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Eritrea: “the Wisdom of Government in Exile”

[This post by HaileTG is brought to the Frontpage from the Awate Discussion Forum.]

I understand where [the discussion is] coming from. I also know that the concerns are shared by many. However, in most instances, I try to avoid [mentioning] entities such as those who profess their inner desires on how they would like to make a meal out of us. The reason I avoid addressing them directly is because it is premature and bordering on childish to do so. If the TPLF leadership or others [have a] calculation, then they bear full responsibility for the consequences. My main concern is that [of] a civil war in Eritrea, where Eritreans turn on each other. That would entail incalculable devastation to Eritrea and its future. If on the other hand Eritreans manage to at least stay clear of violence towards each other, a chicken can dream whatever it wants. Dreams are free.

This is where the wisdom of Government in Exile (GiE), the way it proposes continuity based on a minimum common grounds kicks in. The GiE is merely a transitional body that would pave the way to whatever political path the nation will chart.

I truly believe that Isaias Afwerki (IA) is a key bottleneck in fending off the demise of Eritrea. I say this to the opposition, the PFDJ and the silent friends alike. When IA falls, it is like a dam or blocked water being released. The vast majority of the silent ones will automatically become one with the opposition’s viewpoint. The hard core PFDJ, mostly diaspora based, would either try to quietly disappear in-order to avoid being criminally litigated against, or show a foolhardy final stand. The latter would assume that they would have some base in Eritrea, that is unlikely. PFDJ ministers might be guilty by association to some degree but I don’t consider them to be the target of retribution (with the exception of few such as the two Yemanes and those in dept. 72 – aka Hagerawi Dihnet [National Security]). The vast body of these who would be fully implicated and hunted down are the the top-brass military officers who have taken advantage of the Eritrean people when we are down. The ministers are not really that much implicated. But their stupid silence and enabling has done much damage.

So, when IA, the diaspora PFDJ implants, the military leadership are once removed, the rest of Eritrea can decide to enter into a vow of healing and letting bygones be bygones. GiE, composed of mostly diaspora based ex-leaderships of both fronts and early GoE, civil society, grass-root diaspora opposition, Eritrean people at home, the armed forces and all citizens can rally around to help Eritrea get past the tight jam of transition period. If we survive it, that would be a success worthy of generational and monumental accolade. Patience is important, letting-go is important, imagining Eritrea as it should be is important.

If we are united, value each other and learn to wait and give space for diverse views and so forth, we would stand strong and those who are planning to fry us for lunch will have devastating news awaiting them. For now we’ll let them do talking the talk, but surely we will meet them when they venture for walking the walk – and mark my words – if we stand together, it will end in greater disaster than they bargained for themselves.

So, the key here is that we need to understand that the fall of IA , Idiot in Chief, is critically important. But, it will also require us to be in a maximum state of alert to ensure that it happens with the least impact as possible. We wish well to our neighbors to the south, east, west and the greater region, but we may be laying down but definitely not asleep.

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  • Haile S.

    Selam MoKsi, Hashela & Dongi,

    Let me bring your language dispute here under its proper thread. I don’t like to discuss lighter issues where spirit of victims (of who ever) are near-by. ስክፍታ ኣሕዲረ እየ፡ ጸብለልታ-ሕልና ሃልዩኒ ኣይኮነን.

    MoKsi and Dongi, on your understanding of treason, you are both correct. Your difference is in the understanding of Eritrean administration and its relationship to the law and by extension to Eritrea.

    For Dongi, the 100% Ghedli era administration is legitimate representative of the people despite its dissolution of the assembly it formed, thrown away the constitution it crafted and imprisoned exiled many many of the representatives it appointed. Therefore anyone opposing it is committing treason against it and by extension to Eritrea.

    For MoKsi, a legal definition of treason (ክሕደት) doesn’t apply for the same reason, i.e a ghedli that failed to dissolve and even staying and dictating, it failed to respect the possitive developments it started to bring in its early years. Therefore, those who absconded and went to exile (ዝሃደሙን፡ ዝተሰደዱን) cannot be considered as committing treason to a law that is not there and/or not respected by the banisher himself.

    The words ኽሕደት, ክድዓት, ጥልመት are taken as synonymous to treason. We usually understand them in their emotional meanings not their legal implications. Even the biggest tigrigna dictionary of Tek’e Tesfay does so with no inference to their legal or constitutional implications. ሃገር፡ ሕጊ፡ መንግስቲ፡ ምሕደራ are frequently confounded too. There is a lot of work to do to use words in the right context.

  • said

    Greeting ,
    Reclaim Abyssinia
    If you catch 100 red fire ants as well as 100 large black ants, and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen. However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other. The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa, when in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. This is exactly what’s happening in our society today jar… and why?” – Shera Starr

    I totally agree with your quotation ( I don’t think the people hate each other at all. The sickness is in the leadership and some failed, the miserable elite of the country.)
    So true. It has always been this way. war is being with us since the beginning of time, as human nature never changes. we need to understand accept the grim reality that the haters and war mongers are among us aren’t going away. They’re here to stay, not going away , and we dare not ever forget that. Much as we might wish otherwise,

    Every tribe and region in Ethiopia, is at each other’s throats. Who is shaking the jar? Why are they shaking the jar? Why do Ethiopians fighting each other ? for what end result . who is benefiting from civil war conflict. As you mentioned it, it is relatively small cadre of elite pulling the strings behind the curtain. The poor and an educated can be easily be manipulated and controlled through fear. And the press corps of the regime are the tools , with the false narrative, hate of the other . keep the masse at each other’s throats.

    Ethiopians and Tigrayan are using propaganda to manipulate the opinions of the poor masses in fighting each other? small cadre of elite brainwashing the poor masses do as they are told to do and they act upon it and some people choose not to see? . It’s no wonder many Ethiopians fighting each other and have turned to military solutions to democratic problems. fear eating away at our trust and confidence and empathy . fear of each other. Fear destroys our unity and solidarity. Fear refuses to identify with the concerns of each other. The power of elites use fear to divide us.
    Nearly most Eritrean who grew up under the dictatorship IA and have developed fear,. That is the fact and the deepest truth of what happened to our damaged nation is buried in the unknowable, but hidden by lies and fear. Eritrean memory, isolated country is contaminated by evil man.

    But these mass poor and an educated people are not free. They are not only trapped by their own ignorance ,hate , delusions, paranoia and fear, they are trapped in the same way paralyzed Ethiopian regime, each feeding each other ,it is the same for Eritrea and some of us are trapped in.
    Eritrea has no rational reason to join war in behave of Ethiopia. and in making it understood that Addis calls the shots. The two sides agreed to establish and align policy regarding Tigray. Abiy attaches more importance to the military alliance with Eritrean army . Ethiopia understood it cannot afford to race to war ahead on its own in Tigray . None of this went unnoticed in Asmara.

    if people demand justice and demand democratic solutions, problem will be solved. There is a way forward for peace —a rule of law ,democratic, equitable and constitutional way. Ethiopian regime believe the only way to be solved by force. It will only make the civil war problem much worse. If anything, the situation is becoming more dire in Tigray and TPLF forgot they were junior partner. War and hostility can never go with dialogue and peace cooperation.

    Today Unfortunately, there are no simple answers, and no simple remedies. It’s incumbent upon all of us to ask why this has happened. One need to reflect on the “evils of war” This is especially regrettable the war goes on.. I’d guess I’ve written a dozen or so ,the need for peaceful dialogue is paramount

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Irony: Eritrean treasonists in the form of Government in Exile, blowing the same horn and supporting the cause of TPLF treasonists who cowardly attacked the Ethiopian military. One doesn’t need to read Tigrai Online to see the oneness.

    • Aman Y.

      ስላም ደንጎሎ

      As we can read from the recent post on Awate, Ethiopia’s own Human Rights Commission, not only Abiy and his EEEE, but IA and his NNNN are guilty of genocide. You mentioned the Northern Command story which is not verified yet. Abiy’s own Human Right’s Commission has reported who cowardly tried genocide on its citizens? All this distraction by him and his invitees. TPLF has moral superiority due to Abiy’s sin.

      Don’t you think this is deja vu to EPLF’s retreat to Sahel. At the beginning of the war, I asked the forum if the Tigriayan people would ask confederation or independence not. And I got one dismissal from one of our active Ethiopian friends. So, what do you think? I do not believe it will go as it is.

      • Abi

        Hello Aman
        With or without Tplf, if the people of Tigray wish to form Tigray kingdom, there should be no one standing on their way.
        The only thing Ethiopians should ask is “how can we expedite your departure?” I even encourage the Ethiopian leaders to give them some ጎጆ መውጪያ . It can be in cash or in kind.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    መጎጎን መቘሎን ይካትዑ
    መኒኦም ከምዘድምዑ
    ኣብ ስራሖም
    ኣነ’ባ ኣነ ክበሃሉ
    በዓል ዕትሮ-ጻሕሊ ዘስተውዓሉ
    ‘ንታይ ደኣዩ ዚ ዘረባ ዓዋሉ
    ክብሉ
    ብፍሽኽታ ተቐባበሉ

    ወይ ጉድ! በለት
    መሽረፈት
    ብዘይ ብኣይ
    መሬት ምጸልመተት
    በለት
    ብውሽጣ

    ነዚ ኽትዕ ዝሰመዐት ድሙ
    —–ትነግሮ ንኣድጊ
    ኣስናኑ መይጹ
    ዕትሮ-ምትሮ መጎጎ
    ‘ተዝፈልጡ ኔሮም
    —-ተፈጥራዊ ሕጊ
    ከምዚ ኣይምበሉን ኔሮም
    ክብል ተነየተሎም

    ኣማን-ብኣማን ድማ በለት ድሙ
    ኣይትገረሙ
    ‘ንታይ ግዜ ዲና በጺሕና?

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    Just as T.Kifle was saying, today MSF put out press release saying how Ethiopian troops pulled out civilian men from mini buses and executed them in front of the MSF marked cars in Tigray yesterday. Very sad indeed.

    • Abi

      ኃይላችን
      You said “ … today MSF put out press release saying how Ethiopian troops pulled out civilian men from mini buses and executed them in front of the MSF marked cars in Tigray yesterday “
      -What is MSF?
      – Any photos before or after the execution?
      – where do I get the whole story or the whole press release?

      Thanks

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Abi,
        Please use this to search:
        March 24, 2021—Karline Kleijer, head of emergency programs for Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), gave the following statement today in response to events in Ethiopia:

        • Abi

          MM
          Thanks. I will check the report. I’m hoping one or two people from the MSF carry a cellphone capable of taking photos.
          Again, thanks a lot.

          • haileTG

            Hey Guad Abi,

            How could someone pull out a cell phone and record while execution is happening? Would you do that? It is not white police/ black guy interaction in the west you know…

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            It was a very stupid of me thinking about that. I read it back after a while and extremely embarrassed to edit it. Glad you mentioned it.
            Now I feel better. Accepting stupidity is a great thing, I guess:)

  • haileTG

    Hello moksi, KS and MM … help this one out 🙂
    ጎራሕ
    ንምንታይ’ዩ ዝጉራሕ
    መን’ከ መሃሮ ምጉራሕ
    ዘጉርሐ’ዶ ይጎርሕ ካብ ጎራሕ?
    ዶስ ዝጎርሐን ዘጉርሔን ኩሉ ጎራሕ?
    መን ይኹን ዘይጎራሕ
    ኩሉ ክጎራራሕ ንሱ ጥራሕ!
    ጎራሕ’ዶ ይምራሕ
    ዶስ እቲ ዘይጎራሕ
    ግን’ታይ ረኺቡ ጎራሕ
    ታ’ተካል ርእሲ ብምብራሕ
    ጎሪሕካ ኣበይ ይብጻሕ
    ቅንዕና ይሓይሽ ክትርባሕ።

    • Hashela

      ኣቦይ ክፍለ ድሕንዶ’ሎኹም
      ገዛና ገዛኹም
      ቃንዛነ ቃንዛኹም

      ሕጂዶ ተረዲኢኹም
      ሕጓ ዘይብላ ህድሞ ሰሪሕኩም
      መውጽኢ ስኢንኩም
      ሕጂ ትኪ ሰርኒቅኩም
      ሕንጥሾ ኣብዚኩም

      ተመሊስኽም’ዶ ኣብዚ ክተልቅሱ
      ተመሊስኽም’ዶ ኣብዚ ክትከሱ
      ተመሊስኽም’ዶ ኣብዚ ክትድበሱ
      መርሓባ፣ ትርጉም ጉርብታና እዩ ንሱ

      • haileTG

        HASHELA do’mo beluka anta rugum… nabey nabey eka tewikaley eza filsifnawit hintatoy!:)

        • Hashela

          Haile TG

          ንገሊኦም ፍልስፍና
          ንገሊኦም ቆሎ-ጥጥቆ 🙂

          • haileTG

            Hashela..haha..true say!

    • Haile S.

      Selam MoKsi,

      Beautiful and well crafted. You completed the spider-web, so let me go tangentially to yours. Here is a poem I wrote weeks ago the way I felt it, but didn’t share it yet. Just changed one word here and there now.

      ዝዝግንን ዝግኒ

      ጻሕሊ ኣብ ፈኸም ዝብል ሓዊ ተሰኽቲቱ
      ተወሲኹ ጠስሚ ኮመደረ ምስ ሽጉርቱ
      ስጋ ተዳልዩ ተመሪጹ ካብ ምሕኩልቱ
      በርበረ ከም ሽሮ ተደፍዲፉ ብዕምኹቱ

      ሰለስተ ነይሮም ሓለውቱ
      እቲ ዋና ሓደ ምስ-ቤተሰቡ ወነንቲ ጸብሒ በላዕቱ
      ካልኣይ ኣከሻሽና ክርኢ/ከርኢ ዝመጸ ብጻዩ ጎረቤቱ
      ሳልሳይ እቲ ወናኒ-ጻሕለ-ውሻጠ ንዋና-ጸብሒ ሓደ ካብ ኣሕዋቱ

      ሕጂ ማይ ንዓቐብ ኮይኑ ከም ዘመነ ግርምቢጡ
      እቲ ጎረቤት ይሕመ ብምብላዕ ንበይኑ ተዓቢጡ
      ተቆጺሩ ተበላጺ፡ ዝኹልስ ኣራጢጡ

      እቲ ዋና ከሻኒ ይርአ ናብ ካልእ ኣቋሚቱ
      ገሊኦም ይብሉ ድስቲታት ፈቐድኡ ሰኽቲቱ
      በዚሖም መግቢ መካፍልቱ መባላዕቱ

      ካብ ጻሕሉ እንታይ ከምዝደሊ ካይነግር መሪጹ ኣጽቂጡ
      ክዛረብ ሓሓሊፉ ‘ተዘይኮይኑ ገዲፍዎ መኾስ ምውጥዋጡ
      ምርኣይ መሪጹ ክረግፍ ኣብ ጎረቤት ናይ ብላዕ ሓጥያቱ

      ሳልሳይ ንሓዉ ገዲፉ ኣብ ጎረቤት ሓዉ የመልክት ኣጻብዕቱ
      ሓንሳእ ሃርጊፉ በሊዑ፡ ሓንሳእ መርዚ ወሲኹሉ፡ ንጎረቤቱ
      ኢሰብእነት ዝልብድ ቆጽሊ ኣትዩዋ ይብል ኢዱ ኣመልኪቱ
      የዕለብጥ ነዛ ዝግኒ ክጥቀመላ ናብ መርዚ ለዊጡ
      ምስ ሓዉ ክዕረቕ፡ ይፈላሊ ሓዉ ምስ ፈተውቱ

      ጸብሒ ዝጎደላ የለን ካብ ማዕዶ ተዓዘብቲ
      ኣይተሳእኑን ጻሕሊ ብማዕዶ መካወስቲ
      ሓዊ ካይቅህም ዝውስኹ ቁራጽ ዕንጸይቲ
      እንታይ ከም ዘላታ ሰብ ተረባሪቡ ከዳሉ ነዛ ምቅርቲ
      ንጥዕና ጥራይ ዝተዳለወት ኣይትመስልን ይብሉ ካብ ከሸንቲ
      ኩሉ ነናቱ ይውሰኸላ፡ ወይ ከተጥዒ ወይ ክትቀትል በላዕቲ

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ሰላማት haileTG

      መጀመርታ ትምጉራሕ ግለጾ
      ሽዑኡ ክንፍትን
      መን ንመን ከምዝበልጾ

      ቅኑዕ-ጎራሕ ለባም ‘ዩ ዝጽዋዕ
      ሰባብ-ጎራሕ ግን
      ምስጢሩ ከይቅላዕ
      ቀትሪ ብድሕሪት ኣብ ጸላም ለይቲ ግን
      ኣብ ቅድሚት ይስራዕ
      ንሱ ዝተንከፎ
      ከም ሓዊ ይባራዕ

      ኤእ ኢስያስ ንዓኻ ኮንኩን ሕጂ። ልኹፍ

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Buy a Powerball ticket or support a Government in Exile? Chances of success are the same. Only fools believe that Eritreans in Eritrea will accept a western (al la Somalia style) implanted Government. To recall, shortly after liberation in 1991, bright eyed and naive diaspora Eritreans with modern hair styles, started flowing back to Eritrea with grandiose business & governance ideas. Problem was that those who had never left Eritrea wanted to have little or nothing to do with them and they were considered as outcasts of sorts.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Dongolo,

      May be I should give up on you:).

      Semay meretika, do you actually think, Eritreans would chose the PFDJ government over any other form of Eritrean government.

      Eritreans with modern hairstyles? Seriously?

      Wasn’t easier for the government to establish its economic / business policy and judge any business plan if its within its policy.

      Do you actually believe any of those “modern hairstyles”, actually that’s hard to believe, would really want to govern? Even those who wanted, they all have good intentions and not greed for power.

      If I ask you to give me such example, I know you will not find any.

      Berhe

      • haileTG

        Hey BY,

        Don’t! don’t give up on Dongolo. At lease he/she is motivated. Shouldn’t that count for something? 🙂

        • Dongolo

          Selam HaileTG. Motivation? Must be tough for you having been involved in two prior attempts (2002 & 2008?) which failed miserably. That should count for something:).

          • Barolle

            Donqoro,

            You failed miserable as an anonymous and fictional character on the Internet, yet you have the audacity to call others a failure?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            I was not in Eritrea but I know how much I was working hard to go back to Eritrea to help rebuild.

            I was member of Dehai when it had less than 250 people (very, very silent) and I saw it grew to 1000 within a couple of years.

            All those 1000 plus people were discussing day and night how to help the government and the country. I had a friend from Abi Dubai, who was studying with me. Having access to email back in the early 90s was very academic, and he use to wonder with the level of engagement and activity Eritreans had, use to wonder “how is it possible for such a small country” to have so much accomplished people. I rennet get tells me, his father was an engineer and he had build the highest building for n Dubai at the time (in the 80s) and it was 15 floor building.

            UAE airlines was started with 10 million investment in 1985.

            Professor Arrays was in the city I use to live and he come with Dr. Tekie on their tour of constitution discussion. He was answering questions what’s like to do business in Eritrea. His answer was, he was in Eritrea on sabbatical and worked with the ministry of labour / finiance I think. He said, in the United States, Delaware (where he lives) ranks number one in ease of doing business.

            He spend time in Eritrea adapting and modifying how to start business and now, he said it takes half day or two (I forgot the exact amount) takes in Eritrea. Now by this standard, Eritrea even beats the state of Delaware or something like that.

            The guy who started Dehai, I think he started ISP in Eritrea, he was an engineer in Boeing when he pack and left to Eritrea to start his ISP.

            These are the type of people, who the PFDJ that chased them out from helping build the country. And when the professors, who wanted to go back to the country and help with the education and all they asked was to be paid like what they were paying, the Indian / Phillipins professors, the president was lying and mocking them, “they wanted to be paid like their salary in the US” which was total lie.

            Enda HGDF Hmam TraH, Hisidina that’s what they are good for.

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. Many thanks for your reply. So many things could have been and should have been handled much differently; lost opportunities abound.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Berhe Y. Thanks for your comments. The thing is, many of those now involved in the Government in Exile movement, were also a part of the prior 2 failed attempts (with TPLF as benefactor), some have been out of the country 30-40+ years and most are 60+ years of age whilst the medium age in Eritrea is 19.2. Do you believe that Eritreans in Eritrea would agree to be governed by such a lot? I remain convinced that change can only occur from within but the GIE movement totally dismisses that thought. Regarding back in 1991, am I correct in my recollection that you were not in Eritrea then? There were numerous people, however well intentions, were quickly shunned away and never taken seriously.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Dongolo

      “Selam all. Buy a Powerball ticket or support a Government in Exile? Chances of success are the same. Only fools believe that Eritreans in Eritrea will accept a western (al la Somalia style) implanted Government.”

      Dongolo: you know it; and I know it; there won’t be any Eritrean Government in Exile that would govern Eritrea post Isaias era, never, never ever. Their treasonous acts and their futile hopes and prayers to kill Eritrea with Isaias and the PFDJ government is nothing but a pipedream.

      But there is a silver lining in all these: it is a pleasure to see old fiends and colleagues – T. Kifle et al and their buddies at Awate – having reunion on this occasion. I’m really happy to see them hugging kissing consoling each other. I’m happy T. Kifle is safe, humbled, and back and I hope to hear from Hayat soon as well.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Barolle

        Hello Semere T,

        I may not agree with you on many things, but I always assumed you were an Eritrea first type of person. Therefore, I would like to ask the following.

