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HSBC: The Swiss Cave Of Ali Baba

Wikileaks. Snowden. Falciani List.

What does the exposure of the leaked Falciani list mean to the common person? Probably nothing much to the major victims of foisted poverty. As for the disciples of Ali Baba, perhaps a little regret for not being more careful, but certainly not shame because they’re insolent.

Beginning in 2006, the world lived the Wiki-leaks drama directed by Julian Assange. In 2013, that was followed by its replay in episodes directed by Edward Snowden. Now it’s time for another show: The Falciani List!

But what does the Falciani list mean to different people and entities?

The Bankers And The Rest Of The World

Evidently, for governments, the list mainly shouts out “tax evasion”; concern over funding terrorist activities may follow next in importance. For the skeptics, though, it is a confirmation that the world is dominated by a corrupt banking system operating on behalf of rotten governments, or the other way around. The Falciani list encourages skeptics to be more so.

Most of the skeptics, perhaps all of them, are in “the bottom half of the global population [who] own less than 1% of total wealth” of the world. And the defenders of the unjust financial system of the world are the rich who own “87% of the world’s wealth.” Naturally, there are apologists who think they can elevate themselves to the top 1% by sucking up to the rotten class–just like the zealots who think they can grow wings by parroting scripture. In the case of the apologists, the scripture is authored by Milton Friedman.

In October of last year, Credit Suisse issued its “Global Wealth Report 2014” in which it calculated the world wealth to be $263 trillion. As usual, it didn’t bother to report on every country separately, but by regions. It reported for Africa as a continent.

According to the report, in 2014, the total wealth of Africa was $2,831 Billion–compared to India’s $3,604 billion and Latin America’s $9,113 billion. Comparing it against North America’s $91,240 billion, and Europe’s $85,200 billion is even more depressing for Africans, to say the least.

An African adult’s wealth is $5,080, compared to an Indian’s $4,645, a Latin American’s $22,997, a North American’s $340,340, and a European’s $145,977.

While 0.7% of the world population owns 44.0% of world wealth, 69.8% owns only 2.9% of that wealth–to the audacious, the rich deserve to be that rich because they worked for it, they created credit, in paper, thus they can buy the reader and his neighbors up to twenty countries in any directions of the four winds. That is doubtful if even Milton Friedman himself would be able to defend morally and convincingly, let alone his disciples!

Looking at the HSBC figures from an African perspective, it’s discouraging: the looting that started centuries ago with colonialism has not stopped; what appeared in the Falciani list is just a drop in a large bucket. African resources were always being looted, and continue to be.

The downtrodden of the world know that the banking system stinks. The helpless poor block their nose to avoid the foul smell as they collect leftover that securely keeps them in perpetual poverty. It’s painful to be overwhelmed by the robbing banks and their thieving clients who portray the banking system as a shining example of what capitalism is supposed to be. Yet, to the common people, the Falciani list is another confirmation of how unjust, immoral, unscrupulous, and cruel the banking system (and the world system) has become.

Corrupt officials who loot their people are encouraged by immoral banks like HSBC who not only hide the thieves’ dirty money, but also coach them on how to steal, and facilitate for them means to funnel the looted money. It’s the modern day Ali Baba’s Cave, only with a bigger gang than Ali Baba’s forty thieves.

Western governments (and others who are quick learners) are no better than the corrupt banks. This can be illustrated by an example: the case of Jeffrey Tesler, a crook who holds a British and Israeli citizenship and who “was convicted by the US for funneling $132 million dollars in bribes to the Nigerian government to win billion-dollar engineering contracts.”

The USA convicted Tesler, but certainly not for being part in corrupting Nigerians, or for looting Nigerian money, but for funneling the bribes from the USA. If the international banking system which is in Western countries, didn’t facilitate the crimes of such crooks, the situation of African victims would have been slightly better. After all, it is the Western banking system that is enabling the victimizers of Africans.

“Take the case of British citizen, Emmanuel Shallop. He was convicted for selling blood diamonds that are used to finance conflicts in Africa. The documents show, in 2005 HSBC knew Shallop was under investigation yet helped hide his assets. “we opened a company account for him based in Dubai. The client is very cautious currently, because he is under pressure from Belgian tax authorities, who are investigating his activities in the area of diamond tax fraud.”” (60 Minutes)

The West is interested in investigating the looters for tax evasion, not for robbing their poor countries–who cares as long as they pay taxes! And then they wonder why the world hates them!

The Falciani List

Herve Falciani copied the data in Geneva, a year before he appeared in Lebanon in 2008 where, according to some reports, and accusations by HSBC, he went to try to sell the data. He didn’t. After a few years of drama, the French got a hold of the data containing a list of more than 120 thousand names of HSBC customers with account details. The list is now known as the Falciani list.

Though the French government didn’t publicize the Falciani list, according to reporters quoting Falciani, apparently the French used the list in their own arm twisting exercises, such as what they did to George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister who was reportedly pressured by the French president Nicolas Sarkozyto enforce the austerity policies in Greece,” in a bailout overseen by the Troika of the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the IMF. Papandreou yielded to the pressure because of the whisper that 500 million Euros was stashed by HSBC in an account under his mother’s name.

Towards the end of last January, the left wing party SYRIZA took power in Greece and rejected the bailout agreement; it is renegotiating the EU bailout.

Felciani is accused of many things, including creating a shady virtual company called Palorva, that he set up in Hong Kong to coach bankers, apparently, on how to lure wealthy people who hold suspect or illegal money for safekeeping and laundering. The Wall Street Journal reported Palrova’s website carried a motto:Business is the art of extracting money from another man’s pocket without resorting to violence.” It is an old “wisdom” embraced by those who believe it is alright to swindle as long as you are not caught by the wrong people.

At the same time, quoting Der Spiegel, the Irish Times has reported that, in 2013, Falciani stated, “Banks such as HSBC have created a system for making themselves rich at the expense of society, by assisting in tax evasion and money laundering.” If true, that suggests he is a genuine whistle-blower and it could absolve him.

As expected, HSBC is not ashamed of being an accomplice of thieves: that is not a crime, or even immoral, in the banking world. It is so brazen that it sued Falciani who was indicted in December 2014 in Switzerland for “violating the country’s bank secrecy laws and for industrial espionage.”

Going Public

The French government handed the Falciani list to Le Monde, a renowned French newspaper. But Le Monde was overwhelmed by the sheer size of the data and handed it to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

According to ICIJ, “the files, based on data leaked to French authorities from inside the Swiss branch of HSBC, included over 100,000 clients from 200 countries and territories, ranging from the United States to Eritrea.

The contrast between the USA, at the top, and Eritrea, an African country, at the bottom is dramatic enough. But first, let’s see what the actual data says–and we will put it alongside Ethiopia’s figures because the Eritrean regime and its supporters do not understand anything unless it is compared and contrasted with Ethiopia. There is a never-ending rivalry that crosses the boundaries of PFDJ’s Absurdstan.

—————————-Eritrea————Ethiopia
Rank by Amount:#53—————–#153
Accounts—————–32——————–28
Avrg. Amnt/Acct:—-$142,000———$53,000
Max. one Acct:  —–$695.2M———-$2M
Total Amount:———$699M————-$10M
Source: ICIJ

The Eritrean Accounts

The moment the Falciani list became public, Eritreans were quick to speculate, they went as far as whimsically associating names to the accounts.

Over the last few days, Awate contacted ICIJ and Le Monde in an attempt to get a peek at the Eritrean files. No cooperation is expected, obviously. However, today, Le Monde published a brief information on the Eritrean account holders; here is a translation:

In 1981, Hassan Abdalla Bashir, then aged 24, opened an account with HSBC in Geneva as a “banker” when Eritrea was at war. Six years later [1987], it’s a Ghebreselassi Kidane Habte, 37, [presented to HSBC as a driver] residing in Asmara in 2007 has more than $ 106 million, while Hassan Abdalla Bashir, the “banker”, has more than $209 million. No information is available about these two characters in a country Amnesty International calls a “huge detention center, where prisoners, citizens in their own country, are regularly rounded up by the army, forced to work for a phagocyte party state.

Apart from the above, not all the details of the accounts have been disclosed so far though they will certainly be. However, it’s understandable why Eritreans would reach to conclusions, particularly regarding the one account (the most significant) that holds $695.2 million–though today’s Le Monde brief information will send many in a tangent. It’s already clear that half the amount identified as Eritrean seems to belong to two people though speculators insist the money belongs to the ruling party (PFDJ) or its boss. It seems remote speculation, but surprises are welcome.

The PFDJ is simply a monopoly controlling all aspects of the Eritrean economy, and life. Land within the Eritrean territory, and natural resources below and above the surface, is all owned by the PFDJ government which is notoriously greedy. In a 1993 public meeting, asked about suspected mismanagement of the party finances, Isaias Afwerki, made fun and half smiled at the public before responding with a sneer: just send us the money, we will take care of the rest!

It’s worth remembering that the Eritrean government aggressively sold passports to foreigners, even to the likes of Al Shabab. Importantly, in the first few years of the last decade, a colonel from the Eritrean immigration office had set an office in the Eritrean embassy in Kuwait from where he sold large numbers of passports to the Bedoun, the stateless persons of Kuwait.

Certainly, passport sales would not bring revenues in the hundreds of millions, but any foreigner (a government, a criminal outfit, pirates, political entities in the region, or filthy rich foreigners) could have used an Eritrean passport to open the account, or the funds could simply have been funneled through an Eritrean bank. The PFDJ would facilitate any transaction for a fee.

There is also the possibility that revenues from mining and other resources could have been siphoned to an HSBC account by any party. However, it is also possible that we may discover the remaining money is owned by someone other than the ruling regime; individuals who enriched themselves somewhere else. At this moment, it’s all speculation. There is no concrete evidence to implicate the PFDJ, not yet. That is why it is prudent not to make statements without having enough proof less the credibility of the speculators is damaged.

Additional resources:

60 MinutesICIJTO BHMAIrishtimesThe GuardianGlobal Wealth Report 2014

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    The more I read the ” debate ” between Selam from Asmara and Tes from Paris, the more I miss Pappilon, Rodab, Haile TG, Ermi, Eyob,Gud, Meron, daniel, Daniel the artist, and more. What is going on?
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    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Abinet,

      I am sorry for annoying you. Actually I am neither debating nor discussing on issues with selam to make it clear for you. I am just reacting to this hypocrite lady of Asmara.

      But I stay corrected and I accept your worry. I will not go after this lady now. Finish!!!!

      • selam

        You are not fit to debate me , that is why you keep insulting me again and again ,

      • Nitricc

        hahahah Tes; You forgot to call her “chauvinistic” we all know who ever does not agree with you is from school of chauvinistic.

    • selam

      My sincere apology to you abinet but i confess i will not be shut by some one who thinks he has it all while he does not.

      Just read all what he is trying to paint me and some times threatening me by words that can not be described worthy enough.

  • T..T.

    Nitricc,

    In lieu of what you saying, Isayas is planning to use the $700 million to buy votes of the African heads of states in AU pressing them to adopt a resolution commending total destruction of the Ethiopian Renaissance Dam. In equal and opposite direction, it is evident that the Ethiopian government and the people of Ethiopia are focusing first and foremost on supporting the humanitarian aspects of the Eritrean refugees all over the world. Even those Eritrean refugees in danger of deportation in other countries, the Ethiopian government is spending time and money on buying first class air tickets to get the refugees safe flight to Ethiopia rather than being deported into the hands of Isayas.

    To reiterate, the discussants here on Awate, appear to form a united front to wage a campaign in the world media on the illegal monies that Isayas accumulated, which he is planning to use it against the neighboring countries and the Eritrean people. The Awate-ists are convinced that the world media once they get engaged in calling for investigation of the monies that are linked to human trafficking, the public opinion will force the UN to take an immediate action considering the case constitutes an urgent situation to save the Eritrean refugees.

    • selam

      First air ticket what ? it is IOM money for your knowledge or the host country money our like from egypt it is eritrean money ok. What about the names they are cheating to send their relatives to europe while our brother are in camp , how about the money they are taking by our name from the NGO’s , what about the shooting of last year. please do not defend the weyane political gambit please.

      just say the dame belongs to the ethiopian people and the point by Nitric was really not good with this project.

  • selam

    Hello Mr. Insult chief,

    You are emotional i know that , every body has emotions but we differ how we express our emotions.You can explain your emotions with out insulting some one. if you think your manship is more superior than me , i stand to challenge on every square you have said was totally false.

    You stated ESAT has to learn from mandela and i said ESAT are news organization
    You said Ethiopia is only helping Eritrean refugees and i said you are not accurate with that.They also help Eritrean opposition to kill their brothers.

    You said Ethiopia has the best democracy in the east africa countries i challenged you with prove with the last ethiopian election.

    You said Meles does not harm the Eritrean people i said check the eye color thing in 1998.
    You said it is only the Eritrean government who has oppositions
    I said you are not correct and i told you to see the Eritrean fringe opposition who are determined to have their own state like afar opposition and

    others who are killing innocent Eritreans who are forced by HGDEF to stay in th border , then you brush it as if nothing is happening.

    So who is hypcrite ?
    Tesfe learn the word respect because this is not the first day you insulted me you need to stop it

    The lady thing shows how you grow up in your Home land , but i am not from the same village you grow up. I believe i can do what ever you can do and i am not some one you can insult.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      You hypocrite Lady of Asmara,

      I know how to handle you and crash you into pieces. You have no point to challenge you. You are a hypocrite.

      you hypocrite lady
      Gual hidirtna

      • selam

        Here you go again
        Please come to terms and at least argue with respect ,
        How can you crash me any way ? are you out of your mind or , you are just excising your hyperbolic head order.

        what you mean gual asmera any way ?
        First i am not catholic or orthodox or muslim believer, i just do not believe there is some thing called deki hidrtina. Bring some thing tangable ,do not bark like angry dictator/

        Second can you just be civil , you sound like IA the same in the Aljazeera interview kkkkk

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          You hypocrite lady of Eritrea,

          I will turn on you one day and destroy you totally, total disappearance. Just count on your days. Now I don’t have time for hypocrites like you.

          you hypocrite lady of Eritrea
          Gual Hidirtina

          • selam

            You do not have time to say good things but you have time to say bad things how is that helping you with your studies any way ?
            I am not like you , I hope you come up with a relaxed head and argue point by point with prove.

            Stop this bad words like , deki hidrtina , destroy you and bla bla .I am not your goat at the village ok, where do you grow up .I was not born in a village full of priests.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            You hypocrite selam,

            I am well equiped to destroy you. You know that more than anybody. In the village I grew-up, there is a cave called “Beati-sheytan”. The cave was so dark and hence it was a room for satan and deki hidrtina like you.

            You hypocrite lady gual hidrtina

          • selam

            I told you about deki hidrtina , I am not a believer so it does not concern me at all. Second how would i know you will destroy me any way ?

            You are balffing tesfe.

            You want to be an activist , please her is my advice. do not ever say i will destroy you .

            That is bad for you and it will not help for your point to be understood.

          • Gherhi Libu

            TWR and Selam, very enlightenining indeed. Sorry for the intrusion though.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Look gual Hidirtina, a hypocrite,

            Gual hidirtina can not be a believer and that is why I called you so. You are exposed by yourself. Demons do not have belief and so are you.

            But we Eritreans are believers except PFDJ and you among being among them. A believe does not believe so he suspects adn through suspection s/he kills and so are you as a messenger of a killer here in this page.

            You a hypocrite

          • selam

            Why will i believe like Jesus was born from a virgin merry and wait for life after life , for me it does not make sense at all . I am ready to debate about that but not here it is not the right place.

            But you are the first one to tell me about any one who does not believe in god is supporter of HGDEF. And i find that offensive and ignorance at its best.

            You want to believe in deki hidrtina are real> my reply to is that good for your imaginary existence.
            My mother is real and quite educated by any standard ,so i will not buy your DEKI HIDRTINA.

  • Nitricc

    We demand PIA and PFDJ should donate the 700 million dollars to the Ethiopians people to defend themselves form the evil Arabs. lol
    Long time ago I told Horizon and who ever was listening that the Egyptians will never let the Ethiopians to complete the Abay dam. Back then I predicted the Egyptians will wait till the completion of the dam and then Egyptians to send four F-16 to turn the dam site to a soccer filed. I was all wrong! It is not the F-16 will do the job but the Refela jets. The question is why purchase Refela while having every USA made fighter jets except F-22. the Egyptians armed to the teeth by USA why purchase Refela? Because Refela can do what the US fighter jests can’t. Do you know what that is? Where is Abinet? Show time is upon us.

    http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_Rafales_Split_lg.jpg

    • selam

      I hope the Ethiopians build this dame , i really do , when i say this i only see it from Eritrean perspective. We need the dame, of course weyane is a scumbag regime but let them build this dame.
      why could not egypt invest in the dame instead of going for war . This is 2015 not the Uk time era. Time has changed and the west can do nothing except they prevented ethiopia to borrow money for the dame , thanks to china they can do it on their own. So why should we eritreans oppose ? i hope the government of HGDEF stop being poster child of Egypt

      • Abinet

        Selam
        Please accept my up vote.
        That dam is one of our ways to get out of poverty.

        • selam

          My support for the dame is not political it is just social justice and the right thing to do. The Ethiopian people deserve to have the right to do what ever they want with this project. The Ethiopian people are not Eritrean peoples enemy , We profit from the well being of Ethiopians.Can you imagine some one to tell you not to build your dame in your own land. And they are just building dame to help with every thing the ethiopian people needs . I can not understand any eritrean who oppose this project .

          • habte

            Selam
            Except the dumb and fearless

          • Nitricc

            Speaking dumb; remember your bright leaders came out with the list of risks investing in Ethiopia. They listed Eritrea as a possible igniting war; yet, they never mentioned Egypt. That shows you how coward and stupid leaders you have. The possibility of war with Egypt should been listed as number one; that way you could have send a message to Egypt you mean business. Egypt is getting ready to the brim and your stupid PM is soliciting toothless support from the most powerful and biggest country in Africa; Djibouti. Lol don’t blame your PM though; he is busy reciting what ever Melles spoke so he can repeat it when ever he has to speak.
            The only way to scare the Egyptians is to send them his picture.

            http://www.africareview.com/image/view/-/1625218/highRes/398882/-/maxh/283/maxw/432/-/4e8dri/-/PM.jpg

          • habte

            Nitricc
            First for your information he is not my leader, hope you get it
            Second only the dumb and fearless think this way

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            The only rational view I ever heard from you. Could it be the beginning of political maturity? I could only wish.

