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Its Time for a Unity Government in Exile

Nineteen years ago today, on February 2nd 2002, Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki corrupted the Eritrean Parliament into taking measures that were effectively institutional suicide.  How and why it took this shameful and fatal step is chronicled here.  Unquestionably, the removal of an institution that was the last check on the executive accelerated Eritrea’s slide into a One Man Monocracy, which has led Eritrea from one self-inflected wound to another to arrive where it is now: a country without a constitution, without any liberties, where its citizens live in fear of their government and, unlike some people who live in totalitarian states but have something to show for it by way of a higher living standard, our people are poorer for it: materially, spiritually, and any other “ly” that measures human development.

This author had argued before that the solution is a “democratic coup”: meaning, for the ruling party to reset itself and set the country on a path to democracy (article published at awate can be found here. ) This, obviously, would mean that those who are in a position to do so–the leaders of the Eritrean government’s civilian and military institutions–remove Isaias Afwerki from power and resume the path that was started in 1997 when the country’s constitution was ratified.  This idea was further fleshed out in more detail by former Minister of Finance Berhane Abrehe in his book: Hagherey Ertra, whose English summary and critique is available here.  This author and Berhane Abrehe made the assumption that it was still possible for Eritreans inside Eritrea to be the engineers of this change, a prospect that seems distant now in a land ravaged by Isaias Afwerki’s sadism and a pandemic.

It is time that the Eritrean Diaspora assumed more of the responsibility and in this article, I will try to flesh out an idea that I consider viable and, more importantly, grants our future leaders instant legitimacy.

Before I propose my idea, let’s agree on the facts, first:

I.  Eritrea has only one legal party (it calls itself a Front) and this party has not had an organizational congress since 1994 (February 1994, 27 years ago.)

II. Of the 75 members of the Party’s Central Committee, the individuals whose names appear in bold are either dead, in detention, in exile or “frozen” (quietly demoted):

1. Abdella Jaber: 2. Abraha Kassa: 3. Abrahaley Kifle: 4. Adhanom G/mariam: 5. Ahmed Haji Ali:
6. Ahmed Omer Kakai: 7. Ahmed Tahir Baduri 8. Alamin M. Said: 9. Alamin Sheik Saleh 10. Alamin Siraj
11. Ali Said Abdella 12. Almaz Ljam 13. Amna Nur-Hussein 14. Andebrhan W/Giorgis 15. Andemikael Kahsai
16. Asemrom Gerezgiher 17. Askalu Menkerios 18. Aster Fessehatzion 19 Beraki Gebreslassie 20 Berhane Abrehe
21 Berhane Gerezgiher 22 Berhane Zerai 23 Ermias Debessai 24 Fana Tesfamariam 25 Filipos W/yohannes
26. Fozia Hashim 27. Gerezgiher A/mariam 28. Germano Nati 29. Giorgis Teklemikael 30. Hagos Gebrehiwet
31. Haile Menkorious 32. Haile Mehtsun 33. Haile Samuel 34. Haile Woldense 35 Hamed M.Karikare
36. Hamid Himid 37. Hiwet Zemikael­­­ 38. Isaias Afwerki 39. Issa Ahmed Issa 40. Luel Ghebreab
41. Mahmud Ali Herui 42. Mahmud Sharifo 43. Mesfin Hagos 44. Mohamed Ali Jaber 45. Mohammed A. Omaro
46. Mohammed Berhan Blata 47 Mohammed O. Redo 48. Muhyadin Shengeb 49. Musa Rabá 50. Mustafa Nurhussein
51. Naizgi Kiflu 52. Nati Ibrahim 53. Ogbe Abraha 54. Omer Hassen Tewil 55. Osman M. Omer
56. Osman Saleh Mohammed 57. Petros Solomon 58. Romedan Osman Awliay 59. Saleh Idris Keckya 60. Saleh Meki
61. Salma Hassen 62. Sebhat Ephrem 63. Simon Gebredengel 64. Stefanos Seyoum 65. Teklai Habteselassie
66. Tesfai Gebreselassie 67 Woldemikael G/mariam 68. Woldenkiel Abraha 69. Worku Tesfamikael 70. Yemane Gebreab
71. Yusuf Sayiqh 72. Zahra Jabir 73. Zemehret Yohannes 74. Zemzem Abdella 75. Ibrahim Totil

III. There are thousands of EPLF supporters who do not support PFDJ and do not have a political home. These are the “Shaebia Now, Shaebia Forever, But Death To PFDJ” people.

IV. Over the last 20 years, the Eritrean opposition has failed in organizing itself into a potent political force with vibrant institutions of law, media, and communication. During the same period, the Eritrean Diaspora has also failed to create a self-sustaining civil society despite the fact that it has been quite successful at creating ad-hoc groups focused on a single issue (Isaias To ICC, HRC, OneDaySeyoum, and 101 YouTube Channels and Facebook groups and satellite stations.)  All the splinters have been caused, in my opinion, due to lack of legitimacy: nobody accepts the authority of a leader.

Now then, my proposal.

  1. The exiled Central Committee members of “PFDJ”, and those who were Central Committee members in the last (1987) EPLF congress should convene an Organizational Congress, the 4th EPLF Congress, as soon as feasible. Its purpose is to address the hijacking (and renaming) of their organization at the 3rd congress.
  2. The mixed blessing (gulbub mrqa iye zblo ane) of COVID19 is that congresses do not need to be a logistical nightmare of booking airline tickets, hotels and visas anymore. The Organizational Congress can be a series of Zoom Meetings.
  3. This being an organizational congress, the Central Committee members need not worry about the primary obstacle of deciding whom to invite and not invite: those inviting and those being invited should be proud EPLF leaders and members.  Again, this is an Organizational Congress.
  4. Unaffiliated Eritreans, friends of Eritrea and other opposition organizations should be invited as observers, as is always the case with organizational congresses.
  5. The Organizational Congress should focus on re-drafting the Organizational Charter (including renaming itself back to EPLF although EPLF need not stand for People’s Liberation Front–it can be Eritrean People’s Liberty Forum–but the idea is to rid the country of the toxicity associated with PFDJ.)
  6. The Organizational Congress should stay true to the calls made by the now-arrested members of the Central Committee (the G-15, the Forto Mutiny engineers.) That is, the beginning documents should be the EPLF’s 1987 resolution coupled with the Open Letters of the G-15.
  7. If the Central Committee members are saying, “But I can’t stand so-and-so”, you are still being victims of Isaias Afwerki whose ascendancy to, and monopoly of, power was facilitated by having his colleagues in constant suspicion of each other.  If the Central Committee members are saying “we are old, etc, etc”, remember your cohorts in Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF)  did not say that when they felt the fate of their country and all they paid to make it happen was at risk: they went to the mountains to fight. Ambassador Seyoum Mesfin chose to go to the mountains, to side with his people, and got shot in the head for it (with gun powder still visible on his forehead, for the cold assassination. If you don’t admire that, check your Hamot.)   You are only being asked to organize an organizational congress and your role will be transitional.
  8. The Organizational Congress should have a democratic election where it elects its leadership, who then elect the executive team. This ensures continuity and grants the new leadership something sorely lacking in the Eritrean Opposition: legitimacy.
  9. It is important that the EPLF Central Committee know that it cannot do anything on its own.  Therefore, its resolutions must be opposition-friendly.  What that means is part of the agenda of the Organizational Congress must be to study and evaluate the blueprints that have been issued by various political organizations over the last 20 years (leave the arrogance to the PFDJ at home) and arrive at decisions with the assumption that it will be forming a United Front with the other groups.
  10. All of this must be pursued with a sense of urgency: it must be started and finished before May 24, 2021: Eritrea’s 30 anniversary of Independence which, sadly, has been transformed to total subservience to Isaias Afwerki.

What Then?

Shortly following the convening of the EPLF Organizational Congress, Eritrea’s other half must hold its own Organizational Congress.   By “other half” I refer to Eritreans who do not think the EPLF represents their values.   The two organizations (not ten, but two) then create a Unity Government In Exile, representing themselves as an alternative to the Band of Misfits and Enslavers in Eritrea.  This will not enable them to do all the things a government does, but it will empower and legitimize them to do some of the things governments do including meeting with foreign dignitaries and fashioning alternative policies to the suicidal ones pursued by the PFDJ.

If you are thinking it is too bold to announce oneself a government in exile: you shouldn’t even try. The only reason the one in Eritrea calls itself a government is not because it is governing by the consent of the people (whereas you will) but because it has guns.  If that is your argument,  that only people with guns should hold power, then you should forget about the Organizational Congress and organize an army.  Geisha Alla ember eta ghedli, as wedi tkabo sang. But doing nothing is not an option. 

Besides, what is the alternative?  For people like General Filipos to organize a coup?  For a people who are under house arrest and banned from organizing in groups of 10 to organize a popular uprising? For Isaias Afwerki to die? News alert: his mama is still alive.

Let’s get to it.

About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Tactic and strategy are like Chinese Chop-Sticks, one is held in in place while the other moves constantly. Also, there is a fine movement in the art of balancing and timing in the delicate matters of partnership and betrayal when it comes to political genius.

    With that said, does it stand to reason to argue that PMAA is the next IA of the HoA region?

    Observation:

    IA has shown one constant trait in his political life (strategy) that virtually everyone that set out with some form of partnership with him ended up neutralized and disfranchised. From his early years of meda, up to this moment, IA has outlived every single person or organization that came to partner with him in any form. The remaining are reduced to a mere yes-men servants at his whim.

    PMAA seems to track that sort of path. In his short tenure so far, his relationship with TPLF, EPRDF and other political personalities ended up with him neutralizing and disfranchising them. Even IA may not escape that fate as it is clear from PMAA’s creative ambiguity in his handling of the Eritrea – Tigray saga.

    What is awatista’s verdict on such conclusion that the HoA may be birthing IA re-incarnate in the 42 year-old Ethiopian leader Abichu??

    • Barolle

      Selam Haile TG,

      I think The Fiddler, aka PIA, have achieved every goal and soon will have Tigray as his last prize. Say what you will of him, but denying what you mentioned about him is not possible given every obstacle he has defeated.

      Here is were I don’t agree with you. PMAA is only a brick to a greater scheme. I don’t think betrayal is the purpose, because that is the characteristics of TPLF, excluding the ELF/EPLF debacle.

      Comparing The Fiddler with PMAA is outright impossible. He is but a mear string on the fiddle. 🎻

      That’s my take on it. Thank you for contributing with interesting discussions.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5wLvnodPU4&feature=emb_title

    • saay7

      Haile TG:

      Well well well. It’s about dealing with constraints isn’t it. In this scenario of whether Abiy is a fiddle or a string:

      1. If you read Abiy’s እርካብ ና መንበር (The Throne & The Stirrup ), it’s very clear that Abiy is a devout student of Machiavelli. Do whatever you have to do, say whatever you have to stay, to grab and hold on to power.

      2. On the other hand, there are all these constraints he has to live with by virtue of being a Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

      He is battling these two identities, and that’s why he is busy saying nothing and doing only ceremonial things. At some point, he will have to choose the persona that suits him. If he chooses the Machiavelli disciple persona (and the Tigrayan campaign to get him referred to ICC, of which Ethiopia is not a signatory,) may lead him towards Machiavelli, he will have Isaias for lunch. And with Isaias, what Isaias brings with him: Eritrea and her ports.

      Abiy is often underestimated: but you don’t slay the most entrenched powerful TPLF without being a calculating, long game guy. He is quite a formidable foe and don’t let all that new age prosperity gospel grifter talk fool you. Isaias is a has been living off the fumes of Eritreans gratitude for being a sovereign state.

      This is one of the reasons we need a government in exile. Article in the ready-to-publish stage 🙂

      saay

      • haileTG

        Hey saay, can’t wait for article! Ayt’dongyena 🙂

        Back to PMAA, I learned long ago that in the mafia family to “settle out of court” had a whole lot different meaning. It usually means a bullet in the head of whoever takes the mafia to court. PMAA’s doctorate in Conflict Resolution may also have similar street meaning, given his approach so far. If he is (when he is) duly elected soon, I think he’ll have greater room to rework the current constraints. He will most likely then launch into his major campaign to shape the state apparatus. He will transition into the typical long-term New African leaders as Kigame, Musovini… but his ability to eliminate his adversaries so far is a sure thing. When IA was doing this for the last almost 60 years, it took very long to be certain of his motives for many people. Ethiopians should learn from us and ask PMAA “where is your brother ” at every turn. How I wish we did that!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Haile-TG,

      Hailat: let me start with this statement:
      DIA will outlast PMAA. Reasons and factors are as follows:

      (a) DIA has more experience – fifty years to be exact, at the helm of power fighting, liquidating, and disposing his competitors, at every turn of our history. PMAA has less experience – 3 years to be exact, at the helm of power. DIA has passed through many political crises within and without, and yet he came out successful from those crises that are detrimental to his power. PMAA in 3 years of his tenure has faced the first political crises – big in its magnitude and its consequences, and does not seem to get an exit out of it successfully. In fact he will not last long than a year. More so the international communities might indict him on crime against inhumanity. Besides, his support is eroding day by day as the war of subjugation continue unabated.

      (b) DIA has formed a formidable and disciplined party that shield his power for 30 years. PMAA ‘s prosperity party – a split of the former EPRDF party, that eventually dissolved, is not a consolidated party, that has yet to make its “establishing Congress” to elect its leaders. The party’s base and its constituents are diminishing and the unelected leaders are leaving in droves.

      (c) DIA does not like to talk, rather his focus is on his directives and monitor his messengers as to wether they are loyal to him and his directives. PMAA loves to talk and act as one who “knows all” and in doing that he is always trapped in unforced pathological lies. That in itself is not good for a nascent party to broaden its base.

      (d) DIA has created a docile population – a society that is terrorized and humiliated for 30 years – only waiting his demise by natural cause. On the other hand Ethiopians are a vibrant ready for change who do not hesitate to sacrifice for change. Ethiopians will see change of leadership sooner than us – though no one know the path they will take.

      Regards

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    Thanks for your input for accurate translation to “Ethnic Cleansing” in Tigrinya. Some of you have leaned towards word for word translation, while others gave emphasis to the potential loss of lives involved. However, Ethnic cleansing includes: deportation, expulsion, killings and forced resettlement. Genocide obliges the UN or member states to intervene under the UN articles of 1948. Ethnic cleansing is not legally defined but the ICC has found it to be linked to genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Thus ethnic cleansing does get covered under IHL through those three conditions. The limitation is however, it can’t be prevented and punished proactively as an attempted act. I think Anthony Blinken has carefully chosen the wording under those considerations (otherwise the US/UN would legally need to intervene if he said it was genocide).

    My two cents worth of Tigrigna phrase is ዓሌተኛ ብሕጎጋ. The ዓሌተኛ implies the perpetrator is the subject and is on the wrong (ኛ indicates doer, and ዓሌተኛ has a negative connotation).

    ብሕጎጋ is expansive enough to include different means of achieving removal – deportation, killing, forced resettlement…).

    ዓሌተኛ ብሕጎጋ can also be linked to other related atrocities that were used in the process. Such as ህልቂታዊ ዓሌተኛ ብሕጎጋ (linking massacre and ethnic cleansing).

    Now, what does W/ro Fozia Hashim has to say about this…:-)

    • Haile S.

      Selam MoKsi and all,

      I am still in Tantarwaland near Keren digging the source of the word. Although it is a hard rock, I am deep down below the surface covered with Tantarua dust, but not finding anything important. I am afraid, the key might be on the surface and I might have overlooked it. Before climbing back, I have a question for you on the possible origin of another word related to the unusual word you brought, ዓለወኛ (lawless) came to my mind. Do you think ዕዋላ came from ዓለወ(ኛ)? Or is from an independent word ዓወለ.

      BTW, your ብሕጎጋ sounds like uprooting, the result of our highland flood that leaves nothing behind.

      • Saleh Johar

        HaileS,
        I think buHgega is to scraping off something from a surface
        on Ewaala, someone said it’s related to the Arabic Aweel — m’eway–loud cry. It’s said of someone who has no decorum in a social conversation–too loud, or foulmouth. Ewaala do that. And keep digging, it could be limestone and not granite as you suspect 🙂

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Moxie!

        I researched the etymology of the word Ewaala… no luck, this is the closest I found 🙂

        https://youtu.be/RiE1Kgs8-Do

        • Haile S.

          Thank you MoKsi,

          That says all. Please pkease tell me the address of this ኣንዳ ስዋ። You sent back to the mid 70s where we started to venture to ኣግሪ ኣባ ሻውል.

          Here is one for you in the “modern” way.
          https://youtu.be/YrOxdcj67Fo

    • saay7

      Ah, HG at his best! Selamat:

      I just heard from the Minister of Justice and she said “don’t get me involved: I am only the Minister of Justice.” Reminds me of a scene from Monty Python’s Meaning of Life where the doctors clear the room of everyone who has no business being in the child delivery hospital room. When the husband says “I am her husband”, the doctors say only those involved can stay.

      But seriously the Hgdef Justice is so archaic they don’t even know that forced labor is, by definition under international law, considered human trafficking. So whenever they get accused of that (due to their abuse of labor of conscripted soldiers) they say Weyane, Fukuyama, unipolar world and spray the world with their malicious ignorance.

      https://youtu.be/NcHdF1eHhgc

      Saay

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Saay7,

        Yes Saay7, ,”seriously the Hgdef Justice is so archaic,,, ”

        They keep blaming “Weyane” for the last 30 years even for very simple problem. Now the world have clear information.

        Ha Ha H..”Birth – Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life|”

        KS…

      • haileTG

        Hey Saay, Thanks!

        That is a great addition to the discussion. Human Trafficking as the legal coverage for forced labor is something few of us paid attention to. HGDEF donqoro lekimuna eko:)

        • saay7

          Selamat Haile TG:

          Speaking of the arrested development of the Isaias Clique in Eritrea, they also have no idea of the modern definition of “rape” and “slavery.” They have the early 20th century definition of these crimes and whenever they are accused of them, they get on their soapbox to express great outrage and show the world, once again, why they are considered global outcasts.

          saay

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear አዋቴክስ,

      ዓለት ኮስተርቲን ዓለት ቀተልቲ :👹👻
      ተታሓሒዘን ብብረትን መስፈርቲ😱
      ንንህድህዶም ጀሚሮም መቅተልቲ🙀
      ንመን ከቃጥዕ ንመን ክደንን👏
      ነዓይ ነዓይ ክብሉ ዓቅለይ አጸቢበን👎🏾
      ______

      Cheers,
      Reclaim
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    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Merhaba Haile-TG,

      Hailat: The more contested words comes up, the more scrutiny on them, to find out a fitting word or phrase to “ethnic cleansing” or any word or phrase for that matter. We should welcome them even if they look unfitting to the issue at hand.

      Now on the “ብሕጎጋ” I tend to agree with your Mokusi Hailat, that it sound to be a fitting to “uprooting”. In any case I reserved that word for other potential meaning. But your provocative intellect made me to look other possible word.

      Ethnic cleansing = ቅንዘፋ ዓሌት
      ቅንዘፋ is derived from the word ምቅንዛፍ. It seems to include “killing” and “expulsion”- the act of “cleansing.”

      Regards

      • haileTG

        Hey Aman,

        That is great! Q’nzefa sounds original and unique. You see words are important constructs to point to concepts. In this case, it is also important to identify the legal parameters that signify their usage. Naming convention is something the opposition need to pay particular attention to because the PFDJ has done such a disservice to our political and legal vocabulary. A new dawn of political life in Eritrea needs a new language that separate it from PFDG-ism. Aletawi Q’nzefa is what we should call it, courtesy of Amanuel Hidrat!

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Haile and All,

      I am following your discussions with regards to the US secretory state address and what is being possibly being working at.

      I think this is well and good and looking to help ease the suffering of the people of the region but what would the consequences for Eritrea, if such interventions takes place.

      The other day you gave the examples of Libya and Iraq and how quickly things have moved. Based on what we know today, it’s not really the desired outcome to the people and the region.

      While we try to find proper translation and meaning, and the US and the UN move through their plans, what can terribly go wrong for the long term Eritrea future.

      Accepting as having a civil war as a normal phenomenon gives me shivers to think about it.

      And all this because, Eritrea gets into this mess to save a baboon prime minister power, and are we okay with it with what follows after?

      The outcome is guaranteed to be worse for Eritrea than what is currently today. Sure we may get rid of the dictator but what will go down with him needs serious consideration.

      My suggestion would be:

      1) I think from Eritrean people point of view, we need to figure out what’s the best outcome we desire and try to work on that priority.

      2) Its not that it’s not important but what we are doing, focusing on ethnic cleansing etc., is putting the Tigray / Ethiopian people priority first.

      That’s is all fine, but what’s the point of shifting the crisis from Tigray to Eritrea.

      Isn’t there anywhere to help the people of Tigray without destroying Eritrea in the process.

      At the same time, the baboon prime minister who suppose to be responsible for the safety of his people (including the Tigray people) left alone.

      • Abi

        Hello Berhe
        You said “ At the same time, the baboon prime minister…”
        Now you equating the prime minister with baboons.
        I’m sure your baboon parents are rejoicing from some kind of protected zoo .

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          He is baboon, and I think the baboon are smarter than him, they don’t allow outsiders to destroy their own kind. He needs to be held accountable, first and foremost.

          This baboon, while the world is saying there may be ethnic cleansing happening in his country, he goes abs tell a story how he use to tutor “the grade 3 while he was grade 4, I use to be friends with the teachers”. Seriously, you have nothing better to say and do, than telling children bedtime story.

          If ethnic cleansing is happening in his own country by internal militia and foreign forces, why is he left off the hook and not being able to answer directly.

          1) Are the Eritrean forces committing ethnic cleansing? Yes or No.
          2) Did he invited to come in or they come in their own?
          3) Is he going to force them out or he needs help from outside forces?

          Wether the “junta” lied or fabricated or what ever, all are Ethiopians and not our problem.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            You grew up calling Amharas “አድጊ”. Now you are calling a person, a prime minister of a country, a baboon.
            Yesterday, you said it is a curse to live next to Ethiopia.
            I think it is a qebessa thing belittling everyone.
            You need to see a shrink.

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi,
            This great animal is the symbol of Democratic Party in the USA!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ብርሃን ነብሲ

            ኣድግን ገመልን ተራኺቦም
            ሓደርካ ኣድጊ አለ ገመል ከም ኣመሉ
            ዋት? ክብል ኣድጊ መለሰሉ

            ገመል ደንጺዎ
            ሰላም ዓሌኩም ድማ በሎ
            ብጸዋግ ገጽ ኣድጊ ተቐበሎ

            ገመል ተደናጊሩ
            መሳርሕተይ ዝነበረ
            ኣድጊ ዶ ‘ኮነን ‘ዩ ኢሉ ገመል ክሓስብ
            ኣድጊ ክዕንድር ጀመረ
            ፍርቂ ጥራጥ ፍርቂ “ዊ ዎን”
            ‘ናበለ
            ብማውንተን አይ ንገመል ሂቡ ተዓዝረ

            ለካ ገመል ዘይፈለጠስ
            ባይደን ከም ዝሰዓረ
            ተስፋ ውልቀ መላኺ ትራምፕ ከምተስብረ

            ኣድጊ
            ብህግደፍ ዘይረኸቦ ኣብ ኣመሪካ ከበረ
            ገመል
            ነዚ ምስ ‘ስተውዓለ
            በኻ ክብረት ናይ ህግደፍ ተሪፉኒ
            ድማ በለ
            ገመል ነዊሕ!

          • Brhan

            Hello MM Nebsi!

            If donkey helped build America, we can say camel played the same role with regard to our struggle of indpendence.

            Let me share this with you

            https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/08/29/cnnheroes-meyers-mixed.cnn

        • Barolle

          Hey Abi,

          You should be focusing on what Ethiopians think of your beloved PAA more than what Eritreans do. I’ll explain why, but it takes not being shortsighted to get the gist of it.

          “Ethnic cleansing” is not the term that I would use to describe today’s situation in Ethiopia. However, ethnically motivated attacks, ethnically motivated displacements and ethnically motivated prejudice is sadly very prevalent.

          That said, what will this predicament Ethiopia is in lead to, or what could it lead to if your scepticism gets in the way for you to see the bigger picture being constructed before the public eye?

          Tigray will inevitably either merge with Eritrea under Eritrean leadership, or will become an independent country. Is that a bold statement? Probably so, but could it come to fruition? Yes, yes it certainly can!

          You see, the reasonTPLF and the extremist Agazian movement failed miserably is because they were not inclusive. In both ethnic and religious regards. What happens if inclusiveness, equal rights and opportunities becomes a reality by a competent leader? That’s a rhetorical question.

          It’s safe to say it would benefit the Amharas to help the needy in Tigray, at least by steady food and water supply.

          The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.”

          • Abi

            Hey Barolle
            Let me make it short for you so that there will be no misunderstanding between us.
            Tigray can declare independence tomorrow or join with Eritrea the day after tomorrow. I care less.
            If the people of Tigray decided to leave, I will respect their decisions.
            Are we clear?

          • Barolle

            Hey Abi,

            I don’t believe you, and here is why. The power balance would be shifted in an unfavourable way for Amharas. Furthermore, the Oromos are our fans (Eritreas fans), and that shifts the power even more to one direction. You see where this is going?

          • Abi

            Barolle
            I’m kind of confused here.
            Are you concerned about Eritrea or Tigray?
            Anyway, you are more than welcome to join forces with Tigray and form the Agazian Kingdom. I believe you will have millions of people from both sides of the mereb praying for your dreams come true.
            My question is how can I help expediting the merger and acquisition process?

          • Barolle

            Abi,

            I care for the wellbeing of Eritrea and my host country first and foremost. Why would that limit my ability to care for innocent people getting killed, or mistreated? I admit that the language and culture is a pulling factor, but I would never accept Amharas or other ethnic groups being treated like the Tigrayans currently are.

            Besides I like your tibs and eskista. Your Doro wot pale in comparison to our though.

            Today’s Negus can easily become tomorrow’s lemani. That is the truth and our history can attest to it.

          • Abi

            Barolle
            The people of Tigray are being cared for by the federal government.
            Thank you for your concerns.

            I never knew Eritreans make ዶሮ ወጥ. I believe it is loaded with ኮሞዶሬ :: I might put that thing on spaghetti.
            We live to learn.

            ጥብሱንም መጥበሱንም ለእኛ ተውልን:: እናውቅበታለን!

          • Barolle

            Abi,

            “Cared for”

            Yes, of course we have it. What ethnic group discovered it first though? Our xebhi has tomatoes like you mentioned and it makes it much tastier. Yours is too dry, but you have other tasty stuff to compensate with.

            Xebhi xahli, alicha, dorot and salad…. mmmm mmm mmmm my goodness. There is nothing that can beat that combo for me.

          • Abi

            Hello Barolle
            You and I have a totally different kind of taste. The good thing is we can have macchiato after lunch. I hope you agree.

            Please leave the salad for the goats.
            ሰው ቅጠል መብላት የለበትም::

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          You know exactly what I am saying but you are trying to twist the message so to discourage me from talking about.

          FYI, we didn’t call the Sudanese any names. We didn’t call the Saudi, the Yemeni or the Djibouti or Somali people any names.

          We certainly never called the Amhara people any names either. The term you mentioned was used as a code word to the invading, capturing, torturing and burning foreign forces. It didn’t differentiate an Amhara, an Oromo, a gurage or any other Ethiopian ethnic groups, but those who were wearing the uniform and terrorizing us.

          Is that even comparable? What were you expecting us to calm them.

          Are your feeling hurt because I called your PM a baboon?

          Go look at the statement and the response to the US allegations? What does he say about the foreign forces who are accused of those atrocities in his own country to his own people.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            All I’m saying is equating a prime minister of any country or any person with a baboon is showing your arrogance.
            Anyway, you have earned your brownie points for the day.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Berhe Y,
            I think it’s crystal clear what you are trying to say.
            Let me share Ethiopian proverb.

            የጎባጣ አሽከር አጎንብሶ የሄዳል
            ምነው ምን ሆንክ ሲባል
            ጌታዬን ለመምሰል ነው አለ ይባላል

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Berhe,

        Sorry you guys went off the track with Gu’ad Abi…

        Back to your point though, it would take unimaginable degree of good luck for Eritrea to transition peacefully. Several years ago, I was debating here with Mahmudai about the mechanics of civil uprising in Eritrea. Inside those comments, I made mention that a personal dictator’s end is the most violent of all types of dictatorships (institutional dictatorship like china or monarch dictatorship like the Saudi Arabia).

        The critical juncture Eritrea finds itself is a natural conclusion of the path it followed under a personal dictator. A personal dictator is driven by deep hunger for power. He strips power off of all institutions. In other words, institutions are highly degraded to to point of collapse. Such an environment of no institutional structure strengthen the personal dictator but exposes the country to high risk of brutal violence. IA can fall tomorrow for any number of reasons, yet there are no institutional apparatus to transition his power. Not even a constitution to guide any potential initiative for transition. It is all up for grabs. The hard truth is that we’ll need to start from a scratch to put together any semblance of a central administration or government.

        To make matters worse, there is no recognized opposition face even in the diaspora! This is what makes us to give saay’s proposal a serious shot. It may not be the thing most people would wish. True, that we wish to have a transition that breaks with the past in a total and clean way. We really can’t afford that. That is beyond our structural competency as things are right now. So, saay brings an entry point that imagines the GIE that is rooted in the existing (albeit dormant) structures of power transfer. That would not be the end but a safe landing from a potentially chaotic violence for power.

        It is also important we understand and keep up with internationally recognized political and legal jargons. Our people are really isolated and made to lag far behind in the up-to-date terminologies that are going to be used when we rejoin the world community. You need to know what is being thrown at you in order to respond effectively and contest issues at your greatest advantage.

        I hope something happens to easy things a bit but it looks IA has bitten more than he can chew this time and has found himself in a catch 22. If he withdraws from Tigray fully, he then has to wait for the knock from ICC, if stays in Tigray he will have to wait for the international blowback. Can’t win!

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          Sorry it took a while to respond back. I wanted to share a link to give context what’s being brewed for us.

          I don’t know the whole context of the discussion but while are planning for the downfall of IA and the formation of GiE, the TPLF or the Tigray leaders are equally preparing, probably more so than us to take advantage of the situation to permanently seal our faith.

          https://m.facebook.com/samrawit.desale/posts/2894953997446627

          I don’t want to sound alarmist but equally with the GiE, I think we need to put all variables to the equation and try to avoid any risk that would fall on us.

          Here is the facts
          1) The Tigray activists today have shown their might and how they have managed to bring the whole world attention. Right now we are yes where close and I can’t imagine we will be able to match their sophistication and determination today. It reminds me, what we Eritreans use to do during our armed struggle. There is a lot of reason but primarily reason is, fighting external enemy is always easier.

          2) It seems that it is forgone conclusion, the international community will some punitive action against Isayas. From Tigray interest and future, what they are planning is the least resistance and most effective approach and solution. They would rather fight weak Eritrea, fragmented by its own government, weaken by international community has no ally rather than trying to secure power in central Ethiopia and fight everyone and everything in between.

          3) To achieve their plans it seems, in order to minimize the reaction, they have devised to divide the country carefully so they don’t fight everyone. Leave Eritrean lowlands alone, abs focus in the highlands abs Denkel area. In the highlands, they are dividing the region and picking sides. They say, Akeleguzai and Serae are on their side, and their fight is with Hamasien and HGDF.

          4) They are already preparing and setting up ambassador of Tigray and spokesperson, Tigray media etc. Because IA has entered Tigray, gives them the green light to retaliate in the same manner.

          I know the suffering the people of Tigray are going through. And by yes means is that I am suggesting or blaming anyone. But as an Eritrean, I think we need to plan for the danger that’s would fall on us and we need to think for ourselves first.

          In other words, I think we need to prioritize and tine is not in our side. We need to set aside everything (political differences) and focus to save ourselves and our country and our people future.

          Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            While waiting HaileTG’s response, let me say this:

            Great points you raised. This Zemene Mesafnt style TPLF dream has been going on for decades and will go on, in one form or another, as long as there are large cracks and gaps among Eritrean. Into those cracks that exist they are hammering wedges using internal narrow minded collaborators. I absolutely agree with the points of caution you raised. TPLF’s enemy was not IA for the last 30 years. It is Eritrea that tries to stand on its feet they don’t want to see.

            One thing I would add is to decrease the rhetoric against the Abiy government, Amhara, Abyssinia and everything that goes along that. TPLF used this as the biggest undertructable gun against Eritrea in 1998. The “alleged hate on Amhara” harbored by Eritreans was the glue TPLF exploited with no qualms to unite Ethiopia against Eritrea. As you justly said, the TPLF remnants are looking for Eritrea that multiply its enemies.

            The dream is for the future GIE to be able to impose recognition or talk on the Eritrean regime, but at some point it also need to talk with Ethiopian government. TPLF hallucinatory destructive ambition can only be deflated with strength, cohesion and frienship. Their ambition need to be resolved too, but realistically and within their country. Eritrea can contribute as a fraternal neighbor.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            You must be kidding. Berhe, the finest brain Awate university ever produced, believes that the prime minister of Ethiopia is a baboon. Imagine what he calls the people of Ethiopia?
            He believes Ethiopians are subhumans.
            Disgusting!

          • Haile S.

            Morning Abi,

            I was talking generally, nothing personal to Berhe who brought interesting points to ponder for the GIE forming committee.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            This is where you miserably failed.
            You failed to correct the all knowing Berhe when he proudly and arrogantly called the leader of a country a baboon.
            You miserably failed when he lamented being a neighbor to Ethiopia is a curse.
            Once I called Idris Awate a “shifta “ and the whole university protested.
            The last thing I need is insulted by a useless zombie.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው,

            May be. But in this sensitive domain, we all failed by resorting to anger-driven insults and by responding in the same way.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abi,

            The Slavic people were once subjects, as such were subservients, to the Nordic varying kingdoms. Thus the term SLAV were glued to them! The Vandals, the Visi-Goths, and many others do carry similar stigma! However, and as a reminder, they all chose to stick with the name given to them by their then conquering kingdoms. But yet, look where they stand in the world social orders of the today?! Baboons are social animals with apparatchiks to protect one of their own. Take it by the chin, nothing wrong with belonging to a family of Baboon. In fact, I’d rather be a Baboonian than an Eritrojan!!

            This site is like being under the sun, nothing new if someone calls Ethiopians with such degrading remarks. Look around you and notice that you see less Ethiopians. Many of us are abstaining because we came to a conclusion that this is their site and not of ours! In a town where I grew up, we created a gathering space of our own, where we do more than talk. Please find your boat! Heed my advice, please!

          • Saleh Johar

            Dis Donc,
            How does calling Abi a baboon translate to calling Ethiopians baboons? Don’t go crazy with your imagination.

          • Dis Donc

            SJ,

            How about morphing the word “Gondere” as an insult to Hope nebsy? Don’t try to top the bigot list! As I wrote, for all to see, being a Baboon is not a curse, nor an insult. Only ignorants assume so.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dis Donc,
            I don’t expect you to stoop low. Allegations outside context is pure fabrication. Decency requires we stay honest. If baboon is not an insult to humans, I don’t know what culture you come from. Proof? Why are you so worked up because the Tnchel Abiy is called a baboon/ Oh, Tenchel is also an animal but I call him that because he jumps a lot. I suggest you don’t tread the path of wining an argument through emotional blackmail–Animals are equally as far or as close to both of us, don’t pretend to be defending the pride of animals–this is not the topic about animal rights, but human rights. Because a lion will eat you up and if I call a lion a monster who eats people, it is the same effect. And yes, we do not allow taking over our platform for partisan gains–as always everyone is welcome here as long as they are willing to take what they give, and realize we will not allow ethnic warfare from the ground to this platform.

          • Dis Donc

            SJ,

            If you think that you can sway things this way then I say to you “Have it your way, buddy!!” Good luck with that!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Dis Donc,

            Since I started this, I want to give you my side of the story before you jump to any conclusions.

            Abi never bothered to ask me why I called the PM baboon, may be he doesn’t need so.

            It was the day after the US Secretary of State said publicly, he had a phone call with the PM. He also said he wanted the Eritrean forces and the militia from neighbouring state to leave from Tigray.

            I read the statement of the Ethiopian PM office with regards to his comments and nothing was said about this critical statement made. Instead he said he will cooperate in investigating and they welcome outsiders in.

            The same day he was taking pictures with trees like a baboon in a zoo as if nothing is happening, while his embassy in the US and around the world were coordinating demonstrations with the PFDJ offices world wide.

            To be clear the statement is, what kind of PM would not say a word, when his own country and his own people are “allegedly invaded by a foreign” country.

            I expect a normal PM to say:

            1) No Eritrean forces are inside Ethiopia.
            2) They are inside Ethiopia at our invitation and we will investigate the “alleged abuse” and deal with it.

            Arguing about baboons with Abi just dilutes the important topic so I decided to apologize to him and move on. I can make my point without any additional references, as it’s important that I stay on topic.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hello Berhe
            Abiy doesn’t need to jump every time the demented Biden or blinken blabbering. This is the same state department that went to USSC to convince the world that Iraq had WMD. It was wrong back then, it is wrong now.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            As we speak, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, an allay and supporter of Biden is headed to Addis.

            The PM will agree to everything the US asked and more, including throwing Eritrea and IA under the bus. That’s my prediction, I will eat my words out if it turned out otherwise.

            Let’s wait and see.

            Berhe

          • Dis Donc

            Berhe,

            You have shown your true color. If you think that anybody cares for you, just because you spoke with a guttural difficulty, you are mistaken. At the end of the day your guttural south end spits the same stink like the rest of us. You will see! But I say to you “have at it!”

          • Berhe Y

            Hi DD,

            I really don’t know what you are talking about to be honest.

            Whatever you say is fine by me.

            Berhe

          • Barolle

            Hello Berhe Y,

            No, it is not fine! You want to be a good Christian and turn the other cheek, if I’m not mistaken.

            Calling an invading army names, or a leader of a country, does not mean you think the Amhara ethnic group, or any other for that matter, have lesser value. In no way, shape, or form, have you been displaying a vile behaviour, or prejudice based on race and ethnicity alone.

            You have in fact shown the extreme opposite behaviour than what you are accused of in race, ethnic and religious matters.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Greeting from መረቁ ኢትዮጲያዊ; ክሬሙ ኤርትራዊ,

            Why was there so much bitterness over the simple traditional name-calling?
            Name-calling hurts and can have many lasting consequences on the ‘person'(directly proportional) but hey, is it really that of a big deal when you are playing politics, if you are opposition or support you throw everything you have and people are ok with that, nothing should be taken personal. Maybe if I could refresh your memory, Weyane was called by animal “Jeeb”. At first glance it was ok but it starts to become an issue.

            Name-calling may be an act of anger/frustration in the west, and throwing a stone on the neighbourhood dog is animal cruelty. But where we come from is not that of a big deal, so I don’t judge ppl based on that. I think you scored a point but no need for the bitterness. I might look at it differently.

            It Maybe best to share the below with you since you are attempting to say you’re feeling the pain that Abiy might felt.

            Malcolm X said that while the house Negro would refuse to even entertain the thought of leaving their enslaver, the field Negro jumped at the opportunity to be free. He said that in 20th century America, house Negroes still existed, only they’re well dressed and speak well.

            “And when you say, ‘your army,’ he says, ‘our army,’” Malcolm X explained. “He hasn’t got anybody to defend him, but anytime you say ‘we’ he says ‘we.’ … When you say you’re in trouble, he says, ‘Yes, we’re in trouble.’ But there’s another kind of Black man on the scene. If you say you’re in trouble, he says, ‘Yes, you’re in trouble.’ He doesn’t identify himself with your plight whatsoever.”

          • Abi

            Hello DD
            Thanks for your timely advice.
            Time to leave the boat. Tired of racists and ደነዞች in this forum. Some people are proudly racist and desperate searching for brownie points from the big guys.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I am sorry I called the prime minister as baboon. I did not call Ethiopians as sub human, if what I said, you understood that way and come out like that, I am also sorry for that.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            Since you dropped the Baboon reference, I just picked it up. I am owning it. We have a bloody baboon duo in the region: Abiy and Isaias.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Glad to participate in a website run by a chimpanzee.

          • Brhan

            Hello Berhe,
            According to him it is ok to use the racist ‘R’ word against the J. Biden admin and not ok to say to PM A.Abiy Ahmed a ‘baboon’. Very contradicting.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Berhe,

            I understand where you’re coming from. I also know that your concerns are shared by many. However, in most instances, I try to avoid speaking about entities such as those who profess their inner desires on how they would like to make a meal out of us. The reason I avoid addressing them directly is because it is premature and bordering on childish to do so. If the leadership of TPLF or others have that kind of calculation, then they bear full responsibility for the consequences. My main concern is that a civil war in Eritrea, where Eritreans turn on each other. That would entail incalculable devastation to Eritrea and its future. If on the other hand Eritreans manage to at least stay clear of violence towards each other, a chicken can dream whatever it wants. Dreams are free.

            This is where the genus of GiE, the way it proposes continuity based on a minimum common grounds kicks in. The GiE is merely a transitional body that would pave the way to whatever political path the nation will chart.

            I truly believe that IA is key bottleneck in fending off the demise of Eritrea. I say this to opposition, PFDJ and silent friends alike. When IA falls, it is like a dam or blocked water being released. The vast majority of the silent ones will automatically become one with the opposition view point. The hard core PFDJ, mostly diaspora based, would either try to quietly disappear in order to avoid criminally litigated against or show a foolhardy final stand. The latter would assume that they would have some base in Eritrea, that is unlikely. PFDJ ministers may might be guilty by association to some degree but I don’t consider them to be the target of retribution (with exception of few such as the two Yemanes and those in dept. 72 – aka Hagerawi Dihnet). The vast body of the ones to be fully implicated and hunted down are the the top brass military officers who have taken advantage of the Eritrean people when we are down. The ministers are not really that much implicated. But their stupid silence and enabling has done much damage.

            So, IA, diaspora PFDJ implants, military leadership, once removed, the rest of Eritrea can decide to enter into vow of healing and letting by-gone be by-gone. GiE, composed of mostly diaspora based ex-leaderships of both fronts and early GoE, civil society, grassroot diaspora opposition, Eritrean people at home, the armed forces and all citizens can rally around to help Eritrea get past the tight jam of transition period. If we survive it, that would be success worthy of generational and monumental accolade. Patience is important, letting go is important, imagining Eritrea as it should be is important.

            If we are united, valued each other and learn to wait and give space for diverse views and so forth, we would stand strong and those who are planning to fry us for lunch will have devastating news awaiting them. For now we’ll let them do the talking the talk, but surely meet them when they venture for walking the walk – and mark my word – if we stand together, it will end in greater disaster than they bargained for them.

            So, the key here is that we need to understand that the fall of IA , Idiot in Chief, is critically important. But, it will also require us to be in a maximum state of alert to ensure that it happens with the least impact as possible. We wish well to our neighbors to the south, east, west and the greater region, but we may be laying down but definitely not asleep.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Anthony Blinken characterized the events in Tigray as to include “ethnic cleansing”. Some Tigrigna websites and media seem to translate it as “m’xnat Alyet”. I think that is extermination not ethnic cleansing. The latter simply means a certain ethnic group is forcibly removed from a given geographic area where it normally was a demographic. How would you translate ethnic cleansing to Tigrigna in a way that distinguish it from genocide/extermination?

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat HTG,
      I used to mix up ethnic cleansing with genocide but if ethnic cleansing = ethnic group is forcibly removed from a given geographic area where it normally was a demographic, I would say ምምዝባል ወይ ድማ ምፍንቓል

      • haileTG

        Merhaba moxi, mehandis and Abi,

        Remember also that it is fairly new phrase dating back to an article in the NT in 1992. An anonymous US diplomat was quoted referencing it in connection to the Balkan conflict. I think IA is great at translation of such obscure concepts:)

        • Haile S.

          Selam MoKsi,

          According to wikipedia in french, ethnic cleansing (fr: nettoyage ethnique, épuration ethnique or purification ethnique) was first coined by a Serbian intellectual Vuk Karadžić in 1860 who designated it for the ethnic segregation and mistreatment of moslems by the serbes in earlier decades during their uprising against the Turks and their control of Belgrade. He called it “etničko čišćenje”, which liberally mean ethnic cleansing in serbo-croatian language.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            “Ethnic cleansing” means the expulsion or the killing of unwanted ethnic. The difference of “Genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” is only the magnitude of the killing. The motive of the killing is the same.

            Regards

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Aman,

            I think one of the problems of freezing the political process in Eritrea is that we can’t even point to appropriate definitions of commonly understood political terms. Ethnic cleansing does not have legal definition under the IHL nor HRL. It is treated under the section pertaining to articles on Genocide. So, you are right in that sense where you say it is Genocide on a lower magnitude. Still though, it proves difficult to convey it in Tigrigna in a manner that implies the legal and immoral attributes it is meant to relate to.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Haile-TG,

            On the translation of “ethnic cleansing” and “genocide” to tigrigna language, here I came up with:

            Ethnic cleansing = ዓሌታዊ’ ጃምላ ቅትለት’

            Genocide = ዓሌት ምጽናት

            Though both concepts imply “mass killing,” the later, which is genocide, goes to the extent of extinction of an “ethnic” or “race” for that matter. So they are differentiated by the “degree or magnitude” of the killing. Ethnic cleansing doesn’t go to the extent of extinction (ምጽናት). But sure is “ጃምላዊ ቅትለት”.

            Regards

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ

            ጸዓዱ
            ክምዕብሉ ክህብትሙ
            ኣፍሪቃውያን
            ክጥፍሹ ክደኽዩ
            ክዝኽትሙ
            ናይ ግድን ‘ዩ

            ኣብ ጎረቤትና ደም ‘ናፈሰሰ
            ቆልዓ ሰበይቲ ‘ናፈለሰ
            ንብረቶምን ጥሪቶምን ‘ናበረሰ

            ኡስ ኢልና
            ‘ተሪእና
            መን ዩ ክዛረብ ምስበጸሐ ተራና
            ወረ መን ‘ዩ ክዛረብ ብኣና?

            ደም ዘይጸግቡ መለኽቲ
            —-ደም-ደም የብሎም
            —-የወናውኖም
            ተራ ሰብ ማይ ክሰቲ

            ሕጂ
            ኣይፋል! ዓገብ! ‘ተዘይልና
            ፍጡራት ኣዳም ኢና
            ክንብል ከመይ ‘ልና?
            እስከ ንገሩኒ ከመይ ‘ልና
            ከምዚ ድዮም ኔሮም ኣቦታትና?

            ብሕጊ ‘ንዳባ ዝቕየዱ
            ዝባን ሕጊ ‘ሎም ዝኸዱ
            ዝምዕዱ
            ከምዚ ድዮም ኔሮም?
            ኣይመስለንን!!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም መሃንድሳይ,

            እንታይ ክወጾ! ይበል! ኣብ ትሕዝቶ መልእኽቲ ይኹን ኣብ አሰኾኽዓ ቃላት:: Your poem is unique in style and deviant in its rhythm from the traditional poems. Very enjoyable.

            Regards

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you, Sir!
            I am learning from the best of the best @AU!

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Other languages make a distinction between expulsion (forced mass displacement) and genocide ( ethnically motivated mass murder).

            I believe that what we are currently observing in Tigray is a war-caused internal and external displacement. If Tigrayans are removed from previously occupied areas where TPLF had settled them, it is called repatriation, albeit a forced one.
            Ethic cleansing and genocide are different.

            It is said that in a war time the first to die are poor people and the truth. It seems that the latter is also dying here.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Ethnic cleansing is not only ethnic “expulsion”, it is also ethnic “killing”. In Tigray both “expulsion” and “killing” are occurring, unless you want to deny it. As matter of fact it is also happening in the Oromo region. The only difference between the two is in Tigray it is by “state actors”, and in Oromo by “non state actors”. The motive remains the same by both actors. The only thing I could agree by all commenters is: we found it difficult to find the exact interpretation in tigrina language. Otherwise the difference between the two terms is the magnitude of the killing.

            Regards

    • Haile S.

      Selam Homonym,

      If ምጽናት ዓሌት is equivalent to genocide (I agree), then ethnic cleansing should be ምንጻህ ዓሌት.

      • Abi

        መምህር
        ተንፃፃችሁ!
        Ethnic cleansing = ዘር ማፅዳት

      • Hashela

        Selam Haile

        Sometimes, I find useful to look how things are called in other languages. In German, geographic ethnic cleansing is called “Volksvertreibung” which can be translate as ምብራር.

        An alternative translation for cleansing is ሕጽቦ.

        As always, the choice of words matters.
        I believe what we are currently observing in Tigray is a war related internal and external displacement. If Tigrayans are removed from previously occupied areas where TPLF (RIH) had settled them and now they are sent back to Tigray, then it is a repatriation.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Hashela,

          Good to see you back! Interesting! It has several names in french as mentioned below (my response to HTG). The épuration means like water treatment or sewage treatment.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            what we are missing here at this forum is Eritreans who are trained in international laws and at the same time who are competent in Tigrina.

            It seems we are harvesting the fruits of a multi-decade desertification effort of our education system.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኣንቱም ሰባት
    ተባሂለ በሊዕካ ኣርናቺ
    ኣይፋል ‘ተበልኩ
    ስኢነ ሰማዒ

    ለካስ
    ኣፈይ መስኪሩሎም
    ዋላ ኣሉ ‘ተበልክ ዎም
    ተፈዲሐ! ናይ ነገር ሰራቒ
    ሓሶት-ሓሶት ጨኒዎም

    ናተይ ‘ስኳ ጥዑም ጨና
    ናይ ህግደፍ ከ ‘ንታይ ንብሎ
    ፋኛቱራ!

    እህህህም….
    ምሽ ዶ ሰብስ
    ሩባ ማይ በላ
    ህግደፍ ‘ንተጓሓናዮ
    ናብ ላሊበላ
    ዝቃወም ዶ ‘ሎ?

    ብጀካ ‘ንዳ ንሕና-ንሱ
    ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን
    ብሓንጎሉ ዝመዝን
    ያላ! መታን ክባረኽ
    ቀልጥፍ ንበሎ
    ነቲ ዝእዝን

    መርሓባ!!!

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Selamat All,

    Why people are counting on the international community, the UN or whatever they are? These organisations have done nothing when we were bombarded by the Russian cluster bomb, which was against the international war, whatever it’s called.

    Here’s an article to refresh your memory, in case if it slipped your mind. I hope no one will say it’s fake news, because ….
    Regards,
    Reclaim

    By Scott Jones
    CHICAGO TRIBUNE
    As the world looks closely at the war in the Persian Gulf, a 30-year war in the Horn of Africa is being ignored.

    At 7:15 a.m. on Nov. 29, two Ethiopian Air Force MiGs flew fast and low over the town of Afabet in the eastern lowlands of Eritrea. In an attack that lasted just eight minutes, they dropped three bombs in the center of the town. Two demolition bombs destroyed several houses and raised 200-foot towers of dust into the sky.

    The third bomb was different. A cluster bomb, it exploded before it hit the ground and scattered dozens of smaller bombs over a huge area. Each of these in turn exploded, blasting hot shards of steel horizontally into people and animals. As we hugged the ground some 200 yards away from the main explosion, fragments whistled over our heads, chipping holes in the building behind us.

    In the closing months of Africa`s longest war, Eritrean civilians have become popular targets for Ethiopian aircraft. If the aim of this attack was to terrorize and maim civilians, it succeeded. There was no Eritrean military activity in Afabet, so the only victims were townsfolk too sick to make the predawn walk to the hills where people seek shelter. The six victims we saw included an 8-year-old boy and a pregnant woman.

    In seven visits to Eritrea since 1984, I had been lucky not to experience what Eritreans call their ”daily diet” of cluster bombs and napalm. The wounded boy`s uncle tearfully asked me to publicize this bombing of innocent civilians. But he was resigned when I told him I did not expect much. He knows that while Afghanistan received international attention, Eritrea is peculiarly ignored by American, British and United Nations politicians.

    But this is a bad time to ignore the Horn of Africa. On top of the war, the worst drought in living memory has hit Eritrea and is starting to claim lives. In an extensive tour of the lowlands and behind Ethiopian lines in the southern highlands, I found conditions I had not seen even in the 1984-85 famine. Already malnutrition and undernutrition are prevalent, and next year`s harvest is not due until September. In the lowlands across Sudan and throughout Eritrea, animals are dying by the thousands. This drought is worse than six years ago because of its threefold impact: crop failures, near-total loss of grazing and near-total loss of drinking water. By comparison, in 1984 the crops failed, grazing was poor and drinking water was hard to find but available with long-distance trucking by tankers. Now, after poor rain in 1989 and virtually none in 1990, whole villages are on the move because there is no water to drink. Many wells previously considered reliable are dry. Cactus plants that survived in the 1984 drought now are shriveled and brown.

    In 1990 Eritrea experienced nearly complete crop failure, and parts of Tigray were hard hit too. The regional market for the Horn of Africa on which grain might be available was fragile in 1985 but has now collapsed. To prevent famine this year, the Eritrean Relief Association has asked for 341,000 tons of food relief, an amount it seems unlikely to get. Last year`s donations amounted to just over 50 percent of what was needed, so people are beginning this year in an already weak condition.

    The port of Massawa, now under control of the Eritrean People`s Liberation Front, was opened for food aid deliveries on Jan. 8. The 10,000 tons of food relief brought by the first UN ship were greeted by the whole town, and the crew received gifts from Eritrean children. But the Ethiopian government has agreed not to bomb only certain shipments, so as it stands right now, Massawa can service only part of the total need. Most of the food for the drought-affected areas still comes across the Sudan border via the Eritrean Relief Association`s routes from Port Sudan. This route is effective and well proven, but Ethiopian government bombing forces the relief operation to move only at night.

    The EPLF, which controls almost all of Eritrea, is considering how best to prevent such extreme food shortages next year. I visited one of the five villages in Eritrea that has enough food for this year. This was achieved by means of a one-kilometer-long canal, which collected rainwater off the hills and directed it through a series of sluice gates into fields below. To improve the supply of drinking water, EPLF scientists are working with British geologists to identify sites for wells using remote sensing. Every village in Eritrea has mobilized to build soil erosion control and water retention structures. Reforestation has a high priority. Indeed, the potential for cooperation between Eritreans and Ethiopians in this common crisis is clearly great. But bombing by government aircraft prevents people from working in daylight hours. In such a highly militarized situation, development is a difficult business.

    There is now general agreement that the war is hampering relief efforts and is a major obstacle to development. It is puzzling, therefore, that the Ethio-Eritrea war remains almost a taboo subject at the UN. The U.S. has historical responsibilities in the area in addition to current strategic interests, and is well placed to assist in a UN-mediated settlement to the war.

    Eritrea and Ethiopia have had 30 years of war. Ethiopia`s economy is in ruins. Eritrea has been devastated. The beleaguered peoples of the region are exhausted. Perhaps this drought, and the awful famine to come in a few weeks, will galvanize not only relief efforts but also political action to stop the war.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Finally the cat is out of the bag for IA

    One of the tactics IA employed, rather cunningly, in relation to the Somalia Monitoring Group, Human Rights Rapporteur, and the Commission of Inquiry is to deny investigators access to the crime scene. In effect, he was able to bog down the process mired in denials and counter narratives. With Ethiopia’s agreement to let independent investigators into the alleged areas of HR violations in Tigray, IA has no longer have control on what comes out of it. Unless he has friends in high places, this seems to be like a checkmate mounted by his old enemies at the HRC and state dept. This one is a play with all the chills to be expected from a dramatic irony:)

    • Mez

      Dear Haile TG,

      I think the finding here in Tigray will be ( at the end) at best ambivalent–remember: the military gears used and the canons fired didn’t have a uniqu tag saying “from pia with love”.

      Thanks

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Mez,

        How about the material witnesses on the ground. Testimony of the victims and ordinary citizens will, I think, not allow for ambivalence given the gathering and tallying of information will be properly done without political strings being attached. Each actor’s forces had deployed in separate operational theatres. I do not think the operations were done by hybrid contingents from the participants.

        • Mez

          Dear Ismail AA,

          Sorry about my delayed response.
          What you mentioned are the best available methods/tools to acquire data and information. And that is going to be the way forward anyhow.

          Even then, the preexisting tilted-outlook polarization in Tigray is going to have initial assumption bottlenecks–slowing down the political healing.

          Thanks

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Mez,

        The despot must read your argument to hire you as a defense lawyer, even if you look some one who has no clue what is happening on the ground.

        • Mez

          Dear Aman H:
          Well, sometimes he has to get something to laugh on.

          Thanks

      • haileTG

        Hey Mez,

        That is simple! They just bring their own canons that have a unique tag saying “from PIA with love”. Problem solved. Do you remember when Colin Powell presented the exact location of the Iraqi nukes to the UN? The fact Ethiopia agreed for investigation is enough, the rest is minor detail.

        HTG

        • Mez

          Good day HalleTG,

          1) You may further extend the historical list to “indo China, Vietnam, Korea wars,…”

          2) if you think this will be the case here–according to your logic– do you have the lust to be at the front seat to be served and to serve under such constellation .

          Thanks

    • Abi

      Hello Haile TG
      The only thing that will be exposed is the trickery of the decaying Tplf.
      The unforgivable ethnic cleansing committed by the Tigray Militia against Amharas and members the Northern Command will be exposed.
      After the independent investigation, whoever found remotely associated in these atrocities (regardless of his/her ethnicity) should be hunted and face justice all over Ethiopia.
      The Ethiopian and Eritrean governments should go after those organizations, websites and individuals, who have been instrumental in the decimation of fake news that have been circulating in the last ditch effort to revive the decaying Tplf.
      News organizations, websites and individuals should be held responsible for their actions. Accusing a government of ethnic cleansing should not be taken lightly.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Abi!

        That kind of investigation would also be nice to have. However, you need to have ownership of the investigation initiative to dictate its work and outcome. Those who finance and lead this investigation are not in the business of going around the globe to right wrongs. They would most likely say get your own investigation for that. Theirs is simple, geo-political and strategic re-set in the HoA region. To that effect, they intend to leave no stone unturned. One of those stones to be turned over is the stonehead called IA.

        HTG

        • Abi

          ኃይላችን
          I hope and pray that the investigators are free from corruption, intimidation, and allowed to perform their duties without any hindrance by governments , groups or individuals.
          No stone should remain unturned including the one on the guy’s head.

        • Haile S.

          Selam HaileTG, Abi and all,

          You said “Theirs is simple, geo-political and strategic re-set in the HoA region. To that effect, they intend to leave no stone unturned.”

          Then do you think this ‘opportunity’ for re-set is a Mana from heaven or a deliberate laisse-faire, making the ‘stone’ not juste stones, but geo-political stones.

          የሃገሩ ሰርዶ በሃገሩ በሬ
          የሃገሩ በሬ በበርሃ ኣውሬ
          የበረሃው ኣውሬ በኣዳኝ ጎፈሬ

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            ቀጽላ…
            የበረሃው ኣውሬ በኣዳኝ ጎፈሬ
            ኣዳኙ ጎፈሬ በሃገሩ ሰርዶ
            የሃገሩ ሰርዶ በሃገሩ በሬ
            የሃገሩ በሬ በቀማኞች ታርዶ
            ቀማኙ ደስ ብሎት ሲነዛልህ ውሬ…
            A vicious cycle. …

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሳልሕ፡

            😁😁 😁
            Continuing on the vicious cycle theme

            የትናንቱ ፍጥጫ ይደገማል ዛሬ
            ታጥቦ ጭቃ፡ ያደለኝ ትዳሬ
            እዛው ነኝ ተመልሼ ዞሬ
            ድሮስ እስክስታየ ያበሻው የትግሬ

            P.S.
            ቀጽላ… እንተበልካስ ‘ንፍሓያ’ ትብል ጽውጽዋይ ኣዘኪርካኒ🤣🤣

          • Saleh Johar

            የኣበሻ እስክስታ መቸ ያልቅለታል
            ደም ማፍሰስ ይለዋል እስክስታውን ትቶ
            ሰይጣኑንም መልኣኩም ጨምርበት ይላል
            ቀብር የሚቆፍር እርሻውን ትቶ
            ናባኻ …

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh

            ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱቶ
            እስቲ ኣቀብይኝ ጠመንጃው ጥይቱ ቀበቶ
            ወንድ ኣይመለስም ከቤቱ ወጥቶ
            ወንድሙ ካላረደ መሬት ዘርግቶ
            ባዕድን ካልሳመ ኣቅፎ ኣንግቶ
            ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱቶ

            Abi, Abi, Abi ሆይ! የረዳት ያለ! ሳልሕ ኣልተቻለ!

            የግዕዝ ፊደሎች ዛሬ ዘክዝኮ ኣውርዶ
            ግጥሙን ኣራዘመው እንደ ዘንዶ

            ደግሞ እንደ ፈረንጅ ይመታዋል
            እልፍ እልፍ እያለ ያንዣብበዋል

            እንደርሱ ለመግጠም ብሞክር
            ጥርሴ ብቻ ሳይሆን ድዴ ሰብሬ ነበር

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ትርፍ ጥርስ የሌላቸው ምዕመናን ጥጋቸውን ይዘዋል:)

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            የአስመሪክስ ልጆች አልተቻሉም ዘንድሮ

            እቺ መሆን አለባት የሐይለ ስላሴ ትምሮ

            Wow, very impressing to all you!
            ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱታ ቱቶ…
            I love it!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Reclaimix Abyssinix,

            I am not sure if you did it on purpose calling us Asmarix, but is very funny and some how fitting.

            Asterix and Obelix are the famous Gallic cartoon characters who fight and resist the Roman invaders surrounding their Gallic village. Although our issue is internal with Afewekus Maximus Eritreaus, the fighting and resisting fits. Now we got our heros Gadix Joharix, Salix Younix, Hailix TGix, Manuelix Hidratix (nostalgic😁 of Hayatix Admix with Paulix) and Ismailix AAix for the next Negarit episode. Hopefully!

            Galix Joharix please consider it. I heard Semerius Tesfaius who is feeling lonely was calling upon Fishus Dongolus Milkus, Mahmudus Salheus, Nitriccus Multiplicus, Sultanus Hopus Pocus and Sarina Uniquena for help.

            P.S. I hope you guys are taking my escapades to catoonland as a moment of relaxation. We need to laugh sometimes amid the heavy clouds of uncertainly our country and region is getting placed. The picture that HaileTG painted in his exchanges with Semere are frightening. We all hope, they remain as pictures only. But he is saying it with the utmost seriousness possible. Despite my jokes, I also encourage Saleh Younis to push his idea with energy and intelligence he is endowed with. Able Eritreans are out there. An alternative should be ready. Eritrean eggs should not be left in IA basket only.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Haileix
            Asmerix or Asmerex (አስመሬክስ) was the nickname for Asmera boys in Addis while I was growing up. Asmerex were very protective of their girls at a house party in Addis back in the day.
            You did bring back a lot of forgotten memory. It was hard to get the Astrix comic book, but The adventure of Tintin was widely available both in comic books or VHS. I recommend this for the weekend watching “Asterix In Britain (1986) HD, 16:9” available on youtube.

            @saay7 The only thing I remember about Oromay was, who ever read falls in love with the imaginary girl ፊያሜታ ጊላይ .

