE LESS as to what happened or happening to the Tigray people anymore.
          I was wrong defending them in the past.
          ተግባባን?

      • leGacY

        Abuca,
        You sound so wounded . What is it? Is it the WEBO and TDF alliance that’s giving you nightmares ? Miskin.

        • Abi

          legacy
          The alliance between WEBO ( whatever that means) and TDF is
          “የአህያ ባል ከጅብ አያስጥልም”

          የአይጥ ባል ከድመት አያስጥልም is more fitting.

      • Peace ToAll

        Selam Abi,
        Please do not mislead people. They specifically/exactly said elite Amharas like you not the innocent Amhara peasants as evidenced in the liberated Amhara areas.

    • Brhan

      Selam halieTG,
      It seems the Turkey drones are insignificant compared to the UAE drones. This is what I understood from GR interview. Militarily, the balance, is totally, different: TDF now and then.
      Turkey, said last July ‘No Turkish drone in Ethiopia’
      Meanwhile, the Turkish embassy called reports on the presence of Turkish drones in Ethiopia as false and fabricated.
      “Allegations that have been circulating on social media that Turkey is supplying Ethiopia with drones are false,” it tweeted.

      I do not know if there is a change in its policy since A. Ahmed’s recent visit to Turkey

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awitista,

    No sooner that the rainy season is coming to an end, reports of troop movements and skirmishes seem to pick up between Eritrea and Tigray. The Sanctioning of FW and the EU leaked diplomatic brief yesterday may have more to do with situation on ground. There is no other media or otherwise verification for the tweet below by Rashid Abdi – who seems to be back to twitter. Take it with a pinch of salt.


    Rashid Abdi
    @RAbdiAnalyst
    ·
    11h
    Speculation Eritrean invasion of Tigray may have began. Heavy fighting reported on Adigrat frontline between TDF and EDF.

    Comes barely 24 hrs after US put Eritrean army chief on sanctions list.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat haileTG
      So, if IDF [not EDF mind you] is invading Tigray and if somehow the tide changes and TDF invade Eritrea, whose fault is this?

      • haileTG

        Hi MM,

        እዋእ ከባድ ሕቶያ እዚኣ! ምኽንያቱ ኣብ ደብረ ቢዘን ዘሎ ቐሺ ወቂዑኒል’ካ ደብረ ቢዘን ዶ ይእቶ?

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selamat haileTG,
          Where I would go then? I mentioned before I believe in በትረ ሙሴ
          Until we start to realize a spade is a spade, Eritrean misery will continue. Why are we having hard time to see this?

    • Berhe Y

      Hi HaileTG,

      I am not supporting Eritrea invasion or involving in the war in Tigray. From IA point of do you think he will just wait for TDF to win the war and turn around and eliminate him?

      As you have indicated many times, Eritrea /IA is not part of the peace negotiations but something to be dealt with once TDF concludes the conflict with Abiy either peacefully or by force. [sorry if my understanding is wrong]

      For example, General Migbay have given a stark warning what their intentions will be against the Eritrean authorities.

      Do you expect IA and company to seat ideally knowing full well what’s coming their way?

      Do you also think, it was premature to declare that “Eritrea had deployed all it can and this nothing left” to engage in the conflict?

      Do you think, TPLF leaders really understand the capabilities of EDF, but they keep going on underestimating them?

      Do you see any possibility that Eritrea can be part of the peaceful solution, as I see no clear end to this war?

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Berhe,
        If you really believe in your heart that Eritrean invasion or involving in the war in Tigray is wrong, you should clearly say that and stop it there.
        Why do we need to involve on Ethiopian internal issue.
        I really feel it because my nephew/niece are there and don’t want them to die for this evil DIA’s case.
        What’s to you?
        Defending Eritrea is something different than invading Tigray in support of the colonel.
        Think from your kids point of view. You don’t want to lose any of your kids. Do you?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi MM,

          I don’t how better way to say it other than what I said.

          As an example, I have my youngest brother who is there not directly deployed but still serving in the national service, who might get deployed if he is called. I don’t know any Eritrean who directly or not doesn’t have their family there. I bring this up, just to highlight, that I don’t think because it’s for personal reason people chose one way or the other in many cases, even though my position is not different than yours.

          All I am trying to say is እዴኻ ከም ዝደለየቶ ዘይኮነስ : ዕዳጋ ከም ዝጸንሓካ እዩ::

          As long as we have the dictator at home, he will continue to our our kids in harms way, specially when TDF generals vow to get even at him.

          Remember what I said about a week ago when the Afghanistan issue arises. IA will take advantage of the situation now, looks like that is what he is doing.

          Now, imagine with this whole Afghanistan, the US can take any military action and the government can justify for it.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Berhe,

        I think you have two broad questions: military and political/peace engagement. I understand that in the military aspect of your question you’re looking for what the possible justification could be (threat of use of force by TDF), readiness, capability, possible outcome. And on the political side, you’re looking at the possible route to be part of the peace process as a principal stake holder. Please correct me if you think my understanding has missed your point.

        On the military side:

        Yes, the Eritrean regime can justify pre-emptive offensive based on stated threat that are on public records. We can go back to discuss how we got here in the first place, but that really doesn’t get consideration when responding to imminent threat. Personally, I don’t support such an offensive, this is pure statement of facts as they are presented to us. I hope this address your question with justification.

        In terms of battle readiness, we can all agree that militarism is the only thing the regime has been engaged in since 94/95. Therefore, there is no doubt that it is always ready. The question is what capabilities can it bring to the battlefield. In my opinion, weapons are not a limitation but the style of war being conducted is. EDF has shown strong defensive capability. There is not many examples of sustained, long distance, mobile offensive capability. There were limited examples, such as the movement from Bure front to Tsorona front during the border war, but the actual battles were at the destination. You could take the Massawa offensive 1990, which actually involved moving battles all the way to the port city in one direction and GhindaE in the other. There are no such examples of recent memory. I doubt very much EDF can fight the type of battles that are going on in Gondar, Wollo and Afar regions. These are constantly moving frontlines, with positions changing hands frequently. They also involve extremely high casualty and loss of hardware. And naturally unpredictable. EDF is good at digging in and holding defensive positions. The terrain also gives it an advantage because advancing forces from the south have lower altitude to launch offensives from. Thus, unless EDF is cut at weak spots, naturally its defensive capability would likely result on high kill ratio.

        In terms of the possible outcome, we need to clarify our assumptions here, either EDF is fully united or not. If there are disgruntled officers who could cause reversals (few happened in the border war), that could have an impact on the overall standing. However, if the EDF is fully united and only assumes a defensive posture, it has a good chance of hold off an offensive. If the EDF is on the offensive, it is my personal opinion, but it would be dependent on many factors, including devastating defeat or crushing victory.

        Now, on the political side, technically, Eritrea could be part of the peace deal from the border issue perspective. In which case, it can be seen as a means to solve the areas of disagreement for good and demarcate the border. This would have an added benefit in securing a lasting peace. Since, the border issue is mostly with the Tigray region and both sides have now entered into bloody conflict, it is unlikely it would be resolved if left to them. Unfortunately, as saay shared recently, IA declined an offer on that on his recent engagement with the US envoy. And since, the GiE is not up and running, nobody else is capable of touching that subject from the Eritrean side.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          I was not thinking that EDF goes and invade Tigray and hold positions and occupy the region. There is nothing it will gain. What I am saying is, IA, will not seat ideally and become dinner to TDF if they defeat ENDF / Abiy. Weather EDF is good at offensive battle or not, well I think it has to do what’s the motivation for the advancing army.

          On the political side, what ever the US offered last time, if this go on with no clear winner in short term, all will be able evaluate their positions and accept the reality in the ground.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Fair point. But in connection to the occupation or holding positions, I don’t think so ether. The war, if there is to be one, will note be territorial. It would be political and as such the target for EDF is Mekelle and the target for TDF is Asmara. Any territory taken on the way is a mere tactical position. They may not even fight in any of the disputed border regions much but seek to take up positions along the way to each other’s capital. That is why I wanted to look at EDF’s capability in that type of mobile warfare. TDF have shown that such is their forte so far.

            In connection to your view on my other question about the survival of EDF post IA, it is difficult to ascertain that type of unity and discipline on the ground. We all know about generals having agelglot working in their farms, we know the Jan 21/2013 Wed Ali move was claimed as religiously motivated, albeit false, by the regime. We also know many officers are incarcerated without fair trial. We know 80% of its leadership come from particular segment of our country. I wish the narratives we hope to get across actually align with the facts on the ground. But, unfortunately, every side in the conflict would say exactly that about the force they support on this conflict.

