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ENCDC Expresses Its Support for the Eritrean Government in Exile

Eritrean National Council for Democratic Change (ENCDC) has expressed its support for the Eritrean Government in Exile (GiE) initiative.

In a letter dated July 7, the Chairman of ENCDC, Mr Negash Osman,  also states that, as per the request of the initiators of GiE, he is delegating 3 individuals to work with them towards its implementation.

ENCDC, also known as “Bayto” or “Mejlis” in Tigrinya and Arabic, respectively, for “Congress”, is a coalition of Eritrean political parties, civil society organizations and other unaffiliated entities.

The initiators of the GiE are known as National Task Team.

In his letter, the Chairman of ENCDC also stated that parallel with its commitment to work for Government in Exile, the ENCDC will continue its work on its long-standing efforts to consolidate its relationship with the other political parties all of which are towards the same goal of strengthening the opposition.

The Government in Exile (GiE) proposal was advanced in February 2021 with the aim of creating a “unity government in exile” from political blocs, civil society organizations and “esteemed citizens.”

The political blocs would reflect the “Schools of Thought” of the Eritrean Liberation Front and the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, the two organizations which fought for the independence and liberation of Eritrea from Ethiopian occupation.

Asked for his opinion on the response of the Congress, Saleh Younis, the chairman of the National Task Team, said that “this was long-awaited and very welcome news” which will motivate his team to work harder to win over “every Eritrean who thinks we are long past umbrellas and coalitions and deserve a representative government in the Diaspora to elevate our struggle, to speak with one voice, to speed up the pace of bringing a representative government inside Eritrea.”

Asked for next steps, Saleh Younis said that his team would work with the ENCDC delegates to “enrich and improve on the Concept Note and, in parallel, will work with those we call ‘Block 2’ in our internal deliberations (those from the EPLF School of Thought), as well as civil society organizations, with a special focus on those in Ethiopia, Sudan and the Middle East.”

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  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሓደ ዓርከይ ይሓትት
    ከም ታሪኽ ዝትንትን
    ኣሎ ዶ ዝህድድ?
    ኢሉ ዱብ የብለልና
    እወ ኣለው
    ‘ብሎ ሓደ ካባና
    ንሕና ድማ ተጠማመትና
    ስለምንታይሲ ተገሪምና

    ጠባቓ ‘ሎ ሸያጢ ሓራጅ መኪና
    ኣይብሎን
    ወዲ ኣየተኸ!
    ድማ ይብል ሓደ ካባና
    ‘ታ መካኒክ ምዃን በግ ኣቢላቶ

    ታሪኽ ዘጽንዕ
    ዝተገብረ ይነግር
    ዘየተገብረ ይሕብር
    ብፍላጥ ዋላ ከስታህብል
    ይብል
    ሓታቲ

    መቸም ዘን ምንባብ ዘይትፈትዋን ትምህርቲ ትጸልኣን” ድኽመትክን ክትሽፍና ዘይትብለኦ የለን።
    ይብል ትምሁር ናይ ታሪኽ
    ኣነ ድማ ኤእ! ጨጉሪ ርእሰይ ይሓክኽ
    ታሪኽ: ዘይመባልዕተይ

  • Brhan

    ሰላም ሰብ ዓዋተ

    ብመሰረት ዜና ኣልጃዚራ ኔት 26/07/2021፡

    1)ሓይልታት ሱዳን ንመዓታት ውግእ ብሔራት ኢትዮጲያ ብምስጢር እናተሸባሸብሉ ይርከቡ

    2)እሳቶም ቁጽሩ ዓቢ ዝኾነ ናይ ሰላማውያንን ሓይልታትን ኢትዮጲያ ስደት ናብ ሱዳን ከምዝጎርፍ የጠንቅቑ

    3) ኣብ ሱዳን ኢትዮጲያን ኤርትራን ብሰሜን ኣብ ዘራኽብ 3 ጎናዊ ከባቢ ማለት ናይ ከሰላ ሓምዳይት ክስብ ሸሂዲ ኢትዮጲያ ንንእሽቶይ ፋሻጋ ( ገዳርፍ) ወተሃደርዊ ውጥረት እናጸዓቐ ይኸይድ ኣሎ

    4)እዚ ውጥረት ድማ ንኤርትራ ከምዝለከማ ተፈሊጡ ኣሎ

    5) ኣል ጃዚራ ኔት ብዝረኸበቶ ሓበረታ መንግስቲ ኤርትራ ጥቓ ሓምዳይት ዶባዊ ካምፕ ኣበርቲ ዑ ከምዝሃነጸን ኣብ ተሰነይ ላፋን ደይማን ድማ ከቢድ ብረት ዝተዓጥቑ ሓይላታቱ ከምዝኣኻኸበ ተፈሊጡ ኣሎ። መንግስቲ ኤርትራ እቲ መቐለ ብምሓዝ ኣብ ልዕሊ ሓይልታት ፈደራል ኢትዮጲያ ዓብሊሉ ዝረክብ ዘሎ ምክልኻል ሓይሊ ትግራይ ሕነ ክፈዲ ኢዩን ንኣዲስ ኣበባ ክቆጻጸር ኢዩ ኢሉ ስግኣት ከምዘሕደረ እዚ ናይ ኣልጅዚራ ነት ዜና ይሕብር።

    6) ተማሳሳሊ ሓበረታ ሓይላታት ሱዳን ሰላማዊ ሰባት ካብታ ምስ ክልል ኣምሓራ እተዳውብ ከተማ ገላባት ( ዓባይ ፋሻጋ) ክወጹ ከምዝገበሩ የመልክቱ

    7) ኣብ መወዳእታ ምዕጻው ጋላባት ምስቲ ግስጋሴ ምክልኻል ሓይሊታት ትግራይ ንጁፑቲን ኢትዮጲያን ንዘረኽብ መንግዲ ባቡር ሓዊስካ ንኢትዮጲያ ብኢኮኖሚ ኣዝዩ ከምዝሃስያ እዚ ዜና ይገልጽ።

    ተውሳኺ ዜና እንተረኺበ ክምለሰኩም እየ

  • said

    Greetings, Peace to you all.
    Five great guitarist and singer Mohsen Yeganeh, (I promised you0 ,with English subtitles .
    listen to a version

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDNDVtoJhik

    Lama Bada yatathana (لما بدا يتثنى) When She Begins To Sway”
    When she appeared with her walk so proudly, The beauty of my love has seduced me N’ how with her gaze she enslaved me! When she bends she’s a branch that captivates And Oh! in what troubles she puts me! I got ‘no’ mercy for my wail In love cause of this pain ‘But'(and only) from the Queen of Beauty! Lamma bada yatathanna is one of the most famous old melodies of the Arab world.
    You can listen to a version with lyrics, sung by Sami Yusuf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhrwQOzefpw

