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Woyane’s Fraudulent Casus Belli To Wage War Of Aggression (P1)

If the Woyane spin-doctors and their Eritrean agents were to have the last word, this is how they would’ve written the history of the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war (of course I’m paraphrasing).

The days prior to 12 May 1998 were all happy cheerful and sunny days. But after seven delightful and tranquil years, Isaias, erratic that he is he woke-up one morning and unexpectedly ignited the Badme border war. Not for any apparent rational reason, but just because he felt like it. And ever since that tragic day, things have never been the same again. And that’s why we all are finding ourselves in this terrible predicament today.

But is that so? Were the days prior to 12 May 1998 all that sunny? Did the Badme border-war really start because of the personal whim of a one mad man (Isaias)? Was Isaias/Eritrea the aggressor? Was it even border dispute the cause of the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean conflict?

Of course not! Any idiot knows these are all bogus claims and boldfaced lies. Let’s be real: prior to May 1998, EPLF leaders wanted to be so close to Ethiopia they were saying publicly – borders are irrelevant; free movement of people goods services and capital is the way to move forward; dual citizenship for those who wanted it (Eritreans and Ethiopians) is what brings the two people closer; single currency single monetary policy single foreign and diplomatic policy is what serves the two people best; having synchronized defense and security policy under unified central command is what makes the two people safe and secure; moving towards integrated economy under some kind of regional confederation is what brings stability and economic prosperity to the people of this region…… and many more were EPLF leaders public positions.

Again, EPLF leaders were so close to Woyane’s Ethiopia, and wanted to remain even closer that the current opposition leaders were outraged by their cozy relation with Ethiopia – accusing them of “abandoning our traditional Arab Allies”. EPLF leaders were so close to Ethiopia, the Arab Region was infuriated by their constant Arab bashing and their close relation with Ethiopia Israel and the West. Western powers were so elated about the Ethio-Eritrean close relation they were calling the leaders of both nations “close allies”, “visionaries”, “the new breed of African leaders”….. And the hope of Ethio-Eritrean close relation wasn’t just an empty-wish of EPLF leaders based on, unbalanced unfair and unattainable dream driven by insatiable Eritrean greed as some allege, but a seemingly achievable hope anchored on concrete agreement reached by both countries through the 1993 Agreement of Friendship and cooperation commission headed by the then two vice presidents – Tamrat Layne and Mahmoud Sherifo.

The point: in the greater scheme of things, at best, the Badme border issue was a hiccup; if that. But, even though the 1993 Ethio-Eritrean agreement was the best good news the two people ever heard in more than a century (of course it could be tweaked), to the disappointment of many Ethio-Eritrean relation failed miserably. And there is a lesson to be learned here: Ethio-Eritrean relation failed because it was a relationship destined to fail. Not because of the content of the agreement and its intended security economic and social objectives, not because the agreement was a lopsided agreement that favored Eritreans at the expense of Ethiopians, but because of the identity and the perceived shadowy political motive of its architects and its framers. Simply put: it failed because Ethio-Eritrean relation is more than a close relation of the two Tigreans.

And that was where the Ethio-Eritrean close relation was anchored; and that was the precise reason why the Ethio-Eritrean relation ended-up being polarizing and toxic relation that lacked the confidence of most Eritreans and Ethiopians (of course I’m not minimizing the “we’ve to restore Ethiopian pride by punishing Eritrea” and the “Eritrea should not be rewarded for having-it her own way” type ultranationalist factors in the overall political equation). And the minute the rubber hit the road, as expected, the weakest link (Woyane) gave way due to its internal pressure. Then and only then it dawned on all that the 6% Tigreans were, are, and will always be incapable of negotiating and delivering close Ethio-Eritrean relation while at the helm. And when the Woyanes reversed all their long held positions a complete 180° in the blink of an eye for political expediency (aligned themselves with gun-toting ultranationalists ነፍጠኛታትን ትምክሕተኛታትን in order to govern) to those who were hoping and wishing to see a lasting Ethio-Eritrean close relation, the writing was on the wall.

Therefore, trying to describe the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war, as a war that was fought solely over small patches of barren arid lands or as a war that was fought just because of a sudden impulse of a one “madman” is either mischaracterization of the facts, naïve and simplistic explanation of the facts or is being deliberately disingenuous about the real facts of the Ethio-Eritrean conflict. But again, if, “Eritrea/Isaias was the aggressor” is what you believed all along, and if you’re not still persuaded by the reasoning of my argument, please read the comment below and pay attention to every little detail of – all the unverifiable claims and accusations, all the myth, all the half-truth, and all The Kidney Heist type Urban Legends that were being disseminated by the Addis political machine to vilify Eritrea and Eritreans prior to 06 May 1998.

I completely understand – since the Awate commenter was making a blanket statement (all X are Y and all W felt Z type assertions) his comment can’t be portrayed as an accurate descriptive account of the whole attitude of all Eritreans and Ethiopians. But it sure does explain the relentless political campaign that was waged to shape Ethiopian public opinion (vis-à-vis Eritrea and Eritreans) prior to 12 May1998. And guess what! Once a gun-toting regime successfully shapes public opinion to its liking, what follows is a no brainer: a policy that fits “public opinion”. And that was exactly the whole objective of the hollow propaganda of the Addis political machine: to mold Ethiopian public opinion.

Again, to piece together the events that lead to the 1998 senseless war, please read and pay attention to every little detail of the comment below; because the comment is a perfect prototype of the daily political propaganda that was waged to vilify and demonize Eritrea and Eritreans prior to 06 May 1998. And as a case in point, this comment is selected by this author to serve as an appetizer for the whole argument of this article. Good read.

“Ethiopians belief that Eritreans contempt to Ethiopia and Ethiopians is deep rooted and beyond the manplation of their leaders. During the first seven years of Eritrean independence, the behavior of many Eritreans (particularly Kebesa Eritreans, who were in Ethiopia) was simply unbearable. Especially, their favorate targets were those Ethiopians, who were very emotional about Ethiopia losing a sea port and feared Eritreans independence would lead to disintegration of the rest of the country. They were targets of a relentless mockery, insults with lots of humiliating verbal and psychological abuses. Furthermore, EPLF gave an impression to the rest of Ethiopians and especially to its Eritrean supporters that it has an upper hand on TPLF/EPRDF, and even a kind of impression that they control EPRDF and through it Ethiopia.

Hence, Eritreans, especially, the elites and those who lived in Ethiopia felt that they had a free reign over everything and anything in Ethiopia. Many couldn’t control themselves and openly started belittling Ethiopians, as just tools to be used by Eritreans. Eritrea was packaging Ethiopian coffee and market it in the world, as ‘Eritrean’. Large businesses, factories and financial institutions were getting bough and obtained by those, who pledged aligence to Eritrea, leaving the owners of the country Ethiopians somewhat pushed aside.

When Isayas invaded Ethiopia, they had the audacity to openly fund raise in Addis and regional towns for his war effort. I don’t think you can under estimate a kind of resentment that could create among Ethiopians. That is why, during Bademe war, when EPRDF declared it’s divorce from EPLF and Eritrea and called young people to enlist to go to war, it’s call was recieved enthusiastically and eventually, Ethiopia managed to win the war. It is a human nature to seek a revenge against those, who you feel deeply hurt you, and Ethiopians can not be different. There are good number of Ethiopians, who would want those, who humiliated them to be humiliated. Those, who dehumanized them to see what it looks like to be insulted and belittled.” Eyob Medhane – a diehard Woyane/EPRDF supporter in his own words explaining the “feeling of Ethiopians” toward Eritreans pre-May 12, 1998 – Awate.com, September 22, 2013 at 2:42 pm – Chronology of Eritrea’s Reform Movement @ the comment section.

So, what do you think? Does the above comment reflect the Ethiopian political reality that existed prior to May 1998? Do you think the comment is still defensible? Why or why not?

Anyway, regardless of one’s position to the above comment, the glaring fact is – that was exactly the insidious false propaganda the Ethiopian political machine was feeding its public prior to 12 May 1998. The reason: to go to war you have to prepare your country for war. And as a vital component of your war preparation, vilifying and demonizing your enemy to a point where there is no sympathy left for him, is job one. And that was exactly what the Addis political machine was doing prior to 06 May 1998. And the question that comes to mind is: was there similar propaganda campaign on the Eritrean side prior to 12 May 1998? And the answer is – absolutely not. And that in itself tells a story. Because it defies the logic of war (if one wants to claim that the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was started by Eritrea). And to this day, even though there is no any Ethiopian who could back-up the accusation (claim) that was/is leveled against Eritrea and Eritreans with a verifiable data and documentation, regrettably, the effect of that insidious propaganda → the false accusation, the hate, the anger, the resentment, the vindictive attitude……toward Eritrea and Eritreans is still alive and well.

But to anyone who could put two and two together, it was abundantly clear that the bloody 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was never about land dispute. Badme, the “disputed” border region, didn’t have much to do with the bloody “border war” then, and it has nothing to do with the current ‘no-war-no-peace’ Addis policy. Badme was a casus belli for a premeditated aggression then, and it is land held hostage at a gunpoint as a bargaining-chip to achieve a favorable concession from Eritrea, now – a concession that was impossible to achieve in 1991 to be exact. And for that reason and that reason alone, it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone if Badme remains a hostage for many, many years to come. But many people are calling the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war ‘the Badme border war’ simply because the war was started at Badme and it was fought under the pretext of Badme border dispute. But in reality, the war was planned, instigated, provoked and declared by the Tigrean hardliners. The reason: grudge, territorial expansion, to heal and restore the pride of a wounded divided defeated Nation, to liberate themselves from the general public-perception (pawn of ShaEbia), to earn legitimacy to govern Ethiopia, and most of all to turn the clock back to 1991 in order to “negotiate” future Ethio-Eritrean relation, with a divided defeated humiliated Eritrea, led by a worthless Woyane installed puppet government. And the plan worked – well, almost.

Yes, the Woyanes failed to topple the Eritrean government. Yes, the Woyanes failed to occupy Eritrea. Yes, the Woyanes dream to assume supreme authority over Eritrea’s government and its sovereign territories until Eritrea signs a declaration of defeat that would meet all Ethiopian demands (including but not limited to, unfettered access to the Red Sea) failed miserably. Yes, the Woyanes didn’t add much of an Eritrean land to their beloved Greater Tigray. But they sure did get something else.

As a direct result of their naked aggression, Ethiopian unity and stability was solidified. As a direct result of their naked aggression, their popularity soared sky-high and continued to soar even higher every time they bled, humiliated, raised their threat level.…. towards Eritrea and Eritreans. As a direct result of their naked aggression their popularity was night and day the day before and the day after 13 May 1998. And most of all, as a direct result of their naked aggression, their image was improved in the eyes of many Ethiopians, making life easier for them to govern. Simply put: the Woyanes immensely benefited from their aggression and that was the exact motive behind their decision to back-stub and bleed their former ally. And that’s why their former allies are calling them ጠላማት.

And rallying the defeated Amara hardliners, inline soldier-style was not that hard. All it took was a suggestive gesture to bring back Assab and a firm conviction to restore Ethiopian pride by “breaking Eritrea’s spine”. That’s all. And the minute the gun-toting Tigrean and Amara hardliners tied the knot, the fate of the Ethio-Eritrean Alliance was sealed. Why did the Woyanes back-stub their former ally? Because then, now, and forever, there is no way in hell for the 6% Tigreans to dominate and govern ethnically divided Ethiopia without the overwhelming support of the Amaras (or the Oromos(???) with the intent to deny the Amaras Power). And by the same token then, now, and forever, there is no way in hell, in which the Tigreans could sleep with the ambitious Amaras and still fall in love with Eritreans. Sleeping with the ambitious Amaras and falling in love with Eritreans are incompatible. And let me explain the obvious:

When at the helm, the Tigreans could only sleep with one, and not with the other: with Eritreans or with the Amaras. And the Tigreans won’t dare sleep with Eritreans (when at the helm) as a strong bond of the two Tigreans is an impediment to the Amara’s ambitious dream of getting to the helm. And the Amaras are not going to give-up on their dream; and rightly so. Therefore, in the 1990s, in order to govern, the Woyanes didn’t have any other choice but to do the obvious: to take the bow (accept the 3000 year baggage) and tie the knot. And to make their new marriage work they didn’t had any other choice but to make good on their solemn-vow. And there was only one way to make good on their solemn-vow: to divorce their former lover, and divorce it in a very, very, very, very…. convincing way. And that is exactly what they did. They planned, instigated, provoked and escalated a war that would get them up-to and including regime change. And why did they cook a bloody plan that goes as far as regime change? Well:

  1. To prove to their new lovers in no uncertain terms that their old marriage is over
  2. To turn the clock back to 1991 to cleanse the “colossal national-sin” they committed

But it all failed. Thanks to the bravery of the Eritrean people and their gallant Warsai-YkeAlo forces, all their crafty deceit, all their engineered blueprint, all their radiant-thinking and mind-mapping ended-up being just a pipe-dream. Yes! After all the – Zeraf, Geday, Zwesede Gzie Ywsed, Hibri Aynkhum Des Entezey Eluna….brouhaha, the Tigrean hardliners were forced to settle for a whole lot less: no-war-no-peace policy. Yep! Hoping against hope, one day their well-crafted no-war-no-peace policy to bankrupt and bring Eritrea to its knees. Yes, the Eritrea they always believed – was “economically unviable state” without the goodwill of Addis regimes (without access to Ethiopian resources). And as they say, the rest is history.

Mind you: I don’t have any illusion about the size, magnitude, and intellect of those who swear, the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was caused and triggered by the Eritrean regime. I hear them every single day. Yes, those from the South of the Mereb River and their Eritrean agents who swear “Eritrea was the aggressor” (of course for obvious reasons) and those from the Eritrean opposition who cut off their nose to spite their face – just to do harm to the PFDJ regime. But both sides don’t have a winning argument. Their “facts” are so wrong and their arguments are so weak and riddled with inconsistencies, it won’t even withstand a minor scrutiny.

But I’m not here to ask the “Eritrea was the aggressor” crowd to take my word for it and call it a day. No, no, no, no…. I’m here to make a compelling case argument for it; and I’m daring and challenging them to prove me wrong. And I’m doing this for one and only one reason. This is an Eritrean issue (not Isaias or PFDJ) and I believe we all Eritreans are duty-bound to contribute our part to set the record straight. And that is exactly what I’m trying to do here. Not that my argument is going to change anyone’s mind, but I just want to prove to the whole world that the “Eritrea was the aggressor” crowd don’t have any credible argument to offer other than to mislead, to deceive, to dwell in darkness and, to argue on trivialities and side issues. And explaining the motive, the opportunity and the means of the 1998 Woyanes war of aggression, and presenting a compelling case argument that:

  1. The 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was instigated and provoked by the Woyanes
  2. The 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was triggered and escalated by the Woyanes
  3. History will be very kind to the EPLF government leaders for their handling of the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean “border” war
  4. Ethiopian regimes will never, never find a friend like Isaias and an ally like the PFDJ regime for a long, long, long time if any
  5. We Eritreans bled for our independence no doubt about it; but the Woyanes wanted Eritrean independence (in 1991) more than the Eritreans themselves

And more would be the argument of these series of articles. Let’s roll:

Argument #1

The 1998 Ethio-Eritrean War Was Instigated And Provoked By The Woyanes

To make a compelling case for this argument, let’s start with the following critical questions and logical statements.

Question And Logical Statement #1. Were the Woyanes in and around Badme, harassing intimidating arresting evicting and killing Eritrean citizens, and confiscating properties of Eritrean citizens consistently prior to 06 May 1998? And the answer is emphatic YES. Did the Woyanes completely alter the social-demography of the whole Badme region (on both sides of the border divide) by evicting tens of thousands 3-4 generation Eritreans, and by settling Tigreans in their place? And the answer is emphatic YES. Was their action, a provocative action tantamount to declaring war on Eritrea and Eritreans? Yes it was. Then, assuming the duty of any given government is to protect its citizens, the EPLF government was within its rights to stand-up to the aggression of the Woyanes to defend its citizens.

Question And Logical Statement #2. Did the Woyanes try to alter the century old (1900–1991) Ethio-Eritrean border with the intent to incorporate large swaths of Eritrean territories into Tigray (Badme region being one of them)? Again the answer is emphatic YES. Did they try to create facts on the ground using force (to reflect their newly created map)? YES they did. Was their action a provocative action tantamount to declaring war on Eritrea and Eritreans? Yes it was. Then, assuming the duty of any given government is to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the nation it is governing, the EPLF government was within its rights to stand-up to the aggression of the Woyanes to defend the territorial integrity of Eritrea.

Question And Logical Statement #3. Did the Woyanes try to dismantle Eritrean local administrations by force in the “disputed” border areas to reflect their newly created map? Yes they did. Was their action a provocative action tantamount to declaring war on Eritrea and Eritreans? Yes it was. Then, assuming the duty of any given government is to protect its branch governments and its public servants, the EPLF government was within its rights to stand-up to the aggression of the Woyanes, to defend its local governments and its public employees.

Question And Logical Statement #4. Now, let’s be fair to the Woyanes. Even when the EPLF government believed Badme to be sovereign Eritrean territory, did the EPLF government dismantled any Ethiopian local government, at any of the “disputed” border areas including the Badme local administration (which was administered by Tigray Killil) prior to may 6 May 1998? And the answer is a resounding NO. Did the EPLF government altered the century old (1900–1991) Ethio-Eritrean border with the intent to incorporate some swaths of sovereign Ethiopian territories into Eritrea? Again, no it did not. Did the EPLF government harassed, evicted, killed or confiscated properties of Ethiopian citizens at the “disputed” border areas? No it didn’t.

Therefore, in order the – ‘Eritrea was the aggressor’ argument to fly:

  1. One has to deny all the statements above (1,2,3 and 4) or
  2. One has to deny the EPLF government’s right to defend its people, its local governments and its sovereign territories

And no Tigrean/Ethiopian worth his salt would dare deny the ordeal of tens of thousands Eritrean families, who were facing the wrath of the Woyanes for twenty long years, when thousands of them are still walking on their own two feet on this planet. Therefore, not only the two decade (1978 – 1998) Woyanes consistent provocation was real, but also it was unsustainable. That kind of life – life of constant and never-ending border encroachment, harassment, fear, killing, eviction and confiscation of properties was unsustainable. It was inevitable – at some point, some day, some Eritrean government was going to be forced to stand-up to the aggression of the Woyanes, to defend Eritrean citizens and sovereign Eritrean territories. And that day happened to be May 12, 1998. And the question that comes to mind is:

Ok, the Woyanes were constantly provoking Eritrea/the EPLF government for war. We got that. But that doesn’t prove the Woyanes started the 1998 war. How could you prove beyond reasonable doubt that the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war was ignited by the Woyanes? Well, that and more would come in part II of this article in about two weeks.

Suggested readings for this article and to the following series:

WashingtonPost.com: Eritrea-Ethiopia Conflict
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/eritrea/overview.htm
Badme border dispute: Why Ethiopia Won’t back down on Eritrean …
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDlN5cbjSfE
Greater Tigray : welkait.com
Eritrean–Ethiopian War – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Cause of the Eritrean-Ethiopian Border Conflict
Ethiopian raid on Eritrean bases raises fears of renewed conflict …

 

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  • Abinet

    Gonbel
    You missed the point totally. Those people I mentioned are all eritreans who , according to Tes , were refugees. I’m glorifying them , appreciating them, and I’m always great full.
    On top of that I’m not here to be lectured by someone who doesn’t qualify to be a student of those great people .
    Again, these professors and others I glorified are all eritreans . I consider lucky enough to sit in their classes. I’ve said it before , I will say it again.
    Thanks

  • selam

    Please to some who does not know their history here is some thing you should visit , forgime if there is bad about ELF, EPLF but that is what is history called for.
    Please people like tesfe , habte, and other people you need to visit.
    http://www.ehrea.org/commerT.php

    • tes

      Dear selam,

      This is for you. You don’t even know what happened in Eritrea. Elabored, the first time that I read my home town mis spelled and wrongly mentioned in history. And know also Elabered is a general name, just like Anseba though its origin is from one specific story.

      Correct yourself. There is no crimes recorded in history in Elabered in the date mentioned in a Mosque. And the first mosque built in Eden, commonly called as Elabered is in 1987 (+) or (-) 1 year. Even the majority moslems who now live in Elabered came after the demise of Nadew-Ezi and Rora Mensae war, mostly in 1988.

      Therefore, don’t misguide readers by telling a false history. But I am not saying that there was such atrocities in other places. Ona and Besigdera are the living testimony. And these two villages are very near to Keren city.

      tes

      • Ted

        Tes, i have no clue the situation in “Rora Mensae war, mostly in 1988.” but you are wrong the migration of people to Ela-bered.durring Afabet war. I remember it like yesterday when wounded Ethiopian soldiers wrapped with white bandage over their heads passing by the town, and one of my friends commented ” “keshie yemesilu”( they looks like priests) out loud. He got the spanking of his life from his mother. The time were scary even to celebrate in side your head. That was the time when the reverse migration occurred mostly because the NGO aid became more accessible in liberated areas than Derg controlled areas. It even got worse after the liberation of Massawa.. So to say people migrated to Elabered durring Afaabet war is inaccurate in my own assessment..

        • tes

          Dear Tes,

          I am not a historian to mention the date exactly. Let the historians do that. And for this, I mentioned plus or minus. Concenring the migration, actually I call it demoblization or re-settlemenst, as it is a forced one, as I said before, it is when the people came to Elabered and specially the town Eden. But, Elabered by itself is inhabited by Moslem people, starting from Balwa, go down to Adi-Berbere, then all along the Hotsit area, around Toronka, and then there are some Bilen Moslems in Guba, near Yige’Ar. And basically, Elabered is partially owned by people from Wara and these people are half Christians and half Moslems and all are from the same family.

          Therefore, don’t take it that the Rora-Mensae people came during that period. The same is true in Keren city, now Adi-Habab area. In Eden town also we have the same name, called Adi-Habab which is inhabited by people who came and settled during the war. I remember well as I was at that time grown enough to understand what was happening.

          As per the wounded soldiers, yes you are right. They were like lost folks who were just travelling without any officers to guide. They knock every door to ask for food. Many were dying along the road side. And during Mensae war, elabered was the station for heavy military equipments. Day and night heavy artileries were sent from the newly established strategic place.

          This specific time span, 1987-1989 multiplied the population of Eden city by more than 10 times. Many left back home and few are now living in Eden.

          ANd this time span was an important date for the establishment of the Mosque, which is our subject matter. The rest, you may know better than me and I will stay corrected as history is a matter of recording and memory.

          Parallel to this, even the Catholic Church was built around 1980 and the Orthodox Church was built around the same date of the Mosque and yet the Orthodox Church is under construction.
          But there were churches and mosques around, for example, in Cambo, the Agro state, both for Catholic and Orthodox, in Toronka and many small villages around but now are resettled in Eden.

