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Will President  Sahlework Zewdie Of Ethiopia Do it?

The following letter addressed to Ethiopian leaders is written by Abdulrahman Yousif, a Kuwaiti writer and a friend of Eritrea. It is translated from the original Arabic by Awate Staff.
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I do not like to write on politics but there is a compelling reason for writing this letter to President  Sahlework Zewdie the new Ethiopian President, who won the confidence of the Ethiopian Parliament and is supported by Prime Minister Abi Ahmed, whom I respect and appreciate, especially after he lately laid down his reform directives.

What I like about the president’s personality is that she is a graduate of French University, Montpellier and she speaks three languages: English, French, and Amharic. She is a child of the Foreign Ministry who has served as an ambassador to more than one country and holds honorary positions in the United Nations.

As an Arab citizen, I am proud that my Amir is a leader of humanity and today, Kuwait is the capital of humanitarian activities in the world, and my compatriots are the only forgiving people in the Arab world–we have accepted Iraq’s apology for what Saddam and his clique did to us, and we have forgiven those who stood by him in his aggression, with seriousness, impartiality, and transparency based on our interests. There is no permanent enmity, but there are interests, relations, and apologies.

The personality of the Ethiopian president is eye-catching and imposes respect for her career history and her achievements. I have followed her successes that make me hopeful to propose that she, together with Prime Minister Abi Ahmed— and both are elected—to formally apologize to the Eritrean people for the era of the Ethiopian occupation. This would be a civilized step by Ethiopia towards the state of Eritrea, which in this dark period is in a dire need for such an apology.

What reinforces my request is that the new Ethiopian orientation led by the new president,  Sahlework Zewdie, who has pledged to work to promote peace, renounce violence, and uphold the values of peace!

Also, what encourages me is that Prime Minister Abu Ahmad has moved forward to the national reconciliation between the diverse Ethiopian people and internally reorganized Ethiopia, and moved abroad to lead reconciliation with Eritrea, Sudan, Djibouti, Kenya and Egypt, in a reformist attempt, thus winning the approval of his people and the neighboring peoples in the Horn of Africa.

A Blink of Light

apologies between countries is a legitimate issue and there are documented precedents in international forums. Apologies are policies of strong and effective entities that openly recognize their guilt and apologize for the transgressions of their countries

  • We all recall the German Chancellor Willy Brandt, who visited Poland and knelt down in front of the 1943 Warsaw uprising victims’ memorial. He considered it a practical apology, without uttering the words, as what many people do.
  • In 2016 President Obama apologized to the Japanese people for the Hiroshima nuclear incident.
  • Iraqi governments apologized to the people of Kuwait for the brutal occupation by Saddam.
  • Germany apologized for the Hitler era aggressions.
  • The Australian Prime Minister’s apologized to the indigenous people of Australia for the damage done to them, and thus he won the support of the two main parties in parliament.
  • Japan apologized to Korean women who were used as prostitutes throughout the war between the two countries.

Last words

Today Ethiopia is presenting itself as a civilized country led by a woman and other women occupy half the number of ministerial positions and an apology for the historic mistake would assure Ethiopia a secure place in history.

Conclusion

History is ruthless, and its pages are full of painful images of the Ethiopian occupation of Eritrea.

Writers and reviewers of history know that Eritrea was wronged when it was federated with Ethiopia from 1952 to 1958, and when in 1962 when Ethiopia declared the annexation of Eritrea. The Eritrean people resisted and rejected that union, which was forcibly imposed occupation by the use of tanks and guns. It was an unacceptable occupation, though Ethiopia had a slogan for it: “we will not let it part”, and the Eritrean people continued to curse both Haile Selassie and Mengistu Hailemariam.

Thereafter, Eritreans expressed their rejection of the aggression as evidenced by the rebellion of Awate in the 1960s  when  he led the armed struggle where processions of hundreds of thousands of martyrs fell for the restoration of Eritrean rights and liberation–there are thousands of promising young Eritrean generations who do not know what happened in the last century to Eritrea and its people who valiantly defeated the occupation.

An advice

Ethiopia should complete all its reformist steps by apologizing to Eritrea and its people for the period of occupation, a file that is full of pain, aggression, and its victims. The apology should open the doors of hope for the return of relations on a new and correct basis that embody peace. So, will her Excellency President  Sahlework Zewdie do that? And will the dynamo prime minister, push through his reform process with a historic apology?

As an Arab from Kuwait, I wish to see such a reconciliation, apology and understanding, especially since apology is a sign of strength.

Today, the peaceful people of Eritrea deserve an apology and can’t afford to do anything but only awaits to enjoy a promising life and witness the prospect of a promising future, God willing.

A true friend of the Eritrean cause

Youssef Abdul Rahman

 

* The author Mr. Abdulrahman Yousif is a well-known Kuwaiti writer and a loyal friend of Eritrea since the era of the armed struggle. Mr. Abdulrahman has written many articles about Eritrea and his works have greatly helped many people be aware of the Eritrean plight. He still is a loyal friend of the Eritreans people.

* Recently Her Excellency Ms. Sahlework Zewdie was elected by the Ethiopian parliament to become the president of the country. She is the first female to occupy such a high position in the history of Ethiopia. A career diplomat, last June U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres had appointed her as a special representative to the African Union and head of the U.N. Office at the African Union, replacing Ambassador Haile Menkarios of Eritrea. Previously, Ms. Sahlework served as the director-general of the UN office in Nairobi. She has also served as her country’s ambassador to France and Djibouti.

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  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Dear Hope,
    Thanks for the heads-up, I thought he was ‘ፍንዳታ ‘, I know EPLF but not pfdj.
    Anyhow, I got UNVERIFIED news.
    Have you heard of the Brown Water Navy? see if you can connect the dot with Tana.
    Cheers,
    Reclaim

  • Haile S.

    Selamat Alex,
    The point is not whether one single industry was closed during Derg or EPLF. It is that EPLF did not advance the drive and wish of the eritrean people. Between 1991 and and 1998 (date after which came, the flourishing time of the bad wishers like Meles and his cohortes against Eritreans), IA did not reflect & demonstrate the aspirations of the diverse population of Eritrea. We can in fact equate him him to the bad wisher aformentionred. I know for a fact that እንዳ ድስቲ was in taters of closing even during Hailes Selassie period and እንዳ ኖራ ኖራ was completely closed and disfunctional during all the Derg time (simply it couldn’t get the raw material from around Dekemhare) and was not maintained afterwards. I have been to Eritrea end of 2000dths and haven’t seen it functioning. Just simply, lets say because EPLF/PFDJ are incapable of running a countey, let alone drive a competitive market.?, they (EPLF) were/are still stuck on their Ghedli type administration. Let me summarize it saying, the TPLF was capable of bringing together a whole Ethiopia by pointing an enemy in the name of Eritrean people, against their kins if you will, while EPLF wad incapable of re-uniting the country of Eritrea among itself and looking forward to its future, because of the ambiguity it still entertains, saying TPLF are our friends, at one time showing them the naked parts of the country, and still commit the same mistake without learning lessons, continue showing other Ethiopian ethnic groups same confidence as the one that put the country in dire situation a decade or more ago. Eritrea is Eritrea when it respects its divesity, its raison d’etre. ERITREA IS ERITREA BECAUSE OF ITS DIVERSITY. Linking the highlands Eritreans to Tigray or Amhara first before binding to each other among Eritreans will always be detrimental to our existence as a people. I know, I went off the subject, but it is because even discusing about ድስቲ, ኖራ & ሽሓኒ, at the end, comes up to our existence.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Ermias,

    I am hearing the same on the link provided. Because others are hearing differently doesn’t mean I am hearing the same. I can’t go for an apology until I hear it like them. I don’t go by what others senses, I go by what my hearing organ sensed them.

    • Selam Amanuel H.

      Personally, i see no reason why one has to apologize. Nevertheless, your statement “I can’t go for an apology until I hear it like them, ……. I go by what my hearing organs have sensed them.” looks odd to me.

      Please, understand that what i am saying below is not about you personally, just about the whole idea.

      What would one say about people who have impaired hearing or sight, or something escapes them as happens so often in our daily life? They resort to the help of somebody around, use hearing aid, spectacles or sign language, etc, because they do not hear and see as all others, and moreover our hearing and sight may play tricks on us sometimes.

      When we are not at the spot and when we read so many comments in this forum, we accept most of them as told. Now, if everybody says that they disqualify everything they do not hear and see in a similar way with others, how would they get along, how would society get along? Everybody else cannot be wrong.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Blink,

    Who are you after all to give and to not give forgiveness to Eritreans? You are a worthless coward, a run away brat, hiding behind pen name, and will in no way could be in a position to do that. ሚስኪን ቦትኡ ዘይፈልጥ kid.

    • Blink

      Dear Mr.Amanuel
      I said i will not forgive you not to all Eritreans, you see the difference. By the way at my time I replied a National call and finish my call , you on the other hand dressed as a weyane cadre to show your coward ness to the Eritrean people and especially to all the fallen heroes of your colleagues by siding with weyane leadership. Again did you see the difference?

  • Saleh Johar

    Hope,
    I would have replied to your comment in good faith if I didn’t know how you operate you are not interested in anything but make a normal conversation into a beliigrant exchange. I pass.

  • AMAN

    Shalom
    The truth is that whether we like it or not every
    change whether natural or social is dialectical and has pattern and principle to show a positive
    outcome. The more a transformation is radical
    or revolutionary in nature, then the more uncertain the outcome is.
    Based on this idea, I tried to follow principle and
    keep the dialectical Dynamics thru until a pattern
    emerges on the horizon.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Hasot,

    Yes, I am a well grounded and principled against the crimes of EPLF/ TPLF against ELF. More so against EPLF on that specific occasion for asking a ride from TPLF to kill their brothers and sisters. The worst scar in our history to be allied with foreign forces to kill their own people. Not only that shameful crime, they evacuated the Eritrean inhabitants from Badme to award for TPLF. Think for a moment about the irony: ELFites who were defending Badme as part of our sovereignty and who were kick out by the joint force of TPLF/EPLF are being accused as wayane. Mind boggling. Not that far, we will see again scratching their backs each other. TPLF will be requested for another ride, for the other forces in Ethiopia are not reliable for the project of Issayas. ዕድመ ጥራይ ይሃብ:: by the way I dislike your b/c I dislike lies.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Amanuel Hidrat,

      “Think for a moment about the irony: ELFites who were defending Badme as part of our sovereignty and who were kick out by the joint force of TPLF/EPLF are being accused as wayane”

      This what makes me wonder. what if those like Fish Milk and few of participants label us Weyane see the pas !!!, If only see us back on those years,,Past is past and gone forever not to come,back, but that is our history our we should tell them now..it is really important now..

      KS,,

  • Blink

    Dear Girmay
    Which one is false ? Tell me I only stated she has Eritrean flag on her neck and I never said she brought herself to the stage , what is drama ? You know you need a script to make a drama and the script most of the time is either to educate society from bad practices ( like bulldozing priests from demanding virgin girls , for trashing sheikhs for demanding beheading ) you see Girmay pls state the fail once so that I can try to educate by reading your comments.

    You wanted to debate about weyane leaders bad teeth be my guest , you wanted to debate about their ethnic based politics be my guest , you wanted to debate how Meles deported 90,000 Eritreans through fronts mind by different bombs be my guest , I can bring horrible things done by weyane but it will not matter as your consciousness is so so weird to adapt weyane games .

    Remember I have no hate towards ordinary Tigrians or any one who speak Tigrinya , I simply look at you tell you what exactly is on your face . Don’t hate me because I told you the truth.

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Dear All,

    To all those people who stir-up the country to instigating an archaic war of

    Christian vs Christian,

    Amhara vs Tigray,

    Tigray vs Federal Government of Ethiopia,

    Oromo Muslim vs Oromo Muslim,

    TPLF vs EPRDF, etc, etc… Well, you know what kind of people I am referring to!

    These people are not considering the consequences to the country and its people.

    These people are the kind of people who wish to get ahead, by ignoring the wellbeing of others.

    These people are abandoning human rights; and being insensitive to the needs of the others;

    These people are nothing but greedy and scumbag.

    I do feel the unfair treatment of Tigray people.

    I also feel for all those good people that served in TPLF.

    It also important to remember there are a number of respectable mothers, fathers and grandparents that are respected members of a society, fellow citizens and belongs to the TPLF group, Derg, EPRDF, PFDJ, OPDO, etc etc.

    I think we need to move on from attacking individuals just because of their association, their ethnicity, or religion.

    It’s also important to ask for some people to respect Hayat, I have a great admiration to her talent and I have no doubt you all do, however, mocking up, demonising and the use of rude words need to be constrained and it is not a decent way of debating your points.

    Cheers,
    Reclaim.

    • FishMilk

      Hi Reclaim Abyssinia. Yeah maybe they should have also given Ted Bundy a second chance. I mean maybe he wasn’t really as bad as they say he was. So soon you want to pardon the TPLF of their heinous crimes? Nah….I don’t think so. Of course, that is not to say that ALL in the TPLF were bad and I certainly have no hard feelings against the Tigray people in general. You say you have great admiration for Hayat’s talent? Can you please be a bit more specific?

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Hi Fish,

        who the hell is the “Ted B..”, why is he even here in the discussion board, well from quick google, i know who he is now. I guess you might be one of those people who left Eritrea at a young age

        I came to this site to discuss new issues, I found Hayat to be informative, articulative and talented. I got hooked to this site because of her impressive posts. I said it before and I will say it again, her post was jaw-dropping for me, as I was away from politics for many years. So please don’t push her away, take your personal feeling out of it. Happy to read everybody point of view, but I’m way too mature to be influenced by anybody. I hope this answer your question.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Reclaim Abyssinia. Thank you for your maturity, neutrality and good character judgement. To refresh your memory of the very first comment that you made on this website three months ago : ‘Hayat, are you affiliated with any political party? If yes, I’m hoping that you will tell us .., if you are not, would you start one in the horn of Africa anytime soon ቀርኒ አፍርካ?

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi FishMilk,
            Thank you, for the great compliments. I love to take the “Hayat II” comment as a compliment too. I have no doubt that I am Hayat’s brother or Sister, as I am yours. But feel free to see me as the traditional owner of the southern Red Sea, that willing to restore and bring back the time of the Adulis-Massawa glory, lift up the people spirit.
            Cheers,
            Reclaim

    • Paulos

      Selam Reclaim,

      You will certainly have a great day for you have started the day thinking about the Sun that is coming out not the Sun that is setting on to the horizon.

      Research has shown that, people who are filled with hate not only are miserable but live a short life as well. As you may know, Epigenetics is one of the hottest areas in the Sciences where surprising findings are showing the impact of our beliefs and mode of thinking on our genes. Hopefully, will write more about it this coming weekend.

      There is no perfect society. Ethiopia certainly is far from it. And it is equally true that there are good and bad people in every society. One of the reasons, we were told to attend school was not to regurgitate a heap of information but to train our minds on how to think critically but unfortunately, some people in this Forum are vilifying an entire Front and at times ethnic group with disgusting and racist label. What I have learned is however, not to take them serious but feel sorry for them. In every measure, Tigrai is doing extremely well but again, miserable people are condemned to see the Sun-set instead of the Sun-rise.

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Salamat Paulos,
        I have no knowledge about Genome, DNA & area of science but I have a bit of association with a scientist in the area of plant & fish Genome, I have seen some of the Illumina sequencing machines that cost 1 million dollars, around work. A few weeks ago I met Eritrean PhD’s, who gave me an impressive insight into the Mangrove project around the Red Sea. I am looking forward to hearing more about your Epigenetics writeup.
        Cheers,
        Reclaim

  • Selam All,

    The following are some of the main fallacies tplf supporters suffer from:

    -PM Abiy is never qualified to do anything good or important, even if the positive measures he has taken up to now are appreciated even by foreign leaders, let alone ethiopians. Whoever finds him/herself by the side of the ethiopian pm including women in the cabinet and the ethiopian president are not spared. They are characterized as nothing more than PMAA’s PR tools. Any lie can serve their purpose.

    -Ethiopia can never be peaceful or stable unless she finds herself again under the dictatorial iron grip of tplf. This idea is shared even by foreign pro-tplf journalists. They say that tigray is the only peaceful and stable part of ethiopia, but they will never tell you that it is due to the fact that tigrayans are fearful and intimidated by the dictatorial practices of tplf.

    -Some people choose to be blind to what tplf did to the social and political life of ethiopians. They blindly worship tplf and call other ethiopians ungrateful, as if prisons were not full to the brim, ethiopian prisons did not speak afan oromo, journalist and activists were not forced to flee the country, innocent people were not murdered in broad daylight by the infamous agazi forces and others made to disappear, tplf kleptocrats did not enrich themselves, etc. They try to pontificate tplf that it has brought development as if it is without a cost to the ethiopian tax payer and as if the standard of living of the masses has improved and as if tplf officials have not enriched themselves as its side product.

    When tplf said that it fought the amhara hegemonic rule, nothing was far from the truth. It was to replace it with tplf hegemony. It was not meant to do away with injustice, but to replace it with another injustice, this time under another ethnic group (tplf injustice). It was not meant to bring democracy, peace and harmony, but discord and dictatorial rule. When they came victorious in 1991, they thought that it was final, to be followed by centuries of tplf rule.

    For all these, tplf supporters expect ethiopians to be grateful to tplf, their tormentors. They have lost their sleep because of the hate they have for the ethiopian pm, and they have closed their eyes and ears and shut down their brain to hear, see and understand anything good in ethiopia anymore after tplf rule. They are unrepentant and obsessed. They are ready to sacrifice ethiopia for the sake of tplf, as some of them (closet tplf) were ready to sacrifice eritrea in the past by calling for an ethiopian invasion.

    • Blink

      Dear Horizon
      It is not a secret I hate weyane and it is not secret that I can’t be fair to wards them but too see the weyane cadre trying to make 100 million Ethiopians as fools , belittling PM Abiy for releasing thousands of youth from prison set up by weyane , for solving many problems with out killings , mending all Ethiopians society by one vision of Ethiopia opposit to weyane dividing policy .

      What else do they want him to do ? I mean for solving the Eri-ethio stand up made by weyane for 20 years and make them meet their Eritreans “ brothers “ , what do they really wanted from him ?
      Why are they twisting his words ? What is their final plan ? Many questions for you and for others because i can’t really understand their game .

      Leaders like Abiy come and go may be after 100 years or may be not but to trash the only nice guy loved by not only by Ethiopians but by Eritreans and Somalians , I mean since when do we have such humble leader in the region ?

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Hayat Adem and Co., wow, wow, I’m really shocked, but I’ve now clearly heard what Abiy said to DIA, and I will quote, btw, it is not the word that you think he said. But you can clearly hear what he said in another video from Fana tv. Abiy said to DIA:
    “…border is Gonder after a while”
    I think he said this in connection with the ongoing conflict between the Amara and Tigray killils regarding ownership over Wolqayit, and other disputed areas that are currently under the Tigray Killil. The plan is to take Wolqait within Amara Killil, cutting the western part of current Tigray Killil, and thereby getting a direct land access between Eritrea and Amara region. I think, it is part of a grand plan to encircle the Tigray Killil. You can listen and judge for yourselves, from the 6:23 mark;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esw45lmDP4U

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear friends,
      I have misheard the phrase from PMAA. I should have taken time and done better in judging it considerately before jumping guns. My apology to the PM and all readers at awate for mistaking his utterances for what they were not. Although my misgivings of the PM and IA still hold, it is not my intention to criticize them for what they didn’t say or do. What they really do and say to put the region and its peoples to put in harm’s way are plenty. I have to also thank all those who rushed to correct me.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Hayat,
        Well done. Erring in judgement is not inevitable, and admitting a mistake is virtue while defending an error knowingly is folly. I was surprised you had misheard the comment at issue despite your sharp and critical mind.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hayat,
        That is called character. Thank you for being brave.

        • Blink

          Dear SG
          That is called character, wink wink what time is it ? I mean come on .
          Did she has different character at different hours of the day ?
          Hayat said “ the bomb in addis was the work of PFDJ or OLF , then long time ago she created Eritrean villages to get cosy with Sahey Tsehaye ..draw Eritrean war plan on her mind and landed the plane in Tigria air port …, many many things but what surprises me is the way character is judged when ever favorite game come to play .

          You are a graceful person, I know that through your work but this kind of gift , I mean character is a life time thing unless there is a clon too a dead one and raised with new character.

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            Honestly, I am not interested in monotone. I will join when you start focusing on the monster 🙂

  • Selam All,

    There will be no stone they will not turn, there will be no conspiracy theory they will not bring, and there will be no word they will not use for the character assasination of the ethiopian pm. This time the aim is to bring amharas and oromos at each other’s throat. They know that it is the unity of AMP and ODP and the rapprochement of the oromo and amhara people, despite tplf’s divisive policy, that deposed tplf dictatorship and change came to ethiopia, i.e. prisons opened, kleptocracy controlled, peace deal with eritrea is reached, the borders opened, the culprits are being herded to prison as they herded innocent ethiopians in their tens of thousands for long-term imprisonment using their infamous anti-terrorism law, or they are fleeing the country, etc. They believe that it will be the disunity of these two (amharas and oromos) that will bring chaos in ethiopia, and as one of the pro-tplf journalists, rene lefort says, tplf riding on the back of olf will bring back tplf hegemony to ethiopia, and its iron fist will crush any upheaval in the country and thus bring stability, as tigray under tplf dictatorship is the only stable part of ethiopia.

    Do they think that ethiopians and eritreans are naive and not in the position to understand their conspiracy? They are insulting the intelligence of everyone.

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    If I pick selectively on weakness of the regime, why don’t you list the sterength of the regime that has done something good.

    Please stop repeating the rediclous black mailing and regionalism. How can you possibly be a victim?

    First of all, the was no favouritism as far as passing the grade 12 exam that one must score to get in to university. May be there was occasional lucky person who copies from some smart students but for the most, I would even say, 99% they pass because they had the knowledge.