    • kokhob selamone2

      Dear Brother said,

      It is nice to have you. Nice, I wish you will participate in Jebena page,

      KS,,

  • Bayan Negash

    Selam Awatawyan,

    The war thermostat is not in our hands. We are not in control of what might transpire. One thing we can all collectively agree upon is to refuse to dance to the tunes of war to which we have no control. If I were a poet I would’ve expressed myself under its spell. I would’ve danced a different tune, the sad kind of tune, the desperate type. Since I have no disposition for it, I will borrow someone else’s poem who feels its impact at a visceral level. I will let her tell you in her own voice. The poem is also available in its written form below the link. Here they go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFbE8RBhSDw

    What I Will
    by Suheir Hammad

    I will not dance to your war drum. I will
    not lend my soul nor
    my bones to your war drum. I will not dance to your
    beating. I know that beat.
    It is lifeless. I know intimately that skin
    you are hitting. It
    was alive once
    hunted stolen
    stretched. I will not dance to your drummed
    up war. I will not pop
    spin beak for you. I
    will not hate for you or
    even hate you. I will
    not kill for you. Especially
    I will not die
    for you. I will not mourn
    the dead with murder nor
    suicide. I will not side
    with you nor dance to bombs
    because everyone else is
    dancing. Everyone can be
    wrong. Life is a right not
    collateral or casual. I
    will not forget where
    I come from. I
    will craft my own drum. Gather my beloved
    near and our chanting
    will be dancing. Our
    humming will be drumming. I
    will not be played. I
    will not lend my name
    nor my rhythm to your
    beat. I will dance
    and resist and dance and
    persist and dance. This heartbeat is louder than
    death. Your war drum ain’t
    louder than this breath.

    • kokhob selamone2

      Dear Dr.BN,

      That is nice to see this kind of stand from you. This is what we use to say those who face this kind of ugly war. This stand was during the beginning of this war. Go back and see what we use to say. But those from PFDJ and Ethiopian group openly debating and we use to inform them that is nonsense. And now none of them are in awate.com. You may go back and see the same on the same archive of awate.com 9 or 10 months back, I don’t know if you are around.

      But now we it is impossible take it back those days and yes those fascist leaders had committed crime over crime.

      Now, we have seen this war had gone very long time. The two dictators had done a lot.

      KS,,

      • Bayan Negash

        Selam KS2,

        I hear you loud and clear. I didn’t follow the discussions as intimately 8 to 9 months ago. However, I have no reason to not believe what you are telling me. Unfortunately, you are right, it is “impossible to take…back those days”. One thing we in the Diaspora can collectively say, enough with the war. By collectively, I mean, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Tigrayans to say we want peace and reconciliation. Cease the war and go to the drawing board – negotiate via legal means.

        • kokhob selamone2

          Dear Dr.BN,

          Yes, it is impossible to go back to those. Those days were struggling time of the year.

          That is nice and now we have to go within each of us think from deep inside of us. Mind is tricky and that is nice to go work yoga. That at least a journey that will help us all to work consciously. to do so, don’t have be educated to much, we should know how to keep to learn meditation, and know that the sharp knife to work for each of us and go collectively and work united.

          Yoga For Complete Beginners – 20 Minute Home Yoga Workout!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYKMP6rOE&ab_channel=YogaWithAdriene

          KS,,

          • Bayan Negash

            Dear KS,
            No doubt doing yoga and meditating can help calm us down while reaping the health benefits from it. We definitely need some sort of nerve calming exercise in these trying times. May the Universe conspire with us to give those who are in the thick of the war some wisdom and begin to see the long term that benefits their respective countries.

          • kokhob selamone2

            Dear Dr.BN,

            That keep helping us. In every situation. Even stroke can be solved it someone is happy and hard working.

            5 Huge Benefits of Yoga for Stroke Patients (and How to Get Started)..

            https://www.flintrehab.com/yoga-for-stroke-patients/

            KS,,

        • saay7

          Selamat Bayan;

          More of this message please. Today “In a unanimous vote by lawmakers, Sierra Leone became the 23rd African country to abolish capital punishment.” Capital punishment in my view is state sanctioned murder. Meanwhile, we are fighting a war (state licensed mass murder of heartbreakingly young people) and taking sides no less.

          Let’s all reboot.

          saay

          • Bayan Negash

            merHaba saay,
            There you go. The less the killings, be it banishing the capital punishment as Sierra Leone did the better off we will all be. When I see people dancing to war-drums I cringe. Wish there will be a side that would advocate to stopping the war in its tracks and go toward negotiated settlements.

            Rebooting, repurposing, rethinking, and resetting is the way to go moving forward. Enough of this madness.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Haw Bayan,

            I hope you take what I am to say as a well intended rebuttal:) One thing I missed when describing saay the other day was his consistency. You can go back 5 years, 10 years or 20 years, saay had exactly the same rejection of the logic of war. That is regardless of who is fighting who. You can read saay writing the same as above in the thick of the border war while fully supporting his country politically. That is why I was elated beyond measure when he put himself forward to GiE. We would be all safer with his stewardship.

            I can’t say that about myself on this war. I have been deeply resentful of the IA regime for daring to take us into this war for his own ego. I sought and rooted for his humiliation and as that can’t be done without war, that makes me partly supportive of the war efforts in Tigray. If Eritrea was not involved, I would have been an all out pacifist. So, my stand on the war sounded pacifist with Guad Abi yesterday because Amhara militia vs. battle hardened TPLF fighters is a senseless recipe for mass killings.

            I can’t say you are a consistent pacifist either because your U-turn only came following the battlefield victories of TDF. You were on record glorifying the horrible battles that were going on inside Tigray as a noble act of “excising a cancer”. Furthermore, you went on to give the face of good vs. evil to the invasion of Tigray by equating the TDF fighters wit “Dracula” “ghosts” “blood suckers”. After, the devastating defeat of the aggressors, you came back and humbly apologized for celebrating too early (my exaggeration). Clearly, your position against war or killings were not consistent.

            I don’t say these things to dig up old stuff but remind ourselves that we can take any position as we please but we shouldn’t claim to appear as if we have always believed or advocated a given position. I always supported saay’s position on rejection of the logic of war but from time to time I do go against his best advise. I am not consistently anti-war nor are you.

            Happy Monday kbur Haw Bayan, haqi tezaribe ab mengedi babur deqise aleku ktreKbeni ente’deliKa 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Couple of unforced errors detected in your hateta:
            1- Saay has been changing his position depending of which way the wind blows
            A- 5 years ago Saay was advocating for Reforming the Eritrean government
            B- 3 years ago Saay was advocating for confederation with Ethiopia
            C- Currently Saay is leading the GIE movement
            D- I have no idea what Saay did or said during the border war . All I remember is his fierce debate with Eyob Medhane regarding his writings on Dehai during the border war. What I gathered from that debate was Saay was active in putting fuel on the fire.
            I see no consistency here or the consistency you noticed are a series of short-lived and seasonal consistencies.
            Saay has been consistent with his bashing and belittling of PMAA.