          Thank you
          tes

      • selam

        http://www.ehrea.org/commerT.php please check and read , that is my only reply Sir.

      • selam

        • 32 civilans were shot dead when the army burned Arafali village. 88 people were executed when the people of Atshoma refused army order to relocated in a protected village this was in March of 1970.
        • In November, 112 people were killed in a mosque at Basadare. The people were collected in the mosque by soldiers who said they would be safe there from a planned air strike; the soldiers then opened fire.
        • On 1st December 1970 625 people were killed in the village of Ona..
        • On 27 January 1971 about 60 civilians, most of them elderly people, were killed by soldiers in a mosque in the village of Elabored
        Here is things i extracted or copied from this site and you will find the things i have posted. This is recorded by the help of HUMAN RIGHTS so i am not in a way making it up. If you have any idea good unless you do not have the authority to dismiss , what is done is done. Take yourself out of the box.

        • On10th of July 1974 over 170 civilians were massacred in Om Hager.
        • On January 31, 1975, when the Eritrean fronts launched an attack on Asmara city. Over the following four days, government soldiers went on the rampage through the city. Civilians were dragged from their houses and executed. According to the Human Right Watch up to 3,000 people were killed in the city
        • In March, 1975, 100 patients in Asmara hospital were killed, their bodies being taken out in trucks to be buried.
        • On 9 March 1975 over 200 civilians in Agordat were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers
        • On 13 March 1975 the Ethiopian soldiers rounded up the villagers of Woki on a piece of waste ground and shot 37 dead
        • On 14 March, 1975 many women, children and old men were bayoneted and pregnant women were slit open / The Ethiopians then killed all the livestock and set fire to the house
        • On 17 April 1975, 235 civilians in Hirgigo were killed by the Ethiopian army
        • In summer 1975, 110 people in the village of Wokiduba were herded into an orthodox church and massacred.
        • In 1975-1976 many youth were killed by steel wires and knifing down in the streets of the capital of Asmara
        Source (Dines 1988; Human Rights Watch 1991)

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          Thank you for nice history revision class. The thing is you are just copy pasting it. You can just give us the link.

          The more you try to sound a data base expert, the more you are vacuum. You are just filling it now but good than not.

          I wish you a good history class and about me, don’t worry I grew up in the area where history was done and I lived among the people who were part of the history. And academically, too much in fact.

          tes

          • selam

            I already gave you the link how many times do you want to copy it. http://www.ehrea.org/commerT.p… but you keep talking , instead read read , as per history i could do better than your wrong idea.

            you deny facts so no point to talk.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Yes I read it. In fact I had this document when I was in Eritrea. PFDJ have all the database about this things that can run without internet connection. And I seldom visit even now to check new entries. Even there are very new data entry that claims Ethiopians did to Eritreans.

            Outside this, what I am saying is, don’t confuse people as if you are bringing a new fact. Copying and pasting without telling the source, as you did first about Elabored, op, Elabered, is one example. And you did before too. Then when people started to ask you the source, you appeared as if you are resourceful enough by posting even the ISBN no. which is available anywhere and especially amazon.

            The thing is, your referencing style exposes your ignorance. A lesson to you

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckhA1Xt8dLY

            tes

            ++ I am used of your own perceived conclusions but what all I said is you copy-pasted it. Does this mean denying the fact?

          • selam

            So what did you say about the crime do you agree or refuse as it never happen ? forget about telling me about how to source .You have said before that this does not happen and i gave it the link now you want me to believe you know this before . Flip flopper say sorry one day it is good for your health and knowledge ,

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            First of all, there is no specific village or town called Elabored, ok, Elabered. Elabered is a general name given for Sub-Zoba. And within this sub-zoba, the number of mosques are known and few in number.

            In the 1970 and up the end, today’s Eden name was called Debaliko. Many freedom fighters knows this name. Elabered was just taken as a name for grant derived from the Agro-Industry located in that area.

            Therefore, there could be crimes committed but the historical record in relation to the name mentioned is wrong as there is no village called Elabered. If you want to correct yourself, well and good.
            One point to consider, every recorded data does not mean that it is correct. Unless there is a cross-check mechanism, a proof, any data is considered as invalid.

            tes

          • selam

            OK Mr.Alpha no point to talk to you ,

        • S.Tesfa

          Dear Selam,
          I hope you got some time to try to elaborate for me how can/come ” Human Right Watch” recorded the incidents and massacres that happened in 1975.

          You wrote that “This is recorded by the help of HUMAN RIGHTS” Watch, but Human Right Watch was founded in 1978 ” with the creation of Helsinki Watch, designed to support the citizens groups formed throughout the Soviet bloc to monitor government compliance with the 1975 Helsinki Accords”.
          And,
          “Americas Watch was founded in 1981 while bloody civil wars engulfed Central America”.
          “In rapid succession in the 1980s, Asia Watch (1985), Africa Watch (1988), and Middle East Watch (1989) were added to what was then known as “The Watch Committees.” In 1988, the organization formally adopted the all-inclusive name Human Rights Watch”.

          I’m asking the above question out of curiosity,
          Greeting,
          S. Tesfa

          • tes

            Dear S.Tesfa,

            Thank you for the information. I had no idea about this history.

            tes

          • selam

            If you continue this road you will lose every thing you think you have . It is not that i am making thus up now. I gave you the reference and you can check who are the authors of this , history .
            Unless you can have any point to tell me .

          • selam

            You mean the genocide in Germany for the Jews is not recorded in the human rights watch, or any thing like that i mean before 1975,You weyanti will go as far as to ask about the record , you idiots have no shame to forget the evil job of your leaders.

    • Habte

      Dear Selam
      I wish you listen to what the wise SJG once told you ” awhilli ”
      Not like you by words I fought against those three leaders including your PFDJ to protect my people with my sweet and blood and paid part of my body and my best comrades
      Hope this will open your eye, again please listen to Mr. SJG

      • sara

        ato habte, your advice to selam is well noted, but the “i fought against three leaders and pfdj to protect my people” needs a bit of clarification, please help us>
        -who are the three leaders you fought to protect your people?
        -when and where and how did you fight pfdj, to protect your people?
        – who are the people you fought with sweet and blood to protect from pfdj?

        • Habte

          Dear Sara
          It was responding to sister Selam concerning the three leaders .
          On her response to me she keep on posting the pic of Haileselsse ,Mengistu and Melese as if care about them and I just want her to know that I fought against them as many Eritreans did with blood and sweet .
          2. Aganist PFDJ when they invited TPLF on our struggle I fought with my blood and sweet as many Eritreans did ,
          3. When and where I think it’s obvious it’s at the time they where trying to destroy my nation and my people on the fields of my country (Eritrea ) I hope I made myself clear .
          Yes we have to protect our nation from PFDJ , couse at this time they are the prime enemy destroying our people and country

          • sara

            now the 1st is clear, but the second and third are not because pfdj didn’t invite tplf- they invited themselves that every eritrean knows about . are you saying pfdj tried to destroy eritrea (my nation)
            or you mean tplf tried but failed. comeon berhe, i mean if your nick is adaption of berhe…. of tplf you are right, but there is another berhe i know who was at burei front who defended that part of our country and he martyred there fighting gallantly. hey i am just trying to make sense to the comment
            you just made. with due respect.

      • selam

        Thanks for protecting us Mr.Habete, i am thankful very any contribution you have made , mind you though you are just ordinary Eritrean, You have to take the batch of honers from your people. Every Eritrean is a fighter so nothing lost in recognizing your braveness. Now you are behind a key board protecting Ethiopian leaders that was my point, why will you reject , “land no people” of Ethiopian strategy. You have left Eritrea to sit on your comfort zone while thousands are in prison demanding their right. What does it make you now. I am afraid if you are Mr.Habte from USA the guy who did not vote for independence , i am just asking do not take me wrong.

        Now about the link it is all the atrocities committed by all Ethiopian leaders and some by Eritreans mainly from ELF, EPLF and PFDJ. if you are in one of these it means you miss to see your organisation crime , what i have posted is real history of your , i do not think , ELF and EPLF were innocent of crime either. As awhilli issue i do not buy it. I have my own understanding and i do take lessons even from the evil weyenti and Eshi goytaye people who are serving in this site. So ok i heard you.

        • Habte

          Dear Selame
          The only thing I can say is you have a areal bee in your bonnet

          • selam

            the fact is you have told me before that means you do nit have mute key. that makes you a river flowing where ever the steepest channel is.

      • Ted

        Habte, “Not like you by words I fought……… ” thank you for your service. Our service to our country can not immune us from criticism.

  • selam

    TO AWATE.COM moderators , Editors

    I wrote this after i filled your questionnaire here you have my take on the next project you may have.

    If you have only old customers and commenting to each other about one idea for a week and they continue to do so for years this is called stone age in website generating customers .Or it is called deep sea craziness if the site is about politics and culture.

    Word of mouth + PR to awate.com

    1.When you’re looking for a new salon to get a haircut, or a great restaurant in a neighboring town, you probably turn to trusted friends, family, or online sources to discover the best rated and reviewed options. These sources are key points for driving traffic for your website, too. Focus on building connections with your fans and followers in order to gain positive reviews and word of mouth recommendations. You can also participate in related forums or comment on blog posts in order to plug your site without coming off as too promotional.In spite of what some tech-savvy web designers and Internet specialists might say, we still haven’t reached a point in our society where a website is a must-have for every single political movment for a fact most people does not care what is going on different sites , Eritrea is a virgin in using internet so the possibility of any site to reach deep to Eritrean people is just nearly zero.Still, if you can afford it and if it’s done correctly, a political website is a great way to raise your name identification in a country just new to internet.While it’s great to include a photo page and general information about your campaign, you need to consciously design your website with features that will help you learn about your visitors, as well as they are new to internet they will probably feel dizzy some times and even disappointed . In addition to a contact page and even a short survey asking voters what issues are important to them. On that question you will find the real result of awate.com impact and who are these people.

    Regardless of what route you take to get your political campaign online, remember that you don’t want to make your website a boring, static page of information about yourself the site must be about the vast majority of people you care.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam selam,
      .
      It is a wonderful suggestion. I hope the owners are paying attention. You are full of surprises to me. I read your posts sometimes as a very young lady and then you show us your mature, intelligent and serious side. Please, please bring this one more often.
      .
      K.H

      • selam

        Hi K.M
        Thanks for your kind words , I do not think i am mature but i have the know how and i have worked about this staff in other places not for any Eritrean or Ethiopian political sites. I thought it is good to throw what you know from experience.The young lady is testing the waters K.M , she want to take as much as she can
        .

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear salam
          You are more than matured, just don’t get distracted.
          1. Yes for change, and we will work for it
          2. We will not take down Eritrea IN OUR ATTEMPT to take down PFDJ.
          3. The state of Eritrea belongs to Eritreans, PFDJ belongs to PFDJ.
          4. We won’t forget the ordeal we faced, the sacrifices we made, and those who subjected us to endure those sacrifices. This is what make us strive for a better Eritrea.
          Regards.

          • selam

            Thanks Saleh , It is always good to hear a commitment that never dies , As per the distraction , sorry you feel that way , i will do my best.

    • tes

      Dear selam,

      This is unethical. You were asked to fill the questionaire not to post what your opinion is here. You need to follow survey response guidelines. Learn please.

      tes

      • selam

        Tesfe , i am not sure what you want to say ? did i break any rule , any ethical guideline , please tell me ?

        You have asked me to learn so many times in which i do not care what you say. Now did i in any way make bad thing for saying some thing about site , Please tell to some one you know who can listen to your idea ,

        You have a problem get it out some where , unless i did what i did and i guess awate.com did not find it bad. You dismiss my pots about the crime and i gave you a link so it means you have to do your home work.

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          Being unethical is different. Again, I didn’t say that you wrote bad or good. It is your own and I have no business with that. But the method you followed is not proper. It is not meant for public but to the intended purpose. And don’t conspire “the intended purpose”. It just mean, you missed the objectives of the survey.

          tes

    • Thanks selam,
      The survey has a space for adding commenting and for some reason you decided to post your comments on an unrelated article. The survey as you know, is attached on a different content. It would have been nice if you included them there for information organization purposes.

      It seems you have ideas that can help the website, one of the survey questions is meant to identify able people who can help. We hope you have volunteered. If so, please contact it is a gmail account. (the contact address of the survey monitors).

      Thank you

  • selam

    Dear habte

    Welcome i was actually waiting for you to respond so there is no surprise you did not waste any time. Now who are you to say to me whether i support HGDEF or not . I am not obliged to tell to people like you . I do not consider you to be a person with an asset to our people. Now lets come to the picture. The picture in two part the upper one for people like you and others and the bottom one that three of your bosses eye are connected parallel as they suck the ethiopian young to death and hack our people to death too. The bottom picture is how we all Eritreans see Ethiopian leaders.If you want to debate about them you are well come as the article is every thing about them.But you replied to tesfe about the land and the people. You want to deny it and i did respond with out saying too much. For a fact you and like you people are a liability to our struggle now what is you business then ? what is the thing you believe and defend ?

    You want to talk about PFDJ lets wait and see in other article and lets compare your vision and my vision if you have any of that kind. I debate with people i think are reasonable but i do not find you in that category Mr.Eshi , what is that itching under your skin, spit it. You will feel better

    • Habte

      Dear Selam
      I feel terribly sorry for you , cause you don’t know your limits . Who gave you the right to give or take away once citizenship ?? If you do have idea just bring your ideas and debate them , don’t jump to something that you have no authority at all .
      You want to know my stand I have been against your PFDJ from its inception and I will stand against any idea of PFDJ that inprisons our people wether your so called PFDJ is reformed or not .
      You have no idea what to stand with the people means you just spit whatever you are told by your masters PFDJ .
      You are against the opposition you name and even label anybody against your idea you have no clue how to respect and entertain different ideas I wonder what kind of Eritrea you are standing for
      Don’t you know that we Eritreans have divers cultures languages and backgrounds and this on itsself has its effects on how we see issues from different Angels . Don’t we have to compromise with different ideas to create the Etitrea that our people fought and died for ?
      You have no clue what our opposition groups or organizations are going through you just criticize them and give them all kind of names from your comfort zone . Have you minimally done what the opposition has done ?
      In any struggle their must be an organized body to lead the struggle and yes we are not lucky enough to have one strong organized body to lead and be the vanguard of the struggle and we hope through sacrifice and endless effort we will be able to settle our minor difference and creat this strong United organization . But I want to assure you we do have more than enough individuals who comuflage themselves as anti-PFDJ and try to stir contradictions within the opposition with their filty language .
      Sister Selam no matter how much you try and no matter what kind of detergent you use you can not clean yourself from being PFDJ . You have been totally brainwashed you are unable to see the other side .

      Regards

      • selam

        I think i am more young than you so i will just listen to what you say and i will take what is good for me unless you can not lecture me on what i believe and understand , you can only correct me about my mistakes , as of the picture that is true and i do not give any sic to your sugar coating words about. Now you have said i am PFDJ and i think you have judged me more than once so why will i accept your saying. Do i know Eritrean history from A to Z no , i did not say that. Do i say the oppositions are weak yes , i have the evidence of the suffering of the Eritrean people for almost 23 years . Do support weyenti no never i will never do that , they are evil and remain to be evil, you want to defend them go write a boook. Do i say any thing good or advance any of IA no , if you say yes bring the prove.

        Because i challenged abinet or other peoples understanding it does not mean i am in bed with PFDJ ideas, It will make you stupid and lair if you accuse people from zero just from hearing some people say it. Do i need your aproval to be in the opposition camp no, i do not consider you any thing like that, nor do i know you about that.

        Now do i need to debate with some Eritreans on ideas how to bring IA down yes but this article is not about that. You want accuse me for not debating on nice ideas with people from south no i will not do that.

  • Abinet

    Latitude and longitude co-ordinates , please. The number of horn countries is growing. The new ones;
    Eritrea, S, Sudan, Red Sea LL
    Who is next?

    • selam

      Oroma will be the largest country from the newest

  • tes

    Dear Abinet,

    Do you forget that, “We don’t need the people but the land” slogan of Ethiopians aggressors? Those who you are mentioning left Eritrea because they didn’t to be killed. Don’t feel proud about hosting a refugee. Refugee is a refugee and MZ proved that well in 1998.

    tes

    • Abinet

      Tes
      Help me here. Where did I mention the refugees? Either you don’t read well or you don’t comprehend a simple paragraph. It can’t get any simpler than that and you failed to comprehend it . Too bad.
      Regarding the we need only the land not the people, it is actually happening as we speak. you have the land but not the people. Talk about colony collapse .

      • tes

        Dear Abinet, Didn’t you talk about Eritreans who served during Hailessilassie and Derge, the professors that were teaching you? Who are they? Are they living in their home land? Aren’t they refugees?

        Concerning the later, yes it is happening and we are fighting agaist it as we did to Ethiopian aggressors. But don’t worry, about us. Just modify your eye glass to read and see developments soon. I am always worried about your declining eye-sightedness.

        tes

        • Abinet

          WHAT?
          My professors as refugees? While living in their villas?
          You are going too low just to win a debate.
          So you consider all eritreans as refugees? Is that what you think ? It was their country before the still born independence arrived wrapped in your flag . Independence in name slavery in practice.
          Well, I guess you got what you wanted . Refugees. This time not in the villas, not in addis , not at bole, qera, teklehaimanot, old airport, nefas silk, sidamo tera and many affluent neighborhoods where you used to find majority eritreans. Now you find them in the middle of nowhere in a tent. You get what you wish.

          • Kokhob Selam

            ጓዴ መጥፋትሽ ነው ተስፋ ኮ ህግደፎችን ኣፈር ኣስበላቸው !ይቅርብሽ!!

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            Are you saying ” miemenan Tig yazu ?” Ayzon!!
            Wend lij tamo enji ferto aymotm.

          • Kokhob Selam

            በለው ! ኣንተ ጉራ ኮ ተማርክ : ለነገሩ ከነትሪክ ጋር የሰነበተ ምን ይቀርለታል : Lol.

          • tes

            Dear Abinet,

            Cool down. You will go no where now. Yes the great professors were living in Villas, you are right. But, as they were Eritreans, MZ kicked them out simply because he didn’t like their eye color. He forgot what they did to Ethiopian people. Almost all the professors you mentioned were also my professors, some died and some are alive.

            They were kicked-out from their precious villas simply because they are Eritreans. They thought that Ethiopia is their home but they were wrong. That is what a refugee is? Don’t you have the history of the jews people?

            tes

    • Habte

      Dear tes
      As smart and intelligent as you are I couldn’t believe it you would feel to the cheap propaganda of “we need the land not the people ”
      Thanks
      Habte

      • selam

        I was trying sth but i find this , so i want to send it to and others like you.

        • Nitricc

          lol Selam. oh my god. this is funny lol gonociderrs? lol you know what the Eshi-Goytay will be all over you. you better brace the attack. i bet you the first one to come after you is Semere Andom, wedi aboy Andom. i don’t even rule it out Tes, he is a closet Eshi goytay. i think? what do you think of Tes? i think he is a border line Eshi-Goytay.

          • selam

            They do not need to come to attack me , what posted here is the difference about how we(Eritreans) see ethiopian leaders.I think tesfe knows and belive these three are killers and i do not expect him to attack me , but the other Ethiopians and eshi GOytay people will say sth i guess.

            We Eritreans believe these 3 leaders are killers and murderers as well as genociders but the Abisinians , dergi and weyenti has different understanding so that is just the nature of our political history.

          • Nitricc

            hey Selam; who do you think the worst among the three killers for Eritrea ?
            don’t count the Eshi-Goytay people; they have the honer to be the worst one.

          • selam

            My family are affected greatly by the two last , I mean dergi and MZ. My family paid heavely at the time of Dergi do you remember On 27 January 1971 about 60 civilians, most of them elderly people, were killed by soldiers in a mosque in the village of Elabored our family lost relatives , but i am not taking this out all the Eritrean people suffering i am just giving you an example. But we can differ in our pick so no issue i guess.I do know there are so many many countless cruelity that can be told.

            This is just to mention

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            First learn to spelll spell Ela-bered correctly. Second, there is no any historical record in Elabered committed as you described. Are you talking about Besigdira and Ona?

            Please please please, don’t spoil our history. http://www.shabait.com/categoryblog/2198-sheeb-a-commemoration-that-firmly-honors-martyrs-trust

            What you are trying to do is, you are trying to act as if you are knowledgeable about Keren and its environs. Please don’t pretend. We need your ideas or your facts not your identity. Don’t waste your energy for trying to convince us your identity. The more your try to convince us who you are, the more you will be exposed. I gave this advice early. Unfortunately, you didn’t follow my good advice and now you are almost exposed naked as a PFDJista propogandista.

            tes

          • selam

            Just visit this site , i am not like you http://www.ehrea.org/commerT.php it is my families history so no worries about your aluff words so just fisit , I at least contributed to documment this tragedy in this website just go read all .

          • Ted

            Nitricic, Tes is langa- langa but still plays their (Eshi GoitaY) tune to extent.

      • tes

        Dear Habte,

        Your point can be well taken if I just brought that point. If I am mistaken correct me. but Abinet is trying to defend the atrocities committed by former Ethiopian leaders and especially Derge. I asked him before if he was member of Derge. And if you follow his comments, he is here for a purpose. And for such people, I use Newton’s law. Abinet deserves more than any body here newton’s law, this is my recent approach to him.

        But if it is not true historically, I hear your point.

        tes

        • Abinet

          I am deeply disappointed Sir Issac Newton’s theory of motion is wasted by a person like you .Tes , mentioning authorities like Newton doesn’t make you any smarter. I’m not impressed either.
          Newton ‘s Law of motion is as elementary physics as it gets. My 7th grade son can explain everything for you . He can also demonstrates everything for you . It is not a new concept at all . It is as old as Newton. Please drop it . I think you are an example of his first law of motion. I think you are an object in stationary…. You need someone to apply a force or something to move you from this nonsense.
          Listen, let alone you to understand physics theory, I doubt you can understand a compound sentence . Now go back to studying your dictionary and leave me alone .
          Don’t tell me action- reaction crap. I learned that theory before you were born .
          Someone like you will never ever graduate from AAU. You don’t even last 2 semesters. A Professor like Equbay Zeru or Dr Abebe Gidey will kick you out of class in a heartbeat.
          Actually a professor like Dr Fesseha Haile will slap your face.
          You here me? Don’t bring your elementary physics at awate university. We are way beyond that . All of us .

          • Ted

            Abinet a little testy, what happened “Someone like you will never ever graduate from AAU. You don’t even last 2 semesters. A Professor like Equbay Zeru or Dr Abebe Gidey will kick you out of class in a heartbeat.” tes got under your skin, struck a raw nerve , he has a habit bringing the worst out of people. Well, in your case you asked for it. We are not here to be lectured about the greatness of your TPLF leaders, the rising Ethiopia and the weak and fragile Eritrea rather to find the common ground between the two people to work together. When you stir and shake haterad as Ethiopian from Gonder(which i seriously doubt ) trying to put wedge between people and add salt on our wound, it is only natural to get slapped left and right. Be brave and take off your mask and fight as your bosses. Let us one thing clear and we go from there. We love our independence and we don’t take it lightly when people or groups directly or indirectly work to sabotage it.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            You spotted him and he is now naked. I used Newton’s law to expose him fully. I am done now with this wicked left-out of Derge junta, the killers group.

