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Time For Blunt Discussion On Region And Religion

[Note added on Jan. 12, 2015: we discovered today that the article that we translated below (red text) is almost fully plagiarized. We apologize]

On November 10, 2014, Saleh Johar wrote an article entitled “Crusaders” Branding Others “Islamists”. Subsequently, the English article was translated into Arabic and posted on several Eritrean websites. On Dec, 13, 2014, EriAdal TV from Sweden published a Youtube video of an interview it conducted with Saleh Johar, mainly centered around the topic of the above mentioned article. On December 31, 2014, the article that we are presenting to you below appeared, in Arabic, on farajat as a reaction to both the initial article and the EriAdal interview. The writer is objecting to Saleh’s rejection of national debate where, he believes, quoting religious narrations hinders dialogue.

Awate.com believes that Eritreans need to have dialogues between, and among, Eritrea’s social segments and population groups, and particularly within the Eritrean Muslim population because there is a challenge in discussing national, social and political issues without some using the Holy books and historical narrations as conversation-enders. We would like to embolden all Eritreans to discuss issues without fear. We encourage Muslims and Christians who have so far been intimidated by the puritans among us into silence, to speak up.

We have translated the Arabic article that appeared on farajat, and we are sharing the exchange with you because we see the wall of separation that exists between Tigrinya / English vs Arabic readers in the Eritrean political sphere, with negligible overlap in the conversations. We believe that those who attempt to break down the barrier by translating works from English to Arabic and Tigrinya are doing a great service to the inter-Eritrean debate, and we invite the rest to help in such tasks or simply join in the conversation.


Oh Judge*, Why Have You Ruled The Invalidity Of Islam In Our Life?
By: Mohammed Idris Genadela- Switzerland

Ustaz Saleh, we have appreciation and respect for you as a renowned Eritrean journalist and writer, and we applaud your past and present political and media role in the service of the Eritrean case; this is an area of specialty where you can excel and be creative. But shame on you to speak about a religion that you are ignorant of!

Dear brother, Ustaz Saleh, if you do not know [about something] do not speak [about it]; beware of speaking except about what you know. Beware of playing with speeches outside the boundaries in order to attract a crowd. Because, playing outside the boundaries will result in your expulsion from the game.

In your article and interview with Eri Adal Television you said, “we do not need a professor to correct our examination papers”, but you exceeded professorship and installed yourself as a judge over the entire Eritrean Muslim people who don’t agree with you [since] you want to impose a way of life for the people. Which one is greater, imposing a curricula and courses [for a way of life] or correcting examination papers?

What is wrong with you, people, how do you judge? Shame on you for wanting to forbid a behavior only to come with what is worse .

How do you assume the invalidity of religion in politics and state when religion is a way of life of human beings, which does not have a separate role independent of worship. And politics, in its simplest sense, is the caring for the affairs of the nation; in practice, the state exercises such care, internally and externally, through its official apparatus, and the people supervise the state through their properly elected legislative parliaments. Politics requires from the ruler to correctly manage the affairs of the country and the people; the ruler must have enough wisdom and common sense in what he intends to do or not do. This in turn requires skill, experience, and knowledge of what is required by the leaders and presidents, and the ability to exploit available capacity in an optimized manner to achieve political, security, and economic stability, and good management of state resources without excesses or negligence. Therefore, it is a must for a mature nation to take care of its policies. But to say that that Islam as a doctrine and law should be kept away from politics, at arm’s length, is a view imposed by Lucifer and it is a hallucination of secular extremists who hate Islam to the extent of prohibiting it.

Religion and politics in Islam are two inseparable things, never, and you have to contemplate on the approach of our kind prophet, may peace be upon him, during the time of the State of AlMedina AlMunewera.

Firstly: the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, was a successful political leader. After he freed the minds [of the people] from the restrictions of pagan worship, he established the Islamic State in the hearts of the people, and he established a leadership that led the Muslim community to build the world and to protect the religion.

In Mecca, he established the state of Islam in the hearts of his companions and followers, but in Al Medina, he founded his real state on the ground. When he, peace be upon him, arrived at Al Medina, he developed a document of a great legal and political importance, which today is called a constitution, and he defined the components of establishing a nation, he defined the nature of relationship between Muslims and other citizens, especially the Jews. And he organized the elements of power and sovereignty in the emerging state– all of this [was accomplished] early in history when [elsewhere] the elements of the state had not yet appeared. In that modern civil state, he transformed rival tribes, warring over water and grass and hay, into one nation and a strong state that has a constitution that defined its parameters.

Isn’t all of the above an authentic political action?

Has religion become an obstacle as you claim, and you are annoyed because of the mere mention of the narration of Bukhari and Muslim?

Secondly: the Prophet, peace be upon him, faced two major political problems; namely, the problem of multiplicity of Arab tribes, and their conflicts in many places, and the hostility of the Jews against him. He therefore carried out an important political undertaking, which is the bond [he created] between the immigrants who followed him in the migration from Mecca to Medina. This was a political approach that started the establishment of a strong and unified state, since it does not make sense to establish a state on the shoulders of a feuding and warring groups to prevent the tone of “We are one people, and you a different people” does not prevail. Today, this great political awareness that the master of messengers had is not found among specialists who spent half their age in the study of political science, though some would demand to kill half of the people so that the other half can live in peace and live in prosperity, that would not dwindle and would not be disrupted by any disruptor. What kind knowledge and awareness is that?

As for the Jews, he specified for them, in the Constitution, their rights and obligation.

Was the teaching of the religion, which you mock and flout, confined to the faculty of Shariaa?

Then, what is this audacity to God when you talk about developing a way of life for all the people, Muslims and non-Muslims, what have you left for God to do?

Third: The Prophet, peace be upon him, is the first who taught both humanity and politicians “the science of diplomatic dialogue.” And that is [represented by] his sending, may peace be upon him, letters to the kings and heads of neighboring countries: nearly two hundred messages, to the kings, chiefs and notables of the time. He selected ambassadors and diplomats carefully. Moreover, he assigned some of his companions, may Allah be pleased with them, only for that political task. Among them [was] Dahya AlKelbi whom he sent to Caesar, the emperor of the Romans; and Abdullah Bin-Hdzafa, whom he sent to Kisra, the King of Persia; and Omar Bin Ummeyah, to the Negashi, King of Abyssinia; and he sent Hatib Ibn Abi Balta’ah to Cyrus, King of Alexandria; as well as  Amr Ibn al-Aas AlSahmi, whom he sent to the King of Oman; and he sent Al-Alaa Bin Hadrami to the King of Bahrain; this demonstrates [his] outstanding political leadership that established social, economic, and administrative system that still represents the most robust system compared to the systems of the world.

Isn’t all of that purely a political act? Did religion hamper politics at that time? Or did religion cleanse politics from the wrath of the deadly clannishness and tribalism?

The enemies of Islam portray politics as if it contradicts the holy message of Islam, and this is a lie and defamation because the call of Islam was to make people worship the Lord of all and to liberate them from submission to any ruler who rules the people with the power of the sword, and not with the sword of the law and the constitution, that the nation enacted and agreed upon–the knowledge of political matters, and how nations and peoples are ruled, and how to dialogue with others, and how to manage international politics, and the relations between states and peoples with each other, is something that has to be known by the guardian of such a nation, assisted by an elected advisory and legislative councils.

Isn’t all of the above-mentioned a foundation from the foundations of politics in Islam?

What Ustaz Saleh Gadi is seeking through his meetings and writings is to disqualify Islam as a doctrine and law, and a way of life, banish it from daily life itself, as well as from politics, and for Islam to remain trapped in mosques and in the hearts of believers? This is an explicit call to “Christianize Islam”, or convert it to Christianity by completely removing if from the affairs of daily life. That way, he wants to separate Islam from politics so that politics remains in the hands of gamblers and adventurers who do not wake up from their intoxication until the time of darkness inside graves where there [awaits] exhibits and accountability.

Why this grudge and hate of Islam?

  1. Because religion prevents them from tyranny and unjustly controlling the fate of people.
  2. Because it stands between them and between their unlawful consuming people’s wealth.
  3. Because it prevents them from trading with the honor of the people, to spread immorality and vice.
  4. Because it prevents them from being different and privileged from the rest of people, and [Islam] treats them equally like all people.
  5. Because it makes them accountable to justice if they transgress, regardless of their positions of leadership, social or scientific, or struggle, because there is no immunity for any creature from crime in front of Islam; these rejectionists of the issue of religion in the state, perform the five daily prayers, give alms, and perform pilgrimage, and fast, and put on a garb of piety, but unfortunately that does not prevent them from distorting Islam and disabling its role in life.

What remains in this life after the exclusion of religion, doctrine, and Shari’a, and way of life? Is the role of [religious] scientists and scholars limited to speaking about the provisions of menstruation and postpartum, and what spoils ablution, and the etiquette of entering the toilet, and explain the amount of alms [that should be given] during Eid Al-Fitr, and the edicts regarding the [use] of fragrances, and torment of the grave?

Has the Islamic religion become a heavy burden on society which must encircle it and get rid of it? Must politics be left to murderers and criminals and the drunken? Is Islam just a religion and it has nothing to do with the affairs of daily life?

If politics is the handling of the affairs of a nation, and to ensure that their interests are protected, and to provide housing, food and drink; treatment and education of the citizen; if politics is war and peace, and the conclusion of treaties; if politics is industry, agriculture and trade; if politics is education and formation of political parties and charities; if politics is caring for the poor and building of hospitals, schools and universities, if politics is all of that and Islam has nothing to do with that, please inform us about your knowledge, of what is the kind of Islam that you want, oh dear “Judge” Saleh Johar?

* In Arabic, “Gadi” means a judge and the writer has used wordplay to derisively address Saleh Gadi Johar as “Oh Judge”.

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  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Guest,

    I have tried to give a sober answer by avoiding words that could irritate you. Unfortunately it couldn’t help to change your angry reaction. So let me try if questions could make you calm and focus on the issue. Tell me or show me any ideology other than “secularism” that respect the rights of all faiths in Eritrea? And show me or tell me any other than “market economy” that helps underdeveloped nations like ours. If you could please talk about “concepts” and their “applicability” that are helpful to our nation. My ears are open to hear and mind are open to learn from you if you have any in store. But again in order your messages to find traction in the open minds, avoid unnecessary languages that shackles or impede the path of transitory memory, to decode your messages as deemed. Let me see what you are up to.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • mohamed

    Dear

    I have listened to the interview of Saleh Johar with EriAdal TV and I found nothing wrong with it. I fully accept when our Christian brothers cross the line, we need to raise the issues which divide us rather being submissive. I do not want to be rated as a second citizen in my own country by accepting and not reacting to any body’s insult or abuse. We have tolerated for years, right from the time of Emperor Hailesellasie when our Christian brothers stood for Ethiopia and stopped every Muslim at every checkpoint for investigation calling as (Ata Aslamai, Ata Shahai, Ata Tigre Ata Denkel….) How many have perished due to their evil attitude and ignorance.
    Now Mohammed Idris Genadela you are preaching Islam which does not fit to what S.J wants to convey as a message.

    He is simply saying do not touch me or I will respond properly and proportionally. I fully back him for his stand and I will do the same if I am confronted with the same abuse, no matter how it ends.

    To be honest he does not also deserve your un provoked assault, but thanks for you lecture which might fit better in Masjid

    Cheers from UK

    • Hope

      Ahlen Brother Mohamed,
      I hear you and I share your internal emotional torture as I have been there; have done that and have seen that…
      As a disclamier,let me say something:
      I am an “Original Blin Speaking(aka Blenay) Lowlander but a Catholic Christian” with Muslim Cousins,Uncles,Aunts,Nephews,which should NOT surprise you.
      BTW,please say Hello to my best Buddy, Hamid Fadegha(“Hamid” but Catholic,who grew up with me, from London) you happen to know him.
      Mind you,I was was called as “Shehay,sehab Ghimel,Aslamay,etc—-specially after my own friends from the Highland(Akaleguzay)from the same Catholic Mission that we were living,saw my Mom looking like a Shehay due her “Muslim/Shehay style dressing”.I have experienced the worst discrimination by my own Catholic brothers simply coz I am a Blin Speaking Lowlander,without going into the details.Worst,this happened at the Heart of Keren/Senhit/Bogus at the back yard of Gobo (Mt) Lalimba,Et’abir,Lenshia,Tinkulahas,etc….
      The same stories or even ,worse ones could be narrated by our Ex-EPLF Freedom Fighters from keren/Lowland.I even heard Ex-EPLF Tegadelti telling me that they were forced to hide their origin coz for FEAR of discrimination.
      PIA told a Blin Speaking New recruit from the same AA(Former Haile Sillassie I Univ) to his face :
      -“Ni-bilenay biza’eba program nai Hizbawi Hailitat ket’emino kab mifitan,nezi emni bani eyu mibal yikelil”;meaning,roughly translated,”It would be much easier to convince someone very easily that a stone is a bread rather than trying to convince a Blin Speaking Eritrean about the PLF’s(Later EPLF) Program.
      OK.This is an OLD Eritrean Politics though.
      The reason, I respectfully disagree with you on this topic, is that,this arguement,perception,politics,etc–is a by gone and obsolete politics in the 21st Centuary Eritrea.
      In 2015,all Eritreans,all Eritrean Regions,all Religions,all Eritrean Segments of our Society and all walks of life are equally affected badly by the current system,and as such,our Struggle should be against the same system that is torturing all of us.
      To keep living in the past and with old grudges,resentment,etc–is BUT destructive and will expedite the collapse of the collasping Nation and people.
      There should NOT be a space for such kind of Divisive Politics.Plus,this kind of issues DO NOT exist now in the 21st Centuary Eritrea.The attitude and perceptionn might hang around but it will never be materialized –no way jose.

      • Hope

        Please read as:
        ” if you happen to know him(Hamid Fadegha from London”

  • mohamed

    Dear

    I have listened to the interview of Saleh Johar with EriAdal TV and I found nothing wrong with it. I fully accept when our Christian brothers cross the line, we need to raise the issues which divide us rather being submissive. I do not want to be rated as a second citizen in my own country by accepting and not reacting to any bodies insult or abuse. We have tolerated for years, right from the time of Emperor Hailesellasie when our Christian brothers stood for Ethiopia and stopped every Muslim at every checkpoint for investigation calling as (Ata Aslamai, Ata Shahai, Ata Tigre Ata Denkel….) How many have perished due to their evil attitude and ignorance.
    Now Mohammed Idris Genadela you are preaching Islam which does not fit to what S.J wants to convey as a message.

    He is simply saying do not touch me or I will respond properly and proportionally.

    To be honest he does not also deserve your un provoked assault, but thanks for you lecture which might fit better in Masjid

    Cheers from UK

  • Dear readers, we are very embarrassed to inform you that the Arabic article we translated above appears to be pligiarized almost entirely, with the exception of a few sentences which include the name of Saleh Gadi Johar. The Eritrean novelist Abubaker Kahal who discovered the plagiarism provided the links from which Idris Genadela’s plagiarized the content. It is obvious the writer was just parroting the plagiarized content. We are sorry for not doing due diligence on this one. Our apologies.

    Here is Mr. Abubaker Hahal’s message exposing the plagiarism: http://www.farajat.net/ar/32760

  • Abraham Hanibal

    It is neither IA nor Sawa that taught Eritreans of different religions to live in respect with each other. It is a fact that has been there for centuries, and is a rare gift in the world of today where people of differing faiths and ethnic groups are slaughtering each other. No matter how much you wish for the segregation of the Eritrean people, it would never happen as the people are much smarter and know very well what is good for them.