    Now the next question is with regards to the lecturers / teachers who were there? If someone is wronged because of some regionalism, don’t claim to know or argue it’s imposible but far from truth.

    I don’t know believe the University had so much supply of teachers that it has to select from certain group of people over others. There were so few who have a chance to go abroad to study masters / PhD and hardly any of them return.

    If you have to judge the quality of the teachers of that time, you only have to look the quality of students they produced, and compare to those from PFDJ times.

    Please tell the truth once in a while and stop being apologist for the regime for everything.

    FYI, I am not from the region of those being wronged.

    Berhe

  • Abraham H.

    Dear Awatistas, I think one of the weirdest relationships today in the world is that between DIA and Abiy. DIA keeps bashing at the Weyanes/TPLF who are still members of the EPRDF and hence the Ethiopian government, while PM Abiy continues unabated in his endorsement of DIA. I think this is really not normal; at the end of the day, Abiy has to choose between his government partners, the Weyanes or the Eritrean dictator, or he has to confront the Eritrean dictator regarding his endless rants. Also, I’ve difficulty in understanding Abiy’s double standards when it comes to all the noble concepts that he keeps preaching to the Ethiopian people, while at the same time massaging the insatiable ego of the Eritrean dictator who stands in stark contrast to all those noble ideas.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Abraham.
      Assume there were tow Eritrean fronts called Elf and Eplf fought one another and all of a sadden another Ethiopian front by the name tplf helped Eplf and Elf lost the war. Assume Eplf and Tplf fought Ethiopia and won the war and Eplf took power in Eritrea and Tplf took power in Ethiopia. Assume tplf fought Eritrea with the help of Ethiopia and Tplf won. If the above is not assumption it could have been the weirdest thing in the world. Thanks to gods it was just a serious of assumptions.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hayat,
    Can you tell it was edited out or not? It’s not there.

  • Blink

    Dear readers
    I just listened to Getachew Reda the ugly eye and stupidest of all TPLF bad teeth guys , he tried to go on asking Helen Meles to sing good songs out side politics and what Helen did was just shocking even to these who invited her , with Eritrean flag at here neck bulldozing people like Getachew reda with her ኣድሃ song . It was a slap on their face , the meaning of the song is all about may 24 and the way she kick weyane ugly face was beyond guess .

    Can anyone post the list of retired weyane generals and the people going to prison from Metec security as well Chequers ? Waiting to see the list

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      I heard the list will be released tomorrow(Monday).
      160 from the military got fired and there r about 50 people from matic got arrested but am not sure all of them r from wayena, i think there r some kim h and horizon kind of guys too.

      • Blink

        Dear Teodrose
        I think so too but I am only interested to see if my expected names come out , just if you have information, why are Eritrean soldiers in Zalambesa ?

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          I have no idea why r eritrean soldiers in zalambesa, i don’t even know they r in zalambesa.
          Whose name u expected to come out?

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            The lists are just weyane killers and but since Hayat is having a bad day I will not name names because what happens if they did not get the civilian card. But by the grace of Abiy I am waiting, what a great guy.
            Opposite to what below you know the weyane guys are saying, most Ethiopians believe Abiy is a capable guy captaining Ethiopians to save seas unlike the weyane crooks and thieves. I shall wait for the list to come.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Folks,
    What is other-worldly of all this? Everything! Have a look at the link in 3, for example, snd reflect o. ehat you can make of Isayas and Abiy.
    1) Tigray and Tigryans are embracing their brothers and sisters from Eritrea; Eritrean leader goes in all teeth to visit Gonder at a time the Tigriyans are so angry for being mistreated and targeted by their own brothers in that part of Ethiopia
    2) The Gonderes are abusing, wronging and kicking their Tigrayan and Kimant brothers as they warmly welcome Abiy and Isayas, the latter who has been harming Ethiopians and Eritreans ever since he assumed power. Apology from decent Gondares to their wronged brothers and sisters, and bringing the culprits to justice would help healing social ills a bit instead of escalating the rhetorics and insultings on their own country-people who lived with them for many years.
    3) Isayas and Abiy, being persons of true indecency, are vulgarly insulting the Gondares right on the spot and in the open just as they are being welcomed by the people of the town. Listen to the utterances on the video link at 1 minute mark: https://youtu.be/wNxNk_8wEyo one of them saying “Gondar TerewaEee” and the other one laughing on hearing that. Excuse the verbatim phrase… but are these grown ups let alone leaders… they can’t even be restrained infront of the cameras and their welcoming hosts.
    4) Apologies are needed for such times. Both leaders need to apologize their hosts. But even apologizing requires some level of decency which the two of them are incapable of having the basic of it. newramat!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      I can’t believe (PMAA) the leader of a Ethiopia uttering a vulgar street word that is hard to me to repeat it in this forum. From the get go, my guts told me that he is a bogus leader who hasn’t any decency, let alone to know the intricate nature of politics. The guy hasn’t the capacity and the tools appropriate to bring peace and stability to his nation. Ethiopia is clearly at crossroads where the way out is hard to imagine. Wow! Wow! Imagine if the Gonder people knew what he said to them.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Hayat and Amanuel,
        That is so out of character for a person who picks his words carefully. The mic probably picked half a phrase/word. It could be “… Gonder after a while …”

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abrehet,

          This guy is neither a decent religious man nor a decent leader of a given society. In a peaceful country guided and ruled by rule of law, his words makes him impeachable of crime of racism. That is why he became a partner of our rude despot.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Amanuel.
            I love when you say loud and clear that you are woyane. There is no other way of understanding your assertion. One thing you have to accept is that woyanes can not kill like they used to outside of their Killil and soon they will be stopped even killing in their killil. Prepare for another disappointment.

            PS woyanes use social media to terroize Etio-Eritreans by releasing fake news about the wonderful ethio-eri peace running in addis. I know how you people are reduced from killing and kicking millions in Meskel square to a bunch of social media terrorists.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MM,

            I can’t buy your post above at all,,You let me go back long like 40 years during when first I saw him in ELF.. Aman is a man of principle..Just for your information. I am first hand witness,,

            KS,,

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Khokob Selam,

            You are right, Amanuel Hidrat has established personal character and justice and fairness advocacy credential no mediocre can doubt or dispute. He has already proven his competence in hot military arenas and in word and writing at intellectual foras and in print pages. There are scores of persons who visit this forum who can testify who this brother is. My only advice to him is to stop engaging with small political and characters who thrive in wasted time of worthy contributors. Hope he would listen.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Thank you for your vote of confidence on me. It is time to heed your advice to stop not to exchange with these worthless trollers, and nameless cowards. Thank you again brother.

          • Hope

            Ahlen Bikka Ya Ustzna Ismael AA:

            With all due respect,Ustazna Wo Saydna Ismaelo,I was expecting you to comment in a neutral and balanced way.

            But you chose to comment in a Classic Hekhekheni Kihakeka Solidarity message style .

            NOT only that there is NOTHING wrong with what Fish has been saying and arguing but a bitter truth and factual analysis from reality and practical point of view.

            To judge the entire Gallant EPLF organization based on the mess created by an Individual is but unfair and uncalled for.

            I tried to state facts to about the ELF corrupted Leadership but you guys went banana and ballistic on me.

            For God’s sake,with all due respect, why are we back to square one though and live in the past rather than learning from the the past and talk and debate constructively about today and tomorrow??

            Here is what your “fire-tested like gold” Colleague said:”
            “This guy is neither a decent religious man nor a decent leader of a given society. In a peaceful country guided and ruled by rule of law, his words makes him impeachable of crime of contempt and misogyny. That is why he became a partner of our rude despot. No need of defense for whatsoever. It is clear like crystal”,
            Courtesy of Amanuel Hidrat on Dr AAA’s alleged vulgar language brought up by none but “Queen”Hayat,aka the Queen of lies,hypocrisy and deception.

            Sir,where is your Colleague’s respect,decency and integrity for insulting the ELECTED PM,who has DONE the BEST job EVER for Ethiopia in particular and for the Horn in general as testified and confirmed by the entire world.

            Worse,then you joined him by saying:

            “There are scores of persons who visit this forum who can testify who this brother is. My only advice to him is to stop engaging with small political characters who thrive in wasted time of worthy contributors. Hope he would listen.”

            Doesn’t this person has a right to engage in any way he wants to or he believes in?
            You also declared confidently as if that person in question contributed nothing:

            ” He(Amanuel Hidrat) has already proven his competence in hot military arenas and in word and writing at intellectual foras and in print pages”.
            Are you sure that,that person didn’t do equally or even more than Vet Amanuel Hidrat?

            What do you think Ustaz Ismael?

            Why should we focus on nicks and personas rather than on people’s ideas?

            I hope you both, including Kokheb Selam,would listen too.

            Just my naive opinion and constructive feedback.
            Cheers
            With respect,

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hope,
            Seen.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Abrehet,
          I agree with you. One needs forensic voice analysis confirmation before definitely saying the alleged word was said. The flow of the actions and activities, the tone of the talk does not seem to be in favour of use of such lumpen words.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hayat, Abrehet, AH and Haile,

            It’s really hard to make what he said and if it’s alleged word, it’s not something that’s thrown around as a filler. I don’t know for those who don’t speak Tigrinya but at that level, among elders and others no body use that kind of language. It’s not like the English language equivalent that anyone can put it anywhere.

            Beside that, I don’t believe PMAA goes that law to insult his hosts.
            Let’s find some real issue to criticize them, like the no detail deal they are cooking.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            I concur!
            Some people are making a meal out of nothing. Many politicians are known for making gaffes in pubic. George W Bush was known not only for misunderestimating the English language, but also for vulgar language.
            When we learn a new foreign language, we tend to pick up the bad words first, and we repeat these foreign words with out context. Many Eritreans who grew up during the Italian period say words without understanding their true meanings. For instance, some Eritreans use the phrase ‘porca miseria’ (Dare to translate it) as injection or to express a surprise.

            Having said that, the PM needs urgent help; he is learning from the worst offender of the Tigrigna language: IA. PM was so desperate to impress IA, and in the process, he lost in translation.

            By all means, scrutinise the unholy politics, but trying to reach a conclusion on PAAM’s premiership is slightly out of test.

          • haileTG

            Hey moxi and all,

            The phrase was “after a while” with a typical rolling R sound in habesha accent. He said something like “(inaudible) Gonder after a while…” you can repeat “(af)ter a while” several times to get thetongue twister effect.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest HTG,
            No, I don’t think the PM has said it after practicing it for a twister effect. I am good with sounds.
            I don’t blame you if you are in disbelief because it is not meant to happen; but it did happen. It embarasses every ear that catches it.

          • haileTG

            Hi Hayat,

            I was fairly clear with that the first time I heard it and the vulgar idea didn’t even cross my mind. Some one once said “my mind is like a rough neighborhood that I hate to go there alone” 🙂

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat a
            It is the usual game, make it look like controversy and some one idio like aman h will buy it, that is tplf game and this kind of game is all over ethiopia social media. Nothing new here.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei, Hayat.
            Imagine what Debretsion has been going through if one foot soldier went all this trouble to tarnish the PM who put the fascist tplf back to where ever they come from.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Abrehet.
          The woyanes are terrified and could do anything to avoid their nightmare.

        • Senay Zer

          Dear Abrehet, Is the T– word in tigrinya the same/used in amharic too? Thank you!

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Abrehet,
          I was in disbelief myself and I repeatedly examined it. One can ask Saay (expert of soubds and bidy language) for help on this though it is clearly obvious from my judgement.
          No, the mic picked what was exactly given to it. That word clearly fell out of the mouth of the leader. Hear it with the word before it and the vulgar word can’t to be a prefix to any other word.
          The PM said it probably thinking the camera were too far to pick voices; and the Gondare ears were too preoccupied to pick the Tigrigna word. What it tells is the quality and the character of the conversations between the two leaders in private.

          • Mez

            Dear Hayat A,

            I super slowed the 55 to 65 second mark of the video, and voice; and studied in about 9 groups/batches of different speed records. As Abrehet indicated, it sounds more to be an English phrase-construct than any thing else. Their body language indicates also nothing unique towards your likely proposition.

            Knowing that you are not a big fan of pmaaa from get-to-go, I would assume your understanding of the above marked sound track is way above your error margine.

            If you just want to add a little salt of logic, just compare your posting about about the happenings in Gonder in the recent past, with your “sweet heart” intent of advocating againest “the vulgar pm of Ethiopia” towards the Gonder People.

            Hayat, I would assume you know better.

            Thanks

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Hayat Haftey
            I totaly disagree with you on this one. For a guy who watched how he conducted himself even when he was a young soldier with the conviction that he would become a very important person, such vulgar word in public is highly unlikely. It is also unecessary. Isayas is not ai hate Amara mood. More over, Abiy is trying to appease Gonderes and calm everyone. In one of his fake translation jokes he states that both Presidents Abdela and Isayas said that if they had visited Gonder in their younger days they would have gotten married to a Gonderie. Meaning the same as he did. We can have many things to criticize the PM. This isnt one.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Hayat.
            You thought Abiy ethics is like the lawless woyane leaders. Think again.

      • Blink

        Dear Mr,Amanuel

        What you see in Ethiopia is the legacy of Meles which was all about ethnic politics and the toxic of it . Don’t try to blame Abiy who is saving millions of people from weyane set up bombs .

        The killing in Ethiopia was all the work of weyane spearheaded by Meles that you die to protect . Be honest with yourselves because we will not matter if you can’t be honest with yourself. Meles the evil man is being sentenced to his life in fire . The evil man set up Ethiopians to kill each other so that his weyane greedy ugly teeth can rope them . Do not try to care now . When the Oromo and Amharas were dying , you and hayat were silent or protecting weyane . Now you try to accuse the loving guy on leadership.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Hayat.
      You can cry your eyes out but 27 Tigrai People Liberation Front dictatorships and ethnic cleansing remains unpunished. It is sad any Ethiopian civilians caught in this ugly tplf 27 years poisoning but in case you think all Ethiopians are equal thousands and thousands have been killed by minority tplf to control and enslave 100 million people. I know it is shocking for you how tigrinas could be killed like the rest of Ethiopians. It is not your believe that Tigrians are better race in Ethiopia that have saved them from the ethnic poison policy of woyane. It was woyanes’ control of the military, security and the economy made sure that who ever touched any tigray person the consequence was sever. A good deel of Tigrians have been sent to different Ethiopian regions to spread ethnic based hates and espionage. In case you did not know only the northern military is under the woyane control. And that is not a threat as long as you see PIA is not cheered Isu in Mekele while Debretsion driving him around. .

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Mitikuyeeee,
        Please get over yourself mate!
        You sound like you are on the payrole.
        Cheers,
        Reclaim

    • Saleh Johar

      Hayat,
      I got it,
      I think he said, “..Gondar after a while,” which he said it without spaces as in “afterawhile’. I believe it is “Gondar afTERWHIle” which sounds like the vulgar word.

  • said

    Greeting,
    Explaining the Blind Submissiveness of the Laity of Eritrea
    In one’s relentless, often futile, attempts to find or give an explanation to the inordinate, the incredulous state of submissiveness of the populations of the Eritrean people
    We mortals are prejudiced to our beliefs and values by the coincidence of circumstance; fact destiny of birth, time and despondent local mores; cravings to satiate our innate insecurities as projected by the inherent limitations of our cognitive maturities and abilities to assuage our ever-nagging sense of alienation in a world fraught with unfathomable mysteries as to origins and ultimate destinies. So, goes our needing mortals to cling to assured values and beliefs, the tangibles easing our estranging bewilderments seeking clues to immortality; explanations to the genesis of existence and the ultimate destinies in our short journey on this planet earth, our ephemeral existence in an unfathomable, ever-expanding wide universe.
    We mortals, thus, settle to double-pronged narratives readily handed down to us by ancestry requiring ridged conformity and undeviating complacency. we generally complacent and procrastinating mortal lots deficient in the endowment of inquisitive thinking.
    the issue in mind the boarder war. To start with No one need to remind us of what catastrophe war boarder means with extreme severity and cruelty and what it means to combatants and civilians alike to Eritrean spicily more so and Ethiopian It is a truism that we cannot learn the lessons of history unless we know what actually happened. Most of the fact is well known. Everything is self-explanatory, and these are truisms. Giving the situation Ethiopian population and huge army and powerful fire arm of Ethiopian soldiers who claim to belong to a great country that is proud of its past civilization! What Ethiopian wanted, Africa great and powerful nation, which was again for second plundered a small nation, was nothing other than to destroy Eritrean at its infancy , and had Ethiopian sworn enemy lead PM Melase to do it growly, step by step and systematically, with fire and overpower , with destruction and burning down of small Towns and Villages, and no less than with the extermination and massacre of Eritrean.
    How on earth do Ethiopian think that war of boarder wss a necessary evil, when ELPF and TPLF know the reality is that wars are implemented for the special interests of those in power IA and PM Malase and never for common sense or valid purpose? The Boarder on both sides was fueled by mass-propaganda, lies and twisted reasoning. The Boarder War is proof that those who are decision makers IA in his cohort and Malase and his war monger were in insane human beings.
    Young minds are obviously easy to deceive. No young Eritrean or Ethiopian man or woman who thinks they are strong has a any chance against bullets, bombs. All young people who think they duty and high purpose serve some kind special patriotic purpose are so programmed and indoctrinated and forced to combat, sadly that they have no idea and clue of what real life on earth is all about.
    we know PM Malase died at early age and this being fact of life, IA in his last leg understands that his life is terminal and soon or perish due to old age or by whatever means? IA and his old men partner in war and crime and who wield power over Eritrean population. IA and his minion are very cruel literally insane human being , who have no conscience , no respect and value for life and are incapable of reasonable and sound minds and compassion heart . Eritrea youth for very long time are merely pawns in the game of life for PFDJ.
    With short period PFDJ top brass they will die sooner or later? Death is a reality but dying with Legacy ,honor and true service to human being this short life span is what will remain.
    Wrong and false patriotism is a man-made system and is not based upon loving human being the others as brothers and sisters, Eritrean and Ethiopian boarder war was based upon a selfish two men-made arbitrary system that is destroying lives and property.
    Let Ethiopian Speak for themselves condemn the war. As Eritrean We should condemn IA and his top EPLF war mongers and blind officials and incompetent generals who created this horrendous blood bath after independence and crime before. The boarder war with Eritrean neighbouring countries stupidest, most tragic and catastrophic of all recent modern wars. Boarder conflict that was totally avoidable. Contrary to PFDJ war propaganda that still clouds and corrupts our historical view. IA his cohort PFDJ were petrified of being crushed by Ethiopian? power. Melasa And IA kept stirring the pot. Few at the time understood the impending horrors of boarder war. In short time IA driven by a lust for power turned Eritrea it into one the world’s most murderous state.
    We need much more foundational change, starting with placing a higher value on people’s well-being and the well-being of all Eritrean children for many generation to come. when Eritrean are united and act together, where we live in Eritrea or in diaspora, we can support each other and build power. We can start to put idea and forward-thinking leaders, but we can do much more to effect deep change. We can resist, reimagine the world we want, restore it, and build resilience.
    what is being of EPLF and it sister TPLF in high days of late 1980th actually entails, that as any young man and women they underwent, perhaps endured suffering and is better, a profound life-altering experience, similar todays Sawa training Camp, during which everything they , embraced, they stood for, and held sacred, was brutally and methodically they being destroyed, with the resultant void filled with the values, no virtues, and no abilities appropriate to the role they were about to assume.
    The EPLF and TPLF builds men and women of blind obedient, a kind godless Stalin communist style , it is said, albeit of a specific sort total obedience . This young men and women sadly and to late and many have died, remaining they have realized that much of their physical, emotional, psychological, and ethical conversion and conditioning process is intended to create effective instruments of death for IA and destruction, killing machines who will do the bidding of top EPLF and TPLF political and military. PFDJ sick leaders without hesitation or question. Against their will and In time some falling out have realized that spicily designed and brainwashed young Eritrean in training focuses on building an intense fraternity and camaraderie with others comrade have started leaving in droves. Anyone who has experienced the insanity of the battlefield understands that when the hits the fan, they kill and sacrifice not for country, but for the comrade man or woman at their side.
    Many have realized that and many others who claim the title the right to EPLF have had selflessness, dedication, and patriotism were badly exploited; after independence they were asked, better compelled, to make sacrifices fighting in wars that were ill-conceived, unnecessary, unjust, and immoral. They have realized that as a EPLF were fighting for freedom initially and rightly so , but in any case, the boarder – a claim we hear so often, and that all neighboring countries were aggressor, invader, and occupier fighting untenable survival situation of kill or be killed for Eritrea was false
    In time most of EPLF have realized that by living according to the Shabia manifestos and ethos, they have become murderer for party and system of IA creation, a realization some of them that has caused them profound guilt, shame, and moral distress. Moral injury has made recovery from war boarder more difficult, if not impossible, and death by one’s own hand, a viable alternative to living in war’s aftermath. When you make and create killers, send them to war to kill and to be destroyed is another thing.
    In time most of EPLF /PFDJ will embrace the reality of the experience; acknowledge the entire process as a charade, a deception, and as a tool of those who profit from Eritrea people efforts, Eritrean sacrifices, their blood, and their lives. Hopefully PFDJ/ EPLF top leaders acknowledge and accept responsibility and culpability for what they have done and what they have become, is not acceptable to Eritrean people.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei Girmay.
    ጅራፍ እራሱ ተጋርፎ እራሱ ይጮሃል…
    How about the smart fascist woyane declaring independence? Tigrean nationalism had its peak when you people managed to control the military and economy of Ethiopia, but mother greediness won the woyane tegadalai pockets. Tune up for more info how your facisct regime collected billion dolars through corruption. We Ethiopians are in deep grief not only one ethnic based mafia accumulated so much power and money but how many none tigrians lives it consumed to silence the looting. After 27 years celebration of one ethnic first policy it seams you dont appreciate its byproduct.