            With Regards
            tes

          • Ted

            Tes, i rather see you go after him than selam habtey. He is hateful, shrewd, dishonest and likes to gloat at misery of (Eritreans). What is the deal between you two(selam). You can’t even let her get away with typo of name or place. Wey Gud, at times cordial and next at each others throat, may be you know each other in the past life.
            cheers,

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            The problem with selam is, I know her language. On personal level, I wish I did. But sure she knows me.

            tes

          • Abinet

            Ted
            You know who gloat at your misery? You should know it by now . It is the people who brought you slavery in the name of independence. they are laughing all the way to Swiss bank. You are barking at a wrong tree here. It is those people who sale the young ones, rape the minors, inslave the whole population are gloating at your misery.
            Keep whining, keep blaming, keep playing victim, . And also, keep your independence.
            Ted, stay in the 12th century and keep thinking in ethnic lines .

          • Amde

            I can truthfully say I never expected to read the sequence of words “You spotted him and he is now naked. I used Newton’s law to expose him fully.” in any context – especially political. Hilarious.

          • Abinet

            Ted
            Let me make it clear for you one more time.
            I Love your independence more than you do . I promise to do everything in my power to keep you independent. I don’t take my independence lightly either.
            I’m i clear?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abye,

            I have been travelling a lot these days and did not get a chance to get back at you, but thank you so much for defending me…. Ma’an Alegn yalante… 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            እንዴ!! ምነው ?ማን ኣለ ኣንተን ያላስታወሰ : ጥገና ያለው ብትል – የማያወላውል ለውጥ ያለ ብትል -ደደቢቱ ወይኔው …ኣረ ይሳሕሉ ብትል የባርካው – ማን ኣለ እዮብየ ያላለ ? እንድያው ውድድ በቃ!

          • Abinet

            Eyobe
            Megen yarada lij ene dingay kuwasu
            Kemechew teTertew kemechew derresu
            Earlier I heard you singing with Hirut BeKele. I like the old ” gelawa ” much better.
            Eyobe, stay in the other room. This one is a little bit too hot for your comfort. It is also suffocating, no windows for fresh air. It is a recycled air from 1960’s . Tired of it already.
            Eyobe,
            “Ene ende zinjero
            Adare girgir, wloye ambaguwaro
            Ante nefse ToTa
            SitmeTa bedbiq
            Sthed bedefeTa
            And lay eyalen
            Megenagna taTa ”

            Don’t ask me where I read it . I don’t remember.
            Good to hear your voice.

          • Ted

            Abinet, you are the embodiment of Hippocrates “I Love your independence more than you do”. Didn’t you say “we fought for 30 yrs to keep you in”. I hate to give you free diagnosis for your head problem but you have an issue of disassociative disorder. You are agonizingly split between TPLF and Ethiopia. i think It is time you know you can’t have it all. I am sure you think i am being cruel to add to your misery but it is good( for your own recovery journey) to know Eritrea is gone for good. You accused 400k Eritreans milking Ethiopians, we say thank very much, coz it takes a genius to milk 90Million cows..

          • Abinet

            Ted
            I have said time and again that I was devastated when eritrea was gone . You must be new around here . But now when I see your departure is more beneficial to ethiopia, I said , wait a minute, this is a very good thing!
            I don’t think you were around when I said May 24 is our independence day, do you ? You see you are new . I said it over 2 years ago. It is really difficult to clarify everything for every new comer or for someone who pretends to to be new.
            Ted , you said ” it takes a genius to milk 90million cows.”
            About two years ago the all time philosopher LT said
            “Ethiopians are animals.” Recently someone called as donkeys.
            I think it is time to return it back to you .
            It takes a genius to get rid of millions of eritreans in the name of supporting their independence . When I think about it now, it was really a nicely done show. How did I miss to notice that ?
            Support their independence, let them milk us for a while, let them think that they are Japan or Singapore or whoever they want except themselves, and when they are comfortable, kick them out . Beautiful, just beautiful! Genius! Who orchestrated the show? The all time genius former PMMZ. Rest In Peace .
            Ted, this is for you
            Telaten Siregmew
            “Kef bel , kef bel ,
            Kef kef , kef kef
            Keziya yewedek elet
            ATntih endayterf ”
            ( tagel seifu)

          • Abinet

            Ted
            Sorry to come back . I forgot to sing for you about the ” cow” thing. BTW, I’m not surprised there. That is the least I expect.
            Embuwa bey lamitu
            Korma weladitu
            Embuwa bey lame bora
            Yiblagn enji jibu keAnchi gara
            ( muluken melese)
            Lam/cow/ethiopia
            Jib/ eritrea/ the milkman

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            I love this piece. You said it perfectly. You know what, facts are facts. And we Eritreans have thousands of ways to tell our true story. We don’t need to insult or propagate. PFDJ spoiled our history though insulting. History is wisdom but isulting is disgusting and undisciplined. ANd it is because of this that I hate PFDJ mindset and so does people like selam and Nitricc. Insulting is only good only when you lost everything you have as a proof as what Abinet is doing here and there.Let’s show him his ignorance. But I am afraid for his health. He might be in blood pressure and more than that his eyes are dying. Let therefore right only what he deserves.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Abinet,

            You are not from engineering school and you don’t know how Newton’s law is applied. Physics for you was the toughest for you. You fooled yourself thinking that joining social stream will ever save your from physics class. Unfortunately, here is tes using simple phyics laws to smash you out from the game.

            By the way, did I read you praising Sir Issac Newton’s theory of motion? And then, you understimated him as if it is an elementary course, Junior class. How physics laws which are provided by great Sir Issac Newton’s theory of motion be given to grade 7 students?

            Dear Abinet, Newton was such a great man to give us vey simple laws that can be even given to middle class students. He simplified the law and made it simple. And as it is very vital to our daily life, it is introduced in the the curriculum of middle class students to learn it. The laws are simple but their application is enornmous.

            And know that Newton’s law given to middle school, high school, first degree, Physics 101, advanced phycics, to engineering, to astnaughts, to pilots is quite different though the main concept is as simple as it is.

            Just refer these two pdf books, just scan them and you will understand what I mean

            http://www.ait.net/lessons/Science_3.pdf

            http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/poisson/research/mech.pdf

            For sure, your son is just studying the terms, he is not even touching the first document.

            And now here you are coming with your ignorance to tell me about that. Fool yourself.

            The rest is just your final trial of sounding big. You will be smashed through collision theory and I will bombard you after in a nuclear plant and this will be done by extracting hydrogen atoms from your organic compounds.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            “…I will bombard you after in a nuclear plant…” GOOD LORD, TES, where is Hope, when we need him. I think things are getting out of control. I think it is about time you and Abinet not exchange notes for a while. I don’t see too much love there. Tes, please don’t use the nuclear option on Abinet, he is the only passionate representative we have here.
            I did have a couple of chuckles but since it is at the expense of friends I have to call on Hope to ENEGELAGELACHEW.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I didn’t chose to use but it happened as a must. Abinet deserves it no matter how passionate he is. Wicked people are always dangerous and can only be bombarded. Don’t worry though it will only de-politicize him and he will continue to live peacefully after.

            tes

  • selam

    I have said before and i will say it again. Stop rising believe and religion. As you know
    NO one is going to lecture ,me on your so called KESHI , who eats when ever he go to church to make people lazy. So it is better you dump your KESHI with his fiction book and join me to the knowing of yourself and be free.

    I admit the tesfa news are twin of tigraionline .com where you have took your courses.
    Now as per being relatives i do not deny the origin of any one. Who knows , if we track may be 1000 years back, we could have been on the same place Eating KUUNTI. Now relax agme is a big historical place with great great leaders , so stop playing victim here.

    As per the evil eye and leper , forget it is way way old traditional way of understanding , i do not believe such people existed.

  • selam

    I can give you almost 100,000 Ethiopians on the street of all Europeans and some of them saying eritreans citzen. Forget about my Ethiopian sisters who are in the middle east on harsh condition , mutilation by the arabs. Forget the oromos in yemen by 100,000 of them , forget the people who are using eritrean name when they want to get visa by quota from America canada, all over the world , i can go on and on about the migration isssue but it will be make me fool if i did not see at the same numbers in all Europe and america.

    Now do you think we forget our country because we happens to migrate , no we do not,. As a matter of fact you are using the brilliance of the Eritrean peoples work. Look at awate.com for more prove. They are the product of the Eritrean people and they hold a great pride for that. Now you can say every thing about migration But the shift to vatican as i said before is the impossible , so did i told you clearly we should live with our sea hungry people .

    • tes

      Dear selam,

      Just for the sake of argument and learning.

      You wrote, “They are the product of the Eritrean people and they hold…”. Ok, let me define what a product is: (Nitricc wedi boy Seemere Tesfai – here I am with my dictionary)

      Product according to online businessdictionary is defined as:

      1. A product idea, method, information, object or service created as a result of a process and serves a need or satisfies a want. It has a combination of tangible and intangible attributes (benefits, features, functions uses) that a seller offers a buyer for purchase<

      2. Law: A commercially distributed good that is one: tangible personal property, two: Output or a result of a fabrication, manufacturing, or production process and, three: passes through a distribution channel being
      consumed or used.

      3. Marketing: A good or service that most closely meets the requirements of a particular market and yields enough profit to justify its continued existence.

      I have two questions then for you:

      1. Which definition did you take into account?
      2. Are are part of the people or product of the people?

      tes

      • selam

        Dear Tesfe

        Why are you interested in protecting the weyane people , i know you are Eritrean and i know you love your people more than any thing , i do not understand what is your logic .

        Now back to the meaning of product of. What i mean was just they are Eritreans that is it.If you take my word for mathematical meaning it will sound nice as awate.com owners are Eritreans so the formula will make more sense.

        Because the argument was about shipping Eritrea near Vatican to have peace with weyane and get ride of IA.

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          Did I say about what you said regarding what you are talking here? I am just meditiating on your word usage. Beyond that I am familiar with your twisted flip-flopping. I very clearly quoted and just talked about the point that I want. Be civil ok. On ideas, you can never challenge me, you know that unless you will twist the thing by labeling.

          tes

          • selam

            IF any one say i am the only king of ideas , he is not a true king ideas.

  • Nitricc

    Semere; I just finished reading your post and all I got to say is thank you. it is amazing to see two Semere-s same Eritreans and yet, one stands up for the truth and tell it as is, in dafence of his country and people. The other; a master of ESHI-GOYTAY! Busy attacking his country; siding with the enemy of the nation and worst begging the enemy to invade his country. WOW
    Thank you Semere-T. You nailed it right in the head when you say…

    “The reason: grudge, territorial expansion, to heal and restore the pride of a wounded divided defeated Nation, to liberate themselves from the general public-perception (pawn of ShaEbia), to earn legitimacy to govern Ethiopia, and most of all to turn the clock back to 1991 in order to “negotiate” future Ethio-Eritrean relation, with a divided defeated humiliated Eritrea, led by a worthless Woyane installed puppet government. And the plan worked – well, almost.”

    Thanks to you and people like you, our flag is flying high with absolute dignity and pride.

    http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/animated-flag-gif/gifs/Eritrea_240-animated-flag-gifs.gif

    • Semere Tesfai

      Nitricc

      Thank you Nitricc Wedey.

      I don’t know if I deserve all that (for just voicing my opinion), but again thank you.
      Eritrea will always be safe, secure, stable and prosperous country because of you (the young generation). And for me and my generation there is nothing rewarding and gratifying than seeing your children taking the initiative and the responsibility to defend the people and the land we all love. Thank you for being proud Eritrean and thank you for waving the flag. Mission accomplished.

      Nitricc, I’m always proud of you. Don’t change, be yourself, be a nationalist, defend every Eritrean and every square inch of Eritrean land. Remember, nations are saved and protected by nationalists, not by narrow minded warriors. And wherever we are, there is always valuable contributions we could do to the people and to the land we all love. Thank you.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Nitricc

        Semere, Don’t you even worry. I have thrown my self for the Eritrean cause. it is not coincidence or something i decided in knee jerk reaction, rather well thought out decision and strong conviction on my part. so, people like Semere and Mahmuday sacrifices is not going to be in vain. if everything goes as well, I will represent you guys and what you stood for and i will die serving my country and defending my people. you can count on that. one day. the truth is, we all be on our death bed and I can’t imaging more heart warming and satisfying than the likes of Semere and Mahmuday; smiling and be at peace with yourself knowing what you have done and what you have endured for the sake of others, i couldn’t think any thing more rewarding than that. knowing that i won’t go away for nothing. i will make it happen; or else, i will die trying. knowing the the Eshi-goytay existence the task is not easy but it will be done.
        so, Semere Qisen; ALENA.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ሕጊ ዘየማሓድራ ጨርቂ !

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Kokhob Selam;
        Indeed all world flags are a mere peice of cloth; but they have a special place in that they represent sovereign nations and people. The flag you are trying to discredit is the de facto representation of the long struggle of the Eritrean people’s struggle for self-determination and independence. The noble objectives for which our martyrs gave their precious lives have not yet seen the day’s light for reasons the whole world knows. But shoud we blame those who presented us with our independence and a flag? No, it is very unfair, they’ve done their share, they cannot die for us twice. Now it is our time to follow up on their mission and strive to build a nation that we all be proud of.
        Always proud to be Eritrean.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Abraham The greatista
          Proud of you.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday, don’t forget the only great man in awate is Haile. no one can get that position, please. Hope he will be around son. Abraham is on the way to be the great but not the great still. :). I am proud of Abraham and you too.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ato KS
            Because Ethiopians love their flag you know the wrath that MZ faced. Don’t you? Why do you think they love it? A flag is not a mere piece of an apparel, it’s a symbol of sovereignty, my friend. Just because MZ said it, it doesn’t mean it’s right. He could be your model in many things, but not on this one. But hey, you have the right of self-expression as long as the Republic Of Awate laws allow you. In some places of the world this could land you in a jail. Regarding the color and design of our flag, this current flag will remain to be the sole Eritrean flag until decided otherwise by a democratically deligated law-making body according to the constituition of such a time.
            So, yes AH is the greatista. Haile remains holding the tiltle “The Great.” You see I didn’t say “The Great”, I said “the greatista.” Ha..haha…lol.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes, some countries do that but they put it in black and white and sure in that case I will not say what I said because that is part of the rule. Mahmuday for example Selam don’t believe in God’s present she might be executed if she say so in some countries. In Eritrea as far as the flag is serving PFDJ without any system, my stand for flag might have put me in prison only as it serves the mafia group but no other reason currently. When we have constitution and the flag that represents as then only I can be wrong for saying this flag is just nonsense rug. By the way, PFDJ let me hate this combination of color. I will be the first to ask for change . don’t mind on that.

            Meles is the most progressive man I saw so far. His stand is very clear and honest. for that Ethiopian flag – he was the one who gave meaning.

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,

            One of the grave mistakes committed by MZ was calling the Ethiopian flag “a piece of clothe”. The Ethiopian tricolor existed during Emperor Menelik II, Haile Selassie, the Dergue and now TPLF/EPRDF. Each one of them have their marks on the flag, which characterize each government. I do not know about Menelik II, but emperor HS had the “Lion of Juda”, the Dergue had a “compass, may be a sickle” (I cannot be sure), and now EPRDF has the “5As with lines radiating in all directions”; (I do not know what they really mean). These signs on the Ethiopian flag show the period and governments of the time.

            On the other hand, the Ethiopian tricolor is a symbol of the nation (the people and the land). It does not represent a government as such. The essence behind the flag is the people and the country, it is the symbol of their unique sovereignty. It does not represent the political ideology of the rulers. It is the added symbols on the flag, which represent the ideology of those in power. Therefore, one cannot measure the level of
            democracy, the rule of law, or human rights etc of the country by the flag, as MZ put it. These are determined by the constitution, and whether the constitution is respected or not by those who put it in writing
            Regards.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            I got the idea. here I want you to put your self in my place- be an Erirean and see. your all governments attached the flag as a sing of heroism, although I was against Derg, and in my very young edge against Haileslase I didn’t hate the flag of Ethiopia. because I have attached it as the sign of people. and then don’t forget there were always a kind of rule to defend even to the lowest level.

            The flag you watching above was the replacement of our original blue flag which was known internationally even during federation with Ethiopia. the worst thing is even the heroes were arrested killed and forgotten by the first but illegal government of Eritrea. it doesn’t mater if it is democratic or not but at least it should be the sign of people.

            Regarding Meles, I will leave Ethiopians to say more. but the reason why he said so was not because he hate the flag I think. He was explaining the importance of the flag is for practical love of the nation. and showed he the world Ethiopians main enemy is poverty and he fight till his end.

            thank very much Horizon

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,

            I know that you do not hate the Ethiopian flag. If you were the citizen of Eritrea and Ethiopia, I am sure both countries would have been proud of you.

            I did not want to comment on the Eritrean flag, because it is a topic on which I have no knowledge. It is up to the Eritrean people to discuss democratically about their flag in the future, and decide on the type of flag they would like to have, I hope that day will come.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,
            Honestly speaking deep inside me I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia. after all, nationalism remains artificial and our Habeshanism is the root for both. the future of Ertrea na Ethiopia is bright, we will see 2 nations in one.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Could you clarify please what you mean,

            1. I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia

            2. Nationalism remains artificial and our Habeshanism is the root for both?

            3. we will see 2 nations in one?

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother tesfa,
            1, I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia. means – I love both nations equally.

            2. there is a long long history that attach those two nations. in one era we Eritreans found ourselves colonized. since then we own internationally recognized boarder. Eritrea was created with this artificial colonialism. Unity with Ethiopia was not wrong as we are one people if it was the choice of both people. unfortunately we both fail in making it as we didn’t put into consideration the choice of people. Ex-governments of Ethiopia totally ignore our people and we went long fighting to make separate nation called Eritrea. all African countries and Eritrea who were colonized were artificially created- I don’t mean that is wrong. what I mean is here was also identities before colonialism created through long history. We are both Habesha.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Then what? This is what I am asking for. I know the literal terms of these pieces. I am asking about politics.

            And, you mentioned, artificial border. Then what?

            Dear KS, I am asking for more elaborated clarification as I want to learn the contextual meaning of these sentences from these people with good heart like you. Curiousity based question.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes, who can say it more than you. I will just leave it to you.

            Hey, you know my next project? in this globalization era there are good things and bad things, among the bad things one and worst is the death of cultures in different countries. those who don’t strive will lose their culture. going through this fast electronic time is so difficult people will be come busy forgetting their ethics and culture. I want to play my role in defending the wonderful culture and ethics of Habesha, keeping it alive and putting it strong to go for all centuries to come. I want to put the unshakable base before I depart. This is big dream, My the almighty help me, Amen. with love nothing is impossible.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I would frankly say that we have unresolved issues here but I will wait another good day to go deep into it for more clarification. Neverthless all is good.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear KH,
            Wow! One has to have an extra-ordinary heart to put this boldly. There were many of us with the same feeling on the
            two countries as yours. Unfortunately, this positive feeling that we had at some time in our life has lost. That is why we say you are special one. We pray to God to help in retrieving the spirit we lost few decades back.

          • Abinet

            Rahwa sistu
            Kokobe is a minority. A Special person . How do you reconcile with the likes of Ted , who is in the majority, when he proudly say ” it takes a genius to milk 90 million cows”
            I say someone must be stupid or a hyena to eat the cow that he milks . I need nothing with anyone who has this attitude. Sorry if I disappoint you. You know I don’t like sugar coating.
            “It takes a genius to milk 90 million cows.” Ted , the wise man !!!!

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Abinet,

            I very much appreciates your endurance to deal with halve a dozen of die-hard PFDJ cadres and individuals who claim they oppose their government. Few of them are not better than the “woyalas”. “andandochu woyalawochachinen yasnQalu”. In fact we have many nice “woyalas” at home. I read most of your (other Ethiopian and few Eritreans) strong comments and replies when I have internet connection. Sometimes I am tempted to respond to some of the comments, but leave it to you and others who have nice “pen” and writing
            skill. Specially you (we) are facing the same old ideas from new faces. Some of the comments thrown are so dangerous that I am afraid they would escalate in widening the rift between the two peoples.

            It is surprising to see that there are many “feTaTa sewoch” who do not feel any shame when they dare say that milking 90 million people by few million “smarts” is normal. Surprisingly, Ted and co. argues that the 90 million people should have kept quite when their home is by freely roamed by foreigners. Sorry to use the term “foreigners”, but we have to face the reality. I still believe that before independence, leaving aside their political inclination and the amount of support to EPLF, all (not most), including those who were living in Eritrea (as part of Ethiopia) or in mainland Ethiopia were Ethiopians. As well said by you and other great guys, once a given people/nation declared its independence, the new citizens should have realized that they were foreigners and cannot do it both ways. So the cries and screaming from some “feTaTa” men and women such as Ted will not bring any change on the reality as there is no rationality in their argument. Let them cry day in and out.

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa.T

            You see i and you have the same understanding but from different angle. The foreigners who come to your home and take the wealth that is unacceptable by me. I hope you stay honest and tell how the Eritreans who have been working their whole life and created wealth in addiss abeba lost their hard earned wealth just they happens to be Eritrean forget the intimidation and humiliation thing aside. That is Evil ,ugly and very very hard to forget. In Eritrea it is like yesterday story .

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,

            “Honestly speaking deep inside me I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia”, which means that you loved equally both countries. This is a great thing to say when one’s Eritreanism is measured by how much one hates the opposite side. As much as some people are concerned, even if one is born, grown up, has seen good times and bad times in Ethiopia, and has childhood memories, it is a crime to entertain such feelings. Loving equally the whole world and the whole of humanity is a crime, when a country is founded on narrow nationalism, because it requires a controlled and disciplined society that reflects the viewpoint of those at the top, no matter what. A true patriot does not have to hate another country to prove that he loves his country. I am sure
            many are proud of you.