            I have no doubt Eritrea will survive with or without EDF. The going might get tough and it may take a while for peace to return, but it would survive – it is for sure.

          • iSem

            Hi HTG:
            There is this narrative that MS infected this forum with and it is that EDF is an institution. It is not. It is a patronage groupies. Generals and leaders are promoted or demoted at IA’s whim and they do not pledged allegiance to the country. Even in countries like Sudan and Egypt and Pakistan, a general has power. That is why in the Arab spring, the Egypt’s military protected demonstrators for the most part, the leaders have a say, they get there by meritocracy.
            So EDF is there to protect IA, it is designed that way. So of IA falls, the EDF will splinter. FW runs his business, his farm and and his job from one location. His ex girl friend told us so, he has menafesha and office and parks and in his compound.
            EDF is not an inst, so it will/cannot be be part of the change. MS’s deams and I drean that too. Of course a lot of them are good ppl and will join to protect the country, but mostly they will splintering and running away to their families they have seen once a year for the last 20 years. EDF is not only made up mostly conscripts but two generation family serve in it, compulsory. There is no miliary academy for those who want to be commissioned soldiers. A man goes to Saw in 1996 and his child joins him in Sawa in 2010 and he is the trainer there, that is the EDF that MS was bragging about, an army that is serving IA. But IA a different elite army/security that protects him and IA can disown EDF in a dime when push comes to shove. His special army are well groomed, well fed, well paid, and sleep in their beds most of the time and their kids do not go to saw, they go overseas to study and their one job is protection of IA and when he kicks the bucket to defend his legacy by protecting his replacement

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I think the discussion is being diverted where I don’t see relevance. I started by asking, does the statement from TDF spokesperson or the General Migbay would invite IA to engage EDF in the conflict. EDF deployment in the western Ethiopia cutting / blocking access to Sudan is how far IA would push.

            Occupying Mekele would not serve him anything and he is no foolish when it comes to evil calculations.

            TDF going to Asmara and remove him from power is the only reason they would invade Eritrea. For IA it’s not the same.

            I think you don’t see how the Eritrean people are united when it comes to their sovereignty, the most majority. The level of unity Eritreans have is similar to what the Jews have when it comes to their country (not necessarily endorsing the wrong doing against the Palestinians). It doesn’t matter who is at the top, the people do not want to see the country disappear to thin air.

            I am not sure I understand what you mean and who you are referring.

            We know 80% of its leadership come from particular segment of our country.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            I am not sure what is diversion, but not sure the point you wish to make. I am sure we stand on the opposite side when it comes to this issue and that shouldn’t be a factor here. My view of EDF going to Mekelle is based on the fact that IA will not be able rid of the threat to survive. To do that he needs to go to the seat of the Tigray government. If he doesn’t, the war can’t be said concluded for him.

            Regarding the statement on the more than 80% EDF leadership coming from one segment that I made, I have a data link that I can share with you tomorrow (Friday). The data is from after 2001 and possibly before 2014. It lists all 247 EDF leadership: Let-Col, Col., Brig-Gen, Maj-Gen, Gen. ranks. 17 of those have Muslim names (not all Muslim name mean Muslim especially in Belien) and 230 Christian names. You just stated earlier

            ” It’s [EDF] strength lies because it’s not loyal to any person, any general, any ethnic or religious or regional group but loyal to the country called Eritrea…”

            Which is lacking in truth and factual bases because it is not representative of all sections. When TPLF had 83%[? I have no data but repot] Ethiopian senior military officers, can you call it loyal?

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            According to His Fantiness, more than 96% of Ethiopian military officials were from Tigray. He was extremely proud about it. When a Saint tells you something, you better take it to the heart.
            እንዳትቀሰፍ

          • haileTG

            Hey Abichu,

            At least you spoke the truth at the time and you were my great friend. Since you lowered the bar on truth nowadays, you are only my friend…lost the “great” part:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            Whether we support or oppose the current government, it is the government of the Highland Christians. Not only they dominate on the military officers as you have shown the statistical number, but also in all governmental civil services. Ahmed Raji did come with a detail statistics on all sectors of the Eritrean state few years ago. If you see on our debate it is the highland Christians who defend the current affairs of the Eritrean state.

            Regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat-TG,

      Thank you for the info. However, I have a good question for you that bothers me from time to time, a commonly used phrase or statement by Eritrean compatriots, including my friend SG. We have the habit to call each other “immature”- for those who hold different positions and stands on different issue than ours or than them. First what is the measurement of maturity in political discourse? Is maturity in the eye of the beholder? Who is the judge and to be judged? Isn’t the purpose of writing an article/essay or comment is to share our views and to influence our readers by our idea? If so how writers expect to influence their readers by insulting and calling them “immature” to those who hold different opinion and different tactics, in the current struggle?

      Second, those who “call us” or “call them”(because it applies to both sides), how do they know that they are matured than those who hold different opinion than themselves? Is self-judgement, it in itself, makes us a matured and knowledgeable?

      Regard

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Amanuel
        Last time I checked you were arrogantly calling the Prime Minister of a neighboring country “ childish “, “immature “, …

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abi,

          Your comment is not worth of response. But let remind you this: You know he turned your country in to a bloodbath of ethnic wars that is detrimental to it unity. If this does not make childish and immature, then what? My comment was in context and within the compatriots in the struggle.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Aman,

        haha… I don’t know if there are such people as “mature” or “immature”. It presupposes that life has some fixed reference points. Often, people we like are very mature and those we don’t like are very immature. I never came across anyone who says so and so is awful, I don’t like them and they are very wise and mature:-)

        There was once a man who wanted to apply for employment but he was asked to write a resume so his prospective employer can have an idea of what he did in his life. The trouble is the man was lazy at writing pages of resume but extremely deep thinker. He wrote the following:

        “I spent my whole life up to this point, doing everything I can to escape from my fears and doing all I can to chase my desires. Everything else is a mere detail!” 🙂

        So, if we can speak of reference points in life, it is nothing more than our fears vs desires, and how close we are to one or the other. I don’t believe anything is done outside those parameters.

        We could speak instead about productive vs unproductive; constructive vs unconstructive; useful vs wasteful… These can be measured practically against set goals, but things such as mature, wise, immature or foolish are subjective and used in relation to our own expectations: based on our fears and innermost desires.

        Relax, be who you are and live life like there is no tomorrow:-)

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat-TG,

          The quotation you noted from the individual you consider him a “thinker” is amazing, that it elucidate the inherent struggle of human consciences between our “fears” and our “desire” – a lesson to examine in our practical life when we deal with others.

          Second, your suggestion on the practical parameters of measurement such as “productive vs unproductive; constructive vs unconstructive; useful vs wasteful” as oppose “wise vs foolish, mature vs immature” are worth noting and is a lesson for tolerance. Thank you buddy.

          Regard

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሳልሕ ተጸፊዑ
    ክልተ ምዕጉርቱ
    ንሓደ ከቐይም ንካልእ የፍቱ
    ብስንኪ ‘ዛ ወጣም መልሓሱ
    ዘይውዳእ ጽሕፈቱ
    ከርክቦ ቀሪቡ ንየሱስ
    መዓጓጉርቱ ሓቢጡ

    ነጋሪት ኢሎማ
    ጸገም ከተፍሪ
    ንሓደ ተሐጉስ
    ንኻልእ ተኹሪ

    ትዝገርም ግን
    ሎሚ ዝኾረየ
    ድሕሪ ሰሙን ይፍንጫሕ
    ኮራርምቱ ስጋዕ ዝረአ
    ኣፉ ከፊቱ ጫሕ
    ዝመጽእ ሰሙን ግን
    ነይግድን

    ንኹሉ ከተሕጉስ
    ጠሪሱ ዘይከኣል
    ይበሃል
    ኣማን ብኣማን

  • leGacY

    Hello Ato SGJ,

    On the eve that Eritrean troops are again making preparations to attack us again, imploring us to perish the thought of vindicating the injustice and atrocities that was committed against our people somehow seems shortsighted.

    The only reason that would convince me it is not a good idea to remove Issais will be the view of the commanders on the ground . If they say it is costly then say no more. Platitudes such as, international laws, good neighborly, hope, justice, wozete terefe are just that- Feel good statements that often uttered by people who have no personal connection to this conflict .

