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We, The People, Own It!

My 13 year old nephew once told me that all democratically elected presidents should convene a plenary session to pass a resolution that will forbid all dictators from calling themselves presidents. Oftentimes, it takes a child to let us know that “the emperor” is naked. Perhaps it is this recognition that made the prophet Isaiah proclaim that a child will lead when “the wolf will live with the lamb and the leopard will lie down with the goat.” It is a topsy-turvy world where the new engulfs the norm to be the new norm. The antidote is to completely reject it; resolutely refuse to abide by its rules; and above all, to shun its misleading and corrosive language.

Words matter and caution is necessary. It is morally appalling and politically wrong, for those of us in the opposition, to call the petty dictator of Eritrea president; he is what he has become, a small town hustler who knows what will happen to him if he let go the tail of the tiger he is riding. Like all hustlers, he will say and do whatever it takes to hang on to power. A trade mark of all hustlers is the ubiquitous sense of no shame. He makes promises that have no price-tags, no expiration dates and specifics for he knows he has no intention to keep them. We should not be hoodwinked, bamboozled or distracted by a 70 year old, socially misfit, alcoholic who is not bounded by any sense of morality, decency, tradition and societal norms.

His latest ranting utterances are neither novel nor well-thought out national strategies, but quick fixes to confuse and placate an outraged citizenry and neutralize a mounting opposition. It is a continuation of a pattern that most sensible Eritreans have come to abhor and despise. He confuses shocking behavior with creativity and has made pornography out of public discourse. How would one explain his outlandish proclamation to draft a new constitution?

One thing this speech has done and has done it well is that it has redeemed Dr. Bereket’s argument that the 1997 constitution is a national document written with the best interest of the Eritrean people at heart, and not the regime. The document has check and balances that will not allow Isaias to exercise unfettered powers or even stay in power for more than two terms; a fact that has proven to be a thorn on his side. All along, the good doctor has argued that Isaias is the number one enemy of the 1997 constitution; and finally the dictator has come out in broad daylight to put the final nails on its coffin.

It should not be forgotten that several members of the Constitutional Commission had fought hard to preserve and protect the independence and autonomy of the process; and to the chagrin of Isaias, they effectively kept him at bay. To its credit, the Commission had even denounced the so-called Special Court and according to Paulos Tesfagiorgish, and corroborated by Dr. Bereket, the late Seyoum Haregot had played a leading role in this endeavor. Seyoum, at the instruction of Dr. Bereket, authored the Commission’s opinion which condemned the extra-judicial activities of the regime that contravened the spirit of the constitutional-making process, established practices and norms, and the letter of international law.

The 1997 Constitution was designed to do what constitutions are needed for: limit the power of the government and guarantee individual liberties. These are two seminal pillars that safeguard freedom; the public love them and dictators hate them. From the onset, Isaias demonstrated disdain towards the constitution. A brief look at the chronology of the constitution drafting process will attest that the non-implementation of the Constitution has nothing to do with the 1998-2000 war with Ethiopia. The constitution was ratified in 1997 and it was shelved for a year before the outbreak of the war. The war just became an important late addition to the arsenal of rationalization that has deprived many Eritreans of the ability to think clearly and sort the chafe from the grain.

The EPLF as well as the ELF were able to hold national congresses while waging major wars because they knew congresses and organizational political programs were a piece and parcel of an effective strategy of national liberation. The last time the PFDJ held an organizational congress was in 1994. If the EPLF was able to conduct such important tasks as a liberation organization, why wouldn’t it be able to do the same as a government?

The reason Isaias failed to implement the 1997 constitution was simple: because it was not his document, and knew it will limit his powers. All dictators hate good constitutions, and if there is any Eritrean who doubts the goodness of the 1997 Constitution, then, they don’t need to look further; Isaias has given them incontrovertible evidence. The 1997 Constitution is not a friend of tyranny; it puts the national above the government’s interest; and more importantly the people are the reservoir of power, and not the government. Now Isaias has inadvertently clarified who should be on the side of the 1997 constitution and who should be against it. The choices can’t be clearer: tyranny vs. freedom. The Eritreans who fight against tyranny and for freedom should preserve, protect and cherish the 1997 constitution, and those that don’t care can follow Isaias and his insane ideas.

The rallying cry of the majority of those fighting tyranny is the demand for the implementation of the ratified constitution, and it is the one thing that has put the government at a great disadvantage in catering to its international and domestic constituencies. This is one area where those of us in the opposition have enjoyed the upper moral hand; and Isaias in his diabolical move is trying to pull the carpet from under our feet. I admit it is a clever tactical move from his perspective of staying-in-power-at-all-cost, but a complete disaster for a nation that is already suffering serious atrophy. Once again, Isaias has brought the vehicle of statecraft on a fork-road, and how we decide now will determine how generations from now will experience their citizenry. Will there be continuity that leads to maturity, or Eritrea will be condemned to perpetual infancy where every disgruntled group will try to reinvent the wheels of the nation and fail to build on what has already been achieved?

All human endeavors are imperfect, and of all people, Dr. Bereket Habte Selassie, the principal author of the Constitution, will tell you that the only perfect feature of the constitution is that it admits its imperfections and accordingly allows people to make necessary and right amendments. The drafting process could have been and should have more inclusive; but let’s be candid and honest: no one was excluded from participating as an individual citizen. I admit those who boycotted the drafting process were bona fide patriots who played important roles in the liberation of the country, but the injustice committed against them should not be a license to categorically reject a national document where about 83% of Eritreans proudly participated. It is important to mention that one of the 13 states of America, Rhode Island, did not participate in the drafting and ratification of the 1789 US Constitution, but they’ve taken full ownership of it and like their fellow-Americans are committed to its defense.

The 1997 ratified constitution is right for Eritrea for its sake and its effect. Embracing it will do us good in the long-run as a matured society, and in the short-term it will give us the moral support we need from our people and the world to wage the democratic struggle. Some members of the opposition who have rejected the 1997 should not take Isaias’ absurd position as a validation of their arguments. Their argument is valid but it should not supersede the majority and their concerns could be easily accommodated with the help of those who have joined them in the struggle for peace, justice and democracy.

This is the time when the opposition appeals to the brothers and sisters standing with the regime to join their ranks and reaffirm their commitment to the ratified constitution. I’m sure many of them will question Isaias’s move to void and nullify the constitution and the opposition should be ready, emotionally and intellectually, to embrace them in solidarity.
The Preamble of the 1997 Constitution says, “We the people of Eritrea,” because it is the Eritrean people who own it. The constitution belongs to all of us; and let’s all stand for it.

 

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  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Here a latest ceremonial video of TPDM graduation. Please also search out to listen to Capitain Beyan Hadish’s Paltalk testimony on how Eritrean women (whose agelglot husbands are made to sit in no man’s land) are induced to become impregnated by locally stationed TPDM youth. Some end up crossing to Ethiopia to avoid social stigma!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fMZ8CRKirw

    • TsaTse

      Nice trick HTG. How do I know once I click on play it I will not find myself on The Ethiopian Air Force Website page. I know I am analog hybridized with digital. But damn… brother! how many Awget must the Eritreans go through. “Can’t we all just get along?” So what if they are packing? It is probably part of the UNME 20 kilometers parallel line into Eritrea’s turf. Much to the delight of Ityopia Tikdem folks. Okay I will click play because I did request a VISUAL SON.

      After this , I am off to grubbing my sheHan Fool Mudamess. Aye HTG! Brilliant! I suppose you don’t know what trick you have utilized. I know a few people that do. Whence you have got the link from. Foundation matters. If you start crooked…. well…. unless you are military and you are utilizing slti.

      Ezi we deHanka

  • Hope

    The discussion should be about how to bring a real change in Eritrea by mobilizing the whole Eritrean Public rather than gossiping about jeganuna.They did their part and we should do our part.

    • Solomon Seyum

      Selam Hope,

      Shimka mraH. We have a long way to go. I just came back from something that rather has me..can’t even find a word for what I have observed. Pensive is what I got. How to mobilize indeed. Some may have veered to a point where they may never return. We have got quite a task on us maybe not.

    • Nitricc

      hope it is the glut that is making them talk and driving them crazy. You see, tegadalti like you said it, they did what they have to do and delivered what they set out to deliver. They said they will bring independence and they did. But you have here people talking all garbage about the selfless Eritrean Tegadelti; do you know why? Because the people who are trashing the Gedli and Tegadelti the clock is ticking and they couldn’t find any tangible anything at all and they have to resort to trashing Gedli and Tegadaly to find some comfort.
      If not why on earth would you blame a person who gave it all for what he believed and thought just? Why?
      What do the Tegadalay in a wealchair has to do with people in power? How many percent of the Tegadelti are in a real power that can effect the out come of the political structure?
      But for the people who are calling out on Tegadaly and Gedli; please die of in agony and while you do that happy slavery. You will die slave. For good or bad; Tegadaly has lived a meaningful life that has real purpose. Let me ask you this, what is a purpose of your life? I rest my case.

  • haileTG

    Selam Awatista,

    The discussion here seemed to have veered to the unnecessary topic of balancing the plus and minus of tegadelti, hence let’s see how those tegadelti who formed part of the system have terrorized the population and others didn’t do anything [at the time – for the benefit of Saba- we don’t expect anything more than the rest of the people now;]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlmdV-6yTo

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Haile: thanks
      But I hope by now you get it that nothing will sink into the one celled brain supporters and the evil beneficeroes of the.
      They ignore this and get excited about people like me and you say

      • haileTG

        Thx Sem – ኣይገርመካን’ዶ እዚ ኹሉ እንስሳዊ ባህርያት ሒዝካ ፈራዕ ፈራዕ። መሲልዎም እምበር፡ ታሪኽ’ሲ ተጻሒፉ’ዩ ቐደም። ህዝብና’ዩ ግን በዲሉ፡ ደም ኣልሚድዎም ነዞም ኣራዊት።

    • Kokhob Selam

      It is too late really !!! if only they were hearing us they could have saved a lot of soul and time, and by now we could have been building the nation. my mind can’t reach it, can’t find any logical order that can let me satisfied why we went through all problems. and now? still there are people who couldn’t feel it. that is bad. the good news is all this will be history soon.

    • haileTG

      Sele, do you know the word “epic” is the most abused by the under 25 yearolds? It is like they say “my neighbor had the $%$^ kicked out of him today, you missed it, that was epic!” (you and me know, of course, that epic means a form of a long poem narrating heroic acts from ancient times, wink wink). OK what were you saying about epic again? (haha…never mind, I like your critique, it is usually epic 🙂

  • Peace!

    “PMMZ built an opposition that has no eyes, no ears and mostof all the toothless one.”

    Nitric 2014

  • Mahmud Saleh

    AT;
    Where is my long, very long harbegnawit comment?

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Over the last 24hrs, thousands of Eritreans (with Somali and Syrians too) have been rescued by the Italian Navy. Thank god for that!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10867075/Nearly-3000-migrants-arrive-on-Italian-coast-in-24-hours.html

  • haileTG

    Selamat Haw Mahmud, (I see your post has gone from disq. I’will reply here till it shows up:)

    You make many great points and I applaud the fact that you have moved slightly to the center point on the tegadalay vs civilian issue than when we spoke last time. I even wish that one day you will see the moral reason to completely abandon your tegadalay hat and speak for the civilian population through and through. For now let me say that Saba’s point of the role of the young and your endorsing it comes with serious reservation on my part. Those tegadelti who proactively implemented the regime’s policy are responsible to killing their: self esteem, that unique sense of Eritreanism that saw the ghedli through, their very self worth and reducing their expectation to that the Eritrea they inhibit is nothing more than a death trap that they should escape at any cost. It is not like they rared the young graciously and now the young failed. They actually abused, brutalized, divided and polarized the young to the point of many openly cursing the day they became independent (not me). The late Gen Wuchu was rumored to be often saying syreyen eye, terifom eyom to the youth that he brutalized. Again, the massacre of disabled veterans, adi abeyto, era ero, track B … bringing in Somali terror suspects against US threat, foreign armed groups, arming civilians, house to house giffa, torture, deportees being beaten mercilessly… and exclusion from all privileges of normal life and mistreatment in offices and what have you, has all helped to break the moral and spirit of the Eritrean youth. That was a crime against the very humanity of the Eritrean people. To turn up now and say why the youth isn’t doing anything is a bit too absent mindedness. Again, let’s stop just blaming those who did this, but also the tegadelti who looked the other way and also gone as far as supporting the regime in general terms are also responsible. Remember, the civilians were at the mercy of the armed tegadelti, and they have showed them that they would shower the latter with bullets by killing their own disabled. Haw Mahmud, I appreciate for coming forth this far to understand the suffering of the civilian population, but please go further by completely taking the FAIR side, i.e. the people’s side.

    • Nitricc

      Haile your disrespect to Tegadelti is amazing? At least give them the credit they deserve for doing something you never did.
      It is your right to express what ever you want but don’t forget, we are here to protect, respect and go to what ever distance to fight for Tegadelti. Why not come out and join YG? No need to go around it. Shoot.

      • Hope

        Bingo Nittric—you know how to shoot straight and you never kneel down but when praying and shooting.Keep it up but work for a real CHANGE as well.Balance things.
        Of serious NOTE though,think about those thousands in prison for notnhing and top Seniors who were kidnapped and killed in a day light….Fourgenerals dying within a month ina nation with only six million people.
        Think about this as well.
        Do not try to defend killers and kidnappers.Do NOT ask me for evidence–check with PIA.
        Think about the, at least 5000 Eritreans, who lost their lives at the deserts and the seas,NOt to mention the,at least 300,000 young and productive people,who fled the Nation of only 6 million—–simply due to Unconstitutional Governance..

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear haile TG,

      where is the post of brother Mahmud, here is also my reply to him. Till he comes back, I will put it under your comment.

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      Now we are in the ground of common table and able to discuss, just one more step to go tegadaly Mahmud. drop what you saying, “I left Eritrea right after independence and I am not able to have a clear perspective of current situation in Eritrea.”Just drop this line and we will be in tune to share common values. if you say, I didn’t live in the after independence Eritrea (the PFDJ era), we have also the right to say, we didn’t live the gedli era. Come to us and we will come to you. Just drop the line in between. You are well informed about the Eritrean situation just you didn’t drop the pride you built right after 24/05/1991. Drop that and make no boundary in between.

      Even within this month, your tones have changed, I can read between your lines and you are a great father, just welcome and embrace us. If you are from the Tigre ethnic group, I think children are well heard and what they say is considered with great respect. For this, Tigre kids and youths are more confident. This is my attestation, I have observed it.

      You said, ” tes said in one of his comments to me that he did not want to live in the glory of ghedli, he wanted to write his own history, meaning the new generation has to chart out their future. Fair enough; I do not disagree.” Yes you are right that and even now I will repeat it. The point of your disagreement is also respected. But, you didn’t take all my points.

      When I say this, I added also other points, the history that I inherited is my base and I what do is to continue constructing that already foundation/base and I can not finish making history, but I want to have my history recorded so that the next generation will also continue to do so. But, If I stop doing my own history, I will read history only. It is good for me as far as my time the end of the world, and it is not. Therefore, correct please what I say and how I interpret my words.

      Let me tell you on History maker generation is HISTORY MAKER IS SOME ONE WHO DARE TO BE DIFFERENCE,DARE TO MAKE SOMETHING DIFFERENCE, NOT FEAR TO BE SAID DIFFERENCE, NOT SATISFIED WITH ALL TRADITION AND HUMAN LIMIT!” This is the motto.

      And you mentioned YG and likes. It is good that you raised such points. YG is a dead soul philosopher. He is stucked in his 1960’s period and is unable to make a move. I think, his shock, after a a visit to Eritrean in the early days of 2000 threw him 30 years back. It can happen. This being the said so, in his current article on asmarion started the first paragraph by saying,


      It was a great day for Eritrea! This year, every Eritrean worth his/her name celebrated May 24, the day Eritrea got its independence from colonial, feudal and backward Ethiopia 23 years ago; that is, wherever they happened to be, be it in mainland Eritrea or in diaspora, be it in civilian Eritrea or in the national service and, oh yes, be it in free Eritrea or in its prisons and concentration camps. On this day, Eritreans of all stripes set aside their differences, if there were any to begin with – given that theirs is a land of hade hizbi, hade libi (one people, one heart) – and Muslim and Christian, highlander and lowlander, peasants and urbanites, Warsai and Yikealo and regime supporters and detractors, all came together in guaylas throughout the land and in diaspora. They danced, ate and drunk to their fill until the wee hours of the morning.”

      Still in his confused state but I can read some changes of attitude. I think the debate he did with brother Bohasheem helped him to wake-up and is now for the first time started to live in May 24/05/1991. He just saw the fantasy of celebration now. But Eritreans gone through this day 23 years before. What he can’t able yet to live is in 2014. YG, the philosopher of dead Souls!

      Concerning your call to youths, no need to call. We are always doing things on our own way. Don’t expect the same course to happen. Just come-out of your pride. According to general Sibhat’s generation classification, you might be living in the third category (deki tsehay birak), the morning sunshine generation. Those who get-up early and just enjoy the morning sun. According to Sibhat, generations are divided into four: those who do nothing (Muwutan), those who make history (jeganu), those who count what has been done (Azentewti) and those who enjoy what others has done (weresti – abotatom zerekebwom tetekimom nab shirmutunan ewulinan zinebru, deki ketema Venice abzi yimidebu). (If I made an error on classification, pls correct me, as I am writing from my old memories of 2008 files)

      Hawka
      tes

      • Hope

        Can’t agree more.Vet Mahmous Salih reminds me of Semere Tesfay,who exactly said what mahmous said—quote,-“I have no clue what is going on in Asmara other than the PFDJ power struggle”.
        But ,ehy,mahmous salih knows exactly what he is talking about and he desreves more credit than any body in this forum–without exaggeration.This is a guy who calls a Spade,a Spade–to your face.besides being brutally HONEST and Truthful–charming,reconciliatory ,etc–in al its tones.
        Check the way he deals with the Ethiopians here.
        Proud of him-and-accidentally,Iitsounds like happened to have known him—albeit,he might be using a pen name.-.

        • hope

          Pls,read Mahmous as Mahmoud,with apololgy Vet.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Hope,

          good point!

          Hawka
          tes

          • Hope

            “Can’t agree more” meant to mean: I agree with you more than I should—-

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hope,

            yekeniyeley, english hahansab teshkiani eya. I was thinking the opposite.

            Thank you.

            hawki
            tes

            * What is wrong with Saba and Hope? why there is a change in name? Three times to be posted first as Saba and then change as Hope. is Hope = Saba?

          • Hope

            Consult Prof Ermias the Psychic.
            Dr Saba T. is real Saba,an MD by profession.
            Hope is a different man,a student of Dr Saba and Professor,Dr Salih.A.A.Younis-and -Saay can confirm to you that,evn though he does NOT like me at times for my” arroagnce”—that put on Watch list..

          • Hope

            tes,
            Please try to be a bit respectful and do NOT attempt to be on the feet of the Vets.DIA is NOT equivalent to tegadelti.

          • Hope

            Yes,I repeat Vet Mahmous salih desreves MORE CREDIT than most of us here in this forum—-at leats in my Opinion.
            If Halie the Great is entiltled to this title,Vet Mahmoud Salih deserves the Greatest of the greats

    • Saba

      Dear Mahmud Saleh, Good points. I do not know “your way” but now i diagnose you with “NON
      first way NON second way”:) Welcome to the reasonable way. You save me from writing long post to Haile T G, so i will present it in question format.

      Legend:
      the OPPRESSORS are mostly tegadelti
      the OPPRESSED are tegadelti/warsay and civilians
      Haile T G in this post can be read as anyone trying to oppose PFDJ. So i am not picking on you Haile T G.

      Dear Haile T G,
      1. You are appealing to the OPPRESSORS tegadelti, who have allowed demhit to reign in Eritrea, to stop oppressing their people, do you think they listen to you? I call this maY mihQuan (not tesmi)
      2. You are expecting from the oppressed tera tegadelti/warsay to bring you change while you are doing nothing. Let say there is an oppressed tegadalay wardia in karchieli who has a wife and kids. This tegadalay, between his wardia duty, everyday he thinks to escape to Ethiopia. What do you expect this tegadalay should do differently? If the oppressed tegadalay was warsay, what do you expect this warsay should do differently? Your expectation from oppressed warsay/tegadelti should be something you are willing to do? Due to PFDJ strategy, those oppressed tegadelti/warsay have difficulty to unite and develop a plan that can remove PFDJ. So whatever they plan they have to it individually. And then outside they have only the tootless opposition. Do you think this encourages them?
      3. You are focusing too much on TACTICS without a STARTEGY. Tactics like slicing and dicing PFDJ plans, Demhit, focusing 100% of your efforts on youtube of PFDJ victims but with no message of HOPE and SOLUTION. As Mahmud Saleh have said, ‘PFDJ is a uniquely autocratic and repressive brand of any political system I could think of” that is enough to oppose, the rest of your efforts should be on finding solution.
      4. Why you are expecting tegadelti to write your future again? They will write it based on their life, which belongs to the past and you do not seem happy about it already. Do not you want to OWN your future, to write it however you want? Haile this is your fight and your life and not theirs. You are guilty of inaction.
      5. If eritreans regain their freedom, they will love to live their life fully. So they will be less influenced by ethnic/religious influences.
      Here is what you need to do: bring HOPE&SOLUTION to your future. Seize the moment and own your future!

      • Nitricc

        Saba my problem is, I expect more challenges and more push backs, even wars for future Eritrea. It comes with territory. Eritrea’s location and the history of our surroundings coupled with our low population; I am afraid, it won’t be easy for us to exist. If we are disrespecting what people did for their country yesterday; why should I want to sacrifice my self tomorrow if some john Dou is going to rip me of for everything I did? If there are few people need to be criticized, then go ahead but to say ” Tegadelti” blankety in general that is immoral and wrong.
        For a better or worst Tegadelti have done what their time and the challenge of that particular time. They are done. What is the point to drug them on this?
        If you are young plan out for future. If you are a middle age, educate your kid and be positive for the future. If you are old, thanks for your sacrifice and enjoy what ever time you got left.
        What is the point?
        Please don’t discouraged us from defending the country.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Nitricc,

          Jok niaka (kab FB ziwesdekwa eye, b hawna Desale Berekhet Abraham zitetsahfet eya. gele meberaberi entekonetka

          ዝባዊ ግንባር ንኣባላቱ ኣንቂሑ ድዩስ ኣደንቁሩ ኣጋዲልዎም?! ጌና ኣዕሙቕካ ክትምርመር ዘለዋ ሕቶ እያ።

          ገለ ኣብ ሎሚ ኴንካ ክትሓስቦ እንከለኻ ዘስሕቑ፡ ሃንደራእ ኢልካ ዝወሃቡ ምላሻት ግን ኣለዉ።

          ገለ ቁንጣሮ መንቋሕ-ቋሕታ ዝነበሮም ተጋደልቲ፤ “እዛ ዓለም ብፍላይ ድማ እዛ ሃጸያዊት ኣመሪካ ስለምንታይ እያ ትጻባኣና ዘላ?” ዝብል ሕቶ ዘቕርቡ ነይሮም።

          ዘስሕቕ መልሲ ድማ ይወሃቦም ነይሩ።

          “ኣመሪካ ነዳዲ ካብ ስዑዲ ዓረብ እያ እትጥቀም። ስዑዲ ዓረብ ከኣ ከምዚ ትፈልጥዋ፡ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኤርትራ እያ ዘላ። ስለዝስ፥ ንሕና ናጽነትና ረኺብና ነዳድና ምስ ኳዓትናዮ፤ ብምልኡ ነዳዲ ሱዑዲ ዓረብ ሕንኩኽ ኢሉ ናባና እዩ ክዘሩቕ። ኣቤት ኣብዚ ዝነኤኻ ሕልሚ!! ኣመርካ ድማ ነዚ ስለ ዝፈለጠት እያ ኣብ 1952 ብመንገዲ ጆን ፎስተር ዳላስ ገይራ ናጽነትና ከሊኣትና፡ ሕጂ እውን ትጻባኣና ዘላ!” ይምለሰሎም።

          እቶም ዝበዝሑ ካብ መጓሰ ዝመጹ ተጋደልቲ የስተንትኑ። ነዚ ‘ሓቂ’ እዚ ኣብ ርባታት ዓዶም እፈልጥዎ እዮም። ጥቓ ጥቓ ዒላ፤ ዋላ እውን ንእሽቶ ሽያኽ እንተዂዕትካ፡ እታ ታሕተወይቲ ዒላ ንማይ ናይታ ላዕለወይቲ ዒላ ትስሕቦ እያ። ስልዝስ፡ ኮለል ከየበሉኻ ይርድኦም።

          “ርኢኻ ዶ ሽጣራታት በዓል ኣማርካ! እዚ ውድብ እዚ ግን እኮ!” ነቲ ‘ዓርሞሾሽ’ ውድቦም ምስታ ድንኪ ዝኾነት ቁንጽብቲ ኣመሪካ ብምንጽጻር ነዊሕ ፋጻ ወስኾም ኣዕሙቘም የስተንትኑ።

          ብተወሳኺ፤ እዛ ስእሊ ፎርቶ-ከረን፡ ዘምጻእክዋ እውን ብዘይ ምኽንያት ኣይኮነን። ዝኾነ፡ ተጋዳላይ ካብ ከረን ምምጻእካ እንተ ፈሊጡ ዝሓተካ ሕቶ ነይራቶ። ኣብ ሜዳ እዚኣ ሕቶ እዚ ዘይተደጋገመትሉ ወዲ ኸረን እንተ ነይሩ ብርግጽ እንድዒ?

          “ስማዕ እንዶ! ኣብ ፎርቶ-ኸረን-ሲ ‘ዕድልካ ረኤ!’ ዝብል ጽሑፍ ዘለዋ ጉድጓድ ኣላ ኢሎማ – ሓቀይ?” ይሓተካ።

          “እሞ-ኸ?” ተመሊስካ ትሓቶ።

          “ማለት-ሲ ወርቂ እያ መሊኣ ዘላ ኢሎማ?” መሊሱ ባዕሉ ትምኒት ልቡ ይገልጸልካ።
          “ዕድልካ ርኤ፡ ስለ ዝኾነስ፡ ገበል እውን ክህልዋ ይኽእል እዩ!” ከተሰናብዶ ትፍትን።
          ተጋዳላይ እሞ መይቱ ድዩ ክስንብደልካ።

          “እዋእ፡ ናይ ግዜ ቱርኪ እንድያ ግዲ። ገበል ድኣ እንታይ ክቕለብ ክነብር ኣብኡ ክሳብ ሎሚ?! ኣምሓራ እኳ ብምንታይ መዓንጥኤን ከይደፍርኣ። ከረን ምስ ተቛጻጸርናያስ ወርቂ ከም ምሕፋስካ እዩ!” ሓፊሱ-ሓፊሱ ንውድቡ ክጅንጅና ይርኣዮ። ወርቂ ክሓፍስ ድዩ ናጽነት ክሓፍስ ዝጋደል ነይሩ እዝግሀሩ ዋንኡ!
          ድሕሪ ናጽነት ኣይደንጐዩን ደዪቦማ ነይሮም። ‘ሰልዲ-ቀደም’ ንብሎ ዝነበርና ሳናቲም ወዲ ሳንቲም ኣጽኒሓትሎም መስለኒ። ኣይተሓጐሱን!! እንተ ዘይተጋግየ፡ ብርሃነ ገብረትንሳኤ ወኪል ኣገልግሎት ዜና እንከሎ ኣብ ጋዜጣ ሓዳስ ኤርትራ ጽሒፉላ ነይሩ።

          ከይነውሓና እምበር ዛንታይ መጻብቦ ደሴት ሓፊንን መዓስከር ድያ-ጎ-ጋርስያን እውን ኣሎ። ከምዚ ሎሚ ተስፋን ሃፋን ኮይነን ማይ ዓሙኼን ንኽተርፋ!

          ሃየ እስከ ንበርብሮ – ተጋዳላይ-ሲ ከምቲ ዝብሎን ዝመስሎን ብንቕሓት ድዩ ተጋዲሉስ – ከምዚ ንብሎን ዝመስለንናን ዘሎ ብድንቁርና?!

          Hawka
          tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes;
            Amazing!!!!!!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Desale is a tale teller and creative myth writer. he is from the revolutionary school of EPLF (tsabra) and became a prolific writer in Tigre and Tigrigna short stories and tales. I know him personally while he was studying in the same university but senior to me (I am not sure he knows me – I was young and junior to him, but always inspired me. And since he left Eritrea he continued his writings here in the diaspora (my personal narration).

            Anyway, hope it gives some sense as tegadalay neber. bzuh haki hazel zikone kumneger hazel elal eyu.

            hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes; I know him and he served PFDJ till some years ago; was he writing what he was writing when he was with pfdj knowing he was lying to himself. Do you really believe this? Did not most if not all Kerenite believe the legend of Forto-Keren?
            To your knowledge and this is not something you need from me; Ghedli was huge, it included a government like departments, combat forces, all our civilian people in the 75% liberated and semi-liberated areas, hafash wudubat in diaspora and inside enemy, three layers of active duty military, people’s army or hzbawi serawit, regional armies or zobawi serawit, and militia. Of course the majority were young and under educated but not to that stupidity. When I wrote ” amazing” I was awfully amazed to the author’s depiction and particularly on your choice to put it as an exhibition to demonstrate that tegadalay was not as smart as people thought he/she was. tes, we are still alive, people who fought and lived with tegadalai are still alive.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Tegadaly is dead now officially after 24/05/2014. Drafting a new constitution for the next generation has started after all tegadelti are dead. The rest few are just history tellers, the morning sun generation. new generation is coming to build the democratic Eritrea that our tegadelti dreamt before. PFDJ succeeded in one: “In killing the Gedli generation.”

            hawka
            tes

          • haileTG

            Dear tes,

            I think the bravado crazed head would be there for some time. But As you know, tegadelti have controlled every freaking life in Eritrea to create the most backward system in the world.

            Politics: the only single party in Africa, no meaningful diplomacy, sanctioned, isolated threatened
            Economics: fully controlled by black market, 96% export is done by a single Canadian miner Bisha, useless currency in shambles
            Social: oh boy..they lock up youth in no mans land for decades with no prospect of family..mass migration

            Somalia has finally exceeded them in airlines, export earning, parliament…

            oh…they use to be sooo great…dear me dear me us “pricks” what were we thinking!!!! Allow for that bravado intoxicated air hotheadedness brother tes tsk tsk

          • Mahmud Saleh

            TES: “PFDJ succeeded in one: ‘In killing the Gedli generation.’ I agree.
            So, tes, if we take this rationally, I hope you watched your uncle Ande (dejen’s father) on the TV before a week or so, he was one of the innovative transportation tegadelti in mieda. On that TV show right about the time dejen’s scape was ho news, he was talking about his experience and the challenges which they were facing and how they overcame it. That generation was full of examples like Ande. Do you really think Desale was believable when you brought that. I am just curious.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi brother mahmud:
            Well, Ande Hishel appearing on PFDJ TV is bad news, soon he will disappear.
            I did not understand what you said on the Senhit joke cus I am not from there.
            My comments on ghedli and tegadalati is not personal and I am glad that you are taking it that way
            Sem

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam Semere;
            Yes he was on TV and I hope he will be OK; they endured so much. The joke: qTeb (plural) qTbet (sing) is a type of thorny grass, some time enters the shoes, and it’s terribly excoriating. Like the saying a pain in the neck.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmud:
            just coincidence that he is on TV at the same time Dejen was talking?, I do not trust it
            What a nation we have, a tegadalai who spent all his life in ghedli cannot even ask the where about of his child.
            I remember a Kerenite friend telling me that the tegadalti children of those who EPLF disappreared from Keren in 19789 could not bring themselves to inquire what happened to their parents who were taken in the dead of the darkness and never heard from since.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere; you must be a young man. It is true. Ghedli was not the best place you would want to live in in terms of justice.
            a/ It was military, and you know military everywhere is repressive and dictatorial.
            b/ The ideology it followed was, well, the fad of that time, leftist. And leftist theory prepares you for a dictatorial political system, dictatorship of the prolitariat.
            But despite all that and an extremely hostile war pressure, people survived. My view about what transpired after indepeendence and how I feel about it is in the original comment.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            semere; correction, I am not aware of that particular incident, but would not surprise me it was true; we see it even today. Isaid “It’s true” to indicate similar culture of taking away people existed. See below my entire answer.

        • haileTG

          Hey Nitricc,

          So, taking away their armaments and giving it to TPDm and paying the latter better is a way of showing respect to them (which is part of your reply) and hushing their wrong doings here in debate is disrespecting them? huh..I don’t know what’s up with the YG thing, can you explain?

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear, nitricc, there is a reply under saba and tes that might interest you.

        • ALI-S

          Selam Nitricc,

          I absolutely admire your straight no waga-idaga approach. I also like your logic of consistency as we cannot trash tegadalai without trashing ghedli. I agree with you on that. All Eritreans without distinction I believe are with you on maintaining the history of ghedli with all its ups and downs sacred and closed for history.

          The real risk to ghedli and the history of those who paid the ultimate price is coming from tegadelti who survived the ghedli not from the civilian population. The logic of most (with the exception of a few sinister ones who think they can defeat Isaias by trashing ghedli) is almost identical. We cannot defend the history of ghedli without making it illegal to use the history in cheap politics.

          Let us leave the government’s side of tegadelti for now. In the opposition side there are a few “tegadelti camps” mainly the EPDP and the Medrekh whose whole promotion is the sale of Vietnam Veterans to the people. Take every ex-EPLF highranking tegadalai in both these groups: why today? Ask them why they chose to be silent when the Jehova fell in trouble? Why they collaborated when the Muslim teachers were arrested in 1994?

          I am sure she is not very popular here but please read an article that Sophia T wrote (I think it is in tesfanews) about Ambassador Andebrahan comparing the embarrassing flip-flopping. You would be surprised what he had to say about the G15 when he was having fun and what he is saying today.

          Qeysi said in his interview that the reason they did nothing and went along with Isaias was because they were afraid of igniting problems for the nation. Do you believe a word of this? Who would believe that if Qeysi or Andebrahan or Mesfin or AdHanom or any of the others, had spoken up against the arrests of the teachers and the Jehova, they would have ignited a civil war in the mid-nineties?

          I think what people are mad about is this hypocrisy that these “tegadelti” are selling as attachment to their ghedli resume.

          Even if we are blind supporters of the PFDJ and Isaias, I think it would be to our interest politically to stop this trend of ex-tegadelti shedding crocodile tears on a reputation they themselves trashed. For example say your arguments end up immortalizing Sibhat Efrem (just as example) because he is doing a fantastic job defending the country and he is doing it the way he is doing it because he was tegadalai. Now imagine a very possible scenario that Sebhat Efrem runs away and joins the Medrekh or EPDP. What will we then say about this immortal?

          I think that is also the point that Mahmud Basha might be missing. What I am saying is that we need to see the utility of immortalizing tegadelti a quarter of a century after the end of ghedli should be seen from the very dangerous function that the misuse of the term can have by manufacturing war-lords of the future.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ali, this is just to register my agreement with what you said in this article. You are fine when you drive straight 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam Ali-S; Tell me where in my writing have I utilized the title tegadalay to justify that generation’s continued grab of power? All Iam saying is consistent with your statement, and I am jut curious why tegadalay (sorry, I have to use the word) Saleh Gadi left me out of the recognition. I am for owning our history, learning from it, incorporated what’s good and moving forward; I personally said that ghedli generation to achieve the goals they fought for and here is part of what I wrote today:

            “As far as the ghedli generation (both tegadalay and civil) is concerned, unless we accept the fact that we fell way short of reaching our objectives, that we have not only contributed but have been primal resource of the apparatus of repression- contrary to what we believed we fought for- by not fighting back to abuses that we had endured before they became rampant; we will go down in history as a bunch of trigger happy generation with no clear political vision. If war is a tool for a political end, then we need to reevaluate our stances and help that elusive political end get realized. If not,we will end up as a generation embarked on bearing unnecessary sacrifices inflicting upon our people a “prohibitive” cost. Therefore,it’s not dishonoring to affirm the fact that unless we prove the YGites wrong, they will remain relevant and a force to reckon with. A bitter truth? Yes”
            And there is more to it. I am not a politician and do not have any ambition or holding office.i ‘ve thesame opinion about the individuals you are mentioning. No, I do not have soft heart for these individuals, but I care for the hundreds of thousands who have been abused equally hurt by this regime. Overall, we’ve torespect Eritrean history. This is a matter of respecting history and not about who is positioning for power. I do not care who seizes power tomorrow as long as that body respects the will of the people.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Now you have reached into two alternative ways.

            1. To keep your tegadaly pride and end up as history teller (bot writer but azentawi tarik trah – as what you tell need to be cross verified through research).

            2. To follow your heart and your heart is free of any pride, (I can read that).

            If you choose the second one, you will end-up peacefully for the rest of your life and what you tell us as history is true. In other hand, if you choose the first way, one I would like to remind you that you are against your heart and second it is because of pride. The Holly Book (Bible) says pride comes before failure, sure you will fail as already the tegadalay is Dead by now since may 24, 2014. And more, if you follow the first option we, the young generation do not have option except to opt-out. Not only to opt-out but to “weed-you-out.” It is easy for us, we know your mindset and we can trash into pieces so that you can be freed from the hallucination of tegadaly statehood.

            hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes;
            why not both? I like your proffesorial presentation and the length you go to explain to me. tes. you would not feel any pride of the end result, OK. You did not miss anything; I would not repeat it. But that’s our history. I urge you to read my original comment, all my messages are similar. Tell me one by one where yopu would want me declared dead. I am not that old; and I believe I am contributing. So, no untimelt declaration of death, buddy. Remember: this not for me; it’s for those selfless people who did what they could and are still enduring the same repression that their people are bearing; it’s not about the small mafia circle. Haile posted Adi Abeyto massacre, were not those victims tegadelti, were not those disabled veterans tegadelti? Isn’t dejen tegadalai? I really need to know why you guys with your bigger than average brain do not try to separate things. I will keep engaging you with respect, and any strong word I use is intended to emphasize the subject under discussion and not personal issues, per se. As a little brother or son (depends on your age) I would expect you to answer my question. I asked you earlier a question and you have yet to answer it (about Ande’s TV appearance r/t that silly story of Desale you pasted. semere already checked it and verified it).