        Does it not bother you that Eritrea and its army is getting singled out and blamed for everything and then some? You see, at this point, being an Eritrean is enough justification to raise your eyebrows, not to mention if you’re a PFDJ supporter like yourself.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Semere,

        Dongolo seems to overlook the fact that Eritreans in the diaspora are siblings, relatives, friends, parents, children…of Eritreans in Eritrea and it is thanks to the former that Eritreans at home have survived such cruel sanction by PFDJ for decades. So, the wedge being put between the people is characteristic of parasitic systems. Nonetheless, back to your point, let’s just assume that Eritreans in diaspora are so hated by Eritreans at home (for sure I know that koboro junkies are resented to some extent but not all Eritreans), and that you predict that they will never come to power. But you just said few comments ago that poor countries in Africa don’t get to choose their destiny. This means it doesn’t matter who they like or they don’t, the king maker would appoint their own regime. So, which assumption are you working under?

        a) That Eritreans will not be able to determine their destiny due to the Western EmberaToria

        b) Eritreans will be fully capable to assert their will and install a government of their choice that advances their interest.

        Either you didn’t mean what you said this morning or you don’t mean what you are saying now. Which one is it?

        • Dongolo

          Selam haileTG. Strange. Never heard of diaspora remittances being used as justification to commit treason.

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም መኹሲ፡ ሰመረ፡ ደንጎሎ

          ኣብ ዓዲ ዘለዉን ኣብ ወጻእን ዝነብሩ ኤርትራውያን ኢልኩም፡ ሓደ ነገር ኣዘኪርኩምኒ።

          ዓሰርተሳዕ ዓዲ እንዳተመላለስኩም፡ ወዲ ወጻኢ እየ ኢልኩም እንዳጠበስኩም፡ ማይ ላብ😁 እንዳበልኩም፡ መፍቶትን መላገጽን ዳንኤል ጸሃየ (ቪላ)ን ዳንኤል ጂጂን ጌርኩምና። ንምሳለ እዛ “ፈቃር” እትብል ኮመዲ እስኪ ርኣይዋ። ዋይ ውርደት!😁

          ዳንኤል ጸሃየ እኳ ትኣታትይዎ ተሰቢልዎ እዩ፡ ብዘይካ ወዲ ወጻኢ ካልእ ኮይኑ ክሰርሕ ዝኽእል ኣይመስለንን!

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam haileTG

          ” back to your point, let’s just assume that Eritreans in diaspora are so hated by Eritreans at home (for sure I know that koboro junkies are resented to some extent but not all Eritreans), and that you predict that they will never come to power. But you just said few comments ago that poor countries in Africa don’t get to choose their destiny. This means it doesn’t matter who they like or they don’t, the king maker would appoint their own regime.”

          Haile: Western powers are not king makers; they use to, but no more. They’re chaos makers and managers of chaos. The Proof: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Venezuela……..

          The point: if they interfered in Eritrean internal affairs and try to install a puppet government by a collection of local losers from the streets of the West, the outcome is predictable: CHOAS.

          For twenty years, Susan Rice et al interference brought bloodshed an human misery in Somalia, Eritrea, South Sudan, Sudan, Ethiopia…… or simply the whole Horn Region. Then Trump came, interference stopped, peace reigned between every country in the Horn Region.

          Now, the Susan Rice et al are back at the White House, and the dark clouds are back on the horizon on the Horn Region.

          The point: we’re capable of solving our problems; we’re capable of charting our destiny – if given a chance. But, like every African country and people, we’re denied the chance to chart our destiny. So, all I’m saying to the US and its European allies is, we’re willing to do business with you; we’re willing to be your natural trusted allies; just give us the respect we deserve, give us the space we need, and please leave us alone to run our affairs.

          I hope that is clear

          Semere Tesfai

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear ST,
            With all due respect, would you please explain what you mean by a puppet government? and “if given a chance”(Is this a chance to experiment on people without capability?).

            I understand that a lot of people are stuck in that old mindset, and think that a puppet government means something bad? A puppet to who? Can you be specific? a puppet to the Russians, China, USA, Europe, Middle east?
            I believe we have the tools and the measurement to assess if any country meets an international standard to many things in the globe, such as human right, basic democracy, the right of citizens, the right to education as a basic needs, International standard Degree, etc, etc. I don’t want to be elaborative so you can fill the rest, but it will be great if you can explain why you don’t want a transparent open government that aligns with other countries that are a better model to our region, or you want to continue to live as the first-class citizen because of your political association, religion, or ethnicity? I have to ask this question because some of us are the minority in our country?

            How about outsourcing the country? Maybe this can be a new trend, innovative, better than bitcoin.
            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Reclaim,

            ST knows very well, the is no worse puppet government than IA and Eritrea. Only thing is, they do not want to do business with him.

            For example,
            1) Did you know Eritrea was one of the “country of the willing” who supported at the UN for the invasion of Iraq?
            2) When Donald Rumsfeld had press brief after the meeting with IA, and IA was asked he said “The US should have done it [getting rid of Sadam] long time ago, and we were telling them.
            3) His ambassador has hired a lobbying firm and was paying 50K a month to lure the US to have base in Eritrea, where they decided to go to Djibouti instead. He is in one interview, the mountains in Eritrea are suitable and resemble that of Afghanistan for the US military training.
            3) When the Palestine passed a motion in the UN general assembly to be recognized as a country, the whole African countries, the E.U., Asian, South American supported it. Eritrea is the only third world country, abstained, with few American Allay countries such as Canada abs the UK. Why? Because Eritrea is a puppet to Israel.
            4) When Russia Annaxed Crememia, his FM went to Russia to support it and said it publicly.
            5) Gadaffi and Libya were the only country that stood with Eritrea during the war in 98-2000. Libya were giving free oil to Eritrea after Sept 11 when oil prices skyrocketed. Eritrea was selling at the highest rate in the world. When NATO was bombing Libya, and the killing of Gadaffi, a lot of African countries condemned the interference. IA and his government have said Nothing to condemn the bombing and the killing, if there was one country that should have a strong stand, Eritrea should be one of them.
            6) Sudan had supported Eritrea fight for liberation for its whole existence. Soon after our independence (in 1994) he expelled the Sudan embassy and sever diplomatic ties with Sudan (the first country to recognize our independence) because the US had a conflict with Sudan over hosting Bin Laden, before he left to Afghanistan.

            A lot of our Ethiopian friends confuse, IA isolation with a man of principle. Nothing further from the truth.

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Wow Berhe Y,
            Thanks for that info,
            Sometimes I feel like I asked a damn question, and feels good when I get the right answer.
            As the saying goes if you ask the right questions, An expert knows all the answers. I’m giving my self a big pat on my back :👏
            Thanks again,
            Reclaim

          • Haile S.

            Selam Reclaim,

            Time for you to be asked questions. I hope they are not damn!

            1 – are you claiming Abyssinia? I might have missed previous clarification on this from you.
            2 – two question in one: you just changed avatar. From which period and source was your previous abyssinian map? From which painting is the new one? Never seen a ship docking so close to shore yo be photo unless photochopped.
            Kind regards

          • Abi

            መምህር
            You have not been paying attention lately.
            Mr Reclaim said his group ( whatever that may be) is claiming the whole Horn of Africa.
            That is what I gathered from his response to me. Now that is BOLD and Forward/ Backward looking depends on your interpretation.

          • Haile S.

            Selam ጀታው፡

            These days, we don’t know where to place our attention.

            Reclaimix is searching the africa map (I guess of 18th century) he was using as. avatar.

            The horn of africa became the antidote for TPLF’s greater tigray. I don’t know what Reclamix wants it for.

          • Hashela

            Haile S.

            Glad to see that you are uncovering our regional Asterix/Obelix, virtually roaming the HOA. Hail to the river bank of Tigris!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            I believe it is crystal clear what Mr Reclaim wants to achieve.
            Greater Abyssinia:)

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thanks, HaileX, the Lycée Guebre-Mariam

            for Quick answers.
            1. Yes
            2. the new one is the ship that got stuck in the Suez canal. Google it. I labelled the picture with HOA Problem and its solution as the excavator.
            No one asked me that as a direct question, I love to answer it in more details sometime lateron. Heres a clap for the right Question. :👏

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear All,

            Quote
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            We must become members of a new race, overcoming petty prejudice, owing our ultimate allegiance not to nations but to our fellow men within the human community.

            About Us

            Claim Abyssinia or die in the Mediterranean!

            Call for New East Africa With the East African Conflict raging war, violence and poverty, the number of people trying to reach safety in Europe is dramatically increasing.

            We’re urging for the African member of states to act on the only solution!
            • The only way out of poverty is unity.
            • Free border among Africa nation, Stop the tightening of the border among neighbour nations.
            • Remap Africa, destroy colonisation map, There is not sufficient resource to survive, Divided
            • New East Africa must unit, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Djibouti, South Sudan, Darfur, North Sudan, Central Africa Republic, and Uganda. Kenya doesn’t want to miss out on this opportunity.
            • Free trade among African nations, Africans have to be able to travel to trade and must have work right between neighbouring country. No nation can fight poverty with poor and unrest neighbours.
            • More need to be done from the African nation to save lives in the Mediterranean

            Reclaim

          • Abi

            Hello Berhe
            You have the luxury to underestimate PIA.
            ለተቀማጭ ሰማይ ቅርብ ነው::
            Ethiopia was the number one enemy 3 years ago. Today, His Excellency King Abiy is visiting Eritrean counterpart at Asmara Palace.
            You see, interests change, countries Aline themselves accordingly looking for their best interests.
            Stop acting like a couch coach. May be you need to cut that Tim Hortons cheap coffee a little bit.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abiy,

            I have never said there is a problem in changing alliance or strategy if benefits the country. What I was responding was, what people like Semere claim that, any other Eritrean who creates alliance with other is a puppet to the outside.

            As an Eritrean, it’s pathetic and shameful what Eritrean government does. None of the examples I listed were for the benefit of Eritrea or the people.

            Speaking of which, IA is a puppet for Abiy now. What did I tell you the other day.

            1). Abiy is going to agree to all the US asked. He did.
            2) He us going to throw Eritrea / IA under the bus. He absolutely did, with his timely released HR report, where the bulk of the blame is going to Eritrea and its armed forces.

            Abiy is visiting Isayas. What could this be, “the kiss death”.

            But your country leaders are use to betraying Eritrea (all of them) and Abiy will be no different.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hello Berhe
            My name is Abi. Please don’t confuse me with the Greatest King, His Excellency Abiy Ahmed.

            Both EU and USA affirmed their solidarity with Ethiopia. They recognized, as they should, the important role Ethiopia is playing in the region.
            Both Ethiopia and Eritrea will come out victorious both in the diplomatic world and the war against the thugs.
            In the mean time you keep couch coaching.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Abi,
            I think you are wrong. I think you are over estimating.
            “You have the luxury to underestimate PIA.
            ለተቀማጭ ሰማይ ቅርብ ነው::”
            Eritrean chose to give him a go or a fair go, because of EPLF achievements.
            awakening, awareness, spreading the word, etc, is a beginning of a change.

          • Abi

            Abyssinia
            I don’t remember the last time I was right.
            Now, I have to agree with you that awakening, awareness, spreading the word are the beginning of the desired change. That is what Awate.com used to be known for.

          • haileTG

            Thanks BY,

            A great summary of the type “kab bahri b’chilfa” of IA/PFDJ. Haile Weldetensae lamented your #5 in his famous speech in Germany when he said how shameful it was that Eritrea had no allies in its 98/00 war. I don’t know how to explain to the PFDJista that they are simply greedy, parasitic, cruel, irresponsible, ignorant… add the rest. This is why I likened the fall of IA to a blocked dirty water being released, i.e. once Eritrea is unblocked, the stench of PFDJ from this dirty water will dissipate and Eritreans will be soon breathing the scent of fresh air.

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            The question becomes who is performing the sanitation process so that the blocked and stinky water doesn’t cause cholera? I believe you are not releasing the contaminated water before you sanitize it. I like to know if you have put in place an entity that is ready to perform the sanitation and distribution of the clean water.
            መፎከርና መወርወር ለየቅል ናቸው::

          • haileTG

            Hey Guad Abi,

            The blocked water will flush down the pipes, you will never know it was there. Nature will take care of cleansing the air. Thanks to some colonial infrastructure in Eritrea, the political pipework is there. We don’t throw out dirty water in the streets like ones you see in big Shanti towns 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            You made it as clear and pristine as the water that flows in ማይ በላ:: ( መቼም ሁሉም ባለው ነው የሚያጌጠው :))
            In case you haven’t been able to pay attention , some big ‘shanti towns’ in the nearby cities are converting their rivers into በአዲስ አበባ ያሽቆጠቆጡ recreational parks and wedding venues. ( details upon special requests only)

          • haileTG

            Ere Ere Abi,

            I didn’t mean any specific city, just generally! Could you please answer my Q on the other blog, or is there blockage building up down south too???

          • Barolle

            Selam Haile TG,

            TPLF lost because they didn’t have alliances. Is that a statement you could agree on? If Eritreans help Ethiopia pit Tigrayans and Eritreans against each other even more than they already have, the outcome would serve them and not us Eritreans and Tigrayans. Divide and conqeur is the oldest play in the book, yet it works every time.

            How do Eritrea restore the relationship with Tigray today and post IA? Would a change in leadership make their experiences vanish into thin air?

            Thank you!

          • NewDawn

            Selam Barolle, dont worry too much about tigray. We sit in the most strategic place, we have to look north west and east. They have no choice but to work with us or work against us. They have to be submissive to us, given their current predicament.

          • Barolle

            Selam Newdawn,

            Before engaging in that topic I would like to say that all lives have value and that this conversation is not to undermine the lives lost.

            Have you read the report from Ethiopian human rights watch? It has been quite some time since I read a report that was that obviously angled. It barely touched on Ethiopian related war crimes, or the Amhara Militia, in comparison to alleged Eritrean war crimes.

            So, what is the purpose behind the report except reporting war crimes?

          • Abi

            Hello NewDawn
            This kind of comment comes only from a retarded qebessa zombie. The proud people Tigray will never be submissive to you. Their useless leaders brought the current situation on them and you the useless zombie want to capitalize on their predicament.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Abi, im a realist, they need to know their place. Maybe the way i said it was wrong. Back to pushing arebya and selling beles. They get more attention than they deserve, i only care for eritrea and eritreans. We need to think bigger and more critically. Tigrayans and Tigray are a mere bump, a solution and a framework to deal with them shouldn’t be too hard to find.

          • Barolle

            Selam Newdawn,

            Begakha gedefo kemzi zeraba. Rugom seb eytokon!

          • NewDawn

            Selam Barolle, let them have their own medicine. They love to insult us, even brazenly to our faces. http://www.tigraionline.com/articles/eritrean-refugee-threat.html Look at what they had to say about innocent Eritrean refugees in 2014. Have any of them condemned the innocent Eritrean refugees attacked recently no instead they excuse them and say they are government spies. Is there anything i said you disagree with?

          • Barolle

            Selam Newdawn,

            Yes, I disagree. If someone attacks your people, or your country, then feel free to give back. I’d join in with you as support.

            Harass the harasser, so to speak. It’s entertaining and you don’t need to feel bad about it. Example: My behaviour towards Dongolo.

            However, I strongly disagree with how you generalise the way you do. You are raised in the west and learned to tolerate people from every part of the world. I don’t blame you though. It is how many are raised thinking, especially those of us from the highlands. Let’s leave that behind! We are the generation to change that and much more.

            Furthermore, keep in mind that there are many with Tigrayan ancestry in Eritrea, both Christian and Muslims.

          • Abi

            Hello NewDawn
            I don’t know what “ pushing arebya” means. Regarding selling beles, as long as there is somebody consumes it, why not sell it?
            Last time I checked, beles is Eritrean National fruit where the President of the country proudly invited his Ethiopian counterpart on their road trips.

            ለካስ ይህ በለስ ቂጥ ብቻ አይደለም አንጎልም ያደርቃል ::
            ምህረቱን ያውርድልህ!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            pushing the wheelbarrow (arebya,) a job that is done by poor immigrants and poor Eritreans.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            የቐንየለይ ሓወይ

          • Berhe Y

            Dear NewDawn,

            I don’t think we need to lose our campus and do the right thing regardless what one needs to do in return.

            Selling Belles (caring at least 40 – 50 kg.) of weight in your shoulder and walking uphill to the mountains for 5 KM is very, very hard work that any human should be proud off.

            They were not begging for UN or refugee camps and waiting for hand out but working their a..off to make money and provide for their family. There is nothing but pride in this. What have you done in comparison?

            Those people who were coming in Eritrea and working to provide a living to their family were not a problem for the Eritrean people and will never be a problem.

            They are our neighbors and we need to find to live in peace.

            Berhe

          • Barolle

            Selam Newdawn,

            Did I pass that test? 😳

  • Aman Y.

    Hi All,

    Abiy’s speech was an attempt to down play the seriousness of the predicament Ethiopia is in. Presenting his 10 years plan at the same conference was not sensible. One wonders if the parliamentarians were paying after he said when Amhara people die in Oromo they Oromos and vice versa. Imagine these were the same people who lamented their people dying everywhere due to TPLF. What changed now? He also said he organized the special forces regardless of the constitution. Doesn’t it make it a transgression?

    I would like to say nice to meet you to the Awate returnees. The NNNN mutate strain EEEE seems to be going down faster than its predecessor. I hope the returnees are in the medical field. We need them big time before stronger strains show up.

    Success to GiE!

  • said

    Greeting, Abi and alike ,
    Compassion, “all the social virtues flow.” Rousseau wrote
    Abi your quotation respond (You should have advised your beloved Tplf friends not to attack the National army. Now, if you will, wipe down your crocodile tears and focus on the GiE.)
    My position is clear .I stand with voiceless people .Unlike you Devoid of Compassion . You are just acting like crude chauvinist , extreme and reactionary Ethiopian , The truth is irrelevant to you .A soulless people like yourself , legitimatizing Atrocities and pretend not to know the real fact when it come from mouth of your beloved PM AA , you have being pretty consistently denying realty. to pretend it is not there . you to learn to accept the truth about yourselves, however unpleasant. The simplistic message was always the same ,not to admit Ethiopian barbarism taking place in Tigray .But Ethiopian military remain to destroy , debase and treat Tigrayan as lesser human beings. This collective self-delusion is the story of Ethiopian imperialism, from its foundational time built on savage wars of conquest.

    Historically is known for it hatred for people of other ethnicities and tribe .divided into us and them, the good Ethiopian and the bad Tigrayan and others , the blessed and the damned Tigrayan and others , Ethiopian barbarism at its core, an ideology of hatred. A especially hatred between Amhara and Tigrayan goes back for century .never inclusive and equal and equitable society .Kings of Ethiopia each believing as God’s chosen agent and intitled to rule the country . Because God blessed the righteous kings with power. They alone have been anointed by God. And are intertwined with Christian orthodox faith.
    Ethiopia presented to the world a “Christian nation,” Thai is till Derge godless atheists arrived ,taking the country to darkness of the bottom and killing field and distraction an heard off and replaced by another Godless Communist TPLF, they blundering and laundering the wealth of country.as acting as new imperialist agent .Only TPLF have the right to impose their “narrow tribal values” on others by oppressive force. TPLF force of evil lost touch with their own humanity and the never lived high ideals that was expected from them . TPLF start to oppress , subjugation and annihilation of others non Tigrayan . by choice . They surrender all moral autonomy and their humanity ,they become blind to reality. TPLF have been enormously successful in taking over the top government position the army ,civil position and ‘public square., the media, the government, the courts,. Creating enmity with Ethiopian at large. And TPLF deep enmity for Eritrean people is well known . The evil It lies at the core of Ethiopian imperialism.

    Even when PM AA public admitted Atrocities have been committed in Tigray. The article gave evidence.it is overwhelmingly clear now. by their words you shall know them” It applies to PM AA. What happened to Christ’s message of love, tolerance, kindness ,compassion . Goodness and charity. What happened to The commandment “Love your neighbor as yourself?

    Ethiopian Military Empires live and die by their own illusions. Visions of empowerment can inspire Ethiopia to scale the heights of internal hegemony. Similarly, however, illusions of omnipotence can send fading Ethiopian empires crashing into oblivion. And potentially rendering the future of Ethiopia geopolitically irrelevant. Addis imperial illusions persist backed by armadas of artillery, tanks , jet fighters and a Predator drones, they are irrelevant when people rise up . Ethiopian population is very poor and dependent on donation , its debt ballooning, and its politics messy and in this series of failed, never-ending conflicts. In this centrally governed system and old Ethiopian military formula for controlling ,containing, constraining, and dominating all region of varied ethnic group as one will fail eventually and visibly failing. After all that, it seems remarkable and regime is so blindingly oblivious to the aspiration of Ethiopian people . Instead PM AA of opening the country for business , trade ,peace and development, forge closer economic ties, deepen cooperation, and expand development space in Horn Africa region. Through free commerce trade and build infrastructure and Ethiopia will become “the biggest market in the Horn with unparalleled potential. And potentially to be largest trade in East Africa bloc. Using modern port in Djibouti with new built railway by build China. Sadly. PMMAA has No vision. He failed miserably . Abiy in stead of winning by building infrastructures for commerce, new hydro energy, local finance, and transport though out Ethiopia and beyond and Abiy falling ability to produce goods and services and country facing budget deficit, which can be a real cause for concern and its economy is in a severe slump. No private investment coming .