          • selam

            I guess you are not matured from hate filled head you have either . I am mature enough to tell you, I argue for what i believe is right. I am not emotional like you to argue if that is this and that was this
            Ema , you better get ready what is possible and what is not.

            You argued to take HSBC to court for freezing the asset that you have no clue who have access to the money. What i said was lets argue based on the things we can do. i am not the one arguing to sue a 2.6 Trillion company.

            I remain solid to say we can never ever win to freeze the money and we will never ever have access to the money. I did not and will not deny the crimes committed by HGDEF i remain to do what is needed from me to get ride of this mad man .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sealam,

            I don’t think you understand the word emotional. You just throw the word hoping to stick on me. I am not emotional, because I knew more than anyone that the “Eritrean politics” is not a “personal issue” rather it is a “collective issue”. Hence , rest assured, that the Eritrean politics doesn’t touch my emotional intelligence. I am here only to contribute a small fraction to the collective effort that might change the discourse of Eritrean politics. Now , a question to you, if you really understand the real meaning of emotion, can you tell me any from my political expression that somehow infer emotional reaction? I will test you as you are talking about the discipline of psychological and the terminology that governs the discipline. If you are really up to, I will respond to you, if you are “tiraz-Netek” I won’t.

          • selam

            The physiology of emotion is closely linked to arousal of the nervous system with various states and strengths of arousal relating, apparently, to particular emotions. For example the way you describe me as not mature and now starting to mature on my political view tends to link as if you want to link me with the supporters of HGDEF or as if you are way up there with dictionary of politics with out social results and thought the emotion was come up as emotion is often the driving force behind motivation, positive or negative.

            I can describe the word emotion more wide but i hope you get my answer in my shot note.
            I still give you credit for saying Eritrean politics is collective issue , i hope we find more like that.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            You failed the test. Nothing I can add.

          • selam

            ok i am going to school and my teacher for this word is Amanuel H. Lets hear your definition professor

            i am assuming you will give your definition for emotion. If not i stand by my definition

      • Nitricc

        I am not opposing what the Ethiopians trying to do. In fact I said it is their right to do what benefits them with their own natural resources. I am in support of the Ethiopians.
        At the same time; if I was a leader of Egypt; I can not allow the Ethiopians to suffocate my people to death. I will dispose everything I have and dismantle that site to never even be thinkable for future.

        • Amde

          Nitricc,

          This post of yours is a classic example why you are just an empty hammer looking for a nail. So, let me ask the Plato and Dao De Jing quoting soldier boy how you game this out.

          Once the dam fills, blowing it up puts Khartoum in bulls eye. So the opportunity is to stop it is before it fills. But that window is closing fast bucket by bucket of cement, day by day, night by night – 24x7x365.

          But let’s assume the pretty Rafales bomb the site. What do you think is the next chapter soldier boy?

          Amde

          • Abinet

            Getaw,
            Can I add something?
            Khartoum will be under 15 feet of water, Aswan 1&2 will be history along with Cairo. So I like to tell for our ” kifu alamowoch” , it is in Sudan’s and Egypt ‘s interest to pray for it’s safety 24/7/365.
            The ball is in their field.
            Abay ! YeAger adbar,
            YeAger sisay!
            Abay sinaded demu sifela,
            Enkuwan leKhartoum leCairo aylala

          • Nitricc

            First let’s admit and tell truth; the truth is the Abay project wasn’t a well thought out project. It is a project that was conceived and came to exist under tremendous pressure of Arab spring. Your dead PM came up with the idea of Abay dam to divert the attention of the Ethioipian people. Be honest and go back listen to that specific interview. Your dead PM tried the Shebia card and that did not work he got claver and declared that Abay project. It should have been done with the consultation of the concerned countries. So, to answer your question; sometimes you don’t know what your next move is but you know at the moment in time; you have to move. So, for Egypt, I don’t think they know what their next move is by the do know they can’t let that happen. And they do know Ethiopia will not retaliate what ever they do. They don’t have an ounce of respect for Africa and Africans. It is like Israel keep bombing any country it feels that not servicing her national interest. If Israel could it because she have the USA, so do Egypt

          • Amde

            Nitricc,

            Well first off, it is clear that you have no clue just how much preparation and study projects of this size take. The GERD site was one of many that had been studied and prepared from as far back as the Emperor’s time. It just so happened for the first time an Ethiopian government had the DOMESTIC financial means and domestic peace to embark on such a project. In that word – domestic – lies the answer showing the futility of Egypt’s bombing. It can’t stop the project – it will just have legal, diplomatic and economic costs from an act of war.

            The other point is that if you care to dig a little, you will find that Egyptian water professionals are quite happy with this dam. Google it. The problem is the perception of the Egyptian street and Egyptian politicians. The street believes water is a zero sum game and is afraid. Popular fear is the best raw material politicians could ask for. Politicians being politicians, they need to show themselves to be tough guys, and wanna show who’s boss and thus propose dropping the hammer, even if there is no nail. That is their problem – not ours.

            The choice of this particular site was very deliberate and very deliberately political. Meles wanted to build the largest dam we could ever build on Abbay, and provide a fait accompli to Egypt in order to change Egypt from a Nile watershed competitor, to a Nile watershed co-steward. This will be a start on that path. Changing Ethio-Egyptian relationship from competition to partnership is a game changer for the horn. I honestly believe it is one of the best things to happen for Eritreans – once and future dictators won’t keep pimping you out to be a mercenary force for Egyptian interests. The money and electricity is nice too – I ain’t knockin it.

            Nitricc, in that vein, I think you should buy the Bond – the GERD Bond.
            Here you go… http://ethemb.se/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/APPLICATION-FORM-FOR-PURCHASE-OF-THE-GRAND-RENAISSANCE-DAM-BOND.pdf. You are guaranteed a return much better than the “dollar a day keeps weyane away” boondoggle. In fact, if you buy enough bonds, you could buy yourself a shiny Rafale of your own from the yield.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            GERD is now a reality with all its impacts dictating a new configuration in the regional geopolitics, economy and physical environment. If Egypt had a better position to sabotage the dam before it started, that has now significantly diminished, and is getting diminished by the day. people who get excited with every move of purchase from Egypt is partly part of their evil in inner self but mostly about diverting the discussion away from the 700 million scandal. In Egypt focuses on arming and militarizing itself, it doesn’t mean it is bad for Ethiopia. Look how Eritrea’s provocation pushed and helped Ethiopia to be the regional power in short time. Every move from Egypt will help Ethiopia become better prepared and in the process building its own mighty space.
            It is a text book scenario that we are having in Eritrea hybrid of shifta and totalitarian government having both control and blanket over the entire country. He detains people with out involving a court and he gets away with it. He kills people including shooting at children and he gets away with it. He leads the country into devastating wars, and he gets away with it. He pushes the entire youth population to exodus from inside while ordering his check points soldiers to shoot at them, and he gets away with it. He has now transferred the Eritrean economy to Swiss. In 4-5 years ago I read somewhere a report that said, to buy oil and spare parts for the four generators at Hirgigo, there was no money in the national bank and people have to go to the Presidents office for the dollars. The president literally opened his safe box and gave them the needed millions. Then a certain army officer rushed to the TOTAL company that supply the lubricants and the Eritrean offered a brief-case cash bribe to Total managers there for a speedy supply. It seemed too bizarre to believe it then. It is no longer a bizarre now. It is the very standard.
            We are, as a nation, dealing with a briefcase governance and institutions in Eritrea, Amde.

    • Abinet

      Abay molto, Tana molto esat yizorewal
      YiTefatal enji meche yoshagerewal !

    • Nitricc,
      You have invested on the destruction of Ethiopia for the fulfillment of
      Eritrea’s dreams, and you do not lose a chance to show your sinister wishes for Ethiopia. EPLF/PFDJ were expecting the disintegration of Ethiopia as the result of ethnic federalism (remember, DIA’s homework for Ethiopia for the coming 100 yrs). Ethnic federalism is functioning all right, even some African countries are envying Ethiopia’s successful experiment with ethnic federalism, and Egypt
      has chosen the way of cooperation instead of confrontation. You see, it is only DIA and you that have remained behind, and are still waiting for the doomsday that would come upon Ethiopia. Irrespective of your hate for Ethiopia, she is moving forward to a better future, while you fail to see that you have condemned Eritrea to stagnation. Therefore, please think rationally and positively for the sake of Eritrea and its people.

      There will come a day when Eritrea would be forced to use cheap
      electricity from Ethiopia, because wind and solar energy is not going to run her industry efficiently, of course, if you have any plan for development, and you do not want to keep Eritrea isolated and underdeveloped forever. No doubt, the dam will be completed in 2017, and Ethiopia will be producing more than 10,000MW of
      electricity compared to Eritrea’s 200-300MW. The amount of electricity produced in countries south of the Sahara is not more than 80,000MW, and that is the reason that Ethiopia wants to become an exporter of electricity.

      • Semere Andom

        Horizon “condemned Eritrea to stagnation”, are your serious? I see stagnation like what the economist call zero profit for a business, a good think, you pay your overhead, you settle your expenses, your pay yourself as owner and the buz makes zero profit, not ideal but good thing, you can still hang your shingle, and look forward for making profit, or you can play and pay yourself less so the biz will make some money then if you are in USA/Canada pay flat lower rate so as an owner as the end of the day you pay less taxes and keep more money. Stagnation

      • Nitricc

        Horizon; you sound like I ordered those Rafale fighter jets to bomb your dam. I am just expressing what I see from the players of the horn. Since you don’t have any leaders with a back bone, you should thank me for the service I am doing on behave of your country. I am preparing the people for any eventuality while your leaders are trying lions with toothless Djibouti and corrupted to the core South Sudan. You are big country why can’t act like one? I am not worry about Eritrea; just leave her land and got out. And you better be ready for Egypt; you have a bigger fish to fray. All I am saying is there is no way Egypt will let you build and complete that dam. The writings are all over it and let me show you what your leaders are doing to combat that. Well good luck.

        https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ6z3BTwqAxD-hg-NsFhOxTDaNP3N8tFkHDweJ7IaolZ_hgT7U_cRGf92v

        • Nitricc, don’t you think that you are playing the wrong role? Instead, why don’t you prepare your government to avoid the eventuality of creating a failed state?
          Toothless Djibouti is expanding the capacity of its port by about 15 times with about 10BN dollars, while you have succeeded in making your ports as useless as they can ever be. Ethiopia is showing big in all fields, and you
          are the only one who does not accept it. Even DIA has said that Ethiopia is the power of the region.
          A hundred Badmes are not going to change the dictatorial regime, and Badme is given the weight it does not deserve, because it is a means to an end, which is to enslave the Eritrean people and rule Eritrea with an iron grip. You know it, I know it, and everybody knows it.
          Even if DIA begs Egypt to attack Ethiopia, as he once did in support of Egypt’s outrageous demand that Ethiopia stops constructing the GERD, nothing is going to happen. Egypt has many problems on her hands. Muslim Brotherhood is in her backyard and ISIS together with Al-Qaida are at her borders. You fail to see the raging fire that is already engulfing some Arab countries, and indeed affecting other countries with Muslim population, like Nigeria. In addition, the USA is preparing for another invasion of the Middle East, because ISIS is getting out
          of control, which means that the region will be in a turmoil for the coming years, which will also affect Egypt.

          On ጥሬ ስጋ, first you have to have to eat it. Secondly, you should have known how Ethiopians came to eat raw meat. It is said that it started during military expeditions. In order to avoid that the enemy finds their position, they avoided starting fire and learned to eat raw meat. The French eat raw meat, Americans are tasting it; and cultures spread all over the world. As long as it comes from a healthy animal, there is nothing wrong with it. Although I hate eating raw meat, nevertheless, I have no bias against those who eat raw meat.

          • Nitricc

            Horizon I didn’t wish anything to anyone. I only pointed out what I thought troubling events. Egypt does not need buy a single and simple AK-47 let alone 20 Rafale. They got every weapon from the USA. So; what I am saying is those Rafale have one advantage over all USA made fighter jets and for that only reason the Egyptians got them. As caring neighbor ;- I am just warning you. I am advising you to make your house in order and get ready for any eventuality. For example; make peace with Eritrea (get out of the Eritrean land) and take Eritrea out of the equation and mobilize, train and structure your forces. If you think the Egyptians going sit and do nothing then I have nothing to say to you.
            Regarding Egyptians deviations; true; they have problems but I can not think anything more can unite them than ever the word of “WATER”
            Horizon I didn’t wish anything to anyone. I only pointed out what I thought troubling events. Egypt does not need buy a single and simple AK-47 let alone 20 Rafale. They got every weapon from the USA. So; what I am saying is those Rafale have one advantage over all USA made fighter jets and for that only reason the Egyptians got them. As caring neighbor ;- I am just warning you. I am advising you to make your house in order and get ready for any eventuality. For example; make peace with Eritrea (get out of the Eritrean land) and take Eritrea out of the equation and mobilize, train and structure your forces. If you think the Egyptians going sit and do nothing then I have nothing to say to you.
            Regarding Egyptians deviations; true; they have problems but I can not think anything more can unite them than ever the word of “WATER”
            Regarding me posting your leader with row is nothing but to irritate Rahwa and Dedebit grad other than that, It doesn’t mean anything.

          • Nitric, never make an enemy out of ladies, especially extremely clever ladies, as Hayat and Rahwa are. It is a big mistake. They can be as good as an angel if treated well, and they can fight like a lioness if attacked. Try to refute their opinion and do not attack the person. You might be surprised to see that they will reciprocate.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I hope we will have such type of women leading our new nation in near future. Rahwa is not around those days I hope she is fine.

    • Nero

      Two dates for you.

      2017 – GERD due to be completed.
      2018 – Rafael fighter planes to be delivered to Egypt.
      Doro tama beg taredelat alu. (Where is Fetima btw?)
      N

      • Abinet

        Hi Nero
        Fatima Gifti is busy organizing the opening ceremony of the GERD.
        “Yezegeyeshibet mindinew mikniyatu
        Aynoche terabu derese seatu
        Efoy bale libe ene anchin ayiche
        Liyayush yiguagualu teribew aynoche”
        ( Mahmoud Ahmad)

        • Nero

          Well I miss her Teret ena misale.

      • Nitricc

        Mr. Sunshine; know the facts before you in to toothless proverb. The Egyptians have many years to do what ever pleases them to do. Do you know how many years it takes to fill the dam? Here are some facts a courtesy of SJG.
        “The Aswan Dam, with a capacity of 132 BCM, is twice the size of the Ethiopian Renaissance Dam and it took 13 years to be filled to capacity. Thus, the Ethiopian dam might take 5-6 years to fill depending on the filling plans and amount of rainfall. But water shortage would be offset by the evaporation it would save; Ethiopia says its dam will conserve 6 BCM while the Egyptians plan to conserve 8 BCM by 2017. If that turn out to be true, the volume needed to fill the dam would be offset in less than a decade.”

        And here what they think of you, not much. Again courtesy of SJG!

        “When Sadat came to power, emboldened by the victory of the 73 war (which was planned under Nasser), he immediately spread arrogance in Egypt, looking down on Africa. The entire political atmosphere of Egypt towards Africans was poisoned… that is why you hear Egyptian politicians saying “I talked to the Africans” in a belittling tone.”

        • Nero

          Nitric,

          Don’t worry about us. We will manage.

          Though it is sad to see you hang your hopes on an event that is most unlikely to happen. The wait can be long, and frustrating. The sad thing is even if your wildest dreams happen there won’t be anything in it for you or people who think like yours. As if Eritrea will be safe from a regional crisis of this type.

          Instead of taking control of your destiny, and working together with your countrymen – here you are dreaming that someone else will rise to do something that you can’t do. That believe me will not satisfy your hatred.

          The future of Eritrea is in the hands of people like you. Instead here you are wallowing in hate.
          N

          • Hayat Adem

            Do you remember the story about the foolish fox? Foxes are normally the smartest animals and their life span depends on their survival skills, hence the expression “foxing” for being smart. Dumb and proud fox is a rare breed. But there was this dumb and proud fox that went analytic so foolish on getting her daily bread. She saw a bull with two outgrown curvy balls and the duo can be clearly seen projecting out from the guarded view from behind. For the perception of this foolish fox, it seemed one or both appeared to be falling down any minute. It started sneakily following the bull wherever it went. When fall failed to happen instantly as was hoped by the foolish fox, the fox thought it was a matter of time to witness the inevitable event. “Patience is always my best weapon”, she whispered to her self, and continued watching,anticipating and following the bull from a measured distance. The bull was all about normal business, moving here and there, grazing wherever it looked greener. The long wait was painful on the part of the dumb and proud fox. Nothing happened, and the darkness had to referee them to give up at each other. The foolish fox got its lessons and she was not caught again doing the same silly and costly exercise afterwards. As if being mean and thinking evil is not enough, soem people are fearless about displaying it in public. Amde said something to the effect earlier: swinging a hammer fearlessly hoping to meet the nonexistent nail. The fearless thinks he has to only swing the hammer and land it somewhere and the nail will always be there.

          • Nero

            Hayat, This is a good one.
            Works for our ESat people as well.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Oh, please! Why don’t you argue against Amanuel’s points and refute his argument, Mr. Araya. Your response is the very definition of an ad hominem attack. By impugning Amanuel’s persona you are forgetting that you are also insulting others who know Amanuel to be none like what you have tried to paint him to be. I don’t think Amanuel needs even a penny from any other source, be it the TPLF or others, as he is gainfully employed as a professional pharmacist. BTW, even during his college years as a pharmacy student he worked in a drug store. Just ask anyone who knows him, for goodness sake!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Gheteb,

      I don’t think you have missed any of his comment in this forum. But by his own admission, he is the most beneficiary Eritrean from Ethiopia. His own parents prefer to live in Ethiopia than in Eritrea. They are making their own living in Ethiopia. He always vacationed every year in Ethiopia and enjoys their cultural food and their hospitality as we already have noticed from his frequent visit. He enjoys Ethiopia more than any Eritrean. But like the proverbial English, he always bites the hand the feeds him. Aygermekan!! In politics the stock of argument is that, a rational person will realize that behaving badly is not in his self-interest, because the consequence to himself will be negative. So you can imagine how Araya is behaving against his own and his parents interest as we speak, and he surely will continue to be so.