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            My readings between your lines is very good that it will continue to irritate you. You already know that I am very new to the ongoing opposition society and hence little know-how I have about many of the prominent writers like you. Before responding to your question, I searched who Mahmud Saleh is. So far, we are sharing very excellent conversations here in awate. Thank you so much. Having this in mind, let me share some of your recent posts that oppose the on-going campaign to STOP SLAVERY in Eritrea.

            here is your long and well argued article that I found in (http://erigazette.org/?p=7580). the title of your article is, “Thank you our heroes, you are not slaves.” Your first lines of your great (great on its own way) article states,

            “Thank you our defense forces, you are not slaves; thank you our National Service heroes, you are not chattels; you are the proud Eritrean Defense Forces. I am deeply proud of you and appreciative of the services you are providing to our people and the sacrifices you are enduring under difficult situation.”

            And then you continued to define what slavery is.

            I may indulge myself in debate through logical reasoning and nullify your very basic title.

            Then, let me go back to your question. You are asking me first to watch the historical narration of gedli of tegadal Ande Hishel (which I could’t find it yet-sorry for that) and his personal participation to make the independence to happen. Well and good, I am bold to Eritrean history and to people who make this great miracle to happen during the gedli era. I told you several times, I am proud of our history. What I mean is, I have never entertained the gedli history as a history which was done by somebody else. It is our history. I accepted it as it is and is part of my history. therefore, let you stop kindly to go into such remote history. The gedli history is now with me.

            To come to yourself, YES now after reading this article written by you, you are living very far from the reality purposefully. If you can’t accept the current Eritrean military service as it is equivalent to SLAVERY, why should I waste my time to go into others. I better prefer to tell you that it is “PURE SLAVERY.” If you continue to argue with it, I have strong argument to proof you that it is slavery. Your confession here as if you are far behind the current reality is a BOLD rejection of our miser, torture, kidnapping, human trafficking, rape, youth exodus, suffering, poverty etc. I will not defer to convince you that you are adding value to our misery. And writing such articles against the campaign to stop slavery is nothing but you are against JUSTICE. Purely and crystal clear labeling now, you are pure PFDJ.

            I have your mindset before and now I have got a proof about who you are. I thank you though, you are a democratic PFDJ, the entertainer, the Yemane Gebreab kind, the guru of excuses. Kudos, brother Mahmud Saleh. Here I am to chop you into pieces and detract you from your PFDJ MINDSET.

            Hawka
            tes

            * Your gedli history is well respected. No need to go there, I respect and I am proud of your past history. I am dealing now with your current status.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes; Thank you for bringing up that article. I still stand by it. I have opposed the abuse of the program but I DO NOT CALL THOSE HEROES SLAVES. I KNOW FOR SURE WHO CALL THEM SLAVES.They would not need anyone to free them. Since they are not slaves they will do it on their own when the day comes. That’s the message I have been delivering. Change will come from inside, by the Eritrean people and their defence forces. I consider them as active and intelligent enough, armed to the teeth and able to decide their way out; I do not consider them some docile, impotent, pitiful conquered slaves waiting for a toothless entities to set them free. No. Regarding your verbage : I am too old to get rattled by your bullying tactic. I told you, you are the one who benefited from the system not me. You are the one who was a chosen cadre of YGebreab not me. I had known Yemane when he was a liberation fighter, not when he became PFDJ boss; so stop that cheap shots. You may entertain the wishful idea of placing me in boxes; it’s futile and infantile. Furthermore, dictionary is handy these days; you do not need to waste your time.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Here I am arguing with your mindset, not your age. I am considering you as a fighter. There is age difference between you and me as far as we have common ground. If you want respect, give me your hand, I will kiss you. That is how I grew-up and still I respect. Therefore, kindly stop reminding me your age. If you do so, I will call you aboy Mahmud, in english no special words for elders but either I can use Tigrigna, Zikheberkum aboy Mahmud or en français, VOUS étes (pour votre respect).

            And, there is a big difference between calling slaves and saying, National service is Slavery. The campaign is, “Stop Slavery.” I agree with you that they can free themselves. Indeed they are doing. They are fleeing from the country in all directions, the youth exodus. Are you saying this, or they can wage war, “civil war”to end Slavery by themselves? these are the two options. Either to flee from this slavery or to fight against to be free from SLAVERY. The first choice is already at its peak, more than 300,000 youths have already left. The second is to open civil war, the last and only final solution unless this slavery is ended.

            We hate both for sure. The stop slavery campaign is an international call to all concerned communities, including PFDJ and the Eritrean people as well as international community to be aware about the on-going national slavery in Eritrea and stop it. If the response is positive, well and good; No Youth exodus and there will not be civil war. How can you say that the national military conscripts are well equipped and if they want they can do it themselves. Waiting your response.

            hawka
            tes

            * regarding your age, now I am considering you as my age and indeed you as far as you are opposing our current condition. We have only and only one option, to rebuff you.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Merhaba tes; if you read the article you will see clearly I am against forced labor and the national service as it stands now, its unending nature. I am for disclosing the abuses, I am against the government policies including NS. I am saying this is part and parcel of the regimes distructive policies; I do not agree at all with labeling these men and women slaves. On its practicality who are you calling to end uit any way? You know that no country can force another country how to organize its defence forces. Who is going to free them? So, tes I really want to focus on central issue, and that this regime called PFDJ. The article was posted on ASSENNA, togoruba, Erigazette, and is on my facebook, so it’s not a secret. I appreciate your delicate walk to respect my age; it’s OK, you may call me however you want. I enjoy your inputs.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            I didn’t see anyone saying slaves except you. Luwam said, According to your emphasis, Luwam said, ““I‘ve been tamed to accept servitude and captivity systematically…….. but it took us some time to understand the full extent of the slavery, disguised as national service. It is only now that we have come to realize that we were nothing but mere slaves of the PFDJ regime.”

            She is not putting herself out of the slavery, she is part of it. She started by saying, “I’ve been tamed…” she is not saying, “they’ve tamed…” Luwam is part of the slavery.

            And concerning the 2%, after fleeing from the slavery, she is also asked to pay 2% in the place that she thought she was FREE for ever. She was shocked such follow-up is till her exiled home. She put it like this, according to your emphasis,

            ““Even after surviving all that the expectation is to remain silent and disappear into a new type of slavery. Not me!I refuse to shut up and continue to serve through 2%…I refuse to be slave anymore I risked my life to set myself free, so I will live free.”

            Then, where is the word that you are claiming for? Luwam is saying that she was enslaved. And she has a right to call herself “I am enslaved” and which I am also “Enslaved.” can you deny what I am saying? Actually you are denying, because you have unlimited power on what others say by the name of tegadalay.

            For your record, you are very far from the reality, but in Eritrea, National service is no more called now agelglot. It is called “zeywdae barnet” This is what we use to say. Luwam is just making it to be heard what we used to say. I thank for Luwam and her compatriots who are campaigning to end SLAVERY.

            Therefore, No one is saying slave. We are saying by ourselves, “we are enslaved by the name of national service.”

            Your article is just a manifestation of your inner fear. Dear brother Mahmud, you are better than the autocrats, just join your hand to campaign with Luwam and her friends to end this slavery. By the way, the UN human rights watch will hear the Eritrean case in this month. be the voice of the voiceless. End your old mindset, be YOUNG.

            Concerning your focal point, the central issue, the regime in Asmara, the PFDJ, how can you focus if you accept the endless national service which is slavery to us. PFDJ’s ideology,

            The ideology states,

            “We do not want war, nor are we afraid of it, nor do we beg peace from the imperialists.” The decidedly belligerent policy of countering any perceived “imperialist moves of aggression and war” with violence was seen as the best way to defend national independence and to win the revolutionary cause. The implementation of this self-reliant defense system would involve the mobilization of the whole country and the complete inculcation of ideology in the armed forces. Those who were not directly taking up arms were to contribute to the construction and maintenance of the domestic defense industry and remain ideologically prepared, so that the home front would be united in a sense of socio-political superiority.” … extracts from my article on awate.com.

            This is their basic ideology and motive behind this slavery.

            Therefore, if we can not renounce this ideology, our central issue, PFDJ can not be reached in totatility. Let’s dismantle PFDJ in all dimensions.

            may be, you are defending from the perspective of national security issue and of course you as tegadalay. but, is militarization the solution for national security? A question for you.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud, Haile TG, Amanule Hidrat, Rodab, Saba and Nitric

            Please listen this interview. No comment from my side!

            Hawkum

            tes
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC8CqoGf33M

          • Rodab

            Tes bro,

            Thanks for the vid. The title is misleading, this was about referendum and not about protests.
            Who are the guys accompanying him? Anyway, this conference must be one of his least controversial one. Those were his heydays too.

            Here is my treat for you. It’s a nice piece of history:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blEmpAgn-6I

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Rodab,

            Thank you.

            hawka
            tes

          • Rodab

            Dear MaHmud SaleH,

            Your positions on many issues (may be most) are something I can see myself endorsing. But with regards to the campaign against NS, I disagree. Young Luwam is one of the members of this project. A while ago , she detailed the situation in an article that appeared here at Awate. This one: http://awate.com/we-knew-it-was-wrong/

            The bottom line is the campaign was launched out of the lack of other alternative means to solving this endlessly miserable NS abuses that has become the nightmare of every Eritrean family. God knows what the elderly, women and children are going through due to the absence of the badly needed help from the productive force [the sons, daughters, husbands, sisters, brothers…]

            If you think there is a better way of addressing this huge national burden, in lieu of the campaign, it will be something worth discussion.

            Having said that, I dislike labeling people ‘pfdj’ or this and that. We can have different views without having to belong to any political group.

            Brukh meAlti.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam Rodab:
            I do not support this endless service, I have close relatives, many, who wasted their prime time in it. I am against abuses; it needs to end. I do not call it slavery; and I do not think campaigning under that banner will change the situation. I push for making this an Eritrean cause, the center of gravity of opposition activism, and push for an overall far reaching change. So, here we do not disagree. I do not call them slaves, because:
            a/ technically they are not
            b/ because they are not and because they are active and able to be utilized as agents of change, lets encourage them in our messages for standing up for their rights.
            c/ you know it’s not practical to force a country how it should organize its defense resources; that’s the right of each government. So, how do they intend to stop “slavery” if they can not bring endless national service= slavery. So my attitude is to be realistic, and practical. Of course you will attention and funding, but does that translate in to relieving the situation. I am just curious to help me understand how that campaign translates in to real solution.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            dear Mahmud,

            Join your hand to end slavery

            hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes; I gave you an up vote, for your tenacity. I have been against abuses for long while you were being groomed by them to be the “chosen one” , yes tes, the spin doc.You keep avoiding my tough questions I asked questions in every exchange I have made, and you have been avoiding the; cramming my little brain with googlable materials. Who is going to end the endless service/ “slavery” and how? That’s the crucial point; it is about looking at our youth as active and capable of bringing change and encouraging them in their efforts to resist abuses (my view) and labeling them as poor slaves who cannot free themselves; hence get funds, agitate some wise European lawmakers, and magically those European law makers will change the situation ( yours). Come on, you know it better than me.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Here it goes,

            I will start with your referred definition of slavery.

            Slavery definition:

            A: Drudgery, toil

            a. Drudgery (explained) – http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/drudgery

            Example: If you’ve ever had to do the laundry, wash the dishes, make the meals,
            change the bedding, vacuum the house, and clean the bathrooms day after
            day, you’ve experienced drudgery. Drudgery is hard, mindless, backbreaking work.

            explanation: When you say the word drudgery, you can almost feel the hard, plodding work that it describes. You have to put some effort into saying the dr- sound. Then, as soon as you get through the breathy -u-, you’ve got two more hard sounds in -dg- and -er-
            before you get another break with the final vowel sound. Just as you
            might drag yourself doing those repetitive, grinding chores, you have to
            drag your way through pronouncing the word.

            b. (n) Hard menial or dull work, (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/drudgery)

            c. boring and unpleasant work that you have to do ( http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/drudgery)

            Do you need more, let me add you one more,

            d. hard boring work (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/drudgery)

            Then what??????????????????????????

            B. Toil

            verb
            verb: toil; 3rd person present: toils; past tense: toiled; past participle: toiled; gerund or present participle: toiling
            1.
            work extremely hard or incessantly.
            “we toiled away”
            synonyms:work hard, labour, work one’s fingers to the bone, work like a Trojan, work like a dog, work day and night, exert oneself, keep at it, keep one’s nose to the grindstone, grind away, slave away, grub away, plough away, plod away; More
            informalslog away, peg away, beaver away, plug away, put one’s back into something, work one’s guts out, work one’s socks off, knock oneself out, sweat blood, kill oneself;
            informalgraft away, fag;
            informalbullock;
            vulgar slangwork one’s balls/arse/nuts off;
            vulgar slangwork one’s ass/butt off;
            archaicdrudge, travail, moil
            “she rolled up her sleeves and toiled all night”
            antonyms:rest, relax, laze
            move slowly and with difficulty.
            “she began to toil up the cliff path”
            synonyms:struggle, move with difficulty, labour, trudge, tramp, traipse, slog, plod, trek, footslog, sweat, drag oneself, fight (one’s way), push; More
            informaltrog, yomp;
            informalschlep
            “she began to toil up the cliff path”
            noun
            noun: toil; plural noun: toils
            1.
            exhausting physical labour.
            “a life of toil”synonyms:hard work, toiling, labour, slaving, struggle, effort, exertion, application, industry, grind, slog, {blood, sweat, and tears}, drudgery; More
            (Source: https://www.google.ro/?gws_rd=cr&ei=QgGLU6ePJ8yXyQPWiYHYCA#q=toil)

            if not enough for you,

            b. to work hard and long
            to proceed with laborious effort (Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toil)

            c. Origin of the word toil

            1250–1300; Middle English toile (noun), toilen (v.) < Anglo-French toil contention, toiler to contend < Latin tudiculāre to stir up, beat, verbal derivative of tudicula machine for crushing olives, equivalent to tudi- (stem of tundere to beat) + -cula -cule
            With the rest, I will come up next.

            2: submission to a dominating influence
            3 a: the state of a person who is a chattel of another, b: the practice of slaveholding
            (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery):

            Hawka

            tes

          • Solomon Seyum

            Please recommence your rational thinking on your U-Turn series. Add fire to it if you must. Those hypocrites you have mentioned her on your response to Nitric here their silence then and their crocodile tears afterwards now is due to ONLY ONE THING. It is because they turned to be GRABBERS. Deprivation, I suppose, due to being on the hills for so many years has a lot to do with it. Any Ali I know you know it. IT IS ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS. You were hot on the trail and I sure hope you would reignite that fire. Damn the need to belong. You have the formula and DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO CONVINCE ONE INDIVIDUAL AT A TIME. Present your papers. Correct me if I am wrong. But you did say not to long a go “I am man enough to stand corrected.” Don’t sit down… and most of all don’t get distracted. Lone star you are.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Ali Salim
            From your writing I thought you are in a business of political persuasion, however the above comment is destroying it. People go though different stages and need different reasons to disassociated themselves from their political beliefs or stand. Some like yourself infected with less PFDJ blood need the Jehova or 1994 Muslim teachers arrest and others on the heavy dose need more like the Lampedusa tragedy. Are you trying to monopolise the opposition camp and issuing licenses, who is qualified to join and who isn’t? I think any one disassociating himslef from the regime and joining the change side should be welcomed regardless of the timing. At last not least what I would like to say is better late than never.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Younis (YH) & the rest,

            Why do we talk about Tegadalay and I-tegadalay (zeytegadalay) after a quarter of a century since the ghedli era is ended. Why do we need this kind of categorization at this stage – age of our nation? The longer we use this classification, the longer the tegadalti will fight for more privileges and will keep resisting transformation. Advertently or inadvertently we are holding them from being transformed and by extension the Eritrean politics. Think about it.

            Semnay MeAlti,
            Amanuel H.

          • Nitricc

            Ali S
            I get you and thanks for the replay. I am not denying there are few ex-Tegadelti who are in power now and might be abusing their responsibilities. It is not unique to Eritrea, you can find it in any given society. So, trust me I know. My problem is the generalization. When the name Tegadaly comes up it seems for you there is a picture of Sibhat, Mesfin and the rest big guns. For me when I hear the name Tegadaly, the crippled person who lost both legs comes to mind; the person who lost both eyes comes to mind; a person who gave it but settled somewhere poor as dirt comes mind.
            The vision in my head is disturbing. After they gave their youth now only do they left for nothing but their name has to drugged through mad by the people who never miss their daily meal in their life.
            So, Ali, I think we are looking at from different perspective. You are looking at the few, the elites and the big guns. I am looking at the majority who has gained nothing but lost everything for Eritrea.
            For the recorded; I am by nature for the little guys. I will stand for life. I can’t stand elites.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          salam nitricc;
          Well, tegadelti have been pronounced dead today by non other than Dr.tes. You have been very focused on this topic, it’s not for a joke that I express my appreciation eventhough we disagree on other topics.

      • Rodab

        Dear Saba,

        I am laughing at and enjoying your reign on the three big ones – Hailat, Serray and Semere. seT lebeT abilkyom hahaha. If Tes is asking for it, let him have the taste too:-)

        Aside from that however, what is your proposal or solution for a better Eritrea? You criticize people for ‘doing nothing and expecting others to do the job’. I am not sure that is neither a fair criticism nor an accurate one, because struggles don’t necessarily involve military hardware, they come in many forms. Exposing the government’s injustices and bringing abuses to the spotlight is one form of struggle for justice. You may dismiss it as barely ‘cyber talk’, but I can tell you that cyber warfare against injustices and dictatorship is playing crucial role in raising awareness and lifting the level of peoples’ consciousness. It is not for no reason the PIA and his yes-sir men are fearful of the role cyber information is playing, and have employed huge cyber army to counter it. It is not for no reason it was said ‘technology is fighting us and has become our number one enemy’, it is not for no reason the President’s supporters, ambassadors and his spokesperson have cyber offices in twitter and else where in the cyber world. It is not for no reason internet and mobile services back home are kept in check and to the minimum services, wezete…

        So Sabi, you would be smart to never underestimate what is being done by courageous yet diversified Eritreans such as Awate (including us Awatistas), Assenna, Meskerem, Asmarino, Harnnet and others. wedeHanki.

        • haileTG

          Hey Rodab, I replied to Saba without reading yours, that means you’re either as smart as me or as dipstick as me..me don’t know what to make of my crazy self 🙂

        • Nitricc

          Rodab.
          Don’t lose your title as the voice of reason and fairness.
          Haile is dismissing anything about Tegadelti.
          Saba is asking Haile, if you are courageous enough to criticize Tegadelti; then what have you done?
          I think it is fair, you don’t think so?

          • haileTG

            Com’n Nitricc, you know that is not the truth now!

            Tegadelti, including with one surviving and others haven’t made it, in my family and you think that I am “dismissing” the feat they achieved!! How and where did you read me say that? In fact, simply for the heck of making sure, whenever I am on that topic I mention in passing ghedli’s significance and the contribution of many tegadelti. Now, what is up with violating the first commandment “Have no other God but me”. What about that which has gone wrong? There is nothing we can do about it, and revenge is not what is sought after here but healing. True healing comes with sincere recognition of wounds that we inflicted on each other. Tegadelti like Haw Mahmud can lead the way in bridging the gap.

            There is something odd that I notice about the young Eritrean generation, the YPFDJ are fake and everyone knows that, many others somewhat quietly abandoned or turned their back on national issues. We need to acknowledge wounds (we may be exaggerating by being on the receiver’s end and tegadelti are obstinate in hopping that the people would see beyond their sufferings at some point). Healing starts when there is an open (explosive at times) communication as to how each side see it. Saying that unless one curbs their attitude the change would be delayed or because of the positive let’s forget the negatives is self deceiving. So, I know that I am opening difficult subject here but we can give it some space ma man, let it chill 😉

          • Hope

            Haile the G:
            YG’s brother is also a ghedli Survivor tegadalai and people may believe that you might have joined mamma ethiopia–underground by the way you are expressing yourself.Hating PFDJ does not make one an Eritrean,I mean a real ONE.
            If you are a Smerr student or cadre and you are sympathizing with the weyanes,at least by keeping silent about their crimes against Eritreans and justifying their crimes—then we have every right to suspect….as here in this forum,about 75% of the debators ,by a gross estimate,are either Ethiopians/weyanes and or pseudo-Eritreans.
            I will invite” Professor” Ermias from the Department of “Psychicology” to help us figure out as to who is who. here.
            I do NOTbuy your arguement that the problems Eritrea and the Eritreans facing are exclusively due to the PFDJ and telling us that the weyanes have done nothing wrong, over and over like ,an insane person,and worse,pushing to buy your outdated areguement.

          • haileTG

            Hope..and that worry you does it? And the topic here, in case you miss it is that since no Tigrayan would have reason to pick up arms against their own people, much less on behalf of your type, why are TPDM in Eritrea and why did tegadelti made to hand over their prized assets to TPDM while they beat the sh%$% to Shimelba..huh

          • Hope

            Let us wait for Weyanay Teweldeberhan Kifle to shed some light about Demhit as he might know better about the conspiracy.
            Did you know that ,according the Indian Ocean Letter that PMMZ and DIA were communicating via a highly secured skype until the last minute?Did you hear the rumors that DIA visited PMMZ secretly when PMMZ was sick?DIA did it before when he met PMMZ secretly in Nairobi without the knowledge of his Cabinet and that was why Petros Solomon challenged him but only to be jailed.
            Some one with a nick of Truth or JWPAL already bomb-shelled about Demhit role.
            I just finsihed Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie’s Discussion paper and I would suggest you read it and you wiill find some answers.
            The AT also clarified its position about Demhit,which makes sense but the Demhit role is beyond that.
            The Tigray -Tigrigni issue is still alive and the kebessans in the EPLF were at fore Front supporting it….and I am witness on that..So why are you surprised as if you have no clue unless you are trying to sell some thing as usual?

          • haileTG

            Yes I am trying to sell something as usual. Just out of interest though, why are you trying to impose your own topics and preferred discussion points? Just start a thread and see if people would find it interesting enough to follow it up. If they they don’t switch to something else. I really get tired out about people who have nothing to discuss other than about the very issue of having a “discussion” itself. That is called trivial.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Haile TG;
            As I read this moderate comment, I thought may be I am getting lost in translation. Can you show me where I am going wrong? Please read my original comment, and focus on the portion commenting on Semeres quoted part, the intro part was for getting you a bit agitated. My message has been consistent.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Haw Mahmud (I hope you start to see the fine details here 🙂

            Indeed, you make great conciliatory comments. You also make brazen and ill-considered observations during your hyperbole as regards ghedli. Let me give a logically equivalent case as an example. Take for example, a white South African referring to some black anti-segregation activists as “pricks” “toothless” “worse than outsiders”…further he pays lip service to the suffering of the blacks at the hands of the settlers and calls for reconciliation, albeit arguing that they [blacks] need to be thankful for the role the settlers played in building South Africa. He also says that he knows little about the day to day going of the blacks, but whatever they say is something he supports, even if most of his friends are settlers like him and in any case the blacks “toothless” and “pricks” deserve justice and at the same time respect the great feats that the settlers achieved [for themselves] and somewhat think it is good for them too.

            Now, consider another white South African, who is truly ashamed and indignant at the way the blacks were mistreated by the settlers, deeply sympathies with the ordeals they went through, takes proactive steps to be a voice for them and the first to condemn his fellow settlers and and is absolutely on the side justice. Not just on the side of negotiated justice that demands partial humiliation of the victim. This guy reaches out to the victims and does all in his/her power to amplify their voice and what have you.

            To be blunt, Haw Mahmud, you are on record to be like the first guy in the above examples. Of caurse the issue isn’t like that of SA, yet, when Nitricc call us toothless or pricks or what ever (not that he called me that) it is OK, because he doesn’t represent the part of the bone of contention. You, as tegadalay, however it creates a different atmosphere altogether. When your colleagues entered Eritrea, armed to the teeth, as an independent state, they claimed all the loot, and made us experience the worst form of treatment that has stained our history for good. You sure are on the good side, but on their side nevertheless. When call Eritreans (however weak) to be “toothless” or “pricks”, indeed you’re right (unlike Nitricc). You’ve the trophy to show for it. We are useless and toothless, our dead are strewn all over the deserts and high seas, we have no country to call our own (turned into rental investment property of the notorious tegadelti), Eritreans are broken down and made to hate the day they set on a journey with these betrayers and inhuman sadists. So, when you are calling us “toothless” it strikes a different cord as opposed when Nitricc, Saba or hope say it. Those have nothing to prove for having a teeth themselves, while you can prove it anytime of the day.

            So you are mindless of your “role” (real or perceived) based on information that you shared with us to be a tegadalay. When you call me toothless or prick or whatever, that may cool down your understandable rage for my daring to reclaim my dignity, but I see those in dungeons of tegadelti and (civilian and tegadelti alike) being beatten the hell out of and are indeed toothless to do anything. In deed we are toothless. You need, I think, recognize the fact that people see you as part of what created the current system and need to be mindful of how you choose your words of communication (by far better than mine and others but it still seems short in sincerity).

            Finally, Haw Mahmud, I am mindful of how this whole topic pains you. But pain exists when truth isn’t accepted. In truth, there is no pain but comfort, no fear but courage, no chaos but order, no betrayal but trust and no dishonor but the highest of accolades. So, I still call upon you to accept truth, instead of talking and sounding like the first guy in my example above.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat (Haile-TG),

            This is the top argument you made against arrogance and down players to what the regime is doing to our nation and its people. Haw Mahmud have to swallow the blunt examples you gave him. And the quote of the week will be “In truth, there is no pain but comfort, no fear but courage, no chaos but order, no betrayal but trust and no dishonor but the highest of accolades.” Well said my friend.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Marhaba Amanuel Hidrat
            Our conversation on constitution is not done yet. Yesterday I went to comment on what I thought were interesting questions Haile TG posed, and veered away from the constitution subject we had exchanged views on the day before. I read your reply to Haile and want me to ” swallow the blunt examples” Haile gave me. If you could read this quoted part of a comment I had and posted which is the source of this thread and then help me out with the request at the end, I would appreciate that.
            “As far as the ghedli generation (both tegadalay and civil) is concerned, unless we accept the fact that we fell way short of reaching our objectives, that we have not only contributed but have been primal resource of the apparatus of repression- contrary to what we believed we fought for- by not fighting back to abuses that we had endured before they became rampant; we will go down in history as a bunch of trigger happy generation with no clear political vision. If war is a tool for a political end, then we need to reevaluate our stances and help that elusive political end get realized. If not,we will end up as a generation embarked on bearing unnecessary sacrifices inflicting upon our people a “prohibitive” cost. Therefore,it’s not dishonoring to affirm the fact that unless we prove the YGites wrong, they will remain relevant and a force to reckon with. A bitter truth? Yes”
            ***This is how I see things, and there is more to it in the original comment. I would like to see how you consider this topic.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Mahmud,

            I would have agreed on your reflection as quoted, if you wouldn’t put us in one basket, for all the good and bad actions of our generation. Each of us we reap what we sow. Consequently, history will absolve or condemn each of us on how we carry our deeds and responsibilities. Certainly historians have a ” human measuring stick event” and each of us at one time will face that reality.

            Second, no one will jump to war for a political end. If the oppression is done for a political end, there will be a tipping point where the oppressed section turn into a violent action against their oppressor. Wars are dictated by the reality that makes them to happen as a discourse of history to change history. Take for example, the Eritrean people, didn’t started the armed struggle because they want a bloody war. When all the peaceful political struggle exhausted and couldn’t actualize their aspiration, they resort in to an armed struggle. Dictators will only listen to a violent wrath of the people. The Eritrean people will learn that lesson one day and will rise up to stage their struggle to that level to end the oppression. Let me make it clear my position: because I explained the circumstances of wars and nature of dictators is by no means I am declaring a war on behalf of Eritrean people. Wars broke when the oppression becomes unbearable to the oppressed people. The Eritrean in the Diaspora, don’t have the right to tell the oppressed Eritrean people to wage or not to wage war against their oppressor. We have to support them in any effort they want us to help them and if they need an educated guidance to the overall struggle, we should be ready to heed for that kind of call. That is the rule of engagement that will eventually happen in the near and foreseeable future.

            Senay Leiti,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Marhaba Amanuel: Very well said; Just for your information: By ghedli generation I have those directly involved in it in mind; hafash wudubat and tegadelti, particularly tegadelty,
            1. For obvious cultural shortcomings (ghedli experience) they were not ready to demand the transformation and reorientation themselves to modern civil administration, creating a climate where our people got the chance of defining the form and nature of their government.
            2. After it was clear our political destiny was hijacked, tegadelti have not shown visible resistance, although we should consider the security situation. We know the majority are equally repressed, but there is no question they have been in the forefront of implementing the blunders of the regime. I understand this.
            3. My difference with my critiques is: the majority of them could be part of the changing efforts. They are victims of their acquiescence. However, they are changing, My friend Aman, any political demands and pressures you hear of today in Eritrea involve these veterans.
            Thank you.
            brukh leiti.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Haylat TG how about a cease fire;

            “Finally, Haw Mahmud, I am mindful of how this whole topic pains you. But pain exists when truth isn’t accepted. In truth, there is no pain but comfort, no fear but courage, no chaos but order, no betrayal but trust and no dishonor but the highest of accolades. So, I still call upon you to accept truth, instead of talking and sounding like the first guy in my example above.” Aceepted, noting that the comparison was unnecessary and tasteless.
            Regarding the words “toothless” and ” prick”, they were used jokingly, a joke gone wrong; you can see my transition from that “joke” to the body of my message. Another point, I think both of us have failed in appreciating the information we are exchanging and got carried away by emotions. To see this, just compare my replies and yours. I do not represent the segment we are talking about; I washed my hands off long time ago. I do not need that “title” or the “honor” it carries; actually, I am persona non grata simply for raising my opposition to the regime (You said you are a regular visitor), I also know you do not represent the whole opposition. As far as I am considered, I see you as equal citizen. Neither of us has the right or the authority to brand the other; in this case I know my joke was tasteless, and possibly offensive. I would ask you to check your replies to me too, and see if you can find some of the blanket characterizations unwarranted and inappropriate. All I have been saying is that we need to stop dehuminizing thousands of equally abused veterans who are doing the best they could in dire situation, most of therm in their twilight, and getting the brunt of the regime first hand, try to separate the hundreds of thousands who have no interest in the current regime and who could well play a role in our struggle to bring an end to this misery.” That’s all what I am saying. I have time and again said that we fell way short of our goals, and take the blame seriously that tegadalay let this regime brutalize our nation. It is a fact. there is no way out of it. I have listed reasons/ contexts which I think could explain why we are where we are. What we need at this point is inclusiveness, hope and solution oriented approach. Accountability certainly will come when the condition is suited. The reason why I keep engaged with you is not only your “TG” title, but I have been able to open eyes; see things from different angles. As long as you keep your facts and comments flowing, I can tolerate your some times sour replies.
            Hawka

          • haileTG

            Hey Mahmud Saleh,

            I will do better than that. How about a peace deal 🙂 You see, a cease fire is temporal and I think we have reached a point, where I think we should go our separate ways. I thought you were guy to do business with, to deal with the truth of the matter, but you stuck to your guns. Let’s leave the guns fall silent, as my intention was never attrition.

            1) I am glad that you think you’ve washed your hands clean, presumably because you left long ago and wrote an article opposing the regime. Despite of course, your social circles are tegadelti, you espouse the core belief that has locked the civilians and tegadelti in water and oil state (in evidently real manner than wishful thinking) and that your perception of the other side is “they should stop blame game” and “should do their turn”…all failed mentality with no prospect of breakthroughs.

            2) That you believe change would come by that section is contradiction in essence that we are trying to address. Inadvertently, however, you seem to agree on their role in blocking the needed change (thus your predictions are misplaced expectations at best:).

            I don’t think you’d grasp what I am on to in here. I also don’t really value self serving summaries of one’s own comments. We can all read and digest, thank you very much. I am fully capable of defending (which I do in many cases) the history of the Eritrean PEOPLE and their ghedli. It is a FACT that the tegadelti portion of ghedli has a lot to answer for (as is everybody else too). It would need a certain level of courage and risking one’s ego to confront the hardened realities that has fractured our society. It is a fact that many youngsters totally resent the tegadelti and only admire them from distance and don’t wish to get close. My plan was to have frank exchanges that would illicit a tegadalay himself to openly, frankly and courageously engage with hard and painful facts that is at the heart of the matter. I believe what sets awate forum from others is the depth of the discussions that go on here.

            I sense you’re still a tegadalay, you live and breath it as good as any (despite finding solace in imagining that somewhat you washed your hands off of it). My search would go on for another tegadalay, who would see the man in the mirror and say “something ain’t quite right”. If he/she happen to be as diplomatic as you, all the better, else I would wear my thick skin for the job. What has got to be done, got to be done.

            About issues of change and how it is gonna come about, I hear ya loud and clear. Touch wood. Yes we are all equal, and the minute people start to work on that truth, things would get moving again.

            Regards

          • Mahmud Saleh

            HaileGT: OK, fair enough; thank you for your reply. You said, ” I think we should go our separate ways.” That’s fine. I am not going to respond to all the allegations you have been throwing to me, my ideas are on record, and readers will have their own say on them. Keep searching for the “right” candidate; while reminding you that I am not joggling for candidacy and if it was the case you would not be the one I would appeal to.
            Regards;
            Disengaging.

          • haileTG

            Yeah Mahmud: disengaging from this side too. I am letting you off with the last say. For old time’s (deed) sake 😉

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear haile TG,

            Come on pal, you are the great and don’t let us off. Challenge us and we will challenge you, no escape. Agatami endiyu anen nisikan ab hade naeta alena kona.

            hawka
            tes

          • haileTG

            Selamat distinguished observers, diplomats, mediators, friends and foes 🙂

            If we are all on the same page (understanding each other and attitudes right on the money) then I shall go on to explain that my honest understanding of disengagement with Haw Mahmud is on the problem we attempted to look at but failed to make progress, i.e. the tegadelti vs youth (civilian – but mostly youth) issue. On other issues, I hope we can still look eye to eye, take common position and agree/disagree based on individual principles.

            I welcome any mediation efforts by interested parties, but some kind of “final and binding” clause must be formulated into the proposals we need to consider for agreement. No clarifications, no 5 point plans, even no red herrings as “understand me” and “change your attitude” kind of demands that have no purpose but to derail the peace efforts.

            As I often say, I know many tegadelties. One friend I meet often joined medda in 1976 and served in tewagaE serawit till independence. He looks after himself and his families through hard work and like many he’s got very little by way of his legal and moral entitlement commensurate of his service to the nation. Such issues are complex legal and moral (human right) issues that have been frozen for the time being because IA has mislead them and ended up creating a pariah nation in the current state of crisis. In absolute sense, however, the issue at hand (such as according tegadelti their due) is trans-generational in nature and would be dealt with at some point in the future.

            Now, let’s turn our attention to the other side, that of the youth. You, ladies and gentlemen, may not miss it the level of resentment and untoward feeling there is among the youth towards tegadelti (i.e. in Eritrea). We all know their ordeals in Sawa, but there is more to it on how tegadelti’s approach is geared, as a prey and predatory, exclusionist, incongruous with instinctive dispositions of our people. We all know how tegadelti caused the evictions of civilians (not just the government level policy) their actions at individual level. Today the divide is massive. How integrated are they with the civilians? How many in your social circles are tegadelti? Many tegadelti even come to the west but quickly move away from the non-tegadelti enviroment. Even on political level, they feel the urge to organize as such (ex-EPLF tegadelti-neber).

            There exist an obvious division and the question isn’t what the tegadelti think about the regime or the conditions of the youth, rather their relationship with the rest of the population and the youth. Many people would probably mix ghedli with the current breakdown in communication, yet that comes with its own set of problems because ghedli is bigger than its constituent parts. One of the contradictions is also that tegadelty are likely to bring the needed change. What that means is that till now they were unwilling to bring the change because we are talking about changing themselves. And when the opposition, internal and external pressures and the economic meltdown hits home, they are ready to be agents of change. Ask any youth in Eritrea they would tell you that they had been under ever tightening sanctions imposed by the regime from 2000s and the UN sanction is alien to them.

            So, my aim was to seek out a different perspective that would open genuine solidarity. But this, I am afraid, is no easy task. Opposing the regime my not translate into value-added toward lessening the degree of fractured relationship between tegadelti and civilians.

            If I talk the harish reality of it and its ramifications, the tegadalay wouldn’t buy it because I am not ex-tegadalay, hence lack the credo/club membership, and the civilian wouldn’t buy it because they wouldn’t trust that the tegadelti would listen to a civilian after all the wrong ways that they’ve set their attitudes and approaches towards the civilian population as a whole. Hence the problem lives on. Strikingly enough, I have never come accross (I wouldn’t rule out the possibility however) of tegadalay who would fully go for the kill to address the issue. They would say “we failed you” but that just isn’t acknowledging enough. It doesn’t go to the depth of the problem. Like, hell we wronged our people, we harmed their well being, our mistakes have damaged the long term well being of our country!! We should own up to x, y, z…such would then open the lines of the communication where the youth would start to analyze why and where such errors occurred. After many bouts of explosive, mutually blaming…exchanges, the foundations would be laid to accept each sides shortcomings, good intentions and early beginnings of seeds of trust. This could be as simple as people talking about it, changing attitudes and seeing things outside the context of the temporal crisis and as a long term effort to lay the foundation for the future.