    PS, Since the new revolution i appreciate how you appreciation everything Eritrean. I wish you could apologize in the name of all Tigrians for the racist dwarf Meless expression ”the color of their eyes…”

  • Hayat Adem

    Hello sisters and brothers,
    I have gone AWOL on Awate for weeks. I didn’t get a chance to follow any of the conversations here. I quickly scanned the above article as my entry point but not the comments. Times are extraordinary for the region but I seem to be unlucky to have been caught up with a piling up ordinary work in unordinary times.
    All what happened in our region so far in terms of excesses of war and war situation needs to be understood and accepted as collective cruelity and stupidity and we should think of moving on as a region. No need of apology on and from either side. All that happened in our region, or even worse than them, had happened elsewhere as well. What helped others to move on was never inventary of apologies but the realization of saving their future from their past instead of sacrificing it for their past.
    On rhe level of justice and principle, the only apology Eritreans as people should seek must be one that is from IA and those around him. There was no forced need to unleash those untold crimes and misery on Eritreans while they paid with every support, legitmacy and sacrifice to enable the leadership. What they got for all that is 30 yrs of war sacrifices followed and compunded by 27 yrs of designed impovershiments. Even here, I don’t want Eritreans to consume their energy and time trying to fix the past while continuing to squander the future. Seeking a pure past delays the future. Take a collective note not to repeat mistakes and move on.
    I haven’t listened to what IA has recently said in his last interview. I will wait for Saay’s kitchen on that. Or I hope it has not run out of business and got closed? I hope not. We can’t afford to ignore IA.
    ————-
    I haven’t followed his recent itinerary in Amara either except that I have made a sense of it to myself as to why he did it and why he chose this time. Some people who called me in reacrion tobhis interview dubbed it as reckless and irresponsible. Whether the reasons are known to us or not, there must be good reasons in his world. And you don’t need to dig up much to figure out. Sometimes, one needs not to overlook the obvious ones.
    ————–
    IA thought and declared Tplf was dead beyond repair and opened up the borders. He now realised he was wrong. So he is trying to facilitate and speed up divisions among Tigray and Amara bases to get at Tplf and Tigray. That is why he reportedly spoke of Eritrea bordering Amara while saying a day or two beforw his trip that the EEBC border was nothing. Abiy also spoke of IA’s roots in Amara by mentioning the burial of IA’s grand father in there. The stretch jump feels so awkward and out of place. What could IA be respected and welcomed for? What did he achieve for his people? What did he contribute for the region or Africa? IA would never earn respect and welcome in normal situations except in badly divided societies. I feel bad to see Ethiopia slipping away from one that was hopeful to become a broken one at a light speed.
    ————-
    A confrontation between Amara and Tigray can never result in positve outcomes. A full confrontation would exactly mean a civcil war. It will risk Ethiopia’s future. I don’t understand as what good reason would put the two at such a tension. What are thebstupidbleaders on both sides thinking? It will surely weaken both and Ethiopia. It might as well drag the entire region to untold fragmentation. How come border between Amara and Tigray became so inflammatory when border between Ethiopia and Eritrea is relagated to a backburner? The answer to this must be sought from the geoplitical consideration. Someone is doing this with a grand purpose. And I seem to have always known where to point my fingers to. No one could do this so quietly but lethally on Ethiopia except that part of the world. It is so sadbEthiopia lost a great moment of rising so soon and so tragically. At a time where its central government and federal institutions are weakened, and when strong personalities are needed at the federal seats, PMAA is filling his cabinet with less essential fancy considerations urged by his feeling of disrupting traditions for the sake of it and just winning headlines.
    ————–
    In Eritrea, word is out the household AK47s are being collected back. The way it is being done is very interesting. There is public or written notice sent. A certain local official kind of casually shows up and knocks at the door and very informally asks the household head “qeltifka ba melissa eta biret”. And there is an unusual hesitation and uneasiness to return it on the part of the families.

    • FishMilk

      Hi Hayat Adem. Welcome back from Mekelle! You say ‘I feel bad to see Ethiopia slipping away from one that was hopeful to become a broken one at a light speed’. So are you saying that Ethiopia was paradiso during the 27 year TPLF mafia regime?

      • Hayat Adem

        FishMilk,
        You don’t have to ask for my testimony. As an IA and Pfdj supporter, I am sure you have a close conversancy with Prof Berhe, another of your type. Go listen to his recent paltalk and what he said about what he witnessed in Ethiopia up on visiting it after two decades.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Hayat Adem. Unlike like you Paulos, who would likely commit suicide before making a negative comment against MZ or the TPLF, I am willing to be openly critical of the PIA/PFDJ regime.

          • Hayat Adem

            FishMilk,
            “I am willing to be critical of…”
            Just willing? IA and Pfdj were in power destroying Eritrea and you can only go as far as “willing”? Okay, it took you 27 years to be
            merely “willing” to be critical. When are you going to actualize it? When are we going to read the 1st critical comment or see the first challenging act? What more damage are you waiting to see? What has become “not enough” to move you from “still willing” to doing it?
            Well, only one thing: you can’t go against Pfdj, because you simply can’t. Because you are the donkey owned by that Indian laundry man HTG was describing for us the other day. You are chained. Help for you must come outside of you.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Hayat,
            I’m glad you are back. 🙂
            Hi everyone, got a little joke..

            Ethiopia refer as she, with a female presidency.
            Is Issayas her period that comes monthly?
            Reclaim.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest RA,
            Thanks for welcoming me. I wish I could say the same about your joke.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thanks, Hayat,
            I understand; the joke is something I heard today among Ethiopian community. There is a mix of feeling among the community, some are happy and they feel that Issayas got their back others are very curious about his frequent visit.
            I personally think he is getting too old to stay on the top of the game. He might get played by the young lads.
            Moving on fwd..
            I would like to see Ethiopia start talking about all the cruelty that took place in the past, towards Eritrean. I found it to be important to step forward if this love dovey is for real and without any hidden agenda. I also believe the current Ethiopian president might have all the ingredients to carry this reconciliation process forward and apologise to Eritrean people not Eritrea government.
            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Reclaim,

            I think the apology and it’s intentions and outcomes are positive for both people.

            But in terms of priority where the ERITREAN people needs are, I would say it’s not on the top right now.

            The reason I said that, the people that are wronged the most, Eritreans from the lowlands where the war was in their land and exiled to Sudan are not back to receive the apology.

            What is worse, Eritrea is independent but the regime of IA has not allowed them to return.

            I think the priority for Eritreans is, to remove the regime then let our people return home and live in peace with our neighbours and build our lives.

            The apology thing can come after, but at the moment if they can stop from enabling our oppressor then that would be better.

            What’s the point of Ethiopia apologizing to IA? The real victims the ERITREAN people are in refugee camps in Sudan and Ethiopia. They are not there to reciev it.

            Berhe

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear RA,
            Thanks. I was a bit affronted by the joke. MaElesh:)
            Instead, I want to share with you what I am getting. I am hearing reports from Asmara- very tense that one can feel the extreme tension in the city.
            -people are asked to show up at Expo for a meeting with their AK 47s
            -IA had a new set of security detail before he left for Ethiopia visit.
            -he has left (?) Bahirdar but Eri Tv didn’t show his arrival in Asmara. Only the Ethiopia visit and then see off at airport in Bahir Dar.
            Maybe, can guys, in the Gedab News, check into these tips for any validity?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat a
            What u talking about is not just gossip but ghetto gossip.
            1, pia and 3A conversation was in English,
            2, eri tv showed when pia returned to asmara. U can see it at eastafro.
            What u talking about just show ur personality, nothing else.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Reclaim.
            Her period is corruption and Tigrai first in the name of development which never comes back monthly or yearly. Another joke. 🙂

          • FishMilk

            Hi Hayat Adem. I have been critical of PIA/PFDJ since the days of the G15 and have considered myself part of the opposition camp since just after the Peace Agreement was signed between PIA and PMAA. I have made negative posts here in the past against PIA and the PFDJ. I have however never been one for the so called oppositionists that slept the TPLF for which you NEVER EVER make a negative comment against.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            What is this dude saying by the way? Please tell him that PFDJ (his organization) is the culprit of all the ills and woes of the Eritrean people, from the time they set their foot in our cities. Ask him, didn’t they kill their brothers and sisters on the back of TPLF and awarded TPLF to administer Badme in 1982, by kicking out ELF from the same village. The Wayane are friends to his organization (EPLF/PFDJ) than to ELF organization, and hasn’t any shame to accus us day and night. I wish this dude have the courage to come out with his real name like my self and debate on the crimes of his organization.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            You just have to feel sorry for these people. They are confused and disillusioned. Don’t take them serious.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Sorry, I can’t let him to insult the intelligence of my compatriots and the organization I was part with, and will not remain quiet to defend the sacrifice of my compatriots who gave their ultimate lives to defend Badme and beyond. Please listen to the testimony of our Elder Azmach Tesfaslassie on Badme and the fate of the inhabitant of the village badme. I have linked the clip for him on the other thread ( on the interview of Meles by SGJ). So in short, as far as I am alive, I will not stop to expose their conspiracy against my people.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Aman,

            What a witness..nice Amuni,,very informative ,,This should be filed..

            KS,,

          • FishMilk

            Hi Kokhab Selam. So now, why do you not tell everyone how back in June 1981, when a complete merger of ELF and EPLF forces was to take place, that the ELF mounted a murderous surprise attack on EPLF forces at Ingel in norther Dankalia? Why not tell everyone why the TPLF hated the ELF from the very beginning? Why not tell everyone that the EPLF (not ELF) was the TPLF’s mentor? Why not tell everyone how the ELF constantly suffered from a lack of responsible, coherent, and cohesive leadership which was very religiously biased? Why not tell everyone that before PMAA came to power, that the the ELF as a member of the Eritrean Democratic Alliance, has for years received financial and military assistance from the TPLF? Like I said, both the EPLF and ELF have dark clouds in their past!

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. The EPLF when it liberated Eritrea in 1991 had within its Charter, one that can be taken as the provisional constitution of Eritrea’ that pronounced ‘In independent Eritrea, it is our basic desire to build a stable political system which respects law and order, safeguards unity and peace, enables all Eritreans to lead happy and peaceful lives, guarantees basic human rights, and is free from fear and oppression… a democratic constitutional system based on sovereignty of the people, on democratic principles and procedures, on accountability, transparency, pluralism and tolerance’. Within a few years after formation of the PFDJ, it along with PIA had simply hijacked this dream.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Paulos. Why do you and Hayat Adem still vigorously support the TPLF? At this stage, when they are afraid and on the run, do you really believe that it is possible for the TPLF pheonix to rise from the ashes? Confused and disilusioned? Nah….that can’t be you…

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. So that is all that this is about? You are harboring bad thoughts in your head from more that 35 years ago? Attacking PIA/PFDJ is fair game these days but please do so without defending or glorifying the TPLF.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam FishMilk,

            What is the difference what TPLF did than what your organization EPLF/PFDJ is doing to our people. It is all death, misery, forcing our people to leave their sweet homes. Your government has wounded the pride of our people so to speak. Second, your problem is : you don’t understand that your organization is continuing the same policy of divide and rule they were using 35 years ago. Your politics has never changed and will never change as far as your government is in power. Just give a little time, your government will eventually poison the Ethiopian politics as they did to the Eritrean politics.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. The maxim that you project by asserting that the EPLF and the PFDJ are synonymous, is an old worn-out failed ploy of the TPLF as well as unionists. There is night and day difference between the EPLF and the PFDJ. During the time of the EPLF (unlike today with the PFDJ), Eritreans abroad (and even foreigners), were enthusiastically willing to travel to Eritrea to serve the EPLF which also heavily benefited from the role and significance of the vast majority of Eritrea’s population during its liberation struggle. The PFDJ of today has nothing in common with the EPLF, for it has subjected Eritrea’s population to religious persecution, political repression, human rights violations and it has choked freedom of expression.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam FishMilk,

            Are you kidding? Tell your story to apolitical Eritreans, and not to me. My friend, PFDJ as a party was established by EPLFites and their supporters at their 3rd organizational congress in 1993. No matter how many ex-EPLFites left the party, it is the continuation of the front only transformed to a party carrying the political culture of the of the front once known as EPLF. Period. As a matter of fact you were defending the “charter” of the party until recently. So don’t sweat to teach the public wrong that could be exposed easily. Come to an open podium to debate with me on wether PFDJ is a continuation of EPLF, I will set an open stage and arrange for it.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. The EPLF was a ‘liberation front’ and not a ‘political party’; that is a huge distinction. The fact that there was a lot of purge and in EPLF’s ranks (1991-1993) and that it failed to transform itself from a guerrilla movement/liberation front (with top down style leadership) into a constitutional democratic government, will never change the history of EPLF and its populist nature and the fact that it liberated Eritrea on Friday, May 24, 1991.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam FishMilk,

            EPLF has purged many oppositions by baptizing different names (yemin, menkae) the same when it is transformed to PFDJ. It doesn’t matter the front and the party have the same political culture. Second the constituent of EPLF and PFDJ are the same. The EPLF members endorsed the transformation of the front to a party and its charters. Third, the front itself was lead by the EPRP party during the liberation. So no change my friend. It is all the nature of your politics back then and now. It was an oppressive front back then, it is an oppressive party now. What is difficult to understand this simple basic politics?

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. I cannot force you to understand that a military organization (EPLF) is clearly different from a purely political movement (PFDJ). I also can not force you to accept the fact that EPLF (not ELF) liberated Eritrea with the strong popular support and commitment from the majority of Eritreans. The EPLF had its dark clouds as did the ELF.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ammanuel,
            I fully endorse your comment. When those drawing do not even accept a life jacket thrown to them, then there is no point. Let those who are inflicted with partisan squabbles of the seventies explain the orientation between the Isaias-controlled EPLF and the Isaias-controlled PFDJ. Maybe we can learn something we didn’t about the perpetual betrayal and the kiss-Tigray, stop, kiss-Amhara, stop, Kiss Tigray flip-flop. These bellicose elements cannot spell PEACE without some belligerent attitude. Sick.

            Disclaimer: If you do not consider yourself belligerent, my comment does not concern you.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Yes Hayat Adem.

          The queen of horn..

          KS,

          • Mez

            Dear Kokhob S,

            Waw,

            Thanks

    • Blink

      Dear Hayat
      An apology from a criminal is a normal process and it may not be the final point for the future but it is an important one . Why are trying not to tell the truth ? You have always been like that , what does it cost for Ethiopian leaders to say sorry for the crimes committed by Hailesilassie, Dergi , Meles ? It costs nothing but as usual here you are trying to say Ethiopia was standing on solid ground at the weyane time , what is wrong with you people ? Hundreds of thousands of young Ethiopians were killed by weyane as a cost analysts for their roping machine and the results are as expected horrible for you .
      Grace yourself with Abaya Tsehaye , Sibhat Nega and all these killers at your side .

      Apologize and move to the future.
      https://www.facebook.com/218987881627147/posts/901437383382190/

      In 1967 hailesilassie said “ these are not Eritreans “ he was referring to the kids and women who were killed on their way to Sudan . Dead bodies were everywhere because they were unlucky to be Muslims .
      Dergi did the same to everyone in Eritrea. Meles did the same to all eye owners of Eritreans. Here you are going crazy about your lose .

  • FishMilk

    Hi Girma. I am sure that you know much more than I do about Tigreans. The one thing that I do know is that you can go to Arba Minch, Assosa, Semera, Sodo, Nekempte, etc., and you can observe that the so called ‘poor’ and ‘innocent’ Tigray (along with TPLF members) have been very active over the past three decades grabbing land. For example, more than 3/4th of the land within a 100 kilometer radius of Asosa, has been grabbed by people from Tigray.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei Girmay.
    The same ones who spew war on amhara, the same one who made war between ethnic groups, the same one who work one for five to enslave and robe Ethiopians, the same one who spy for woyane government, the same one who were hunting Eritreans to send them home for not liking their eye colors.

  • FishMilk

    Hi Girmay. What innocent Tigrians are you referring to? The same ones that have been land grabbing in every region other than Tigray, over the past 27 years? Yes there are poor Tigrians inside Tigray region that have received zero benefit from the TPLF but the fact is, that most Tigirans living outside of Tigray region, have in fact benefited from TPLF connections.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatista,

    As the Eritrean doctors are leaving in droves our country, the Ethiopian doctors are ready to volunteer to fill the vacancy created as a result.These is good news for PFDJites, and bad news for justice seekers. The Eritrean professionals and business people are scattering all over the world and are being replaced by foreigners. Sad story for a nation besieged by a tyrant.

    https://www.addisinsight.net/2018/11/10/bahir-dar-medical-school-graduates-to-volunteer-in-eritrea-and-somalia/

    • FishMilk

      Hi Amanuel Hidrat. You say the ‘Ethiopian doctors are ready to volunteer to fill the vacancy crated as a result’? Please clarify. Are you implying that Ethiopian doctors are not leaving Ethiopia in search of greener pastures? Why do you always wish to portray Ethiopia in an advantageous position over Eritrea? Do you always wish to use Ethiopia as the yardstick measurement of success for Eritrea? I just don’t get you.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam FishMilk,

        First read the link what it says. I didn’t make the story. The Ethiopian leaders are saying it at the graduation ceremony of the medical school in Bahir Dar. The are saying it in the presence of our despot, which seems when they got nod of approval from him. Second, if Eritrea is the “deal green pasture” for foreigners, why not for its own people then? Third, the report says strictly “volunteers” and doesn’t say in search of green pastures. Forth, it is not me only, ask even to our erudite who are sympathizers of the regime, they are murmuring or complaining in their comfort zone, because the current deals puts Eritrea at disadvantage. Just listen to Dr Berhe’s interview who is the supporter of the regime, has hinted the disadvantage of our country, due the development he saw in Ethiopia and other criteria he mentioned in his interview. Fifth, at this point Ethiopia is a small yardstick measurement to catch up, and then dream bigger. Brother, this is fact on the ground. Actually, my worries is not even the “disadvantage” we could have from the agreement, my worries the sovereignty of our land, when the regime put the demarcation of the border in the back burner, as if it wasn’t the issue he used to suffocate our people.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Brother FishMilk,

        Look what the Eritrean health minister of Ethiopia is Dr, Amir Aman tweeted, “During his commencement speech for the graduates, Prime Minister Abiy called for the medical students to volunteer in Eritrea and Somali this year. Following PM Abiy call, health minister Dr. Amir tweeted expressing his readiness to deploy volunteers to the two countries by covering their living and travel expense.”

        Yesterday I saw from what EBC said the women minister said our nation has constitution so when legal matters arise we will have to use our legal codes, so what about Eritrea isn’t found with blood paid for freedom and democracy?

        Dear FM, the case is now very sensitive and you should follow is very carefully,,

        KS,,,

        • FishMilk

          Hi Kokhob Selam. I do not need to measure Eritrea’s success (lack of) by what is happening in Ethiopia. I am glad that you are happy with Ethiopia’s constitution which enabled the TPLF mafia to exploit the country for 27 years. According to your Ethiopian constitution you should have had a census exercise by now. It’s delay will effect your 2020 elections…..no?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear FM

            What? do you think so?

            “According to your Ethiopian constitution you should have had a census exercise by now”

            Just wait and see what will happen soon, the guys are not matured enough to move peace forward any more,,just watch sometime,,

            Now do you see peace in Ethiopia? every morning people from all over Ethiopia are killed every now and then,,,see Eritrean even the president is in Ethiopia now..so what do you think of an ordinary Farmer and every single person,,it is just a film done by the head..

            KS,,

          • FishMilk

            Hi Kokhob Selam. You say ‘people from all over Ethiopia are getting killed every now and then’. Was that not happening during the reign of the TPLF mafia? Was the 2005 election violence in Addis Ababa just a play of imagination? Ethiopia’s constitution worked great then didn’t it!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear FM.

            Not at all. That is why the group managed for this soft change,, don’t try to put me in trap..I am well organized than you guys think,,

            Do you think I will surrender on this simple equitation of yours, if
            didn’t fell long back with your criminal group PFDJ?

            KS,

          • FishMilk

            Hi Kokhob Selam. It is good to know that you are as judgmentally bad as me at times (asserting that I am part of the PFDJ). I could have also quickly labeled you as TPLF but I din’t and wont .

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei FishMilk.
        What Abiy, Isaias and Formaajo are doing is investing on peace. This is against Amanuel and tplf grand project how to profit on war. Since woyane took over power til its generals are picked one by one out of action (in other words til now) we were witnessing war driven by woyane in the name of peace keeping in S.Sudan, war against terror in Somalia and border problem with Eritrea. Woyane arming alshabab and milking as peace keeper in Somalia while Eritrea which has nothing to do with arming Somalia being punished by the international communities was the life we used to. When that horrible way of earning profit is called ‘we were great and we shall be great’ is changed to work for earning money we have to listen some whining from woyanes. We can tolerate it, i hope so.

    • David Samson

      Selam Emma,

      I do not see any negative repercussions if anyone from any country want to help the people in Eritrea. We need all the help we can get from anywhere as long as it benefits ordinary Eritreans.

      This trend has not started suddenly; it has been around from the early 90’s. How can we forget how many capable Eritreans were sent back to their adapted country in frustration as they did not fit with the outlooks of Tegadeltis? Many highly educated Eritreans were ridiculed by Tegadelti and were branded as spoilt brats. The hiring of Indian teachers was blessed and endorsed by top GOE’s officials, not just IA. I listened to Dr AnderBerhan interviews the other day; he admitted that there has not been a function government from the word go. However, he completely absolves himself from any responsibilities and wrong doing of his government. Suddenly, all the country woes and ills are the sole responsibilities of a single person. I call it a whitewash. I see this behaviour from many Tegadeltis and ex-ministers. They do not feel any regrets and remorse for putting the country and its people on its current state.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dave,

        The issue is not about the “Help”. The issue is when Eritreans with their know how are forced directly and indirectly to leave their homeland and are replaced by foreigners. Actually, this will continue as the regime and its system stays kicking. I objected for those who claims “a one man system and one man responsibilities” to all the woes and ills of our nation. There is a “party” and a “system” that runs the state machine of the nation. You fight against the “party and the system” and not against the “individual”at the top of the helm. Until this understood by the great majority Eritreans, there will be no any success against the regime.