    • Guest

      You are right when you asserted that “the people are much smarter and know very well what is good for them,” , but you did not specify which people you are referring to. If you mean the Eritrean Kebessa Christians, who have been the primary beneficiaries in Eritrea, since the departure of the British administration of Eritrea, then you are absolutely right. Sure, they are smart enough to realize such a lopsided arrangement or polity has worked for their benefit. From Haileselasie’s rule to the current PFDJ regime, the Eritrean Christians have gained tremendously be it economical, political, social and what have you. The Eritrean Muslims, on the other hand, have not only lost on all those fields, but literally they have been reduced to a second class citizens starting from Haileselasie’s rule to the current regime in Eritrea. I will even go further and say that the Eritrean Kebessa Christians benefited from The Eritrean Revolution, which was essentially a Muslim Revolution, but was co-opted by Isaias and company, no thanks to the idiotic Muslim Secularists or Marxists, both in the ELF and EPLF. Yes, you are wondering how the Eritrean Christians benefited. You just need to look at the ones who have become the upper class, sort of Eritrea’s new millionaires. About 99% are Christians who used their Military or political powers to translate it to economic power. I can go and on and enumerate the litanies of examples that illustrate how the Eritrean Muslims are being robbed blind in broad daylight. Now, why would any self-respecting Muslim, or any fair-minded person for that matter, would want the continuation of this unjust, unfair and lopsided governance or polity that favors the Kebessa Christians and puts Eritrean Muslims in clear disadvantage. The Eritrean tyrant and the Eritrean oppositions groupings that claim to espouse a secularist political outlook, are two sides of the same coin simply because while PFDJ have not changed one bit to redress such brutal injustice and unfairness, the Eritrean Secular opposition grouping will do exactly what Isias and before him Haile Selasie did regarding this unfair governance. Now, why would any Eritrean Muslim want a political system that will put him/her in a clear disadvantage? Is it because some people like Abraham Hanibal has been spouting this clichéd and time-worn statements that ” Eritreans of different religions live in respect with each other”? Or, could it be that the “prophetic” Abraham Hanibal is predicting and foretelling that ” no matter how much you wish for the segregation of the Eritrean people, it would never happen”? How much one mouths his/her wishful thinking, the political trend in the Eritrean landscape is unambiguously indicating that The Eritrean Muslims will willy-nilly exercise their God given right to self-determination.

      • Abraham Hanibal

        There are some facts worth highlighting: Eritreans both Muslims and Christians and others have been victims of foreign colonization and occupation. All the people have suffered under the current PFDJ dictatorship; all people have struggled together to liberate Eritrea. It is undoubtely there was some sort of imbalance in the standards of living between the Christians and Muslims, especially those Muslims who used to live in the countryside. But one has to remember that one main reason for this imbalance is the way of life of the people: Muslims who used to live in the countrysides had a lifestyle largely dependent on nomadic life. This lifestyle had not allowed them to settle in certain places where they could educade their children and build their communities. After liberation, or even during the armed struggle, the Eritrean government has been striving to address this imbalance by building schools and health centers throughout the countryside. The government has been encouraging the parents to send their children to schools. I’m of the opinion these efforts have contributed in narrowing the gap between those who lived in the mainly Christian populated highlands and those in the mainly Muslim populated lowlands.
        At the end, I’m of the opinion that Eritrean Christians and Muslims would be better off by fighting the dictatorship together, and creating a united Eritrea, where they can enjoy equal opportunities, irrespective of their faith.

  • Berhan Beyan

    Andeberhan Welde Giorgis in his book page 283-284 says that
    “The parochial domestic politics of the leadership of the ELF and, as an extension, its external misrepresentation of Eritrea as an Arab and Moslem Country, germinated the seeds of its own destruction.”
    My question to you awatista is, did the ELF leadership presented Eritrea as Arab and Moslem Country?
    Andeberhan Book is full of reference, why can’t provide us a source of his claim that ELF leadership presented Eritrea as Arab and Moslem Country?
    What do you say?

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Berhan Beyan,

      It is all the dirty politics of EPLF to justify as to why they split from ELF organization as well as to alienate the organization from the christian highland. Let me give you some of their dirty politics I heard in Feb 1977 in the district of Zelema and how regionalist they were. Here is some of the disgusting utterance of EPLF’s tegadelti I heard: “Abotat Adetat Nehna Ina DeQekum.” And what were our fathers and brothers telling us in return when we came to give them a political orientation about the national democratic political program of ELF: “Merahtukum Indyom Aslam Koynom.” So Andebrhan is talking from the same play book of EPLF and nothing to do with the actual history of both organizations. Berhan, I would recommend you – what Meconnen Woldemichael a veteran of EPLF has written about the dirty political activity of Issayas and his colleagues at togoruba website. Go to their archives please. ELF had a national democratic political program since 1971, while EPLF haven’t had any organizational congress until 1977 right after the split of their organization ELF-PF. Keep in mind their name was Hizbawihailitat (ELF-PF) until they split from Sabe or vise versa. And we know what dirty politics did he play himself at the University of Asmara. So Andebrhan “a parochial regionalist” who was teaching parochial demostic politics can not accuse ELF of Parochial politics. For now read the link below and the rest you could go to the archives

      http://togoruba.org/togoruba1964/mainTogorubamap/mainMap/headingMap/2014A/2612MA4-01AT.pdf

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Hope

        Well,Wed memhir,
        You are crossing the redline besides insulting the Intelligence.
        Remember that there are plenty of Eye Witnesses here in the same forum you are bluffing in.
        It is a historical FACT that should be left for Historians.
        Plus,Dr Andeberhan admitted his mistakes and apologized.Did you or did ELF do so?
        His references are more than enough to justify his arguement.

        • Hope

          Addednum:
          Hint:Simple facts:
          Why was Mr Omer Jabir(RIP) a member of the Iraqi Baath Party?
          Why were only Eri Muslims selectively sent to Syria and Iraq by the same ELF you are defending?
          Again,I blame Beyan Negahs for bringing up this obsolete issue.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope, I think you are wrong.There are many Christians who were trained in Iraq. Ask your friends they will tell you so.

          • Hope

            Ustaz Saleh,
            All Rules have exceptions and that would be why very few Christains were allowed to go to Iraq.
            My arguement was to subtantiate that of Dr Andeberhan and to refute that of Amanuel Hidrat’s defensive posture,not about few exceptions.
            Again,it is a Faact but a Past history and both the ELF and the EPLF leaderships made mortalmistakes–like any Liberation movements and the only thingwe can do is :
            To learn from our past mistakes and do better for today and tomorrow.
            No need to regurgitate past issues and mistakes.
            Did U accept my APOLOGY BTW?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Hope,

          I don’t know how I miss your comment for two days. But what wrong doing did Andebrhan admit as his mistake and apologized for it publicly? Isn’t Nehnan Elamanan a declared “parochial political declaration”? Isn’t it “abotat adetat Nehna Ina DeQekum” a parochial regional utterance? Isn’t it the outcome of parochial political orientation of EPLF that reflected in the response of our fathers and brothers to humbly told us “Merahetukum Indiom Aslam Koynom”? This is a fact and from an eye witness position myself. Isn’t this sidling that was sown then, became now the great divide in our society? Those who have otherwise knowledge, let them bring it. Let the public know who were the regional parochial teachers of our ghedli. You see hope, you always talk without fact on your side. Help yourself to learn which you don’t know so far and that will make you wise on how to approach for solutions, if you are for solution in this forum.

          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Ok Aman,
            So you believe that you are the ONLY witness and the person of all knowledges.
            I admitted that both Fronts messed up.In Political World,no one is free from bias.
            As to the “Nehnan Elamanan,I read it ten times and from the then political atmosphere,attitude,and covert an dovert programs,I do NOT see any problem with it.The document,albeit biased,was based on facts and circumstantial evidence.
            You are talking about the Politics of 1960s and 70s,which is irrelevant in the 21st Centuary and that is why I concluded by saying:
            “Both the ELF and EPLF Leadership messed up but that is the PAST and let us learn from our past mistakes so as to do better today and tomorrow”.
            If you want to live in the past,kudos to you.
            The ELF Leadership commited a suicide and became a victim of its own mess and it let us down by destroying one of the Strongest Liberation Movements.
            It is a done deal…case closed.
            Dr Andeberhan has done his job,well done in fact.Are you jealous?Then if you have the gut and courage,do your job.
            Some people here challenged you to that effect by asking you as to why you or your ELF elites have NOT written a single book.
            Excuses,kemish adey hanquiluni,flip-flopping,changing positions and stands,Mihlela to our enemies,blaming others/the PFD/EPLF,etc–cannot be solutions to our problems.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hope,

            Still I am asking you what did Andebrhan apologized for? You told us he did. Otherwise you are making lies. Didn’t Andebrhan said ELF is a parochial organization? If Andebrhan accused ELF as Parochial organization in his book, don’t we have the right to respond to him? What good is good one to have a say against you, but not to have the right to respond to his accusation? Three things to you Hope (a) truth is not told by writing a book, it can be told by many alternative medium of communication (by interviews, by writing articles, by giving commentaries to a given documents), so don’t challenge me to write a book (b) Not all books authored are authentic in their contents and their sources and that is good hint for you (c) You accuse me many times a “stubborn” and now with “a flip-flopping”. At least I can’t be both. That shows you don’t know what you are talking. I wish you know your limits.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Mr Amanuel Hidrat:
            I said ” case closed”.No need of shenkolol and inkililo here.
            Call me any name under the SUN but you will never change historical FACTS.
            Please,samihanna we farighenna b’llahi.
            I ONLY reacted to your defensive posture, excuses and manipulations.I know you are an Ex-ELF but I am also—–etc—
            Deal directly with Dr Andeberhan and challenge him if you have the courage.I read his book,I know his persona and his unrefutable contribution for Eritrea….I learned from him and from his book.
            Teach me like him.
            Did he and his EPLFLeadership make mistakes/Can he make mistakes? Absolutely!
            Are you perfect?Can’t you make mistakes?Were your ELF and its corrupted leadership perfect?
            Heavens NO.No one but God is perfect.
            So,what is your point and all the inkililo here?
            We all have made mistakes and messed up and NO ONE is free and on the same token,NO ONE has a right to blame any one selectively.
            Hence:
            -Let us forget and forgive and sit down for a Genuine National Reconciliation!
            -All have sinned and all shall REPENT!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hope,
            Just for the record you “lie for the public” red handed, that you told us Andebrahan had apologized. I didn’t ask him for and apology and wouldn’t (do it) ask him for that matter. You brought yourself in your comment, and can’t tell us for what. You are not a serious man and you don’t know what you are talking. You are badly incoherent. I am sure no one will take you seriously for the nature of your demeanor. Good luck, and have a good one.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Aman,
            Do I care if any one here,including you, takes me seriously or not?
            If you read the book,you will find the answer.Read it and you will,for sure,learn something from it.and,who knows,it might encourage you to read a book about ELF and the “Parochial” EPLF Organization.
            Change your tactic and modus operandi,please.Childish pickiness,unconstructive arguement for the same arguement,your opportunistic EGO and futile defensive mechanisms will take you no where.
            Good luck with your Metaphysical and Delusional World as well.

          • Hope

            read as :”for the sake of arguement”.

          • Hope

            Read as:”It might encourage you to write a book about ELF—“

      • Berhan Beyan

        Selam Amanual,
        Thanks I will read the articles.

    • passer_by

      True. Listen the interview “yohannes -joker” had with Naz. He is passionate and tells like its is – unadulterated. He clearly spells that Jebha (ELF) was disintegrated and finally got demolished because of the ELF Leadership. Follow the whole interview patiently and you will know….
      The Guy hates Issias, ELF Leadership and even Sabe as power hungry individuals who never cared for the Eritrean People.
      They used the Eritrean cause to serve them. ( Awate rejected my initial reply to HOPE – aka truth seeker IMHO)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r246ts3g4M

  • Nitricc

    The Eritrean government addresses ISIS as Daesh, don’t they? I was wondering why Eri-Tv calls the ISIS, Daesh or something like that. well I know now. Oh boy I hope they don’t come after my country.

    “I absolutely refuse to refer to it by the title that it claims for itself [Islamic State], because I think this is a perversion of religion and a travesty of governance.”
    The terrorist organisation’s leaders have threatened to “cut out the tongues” of those who refer to them as Daesh, or DAIISH, according to international media reports.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/australian-pm-tony-abbott-has-taken-to-calling-isis-by-a-new-name-that-they-hate-2015-1#ixzz3Oe7QOY23

    • Saleh Johar

      I got you covered Nitricc: Daish is the Arabic acronym of “Al Dawlah AlIslamya fil Iraq wel Sham. Islamic State for Iraq and Sham (meaning Levelant as Syria is historically known).

      • Nitricc

        Thanks SJ you have the best character every Eritrean should have, you teach and explain things; thank you!

        • Hope

          Ash,ash,ash,Abshirka wed Sheik…
          Thank you Nephew Nittric.

  • Nitricc

    Hahaha, why ask me if you don’t want anything to know?
    Anyway, I will throw you a bone. In future Eritrea, the care taker of the state of Eritrea is the Army and I am going to lead the army. Simple; You see!

    • Guest

      What I see is that in Wedi-Afom’s fools paradise, as your people say ” Hade Ainu Nigus eyu… literally, a one-eyed person is indeed a king in Wedi-Afoms fools paradise of which Ato Nitric is a full-fledged member. Now do “you see”?

  • said

    I am amazed at the short and selective memory, the ever present sense of self-righteousness of the Western Polity especially at troubling and testing occasions as in the current horrendous massacre carried out by apparent by two brothers ,a fringe group recruits at the premises of the cartoonist publication of “Charlie Hebdo” in the heart of Paris, the Romantic City of Light. Some political analysts reckoned that the extent of the massacre is first of its kind ever since the end of the Occupation of Paris, the end of the Second World War Two, exactly 70 years ago. The Parisian and the French population in general remain, most understandably, in a state of shock that would only add to a sense of bewilderment bordering on questions of national identity, national security and simmering social tensions addressing a nagging problem of the assimilation of the large minorities adherent of predominately the Muslim faith finding their way, unapologetically, to the surface.

    The horror of the “Charlie Hebdo” cold-blooded slaughter of the cartoonists, journalists, staff and security guards appeared to shock to the core not solely the French population across all its strata and affiliations, but the whole of the Western world as the first long-feared product of the return to their adopted countries of naturalized European tiny fringe group Jihadist recruits. The “Charlie Hebdo” incident will prove a turning point in the Western countries’ resolve on the promotion and of the enactment of stringent laws in dealing with outlowed fringe group the disconcerting and deeply troubling problems of the treatment of European recruits now they started returning home from the battle grounds in Syria, and Iraq.

    Notwithstanding the genuine seismic and repelling effects the “Charlie Hebdo” is having on the whole of the Western World as the story is still continuing to unfold, the irony and tragedy of the situation is compounded by the self-righteous statements of denials finding their way through the corridors of power of the Western Polity expressing anger and disavowal of such inhuman and most uncivilized act. Sadly, and never justifiably, the horrors of the “Charlie Hebdo” is the miniscule, unfortunately brought home, of the far more tragic daily happening in the Arab and Islamic countries that the Western polity’s alleged trampling in such affairs cannot be all that totally overlooked or exonerated.

    Viewing broader reality from the optic of objectivity, the very fallibility of mortals irrespective of ethnicity, race, color, levels of education and cultural sophistication, mortals’ capacity at violence, perpetration of injustices and susceptibility to self-righteousness to justifying wrong deeds knows no limit.

    Struck me in the midst of the first hours of the commitment of the mass murder in cold blood at “Charlie Hebdo” a statement by the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, reminding the world that it is civilized France, the “First Democracy” in Europe that this most uncivilized horrible act of terror is being carried out against.