            Regarding the current war
            —You have been fooled by the photoshop victories that remained only on the screens.
            —there is no victory by TDF . NONE
            — there are no “ battle hardened Tplf fighters “ . Tplf is sending waves of drugged and hungry children , old men and women .
            — the more you dignified and emboldened the TDF, the higher the number of casualties. TDF trucks are shuttling back and forth between the war zones and Tigray. They bring soldiers of all sorts and taking loads of dead people.
            — soon, you will see another drama where the drama queens show the world numerous mass graves in Tigray.
            —the war is not between Amhara militia and “ battle hardened Tplf fighters” as you wanted us to believe. Millions of Ethiopians from different parts of the country are fighting against the thugs. Add to these forces, the battle hardened federal army . ድሮኗም አለች!

            Here, one thing consistent I observed is that you have been consistently WRONG in almost every aspect.

          • haileTG

            Wendime Abi,

            Get me a time where saay said ግፋ በለው ግባ በለው and I will consider assigning one A+ on comprehension, you need that to make it into next semester – your GPA way low:-)

            Saay is as entitled as any other to have a million and one political views and change them whenever he thinks he needs to. But whichever way you dice it, he is not a warmonger.

            I can’t think of a one liner…help me out Abichu:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Saay has been consistently inconsistent.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            You made two points on two Awate’s top notch debaters and opinion makers. One is wrong and the other is right.

            (a) Saay was for the war effort during the border war (1998-2000) until he came up with his article “Twgah Emo” towards the end of the war. Saay has evolved since the imprisonments of the PFDJ officials and journalists and turned to be “pacifist”. I remember there was arguments between Beyan and Saay on this issue few years ago. So we can not change our records and our positions vis-a-vis the border war be it right or wrong.

            (a) You are right about Beyan though. Though, I don’t know what his position was during the border war, his position on the current war is clear from all his remarks in his articles or debates. Instead of talking on the atrocities, going out of context, he was in full gear to accuse TPLF during the EPRDF era and wishing the demise of TDF. So Beyan is not a pacifist, he favors PFDJ that TPLF. A pacifist should be against any war be it justifiable or unjustifiable.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Hey Aman H,

            I remember many of saay’s rebuttals against Selom Tadesse of the then Ethiopian spokes woman and others. If memory serves me right, saay was unflinching supporter of the Eritrean cause but refuted the information that was coming out at the time from the opposite side but I would like to learn in what way saay actually stated a preference for war?? His arguments were powerful in that they rejected the logic of war and held the other side accountable. I doubt that saay went on to describe the war as a nobel cause or the other side with a dehumanizing dog whistle phrases that motivates acts of further violence. This is why I said “while supporting his country politically”. If there are facts to debunk that, please spill the beans 🙂 Remember, his beliefs doesn’t make him a warmonger, that is his God given right. It is the active call for elimination of the other side or celebrating the belief on such outcome that makes one a warmonger. He may have a position on the current war but he holds the position while rejecting the logic of war.

            Please, understand that I am using “pacifism” here not in its strict political meaning, just distinguish between the cool headed and the others.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            Remember we are talking about “Pacifism”. However we saw the war, Saay was a devotee in mobilizing Eritreans to the war effort and to rally with the Eritrean government during the border war. I don’t think Saay will deny that. I have all hard copies of his articles from the home page of Visafric – now a closed website. Saay and Gideon were the mouthpiece of the regime at that time. Saay has evolved slowly to divorce himself from the regime. If he supported the war this way or that way, then he wasn’t a pacifist. What it counts for me now is, not what his position was back then, but his staunch position against the regime now. So I call him comrade-in-arm in the fight against our despot and his government.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Hey Aman H,

            I understand, I am still waiting on iSem or someone to come up with a word… Pacifism is too strict to apply here…I wish I found a better term. ከጓድ ኣቢ መዋል ትግሪኛዮን ኣኮላሸው እኮ…

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            አንተስ ከኔ ጋር ውለህ ትግርኛ ብቻ ነው የጠፋብህ:: ከኔጋ ያደሩት ነብሮች እኮ ወደ ድመት ተቀይረዋል:-)
            ምን ታደርገዋለህ ኃይልሽ መታደል እኮ ነው!
            በእድል እንጂ በትግል የማታገኘው ስጦታ ነው 🙂

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat Haile TG,

            If memory serves me well, he held the same opinion you explained in your entry above.
            Because he new that Eritrea started the war (which is indefensible) , he kept accusing Ethiopia for escalation of the war which isn’t true.
            The PFDJ punchline was ‘ቁርሲና ዓዲግራት ምሳሕና መቐለ’
            Eritrea literally Attacked through the wider Ethiopian positions right from Omhajer to Bure fronts. So the right thing to do was condemn the Eritrean aggression with no ifs and buts. Though IA would never listen to criticisms, at least it would have served the individuals with the mighty pen stay away for their own repute.

            I tell you, if Ethiopia were to accept negotiation without resorting to status quo, IA would still find other excuses to feed on the war. To claim that Escalation was wrong, you are assuming IA is a normal man somehow can be prodded to peaceful avenues. That;s not the nature of IA. He will always have his ways to pursue his objectives of mayhem and destruction.
            But Saay had his U-turn long time back. There is no need to drag him to such discussions. this time we have a bigger fish to fry.

            Haile,
            As to Beyan, Though I have no reason to doubt his intentions, I am afraid, unlike the walking encyclopedia Saay, he is not well informed of his Ethiopian politics. So it would have been good for him to refrain from adding fuel to the raging fire with little value addition towards resolving the current standoff.
            In any case Saay is one of the reasons I love Awate.com
            thanks

          • haileTG

            Selamat T. KIFLE,

            I hear you on the nature of IA, but wouldn’t it be best to assess on what happened than could have happened??

            The territory was disputed, it was used as a cover.

            Badim invasion May 6, 1998

            Ethiopian parliament demand for status quo May 13th, 1998

            Eritrean Cabinet of Ministers demand for demilitarization of disputed areas May 14th, 1998

            The stage was set, war was imminent.

            After the devastating wars, a half way house was accepted. A demilitarized zone with pre war civilian administration. Doesn’t this speak to the fact that both escalated and both made concessions?

            As, we both are old hands on this debate, I just wanted to highlight that saay had a stand that called for de-escalating on Eritrean terms. He did not press for conflict before, during or after. I do appreciate our political positions on the whole issue however.

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat Haile TG

            Territorial dispute is not a reason for starting a war. Eritrea initiated territorial claim which Ethiopia accepted to sort it out amicably either by bilateral discussions or third party involvement if it was needed. In that spirit a boarder committee was established and were in Addis for preliminary discussions. The team of negotiators was told to be back in no time. The Ethiopian team was taken by surprise to only wake up to the occupation of Badme.