    Abiy and his regime sooner or later will wakeup , Addis will undoubtedly have to accept the unbending internal political reality will implode. Yet Abiy still imagine that there is still a fight to be fought internally in every corner of Ethiopia and clear the way for him to rule an contested. None of this is an accident. It is not politically occurring naturally.
    Abiy is smart he know how to sell a narrative based upon Ethiopian nationalism, patriotic emotions, fears and biases of the masses. With so few educated mases capable of critical thinking and seeing through their deceptive manipulation of the story-line of war , control over mainstream and social media gives those pulling the strings tremendous power and control over Ethiopian society and poor Ethiopian they remain subjugated and constrained. And Ethiopian mases unable to decipher the truth,
    Abiy regime taking their cues former regime that failed the nation ,is being repeated again.No different than TPLF hubris and myopia have convinced themselves they are powerful group and infallible and immune to defeat. What brought TPLF greed and arrogance ultimately lead to their downfall and defeat

    Today Ethiopia is Fighting immoral and senseless civil wars today , wars tomorrow and war forever. Many Tigrayan are still grappling with losses of loved ones from the war and food and medical insecurity.
    Making widows and orphans, Maiming and killing civilian who were no threat to Ethiopia .Destroying Tigray hospital , industry, infrastructure that are costly to replace.one hope peace will prevail

    • Abi

      Hello said
      I respond only to the first paragraph since I am not willing to read a comment longer than the article itself.
      Now, in case you haven’t paid enough attention in the past, I have fiercely defended the people of Tigray from any kind of insults in this forum during the hay days of TPLF leadership. If you are unable to distinguish or purposely mixing Tplf/ Tigray people, it is your problem.
      If you are trying to cleanse Tplf from its cancerous past and present actions, all I say to you is, good luck.
      I have got nothing more to say.

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear Said,
      I think most of the Ethiopian people are fueled with anger and some kind of mental disorder. I found many people in my community want retribution against the so-called TPLF and its associates with an iron fist. The Oromo want retribution against the Amhara to a history that didn’t exist with an iron fist. They both preach God and forgiveness but none of them is considering it, if the leadership of those people have their way, they will not only kill each other but mutilate one another. I don’t think the people hate each other at all. The sickness is in the leadership and some failed, the miserable elite of the country.
      Cheers,
      Reclaim

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Saido

      This is powerful, it is a must read @Abi
      “TPLF force of evil lost touch with their own humanity and the never lived high ideals that was expected from them . TPLF start to oppress , subjugation and annihilation of others non Tigrayan . by choice . They surrender all moral autonomy and their humanity ,they become blind to reality. TPLF have been enormously successful in taking over the top government position the army ,civil position and ‘public square., the media, the government, the courts,. Creating enmity with Ethiopian at large. And TPLF deep enmity for Eritrean people is well known . The evil It lies at the core of Ethiopian imperialism.”
      May be I will replace the ‘Ethiopian imperialism’ to Ethiopian Feudalism/Capitalism’

      “…. No different than TPLF hubris and myopia have convinced themselves they are powerful group and infallible and immune to defeat. What brought TPLF greed and arrogance ultimately lead to their downfall and defeat. ”

      I think the proposed GiE need to digest the above statement, interms of being inclusive of the previous X-Eritrean governance body to proposed change.

      Cheers,
      Reclaim

  • Haile WM

    hello all,
    so news is “Ethiopian Human Rights Commission (EHRC) says Eritrean soldiers killed more than 100 civilians the city of Aksum in Tigray at the end of November.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-47639452

    this is terrible, and all the deniers still would be deny, what a tragedy. let’s wait what will be Iseyas response to this

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Haile WM,

      Isn’t it interesting that on Monday Biden appoints a new envoy to the region, Tuesday PMAA says Eritrea entered into Ethiopia in anticipated danger and Wednesday Ethiopian HRC accused Eritrea of potentially Crimes Against Humanity! At this rate IA will be referred to ICC very soon.

      • saay7

        Haile TG:

        24 hours earlier, in response to its blistering report, Yared Tesfay, the Info “Head” (ሄዱ ይሰበር) at Eritrean Embassy to UK was categorically denying to channel 4, in writing, that Eritrean troops are in Ethiopia. While the world is commenting on how Abiy came out from hiding to finally admit what the world already knew, he is still wedded to his lie and has invented a new one that they are just guarding the border. Which apparently stretches to Shre and Axum.

        T Kifle is going to have to explain to us how this guy climbed up the EPRDF ladder.

        saay

        • haileTG

          Hey saay,

          That was classic! I was reading the letter yesterday after reviewing PMAA’s awful speech. Eway Yared arkey fah endya elato:)

        • T. Kifle

          Dear SAAY,

          With all the spy satellites hovering over every inch of the globe, I wonder how people(governments) failed to spot the massive presence of the Eritrean Army. As we speak you have 12 Eri divisions: artillery, motorised, infantry, special commando units over the expanse of the Southern Tigray Zone (Raya & Enderta) proper.
          Eritrea was at it just from the D-Day!

          Now, it seems the Tamrat Nagaras are vindicated.

      • Haile WM

        Selamat Haile TG,

        It’s pleasant to have you around in the forum, your presence with your ideas and input are much needed.

        indeed it’s interesting how things are changing rapidly, from out-straight denial (no we are not present, no its a lie) to Abi admitting Eritrean troops presence and the EHRC saying there were atrocities done by Eritrean soldiers… lets see how the Semere “make no mistake” Tesfais will try to justify and twist, I am curious

        • haileTG

          Selam Haile WM,

          Thanks! I also would like to add that all this seemed inconceivable to Semere just about two weeks ago, when he said:

          “Well, to accomplish the “geo-political and strategic re-set in the HoA region” to the liking of the West, if the only “stonehead to be turned over is Isaias Afewerqi” then under Western pressure (a) Ethiopia has to agree to flip and cooperate with the prosecutors (b) has to sit on the witness stand next to the judge as the star witness against PIA’s Eritrea. Interesting!!!”

          Semere, what do you say now…

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTH

            like I told you before, will see. The world is watching.

            Haile, I don’t have any illusion that:

            A. – For the foreseeable future, Africa is going be the battleground for the giant powers.

            B. – Round two “scramble for Africa” is around the corner.

            C. – Always the objective is the same – enslave Africans through the shackles of debt – just different methods

            What I don’t know for sure is who will get what, and how the battles are going to be fought.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Semere,

            I understand how shocking the news might be unfolding for you. But worry not, IA keydu, IA yimexena, judging by your dogged determination.

            If you have such concerns for the independent Africa, why not start by encouraging your fellow Africans, I.e. Eritreans, to work towards their stated goals of owning their political course through the GiE initiative? It will go a long way in giving them moral strength. Think about it and email saay when you ready. He is a nice chap, trust me, he won’t bite your head off 🙂

      • Kaddis

        Selam Haile TG,

        Enjoyed all your inputs here.
        The growing fear is how Isias will take solely being accused for the crimes committed jointly , when Abibi enjoy the peace laureate title ..while Isias knows his forces are deep in Ethiopia, including in the intelligence, in Oromia, in disputed Sudan border, probably maintained his OLF contacts etc…
        The Ethiopian Human rights council by the way is another Kinijit, Birtukan midekssa, covering for PP and EZema …he released the report to get credibility by the UN HRC to jointly investigate his boss Abiy’s mess
        ICC is more of European thing, US hates ICC, wait until the EU envoy returns to Addis to show what foreign policy instruments / Option the EU has, as per its high representative
        In any case – we knew the destination of Ethiopia in 2018 when the Isias Abiy bromance went out of hand; both paid by the arabs ( not blaming here) to dislodge the nations capacity to be a proper state, in the process leave the Nile alone ….destined to be another Congo if not Somalia ..but lives as a constant fragile state. Their plan is working.

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Kaddis,

          Thanks! That is interesting angle you have there, I also agree about ICC and US’ stand. I just want to add one theory: whenever the US and the Eritrean regime are drawn to the same crisis, it has always proved dangerous for the latter. When the IA regime entered the foray in the Somalia crisis, IA was warned that he was going to be bombed back to Taliban era by the US Ambassador to Eritrea. In the face of it IA was trying to pacify Somalia by creating GiE through inclusive mechanism, Somalia Re-liberation Alliance. He ventured on that project oblivious of the regional and western power dynamic and most tragically; at the expense of the poor people of Eritrea! Again, he had similar conflict with the US when he involved in the then South Sudan crisis. Specifically, IA had excellent sway and connection with all/most of South Sudanese warring parties and the peace conference was to be had in Libya. The US kicked out IA from the process. I don’t know if this is white man – Black man issue, but again he squandered all that energy and effort at the expense of the poor people of Eritrea. This is why I call him Idiot in Chief. In this current problem, the US is deeply involved and always was thus expect far more worse things to happen to IA. Interestingly, Isaias was stabbed by those he trusted in all occasions just like he stabbed the Eritrean people who trusted him. You can look at all his interventions, they all have zero interest for Eritrea or her people’s obvious advantage. Why is PMAA not sticking his neck out for him? Why did Sheikh Sharif Ahmed of the once ARS – Asmara stabbed him in the back when he fled to Djibouti? The Idiot in Chief only has his ego to assuage when he ventures as world savior. These are few examples though.

          So, my point here is that the US/Eritrea conflagration in Ethiopian crisis at the moment will be the last of the foolish egocentric of Asmara’s blunders in a catalogue of his wasted life endeavor.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam haileTH and Haile WM

        “Isn’t it interesting that on Monday Biden appoints a new envoy to the region, Tuesday PMAA says Eritrea entered into Ethiopia in anticipation of danger and Wednesday Ethiopian HRC accused Eritrea of potentially Crimes Against Humanity! At this rate IA will be referred to ICC very soon.” haileTH

        Lets see the Semere “make no mistake” Tesfais will try to justify and twist, I am curious. Haile WM

        I’m not a betting person, but if I’ve to guess nothing will happen to Isaias or his government and you’ll be disappointed as always – simply because the world is changing and changing fast. But, but, but……… If Isaias Afewerqi is killed or sent to the ICC…..

        Well, what’s new! In the last sixty years – according African Exponent – 22 African heads of state who stood for their people and their national interest have been killed by American governments and their European allies – all while the slaved minds and the dimwit compatriots and Africans laughing. So what if Isaias Afewerqi hapens to be #23 African head of state to be killed or lynched.

        Big deal!!! He has accomplished what he ought to accomplish in life – and more. His legacy is already sealed. If they kill him, they will make him a martyr and an African hero!!! And we will celebrate him even more for generations to come – including your children and grandchildren.

        I hope I answer your question

        Semere Tesfai

        • Haile WM

          Merhaba Semere,

          I will tell my children about the giants who were inspiring millions of Eritreans, giants like Hamid Idris Awate, Woldeab Woledmariam, Ibrahim Sultan, Abdulkadir Kebire and many more and Iseyas will be the villain who tried to hijjack their vision, make no mistake!! 🙂

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Haile

            I will tell my children about the giants who were inspiring millions of Eritreans, giants like Hamid Idris Awate, Woldeab Woledmariam, Ibrahim Sultan, Abdulkadir Kebire and many more and Iseyas will be the villain who tried to hijjack their vision, make no mistake!! 🙂

            Al-Asef, you’re kids won’t have a National History Lesson without mentioning Isaias Afewerqi.

            Sorry to be the one to break it to you

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ሰላም ወንድም አማች
            I have found a great story to tell my future grandkids.
            ኢሳያስ የተባለ ኤርትራዊ ጀግና እንደ ቀደምት አባቶቹ ሁሉ ኢትዮጵያ ጨለማ በዋጣት ወቅት ከጎናችን በመቆም አጋርነቱን አሳይቶናል:: ታሪኩ ይቀጥላል!! አብረሃ ደቦጭ ሞገስ አስገዶም ዘርአይ ድረስ የተባሉ….
            I hope there are going to be many books, movies, short stories… depicting the unwavering support Tegadalay Isu provided Ethiopia in our dark days.

            ባለውለታዎቻችንን አንረሳም:: ታሪካቸው ከትውልድ ወደ ትውልድ ይተላለፋል::

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Haile WM,

      The press release of EHRC hardly adds value to the understanding of the massacre. When it thought there is nothing useful out of hiding the problem it decided to publish it in order to establish itself as one of the parties Co- investigating the atrocities exacted on the state. So the motives for publishing the document are even more sinister than remaining silent

      • Kaddis

        Selam T.Kifle –

        Glad to see you around and hope we pass through this mess although a lot of damage done already …fearing the worse is yet to come. Addis bubble is slowly and surely losing air by the day and hope people wake up and pressure the lie built government using whatever means they have; specially using the presence and mood of the international community based in Addis.
        Wishing for healing and recovery for all of us, particularly for the families in distress and directly being affected, victimized.

        • T. Kifle

          Selamat Kaddis

          Thank you very much for the compassion, and the feeling is mutual.
          Never imagined to see such a deplorable clique built on compulsive lies. So can say that ‘the people get the government they deserve? ‘

          • Abi

            Hello T Kifle
            It is more like the people got rid off the government that abused them for nearly 30 years.

      • Haile WM

        Dear T. Kifle,

        nice to have you here around, hope you and yours are ok in these times. My point is from negation to admittance it didn’t take much, now not only PM Abi is saying eritrean troops are in Ethio, but the EHRC also confirmation that atrocities were done by the same troops. it will be interesting to see how the regime stooges will justify this.

      • Saleh Johar

        Selam T.Kidle
        Welcome back. Glad to have you here after a long absence. Welcome again.

        • T. Kifle

          Dear Sir,

          Thank you very much for welcoming me into your beautiful house of Awate.

    • Brhan

      Hello Haile,
      Thank you for sharing …I thought today is Friday

      When that happened and major news sources reported it and some of us shared it, like you did today, the deniers were saying that was fake,

      Are they going to say to EHRC a fake commission too?

      • Abi

        Brhan
        Wait couple of days may be a week for the inevitable debunking of the news.
        This one won’t stick just like the previous ones.

        • Brhan

          Merhaba Abi,

          So EHRC is fake?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Just wait and see. You will find the answer yourself.

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            Firsly, last time you told me to wait for you untill you get briefing from PM office and you did not do as you promised. I am starting not believe your promises.
            Secondly, pass by the Eri Embassy in UK in your way to UK soccer:
            March 22, 2021
            Eritrean emabssy in UK says “No Eritrean soldiers in Ethiopia”
            March 23, 2021
            A. Ahmed Ali says ” There are Eritrean soldiers in Ethiopia.
            Is not this embarrassing?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Well, I didn’t get back to you on timely manner because I was busy discussing the matter with Abichu.
            He said that you will get the response along with millions of Ethiopian and Eritrean patriots during his parliamentary speech.
            I will do my best to promptly deliver his message on timely manner. ለአሁኑ በይቅርታ እለፈኝ ሓውና ብርሓን::
            The second part of your comment
            As you suggest, I will have to get back to you as soon as I passed by the Eritrean embassy at London.
            Do you know the address?

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            I can shed a light to address you asked. Just google, it , links are not allowed today.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Glad to know you are a law abiding citizen of Awatenation. We all need to cooperate in observing and enforcing the posting guidelines specially when posting links.
            You don’t want to be the weakest link here.

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            By asking me to provide you a link, today, you, showed that you are not a law abiding citizen @awate. Abide by the law. You don’t want to be the wicked commentator here!

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Nice try.
            I don’t remember asking you for a link. Asking for address and asking for a link are two totally different things.
            ስንቱን አስተምሮ ይዘለቃል!

  • T. Kifle

    Hello the People of Awate

    I just felt obliged to make things straight for the record that Ras Abi implicated me as I was proponent of the removal of DIA through external intervention, which is supposed to have it said probably some 6 years back.

    It never been my position at any point in the past: Probably now is!
    it is great that the big guns like SAAY and HTG are around lately in full swing cherishing the forum with their incisive ideas.
    I am also enjoying Saleh Gadiji’s Negarit.
    I have a remorse, publicly, about the argument I had with SAAY when he said ‘Ethiopia is few points away from being a failed state’ (not verbatim) some 8 years ago. who would have thought it would regress to this level in unfortunate turn of events?
    Now your GIE!
    you should form it asap. time is the essence.

    • Abi

      Hello T Kifle
      I like to make things straight so that there will be no confusion.
      What you said was , in the event after the removal of Isu, there is no “formidable” force that is capable of restoring order like eprdf did during 1991.
      My question to Haile TG is based on the fact that he and you have been on the same page during that time regarding the lack of formidable force . There was no formidable force back then, there is no force readily available now.

      It is interesting to see Saay and T Kifle on the same page regarding the failure of Ethiopia.

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Ras Abi

        That way, I agree!
        I am not much into believing that the country descends into civil war as HTG indicated. I think everyone have learned their lessons this time around to subordinate their ambitions to the interest of their nation.

        as far as SAAY and me concerned, I learned my lessons the hard way!

        • Abi

          Hello T Kifle
          Glad the confusion is cleared.
          The good thing is we tend to remember the things we learned the hard way. You will be alright as long as you don’t learn anything from Saay. That will be a disaster!
          Please stay around. Your input is badly needed.

    • haileTG

      Selamat Haw T. Kifle,

      Nice to hear from you! I hope all is well with you and your relatives! Wishing a speedy restoration of peace to the region and Tigray!
      HTG

    • saay7

      Selamat T.Kifle:

      Quick note to welcome you back. Been thinking about you and Fanti Ghana lately: hope you and your fam have been spared the latest version of Ethiopian orgy of barbarism. I hope it’s all over soon: after all, the New Agey Pastor in charge of your country has proclaimed to his rubber stamp parliament the war now is just to capture 12 people. And Eritrea is in Ethiopia because it has concerns the 12 people will wage a counter offensive. And (breaking news) stop whining about rape after you attacked the Northern Command using daggers, when they were naked. Or something.

      saay

      • Abi

        Hello Saay
        USA went to Afghanistan looking for one person. Your selective memory is nearing a dangerous level. PMAA and the federal army has every right and obligation to finish the job eradicating the remaining weyane thugs.

        • saay7

          Abiy:

          You are not making the point you think you are making.

          The US and the Taliban are negotiating

          You will understand it in 7-8 years: per the Ethiopian calendar.

          saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            My point is if the USA went to Afghanistan to kill one person ( Osama Terrorist Biladen) , why it is a big deal if Abiy finish off the remaining 12-15 weyane thugs?
            Of course, you don’t remember or conveniently forgot the event.

          • saay7

            Abiy:

            Whatever you say:)

            By the way since I am the one who gave you the “Leul Ras” title, it’s been withdrawn and you are now ኣጋር probably in the irregular army. Why because you and all Abiyists compare Ethiopia with USA (ባሜርካን ሀገር….begin most of your sentences.). You are an extremely poor country depending on foreign aid for your annual budget and war is the most destructive of all endeavors.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saaytanic
            Thanks for the timely reminder. I almost forgot we are still poor. I need አጋር like you periodically remind me that Ethiopia is poor. አጋር ለመቼ ነው? በዚህ እንኳን እንረዳዳ እንጂ!
            I don’t see any difference between The Rich USA and the poor Ethiopia when it comes to ሉአላዊነት and National interests.
            In case you forgot, PMAA tried his best to avoid the war.

          • saay7

            Agar Abi:

            Mentioning Ethiopia is poor is only to say poor countries must decide where to allocate their resources and most of the sane ones rule out war. Your PM used same rationale to explain why he is not going to war with Sudan and why he is not hiring lobbyist to argue his case. Of course Abiy being Abiy he lied about the latter: he did hire a lobbying group and the Digital Weyane shamed the lobbying group into dropping their client by showing them what their client is up to (war crimes) on his own people.

            That you can’t be too poor to go to war was last said before Abiy by….. Meles, in the middle of a drought. Abiy just said I will see your drought and raise it by a pandemic. So nothing changes in Ethiopia which is why you are always poor and at war. No wonder you identify so much with Isaias: he has the exact same mentality and just look at what he has done to our Eritrea.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            Last reminder for people suffering from short term memory loss.
            PMAA did everything to avoid the war. He begged the Tplf leaders to keep their looted assets and stay away from his government. Instead, they chose to go to war hoping to come victorious and assuming power they lost through the አገር በቀል mass movements. They lost their lives and loots in the process.
            The mass movement you only wish replicated in your country.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear T,Kifle,

      This is to welcome you. Welcome dear it is nice to watch.and I hope the remaining will come back soon too,

      KS,,

    • T. Kifle

      Dears
      SAAY, HTG and KS,

      Thank you very much for welcoming me and for the well wishes!

      This is the most devastating war ever conducted in recent history since WWII both in extent and behaviour of the warring parties
      no family is spared no matter which corner of the state they live. But we are used to it by now. Death is no more the death we felt it was few months back! Every death and abuse mine and the bigger Tigrean Family are enduring as we speak can’t be explained by any of the standard books in town. But for sure much of the hurdles are now behind us!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam T. Kifle,

        Glad to see you here.
        From your description it appears even worse than I imagined.
        I was so fearful where it all was headed months before it began. It was a real life nightmare I couldn’t wake up from.
        I have a tendency to try to see through the ground level reality. I can say I am actually depressed about the whole circumstance and can’t think straight.
        That is why I don’t even comment to the provocative insults, mocks and cheap points from our own saay.
        I wish you well and strength in the times to come, with grace.