            Cheers,
            Reclaimix

          • Saleh Johar

            Reclaim Abyssinia,
            ስድብ ምንኣስፈለገ ኣዝማሪኖ ብሎ
            እንዳይለምድብህ ጏንደርሬ እንዳትለኝ
            ከረኒኖ ነኝ እኔ ኣስተክክላት ቶሎ
            እትባትየን እዳልከዳ ኣታስለማምደኝ
            ባለሁበት ልቆይ ሌላም እንደዛ
            ፍቅሩ እንዲሳሳ ናፍቆም ሲከብደኝ:::
            ኣሁንማ በቃኝ ቃሉ ሳይቀር ከዳኝኦ
            ምን ነው ማስፈራራት ቱታ ቱታ ብሎ
            ቲታ ቲታስ ምን በድሎ:-)

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            Mn Ayna leka haza? 🙂

            Here are some relevant lyrics from the great GiGi:

            ዘመን አመጣሽ የዘር በሽታ
            መድሀኒት አለው የማታ ማታ
            ሀገር በወገን እንዴት ይረታ
            ፍቅር በነገር እንዴት ይፈታ
            ዘር ሳይለያየን ወይ ሐይማኖት
            ከጥንት በፍቅር የኖርንባት
            እናት ኢትዮጵያ ውዲት ውዲቷ
            በጎጆ አያልቅም ሙሽርነቷ

            I keep thinking of the lyrics as I watch all the horrendous videos of Ethiopians killing one another in the most barbaric way.

            Even more reason for GOVERNMENT IN EXILE NOW.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            It’s a secret. but I will disclose it to you. Find two great books: 1) Lemma Begebeya, and 2) Lemma ke MaHammed Gara… I wish there were copies of Qilu Mammu. I heard Abi bought all the copies of the book he can find for his private: “The Great Ethiopian Qilu Mammu Library.”

          • saay7

            Haha SJ

            It’s Lemana Mohammed.

            I graduated all the way to Fiqr eske meqaber (the bootlegged copy)… and Oromay (Ethiopians answer to Things Fall Apart.). You reminded me of a time when there was we real excitement at cracking a book open, and inhaling that fresh new book smell. Not like now: now it is a digital reading an assignment one gives one self for mind tuneup.

            saay

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Good one! You are not far from the truth.
            ለማ በገበያ
            ለማና ዘመዶቹ
            ለማ በትምህርት ቤት
            I’m willing to donate some or all of these great books to Awate university, Institute of Ethiopian Studies.
            COMING SOON!!
            ለማ በገበያ!
            Negarit 125.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,
            ካዱኝ እኮ!

            የኤርትራው እና የኢትዮጵያው የጥናት ቅንጭላት
            IES እና IES ተደምረዋል በኣህጽሮተ ቃላት
            መላ ቅጡ የጠፋው የ ITS ራስ እና ላት

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            አሁን ማን ይሙት የ ITS ሳይወለድ እንደሞተ ለእርሶ ተሰውሮት ነው?
            ሽሉ መጨንገፉን አልሰሙም እንዴ?
            ጉድ እኮ ነው!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ሳምንታት ይሆነዋል TMH ተጋብዘው ታላቁ የትግራይ ምሁሩ
            ኣየሁ የ Manuel Barradas ካርታ ዘራጋግተው ሲመረምሩ
            በጽሑፍ ያስቀመጠው ሳያነሱ ያለውን በትክክል ሳያኖሩ

            ራያና ወልቃይት ጠጋዴ …. ወደ ትግራይ ሲጎትቱ
            ባሕር ነጋሽ እና ትግራይ በወንዝ መለያየቱ ሲስቱ

            እንዳይሆን ብየ ነበር ኣስበው ITS ሊመሠርቱ
            ሕመሙ ኣይደል እንዴ ለሕልም ፍለጋ-መሰረቱ

          • Abi

            ሊቀመካስ
            “ህልምሽም ቅዠት ነው” አለ ቴዲ ነፍሴ!
            አንተ ግን ሰዎች በግልም ሆነ በማህበር ተደራጅተው እንዳይቃዡ የምትከላከለው ለምንድን ነው?
            አርፈህ የቅዠት ድራማ አትመለከትም? ሽሉ እንደው ጨንግፏል:: ረጅም እድሜና የተሟላ ጤና ለንጉሥ አብይና ለታላቁ መሪ ወዲ አፎም እየተመኘን ITS ን ግብአተመሬት ከፈፀምን ሰነባብተናል::

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            How’s that for a memory Dear Saleh,
            One for Kerenx.

            ቅርብ ለቅርብ ነው ከአፋበት ከረን
            ሲጫወቱ ውሎ ከመሸም ለማደር

            ከናክፋ አፋበት ገባው ወደ ከረን
            ለመቀማመስ ቆንጆዋን በመንደር
            ማንጎ ዓካት በለስ ያዳብራል አእምሮ
            ኮፌለኩም ብላ አሻረችኝ ትምሮ
            የከረኔክስ ልጆች አልተቻሉም ዘንድሮ

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • saay7

            Haile S:

            I dare ya, I double dare ya to tell the ንፍሓያ story 😀 no please don’t: the moderators will have a fit.

            You two go on with your crowd-sourced poetry. And maybe Kokob will join in. And find a way to sneak in Solomon Tekalgns’.

            “አንችም ዜሮ ዜሮ:
            እኔም ዜሮ ዜሮ
            ሁላችንም ዜሮ ዜሮ…

            መቀነስ መቀነስ
            መቀነስ ተምረሽ
            እንቺ ሰው ኣባስጠሽ
            ኣታውቂም ደምረሽ…

            The controversial artist wrote this long before Abiy stumbled his way into meddemer (synergy) an idea that, in retrospect, he was very cynical about or didn’t know its meaning.

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sal,

            You are pushing me to tell it😁. Lets keep it for another day when Paul comes back.

            አረግ አረግ አረግ እንዴት ነው ነገሩ
            ሳልሕ እና ሳልሕ፡ የነሱ ምስጢሩ
            በኣቢ እና ኣብይ ምላስ እየተናገሩ
            ምን ኣስቀሩብኝ ዛሬ እየተባበሩ

            ኣቢ! ኣቢ! ብየ ብጮህ ለእርዳታ
            ኣቢ፡ እንደ ኣብይ ለኤሱ፡ ሮጦ እንዲመጣ

            ቀኑ መሸ ማዶ ሆኖ ሲንቈራጣ
            ጥርሱ መውለቅ ነገረኝ ከዋሻው ሳይወጣ
            እኔ ሆኜ ቀረሁኝ ረዳት-ቢስ የሳልሖች መንታ

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam haileTH

          ” Theirs [Western agenda] is simple, geo-political and strategic re-set in the HoA region. To that effect, they intend to leave no stone unturned. One of those stones to be turned over is the stonehead called IA.”

          Well, to accomplish the “geo-political and strategic re-set in the HoA region” to the liking of the West, if the only “stonehead to be turned over is IA” then under Western pressure, Ethiopia has to agree to flip and cooperate – to sit on the witness stand next to the judge as the star witness against PIA. Interesting!!!

          The world will be watching how it unfolds. will see.

          Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Selamat Semere,

            What other choice does PMAA has under these circumstances? If the investigation sought for and agreed to by Ethiopia was an internal one then he would have some wiggling room. However, the investigation is going to be an international one – independent and impartial. Since we know the case against IA has already been announced by AI and HRC, what will follow is legitimizing it via the investigation vehicle (yep – the cart is designed to run before the horse:). It would be a political suicide for any leader let alone PMAA to refuse to act on the side of his own nationals. Imagine PMAA standing with IA when the issue is that Tigrayan civilians have been “massacred” (as the choice of wording in use seems to be)?? No leader would survive that kind of misstep. If for no other reason, even for sheer political optics. Ethiopia has already cleared the decks by stating that the Eritrean army was not invited. That is a far cry from ye qurT qen zemedoch, wouldn’t you say?

            HTG

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTG

            “What other choice does PMAA has under these circumstances? If the investigation sought for and agreed to by Ethiopia was an internal one then he would have some wiggling room. However, the investigation is going to be an international one – independent and impartial.”

            Haile: life is not that simple. As always you’re counting your chicken before they hatch so to speak. I’ve herd the same hyped-up rhetoric from you, Saay, and your colleagues and friends from the Digital Woyane during the Meles years. Nothing new here.

            But for the sake of argument, let’s just say (a) Abiy threw Isaias under the bus, (b) the treasonous opposition are put at the helm under direct protection of Ethiopia with Western support. Well, then the next day, both Eritreans and Tigreans (Woyanes) will reconcile their differences and fight their common enemy tooth and nail. And Eritrea and Northern Ethiopia will be in flames. Isn’t that obvious? Is that the rational thing Abiy ought to do?

            Make no mistake: there is no way on earth, accomplishing regime change in Eritrea – a regime change that satisfies Saay, Amanuel H, Saleh Johar, Ismail AA and the rest of the Eritrean opposition – short of complete occupation, complete disarming, and complete overhaul of the current Eritrean government and Eritrean governmental infrastructures. And the Whiteman is not going to die for you to accomplish that job. You are. And I don’t believe that is the ultimate objective here.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Selamat Semere,

            It is understandable that the only fall back argument you’re left with is ያዛጋል እንጂ ኣይበላኝም! But, let alone for an astute sectarian such as your esteemed self, it could not be lost to anyone that civil war is high on the cards for post IA Eritrea. There is no active political process in Eritrea that could contain the eventual transition and the fall out there after. Why would that be any problem for the international actors? Eritrea is no better than the other places where regime change was served to. None of those places have come out of it yet. In fact, they are now very lucrative hot spots of international humanitarian agencies. Yet, we only have ourselves to blame for it and nothing will shield us from the impeding reconfiguration of the HoA region.

            Turning our attention to Ethiopia, it is obvious that the war in Tigray has morphed into a protracted conflict of attrition. So, what are the possible outcomes?

            a) The Ethiopian government will completely wipeout the TPLF

            b) The TPLF would manage to regroup and defeat the Ethiopian government and regain control of the country

            c) Some type of negotiated settlement will be reached

            Now, (a) is very much unlikely. The conflict nearing its half-year mark in a month is nowhere near conclusion. Such a goal lacks international consensus. It is also not feasible project for Ethiopia that is re-negotiating its debt under the conditions that demand them to include the private sector borrowing into the national debt portfolio. This means that if the private sector defaults, then the nation is considered in default. War and private sector don’t go along very well. So, protracted conflict will not happen.

            (b) is next to impossible. TPLF doesn’t have the political, economic and social wherewithal to regain exclusive power in Ethiopia.

            (c) is the most likely scenario. It has international consensus, it looks good on PMAA and the only practical endgame strategy unless he wants to remain as war Prime Minster indefinitely.

            It is obvious that Ethiopia is a regional linchpin for the international interest in the HoA. The outcome of (c) can only be complicated by the existence of IA in the background. Hence, his elimination and getting Eritrea busy with problems of her own making is critical (not only useful but necessary). IA is a party to somebody else’ problem, and a bad party at that. Any problem he creates would only serve to give headache to all concerned. He has no practical use going forward. The west doesn’t need him, PMAA doesn’t need him now that TPLF is toppled and TPLF doesn’t need him as they need to strengthen their hand. In addition, the people of Tigray don’t need him, nor do the people of Eritrea.

            When a regime comes up with something so desperate as using Eritrean refugees as legal shield to evade accountability, poetic justice, you can tell they are tightly cornered.

            Who and for what purpose would venture to save IA?? Potential civil war is Eritrea’s own problem that it needs to figure out how to deal with. Sectarian, cultish, ethnic politics will not help, but no reason for others to spare you. When you dance because civil war is ignited in your neighbor’s house, don’t expect no one to wish the same back.

            HTG

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTH

            What does ያዛጋል እንጂ ኣይበላኝም mean? Sorry my Amharic is not that good; and I really mean it.

            Now, stop ሃጠው-ቐጠው ዘረባ and be articulate- if you want me to engage you.

            In you opinion ነታ ‘ንጭዋ መን’ዩ ኣብ ክሳዳ ቃጭል ክእስረላ?
            Who is going to restraint Isaias Afewerqi and put him in handcuffs? Who is going to walk you (the vocal opposition) to Asmara to govern? How?
            Who is going to defang the Isaias army?

            I need specifics otherwise let’s stop it there.

            N.B. I really miss Mahmud Saleh, sara, Hope, Nitricc……….. I realy do!!!

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Hey Semere,

            Meaning: yembahuq ember AybelAn’n eyu!

            Well, I see the topic is getting exhausted. Just as a closing however, the bell on the cat is a no brainer, unless something else changes the trajectory and IA is let off the hook. Just to satisfy your specifics challenge:

            Exactly 10 years ago, small armed men opened fire on a regime troops on Feb. 27. The West announced it as a Civil War breaking out. By March 21, in the following month, the NATO decided to intervene on the side of the rebels. The leader was handed an arrest warrant by the ICC in the following month. By June, the rebels entered the capital. Soon after, the leader was murdered in public view. The country is still in civil war and chaos.

            Trust me, it is a well rehearsed application.

            Exactly, 20 years prior to that, a similar undertaking also overthrew another one – this time without overt NATO intervention of course, yet in a similar 1,2,3 … steps.

            No need to mention the countries, the only specifics you need is that it is very easily doable.

            Let’s leave it to time…

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            “ነታ ‘ንጭዋ መን’ዩ ኣብ ክሳዳ ቃጭል ዝኣስረላ?”, you asked (twice). Who else would be in a suitable position than the, by and large, Kebessa elites like yourself who have been empowering the despot for so long (in fact since the days of Eritreans For Liberation) to discharge that duty as token of patriotic call call? Such a move would be historic and contribute to smooth transition from dictatorship to democratic rule, besides the problems change can bring to correct the existing abnormally unbalanced status quo of the nation.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሰመረ
            ነታ ‘ንጭዋ መን’ዩ ኣብ ክሳዳ ቃጭል ዝኣስረላ? Assuming you meant to say ድሙ?
            Baby step brother…
            1. The ድሙ is already known-ኣርሓ ዓዲ ሃሎ
            2. The ኣናጹ are trying to be united-which is the current process
            3. The design ቃጭል is not done yet-TBD
            4. The ‘ንጭዋ ኣብ ክሳድ ድሙ ትኣስር has not selected yet-TBD

            ከም ዝመስለኒ: ተሃዊኽካ ኣለኻ ነታ ቃጭል ክትእሰር።
            Full disclosure: ኣነ ‘ውን ተሃዊኸ ኣለኹ።

          • Semere Tesfai

            SElam Mehands

            Typo; I corrected it. Thanks

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Once the international investigators are allowed, which is an inevitable scenario, both leaders will betray each other and each one will go it’s own way to defend their actions. Look, already Abiy, as if they had no mutual agreement to run the war together against TPLF, after months of denial, he started to admit that the Eritrean army are in Tigray without his knowledge. I don’t think they will defend their act together. We shall see.

    • Dongolo

      Selam haileTG. Hardly news as this was known 3 days ago. Maybe such an investigation may also shed light on the Hitsats Eritrean Refugee Camp massacre, allegedly committed the TPLF, for which your group remains silent on.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Dongolo,

        I read something similar to what you’re saying on Amb. Russom’s (Kenya) tweeter feed. Clearly, the reason kubur Ambassador felt compelled to call for justice for Eritreans that his regime caused to live in makeshift camps dehumanized and exposed to every danger imaginable, and his regime’s unwillingness to invite them back to their normal lives in Eritrea speaks volumes to his hypocrisy. Fair and Impartial judgement would have him locked up for the rest of his life for such travesty against the Eritrean people who deserve human rights more than anybody else. The mind numbing tragedies of Eritreans throughout the last decades stretch across the deserts and seas involving gruesome scenes hard to imagine. Who would imagine a dead mother still joined to her dead baby by her umbilical cord at the bottom of the Mediterranean sea?? From such tragedies and many more, Eritreans are painfully aware of what fair and impartial means. What ever it means, it definitely is not to lend the exploits of their tragedy as an emotional plea to give cover their very tormentor!! How twisted that would be.

        HTG

        • Dongolo

          Selam haileTG. Your groups’ complete failure to report on TPLF crimes and atrocities committed over the past 20+ years (many involving Eritreans) is a completely separate issue from Ambassador Russom’s tweets or the deplorable Eritrean refugee situation. Even if you believe Eritrean Defense Forces committed crimes in Axum, does this mean that you turn deaf & mute in regards to possible crimes committed by the TPLF at Hitsats Eritrean refugee camp? And you talk of hypocrisy?

          • haileTG

            Hey Dongolo,

            Suppose you’re on your way to the garage to have new tires for your car. On your way there, you find that you rolled over a nail and now your old tire is low. Would you fix the tire first and then change new tire or you would just change to new tire and that would also solve the nail problem? I agree with yours and the Ambassador’s concern for the well being of the refugees he chased away. But, going after the bigger problem would also solve the smaller one.

            HTG

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Why are talking about priorities and root cause?
            It’s passé!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dongolo,

        Of course who ever are the perpetrators will find out, once the investigators are allowed to do their jobs without hindrance. Crimes against humanity to any social group or citizens of any country will be the prime focus of the investigations.

        Regards

        • Dongolo

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Thanks for your reply. A quick one: Why have you not before raised concern with reported crimes committed against Eritrean refugees at Hitsats refugee camp? Moreover why nobody here wishes to mention that the TPLF were forcibly preventing Eritrean refugees from leaving refugee camps in Tigray after PMAA came to power, or that they were later using refugees as human shields?

    • Saleh Johar

      Haile TH
      Good point. The trick turned back to the trickster.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Many are scratching their heads, laughing and thinking ‘who is going to trust you’? Many of the same names and faces, including those 40+ years in the diaspora, that have been part of umpteen previous efforts (before with the assistance of the TPLF) are now totally desperate and with the demise of the TPLF, are trying once again to repackage and sell an idea that never worked before, largely because they could not even trust themselves.

    ADDIS ABABA, Feb 4, 2008 (Reuters) – ‘Eritrean opposition groups trying to bring down President Isaias Afwerki plan to set up a government in exile for the Red Sea state, an opposition leader said on Monday from the Ethiopian capital.’

    ‘A coalition of 13 groups will meet in Ethiopia in March to elect a leader, cabinet and parliament, said Adehanom Gebremariam, chairman of the Eritrean Peoples’ Movement.’

    ‘In December, Eritrea opposition groups met in the historic city of Axum in northern Ethiopia to call for Isaias’ overthrow. Eritrea says it has no opposition’.

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Dear Awate community,

    I hope you all having a nice weekend,

    This weekend I spent most of my afternoon and late-night with my big community friends chewing Chat/Khat after a big lunch. We often do this on weekends but lately, we have been gathering in large number in unusual ways. People come there to discuss the situation as therapy. The heated and intense group discussion shows that the frustration and the unmet expectation need of each of my fellow countrymen desires of situations back home. You know what’s like…

    The discussion of the current situation of our region with friends from an almost major ethnic group of Ethiopian and Eritrean is at its highest peak within my circle. Everyone intended to side with their wishes, dream & ‘out-of-context’ analysis rather than with reality on the ground, and I like to think that i’m always right.

    The vibe of the people seems to associate themselves in a dream-world of their kinds either by ethnicity, language or religion as a priority to be the ruling or governing body of the region.

    To my surprise, I found that the Amici’s who used to be fully involved in Ethiopian affair only and showed little interest in Eritrea matters are now patriotic of Eritrea, thump up to them. They attempt to use the 1998 cancellation of their or their family citizenship by TPLF as justification to support the current regime unconditionally regardless of the welfare of the Eritrean people in Eritrea. I believe that the people of Eritrea are now under siege to facilitate the war on TPLF.

    I am very disappointed in many Eritreans that who cheer up the current disaster as a victory that worth waiting for regardless of the cost of the livelihood of our people. It is frustrating to see people are not being receptive mindset. Eritrean people have been in lockdown with uncertainty, there is no even transport from Asmara to Keren, there is poverty, no education, and In Asmara people go out only at night for few minutes/hour when the police go back to camp. I can only imagine what will be the situation from Nakfa to Kerora (the forgotten land).

    I feel the Eritrean people pain; my mind runs a million nautical mile per second whenever I think of the memory of the Eritrean people that I spent time with for a few years (I’m sure many of you feels the same).

    I am disappointed to see the Eritrean diaspora become uncaring towards the people that they left behind(besides their members of the family) and support for the suffering of the others to continue.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I am confused about Eritrean, and I want to ask a couple of question with all due respect, was Eritrea better-off under Haile Selassie, especially for the elite, the business people & the Christian, almost regardless of how one measures the value of life, the value of the country, the value of wellbeing?

    Will the proposed government in exile; I will call it ‘Interim government in exile’ will it be comprised of with Tigrigna people majority? I ask this rude question since the Tigrigna people are considered to be the government of Eritrea since it’s finding.

    In another matter, I had a conversation with an older lady of our community who used to live in a border town about the current situation, and I want to share something she said that amazes me ..

    ንምንታይ ኢዪ ተጋሩ ክቀትሉና ዝደልዩ?
    ንሕና እንቋዕ ረሲዕናዮ ኔርና
    ወዲ አፌ ግን አይረሰዖን

    Cheers,
    Reclaim

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Abyssinia,

      I write to you the following with the utmost respect!

      From reading your comments I gather that you are an Ethiopian. That’s besides wondering what were you smoking given the outrageous comments you’ve made about Addis Ababa and its environs or some such; 😉😉😉!

      History had left us in doubt that Eritrea was federated, at best, by a sleigh of hand and later was annexed, at least, by deception. The only sure thing was the coercion that followed by force! To which some Ethiopians now see their mistakes although many were sold to the idea of greatness by the then retarded leaders. In that regard many had paid dearly on both sides of the opposing forces; successfully and alternatively. For a better or worse Eritrea is now a separate entity unto itself, regardless of its state. The tug-of-war between the triumvirate (i.e. the Tigrigna Elites, the PFDJ and the gov’t in exile) for its entirety or for parts of it is of no consequence to the rest of the world but to themselves. As a non-Eritrean one should wish them well and let the past be bygone! I hope you heed my advice.

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Dear Donc,
        Thank you for taking the time to satisfy my queries mind and your politely crafted response. I somehow think you didn’t answer my question, rather it’s been addressed with the same old song.
        I believe I have permission to write freely in the Awate world, with nothing to be taken as an offence to anyone, just take it for the sake of dicussion.

        Yes, we were annexed by force and yes, Eritrea is an independent state, and we have fought the ugliest war to get independent at the highest cost possible to individuals, to families, to children, to elderly, to young and old, to ገባር and freedom fighters, as a whole to the country.

        In case you haven’t noticed I would like to reiterate things in the context of a new mindset, which is:- The life of the people matters more than a land. Thanks to @amanuel_hidrat:disqus for giving me the heed to stick with my slogan.

        It now has been 30 years, more than a quarter of a century. We all are the affected citizens of the country. How bad you feel the effect is all related to the value of life and family you have/had before or during the effect.
        We as one of the biggest family in Eritrea, we miss Eritrea so much, we miss our members of the family dearly, and we can not endure the pain anymore.

        The new generation of our extended family continuously looks up to us for a solution in their life, including the ongoing financial support across the globe. You chose to comment on the “outrageous comment about Addis and its Enviro” 🙂 but unfortunately, you didn’t see the up to date information I provided you about the lack of transportation to Keren, which is crucial as I felt very sad to hear from my family in a recent communication.
        Eritrea issues are hanging around like a bad smell, and it feels like a never-ending predicament.
        So back to my blunt and confrontational question,
        which ethnic group is going to be liable for the suffering of our families? Since that ethnic group has not done a great job of looking after the families and not being inclusive of us when they had the opportunity, should we allow them to continue to govern us regardless of their enlightenment?
        How about the new proposed ‘Interim government in exile’ are they gone be comprised of that same ethnic group of people who supported the current regime because they feel a sense of belonging either by religion or ethnicity?
        Cheers,
        Reclaim

  • haileTG

    Selamat Semere and Ismail AA,

    I found your exchanges interesting and thought to bring it up here in case it provokes further scrutiny:

    Semere

    “In any given Nation, legitimacy of an opposition to govern comes through one and only one way: through the ballot box; through the majority vote of the registered voters; through the consent of the governed – not through foreign interest groups and exiled elite.”

    Ismail AA

    “ሰማይ ዝሃገርካ ኢሳያስ ነዚ ክሳብ ዘፍቅደልኩም ተጸበዩ ዲካ ትብል ዘለካ. You are arguing as though there is a legitimate government mandated by the people through the ballot box in accordance with laws duly enshrined in a constitution.”

    Somehow, both the above points of view are valid. The problem is however, they are opposed to each other and seemingly impossible to bridge. Disruption is the mother of creativity. What I mean by disruption is to break with firm assumptions, to counter intuit, to question the status quo, critical thinking to remove blockages and many things along those lines.

    I think that Saay’s proposal has captured the essence of such disruptive approach to break the deadlock as exemplified by the above panelists’ positions. Semere is right in a sense that it is how we all wish power should be attained and transferred in order to promote democratic values in nation building. Ismail is also right in a sense that what we find in the Eritrean case is exactly as he describes. The problem Saay has dealt with is a problem of optimization – in this case a minimal optimum that that would cater to both sides of the deadlocked movement for transition. Minimal because saay’s attempt, I suspect, is to ensure both sides are satisfied to a minimum workable extent.

    Therefore, Saay put together the legitimacy roadmap in order to satisfy the view as articulated by Semere T. At the same time, he bypassed PFDJ’s refusal by allowing a condition that allows to move along the process in exile, hence satisfying Ismail’s view. Semere gets the legitimate transfer and Ismail gets the transition against PFDJ’s refusal. What saay has proposed is indeed sufficiently disruptive to break the stalemate. However, no solution is perfect, hence my critique of his proposal to fine tune it further.

    What do you say…

    HTG

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile TG,

      I agree with your understanding about the departure threshold of saay. I have already indicated the same point in my first rejoinder to his proposal. Since I am a long timer in one the two experience camps he had cited (ELF), and objectively assess the current directionless and chaotic state of the change seeker landscape, it is simply prudent for someone like saay to put some initiative on the table. The rationale of the proposal rests in the very fact that its author could summon courage to publish it.

      I think slowly saay is getting result. We can witness three opinions: supporters, sceptics and antagonists – each from own perspective and vested interest. So, I read Semere’s shrewd views as window dressing to shield the current despotic order. It’s stating the right thing meant to safeguard the evil as the Arabs say.

      Furthermore, the debate on the legitimacy issue is as old as the existence of our polity, counting from the date the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 390 A. The source of legitimacy was split in two: the Imperial crown as embodiment of sovereignty and the autonomy as framework of setting up tools and institutions for the governance legitimacy that was to organize the live of the inhabitants of Eritrea. While the former betrayed the trust and turned to an occupier, the latter’s process was interrupted by the aggression of the former. That is to say, the journey to consummate evolvement of laws and institutions in accordance of the constitution (1952) had stopped. So, the issue of legitimacy is going to take a lot of debating.

      What saay’s proposal is putting forward is how to get a reference that legitimize the collect trust of the people and support liberating the country from the current dictatorship.

      • haileTG

        Hey Ismail,

        I agree that the issue of “legitimacy” proper would indeed play a major role in the future political trajectory of post dictatorship Eritrea. However, as to saay’s proposal, this may be well outside of the scope of his intention. His proposal seems to me sharply focused on ensuring continuity of political independence from outside forces in an event of catastrophic fallout due to the gathering momentum in the region. Your input has actually made me wonder if “legitimacy” is then a right conceptual framework for saay’s proposal. I guess saay will flesh out these and other issues in the soon to be released article:)

        HTG

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Haile TG and Aman,

          It’s pleasure when, in this forum, serious exchange views on issues of common concern take place. Needless to state, looked from any angel, the cause of Eritreans to end for their struggles and wars by liberating themselves, and live normal life like other peoples and progress in peace has been facing uncertain future.
          Even the regime loyalist like Semere who want perpetuation of the distribution of power, resources and opportunities under the dictatorship could taken unawares of what the current developments may have in store.

          The aging despot at the helm of their still evolving nation-state (as I indicate earlier) seem to have come full circle; he has actually exhausted all options of satiating his ego of control, and seem to be running of options. The eventuality is real that he may resort to hitherto unthinkable adventure of gambling with what the Eritrean people had achieved by blood and sweat is not farfetched.

          I think this at the core of saay’s initiative and proposal. It’s, thus, this idea of government in exile in the backdrop of the exigencies that menace Eritrea that rationalize focused discussion, which I hope will continue; and to which Saleh’s anticipated follow up article may add space and momentum that might entice resourceful Eritreans from all side (the three groups I mentioned yesterday) to contribute.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Haile-TG,

      We Eritreans are not ready to take the high road (the tough road) because there is no easy road to remove a despot – who dictate those who may live and and those must die – the exercise of necropower and necropolitics in play on the Eritrean people.

      If I am not wrong, you are trying to reconcile the irreconcilable positions of Semere and Ismailo.

      Semere’s statement:

      “ “In any given Nation, legitimacy of an opposition to govern comes through one and only one way: through the ballot box; through the majority vote of the registered voters; through the consent of the governed – not through foreign interest groups and exiled elite.”

      First the current regime has no legitimacy from the people through the “ballot box” if the ballot box is the measurement of legitimacy unless Semere Tesfay faring two measurements one for the regime and one for the opposition. His statement is simply for the sake of stating it. He knows the regime itself does not want its legitimacy to come through ballot box. So talking about ballot boxes with the current regime is unrealistic. Semere’s statement is simply an empty rhetorics.

      Ismailo’s Statement:

      “ “ሰማይ ዝሃገርካ ኢሳያስ ነዚ ክሳብ ዘፍቅደልኩም ተጸበዩ ዲካ ትብል ዘለካ. You are arguing as though there is a legitimate government mandated by the people through the ballot box in accordance with laws duly enshrined in a constitution.”

      Ismailo’s argument is straight forward. According my take: he is saying there is no expectation of legitimacy by ballot box as long as the current regime is in power. Because when the despot was asked as to when the election will be conducted in Eritrea, he retorted “what election” to dismiss the idea of election.

      Semere himself does not believe on legitimacy by ballot box nor does he fight to happen either. He had never criticized the regime in any of its policies, rather he is known as staunch defender of the regime. So, I think to debate with undebatable regime that does not demand legitimacy from the people is irrelevant issue of our time.

      Regards

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Aman!

        As you know, I go a long way back with Semere (some very heated occasions included:). In this particular thread, I am attempting to test saay’s proposal by extending it to the furthest political corners. If I read it right, Semere is – at least here and now – mentioning ballot boxes. Saay based off his proposal from the 1997 process that paved the path for elections following the ratification of the constitution. At least, if Semere is true to the points he made, he should not be far from signing up for the GIE’s program.

        I know your take on this issue from your brief comments earlier under this article.

        Semere wants “true children” of Eritrea who paid God knows what else – since all Eritrean have paid in some form. Still, saay has identified six individuals who may fit his bill (though I doubt it).

        Making long story short, I think understand what you mean.

