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Al Jazeera’s The Stream hosts Ms. Sheila Keetharuth

On June 16, 2015, Al Jazeera’s The Stream hosted her excellency Ms Shiela Keetharuth and three other Eritrean guests to discuss the report that was issued by the UN appointed Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea. The extensive report is damning and it has angered the Eritreans government.

The extensive report contains minute details covering the ordeal of Eritreans and their suffering, particularly the youth who are escaping Eritrea to avoid the forced labor that the People’s Front for Democracy and Justice (PFDJ). The PFDJ which has been ruling Eritrea un-elected since more than two decades is chaired by Isaias Afwerki who is also in power un-elected for decades.

In addition to Ms Keetharuth, the panel included two guests: Ms Rahel Gebreab and Filmon Zerai, Diaspora Eritreans who support the Eritreans regime, while the third, Saleh Johar, is an exiled Eritrean barred from returning to his country.

The government has jailed thousands of Eritrean political dissenters, adherents of banned churches, reporters, and others who remain in prison since long years without charges.

There are over a million Eritreans in exile; some are stranded in refugee camps since the late 1960s, while others, who number tens of thousands, are mainly youth who fled the the PFDJ regime in the last decade.

About a quarter of the total number of Eritreans live in exile.

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  • Abi

    Hope nefse
    I just called to say what’s up !!
    I’m counting your nicks. One , two , three……..nineteen, …..
    Even my dog knows you . He is happy to see you. He said lemntay Tefika ?

  • selam

    Dear olana
    I think you are talking to yourself , tell such story to the 100,000 Eritreans who passed away to bring eritrea and defend Eritrea. You can get the right to defend dergi as any one from south , even you can get the right to lie but making lies is a great ofence to our hereos . Eritreans may fight each other politically but they do not lie and cheat .Making lies is one big and smart quality of Ethiopian leaders and their cronies.

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam All,
    First of all, deepest thanks for those who sent their testimonials to COI-E. You were the voice. Your voice was heard; through you, it reverberated in the silent hills where Eritreans are dying under the very hand they trusted the most, Isaias Afewerki.

    I noticed we have developed this habit of not reading important documents that affect our lives. Previously in SEMG reports and now COIE.

    It is a bit depressing for me to see people who should know better to gainsay the COI-E report. Isn’t this something we know or heard what is happening to our friends, colleagues, family members, and other citizens.

    1. How can we deny the persecution of Pentecostals/ evangelicals in Eritrea? Aren’t they being dragged from their privacy of their own homes for congregating and praying? How can we deny many Eritrean Moslem teachers and intellectuals whose whereabouts is still unknown since mid 1990s? How bout the Jehovah Witnesses, some of us are still in Sawa detention center since 1990s?
    2. Haven’t thousands members of the national service faced cruel and inhuman treatment to the extent of execution in front of their comrades in arms?
    3. Aren’t there journalists in detention? I’m not talking of the private papers but those who worked in government papers who easily outnumber the private ones?
    4. Aren’t many cadres, former ministers, diplomats and singers in jail?
    5. Aren’t there many young girls who faced sexual violence during their days (nights) in the national service?
    6. On Bisha mine..didn’t members of national service participated in construction and other roles? Bisha me’n dyu serihuwo…Don’t national service member engage extensively in constructing roads, dams, farms etc…ezi’s men yitefe’oo?!
    The list is endless.
    How can we deny what is happening to our own brethren? It is one thing to defend the government in this or that policy; it is another thing to deny your own citizen the very justice you would ask to anyone. We are not asking for anything special here. This is not regional issue. This is the rights of your own helpless people. Asking for justice is the least we can do for them. Release them or bring them to court. If you don’t do it, the regime will be happy to keep them there. There is a line we should draw in our public discourse; justice for innocent citizens is the most non-negotiable item. This should be what defines us as humans.
    i’b nigber! kruub fetari nifrah!
    Ghezae Hagos

    • selam

      Dear Ghezae
      You are completely right about this , i think we are developing an immune system that get us lose from the reality. I regret absolutely your last fear of God thing, what god , he is not around the people who are selling their brothers kidney . So please we do not fear god at all. Lets hope we use this information to help us build a great opposition , if we could not do it now , we will lose every thing even if UN bring other horrible report about eritrea. The cake in Eritrea all about mining will start to enter western big companies after that we are done.

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas,

    Professor Asmerom Legesse, who tried his best to establish a democratic and traditional ruling system among th Oromo people of Ethiopia, the one who dedicated 40 years of his time for the oromo people, the one who has much respect among the oromo people, is now turning upside down his good deeds by becoming the first instrumental tool of the dictatorial regime in Asmara.

    When he visited in France, he got humiliated infront of the mass media (Public senate TV channel), soon he joined G7, a rebel and anti_peace group currently stationed, in Eritrea and heavily armed by PFDJ regime, who never believe on the independence of Eritrea, arranged conference to distablise Ethiopia. Sophia Tesfamariam and Elias Amare were among th cowards who joined him too.

    Now, he is also rejected by the house of Lords in UK. Yes, he deserves such humiliation.

    He has adviced PFDJ regime in the area of justice for the last 25 years. He is the one who master-minded the community based court services by dismantling an existing legal system since 1950s.

    Professor Asmerom, as good as he is in his acadamic life, he prefered to serve the dictator. Instead of accepting institutional procedure, he designed a legal system that cripples the society leaving the ruling regime to excercise what ever they want. He adviced PFDJ junta to controm everything and be above rule of law.

    To his shame, he went to the house of Lords, to give a lecture based on fabricated good words.

    But yes, the house of the Lords knows who should be served in their house.

    Yes, UK is a responsible country and can not ignore the COI report and invite a guest that serves the regime who is in serious accusation against humanity.

    Professor Asmerom, could have used his academic background to serve the people, the same as he did to Oromo. Instead, he sided with PFDJ, for 25 years and yet he is continuing to serve this regime. This is morally and professionally unacceptable.

    Well done UK for canceling such events.

    Source of the news, TN, Turning News agency of PFDJ.

    http://www.tesfanews.net/house-of-lord-closing-the-doors-on-eritrea-constructive-engagement/

    tes

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Well done Justices seeking Eritreans and organisations in UK for lobbying and putting pressure on all those who intended to allow messengers of a dictator to have a panel discussion of lies and deceits in the place where people discuss people’s issues without any fear of reprisal! Kudos!

    • haileTG

      Dear tes,

      Thanks for that update. Good for that idiotic man and lost soul Asmerom, tekal getsu:-)

  • Dayphi

    شَهْرُ رَمَضانَ الَّذِى أُنْزِلَ فِيهِ الْقُرْآنُ…
    ” Ramadan is the ( month ) in which was sent down the Qur’an….” Al-Baqara [2:185].

    Greetings to All.
    For the year 1436 H. we have been blessed one more time, with the advent of this Holy Month. I extend my congratulations and good wishes to all Eritrean and Habeshean Muslims in particular, and to all Muslims worldwide in general, to have a blessed and a joyful month of fasting its days and standing up in reciting of the whole Qur’an on its nights. May God Almighty accept your fastings, standings, charities.
    In these times of confusion, trials and tribulations, let’s ask the Almighty, to remove from our people the difficulties, and guide them to better place than the Libyan Desert or death in Mediterranean. And grant them with abundance in back home as well as in refugee camps in Sudan ,Ethiopia, and Yemen. May Allah bless our neighbours for being good towards our refugees. Ameen.
    Happy First Friday Of Ramadan.

  • House of Stark

    Dear All
    Obama going to Ethiopia.

  • selam

    Dear Forumers
    Why are we debating about Ethiopians even if they use Eritrea as their country , does it make sense to forget all Eritreans ?
    Of course the reason you debate on Ethiopians is due to the presense of many Southerners in awate.com. i have no idea if we need Ethiopian commenters to discuse our issues unless there is some thing from the old book in play. Now i am not saying they are not important to the issue but they are less to contribute to our solutions as they are the main reason not to settle the discussion on Eritrean case. I thought we will continue to debate about our suffering but the debate is going no where due to the comments that come from south. I repeat any one who does not care about our history has no value to debate . Most people forget we are discussing about Eritrean refugees not about Oromo, Amhara and Tigrawot refugees . These from south are not important and they do not deserve our time nor do they get any voice in UN. Ethiopians are voiceless and they are just under the curtain. No one will speak or write about Ethiopian refugees . They do not count as human being , UNHCR does not count them even if they exist , so why we care.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/4/if-ethiopia-is-so-vibrant-why-are-young-people-leaving.html

    Ethiopians are getting political asylum residence in all Europe , you want prove ask the oromo, Amhara people they do not need to be Eritreans .They can testify they have a government which kills , murders . This is open world even if UNHCR try to hide .

    • Abi

      Hi Selam
      You are not the first one to say ” they do not count as human beings.”
      What do you want to call them ?

    • Yoty Topy

      Hi Selam,
      A noble call but how about you start by learning to manage your irrational hatred for anything that has to do with Ethiopia?

      • selam

        Dear Yoty Topy
        Teach me how to make you understand Eritrean issues are not that much important to you and alike. Again i do not hate Ethiopia and Ethiopians , what i said is , their life is not important on the eyes of UNHCR or even on the eyes of the Human rights , on the eyes of USA , so why are these people talking about Ethiopian refugees who take their papers in the west on the name of Eritrea. Why do Eritreans care even if 1 million Ethiopians get resistance permit in the west, it is not Eritreans business. That should be clear for today i guess.

        Abi , what did i say , i think we have solved on the Meles chenawi issue thing , lets do it short on this migration issue too.
        i could care less even all ethiopians get residence permit in Europe by claiming Eritreans , we do not pay them their house rent and all , we did not pay their journey expenses, why we debate about them while UNHCR omit their existence . You think you know how i hate or love Ethiopians no , you have no clue , the only thing you know is i hate meles chenawi , murderer , dergi , haile all of them are wheel over anther wheel born to kill people .

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi Selam,
          All I am saying is that compassion is not a finite commodity. Your display of love for others doesn’t diminish your love for your fellow brothers.

    • Olana

      Dear Selam
      Now you are running out of ideas like your rotten president. Is that all what you can say, poor girl?

      • selam

        Dear Olana
        we already did one batch yesterday , you need one ok lets do it.
        Meles chenawi , seraki i am happy he is dead , Dergi no need any of my words , haile , well he was better than most African leaders in his time but when it comes to Eritrean and their life he was no better than dergi or meles komal. Now what is the idea you want to discuse with me , do you have any postive things to say about any issue that concern Eritrea and its people , please spill your expired egg, i can make sure all of them are thrown out . What exactly are people like you to contribute to the Eritrean suffering , tell me olana ? For me there is no reason to debate Eritrean internal issues with born enemies of my people . I do not understand what makes others flatter all over your rotten watermelon.

        • Olana

          Dear Selam
          Do you think you bring any idea to discuss? NO. Answer all the questions I asked you yesterday. All you know is insulting people and that is nonsense. BTW I know but don’t understand some of the insults you are used to repeat now and then.
          Yes I have a lot to say about the suffering of the Eritrean people because my childhood friends, old friends, my families, my school mates are suffering under the dictatorship of DIA because some of them are in prisons for many years unknown whether they are alive or dead, some of them are in refugee camps, some of them are in western countries crying for help as they could not see their parents and families for years. The list could go on. For me this is not politics rather human rights issue.

          • selam

            Dear Olana
            Great points only the wrong person with heinous intentions. Ok lets accept your points as they stood on a bare landlocked place country. So do you think any Eritreans should talk about Ethiopians who use Eritrea as his country? Why would we spend time on forgetten people by UNHCR , why? We have our own peoole in problem to worry about.
            Olana you have to understand also that , i am not here to make you happy , you can go to death if you want. Selam is not here to be understood by people who lost the good cause.
            Last question , do you believe dergi , meles and haile are murderers if not , do not even reply to me.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Ethiopians Posing As Eritreans After Fleeing Ethiopia

    Please note that these Ethiopian migrants and refugees are told by the smugglers to claim and pose that they are Eritreans and NOT Ethiopians. This is indeed amazing when you think about it. Even the smugglers are in the scheme/plan of “the Eritrean Refugee Crisis”, but I think with time and more information we will learn that there is more to the story of the much hyped hoopla of the Eritrean refugees crisis than meets the eye.

    Well, we know about the mastermind of the migrant crisis to be an Ethiopian named Ermias Ghermai
    http://europe.newsweek.com/mastermind-evil-genius-behind-migrant-crisis-328471

    https://youtu.be/RZoIP1D0Eto

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb,
      Okay, many of the refugees and even the traffickers are Ethiopians. May be there were few Eritrean refugees with them, that is all. Gosh, can you sleep well now?
      Actually, there are two of them mentioned as the main traffickers. One is Mered Medehanie (the General) and the other is Ermias Ghirmay. The former is said Eritrean and the latter Ethiopian. These two are criminal individuals to the deepest. Both of them are the most cruel ugly creatures our planet has ever known. They mocked the drowning of innocent refugees with a laughter. They have become millionaires in a couple of years.
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/migrant-boat-disaster-smuggler-known-as-the-general-laughed-about-deaths-on-crossing-from-libya-to-italy-10193569.html

    • haileTG

      Selam Gheteb,

      These Ethiopians faking to be Eritreans are simply amazing! It is not only faking it to be Eritreans but managed to fool all Eritrean diaspora to pay their ransom, fooled all the Eritrean families to mourn them, fooled the Ethiopian and Sudanese governments to set up camps for quarter of a million persons between them, fooled the Eritrean regime to pretend to want to transport their bodies from Lampedusa at no cost…They are simply master Houdini at the act! How did we miss that? Thanks the PFDJ sponsored ESAT, we’re well learned now:-)

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi HTG,
        What a curvy sharp shooter you are! Haile’s shot:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdL7EDKr_rk

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam haile TG,
        .
        There is more, it goes into the twilight zone. These Ethiopian refugees are faking their way into the refugee camps inside Ethiopia by the thousands pretending to be Eritreans. The Ethiopian Government allows this farce because U.N is paying cash for taking care of the fake refugees. There has to be more than meet the eyes.
        .
        When you think the level of discussion cannot get any weirder it gets weirder.
        .
        K.H

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear KH,
          it might be true. It may not..who cares ? no time to investigate as there is one main subject to be solved by asking why that happened? If PFDJ is not there will we have refuges in first place? why Ethiopians don’t have refuges in Eritrea?