    • iSem

      Hi leGacy:
      Any dictator removed is good for the world and I support removing demons like IA, Ghadaffi and Saddam but the west removes dictator when they infringes upon their interests. and they screw up like they did in Afghanistan.
      Removing IA by any force is kosher, halal, but TPLF knew this and let it go, not because they minded international law, because they saw IA kept their interest in a twisted way, weakening Eritrea, weak PFDJ is not the same as weak Eritrea. In the process they weakened Eritrea and its fight against IA. That was bad calculation and now they are paying for it, you are paying for it.
      And our hypocrites like Andberhan and Dr. Assefaw and Gen Tekest Haile all did not have issue using external power to purge a popular ELF. That is not anachronism, it is relevant to what is going on in our both countries
      I hope when this is over TPLF is less potent and does not dominate Tigray politics.
      What I know is no force will destroy the Tigray people, they will go back to the mountains and in 10 years will destroy Ethiopia, but it does not have to be this way. But if Eri gets in again, it maybe tough for TDF to protect Tigray and its people
      so if TDF can manage it, I am for removing PFDJ from power by any means, it has been done before in Africa
      whatever is kosher and halal for PFDJ/EPLF should be kosher and halal for the rest of us. To this day there are Eritreans who believe that the unholy alliance between TPLF and EPLF that has created precedent was good, to this day the same people and others believe collaborating with TDF to remove IA is bad, that is why Andebrhan was so gung ho to hold a meeting of his defunct group in Kenya and kicked Saleh G from the meeting because he has written critically about him
      I did not want to get into that but I did not agree with Saleh’s soft ball to Assefaw. Assefaw and Andebrhan and Tekeste Haile were in the org in 1981/982 and Assefaw was just a doctor is very soft ball, I thought.
      Assefaw was part of that secret party, as Saleh know in EPLF and PFDJ what our power is not determined by your official title and job, so here you go and he has not repented as can be gleaned from his opinions.
      TPLF vets like Migbay, Abay Weldu and others still have no done soul searching about precedent that is baked in what we are going through now in Eritrea, they keep talking about Ama. Ama is like the N word, in Spanish the N word means black but its use is racist. Ama is “general” in Arabic but it is derogatory. And elites likeTeklebrhan still talk about Muslims that they have never met, some cadres even assume every turban wearing Eritrean person is from from Sudan. I tell you this, to put the context of removing the butcher in Eri in historical perspective and its ramifications if TPLF’s blunder are not tamed
      I am still available to found the Eritrean Study department in MIT in Tigray and Tkifle promised to tell the leadership about that idea 🙂

      • Saleh Johar

        iSem,
        Don’t bet on what I know and do not know, you may be disappointed:-)
        Aseffaw was not a member of the secret party

      • leGacY

        Hi iSem,

        From Meles’ refusal to remove Issais to TPLF’s 100% responsibility for exposing the Tigrai people to a near obliteration-preaching to the quire here, haway.

        I think the silver lining here is that Tigray will probably be a lot freer from TPFLF’s grip at the end of this conflict. I just don’t’ see TPLF having the chokehold it had on Tigray people the way it did before, moving forward.

        The 2001 division provided some space for opposing view, albeit limited only to former members and now this will offer an opportunity for a much inclusive political dialogue.

        Still, sad it is the only through violence that we seem to achieve “thesis, antithesis, synthesis.”

        Thanks for the awesome analysis.

        • saay7

          leGacy:

          I hate to say it but there is no thesis, antithesis, synthesis EVEN after violence. This is because we never have an assessment after the war: we just say “chapter closed” and the same people who were running the countries in the last war are in charge of the new war.

          The Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission (EECC) decisions were never translated to Tigrinya and Amharic. Their messages— of the terrible things we did to each other and the compensation were were ordered to pay each other— are ignored and therefore the lessons are never learned. Earlier, a writer accused the TPLF of raping Eritreans in the 1998-00 wars. That is true. But incomplete. Because the EECC said Eritreans raped Ethiopians too.

          While the EECC found both guilty of allowing rape to happen in territories they administered, it went out of its way to compliment them for not using rape as a weapon of war. Can it say the same now in this stupid war?

          The stupid war will go on and on because each side sees the other as an existential threat. There was Getachew Reda today on TMH, arms flailing, nostrils flaring, threatening to go to Bahir Dar and even Addis to “pick up” those on his Wanted list. He says he is unmoved by Turkish drones or Eritrean forray. He speaks with the voice of absolute certainty, as all radicals do. And there was an Ethiopian commander threatening to target churches in Tigray if that is where the junta are hiding. Clearly there is no military code and lessons on war crimes, and if there is the commander skipped the class.

          The war will go on because there are vested interest fueling it. Speaking of fuel, the TDF has a mechanized army: where is it getting its fuel for its tanks and military vehicles if the Sudan border is allegedly closed?

          Our region suffers from massive failure of imagination and appears to be condemned to be stuck in the same endless cycle , devoting its meager resources to enriching arms merchants. What is sad is that Eritrea, Tigray, Ethiopia have a very large Diaspora who are supposed to be more educated more enlightened but we have not, for the most part, risen over cheering for our tribal chiefs.

          Saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            “the TDF has a mechanized army: where is it getting its fuel for its tanks and military vehicles if the Sudan border is allegedly closed?”
            Let me remind you what Sudanese say: ሃዛ ኣልሙሓይርኒ
            I always thought the if you have money as TPLF does, if they access to that funds, the the border closure becomes irrelevant.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear leGacy,

      I think it’s good that you are honest with your feelings and what you think is the best interest of Tigray.

      I do think it’s nice to try to reason with Tigray people, leaders to sort things out legally but I doubt that will work if TDF has the upper hand and they can dictate the terms.

      I do not want to call your views as “fringe group” but it is the mainstream of an average person from Tigray considering if all the alleged abuse has happened.

      As an Eritrean, in order to safeguard Eritreans future our future government needs to do the following:
      1) Remove Eritrea dictator by our own
      2) Build and continue strengthening our EDF to be ready to any eventualities
      3) Apologize to Tigray people for any and all human rights abuse and compensate for damages caused.
      4) Be good neighbour and guarantee any economic and other relationship they desire to re-build trust that’s broken.

      P.S. The TPLF with the ethnic federalism have put the future of Tigray people in precarious conditions. I just don’t know if there will be a way out that could lead to successful and peaceful future.

      • leGacY

        Hi Berhe,

        ” TDF has the upper hand and they can dictate the terms.”

        I think that would probably put this issue to rest. I am always mindful of advocating for confrontation from a position of comfort. They know what is possible and what is not.

        “P.S. The TPLF with the ethnic federalism have put the future of Tigray people in precarious conditions. I just don’t know if there will be a way out that could lead to successful and peaceful future.”

        In theory, Ethnic Federalism is defendable. The Idea of everyone should be equally represented in the country is seems fair. But the devil is in the details. It was a lot difficult implementing it . Not to mention that it was never given a chance to succeed by the Amharas as it threatened their status.
        In fact it is my contention that with the strategic alliance of Oromia and Tigrai, Ethnic Federalism is at its strongest it’s ever been since its inception. They can easily sideline the group that was most resistant to this idea and reshape the country along that line. That is, if everyone wants to give the idea of Ethiopia a chance.

      • haileTG

        Selam Berhe,

        2) Build and continue strengthening our EDF to be ready to any eventualities

        How can you above scenario happen?

        – Other than military take over, there is no precedent of any armed forces of a dictator surviving after the removal of their commander in chief. The armies are usually disbanded and a new armed forces built where is the case that the regime is removed by military forces of rebels or external invasion. Ethiopia’s Mengistu, Saddam, Gadhafi, Uganda, Rwanda… Hitler, Stalin, Yugoslavia, virtually all regimes overthrown by force have never left their armed forces behind intact. The armed forces remained only where there was military take over. Also, all of the above countries had highly professionalized armed forces.

        EDF is not highly professional armed forces. It is vastly made up of agelglot with no professional standing in pay or promotion. It is closely controlled by the dictator, its ranking members are internationally sanctioned by UN monitors, EU, US…It is an armed force that is externally accused of war crimes and destabilization and working with terror groups. Internally, it is accused of crimes against humanity, human trafficking and forced conscriptions.

        How do you see EDF surviving post IA unless the change comes by military coup?