        Mr. K.H

        • Abi

          Hello Mr Kim
          Saay is the most confused person in this website who specializes in insulting Ethiopia and its leaders current or past.
          He is jumping from “democratic coup” to reform the government to confederation with Ethiopia to Government in Exile… He has his own Spring Project .

        • T. Kifle

          Selamat Mr. Kim,

          Thank you dear for understanding and the feeling is mutual.

          You know, many people in Ethiopia are blinded with intently crafted hatred to see the scorched earth policy of this government which puts the country on the brink of disintegration. Engaging in war is one thing and destroying everything that the Tigrean livelihood depends on is totally another thing.
          I am not complaining but playing by the rules would be what one expects to the minimum. And good meaning people show solidarity with those in the receiving end. I believe you are one of them.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ዝዓበየ ጸገም ኣብ መጻኢት ኤረትራ
    ትዘሰክፍ ሓቂ ጠፊኣ
    ተሓቢኣ
    ትመስል

    ዓበይቲ
    ኣሰለትን ገበልን ከለው
    ናብ ናይ ጎረቤት ሃገር
    ጠባብቕን ኣትማንን ዘማዕድው
    ይበዝሑ ‘ለዉ

    ተቓወምቲ ኢና ‘ናበሉ
    ንተቓወምቲ ዝቃወሙ
    ከም በዓል ሶፍያ-ጌደዎን ይሕሹ
    ኣቡኡ ዘፍለጠ ኣነጺሮም
    ዲያብሎስ-ገደም ዝድግፉ
    ዝስዕቡ

    ሞት ከም ኣዳም! መትከልካ ‘ነጽር
    ወይ ክትስዓር ወይ ክትስዕር
    ኔው በሎ ድልዱል ሰብ
    ምስ የዒንቱ ዝዓውር
    ከይሓፈረ ‘ምበር ከኣ
    ኣለና! ኢሉ ይግዕር

    ሃየ ሕጂ
    ብጻዮም ኮለኔል-ኣቢ ኣተንፊሱ
    ኣብ ሃገርና ኣትዮም ሰራዊት ናይ ኢሱ

    ክብል
    ቦጭቕ ኣበለ
    መርዛም ዘረባ ‘ያ ንዘስተውዓለ

    ብዓል መሃንዘል ‘ኳ ኣበይ ከይስቆሮም
    ካቦ ጎቦ-ገደም ስለዘይተነግሮም
    ከብዶም ሓቚፎም
    ስጋዕ ዝሕበሮም
    ከም ብሓድሽ ከደናግሮም
    ካላስ ካላስ ይኣኽለኒ
    ስለ ዘይስቆሮም

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Efforts to establish a Government in Exile, for the sake of credibility, should (while time still permits), consider deferring action until after Ethiopian election processes.

    • haileTG

      Hey Dongolo, that is many months down the road, very unlikely Isaias will be around by then. May be both our elections will be on the same time:)

    • Barolle

      Hi Donqoro,

      Yes, the GiE should definitely listen to your advice. Your credibility is next to none, a true role model and the people’s champion.

  • Barolle

    Selam readers,

    We often come across posts stating that there are Eritreans that run TPLF errands, that they’re in their pocket. Why is there no mention about Eritreans that seemingly work for the current Ethiopian government? Pro tip, you can recognize them by their affinity to always protect their masters before their own country.

  • said

    Greeting
    Abi and alike
    Admission by Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed. Atrocities have been committed in Tigray, Abiy appears to acknowledge that serious crimes have taken place in Tigray,
    Report by Al Jazeera today .Ethiopia PM admits ‘atrocities committed’ during Tigray conflict
    “Compassion for all creatures is what really makes human beings human”, said the German-French physician, philosopher and pacifist Albert Schweitzer (1875 to 1965).

    With your humor, cheek, and audacity, War, political, economic and social turmoil in Ethiopia is causing great concern. Leaving aside what you call fabricated reports and fake news, that is your views, the report you dismissed ,as the fantasy propaganda spread by Ethiopian enemy ,that when the fact do not agree with you . without doubt there is substantial evidence showing Ethiopian Atrocities have been committed and Amhara Militia participation in war in Tigray as the reported by world media and international NGO in the ground and foreign governments and their national intelligence are well aware, coordinated by those officials and others. Eritrean involvement is beyond a doubt ? .
    War consequence called it Collateral damage, the war currently raging in Tigray .is one against the civilian population
    innocent Tigranes have paid an unimaginable price. Over the last five month, their province has been utterly destroyed. Their infrastructure collapsed and cherished communities have been obliterated by their own government, . They have lost loved ones in extraordinarily high numbers. Million has been displaced internally , with sixty thousand now living as refugees in Sudan. We Eritrean peace loving, we stand up against the criminal rulers of our region and their accomplices. and state repression is being normal for years , we will not be allowed as Eritrean to be used for the war Ethiopian civil war and not used in behave of Ethiopia, NO to the war, yes to peace dialogue, where war and crime are the order of the day in Tigray . It is awfully sickening and frightening to see how the lack of understanding sympathy, kindness ,compassion and to our fellow Ethiopian neighbor and our own humanity today leads to countless people of our region being left alone in their suffering through no fault of their own, because fellow Ethiopian citizens are only interested in their own daily concerns and take less and less interest in the fate of their fellow Tigranes suffering and being ignored as human beings, their brothers and sisters in humanity ..

    • Abi

      hello said
      Court adjourned until the prosecutors bring new evidence.
      So far, all the fake evidence has been debunked with minimal effort.

      You should have advised your beloved Tplf friends not to attack the National army. The thugs and their looting and criminal partners will be wiped out from the face of Ethiopia. Soon peace will reign in Tigray with the thugs six feet under the rocks. Those hiding in the Sudan refugee camps will soon face the same justice like their mentors. Now, if you will, wipe down your crocodile tears and focus on the GiE.
      The End.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abi,

        I recommend everyone to listen to the full PM’s answer. For those who don’t understand Amharic, aan media network has translated the main points relating to Eritrea into tigrigna.

        • Abi

          መምህር
          His Excellency PMAA nailed it!!!
          I’m enjoying the self appointed prosecutors, jurors and judges of Awatenation scramble to spin what Abiy has said.
          Proud of PMAA.
          ረጅም እድሜ ከተሟላ ጤና ጋር ለንጉሥ አብይ አህመድ!!!

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Abi,
            I am wondering because yiu and I thought there are no foreign troops in Ethiopia and now our joint dear prime minister demolished that. We’re we wrong or he is lying to us?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            You are right on the “dearest “ and “greatest “ part and wrong on “ “demolished” one. You are making notable progress.

            You are also right in “were we wrong “ part and wrong in “he is lying “ part. You need to work a little harder here. 50/50 is not a passing score.

            What he said was that the Eritrean soldiers were in the boarder area that were left vacant by the Ethiopian army. He didn’t affirm that the Eritrean or Ethiopian army committed war crimes. However, he showed his utmost gratitude for the people of Eritrea and the decisive leadership shown by የክፉ ቀን ደራሽ መሪ PIA. ኢሱ ኬኛ!!!
            There is no where in his remarks he mentioned that the Eritrean army was involved in the war.
            I advise you to pack your patience and wait for the completion of the investigation.
            We have witnessed time and again the fake stories propagated by the weyane friendly outlets being debunked one after the other.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat Abi,
            while the USA talking with the Ethiopian government in Addis, the Amhara civilian people was getting killed/attacked in the Shewa Robit region.
            What do you make of this:-
            is this a coincident or
            intentionally showing disregard to the international community effort for peace?
            fake news
            work of tplf
            Ethiopia being at war with itself
            OLF separation seeking attention.

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

      • Simon Kaleab

        Abi,

        Would you allow independent bodies such as the UN and the EU to have unrestricted access to the Tigray region to establish the truth?

        • Brhan

          Hi Simon,
          I believe you missed the news but the UN got a green light to investigate. United Nations human rights chief Michelle Bachelet has agreed to an Ethiopian request for a joint investigation in the country’s northern Tigray region, where Bachelet says possible war crimes may have been committed. The news of March 18, 2021.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            Greenlight to the UN investigation is appropriate. But it should not be a joint venture with the Ethiopians, as they are one part of the accused and it will give them an opportunity to tamper with evidence.

    • Brhan

      Hello Said,
      PM. A. Ahmed Ali admitted what many, in this forum , have said since, November 2020 that DIA has sent soldiers to in Ethiopia and atrocities have been committed.
      I wonder what is Osman Saleh doing with his words that he said to the world?

      • Barolle

        Selam Brhan,

        I was expecting much more traction on the forum after the news came out, but people are quite as a whistle.

        Brhan, I would like you to explain how Eritreans, of which many are half Tigrayans, can be accused of ethnic cleansing? I am honestly interested in understanding the logic behind an accusation like that. If, however, you choose to say the Amharas, or other ethnic groups from Ethiopia did it, then it would be logically plausible.

        Why is it Ethiopia and PMAA gets away unscaved and Eritrea takes the blame for everything? Does that not interest you, or does it not matter as long as PIA is removed? Brhan hawey, explain how constantly trashing Eritrea by making Tigrayans hate us for generations to come will help your/our cause?

        Thank you!

        • Brhan

          Merhaba Barolle,

          On people are quite
          1) People are quite because they are letting the rule of law say its verdict: who committed what: Ethnic cleansing is not the only issue, here you have “war crimes” ” atrocities” etc. It is can of warms.
          So PMAA did not get away, he will be investigated too!

          On hate for generation
          3) You last statement, I know it is a challenge, but from day one of the war, many Eritreans, have shown their solidarity with the people of Tigray . War is bad but peace makes one of war’s BAD consequences , hate, evaporate.
          My take to Said’s comment
          2) My take was about misinformation. FM Osman Saleh and PMAA misinformed Eritrea and Ethiopia , respectively. The former said from day one “we are not interfering” which the later gave similar message “not one Eritrean soldier is Eritrea”.
          The newcomer, PMAA can’t be trusted.

          • Barolle

            Selam Brhan,

            If war crimes have been commited by the Eritrean and Ethiopian army, it truly would be nothing but horrendous. However, IA and AA should be blamed and not the armies. Can you imagine that the Tigrayans are hating Eritreans more than the ones they are actually having a war with? Should Eritreans help AA on that endeavour to push the final nail on the coffin, so to speak?

            I wish for peace and stability as I have argued for countless times. The reason for vilifying Eritrea from day one, both from TPLF and the opposition, was to get the intervention we see today in Ethiopia and for the removal of IA. To some the end justifies the means, but the outcome can jeopardize Eritreas very existence. The removal in tandem with creating surronding ourselves with enemies is not a winning concept. Have you spoken with Tigrayans in Ethiopia lately? They think Eritrea is responsible for everything and have stolen everything in Tigray. It is ridiculos, but a very worrying trend.

            No politician can be trusted.

          • Brhan

            Selam Barolle,
            Always the top leaders are to be blamed not the 10 ሓለቃ 50 ሓለቃ
            I have followed news and info that were echoing what PM A. Ahmed Ali said today. Do not you think that he admitited today due to local or/and outside pressure?
            Thanks,

          • Barolle

            Selam Brhan,

            Don’t you think that he admitited today due to local or/and outside pressure?

            He certainly admitted because of the pressure you mentioned, and as Berhe Y foretold he would.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Brhan,

        Abiy received the fake Nobel Peace prize, now he deserves to get a fake Oscar from Hollywood for his recent theatrical performance.

  • Barolle

    Selam readers,

    Yesterday was a good day to be a reader. A lot of quality posts were made that informed and entertained. Hopefully we’ll have more of that today as well. Also, it’d be nice if the lurkers, especially the very opinionated ones, could participate.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear saay 7 and all, I noted Saay 7 saying “ሕልሚ ደርሆ”,

    …….ሕልሚ ደርሆ……2 (new collections)

    ቂቅ ቂቅ !!!!!! እንታይ ደርሆ በሉ –
    ዶርሆስ እኳ በቲ ስርዓት ባህሉ-

    ኣራዊት ዘገዳም ከታልሉ –
    ሕጊ ዘይገዝኦም ብምንታይ ይምሕሉ –
    ብምንታይ ይዳነዩ ብምንታይ ይሽምገሉ ::

    ዓጂብዎም ምሕል ጥሕል –
    ዘረባ እንከሎ “ነብስኻ ምኽኣል” –
    ኣብ ክንዲ ዝብልዎ ህዝቢ ምቅታል –
    . . . . . . . . ኣብ ጀላቡ ሓዊ ቃልቃል –
    . . . . . . . .. .ኩሊትካ ምዝንጣል –

    ልውስውስ ዝበለ ድኹም ገይረሞ –
    ካብ ምውቅ ናብራን ሓደርን ፍልዮሞ –
    ነቲ ጉሩህ ሕልሚ ደርሆ ኣሕሊሞሞ –
    ካብ ዝጠመየት ላም ጻባ ኣሕሊቦሞ ::

    ሻቡ ሕላሚ ደርሆ ዘኪረ –
    ናይ ቁልዕነት ጸዋታ ዝነበረ –
    ከም ዋዝ ቁም ነገር ቃላተይ ደርዲረ ::

    ይበሃል ዶ ይባህል ? እወ ይበሃል ? Lol

    01.ይበሃል ዶ ባሃል እወ ብሃል?
    …ሃገር ክትምዕብል መጻኢ ወለዶ ክሓልፈሉ፦
    …እዞም ሕጂ ዘለና ደኺምና ንቐርበሉ፡

    …ግን ከ፧
    … ሃገር ክትመዕብል መጻኢ ወለዶ ክሓልፈሉ፦
    …እዞም ሕጂ ዘለና ፍጹም ንጽነተሉ፡

    …ይብሃል ዶ ይ በሃል፡ እወ ይበሃል?

    ………እንዳ ህግደፍ እንታይ ዘይብሃል፡
    ………………ዝሰዓቦም ድንዙዝ ሰንፈላል፡
    …………………….ንሕና ምስ ጠፋእና ድኣ ኣበይ ኣሎ እቲ ዕሸል?

    02. ይበሃል ዶ ባሃል እወ ይብሃል፡
    …ባዕዳዊ ገዛኢ ካብ ሃገር ነባርር፡
    …መስዋእቲ ከፊልና ብሰላም ንሓድር፡

    …ግን ከ፧
    …ባዕዳዊ ጸላኢ ካብ ሃገር ካብ ወጸ፡
    …ወዲ ሃገር ድሓን እንተዓመጸ፡

    …ይብሃል ዶ ይበሃል፡ እወ ይበሃል፡
    …. . . .እንዳ ህግደፍ እንታይ ዘይብሃል፡

    …. . . . . . . .ዝሰዓቦም ደንቆሮ እዩ ዓንጃል፣
    …. . . . . . . . .. . . .ትርጉም ኣልቦ መሬት ምምቃል፡

    03.ይበሃል ዶ ባሃል፧ እወ ብሃል፡
    …ጀግና ንሃገሩ በጃ ኮይኑ ይወድቕ፡
    …ህይወቱ ከፊሉ ጽሓይና የብርቕ።

    …ግን ከ፦
    …ጀግና ንሃገሩ በጃ ኮይኑ ይወድቕ፡
    …ድሓር ተኣሲሩ ኣብ ኮንታይነር ይደርቕ፡
    …ይብሃል ዶ ይበሃል፡ እወ ይበሃል፣

    ……..እንዳ ህግደፍ እንታይ ዘይብሃል፡
    ……………….ዝሰዓቦም ወያል ድሁል።

    ……………….ክድምሰስ እዩ ድልየታት ህግደፍ፡
    … . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ሕልሚ ደርሆ ኮይኑ እዩ ክተርፍ።

    ብኮኾብ ሰላም

    • haileTG

      Semamat KS… a fast one —

      ጸርጊ ጽድያ፥ በኣጋኣ ኣትያ፤
      ኣንጭዋ ገዛ፥ ‘ታይ ክትብልያ፤
      ብናይ ግዳም አንድያ ወጽያ፤

      ኣይገርምን’ዶ፥

      እቲ ብኣና ዝጎደለ፥
      ኣቦይዝጊ መሊኡልና’ኮ ኣንታ ሃይለ፤
      ሕጂ ደኣ ከደ’ኮ ነገር ቀለለ፤
      ኢደይ ኢድካ ‘ደኣ፥ ንቅበሮ ጽላለ።

      HTG

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Saay and awatista,

    It seems the “school of thought” concept that is espoused at the organizational root of the GiE idea floated by saay is creating confusion among some. I think saay has done more than expected to clarify it, however I understand we all catch on according to our pace and inclinations. Saay can further clarify but my understanding is that contemporary Eritrean political linages trace their origins to ELF/EPLF. This does not imply, as I understand, one has to be aligned to those organizations. For example, Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran churches trace their beginnings to orthodox. Judaism, Christianity, Islam are Abramic religions. They are theistic schools of thought, does not mean they are the same. Eastern religions are atheistic schools of thought, yet not all the same. Similarly, in politics there is the conservative vs liberal schools of thought across wide spectrum. So, it is understandable that temperatures are raising in some quarters. Can we at least, discuss and hammer out what exactly school of thought is. This ties in well with Saay’s call to raise the intellectual level of discussions. What do awatista understand by school of thought?

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haile TG

      My understanding is “school of thought” refers to EPLF/ELF political ideologies. There were a few more un answered questions during the discussion. It would be great if Awate forum moderates an organized discussion. Beside “school of thought” here are a few discussion items I felt needed clarifications and my thoughts on them.

      1. How to acquire “Legitimacy”, is it necessary to get? from whom?

      Yes we need legitimacy(recognition) in my opinion first from which ever individual countries. Ato Hirruy said Ethiopia, The Sudan and Yemen recognized his proposal in the early 2000. Being recognized does not mean being accepted as GiE, but a step to get political and logistical support.

      2.Where would it be launched?

      I would say to launch in the US and branch out strategically. Ato Hiruy’s prior knowledge would be a handy reference.

      3. How do we deter the formation of other GiEs

      There is a little chance for the countries to accept multiple organizations. Who ever is qualified will be recognized. The more recognitions from influential countries the more our people identify with it. We can not say Eritrean field can not support others.

      4. Is GiE the best identification

      I read an essay by Stefan Talmon titled who is a legitimate government in exile? in a nutshell he writes the recognition is in progress. Since it doesn’t govern a territory, it can start by representing the aspirations of the people. At this stage multiple organizations can be recognized as such. After their do diligence process, the GiE will be the sole representative of the people and it will be identified as a legitimate representative of the people and get the support.

      Finally, this GiE initiative( project) has steered many of us. I concur with professor Araya Debessay regarding the Yiakl movement. In fact I was happy to hear him appreciate the movement for he was the one who labored on it for longtime. I believe this will accelerate the Yiakl movement.

      P.S Please start studying Italian building codes if you are going to work on restoring and renovating Asmara buildings. I have witnessed a building next to Dahlak hotel demolished due to Min Hintsas fualt.

      • haileTG

        Hey Aman Y (haha..don’t get me laughing with that demolish job, some of things I notice at home are pure jokes)

        The points you raised are very thoughtful,I hope they are taken up quickly and decided upon (especially #2). #3 is is very interesting, multiplicity of GiE would be a fatal risk for the whole process. As regards #4, I truly hope that our political attitude (most movements) shifts to “How can I help?” from “what do you want from me?” Attitudinal change, I believe, would accelerate once the regime falls because it is a truly mean spirited entity that has blinded its supporters by inspiring them to normalize cruelty. Hence, we have a traumatized populace that needs time and space to safely heal.

        Thanks

    • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

      Selam Haile TG
      What prompted to raise such a question after a month of promoting the GIE puts some positivity and sensibility to the endeavor. Saay has clearly rationalized his thoughts for the need of a GIE based on the legitimacy issue, the critical political situation we are in, the need for galvanizing a concerted responses, etc.
      But the explanation given by Mr. Saleh Gadi’s interview with SBS TV shocked me to the core. With due respect, appreciation and admiration for an accomplished author, story teller, activist and fighter for justice, it would be wrong not to correct lapses that would have detrimental consequences.
      It seems there is a lack of clarity of thoughts among the co- promotors/ spo nsors of the proposal or departure from the earlier blueprint.
      As I clearly put in my earlier post, Saay’s proposal is not perfect but in the absence of any other better one, we ought to make it work and save our people/country ( shortcuts are not desirable but at times imperative).
      1. Legitimacy: Lack of leadership had been our Achilles heels for building for building a United front against the illegitimate government. With the historical legitimacy both the ELF and EPLF have, forming a GIE would be mustered without much hiccups. That was the genuis of the proposal.
      2. Both the ELF and EPLF are genuine liberation fronts that fought for Eritrea’s Independence. Tracing their roots back to the free- Eritrea and pro- Ethiopian divide of the 40’s is a historical travesty. Both fronts started an armed struggle against the Ethiopian colonizers. At no time has anyone of the fronts had been a pro-Ethiopian front as Mr. Gadi insinuated in his interview with SBS. It is a grave mistake that would create a huge wedge for forming a GIE.
      3. The philosophical thought of ELF and EPLF vis-a-vis the journey we are embarking into should be looked from a broader context. The philosophical thoughts that separates the two parties straddles from ideological, political, policy and programs to may be power struggles. Be as it may, we have two distinct parties, which at this should be recognized as a relevant fulcrum for the transition we aspire.
      4. It is very simplistic to categorize people who support the 1997 constitution and those who don’t as EPLF and ELF supporters respectively. Likewise, it is naive to think all who support the current flag are EPLF supporters while those who prefer the blue flag as ELF supporters. Making such an imaginary divide to define people is counterproductive. We should a knowledge and respect that people endowed with reason, principles, stands, convictions and independenc of thoughts of their own. For example, I believe the ratified constitution to be in place until a new constitution comes into effect through the proper process.i believe this because I don’t want another power hungry demagogue (like the king-dictator Abiy type) jump into power. With regard to the flag, I do not consent with either the current flag nor the blue one. To me, as an Eritrean, both flags do not reflect or portray the historical journey the Eritrean people have undergone. This is an issue that will be settled by the future Baito of the popular government of Eritrea.
      5. If we want to make significant progress with the GIE, we should be very cautious, unambitious and inclusive. Most of all, be mindful of the pitfalls of the winner takes it all mentality and the changing demography. Wishing you all success, God bless Eritrea.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Weldegebriel,

        Thanks for this great piece. First off, rest assured, I throw my fullest support to GiE and the way saay has proposed it – letter and spirit. This is one of saay’s great masterpieces in hitting the right idea at the right time. He is amazing!