    Mindful of the truth and full justification to condemning such a savage and barbaric act being carried out against the “Freedom of Expression;” “Freedom of Speech” and “Freedom of the Press,” however, boasting, by the US Secretary of the State, of France being Europe, and possibly the World’s “First Democracy” that one finds hard to connect into the relevance of sad occasion. For, jumps to mind that it was under the name of the French Democracy that more than one Million Algerians perished seeking deliverance from the oppressive colonialist French rule during the Algerian Liberation War extending from not too long ago 1954-1961. It was under the “First European Democracy” that the Tripartite Suez Aggression was carried out, against the International Law, against Egypt on October, 1956. It was at the last most-bloody battle of Dien Bien Phu (French: Bataille de Diên Biên Phu) that Colonialist France, “Democratic France,” had to end its exploitative colonialist rule of Vietnam in 1954.

    Human’s capacity at violence and perpetration of injustice is never restricted to one breed of race, ethnicity, sect or culture. It is never the prerogative of the less educated, less culturally civilized and less materially endowed. It is inherent in the human nature regardless of ethnicity, race, sect, education or cultural sophistication.

    When one listens to An excellent documentary of some of the secret taping of President Richard Nixon’s secret conversations with his close White House staff, advisors and the President’s ministers, foremost Dr. Henry Kissinger, at the height of the Vietnam War, the most appalled by the revelations in pictures and sound bites. The Washington Post investigative journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein’s best-selling book “All the President’s Men,” 1976, listening to President Nixon secret tapes with the staff and Ministers, I was flabbergasted. I now realize in retrospect that sitting in the Oval Office was a war criminal psychopath; an immoralist creature of the ugliest mind. Using foul language at all time, Nixon at one instance was taped assuring his staff that once the forthcoming Presidential elections election is done with and he is re-elected to a second term in office come November 7, 1972, he would order the leveling of Hanoi to the ground. On another instance, I listened to Nixon’s voice very furious how the military is not flying more bombing raids to do Carpet Bombing to burn the hell out of the Vietnamese.

    By the time the War of Vietnam ended, around 3.0 million Vietnamese lost their lives; the American bombers scorched the earth leaving unspoken environmental and ecological damage to the country.

    War Criminals, including Dr. Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney remain at large preaching the Gospel of Law and Order as of their very acts have not contributed, in the first place, to the spiral of “International Terrorism” and the rise of the fringe group so called Jihadist spreading murder and scorching the Earth in the Middle East as Paris, most sadly and most unfortunately, got a taste of all that left behind by the reckless and unlawful actions of some of the leaders of the Western World.

  • Bayan Nagash

    Dear Zula,

    I recall now having some pleasant discourse in this space with you, the subject
    matter of which have zero recollection. Either way though, a disclosure of sorts
    should be inorder: When I enter into a dialogue I enter with an open mind to learn and
    perhaps impart some knowledge in return. If I deem it that there will be no
    value added to the conversation I move one with no hard feelings toward the
    individual with whom I communicate. And, when the next encounter occurs, the
    past conversation would have no bearing unless it has any relevance to the
    subject under discussion.

    Therefore, there is no subsequent grudges held in my book no matter how heated
    the debate or conversation might have been. But, of course, I trust we all measure our
    responses as we consider myriad factors when we are discussing with others, for
    example, other readers and other viewers are taken into consideration, hence
    the reason for chiding the video on my end; I said nothing about your ideas
    that I recall only the offensive nature of the video clip. Just because I had visceral reaction did not mean I am incapable of holding my own. I hope you’ve read the previous two
    links I availed when responding to Semere A’s educational piece.

    Dear Zula, you seem to still stand behind the clip you availed. Amanuel Hidrat gave you his reasoning and an alternative way in which you could’ve presented your ideas. There is
    nothing more that I can add to that other than to say at least your mind is
    processing to the inappropriateness of the clip, because you put it in the “may
    be” category. In fact, here is what you said:

    “May be I made a mistake by not putting a warning about the clip in my comment,
    however that should not stop me from posting the clips as it is a reality that is happening
    in this world and as a concerned advocate you should know that better.”

    I am hopeful, as the conversation resumes you will come to definitively say it was wrong and that there was other ways that you could’ve articulated your arguments. It is obvious to
    me that you are fluent in the language that you write and you can articulate
    your thoughts.

    In an effort of convincing you that the AT was not necessarily censoring you, but that in their
    wisdom they listened to the reasoning behind the objections and sided with
    those of us who voiced our concerns on whatever grounds we deemed it
    inappropriate for Awate forum. With that spirit, herein follows no more than 6
    minutes clip that I would like you to watch, because it challenges the
    fundamentals of liberal democracy and freedom of speech through reason. You may
    not agree with the man but you don’t leave emotionally distraught. Far from it,
    it left me personally questioning my own assumptions as it challenged me on so
    many levels. I hope it does likewise to you and many other readers.

    http://fbcdn-video-i-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xfa1/v/t42.1790-2/10878153_10152504591426104_200738544_n.mp4?oh=48ae2dda558ffa8b6b32b6f60b0d6a93&oe=54B553F9&__gda__=1421226247_6ddf48267c569de6919bd366a839453a

    Sincerely,
    Beyan

    P.S. Tafla, I chose to deliberately stay on the tangent, but you are now pulling me to the central gravity of the matter that I was trying to stay away from, not because the subject matter is not important, but precisely because time is not on my side. I claimed it: I am bout ideas and not personalities. Therefore, I promise to respond in kind. I appreciate the challenge here.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    It is good that the debate is finding its way back to Eritrea’s case. Eritrea’s lowland and coastal regions are pre-dominantly Muslim. History recorded that the Muslim and Christians Eritreans had gone through unbelievable levels of ordeals and embattled existance, yet desplayed resiliancy in their shared existance and harmony in ways simply hard to imagine. The wars, the disasters, the occupations, the divisions and what have you that had been thrown at them in a span of hundreds of years simply melted off and crushed to pieces. Even this very day Asmara’s majestic Mosque stands next to the equally land mark Orthodox and Catholic places of worship. That is a display of the silent strength, the genertional wisdom and above all a powerful legacy that sets Eritrea above and better than its counterparts. All the gruesome and horrific past and present has been whethered by such unyielding sense of togetherness.

    Did our Muslim citizes lack the capacity, know how, language and communication to wage wars and chaos in their country and against their brethern? Never. They actually didn’t chose to. There has always been calls for religious conflict in Eritrea. sometimes by arrogant occupiers and sometimes narrow minded and delusional fellow citizens. But, why didn’t it transform into real and horrific conflict? Was it the abject dictatorship and willful impovershment of the IA regime that made it harmony? Is it the fact that Muslims are under represented in the current regime and the had to resist so much provacations from irrisponsible leadership over the last 2 deacade that kept them in place? Or is it because they were kept at bay by centralist government that doesn’t recognize minority rights and wish to guarantee their rights?

    I think it is about time to recognize the huge responsibility the Muslim Eritrea carries in making the nation a reality. It is much like balancing equal weight on both sides of a scale. If one side gives way, the other falls too. Our Muslim and Christian citizens know too well that they represent this important half of the equation and hence can’t let go.

    Hence, let’s think big, let’s aim and dream higher. Eritrean highland having one of the biggest Islamic Studies University and Eritrean lowlands having one of the biggest Christian Theological Studies University. Each leading research in the role of religion as a promoter of peace, liberty and spritual fulfilment. The role of religion in conflict resolution, the role of religion in nation building and organic development drives. The role of multi faith nation in diplomacy and external relations… can all be studied, researched, developed and shared with man kind. Eritrea is not only well positioned/located for such important undertaking but has the history, the harmony and the wisdom to lead it.

    Fearing one another and playing into old and bankrupted ideologies that have nothing to show for their existance apart tragedy and human misery isn’t the way. We have more to teach others in this area and if you’ve got it flount it. Government can do the job of governing and rligious leaders can do the spritual work. The creation of Eritrea that reflects the interests, aspirations and dreams of every Eritrean, under a peaceful, free and dignified social order is a noble dream to aspire to. If there is a will, there is a way!

    Regards

    • destaa

      Selam dear HTG
      I will be happy if you have explanation on my question regarding this
      “Even this very day Asmara’s majestic Mosque stands next to the equally land mark Orthodox and Catholic places of worship”.
      Who let this to happen?I mean did the Eritrean muslims and Christians allow a church and a mosque to be near to each other? I red that in Ethiopia, Mercato, Raguel Church and Anwar mosque were deliberately put near to each other by the then invading Italy for evil purpose. I mean to act like savior of Muslims in a country where Christianity has the upper political power. (the usual trick of acting like guardian of the oppressed and silencing main competitor…I am not denying the oppression though)
      And after learning this, I smile when Ethiopians mention this as a sign of love between Christians and Muslims. Of course, Teddy Afro’s famous song (Shemendefer) also mentioned it. It is nice we use them in a good way but I prefer the real story than covering it.
      Thanks

      • Nitricc

        Destaa
        read this till haile gets back to you. i am sharing it with you for my saving account 🙂
        Eritrea: a haven for Religious harmony

        By Ibrahim Hajj
        Melbourne, Australia
        Ibrahim.hajj@bigpond.com

        In a world far too often marred by conflicts resulting from religious intolerance and fanaticism, I thought it might serve a great purpose to highlight the case of my own country, Eritrea, as a model for religious harmony and peaceful coexistence.

        I’ve just come back from Eritrea having spent five lovely weeks with family and friends. Mostly shuttling between Asmara, the capital, and my home town Keren. (90km from Asmara).

        The weather was great with temperatures varying from15 to20 degrees Celsius.
        Back in Eritrea after an absence of so many years the thing that struck most, and I’m sure many visitor to that country will not fail to notice, is the admirable harmony and tolerance that its people – made up of Christians and Moslems – enjoy.
        It may sound bizarre but in Eritrea it is quite common to find a Christian with a Muslim cousin or a Muslim women with a Christian brother.

        The harmony and respect for each other is noticeable be it while queuing at a post office to pay a bill, in public transport, at marketplaces, café’s , schools, soccer matches, hospitals and in any form of social interaction.

        I will mention three occasions that I believe they should back up and indeed add credence to what I am saying.

        Example #1:
        My arrival there in early December (2010) coincided with the inauguration of a magnificent mosque in the city of Keren. At the inaugural ceremony there were, among others, 3 prominent priests representing the city’s major Christian denominations (Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant).
        In his speech, one of the priests (the 3 gave a unified single speech) remarked “It is a source of pride to us Moslems and Christians to see a place that had in the past been the site of incarcerations and tortures of innocent Eritreans has now become a place of worship” He was referring to a police station on which site the new mosque now stands.
        Judging by the deafening applauds, the priest had scored a curly goal at the Mufti’s home ground
        The Mufti had earlier expressed similar sentiments stressing the fact that although the people of Eritrea went to their respective places for worship, they always shared moments of happiness and sadness as one people.
        It is worth mentioning here that the event’s expenses (foods etc..) were paid for by individuals from both faiths.

        Example #2:
        I was at Keren hospital visiting a friend. In the same room as my friend was a young boy lying in a bed. The boy had had his leg amputated due to some rare complications. It was indeed a very sad spectacle.
        A young Moslem lady, presumably a family member, was dutifully looking after the boy.
        After expressing my heartfelt sympathy, I was engaged in a friendly chat with the young attractive girl (the friend I came to visit was asleep!). She told me she had two cousins in Melbourne. I knew them both. What a small world!
        I also came to learn that Hawa (that was her name) was in the hospital minding, Woldeet Tekheste, her young Christian first cousin.(Their mothers were sisters).
        It was funny to see visitors (coming to see Woldeet) stop at the doorway, casting confused looks alternating between Woldeet and Hawa, lost and unable to tell if that was the boy they came to see. Their hesitation was understandable. Obviously things didn’t up.
        Mind you, people should always be careful that the precious little gift (usually a kilo of banana or orange) they carried didn’t fall in the wrong hands.
        Although, later, Woldeet’s parents came in to relieve Hawa, the job of feeding the boy was left to Hawa who handfed him (ekelet/Gaat – sort of a porridge) while the boy’s parents, clearly shaken by the whole ordeal, were busy recounting events that led to the misfortune that had befallen their 16-year old son to the their visitors.

        Example #3:
        I was at Keren football stadium – I’m a football tragic I have to admit – for a match between a Al-Nasser (the home side, with a broad popular support) and Dandan (from Asmara). When a Dandan player had to be stretched off the ground due to injury, the two captains of both teams aided by two other players carried the injured player to the side line. It was a gesture of sportsmanship I had never seen in any match any where. (Al-Nasser won with a solitary goal in injury time – I was over the moon!)

        What I witnessed at the hospital, or at the football ground were, as far as the people there concerned, nothing out of the ordinary. Just normal. But to me they were more than that. They gave me hope and optimism. That is as long as we got the basics right every thing is going be right. These are things that should be highlighted, admired and spoken about.

        The discovery of a huge reserves of gold and other minerals has given the people there a great moral boost. That is of course great. But to me Eritrea’s biggest asset is the admirable harmony and peaceful coexistence that its people enjoy.

        • Hope

          Nitrikay the Lion,Jr, of Nacfa/SAWA!
          Thanls for posting this Great Article by Ibrahim Hajj,whom I know personally and was kind of amused as to how and why I missed his article,which I usually enjoy at Dehai.Org.
          BTW,this is an original and old new Classic keren Culture representing a Classic Eritrea.
          If you can,listen to Legend Al’amin Abduletif’s Song about Keren and hope Cousin SAAY or half Cousin Mahmouday can upload the music/song.
          I hope one day you will visit Keren,if you have not yet,and be your own eye witness account about Keren and Kerenites and tell us more about Keren and Kerenites..
          Bottom line,the Harmony Issue in Eritrea is NOT a fake ONE and NOT for PR consumption but a REALITY built on/with a Hard Rock and Hard Steel…..fire-tested like Gold.
          Let us keep that Spirit and give NO space for this nonsensical Religion and Region-based divisive politika.

          • Abinet

            Cousin Hope
            I know one song about Keren . It is old.
            Abyotawi serawitachin hede teguaze ,
            TegenTay wenbedewochin demsiso Kerenin yaze.
            Old good days.

          • Hope

            Abi—Nefsi:
            The Tighentay Wenbedie destroyed the 300,000 well trained Army men strong – well equipped and well trained Black Africa’s Military Power and let them go in disarray—
            Tell me any where in the world where a Rebel Group has done this miracle and capturing more than 200,000 well armed and trained Conventional Army.
            Only Eritreans can do that.
            Col Menghistu Hailemariam declared as following after the destruction of the more than 20,000 well trained Army men of the Nadew Command in 36hrs.
            “Shaebia,be Sahil Teraroch wist,Atomic Bom Eyeserra now…”.

          • Hope

            read as ” Atomic Bomb”

          • Abinet

            Hope nefse
            Mengistu min yalalew neger ale?

          • Hope

            Ye-Essepa Abal neberk endie?

          • Abinet

            Minew? Minew? Minew? Min bedelkuh wondime? Endihma atawardegnim.

          • Nitricc

            Uncle Hope; thanks man. i went looking for Alamain on you tube and i found this song and i was blowing away. i did get the whole meaning down but from what i got, it is deep. here listen and i may ask you few questions. like what does mean Aleba?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IoNqbR4Vkc

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Nitric;
            “Aleba” is just a piece of white cloth people use to cover the dead before laying them to rest.

          • Hope

            Opps,sorry,I stand corrected.Thanks Abreham.