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          I agree with all the weakness that EDF you have listed. It’s strength lies because it’s not loyal to any person, any general, any ethnic or religious or regional group but loyal to the country called Eritrea, that every Eritrean dreamers has not give up on.

          The EDF is and will be part of the change in any shape or forum. Right now, and the past 20 years, there isn’t an authentic Eritrean group that’s able to take over that role.

          All the crimes you listed, I would say, generously, those responsible does not amount more than 10%.

    • Saleh Johar

      leGacy dear,
      Don’t try that blackmail on me, please. How do you define “connection to this conflict”? I don’t think anyone who has no connection will bother to live with heartaches over it. So, as I told MJ, I do not have my military hat because I am not a soldier–I can only think in the terms you seemingly abhor: the feel good sentiments of ” international laws, good neighborly, hope, justice” Sorry, no tanks or armies here, that is the only tools we have 🙂

      • Brhan

        Hello Saleh,
        Today, I was listening to Getachew Reda, and he said two things:1) they, TDF, want to end the war in a short period of time and 2) sit for a peaceful solution. This Negarit’s episode is about ending the war, peace, and reconciliation. Others can not be a Catholics more than a pope.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Brhan nebsi
          I agree with you when you say “Others can not be a Catholic more than a pope.” For my appreciation, I invite you to listen to:
          Abraham Afewerki Music Channel – Bebizelenayo በቢዘለናዮ

          • Brhan

            Selam MM Nebsi,

            We do not have to abandon our roles and take others’, particularly politicians’ roles. Each one of us has a value. In your poems, I see the wisdom and humane messages. Keep it up, brother!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you brother Brhan!
            Your are one of the most few I am going to miss at Awate. This will be probably of my last comment here. I am hoping to see you in free Eritrea! So long.

          • iSem

            Hi MM:
            Why this going to be your last comment?

          • Brhan

            MM Nebsi,
            ሕሰበሉ ደኣ
            እቲ ሰብ Awate እንታይ በለ?
            ብዘይ MM የለን ምዕባለ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay,

            No! No! My friend ጽናዕ. You can not retreat while we are at our fierce battles of ideas. I remember the first day I joined our armed struggle. I made my “self oath” to my self and I said: “ካብ ሕጂ ንንየው ቃልሲ እዪ ህይወተይ”, and I kept that oath till this day, though the nature of the struggle has different mission as we know it. So stay in the fight, and nothing is worth than to liberate your own people from the grip of the beast.

            Regard

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Brhan,

          Unless I am mistaken, this negarit speaks about two outcomes: that is if

          1) TDF wins and the second is if
          2) Abiy and his alliance wins.

          What about if there is no winner and this goes for extended period of time.

          What I mean is, what if things don’t go to GR way? What is next?

          • Brhan

            Hi Berhe Y
            Sometimes it is good to suggest solutions than presenting open questions. Since , you ask, I can say, no peace no war situation.

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            This one is simple: what was Abyssinia doing for the last eight centuries than that? They will remain at each other’s throats until they postpone it for another round. I didn’t want to go to the gloomy scenario, and make my audience gloomier. I am a dreamer Berhe! Please refer such questions to the mathematicians and physicists, ask me anything that I can process on the stronger side of my brain:-)

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            You wrote: “didn’t want to go to the gloomy…”
            I am disappointed because you forgot this : “……ላሊ ዲማ ፍጅር ተልያ”

            The rest of you, I suspect you have no clue what am talking about, not the Tigrayit but who said it and t
            And Abi, despite his camel like memory, he will not remember that
            Oh, sorry, camel came to mind because The TDF is slaughtering the Ethiopian camels and seeking refugees in to Somalia 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saleh,

            Please do continue to dream. We need dreamers like you, who will one day make their dream a reality.

            You made few thoughts to circle my head. When I visited Disney land years ago, I saw a statue of Disney with Mucky Mouse. I think there was quote that said “ I only hope that we don’t lose sight of one thing – that it was all started by a mouse.” .

            Steve Jobs Apple 1984 Super Bowl commercial , “Think Different” people still talk about today, I am sure you know.

            And last but not least you made me remember John Lennon song Imagine.

            Thank you for making me dream.

        • leGacY

          Hi Brhan,
          I also listened to Gen. Migbey the other day and his verdict is that we are not tegaru if we do not vindicate the blood and honor of our sisters and mothers.

          “Others can not be a Catholics more than a pope.” What about if you have two popes?

          But I think we are in agreement here. If they say it is not worth it, then they have my unwavering support.

          • Brhan

            Hi, leGacY,

            As an outsider, you meditate and call for peace if you see family members quarrel inside their front yard. You can’t take sides.

            Is it heavy for you not to allow that outsider to do his role? BTW, GR was talking a lot about the Ethiopian family in the interview.

        • Saleh Johar

          Brhan,
          I was crowned a pope, you didn’t hear that? When I was six years old, my mother told me I will become a mufti, I think she meant a Pope 🙂

          Let everyone be a pope instead of a warmonger, I wish:-)

      • leGacY

        Good evening Ato SGJ,

        Simply put, if you had lost your family member in this conflict or your entire family is displaced/exiled probably for the 2nd time in a generation, would have arrived at the same conclusion?

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi legacy,
          You asked me a theoretical question so continue the exercise and make do any theoretical reaction you arrive at that I would make. Why complicate it when my position on the here and now is clear? Please don’t ask me tough questions that I can’t handle. I am glad you were not my school teacher:-)

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Eritrea is not for sale and massive sums of TPLF lobbyist money used to convince Eritreans otherwise, is simply a flush of the toilet.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dongolo,

      “Eritrea is not for sale” is a good and easy statement to make. Before anyone else, however, this must be addressed to those who support and empower the authority that can do the selling. At the present, we all know who can or cannot sell Eritrea. I am sure you follow what the despot, who has turned the nation and country to a personal real estate, has been doing and saying. The concern is not about the danger that can come from outside; this can be repulsed by the united will and power to preserve their nationhood and sovereignty. The danger we should be concerned about is what can come or invited from inside – be it from Tigray or Ethiopia proper.

      Thus, that patriotic “Eritrea is not for sale” should be a committed call to all Eritreans, regardless of their political persuasions. They must be aware that any one or any force that may come out to buy Eritrea will do get the walk on the shoulders of internal enemies of the Eritrea. Historical precedent is not lacking. Emperor Haile Sellasie and his foreign allies rode on the shoulders of internal surrogates in the leadership and ranks of the unionist party. This time, too, the mainstream Eritreans should guard with awareness the fascist fringe groups would not grow to serve as trojan horse for Eritrea seller and purchase enemies.

    • iSem

      Hi Dongolo:
      I know you are gong to talk about cognitive issues that you have no clue about.
      But, yes Eri is for sale right now by an org that you support, morally and financially too.
      And a sale is not bad if you can get money and profit from it, you guys are selling Eritrea and Eritrea is not even getting paid for it, it is paying for it with blood and lives. But IA will get paid for it
      So, yes, you are putting Eritrea for sale and you are paying the buyer. Wrap that are round your limited brain

  • Metshaf Jigninet

    Selam Memhir Johar,

    Thank you for another great Negarit video and article.

    Question:
    If it took Ethiopias resources and united effort as a whole to progress in the war 1998, how would TDF alone succeed in defeating EDF?

    It is beyond easy to argue against the subjective reasoning some forumites have in this site. The same individuals involvement in the GiE project will have it fail before it gains momentum, if it hasn’t already.

    • haileTG

      Selamat MJ,

      Wow, wow, wow….

      “The same individuals involvement in the GiE project will have it fail before it gains momentum, if it hasn’t already.”

      I don’t know who would match that level of crude undemocraratic instincts!! It is an Eritrean not participating in his/her country’s politics that kills momentum, not an Eritrean having a view or stand that MJ doesn’t approve of.

      • Metshaf Jigninet

        Selam HTG,

        Being realistic is needed in these days when fantasies clouds people’s judgement. If information gathering is your forte, you will be able to assess the majority/popular opinion of Eritreans.

        Let’s use a non-scientific method involving the Negarit video 141, uploaded yesterday. The video has 674 likes & 36 dislikes. Based on the message of the video I will logically assume most likes are by Eritreans, unlike some other channels.

        When an “Eritrean” sacrifices his/her own, said individual will lose their credibility instantaneously.