        I very much agree with a lot of the points you made, whichever camp they put you, sign me up for that one:-) However, I really don’t have opinion on what SGJ said or needs to say, with all respect for everyone out there, we need to calm down, let’s use our time wisely.

        On the point of school of thought, my belief is that some time we need to take extra time and effort to really clarify the context and usage of a terminology or concept. For example, school of thought is not exactly Sine Hasab in tigrigna as far as what sine Hasab seems to imply. You could be in the same school of thought and advance different sine hasab [conservative or progressive conservative] many variations like that. Clarity, happens with time. If saay needs to repeat himself 10 times, let it be so because the result is rewarding and profitable to the whole process. I also consider that there is a distinction between school of thought vs ideology. Allowing for a thorough examination will not only help to clarify things but advance our baseline.

        I am totally with you on the pitfalls as you outlined them.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Many of the same people (TPLF cronies) who were apart of miserably failed attempts to set-up Eritrean Governments in Exile in 2002 and 2008 are again shameless at it again. The few that for appearance sake, splintered from main opposition base camps shortly after PMAA came to power, are fooling nobody in their attempt to appear as ‘new’. Basing a GIE in part upon an a greatly antiquated ELF in 2021, is simply a joke.

  • Haile S.

    Selam MoKsi,

    A fitting image for a fitting discourse. The ሃሪ ማዕተብ colored map is beautiful. A map separated from its environment so that everyone concentrates on it, not on its its surroundings. Here is a fitting song as well by the legendary singer. Enjoy!
    https://youtu.be/40glLBxbbfE

    • haileTG

      Hey Moksey!

      Here is a song I would like to dedicate to all and those setting out to the huge task of founding the GiE. It is a song I listened to a lot while driving from Asmara to Massawa… Enjoy!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rb3Bvgqd6I

      • saay7

        Hey Haile TG:

        Love you but the song sucks, with all due respect to your memories and how phenomenal you have been in ‘splaining the GiE!

        As for your moksis link to Bereket Mengesteab song, I do a fairly decent impression of Bereket and um all his songs are the same 🙂 I just need the high pitched back up singers to help me.

        As for Horn of Africa’s Yogoslovia (Ethiopia), time will tell whether their Serbians will stitch it together. When they are in charge, they huff and they puff so much, they look like they will hold it together forever, and when they fall apart one wonders how they held it together for so long.

        መለይ ጠሊማ
        እንታይ ኮን ጸገማ

        saay

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Saay,

          I agree haileTH has been splendid.

          You have very high standard of choosing your music style. For example, for all the years how much you you loved wedi Tikabo and his songs. To be honest I didn’t find his songs all that great that goes inside (ab wushti ASmey), the one exception is when Saleh Gadi shared his song, GuE leminey, since then I come to appreciate it.

          Would love to see you sing one day..

          Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            Trust me, you would *not* want to hear me some day, based on the review from my friends.

            To appreciate Wedi Tkabo, turn off the music and read his lyrics. They are layered, dense and obsessed with our first love: Eritrea. Then add his gravely voice to it. The music on the other hand is just average. My dad, RIP, who never understood my obsession with him once told me “why don’t you just read a newspaper?”

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            You dad is amazing and his comments made me laugh. I wouldn’t be able to come up with something like that, I felt his songs are all “zereba”, I think I mentioned to iSem (speaking of iSem, I am going to bug him to poke on your thesis, as in house bad boy to test the limits) once, I am sure he remembers everything. Now I don’t feel bad, as I am not the only one. Speaking of his lyrics, I admit I really loved his first song “nimen tefqri” I even attempted to learn the lyrics, very rare occasion for me, where I am mostly with the dim dim crowd.

            I watched partly the debate of Huruy and Dr. Awet. I was saying all these years how you are a leader, but Dr. Awet was referring you as “Hasabay – thinker”, which I think I can live with now.

            HaileTG has been amazing abd I hope you will stick around and continue to make reasonable arguments, and as you have noted, and he is super cool. I mean Obama kind of coolness, and I hope he has that kind of calmness in his ability to speak.

            I think you have to pull the strings required to appoint him to be MOI for GiE.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Haha Berhe Y:

            The Herui Tedla Bairou-Dr.Awet debate was later on joined by Dr. Amanuel Mehreteab and Dr. Araya Debessay. It is 2 1/2 hours long so for those who didn’t watch it and won’t be able to, here’s the takeaway:

            1. Herui T Bairou: a government in exile is necessary, because no foreign power is going to talk to exiled opposition because they can’t differentiate between armed groups and liberation movement, but it should not be a coalition of Jebha-Shaebia Schools of Thought. (His question: WHAT school of thought was not adequately answered?) And he wants it known that he introduced the idea of GiE back in 2002 (which he did.)
            2. Dr. Awet was invited to address the drawbacks of GiE which he did. Of all the guests, I think he stuck closest to the agenda of the meeting: discuss the pros and cons of GiE.
            3. Dr. Amanuel, who was a listener who was invited to speak, said he prefers something other than government – a Council of Diaspora–one that has nothing to do with Jebha-Shaebia.
            4. Dr. Araya Debessay believes there is already a grassroots movement which is structured from city, country and now global (Yiakl.)

            It was a conversation of the educated and literate, a welcome break from the screechers and flag-wrapped-clowns.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            I heard some of it and specifically the points listed. It seemed to me that the topic they were suppose to support and debate with, a little bit reversed.

            Dr. Awet:

            If I understood it correctly, he was debating to find what’s “wrong for the GiE”. And on his opening, the point he highlighted was, what are the roles for people who do not be part of the two grouping and where they fall in.

            Huruy:
            I had assumed Huruy was debating what’s “right to have GiE” as opposing view to Dr. Awet. But he seemed to argue against of having the GiE in exile and put emphasis why now, why saay accepted it etc..even though Dr. Awet had done his best to explain and make a reasonable argument. His conclusion if I understood, he is not in favor of the two parties (ELF/EPLF) to be the costodians of future Eritrea as they have done a lot of damage.

            I didn’t hear Dr. Amanuel points but I heard to some of Prof. Araya. I think, he had the same approach that he had years ago, which is, let’s all united and let’s form united front, now I understand he had the yiAkle grass roots as a means.

            Emnet Andu is one of the yiAkle members that I follow on FB. In the past few weeks, she has been spending lots of time defending her position, because all she said was “Let’s focus on Eritrea” from lots of yiAkle and other members.

            Now I think which was failed in the whole debate was, why you chose to start with the two traditional parties (ELE/EPLF) as a starting point instead of venturing and including others. It’s because (as you have explained it and I totally agree with) that they stance when it comes to Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity is never under negotiation. Both parties stand for Eritrea and Eritrea first approach without mixing our internal politics with outside. I can say this is true for the 99.99% of former ELF/ EPLF members and this gives them true credibility (no matter what their past weakness has been) to lead the way towards the transition.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            I know: but Herui T Bairou, though still very sharp, is over 80 and who is going to interrupt him. He is FOR GiE and in fact he said when he is dead, he wants people to remember him as the man who originated the idea of GiE. In fact he made very compelling cases for it; he just doesn’t agree with the proposal to make it an ELF-EPLF unity government. I see that as a challenge to persuade him.

            Dr Awet, as an academic, was trying to play by the rules of academic debate. But the hosts/moderators decided to make the debate more interactive and allowed their listeners to modify the agreed upon agenda. His task was to show the negatives of GiE and he did a good job but as a professor he was also try to make sure the listeners were focused on this specific GiE proposal and not GiE in the abstract.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            If I gave the impression that I didn’t enjoy the debate, I didn’t mean to. I was not sure his line of argument and I may have missed his opening remark.

            It’s the first time I have actually heard Huruy speaking and he does debate very, very elegantly.

            I think our debating style is getting matured and the moderators are doing a good job over all compared to qoyqa that we are use it. No body used ” teSeraE” so that’s a huge bonus.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Nothing to poke on the deep stuff that btsay Saay is “thesising” about. It is solid.
            But about the Wedi Tukabo lyrics, I do not find it appealing as you may have guessed it. But Saay is hiding this info you: that he loves the lyrics so much that, sometimes he recites them when he is breaking the bread when he happens to be the only grown up in the room. Particularly the song that goes like this: when they asked me where is his might, I told them his might is on his arms, I presumed, but I was not presuming, I was right. They asked me where is his might, I told them on his calves, but I was not assuming, I was certain.
            Even SGJ loves the sent of Lemon, in July of 2015 he wrote about it, SGJ bNegarit negiruna.
            I wrote my own lyrics, hope it makes it on the bread breaking ceremony that means a hit:-)

            tekal ewan derfi wedi Tukabo ab qursi bunna
            Gizie, gele gerka, anta gizie kemey gerka nwatta, wedi watta ab qurssi buna tsenberkayo
            Ata gizie, atensseni, smaani, nwatta new bello
            Gizie replies to isem

            watta watta aytibel, snettibie (art) ‘yu,

            tselot kab derfi ayfle
            poletica kab sbket aylile

          • saay7

            Nice iSem:

            That song, ኣብ ምንታይ’ዩ ሓይሉ will make a fan of even Berhe Y, and anyone who is fan of Tigrinya literature because it has clever combinations like ምቁር ዕረ and ናይ ቃንዛ ሓኸለ. It’s an ode to Eritreans. Highly empowering, recommended for any sports activity 🙂

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem…nice to see you!
            I never tried to translate those lyric stanzas, didn’t know how funny they sound in English!

            “when they asked me where is his might, I told them his might is on his arms, I presumed, but I was not presuming, I was right.”

            Isn’t that the crazy PFDJ logic — first presume, then if it goes well — say that you were not presuming —- rather you were right — because shaebia zeyfelTo neger yelen….wala nay CIA akeba wushti ztebahle shaebia tfelTo eya!…haha

          • iSem

            Hi Greatest Haile:
            Nice to see you back, hope you are well.
            Well, do not get me started with the EPLF, logic, ops, Sal keysemanna, I mean PFDJ. EPLF good, PFDJ bad encapsulates that illogic. So beware of calling shaebia logic illogical, shaebia logic was good, eziatom hgdef eyom. I am not sure about you but this logic is also as flawed as what you stated. But, do not study history, probably only Sal, BY maybe Ghezae Hagos knows what I mean by these contradictory sentences:-)
            So lets go nQdmit with creating the government in the refugee camps with EPLF oppostion and ELF because EPLF oppostion are the so different than PFDJ because they are bunch who allowed ther mouse to infect the injera so the mogogo survives. For God’s sake Mogogo is made up of clay and soil for free, we are so adept at it,
            You see once you start the illogic flows

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            Shaebia was an instrument for bringing Eritrean liberation. When the entire world, including Black Africa, said nope that will never happen, there has never been and there will never be a breaking up of a State, the one we admire at that, this never been colonized state called Ethiopia, Shaebia succeeded in its single goal: bringing about Eritrean independence, one recognized by the world, its flag waving at the UN.

            PFDJ had one single goal: it was about nation building. To create a state at peace with itself and all its neighbors, a developing nation that takes full advantage of the Human Resources—the ingenuity creativity of the people who brought its independence. So that it develops and prospers. And it has been a catastrophic failure by every single metric and all it has done and is still doing is blaming the entire world for its failure. This is why it is hysterical when the supporters of this government of PFDJ, the symbol of failure in every sector, accuse the Eritrean opposition of failing.

            EPLF, (1971-1994) succeeded. PFDJ (1994-present) has failed. One is an icon for success; the other is an avatar for catastrophic failure. That alone is a huge differentiator between the two.

            saay

          • Dongolo

            Selam saay7. You say ‘This is why it is hysterical when the supporters of this government of Isaiais, the symbol of failure in every sector, accuse the exiled Eritrean opposition of failing 🤣’. Problem is that you seem to group all of those that heavily criticize the exiled Eritrean opposition of failing as PIA/PFDJ supporters when many are not. By only concentrating on your main objective and automatically discounting legitimate heavy criticisms, you are preventing your initiative from gaining populist momentum.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay,

            Don’t worry about my friend iSem to much, and leave your argument with him to music and arts.

            iSem,
            BY recommends that you listen the interview of Ahmed AlQeysi (who you told me who he was in the first place) at fanus network and it will help to see the argument from other side and leave Saay alone or tell him story that makes him laugh.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Now some people are barred and unqualified to debate politics and should only be engaged only in music and art?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            No, not exactly. You are invited to poke a whole in his GiE thesis (as in today / now) but you lie to go to nebere/nebere:), which is why I recommend the history lessons for you:).

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            you mean to teach history lessons to those who do not know about one of the co-founders of EPLF and the secret party Ahmed Queysy thanks for the business lead. I will think about it, but will be pricey

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            Yes. Sometimes some people have to take the course again and again as they never paid attention.

            Honestly though I know why EPLF was EPLF, because of people like him, which is why Saay proposal make compelling case and support his thesis.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            And there is limit, there is something called dismissal:-)
            I have no objection, cannot pole holes in Sal’s proposal. For history students, it am on record supporting it when he first came up with it. He identified a gap and innovated on the idea with deliverables and time. It is good.

          • iSem

            i Sal:
            I was not going to label your crisp narration, most of it true as romanticizing
            I believe that the may 24 (also known as independence/liberation day by some, and known as the day the Ethiopian or Amhara were defeated by some :-)) because of the individual sacrifices of Eritreans.
            I also believe that the Goal of EPLF’s head was never for May 24. I can narrate volumes to support that claim. One example is what you already debated once about what MHagos let out when pressed by Beyene. And many examples. Remember way before gov in exile you had a different proposal: crash the head of the sake and then attach a human head to the body and the snake will become human
            Let me narrate to you that the head also headed EPLF. So, like the “Kuda” we go back to were we started. I mean in our debates regarding this. I believe that PFDJ did not just spring in 1994 and the dichotomy, the nuance is not valid, PFDJ was there. It did not become catastrophic as you said because the prevailing situation: the yearning for independence of Eritrea, the change of guard in Ethiopia did not allow it. So I see fallacy in the argument that the once head whose goal was to liberate Eritrea would tell high echelons to create one government with TPLF (on the eve of so called independence). I find hard to believe that the head of the current catastrophic events had dreams for independent Eritrea while he disappears its founding fathers and now. It doe not make sense for the leader of EPLF to say in 1993 that he is willing to consider confederation with Ethiopia if his goal was to liberate Eritrea. May 24 happened because of the unyielding creativity, dedication on the individual Eritrea, an incremental crescendo of success that started in 1961, despite the sabotage of EPLF’s head, otherwise known as IA. As I told MS I clearly delineate here, so some people need to get out of their hang up of EPLF vs PFDJ fallacy, the good vs bad police.
            The fact that everyone said May 24 will not happen is anachronism.
            Now you can argue that what is the advantage of this history, sounds like typical ELF, you will mutter and be tempted to forward me S. Harsetay’s lengthy talk and comparing it to the “go getter” EPLF. My response is: I am not de-romatizing, I am reporting

            I will bet on YG will win: You wanna bet one cup of green tea:-)
            Judging will be by votes here?
            There is cold hard truth, that we should come to terms with: Eritreansim has been killed. It may rise but I do not know anyone who rose from the dead, the Christians say Jesus did, the Greeks say the Phoenix did. The sooner we embrace it the faster we can heal.

            Also, your memorable line of: Eritreans are fascinated by Eritrea and that is the reason we will win., but this is reminiscent of a parent thinking their child is the most special child that this word has even see. To make your day, i will gift you with a Tig adage that speaks to this: beal Adey liben qellil (unsophisticated), gual teweleda yibla zihlil wedi tewelda ybla elili, gin ‘ti wedi hadew ykewin fezaz woy zahlal:-)

            Ps. I hope you enjoy this comment, that tries weave together many things we debated, others may find it all over

          • haileTG

            Saay and Berhe!

            MoI??…EwaE ane’kua entezeyteshegir koyna, ministry Hinsta mHashetni! I can run real quick with expanding building restoration and new one’s alike. First thing to go is the only one PFDJ built – the ENIC building next to FIAT…. apparently it was put on the wrong place blocking a well executed architectural view. Thankfully, the pair of misplaced shida have been down (some drunk driver knocked them many years back). But renewing Asmara’s feel and appearance would serve therapeutic for millions of citizens who would be left to pick up their shuttered lives after the devil and his minions are no more.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear haileTG,

            እዛ ኩላ ኤርትራዊ ኣብ ዘይ ባልቦላ ናይ ፖሎቲካ ዕንክልል እንድያ ኣትያ ዘላ ካባይ ጀሚርካ።

            I would say, let’s start by fixing all that’s broken and we can think about ENIC building ke nerkbelu, adlayi ente Konyu…I would say leave it alone so that to teach our future architects how not to do building the PFDJ style.

            It would a good start if we can start with renewing the two buildings in Massawa, the governor house and the former bank but you probably have all that planned out.

            What I vision is, renovate the entire city of Asmara and build other side of the city completely new with high rise, with certain height to expand the city.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Saay,
            Somewhere at awate discussions, I read that Habib Koite one of your favorites. Mine too, in addition, to many West African singers who are internationally known artists. What is your thought of why, ours like Wedi Tikbo could not reach that level? Is it due to our music that is only limited to entertain the local listener. I do not know Bambara or Wolf ( and I think you don’t ), but their music is awesome. Do you think if Wedi Tikabo plays Jazz can attract international audience. South of the border , Mulatu Astake and Mahumd Ahmed achieved that due to Jazz.
            Thanks

        • Mez

          Good day Saay,
          1) Apropos “Horn of Africa’s Yugoslavia…” you miss the engine to equate both, namely: the humiliating defeat of nazy Germany SS-truppe and Wehrmacht (nazy Germany’s war machine) in former Yugoslavia in the WWII.
          2) you may tend replace the old Germany with the pretty much confused usa.
          2.1) if the usa comes into this hot conflict, then they first have to find out why they retreated shamefully from Somalia.
          3) Albite subtle, your pen pitches to favour tplf and co. Not good; if you like you may come out open and debate.
          4) on the GiE undertaking, I miss a simple but unifying message crisscrossing social class, geography, and the likes of the one nation called Eritrea; hate towards pia not by far enough.
          Thanks

  • Abi

    Hello Haile The Great
    Some years back ( may be 5-6) in your Oxford style debate with Vet Mahmud and T Kifle ( I was the moderator of that particular debate), you had almost an opposite stand. What you are saying now is what Vet Mahmud was promoting back then. As you remember, Vet Mahmud ( along with Saay) was a staunch supporter of reforming the government.
    Back then I brought the Ethiopian experience in the first days of eprdf government where life continued normally ( almost with no hiccups) to the most majority of the public. As an example l brought that salaries were paid on time during the transition period. To be exact, salaries were paid one week after ግንቦት 20.
    What happened during that debate was you and T Kifle whacked me left and right. Your argument was that Eprdf was a formidable force to control the country and restore order.
    Now, my question is which force/ forces are formidable enough to restore order and insure the continuity of government after Isu?
    What made you change your ኃይለኛ mind now despite Isu has millions more NNNN south of the border instead of determined and capable enemies?

    • haileTG

      Kibur Lij Abi,

      You are mostly right except one correction: I have never thought or argued that EPRDF is “formidable”. May be T.Kifle had that view, it goes against my self imposed vows to avoid conflating our issue with outside forces.

      That out of the way, yes you are correct that there seems to be an apparent U turn from my long held advocacy for civil uprising in Eritrea to uproot the regime of Isaias Afewerki (IA) and his front company the PFDJ. It is good question that you ask what changed now? In a nut shell – everything changed.

      The regime of IA has now entered a stage that we always feared. All variables indicate that his hold on power hangs in the question, Eritrean future predicated on outcomes of behind closed door deliberations of outsiders. The millions more supporters of IA south of the border are sure lukewarm in defending him when the one-million tonnes train of global condemnation is hurling towards him. To say that there is “credible evidence of Eritrean atrocity” and “we haven’t invited them” doesn’t ring anything more than a bamboo stick wall for a support:)

      Now that Eritrea is likely to undergo some change anyway, what would be the point to call for uprising and turmoil? Those were needed under the assumption that it was proving difficult to dislodge a regime supported by koboro junkies who would accuse us of treason for advocating for Lampedusa tragedy of refugees but equally accuse us of the same for not advocating for Tigray tragedy of refugees! We were faced with cult following beyond our means to rehabilitate, thus I called and supported for civil uprising to force change. Now, the Sh$t has hit the fan and change is within sight, it would be equally prudent to adjust the call towards that which plays in Eritrea’s greatest advantage.