          • Hope

            Nephew Nitric,
            You blew me “up” as well with this an old new but a timely selectionof the musiceventhough sang,what now?In 1960s?
            Aleba: a piece of cloth–with which the new born is wrapped up.Read; “Seb nikhebdu tiray aykonen zi-nebir——-ki-hasib alewo kighimit”.
            Look for another one about Keren(Eritrea)–where he sings about Keren,Kerenites and the culture and the harmony of the people–Christians and Muslims;Highlanders and Lowlanders—
            Hint:It goes like this:”Keren,Keren We-Keren,keren Ad meshakinta….islamyau we kistanayu misl ‘nebir…..
            It s a Tigrayit(Tigre) Music/lyrics.It expresses what Ibarhim Hajj stated.

          • Nitricc

            To uncle Home with love and thanks for the translation. thanks and thanks Abraham Hanibal for the translation as well.
            Now, i am presenting this for peace treaty with SJ and uncle Hope. click the link.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjy7g0_dJ-4

      • haileTG

        Selam destaa,

        There are different places of worship in Asmara. In our topic at hand, the Al Khulafa Al Rashiudin is close by to the Churches that I mentioned. The Mar Bin Abdulaziz Mosque is actually located on a separate quarter of the city known as Geza Banda (ye banda sefer..haha). So, if yours/your friend’s view is to do with the reading of the placement and the then powers to make artistic observation, could be. But if we can definitly say that was the reason, then more evidence would be welcome. Some one once told me that the reason religious buildings include tubular structure protruding to the sky is to show male dominance and musculinity!! Very funny:) The Sheikh Hanafi Mosque in Massawa is one of the oldest in Africa and predates the Italians going back to 15th century.

        • destaa

          Dear HTG
          Thank you for your reply

        • Saleh Johar

          HaileTG, I have met several such people whose brains are located between their legs. They can’t think of anything else 🙂

      • guest

        destaa, i want you to know that Anwar mosque was build in 1922 before the Italian invasion.

    • Nitricc

      Haile, I never worry about Eritrea and her people’s religious makeup. The Eritreans has passed the test. When King Hailesilase was eradicating the Eritrean lowlands and Muslims while taking care of the Highlander Christians. The highlander christens had no reason to join the struggle with their Muslim brothers and the lowlanders, the Christians had it made, everything they want but they understood the Ethiopian leaders strategy and Eritreans pass the dangerous religious test and the join and fight with the lowlanders and Muslims. That was that generation and this generation; thanks to SAWA, and ladies and gentleman our state of religion harmony and our ethnic interaction is stronger than ever.

      • haileTG

        Selam Nitricc,

        We need to distinguish between recognizing our assets and braging about it. We do have assets that can be put to good use or be lost. As far as Sawa and the regime, it has done everything possible to stagnate and undermine Eritrea and its assets for as long as it existed. This regime can’t even turn on the lights let alone do worthy things that our forefathers put together. It is one of the challenges our unity faced and we defeated it too. It is now old, cranky and nothing much left of it as a regime. The Eritrean unity survived even that! Right Nitricc?

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hi Haile;
      As far as I can understand it, you are for a secular government in Eritrea, a government that is free from religion, and that serves both Muslims, Christians, and others without descrimination? What is your opinion regarding the Author of this article, who’s seeking an islamic government for Muslims in Eritrea? Do you think it is practical to implement such a government, considering the demographic distribution of the different religions in different geographic locations in Eritrea? How can one reach such a goal, without practically dviding the country into pieces, and in the process causing ethnic, and/or religious strife which we never had in our country?
      Regards

      • haileTG

        Selamat Abraham,

        I made two points in my first post in this article’s comment sections, they were:

        1) The driving political calculation for dealing with this issue should be how to maximize the potential for every citizen to feel included, respected and dignified in their country. How can the proximity of Islam to all aspects of the follower’s life be accommodated without infringing on the rights, security and opportunities of those who don’t belong to the faith? Such creative and compromising approaches always open doors to engagement, trust and shared stakes in the life of the nation and its maintenance.

        2) The writer above is inconsiderate of Eritrea and all her citizens, he thinks he can lord it over everyone else and the rest of us don’t exist in his books. Well, that is a lot to do with fanaticism and very unhealthy to a multi-polar nation like ours.

        If we both agree that peace, liberty and dignity is what all of our people deserve and must find, then surely we can think of ways to support and facilitate the needs of citizens to fulfill their desires without infringing the enjoyment of the same quality of life by the rest of the country. There are Islamic courts in Eritrea, there are Islamic schools, there are Islamic considerations people do (such as preparing Islamic and Christian food in social occasions). Can we expand those and have major cities and economic centers that express Islamic values and traditions? The whole nation doesn’t have to go one way or the other, but Islam being an indispensable part of Eritrean identity, we shouldn’t spare anything from empowering and solidifying the gains of our Muslim half. We shouldn’t see it as one asking for something, and the other scratching his head to see if they can give it or not. Half of Eritrean children (i.e. Eritrea’s future) are born to Eritrea’s Islamic tradition. And, surely we need to facilitate them with substantial structural and environmental edifice to grow them into balanced, strong and moral citizens. Our Muslim half also shoulders the same responsibility in strengthening, facilitating and developing the necessary environment for the Christian half (an indeed everyone else too) to thrive and prosper in life.

        So, Abraham, you have observed many Muslim contributors in this article or even Eritrea’s history, they are not exactly revolting to impose oppressive rules on their brethren. As I said earlier, they had hundreds of years of ample opportunity to have done that, but they haven’t. If few people hold extreme views, that is understandable. But, my fundamental perspective is what more I can do for them (as they would do for me), the enrich their life with Peace, Liberty and dignity. The need ought to come from them and my need from me. Together we will work out something. Something good for both of us.

        I can never tell you fully about how they feel about their unique faith and tradition, only can do about mine. What we need is the desire to share each other’s challenges to achieve the goals that are set reasonably and rationally to accommodate both of us. Lest we forget that we both (Muslim and Christians) share equal responsibility in making Eritrea a happy place to be.

        Regards

  • Nitricc

    Guest.
    Why don’t come out and say it instead of going around the bush. So, you want Sharia law? Right? It will never happen in Eritrea, so, save your energy and time. just you know.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Guest,
    I hope your response is an angry response which you haven’t well thought on it. Otherwise you can’t argue against “secularism and market capitalism” where “secularism” is the only ideological thought that respect the rights of all faiths and “market economy” is the theory for prosperity and economic development more than any to the underdeveloped nations like ours. Think about it. One advice though, don’t try to answer when you are angry, for you will be dictated by the irrational and contradictory reactionary thoughts which indirectly attacks the normal thought that defines your thoughts and who you are.
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Zula,

    I have no doubt, you brought it when the “crazy Hope” challenged you to bring evidence, that Christians from their fringes do also inhumane and barbaric act like that of the fringe Muslims are doing. Yes you might not did it to add insult to the injury, but you had an option to put it in words without showing the graphic pictures. Many horrors are done in the name of religion by all faiths back then and now. Though scriptures of all faiths taught us about peace and humanity, we have never guided by the holy messages of the scriptures. At the risk of religious outcry, I will say this: Human being are evil by nature and all the wars they waged are, to quench their insatiable power and heroism, and as such religion has never lost to be part of its subtle motives. All wars, even if they are not full blown of religious motives, they have never been cooked without the flavor or ingredient of religious sentiment. Besides the wars waged to expand religion, the horrendous wars – world war first, world war second had subtle religious motives.

    So Zula understanding this nature of human being and their propensity to war, It would be paramount to be skillful enough at articulating our thought in our debate without fanning the indecency and ravages of wars. Doing otherwise will make us part of the evil plot of insanity of religious wars. Just argue on the safe side and righteous virtue of human endeavor. And I believe the answer to all the causes of wars is to advocate for justice. Nothing else.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Guest;
    Eritreans should not entertain this evil and, I will borrow your term, nefarious agendas of divide and rule like what you’re displaying. It is not for the sake of peace, but for destroying the harmony and mutual respect that exists among our various religions. Such division of Eritrea would never happen even in your wildest dreams.
    Good luck with your backwarded dreams.

  • Saleh Johar

    [moderator: the video was saved on Disqus and though we deleted the link on the comment, we couldn’t delete the atual video which is on Disqus. Therfore, we deleted and re-posted Zula’s comment here. Zula, try to be considerate and do not post disturbing videos. Zula’s comment follows:]

    The dominant media in the world is playing a very successful campaign in portraying and associating the religion of Islam with terror with the help of fringe extremist who call themselves Muslims. By my question is why is the media not covering the genocide against Muslims around the world such as Hindu, Buddhist and Christian extremist to the same extent that they are covering the ISIL and AQ.

    Where was the solidarity when Muslims are and were exterminated all over the world such as Muslim genocide in Central Africa Republic by Christian extremist [link removed]

    Please lets not be selective in our judgement!!!

  • Peace!

    Hi Kim,

    I hope you don’t consider yourself a member of Eritrean opposition because your knowledge on politics is clearly staggering. what happened in Paris is not different from what happened in Norway, the only difference is the killers have Muslim names. Now, let me tell you what happened in Norway: A right wing christian his name is Anders Behring Breivik killed 98 people in a tiny Island. Was it an act of terror? yes. Did they call him a terrorist? No. Did they make all Christians in Norway come out and denounce him? No. My advise to you don’t watch fox news too much!

    regards

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Peace,
      .
      You forgot to tell me what that deranged man said his motivation was for killing those kids.
      .
      I am glad you didn’t mention, like Mr. Said, Timothy McVeigh to illustrate your point as well. How Sad.
      .
      K.H

      • Peace!

        Hi Kim,

        As for the killing of children, you can ask president Obama who is sending drones and dropping bombs on family picnics.

        regards

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Peace,
          .
          You told me out of the blue that I watch too much Fox News, which means I don’t care for President Obama.
          We are talking past each other, so I wish you peace.
          .
          K.H

          • Peace!

            Hi Kim,

            I wish you peace too, and I appreciate your care for children.

            regards

  • Semere Andom

    Awatistas:

    An honest discussion is important about religion and region. Over all, the followers of the 3 men from the middles east have not lived up to the teaching of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. People, mostly shrewd men behind the scenes brainwash and indoctrinate by twist the scriptures according to what suits them. Knowledge, freedom, life are the solutions to the machination of the crooked men who utilize the good name of the religion. We have seen how the Christian fanatics like David Koresh in Texas and the Jonestown of People’sTemple murders in the name of Jesus and Christianity. So there is no illusion the fanatics in both religions who have massacred even their own followers are facts we cannot deny
    At this time some radical elements of Islam is attacking innocent people from both religions while these are the very few, it is wrong for us to paint with wider brushes. I know this line is a cliché and neither illuminating nor inspiring, but I want to add that while we focus on what some people who claim to follow Mohammed are doing we have to be cognizant that Islam, one of the greatest religions of this world is fundamentally for peace, we are forgetting that it is under attack itself. Good example is the Mossab Yousef Hassan, the son of one of the founders of Hamas. He wrote a book and had endless media and online exposure where he admonishes the religion of Islam whole sale instead of delineating between the fanatics and true Muslims he created a wedge between the people and their God and their religion.

    No amount of US muscle can stop the fanatics and every decade or so they will re-invent themselves and create havoc. I am of the opinion that they can only be destroyed from within as no one is against life. In our country given people life and liberty will kill the fanatics like the author of this article. They blossom under dictatorship and not under democracy. Yes once a while a lunatic will do damage but fear and despotism will not eradicate them.
    you can find many youtube but this is one of them

    http://sonofhamas.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfBXLxO-FNs

    • Bayan Nagash

      Semere Well said. We need people like you and Said who are able to see beyond the glitters and fluffs refusing to accept what media cooks for us as consumers. While I cannot find any solace or comfort in what occurred in Paris and no words can express the sorrow and the sadness I feel and experience when any entity kills and maims in the name of religion or for any reason for that matter, but it is a little comforting to read thoughts you penned and what Said had written earlier in a different thread.

      Though I don’t agree with everything the following piece on Paris addresses, I sure as heck garnered broader understanding because the writer of the piece rises above the knee jerk reaction and attempts to offer historical context for the malady of human condition. When the Serbs rose to ethnically cleanse the Bosnian Muslims in the early 1990s selectively choosing the glorious defeat they experienced as part of the reason wanting to avenge their revenge of the 1300s war, you kind of lose hope in the idiocy of humanity. So, whenever something tragic like what happened in Paris occurs, I always try to understand it in its own context. Hunting for flash points and using images from the virtual wilderness and using it to erroneously support one’s preconceived notion only exacerbates matters rather than help ameliorate it. So, herein follow two links that I feel help contextualize matters for us in hopes of making us see the nuances of life history and historicity that are at minimum what we should seek for:

      http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc0304/article_285.shtml

      http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charlie-hebdo-paris-attack-brothers-campaign-of-terror-can-be-traced-back-to-algeria-in-1954-9969184.html

      Semere A,, your piece and that of Said’s really need to be juxtaposed in one posting as they complement one another in the kind of message they convey, which epitomizes the Eritrean human spirit that uplifts us all and refuses to denigrate the Eritrean essence of multicultural and mosaic culture of plurality that I choose to see as life enriching. Before the virtual avalanche buries them both, I am just going to copy and paste Said’s piece here – using my limited power to keep both on top of the comment section. So, here goes it:

      Said’s comment follows:

      I am one of the 1.6 billion Muslims, nearly one quarter of the Earth’s population, who belongs to normal average class, multinational in both educational and citizenship background who is stupefied each time there is an act of violence or a crime committed by an extremely tiniest fringe outlaws stand accused and Needs to make an apology.

      Fashionable these days are acts of senseless terror carried out by fringe Islamists termed Jihadist who were long bred in the laboratories of Western Intelligence Agencies; nurtured and fattened in the kitchens of foreign sponsors, mostly Western, to advance a “Politics of Expediency” disruptive plans in the service of Western Hegemonic designs.

      Nothing of the likes of nowadays this group , often termed “Islamic Terrorists,” ever existed in the annals of the History of Islam. Never ever . When Princeton University Professor Bernard Lewis, an ardent Zionist, looked around to find parallels in the long Islamic history to the nowadays bloody and murderous phenomenon of the Jihadist Salafists – the world expert on Islam he claims he; however, all that Bernard Lewis could find was going back nearly a thousand years ago to a small splinter outlaws renowned by the name of the “Assassins.” The Assassins were a mostly duped small terrorist group – where the name “Assassins” is derived from meaning in Arabic the “Hashasheen,” i.e. the duped lot. The Assassins were started and controlled by a Zealot Muslim of the Ishmaelite Sect(Part of Shia sect) by the name of Hassan El-Sabbah. The Assassins were a secretive group sworn to blind allegiance to their leader who took refuge in a remote inaccessible mountain in Asia Minor Region of nowadays Turkey. Hassan El-Sabbah was a contemporary of the famous Persian poet philosopher Omer El-Khayyam. The Great Arab-French novelist Amin Malouf did a great justice relating to that epoch and the fictitious story of the two prominent personalities of Hassan El-Sabbah and Omar El-Khayyam in his romantic fiction novel “Samarkand,” 1988.

      The Mujahedeen movement is entirely a Western Intelligence Creation phenomenon tracing its origin to the start of the Mujahedeen Movement in the early 1980s. The Mujahedeen Movement became known as the Arab Afghans was started by the CIA with the objective of enlisting Islam as a motivator to combat the Soviet Union’s troops present in Afghanistan. The enlisting of the Mujahedeen to combat the Soviet troops in Afghanistan was intended to serving a double whammy strategic objective in President Ronald Regan Administration’s plan to bleed the Soviet Union while simultaneously engaging the Warsaw Pact in an armament race that would divert essential economic resources from civilian applications, a strategy that eventually led to the exhaustion and the fall of the Soviet Union by the closing of the decade of the 1980s.