          • selam

            How do you see the two nation in one, Just simple explanation would be enough.The mechanism are really not far but the two people are way way far to this idea of one nation. I just think it is a wishful thinking from nice people

          • Kokhob Selam

            every thing seems impossible before it starts and everything seems possible and easy when it is accomplished. it takes willingness and action but everything is possible. Selam before you were born it was impossible such wonderful lady will appear but now you are here moving all ideas, the bad once and good once, little once big once.

            it seems impossible you will become progressive leader but I am certain you will approach wisdom saying”oh, I was too young to see the truth” Lol

          • T. Kifle

            Hi Horizon,

            It seems you are stating the same premises what MZ stated then and claim you are saying different. You are not. MZ didn’t deny the true meaning the flag represents. I really fail to understand why some people cannot understand the context particular issue was said or written. He didn’t simply jump of and said what he had to say. He was asked by a journalist what could the fate of the flag during his government be almost similar question he was asked when rumours were whiffing around regarding the fate of the lion logo of the Ethiopian Airline. His answer was correct then and correct today. He said something closer to this” We don’t have a problem with the flag. We have a problem with the people who in the name of this flag perfected extralegal torture and killing of people. For us the sovereign symbols of the nation are the people. I cannot understand one reveres a piece of close while torturing and killing people, the sovereign symbols of the nation, at will”.
            His also answered the log issue in a similar line. I can’t understand where his was mistake except he happened to had opponents that would go any distance to question his patriotism, worse even his “Ethiopianism”.

          • Dear T. Kifle,
            I do not think that I am saying the same thing. The Ethiopian flag represents one and only one thing, the Ethiopian nation, as the flag of the state of Tigray represents the people of Tigray. The Ethiopian flag does not represent the rulers of the land or the system of government (feudalism or communism and the injustices that go with these systems). None of these flags should be characterized as “a piece of cloth (ጨርቅ). After all, he was no ordinary person to say this, and he was planning to rule Ethiopia. Many have fallen at different battlefields carrying these flags, either to defend the sovereignty of the Ethiopian nation in the first case, or for the sake of democracy and the rule of law in the second.

            I for one do not question MZ’s patriotism or his Ethiopianism. We should accept that as any human being he was not infallible. He new very well that the Ethiopian flag has a special place in the Ethiopian psyche, and when he said “ጨርቅ”, at that time and place, it was meant to have a political impact, and unfortunately, it had a shade of contempt and disdain. Let us accept his merits, as a person who brought change to Ethiopia, without saying that he was perfect, and without denying that he made some mistakes.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Yes, I think I agree with you on the flag issue. It was one of those being technically correct but wrong on the timing or messaging.
            T. Kifle mentioned the talk of the lion logo around that time. PMMZ had a great answer to the question that was raised about the lion logo of the Ethiopian Airlines, I think it was when he was in U.S.
            .
            He responded by saying that it was his first time he was hearing about it. However, he added I have no quarrel with the lion. ( Ene kanbesaw gar Til yelegnem. — there was laughter in the room) He explained how the airlines business decision is being made. If memory serves me well there was not even a follow up question.
            .
            I thought I will throw that in.
            .
            K.H

          • Abinet

            Kim
            Let me throw what I have. Mele said “egna keCherqu Teb yelenim. Yefelege angbo mezor yichilal.”
            I got a lousy joke about the flag.
            A person went to markato and asked for a flag and he said
            “Bandira aleh?”
            The shop owner asked back
            ” baleAnbessa woyis baleAmbasha?”

          • Kokhob Selam

            the best joke of the day, Lol. I could have said – bale Anbessa woyis bale neb (bee).

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            I never heard that. It was funny! I was in Addis in late 90s and I asked my relatives what this “weyeyt” taxi mean. When the explanation began, I could not stop laughing. The Addis public can come up with one two word description that is spot on everything.
            .
            K.H

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Kokhob Selam;
            I still have problem accepting your position regardig the importance of flags in a country’s identity. Flags are the symbols of national identity and sovereignty of nations: in our case for example, the flag has a special meaning, considering the huge sacrifices we’ve paid in pursuit of independence and self determination against all odds. It is we, the people, not the PFDJ who are the owners of our flag, though the actions of the PFDJ-dictators indicate as if they are the owners of the hard-earned independence.
            Otherwise I completely agree with you that I’m not in the position to be greatista, way, way back people like Haile TG, Mahmud S., yourself, and many others.)), nor do I’ve the intention or capacity to be that.)) I take Mahmuday’s comment as a message of encouragement from an older brother, as always, thanks Mahmuday. By the way, I also miss Haile TG, I miss his thoughtful and educational input to this discussion forum, hope he comes back soon.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,

            some time we have to agree to disagree . you should not take it as problem and just accept it we have some different view. I want you to know this, because you might be disappointed when you see it accidentally. regarding the flag please read all the comments I gave under Mahmuday and Horizon to get what I mean. otherwise I know the value of flag so you should not worry at all. in fact our ideas are not contradicting. What I am saying is we want our flag to have meaning. that is all.

            regarding your greatness, with all differences we have sometime I always appreciate you. what we agree are more and important than we don’t agree so I keep a bit far opposing your Ideas if you notice. you are wonderful and to the point and also you are unique who don’t want to be one sided except what you believe is true. in fact you don’t stand in the middle to be accepted by others and you say what you want to say. so, you have your place and dignity as Haile and Mahmuday do. by the way I sometime argue purposely to get clear ideas with some of those intelligent once but that doesn’t mean I am opposing them. so lets learn and get more knowledge.thanks to awate.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham, I reply to you and you up voted it. but now it is not here. what has gone wrong, do you think?

        • Kokhob Selam

          That is it. Abraham, they paid for real meaning full purpose trusting we will follow them. It is unfortunate the corrupted among us are not willing to see Eritrea free with agreed system. This flag didn’t get what it deserve and the worst of all is PFDJ is holding it giving illogical reasons.

          I am sorrow watching opportunists and reformists are still talking day and night to repair the their old mistakes in wrong way.

  • selam

    Dear Hayat welcome

    You accuse semere for writing article with too much unnecessary staff.Even though most of semere words describe your leaders exactly as they are and all the facts remain to his borders.
    As per how long the article is , Do not you check your syntex*88 of your keyboard you have used exactly 1151 words on your typical defense of your weyenti and Ethiopian ,

    I repeat you have used 1151 words on the below comment only to tell semere that you despise his work because your sole and minds happens to fall for weyane ,

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Selam,
      1151 is in deed too long for a comment. I will watch that and thank you. Apart from that, did you find any of my points untrue and unfair?
      Hayat

      • selam

        Just count your words please , lets close that first after that i will tell you how far you try to paint our heroes on your terms.But first check how many words you used to try and do what ever it takes to insult and paint our history in general in a favor of weyane.

        • Hayat Adem

          Okay, I’m just doing that: counting. Here we go. You are right: 1156. Too long. Thanks and I will correct that. I type my comments here in the box and i write them as they flow without caring to count. When writing articles you need to be more careful. So, though I hate lengthy writings even more when I do them, that doesn’t make it wrong for me to suggest to Semere to shorten his, does it? In fact, isn’t that a favor? You can also write him, to keep it that long or even go a bit longer. It is a matter of taste.
          Hayat

          • selam

            Good.
            I do think writes has the right to write what ever they want but they should write in reference to historical facts when it comes about history telling. It is perfectly natural for you to say it is extremely long even longer than i expected. But you spoil your argument at the end of your post by saying lions of nakfa and dedebit , i think , i repeat i only think that was from your old playing book.

            Now will you tell me honestly , about you , i just think it is natural to ask , where your heart and sole fall to Eritrea or Ethiopia.

  • selam

    Dear Abinet

    I think and say there were not 500,000 Eritreans in ethiopia at any time. If you have provel lets us know. As per the work they were doing yes you are right almost 90% were doing better than the Ethiopians, mind though they were there because Ethiopian leader make every thing hard for any eritrean to work for his people at the time of 1960 to 1991.

    You need to admit also ethiopians some of ver few took our peoples wealth through meles illegal deportation , that you have to admit and mention.

    • Abinet

      Selam
      It sounds like they were forced to live , work and prosper in an enemy land. Very inhuman!
      Now, why didn’t they leave this hell called ethiopia as soon as they become independent? Why it took them 7 years and a war to be forced to leave?
      According to the former ELF leader’s interview, only 20% of the free people were deported. He was negotiating on their behalf. How weird is that? He was fighting for the continuation of forced existence in ethiopia.

      • selam

        There were above 77000 people who were deported and that should put the total number, if you take 20% to exact 385,000 people. Now do you accept the wealth that they have lost , you and other weyenti try to dismiss that.

        About ELF . come on forget that story ,

      • tes

        Dear Abinet,

        The killer who was in Eritrea got lost and went back home, in fact many prefered to stay in Ethiopia believing that Ethiopians are good people for them. But EPRDF under the leadership of MZ came in and kicked them out.

        On the hand, it is non of your business. Eritrean problem is Eritrean and can only be solved by Eritreans themselves.

        tes

  • Ali

    Tigreans have never been confused about their identity it the Eritrean highlanders who are confused of their identity. please refer the work of the Eritrean professor Tesfatsion Medihaniye

  • Ali

    How shame being an Eritrean and live with the highlanders of Eritrea for one thing they assume they are brilliant and for the other they assume unique. But the reality is they are empty. this time Ethiopians are doing good we have to accept and recognize and learn out of it. You always say TPLF is minority but according to your calculation Esayas is unable to lead a country nearly equal to Tigray and unable to master it. The minority according to your say Tigreans are leading 90 million people with high diversity population both in ethnic and religion etc. So, how are the highlanders comparing themselves with their south partners.

    • Tafla

      Are you a Nzi or just à lousy Ethiopian pretendent to be an Eritrean lowlander?

      • sara

        Dear tafla, i guess the best you could advise (help) “ali” is to direct him read sal’s comments yesterday.
        its like an Rx with no fda approvals

  • Belay

    Dear Aman,
    “Tigray confused?nonesense!
    A clear vision got them here my friend.
    EDU, EPRP, DERG, ELF, EPLF .., which one are you?
    You are confused, or have not the ability to…..

  • Abinet

    AMAN
    When was the last time you were wrong? Never!

    • AMAN

      Hoops ! Sorry
      Ali, Belay, Abinet
      I always forget that you and me were always on a different plane
      or flight altitude of the same country !
      Missed your location again.
      I totally forgot and missed the turnovers………………………!

    • AMAN

      This is the time I was wrong.
      Thankyou !

  • selam

    Two premises or assumptions have governed Ethio-Eritrean relations of the past sixty years. First is the notion carved into the minds of generations of Ethiopians by the Haileselassie regime that Eritrea is, by nature and logic, part of Ethiopia. The well known arguments of a common history, religion and culture is invoked here and Eritrea is defined as Ethiopia’s natural “outlet to the sea”.

    The second premise, which is linked to and complements the first, regards Eritrea as economically weak and unviable, such that its very survival totally depends on Ethiopian resources. This line of thinking further depicts Eritrea as an ethnically, linguistically and regionally divided “Italian creation without the makings of a state”….

    These two Ethiopian assumptions gained international currency in the 1940’s, when leading Powers like the U.S. and Britain adopted them mainly to satisfy their own strategic needs and led the fledgling UN into passing a resolution federating Eritrea to Ethiopia “under the sovereignty of the Ethiopian crown”.

    The people of Eritrea were not consulted in this decision over their fate and, consequently, they spent the next forty years, thirty of these in armed struggle, fighting for independence. When in 1991 the EPLF led a united Eritrean people to their hard-earned freedom from Ethiopian rule, Ethiopia’s fallacious premise that Eritrea forms an “inseparable part and parcel of Ethiopia” was finally defeated.

    The economic argument too had, of course, no basis in Eritrean reality. As an Italian colony and a British occupied territory, Eritrea had a developed industrial and infrastructural base. These were systematically dismantled by successive Ethiopian administrations, such that, in the 1950-1960’s, Eritrea became a big source of skilled manpower mainly to Ethiopia, but also to Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan.

    In 1991, when the TPLF assumed power in Ethiopia, there was every reason to believe that the above mentioned Ethiopian fallacious assumptions would come to a final rest. Indeed, all the pronouncements of the TPLF leadership at the time left no room for doubt or apprehension in Eritrean minds that they were genuine. It appears, however, that there was more to these than met the eye.

    In an interview he gave to the American writer, Paul Henze, in March 31 and April 1, 1990, Meles Zenawi, then head of the TPLF, expressed his feelings about post-independence Eritrea. He told him, first, that he did not expect Eritrean unity to hold, once the Derg was expelled from Eritrea. The main reason he gave for this was that Eritrea was a religiously divided nation and that he expected to see internal conflict once the enemy had gone. Second, he also expressed his unreserved preference to see, not an independent Eritrea, but one linked to Ethiopia in a federal arrangement. In explaining this, he told Paul Henze,

    “We look at this from the viewpoint of the interests of Tigrai, first, and then Ethiopia as a whole. We know that Tigrai needs access to the sea and the only way is through Eritrea …. There are many Tigreans in Eritrea ….. They dont want to be treated as foreigners there … They have the same history. We are worried about Eritrea because we are not sure that differences among different groups can be kept under control”. (Paul B. Henze, Conversations with Meles Zenawi, 26/002/92/3 31 March/ 1 April 1990

    Any one should look back to at least see why some of Ethiopians in this site try every thing to hide facts and say every thing from their 101 course by dergi and now by weyane.

    • tes

      Dear selam,

      The other side of your propaganda provider. A well prepared and referenced piece of PFDJ propaganda.

      By the way, is that what you got from the 600 pages news paper. You are such a lovely little girl. Your experise is now coming to bombard your anti-ethiopian propaganda through a camouflaged anti-HGDEF slogan.

      Remember, even Yihuda kissed Jesus to pass him to the crucifiers and thanks awate.com as a readable forum, you are using it.

      tes

      • selam

        Come on tesfe , what did i do ? did i insult any of your ethiopian friends like x and y ? what is my mistake ?
        You know for a fact that i do hate HGDEF and i do not want this evil man IA to stay in power for one night.
        I have told you this 1000 times .
        I do not hate ethiopian i really do not . I have a great respect for Ethiopians minus weyane and some dergi remnants. Come on you have to read and tell me where i make a mistake unless do not just jump on me.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Selam, I have two questions can you answer to me please.

          01. Do you still believe only TPLF is leading Ethiopia?
          02. If you are for change and you don’t like to see PFDJ in eritrea, which method do you prefer ?
          03. Do you still believe Ethiopians want Eritrea back ?

          • selam

            Dear Kokhob

            1. I do believe Weyane is leading Ethiopia , even though there are some puppets from different ethnic groups. You want prove , check all their military generals , governmental trade companies and so on.
            2. I do want change asap. My best choice are the rise of the common man. Eritrean solution for Eritrean problems , that is my idea , because if IA is gone i do believe we will be left with almost the same PFDJ that is my understanding. We need to simply wipe out HGDEF system.I do not accept any reform , i really do not see any solution by some reform to show to western govts.

            3. Yes but not like take and make Eritrea part of Ethiopia , what they are advocating day and night are to put their puppet in asmara , unless they will be doing a great damage to their own survival if they try to wage war and take Eritrea by force . I do believe if they think like that they will be no more ethiopia and no more weyane.

          • Kokhob Selam

            1. I have difficulty on this one, if what you are saying is true, why Amhara and other ethnic groups villages have developed and are shining not less than Tigray towns and villages? how come the the unknown ethnic groups are coming out and moving freely (unlike before)? thousands of questions, all you have to do is see how much all regions in all fields are advancing.

            02.your idea for change is perfect. I do believe change should be by Eritreans and for Eritreans. but do we have any single party or person who want otherwise? I don’t think so. please clarify if any.

            regarding reform, you and me have the same stand. Tes and most of us have the same stand. there is nothing to reform. If there was, Bitweded Abraha could have done it. I am mentioning the name of this hero as he is the most respected hero among all who try it (I don’t mean I don’t respect others).

            03. Selam, the 3rd case is the most exploited one. Look, say it Sudan,Ethiopia any country for that matter will love to have the golden nation Eritrea. this is just natural, But Ethiopians have learned a lot from their ex governments.. They believe they can develop their nation with out resources of and ports of Eritrea. they have shown us they can do it. they start to think of their Nile river and you have see what they have done. so if Eritrea will go back to Ethiopia, that will not be done by Ethiopians but by Eritreans only. if we will be under PFDJ for more time on this condition, Eritrean people my lose their hope of free nation called Eritrea (that will not happen). I have doubt, PFDJ is trying to let Eritrea be failed state and surrender.

            I don’t agree with you on Ethiopians are working “to put their puppet in asmara” yet I don’t want to be lazy on putting in to consideration you and others are saying. But that can’t happen if you and me have self confidence, trust, and planned work. When you have a clear plan and practiced on the ground their will never be chance of Puppet government. in fact we can have two sister countries. what do you say?

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          If you are not a PFDJ, no need to tell me 1000 times. I can read your lines easily. Did I say Nitricc is a PFDJ except a confused chauvinist? Did I say Hope is a PFDJ except a …..? The more you try to tell me who you are the more you are failing to hide your true identity.

          With respect
          tes

      • selam

        I have zero respect for the last names you mentioned , what did they do any way ? turning the world in to a mess.

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          I respect your disrespcting others but I think you just wasting your time and energy. If you don’t respect them, why you are giving such due attention? Why you collecting much information about the one that you don’t respect and get a reward only hate that destroys yourself?

          You could simply say, ok, thank you for respecting us as an independent people. In Frence, there are three words as a common wisdom one is almost obliged to learn:

          -1- S’il vous plaît (please)

          -2- Merci (thank you), et

          -3- Pardon (Sorry or Excuse me, Excusez-moi).

          And three values

          -1- Egalité (Equality)
          -2- Fraternité (brotherhood)
          -3- Liberté (Freedom)

          Almost everyday, all news media work hard to remind the French people about theese wisdom words and values.

          And Eritrea?

          aha, “our bloody enemy Ethiopia” is that what PFDJ is teaching us to keep as our wisdom and values? And here you are working to promote this single anti-human value?

          I believe you can be evolved though it will take time.

          In Eritrea, we also have wisdom words and strong values. But because of PFDJ anti-peace words and marxist values, we are almost forgetting them. Yahn it is now almost 25 years without listening wisdom words and the true nature of our values.

          tes

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          I respect your disrespcting others but I think you just wasting your time and energy. If you don’t respect them, why you are giving such due attention? Why you collecting much information about the one that you don’t respect and get a reward only hate that destroys yourself?

          You could simply say, ok, thank you for respecting us as an independent people. In Frence, there are three words as a common wisdom one is almost obliged to learn:

          -1- S’il vous plaît (please)

          -2- Merci (thank you), et

          -3- Pardon (Sorry or Excuse me, Excusez-moi).

          And three values

          -1- Egalité (Equality)
          -2- Fraternité (brotherhood)
          -3- Liberté (Freedom)

          Almost everyday, all news media work hard to remind the French people about theese wisdom words and values.

          And Eritrea?

          aha, “our bloody enemy Ethiopia” is that what PFDJ is teaching us to keep as our wisdom and values? And here you are working to promote this single anti-human value?

          I believe you can be evolved though it will take time.

          In Eritrea, we also have wisdom words and strong values. But because of PFDJ anti-peace words and marxist values, we are almost forgetting them. Yahn it is now almost 25 years without listening wisdom words and the true nature of our values.

          tes

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe
            you misunderstood me , i was refering to jesus and the other guy , sorry i did not put their name.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Yah I misunderstood if that was your intention. It was good that I failed to understand you. Alas, I forgot, I am dealing with an Athiest, who is against good. I know you selam habtey you don’t possess good words. But, but, as Eritreans do, the moslems and christians, they always talk the good things even if the anti-their belief is around. Philosophically, I had a different course of life but not from a true belief of me. Philosophizing sometimes can change someone crazy.

            On your side, oh my God, can’t we have people that talks on the true values of our people? PFDJ was a materialistic junta and so are you too. but why you are pretending to be against when you are against the basic human identity?

            tes

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe ,
            I respect any believer and i will die for him to keep his believe but you can not force me to follow his way, You see the difference. For me every thing about god is a fiction .

            As for the Eritrean people they have a great value and i do love their way of respecting each other like no other place.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            I respectfully disagree with you. I respect your belief but I see no morality within you.

            Just re-read what you wrote. Here it is:

            “I have zero respect for the last names you mentioned , what did they do any way ? turning the world in to a mess.”

            How can then you die for a believer? You have zero respect for the thing they believe and how can you respect them? Dear selam, I can’t expect to respect me when you disrespect my mother. In fact, I could have respected you by disrepecting me by respecting for what I respect most.

            Dear selam, I am not arguing with your belief system. Even I could not have touched that part as I do respect individuals rights to believe on anything s/he beliefs. But, when someone saying I am this and approach others the way s/he wants to be, things become different.

            But first of all make sure that I am not using your belief against you, if I do so I am equally disrespecting for what you respect most. Neverthless, when you jump and say things that undermines others respect, I say, I am sorry but you are doing a mistake.

            I wish you took my misunderstanding as it was as I didn’t say anything against you. But you came in and showed me what you mean. I still do respect yours but what I don’t respect is your manifestation of disrespect on something that almost 100% Eritreans give due respect, even the moslems respect the mentioned above and pray against the evil acats of the other yet they are followers of Islam. Therefore, you are having zero respect for something which is respected 100% by the very people that you are pretending to fight for. Paradox!

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam, reply this positively. you and me have done it before. do you remember? I am sure you will ,now too.

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe
            I selam … again ask you not to refer me to some religious figures as i tend to disappoint many people in this great site by my reply to you. On that i beg you to stop

            as for now here is my take.

            I said such thing due to your continued post of jesus and that. Some times you insult me just due to my believe . And you continue to say things similar to the right wing of the tea party . Look Tesfe , i have never mentioned your mam or what so ever but you did mention my mam. Now there is a great difference when you object to jesus ideas and when you object to people some believe in him.

            why will i respect for jesus and mahamed . They are in the past and their work has to be a public so that is open to criticism and all the way up. This is a free world and i do believe we have the right to see things in different way for ourselves.

            But please lets stop about any religious believe as i am not comfortable to say things in this website. If you want you can click on my sites that can challenge you.

          • Kim Hanna

            Dear Selam,
            .
            I am considering becoming an Abyssinian Fundamentalist Christian. I will tell you about that some other time.
            .
            What is this between you and Tes. A while back you were fighting tooth and nail, now it looks like you and him are dating here. Do you know you are at Awate University and not a neighborhood bar. I know perhaps I am violating some rule but no one can write all the rules for common sense. Occasionally I had to peek at what the topic is you guys are talking about from the new posts and there you are at again. I would have recommended another place but the rule #? says don’t, so it is up to you….my young friends.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear K.H

            You should have said Dear Tes and Selam to take you a nice person (logic)
            But since you wrote to me , i will take it as if you are on the same bed with him (ideas).
            Now , what do you expect me to do , he is after me and if i want to avoid him i have to go to another site in which you are recommending , well , tell me why will i do that ?

            One ,it could be to have space on bashing Eritrean history and its people , for that i will never do that.

          • Kim Hanna

            Dear selam and tes,
            .
            I don’t know any rule you broke, besides who am I to tell you about it. I am an Ethiopian at an Eritrean website. It is getting funnier by the minute.
            When you guys were stepping into religious dogma exchanges, I thought I should step in to cool it down a little. There was nothing to be learned from it.
            But for what it was worth, it was a very friendly advice. It was not serious.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            I take your advice with a great respect Kim, that was not my intention and i am very sorry for any thing related to religion if you feel any , if possible i would have chosen to accept any blame if you feel any wrong doing by me.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            Much respect I have for you, tell me a single rule that I broke? As far as I know, there is no limitation on the number one should post maximum under one article.