      • Haile S.

        Selam David, Emma et all,
        Good point Emma. David, agree on what you said.

        ናይ ታጋዳላይ መራሕቲ ህግደፍ ነገር
        ሓዉ/ሓውቱ ገዲፉ ዝናፍቕ ካልእ ሃገር

        ኤርትራ እዛ ሓላል መሬት እንዳበለ
        ምሁር ዘይብላ ገይርዋ ርእሰ-ቢስ ዕንጉለ

        ኣሕዋቱ ዓዲ ዝጸንሑ፡ ከይምህርዎ
        እቱው ምስ በለ ኣስመራ ምግላል ናተይ’ሉ ሒዝዎ
        መምህራን ካብ ህንዲ ብብዝሒ ቆጺሩ ኣምጺእዎ
        ቀደም high school ዝነበሮ ተዘኪርዎ

        እቲ ዓቢ በደል ዝፍጽምዎ ተጋደልቲ መራሕቲ
        ኣብ ክንዲ ዝቐስሙ ኣመሓዳድራ ብትምህርቲ
        ..ሃገር ከመሓዳድርዋ ክቐለሎም
        ..ንድሕሪት መሊሶማ ናብታ ናይ ሜዳ ዓቕሞም

        ሰብ ህግደፍ ክትዛረቦም ከምዚ ይብሉ
        እንሆ ፈረስ እንሆ ሜዳ ኪዱ ብወገንኩም ተጋደሉ

        የዋህ ህዝቢ መራሕቲ ንሃገር/ህዝቢ ዝቖሙ ይመስሎ
        IA ብ1990 ኣብ ሳግም መጽሄቱ ከምዝበሎ
        ኤርትራ መጀመርታ ኢሉ ንዝነበረ ኣብ ተጋድሎ

        በሊዖም ከም ጎረቤት ህዝቦም ኣየብልዑ
        ወይ ለጋሳት ኮይኖም ኣይህቡ ኣይሰልዑ
        ይመስሉ ስሱዓት ባንቡላ ዘየካፍሉ ቛልዑ

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat (Haile-S),

          You said it all, in their own language if they have ears to listen. Thank you brother.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Nice Haile S,

          Excellent !

          “ናይ ታጋዳላይ መራሕቲ ህግደፍ ነገር
          ሓዉ/ሓውቱ ገዲፉ ዝናፍቕ ካልእ ሃገር

          ኤርትራ እዛ ሓላል መሬት እንዳበለ
          ምሁር ዘይብላ ገይርዋ ርእሰ-ቢስ ዕንጉለ ”

          መሓሩኒ: ሃይለ– Hailat forgive me for Jebena page I am too busy to take care of Jebena page those days,,

          KS,,

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Kokhob,
            No worries. I put ine there this morning, but sometimes the subject goes with the comment, hense I put my poem under the comment, like in this case.
            Best

      • Berhe Y

        Hi David,

        I agree with you, under his watch, I don’t know the exact number but I heard at the time, over 150 lecterures were fired for no other reason but considered “deki hade Awraja”. He made IA chancellor of the university without consulting with anyone of the university directors. I don’t think there was any truth to that, but it was easy to label them some one to justify their actions. The same way they called the G15 initially.

        I said this many times and I get in trouble with former EPLF tegadelti but I don’t know anything worthwhile they did that is good for the country and good for the people.

        MS said in one of his writing, the one thing he wish to see is, to leave the country better than they found it. Honestly, not even close what’s worse the intentional damage the IA group has been inflicting for no good reason but out of spite.

        Coca Cola factor – closed
        Inaiel hospital – closed
        Asmara University – closed

        What happen to the rest of small factories … enda merenghi (glass factory),
        enda cemento (cement)
        enda Aleba (textile)
        enda samuna (soap)
        enda kisha (sack)
        enda zeyti (oil)
        enda omo (detergent)
        enda mesmar (nails)
        enda (forgot the name, processed food )
        enda Achi (Milk)
        enda kirbit (light match)
        enda qorbet (leather)
        enda Jani and enda Habtemariam (bus assembly /manufacturing)

        And what happened the many transportation buses

        SeTayo
        enda Haregot
        enda Gonafr
        enda Haji Hasen

        And many, many small industries.

        Eh, eh deAe enda hgdef

        Berhe

        • Paulos

          ኣታ በርሀ ሓወይ ከመይ ጌርካ እዚ ኹሉ ፋብሪካታትን ኩባንያታትን ዘኪርካዮ፣ ትማሊ ትማሊ ካብ ኣስመራ ዝተመለስካ ኢኻ ትመስል ዘለኻ፣

          ካብ ‘ዝግሄር’ሲ ቅድሚ ሰብ ኢና ዓይኒ ኣንቈሕና ግን ኢሳያስ ዝባሃል ሰብ ንድሕሪት መሊሱና።

          • Berhe Y

            Ata Paulo,

            Nebsna eyu weSaei zelo ember Hangolna dAe ab Ertra endyu.

            You know in the 90s I was so impressed with them. I had a family member who was getting sick and I use to call every once in.m a while and they tell me Halibet wesidnayo. Halibet Halibet, and I know it’s not the same as Mekane Hiwet, or sbedsle Abi.

            How soon did they build hospital? Wow.

            Later I found out that, it’s what used to be 35 (selasa AmisteNa) that they renamed Halibet. Enda Kentu.

            Berhe

        • Desbele

          Selam Berhe,
          Andebirhan was right hand man in the slow death of the university of Asmara(UoA). Later on Dr. Woldeab Issak finishes it off.
          One of the lecturers fired for incompetence was Historian Fr. Tewolde. The funny thing is that UoA used Fr. Tewolde’s history book as a text book for several years after his dismissal.
          BTW, Cement Factory has been moved to Ghedem in around 2010. Has a lot of challenges especially power. Was working on an off in a very limited capacity until 2014. No info after that.
          Enda Samuna, which is the one around UoA is almost dysfunctional.]
          Enda Omo- the owner was killed by pfdj in 2008. http://awate.com/in-memory-of-my-beloved-brother-mohammed-saleh-mohammed-hagos/

          • Selam

            I take his lecture. When he sit down and start to talk about Eritrean history everybody was quiet, because the way he presents were fantastic. Last week end I told about Fr. Tewolde. Where is he and What is he doing? One of the best historian about Eritrean History.

          • Desbele

            Hi Selam,
            Ya , he was one of the finest teachers in UoA. I have no idea his whereabouts now.

        • Haile S.

          Selamat Berhe,
          You reminded me some more,
          እንዳ ካንዘን (ፕላስቲክ)፡ እምባ ጋልያኖ
          እንዳ ድስቲ፡ እምባ ጋልያኖ
          እንዳ ጡብ (brick)
          እንዳ መጥሓኒ እምኒ ወ ጸጸር
          እንዳ ኖራ
          እንዳ ብሎኬቲ (cement blocks and sewage canals)፡ ገጀረት
          እንዳ ባኮ፡ ገጀረት
          Salmifico Torrinese (porc meat products)
          እንዳ መልጎም (እንዳ ዓጽሚን ቀርንን)
          ወዘተረፈ

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Hailat,

            That’s the idea I am sure there are more to add. I don’t know if you remember, it was not long after independence he was mocking them “Fabricatat Alo ilna knzareb ayniKeln ena”. His plan was to shut them down and replace them with imported Red Sea corporation goods.

            Paulo,

            Do you remember the double decker bas enda Aleba, use to give free ride to those who were employed there. It use to operate 24 hrs so some of the people have no way to move around.

            Hiji Kea gieso, Hrich koynu zereba.

            Desbele,

            He use to say that Eritreans teachers / professors, are too expensive and they wanted to get paid by US dollars. Which was pure lie. I know for a fact, there were many (organized by Dr. Araya) that went to go and teach in Eritrea. And they didn’t ask equal to what they get paid but enough to cover their expenses, and I am sure most of them would have found grants to over their expenses.

            He refused and he didn’t want Eritreans teaching them, because they will teach them more than maths.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhe,

            Yea I remember the buses. In fact, I remember, when we were kids running after the buses and making funny gestures to the workers on the bus. Good times!

        • David Samson

          Selam Berhe, Haile, Paul and Dessbele,

          What many probably do not know is Dr AnderBerhan’s interview he gave to BBC. I can’t remember the exact date of the interview, but it was at the time when he was an Ambassador in Brussels (Around 2011-2013). He was specifically asked about G-15. He said, “They[G-15] betrayed their country by sleeping with its enemy”.

          As humans, we make mistakes and errors of judgment, and on reflection, we usually regret our past actions. As saying goes, “To err is human; to forgive, divine”. What is lacking from GOE’s employees is that they do not show any remorse for their past sins. It is natural for Dr AnderBerhan to change his political views. However, he finds is hard to say sorry to people who have suffered because of his past deeds and actions. I know ‘Sorry’ is the hardest word to say, and It must be near to impossible for many high-ranking officials to say it. As Saleh Johar on one of his videos said, many of so called ex-GOE’s supporters do not feel any remorse when they jump ship and join in the opposite of the aisle, and act as if they were nothing to apologise. You say sorry to people who wronged for one’s sake and sanity. Dr AnderBerhan and the likes do not appear to have wronged anyone along the way.

          The late Wedi Vaccaro has left us an enduring legacy: to show humbleness. I have never forgotten the way he conducted himself in public. Before any seminar, he stood up and apologised to Eritrean people. Despite he had serious healthy issues, he refused to sit down whenever he made his apology. He did not need to apologise to anyone as he did not owe anyone, yet because he supported the government, he felt guilty. He epitomised the good virtue of Habesha culture and should strive to emulate him, particularly those who aspire to hold public office.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Amanuel.
      When the corrupt and war mongers tplf generals have no war to profit from antagonizing neighboring countries and no chance to robe , leaders and professionals of our countries cementing the basement of our everlasting peace. This is painful for woyanes all over the world. But deep in your head you know this day is coming. You cant cheat 100 million people for ever without eliminating each and every one of them.

  • Kbrom

    Hi all,

    Houthu forces hit a couple of fishing boats by missiles in Edi near Assab last Thursday night.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. ‘Jawar Mohammed, shared his views of Afwerki’s revisit calling it untimely and unwise “Eritrea’s Prez Isaias Afrworki visiting Bahr Dar at this time is unwise & untimely. It will further exacerbates Bahar Dar – Mekele tension. It could also harm the ongoing Ethio-Eritrean reproachment,” his post on social media read’.

    • Blink

      Dear FM
      Issias and Somalia president trip is a cover for PM Aby for the military reform decision. Don’t forget at this time as we speak many weyane colonels as well as generals are being given a civilian card . The most important decision ever taken by PM Abiy is the retiring of weyane oversized shoes of military generals. The hottest news about this is a very good news to Eritrea and the Ethiopian people in general. Debrestion is losing the game little by little.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Blink. I know that many high ranking TPLF officers are being placed on pension or released, some of which, shoul have been placed in the pasture decades ago. . It will be interesting to see, if part of the younger group of TPLF officers who were promoted back in February, will be let go. An example is Lt. General Hailemariam Mola (from Shire), who used to be over Ethiopia’s Air Force.

      • Selam Blink,

        True or false, it is said that addis ababa condominiums are emptying at a rapid pace, because there owners, tplf supporters from tigray state, have returned back to tigray for fear of repercussions. They were given the apartments in an illegal way to settle tplf operatives in addis for their future plan, whatever that may be. Millions of square meters of urban land has been found fenced and left ideal, the owners unknown. High rising buildings without owners, or with fake ownership, and billions have been lost due to tax evasion, etc. It is a common news now in addis after the reform and tplf is far from absolute power.

        This was reported by deputy mayor of addis ababa and others. It is not hard to guess that tplf is the major suspect, the movers and shakers of the previous government that has now moved its headquarter to meqele.

        What would have happened if this level of corruption (looting) continued for another 30 yrs. Tplf’s sebhat nega was saying that they came from the bushes with billions of birr and they were contemplating to invest in different country including south africa, and they finally chose ethiopia. He didn’t say how they came to such amount of money. Can any rational person believe this?

        Was tplf a liberation front or was it at the head of an illegal lucrative business enterprise, or was it trading in something suspicious, whatever that might be? When one sees that the first thing they did soon after setting foot in addis was to loot the country, one is forced to imagine different things. He may say the money is from sudan, whatever, but it is not enough to explain everything.

        Tplf was the merchant of venice; they have got their pound of flesh from ethiopia, and therefore, ethiopia owes tplf nothing. The last remaining thing for them to do is to free the people of tigray, so that they can return to the ethiopian family where they belong. Tplf is a big liability than an asset for tigrayans.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Horizon,
          Accusing Tplf for corruption is ok. But taking an opdo mayor as a reliable source kills the credibility of your statement.

          • Selam Kaddis,

            What are the reasons an “opdo mayor cannot be taken as a reliable source”? Can you enlighten us on this. Are you saying that the things mentioned above do not stand and are lies, i.e. the condominiums that were illegally acquired and are emptying now, the urban lands fenced and left ideal, buildings without ownership or fake ownership, or the billions in tax evasions?

          • Admassie

            Selam Horizon,
            To be differed from Kaddis, I would say, accusing TPLF for everything wrong is not OK. At least for a change let us explore other explanations.
            There are different conditions why condo house units could be empty. 1. There are some winners of the condo draw who could not manage to pay the first 30% but manage to extend the deadline hoping to find the required amount some how.
            2. There are some units whose winners do not exist. It has been 13 years since people are on waiting. Some might moved abroad or died. As hard working and devotion is not in our blood, proper inventory is none existent.
            3. There are some winners whose family split and the administration could not award to neither parties. The case could be in court for years.

            Empty plots also could be attributed to similar explanations.
            As you might know, land is a very lucrative property in Ethiopia. The trend is, people tend first to acquire a land by any means (winning bid by offering exaggerated unit price) and then start thinking what to do with it. There are a lot of cases where people financially un able to put a project on their plot based on the land use of the city planning.

            The thing is, apart from corruption and mal intention , there are a lot of genuine factors why things in Ethiopia are the way they are and unfortunately they will not go away soon.

            The mayor is in a mission to deceive people by acting Messiah and make people dwell on TPLF while he is filling every possible positions from ODP. But the grand mission is suspected to be changing the demography of Addis Abab to Oromo dominating one in the name of helping displaced Oromo people by bringing and locating them at the periphery of Addis. Whether this is true or not time will tell.

            Admassie A.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Admassie. Dude. Get a life! Paid TPLF trolls are fewer and far between these days. Hope they are paying you more than Paulos and his sister Hayat.

          • David Samson

            Hi FM,
            Admassie and Kaddiss are not TPLF. I do not know how you are getting your facts. They are ordinary Ethiopians, and they happen live in Ethiopia. Unlike you and I, they have the advantage of living close to the scene. Please do not take it the wrong way. I am not here to defend them, but rather always value their views.

          • FishMilk

            Hi David Samson. How do you know that Admassie and Kaddis actually live in Ethiopia?

          • Admassie

            Selam David Samson,

            Thank you for your understanding. Yes I live in Addis and every bit of the political and social hitch touches me and my families life like the rest of the population. As you said, yes, me and other participants who live inside our country and participate in this forum have the advantage of being part or closer to the happenings. It is for that reason I always try to provide some info in my comments.

            Ethiopia is a very complex country with very complex challenges. People tend to simplify things as they see it on the surface.If my country’s problem was as easy as pushing a keyboard button, we would not have been stuck to Axum-Harrar-Lalibela etc history narration.

            Thank you again.
            Admassie A.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei, Admassie.
            But accusing tplf for what it has done ok.
            Then what Horizon has said is all tplf works. And there are more he did not cover at all. If you want to tell us what others do, then do it. But you can not force others what to say or not.

          • Selam

            Selam Mitiku,

            Admassie did not force any body. He write what he knows whether it is true or not time will tell us.
            In Ethiopia from Minilike to Hailmariam all leaders of the country did a good and bad things to Ethiopian people, because all of them are not elected by the people they came by force and they used force to stay in power. I start from Minilike because today’s Ethiopia shape starts from him.
            As Dr. Aby said now is the time of reconciliation. Just forgive for what is done but not forget and look for the future otherwise it will be a vicious cycle.

          • Selam

            Selamat Admassie A.

            I want to add one more thing to your point. Empty fenced land in Addis are not owned only by unknown person as horizon said but there are a lot of fenced empty landed owned by the city itself. They displaced a lot of people from their slam home for new development but for years they do nothing. Residence of the city complaining about this empty land fenced with crumpled corrugated iron, because it is used for garbage damping and a hiding please for night time (hang workers) stealers.

            I said all but I add what I saw in FBC.

            have a nice day.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Horizon,
            The issues could be true. Like the dead dam engineer. But there’s no investigative journalism nor independent media verifying.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Horizon,

          For the record and for whatever it is worth, I am a Shoa Amhara on both sides of my family.
          Here at Awate, I have been called Woyane and TPLF member in a surprising logic and funny way. I dismissed the labeling for what it was, stupid.

          I read your comments carefully on a regular basis. I find myself about 90% of the time agreeing with you. The only time I remember disagreeing with your take or you with me was: 1) about intelligence test of the races (black, white, asian) and 2) tplf as players in modern Ethiopian politics.

          On TPLF let me say this up front, even though I have said it before. When TPLF and EPLF moved in to Addis Ababa and both rebel groups engaged in rounding up their “enemies” I was heart broken. In subsequent years when the poor Amhara unfortunate souls living in Harar, Oromia and other places were subjected to ethnic murder crimes, I wept in desperation.

          The language Meles and co. used to insult and aggrandize themselves through various media will not be easily forgotten.
          However, all of it must be seen in context and time.
          Meles of the 90s and Meles of the 2010 were not the same. He himself admitted it.
          TPLF of the same period can be viewed in the same light.
          I am not saying there was no problems, there was, but there were huge advancement, transformation and achievements in the country as a whole that are visible too, that cannot be ignored.

          What could be the justification of murdering and chasing the poor of poor Tigrians etching a subsistence living in the neighborhood of Amhara region. Was that the revenge of what the Oromos in the south did to Amharas. Where does all this stop.

          I think some of us who have seen and heard of all these tragedies need to be careful not fan flames or contribute a single benign word that might encourage these developments.

          I want to end by drawing a parallel of what I am talking about and the “METEC” entity.
          This is an organization established a long time ago with a mission of establishing capacity for all major projects in Ethiopia. The organization has hundreds of engineers and managers that acquired practical solutions with experience. They have completed Dams, factories and military projects to boot.
          What I hear and read now is how corrupt it is and how it should be dismantled. Just think of it. (I read somewhere Egypt agrees too)
          An organization wisely established to tackle major projects is being soiled and tarred because of few corrupt individuals at the top. Show the evidence and the court should pass the punishment.
          Wouldn’t it be wise to change the offending management and keep the mission of the organization and the talented in house engineers. I assume this organization was and is the “technology transfer” depot from China, Korea Japan and others.
          Don’t we need to be careful not to damage the future of Ethiopia for some tactical political points?

          I get discouraged when I see PIA in Gonder, Demeke Mekonnen sitting next to crown prince of Saudi Arabia, and our Prime Minister doing push ups with disgruntled soldiers.
          I don’t know what is in store for us but at the very least let us not do harm.
          Sorry for the rambling style, I hope the point I was aiming for is done.

          Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            I have to reiterate that i never equate the people of tigray with tplf. This political organization is loved by some tigrayans, hated by other, and the rest of tigrayans are very suspicious about it. It came with hate and arrogance, lived the same way as the ruling party, and now far from power, in its small enclave, it continues the same way. It used the name of the people it represented, and created division between them and other ethiopians, as it created division between all ethiopians. For these and other reasons, tplf is a liability and not an asset for the people of tigray. The problem lies exclusively with the hardcore tplf. It has alienated tigrayans from the rest, trying to alienate from each other all ethiopian ethnic groups, so that it can rule forever, and this should not continue simply because tplf is obsessed with absolute power, which has corrupted it absolutely.

            Yes indeed, addis is much more a modern chinese city than an african one, chinese built infrastructures are everywhere. There is nothing wrong with that. I too appreciated these at one time, until i understood at what debt burden to the country, and the big debt distress that will follow. Ethiopia is one of the african countries that is not in a position to pay back chinese debt, if we forget debt from the west. What does that mean to ethiopia’s sovereignty, we will see in the future.

            There is one small example i would like to bring. In my neighborhood, there is a small square with a fountain. Some years ago our mayer, pulled down the whole square including the fountain which was there for decades and renovated everything. At the middle of his second term, he was doing almost the same thing, reconstructing everything. One day i was standing at the square and asked the person next to me, why such things are happening. He turned to me with a smile, and told me, this is how corruption takes place. A budget – a shoddy construction – and part of the money goes to the mayer’s pocket. This is the easiest way towards corruption, unless you have the power of your signature in cases like arms procurement, mega constructions, etc.

            Is there any sign that tplf in 2018 is a changed political party, or does it remain the same ignorant and arrogant group of people. The situation in wolkaite and raya, and the last killings in metema for which tplf armed groups directed by tplf officers are accused, are not only the result of their actions, but they are also fanning the unstable situation in ethiopia with military hits, and with the power of their illegally amassed money.

            The situation between amhara and tigrayan ethnic groups is terrifying. Both are arrogant entities that are ready to solve the problem with armed conflicted than taking their differences to the federal government. Amharas feel abused and humiliated while tplf feels entitled. It tplf had not felt strong and above the law and curved out of the amhara territory and made it part of tigray for its ‘greater tigray’ dangerous philosophy, things would not have come to this point. I do not remember the border of tigray going all the way to the border of sudan on the ethiopian political map until tplf set foot in addis.

            Ethiopia suffers as the result of tplf’s legacy of divide and rule and the killil system, which may destroy her, unless there is reconciliation, and tplf accepts not only what it sees as its licence to rule ethiopia with entitlement, i.e. the infrastructures, but becomes part of the reform and not against it as it doing right now.