        • haileTG

          Selam MJ,

          Demonstrating popularity like that is healthy and democratic. Wishing to eliminate the participation of those with views you disagree is undemocraratic. One of those 674 voters is myself, I don’t know what you read into that. Simply put, democracy is measured by the extent of participation not by supporting views. So, the democratic score on the numbers you mentioned is 674 + 36 = 710 it is not 674 because they agreed! You seem to equate democracy with popularity. Not so.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam HTG,

            “You seem to equate democracy with popularity.”

            Not at all, I’m equating the likes based on the subject of the video. You, however, chose to encorporate democracy into it, a subject I didn’t mention, nor am against.

            Furthermore, the likes in this specific case, based on the subject in the video, can serve as a guide to a Eritrean political organisation that wants to gain support, be it GiE, or otherwise.

            Please, don’t be like Brhan in the heated discussions we had trying to make up things that’s not true. It was a disgusting sight to behold.

            The likes equates those who aline themselves with a certain view, or views, in most cases.

          • haileTG

            ah..MJ!

            Brhan is an amazing and a fine gentleman to aspire to…

            I totally know what you mean MJ and that is a tough battle for the pro-democratic forces – the inclusion of all voices in a peaceful non-violent attitude to change. Ismail has said it above in a shining star clarity. We need not add more. The more voices you include, the more stable your system becomes. Closing off political spaces only results in conflict to re-open those spaces. Ethiopia is case in point now.

            BTW GiE is not a political organization. It is the only of its kind in Eritrean opposition history in that all are welcome under their school of thought umbrella. GiE does not have a political view, it is a platform that facilitates political engagement in a process of establishing a government of unity first in exile and later to become a transitional arrangement in Eritrea proper until elections are held. So, please correct that GiE is not a political organization.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            HTG,

            No, Brhan failed and showed poor character. Calling me a fanatic of sorts when he is our local Arab…. makes sense.

            Closing of political spaces that entails the death of fellow Eritreans is not arguable, in my opinion. Allowing it, or partaking in it, means I failed my constituents.

            GiE, is by all means, a political organisation. The ones behind it have political views, some of which are detrimental for such an entity to prosper.

          • haileTG

            Hi MJ,

            In the same manner I disagree your right to hold an opinion to be dismissed as a fanatic. I disagree if anyone tells me that MJ is a fanatic and should not be involved in Eritrea’s political process. No, I can disagree with your views but go all the way to fight on your side to restore your your right to hold and express opinion that are lawful and peaceful. But if you call others to be excluded and others call for you to be excluded, who will be the judge on which side’s request should be upheld? Can we exclude all those considered (rightly or wrongly) fanatical and all those considered (rightly or wrongly) against sovereignty?

            If there are a group who call for Tigray-Tigrigna, they can be issued with a party license in democratic Eritrea as long as they can prove they have 100 or more active members who are qualified to vote. Other extremist but non-violent groups can also have the same rights. Those groups are usually attain the least votes in elections and almost never control a single district. But, if god forbid, the Agazian wins in a landslide in Eritrea, we need to get a committee set up to visit Tigray government and discuss the will of the overwhelming majority of Eritreans:-) I doubt it comes to that. However, if you push them out of peaceful participation, you popularize them giving the wrong impression that you are afraid of their potency to succeed. My Two cents:)

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile TG,

            Democracy can be understood as a huge space analogous to a field of play. If left an open ended space, and if the ball crosses one side, the players will simply pursue the ball and find themselves in unsuitable terrain full of snags and obstacles.

            To my understanding, democracy needs to mature to a space delineated by principles that should be translated to laws enshrined in constitutions. It is at that stage, democracy will provide for lawfully institutionalized process accommodating fair play of ideas and programs. Here, there would not be concern for domination by one contending group or another. In other words, no one or party will have monopoly of the truth. The side that discerns the relative truth will be the owners of democratic process, namely, and the voters. The efficacy of the issues and ideas contenders advocate as means to ascending to power will be determined by the ballot box.

            Hence, the devil is in how societies will strive and succeed to build a mature pace for democracy. Success in doing so will open for every individual and group a fair share of the space to voice their views – be that fringe or mainstream. We can imagine further in to the future Eritrean democracy will have tolerant space for a whole lot of odd and real players. To day we have been witnessing fascist tendencies like the agazian. Next, we may see their counterparts with similar or even more archaic tendencies.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Ismail,

            Precisely! Democracy and democratic institutions can’t be seen apart. In fact, it is the lack of strong democratic institutions that is keeping Africa making two steps back for ever one step forward. Now, how can such a stalemate be broken? I know very unfair question, don’t worry, it is question for all us:) I am more optimistic about Eritrea, say compared to Ethiopia’s deep rooted ethnic rivalries – although I don’t want to count my chickens yet. Because, Eritrea also lacks in institutions, just as Ethiopia lacks in ethnic tolerance.

            For example, in weak legal institution, the law is used to suppress basic human rights. In weak financial institutions, the economy is used to exacerbate inequalities, the same goes for weak security institutions that would create much more problems than safety. What gives? It seems that no institution means no democracy and vice versa. Perhaps, time could be seen as a factor, but if look how much Ethiopia went backwards in 3 short years, it gives less room to optimism. I like to hear you views on this. Thanks!

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,
            I agree with your comment with a caveat. As far as I am concerned, it’s not their political right that is in question, but their bigoted threats of exterminating segments of Eritreans and undoing the nation. So, we are not even on the civilized discourse with these groups but still on decency and criminal messages of hate and threats. Other than that, I wish our dreamed system will accommodate all as you envisioned above.

          • haileTG

            Hey SGJ,

            That is true, but remember that “peaceful and lawful ” are basic requirements. I also genuinely fear for their personal safety once they land in Eritrea with that kind of objective. Social media makes them forget violence is a two way street, they beget what they give. But my suggestion for inclusion is for those with peaceful and lawful standing and are asked to stay away from national politics, every time their view point doesn’t aligned with lowest common IQ denominator. 🙂

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            The reply I gave you above exemplifies what kind of views I am writing about, yet you try legitimise it by applying intellectual acrobatics that’s fooling no-one.

            Turning a blind eye to external threats like many of you would like us to do is cute. Some will perhaps fall for it, but luckily that’s not the literate kind. Please, keep Adhanet and never return her. I will personally buy her a new ID in merkato.

            Only 100 active members to get a party license? You want us to turn into Ethiopia? What a joke!

          • haileTG

            Hi MJ,

            That is the only way out my friend. We are confident on the people who have actually paid all the price to get to this point. Let’s give intellectual acrobatics a chance, we tried monkey acrobatics for too long and got nothing in return. I would bet that they would not get 100. BTW the rule for registering a party is similar in Ethiopia if I am not mistaken. Saay can tell us what the rule was supposed to have been when we had the election commission in Eritrea.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            I respect those who paid the price, I am not confident on those who made them pay the price.

            Ustaz HTG, you emulate those who are successful, not those who failed miserably.

            Free speech does not entail allowing treason, nor does it entail allowing harm to befall on your fellow citizens.

            100 voters to register as a party is ridiculous, to say the least. Every village would have their own party and that isn’t fair no matter how one tries to spin it, because it is a timebomb.

          • haileTG

            Selam MJ,

            USA requires 100 voters for local government and 250 voters for state elections.

            Canada requires 250 voters to register a political party

            Australia requires 500 voters to register a party

            I know you need 100000 birr in Ethiopia but not sure membership, I heard 99 somewhere

            So, just to make the point that 100 voters is not ridiculous or a spin. In terms of freedom of expression and hate speech laws, it is a legal matter, not electoral. Peaceful and lawful means observing the laws that regulate freedom of expression.

            My Q: is the Eritrea we like to have one where all are equal under the law? If so, how can we spin such a principle in order to eliminate those we deem unworthy of their birth right to be full citizens? Should they seek the barrel of the gun to defend themselves from such elimination of their right to be equal citizens?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            Just want to inform you that I have two replies to you pending, or waiting for approval.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ኢሰፓአኮ was not a party. It was a commission that turned itself into ኢሰፓ::
            ኢሰፓአኮ= ኢትዮጵያ ሰራተኞች ፓርቲ አደራጅ ኮሚሽን
            Each and every member of ኢሰፓአኮ became የኢሰፓ አባል ::

            Called to say hello

          • leGacY

            Abuca,
            Splitting hair? Potato Potaeto. Thanks to Hailemariam Dessalegn that era seems to be seeing revivals.

          • Abi

            legacy
            Say what?!?!?!