            I understand you are an Eritrean and it is a temptation not to search for a semblance of reason in that state of total madness. But the ball was entirely on the Eritrean field.

          • Saleh Johar

            TKifle,
            Don’t you think our problem is worshipping history and legends instead of learning from it? Badness war is 20 years old and we have a new crisis—isn’t litigating the past the same thing that crippled us since the days of the king of kings? Aren’t we living and waking up generation late?

            I am very frustrated because we learned nothing. I wish we used history as a backdrop and focused on the present.

          • haileTG

            Selamat T.Kifle,

            I understand how our respective origin may have a bias on our views.

            All that you stated may be the absolute truth and we have no truth or remote possibility of having a grain of truth. Let me further grant you 100% on all prior matters and for us 0% on any of the prior matters. Let’s say the Ethiopian side had 100% moral grounds and Eritrean side had 0% of moral standing. Not that I believe that but let it be assumed.

            Could the Ethiopian side have accepted the May 14th demilitarization offer and tested the Eritrean side or stuck in to the status quo condition which it later compromised on?

            Most of us didn’t know war was happening until after May 6. Just as you shared what happened prior to that date, Eritrea also released letters showing the issue simmering from 1997. Regardless, I am lowering the hoops here by saying your facts constitute the absolute 100% truth and ours are 0% truth mostly misguided and unfounded. Even with that advantage granted, can you show me that Ethiopia did all it can including the above??

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I think looking back at the Badime war, MZ was looking a way out with face saving had Eritrea withdrew to the status quo.

            IA did everything wrong until he lost the war. If he hadn’t lose, no body can guarantee what would have happened.

            MZ, I think (albeit a lot of opposition from Ethiopians) decided to go to the courts and agreed to settle the boarder using the colonial boundaries, even though he had won the war.

            At some points, I felt those who were mediating or those who were deciding, decided purposely to award Badime to Eritrea so that the conflict to continue one way or another.

            IA had already accepted that Badime would go to Ethiopia in the interview he had with Ali Abdu before the ruling was announced (ባድመ እኮ ስቅ ኢላ 200 ዘይኮና ገዛ እየን).

            As an Eritrean, I think all the blame should go to IA abd his conduct of the war and what followed after.

            Ethiopia could just tell him, ነደኻ ማይ ውረደላ after they took all the disputed lands and said “we will not negotiated with a dictator but an elected representative of the country”.

            And they would have left for Eritrean people to sort out.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Very good memory on the face saving issue that was a big factor at the time. IA has undermined Eritrea at every turn, I agree with you there. Petros Solomon also shared that much.

            If you remember my debates on the issue some years back, I agree with your point that it will be for Eritrean people to resolve eventually. We need a fair, factual and legal bases to do so in a non-political way. Sadly, the issue is extremely politicized. It would be good for us and our Tigryan brothers to have common understanding based on facts so we can put it behind for good.

            I know that is not the time now but our politicians in in the opposition can make use of this time to have common position. One of the 7 ceasefire proposals of Tigray govt includes the border issue l believe.

          • saay7

            Heya all!

            A lot of this debate sounds to me like accusing Mo Farah of being inconsistent because he once enjoyed crawling and now he loves running. And the highest virtue is not consistency: Ghidewon Abbay and Elias Amare are consistent —consistently bad. The highest good is to support what is good for the most.

            But. Whatever we have to say about individual stands, what matters most is stopping this destructive war. That has such low regard for the sanctity of humans it dare not tell us how many have been killed and maimed. Those who started it were wrong, those who escalated it were wrong, and those who refuse to end it now are wrong. In the 21st century, war should be viewed the way we view slavery: it was once the norm but it isn’t anymore.

            The problem starts even with our assessment of how the war started. It started the same way the 1998 war started: there wasn’t enough “upstream” thinking. (Upstream is a book by Dan Heath which analyzes people’s tendency to focus on saving drowning people rather than going upstream and dealing with the person throwing people into the water, or teaching people how to swim, or investing in life vests.) “But the Northern Command!” “But the assassinations!” arguments are downstream thinking. After the premiership of Abiy, Ethiopia had 3 years to avoid the war, and once it started there have been 9 months to stop it. Every diplomat, country that has the goodwill of Ethiopia has pleaded with it to come to its senses and stop the civil war. For Ethiopians to rationalize war is very misguided, for Eritreans to do it is incomprehensible to me because they were against every war: Somalian civil war, Israel-Palestine war, Iraq War, Yemen War. Why they would be for a war that is waged for the hubris of one man is just a study of how tyrants affect the thinking of their subjects.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            May be you are considered number one of የኤርትራ የፖለቲካ ሊሒቃን (elites), otherwise the main thread wasn’t supposed to be about you 🙂 Hawna Bayan has missed in action to address his bout of face from pre ወፍሪ ኣሉላ ኣባ ነጋ to post ወፍሪ ኣሉላ ኣባ ነጋ because we were treated to two different stands.ብዝኾነ እታ ዝተኸፍተት ጸረ መጥቃዕቲ ብእዋኑ ሰራዊትና ዓጊትዋ ይርከብ ኣብዚ ሕጂ እዋን … 🙂

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            Oh no, not even close! It’s just that I have long paper trail that people find its fun to scrutinize. I hope it doesn’t appear rude when I fail to engage: the subject just bears no interest to me 🙂

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi TG:
            lLeave this title alone: “which one is pacifist: Saay or BNB?”This is for my dissertations LOL
            But to be honest, we cannot be Ghadis and Jesus. but pacific is not the opposite war mongering. And as far as I can tell, non of th justice seekers here are warmongers. and one cannot be pacifict while supporting one side and to be fair we cannot expect them to be. But carnage should be the last resort, only to defend your honor wen everything is exhausted.
            Border war 1998 was madness, could have been avoided and all the wars that Eritrea was involved in in the last 30 years, anyone who raises a straw to support, canonize any one of them is not a pacifist
            Now you reminded me the good old days, when Hayat, you (TG) and Papillion and Serray debated here intensely and Sal was so impressed with 4 of you and said that, “if I was in a debating team, I would want these 4 in my side.” Then Hayat announced that she was sick and went for a leave and Sal showered her with care and with flowers and well whishes, later she would announce, A few years later, their relationships soured precisely because she accused him of war mongering in 1998, he said, he was supporting his country and he accused her of been Woyane lackey and it was downhill from there, but their back and forth was a delight: always insightful with both throwing punches, the putdown punches that both are good at
            Fromm memory lane