      Finally, the means of change is tactics, it is not the strategic end in itself, hence changing and finetuning tactics is the right thing to do. This is why we are calling for all opposition and the Eritrean public at large to support the creation of GiE and our neighbors to extend the same curtesy to the Eritrean people as they do to their beloved Issu.

      • Abi

        ኃይላችን
        The term “ formidable “ was used by TKifle in controlling Ethiopia during the first days and weeks of Derg removal. Not in regards to the Eritrean situation. However, the common understanding was that you and TKifle were on the same page that in the event of removing Isuye, there was no entity ready to fill the gap. Still, I don’t know if there is any group or groups that is ready to assume power and fill the huge gap left by Isu, Inc. in order to continue governing with relatively normal standards.
        I also believe that Isu is a whole lot stronger and stable now than during our discussion some years back. I failed to see how he is weaker now than before. I see the exact opposite.
        I’m sure you are more informed in Eritrean situation than I do.

        • said

          Greetings, Abi
          Speaking of war and politics .Eritrea should have stayed out of the civil war in Ethiopia, It is in internal matter of Ethiopia, IA is absolutely wrong to let Eritrea conduct a war in behave of Ethiopia for many good reason, we do not want enmity with Tigran people ,we want good and peaceful neighborhoods with Ethiopia and every one .It concern only Ethiopian government , Sadly, this war in Tigray is not new, it is a continuation ,one way or another . Eritrea has no businesses in the on going war in Tigray. We have enough problems of our own internal issue, let alone get involved in war and sacrificing our solders in in Tigray . Because, in case you haven’t noticed, the IA and PFDJ war mindset is still with us, damn near everywhere. You named it, the list is long of the war monger that never ever ended . and just ask any Eritrean veterans that participated in number of wars . IA is known for his monstrous, murderous atrocity. The ignorance and arrogance of IA is limited less and he is not formidable the opposite is true .IA nearly always nauseating, and just gratuitously evil man.

          Abiy and IA in advancing their own ambitions, Ethiopia and Eritrea already closely cooperate in the military sphere. This speaks to you how much Abiy and IA trust one another. Their military cooperation I have previously speculated that such a scenario would be nightmarish for Eritrea .This on going war , “history of the present” is emerging and “uncharted landscape” that lies ahead. the History of the Present will profoundly impact relations between Eritrea and Ethiopia, the outcome would be completely counterproductive for Eritrea in long term. It can’t be known for sure, but it might very well be, It’ll remain to be seen what happens of course, Eritrean will find out soon enough what will ultimately happened.

          I am against top TPLF leadership that brought War to Tigray arrogantly and deadly foolishly . War could have being easily avoided. The victim of war of tens of Thousands upon thousands of innocent people paid the price — whose lives were worth just as mine and yours — they were murdered, , destroyed. And many Millions of lives were ruined. unimaginable horror and barbarity is happening and beyond imagination .Read yesterday new York time ,I hasted to put the link ,it horrible and barbaric to read .

          What would you do if one of your beloved person was viciously, brutally murdered in street of Asmara – and nothing was done to the killer , if the regime murderer went free, went on to live in comfort and privilege and power? How would you feel? Imagine that for a second – then contemplate and extrapolate it by tens of thousands on innocent dead people in Tigray . THAT is what this war is about and those who support of a war, need to reflect the cost of lives.

          That is to say, Generally speaking, I don’t like generalizations. Categorical thinking is not only dubious, but are not fact based and dangerously wrong . I am against the war .War is very ugly and barbarous and no Eritrean can be indifferent to the suffering of children, women and old people at our borders, suffering of people are real and no excuse of denial of reality what is taking places ,no need to attempts to distort, manipulate, lie what is taking places . For whatever reason, IA is poplar in Ethiopia They love him. He is “a great man of the day ,” just asking what made IA so “great and poplar ” in their view, quite obviously, it have to do every thing in defeating TPLF and his involvement is great asset for Abiy and IA collaboration and helped in destroying TPLF .Eritrea has no business in the internal matter of Ethiopia .IA is loved and was welcome by PM Abiy . Ethiopian government propaganda is strong and innocent people who do not spend much time thinking for themselves, or questioning what they are told so long as what they are told sanctions their prejudices and, let it be repeated what Ethiopian government saying about the war is not the truth.

          I understand and recognize the realities of life in our region . I know we live in a fallen world. There is not a perfect moral purity. I despise war mongers with every fiber of my being. We need Peace and prosperity and advancement in our region ,War is not an answer .

          • Abi

            Hello said
            ዛሬ ምን አየሁ መሰለህ?
            West Ham 3
            Arsenal 3 final score
            The funny thing is the first five goals were scored by West Ham players. Two own goals by West Ham players!!!! በራስ ሜዳ ነጥብ መጣል ይሉታል ይህንን ነው::
            Now that is a textbook example of ህወሃቲዝም!! Losing points from a winning position!!

            I still don’t believe Eritrean soldiers are in Ethiopia. Your concern about creating animosity between Tigray people and Eritrea people is just fake propaganda by the dead , buried and comfortably decaying Tplf. I don’t buy this argument for a second.
            The rest I will get back to you after the Man U vs Leicester game.

        • haileTG

          Hey Abi,

          You say:

          I also believe that Isu is a whole lot stronger and stable now than during our discussion some years back.

          and:

          I don’t know if there is any group or groups that is ready to assume power and fill the huge gap left by Isu

          I really like these two observations you made. I don’t agree with the top one, and the second one makes you GiE spokes person 🙂

          Even if what you said about the current standing of IA sounds more of a devil’s advocate, it is important to note that IA is in direct conflict with US NS interests, he is being handed EU sanctions without Ethiopia (just like Ethiopia was handed Nobel prize without Eritrea), and he has been directly asked to withdraw from Tigray – he is on a borrowed time so to speak. However, there are those Eritreans (both the supporters and opposition) who appear not to grasp the urgency nor the gravity of the matter. If they reflect on this one point, then the only alternative is to prepare a half-way house by way of GiE.

          Now, the reason I said that your second statement above makes you a GiE spokes person is because that very question is why Eritreans are looking at the whole GiE initiative. The potential fallout from the current stand off may not give much significance to whether there is a replacement or not. If there is no replacement, well that is tough and we’ll get what we will get. Is that really what Eritreans in diaspora willing to settle for? They should take heed of your casual assessment here and do all they can to avert what is on the offing here.

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            In the last three years
            – the Tplf orchestrated sanctions against Eritrea have been lifted
            – the Tplf sponsored Eritrean opposition have been harassed in Ethiopia. ( according to Gedab news)
            – the fighter jets facing Eritrea have been replaced by Ethiopian Airlines
            – Tplf is ጌም ኦቨር ( no extra time)
            – there will be no sanction on Eritrea this time around. ( very speculative on your part.)
            – the two people are watching each other’s back. ( check out the demonstrations in Europe and US)
            – Eritreans are pretty aware of the Tplf’s ተንኮል and stand with their government.
            – Tplf thugs have failed in mobilizing Eritreans through የአክል kind of movements.
            – the last three years Eritrean opposition in general were fighting Abiy than Isu. Busy Barking on a wrong tree kind of.
            – no nobility treatment for Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia.

            In short,
            Isu 3
            Opposition 0 final score.
            I believe opposition/ justice seekers are a day late ( game over), a dollar short ( no sponsor).

            I hope the GiE will stay free from ወያኔ ናፋቂ ኤርትራውያን::

          • haileTG

            Guaad Abi,

            Actually, the EU has imposed its human rights sanctions on Eritrea last week. I am fine with the local qebele theatrics but it doesn’t cut it when it is somebody else’ neck on the chopping board. በሌላ ሰው ጥርስ፥ ድንጋይ ኣኝክበት is a Tigrigna adage. I know my Ethiopian friends get a chill at a mention of sanction because Ethiopia is highly dependent on aid. But the same would be true for us to move on our people from poverty, to compete with your industrial parks and to have a fair share of investment flowing to our region. Eritreans have the same hope and aspirations as Ethiopians for security and prosperity. Who said we are night guards for Ethiopian Prosperity Party! We like to have our neighbors to live in peace with us in both sides of a securely demarcated boundary, under a mutual and respectful regime of cooperation and partnership. ኢሱ ኢሱ እያላቹ ፥ ኢሱን ኣስፎግራቹ ጣጣ ውስጥ ኣታስገቡን። ውጣልን በሉት።

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            “በተውሶ ጥርስ ድንጋይ አኝክበት” ይላሉ አማራ ወዳጆችህ ከትሬዎቹ ኮርጀው:)

            What I listed above is just a little more than የቀበሌ ኪነት ማህበር ድራማ :: Facts on the ground show that Isu is pretty comfortable as things stand. He hit two birds in one stone. ( the opposition and its major sponsors). I really failed to see any strength from the opposition that potentially remove PIA. Besides, the strong showing of Eritreans at recent protests is a very good indication that Isu still commands a great support among the diaspora.
            The rest of your comment is on point and I agree with you totally. We should be able to live in peace and cooperation.

            “ኢሱ ጭሱ አመለቢሱ “ተቀይሮ ኢሱ ኬኛ ሆኗል ጉዳዩ:: ኢሱዬማ አንጀታችን ውስጥ ተጎዝጉዞ በምን አቅማችን ውጣ እንበለው! በቃ ምን ልበልህ ፍቅር በፍቅር ሆነናል::
            ኢሱዬ እያልን የናቅፋውን ነብር የጏዳ ድመት አርገነዋል:)
            ድሮም አለሳልሶ መያዙን እናውቅበታለን::

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም ወንድም ኣማች

            ጉድ ነው! በጣም ይገርማል…….. እኔና ኣንተ፡ ቤተሰብ (ኣማቾች) ብቻ ሳይሆን፡ ምንም ሳናውቅበት፡ የቅርብ ጓዶችም (comrades) መሆናችን ነው። ‘ወይ ግዜ’ – ይላል ያገሬ ሰው- ነገስ ምን ይሰማ/ያይ ይሆናል ብሎ!!!
            Now let’s get serious, and please allow me to make my two cents speculation about the whole thing

            “What I listed above is just a little more than የቀበሌ ኪነት ማህበር ድራማ :: Facts on the ground show that Isu is pretty comfortable as things stand. He hit two birds in one stone. ( the opposition and its major sponsors). I really failed to see any strength from the opposition that potentially remove PIA. Besides, the strong showing of Eritreans at recent protests is a very good indication that Isu still commands a great support among the diaspora.”

            Speculation #1. – Nothing on this planet (politically) happens randomly – specially in a poor countries like mine and yours. Meaning: the Woyanes didn’t wake-up one morning and decided to attack the Ethiopian Defense Forces – 80% of Ethiopia’s military might – without a nod, a prior approval, a go ahead signal – from some global powers. Because once they reach the Menelic Palace, their first phone call would be to Washington begging for Washington’s blessing, legitimacy, political and diplomatic protection, and all kinds of Aid. That’s given.

            Speculation #2. – The Biden Team – the old Obama Diplomatic and National Security Team or Susan Rice and her colleagues – had a bold idea to shape and to fine-tune America’s foreign policy in the whole Horn Region (to kick-out China) in their first hundred days. And to achieve that objective:

            Speculation #3. – The plan seems to have been (a) the Woyanes, militarily to defeat and control the whole Amara Region (b) the Oromo National Front (ኦነግ) to control Oromia Region (c) the other Ethiopian Regions to be controlled by the coalition of both forces (d) Eritrean opposition to defeat the Isaias Afewerqi Army and control Eritrea with direct Ethiopian (Woyane’s) intervention. Remember the Mesfn Hagos Trip To Tigray and the Eritrean opposition (at least hand full of them) celebration, and the media hype prior to the November war (e) re-set and fine-tune Western policy in the Red Sea Horn Region

            Speculation #4. – The coordinated Woyane and Oromo National Front (ኦነግ) attack to overthrow the Abiy government was planned to take place under the radar – during America’s presidential election, when the eyes of the world was glued on American election – obscuring the Woyane’s Blitzkrieg military advances to Addis.

            Speculation #5. – Well, what do you know!!! “ኢሱ ጭሱ” threw monkey-wrench to the whole plan of Woyane’s Blitzkrieg military advance to the Menelik Palace; and the Susan Rice Team is racing against time to make their plan B possible. And What is plan B you ask:

            Speculation #6. Well, plan B is “save the Woyane”. How? (a) stop the war immediately (b) jam the cyber world and the airwaves with crying and suffering Tigreans – suffering and famine in Tigray – a biblical proportion of humanitarian crises (c) demand Western NGOs and Western Journalists to have free access to save the people of Tigray (d) If the Abiy government doesn’t cooperate demand sanction, make a no fly zone secure area north of Alewaha, arm the Tigrayean people to defend themselves from the brutal Abiy regime (e) arm the pro democracy Tigreans and Oromos to liberate their country from the grip of the tyrannical government in Addis. Well you got the idea.

            Speculation #7. – And what is there for the Eritrean opposition today? Not much really!! Their life is intertwined with the life of the Woyanes. Therefore, as the Woyanes goes to the sewer, the Eritrean opposition hopes and dreams to form a Government in Exile that would rule Eritrea one day, is flushed to the sewer as well. But, but, but ኣብ ምዕራብ ኮንካ ምምቡሃቕ ነጻ እዩ።.

            Speculation #8. Well ወንድም ኣማች: in all of these, there is a lesson to be learned: always, yes always, listening and parroting Amnesty International propaganda, and taking their cooked findings and facts to heart makes people dull-minded; and there are many.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Semere,

            Here are few snippets of this morning’s news:

            “Coons, who is also the US special envoy to Ethiopia, affirmed the US’s strategic partnership with Ethiopia and called for a solution to the Tigray region crisis.” [Aljazeera]
            =====
            “The European Union plans to impose targeted sanctions on several individuals in Eritrea for their alleged role in human-rights abuses and atrocities in northern Ethiopia, according to four people familiar with the matter.” [Bloomberg]
            =====
            “Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Dina Mufi called the discussion with Coons “constructive.” He said “The Ethiopian government is in the process of explaining its position so the friendly United States government would better understand it and study the issue.” [VOA – US News]
            =====

            As you see, you are not wrong when you say that “Nothing on this planet (politically) happens randomly – especially in poor countries like mine and yours.” We are Eritreans, and hence our chief concern must be that of Eritrea. In your speculations above, I was eagerly awaiting at least even half-a-speculation about Eritrea as you run wildly from one Ethiopian woreda to another woreda, from one Ethiopian tribe to another tribe and from one political cemetery to another political cemetery! What about us? You just gave us a short sharp shrift [as the Brits say] to just yawn, roll over and go back to sleep! Why wouldn’t you deploy your brilliant and speculative mind to lift up Eritrea? To help your fellow Eritreans resolve their problems and get through their challenges? ግደፍ እባ “ኣዲኣ ሓዲጋ ሓትኖኣ ትናፍቅ” ኣይትግበራ እዛ ጸወታ:-)

          • saay7

            Hey Haile TG:

            Clearly the pro-Abiy and pro-Isaias give-us-more-time-to-kill-more-people global demonstration by aging men wrapped in Menelik flags is having impact. Today, the office of Abraha Kassa (national intelligence) was sanctioned.

            They have organized more screeching this Friday in the Bay Area and I expect the same spectacular success.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay, [btw thanks for the kind remarks… but I am trying to be careful neza babur keyqdma.

            Yesterday, during a rainy afternoon ShaHi’n H’mbaSha’n conversation with a friend, he asked me a tough speculative question:

            “given that Eritrea and Eritreans are horribly maltreated by IA and his regime in general, why do some Eritreans find it possible to support it?”

            It looks a very simple and tired old question at what meets the eye first. But, the more you reflect on it, it quickly assumes its sinister aspect. It is like when you focus, you see two wine glasses and when you shift your focus, you’re actually looking at two identical faces looking at each other [a well known optical illusion].

            Think about it? How would a rational person be elated to be slapped in the face? I was in Eritrea as recently as 2019. I stopped at a place to check on a friend unplanned (just passing by). His wife came up and told me it has been 7 years since he had been jailed, they don’t know the reason but she was hopeful that she may find out something soon – [hijis gele tesfatat alo, she said]. You basically stumble into tragic situation in Eritrea in any corner. It is truly horrific. Around mid August (2019) I was at Bahti meskerem awaiting the return of Sawa graduates. It was a rainy afternoon, as buses carrying the returnee (only those who got a pass mark for mai nefhi) approached Asmara, mobile connection went down, and the faces of those graduates was heart-breaking – they really are children. The rest of the convoys (those who didn’t make the grade) sped off towards Assab front without entering Asmara. They were told they can only visit family with permit later on after deployment. A young person, away from family for 2 years, to be told to not even hug his/her family was such saddening accasion. 5 youngsters apparently jumped off the trucks on the way to the Assab front, to their death. This went unannounced. If you are driving from Godaif Bloko out of Asmara, No vehicle can stop until you pass the right turn to Adi Halo, the penality is 7000NKF. A dozen of bottled water (1l) smuggled from Ethiopia was 180NKF, and what was different this time was that there was water shortages as usual, the old BOT are not allowed to fill up for residents, but unlike the old time when water run out people had option to buy Mai Saha. this time all water bottling factories were shut down. Most people, I noticed, depended on rain water mixed with chemical purifier. It is really disturbing, but there you are.

            Now, I hope you find this update all too common, but back to the question – if not for anything, why do those supporting IA act in such a counter intuitive way. Is it lack of information? Is it deeply seated hatred of their people? Is it that they are paid? It seems a simple question, but so difficult to grasp in an opinion-less, purely factual sense?

          • saay7

            Selamat HaileTG:

            Let’s see if this story answers it.

            Whenever the Isaiasists run a campaign to “win back” (ክት ከስብዎም ኣለኩም) the Diaspora Eritreans whom they consider are salvageable, they don’t give them specific ways on how to do it. The ones who approach me always (1) pretend to have been my dad’s best friends or (2) try to flatter me because I am different from the other opposition: at least you are a nationalist. So then I just treat them the way I do with the sharp-dressed young people who knock on my door on weekends to ask me: “Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?” I can’t be rude and turn them away: I listen to them.

            So last time the latest poor recruiter called me (after the usual preamble of how great my dad was), he rails against some Eritreans who have apologized to Tigrayans. He is saying “these people don’t speak for me, and they don’t speak for you, why are you not speaking against them?” So, I say, really, that is what offends you the most, that some people you never heard of are apologizing on your behalf, and not those who are wearing Eritrean uniforms and Eritrean flags and are accused of vile crimes in Tigray? So he says, how do you know it happened? I said, I don’t know it happened, nor can you be sure it didn’t happen, because it sure happened in 1998-2000. And he says in 1998-00 it was Weyane who raped and looted and desecrated our cemeteries. I said, yes they did, but we also did equally bad things. It is all laid out in great detail in the EECC documents. You mean EEBC he says, I have never seen that. I say, no, EECC: Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission, I can give you the page numbers of where it says Eritrea looted, raped and destroyed and abused civilians. He says EEBC? I say NO, EECC. Then the conversation descends into Tegaru, Lbi Tigray, Hasweti, etc….

            I think the next day he called his bosses to say እዚስ ተግሪሩ ዩ ዝኽሰብ ኣይኮነን because I haven’t heard from him since.

            So why? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who lived in a totalitarian state, had this to say about it: “In our country the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State.” Revealing secrets, inquiring about the truth, to speak up for the truth are all crimes punishable by extreme act of violence in Eritrea. I am always reminded me of the story Pilot Andehishel told: to ask what is my crime, why am I arrested is itself a crime because you are accusing the government of arresting you with no reason.

            And the people you speak of? They are constantly told, every day, for 30 years, that normality will return as soon as X is accomplished. X becomes Y, Y becomes Z, and then back to A. For 30 goddamned years.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            Considering the positive relationship between PIA and PMAA, do you believe or expect PIA let loose his army to commit the alleged atrocities that eventually affect their relationship? I’m having hard time comprehending this seemingly impossible actions knowing full well that without PIA’s approval the soldiers don’t eat much less commit atrocities.
            Help me out here.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            I honestly don’t know if it happened. And if it happened whether it was rogue.

            I just don’t like it when our people (Eritreans and Ethiopians) pretend it didn’t happen in 1998-00 when the case was tried in front of reputable judges and hundreds of lawyers and each side was awarded damages in the hundreds of millions.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            The thing is that all the fake news propagated by Tplf are being exposed and debunked one after the other. The Axum thingy, the Monaliza girl,… more to come.
            Besides, Tplf has already distributed the Eritrean army uniforms to its mercenaries. On top of these, how come a photo didn’t surface showing atrocities in action?

            Anyway, I like to defend the army that defend my country. I refrain to implicate my army in the atrocities it never committed.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            In the list, you forgot the most important news that came around 14th of February from the Plot: “Debre Damo monastery destroyed. After it had been bombed, reportedly by Eritrean troops, Eritrean troops climbed the 6th century monastery, looted manuscripts and treasures.”.
            How about the powerful miraculous Axum Zion Tabot. Did it save itself from being looted?

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Your አማራ ወዳጆች ” እውነትና ንጋት እያደር ይጠራል” ይላሉ::
            What is really astonishing is the rush to implicate the conscripts in the crimes that never happened.