          Lol, go calculating the population and imagine there are refuges in Eritrea… if there are 100,000 Eritrean refuges in Ethiopia within that 6 million people of Eritrea how much will be when converted to the population of 80+ million people of Ethiopia which might have entered to Eritrea?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Knkhob Selam,
            .
            It is a fact of life that there are Ethiopian and Eritrean refugees in different directions of the surrounding hostile desert. It is not difficult to imagine in this hard journey there are Ethiopians and Eritreans sticking to each other, looking after each other’s backs just to stay alive. Sharing their dreams and hopes.
            .
            We have seen when they get captured by the “evil doers” they were not asked who is Ethiopian and who is Eritrean. That distinction, in my opinion, is prominent in the west, the step children of the regime in Asmara.
            .
            K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear KH,

            That no question, even none among us think we are different when we face that risky journey. Aren’t one Peple Habesha? Shshsh… those corrupted mya hear and talk about Habesha fundamentalism…Lol you know what I am thinking …to test and examine some people who hate each other among us to desert of Sinai or Mediterranean sea and watch how they will cooperate each other. Lol they will forget about Eritrean and Ethiopian flags and help each other. deep inside we are one.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam HTG,

        More than 75,000 Ethiopians migrate annually to Libya according to the Foreign Ministry of the Earthly Eden of The Horn Of Africa, er, I meant Ethiopia. You know the inspirational hub of all the forces that arrayed against the PFDJ/GoE, be they Eritreans, non-Eritreans and Eritrean wannabes. Here this ain’t from “the PFDJ sponsored ESAT”, but from this…

        “In 2011, the Ethiopian Ministry of Foreign Affairs estimated that more than 75,000 citizens migrate annually to Libya, most with the hope of making it to Europe. Italy is the leading Mediterranean nation of reception, with about 10,000 Christian migrants from Ethiopia, according to the Pew Research Center. Many get stranded; others die
        trying”

        But non of these Ethiopians are registered in Eurostat as asylum seekers, according to this…
        The glaring contradictions speak volumes however one tries to minimize the effect of tarnishing the gleaming image of the Earthly Eden Of The Horn Of Africa, Ethiopia, the epicenter of all of the anti-Eritrean agendas! I
        HTG, you can mince words and split and re-split hair and try to dismiss these stories, but the fact of the matter is that those who are trying to purvey the hokum “Ethiopia as a model and inspirational hub” need to realize that their ware is stale and its shelf life has EXPIRED.

        • haileTG

          Selam Gheteb,

          Actually more people migrate from India too. What isn’t happening in those countries is “crisis”. That means entire squads of sports men and women, artists, singers, whole villages, entire highly educated class, diplomats, ministers, tens of thousands of their army…isn’t deserting. That is happening in Eritrea at astoundingly frightening levels. Eritreans die in boatloads, hundreds at a time, i.e. substantially made up of people with promising future and the young. You are comparing normal migration levels of countries against an exodus of masses of populations making up 20% of the population’s total. Because people die in country x, you don’t go to justify the genocide in Rwanda or former Yugoslavia. One is within normal trend and the other is “crisis”. Eritreans flooding in mass is at crisis levels.

        • Semere Andom

          Cuz Gheteb:
          instead of ghetebizing Nitricc, Gheteb is niriccized and soon dawitasied, dangerous combination for the mind. Ethioipia is not Eden, but it is safer and better than Eritrea, ask the Eritreans there, nay do not ask them, they have already told you, admit it when coaxing the truth that l knows lurks in you cuz. By the way Eden is on Earth, before the identical twin of PFDJ, IS burned it 🙂
          Ethiopians migrate? why is this an epiphany, their government does nto deny it, and they do not migrate to the African Eden, Eritrea and they do not sink in the sea like Eritreans do and their government saves some of them from Yemen, yea the number is small like 100 out of thousands, but Eritrea doe not even mention its own, it calls them Africans., disowning its own like lepers is what your government does
          Also you are out your elements, the non Eritreans wannabe Eritreans is an oxymoron

        • tes

          Dear Gheteb,

          Tireless propagandista,

          Now you are trying to bring statistical data. But first, what the heck is making you to compare and contrast the immigration of Ethiopians?

          Before bringing figures, you could simply ask, “why Eritreans are migrating? And then, why, Ethiopians are taking the oppostunity? If one opens a door for business, every one has an opportunity to enter the door opened by the business person. PFDJ is simply the business person who opened the door to let people leave their country by force. Then anyone can use that opportunity if it works.

          The easiest thing could have been to shut the business center.

          Anyway, 75,000, (let it be as you said) could seem big number for an innocent reader as compared to 4000 (monthly Eritreans who flee from Eritrea) * 12 = 60,000.

          Ethioopia: population – 100,802,031 (as per 01/2015 estimates (http://countrymeters.info/en/Ethiopia)

          75,000 is out of 100,802,031 : 75,000 / 100,802,031 = 0.0744% ,

          Every year, from every 10,000 Ethiopians, 7.44 (7 approximately 8) persons are living the country

          Eritrea: Population: 6,596,923 (As per 01/2015 estimates http://countrymeters.info/en/Eritrea)

          UNHCR reprt: 4000 Eritreans leave the country every month. But let’s take even minmum estimate, 3000

          In a year, 3,000*12 =36,000 / 6,596,923 = 0.5457%,

          Every year, from every 10,000 Eritreans, 54.57 (approximately 55) persons are leaving the country.

          Fact finding 1: from every 10,000 Eritreans, 55 are leaving the country every year. While from Ethiopia, only 8.are leaving.

          Ratio: 55 Eritreans : 7 Ethiopians

          Eritreans/Ethiopians ratio = 55:7, approximately, 8 (Eritreans) :1 (Ethiopians)

          Fact findings: For every 8 Eitreans, there is also one Ethiopian asking asylum as an Eritrean

          Every year, from 10,000 Eritreans and 10,000 Ethiopians, we have 9 asylum seekers.

          total applicants: 9,

          Then, the probability of pretending as Eritrean for an Ethiopian is: 1 in every 9 asylum applicants,

          89% are Eritreans
          11% are Ethiopians.

          then, which one is important figure?

          Don’t try to fool the innocent

          Dear Awatawyan, suppose, there are Ethiopians who claim to be Eritreans to get an refugee status: then, the probablity is only 11%. 11% of Ethiopians have a probability to get a refugee status if they claimed to be from Eritrea. The rest, 89% are Eritreans.

          This is the hollow propaganda of Gheteb when it is fully exposed.

          tes

      • Mizaan1

        Dear HTG, let’s even assume 40% of these refugees/immigrants are Ethiopians pretending to be Eritreans. You would still be talking about close to 200k Eritreans.

        • Semere Andom

          HTG and Mizaaan
          The arguments they present even from their so called cerebral ones gets absurd by the minute.
          Also remember that Eritreans in fear of deportation also claim they are Eritreans , these happened in Libya, in Malta and in Israel. When their source is ESAT and deny TPDM exists in Eritrea you gotta wonder

        • tes

          Dear Mizaan1,

          I have tried to make a rough estimates according based on his figure. Only 11% are Ethiopians, if that satisfies his curiousity.

          The bad thing is: PFDJ and his clonies hate statistical data. They just give numbers., very random with no meaning.

          Just suppose:

          We have 100 Eritrean journalists are detained by PFDJ of Eritrea recently just suppose:

          And then, jjust suppose 1000 journalists got prisoned by EPRDFof Ethiopia

          Then an innocent reader may ignore the report from Eritrea (that is what PFDJ diehard are doing) and got shocked by the report from Ethiopia:

          But what does statistics is telling us:

          Then, 1 out 100,000 Ethiopians is under prison (1000 prisoners)

          But 1.5 out of 100,000 are in prison (100 prisoners).

          Statistical data speaks the reality. Let’s not therefore take literal meaning. 40% is too much to estimate.

          tes

          • Ted

            Dear Tes, “the king maker” what did i do to put me in the PFDJista list:) You miss the point when you say Ethiopians assuming Eritrean identity is minimal, What is important is telling the whole truth. You have no choice but to accept this reality after years of denial. Say it 40 or 10 %, it doesn’t tell the truth about the African migration crisis vis avis Eritrea “There are three types of lies — lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            The question is not whether they are 40% or 11% bla bla. I just went to such counter argument to dash Gheteb’s hollow numbers.

            The question should be: Why Eritreans are fleeing?

            I don’t care even if the whole world claims to be Eritrean in order to get a refugee status. The basic question I always is, “why all this to Eritreans?”

            And as PFDJista as you are, you even didn’t surprise me to see a balanced report from COI.

            Dear Ted, what balanced report are waiting for?

            Are you really caring for your fellow citizens?

            How hard and closed heart you have?

            Why you are spending your time to oppose the opposition camp instead of opposing the brutal regime?

            And now, you are asking me why I called you a PFDJista?

            really you are not human being. You can speak but you can’t think. You can right but you don’t read.

            Your heart is so hard Ted. I cry from deep of my heart when I read comments like yours.

            Just read your response to Gheteb.

            You guys are friends of killers.

            Eritrean innocent and young people are counting on you simply because you are defending the killer regime.

            tes

          • Ted

            Deat tes, My heart is not hard or soft. Just healthy flesh doing its job , pumping blood. How does it be hard when it is the source of all good things in life as we were told.
            I don’t deny the suffering of our people and i want do everything i can to alleviate it. But i know my limits and capabilities and don’t expect my bravado or barking can/will make the GoE collapse. I want this report to be ironclad in its entirety, with no reasonable doubts. To my dismay, Ms Sheilla faltered midway by a couple of teenagers, what does it tell you when there is detailed scurrility of the report. .If you see it in this light, you would understand my point. Just wait Saay report if have not read the the 400+ pages.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            Since AT promised us to come with analysis, I stopped to comment and dissect it. But there is one truth in the report; As Gezae hagos presented us, COI tried their level best to get an access to Eritrea. They are denied.

            Even Syria, during their high war days, they allowed UN investigators to confirm allegations that targeted the Syrian Regime in order to check if he is using chemicals or not for war. They didn’t ordred him to stop the war as war has its own course, but they have a right to check what means he uses in the war as it is an agreed convention.

            Why then PFDJ blocked such moves. Worse, he invited uninvited guests like Denmark. Denmark went there not for Eritreans but for themselves. Unlike Denmark, COI didn’t plan to go there for themselves but for the people.

            Now, you are esaying it an ironclad report. Any research has its own limitations. based on the limitations, the research has a right to be conducted. And the limitation is just one thing and that is to check the physical existence of the more than 10,000 prison centers all around the country.

            Don’t mix things here. When I say 10,000 I am not teferring the political prisoners but prison centers.

            This is where your flaw is and this is where your identity is fully exposed with zero uncertainity.

            Hard hearted man, Ted!

            tes

          • saay7

            Selamat Ted:

            I think the environment at HRC is more conducive to people like Sheila than Al Jazeeras The Stream. I don’t know why she accepted the invitation at all; the show is really for sound bite experts; people who can articulate their points in 30 seconds. Call it old age but I can’t watch or listen to those kinds of shows (I literally get a headache) as it reminds me too much of the Jerry Springer Show. But just before the YPFDJ celebrates, the “deleyti ftHi” have soundbite experts (Facebook, Twitter, pal talk) that would have made mincemeat out of Rahel and Filmon. But none of them would survive the deliberative much slower paced HRC halls. (Remember, this will be 3rd or 4th appearance for her and each time she appears she gets more authority and more mandate.)

            And of course the CoI has made some tactical and factual errors and I expect the Eritrean gov to exploit it to the hilt. It was a tactical error not to engage Nevsun spokespersons and cross reference it with testimonies of people who worked there (who knows maybe that would have improved their working condition or they would have admitted they don’t have complete control outside the plant.) CoI has also reported that one individual one picked up in the post Forto 2013 arrests. He was never arrested and I expected the government to find some reason to put him in the news.

            But from a 500 page document, those are trivial mistakes. CoIE has written the definitive document on the era of Isaias Afwerki (1991-present) and it is a damning document. It will be used as reference by asylum seekers, human rights activists, diplomats….everyone but a businessman out to make a buck.

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Ted,

            “Just wait Saay report if have not read the the 400+ pages…

            In all probabilities, you will also be dismayed by Sal’s report of the report. Instead of prevaricating, just be direct and clear and tell us what you think is wrong with the COI-E report. In the one hand you said you don’t deny the suffering of our people, and then you attack those who tried to report on the suffering. Are there lies in the report? if so points them out..
            Ghezae

          • Mizaan1

            Tes, for pete’s sake you are a graduate student. You are supposed to read things critically yet carefully. I gave an exaggerated 40% figure to refute Gheteb’s arguments, which he is trivializing the predicament of the Eritrean people. You put in the highest plausible percentage and you still end up with a ton of Eritrean refugees and immigrants.

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            It is too much exageration. He is serious with referenced data. How can you then simply exagerate and respond to such ugly propagandista?

            Are you trying to remind me that I am a graduate student, Yes I am and that is why I came with scientific rebuttal.

            By exagerating the value, 40%, you are accepting his allegation.

            Concerning my conclusion, yes, I always end up as Eritrean refugees and immigrants. What then can I do?

            We can’t make blind exageration Mizaan. We need to be serious with those PFDJ propagandisats.

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Honestly Tes, I don’t believe Gheteb is a propagandist. He is doing this for fun, playing the devil’s advocate. He cannot seriously believe what he is writing. If you guys ignore him, he will get bored to death. The PFDJ goons cannot understand anything he is writing because he purposefully only targets the likes of you, Hayat Adem, HTG, etc. Ask Ted, Peace, etc. They probably only read one line on his comments just assuming he is doing the job. So he knows who is reading his comments and he is doing this to elevate the debates and to prove that he can outsmart you guys. That is all. If he were to write from our side of the issues, he will lose all attention because we are all saying the same things. He is trying to be different. The guy suffers from ADHD.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mizaan 1,
            I think you are right.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Mizaan1,
            Gheteb is exactly doing what you are saying and I like it. he comes up with what ever he thinks best represents the regime, he is met with an even more powerful and killer counter arguments.
            But I doubt he meant it. I think he is trying his best to sugarcoat things in support of the regime. The problem is no rational reasoning can defend the regime at this time. Gheteb is not someone I admire for anything like you guys do, but even if he were Saay, or Haile or Serray, he couldn’t successfully defend the regime. It is impossible to defend this regime. It is not defensible at all.
            Too many problems. Too many mistakes. Too many crimes. Too many ignorance. too many arrogance. Too many left turns. I mean, which one do you defend even if you want to?
            Gheteb is as good as a wrongly timed hyena (z’ refedo zibiEe). It is usually an average clever animal that would deploy good tactics in times of need but not that respected for gentility, standard and principles.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            Aha, aha, now you described him perfectly.

            “Gheteb is as good as a wrongly timed hyena (z’ refedo zibiEe). It is usually an average clever animal that would deploy good tactics in times of need but not that respected for gentility, standard and principles.”

            This was what I was looking or to describe him perfectly.

            Yes he is an average clever animal that would deploy good tactics

            @Mizaan1, I don’t know why you are so easy to be moved by any wind blowing?

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Tes, that’s probably why because I am skinny. What stand have I changed? I held the exact same belief on gheteb from day one. He is toying with your head. I advise you to ignore him otherwise you will not win against someone who has nothing to lose.

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            I know I am fighting against PFDJ mindset, very hard to do it for most and especially for people like you who become hopeless easily.

            As for me, I know their mindset. I know how to destroy it. If I was not armed well to win against those cowards, I could have better stopped fighting for justice. But I am doing it. I can not ignore killers of my people. And I am quite confident to expose them naked and dump them in a non-recyclable garbage bin collecting center.