          • haileTG

            Hello iSem,

            Yes, Hayat Adem said that but saay was right to be offended ዘይናቱ እንድያ(ዩ) ሂባቶ(ብዎ) what do you expect?? But our vocabularies are limited, pacifism in its strict sense may not apply really. Although, I would have went along with “none of the JS are warmongers” but the war in Tigray ውግእ ትግራይ was an exception. It was not only proof negative to your thesis but also those who opposed it were shown being attacked as being on the other side. Guad Abi would brand you hallucinator if you tell him ግዝያዊ ምምሕዳር መንግስቲ ትግራይ is no longer in business:-) Many JS had severe allergy to credible ሰበር ዜና and now it is changed to የደስ ደስ ዜና:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            Unless we are afraid to criticize, knowing we Eritreans are very sensitive to criticism, people had positions (tough position to take as such at that time), we should be criticized for our mistakes and faults. Our people were told that we were invaded at that time. The fact is we weren’t invaded. Badme was left for TPLF since 1982. The border war was Isayas’s war. The Eritrean people knowingly or unknowingly they supported the war. This fact. The verdict of EEBC is Eritrea invaded Badme. Now wether we support it or oppose it the war was Isayas’s war. Those who oppose the war have vindicated that they were right to oppose it. And those who supported the war have looked for an excuse – defending our country, while there is none to defend, but to take Badme by force. A diplomatic solution should have been the way out for border issues. Hailat, Is it difficult to either say we were mislead or we were wrong on our positions on the senseless border war?

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Aman H,

            I know we have been here many times in the past, but let’s re-visit for posterity.

            Was the border dispute wrong or the expansion of it into a full fledged war wrong? I think the latter. The border was indeed disputed, it was later demarcated and the result showed, as per colonial treaties, both sides were not in the exact spot they needed to be. The delimitation decision, based on colonial boundaries, gave some lands to Eritrea and others to Ethiopia. That shows the border dispute was indeed something needing resolution.

            Now, the expansion of the war was wrong.

            1 – Eritrea invaded the Badime triangle.

            2 – The international community tried to resolve it

            3 – Eritrea asked demilitarization of disputed lands and Ethiopia asked status quo

            4 – The deadlock couldn’t broken until Ethiopia took back the Badim Triangle

            5 – Ethiopian civilian administration was re-instituted in the area and UNMEE took over the monitoring of the demilitarized zone

            So, a middle ground between status quo and demilitarization was UN peace keeping mission. Eritrea later kicked out UNMEE and Ethiopia took over the status quo.

            Now, as you see, if the expansion of the war was the real problem rather than the disputed lands per se, can you see both sides had contributed to it? Suppose Ethiopia accepted demilitarization for the sake of avoiding expanding the war, which it later accepted, could that have helped to limit the war?

            If Ethiopia did not change the objective of the war into “durable peace” by degrading EDF (a stand publicly stated and communicated), could that have limited the scale of the war to the disputed lands only?

            IA played his part in invading the disputed lands and Ethiopia played its part in helping to expand the conflict. The EEBC finding you cited underscores those points. We can’t say Eritrea had done it all, takes all the blame and Ethiopia was sitting nicely with hands folded and gloriously peaceful. Blame should be apportioned to both sides as fairly as possible.

            Now, that is water under the bridge. The current conflict is pure miscalculation from Eritrea’s side. It had no business in Ethiopia’s internal affairs to such an extent as causing so much damage. If IA believes that he has a duty to help stabilize Ethiopia, fair and good. He should fight to the last bullet and not complain about the consequences. Fair is fair.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Haile-TG,

            In order to defend his position you framed it in a way to make his position on the border war look right. No Hailat, we could make wrong positions in politics. To admit I had wrong position is not a crime. We need only adjustment on our positions. We visited the issue several times. It will not take us anywhere and does not help us to our fight against the despot. So I prefer to let it go. I told it is difficult to criticize our faults and mistakes. We Eritreans are not receptive to criticisms.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Selam Aman,

            I agree, the issue will not lead to helping us with the current issue. I see our main problem as more of critical thinking than fear of criticism. I say this to all of us as a generation, not just here in the forum.

            IMO, the border war should just be relegated to a dust bin of history, it would serve no purpose as it is a contested area (literally and metaphorically).

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat HaileTG,

            I just want to volunteer an updated about Queen Hayat Adem so you won’t have to worry about “እንድያ(ዩ) ሂባቶ(ብዎ) ”

            During your extended vacation and following unnecessary and pointless attack on her person, she had stated that she is a woman. I have zero doubt about that and neither should you.

            By the way, she saw, day one, how weak and shallow Abiy seemed and how Isaias would use him to dismantle Ethiopia and endanger the region and the misery that will follow. Except For SGJ and very few others, the rest including myself were cheering for him thinking that the badly needed “change” had finally arrived.

            Queen-less bee!

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Haw Fanti,

            That is great relief! For me and for saay I mean 🙂 I can see guad Abi listening to Tizita (Ketema Mekonnen??)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            I’m listening “Part time Lover “ and singing
            “በእጆቼ እየዳሰስኩ እንዳላጫውትሽ
            ሰው ከማይደርስበት ጋራ ሥር ነው ቤትሽ”
            ጋራ ሥር ያለሽው የኔ ብስል ፍሬ….
            እባክህ ሆዴን ሆድ አታስብሰው:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Kentebai Fanti,
            At the end, I was right you were wrong doesn’t take us anywhere, we collectively failed to the extent we are obsessed with failure. People do not debate to rethink their position and widen their perspective but to advance thei rigid views dogmatically. The Stubborn Horn of Africa. Didn’t you see even Formagio is donning fatigues? Did he promote himself to a colonel!

          • Samuel

            Selam Haile TG,
            With all due respect – I want to remind you one important thing you missed, that individual said – “Tigray people were wrong because they voted for TPLF”, in reference to the September 2020 Tigray election. He claims he is justice seeker. As justice seeker he should have respect for democratic VALUES like voting, which means he should have accepted the peoples’ choice, but he chose to blame the people. Since then I have branded him as “pretentious justice seeker”, in my book either he is from Dembiya or PFDJ messenger or he has ulterior motive derived from hatred of Tigray people.
            If an individual is a TRUE justice seeker – he/she has to accept the choice of the people, period. Note that it was an intentional statement, sorry doesn’t correct it.

            Thanks,

          • haileTG

            Hey Samuel,

            Good points as a whole but cross out the Dembiya part. The whole concept ኣይምጥነካን እዩ. You are an astute debtor, don’t let the extremists plant words. Actually, the story of Dembiya is mostly made up – may be Haile S (moxi) can dig into it.

          • Samuel

            Selam Haile TG,
            I am very aware of the history of the region, I don’t have slight hesitance with that nonsense story, it was/is made up story. The reason why I have used the word is because of his buddy buddy with Abi – which is OK but he never corrects Abi when he makes critical mistakes. Otherwise, I am not that kind of person, I am very aware the history and political narratives of the region.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti Arkey
            Everyone is buddy buddy with me including you, ሳሚቲ!! Yes, I consider you as buddy. Count me when you pack your ቅራቅንቦ.
            ለመርዳት ዝግጁ ነኝ:: ወዳጅ ለመቼ ነው?