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Abinet

    Story of my life .

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear PFDJites,
    Let’s say this amount of money in the Swiss bank is proven to be embezzled public money from Eritrea. I am saying “let’s say” not because I doubt that but to help you see the picture. If it is true that this is the case, it would never mean a big news for a person like me. It is only in the sense that I will get more friends who would think like me about PFDJ. It doesn’t mean anything in terms of understanding the character of PFDJ. If a hyena brochures a donkey alive, any one who is familiar enough with the details of a hyena character cannot be shocked that it acted that way. But if someone was mistaking the hyena for a guard dog, she will certainly be shocked and pained. One contribution of news such as this would mean that the ones caught unprepared and unaware have a new eye and they start treating the animal as a wild and as a scavenger. The message here is, the shocking factor of this news is for the loyal and naive supporters, not for us who declared the divorce long time ago. Your trust and confidence on PFDJ is the very thing that is being attacked. “Oh, is that true? Were we blinded? Were we supporting the wrong party?” are the questions that should visit you every evening when falling in your bed. It is about you, not about us or the opposition. It is not even about the PFDJ. I think the PFDJ made its bones long ago and it is not going to change short of disfiguring itself. News like this should lead you to the aha moment of starting to question. That is unless you are the hyena himself or delusional. So please, there is no point arguing with us, go and argue with yourself.
    How far are you willing to support PFDJ?
    (As far as it stays good)
    Can PFDJ be characterized as good?
    (Not fully, but the alternative seems to be gloomier)
    Then, what is the price of a gloomy alternative?
    (Allowing a patient time until a coup or better alternative comes)
    Even if it means exodus of the youth?
    Even if it means the perish of 10k prisoners who have never been allowed for a court day or a family visit?
    Even if the country is led to unnecessary and reckless wars and too big to manage?
    Even if the youth is hostages through NS and the nation through meaningless militarization programs?
    Even if the country hand-led to bear isolation and sanctions?
    Even if the country’s half economy is shipped to warm Swiss banks?
    How far are you willing to go with PFDJ?
    Hayat

    • Semere Andom

      The only to add in reiterating the glaring facts about the “hyena” is that it limps until it is convenient for it. PFDJites will also do the same, cajole, beg, cry lament invoke the time tested “zban siwuat” line that most Eritreans fall for. The last standing ardent supporters are the willful ones and the time has expired to claim ignorance. They are serving PFDJ either for personal benefits or ethnic and regional reasons. No smoking gun persuade these people, no facts, no even a video showing IA discussing with the bank will make them change their minds, if you want a hint remember what the dumb and fearless hinted,” since IA is the founder of the nation, under whose name should the money be?”. You read it right, it means it is OK, legal and ethical for IA to put the nations money under his personal account.” Then they will change the terms of reference for and will say, IA deserved it for leading the most grueling armed struggle for independence, after all while his peers make in the range of 250k to 500k and IA makes only 500, that stashed money will make up the money he did not make and they will calculate the opportunity cost he incurred for not coming to the west and working and enriching himself, so they will find seemingly plausible explanation . Do not expect droves of PFDJ supporters to abandon ship, they will only do it when their personal safety or interest are threated by IA

      • Nitricc

        lol; do you wait by the computer just for the Dedebit stupid to post and so you can be the first to respond? dude, you are obsessed. didn’t you say you have a wife? it is sickness. the woman is a paid agent from your other country called Tigray; why are you obsessed? i wish you speedy recovery as the old school saying’s goes. what is wrong with you?

      • Hayat Adem

        “Do not expect droves of PFDJ supporters to abandon ship, they will only do it when their personal safety or interest are threatened by IA”

        I guess that must has been my share of stupidity.

        • Semere Andom

          Hayat , The smart Dedebit Girl is the antidote of Stupidity 😉
          Now Nitricc will jump up and down 🙂

          • Hayat Adem

            That guy? He is so boring. He sounds as if he is a stuffed log than a brained human being. His vocabulary list might not pass 500, and his ideas are even fewer than his words. His repetitive feeds can torture a healthy person to death.

      • ‘Gheteb

        ” The lasting standing ardent supporters are the willful ones …….. They are serving PFDJ either for personal benefits or ethnic and regional reasons.”
        An excellent observation, Semere !

  • Abinet

    Woyane suffering from inferiority complex? How do you know? Have you ever felt inferiority complex before? Or are you feeling it right now?
    You must know something about it. I feel sorry for you .
    “Mashila eyarere yisiqal”

  • selam

    So many opposition groups has gone one on one in public debates and come up smelling like a rose. But all that glitters is not gold.The reason was that they are just too deeply talking about how much they hate IA. They competently forget the majority of the Eritrean people. So the role of websites like awate.com should be to lead the way how to make all the glitters gold. unless we all know HGDEF are criminals they take money and life of innocent people.

  • selam

    I remain to see any credible opposition with much ground work to do such thing ( advocate) for the money. I am confident the owner of the account is not listing a lawyer advising him how to challenge any petition or some thing like that. The account can be zero amount by now .Remember this leak was long time ago. If it is HGDEF i am certain they are not worried either. But of course we can use this for public consumption .Because this kind of news is an asset by itself if only if we can use it properly. For example we can demonstrate in front of the italian parliament house or any other such entity to tell them they are trading with a dictator. while Eritrean people is dying in the sea. Swiss Bank are known for holding secrets and they can hold this money for 100 years.
    Here in Eritrea these from Finland ,Norway , Turkey and other western governments were in asmera and talking how to work with the dictator , i was stunned, how could this happen . Imagine banking at this time are very corrupted and really very secretive not reliable either to help the Eritrean people.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear All,

    Unless we learn on how to exploit news, we will not build a strong advocacy. New should be turned into a tanigble resources to be exploited. If not, like the PFDJ, it will only telling what happened in the past. In this regard, I call to use this news to pursuide our agenda for justice. I see no other means except to use whatever piece news we have on our advanteg. If not, analysising news will be just a waste of time. For this I call the opposition camp to form a task that go after the stolen property of Eritrea. It is not to divert the fight against the tyranny bit it is part of it though not ultimate.

    tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Tesfa Hawey, exploiting every new is good I agree it will expose PFDJ, the thing is this should be done on the way only. the world is full of Ali Baba Lol, who do you think will care about it? that bank is full of corrupted people’s money. What is important today is fighting right on the ground with planned work and matured leadership. people like you will do a lot in arranging things as you are very brave and intelligent.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear KS,

        To go after the stolen money is also part of the fight. I am not saying, “we should divert our energy” but within the energy we have, lets develop a habit to diversify our means.

        Dear KS, it is just like theDanish Report. Once the report was released, PFDJ puppets tried to use it for their agenda but the opposition camp took the position to expose the tyrannical nature of the regime in Asmara. Finally, the report was rejected and Eritreans continued to have a right for asylum in denmark. The same also holds true with this money scandal. It will not cost us a penny.

        If you see, Tesfanews was the first web to write an article about this secret leak and talked about the Eritrean deposit Their objective is to neutralize the incoming attacj against PFDJ regime. They are trying their best to turn for their advantage.

        Then, awate.com and other opposition news media came with more eye-opening analysis. WIthin this, AT did a great job in exposing the anecdotes. Now what remains is to form a task form (most likely legal experts) and thereby play a game against the tyranny. As Nathan said, there is no big burden that can hinder us from doing so.

        PFDJ tells a dead news, actually a history of what happened. But here, the opposition camp and hence AT is providing us with LIVE NEWS. Let’s use it. Let the toothless opposition camp (as Nitriccay used to say) grow a tooth and diversify their dimension for fighting against the tyranny. If not, providing providing news analysis is useless.

        hawka
        tes

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Plus,

        We should know that officials within the PFDJ bureau are with US nationality (like Yemane Gebreab, Hagos Kisha, Yemane Gebremeskel, etc.

        I am reminding this because only 28% out of the listed Eritreans are with Eritrean passport. http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-02-09-well-take-the-money-not-the-passport-what-swiss-leaks-reveals-about-africas-high-rollers

        And Kibrom Dafla came at assenna and is talking about the existence of the stolen money but it was mistery by whom it was owned then after. http://assenna.com/%E1%8A%A5%E1%89%B2-%E1%8A%A3%E1%89%A5-%E1%88%B5%E1%8B%8A%E1%8B%98%E1%88%AD%E1%88%8B%E1%8A%95%E1%8B%B5-%E1%89%A5%E1%88%9D%E1%88%B5%E1%8C%A2%E1%88%AD-%E1%89%B0%E1%89%90%E1%88%9A%E1%8C%A1-%E1%8B%9D/

        By making cross-referncing, there is high probabilty that the money is owned by the name of individuals within the PFDJ rank.

        And Ambassader Andebrhan might have some knowledge in this regard. Same also holds true with Mesfin Hagos.

        • Semere Andom

          Thanks Tes:
          Many of the leaked files are rich people from rich countries who are hiding their money, some legitimate , some not so legitimate. And the west’s concern is the tax evasion of their citizens and that is why France is concerting or taking only 70 of the 30,000 French in this files. The case of Eritrea is not problem for the countries like France an USA. But it is big deal for us and the PFDJ supporters like your buddy Nitricc, the self admitted dumb and fearless and I may add heartless is trying to become devil’s advocates to appear as a critical thinker. It is now incumbent upon Eritrean activist to do digging and cross link and correlate the files to find the PFDJ connection as it is impossible for someone with 700million cash to be a legitimate Eritrean with hard earned money. It could someone who bought Eritrean passport, it had to have PFDJ link.
          The blood sucking, vampire PFDJ would definitely suck the country out of its money as well, there is motive, there is opportunity and there is pattern of behavior and there are eye witness like Kibrom Dafla.This is more than circumstantial evidence, now correlating and forensics can prove the so much adored word of PFDJ, EVIDENCES

          • Hope

            Come on Cousin Sem,
            Why surprised?The EPLF was said to be the second richest Liberation Movement entity after the PLO(the latter from the rich Arabs,the former from its own hard work—be it drug smuggling or cheating or black market).
            Worried about $half a billion? So what?What about the $750 Million in the Chinese Banks?
            So you expect that money to be under PIA or Hagos Kisha?
            I even know how to do it.
            My Uncle put his money under my Cousin’s name somewhere in the world or with a different name with a different passport….So Hagos Kisha will use kebede Aregay as his bank acct name and the Banks will allow them as Samantha said it in her article,the Banks only care about their money,not their Passports….after observing that only less than a third have used their country of origin Passports,if at all true and legitimate Passports.
            All countries and Citizens of all Nations do this kind of corrupted business.
            Why are you guys making this piece of news a big deal?
            If you believe and proved it that the PFDJ:
            -Has killed hundreds of innocent Eritreans and the best elite Eritrea can produce
            -If the PFDJ has put 10,000 innocent Eritreans in prison
            -If you believe that the TPLF embezzled/stole $13 Billion from the poor Ethiopians
            -If you believe that PMMZ’s family just deposited $5 Billion into a New York Bank with a full knowledge of the US Congress,State Departemnt and the British PM
            -If you believe Hosni Mubarek has $75 Billion in the Swiss and other European Banks
            -If you believe that the USA and other Western Nations helped Mobutu Seseseko to embezzle more than $50 Billion during his 30-yr-rule of Congo,etc….
            Why in the world are you guys wasting your time and energy debating on this dead issue?
            As Selam Hitna eloquently advised you,why don’t we coordinate our effort to save the remaining 5 million Eritreans at home and up-coming $1 trillion from the Mining,Oil and Gas and Potash by uniting our people to shorten the life of ONE Common enemy?
            It is sickening Eri Politics as usual….Kem shinti ghimel nidihrit!!
            Please re-read what my half-Cousin Filed Marshal Mahmoud saleh briefly but to the point summary and analysis and close this issue for good and move on…and work hard that this mistake does NOT happen again…while attempting to investaigte this issue,if at all we can,if not,let the future Democartic Gov of Eritrea handle it.

  • T..T.

    Selam,

    Discussants are trying to identify a suspect and you are exonerating all possible suspects. Is there any thing that you specifically know and others don’t? The Sudanese say, “One who has a stinging and biting bug on him, keeps dancing on his own.”

    • selam

      T..T

      I am just telling you to focus on building a vibrant opposition that can knock down this mad man. Beyond that there is nothing i would love to say. Do not waste your time on telling Sudanese proverbs.

      Keeping you and me talk about this for years is what HGDEF wants and i would like to differ not to waste time and being emotional about things that matters less to the Eritrean people. At the moment we have just too much urgent things to focus.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Aywa, you got it. this is what I was saying to you too. you don’t need evidence of this tiny subject. if we keep talking for them this will pass too and there will be another subject you and me to debate and our time will just go while they are drinking the blood of our beloved people. the nation is stolen and we need to bring it back yesterday. Isn’t it? so today we have to be united,and respect each other.

      • T..T.

        Selam,

        The opposition unlike the Isayas’s party don’t expect them to be solo or one. It is better to have one thousand opposition CARING AND FOR THE PEOPLE parties than one ANTI-PEOPLE party. If there is any serious proposal, it passes through votes. And, if one party wins it has to seek coalition with other supporting parties. Thus, in post-Isayasism Eritrea, don’t expect blind Eritreans coming together through an empty claim of ONE HEART, ONE MIND, ONE TONGUE because such a claim leads to one legged Eritrea that is so weak due to deprivation of its other leg.

        Back to the issue, if you know the suspect, please Selam don’t deny yourself selam – just say what you know and give the topic a closure.

        • selam

          The Eritrean people do not expect all the opposition to have one white paper(declaration), what they expect is the vision with out dividing the Eritrean people across region , religion , ethnicity.
          Mind you there are so many people in Eritrea from Nakfa to asmera who support the dictator just because they could not see viable opposition and that should worry us all. These opposition have been there for so long , I can say more than 20 years they have been there , imagine to this day , they have done nothing.

          Even educated Eritreans who take Dr. with their name in america and canada are just gathering because they feel they have to say some thing for the christian society. That is what we should debating and that should we spend more time to tell them that, we do not buy crusaders and Jihadists , we just need inclusive one.

          And there are some of your friends in the west and America who come here (Asmara) to just show us how much money they created in their second home land America or Europe. I always tell them that they are half responsible for flinching the eritrean youth to cross to Europe or America in search of more money and also personal safety.

          We love ourselves more than any thing and i am afraid most of the opposition are just stacked in this idea of mine than yours and you must listen to me. Most of them have zero transparency and zero tolerance to their own democratic way of dealing.

          we should demand from them total inclusiveness of the Eritrean needs. We can not just spend our time blaming HGDEF they do that and they said that and so on .

          • T..T.

            Selam,

            I do accept that our difference is due to our different perceptions about politics and tolerance. Regarding the ABC of democracy, believe me, no one can teach the Eritrean opposition about it. Because they are experiencing and practicing the highest level of democracy as evidenced by their highest level of tolerance and accommodation, we see the opposition mushrooming everyday but yet talking to each other comfortably.

            Again, back to the topic of the stolen monies – you demonstrated the highest of the highest confidence about innocence of Isayas. The others driven by Isayas criminality, they are finger pointing at him and only him. Any change of mind, now?

  • selam

    For your information Mr. Teame was in china after the sanction and i wonder if the sanction was to the dictators or to the Eritreans people.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Thanks Selam for the info. about Mr.Teame’s trip to China.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam,
      The sanction is against PFDJ leaders (travel and against individual accounts), it isn’t an economic sanction against the Eritrean people. When you debate don’t argue of something you don’t know. Visit the UN sanction against Eritrea and you will find the specifics of the sanction.

      • selam

        It is totally against the Eritrean people to give HGDEF another reason to blame the west. HGDEF has never ever get caught by sanction. They are doing what ever they like when ever they want.
        But HGDEF are using the sanction for their own benefit.

        Amanuel so do we need to visit also the border court UN was one of them too . Do you think UN has any tools to stop people from traveling .HGDEF only need china and the arabs , they do not need any country from the west.By the way Italy is doing business with HGDEF what does it show you any way.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam,

          I just stated the fact. Whether UN will enforce or not was’t my argument. Look I was answering to your speculation to this statement of yours: ” i wonder if the sanction was to the dictators or to the Eritreans people.” Selam you are all over back and forth. When some tries to answer to you, remember also what your question was to understand the answer. Sorry to say that but “Ritibti Aykonkin selam”. Could you learn something from Guest. If you don’t have short memory about what you have said, you will not be a candidate for a debate.

          • selam

            I do not understand what you want to me to remember except the fact that i told you HGDEF is using every thing that comes from UN to hold our people hostage. You see HGDEF used the war to deflect the wave of the Eritrean prosperity.

  • selam

    Ja it was and i wonder if we Eritreans care what this mad person says . First he never talk important thing about Eritrea. You see here in Eritrea the ethiopian opposition groups are grown a force to reckon with almost 50,000 men and they are coordinating to create one formidable opposition . At the moment it is for the Ethiopians to focus on what he says not Eritreans.

  • selam

    So many people are emotional and their reaction is just to much to comprehend and i wonder if we are left with such people. How could any one spend too much time and energy to figure out this HSBC thing.

    First there is no prove this money is owned by a group of corrupted leaders , second even if this money is owned by some names in Asmara . I am wondering who in the right mind is going to challenge a legitimate government about this money.

    The legal bases are very very narrow. HSBC is a multinational Bank with 2,6 Trillion dollar in assets and base cap vale of 192 B dollar .Can you imagine these who are talking about half billion dollar to sue HSBC or to freeze this 699 million dollar. HSBC will fight for their client to the teeth if this money is held by a private person or a legitimate government and there is nothing a grand lawyers can do.
    Even if you have a petition to freeze the asset it is highly unlikely the bank will listen to such noise. On top of that the lawyers who want to pursue such case need a starting point in this case there is none.

    So why will we waste our time and money to find nothing ? We have so much cases that we need to pursue , so i hope we stop being hyper emotional and focus to the main fight

    • ‘Gheteb

      So, what is it exactly you are suggesting those who oppose HGDEF to do? Now, please I want you to take a hard look at the problems of those opposing the Eritrean regime led by the tyrant Mr. Afeworki and suggest what needs and must be done?
      Full disclosure: I posted previously as Guest, but henceforth it will be under ‘Gheteb.

      • selam

        To come up with a vision that unites all the opposition and Create one strong opposition by uniting all the t fragile groups so that we can challenge HGDEF. At the moment what we have are just old men with old ideas , or some of them are still not out from their caves built in 1980th.