      The Afghan Mujahedeen featuring among their prominent leaders no other than Osama Ben Laden himself as one of the Arab Afghans leaders as Mujahedeen leaders were warmly received by the Regan Administration. In one occasion President Regan posed for a commemorative group photo in the White House Oval Office with some of the Mujahedeen visiting leaders.
      After the end of the first Afghan war the well-trained Mujahedeen were abandoned by their Western sponsors as some were imprisoned and tortured once they returned to their home countries causing deep bitterness as in the example of the current leader of Al-Qaeda Ayman El-Zawaheri the Right hand man of Osama Bin Laden who was imprisoned and tortured by the Egyptian security services upon his return to Egypt from fighting the Soviet Union troops in Afghanistan.

      After their years of estrangements and alienation after the end of the First Afghan war, the Mujahedeen under the command of Osama Bin Laden regrouped again in Afghanistan helping the Taliban to gain power and rule the country. The Mujahedeen of the so-called Arab Afghan then began the organization of the “Al-Qaeda” Movement with broadened plans and ambitions.

      In the more recent years, the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq in 2003 provided the fertile grounds with the ensuing chaos; the abundance of abandoned weaponry for the Mujahedeen to expand their field combat training developing and enhance their assertive presence in Iraq as the war against the Anglo-American presence was raging. The fighters ambitions were further expanded to seeking to the creation of a long sought after their national state, that would anew be governed under the laws of Al-Sharia, the Islamic Jurisprudence.

      Like many Failed states over so many decades in some Arab countries, causing waste of national resources and inequitable distribution of wealth with rampant corruption beside maintaining an oppressive dictatorial rule resulted in wide spread poverty and fast widening gap between the selective few Haves and the great majority of the populations of the Have NOTs.

      Worsening socio-economic conditions and the senseless civil wars in Syria, Iraq and Libya that were mostly inspired by the intervention of the Western powers offered a serendipitous Bonanza for the newly created Jihadists, with the ensuing problems , generous funding and supply of weaponry by the Western powers’ allies, with the full consent backing and consent of the US Administration and the other Western powers who were intent on changing by force the bloody dictorship of Assad Regime in Syria and the dictatorship of Qaddafi Rule in Libya; all this after rendering Iraq a splintered nation that only added to the multiplication of the new modern era Jihadist.

      That is the genesis and the origin of the tiniest fringe group that some of their apparent recruits stormed three days ago the offices in Paris, France, of the French publication “Charlie Hebdo.”

      Notwithstanding the increasing number of young volunteers joining the movements in the Arab worlds. The number of these including their sympathizers among Arabs a is never exceeding, in the wildest of estimates, hundreds of thousands .When measured against the number of the total populations of mainstream Islamic countries counting roughly 1.5 billion to 1.6 billion Muslims, the number of group remains so insignificant that could never represent in the worst case scenario of more than 0.01% of the total world’s Muslim population.
      However, despite the above facts, Islam and Muslims stand accused by Western propagandists as at the source of “Rising World Terrorism” and the security ills bewildering the world. This while overlooking the recent historic facts of the terrible role played and continues to be played by the Western polity in paving the grounds for the rise of the so-called fringe Islamic by short-sighted policies and poorly conceived strategies.

      Muslims, possibly of all mankind, like their brethren in humanity are generally guided and are generally observant of high moral principles and enshrined family values as most attested to by the collective conduct and temperament of Muslim Europeans and Western Muslims. Violence, criminal conduct and terrorism are the very exception involving a relatively small disenfranchised minority among the large Muslim populations.
      Muslim scholars and academics; successful scientists and professionals; leading business men and business women; Muslim institution builders are in many cases at par even surpass some of their successful Western counterparts. Islamic Civilization is testament and one of the greatest human civilizations that greatly contributed to the rise of modern Western sciences and technological discoveries.
      However, sadly true that worsening economic, political and security conditions in the Middle Eastern region, including what Israel represents as a security challenge and a source of permanent humiliation to generally proud Arab populations, are bound to still give impetus to the rise and the strengthening of the many movements. This, as Islamic jurisprudence long left lacking for centuries in keeping pace with the requisites of modern life and the need readjust to life and world changing realities. The endurance of these anomalies without a serious and a genuine plan of redressing them would increasingly cause these Islamic Movements to grow in the absence of viable alternatives of meaningful balanced developments, effective programs for the eradication of poverty and improved living conditions.
      Nevertheless, notwithstanding to the adherence to free thinking, as a Muslim I do not feel apologetic for crimes committed by misguided tiniest group in as much an average American or a Christian American would feel apologetic for a crime committed by a deranged Timothy McVeigh carrying a terrorist attack against innocent victims in the Oklahoma City Bombing of April 19, 1995.
      Having said that, the truth remains that short of a genuine Western and the Muslim sincere cooperation in facing up to the socio-economic challenges and the need to start on a new different paradigm to facing the endemic challenges the fringe group pose to both worlds, security solutions alone would never provide the answer alone as they would be very short-lived.
      The West needs to start from a radically different Paradigm to circumvent and eradicate the rising threat of the fringe Phenomenon. The Western Powers need to dramatically and radically change habits, the long old ways starting from a totally complete Package to addressing, radically and non-opportunistically, the enduring strategic problems including forcing peace to Israel to heed and fully abide by the International Law. In this “Global Village” world the Muslims and the Western World are facing a common threat that both need to symbiotically, genuinely and urgently address with open dialogue and frank exchanges with very well-defined Framework of Principles. The West and the Muslim PEOPLE need to build mutual trust based on recognized and observed universal values and work towards common goals that would promote the genuine interests and the wellbeing of both peoples and for the rest of the world . see more 12 You must sign in to down-vote this post.

      • Tafla

        Dear Bayan,

        I do not wish to put cold water on the atmosphere of mutual love, understanding and respect that that is reigning in the forum, and is the hallmark of Eritrean society. But I have a nagging feeling that no one has addressed the question the author of this article is posing.

        All the events taking place in Irak, Afghanistan, Bosnia, CAR, France and elsewhere, have a historical, colonial and neo-colonial aspect to them that may not necessarily be relevant to us as Eritreans (maybe as humans, to learn from others’ mistakes).

        Religion can be interpreted differently by different people and eras, thereof all the sects that has emerged from within the different faiths. The central message of the author is that Islam is inseparable from politics and some forumers also gave their support to letting muslim brotherhood-type of political parties to be allowed in the Eritrean political arena.

        The modern view of separation between state and church is in my opinion ideal for a future democratic Eritrea, but that would mean a ban on all religious parties. Would that create a victim mentality and hostility among our Muslim compatriots (like the author of the article) who are merely trying to stay as faithful as possible to their belief system, that teaches (Islam) Din wa dawla (دين و دولة), meaning Islam is a system of governance and a religion, which have a set of rules on how non-muslims also should be treated (i.e the concept of dhimmi, jizya just to mention a few).

        Is it possible to argue for the separation of state and church with the support of the quran, hadith and sira?

        I hope my question is clear and would really appreciate, if you are able to, enlighten me.

        Best regards
        Tafla

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Tafla,

          Good question and is timely question. I hope our brothers from Muslim faith could give us some understanding about it particularly in a muti-religious society like ours.

          • Tafla

            ,Thanks Dear Aman, TaQ’IT b’Hanti id koynu keyterif ember Hasabka hab 🙂

        • Bayan Nagash

          Dear Tafla,

          Colonialism, post-colonialism, neo-colonialism has direct relevance to our part of the world as does Neoliberalism vis-à-vis globalization – no doubt about that. The question that is rather difficult to answer is this: How should we manage our sociopolitical affairs without falling victims to these isms, replete examples
          abound and examples you sited surrounding us to cherry pick from; of course,
          not to emulate but to avoid and avert them all, one hopes, because of its
          volatility and the disaster that may loom ahead if we don’t find a way to
          preemptively and proactively combat it.

          The Al Qaida and the Taliban types thrive where there tends to be leadership vacuum and where perceptions of injustice by a certain population group begins to mushroom, the venom of which spreads like wild fire. That to me is where the rubber meets the road and the road Eritreans choose for the future of the country will have direct bearings in what kind of society we collectively forge.

          You know Tafla, I am reading Ambassador Andeberhan’s book: “Eritrea at Crossroads…” and this book is a gem. Now, here is an intellectual of the highest order for you, who is well equipped with the-know-how, one of the technocrats, if not the technocrat that we will need who can help usher in the dawning of the new era once the menace is gone for good.

          I honestly do not profess to have knowledge in these matters nor do I have the proper education for such vastly complicated technocratic profession. This is not to suggest, however, that I do not have an opinion on matters of governance. I have reasonable educational background that can help me evaluate, assess, and analyze issues in equitable way. What I have gleaned from living in a country that adopted me as its son and to which I have gladly adapted many of its important ways of life are what made me who I am today. Therefore, I write from a place of concern to my home of origin and I must be cognizant of that fact as well I should also be cognizant where the majority of my countrymen and countrywomen are in the mainland in terms of their worldviews.

          My adopted country provided me myriad tools of knowledge such as the importance of integrating technology & media toward advocating progressive values and principles. It proffered me a chance to understand the basic economic concepts at a layman level so I may begin to inculcate it toward social and public good, and away from Social Darwinism and to fully be aware of possible ecological disasters that may lay in wait if I do not intervene to assuage such realistic concerns, for the consequences could as well be contributing toward global warming. An in-depth comprehension of the role of politics in my day-to-day living situation must be understood in its proper context. I have done, for example, what can be characterized extensive readings related to the subject of Neoliberalism in the context afore-stipulated and how politics is the bread and butter that run the gamut through each conceptual framework.

          Therefore, if the progressive values and visions such as social activism oriented issues that I am passionate about are to have any biting teeth I have come to realize that I must develop comprehensively thought out self-praxis rooted in my life experience.

          My activism is rooted in empowering groups that have been relegated in the
          fringes through various groups who wielded hegemonic powers at different
          junction in Eritrea’s history. Italian and English colonial powers used their
          hegemonic power until they left the country and subsequent powers such as that of Ethiopia’s Amhara elites tried the same hegemonic game – it worked for none of these powers. Enter the post-independent Eritrea, the Tigrinya hegemony played its own dominant role for the past 23 years; that, too, failed, albeit at a devastating cost to the entire population and continues to exact its wrath unabated. Unfortunately, belatedly, we are now realizing it didn’t and couldn’t work. So, what now?

          Well, what must be garnered now is any hegemonic power in general and in a multicultural society in particular cannot work and it will be an exercise in futility to try. What will work, in my estimate, is the absolute delineation between State and Church/Mosque.

          Again, I do not know how that can be resolved, but I am sure with some
          ingenuity Eritreans can find workable solution that would satisfy all of the
          stakeholders. Simply importing rule of law and drafting constitution without
          ensuring its applicability will only make matters worse. This is my personal opinion, obviously. While the workable constitution and its myriad institutions are being laid out, there ought to be another major project that must be in the works in tandem.

          The idea of creating and cultivating citizenry, citizenship, civic minded and democratic minded child is a project that would take decades to accomplish. I see it with my own children in how that democratic child is cultivated. Each day my children challenge me with their queries, questions, and sensibilities full of hunger for knowledge from what they have learned in school. I make sure I am there not to curtail it but to cultivate their curiosity. Nobody forced millions of
          French citizens to come out to the streets; they did it because democratically
          inculcated citizenry was instilled in them from childhood.

          Similarly, the U.S. decided to make its public school free until children complete high school. But, those 12 years of education are not just about stuffing knowledge into the children, they are there learning their civic duties, their individual sovereignty, their role in the society as productive citizens. These ideas were hatched a century ago, the fruits of which we are seeing a vibrant country with full of promises.

          So, Tafla, simply put, multi-pronged approach done with care, sensitivity, and due diligence, I firmly believe Eritreans could hold their own. The politics of insult as inherited from pre-independence must be disposed. We must usher a new way of having dialogue, dialogue that does not focus on ideas and not personalities. Politics of personalities invariably end up in red herring and innuendos and are counter-productive.

          Sincerely,
          Beyan/Bayan

          • Tafla

            Dear Bayan,
            Thank you for your reply, I haven’t had the chance to read it fully yet. I hope I can find time to give you feedback soon

          • Bayan Nagash

            The pleasure is all mine, Tafla and not a problem if there is no time on your end to answer. I just felt compelled to offer a response to your sincerely and constructively constructed ideas, and as Amanuel stated, timely question.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    In Eritrea, our population is roughly equally divided into Christians and Muslims; we have also a few Animists, and Atheists. The people have learned to live in respect with each other for centuries. The current PFDJ-dictatorship is oppressive to all walks of life of Eritreans, irrespective of their religious or ethnic background. This is the general truth, though there are some claims that some Ethnic Groups are particularly targetted by the regime. The living patterns of the various beliefs is such that they live more or less in mixed geographical areas, this makes it imparactical if one is to have a system of government based on religion. This necessitates the need of a common state for all citizens that operates free of religion. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever they wish, and to preach their beliefs freely, but without force, intimidation or deceit. In this way we can have peace, harmony and continued respect among our people.

  • Hope

    Cousin Kim,
    Not sure what your point or question is but I have found Mr.Said’s Comment/Analysis/Article beyond Scientific,up-to-date,timely and very truthful as he covered most factors leading to the crisis we are witnessing..
    The dirty job of the Western Intelligence Services,the Mossad included,is NOT new.
    The western world knows quite well that ISIS is the perfect job of the Saudi Princess along with his Mossad Bosses.
    Said also addressed and Mr Mahmoud Saleh supplemented some of your concerns.
    I am looking forward to an updated and expanded version of Mr Said’s comment/analysis in an Article Format.
    I guarantee you that his Article will be a great topic for debate as his points are hot and current topics that need to be seriously addressed.
    Yes,indeed,Mr. Said sounds more than a Professor, a Political Scientist and Analyst.
    Amde,to his credit,is the ONLY one who picked up on him,positively.
    I was reading him but I was ignoring his analysis as it sounded too Analytical and too much Scientific for my level but ,now,he has proven(ed)himself to be a hidden Awatista Jewel..
    Said,please keep it up and up-grade your comments to Articles.
    Id(Ed) shenahit,tsenahit(or vice versa) is the only thing I could say about the Western Intelligence Services.
    The western world is becoming a victim of its own making and dirty job.
    Did you read the Articles about the Conspiracy behind the 9/11 and as to why the USA kept the 9/11 investigation result/info classified and fired one of its Congressmen,who protested to have an access to the classified document?
    Hint: the same Saudis and the Mossad are being implicated.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Cousin Hope,
      .
      Well cousin Hope, my point is …read Mr. Mahmud Saleh’s piece above. He said it better than I could ever do. I think Mr. Mahmud Saleh’s talk to power should be disseminated widely in the intellectual and religious circles of the faith.
      .
      I know, you, like millions of others blame the west, mostly Americans, for their actions in the middle east for all the ills. I am not here to defend the Americans actions. They have uncanny ability to mess up even when they try to do good. ( Emperor Haile Selassie once described their efforts as “Ayawkubetem” roughly meaning they don’t know how to handle things)
      .
      The central point that must not be lost in all of this is, there are a sizeable zealots, in the name of Islam who are wrecking havoc in the world, mostly in Moslem countries. They are being supported by the wealthy Saudis and other Arabs financially.
      The tacit intellectual support they get from the likes of Mr. Said by deflecting the focus from these Zealots to the easy target of the west is the usual method and is not helpful.
      .
      Finally cousin Hope, don’t fall for the pretty words and what sounds like good logic of Mr. Said. He is actually mudding up the clear water so that you can’t see through clearly.
      He is deflecting the attention being focused on these zealots to somewhere else.
      .
      These type of intellectuals come out into the public forums whenever an atrocity, like Paris, is committed and people are focusing on the problem.
      .
      I have said all I could say in one breath, if you don’t agree with what I am saying then, cousin Hope, let us agree to disagree and call it a day.
      .
      K.H
      .
      P.S Cousin Hope, don’t irritate Mr. Johar.