        HTG

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; The other day i posted my opinion regarding regarding the government in exile and the awate-team took offense on my opinion. More so, they thought i was traslating my take from Tigrigna that was posted somewhere. First, i never thought i was capable of doing such thing, nevertheless i was accused of that. I tried to defend myself but i was told just to shut up. One of the many major problem i have with the Government of Eritrea is just that, they accuse you and throw you in jail but never give you a day in court to defend your self and that is not only unfair but flat-out crime against humanity. I understand, government’s are known of accusations and jailing citizens but one must have the right to defend themselves.
    Now, the reason prompted me to post my opinion was after i received a video clip from a friend and watch the content, i conclude to the opinion i shared. here it is and you will be the judge. This man named Siyum Tesfay, a US citizen and listen what he has to say.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3PeWe08Z7g

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awate people and HaileTG

    HaileTG asking Semere Tesfai “ኣይትኾውንንያ’ስ እንታይ ማለትዩ?” gave me an idea: ዋዛ ምስ ቁምነገር

    Isu & Debrix in Rain man

    ደብሪጭን ኢሱን ኢድ ንኢድ ተተሓሒዞም እንዳሰጎሙ ይዛተዩ
    —– ኣይትኸውንንያ
    —– ኣይትብላዕንያ
    መን
    —– እታ ስልጣንያ
    ናይ መን
    —– ናይ የማነ ባርያ
    ‘ታይ ኢልካ
    —– ናይ ወልደ-ኣነንያ
    ኣይትላገጽ
    —– ሕራይ ናይ ኣቢ’ያ
    ኣቢ መን
    —– ሰብኣይ ኢትዮጵያ
    ኣነ ኸ! ተምጽኦ’ለካ
    —– ንስኻ ዶ’ይኮንካን ናይ ኤለትርያ

    ሕራይ፥ እንታይ ኰይናትካ
    —– ኣለዋ መጻወድያ
    ከመይ ፈሊጥካ
    —– ኣለኒ መርኣያ
    ኣነ ኸ ዕዉር!
    —– መሺሉኒ ዘለኻያ
    ንመን
    —– ነታ መሕለኽለኽያ
    ኣነ’ሲ ሓላኺ! ናትካ ኣይትሃበኒ
    —– ማለትካ ድዩ ስርሒት ድቡስ ውኻርያ
    እሂናይ ድ’ኣ!
    ሰላም ሰኽቲትኩማ ኣብ መጋርያ

    ሕጂ እንታይ ትደሊ
    —– ከም ቀደምና ስልጣን ምስ መሃያ
    —– ኣቢ’ውን ክመልሳ ዝተዋህበቶ መዳልያ
    ዝፈረምናዮ ክድምሰስ!
    እምበኣር ኣይትኸውንን’ሲ ኣይትኸውንንያ

    • Aron

      Hello MM,
      I love your poems / limericks as they are informative they also are a challenge. You use a lot of words that I have to look up. My vocabulary is richer because of you. Keep them coming.Aron

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሃገር ከነድሕና
    መሰጋገሪ መንግስቲ ኤረትራ

    ኣብ ወጻኢ
    ንትከል ይብል ኣሎ ኣኽዓየ ሳልሕ
    ማሕረ!
    ኣንታ! ክንደይ ከ ይጎርሕ?
    ይበልሕ

    ኣነ ‘ንታይ ፈሊጠ
    ክኾኖልኩም ‘የ ጽርግያ
    ‘ታ ስልጣን ግን ኣርሕቕዋ ካባይ
    ቢያ

    ይብል ኣሎ
    ዋእ
    በሊሕ ‘ዩ ‘ዶ ‘በልካናን?
    እወ!

    ክንዲ ዝበለሐ
    ስልጣን ከይተመራቐሐ

    መታን ሃገር ዳግማይ ክንርከባ
    ክትከል ሕጊ-ንዳባ
    ከንጽፈልኩም ‘የ ይብል ኣሎ ዓለባ
    መታን ክሰፍን ራህዋ
    ካብ ቃሩራ ናብ ኣምበሰተ-ገላባ
    አለ
    ደለ ደኣ
    ሕራይ

    ‘ንታይ መኽሰቡ ብናጻ ክሰርሕይ ዝብል?
    ናጻ ኤረትራ ብሕጊ ትምራሕ
    ኩሉ ዜጋ ክፍሳሕ
    ምስ ደቁ ክምሳሕ
    ድሕሪ ስራሕ

    መንቀሳቐሲ ኢሉ
    ዝሓቶ ዘይብሉ
    ክዕንድረላ ሃገሩ
    ከም ሃገሩ

    ንሱ ‘ዩ ዘገድሶ
    ዘሕጉሶ
    ያላ! ሓደ-ሓደ ንበል ነመጉሶ
    ንስ’ኳ ክውሕዶ

    N.B. This poem is not endorsed by saay7

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. It appears that those who are very critical of the TPLF & their dirty deeds over the past 2 decades, will automatically be precluded from Unity Government in Exile membership consideration, as a result of their preprogrammed classification as PFDJ members/supporters.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Dongolo

      ” It appears that those who are very critical of the TPLF & their dirty deeds over the past 2 decades, will automatically be precluded from Unity Government in Exile membership consideration, as a result of their preprogrammed classification as PFDJ members/supporters.”

      It all boils down to one simple Tigrigna fable (question): ግርም……. ግን – ነታ ‘ንጭዋኸ መን’የ ኣብ ክሳዳ ቃጭል ዝኣስረላ?

      Of course, for these losers, the answer is, “The Whiteman” – Libya, Iraq….. style. And that ain’t going to happen. So go figure!!!

      Semere Tesfai

      • Peace!

        Hi Semere,

        ውሕጅ ከይመጸ መንገዲ ውሕጅ ጽረግ ዘብል ኩነታት ኢና በጺሕና ዘለና እንትኾነ ዓቕምኻ ኣበርክት እንተዘይኮነ ነቲ ዘበርክት ዕንቅፋት ኣይትኹኖ::

        Peace!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Semere; don’t read too much in to this madness. Many of Eritreans who fled to the west during the struggle for independent to diaspora, today they are approaching their retirement and the review of their whole life is not appealing to their ego. What they have done their entire life, what they thought it was the best decision but when life approaching her destination, they realized that life has more to it, they could have done more to the greater good, more satisfying and gratifying. The idea that they failed to contribute to the birth of a nation, the older they get the desperate they have become and the know they have to do something. Something that will take them back home and more importantly, something that gives them power and authority. What could it be? You guessed it, Government in exile. It is nothing but a retirement project and hoping the CIA will bite. You know like what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is the idea, an idea for entertainment and wet dream.

        • Nitricc

          Greetings Moda; i have no idea what you are talking about. You can say all you want about me, but i will never promote some once idea or some once opinion. It would have been helpful if you share the video or the message you think i am promoting. However; for the sake of transparency, i will present what forced me to take the position i have taken over the weekend. Rest assured; i am not promoting anyone idea, although it will be very helpful to know what you are talking about.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Tesfai. You are 100% correct! Maybe they should rename ‘Government in Exile’ as the ‘California Retirement Experiment’. They simply have no trust, confidence or credibility as a result of their long association (past & present) with the TPLF. Change in Eritrea will only come from within for which they want no part of even if they were to be invited to be a part of the process.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Dongolo

          1. – “They simply have no trust, confidence or credibility as a result of their long association (past & present) with the TPLF. Change in Eritrea will only come from within, for which they want no involvement with, even if invited to be a part of the process.”

          Dongolo, make no mistake: they (the loud voices) are well aware of that. The reason they say what they say, and the reason they do what they do is simply because change from inside is not acceptable to them. The reason: to these folks, the difference between Isaias Afewerqi and the next guy (gal) that follows (replaces) him “from within” is just the mustache.

          2. – Therefore, in the absence of public support, the only way they can get to the helm of power is through chaos and treasonous act. And the West loves creating and managing chaos – Libya, Iraq…… style. And as you can see, the West and its tentacles are sending – Libya, Iraq…… style regime-change signals to our region – in the name of liberating the Tigray people. And that is what is exiting the Eritreans that are closer to the people at-the-now – and that is where the sense of urgency (in the next 90 days) trial-balloon is being flown in the air to gauge public reaction.

          3. – Now, the nagging question that comes to mind is: Why is the West all of a sudden looking our Region through magnifying glass? Why now? What is new? What changed this time?
          Well, nothing new; just different administration and different policy in Washington – continuation (vision) of the Obama years to be exact. But to answer the why?

          4. – Whenever you see bloodshed anywhere in this planet, whenever you see conflict, wherever you see military confrontation, whenever you see human misery….. always remember this. It is a war (conflict) created/caused (a) to control natural resources – to deny Russia and China control of natural resources to be exact (b) to control strategic locations and to choke China and Russia by pointing guns close at their borders.

          5. – The current leaders of Eritrea and Ethiopia are flirting with the Chinese (allowing Chinese investment) and Russians a little to much. So for the West, it is high time to fine-tune Western policy in the Red Sea Horn Region by nipping-in-the-bud anomalies that are not consistent with Western interests – before it is too late.

          6. – And most of them all: it is high time to throw monkey wrench to the Chinese Belt and Road Intercontinental Initiative – by creating instability in every country that the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative is being constructed starting from Myanmar.

          7. – Now, this is a humongous pressure to the newly formed strategic alliance of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia…… If these countries stayed true to their commitment – as they should – and maintained their alliance, they will be safe and they will be winners. If the Western powers succeed in fracturing their alliances – which is more likely than not – pitting these countries against each other, we will most likely witness another Libya, Iraq, Syria……. for the next generation or two.

          8. – On a lighter note: from the Awate family, there is one person that Saleh Youns admires the most than any Awatista. And that person is Haile The Great – which Saay himself nicknamed him. And as a complement, one day Saay told his Awate readers that Haile the great is an intelligent hardworking man who work tirelessly for the corrupted UN Human Rights Division – exposing and translating PFDJ atrocities from English to Tigrigna – ምስ ቆልዓ ኣይትተሓባእ እዩ ነገሩ. Anyway….. as you can see, Haile the Great’s Tigrigna is mediocre – and I’m being very generous here. He speaks Tigrigna of the 1960s; but the Whiteman doesn’t know that. What a coincidence, today, both of Haile the Great and Saay are at the forefront promoting “Government in Exile.” Anyway…….

          9. – Tigrigna and Amharic have come a long way since the 1960s. Today, people who’ve mastered the Tigrigna language can profile (clearly identify) a Tigrigna written page if it is heavily influenced by ELF, EPLF, Eritrean but outside ELF EPLF influence, Eritrean Tigrigna that is heavily influenced by Ethiopian literature……; yes that precise. I remember, even “Hayat Adem the Eritrean” writing in Tigrigna before “she” said ጉሽተተይ and stopped it altogether.

          That’s my two cents

          Semere Tesfai

          • Dongolo

            Selam Semere. Ambassador Greenfield (I’ve known her for several years) is the one behind the U.S. push re Tigray. The U.S. earlier this week sent their Disaster Assistance Response Team (DART) to heighten visibility of U.S. ‘concerns’ and to exert local pressure. The U.S. has pushed the matter as hard as it can via the U.N. Security Council with China, Russia and India taking contrary positions. I can see some of PMAA actions of late, at least so far, are cake frosting acquiescence to U.S. pressure.

            Largely since 2013 when China came out with its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) the U.S. has been strategically outplayed on the Horn of Africa by China also now with Russia who recently establishing its fist full fledged African military base in years in Port Sudan. Over the past few weeks Pt. Sudan has almost comically berthed military vessels from both Russia and the U.S. rotating in and out.

            At Djibouti, the U.S. port presence continues to be squeezed while China has enlarged its apron and Russia is trying hard to make an entry. Of late there have been side discussions re China interest to invest in Assab to strengthen its Maritime Silk Road initiative of the BRI. The U.S. is now terrified of Beijing’s aggressive economic statecraft in Africa and the vulnerability of African states (i.e. Ethiopia) to “debt-trap diplomacy.

            The TPLF has spent millions of dollars of late on high level PR/lobbyist firms in the U.S. and Europe to cook a case against Ethiopia and Eritrea re Tigray and the U.S. Government is swallowing the stinky bait as it is time-wise strategically prudent for them to do. However, the U.S. runs a huge risk if they push the matter too hard for it ca. Cause either Ethiopia and/or Eritrea to entertains Chinese interests.

            It is sickening for me to watch Eritrean opposition who have long been TPLF groupies, again pathetically rallying behind the lies and deceit stories being cooked against Eritrean and Ethiopia by the TPLF, all of which is of course are time critical to Ethiopian election processes.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dongolo,
            Would you mind putting qualifiers instead of using a large brush when mentioning entities that include large number of people? The Eritrean opposition is not monolithic .

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Your behavior and activities ever since King Abiy came to power is questionable at best if not reckless.
            Your entire mission has been demonizing Abiy and the peace process. Your Negarit editions clearly show that you are not only biased towards the peace process but totally against it. You have been unwittingly bidding for Tplf for the past three years. You inadvertently demoted the weyane leaning Awate University to a mere weyane promoting grade school where people rush to bring unsubstantiated news . You wonder why most of the fair minded individuals left this site?

          • Mez

            Dear Ras Abi,

            Please cool, cool down.

            1) Ato Saleh J. Is the best seen on the full political spectrum of the horn of Africa.
            1.1.) No more, but no less either.
            2) We have to cohabitate and have to reach out each other.
            2.2) in this regard, “Awate university” is second to non; at least as of now.

            3) Good job Saleh J.

            Thanks

          • Abi

            Hello Mez
            1)it is your opinion.
            1.1) I don’t know what you mean
            2 ) agree
            2.2) used to be
            3 . Good is not enough

            Thanks

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ዓወተ እንደሰየሙት ዩኒቨርስቲ
            ኣሁንም ኣሉት የተለያዩ ፋክልቲ

            የፖለቲካል ሳይንሱ! ነው የተበታተነ
            የተከፋፈለ በዲፓርትመንት ባመለካከቱ በወያነ

            የሕግ ኮሌጁ?
            ረጅም ሆኖታል ከሰጠ እጁ
            ታላቁ ሃይለ መጥተዋል፡ እየጠብቅን ነው ፈርጁ

            ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ሳይንስ እና ቴክኖሎጂ
            ተማሪዎች ኣሉት፡ ዲኑ የት እንደጠፉ እንጂ

            ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ጂኦግራፊ እና ሂስትሪ
            ፕሮፈሶር ኢስማዒል እና እኔ ኣለንበት፡ ከተገኘ ተማሪ

            የሕክምናው ፋክልቲ ጠባቂ ጤና
            ዶር ፋንቲ ትተዉት ሄዱ ጠፉ ወደ ጋና

            ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ቱሪዝም እና ሆስፒታሊቲ
            ፕሮፈሶር ሓሸላ ሄደዋል ልምድ-ቅሰም ወደ ሃይቲ

            ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ኣርክዮሎጂካል ኤክስካቬሽን
            ከፕሮፈሶር ገጠብ እንጠብቃለን ኢንፎርሜሽን

            ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ጆርናሊዝም እና ፕሮፖጋንዳ
            ንትርክ ኣለን ሓቅ ፈላጊ፡ ሓሰት ‘ሚያፈነዳ

            የተቀረው ጀታው እርስዎ ይጨምሩ
            ውስጡ’ና ውጪው ኣዋቂ የኣስተዳደሩ

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            እንዴት እንዴት እንዴት
            እኮ ወዴት ወዴት?!?!
            ማስጠንቀቂያው ይላል “ዱ ኖት ሬሲቴት”
            አንተ ካስገደድከኝ ህይወት ልዘራበት
            መፍትሄ ልፈልግ የሚሆን አብነት
            ይሄው ሞክሬያለሁ አማክሬ ጠበብት

            አዋተ, ፋክልቲ ኦፍ ኢትዮጵያን ስተዲስ
            አስመራ ዩንቨርስቲ ቅርንጫፍ የአዲስ

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው + የዓወተ ህዝብ

            ኣቢ፡ የኢትዮጵያ ስም ሲደጋገም ያሰኛል ነገሩ
            ግን ከኤርትራ ጋ መንትያ ስለሆኑ እኮ ነው ምስጢሩ

            እንደ ‘ከነኔ እና መነኔ’* ሳይሆን የተጣበቁ ሞት የፈጃቸው
            እንደ Pollux & Castor** መንትያ ሞት ያልለያቸው

            * ከነኔ እና መነኔ is a translation just for you, Abi. In tigrigna they are ክናናን ምናናን
            * Knana & Mnana from the Eritrean mythology:
            Knana & Mnana were conjoint twins. Knana was blind, but with functioning legs. Mnana was sighted, but with paralysed legs. They lived cooperating even playing with their peers and grew to become adults. Mnana was God-fearing and grateful for everything God gave him including his condition. On the contrary, Knana was miscreant lived admonishing his God about the wrath that befell on them. Mnana lived pleading his brother to accept their condition, but to no avail. One day, God collected the soul of his loving faithful lamb Mnana, leaving Knana to live with the smelling brother’s body gangrene. Eventually Knana ended dyeing after much suffering.
            Reference: ወግዒ ቀዳሞት ብተኽላይ ዘወልዲ 1992

            ** Pollux and Castor, from the Greek mythology:
            Pollux and Castor were fraternal twins born to Queen Leda from Zeus and her husband king Tyndareus, who both visited the queen on the same night. Zeus as God had to transform himself to a Swan to seduce Leda that night. Pollux and Castor grew becoming heroes who saved ships and sailors in trouble from sinking at sea and saving other heroes from defeat at wars. Pollux acquired immortality from his father Zeus, Castor got mortality from his human father. But, since they loved each other a lot, they share Pollux’s immortality. When Castor died and went to Hades (the place of dead), Pollux decided to share his immortality with his brother and they daily exchanged places between Mt. Olympus (place of immortality) and Hades.
            Reference: Everywere in greek mythology

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            You find these kind of examples in the Bible as well. May be not quite similar but close enough
            –ቃየል አቤል ላይ ተነሳበት, ገደለውም
            — ዮሴፍን ወንድሞቹ ሸጡት
            — ይሁዳ ክርስቶስን አሳልፎ ሰጠው
            …..
            See, the “brotherly killing and betrayal “ has always been with the history of mankind.
            እኛም ከላይ የተፃፈልን ኩነኔ is manifested in ምናኔ.
            የተኮነነች , የመነነች ነፍስ!!

          • Haile S.

            Jetaw,
            Which one came first? Bible or Greek mythology? We can add ancient Egyptian mythology into the mix as well.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            የናንተን ዘመን ታሪክ እኔን ትጠይቀኛለህ?
            በል ከፈጣሪ እንዳታጣላኝ:: I can’t afford to quarrel with God and Gadi at the same time.
            I believe the Bible came first.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው
            😁😁😁 ኣይቼው በነበር!
            እኔም ከፈጠራችሁ መጣላት መከራከር ይቅርብኝ. I won’t say Egyptian. ከሱ’ጋ እንደርስበታለን።

          • saay7

            Dear Abiy:

            In the time I have gotten to know you:

            1. You were “bread now, democracy later “ Weyane apologist for a long long time. Not once, not a single time, did you critique TPLF before 2018 (same with Horizon who has mercifully left us.)

            2. Then you jumped to asmarino where you became the cheerleader for the vile Agazian, before those vile people added Amhara to their long list of enemies

            3. Now you are a supporter of Abiy?

            Now you are accusing the most consistent man I know, Saleh Johar of being unreasonable? Abiy, the telephone call is coming from your house.

            Spring is coming.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh Y,
            “Spring is coming” ! Let us hope it will come with weeds resistant rain. Thank you for the herald.

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            —Ato Saleh is on record consistently bashing Abiy and the peace process.
            —I am still for bread before democracy. I’ve been against nepotism, corruption and ethnic politics. You are my witness.
            —I was at asmarino for a while fighting the Agazians.

            Yes, spring is here. I’m ready to apply pesticides on those parasites who wish the disintegration of Ethiopia if they don’t see weyane at the helm.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abi,
            Thank you for defending me in a war I have been in for decades.

            The issue is that Ethiopian elite, including Tigrayan, forget that internet colleagues and I are primarily concerned with the wellbeing of Eritrea. We have a tormentor and anyone who allies himself with our tormentor is an enabler of tyranny in Eritrea.

            There never was “a peace agreement” but a military pact between Abiy and Isaias on Ethiopian internal issues and we realized our youth will end up being fuel to the usual Abyssinian madness. And time proved us right (it was written on the wall for the honest observers but deniers were too many. Therefore, to be objective I suggest you see my position from an Eritrean perspective. I hope you understand my issue with Abiy or his crowd.

            In the struggle we are in, we have a side and anyone on the opposite side is a target. The gist is, do your thing and realize others have a choice. What is needed is civility. Nothing more.
            We will not allow disruption of our struggle and you know this forum is our main camp. We will not surrender it to anyone wishing to damage our cause. I believe it’s fair.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            I know you have been in the war for decades. However, I don’t let anyone falsely accuse you in your absence. I have done it online, I have done in person. I don’t hesitate to defend you in the future.

            Again, for an astute observer, you acted more like a weyane advocate than an Eritrean justice seeker whose mission is bringing peace and democracy in Eritrea.
            You have spent the better part of the last three years defaming and belittling Abiy. I don’t think this belittling brings about the desired goals you set out to accomplish.

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Abiy,
            Me fighting a prime minister and Abiy! You realize it is a million Goliaths and I know my size. However, on that front allow me to be the commander of my battles, devising my own tactics and strategies. Thank you for the offer, but my trench can only accommodate one commander, less we end up shooting at each other if you get in there. Thank though….. and I know you are fair only you have this itch to annoy people unnecessarily and I se it as a waste of energy. But who am I to tell you how to fight your battles except when it becomes taxing to the forum.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Thank you for your accommodations.
            Do not worry about sharing the trenches with a nobility:) I’m more interested in the throne than the thorn.
            I’m enjoying my popcorn while watching another episode of Negarit.
            Thank you.

          • saay7

            Abiy:

            The record shows that between the time you joined this forum until 2018, you never once not a single time, criticized TPLF. Not once.

            The record also shows that you were at asmarino encouraging the vile Agazian until you realized the people they hate included Amhara.

            It’s not your fault. It’s my and SGJs fault because we were external deferential to you and Nitrric while our moderators were dumbfounded at our blind spots. SGJ and I have told the moderators that we were wrong and that’s why spring is coming.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            I think you need to go back to your memory and fetch the cage fight I had with T Kifle regarding the Dedebit born constitution and nepotism , election etc.
            I had enough fights with His Saint Fantiness as well.
            I never encouraged Agazians. I fought them with all I had. Yes, I have defended Amharas at Asmarino. I have defeated Amharas at Awate. I have defended Tigreans at Awate. I have defended Oromos at Awate. I believe I cleaned up Awate from racists. No one defended ethnic groups like I do. I’m always the first to jump when I read a racist comment.

            I don’t need special treatment at this website.
            Spring is here. You can start your spring cleaning without ማስፈራራትና ፉከራ. I’m not intimidated. You called a wrong number.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SAAY; just for the sake of transparency; So, are you back with awate-team? You told us you left the team and started your own web-site, however here you are with intimidating messages. What is up? You reminding me the TPLF system. They tell you they left the system and they are back in backdoor. The point is are you in or you are still out? We need to know and we like it in open.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Abi is one of the few known as “turncoats” of every season. Let me add one to your list:

            He was a supporter of Lidetu before he become against him now. The name of Lidetu as savvy Ethiopian politician is brought to this forum for acquaintance by him and Amde -the great debater (we miss him). Abi has neither ideological roots nor does a philosophical ground in his argument. He always floats in the direction of the wind. Certainly, he will neither get dabo nor democracy under the current regime.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            A little correction here
            I never endorsed , supported or mentioned Lidetu at all. Never. I’m not saying that you lied. You just made a tiny mistake.

          • haileTG

            Selam Semere,

            ላም ብሓደ ጎና ኣይትሰብሕን!

            In its current situation, Eritrea isn’t even a likely spot for the BRI linked or funded project, nor is Somalia. Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti and Sudan have Port/rail based BRI projects and Uganda has the hydropower project linked to BRI. The rest is further out to the south or west of Africa. All those projects are up and running, it is not high time for US to throw a spanner in the works, it is past time. The project may have officially started in 2013
            but it was going on albeit without centralized regulation, funding and policy directives for many years prior. The BRI is not and can’t be the reason for what is transpiring in Ethiopia – Tigray in particular. The Eritrean government is at best diabolical when it comes to cooperation and partnership and at worst a liability as PMAA is finding out fast. An ecology of growth and expansion can’t take place without connectivity. As a matter of fact, connectivity is another name for ecology! Countries use many adaptive and evolving systems to keep their complex relationships at optimal for their advantage and betterment. PFDJ is busy finding ghost enemies and declaring kitet to nowhere. Now, we
            know most of the charges coming out are unfounded, yet purposefully directed to get some heads rolling – very soon. Ultimately, all PFDJ victims were never brutalized for well-founded charges, Ed shenahit xenahit! The removal of the IA administration will work for the better. Buckle up, enjoy the ride…

            HTG

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Haile The Great

            “Now, we know most of the charges coming out [from Tigray] are unfounded, yet purposefully directed to get some heads rolling – very soon. Ultimately, all PFDJ victims were never brutalized for well-founded charges, Ed shenahit xenahit! The removal of the IA administration will work for the better. Buckle up, enjoy the ride…..”


            First thing First: welcome back and welcome home to the Awate family. Your input was greatly missed. I hope you’re in here at Awate for the long haul – to add value to the Eritrean political discourse. Now that out of the way……………

            Haile: Nothing personal here. But, but, but no need to be an advocate of Tigreans more than the Tigreans themselves. The Tigreans and their fellow Ethiopians are more than capable to handle the issue of “PFDJ victims” in Tigray. No worries there.

            Now. to cut to the chase so to speak – this is my thing: there is no right way of doing the wrong thing. To be exact: there is no right way of forming legitimate Eritrean Government – outside the country (in exile) – without the full participation and consent of the primary stakeholder’s. In any given Nation, legitimacy of an opposition to govern comes through one and only one way: through the ballot box; through the majority vote of the registered voters; through the consent of the governed – not through foreign interest groups and exiled elite.

            Eritrea doesn’t need brain transplant. Eritrea doesn’t need imported democracy. Eritrea has sons and daughters who love her unconditionally. Eritrea has sons and daughters who are capable of bringing changes at their own pace. Eritrea has sons and daughters who are capable of building her from ground up – one brick at a time; Eritrea has sons and daughters who spent their entire life serving her; Eritrea has sons and daughters who defended her with sweat, tears, blood, limbs and soul to get here to where she is now, and who are more than willing to do so in the future. Please live Eritrea to be Eritrea; and leave change in Eritrea to take its natural course.

            Perfection in governance comes through stability. Perfection in governance comes through continuous improvements and changes. Outside interference, violent regime changes, imported ideas through imported people……… has never been a solution but a cause for instability and human misery.

            Thank you for engaging and thank you for all the respect

            Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            “In any given Nation, legitimacy of an opposition to govern comes through one and only one way: through the ballot box; through the majority vote of the registered voters; through the consent of the governed – not through foreign interest groups and exiled elite.” (sorry, the system did not pick your emphasis) .

            ሰማይ ዝሃገርካ ኢሳያስ ነዚ ክሳብ ዘፍቅደልኩም ተጸበዩ ዲካ ትብል ዘለካ. You are arguing as though there is a legitimate government mandated by the people through the ballot box in accordance with laws duly enshrined in a constitution. To be frank, if I did not know you as enlightened person intentionally committed to enabling a one-man led authoritarian regime for reasons you had let us know, I would have shrugged and passed this statement as a hallow rhetoric.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Semere. Interesting are recent talks of Eritrea’s planned new port on the Bay of Anfile which Is only 87 kms from Colluli’s huge potash reserves. Interestingly that he new port will not be too far from the Tiyo for which Meles long had eyes on. At least one country is now expressing interest in funding the new port. I can see why the U.S. is so nervous these days. On a distantly related note, many are surprised to learn that Nevsun Resources has for some time been under control of Zijin Mining Group Ltd.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Dongolo,

            With all eyes on the mineral richeness of Eritrea, that apparently renders everybody so jealous, is there a geology college in Eritrea? I know that there was department of earth sciences in the UofAsmara, that one would have expected it to grow to a university given the focus given to mining potential of the country, but no one hears or reads about it. If the country doesn’t develop muscles, ligaments and tendons to makes things move, where does it lead talking about the beautiful ግሩም skeleton?

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. Do you believe that if the U.S. leads an Iraqi style removal of PIA/PFDJ and then Implants an unaccepted diaspora spawned transitional government, that the education deficit in Eritrea would be remedied? Again, change must come from within. Say that PIA passes and a younger more moderate person from within his ranks replaces him, do you believe that the permanent fixtures here would then lend support?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Dongolo,

            Yes I do. In the absence of any strong institutions in Eritrea, the “permanent fixtures” at Awate or fixtures in other places become the “rubble” with which to rebuild the damaged house.

            The biggest problem to Eritrean educational/academic institutions is the politics that suffocates them by its presence and absence. Presence is the big cloud of priorities placed upon the rank and file of the military administration pushing any existing civilian institutional organigram to nonexistence. Absence is the complete failure to have policies and guidances that have long-term vision. What exists is the ብጽፍራ subsistence policies that need pure muscle power of the youth and their time rendering and leaving them exhausted, familyless, pennyless, broke and aging. In a country with an assembly and constitution, there is a place for everyone including for those who adamantly adhere to the ብጽፍራ-based subsistence economy.

            Let me give you an example of a breakpoint that resulted from the dismantling of the UofAsmara in the mid 2000. In medical-related fields in 2006, Eritrea had 76 publications, in 2007 67. In 2008, it drastically dropped to mere 13, then 17, 19, 22, for 2009, 2010 and 2011, respectively, and so on, only to come close its 2006 level (72) in 2020. It took a minute to dismantle an institution. It took 14 years to regain the already underperforming sector. What a waste! The example I am bringing is an index. One (the short sighted) can go on spinning on the importance of publishing under the condition the country has been and is and what have you. But it is a revealing index.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. Many thanks for your comments. We obviously have very different views as to how positive change can best be achieved.

      • haileTG

        ሰመረ ፥ ንምንታይ ኢኹም ንቆይቂ ትዳለዉ ዘለኹም?
        ኣይትኾውንንያ’ስ እንታይ ማለትዩ?
        ኹሉ ከም ዝፈልጦሲ እዛ ናይ ሎምዘበን ድሙ ቃጭላ ባዐላያ ትኣስር….

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Dongolo,

      I think you have very good idea and knowledge how to put pressure to the Eritrean gov with regards to the UN agency. You can contribute in that regard as I see that you are passionate about it, and I think it will be very effective way as well.

      This separates you from the likes of Semere Tesfai, who when challenged about the human rights abuse or lack of freedom in Eritrea, revert to religion etc to mask the real issue.

      Do you agree that TPLF is no longer a threat to Eritrea sovereignty today? Now can you please forget about those “opposition” who were sympathizers of TPLF. And as far as TPLF critical members, there is no body excluding anyone who want to join to fight for the Eritrean people.

      Now do you think it’s the right time to focus the attention towards Eritrean government to ease it’s iron grip and time to make the lives of Eritreans better. Schools for example, have been shut down for a year now…do you think this is reasonable?

      I see no reason why Eritrean army should be in Tigray / Ethiopia to safe guard anyone. We should limit our presence in our boards as to the boarders that’s demarcated virtually and nothing more. Eritrea should respond to UN and invite them to come and demarcate the boarders with the agreement of the Ethiopian government and local Tigray government and close our business once and for all.

      All this deafening silence is not going to serve Eritrea and leave Ethiopian problems for Ethiopians to sort out.

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        I see no reason why Eritrean army should be in Tigray

        Hi Berhe; the Eritrean soldiers are in the borders and even the people of Tigray bagged their administrates to stay the Eritrean army till conditions improved. listen to the interview on VoA with Tigray western zone Admin. also remember that girl lost her arm fending of a rapist Eritrean solders? well, she was wounded at a battle then night of Tigryan special forces attacking NC on Adi-Hageray front. You see, all truth will come out and you all be ashamed of yourselves for attacking the Eritrean army by siding with digital weyane.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          Why do you like to twist the facts.

          Eritrea is not the SC and it doesn’t have the mandate by the Ethiopian government, the AU or the UN to safe guard the well being of Tigray.

          If it has the mandate and it has agreed to carry out that mandate then it should be official and not behind the door deal.

          Do you think Eritrea should stay (well according to many was never there) when the international community and the Tigray people (call them what ever name you like) wanted them to leave.

          Where is Abiy government and what is his stance? Can’t he say we invited them to stay?

          Should Eritreans and Eritrea sacrifice for the well being of Tigray? Why?

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I don’t understand why you are determined to implicate the Eritrean army in the current atrocities committed by the disgraced Tplf militia in Eritrean army uniforms.
            All the alleged atrocities have been committed by the Tplf thugs themselves.
            I hope you understand ( although too late ) all the mischievous things the late Tplf thugs did to the people of Tigray.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            How am I determined to implicate the Eritrean army.

            Question for you:

            Does the Eritrean army have any business in Tigray now?

            TPLF, junta, Abiy, Amhara what ever is Ethiopian people problem, it’s not Eritrea problem now.

            If it’s in fact the TPLF are responsible, they should go blame TPLF and leave Eritrea alone.

            My problem is, the why can’t the Eritrea government say, it’s not our problem go mind your business.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I don’t believe the Eritrean army is in Tigray. Ethiopia has enough army to control the Horn of Africa. We don’t need Eritrean army in Ethiopia.
            All the fake news that you hear is orchestrated by the thugs.
            Nothing new.