            Concerning the language, I am respecting the recent warning. If you want the other version, feel free to ask. It is very simple, Newton’s law.

            tes

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Mr. tes;
        Remmember no one is in a position to give or take the licence of opposition against the PFDJ, at least not those opposition elements dreamig to bring change to Eritrea through the agenda of Addis or Mekele. From my own observations, I’ve not seen Selam to argue or speak in support of the PFDJ-regime; in fact I notice that she wishes the PFDJ-dictatorship removed at least as much as you do. I’ve seen Selam defending the nation of Eritrea in all of her writtings, and she has my respect in that regard. However there is something that puzzles me always in this forum- Eritreans like Tesfabirhan rushing every second to defend Ethiopia whenever someone criticises Ethiopia or the Ethiopian regime.

        • selam

          You know we have very little difference actually none to speak about the situation in Eritrea but we are way way far away when it comes to weyane and dergi.He is asking or pushing me not to write any true history of the ethiopian governments now and old.He want to have Hayat, abinet , T’kifle and others to write every bad thing on their book about Eritrea and Eritreans just it happens to be , he mmet them in the middle.

          My objection for such people is , why will i do that ? why will i misrepresent my people and the passed heroes ? I am not for sale and i will never ever stay silent while our history is twisted by some opportunistic and evil people.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            First of all, you even do not know the true history of Eritrea. You can be a specialist about Ethiopian history, or Eri-Ethio history, who knows, I mean the PFDJ version of history books that are lectured in Nakfa.

            dear selam, history is wisdom. If you know history, Eri-Ethio history is all about war and killings. The more we tell this, the more we will get apart.

            I am not having any problem with you also if you are bringing history as a proof of your argument but here you are posting to create hate and further division for the already divided people. Even DIA invited the anti-Eritrean sovereignity Abyssian fundemantalism propagada outlet, ESAT, in trying to change the perception of the Ethiopian people towards Eritrea. DIA did this after he worked hard by himself for the last 15 years in developing that perception and now he is trying to call dead soul anti-Eritreans inside Eritrea and sell his cheap and failed peace politics.

            Therefore, peace has no other alternative. I am in the opposition camp for less than 2 years and it is here at awate.com forum, and if I write some peaces which promotes peace now, I feel a personal satisfaction.

            To tell you, I don’t simply oppose PFDJ. I tell the problems where they are and in the policy wise, I pick up the most dangerous anti Eritrean values. The same is what I do regarding peace.

            Our approach will be strong if don’t propagade hate but our true identity. You know what I mean.

            tes

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe
            As always i do not want to reply to you about the attack you are sending But , really BUT,
            With all do respect given to you under the umbrella of just being Eritrean, I beg you to at least have some logic understanding to wards my post.And that is stop being negative all in all out.

            I believe the history of the Eritrean people does not belong only to ELF, EPLFand the actors HGDEF. They are the actors who are making bad bad badb history and damage Now .We can see them through different prism , (the seven colors you have learned about light). I and so many see them as evil and some cronies see them as angels , that is the true nature of politics.

            ,What i completely do not agree with you and some people around is that , you are asking people to stop telling bad things about ethiopia while they(opperationsunset , T.Kifle and so many of them ) to dismantle the basic events and heroism of our people.Lets see HGDEF different from the past events and suffering of Eritrean people by WEYNAE, DERGI and HAilesilasie (chenewuti). At least you have to allow us tell the past as it was.

            At this generation they should not be allowed to paint things on our wall when ever they like what ever they like. This is new Era and we have the ability to tell and defend our history.

            I have never ever ask any Eritrean to hate Ethiopians , do i neither twist past history to make nice for the Eritrean people. What i said on the above post was just truth and documented histories. I will never ever say bad things about the Ethiopian people in general. But please allow me to state things as they happened in the past.You can not coat weyane or dergi or haile silaiss like any other than enemies of the Eritrean people.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            I am not saying that your post about Eritrean history is wrong or not. I have nevere also said that you stop posting. Please do that. But at the same time, know that there is criticism to your post. I am always criticising your post as I see them they are only serving to create hate among the people. When you are wrong, I will say it you are wrong as I did before.

            Know at the same time also propaganda is not about telling untrue. Propaganda is selecting truth that serve your purpose and sometimes it is followed by exageration, you magnify it to make your purpose camouflaged, this is what you always do regarding Ethiopia.

            Definition of propaganda:

            1. capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary
            territories and related institutions

            2. the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

            3. ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

            I could have much appreciated you if you use historical facts to enforce your argument. Instead you are coming from your propaganda machine and propagade ate the top floating to make your allegation against the intended target public. PFDJ are good in this and so are you.

            Therefore, I call you to drop your proganda machine or at least accept my criticism when ever I feel it is right to do so. You have a right to say and I have only a right to say. Rights to say does not mean free to ride.

            tes

        • tes

          Dear Abraham Hanibal,

          I don’t know why you always come to defend people. If she is right prove that she is right. I wrote my opinion, that is it. Kindly, if you have any idea to put under selam do that please.

          As for Ethiopia, I don’t see any relevance to go back to 1940s and critize. I have much more of recent and I said my stance repeatedly. Ethiopia is occupying our land and they should leave without any pre-condition. Even I supported and acknowldged Eritrean decision for a non-negotiable approach. Even in the future, the border issue is a non-negotiable and it is a DEAD ISSUE. If these two people want to live in peace, well, let them demarcate they land if not, the tension willl be there. This is my rule of an END-CASE scenarion.

          As defending Ethiopians, I think PFDJ is good in that and so does selam. They pour a crocodile tears about Ethiopian problems and arm tens of thousands of rebel groups and yet they allow them to live in Eritrea.

          Dear Abraham, you will continue to label people and same to me and I do understand why you do so. The school of chauvinists are good in that as they want to be more nationalistic by creating enemity. You are good in that Abraham hawey, bzeykelealem. You and me are on the opposite poles in handling our foreign policies. We talked before about this. If my approach is wrong, challenge me. I do see Ethiopia as a country and I do care less who is leading Ethiopia as I believe that they can do their own homework by themselves.

          And me, I am saying, Eritrean problems by Eritrean themselves and this means Ethiopia to leave us alone as we can do our homework by ourselves. More than that, I will not aggravate the ENEMITY approach of some haters. I call Eritreans for peace and stability, both inside and outside. This is my very simple but logical approach to any country, be it Ethiopia, Dgibouti, Sudan, yemen etc.

          tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Mr. Tes;
            When I see someone criticizing somebody else unfairly, then I try my best to defend the accused. And that is what I did here: I read Selam’s comment which is based on historical facts, and I’ve nothing to add to it. I saw it was misplaced when you replied to her comment as a PFDJ anti-Ethiopia propaganda. This has nothing to do with the border issue, it is just about accepting historical facts as they are.

          • tes

            Dear Abraham,

            We did such kind of conversation so many times. I would like like to say, it is the difference between you and me on how we see things. Can’t you also allow me to say what I want to say?

            I am not objecting you for commenting but the labeling you are using to enforce your view. You repeatedly accused me about the license bla bla. You repeatedly labeled me as I am in favour of Ethiopia. Am I all all what you are trying to forecast me?

            Ok, as for the license, I will respond plainly: if you become weak, I will give and take the license, that is what DIA/EPLF did and now DIA/PFDJ is doing. Is that what you want as a response? I repeat, if Eritreans are weak and only go after false allegations, it is only a good means to surrender. But I believe you are not and Eritreans are not and Eritrea will never accomodate such licensing. ‘Nay wudubat hashewiye ayedliyenan yu” is a license of EPLF remember during the early years of independence.

            On the labeling, I will not spend a word to prove who I am. Judge me as my writings are infront of you. And everything you say, it is only according to you as far as I didn’t say it. I am not a kind of person who repeats 1000 times to tell my identity and my stance.

            Dear Abraham, just take it simply as the way we see things. Challenge, discard or disproof me without going to personality and labeling. Eritrea has enough experience about this and so I am experiencing by people whom I don’t agree with their perspective.

            As for ideas, I will continue to challenge and my dream is to see an idea that not challenged by ordinary lay-man like me. I am a very simple ordinary person with no know-how to challenge ideas. Just my dream is to see a prosperious and peaceful Eritrea which welcomes its people always, always.

            tes

          • Michael

            Abraham – I think the Eritrean pretending Ethiopians on this forum like Mizan and Tes are using the one only tool they have to criticize any one or idea that does not support the Abay tigray or Ethiopia vision by belittling people calling them names such as HGDEF supports or propagandists – they fail to understand that the majority of Eritreans will always stand and support “Eritrea” no matter what – in Eritrea we do not equate Eritrea with HGDEF we see them as equal too or worse than the dubious TPLF…
            Mike

          • tes

            Dear Michael,

            No matter how how you hate HGDEF/PFDJ, your labeling is twisted (to paraphrase your statement wrote to Mizan). When you fail to challenge the easiest way is to attack identity. The good thing is it is a product of failures and so are you.

            tes

    • Yoty Topy

      Selamye,

      Do you have a link for your source? I find it hard to believe that Meles said that.

      • selam

        Dear Yoty Topy
        reference The Washington Post page 16 on thrid paragraph Paul B. Henze, Conversations with Meles Zenawi, J3 26/002/92/3 31 March/ 1 April 1990

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi Selam,

          “Second, he also expressed his unreserved preference to see, not an independent Eritrea, but one linked to Ethiopia in a federal arrangement. In explaining this, he told Paul Henze,”

          That statement stood like sore thumb to me and in reading through the interview TKifle provide me, Meles was very clear on how he wanted to see the ethio-eritrea divorce proceed,

          PBH: Would you expect the EPLF to participate in a provisional government in Addis Abeba?

          MZ: We don’t know. We think they could play a constructive role. We would really like to see Eritrea retain a relationship to Ethiopia, but we don’t know if Isaias can work out the situation to make this possible. Our own position is very delicate. We have to have good relations with Eritreans, so we recognize their right to self-determination, going as far as independence if they want it. We endorse their proposal for a referendum because we don’t think there is any other solution for the situation that has developed. But we really hope that Eritrea can remain part of a federated Ethiopia. I agree with what you have written about the advantages for the Eritreans themselves..

      • T. Kifle

        Yoty Topy, here is the link to the interview and do the checking on your own. It’s a very long interview conducted at the end of 1989.

        PBH: What are your differences?

        MZ: The EPLF has a much more difficult situation than we do. Many of our differences result from that, and we have an understanding and sympathy for their position. In Tigray we have a united people. No more than 10% of our people are Muslims and our Muslims are Tigreans first and Muslims only second. That is not true in Eritrea. The population is much more divided. The Eritrean Muslims themselves are divided. There are at least three groups among them. They don’t see things the same way the Christians do. The EPLF has some of them with it and its policies have been sensible — it is trying to make the Muslims part of a united movement. But that is not possible and the closer the EPLF comes to taking power in Eritrea the more dangerous this issue becomes. There are serious tensions between Eritrean Christians and Muslims in Sudan. This will become apparent in Eritrea when the Derg’s control is gone. We do not have this problem among Tigrean refugees. They all stick together – the Christians do not resent the Muslims and the Muslims do not feel oppressed by the Christians.

        http://addisvoice.com/2011/06/paul-henzes-coversations-with-meles-zenawi/

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi T.Kifle,,

          Thank you for the link.

        • tes

          Dear T.Kifle,

          Was he also (MZ) that much low to see only Ethiopian case as that of Tigrean case only even upto 1989. Did he gave an analysis by the way about the general situation of bigger Ethiopian people (Christian Vs Moslems) after the fall of Derge? Just curious to know.

          tes

        • Nitricc

          Hahahaha come-on T-K why don’t you tell us what happened in Axsum; when the Muslims tried to built a Mosque? Can you tell us what happened to the loads of trucks of materials that were disappeared overnight? I do agree you don’t have a problem in Tigray; not because you are democratic but because the Muslims have accepted it your absolute dominances and learned to live with it. Tigryans can’t stand Muslims.

          • selam

            Dear Nitricc
            All weyenti will never dare to tell the trurth.The very disappointing point is the ESHI GOYTAYE are trying to stay away from facts.

    • Mizan

      Everything you said is either inaccurate or taken out of context. PMMZ’s assertion was based on a goodwill for both peoples to live in harmony. The rest of your history lecture is baloney as can be shown in Professor Tekeste Negash’s book titled “Eritrea and Ethiopia: The Federal Experience.”

      Below is a short review of the book on amazon.com where you can find and buy the book.

      “The Ethiopian-Eritrean federation, a product of a United Nations resolution, came into existence in 1952 and was abolished ten years later. The primary objective of this book is to examine the rise and the fall of the federation in the nght of present-day realities. This central theme is placed in context by a reconstruction of Eritrean political organizations during the crucial postwar years. The work includes a short account of the war between Eritrean nationalist forces and the Ethiopian government, which led up to the emergence of Eritrea as a sovereign state. Based primarily on archival sources at the Public Record Office in London, Eritrea and Ethiopia argues that no other group in the region has repeatedly succeeded in shaping its political destiny as the Tigreans of Eritrea have.

      Negash maintains that the federation was abolished by Eritrean social and political forces rather than by Ethiopia. The UN-imposed federation, together with its accompanying constitution, were doomed to fail, as these were foreign to Eritrean and Ethiopian conceptions of political power. The attempts of the Eritrean Moslem League to defend and maintain the federation were frustrated by internal contradictions, by the Unionist party, and by misconstrued perceptions of the division of powers between Eritrea and Ethiopia.

      The author looks closely at the impact of the British period on Eritrean society. Such an examination provides a better understanding of the background to the conflict and it is an important part of Eritrean political and social history. This book is the story of the slow but steady dissolution of the federation as seen and observed by the British diplomatic corps. Between 1952 and 1962, there were about thirty British nationals assigned to the Eritrean government. These expatriates kept in touch with the British consulate-general whose responsibility was to protect the interests of British nationals as well as to report developments to London. The conclusions and interpretations found in this book are, to a great extent, based on that documentation. Eritrea and Ethiopia is the first study of its kind to follow the rise and fall of the federation. It will be a challenging and insightful read for students of African affairs, diplomatic historians, policy studies scholars, and political theorists.”

      • selam

        Dear Mizan
        You disappointed me to some level i have expected but in a different way than before. Please i refer to you why i and many Eritreans do not accept this man interpretation of any thing about Eritrea.

        Armed Struggle and a Better Future:
        Dubious Connections
        Tekeste Negash
        (Pages 4-5)
        Eritrea: A Dream Deferred
        by Gaim Kibreab
        James Currey in association with the Nordic Africa Institute
        2009, 448 pp., ISBN 978 1 84701 008-7 , I have read this book and another books by this man , I have also the chance to listen to him when he was America invited by my university from Uppsala University.

        He is number one enemy of the Eritrean people by any measure .Now do i care about this idiot Ethiopian who tried every thing and peeled every corner of the Eritrean people wounds , no no no zillion NO.

        I first thought you are Eritrean in sole and mind, now i find out to the opposit , as i find you tend to believe the Ethiopian mind set about Eritrea and its people.

        Am i obliged to read and believe for some British consulate who were in bed with evil Hailesilasie. Now you want me to believe on their drinks and chocolates of the evil job they have done . First please ask them a compensation for the damage they have created to the Eritrean economy by selling too many to kenya.

        Now You want to protect PM.Chenawi , do it on your name and write a book about him and sell to weyane , i am sure they will pay you too much. I am sure i have enough reference that Eritreans never accepted the federation on open heart neither by all of them.

        • Mizan

          Bitweded Asfaha Woldemichael Chief Executive of Eritrea from 1955 – 1962 explains that “To begin with, Ethiopians and Eritreans never asked for nor expected a federation, let alone understand it. Largely for extraneous global political reasons that outside powers and the United Nations decided on Ethiopia-Eritrea federation as a compromise among various options. Under the circumstances, the Eritrean and the Ethiopian people accepted it reluctantly. Having accepted and tried the federal arrangement, the Eritrean people found it wanting and not viable. Consequently, the Eritrean people finally rejected it constitutionally and of their own volition. They then restored the age-old Ethio-Eritrean union, which the overwhelming majority of the Eritrean people had been fighting for all along. Any final responsibility for the transformation of the federation to union rests with us Eritreans and if you wish, with me personally, for shepherding the process to its ineluctable climax.
          A latter turn coat, Dr Amare Tekle, Chairman of the Eritrean Referendum Commission (1993), in his doctoral dissertation (University of Denver 1964), also agrees with Bitweded Asfaha. He first explains his position that Eritrea is part of Ethiopia by saying “Was Eritrea part of Ethiopia? Those who argued that Eritrea was never part of Ethiopia are either ignorant of the history of the region or simply want to revise it or, even worse, were simply invoking a milder version of Signor Mussolini’s Fascist thesis about the nature of the Ethiopian state” and regarding the union with Ethiopia he further adds that “Ethiopia should not be criticized for actions related to the dissolution of the federation”

          • selam

            Dear Mizan.

            Here is what i want you to understand ,
            I am against this current government HGDEF but i will never ever give any slice to make some of Ethiopian helping hand happy , i will never do that. On the same principle i am not asking the Eritrean people to hate the Ethiopian people , what i am saying is for people like you to at least give the Eritrean peoples history and suffering a fair hand of support in telling to the world and to some foolish Ethiopians.
            “””””

            Now do i say all Eritreans who reject the union with Ethiopia are ignorant NO NO NO i did not say that. Do i in any case find this word offensive and un eritrean , refering to the past 60 years of struggle , i tend to differ with the doctor and i by no means take any doctors explanations to be more than the whole Eritreans voice.
            About the union.
            I do support any union with any one around us but that must be done , i repeat must be done by a respectful knowledge of the Eritrean people in general not by some power licking peoples choice.
            Now back to basics that we were arguing about , why will you refer to me this Tekeste , Negash (chenawi) if you know his past work , or you find his work begging you to read ?
            Look i may not be some one who grow up in Eritrea , you can fool me by so many things but not by some thing i know and committed to hold my peoples history straight to the end.That was my post and it is based on historical facts .

            i hope we agree on principle.

          • Mizan

            Dear Selam,

            Look, first thing the Eritrean independence is absolutely and completely irreversible. You probably believe that YG is a unionist but I can prove to you that he is not. Now he is extreme by any Eritrean’s measure so even he believes totally that independence is irreversible. Sorry for digression.

            My point is that let’s have a correct reference frame from where to start. Distorting history to make Eritrea a naturally born nation to me is wrong. Again, don’t worry about our independence. It is irreversible because the Eritrean people would overwhelmingly vote again and again to not be with Ethiopia at least at the present time. Having an accurate and honest reference point is very important for us to find solutions for our problems. Demonizing the Ethiopians, Woyane, TPLF, etc. will not help us in any way. I am guilty of demonizing PFDJ myself too but I strongly believe that they are directly, totally,completely responsible for where we are. TPLF are foreigners as you would call them so why should they follow any moral principles on behalf of Eritreans? But PFDJ put our people at risk because they exposed us to TPLF if you think TPLF is our number one enemy. Is that fair or not?

            So I think having a correct reference of history is important because if we mislead our people into believing that the whole world is against us from way back in the day (say 1890), then we will be stuck and call victim hood on us forever. We need to own up our history good or bad and try to navigate the ship in the right direction. Pointing figures at TPLF, USA, UN, IGAD, EU (who did I forget) will be a deterrence. It is somewhat analogous to the African American history. Yes of course a lot of wrong was done against them. But then people have to own up to their weaknesses and wrong choices too. As Eritreans we brought up our current predicament onto ourselves. You might not be convinced that IA started the last war but he and his government could have taken many measures right after independence that nothing like that would arise. “You can’t trust agame, they did that to us because we trusted them” is not a good answer.

            For your information, I have never met any single Eritrean in person or in cyberspace who doesn’t love his people and his country, including you. But IA and his enablers are doubtful at best to me.

          • selam

            Dear Mizan

            You are almost changing and i love it ,I would take all your points , i really do believe that this post is from my left side of my brain and i accept. But i beg you to either challenge the false understanding of Ethiopians about our history or let me follow their way and dig them out and show them the true history and suffering of our people by their chenewuti weyenti , dergi and the old man. Because if we develop to give a pass ethiopians stamp out history and say HOYE HOYE with these people, It will cost a great political capital to challenge HGDEF.

            Now ask me why i posted the above post about the 1940-1998. I was responding to people like Yoty Topy,Abinet,Fatima (i can smell some like XY) all these Ethiopians who are twisting history and laugh at us at this extremely difficult time for us. They think this is their time to run every where blaming bashing and twisting and creat some EHI GOYTAYE on their way to bonanza. .

            I have never ever intended to play blame game and so creat case for HGDEF to sustain their power no . Just read any post i have posted i will never play blame game.

            We Eritreans did not bring this misery , Mixan we are extremely honest and humble people , we accepted HGDEF by whole sale merchandise after the war, thinking all the containers will have a nice packed trees and we will have a good harvesting time. That was the Eritreans people understanding. I mean the common men thinking.

            I have said and will say this again I am not sure where IA come from and i never intend to debate his roots , as it is not important for me. What i do and continue to do is to fight to save Eritrea from one man show and turn Eritrea to well institutionalized under law of the land. I am more focused to institutional criticism of HGDEF as they continue to give deaf ear to the Eritrean wishes and aspiration.

          • Rahwa T

            What a stinking lady! Instead of conveying her message, she has repeated the word “chenawi, chenewti” many times. I suspect she has serious problem of smells. May be she might have experienced some problem on her upbringing. She has every right to take whatever references she like. But somebody has to remind her on the way she has to behave when she communicate in public.

          • sara

            Dear rahwa, isn’t stinking same to that word c….wi , or what you don’t like is because she said it twice. i.e saying once only c……wi and stinking is OK.
            congratulation to both of you on the int, women’s day. keep us elegant on this occasion.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Sara,

            You are right both terms have the same meaning. I don’t know if you believe or heard about “buda” or “Tebib”. In Ethiopia, for a “buda” to get out of its victim’s “body” or mind, it has to get some sort of odd staff to feed and finally release the sick person. The odd items could be defecates from chicken, donkey, ash, and others. The Buda will asked “misih mindn new?” and it will tell its preferences. That is so weird but that is how victims of “buda” get relieved
            from their sickness. I was not sure if Selam could understand polite statements. So I had to use the “buda” way of treating patients.

            It is like the Amharic proverb “QomaTan QomaTa kalaut gebto yfeteftal”. I rarely visit Tesfa News when I get links from Facebook. I thought I was at Tesfa-N when I read Selam’s comments. Sorry, but that was the trick that came to my mind. In fact that this word is one of the characteristics that expose Selam and group her to her PFDJ keens.