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            I have no problem debating with you (buddy buddy with principle) because whether it is wrong or right you have made your interests/goals known – by hook or by crook you want “to dismantle ethnic federalism and have one big Mama Ethiopia”, that is your GOAL, you are not justice seeker. So, whatever denial and pretentious moves you do – it is to protect your interest, you don’t have other ulterior motive, me thinks.

            Thus, when needed I will respond to your comments and claims, we are buddy buddy with principle. Even though I do believe that you are wrong by design but I will try my best if you can reconfigure and redesign your mindset.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            You know me very well. I can’t wait to see the ethnic politics, ethnic federalism and ethnic borders dismantled once and for all!
            I like to see the country divided into 5 administrative regions. North, South, East, West and central regions without putting ethnicity into consideration. For example, I like to see Tigray, Wollo and some part of Gonder in one region. Gojam, Wolega , Illubabor in another region. You got the idea.
            That is my dream.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            I had and still have to some extent the same idea until the clueless shortsighted bunch you are supporting ruined the possibility.

            The current federal arrangement was meant to be a temporary brake to prevent disintegration with the hope that economic progress and democratic strength will ultimately “soften” the need for ethnic boundaries.

            I know for sure toward the end of his life, Meles Zenawi RIP, was contemplating for ways to strengthen “Ethiopiawinet,” as it was being demanded by many, as opposed to ethnicity that was going out of hand. He wanted a study to be made, to check the barometer, if you will, when the unthinkable happened.

            The only way to a united, strong, and democratic Ethiopia is ethnic federalism! The current crisis has amplified that need if nothing else.

            What we are now witnessing is self-serving prophecy in action! One camp wants to destroy it by force to avoid potential “separation” and that very act serves as proof why ethnic federalism is necessary by the federalists. Catch 22!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            The major reason why I unconditionally support PMAA is because he is the one who will discard the stupid and retarded ethnic federal arrangement along with ethnic politics.
            You and I have discussed this before PMAA came to power.
            With a brand new constitution, things will get better.
            Meles ( BIH) was stupid to introduce ethnic politics in Ethiopia.

          • Haile S.

            Selam MoKsi,

            A lot of history and genealogy was passed from generation to generation through oral history, thus qualified as legend. It doesn’t mean it is untrue, but there is no written records. The story about Dembiya being the land from where King Meron came and whose children are Chaluq, Faluq & MaluQ gave to certain population settling in certain Eritrean highlands is in this catagory. It existed and exist in the memory of the regions who claim to be descendants of the 3 brothers. The Italian historians who started recording this at the end of the 19th century & begining of 20th did from the stories told to them by the locals. Some of these stories is said to be written on the regional laws and regulations said to exist in monastries, but still need to be researched and published. Apart from what is written in chronicles of kings and that recorded by foreign travellers in their accountrs of their travels, most Abyssinian history was passed mouth to ear. So we cannot discount the Dembiya story as improbable legend. What we can do is to research what it means. Are the names correct and does it correspond to dates etc etc. If one suspects they were fabricated for a purpose, then an acceptable reasoning should be presented.

            Having said that, history can be fabricated or deliberately twisted for a purpose. We see it nowadays getting spead through videos. The video narrative saying the Asmara Enda Maryam Church was built by Tigrayans who came with Ras Alula by Amanuel Sahle is a perfect example of such wrong doings. Another example of twisting history is one you (HTG) said in one of your comments few weeks ago. I quote:

            ” Selamat Brhan!
            ……. In the end, somebody needs to sign something, it his hard to find people like Menilik nowadays. He was such a trigger happy with his pen that ነዛ ኢትዮጵያ ቀናጢቡ ወዲእዋ እዩ ነይሩ bless his heart :-)”

            Menelik’s agreements with Italy on a portion of Eritrean highlands doesn’t make him a parceller and giver of several pieces of territories (ነዛ ኢትዮጵያ ቀናጢቡ ወዲእዋ እዩ ነይሩ). Menelik is the one who increased the Ethiopian territory by ~3X its size from its size before him. Here is a good reference concerning this. It is in french. If you are not ‘francophone’, just check the maps or use google translate.

            Alain GASCON. L’Ethiopie: l’Empire du milieu de la Corne de l’Afrique. Bulletin de l’Association de géographes français, 2002-2. Géopolitiques africaines. pp. 171-183.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Moxi,

            That is agreat argument on the Minilik’s role! I never saw it that way and I am sure many Ethiopianists will go up in arms on that hypothesis however. It would be a wonderful learning treat for us, if an Ethiopian Historian in the forum could take you up on that. Regardless, it is an excellent observation.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            I wanted respond to your comment regarding እምዬ ምኒልክ when you wrongly accused him. I decided against it thinking you were on your auto drive mode and have already made up your mind. The southern and western parts of Ethiopia are mostly his creations.

          • haileTG

            Guad abi,

            Tinishuwa Ethiopia yasadege qoraT meri!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            You know why the Wahabi clerics annoy me? They are concerned with the continuity of their ruling systems at the expense of their people. They equate rulers with the people and the ego of their rulers is important even if the country slides into oblivion. Just a thought: would I be wrong is I said your side of the aisle is the twin of the Wahabi clerics?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam historian Haile S,

            So, I would like you to confirm, or deny the following I read on the Internet since the source isn’t known.

            1) Is Atse Yohannes originally from Himbirti?

            2) Atse Yohannes married a Muslim Afars daughter after she became Christian?

            3) Menelik converted to Christianity from Islam?

            These turn up when I wanted to educate myself in certain history of our region and hope you can clarify.

            Cheers!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Metshaf Jegninet,

            I am amateur historian, MJ 😊. Due to time constrains, I will be brief.

            1) Is Atse Yohannes originally from Himbirti?
            NO, as per my readings

            2) Atse Yohannes married a Muslim Afars daughter after she became Christian?
            YES, according to his biographical publications

            3) Menelik converted to Christianity from Islam?
            NO, as per my readings

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-S,

            You are a good source and reference of regional history. Let me check with you some historical perspective I heard from Dr Gelawdowes, a Tigraian historian by profession, equating the Aksumite civilization with that of the Egyptian civilization. I listened him saying it in one clip. Who knows you might heard it also. What do you think about that claim?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            I haven’t heard this clip from Dr Gelawdewos. I am not sure how he arrived at that conclusion or from which angle he did. But I can understand the hopeful stretch. I believe it is a large stretch.

            Let me put it this way, not answering to Dr Gelawdewos, but to all of us. Having had ancestors (Axumites) far far more civilized when civilization was scarce, while we at present remain far far more wild when civilization became rampant, we have only that immeasurable pride from the past to fill our bravado.

            Having said that let me quote this from Munroe-Hay’s book: Aksum (Axum) An African Civilisation of Late Antiquity, 1991. He put it in a nice way. I feel it that way and I hope it answers your quest.