            For now we are at the early stages of understanding this problem to begin with and like all mediation efforts, expect some rough rides ahead 😉

            Regards

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear brother haile TG,

            Waw, waw, waw a strong message to the conscious ignorant tegadelti. I will join you though I am not happy with the mediators. We have the capacity to knock their inner soul, we can unlock them and tell them how ignorant they are unto themselves. Lets not call mediators but sharpen our pen to expose them. The mindset of the dead soul, the dead soul purposefully designed by EPLF first and then by PFDJ.

            The rest remains the same.

            hawka

            tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            We still need you and don’t go on your own separate way. Even though we are arguing with you deeply we are not living in different world. Our argument is to keep your tegadaly idenity and yet unite with us in diversity. We want each other even to debate and fight. You are a reconcilor. We need this kind of people. But, to be a reconcilor, be human. Just human, not tegadalay. In fact I all appreciate your tolerance and the patience you have with me. Thank you. The patience that I say is because you are patient enough to read what we say till the last line. PFDJ denied this.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes; No, I am not going anywhere, will continue to engage with people who can understand me and give me the hardest critique but with appropriate attitude. I am human tes, you know that. I will read your comment as ” …just human, not only tegadalay” because there is no question tegadalay is also human. So, thank you, we are all in it; all I ask you tes is to be a bit tolerant and and try to widen the circle, not tighten it by inadvertently sending messages that you are against these or those. I will continue reading Haile’s comments too, but will refrain from directly replying to them. I have no problem with any solution oriented substantive discussions. I said it, I believe to you, that since I got engaged with this live forum, I am discovering a lot of diversified views which are helping me reshape my perceptions, my understanding of the societal fault lines created in our country since I left it. You are challenging me to recheck my understandings, thank you. I do not want to dwell in past glory; I said that so many times; I am acutely aware that those folks who associate themselves with ghedli need to reexamine their role and be on the right side of history, advocate for the plight of their people..etc. Those on the opposition side need to avoid losing strategy of adopting the same patterns of exclusion that the PFDJ you well know has been promoting and practicing. So, as tough as you are to bargain with, I am not going anywhere, unless you boot me out.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            One more point from this comment. You said, “will continue to engage with people who can understand me and give me the hardest critique but with appropriate attitude.”

            Good points.

            First, You said, “people who can understand me.” This is the main problem. We are more than enough of understanding you. I personally said many times that I am considering you as my age. My message is, I will not stop in understanding you, but I will rebuff you. Sorry to say, but this point, “people who can understand” is the main problem that we have, between the youths and the tegadalay. kemzi, “terediani endo”kiblu tok zebeluna ab hagerna eko eyu. brother Mahmud, personally I understand well the age difference and the respect that I owe you. I know it, just don’t demand. This is the biggest failure of tegadelti. Akbireni do yibehal yu? Anyway, I don’t want to go further. But kindly, don’t take us as just youths that do not respect elders, forget the tegadalay that we gave all our heart in 1991. Just your age is enough and it is our culture. [here I am considering you as my age to make the debate more comfortable, hope haile and others too, if not, enda aregtotot elna kingedfo ena malet yu].

            Second, you said, “give me the hardest critique but more appropriate attitude.” brother Mahmud, how can you mix this two things. Your first inquisition is, to understand you as old and tegadalay who deserves respect. Good, if we do so, then, we will not critise you. If you are saying for your thoughts well and good, that is what we are doing. but, your personality, we have all respect. No crossing to that. We are critizing your thoughts which are written in your lines. if you want to restrain from critics that comes from your writings, kindly refrain that.

            Kindly brother Mahmud, don’t halt us from challenging you. To tell you the truth, “we are tired of those who say “tereduena, agebab giberu.” Kemu elom eyom hager kem nigedif geromna. Kinrdialom kinibil keyterediuna ab mewedaeta ziridialna mis seana hager gedifna hats elna enho drar asna midrebedan kona. Therefore, engae with us as our age and engae politically not socially. awate is a political forum. Politically I mean, there is a norm, the social norm as politics do, but ideas matter. We are debating on ideas not on honor.

            With all due respect, engage with us politically not based on social status.

            hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes; For the first part:
            It is a general statement, I am engaging you because we are communicating (understanding each other), but one would not go forever if he/she is not making progress. Would you? That’s what I am raising.So,it is not directed towards you, it’s just a general statement that any body makes.
            For the second part:
            I do not consider age as a determinant factor; usually I may say things like ” our young people” or the “youth” and that’s because I really believe the young generation needs to take responsibility and lead. I am not too old, that’s why I implored you “not to declare me dead.” (cheers!). Let me make it easier for you: I have crossed my 50th mark last year. so, I am still young, very young tes. Honestly, jokes aside, call me like what you are doing “Haw” and we are fine. I was not fortunate enough to grow with my parents and in the culture; so culturally, I am disadvantaged; Ghedli + American culture; but my back ground in meida also helped me be multicultural and multilingual. I do not really demand respect based on age; let’s keep it simple. I will keep engaging you knowing that I could gain more than I can give, honestly.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            Great, now we can go ahead. Thank you for creating the common ground, a real basement, And to tell you, I am not young too, I am 32 and a father of one, Therefore, not that very big difference. Mind to mind engagement.

            Hawka
            tes

          • ALI-S

            MaHmud Basha,

            First of all allow me to insert something not directly related to this thread and deeply apologize for putting words into your mouth on the same issue in another thread (I could not find it). I think I stretched your honest words a little bit to fit my argument and that was not honest debate with a good man. Tip for the Basha!

            Next I am here on a mediation effort against disengagement between the Great and the Basha. I would honourably ask Saba to help here before the Second Wayers ignite a Civil War even before waiting to get out of the cyber space onto the ground.

            I also would like to that Nitricc for giving me a lecture on why demonizing tegadalai is unfair to many of the disabled of the armed struggle who have gained nothing from post independence shishay except the tittle tegadalai that they are proud of and comfort in people looking at them with gratitude for a job well done. HaileTG I invite you to read Nitricc’s comment again and please send him a flower.

            I am of course fully in agreement with HaileTG on the disgust with how post independence tegadelti (excepting Nitricc’s category) abused the term and privilege. But I also think Mahmud Basha’s exception of many tegadelti who got nothing but the same as the rest should be included to those of Nitricc.

            Having said that however the Basha has to be a little flexible too. We are all Eritreans and good ones too. None including HaileTG should be interpreted as being ungrateful to post independence struggles and even if in the heat of strong wording he does imply that, what we should see in a comment is the spirit of the argument and its relationship to the context of the struggle for change. In words all you will see is the demonization.

            If HaileTG does not mind I would reframe his and my arguments (I believe Tes too would agree) in the following:

            Our struggle is against the PFDJ because most of us think they have abused post independence Eritrea. One thing that is commong to what most of us mean by PFDJ is that they are all, without exception, tegadelti at least at the level of decision-making in Eritrea today.

            The difference between the two is that: HaileTG is saying all Higdef are tegadelti (of course followers but that is what they are as they do not influence decision directly and are not intended by the “weed-out slogan” to borrow SAAY’s words). Mahmud is saying: but all tegadelti are not Higdef. Of course both of them are right as per Nitricc’s brilliant exception.

            That is why I think a Third Way contribution is needed and that is where Saba comes in. For now let us keep the exception proposal aside just for convenience of this thread and to do one thing at a time. What I am saying is that HaileTG is right in that framing the opposition as an anti-tegadali (defined narrowly) movement serves a huge purpose and in the eyes of the youth we may not like it but it is actually an anti-tegadalai movement.

            Here I, on behalf of Saba, would like to propose a challenge to HaileTG: let us be fair and expand the definition of abusive tegadali to include the opposition. Of course nobody can say Jebha veterans are not tegadelti. Opposition to such an expansion may build on the fact that the tegadelti of the opposition should fall within the Nitricc-Mahmud exception bracket simply because these are tegadelti who did not take part in the looting and are opposed. If we make this exception however we fall into the same trap. In my opinion I think such an extension would play a critical role in kicking out or marginalizing the dead mean in the opposition and respond to the orientations of the youth.

            The problem is that considering the Nitricc-Mahmoud exception necessarily prohibits the demonization of the term tegadalai as it is historically associated with the good in Eritrean society. The difficulty we are having is that the abusers of the term in both government and opposition have insisted on using the exact same term and there is no way to get around it.

            My proposal is that let us use the negative connotation of tegadali and demonize it on one condition: that we all assume that no Eritrean will by demonizing tegadali be interpreted as referring to someone who went deaf or blind or lost limbs or to someone like Mahmoud who admittedly got nothing of the loot and has no interest other than maintaining the original spirit of tegadalai.

            I think where some of us are going wrong and that is what is making HaileTG presume that “susa alata” is that if he demonizes tegadalai and what he is referring to is clear from context, why on earth would someone take the orthodox approach and throw accusations of being inconsiderate.

            In short, this is a struggle and disengagement is not an option of mature people. So both of you stop it and start by assuming good on each other and trying to find better meaning in each others words. I am the last guy to preach on this but a U-Turn is always around the corner.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahalan wa Sahlan Ali-S;
            1. I appreciate giving my comment due consideration.
            2. Since you are famed for being so gifted with weaving ideas, and of course, the mastery of language, I will forward this to Dr.Saba to break it down to simple swallow-able language.
            3. The olive branch is still there. On a serious note, I am not that bad at abusing the word and I have gone quite a distance to remind all those who feel proud of liberating the land to stop being first line defenders of PFDJ, I have said that, to the dismay of some friends who contact me out side this forum and some forum members; but that’s what I have come to believe. Unless relevant to the discussion, I’ve not used it to augment my position in any argument. Certainly, I’ve not personally benefited from it. But I oppose any blanket condemnation, I believe many of them could play a crucial role and paying for it dearly.It’s a fact. You have seen some of the characterizations in this forum. My comments have been mild, and I am not defending the fact that tegadelti have failed their people and youth; that they have been the victims of their acquiescence; that unless they act on the side of their people, they will be remembered as a trigger happy generation without clear political goal…etc. So, I agree to not abuse the word on both sides, I certainly will read Haile’s comments; and as I said, the olive branch is there. (It’s not without a reason Haile gave me the title “diplomat”; I cherish it. Actually, I propose that title instead of the Basha until I secure the title (TG). So, since there is no direct communication between us I want you to play the Switzerland role of American Iranian diplomacy.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Ali-S,

            I could have agreed with you in many aspects, but I oppose your U-Turn. Avoid that U-Turn abd be yourself. if you do so, I will be happy either to go with you or challenge you. But, your U-Turn is nothing but the way of LOSERS tired people. Come-on, here we are to help you.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmud,

            I followed your debate with Haile-TG. While you are almost in the same page, I did see difficulties on your side to call the reality of our young generation to call what it is. If they are sent in “the name of national service supposedly for 18 months”, but kept them for 18 to 20 years, and still keep counting with no an end in the horizon, you can’t call it national service for God’s sake. It is slavery as Adhanom use to call it ” Wefri Barnet.” Why is it very hard for you to accept that as is, if you believe, that it should’t be over 18 months. Call the evil -evil, and call the forced service “wefri slavery.” If this is difficult to call what it is and what it represent, the logic will tell us that, you are implicitly supporting the act of the evil. You know why he kept them in the trenches at time of “no war no peace”. If he let them to stay in cities and towns they will revolt against him. So he kept them in the “wefri Barnet”. And I don’t think you will miss that. Come on brother don’t fade your wisdom that has a lot to do to secure the life of our young generation.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel H.

            Thank you.

            hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Amanuel:
            Indeed it is an evil, and I am on record saying it needs to end. In the same article I made it clear that the program has been abused, and needs to end. I understand why they are keeping our young men and women away from their families;
            a/ addiction to free (forced labor)
            b/ because the youth is always the engine of change, if they let them back with their families you know what’s going to happen. So, I understand that. I do not know what added value you will get by calling them slaves. My position is they should be thought of as active members of society and communicated to to bring the change to themselves. You have the right to call it what you thing it deems, but we are on the same page when it comes to solution oriented discourses. Both of us are saying it needs to end. Whatever we call it, Amanue, the program as it stands, is beyond repair. Future democratic legislature will have to deal with its continuation with clear civilian oversight

        • hope

          Mr Rodab,
          It sounds like you guys have commnuincation problem and I am afraid that we are quick to judgement.
          In my opinion,Dr Saba is saying that we have to focus on solution-oriented debate rather than being obssessed with PFDJ and its sins.
          Our ego should be left aside and we have to learn to compromise and to respect the opinion of others.

        • Saba

          Dear Rodab,
          Weriduni. I am not interested in wining the argument for a movement and I leave that to the “forum activist”.
          Let me give you a highlight of what I think the HOPE&SOLUTION should include. And it is not something that one person can do, but it requires the participation of the public and political parties.
          Step1: cyber information by individuals, writers, activists, websites(like awate, meskerem etc). Expose PFDJ and bring counterargument on what should be done instead. If your message is “anti-something” and you do not offer HOPE then that is weak. When you are dealing with topics like ghedli, defending the nation etc bring a balanced review. Anyway the “Step1 activity” is barely OK.
          Step2: Having political parties with democratic structure, transparent, where merit has more value than seniority or ghedli experience. Drop the TPLF-dependence [ the “Demhit-Lite” character of the opposition]. Drop the civil war case or anything similar. Step2 is INEFFICIENT
          Step3: Engage the public, listen to them, allow debates, seminars etc and win the argument against PFDJ. STEP3 so far has zero efficiency, other than the Wedi Vaccaro experience. His experience shows you that the public has appetite for solution.
          Step4: Amplification. All the above steps will have effects in the public inside the country and EDF, even in high level PFDJers. PFDJ fall will be likely when you reach a critical mass and seize a moment of weakness[Lampedusa trajedy was a moment]. You need to weaken all the pillars of PFDJ not just with the cyber information. I have not included the “MAGIC” solution Haile TG intended because no one knows about it:)

          I would like to hear your version.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saba

            Now you come-up with a solution. Great! Let’s stick to your solution. I appreciate as you have moved miles to include the cyber activists as part of the solution.

            Hawki
            tes

          • Saba

            Hi brother Tes,
            Thanks! My message is the same. You can check the definition of cyber opposition, i have defined it a couple of times. So do not use the same tactics you have used with Mahmud. it is you that you should update with the new definitions in awate forum:)
            Saba.

      • haileTG

        Hey Saba

        Ever wondered what is common between a magic wand and a weatherman cursing syndrome? I think it is the kind of argument that you’re making.

        The magic wand syndrom:

        Your veiled belittling push-back against exposing the regime and popularizing its heinous acts as useless bereft of action gives reason to rise eye brows. No struggle can carers outside self awareness of the objective situation. As I always contend, hgdef enterprise thrives in ignorance and the level of ignorance of hgdef suppoerters is nAdam geremo. Nothing disturbs hgdef more than making the reality they created the focus of discussions and debates 24/7. It would go to exra-ordinary levels to disrupt such activities at any cost. One way is to try to belittle individuals, sully their name, foment frictions…hgdef, as a survivalist parasite that it is left to be would prostitute itself to any cause to mask the truth, wala bmastika 🙂 There is no magic wand to demolish hgdef in one day and bringing its acts to focus is part of raising the self awareness part of the game. I despise hgdef for the low IQ they operate with, and are unlikely to influence my decisions. However, it takes an eventual formation of a political movement to defeat the system and replace it with an alternative one. It is out right deceptive and fraudulent to expect an individual to do all that as one person. And, honesty requires you to scan different movements and examine where they are at. So, your magic wand question to me is, I am afraid meaningless in its manifestly portrayed purpose 🙂

        Weatherman cursing syndrom:

        The news and information circulated here would either give you the reason to expound on or live that to other if you lack the ability to do so. To actually jump into the center stage and to have nothing whatsoever to add other than abuse the messenger is desperate and senseless. Many people need to analyze certain aspect of our condition and for you to play a disruptive role by appearing to own higher expectations what people should be doing instead, smacks arrogance. I never comment on what others do unless they are directly challenging my stand or speaking to me. What is the point of trying to go after the messenger and appear not to have anything to add? Surely the world doesn’t revolve around Saba, does it?

        On Tegadelti:

        My point in short is that, I don’t expect anything from them, I believe on the supremacy of the rule of law and the dignity of the Eritrean people. I am not going to drum beat empty bravado, their ghedli achievements are to be admired, but many have either directly or indirectly (or by virtue of quietly benefiting) are responsible in the distraction of the innocent people of Eritrea who trusted them. This crime can’t be whitewashed and saying so and acknowledging it for posterity doesn’t amount to asking them to do anything.

        I hope you get the gist of what I mean.

        • Saba

          Hi Haile T G,
          You could answer the questions instead of avoiding them. I will shorten my message. If you are ready to do nothing then understand the inaction of those who are living under the oppression(tegadelti and civilians) or those who are fleeing from the oppression.Those who are living inside the country can not organize due to PFDJ tactics. So the choice of a single individual is limited either to do something “solo” or flee.
          Today the responsibility is all of us(tegadelti and civilians). We can remove the PFDJ regime if we organize(not just one person) and have a solution more than just exposing. Exposing the regime is necessary but not sufficient alone; Exposing alone has not been effective so far. We need to galvanize and rally the public with messages of hope and solution. W need to have opposition parties that are democratic in their structure and engage the public at large. I think we can learn something from “Wedi Vacarro” seminars.

          PS: i was not picking on you if you read the legend above. Not my intention to attack you personally, i was trying to create the setting of someone living under PFDJ. If it is good news for you i will limit my posts in general in this forum because of time constraints.
          Saba

      • Hope

        I think we are on the same page mostly unless there is some language/communication issue here.
        Dr Saba,T,
        Haile the G is playing politics as well,not just Activism.,He is dealing with a Formidable Enemy,which uses any sort of tactics,lies,propagand,etc—to win the heart of Eritreans and Haile is trying to use the same tactic.
        We know the solution but,I am afraid of,that we do NOT know how to achieve it and that should be the core issue here as you said.
        I agree with you thougfh,as SAAY,has invested heavily, our debate should focus on Solutions NOT on criticism alone.
        What is the point of cursing,criticizing,and counting the sins of the PFDJ and the Opposition–and each other here,where the purpose is to have a constructive and solution oriented DEBATE?
        There is a chance to persuade the Opposition as we have a reasonable group of Oppositions at hand,which seem to be doing much better than before.
        But I can tell you that it has been impossible to persuade the PFDJ as it does NOT want to be persuaded for obvious reasons.
        .

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Salam Saba: Sorry for jumping between you and Haile; Thank you for the reasonable comments. You are one of several reasonable persons I find hope on. I usually do not comment on personal pricks, as you know despite my clear stand, I have been portrayed as some one who is not standing with the “people” and as some one keen to keep my pride and መዓርግ. I am so proud of being from generation that faced injustice head on, acted upon their rage, and got it done; very proud of my history. Just look how they see almost a whole generation, read what tes pasted in Tigrigna; it is hard to comprehend such audacity; I also understand that my generation has not completed its journey till we see Eritreans get justice and fairness. I crucially understand that inflammatory rhetoric does not do the job. What we need is HOPE &SOLUTION as you mentioned above. So when I spend time in this extremely dynamic forum, reading and writing, I am learning as much as I am offering solutions. Part of the solution I am offering is own our history, look at it critically, incorporate valuable lessons from it, try to narrow bridges, and our wrath should be target specific.

        • haileTG

          Dear Haw Mahmud, since the “pricks” may not be getting what Saba’s plan is why don’t explain it to us as you seem to get it. The “pricks” on this side can also graphically depict the rape, torture, trafficking in youngsters and bringing our nation to international pariah some of your “proud” colleagues brought to our nation. A dark history that wouldn’t wash away with prick and self serving aggrandizement of the stained history one created. ሰብ ዝዘርኦ ይሓፍስ፡ ውጽኢቱ ድማ እዚ እንርእዮ እዩ። ካብ ሕልኽልኽ ኣሽሙር፡ ቁምነገር ይሓይሽ በሃላይ እየ ኣነ። እቲ’ምንታይ፡ ስምዒት ናይ ሰባት ምቁጽጻር ምፍታን ሃልኪ እዩ ትርፉ።

          • Mahmud Saleh

            haileTG: THANKS.

        • Saba

          Selamat Mahmud,
          We need to own our history, we can study the successes and failures of ghedli/tegadelti. But today it is everybody’s responsibility, not just tegadelti. Those Tegadelti in high position are working for their own self interest. We should not trash the history of ghedli because of them. Civilians and Tegadelti should have the same role in solving our problem. Anyway you can check my HOPE&SOLUTION slogan in my reply to Rodab.
          Saba

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam saba;
            Yes, that’s what frustrates me; I do not want to dwell on this topic; there are hundreds of thousands who are associated with ghedli; I know I do not represent them; I also know those vocal critiques do not represent the “people” ; I do not know how humble someone can get than having the view and attitude I presented in my original comment. I totally agree with you and thank you.

          • Saba

            Thank you too. If you do not belong to the first way(PFDJ) or the second way(the cyber opposition), you will be given all kinds of names from both camps. So ignore that and focus on your message.

    • T. Kifle

      Dear haile TG,

      Do you know any instance during ghedli that tegadelties raised an issue against the leadership and survived?Those who did had not lived to tell the story. I think you are asking too much from them an attribute that was not in the culture they have been brought up. The common refrain was “n’som yifeltu”. They were trained to kill and die but not to question motives or flouting orders when they see it deem. What has changed since 1991 is not them but the demand of the Eritrean people when the blame gets shifted from the “occupiers” to the “liberators”.

      regards

      • haileTG

        Selam T Kfle,

        That is true. The main problem is however the audacity and arrogance that is being paraded to deny their failings (or make belated admission and to only quickly revert to bravado crazed hyperbole) and minimize the sufferings of the people and enlarge the achievements of their colleagues. ELF’s & EPLFs roughly 17 years each in the field and the latter’s 23 years of utter repression need to be compared fairly. There are those who want to force their own reality down our throats regardless the pain and loss caused by wanton distraction of two generations. Let’s be clear that nothing is expected of them other than call a day to the cruelty being meted out as we speak. WE ARE NOT SAYING ALL but some are helplessly unable to see themselves as different from those doing the crimes.

        BTW, I have never heard of any take from a Tigrayan about TPDM, would you care to share your thoughts 🙂

        Regards

        • T. Kifle

          Dear haile TG,

          Though I saw your call on “us” to chime in the TPDM saga I had no appetite then to write on it. But If you insist, let me say few things.

          The objective situation on the ground i.e, Tigray doesn’t call for another round of armed struggle as we speak. It’s true there are still grievance partly due to pervasive failures in bringing in good governance and partly due to higher expectations where people tend to believe that fighting war is more difficult than building a nation while the truth is the opposite. Many people in the state are so sceptic in the development programs of the state. The local administrators use their clouts to enforce these programs down much to the disliking of the farmers. There is rural micro financial scheme which provides packages of loans designed to promote rural banking outreach with no collateral and due to risks of defaults, the interest rate is a bit higher than that is provided by the banking scheme in towns. Many among the youth are encouraged to borrow money for some kind of business stratups. In the earlier times the borrowers used to take the money and waste it elsewhere. Some use that money and went to as far as Arab countries or even waste it in wedding or tezkar. When they are pursued for paying back the money they borrowed, they simply cross the border and join TPDM: defaulters turning liberators. Most of the members of TPDM are one way or another in blacklist waiting to face some kind of litigation. But there could few others too that are hoodwinked when the feel they had nothing better to do than that. So politically speaking dimhit is no force that would get traction in Tigrean soil. The other hurdle they are now well aware is the Ethiopian army is not that of the derg. It’s battle hardened and smart in guerilla fighting much better than them and there is no hope they can set a foot in Tigray. You know OLF and ONLF had been consumed by similar delusions as they thought they can outsmart the EDF in guerilla warfare. Either one has to have better ideas so that they could win the heart and minds of the people or employ better means to outsmart the enemy. They fail to meet the criteria in both cases.

          The other important point is, if anyone feels that they have an alternative to the current ruling party, they can form another party and rally the people to their side peacefully with less sacrifice and effort compared to war. That’s what the parties in Ethiopia are doing as we speak. There is an alternative national party called Arena Tigray in Tigray. There are union parties anchored in Addis with mosaic of programs and alternatives. There is no need to go as far as Eritrea to “liberate” Tigray whatever that means. That’s why Dimhit at the moment is more closer to Asmara than it is to Tigray.

          Wedehanka
          TK

          • Hope

            Weyanay T Kifle,
            Why are you shy to mention the on-going corruption the people of Tigray have been complaining about,including the latest meeting with Aboy Sibhat?
            You know better than us that the daughter or PMMZ(RIP) has just depositedrecently about $5 billion to a New York Bank with full knowledge of the USA in a day light.
            What about the multibilliondollar corrupted business that some of the TPLF Officials are doing?
            Only a fraction of this corrupted busines–just a billion USD,could have resolved all the the problems of the Tigray Farmers you have mentioned.Mind you the Tekeze River Dam is more the enough to take care of the whole Tigray and beyond.

          • haileTG

            Selam T Kifle

            Thanks for your unique take too. So, we now have a picture taken from diverse sections.

            tes: more of a propaganda exercise
            Nitricc: they indeed exist and are armed to the brim
            T. kifle: taking adavantage of runaways and fugitives being on a wanted list
            abraham: giffa from bordering regions

            Thanks all and one of the purpose here was to do this, so that people can draw their own conclusion. እንተ ናይ ወዲ ክፍለ ( ተ ክፍለ) ሓሳብ ግን እሰማማዓላ ኣነ። ዋላ እቲ ወጃሃቶም እንተረኤኻዮም፡ ተለቂሖም ዝሃደሙ ዓይነት እዮም። ግልጽ ምልጽ የብዝሑ ያኼ 🙂 (kidding)

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            This guy admits to nothing. I am amazed.
            How can you negotiate with this kinds of people.
            I heard Derg was calling The EPLF fighters similar to what the dishonest TK is calling TPDM. They took a loan they can’t pay it back then went to fight?
            44000 of them? Some of are too young even to qualify for loan. But it is the deceptive way.
            This guy is amazing? Becomes they are criminals and that is why Egypt is after them.

          • Papillon

            Nitricc,

            Do you know that the Ethiopian army is the second strongest and biggest army in Africa? If they want to they can finish Isaias off with in 24 hours. And the tyrant knows that. No doubt.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Papillion,

            Don’t worry about army, it can be crushed. Derge was number one. Ethiopia should learn from its previous history. I don’t take your piece. Rather, lets say peaceful life is the only solution. War is war and no matter how big the Ethiopian army is, Eritreans can and have the capacity till now to fight against Ethiopia. Don’t take it easy that the Eritrean army is weak. Eritreans are hostile if invaded. PFDJ entechefelekan zitedakemna keymesleki.

            hawki
            tes

          • Papillon

            Dear Tes,

            There is no need to be defensive. I absolutely agree with you on the fact that peace is second to none. If the Ethiopians are to go after Isaias, they are going to go after Isaias. Isaias is not the Eritrean people or Isaias is not Eritrea. Furthermore, as the timeless Clausewitz’s mantra has it, war is the continuation of politics by other means. As such, there is no need for the Ethiopian rulers to go after Isaias at least in the near future for it is not politically rewarding.

            Haft’kha.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Papi,

            I agree with you now.

            hawki
            tes

          • T. Kifle

            Tes,

            Some one is laughing around.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            T.Kifle,

            {I am laughing too.} Any more words you have. Death comes after laughter. (ኣብ ትግርኛ ሓደ ብሂል ኣሎ መስለኒ ንሱ ድማ፡ ውሕጅ እናሰሓቕካ ይወስደካ።) Take care.

            hawka
            tes

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat tes,

            I think you need to workout on how to communicate with people. To be honest with you I didn’t like the way you communicate with some people specially with Brother Mahmud. Don’t take yourself as an altar of truth. Convey the messages with due courtesy and respect to those on the other end. And your “death comes after laughter” , I think, is part of this defect. You need time and probably brushing history before stepping onto someone’s head. Just unsolicited advice.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear T.Kifle,

            I don’t mean to throw something bad into you, my base is from one of my tigrigna saying.

            ኣብ ትግርኛ ሓደ ብሂል ኣሎ መስለኒ ንሱ ድማ፡ ውሕጅ እናሰሓቕካ ይወስደካ።

            You laughed and I laughed. Both are on the same boat. Don’t go further. If it mean to you else, I can correct it.

            hawka
            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:

            That smarmy, common conceit got the better of you. First the notions that we fought 1:20 against the Deg is hyperbole. Also Eritreans hated the Derg for its heinous crimes, the present day Ethiopia is not committing crimes against Eritreans like the Dergi did. Ethiopians and Ethiopia are safer to Eritreans than Eritrean and Eritreans, the mother of all ironies. Under the leadership of PFDJ Eritrea cannot defend against Ethiopia whether it invades Eritrea or whether PFDJ, in its habitual insanity invades Ethiopia. Just pray that the Ethiopian government is wiser and never invades Eritrea.

            The Eritrean army ascertained that it weak when Ethiopia occupied Barentu, Senafe and the PFDJ leaders were preparing to leave Mendefera and instead vowing to fight till death, the leadership were planning to go to”Degen” The Eritrean army under PFDJ proved its weakness when two years ago Ethiopia made deliberate incursions into undisputed sovereign Eritrean territory and openly admitted to one. The Eritrean army proved beyond doubt that it is weak when Ethiopia still occupies Eritrean land and instead of doing something about it, the PFDJ still cries and complains, bitchs and moans about it, like Girma Asmerom recently did. The Eritrean army proved its weakness when it agreed to Ethiopian’s demand of a buffer zone, when “prophet” Isaias was spot on when he said the sun will never rise in Badme.

            Do you think if war broke, the 100,000 youth will go back to fight to defend PFDJ’s Eritrea? Who the real enemy of Eritreans PFDJ or Ethiopia? May be our friend Nitricc will go to fight save PFDJ.

            Sem

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Semere A,

            First, I am not in a position to proof the military capability of today’s PFDJ regime. What I believe is, if there is any external force that targets the Eritrean people and its territory, the fate that will be received is nothing but a violent and hostile reaction. Whether Ethiopia or any other force. When I say this, I am talking when there is any external force against the people.

            Second, the failure during the 19980-2000 was purely DIA personal involvement. It has nothing to do with the Eritrean defence incompetency. For this, we have a life proof of war along the border of Southern Red Sea, Buri’e Front. The commander of that front refused to withdraw and defended fiercefully. the other fronts withdrew from their fronts while the had full protection capacity. DIA was not able to command all at the same time. He was acting as direct responsible guy (which is his general nature). Of course I can not blindly say that there was no shortages specially on the military logistics, but the spirit was very high. Just, it was the DIA failure.

            PFDJ is the only and only enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans. there is no external threats at all. And there will not be any war that can broke-out. if there is going to happen war, it is war between PFDJ loyals and the people. And this is already an on-going war. war is everything. Psychological, economical or direct military involvement. regarding the 100,000, already Eritrea has more than 500,000 active force, therefore don’t worry on the returns. War is already going, war is already going! War is going, inside or abroad between PFDJ and the People. And success of the people is a must.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:

            That smarmy, common conceit got the better of you. First the notions that we fought 1:20 against the Deg is hyperbole. Also Eritreans hated the Derg for its heinous crimes, the present day Ethiopia is not committing crimes against Eritreans like the Dergi did. Ethiopians and Ethiopia are safer to Eritreans than Eritrean and Eritreans, the mother of all ironies. Under the leadership of PFDJ Eritrea cannot defend against Ethiopia whether it invades Eritrea or whether PFDJ, in its habitual insanity invades Ethiopia. Just pray that the Ethiopian government is wiser and never invades Eritrea.

            The Eritrean army ascertained that it weak when Ethiopia occupied Barentu, Senafe and the PFDJ leaders were preparing to leave Mendefera and instead vowing to fight till death, the leadership were planning to go to”Degen” The Eritrean army under PFDJ proved its weakness when two years ago Ethiopia made deliberate incursions into undisputed sovereign Eritrean territory and openly admitted to one. The Eritrean army proved beyond doubt that it is weak when Ethiopia still occupies Eritrean land and instead of doing something about it, the PFDJ still cry and complain, bitch and moan about it like Girma Asmerom recently did. The Eritrean army proved its weakness when it agreed to Ethiopian’s demand of a buffer zone, when prophet IA was spot on when he said the sun will never rise in Badme.

            Do you think if war broke, the 100,000 youth will go back to fight to defend PFDJ’s Eritrea? Who is the real enemy of Eritreans PFDJ or Ethiopia? May be our friend Nitricc will go to fight save PFDJ.

            Sem

          • abrham

            Selam tes,

            “Eritreans are hostile if invaded”

            Please be honest & correct your statement as follows. “Eritreans are hostile if invaded only by Ethiopians!!”.

          • Jo

            Selamat Papilon,

            We, Eritreans, it is not the first time that we heard Ethiopia’s army is the strongest and biggest army in Africa, and I don’t think it is going to be the last time either. About finishing Isaias ( your implications about the Eritrean army aside ) think again. Your intoxication with unrealistic ambitions may be leading you to get to a wrong conclusions. It is not the number of soldiers or the amount of weapons that determines the outcome of a war, but it is the desire of one people to defend their nation and what is theirs. When it comes to Eritrea it is our case not the Ethiopians, hence Ethiopia should stay out of it.

          • Nitricc

            Pappi let me tell you a little secret. The Weyane Army can’t even defeat a bunch of youth who decided just pick a gun and fight in the streets of Somalia. The US drones did 80% of the job. What is even sad is that the Ethiopian army had every information about the movement of the ICU and al-shebab. Trust me; tell that to your weyane friends, not me.
            Please save it. the biggest army my foot. If it wasn’t for the drones and the intelligent the US provided to the weyane, weyane will never get out of Somalia.

          • Saba

            Dear T.Kifle,
            I do not think that the members of TPDM are in Eritrea to liberate Tigray, instead they represent the tip of the iceberg of corruption in TPLF. Your explanation of the exodus of Tigrayans to form TPDM as individual activity reminds me of IA’s explanation of the youth fleeing the country. Instead of individual activity there is a collective pattern. You explained there is individual corruption, let’s see, INDIVIDUAL CORRUPTION multiplied by the number of members of TPDM= MASS CORRUPTION as part of the bigger TPLF CORRUPTION. Well it takes an EFFORT to corrupt a nation:)
            I know the toothless opposition will congratulate you in everything you say but you will be respected if you try to make your case with objectivity.

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Sabi;
            men shimki, la la shimki aytingerni baEley kmertselki
            toothless opposition ymetu kemaki riE ayfeltin
            halime tmali berqi wediqu abmongona
            fithley tsubuq diyu?
            tenqaulit endiki 😉
            You have to inject the gum less opposition even when discussing with Ethiopia, yenQfu alew 🙂

            PS. this is corrupted from a song called “Chocolata” 😉

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saba,
            I am a little confused. If TPLF is corrupt and these TPDM are “the tip of the iceberg” of that corruption what are they doing in Eritrea? Shouldn’t they be where they belong, where the corruption is? I was hoping you would shed some light on how and why these TPDM came about.

        • Fanti Ghana

          hello Haile TG,
          I have no idea who these people are. if I had to guess T. Kifle’s take below sounds the most plausible.

        • abrham

          Selam Hail TG

          In addition to the “defaulaters” giffa is another source for TPDM. Young men and women from the rural areas bordering Eritrea are the victims. But it is not believable that they have tens thousands of fighters unless there are other sources from inside Eri.

        • T. Kifle

          Selamat haile TG,

          Let me add a point to what I have said much to the delight of Nitric. TPDM cannot make a single move without harming IA. If the push comes to shove, Ethiopia would finish the limping government in Eritrea. All the parties involved know this reality and are behaving accordingly. And the lifetime of TPDM will be as long as that of IA. Nothing more nothing less.