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa

            Say what ever you want about me , like your friend tesfe. PFDG , or any thing if you have.But for the matter of the fact i am not going for go walk with any one who blame and shame eritrean history. on what ever they (ESHI GOYTAY) offer to me i will reject the notion (weyane hate HGDEF so do we , so lets go for HOYE HOYE bonanza with weyane. I gave BIG FAT NO long time ago.

            Now it will be very nice if you can explain in plain english only for me , what the hell is “buda” or “Tebib”defecates from chicken, donkey, ash and QomaTan QomaTa kalaut gebto yfeteftal”

            It will be nice for you if you spare me time on these words.

          • selam

            I repeat and say weyane leaders , dergi and the old man , were evil and ugly by their actions towards Eritreans by that reference they are chenewuti , resehat , telamat.
            what about that. How do you feel if i change the chenewuti by killers , genocidal ,murderers on and on.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Selam,
            You think you are the only one who knows these words? And do you think you are the only who can say them and get away with that? Imagine how we all will be littering this website if were to use those words care-free spree. Think if reader will be attracted to such ghetto language? And think if you think readers will have better impression about you. Please refrain, zero value offensive comments.

          • selam

            Dear Hayat

            Yes these words are only to be used by any Eritrean towards your chenewuti leader , take that and zip.And if you can challenge on the historical facts , lets see if you have any prove.

            Game on for your wicked way of dispersing the Eritrean history and the Eritrean people.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            Lately, you are becoming wild and uncontrolled. Save it to yourself, we are not that siddi, ernubat hzbi inna. You told me your Tigrigna is 2 out of 10. And even that is full of foul words? We were complaining against the use of shillu against you the the other day. I still don’t condone any use of abusive adjective against you but I’m being surprised by how you are behaving lately. Are you holding yourself together? Please don’t force me to be thankful to Nitricc.
            Hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Hayat:
            The problem is PFDjites think that they are the only ones who have best interest of Eritrea, their ideas are the only that will work, they associate opposting views as dangerous while we know that views that are same, in with the same heart beat are dangerous and even lead to division that ideas and views that are opposite, the great nations of today are built on clashing ideas and all the failed nations like Eritrea, Somalia, Libya and Iraq and the nations that are infested by dictators based on one view and voice as if it the word of God. When Job argued with God he did not disappear him , he did not insult him, he told him bluntly where were you when I built the heaves. I will live with it when Mahmuday tells me abbey “nerka”, he never said that, I am just saying. You know where I am going with it.
            And the insults are the signature of PFDJ that is unfortunately being slowly becoming mainstream in the otherwise “ernub” culture.
            The Niriccs and dawits think that they are the sole lovers of Eritreans and as much as you and I criticize Ghedli for not establishing the rudimentaries of democracy, that was not the worst thing it did, we can create thent, we can introduce that, the worst thing it did was incubate and nurture the “Nitriccs” because their are the least threat to the dictator’s power, they are impeccable at executing instruction like a computer, nay a computer will prompt you if you input invalid data. But our human version of computers will not, it will take in garbage and spit out garbage.
            So please do not even think about it, do not think or let the idea of being thankful to Nitricc in his current state of thought cross your mind as the last time I checked you care about your mind;)
            Mahmud was critical of me by saying that how is Nitricc is expected to be nice to me while I, Sem A called him all these names, I let that go because over all that comment of MS was very good, but the truth is I never insulted anyone, but Nitricc almost anyone especially his targets like his PFDJ are the women, not that they cannot defend themselves but his thinks so. So Nitrcc to be eligible for thankfulness have to show some remorse in his comments and talk, transform from the dumb to the thoughtful, he can keep his self crowned fearless nature.
            So Selam even with several comments about how she hates PFDJ she thinks everyone independent thinker about our history is anti- Eritrea

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Semere A.,
            I hear you loud and clear. That is one unaccounted damage we’ve sustained as a society. PFDJ has decultured and lumpenized the generation. These foot soldiers didn’t even know that such terms speak more about the speakers than the target, and it offends the reader. It is totally classless. You usually do that when you are very weak or sick and you can’t present you story in a decent way. And the fact that the element of shame and self-control is not there tells a bigger picture. if these guys have a loaded gun, they would use them against anyone whom they found themselves weak to debate. Nitricc is Nitricc doing Nitricc all the time. I was mentioning him to make a satiric point, that she might be outnitriccing him.

          • Semere Andom

            “Outnitriccing” is the new word. I love it;-)

          • selam

            The foot soldiers where hacking your dergi friends down to their neeth . Now you want to speak on back door using your back biting skills ,these days are over . People like you are not an asset to our struggle but they are a liability so better move fast to catch up or take off your shoes and sit . You have no tangible choices beyond these two. I offer you these two choices i out of sympathy may be you can be disillusioned Eritrean .

          • selam

            Dear Semere
            You can directly tell me the things that are itching you under your skin. Unless you have no the authority to give ticket to the opposition camp either to tell who they aspire . Now do i look like nitricc no i do not ,i happens to be a girl determined to tell to your face what i feel what i believe so that you will not use a cowardice logic against me that should be enough for today.

          • selam

            I have never ever said hayat is sidi or any one for that matter. You are wise , intelligent woman or man from Tigrai , i never doubt your intelligence. And i will never ever try to insult you.
            Now you want the word chenewuti leaders to be banned as a derogatory word, for that i will wait from awate.com . If they find the word is not accepted , i will change the word to , KILLERS < GENOCIDALS and Murderers only to the following WEYANE , DERGI and HAILESILASIE.

            I hope you accept ,

            by the way you never told me if you are Eritrean or Ethiopian on your sole and mind.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,

            You are polluting my soul. I don’t think I deserve you. This has nothing to do with your opinion. It is about manners. Sorry, You fell out of grace for me. I never felt disgusted by manners this much. until you improve your manners, I’ll be skipping you. I will check your posts in a month time.

          • selam

            I am not going to urge you to take second chance, because i am not going to care for your interest either , what i do is nail down your twisted explanations . About manners i do not need any lesson from some one capital Z. Wish you lack in your colorless world with weyane.
            If I were a doctor for your sickness the only option for you is death , so no appointment patient

          • Kokhob Selam

            HAYATA,

            what makes me wonder is, no matter man or women is told the truth , if the mind is programmed it is difficult to change himself. we need big scientists to cure some of PFDJ supporters. now, at the end of PFDJ era they are accepting change is must but still use the same method of PFDJ.

            in 2010 me and my friends list 10 most die hard PFDJ supporters in one of Arab cities. we try to find out what makes them so cruel to their people among all 10 only one was found to be innocent with clean back ground. all 9 were committing crime from the beginning during EPLF days. the reason behind was also the reaction of there elders mistake in history.

            Hayata change in Eritrea is just something no one can stop. no reform, no monkey business on this. what the mass careful about is, not to see similar mistake of others who remove theIr dictators ut are in mess. those reforms are who don’t want to accept their past mistakes and they will slowly join us.

            Hey, I am sure you know change means change including the character in dealing. the Ethics and discipline. change means replacing love and destroying hate. change means replacing laziness by creativity – change means replacing happiness and destroying sadness and all this will be difficult swallowing to those who live in hate and revenge.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Killers, genocidal and murderers is the correct historical and political term that no Eritrean can deny. But saying the other is just unethical, unhistorical and unpolitical. It is used only for propaganda purposes that can fool the foolish and ignorant people.

            Therefore, use correct political term or historical term and people can take you seriously. If not, you are only a propaganda machine. You know what Ghadafi said to his own people, “the rats”. You know what MZ said, “the eye colour – the racism”.

            You have much more strong historically and politically correct term to use if you are wise. Parallel to this, I can help even to say, Hailessilase, Derge, Woyane and PFDJ are killers, genociders and murederers. History has no mercy for what happened and it is well documented fact.

            tes

          • selam

            Dera Tesfe

            You know some times , it happen and some word go out in a split of seconds and that is what happend but when other people use the same word to make it personla attack , it is possible for me to give them back , unless you are correct for that matter i should have used better words

            But you know there are people in this site who came from mekele, shire adwa, wereda agame to just spit a propaganda termed words.
            Any way i will do better when i am debating with people who i think are reasonable.

          • Michael

            Dear “Mizan”
            What the anbesit Selam described is what the majority of Eritreans believe -except the few mahber andnet remnants and the recent sellouts -aka opposition groups. – my father was beaten and imprisoned several times like many Eritreans by Haile Selassie and the mafia Ethiopian orthodox church at the time.
            So are you basically telling the rest of Africans -like Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and Djibouti that they should not create their own countries and states because they were created by colonialism? or perhaps this should not apply to Eritrea?
            No matter how much Eritreans hate HGDEF -Eritrean history will never change…
            Your version of history is a bit twisted in my view…
            Mike

          • tes

            Dear Mizan,

            I differ from you on the interpretation of YG’s case. YG is simply an Eritrean who was like any other Eritreans happy to have an independent Eritrea and he was with this feelings till early 2000s. After visiting Asmara and after seeing the PFDJ way of slaving Eritrea, he revisited his feelings and started to de-romantize them. Not only this, about he went on to the 1960s case and wanted Eritrea to be in that period. This means, denying the 30 years bloody war Ethiopians did on us. We didn’t go to Ethiopia but Ethiopians came to kill us and so we did a reaction. His approach is because of his loss of future about Eritrea and became an opportunists by exploiting the current status of Eritrea to spread his anti-history ideas. Therefore, yes YG is an Eritrean but an opportunist that rejected Eritrean identity consciousley to make his case happen.

            tes

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    BBC after ten full years back to Eritrea to document. The end of PFDJ is not that far as he started already to give-up.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csw9c5

    BBC might have a difficulty to document as they want but at least they will show an empty Harinet Avenue and closed street shops.

    The end of dictatorship is not that far!

    tes

    • selam

      Dear Tesfe
      Do you have any information about the time . I am happy BBC managed to have access to Eritrea. I am sure HGDEF will never ever allow her to go to places like prison. i am afraid this will make a bragging fiasco for IA and his cronies.

      • tes

        Dear selam,

        Please read their web that is all what I have. And as you are living in Asmara, hopefully you will stand in the street and get filmed. It could be a good opportunity for you and for us.

        tes

        • selam

          Dear tesfe.
          I am using a proxy server so i can not open bbc website now but i will see it 2morow do not worry . As per standing on the street , i do believe it will be fun , but it will be nice for you if Yalda hakim filmed some of your relatives and close families (you know what i mean) of course she must go down a road to atekelezan and way way down libi tigrai to find your love.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            You are so kind, tu est très gentil, (lewah ekhi bihaki malet yu tigrigna kinmihreki egre mengedina, Bilen eko dehan eki timesli) yiblu ferensawyan, merci beaucoup ma souer.

            tes

          • selam

            You only hate my way of saying things because i happens to be on your receiving end of your bad words and i really do not mind as most of them do not relate to me . As of my kindness yes i am very humble and nice. I do not believe you hate me as a person. And i do know how excruciating it is to miss your loved once for so long.
            Ja i am becoming good in bilen and i just need few improvement. As per tigrina , it is quite difficult and way way complex .

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Yah you are such a lovely girl (???). I hope I will see you one day in face. The other kick, I understand you what you mean again. Just leave them alone and keep with up with me but if you are that much interested say them hello, I miss them too much and specially my princess.

            tes

          • selam

            Deal done tesfe. You know they are my relatives too , so stay cool.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Remember Yihuda.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            now I want you to listen the massage of honest Eritrean artists of the era. enjoy it.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSYm1kHSc8U

          • Mizan

            Wow Selam and Tes, now you guys are getting very cute. I like it. Anything is possible if you know what I mean but oh boy little selams and little tes’s would need extra terrestrial powers to handle.

  • Tafla

    Wonderful Artice Semere, looking forward to part 2.

  • Semere Andom

    A Brief Memo for Eritrea to survive PFDJ

    Except very few, almost all Eritreans, whether the silent majority or the vocal few are very cognizant that PFDJ’s deliberate actions and mindless blunders are bringing the nation that generation of Eritreans so devotedly wrought for is bringing it to a complete collapse. The demographic collapse of every ethnic group, the bleak economic and health conditions will eventually play a catalytic role in hastening the collapse of the nation we call Eritrea unless some remedial actions are taken by Eritreans first and forms and by the international community.

    Many Eritreans in the opposition are confident in the Eritrean ingenuity that survived 30 years of brutal war and triumphed to create Eritrea in 1991; the reasoning goes: we have withered both Ethiopian regimes, who were supported by foreign powers, we have survived civil wars and offensives that were aimed at wiping us from the planet. We have took the bull that Ethiopia was with our bare knuckles and therefore we can apply the same principles that worked before, that were tested and perfected over the 30 years of tumultuous decades and use them to overcome our current problems.

    Do Away with Ethnic Based opposition

    The crimes committed now on us are the job of an insider, the PFDJ. The insider knows our intrigues, our norms and is privy to our secretes, the secretes we collectively used to fight and win. It was the almost air tight unity in despite our highly diverse society that cemented our victory during the armed struggle. Yes, there was civil wars and disharmony as the sectarian leaders pulled the strings from behind the scenes, but our eyes were laser focused on the jackpot of creating and founding of Eritrea. We gave our lives, we gave our freedom of speech of assembly, freedom of expression. We died for life, we willingly revoked our freedom of freedom. We deprived ourselves from life and liberty to establish life and liberty and the ethnic divide and the balance of power were almost suppressed. Not that we did not know what the leader were up to, but we instinctively believed that depriving ourselves from the life, the freedom and the liberty we had better chances of accomplishment. Said differently, we prioritized and it worked like a charm.

    Now the enemy is privity to our thinking and our ethnic unity is showing cracks as we have created ethnic based opposition groups, armed forces that has no power both due to the basic number and their counter visionary assertions that fighting for your own ethic group is the new way to go, if every ethnic group fights for its own sake and on its own behalf it translates to collectively fighting for all of us.

    Solving this conundrum of ethic based opposition is one of the things we must accomplish to survive PFDJ

    Get Rid of the Fallacy of Internal vs. External Enemy

    This reasoning goes let us solve the extral threat and then deal with the internal threat. This is fallacious, as external and internal as this logic does not consider the danger that each enemy poses to the survival of the nation. External and internal are just geography. If your family member (internal) is a serial rapist and murderer and your neighbour(external) is arrogant, impolite and inconsiderate, you need to first deal with your violet family member for the sake of your survival, dealing first with the belligerent neighbour is silly and dangerous and that is how abusur id the logic of external and internal enemy thinking.

    Do Not Confuse Receiving Help From the “Inconsiderate” Neighbor with Invasion.

    There is a deliberate attempt to mislead About Invasions vs. Help

    There is absolutely nothing immoral or wrong to receiving military help from Ethiopia a context of united, ethnically devoid and mature opposition group to remove the serial killer and rapist incumbent PFDJ. We have be crystal clear and persuade our minds and hearts about this fact. To call the call for military help invasion is dishonest in the context outlined above. We have to use every arrow in our quiver and a military help from Ethiopia is one of the arrows we should not waste.

    The worst thing that can happen to Eritrea is if PFDJ survives it with all it resources, resources that it has stolen and all the information that they have about us and it is my genuine belief that the outlined points can come a long way in making sure that PFDJ does not survive us

    Thank you

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Hope,
    .
    I just noticed, when did I become an uncle? Hope, the 1998-2000 war happened. As Amanuel would say, let historians sort it out. As you yourself many times, sometimes angrily, have said and challenged everyone to discuss what is happening now and take action. Unity of purpose, was almost your slogan.
    I am sorry to say this guy is a dime a dozen in his analysis. He writes as if he was physically in all the meetings that took place, not only that he sometimes goes inside the heads of the characters too. Like Jemil, I stopped in the front half. I don’t like baloney either. Sorry about the attempted sarcasm.
    .
    K.H

    • Abinet

      Kim
      I read it 3 times. Looking forward for part 2. That is what happens when you read something out of the blue. I laughed when I read the part he called Eyobe ” woyane cadre” I had to defend Eyobe.
      Wodaj lemeche new?

  • selam

    The most serious problem any one can do to himself is the failure to admit his mistakes , either present or past . These people i mean these weyenti or some dergi sympathizers have one thing in common that is failure to admit a mistake.

    As we can see all of them in this site they begin from one very tight and twisted point of view and that is trying to twist history.It will be wise if we left the true history of the two people( Eritrean and ethiopian) in its original and lee form.

    And if you want to to have your own show on how history was unfolding please bring prove with out pouring countless lies.
    We Eritreans never expected from any weyenti or dergi people to accept what we have been through.

  • Ali

    I have never seen a party or a society who never learn form their mistakes except highlanders (HIGDEF).

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Thanks author Semere Tesfai for a well-written and articulate presentation of the background of the latest Ethio-Eri “border” war. It was informative and backed by facts, I can’t wait for your next article on the issue. As you put it rightly; it is one thing to oppose the PFDJ regime, but on matters that concern the last war, we’ve to base our criticism based on facts not on mere hatred of the PFDJ-regime. The Eritrean people have two enemies at the moment: enemy number one is the PFDJ, while enemy number two is the Woyane. Both enemies are using the same pretext to subjugate, weaken and dismantle the Eritrean people-the “border” issue. As we all know the border issue has been rendered its final verdict, what is remaining is its demarcation, a process that can be finalised when the situaton allows it. Eritreans should have as first priority the removal of PFDJ dictatorship, and the installment of a constitutional government of their own choice. Once this grand mission is done, it will be time for finalising the border isssue through all possible means.

  • Abel

    I think this is the poorest and boring article of the the year.
    What the….is he taking?

  • Ali

    It is surprising that the highlanders (supporters of HIGDEF) are vowing against the woyane who brought them to leadership killing the JEBHA. I would like to underscore that the highlanders always betray their friends. Imagine who can be the nearest friend of the highlanders than woyane who sacrifices for their empowerment. I beg every lowlander of Eritrea to see how much the highlanders are thankless and useless. We know the war was started by the Eritrean government and the cause of the war was economic than border dispute. We remember the woyane government was asking the government of Esaya to make stats co anti for more than a year even Ruwanda and USA were asking for the Esayas government to retreat. I have a proof that the war was economic than border. Although the woyane government has a bad history against the prominent lowland party JEBHA woyane had a greater input in the independence of Eritrea. Despite a greater opposition in his country woyane was determined in the independence of Eritrea but the highlanders do not give recognition because of their ego. The most important proof that woyane did not start the war and the war was economical than border dispute. Woyane was number one to recognize Eritreas independence with all its borders and sea ports putting his country landlocked. . Although Ethiopians were deported early in the independence Eritreans were in Ethiopia until the war broke out. So, how is possible woyane can start border dispute on peace of land which is economically and politically not critical. Even during the war woyane does not change their idea and principle in the Eritrean independence by the war they gained and by the pressure of their people particularly by the Amhara and some members in the woyane like Gebru to conquer the port of Assabe. It is also important to remember that Eritrea was number three exporter of coffee in the world. Where does this come from? Even to the extent Esayas has tried to open a bank in Ethiopia call the “East African Bank”. My friends it is important to underline here that the highlanders are to this extent selfish. It is this ego that they are implementing in the lowlander. Now they tell us that it is “woyane that started the war” .
    Why is this script important and what is its implication. The writer is definitely HIGDEF. The message of this script is very clear one is for all our failure woyane is responsible. That means Eritrea failed because of the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea. The second is your Enemy is not HIGDEF but woyane so come and let us fight against woyane.
    This has been said so many times even last month during the African Union meeting in Addis ababa the Ambassador of Esayas in Addis Ababa said all the problem is related to the border.
    National service supplemented by law may be related with border conflict. But how is to have a constitution is related to border conflict? How is conducting true election related to border conflict? How is freedom of speech related to border conflict? how is related to put people in prison with out justices related to border conflict? How is land confiscation in the lowland related to border conflict? How is unfair resources share in the country is related to border dispute? How is absences of responsibility of political leaders related to border conflict? However, the highlanders(supporters of Esayas) always tell us that all problems are related to border dispute for instance if you ask them why no constitution in Eritrea they tell you we are in war with Ethiopia. As lowlanders we are deprived of our rights by Esayas not woyane although woyane is historical enemy who destroy JEBHA the representative of the lowland people of that time.

  • Fetima Dechasa

    Decades of hate filled propaganda that united you as people (Ethiopia) has ultimately become Eritrea(ns) Achilles’ heel. From reading comments after comments even on here, it seems many Eritreans invest tremendous amount of time hoping and wishing negativity towards Ethiopia that their own country is almost an afterthought. To the contrary, I wish you peace and prosperity.

    In the words of Anyen Rinpoche: “Covetousness and wishing harm on others seem to go hand in hand. They bring to mind words like greed, envy, jealousy, malice, competition, rivalry and resentment. These all imply a strong sense of self-attachment and the placement of one’s own needs and desires above those of others. Hope and fear govern these actions – where is the equanimity?

    The false belief characteristic of coveting is that acquiring one thing or another will bring happiness, security, or validation of who we think we are. We all know too well the feeling of wanting something so badly, finally getting that precious thing, and then the inevitable letdown afterwards. There is always something else, one more thing and if we could just have that, then we will be happy. We are habitually seeking happiness outside of ourselves through external means, rather than realizing that true happiness is found within. Worldly happiness is fleeting at best and shackles us to samsara.” – Anyen Rinpoche

    • Ted

      Fatima, the article is about the war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. It is only natural, in the Eritrean website” Eritrean talk about both side of the story. As Eritrean i have no knowledge Eritrean wishing ill towards Ethiopians nor we support them if there are. We fought for independence and we got it. That supposed to be the end of the story but now TPLF led Ethiopian gov going back at it to destroy us. Advice, hate can’t be lasting unity impetus for a country. When It fades, what then. Assuming you are Ethiopian, we wish you unity and prosperity.

      • Abel

        Ted,
        “TPLF led Ethiopian gov going back at it to destroy us.”

        How is that? Did I miss something? Last time I checked,TPLF/EPRDF/ are so preoccupied with development projects, Highways, airports ,railroads, dams…..

        If you mean to say they completely ignored Eritrea.? all I could say to you is get used to it. Eritrea is no more relevant to Ethiopia,

        • Ted

          Read it again, “Assuming you are Ethiopian, we wish you unity and prosperity.

          • Abel

            Ted,
            1-Thank you for the good wish.
            2-I read it again, the more i read the more it becomes meaningless.
            I can safely tell you this, Eritrea is not worthy of a minor /major war.
            Who need Eritrea? Can’t you see Ethiopia is doing very well with out Eritrea?
            I was watching the debate among the political parties and NONE mentioned Eritrea, why? because it is no more relevant.
            This is not to deny the fact that a peaceful and prosperous Eritrea would definitely be a plus to Ethiopia too.

          • Ted

            Abel, “Who need Eritrea? Can’t you see Ethiopia is doing very well with out Eritrea?
            I was watching the debate among the political parties and NONE mentioned Eritrea, why? because it is no more relevant.”