          • leGacY

            Abuca,
            ESEPA and ESEPACO.Distinction without a difference. Don’t split hairs .

          • haileTG

            Selamat Abichu…long time eh…is it getting tough to get back to Mekelle:)

            Anyhow, the chairman of ESEPAKO was Col. Mengie, the chairman of NTT is saay, big difference:)

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi and MoKsi,

            GiE’s equivalent of HTG for COPWE was Shemelis Mazengia, a wordsmith and speech writer for MH. Big difference? Not sure😁!

          • haileTG

            Selam Moxi,

            Why on earth do you go about spilling state secrets of GiE like that? Fine, the Intel guys are on your case now, btw I am not paying this weeks rent either:-)

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሞኽሲ፡

            ን GiE ክትብል ዶ’ይኮንካን መጺኻ
            ኣሕቢጥካና ኔርካ ብስብከት ኣጀማምራኻ
            ግና ፍራቻ ናብ GiE ውልዕ ጥፍእ እንዳኣርኣኻ
            ናብ ትፕሊፍ/ትደፎ ድኣ’ምበር ሽዓሽዓ ተጠዊኻ
            ካብ ትማሊ ኣፍ ከፋትን ኣፍ ዓጻውን ሊቀ-ወንበር ኰንካ እንኤኻ
            ዝበለጸ secret de polichinelle (open secret) ኣንታይ ደሊኻ
            ሰሙን ቀሪባ ኣላ፡ ንዓ ድኣ ይትረፍካ ምሕንጋድ፡ ክፈሎ ዕዳኻ

          • haileTG

            Haha Moxi,

            ዋና ገዛ በይዛኹም ኣይትሓዙልና
            ኦቲ ኣምሒርኛ ምሓዝ ኣብዩና
            ትዲኤፍ ድማ ነገር ስጋ ኮይኑና
            ዋእ ብተኹስን ጨመተን ኣገሪሞሙና
            ትም ደኣ ንበል ንዓናውን ከየርክቡልና 🙂

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile and MJ,

            When democracy operates in stable legally institutionalized conditions, the losing side (minority) view can carry more value to it. Majority view is not always right because many factors such as vested interests can overshadow truth, which the minority view may rightly advocate. This is so when one looks at the matter with issues and ideas in mind, aside from candidate vying for power who compete to rationalize them before the voters.

        • Saleh Johar

          MJ,
          Please do not consider a Youtube channel as a measurement of Eritrean general sentiments. It’s misleading. There are many points I addressed on the episode, there are people who don’t like one sentence and downvote it, the same with a few who upvote it. The biggest mistake we do is to generalize based on the Dispora, which is a minority, and is also a minority in reactions on social media. In short, it doesn’t represent the 3.5 or so Eritreans. However, it gives you an indication though it should not be extrapolated on the general populace at home and abroad.

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam MJ,
      That is a question I cannot answer–it’s not in my comfortable skill set. If I was wearing my military hat, I would have tried 🙂

      I am sure you know my major role in this struggle, it’s writing and speaking as an activist, promoting humanitarian traits: justice, freedom, etc.

      Now, in that role, what more do you expect of me? To agitate the people for war by bringing war field military rational? Nope, I cannot do that.

      Does the “GiE” irritate you or you care for it 🙂

      Last note, the 1998 war expanded from an excuse on a tiny case of Badmme. This time the scope is wider and more devastating and that makes me anxious.

      • Metshaf Jigninet

        Selam Memhir Johar,

        Yes, you’re right, nor should you even if you could. That said, you are doing great promoting peace, justice and building bridges. That is a struggle that can’t be undermined.

        I guess my intention was to wake up and have the warmongers in both the Eritrean and Tigrayan side smell the coffee, so to speak.

        Also, the untrained Tigrayan youth being pitted against trained and battle hardened EDF is not in the best interest of Tigrayans.

        The keyboard warriors are dangerous and should be confronted. Kab hawi zey wexe’e seb, degimu nab hawi etoweni kebleka kello zegerim nger iyo.

        I think the GiE project is a great idea, so I care about it. However, it needs unapologetically Eritreans such as, Berhe Y, to safeguard Eritrean interests.

        • Peace ToAll

          Hello Mr. MJ
          You stated:
          “Also, the untrained Tigrayan youth being pitted against trained and battle hardened EDF is not in the best interest of Tigrayans”

          Please tell us where you had a fight in the last 30 years other than in Badme? Are you considering a fight with: Djibouti? S. Sudan? Congo? Somalia? Yemen? Where were the HEGDEF soldiers got the wordy decoration: battle hardened. They are known for their cruelty, pillaging, & raping minor children & elderly women. If that is what you are bragging for then I don’t have any problem. Do not forget HEGDEF soldiers are the one that are engaged in the conflict. If this conflict continues, HEGDEF do not have a back up to sustain a longer confrontation unless the diaspora like you joins.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi Peace ToAll,

            I understand that there is a lot of emotions involved for you, and I want you to know that I wish and pray for the stability of the region as a whole.

            I also want you to know that your army raped and looted Eritreans in the Badme war.

            Furthermore, go ahead and watch Tigrai Tv’s video on YouTube for reference in the subject of untrained Tigrayan youths. If I, as an Eritrean, genuinely feel for these kids. The question should then be, why don’t you? If you do, why do we not work for peace instead of sending them to the slaughter?

            Surely, everyone knows by now that there can’t be any winners in this war. Even worse, you are neighbours for ever, whether you like it or not.

            Lastly, Eritrea is known worldwide for its military service. The North Korea of Africa they say. You needed Ethiopas recourses and might as a whole to progress in the Badme war. I’ll stop there.

            Peace ToAll, I care about my countrymen and women. Not the political organisation.

            The consequence of war means many casualties and that is not something I can support.

  • kokhob selamone2

    Dear Brother Saleh and all,

    I wonder how you come down to this level, I am really sad on this Negarit of yours. This the only time I am against your stand.

    It is impossible to stope TDF to clean PFDJ and that child dictator of Addis. No single person can stop them to make the story of the end of all world dictators. As you know very well it is impossible to see strong anti PFDJ party in that Eritrea. We have bee calling the Generals and high rank men to start heating the PFDJ but it was impossible. So now the only chance we have is to TDF and as you have seen they have reached the today are advancing toward Gonder and from that city they might continue to Addis or OLF will be capturing. It is impossible to stope TDF now. If you think it is possible to move the internal movement is possible like what we all were doing, go a head and do the job. I think it is totally capture the entire is in prison, forget the that and join and heat with TDF only. This is what we all should do.

    I am sorry for giving this perfect opposite suggestion,

    KS3

    • Saleh Johar

      Which Level Kokhob? The low level? It’s because I don’t want you to feel lonely.

      As you said, I wish “No single person can stop them to make the story of the end of all world dictators.” While at it, please plead to them to stop global warming and world hunger.

      Thank you

      • kokhob selamone2

        Dear Brothe great man .

        The low level? Yes, my dear how do you know?

        ” It’s because I don’t want you to feel lonely.”
        Thank you sir.

        Thank you Saleh, I agree with you for reconciliation what is done on the past, but I don’t agree when comes on going fighting like that of TDF. Currently, we are talking what is going on at this moment,

        We have to go advanced to work for future. And come together. I will come back after a year to talk to you if my life is helping me. I wish long life my dear.

        KS2

  • Ismail AA

    Selam S. Johar,

    “Accepting mistakes and coming to terms with it is a must. One needs to explain the mistakes, either to atone and reconcile with one’s conscience or to help heal the national wounds”. These lines express what a value statement means in essence and content. The words “atone” and “conscience” are the central pillars of civilized existence. To apply this to our own situation, as a nation, and at the end of our journey of contradictions (man-made and bi-products of our cultural and social diversities), we will have to settle down and account for our past mistakes. In order to reach there, what you have started (educating” will have to encompass as wide as possible part of our people. The slogan of future commission of reconciliation will have to written on the basis of the two nouns I have underscored.

    Thank you so much and Be blessed, sir.

    • Saleh Johar

      Thanks Ismail,
      Do you know what frustrates me? Whenever I mention historical events or experiences to learn from, just as an example, some people who hold rigid views on the issues are worked up–why bring it now? It’s bygones? You are this-and-that….