        • ‘Gheteb

          A good starting point. Now go farther and share how one goes about creating “one strong opposition by uniting fragile groups…..” Here, I am looking for a practicable and doable action plan. I like the fact that you are thinking big and I hope you will come up with something big here!

          • Saleh Johar

            Gheteb,
            Isn’t that our problem? It’s as if we just have to declare our wish for the opposition to be united and, abracadabra, they are. Then we can do everything we want to do. Please keep me in the loop and tell me when you hear about a “practicable and doable action plan” from anyone 🙂

        • Peace!

          Selam,

          I can’t agree more. The opposition groups are not only ineffective, but also often distractive that they are good only on creating pernicious categories.

          Peace!

    • Peace!

      Selam,

      Well said. It is crystal clear that the prospect of finding the truth about the accounts is very slim given the entrenched barriers the financial institution put for its defense. Our problem, however, is the hate for PFDJ is too inflated and is starting to take a toll on how our brain functions. The reality is PFDJ is still collecting the 2%,in some countries 3%, from our next door and probably, using same Bank.

      Peace!

      • Saleh Johar

        Peace, I must confess, I wish my brian can be inflated some more to accomodate more hate for the PFDJ. I feel one cannot hate the PFDJ enough. The problem of some Eritreans not hating the PFDJ, but not hating it enough. I don’t know how can one love the PFDJ, even a little love 🙂

        • Peace!

          Dear SJ,

          well, the extent of hate you wish to have can be a distraction for addressing issues and frame strategies to solve them in a pragmatic way. I wish hate is the solution for our problem. DIA would have gone long time ago. May be, may be, we should love him so we can focus on how to get rid off him. In other words, if love can help us get rid off him, why not?

          Peace!

          • Kokhob Selam

            I could have agree really and say ” if hate didn’t help us let us try love” but the problem is – big portion was with PFDJ side loving them and all faill – and they start to hate PFDJ one by one. so loving PFDJ is a failed business . so give us some other solution. I think we should expand the brain to get space for hate only PFDJ more which automatically will give more space for love of our people and nation.

          • Peace!

            Kokhobai,

            I didn’t say we should try love for a solution. It is a fact that the major problem for pursuing effective struggle to get rid off DIA is too many distractions, and unfortunately one of them is hate. Given any hate driven argument or strategiey is doomed to fail, why waste precious time? My point is if hate is playing a distraction role, why not put it aside, and focus on the course.

            Peace!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ok, show me now how the course can take place without hate. can I love God without hating devil? can I? show me how it works and I will really appreciate you for that.

          • selam

            Both of them does not existed (GOD and EVIL) to love and hate, what you have in mind is just the influence of the best fiction told by self loving people not like IA though. But here HGDEF does exist and it is a logical way of expressing crime by hate. Of course hate takes people to do insane things and that is not needed at this time

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam this is new knowledge for me. please SHEWEYA ALEYE. if PFDJ fail in my hands, I may not commit crime as far as they don’t have power to kill, arrest and all crimes they are doing today. but when some one is still powerful doing what he wants against the nation how can I love them and expect me to change? I didn’t really understand.

          • Peace!

            Kokhobai,

            Using our left side of our brain can help us avoid emotions, focus on the course, and think logically. Please forgive if I sound sarcastic.

            Peace!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Good argument KS.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Good argument KS.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Kokhob,

            Our struggle for independence could probably be a good example. It seems we were more focused in getting rid off Ethiopia than pursuing an independent, free and prosperous Eritrea. Similarly, if our sole drive (or if our top priority) in our current struggle is hate and removal of PFDJ then we could be in big trouble. Our priority and driving force should be people centered, not PFDJ centered. At least that how I see it.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam peace,

            Don’t fight against a single man, fight against the institution he built in. He is fighting us with his institutions. He might go sooner or later, but the institution he built and those who believe on his institution will remain intact to continue the system.

          • selam

            I agree, most people just do not understand the effect , even when he go or some thing like that HGDEF will still remain dominant . That is the reason we need to fight to dismantle the whole institution of HGDEF .

          • Kokhob Selam

            so why we dismantle it if we don’t hate it. if you love something you should keep it. isn’t it?

          • Hope

            Come on Selam yine Shani lebekiri,
            -Be reasonable as usual.and follow common sense Principles and Pedagy 101.as “Dismantlement” needs serious steps to be followed up:
            -A well-coordinated Strategy
            -Effective and Efficient Resources and Its management(material and Human)
            -Practical and step-wise coordinated Implementation.
            As to your debate on the HSBC Corruption,you and Field Marshal Mahmoud Saleh said it well besides what the Article analysed to th epoint—kudus to Mr Johar….as well!
            -I admire you for your realistic and visionary approach in bringing change in Eritrea but expect more distractors though as there are people here who are good-for -nothing(with apology) but argue for the sake of arguement;and ignore those ones.
            -No need to be swayed by what people tell you and their name-calling nonesense.
            -No need to talk about hating the PFDJ and repeating the Litany about the PFDSJ sins and crimes but keep being solutinon-oriented.No sane person /Eritrean will support the PFDJ Gang(not all are bad though).

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Agreed, that’s the ultimate goal, but there are differences on how we should pursue toward that without putting our national security in danger. I strongly believe getting rid off DIA will gradually lead into a total dismantlement of all the institutions he builds. Your approach, at least based on your previouse comments, is to aggressive, too risky, and doesn’t take the capacity into account. I like one bit at a time when dealing with risky business.

            Peace

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear peace,
            Let me tell you for sure this: At this juncture there isn’t any national security risk from outside if that is your concern. Keep my word for history. The issue of national security is always invoked either by PFDJ supporters as a political shield to protect the regime, or by those who still think about unrealistic foreign conspiracy against our sovereignty. The Eritrean sovereignty is solid and irrevocable reality. I have stated many times about this issue. Let us not forge unsubstantiated reality in our mind. Peace, I am not aggressive nor do I have a risky political journey. But I stood firm for a fundamental change to our current reality.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            First of all, I don’t think the issue of national security is the concern of DIA and his supporters. The point I am trying to make strategy that exposes the country to civil war endangers our national security. I mean, for example, Somalia is a sovereign state, but look, the wrong type of change brought to the country.

            Peace!

          • Hope

            Aman,
            -Your principle and approach is acceptable in Pricnciple and as as a “Guiding Principle” but Peace said it clearly.It is simple Pedagogy 101.Any business is risky, and as such,you have to follow some principles of Risk Management!
            -Did you listen to Mr Kubrom Dafla,SAAY’s Testimony and that of his brother,Ali Abdu?
            -Dismantlement of such an intricate System reuqires an intricate approach–starting with the Head—-then–,as Ustaz Saleh Johar said it,’Weeding out the PFDJ” is a principle and it should be done the way the EPLF and TheEPRDF did to the Derghi and Essepa.
            It is so simple but NOT easy for obvious reasons.The so called “Colleagues” are NOTHING after the head is gone…
            Eritrean Security and Sovereignty is under Threat-be it real or perceived.
            The Joint Ethio-Djibouti Alliance few yrs and now being renewed;and the Ethio-Sudanese Alliance are indeed are serious thretas.
            Did this materilaize?Of course.The worst casuality in the Eritrean History happened in Tessenei with the help of the Sudanese Gov.Baduma is NOT Eritrean Sovereignty in your books,Mr Amanuel Hidtrat,unless you are still holding active the Certificate of Graduation from Dedebit PMMZ provided you with.
            Therefore,do not even try to distract Eritreans.

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace, indeed. You are right. But if hate meets the PFDJ it would have been resolved long time ago. The PFDJ and those who hate it are perfect match–the hindrance is the energy that gets in the way and which is confused to see its ally. Also, nothing distracts those who want to run a marathon sitting in their sofa, they just distract those who are focused. Think about it that way–pragmatism follows that rational 🙂

          • Peace!

            SJ, if PFDJ and those who hate are perfect much, then people should not be bothered by whats in the mind of the silent majority. It is a bit confusing to accuse the silent majority for being silent and for being an impediment simultaneously.

            peace!

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace, I never believed and I don’t belive silence in the face of our predicament is akin to a neutral position. It’s not. Silence us the impediment. Do not present silence and impediment as two separate positions. They are not even twins, but one whole. Accusing somone of silence means accusing him of being an impediment. If it was not for the impediment and distraction, I would have no problem with silence.

  • Kaddis

    I just listened to Isayas Afeworki’s interview with Eth satellite TV or ESAT. So sorry for you guys to put up with his dreadful interview two or three times a year. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t have a parliament to report periodically cause one MP might find it irritating and will cut him short. MPs tend to become vocal more and more based on their protection while having a seat in Parliament.
    On substance – look forward on reading a summary from Eritrean side but from the Ethiopian side – not much.

    • Abinet

      Hi Kaddis
      I got an old joke for you.
      Menge was giving one of his long speech at the OAU. It was too long everyone was sleeping. His adviser noticed this and asked him to make it short. He said,”conclusion yabjulet ” .Menge didn’t understand him so he just continued . After he finished, he turned to his advisor and asked him what he was saying. This time the advisor replied in Amharic and said , lengigiru mezgiya yabjulet “. Menge was so mad and asked “Tadya door atlim neber?”
      According to menge “conclusion ” means “door ”
      My question to you
      YeIsaias interview mezgiya neberew?

      • Kaddis

        HI Abinet – I tried to reply to you under the first Amharic entry by TK. Menge jokes are crazy although fading.
        best,

    • selam

      The interview does not belong to Eritreans so we have nothing to say i guess. But you can ask some of our amhara friends

      • Abinet

        FYI,
        There are no Amharas at awate university. Only Ethiopians .
        Yeqenyeley

        • selam

          So go ask the so called Ethiopians. I am wondering if you want to defend the weyane regime here .
          ESAT is more strong news organization by far and they do have their own analysis ,

          • Kokhob Selam

            እሳት ማ እሳት በላቸው እኮ !!

          • selam

            Hi habte & Kokhob selam
            Last week i already told to some awatesita that i do not understand this language. It is good to understand a know any language and communicate with people like you but i really do not understand. If you can write in Arabic , Bilen , Tigre, Tigrina and English that will be nice.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Sorry Selam I didn’t know that. My first language is Amharic and 2nd is Tigrnya (tigringa) then I have also learned (thanks to our Gedli days) Tigre, Bilen to some level. of course Arabic -is very important language and by know I have learned enough to my ordinary life but I have even some simple poems. I can try English also as you can see. so next time I will reply to you in Arabic or English.

            you love investigating, getting the truth so if you are young you should try to learn other languages also.

          • selam

            I am learning chines. What do you you think ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            why not? it depends if you are 10 years old do it. Lol, careful by the time you become old you may not able to learn languages. by now you should learn what is important for you first. at the end of the day language is for communication. by the way I love to learn Erdu, just to sing love songs. Lol.

          • habte

            Selam
            tentem hone zare gina endayenew
            sined sekatel meske esat new

          • Abinet

            “The so called ethiopian ”
            That is funny.
            Defending woyane? Why not as long as they do the right thing. I’m also the first one to criticize them when they do stupid thing. It is normal . I guess.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          I can understand well Amharic and I just feel astonished on the journalists for not having any know-how of Tigrigna language but pretending as if they were understanding what he was saying. Big smash for ESAT journalists and it shows their empty head.

      • Peace!

        Salam,

        Soon the real Amharas will join the awate university, and they will probably be happy to elaborate not only the interview, but also the brutal weyane’s oppression in general.

        Peace!

        • Abinet

          What do you mean by real Amhara? I’m an ethiopian first and an Amhara second. I come from an Amhara family starting from my great great grand parents. I have never been proud or ashamed of it . Do I qualify to be real Amhara?

          • selam

            If you are from Amhara you better listen to what the mad isias said. I mean weyane is doing what ever it takes to stay in power and hold ethiopia for ransom they are the same with HGDEF.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            If Ethiopians are going to listen DIA, then, Ethiopia will be one of the worst country in the world in producing refugees. DIA got puppets from ESAT and spread his venom to divide Ethiopia through civil war. ESAT are very stupid to be swayed easily by this madman from Asmara. May be the worst losers in the Ethiopian history. DIA is using thel to spread his venom against Ethiopians.

            ESAT should learn from Nelson Mandela.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMT36t6BADc

          • selam

            owww , mandela ? ESAT is a news organization not political party . They are way smart than you think and if you traveled to Holland you can chat with them. Any way ESAT should not be our concern they belong to ethiopia not Eritrea. IA will use any means to do what he loves to and that is not a rocket science to understand. Issias is doing what ever it takes to stay in power as weyane does and that is not a secret either. Weyane has eritrean oppositions on their bank and do not forget it was meles who has interview with Eritrean opposition news like Assena( Amanuel eyasu and others) so that is just a river flowing where ever there is steep fall.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Did I say ESAT is a political party? This is what I wrote, “DIA got puppets from ESAT and spread his venom to divide Ethiopia through civil war.” And if you miss the word “SPREAD”, I am talking about spread of information and who spreads information?

            People who did interview Melles helped to create a confidence and trustee among the Ethiopian people and Eritrean people. They clarified the ambguity that existed between the Eritrean people and PFDJ. And Melles did not use the opportunity to spread venom against the Eritrean people but to be come-out united for peace. Rather ESAT were used as a tool to transfer the venom towards Ethiopian people so that they need to fight, a civil war.

            TPLF and now EPRDF might be not according to the maximum level of democratization process and equity of economic shares, but to his level best, he transformed Ethiopia from once a feudal, kinship and later socialist and one-man state into a country which hosts a diversified political parties who are able to manage smooth transfer of power through elections. This is the biggest political success in the horn of Africa. And economically, they are miles superior than they were, both at governmental level and well-being of society.

            When Eritrea is hosting hundred thousands of armed Ethiopian armed fighters, Ethiopia is hosting hundred thousands of Eritrean refugees. From which side do you think the venom is spreading? PFDJ is more than anytime ready to divide Ethiopia and to do that he is buidling an army. ANd this is were the puppets from ESAT became a victim of this narciccist man from Asmara.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XtOnd3I3w

          • selam

            where do you see the transfer of power ?from who to who ? EPRDF are leading ethiopia by iron fist not different than IA and i am wondering if you are defending Weyane here ?
            come on you are more than . Meles is evil to the eritrean people and thanks Z he is dead now.

            I am wondering if you are saying the election of ethiopia is your example to follow. Good for you with 96% vote counted and all of them voted for Weyane wawww , that was the last election.

          • selam

            what you most do not understand is that , you have zero knowldege of the current ethiopian regime I do not blame you for that as far as your ideal government in addis abeba is doing fine.

            About the oppositions, there are eritrean opposition groups in Ethiopia, who are killing innocent people inside eritrea . You can not just talk like that tesfe . I know deep from the debrezite meeting, to dedebit meeting and as far as to Belgium meeting.
            if you believe in ethiopian of doing business , go ask any person from oromo, and you can aslo find people from gambela .

            If you want to dig more you just can go to tigraionline.com and if you wish you can help them . because you sound exactly like the tigrai on line editors.
            But lets Abinet comment here .

          • Abinet

            Hey Selam
            I don’t know why you bring me here . I was just enjoying your chats with Tes.
            I’m sure by now you know my stand regarding democratic transfer of power in ethiopia.
            I do not expect democratic governess in my country in the near future. All I need is to see the basic needs of my people fulfilled. I love to see vocational education for all, basic health care, clean water, electricity, job opportunities, shelter, enough food for all atleast 3 times a day,etc. I don’t ask too much or put my hopes very high. Don’t think I’m a pessimist. Not at all . I know the reality and how challenging it is. We are talking about 100 million people.
            If we satisfy these, slowly we will tackle corruption and nepotism. Then comes democracy at last.
            In short , I don’t understand the concept of democracy while I’m in a dark, while I’m hungry, thirsty or while my level of education is very low .
            I believe the country is in the right direction to fulfill my dean . I’m elated about it.
            Democratic governess? We will get there . Slowly but surely.
            Yeqenyeley.

          • selam

            Do you think weyane are transferring power from one to another . How was the last election ? unless all the demand you have are just great but really i do not think it is possible to achieve with weyane .
            So do you support weyane ? do you think the 18million oromo people are satsfied by weyna,

            The reason i ask you to weigh in was that tesfe does think weyane are doing great according to his metrics.

          • Semere Andom

            Greatness is relative. Ethiopia under Woyane and the coaltion , like any other African country has built-in risk of failure, but is doing better than any previous government it had. Compar to Eritrea also it is doing much better, it was able to lift Tigrayans from the destitution of a century. The relative freedom it enjoys is chaotic by nature and you will see people expressing their discontent and if that is addressed and managed, coupling it with quantifiable improvement in the lively hood of the people and the respect of their human right, it will have a shot to succeed. No one should expect perfection from any government, but the pursuit towards a civilized society where the trained killers (formet tegadalty and soldiers ) are subservient of the civilian elected government is the measuring stick. After the passing of PMZ Ethiopia transferred power peacefully, the next election is an other test, how it is conducted. I think the Woyane made soul searching a long ago, prepared for this when Deg Fell, but along they will make mistakes, they will commit crimes, some premeditated and some accidents, but I think PMZ set the tone and that is how we should look at ait and no reason and need to romanticize Ethiopia. We do not call it a democracy, we call it a fledgling democracy. If it fails along the way, it failed trying.

            Now back to PFDJ, is the very anti- thesis of Woyane. Eritreans were unanimous in their support for EPLF, it was easy to transform Eritrea and lift the people form a century of brutality, EPLF made the conscious choice to enslave them, while the TPLF, it seems that they did their soul searching that befits their past, EPLF did the same, they followed what befitted their past, the past of liquidation; one is hard pressed to find any disagreement that was solved peacefully in the history of EPLF, but you can bring at least one in the case of TPLF. The later had hostile population but the combination of vision and brutally modesty in their capability to rule solo made good choices that is chugging along until now .Even IA in Freudian slip said that Ethiopia has emerged as the African super power, goblem Africa.

            The PFDj supporters, the romantics and the semi PFD supporters are quick to demonize Ethiopai denouncing the one party system and sham election as they call it, while their country does not even have election and one party system, they have one man system or as SJG once called the G1. The TPLF had the balls to run election.