            Therefore, take your advice back. You are addressing it wrongly.

            tes

      • dawit

        Dear Haile TG’

        We don’t have to watch ESAT to know whether Ethiopian pose as Eritreans or Eritreans pose as Ethiopians to get refugee status. I know this from my own experience when I became a refugee in Kenya for the first time in my life to live outside my country. In those days in Kenya and Tanzania, you have to claim as an Ethiopian, if you claim an Eritrean you end up in jail, because those countries thought Eritreans were Arabs to destroy ‘OAU’. So the safest and fastest way of getting your status as a refugee was to claim to be Ethiopian. Then you have to claim you are a distance cousin of Haile Selassie or one of his Ministers and generals who were massacred by Mengistu..Because without that status your life is nothing as a state less person. With the refugee status you begin your life from the bottom, UNHCR gives you a little financial assistance not enough to keep you alive but some how you need to manage to be alive. I have two relatives, a niece and a nephew. My niece is Eritrean who flanked her general exam so she left to Sudan through Libya to reach Sweden. My nephew left Ethiopia after dropping from high school, he took the same route and he is now some where in Belgium in a refugee camp, claiming an Eritrean refugee.
        This is my stand about the crisis and plight of our people whether they are Eritreans, Ethiopians or Somalis refugees. The whole region has been left by the international community to rot for decades. I could trace back the crisis as far back to the end of the WWII, that left our region into permanent chaos. Therefore in my opinion this UN report or that commission or monetary group will not end or address the plight of our people. John Forster, Suzan Rice or Shiela Keetharuth will not bring solution to our problems except complicated it further. In my opinion all refugees from our region are political refugees steaming from UN misguided political decision and interference in the region. To label them political or economic refugees is irrelevant they are all refugees resulted from unsettled political crisis in the region.

        • tes

          Dear dawit,

          I think now you are speaking by combining the heart and the mind.

          Here you wrote,

          “I know this from my own experience when I became a refugee in Kenya for the first time in my life to live outside my country. In those days in Kenya and Tanzania, you have to claim as an Ethiopian, if you claim an Eritrean you end up in jail, because those countries thought Eritreans were Arabs to destroy ‘OAU’. So the safest and fastest way of getting your status as a refugee was to claim to be Ethiopian.”

          This is the truth.

          And your second point which I don’t agree as a whole but of debatable is,

          “In my opinion all refugees from our region are political refugees steaming from UN misguided political decision and interference in the region. To label them political or economic refugees is irrelevant they are all refugees resulted from unsettled political crisis in the region”

          I agree on your main labeling but UN has nothing to do in the Eritrean current status. In fact, UN has given more space for the cause of these people.

          As people, we are welcomed as an independent and sovereign since 1993. We got an equal opportunity to sit, discuss and make our point. Instead, we took a step to dismantle UN, AU and IGAD. This is the fact on the ground.

          If you had put PFDJ instead of UN? I could totally accept you in the School of Fine Thoughts”, as an exceptional promotion. Unfortunately, you failed abruptly.

          tes

          • dawit

            Dear tes,

            I know you will not be happy unless I spiced my writing with ‘PFDJ’ the devil in your head. That devil did not drop from Mars in 1991, it was created, born and bred inside Eritrean society as a result of UN decision in 1950s. Yes UN accepted us in 1993, and rejected us in 1998 when we were invaded by a bully of our neighborhood. Since then UN is using one reason after another to destroy us but PFDJ is refusing that to happen. I hope to see you in Geneva next week. It is an invitation to all to join Eritrean mothers remembering their Martyred children and protecting their legacy for Eritrean Independence.. It is not PFDJ rally it is Eritreans historic rally against UN interference in our affairs.

            http://www.tesfanews.net/anti-coi-protest-in-geneva/

          • teweldino

            Hi Dawit,

            Are you staying in Geneva until the 26th June?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcbyPJHAyM

            Tes and Dawit?

          • teweldino

            Hi AT,

            It would be great if the above youtube video finds a place in the Awate homepage until the 26th of July. It is a good representation of conversations between those who openly oppose the government in diaspora and those who chicken out. Hopefully, awate.8 will have more media.

        • haileTG

          Hi dawit,

          Someone becomes a refugee for many reasons, at the heart which is something making them want leave their home countries. Poverty is one reason, family re-union is another and often the west’s immigration officials do know that some percentage of the claimants may not be telling the truth. When you have mass outflow of people, it normally is triggered from emergency conditions. Now we know in Eritrea’s case is Crimes Against Humanity. For others it is war or genocide. The Eritrean regime is saying that Eritreans are leaving en mass to escape US misguided policy in the region. And the refugees themselves are saying that life has become unbearable for them due to endless servitude and lack of rule of law. If the regime is right then that is the first in history to see mass influx of refugees in reaction to the policies of a third party country. The COI has simplified things for Eritreans to challenge the regime and devastated its absurdities. The world now knows that an emergency situation is unfolding in Eritrea. Humanity will need to play it part in alleviating the suffering.

          Regards

      • Dear HTG,
        Minimizing and trivializing the predicament of the Eritrean people, rationalizing the actions of the PFDJ regime and outsourcing responsibilities to Ethiopia and the US, is
        the grand plan of the regime and its supporters, and their modus operandi. Denial is a defense mechanism widely used by the regime and its cohorts. The famous “where is the evidence”, as we all know, is the tall wall behind which DIA hides himself.

        Even if there are some Ethiopians who try to exploit the priority given to Eritrean refugees for asylum, this does not minimize the number nor decrease the significance of the big exodus of young people from Eritrea, or the enslavement of its people by the worst dictator in Africa. The tens of thousands of Ethiopian migrants and the hundreds of thousands of Eritreans refugees are not problems of a similar dimension for the affected countries. The damage done to Eritrea, even if the regime and
        its supporters deny it, is huge.

        • haileTG

          Selam Horizon,

          The reason PFDJ engages in such absurd argumentation is not to counter the real issues but in a futile attempt to derail or delay its final downfall. Imagine that this is a regime that deny visa to investigators and turns around to say the investigations (COI) is unfair because they didn’t get to visit the country! This is a regime that jails people for reasons they are not aware of and if they protest the unfair jailing then that becomes the justification for their arrest and being left to rot for good because they criticized it! This is a regime which argues that Amnesty intl. has conflict of interest to contribute to the HR investigations but Denmark immigration and Nevsun of Canada are impartial observers (the former has no interest what so ever and the latter two are only forced to talk out of sheer self interest).

          Hence, the regime does this for internal consumption but had brought it total and resoundingly emphatic condemnation of the world community. Internally, its supporters need anesthetic freeze to get through the cruel ordeals of their people and country deaf and blind. The regime’s pathetic reasoning are simply designed to serve for that purpose. To the rest of humanity, there is no discussion between a certified abuser with a badge of Crimes Against Humanity and themselves. At some point the regime will bail out and its supporters will bite the bullet, no way around that eventuality. When that time comes around, none will come forward to admit that they were this stupid and blind.

          Regards

    • Ted

      Hi Gheteb, the Ms Sheila did disservice the Eritrean justice seekers cause. There are things we know and things we don`t know. Ms. Sheilla in the position and with all the amenities in her disposal could have helped us see the whole picture. What i see from her report is one sided narrative. It looks like unimaginative story . She wrote a plot line for the story “ the Èritrean humanitarian Crisis“ in her office and went looking for appropriate `dialogue“ to fit in her plot line. Those who diverge from this plot line are rejected and omitted. She should had presented a protagonist and antagonist side of the events. Sadly, she chose one sided( the villain is bad, bad bad) kind of explanation to make her report acceptable without the factual information to support her argument. This kind of weakness( holes in the story) has made the report weak and susceptible for questioning.( what else is new, UN)

      • saay7

        Selamat Ted:

        First of all my condolences on The Cavs. It was just the year of the Warriors. They are having a parade right now in their city, Oakland. The last gathering in Oakland was to protest police shooting so Inam sure u are happy for the city. Cavs came out of nowhere to be contenders and King James will always be king.

        Now on he report of the CoIE. My article on the subject is on cue: it will probably be published tonight or tomorrow. I think you are mistaken on your assessment. The report is really 3 parts: the first 90 pages are background and history of Eritrea and EPLF to present time. The second 300 pages are the testimonies. And the last 50 or so are appendix. In writing the background history of Eritrea and EPLF, the report essentially accepts the Eritrean and EPLF narrative: on the separate identities of Eritrea and Ethiopia, Bahta Hagos, the justified anger Eritreans feel to UN, the first peaceful and economically promising seven years of Eritrea, the Hanish Crisis and how both eritrea and Yemen split the islands and were accepting of the verdict, the Ethiopian role in instigating the Eritrea-Ethiopia border war, the Ethiopian refusal to comply with EEBC and the worlds indifference to Ethiopias defiance and the country’s impressive MDG performances on health-related issues. Ethiopians will have a problem with the narration and ELF will have problem with the narration. I think that was CoI conducting a prebuttal to all the arguments PFDJ will make unrelated to its violation of human rights…

        The rest…we’ll wait for the article. Tonight or tomorrow 🙂

        saay

        • Ted

          Dear Saay, thank you i need it:). the world almost lost meaning after the loss. The King lost his steam(just exhausted) went to be point gourd in the second half. If you think about it, you can`t take away The kings achievement taking the “awful state“ team to this level. You better enjoy it while it last, the team will not be near to this position in a near future. I am happy for you though.
          The Report you mentioned is all good talking our story and successes, but have you seen the media`s take on the report(i am sure they didn`t bother to read the whole report, and the summery is what they needed to know), and Mr Sheilla`s interview focuses on the her summery of her report.
          I will wait for the article.
          Dear SJ, i wish you went there prepared. It feels like it took you a while to recollect your thoughts to make sound argument. I blame it on the interview environment.

          • Pass the salt

            Ted,
            It is not that SJ wasn’t prepared. This kind of setting is not accommodating to Eritrean politics where you will need longer time to explain things without getting cut off after a couple of sentences. That’s what got PIA in trouble with his Jezeera interview five years ago. You get cut off in the middle of your thought process, and you lose it all. It isn’t easy.

        • ghezaehagos

          Dearest SAAY,

          We have developed this habit of not reading important documents that affect our lives. Previously in SEMG reports and now COIE. I don’t know how can we advance any discourse if we not reading the reports and

          I am waiting for your condensed report which will be ‘COI-E’ simplified’. I also hope we will read yours too otherwise, we going to need condensed report of AT’s condensed report..:)
          Yours,
          Ghezae

          • tes

            Dear Gezae,

            You should not worry about not developing a habit of not reading; What we shoud rather worry is, do we have institutions that disseminate information?

            Mind you though, analysis is different. I am waiting for awate.com to come up with kind of analysis. But this is one thing.

            The oppostion camp are most of time busy in making their own news. They should also learn to diffuse information as it is to their clients.

            tes

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            You are not getting off that easy, you are expect to draft an article from the legal angle. Tes should write an article from a Newtonian angle; Haile should write an article from hearts-and-minds angle. I am impressed by the productivity of the other side when it comes to this: Yemane Charlie wrote 32 tweets I think on one day; TesfaNews is all over it; madote…they have been cranking them out.

            Well, our society is an oral society, give them a break. But this website, as a senior PFDJista once called us dismissively is “ny mesafnti” (by which he means people who can read English) and we owe it to our readers.

            I am eagerly awaiting yours, Hailats, Tes, Bayan, Mahmouday, Sem, Emma…everyone. We can just tackle only one angle from the litany of crimes listed. I have dropped iten zelwani baldonga: it is published prematurely because somebody is very hungry:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            Granted.

            Regards

        • Nitricc

          Hi SAAY I just wanted to remind you to include the reason why this finding leaked before it is presented to the concerning body? I will comment my take but every time this happens; to the naked eye it seems to hurt the GoE but in reality; it is helping the government. I will wait for the article but if you ask me; the toothless UN helped the government of Eritrea greatly. I shall explain; including my failed prediction of calling the Cavs to win it in Six. For now let me tell you this. When I looked it up the status up to game five. Lebron rested just 22 minutes through five games; that is including two over times and on his 22 minutes on the bench the rest of the team scored 0 points. SAAY that should tell you every think you need to know. So, you guys just beat one man and I couldn’t do it against the Cavs. If you asking me; your golden state should hand the trophy to the Cavs. Lol

          • saay7

            Nitriccay:

            It didn’t leak. It is an “advance copy” posted on HRC website. And your government actually received a week or two before it was published. They just didn’t read it because they like to dismiss everything. Everything is nothing…in 1999 when Ethiopia was buying latest war toys? Oh, it’s nothing. Threats of Sanctions? Oh it means nothing. Hundreds of thousands of Eritreans leaving? Oh, they are on a picnic. Now with a threat of “crimes against humanity” hanging over their heads, they are panic stricken.

            Warriors won; Cavs lost. The Warriors had the 4th best record of all time for the entire season. They slaid not just the King but every All-Star that came their way. Don’t be a toothless sore loser 🙂

            saay

          • Pass the salt

            Nitricc fara:)
            Where did you get the idea the report was leaked? You’re just toothlessing around.

  • Nitricc

    23 December 2009
    Eritrea Daily
    Back then we were told “Merry Christmas and a happy Sanctions Day,” and we were told the 12th hour was approaching……and the end of Eritrea was a done deal.. but it has been five years. Is PIA stronger today than back then?

    http://www.eritreadaily.net/News2009/article200912231_html_m7d8ff51b.jpg

    • Hayat Adem

      Nitricc,
      Is it a question? He is not. He is way weaker and every passing day adds to that. But you guys need to agree on one theme, Yesterday you posted us a video you wanted us to watch the interview featuring Saba. Her main theme, also supported by Rahel and Filmon was that the Sanction is hurting and that is one main reason people are leaving. Here you are telling us, after 2009 and the sanctions, PIA is roaring even stronger.

      • Abi

        Hi Hayat
        There is a difference between roaring and burping. Some burps are louder. See the confusion ?

        • Hayat Adem

          Correction Abi,
          PIA burproaring even louder since the placement of the sanction…when they brought the first sanction he hybridized his roaring with burping successfully. When they brought the 2nd sanction to silence him, he roared lower and burped much more louder. He has been burping upper front right to the ear-level up to now. But If they bring another sanction for the third time, he will add new devices and burp backwards below the belt. No African leader, not even the white leaders have ever done that before. That is why PIA is unique.

          • Abi

            Hayat
            This hybrid thing is interesting. Are you saying 3rd time will be plug-in hybrid ? As you said, IA knows where the discharging station is located.

  • dawit

    Gedif
    You don’t know your history. Mengistu was collecting 300,000-500,000 poor Ethiopians for every zemecha or werera he did just to get rid of less than 100,000 EPLF fighters. It is always the always ‘Gala bimot Gala yetekal’ the driving philosophy of Ethiopia. In the last war Ethiopia lost 120,000 soldiers, mostly as stepping mined fields. ‘Bomb Regatch’ troops. Mad man? You must be out of your mind!

  • dawit

    Hi Brhan,
    You don’t invade your own land. Bademe was Eritrean before the war and still Eritrean land after Ethiopian invasion. Please don’t try to twist history. Eritrea does not have a history of invading its neighbors, but Ethiopia does.