      It’s as if one has to get permission from the calcified thinking before mentioning anything that discomforts them. I believe, bygones are easier to come to terms with. Old mistakes are easier to accept and move on. Trying to bury experiences that we still suffer from is unproductive and hypocritical when, especially of people who are hellbent on magnifying present errors instead of helping to resolve or cool it off.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba SGJ,

    Thanks for this segment of your Negarit, and for all the previous ones too. I firmly believe that all Eritrean concerns should indeed be valued and addressed with seriously. One question I have is that whether the division or groupings are done according to the realities on the ground.

    I this is a tough question: do the fear of the fringes merit to be equal in potential as the fear of violation of Eritrean sovereignty by the PMAA/IA alliance? In my opinion, the first is of hypothetical scenario, aptly put as analogous to a phone call coming from inside the house by saay. Whereas, the latter is supported by hard evidences as transpired in the last three years. Some of those are listed below:

    1 – IA said that anyone who thinks Eritrea and Ethiopia are different countries is crazy.

    2 – PMAA said that he will share Assab with Eritrea.

    3 – Ethiopia started fielding naval forces

    4 – Two main political parties in Ethiopia announced that the Assab question is their party platform.

    5 – Ethiopian government spokesman said Eritreans do not value their independence.

    6 – The talk of confederation became a buzz word.

    7 – Ethiopian media personalities such as Tamrat Negera have openly called for invasion and permanent occupation of Assab.

    8 – Eritrean independence is seen as illegally imposed on Ethiopia by majority of Ethiopian hinterland.

    9 – PMAA discussed bilateral issues on behalf of Eritrea in Italy.

    10 – After untold death and distraction at the border and decades of misery upon Eritreans in the name of demarcation, IA said that the border issue is irrelevant.

    On the other hand, the fear of Tigray-Tigrigna is based on individual opinions of select Tigrayans and their interpretation by concerned Eritreans. There is single mention of it in the Tigray political establishment. In fact, I would go as far as saying that the whole concept patronized a segment of Eritreans than implicating Tigray substantively.

    The two points of view that are compared and contrasted here are not of equal weight. One is a valid concern based on evident facts on the ground and the other is questionable imagination that for sure be entertained as an Eritreans concern, however far fetched.

    The real camps at this time that are evidently apparent are the regime cam that attempted to sell Eritrean sovereignty by coopting its military leaders of ex-tegadelti turned despicable criminals who would sell their own mothers and Eritreans resisting such a move with whatever they think is workable. House cleaning, however is not a bad idea on the latter.

    If you read thus far, thank you, I hope you keep up with this wonderful show you have going. We’ll done!

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan HaileTG
      Of course I read all comments. Thank you. But I am afraid you wanted me to address all the points when my target for the segment was the fringe groups. I thought yours will be much different than the other comments I get. If I criticize A I have to criticize B. If I raise issue C, I have to raise issue D. That is the biggest problem I face, particularly on the video comments.

      But I agree with all the points you raised, and I have been at all of them throughout the years–particularly since 2018, when the “King without a crown” showed up. So, if this was an exhaustive and comprehensive presentation of all our problems, like in a lengthy essay or a book, I would understand it because then I would be expected to raise them all. But this was a specific episode addressing the fascists and their allies beyond the border. If you are a doctor, and a patient comes with two ailments, maybe you will focus on one and maybe ask for a lab test to attend the other. It doesn’t mean the other ailment is not important,… you get the drift. I hope that answers our question!

      • haileTG

        Thanks SGJ,

        Yes, you have good point. ግን ኣነ እታ ኳድሮ እየ ትማል ርኤያ እሞ “በጃኹም ውረሩና” ምሰንበብኩ እንታይ ኮን ከምጻልና’ዩ ኢለ ክሓስብ ከይደቀስኩ ሓዲረ። እምበር ናይቶም ፎከስቲስ ገዲፍካ ተዛረብ።

        • Saleh Johar

          HaileTG,
          That is not a crime, sometimes we react that way. This vieo was premiered as an announcement but was not on. However, it didn’t prevent the impulsive people from commenting on what the content is, before they listen to it. It’s fine only as they say, “QelTet al-shaTir b’Ashera (the error of a smart person is weighed ten times more than other errors 🙂

    • iSem

      Hi Saleh and also Haile TG
      The peaceful means you proposed for revenge is the sensible one that can only be entertained by the cool heads and long term thinkers.
      The official stand of the government and leaders of Tigray is very important to orient the population towards certain direction— the direction of peaceful revenge. The fringe will always exist, we have to cage them and we must choose our battles with them and make sure we win the battle we choose.
      But leadership cannot control the different personalities within the society and fringe groups by their demagoguery can assume power and implement their dreams and wreck havoc. So cut it either way, the ball comes back to our court. Eritrean court
      Now is time to start the bridge building, creating AiE (Ambassadors in Exire) to iron our deep wrinkles, create relationships studyTigray, teach Eritrea to Tigray, Eritrean student and youth groups should make “diplomatic” relations with their Tigrayan counterparts. In Sudan, in the student unions, when EPLF and the ELF functions were not even talking, we had our student groups foreign affairs make diplomatic relationship and organized debating nights sometime the grown ups intervened and we got in trouble. The ideas are limitless for bridge building. Women groups doing the same. Mother of Eritrea and Tigray for Peace
      You acknowledged the damage done to Tigray by EDF and Abiy’s group and you proposed the best solution: the best revenge is taking the peace path, that s the theoretical framework and the items I point out are the engineering part of it.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam MemHr Haile TG and MemHr iSem,

        I am one among those who entertain least concern about fringe groups of both ends or extremes if you will. Any society at any phase of its existence breads such odd phenomena. You see them sprouting and drying amidst societies across the world. In my opinion, as long as the mainstream is healthy and proactive, those fringe oddities would not have chance of blossoming in to meaningful movements. The concern comes when the mainstream gets sick, too. It is here that attention must be focused.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ismail,
          I wish there was a vaccination to immune the mainstream. What you said about fringe groups phasing out is very true. But they do not disappear on their own, conscious people make their view irrelevant in so many ways. That is when they disappear. Did you ever believe it will reach to this stage of open bigotry and fascism? I didn’t. So, I think we should take risks, they have to be taken care of continuously.

          I would appreciate your views on how to handle them.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            Sorry for this belated comment in response.
            Yes, the woe some dispersed state of the mainstream is indeed frustrating. It has become a target of getting impacted rather than impacting other marginal groups that revolve around it. Despite that, however, there is no other socio-political target group on which the work you are diligently pursuing by way of Negarit can be done.

            Furthermore, I agree that racist socio-religious taboos that hitherto remained inside four walls of household chatters would break out and manifest itself in such rampant and malignant form. In my humble opinion, the reason is that the divided state of the of social group that ought to have meaningfully assaulted that odd fascist phenomenon early on. I am alluding here to the Kebessa segment of the mainstream. We remember similar group(s) had also sprouted and lurked on the margins political Islam. You and I know who confronted those oddities and denied them a single inch of soil to grow leave ears. The Moslem section of the mainstream dealt them blows and rendered them ineffective. They dried out with time. If the Kebessa mainstream would gather their acts together and expose the fascists, they would not grow to do play meaningful role. It the hope and confidence in the effort of the mainstream spreading awareness that make me least concerned about the long term effective of the virus called Agazian.

            You asked me my view on how to deal with them. My straightforward answer is: What an excellent and effective way is there other than the very thing you have been pioneering. The way is to educate public opinion with deliberate focus on the cross-section of that can position itself on solid ground, namely, the mainstream. Yes, the work is long and burdensome, and at times frustrating. But eventually, this will be fruitful work. Obviously one-man effort would exhaustingly take long time to draw attention. But the value rests in it becoming a source of emulation. Revolutions do not start by en masse movements. They start as ideas from committed intellectuals, which develop and spread from a center to cause en masse movements.

            Thus, it is undimming hope that many committed patriots, especially from the midst of our Kebessa compatriots will rise up and help in the spread of civil education in the way Negarit is doing.

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh Ismail,
            Your comments are deep and humbling. Thank you for the concise (yet elaborate) rejoinder. Thank you my friend.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi iSem,
        Very true, it is upon us to solve our problems in so many ways. We must keep trying.
        You wrote, “The official stand of the government and leaders of Tigray is very important to orient the population towards certain direction..”
        That’s what I am expecting from them. If they can go on publicly praising people echoing their propaganda, they should also be able to reign the bad ones who are spreading hate.