            As an Eritrean I am delighted what the TPLF have accomplished for their people, we should all rejoice, but as an Eritrean I thank them and I am even more overjoyed by their unwavering belief in independent Eritrea, unequivocally , these themes are weaved in their speeches and the songs of their Dedebit years.
            I am expecting an A+ grade from my good friend Mahmuday for this comment;-)

          • Abinet

            Selam
            I prefer to use the “current regime ” than woyane.
            As I try to say before, there are a lot of occasions I agree with the the current regime specially when it comes to economic progress. When it comes to democratic transfer of power, my hope is they transfer power among themselves (eprdf) peacefully. I think the power stays with EFRDF in the foreseeable future. I also believe we can achieve most of my dreams with “woyane ” in power. I really don’t see a formidable opposition to EFRDF.
            I like bread/dabo/ ambasha before democracy. Hey, I even prefer corn than Teff

          • ወቸ ጉድ

            “I like bread/dabo/ ambasha before democracy” – translation ሆዳም

            your forefathers are turning in their graves. At least they were not ለሆድ ያደሩ

          • Abinet

            You are funny
            You must be living in another planet. If you know the poverty level , the illiteracy level, the infant mortality rate etc , you wouldn’t preach me democracy. For me democracy is very elitist.
            Mejemerya yemeqemechayen alech zinjero.
            Saymoq fela athun
            Take baby steps. Tell that to your elite friends. Not to me . I know very well how poor my people are. I have seen people eat from a dumpster in the middle of addis. We are always one dry season away from famine. We have farmers who can’t produce enough for their families. Go ahead preach democracy to them and see if they pay attention to your sermons. They have a lot to worry about. Like feeding their children or buying a piece of cheap cloth to cover themselves.
            Yes! I say dabo leterabe
            Democracy leTegebe
            Keep pretending as if you are from a rich country. We know each other very well.
            BTW, my forefathers are turning in their graves not because I’m “hodam “, but because i can’t even afford my food.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            AMEN!,
            .
            K.H

    • T. Kifle

      Kaddis, here is a good summary by Jossy Romanat

      ESAT- የኣቶ ኢሳያስ ታሪካዊ ቃለመጠይቅ

      ኢሳት ቴሌቪዥን ለብዙ ሳምንታት ያስተዋወቀውና ኤርትራ ድረስ ሄዶ ከፕሬዝዳንት ኢሳያስ ጋር ያካሄደውን “ታሪካዊ” ቃለመጠይቅ ተመለከትነውና ትንሽ ታሪካዊ እውነታዎችን ጨምረን ለኢሳት ወገኖች እንዲህ ኣቅርበነዋል፡፡

      1. የፕ/ት ኢሳያስ ጤንነት – ERi TV ስታይል:
      የኢሳት ጋዜጠኞች ቃለ መጠይቁን የጀመሩት በ ERi TV ስታይል ነው፡፡ ብዙ ጊዜ የኤሪ ቲቪ ጋዜጠኞች ፕሬዝዳንቱን ቃለ መጠይቅ ሲያደርጉ የመጀመያ ጥያቄኣቸው የሚለው ነው፡፡ ፕሬዝዳንቱም “በጤና በኩል በጣም እድለኛ ነኝ ሙሉ ጤንነት ነው ያለኝ” ብለው በተፈጥሮ ካልሞተ ሰውዬው ኣይወገድም ብለው ለሚያስቡ ኤርትራውያን ተስፋችሁን ቁረጡ የሚል መልእክት በማስተላለፍ ነው ወደሚቀጥለው ጥያቄ የሚያመሩት፡፡ ኢሳቶችም ጥያቄዎቻቸውን በዛ መልክ ሲጀምሩ ሳቄ ነበር የመጣው፡፡

      2. የቃለ መጠይቁ ቋንቋ፡
      ኣቶ ኢሳያስ ምንም እንኳን ኣማርኛ ቢችሉም ቃለመጠይቁን በትግርኛ መስጠታቸው ትክክል ነው፡፡ የገረመኝ ግን ሰውዬው ሲያወሩ ቋንቋውን የማይሰሙት ሁለቱ ጋዜጠኞች ምን እያሰቡ እንደነበረ ነው፡፡ የሆነ ጊዜ ላይ ይሉኝታ ያዛቸው መሰለኝ ፋሲል ራሱን ሲያወዛውዝ መሳይ ደግሞ ፈገግ እያለ ነበር፡፡ ጋዜጠኞቹ ለጥያቄዎቻቸው ምን ኣይነት መልስ እንደተሰጣቸው ለማወቅ ቃለ-መጠይቁ እስኪተረጎም እንደኛ እንደተመልካቾቹ ሳምንታት መጠበቃቸው ቃለ-መጠይቁን “ታሪካዊ” ያደርገዋል፡፡

      3. ወያኔን የፈጠረውና ለስልጣን ያበቃው ሻእቢያ ነው:
      ከቅርብ ጊዜ ወዲህ ግንቦት 7ቶች ሻእቢያ ወያኔን ኣስወግዶ ስልጣን ላይ ያስቀምጠናል የሚለው ኣስተሳሰብ በደጋፊዎቻቸው ዘንድ ለማስረፅ በኢሳት በኩል የጀመሩት ፕሮፐጋንዳ ኣንዱ ወያኔዎችን የፈጠራቸውና ወደ ስልጣን ያመጣቸው ሻእቢያ ነው የሚል ነው፡፡ ይሄንንም ለማስረገጥ ጥያቄውን ለፕሬዝዳንቱ ቢያቀርቡም እነሱ የፈለጉትን ‘ኣዎ እኛ ነን ወያኔን ፈጥረን ለስልጣን ያበቃናቸው’ የሚል ነገር ከፕሬዝዳቱ ማግኘት ኣልቻሉም፡፡ ከዚህ በፊት “የግንቦት 7 ህዝባዊ ሃይል ተመሰረተ” ተብሎ ልክ እንዳሁኑ በኢሳት ሞቅ ሞቅ ሲደረግ ሲሳይ ኣጌና ‘ህዝባዊ ሃይሉ ወያኔን ለስልጣን ያበቃው የሻእቢያን ድጋፍ ስላለው ወያኔን የማስወገድ ስራው የማራቶን ሩጫን ያህል ቀላል እንደሚሆንና በወራት ጊዜ ውስጥ ሊጠናቀቅ እንደሚችል ሲያበስረን ትንሽ ተዝናንተን ነበር፡፡

      ነገሩ ወዲህ ነው::ህወሓቶች ተሓህት የሚል ድርጅት መስርተው በረሃ ሲወርዱ ህዝባዊ ግንባር (ሻእቢያ) ትግል ላይ ከ 13 ኣመት በላይ ሆኗቸው ነበር፡፡ በነዚህ 13 ኣመታት በልምድም በመሳሪያም የተጠናከሩ ስለነበሩ የተወሰኑ ታጋዮች እዛ ሄደው መሰልጠናቸውና ጥቂት የመሳሪያ ድጋፍ ማግኘታቸው ኣይገርምም፡፡ ጨቅላው ወያኔ ትግል እንደጀመረ ገና ሙሉ ለሙሉ ፊቱን ወደ ደርግ ከማዞሩ በፊት በርካታ ድርጅቶች ጋር ተዋግቶ ከትግራይና ከኢትዮጵያ ምድር ኣጥፍቷል፡፡ ጠራናፊት፣ ኢዲዩ፣ ጀብሃና የሻእቢያ ጓደኛ የነበረው ኢህኣፓ ተጠቃሾች ናቸው፡፡ ወያኔ ከ1977 ዓ/ም በኋላ ኣዲስ ኣደረጃጀትና ወታደራዊ ስትራተጂ ቀይሶ በጥቂት ኣመታት ውስጥ ደርግን ከትግራይ ሙሉ ጠራርጎ ኣውጥቷል፡፡ ይሄ ማለት ህወሓት በ13 ኣመት ውስጥ ትግራይን ሙሉ ለሙሉ ነፃ ሲያወጣ ሻእቢያ በ28 ኣመቱ ገና ከሳህል ተራሮችና ምሽጎች ኣልወጣም ነበር፡፡ የሚገርመው ደግሞ ትግራይን ነፃ ለማውጣት ህወሓት ያካሄዳቸው ታላላቅ ወታደራዊ ጥቃቶችና የተገኙት ድሎች ህወሓት ከሻእቢያ ጋር ሙሉ ለሙሉ ግንኙነት ባቋረጠበት ከ1977- 1981 ዓ/ም ባለው ጊዜ ነው፡፡ በርግጥ ደርግን የሚያክል ትልቅ ሃይል ለመገርሰስ ወያኔና ሻእቢያ ኣንዱ የኣንዱን መኖር ይፈልጉት ነበር ብቻ ሳይሆን ኣልፎ ኣልፎ በትብብር ደርግን ተፋልመዋል- የትብብሮቹ ሁሉ ቁንጮ ግን በቀይ ኮከብ ዘመቻ ደርግ ሻእቢያ ለማጥፋ በከፈተው ዘመቻ ወያኔዎች ተዋጊ ብርጌዶቻቸውን ልከው ወደ ሱዳን ሊሸሽ ሲዘጋጅ የነበረውን የሻእቢያን ህይወት የታደጉበት ዋነኛው ነው፡፡ በመጨረሻም ኢህኣዴጎች ደርግን እየደመሰሱ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ኤርፖርት እስኪደርሱ ድረስ ሻእቢያ ከምፅዋና ኣፍዓበት ኣላለፈም ነበር፡፡ ስለዚህ ማን ማንን ወደ ስልጣን ኣመጣ የሚለው ይወራረድ ከተባለ ሂሳቡ በዚህ መልኩ ነው መወራረድ ያለበት – ይሄ ማለት ግን የኤርትራ ህዝብ መስዋእትነት ኣልከፈለም ማለት ኣይደለም- ከሚገባ በላይ ከፍሏል፡፡

      4. የኢትዮጵያን ህገ-መንግስት ያዘጋጁት ኣቶ ኢሳያስ ናቸው::
      ጋዜጠኛ ፋሲል የኢትዮጵያን ህገመንግስት ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ እንዳዘጋጁትና (እንደዉም የሳቸው ጭንቅላት ውጤት እንደሆነ ይነገራል ይልና) ኣቶ ኢሳያስ የኦነጉ ኣቶ ሌንጮና የኢህኣዴጉ ኣቶ መለስ ሰንዓፈ ተገናኝተው እንዳዘጋጁት ኣድርጎ ለማቅረብ ሞክሯል፡፡ በዚህ ጉዳይ ፕሬዝዳንቱ ህገመንግቱ ከተዘጋጀ በኋላ ኣስተያየት እንዲሰጡበት በወያኔዎች ተጠይቀው ህገ-መንግስቱን እንደተቃወሙት ሆኖም ግን ወያኔዎች የሳቸውን ምክር ኣንሰማም ብለው በራሳቸው መንገድ እንደሄዱበት እቅጩን ተናግረዋል::ፋሲል ሁኔታውን ኣዛብቶ ኢሳያስ፣ ሌንጮና መለስ ሰንዓፈ ተገናኝተው ህገመንግስቱን እንዳወጡ ኣድርጎ ሊያቀርበው ቢሞክርም ሶስቱም መሪዎች በወቅቱ ሰንዓፈ ላይ የተነጋገሩት ደርግ ሲወገድ ስለሚቋቋመው የሽግግር መንግስትና ኦነግ ሊኖረው ስለሚገባ ቦታ እንጂ ስለ-ህገ መንግስት ኣልነበረም፡፡ የኢትዮጵያ ህገመንግስት የፀደቀው ደርግ ከወደቀ ከ4 ኣመት በኋላ በ1987 ዓ/ም ነው፡፡

      5. የኣቶ ኢሳያስ ቁጭት፡
      ባለፉት 24 ኣመታት በተለይ ደግሞ ከኢትዮ-ኤርትራ ጦርነት በኋላ በኢኮኖሚ፣ በወታደራዊና ዲፕሎማሲያዊ ትግል ወያኔዎች ፈርጥ ሆነው የወጡበት ብቻ ሳይሆን በዝግታ ሻእቢያን ወደማይናከስ ኣንበሳ ደረጃ ያወረዱበት ሁኔታ ነው ያለው፡፡ ለዛም ነው ኣቶ ኢሳያስ በቃለመጠይቁ ያለፉት 24 ኣመታትን በተለይ ደግሞ ያለፉት 13 ኣመታትን በተደጋጋሚ ሲረግሙ የተሰሙት፡፡ በትግርኛ በሚሰጧቸው ቃለመጠይቆች ደግሞ በየደቂቃው ያለፉት 13 ኣመታትን ክፉኛ ሲረግሙ ይሰማሉ፡፡ በኣሁኑ ሰኣት ኤርትራ ውስጥ ያሉትን ችግሮች (የወጣቶቹን በገፍ ከኣገር መውጣትን ጨምሮ) እንደ ምክንያት የሚያቀርቡት ባለፉት 13 ኣመታት ወያኔ በኤርትራ ላይ በጠነሰሰው ሴራና በሚከተለው ፖሊሲ ምክንያት እንደሆነ ይገልፃሉ፡፡ ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ደግሞ ኋላቀርና ደሃ ኢትዮጵያ ይሄ ሁሉ ችግር እኛ ላይ ለማድረስ ብቃት የላትም ይሄን የሚያደርጉት ከኣሜሪካኖች ጋር ተመሳጥረው ነው ይሉናል፡፡ ለማንኛውም ኣቶ ኢሳያስ ከቅርብ ኣመታት ወዲህ የድሮው “ኑና እንሞካከር” የሚለውን ድንፋታቸውን ትተው “ኣንድ ቀን ወያኔ መውደቁ ኣይቀርም ያኔ ጥሩ ጊዜ ይሆናል” የሚል ተደጋጋሚ ፀሎት ኣይባል ምኞት መግለጫ መስጠት ከጀመሩና በየተባበሩት መንግስታትና በኣፍሪካ ኣንድነት ኢትዮጵያ በሃይል የያዘችብኝ ቦታዎች ለቃ እንድትወጣ ኣስገድዱልኝ እያሉ ማለቃቀስ ከጀመሩ ሰነባብተዋል፡፡ይሄኔ ነው “ኣሁን ተንፍሷል” ማለት፡፡

      6. የውጪ ጣልቃ ገብነት፡
      በቃለመጠይቁ ኣቶ ኢሳያስ ያለፉት 24 ኣመታት የኢትዮጵያ ችግር የሚመነጨው ወያኔ ስልጣን ላይ ለመቆየትና ኤርትራን ለማዳከም ብሎ ኢትዮጵያን የውጪ ኣገራት ጣልቃ ገብነትና ፖሊሲ ሰለባ ማድረጉ ነው ሲሉ ይከሳሉ፡፡ በሌላ በኩል ደግሞ ይሄንን ችግር ለማስወገድና ባለፉት 24 ኣመታት ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሰረፀውን የፌዴራሊዝም ኣወቃቀርና የብሄር ብሄረሰቦች መብት እስከ መገንጠል የሚለውን ነገር ለመቀየር በኢትዮጵያ ጉዳይ ላይ ጣልቃ ገብተው ሊያስተካክሉት እንደሚፈልጉ ይነግሩናል፡፡ ባለፉት 24 ኣመታት በጣም ብንሸወድም ሁኔታውን ለመቀየር ኣሁንም ኣልረፈደም ባይ ናቸው (ኢሳቶችና ግንቦት 7ቶች ከፕሬዝዳንቱ ቃለመጠይቅ ያገኙት ብቸኛው ትርፍ ይሄ ይመስለኛል) እኛም መልካም እድል ብለናቸዋል፡፡

      7. የኣቶ ኢሳያስ የበጎ ገፅታ ግንባታ፡
      የኢሳት ጋዜጠኞች በግንቦት 7ቱ ዋና ጸሃፊ ኣቶ ኣንዳርጋቸው ፅጌ የተጀመረውን የፕሬዝዳንት ኢሳያስ የበጎ ገፅታ ግንባታን ሌጋሲ ለማስቀጠልም ሞክረዋል፡፡ ለዚህም እንደ ትልቅ ነገር ሲነግሩን የሰነበቱት ኣቶ ኢሳያስ ቤተ-መንግስቱን ትተው ከኣስመራ ወጣ ብሎ እየተገነባ ባለው መለስተኛ ግድብ ፅህፈት ቤት ከፍተው የግድቡን ስራ እየተከታተሉ እንደሆነና ቃለመጠይቁም እዛ እንዳካሄዱት ነው፡፡ በርግጥ ፕሬዝዳንቱ የኣስመራን ቤተመንግስት ትተው ምፅዋ ባህር ዳርቻ ላይ ሌላ ቤተመንግስት ከፍተው እዛ መኖር ከጀመሩ ቆይተዋል፡፡ ሆኖም ግን ብዙ ጊዜ ዲጂታል ካሜራ ይዘው ጋሽ ባርካና ዓንሰባ ሲዞሩና ፎቶ ሲያነሱ እንደሚዉሉ የኤርትራ ቴሌቪዥን ጥሩ ምስክር ነው፡፡ እንደው ፕሬዝዳንትን የሚያክል ሰው የኣንድን ተራ ‘ፎርማን’ ወይም ‘ኢንጅነር’ ስራ ለመስራት በረሃ ቁጭ ብለዋል ብሎ መናገሩ ራሱ ኣሳፋሪ ነው፡፡ ይሄ የበጎ ገፅታ ግንባታ ሳይሆን ጥላሸት መቀባት ነው፡፡ ከዛም ኣልፎ ግን ፕሬዝዳንቱ ዋና ስራቸውን ትተው ግድብ ለማሰራት ገጠር ውስጥ መመሸጋቸው የኤርትራ ወጣት ሁሉ ኣገሪቷን ጥሎ እየወጣ ስለሆነ ባለሙያ ስለጠፋ ነው ብሎ ማለት ቢቻልም እኔ ግን ዋናው የህዝቡንና ያገሪቱን ችግር ላለመስማትና ላለመጨናነቅ የሚደረግ ሽሽት ነው በሚለው የብዙ ኤርትራውያን ሃሳብ ላይ እስማማለሁ፡፡

      • Abinet

        Selam Ato Kifle
        Do you have anything in English? I don’t have access to Geez on iPhone.
        Thanks

        • T. Kifle

          Selamat Abi,

          it’s only in Ge’ez

          Sorry for not being of a help

          • Abinet

            Thank you TK. I’ll get it later.

      • Kokhob Selam

        yegermal !!