            You remember the fake news that alleged the Eritrean soldiers removed a door from an office building?
            Do you know what happened to the apple tree they stole from the mekele garden?

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡

            ጥላሁን ምንድ ነው ያለው፡
            ይገርማል ቁመናና ዛላ…..

            ይገርማል ፈጠራውን ማመን እንባ’ና ዘለላ
            ኤርትራን ወደፊት ኣይገፋ፡ ካልሆነ ወደኋላ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ቴዲ ነፍሴ ምን አለ መሰለህ?

            ጊዜ ከመስታወት እንደምን ይለያል
            እንኳን የሰው ፊቱን ጀርባውን ያሳያል::
            ( ቴዎድሮስ ታደሰ)

            ድንቅ የሆነ አባባል!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            As HaileTG shared the news and it’s all good ver the place, Eritrean officials have been sanctioned by the EU.

            What you think the Ethiopian PM should have said or done?

            Why Eritrea should be sanctioned for problems inside Ethiopia that they Ethiopian government have said nothing about?

            This is what I predicted Abiy would do. Say nothing and cooperate fully with whomever demanding, throw Isuye / IA under the bus.

            Why can’t use the points you mentioned to defend Eritrean Army?

            Berhe

          • haileTG

            Hey Berhe,

            If I am not mistaken today’s sanction is in regards to HR abuse in Eritrea. There is more being discussed in relation to the Ethiopia/Tigray crisis. We should hear something more soon.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            I don’t remember if Haile The Greatista ever said that.
            Even if he said, I tend not to believe that story. So many fake stories around. Caution is the order of the day.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I stand corrected then.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hello Berhe
            Apology accepted.
            You were a little too hasty to implicate the soldiers.
            “ስህተት የቁልቁለት ድጥ ነው:: መጠንቀቅን ተመርኮዝ ” ይላሉ የራሥ አቢ ዘመዶች::

          • saay7

            Abi:

            That’s admirable but your army has a long long history of atrocities. And one of them (1998-2000) was thoroughly investigated and your armed forces were found guilty of horrific crimes including rape.

            In case you will dismiss that as oh well that’s Weyane, remember just last week your Prime Minister, addressing your armed forces commanders told them to punish those who are not meeting the standards. This is after months and months of empty boasting.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh Younis

            With regard the TPLF war in 1998-2000, it is worth to remember that the battles and, as a result, the organized gang rapes and the deliberate destruction of non-military installations overwhelmingly happened in Eritrean sovereign territories by the TPLF-led Ethiopian army and Tigrayan militias. So please no false equivalence!

            With regard to the current war in Tigray, instead consuming war propaganda and serving as a willing multiplier, let us wait until the war dust settles and the involvement of all actors in the war atrocities is properly assessed by independent organizations.

            There is one good predictor. Any opposition that campaign to vilify the Eritrean Army and pray for the destruction of Eritrean Army is doomed to fail. With all its short-comings, the Eritrean Army was and is the singular guarantor of Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity.

            Did members of the Eritrean army committed crime in the ongoing war in Tigray? I say ብድኣኸለ ውላድካ ኣይትምሓል. Time will prove it.

          • saay7

            Hashela:

            This is exactly the problem I am complaining about. This willful ignorance. The EECC report is public : it’s adjudicated and both sides said they accept the ruling. And both sides were found guilty of committing horrific crimes.

            Since Awate forum does allow sharing links on weekdays, Google Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission. It will take you to pca-cpa dot org. Scroll down and read “Final Award – Ethiopians Damages Claims”. And “Final Award – Eritreans Damage Claims.”

            Then come back with your arguments. If you are going to say it didn’t happen but we had to accept it gelemele you are wasting the forums time.

            Try to be honest: Eritrea will not heal if it accepts lying and denial as its new culture.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            We all have internet access and we all can read. So save your time!

            There is one fact that can not be denied: the 1998-2000 war overwhelmingly happened in Eritrean sovereign territories. As a result, the organized gang rapes and the deliberate destruction of non-military installations overwhelmingly happened in Eritrean sovereign territories.

          • saay7

            Hashela:

            Based on your comments above you clearly can’t read:

            Ethiopia was awarded $174,036, 520 USD for the damages inflicted upon it by Eritrea. Damages include rape looting and destruction and civilian abuse.

            Eritrea was awarded $161, 455,000 million USD for the damages inflicted upon it by Ethiopia. Damages include rape, looting, destruction and civilian abuse.

            The report goes on to state that, if anything, the rape cases are undercounted given cultural taboos.

            None of these are ever discussed: “new chapter!” is declared by those who hop from one war to another, only the allies change. And comments like yours, which work so hard to hide the truth, are part of what why we are in this endless loop.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            please revisit my response to your posts. If you have no adequate answers, don’t waste your time and continue distributing ministerial positions of the “GIE” that is not formed yet!

          • saay7

            Hashela:

            I have visited and revisited your post: it is the typical “alternative facts” that I keep hearing from people who do not want to face the ugly truth and would rather tell fables.

            I am not writing to educate you; only those you are trying to mislead.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            Below I am re-posting my initial post to you and I am assigning numbers to the paragraphs. So please let me know in which paragraph(s) I am misleading:

            I. With regard the TPLF war in 1998-2000, it is worth to remember that the battles and, as a result, the organized gang rapes and the
            deliberate destruction of non-military installations overwhelmingly
            happened in Eritrean sovereign territories by the TPLF-led Ethiopian army and Tigrayan militias. So please no false equivalence!

            II. With regard to the current war in Tigray, instead consuming war propaganda and serving as a willing multiplier, let us wait until the war dust settles and the involvement of all actors in the war atrocities is properly assessed by independent organizations.

            III. Did members of the Eritrean army commit crime in the ongoing war in Tigray? I say ብድኣኸለ ውላድካ ኣይትምሓል. Time will prove it.

          • saay7

            Hashela:

            On you claim #1, it’s not supported by the facts of EECC. If you refused to read the report (or fail to understand what you read) that’s your issue but do not mislead readers here.

            On your claim #2, yes by all means let’s wait. Who is saying let’s not.

            On your claim #3, my point is that since Eritreans raped Ethiopians in 98-00, and Ethiopians raped Eritreans in 98-00, I am telling people do not be surprised if the same thing happened in 20-21. A lot of you full time deniers will deny it when it’s proven anyway. You are already spinning on what EECC said after a 4 year investigation. A result that both countries claimed to have accepted.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            “on you claim #1, it’s not supported by the facts of EECC. If you
            refused to read the report (or fail to understand what you read) that’s
            your issue but do not mislead readers here.”

            You are refusing to acknowledge in which territory the 98-00 war was carried out. This has a directly implication for the magnitude of damages that was done.

            “On your claim #2, yes by all means let’s wait. Who is saying let’s not.”

            I am glad we agree on that. Then let us stop of spreading war propaganda!

            “On your claim #3, my point is that since Eritreans raped Ethiopians in 98-00, and Ethiopians raped Eritreans in 98-00, I am telling people do not be surprised if the same thing happened in 20-21. A lot of you full time deniers will deny it when it’s proven anyway.”

            You are making an assumption and blanket accusation of events that (you believe) will happen in the future.

          • Hashela

            Saleh Y. and Amanuel

            Any opposition that denies and minimizes the damages done to the population it pretends to represent will have an acceptance issue by the latter.

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            Nobody is misleading nobody. We all can read/listen and make our own judgments.
            You are bringing a crime committed in the border war to justify ( rather collaborate) the fake news that has been circulating through the weyane friendly media outlets.
            You are the one misleading here.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            You can deny reality all you want (one of the things that Abiyists and Isaiaists have in common ) but your armed forces have a long long history of committing atrocities. It doesn’t matter who is in charge: Haile Selasse, Mengistu, Weyane or Abiy.

            I told you I don’t know for sure if the claims of atrocities in Tigray are correct (both Abiyists and Weyane are notorious liars); I am saying if it did happen, your might want to stop the oh Lordy Lordy act of clutching your pearls. History is not on your side.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            If you don’t know for sure that the Eritrean soldiers committed the crimes, then, you should stay neutral or better yet, take the initiative to challenge those rushing to implicate them.

            Bringing Derg, Haileselassie , Menelik,….. in the current situation is kind of weak by your standards. Here , we are discussing Eritrean soldiers who are at the mercy of Isu . I strongly believe that they are clean from any kind of crimes.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            This conversation is fast turning into ሕልሚ ደርሆ, which is your speciality.

            The facts are clear: the Ethiopian government, regardless of who is in charge, has a long uninterrupted record of committing war crimes in war time.

            Therefore, I will not be surprised if Ethiopians under Command of Abiy committed war crimes.

            Eritreans, for the first time ever, under the command of the sadistic Isaias Afewerki halve committed war crimes. (The report that Hashela is dancing around presenting irrelevant data on.)

            Therefore, it won’t be surprising if they, under the same sadistic ruler, do it again.

            This is simple logic. Everything you and Hashela are trying to do and failing miserably at it, is evasion.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            why is wrong to say “let us wait until the war dust settles and the involvement of all actors in the war atrocities is properly assessed by independent organizations”?

          • Abi

            Saay
            I don’t understand why you brought an old case to prove a new one. As I told you several times, the lies that were distributed by the decaying Tplf have been proven wrong time and again.
            Here you are actively playing a prosecutor and a judge at the same time despite your admitting that you have got no clue if the alleged crimes have been committed by the Eritrean soldiers.
            Apparently, Your only evidence is the 98-00 border war.
            Can you get a little closer? You are 23 years too late in your evidence presentation.
            Any court will throw away your case.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            I can’t keep repeating myself, just because you have chosen to be mischievous. I brought the “old case”(never discussed, never settled, just in a state of suspense) to make the point to those in Eritrea and Ethiopia who say “it is not in our culture to do all the things we are accused of”, well, your culture did not save you last time. As for Ethiopia, it is a sick joke when it says its professional soldiers would never be guilty of the things they are accused of, when that army has an interrupted record, under every form of government, of normalizing atrocities as part of its wars.

            Your weyane (that you spent 15+ years here defending) are your weyane, buddy with your “dabo now, screw justice” mantra. They are terrible, but no more so than Janhoy, Derg, and apparently now Abi (or whoever is winding him up.)

            The end. Tefetseme.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            “dabo now, screw justice “

            Justice is defending those people accused of crimes they did not commit. As a justice seeker and chief engineer of the GiE, you should have been the first one defending Eritreans in general and the men and women in uniform in particular. Here, you terribly failed in this regard. You are on record questioning their integrity because some of their fathers have committed crimes during the border war. Never thought that committing crimes is genetically transmitted disease affecting members of the army. Your silence and indifference when members of Eritrean army being falsely attacked in the website you run is beyond comprehension. It is only in your courtroom that ልጅ በአባቱ ሃጥያት የሚቀጣው::
            Now, l will leave you alone so that you will have ample time forming the new GiE.
            Wish you all the best.
            THE END.

          • saay7

            Abiy:

            Nice try.

            You do know that disqus keeps a record 😎 Your dismissing of democracy justice as Ethiopians were being subjected to Weyane abuse of Ethiopians as you focused on your dabo, like a slave, is on record.

            But nice try. Be better.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hello Saay
            You know me very well. I still prefer my dabo over democracy. ዘሩን የሚበላ ገበሬ ሞልቶ በተረፈበት አገር የዲሞክራሲ ዘፈን አይጥመኝም::
            The reality on the ground dictates fulfilling the basic needs.
            ምሳ ታስቦ በሚዋልበት አገር የዲሞክራሲ ስብከት አይገባኝም::

            There will be enough time to preach democracy in the future. Not now.
            አሁን ጊዜው ከእርዳታና ከተመፅዋችነት መላቀቅ ነው:: ኑሮ ሲደላደል, ሆዳችን መጮሁን ሲያቆም, ትንሽዬ መጠለያ ስትኖረን, ጭል ጭል የምትል መብራት, ከብት ያልሸናበት የመጠጥ ውሃ ስናገኝ, እንዳቅሚቲም ትንሽ ፊደል ስንቆጥር, ትንሽ የተግባረዕድ እውቀት ስንቀስም, መሰረተ ጤና ሲዳረስ, … ያኔ ዲሞክራሲን እኛ እንደሚስማማን በራሳችን መንገድ እናንፀዋለን::
            እስከዛው ግን እህሉንም ዲሞክራሲውንም ተበድረን አንችለውም:: ዲሞክራሲው ይቆየን::
            Dimokrasi ( እስቲ መጀመሪያ ቃሉን በትክክል እንፃፈው)
            Priorities!

          • saay7

            Selam Abi:

            The Weyane were in power from 1991- 2008. During their reign, while you were focused on the promised dabo and double digit growth, they committed many horrendous crimes, all of which we debated here, including their torture of dmxachn yisemma, their arrest of Zone 9 Bloggers (during the reign of the tool Hailemariam Desalegn), the mowing down or Oromo Protestors and their multiple spokespersons saying multiple terrible things. If you can show me a single time where you expressed your protest to that, I will apologize. But you won’t so I won’t. You are a typical what the Arabs calls “Ma’a alezina anteseru” (I am with whoever is winning) which makes your recent fanboying of Abiy more of the same. I am pretty sure when he is gone you will applaud whoever is in charge: ዝነገሰ ንጉስና ዝበረቀት ጸሓይና ይላል ያገሬ ሰው::

            On your post script, I challenge you to find it since you claim I said it:)

            Anyway today was fun, a good day off to devote to Awate but I gotta move along. Do try something the next time you are shopping: humility. It’s free.

            saay

          • Brhan

            Hashela,
            Your main participation here at awate.com has been discredit writrers/commentators that oppose the PF(DJ). I know you once said that your are not pro PF(DJ) but I also know that ዓሻ መሲልካ ድራሮም ወደኣሎም!

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            I believe you are confusing Eritrea and PFDJ.

          • Brhan

            Selam Hashela,
            The dfddf

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Sometimes they call the ruling “as final and biding”, and sometimes they want to re-adjudicate the case as if they have authority. ናይዚኣቶም ነገር መትሓዚ ሲእናሎምኮ ብጭራሽ::

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I openly challenge you and Saleh Younis to prove wrong the statements (see below) I made in response to Saleh’ post.
            I ask both of you and Saleh Younis to strictly focus on my statement.

            I. With regard the TPLF war in 1998-2000, it is worth to remember that the battles and, as a result, the organized gang rapes and the
            deliberate destruction of non-military installations overwhelmingly
            happened in Eritrean sovereign territories by the TPLF-led Ethiopian army and Tigrayan militias. So please no false equivalence!

            II. With regard to the current war in Tigray, instead consuming war propaganda and serving as a willing multiplier, let us wait until the war dust settles and the involvement of all actors in the war atrocities is properly assessed by independent organizations.

            III. Did members of the Eritrean army commit crime in the ongoing war in Tigray? I say ብድኣኸለ ውላድካ ኣይትምሓል. Time will prove it

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            I don’t understand why you are bringing the past issue that has been already adjudicated by ICC and awarded for all the crimes and and destruction, that occurred at that time. Are you saying it has to be re-adjudicated with the current crimes? I don’t understand your argument. Saleh gave you the statistics that are awarded to both side. Why do you drag us in to a circus of irrelevant issue? As t least you are capable to debate on the current issue at hand. Pls let us have an honest debate. It is good for us and by extension to our readers.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            So then you agree with me to not spread war propaganda, not serve as a willing multiplier of one-sided view, wait until the war dust is settled and the involvement of all actors in the war atrocities is properly assessed by independent organizations.

            If your answer is “YES”, then I achieved more than I hoped for.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Hashela,

            I am not saying let us not talk about the current ethnic cleansing. Rather what I am saying is, don’t bring the past issue that was settled and found its conclusion.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            A very good observation except the person who brought the old case is Saay not Hashela.
            Just redirecting the expert witness brought by the prosecutor/ judge.

          • Desbele

            Selam Saay,
            “Eritrea will not heal if it accepts lying and denial as its new culture.”
            You nailed it man. GiE, GiE, GiE please with a Big Cult Deprogramming organ in its structure.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thank you for the link Saaya. It’s indeed educational. I never thought there was an international legal proceeding over the war in our region.

            I also find it very hard to come to terms that Shabia will engage in the alleged rape case.

            I’m not sure about those white people, how they can describe an act of war performed legally and illegally. I also find it very hard to believe what qualifies legal way of killing my brothers who lost their lives in the war? I know war, and I am very interested to read about it and thank you for sharing the link.

            From a quick glance at some of the other report somethings are considered to be lotting are bizarre. In a war taking POW, belongings have a legal implication but the reality on the ground doesn’t add up. Taking all government establishments when you take over territory is a standard practice in a war but legally it’s considered to be illegal?
            probably it’s best if I read it first before I comment any further on the finding.

            Regards,

            Reclaim

          • saay7

            Reclaim:

            In international law, there is a clearly defined list of what is allowed and what is not allowed. ( I have spoken to many Sawa conscripts and they never go over that with them: their “culture” is supposed to overcome all the kill’em all indoctrination they receive cradle to grave.)

            It’s a thoroughly dishonest system that tells our brothers and sisters of all the horrible things the Weyane did in 98-00 (desecration of martyrs burial site, destruction of property in Senafe and Barentu and rape) but never tells them the equally horrible things that they ordered our soldiers to do in the war. For 20 years (2000-2020), they told them a one sided story and can you in any way he surprised if they decided to avenge “Eritrea’s honor”?

            Why do you think it is that every Eritrean knows the final and binding nature of EEBC but hardly anyone knows about the ruling of the EECC? And those who know spend all their time creating alternative adjudication for it ?

            Because lying has seeped deep from PFDJ to the culture.

            saay

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thanks again Saay
            I have to be honest and tell you that I was told all the savageness about Senafe and Barentu. It was hurtful to hear firsthand information ( I think, I did my bit within my reach.). I haven’t heard anything about the counterclaim.
            In regard to international law, I am just stunned to hear the WWII law about war is still enforceable if so why not ban war in its entirety? It’s so primitive and there are judges & lawyers sitting there entertaining it for several years to do some finding and empose penality. What a joke!! I don’t understand the logic behind it. I am disgusted by the international judicial system. Anyhow, who would get those compensations paid out, definitely not the victims? Looks like I need to do a lot of research on this area. You really got me started. I am appalled. Thanks for this direction, you never know where it’s gone lead.

          • saay7

            Reclaim:

            Of course you didn’t. Remember, the PFDJ and all its institutions, and all its messengers, are compulsive liars. Worse, they can’t tell truth from lies even if you showed them the evidence in black and white: their brain is in Adi Halo and it tells them what to think and how to feel.

            saay

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Saay,
            You are falling behind…the brain is now in Gedem, not Adi Halo. Time to update the new OS.
            I can’t blame you because the GiE thingy is overwhelming

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Saay,

            I think there is a saying something like …if you want to kill a snake you have to go for the head, not the tail. I am a big fan of reptile, I don’t mean it literally. I think to address the regional issue we need to go to the top. It is not something that can be resolved with the hope for commonsense to prevail within the people of our region. Even the most educated diaspora people are poisoned with the attitude of supporting the human & dignity loss of our region, in order to advance their own agenda, this has been demonstrated clearly in this discussion board.
            I think there is an epidemic of mental illness or something to that effect spreading among our people, both Ethiopia & Eritrea. The value of human life is a lot less than the reptile in my country of residence.
            I have to go but if I may be permitted to say something for the proposed GIE, it will be my wish for the GIE to have the mandate to represent the victim(us) of the ongoing ‘Archaic war of Abyssinia’ on the international arbitrary.
            Respect,
            Reclaim

          • Dongolo

            Selam saay7. Re: ‘on par with ISIS supporters’. Question: Have any of those in the current or prior failed Government in Exile attempts communicated or coordinated with ISIS elements? Please avoid using the word ‘knowingly’ or ‘unknowingly’.

          • saay7

            No.

            But the government in power has prosituted itself to Iran, Houthis, UAE, Saudi Arabia.

            Next?

            saay

          • Dongolo

            Selam saay7. Wrong. Those who before attended meetings in Ethiopia (courtesy or TPLF) [that was some cat house!] are well known and referenced in Wikileaks cables. Links with Red Sea Afars movements and Eritrean Islamic Jihad movements can’t be swept away as well as their ISIS linkages.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Dongolo,

            I don’t give up on you like Semere Tesfai for his argument “wala Tinfer ember Tele eya”.

            I do know that you have knowledge of the UN and their agencies and how they have become the mouth piece of the government and not doing their job as they should intended to do.

            Do you think if we have government in exile, some sort of organized, entity that we can use to advance / challenge the UN agency and others as you have been advocating?

            Now what does it take for you to be aligned and work towards the same goal and purpose ? Can you divert your disagreement/ weakness with the proposal and what do you think needs to done, to add to the productive dialogue?

            Sticking point:
            Opposition/ TPLF

            1) Do you believe the opposition had any other alternatives from going to Ethiopia, including members of the G-15? Isn’t the reason they went to Ethiopia, because they are not allowed inside their country.

            2) The opposition are many colors and many forms. This is how we need to measure our judgement I think. Have they involved in destroying properties, attacking civilians such as crimes considered against humanity by our own standard. I have not heard any opposition groups or members, raiding and burning villages, abducting children, keeping them hostages, etc. The fact that they chose to make their base in Ethiopia (leave aside) can we, for the sake of making progress, leave it aside until we have a court of law where they can defend themselves rather than accept the accusation as facts.