            There is a news coming out of addis that about 40 members of metec including a general have been apprehended after a gathering in a hotel, and they are waiting for court procedures. Such things are not easily done unless there are tangible signs of misuse of public money. It is also said that about a hundred and sixty senior military officers have been relieved from the military, most of them tplf officers. This again is due to the fact that the military is controlled by tplf at all levels. The pm is saying that it will be a thing of the past, and no one ethnic group will ever again have its enablers at all levels of the military hierarchies.

            Metec got 60% of the budget and accomplished only 30% of the job. This money is in billions of birr, which makes it a major corruption issue, which of course involves higher officials. I think that pm Abiy said he will divide it into a military and a civilian components and not abolish it. It is said that ethiopia has dispatched military personnel to meqele to bring to the court of law senior officials accused of corruption in relations to metec. We will see how much tplf will cooperate.

            I personally am worried about what tplf could do to the stability of the country. Their policy may be similar to that of dia, we will destroy ethiopia if we go. Unfortunately, the wild fire will destroy everything and everybody on its way. That is why they should be part of the whole before it is too late, and not against. They could do a good service to themselves, their people and to ethiopia as a whole. They should be reminded continuously.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

            Thank you Sir! Much respect!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam KIM,

            Well said. It sound the words of wisemen. Keep up being judicious, it is good for you and your country.

    • Kaddis

      Hi fish
      The awkwardness of Isaias’s presence kills my little interest of following our “toothless” © politics

      • Paulos

        Selam Kaddis,

        Isaias is racing against time to see TPLF completely destroyed in his life time and the Tigrean people crippled beyond repair. He has Abiy and ADP on his side and the ungrateful lot here in Diaspora who are spewing lies after lies as you can read here in this Forum. What I don’t understand is what happened to the time honored Ethiopian value as in ፈሪሃ-እግዚኣቢሄር?

        • Kaddis

          Gash Paulos,
          It is disgusting. My view in the long term; the Oromo elite conflict with tplf is economic (yeteqem gechit) not strategic (both are identity based federalists). but the Oromo elite have fundamental conflict with the fake Ethiopianists. That’s why you see caution from top oromo activists against tplf.
          The opdo and ANDM alliance is shaky and doubt it will survive until election.
          You know better about Isaias’s plans and it’s surprising how reckless Abiy gov seems dealing with Isaias

        • FishMilk

          Hi Paulos. You love Meles Zenawi. You love Zenawism and the way it racially and ethnically divided Ethiopia. You love the TPLF. You love Tigray people. You have long made that evervescdntly clear! Why do you not simply return to your mama Mekelle to work and live?

          • Selam

            Selamat FishMilk,

            FishMilk I think to ask someone to go to neighboring country and work there because he likes the country or their achievement and you yourself did not go back to YOUR COUNTRY to work there is SUICIDE. It there any other word than hypocrisy.

            Have a nice day.

      • Blink

        Dear Kaddis
        You better adapt to the new reality then because whether we like it or not the game with Issias seems to stay , To the surprise of many it is a blessing to see the Ethiopian youth accepting what ever it’s about Eritrea. Remember people like ጻድቃን were saying they must take Asseb by force just in 2017 and the contrast in Gonder is a kind of a revoking of ጻድቃን and the ቀይባህራችን lunatics.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Kaddis and thanks! I hear they will soon be placing the TPLF in the former Eritrean refugee camps in Tigray region. Maybe you can rerurn back home and assist your brothers and sisters in need. The TPLF should soon be granted bona fide refugee status by UNHCR. Maybe you can also tell them that you are TPLF.

  • Paulos

    Selam HaileTG and All,

    First of, where is Dr. Beyan when we need him most for Language among others is his area of expertise. Hope he is well.

    Decided to drop the “Innate or Learned” aspect of language for it would not be as much exciting as the political and social aspects of it.

    First, I like to touch on the concept of Language as an identity for it remains to be much more relevant when particularly the second decade of 21st century is mired with Identity-Politics or Politics of Identity. I am going to rely on Fukuyama’s body of work by extension Hegel for the former is one of the formost authorities on the latter. But first, what is identity?

    I am sure most of you were introduced to Erik Eriksson in introductory courses in Psychology in College. Eriksson defined identity when he said, “Identity grows, in the first place, out of distinction between one’s true inner-self and outer world of social rules and norms that does not adequately recognize the inner-self’s worth or dignity.” We can see that, identity is related or strongly linked to recognition and dignity. Here is where it gets rather interesting.

    Hegel was absolutely convinced that, history is not only progressive but universal as well. But he asked, what is the main driving force behind history? He said, history is driven by the perpetual struggle for recognition. For instance, didn’t we struggle for thirty years for independence? Wasn’t the psychological forte behind the struggle, the struggle for recognition including not only our unique historical experiences to be recognized but our norms, values and language as well?

    For Hegel however, the struggle for recognition was limited to certain class of society as in the aristocracies where it literally means rule by the best. He built his ideas on Classics particularly from Plato’s “Republic” where in it, Socrates debates two aristocrats if Man is limited by his immediate needs to survive as in food and water or if there is something else. Socrates challenges them when he said, there is something else in human nature that seeks higher and sublime where it defines humans as rational beings. Socrates went on to say that, the sublime quality is confined to certain class of a society—Philosopher-Kings. They give their lives for the common good in return for recognition–as it is the highest honor in life. Building on that idea, dignity, Hegel said is rooted in the sacrifice for honour and recognition and again, the honour and dignity are only the values bestowed on the aristocrats.

    Fukuyam explains a rather paradoxical aspect of recognition where, if the rest of the society doesn’t have any thing worthy of honour, what good is for the aristocrat if the honour is coming from people with no dignity? Hegel says, the rest of the society earn honor, dignity and recognition by changing the world around them through the sciences and arts and other bodies of knowledge. If one is to read the said divide almost the divide between the “master” and the “slave”, ultimately the “slave” revolts against the “master” for recognition including his common language to be recognized as well. French Revolution in 1789, Russian Revolution in 1917 were revolutions for recognition not to mention the wind of change that swept across Africa in the 60s.

    Now as well, we see that when the traditional political platform of Liberal Democratic parties was Economic Equality and Social Safety; the Conservative or Center Right parties were for Deregulation, Small Government and Individual Liberties; Progressive parties were for Workers and Trade Unions, the Liberal Democrats turned their agenda to Black, Women, Latinos and Gender equalities and the Center Right shifted into Race, Ethnicity and Religion instead. The central political dynamics became all about recognition.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. There should be absolutely no apologies given nor any accepted until full implementation of the Peace Agreement is completed to include demarcation and withdrawal of TPLF from Eritrean land.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam FishMilk,

      I would add to underscore your point and say: until the issue of succession would be properly disposed of by responsible and representative government in both countries. In 1991, the collapse of government in Addis Ababa following the escape of Mengistu gave the TPLF and EPLF, and behind them the USA as the principal player in shaping up the post Derg administration, the excuse to ignore settling issues pertaining to succession in governance, and conclude the bloody conflict with the referendum. To clarify it suffices to mention the issue of pensions as an example.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Ismail AA. Sorry but you are simply seeing matters through Ethiopianist eyes. Eritrea for far more than a century, long before the 1952 UN General Assembly illegally passed resolution 390 to federate Eritrea with Ethiopia, simply never desired to be a part of Ethiopia. Are you willing to accept the U.N.’s 1952 resolution 390 but refute The UN Observer Mission to Verify the Referendum in Eritrea (UNOVER) pursuant to General Assembly resolution 47/114 of 16 December 1992 and which lasted until 25 April 1993? You can’t have selective acceptance of the U.N.’s legitimacy.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam FishMilk,

          Not sure about what you mean by “Ethiopianist eyes”. I am not speaking about international legality or otherwise. All the things you mentioned are indisputable, and there is no case of selection or issues pending regarding sovereignty as officiated under working international norms of nation-state system. The point we are discussing is in reference of people to governance relations. When an authority over the affairs of people terminates and supplanted by another, there are norms and mechanisms that regulate succession. After abrogation of the federation, imperial rule assumed control of affairs of the Eritrean people. When the Ethiopians exited by force of arms in 1991, there had to be restoration of national authority. This process entailed regulation of people’s affairs by way who owed the other what. This is what the succession in content and essence is . Hope the point is clear without going to details.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Ismail AA. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry but I misunderstood you to be referring to succession of states/successor states.

    • Acria

      Selam FishMilk,

      Apologies are part and parcel of the peace process. They encourage, supplement, and accelerate the rapprochement that is undertaking lately. For the record, I was willing to let go of Badme in 1998 to avoid the unnecessary and bloody war of 1998-2000! Most PFDJ supporters were saying ” no we can’t let go of Badme. It is Badme now then another land next!” Most of them forgot that Eritrea was an independent nation and a member of the AU and UN. We did have other avenues to solve the problem. If we really love Eritrea and Eritreans, we need to stop practicing ‘Derek’ politics. Dogmatism is an enemy of our progress. We need to let go of the border issue once and for all. It was never a problem and will not be a problem.

      Our DIA even got the concept now that he is saying border is not an issue! Even PMAA lectured us the same concept: African borders are drawn by colonizers and we shouldn’t dwell on them! What I am trying to say is that the issue of demarcation is accepted as part of the rapprochement. It will be demarcated sometime in the future. Personally, I don’t fret about the border. The most important thing between Eritrea and Ethiopia is to create a lasting peace through an atmosphere of trust ( apology will help here), through economic and security partnership ( as outlined in the peace deal), and through free movement of the people between the two countries ( as it is happening now).

      Our main problem in Eritrea is not the border issue, it is the lack of democracy, lack of accountability, one party know-all dogmatic principle, and some of the sycophants that are supporting the regime despite its wrong-doings. Let’s keep the process going and at the same time clean our house.

  • David Samson

    Selam Emma,
    I probably use not more than 20 words during a typical conversation and that should make me to be an illiterate.
    How and why none of our educated class challenged the corruptions of words. ቁጠባ is surely ‘Savings’. Unless I am missing something, saving is a direct translation of ቁጠባ.
    How come an Economy is related to ቁጠባ? Yes, we have saving and spending terms in an economy, but by no means could define the entire discipline.

    • Blink

      Dear David
      How on earth you able to participate in PFDJ meeting in London with 20 Tigrinya words at your head ?

      Do you just forgot what you said in this forum?

      Saving can be ምቕማጥ while ቁጠባ can be different from ምቑጣብ which is at one circle a related words for different purpose but for you and Amanuel to try to get valid push against EPLF cultural dept of the old days is cheap and both of you are not even fit to say a word. If it was not for EPLF you and Meles admirer would 100% speak Amharic or a twisted Arabic . Remember ELF at its infants stage was calling people like Mr.Amanuel , what ? Ask him he will tell you in private because he can not say it in public.

      Infact EPLF was the engine of Eritrean mother languages while others tried to invent foreign languages based on their prayers, do you think you would hear saho , bilen , Afar and other languages music if it was give to the ELF typists specialist( ask there are ELF labour hidden party typists in this forum ) of the old days ?

      Remember the above comment of yours , you said you can barley speak 20 words or if I misunderstood your point you have the chance to clear it with out using bad words.

      • David Samson

        Blink,
        Here you have it again!
        I have repeatedly requested that I am not interested to have any debate with you. Since you are not being warned by moderators, you take it as a sign of ‘I can do whatever I like attitude’. Please skip my name. Please refrain from using my name. Is it too much to ask?

        • Blink

          Dear David
          Ok , did I use bad words so that the moderator can do your wish ? I mean you are accusing Eritreans and you wanted people to stay silent while you run over their history? How is that possible you think I am going to pass over . You can just forget to reply though .

          • David Samson

            Blink,
            My comments are not addressed to you because I am not interested to have a debate with you. In case you have not understood yet, I am exchanging with a person called ‘Amanuel’, not Blink. You are an attention seeker and inviting yourself to a debate since most people either ignore you, or do not want to engage you.
            As I had promised, I would have given you a pound-for-pound fight, but since this site does not display a level playing field, the moment I had stepped up my gear, I was reminded to tone down my language. You are the last person to lecture me on who or not is an Eritrean.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi David,
            When an exchange goes out of line, moderators do not act like judges because the motive is an appeal to tone down. You should take it at face value for the sanity of the forum, not as a sentece or a verdict. Otherwise, it will exacerbate the situation. And moderators expect the responsible and sensible person would heed the advice and tone down even if they feel it was not their mistake. You do not want the moderators to hold court on silly issues!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dave,

      In the EPLF (PFDJ) universe, it is always the winners takes all, as in the sphere of language choices, literature, economy ownership, political governing , cultural values, social engineering, and so on. So the tigrigna language is a victim of their policy the same as in all aspect of lives of our people.

      To come to your point, there are many inappropriate vocabularies that are imposed to the tigrigna social group as part of their social and cultural engineering to shape our societies in their image. So you have noted ቁጠባ, ምቁጣብ should mean either to “saving or economizing” as oppose to “economy” which has broader meaning that encompasses natural resources, gross national products and its distributions. Economy shows “ ዓቀን ሃብቲ ሃገር“. While saving ( ቁጠባ) hasn’t political implication, economy (ምጣነ-ሃብቲ) has political implication as in politico-economy. EPLF want to show uniqueness in a weird way.

  • bardavidi

    Hello to all of you again.

    Its all with good intention to expect an Apology from Ethiopian Leaders for what their previous rulers had done to Eritrea but one shall not dwell on it, since todays Ethiopians are not directly responsible for those actions……………Dwelling on the apology of others is usually used as an Excuse for not moving forward with Reconciliation……………We have to leave the Past in order to move to the Future……….Looking backwards will inhibit us from moving to the Bright and Shinny Future………..Selah.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother bardavidi ,

      While I agree the entire post above with you but then it should be for the same reason from both sides and it should be from our head the same to our case…

      KS,,

    • Blink

      Dear bardavid
      How do you think the process of reconciliation can go forward ? Does reconciliation between the two can happen without either side admitting the mistakes done on either side . I know for example I will pass my understanding to my kids and certainly will tell them that Eritreans started migrating in 1967 due to hailesilassie genocidal policy over Eritreans .This doesn’t mean Ethiopians from all walks of life approved Hailesilassie , Dergi or even Meles policy over Eritreans. But it must be an equal claim as that of 3000 years Ethiopia, some people tried to bailout Ethiopian leaders mistakes by saying they never approved over the leaders policy and that is simply irresponsible or ignorantly evil to assum Meles was not PM Ethiopia or was not responsible for the roping and deportation of 90,000 Eritreans.

      Reconciliation means setting everything on the table and settle .

  • Nitricc

    Hi Girmay; my strong desire and firm stand that the border should be demarcated and the court decision is implemented, not that I am anti Tigray or I fear Tigray but if this thing doesn’t concluded according the verdict, then whenever there is disagreement between the brotherly people they go back to war in excuse of Badime or the Border. The future generation will live in danger. By concluding this border thing according the verdict and then the two people will live in peace forever. Their existence tied together. If they are going to be developed and prosper economically; they
    have to work together in harmony. Speaking of living in harmony, what is going between Tigray and Amara states? Tigray is on in Kimant and Amara is on in Raya. The proxy war is on and the real one to follow. Tigray is falling behind.The people of Tigray should not be held hostage by aging TPLF gangs. TPLF should have been part of the change and secure their place on the new federal government; instead, they are retreating to Meqelle leaving wide open for Oromo and Amara to rule you over un checked. If that is
    not enough, I thing PIA conspiring against the TPLF leadership. I think there is a plan between PIA and PMAA to bring TPLF leadership to its knee. If not why would PIA go to Amara state while never been in Tigray? I think TPLF messed with the wrong person.

  • haileTG

    Hi Awatista,

    Language, of course, is knowledge, and in our world today knowledge is one of the key factors in competitiveness. Brains and knowledge are what create the prosperity and growth we hope to see in our country.

    Throughout history, many have reflected on the importance of language. For instance, the scholar Benjamin Whorf has noted that language shapes thoughts and emotions, determining one’s perception of reality. John Stuart Mill said that “Language is the light of the mind.” Lionel Groulx, a Quebec historian, put it this way: “Chacun retient toutefois que la suprême révélation du génie national, la clef magique qui donne accès aux plus hautes richesses de la culture, c’est la langue.” meaning “Everyone holds, however, that the supreme revelation of the national genius, the magic key that gives access to the highest wealth of culture, is the language.”

    If we now look at the spoken, written and literary heights of the Tigrinya language, it suffice to say that it is a stagnated rather than underdeveloped language. The competency of Tigrinya education doesn’t even enter high school level. What this say about the speakers of that language’s cultural groups? If there is no avenue to develop the language, could there be another avenue for developing the society. Seriously speaking, Amharic is far more developed and versatile enough to absorb developmental needs far more than Tigrinya.

    The linguist Edward Sapir once observed that language is not only a vehicle for the expression of thoughts, perceptions, sentiments, and values characteristic of a community; it also represents a fundamental expression of social identity. Sapir said: “the mere fact of a common speech serves as a peculiar potent symbol of the social solidarity of those who speak the language.” In short, language retention helps maintain feelings of cultural kinship.

    What do awatista think about this grave problem that we are a society without a viable language or linguistic capabilities. It seems very concerning to me, I hope our weekend congress adopts the issue as agenda and discuss it 🙂

    • Paulos

      Selam HaileTG,

      This is good stuff. Thank you. You will have to forgive me and bear with me for I will be everywhere not to ፍትውቲ ሓፍተይ’s point about our ክቡር ብረዚደንት though. She is right in a way for he is pulling Quantum phenomena on us.

      Back to the issue. From our physical nature point of view, three attributes have given us leverage over any other species on Earth: Big brains, Language and Dexterity of hands. From metaphysical point of view, however, we are moral agents with the ability to make choices between right and wrong; good and bad as well. I will come to these two dichotomy later on. The question is, can language fully express the reality around us? This was precisely the genius of Ludwig Wittgenstein who practically challenged the established traditional Western Philosophy when he said that, our inability to fully grasp the true nature of the reality around us is because the either spoken or written language we use is insufficient or grammatically limited. More over, we rely on mathematical formulations to describe the inner workings of nature but again mathematics itself is not fully equipped to translate nature in a way that our mind can grasp it. All in all however, language and mathematics have thus far helped us not only to get by but to be selected for by the forces of evolution.

      Now back to your question as to why some languages flourish and some stagnate or don’t. Well, the easy answer I would think is that the society or culture that rules the day would have its language flourish and acquires more power over others where Gramsci’s “Cultural Hegemony” and “Marxian Super-Structure” comes to mind. For instance, Latin was the most powerful language when the Romans ruled most part of the world; French was the most powerful language for over two centuries before the sun refused to set on the British Empire when Britain conquered almost 45% of the world including the seas and English language took its turn. Thus, language is directly linked to a nation’s political clout and economic standing as well.

      I see the stagnation of languages from philosophical and political point of view. Again, I ask you to beat with me. The function of language of course is not limited to express the external world but each and everyone of us are autonomous beings with unique realities and feelings, and we need language to express our inner-self. The key word here is inner-self. If we live in a society that dectates all the moral codes for us and if the moral codes are not in tune with our inner-feelings, we find ourselves crippled and the fact that we are limited by the moral values imposed on us, the language becomes stagnant precisely because freedom to express is curtailed. This is actually one of the cardinal arguments stated by Rousseau when he blamed the social ailments of his era to man’s inability to fully become free and live an authentic life—lack of freedom as every individual understands what freedom is not what the society tells the person what freedom is.

      If we divert the above stated argument and frame it in a political discourse, we can see that, lack of political institutions where the rights, freedom and equality of Man is not enshrined causes limitations and arrests the languages of a given society. That is to say that, if Tigrinya language is stagnated, it can be seen with in the social and political lights of the nation.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Paulos,

        Your linking of political and social stagnation with that of stagnation in linguistic development is accurate. In fact, it may be fair to say that the Dergue and PFDJ era’s were particularly worse, respectively in order of severity, to the progress of the Tigrinya language. But the second part of the equation is Tigray. Tigray had just passed its hey days in recent Ethiopian history, i.e. Tigrayan dominated central government. In what way has this been translated into actual growth of the language? So, even if your argument is (should be) valid as it relates to Eritrean situation and how it lead to linguistic stagnation, the case of Tigray seems counter intuitive in the same light. Tigray had developed several Universities and had the state machinary for almost three decade, but it is doubtful that this had any noticiable benefit to the development of language.

        The second and main concern is that if there ever going to be any real opportunity for the language to grow in the future, because there are no institutional or infrustractural indications whatsoever that anything like that could be happening in the forseeable future. This leads me to question whether a social group can actually exist without common language? Already, very few diaspora born Eritreans can muster few lines of broken Tigrinya sentences. Hence, their link to the country is actually demolished at a fundamental and profound level.

        Inside the country, Tigrinya has no means to compete with larger languages as English or Arabic (it is even far far behind Amharic!). So, we are facing an existencial threat, me thinks!

        PS: Any Agazian in the house, this is not in support of your convoluted stand, it is a general debate on languages from historical and political perespectives and what they point to ahead.

        • Paulos

          Selam HaileTG,

          Thanks again for the interesting input. Will try to say more tonight or on the weekend.

        • David Samson

          Selam Haile,

          Welcome to the club— the Agazian nation😊
          I listened to a programme on Radio Erena a while ago. One of the Radio’s reporters, John, went to Mekelle to conduct an interview with a certain writer, who has written Tigrigna book. The interviewer, John, was surprised to see many of the road signs, advertisements boards and names of business are written in Amharic. He asked the writer: why Tigrigna language has been relegated in preference to Amharic? And the chap ducked the question— he did not give a valid reason.

          I have not collaborated it with a second source yet, but I have read that Yohnnes declared Amharic to be his official language after he had become a king.

          • Saleh Johar

            David,
            I don’t know if you know this but Amharic was considered the language of royalty weel before the time of Yohannes. That is how it expanded south and east. It was aking to Latin in Europe and that influence trying to appear royal that made other people adopt it.