          • haileTG

            Hey T Kifle,

            It is pity that the PFDJ supporters believe the TPDM would defend the regime against that eventuality you raise. The regime can’t engage in open conflict with Ethiopia or any other country. It is literally banned from importing a screw driver that can be used for military purpose. All its military activity is checked to verify if it is intended to “destabilize the region and threaten international peace” as per UN mandate under chapter VII injunction. Add to this that it is holding the population hostage and hundreds of thousands (if not over a million) Eritrean would flood out in mass should the regime spark any form of conflict. It is completely checkmated and is only relying on a barrages of propaganda to give the impression of semblance of normalcy. So, I doubt Ethiopia would engage it militarily, because it would be bad timing and it would take all the blame for bringing the collapse of central government and anything that might follow from that. It is likely that (even under TPDM provocation) it would react in a measured way so that it doesn’t get drawn into a full scale conflict with a regime that is essentially over for all practical purposes. What we have now vs a vis the regime of IA is ወያ ኣድጊ ካብ ምማታ’ስ ምጉታታ ዝበሃል እዩ።

            Regards

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat haile TG,

            Whether Ethiopia engages through war or not depends on the security threat Eritrea exacts against it. All options are open. It’s true it’s not the first option in the menu nevertheless it’s part of it. IA pretty knows that.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        salam Harbedna T.Kifle; you are better than our lots; and I have echoed that so many time, I lost track of.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    SALAM AWETISTAS
    Amanuel Hidrat, Haile, Nitricc, Semere, Ali-S, tes…the rest
    ክቡራትን ክቡራንን ( ሓይሳት ወ ሓይሳም)
    The man of the day: NITRICC (ብዙሓት ክቑጥዑ እዮም፡ ግን ናቱ ንሃቦ)
    “PMMZ built an opposition that has no eyes, no ears and mostof all the toothless one.”
    I may add:
    1. why don’t we see our young people in Ethiopia, in the tens of thousands, rallying behind these oppositions?
    2. Why do we see young people with fresh blood and energy wait for the old generation to ” liberate” them? And when did anywhere in history, old generation liberated young ones? Where is the Eritrean teeth, ኣጻፍር፡ ኒሕ፡ ሓቦ፡ ኣይንብርከኽን….I really want to know what the role of these toothless bunches bashing tegadalay to tell me what they are up to. This has been inder the influence of the spirit of the great Nitricc. Now, below is something I am completely responsible of; I start with a quote from harbegna teg/semere comment.
    “The tegadalti did not even liberate themselves, their children are in the same situation like the rest of us, drowning in the high seas, being raped, becoming the concubines of the generals. They need to do soul searching and reclaim the courage that is embedded in them.” ወያናይ ተጋዳላይ ሰመረ ኣንዶም (my favorite, I keep picking on you, sorry. I love your satire and playful attitude although you’ve been a thorn on my sole, ቅጠብ is the name of the harsh thorn that in bed between your sole and the shoes, you should know it if you are from Senhit )

    My Comment: You are right; the news is not good, but I left Eritrea when things were running promisingly. I keep soul searching. But I want you to see things within their context. Tegadelti were humans, just like you and me, just like the youth now flocking to the west, once they accomplished the mission they were trained oriented and designed for- dislodging enemy- the awkward question rained, where to now (ሕጂ ኸ ናበይ)? They were faced with things that they had never thought of; things like forgotten parents, dismantled family life, and the obvious question: what’s our future going to be? With no vocational training and living skills, they were faced with grim reality. Mind these are folks who had never thought they would make it till the last day, never cared about these issues; they did the job they were trained for remarkably well until the last day when the gun fell silent. I know comrades who were killed on 5/25/91 in Teseney, blocking Ethiopian army flood that was trying to make it across to the Sudanese side; they fell doing exactly what they had been doing all those years, well aware that the day before Asmara had been captured. They did the same 7 years later with their young National Service recruits; I am not going to comment on Haile’s assertion that they were different during the border. I was not there; and everything I know is different than his take; I urge him not to assess a huge army by incidents that he may have heard of.
    Semere: That portion of our society did the task they were designed for marvelously; in order to appreciate them, you would need to live their situation; or in its proximity. I appreciate that you are careful not to mix things. I expect our young and educated fellows to take this issue seriously; own it, study it, and leave objective historical analysis for future generation. This is my humble advice for the youth. Now to the other side of the coin:
    As far as the ghedli generation (both tegadalay and civil) is concerned, unless we accept the fact that we fell way short of reaching our objectives, that we have not only contributed but have been primal resource of the apparatus of repression- contrary to what we believed we fought for- by not fighting back to abuses that we had endured before they became rampant; we will go down in history as a bunch of trigger happy generation with no clear political vision. If war is a tool for a political end, then we need to reevaluate our stances and help that elusive political end get realized. If not,we will end up as a generation embarked on bearing unnecessary sacrifices inflicting upon our people a “prohibitive” cost. Therefore,it’s not dishonoring to affirm the fact that unless we prove the YGites wrong, they will remain relevant and a force to reckon with. A bitter truth? Yes.
    We need to do it because:
    1. It is morally the right thing to do.
    2. It is the right tactic to get rid of the oppressive regime and usher a country where law rules on a strong ground, with no blames and suspicion slinging around, we will say, ” Yes, we did our part in the riddance of the occupation, and at last, even though too late, we have joined our young generation in making Eritrea the land that had stirred our imaginations.” Here, the young generation, be careful; do not generalize, please. We know for sure the majority who are becoming a pain in the A– are remnants of the ghedli generation. They are being incarcerated, disappeared….they are in the fore for challenging PFDJ stooges in seminars and other available forum. We know most of the political prisoners are tegadelti and Hafash wudubat. And the domestic opposition continues. I have no illusion that whatever change that could come in our life time will be connected to them. We need to stop blame games, accept the fact that they are our part, include them, encourage them too do more and better. In short, to borrow the famous JFK line and twist it to fit my advice, PLEASE, ASK NOT WHAT YOUR FATHERS SHOULD DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE OUR COUNTRY’S FATE, DEFINE YOUR OBJECTIVES AND WORK TO ACHIEVE THEM. In Saba’s words, it is your task. After all, it’s your future. tes said in one of his comments to me that he did not want to live in the glory of ghedli, he wanted to write his own history, meaning the new generation has to chart out their future. Fair enough; I do not disagree. The only advice for our youth is be critical when it is needed and be humble and appreciative when it is appropriate. Get up, work, try to not waste your time on whether PFDJ is NAZI or not; whether Issayas is Eritrean or not…whether someone does not exactly agree with your words or not…etc. To me PFDJ is a uniquely autocratic and repressive brand of any political system I could think of. That’s enough for me to oppose it. I don’t care how awfully it is branded. I donot even care about its future; people need how to bring it to its knees, after that the siuation at hand will decide its fate. We’re not there. Just as you make differentiation between Ghedli and tegadalay; make efforts do not cause the opposite of what’s intended; try to differentiate between the more than a million who are believed to be under the influence of PFDJ but who are equally abused and who could be part of the changing agent and those few who are causing the damage and whose fate is directly related to the fate of the edifice we call PFDJ.
    On the oppositions of Tigray and Eritrea trained and funded by both countries against the other; I just want to say both are wrong. I do not believe in any opposition that depends for its life on a hosting country; and when you factor in the fact that these armed oppositions have not attracted their fellow country men for more than 14 years, it is clear they have been rendered “toothless” by their own respective countrymen. That’s on practicality, but generally, I oppose to the idea of arming oppositions in order to make them the extension of your dirty hand. I oppose both countries’ attempts to gain influence through violence.
    Concerning the Muslim/christian issues: I hope Eritreans will keep looking after each other, we have always been tried; what’s clear is PFDJ and the opposition seem to be playing with fire; it is obvious a huge portion of our people are marginalized from the political decision making; the reason why I translated SGJ article on THE LOW LAD LEAGUE was because of the belief that we should do this with our other part, not unilaterally by ourselves; particularly the youth need to be aware; questions like the ones raised by Haile are excellent and need to be discussed with composed and collected attitude; and I have been encouraged by seeing educational exchanges, that’s why I am writing this too long comment.

    • Nitricc

      Mahmud, When I read

      “The tegadalti did not even liberate themselves, their children are in the same situation like the rest of us, drowning in the high seas, being raped, becoming the concubines of the generals. They need to do soul searching and reclaim the courage that is embedded in them.”

      i was stunned at his stupidity. please ask semere the following; ask him if there
      is any more liberating than accepting all the hardship and including the ultimate one; life to librate others?
      is there? i don’t think so, but people like Semere will never get it. they are in to the westerners culture of slavery. the most interesting is even the whites did no acknowdlge them yet, they try talk about freedom, libration and self worth.
      i am just amazed.

      • Semere Andom

        Ants cannot fights against elephants. You had lots of good will from Sal, Emma and Mahmud Saleh and myself, I made fun of you to forget all your insults from before. And now you called me stupid. If you have facts to dispute what I said please convince. You were intoxicated with happiness about the file in Ethiopia and you have nothing to say about the crimes of the regime you support and show your ignorance on its behalf
        Sem

        • Nitricc

          Correction I did not call you stupid. I said your stupidity. There is a difference. I am not stupid but I say stupid thing all the time. You called me Protozoa or is it bacteria; do you think I am? No, but you were saying stupid things.
          So, get over it I did not call you stupid.
          Regarding your take labeling Tegadelti as the people never librate themselves, well I ask you, is there more librating
          Than giving up your self to free others? If you have any answer let me here it.
          Don’t bring this good will bad will, I don’t care.
          Anyway if I offended you; not intended. My bad.

          • Semere Andom

            I did not call you protozoa, I traslated it to Latin.Your record is witness to insulting people here

            So how did the Tegadalati liberate themselves and their kids while they are dying in prison and their children are been raped and drowning in the sea? Also stop thinking like a protozoa and do not repeat the cliche of “Than giving up your self to free others”, I am telling you they did not free anyone including themselves. Did they work hard to try to free, did they sacrifice, yes , yes. I am talking about the result

            Do not confuse my critiquing the tegadalty with respect and my believe in the cause of the ghedli, I commented intensively on this many times on the difference.
            Do not act as if you love them more than me, you do not! you are the supporters of a regime that is killing them every day. You even in a very rare moment of lucidity and slip of tongue said ” there is something wrong with this picture”, when Gen. Tweil died
            Sem

          • Nitricc

            Bring the evidence who did I insulted?
            You just called me an ant? Did you notice that? I am human just in case if you don’t know.
            Again you are not answering my inquiry. I am telling there is no more liberating than giving it all for the sake of others. You don’t seem to get it? May be the Canada system is in your blood. We are not talking about volunteering your time, I am talking about giving your life for others. What is so hard to understand that?
            If PIA is causing you sleepless nighties then take up that with him but why do you have to bring the entire Tegadaly to this? Because you are made with what PIA did to you? Here is an idea, why don’t you go librate your self? Oh you can’t. I got it Semere. It is amazing you have no value for people who did what you can’t.
            No bring your evidence I insult anyone.
            Talk is cheep? And I am not an ant. Just you know.

          • geltam

            Nitric, Liberate , liberate yourself. Save your self. ” give your self for the sake of others ” 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Huh uh not bad coming from Geltam.
            The first time I known you, I did not know what it meant. And I ask this Eritrean woman what Geltam mean and till this day I can not forget how hard she laughed.
            She asked me if some one called me Geltam? I say no and I explained to her all about Geltam in awate.com.
            Till this day you never explained why you named your self Geltam?
            Okay go, tell me the reason.
            I get a kick when ever I see your nick though.
            Anyway my point to Semere before he want pissy; it takes a higher degree of libration in order to sacrifice to librate others? Do you get that? Oh never mined your name is Geltam. Lol just joking the last part.
            Think about it. Semere didn’t get so hopefully you do.

          • Rodab

            Nitricc,
            So do you know the meaning of GelTam?
            If so, please tell. If not, ask nicely.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear haile TG,

      where is the post of brother Mahmud, here is also my reply to him. Till he comes back, I will put it under your comment.

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      Now we are in the ground of common table and able to discuss, just one more step to go tegadaly Mahmud. drop what you saying, “I left Eritrea right after independence and I am not able to have a clear perspective of current situation in Eritrea.”Just drop this line and we will be in tune to share common values. if you say, I didn’t live in the after independence Eritrea (the PFDJ era), we have also the right to say, we didn’t live the gedli era. Come to us and we will come to you. Just drop the line in between. You are well informed about the Eritrean situation just you didn’t drop the pride you built right after 24/05/1991. Drop that and make no boundary in between.

      Even within this month, your tones have changed, I can read between your lines and you are a great father, just welcome and embrace us. If you are from the Tigre ethnic group, I think children are well heard and what they say is considered with great respect. For this, Tigre kids and youths are more confident. This is my attestation, I have observed it.

      You said, ” tes said in one of his comments to me that he did not want to live in the glory of ghedli, he wanted to write his own history, meaning the new generation has to chart out their future. Fair enough; I do not disagree.” Yes you are right that and even now I will repeat it. The point of your disagreement is also respected. But, you didn’t take all my points.

      When I say this, I added also other points, the history that I inherited is my base and I what do is to continue constructing that already foundation/base and I can not finish making history, but I want to have my history recorded so that the next generation will also continue to do so. But, If I stop doing my own history, I will read history only. It is good for me as far as my time the end of the world, and it is not. Therefore, correct please what I say and how I interpret my words.

      Let me tell you on History maker generation is HISTORY MAKER IS SOME ONE WHO DARE TO BE DIFFERENCE,DARE TO MAKE SOMETHING DIFFERENCE, NOT FEAR TO BE SAID DIFFERENCE, NOT SATISFIED WITH ALL TRADITION AND HUMAN LIMIT!” This is the motto.

      And you mentioned YG and likes. It is good that you raised such points. YG is a dead soul philosopher. He is stucked in his 1960’s period and is unable to make a move. I think, his shock, after a a visit to Eritrean in the early days of 2000 threw him 30 years back. It can happen. This being the said so, in his current article on asmarion started the first paragraph by saying,

      It was a great day for Eritrea! This year, every Eritrean worth his/her name celebrated May 24, the day Eritrea got its independence from colonial, feudal and backward Ethiopia 23 years ago; that is, wherever they happened to be, be it in mainland Eritrea or in diaspora, be it in civilian Eritrea or in the national service and, oh yes, be it in free Eritrea or in its prisons and concentration camps. On this day, Eritreans of all stripes set aside their differences, if there were any to begin with – given that theirs is a land of hade hizbi, hade libi (one people, one heart) – and Muslim and Christian, highlander and lowlander, peasants and urbanites, Warsai and Yikealo and regime supporters and detractors, all came together in guaylas throughout the land and in diaspora. They danced, ate and drunk to their fill until the wee hours of the morning.”

      Still in his confused state but I can read some changes of attitude. I think the debate he did with brother Bohasheem helped him to wake-up and is now for the first time started to live in May 24/05/1991. He just saw the fantasy of celebration now. But Eritreans gone through this day 23 years before. What he can’t able yet to live is in 2014. YG, the philosopher of dead Souls!

      Concerning your call to youths, no need to call. We are always doing things on our own way. Don’t expect the same course to happen. Just come-out of your pride. According to general Sibhat’s generation classification, you might be living in the third category (deki tsehay birak), the morning sunshine generation. Those who get-up early and just enjoy the morning sun. According to Sibhat, generations are divided into four: those who do nothing (Muwutan), those who make history (jeganu), those who count what has been done (Azentewti) and those who enjoy what others has done (weresti – abotatom zerekebwom tetekimom nab shirmutunan ewulinan zinebru, deki ketema Venice abzi yimidebu). (If I made an error on classification, pls correct me, as I am writing from my old memories of 2008 files)

      Hawka

      tes

  • Kokhob Selam
    • Solomon Seyum

      Selam Kokhobay!

      Two glitches I have experienced Today. No matter, I am going to consider this a Beta test. So, allow me to LEAN ON YOU BROTHER.

      I LOVE great imagination. Take Haile TG, for example, (here, let me shout out to my Trekis…Khan! to you too Fanti Ghana. Saay will recognize that AI has an ability to correct itself. And my little brother Nitric has been abducted by the UFO. They are an umbrella association in Humera, Ethiopia.) he has excellent immagination. No wonder every someone has dubed him “The Great.” I know it is not the shoe. It has got to be his wild imagination.

      Any how, Nitric missed out because of some great Shittzzes and Gigles they have posted at our dembe… for reasons soon to be revealed. Any how, keep chugging. And since it is the weekend and this thread is now on the entertainment phase… allow me to run along and do some STOP MATTER… Kum Negger..diHri Waza… Waza ms kumnegger.

      I rewrite my message to Haile “TG” and Nitric later on.

      Thank you for allowing me to lean on you. We Eritreans and Ethiopians have leaned on one another before, we are leaning on one another now, and we shall lean on one another in the future. And when those who sow WAR all the time between the two brotherly neighbors say after a HUGE EARTHQUAKE PARTS THE ERITREAN AND ETHIOPIAN MAP ON THE RED SEE in a lot less, but significant fraction, of a light year..

      Kokhob Selam SHALL let THEM KNOW WE HAVE THE KNOW HOW AND THE POLITICAL WILL TO BUILD A BRIDGE.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZ3bcPr-Ds

    • Solomon Seyum

      Kokhobay!

      Allow me to lean on you brother. Beta testing is coming to on end with regards to this topic of The Eritrean Constitution. We are on the entertainment phase of this thread as well. STOP MATTER = Kum neger diHri Waza… Entertainment with stop matter. Waza ms Kumneger…

      Saay..and or SaliHain…. Khan to you too!!! Fanti Ghana.

      Eritreans and Ethiopians have leaned on one another in the past, are leaning on each other now, and will continue to lean on each other. Even in a fraction of light year from know when the Eritrean and Ethiopian maps split creating a fork on the Bahr al Ahmer…then there will be know how and political will to build the bridge from here to Kokhob Selam!

      AmEritrean GiTsaTse

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZ3bcPr-Ds

    • Kokhob Selam

      Thank you. you are creative and you let me create an art you will like it it will be posted soon, it is under study how to present it. simple and easy one though.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Few questions as regards DEMHIT or TPDM in Eritrea.

    – Since many Eritreans come here to tell us how they object civil war and hate to see Eritreans killing other Eritreans, what is the possibility that Tigrayans would train in Eritrea to kill other Tigrayans and engage in a civil war inside Tigray?

    – What is the likelihood that Tigray, that is said to be better off than in the previous regimes in Ethiopia would produce tens of thousands of Tigrayan youth who are ready to kill other Tigrayan youth and take their cherished place of origin through distraction of an all out civil war?

    – Why is that this group has NEVER engaged outside Eritrea and is mostly deployed in the environs of Asmara?

    – I can understand that civilian Eritreans (women and children included) would simply leave Eritrea in search of better conditions than the terrifying situation hgdef has created in that country. What I don’t understand is tegadelti who like to lecture us day in day out about their heroism from almost half a century ago, but they melt away like this dying, imprisoned, running away with the civilians and trying to board rickety boats and what have you, while EDF has been emptied and TPDM is made to take over like this?

    What exactly is going on in their mind? I am also going to add one crazy question (OK I am sometimes crazy:): most of the arrests and killings being conducted in connection to Forto and other unexplained incidents seem to involve our moslem compatriots, is there any conclusion that can be drawn here?

    Over to you, and have a great weekend.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANLgxokrJW8

    cheers

    • Saba

      Hi Haile TG, tegadelti have done their part. Now it is our turn. Do not you think so?

      • haileTG

        Hello Saba, not at all. It is true, that it is not ALL, but they are the ones holding the gun and providing cover for the demise of the nation to take place. If an external invader was to come in, your logic would work. Not when it is their ranks that have turned to brutal beasts. No?

        I have no way of verifying the veracity of the statements made in the following (especially the allegations of the massacre of 300 Eritrean refugees in Ethio-Eritrea border), but it makes you think ether the whole TPDM saga is false or it can never be conducted to serve its manifest goals, rather some other strange objective. The Tigray-Tigrigna thing alleged here something I don’t subscribe to, simply because it is hard to validate. Mercenaries? may be…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjxZiN_Yjk&feature=share

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Hailat TG:
      You raise excellent and penetrating questions, I will only address and reflect on the Eritrean dimension. I have wondered and commented about how the heroes of yester years have turned to cowards, reduced to mere romantic story tellers. Not to ridicule their past courage, but to address their present silence, unbecoming of their unequalled bravery. The tegadalti did not even liberate themselves, their children are in the same situation like the rest of us, drowning in the high seas, being raped, becoming the concubines of the generals. They need to do soul searching and reclaim the courage that is embedded in them. They need to reawaken the giant within to use a worn out cliché’. What have they done for their children, after spending the better part of their youth sacrificing their lives and their freedoms so their children can live and be free, almost quarter a century on, they can look back and if honesty is still forte things were better during the Ethiopian colonization. I do not mind telling and letting me know they liberated me and paid dearly.

      To add to your questions, many youth joined the ghedli to express their pride for the courage their brothers showed in freeing the Semble and Adi Qual prisoners. Wolde Dawit Temesghen reportedly told an official after he was sentenced to life in prison that “Eritrean youngsters will free me”. It was prophetic. And free him, they did. Saeed Saleh, an ELF commander who some say that he was part of the architects for freeing the 1000 prisoners that he was inspired by the courage of the youth inside the prison to carry the operations. Why is that prison guards, who are Tegadalaty and Eritreans not show the same courage and free the political prisoners? I have a confession awatistas: When the G-15 were incarcerated, I nursed a secret confidence that soon they will be freed, not by Isaias of course but by some brave fighters, after all these men and woman were leaders and generals, but one man got away with murdering and indefinitely imprisoning generals and ministers while tegadalti watched and themselves became the victims. I was a hopeless romantic.

      About the Moslems who are been arrested in connection to the Foroto incident, this is same EPLF time perfected strategy. During the early years of EPLF, the Menkae movement was made up of Christians intellectuals and they were accused by Isaias as burgeousit, regionalist and anti Moslem. The “chogar danga debilom” and the Moslmes “etnaferu” to round up and kill the Christians. Now when Wedi Ali lead the Fort incident, Isaias is telling the Christians that they were Jiahdist, so no brainer her. Time honored Isaias ploy that no one seems to decipher and learn from

      Sem

      • haileTG

        Hey Sem,

        The Tegadalay history being a bit dated, it is not even easy to validate it with the objective situation in the ground. During the 1998-2000 border war (no generalization here) there were many incidences that the tegadelti were trying to hide or back off during action. I have heard of tegadelti who hid in their trenchs and wouldn’t come out to cover their agelglote counterparts. When the Ethiopians got up to Barentu and and also close to Adikeyh, most PFDJ leaders and cadre’s were seen packing up ready to abandon the country. So, it is not easy to declare anything here but when you see them sitting in shimelba, it is a bit confusing to say the least.

        Regarding the Forto operations however, I totally agree with you there (manipulating the issue to sound as Jihadist or the sort) but no sane person buys that to even bring it up for discussion. My question is unless there are many other high profile names that we are not aware of, wedi Ali, Abdella Jabir, Mustafa Nurhushen, gen. Omer Tewil…and many of those directly and indirectly linked appear to be from our moslem compatriots. In other words, putting aside hgdef’s mendacious allegations, what can we read into the demography of the rebelling side? (This is one of the hot seat questions 🙂 Again, can the TPDM factor be linked to all this? if so, how so?

        I hope I made myself a little clearer now 😉

        • Semere Andom

          Hailat:
          We are not sure that this men you mention were actually part of Forto, Wedi Ali and his comrade happened to be a Moslems, we have no idea about the soldier, for all we know the men targeted by DIA they could have nothing to do with Forto. You are assuming rationality from PFDJ. Remember the Moslems arrested in connection to Forto are mosly from Sahel and Semhar, historically these were EPFL founders and played a huge role in bringing and nurturing the DIA of today by protecting him from the Kebessea intellectuals who demanded accountability in the nascent years of EPLF, now it is their turn, shall we say he is weeding them out.
          Am not sure TPDM connection, but it could be possible that DIA is changing alliances.

          • haileTG

            That is good observation Sem. Yes indeed, it is not easy to be sure with hgdef. My assumption of those men was based on taking the paltalk announcement made on the issue (Young EPLF room?) where the guy said the infemouse “teKariju” [I can get you the link] to wedi Ali and also announced Abdella Jabir and Mustefa were taken into custody in that regard (it is towards the very end of his speech). But then again, this is taking compulsive lairs at face value – assuming them to be true.

            It is tough either way. I guess 🙂

          • ALI-S

            Selam Haile & Sem,

            Haile I think it was very courageous (Great) of you to state it the way you did. Like you said no one knows for sure and I think Sem’s observation is also valid. It would be difficult to imagine an all Muslim move in the army today.

            Sem made a good suggestion that they were the ones who shielded him from Kebessa intellectuals who wanted to weed him out during ghedli but he forgot to mention that there were actually more non-Kebessa people who wanted to weed him out at that time. So they actually shielded him from a little more than Kebessa intels.

            My observation is that it would be pure speculation and a bit unfair to claim that simply because Forto was non-Kebessa (as far as available facts can prove) the Kebessa are not moving implying Khiyana. But this probably reflects two things:

            (1) Whatever the Kebessa rebels do, it can be interpreted as people opposing the President on constitution, mismanagement and other aspects that can be received more favourably with supporters and with mainstream opposition in the diaspora. Whatever non-Kebessa rebels do fits right in the middle of the rhetoric surrounding risks to national unity and security and hence rejected by both sides of mainstream Eritrea.

            (2) I think we all (without discrimination) know that there is ethnic domination in Eritrea. We all (including PFDJ) do frame the difference in almost identical ways. Kebessa in our thinking as YG explicitly puts it is an ethnic group on a suicide mission (i.e. fighting against its own self-interest). Muslims on the other hand are Eritreans fighting against our national unity and for their own self-interest.

            Of course I am not trying to push these arguments but it helps to be explicit about the hidden dynamics in order to anticipate how similar movements in the future may be framed. These are taboo issues but are issues that we will never be able to get away from.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Younis (YH),

            Spot on – though we are dismissing it, it is exactly how the nature of the polarization is framed.

            Amanuel H.

          • haileTG

            Hey All,

            Ali – S has gone for the heart of the matter here, albeit he framed it in a comprehensive format of the generally understood taboo in the topic. My question to Ali-S is, be that as it may, those individual faces of the FORTO were leaders of Ghedli and in the fight for the formation of Eritrea itself. Hence, what exactly changed in 2013 to see them pulled into a common cause like this?

            Aman, I hear ya brother. But can you tell us a bit more as to how “the nature of polarization” in this particular case (among the top echelon of PFDJ) is formed? Is it the same polarization as the one you argue against, here in this forum, i.e. minority/majority?

            Dear tes/Nitricc/Truth

            Despite making good points, I would like to focus your attention to one strand of the multi-reasons that you stated, i.e. the part of your assertion that says “to defend IA against woyane/TPLF/Ethiopia”. Do you guys really think that Eritreans can hesitate on civil war despite all the suffering they are witnessing and Tigrayans would jump into it without going through a fraction of the suffering being meted out on Eritreans? Do you think there is a Tigrayan who would come to “Eritrea” to be armed by “Shaebia” to kill his/her fellow Tigrayans? If there is such a wide spread opposition in Tigray, why aren’t most Tigrayans going to the ARENA Tigray route of peaceful opposition? Like any other region in Ethiopia, Tigray needs to accumulate competitive edge to maintain influence in Ethiopia’s Federal government, do you think tens of thousands of Tigrayan youth are against this objective and wish to undermine Tigray in favor of Eritrea? And why are these people perceived as “buffer” against perceived Ethiopian invasion, when the Eritrean youth themselves who should have been the real “buffer” are brutalized?

            Regards all

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Haile-TG,

            No matter how we slice it and dice it, the Eritrean politics has two dynamics on how our sociopolitics reconfigured and resonated as we speak (a) Christain/Muslim regrouping (b) Minority/majority of social grouping. I am sure it is taken as taboo. But if we don’t deal with it, it will eat our social fabrics and will kill the spirit of peaceful coexistence. Let us see the cause of the two configurations and why is that way.

            (a) The Christain/Muslim polarity is not new in the Eritrean body politics. It has been within us since 1940s and is still living within us as we speak. It isn’t based on grievances, rather it has been used for balance and power sharing. I don’t believe framing our politics on religion bases. I do believe politics should be framed based on the social grievances. But it is reality on the ground that needs resolution on it.

            (b) The Sociopolitical grouping is surfaced into our Eritrean body politics from the nature of governance of PFDJites. The grievances of our social groups is real. I believe to organize based on your grievances be it ethno-social group or otherwise, as far as the grievances are framed to demand and restore their rights, in power politics, economics, and socio-equity in the way they live with the rest Eritrean social-groups. I like to frame our politics on how the minority/majority share equitable power and economic sharing. Religions are not the building blocks of Eritrean identity, but our ethnics are. Any grievances of these ethnic groups should be addressed and be reflected in the contractual nature of our constitution. My focus will be on “political and economic justice” and will remain to be until we recognize the term “equitable” in our politics.

          • tafla

            Haile,

            Why do you think ethnicity trumps religion? apart from the case of kunama and afar (which I doubt represent the majority)

          • haileTG

            tafla,

            Can you clarify your Question. I am a little slow to figure out what it is you meant and what made you think so. (I am actually against ethnic/religious kind of politics)

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear haile TG,

            First, civil war is not always intentional. It is a spontaneous political development that emerges when different forces could not reach into a reconcile solution. And its time is recondite. Eritreans have a bitter history and is a live memory among the freedom fighters. Nevertheless, people always fight for their existence and still will fight in order to survive. And Eritreans are not free from this norms. The question is can we avoid such development to happen?

            My simple answer is, PFDJ is always ready for civil war. A simple proof is, the 2012 militia conscripts under the banner of people’s army. Almost the entire ages (3 generations are now armed), the old generation being from 50-70 years old is carrying a gun. Let’s remember that this old generation is familiar with civil war. the second generation (35-50) is very active under the name of active military reserve. Coming across the 1998-2000 war and bitter national development campaign programs, this middle generation is almost fade-up with his life and there is no future hope. having no hope in life means what ever it happens active response is not going to be retarded. And the third generation (17-35) is a generation that is seeking better opportunities. Life for this generation is not yet at brisk. having these three generations with different life moods is a potential ground for possible civil war.

            PFDJ played a tricky game in 2012 to distort the mindset of the the two young generations by equiping the old generations as people’s Militia. Meaning, the middle generation can remain in their dead moods while the active generation escape in what ever direction they want in case such equilibrium is distorted. I have seen such potentials of civil war though they were halted by brutal actions of the regime.

            Therefore, there is no guarantee to say that people can not hesitate to be engaged in civil war. Mind you though, the people are not going to start based on hate among themselves, PFDJ’s constant pressure is a better heat source for such frictions to occur, just the same as when you pump air more than what it should be stored in a given volume of cylinder.

            Your point regarding TIGRAYANS, they will never, never enter in between. they know the Eritrean hostile nature when the bottle neck is reached. They will go back to Shire even further. Eritreans are not welcoming naturally for external force involvement. their presence now around Asmara is just a temporal shade for DIA propaganda. For this, we have an easy proof that when demhit took some action in Asmara, everyone was against them and worse the high rank generals stood against. Eritreans have good record so far, when there is external force, they fight against and when the external force get rid off, they fight each other, be it politically or militarily.

            Hawka
            tes

          • haileTG

            Deat tes,

            Thanks for your input there. Your last paragraph is also something that I share and wished to see the take of others here (including AT, who have run an article on the matter). Although it is absolutely rational to argue that our people are less militant now and more into cooperation and finding a way out of the disaster that IA and his regime brought upon Eritrea, at the same time, an attempt at inviting external interference by IA is suicidal for him and outright dangerous to those involved. The estimation that it is done for propaganda purposes can be considered credible, because there is simply no way so many Tigrayans are ready to kill other Tigrayans and take Tigray (where tens of thousands of their tegadelti martyred to liberate) through destructive civil war. Totally unimaginable. On top of this, considering that the border problem is more closer to Tigray and Eritrea, it is very unrealistic that Tigrayans would be taking orders from IA to attack their fellow population. Even the Somali Re-liberation front set up in Asmara left IA high and dry (Sheikh Yusuf claiming he alwas saw something dark and negative about the Eritrean authorities in his interview with BBC) despite their desperate situation. There is no way Tigrayans (of all others) would agree to do his dirty dealing when they despise his guts.

            So, if the reason is as you and me say to do propaganda, how were the Eritrean tegadelti able to reconcile this that amounts to something so disturbing that I would better not write here. Kemey kemey eyu negeru 🙂

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Haile TG,

            The propaganda of keeping the Tigray rebel groups in Eritrea and others too is not meant for Eritreans. They have nothing to do with our internal affairs. the reason why they are deep inside the Eritrean territory is just to keep them safe. It is just for them.

            Your point regarding the “Somali Re-liberation front set up in Asmara left IA high and dry (Sheikh Yusuf claiming he alwas saw something dark and negative about the Eritrean authorities in his interview with BBC)” is well put. The Somali rebels stayed in Eritrea because of one reason; to fight against Ethiopian dominance in the region. There is always one mindset in the Eritrean military defence system, “helping other forces is to utilize them, just like a slave.” And slave is a slave according to their treatment.

            When the nurture such rebel groups, they assume that they are incapable and PFDJ is using their incapabilities in exploiting his own agenda. Agenda of PFDJ is simple, create regimes around that can easily be manipulated when ever needed. First, the ideology behind this is, keep and nurture any force that can fight for your own purpose. Secondly, who funds the rebel group is very important. Shabia uses the resources, for example food, water, clothes etc, but the money needed to purchase these things is always funded by external force. For example, SPLM (the south sudan’s rebel forces) were funded by USA while they were in Eritrea and same are now the Tigray rebel groups. It is a business deal. I could explain more how such businesses run, but let me stop here.

            For your thought, have you ever think that what was and is the source of hard currency for PFDJ is? Why PFDJ is concidered as an important force in keeping peace in the region (this thinking is very common by the EU)? And many more.

            Then regarding the officers, they know the secret, as it is pure business oriented, DIA is well minded with this. (have you heard wedi Vacaro when he says, cash eyu zedliyena). for what ever force they are helping, one, it is purely business oriented; and second, they are there till the enemy of PFDJ exists. based on this, DIA just manipulates this tricks and the others are just workers, hired and are not happy at all time.

            And Demhit are just in this line. they are in Eritrea because one; they are sources of hard currency and second because they are enemies of our enemy.

            Point though, I have read and heard many views on the PFDJ fund to such rebel groups. PFDJ uses the resources available, not money. Example, food in eritrea is not enough, but since the Red Sea cooperation (09) needs to continue its trade activity, all the available stocks are given to the rebel groups and in return they get the hard currency that was directed from external sources. It is purely business. Think then, PFDJ collects crops harvested from farmers at low price and by force saying that it will be distributed at lower price to the needy areas. but no crop is re-distributed, rather it is given to the military force and the rebel groups.

            Oh, I will say more. let me stop here.

            hawka
            tes

          • Saba

            Hi Tes,
            As HTG has said, i want to focus on your last sentence. Politically speaking, when we are in survival mode, specially against foreign invaders, we unite perfectly up to dedicating our life. But when the problem is among us, we have a difficulty to compromise and difficulty to agree to disagree without being disagreeable. PFDJ monster is wutSaE meANTana (not foreign) and we are not uniting effectively against PFDJ, We just trying to escape individually. Nebsey awTSIini tirah. People react to PFDJ only when it comes to their close family, until then indifference. We see this difficulty to compromise even in the different political groups under EDA. This is one of the reason why PFDJ is still in power.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saba habtery

            Well said. But , I disagree in your last point, pfdj tricked us, he betrayed us. he never came to kills us directly. Ziamenkayo entetelimuka entay tigebir. To gather the power and then defend takes time. This is what we are doing now. 100% eko entezeybelku, wela ELF zineberu keman ab 1991 forgot who EPLF was and many welcomed him as a transitional government. This is innocence based on an irrational ignorance. If one is ignorant irrationally, (don’t take it academic ignorance), just to believe as it is without no reason, then, one is innocent. Eritreans were of this classification, and like a bad prophet, PFDJ took his blind followers to Das Hawya.

            Then, it is taking time to come-out of this das hawya. But now, almost all forces are back and the time is not going to end very far. Dro ko DIA constitution kibil jemiru.

            hawki
            tes

          • Saba

            Hi brother Tes,
            Yes PFDJ is a product of our own(“finchah mesengelena” ) and we gave them 100% support and believed blindly in them without any question. That’s why it was easy for PFDJ to trick us,
            betray us and it was difficult for us to realize the betrayal. Still many do not identify the trick and the betrayal. But those who have realized it, did nothing as a group. Can you tell me what the opposition
            has realized so far? We need to change our approach and come with a solution.
            Saba

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saba habtey,

            I am afraid that your constant call might be, “Eritrean politics can not embrace more than one political force.” Let’s not waste our time in calling. rather, let’s what we can and with what we have. If you have a clinic for the cyber group, join the on-going opposition. And, if someone is able to write articles, let him do. And other if is gifted with criticism, let him do. Just lets do what we can.

            Already many progress is available on ground. the Eritrean elites are now shaping their pen to challenge academically the PFDJ regime. Therefore, just stop calling and do. Actually, I like your call but you are just wasting your time. We are far ahead of your call.

            Hawki
            tes

          • Saba

            Dear brother Tes,

            I do not know why you say i am calling for “Eritrean politics can not embrace more than one political force.” Actually i am saying that there is no effective opposition party and i am hoping to see a new one. Having too many political parties is messy but at least we need to have two effective political parties.
            Individually, many writers, activists, intellectuals, are doing great. I am talking about a political group/parties. I do not think you see their inefficiency and I am not sure you belong to any of the cyber opposition. Can you tell me which party is ahead of my call? Unless the cyber opposition is rehabilitated, it is not for me.
            I have already heard a while ago “we are doing great” but it is empty and the problem still persists.
            Saba

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saba,

            You didn’t say what I said, but what your approach is heading to that and finally you are saying, “at least two effective political parties.”Why not 100 effective political parties as far as they are effective. Why we need to squeeze them to one, two or three. if they are effective, let them be hatched even to thousands.

            Saying this, the question is how to build effective opposition, without worrying their number? I will just forward to you this question. I am forwarding this to you because you are insisting so much on the formation of a new party. We have enough parties sister Saba. the thing is, how to be courageous enough and join one and take our share to make them effective.

            Dear Saba habtey, have you heard of the “Law of Secret”? According to the law of secret, “Thought becomes things.” I brought this because I have a point to say. You are thinking all the existing political opposition groups are ineffective. This is your thinking and probably your experience too. Then, what you see is just like that. All are not effective. Come-on sister, if you can form a new effective party, what is preventing you from changing the existing parties to be effective? Ayesrihukan eyom tibli tikoni, and when you form a new political party, you will not let them to work. This is sure. If you can not work with the already existing ones, sure you will not let others to work with you too. therefore, accept the shortcomings, the day you accept this, you will be blessed with the bestows they have and you will walk at a higher speed.

            mara tehawiki enteleki gina, EYSNS dro nab political movement tekeyiru alo emo edki hawsi nab hayal political movement kikiyer. Sure, you will not accept them as their base is in Ethiopia. I can guess your response. if I am right, then, pray for US to be a neighbouring country of Eritrea.

            Hawki
            tes

          • Solomon Seyum

            I agree! with you aya.