    • Brhan

      Dear Dawit,
      The people and government of Ethiopia are busy building the nation. They do not even think and talk about Eritrea. Instead they focus on hosting their
      northern brothers (UN call them refugees) including giving them higher education, employment opportunities and so on and so forth. By the way this are some of the rights they have been denied by their “government”. Now in Ethiopia there is no time and resource to waste on

      • dawit

        Dear Brhan,
        The proper description would be busy ‘selling the nation’. Have you visit your country recently outside Addis. Very little has changed since Haile Selassie left it. Ok you see few green houses where people toil for 14 hours a daily for subsistence wages. Most of the grazing lands are fenced and sold to private ‘Investors”. Ethiopia is a one man “gursha” economy ‘Sheik Alamudi’ PLC.. How many kids are trapped chewing ‘chat’ and hammering coble stones daily after graduating from colleges. You have built concentration camps in your northern border, which (UN call them Refugees) just to collect their ER ID so that you use it to resettle in Europe, America, Australia. If you know your recent history, the man you call DIA who is known ‘Lion Of Nakfa is your master who liberated your Ethiopia and put your rulers in the Menelik Palace, and still they worship the land he stepped on.

    • Fenominal

      Bingo,dawit!
      Truth is bitter sweet and no one dares to taste the bitter part of it.

  • LittleVoice

    Dear All
    The AljAljezeera team just humiliated the government and it’s supporters and the best was the ending where Gadi said “…they just want a cheap tourist destination…”. Thank you brother!

    • LittleVoice

      PS, National service is no more the bigger evil any more, it’s been overtaken and phasing out leaving People Militia as the new driver of migration and human rights abuse. They are saying they will shorten the national service to 18 months and they will do that to satisfy the world and in turn enlist all in the open ended peoplesarmy. I can write a good article about this if I any one is interested.

  • dawit

    Michael
    What another fishing expedition based on what if?
    1. Slave labor- “Eritreans do it with pride”
    2. 2% tax- ” Eritreans pay it gladly”
    3. Development aid: Just a chicken feed compared to Eritrean mining resources.
    No amount of economic blockade can stop Eritrean ‘Self Reliant Economy’. Keep dreaming.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Espying The Eritrean Political Landscape From An Aerie Perched High On The Cliffs Of Pieter Both

    Imagine that you were an eagle perched high on the cliffs of the second highest mountain in Mauritius and imagine also you were preternaturally gifted to catch a sight or glimpse of far away places such as Eritrea. The one thing that you will discover is that you would not be able to spot and observe the Eritrean terrain without first noticing and seeing Djibouti’s and Ethiopia’s topographies. You will see the Eritrean landscape after you have taken glimpses of the Djiboutian and Ethiopian landscapes. Another thing you will also find out is that you won’t see the Sudanese lands before seeing the Eritrean terrain.

    Now as an eagle if you had fancied and had the urge and whim of visiting those Eritrean lands that you have been espying from your aerie on the peaks of mount Pieter Both, your first stopovers and sojourns will be in Djibouti and Ethiopia before you reach your destination, Eritrea. However, you wouldn’t need to make a stop in the Sudan before reaching Eritrea, maybe after you visit to Eritrea you may end up visiting the Sudan.

    What the COI ( Commission Of Inquiry) has done in conducting its “inquiry” is analogous to what the imaginary eagle would have done if it were to act on its whims of ‘visiting’ Eritrea. As the eagle wouldn’t have thought about making a stopover in the Sudan before heading to Eritrea, so did the COI in not bothering to visit the Sudan. They followed ‘the eagle’s instinct’ and headed directly to Ethiopia and Djibouti and NEVER to the Sudan. They ended up smack-dab at the epicenter and hub of anti-Eritreanism. Otherwise, they could have found as many, if not more, migrants and refugees in the Sudan. Last time I checked, there are Eritrean migrants/refugees in Kenya, Uganda and other African countries.

    The fact that the COI has failed to include or more precisely decided to exclude other Eritreans from other African countries save Ethiopia and Djibouti is one of the super colossal shortcomings and soft underbellies of the commission’s “inquiry”. What one finds to be among other Achilles’ heel of the COI’s report is the premeditated exclusion of a significant segment or chunk of the Eritrean diaspora. If the COI can arrange for Eritreans to give their written testimonials using and utilizing the offices and amenities of known anti-GoE individuals in London, why it failed to do likewise for those who support the GoE or those Eritreans who cleave a neutral political lines? This is inexcusable unless the COI wanted its report to purely reflect all the ant-GoE sentiments or stances.

    What I also found not to pass the smell test is the assertion by Ms. Keetharuth that the request for a meeting she received from certain Eritreans was while she was serving as a rapporteur and not a member of COI is the prime example of offering a distinction without a difference. What difference does it make if the intention was to find out the human rights situations in Eritrea. Well, I guess here is another clear sign that the intended result was not meant to include anything that may even remotely contradict the negative picture the report was to paint about Eritrea.

    Here is also Nevsun stating that it was not approached by the COI.

    Finally, what was the main reason that the UN and its movers and shakers along with those who are working to see the end of the GoE/PFDJ for producing this COI report with such a fanfare? Here is what the GoE is asserting to be the main rationales.

    “These accusations and the despicable attempts to silence those who have anything positive to say about Eritrea are a transparent attempt to race against time to impede the increasing and increasingly productive international engagement with Eritrea. Clearly, the resort to extreme charges and indecent hyperbole, including cynical and unwarranted reference to “possible crimes against humanity,” is intended to forestall a sober reflection on the realities in Eritrea and to rush matters and force the issue before fairness and justice can prevail. It is also undeniable that there are those who will hide behind these outrageous claims to whitewash their transgressions against Eritrea and to seek pretexts for their acts of destabilization.”

    And, the Western media have echoed and extensively covered the COI report. Here is The British newspaper The Guardian spelling out what all those forces arrayed against the GoE/PFDJ are trying to circumvent and are trying mightily trying to preclude at all costs.

    “UN officials and human rights organisations are increasingly concerned at what they believe are secret deals being drawn up between Eritrea and European Union nations, which may involve the regime being given money or having sanctions lifted in return for imposing tougher border controls.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/13/un-fears-eu-secret-eritrea-deals-close-border

    • tes

      Dear Gheteb,

      The tireless propagandist,

      Since you don’t deserve too much counter-response, I will simply dash your hollow hallucination about the conspiracy.

      You wrote, “”UN officials and human rights organisations are increasingly concerned
      at what they believe are secret deals being drawn up between Eritrea and
      European Union nations,…”

      Man, there is no secret deals with Eritrea and EU, it is an open agenda: to stop Eritrean exodus and protect EU from being flooded by emmigrants. EU could have spent billions of dollars if it was possible to stop exodus in Eritrea let alone three hundred million dollars.

      If we look into all development programs initiaited by EU, UN, US, China, etc, it is all meant to open an opportunity to people where they are.

      But the truth far behind the development aid programs: the main push factor is yet in the source of these exodus. Like Eritrea, it is human rights issue.

      Therefore, don’t bark on the unbarkable, twisted and conspired propaganda.

      Stop wasting your latin words.

      Gosh!

      tes

    • Amanuel

      Hi Gheteb you are really losing it now. There is a shoot to kill policy at the border and do you think there is tougher border control than that? You are quoting a redundant statement.

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Gheteb,
      I think the most accurate way to see the role of the CoI is as a pro bono legal service standing for the victims rather than as a court. It is not that CoI was not interested to visit and see Eritrea for itself. It was. When the work of the Commission launched, Sheila stated then it would be glad to and see if she was allowed to. It could have gotten some more materials to trim or vitalize the victims’ story but nothing that comes from the defendant wouldn’t alter the story at all.

      In fact, it is good for the defendant that the investigators didn’t get access to all those prisons, to the G15, to the container detentions, helpless youth trapped inside NS military and labor camps, all suffocated citizens under the heaviness of the regime. The report could have been a lot worse. And I think the regime was perfectly aware of that fact and that is why it denied the commission entry. I believe, it might have succeeded in making the report less sever.

      The funniest accusation supporters of the regime are throwing against the CoI is that it has never visited Eritrea. Yes, but it is because it was not allowed to visit Eritrea. It will be absurd to say the authors did come to Eritrea ( and that is because the alleged victimizer didn’t allow them to), the victim’s story should have been killed altogether. How bizarre is that?!

      The jury is out. The regime has still a chance to defend itself. Let it invite the media in. Let it open up its system to observers. Let it show the negative stories reported are false and the positive stories that it claims are there and not reported or under reported. It is a simple common sense thing you can not blanket with any amount of words without risking to sound balderdash.
      Hayat

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Hayat:
        I get amazed by the perverted ogic of this people, I mean PFDJ support about accusing COI for not visiting Eritrea as you said how will it help them? I think we must understand by now that we cannot win a debate with PFDJ by taking the high road, but you can win if you take their road.It was like that from their creation as EPLF.
        PFDJ created more prisoners than colleges, more bars than factories, more prostitutes than professionals, more human traffickers than goods import/export merchants, more orphans than families, created more alcohol than milk, more refuges than home coming diaspora, so much of the song “letay telaali nkid adnna”, it rathere “letay telaali nkid nsidetta”
        I also highly doubt their meeting the millenuim target, given that Eritreans flocks to the Sudan for basic medical services that cost more and the lack of basic medicine. That is highly suspect, I am not sure how the UN verfies these facts, if it is an honor system, it is a lie, if it is not the parameters and how they guage succcess must be flawed.

        • ghezaehagos

          Semere,

          In all probabilities, few people read the entire manuscript. I hope Sal’s report would help. Here is what the COIE wrote about the countries they asked to visit and the responses..

          Cooperation of other States
          “The Human Rights Council, in its resolution 26/24, requested all States to cooperate with the Commission.[1] The Commission sent requests to visit the following 24 countries with the view to conduct interviews with Eritrean refugees, migrants and other members of the diaspora: Algeria, Australia, Chad, Egypt, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Malta, Tunisia, Germany, Israel, Italy, Kenya, Kuwait, Morocco, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Sudan, Switzerland, Uganda, The United Arab
          Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Yemen. ”

          You can see most of them huge number of Eritrean refuges…

          The report continues, ” Australia, Chad, Djibouti, Germany, Ethiopia, Israel, Italy, Malta, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, the United Kingdom and the United States of America agreed to such a visit. The Commission thanks the Governments of these countries for their cooperation. On the basis of these acceptances and taking into consideration its budget and timeline, the Commission selected the countries it would visit according to the following criteria: 1) The size of the Eritrean population they host, and 2) The average dates of arrival of Eritreans in these countries, to ensure the
          entire period under investigation was covered. The Commission visited Switzerland, Italy, the
          United Kingdom, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Germany, Sweden and the United States of America between November 2014 and March 2015. The Commission regrets that Algeria, Qatar and Saudi Arabia officially declined its request and that the other States have not replied to its official letters.
          ” End Quote.

          Now to Eritrea….”On 24 October 2014, the Chair of the Commission sent a letter to the President of Eritrea, His Excellency Isaias Afwerki, to express the wish of the Commission to visit Eritrea. Having received no answer, on and other international organizations in Geneva, in which he reiterated the request of the Commission to visit the country. This correspondence was sent after the three Commissioners met the First Secretary and Chargé d’ affaires ad interim of the Permanent Mission of Eritrea on 19 November 2014, in Geneva. The Commission did not receive a reply. On 19 December 2014, the Chair of the Commission sent a letter to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Eritrea, His Excellency Osman Mohammed Saleh, through the Permanent Mission of Eritrea to the United Nations Office and other international organizations in Geneva, requesting
          for information about statements made by Eritrean officials in late 2014 about the decision of the Government of Eritrea to limit the duration of the national service of future conscripts to 18 months, as stipulated by Eritrean legislation.[1] In this correspondence, the Chair reiterated the desire of the
          Commission to visit Eritrea. Again, the Commission received no answer or information. On 19 May 2015, the Chair of the Commission sent another letter to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Eritrea to request a copy of the new Civil, Penal, Civil Procedure and Penal Procedure Codes that were promulgated on 11 May 2015. The Commission received no answer or information.” End Quote…
          Ghezae Hagos

          In the context of each of its
          visits to other States (detailed hereafter), the Commission also systematically
          requested to meet with Eritrean representatives in-country. The Commission,
          however, did not receive any reply to these requests.

          [1] Proclamation 82/1995.

          25 November 2014 the Chair of the Commission transmitted a second letter to the
          Permanent Mission of Eritrea to the United Nations Office

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ghezae,

            Thank you for briefing and bringing the request of the commission to visit Eritrea for those who do not read the whole report and to those pfdg lots who characterized the report as one sided report. If they truly believe there isn’t any human right abuse by the regime the easiest way is to challenge the regime to allow the commission to visit Eritrea and give free access to the commission to interview the political prisoners. They know what they are doing and and hence their refusal to allow the visit.
            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • Azieb Habtemariam

    Ethiopia is building its infrastructure. It is not talking about any kind of war on the border. Why is that the Eritrean government use the war to divert the mind of the people.

    • Naod Samiel

      @Azieb
      Except when Ethiopia’s leaders threaten Eritrea, while they keep large numbers of troops stationed near the border. It’s ignorant to dismiss the threat Ethiopia continues to pose to Eritrea.

      • Mizaan1

        …and the threat that Ethiopia poses on Eritrea is a justifiable reason for PFDJ to commit crimes against humanity???? Go figure.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Mizaan
          This is an excellent point and the YPFDJ retards made fools of themselves when they kept mentioning the threat by Ethio and Sheila made the same point. The goons have keep shooting their brains cell.

          • Naod Samiel

            @semereandom:disqus
            All you do in every comment is insult people. Stop it.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Naod:
            No, you are wrong, I do not insult people, that fabrication. But I admit I insult PFDJ supporters, criminals who murder or contribute to murder. Get your facts stratight

          • Naod Samiel

            Semere,
            You called YPFDJ members “retards” in your reply to Mizaan1 and in another reply to me you called Rahel and Filmon “ghetto kids.” These are ableist and classist insults. Don’t play dumb now that I’m calling you out on them.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Naod; Semere possesses incredibly big mouth and unbelievably small brain; that is void to any intellect. What is even mind bugling besides his stupidity; he makes bizarre sexual references. I don’t know what is up with this wild cat? Stay away.

        • Naod Samiel

          @Mizaan1:disqus
          Don’t put words in my mouth. You downplayed the threat Ethiopia poses to Eritrea and that’s wrong. You can make the argument that the government is exploiting our situation, but that doesn’t mean we don’t face real threats.

    • Peace!

      Dear Azieb,

      Ethiopia has soldiers on Eritrean soil. Is this something you are not aware of, or are you talking about different Ethiopia? I wish you could be a bit more creative on your sarcasim.

      Regards

    • dawit

      Dear Azieb,
      Because Ethiopia is occupying illegally Eritrean territory. Ethiopia has stationed over 300,000 soldiers at the border. How do you explain that?

      • Yoty Topy

        Hi Dawit,
        Do you think all the suffering will stop if Ethiopia withdrew from the contested areas tonight ?

        • dawit

          Hi Yoty,
          Why not? Is that not every one is talking about the reason for Eritrean leaving their country? The national service is imposed on the country because of the unsettled border dispute, and the national service has become a burden on every family in Eritrea and some are leaving the country because of the economic condition in the country, where a chunk of the country’s resource for development is tied up for defense purposes . Economics and military sanction on Eritrea is also imposed to supplement Ethiopian occupation of sovereign land of Ethiopia. Why do you think people flocked to Eritrea 1991-1998 a period before the border conflict?