      • Hope

        Ok Cousin kim,
        Thank you for your advice.
        -I agree that It is good to be cautious.But it is also fair to be optimistic.
        -Hmm—“Yalteretere temenetere new yemitilegn?
        -No,not at all,I was NOT irritating SJG but challenging him in my limited capacity.
        It is fair at times to provok him so as to clarify things in plain terms as people have misunderstood him badly.
        N.B.
        Let me mention something about the “Terrorist” actions by some Extremists.
        -Tell me what you would do if what has happened to the Palestinian kids,the Iraqi kids,the Somalis,the Syrians,the Libyans,the Afghans,etc–(could have) happened,God forbid, to you and to your loved ones?
        -Zula has a point to some extent…..
        -Irrespective of his possible “hidden motivation/agenda”,Said has points as well.
        -As to the approach of the Western Powers,I disagree respectfully with your assertion and with that of Emperor Haile Silassie coz they know exactly what they are doing and as to why they are doing things.
        Remember that Double Standard is the modus operand(us)of the West Foreign Policy.
        Hint::The State Department and the Pentagon work in a parallel way or in the opposite direction albeit deliberately.
        As to the Arab Play Boys,I agree that the Royal Families and the Dictators are responsible for the most part but again,these Dictators are manipulated,directed,protected,etc–by the same Western Agents.
        Hint:
        -The Security Guards of the Saudi Royal Family and the Kings are Mossad Agents.
        -The CIA has agreed to protect the Saudi Kingdom for the last 60yrs plus to keep them in power in return to providing the USA with a guaranteed Oil Flow….and the same applies to Qatar,Bahrain,Kuwait,etc—-
        -The unemployemnt rate of the Saudis is more than 30% despite being the richest country,which in return has led to the extremist movements????
        Conclusion:
        I still agree with Prof Said’s arguement and I could have agreed more with him had he added the blame to the Arabs and their leadership.
        To be safe,I would blame both parties;or I would rather attribute the crisis to external and internal factors,as it is the case in our Eritrean situation,and as such,the approach for the solution should consider both factors,as I have argfued repeatedly with Haile TG in approaching our Eritrean propblems.

  • Kokhob Selam

    I think we should not continue discussing and giving much space like putting those painful videos. it could have been better if we go and discuss why fundamentalism is easy to control the ego. any type of extremism is easy to sink on the mind of people who are ready to accept it. what is the mechanism that makes man mad to his belief? after all, to live among human beings is the right of every man what ever his belief is. being human in it self is the first common thing that we all share.

    some of us may already gone long following the the spiritual journey which never disturb any religion but even those who follow the dogma one are not forced to do such crimes to go to heaven which in fact leads to hell. We Eritreans are still lucky of all those back-warded styles and history has confirmed us. even the Mafia group called PFDJ couldn’t drag us to unnecessary narrow tendencies.

  • said

    I am one of the 1.6 billion Muslims, nearly one quarter of the Earth’s population, who belongs to normal average class, multinational in both educational and citizenship background who is stupefied each time there is an act of violence or a crime committed by an extremely tiniest fringe outlaws stand accused and Needs to make an apology.

    Fashionable these days are acts of senseless terror carried out by fringe Islamists termed Jihadist who were long bred in the laboratories of Western Intelligence Agencies; nurtured and fattened in the kitchens of foreign sponsors, mostly Western, to advance a “Politics of Expediency” disruptive plans in the service of Western Hegemonic designs.

    Nothing of the likes of nowadays this group , often termed “Islamic Terrorists,” ever existed in the annals of the History of Islam. Never ever . When Princeton University Professor Bernard Lewis, an ardent Zionist, looked around to find parallels in the long Islamic history to the nowadays bloody and murderous phenomenon of the Jihadist Salafists – the world expert on Islam he claims he; however, all that Bernard Lewis could find was going back nearly a thousand years ago to a small splinter outlaws renowned by the name of the “Assassins.” The Assassins were a mostly duped small terrorist group – where the name “Assassins” is derived from meaning in Arabic the “Hashasheen,” i.e. the duped lot. The Assassins were started and controlled by a Zealot Muslim of the Ishmaelite Sect(Part of Shia sect) by the name of Hassan El-Sabbah. The Assassins were a secretive group sworn to blind allegiance to their leader who took refuge in a remote inaccessible mountain in Asia Minor Region of nowadays Turkey. Hassan El-Sabbah was a contemporary of the famous Persian poet philosopher Omer El-Khayyam. The Great Arab-French novelist Amin Malouf did a great justice relating to that epoch and the fictitious story of the two prominent personalities of Hassan El-Sabbah and Omar El-Khayyam in his romantic fiction novel “Samarkand,” 1988.

    The Mujahedeen movement is entirely a Western Intelligence Creation phenomenon tracing its origin to the start of the Mujahedeen Movement in the early 1980s. The Mujahedeen Movement became known as the Arab Afghans was started by the CIA with the objective of enlisting Islam as a motivator to combat the Soviet Union’s troops present in Afghanistan. The enlisting of the Mujahedeen to combat the Soviet troops in Afghanistan was intended to serving a double whammy strategic objective in President Ronald Regan Administration’s plan to bleed the Soviet Union while simultaneously engaging the Warsaw Pact in an armament race that would divert essential economic resources from civilian applications, a strategy that eventually led to the exhaustion and the fall of the Soviet Union by the closing of the decade of the 1980s.

    The Afghan Mujahedeen featuring among their prominent leaders no other than Osama Ben Laden himself as one of the Arab Afghans leaders as Mujahedeen leaders were warmly received by the Regan Administration. In one occasion President Regan posed for a commemorative group photo in the White House Oval Office with some of the Mujahedeen visiting leaders.
    After the end of the first Afghan war the well-trained Mujahedeen were abandoned by their Western sponsors as some were imprisoned and tortured once they returned to their home countries causing deep bitterness as in the example of the current leader of Al-Qaeda Ayman El-Zawaheri the Right hand man of Osama Bin Laden who was imprisoned and tortured by the Egyptian security services upon his return to Egypt from fighting the Soviet Union troops in Afghanistan.

    After their years of estrangements and alienation after the end of the First Afghan war, the Mujahedeen under the command of Osama Bin Laden regrouped again in Afghanistan helping the Taliban to gain power and rule the country. The Mujahedeen of the so-called Arab Afghan then began the organization of the “Al-Qaeda” Movement with broadened plans and ambitions.

    In the more recent years, the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq in 2003 provided the fertile grounds with the ensuing chaos; the abundance of abandoned weaponry for the Mujahedeen to expand their field combat training developing and enhance their assertive presence in Iraq as the war against the Anglo-American presence was raging. The fighters ambitions were further expanded to seeking to the creation of a long sought after their national state, that would anew be governed under the laws of Al-Sharia, the Islamic Jurisprudence.

    Like many Failed states over so many decades in some Arab countries, causing waste of national resources and inequitable distribution of wealth with rampant corruption beside maintaining an oppressive dictatorial rule resulted in wide spread poverty and fast widening gap between the selective few Haves and the great majority of the populations of the Have NOTs.

    Worsening socio-economic conditions and the senseless civil wars in Syria, Iraq and Libya that were mostly inspired by the intervention of the Western powers offered a serendipitous Bonanza for the newly created Jihadists, with the ensuing problems , generous funding and supply of weaponry by the Western powers’ allies, with the full consent backing and consent of the US Administration and the other Western powers who were intent on changing by force the bloody dictorship of Assad Regime in Syria and the dictatorship of Qaddafi Rule in Libya; all this after rendering Iraq a splintered nation that only added to the multiplication of the new modern era Jihadist.

    That is the genesis and the origin of the tiniest fringe group that some of their apparent recruits stormed three days ago the offices in Paris, France, of the French publication “Charlie Hebdo.”

    Notwithstanding the increasing number of young volunteers joining the movements in the Arab worlds. The number of these including their sympathizers among Arabs a is never exceeding, in the wildest of estimates, hundreds of thousands .When measured against the number of the total populations of mainstream Islamic countries counting roughly 1.5 billion to 1.6 billion Muslims, the number of group remains so insignificant that could never represent in the worst case scenario of more than 0.01% of the total world’s Muslim population.
    However, despite the above facts, Islam and Muslims stand accused by Western propagandists as at the source of “Rising World Terrorism” and the security ills bewildering the world. This while overlooking the recent historic facts of the terrible role played and continues to be played by the Western polity in paving the grounds for the rise of the so-called fringe Islamic by short-sighted policies and poorly conceived strategies.

    Muslims, possibly of all mankind, like their brethren in humanity are generally guided and are generally observant of high moral principles and enshrined family values as most attested to by the collective conduct and temperament of Muslim Europeans and Western Muslims. Violence, criminal conduct and terrorism are the very exception involving a relatively small disenfranchised minority among the large Muslim populations.
    Muslim scholars and academics; successful scientists and professionals; leading business men and business women; Muslim institution builders are in many cases at par even surpass some of their successful Western counterparts. Islamic Civilization is testament and one of the greatest human civilizations that greatly contributed to the rise of modern Western sciences and technological discoveries.
    However, sadly true that worsening economic, political and security conditions in the Middle Eastern region, including what Israel represents as a security challenge and a source of permanent humiliation to generally proud Arab populations, are bound to still give impetus to the rise and the strengthening of the many movements. This, as Islamic jurisprudence long left lacking for centuries in keeping pace with the requisites of modern life and the need readjust to life and world changing realities. The endurance of these anomalies without a serious and a genuine plan of redressing them would increasingly cause these Islamic Movements to grow in the absence of viable alternatives of meaningful balanced developments, effective programs for the eradication of poverty and improved living conditions.
    Nevertheless, notwithstanding to the adherence to free thinking, as a Muslim I do not feel apologetic for crimes committed by misguided tiniest group in as much an average American or a Christian American would feel apologetic for a crime committed by a deranged Timothy McVeigh carrying a terrorist attack against innocent victims in the Oklahoma City Bombing of April 19, 1995.
    Having said that, the truth remains that short of a genuine Western and the Muslim sincere cooperation in facing up to the socio-economic challenges and the need to start on a new different paradigm to facing the endemic challenges the fringe group pose to both worlds, security solutions alone would never provide the answer alone as they would be very short-lived.
    The West needs to start from a radically different Paradigm to circumvent and eradicate the rising threat of the fringe Phenomenon. The Western Powers need to dramatically and radically change habits, the long old ways starting from a totally complete Package to addressing, radically and non-opportunistically, the enduring strategic problems including forcing peace to Israel to heed and fully abide by the International Law. In this “Global Village” world the Muslims and the Western World are facing a common threat that both need to symbiotically, genuinely and urgently address with open dialogue and frank exchanges with very well-defined Framework of Principles. The West and the Muslim PEOPLE need to build mutual trust based on recognized and observed universal values and work towards common goals that would promote the genuine interests and the wellbeing of both peoples and for the rest of the world .

    • haileTG

      Thank you brother Said, that was very educational piece.

      Regards

      • Bayan Nagash

        Allow me to second HTG’s motion. Indeed, this deserve a post of its own. Well, contextualized historical analysis – thanks Said, you made my Sunday brother!

        • said

          thank you

      • said

        Many thanks. I take it at heart .

      • said

        Thank you and appreciate your comments

    • Nitricc

      good concluding remarks but you better know and understand as long the USA baby sitting Israel and Arming Israel there is not going to be peace in that region. slice it all you want but ISIS is the product of US invading Iraq for the sake of Israel. Israel wanted US to overthrow Sadam, and the US went in under bogus weapons of mass distraction.
      my point is if US didn’t invade Iraq, there is no ISIS. that region is doomed.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ustaz Said;
      Thank you for that expansive analysis; I feel I have to add a couple of points to your great expose. I really think it deserves a place in the front page (AT may contact you if they need some refining).
      Muslims have so far been caught in this cycle of defensive actions; we have become reactive instead of acting proactively. There are two familiar reactions of Muslims after every massacre committed by idiot fanatics in the name of Islam.
      1. Islam is for peace, this does not represent us
      2. The USA and Israel created these monsters (Afgan Mujahididn, alQaEda, the Palestines’ plight and similar situations are mentioned)
      Both are true. But both also have been exacerbated by Muslim dictators and financiers, hence, only the half part is raised while explaining these atrocities. The point is:
      a. The mosters are within us (from Saudi wahabi financiers, to dictators to corrupt Palestinian politician- starting from the late Arafat- just think how many opportunities they have missed to lessen their sucrifices and optimize their gains. They were better in 1948 than 1967, better in 1967 than in 1983, better in 1993 thAN TODAY. Everytime they miss an opportunity ( a better deal), they are deminishing the return they get from any future negatiation). The history of Saudi money in financing CIA projects in Afagan, and now in Syria and else where is well known, add to it Gulf States like Qatar. Muslim dictators from the Sudan to the Gulf to Balad alsham created a symbiotic relations with Islamic scholars ( encouraging the corrupted ones and beheading the moderate ones) so that religious edicts serve their stay in power, religious interpretations serve their diactatorial regimes…etc. Frankly, where are alazhar scholars when the Pope is openly discussing the issues?
      b. Therefore, the time has come we stopped blaming every massacre to the making of outsiders and enemies of Muslims; we should look inward, examine ourselves and say “enough trading in my name.” It’s time we standup to these criminals. Nothing explains the carnage and havoc they are creating in the Middle East, Afganistan, Nigeria, Somalia and Pakistan (predominantly Muslim), and nothing explains what they did in Paris. We have to stop making excuses and condemn these actions unequivocally ( I’m not saying you are making excuses, it’s for the general public). We need to teach our kids the right way, we need to challenge militant Friday Sermons, etc. I don’t blame NTSA if I am profiled in an airport; because, doing otherwise would be idiotic. Who is commiting these atrocities, and hwo is most likely to carry on an act of terror in this era? Therefore, I would like to stress more on what’s missing from the responsibility dimension of the equation. Muslims need to take the initiative in alienating these murderers.
      The other point is the role of mass media. Carnages in Afganistan, Iraq, syria…Nigeria have become common scenes. The media has no appetite in giving it proper attention (may be no commerial incentives or religious and ideological barriers); thus, has failed narrating them fairly and giving Muslims the credit they deserve. Because it is Muslims who are in the forefront battling these extremists. What’s missing is an inttelectual awakening, a media revolution discussing these issues openly without the fear of losing one’s head, or the fear of religioyus castigation.

      • farnelo

        … thanks for spelling out the inconvenient truth Said overlooked or has not highlighted.

        Just like there is a collective Eritrean failure to remove PIA there is a collective Islamawi failure to deal with these savage extrimists raging havoc over innocent lives in the name of Islam.

      • said

        Thank you for your in-depth comments and I agree with most of your comment, the answer to violence is Islamic peace and harmony . The answer to Islamic bigotry is Islamic democracy and pluralism, and that’s why you put the onus on the Muslim community at large and i agree with you . I do not agree with you in regard Israel. There was never peace proposal on the table ,All kind of Negotiation for negotiation sake ,it is common knowledge no need to comment in length In Israel, which has been at war with all its neighbors since its illegitimate birth of illegal land-grab, and continuing to grab land which has led to the largest eviction of Palestinian native an indigenous people from their ancestral homeland, I do have to tell you ,you know better all kind of extremists political parties have been in power for ages in Israel land scape . Truly, each subsequent government has been more extreme than the one it replaced extreme to the right . Thus, peace in the holy land remains far away dream and an illusion!