        No one can deny what befell the Tigrayan people from our despot, but listening to some who should know better, salivating to repeat the misery on Eritrea is frustrating. Then the boasting that Tigrayans are disciplined and will not harm the people. Right, as if there is a precedent of armies invading an area and not doing what soldiers do best–humiliate and kill the innocent civilians. An army doesn’t act on its own judgements, but obeys orders. And no army is commanded by angels, leaving aside that there are angels of the others sort 🙂

        Other than that, I do not blame except the elite who are emboldening the racists and arsonists.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Haile-TG & Sem,

      Ismailo has rightly said it. All kind of fringes do exist within the political discourse of nations and they don’t have influence whatsoever in the overall political discourses. Fringes don’t have the selling power to make us fear The same thing with our fringes – can not change the main stream political discourse. However, the authorities of the state can change the discourse of history can make any kind of bids, if they are not challenged.

      Second, at this stage of our struggle, the authorities in Eritrea are the ones who are making the selling bids on our sovereignty to reverse our history. Actually, in some instances we can see the congruence with some of the fringes. Focusing on the fringes is just wasting our energy and our time. It really bothers me, some of our strong voices, like my friend SJ to divert their consequential voices from the evil regime at the center of the bid, to the extreme fringes who have no leverage whatsoever to change our discourse and our history. I am baffled when we diverted our efforts and energy from the devil at home who has the power to do anything including to annex Eritrea with Ethiopia. Remember what he said “ከምቲ ዘምጻእክዋ ክወስዳ እኽእል እየ” when he was intoxicated (courtesy Amb Andebrhan). So instead, we are worried by the clueless fringes.

      Regard

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman,

        How are doing, sir. That statement of Dr. Andeberhan irritates me whenever it flashes to my memory. The reason I get annoyed is when I look at the time it took between the time he heard that out barst of the despot and the time he told it in his book. The question is why did he wait for so long and served the man who had that evil thought in mind?.

        I knew since my days in college when he came fresh from his MA studies and lectured in the Business Department of the former HSI University. He indeed appeared a loyal Ethiopian at the time, and we, the ghedli involved Eritrean did not detect any inclination of him towards the ELF or even the newly evolving Selfi Netsanet. Of course those of us who were attending different departments were trying to detect who is or is not involved through casual provocative chats. I had not heard any clue from my close and like-minded students who attended his lectures.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo,

          This opportunistic guy does equally irritates me like the evil despot. He is one of the despots on waiting in the queue. God forbid Eritrea to not fail under such individuals with despotism pronouncements. He is the seed of Issayas and his despotism. I have smelled and tasted his despotic exercise in a Symposium we have conducted with my colleagues in th EFND. Actually, he told me despotism his demeanor.

          Regard

      • iSem

        Hi Emma:
        I agree with Ustazna Ismail. Needless to say, I was trying to say that with my stream of consciousness, but Ismail is a better and more succinct and economical writer.
        One thing I will add is that fringe can assume power by demagoguery and due the political system, so the items I point out: creating bridges can preempt and huge damages during the reign of the fringe, the damages they bring.
        So, the fear of the Tigray and Eri fringe groups will undue Eri is not warranted, fringe elements will always exist as Ismail says, but there are tools to manage and cage them. PFDJ and IA’s adventures and the squandering 30 years of Eritrea, making it worse than Dergi and HS in many ways is the existential threat. Dergi and HS never interfered in the Eri family inst., they were brutal for sure, but they left many institutions alone and with those institutions intact, we were able to weather the brutality. EPLF/PFDJ/IA/EDF, take your pick, are different demons and they started with the family. People in Asmara, Mendefera, Keren, have seen PFDJ’s satanic deeds only in the last 30 years. But rural Eritrea has been decimated by EPLF for over 50 years now. So YG is correct here too. Though I developed this theory before YG (ask my friend BY), he took credit for it, like Newton and Leibzin 🙂

        • Ismail AA

          Hayak Allah Ustaz iSem,

          That is the gist of the matter. It is only when the mainstream allows itself to be infested by weakness that demagogy can help fringe groups to cross the threshold to power. Recognize a fringe group and its driving force on time. Then proceed to erect safe valves or cages to contain it.

          In retrospect, the devil wreaking havoc to Eritrea today started as fringe group leader, but was so stealthy to successfully conceal his long term demonic intention. You might have read carefully the manifesto he had pinned. He shielded himself in the thick of contradictions within the ELF, and escaped scrutiny, and settling a cage as you have aptly described. The cost of dealing with him on time, which the mainstream had missed, would have been
          far less than the cost of the damage he has done to Eritrea and its people.

          Moreover, I re/winded my memory back to the days you recalled when our students and civilian mass organizations were striving to create bridges with counterparts in respective contending camps. I wish present day students and civil groups were to resort to such proactive activities.

        • Saleh Johar

          Correction iSem,
          Please ask what happened in Keren in 1977. You can ask me if you wish though I might chose not to tell you 🙂

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            Not telling is not allowed, free speech does not mean silence, it means speak 🙂
            So what happened in Keren in 1977? in the two years EPLF occupied it.

          • Saleh Johar

            iSem, it’s private. Not for public consumption. You know what to do. 🙂

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            done and done!

      • Saleh Johar

        Ammanuel,
        My response to HaileTG applies to you 🙂
        In school, we had eight subjects, we are not judged based on a test result of one subject. How does an episode on a topical issue make you forget the tens of other segments on other issues? If you were my class teacher, would you give me a failing score based on that single episode 🙂

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saleh,

          My point was: let us make our priorities and our full energy to be laser focused on the devil who is devouring our people. The fringes are not killing our people. The extremists are not killing and suffocating our people. But the devil despot is. Otherwise, to answer your question, I don’t judge your contribution by one piece or episode as you are one of the strong voices against the beast who turn our nation to a medieval age.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            As Ismail alluded, during Ghedli era dictatorial tendency was palpable but for the sake of “focus” (removal of colonial army) it was tolerated. 30 years of after independence, we are still harvesting the fruit of the tolerance of the intolerable.

            While Haile’s (TW) pleading for tolerance of a group whose sole goal is the extermination of >50% of Eritrea’s population is ‘understandable’, I find your position irreconcilable with your struggle for independent and free Eritrea that embraces all her children.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Still I do believe it was correct to make our priority the removal of the colonial forces from our land. The problem was, after evicting the Ethiopian forces from our land, things that were relegated in the back of the burner wasn’t brought up upfront, to unite our people in order to build our nation. The rank and files of EPLF failed to put a harness on the beast, when he barred all other political forces who might help them to control his ego and avoid the current political debacle. They made their choice for their organization than the future of the people, which unfortunately this cannibal organization, that become under his complete control, vanished its members one by one or group by group.

            Hashela, what will makes different now is, EPLFites are victims of their beast. They have learned their lesson now. Once we take the removal of the despot as our priority, and make it happen, I believe we will make a collective move to save our people and our nation from the current predicament. If we are people who could not learn from the current predicament, then there is no way to create a peaceful and stable nation that welcomes its diversities in the foreseeable future.

          • haileTG

            Selam Hashela (TSR)

            Just dropped by to warn you again before you make a spectacle of yourself…

          • Hashela

            Dearest Haile TW

            I recommend a break and a walk to the park. Make sure you are hydrated, check your sugar level, and open the window of your office as an extended high drive inevitably leads to an incomplete combustion and emission of CO, a highly toxic gas.

            Your neighbor (on the north side of Mereb River)

          • haileTG

            Hashela (TSR) The suspected Rapist,

            How is business for you now that you can’t guard PFDJ torture room while victims raped. You disturbed soul ex HGDEF criminal, your mind is torturing you now. Did you get into antidepressants to be so forgetful of your dirty history. You stink and ooze your evil stench every time you show up. How many people did you rape and torture in Eritrea? Or were you only the guard dog? Your suspected rapist criminal past is wrong footing you whenever you talk. Loser TSR…

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile TW

            You are making yourself ridiculous and unnecessarily besmirching this honorable Eritrean web site.
            Have a nice evening!

          • haileTG

            Hashela The Suspected Rapist (TSR)

            Please stay you criminal. You need to be exposed for the dirty broken spirit you are. You are only good as damaged as those you damaged as guard dog.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile TW

            again, I wish you a nice evening and enriching quality family time

          • haileTG

            Hashela The suspected Rapist (TSR)

            You don’t understand family if it slapped you in the face, your cruel past is proof positive…family oriented people don’t work as guard dogs of rape chamber…take a hike with your wish, give it to your ex-torturer friends.

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