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Dawit,
            Let’s say for the sake of argument that per your prediction the national service would be reversed following the withdrawal of Ethiopian forces, what about the other glaring issues such as releasing all political prisoners and opening up political space? Also, is Eritrea under economic sanctions?

          • dawit

            All Eritrean problems including what you listed are linked to the Ethiopian war of invasion.

      • Semere Andom

        This is an attack on Eritrean sovereignty and disrespect so Eritreans should free their land by force, the same way they did in 1991, this time every inch not partially, allowing TPMD to be stationed somewhere

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Azieb,

      There is nothing on that. it was fabricated war by PFDJ. the game is more than that. US PFDJ and Ethiopian government know very well. those who are talking about it are all those who don’t knew what EPLF leadership was playing against interest of Eritrean people long back. the secrets are not still out and none among them has interest to say it at this moment. but simple example is that EPLF and TPLF knew very well that Badme is an Eritrean land and TPLF has been defeated to in 1978 by ELF by force to leave that land. if the corrupted was really for peace and real freedom they could have saved it. CIA will not say a thing about all the agreements done between EPLF adn TPLF but the smart Meles has noted EPLF leadership is not trust worthy and has joined other Ethiopian parties to build his nation. the dirty group of Eritrea has been filtered now the remaining is PFDJ. PFDJ will continue to play the game as usual till the end breath while Ethiopian government will holding Badme. they know EPLF’s dream to control horn and the way out is to put them in corner. I mean they know each other very well. Thank God, now that Eritrean people have seen the true nature of PFDJ, things are different. Now, all those external problems are nothing and PFDJ’s long crimes has to be exposed.

      EPLF has killed and arrested all those who serve them in killing honest fighters so no true will be exposed. and it is the same CIA is killing slowly EPLF leadership as they have completed their mission. why not like Jehad movements who were created by US? because that is not urgent and the other side is not qualified to serve them.

      you said “Ethiopia is building its infrastructure. ” they will continue to build and Eritrean “government” will fail. for those who were looking for justice this is good equation.

      now we are struggling not to replace PFDJ with similar group. still a lot of untold histories. yet still the game goes on. the question remains, are we Eritreans going to be brave enough to have a free, wise government in place of PFDJ,

      • dawit

        Dear Kokhob,
        You joined EPRP which was destroyed by TPLF, then you moved to ELF and it was destroyed by EPLF. After joining one losing organization after another, you don’t have any. So now you are left with all kinds of conspiracy theories. Why don’t you join PFDJ and retire. Believe me there will not be any political force that will replace PFDJ in Eritrea, in the immediate future.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Dawitom,
          People like me never change their principle at that a principle respected by all people. Now, what makes us always great is we never see temporary victories we have long breath. and at the best thing that we are proud is we are fast to see corrupted once. Love it or not PFDJ will end not by US or Ethiopians but by Eritrean people those who were not understanding us.

      • T. Kifle

        Kokhob Selam,

        ELF “defeated” TPLF is a total fabrication (well, to use IA’s words).

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear T,Kifle,
          do you want to tell me it is fabricated when I was there my self? In fact ELF make a big mistake for not hearing us in destroying to the end.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            You might have been anywhere. But if you tell me ELF “defeated” TPLF, you are no better than anyone who make up “facts” to fit their narratives. What best describes ELF’s acts is they did what EPLF exactly did in 1998. ELF killed militia men and Kifli-hizbi’s, unsuspecting, who were deputed to the area. And that was one reason(among the myriads of other reasons) that your ELF tasted the fire it helped create.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear T,Kifle,
            you know what you are saying? are you telling me I have killed the militia ….My friend ELF has a lot of mistakes including supporting that group and watching (not interfering when TPLF was destroying the poor EPRP who was not ready and who runs from Derg ).

            why are you forcing me to say all the crimes done by TPLF at this moment? the job done by TPLF and EPLF under CIA is still to be exposed…please wait for some time. now it is not important.

          • T. Kifle

            Please go ahead,

            You have nothing to add to the soup. You have no idea what EPRP and ELF did to the people of Tigray and that of TPLF.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear T.Kfle,
            No, I am not ready for now. disturbing what is going on now is not for my advantage. I have a lot to do here in Eritrea. Let Ethiopians do their home work. at this moment I wish they will reconcile their problem with their own old parties. My job now is about my nation. the illegal criminal group in my nation is still on power. solving you own nations problem is the first homework.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Now, the wise Kokhob overtook. Gual neger doesn’t help. Go ahead with your fighting against the monster out there

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear T,Kfle,

            it is on the way someone remind me and say it. first thing first and important/emergency for me is killing the idea of PFDJ from my land.

          • sara

            Dear Kokhob
            where do you want to run, defend the ELF.. why say first -second, deal with it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sara,

            who told you warriors don’t run? when it is not for the advantage of your people, even if it true you can just jump and leave it for history. do you think all those friends who regret will accept what crimes they have committed in the past and say it openly ? so why argue with them today when the democratic nation is months away? why lose them by reminding the past? Lol.

            Thanks God, and thanks to PFDJ it has burned his own body and EPLF is no more there and that lazy ELF is scattered now because they didn’t hear our voice. the end result of both is PFDJ. and the film is almost over. History is only History. we are in new era.

          • sara

            Dear kokhob
            you are now trying to downplay your stand by bringing history and story, you said ELF defeated
            TPLF , and ato kifle said it didn’t, then why do you say it if you are not sure or if you want history to
            be the judge . does the same apply to all the issues you always bring about EPLF AND PFDJ, or its only valid when it comes to TPLF and EPRDF.
            take a stand and tell it as you know/understand it and i am sure mr kifle will not take is as offensive as you are saying what you know, assuming you were in ELF the mother all eritrean fronts including
            EPLF/PFDJ..
            Ramadan kareem

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sarana, Ramadan Mubarek,.

            I can see your spacial quality … you never forget what some one wrote here. ended ELF is for everyone. that is what I said and none of us can deny it including that crazy man and his group.

            Did I or Kifle talk about EPRDF? why you put here EPRF? you need to change your style that will not work in 2015 . EPRDF is not TPLF but TPLF might be somewhere inside. EPRDF, that is the difference between EPLF and TPLF. TPLF leadership under Mele( RIP) wise to accept TPLF alone don’t represent Ethiopia and go for united Ethiopia. our stupid guys went more narrow and create PFDJ. PFDJ is the dirtiest part of EPLF and EPRDF is the sum of clean TPLF and other Ethiopian parties. Lol……I am enjoying it…Lol,

            Sara, why do want me to remember the past when TPLF’s crazy side is already in prison? Let those guys work for their lovely country. and let me think about my own proble

          • Peace!

            Dear Sara,

            See that’s the problem people are forty years behind and need to catch up first in order to deal with today’s problems; otherwise, old ideas and grudges are not going to defeat PFDJ. “If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything.” MX

            Regards

          • selam

            Dear T.kifle
            It is not new that you deny the reality. You may try to debate k.s but your points are just false and nonexistent.

          • T. Kifle

            Hey Selam

            Which reality did I deny? What is the false and non-existent?

          • selam

            Dear T.kifle
            To make it short , which reality do you really accep t is the easy quetion for me. ELF liberated Badme longctime befor even any EPLF know. Meles cheated 80, 000 Eritreans on day light. I can go on to remained but you have this deep rooted rejection of truth, truth.

          • Habte

            Dear Selam
            You are talking about something you don’t know , once the great Saleh JG gave you a wise advise “awhilli”

  • Azieb Habtemariam

    I would like those two Government supporters to live in Eritrea. I now a story where a young man escaped and cross border. government asked the family to pay 50,000 naqfa. They did not have that kind of money. For exchange the father had to go to prison. he was not home. his 14 year old girl was taken to prison, until the father showed up and taken to prison. Kudos to you Sheila.

  • Berhe Y

    Selam Mulugeta,

    By that logic if Ethiopia continues to occupy bad me for another 50 years (what’s 50, we already went through 15), do you mean the youth will be there for tray long and the suffering to continue.

    Did the forget, according to them “Ethiopia, UN, U.S.” are our enemies and they wait for the good WILL of the enemy so the can accord their OWN people a dignified life.

    Why would “Ethiopia the enemy” leave, if its presence is making you the most hated government by your own people.

    Sebut entekonkom bHauli zetewSewom, man up remove them by force.

    Berhe Y.

    • teweldino

      Hi Berhe,

      “ሓሰኻ ደንበ ኣብ ዝለምለመሉ
      ሕማቅ ኣብ ዝፈረሓሉ” ክበሃል ኣይሰማዕካን ዲኻ፧

  • Nitricc

    What amazes me is he knew back then the West will challenge him and not easy ride. Amazing! That is what they are doing. They are not going to let Eritrea be the good example of Africa.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHoCRIVUkAAmXwK.jpg

    • tes

      Dear Nitricc,

      Yes he knew he will be a disgusting leader. He knew yes he even didn’t want to be remembered as a dictator (interview after independence in Ethiopia) and he knew yes he will be an isolated junta.

      What he failed to knew is that he didn’t know how to engage with what ever idea he had to make it acceptable by the others. He imagined that the world will follow him.

      Anyway, here I will present for you your damn crap writer, weyzero kichin Sophia gele mele. She couldn’t even write exhaustive pages as she used to be.

      http://www.tesfanews.net/eritrea-an-orchestrated-media-blitz-what-gives/

      tes

    • Hayat Adem

      Nitricc,
      This is a general statement every African leader would have said it for any general purpose. Saying that, I really doubt the authencity of the claim. Isaias would never say that in 1979. Here he is talking about an independent country. 1979 is, my boy, way before the time Isaias was negotiating with Mengistu for the return of federation with help of GDR, not even full independence.

      • selam

        Dear Hayat
        Do you have any prove that EPLF or ELF negotiated with the murderer dergi to federation ? Does Ghebru asrat told you that ? I beg you not to go far to our history with out prove.

        • Hayat Adem

          Selam,
          antti Gebru Asrat zebil Himam do Hizkii eiu? Do you have a crush with this 60 years old guy? I wish they deport him to Eritrea and see how people like you and Filmon treat this guy. That was for teasing. I don’t hate him that much. Now to your question.
          Yes, I have a “prove” not on ELF but EPLF. Mahmuday, please stay off line, stay on vacation. The least thing I want to do right now is argue with you about this history. This is a forced.
          Do you remember the Wilson Center declassified documents Saay posted us the link of access for just a couple of moths ago? Both EPLF and Derg ACCEPTED a four point proposal written by Soviets, forwarded by GDR? The 2nd and 4th points talk about “regional autonomy for Eritrea in the framework of the Ethiopian state”.

          • Abi

            Hey Hayat
            Are you talking about the negotiations in Nairobi ?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Abi,
            The talks were happening in GDR but the Soviets were directly involved.

          • Asmerom
          • selam

            Thus the second meeting undermined all attempts by the representatives of the EPLF to break off all political contacts and negotiations with the Provisional Military Administrative Council of Ethiopia [as they had previously intended to do].

            On 23 March 1978, the second meeting between the representatives to the Provisional Military Administrative Council of Socialist Ethiopia and the Eritrean Liberation Front took place. Upon request by the Politburo of the CC of the SED, Comrade Hermann Axen, member of the Politburo and CC secretary, participated in the talks.

            [Berhanu Bayeh and Aforki declared again their desire to terminate the bloodshed and to do everything to solve the Eritrean problem by peaceful means.]

            Despite this declaration made by both negotiators, the political negotiations showed that the positions on both sides had become stiffer.

            Dear asmerom

            The representative of the Provisional Military Administrative Council was inclined to favor a predominantly military solution of the Eritrean problem. They did not make any concrete or constructive proposals for a peaceful and political solution although Comrade Werner Lamberz had agreed with Mengistu Haile Mariam on working papers in December 1977. Do you know wha4 is working papers ?….. just a question to wise man from south.

            The attitude of the representatives of the Eritrean Liberation Movement illustrated, on the other hand that, under the pressure by the leadership of the Sudan and the Arab reaction, there has been a strengthening of nationalist, openly separatist forces within the Eritrean movements, especially by means of the coordination between the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front and the Eritrean Liberation Front (Revolutionary Council). 

            The leader of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, Aforki, presented the demand for a separate Eritrean state in even harsher terms. Only after long sharp discussion was he willing to agree to this second meeting and to the further examination of the proposals made by the SED. Thus it was possible to hold the second meeting. In the course of the meeting, the representatives of the Ethiopian leadership and the EPLF reiterated their known positions.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,

            I hope this omission is not one of your “systematic mistakes” you knowingly make as you told us today. But keep reading the same document and a couple of lines down, you will find the following:
            BEGIN
            In the course of the meeting, the representatives of the Ethiopian leadership and the EPLF reiterated their known positions. They accepted the SED proposal – this proposal was, as is well known, agreed to by the CC of the CPSU – to put the following four points before the Provisional Military Administrative Council and the Central Committee of the EPLF as recommendations for a settlement:

            1. Both sides confirm their resolve to stop the bloodshed immediately and bring about a political solution.

            2. The Provisional Military Administrative Council of Ethiopia will make a public declaration expressing its concrete proposals for the implementation of regional autonomy for Eritrea in the framework of the Ethiopian state and under inclusion of all willing positive forces in Eritrea. The Central Committee of the EPLF recognizes the achievements of the Ethiopian Revolution and declares itself ready for cooperation in the interest of implementation of regional autonomy.

            3. Revolutionary Ethiopia’s secure access to the Red Sea must be guaranteed by its uninterrupted access lines and its control over Asmara and the ports of Massawa and Assab.

            4. Both sides form a common commission for the purpose of implementing the above points and all other steps for the security of the Revolution in Ethiopia and regional autonomy in Eritrea.

            END

            Now pay attention to the “They accepted the SED proposal” and the proposal, pay attention to number 2 and number 4. And get back to me after.

            Hayat

          • selam

            Dear Hayat
            I thought you are a muslim , would it be appropriate to accuse me love this killer a lair which is above 60 years old ? I thought your name is a muslim name which some how related. Romodan started to day 18 june. Well i already know you are not a muslim neither Eritrean. I was teasing ……

            Yes i saw it but i also saw a document which stated weyane did not have a counting election on top of that they have committed crimes like in the link.
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=StdMFUcyRHc

            I should challenge you and saay to show us the documents that EPLF negotiations for federation , please post it here , do not run after saay post now.There is no one sentence EPLF negotiated for federation in that link nore do they accepted any of that kind memorandum. I can not imagine you hayat will stand infront of me on USSR initiated peace deal between EPLF and murderer in 1979. The hard fight 1977 that was even not to the point of discussions. Now stop your bogus claim and do the right thing and that should be what…

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            every time you try to hide you are exposed more. the better part of EPLF is dead. now we have the criminal group named himself PFDJ. and this is internal problem, stop giving reasons and clean PFDJ. we can’t talk about others now and it is not our concern. take stand please, don’t talk about Ethiopia while you are under PFDJ, shame on you.Leave Ethiopians do their job.

          • selam

            Dear Hayat
            Lets put this way , you have tye tail that differentiate you from the others and that is , tail made in south. I do not want to disappoint the deleter again.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            Well, you have nothing else to say. Caught miniskirt up!