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan ustaz Said
          Thanks. I do agree with your take. As you, for sure, experience it, it’s very difficult for someone to collect hi/her thoughts and come up with a comprehensive message when they are under time pressure. I wanted to highlight the failure of Palestine leadership. Otherwise, I agree with you on the other side of the equation, which is the illegal occupation of Palestinian land and the refusal of Israel to heed international calls and resolutions. Thank you for highlighting that point.

  • Nitricc

    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
    don’t run away from the fact and deal with it. it is reality. leave on AT. it is a fact religion is the source of everything.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Beyan,

    It isn’t easy to moderate each comment and act on them immediately. But this disturbing image of inhumanity has more than 24 hrs hanging on the website. I can’t believe why the AT let it to stay on the website this long – at the website we consider it the site of enlightenment. Let me join to you and Hope to call AT to remove this image of barbarism for the sake of decency and Humanity.
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Abinet

    Unless there are moderators for each and every one commenting and posting in this site, how is it possible to filter comments.
    The best solution,if we think we are mature and responsible adults, is to moderate ourselves .
    I hope the moderators will give you a better response.

  • haileTG

    Sami, what is the point of responding before getting what the exchange is all about? Please follow what we have exchanged with hope and tell me something you disagree with.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Please leave religion to where it belongs: the individuals’ choices, the places of worship, and organizations that work with charities. Period. No need of mixing religion with politics; especially in societies like that of ours that are made of various religious groups.

  • Hope

    Let us have a break and push harder for a Constitutional Governance and challenge the beast.
    Leave aside the Kemish Adey hanquiluni” excuses..
    “ኣይደስክል። ኣይንጠልጠል፡ ኣይቀየር ኣይኰነን።
    ምኽኑይ ወይ ዘይምኽኑይ ክኸውን’ውን ይኽአል ግን..ንምንታይ እዚ ኩሉ ሕብእብእ? ንምንታይ ጉዙፍ ሃገራዊ ጉዳያት ብደረጃ ኣዋጅ ዘይግለጸ?
    ዘይእወጅ?
    ቃል ፕረዚደንት ሓበረታ’ምበር ኣዋጅ ክኸውን ኣይክእልን!
    ንምንታይ እዚ ኩሉ ሕብእብእ?
    በየናይከ ክንተሓታተት፡
    ከመይ ገይርናኸ ንመጻኢ ክንኣምን?
    ባይቶ አኪብካ ዝጸደቐን ከም ዝጸደቐ ዝተኣወጀን ቁዋም።
    መን ኣይሃሉ በለ? መን ሞይቱ እዩ በለ?
    መፈንቀል መንግስቲ?
    ናይ ህጹጽ/አሚርጀንሲ ኣዋጅ?ቃለ-ምሓትት ፕረዚደንት ኢሰያስን ካብ ተደናገጽቲ መንግስቲ ከይተረፈ ዝለዓል ዘሎ ሕቶታትን።
    “ቅዋም ከም ዘየለ ኩሉ ሰብ ስለ ዝፈልጦ፡ ናይ ቀደም ቅዋም ነይሩ፡ ሞይቱ፡ ተንሲኡ. . . ክብለካ ኣይደልን እየ።” ፕረዚደንት ኢሰያስ።
    (ሰበ-ስልጣን ኤርትራ ቁዋም ኣለና ክብሉ ይስምዑ ነይሮም።
    ኣየናይ እቲ ሓቂ? ድሕሪ ሕጂ መን እዩ እቲ ሓቂ ክጸውየና። አዋጅ ያለ፡ ዕላዊ ናይ ጽሑፍ መግለጺ የለ…)”
    Courtesy of Meskerem.Net,a website claimed to be Pro-PFDJ!

  • Hope

    Please provide your source as to where and when Christians exterminated Muslims in such a horrifying way.
    Becareful…
    I wil pursue this allegation and I will challenge the AT for allowing this video as if Christians are acting like this.
    The AT:
    If you keep saving this video,it will be considered as a propaganda against Christians and you will be held responsible for endorsing this video and allegation,as much as you did/endorsed the Ali Salim style Jihad Declaration against Christians and Highlanders.
    To mess around as such and in such a way in the name of Opinion and Freedom of Speech is but beyond illegal.

    • Zula

      Dear Hope
      If you have not heard of the genocides that I mentioned I won’t be surprise as everyone is selective in their news consumption. This is not an allegation but a reality that Muslims succumb to genocide. You have to face the reality you cannot just put it under the rag for ever.

      I will give you the following more links for your to ponder about and leave the rest to you.
      CAR = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwAZ7AQ-1Y
      CAR = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X_dy2W_YAU
      CAR = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VZdJSEd9c
      BURMA = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiT3xZ8HGHQ

      • Hope

        Zula,
        These are NOT Christians exterminating Muslims but this is Ethnic based genocide.Stop labeling these as Christians.

        • Zula

          Hi Hope
          It is your prerogative to believe it or not as I said earlier, I just had to provide you the evidence you requested me, I don’t expect more than that. However you have to call a spade for what it is “A SPADE”. You can’t just misrepresent the fact and call it other things.

          By the way, do you know the so called NOBEL prize winner human right and democracy advocate Aung San Suu Kyi on the Burma genocide to reporters, “the Muslim Rohingya Burmese could not be regarded as Burmese citizens”. Is this not this a double standard for someone proclaiming to be a human right activist. It is like calling Beja or Tigregna are not Eritreans just because they also exist on the other side of the countries boarder.
          Peace

    • haileTG

      Hi Hope,

      In the Bosnian crisis, Serb Christians massacred Moslems. The scene of the worst extermination attempt was Srebrenica .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ByR0oFIFpc

      • guest

        instead of accusing christian or Muslims why don’t you tell us about the mastermind of the massacre? who is behind those genocides ? in my opinion politician like you, natric and saay need to tell us who is behind those genocides. real politicians or wannabes.

      • Hope

        Haile,
        I get your point but,again,it is purely a Political Statement.How can one kill people and claim to be a Christian?
        There is only one justification to do so: When you are threatened about your life and Faith–and the Gospel allows that; and that was the whole rationale/spirit of the Midieval Crusade” albeit wrongly done.
        There was a reason as to why I mentioned the Irish Civil War.It has NOTHING to do with —“Christianity” per se but with ego and ambition,etc…the same applies for the Serbia issue.
        Again,I am talking about Christianity and Islam from Faith Point of view,not from Religion(Political point of view).
        Do you know why the Christians are being labeled as “Abid or kafir”?It is simply coz the so called “christians(with small “s”)do bot practise their Faith and hence,Christianity is being judged by its followers’ immoral acts rather than by its Principles and we have to avoid that as much as we are being advised to avoid the judgement that Islam is NOT represented by the Fanatic Fundamentalists.–aka,the ISIS,Al Qaeda,etc….
        Again,the risk of bringing this issues out weighs the benefit of bringing up the issue,specially when we know what to be done.–and more specially when we deal with “intolerant people”–from both sides.
        is that a sign of a failure/desperation in the struggle against the PFDJ Oppression?
        What the heck has this issue to do with fighting the PFDJ,the source of all these presumed evil things?I guess the PFDJ might have done a better job on this issue.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          ብሓቂ ክፉእ ሰብ። አረ ሕንከት ዝበሃል’ኮ ኣሎ ዩ ንነገሩ። ናትካ ጊን ቃላት እኮ’የ ዘይረኸብክሉ::

          ክፉእ ሰብ ብሓቂ

          • Hope

            tes,
            Rather than throwing words here and there,re-read my comment and explain to me as to why I am this and that.
            Challenge my arguement,not my persona,.
            Yours is a unique Intellectual bankrubtsy.A Ph.D Candidate acting like this?
            Never heard of!!

      • Bayan Nagash

        Selam HTG,

        What is your viewpoint on the clip that Hope is challenging AT to remove, Haile? If we begin to scratch our wounds, for one reason or another, anyone can bring forth the opposite camp to prove their point. I would like to know Haile what point and message are you trying to send here. Just because we find legitimate source, does it mean it conveys the kind of message we want conveyed?

        I know you are prolific writer, rigorous researcher (gathering from important sources that you share with Awate readers), and masterful at debating. I have, time and again, said it whenever I read your posts I couldn’t help but wish you go out there change the opposition landscape and help it in the process of effecting change. But, I am sure you have your reasons for not openly doing that. At any rate,

        HTG, I trust you will address the questions I raise above not with the intent of winning the argument, for I know you can dance and swim in the language without having the need to stumble into another or need a life jacket to survive the wave, as my favorite song goes, with your face above the water and your feet without needing to touch the ground. In less than three minutes you can hear this tantalizing music and voice and lyrics to complement it. Please don’t drift away on those of us who see hope in individuals like you.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a5WyAjL1MM

        • haileTG

          Dear Beyan,

          Nice to hear from you brother. The recent escalation of rifts among various ideologues here made your wise interventions badly missed:) In this one, I would assure you, there won’t be any word game from me. I will answer directly the question you asked Beyan (usually I have a rule that I must directly answer the question asked before moving on. I tend to stick to it 95% of the time:)

          “What is your viewpoint on the clip that Hope is challenging AT to remove, Haile?”

          If the particular video is deemed below acceptable threshold here at the AT, then it should be removed. I also completely agree that it has graphic and disturbing content that I would not show my kids. Hence, my stand is clear.

          Hope, however, did something more than challenging the AT on the video. He went on his usual troll of making false, generalized and ill intended accusations against the AT. In effect, he is even alluding that the above article is part of AT attempt to wage propaganda war against sections of our country. This goes deeper into my political belief that the psychology of fear must be broken. We ought to forge alliances by shared interests and not fears. This is why I selected a credible video for hope than the facebook/youtube sensational clip posted by zula. Those types of clips are awash in youtube, they are intended to hoard view numbers rather than develop political view points. There are far far too many of those in youtube. My clip goes to the heart of the debate and credible factors that need consideration. We have Guantanamo, we have Abu Ghriab… There is the profiling and screening that go on on daily bases, the media barrage and terrorist labeling.

          For good or for worse Eritrea is multi faith nation. We need to talk and communicate and create opportunities for discrediting wrong headed ideas. The writer of the above article, big headed that he appears, talked about “playing outside the boundary”, little did he know that the seclusion for which he is referring the boundary of is tiny and full of like minded delusional maniacs. Brother Mahmuday gave him a piece of his mind above, and that opportunity is presented by the fact that the article was made available. That breaks fear, that forges alliances of common interests and that reinforces our age old harmony.

          You see Beyan, I was mostly addressing hope’s take that there is some sort of threat contrived by AT against Eritreans, and true to his HGDEF nature, he went on to tell us PFDJ is doing better!! Even my friend Saay ( although I avoided answering because I do understand the constitution related anger he is going through (which I condemned the killing of:))said that “wait and see what the Islamists have in store” and how decentralization and power sharing will send them into an orgy of violent indulgence. If that is not a typical fear merchant then what would be considered one? How does taking ensure peace and sharing help create war? If such tendency ever existed, why did these people wait until they get power sharing or self rule? Can’t they do it now? yesterday? the day before yesterday? Again, just like hope wanted to sell us to the devil by saying PFDJ did better, saay wanted us to believe the PFDJ thieves and scoundrels are our reformed salvation from the monsters he claims to be lurking behind the scene. He almost told us those are the once who are paying the most. Well, in the diaspora PFDJ may have support and sympathy but not in Eritrea. Saay knows about “deqi ayni mear” yet he wanted us to believe 400,000 Eritreans that have been uprooted are PFDJ!! No, PFDJ have villas, they travel, they live off money stolen from national coffers. Tegadelti are not PFDJ and their issue different. There are tegadelti PFDJ however.

          So, Beyan, I was opposing the drive to silence communication. The reason being that such atmosphere of imposed silence is a favorable market environment for those who wish to sell us phony arguments. It was not the video per se, to be honest with you, I usually don’t click on such sensational youtube simply made to shock or thrill as the case may be. But hope was making more than just disagreeing with posting such a video, and was attempting to justify the unjustifiable rather.

          regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hailat,
            Hope always make wild accusation to AT or anyone else. He has the message of his organization. But we can’t allow such disturbing barbaric image we call it home of education and hopefully home of reconciliation. We must segregate the issue of Hope’s insane argument and the perception/fears that comes from the clip Video. The video should be relegated to oblivion and dumped to a historical garbage bin. Hailat we have the option to handle the “issue of Hope” and the of the issue of the “video clip” separately. When you debate on them as one context, it will sound as if you are condoning the act. Your debate are sound and has a firm stand, making people’s interest at center and justice for all. That is so far commendable. Just try to separate issues to avoid the misunderstanding of the public.
            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            GM Mr Haile TG:
            Ustaz Beyan Negash knew ahead of time that you might twist things and advised you to avoid manipulatining and twisting things and issues ;and despite his brotherly advice,you ignored it.Kudos to you.
            “be’al amel amelu eyihadig,we-debir akanu”-yiblu our Tigrayit people.
            For the record, here is what I said and what I meant:
            -The Article is unfair and it is NOT the right time to bring up such a kind of issues at this moment,rather,it is time to narrowen our differences,put aside our difference,grudges,revenges,personal issues and sit down for a geniuine National Reconciliation.
            As to The Video Clip:
            -I have protested legitimately that the Video Clip is unfair and alarming to be posted as is in this Forum
            -That the Video Clip does NOT,I repeat,”DOES NOT”, represent Christianity and Christians and as such,it is beyond derogatory and it should be removed automatically;but if not removed and is going to be saved here with the full knowledge of the AT,It WILL BE CONSIDERED and/or misunderstood as a propaganda against Christianity…..and guess what ?Unitl this second–on Jan 1,2015,at 10:45 AM Mountain time,that nasty video clip is sitting there.There should be a reason for that….at least to make us Christians mad and to know the consequences and feelings of what Muslims feel when such things happen to Islam or Muslims.
            -As to the Article:
            -The Author has a mission for sure and the article is one-sided,provocative,insulting and arrogant by all standard.I know the Article is NOT written by the AT and my protest is against the original Author BUT—I will tell you this:
            -Irrespective of the AT’s stand ,it is my opinion and understanding that the AT will share some responsibility for endorsing and posting such a kind of Articles and Video Clips fully knowing its negative impact on one segment of our Society.I gave you the example of the Ali Salim style Jihad Declaration on the Highlanders and Christians and its serious negative impact on the target population,expressed overwhelmingly over the last few yrs and still being expressed besides leading to serious mistrust among Eritreans.
            Let me be blunt here:
            Per the perception and impression of the target population,the infamous Ali Salim Article was considered as a “Terrorist Threat” against the Highlanders and Christians,which was literally and officially endorsed by the TPLF Gang,even as a Policy against Eritrea!!!!.And the HAILE TG seems to have endorsed it as well by being silent and indifferent to the TPLF Gang Endorsement of the Policy.Kudos to you.Sir!!!
            And knowing fully about this impact,rather than trying to heal the wounds and narrowing the gap and working for a Geniuine National Reconciliation as per its Slogans,the same AT is posting similar unpleasant Articles like”Islamists vs Crusaders” and only to be followed by this nasty Article,which seems to be a “Follow up Article” as the introduction depicts.
            And kwoning all these FACTS,you are labeling me as a PFDJite.
            I have said what I have said based on what I feel and have observed.
            If you have the courage,rather than challenging and addressing my legitimate concerns,you have conveniently kept labeling me like this and that..besides name-callings.And what would you feel if I tell you that you are an “Akatari”???
            I have no clue who the heck you are but I know the AT well at the level of having a “Blood Relationship” and I “owe’ this website and it belonged to me originally.
            I am expressing by proxy, the feeling and perceptions/impressions of some Eritreans so that the AT could have some understanding and to be sensitive so as to modify its approach and the way it is relaying its MESSAGE in a fair way .
            The Truth should be expressed in a persuasive and reconciliatory manner,NOT in the unpleasant and ” divisive” way.
            As to ‘Silencing Communication”:
            Sir,that is NOT my purpose but to express my concerns that the Communication should be in a persuasive,non-divisive,reconciliatory and diplomatic way.
            There is ONE point you might be missing:
            Some of the AT Audience might take take things at a face value and can act as such in a negative way.I am sure you understand what I am saying.
            You seem to be a lawyer the way you are defending your client by presenting twisted arguements so as to convince the Jury.
            Right now,the FOCUS should be to work hard to bring a Real Change for a Constitutional Governance in Eritrea through a United approach,NOT through a divisive approach and Ethno-Religious and Region based Politics.
            Right now,in my opinion,it is NOT the “Time for Blunt Discussionon Region and Religion”.But the time for a “Genuine National Reconciliation”.
            My worry is that this article came up after the EPDP(The Eritrean Peoples’Democratic Party-the Solo Party for Real Change)posted a very Patriotic Editorial against Region and Religion based Politics.
            As to PFDJ Support:
            You have NO right to label me or to threaten me or persuade me as to who to support or to curse,sir.Just be yourself.
            My stand is clear…..