          • David Samson

            Selamat Saleh,
            According to ‘Kbre Negest’, most Abyssinian’s kings were Amharic Speakers. One assumes, as Yoahnnes was from Tigray, he might have preferred his mother tongue language to be the official lingo franca. I do not want to hijack the topic, but I have the feeling that most Tigryans have always been comfortable with Amharic language. Despite all the invasions by outsiders for centuries, my ancestors have lost their mother tongue.

        • Paulos

          Selam HaileTG,

          As a side note, Isaias seems to have the habit of injecting kinda either new Tigrinya words or translating English words to Tigrinya every time he does an interview. If you noticed, last week he said the word ፍሳሃ a couple of times and we normally do not use the word even to express happiness, we say ሓጎስ instead. I certainly give him credit for enriching the Tigrinya language.

          You raised a valid point where you rightly pointed it out that Tigrinya in Tigrai and if it has flourished and if the prerequisite to have as I tried to argue is political institutions as in freedom of speech and expression in place. Well, hard to say but I will say this, given the history of that part of Ethiopia, Tigreans under the King and the Colonel were not proud enough to use Tigrinya including writing letters where they preferred to use Amharic instead. Given that dire reality as an index, one can argue that Tigrinya in Tigrai under the Weyanes has come a long way.

          The second point you raised is equally valid where language for social groups is not only a collective identity but it can be a powerful tool for political unity as well. In the 1960s, in his “African Socialism” overarching political agenda or as it was known as Ujamaa, Julius Nyerere campaigned through out the nation for people to speak only Kiswahili in a bid to unite the people under a common identity. And it worked where the common language eclipsed religious and ethnic divide.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        Well argued on you side. As contrarian to Haile-TG’s argument , I could argue that “tigrigna” is revitalized by the ghedli generation and hasn’t stagnated since then vocabulary wise. However, the problem remains on standardizing it as a linguistic literature, due to the nature of the regime we have, who is antithesis of enlightenment and education. To despise our educated class: “አብ ምምሕደራዊ ሸነኻት መራሕቲ መስርዕ ካብ MBA ዘለዎም ምሁራት ከምዝበልጹ እኮ ተንቢሁ ነይሩ’ዩ:: Even if you think we are inadequate in literature, the problem squarely lies with regime we have.

        • David Samson

          Selam Emma,
          I am illiterate in Tigringa but would not exclude me to have a swipe at the language practised by EPLF. Take for instance the word, ‘Economy’. How on earth someone translate it to ‘Kuteba’? I like the word used by ELF: MiTaneHabti, which sounds like the meaning of the word in English: allocation of resources. MmTana is a valid Tigringa word, so does Habti. In fact, I refused to use the word ‘Kuteba’, and at times put me at odds with many Eritreans.

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          Certainly Ghedli might have phased out for lack of a better word most of the injected Amharic words on to Tigrinya and substituting them with either newly coined words or bringing to the fore words that had been made obsolete during the previous regimes.

          Thing is, when Ghedli played a major role in revitalizing Tigrinya, after independence, however, Tigrinya was arrested so to speak for it could’ve potentially grown through literature of myriad persuasions in scope and in content free of any censorship. The same can be said in open debates about ideas in political, social, cultural and other pertinent issues.

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG,

      Indeed, language shapes how we think and how we behave. Unless we have developed language to think, we will always be left behind. It is just difficult to achieve enlightened when you cannot communicate within your mind in a developed language. I have always argued that we lack enough vocabulary to understand certain terminologies and concepts. And that makes us intellectually poor unless we depend on other languages.

      By the way, can you help translate the following: Reflection, comprehension, thinking, calculating, counting, internalizing, rationalizing, conceiving, guessing, considering, envisioning—all of that in relation to the mind, in the thinking faculty.

      • Paulos

        ሰላም ኣያይ,

        ይቕሬታ እንድሕር ወጠምጠም ኢለ for your question was for HaileTG.

        One of the reasons Western Philosophy flourished in Germany is that the language for reasons that are not well known is at ease to express otherwise abstract ideas. And that was precisely the reason most translated either to English or other languages, German philosophical treatise particularly Emmanuel Kant’s work [Critique of Pure Reason, for instance] lose their real gusto if you will.

        • Saleh Johar

          Paulos,
          You do not have to say that. Actually, when I respond to someone, I expect anyone reading my comment to reply for we can learn from many others. Your reply was along what I expected. Imagine if most Eritreans were limited to our own languages, we wouldn’t have great thinkers like you, HaileTG and the others. We are lucky to have access to other languages from which we can learn. By the way, that is my main reason for fighting those who advocate for Tigrinya and Tigrayit, denying many Eritreans whose language of learning is Arabic. I always think what do they have as an alternative for those who think in Arabic since it is the “living” language with which they think. Unfortunately, we do not think about intellectual growth as much as we see languages as only political tools. I am glad Eritreans have learned many languages that are contributing to our intellectual growth as a people–as you know, having a rich language is the first step towards the path to enlightenment–which we lack as a people. It saddens me when I see people who should know better consider language in its folkloric values alone.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Thank you for those kind words. I would say, that is the reason responsible governments heavily invest on education. When education train citizens on how to think critically including abstract ideas and concepts, the need for words to express them becomes duly imperative.

            Consider this: Someone who lives in an agrarian society would need limited words so to speak to define his surroundings. But when the means of production is transformed to factories with machines and structured bureaucracies, new words start to get introduced for, for instance there was no such a word called “machine” 10, 000 years ago during the Agrarian Revolution. The same can be said about say, “Software” during the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century.

            The question then arises, if these are the products of the West, how do the rest of the world including Eritrea are brought up to speed not only about the new innovation and invention but the language that comes with it? Education and free media is the answer! Me thinks.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Thank you; that was the point I was trying to make though lacking on my side might have failed me in articulating it. Vibrant cultures develop accommodative languages when need for new ideas and tools call for it. As you have indicated, there were no such words as “ሽኮር ” and “ፊኖ” either in Tigrinya or Saho in Eritrea before the arrival of Yemeni Arabs and Italians. Some cultures have rendered their languages so flexible that they overcame needs to coin meaningful and relevant terms in sciences and other disciplines.

            As you had mentioned elsewhere the German language is one of them. But the Dutch language excels any other in easily capturing new ideas and names of tools and incorporating them in their languages. They simply create verbs and infinitives from any noun in other languages especially the English language. For example: the noun “internet” become a verb by transforming to an infinitive without failing to vocal and consonant requirements in their language. Hence, internet becomes internetten; email e-mail emaillen or tennis to tennissen, and that satisfy grammatical tenses perfectly.

          • Blink

            Dear SG
            Just a question, why would the Tigrayit and Tigrinya give space for Arabic while they have too much in common in between them ? Would not it be better for both of them to develop and guard their culture and existence. Does religion has to decide over your mother language ? I mean why is it your own mother language needed to be destroyed , I still don’t get it from different angle while I do understand the Arabic thing .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            The damage people like you did to the intellectual wellbeing of Eritrea since the fifties is huge. That is because you have so much politicized language you would rather condemn Eritreans to languages that do not have the ability to advance the horizon of the mind. Tigrinya is my language but I can’t say I learned much through Tigrinya compared to other living languages. So, our languages have no value beyond basic communication and cultural benefit. Just recognize that and you will be fine. Your statements, “people want a language of their prayer…. “ is so shallow if not bigoted. If you need to debate this, you need a clipper to make your language appealing and I promise to engage you.

      • haileTG

        Selamat SGJ (and blink, Emma, Dave and Paul)

        Wittgenstein said that “the limits of my language are the limits of my world”. This is such a subtle observation that it takes a particular bend of the mind to grasp it. What Wittgenstein realized is that our behavior and language coalesce in such a way that the patterns of our language are what dictate the nature of our experience. The very way that we interact with, and react to, the world and each other on an immediate and visceral level is completely dependent upon the meaning, usage, structure, and grammar of the language in which we think and communicate. In other words, meaning is an activity, and our language is our world.

        Further, Wittgenstein understood that a language contains walls. Speaking a language restricts your thought and your mind to a specific format. Any given language is created to express the reality of a specific land /country . That is why those who live in cold climate have so many words about snow and people living in a dessert have few at most.How you can explain snow to someone that has never seen and doesn’t have a word for that ? you describe it as cold water? as water that looks like stone? whatever you do it will not be able to express to the other person the reality correctly.Language limits you .

        In this context, it is clear that language represents both freedom and limitations for which we need to work for. Given that Tigrinya has been well developed in Eritrea to the point of translating the bible so flawlessly, but ended up being neglected in the recent times.

        Emma: I wonder why Tigrinya hadn’t been made to regroup again in Tigray during the last three decades? If language is the limit of our world, it is pretty embarrassing to notice that currently we have no national Tigrinya competency above elementary school level.

        Paulos: IA has a very solid command of the Tigrinya language. I also heard that he commands the Arabic language to a high standard (I wouldn’t be able to judge this as I don’t speak it). He may have a natural intelligence that is strong on the linguistic aspect.

        Blink: I agree with the increased productions in the performance arts in Tigrinya. The question is that the GoE had done no formal policy implementation to integrate the development of the language across the curriculum and promote research in Tertiary education in this area.

        Dave: Hatse Yohannes must be arada 🙂

        • Paulos

          Selam HaileTG,

          This certainly is great for a weekend well spent. Thank you again. Here are some of the stuff I will try to touch on.

          1. Language as a conveyor of information and if it is just information, can we find a link with in the area of Theoretical Physics.

          2. Can we see language with in a reductionist point of view where if it can be reduced not only to its basic constituents but is there “atomic” nature in it?

          3. This is probably a bit dry and boring but is language innate [as in if there is a gene-language] or learned where we will have to explore Chomsky’s territory.

          P.S. If however ክቡር መራሒና decides to give the second part of the interview from Gonder or Bahirdar, we will have to talk about language some other time out of respect for ክቡር መራሒና።

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan Haile, and Paulos,

          Pleasehelp me understand this:

          Once a PFDJ person said that when they translate, the norm was to search on local languages if they cannot find a translation for a certain word. I think they end up borrowing Arabic words because of the similarity of construction (as they say, Semitic origin though I do not buy that long help belief) . For example, they wanted a word for MOTOR and ended up with the Arabic Muharik. It does the job as far as translating is concerned, but can we say the word has become part of Tigrinya as soon as it was translated? How many people would not know what a Motor is? How is its effect on the development of the society if it is limited to an article or a book that doesn’t reach all, and if its use it limited?

          I read the bible in Tigrinya decades ago. I understand the words from context but if you take many words and ask Tigrinya speakers for their meaning, how many do you think they know the meaning if taken out of the bible?

          Is a language developed because we translated a few (or many) words without teh words become part of everyday life? We boast of an ancient language (geez) and I suspect there is a treasure trove in monastries that need to be scrutinized–I am dying to see old Geez books on philosophy, history, mythology, theology translated into Tigrinya. Maybe that would be a starting point on a few generations-long quest for knowledge.

          Let me give you a personal example. I am doing several projects that I have been working on for four years now. I have researched, noted, and learned so much I wonder what I would have done if I didn’t know other languages besides Tigrinya or Tigrayit. By the way, most of my references are Arabic youtube videos and Libraries. I use Wikipedia to get sources and then I search for the sources in libraries or online. Then I compare what is out there in our languages and I get disappointed–it’s all related to our current situation, nothing bet=yond that. And I understand how bad the PFDJ has damaged Eriteans. If not for them we would have bee discussing other vital issues and learning…. and advancing instead of being bogged down in a struggle for justice and freedom which we should have taken for granted. And then there comes someone and tells me to drop the knowledge access vehicle that I have. It’s sad.

          Do you remember any translation after the humble attempts of our literary giants like Pastor Musa Aron who translated some books from English? I say this remembering the Arabic translations of ancient Greek philosophy, physics, mathematics, etc, that Europe translated and it contributed to kick-starting the renaissance. Our intellectual challenges have become limited on arguing why our race is better than the other, or how it is vital that we keep the Weyane-PFDJ feud alive. Sad.

          Sorry, if I veered too far 🙂

          • haileTG

            Selamat SGJ,

            (So many great ideas flowing here that it is hard to pick which one to take on…thanks awatista!)

            When the work of developing and expanding such vast issue as language is left to political entities, the result is usually disappointing. Your question necessitated a reflection on the standard of approach and methodology used during translation. We lack on both counts. When we translate a word, the first objective is utility. I.e. to get on with the job of finding a terminology. The second is however more serious, it imprints a basic format into how the language is going to be used from that point on. Now, if we are not careful on the latter, clarity and understanding in the mind of the speaker will be undermined. This brings me to etymology.

            Take for example the English word “digest” as in food digested in the body. This word traces back to Latin ‘di’ meaning ‘apart’ and ‘gerere’ move. The concept of digestion needs to include these two aspects. Digetion is not simply ‘dissolve’/ ‘grind’ or ምሕቃቕ/ ምጥሓን. It needs to take account to the movement aspect of the concept too. So, what Tigrinya word or compound word can be found that takes into account both aspects of the concept? Because, by the concept of digestion, we are to note the gradual breakdown of the material as it moves along. Any one then looking to understand the concept in Tigrinya can relate it to its origin and why it is the way it is. That allows us to have etymological consistency to move forward expanding and developing the idea for which the language points to.

            Syntax, Semantics and Pragmatics are the areas that need to be carefully constructed when we venture to expanding our vocabularies. For example, my usage of biological term (object language) by using English (metalanguage in this case) shows the fact that as long as I pay enough attention and care to the metalanguage aspect then any object language can be constructed. This supports your position that the Arabic language as well as many other languages (including the source Geez) are all important sources for constructing object language. The metalanguage in which case becomes Tigrinya and it simply gets updated, upgraded, expanded, grown or anything else by way of that.

            The main problem, as you explained, is the politicization of issues into deeper identity and power realms. Imagine what percentage of Eritrean highland speaks Amharic as opposed to Tigrayt? Keren is around the corner from Asmara compared to Gondar, but what is the verdict? Language should be studied and developed purely in scientific type approach.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Shifting….just read your tweeter and the “…now you may kiss the bride” is really funny. Thanks for the laugh.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh J.,

            To be honest, I saw your thoughtful input yesterday evening. But I was distracted by some personal matter and couldn’t do more than upvoting the comments.

            Now, I could see Haile responded to your questions and inquiries with good explanation that added to our understanding. So, on my part, I can only say that our society and others similar to ours in the geographic proximities we are located had lagged so much in cultural transformations and social openings to innovations and ideas of enlightenments that they have become inward looking in world views.

            Lack of self-rule and foreign dominations had worsened the situation. They have become docile and constrained by structured social and cultural conservatism in contrast to societies that opened up to knowledge. This operation helped in growth and enrichment of language through many mechanisms such as translations (as you have mentioned) and introducing linguistic patterns (grammar) to expand incorporative space for new terms and words that improved mediums of reception and transmission. Needless to restate, at the center of the social and cultural conservatism sat the political organization (authority) that rendered the relationship between itself and the subjects (ruled) cumbersome impediment to interaction with vibrant societies.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat (Haile-TG),

          You have brought very interesting subject “language” as the vehicle of knowledge and enlightenments for human being. Therefore, the subject “language” as important as it is, we should not let it be limited to commentary under different article only. We need an article or essay on the subject language, all for purposes of educational references in conjunction to Eritrean languages. I notice some notable arguments and references, between you, Dr Paulos, Ismailo, and few others that warrant the subject a full blown essay to get a place in the front page of Awate.

          Just imagine if it generate this much debate from a single commentary from your side, then it will be an exciting subject when it comes framed in an article or essay format with references, to educate and re-educate each other. I have no doubt that the article or essay will be the source of references for other articles and essays as long as language remains the vehicle of all subjects. So I call upon you, Dr Paulos, Ismailo, Beyan, or anyone of your caliber to come up with an article on the subject. Let us give it’s importance by bringing it in to the front page of Awate.

          With respect.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I certainly agree that the subject matter deserves a full blown article worthy of appearing on Awate front page. That said however, as much as language is our signature as species so to speak, it becomes rather daunting to contain it with in a specific light. That is to say that, it can be seen with myriad of contexts. Will try to highlight in a bid to clarify the breadth of the scope.

            Perhaps most of us Habeshas know of Naom Chomsky through his political and social activism particularly through his notable lecture, the “Manufacturing Consent.” In the 60s however, as much as he is a linguist by trade, he hypothesized that language is innate where we all are born hardwired with instinctive understanding of languages or grammar as he put it.

            Language, for us, he said comes natural as we walk upright without anyone teaching us on how to walk upright. His theory of course stands in a sharp contrast to John Locke’s “Tabula Raza” for, instance but it has survived the test of time as research in Neuroscience later on attested.

            Well, thing is though, if we all are one and the same as species, why don’t we have a single universal language? We probably had where the “Tower of Babel” comes to mind when God decided to distinct the common language of the people who built a ladder to reach the heavens. When that was one version of putting the diversity of languages in a context, the more recent theory goes, language carries a streak of adaptation where it evolves in reaction to the surrounding where it is practiced.

            Consider this: It is said that there are over 6000 spoken languages in the world where a big chunk of it is Mandarin where it is spoken by over a billion people for obvious reasons. But interestingly, Jesuit missionaries while in India in the 17 century noticed similarities between the Sanskrit, Greek and Latin languages where further research indicated that they all descended from a common language which was later dubbed Indo-European language. The diversity that came along down the line was the result of varied environmental adaptations* when people started to immigrate further up from India. The same can be said about Geeze when it gave rise to Tigrait then to Tigrinya and Amharic.

            *One certainly is tempted to see it with in Evolutionary dogma where the main tenets are: Random Mutation, Variation and Natural Selection and of course results in survival.

          • haileTG

            Hi Paulos,

            I second you in agreeing with Aman H for his thoughtful observation in this regard. In this brief entry I would try to deviate the discussion into the mystical realms in order to enrich it by adding the other side of the coin, which is the scientific side.

            The first letter of the Sanskrit is ‘a’ (in its phonic sound) and the last one is ‘h’ again in its phonic sound. And the Sanskrit word for ‘I’ or the inner core self (consciousness or Atman – the divinity within) is “aham”, made out of the first and last letters. In this sense, it is considered that the entire letters from a – h and all their possible combinations to create language is used to name the entire forms in the universe. Therefore, according to such teachings, language is a manifestation of the divine and use and misuse of language has grave responsibility and risk respectively to the one uttering it. For those with teenage children, this is a great secret to warn the young to watch their mouth.

            Our usage of language is far deeper than simple exchange of information. In fact, the quality of one’s life is directly impacted by the quality of language they use. Language is at the heart of relationships. The only safe way of using language in life is to employ it to express Truth, Beauty and Love. Stepping out of that it is a kind of ‘@ your own risk’. One’s choice of everyday words and communication has severe potential to disturb the hearer and the one uttering it, as can be noted in this forum sometimes. So, tell the kids to clean up their vocabulary and the world will be better as a result 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            This is precisely the reason that we keep coming back to this Forum to learn great things from people like you. I didn’t know the mystical realm of languages as you have eloquently put it. Thank you Hailat.

    • Blink

      Dear Haile TG
      Remember there are people who used their whole life accusing the Tigrinya speakers for making Tigrinya music , drama and many things ( in Eritrea ) ,to the opposite I think in Tigray TPLF culture department blow it and Amharic eat them alive . Remember most TPLF cadre are wasting their time convincing the Amhara by speaking their ( Amharic language) . Tigrinya has survived this far and I don’t see how it will get smashed out by Amharic. I think Tigrinya needs an investment in the software industry that in order to battle out the internet network system. Most African immigrants some way or another are being put in two groups 1 Franco 2 English and other languages of colonial powers. So I think you guys need to be optimistic about this because as I can see it is not all bad .

    • Selam HTG,

      A language that has an alphabet from ancient times is richer than other languages, because it has written records which are not forgotten easily as spoken words, and they remain for posterity on which they develop further their languages. The richness of languages derived from latin and greek owe their richness to their mother format. Other languages like arabic, chinese and others, that also have alphabets are rich languages, too. What has gone wrong as much as the geez derived languages of amharic and tigrinya are concerned? Shouldn’t they have been rich (richer) as others, or they are already are?

      The good thing is that they do not look like dying languages, either. I think that change develops language and language in its turn brings development. What comes to my mind is the new vocabulary that have been introduced to the amharic language during the last two political changes in ethiopia. I am not sure if ethiopians were aware of, or if they ever used in their everyday life, words like (ኣብዮት፣ መቅረፍ…… ወዘተ), before the changes came to ethiopia. It shows that amharic is a developing language, albeit gradually. The difference between the amharic and tigrinya languages may be due to the fact that like many other widely spoken languages, Amharic succeeded to become the language of political change and any change in ethiopia for that matter, which brought with it the introduction of new words at different times.

      As much as tigrinya is concerned, as a language based on the ancient language of geez, it has the chance to develop. As to the use of the latin alphabet in the oromo language, i remember an oromo writer lamenting about writing a full page using the latin alphabet, when one could have written the same thing in half a page if the geez alphabet were used. Here is a good example of politics making the biggest linguistic damage of a whole ethnic group.

      Amharic as a widely spoken language is among the pillars that keep the country standing together. Disdain for the federal working language in some regional states due to political reasons has already a negative impact on the young, who have to travel to other regions to find jobs and higher education.

      Multilingualism in a country has advantages, but i think that it has its drawbacks, too. It gives the beauty of the different cultures, but at the same it weakens cohesion, and may bring the absence of a strong and a united common national feeling. A developed multilingualism and a developed common language that ties the people together may be the solution for multilingual countries like ethiopia. One good book written in tigrinya, oromo language, etc, could be translated to the commonly spoken language, so that it is read by all citizens of the country.