          • Dis Donc

            Anta Hewna Berhe,

            Tiwiywiy do tibil; wala zeytefelTe neger khoynuca? Eritrea, zeyHaqiq shigir co zelowa (both internal and external)!!! As I said, I don’t get the hysterics really. Given the bloody history between the two, it is only natural to assume that Isu will at least deploy his troops at Tigray’s gate. Occasional incursions are also a reality! Anything short of that will only be a betrayal to his consternation ever so. I say this without taking, any real threats posed by an unforeseen enemy, out of the equation. As recent as when the war began, weren’t the Tigrayans (not just any TPLF cadre) beating their chests about Abay Tigray that includes the whole of Eritrea and some Afar? Weren’t they reloading the Abay Tigray mantra? In no way this should be interpreted as a support to Isu, though!

            Dear Nit,

            I remember of reading a question that you posed for Dongolo. Next time you read any slogan please understand that it carries a message. From their slogans you can learn many things and their infatuations about Eritrea. It all began with “Tigray t’tziwar!” That later became “Tigray t’siEr!” And later on it became “Tigray t’Ewet!” In that order goes the diplomatic offense as well!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi DD,

            From my point of view, I took the threat of Abay Tigray and their franchise very seriously. More than the key bahrachin or PFDJ ever can inflict permanent damage in Eritrea. They were recruiting and brewing ethnic and religious conflict in Eritrea while taking side with one ethnic group at the expense of another. And I think they did find a lot of customers and we don’t know where that may lead to. I believe TPLF had everything to do with it, and I asked few around here.

            From the Tigray / TPLF point of view, they realized that their power in AA has gone permanently, or it will have huge consequence and they need the next best things is, to mess in Eritrea and eventually join the two. In the process if half of the Eritrean population is exited, they didn’t care as much. The way I saw it, what the Israel did to the Palestine.

            But we must be careful, this war is not with the Tigray people or against the Tigray entity and Eritreans do not have the mandate for the well being of Tigrayans and Ethiopians.

            This is what my last comment was all about out. While there is the federal Ethiopian government, why this is Eritrea business.

            Berhe

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Berhe,

            No question there! I agree, for all its intents and purposes, with your last paragraph. Because you showed keen interest, let me ask you some serious questions then. With Eritrea’s perceived existential threat hanging very low (both from within and outside, thereof proper Eritrea) how do you go about solving that with the Tigrayan elites? Let’s just keep Isu out of the picture for now and ask as to why were the Tigray elites so mean (sporadic attacks, intrusive incursions and diplomatic boycotts) to Eritrea, the country, in the past three decades? Forget recent attacks for now!

            That being the case, how do you go about convincing people that the opposition (or the now gov’t in exile) was/is/will be free from tampered with (by the west as well as by the pseudo-TPLFites)? What can you show to the people at-home (diaspora and immigrants) that you mean for good governance and not for power grabbing peppered with old grudges?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear DD,

            Sorry in the delay in getting back to you. To answer to your question “How does the GiE will remain free from tampering by the West as well as pseudo-TPLFites)”.

            I think your question is legitimate and I don’t think there is any grantee from any political entities that we should expect, that they will not do things that will look after their own political interests first, which “grabbing power” so they can implement their agenda.

            I think we need shed off the notion off “grabbing power” as a sin if it’s the the primary objective of any political organization. If they are not after “grabbing power” then they are not political organization in the first place. So I think we need to understand that aspect of any “political party”.

            Having said that, I think we need to have rules in place that gives equal playing field as well as, a means to control the manipulation of some “political entities” from becoming a Trojan horse of other “agenda” that we are so familiar with in our history.

            For example, looking at Saay proposal of GiE made up of EPLF members and other political entities, is probably to help us safe guard the transition and those political parties who primary have Eritrea self interest first and for most at heart.

            You should listen his interview w with Fanus Network and why he things the GiE (former EPLF and ELF members) as the trusted political entities that can lead us to legitimacy moving forward as a starting point.

            Some of the guard rails that we need to have, for example, could be adapting “political party formation” draft document from EPLF/ PFDJ.

            Also media such as awate and others can play an important role in keeping the public informed and help the political parties accountable for any dealings they have with others.

            In short I am really encouraged and very hopeful with the level of political discussions that is happening with Eritreans. I know we hear some of the loud voices but if you spend time reading the comments on some of the you tube channel discussion, the most majority of the people I think wanted a strong and viable Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Ras Abiy Every Eritrean knows that because it is not the culture of the nation but by defaming the Eritrean government they think they got even with PIA. Trust me they are pissed off that TPLF is gone. Everything is coming out and i have doubt the Eritrean soldiers will be set free. The other thing, do you know why the whites are crying like a baby? you know it, no more GUDAY ASFETSAMI” on the horn. Abiy is showing some testicles, PIA is PIA and they felt they lost the horn and they must revive TPLF by any means. Stupid of them dead people never coming back. a little too late.

          • Abi

            General
            One thing puzzling me is why people are busy implicating the army ( mostly conscripts) in the current atrocities knowing full well who are the culprits.
            If they don’t have the courage to defend the army, at least refrain from attacking its members in the hope of appeasing the dead Tplf.

            Did you read the ሞናሊዛ story?
            I hope the algezira correspondents at Awate will update us with the full story over the weekend.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Berhe Y. Thanks for your below comments. I will revert back to you later.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Berhe Y. Some time back, it became clear to me that many of the permanent fixtures here clearly do not wish to entertain any thoughts or ideas on how to achieve much needed reform/accountability of the PIA/PFDJ regime for they are only Interested in its complete replacement/usurpation and they will use any means, however wrong or treacherous it may be, to achieve their aim. At least to me, this total close door attitude seems much motivated by old war scores rather than pragmatism. For example how practical is it for diaspora Eritrean opposition members who have been abroad for some 40 years and are largely stained by old party politics or TPLF complacency, to march back into Asmara, with the assistance of outside power(s)? How accepted would such a group be even if they were to find a way back in? I remain convinced that Eritrean change can only occur from within.

        As you know, whenever in the past I have taken time to recommend ideas/strategies on how to exert pressure on the PIA/PFDJ regime to be more accountable, it has been met (save for comments from yourself – thanks in this regard!) with complete silence only for myself to shortly thereafter be erroneously cast as a PFDJ member/supporter.

        I too desperately wish to see much needed change in Eritrean Governance but there are some things that I will never do (i.e. risking Eritrea’s sovereignty, treason, deriding Eritrean soldiers, etc) and I am certainly not willing to wash dirty clothes in public with the unscrupulous who have no qualms in doing so.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Saay!

    Great to see you with this timely proposal. I read both translations (English and Tigrinya – because shabait pressers seem to be wildly different depending which translation one reads: western audience vs. cheguar danga version 🙂 I also listened carefully to your interview with ERISAT.

    Your proposed GIE seems reasonable if one grants the key assumption made thereof, i.e. the biggest problem is “legitimacy”. But what sort of legitimacy?? From what is proposed, it appears by legitimacy to mean something like “Menqesaqesi” type paper trail.

    Let me digress and illustrate to help identify a “good fit” legitimacy vis-à-vis the Eritrean reality. It doesn’t really matter how much we like or dislike it. Because it is what it is. As we are following the unfolding situation in zobana, the TPLF supporters seem to be engaged in massive information/defamation media activity against Eritrean troops. However, following some gruesome stories coming out in connection to events in Tigray (Axum), the PFDJites are screaming foul because the opposition is appearing to ignore the tragedies of Eritrean refugees in Tigray and give voice to the Tigray victims!

    It is not an issue for these “Hagerawyan” to ask why there be refugees in Tigray border towns in the first place and not in Eritrea living in peace? It appears that being an Eritrean refugee is a normal fact of life for them. The deeper meaning is however, the fact is that “legitimacy” means “preserving” Eritrea – independence, LuAlawinet,,, Injustice is normalized, war is normalized, refugeeship normalized, gross HR violations is normalized, baqa suq, suq, suq…

    It seems to me at least the Eritrean populace will not budge unless the very sovereignty appears to be threatened in existential way. Something like like flying Ethiopian flags in all ministry offices in Asmara.

    So, to make my pointings short, Eritrea faces a moral and ethical crisis due to the disordered desire to hold on to dear life of the nation. In fact, change would give Eritrea new life, new opportunity, new dawn of peace and development. There was once a girl who loved her pet bird so much that she squeezed it too tightly and the bird suffocated and died in the girl’s loving clutches. So seems the tragedy of Eritrea.

    We need, a young, vibrant, confident nationalist leadership to sail the currents and turbulent waters. Nationalist optics may have high currency than paper trail menqesaqesi at this stage of the game.

    Again, my two cents worth only. Thank you for you grreat idea.

    HaileTG

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear HaileTG,

      Wow,,Long time… we miss you ,,

      KS,,

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Haile-TG,

      Good to see you back. Greatly missed.

    • saay7

      Welcome back Haile The Great:

      Thanks for your critical assessment of the proposal!

      Digressing a bit, the Minister of Information once referenced Eritrean refugees as “refugees”, which is the NNNN’s delusional world of negating reality just like they say “opposition” and I think soon they will start saying “the people.”

      The issue of legitimacy is my take of “who has the authority to claim leadership?” In the last 20 years, I believe one of the challenges we were not able to meet is that we were not capable of leading without authority (it can be done but we were not up to it.). My assessment is that of the sources of legitimacy still left to use, the only one that appears acceptable to most is “revolutionary legitimacy.” But I will write an entire article why, on balance, EPLF+ELF is the most legitimate to shake the opposition of its state of…. um, lack of urgency.

      Remember, all this legitimacy (from organizational congress) is only to legitimize the very rationale for even having an exiled opposition. The actual leadership of the government (at least in my vision) are a panel of experts who will be structured the way the Eritrean ministries are. And where will those people come from? From everywhere: the Yiaklers, the one who dont feel any connection to the traditional fronts, and all our diverse population.

      The pace outside Eritrea and its influence on Eritrea is much faster than the Eritrean drive for change. We need to speed it up…. it requires all hands on deck and there is movement.
      If that doesn’t work (and it should work) we will try something else: what the dummies at PFDJ think is that they own the famous Eritrean ኒሕ and let them think so. That’s our strength: being underestimated 🙂

      In any event, I am glad you are back. I see it as a good omen, to return this forum to its formers greatness by pruning all the NNNN cult members who contribute nothing to Eritrea except constant wars, sanctions, hunger, prisons, and a corroded culture of lies.

      saay

      • haileTG

        Selamat Saay,

        [KS, Aman and SG…enkua’E dehan tsenahkum abeyti sebat!]

        Saay, can’t wait for the taller article to flesh out the whys. In fact, I have no doubt that your legitimacy test is shared by many. The question is however, could there be a selection bias in conferring legitimacy in this regard?? Actually, it would be great if you could also run a survey here in AT to gather responses on “Who people would think to be legitimate”. Perhaps, the YG section of the political landscape may vote one way and others different ways. It is indeed generous of timing to even contemplate your idea to take concrete form by independence day. The fast changing situation on the ground might change facts way before that (like end of March :). In other words, time is up! It appears IA is being framed securely to take the full blame, including by his friend Dr. Abiy. The PM office tweet today lending credence to the charges of massacre is indicative of the realpolitik of love and betrayal behind the scene. Nay semaniya amet temokuro ztewahlele nih y’hagizena tray 🙂

        HTG

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG?????
      I cannot hide my excitements to see you back. However, I don’t see you carrying a Boulder and apologizing to everyone here for disappearing for too long 🙂

      Welcome back, it’s time we banished mediocrity and shallowness that is obsessed with creating confusion. Welcome again.

    • Abi

      ሰላም ኃይላችን
      እንኳን በደህና ተመለሱልን ጌታው!

    • Nitricc

      Hi Haile where the hack have you been? Nice to see back and i see you are excited with unattainable hope. Okay Haile have it your way.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. An Eritrean TPLF Sympathetic Unity Government in Exile? There is ample reason as to why the Eritrean opposition is so mistrusted. Blind and mute were for 20 years in regards to human rights violations and atrocities committed by the TPLF. The Eritrean opposition needs desperately to divorce itself from Tigray & TPLF matters and focus on the home front.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Dengolo; that is too late. No one will accept them what ever they try. For the last 20 years, they were working and doing whatever for Weyane for money. Now, there is no money, who would believe and accept those losers? They should be true to themselves and follow Weyane to Dog-A Temben and die with their masters. Regarding government in exile, nothing more, since their money sources, TPLF id dead, it is natural to find a replacement. When you hear Government on exile, they are recruiting the CIA to give them money. Have ever ask who will fund the government on exile? You guested it. Another shame. No one is stupid!!!

      • Dongolo

        Selam Nitricc. The head of the TPLF has clearly been severed but it’s testicles will nominally remain active until end 2021. TPLF looted cash reserves have earlier been committed to support various 2021 pro-TPLF platforms (Tigray Online, Agai Forum), some Eritrea opposition groups/websites, and contracted U.S. and E.U. Public Relations lobbyist efforts). Ask a simple question here as to why never a single really negative article against the TPLF and angst of pain from responder silence tells all.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Progress In Motion: (22 October 2002) ‘Eritrean opposition groups, currently meeting in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa, are planning to set up a government-in-exile, sources at the meeting told IRIN on Tuesday.’

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኣባል ክትክተብ ‘ንዳ ንሕና-ንሱ
    መዐቀኒኡ ‘ንታይ ‘ዩ?
    ሓደ ሰብ ምስ ዝሓስብ ብዘይ ርእሱ
    ካልእ ከ?

    ኢሎሞ ምባል ዝፈቱ
    ዓሽ! ዓሽ! ዝብል
    ሓለፍቲ ህግደፍ ሃገር ‘ናዘመቱ
    ዕልል ዝብል ሰቡ ‘ናሞቱ
    ኣይከሰርናን ‘ናበሎም
    ኣፍልቡ ሸንዲሑ
    ጫሕ ኮራርምቱ
    ——-ብርቱዕ ጣቕዒት
    ——-ባንዴራ ተጎልቢብካ ሳዕስዒት
    ማዕጾ ህግደፍ ጋሕ የብለልካ
    ተዓሚትካ ክትኣቱ
    ብዘይ ናትካ ርእሲ ሕሰብ
    ናትካ ደኣ ተጋዒቱ
    ባቃ!

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Talk of a Unity Government involving the ELF simply lacks credibility. We are some 40 years down the road since the ELF was real power player. We are talking of Carter-Reagan era politics.

  • Aman Y.

    Selam Saay,

    Your boldness to bring your initiative is appreciated!

    You wrote,” If you are thinking it is too bold to announce oneself a government in exile: you shouldn’t even try.”
    I suggest we select a couple of qualified People bold enough to lead the Government in Exile. This is a suggestion to expedite your proposal.
    1. In line to your approach with EPLF, I would start working with the executive committee. I think we have only one. How about working on giving him Co- leadership.
    2. When you think of GiE’s they are all lead by one or two people. Hence, I nominate Saleh Younis to be the other Co. not only because he initiated it, but also he is qualified.
    3. And after refining a working document with advisors and pertinent people, you call what ever outreach needed. Many of the movements, like the one you mentioned, had stayed dormant. Still, every organization’s and individual’s prior knowledge needs to be considered and accounted. I believe every one is still fighting for justice in one way or another. And initiatives like yours are timely awakenings for the dormant.

    Now, are we bold enough?

    Respectfully,

    • saay7

      Selamat Aman:

      The boldness challenge was to the leadership of the EPLF and the ELF-allied organizations. A lot of our opposition leaders may feel tired or like they have failed: but I am reminding them if you think you failed, the regime in Asmara has failed in multiples than you. If you think “government in exile” is unusual, so is having a “transitional government” in Eritrea 30 years after independence. If you think reorganizing at this stage is too late, no it’s not: the TPLF founders headed to the hills to fight at a very late stage. In the end, it’s all about faith and conviction.

      1. Actually there are two members of the Exec Committee of EPLF: Mesfin Hagos and Shengeb. Both have unique strengths: Mesfin is still highly respected in the EDF, Shengeb is a brilliant organizer and highly competent. But to achieve legitimacy they have to be elected by the EPLF at its 4th congress.

      2. That’s a hard pass for me. But I would do all I could to make the government succeed. Eritrea has a LOT of catching up to do thanks to its criminally incompetent and sadistic “transitional government” in Asmara.

      3. My role I think is to spark an idea and present details on how it can work. Then its owners (the rank-n-file of EPLF and the Bayto) will take it over and make it work. Almost 25% of Eritreans live in exile and excepting for the useless NNNN, many of them are highly educated and can replicate Eritrea’s 19 ministries in weeks.

      More detail to follow. What is needed from us is refusal to yield our country to a bunch of war mongers, looters, and sadists.

      saay

      • Ismail AA

        Selam saay7,

        Fine you came in to give this debate, which appeared to have ebbed lastly, an impetus. I recall I included within one of my entries a kind of request that it may be incumbent on you to add some energy necessary to sustaining the discussion. More inputs and details can help to expand an outreach for the idea. It is great to know now that you intend to just do that. One important point is how the Awate.com community can best engage through formerly and currently active participants if can be mobilized. This was what I read in your comment that you and SJ have been doing serious consultation.

        Having scribbled that, moreover, I need to put my critical support for the idea. It is not because it is practically and conceptually proven feasible venture. It is because it is an idea that can be sown in “depleted arid land”. When everything tried in the past two and more decades did not work, it is makes sense that any idea measured by its proponents to be viable to be give chance.

        And, a point, which needs to be unequivocally underscored, is that what is being talked about is an idea in its embryonic phase. It is not about the EPLF or ELF as some seem to be entertaining. The point is simply a selection has been made of players which political expediency calls for to help the idea to germinate. In other words, the proposal should be reduced to involvement of historical EPLF and ELF. That to say that Looking at the issue from the perspective Dongolo appeared to suggest in his comment (above) for instance, has nothing to do with matter. It is more of what historical EPLF and ELF represent ideas their social and political essences rather than physical roles these two would play as persons. History has already determined the end of organizational framework of programs – 1982 for ELF and the EPLF morphing to Isayas’ HIGDF.

        • saay7

          Selamat Ismail:

          I am doing more outreach with our Eritrean media and the article has already been translated to Tigrinya and soon to Arabic.

          Because it’s a proposal, we are pace this in phases: 1. Are the people to whom the message is directed responsive? (They need to be persuaded), 2. Will the people be supportive when the political actors are ready (phase 2.)

          In terms of having public discussion about it, especially in forums where Isaias and NNNN sleeper cells, Isaias-worshippers and Trojan horses pretend ing to being sympathetic to our cause (justice, citizenship) is not ideal.

          But yeah: the hard work has begun.

          saay

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Saay,
            Just curious; will the GiE members be elected or selected? I know it is at early stage but just a thought.
            I would also put a through psychological checkup as a requirement for the GiE leader. We don’t want to have another looney as a leader.

          • saay7

            Mehands:

            Since my premise is that the biggest challenge the Eritrean opposition has is the issue of legitimacy, and legitimacy cannot he achieved by being appointed (unless you are ስዩመ-እግዝኣብሄር), then it follows that they will be elected. They will be elected in their respective organizational congresses and then the elected will form a unity government.

            Hey it’s 2021: we don’t say loony or psycho: somebody is either mentally healthy or unhealthy. And as long as they are getting treatment for it, the mentally unhealthy should not be disqualified from leadership posts.

            saay

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Saay,
            “ጤል ከይገዛእና ኣበይ ከም ንኣስራ” ክትዕ ከይትመስል ጥንቅቕ ክብል
            I wish we had ስዩመ-እግዝኣብሄር rather than this ስዩመ-ሰይጣን for the last 3 decades. ምስ ኣምላኽ ከይተባእሰኒ. Besides, the bar is so low and finding better alternates won’t be that hard.
            I have to disagree on the last part; we need a person that is mentally fit. We don’t want to risk it in case of medical shortages, which is common in our region.

          • saay7

            መሃንድስ:

            ኣጆኻ! ሜዳ ኤርትራ እንዳ ኢሳይያሳን ማንጆሳታቱን ኮራኩሩን ስለዝገበትዎ እዩ እንዳ ዕኑዳትን ዕቡዳትን ዝመስል እምበር ማህጸን ኤርትራ ከም ዓለማ ካብ 2% ንላዕሊ ወፈፌ ኣይተፍርይን እያ:: ኤርትራ በዞም ባንዳ ሰነፋት ኢሳይያሳውያን ኣይትፍረዳ: they are mutations.

            saay

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Saay,
            ኣፍካ ይስዓር!
            ጀሚርካዮ ዘለኻ ዕማም ካብ ጎቦ እምባ-ሶይራ ተዘይዓብዩ ኣይንእስን ‘ዩ ‘ሞ ሓገዝ ካብ ላዕሊ ይተሓወሶ።

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mehands,

            Yes indeed, Saleh has, and actually everyone of us who have vested interest in liberation of the country from despotism, colossal task. I think the mere fact he took the initiative to shake up the helplessly waiting status quo earns him praise. It is interesting to watch how things will shape up, especially among the milieu he has chosen as stepping stone.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Saay,

            Indeed they are mutated from the Eritrean DNA – the mutation that created a syndrome in the Eritrean politics.

            Regards

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo,

          The reason as to why the debate is ebbed as is: because we don’t have that many resourceful debaters on idea in the Awate community. There were few who come and go based on the flood of trollers.

          Second, I invited to members of the Baito to debate on the proposal. They told me what is the need of reorganizing while we have an organized umbrella that others could join. From my exchange, I understood them that the proposal is more to regroup the EPLFites than for broad unifying call, for GIE. I don’t know what reaction Saay is getting, but, from my acquaintances they are not that much enthusiastic.

          Third, unfortunately, the Eritrean politics is not yet matured and popularized both at home and abroad for any proposal to discuss and come up with agreeable solutions. A long way to go.

          Regard

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            Thanks for sharing the mood you have gathered. All interested persons have been doing the same, which is necessary as part of exploring environments.

            Regarding your first point, you are right that we have been missing across-the-board resourceful participants in the forum. As many refrained from active partaking, turned to casual visitors, readers or front page article contributors, the forum has suffered.

            Moreover, assessed at face value level, Saleh’s proposal is prone to getting the reaction you explained as result of reactions from Baito members. But, here at this forum, my view is that, irrespective of initiatives here and there, the proposal embodies a measured challenge aiming at shaking the realities of waiting and inactivity that have produced the conditions you have mentioned in your last points.

        • Dongolo

          Selam Ismail AA. Is it not possible In regards to unity government stratagem to avoid any reference to ELF, EPLF or PFDJ? Is it not better to base representation on a hybrid regional/district representational model?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            It is obvious the work of such an entity as proposed should not be encumbered by ideological baggages. It should be a political instrument tasked by clearly set action program geared to uniting and stirring the nation to free itself from an authoritarian regime, and open ways toward building a normal governance system that obeys consensually crafted laws of the country guaranteeing basic freedoms of citizens and natinal unity.

            As I tried to state elsewhere, at this stage talking about ELF, EPLF etc. as corporate interest entities can be non-starter. The important thing is how to mobilize stakeholders on the basis of basic rights and duties rather than allowing processes of accoommodating political-ideological programs. As I understand, Saleh Younis’ idea about starting the process from former EPLF members is merely for the purpose of starting somewhere or a look for a departure point if you will from where the task will have to embark on reaching out to wider representations.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት!

    ጥልያን ስለዘይክእል ፋራ ተቖጺረ
    ጀረመን ስለዘይፈልጥ
    መን ከማይ በሃሊ ኣብ ክንዳይ ሓፈረ
    ፈረንጂ ኣይዛረብን ምስበልኩ
    ዓሻ ተባሂለ
    ስፓኒሽ ስለዘይሰምዕ
    ደፋኢ ድንኩል ኴነ
    ብናይ መን ከማይ በሃሊ
    ጸሊም ከሎ
    ናይ ፈረንጂ ዓይኒ ዘለዎ ዝመስሎ

    ሳሆ ኣይዛረብን
    ትግራይት ‘ውን ኣይክእልን
    ምስ በልኩ ግን

    Who cares?
    ናትና ኢኻ ተባሂለ
    ምዕቡል ተቖጺረ
    ——-ኣየ ኣፍሪቃውያን ካብቲ ናቶም
    ——-ናይ ጎይተቶም
    ቋንቋ ምፍላጥ ማሕረ
    ምሁራት ደናቁር ክብል ድማ
    ከም ስርዓት ደፊረ
    ከምዚ ዓይነት ኣተሓሳስባ ሕዚካ
    ከመይ ‘ሉ ክመጽእ ምዕባለ

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      ሰላም መሃንድሳይ,

      ሕማም ደቂ ከበሳ ከምዘላታ ገሊጽካያ:: እዛ ግጥምኻ ንገሊኦም አብዚ መኣዲ ክትዕና ዘለው ተንጸባርቅ:: ሓደ ዓርከይ ጸሓፋይን ገጣማይን ከምዚ ሓውሲ ናትካ ገይሩ ይጽሕፍ’ሞ: አነ ንመን ከተርክብ ኢኻ ብዘይ ግሉጽ ገይርካ መልእኽትኻ ተመሓላልፍ ክብሎ ከለኹ: እንታይ ይብለኒ መስለካ? ግደፎም ነናቶም የልዕሉ ይብለኒ:: ሕጂኸአ ናትካ እዚ ግጥምኻ ነናቶም የልዕሉ ኢልካ ዝገጠምካዮ ይመስል:: ሓቀይድየ መሃንድሳይ?

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ
        “ነናቶም የልዕሉ”
        ኣማን ብኣማን!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          ሰላም መሃንድሳይ,

          ሕጂ ግርም!

          ካልእ ኸአ አለውኻ:: ንሳቶም ከአ እቶም ናይ አስመራ ዝተደባለቀ ቋንቋ ተዛሪቦም ትግርኛ ዝፈልጡ ዝመስሎም: እሞኸአ ነቶም እንኮ ዝኾነ ትግርኛ ዝዛረቡ: ትግርኛ አይትፈልጡን ኢኹም ዝብሉ ስለዘለው: ንዕዖም ከአ ናቶም ከልዕሉ ምስቶም ኣብ ላዕሊ ዝሓበርኩኻ ጌይርካ ግጠመሎም ኢኻ ሓደራኻ:: መሃንድስ ከም ልበይ!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother MM,

      Wow, the more I read your poems the more enjoy it..

      Go head and put some more please..

      KS..

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. A Unity Government in Exile would need to be completely secular in approach and stratagem and never be allowed to entertain religious sensitive matters.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dongolo,

      On a serious note, my understanding of the prospective ‘government in exile’ is foreseen to be a negotiated entity whose role will have to be defined by consensually agreed set of rules of engagement “codified” in a national action program that would gain people’s trust and rally behind it available collective national efforts and resources of the nation against authoritarian regime. It would be about strategies and tactics for nationwide political and public relations actions.

      Thus, in my view approaching the process with preordained (figuratively) positions on ideological and political identities of that “government’ can prematurely end up as non-starter if we keep in mind the reasons and ways opposition affairs have been done up to now.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት!

    ስለምንታይ?
    ስለምንታይ ተሪፍና ሓዲግ መዲግ
    ተበራራዪ ኣካል ይመጽእ
    ክገዝእ
    ሓንሳብ ብቓልዕ
    ከምዚ ናይ ሕጂ ድማ ብሕቡእ
    ዶ ዋላስ ዝ ናይ ሕጂ ንዓና ይግባእ?

    ስለምንታይሲ
    ‘ዝ ገዛኢ ካባና ‘ዩ ፈርዩ
    ተወሊዱ ዓብዩ

    ተማሂሩ ተጋዲሉ
    መዓስ ብሃውሪ ቦቒሉ

    ‘ሞ
    ስለምንታይ ንሱ ከምድሌቱ ክዝውር
    ንሕና ድማ ሰላሳ ዓመታት ክንዓፍር

    ወይ ድማ ከምታ ሰበይቲ ዝበለቶ
    ኣደይ ማርያም ዓሰርተ
    ፍረ-ነብሲ ኣግዚማቶ

    ሰብ ክልተ ድማ ኡስልና ንጉተት
    ሓመድ ንጋበር
    ሓድ-ሕድና ንሟጎት
    ባቃ!
    ኣብዛ ስደትና ከርተት
    ወይ ሰብ ክልተ!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear mm,

      Take home from the above stanza

      “ሰብ ክልተ ድማ ኡስልና ንጉተት
      ሓመድ ንጋበር
      ሓድ-ሕድና ንሟጎት
      ባቃ!
      ኣብዛ ስደትና ከርተት
      ወይ ሰብ ክልተ!”

      KS,,

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Ismail and all,

    With regards to the topic of Saay, I want to bring to the attention of everyone the article Abdulrazig Kerar wrote over a year ago with “Post-Islamism in Eritrea, Why Does It Is Matter?” which details the evolution of based on it’s last congress and it’s transformation to a new party. I thought he has spend a great deal writing the article and I don’t think it has gotten the attention it deserves.

    I was quite impressed with the outlook and vision of the party and I think it’s timely that we shine light to this transformation and if it can be used as a model for clearly setting the vision of the other opposition parties and what part it can play in the “government in exile” attempts Saay is trying to promote.

    In my opinion, I think the party and it’s members have quite advanced in their vision, plan and how to transform the country to democracy post IA.

    I did not want to put you in spot and this is not target to you directly but all other form members but I thought you would find of interest and you can steer the discussion towards the article and if possible, may be even invite the author to participate and expand the progress the party made since it’s last congress.

    I personally think, it can be be a vehicle to the “other voice” that is not part of the EPLF and I think it would be great it it can rally the other opposition around this great progress.


    The then Eritrean Islamic Party for Justice and development (EIPJD), in the final statement of its 6th congress, announced that the party had adopted four major resolutions:

    1) Its transformation into an inclusive political party that accommodates all Eritreans.
    2) Pursuing its goal through peaceful means.
    3) Restricting its activities to only political sphere, preserving the right of individuals to Pursue other forms of activities as individuals or civic societies.
    4) Changing its name to the Eritrean Democratic Homeland Party (EDHP).

    http://awate.com/post-islamism-eritrea-matter/

    Berhe

    • saay7

      Selamat Berhe:

      What a coincidence because I commented on the “Post Islamism…” article reminding people to discuss it instead of everything else they were. Islamism is an ideology and if communists orgs can be post communists, Islamists can be post Islamists. Same logic.

      On the proposal for GiE (Government in Exile) my comrade SGJ and I are not yet ready to make any announcements, but I think it’s fair to say its being seriously discussed by those to whom the call was made including the org you mentioned.

      Business as usual simply won’t do with the GiN (Government in Name) in Asmara hell bent on taking the country to new lows.

      Cheers!

      saay

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Saleh,
        Serious discussion is not only desirable but also an imperative. Wish all or at least some versatile participants in this forum would come in and contribute to the debate. Where is Dr. Paulos, Mahmoud Saleh, Yohannes Zerai, Dawit Mesfin and lots of them. I hope that “serious discussion” you have with SJ would also include how to reach those brothers and sisters.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ismailo,

          I could add to your list Haile-TG one of our resourceful and fierce debater, Kibrom and Hayat Adem.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Prof. Emma,
            Just curious on this Govt in exile thing…why didn’t I hear about the YiAakl movement? I thought they are active. Aren’t they?

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Mehandis,

            I don’t know the white structure but there is an active group on Facebook called Global YiAkl. You can search abs you will find many interviews and discussions.

            They are hosting Dan Connel this Saturday @ 2 pm Est if you can check it out.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you brothers Ismail/Prof. Emma/Berhe!
            I was just curious but I should have asked Saay7 for that [sorry about that].

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay,

            As a matter of fact If we equate youth = YiAakl, then I have brought to the attention of Saay on my appraisal to his proposal. I sincerely believe that there will be no meaningful GIE without them being part of the process. Eritrea is for them than those who are summoned to form GIE. The reason is understood

            Sorry Saay, it is my personal thoughts to make your proposal an all inclusive to all adult age groups, to reflect the generational link and continuity.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mehandis,

            This is a good question, and I can presume Saleh might be well aware of the matter. But, considering the time YiAakl groups have taken since they started, they have not really made any appealing progress. Actually, they can be considered as continuation of the civic society groups that had mushroomed following the border war and its repercussions.
            Moreover, the YiAakl who had inspiration from the so called disastrous Arabic spring movements and color rebellions in some parts of Eastern Europe and elsewhere had remained so far disjointed local groups and could not rally to establish bridges among themselves in the first place, and subsequently with others and the rest of the opposition organizations to elevate their organizational formation to a national level.