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Thank you for sharing T.Kifle

        ABout Issaias and his health, as a narciccist, yes he healthy because he feels good when he kills people and it only then that he sleeps well and remains healthy. And this a pur nature of Narciccists or psychopathic people like DIA. I hope ESAT will not fell in his trap.

        tes

      • Kaddis

        Thank you TK, – its a good one. If I need to add one thing, the President mentioned – there is a growing hate and suspicion among the two people; which was non-existent before due to Woyane’s action since the last 13 years

        I think its good he acknowledge this tension exists although, I believe, its not growing rather diminishing to some extent due to sites like awate.com, the Mediterranean tragedies which made it hard to blame only Ethiopia, globalisation and more reasons.

        Abinet – for your question of PIA’s main message – he is playing his part of the Ethiopian oppositions, armed or peaceful, campaign of trying to create a revolution of some sort in Ethiopia. Both Shabia and the Ethiopian oppositions knows military incursion specialy from the Tigray side is impossible. This will restart the TPLF hard-liners and Assabsitas campaign to hit Shabia hard and they may succeed this time in convincing the current leadership to act. Shabia wont risk this and let G7 fire a single bullet from Eritrea side.

        However, the interview adds noise to the opposition camp of instigating a revolt in Ethiopia which is the main purpose and strategy of all, I mean all of the main oppositions, in Ethiopia. Bear in mind that election is in few months time and the political discussion is adding momentum. So it may sever its purpose.

  • Nathan

    I first read this 2 days ago on a British Media (Financial
    Times) and I then read the same story on a South African news site as well as
    on reuters site and they all mentioned a single Eritrean account with a total
    fund of $695.2 million held in a Swiss bank. None of the sites did not
    release the name of the account holder. But there are growing
    speculations that the fund belongs to the regime (HIGDF) not that of Issayase
    Afowrki’s. Regardless under whose name the fund has been
    deposited into a Swiss bank, the fact this news has come out in the public
    domain, it is highly damaging to HIGDF and the leadership. While
    the youth of Eritrea
    are enslaved in a none ending military service with very little pay, the regime
    which exploits them through forced labour and systematically taking part
    in human trafficking those who wishing to escape from the country has accumulated
    $695.2million. I find it shocking!! The money belongs to the people not to the
    mafia style regime! Swiss bank should be
    sued by all Eritreans who fled their for dealing with a regime that has no
    mercy on its people. This is a blood money!

    • guest

      ” But there are growing speculatins that the fund belongs to the Generals,……”. Ouchy! We good – byed so many Generals in 2014 due to sudden deaths and ‘ car accidents ‘. We lost one more this weekend, General Ahmad Kakay, according to Zajel News Agency. If the account numbers/ codes are buried with the Generals, WADAA3AN YA MELAYEEN.

  • Nitricc

    you said

    “50,000,000 USD as an advance which was to be followed with an equal or more amount upon the delivery of the missiles. The deal didn’t pan out”

    A ) whose money was that? was it EPLF’s money or Mohammed said Barih? what is your sources about the exact “50,000,000 USD”

    B ) what was the reason for the deal for not to pan out?

    C ) if there was a party within the party that no one knew about under EPLF’s structure; why are you so surprised and ridiculing if the likes of Mahmud Saleh; who dispensed their duty honorably did not know about it?

  • selam

    Lets assume the money is stashed by HGDEF , which was taken from our hard working people by illegal means .This is not the only thing that get snatched from the eritrean people and this could not be the last thing they take.

    So in which way can we take this money back to the right owner(Eritrean people) ? unless we form a strong and inclusive opposition. At the moment we are blaming one another to find out whose idea is more radical to challenge HGDEF even if it means by dividing the Eritrean people in region , religion and so on . We never learned our lesson properly and yet HGDEF is just doing fine because they could care less about Eritrea.
    The role of the opposition could have been to hold HGDEF responsible but at the moment there is nothing these countless oppositions can do . They just do not have the means to challenge HGDEF. We keep blaming HGDEF for our mistakes . We failed to challenge HGDEF when he put half of the government (G-15) to prison. We run away to seek better life for ourselves and write so many things behind key board and the result is HGDEF still holding on and crush every one.

    Imagine if we all of us stayed in Eritrea and challenge HGDEF ?
    I can see you from my broken chair, some of you are saying ohh what a stupid idea or some will say what are you crazy.

    • Kokhob Selam

      That is what some of us keep saying. the way out is respect each other, it doesn’t matter what our back ground is. Lets not jump over just to cover our mistakes. the money we are talking for those all days is not the main thing we lost that is just very tiny part of the story. our problem is not even PFDJ only or DIA only it is the way we think that creates PFDJ. any dictator could have been there in Eritrea anyhow as the ground was ready to create it. PFDJ didn’t come over night just like magic. we have done a lot of mistakes and we have played our part, and now let’s ask pardon to ourselves accepting full responsibility.

      the amount we are talking about is just nothing we have lost heroes while we were still dancing.

      • Abinet

        Kokobe
        You know what we lost? 50+ years of development. I see people jumping up and down for 700 million. We lost in trillion in lost opportunities alone. Fifty years of lost opportunities!! And how many died in the process?

        • Kokhob Selam

          it is strange, human soul has become so cheap, People are trying to make sure who stolen the money as if they don’t really know. how many souls are in prison? how many have been killed? My God, for me my soul is the most precious thing, I don’t care about money much. in fact in the past I have done a big mistake in fighting against ordinary military men of enemies. no, no if I have to change my soul this time the cost is not money at all but the entire PFDJ leadership- and still I feel sorry for my death Lol.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            The talk on money and its relation with PFDJ and consequently to go after it is not an ultimate solution. It is another opportunity to expose PFDJ system on due facts. We can use it as an additional opportunity to fight legally the regime who eroded public properity under a cover of nation buidling process. And for this, few legal ewperts backed up by all justice seekers camp is enough to go after. it will be an all dimentional approach to squeeze the front lines of PFDJ junta.

            Dear KS, there is no doubt that most of the money belongs to PFDJ economic affairs office. Though it is by the name of individuals, it belongs to the front and hence is a public property. We need to take it away and use it during the transition period of post PFDJ Eritrea. For this, we should not underestimate for the impact it has in the struggle against tyranny we are carrying.

            Last but not least, it is not the amount that matters but our rights. Even no single penny should be stolen from the public.And if it did, we have to fight and bring the thief to the court.

            tes

          • selam

            Good words , but when do you think that is possible ? can you say some thing in years ?

            HGDEF can not and will not get out from Eritrea unless we all form one strong opposition, Until now there are none.
            There is no legal terms or avenues to hold this money .If this money is HGDEF money ,they can just wire to china or south Africa in one day .But yet there is no prove this money is HGDEF money either , there is no prove of that. The side effect of using unconfirmed news again and again is just not good for our struggle.
            Most people are hearing news that say HGDEF is dead or nearly collapsing but the fact is that they are not. IA is doing just what he want no difference from 1998 , i mean he is going out to party and some time walk or drive where ever he want and that shows how poor the opposition are.

            The Eritrean people is tired and the suffering is just too much, but why is the eritrean people inside eritrea not buying the out side news and the reason can be only due to the oppositions lack of coordination and their deceptiveness of the Eritrean people.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I do agree in all what you said. but when someone pretend he knows nothing about it and only this subject is more important than all the sufferings we went through,the only sharp reminder is what I said above. it is tough for me to hear someone saying “we need evidence” now at the end of Mafia’s era. Yet, I know the advantage of the information – the role it plays internally and externally. So don’t worry I am awaken. in fact we had similar articles and posts here in awate. and there was a poem in Jebena. SGL had graded it as excellent poem. I can’t find it now and I didn’t file it, you may have seen it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Tesfa Hawey I found it here it is. enjoy it.

            . . . . . .ባጤራ ውሒዱ . . . . . . .

            ባጤራ ውሒዱ ናይ ዓድና ናቅፋ :-
            እምብዛ በዚሑ ክትምንዘር ሸሪፋ ::

            . . . . .ምንዝርና ነውሪ እዝጊ ነይፈትው :-
            . . . . .ስርዓትን ሕገን እዩ ንሰላም ዝቐድው ::
            . . . . .ኢልናያ ዘይሰመዓት – ክሻ ተጠቕሊላ :-
            . . . . .ካብዝን ካብትን እንሆ ወሊዳ ዲቓላ ::

            ግን እባ ህግደፍ እንታይ ኣሰከፋ :-
            ኣየናይ ራህዋ ደጊም ከይሓልፋ :-
            ገንዘብ ኣጥፊኣቶ ቀደም ጨላሊፋ :-
            ንምንታይ ትጽበ ህዝቢ ክጭፍጭፋ :-
            ትኺድ ግዳ ትህደም ብእግራ ብክንፋ ::

            read it again to find the hidden meanings.
            ኮኾብ ሰላም 02/10/2014

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes, these are the kind of poems that captivate me… short and to the point. Excellent

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you SGL. getting such advice and direction from people in your level is great chance.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Thank you Kokhobay.

        • selam

          50 Years ? Are you adding the 30 years of our struggle ?

  • Yoty Topy

    A great article laying out all the possible scenarios with a surgical precision as to whose blood, sweat and tears belongs to that lamp sum.

  • selam

    You keep talking about light > i do not understand what you want to get from having light here or not.
    At one post you have told me you have no clue about Asmara and still you are talking about light in Asmara.

    ,

    • Abinet

      He is using a figure of speech. I don’t know how you missed it. It generally means you are looking for a lost item where the light is instead of where you lost it . I hope this helps a bit.

  • said

    Leading Western University Scholars’ War on the Current World Economic Order

    A very strong trend is building up among Ivy League and leading Western Academic Institutions Scholars and emeritus Professors shouting “Foul” to the current Western Economic order that’s becoming, by default, the entire world economic order. Coming to mind as currently heading the list among others whose views found expression in recent best-selling publications, are the following scholars:

    • Joseph Stiglitz: Noble Laureate for Economics; Columbia University Professor. His book, “The Price of Inequality: How Today’s Divided Society Endangers the Future,” 2012.

    • Mark Blyth: Brown University Professor of International Political Economy, author of, “Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea,” 2013.

    • Thomas Piketty: Paris School of Economics (EMESS) author od best seller, “Capital in the Twenty-First Century,” 2015. Attached a brief review by Professor Ian Morris of Stanford University.

    In other words, especially when one adds the views of the other world top scholars such as Noam Chomsky who figures Capitalism and Democracy are Contradictions in Terms, two mutually exclusive concepts.

    What’s most interestingly about these top learned scholars’ conclusions on the current World Economic Order as each one of them reviews it from a different specialized angle, that the Current World Economic Order is both: Dysfunctional and Untenable.

    The frightening aspect of all this is that as nevertheless the Current World Economic Order carries on force of the maxim of the “Golden Rule,” i.e., “The One Who Has the Gold, Makes the Rules;” the Order is bound to implode at the seams by virtue of social upheavals and State Intervention.

    When Jacques Attali, once the chief advisor to President Francois Mitterrand, published his book entitled, “Millennium: Winners & Losers in the Coming World Order,” 1991; Mr. Attali was presenting the narratives as foregone conclusions that the world has to accept and resign to. The book was presented as a Futuristic work with a foreword introduction by the world’s foremost futuristic author, author of the “Future Shock,” 1970, and series of other books, Alvin Toffler.

    Prominent world academics in the proven field of economics are now “Up in Arms,” screaming “Foul” for a World Economic Order requiring profound rethinking and complete rework-out of a system that seems to be floundering.

    This, ultimately, will witness the ushering in of an era where all the classical theories that upon which the Capitalist System is functioning would be profoundly revamped with an increasingly heavier hands of the state.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    As Mrs. Hayat Adem has pointed out, there is an inconsistence between the information in this article, and the one which was released by the ICIJ. The original ICIJ report tells there is a total of $699.6M in accounts related to Eritrea, and the largest single amount was $695.2M. Here, we are told that there were two accounts totalling more than $300M, which takes the total amount nearing a billion dollars. I think , there is a need of clarifying this discrepancy.

    • Saleh Johar

      AH,
      Both sources are included, but it may not be inconsistency. People open major accounts and subsidiary accounts that feed into a single account.For example, If you were Hagos Kisha 🙂 , you would open an account, and then open ten-accounts under it so that different operatives can deposit in their respective assigned accounts. You can make an arrangement with a bank to transfer the amounts from the subsidiary account to the major account either on agreed periods, like quarterly, monthly, or you can decide as per your requirements. There are many factors that need to be considered here…we are forgetting the system and how it works–it’s a labyrinth of confusing and deceitful institutions.

      For example, Mussa suggested a petition to freeze the account. He didn’t consider the legal hurdles that one faces in such an exercise. The cost of hiring a lawyer to do the job is prohibitive, without the diplomatic and political hurdles. Switzerland, and Western banks are well entrenched and are part of the system. It is not that easy. In short, we have also to out into consideration what is involved. The way the accounts are opened and managed are not straightforward.

      • T..T.

        Hi Saleh,

        The monies can be linked to embezzlement, fraud and/or money laundering. The Swiss Courts may find it difficult to initiate proceedings against Isayas on the suspicion of the above three. However, if the Eritrean opposition base their claims on human trafficking, for sure the UN and other organizations will take over. Grounds can easily be made on previous human trafficking scenarios where the calculations of illegal business earning from Eritrean refugees per year exceeded one billion US dollars.

        • Saleh Johar

          TT

          That is provided you assemble a team of lawyers and a budget of at least $1 million. It’s can only be done theoretically, not in practice. Call any international law attorney and ask for the fees, and the time it requires to take action–maybe then it will be clearer to you.

          • T..T.

            Saleh,

            There are many available literature on how to go about building cases that are supportable by the UN and other organizations. If our thinking is reasonable so also identifying the right strategy is possible. Reading the following may help us to believe that it is about “if there’s a will there’s a way” and not that “there’s a way only if there’s money.”

            Title of the article: Hitting Them Where It Hurts: STRATEGIES FOR SEIZING ASSETS IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES – By Charlene Whitman, JD1

            Link: http://www.aequitasresource.org/Hitting-Them-Where-it-Hurts-Strategies-for-Seizing-Assets-in-Human-Trafficking-Cases.pdf

            Quote

            Globally, trafficking activity nets over $32 billion in profits annually.

            Asset forfeiture primarily appears in one of two forms – civil or criminal. Civil asset forfeiture is not dependent on a conviction, and oftentimes can be pursued even where there is no criminal case pending. The standard of proof is lower in civil asset forfeiture as well, and, in a majority of states, requires proof by a preponderance of the evidence, with a few jurisdictions requiring proof by clear and convincing evidence.6 Criminal asset forfeiture, on the other hand, can only be obtained following a conviction, and is sought during sentencing or a separate forfeiture hearing and requires a showing that the property to be forfeited was part of the specific criminal offense.7 This STRATEGIES In Brief will discuss civil and criminal asset forfeiture as a tool in prosecuting cases of human trafficking and related crimes.

            Unquote

          • Saleh Johar

            But in the case of Eritrea, you are not going to sue a a small business. This involves international courts, diplomatic and political wrangling. Do we really have that capacity? If you think we have it, then I will support you.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            We don’t have for sure. But there is no doubt for as we can be able establish the missing part within the opposition camp. I read your confession and I thought that you were talking on this missing part and its necessity to establish an organization, not individuals but as a united force.

            tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saleh Johar

            It is not expensive at all. Even let the 1-5% (7-10 ,million be taken by the lawyers. There are definitely some firms who can work on this aspect. All we need is a legitimate opposition camp who can represent the people. Therefore, the problem is not with money but on the task force to established. In the mean, at least we can succeed in keeping the money as a hostage by opening a file against. And once PFDJ is removed, the then established government can collect the money by paying what is demanded. And sure it can save from falling in foreign debts during those critical transition period.

            It will not be easy but if we are sure to remove PFDJ, we can retain what he lotted from the people.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tes, I mentioned the prohibitive fees as an example. You said “all we need in a legitimate opposition camp…” I think any opposition is legitimate in Eritrea’s case, so, it is not legitimacy that is lacking. But considering the objective situation of the opposition, or any part of it, it’s not doable. I hole the view that we must focus on the root-causes, the branches would take care of themselves. This has been our problem in the opposition, we are reactive to current events to the extent that we forget the root cause is still there. I would hate to see people waste time and energy on debating suing or petitioning projects. Because, there is no energy or resources, or even diplomatic and political support, to sustain such a project. Remember, seen withing the total amount that HSBC has, the “Eritrean” amount that we are so excited about is not something anyone would be interested in. Besides, before we even take the first step, we need to know exactly who the account belong to. Suspicions are abound, but no court or lawyer will take a case based on perceptions and convictions without a proof. Drop it Tes, it will go no where 🙂

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            I agree on most but I might not agree on the “drop it” part. Dear Saleh my take is not as ultimate discourse but it is a good opportunity to create pressure. I do strongly agree that we need to verify the holder and at the same time I agree with you completely that governments have preferences on administering their asset in what ever is convenient.

            On the ownership, the task force can start researching on who owns the money and to do that for sure budget is needed. The leaks is meant for public awareness and for those interested to buy the document and then after to go after what is all possible. For example, the French businessmen might be asked by the French government to pay tax from what they have. The government has no right to confiscate all but to follow legal procedure so that the owner can pay what is needed unless the owner collected the money illegally.

            In our case, the legitimacy concern is not whether one opposition is or not but a collective representative legitimate task force that can ask on behalf of Eritrean people being in a position of the forces that oppose the tyranny in Asmara. For example, ENCDC, as a united opposition force and with collaboration with human rights groups and other not within the umbrella can establish a task force to start the research andverify who owns the money exactly. I do not have doubt if such task force is agreed to be established, a working budget will be the easiest. The duty of the task force can be on a fact findings mission and thereby open a fertile ground for further legal action. The good thing is, the Eritrean people by now knows there is around 700 million US dollars representing Eritrea and 32 people are listed within. To identify who are these 32 listed owners is also already at the hand of the those who own the leaked list. Therefore, no need to go to HSBC. Already we have two name lists at hand but we don’t know exactly who they are. At the sametime, through intensive research, it is not that much difficult to know exactly who these two.

            On minimum findings: at least the name of the 32 people can be made public and surely unexpected truth will be revealed about these individuals.