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            Do you think you have things to say too, is that what you told to yourself when you see meles picture? You are the list person to say about Eritrea , jus go on with your weyane defence , every one knows you are here for things that does not matter urgently to our cause. You are here to plant your evil ideas, Go on with that. You know you have been rejected by every one except from south who love to dine and wine with Ghebru and bluff about meles komal. Now move on , reload what you have been told. I am here to defend what i believe is mine , you are here to defend the very few party you love.

      • dawit

        Dear Hayat,

        Can those videos, indicate Tegadali Isaias vision in 1970s.? How far is removed his vision as PIA. Why do you hate him so much the man who gave his life to the people of Horn of Africa struggle?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O12tdvyPOyY

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gt1bBuiQ4vM

        • SA

          Dawit,

          This is an excerpt of what he said from the two videos:

          ““We should give [our people] a prosperous and tranquil life.
          We must build a society that is free from exploitation of men by men and
          independent of foreign aid. ….Our only and ultimate purpose is to
          establish a free and sovereign Eritrea in which our people will live with
          equality and justice. ”

          IA has managed to accomplish the opposite of that vision. If a husband promises to love his wife but ends up abusing his wife, what good is the husband’s promise?

          SA

          • Nitricc

            Obviously you don’t have a freaking idea the cost of ” independent of foreign aid” if an idea and concept is over your head; don’t make a full out your self. I doubt you understand the magnitude of the concept.

          • SA

            Nitricc,

            The vast majority of the people I grew up with and I went to college with in Eritrea are outside Eritrea. They are scattered all over the world, and support their families in Eritrea and thereby sustain the Eritrean economy. Anyways, you are the last person to lecture me about the “cost of independent of foreign aid” because if I were to go back to Eritrea, I would not find most of the people I grew up with.

            You still believe this notion of being independent of foreign aid? Why? Because this president said so….

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEoyqrZeW0

          • Nitricc

            SA I will give you the benefit the doubt and I will write you my take. For now I am unable to that. Please give me a few days. But the reason there is no one in Eritrea the people you go to school with and your friends is the price of that very concept; the concept of free. How dare an African country refused an order from her master? How dare an African country to refuse aid from the masters? When I said to you that I doubt you understand the magnitude of the situation? I meant it. Again we will talk but in the mean time please think about it.

          • dawit

            SA,

            It is not from luck of trying and effort in his part, but because of jealous neighbors, who did not want to see the family live in peace. If that Eritrean family was left to mind its own affair, instead the constant interference by those jealous neighbors, and the international world the UN and its affiliates, the neighborhood would have prosper. Mind you in 1960s, South Korea was poorer country than Ethiopia, 50 years letter where do you find the two nations. The Horn of Africa it is the most poverty stricken region of the world. In Amharic there is a saying “ኣበሻ ምቀኛ፡ ምቀኛ የራሱ መጋኛ። I think that explain the picture. Ethiopia is dragging the whole neighborhood into the toilet.

          • SA

            Dawit,

            You how South Korea went from poverty to prosperity in 50 years. I would like to remind you that South Korea’s neighbor is North Korea, arguably the worse regime in the world. But North Korea did not prevent South Korea from developing its economy. Do not you think that it is the failure of the leadership in Eritrea that is responsible for Eritrea’s tragic state? If our leaders had been wise and competent, no adverse circumstances or hostile neighbors would have prevented us from developing our country.

            SA

          • dawit

            SA,
            Even North Korea is by far developed than Ethiopia, with very little resource it is one of the world Nuclear Power in the world within the same period, struggling under UN and US Economic and Military blockade. Yes N. Korea is the by far respected in the world than your Ethiopia, always begging for every thing. There is nothing wrong with Eritrean leadership, it is the same leadership that lead Eritreans through independence struggle. Please do not be a parrot ‘North Korea worse regime in the world’. Have you been there? Have you been to Cuba? Countries like Eritrea demonized by the Western world and UN.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawit,

            do you consider that as development? how much the people of North Korea are happy living in peace. those dictators keep challenging while they don’t care about their people. isn’t shame to see people suffering and keep talking about US. Dawit, do you want to free the world from US while you don’t have water to drink ?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi KS:.
            You do not get it, in the PFDJ world development is starvation, literally searching rice in the dirt like chickens , development to dawit is slave labor, it is a compliment to be ruled by one family. I bet that small dawit will bring the Bushes, the Clintons and Roosoverts as an example to say that it is OK .To petit dawit, Gaddaffi and NK are mentors on their shoulders he stands. T little dawit, it is OK to build status for Pushkin and when one suggest honorary Eri citizenship for Sheila he gets unhinged. To dawit the 5000 feeling Eritrea are economic migrants, but then he tells you that Eri is doing good in economic. He says that the Eri people who were fleeing Dergi were political refugees, yet under Dergi our country was doing bad economically. Dr, Drew, your Per Bono services are needed

          • dawit

            Dear Kokhobai
            No, I live in US and drink distilled water 100% pure!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawit,
            you have answered my question perfectly. you are in US and you don’t care about the people inside Eritrea. no wonder all selfish once are supporters of PFDJ.

          • dawit

            Dear Kokhobai’
            I am glad I answered you question perfectly. Yes I am in US and I do care about the people inside Eritrea, that is why I pay 2% tax, so that they will get water to drink. Now on the selfishness I am a student of Adams Smith. I bought my IPhone and Jordan, before I paid my 2%.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawit

            2% ? if you are loyal you should pay your life for them. why are you in US?

            The truth is Eritrea is worth millions of Dollars and even the soul. but what I mean is Eritrea not PFDJ. by paying 2% to PFDJ ask your self and you will find out that your hands are not free over the death of those innocent Erireans by ISIS. if you didn’t pay 2% to PFDJ couldn’t survive,

          • dawit

            Good Day Kokhobai,
            Do you really think PFDJ survive because of my 2% tax? I think that is the common misconception people who oppose Eritrean government have. EPLF was running a government when it was in the trenches of Sahel, it run schools, underground hospitals, agricultural development projects, animal health etc. while liberating the country. Therefore what ever sanction put on PFDJ government it will survive.
            Why I am in US? To tell you the truth, I don’t know and this is one question people here frequently ask me when I tell them where I came from. But I think my ancestors through out history have been nomads, who followed their cattle, and their cattle followed the green grass. I guess my nomadic gene may be responsible why I ended up in U.S. following the green grass. As a child I had no dream to live in US or anywhere else except the village where I was born. But then life takes you from one place to the next and you end up somewhere, where you will die.. The path you take in the journey of life differ, while looking for the green grass, some are safe and others are dangerous full of wild animals which could end your life short. I don’t believe my 2% has any thing to do with death of the people by ISIS. I will say, they simply took the wrong path, that lead them to death trap. They all acted on their own self interest, so ultimately they are responsible for their lives.
            You can blame me for many things in life, call me selfish etc. but not for the death of people who charted their own life and took the wrong turn to end their lives short. For many of our citizens, they have greater chance of surviving foraging the dry grass at home and waited for the rainy season to come, than taking a dangerous route, across deserts and rough seas full of wild animals to reach the green grass somewhere..
            Cheers

          • LittleVoice

            DAWIT
            you are makingan idiot out of yourself . Now u r defending N korea? Really?

          • dawit

            Little Voice,
            What do you expect? Am I not from the country of the ‘North Korea of Africa’?
            Cheers

          • SA

            Dawit,
            – I thought we were talking about Eritrea. You seem to be obsessed with Ethiopia.
            -You could not be more wrong in claiming that Eritrea has “the same leadership that lead Eritreans through independence struggle.” You probably already knows this, but it needs to be underlined that only IA and Alamin are the only current PFDJ leaders out of the original 12 founders of EPLF. And out of the first founding members of the secret EPRP, only IA and Sebhat are in government leadership positions. EPLF may have been a strong organization in the past, but many of the capable and dedicated leaders who made it great are either dead, imprisoned, frozen, or exiled.
            – Even IA would not himself claim that “there is nothing wrong with Eritrean leadership.” In his most recent Independence speech, I read that IA talked about corruption in his government. Our people living in Eritrea would find your claim about the leadership bizarre.
            – Your comment about “N. Korea being far more respected in the world than Ethiopia” is demonstrably false. It may be hard to convince you otherwise since you are a guy who believes that “there is nothing wrong with Eritrean leadership.”

            SA

        • Semere Andom

          dawit:
          everything about your thinking is wired backwards and with every comment as we say in my only country of Eritrea yoo go kem shinti gemel ndihrit
          He said he wanted to build society free from one man exploiting an other man, he built the very anti-thesis of that.
          He talks of self reliance and he built a society that relies on foreign aid to survive but it is too ashamed to face it.
          He preserved his life and he took the lives of thousands of people including underage kids
          He said he was fighting for liberty and he built a country of bondages nicked named North Korea of Africa. He built the brain shackled the brains of many including your excellency. He is presiding over a nation that is an epitome of anxiety and poverty while he said in this clip he want to build tranquility and prosperity. Dave you need to go to diction clinic to clarify the blurring meaning of the vocabulary before your confuse and delude yourself further into the deep abyss of darks.
          You are talking about vision but the 5000 month who escape the detention called Eritrea see blindness and myopia

          • Nitricc

            This topic you should have Ommited. You know nothing about free of aid and self reliance and what it means. After all you live in Canada where you are Paid harassing innocent Eritreans. All you got is a big mouth and foolish takes. I suggest you stay away from this topic.

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Protozoa:
            Do not make fool of your self talking a bout Canada, a country you have no clue about even though you live in a similar country.

          • Nitricc

            Are you trying to impress your tigryan lady; you cousin Hayat? Where did you learn that word; in Sudan when you were 13? Lol sorry you are to Stupid for my test. Your function on this forum is well defined; stay by your computer and when ever Hayat is posting an article, be the first one to respond. So far you have hold the record and keep it that way. You are worthless.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi dawit,
          Nothing personal. The things that made me hate him are the same reasons that are making the 5000 Eritreans flee every month. When are you going to join me?

          • dawit

            Hi Hayat,

            The 5000 Eritreans leave Eritrea, because of economic reason that have made it difficult because of Ethiopia’s occupation of Eritrean territory which you support. They are not leaving because they hate him in fact they love him. Watch and enjoy the video Eritrean youth dancing with PIA. Most of the 5000 will join the kebero party as soon as the settle with their papers of asylum. Watch Eritreans in Europe shake Geneva on June 22.
            I will join you when you and your friend Shiela, stop meddling in Eritrea’s internal matter.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQ0zV-nFZZQ

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qasgeFp3kW0

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            Can you please remove this offensive links that is infesting this website

          • dawit

            Censorship? No. Greetings without the proper bow? No. Did not kneeled down enough to touch the floor?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Netricay,
      you will be amazed and continue to wonder when you find out that he was their agent then. He was the hunter to kill those who argue American imperialism. But honestly, he is cleaver and has played nicely till recent years.

  • selam

    Dear susan
    I have been there and i was one of the people she used to beg for my bann in awate.com by hiring some one who could not understand her evil idea. She never was available when every one was commenting about the opposition and on how they could join and form a good force to challenge PFDJ. She didnnot drop any comment, but when you mention weyane cronies and their leaders she will come swinging piled with more words to trash even our history. She has no postive wish for any one , she thinks to any disadvantage of the word Eritrea. I have gone back and collected all her comments and find zero good will to the nation called Eritrea. I oppose PFDJ teeth to nail but i can never support her idea. I hope every justice seeker challenge her , and remaind all of us that the south old idea is still alive and we need to crush them all at any level possible.

    • Hayat Adem

      Selam,
      “I have been there and i was one of the people she used to beg for my bann in awate.com”

      When did I ever begged for you to be banned from awate.com? How and why did you find it necessary to accuse me of asking that you be banned? I don’t why I get confused by your duality. My imagination of you is sometimes an innocently curious young girl trying to understand the truth not by learning but more of by teaching; at othertimes you sound like a the people who were debating Saleh with too much energy but a skin-deep knowledge.

      • selam

        Dear Hayat
        You remeber what you said and why you said , i mean apart from your smear , i intend to forget every thing. My age should not be the case for you either. I can quarentee you even SJ will not dare to question my knowledge about Eritrea if incase we both meet face to face, Honest or systematic mistake should not fool you either. I come to awate.com not to learn but to understand people. I comment not to educate people , i come to crush evil ideas when ever they rise . I leave no stone untouched unless i find some one less. The reason i keep your comments is only due to your constant smear of Eritrea and its history. The reason i do not believe you have to do every thing with your consistency of the ideas you bring. Now forget about the duality , mizaan , tes , semer all of them have tried , it is not a winning strategy. If i want i can write 465 words in one comment with a very good spell and idioms. You may remember it was me who told you how many words you have wrote in one comment. Accept the case against you is real and you have no way to downsize it now. A paid commenter could not even do that. One question why you keep defending weyane ?

        • Hayat Adem

          Selam,
          “Honest or systematic mistake should not fool you either.”

          Did you just say that? Why systematic mistake? Why would you want to put up mistakes deliberately? Why? For what end? Are you playing a mission here?

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            You find my line idiot right ? I was actually refering to you , do you remeber on and off debate about the General death and the newtonanian , I have told him i could support hayat military intervention if the Eritrean people believe their first Enemy is PFDJ not weyane , but in reality i do not support any military solution to any thing in Eritrea. Mission what mission , i do not really say i am a muslim and a women , who deny the crime of weyane . I have told you before all about me and you was the first to ask . Yet again i am here with your constant comment guarding weyane ezom serekti , belaeti klite xehli.

        • Olana

          Dear Selam

          The more I read you the more I find you more confused. And it seems you are confused with what to choose to side. Sometimes your comments declare you are against PFDJ and sometimes you support PFDJ indirectly when you unreasonably disagree with the opposition who want to end Eritrean predicaments by working with the Ethiopians. Do you know that any government in Eritrea who is not willing to work with Ethiopia will not have a peaceful country? The same is true with Ethiopia. It is not sin to seek support from a foreign government for your country’s advantage. I do not understand you whenever you insulted PMMZ. If you know he is not an Eritrean, if you know he was Ethiopian PM, if you know he was a PM to defend Ethiopia Interest, you should not insult him rather challenge his policies towards Eritrea clearly. I have never read you raising any of his idea and challenge it with a mature argument. Echoing Chenawi and Komal will not solve your problems unless you want to say otherwise. What logic is that to mix Meles and Gebru, two incompatible politicians? BTW why you get nervous and mad whenever Weyane is mentioned by the commentators?
          Unlike you, wise people like Hayat and others in this forum understands the politics of this region very well and try to side with and get as much help as they can from the less evil(to make you Happy) countries. I said it in the past and I am saying it now, let’s stop living in the past and distorting facts as it will be tit for tat and it will not help either of us (Ethiopians and Eritreans). I am sure many of the anti-PFDJ in this forum do not deny the atrocities made against the Eritrean and Ethiopian peoples by the Ethiopian regimes. But they know it happened in the past and it will not
          help to solve the problem we are facing today. So please don’t be like Nitricc and Ghateb who
          are supporters of the dictator and insensitive to the suffering of their people.