      Finally:
      -What about introducing scientific terminologies to our languages,
      -Is it necessary to invent new words for scientific terminologies, or is it better to use the already existing english terminologies that themselves come mainly from greek and latin?
      -If ethiopians and eritreans are easy learners of foreign languages.
      -Other africans seem to speak better english than ethiopians, (my opinion); is it because it is their main language starting from the day they set foot in school at their tender age, or what?
      -Some people seem to have a natural tendency to easily learn foreign languages. What about ethiopians and eritreans? Is there really the thing called natural tendency?
      -Children are supposed to learn language more easily than adults. Is it true?

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei Horizon.
        I have no idea about the word አብዮት…maybe it has its origin from Geez. But መቅረፍ is new in its usual usage. What is new is ችግር መቅረፍ… It is new and used as an excuse for using temporary solution instead of solving a certain problem once and for all. One of the reasons i hate Ethiopian government controlled media is the over used of ችግር መቅረፍ…

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile TG,

      To begin with, appreciation is due on part for your recurring initiatives to grace us with suggesting topics that pull us from ምኒያ ኾለል kind of debates. The substance and depth of this topic are relevant to, and challenge, to experts and erudite thinkers with intellectual and academic capacities rather than amateurs like me. Hoping he is well and fine, your call has must have rung in the ears of Dr. Beyan Negash. I have seen though the sharpest minds who frequent the pages of this forum have provided brilliant ideas that help to quench inquisitive minds like mine.

      Now, and in my humble view, I think (correct me if I sound bizarre) language and knowledge are NOT mutually exclusive. I mean there is no transmittable knowledge for whatever purpose it might be without language as there is storable knowledge without language (as medium). The mother of both is material need of human beings (in association or individually) in the context of scarcity, and spiritual need in the context of redemption in the other world for those who believe in faiths. Need and scarcity had motivated through history of the human race the urge to know and discover more for the purpose of survival of organized human races who developed their languages as tools for searching knowledge. Utility and operation of this process target the less developed and, therefore, weaker societies of human beings.

      What I have in mind at this point is for example the discovery of gunpower and firearms. It goes without saying that these needed first rationale (scarcity and need) and the motive of how to address them. Hence, the two weapons: language and knowledge. The expansion of the enlightened and inquisitive societies outside original abodes to discover new horizons and parts of the physical world were made possible due to knowledge of how to make firearms. Pitting firearms against clubs, arrows, knifes and swards gave us the verdict of history we read in the relationship of natives in the Americas and Australia, and lesser extent Africa for obvious reasons (slavery and the need for labor to weather the harsh conditions of developing resources of the newly discovered continents).

      To come back to specific examples cited, namely comparative statuses of Tigrinya and Amharic, and any other languages for that matter, development and expansion, (in my judgement i.e.) is relative to the state of conditions and history the concerned societies had passed or passing through. Here, the key is organization of the society and the way its affairs are discharged (qualities of governments). The more the latter is enlightened and responsive to the relationship of needs to scarcity, the more knowledge is aspired and language improved to attain the end. If I were to compare within selected time frame Latin or latter on the Romance or Anglo Saxon languages with for example Geez and Arabic, it makes sense to think that the lagging of the latter in becoming tools for new discoveries of knowledge was due to closed nature of culture and world views under inept governmental organizations. Language of the ruled is more often than not is the property of the rulers (feudal, imperial among t hem). Though ruling class languages get more space for expansion at the expense of other languages in constricted environments, yet they lag behind vis-a-vis other societies ruled under governments that had lost power to hamper discoveries of knowledge by enlightened members of particular societies.

      If we were to weigh things in such pattern, Amharic is at present better off than Tigrinya, and the latter is better off in the past two and more decades than others in its environment because Amharic was the language of the ruler longer. This concept would equip the mind better why the English language is dominant at this juncture of human existence on the globe.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Haile The Great.
      Long time ago a language teacher asked us what we have to do to sharpen our mind. Almost all of us came up with solving mathematical equation, read/study physics, etc. The teacher said if we want to sharpen our mind then the first thing we have to do is to study language preferably old language like Latin.

      • Acria

        Selam MM,
        I guess I have to collect my “Ge’ez” literature and sharpen my skills.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Acria.
          Yes, off course. We have to restore Ge’ez not only to sharpen our mind but also to learn more about our history.

  • Blink

    Dear people
    What is new ? Trump got his own bruises, an Eritrean and a smalli orgin elected to Congress it means nothing really . Qatar is the highest financial contribution to the lobbying of Brooking institution with over 2 million dollar spent to n nothing. Qatar sponsored many internet trolls to try sanction over KSA gone bad . Issias interview as always was a disappointment for all Eritreans as expected.
    Weyane are listening to Helen Meles’s song ዋርሳይ እዞም ሰባት መን እዮም ? Again What a time to be alive to see TPLF information unit write letter after letter pleading for their own mistake to be saved by Abiy . The welkayt and Raya card will be heating again . Like I said long time ago stay tuned for another day.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Isaias is heading to Gonder by passing Tigrai. Not sure if one should dub it እቲ ዘይጉሁድ ኩናት the undeclared war between Isaias and the Weyanes where the former is conspiring with Abiy and ADP to encircle Tigrai and the latter is trying to Isolate Isaias by winning the hearts and minds of Eritreans. As one had it, ምቕናይ ጥራሕ ምቕናይ!

    • Haile S.

      Good morning Paul,
      ዘይሓፍር ጻጸ ጎንደር ከይዱ ይላጸ። Is he entering Gonder through ትግሬ መጮህያ while ኣጼ ኣቢይ is waiting in Fasiledes Castle?

      • Paulos

        G. Morning Hailat,

        I was thinking more of a ዘይሓፍር ድሙ ገረማርያም ሽሙ፣ It is the whole nine yards so to speak including Abiy and his entire posse. Of course the heading says, his visit is to see developments and tour historical places as you have alluded to Fasiledes among others. But in reality it is to lay out a scheme on how to screw over and over the Weyanes and deep in his heart on how to destabilize Ethiopia so that he will have a shot on how to steal the Ethiopian show from Abiy the fool. Go figure!

      • David Samson

        Selam Haile,

        Thanks for detailed reply! I really appreciate it!
        As you are a ‘Skuf’ person, I would not be bothering you again. So, no more homework until the topic the same topic appears again. I also like your description of Habesha’s singers. No wonder why HaMan was a negative word, but I am going to use it as it fits them.

        • Haile S.

          Selamat David,
          Thank you. No worries bothering if I can be if help. ምስካፍ is good. I don’t like leaving things undone. It is just sometime I get do busy at wirk, I loose concentration on my other subjects of interest.

          To you David, Paulos and others,
          If IA is to go to Tigrai, he needs to go first to Axum zion, and exceptionally allowed to view the ታቦት and the original 10 commandments to understand the constitution of God. However, it is said that when exposed the tablets emit so much energy and lights that he may loose his sight before reading the tablets. Have you guys read The sign and the seal by Graham Hancock?

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Very unlikely that Isaias will go to Tigrai much less to visit historical places. I remember the book you mentioned was pretty popular in the 90s and I am not sure if I read it. I visited Axum about a year or so ago and I was struck by its rich history where one can go back to the past with an awe by looking at the artifacts.

    • haileTG

      Hey Paulos,

      Thanks for upadating us. Isn’t he supposed to give interview part 2? Again, despite spending 88min of time in halowlew in the last interview, why didn’t he mention this? Do we have to learn it from Ethiopian media? I think this may help his supporters get the type of relationship they are in with IA.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam HaileTG,
        Our super president is capable of working 48 hours a day. It is possible for him to be in two places at the same time. He will be in Gonder and give interview in Asmara at the same time.

      • Paulos

        Selam HaileTG,

        Here is joke of the day: በኢትዮጵያ ከውሃና ከመብራት በላይ ቶሎ ቶሎ የሚመጣው ኢሳያስ ነው!

        • Haile S.

          Selam Paul and all,

          ሰብኣይ ፍቕሪ ደጊስዎ
          ካልኣይ ዘግ፡ መሊሱ ሒዝዎ
          ዳግማይ፡ ርእሱ ፈዚዝዎ
          ምስ ስግር ሩባ ቀልቡ ጠፊእዎ

          ሩት፡ ሩት እታ ጓል ስግር ሩባ
          ገዝኡ ኣትያቶ ዝነበረት ብዓጀባ
          ጠሊማቶ ዝነበረት ጥቕማ ረኺባ
          ኣስፊራቶ ዝነበረት ኣብ ዱር ጸበባ
          ዛህራ እታ ኪዳኑ ገዲፉ፡ ሩት ረኺብዋ
          ወግሓ-ጽውሐ የሳድዶ ናብ ዘላቶ ንሓዲሽ ኣበባ

        • Nitricc

          Hi P; it funny how you exposed your beloved Ethiopia to get to PIA. hahahah. I thought Ethiopia is highly developed and economically superior? are you telling us there is a water and electric city problem?
          Jokes aside; I think PIA and PMAA are conspiring something against your TPLF. and TPLF is dancing with Eritreans music in Mekele. For me; what is going on is confusing. I believe PIA is determined to finish of TPLF all together. even more concerning is the timing of PIA’s visit. Why visit now when Tigray state and Amara state are almost at war? I think he is saying to the Amara; I got your back. Dangerous!!!

    • Alex

      Hi Paulos,
      I am happy he is doing that. Until TPLF are in power and did not leave from Eritrean land we should not deal with them. They are bunch of backstabbers and now are encircled by amhara for what they did to Ethiopia in the last 27 years. Eritreans will not forget what TPLF did for the last 20 years they may get some gullible like you self but not the real Eritreans.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Congratulations to Eritrean Joe Negusie, age 34, who have been elected as Colorado’s first Eritrean African-American congressman, one of only a handful of first-generation Americans to serve in Congress, and the youngest of Colorado’s nine Congressional representatives and one of the youngest members of Congress in the nation. Now that the mid-term elections in the U.S. are done, look for oil prices to start rising.

    • David Samson

      Hi FM,
      The spelling is Neguse
      Neguse becomes Colorado’s first African-American member of Congress. He is the son of immigrants from the African country of Eritrea.

      • FishMilk

        Hi David. Whoops. Thanks. Not sure if he was born in the U.S. though. Great stuff! Maybe the White House will in a few years time be serving Zigne.

        • Acria

          Selam FishMilk,

          His full name is Joseph ‘Joe’ Neguse and he was born in Colorado state. He is a young and charismatic attorney and hopefully he will run for the Senate one day. Eventually, Joe Neguse ( The King) might as well be the resident of the White House and definitely ‘Zignee’ will be on the menu.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. I know that they say that time heals everything (though not always within one’s own lifetime). Not sure what your thoughts are, but on a scale of hate, I would rank order them as follows: 1) TPLF, 2) HIM, and 3) Mengistu. Wasn’t President Sahle-Work Zewdie initially appointed to the Ethiopian Diplomatic Corps by the Derg regime?

    • Ismail AA

      Selam FM,

      You seem to seek thoughts of readers about your own thoughts. But you forgot to state the criteria to enable them consider the ranking you have suggested. Moreover, apart from desistance from vengeful action, neither duration heals wounded collective memories of a people, nor the fact President Sahle-Work was appointed to a function by the Derg regime disqualify her competence to exercise judgement on the issue at hand.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Ismail. You are right. Wish I could give criteria but I am unable to do so. I guess target and levels of hate also pivot through time and series of events. For example, I remember while living in Eritrea during the Derg, my observation was that most Eritreans despised the Amhara. However today, my observation these days is that most people inside of Eritrea are now sympathetic to the Amhara, and now instead, view the TPLF in complete disgust. On the other hand, most old timers in Eritrea (above the age of 75) that I have spoken to, tell me that Menghistu, while deplorable, was still better than HIM. Yeah you are right in that President Sahle-Work’s appointment during the Derg regime does not disqualify her, but at least for me, it lays into question her attributes and qualifications. For example, she only possesses an undergraduate degree but was able to enter into diplomatic ranks at a very young age. Lest we should not forget President Wolde Giorgis who popularly passed through the time of HIM, the Derg and the EPDFR/TPLF. I still hate Jello!

        • Ismail AA

          Selam FM,

          The point I had in mind was the impact of war and the indelible wounds it causes to collective memory of a people. Moreover, gauging current mood of people towards particular thing or group of people inspite of the promotion of the policy interests of a monopolistic authority in absence of legal guarantees to voice out opinions cannot warrant truth of the inside feeling of citizens.

          I think you will agree with me that before 1998 the TPLF was darling and loved more than national patriotic organizations (Tegaru ahwatna was the Household cliche). Now, as you have indicated, it’s is turn of Amharas to be favored against hate of TPLF just because the ruling authorities had willed it. What guarantee is there if soon the “hated” TPLF becomes again “loved” Wudb egrawot ahwatna ? The prelude to this is already in progress: the singers and musicians are not going to Mekele on their own free will; do they?

          • FishMilk

            Hi Ismail AA. I also remember years not too long before 1998 when the TPLF and the EPLF were frequently scuffling. A lot of rumors going on these day. Some, rightly or wrongly, believe that the singers and artists are part of a PR/propaganda ploy to gain acceptance and sympathy among non-TPLF supporters in Tigray region, while at the same time, a strategy agreed to between PIA and PMAA of squeezing and marginalizing the TPLF to render it operational incapacitated, is now already in progress. PIA is this Friday travelling to Bahir Dar and Gondar, adding more fuel to such rumors.

          • Blink

            Dear FM
            Wouldn’t it be easy for Aby to squeeze TPLF hard liners through the Budget and also by reforming the military? I mean what possible answer would weyane have in opposite to Aby reform , the military reform is getting hot by the day so do the election board is being currently reshuffled.

            The game is being setup to play beyond Aby 2020 .

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. PIA will soon be giving another interview (Part II) which will focus on domestic/home front matters.

    • David Samson

      Hi FM,
      Another boring and full of lies interview. The chap has been using USA as a scapegoat for over 50-years, and is still works.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Is there more to forgiveness than it sounds?

    American anthropologist David Graeber wrote “There’s no better way to justify relations founded on violence, to make such relations seem moral, than by reframing them in the language of debt, above all, because it immediately makes it seem that it’s the victim who’s doing something wrong.”

    Before delving into the main idea here, the above quote needs a little explaining. By forgiving someone, they are let go of their debt (the debt of doing wrong). So, the act of forgiving becomes an exercise of power that the forgiving party has. Thus the one who has done wrong is in a sense the victim and matters of their release belong to the one expected to forgive. This what the above quote saying, i.e. in essence.

    The problem with the apology and forgiveness transaction is that the reactive dynamics that gave rise to the offense in the first case are not dealt with. Although the proper approach to solving conflict and offense need to go through several (namely 4) stages to exhaust the process. Forgiveness is very limited and applies only one of the stages.

    Initially, an attempt is made at pacification, in other words everything is tried to bring the offending party to resolve issue peacefully. Then if this doesn’t work, enrichment or deploy all resources, time, money and what have you is put in action to restore the relationship. If these two ways fail, you may try to compel a resolution through magnetizing the interest of the other. If all these measures don’t work, then your final option is destruction of the relationship that caused the conflict.

    To forgive someone only involves destruction of the relationship that caused the conflict. If a bank forgives your debt, then you are free of the obligation and the bank is free of the obligation to enforce collection. When the offending party is in debt for the wrong they have done, the offended party are also over cast by the shadow of this debt, they are in a r/ship right?

    So, forgiveness destroys this relationship but has no power to ensure the forgiven party goes away and addresses the reactive issues that lead them to offend in the first place. In the secular world there is no relationship on the same issue post forgiveness (the bank won’t lend again). Only in religious sense (Christianity) forgiveness is considered as restoration of the relationship (God’s forgiveness). You don’t part ways with God after forgiveness, actually you start your walk with Him after that.

    In politics, it is a transaction. The act of forgiveness changes the relationship. It does not go back to what it was before. Something necessarily comes to an end. Hence it becomes futile and a failed attempt at a genuine resolution. resolution means to stop feeding the inner patterns that moved us to do that harm.

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG,
      Excellent. You really gave it some flesh. Thank you

    • Selam HTG,

      A great post indeed. The “debt” of forgiveness on the side of the victim, i would have liked to add the “debt” of apology on the side of the culprit, are among the concepts that make human beings different from other animals. In my opinion, the first stems from the christian teaching of forgiveness, and the other from the human concept of justice.

      In the movie “le miserables” based on the book by Victor Hugo, the priest tells the police that caught the thief who stole the priest’s precious utensils after hosting him in his house, that it was a gift and he had not stolen them. When the thief asked the priest why he had done so, the priest answered, ‘with these i have bought your soul for God’. The concept of forgiveness is a fundamental christian concept.

      I am not saying that ethiopians and eritreans should never speak of injustices that have been committed sometime in the future to settle the issue, but when apology is brought at this very moment for political reasons, and when eritreans feel free to go and live in the country they have been told day and night over the last half century by their elites and foreign journalists purportedly friends of eritrea, that ethiopians are their deadly enemies, it shows that the elites and their friends and the ordinary eritreans have a completely different understanding of the whole issue.

      In a way forgiveness sets the culprit legally free and the victim morally free, but does not guarantee security in the future, nor does apology, in my opinion. Demanding apology when it does not come by itself after constructing true friendship, is equivalent to demanding a not heartfelt apology, and forcing the other to close the door behind him, and declaring that one is finished with it with no more obligations. The condition of apology should come by itself and not forced upon the other, especially by people who are not stakeholders, and are fishing in muddy waters.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile TG,

      Thank you for brilliantly sorting out for us the core essence of this matter from other interests that pertain to, for example, national pride and related expediencies.

      Furthermore, I have been following the discussion under this thread with attention. I could see opinions seemed to take should- should not pattern with ambivalent views in between. The former two offered reasons imbued by underpinnings related to national pride and interest perceptions. This can explain the distribution of views most Eritreans and Ethiopians in these posts. The focus these cases is the meaning and outcome of an apology of the two countries that had engaged in war and responsible for its consequences. The salient assumption here is that an apology by the culprit could lead to taking up responsibility, which in turn could entail reparation for damages – be it moral or material.

      In such an operation the essence becomes compromised by the politics of apology that may affect national pride. In other words, apology or atonement for wrong doing (including in warfare) diminishes and loses meaning and purpose, when the core essence involves human beings (in the broadest sense of the term). The matter goes beyond states and actors in it. The essence and meaning of apology and repentance in post conflict conditions concern innocent victims more than states and governments because they stand at the receiving end to carry heavy spiritual and material burden in which the former endures more than the latter.

      In the context of the long war that pitted Eritrean national liberation struggle with the Ethiopia’s successive governments, citing an example may suffice to explain the point about relatioship of the essence of apology and innocent victimhood of ordinary human beings. On 1 December 1970 a terrible massacre took place at a village called Ona. The Ethiopian soldiers forced innocent citizens that included children, women, young and old in one central spot (mosque) after a general was killed in an ambush not far from the town of Keren. Many of the victims were already gathered there from other places in a scheme called “hamletization) emulated from the Vietnam war, which aimed at drying the support base of the rebels. At that tragedy, soldiers used bayonets more than gun shots to kill; pregnant women were bayoneted. Such sad episodes endure in memories of people from generation to generation.

      Now, when all is said and done, thus, does not human compassion raise the essence of an apology for wrong doing and damages done (states or individuals) to ameliorate and sooth the harsh memory of innocent victims such as the descendants of families in the story I just shared? Why would this goodness of human essence be compromised by other considerations such as national pride for instance?

  • Nitricc

    Hi Girmay; I think you are missing my point. I have no problem with the peace process and I just questioned the way it has been handled. There is no order or rules of engagement. This kind of interaction will not benefit
    either of you. It will take you back straight to accusations and ultimately to all out conflict. It has already started, according the internet, I heard the
    Tigryans are selling expired food and the Eritreans are paying through expired Nakfa. I am sure you know how it started the last war. If so, why go back to the same problem? That all I am saying? The border it shouldn’t have opened. If Eritrea had a president who does what he says, then, first TPLF should have been out of Eritrean land. No buts no ifs, then demarcate the border. Then setup a focus group from both sides of the border and this group will integrate visitors from one to other through travel permit. Once you started through such mechanism and then you let the border opened up gradually. I see a big problem if not danger. On your side, you are weak and you have become toothless. On the Eritrean side the president went absolutely banana just to punish TPLF leaders forgot what is the best interest of the nation and the entire cause of the last 20 suffering years. To make all complicated, Ethiopia and PMAA are on the verge of collapsing. I ask you, under this circumstance, what the hell is the
    president of Eritrea doing? This is the biggest betrayal against the people and nation of Eritrea. Demarcate the border and leave Eritrean land if you need real peace,Sir! what you have right now won’t work.

  • Mez

    Dear Awate Staff,
    I don’t think this specific call for apology is a genuine one (for the people of the horn at large).
    1) You presented, as you indicated in the introduction, a letter written by a Kuwaiti, Mr. Abdulrahman Yousif, with an objective of requesting the new Ethiopian President to “to formally apologize to the Eritrean people for the era of the Ethiopian occupation”.
    2) The author presented himself as “an Arab Citizen”, though not clear under which political economy umbrella he is referring that.
    3) a 27.13 minutes video of unspecified date, which looks to be from the Eritrean armed struggle time of the 60-ies?, is included.
    4) History tells us that, the Eritrean territory, before the defeat of Imperial Italy, was a spring board for Italian colonial aggression across the horn of Africa region. The Askaries (colonial tools against innocent peoples) of that era brought immense destruction and resentment.
    5) further, the western global powers had better served their interest by using the former Italian naval radio station for their purpose (infamously known as the Kagnew station). This is equivalent to the modern day (more than half a dozen) foreign military bases in Mr. Yousif’s native Kuwait.

    A true reconciliation, and justice across the region is overdue, and that shall come sooner than latter–that is the way forward.

    Thanks

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I am a bit a lose why the Eritrean artists are in Tigray? I mean, why? I don’t like this rush, rush things. if this nonsense continues, I guaranteed you in no time, we will go back to full scale war and this time around to the end. Can people learn from the past? Peace is fine but do it in away structured and thoughtful. Africa!!!!!