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Mehands,
            Hmmmmmm YeAkl???????

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. So, I suppose your Government in Exile ‘Dream Team’ would include Hayat Adem, Dr. Paulos, Samuel and perhaps some other Digital Woyanes? Maybe you could add Shakira to make it entertaining.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Berhe,

      Thank you for reminding us re-considering A. Kerar’s article in the framework of Saleh Younis’ proposal. I understood where you are coming from. It is fitting on your part to reflect on the unenviable state of enfeebled conditions of the Eritrean opposition groups and organization. to state the obvious, it would not be easy to rekindle the dynamos of the stultifying dynamics that have been decapitating the opposition forces. So, in order to make themselves relevant stakeholders in the framework of the process Saleh’s proposal is suggesting broadening the spectrum for political participation is an imperative because Eritrea’s political and social diversity will have to fairly accommodated in order the process to become viable and executable.

      I think your reflecting back to Kerar’s article was related to the other organizations and groups emulating the EIPJD. If memory helps me, I recall the article, which was well-thought and carefully written from political and ideological perspectives, was extensively discussed in this forum. A. Kerar, the prolific writer and constant observer of the Eritea’s affairs that he is, had framed his analysis in the discourse of the movement of post-political Islam in Eritrea as signaled by the change EIPJD had introduced to its existence. Such an approach made Kerar’s contribution attractively significant because it could be appraised as an end to ideology and focusing on politics in the context of Eritrean opposition politics.

      For those who persistently followed developments and alignment of forces or alliances since 1999 (AENF, ENA through EDA) do recall the endless debate about separating the ideological programs from transient political programs. The debate had involved the Islamic and secular formations with the objective of formulating a minimum national opposition task program guiding by set of national principles written in to a charter.

      If you and me (and of course others) have read Saleh’s proposal, the course he wanted the EPLF opposition camp should launch and then all of the others should follow suite to form energized front against the dictatorship would not see light of the day unless a political national task program sanitized immunized against ideological jockeying would emerge. Of course, the debate on Saleh’s proposal is still in an infancy phase. That is why some of us are insisting that as much as possible participation in this debate should be called for; and Saleh himself should do what he can since he has the skill and respect. A meticulous follow is essentially needed because when everything inside the homeland and outside it is considered, people should go for what is possible under the circumstances. That is why Saleh’s proposal is having traction.

      One of the means of stirring the direction less condition of the opposition is elevating the debate on the proposal to meaningful level and igniting energy in the camp of the other (non-EPLF i.e) opposition groups for they might challenged as stakeholders.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Berhe,

      Saleh’s proposal and the attention you brought about our diversity is extremely timely. Good to know Saleh & Saleh are working in a separate room with others to push it forward. That is the way to go in addition to debating issues here in the open.

      It is high time to highlight Eritrean diversities. Those are the building blocks holding the country. Some revisionists holding cross on one hand and speakers with the other are working like termites to undo the glue that is holding our diversity with acidic statements like genocide. Genocide has never been cheaply used like these days. Humanity need to find another word for it when it really happens.

      The challenge for the new proposal is on how to bring the audience of these revisionists to reason speaking representation, away from the attention seeking individuals who promote their ideas by closing all doors for reasonable discussion upfront through very divissive revisionist statements and out right false accusation.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Haile,

        When the resilient striving of the true patriots who had assimilated understanding of “the building blocks holding the country” recedes or holds back, the “revisionists” who work “to undo the glue … holding our diversity” grab their opportunity and feverishly work to promote their agenda. Among them, the most dangerous are those who hide behing culture and religion.
        Our still evolving national polity should be aware of extremists who nest in bosoms of the two major faiths. They exploit the good mission of harmonious coexistence of the two faiths with roots in brotherhood and humanity. In the name of imagined cultural and religious preservation, they strive to promote their sinister agenda of dismantling the foundation upon which the nation stands without carrying at all whether or not what they preach would be viable and enduring under the hard realities that govern life under modern nation-states.

      • Berhe Y

        ሰላም ሃይላት

        ደሃይካ ኣይተሓባአና፤ ደሃይ ኣይተጥፍእ። ንሕናን ከምዚ ኸማናን ስቅ ኢልና እንተረአና፥ እንተሰማዕና፥ እቲ ዝዝርእዎ ዘለዊ ጵልኢ፥ ብፍላጥ ይኹን ብዘይ ፍልጥ፥ ምንቃሉ ከሸግረና እዩ።

        As to the challenge you mentioned, I think we need to make a decision. It’s impossible to change the hearts of those revisionists to reason and we have to make the ultimate choice very clear. It’s the right to believe what ever they want to believe and there is not much we can do about it, but we have to focus to those who wants to see a viable Eritrea which is at peace with itself.

        I am extremely delight to read the vision of EDHP and their program is totally inline with what I would like to see what future Eritrea would be.

        Berhe

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Selamat Awate Community,

      Within this government-in-exile concept, what are the prerequisites for individual or group to declare a legit government-in-exile?

      There is some quick answer in google, but I am also curious to know if it is possible to have more than one government-in-exile claim if both parties have different ideologies or strategical approaches?

      Thanks,
      Reclaim

      • Nitricc

        what are the prerequisites for individual or group

        Hi Reclaim
        You need to be the citizen of Eritrea. If you are an Eritrean of different nationals with different citizenship are not qualified to any Eritrean political process. For instance; you pay your taxes and become citizen of another country to earn to vote, to ask for your rights and to challenge the political system. So, any person who doesn’t pay taxes and doesn’t live in Eritrea are out and it is not your concern whatever happens in Eritrea. Leave it to the people of Eritrea and if you are a citizen of another country, worry about your job, kids and about your government. Double Seeping is ethically and morally unacceptable; you left your country and accepted different citizenship, good for you and stay out of the real people business.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Nitricc,

          Where have you, sir? Welcome back. You are one of the needed here to have a say in this debate.

          Moreover, what you just stated would make sense in a normal national state that operates in conditions of legally instituted national organs that obey law and order. In all your conscience, do you claim Eritrea exists as a normal state: constitution that defines who a citizen is or is not; a government that exercises at least minimum consensus, and not run in accordance of one person’s whims and desires; a government that allows its people freedom of movement and choice of citizenship and laws that may or may not approve dual citizenship etc. In a situation where nationals have been leaving a nation en masse and dispersing across the breadth and width of the globe, how can you hope what you have prescribed would make sense?

          By the way, I have been having you on my mind often about the note I told once that you I will be keeping about what you were going to do after the regime had retaken the Woyane occupied land, and more, in connection to the regime’s behaviour. Do see now that the regime has run of pretext and pretentions of liberation of sovereign land ? Do sense or feel signs the regime has shown any indication towards changing course?

          • Nitricc

            Greetings Ismail; Thank you sir, you are right I have minimized my visit to awate forum. Upon the complete meltdown and the demise of TPLF; I feel Eritrea is safe form the day-light-hyenas and my job was done. To get back to your point, I pray Eritrea won’t allow duel citizenship. I pray! that is the thing, for anyone to be a citizen and exercise your rights, you got pay taxes and the government let you vote, run for public office and the rest. At what logic does any Eritrean who lives, works and pay his or her taxes to the nation they live but decided political path to other nation? Unthinkable, if you ask me. In that case the right thing to do will be, return the citizenship of another country, pay taxes to Eritrean government and then, you may form whatever you want. Eritrea’s misery is buried with TPLF. I really believe that. So, I am looking for some head-turning and jaw dropping political and economic moves. Although; this Tigray think might complicate things and it may cause some delays, but it is coming. This Tigray thing is very fluid, Instead of the Tigryans taking pause and doing soul searching to understand what went wrong and why TPLF was destroyed and why Tigray ended up in the current miserable condition, Tigray activist continue the same path of lies and delusion TPLF used to follow and expect a different result. This will not help Tigray and the tigray people but instead will only prolong the recovery. It seems they disregarded the origin of the war. I really don’t know to what degree this Tigray thing affects Eritrea but I am sure there will be some. Cheer up, Eritrea is looking up!!!

          • Brhan

            Hi Nitricc
            “I pray Eritrea won’t allow duel citizenship” by duel i think you want to say dual?
            The Eritrean Constitution says about citizenship in Article 3: # 2
            2. Any foreign citizen may acquire Eritrean citizenship pursuant to law.
            So if a US citizen wants to acquire Eritrean citizenship, he or she can acquire it , pursuant to law, because also in the US it is allowed to have dual citizenship.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Brhan; You are right, of course that why i meant. I am almost 100% certain that the 1997 constitution is dead and it will be rewrite a new constitution. And i will love the new constitution will omit the about citizenship in Article 3: # 2. there are many thing that should be amend. i will say few thing about what should be revoked from the old constitution. Let’s start with establishing the new parliament. Eritrea has learned very valuable lessons on the last 20 years that will force to rewrite the Eritrean constitution. The 1997 constitution doesn’t reflect the Eritrean value and it society.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Nitricc. Long time, if the eritrean parliament is competent they will allow Dual citizenship with some restrictions for example i.e. having a key government position. For a country that has a large diaspora it isn’t a wise idea, we need to maximise the expertise and financial power of the diaspora. With the right policies the power of the diaspora can accelerate growth. I’ll go as far as to say they are our only hope for escaping poverty.

          • Nitricc

            Selam NewDown; as your name says it, new down is upon Eritrea. Look what happened to Kenya and South Africa. They allowed for Indians to be citizens and sure they benefits financially but they become the second citizens in their own country. Eritrean died and paid dearly to get their independence to be the second citizens on their own country. I don’t see any problem, Eritreans are business savvy and i don’t see any problem. Eritreans all they need is rule of law and farness and good governance. let’s not make the same mistake other Africans countries made. Eritreans will be died twice if they allowed to be the second citizens on their own country. Eritreans didn’t died to be slave on their own country. I disagree with you sir, respectfully. I just want you to think what Eritreans paid.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Nitricc, the comparison between foreign identites like india are different to eritreans. Whose origins lie in Eritrea. A more fair example would be Israel. The situation you have described can be avoided, without denying dual citizenships there can be good policies that bring out the best of both worlds. Youre idea is simply not beneficial, it appeals to the heart. It simply does not benefit eritrea in anyway.

          • Nitricc

            Selam ND; i disagree. I am very confident that Eritreans are able to do what is right. I can see, that you are immersed in to the west political and business practices. All Africans tried it and failed in every aspect of it. I do believe if Eritreans have fair and the rule of law, they can do miracles, They paid dearly and they knew it, trust me. Let me give you a glimpse of it, just three months ago TPLF was talking about how Eritrea is weak and there was no defending force, yet today Eritreans are in Mekele and ruling . why is that sir? think for a change.

          • Brhan

            Hit Nitricc
            You said ‘Eritreans are in Mekele and ruling’.
            Any idea why the Eritrean gov’t denying the above?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Brhan,

            Even you can ask to him (Nitricc) why is convinced now only? I am waiting to read his reply…

            KS..

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            I am very confident that Eritreans are able to do what is right. I can see, that you are immersed in to the west political and business practices.

            Dear brother Nitricc,

            How could you be so sure about this Nitricc? “very confident that Eritreans are able to do what is right. ”

            I think I can say that Eritrea let down the Eritrean & Ethiopian people in the past. You might find this awkward, and you might also say WT*, but I think I have a valid point to ask a question to ppl of the current government/supporter and the anticipated future GiE of Eritrea.

            I don’t know how to go about this, but I will try to give you a hint at how Eritrea should proceed from here by throwing some confrontational question.

            I can probably say luck of planning. Not undertaking an inclusive forum of all parties with the Eritrean development policy or moving forward has led to the unnecessary war to start & proceed in May 1998( Bademe war). This happened very soon after 30 years of bloodiest war ended.

            Eritrea meant to ensure peace and stability in the region after beating one of Africa’s biggest armies (Derg).

            I believe you would agree if I say history is repeating itself to a certain level.

            I am trying to hint at how Eritrea should proceed from here by throwing some confrontational question.
            1) What do you think is Eritrea’s role and strategy to ensure peace and stability in the region?
            2) How long is Eritrea planning to stay in the Tigray region?
            3) What process and plan in place for Eritrea, to make sure that eight years from now another war doesn’t break out among these two people, like the 1998 war.
            4) Is Eritrea going to take the responsibility of looking after North Ethiopia people? Regardless of what’s going on in the southern region of Ethiopia.
            5) How is Eritrea handling the relationship between Ethiopia and Eritrea government. How long is it going to last? Etc etc….

            Regards,
            Reclaim

          • Dongolo

            Selam Reclaim Abyssinia. You ask how long Eritrea is planning to stay in Eritrea? Ethiopia under the TPLF illegally camped in Eritrea 20+ years. Did you ever raise likewise question to the TPLF?

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat Dongolo,

            My question is 2) How long is Eritrea planning to stay in the Tigray region?
            I think you are referring to the disputed border and boundary. I am not referring to that. I am referring to the presence of Eritrea in Tigray?
            FYI, yes, I have always asked for TPLF to stop attacking Eritrea, and Eritrean; and warn them they have made a wrong choice. I also demanded apology and compensation from Ethiopia to Amici’s people for the good of Ethiopia. I think sooner or later, madam president of Ethiopia have to do that.

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • Abi

            Hello Reclaim Abyssinia
            Meles has already apologized for the blunder he made. Eritreans have also reclaimed their properties. I suggest you reclaim your property before you reclaim Abyssinia:)
            Madam President has got nothing to apologize for.
            When are Eritreans going to apologize for the illegal and inhuman deportation of Ethiopians from Eritrea?

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Abi,
            Here’s some enlightenment Friend.

            1) I am not posting personal matter. I am here to discuss national and regional issues and hope someone will address them.
            2)Eritrean reclaimed their property from the good people of Ethiopian (ባላደራዎች). Not things that the banks confiscate, government, and lost; property. Credit to the good people, not to the officials disconnected from people genuine desire.

            3) Are you a spokesperson for madam president? If you are not, please rephrase the statement as an opinion/suggestion. I don’t think you represent … Can you direct me to the doco of the official apology from Meles?

            4) If you haven’t noticed, please see carefully. Abyssinia is in the making, and we are reclaiming
            There is peace in Eritrea.
            Peace will be in Ethiopia.
            Peace coming to Somalia
            Peace will control Yemen.
            There will be peace in Sudan.
            There is peace in Djibouti.
            Peace is in the making, and the name is Abyssinia

            5) “When are Eritreans going to apologise for the illegal and inhuman deportation of Ethiopians from Eritrea?”

            I Don’t think many people agree with your statement (as it’s difficult to see it being practical). Again, I believe the responsibility is mostly on Ethiopia. I know a family deported to Addis and ended up leaving for the USA and died in exile, they are very much missed by their Eritrean friends. They couldn’t even speak Amharic well, but again that family wouldn’t be able to survive in Asmara without their wanted government official father. However, two wrong doesn’t make right.

            I hope people will promote kisses, forgiveness, hugs and apology among themselves in the region than boarders, demarcation, and “Kelel”.
            I also make Dua (ዱዓ) to my Jebha brother and sisters to be accepted and welcomed to their country of birth (እትብታቸው ከተቀበረበት) soon.

            My apology about the long reply.

            With respect,
            Reclaim

          • Abi

            Hello Reclaim Abyssinia
            Thanks for the enlightenment. I’m totally enlightened!!

            I hope your Jebha brother and sisters will be back in Eritrea ( እትብታቸው ከተቀበረበት) soon.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam RA,

            “ I am people first not land First”

            አጽኒዕካ ሓዛ ነዛ ሞጎተ’ዚኣ:: ንመሬት ቀዳምነት ሂቦም: ንህዝብና አዳዳ ሽግርን: ፈቀዶ ዓለም ተበቲኑ: ናይ ዓለም መዛረቢ ገይሮምና እዮም:: ህዝብኻ በቲንካኸ ሃገርካ ከተዕቁብ ይከኣል ድዩ? ናይዝአቶም ነገር ከም ማይ ንዓቀብ ክኸይድ ምፍታን’ዩ:: I hope you know tigrigna well.

            Regard

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selam Dr Amanuel,
            Thanks for pointing that out, “ I am people first not land First”. I think this is applicable to both Eritrea, & Ethiopia; also the current situation with Sudan. Where is @Hayat Adem
            ብናይሽም ምድሪ: ዝበጸኸ ዘምቢታት:
            ምድሪ ምድሪ ክብሉ እዚዮም ጏንታታት
            ስድራና ፋሕ አቢሎም ፈቀዶ ዓለማት
            ዕድሚና ወዲእና ክንአልይ አዝማድና
            ናይ ዓለም መሳለቂን መዛረቢ ገይሮምና
            ተራኢዮ ዘይውዳእ ገምገም ባህሪ ከሎ ዓዲና
            ካብ ቆሓይቶ ዓስብ ዘይውዳእ ባሕርና
            ቢች ሀውስ ምሃለዎ ንኹሉ ዜጋና (@abi@disqus_OpSl7Ee8sN:disqus )
            መሪጾም ክገፉና: ገዛናን ሩሕ ናይስድራና!

            Regards,
            Reclaim

        • Reclaim Abyssinia

          Hi Nitricc,
          It looks like you have been missed so much by your mates.

          Your statement is a valid concept. But it looks like you missed the point. The intention of wanting to be in politics is to serve, protect our security and way of life. Correct me if I am wrong, but you made it sound like there are many personal benefits or made it sound like there is a conflict of interest with your personal or national support you hold.
          Cheers

          • Nitricc

            you made it sound like there are many personal benefits

            It is just profoundly wrong? Who are you to decide the fate of a nation and people from overseas? When you, I don’t mean you but to whoeverhas the nerve to think that.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Nitricc, thank you for your polite answer.
            cheers

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Reclaim Abyssinia,

        The idea is to devise a negotiated or worked out entity that will be tasked to implement an national action opposition program geared to get rid of the authoritarian regime in Eritrea. It is not about a kind of this my way and seek the way that suits you business. The matter is far from vetting qualifications of individuals or groups. The buzz word is who will have vested interest in the demise of the repressive order and replacing it with democratic and peace and social harmony cherishing legitimate system. Briefly stated, the intrinsic value at the core of the idea is how to strike the socio-political balance that embraces national unity that can rally the people and resources for breaking the shackles of the oppressive regime.

  • Eritrea, a non-country, an invalid does not need a government. Least of all, one that has no systems and laws in accordance to its current state.

    As I claim in my book, “Duplicitous MindSets”, “Failure + Excuse = Blame”.

    In the failed country of Eritrea, it is evident failure is based in two angles. One being from inside due to the tyranny it encompassed to the extent it feels it is endowed, whilst the more important second element, a thing people to choose not to consider thinking, is the bewildered, negatively established and non-productive old oppositions that try to claim it with no positive perspectives.

    Relying in these insignificant old oppositions, coming up with ideas that it needs “a government in exile” will produce none. Perhaps the tyranny it is under is probably better than the exiled negative entities, as at least, there is one to blame with clear mandates.

    Considering, I claim that Eritrea will have to return to its original state, taking consideration of its culture, practice, religion and mechanisms, it should go back to be part of Ethiopia from which it would have to start, if it is meant to be independent country, given it is progressed in peaceful ways.

    A failed entity, goes by ways of tyranny inside, blaming the west, America, Woyane of Tigray state in Ethiopia and more. On the outside, the failed old oppositions blaming tyranny encompassed inside and more excuses unexplored.
    check https://SeberAngle.wordpress.com

    • Abi

      Selam Yosief Tewolde
      I understand you are proposing that Eritrea should go back to Mama Ethiopia first, and then, try independence one more time in peaceful ways.
      Definitely, coming from a confused, desperate, and ever opportunist kebessa zombie!!
      የተከበሩ አይተ ዮሴፍ
      እምዬ ኢትዮጵያውያ ጥጋብ ልባቸውን ሲያሳብጥባቸው በሩን በርግደው የሚወጡባት : ሳይመቻቸው ሲቀር በመስኮት ሾልከው የሚገቡባት : ቤት አይደለችም::

      Build The Wall!!!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Yosief,

      You sound a camouflaged messenger of DIA by the virtue of his project. This reminds me the interview of Mesfun Hagos who told us in his interview that DIA asked the politburo what they think if they form a joint government with TPLF. ስለዚ ዮሴፍ ዝሰየሔት ጣይታ ክትቅርበልና አይትፈትን::

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Yosief Tewolde,
      Typical attention seeker in utter distress.

      • saay7

        Hey Ismail:

        The dude is notorious for his “hi….gibberish gibberish gibberish read my book!” posts on social media. It’s the least appetizing way to invite readers to read a book which promises to be even more unreadable than Amanuel Biedemariam’s Sofia Tesfamariamish prose. Ms Karma paid him an early visit in 2021 and his book is de-listed at Amazon and will now be sold at Eritreas “PFDJ community centers”, next to the cold xebhi and warm beer, under a terrible logo with tired slogans.

        Saay

    • Haile S.

      ሰላም ዮሴፍ፡
      ሓደ፡ እንኮ ንስኻ ተረኺብካ፡ ንስቓይ፡ ንመከራ፡ ንስደት፡ ንሞት-ኣብ-መንገዲ፣ እንታይ ክገብራ እየን፡ እንታይ ክበልዓ ክረግጻ፡ ኢሉ ብግልጺ ዝሓስበልን። እቲ ካልእ ገባር-እከይ፡ መልሓሱ ጥዑም እንዳተዛረበ እዩ ዝገብር። ናትካ ሕብእብእ ዘይብላ ስለ ዝኾነት ኦሪጂናለ ኮይና ረኺበያ!
      ወይ ጉድ፡ ወይ ጉድ፡ ኣንቲ እዝኒ
      ጽባሕ እንታይ ኢኺ ከተስምዕኒ?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ግዝያዊ መንግስቲ ክምስረት
    ትካላት ፍትሒ ክስረት
    ኣብ ወጻኢ ዘለኻ ክተት
    ይበሃል ኣሎ

    መታን
    ኣካያዲ ዲጋ ዓዲ-ሃሎ
    ክዕሎ
    ተዳሎ
    ይብል ኣሎ
    ሰዓይ ዲኻ ትብሎ?
    መስለኒ

    ኣንታ
    ምንሽረይ ዝረኣየ ደሎ?
    መታን ምሳኻ ኣለኹ ክብሎ

    ‘ሞ
    ——በሉ ነዚ ርጡብ ጻውዒት
    ——ክሕይል-ክስስን-ክብርክት
    ——ክኽዕብት
    ——ክንርኢ ሰናይ ውጽኢት
    ማና ይዕሰሎ
    ኣሜን

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear brother MM,

      How do you come with very timely poem?

      “ግዝያዊ መንግስቲ ክምስረት
      ትካላት ፍትሒ ክስረት
      ኣብ ወጻኢ ዘለኻ ክተት
      ይበሃል ኣሎ”

      I read it my be X 10

      KS,,

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ኮኾባይ
        ጎይታ ጀበና
        መምህረይ ካብ ኮነ
        ሓደን ክልተን ደኣ
        ምባል ዶ ስኢነ!

        ዝኹሉ ምህሮ
        መምህር ዓዋተ ዘካፍሎ
        ሓደ ዕሽሪት ቆብ ከብሎ
        ናይ ግድን ‘ዩ

        ኮኾባይ ኣርቲስታ
        ናይ ሰላምን ግጥምን ጎይታ

        ፍትሓዊት ቅናት ተጠምጢሙ
        ——ንዓዋተ ግርማ ከልብሳ
        ——ሃገርና ሰላም ክስፍና
        ዘበርከተ እጃሙ
        ሓንትን ብልጽትን ‘ያ ሕልሙ
        ካብ ቀደሙ!

        ጋሽ ኣቢ ተቀበል

  • Dongolo

    Hi saay7.
    1) A unity government in exile is not possible (at least at this stage) as it simply would not be trusted as it would certainly be religiously construed and/or have TPLF imbedded connotation.
    2) Focus on the 1994 congressional list does little good in 2021. Please remember that substantial numbers of the EPLF are within the 48-to-65 age group and are far more likely agents of change as are disillusioned mid-upper level (though not most senior level members) of the the current PFDJ.
    3) Current Eritrea ‘opposition’ still not properly organized to hold major donor bodies such as the E.U., U.S., etc; accountable for the unacceptable status quo in Eritrea. For example, Biden’s administration should be hammered on the U.N.’s total failure in regards to Eritrea. As a major funder to the U.N., the U.S. is fully capable of exerting pressure on U.N. specialized agencies working in Eritrea to openly avail shortcomings and of the PIA/PFDJ regime. It is disgusting to continue to see PR coming from the U.N. Resident Coordinators Office in Eritrea on how hunky dory everything is going.
    4) Since he Eritrean opposition in current form is mistrusted, maybe good to consider setting up a ‘neutral’ Eritrean opposition fund that would go towards hiring a major global PR/Communications firm that would be provide/ adhere to a simple PIA/PFDJ attack stratagem with an aim to hold major donor countries accountable for the deplorable status quo in Eritrea. In such a way, ant Eritrean donating money towards such a cause would know exactly how their money would be used.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dongolo,

      If I understood you properly, you are trying to say two contradicting things simultaneously. On the one hand, you appear to recognize the dire situation in Eritrea for which you seem to argue that the regime has no responsibility; on the other, you try to block any venue leading to changing that dire situation by any legitimate or bona fide Eritrean opposition that can challenge the regime. In other words, you are trying to sell that the cause of the deplorable conditions in Eritrea should be thrown at the door others such as the UN agencies. So much so that you dare to go as far as outsourcing the legitimate right of the Eritreans to strive and change the regime to some identity and colorless entity – be that Eritrean or otherwise. Who would buy such a flagrantly partisan notion?

      • Dongolo

        Selam Ismail AA. Legitimate Eritrean opposition should by all means challenge the regime. However in this regard, conducting business as usual has little chance of achieving success simply as a result of Ideological and religious (real & simply perceived) divisions. Out of the box thinking and strategizing is clearly warranted. One of the few areas where I will give the TPLF credit, was their frequent utilization of well connected PR/Lobbying firms (I.e. SGR LLC). I am not a supporter of the U.N. (Et al specialized agencies), for I have found its behavior atrocious and reprehensible, especially as it pertains to Eritrea. Nonetheless, the U.N. Is a recognized global entity which if properly manipulated/prodded, can be used to promote the cause of the Eritrean opposition and even to accentuate shortfalls of its donor organs in regards to Eritrea.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dongolo,

          Your calm and decent response is highly appreciated. Indeed, no one who understands the anxieties our young nation and its citizen have been enduring is happy with or condones the useless bickerings that has reduced the opposition to a kind of animal herd politics. I agree with you about the loss of focus, which the authoritarian regime has been using to its advantage; and some novelty in doing the opposition business is very much needed. And, I saw Saleh Younis’ proposal in this framework regardless of how it would shape up. Moreover, in general Eritrea and its people have not had justice and fairness serving relation with the UN since its inception, except the referendum of 1993 which our people had imposed through costly struggle.

          The point I tried to drive home to you was that your attention provoking argument to shield the regime from responsibility for the dire situation in Eritrea, and that the cause for that should be sought in shortcomings elsewhere like UN, Woyanes etc. In this way, your line of thinking suggests that Eritrean opposition forces should not challenge the regime in whatever means they can: to the extent that if Eritreans should do it, they should do business through some neutral agency that should behave germane to the regime and the despot at its helm. Ostensibly, thus, your argument attempts guaranteeing continuity and survival of the regime and whatever it represents.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. To the contrary, I do not wish to shield the PIA/PFDJ regime from responsibility for the dire situation in Eritrea for I wish to engage a ‘rationally neutral’ approach in more adeptly expose their shortcomings to the international community, namely major international donor countries, for whom directly & indirectly support the status quo in Eritrea. And, this approach can and should coexist with the normal Eritrean-on-Eritrean opposition approach. The U.N. Is but one body that can be engaged towards this aim. For example, the U.N. Country Management Team (UNCT) in Eritrea cannot even agree on what set of population estimates to use for Eritrea. Donor countries who support U.N. operations in Eritrea should be pressing the UNCT to come up with an agreed population estimate to use for Eritrea that is public knowledge instead for it is of paramount import unity in accurately reporting reporting U.N. Strategic Development Goals. The fact of the matter is that the relationship between the GoE and the UNCT in Eritrea completely lacks transparency and nobody is pressing the UN to come public with major problems that they are facing in their day-to-day relations with the GoE.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Dongolo,

            Based on our past exchange, it seems that you have a great deal of knowledge and good idea to pressure the UN to take it’s roll and work on behalf of the Eritrean people as suppose to “look away” and stay “quite” at best and “shine the image” at worst.

            I think this is one aspect (as you said) to how to pressure the regime and once we have a plan to how to pressure the regime in all aspects, then people such as yourself who have knowledge in certain area can lead that task force.

            So perhaps what would be helpful, may be put your thoughts together and present your ideas in workable / action driven way.

            I agree, if we break down to individual level the “UN representative in Eritrea” as an example, they are getting paid and they don’t mind keeping quite to keep their jobs and enjoy their stay, and let it pass. I am not suggesting they don’t have a principle but it comes down to, at the end of the day, what is important for their own job security and well being.

            But what you are suggesting is, not totally unreasonable and highlighting to focus on the jobs they were paid to do.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            If Eritrea is in a “dire situation” based on your own assessments, then it demand neither a “neutral position” nor does it demand an ambivalent “rationally neutral” individuals to bring the long awaited changes to our suffocated population, for decades.

            Regards

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. What I meant ‘rationally neutral’ approach, is an opposition strategy that would not be perceived as one motivated by religious interests, antiquated ELF vs EPLF war scores, TPLF sympathetic interests, etc.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Then edit your statement as “ I wish them to engage………” if you are referring to the oppositions. The word “them” will change the message of your statement.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Tx. Edits made.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo

            Tx ≠ Thx

            In medical field TX is used for treatment.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Prof. Emma,
            In the signal world can also be a Transmitter 🙂

  • Kaddis

    Selam Saay,

    For the risk of being nosy – I can point one or two point how the Ethiopian opposition got successful.
    The Unitarist EZEMA, Kinijit group and the Federalist Oromo protest –
    The Unitarist EZEMA, Kiniji have invested approx. 90 percent of their resources on convincing foreign interests they are a better alternative to TPLF/EPRDF.
    By foreign interest I mean, the West neoliberals, Eritrea ( and its sponsors the Gulf ( I add Egypt here)
    Now – I strongly believe, they are the real powers leading the election commission, the human rights commission, the attorney general, the president of the courts etc.. for instance, they can overnight sue someone and change the course of the nation
    They are making Abiy do all the dirty works ….will Birhanu settle less than the Presidential position? …let me stop here …
    How do they grab the power? – they never had a large support base locally except a brief moment in 2005 and mostly the Amharic city base.. .but always on the table to negotiate
    How do they stayed relevant? Running ESAT and a strong propaganda within the circles of human rights watch, CPJ etc? they have convinced the West – they are a better alternative to tplf/EPRDF, that their interest will be secured …
    Whether its beneficial to Ethiopia – is another matter. But they have won. 100% on my book
    The Oromo protest – there is nothing you don’t know – except they should have known better trusting Abiy/Opdo while they saw Opdo ‘betrayed’ Tplf big time…there is no way opdo wont betray anyone ( that’s why Isias, Sudan and the Arabs prefer to be present with their army to ensure their promise/ deal is delivered)
    In general – there is lack of discussing geopolitics, including the gulf, articulating their interest and aligning, in this forum or within the (Eri, Ethio) opposition …maybe I am wrong since Awate is almost my only source anything Eri ( used to read Asmarino but its been a while)
    If this doesn’t make sense – don’t bother – take it as I said hi : -)

    • saay7

      Hey Kaddis:

      Always a pleasure to read your perspective!

      I would probably modify your formula for the change in Ethiopia from “the unionist EZEMA, Kinijit group and the Federalist Oromo protest” to add “and the rigid TPLF.”