            “…. As far as the history of
            civilisation in Africa is concerned, the position of Aksum in international terms followed directly on to that of Pharaonic and Ptolemaic Egypt and Meroë; each was, before its eclipse, the only internationally recognised independent African monarchy of important power status in its age. Aksumite Ethiopia, however, differs from the previous two in many ways. Its economy was not based on the agricultural wealth of the Nile Valley, but on the exploitation of the Ethiopian highland environment and the Red Sea trade; unlike Egypt and Meroë, Aksumite Ethiopia depended for its communications not on the relatively easy flow along a great river, but on the maintenance of considerably more arduous routes across the highlands and steep river valleys. For its international trade, it depended on sea lanes which required vigilant policing. Most important, Aksum was sufficiently remote never to have come into open conflict with either Rome or Persia, and was neither conquered by these contemporary super-powers, nor suffered from punitive expeditions like Egypt, South Arabia or Meroë. …..”.

            Now jumping to today, could the punitive actions we, for the most part, brought upon ourselves be our wake up call? It is never too late for hope!

          • Bayan Negash

            Thank you Haile S., for the history lesson. I almost missed it, too. Talk about historical context being critically important. When I hear the Agazian crowd speak of civilization of eons ago, something completely remote from the contemporary life. I wanted to say, look where you are today. Your civilization didn’t help you to stay put where you were born. Look at the civilization of Europe or the US and Canada, they are not the ones begging for a refuge. They are not the ones who are starving. It’s us. Those of us who pride ourselves over something that we weren’t smart enough to use it to advance our lot in life, then it did nothing for us. What did our civilization bring in real terms today? We continue to fight wars after wars, incidentally, or deliberately, wiping each other out. Civilization my foot.

            At minimum, I wish we listen to one another even when we disagree. We cannot even properly handle a civil dialogue. I like the way SGJ put it, I forget was it yesterday. The beauty to SGJ and Sal Y DISCUS account is that one can access what they have written instantly. So, let me do just that and re-post it here.

            There you go. He was responding to TKifle:

            “Don’t you think our problem is worshipping history and legends instead of learning from it? Badme war is 20 years old and we have a new crisis—isn’t litigating the past the same thing that crippled us since the days of the king of kings? Aren’t we living and waking up generation late?

            “I am very frustrated because we learned nothing. I wish we used history as a backdrop and focused on the present.”

            There you have it, Haile S. Our understanding of history is not to learn from it but to use as an empty bravado. What good is history if you cannot learn from it, if you cannot gain something tangible from it. For 3,000 years the history of our region has been nothing abut wars. Think about that: 3,000 years!

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam historian Haile S,

            You are humble, not an amateur.

            No need for a lengthy reply at all. The one you submitted is more than enough.

            Thanks!

          • iSem

            Hi Samuel:
            I am not sure what you mean by Dembiya? Let me tell you say this about Beyan: He actually likes Tigray so much that at one point he considered it as an alternative for Diaspora Eritreans to visit if they are opposition as they cannot visit Eritrea. He had much respect for how Tigreans emerged from serfdom to assert themselves. As I was , he was delighted to see that.

            But he was not happy why TPLF were pushing for war with their military parades etc and why did they not deflate the war instead for pushing for it. About Tigray people, please do not put him in the PFDJ zembil. You can debate with him about how a TPLF did not push for war etc
            But I disagree with him about the election. I hate centralized power, I even want counties to have more power. I have written here before that central government should be limited to print money, admin federal forces and build roads LOL. And Beyan as an dducator, and American I expect him to agree with that, but he does not in this case. But also one thing is for sure, when he thinks about it and he convinces himself he is wrong, he will tell us.
            remember Beyan is good friend of YG, figure that out. So he is tolerant and loves Tigray, by extension
            I know am infusing jokes, but am serious

          • Abi

            iSem
            You are forgetting things:)
            Unless I forgot,Bayan told us he is not friends with YG or something like that.

          • iSem

            Abi:
            You got it, you forgot now. and you just disappointed me, Just few days after I told Bayan here that you are Awate’s memory king.
            No, he did not tell us, and he did not tell you that his not friends with YG
            he disagreed with him after the war when YG some silly things in THM

          • Abi

            iSem
            Teaching Haile TG day and night is killing my memory:-)
            I need to take a long sabbatical and practice yoga.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            The concept of “no child left behind” does not work here.
            So don’t burn out yourself. There is nothing you can do about identity crisis (ናይ እንታይነት ቅልውላው) something that does not exist south and west of the Tekeze River!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Yiu are an educated person. Therefore I should believe you : humans with similar socio-economic background and reality can have different psychological behaviors based on genes. Thank you for the lesson.

          • iSem

            Hi SGJ:
            And we are so sure that the ppl domiciling South and west of Tekeze and North of Merb have different genetics. I leaned that from Professor Doctor Human Genom expert Hashela Mengele.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            This is fake genetics that is linked with sick politics. This guy tries to relate un relatable things out of hate. It is GIGO. He never fails to bring laughable things.

          • Saleh Johar

            ISem,
            Yes we have different genes. I just bought a microscope from Walmart, went to an alien neighbor from the south, to his bathroom and stole his toothbrush. Then I compared mine and his, the things that tell you about genes. I discovered mine was golden yellow, his was rusted brown. But both were shouting at each other. Case closed. We are different:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሳልሕ
            ምስፋይ ምበኣር ተጀሚሩ?
            Sarcasm at its best!

          • iSem

            Hi Hashela:
            ምስፋይ ምበኣር ተጀሚሩ is sarcasm at its worst, if you know what you mean. ምስፋይ a job like geophysics and genetics LOL

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            iSem ነብሲ
            Are you replying to me or mistaken?
            ትስጥል ከይትህሉ ‘የ 🙂
            Of course it is a joke.

          • iSem

            H: MM
            what does ትስጥል mean
            LOL

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem,

            I bet it has some Arabic roots. ትስጥል is to get high with substance. Contemporary Asmarino slang…

          • Saleh Johar

            MM,
            ኣብ ዘይነገረይ ኣይተእትወኒ: እቲ ምስጋናይሲ sarcasm ኢልካዯ? ርእየልካ’ለኹ በል::

          • haileTG

            Selam Memhir Abichu,

            You keep saying I am getting everything wrong….I am glad you exposed who my teacher is 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ሰነፍ አስተማሪ ጎበዝ ተማሪ ለመፍጠር እንዴት ይቻለዋል?
            Sorry, I failed you:)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            Question to you: The Qimat social group is within the Amara Kilil. They are fighting against the Amara militia. How big is this social group? What are their grievances on the Amara administration?

          • Samuel

            Selam iSem,
            I have already responded to Haile TG why I have used the word. Regarding the individual we can agree to disagree, he has no slight respect to Tigray people struggle, he has deep hatred towards Tigray people, that’s why I have used “pretentious justice seeker”.
            Look, I can read between lines in his article and comments (if you need example I can provide plenty), with all due respect – We can disagree on this.