            Therefore, my call is let we take a responsibility. Having information is one basic thing and we have it already. We need to be strong on INVESTIGATIONS Saleh Johar. I know you are (and sure as a whole AT) has rich experience in this regard but it can also be extended to a mission based INVESTIGATION that can open the curtail that is hindering us from pursuing further. Just like the COI.

            tes

      • Guest

        Dear SJ,

        This is very interesting. If you think it is too expensive and deplomaticly challenging to drive a petition and have the account frozen, how easy do you think to weed out PFDJ? Y’gerem yu’

        Cheers!

        • Saleh Johar

          You do not compare matters that you have to do with matters that you cannot possibly do, given the objective situation. Weeding the PFDJ is a goal, and it is not measured in financial terms, or in time. What is the price of freedom? There is your answer.

          That is of course if you are not considering overthrowing the the Swiss regime for licensing HSBC 🙂

          Before you think of suing, even if it is doable, think of proof. That is all. Once we have a concrete proof, then we can entertain many ideas.

  • guest

    A question to Awate Team.
    someone in my circles, commenting to your title “HSBC:The Swiss Cave Of Ali Baba” is an embodiment of the Abbiside Era folklore ALF LAYLA WO LAYLA .The bank is owned by Petro Dollar rich Arabs. The secrecy of the account numbers are extracted from the combination of IFTAH YA SIMSIM’s numerical values of Abjad Hawwaz (a bu gi da ha wezo in ge’ez kind ). And the bank’s name acronym simply means ” your account” in arabic, minus the vowels, of course; thus, reading HiSaBaC. Is that the case or just moments of his light heartedness?

  • Gonbel

    Mussa,
    What kind of investigation would satisfy you? Would you request to be in the investigation team? I get it! Every body is of good will except PFDJ and they will investigate and hold the culprit accountable. Know thy limit is the usual refrain from SAAY! The article gave us a glimpse of what is at play here starting with the whistle blower(draw your conclusion as to which side he is) to world powers trying to influence a negotiation. Petition don’t amount to anything in this case!
    But, I still have to ask the damage done to you by the mere fact of a person, holding Eritrean passport, having money in foreign account, that they have to prove to you that it is legit? Aren’t you putting the cart before the horse if there is a possibility that it could be tied to PFDJ?

  • Etraw

    Awate Team uncharacteristically are too timid and cautious on the issue of the close to 700 million stashed at HBSC by people who identify themselves as Eritreans. In my book if there is smoke definitely there should fire be somewhere. We all know Eritrea is blinded and contaminated by PFDJ’s smoke and that is a fact no one can deny. If the PFDJ members and collaborators don’t like the accusations, then let them open the books, have a budget, and create an audit-able transparent system with full accountability. Absent of that, people are free to speculate what ever they want.

  • AMAN

    Dear Avates and istas
    I had a good political debate and communication with
    many of your readers, writers and observers thru your
    site on behalf of our people,country and historical values
    which is helpful for the present and future of building of a
    sustainable peace and prosperity thru justice and understanding.
    I am so pleased that things went as wishedand hoped and planned
    for me. I also hope or presume for you too.
    However, I want to clear one and only obstacle I had with you and many
    of your readers and participants. And that is my stand on the Ethiopian
    government. And I would like to correct it I guess. And Here it is :
    I THINK THE ETHIOPIAN GOVERNMENT DID OK OR ALLRIGHT
    WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT AND CHANGE.
    I hope I have cleared it I guess by accepting your many readers
    critic of me.
    Hope to hear more from THEM.

  • said

    The Rise of Rome” by Anthony Evrette, world foremost expert on Roman Civilization ,in his final conclusion was, “Except on the Surface, deep down, except for the False Empty Banners, nothing changed in the Long March of History.”

    When observe carefully around us “It is a Hopeless World,All the great reformers; greater thinkers; great sages of history and our contemporaries that for long we might admired and read about hardly made a Scratch on the Surface; not even a dent judging on the abject poverty and naked exploitations all around us.”, “All those thinkers, reformers and sages did not cause even a dent in the despondent reality of a poverty stricken world and the paltry few humans ‘Owning All the Gold'” and “Determining the Course of Events.”

    Actually, speaking of Democracy and the welfare state, both are “Farce,” part of the never ending ploy, “The Gimmicks at the disposal of those ‘Who Have the Gold.

    If I to speculate and have the liberty to go a little bit “Tangential,” I really believe all the ills of the Universe reside and is very deeply embedded in the ills of the human ego, deeply ensconced in the intractable psychic and idiosyncrasies of a very complex human nature: “Insecurity; Jealousy; crave for Possessiveness; Love for Dominance;and so

    what it all finally boils down to redeem an Unredeemable World, is, First and Foremost, before all the deflective varnishes on the Facades of the soothing niceties of empty utterances, such as the magic word, ‘Democracy’, is the “Reform of the Individual” by instilling through compliant moral, ethical and religious systems, “The Virtues of the True Spiritual Liberation” that could never be attained except in constraining the human ego, by reversing the wild process of the avaricious Drive of “Blind Material attainments as “Ends in themselves,” of “The Very Ethos of a Rampant Wild Capitalist System.

    “It is an Irreparable; unredeemable world.” Maybe that gives credence to the Clergy preaching “the perennial Bliss rewarding the Righteous in this Passage in this ephemeral worldly existence.”

  • Peace!

    Dear Mussa,

    Resting evidences on speculation and failing to consider the implications in terms of credibility are definitely problematic to even launch successful petition.

    Peace

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    I evaluated if your grading followed some procedurial standards. And when I reached to a sentence that reads, “…And, most importantly, they could have brought to the attention of their readers that there are special kind of drivers in Eritrea. These are the drivers of HGDEF’s Generals and Officials and they are the most TRUSTED ones by HGDEF’s officials…”

    Man, you are so innocent. I pray for you. You are so low and your PFDJ’s procedural grading standard has not let you to be free from your enslaved mind. poor Guest. You failed terribly here.

    • Guest

      Tes,
      I think you have totally misread what I have written. Allow me to paraphrase in the hope that it will become clearer to you. What I meant to impart and pass on to the reader about the DRIVERS of the PFDJ officials and Generals is that they are the most TRUSTED ones in the sense that they will co-operate with the PFDJ Generals and Officials in setting up bank accounts in their names. And, they will also keep secrets. Here, what I am saying is that the DRIVERS will aid and abet ( simply means HELP) in the set-up of fictitious ( fake) bank accounts in their names. But the actual account holders and owners are the corrupt and thieving PFDJ Generals and Officials. There, you see what I was trying to say. I was harsh in my grading of the AT report simply because it failed to dig deeper; render a better background information; and, importantly, it didn’t even try to connect the dots in rendering a guilty verdict against the PFDJ. I was going to give you an F grade, but I am going to go easy on you and let you walk away with an I ( that is for an Incomplete). Hope you will reread my comments and rectify your erroneous (mistaken) take on me. Just to help you a bit here, the PFDJ and me are from different planets and you associating me with the PFDJ is the farthest from the truth!

      • Gonbel

        Guest,
        Let me help if I can! Many of the moneyed Eritreans you hear so much about have made their fortune in the transportation industry. If you ask them about their occupation, many will tell you that they are drivers. This is not me trying to split hair. And also, this article doesn’t say he is a driver in Asmara in 2007.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Guest,

        You are damn good and well articulate individual. Your comments have many logical argument that I can own them to myself. On PFDJ issues we are almost look at each other eye to eye. But if I am not wrong (a) we are at different end on how to define the regime and its system (b) On how to adjudicate justice for the aggrieved social groups in our society (c) and as a result we will be at the opposite end on how the transitional democratic governance will it be. If I misunderstood you, could you say something on the three things I felt each other at odd?

        On a lighter note, I would like to give you unsolicited advice. While you are keeping your belief and your logical argument intact, I would like to see a change on the method you convey your views in order (a) to avoid people from misunderstanding you (b) to harvest the outcome of your accurate argument, clear thinking, and well focused debate. You have the potential to be the incisive great teacher.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hi Tesfabirhan WR,
      Here is an important question to you: do you read and understand very well before replying to commenters here in this form? I really doubt it; I can’t understand how you came to associate this commenter “Guest” with the PFDJ from his posting you’ve replied to?

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Don’t worry that much Abrham Hanibal,

        The way I read and the way you read is quite different. Just take it in such a simple way.

  • selam

    As soon as the term supporter of HGDEF is used, the debate shifts from a discussion of evidence,to a discussion of the perceived character assassination of the people who want to find the truth. If we play such information like the bank account from HSBC to be dominated by some activists and play and rewind with out fact .there is a high probability that we will lose the main base of our struggle against this dictator.

    is there any one who thinks that in 1987 EPLF deposited h money from asmara or any other place and let the money stay there ?
    I am not saying HGDEF does not cheat , of course they cheat and they commit crime , we have too much to tell about HGDEF so why are we misleading our people by making this HSBC thing as if we have prove

    • Semere Andom

      Sure. We need evidence for this and even we need evidence if the G-15 were actually imprisoned, I am serious, the defence can say and do anything to free their client. It totally possible that EPLF deposited money from Asmara in 1981, why not, there is not proof to the contrary. For all I know EPLF/PFDJ is capable to do so. This is not cheating, cheating is the margin of error we allow in a civilized society, if this proved it is more than cheating. Also it is very possible that some of the counts are owned by private Eritreans or Eritrean passport holders that has nothing to do with PFDJ, but in the same token government officials will be implicated and caught red handed, no doubt about it. So if private Eritrea with no connection to PFDJ hold some of the money by toiling around the world, that is good thing, but if the names H Kisha and IA and other GoE are fount then there is a problem Sahel. PFDJ tries to muddy the issue by mentioning USA and Canada accounts, there is difference between prv citizens who evade taxes and government officials who embezzle public money

  • Gonbel

    Guest,
    You guys (I don’t mean specifically you) gave the ammunition for the sycophants (your word) to celebrate. The information could have been used judiciously even before the investigation is exhausted to paint PFDJ in a bad light due to PFDJ’s opaque pattern. No, no…there is a chance here to alienate even more Eritreans of their affair, accusing them defending PFDJ for asking the connection between the story and GOE/PFDJ. Some are just lame imploring us to trust them when all the information they have is also available at our finger tips.

  • Saleh Johar

    See Guest, HSBC united us 🙂

    That was funny….

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Some facts about the leaked info regarding Eritrea:

    * Eritrea is ranked #53 among the countries with the largest dollar amounts in the leaked Swiss files. Total amount of stashed money was $699.6 million

    * 24 client accounts opened between 1981 and 2006 and linked to 39 bank accounts.
    This indicates there are some clients with more than one account

    * The maximum amount of money associated with a single client connected to Eritrea was $695.2M.

    * 32 clients are associated with Eritrea. 28% have Eritrean passport or nationality.

    * Arround 15% of the accounts relating to Eritrea are registered in the name of offshore companies

    * The rest, arround 85% of accounts are registered in the name of persons

    Source: http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/explore-swiss-leaks-data

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all

    Ted: I appreciate your input, that’s exactly what I am trying to say. The thing is some of us are endowed by virtues of getting to the hub early on instead of wasting their time in the labyrinth of details. Anyway, that’s the message I have been trying to pass.

    AT has tackled the news from different angle, addressed concerns of the gullible and the skeptic; but arrived at the right conclusion which I made days ago: the news is interesting, gets us to work harder to know its nature, but there is no conclusive evidence that leads us to believe it’s a PIA account. The folks now berating the fact-bound citizens are the same ones who had long plunged themselves to the abyss of fabrication; they were comparing their and contrasting, jumping all over the place spilling their sweats and spits.

    Now, Gashe Saleh is telling them, “HAVE FUN, but do it with moderation. Incidentally that’s what the truth-bound citizens had warned them from the get go.

    There is no one who said PFDJ, PIA…or anyone running on the blood of man can’t steal. What we have been saying is there is no enough information to take us either way. That’s pretty solid. You can’t beat that dust raising brouhaha.

    To the credit of Ethiopians: they have remarkably been steady, they took care of their King’s deeds; they didn’t cross the line.

    Next: we have a project we can all work on. Gual Adem expertise is needed. Read the paragraph below.

    “In 1981, Hassan Abdalla Bashir, then aged 24, opened an account with HSBC in Geneva as a “banker” when Eritrea was at war. Six years later [1987], it’s a Ghebreselassi Kidane Habte, 37, [presented to HSBC as a driver] residing in Asmara in 2007 has more than $ 106 million, while Hassan Abdalla Bashir, the “banker”, has more than $209 million. No information is available about these two characters in a country Amnesty International calls a “huge detention center, where prisoners, citizens in their own country, are regularly rounded up by the army, forced to work for a phagocyte party state.”

    1. Hassen or “The banker” opens an account in 1981.

    comment: That’s when we were pounded by Soviet made rockets in the rugged mountains of Sahel. There was no Eritrea then.

    2. ” Six years later [1987], it’s a Ghebreselassi Kidane Habte, 37, [presented to HSBC as a driver] residing in Asmara” I thin there should be a comma here if we are going to make a meaning of the rest.

    Comment: Again, 1987, I know Eritrea was within sight but not yet realized, so there is no way he can have an “Eritrean” document connecting him to Eritrea. The only connection is Asmara which was then “Ethiopian” not Eritrean, but since he continued his

    3. “in 2007 has more than $ 106 million, while Hassan Abdalla Bashir, the “banker”, has more than $209 million”
    Comment: Now, here is where things get more juicy.
    a/ OK, Mr.Kidane becomes an Eritrean because Asmara became an Eritrean. That’s all. You see there is no information per the paragraph as to who these dudes are. All we know is Mr.Kidane’s connection to Asmara in 1987. Could it General Hussien Ahmed of ሁ.ኣ.ሰ/ሁለተኛ ኣብዮታዊ ሰራዊት? That’s just for a joke, but with all honesty, the dude could be anyone. Hagos Kisha…Gen. ragasa jima, MerEd Ngusie…Wubetu Tsgaye or any Eseppa crook. It could stolen public fund ( If that’s the case, I am sure justice will prevail).
    b/ Meanwhile, no connection of Hassen to Eritrea has been established in the news so far available, let alone to a specific perpetrator
    Bottom line: dear guest, no Kuda or tewedeb has yet been organized, and the “fact” you are dicing is exactly the recognition that there is no “”fact to sway this news one way or the other.
    Overkilling and manipulating news sets our struggle back and slims our hope to see change in our beloved country country, because people judge you by what you set as an important topic agenda. There are more important and pressing reasons to highlight than twisting news prematurely.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    What do we expect from someone who “owns” a country, with all of its human and material resources? We do not yet have a hard evidence about the owners of the bank accounts; but we do have a very legitimate suspicion as to who might have stolen and stashed away these assets. I think, even if all the names of the acount holders are made public, chances are small that we might see names like Isayas Afewerki, and Hagos Gebrehiwet/ Kisha on the list. For a despot and a regime who have absolute control over an entire country, how on earth should it be difficult to fabricate fake identities? But at the end of the day, we expect the dealings of the culprits and shady identities would be exposed.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hassan Abdalla Bashir, Ghebreselassi Kidane Habte:

    Some issues here.
    1) The previous report said, of the nearly 700, 695.2 million belonged to one account. Now, the report, according to the above article, is saying the two names together own over 300 million, of which roughly 2/3rd is under Hassan and the rest 1/3rd under Gebreselassi. Now, either the two are under joint account or the previous report that indicated 99% as owned by single account holder is inaccurate. I wonder if writers of the above article could clarify on this.
    2) To the fact-bound debaters, I’m even more puzzled now. First, my problem with you was that you jumped quickly over the couch to deflect and dismiss by standing on the way of the growing truth. Now you are jumping another kind of jump. As if, in your rushed comments, you were not advising us to wait until all facts and proofs are out you don’t want to wait for facts and you have the liberty to declare victory and claim the trophy of “fact-bound debaters” all because of the above article from Awate. And the only thing the above article brought is two names and amounts that correspond with the two names. What else is new in the above article that made you jump wild?
    3) You don’t want to wait as you advocated and you now want to analyse the release of the two names in relation to our issue of concern? Fine, lets do it.
    We have two names. Their names sound typical Eritreans. One of them, Gebresilassie is a resident of Asmara. They both claim to be Eritreans and they have Eritrean passport. One is described as a “Banker” and the other is a “Driver”. Just in case a confusion, banker means someone employed in a bank, not owns a bank. Well, if he owned a bank, it wouldn’t not be inside Eritrea for obvious reasons, and if it were outside Eritrea, most likely, he wouldn’t have needed HSBC to put his money any way. So, all of a sudden two typical Eritrean filthy rich millionaires are tossed in air for us to know them.
    Now questions:
    a) if these were normal rich Eritreans, what are the odds that no one would have known them by name or association?
    b) if these money was a privately earned money, what are the odds these guys are not describing themselves as investors or business men instead of what they said (driver and banker)?
    c) What are the odds this amount of money can be possibly earned from the work occupations these two gentlemen has reported for themselves even under the best scenario?
    I don’t know about you but my answers to all the above questions are “nil”. My best shot?These are two carefully selected confidantes either for the party or for one or group of top officials with a make-break power. It is too much money for one or few individuals to be able to embezzle that much so more likely than not, it belongs to the former and the two are just emunat pfdj, renting their names and that may be why we don’t know them, nor does Google.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hayat,
      I think this is just a tiny part of the surface. Depositors can have a major account and other accounts linked to a major account. Maybe the single large account (695m) could be linked to several other accounts that feed into it. I believe there will be more to it that what we have so far. Rushing is not helpful in such instances, we should give it time; certainly sunlight, or flashlight, will penetrate those dark places. There is a wisdom in our tradition: “awahlil” and that applies to information as much as it does to saving money 🙂

    • Nitricc

      “…..Just in case a confusion, banker means someone employed in a bank, not owns a bank. Well, if he owned a bank,…”
      don’t assume every one to be stupid as you are. we know what banker mean.
      what a breakthrough analysis! really dedebit? what i don’t get is, what is to you? why don’t talk about your corrupted TPLF who earned millions at the nights of famine and starvation by selling food aid in the mid 80’s. According to you were kicking it in Addis with Kiros Alemayo so, you might not know about the crime against humanity your evil TPLF has committed. don’t worry about Eritrea and her money. mind your business.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hayat & SGJ,

      No matter how long we will wait, the truth of the matter is, no individual Eritreans can own such colossal of money and deposited it in an international banking institutions. To borrow Hayat’s word, these individual names are “rented names” for PFDJ enterprise. We will wait only to see the self-claimed “fact-bound debaters” to be “self-imposed-protectors-of-embezzlers.” PFDJ money transfer or interactions was and is done always under phony names.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ammanuel,

        You said, “no individual Eritrean can own such…money”

        Of course any individual can own lots of money, regardless of the source of the money or its size. There are rich Eritreans though very few–what is large amount relative to Eritrea? 1, 10, 100million? I think the question is not whether such amounts can be owned or not, but if it is embezzled Eritrean money. It is possible that those are “rented names” but then maybe not. For that we have to wait and see.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Mahmud,

          Just name one. In the current reality of our citizen, no one does own such sum of money and kept it in the tax heaven international banks except the mafia PFDJ. It will be wise for you to stop defending these money embezzles.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Amanuel,
            Don’t be so certain. You don’t know all Eritreans and what they own–sorry, I will am not willing to name anyone though I can. I know about a few millionaires, wealthy using international yardstick, not that of a poor country. And if you are rich, you keep your money where ever serves your purpose–whether it is stolen money, legally earned, or embezzled. HSBC doesn’t discriminate based on morality, they have none. But that the PFDJ is the wealthiest, the most greedy, the embezzler in chief, no sane person can disagree with you

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            I am talking about the single client associated with Eritrea, in the amount 695.2 million. I am not talking 1 or 2 million. Keep in mind if he deposited that amount of money, he must have an asset that generate that amount of money. Hence my point was referring to that specific huge amount. That couldn’t by individual. It could only be by PFDJ that controls the resources of our nation. Actually, I would ask you to heed the suggestion of “mussa” who request to make a petition drive and ask the bank to hold the money from releasing it, until it is determined the source of it. That will be a good tool of accoutability for justice seekers.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel,

            I have no doubt that PFDJ by the name of individuals has deposited money in HSBC and other banks.