          • selam

            Dear Olana
            I can say more about your known way of comments, lets make it short.
            First i do not feel i am debating with Eritrean , the reason i say is that hayat continously regard her intention on the bag of weyane. Second i am not some one a very limited amount of weyane money can buy my believe about Eritrea. Do not mind the ESHI GOYTAYE they are the reason we find in a very narrow way . We could have dissolved PFDJ long time ago , you why we could not, Eshi goytaye tend to dismiss our history our identity , our blood. You may think Tigrawot already move on and they are crushing ethiopian money to their bank, well here is the difference sir , TPLF fought for a KILIL in ethiopia ELF , EPLF fought for a country, you see different paradigm. Now lets come back to you hallow shallow thinking , on why i did not buy every thing on the political propaganda , well i am not a politician and i do not see my life hanging for a weyane dime either. Forget about Eritreans in Ethiopia , they are using it as a passing line not as a fighting degen .
            To say more on my defence , i am a private person who think Eritrean identity is getting sold for cheap to the cheapest human being alive, so do i say no more. You see i click to awate.com for 5 years but i started to comment just may be month due to some people i know are just getting crazy.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi All:

    Eritrea is talking about human trafficking at the AU submit, Shait reported that Eritrea’s elucidated steadfastly to foil the human trafficking scourge.

    No one can miss the iron here, but for me the continent is also looking and sounding floosh as it was unable to stop the human trafficking crime. I know, human trafficking is global problem, but the one happening in our region is so brazen that it is easy to stop, but the issue is some government like PFDJ are human traffickers themselves

    So again to add to the themes we discussed about ICC the continent and its people must stop moaning about the ICC that has laws and is conducted in civilized Europe and look inward by purging dictators, protecting people and implementing rule of law to lift their people from the slavery the dictators have condemned them.

    Blaming the colonization that ended long time ago for eternity is dodging responsibility and this habit will haunt the continent that is ravaged with HIV, human trafficking, crimes against humanity.

    When your hazard the desert and the sea to reach the shores of Europe to evade repression and better life, respect, acknowledge your host country’s humanitarian kindness. Learn from their experience and take it back home and do the same in all facets of life: freedom, technology, rule of law

    http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news/20012-at-the-au-summit-eritrea-urges-for-concrete-actions-to-combat-human-trafficking-

  • Mizaan1

    Dear all,

    This was just embarrassing and downright un-watchable. You have two young Eritreans who likely grew up in the West and another Eritrean who is much older and only been here 15 years or so and he sounded much more open minded and diplomatic. He was addressing the two kids with their first names. I was very impressed with Saleh Johar in that regard. By his writings here, I erroneously envisioned a somewhat bombastic guy but I am happy to learn that I was completely wrong.

    Who sent those kids to debate on Al Jazeera? Does Yemane Monkey know about this? Or those two are the best they could find? The one thing that was striking was the threatening tone the YPFDJ kids were using. They get it right down from their masters. They must have attended lots of wohayo and shimagle baalat meetings. I was really embarrassed. But at least SJ was there to balance the tone and hopefully the viewers do not see those two kids as a prototypical Eritrean because that is far from the truth. They could have come straight from a PFDJ party.

    Needless to say, I wish SJ simply stated that we have well documented cases of arbitrary arrests, disappearances, persecutions, executions, harassment, and what have you by this regime. Simply saying, ‘I wasn’t surprised by the UN report…’ understates the graveness of the situation. He could have said, none of the findings of the UN report is debatable among fair minded Eritreans. Every Eritrean knows about these crimes against humanity because there is virtually no family that hasn’t been affected by it but even thinking differently in your head in Eritrea could send you to Ela Ero so Eritreans live with this for fear of extremely serious repercussions to themselves or to their families. SJ could have stated that the UN report’s theme word ‘fear’ should have been replaced by ‘extreme fear.’

    But overall, SJ represented us well enough.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Sami:
    The moderator was little bit inexperienced, although she asked right question from both sides of the debate, she has this intuition problem that the seasoned moderators/anchors have and it is to instinctively tell when to interrupt a speaker, Saleh and Sheila were both interrupted even if they were on message and on topic. The YPFDJ gangsters were also interrupted but mostly when they were irrelevant

    • selam

      Dear semere
      The moderator is beyond your reach of qualification, she is well experienced , actually she is the chief of that program. You have no idea how smart she is. You to want blame , blame the match , unless just do not try to bring your conference experience on such thing.

      • Semere Andom

        Selamina Shikornina Asmarino;
        No she is not beyond my reach, I am charming 🙂
        Kidding Ok.
        seriously though, I did not say she was not qualified, but you could not you see that she was interrupting all at the wrong time?

        • selam

          Dear semere
          The quests filmon and rahel was talking in the middle of the important things , she can not be blamed for stoping a shouting match. While saleh was talking filmon was hitting the microphone, so may be she invited wrong people. Have you seen BBC Sunday where these old journalist from new york times, lemonde france, and Guardian , talk , it is just the guests problem. If she did not stop them , her time will burn out, time , time. Please wish to have more like.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Sem,
      And it was inappropriate to count Sheila as one of the rest. She is a mandated authority and internationally recognized neutrally tasked personality. The other point is the report is about victims and victimizer. The report must start and end with the victim’s story. The victimizer has a chance to refute and defend itself as the story unfolds. The victimizer has no business to stop it before it is told and reported. The report is the story of the plaintiff, the defendant has to speak for himself as of.

  • selam

    Dear Forumers
    The Aljazeera debate was good in its merit , we need more of that . We need the voice to hear to each side and the people should judge the out come . I myself would vote for saleh but it will make no sense beating the same drum . We should be open to debate . I will not wage my ill to the like of rahel , filmon what ever they are. I am satisfied with saleh and what the other side said is given to people . We should be happy that YPFDJ are coming to debate , let them come and the majority will listen to them , because even their attendance is good we have been in dark for so long. Let one from their high sparrow come and debate . But , but these YPFDJ should be debated with people on equal caliber so people like saleh can debate on their match. Any one can say this and that but the fact must be stated correctly with out cooking expired egg. Both side has the time and they should debate point by point . So many people in this forume are saying too much for to little on the other side , so what is the point then. Discussions are for people to listen and make their points based on the reality.Trashing your political opponents from the same country is not a winning strategy it is not helpful either , i mean if the goal is to win over the majority. So many people like semere and other from south are saying things that can not dare to say on TV , you know
    why ? Because they will lose and they do not have the courage nor the merit to repeat what they say here. I am still thankful for the debate happened but i urge saleh to see his opposite side debaters . We Eritreans are not smart in politics and we never will unless we take one step back and know debate is for the public to see not for the debaters . If people really thinknit is unwise to debate , their solution is just arms but Eritrean issues are not going to be solved by bullets. Any one who think bullets are the solution should not comment here , they have no right to destroy the willingness of people who truly believe on their hard work of so many years for democracy.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All
    For you people raining at the two brave young people; well, you should be more concern; the system that you declaring it dead is being defended by the youth. They defended what they believed in; what is the problem?
    Refugees do say what ever to get an asylum; that is the fact and to compile that kind of accusation just from interviewing some refugee is nothing but irresponsible and politically charged slander. The host keeps asking what the root cause is for the refugee to leave their country; well, I think this discussion shades honest and timely answer for it. .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-FGEsswLE

    • Bayan Nagash

      Selam Nitricc,
      Thanks for sharing the clip. Listening to the host calling srAt Hgdef President as “Isis” Afewerki was enough for me to appreciate the link you sent. If you want to give it a listen go to the one minute and 40 second mark – what an apt name Isis Afewerki, make that ISIS Afewerki. Let me get back to the rest if this lady Saba has a rationale that one could make sense of.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi All:
      Two foreigners and a PFDJ lackey talking about Eritrea, a country they have no clue about.
      But the funniest thing when the Mountain address himself as Eritreans.
      They needed a member of the opposition to destroy their stupid assertion.
      Thomas Mountain just became Nitricc when he said that “our young are leaving the country to make more money”
      The word travesty has new appeal to PFDJites, the world scheme is in danger to be frozen, travesty is the new blood.
      How about endeavor, it steal appeals, until new blood is found when the youth sign that regret form.
      In a scheme of travesty to hinder all the endeavors to build the dams and roads will be foiled steadfastly.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Sem,
        Is Thosmas Eritrean? He keeps on referring to “we, our,” when speaking of Eritrea and Eritreans.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Hayat:
          He is not, but who knows he may have purchased Eritrean citizen from PFDJ. This guys has been writing pro PFDJ for over a decade now.
          EPLF used to say Eritreanism is not by birth, it is by deeds

        • Pass the salt

          Hayat,
          Are you sure Thomas says “we” refering to us even at the expense of his own country, America? Let’s put that to test. Roll the tape to 4:20
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XbVqSmSuaxA

  • Bayan Nagash

    Dear All,

    All throughout the stream, I couldn’t fathom why the two hosts decided to team up this group dynamic that was too jarring and too painful to watch. For visceral reasons I did away with the visual and decided to listen to the audio instead – Unfortunately, it didn’t lessen the pain. Two seasoned individuals are trying to have a conversation, but the interruption by these two – from the Amen Corner (AC) – was so incessant, it made for a painful audio stream. These two, as SGJ correctly gave it a
    diagnosis, the AC duo were reading a script that was given to them, were told to simply
    disrupt the conversation; and in some convoluted way they thought if the subject was about oranges and they spoke of onions, they would somehow come out on the other end as winners, thereby gain the sympathy of the audience. This indeed was badly scripted Vaudeville Show that was about to reach to its absurd heights: to becoming the show of the grotesque, luckily for the AC duo, the streaming ended just in time.

    The problem with their formula, it may anger Eritreans who know better, it might give us pains to listen to the diatribe of the AC duo, who cannot coherently compose their thoughts let alone to have a
    modicum of common sense to understand that dialogue/conversation/discourse is
    an art; unfortunately, for them becoming an unscrupulous and ruthless henchmen requires finesse of which they showed zero capacity, which is a signpost of real panic, fright, and terror that srAt Hgdef is feeling the heat and the pressure, the end result of which can only lead to its demise – this is existential question and one cannot expect them to go down without a fight.

    • Saleh Johar

      Beyan,

      You are absolutely right. When I heard Keetharuth was a guest, it never crossed my mind we will be bundled with immature kids. Then when they introduced the girl, I remembered who she was and I tried to control myself because withdrawing will be too embarrassing. I fact I felt very sorry for Keetharuth–I am used to such noise.

      But hey, every once in a while there is such unfortunate instance… now I know better.

      • Semere Andom

        Bayan and Saleh:
        Let me, in a moment of celebrating my own prophetic skills say that, we (I or the royal we) being saying that for many PFDJ is a career, a livelihood and they will fight to the last atom of their every cell. No shock that these wohayo gangsters lied with no shame, exposed their filth, they were as we (Erittreans) say in Arabic “Qlet al-hayat”.
        Our fight now is not even dictatorship vs. democracy, this is a luxury, it like a struggling student dreaming to drive a Ferrari. Our fight rather is evil vs. good. Once we eradicate or to use Saleh’s term, weed out, justice and democracy is innate in goodness. The evil that we want to supplant with goodness must include nurturing youth with respect, who can tell truth, who stand against lies and standing for victims, I was not informed will not cut it during the day of reckoning because it is in us as humans to tell evil from good, it is our own choice. We live by our choices and die by our choices.
        The two who faced the great Gadi and her Excellency Keetharuth is a glimpse of what people inside are putting up. Living and growing up in the freedom of the west and yet denying it to others for the sake of personal gain is an epitome of cruelty, Sorry Saleh dawit is not nay seytan avocatto.
        The disgust on Sheilla’s face was obvious, yet collected, deferential, articulate and that is the very essence of Eritreanism that I grew up with and sadly seems has been defeated.
        As this documents makes it to the annals of our history, please join me in support to award Sheilla Keetharuth an honorary Eritrean citizenship

        • dawit

          Hi SEM,,
          In my second country we have a saying ‘Yemtlbsew yelt, yemtderebew koota amarat’. You don’t have an Eritrean citizenship for your self and you want to give your Mistress ‘Eritrean citizenship’!.’Lomis bkurmtey ashikani’ You earn ‘Eritrean Citizenship” with blood. It is not that cheap that you put it on the auction block. Eritrean Citizenship is reserved for golden ladies like Rahel. But they say dream is free, you can keep dreaming.

          • Semere Andom

            Dawit:
            Yea, your other country that you run to when its gets tough.
            I have Eritrean citizenship and I am not worried if you guys revoke it, because my birth right, my citizenship all the way the village is indelible, I do not have to prove it like you by selling my soul and my teenage daughters to therapist IA.
            It is that simple
            Dawit,no you do not Eritrean citizenship by blood, you earn it by birth in the laws of my only country of Eritrea. And there is reason for calling it honorary

          • selam

            Dear semere
            If things go to the best of Eritreans , why not give her even the title of heroes, nothing bad at all. Lets work to make the document to be a good challenge to DIA. I hope we will use it to the maximum capacity

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Semere,

          Well said and I think a day will come that we name a street after her, as we did for Dr. Anze Matienzo who drafted our first constitution and protested the illegal annexation of Eritrea at the UN.

          Is it me or the YPFDJ/PFDJ are really “ab rEsna Sheyomilna”. How dare they can come in the open and support the regime without any fear, without any consequence.

          I am just trying to compare with others in our neighborhood,…..Really…Can you imagine anyone who dares to do that…and lives and walks freely in the west..

          Berhe Y.

          • selam

            Dear berhe
            What happened to the Ethiopian embassy worker whot shot bullets over the protesters? I think we failed to learn.

      • Bayan Nagash

        Selamat SGJ & Semere A,

        Reading Selam’s point above that there is something positive
        that comes out of this kind of intersection and interception; it shows
        unequivocally where the moral high ground and the ostensible solutions lie: The
        sheer weight of the presence of the tireless, gentle lady, Sheila Keetharuth of
        the UN and another tireless human right’s advocate, writer, artist, media
        commentator, and analyst, all rolled in one person, SGJ – honestly, these honorary invitees needed not say much, their sheer presence was enough to get the morally bankrupt who were there to literally bark at the wrong tree come what may, the juxtaposition was enough to show that srAt Hgdef’s dark days are numbered, it is on its way out.

        So, SGJ, please don’t see such happenstance as a mistake, it was the show’s own miscalculation that led to that jarring scene. The side of justice seekers the world over could see where the root of the problem is. Thank you so much for being out there, day-in-day-out to give srAt Hgdef an all deserving pang & pain of
        conscience, if they have any left in them to feel it. Perhaps, if Ms. Sheila
        Keetharuth is willing, adding her e-mail next to the title of the piece would
        give us an impetus for the likes of me to write her a note of thanks.

        • dawit

          Selam Bayan,…
          That is really a brilliant idea Bayan, I could also send her my condolence note also apology for the two ‘immature kids’ for punching her nose to bleed. What is going with Eritrean Sawa youth this days? The BBC described their cyclists ‘punching above their weight’ and today we watched, embarrassing seasoned political activists.

          • Bayan Nagash

            merHaba dawit,

            kamakha zeyhllelo seb ayrakhun – I have to give you that irrespective of vehement disagreements with the ideas that you try to advance.