      It looks like organizations who come to power by shooting their way there always face a choice–reform or die– and they are hard-wired to choose death because they amp up any call for reform to “betraying our martyrs.” I mean, how can you argue with that when people treat to changes of policy as a betrayal of comrades? In the end, they die–whether they are walking dead (like the Castro Syndicate in Cuba, and the Isaias syndicate in Eritrea), or the dying dead (like the TPLF, now waging guerrilla warfare. In 2021. As they did in 1975.)

      I don’t think there is anything nefarious or wrong for EZEMA to tell the West our values are more closely aligned to yours than TPLF is. It is actually accurate, if EZEMA actually believes what it preaches. The Gulf States (and by that I think we should focus only on UAE and Saudi Arabia), I think they are an accident of Trumpist Era, and I am hoping it is a historical anomaly because they are bad news. Egypt’s situation is directly linked to Ethiopia’s muscle flexing on the Nile: if the governments of both countries were directly elected by the people, and governments were actually accountable for the war dead, I doubt they would be as testosterone driven as they are now.

      Speaking of Eritrea, a small country (population-wise) sitting a strategic place, its long-term interest is to have an integrated economy with Ethiopia and Sudan, and polite peace with the rest of the Horn of Africa and nations across the Red Sea. I believe every Eritrean, except the NNNN, know this –but there has not been a platform for Eritreans to express this, and that is one of the reasons for having a government in exile.

      Details to follow.

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        In the current and in the near future (say for instance four decades) of Ethiopian body politics, I don’t foresee a single national party can rally the entire diversified Ethiopian people. Why I am saying, is that, if I am not mistaken, you are hinting EZEMA for which it’s constituents are from the Amara social group could have the possibilities to win election. Reason: their ideological philosophy are closer to the west. The political dynamic of Ethiopia and the current autonomy of the Ethiopian Kilils can not be dictated by the desire of the West. If I misread you, I expect from you more explanation in the details that follows. I also hope your explanation not on what you want, but on what the reality on the ground that bring peaceful landing.

        Regards

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          A tiny correction here
          ኢዜማ የተለያዩ ፖለቲካ ድርጅቶች ስብስብ ሲሆን ሊቀመንበሩ ከጉራጌ ብሄረሰብ ነው::
          እርስዎ እንዳስቀመጡት ኢዜማ የአማራ ድርጅት አይደለም::

        • saay7

          Hi Emma:

          Ah, I think I know where you are going with this. My understanding is, and correct me if I am wrong, no party calling for a unitary state in Ethiopia will have popular acceptance because the consensus in Ethiopia among its political elite is for federated regions.

          I actually think that unlike small Eritrea, for Big Diverse Ethiopia the solution is federalism (not ethnic but regional federalism, with the regions drawn on an ethnic-neutral basis of North South East West.) And I don’t think there is any appetite for a highly centralized Ethiopia anywhere in Ethiopia. What the ezema (Berhanu Nega et al ) people were saying was that under TPLF, Ethiopia has been so focused on the issue of nations and nationalities they encouraged people to forget about this entity this nation state called Ethiopia. That’s a valid critique, when ones ethnicity decided ones fate.

          All these were going to be normal discussions within the political discourse of Ethiopian political opinion until they messed it up with war, (Mad Man Isaiais fingerprints are all over it) taking their country back to the same hell it has always been in: war to forcefully “unify.” All Ethiopian wars in modern times happen when the siren calls of Unitarianism overwhelm the body politic.

          Anyway, the Ethiopians are more than capable to handle that: they still have fearless politicians like Lidetu and Yilkal. We just need to make sure our insane Isaias has nothing to do with it, and while we are at it, that he has nothing to do with anything anymore other than spending the twilight of his miserable years defending himself from counts of crimes against humanity and now war crimes.

          You reap what you sow.

          saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay and Aman H,

            It seems like it is becoming a habit. We are back to the effective of “ask[ing] someone about Eritrea, and it will take them 30 seconds to switch the subject to Ethiopia”.

            In spite of the importance of the impact developments in our immediate neighboring countries can have to us as a nation, Saleh’s initiative to come with timely proposal gave hope to me and to others like me that this time we would reverse gears and focus on our own business.

            It was hoped that the proposal I am referring to carried as intrinsic merit an element of challenging Eritreans, especially the elites among them, that it has become incumbent on every patriotic freedom and liberties loving Eritrea to get involved in the affair of their country whose citizens have been enduring worrisome anxieties about uncertainty the future can have for them in store the midst of gathering tempest. Some of us were looking the matter will attract many formidable opinion makers in this forum. Hence, voicing a concern lest the debate get drifted to side issues such what is going on in our neighborhood.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            I fully understand your concerns. I think somehow Kaddis gravitated us by bringing some info from the political development in Ethiopia. Though, it is tempting to separate the politics of both countries when the state of Eritrea is fully participating in the the politics of Ethiopia, I will try to restrain from indulging in to the Ethiopian politics.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman & saay,

            By all means. Paying attention to what unfolds and transpires in our immediate neighbor is part of our own national security- development imperatives. It is not some sort of academic (broad sense) exercise. We engage with seriously concerned Ethiopian brothers and sisters like Kaddis with genuine mutually beneficial matters in mind. Lest I might have posed as a more concerned than the rest, my point was to keep focus on the important piece on our hand, and try to goad others to engage and broaden the discussion.

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Dear Ismael AA,
            I absolutely agree with you!!

          • saay7

            Selamat Ismailo:

            You know the new ሕንቅል ሕንቅሊተይ?

            What do you call 4 individuals passionately discussing Ethiopia?

            Answer: Eritreans.

            😉

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            ካብ ሕጂ ኒነው “ሕንቅል-ሕንቂልተይ” እንድሕሪ እልካኒ “ተሰናቢተይ” አይብለካን እየ:: just kidding.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Please understand that the Abiy worshippers are trying their best helping this website to focus on Eritrean issues.
            They are staying away from this site so that all the focus and attention will be on Eritrean issues.
            Long Live PMAA!!!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            Let him (Dr.Aman) give you the proper reply. But I am also concerned..

            I also noted the difference and noted too.What are you saying is not true. Check back from which day are away those supporters are …..

            I wish what you said is true..what I am concerned is I have been happy with all of you..All participants including you I hope all will come back.

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            It is time Eritreans discuss Eritrean issues with undivided attention. I was expecting the front page article to attract majority of Eritreans to discuss the merits of this article. It has been a while since I read an interesting article like this one in this forum. Unfortunately and as expected, the discussion is about Ethiopia, Abiy, Amhara…. Nothing changed except the Ethiopians are not participating.
            Apparently, only Ethiopian issues bring Eritreans together.
            “ዞሮ ዞሮ ከቤት” መሆኑ ነው?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            I still want to see Horizon and others to discus on this issue. We all had to talk about this article as we have been discussing about Ethiopian internal issue as you know it. But if you notice back.all was about this university call awate community. The most advanced and to inform,inspire,embolden,and reconcile. Better than other sites..

            KS,,.

          • Kaddis

            My bad Gash Ismail – )
            I wanted to point what worked for the oppositions in Ethiopia and wanted to broaden your focus to talk about the deal makers of the horn. Awate is so matured and tempting to stay quite I must admit – )
            Best wishes

          • saay7

            Selamat Kaddis:

            Whoa, Nelly! I don’t think any Awate administrator or moderator, I don’t even think Ismail is asking Ethiopians to stop talking about Ethiopia. I don’t even think anyone is asking Eritreans to stop talking about Ethiopia at this Regional University. We are only asking that people stop doing that excessively and consuming the entire platform. I, for one, would love to hear from you more often: it would be a change from the monotone of June Tah, July Tah (from Abiyist) and Victory Is Near empty boasting (from the TPLFites.)

            Speaking for myself, of course.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kaddis,

            The intention was not at all to complain about discussing and paying attention to developments in Ethiopia. As a matter of fact Awate.com forum is, and has been, home to all of us -Eritreans and Ethiopians with sincere desire to other nationals in our region like Djibouti to Sudan. Perhaps, you might have been for so long to have noted that I, personally, do have more to say and write more about Ethiopia (due to background of schooling) than other countries in the African Horn region. I always lament absence of participants like Amde and yourself whenever you are missed. My point was limited to keeping focus on the important issue Saleh had tabled.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Thank you for making your view clear for me. Let me add few points to your well grounded opinion. As a matter of fact Federalism structured on regions is a “harmonizing system” and a solution for diversified and “harmonized society”. Now if we focus on (a) a harmonizing system (b) a harmonized society as key factors to determine as to wether “Regional Federalism” is applicable to the reality of Ethiopia, then I will say astoundingly No. Because (a) the social groups who are at each other’s throat to the extent of ethnic cleansing (b) social groups who have deep hate and grievances at each other, regional federalism is indeed unrealistic at this point of their history. It asks a considerable of time of cooling being administered under the current “Federal system” with some amendments in their current constitution (a) on devising a clear distinction on the power of the states and the central government (a) removing the clause “ self determination up to secession” in the constitution to emphasize unity in diversity.

            At this point they have tasted the autonomy of governing themselves under the current system. You can’t take away from a child once you entertain him with something he loves to enjoy it. And therefore, until they create “favorable conditions” for regional federalism – conditions (a) subsiding their hate of each other (b) establishing their interdependence and understanding their interrelation for living together (c) developing mutual respect for the hostile social groups who are at each other’s throat. Without these political conditions, Regional Federalism is not practical.

            Second, Lidetu is a savvy Ethiopian politician, that I saw after the pragmatic politician Meles Zenawi.

            Regards

      • Kaddis

        Selam Saay

        Yes, the rigidity of TPLF, paranoia to be exact, is what brought 2018, tplf pushed out. Not allowing a single formidable entity ( not a single CSO or party or media, even government body) to function, like rejecting personalities like Lencho Letta who risked to fly in to Addis by himself and its endless violent response to any opposition left tplf itself, and tigray by extension, with no entity to get protection. Not even a single open lobby when attacked by multiple forces. I am not sure if they could avoid the November war ( cancelling election some say, I say I don’t think so) since the preparation by Isias ( for 20 years, partnering with G7 ESAT propaganda to justify the current war for the last + 10 years ) and Abiy for 3 years was uninterrupted. It takes a lot of closer look including የሽምግልና efforts by Haile G/Selassie etc interviews ….to be certain.

        However – you can see the parallels in Somalia with Isias mentorship, election ignored wasting 4 years of time to prepare and now servicing ciaos. Tigray war was inevitable the day Isias came to the seen.

        I am also okay with EZEMA if they play in the open rather than using the government power ( like Ehapa and Meison times ) to get rid of their opponents violently and using legal tricks to repeat the cycle of TPLF’s mistakes; alienating the federalist, identity based, powers and dominate with Unionist ideals. Like your reply to Gash Aman below this is taking Ethiopia back to the wars of the 70s and 80s. Another down side of relying on almost exclusively on foreign support is, eg. Ezema is tight-lipped on the expansions of wars, involvement of Isiais army, the Gulf politics etc… lets see if they will manage to translate their external support to internal.

        I also hope the gulf sudden and violent pivot to the horn is relieved by US designing a proper horn policy ( special envoy good sign) which was non-existent during Trump; rather we were outsourced. Look forward to read the details of your plans and encourage you to use the momentum as the West ( more clearly Europe ) seems to look for alternative voices in Eritrea that can be engaged in some sort of multilateral space. Go for it.

        • Mez

          Good day Kadis,

          Please make no mistake; TPLF pushed out itself from the political game. No one else’s fault; it is squarely their own fault.

          Thanks

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    BLM and Antifa protesters took to the streets in the nation’s capital, D.C., Saturday night. A video posted by independent videographer Brendan Gutenschwager shows the marchers moving through what appears to be a residential neighborhood chanting, “If we don’t get it, burn it down.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/02/07/blm-antifa-protesters-chant-burn-it-down-during-march-through-nations-capital/

    • Dongolo

      Selam Simon Kaleab. It is absolutely crazy what BLM and Antifa get away with; double standards glaringly visible.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam Saay,

    This is a well meaning article.

    But, what is the root cause of lack of unity among the opposition?

    • saay7

      Selamat Simon:

      The root cause of the lack of unity among Eritrean opposition is the same among every opposition in the world: divergent world view, loss of confidence in leadership, evolving views, etc. My view now is it’s less useful to analyze it and pressure it to unify, because history shows the minute the pressure is lifted it un-unifies.

      Our focus, I argue, should be to help create a platform for them to work together as equals without forcing them to give them their identity. But, we also need to raise the barriers to entry so that no two-man crew, no disgruntled chieftain can claim to be a party at parity with our great historical ones.

      saay

  • Semere Tesfai

    1. – “This author had argued before that the solution is a “democratic coup”: meaning, for the ruling party to reset itself and set the country on a path to democracy. [But, but, but……]…… It is important that the [newly formed] EPLF Central Committee [in exile] know that it cannot do anything on its own. Therefore, its resolutions must be opposition-friendly. What that means is part of the agenda of the Organizational Congress must be to study and evaluate the blueprints that have been issued by various political organizations over the last 20 years (leave the arrogance to the PFDJ at home) and arrive at decisions with the assumption that it will be forming a United Front with the other groups. In a land ravaged by Isaias Afwerki’s sadism and a pandemic….. it is time that

    A. – The Eritrean Diaspora assume more of the responsibility

    B. – For a Unity Government in Exile

    C. – This must be pursued with a sense of urgency

    D. – It must be started and finished before May 24, 2021: Eritrea’s 30 anniversary of Independence “

    Wow! Few points here:

    A. – Please, please, please leave the Whiteman along. The Whiteman has enough problems on its plate – China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, COVID-19, sluggish economy, double digit unemployment………….. The last thing the Whiteman needs at this time is another Regime Change Project

    B. – I know the Whiteman is known for recruiting and gathering vindictive losers, disgruntled sellouts, traitors, and opportunists from the streets of London, Paris, NY, DC………. and introduce them and market them to the world as an “Interim Government in Exile”. Case in point: Mustafa Abdul Jilil’s Libya’s Interim Government inexile, Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi Interim Government in exile, Hamid Karzai’s Afghan Interim Authority in exile, Juan Gerardo’s Venezuelan Interim Government in exile, Aung San Suu Kyi of Myanmar……. But, but, but Eritrea is not Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Myanmar in terms of strategic importance and natural resources. Besides, the Whiteman been paying for your (opposition) travel hotel lounge to Ethiopia, London, German, US cities, Kenya…….. for twenty long years. What more do you need – short of invading and occupying the country – which is not going to be “pursued with a sense of urgency” for the reasons mentioned above.

    2. – “It is important that the [Christian] EPLF Central Committee [in exile] know that it cannot do anything on its own. Therefore, its resolutions must be [Muslim] opposition-friendly. What that means is part of the agenda of the Organizational Congress must be to study and evaluate the blueprints that have been issued by various political organizations over the last 20 years (leave the [bigoted] arrogance to the PFDJ at home) and arrive at decisions with the assumption that it will be forming a United Front with the other [Muslim] groups.”

    Saleh, Saleh Saleh: the more you say the more………….. Anyway…….
    If that’s the case ….. EPLF = Christians and ELF = Muslims, and if you don’t have much confidence about the EPLFits in the Diaspora to do the right thing, then why don’t the “other groups” deal directly with the other arrogant bigots at home? I suppose urgent that the call of duty is, it would’ve been easier and faster; wouldn’t it be?

    3. – On a lighter note, let me share with you a little of my experience with regards to the concept of “forming a government in exile”. In August 1976, after he spent a year with his family in Sweden (frozen by ELF leaders), Hirui Tedlla Bairu came to the Eritrean Field with ማይ ዘጠዓመ brand new political proposal on a piece of paper. And a copy of Hirui’s proposal was given to my department in order, the senior and junior political cadres of the department to evaluate the merit/demerit of his proposal. Well, Hirui came one night to our department and started explaining his proposal. We asked him simple straightforward questions: Who will recognize our government in exile? Who will open the doors of OAU (AU), UN, SC for us? Whose government official recognition would we get by announcing “a government in exile”? Who will give legitimacy to the Eritrean Government in exile? – the Eritrean people or some foreign powers? If foreign powers then who? And he didn’t had any substantive coherent answer.

    Now let me ask you a question assuming you’ve better answer than my Hurui experience. In your opinion:

    A. – Who gives legitimacy for any given Eritrean government – the Eritrean people or some foreign powers? If foreign powers then who?

    B. – Why is it so urgent – that “it must be pursued with a sense of urgency: it must be started and finished before May 24, 2021: Eritrea’s 30 anniversary of Independence”?

    C. – If this Unity Government in exile doesn’t happen before May 24, 2021, then what happens? Will Eritrea and Eritreans cease to exist?

    Semere Tesfai

    • saay7

      Hey Semere:

      Ah, now I see why you “quote” people in long blocks: all the more reason to insert words the author did not say (Christian, Muslim): your single obsession in Eritrean politics, when you are not defending people who committed crimes against humanity.

      That is not debate in good faith so: ይርዳእካ my brother.

      saay

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Semere Tesfai,

      Aside from the by now quite familiar fixation of your Christian/Muslim; Kebesaa/MetaHt ; majority/minority state of mind, the short answers to your questions are:
      # 1 – Of course the Eritrean people; foreign powers support or desist from supporting in accordance to interests;
      # 2 – You should know the answer, unless you are in search of some intelligence related hint.
      # – Nothing will happen, except that the suffering of our people will further exasperate. What will happen is people like the author would embark on looking at other alternatives.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Semere Tesfay,

      Before Saay gets back to you on his proposal, let me try to answer to your simple questions you asked him at the end of your comment.

      (A) the recognition of the “Eritrean people” and the “international communities” are very important for the success of “government of national unity in exile.” You need recognition from both. The objectives are (1) to establish an alternative government to the current criminal PFDJ government (2) to garner recognition in the international stage to harvest political and material help.

      (B) The sense of urgency of the matter is to save the lives of our people from the grip of the beast and its Necropolitics.

      (C) If the “Unity government in Exile” could not happen within the timeline of the author, it means the process demands more time to happen, and therefore, extend the time period as required. Eritrea as sovereign nation will continue to exist, if we foil the conspiracy of the despot – the criminal you never have failed to defend.

      Regards

  • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

    Selam Saay,

    Shortcuts are not desirable, but could at times, be indespensable. I had a nagging instinct that your proposal was meant to provoke a debate due to our persistent lack of radical, creative and dynamic responses.
    There are many caveats to your proposal. On the other hand, we haven’t come up with a viable alternative course of action that could stop the systematic decimation of our country and people. Do you think that both ELF and EPLF leaders could break the old ” gedli mentality” and share power with the people? How could any initiative that doesn’t embrace a large segment of the population, namely the young, could succeed? Don’t you think circumscribing any initiative to a handful selected group would create more divisions than enhancing unity? There could be genuine Eritreans within these groups who could lead the transitional unity government. Shouldn’t this government come out of a broader discourse? Since timing is the essence, I fully agree with your timeframe.

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Selamat Dear Awate Community,

    It has been such a long time since I posted on your discussion board, and I am sure I haven’t been missed much :).

    As you all know, it has been a hectic time for our region in the last 100 days or so. The recent Negaret youtube video brought back my interest to Awate and got my undivided attention.

    I am dropping by your site to ask a question. My question is whether the Eritrean troops should stay or leave Tigray during this disastrous time?

    I personally strongly believe that Tigrayan activist should be happy with the Eritrean troops to stay in the Tigray region until the region get their act together. But, I am not sure if the Eritrean opposition group agree with this idea or oppose.

    In my opinion, many people in northern Tigray are of Eritrean origin. Places like Adigrate and Enticho(እንካ ጨው) have many Saho’s and Tigrigna people from generations, and this should be given some consideration to all the patriotic people out there.

    I think the Eritrean government should look after the Northern Tigrayan people, and any aid should be allowed to enter the region through Eritrea.

    I somehow believe Eritrean diaspora meant to be asking Eritrean government to allow for food Aid to enter through Eritrea without any delay, instead of playing it politics.

    Hope to hear your opinions on this matter.

    Regards,
    Reclaim

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Reclaim,

      I think if the relationship is based on good neighbourly people, there is no reason Eritreans will not extend the helping hands. It doesn’t even matter if the people share ethnicity, religion or what ever, it’s the right thing to do.

      I can tell you there isn’t any Eritrean who wants to see the Tigray people or Ethiopian people suffer, not before, not now and not in the future.

      The problem I think it’s all stemming from, Abisinia, Agazian, andinet, Tigray-Tigrinya, qolqal that seems to either come from those Tigray elite, or those Eritreans who are divided hearts.

      Even Isayas Afeworki, as cruel as he has been to the Eritrean people, he has never done / inflict harm against Tigray or Ethiopian people for that matter. You can look at his 50 plus years records to make your own judgement.

      Having said that, if Eritrea is not allowing aid, it may be there is something the Isayas / Abiy government wants to hide.

      Berhe

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Dear Berhe Y, Thank you for your response.

        I hope this time there will be an excellent neighbouring relationship.

        I agree that no Eritrean that I know of want to hurt Tigray’s people in any way. Even most of the Amici’s. On your other paragraph, I do not know any Eritrean with ‘divided hearts’ so far.

        From what I hear on the news, I think Eritrea will have a new boarder map for a few years ahead of us.
        I hope this will not look like provocative, but I think as long as people’s welfare is looked after, everything should be ok if Eritrea is not attempting to go further south.

        https://ibb.co/wzrjCBW

        Cheers,
        Reclaim

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Reclaim,

          “ no Eritrean that I know want to hurt Tigray people any way.”

          You can’t be sure about this statement, for the accounts of Tigray people on the ground contradicts to your statement.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat, Amanuel,
            Yes, I can not be sure about my statement;

            This shouldn’t be interpreted as in a scientific research way. It’s more like referring to the people surrounds me, than being particular about it.

            What’s on the ground is undoubtedly ugly!

            It is the ugly side of a war. War by its nature is devastating. I haven’t seen a war that doesn’t have a catastrophic effect on people.

            That is the reason nations and responsible body should avoid war by any means necessary.
            I need to stop here. Who am I kidding? Lecturing Eritrean, Tigray, Ethiopian about war?

            Can I call it ‘Inherently act of choice?’
            Thanks,
            Reclaim

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Reclaim,

            Yes indeed “war is an act of choice”. But there are always justifiable and unjustifiable wars. Our war of independence is one of the justifiable choices. The current war in Ethiopia is one of the unjustifiable war choices, and worse of it, it is a war of ethnic cleansing.

            Regards

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Reclaim,

          I am glad you feel that way and hopefully with time, some change of government in Eritrea, I hope we will be able to heal. I don’t think Eritrea has any ambition to control land that does not belong to her (Even IA has been consistent on this stand) and there is no Eritrean who would want otherwise. By this I mean, if it makes a lot of sense, any things can be resolved with negotiations and open boarders that does not harm the well being of the people, for example the boarder with Sudan / Eritrea (it’s meaningless) and I hope to see a day like that with Ethiopia/ Tigray.

          I can tell you there are few Eritreans who appear in the media such as Tigray Media house, Assena TV or other many franchise who are fueling the hate, in the name of speaking on behalf of the Tigray people. For example, Yosief Ghebrehiwet is one of them, who has the divided heart. Advocating for the well being of of Tigray people, calling for Eritrean government to withdraw and not interfere is one thing, but to accuse blindly of all the crimes and put the blame on Eritrea is creating future proof hate and revenge. I am not saying there isn’t any truth at all, but until everything is verified and confirmed it’s hard to accept it as facts.

          Personally I think, the call should be directed primary on the government of Ethiopia and the Abiy government should be held responsible.

          I am so glad to learn from some of the notable activist from Tigray, they are telling them to “shut up and mind their own business”. They are telling them, they are creating and fueling hate towards the Eritrean people, who for good of bad they have to live as neighbors one way or another. By the way, this also goes to other way, for those Eritreans who should mind their own business but they are fueling the hate day and night on behalf of Ethiopian people.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Berhe,
            You’ve got it all covered. This is brilliant.. you also covered both the Old/New mindset. I believe a new ‘Mindset’ is required to address emerging needs.

            Old Mindset:- “Eritrea has any ambition to control land that does not belong to her.”

            New Mindset:- “open borders that does not harm the well being of the people.”

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    A series of 12 political cartoons:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cartoons-slideshow

    • Ayneta

      Simon:

      Your source is Fox? Fox is the worse version of Eri-TV. Nothing true comes out of it. It may be the the reason for the eventual downfall of the US as we know it.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Ayneta,

        You said, everything Fox News says is false.

        In this case, can you pick out one of the cartoons and demonstrate its falsehood?

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Abu Salah,

    Despite I welcomed to your well meaning proposal, allow me to give my own appraisal to it, hoping to improve to its overall application in the Eritrean body politics. As a clinical observer by training and as a practitioner in the Eritrean body politics for decades, I will use both experiences to evaluate the “content” and “intent” of your “loosely packaged proposal.” Loosely, because of the amorphous nature of Eritrean politics (No fault on your side). Why did I want to see your proposal clinically? because you are looking a “remedy” to the sick Eritrean body politics. Why did I want to see your proposal politically? because you tried to find a “structural solution” to the Eritrean body politics. That is why you deserve appreciation to your attempt.

    Content & Intent of the Proposal:-

    CONTENT: As the title depict – is to form “Unity government in exile” and how it should be structured. You also foresee only two viable parties from past political organizations, namely the EPLF and ELF.

    INTENT: to reconstitute the various EPLFites entities and unities who oppose the PFDJ party into one viable party, irrespective their current alliances and their merger with other political entities; In the process to form a “Unity Government in Exile” with the other non-EPLFites, namely the ELFites.

    My Appraisal:-

    As I have stated above, I will try to approach clinically and politically to see the essence of your proposal. To elaborate my point, I will recall and take you back in 1976. Myself and a close colleague of mine, who were identified as proponent of unity, discussed on the issue of unity of the two Orgs and came up with a topic ” how organizations could split and merges together.” We brought this topic for debate to an orientation of “social-worker-trianees” in the department of social affairs. It was during the splitting of ELF-PF (Hizbawi Hailetat) into two organizations. It was a hot debate of full emotions. The role of us (me and my colleague) was to flash out the causes of the splits in the process to identify the merits and demerits of the splitting, and suggest the possible remedy to it. In the second day before we bring our suggestion to thee floor, we were told to stop it from the head of the department.

    My point from the story is, unless we assess the existing organizations and their political behaviors it is difficult to prescribe a remedy to their malaise. This is not to discourage to you and your proposal but to alert you and your readers, that if in case your proposal does not work or does not mimic an appetite to the stakeholders, it means there were prerequisites to your well meaningful proposal to clear the ground for it.

    second, I agree the Eritrean body politics to have only two political parties. But the way how they evolve in to two parties should take its natural process of evolving and merging along two ideological philosophies. Constituting the old front members in to their respective parties might not bring a healthy political atmosphere to the Eritrean body politics. Think about it.

    Third, your proposal didn’t take in to consideration the great majority of our youth who are not part of the two political culture, who in fact , are considered the receivers of the torch to lead and build future Eritrea.

    Fourth, the time line to finish this grand project before May 24, 2021 is extremely short. The time frame, let alone to finish the whole process of the project, it is not even enough to debate on it and to come to a “conceptual agreement” to turn it in to practical solution

    PIONTS OF HIGHLY IMPORTANT FROM THE PROPOSAL:-

    1 – The grand project “Unity Government In Exile”.
    2 – Merging the various political entity in to two viable political parties.
    3 – The urgency on the need of the issue he brought up.
    4 – The author’s indefatigable effort in search of solutions.

    Saay: great job with some amendments going forward with it,.

    With great respect.
    Amnanuel Hidrat

    • saay7

      Selamat Emma:

      That areas we agree on are so many that I will focus on the areas we disagree on, in no particular order:

      1. Time: we are in early February and I am proposing the project be done in late May. That is almost 4 months. As you know better than me, the most time-consuming part of convening organizational congresses is the preparatory committee identifying who the invitees are, what the agenda is, what papers to present and the logistics. I believe I addressed all in the brief essay.

      Yes these organizations have a history of going at slow pace (constantly rescheduling congresses), but the information I have is that there is no time based on the internal Eritrean dynamics (a most proud people telling anyone listening that they are starving; an out of control COVID19 exasperated by the stupid war resulting in shutting down or Orota Hospital) and the regional (not only the Ethiopian civil war but Sudan’s appetite for war: they are now in the outskirts of Gonder) and the like-clock-work stupidity of Isaias who will only make things worse. So the time cannot he adjusted although everything else could.

      2. Youth: I was genuinely and pleasantly surprised by the reception to the article including from our youth who hosted a reading and discussion forum for it. Other Eritreans much too young to remember ELF or EPLF are thinking along the same lines. The idea itself is not new: Herui T Bairou and Adhanom have proposed it. What’s new now is the state Eritrea finds itself in and the ruling regimes total refusal to undertake any reforms.

      3. The purpose of EPLF and ELF is that (a) mainstream Eritreans consider both as legitimate and authentic grassroots orgs, (b) if done right, the idea of each congress is to elect its leadership from a congress which is one of the few means to get legitimacy. Yes there are many who consider both orgs historical relics and not their homes. This is fine because they will either have to be fellow travelers of one or the other or truly describe what they are: civil society. Those who choose to be a political party vying for power will have to have their own congress, elect their own leadership and ask acceptance from the Eritrean people. The days of the two man organizations should be relegated to an odd period in our history. In any event, by definition a “unity gov” is temporary and transitional in nature.

      Thanks Emma! And I am grateful for your service to Eritrea.

      saay

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Hi Saay,
        What’s blocking you from setting up this government in exile? You have so much advantage over many of the relatively known Eritrean politicians and you [and all of us] have higher probability to succeed [I know, I know, [ኣፈይ ይስዓር].
        You have so many followers [directly proportional to be chosen] and you have no ሕማቕ ታሪኽ to worry. Done!
        A piece of advice: when you set up the team around you, make sure to consider these:
        1. Your VP need to be ሳምራዊት ወይ ሳይሞን ወይ ስላስ ወይ ሳሮን. No ስዒዳ or ሰሚራ ኮታ [መኒኻ ትብሎ ‘ዶ መሲለ?]። This will shut up the Qannon people.
        2. ካርታ ኤረትራ ኣጽንዕ። ካብ ኩሉ ኩርናዓት ተወከልቲ ክትመዝዝ is hard requirement. Complainers will be out of excuse.

        3. Learn to use simple words and statements [they don’t have to make sense]. Why do you think ~50% of them love Trump. They can understand nonsense. Eliminate elite words.
        4. ባንዴራ ምጉልባብ is optional
        5. Doesn’t hurt to eliminate some words like ሓርነት/ፍትሒ/ግንባር/etc. from the ግዝያዊ መንግስቲ ዝትከል for now. This will be inclusive to the people who are fed up with it[ specially young ones]
        My 2 cents.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear MM.

          Yes I agree with you in all except in the bellow one.
          “1. Your VP need to be ሳምራዊት ወይ ሳይሞን ወይ ስላስ ወይ ሳሮን. No ስዒዳ or ሰሚራ ኮታ [መኒኻ ትብሎ ‘ዶ መሲለ?]። This will shut up the Qannon people.”

          It just early to say so since we had time. and it is not possible to finalize it.

          Say7 is sharp and very professional. I am sure he will come with more advanced proposal by reading our comments and ideas including yours. He has understand words unlike trump and even others American leaders like that Biden to be honest with you.

          I am optimistic form him now everything will be fixed.

          KS

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ኮኾባይ, ዓቢ ሰብ!
            ገሊኡስ ከም መማቕርቲ [ጨው: ዘይቲ: ኮሚደረ: መሰልቲ] ጌርካ ውስዶ 🙂

        • Ayneta

          Merhaba MM:

          That was hilarious, but at the same time true. SAAy has my vote should he decide to run.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thanks, ዓይነታ!
            You see, your huge followers are now going to vote for Saay [per your endorsement]!

  • Ayneta

    Merhaba Awate and SAAY:

    The new Biden administration may be an asset in this endeavor to mold an alternative government in exile. The US embassy in Asmara has openly called for withdrawal of Eritreans troops from Tigray. Judging from past behavior of the regime, I don’t expect it to comply with this request which will likely lead to to erosion of relations between the two countries which may be exploited by the newly proposed government in exile to cement their needs and avail itself as an alternative.