          • Justice will prevail at last

            I thought Haile is an ex-EPLF or ex-PFDJ but I have found it very perplexing as to who Haile the G and Nittric might be.Ermias the Psychic ,please help.Just kidding.
            Sem and Haile:
            The most dammy thing about Eritreans, specially the ghedli era people/EPLF specially,is that they, as of yet,they could not figure out about DIA’s tactics despite tons of incidents and hints about his devilish and Machiavelian Tactics.
            His tricks are simple:
            -Use then dump :
            He started with people he did not trust-the G-15,presumably original Eritreans–as Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie suspected it.This was followed by systematic hunting down of other suspects—the two late Brig Generals included.
            -He also cleaned up some innocent and brillaint people who might compete with him.
            He then dumped his most confidente group–like Ali said Abdella,Naizghi Kiflu,Mustafa Nurhussen,Abdella Jabir,late Gen Tewil—The reason being to cover up all the crimes they commited under his command/order(sighumti wisedlom–verbal order–hence,no evidence).
            Watch on the fate of Yemane Ghebremeskel and yemane Monkey as well as one of his most trusted people–Mr Osam Salih(The Foreign Minister) and Hagos Kisha,Abreha kasa,simon Ghebredinghel–will likely follow suit…after he is done with his priorities as these know a lot about crimes..and guess what?You go and figure it out..
            The issue of demhit:
            It is not rocket science here.
            DIA never trusted Eritreans(original ones–G-15).Even immediately after Independence,the TPLFites were his main confidente peole and were assigned to main top security positions and areas-underground.
            The Tigreyan ladies were used as the House keepers of Eritrean Embassies but were DIA’s agents–case in point,the case of the Eritrean Embassy in Washington,D.C.if you know whta I am talkingaboput.
            Tigreyan spies were spotted in as far as Sahel Mountains and inside Sawa Camp.
            The demhit case is multifactorial and has multiple purposes and goals:
            -To humuliate Eritreans
            -To protect DIA
            -To counter Weyane threat
            The case of the Moslim Officials:
            There are lots of conspiracy theories:
            -They were set up through DIA agents—-then claim their case as Jihadist Movement thereby–get some support from the west…remeber the case of the G-15–as they were hanted down in Sept 2001 during 9/11 and were presented as terrorists??
            -As Sem mentioned,most of these Moslim officials were his top confidente and trusted group and he used them well for his protection and now dumped them to cover up the crimes they committed under his command–case of Ali Said Abdela—-and now Abdella Jabir/Nurhussen Mustefa—-Tewil(saay hinted the role of Gen Tewil).
            BTW,this simple trick was used in the field whereby some leaders,not just DIA,kidnap and kill people from behind during batlles.The top and classic conspiracy theories/ case of wedi Haile in Segheneiti and the case scenario of Ibrahim Affa,could be mentioned.
            But the amusing thing is that lots of the EPLF/PFDJ Vets/Senior know all these all along but have done nothing—-but unfortunately,some or most of them were involved in such crimes covertly and even overtly….
            And the dummiest thing is—the Eritrean public is fully aware as things are happening in front of their eyes on a day light but doing nothing except running away.

          • haileTG

            Dear JWPAL,

            All you said makes good sense, till the part where you say “To counter Weyane threat”. Do you mean that the TPDM would fight against woyane??? They are estimated to number in tens of thousands, enough to engage in large scale warfare. How is it possible that so many Tigrayans are found to oppose each other to the point of civil war??? Something doesn’t add up here! At the very least, Tigrayans for the small population that they are carry incredible responsibility nationally, regionally and internationally. Close to 50,000 revolting is hard to believe. Please elaborate.

          • JWPAL

            Haile the G,
            I know where you are coming from.
            When I say to counter Weyane Threat,I meant to balance the Opposition the Weyanes are recruiting,at least superficially….
            If you read Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie’s discussion paper closely,you will surprise your self and you will have some idea about the role of the demhit.
            One main role currently is mainly to protect DIA—-and that is why they are stationed within Asmara area.You already answered your own question,albeit,deliberately.
            No body,I repeat,NO body have read,can read and wil read DIA mind and I am even afraid of that he can betray us to the Tigreyans before his departure.Think closely as to why he is decimating Top Generals and Eritrean elites besides forcing the Youth—This is very serious business and that is why I keep blaming the Eritreans in general.

        • abinet

          Selam Haile
          you are asking questions people don’t have the courage to answer. Let me tell you Haile TG. It was not the love of their country that gave your fighters courage and unity , it was the hate of Ethiopia . it was not easy for the derg tofight while the enemy was within. Besides you dont win a war with conscripted solders who are ready to run than fight. If your recruiting mechanism is “affesa” or “giffa” as you call it , would you expect to win?
          Some even called these conscripts”magedo” which means fire wood. I am glad it is over. What a waste!
          Peace.

          • Haile WM

            my man, if it was a waste why are still here ? its over right ? then let it go ! rest the case. We eritreans own our destiny no wonder you still here …

        • Solomon Seyum

          Eureka!

          Haile “The Great”. Sinn Fein of Smerrrrr.

          Trail ye wendbede tegegna. I had to utilize a Cherokee trail master albeit slow. Advocate of an Eritrean Intifada you are Haile. Cool. Now I can read you. Damn I am slow. Being greezyy ain’t easy. My alien abduction is also in play.

          TsaTSe

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Solomon S.,

          i am now that you dropped your attached picture. I like your entertaining and though provoking scientific remarks, but I was hating the picture. Hope now you will be like this. I hate blood. Eta Awlie banderana entetikewin eko hugus mis belku, eta dem zelewa gina kulu himak nay PFDJ enazekeretni koyna.

          hawka
          tes

          • Solomon Seyum

            My apology tes. Ainikha Amit.
            Wyswyg…. What you is see is what you get. AwliEna yes we have paid dearly for it with the above symbol. In the next class/session I will touch on the topic of symbolism.

            I will spare you it now… SO THAT YOU REMAIN FOCUSED WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN. But feel free to address me with my EPLF or Awatista code name. TsaTse or GiTsaTse respectfully. (Oh CLARITY where art thou… SK 🙂 Asmera ye Asmera tsemEI doO alokhi…kab riHuqu)

        • Haile WM

          Selam Haile TG
          I think i understand now what you mean… in-fact our struggle was initiated by that segment of our nation, Iseyas knows that very well and keeps a special eye for them. There was this tale that some of the people in meda would call Iseyas “ili Tembenay” you know what i mean …

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear haile TG,

      your questions and thought provoking points are always great, great is always great.

      For PFDJ, its motto is one and simple, help any force that can kill your treats. A simple strategy that theyuse since their birth.

      To confirm this, DEMHIT is not only.

      1. Look dear haile, EPLF and then PFDJ helped the South Sudanese rebel groups right after independence in all kinds. They had a station near Haikota, and Girmaika. Till they got their indepndence, PFDJ continued to help them. And it is not enough by that. Still nOW pfdj has his evil hands in the current crises of South Sudan. (Just a simple proof, we can ask, why the European Union can not break dimplomatic relationship with PFDJ? And why US also has still not totally reject the PFDJ?

      2. The Alshebab case

      3. the darfur

      4. The eastern Sudan rebel groups

      5. The Afar

      Many more, I think more than 10 rebel groups who are a potential nurturing fighters for civil war (as they are doing in South Sudan) are getting all kinds of help in Eritrea.

      And concerning the Moslems, it is a game, a political game. PFDJ has no religion, he is against all religions. Anytime, he has to squash them sothat no able good religious leader can emerge. This being as basic, since the Nuhnan Elamanan Manifesto, Moslems are always under question mark in the politics of PFDJ. His link with Jihad is the main reason.DIA mentioned several times that they are against terrorism always and long time , not after 11/9.

      hawka
      tes

      • Solomon Seyum

        Dear tes,

        I am not sure if you have heard of the “strategicawi slti Hijum.. sewrawit slti Hijum, aQualaTafit Awet…” Ye bale Jacket sra new inji.

        It was quickly revised by the EPLF after the Tegadelti and unit leaders perhaps advised the leadership about sustainability.

        Pardon my interjection, but I have been on Haile the Great’s trail for some time. As for you sir, after getting some cues from Nitric Acid, can I ask you this rhetorical questions: Look who is calling the kettle black???
        Sinn Fein of the IRA, aba guaila you are cultivating here and yet you speak of speculate about the EPLF stragtegy. Okay… since you asked. IT IS A MATTER OF RATIOS. I think it is 7 to 1. Yes South Sudan is a reality thanks to their Eritrean neighbor. I do recall, Neguse Negas…i.e. an Empire and a colonizer Ethiopia was.

        I hope you made some sense of the above. As for our “Great” you are grooming… now I know why so many are putting high hopes on the young lad. He must be a very skilled one. Took me a while… I recognize now. As for speaking a bout the subject rather than the person… well… I hope I have don so somewhat.

        AmEritrean GiTsaTse

    • Nitricc

      Haile, let me share my take on t issue you mentioned.
      The people of Tigray are blessed to have TPDM. I admit it was the work of two people, PIA and PMMZ.

      The race was, who can build formidable opposition who will
      challenge and over throw their respective government in power.

      PMMZ built an opposition that has no eyes, no ears and most
      of all the toothless one. The so-called n Eritrean opposition that Melles
      created; they met in Addis, when that did not go well then they hold a meeting
      in Mekkelle then when that does not work it was in Hawassa now rummer has it
      they will try to meet in Shire.so, all there is, a bunch of old people who are
      paid by the Tigryans just to say, “ our meeting has concluded successfully”
      then they eat drink and that it.

      In the same token look what PIA built? Don’t take my word
      for it, look the YouTube Haile presented for you. Look at it and if you have a
      shred of dignity, give the man, PIA the credit he deserves.

      The way I see it, PIA built TPDM for two reasons.

      One: for the purpose of self-interest. For the interest of Eritrea and PIA
      and Second for the interest of the people of Tigray.

      If the weyane gangs ever decide to wage a war, then, they
      must go through TPDM. If you see the map the TPDM resides; you will understand
      what I am talking. So, the idea is brilliant and I am astonished how well the
      TPDM are armed. They are not showing you in any of their videos but they are to
      the brim.

      In addition; I will think; and if it was me I will use TPDM against any internal treat. Since I am
      arming and organizing them; it is to their best interest that I am around. So, I
      gotta believe there are some well-trained unites among TPDM that looks out
      against any internal treats. Here is one of the reason that I don’t believe in military
      interventions; the one like Haile keep proposing. It is not going to happen.

      Second; TPLF has damaged the relationship of the people of
      Tigray with the rest of Ethiopia for their own stupid power. Especially after
      the 2005 election debacle; TPLF destroyed its own people. At that time TPLF
      made the people of Tigray to feel and believe that if TPLF is gone so the
      people, so, the people connected their survival directly to the survival of the
      TPLF gangs. At that time the tPLF gangs were distributing pamphlets that will illustrate
      fuel of hate against the people of Tigray. The Tigryans had no choice they believe
      the TPLF gangs and their destiny to live with the Ethiopians were ruined.

      However I believe TPDM can restore that destiny. I believe TPDM
      can fix and once again the people of Tigray can live peacefully with their
      Ethiopian brothers and sisters. I get a good lough when people say the people
      of Tigray; they gain almost nothing but big enemy and extreme animosity. That was
      created so, TPLF can stay in power. So, if TPDM to come to power all the treats
      and the animosity will be cured and once again the people of Tigray will be
      free from the hostage they are kept currently.

      So, the future of the people of Tigray is bright with TPDM. And
      the people of Tigray will live to thank PIA.

      • Solomon Seyum

        Nitric Acid,

        As a Gedli Aficionado (unlike the REPENT sect lead by YG and his apostles) I would rather see Weyanay! Tigrai and all Ethiopian revolutionaries in this light Haile The not so Great has treated us with. All his BiEray HarEi that he wrote with regards to Eritreans aside, I must take a moment and say thank you “Haile TG”.
        Our genuine unionists can also view this in a positive light.

        Damn Haile TG… I love great imagination. Allow me to run along and do some STOP MATTER. i.e Kum Neger dHri Waza… Waza ms Kumnegger if it is not being done by all of our Awatistas! Welcome aboard.

        AmEritrean GiTsaTse

      • Haile WM

        Nitricc,
        Ok I got you now, I was always thinking you were an intelligent opportunist, but I have a clear picture now: you are in the second category of PFDJ supporters, those I call the low IQ department.
        it’s ok just relax and do not expose yourself too much and remember to use both hands while applauding Mr iseyas when ever the occasion

    • Truth

      Come on haile—you should know better about the PFDJ tricks and tactics and DIA’s Machiavelian tactics.
      -DIA–decimated the Menkae group because they were against his interest
      -DIA destroyed the remaining elites—Dr Bemnet et al
      -DIA destroyed the innocent but brillaint Eritreans who challenged him–Cammander Ibrahim Afa
      -DIA destroyed and demoted the mostable Vets who could lhave led eritrea the best way—Ver Romadanmahmmed Nur et al
      -DIA destroyed his top confidentes after using them to the max—Ali Said Abdela/Abdella Jabir,Mustefa N.,Tewil et al
      DIA made sure the original top and Intelliegnet Eritreans that could potentiallychallenge him should be destroyed–G-15;The Generals– the hanjema,the Vanyaks,–etc—
      The Demhit—are there to:
      -protect DIA
      -To humuliate Eritteans
      -To counter the Weyane Threat

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    We are right wing republican Nationalists
    not ultra-Nationalists as some of your forum participants wrongly blamed us.
    There is always this tantrum and mischaracterization of Ethiopian politicians
    when they fail in their programmes and plans. And the first thing they do is to
    point their finger and blame Eritrea for their failures.
    However, contrary to what they want to believe, it is their arrogant ways, false
    starts and ignorant about realities which are always the hallmarks of Ethiopian
    politics that brough about our nationalism back to the fore in defence of our
    nation and our people and their freedoms.
    We have advised the MELES/EPRDF lead Ethiopian government to change its
    ways time and again that fell on deaf ears and was only manipulating our voices.
    And only interested in saving his dying woyanes which were knocked out badly
    at the hands of Ethiopians in 2005. Meles has betrayed Ethiopians and Eritreans
    alike by not going all along for the changes he promised and cutting them at the
    start either due to his fear or trying to favour his defeated woyanes and give them
    another or extended life- ALL AT THE EXPENCE AND LOSS OF THE ERITREAN
    PEOPLE AND SACRIFICES normal trait of past bankrupt Ethiopian regimes politics.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Aman, it is the other way round. what if I convince you we hurt Ethiopians? shall I start to count for you? Shsh!!! don’t ask me to do that, KIDUN B’AFE SLASE. better clean our own home brother.

  • Nitricc

    It amazes me that the Tigryans on this forum they got some nerve and incredible arrogance. This is an Eritrean forum and by all means the Tigryans are visitors. Slice it in any angle you wish and that is remains to be the truth. For them there is no limite what they can dish it to our face every negative about Eritrea and the people of Eritrea. on this very forum the Tigryans called the entire Eritrean people as mentally unstable and with some kind psycho; the entire people of Eritrea and no single Tigryan or Eritrean opposed to that Tigryan woman. The disrespect they have for the people of Eritrea is amazing.
    Yet, I post about a university cought on fire by the people who has deep animosity with minority junta. Trust me I did not set the fire. When posted the news; I had two people in mind; Aman Hidarat and Pappi. They always praise how Ethiopia opened and so many university and all that jazz and for me I was just stinking it to them. I did not even cross my mind about the rest of the baggers. No more; no less.
    Just you know, I did not go to your forums or web-sites. You came over. Just the facts!
    I was discombobulated by the reaction I received; you would think I set the University of bagging on fire all by my self. No, it wasn’t me. It was the result of injustices that has been committed by the minority rollers of Tigray. The minority regime got greedy and brute as the outcome; here you have it and you will see more of it.
    So, please chill and take your choice of pills.
    And yes, the minority junta is offering any flight to Mekelle, 15% discount. If you fly within the same dates to Addis Abeba; you won’t get those discounts! It got to be to Mekelle. And you wonder why people are revolting? Eyob once told us he was Eritrean, now we found it out he is Tigryan but he wants no one to know that he is Tigryan. Now, he wants to be Ethiopian. Chill my man, you are number one bagger, that is all there is to it. and I admit I am an animal. I take any day to an animal than being a bagger.

    Here anther picture I got a kick out of it. you know how the Eritreans celebrate; take a look how the Tigryans trying to do it. ( copy cut went wrong)
    The fat cheek with TPLF flag is supposed be Ms. Tigray lol. Oh my. The funny part is they could have done it better. At least with better cheeks! lol

    http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/wXqoQ3no67Q/maxresdefault.jpg

    • Nitricc

      “”Festival coordinators are in the process of calling registered travelers to gather flight details. Registered travelers are those who registered using the online form or those who called the hotline number and left a message.
      Once flight details are submitted Ethiopian airlines will call each traveler for final booking before May 31, 2014.
      For departure dates between June 1 st and July 19 all festival travelers with a group of 10 or more, the discounted rate is 15% of the prevailing Ethiopian airlines rate at the time of flight.

      For departure dates between July 20th and July 25th, all festival travelers with a group of 10 or more will get a higher discount… in which case the discounted rate is $1,382 from DC to Mekelle round trip and slightly lower from Toronto.

      Note: This does NOT include the connecting flight to DC.

      The minimum of 10 group requirement does not apply on the way back.

      Return date can be changed once without additional fee.
      Thank You,
      North America Organizing Committee””

      • Kokhob Selam

        Nitricc, what is going on with you, Lol. are you advertising, informing and calling us to participate? I don’t have information about all that Festival but I got it from you. I can’t but I could have gone. Lol. it seems you love Ethiopia more than others or a bit jealous and confused?

        • Amde

          He is a secret Weyane. Ssssshhhhh

          • Nitricc

            Amde the joke you shared was funny. At first I did not get it why an Amara person will say what he said to the eritrean man. I had to ask people and they explained everything to me. Then it made sense.
            Thanks to you I learn that Eritreans at one time they were bridge destroyers. Lol
            Let me tell you one.
            An Eritrean guy walks in a bar in Addis and he challenges the people in bar who were enjoying themselves by saying
            Who want to bet me; I will head bat with one section of the wall and I will knock it down till you see the next room.
            Every one waged a bet and the Eritrean man went head on right on to the wall. And the well did not even cracked. He tried three times and nothing happened. The people asked for their money with good pay back. The Eritrean man insisted the wall to examined.
            The people in the bar agreed and they went to the next room to examine the wall and here you have it; there was another Eritrean man head rested on the oposite side where the Eritrean man tried to busted it through.
            Here the Eritresn man goes saying I told you so.

          • Kim Hanna

            Nitricc,
            The joke is like my jokes, not very funny. Now, Nitricc please tell us about how we can buy bond for the Great Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (GERD). You can add a little sales job, by saying all Eritreans who buy the bond, specially the large denominations, will be immune from being called anti Ethiopia or anti Meles. Why? because when someone raises the issue all they have to do is produce the evidence and claim that they are a proud owners of GERD bond. You can also do it, the Nitricc way, insult them if they don’t buy.
            Cheers,
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            Kim: really? I am assuming this Abay thing is united you like never before. I am guessing because any nation will do so. Although; the Ethiopians are week on national matters. Thanks to your minority government. This Killil thing has destroyed your national interest as a whole nation. Anyway; as I am assuming this things has united you and I am thereby terrified; when this thing is done. Done?????
            wait, what about Egypt; you see as the Ethiopians has found something to unite them so do the Egyptians. Yes, wait near the conclusion of the Abay Dam and send 4 F-16. Since the Ethiopian air defense system is old and outdated; the two F-16 will be lost and the two will finish the job. Now the Egyptians themselves has found something to unite them.
            I told you every country is united by events. I believe the Abay united the Ethiopians and I also believe Abay will unite the people of Egypt. So, why should anyone with the right mind should buy the bond?
            At the end you be consumed by what you thought you will be saved.
            Here you have it Kim, no go get your nails done. Kim!

          • Amde

            haha Nitricc,

            OK that is funny too. I gotta remember that one.

            I think you just formulated that Testa is not a scalar but a vector entity per my old physics classes.

            amde

          • Amde

            Hey Nitricc,

            Hot off the press and relevant to the topic. SOURCE: asmarino

            “So having seen the great construction activity of a modern rail way bridge that extends above the ground for miles, I asked my friend if it makes sense for me to volunteer for a day or two in the activity.

            He laughed, and said I appreciate your appreciation. But you may not be considered trustworthy for the job, my dear! Because based on Eritrea’s version of history blowing bridges was considered type of heroic performances in the book of 30 years struggle for independence and self-reliance. And now the way I see modern history the struggle is not over yet. The hate and fight is still going along both sides of the Mereb River. As a result your volunteer application might be questioned or even rejected. Guess what he said jokingly, who knows you may repeat the heroic activity of blowing bridges!”

            amde

      • haileTG

        Wow…here is a real difference. When hgdef does festivals, it is typically a rip off (you end up paying twice as much for anything), the Tigryan festival seems well organized and CHEAPER!!! Khokob Selam arkey, Mekele’do n’teazer this summer? Seriously, under fouteen hundred for round trip, can’t beat that ma man 🙂

        • Kokhob Selam

          Hailat Hawey, Nitricc k’qdmena eyu zmesl zelo. Lol. even Alamin M-Said might be there this summer.

        • Nitricc

          Haile hahahha it depends where you belong though.
          Check the list and that is how exactly the discount is.
          “Adwa = 40% off
          Axum = 35% off
          Adigrat = 30% off
          Shire = 25% off
          Enderta = 15% off
          Tembien = 3% off
          Raya = 1% off
          For the rest of Ethiopians +15%”
          kokobsemay, Tsa-tse and Amde.
          Seriously though, the tigryans in here trying to deny it and that is why what I brought up.

    • Solomon Seyum

      Nitric Acid,

      Are you planning to attend this ??? Ethiopian Festival in DC? I am failing to understand your infatuation with Ethiopia much like the people you are targeting such as Pappilion and Amanuel Hidrat. Okay maybe it is me… Keep on doing what you are doing. That I believe to be smearing in a very negative way what you love most, They are as you claim over and over again: Eritrea and the Eritrean People.

      It is you world! But I think as I am on to your game.

      AmEritrean GiTsaTse

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatistas,

    I am not able to stop crying in everytime I hear about pilot Dejen via assenna.com.

    He spent 6 years, imagine 6 years, I am saying six years to reject all the good deeds he had from EPLF.

    SIX YEARs, just to brainwash his own mindset to be free from the ideology installed to him since his childhood. SIX years. This is what PFDJ has in his followers. And is quite sure about it.

    Pilot Dejen, how brave you are to reject who you were?
    How brave you were to convince yourself that you were already dead.
    Did you say, “How can a dead man fear death?” -Muwut ke mot yiferih diyu?

    I don’t know whether I have words to express what I am feeling inside?

    Dejen, you are the true messiah of Justice to Eritreans

    My all time hero, Dejen, my brother.

    My brother in blood, yes, my brother ( I am telling you, he is my brother by blood, my uncle’s son -Elabered, sorry but I can’t hide our blood linkage -as I couldn’t stop crying for all the suffering he had passed through!).

    ዓለሞም ትጥፋእ ደኣ እምበር፡ ነታ ንዓሰርተ ሓሙሽተ ዓመት ዘጥፍእሉ ዓለም ዳግማይ ረኺብዋ።

    Gele kab Hero Dejen zibelo (Kab FB zitewekskwo (Henos Fikadu)

    ደጀን ሰባር ካርሸሊ ካብ ዝበሎ ኣብ 6ይ ክፋል

    ካርሸሊ ኣሽንካይ ዶ ክትእሰረሉስ ሓለዋ ኮይንካ ክትሰርሓሉ ዉን ዘፍርሕ እዩ!

    ዓማጺ እምበር ተዓማጺ ኣይዝንግዕን እዩ!

    ምዉት ዶ ካብ ሞት ይፈርሕ እዩ!

    ሕግን ካርሸልን ሕቖን ከብድ እዮም!

    ገበነኛታት ኔርና እንተንኸዉን ተኣሰርና ምተፈታሕና ( ብሕጊ ምስተዳነና)
    ገበነኛታት ስለዘይኮና ግን ኣይክንፍታሕን ኢና ምኽንያቱ ገበነኛታት እዮም ኣሲሮምና ዘለዉ!!

    And a message to those who say, how can it be possible, come with your proposal sayers,

    ዉጥን ደጀን ንምትግባር ብመጀመርያ ዘቐመጠን

    1. ንኽትሰርሖ ትደሊ ዉጥን ምሉእ ብምሉእ ኣብ ነብስኻ ተኣማመን

    2. ሚስጥራውነት ምዕቃብ እንኮ መዐወቲትካ እያ

    3. ኣብታ ናይ መጨርሽታ ስጉምቲ ኣብ ትወስደላ እዋን ነግፈረግ ዘይምባል (ዘይምጥርጣር)

    hawkum

    tes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xc75cKfvKk

    • Ppappillonn

      Dear Tes,

      HIshel’s escape from prison tops the following great escapees in history.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGPZNatihDY

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Pappillon,
        When I read the book “Pappillon”, of course after learning from you the reason why you took the alias, I never entertained an idea that that fit of ever unbroken spirit for the quest of freedom would be repeated at this age much less closer to home partly because that kind of prison horrors are not many these days. But listening to the Dejen’s narration of his prison break proved me wrong. He must be awarded the highest medal of honour for his bravery in post-IA free Eritrea.

        Regards
        TK

        • Rahwa T

          Dear T. Kifle,

          Nice comment. He deserves great honor ! When I heard the first interview, I thought there were other collaborators assisting him. That was not the case, as we learnt from Part 6.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi TK and Pappi

          See how the PFDJ supporters have nothing to say about the audacious, gutsy escape from the shackles of the most brutal regimes that this world has seen. Even, a “Woyanay”, an Ethiopian, a “Tigrayan” acknowledges Dejen. “He came unto his own, but his own received him not”

          Not only the award, I can envision a movie that not only future generations, but the living generation will shake their heads in disgust while karchelli and Ella Ero must be ineradicably preserved as sobering reminders of the crimes against humanity that Isaias and PFDJ committed under our watch, under the watch of the world. Our men and women of letters must indelibly document both the cowardice and courage of our time
          Thanks
          Sem

    • Rahwa T

      Brother Tes,

      This is incredible story of a young man, who were forced to wast 15 years of his golden age behind a bar. Each and every word of his talk is very touching. Hard to believe, but God must have sent his angles to assist him in every hurdles if the “Karsheli prison” from beginning to end.

    • fitihiNukulu

      I wonder why the other medias including awate are almost mute on Dejen’s case. This is something which needs to be amplified and repeated. It has a potential to touch and wake up a lot of the so called silent majority and PIA die hards. And honestly, it deserves all in the world! Why waste such a golden opportunity!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam tes;
      I can not tell you how gripped I have been by his narration; after 15 years in that hell, his thought process is still intact; he is definitely a hero; I can not remember any story close to this at all. I remember touring Miriam ghimbi in the days following independence and the horror stories that had taken in that infamous prison not knowing history would repeat itself. A young and a new pilot put up himself against the juggernaut Ethiopian air force without preparation and bad operational planning; with aircraft whose maintenance was not at par; losing his buddies in the process; snatched from the tarmac after returning from a duty; not being arraigned for 15 years; the psychological torture..it is just mind boggling.
      The irony is he was likely a member of PFDJ, his family is definitely. Most of those political prisoners are members, founders and cadres of PFDJ. Therefore, it is important we differentiate the chaff from the grain in our discourse. It also remind us that there has always been an opposition against the oppressive regime, and people are paying dearly. I have personal memories of most of those people mass media talk about; I hope to see their release even at this time of their age and after all this injustice. በዚ ኣጋጣሚ እዚ እንቋዕ ኣሓጐሰካ፡ ከምኡ ኣውን ወለዱን ስድርኡን።

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Mahmud Saleh,

        Every Eritrean has lots of history related with the brutal acts of the regime in Asmara. Those who live in Eritrea have lts of sound of torture with them. PFDJ is not different from Nazi, Nazi was to the jews people, but PFDJ is for his own people, the Eritreans. It is not because of race or identity, but it because PFDJ lead by DIA is devil of devils who stands against humanity, humanity at all. It is not because of their Eritrean identity but any human being who comes under PFDJ suffers equally.

        Lets look what PFDJ did to the Yemen people who were caught to fish in the Red Sea, more than 1600 were just released in this year (radio erena news). More than 1600 Yemeni prisoners under PFDJ regime. If there were such big number of prisoners from Yemen, 10,000 for Eritreans is just very small number.

        Haw Mahmud, we don’t have any other option except to weed-out the system they have built. It is hard, all the ideologies, symbols and worshiping like manifestation is hard to fight with, but no other option except to fight for it.

        To pilot Dejen, he was believing that he is by himself the front, not member but the front, no differentiation, a complete harmony a complete harmony that according to the Christian doctrine, the “Trinity like”relationship. Hard to break this. It just took him to reject himself, the Hizbawi Ginbar and just to be Dejen who will look for justice. Everything was safe and EP was everything for him, even to his family. Lot’s of things to learn. And my topic, Rule of the Jungle and my Quest to PFDJ Mindset is targeting this.

        Dismantling the mantra, the ideology, the doctrine, symbols and many associated with PFDJ. Is not an easy task, but sure it can be done, I wrote in my paper, it took me more than 10 years in search of what PFDJ ideology is. I was not PFDJ before and hence I didn’t know who they are. I came to know who they are after I spent 50 days of cadre school time in Nakfa in the summer of 2008. Since then, I am contemplating on who really PFDJites are. Mine is a search, but for Dejen, it is to reject for the one that lives within him. When one tries to reject, the other tries to search. And both intersect at one point. Just, being CONSCIOUS to know who are they.

        this is very important search. Lets join our hand to fully expose the mindset of PFDJites and dismantle it.

        And thank you for expressing your congrats.

        Hawka
        tes

        • Solomon Seyum

          Dear tes,

          Your statement I will quote below is FALSE. It is like you are saying every Eritrean voted for Independence on the 1993 referendum.

          “Every Eritrean has lots of history related with the brutal acts of the regime in Asmara.”

          Correct me if I am wrong on all the above.

          Respectfully,

          Solomon Seyum

          AmErtirean GiTsaTse

          • Solomon Seyum

            Only MUSIC is 100% or universal is what I meant to write above.

    • dawit

      Dear Cousin Tes,

      Assenas,s latest ‘Project Dejen’ looks ‘too good be true’. I am reserving my judgment on the authenticity
      of the story. I don’t want to be fooled again like Assana’s story of ‘Isaias
      Died and raised from the dead’, a creative writing project.

      Brother tes you wrote “My brother in blood, yes, my brother ( I am telling you, he is
      my brother by blood, my uncle’s son -Elabered, sorry but I can’t hide our blood
      linkage -as I couldn’t stop crying for all the suffering he had passed through!”.

      I am wondering why you or any one in the family did not tell the world that Dejen
      was imprisoned, while there were endless stories about G-15 imprisonment.
      Did you forgot about your cousin, till he pop up at Asmarino in 2014.
      Dejen was imprisoned way before G-15, other journalists and Dawit Isak were put in
      prison? Just curious!

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear dawit,

        There are 10,000 prisoners under the dictatorial torturing prison centers and are not very far from each block of family house. Most are in the center of the big cities. In Asmara, the concentration shares high, more than 50%, but the other cities too. Keren city shares second as center prison houses.

        And you asked me why I or any others didn’t talk about? brother dawit, no one stopped from talked about them. This is what we are voicing from all the corners of the world, to end this brutal regime. And if you personally asking me, though not in the closed prison centers, me too was under the big open prison place called, “Eritrea” I was a prisoner too. I could not even ask why I was in such dark prison. Just after I left Eritrea in 2012, I came to understand what FREEDOM is. I had only an imagined freedom before, the freedom that I was reading in books. therefore, all Eritreans who live inside the country are in prison, open or closed. I am now joining with the justice seekers to end this brutal regime. Since I left Eritrea I stood for justice and here I am with you to tell the world.

        Thanks for those who are voicing for the voiceless.

        Hawka
        tes

        * observe this photo attached, they are attending a meeting called by the police. But, can you see the miser in the faces of the attendants? This is what Asmara dwellers look like today, all in prison centers, just the degree differs.

        • Nitricc

          Tes you said there are 10000 prisoners in Eritrea; where did you get the numbers? Who is your source?
          This kind of emotional climes is what you opposition destroying you.
          While at it, make it 50000 that way it looks nice number?
          People make up your mind. When it suits you, you will say no freedom of press the nation is isolated and no information can be optioned then you turn around you come up with specific numbers? How?
          When I say you; I am not saying personally you but to mean the toothless opposition.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Ahlan ya Aman: Shukran jezilan. ma enta fasiH filluqah alArabia, mashaallah, atemena an aqrae akther kalimat jemila filmasteqbel.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Hope,
    ana keman betkelem Arebi, lakin neseita ketir fil Amerika.
    What do think about making Sudan, Ethiopia, and Eritrea one country and we call it Sueter, and we will have a lottery for capitol city?

    PS: “Sueter” is Sweater in Spanish.

    • Solomon Seyum

      I am not Hope,

      But I keep HOPE ALIVE!!! For ALL of EAST AFRICA TO UNITE! That way we can have a space program where we CAN, and SHALL, CRUZZZZ in the HEAVENS! We could chart our way to the STAR KOI2626. Google it please.

      The Amhara, The Tigrai, The Somalis, The bin Amir of Sudan, The JUBA PEOPLE, The Tigrawot, The Gambela, The Bilen, The Tigre, The Saho,… CAN ALLLL Swim on baHre Al AHmer and The Indian Ocean!!! As their hearts desire.

      When East African start charting and navigating through space… Rest assured we have our very own Kokhob Selam TO NAVIGATE AND CHART OUR COURSE!

      In order to BE ONE HOWEVER Dearest Fanti Ghana, (Beautiful name!!!!), WE MUST RECOGNIZE AND HAVE MUTUAL RESPECT FOR ALL OUR PARTS! An arm, a leg, an ear…. MAKES THE BODY!!!

      By the way the Agdo adjacent to ours in Hilet Sudan always baby sat me as my when my mom went to work at Teseney’s Bank in central Teseney. The family was a beautiful Kunama family who I miss dearly! (My Dad was and is a Tegadalay…)

      Sincerely,

      TsaTse

    • Solomon Seyum

      y yo ablas espanol tambien.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Solomon,
      I have no idea how this happened, but I thought I saw “Hope” before I clicked to reply.
      However, this may be karma. It looks like we have several things in common,
      including, space, so much so, I have the original Star Trek episodes and movies
      collection, the entire deep space 9 collection, and of, course, Star Trek: the
      next generation episodes and movies. I took two or three astronomy classes in
      college “for fun.” I lived in the Sudan for eight years, hence, the Arabic. And,
      of course, your regional outlook seems very close to mine. When looked
      individually, our region is full of wonderful people, but I don’t know why we
      don’t get it right to give each other a break as a group.

  • Solomon Seyum

    Izeyakum ya JemaAt al Khier nasiiii Aritreeen,

    Lema Ashena fi Khartum semaEna al kelam mn nas al sudanin ya Hleilom. Al sana Hasa ana Endi etnien wa telatin senawat fi amrica. Intum btAHku Ashan Athiupia wa nas al Athiupieennn.. ba Quarir al luqua Hasa: I am changing the language for two reasons.

    1. I do not have the Arabic fonts on my machine.
    2. After living in the USA for over three decades without returning to Hilet Sudan, Teseney, Barka Abay– Ana nesit al luqua al Arabian ymkn shiwaya ymkn katir.

    I can not change to the language of Tigrigna or Kunama (for ab kanshelona bheire Tigrigna, bilen, Tigre ArbaEte sdrabiet neirna…)

    The best language to express my thoughts with regards with this craze of Ethiopia and Ethiopians….I admire Teg. MaHmud. Gn/BUT here.I would rather speak about he beautiful people of ALL Africa SUDAN and SUDANESE. Yes I agree with Teg. MaHmud that a health envy is indeed HEALTHY! It motivates you to STRIVE and ACHIEVE.

    Without further Ado… This is what the Sudanese say when they see a very wealthy man pass them by on the streets or ShariE…

    They pray to Allah! Please God double this wealthy man’s blessings AND for us according to our needs bil mAElega.
    In Tigrigna: niAna kheA habti izi habtam sebay deribelu WooOOO Almlakh, niAna khia b manka Aqumi dilietna aytikhleAna.
    In English: And for us Lord according to our need give us a table spoonful.

    I am not sure about the apostles of the REPENT denomination of the church of YG… i.e. how stealth they may be. I HAVE LOTS of love for Ethiopia and my Ethiopian brethren. The point is “Eritrea WegiaH iya meriet!”

    Eritrea and the current governors of Eritrea: We demand the PEOPLES 1997 Constitution to be implemented!
    And we pray to God to grant US THE PEOPLE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 1997 ERITREAN CONSTITUTION!

    God said PRAY and DECLARE JIHAD/TEGADEL! i.e PRAY YET WORK FOR IT!

    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    I should have posted this under Teg. MaHmud who I have the UTMOST respect for as I DO FOR ALL ERITREAN VETERANS OF GEDLI!