            Good for you, i am glad you moved on. For better or worse, we got our country called Eritrea. It is natural to get mad at the one who got away, if it is any consolation, it is not from lack of trying from your side but our love for Eritrea is stronger than yours . Let’s go our merry way for now until Ethiopians get free from the shackle of TPLF.

          • Abel

            Ethiopians are born free,. Never colonized and will always be free. TPLF is part and parcel of Ethiopia Enough with your distortion.

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Ted,

            You just sound bitter and insecure. I guarantee you that the minute you make yourself and your country a priority, Ethiopia will become a non-factor like Eritrea is a non-factor to us Ethiopians. Give it a rest, it’s been over two decades for crying out loud.

          • Nitricc

            bitter? Ted has nothing to be bitter, he is proud. you should; however be bitter, your are majority and you are owned by minority. not the Amara, buy the 6 % Tigryans. well, i guess you have to have some self pride to feel bitter. be happy with your weayne riding you like you know what.

          • Abimet

            We are free from you know what.

          • Ted

            Fatima Desacha,”You just sound bitter and insecure” thank you for the freebie diagnosis of my ailment. Why uneasy and jumpy when ever i mention TPLF vis a vis Eritrea. How i feel about TPLF is real and based on factual grievance and you know it well i am not alone. If you are the supporter of TPLF led gov, it is better to work harder convincing your own citizens the minority apartheid rule is good for them. Good luck, Eritrea is the least of your problem. The better thing is, with high hope, Ethiopia and Eritrea have better relationship after TPLF. You went overboard choosing a nick name for yourself (Oromo-Muslim-female) it is becoming a common theme here, just saying..

        • selam

          Your so called prime minster was in Djibouti only talking bad about Eritrea and your economic advisers clearly stated that , the main risk for your bond market is Eritrea and hunger.

          The Eritrean people are not enemy of any one but you are right HGDEF is giving weyane some thing to talk about. Unless weyane is way smart on creating enemies to the 6% of the ethiopian people.

          • Fetima Dechasa

            selam,

            Eritrea is a direct threat to our security so of course we are going to discuss it with our strongest ally in the horn (also a future federation of Ethiopia) Djibouti and Somaliland. We wouldn’t be even blink twice or worried if your government wasn’t such a threat via harboring terrorists and causing immanent danger to our national security.

            It seems you are wayyyyyyyyyy too invested in Ethiopia and her people. Let me ask… how is life in Eritrea?

          • Abel

            Selam,
            *The legitimate PM of Ethiopia(doesn’t need ur approval),his highness Hailemariam Desalen of the great peoples of Kembata and his counter part from Djibouti made one tiny /small remark on Eritrea’s, 99.99% of the press release was about Economic and eventual political integration of the two sisterly countries,I am sure this( plus the recent celebration in Mekele) has caused great pain/ an ewe and shock and a mistaken feeling of uselessness among many HIGDEFites,no worry,one day a peace full and civilized Eritrea will be part of the Economic union too, it is a simple fact. If I were you,I wouldn’t dwell on the bond market and disclosure issues,there is nothing to fish in it ,it is simple requirement of disclosure of ANY likelihood,a normal person would have learnt a lesson from from the exceeding demand for Ethiopian sovereign bond.

            If there was any civility and mature reasoning in YOU and your likes, you would respect and appreciate the heavy scarifies Weyane paid for Eritrean peoples self autonomy.
            Fyi, the well over 100,000 Eritrean refugees and the ten’s of thousands Eritreans freely dueling in business,education, civil administration or leaders of parties in Ethiopia is the result of Weyane Tigray’s policy.There is no policy of discrimination against Eritreans in Ethiopia.

          • selam

            Dear Abel
            My response was just to tell you , still weyane does call Eritrea as agreat risk for your bond market. Now you want tell about the help from weyane to EPLF or vise versa , i will not debate you on that , because there are many Eritreans who can debate you on that matter based on facts and experience . The discrimination you have done is beyond any numbers because you and your family are the recipient of wealth from eritrean people who was in ethiopia for generation but your evil meles zenawi gave it to you.

            Now did i wish, to have a union absolutely yes , we should have formed a free economic zone , yes but i am not saying this out of desperation , i am saying this because we Eritreans can do business when ever and where ever we get peace.

            About the policies of weyane , i really do not want to talk about that , as you know i will rise the land grape in ethiopia and the beneficiary of these projects , the genocide of the oromo people and i can continue for more but i should not waste my time on such.

          • Abinet

            Selam
            The bond is gone . It was sold like a hot cake off the oven. All 1 billion of it . 70% in US the rest in Europe markets.
            You are reading too much into the disclaimer. Selam , if you read the side effects of any medicine you probably won’t take it . You might read ” this medicine may cause death ” That is how I see the disclaimer of the bond.
            The other thing is I’m becoming more and more suspicious if you are eritrean. I think you are Oromo or dating an oromo from OLF . I think it is a good thing . Nothing stronger than love.
            Who is the lucky one to date an Asmara Tsibuqti? I told you you are lovely people.

          • selam

            What i was telling abel is that , , Weyane is still mentioning Eritrea. when he said Ethiopia will not mention Eritrea that was all. As per to your the disclaimer , love from oromo and other staffs i will not waste doing push ups with you .

          • Abel

            Selam’s holier-than-thou attitude !!!

            You want us to believe that you care about Oromo’s and other proud nation and nationalities more than an Ethiopian? No shame?

            “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:5

          • selam

            Abel

            Good point i really do think it is good point and i feel you challenged me . But while i clean my eye will you please accept your mistakes for commenting about Eritrea. why will you come and drop ill staff about Eritrea while your government imprisoned and discriminate almost 40% of the population, tell me why are you allowed to bash about eritrea and let your weyane swim where ever they want ?

            Ask all your ethiopian compatriots to contribute good points about how to bring the eri – ethio people to peaceful way of living . when you do that i will do what ever it takes to dump my grievances from weyane, dergi and the old evil man on that , i promise to hold my word and uphold my vows.

          • Ted

            Selam, Do you know who you are talking to. It is not it matters but it helps to know.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam, I really don’t know why you hate Meles, wasn’t great man horn have ever seen? Ok, you may not agree on that all because you are living around people who hate him. but don’t you think it is not in our ethics to talk much about the dead? why don’t you live him in peace and talk about that alive devil leading our nation with out any legal rule?

          • selam

            Dear Kokhob.

            You know kokhob i respect you and read all your posts just to take some thing when i switch off my modern lap top.
            But on this sorry to disappoint you in advance.
            If i was old enough and saw him dance in front of me i will kiss his lips having me full of venom to kill him instantly that is the last margin i have.Now why will i see meles as a great leader while he is one side of the problem ? are not you praising and making the story of the Spanish dictator ?

            Tell me why was not he who send my family my people from ethiopia taking all their belonging and giving them to his Adwa relatives and to some dergi members , Tell me one reason that i should give any respect as a human being ?

          • Abel

            It at all there is any risk,it has to come from the one and the only officially terrorist country.
            How could you not understand this simple fact?

        • Fetima Dechasa

          Abel,

          I am also wondering as to how TPLF or Ethiopia is destroying them. We shall wait for the answer.

          • Ted

            Fatima, i will respond to you as Ethiopian not as TPLF cadre knowing TPLF is more enemy to Ethiopia than Eritrea. We have a bigger fish to fry at home than talk about TPLF but they won’t get off our back or land for that matter. The gov we entrusted at home with our well being is not doing up to our expectation but it does not mean we need to sleep with TPLF, the Enemy of everything Eritrea(it is like the fox guarding the chicken coop)”. What i mean by “”TPLF led Ethiopian gov going back at it to destroy us.” is the war waged by TPLF to circumvent our independence in disguise of Bademe border. We foiled the plot with heavy loss and if that is not enough, to this day, with their Western backers they leave no stone unturned to undermine us as a nation. We got a cue it was not a border war when innocent Eritreans hard earned money looted in a broad day light and made them leave with only a shirt on our back. Now we know for sure, It was a staged theater for gullible Ethiopians , the show with big fan fair for the rebirth of TPLF as Ethiopian. It worked, Eritreans demonized, the gullible marched in droves, until they crossed the BURIE desert to face the Eritreans in ASSAB FRONT, well you know how it ended. Assab became the “camels drinking hole”, Meles bit the dust, and the new ceremonial prime minster going at it( begging for more sanction) as told by his masters.

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Ted,

            Utter nonsense!! Goodbye.

          • Ted

            Fatima, ” If Ethiopia is holding Bademe, why aren’t your trigger happy cousins taking it back?” What about the rule of law. Do you know one reason why Ethiopia don’t want vacate the area. Zero, nada, Zilch. Bademe is nothing but a barren land for almost all Ethiopians except Weyane. Ethiopians never did and never will give a rats ass about Badme but duped to go to unnecessary war. It will not be far TPLF held accountable for the crimes committed under pretense of border issue. TPLF can’t hoodwinked Ethiopians and Eritreans forever. The gig is up, and if you are not weyane it is a good news.

      • Fetima Dechasa

        Ted,

        Before I make any assumptions, can you explain to me how “TPLF led Ethiopian gov going back at it to destroy” you?

        Thanks!

  • Mizan

    Is this still doable (see quote below)? Abinet exemplifies a typical Ethiopian and Selam exemplifies a typical Eritrean. I say this because the typical Ethiopian is so proud of his country’s progress and thinks Eritrea is nothing but a hindrance. The typical Eritrean is ambivalent as to who the real enemy is because they accuse PFDJ of the bad things but then if an Ethiopian comes and says the same thing, then that Eritrean barks back and says PFDJ is my problem child and I love my problem child and I will correct him so he can be a good kid when he grows up. All he needs is a little reforming. I want to see those twos (Abinet and Selam) take on the quote below from the article.

    “…prior to May 1998, EPLF leaders wanted to be so close to Ethiopia they were saying publicly – borders are irrelevant; free movement of people goods services and capital is the way to move forward; dual citizenship for those who wanted it (Eritreans and Ethiopians) is what brings the two people closer; single currency single monetary policy single foreign and diplomatic policy is what serves the two people best; having synchronized defense and security policy under unified central command is what makes the two people safe and secure; moving towards integrated economy under some kind of regional confederation is what brings stability and economic prosperity to the people of this region…… and many more were EPLF leaders public positions…”

    • Abinet

      Hi Mizan
      I like to quote Sydney Sheldon. In one of his books he said, ” never let a friendly fox into your chicken house. One day he is going to get hungry.”
      EPLF = friendly fox

      • Hope

        Abi:
        Here is the proven Fact:
        TPLF=The super “friendly”Fox;Flip-flopper;Deadly Opportunist;The biter of its Mom’s Breasts

        • Abinet

          Nefse
          That is called accusations. Where is the ” evidence ?”
          Besides, the last time I checked, it is eplf who bit Emama Ethiopian’s breast using the Arab’s teeth. She is still hurting. She was in a comatose for a long time . Now she is in recovery room. Come visit her.
          Visiting hours
          24/7/365
          Bring NEW FLOWER if you come to Addis Ababa.

          • selam

            Dear Abi

            You know i respect your ethiopiansim especially your view on fighting poverty . what i do not expect from you is” labeling the Eritrean people” who demanded for their freedom under heavy price with out any out side help too some how help from arabs. That is called blindness due your love to candy. You know hailesilasie and dergi have been saying the same still they lost to the sheer braveness of the Eritrean help .
            Ok lets accept you are loyal to Ethiopia but how come you want us to believe about your wrong understanding of the eritrean struggle .

            Weyane are using American and Uk help to do evil things all over. ok that is nice to you bad to somalia , Eritreans and very bad to oromo .

          • Abinet

            Selam
            I know you are young and energetic. I appreciate that .
            One thing I couldn’t understand is your worries about the Oromo people. Some are worried about the Amhara people . If I may ask you what is in it for you that makes you lose sleep for Oromos and Amharas?
            The other thing is the help you received from the Arabs is not a pocket change. Almost all the former and current leaders of your struggle were trained, brainwashed, and used by the Arabs for their hidden motives of hurting my country. Have you ever asked what was in it for the Arabs to initiate and support your struggle ?
            Selam, let me say this one more time just for you. We should have let you go long time ago. We wasted hundreds of thousands of human life, material and financial resources for people determined to depart. What a waste !
            The other thing is you are expecting ” woyane ” to be nice for you . Get real . You know each other very well.
            There is an Amharic saying I like to use it here.
            ” keAbro adegih gar atisaded ”
            I hope some body will help me translate.
            Thanks

    • selam

      Dear Mizan , As you clearly stated i hate PFDJ to death , i hate hate hate them. And i am doing my best to dismantle them. As for the prior to 1998 , i was very young and i am only reading documented agreements and watching the interview this mad man (IA) said. I hope we live in a peaceful way with Ethiopians i really do . I believe i am the citizen of the world but my heart and my mind belongs to my people. Do not take me wrong , i still say and believe we should live in respected way of life with our neighbors . You know geography is stupid. We can not ship eritrea near vatican.

      I bark back because these may be not Abinet but some tend to paint our history in a wrong way and try to dismantle our fabric that makes me to stand firm .They should make sure Eritreans and PFDJ are different .
      As per the solution i do not want PFDJ to introduce any reform even it is ok to have little breathing air for the masses. , i want them to go just go , we do not need them , we have enough of their bloody system.

      • Mizan

        Very impressive Selam. Thank you for taking my comment seriously and responding. I think I may have judged you wrong as with your altercation with Mr. Tesfabirhan. Anyway, all I can say is afki yisaar. But I am disappointed with Abinet because he effectively equated all Eritreans with EPLF.

        • Abinet

          Hi Mizan
          I’m sorry to get F- in your test.
          I was just responding to the quotation you provided from the article. Wasn’t that your question?

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Jemil,
    .
    Did you say you stopped halfway. Oh my goodness, don’t you enjoy creative writing style used. I am hopeful you will read part 2 that is coming from beginning to end and get informed/enjoy it. It is being fine tuned and refined to win you over. The author is busy checking the facts and double checking the sources of the sources, to be sure.
    .
    K.H

  • selam

    Hi hayat you come with new name or , happens to be your twin. The war in 1998 til 2000 was not about HGDEF in the Eritrean mind set , may be very few knew about IA plan but the whole country was behind the Eritrean forces.But i challenge you to say any thing about the EVIL weyane action over our people .

    Here is the true story of the Eritrean people under weyane in 1998
    During June, July, and August of 1998 more than twenty thousand individuals of Eritrean national origin have been deported from Ethiopia by that country’s government in a deliberate program of mass expulsion. Most of these individuals are Ethiopian citizens and the remainder are Eritrean citizens temporarily but legally present in Ethiopia. Those expelled were never charged with any crime. They were held for up to three months in prison, then put on buses, driven to the border, and told to walk across. Farmers in northern Ethiopia have been forced from their traditional lands on a few hours notice and ordered to leave for Eritrea on foot. Unknown numbers dead in Ethiopian detention camps, and those who still temporarily retain their freedom in Ethiopia have been required to register as “Eritrean ” with the Ethiopian government. Massive violations of human rights have taken place in the course of this program of mass deportation. In addition to the fact that the deportees were never afforded due process before their expulsion, all of their property has been effectively confiscated. While in prison, they have had to provide their own food and water, and some have been held, manacled, in solitary confinement or in overheated shipping containers. Families have been torn apart, with those children who accompany parents into exile suffering the same conditions of confinement and with those remaining behind left to fend for themselves. On top of this hinous crime you love to tell us how weyane love the Eritrean people and talk about 50birr or 60birr on your fiction story telling.

  • HayaT1

    HGDF’s mouthpiece goon AKA Semere has come up with his usual brouhaha. Its content and imagined objective is the same outmoded HGDF 1+2 = 2+1 adage. As Semere is infected with the incurable HGDF malady, he does not remember his master has been saying and doing the same since long ago. But HGDFits are devoid of the very rudimentary reason, and because of that, incapable identifying their long lived woes. People of reason should not be bewildered why HGDF is ossified
    in its deleterious acts or its inability to replace its cruel practices by time fitting, explainable policies. It is NOT in its nature. This piece is nothing but part and parcel of the same “made in HGDF” trivia.

  • Yoty Topy

    Ouch!

  • tes

    Dear Semere Tesfay,

    I think awatawyan missed you a lot, welcome back.

    As for the article, let you come-again with your second part and we will see if you are out of the woyane bla bla. Anyhow, I have something to give you as a gift:

    Native American Council Offers Amnesty to 240 Million Undocumented Whites

    http://cityworldnews.com/native-american-amnesty/

    If you are in America, think about getting a legal residence permit.

    tes

  • selam

    The EEBC do not want to disappoint weyane unless we know who started the war. It is ok EEBC gave that notion to weyane but we won for what we say is our land. That was true in 1961 and yet true in 1998 .we Eritreans won both. Government come and go what remain is the true nature of the people.

  • Amde

    oh goody.. there is a part 2

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Amde, yea, just like Woyane 2;-)

  • selam

    When i read this i just thought about the stupidity if HGDEF and their evil leader , the way he played old politics with his rigid head. But hi , we are Eritreans and we remain to defend our land even though we do not have a leader. Again to our sea hungry neighbors , This is what happened and accept it. If not tell us your side show story.

    When i finished reading the article , i have expected so many hateful and twisted weyenti as well as losers from dergi time will come and cry full. They will try every thing to tell us from the weyane propaganda machine as well as ena shenifalen from dergi where their relatives get lost on the way to asseb.

    To all eshi getaye, please take your issues out of this . Put your people’s bravery first and defend the history from stupid lairs .

  • oldbadtimes

    Oh my mind…., what a barking dog writer 🙂 :), is that what balanced report mean for a sensible Eritrean or/and person for that matter or you are just one of the dying and stinking cadres of Esayas? Your brain looks information hungry and thirsty and feed and quench it with sensible evidence before barking like a mad dog. Oh God bless The gallant Ethiopian Army for annihilating and humiliating and defeating the Eritrean Soldiers frontiered in the highly dug trenches all over the Northern part of Ethiopian borders. Before we move further i want to make sure that you have working mind 😉 Question 1. Did woyane dug trenches in badme and through out the border when the war broke and fighting ignited please ? Question 2. Where woyane amassing soldiers as an evidence for your argument before the war conceived please? Question 3. Have you been in Zalambessa town please, so that you could have observed the evil and dirty mind of the Eritrean government and Army for destroying and looting everything before even the war started? Questioned 4. Were it woyane who was refusing for negotiation by third parties or Shabiya before both countries entered into the bloody war? Question 5: Did you notice how evil, killers and monsters were even the civil Eritrean people for the Ethiopian living in Asmara and all over your Italian begot country Let alone your cruel armed forces please? Question 6. Did you know woyane’s economic intelligence surpassed shabiya’s before the war started for changing the currency of Ethiopia before Eritrea changed its currency into Nakfa? Question 7.Did Ethiopia had record of invading any sovereign neighbor country before the war started please? ETC…. It would take me more than 1000 questions to brief your narrow mind that the war was started by the one and only AGGRESSOR your king of kings Wedi afom and his blind followers.

    I will answer my questions one by one for you and the like:
    Q1: Woyane had no trenches dug between the border for your information and that was why we had to root up either alive or dead your already fortified “Warsay Yikaelo”. Wedi Afom even bragged Quote “Kab Badme Wetsa-ena malet tsehay ariba ala malet eyu, degima atiberiken malete eyu”. This quote still makes me laugh loud whenever i see Wedi Afom on the one and only reliable ERITV :):) Weyone had no plan of invading Eritrea and we still curse Melese and his government for trusting the bad guy too much and for not envisioning the aggressor was building up to invade the ancient and proud nation on Earth. But as you said the war united us into one as what we did during the war with your CREATORS(ITALIANS).

    Q2: While shabiya was amassing thousand of soldiers in the name of “NATIONAL SERVICE” through its sacred place called “SAWA”, woyane was almost totally unarmed, if you are well read and have working mind.

    Q3: You tried to display the holiness and innocence of your army and your government. But the reverse is true. Wedi afom and his soldiers looted the whole town of ZALAMBESSA before even the two nation went into all out war. Your troops are the worse in humanity and their discipline. Woyane did the same to the town of Barentu AFTER the war which i do not support. Anyways, i am raising this issue to make you know that Wedi Medhin berad Invaded Ethiopia. The issues and violence you raised to support your poor argument in between the settlers around the bolder, it is natural to enter into conflict due to fertile land or grazing land needs. It cannot be considered as a pretension for all out war. It is just human nature. And your argument dies right here to take is as war instigation gesture.

    Q4: Shabiya was hardheaded for negotiation before the war But AFTER he war was begging international negotiators to save him from the marching powerful and gallant Ethiopian Army. Guess what maverick writter? 🙂 😉 Wedi afom even allowed 25km buffer zone for negotiators only within the territory of Eritrea as a sign of humiliation by the strong Ethiopian army while he said DEAD NO before the war and this is crystal clear evidence for you that he started the war still only if you have working mind.

    Q5. Let alone to lable shabiya and its soldiers as as holly and responsible body, Even the civil people of Eritrea was turned into killers and vampires when the war started and killed, wounded, looted thousand of Ethiopians who used to live in Eritrean before the war. I am saying this to prove you wrong that your army and your government are the worse in the world in humanity record. Do you know your army still kills and shoots its people who try to cross the border between Ethiopia and Eritrea to escape your prison country? I am not sure if you do. I mean, how in the world can a person with working mind claim that the Eritrean government and army are responsible bodies.

    Q6: When woyane unfolded that shabiya was conspiring to hurt the economy of Ethiopia buy changing its currency into NAKFA, that time i think is the worse nightmare, madness and headache for Wedi AFOM for invading Ethiopia in broad daylight. He was conspiring to hurt the already poor economy of the war torn country. But woyane did its job perfectly as responsible government does and PRINT different BIRR NOTE for Ethiopia which made what was in Shabiya’s pocket valueless.

    Q7. For your information Ethiopia has no record of aggression under the current leadership except once in Somalia to hit the terrorist group that was blossoming in Mekadisho. Our gallant Army did it responsibly and finished the terrorist group and left the country by delivering the mandate to the international community. Oh Wedi Medhin berad and his generals invaded every neighbor. Do you know that please I mean if you have working mind?? 😉 Anyways shabiya has the addiction of invading sovereign nations and it did it repetitively to all the neighbors. That is clear proof for you if you had working mind. Woyane broke the backbone of shabiya and it is still crawling due to that defeat let alone to invade another nation. The Ethio-Eritrea war gave Esu and his followers life long lesson not to touch Ethiopia. Wedi afom even confessed it many times about the lesson he got from the war. “KITIHASIBO KELEKA MEMELISU EYU KEBIDIKA ZEBELI-E, Abiti qinat zewa-ele yizareb, and much more ANJEWJEW….”. Anyways, stop brainwashing Eritreans about who started the aggression and the war by presenting baseless evidences and accusations.