            But he was not happy why TPLF were pushing for war with their military parades etc and why did they not deflate the war instead for pushing for it.

            Whatever claims he has it happened after killing of general Seare (very important turning point), Tigray government has every right to defend its territory and people. The federal government shouldn’t have to send his troops because of special force parade. That is lame excuse.

            Look at the consequence of the war and the forces that has engaged in the war. If the aim of the federal government was “law and order”, why let other forces to join? Why kill innocent civilians? why rape? Why destroy schools, factories, and industries? Why let the Amhara forces claim territory? My point is, for a political analyst there is enough reason that the war was premeditated by IA and Abiy, it wasn’t because of the military parade.

            Thanks,

          • leGacY

            Hi haileTG ,

            I think it is a noble thing to fight for peace and peaceful resolutions. But I have always wondered if ,let’s Saay was tigraway with a wife and two kids (4 and 3 years old). He travels abroad for work and suddenly the war breaks out and it unfolds the way we experienced it over the past 8month. Not only that but his wife/and children are killed.

            I wonder what his view of pacifism would be?

  • Bayan Negash

    Dear Awatawyan,

    I urge the Awate Team ( moderators) to shut the comment section for a day or two until the nerves calm down. This was never the spirit and the letter of the Awate Forum when it was conceived to serve its readers and writers to exchange ideas so collectively we can all benefit from each other’s input. The morning started out nicely. Half a day later, I thought I was in a wrong forum. Names and aliases are involuntarily switched when addressing one another. I swear I am about to have a virtual PTSD just reading some of the exchanges. Please, please moderators I urge you to intervene.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat Dr. Beyan:
      Happy Sunday!
      I was thinking the same but since we are all adults here, should we burden the Moderators with this additional request a well? I would say it is not fair to them, no disrespect here.
      Theoretically, we should self regulate. Isn’t it?
      Where is your next article btw? 🙂

      • iSem

        Hi MM and Beyan:
        Better solution is to ban offenders, and peddlers of falsehood, the Carlsons mercilessly.
        BNB may feel PTSD, am feeling as if am killing brain cells

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Hi iSem,
          If Awate nation is closed for two days, Dr. Beyan with PTSD, isem killing thousands [maybe millions] of brain cells and MM ጨርቁ ይድርቢ. I will lose the most and I say no to that! 🙂

          • Bayan Negash

            MM,
            My proposal I see is turning into a lose-lose situation. I will be happy if the parties involved just take a walk at the park. Punch some boxing punching bags, it would really help. Or whatever they fancy to calm the nerves down. I’d suggest no going to a bar though, lest they end up getting their anger at somebody who wouldn’t deserve it.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dr. Beyan
            Educated people don’t punch each other. This is how they do their fight. The question is, why aren’t you in this crowd? 🙂
            It is a joke 🙂

          • Bayan Negash

            MM,
            Hey now! Are you itching to go toe-to-toe with somebody. Don’t get me started, my bro. Good of you to qualify your assertion by saying it’s a joke. I got you brother. Happy Sunday to you and your loved ones.

      • Bayan Negash

        merHaba MM, iSem and all,

        I agree with you, MM. We shouldn’t burden the moderators. It’s a quick fix until they decide what to do with offending party (parties) as they deem it fit. Self regulating is, of course, the best course of action that one ought to take. But, sometimes, the thermostat fails to function, things begin to overheat.

        The piece I submitted late last night. However, I don’t know that it will be a good idea for it to come out, hopefully, not today.

        iSem, many thanks for making me laugh out-loud, bro. “killing brain cells”- that’s an apt one.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          See Dr. Beyan,
          iSem made you laugh out-loud! You want to shut down for two days? I would say no.
          Not to worry about that thermostat getting hotter. I have variable NTC for you! I hope your next article is not out of my variable NTC’s spec. If not, it will cost you. Be prepare for the bill 🙂

          • Bayan Negash

            How about it, MM. saay solved it all – a stroke of a genius. I tell you what, MM. I honestly wanted to ask the AT to publish the article barring comments. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing to do for a change?

        • saay7

          Hey Beyan:

          We can’t shut down a discussion unless it is extremely long. We deal with violators on individual basis: we are opposed to collective punishment. Maybe all people need is a break:

          Here’s one: slow start and then kaboom

          https://youtu.be/EQhHBBbWv84

          iSem will provide the translation hopefully without iSem bad boyness.

          saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal: I have better idea
            ያሰላም: ፋጥና ዎ ዛህራ ዎ ለይላ አትፋቀድኮ Please do not translate to the Akriano BNB LOL
            ትሩድ ምደር ይሰጥር: ዎ ረይምም ዖስተር ይተምተም
            indeed, I was jittery now am relaxed, thanks, if I start translating I will not attend to other tasks
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr2V91hi0Rk

          • Bayan Negash

            iSem,
            You’re underestimating deqi Akhriya. It’s as diverse enclave as any other parts of Asmara. My heart is not as weak the singer who is lamenting lacking in sleep because his heart is hurting…he is deeply in love with…do you want me to continue or what.

            Now, I’ll pass the challenge to our resident poet, MM, if he can give us the lyrics in Tigrinya similar or as close to the lyrics of the song in question. He might be at a disadvantage because he maybe from the affluent part of Asmara, say, Gaza Manda Tilyan -:)

          • iSem

            Hi BNB:
            Not so fast, also most every Tigre song has sikab lali in it so, no you are not out of the woods, yet, until you tell me what the next line says:ከማ ንኡሳይ ልብየ ሰባሰባ and then this
            ትሩድ ምደር ይሰጥር: ዎ ረይምም ዖስተር ይተምተም
            Also do no under estimate the Banda (not Manda) Tilayan dude, he fakes his ignorance in Tigre LOL
            Also more test for you: I made a very big mistake in this comment. It is written in Latin letters not in Tigrinya. If you figure that the I will tell the dean of Tigre language at awate (SGJ) to pass you LOL. I made the same error in the line before this

          • Bayan Negash

            Hey iSem,
            You’re good. I thought I could pas the torch to a Tigrinya poet keytegeTemku. I admit. I’m not good at conceit. Busted! Now, you go, buddy.

          • iSem

            Hi BNB:
            haha Beyan:
            My error was referring Tigrayit as Tigre LOL

          • Bayan Negash

            selam aHwat,

            ጸባ ኣስቲኻና saay! I have calmed down already. I can already see MM and iSem dancing to the tune you shared for iSem to regain the brain cells he was worried about and no NTC needed, MM. saay took care of it. One prescription that has the capacity to treat three different conditions. What a befitting prescription.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saay

            This is a formal complaint on behalf of my dear friend Haile TG for the bias you are demonstrating by the providing meditation music that only Hashela understand