  • Mahmud Saleh

    ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣቕኒእኩምና (ሓቂ’ዶ ኣይኮነን?)= ትማሊ እዩ ይመስለኒ ክልተ ትግራዎት ብዛዕባ እቲ ቀ.ሚ. ኢትዮጵያ ” ካብ ሕጊ ወጻኢ ዝሰርሑ” ኢሉ ዝተዛረቦ ኣብ ድምጺ ኣመሪካ ይካትዑ ነይሮም። ሓደ ደጋፋይ መንግስቲ ክኸውን ከሎ እቲ ካልኣይ ድማ ተቃዋማይ እዩ ነይሩ። ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ነቲ መንግስቲ ከውድቑ ብዕሊ ዝንቀሳቐሱ ሓይልታት ከምዘለዉ እውን ፍሉጥ እዩ። ክልቲኡ ወጋናት ንሕገ-መንግስቲ (ቅዋም) እናጠቐሱ እዮም ዝወናጀሉ። መንግስቲ ጸቓጢ ሜላታት ከምዘዘውትር ሕቡእ ኣይኮነን። ዝኾነ መንግስቲ (እንኮላይ እተን ኣብ ጎደና ደሞክራሲ ንኣማእት ዓመታት ዝሰጐማ ዝገብረኦ ተግባራት እዩ። ንቑሕ ዜጋን ሓራ ዝኾነ ሜድያን ኢድ-ኣታውነት ዘይብለን ናጻ ትካላት ፍትሕን ሲቪካዊ ዓንኬላትን ነዚ ዘይዓግብ ሸውሃት መንግስቲ ገደብ ይገብራሉ። ትማሊ እቲ ሚስጢራት ኣውጺኡ ተባሂሉ ብሃገሩ ዝድለ ዘሎ Edward Snowden ምስ NBC ቃለ-ምሕትት ጌሩ ነይሩ። ኣብቲ ቃለ-ምሕትት እቲ ብቐጻሊ ኣብ መንጎ መንግስትን ዜጋታትን ዝግበር ርብርብ፡ ማለት እቲ መንግስቲ ስልጣኑ ከግፍሕን ስለ’ዚ ከኣ መሰላት ዜጋታት ክቑርምም፣ እቶም ዜጋታት ድማ ንቅዋሞም ከም መሳርያ ተጠቒሞም ያዕ ክብልዎን ወትሩ ዘሎ ህልኽ ኣጕሊሑ ኣርእይዎ። በዚ መዳይ ክረአ ከሎ፡ ኢትዮጵያውያን ነዛ ብኣበሃህልኦም ልዕሊ 3000 ዓመታት ዝገበረት ዓዶም፡ ብመንጽር ዕድመኣ ኣብ ልምምድ ደሞክራስያ ኣዝያ ደንጒያ እያ ጀሚራቶ። ይሕመቕ ይጸብቕ ከኣ ብውሑዱ ትለማመዶ ኣላ። ኣቲ ንሃገሩ ካብ ጥፍኣት ካልኣይ ኲናት ዓለም ከምትሰርርን ምስ ኣሜሪካን ሩስያን ካልኦትን ብምትሕግጋዝ ንናዚ ጀርመኒ ከም ትስዕር ዝገበረ ናይቲ ግዜ ቀዳማይ ሚኒስተር ዓዲ እንግሊዝ ዊንስተን ቸርችል፡ ናይ ድሕረ ሰላም ምምሕዳር ጸጊምዎ ኣብ ምውዳእ ናይቲ ኲናት ኣብ መረጻ ምስ ተሳዕረ፡ደሞክራሲ ረሳሕ ስራሕ ምዃኑ በዛ ትስዕብ ጠቕሲ ገሊጽዎ። “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” ናብ ትግርኛ በዚ ዝስዕብ እትርጉሞ፣ “ደሞክራሲ ወላ’ኳ ዝኸፍአ ዓይነት ናይ መንግስቲ ወይ ምሕደራ እንተኾነ፡ ካብቶም ቅድምኡ ዝተፈተኑ ዓይነታት ምሕደራታትስ ይሓይሽ።” ስለ’ዚ ኢትዮጵያውያን ናይ ነገስታትን መሳፍንትን ኮሙኒስታዊ ዲክታተርነትን ምሕደራታት ርእዮም እንድዮም፡ ሎሚ ዘሎ ናይ ደሞክራሲ ፈተነታት ይሕመቕ ይጸብቕ ናብ ቅኑዕ ኣንፈት ዝወስድ ፈተነታትን ምህሮን እዩ። እቶም ሓደ ስጉምቲ ንቕድሚት ኬድና ሰለስተ ስጉምቲ ንድሕሪት ዘንዘላሓጥና ‘ሞ ናብቲ ቅድሚ 17 ዓመታት ዝነበርናዮ ብከመይ ንበጽሕ ክንፈልጥ ደንበርበር ንብል ዘለና ህዝቢ ኤርትራ እንተወሓደ ” ኣቕኒእኩምና” ምባል ‘ዶ ከይንበቀሎም። ኣብ ዝሓለፈ በዓል ናጽነት ሰብ ዘይተጸበዮ ሓደ ምሉእ ሓሳብ ካብ ፕረሲደንትና ወጺኡ። ቅዋም ክንነድፍ ክንጅምር ኢና ኢሉ። ዓመት መጸት ክምነያ ዝጸናሕኩ’ሞ ዝቐበጽክዋ፡ ” እሱራት ክልቀቑ እዮም” እትብል ነይራ። ዳርጋ ነዊሕ ጌረ ካብ ዝጸብራ። ብኡ መሰረት፡ ዓመታዊ መደርኡ ካብ ዘይሰምዕ ዓመታት ሓሊፉ። ብቀዳማይ እውን ኣብ ፎሩም ዓዋተ ምስ ኣተኹ ናይ ሳልሕ ዮኒስ ሓተታ ምስ ረኣኹ እየ ናብኡ ከይደ። ብዛዕባ ቅዋም ብዘይካ እቲ ዜግነት ክወስድ ዘጽናዕክዎን በብግዚኡ ደቀይ ዘምጽእዎን ማስ ሜድያ ዘልዕሎን ካልእ ከም ስነፍልጠት ብዙሕ ዝፈልጦ የብለይን። ብእኡ ድማ እየ ተቖጢበ። ግን ኣብዘን መዓልታት ክልተ ካብቶም ጽሑፋቶም ዘንብብ ሰባት ዝጸሓፍዎ ኣንቢበ። ሳልሕ ጽቡቕ ሓበሬታ ሂቡ፣ ሓው ሰመረ ከኣ ናይ 1997 ቅዋም ደኣ እምበር እምቢ ኢሉ። ክሳብ ሕጂ ናይ ሕጊ ምሁር ኮይኑ መብርሂ ዝሃበ ኣይረኣኹን። ንዓይ ከም ተራ ሰብ ዝመጸ ሓድሽ ነገር ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን። ናይ 1997 ኣብ ትሕቲ ጽልዋ ህግን ኢሰያስን እዩ ተጻሒፉን ጸዲቑን። ኢሰያስ ባዕሉ ቀቢርዎ። ሕጂ ከኣ ኢሰያስ እዩ ቅዋም ክንደፍ ዝብል ዘሎ። ምኽንያቱን ኣገባብን ገደብ ግዜን ዝተዋህበ ‘ኳ እንተዘየለ፡ እንተደኣ ብሓቂ ክንደፍን ክምስራሕን ኮይኑ ካብቲ ናይ 1997 ዝኸፍአ ከምዝኸውን ኣይጠራጠርን። ምኽንያቱ ሎሚ ናይ ህዝቢ ጠለባት እናዓበየ ኣብ ኢሰያስ ዘሎ እምነት ከኣ እናኣንቈልቈለ ከይዱ ስለዘሎ፡ እቲ ናይ ቀደም ኣብ እዋን ቃልሲ ዝኣከቦ ብልጫታት የለን። ስለ’ዚ ህግድፍ ኣብ ስልጣን ክቕጽል እንተኾይኑ ናብ ሓደ ሰልፋዊ ዝዛዘወ ኣሃዱኣዊ ስርዓት፡ ስልጣን ብቅዋም ኣቢሉ ኣብ ፈጻሚ ኣካል ዝጽዕቐሉን ሰባዊ መሰላት ኣመና ድሕሪት ዝስረዓሉ፡ ካብቲ ናይ 1997 ዝኸፍአ ቅዋም እዩ ክህሉ። ተቃወምቲ ብፍላይ እቶም ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝመደበሮም ሱታፌ ክህልዎም ኣይጽበን። ኣብቲ ናብ ቅዋም ምንዳፍ ዘብጽሕ ግዜ ደንቤ ተቃውሞ ክመቓቕል ክፍትን እዩ (ብቐደሙ እውን ሓድነት የብሉን)። እቶም “ሃገሮም ዘይሸጡ” ዝበሃሉ ወገናት ተቓውሞኦም ከምዘደስክሉ ወይ ዘመሓይሹ እንተተመባጺዖም ወይ ብግብሪ ቅድሚ እቲ ናይ ምምማይ እንተጀሚሮሞ ናይ ምስታፍ ተስፋ ክወሃቦም እዩ። እዚ እቲ ስርዓት ውሽጣዊ ስርርዑ ስጡም እንተሎ እዩ። ከምቲ ሳልሕ ዩኒስ ዝጸሓፎ፡ “ሃገር ዓቂብና፡ ቁጠባ ክነመሓይሽ ዓቕምና ጌርና፡ ጥራይ ሕጂ ካብዚ ዘለናዮ መውጽኢ ኣርእዩና” ክብሉ ይኽእሉ እዮም። ውሽጣዊ ጥዕና እንተለዎም ዝያዳ ኣስተርሕዮም ንካልኦት እውን ከሳትፉ ይኽእሉ። ምኽንያቱ “በቲ ዝጸድቕ ቅዋም እውን ክስዕር እኽእል እየ” ዝብል ኣተሓሳስባ ክህልዎም ይኽእል። ህግድፍ ውሽጣዊ ኩነታቱ ሕማቕ እንተሎ፡ ህዝቢ እውን ክዒብዎ ከምዘሎ ደምዲሙ እንተሎ ግን፡ እታ ሓንቲ ምርጫ ብጠበንጃ ምግዛእ ስለዝኾነት፡ ከምቲ ኣቀዲሙ ዝተባህለ በይናዊ ቅዋምን ካብቲ ናይ 1997 ኣዝዩ ዝኽፍአን ክኸውን ትጽቢት ይግበረሉ።

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Mahmud,

      A constitution as covenant (a) Does it has a contractual nature? (b) If yes how does its contractual nature exhibit? (c) If yes how do you relate to 1997 document? (d) If not why not? I want to see your take on this crucial subject.

      Senay Mishet,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan wa Sahlan Amanuel Hidrat; “ብዛዕባ ቅዋም ብዘይካ እቲ ዜግነት ክወስድ ዘጽናዕክዎን በብግዚኡ ደቀይ ዘምጽእዎን ማስ ሜድያ ዘልዕሎን ካልእ ከም ስነፍልጠት ብዙሕ ዝፈልጦ የብለይን። ብእኡ ድማ እየ ተቖጢበ። ” These two sentences were inserted in my Tigrigna (original) comment to ward off questions like these which may be a bit over my head. However, since you came up with them, I will give you my guess or understanding of the questions brought froward. This is not to say I do not understand the subject;I have a good grasp of what that document could contain. My problem- and I believe most participants exhibited similar perplexity in their comments- is the technical part of writing, codifying,and annulling it. If you remember pappillon asked SGJ if he could reach to Dr.Bereket. With that as an introduction, let me see your questions.
        a/ If a constitution has a contractual nature= Yes, in its philosophical and theoretical nature; however, its contractual manifestation or obligation depends on the nature of the document ie how it was constituted, whether the stakeholders agreeing to form a union, nation, tribe..have unbiased and equal strength and unfettered participation. As a document, since it contains the nature of the sovereign and the check and balance mechanism-intra-governmental branches relationship- and importantly, the contract or relationship between the governing and the governed, yes it has a contractual nature. But we know there are many countries which describe their constitution as social contract, however, never observe that contract, their constitutions remain to be facade. So, when I say “yes” I am implying a constitution/ social contract in an ideal social order, and still, you will have constant friction between the governing and the governed and between different social interests because of the universal nature of government of constantly trying to circumvent constitutionally enshrined rights of citizens as we see it in the US.
        b/ The exhibition or manifestation of the contract could be seen from two angles ( again this is an uneducated guess, I am doing it for respect of you asking me)
        (i) what is its basis? How strong is it? Does it reflect genuine inputs from the principals or an equal opportunity of the stakeholders? Do they (the principals) believe they own it and are ready to die for it? I think of it in its simple form as a contract between shareholders and the governing board of a company. Since millions of shareholders can not run their investment they contract it out to the management (agent). Now, of course, for social contract (constitution) it will be weightier than that.
        (ii) How complete is it? are there mechanisms which fend off threats, or integral parts that facilitate its evolution (amendments..), does it have guarantees that ensure the check and balance nature in order for it to survive stress and challenges..etc? Does it reflect the uniqueness of the social group adopting it as a contract among themselves and between them and the government they chose to delegate their affairs to? Is it relevant to their history, traditions,..precedents…etc
        Now, having talked about the social groups (through their representatives) roles and the healthiness of the document, its manifestation will dependent on how prepared the society is to own and guard the document. Government will always seek for ways to sidestep and overreach; it’s going to be u[ to the citizens to watch it. Here, as you know, the role of the third estate is important. It is all about cultural “maturity.” It should be in the blood, in the DNA “give me liberty or death.”
        c/ I am totally with you on the 1997. It should be taken as our constitution which could be revised if needed, with the acknowledgement that this is too technical for me to comment on. I believe it should be revised by an elected body free from the intrusions of the govern. I believe it was written and ratified when the president and the national council that ratified it were seen as “gods.” The government at that time had heavy handed presence in all the process; the members of the Constitution committee were all revolutionaries with little knowledge of practical knowledge and authority of producing uncontaminated document. The chairman himself, as distinguished as he is, was a long time EPLF member and its top representative in different international arenas. It is difficult for me to believe he could not have been biased to some degree. We did not have the constitutional crisis and the experience we have had after the ratification of the constitution, in the past 17 years; at least now, people are aware of how dangerous it is when you let the executive branch unleashed; in addition, there are areas that could be revised. You have commented on them immensely; so I will not repeat them, but areas such as the form of the government )presidential/parliamentary, semi presidential…devolution of power; making sure that essential civil rights could not be violated easily; areas of language/ land..ethnic participation…( if Tigrigna is ~50% and Tigre 30% according to the last census, then we are left with about 7 very small social groups that we have to make sure their interests are guaranteed (how do we ensure that? may be bi-camera legislative body?) How do we ensure that a Nara candidate/interest has an equal opportunity as a Tigrigna or Tigre candidate/interest? I know the reality of today, but we are talking about a document that will outlive us and our children.
        Sorry, I am terrible at organizing my thought and putting it in a concise form.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Ahlen Mamud,

          If one of the characteristics of a constitution has to have contractual behavior which you agree in the above comment, here is what I characterize the constitutional process for the document of 1997.The process created two tiers of class of citizens, one group who had every right to do everything even to decide the rights of others and the fate of the nation, and the other group who were literally asked their physical presence without their mental acuity. Remember when political organizations asked to dissolve their organizations and come to Eritrea as individuals. It is under this circumstances the constitutional process was facilitated. EPLF was the only organization who got to determine the fate of our nation and the rights of Eritrean people.

          For those who were silent at that time, they forget that at one point history will bite them and off course will face the same fate like those who were denied during the process. Dear Mahmud, this was my stand at that time: There is no an expression of the ‘self-Amanuel’ without the unity of his physical body and his mind to go to Eritrea. Amanuel is not real Amanuel without his mental acuity.” So haw Mahmud, that was the scenario of the second tier class of citizens by virtue and understanding of the good doctor who never accept the accusation that comes from history, but he is good to defend that discriminatory process.

          Hawka,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Merhaba Amanuel:
            Yes, I agree; I mentioned in my comment that the drafting committed was composed mostly of revolutionaries,and stated that even Dr.Bereket himself, as along member and top diplomatic and legal counsel of the EPLF, could not have been free of biases. In addition to the left out part of our society, mainly ELF affiliated organizations and individuals, there was no active civil participation from within derg controlled Eritrea in the drafting ptocess. So, I agree that it was done under the influence of EPLF and I am sure EPLF constitution and programs played a great role, in addition to the Federation era constitution and other universally accepted generic civil right articles. However contaminated it may be, I believe, it’s ours. It could be revised following its amendment article. What I would like more info on is the points Saleh raised which touch on reasons that could render it as likely inapplicable or invalid. If that’s the case, I would like to know if a constitution could simply be invalidated by the call of the president; if that is possible then, what can you expect from another constitution under the same ruling body and president? I would like to see a legal expert invited to air his/her views on these areas.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Mahumd,

            First you reflected my position correct, if you add to it, to be revised before it is implemented. As to the procedure on how the revision process will be, take from the points I gave to Saay. As an individual, that is where I compromised to bring the opposite argument to the middle ground. I believe with out that we can’t make reconciliation on past history and recent politics of grievances. My friend Saay failed to compromise. For him compromising is losing your principles. If the constitution didn’t become the common principle of all Eritreans of different stripes, nothing else.

            Here is what I have gleaned from our exchange. (a) we identified the defect of the process and the defect of the document and agreed on both accounts. (b) we differ on how to revise it. I say before it is implemented, and you said we start with it and the elected assembly do it.

            Again the process is equally important as to the outcome of the process. Here is the problem with your plan: if we leave to the assembly it requires 67-75% to amend any provision in the document. Let me give you the realistic scenario. With the reality that we don’t have parties at the early stage of the transition, the assembly seats will be dominated by PFDJ. Look, since the document belongs to PFDJ they will not vote for amendment. So you are telling me indirectly the we need decades to go to make the necessary change on it. What it bothers me from those who are defending the document is, why are you insistent for a document that has never been implemented and out rightly reject even to revise its flaws before it is implemented. When you argue like that, it just will add to the suspicion and mistrust already we have. We need to come to face the reality of our people and our nation. The polarity hits already the value system of the Eritrean people that unite us as one people and coexist peacefully.

            Senay meAlti,

            Amanuel H.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Amanuel:
            sorry just to add to my comment; I reflected what I believe your position is on the constitution; that “as exclusive and weak as it may be, let’s own it and work on its revision” (that’s you are strongly critical of it, but willing to accept it with conditions. Please let me know if your view is different. That’s what I have collected from the comments you posted.

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Mahmud Saleh:
      Excellent reflection. Before I reflect let me say that, I like this comment of yours so much for it is very light on what Saleh Younis calls PFDJ Tigirna, ማለት everything is literally translated from English example ጸዕዳ ሓርማዝ 🙂
      Most likely Isaias will not follow on his one line mention of the constitution, also it is likely that he will start in earnest to appease the chatter of constitutional government from inside and buy time to further consolidate his base and power for his heir. He will solidify all the bases and pave the path towards a dynasty rule in Eritrea. His son will ensure that his legacy remains untarnished in the history books as long as it is humanely possible because he will dictate it. His prodigy Ali Abdu started that with the series of “Weqawi Qalat” And the poor people of Eritrea are stimulated by one mention of the word constitution and they are tripping over themselves to be part of this historical mention.

      In the same way constitutions do not write themselves, constitutions also do not implement themselves and constitutions also do not protect themselves. People write, implement and protect them. Isaias would have still ignited the war with Ethiopia regardless of an implemented constitution.

      The insult that DIA hurled towards the entire clapping population after recently saying that those who want elections should go to the moon, it is hard to believe that now it has suddenly dawned to DIA about the need of rule of law. DIA knows that he is spiralling downwards in every aspect becoming beyond redemption and reform, a rule of law will demand accountability, responsibility of past crimes, apology, restitution to victims not necessarily revenge and all these can only happen over his dead body. His consistent patterns are a guide. The foggy thinking that many of our compatriots suffer from is the anguished pinioning their hopes on DIA to save them from the quarry of fire that he has thrown the entire country in.

      The legacy and future of DIA is in the pantheons of other murders like Pol Pot, his bosom fried Gadhafi, Hitler and other inhumane humans who walked the earth. It is that black and white.

      One thing that is so disturbing to the PFDJ and its support, if there is one thing that hurts them the most and it is not the suffering of our people, it is not the Lampedusa tragedy or all the combinations of tragedies and malices that ail Eritrean and Eritreans, if there is ONLY one thing that accomplishes all the worry and anguish to them is this: the fact that Ethiopia under the Woyane has become a “fledgling democracy”

      Teg.Mahmud ቀናእ አይወለድ፡ ሓሳድ ድማ ይሞንቆስ

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    FEAR OR CUNNING ?
    I see some people trying to use scapegoats and trying to put blames
    on some specific people when they hit the wall and are faced with the
    reality ?
    Is this right or normal ?
    1st- why do they fear ? and not take responsibility ? and stand for their
    statements if they knew what they were doing or were believing in what
    they were doing ?
    2nd- why do they have to take someone on public media as their leader
    and be Goaded by him who is only throwing his perspective for discussion ?
    3rd- Because ideas win over ideas in discussion, let them bring their ideas
    and alteranatives to win in the market if they have any than to put the blame
    on someone for their failures and trying to use them as scapegoats.
    4th- Do not read what is not written AND Do not try to put your own words on
    someone’s mouth. ( whether you intended it for good or bad) because public
    medias are open spies and corrupt people serving dictatorial rulers can use
    them to undermine the on going struggle for democracy and rule of law.
    WE DE HAN KUM .

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Eritrea is the ONLY SINGLE PARTY country in Africa. Libya and Swaziland have no official parties yet. So Now you know, when IA says we are Number 1 in Africa, what the one really stands for 🙂

  • Nitricc

    You know how Aman and Pappi brag that Ethiopia has 30 something Universites and all that. what they don’t know is that what is the point if there is no peace and hormony within the people. what ever the number of univeristy please subtruct one. one just went up in flames. up-rising?

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10302213_503526776442977_2983484749485524377_n.jpg

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam (son Nitricc),

      The renowned poet, activist, teacher, and artist Maya Angelou, who died Yesterday (RIP) had said this: “humility comes from the inside out” a lesson all of us we have to take a note. Please show humility and sympathy to any human being who faces with any tragic of human or property lose. If this burning building is a university or college, remember it is the university of our brothers and sisters, who are given the chance to continue their education by the GOE. Yes our brothers and sisters,our sons and daughters, who fled from the “serfdom to the lord” in Eritrea. I would like to seal my advise again by the words of the same poet; which says ” I have learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Bad or good, people will never forget how you made them feel.

      As to the harmony and peace within the Ethiopian people, let them deal with it (if there is any) it is the Ethiopian problem and they will manage it. Let us deal with ours, that so far we failed to mange our problem.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Nitricc

        Aman the reason I brought this thing is not that I get a joy out of it or anything like that but to make a point. You can build things; be it universities, highways and high rising buildings. The once you,Pappi and others never lets us to forget; all I am saying is the best way to build a nation is not by material things you build, rather the hormony among your people; the equal and just distribution of walth and most of all work ethic and resourcefulness you intrust among your people.
        The eritrean government is crusfied by most of you for doing the right thing; treating all ethics equally and distributing farly what ever the resources are. The eritrean government did not built a single building on Asmara becouse they have to consider people on Aqurdet; people in Tserona and people in senhit.
        Yet when the weyane led Ethiopia about to engulf on fire becouse of their mishandling now I am to blame.
        As we speak there is 15% air fair discount to fly to Ethiopia is you are a Tigryan and you are going to Mekele to celebrate Tigray festival ( you guessed it copy cat from Eritrea) if I am Amara, Oromo and any none Tigryan how do you I am going to feel?
        What I am saying is the weyane screw everything up and this one is only the starter. When the election comes they may have no university left.
        So, I am just expressing what I am thinking; openly. I hope they make it out but I am afraid.
        So, chill people what is one university for a country that have gazillion universities. So people chill. I am just point it out at the philosophy of the Weyane.

        • dine

          Nitricc,
          where did you get this ”15% air fair discount to fly to ethiopia if u r a tigryan”? . ETH has occasional discount for their costumers(ethiopian or non-ethiopian) but there is no such thing tigrayan, non-tigrayan or ethiopian, non-ethiopian.

          • Nitricc

            Here it is A tigryan man. Eyob just hold on anther toothless university will go up on fire. Bagger.

            http://tigraionline.com/festival-tigrai-2014-tol.jpg

          • Amde

            Don’t panic Nitricc,

            You can get the discount too – just tell them amde sent you and that you are going to Mekelle for Tigrai Festival. Just try not to burn down anything on the way. or while there.

            Reminds me a of a joke I read someplace (perhaps here)

            An Ethiopian and Eritrean are friends. They go to visit the Golden Gate Bridge. So they stand on one of the hills overlooking the bridge. Both stand quietly regarding teh majesty of the bay and the incredible engineering that is the Golden Gate. A couple of minutes of silence pass, and then the Ethiopian turns to look at his Eritrean friend who was staring with rapt attention.

            The Ethiopian then says “yihene eko yichinim dildiy endet lafendat eyalk eyasebk new.”

            amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            Oh man, who you callin’ ‘dildiy afrash’?! 🙂

            I heard a different version of your joke. I heard that it was two drunk Ethiopian and Eritreans friends. They fought in a bar, and the Eritrean dude left early from the bar and went home. As they were neighbors, when the Eritrean notices that there is a small wooden path that leads to the door of the Ethiopian guy that was laid over the drain pipe. Knowing that his neighbor would come home really drunk and wouldn’t notice that the wooden path has been removed and would fall into the dirty drain pipe, the mischievous Eritrean removed that wooden path and went to his own house. As he has expected, when the Ethiopian guy came home real drunk and tried to walk to get home, because the wooden path that was there was removed, he fell in the drain, got really dirty, his clothes were ruined, he had few patches of wounds on his face, and was a bit disheveled, but managed to get into his house. The next morning, the Eritrean guy went to his friend very proud of what he did, and, as it is normally the case with a lot of Eritreans, feeling unjustifiably superior 🙂 ready to brag about his mischievous trick last night, asked him ‘how was it, when you got home last night?’, and the Ethiopian guy replied ‘ante?! Yachim enchet, dildiy hona afersakat?”…. 🙂

          • Amde

            Hi Eyob,

            haha that is funny too. am still laughing – I can really picture them both. The Eritrean smug and proud, the Ethiopian annoyed and bewildered. But both out of a bridge due to a stupid grudge.

            Let that be a lesson to us all – ye sew tinish indelele ye dildiy tinish yelewum.

            you gotta share if you have more – unfortunately I think I have exhausted my share of this genre of jokes.

            amde

          • Just for a laugh. The changing mentality of Ethiopians. No burden is heavy enough to carry anymore.
            Long live hard work!
            No, he is not “ጅሉ ማሞ”.

            http://www.diretube.com/must-watch/goat-riding-a-guy-riding-a-bike-video_e50e5795e.html

          • Eyob Medhane

            Horizon,

            Here is the guy (the beg delivery biker) on Seifu Fantahun show. (I am not sure, if this is the same guy, though)

            🙂

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k_qN3lzNJXc

          • dine

            Nitricc
            like i said, Ethiopian Airlines has occasional discount for all it’s flights including mekelle. you don’t have to believe every thing you read. you can check it out yourself in Ethiopian Airlines official website.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Nitricc, what good is for you on this? do you think one university transferred to PFDJ administration on this unfortunate event? do you mean your target and aim is to see Ethiopia in flames? is that what your purpose in life is? shame on you Nitricc. please grow up!!!!!!

    • Selam Nitric,

      If I am not mistaken you must be the same person, who was happy when a bus fell over a bridge in Addis and a group of people were killed. You are happy again, because a building was set on fire, in a university in Ethiopia. Fortunately, there
      were no dead students; otherwise, your happiness could have been without limit.

      At least Ethiopia has many universities and she can afford to lose one (if I follow your logic). You are satisfied and do not have to worry, because you have no university to lose. Is that so?

      You hate Ethiopia more than you love Eritrea. You must be the same person who calls slackers those young Eritreans, who run away towards freedom from the hell you have created for them, and die in the four corners of the world.

      My friend, this is sadistic and unnatural and you seem devoid of any empathy for other human beings, not even for your own people. Learn to rein your hate and anger, and do not hide behind hatred trying to avoid facing the Eritrean reality. After all, it is of your own making.

      You ultra-nationalists created Eritrea, and on the very day Eritrea was born, you started destroying the country. What a pity. You should learn at last that the ultra-nationalists are the number one enemy of the Eritrean people and not Ethiopia. Ethiopia is at peace with itself, and with those who value peace and cooperation.

      • Nitricc

        Aside your none sense; what bus are you talking anout?
        I was happy about a bus?

        • Rahwa T

          Who is behaving as non-sense?

      • Abinet

        Dear horizon
        What do you expect from someone who consumed so much hate ? I gave up long time a go . Some want us to be broken into pieces,some think we are one draught away from extinction, some wish Egypt bomb us….and these are supposed to be educated and and know the values of peace and cooperation .
        What a waste of time and energy just to wish ill ?
        I always ask my self why do we need cooperation with them?

        • Eyob Medhane

          Horizon, Abinet,

          I just don’t understand why you reply and talk to this animal. By talking to him, you acknowledge his existence. In my book, that is a no no with this kind of disease. I understand this is a discussion forum, but I am assuming it’s only for human beings.

          • Solomon Seyum

            Dear Horizon, Abinet, Eyob Medhane and Nitric:

            Working out of Se caucus, NJ, around the time of 9/11/2001, I believe it was Rutgers University or Seton Hall that experience a horrible fire that injured horribly some young students. Much like how 9/11 affected/magnified my abhorrence for the inhumanity of an insignificant number of individuals with a horrible zeal of what they, (benefit of a doubt here) have misconstrued, perhaps to an ailment or two, to be true, that instance where young students were hurt, I have to be honest here, damaged me significantly. I had to be hospitalized at Princeton for a few days. (Thank god I had excellent PRIVATE healthcare at the time!)

            Nitric Acid, we go wayyyyyyyyy back hommiieee. as your initials gives yours truly a cue… NOT APPLICABLE!…, PUT A SOCK ON IT HOMIE!…

            Nitric little brother (I think since awate,com 1.3), you might be affected by SOME ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. The END my friend DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

            For YG and HIS MISLEAD AND MISCONSTRUED PERCEPTION FOLKS… logically the negation of that statement is ALSO FALSE!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VCdJyOAQYM

            So for all of you ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT FOLKS OUT THERE, kindly allow me to share a link to one of my favorite bands in the 80s.

            Sincerely,

            Solomon Seyum

            aka TsaTse/GiTsaTse

            ——————————————————————————————-

            Saay…. 10 I SEE Tennessee! Teseney SaHibey!!!!!!!!

          • abinet

            Selam Eyob
            You are right . It is waste of time.

        • Dear Abinet,

          The hate Eritrean ultra-nationalists have for Ethiopia is much stronger than the love they have for their people. That is the reason they did not hesitate to lead the Eritrean people through fire and death to the open prison we see today. Fifty years later, they are still unashamedly asking for more sacrifice from the
          people, while they themselves and their families live in a safety zone, either within or outside their country.

          They are forcing the people to dance, smile and be happy, despite their predicaments, on the day Eritreans lost their freedom and humanity and were turned into slaves, and the ultra-nationalists got a piece of land, which they can call their own. Despite what ultra-nationalists say, they do not care a bit if Eritrea is destroyed, provided Ethiopia is destroyed too.

          One thing though; whenever we Ethiopians talk of Eritreans, we should not forget to put always in the front sit the ordinary, innocent and dissent Eritreans. They are much much different from the mean, egoistic, hallucinated, and dictator-worshipping
          Ethiopian-haters. The latter are in the minority, but unfortunately at the helm of power.

          Therefore, my friend, do not lose hope on Eritreans, and a possible future peaceful co-existence of one sort or other, because only a miracle can keep Eritreans away from Ethiopians, especially now that they have seen the bitter reality that Eritrea
          cannot survive, let alone develop without Ethiopia on her side.

          • abinet

            Dear horizon
            you think the hate is superficial and it is among the the leadership only. I wish I agree with you on that. This would have been nice. However, I think it is deep in the society. Hate has been inculcated in the minds of the young ones systematically through generations. First it was the amhars or the king, then it was the amharas and the derg, now it is the tgrians and the woyanes, that they hate and blame for everything under the sun. Even aftr the independence, they did not change. They always find someone to hate and blame. Of course there are brave ones who don’t hate and want normalization . Unfortunately they are in the minority. And they call them ethiopians as if being an ethiopian is the worst thing the world. They need detoxification . Too much negative energy blinded them from seeing a better future.
            The bitter reality that you mentioned about their servival without ethiopia , I have a different take on the issue. I think they can survive and prosper if only they put a little effort. Right now their effort is towards something else other than development and peace and cooperation. Look how much income they can generate from assab port and all the business coming with the port . Hotels, restaurants transportation, the potential is endless. There is a bigger market just south of theborder which can consume wwhatever they produce. They have a great potential to grow if they stop complaining and work for it.
            Well, it looks like I came back to your idea that they need us .funny how things work.
            Melkam qen.

  • Loss of Citizenship

    According to the 97 Constitution, collaborating with the enemy of the state is punishable by death and loss of citizenship.

    According to the ’97 Constitution most of you in the “opposition” have already lost your Eritrean citizenship because you collaborated with Eritrea’s sworn enemy, Weyane.

    So there you go. You will never set foot in Eritrea again.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Loss of Citizenship,

      let you be fooled by the dead constitution of your own constitution. I will ask though, is there any article that says, “Eritreans are not allowed to set foot in Eritrea?'”, for the time being, I want to please you, let what you said is written in your (PFDJ’s) constitution.

      Just bring me any piece of sentence or article with in the 1997 constitution that says, “Eritreans are not allowed to set foot in Eritrea.”

      I will be waiting for you and I will come back again when you respond to chew you-up to be a true citizen. Eritreans are Eritreans, by blood or by choice, this is within your dead constitution. There is no article that takes away citizenship nor gives citizenship, it is upto the individual to be an Eritrean or not, you damn man.

      hawka
      tes

      • haileTG

        Dear tes

        “”Eritreans are not allowed to set foot in Eritrea.” Whether written in the form of constitutional article or not is the most strictly implemented clause of PFDJ:

        – Over half a million (accounted and accounted) Eritreans have been pushed out and it is continuing at an alarming rate

        – No Eritrean between 18 – 60 can move around inside Eritrea without any two of i) menqesaqesi (movement permit) II) meninet (identity card) or III) mefanewi papers (NS discharge paper).

        – No Eritrean in the diaspora can go AND conduct any formal activity without any two of I) meninet (identity card) II) Y’qreta (apology – where applicable) III) 2% clearance

        supporters eko a’bUr eyom – qwarinka mHareskalom trust me 🙂

        • Bel

          Common now,

          Didn’t you tell us you went to Eritrea recently (2011)? Common now, do tell:

          – If you pay and still paying 2%
          – If you had to fill tasa form?
          – If you chose to use your Eritrean Identity card (Assuming you are Eritrean, that is) instead of using your foreign nationality. Or perhaps you used your other country’s identity to run away from doing your obligation (Assuming you are an Eritrean, that is)?
          – How come nobody touched you all this time you were going to Eritrea as you please?
          – Now that you took off your Eritrean jacket (of a fake one) and chose to be a woyanie sidekick, does that mean there is no chance for you to go to Eritrea now?

          Normally people get smarter as they age, but you go dumber and dumber by the minute

          • Hope

            Haile the G,are u there?

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear haile TG,

          A’bUr trah elka. Kenetsriyom ena gdi yeblkan. We will brainwash them, all and enho keman Loss of Citizenship tedenagiru egru nabza Awate anbiru. He will not go away and I am sure he will sonn change his name into a true citizen.

          And now this is a message directed to Loss of Citizenship and you are with me.

          Brother haile, the only way to cure mind problem is to know the mind. And we know their mind. Dro ko kilkil kilkl kiblu jemirom. In spirit science, it says, there is an energy that generates from the mind. This energy is easy to manipulate if and only if you know the source and the destiny. We know the source of the evil energy they have and we know to where they are sending it. And the secret to distort this energy is to generate an energy called, “Love energy.” They (PFDJ are source of hate energy, evil energy, killer energy, devil’s energy.” But, to protect this, Newton’s third Law is applied. For every action there is equal but opposite reaction. Which can be equally applied for energy. For every negative energy, equal but opposite energy is present. PFDJ has hate energy and we have to react equally but with love energy. This is how we can crush the energy that is coming from.

          Loss of citizenship is rejecting us to step to his PFDJite country, not Eritrea, but the Eritrea that they think they are living on. But, here we welcomed him and is able to write what he wants. he should understand (though he is far from this, we need to work a lot, actually we have attracted him from the devil’s place). He will share our love, opposite to his, but strong love of our people.

          We need him, we are not like his PFDJ who kills innocent people. We will brainwash him, not by putting in dark room, but in an open FREE WORLD.

          Dear L… o…Citizenship,

          … Citizenship (you know why I dropped the first two words… ), we love you as you are now. because we love you, the awate.com gate is open to you, welcome home. Just stay in peace and meditate on the wisdom that will be bestowed onto you. Oh, are you tumbling? Sure you will. Love is strong and this is our tool to brainwash you.

          Zefkreka (sleti znebereka dinkurna) hawka
          tes

    • Haile WM

      defying logic is the favorite sport for you blind PFDJ supporters right ?

      1) if the 97 constitution is not implemented then it has not validity on whoever i.e. opposition for the so called “collaboration” or PFDJ mafia for brutalizing the Eritrean people. If you accuse opposition then you have to accuse PJDF junta based on the same ground of the ’97 constitution … but hey! the pfdj had the “sovereign territories occupied” alibi, even opposition could use it right ?!?! 🙂

      2) EPLF is indeed collaborator of Woyane as it collaborated to eliminate ELF making them the worst collaborators of woyane. How would that fit in your (poor) logic ?

      there was this saying that perfectly describes you blind supporters, “Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt” i.e. aQmika tezareb in PFDJ slang

  • Solomon Seyum

    Good_____________ folks. You fill in the blank depending what time zone you are in.
    As we have been emptying entire clips just for S and G purposes (Shitzzzs and Giggles), at least some of us, as stated previously it is time that We, referring to the individual as a collective, we ought to emphatically decide, by way of ringing the bell, state that class is now in session. Start with this equation ->>>> We are all familiar with PV = nRT. You can say: Due to the pressures we are all enduring we have emptied several clips to let off some steam. Some have suggested, a cooling off period maybe necessary. They are almost always right. Having said that I am directed by my guides, no no NOT by my financiers, to the following question:
    “What are the factors that enable a person actually to use a language in away that fulfills its main purpose–communication?”(1)
    Well, as an Instructor the sound that all of us should hear simultaneously is: Hmmmmm.
    ——————————————————————————————————————————
    (1) The Foundations of Dual Language Instruction — Judith Lessow-Hurley

  • Semere Andom

    The Acid Aka Nitricc fires Sal as his mentor and manger and hires another Saleh and another Younis.