            On the other hand, we should not under-estimate the wealth of some rich Eritreans. There are some for sure.

            For me, I am not surprised if PFDJ deposited such amount of money. Hasn’t PFDJ openly declared on the nothingness of UN sanction? PFDJ has a system to run his institution in terms of financial matters. They are very smart and they know how to play the art of guerrilla economics.

            The thing here is, we should not be exhausted by such reveleations. The opposition camp has exposed the corrupted nature of PFDJ two or three decades years ago. Now it is a testimony to the people who were in doubt with such analysis. For the PFDJ and his supporters, it is not new and they will defend it as a normal procedure when USA is the all able country and number one enemy of Eritrea. They will come and defend to have such secret deposites so that enemies can not track PFDJ. They will come and tell us it is the smartest option to handle business.

            Next step: Let’s use this open to public secret to advance the struggle in exposing the PFDJ system and thereby to search an alternative system that replaces the existing corrupted and secretive system.

            tes

          • Guest

            C’mon Mr. Johar. Are you talking about the Eritrea we all know or another Eritrea here. Sure there were many Eritreans with some serious money. Here we are talking about Eritreans even during the Field times (Gedli days) in the 80s. These individuals, more often than not, were involved in legitimate business and conducted their affairs in broad daylight. Their capital could have never reached such a level that they needed tax havens and shelters. I appreciate that you are acting as the devils advocate in your tenacious search for the truth which is highly admirable. However, because the tentacles of the Eritrean Fronts, especially that of the EPLF, reached virtually everywhere for some practical reasons that there were almost no Eritrean who could have hidden such amount of wealth. This is just pure common sense. About the only group which had the means even in the Gedli times to hoard such huge amount of fund is the EPLF. We all heard the eyewitness reports of some of the EPLF’s Secret Party about the millions of dollars that was spent by the EPLF and currently the PFDJ. Therefore, by all indications all fingers are pointing to the PFDJ and what is needed is a laser light focus in that very specific entity.

  • guest

    How do we know those two individuals are eritrean? We didnt have eritrean passport in 1981 or 1987. They could be ethiopian,somali, or sudanese passports; thus hard to say they were eritreans. The travel documents we used to hold as refugees dont indicate citizenship and dont affect holders’ nationality. Moreover, we dont know if the names of the two individuals mentioned by LeMonde is their real names. Most of us if not all are aware that someone in our circles, relatives,or friend whos real birth name is abc, while in passport, he/she is xyz. Even muslims using christian names when they migrate to europe, and christians using muslim names for umrah/ hajj visa to go to Hijaz.All they need is to memorize the shahada and the three last short suras of Quran.
    at this time and age, name or passport means nothing. So many people hold more than one name and more than one passport.

    • Mussa

      “How do we know those two individuals are eritrean?” What a stupid question.
      Because the leaked documents say so. DA….
      If there was no Eritrean passport in 1981 or 1987, the account holder can update his account information later on when he/she got Eritrean passport. So there you go, do not overwhelm your brain over trivial matters.

      • guest

        Bear with me my brother Mussa. If my question sounds thick or stupid, please excuse me, i am a slow reader and even slower to grasp things.From my broken English, you can detect, when i was young, I didnt have the privilage of joining colleges or pursuit higher education like many of you have. Good for you.i dont envy you..3AINI 3ALAIKUM BAARDA. Back to the passports. Any person in the world is able to have an accsess to any country’s passport for the right price. Many tegarrus carry eritrean passport as many eritreans carryethiopian passports. We were told Esayas trusts TEWELLIGIES more than than Deqqibbat like you and I, assuming you are one. ( thanks to brother Tesfay Temnewo’s series). And thanks extended to Awate Team for educating us continuously with their latest reveal that our passports were on sale to non eritreans like the BIDOONS in Quwait. If you didnt get that, the laugh is….well not on me….Moreover, do we all really want to know all the names? It may include the names of the previous gand of robbers also known as G-15 when most of them were the staunch henchmen and right hand of their Master,Esayas on the first 10 years of esayas regime, in all his arragance and border wars with neighbors till they “repented” and broke away from their man after the disgraceful defeat and hasty retreat in feb 23-26 Operations Sunset and accepting the OAU Peace Plan that cost us tens of thousands of our children. B’ FTOT ABYA B’ HIMBRITT.
        I wont mind if all the real names and persons are revealed, but im not sure if all in opposition share that view.
        fe amanillah

  • Ted

    What we have on the leak is just the list of “Eritreans” with bank accounts. Let’s not get ahead of the facts( yet to be known). Some go as far to link the Mining revenue to the leak(embarrassing). And those reasonably opposing individuals, i urge you not to be dragged in to the mud by the vindictive and shortsighted kind of people in this site. We need some boundary or structure in a struggle not FREE-FOR- ALL mudslinging.

  • AThom

    @ Awate Team

    Where ist my last post, I can not find it?

  • Nitricc

    AT thanks
    AT you said

    “There is also a possibility that revenues from mining and other resources could have been siphoned to an HSBC account by any party.”

    I thought about it and the timing don’t match. of course it could belong to PFDJ, you know how PIA always advices to people to save their money. May be he is best at the saving : – ) I don’t believe he can save that much though.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Don’t you know that the Ambassader of Eritrea in Israel told the Eritrean community to make a 2% tax payment through HBSC bank which is found in Germany?

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Hayata,

    do you read what Selam posts, “To some people like HAYAT and others please do not take me wrong , i always oppose HGDEF and i will continue to do but based on facts.” you are going to experience more people going against PFDJ but with excuses of such type. they want facts, Lol. the journey we went through for the last 20+ years are not facts….kkkk. ok please forgive this type of people let us see what they will do against PFDJ , the worst of all is they don’t admit they have been wrong and are categorizing themselves for truth. in doing so they want to divide us and get space. take care.

  • AOsman

    Awate Team,

    From the graph on ICIJ, the 209M account holder must be using another citizenship, the amount is not part of the bar chart. The two accounts that hold the most fall 90-180M and 450Mplus. The first you have revealed (106M), look forward to see the second (699M).

    Thanks
    AOsman

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Selam,

    so by now you should have nothing to say if you have Eritrean skin free from PFDJ. the last thing you have tried to do was divide people and credit in one side. Mahmuday is very cleaver man who take care for the common ground. he respect differences but you thought you can play the game and categorize people. that is ALI BABA also but very old to give result.

    now I know why you lost respect from others, hopefully you will stand corrected.

  • selam

    Hi Kokhob Selam

    Any one like you who does not give evidence to support their claim are not on my side and they are not helping the Eritrean people. They are on the same boat with HGDEF and they serve HGDEF indirectly . I am determined to tell you , you are not welcomed to be grouped with MAhmud Saleh.

    So get your facts straight or dump your disillusioned view and start from scratch

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Mr. selam, you are using very old style, try to modify more and update it so I can have my say. now, just ask yourself why who chose you to group people? my friend go easy just concentrate and think what you can give to your people, if you and me are in the right road we will meet somehow if not nothing to worry. so take it easy. I don’t like to mention names or appoint or blame someone the way you do, just Ideas please. if you have been in PFDJ and your past is holding you back, you should learn from others who manage to live in now.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      It is good that you are searching for evidenve. You just reminded me DIA.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEoyqrZeW0

      • selam

        if you want to tell to other people just post on top , for me i knew this and i heard him cry so i really do not understand what you want to convey. do you think i am defending this mad man , do not miss understand me. because i challenged you on the assertion of your call about ethiopia , or about your boss meles id does not mean i support HGDEf please

  • Kokhob Selam

    ቀባሕባሕ ኮይና መሬት ሕጂ እግረይ ኣውጽእኒ እያ ትኻርጆም :: ርእሲ ብርእሰን ክራጸማ ድኣ ሰብ ከይልክማ እምበር ህድማስ ፍቁድ እዩ ::

    http://www.somalilandpress.com/eritreas-military-shocked-afwerki-bank-scandal/

    ነትሪካይ ገለ ዶ ሓቦ ኢልካ ኔርካ?

    • selam

      we have our own website here in awate.com we do need your help to find what somalilandpres.com say , let them do their own ,if they can have

      • Kokhob Selam

        relax please. don’t panic, since you are free of all those crime don’t worry, more and more still to come.

        ኣደ ስውእ ዘይረኸበት ዕለታዊ ቀለባ :-
        ህጻን ተወሊዱ ዘይረኸበ ጻባ :-
        መእሰይ ተሰዲዱ ዕድሚኡ ከዕርባ:-
        ገንዘብ ውን ዶ ከይዱ ተኸዲኑ ካባ ::

        ኣብ ባንክታት ስዊስ ሃገር ተሓሊባ :-
        ታሪኽ ተሰኒዱ ዛንታ ዓሊ ባባ:-
        ዛንታ ዝኸሓዱ ሕግታት እንዳባ-
        ጉዶም ተቀሊዑ መዓልቶም ቀሪባ ::

        • selam

          i am not panicking i am just telling how hallow some people’s view is and how they feed HGDEF to paint any one who oppose them to say ,hi Look at them, see what they are saying ?

          i think you are drunk.

          • Kokhob Selam

            don’t go personal. easy please ! you will not have enough energy to continue if you go against your own side (I mean if you are for truth – I still consider you one of us not PFDJ.)

          • Kokhob Selam

            ላንጋ ላንጋ ጸልእ ሓቂ ብንጽሩ :-
            ምስ ‘ቲ ዝሰዓረ ዝጽግዑ ወትሩ :-
            ተበለጽቲ ሰባት ኣጉል ዝጭድሩ :-
            ገበነኛታት እዮም ዘበት ከይመሓሩ ::

            ሓቂ ድ ኣ ነይራ ካብ ቀደም ንጽርቲ :-
            መሕበኢ ኮይንዎም ሃገርነት ብዓቲ :-
            ብዙሕ ተጓዒዞም እፍሊ ተበለጽቲ :-
            ብዙሕ ኣህተፍቲፎም ነበሩ ደገፍቲ ::

            ሕጂ ክንዲ ዝብሉ ተጋጊና ኔርና:-
            ቃልስና ክጨውዮ ይፍቱኑ ጌና ::
            እሞ ምስ መን ክንደይ ከይክእሎዎ:
            ሓያል እዩ ዕርድና የለን ዝንውንዎ::

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Here by, fact-bound debaters declare victory. Thanks AT.

    • selam

      Dear Mahmud saleh , million thanks ,
      The only reason i click to awate is only to find out what people like you say. I always admire your strong hold on facts and i could not do more to help awate.com to push for such change in this volatile time but we know we have some people like you who can stood on the big wave and hold their ground and tell the truth only the truth.

      at this time at least we know who owns half of the money .

      Please continue your work , i am cetain your work will remain as the best shining eritrean way .

      To some people like HAYAT and others please do not take me wrong , i always oppose HGDEF and i will continue to do but based on facts.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam
        Thanks to technology, today we are not dependent on cadres choices of news items and their interpretations. People have multiple ways of verifying them; or at least getting to plausible conclusions based on related circumstantial anecdotal reports. It’s unfortunate that some people take failed strategies of mudslinging as the only way bringing them to power. It reminds me these folks are the other side of the coin. PFDJ persists on its failed policies with the motto of “let’s keep going/ንኺድ ጥራይ” and here, our friends keep beating around the same spot, ” it’s the people who are bad, not us.” Look at the somalilandpres.com, and you will say ” Now, it’s even worse/ሕጂ ‘ንዶ ኣይገደደን.
        I have been trying to remind my friends that this is a fight around one thing: it’s about who is more credible. Our people seem to have concluded PFDJ is not credible. But they do see the opposition as worse than PFDJ when it comes to credibility. Now, to be fair the opposition is just a jungle, and separating the good aple from the rotting basket has become a daunting task even for those who are more positioned to know the “who is who” of the opposition. What our people depend their judgment upon seems to be what comes of the loose canon folks who pretend to own the truth, I mean the keyboard Generals. They will tell you “just trust us.” My goodness, how do they talk the same PFDJ talk, and walk no where- at least PFDJ does some walking- and expect you to believe them!? Regretfully, they have become the face of the opposition. And what these individuals say is really depressing. They have defended Ethiopia more than they have done so for their country; they have belittled Eritrea and its history more than they have done to uplift the spirit of their people; they have advocated for the invasion of their country more than they have done to defend it; they depended on foreign entities more than they have trusted the potential of their people; they have blamed the majority of the people instead of examining their failed strategies; they have bottlenecked the opposition with personalities who have been marred in 70s muddying politics instead of letting the young take responsibility; they have made it clubs of few aging male grudge junkies instead of letting our intelligent and brave women assume their responsibility. I do really think if the young and women are given the space, things could change dramatically. The conversation will soon continue between first and second voice, whenever I use “you” I don’t mean you, personally.
        Now, on this issue, You, Nitickay, I and frankly many others, said that the news is interesting, but we are not that gullible to conclude “Look, here is the smoking gun, IA is caught red handed….” This approach assumes readers are as intelligent as the cadres who want to politicize it, if not more intelligent. So, the rule is simple:
        a/ Don’t lie, lie depreciates faster as time goes on. ሓሶት እንዳ ሓደረት ትፈኩስ
        b/ Since politicians can’t do business without lying, OK, if you want to use news items for propagating certain messages, use lying conservatively and cleverly; remember, still the average readers will find out you are lying, but you may catch some snoozing ones.
        Here, as AT put it (by the way very informative analysis), the news is interesting, it may create some buzzing effects AND the need to farther scrutinize it; but if you overstretch it and manipulate it in an obviously absurdly cheating way, it creates the opposite effect. Because people are as smart as you are, if not smarter. You may entertain all the history you heard about EPLF and HGDF, from Debre zeiti or Hawassa….or about how bad the Eritrean government is. Yet, remember, you are not here to enlighten Eritreans about EPLF and PFDJ. They know them better than you.
        Now consider Somalilandpress our KS brought here. Who are they? Well, just Consider them as another Kilel of Ethiopia. That’s just the truth. Even if you have some degree of suspicion, how do you take this garbage at face value? Sorry, there are elemental ethical issues in this news written by the Somalilandpress, you don’t need to be a journalist to identify them. But if you are one of those who feel high whenever bad news of Eritrea comes, well, you have to devour it, even for a temporal effect.
        There are more important news that these folks will not talk about such as the arresting of the 25 Eritreans caught in trafficking their own people across borders in Europe in a rather inhuman conditions. Also, Eritreans are celebrating Operation Fenkil (the dismantlement operation), you think some of the proponent of regime dismantlement would learn some dismantlement lessons: winning the people. Unfortunately not. Didn’t they tell us Fenkil operation was done by Harbegna wayanay?
        The emancipation of truth will lead to the dawning of justice. Eritreans have solid cause to fight for, fabrications and grudge driven strategies are a drag force to the struggle for justice.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Mahmuday, things are just clear. all those may not help much. truth is just clear. this is PFDJ and lets agree on that. as you said the evidence is there. and by the way it was there since you were in EPLF long before PFDJ comes. just be honest we have gone wrong way to have EPLF leadership in first place. if you don’t at least accept let us not blame each other at this level and let us use the chance united. Mahmuday, I don’t like and I hate the idea that blames others. and I am fully convinced we should not mention other countries or parties or leaders are obstacle for our struggle. the enemy is within us and he can be destroyed by us.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Mahmuday,

          Did I read, “…and walk no where- at least PFDJ does some walking-…”. Well Mahmuday, yes PFDJ walked a lot and has produced a country with

          1. Number one source of refugees from Africa and almost second in the world.

          2. A country which ranked first in imprisonment of journalists.

          3. A country without a constitution

          4. A country with UN sanction

          5. A country which is having the worst dictatorial system in the 21th C.

          6. A country with more 10,000 political prisoners.

          7. … etc

          Yes, the country has walkd at least some paces with PFDJ system and all is what is listed above. And no surprise when you give your testimony about the the least expected innocence of EPLF/PFDJ. No surprise!!!

          Due you talk on Fenkil Dismantlement? Have you seen Massawa as NO-Man’s land when Tsigereda was making an interview with the Eri-TV journalist? Have you see almost no Massawa people attended the ceremony but invited guests?

          https://vimeo.com/117990057

          Please, contemplate on the words you are talking about? Massawa more than anytime calls liberators. In the 1990 fenkil operation, it was dismantlement of of the Derge military regime residing in Massawa but under the PFDJ administration, what we see is dismantlement of the Eritrean people who are living in Massawa and now almost the project is finished and Massawa is at the hands of few birds and few dozens of PFDJ businessmen.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        selam,

        You failed to oppose yourself though. How can you oppose others when you are not courageous enough to oppose yourself?

  • farnelo

    Spot on, Awate. Thank you!