            3) Your accusation of Islamic Jihad movement and even linking them to ISIS, is going far from being reasonable.

            Islamic Jihad and its partner parties have had the most successful transition and forward looking programs.

            In the article posted here post their last Congress the party had renamed itself to Eritrean Democratic Homeland Party, and it declared to conduct its fight using peaceful means.

            http://awate.com/post-islamism-eritrea-matter/

            Please read the article above, and be open-minded, fair and honest with your self and try to see things from other side.

            With regards,
            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe,

            sorry for the brevity, I have a deadline that is approaching fast.

            I agree we have to develop a capacity to forgive past blunders.
            At the same time, we as a nation have to have core principles that are key for a peaceful prosperous co-existence.

            A theocratic (Islamic Jihad) and ethno-fascistic (Agazian, a gift from TPLF) movements do not seem to fit to the core principles. The timing and circumstance of the Eritrean Islamic Jihad statement speaks volume.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y and thanks for your comments.

            1) Yes, there were many alternatives available. South-South options being most preferable (i.e. Arusha). Ethiopia while being an illegal occupier and enemy of Eritrea at the time, was a horrendous positioning/credibility choice. Receiving financial and military support from the TPLF was a ghastly mistake that will forever place a bad tattoo on their backs.

            2) The opposition has been involved vis-a-vis TPLF financial and arms support in conducting military offensives on Eritrean Defense Forces and please do not forget 2012 terrorist attacks on British nationals.

            3) I know without doubt that members of Eritrean Jihadists Movements have had ties (still do) with ISIS/Al-Quaida. Dido as well when it comes to the Red Sea Afar movement(s). Point is, don’t criticize the PIA/PFDJ regime for behavior that you yourself have before resorted to.

            For the Eritrean opposition to now take on a Government in Exile effort, while at the same time embracing a strategy of attacking PMAA and his Government right before their election processes, is simply Ill timed and makes them appear as still payrolled by the TPLF; credibility is completely lost in their all-out bid to create turmoil before and during Ethiopia’s election with hopes of providing no an avenue to topple PIA. Once Ethiopia’s elections are completed, the opposition will have absolutely no more cards to play.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Yesterday they were scratching the back of Wayane, and now they are scratching the back of the Amara neftegna, and tomorrow God knows it. No principles at all. The Eritrean people has never been in their agenda. They spent and work hard on creating enemies, to put Eritrea always on war footing, to throw our youngs to die in their war adventures. Thirty years in to it.

            Regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTH

            “We are Eritreans, and hence our chief concern must be that of Eritrea. In your speculations above, I was eagerly awaiting at least even half-a-speculation about Eritrea as you run wildly from one Ethiopian woreda to another woreda, from one Ethiopian tribe to another tribe and from one political cemetery to another political cemetery! What about us?”

            True, I didn’t say much about us; which I’ve plenty to say. The reason I didn’t say any is because the Eritrean opposition is/was irrelevant in this endeavor. The plan was – the Eritrean opposition to serve as an appendage to the Woyanee’s grandeur plan. And the Western thinking seems to have been ‘if you manage to change Ethiopia’s policy, the rest of the pieces of the Horn Region will fall in place quickly and smoothly’. And that is true to some extent.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Semere!

            Pleas help me out here:

            1 – Why does a “grandeur vision” require/need an “appendage”?

            2 – Why is the “appendage” irrelevant to the “endeavor” of the “grandeur vision”, if #1 is true?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTH

            1. – “Why does a “grandeur vision” require/need an “appendage”?”

            Because Woyane’s grandeur vision won’t be grandeur without the Red Sea.

            2. – “Why is the “appendage” irrelevant to the “endeavor” of the “grandeur vision”, if #1 is true?”

            Because the appendage doesn’t have a backbone. Because the appendage doesn’t have military might to set its own agenda and to fight for what it believes in. Because the appendage doesn’t have the power to influence, to defend, to fight for the best interest of Eritrea. Because the appendage plan was/is to trust the Woyanes to do the right thing – occupy the country until PFDJ is completely defeated and brought to justice; help them to restore stability on the ground until the opposition consolidates its power; then leave Eritrea without doing any harm – which is pure childish wish and dream.

            Haile: we support our defense forces policing and security institutions with every fiber of our body because it is through them that we defend and protect Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity; it is trough them that we protect our vital national interest; and it is trough them that we provide peaceful and stabile life to our people. Without them, we’re just siting ducks exposed in the open for any predator. And what the Eritrean opposition have been doing all their life is, trying to destroy the Eritrean defense forces and security institutions to expose us to every predator in the region and beyond; and that is sickening.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Hey Semere,

            You say that:

            Haile: we support our defense forces policing and security institutions with every fiber of our body

            Semere: our defense forces are forced to be our defense forces without pay and the indignities of modern day slavery.

            Our defense forces are wasting their lives in refugee camps, dying trying to cross the desert and the sea for better lives.

            Our defense forces are subjected to jailing, torture, physical and psychological abuses, lack of education and health care.

            Our defense forces are made to fight and die in conflicts that have nothing to do with defending us and without any public approval and consultation.

            Our defense forces are being accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity and it would impact their future.

            Since you say that:

            “Haile: we support our defense forces policing and security institutions with every fiber of our body

            Then, I dare you — Prove IT!

          • saay7

            Haile TG:

            👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

            Nothing to add.

            saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam haileTH

            1. – “Semere: our defense forces are forced to be our defense forces without pay and the indignities of modern day slavery.”

            Two points here:
            A. – No sir, our defense forces are serving their people and their country because serving is an obligation, a duty, and an honor – which you don’t seem to understand.

            B. – Yes, Eritrean defense forces are getting paid minuscule amount of money compared to the sacrifices they are making. I get that. And this is the reason why: since Eritreans inside Eritrea are poor their taxes are not going far enough, and folks like you and I are not paying enough or not even paying at all – our fair share to make the difference. How about 2% back pay for all the unpaid years to pay them right?

            2. – “Our defense forces are subjected to jailing, torture, physical and psychological abuses, lack of education and health care.”

            Because of the (a) 1998 Woyane “border” war (b) because of the two decade long Woyane “no-war-no-peace” policy (c) Because of the obligatory extended National Service by PFDJ government (d) because of the sanction that was imposed on Eritrea (d) and because of Western policy that targeted our young’s exodus – to the West…… without a doubt, the last two decades have been very hard on Eritrea and Eritreans regardless of age sex faith ethnic origin. I concur on that. The rest is Amnesty BS.

            3. – “Our defense forces are made to fight and die in conflicts that have nothing to do with defending us and without any public approval and consultation.”

            Didn’t the Woyanes occupied sovereign Eritrean territories illegally for twenty long years? Didn’t the Woyanes fired bombs on Eritrean towns to kill people? Wasn’t the Woyanes arming, recruiting, and financing armed insurgents to depose the PFDJ regime? Wasn’t regime change in Eritrea Woyane’s stated objective? Don’t you think the PFDJ government has a right to defend its people, itself, and its sovereign territories? If the Woyanes are/were not Enemy of Eritrea I don’t kow what is.

            Personally I’m pleased the PFDJ government took part in the demise of the Woyanes – ኣብ ሓመድ-ድበ ዎያነ ምውዓሎም ብጣዕሚ ተሓጉሸ፡ and I’m even more pleased the fact that they killed their appendage and their stooges across the glob without firing a single shot. You know how I value lives.

            4. – “Our [Eritrean] defense forces are being accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity and it would impact their future.”

            The current Tigrean Regional government and the people never said that; the Ethiopian government and the Ethiopian people never said that; only you, your likes, the criminal Woyanes thugs, and Amnesty International are saying it. And I’m pleased with that.

            Haile: it was pleasure conversing with you. Thank you for engaging and thank you for all the respect.

            Semere Tesfai
            .

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. So, if any of your allegations were true, either now or back in 2001/2002, is it adequate justification for the Eritrean opposition to commit treason? Cohabitation with the TPLF and allowing them to serve as your benefactor was never forced.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            I think ‘cohabitation’ with TPLF is not treason legally or in its commonly understood meaning. In order to charge treason:

            the subject must be owing allegiance and deliberately betraying their allegiance to bring war to the government.

            The opposition don’t have allegiance to the globally convicted perpetrator of crimes against humanity regime by any stretch of imagination. In fact, Isaias Afework has committed several treasons in relation to regional wars and terrorist allegiances to bring war to the state.

            In any case, now that PMAA confirmed:

            – Eritrea crossed in to Ethiopia without permission (committed incursions into Ethiopian territories)

            – That its forces had taken part in reported atrocities

            – That PMAA had to repeatedly raise the issue with Issu

            Legally, the regime of IA stands accused of treason [if we had functional country].

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Are you serious? You wish to question if opposition cohabitation with the TPLF was legally treason? Were you not ever worried about accordant issues of credibility (and why you have none now)? By the way, when you chose to receive financial and military support from the TPLF and to be involved in unprovoked military offensives launched against Eritrean Defense Forces, you absolutely crossed the line and committed treason.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Dongolo,

            Were the Ethiopian opposition in Eritrea committing treason against Ethiopia? If so, why were they welcomed back to Ethiopia with a charge of treason?? Treason involves breach of trust/loyality. Are you looking at treason from informal sort of stuff or are you talking of proper legalistic notion of treason? If the latter, no it is not treason.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Dongolo,

            Since after independence, why does almost anything that the government of Eritrea touches turns into a disaster?

          • Dongolo

            Selam Simon Kaleab. Military/rebel based dictatorships exceeding 10 years duration, much less 30, are a guaranteed recipe for disaster. Given that said, we still have a sovereign State of Eritrea and I will forever be grateful to our fighters.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    What a pleasant surprise! I like the graphic, highly reflective of the day where the GiE initiative was being discussed in different forums. I hope the one that was streamed today with a panel including Ato Huruy Tedla continues too. There was also another live stream with Meron that had people call in.

    The panel with Dr. Tsigab, Dr. Awet, Ato Huruy and call in by Dr. Amanuel and Prof. Araya was a good start, but would hopefully continue with more focus on the issue at hand next time.

    To begin with I had a little problem trying to pin point where Dr. Awet was headed to, as he seemed to cast his net far beyond the scope of the subject of examination. There is no doubt the issues he was raising were important in their own accord, yet with no readily applicable connection to the business of setting up GiE. Towards the end however, he has touched some important aspects such as diplomatic and external support. Since, all deliberations need to be directly connected to the GiE, one way to tie up his argument would be to use the humanitarian problems that he was flagging up as a basis to justify that the regime in Eritrea has lost legitimacy due to the urgency of responding to the issue of 20,000 unaccounted for refugees and the potential disaster hanging over the safety of the remaining refugees – the regime in Eritrea is party to the conflict which would prove problematic for UNHCR to discharge its duty effectively. The UN’s Responsibility To Protect [RTP] humanitarian response mechanism could serve as entry point to the diplomatic foray of the GiE.

    Ato Huruy has argued from an interesting angle. His point is that legitimacy can be had by the very fact that representatives of all diaspora opposition and activists convening. That is true in a sense but it would narrow the reach of GiE’s audience. I say this because the way the GiE is being postulated currently, it is practically open to all, including those on the PFDJ camp. How so? Good question. The motive for GiE seems to me that it is a form of cover from an impending torrential rains. If the current stand off between Eritrea and the US escalates, then there is no guarantee that Isaias Afewerki will be hanging around much longer. As yet, there is no identifiable group inside or outside of Eritrea that could assume the role of transitional entity. This poses problem to all, regardless of which camp one belongs. Both the opposition and supporters of regime are concerned about this same issue, although they have diametrically opposed expectations. The GiE proposal appeals to all, if for nothing, at least an orderly transition can be had. But, Ato Huruy’s preposition breaks down here because it [at a national level] leaves out a large segment of the society.

    Dr. Amanuel had an idea that involves prior exploration of other avenues as well as the feasibility of GiE itself. Although, prudent in essence, I think that the GiE is proposed following many stagnated/scuttled initiatives and most importantly, time is of great importance here. The response must be appropriately paced (rapid) in line with the fast changing situation. GiE is a response to an initiative taken by the dictator and outside forces, not the usual opposition initiative attempting to bring some new political movement into motion. As such, a response must be fitting to the demand that generated it, in urgency as well as timing.

    Prof. Araya was rather less enthusiastic. Hopefully, he would re-evaluate his initial thoughts and present us with what his concerns are vis-a-vis the unfolding situation at home. Also, he felt that some groups are excluded, this is not so. The GiE, it seems, is simply asking us to re-group in one of two schools of thought for specific time and specific purpose. No long term commitment is asked as I understand it. So, it would be helpful if Prof. Araya could re-evaluate the proposal along this principle made public along the GiE proposal.

    Over to you awatista… how did you find the discussion???

    • Hashela

      Selam Haile TG

      The members of “GIE” has to do a lot explaining whether their sudden awaking from an extended and non-restorative dormancy has to do with their burning desire to throw a lifeline to the putrid TPLF.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Hashela,

        Since it is an open season for public consultations on GiE, I think that your concern should be debated too. In order to do so however, can you flesh out your argument by explaining in what way, if any, GiE formation would give TPLF a life line? Specifically, what more would those Eritrean opposition groups who are considered TPLF leaning be able to benefit from GiE in order to achieve their goals as you judge it to be?

        • Hashela

          Selam Haile TG

          I naively assume that the purpose and goal of “GIE” formation is to accelerate the demise of IA and work on mechanisms that prevent chaos and bloodshed and ensure a peaceful transition to a representative governing system. Given the evolving external dynamics (distal and proximal), the demise of IA can happen faster than expected. Taking away or maintaining the pressure on TPLF in a transitional period is a challenge. Taking away the pressure from TPLF means opening a door for chaos and bloodshed in a critical transitional phase. So how do we move forward without being a hostage of TPLF and their Eritrean supporters?

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Hashela,
            I think you hit the bull’s eye. As we all understand, the transitional period is not going to be smooth unless we diligently do our homework now. Both isayas and Weyane have always had backup plans for such eventualities. They have their sleepers, money stashed in secret places, disinformation trolls and lobby groups paid handsomely to sprint into action etc. Hence, it is pertinent that our initial actions are guided through cold thinking rather than emotions. I believe, for a starter, it is vital that the National Task Force should be cleansed from anybody who has directly or indirectly sympathized with Weyane (particularly during the current conflict) and the NNNN. With regard to the Congress, I think, we should leave it to its participants.

          • Hashela

            Selam Woldegabriel

            This is the time for technocrats and strategic thinkers with patriotism, a firm believe on Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, with deep knowledge of our historical divide across religion and awraja lines, and diplomatic skills and exposure. This may sounds like a wish for a cow that gives milk, honey, and eggs. But it is and must be possible.
            This is a full time job of dedicated 20-25 people. For the sake of beloved country and the independence and financial security of the group, the Eritrean Diaspora community must cover the salary and expense of the core leadership.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            I don’t see the “Possibility of the possibility” or p3 p4….pn( where p stand for possibility) of TPLF to have a role explicitly or implicitly in the future Political transitional process in Eritrea. This is simply ፓለቲካዊ ህውተታ’ዩ:: In any case do you mind to elaborate realistically than hypothetically?

            Regards

          • Hashela

            መርሐባ አማኒኤል: ከመይ ቀኒኻ

            With all your sophistications, your response is as predictable as the diurnal cycle.

            On the lighter side: your propagative error analysis skill needs a refresher. How about a (non-parametric) probability density function (PDF) instead your esoteric *P4

            ሐውካ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሓው ሓሸላ,

            ስለምንታይ ጎሲኻያ ኸይድካ ንሕቶይ?ናህና ሽግር ናይ ውሽጥና ሽግር’ዩ:: ኣብ ውሽጥኻ ሽግር ምስዝህሉ’ዩ ናይ ደገ ሓይልታት ክታእታቶ ዝፍትን:: ስለዚ ንገዛና ነማዕራሪ:: ዝተማዕራረየ ገዛ ንፋስ አይአትዎን’ዩ:: ንሕምቀትና ኣብናይ ወጻኢ አይነላግቦ:: ሕምቀቱ ዘየለሊ ሽግሩ ከለሊ አይክእልን’ዩ:: ስለዚ ኣብ ዕዮ ገዛና ነተኩር::

            ሓውኻ

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Hashela,

            In all honesty, your concerns are shared by many and needs some clarification. External interference is one of the key hazards in any transitional period. The question is how to monitor and prevent it. It is easier said than done. The potential interference on such monumental tasks as setting up a GiE span far beyond TPLF or other local actors. There are sectarian interferences, global inteferences, historical access to sea type interferences and others linked to trade, politics and social action movements.

            Saay had mentioned something important in that regard: the answer is to own the GiE, to control its funding sources and really keep close eye on accountability. The reason that IA has brought the country into the edge of the cliff is because no one owns him. We all woke up to find out our fate. I think that should be taken as a teachable moment going forward.

            If change does happen regardless, then that doesn’t eliminate your fears from materializing. It is unlikely the status quo would remain, and also unlikely that there is a group ready to take over. Short of these two alternatives, what choice do we have?

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,

            “External interference is one of the key hazards in any transitional period.”

            That is exactly the reason for racing against time to encourage our politicians to come up with our own solution instead of an imposed one–which we will not like. That is the kind of risk that makes me lose sleep–these kind of risks as you mentioned:

            “There are sectarian interferences, global inteferences, historical access to sea type interferences and others linked to trade, politics and social action movements.”

          • haileTG

            Hi Sal,

            Although I am on the opposite spectrum of YG’s Ghedli romanticism scale compared to his school of thought, he once said that Ghedli mentality is blind to impending dangers or it doesn’t have eyes. Thus, he predicted that at some point shaebia would stumble into a burning fire and engulf itself! hmmm….

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Good point. I think we should focus on what we need to do more and be careful with the influences to the south–my major issue there is the new emperor who might be looking for a sacrificial lamb. We should keep our eyes open to the destructive supremacists of all colors–old and new–without crippling ourselves with paranoia. Our self-confidence is under attack even in this forum.

          • Barolle

            Selam Hashela,

            I’d like to chim in with my thoughts on why the likes of TPLF and the extemist Agazian movement has a significant amount of supporters, based on my own observations. Observations that is cristal clear to the likes of yourself and the forumites, but perhaps uncomfortable to talk about. Then again, if those of us with pen names can’t engage in uncomfortable discussions, who will?

            Eritreans have been exposed to fearmongering for quite some time, both from TPLF puppets, and extremist Agazians. Much of what is said can easily be arguemented against. Meaning, it isn’t high level and sophisticated brainwashing, but the output is through the roof and since it is based on faith and ethnicity it is very detrimental.

            The fear that I observ spreading among our Eritrean Christian brothers and sisters that support that idiology, or ethnic and religious homogeneous society, is based on the fear of Islam. More specifically that Islam will have more influence if Tigray and the Tigringa part of Eritrea doesn’t merge. Also, that Tigringa will be challenged by other ethnic groups for power. It would be better if Christian Tigringas chimed in, or if we could have brave guests like Aron the Agazian back to explain his beliefs in greater detail. He wasn’t as radical as their leader at all, which was surprising. If you are reading this Aron, I apoligize for being rude previously, but only if you grace us with your opinions. :/

            Again, based on obervation, there are Muslims who support TPLF too, but most often it is Tigray as a whole, or the people of Tigray. The reasons for that might be because many Eritrean Muslim Tigringa (Jeberti) have ancestry from Tigray, by one member of the family, or both. There are also those who became Muslims by sebekhti haimanot long before King Yohannes slaughtered Muslim Tigrayans who escaped to Eritrea, but that is unrelated. The biggest factor for the Tigray support I believe to be the Derg experience though. They are, however, an extreme minority.

            It is worth mentioning that Muslims are afraid as well, especially since they previously experienced religious persecution. But, also because the inequality and lack of inclusion they face today. Eritrean Muslims are mostly Sufi, a spiritual and none-radical form of worship that entails excercising Ihsan and doing something that is similar to mezmur.

            So how do we move forward without being a hostage of TPLF and their Eritrean supporters?

            1: Patriotism
            2: Rule of law free from religious influence
            3: Inclusion (Represantation from every ethnic group and faith)
            4: Education (Long term, and short term education forms)
            5: Equal destribution of resources
            And much more that people that haven’t been up for 24 hours can add to…. ;=)

    • Aman Y.

      Selam haile TG

      Thank you for the recap. Knowing (about) the panelists background makes me believe how observant you were. I was searching for the discussion on social media to no avail. I also asked here for a link. That is to say now I do not feel I need to watch it any more. I believe these are a few of of our Eritrean brothers who can get the GiE. to fruition. As I was reading your comment, these were their attributes which came to mind:
      Dr. Awet is a young brilliant academician who can go beyond the scope.

      Dr. Amanuel (if he is A. Mehreteab) , he had a enormous job of governing the highly internationally funded ERREC as he was in Eritrea in the mid 90’s. I have not heard much from or about him as an EX-EPLF fighter.

      Ato Hiruy is a household name, most people know about him.

      Pro. Araya is one of the long timers since the students association. He has been more in to the mass movement endeavor especially after the passing of Wedi Vacaro which is a different approach than the GiE.

      P.S. Please send me the link any way.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatestaff,

    Rightly so, it deserves the front page. I will use this occasion to invite Haile-TG to write articles with his own column, knowing Awate team will be happy to have him as additional light on the dark side of Eritrean politics.

    Regards