    After been benched and not bitching about it, “Hidmoy” is not happening even in Awate 7.0. And to add insult to injury Sal described my dialogue as a monologue. Jesus! Sal if you knew your culture you would know that the “Hidmo” talks. So please consider this as your termination letter effective immediately.

    I made the mistake that because Sal is “dentured” that he is nationalist, he is like the rest confused, tootheless just like his friend Sem Andom and the non-human Serray, yes that SOB who wants to give Assab to Ethiopia. I mean where is the honor, where is the respect, where is it, where is everything, where is Eryreanism. Where is it answer me

    I, Nitricc, the independent believe in the independence of Erytrea and I am hiring Tegadalay Mahmud Saleh and non-Tegadalay Younis Housin to be my mentors and managers, too bad Sal, you identified my talent, but you cannot release it and true to your toothlessnenssneses, true to your opposition heritage you cannot finish what you have started. You would be a good mentor if you weed out every trace of the toothless. Trust me my man, I can tell talent when I see it too

    And before I finished I have a message for those trying to weed out heroes and pfdj, good luck with your loosing weeding out game, in the mean time I am in the weeds of weeding out all the toothless guys and gals. Also that Tigrinya Hayat, Ok, I will say more in my next message. And that “Babylon” lady, I may have lots to say about, but now I will fokas on the firing.

    I am tough as as you can get I took body building since I was a lad, am still a lad and I can handle any punches, but to be benched for ever and to call my dialogue a monologue hurts my heart so much, the pain is REAL and so is Independence day. And also Amanule Hidrat wants to call me son, I am not the son of a toothlessopposition, and wait that Saba, yea I “aksed” her to “aks” Serray she says I “aks” too many questions, what a wimp, Erytra never produced wimpy people she must be Woyane

    All the F****tards opposition time will finish you but it will finish before it finish the hero IA

    Acidly

    Niricc

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam Semere:
      Of course, he does not need any one’s help for mentoring and defense, Nitricc the great; yes, if the toothless, good for nothing can have their own “TG” why not we the hagerawyan ኣርበኞች make our own “TG”? OK. It’s a conspiracy, something done between semere and saay to isolate this great man, a straight shooter, ንጸላእቱ ዘቃጽል በርበረ፡ ኣነ ኣብ መትከለይ ዝብል ጅግና (ቋንቋ ገድሊ), anyway, he does not need a help or a mentor and not from a good for nothing ሰናናትን ረጋፋት ስንን ተቃውሞ no way. SAAY7 stripped him of his right to publish his works regularly, why? well we know the reason behind it. That’s because Semere the toothless and confused opposition is conspiring behind the curtain with out Gadi’s knowledge just the same way the hgdf bosses are known for. And then they tell us they are for democracy and conspire to unseat the gerat PIA! Huh. It is a ploy used to strip out his inalienable right to chase and weed out those dis-respectable dishonorable and ungrateful good for nothing toothless opposition; he will get a way to get them, though. He knows Eritrea is greater than PIA or hgdf; his heart is with his people, bleeding to death. He’s sweating like hell every night; drinking gallons of water, going to the toilet every hour. For what? Of course, inorder to see that the good for nothing opposition do not set a foot in Eritrea. Lately, he has made baseball games his favorite pass time hobby. Saba, of course, is there for him, he will keep counting on Amanuel Hidrat, Ali-S ….and teg/Mahmud too, no question about it. So, why is all this roars of celebration for the defeat of Nitricc, No, nitricc is here to stay. Deal with him Semere.

      • Semere Andom

        Selam Teg Wedi Saleh:
        “Eref eba belini” 🙂
        “Kancha tmesil kelashin keytihbo emo key rshneni”:-)
        Sem

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Semere: You need to declare cease fire on him and wave a white flag; next “ካብ ናቕፋን ፋሕን ብሌቓትን ዓራግን ዝመጽእ ፍሉይ ማይ ጨሎት እንተተሓጺብካን ወረቐት ጣዕሳ እንተመሊእካን ድሕንነትካ ክሕሎ እዩ” ይብሉ እቶም ዝምልከቶም ኣካላት።

  • ALI-S

    Selam Semere T,

    Thanks for the well written article and the emotional expression of frustration that we all share. I specially liked your very sensible call for all to support the constitution and to rise beyond the ill feelings of exclusion from the process. I also like your bold statement that most Eritreans (83% I guess) were part of the process and that only those who chose to be excluded had their wish respected. I do not agree but I like your courage. My disagreement is based on speculation and I am sure and others may have facts so do not take it seriously.

    I am sure you would agree with me that if the same incident of drafting say a new constitution was initiated, your would still be consistent in calling even those who would be excluded from the process to own the upcoming document. This is obviously not speculation as the 1997 Constitution is officially dead now. We are all grieving but “nay izgiher neger koynu”. The president has declared the intention to start a new process and some people will still be excluded and using your argument for the sake of consistency we would conclude that only those who wished to be excluded were excluded.

    I would say instead of wasting valuable time on reviving the dead that will never speak and focusing on controversies, let us be positive and take the president and PFDJ to account for their promise. Our focus should be to find ways where the upcoming constitution reflects our concerns and way of how to make sure they do not back on the promise and actually implement it this time. In the absence of invitation cards sent by PFDJ, I think opposition can play a key role in creating the conditions of pressure to bring issues and solutions to the table.

    What do you think?

    • Solomon Seyum

      Here is what I think this very moment? Oh Brother where art thou?
      More thoughts later. Good night.

  • Kemal Omar

    The 1997 “constitution” was Isayas made and Isayas owned, with due respect to the good Dr. Bereket. Isayas drafted it, ratified it, shelved it, froze it, and now canceled it. Anyone who thinks that the “constitution” was drafted, debated and ratified in the an atmosphere of democracy does not know what he is talking about. That “constitution” We the People never owned it then, or own it now, and big brother can do whatever he wants to do with it for all we care.. nothing good comes of higdef-land, not even the sorry 1997 “constitution .. at the minimum a “constitution” that does not affirm our official languages does not even worth the paper it is written on.. Let Isayas take it to the shiqaq for all we care .. Sorry Semere..

  • Berhan

    Selam Semer,
    The Eritrean constitution of 1997 was not ratified by the Eritrean people or their truly representative. Just because Isseyas said that he will draft new constitution doesn’t change the fact that the 1997 constitution was ratified by EPLF national assembly and the Eritrean people did not consented to it.

  • Serray

    Selam Semere,

    I agree with you about using the constitution to rally people around. The thing is, it has always been there for us to rally around but we waited until its near death to realize how valuable it has always been.

    But I have a question for you and it goes to the heart of why your idea is not going to fly: you refused to admit what it took to stop the constitution because, like most us, you are an accomplice to its death. You wrote, “A brief look at the chronology of the constitution drafting process will attest that the non-implementation of the Constitution has nothing to do with the 1998-2000 war with Ethiopia”. No, Semere, this needs a hard look because the war has everything to do with non-implementation of the constitution. The ONLY outcome of the war is the unconstitutional regime. Your reasoning that it was not implemented for a year before isaiasis ignited the war is flawed. It was not meant to be implemented two seconds after it was ratifiedIf; if I am not mistaken, the timetable for its implementation was around July 1998.

    You might ask why is it important that we admit our role in its death. Because the mindset that made us cheer a war with absolutely no proof of aggression on the other side; the mindset that made us evade its cause to this day despite a court decision (accepted by isaias himself) is the mindset that made you wash your hands and write the above sentence. Why is it important? Because the first step for an alcoholic to be cured is to admit he is an alcoholic. We helped kill the constitution when the drafters mindbogglingly left out the implementation date; we helped when the wimpy political oppositions rejected it from the get go and decided to solve our problem by hitching on enemy tanks and, the rest of us, helped when we refuse to connect the single act that made it possible for isaias to kill it. But most of all, we helped kill it when we still have people among us who made a hobby of criticizing it and we still have people who refuse to own their role in killing it. Why important? Because the mindset that help kill it is still with us un-admitted , unanalyzed and un-apologized and it will take one more bullet to resuscitate it. Remember, we are nation that you guys want us not to touch the incubator that gave us isaias and his regime.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Serray:
      As always on message. But I believe that nothing would have prevented DIA from killing an implemented constitution. He had too much power while as you said many of us either looked away,cheered his crimes from the get go The incubator that created him has numbed the thinking faculty of everyone. Look at us 54 years later what have we accomplished, except blood, torture and a bleak future.
      Let say the constitution was implemented, DIA would have still declared war and suspend it. It is mind boggling to see people dancing away on May 24 like there is not tomorrow for something that they have nothing to show for.
      Ghedli was slowly shredding the notion that it started to uphold and defend justice and rule of law. G-15 had a golden opportunity to transform the nation had they played they played their cards correctly. They have not learned their lesson, they wanted it both ways,keep DIA and establish rule of law, impossible endeavours that cannot co-exist
      Semere

      • Serray

        Selamat Semere A.

        Very true. In many ways we are like a guy who works 16 ours, allows his boss to cheat him and his friends squander what’s left.

        On isaias igniting the war and suspending the constitution, it is possible but very difficult to sell. Ghedli and the regime benefited from darkness and our association of all evil to ethiopia even when the source of evil was transparently other than ethiopia. As a nation, and I think as individuals, we are reluctant to take a toll how much we contributed to our own misery. This lack of self-analysis is going to be our undoing. Every year we are asked to celebrate a day that doesn’t make sense anymore; ever year we are asked to mourn our victims with their killers, many, including the victims, go along because they are afraid to be called by nasty names the regime and the opposition coin. What we always fail to ask is: who benefits by our silence, by our going along with whatever the regime and the semi-pfdj throw at us. Here is one question that drives me crazy: who benefits if we don’t tie badme to the constitution? Nine of ten opposition minded individuals deny this connection not because it is unreasonable, not because it doesn’t make sense, but because their role in it. They would rather search for excuses than accept a truth that will ultimately set them and the nation free.

        • Solomon Seyum

          Rather than “our undoing” “my undoing” would fit better. But then again, I have some target less round to shoot off by way of saying…
          How are you Serray?
          Ztegadel iyu zEiwet inte belnaka khe? In other words Tigadel dikha zelokha Hiji? Meaning, what IF tomorrow another in his or her time comes bye ans state that Serray gained FROM THE EVILS of his time. His gedli does only benefited him for he is evil. Mgidal is evil. I will not kgadel.
          Absolutely NONSENSE. You YGs and his apostles THINK you have an argument. And it may very well be an excellent argument. But that is JUST what it is. An argument.
          Long time since I have seen you Serray. Since 4.0 I think. Honestly the pressures of time allows me not to expand much energy on your prophets dire need of xxxxxxxxxx than any man in man kinds history that he is imparting on you guys as well. However, kab meTsana as well as the promise I have made to my friend, I figured I should nudge/ holla at you Serray. The promise to the fried is: Sure For Art’s sake I will check out his satire and his latter day apostles.

    • Saba

      Selam Serray,
      Do you have any evidence to your claim that DIA started badme war to prevent the implementation of the 1997 Constitution? I think the OUTCOME is not always the REASON WHY things happen. Here is a comparison: Assume that in my trip from Asmara to Keren to visit Mariam DaArit, i find a gold. In this trip the reason i traveled to keren is to visit mariam DeArit or to find the gold?

      Here is an excerpt from your reply to my last post:)

      • Serray

        Selam Saba,

        Wow, very realistic example. I mean, what happened to eritrea in the last 16 years is like taking a nice drive and finding gold. And then you top it all by asking for evidence. Would hand written notes between isaias and wuchu they will ignite a war with ethiopia to shelve the constitution do?

        Compare my argument that the only outcome of badme is a dark regime that enslaves its young and rules brutally without constitution and the rule of law to your “I think the OUTCOME is not always the REASON WHY things happen”. A woman is walking with a gold stolen from your house last week and you are defending the woman in court by telling the judge “the fact that your gold is around her neck doesn’t prove she stole it”. Sometimes I think you people forget eritrea is a nation inhabited by human beings. In the court of law, when a crime is committed, the first question is “who benefits from the crime?”. The only beneficiaries of badme are the regime and its corrupt, brutal, human trafficking military officials.

        Tell me, what kind of evidence are you looking for?

  • L.T

    To Tes or Tesfaldet;
    I konw your fears when I write about how we think about our Eritrea and this is not optional but is a must and when we say”We love you Eritrea”in which we organize ourselves to admonition us you may become dissatisfied,I do not need to manifest this or war against anyone that love Eritrea,it’s just so.There no hire me to do so and I did not judge that I stress my self to love Eritrea .It is not turbulent love Eritrea.My advice to you if you are Ethiopian ,I realize it is much needed ,much ,to sympathizers of your own a<nd she needs you in the collective targedy position she be now……

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Quotes of the day
    “We should not despair on the peaceful way and by peaceful I mean the least bloodshed and avoiding full blown civil war.” teg/ Semere Andom. Ali-S, there you have it.
    ” Does he have a toxicology report to call PIA Alcholic? ” Harbegna nitricc
    ” If diagnosed as alcoholic, shouldn’t patient information be confidential?” Hade smu kTqes zeydeleye.

    • L.T

      My favorite quate and want to share with you:…
      “let us work”Isaias when Jebha came to him in Hagaz and wants to kill him in 1978.
      “You are not salt or suger”Isaias when he was in th US in 1989 to Jebha
      “What shall we do with them when they hate Tigringa lanaguage though thes are Tigrigna ” Isaias when he was in US in 1993
      “Mom,I ‘m going to Eritrea and sacrifice my self then came back to you home”www.awate.com
      “We are just like we script engilsh?”www.awate.com when someone accuse those they are Ali Salim….

  • Solomon Seyum

    Semere,

    Was this the paper you presented in SA?
    Solomon

  • Beyan Negash

    Oh, mi, I must now call you ‘Sellye’ ( reference of endearment here)because not only did you take me to the memory lane in a most profound way, but you are using the late, legendary artist, Yemane, whose lyrics used to mesmerize my ear drums when I listened to them during the cassette days with my “walkman” – long before the CDs or the MP3s.

    I remember when a friend and I listened to the following song for the first time driving from the Bay Area back to Orange County, our tears could not stop rolling down our respective faces,lots and lots of tissues later, we had to remove it and replace it with a more cheerful songs.So, you’ve been sufficiently warned, at best, have tissues at hand if you decide to listen to it or be ready to spend a lot of time listening because that is what Yemane’s songs do to me. So, here goes it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kDduttOU7k&feature=player_detailpage#t=51

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0XJ9oHTB-M

    • Hayat Adem

      He is a legendary artist totally devoted to bigger messages and mostly about glorifying his people first. Baria was also about peace and fraternity. Do you guys remember his neSela mendeQ song and the lyrics in it?
      ነጸላ መንደቕ- ስግር ቤትና፣
      ተተኺላ ቈጽሊ ሰላም ኣብ ጐረቤትና…
      I miss him!
      Hayat

  • Solomon Seyum
  • Solomon Seyum

    Ngus Fedai zeyfedi HnioU wedi Adgi and amHarelca. Lets begin from HU Howard University Dr.

    Bruh iyu wedi mebreQue Howthorne

    Soweto Nakfa Alternating curent Sea waves convert capacity coil Direct Current.

    Magnitude Altitude Intro Buffalo Soldier Dr,

    Delay Selam kab mejemera Abu Ashera

    Speech… Welid Keren TsaEdatu 16 Binary How many powers men kemana kemakh Zemach

    Tederer HinquilHinquilitay Meseret Smerrrr Smerreouat Fidel
    Quedamot GTmi Zelewuna
    9tedemero Asert PRime Time + 4
    RebiHu Bezihu wala ente TegemTele About Face U-your Turn
    Zneberkua && && A77 Aserte ArbaEte Demr kilte ANT SSUE
    S=D DiDuE
    TsinTia Words matter AboU Temeles…. NeAkha Hito Abogado TebeQua HanaTs Higi
    Mesreti MeseraTYYYY
    Hito nay mnTay Hito 97!!!!Demir 1 97 Fenkil

    WoooOOOO Anbesa Hiji Khe Nabey belUa BeliWa leke
    Gual SaHiley TEgaDalit Ikhi ab DifaE msAkhi ySiHiQui MseaKhi Tsawet
    Higi Ha Aei Hizbawi GnbaRRRR smrrrrrrrrrSmerrrrrrrrrrr HAritnet Eritrea

    HAfash Ywedeb bzible, mblaE mblAE, Amesa Adina y ewe zbEina bleAyo

    Tebeges

    AmEritrean Giant / AmERitrrean GiTsaTse / d Hayka habene DmTsi Hafash

    Hilet Sudan Teseney. QuelaTsimka ZrgiH TsibaH A ros Rose is A Rose by aNY oTHER NAME
    Found your foundation/Constitution from Oh Captain My Captain King Fisher
    No other
    Asata nay BaHri Fiestakhum Akbiru from the Alchemist Paulos Andelusian Plain the PA
    system drop the mike make it visiual
    TsinTsuai Mengedi Adina Tikh Zbele wedi Akoy Tsilimay

    Kab TsaTse G. iti Humangous

    AmERiGiTsaTse DemiQua we WerihHi…. Key Red Shib Rose RRRRRRRRRRR Smmmmmmrerrrrr!

  • Solomon Seyum

    Can I state that you are right yet maintain the conjunction aAnd maintain the of disagreement?

  • Semere Andom

    Haunted by the crimes from his past

    On Independence day DIA mentions his next cast

    After denying all the ghosts who came accusing

    All the prisoners and the blood on his hands gushing

    Even the ghost of the constitution came inculpating

    Its dusty pages were denunciating

    The latest ghost was Dejen, who met DIA in Dejen

    The Dejen exposed the crimes in the heart of Asmara

    Yes in the heart of Asmara “Shuker” , Asmara Bela

    Truth and only the truth and no scintilla of vendetta

    In the heart of Asmara torture is not letting-up

    Even after the time of Derg was up

    Ghosts of the future, will possibly be the cheering hands

    Dead President talking

    Dead people clapping

    How can the dead breath life?

    A constitution created by the dead

    Cannot enshrine life and liberty for a living country

    And a people destined for eternity

    The “Cyber Opposition” did not expect DIA to conduct himself wiser

    His fans were clapping, but were woozier

    23 years of head blows rendered them dippier

    Sem Andom

    • Solomon Seyum

      Sem A what you SPIT is Legit
      I will Advertise IT
      Start from the E for Excellence
      The P not PIT of Darkness but Light
      You have the Right
      Do you See the Lighy?
      Vai Biyaaaaa PIA DiA Carmediam Kulu ym fi besel
      Besele beAl Asel
      Don’t qunstion it Stay true to The Nine Engin
      + 7???
      Liberate don’t Hybernate — Alternate TRANCEND
      Thre ThE GMBARRER FRONT SmeRRRRRRRRRR Dejen MbegesiT SaHilna

    • Beyan Negash

      Such a prolific guy you are. Oh, mi, I must now call you ‘Sellye’ ( reference of endearment here)because not only did you take me to the memory lane in a most profound way, but you are using the late, legendary artist, Yemane, whose lyrics used to mesmerize my ear drums when I listened to them during the cassette days with my “walkman” – long before the CDs or the MP3s.

      I remember when a friend and I listened to the following song for the first time driving from the Bay Area back to Orange County, our tears could not stop rolling down our respective faces,lots and lots of tissues later, we had to remove it and replace it with a more cheerful songs.So, you’ve been sufficiently warned, at best, have tissues at hand if you decide to listen to it or be ready to spend a lot of time listening because that is what Yemane’s songs do to me. So, here goes it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kDduttOU7k&feature=player_detailpage#t=51

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0XJ9oHTB-M

      • Beyan Negash

        Sorry Semere, the response was meant to Solomon. My apologies for such a blunder.

        Sincerely,
        Beyan

      • Solomon Seyum

        MerHaba Beyan,

        This is like when REVOLUTIONARIES, say Nicaragua when they fenkiled Samotha for example, pre Sandanistas that is, or any others they empty their clips pointing forty to seventy degrees, forgive the hyperbole… WE WILL SETTLE DOWN. No worries

        Solomon.

  • Nitricc

    People ask me what is my all time favorite sport and with out hasitation I will tell them Baseball. I truly love baseball than any other sports, yes even more than football.
    So,last week I was reading USA today and I read an article about the Cleveland Indians how they have build their team around the logic of Money ball. Based on the movie titles money ball.
    I was very interested to watch the game the next day which they were playing the Detriot lions. It was very close game and the Indians were hitting on 13 innings and the bases were loaded. I was watching the game interestingly and all of a sadden the Indians won the game. There was no hit, no battering the hitter, no walk; just the game ended. I was confused to no end. More confused than ever, I am waiting for the explanation while the Indians were celebrating. Then here comes the enlightenment, obviously there was a rule called ” balk-up” which I have never heard it,I have never witnessed it,it just happend and I was mr knows it all when it comes baseball. That hamble experiance made me to question my self what do I reall know for sure? I dig in and look deeply at my being and question what I believe what I know.
    You may sitting there and say to your self what is your point Nitricc?
    The moral of the story is this.
    The writer told you on his on words
    About the president of Eritrea how the man Alcholic and all that bull carp I am not welling to reapit it.
    The auther has told you he is the best history major in the USA, he was so good he was retained by the toothless school. History ; why do I get allergic to anything but the word history?
    Okay let’s go back to history;
    I wonder what the writer of this article was doing when the 70 years old Alcholic was staying up all night guiding and planing the next attack ?
    I wonder what this historian at that toothless was doing when PIA was leading the greatest Gedli ever exist?
    I wonder what what this writer was doing when the 70 years alcoholic was giving his life , his youth and everything he has got for what he believed?
    Well, I could be wrong and I could be ignorant as same as the the Balk- up rule but why do I have this feeling this wanna be historian was rehearsing his lies to the immigration officer of the white man just to be a true slave. That is the truth.
    I happy for you people you got here by deceiving every freaking white man who ever interviewed you. I am , gongragualtions. But can we be decent and respectful about what we say about other people?
    This man, Semere T had written good article for the most part
    But why go cheep and dirty to bring down PIA? It was a good take but he spoiled it by luluwing on his own article.
    Why do I have a feeling he is a religious ? Religion will do that to you. I mean the worst combination is bing historian and a religious.
    If you don’t trust me; read the article and read between the lines.
    I am not bing cheep or disrespectful but being real. It could have been good article if he had left the personal attack and the cheep shoot.
    Does he have a toxicology report to call PIA Alcholic?
    Pleaese provide us if not you are.

    • Haqi

      Nictric
      I love baseball too but you are not hardcore if you’ve never heard that rule. it’s when the picher is trying to cheat. baseball is over a hundred years old but you will see something you’ve never seen before from time to time.

      You asked if seemed has toxicology test kkkk, we have dozens and dozens do eye witness’s who will tell that isu loves his black label wiskey kkkkkk. I didn’t see anything wrong with calling a spade a spade

      • Nitricc

        Haqi frankly u
        I was ashamed for not knowing that you know what? Balk-up? Never knew out it.
        The reason I brought it up is just tell that people I don’t jack. I am just being myself. What I am trying to say is i suck.
        Nice to hear from you Haqi. Don’t worry I will let have it when your fat slap Your head couch screwed it up. Your g
        Draft was disastrous.

    • Solomon Seyum

      Why is Baseball your favorite all time sport? Is it because Nine Bases And one makes the Dime Piece perfect American game? Or Abu Ashera jemar Sewra Gaba Temri barka Gobo Adal? Eske Nitric Acid What is your base or basis? What did you think of the Bomber? What was your first thought of Eritrea or the first thought you were cognizant COGNI from recognition ZZZZZZZZ TsaTse. Was it Nitric, shrinking to fit in a distant object smaller than it is or faster relative if it is stagnant? Tigrigna diKha Anes Hawka wedi Barka Abay Kunama iye.

      Yo Nitric, How are the Indians gonna play the Lions? Who is the greatest running back 22 Emit Smith yards wise 9′ forty five degree angle. Bear Chi Town?
      Impossible for a Lion Vs Bears Not #34?
      Whacha talking about Willis????/
      TsaTse

      • Solomon Seyum

        Chira Feres….Chira Nebri DTown Detroit Tigers FOOOOL!

        NA Nitric Acid = Not Aplicable To my name is Insigni Fic Ant Insignificant Irrelevant Not Applicable. Ezi WedHana.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear tes

    • Solomon Seyum

      Eritrea is young? Standard deviation ??? Percentile? Is this a Gama function> no, Lambda… Bell curve Not start from the MEAN or MODE? Total population = 5,254,000. Eritrea is middle aged? Eritrea is Old? 2.5+58.4+99.4+.6= 100.
      Why is this data relevant? Close to 2/5th or kilte Himishit are under the voting age? What is the voting age OR is it if you are old enough to fight for your country you are old enough to hand out @#endaSwa? SAWA!
      Sorry dude. Analytically speaking I am trying to make sense with regards to the constitution the relevance you your raw data?
      Holla Back. With due respect. Thanks.

  • Rodab

    Press Statement
    John Kerry
    Secretary of State
    Washington, DC
    May 27, 2014

    On behalf of the American people, I welcome the opportunity to send my warmest wishes to the people of Eritrea on the 23rd anniversary of your independence which took place May 24. Know that the government and people of the United States stand beside you in your continued search for the promise of a free, prosperous, and democratic Eritrea.

    —————————

    Press Statement
    John Kerry
    Secretary of State
    Washington, DC
    May 27, 2014

    On behalf of the government and the people of the United States, I send my best wishes to the government and people of Ethiopia as you celebrate your national day on May 28.

    It was a great pleasure to return to Addis Ababa earlier this month and see first-hand examples of the longstanding partnership between the United States and Ethiopia.
    …………….

    Source: State.gov

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Semere T.

    It is beyond my current available knowledge to comment well enough for the challenging points you mentioned above. Hope, everyone will empower or nullify your argument.

    But. let me put also my argument against your numeric value, the 83%.

    You wrote, “…but the injustice committed against them should not be a license to
    categorically reject a national document where about 83% of Eritreans
    proudly participated.”

    Let’s see the significance of 83% in terms of numbers.

    If about 83% Eritreans participated in the constitution making process. Mind you, 99.83% of Eritreans said YES for Independent Eritrea. Then, why only 83%? For every 100 Eritreans, only 83 people participated. Where are the 17 Eritreans? According to UN report, Eritrean population was reported to be 3.213 million (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Eritrea), then, 17%*3,213,000 = 546,210 did not participate in the process.

    546,210 people did not participate in the constitution process.

    In the contrary,

    99.805% of the entire Eritrean population said YES for independence.

    Note: During the 1993 Eritrean referendum only, 1,100,260 people participated. Not 100%, let’s be careful here. Actually, total Eritrean population by that time was between 3,158.000(1990) and 3.213,000 (1995). If we take the 1995 data (3,213,000), assume 50% of the population is above 18% by that time, and hence 1,606,500 could have participated.

    But, 1,606,500-1,100,260 = 506,240 people who were above 18 years age did not participate (they were actually did not, I don’t know why?)

    This being the fact, then, 1,098,114 (99.805%) people voted for YES. Ok, for obvious reasons, not the entire people can participate, but even in the most popular referendum approximately more than half a million did not participated. But, we are proud to say that more than 99.8% of the Eritreans said YES to independence.

    Same also holds true for the constitution aprticipants. If we take (being positive is good), 50% of the entire people are able to talk on constitution and debate. Assuming this as fact, only 1,606,500 got a chance to debate and participate in the process. And out of this, 83% participated. i.e. only 1,33,395 people participated. this is what you have noted in your paper.

    Out of the able participants, 273,105 people did not got a chance to inject their views.

    And let’s see the page of current youth exodus,

    Within this 10-14 years, according to UNHCR report, more than 300,000, mostly youths (which comprises 50% of the entire population (lets take 5 Million to be the population, then, it will be 12% of the 50%, 2,500,000) Eritreans flee from their beloved home. And we are crying for this exodus, aren’t you? If we are crying for justice now because of this human exodus, injustice and torture, so was in the 1997 constitution, as 17% of the 50% of people aged above 18 years were not able to voice their say.

    In conclusion, the 1997 constitution was against justice though it was meant for justice.

    Therefore, the 1997 constitution does not even belong to the entire Eritrean people. Let the contents be scrutinized by the people themselves.

    Hawka
    tes

    * Assumptions weer done based on approximations.
    *If there is any calculation error, please correct me, stay focused on the logic.

    Quick references:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean_independence_referendum,_1993
    http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/eritrea_statistics.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Observer_Mission_to_Verify_the_Referendum_in_Eritrea

  • Haqi

    The self elected el presidente was lying to fool the Eritrean people both inside and out. he is world class liar and famous for contradicting himself as well as his groupies. I heard his speech and I simply laughed.
    on many of his interview he told the Eritrean people we dont need a piece of paper called constitution so why the u turn now; he must’ve been reading Ali articles. It will be another empty promise. isaias and constitution is like oil and water.

    let’s not panic folks. the people constitution will be valid forever. He is on his way to join wuchu hence let his mambo Jambo for his groupies not us. Ignore the despot.

    • Nitricc

      Go to bed Haqi : – )

  • SA

    Thank you so much for presenting a well-argued case and bringing clarity to commotion surrounding the dictator’s one sentence proclamation about constitution drafting. After I read saay’s analysis about the same issue and the corresponding comments, I was honestly confused about what people were arguing about. Like Beyan Negash, I made fun of the dictator’s announcement, but of course, making fun of the dictator may not be the most effective strategy in defeating the regime’s agenda. Now that the dictator has made his move, the opposition can not afford to be either passive or simply condemning the dictator’s announcement. In my opinion, we in the opposition – irrespective of the reservations we had about the 1997 constitution – do not have another better strategy than what Semere H. has proposed here. If we are to win the PR battle against the regime and also bring some of its supporters into our side, we have to rally behind the 1997 constitution.
    I hope that those who work in crafting the opposition’s message will heed Semere H.’s strategy, and without wasting time come up with a potent message that discredits the dictator’s announcement and rally the Eritrean people behind the original 1997 constitution. This should be a PR battle we ought to win easily because the regime simply does not have a good and convincing case for drafting a new constitution. After all, this was a regime that was declaring as recently as a year ago (through Yemane Ghebreab) that the 1997 constitution was valid. So let’s not waste time here debating about this and that constitution, and instead have a unified message that we stand behind the 1997 constitution.

  • obviously

    Dear Forum Participants,
    May I say the obvious? The opposition, which is almost entirely based outside of the country (yes all of you) is not in a position to do anything about the constitution at all. You have no leverage. Am I saying the obvious here?
    It’s fine to debate the merits of the ’97 document vs. the future one but at the end of the day, what is that you are going to do about it? You can huff and puff but when push comes to shove there is not thing you can do about it. Furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, most of you are outside of the country so it’s not like you are going to be governed by Eritrea’s constitution. You are going to continue to be governed by the US, German, Swiss, Italian, Canadian, Saudi Arabian, Kuwaiti, Australian…etc. The point is, It is for the people that are living inside Eritrea not for the diaspora.
    The people living inside Eritrea will get to participate in this process and let them judge it whether it is fit for them.

    • Serray

      Obvious,

      Lets see if this is also obvious to you. By all measures eritrea is going downhill because of badme. But resolving badme depends 100 percent on the ethiopians; the eritrean regime has zero power to influence the ethiopians or the world. Which one is worth it, the opposition fighting for justice from afar or the regime destroying the country for something it has no power to change?

      • haileTG

        hey Serray and Obvious,

        Actually, Obvious’ point is actually a paradox that that is based on a fallacy just like any other paradox. the Eritrean diaspora’s relationship with their homeland would be based in that constitution. What happens to their family and relatives would be decided by that constitution. Their role in nation building would be governed by that constitution and most and above all the crimes of the regime would be offset by the massive collaboration of the diaspora (by helping our family we are augmenting hgdef’s slavery pay scale, give hgdef the means to brutalize and continue the misery of our people). So, the diaspora is as much closely linked to this process as any. Obvious is most likely hgdef and knowing it can continue the massacre of our people at home and is trying to withdraw citizenship birth rights from diaspora.

  • L.T

    To awate
    This is where it happens in the inner harbor..Awate..some bit of people exected that these windows will build on and develop space for politic,mor culutre,knowledge and creativity with new,vibrant settlement,but in live all that was first here is greatly displeased and disappeared and I with..Ok ,I draw but I have question for you then I leave you for good.is awate prepare for my most difficult quastion.
    To awate
    Are you Eritreans if you are real ,you stand on Eritrean interest,why do you focus only on the bad news about Eritrea,why you left something up on a person ..Isaias,what you earned on making possibly for certain services to Weyane,are you loyal and do you fell confident with weyane workers here on awate,ahy you let them practice here to offend Eritreans people,most of which are and write here are those same people with different names and about you?so know I know you’ve never operate the contribution in Eritrea and for Eritrea and the question goes straight why you jump on Eritreans who have done much..? I’m done but came later with other issues..

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear L.T,

      You need a psychological treatments. Your preconceived comment here will be nothing but an image of your inner disturbance.

      Take 10 minutes pls from your time to visit your inner self.

      Hawka
      tes

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET5b6snVBY0

    • Solomon Seyum

      Lawrence Taylor short for L.T. Giant with Phil Simms. Ring jingle the bells.
      DaYimen Awatista Ratify ’97 WE STAND TOGETHER. From the Right conservatively TRULY yours Liberal Liberated Left.
      Ali n HAfash!!!! The good news is WE WANT IT RATIFIED.
      You used the word VIBRANT the Vibe
      That I heard through Grape Vines is:
      Rant if you link. Minus the R
      Land on ANT!!!
      TsaTse
      DaYimen Awatista!
      Awet n Hafash! EPLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • haileTG

    Selamat Semere T H

    Well-argued and explained analysis of the current situation (the same as saay did yesterday). I know that it is not enviable thing to do at time, when Eritreans as a whole are badly demoralized, to point to some bitter
    truths. But, again, it is hard to avoid doing so because of our special propensity (as people – at least the vocal ones) to live in denial otherwise.

    IA said something during his speech besides ye fiyel weTe’Te to bellittle the resistance from the Eritrean people. He also said key xewaEkayo abet, keyle’AK’kayo nabey (sayTerut abet, saylkut wedet or saying here am I without being called and asking “where to” without being directed). For an Eritrean today, to believe that they have the right to choose
    which piece of paper should be used to chart the future of the country is laughable. All Eritreans in Eritrea including all tegadelti serving the regime are enslaved subjects. Those who don’t want to be enslaved (tegadelti and civilians) are constantly on the run, crossing the wilderness and some being eaten by wild beasts on the way.

    – Eritreans were discharged of employment they were given by Ethiopian rulers until the dergue time, their pensions terminated and rehired again with no rise, only on stipend of 700 or 900 nakfa depending if you do ma’etot and no pension rights. This being current levels from 400 nakfa over decade and half ago, to get an idea, a kilo of red beef costs 250 nakfa hence a 700 nakfa guy can’t get 3kg meat using a month’s pay (they live with remittance and other dubious dealings and prostitution for women)

    – They were banned from importing/exporting, engaging in any business and investment, even handling in hard currency

    – They were banned from legally going and coming to the country

    – They were banned from enjoying an internationally recognized higher education (even the med school was made to cut its external ties)

    – those in diaspora were shown the ignorant that they are by being asked to only send money in the black market exchange and banning them to send any other items or money to their people other than cereals, rice and oil as well as limited clothing items through shipping containers.

    – Most Eritreans who served in the struggle and unshackled their slave chains by running away were even denied the right to be buried.

    – Most Eritrean women in Eritrea, aged 16 and above, routinely work as prostitutes in Asmara (please verify this by those over there, it is a disturbing and large scale issue where tens of thousands of young girls are engaged in)

    – Eritrean life is the most worthless life to the regime. Those who die off in deserts and seas and overseas detentions are not even worth its mention and captives that it lost in conflict and arrested by other countries (like the journalist picked up by Ethiopian security in Nairobi) are dumped like trash.

    – In Eritrea the regime can arrest, torture, rape to its heart’s delight. The tegadelti serving it are slaves themselves, and only incensed if they find their ration has dwindled or such like. They have no conceptualization of rights, society or nation building. Most admitted (Gen Wuchu, Maj. Gen Habteselasie..) that they had no clue when they joined ghedli. Ghedli itself didn’t have any opportunity for individuals to grow in knowledge and worldview except in arrogance, bitterness and cruelty.

    – Eritrea, with its failed, fraud and fake ways, didn’t built a single shopping mall in 23 years of independent existence. The people dig dirt day in day out and its intellectuals (by and large) are not upto the task of helping the masses to undertand their objective situation and abandoned them quietly.

    To now turn around and believe that somebody out there gives a damn to what kind of paper Eritreans wish to push their days of slavery from dawn to dusk is laughable.

    Take the woyane/TPLF for example. They not only lifted up their own region and Ethiopia as a whole from massive poverty, but are growing older and retiring with huge significance and respect among their people and country. We like or not they have transformed their nation as a whole and made Ethiopians to feel better on the whole even if they have long to go. What would the legacy of an Eritrean tegadalay be when the dust settles? Abay argien E’yawuta hiza T’xedif.. (a foolish mother sheep would lead herself and her lambs to jump off a cliff).