      • dawit

        OK Saleh,
        Who is responsible for creating this embarrassing situation. Is there any room here to blame PIA for plotting with Al-gezira, for bundling two “immature kids”,to debate with international and seasoned political activists, instead of sending his political advisor Mr. Yemane Gebreab? According to reliable source from Awramba Times, it was a deliberate plot to embarrass, the sweet lady Ms. Keetharuth. I am also very sorry for such despicable act by DIA.

  • T..T.

    Hi Dawit and others from the desks of the embassies,

    May I remind you all that our martyrs voluntarily fought: to end others’ sufferings. They stood by the victims punishing the murderers and freeing the Eritrean people from the yoke of oppression by loosening the chains of injustices and slavery.

    Now, after long and hard struggle this guy (Isayas) surprised the people sitting on top declaring his absolute dictatorship with unrestricted power and taking pleasure in inflicting pain and hardship on all Eritreans including the Eritrean children, youth, the elderly and the mothers.

    So, why you are always harping on about Isayas and defending him? Your inexhaustible effort to defame the opposition and the Eritrean people constitutes commending and supporting the torturers, abusers and killers under which our people are crushing.

    You wouldn’t do so unless you enjoy seeing the Eritrean youth in pain while crossing the border, seeing them suffering in crossing the deserts and the worst of all seeing them suffer the cruelest death at the hands of international criminals and drowning in the seas.

    Yet, shamelessly loud and clear after watching what you watched on Al-Jazeera you are voicing in supporting of the pains inflicting on our people.

    Well, since you are not moved by all these sufferings caused to the Eritreans, you must be one of the worst enemies of the Eritrean people determined to destroy the entire nation and its people.

    • dawit

      TT
      Please save all your crocodile tears for your mama Ethiopia. We Eritreans know what sacrifices we made in the past and what we are making right now. We don’t need dergi to remind us.

  • Awel

    The good thing is , that this time the world and the opposition are together and PFDJ alone and naked outside. It is not like long time ago when PFDJ had so many backups.So it became so hard to avoid the entire world.You can clearly see the frustration on their faces.Because it always hard talking against the truth and aginst your deep counciosness even if you have the heart of Isayas installed in you. Great job kubur Salih Gadi.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear SGJ,
    There was this poor, generous single mom and it was a day she was hosting an elderly guest for whom she had a tremendous respect. Her house is just 3mx3m, enough to place a bed, two stools, and kitchen stuff and that is it. Her kid is 4 or 5 yrs old. Because she respects this special guest, she cooked a special dish she never had for herself. Now, the guest was served a hand wash and he said some words of blessing before eating. When he looked around, the child was tied up to the leg of the bed. Shocked at the what he saw, he demanded answer from the his host as to why the child was tied. Ashamedly, she said she spoiled him and he has no a drop of discipline when dining with grown ups.She tried to reason and make her guest comfortable about it.
    “Don’t be bothered by it at all. He is used to it. And I’ll untie him as soon as we ate.”
    “That is very offensive and unacceptable. How did you expect me to eat over a tied up child?”
    “Please, don’t be offended. He will not let us eat. He has no manners.”
    “There is no worse thing to me than allowing this. Please release him immediately or I’ll walk away.”
    “Okay, if you say so.” She untied him..
    Then, what she feared was already happening.It was a total dining mess and chaos.The guest was already rethinking it. He leaned to the host and uttered,
    “anti Haftey, emo ‘zi qolAsi qurb do de’a sonkof kitebiliyo?!”
    The name of the kid was Filmon – pure coincidence.
    ———-
    I watched it and I thought first if the host made a mistake in bring Filmon, Rahel, Saleh and Shiella together. And like Semere said she managed the hosting fairly but not effectively. I think the people used it best are the ones who were twitting from out side. I liked it at last for the following reasons:
    1, it exposed the issue for more discourse and that will help people get curious about Eritrea and the report. The exodus was not contested by both. The reason was.

    2. it showed how incoherent the PFDJ narrative is. Rahel and Filmon said the cause is the the threat of war. PIA in that old old clip said “we are not in a war footing and that is a fantasy in the minds of others.”
    Hayat

    • Susan

      Hi Hayat Adem ( Ramadan Kareem)

      I doubt people would take you serious and believe your story. I think by now everyone knows you and your mission in this forum, needless to say.

      • selam

        Dear susan
        Yes to the point. We all know the mission. Some month the mission was to campaign for the killing of innocent young Eritreans by Ethiopian soldiers and tanks and the time limit was for up two weeks of bombing Eritrea by the help of UN , AU and ethiopian blood. The mission was as if Eritreans are hopeless so they sick weyane help. The mission was to discourage Eritreans for solving their problem , the mission continues to pop up once a while . Watch out the defence mechanism for weyane and their cronies. Please be careful from mentioning Ghebru asrat, meles , they will freak out.

      • Hayat Adem

        Thanks Susan, Allahu Akram.
        antum sebat gidefunana do…Entai geyreki hijji mission gele tiblinisi…entai meAtu…Hezzi belli
        My mission is not more than sharing what I think and feel in the manner I think and feel appropriate. Here is the thing: My ideas are very powerful and I oppose the IA regime. There is nothing I can do about it. You wouldn’t have said I had a mission if my ideas were weak even if I was opposing the regime; you wouldn’t have spoken of a mission if my ideas were strong and I was supporting the regime, would you?
        The good news to you is I’m scaling down the sound of my alarming bell of alerting Eritreans about the nation’s heading into an irreversible demographic imbalance and highly likely, a civil war. Not because the pace or the trend has changed course but not enough people seem to be ready to acknowledge that growing truth. My nightmare is: when enough people get a good feel of the great danger, it will be too late to do anything to save the day.
        Look at Filmon in the debate! how embarrassing was he? His greatest point was that Eritrea is doing great things to itself in a different and unique way. But this is what PFDJ leadership tells the world. The world can’t buy that. Then the regimes to Eritreans. Eritreans are no longer attracted to that idea since 1998. Then it is telling this to its supporters, which is a shrinking number and not growing. Do you know why “the we are doing it uniquely” is not salable? Well, there is no a different, unique, hidden way of nation growth model in this world and time other than creating and mobilizing resources and using them optimally and fairly. How do you create them? If you have natural resources, sell them and use the money to develop your infrastructure and your human capacity. If you have the technology, produce them for maximum value addition and sell them, and use the money to build your infrastructure and human capacity further. If you have, the consumption power, use it to control markets to your advantage. If you have finance, use it to influence every transaction to your advantage and achieve even more financial muscle.
        Eritrea had some regional advantages on all those areas and she lost them. Even if Eritrea was tension-free with itself and with the outside world, and wisely governed today, it will still be comparatively way behind compared to its neighbors. But it should start it today this morning. It would first focus on unlocking the entrepreneurial capacity of Eritreans inside and outside and free obstacles from their way. It should signal peacefulness and cooperation to its neighbors so that Eritrean business women and men can have a broad operating field. It should open up its port services to Ethiopia immediately and earn revenues and there should not be any day lost in unfreezing the decade-long fallowing and dereliction of the ports while there is a lot of money flying pass left and right. This part pains me a lot and there is no any worse nonsensical economic practice than this. The mining sector needs to be opened up more and get revenues and use them to educate our people. Today’s gold could be any ordinary metal sometime in the future. So strike and sell it while it is hot gold. You know the story of copper and how nations that depended on it and thought the demand would be there forever lost their case? So, exploit the minerals and turn them into empowering your people now while you can. Aquaculture is another great potential. It is not the issue of farming, it is harvesting and packaging. How can Eritrea be unable to exploit this sector while the demand-market is flagging itself next door?
        Eritrea is spending a lot in militarization in money and human. Ironically, this is the stupidest policy choice from a rational economy point of view. One, it has no returns. All militarization projects don’t necessarily have returns but some have. For example, the US has high military expenditure. But it has a lot of returns. It not only helps her win friendship and diplomatic support but also influence oversea policies and markets to its favor. It also earns from it by selling 2nd and 3rd latest military technologies. Same with Russia. Egypt and Israeli military economies are considerable in the entire GDP accounts of the nations. There are reports, even Ethiopia’s MTEC is playing a key role in supplying construction and transportation products to local market. What does the Eritrea military produce for the economy other than consuming it? Even consumer military may be justified on security and defense rationalization. But that kind of military expenditure must be reasonable enough in-tune with the level of threat and capacity of the economy. Otherwise it cannot be healthy. The Eritrean military sector is funny and unique in a different way. It is the largest human resource and expenditure in the entire world compared to GDP. There is nothing that gives to the economy. Even on pure defense capacity, it is weak. It is sustained for no normal reason. There is no outside threat, and if there is its capacity of defending the nation is at its lowest level.
        What unique way Susan and Filmon? There is no unique way of developing a nation if it involves isolation, abnormality, fear of citizens, sanctions, over-sized militarization, exodus of the youth, dereliction of ports, fallowing of aqua resources, cuffing and suffocation of citizens’ entrepreneurial talents.

        • dawit

          Dear Hayat,
          This is funny,
          “antum sebat gidefunana do…Entai geyreki hijji mission gele tiblinisi…entai meAtu…” I believe your mission is to dismantle Eritrean defense capability, using hate IA as a cover. Never mind the 300,000 standing and invading Ethiopian army stationed inside and the border of Eritrea.
          Hezzi belli
          “My ideas are very powerful and I oppose the IA regime. “Eritrea is spending a lot in militarization in money and human. Ironically, this is the stupidest policy choice from a rational economy point of view. The Eritrean military sector is funny and unique in a different way. It is the largest human resource and expenditure in the entire world compared to GDP. There is nothing that gives to the economy. Even on pure defense capacity, it is weak. It is sustained for no normal reason. There is no outside threat, and if there is its capacity of defending the nation is at its lowest level”.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi dawit,
            “I believe your mission is to dismantle Eritrean defense capability, ”

            No, but its present shape is very bad that it is collapsing out of its own weight. Too weak for the defense mission but too big for the small economy. What is wrong talking about that?

        • selam

          Dear hayat
          Good points painted with a lot of false and misleading information that no one can miss your mission. Eritreans will still crash any weyane employed suckers. Just forget your economic words and business development things, ask your amhara friends how they feel when weyane (meles, ghebru asrat ) sold their fertile land to indian company. By the way no one believe your bragging rights are reserved when it comes to defence of a nation. Just consider asking weyane pilots. Any Eritrean who dismiss the crime committed by meles should be disqualified from advicing the justice seekers.

          strong what is it actually strong for asking weyane to bomb Eritreans ? Such scenario are already played out and they have no merit in Eritreans mind unless the person is idiot weyane puppet. No more sale out justice seekers, our fight is real and we are not in rush to pick the gun. There is nothing that justice seekers copy from the minority government who make election of show but no counting.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            “Good points painted with a lot of false and misleading information…”
            Take the good points home and leave everything else. I’ll ask you one question though: which one from what I said is false information? if the answer to my question doesn’t come to your mind naturally, don’t say it. The key word here is “naturally”. It is not like you accuse some one of something and then you have to think to back it up. It doesn’t work that way.

        • teweldino

          Hi Hayat,

          It would be nice if you could edit your post to add lines between your paragraphs. I remember Semere once suggested copying and pasting your work into Wordpad then pasting it back here.

  • Abel

    It looks like PI is soon to join the likes of Charles Taylor, Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Maladic, I am not sure AU will try to shield him like they did to President Omar Bashir and President Uhuru Kenyatta.

  • Fanus Brklilo

    A discussion about a nation is not about winning the argument on whether who has right or wrong, but merely on understanding the situation. To better create a solution that could be more appropriate for a citizens well being to live in harmony. The problem is that we are not seeing the house from the same side at the same time. Considering the nation as a house, were it has four sides. After seeing the house together from the same side at the same time. You will get the main point of each other, which would create a better understanding each other for bringing a better solution. Edward Du Bono, stated that in “The six thinking hats”.
    The problem here is not only seeing the nation from different persectives at the same time, but seeing once intereset before the interest of a nation. Besides that dicussion about the mater of a nation only concerns the nations of that specific country. UN, other oganizations and countries dont have the right to tell what is right or wrong for the interst of the population of that certain nation. Its a matter of Eriteans, and shall be solved by Eritreans. No intervention or human rights claim.
    Getting back to the reality, there have been som many interventions by the west, that let to the distruction of great countries and economies, not forgeting Somalia under Siad Barrie, Irak, Tunisia, Libya, Syria and as well now Yemen. All this distruction is done in the name of democracy and hidden agenda of self interest.

  • Naod Samiel

    The whole segment makes me cringe. Rahel and in particular Filmon are nasty, Saleh is all over the place, and Sheila unwittingly reveals why her commission’s report is problematic. I like the host though. I’m glad Al Jazeera is devoting attention to Eritrea, but they have to do better than this.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Noad:
      I think the host was ok interms of balancing the issues, but she was not letting people finish their thought, time is an issue but coul have cut the twits a little.
      Saleh was to the point, impressive. Sheilla was more detailed but here points were right confidents when the ghetto kids want to intimidate her, mistaking it as a wohayo meeting as Saleh said where they are used to silencing people
      And Sheilla confidently repeated to them, hoping it will sink, she said, “the human right violation constitute crimes against humanity”

      • dawit

        sem,

        How observant you are. “host was ok interms of balancing the issues” and Shella was teaching them about following the rule of law. Moderator screaming, ”Shilla Stop!”, ”Shilla Stop !!, ”Shilla Stop!!!, ”Shilla Stop”, Shella ignores the rule of the debate, trying to teach the youngsters about following rule of law! Moderator gave up! Interesting lesson.

  • disqus_LpczKymLje

    Salih you looked really old and used an fighting a wrong cause…. the young fresh Fil and in particular Rahel have shined over you… you look like you are friend to sheila who deliberately attacked eritrea on the report… if you realy care for eritrea dont be friend to UN dog who doest care much other than her personal interest … Ashika

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Selam disqus….
      Your young Fil and Rahel really embarrassed themselves in front of millions of viewers. I am sure when they grown up a little and mature they will laugh at themselves looking back at how they delivered themselves.
      Disqus, it is not about how old you are; it is about how wise you are;how fair and how honest you are and how you present yourself. Interrupting others from talking and talking over others do not ensure winning. It is rude in our culture.
      Their points and evidences were really childish. Bringing her uncle or cousin as an example or evidence, really? Who knows Rahel’s cousin or uncle (if he really exists) and how do he was demobilized. Was her uncle the only one who was demobilized? on what grounds? etc. question that she forgot could be asked. Filmon said there si no reappraisal in Eritrea. What do you think we Eritrean will think of him? especially those of who who paid 50,000 nakfa and went to prison because their children absconded from the national service? These people you called young and fresh insulted every Eritrean who lives and lived under the rule of PFDJ. They are actually young oppressors training to get the chairs because the situation is getting out of hand for their mentors who are currently hiding behind and using YPFDJ.
      By the way Edme tsega’u.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Sarah:
        I agree both PFDJ stooges embarrassed themselves. But Sahel quip of this is not “Wohayo” meeting. Sheilla was also impressive, collected.
        When you have truth on your side you are polite, confident.
        Both Filmon and Rahel are a PFDJ product and we will be returning with these people to Eritrea

  • Yoty Topy

    Hello,
    That man was rude and discourteous.It is one thing to defend your position but another thing to make yourself a jackass in front of millions of viewers.