    • David Samson

      Selam Nitrric,
      Many Artists (I call them fake singers) do not have any principle in life; they just blow with the direction of wind. If you have faith on or follow them, they will disappoint you—big time! Helen Meles is not a singer; the lyrics and melodies are often given by others to her . Soon after outbreak of the war, she sang one depicting TPLF as a student of EPLF. Now, the same singer whom belittling and demonising the same people are going to praise them, after all. She either did not understand the message of the song she sang in 1998, or with so many singers, she does have any shame. Kahsay Berhe is another hypocrite. He used Eritrean justice’s movements to get his papers. In fact, at some point, the people who helped him were so incensed by his sheer hypocrisy, they wrote a protest letter to British government’s department that deals with asylum to withdraw their support. The same goes to Wedi Tekul and others.

      • Paulos

        Selam David,

        I agree, they all are cut from the same cloth including Fihira save Wedi Tquabo.

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ጳውሎስን ዳዊትን፡
          ወሪድኩሞም እምበር እዞም ኣሕዋትን ኣሓትን! ኣይግድን! ሓሜንን ገጣማይን እዝኒን እንጀራን ኣብ ዝረኸበሉ እዩ ዝልፍልፍ።

  • Selam All,

    It is a pity that ethio-eritrean politics and relations are always hijacked by somebody who thinks that he knows the problem and he has the right solution. Somebody pops up from nowhere and tells the new ethiopian president to apologize, saying it is her obligation and it is eritrea’s right.
    Let me say that as this journalist thinks that the ethiopian president apologizes. Does he really know who she would be apologizing to? When DIA is eritrea, and eritrea is DIA, it will be equivalent to apologizing to the dictator. That is out of the question.

    Moreover, does he really think that that is priority number one for eritreans, or the main obligation for which the ethiopian president came to office? If he thinks that the peace deal or a woman president in ethiopia is a good chance to demand an apology and put in the back seat more important economic and social issues between the two countries, i take him as one of the many spoilers.
    Let me ask the guy, has he ever said anything about the genocide in which women and children are bombed and killed day and night, the biblical famine in the making and people dying of cholera, one of the biggest crimes in this century happening before his eyes? All these are happening just next door to him, in yemen, another arab country and people, wiped out by a coalition of arab criminal and some of them paranoid leaders. Has he ever condemned the culprits, has he demanded that this war of genocide in yemen be stopped immediately, ksa and uae sanctioned, and usa and uk condemned at the UN for providing the weapons?

    What about the 500m arab/muslim women who are condemned to live as second class citizens, when slavery is abolished everywhere a long time ago, or his sensitivity does not go as far as that, and he beliefs that women are inferior even to a male child in the family? Why doesn’t he write about these main issues in the arab world, he is supposed to know well, and he desists from meddling in issues he has only a superficial knowledge?

    Foreign journalists, who call themselves friends of eritrea, have never given genuine service for the good of the people either during gedli or today, and it’s better they are not taken seriously, and such issues as the one brought by the journalist are left to the people of ethiopia and eritrea. Much more important matters are at hand than this.

    • Blink

      Dear Horizon
      Do you admit Ethiopian leaders should apologize and Eritrean people should forgive the horrors that rained over them by Ethiopian leaders , you are only objecting because there is a dictator on the helm , I don’t see how Issias crimes and lies to Eritreans get in between the apologis of Ethiopian leaders , first and foremost most current Ethiopian leaders seems at ease with Issias as he is one of the most people who objected the disintegration of Ethiopia. Remember he opposed Meles idea of constructing a Tigray country from 1970-991 and now I believe Issias didn’t allow his Oromo friends to call for Oromo independence, this is all documented. So if Ethiopian leaders has to say sorry or apologize their best time is Now because I believe you already know what PFDJ top leaders like the finance minister views on Ethiopia .

      I believe Aby can do it and so do the president, after all it only cements Ethiopian new generation leaders as good once a far cry from Dergi , Meles killers . It is just for the historians to record unless the scratch on our back is all with us in our DNA .

      • Selam Blink,

        If the apology concerns only politicians and does not involve the people, i really do not see the importance of it. First of all, historians should tell the whole story as it is, and not as each one tells his side of the story, fully inform the people what exactly happened and did not happen, accept it and if there is apology to be made, it must be because people are convinced and not for political expediency.

        If you say that the fate of ethiopia was/is/will be in IA hands, i think it is inflated. Disintegration of ethiopia was and is even today equivalent to mass suicide, internally and externally, and we should not take it lightly. Tplf is telling ethiopians indirectly that Tigray is free to act the way it chooses. Nevertheless, we shouldn’t forget that three quarter of its budget comes from addis, and a five day’s closure of the road leading to the center has already caused price rise. Therefore, disintegration of ethiopia is easily said, but the consequences will be painful to everybody, without exception.

        We are not yet sure of anything, what exactly is happening in the new ethio-eritrean relations, where we are going, and ethio-eritrean relations is still suspended in the air, and we are not sure which side it will finally settle down, and yet we are talking about apology, as if it should be the main agenda. Sorry, i do not see it this way. The above mentioned points are necessary, and no one should be emotional about it, it is not the time to discuss it, and it is not the priority at this stage.

    • RufaelW

      DIA will be offended eith an apology. Actually he might be planning to apologise to the Amhara Region (who still haven’t swallowed the poison pill of Eritrea’s independence), if he hasn’t done yet. DIA had been their man within the Eritrean Struggle for Self Determination. He has been the “Mole”.

  • Acria

    Selam A,

    As an Eritrean, and majority of Eritreans, I do expect an apology from the Ethiopian government. This is about building another bridge of peace. Learn to say sorry! Dogmatism is never a virtue my friend.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Abdulrham Yousif and Awatistas,

    This translation from Arabic to English by Awate team is commendable. The author’s targets of sowing seeds of permanent blood feud is obvious to me.
    I don’t know what the response of the Eth. President or the PM will be to his advice or demand. Mine is don’t pick on our wounds please leave us alone. Don’t you have your own blood relatives in deep doodo, at this moment to worry about. Friends like you who needs enemy.

    I said I don’t know what the President and/or PM will do, because I am finding it more and more difficult to understand and explain the specific moves the Gov. makes. So I made a conscience decision to read and learn instead of throwing in my half baked ideas in the dark at the forum. However, when I read this kind of poison being administered from a malicious neighbor, I break my own promise to address it.

    It is interesting, the author was not happy about the U.N federation era decision. Presumably he probably wanted the federation to be with Egypt instead of Ethiopia.
    He calls himself “friend” of Eritrea. I am sure he has some acceptance in some quarters. My question to him as a friend of Eritrea is, what did you say or contribute to Eritrea in the last 27 years. In the event that you have helped Eritreans and are known to many Eritreans, like that American Journalist, I will shut up and listen.

    The Saudi Arabians sent a plane load of dates to Ethiopia during the famine of 1974 or 1985. I read it in a newspaper, I remember that I looked up to Heavens as to why God forsake Ethiopia by adding this insult to our catastrophe and deep wound.
    No one is required to help another but don’t go beyond to add salt to wound, that is evil.

    Ethiopia is cursed by its geography to be perceived as a christian peninsula in the midst of at times, Islamic zealots in SUDAN, SOMALIA, EGYPT, IRAQ, SYRIA, LIBYA together with the kingdoms and sultanates of the neighborhood.

    Somebody wise once said, Ethiopia stretches its hands to God.

    Mr. K.H

    • Acria

      Selam Kim,

      I don’t see any wrong for the current Ethiopian regime to ask for forgiveness to the Eritrean people as most Eritreans do feel that they were wronged by the relentless war against them. I agree with the author that asking for forgiveness is a sign of strength and will make the current peace process even more attractive not ‘ to add salt to wound’ as you put it. Presumably, you believe that there is a wound; and that wound need to heal well so that no amount of salt will create pain in the future. Therefore, genuine apology is important. I would also like to add that the Eritrean people also need apology from the maladministration of the PFDJ regime, another cause of 27-years of hardship.

      • Paulos

        Selam Acria,

        If Eritrea came out a victor by taking matters in its own hands instead of whining, why would it expect or demand an apology from Ethiopia?

        • Acria

          Selam Dr. Paulos,

          Eritrea became independent [ a victor?] not only because of EPLF alone; rather, as a result of other forces that were also fighting the Derg regime, e.g. TPLF. The time the Eritrean people went through fighting the 30-year war of independence could have easily been solved through referendum then lest that the Haile Selassie and the Derg regime of relentless war. It was what Meles Zenawi did by giving Eritreans a choice to be free. Morally and physically, It was a very costly war. That is the reason why they deserve an apology for the final peace bridge to be realistic. Moreover, it doesn’t cost Ethiopia anything for the apology; rather, it will make it an honest peace partner.

          • Paulos

            Selam Acria,

            The whole thing sounds convoluted. First of, the current government in Ethiopia is not responsible to what happened to Eritrea. And one can not expect it to apologize on behalf of the King and the Colonel. I think the best way forward is magnanimity on both sides and work for peace and mutual respect.

          • Tensae

            Selam Paulos,

            There is nothing convoluted about a current government apologizing for the crimes committed by a previous government if the case merits it. The governments of Canada and Australia have for example repeatedly apologized for crimes committed to their native people by successive previous governments. The government of Canada has equally apologized for the treatment of Japanese and Chinese communities among others by previous governments. The government of Germany had
            not only apologizing for the crimes committed by the Nazis
            but also compensated the victims. The Iraqi government that followed the downfall of Saddam Hussein has apologized to the government of Kuwait for the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. The lesson that we can learn from these and other examples, is that apology by governments is a sign of strength rather than of weakness. Moreover, genuine apology can go a long way in correcting historical mistakes.

            Notwithstanding your claim that the current government of Ethiopia is not responsible to what happened to Eritrea and putting aside your hyper sensitivity to any criticism of Ethiopia, there are ample reasons why the current government of Ethiopia should apologize to Eritreans not only for the crimes committed by the previous governments but by the current one as well. To start
            with, the deportation of over eighty thousand Eritrean civilians from Ethiopia after fleecing them of their life time saving is something that the government should apologize for and compensate the victims if it is serious enough about creating harmony between the two countries. The government should also apologize to the Eritrean people for the crimes committed by the previous governments such as the whole sales burning of villages and the slaughtering of defenseless civilians such as in
            Ona, Omhager, Wekiduba etc. My guess is that the Ethiopian government will not apologize as it is not strong enough to do so.

          • Hope

            Hello Tinsae/All:
            Well said.
            Realistically and practically,YES,indeed,the Ethiopians OWE us a big time and sincere APOLOGY.
            But,unless accompanied with a compensation package(free electricity,free business opportunity,ect.,among others),what is the point beyond a PR Gimmick for them to apologize to us?
            But to the minimum ,if they respect us as neighbors and respect our Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity as a first and foremost step,that would be
            You remember that people were asking Obama to apologize to the Black Americans on behalf of the white America?
            People were laughing at this .
            What Black American DESERVE is EQUAL SOCIAL and ECONOMIC JUSTICE/Equal Opportunity as a compensation.

          • Selam Hope,

            What if we extend the issue of apology and compensation back to the time when eritrean askaris invaded ethiopia fighting for the italians and the role they played, i.e 1896 at adwa, during the 1935-41 italian occupation of ethiopia, and the 1998-2000 unprovoked war of aggression by dia/pfdj. Shouldn’t ethiopia ask for apology and compensation from the italians and their complicit?

            I think some seriousness is appropriate from both sides. I am forced to repeat for so many times that it is not the agenda at hand and should not be for the time being. What matters most for eritrea and ethiopia and the whole region is to bring peace and stability, cooperation on the economy and fight injustice and poverty. Apology and compensations will be discussed in the future, and each party will come with its complaints. The way of apology and compensation leads nowhere. Let’s give first to reconciliation and rapprochement the chance to survive and flourish, if we do not want to derail both.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            Your argument in regard to the issue of apology reminds me of what some Israëli politicians like Golda Meir wished to believe about the collective memory of the Palestinians. They foresaw that the old will die and the young would forget. Had they lived to witness how the teen age Palestinians are conducting their struggle, they would admit how wrong they had been. I do not know why you insist that apology should be put off to some time in the future. This attitude cannot be understood except in the framework I just stated. Besides, why are you not willing to see the essence of apology to victims separate from its material by-product (politics of reparation or compensation)?. Have ever thought about the human side of it? Love to read your thoughts.

          • Selam Ismail AA,

            The old may die and the young may forget, but written history remains for posterity, and that is the reason history should be told as it is. Everything that transpired between the two people should be recorded and not only part of it for the sake of historical rightness. That is when true friendship could be formed on solid grounds, and the result is usually satisfactory.

            Unless it is meant for political reasons, after few months of relatively good relationship between the two countries, demanding for apology and compensation is premature and it is not going to be substantive, because it will not be the result of the hearts and minds of the ethiopian people, but between politicians. In addition, ethiopian politicians are divided on such issues, and i do not think that there could be a common stand. We cannot hide that, unfortunately, there are some ethiopians, individuals and politicians, who are still opposed to eritrean independence after so many years, let alone apologize. It doesn’t matter if it is wrong, nevertheless, we can’t deny that such things do exist. Therefore, I do not think that ‘time’ is a negative factor here.

            Now, if some people think they can succeed, it is up to them. In my opinion, the chances are slim, as things stand today, and that is the reason i give priority for other things .
            Material compensation was brought by Hope and he has even mentioned the type of compensation. I do not believe that ethiopians will accept such demands.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat all,

            Compensation and apology are the only way-out for Ethiopia from the current ethnic-based conflict that Haul-out innocent people from every corner of Ethiopia just because of their ethnicity.

            Eritrea can be a good starting point considering the current lovey-dovey relationship between the two.

            Reclaim

          • Acria

            Selam Horizon,

            Both Eritrea and Ethiopia will say sorry to each other for the unnecessary war of 1988-2000; Ethiopia will say sorry for the wars of 1962-1991. If there is a need for compensation, we can discuss about it as part of the rapprochement.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother Acria,

            “Both Eritrea and Ethiopia will say sorry to each…..” No need unless we Eritreans solve our dictatorial…We have to go for reconciliation and then only we can see..I

          • Selam Acria,

            There is nothing wrong with what you are saying. Nevertheless, do you think that eritrean elites will be satisfied so easily, or is this going to create a chain of opposition and counter-opposition, that in the end may make us miss the core of the reconciliation and rapprochement endeavor, and the peace deal between the two countries?

            Ethiopians and eritreans are trading at the borders without asking for apologies, they are visiting their relatives in ethiopia, IA/pfdj did not ask for apology before the peace deal and before opening the border, and even before visiting amhara regional state as he is doing now, etc. Therefore, apology is exclusively a diaspora eritrean elites’ problem.

            Remember, one of the two parties could easily withdraw from the deal and bring the whole thing to square one. Can we take for granted or as a done deal that things cannot be derailed at all?

          • Acria

            Selam Horizon,

            Saying sorry is not necessarily admittance of wrong-doing. It is part of the peace process and understanding of the many unnecessary wars that have been going on since 1962. This will create trust between the two countries. Business is a norm not only between neighboring countries but also between people of the same or similar cultures, such as the people of Tigray and Eritreans. We have to create a medium semblance and understanding among the different cultures of Ethiopia and Eritrea.

            Sympathy and forgiveness are some elements that will strengthen the relationship between the two countries. We Eritreans feel that we were wronged and duly executed apology will be an instrument of peace. At the same time, if elements of the Ethiopian society, for example, the deportees and victims of the Ethio-Eritrea war of 1988-2000, feel that they were wronged by Eritreans, I wholeheartedly apologize for what they went through.

            Eritrea and Eritreans do not have the luxury of withdrawing from the peace deal. We will proceed full throng with the rapprochement regardless of some elements of our society might try to sabotage the process. My main concern is not from the Eritrean side; rather, it is the unstable tribal struggle inside Ethiopia that might delay or impede the peace process. So, let’s buckle up and establish democracy in Eritrea with or without the participation of the PFDJ elements.

          • Selam Acria,

            Ethio-eritrean relations seem on the right truck at least as much as the pm of ethiopia and the president of eritrea are concerned. IA arrived at gonder airport, and was received with fanfare. He was driven through the city as residence were shouting nsu, nsu….(i do not know what that means). The two were joined by the president of somalia. The three are in Bahr Dar now, (KS’s town).

            It was reported that they will discuss peace and economic cooperation. There seems to be a plan of one sort or other to bring together the three countries. It is as if somebody has told them to work together for peace, stability and economic cooperation in the region, rather than festering under a never ending state of war, instability and poverty. EAL started to fly to mogadishu after so many years. Therefore, the possibility is that the peace deal and cooperation will be strengthened depite the ups and downs.

            One interesting point is that IA looks much younger than his age. It is impressive to see him descend the stairs from his airplane so easily with stable steps.

          • Acria

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            This is not a personal apology per say. It is an apology on behalf of the Ethiopian people in general. Let’s not forget that the current Ethiopian population is a byproduct of the population during the Derg regime, which is the byproduct of the Hailesselassie Regime, and so forth. Therefore, the Ethiopian people do bear responsibility for what happened to the Eritrean saga during the independence years as well the unnecessary deportation of some Eritrean-Ethiopians post independence.

            Leaders do represent the people of their country. Leaders do whatever they do because they are enabled by the people who support them or put a blind eye to their actions. For example, our DIA is just an individual. He is doing whatever he wants because of the support he gets from some Eritreans. Now, our DIA need to apologize to the Eritrean people on behalf of not only himself but also on behalf of the other Eritreans who were doing his mischief.

            Therefore, the above two elements of apology are imperative for lasting peace. This should never be construed as a hindrance to the current peace process. In the spirit of ‘Medemer’, all avenues of peace bridges are paramount.

          • Paulos

            Selam Acria,

            With all due respect, this whole issue about apologies doesn’t make any sense to me. The Ethiopian people didn’t give their consent to the King to assume power for it was all done by a mere decree. The same can be said about the Colonel where he rode the mantle of power by brute force. And certainly the Ethiopian people were not consulted about any kind of affairs. More over, if some zealots lent a hand either to the King or the Colonel, one can not put the entire people in one basket.

            If the government of Ethiopia is to apologize for what happened to Eritreans after independence, one can make an equal argument that the Eritrean government ought to apologize to what happened to Ethiopians right after the border war broke out as well particularly Ethiopians who lived in Eritrea for years and years.

            For the record, Meles to his credit has apologized and acknowledged that it was wrong but of course he apologized specifically to those who were deported not to the entire Eritrean people for there is a difference between apologizing to specific people and the entire people. More over, Meles apologized because the deportation happened under his watch and was not apologizing on behalf of anybody.

          • Acria

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Can we just let Ethiopia apologize

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate and Mr. Abdulrahman Yousif,

    The regime has first to ask an apology to Eritreans. Eritreans then will think what to do with that question. Charity begins at home!!

    • Acria

      Selam Brhan,

      Yes, the Eritrean regime need to apologize and retire from the political arena. What a disappointment was the interview of DIA. Even in times of peace, this guy can’t make any substantive statement. Ethiopians think that this guy is an asset for them; nevertheless, if he is not making any imperative democratic changes inside Eritrea soon, he will be a liability instead.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awatewyan

    Hopefully this will reach here (President Sahlework Zewdie ). Let us attach in all side so she will sure read it,, “There is no permanent enmity, but there are interests, relations, and apologies.” What a mind, I love those who forgive..forgetting the past is the main good act..Living in now and moment to moment is the way out.,I appreciate the wrtire of this artcile

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear KS,
      Got one little poem for the new President, Sahlework Zewdie.

      #######My Country#############

      The country, that I have paid, the ultimate price
      Indeed, I protected it, with my blood and bone`.
      Taught me prejudice, that grows in me
      The debacle of my country, sent me to exile`!

      It’s my country, that left, my elderly without a penny
      It’s my country, that robed, my mother only money
      It’s my country, that jailed, and kidnapped my family
      It’s my country, that mostly hates me, and loves me so rarely.

      My country trained me, to love, and to carry
      To be there when it’s needed, and to never betray.

      Is it wrong to love my country?

      Leave my people out of it, as they all are just like me!
      So madam president, do you really represent me?
      I’m seeking the divine, but it’s you, that I believe
      Please apologise to the real people of a meme!

      Thanks,
      Reclaim.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Reclaim,Thank you for this poem…

        Hopefully this will reach here (President Sahlework Zewdie )

        KS,

  • Teodros Alem

    1,Eritrea secede from ethiopia by referendum.
    2,3A is the 4th/3rd pm after secession of eri from ethio.
    3,President sahle-worke is the 4th president of ethio after secession of eri from ethio.
    4,based on 1,2,3, the Kuwaiti guy is not happy because of the change in ethiopia and the new president .
    5, 30 + 27= 57 and counting.

    • Blink

      Dear Teodrose
      Dating sporty will not hurt anyone infact it will help everyone. Eritreans deserves an apology from people with good heart and intentions unless weyane can say sorry and no one will believe them but remember saying sorry means bending the grieving mothers of Eritrea to think there is a good leadership in Ethiopia. I think PM Abiy can do it . He is a decent guy that pop up to save Ethiopians from cutting machine of Meles . Don’t take your rage on the writer he is simply responsible for his words as you can see , he is being nice and a good wisher.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam blink
        ask what it means eri secede from ethio by referendum ? Ask the un, au.

        • Blink

          Dear Teodrose
          What does it cost for the PM Or the president to say sorry. I mean it can only add to the positive things he made .Remember who ever the leader back then doesn’t matter and of course he was not a leader for Eritreans and Eritrea. Look the federation was nulled down by Ethiopian leader not by Eritrean .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Even in the time of federation eritrea was part of ethiopia, under ethiopian sovereignty.
            The rest i already told u.

  • Ayneta

    Dear AWATE:
    Kudos to Ethiopia for selecting the first female President. I am proud of them. Hopefully, this will usher a new way of thinking and insight into the conceptualization of development, equity and sustainability in the country. I really hope they will lead the region into collective cooperation and development.