    Regards

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Semere HT and Haile TG:
      It is amazing how the dictator dictates the conversations, he mentions constitution in passing once in his speech and we are gung-ho in analysing and comparing the 1997 vs the future Isaias constitution, we predict, prophesize and conjecture in a vacuum, a vacuum that will be created after the inevitable expiry of the dictator.
      Although the ultimate goal of our struggle ought to be for the implementation of rule of law, the immediate crisis is worse than the lack of rule of law. Eritreans have not seen this humiliation and bellicose undertakings to break their humanity. The wailing and cries of women and men in the heart of Asmara will be an enduring testament of the PFDJ’s shameful past, present and future that will lastingly etched in the hearts of every Eritrean, except the supporters, who demand more suffering. We are in the cusp of collapse and the deliberate engineering of somalization of Eritrea is slowly taking root
      Any constitution, even one that Nitricc authors during his lunch breaks will make Eritrea better than what it is today, that is why many of us think that with all its flaws, nauseating and exclusionary properties, the 1997 document can be a good start, but this is also talking in the vacuum. You mention of how Rhode Island did not participate in the three phases of the constitution, not only that but the giants like Ben Franklin and many others hated it, yet voted for it and then worked in earnest for amendments.
      When you said no citizen was exclude individually it sounded like what EPLF/PFDJ was trying to do after independence inviting leaders individually and not collectively repressing their organization. Constitution making is partly “interest making”, what wherewithal does a single person have to affect changes in the document without the current of collective interest.
      Although Dr. Bereket is rightly criticized in his role in EPLF and in drafting the document he cannot be possibly blamed for not implementing it, Isaias bought time until he consolidated his power from scratch
      Although the life of our people is “worthless”, this “worthless” life is lucrative business for PFDJ, it sends young girls to Juba to “work in the hotels”, a euphuism for prostitution. I will not be surprised if we find out that PFDJ was running a network of bawdy houses inside Asmara too.
      There are 10,000 political prisoners guarded mostly by former freedom fighters Eritreans and we have not seen any single en mass freeing of prisoners. Apparently the past heroism, selflessness and courage is not transferable skill when it comes to brutality perpetuated by your own.
      Sem

      • saay7

        iTegadalai Sem:

        The thing we have to focus on Isaias is for things that he does that are dictatorial and not things he does that are standard politics 1.0. Here’s what I mean:

        1. In any country, democracy or totalitarianism, it is the head of state that sets the agenda. In the US, it is called “bully pulpit.” A lot of pundits like to say that so-and-so is not relevant, or he has lost the moral authority, but if somebody’s name is preceded by “president”, he remains relevant because he has the power to kill and deny liberty.

        2. In 1994, Isaias did what any politician with a HUGE POLITICAL CAPITAL would do: he embarked on a project that reflect his values: the 1997 constitution. Whether a politician achieves this political capital because he received a huge electoral mandate in a blow-out election, or whether the politician achieved the political capital because he presided over an organization that delivered on a 50-year dream is a technicality.

        What is amazing about the 1997 constitution is not that it was exclusive (what people focus on, which is hardly surprising giving the blowout mandate of the EPLF), but that it is inconceivable now, in 2014, for the following:

        (a) an executive committee that includes 2 members of the ELF (that is 20%); 2 members who worked for the Eritrean Relief Association (that is 20%), 1 member who worked for an NGO (10%);

        (b) an executive committee that advocated the values of civil liberties as expressed in the EPLF program of 1987* and the PFDJ charter of 1994**.

        (c) Only one member of the EC was a hard-core Statist, and he happens to be former member of the ELF and Saghem.

        Different era, that’s why I feel we (civil libertarians) sneaked one in:)

        saay

        * “Protect the democratic rights of freedom of speech, the press, assembly, worship and
        peaceful demonstration as well as the right of nationalist political parties and nationalist
        associations of workers, peasants, women, students, youth and professionals.” EPLF National Political Programme of 1987, 1D

        ** “On the basis of a constitution, to strive to uphold basic human and political rights, which include freedom of faith and of the press, the right to political organization, peaceful demonstration, information, work and education, freedom from fear and suppression and equality under the law.” – PFDJ 1994 National Charter, II.1.

        • Solomon Seyum

          Saay,

          “Not relevant” as in a sitting duck but still is on the “bully pulpit.” I know you are right #1

          Standing on the shoulders of giants with the dream = Political Capital… Mandated, is the thought of perhaps a “bully” pulpit possessing. #2

          2a: 91 + blowout + 7.2 Nearly a hundred percent capital???

          There is an interview where IA states AyTeraTerin/highly doubt.

          #2aa Ten years later + 2 @2014 your claim is IT is impossible now to be inclusive given the conditions. Hence…. Trench town rock or warfare…I said I remember when we used to SIT —– “WHEN IT WAS INCLUSIVE” Valid argument!

          2a. You lost me on this point 50% Half the story the other FIVE four executive body +ERA,ELF 1NGO??? 5 remaining?

          2b. The other 50% KaliAy wedibawi gubaAie… Nay lomi wedibawi gubaAie…Selam beHAbera 94 Salsay. Hamsa kab MiEti. 10

          Here you have IT:

          * “Protect the democratic rights of freedom of speech, the press, assembly, worship and
          peaceful demonstration as well as the right of nationalist political parties and nationalist
          associations of workers, peasants, women, students, youth and professionals.” EPLF National Political Programme of 1987, 1D

          ** “On the basis of a constitution, to strive to uphold basic human and political rights, which include freedom of faith and of the press, the right to political organization, peaceful demonstration, information, work and education, freedom from fear and suppression and equality under the law.” – PFDJ 1994 National Charter, II.1.

    • saay7

      Haile The Gr8:

      The part that is missing from your posts is the “ergo…” part. All these terrible things have happened, and are happening, and are likely to continue happening…unless?

      Those of us who are pushing for the 1997 Constitution are not doing it (at least I am not) because the people who are enduring all these problems (Hafash) are demanding for that particular document. I am doing it because it is the one that can rally the change agents in Eritrea.

      If you want to make a call that resonates with the people, it would be (some of you may want to tune in to the Weather Channel to see if hell has frozen over because I agree with YG on something): End National Service Now! But, Haile the gr8, we are beyond making calls now; we are beyond lamenting; we are in the Let’s Do Something stage. Somebody has to end national service, right? We have moved beyond the what; we are now into the who. And that’s what you have been coy about. You are great and you will remain great but, at the rate you are going, Hanti tsurura kt’QnTeb ikha 🙂

      saay

      • Jo

        Selamat Saleh,

        I hear and read people calling to end national service, but no body seems to talk in how to do it. I don’t think demobilization is an easy task, let alone for a country with limited resources and professionals to deal with he aftermath, even for countries like the USA with all their resources and know how with enough man power was not easy to deal with it after the Vietnam war: I think, it is suffice to say that the psychological, physical and financial fallout lingers till today. I think it is easy to call for demobilization, but it is another to integrate and support the demobilized without the necessary infrastructure. Imagine these are young people who are trained to kill. How do we deal with that?

        Luwam zelewo leiti!!

        • saay7

          Selamat Jo:

          I had written about this when we were discussing the International Crisis Group (ICG) and Disarmament, Demobilization and Reintegration (DDR) of our youth. You are absolutely right: it will require massive amounts of money, Bisha money, IMF/World Bank loans, high indebtedness, Eritreans buying bonds, donations, the works. And here we have two constants:

          1. This must be done, the sooner the better. Delay means more Eritrean youth, by the tens of thousands, leaving their country and, if past exile patterns continue, never to return home (notwithstanding Isaias claim that they are gone on a picnic), and those who remain having their entire lives wasted away and/or at some point exploding in a rage.

          2. We have to have a government that recognizes it’s urgency. Since you brought up the US, Americas involvement in Vietnam: the US was in Vietnam for 12 years and it withdrew due to public pressure. It withdrew from Iraq due to public pressure. Public sentiment often complains about Afghanistan being the longest war. My point is that even super-rich countries like the US sometimes accept terms that are not their first choice. What is lacking with the Eritrean regime is any flexibility in the face of ugly realities: mass exodus of people. The fantasy world it has accepted, that things will change any minute now in Ethiopia, cannot be used as a basis for a policy. You can’t stand in the middle of a storm and say “but the weatherman told me it would be a sunny day!” which is what I hear whenever it talks about guarantors to EEBC. Rain happens.

          saay

      • haileTG

        Hey saay,

        ናይ ጸላም-ቡስጣ (blackmail) መልእኽትኻ በጺሑኒ። Thank you for giving me the opportunity to feel what the “innocent wing” of PFDJ official feels like. I chose silence, “ንመን ኢለ ድኣ ሓደ ጽሩራ ከጥፍእ? ሰብ ሎሚ ድማ ለኽባጥ እዩ፡ ናይ ነብሰይ ምሕሳብ ትሕሸኒ” ብምባል። 🙂 Then a “confused” and “toothless” opposition appeared in the name of Ato Solomon Seyum (ASS for short) and I got the courage to claim my entitlement, as an ex-great, to be the future great.

        Recently, I was talking ፖለቲካ ናይ ዓዲ with a friend of a friend. Bless him, he told us ፖለቲካ ከምዘይፈቱ፡ yet also told us that the conflict in South Sudan was triggered when US energy companies told Machar that if he takes over government, then they will give him a better deal. Hence, according to the non-political friend of a friend, Machar ignited an an ethnic based conflict and when Kirr went to negotiate peace to Ethiopia, well, the non-political friend of my friend, stated that the Ethiopians (in cahoots with CIA) entrapped him and made him sign with threat of arrest (as Kirr said himself) or even death (as the non-political friend of a friend added). To give you a context, the guy has major educational deficit (never went beyond junior school), can’t follow the cyber information presented in English and is regime sympathizer.

        Now then saay, when you say that we are beyond the “what is happening” stage, it appears to me that the horse has come of its cart and has now left the cart (still thinking it is actually pulling it). The Eritreans in the diaspora have dangerous lack of awareness of the situation of Eritrea. A wrongful information is popularized in social gatherings, events and other meeting places through word of mouth. We are no where near being in the “what is happening” part let alone beyond (I mean the real “WE” not just “we” as in me and my toothless friends). Enter an Eritrean event venue where world politics is the topic, the Doctor who knows all the dirty deeds of the regime is silent (staring into walls and open spaces) and guys like the one above dominate the air space to make a pitch for hgdef argument why they got us into the current mess. Eritrean diaspora are badly mislead and the opposition is now in the business of trying to curb expressions of the objective reality, that actually needs to be given more coverage and creative ways to defuse it into the heartland of the mislead diaspora that knows their nation under hgdef is a pariah but say ኤሜሪካ እንታይ ግበሩ እዮም ዝብሉና ዘለዉ።

        Saay, throwing support behind the “innocent wing” of PFDJ is a simple thing to do if I am after expediency, at the price of the genuine unshackling of our people from the bondage of fear and denial. I can do business with Mesfun Hagos, because 1) he is no longer PFDJ 2) he is ex-tegadalay and current justice seeker 3) he is an Eritrean I would be forced to accept with great sadness and sense of defeat if Mesfin Hagos was to be forced in me as 1) reformed PFDJ 2) tegadalay 3) Eritrean Simply because it is beyond my capacity to countenance the prospect seeing anything other than RED with the four letters PFDJ. Many of our youth perished senselessly toescape from enslavement by “PFDJ companies”, the very association of the name with the killings of my brothers and sisters is extremely disturbing to me, let alone to contemplate what they could do to me.

        Let me declare something with 100% certainty that I can call for total support of the regime and total war on justice seekers and get my way with the PFDJ in an instant. It is a bad deal for me to take them in the way they are proposed. The acid test of any change for me is the degree one is willing to demonstrate the highest level of respect to the dignity of the Eritrean people. And that is why I am in support of whatever is needed to be done to humiliate their tormentor and make them declare FULL VICTORY. If that would risk prolonging suffering by 10,000 years and risking our being wiped out of the face of the earth, let it. Because, we get what we deserve.

        The unilateral ceasefire being called from calling the total dismantling of PFDJ and symbolic demolition of its HQ in Asmara (with public observatory facilities and BBQ & refreshments for all after the viewing session) may be is done for worthy reasons that I haven’t grasped fully yet. However, I would welcome all of the ex-PFDJ (innocent wing) members of different political organization any time. But to tell me they wish to resurrect PFDJ on the back of our untold misery, let death do us apart 🙂

        cheers

        PS: I wanted to intersperse my observation on Tsigereda’s comment here with this. But decided to write a separate one for her.

        • saay7

          Haile the gr8:

          Crystal clear now: mission: to punish our tormentors (identity of tormentors available upon request.) Deadline: 10,000 years. Expense: whatever it takes, including extinction.

          What’s the famous line attributed to an American officer in Vietnam : “we had to destroy the village to save it.”

          I think you misunderstood me when I said that “we” are past the description of reality and into planning to change reality. By “we” I am talking about the opposition. The “non/political friend of a friend” you described is not the one I consider a change agent. (But if I am at a coffee shop, he is my favorite Eritrean because he is quite entertaining and begins every sentence with kla gdefena bejakha!)

          saay

          • haileTG

            Hi saay ኣንታ፡ ዓርኩ፡ ክንሰማማዕ ዘይንሰማማዕ ግዳ 🙂

            There is the peculiar observation that I note always, where I have NEVER EVER seen two Eritreans with opposing views yielding ground to each other (even preferring to make a 2 men organization instead), I implore you for both of us to set a precedent.

            What would you say if I propose that we accept the innocent wing of PFDJ (yielding ground to you), in exchange that they renounce the name and organization of PFDJ out of recognition to the humiliation we went through under that banner : kubanyatat hgdef, banka hgdef, xeT’ta hgdef…. (yielding ground to us) Or are you going to insist we swallow our pride, give in or pick up arms if we are men enough?

            Peacefully yours :-),

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            I accept; let’s shake hands on it. PFDJ = please forget democracy and justice. 🙂
            It was the first organization that didn’t have “Eritrea” in its name which, I think, is an unwritten law.

            saay

          • haileTG

            A deal then 🙂 Thank God for the break through, the first in the history of Eritrean politics: Compromise 🙂

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            Khoreka tseMeE ayneberkan ember, I made that offer a long time ago, eko:) so what shall we call it, People’s Front:) ?

            saay

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear hailat Tg and Saay7,

            Compromise is good as far as there is no meaning change, you compromise on the things that you don’t agree. But here, saay, you came with new meaning, PFDJ = please forget Democracy and Justice, is that what you are compromising for, by changing the name?

            why you said please?, why forget?

            PFDJ is a system that created all the misers that you two are fighting for decades which I am always proud of you my big brothers. Don’t compromise for this brutal system.

            If compromise is a must between you too, let the members of this brutal regime be forgiven, but “WEED OUT THE SYSTEM.” There should not be a compromise on the system. The members, it depends, but I personally can compromise, for whose above 65, to stay with their ideology and leave the office peacefully. ANd for the YPFJITES, Formating them completely. This was what happened in the eastern Europe. For example, I am living in Romania these days. Th old generation is still with his communist system. I can see in every walks of my daily life. But since the system is completely weed-out, the new generation is having a new mindset. The mindset which is free of communist ideology.

            let’s not compromise on the principle that we are fighting for, kets compromise of the humanitarian justice. We don’t need to be brutal as they are with us. let’s show them respect and show them how the court works. None of them has seen what a court system is and how it works. what they know is the halewa sewra *the underground and the fluy bet frdi (Special court). Let’s weed-out these systems.

            hawkum
            tes

            *I am always delighted with your high level debate and keep on inspiring us.
            * Amanule H, make my day always happy as usual.

          • saay7

            Selamat Tes:

            1. Please Forget Democracy and Justice is what PFDJ stands for, wrote one of my favorite authors 12 years ago. I was quoting him.

            2. Hmmm, you are saying I compromise too much and Emma is saying I don’t compromise at all. I add the two together and I think u two are saying that I compromise too much with people who don’t compromise. Or something.

            3. The “no retreat! No surrender!” soldier mentality has given us a “principled opposition” that uses its principle as a cover for its paralysis, and an Eritrean regime (no retreat on Badme! It’s a matter of principle!”) that has designed a national atrophy. It’s a war of attrition and each side it’s winning. The Isaias regime says that the opposition doesn’t exist and those that do have committed treason (iziom! Ms Weyane zedmeyuna!) and the Oppo says that the PFDJ (lock, stock and barrel) should not be negotiated with but routed. I find both arguments unpersuasive and unworkable.

            4. The 1997 Constitution has no room for Revolutionary Guard or Special Court, unless I missed an article. Could you point it out for me?

            5. As Tzegereda said yesterday, reconciliation had to factor in this. The slogan of this website is Inform, Inspire, Embolden, Reconcile. There is no asterisk after reconcile. There is no fine print which says “void where prohibited.”

            saay

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saay,

            You are right that you have compromised too much by accepting PFDJ-DIA, this is my say. PFDJ or PFDJ-DIA is nothing but the same. The problem I see is, you are focusing too much on the personality of the members. And we see the system that embraces these personalities.

            If am not mistaken, when Emma was saying you don’t compromise, according to his recent reply to you, I understood that he compromised to accept the 1997 constitution with modifications that for example he mentioned in his comment. May be, Emma had rejected the whole document before but after debate and further insights he accepted as a constitution that need change. (Sorry Emma if I miss understood you) and many more compromised could be as you have been together for a while.

            Let me tell you this brother Saay, in the Social School of PFDJ in Nakfa, there is one full lesson (module) about constitution. Musa Naib was responsible to teach that course (he is one of the commission members) and Zemhret Yohannes is also there but he didn’t teach about it. The module talks about the constitution in general and the power that is bestowed on it. He teaches the constitution as a complete but yet unimplemented document. It is rare to hear any of the students to ask about the implementation process as what they teach is all for what they want, not what it should be. I am not surprised about their rejection now (as they even rejected the basic theme of the Eritrean revolution, to be INDEPENDENT and FREE) but it is shame for them to keep this paper in their shelf for such long time.

            Concerning me, I reject PFDJ and so the thing done under their guidance. In my previous cool comment, Jo, SA and Amanuel tried to lecture me and share me an article written here on awate.com (which I read before) telling me that not only EPLF/PFDJ members but individuals from ELF also participated, let the principal author Dr. Bereket be as an academician and expert and Dr. Seyoum, an expert on legal aspect and who spent years working for Haileslassie be a father, expert and as external but born Eritrean participants. Having this at the top and influencial figures in the drafting process, among the 150 members, 75 were members of EPLF/PFDJ. 50% are PFDJ members. Imagine now how influential they were.

            Article 1(1): Eritrea is a sovereign and independent State founded on the principles of democracy, social justice and the rule of law.

            Point: Social Justice

            Article 8(1): The State shall strive to create opportunities to ensure the fulfillment of citizens’ rights to social justice and economic development and to fulfil their material and spiritual needs

            Point: Social Justice
            These are some pf the points that I want to mention for the time being. And Social Justice is an ideology that the aaPFDJ is saying he follows (Ato Ahferom Tewelde’s teachings). These articles are not under economic, social articles. They are the guiding principles. Remember though, I am not saying Social Justice is bad, what I am saying is Social Justice is PFDJ’S ideology. Another proof for the PFDJ influence during the constitution process can be observed on a tried Yemane Gebreab’s interference. If that is so, the document is contaminated too.

            If I reject PFDJ system, I reject any connected with him. No compromise here.

            Concerning you (4th) point, yes, there is no such rooms. And, I didn’t say also it has. What I said was, the members know what they gone through, the revolutionary guard, Underground prison and torture centers and as unlimited court decision that was done by the special court. This is what they know. Their leader is omnipotent and omnipresent. They worship him and the court resides within his office. hence, they can not accept any power taken from their leader, the DIA. oh remember, PFDJ never thought for the coming generations.

            Hawka
            tes

            Refernces:
            1. http://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/Framing%20the%20State/Chapter3_Framing.pdf
            2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

          • haileTG

            hey tes

            I see what you say brother but note this: if you refuse to acknowledge the distinction between the PFDJ the organization (and what it was used to do – crimes) and the actual people who made up the body mass of the organization and might have been well meaning and never committed any of the crimes, then they would say you are going after people, discouraging them from moving to change the system and essentially setting up a road block to trap them with a regime they don’t agree with. We have no problem with the people in PFDJ, but its organized being is responsible for much bigger crimes that has turned Eritreans away from their country, abused the people to the point of no dignity what so ever and is directly linked to heinous acts of political, economic and social crippling of the nation. The dismantling of the entity and recognizing many file and ranks may have been decent people but too overpowered to do anything, may be a fine move to compromise on. To tell Eritreans that an organization called PFDJ will be in power, without IA, is equally an affront to the basic dignity of the Eritrean people and that is why I am desperately trying to get saay to see the dangerous nature of having PFDJ in an organized form as it existed so far. we can work with, say, The Eritrean conservative party (that has many ex-hgdef in it) but Reformed- PFDJ (RPFDJ) is a big no no and I hope ayegagyunan yKonu, y’aKla eba eza hager!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear haile TG,

            I don’t see any difference between what I said and what you are saying. May be I said no clearly. But, your lines are very complimentary with mine.

            Hawka
            tes

          • haileTG

            Selam saay,

            aha…it is a good start but I thought the deal fell through when I asked for clarification back then 🙂
            All I am saying is that there are ex-ESAPA in the current Ethiopian politics (including the defunct kinijit), but no ESEPA. Could you imagine ESEPA that is (by implication and association) regarded together with red terror, hawzien bombing, dergue liquidations… would have garnered popular support? PFDJ is already in the minds of Eritreans a part and parcel of the current suffering. Many say “I am not a card carrying member of PFDJ but….” when they take the side against the opposition. IA himself knows that and never pushes PFDJ that much. Among Eritrean diaspora, to support the regime is normal but if someone is a known member of hgdef they are tacitly distanced from (akin to dehninet of Mengistu era). So, as long as we are on the same page on such realistic objective that hgdef (as an organization is doomed), I am totally against singling out individuals without due process. In fact they should be encouraged to utilize their EPLF credentials to organize and lead a different form of political party. EPLF is seen like a mother of independence by many Eritreans. PFDJ is a horrible wushima and later became a step-mom that indulged in seeing Eritreans suffer like hell. Incidentally, all artistic products by justice seekers embodies PFDJ as the center of all miseries.

            What we should call the new one is a different issue. I can’t overstep the actual people who would directly be the subject of this change and they should name it. Great people like me know when to say something is beyond their capacity to decide on. Otherwise, I would lose my title for acting in a typical PFDJ hargafat style 🙂

          • saay7

            Hi Haile the Gr8:

            As a former friend of People’s Front (FFPF), I am authorizing myself to negotiate on behalf* of People’s Front (they are smart: they never say PFDJ) the terms for lasting peace. If you are willing to negotiate on behalf of Weed’em Out String’em on a Pole (wosop!), we can have proxy discussions. Here’s their 5-point peace plan:

            1. We do not to be remembered as the people who gave you Isaiasism; we want to be remembered as the people who removed him. Removing tyrants is our core-competence, please let us lead it. It’s our last mission. We want to use the only good thing the PFDJ created since it’s founding, the Constitution, for that purpose.

            2. Please don’t ask for transparency and detailed plans. Democratic coups are conducted in secret.

            3. Call us People’s Front for Eritrean Renaissance (Renaissance for short.) you thought we were going to say People’s Front for short, didn’t you? If that’s not acceptable, suggest a name. We are reasonable.

            4. Please tell your side to be reasonable and not scare us half to death. We are in our 60s and things like Islamic Jihad give us heart attacks. Can’t you tell the Red Sea Afar Democratic Organization to add an E before their name? Even DMLEK has that.

            5. After the coup, we really are tired we want to retire. We have been working 12 hour days 7 days a week. We need a pension plan. We also need a rule of law so your Tsefar elements don’t come at us vigilante style. We need a new Club Mar Roso to play cards and tell each other stories from our glory days. We have even selected a building (please don’t blow it up.) And we need front seat tickets to Independence Day parades.

            We come in peace. Take us to your leader.

            * as a 14 year Oppo, I am also comfortable reversing roles and negotiating on behalf of some of them if u will take the FFPF role.

            saay

          • tafla

            “4. Please tell your side to be reasonable and not scare us half to death. We are in our 60s and things like Islamic Jihad give us heart attacks. Can’t you tell the Red Sea Afar Democratic Organization to add an E before their name?”

            Does Islamic Jihad and tribal war represent your side?

          • haileTG

            Hello saay, you sure drive hard bargain 🙂 anyway , you’ve come to the right person here, I will draw a 5 point plan based on what you ask but would attempt to offer even more than what you ask for. We need your cooperation to finalize the deal (again drawn up with the goal of exceeding your expectations) so that we can help you to properly appreciate the true greatness of the people that your side has so far wronged terribly.

            1 – We will re-align your history to the glorious history of the epic bravery of the Eritrean people that is encapsulated in Ghedli’s history. We will also acknowledge and recognize your role as part of the final milestone of the Eritrean people to break the yoke of oppression an declare freedom at last!

            2 – We will create podiums for you to inspire courage and fortitude. You lack credibility to keep promise and we’ll support you when we see it. The people know your working in secret to mean doing nothing so te’laelu knhgzekum.

            3 – We will call you people. That way it is to rehabilitate you into the civilian life as fellow citizens with EQUAL standing. This would also facilitate your psychological healing from your manic highs in thinking there is something special about you, when we really don’t wish to go there again (your specials has nothing to envy)

            4 – Please refrain from making demands, it would improve your tarnished image a whole lot more. You must live with the prospect of the Eritrean people (you included) being in full charge of their destiny with full dignity.

            5 – Your benefit package must be much bigger than you ask for, your material and good will entitlement should rightly transfer to your children too, your martyred and disabled comrades should also be compensated through relative and family plan. World class health, education and social packages and other measures would be assured. Forget the building, the site would be turned into memorial park to tens of thousands of Eritrean victims of you colleagues. We advise you not to stand against the decent thing to do in honor of the innocent fallen victims.

            cheers

          • saay7

            Haile the Gr8:

            Nicely done! But even before we started the negotiations koblilka:) I am not asking you to speak on behalf of the Silent Majority; I asked you to speak on behalf of your version of Oppo, which is Weed’em Out String’em on a Pole (woosap!)

            Then you did the “you are not in any position to make demands” which is the exact opposite of this thing we are doing (enkan haban). Your enka is a tip (more benefits!) but there is nothing, (absolutely nothing ?) that the oppo does that you would like (even in our proxy negotiation) to give up? I hope you are not doing that endless waga Edaga, vegetable vendor style when I am going straight for the bottom line.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Saay,

            You wrote, “weed’em Out, String’em on a Pole.”

            For the record, I am a proponent of Weed’it out, the PFDJ structure not “them” which implies those who are carrying cards forced on them by the PFDJ that needs to be weeded out. I have not seen the “String’em On a Pole” part.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            Your “weed’em out” is very tame. It has been hijacked by Haile The gr8 “Weed’em out, string’em on a pole” because on apocalyptic days (of which he is having many lately) he takes on the role of Jerry Falwell and says that Eritreans sins are so many blood has to be shed; we must fight even if we have all to be exterminated, even if it takes 10,000 years…That’s why we took one of the stars from his lapel:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hi saay

            ኣንታ እዘን ጽሩራ ትሸጠን ከይትህሉ ደኣኒ? ብሓደ ኣፊቱ! ቁልብ ቁልብ እኮ ኣበልካየን…ወይ ጉድ! Here is a glossary to assist with terminologies, often thrown in a stand alone (without “what I mean is”)

            – Demolish the PFDJ HQ: a symbolic act that would assure Eritreans that the huge emotional and psychological distress they live under has come to an end. The location is then reserved to an attractive, peaceful and serene public memorial to the victims of the horror years of PFDJ.

            – Let it take 10, 000 years: nothing can be more dangerous as taking up a known entity as PFDJ, that has no capacity to even defend itself and its ranks and plays dead while the Eritrean people have been decimated, on another round of empty promise that they have never had any experience on how to keep.

            – Regardless of the cost: let’s continue to pay all the price that we are paying right now to the point of finally losing it all. I have never seen a case of the party base of horrific dictatorships surviving the end of the era of that dictatorship. Why are we asked to go to such low level? Since the view in some quarters is that these party is the only available tool, we insist it dissolves itself as a party but act with their skill sets as individuals organized as new.

            keep this reference material in safe place 🙂

          • Bel

            “without “what I mean is”, huh? [Moderator: No “kkkkk” here please.]

            You are welcome. You see, some people never get it unless you slap them silly.

            But seriously, how long are you going to hold on to this “Ninty nine” I mean “Nine”, PS: “Point nine” explaining one thing, and then re explaining it with a totally different thing, with no shame, no loss of face ? (By the way Mengie, the Derg, used to do that. Never apologizes for a mistake or a slip of a tang, he just follows the mistake with “Malet” and replaces it with a totally different thing)

            I mean how confused and bottom-less can any one get?

          • Saleh Johar

            Ato Saay,
            That I am sure you and Haile will sort it out, I will stick to everything he said (and I said) as far as demolishing and erasing all the stains of the PFDJ as an institution, is concerned.

            Haile, can we leave the fence of the ” “arbeit macht frei” building? We will need it for the museum that will be built there 🙂

          • haileTG

            hmmmm….may I offer a humble advise? Since I suggested we hold a day in free Eritrea, where the public is invited to take up viewing seats or stands to watch a controlled demolition of PFDJ HQ (so that to symbolically demonstrate to the Eritrean people that they indeed have seen the end of that wretched entity), my friend saay spinned it as some sort of close quarter fighting inside Asmara (most likely in the scale of Homs) . So I now explain the full event schedule that include descriptions of refreshments and other treats to the public. It would be a happy day really, right? Eritreans would celebrate worldwide, hug each other and what have you to see the back of hgdef and having a fire works right up from the house of horrors would do the trick. So, may be you need to flesh out the “weed out”, to hammer home both the spirit and letter (መንፈስን ፊደልን) of your call 🙂

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            Funny, Hailat Gr8. But if you notice I didn’t include the famous demolishing of the PFDJ HQ in my list of Apocalyptic Haile:) It is the other fiery stuff which I can’t find neither menfes nor fidel not Castro that I listed.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile TG,

            May I suggest something? I can see you nodding.

            Just like the Berlin wall, why don’t we suggest the public to be part of the demolishing (if they would wait fora suggestion when the opportunity comes) and then every Eritrean can take a brick, a piece of concrete, anything to keep it as a souvenir for to remind the future generations what terrible times Eritreans went through under the PFDJ.

          • Araya

            Haile, so what are you doing to bring the change you are
            seeking cowardly? You want a complete change without any price paid from your
            side, right? Who do you want to die, just so, for you to see the change you desire? What a
            selfish soul. talk about hargaf, you are number one Hargaf. greedy.
            hirir da beli PFDJ for life.

          • haileTG

            woyanay araya, how was addis ababa…have they started the light rail transport yet?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            I don’t think our friend Saay believe on compromise. His argument stands for the powerful in his mind. He will tell you the PFDJ are the ones who brought the despot to power, and the PFDJ are who can remove him and have it the power. There is no other alternative. He talks about who should have the power not how justice will come. I will give you an example. As a compromising factor I took the constitution that he calls it “an inclusive document” that never was, to take on it a corrective action before it is implemented. He couldn’t go with it. So try on your side as the saying goes “edka nab Bahri Sendu terekebaka Assa hizka twezi’E Tese’Anka Tehazibka Twezi’E”. You don’t lose anything from trying.

            With respect,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Semere Andom

          Btsot Sal and HaileTG-1 🙂
          The notions that the never-ending national service is the greatest fixation of the Eritrean people is superficial. Some of us need not check the weather channel to see the Saay and YG intersection. It is built-in:)

          The Eritrean people did not say “ezom Amhara ykidu tray emo mot kem Adam, wela barnet bdeqi adina” during the Ghedli era. The Eritrean revolution was for dignity, justice and democracy as much as it was to reclaim both the bountiful and desolate land that rightly belonged to them when men, fate and nature conspired to make them Eritreans.
          If national service was 18 months long and the young were allowed to resume their normal life after finishing their nation obligation to reap the fruits of their labour, if Asmara university has remained open and all the citiies and villages were crowed with young people and PFDJ continued it political repression, I am sure there would have been an Eritrean Spring before the Arab Spring.

          The Eritrean yearning for justice, democracy and dignity was genetically woven into the waging of the armed struggle although they were repressed for the sake of liberating the land during the armed struggle. The future dictators took advantage of this. To miniaturize the half century dream for justice of our people to mere need of work, copulation, breeding, eating is the very Ghedli spin to full-fill its repression post Dergi.This asserssion fits YG belief of ghedl, that ghedli waged for acquiring new identity.

          Ghezae can enlighten us but the walls and washrooms at the University of Asmara as early as 1994 were filled with writing speaking to justice and democracy. The opposition were sneaking in literature to the student body and PFDJ would not have repressed and kept the university open and make national service, a true means to server the nations simultaneously.The 2001 University of Asmara defiance was the seedlings from the simmering youthful and innate characteristics of an enlightened youth. DIA’s generation did not have it worse than Eritrea’s students post-independence

          YG’s assertion that the slave labour of the national service is the main driving force for the people hating the regime is equally mendacious as to reducing the mission of ghedli to a one purpose toil of liberating the land. The quest for dignity, justice and human liberty cannot be stripped from the ghedli and cannot be stripped from the current Eritrean angst. The mass exodus of the youth can be explained by the protracted national services, but it is impossible to fathom that if national services was removed and the repression of freedom continued while the cities and towns teeming with the youth will make it easy for PFDJ to keep the unprecedented repression and torture.

          • saay7

            ITegadalai Sem:

            So on the rare ocassion that I and YG agree, it happens to be something we are wrong about? Well, stay tuned to the weather channel because now I have to defend YG. (I am sorry I have to do this to YG because he is going to have to disassociate himself now…)

            The mistake that we in the Opposition make is that if somebody left Eritrea then it must be because he disagrees with everything the regime does. The thing that we know for sure is only one: the agelglot hates the agelglot and wants out. And since the only way out is out of the country, we have the exodus.

            I am on record as saying that National Service, in principle, is a good concept so long as it’s for no more than 18 months, it is for adults (21 years plus) and there are waivers for specific reasons including conscientious objection. But for now, because it has been abused so massively and we need to stop the bleeding, we have to stop it immediately and embark on de-arming demobilization and reintegrating them into society. If I am a parent with 2-3 kids in the NS, I don’t want hear about your constitution, your free press. I would want to hear only about how prisoners will come out of jail and for all purposes the NS are prisoners. So why then am I talking about the 1997 constitution as a rallying point. Because it’s the only tool that the change agents in Eritrea can use to initiate the waterfall.

            saay

    • Solomon Seyum

      The Great,

      #1.Shouldn’t Ethiopia pay their pension? Or are you stating in cases of SPIN OFFS FAS88, along with the assets you acquire the liabilities of the previous Eriothia? I am speaking of mergers and acquisitions here. gAiga deA ykhliAley mber…Gains and losses financially speaking.
      #2. Ab sdet iye Abye mO… of the 52% greater than half age wise,, 41.6% are How is TG and acronym fit ?
      7.0 —>>>> 007 said welcome. I do disagree. nsemamaE keytesemamaEna.
      Solomon

  • Bayan Nagash

    Semere, welcome back home! I truly appreciate you balancing the scale of conversation, where there does not seem to be any consensus in the sociopolitical arena in Eritrean matters anymore. Where is that space between the hammer and the nail, the nuances of life, if you will, that makes for interesting political dialogue. We are so in haste to make conclusive statements that we forget about subtle matters. Thank you for reaching to the conclusion you have through such nuances.

    I may not agree with everything you outlined, but I sure appreciate your logical defense. What I do not get is why do people give weight to the imbecile in-chief’s comments, this seriously, please – he has neither possesses moral nor ethical integrity to run the country that he has been keeping hostage for the last twenty three years, yet, we in the opposition react to his venom as though it has any merit or imperative. He is a defunct leader who will come to pass as others before him, the only difference maybe that he may die of natural causes or by brute violence, the latter more likely than the former – either way one hopes it comes sooner than later.

    One thing I have noticed with Eritreans in Diaspora is that our compass and our priorities seem to be so out of line to a point of wasting our precious time debating about something that we can afford to wait and the things we shouldn’t wait upon we put in the back burner. It is rather frustrating to see such convoluted priorities at work while young men and women are perishing in the high seas.

    In line with your 13 year old niece, the man does not deserve adult response to what he stipulated about the constitution or any subject matter. Therefore, here is less than one minute clip that should have sufficed by way of response to the imbecile in chief, no more no less: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202648912398680

  • talke

    Dear Semere,
    I enjoyed your quality and timely analysis on the invalidation of the people’s constitution by the mad dog. No matter how long and whatever it takes the people’s constitution will remain people’s we the people own it and surely whatever constitution the mad dog writes will be thrown to garbage bin by the people.

  • TT Lon

    Hi Semere,

    As ever well written article (not only in form but also substance wise). The second thing is that you seem to be rightly furious and said the following about the mad man in Asmara:

    “a 70 year old, socially misfit, alcoholic who is not bounded by any sense of morality, decency, tradition and societal norms.”

    This mad man, as I have said in my comment to your previous article, is doing everything by design- this latest manoeuvre is a very clever tactical move to enable him buy more time to continue his intentional distraction of the country and annihilate its population.

    By now every sane Eritrean should have seen enough to conclude the fact that this man is there to continue his distraction until he achieves his final goal mentioned above. Therefore, the point I am trying to make is that we should not be angry at every outrageous moves he makes (and will continue to make in the near future until we take him out or GOD Finishes him off). We have to concentrate on what we can do to alleviate the dire situation the country is in and draw a strategy to shorten his life and save what little is left in Eritrea, before it is too late. Otherwise, if we are to waste our energy and time at what this mad man says and does, it is going to be a waste of our invaluable time which should have been spent on how to remove this man and his system from our beloved country.

    God bless Eritrea and its people !!!!

    ….

  • Pappiilon

    ኣገናዕ ኣገናዕ ዝሓወይ! እቲ ኣብ ናይ ኩላትና ኣእምሮ ዘሎ ሓሳባትን ነጸብራቕን ተዛረብካ

    ሓፍትኻ

  • Well put Semere. Superb and timely argument. Standing for the implementation of the 1997 Constitution is, at the very least, the pragmatic thing to do.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Semere T.

    You are very welcomed again with this important call.

    hawka
    tes