    Speaking of letting former EPLFers take the lead to form a government in exile salvage, where is the-one-and-only-one Mahmmuday? It has been some time since I saw him here at Awate. I had disagreements with him about certain issues, but he had impressed me as a fair guy though he got increasingly irate when he was challenged on his ill-grounded support for the regime at end of his time here. His latest commentary on Mezerem.net was truly well balanced and authentic. I hope he comes back and share his thoughts about this particular topic given his background as an ex EPLF fighter.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awate people

    SaaY, thank you for targeting ዝሰረተ ውግእ ሓድሕድ!

    ንዑ ኤርትራውያን ሓዲኡ ንግበሮ
    ነዚ ውግእ-ሓድሕድ ዝበሃል በሰሮ
    ንህረሞ ብርከ-ብርኪ እግረ-እግሪ ኩሪኹሮ

    ፊደል ዝቆጸረ ዘይቆጸረ ገይሩና ደንቆሮ
    መሳርሒ ዘይብልና ብዘይካ ጎሮሮ
    ዝበርህ ሽምዓ ውሽጢ ዕትሮ

    ነባር ተጋደልቲ፡ ፍሽኽ በሉ ፍትሕዎ ይትረፍኩም ግንባረ-ዕጣሮ
    ዝተኣስረ ገጽ፡ ዝተኾርመየ መንኩብ፡ ንርኣዪን ሰማዒን የደናግሮ
    ንኣያ ኣብ ክንዲ ኣርኣያ መቑረጽ ተስፋ ይገብሮ
    ሕሰብሉ ሓዲሽ ትውልዲ ዝር’ከቦ ተውርስዎ ዝምሃሮ
    ዛንታ ባእስኹም ይኹን መላገቢ፡ ኣብ ክንዲ በሎ ዓጽሙ-ስበሮ

    ንዑ ሐሒዝኩም ነናይ ባዕልኹም ጭዃሮ
    ነዚ ዘይተዃዕተ መሬት ክንፍሕጥሮ
    ንውግእ-ሓድሕድ ንሓዋሩ ክንቀብሮ
    ኣጎድጒድ ኣቢልና ልዕሊ 5 ሜትሮ

    ኣሸጊሩና እንዳተንስአ ካብ ፈቐዶ ጎቦ ስንጭሮ
    ስለ ዘይስኣነ ብሕነ ሕንሕነ ዝጉዝጎዞ ዘፍቅሮ
    በጃኹም ዝሓንጸጽናዮ ተመሊሽና ኣይንጻሕትሮ

    ንዑ ምጹ ሒዝኩም ዝከኣለኩሞ ናይ ሓሳብ ዕታሮ
    ዘዘምጻእናዮ መታን ጥዒምና ከነስተማቕሮ
    ብዙሕ ሓዊ ኣይተህርምዎ ካየሕርሮ
    ሱር ወዲ ሱር ኣይተብዝሑ ካየዐርዕሮ
    ጦቕ ትርር ዝበለ ግና ምቁር ከም ዘይቅዓነ ሽሮ
    ኣብ ክንዲ ብጓሂ፡ ብታሕጓስ ክትስንብድ፡ እዛ ወይዘሮ
    French Goddess ትበሃል Marianne፡ ናህና ንስመያ መዓሮ

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Saay,

    Thank you for your article. I was suppose to come back to you and Beyan last time around but have not, sorry. I don’t think it’s that important as I was going to ask you and Beyan and others what is that we should do for us Eritreans.

    It seemed that you are already far ahead as usual and come up with this article. It’s a great idea and I always like what you propose.

    One thing I can say is, you gave very short but achievable time lines and instead of leaving for the EPLF to organize, if it would make sense to pick up the phone a couple of those G-15 or other notable members to read your article (if they haven’t already) and give it a try.

    This will defiantly clear a lot of air at at least in principle we have people with similar vision. Even though I think the whole EPDP was for that type of exercise but there was a lot of distraction in the way, which I hope we had learned a lot from.

    I also think the opportunity of succeeding this time is better, considering where things stand with regards to the call / pressure the Eritrean government is facing for it’s involvement. I believe the western countries would defiantly see an alternative to the current government in a very positive way, I think.

    On a different note, I think the campaign of blame is going to the wrong direction.
    1) First it was Abiy Ahmed and his army against the ethenic Tigray people and tried to framed as an ethenic war (which I did not agree). I don’t think that got much traction and all the sudden I don’t hear much about that. If that was the objective, how has that changed right now.

    2) Now it seemed that it has shifted the blame towards Eritrea/ Isayas government and responsible for all the things that’s going wrong in Tigray. Not only that, they are trying to divide the Eritrean people / army who is doing what, what religion, what region and even what they look like.

    3) I find it really sad, that Eritreans are self admitting and advocating and intensifying the campaign of the blame. By no means I am trying to deny any wrong doings, but I think, those who believe they can speak for Eritrea, are creating a lasting hate and animosity towards the two people. Way long when the regimes are gone, the Tigray people will remember and use the words of the Eritreans to justify what ever actions / reaction they need to take.

    Let’s compare this to what Ethiopia did in Somalia in 2005, in the name of fighting terrorism. They have displaced, burned, destroyed many things and cause a human catastrophe. Have any Ethiopian, any Tigrayan for that matter blamed their own government and people? Where they involved in the campaign of dividing Ethiopian along their ethnic lines, and blame the Tigray people while leaving the Harer people innocent. No I don’t think so, because they blame only the Ethiopian government. Now that the government that was in power is gone, they were able to pick up a good relation ship with government that comes.

    I wanted us to think in the same way and blame the government in Eritrea who is in charge but we should be careful to assign blame on the people who have no control of their own to do anything about it (I am not saying that you have).

    And it’s really, really hurtful to see Tigray Media, Yosief Ghebrehiwet to recieve any praise as they are on the campaign and the primary source of the blame gave and hate inflicting mission.

    Sorry this is not related to your article but I thought I would share what I think….

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ‘ታ መስርሕ ናይ ኢሳይስ
    ሓንትን-ንጽርትን ካብ ሰብዓታት
    እሰር-ቅተል ክኢላታት
    ትቐታሊ
    ድሕሪ ሓጺር እዋን
    ናብ ዝዃዓትካያ ጉድጓድ ምድርጋም
    ከመይ ደኣ!

    ሃንዳሲ ‘ቲ መስርሕ ሓደ
    ተዋሳእቲ ይጠፍኡ በብሓደ
    ስለዚ ‘ዩ በሊሕ-ሰብ ዝወሓደ
    ኣበይ ክርደኦም ሰብ ዕደ!

    ትጌጋና
    ንጉስ-ኢሳይስ ስለዘይበልና
    ስደት ኴኑ ናብራና

    Virtual መንግስቲ ኣብ ወጻኢ
    ሕራይ!
    ግን… ግን የ ‘ደልኩ
    ድሮ ‘ኳ ተትኺሉ ‘ዩ
    ብኦሮሞ ዋላ ‘ምሓራይ

    ተዘይሰሚዕኩም frequency ቀይሩ
    “ኣማይሮን ቶኮ ማይ ጀልከባ ረድየቱ ኢትዮጵያ”
    ካብ በሉ
    ዓሰብ ‘ዩ መዓስከርና ካብ በሉ
    ህግደፍ 2.0 ደኣሞ ናበይ ‘ዮም ከብሉ?

  • Some communist guy

    Dear Saleh,
    What a proposal ! You know what? Let’s go for it.

    For the sake of precision:
    27 is dead (Witchu)
    49 is dead (Musa Rab’a)

    And you forgot five members of the CC:

    Yusuf Sayiqh
    Yusuf Sayiqh (2)
    Zahra Jaber

    Zemhret Yohannes

    Zemzem Abdella

    I know the name “Yusuf Sayiqh” appears twice but the 75-members’ list i have is an official ERIGOV document (1994).
    Except for Yusuf Sayiqh (2), all the others are barely active in Asmara, namely in :
    – PFDJ Central Zone branch

    -Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    -PFDJ Research and Documentation
    -NUEW

    Best regards

    • saay7

      Hello you commie guy you:

      All the formatting errors are mine, not the publishers. Basically, I published the article in two places and the table formatting did not carry through.

      The bold color is supposed to represent everyone who is not in active service of PFDJ either because they are dead, exiled, imprisoned or frozen. It is a damning testimony to the hollowness of the org and its toxic culture of exclusion and retribution to anyone who doesn’t “yes sir” Isaias 100% of the time. An institution that accuses so many of its own members of being traitors and quislings is a cult, not a political organization.

      On the 75th, I have received a tip that the missing individual is Ibrahim Totil, which makes sense for many reasons.

      saay

      PS: For all who are interested, young Eritrean activists are having a discussion on the article at Clubhouse today at 6:00 EST (3:00 PST) today. Clubhouse is an audio social media… I only heard about it last week myself when Elon Musk was interviewing the CEO of RobinHood (the investment house) as it relates to the Game Stop stock wars of populists vs shorters. When I asked more about Clubhouse, a young Eritrean activist told me “Africans dominate the platform, but the Horners [Horn of Africa] usually embarass themselves because we are so toxic lord of infighting. But the discussion of your article should be solid.”

      Phew! I hope our tortoises will adjust their pace!

      • Some communist guy

        Dear Saleh,

        I can only concurr with the following quote: “An institution that accuses so many of its own members of being traitors and quislings is a cult, not a political organization.”

        The ELF and EPLF were political organizations, the PFDJ was meant to become something devoted to Isaias. (Something I find quite sad is that many current or dissolved opposition parties are/were also following the same pattern).

        Best regards,

        the “commie”

        (PS: You using the expression “commie” displays how yankee you’ve become 😀 )

  • Ayneta

    Merhaba SAAY:
    Your proposal for the formation of a unity government in exile is perhaps the only thing left to salvage the country from self-inflicted implosion. The current behavior of IA to send troops to Tigray and commit war time level crimes against civilians, and using Somali troops to do its dirty maneuvers should act as the last call for action before ‘the camel breaks its back’’. The madman in Asmara is high on high intensity steroids, and the withdrawal phase can be catastrophic.

    Of course, this is easy said than done, and the devil is in the details. I am not sure if there are viable EPLFers with balls left to do the job. As much as the idea of unity government in exile sounds stimulating, I doubt its practicality. If there was a sense of leadership among these people, we would have seen it by now after all these years. The Anderberhans, Mesfins, Asefaws etc are damaged beyond repair. They have lost their Sahil/meda hardened ‘’balls’’. I don’t mean to pour cold water on it, but I just don’t think we have the critical mass among united EPLFers to embark on this seemingly splendid idea. I hope I am wrong.

    Thanks again SAAY for this provocative proposal.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ayneta,

      Your doubts are understandable, and of course we don’t expect changes from Issayas’s enablers in the field back then, and who are in exile now, nor do we expect from the current enablers who are washed their hands with the blood of our people. We should let the stock of our nation to our young generation. However, it does not mean they don’t need help from the well meaning of my generations. Saay’s proposal on “government of national unity” is commendable, I will have a say later this weekend on the way he framed the socio-political forces which looks a continuation of our current political alignment.

      Regards

    • saay7

      Selamat Ayneta:

      Declaring a Government In Exile is hard, declaring a Unity Government In Exile is harder. But, since everything else has been tried and found lacking, this is what is called in American football a “Hail Mary”…and it just might work.

      And if it doesnt, something else well. Eritreans will always be smitten by Eritrea and won’t give up. We have no choice but to keep on trying because the ones holding our country hostage have told us they have zero intention of ever changing. And, actually, they can’t even if they want to: whatever change they initiate, they are not sure they will be able to control.

      saay

    • iSem

      Hi Ayneta:
      Nice to see you back here. Viable EPLFers? Yes, those who had some semblance of good intention for Eritrea have long been eliminated and am sure the war with Tigray has eliminated the rest and now that DIA has a life line, those I call well-fed and those who sleep on their beds and see their wives and children almost every night, those whose very survival is tied with IA, the newly minted will gain power and the dreams of our “Old Majors” will be protracted, postponed maybe for ever, am afraid.

  • Mez

    Good day Saay,
    1) You presented an outstanding stuff for a healthy debate on contemporary Eritrean politics and its potential fast transition to a multiparty nation.

    2) But I believe you spoiled the whole write up with the single phrase, I quote:….. “Ambassador Seyoum Mesfin chose to go to the mountains, to side with his people….”

    2.1) remember, the TPLF-IDEOLOGY is good for nothing except for mutual destruction, and nothing good to learn from there.

    Thanks

    • Ayneta

      Hey Mez:
      You could also claim the same thing about EPLF/PFDJ leaders. What do they have to show in 30 years? TPLF at least did something to lift Tigray’s image despite its colossal miscalculations. EPLF’s case is tragic in every sense of the word.

      • Mez

        Hi Ayneta,
        1) The topic on ELF-EPLE-PFDJ shall be the number one topic to discuss and ponder. That, my dear fellow, as much as needed; best would be merit & evidence based. As a nation they are our leading political forces; as of now too.

        2) best would be to brainstorm on How to be ideologically diverse (as a country) while respecting each other & without the perpetual self destroying political practices shall be the order of the future debates and discussions.
        2.1) your points are well taken, except that tplf thing.

        Thanks

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Mez,

      The ideology of TPLF was the same as the Ideology of EPRDF. Do you know the ideology of EPRDF? Did you observe the difference between the economic development in Ethiopia and Eritrea under their respective governments? Is your comment out of “negative envy” or realistic assessment? EPRDF/TPLF aside their tight political grip, they have shown a significant social and economic development. If the government of PFDJ had the same economic and social policy that change the lives of the Eritrean people, I would have less grievances than I have now and by extension the entire Eritrean people for that matter. So pls as an academician be realistic in giving your assessment. People have seen the fruits of their governance on the ground. Unfortunately, the evil forces, out of envy, are looting and destroying their success.

      Regards

      • Mez

        Dear Amanuel H,
        1) I hope the big-guys of tplf-ideology mover and shaker would come forth and discuss or debate their conceptual foundations extensively–I am still optimist to see an avalanche of heated debate.
        2) you said “negative envy”? No I don’t have that, Sir.
        2.1) there are plenty of mistakes, wrong decisions, misplaced policies, human and social group violations; that primarily in the regional state of tigray but also in the rest of ethiopia and in Eritrea.
        2.2) It is hard to believe that there are close to two million needy people in tigray (in the month of december and january); that after thirty years of tplf in power–that uncontested and absolute.
        3) it was true ideology of eprdf = tplf for a while; that with a lot of patchy concepts (from extreme ideologies from left and far right global movements).

        Thanks

    • saay7

      Hi Mez:

      Well, I wasn’t a big fan of Seyoum Mesfin…. but one must give credit where credit is due. This guy had many choices where he could have lived in exile as a Professor, an NGO-type (like his many other colleagues) but when push came to shove, he opted to go with his fellow fighters to the mountains, even as he knew he would be the biggest target. And he was.

      I mentioned him to make a contrast with his contemporaries in EPLF–inside and outside Eritrea–who appear to have made piece with the fact that what they invested all their youth for can be soiled and even reversed.

      saay

      • Mez

        Good day dear Saay,
        Looking back (and closely) the past hundred years evolution of Eritrea may give us some clues on why we are here today and what may follow next; It may be good to study and get a picture on
        1) national economy, with the evolution from subsistence farming to sustainable household income, national infrastructure building,….
        2) internal political dynamics & political currents including clandestine movements and activities
        3) regional interests and affiliations
        4) global powers-interest, including global economic recessions
        5) the impact of Italian colonial power job-offering (including the military conscription and war engagement for the italian colonial power interest)
        6) the choppy-nature of Foreign Direct Investment, and disparity in economic growth both in time and geographic frame across the country,
        7) inconsistency in education, knowhow & skill transfer to eritrean citizens over time, and repeated political culture shocks
        8) the multitudes of macroeconomic (at times antagonistic) policies and orientations in the country. The list may continue. The above factors, among others, drove Eritrea to where it is today.
        9) Especially the past fifty years of political life in Eritrea (the era of liberation movenents) is characterized by secrecy, deception, extra judiciary kidnappings, incarcerations, and killings. This is the quasi modus operandi of the government and the opposition alike even today.
        9.1) As a nation, in Eritrea, There are distinctly two socioeconomic happenings in this past fifty years i) virtual economic stagnation within the country (as it is in the political evolution), ii) massive migration of eritrean to the northern hemisphere.
        10) Now one has to ask: why are eritrean not moved by the crisis in their country from within? eventhough it is clear that the social conflict in Eritrea is reaching its climax by the day.

        Thanks

        • saay7

          Selamat Mez:

          Thanks for focusing the discussion on our Eritrea.

          I believe (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong), everything you itemized on 1-9 is applicable to the whole of sub-Saharan Africa: we are all relatively new to this new way of organizing called “nation state” (or, more precisely, “multi nation state.”) Eritrea, as a nation state, was formed in 1890: only 130 years ago, and it spent most of its existence as a colony or occupied territory, 30 of which were devoted to un-occupy it from foreign rule and another 30 of which were spent stumbling around in “nation building.”

          My assessment of question #10: there is so much fear that this independence is reversible, people give every benefit of doubt to their disciplinarian government who were once, to our people, “Deqna” and then “ayatatna” (the transition reflecting Eritrea’s demography.) Like all sub-Saharan Africans, Eritreans consider those who rule them to be of special class and they were willing to take any abuse: it’s only when the abuse becomes extreme or, in the case of Africa, favoring one tribe over another, that people (the tribes not in power) rise up in rebellion.

          I believe Eritreans have reached that stage in 2008. However, either by accident or design, those most likely to initiate a rebellion (the young and the military) were either exiled or co-opted. You and I know that in everything but name Eritrea is a military dictatorship. The military elite enjoy privileges nobody else does in Eritrea.

          If your question is deeper and wants to explore the cultures of the multi nations, all of them (except the kunama) are patriarchal societies and are Confucians in all but name: just like the head of the household (the father figure) has absolute right to demand absolute obedience, so does the head of the state.

          It is us annoying opposition who are saying hell no: that’s not what the role model Eritrea fought for. And that message was hard to get through —- until now. But thanks to our satellite stations it’s finally getting thru.

          Long story short: I don’t think Isaias and his corrupt colleagues will survive the stupid Ethiopian civil war. Abiy will drop him like a hot potato (assuming Abiy himself survives the war), and a newly invigorated Eritrean opposition will use every tool in their disposal to demand not justice but power.

          2021 is promising to be the end and the beginning.

          saay

  • Brhan

    Hello SAAY,

    Thanks for the article: it is calling for our attention to our biggest issue- fixing our home.

    The Eritrean constitution, seems to me , your favorite subject in your article. Yeah, it is very nice book , when it is read and reread. እንታይሞ died without seeing its light or died before we saw its light. Also, what about the selection of its authors ( not including the general assembly members)? Although , selected by IA directly and indirectly , it was diverse ( even included ELF veterans), which was a good attraction for many. In addition it came in 1997 and what is 1997? A year with new generation of Eritrean young men and women that saw the Eritrean politics not necessarily through the scope of ELF/EPLF. I met one of them and this guy calls himself proudly ካንሱቱሺንስት and sees all of our problems will be solved once we go back to it. Why because among many it says in Chapter 19 Article 5 All citizens have right to form organizations for political goal.

    But that was 2012 , a year before the arrest of G15, journalists and other politicians . We have seen milestones since then in Eritrea , where we saw dramatic events that added more sufferings to our people.

    Then the issue is how are we going to sell the idea of our great book when our memories are still occupied by these events. I believe two things has to be addressed. Yes let us see the constitution but as ድሩዕ said ሕሳብና ድማ ንግበር። I am going to reconcile my point with my friend iSem and won’t say መጀመርያ ሕሳብና ንግበር ዶ ወይስ ቅዋም ንርአ ( ዕንቋቆሖ ዶ ደርሆ). The third alternative is to address the two together. Some might resemble this call with the truth and reconciliation case of South Africa / Rwanda but there is no harm from learning from others. Is there another example , well I do not see except Libya ( where an external factor played a role in ending dictatorship there) but we lack the Libyan factors ( external and internal), so there is no way going to that route.

    Then at last I will be back to what you have indicated about the issue of army generals having a role to play:revolt against IA. Any country’s army generals main role is to protect the country from an outside enemy incase peaceful means that the political administration conduct with the outside country fail . Once that is solved, the generals may bring home front issue that they were giving less attention to the leader. The political administration of the country can make the generals busy again by creating a false outside threat. IA has implemented this many times and the question becomes will the generals stop the cycle of deception and make him face people’s demands?

    To be continued

    • saay7

      Selamat Brhan:

      I will address your N/B on the status of Berhane Gebrezgheir: all font issues are my fault. Besides, I need to update it about previously frozen who are unfrozen, mostly due to the Very Stupid War in Tigray where Isaias re-activated long humiliated military officers (Haile Samuel China, Saleh Herui) and others. This website used to have an update about all these people back when we thought they have some pride and dignity but it appears they don’t: they gave up. They should all sit down and read the bio of TPLF official Seyoum Mesfin who had 101 options but chose the only right one.

      saay

  • iSem

    Hi Sal:
    It is NOT time for a unity government in exile. Unity government in exile is long over due, but better late than never, should have been a better title for your piece.
    The long over due unity government in excellent idea reminds me when the EPLF and Sagem united Senait Debessay now disappeared for 20 years sang in that congress “atum deqey, deqey”, depicting once warring fighters embracing.
    But is this proposal a prelude to creating democratic Eritrea in the image of your adapted countries’ two party system and making it difficult for third parties to emerge or making them tiny parties like the Libertarians Party in the USA?
    Also, your proposed the congress to elect its leadership and the leadership then elects the executive committee. Fine for this transition period, but should democratic Eritrea also elect the execute in the legislation?
    Ok, those who love and swear by EPLF but hate PFDJ? They are still at it, trying to tell us to distinguish between EPLF and PFDJ. The egg and chicken question: who came first EPLF or PFDJ, do not even get there. If this proposal works for us to replace the monster at home, even with the inclusion of the intellectually dishonest or misguided, then fine, but still the fallacy looms large: that the mighty EPLF was hijacked by PFDJ after May 24, (I know you will say you are not interested in this debate but I got to say it and my intetion is nor for a debate on that eithert) The truth is EPLF was never hijacked by the loonies like the great GOP is hijacked by the TP loonies.
    Having said the above and speaking of bile, I challenge those you addressed to take this proposal and make it a seed for their congress but like the constitution of Eritrea it needs amendments.

    • saay7

      Haha iSem:

      There is, and there should always be a places for voices like yours–dissidents–because it was their liquidation by the two fronts that has gotten us to where we are in Eritrea: an intellectual wasteland.

      Don’t tell our friend Emma but this is “democratic coup” packaged differently:)

      Those who hate EPLF, PFDJ and don’t think there is a tall espresso difference between them can organize themselves and assert what they want.

      What we cannot have is us becoming just moralist like priests and sheikhs (a friend who doesn’t want to be credited for it coined a tigrinya word for:ዓገባውያን, ie people who just walk around saying ” ዓገብ” like old ladies). We are better than that and we just need a strong shake of our shoulders to snap out of it.

      saay

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Brother Say,

    I love this article because it opens for more deep comments and for more deep discussions. I prefer to see more wider participants as the EPLF crime is from the beginning not only during PFDJ time.

    KS,

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Kokhob,
      It is always gratifying to watch the return of your lucid contributions. I join you in supporting Sal’s return to this forum and helping to restore attention to the business of our own cause, without of course not ignoring sad events that afflict our neighborhood such as the human tragedy unfolding in Tigrai – source of concern aside contentious political matters.

  • Ismail AA

    Ahlen Salyounis,

    First, allow me to answer the call “to be first to comment”. It’s often said ‘to err is human, and to set it right is a virtue’. Deserved commendation is in order here. It takes profound depth to in pragmatic thinking for one to change persuasion at one time to persuasion at another. It was indeed inconceivable to think Isayas’s lieutenants could convert at one time to benevolent patriots and remove their idol. Here, I would dare to write that AH would delightedly feel vindicated, noting the debate both of you had had on this issue.

    Now, according to your suggestion, the role of getting rid of the despot to be the burden on the shoulders of other members of the EPLF who disagree with Isayas in one way or another. What I understood from this well-written article is that change in Eritrea begins and ends in the world of the EPLF. And, most strikingly though that this role of EPLF is tied to the issue of ‘legitimacy’ . The question is which providential authority is the one that has endowed this organization to assume that fate. Does inability of other naturally entitled political and social groups of Eritreans, to play role by being organized partners in imbuing legitimacy to a process of change make them forfeit their share to the EPLF members: be them soldiers or civilians?

    To be clear on what I am saying, I have not overlooked the reference to others too to organizing own platform(s) and co-joining the process you have elucidated. The point, thus, why, even as a gesture, should the source of legitimacy be delegated to the EPLF and its members? Please do not mistake me for some envy-driven former member of ELF who still wants to live in past animosities. I am trying to voice an opinion on the sheer merit your article has provided.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Saay & Ismailo,

      Saay: These days, I am glad that our views are converging from time to time. Though your article needs more flashing out in details on the issue of “government of national unity,” the way you frame it, is a good start for a debate. Once we agreed on dismantling the current system, we can debate on the formation of government of national unity with equitable participation on its process. Thank you for the forward looking on how to save the nation and the people we love dearly, and above all to give hope to our young.

      Ismailo: I wouldn’t vindicate, for it was a debate of ideas of different positions – of give and take, in the process to curb our divergence. I could this: Saay is one of the few with whom I engaged delightfully and for sure I have learned many things from him. A great debater pushed you to elevate your tools and resources on the market of ideas. Saay is one of them. I am glad he is back.

      Regards

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman,
        Perhaps I could have better articulated the point. I added the adjective (delighted) just to set the verb “vindicate” not suggest its literary sense. I perfectly know the personal friendship chemistry that tie both of you to one another, which had reflected in the civil way points of difference were debated. So, sorry if the point I made purported unintended sense.

      • saay7

        Thanks Emma!

        DC4E!

        iSem will explain:)

        saay

        • iSem

          Hi Emma:
          DC4E means Democratic Coup and the E is not for Eritrea, it is for Eternity. ditch the data driven analysis, never mind of the viability of DC in our context. This is notion of “Aqabawyan” not to be confused with ዓገባውያን.
          Haha,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            Our friend Saay has to make an extensive research and study on the Eritrean body politics to help him to know that (a) PFDJ is a continuation of EPLF that exhibit the same political culture (b) Democratic coup in Eritrea is unrealistic with the kind of army we have. But if he says even the classical coup of African countries is better than the current PFDJ regime, then we might agree on some caveats. Otherwise DC will remain only as wishful things. But on his proposal I will get back to him in the weekend.

            Regards

          • iSem

            Hi Emma:
            I forgot to mention that the reason Sal’s friend is so humble to refuse to be credited for the novel world he coined (ዓገባውያን) is because he or she knows better. He/she knows that this is reminiscent of the PFDJ, the seemingly innocuous labels that they attach to everyone who criticizes. Remember “hakilom” like back home when parents used to say when a child fights with his parents and goes to relative’s house, or if someone does not visit you “hakilka”. Basically ዓገባውያን is a putdown, PFDJ style because the reason you, Sal and me and SGJ and all who oppose PFDJ is to precisely become ዓገባውያን or to have an opposition party, to make government accountable, ዓገባውያን is the very job description of opposition party. It is also reminiscent to PFDJ’s putdown to anyone who criticize them when they say, what have you done, we are working. When did ideas stopped mattering, so though I chuckled about ዓገባውያን, I immediately found the connection, the innate dissident that I am.
            The unity government in exile is very good idea, but not brand new, Sal’s innovation is in the “unity” with EPLF not only unity among the opposition.

          • saay7

            Hi iSem:

            Listen up you dissident you: don’t be knocking my friends great contribution to the Tigrinya language: ዓገባውያን! Because you are lacking context. You see, ዓገባውያን are ኤህ!ኣውያን: they only have the power to curse (which takes no effort) and is merely an expression of outrage. What my friend is saying is that some actually that’s action when they are using it as a substitute for action.

            But you know all this: you are just being iBad.

            saay

          • iSem

            hi Sal:
            haha: Someone here actually thought my handle, iSem was modelled after Apple gadgeys:-)

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            In your chronicles, don’t forget that the NNNN called the G-15 “ኮረይቲ” as if kuriyin is an overreaction to the war crimes and crimes against humanity the sadist Isaiaists were committing.

            My friend is a she. Uffff.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Sem,

            ዓገብ/ዓገባውያን as in መትከል/ መትከላውያን are group in themselves, that on off and on ልሙስ ነቀፌታ ዘቅርቡ እዮም::

            “ዓገብ” = ልሙስ ነቄፌታ

            ዓገባውያን” =ልሙስ ነቄፌታ ዘቅርቡ

            “መትከል” = ጽኑዕ ስነ-ሓሳባዊ እምነት

            “መትከላውያ ን” = ጽኑዓት ኣብ እምነቶም

            Now, unfortunately, our friend has shown early on, a soft spot on PFDJites, despite lately have a solid stand against them. So the term “ዓገባውያን” might be the vocabulary of Saay and his/her friend, early on before he gave up on PFDJites. Me think.

    • saay7

      Selamat Ismailom:

      What they say about mothers –ማህጸን ኣደ ጉራሙራ — applies to our Revolution, I think: because our revolution has produced many aggressive people and a few gentle souls, and I can consider you of the latter group: a refined human being. So you never have to worry about being misunderstood by me. You listen to understand not to defend, and that’s a rare quality.

      Now then, on my proposal. If you agree with my assessment of where we are (we are at 0-Ethiopia in 30 seconds: ask someone about Eritrea, and it will take them 30 seconds to switch the subject to Ethiopia), you will agree with me that we have gotten to the point that we are no longer even complaining about Eritrea; its living in such a black hole (Isaias’s cruelty amplified by draconian measures using COVID19 as an excuse) that radical solutions are required. And that means the good as the enemy of the perfect. What you are proposing is perfect—but it has been tried for 20 years and failed. At some point, we have to abandon things that fail, instead of saying “it was a good idea, we just didn’t execute it well.” It can’t be executed because there is this issue that is called “legitimacy” which gets in the way.

      And what do I mean by that? Well, in Eritrea, a leader gets legitimacy differently: traditionally (chiqa Adi), religiously (a learned scholar), popular uprising, military superiority or via what’s called “revolutionary legitimacy.” Legitimacy helps answer the question “who are you and why should I follow you?” The EPLF already has (to a segment of our population) legitmacy: its revolution was aborted, kidnapped and killed. Those who are alive owe it to their comrades and to the Eritrean people on whose behalf they sacrificed to resuscitate it. The EPLFers we are talking about are the Reformed EPLF (those who were sympathetic to the G-15, and Wedi Ali, for example.) And if you read the G-15 Open Letter and all the documents and interviewed that followed it, that was the EPLF that was heavily influenced by the liberal voices of the era which (refers to his notes here), were awate writers. I am not Aboy Fqadu’ing here: those are the facts. The awate writers reminded them of who they once were–the voices of the 1987 Congress declaration of free press, political pluralism and religious freedom. Yes, true, they were bigoted towards Jehovah’s Witnesses but that was in 1987 and I doubt they hold those views. In the real world, the EPLF Reformers also have the ability to say that they are attempting to continue what was aborted in 1997 which, incidentally, is the call of the entire West (read every call made by HRC, EU, State Department…..)

      Now, you and I also know that the EPLF does not represent the entirety of Eritrea. This is why what I called “the other half” also needs to get off its laurels, dust itself, and have its congress. The leaders of these two factions then haggle, negotiate (practice politics!) to create a government in exile.

      Those who find the arrangment incomplete or flawed then can either do what we are doing now (right, speak, organize) to influence it or, if they think they are non-starters, create a force formidable enough to challenge them.

      Otherwise, in our life time, Eritrea will receded from the consciousness of the world, the only time it is remembered being when its dumbass “leaders” do yet another criminally stupid thing.

      saay