  • sara

    Omg,this article was just out this morning and see how many of our southern neighbor cyber warriors are out to defend the current regime. out of ten commentators nine are them, where are we eritreans?
    one of the commentators even said he is happy with what the tplf has done to eritrea and eritreans, it made him feel more ethiopian than any other time since tplf came to power. well good for him,but let every one of them know though war is not good,this destructive war and its aftermath has manifested the real thoughts and dreams of those we been fighting for the past 100+ years. now we know why our parents have this awful stories they used to tell about their past agonies from our southern neighbors.
    God bless eritrea!

    • Abinet

      sara
      We all know you grew up listening to awful stories done to your parents by the southern neighbors. Keep this article in your archive for the next generation of eritreans . Keep the hate cycle going . Shame !

      • selam

        And we also know you grow up listening to dergi music of war and how bad eritreans are.

        • Ted

          Selam and Sara, TPLF can’t see beyond the end of its nose. Greed and envy blinded them to the extent they can’t see their foot is on fire. They bite like rabies dog from left and right and surely they will die alone foaming from both side of their mouth. They want us to shove it under rag and forget. Not so fast we say.

      • Hope

        Abi,
        Swallow the bitter truth,accept it and move on and never ever try to commit the same mortal sin/crime!

        • Abinet

          Nefse
          Sorry for the delayed response. I didn’t see this piece of advice of yours. Thank you . I’m doing just that . I’m doing fine. It took me really a long time to swallow the ” bitter truth ”
          Nefse , next time you write prescriptions, please make sure to include the direction as to how to take it .
          CHOCKING HAZARD!!!
          When you swallow a bitter truth, please use plenty of beer.

    • sarah ogbay

      Sara,,
      please comment on ideas/ substance not people.

      • sara

        Dear, pardon me.
        are you telling us talking about people and their thoughts are not ideas/substances, isn’t the whole issue
        discussed here about peoples and grievances ,aspiration etc. what are substance and ideas for you… you mean like classroom or lab ideas and substances or something else.

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Sarah .
          Being cynic does not help any one. First of all I was referring to you not to others so the ‘us’ you wrote is wrong.
          As the article is about issues between Ethiopia and Eritrea and the war between them, we should talk about it and not about the people who comment. As far as classroom or lab are concerned, ideas and substances are not restricted to classrooms and labs. People learn from other people regardless of their identities, age, race or level of education or position.
          Please understand that I will not respond to any cynic comment you might write.

  • This article is straight from the propaganda office of the regime in Asmara, full of disinformation, deception, and oversimplification of facts, while at the same time, leaving out important ones. By using a strawman argument, and demonizing woyane in every sentence, while absolving and sanctifying the regime in Asmara, he is doing a disservice to peace and cooperation between the two people that should be the way of the future.

    Denying that EPLF was behaving irrationally after the 1991 defeat of the
    Dergue, was plundering the economy of Ethiopia, the Nakfa was issued mainly to manipulate and control the Ethiopian economy, with a currency that was worth nothing, and yet it was to be used on par with the birr, and woyane could not have turned a blind eye forever, shows that the article is not meant to tell the truth. It is a propaganda paper in support of the regime in Asmara. .

    EPLF was expecting that TPLF/EPLF cooperation against the Dergue was to be followed by exploitation of Ethiopia to build Eritrea. What sort of Ethiopian government would TPLF/EPRDF would have been, if this were to be the case? On the Ethiopian side, our beef with the woyane is in allowing the exploitation of Ethiopia in the first place, and in not acting decisively to cut the Gordian knot of exploitation much earlier, before Ethiopians became profoundly annoyed. Even many were telling them to behave as leaders of Ethiopia, and protect the national interest of the country, and not to give-in to EPLF’s demands.

    The author does not mention at all the belligerent nature of the regime in Asmara, and he dwells on creating facts to prove that it was woyane who started the war, for different reasons. Before DIA made the fateful mistake of invading Ethiopia, he had undertaken a war of aggression against Yemen, Sudan and even little Djibouti. He was acting as the bully of the region, because his ego was inflated beyond control. At the time war erupted, Ethiopia could not defend Addis let alone start a war of aggression, and she had to move the EAL to Nairobi to protect the aircrafts. A country going to war would defend not only its capital
    city, but also any major city for that matter. Woyane had to ask previous
    dergue soldiers, to re-enlist to the armed forces, and pilots that it forced to
    flee the country, to come back and serve in the Ethiopian air force. This shows how unprepared woyane was for aggression. Therefore, the author cannot convince even the gullible regime supporters that the Ethiopian side was the aggressor.

  • sarah ogbay

    Selam Semere,
    Interesting theory. You said that the arabs were infurated by the close relationship of EPLF and EPRDF, why would they be. It was not something created after 1991. The whole world knows they fought the Derg together. They had supported each other in different waysto get where they got in 1991. Why did the arabs not reacted before 1991?
    My other question is what do you think was there for EPLF in the cosy relatioship you say was getting cozier?
    You said the Ethiopian political machinery was ceating and beating the drum of hate before the war. May be. But why do you think EPLF started national service training hundreds of thousands of young people without even building the infrastructures for national service policy?
    Semere I am asking you this questions because, after reading your article anyone who was too young to understand the war would develop more bitterness instead of working out future solutions so that similar wars won’t happen. Of course, weaker Eritrea is the dream and mission of Ethiopia. But what are we doing for that not to happen? Instead of calling some ‘their agents’ wouldn’t it be wiser to stand on their side and watch thay they don’t fall in any trap?

  • Hope

    Huhuhuhu,
    Welcome back Sem Tesfay!
    Excellent,factual and to the point!
    Hakki merrar eyya,so,let them bark and cry!
    At last,truth will prevail,hence,Eritrea and ERITREANS will prevail.
    But for the sake of Truthh and honesty,PIA messed up and miscalculated as well!
    He could have prevented the war as well!
    The Awate University has upgraded itself to the next level of Excellence!

  • Wudmatas

    It does not take such a long article to prove or disprove “who started that war argument.” Shabiya was training hundreds of thousands of soldiers and at the sametime they were digging miles of trenches and holes right across the boarder of the two unlucky countries. On the other hand, the leaders of Ethiopia maintained neither their fighters nor trained new ones. In addition to this only few militia men were kept at the boarder of the two countries. The reason for this may be the did not expect any war between their old friend and themselves that sooner. If Woyanes wanted war to be their agenda then they should have prepared for it. Shabiya was entertaining “Ethiopia yegarachin Eritrea yeglachin” kind of altitude and it was time to stop that not by Ethiopian authorities but by the people of Tigrai. This in fact provoked Isayas and he blindly opened fire. He took this kind of crazy risk because he thought he won the 30 year old war just by himself. This is his second miscalculation. Thanks to the then Pria Minister of Ethiopia he maintained his power. Otherwise, the angry Ethiopians were about to swallow him. Now, he understood his real power that is why he is pretending to be a good boy.

  • Sera Bezu

    As a typical Ethiopian who lived through those years back home, your article is music to my ears. I understand your version, you are entitled to it, and it shows how it hurts. When was the last time any Ethiopian said losing eritrea is like losing your head, blah, blah?… I was one of those who said so… But now ask most Ethiopians and most would agree if eritrea was to go back to be part of Ethiopia. We agree there should be a referendum in Ethiopia! And I would vote No! No peace no war! Who do you think that would benefit? Think of 250K soldiers facing across a border at each other. Now think what kind of population needs to support them. At last I personally am still magnanimous I still give my Eritrean friends some flours- Teff Shiro, kibe, Berbere… I still think You guys got what you deserved. and as to the Woyanes , like them or not they are our woyanes. Not yours.

    • selam

      so why do not you ask your government to get out from Eritrean land and obey the international law.
      So why are Ethiopia and Djibouti making noise about the dictator then, Their diplomatic circles are moving fast to blame Eritrea and then have election arm twisting. do you remember also the risk of buying Ethiopian bond , where they tell all investors , war with Eritrea plus hunger are the risk.

  • ወች ጉድ

    a half century later, you are still whining about Amaras. Just quit it.

  • derebew

    Hi
    You said “Not because of the content of the agreement and its intended security economic and social objectives, not because the agreement was a lopsided agreement that favoured Eritreans at the expense of Ethiopians, but because…………..”

    REALLY?
    You mean to tell us Eritreans didn’t take undue advantage? Were they not given free access to business and trade in Ethiopia (tax free), didn’t they have free movement in Ethiopia when Ethiopians were either thrown out of Eritrea with out their property or put in prison? Didn’t Eritrea that doesn’t have a single coffee tree become one major coffee exporter by stilling it from Ethiopia? Did’t Eritrea want its own currency and also exchange the defunct Ethiopian Birr to trade with Ethiopia to instantly doubl its economy 2 fold until they were surprised Ethiopia was also changing its currency, which angered Isias? Wasn’t Isias miffed when he was told no more cross border trade with local currencies, for merchandise worth more than 100 Birr/ Nakfa? Didn’t that deprive the Isaias regime its main source of economy, which was and still is black market and smuggling?

    You may think you were entitled to such privilege like your leader, Isaias (yes mad/ crazy Isaias) but NO you don’t have that right hence Woyane stopped it breaking the back bone of illegality, which provoked the Badme war.
    There is no fool here and we all know there were some problems before 1998 but those reasons wouldn’t lead any sane leader to order his army to invade a neighbouring country while his delegation are talking peacefully about such issues in Addis?

    It shouldn’t be denied there were few factors that emboldened Isias and distorted his self perception and lead him to commit the gravest mistake in his life, war against Ethiopia.
    – He assumed the Woyane will not retaliate with force or fight back
    because of internal factors( internal opposition) and of course he
    assumed Sheabia was the ultimate fighting force (do you remember
    “the might is right” speech of Isaias)
    – He had intimidated the Sudan and Yemen and he was certain in his sick mind, that Woyane will capitulate and that he was going to get what he wanted by intimidation, of course he gravely miscalculated and he thought the Woyane were not going yo fight back.
    – He wrongly believed Ethiopia was weak and would fragment if attacked by Eritrea( listen to his speech in 1998) and still delusionally thinks the same (listen to what he says about Woyane/ Ethiopia even in 2015).
    It is not new for some Eritreans, to rewrite history to make it fit their version and if necessary fabricating facts to suit their explanation. Hence, I am not surprised to read your article but then the proof is in the pudding and look at the Eritrea and Ethiopia now, and tell me that Eritrea was not benefiting before the 1998 war?
    The only period of time Eritreans had hope was 1991 – 1998, which was a time of relative peace and friendly relation with Ethiopia despite some disagreement, which is not uncommon among neighbouring countries. Those disagreements shouldn’t lead to war and it is sad you think these are cause enough to justify Isias’ invasion Ethiopia and the resulting devastation. (I say Isias’ invasion because I don’t want to make Eritreans culpable to a grave mistake of one mad man.)
    Ethiopia is on a different trajectory and has no interest in Eritrea except for peaceful coexistence as good neighbours if possible or contain it as it is doing now.
    Ethiopia will make a grave mistake if it accepts any sort of relationship or any sort of integration now or in the future, be it economic or otherwise except good neighbourly relationship and no interference in the internal affairs of each other.
    There may still be few nostalgic Ethiopians(the number is dwindling with time) who want some kind of union/federation with Eritrea but trust me, most Ethiopians have come to see the truth that Eritrea was not vital for Ethiopia (economy or existence) and truthfully now most Ethiopians realize that Eritrea was a liability to Ethiopia and are happy that it gained independence. You can rest assured, we will remain separated and you can continue to savour and indulge in your independence and we will enjoy our brotherly and mutually benefiting relationship with Djibouti, the Sudan, Somalia and Kenya.
    I sometimes think Sheabia and Isias are better and worthwhile foes to Ethiopia/ the people of Tigray than the some of you who are no good to your own country and would like to see Ethiopia fragment not so you can benefit but to bask in the suffering of the people of Ethiopia and in particular the people of Tigray. You can keep on wishing but Ethiopia and Tigray have transcended the divisive and hateful politic and we are on a firmer ground than ever we will prevail to the dismay of our ill wishers.
    Our enemies Sadam Hussien, Assad, Gaddfi, Mubarek, Siad Barre…. the list goes on, are dead and some are as good as dead or incapacitated like Isias and his creation Al Shebab….What a miracle for Ethiopia.

    • Ted

      The article is meant for our own people so we can unite or debate on this issue for greater good of Eritrea. We will deal with you in due time when the dust settles. FYI, get real, Weyane one thing, Ethiopia another thing..

      • Abinet

        Ted
        When it comes to eritrea there is no woyane only ethiopia. You see the war brought woyane close to the people. The war brought a unified and determined ethiopia. Our unity is getting stronger and stronger.
        Regardless of who started the war , as far as ethiopians are concerned, the war is behind us by 15 years. We are fighting another more important war . The war against poverty. From what I read and hear the war is still fresh in eritreans mind . They are still licking their self inflicted wound.
        When the dust settles hopefully you will see how IA made a colossal mistake by provoking the stinging ethiopians.
        ” yeEthiopia lijoch qechachinochu yinadefalu ende nibochu.”

        • Ted

          Abinet, Here we are nursing the bee attack, you making fun of us. what else is new .Weyane got baptized as born again Ethiopian on Eritrean blood. Just pray Ethiopians ” Neqie Endayelu”.

          ” yeEthiopia lijoch qechachinochu yinadefalu ende nibochu.” The thing that make bee and its sting tragic is, the slow and agonizing death that follow. I bet it died singing ‘Ere Goraw”

          • Abinet

            Ted
            Good one .
            “Woyane got baptized as born again ethiopian on eritrean blood” That is exactly what happened. We were questioning if they are really ethiopians or if they have ethiopian agenda at all . The war proved beyond a doubt they are really ethiopians. A stinging one at that.
            The key word here is ” born again ” It was sleeping for a while. You see etyopiawinet yitegnal enji aymotm.
            Ted , eritrean neqie yalu elet anten ayargegn .

          • Kaddis

            Abinet –

            I hate terms like real Ethiopians, with an Ethiopian agenda and all those things …you sound like someone has to prove his Ethiopiannes or need your or your likes justification. Funny Dergue or Hailesilassie was never questioned whether they have an Ethiopian agenda….is Red terror or Afessa an Ethiopian agenda or dressing a morning quote to address Yenderaswech parliament Ethiopian? Was communism Ethiopian?

          • Abinet

            Hi Kaddis
            Well in those years 91-98, call it woyane, tplf, eprdf was working for eritrean agenda.
            ” Ertrea esktlema ethiopiachin tidma ” was on every ethiopian song list.
            When our people inhumanly kicked out of eritrea and sleeping in plastic shelter all over addis, the eprdf led government looked the other way . It failed even to recognize them. our leaders were sleeping with enemy.
            Kaddis, please don’t bring derg to justify eprdf. Derg is not a benchmark for governess.
            Eprdf went extra miles to please EPLF by letting it kidnap and kill its opponents in the middle of addis .
            An owner of a restaurant on Bole road was snatched from his business on a day light and disappeared . I used to frequent his restaurant. Only God knows how many people EPLF killed in the middle of addis.
            Kaddis, I just brought these examples why ethiopians questioned eprdf’s agenda in those days. That is all. I can keep on giving you more examples. It is not important. What is important is we have a government backed by the people working for the people, bringing the people together to fight poverty and backwardness.
            Long live our government.

            person

          • Ted

            Abinet, Don’t forget Ethiopians also paid 120k of its citizens for your baptism. It is high price to pay for “Holier-than-thou”. ” Etsedik beye bazlat Tenteltila qerech” the Ethiopian dilemma.

            Long Live “our(Tigray) government” is more like it.
            Abinet, do yoy know “difo dabo” your mom used to make. Ethiopians and Eritreans hate your mischievous guts, you will be baked like difo dabo,” betach esat, belay esat”

          • Abinet

            Ted
            Why do you think one has to be from Tigray to support his government . I’m sure you know that I’m not from Tigray. If you must know I’m Amhara from Gondar origin. I’ve a lot of areas that I do not agree with the current administration. Corruption, nepotism, lack of democratic governess etc. however, I say first thing first. Fight poverty. The rest we will get there .
            Speaking of difo dabo , I used to trade it with ambasha. I always preferred ambasha. I still do.

          • Ted

            Abinet, “Why do you think one has to be from Tigray to support his government.” i just found your die hard attitude towards your Weyane Gov make me believe otherwise. I am sure it is not the first time you heard it. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Just saying. Occasionally it is ok to indulge in exotic foods, but for betterment of your health just stick with your tradition difo dabo, of coarse if you are only none tigray.

          • Abinet

            Ted
            My apologies for bothering you. I didn’t know I was talking with a novice.
            I have to change ambasha with hibist. Ambasha is too exotic, too foreign.
            Ted , I have made my stand clear in almost all instances including Badime. There is nothing to add to it . You are still in 12 th century thinking only on ethnic lines . Let me say it again. I’m Amhara and I support my government. Do I have grievances? Yes. My hope is we will deal with them in due time.
            My advice for you
            Get out of your narrow ethnic well . You are in a deep hole.
            I’m done on this topic.

          • Ali

            to ted
            you are write we want to have biltug from Keren and the lowland for us but you are trying to provide us taff from seraye highlands.

          • Ted

            Ali, I like biltug than taff too. Easy on the stomach. I believe we need to be nice to you, you got biltug, gold, potash everything. May be deep down the reason we hate Weyane is because we want you just for our own. You can call it selfish but that gotta make you feel special.

          • Hope

            Abi,
            OMG!
            R U kidding me?
            R U a new born?
            It was Shabo , which saved Ethiopia from the evil intentions of the evil weyane!
            It is a historical FACT!
            Damn!
            A 5th grader can tell you!

        • Hope

          Abu,
          Get real.
          Weyane succeeded in slaughtering the Amharas and the Oromos in the name of Ethiopia.
          Shabo accepted the ceasefire in 1998 after it realized that it made a mistake and 100,000 Innocent Ethio lives could have been saved… had your crooked weyane masters accepted the cease fire equally and mutually!
          It was the weyane Parlma that tricked you and dragged you into unnecessary war… for its own hidden agenda!
          Get it real and get life Cousin!
          The financial loss it incurred upon Ethiopia in 2 yrs could have covered the GERD and we all could have enjoyed the blessing of the GERD for the last 15yrs,besides saving a 100,000 innocent lives

      • Wudmatas

        Do not make a mistake! In internal matters we may have different outlooks but when it comes to external enemies we are one and one…..one best example is Shabiyas invasion of our country in1998 G. C. If you want more read history…..woyanes fought together with shabiya against the derg because back then shabiya was Ethiopian….

        • selam

          You have developed to trust the abay Tigray theory and that is really not going to help you in the long run , i mean if you are not old.

  • Sam

    What a piece of trash, article written by a Shabia agent.

  • ppp

    if you do not know who start the war just be quit I have evedance it is not eritrea

  • Ted

    Are we out of the woods? not yet but we see the horizon clearing. The fog of lies and deceit disappearing, “God” cutting down the long tongue liars and back biters, Eritrea will shine more than ever, the truth and the Gallant people always in her side.

  • Addis Alem

    Here is the best explanation as to why this so called ” friendship and cooperation commission” lead by none other than the mighty Tamrat Layne (lol) failed … Meles woke up one morning and wondered – “what the heck am I doing taking orders from this eccentric megalomaniac in Asmara when I can be my own king reigning over a vast prosperous empire?” … and the rest is history! And there is just one sensible idea I can take seriously from your article … It would always remain absurd of Ethiopia to pay Eritrea to help sustain its own unnatural status as a landlocked nation. Ethiopia can “cooperate” like that with all the other neighbors …but there is something unnatural about “cooperating” with Eritrea like that … something approaching the complicated terrain of .. mixing love and business! The two don’t just mix well.

  • Abinet

    Your ” zibazinke” aside, the awate ‘s commenter Eyob Medhane’s point of view is shared by me and millions of ethiopians. You have no idea how eritreans made themselves hated by ethiopians due to their arrogance. I have never felted a second citizen in my own country. We used to say
    ” qen eskiyalf yeAbate barya yigzagn ” Thank you your excellency President Isayas Afewerki for igniting the war . You brought us freedom from the eritreans. Free at last!
    Eyobe, you are the best !!!!!
    Hunbet yene windim. Yimechih!!!!

    • selam

      Hi Abinet

      How about after all the hard working eritreans thrown out from their home , the car engine running in Addis abeba and taken by same weyae cronies and some losers from dergi .
      How much money do you or any relative take from the abandoned properties of the Eritreans who were living in Ethiopia for almost 60 years. We will have our time , just look and see when we have our way , you will see how nice and lovely people we are.

      • Abinet

        I know how lovely and nice people you are. We fought for 30 years to keep you . What more evidence do you want? You see we don’t let go those we love easily. Call it separation anxiety.

        • selam

          Your argument is real and always well come . I am sure we need more people like you to creat a better future for both people , with out politicians , i mean with out weyane and HGDEF.

          • Abinet

            Selam
            Thank you for the kind words . Honestly, you need people like Amanuel, Semere,Hayat and horizon for a better future of the two people. You don’t want me around a negotiating table .

          • Ted

            Abinet, not true, you need our land not the people. No one bombs civilians people they love for submission. You know the saying “If You Love Someone, Set Them Free. If They Come Back They’re Yours” Your investment is paying off at least in cyber world. All you need is some people with balls and guns from our kind to march to Asmara, if you can afford them. You know what happened to your kind in the desert of Burie..”You don’t want me around a negotiating table” that is true we need the real no BS Neftegna Gondere. Abinet, “Enquan antchinena yezinb tengara enawqalen”

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            This is tongue in cheek. You are right, not at the negotiating table. If there are openings at the Defense Department and State department, you qualify for the Defense Department but I am sorry to say not the State Department. You don’t do diplomacy, do you?. I have said it before but here it is again in a different format. Whenever, you respond in kind to the likes of Nittric etc, remember, Amanuel Hidrat and Hayet Adem are sitting on each side of him.
            Anyway I try to do it myself but not always successful.
            .
            K.H
            I read all your posts, thanks.

          • Abinet

            Selam Kim
            It is funny you don’t trust me at state department but defense? Really? Abinet at defense with access to guns? God forbid.

          • selam

            Take the kind words i do not give to any one, and i mean it. You are calm and always not judgmental.

            Hayat is twisting our history and she is blinded by weyane propaganda . I do believe you have high points and low points when it comes to weyane government. What she lack is comparison.

  • awet

    Well versed, logical and very well researched paper. Thank you Semere for a paper that reflects the truth. The war was assumed about Badme and it went further to Tsorona. Zalanbessa and Assab. Eritrea was asking at the time both countries to vacate the contested Badme and go for negotiation, which was not accepted by Weyane. Even further after the Boundary Commission gave its verdict awarding Badme to Eritrea, then case was closed. A civilized party would opt for accepting the decision and normalize the relationship. But this was not the case but added more fuel to the problem and making it rather tense by instigating war and using proxies to have Eritrea sanctioned.

    Weyane is trying to bleed Eritrea economically, socially and poletically. They created wrong image through their sale-out Eritreans to force young Eritreans desert their beloved country.