          • Hope

            Read Jan 1 as Jan 11,2015—
            -Read as :”It is NOT the time for a “Blunt Discussionon on Region and Religion”

          • haileTG

            Hi hope,

            So, you want to put words to Beyan’s comment and consider instead it is me twisting!!!

            I have a fool proof way to avoid being accused of twisting things (actually it only the hgdefites who accuse of that):

            1 – I copy and paste the person’s question

            2 – Immediately under it I give direct response.

            3 – Beyond that point, the person can continue to read my opinion or just read my direct answer and pass up on my additional opinion.

            Aren’t you the one who runs away from questions? You told us PFDJ is better in this, despite the PFDJ using religion to the max. The Forto 2013 incident was PFDJ’s callous display of its irresponsibility. Now, explain why PFDJ is better in this, hope?

            Regards

          • Hope

            Haile TG:
            -That is your style and keep it to yourslef-I never run away from questions
            -Challenge and accuse the PFDJ,NOT me,if you have the GUT and the Courage!
            -I am an Independent Eritrean Citizen..BUT I will support the GoE/PFDJ when it/they need to be supported….until a better option to be supported is available
            -PFDJ is better so far with NO alternative so far for keeping Eritrea safe and Sovereign State both from the Northern and the Southern Terrorists
            -The GoE/PFDJ is the Inko/ONLY “Regime” or Power,who has kept away the terrorists(Ethiopia is safe coz of the PFDJ Security Apparatus,hence,PIA is protected as such by the TPLF)
            -The PFDJ was the one,which/who chased Osama bin Ladin and who froze the activities of his agent in the Sudan,and therefore,the PFDJ is BETTER by any standard on this regard.

        • Dear Beyan and HaileTG,
          Apologies for the distressing video clip; as Amanuel wrote, it is very difficult to moderate each and every comment.

          But just like Beyan wanted to know HaileTG’s view on the clip, we would like to know Beyan’s view on the accusation that Hope leveled against AT?

          • Bayan Nagash

            Dear AT,

            “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss
            events; small minds discuss people.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

            I refuse to get dragged in discussing personalities, more so
            when pseudonyms are involved. The reason I addressed HTG is because I respect his ideas, his reasoning, and his line of thinking.

            To my knowledge HTG is not part of AT, and AT can defend itself capably without needing my version of defense. After all, no personal attacks can be defended, in my book. If Hope personally attacked the AT, then he/she deserves rebuke.

            My issue was with a particular video clip; at last check, it
            remains on the comment section, that’s all. The only reason I addressed my note to Hope is because it so happened the note that was penned by Hope dealt with the same topic for which I came to pen mine this morning.

            Notice my refraining to use personal pronouns, an indication of not knowing the gender of Hope, which meant I seldom read those who use pennames other than select few whose ideas I admire, such as Horizon, Serray, and the like.

            BN

          • Thanks Beyan, you are right. How could one miss great minds! Our apologies.

          • Nitricc

            BN

            you said ” I seldom read those who use pen names” how do you know Haile is his real name? it could be a nick as well, no? my point is, don’t you think you should read all ideas regardless who writes and originates them? i mean it is your choice but as learned man, you could have encouraged all ideas should be read.

          • haileTG

            Nitricc, he said some pennames! Horizon and serray are the others. Now who is haile? hmmm…the point was ideas not people remember:-)

          • Nitricc

            hahahaha Haile, lol no, that wasn’t my intention. i don’t really care who Haile is as long as i am learning and getting something out of him. so, it is all about idea. that is the exact reason i replayed to Beyan. my point is we should not get in to name and who is who, lets concentrate on the idea, meaning read everything. so, it is all about the idea not who said it. some times an idea could come from me, 🙂 so that is the idea lol

          • Hope

            Ahelnbeyan,
            Let me correct you here.
            I did not intend or will intend to accuse anyone here but tried to challenge the AT and Said.
            Read what I said rather than —–Plus,I am not here to be read by people for my Good or bad ideas but mainly to express my opinion and to learn.
            Moreover,I believe you have a right and prob an obligation as well,to read people and give them feedback,the core principle of a decent Debate and Forum,like this one here,unlike the Tesfanews or Madote ones,where people eat each other with vulgar languages.
            I would expect the AT to consider and challenge my concerns,my alleged accusations,etc–and try to teach me or correct me rather than being “defensive”.
            BTW,who said that the AT, or the awate.com and its Fora(Forum members) are PERFECT?

  • Hope

    Hello All,
    Here is my opinion on this obsolete and old-styled Ethno-Relogious and Region Politics.
    Please,forget this nonsense of Region and Religion.It is an old “Science and Politics”.
    Under the current Regime,NO ONE is free and everyone is oppressed,.In fact,the Christians and the Highlanders are even worse victims.
    Unless there is a hidden agenda,there is no need and there is NO room to waste our time to discuss about Region and Religion.
    if we have to discuss about it,the only subject should be about the “New Constituion” to make sure it is fair,inclusive,balanced,etc—“.
    I.e.to make sure that all Eritreans are equal under the Constitution;and Religion and State Affairs should be separated with No ambiguity.
    To discuss about Region and Religion while the Nation is collapsing will only expedite the Collapse of the Nation and the people.
    Talking about the Islamists and Crusaders at this time is but destructive.
    This is NOT the time to express old grudges in the name of Region and Religion.
    It should have been the Christians,who should have talked about Religious persecution at this time.
    If we have to be honest,it is the Christians and the Highlanders on whom Jihad was declared by this same website through proxy via the “Notorious Islamist” Ali salim.
    It is the Christians and the Highlanders on whom a “genocide war” was declared by the Weyanes,since the Highlanders and the Christians are the “Back Bone of the Nation called Eritrea,at least in the mind set of the Weyane Gang and per its declaration as recent as 3-4 yrs ago.
    Hence,I only consider this topic of Region and Religion Topic as the continuation of the TPLF’s final and desperate call to destroy Eritrea.

  • said

    In this original and illuminating book, Denise A. Spellberg reveals a little-known but crucial dimension of the story of American religious freedom—a drama in which Islam played a surprising role. In 1765, eleven years
    before composing the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson bought a Qur’an. This marked only the beginning of his lifelong interest in Islam, and he would go on to acquire numerous books on Middle Eastern languages, history,and travel, taking extensive notes on Islam as it relates to English common law. Jefferson sought to understand Islam notwithstanding his personal disdain for the faith, a sentiment prevalent among his Protestant contemporaries in
    England and America. But unlike most of them, by 1776 Jefferson could imagine Muslims as future citizens of his new country.

    Based on ground-breaking research, Spellberg compellingly recounts how a handful of the Founders, Jefferson foremost among them, drew upon Enlightenment ideas about the toleration of Muslims (then deemed the
    ultimate outsiders in Western society) to fashion out of what had been a purely speculative debate a practical foundation for governance in America. In this way, Muslims, who were not even known to exist in the colonies, became the
    imaginary outer limit for an unprecedented, uniquely American religious pluralism that would also encompass the actual despised minorities of Jews and Catholics.
    The rancorous public dispute concerning the inclusion of Muslims, for which principle Jefferson’s political foes would vilify him to the end of his life,thus became decisive in the Founders’ ultimate judgment not to establish a
    Protestant nation, as they might well have done.

    As popular suspicions about Islam persist and the numbers of American Muslim citizenry grow into the millions, Spell berg’s revelatory understanding of this radical notion of the Founders is more urgent than ever.
    Thomas Jefferson’s Qur’an is a timely look at the ideals that existed at our country’s creation, and their fundamental implications for our present and future. The writings of Bart D. Ehrman, possibly the American foremost New
    Testament scholar, currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill whose name is quoted in the article in the Link below.

    Ehrman books, including: 1) “Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why;” and, 2) “Lost
    Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths we never knew.”

    The author who proved a very prolific writer separating,through rigorous and well-researched scientific scrutiny – as possibly one of the world’s foremost authority on the Bible – Myth from historical reality, the wheat from the chafe.

    Most recently, another Professor of religions at University of California, Reza Aslan, published a thrilling best seller “Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth” that debunks Historical Jesus from
    the accretions of the sedimentations of myth.

    No living author,including Karen Armstrong, surpasses the scholarly works and the authority of Bart D. Ehrman on the Bible. So, shouldn’t come as a surprise to us to read untold revelations by Thomas Jefferson’s on the Bible as elaborated in the article in the Link below. Jefferson was an exceptionally enlightened thinker who was instrumental on putting together America’s still observed, more than two centuries after, “The Declaration of Independence.”

    http://www.salon.com/2014/12/03/thomas_jefferson_vs_the_bible_what_americas_founding_father_really_thought_about_religion_partner/

    • Amde

      Hi Said

      I always something new from you. Interesting post. Thanks

      Amde

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates !

    Do you think any Tigrian or any state of Tigray or any other person
    and and any other state can have the and show the richness of
    political statesmanship and political wealth as an Eritrean and Eritrea
    as a foremost state….I mean without hiding under the grab Ethiopia.
    Can any state and its citizen can come up and show his credentials
    for leadership and statesmanship as Eritrean is and Eritrea.
    Surely Eritrea deserves to lead the other nations and Eritreans deserve
    to lead Ethiopia as a union of all the states.
    It seems the Federal country was against itself and dehaydrating by precluding
    and shunning the leadership role that can be played by its citizens just only on
    political bias.
    Ethiopia has committed a grave mistake of strangulating itself to bleeding and death
    for over 3 decades just trying to keep away and curtail Eritreans and the wealth of skills
    they bring in to modernize its politics and administration based on its vainly erroneous and
    faulty blueprint of nation building that ultimately lead to collapse and suffering of its people.
    BIG LOSS FOR MANY DECADES.
    That is why today citizens of the rest states feel shame to say he/she is from Tigray, Amhara,
    South or other , other than hiding under Ethiopian which everyone else is. They are not as confident
    as an Eritrean to mention his home state of origin first and our common homeland second…..they just
    jump to Ethiopian which all of us are we.
    So Proud of Eritrean Ethiopians…………..!!!!!! They are examplary to everyone from all states !!!

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Je suis Charlie!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O-2klyE80w

    I express my solidarity with the French people.

  • Saleh Johar

    Guest, have you considered helping by taking the task of translation, since you believe its important to do so? Or you have in mind someone who should do it for you? The last sentence in the intro appeals to people like you who are bilingual to help. I believe you can help.

    • guest

      Selamta br. Saleh Johar. Though i’m not fluent in english, i can try my best in translating the interview. I need to read the transcript; please provide me that in the arabic section of awate.com or farajat.net.
      jazakallah.

      • Saleh Johar

        Guest,

        Script? There is no script. Just what you hear in the video. It is all modest attempt and no resources for closed captioning like the big media houses.

  • guest

    What should be translated first and foremost is the arabic interview of br. SALEH JOWHAR with Eri Adal which prompted the obovementioned article by br. Muhammad Idrees Genadela. The controversy started from THAT interview, though i admit i couldnt listen to the whole arabic interview for some technical difficulty on my gadget.
    So, please, for the sake of faireness, translate the arabic interview into english, so we can have the whole picture of what was said and counter said.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all
    Thank you AT for translating this; it’s important that we all become aware of chatters going on in different media rooms. We will be judged by how we react to provocative and sometimes testing ideas.
    Dear Ganadela (author):
    1. “Judge” Saleh has been around and we can digest his writings, no need for translation
    2. Eritrea happens to be a land of many religions, therefore, no one is good for all. No one is fairer for all.
    3. Justice could only be served uniformly and without religious biases to all in a secular state; even that’s under the watch of empowered citizens.
    4. If you really care about Islam, or if you think you defend it better than Gadi, you will have to spend your spare time in exposing the radicals who are bent to make the world under their black flag. They have already claimed several Eritrean youngsters fighting under their despicable bloody ideology. Any rational muslim would prioritize dealing these deadly breads over poor secularists like “judge” Saleh, who haven’t campaigned other than for ensuring a fair shot for all. .
    5. Let’s now be more clear: In an era when the Pope is speaking and defending Muslims’ rights more than its clerics, it’s absurd to try to be seen as the protector of Islam. Dear Gandala, the Muslim world is in a shameful quagmire, you will need to do more than character assassination of a decent man who has wrote about the plight of Muslim and Christian Eritreans alike. Be brave enough to condemn terrorist ideology that’s ravaging the Muslim world.
    6. The time has come that Muslim take lead at condemning all types of prejudices and genocidal ideologies. First thing first, dear Gandala. Let’s us out our house in order before we preach others our political Islam is actually good for them too. Lt’s make it good for us first.

  • Peace!

    Hi All,

    I think the author is saying Islam and politics are compatible, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. However, the underline-issue here is the separation of church/Mosque and State. The reality is politics rules our life, and religion is the way of life for many believers, so the question is are they separable?

    So far there is no single evidence that any country has managed to keep religion out of politics completely. Even in the so called democratic or free countries, It is not secret churches become campaign headquarters during elections, religious leaders seen lobbying politicians for invasion of countries for purpose of spreading their religion, and priests seen openly campaign for candidates whom they think can promote their religion values.

    The problem is we agree all religions are good and have good values, and at the same time, we want to keep them out of our lives. Whats wrong with injecting all the good values we can find in every religion into politics and create a fair and inclusive society?

    Regards

  • T..T.

    Mr. Genadela who lives in Switzerland appears to trust Swiss Christians but not an Eritrean Christian like Isayas who is unfair. So, his fear appears to stem from the perceived unfairness, which Isayas nurtures through abrogation of all fair laws or his shelving and later killing the approved constitution. Yes, Isayas is unfair to all and as a result most of Eritreans have become politically affected because they are visited by
    fears every minute, which stifle their thinking and shatter their hopes.

    Indeed, the only true fear of every Eritrean is seeing more and more (both Muslims and Christians) of our youth getting hurt or killed in their escape from the Isayas’ unfairness while seeking safest course, which is always the shortest but dangerous root, to freedom and peace of mind.

  • nrufaelwolderufael

    I commend the courage of the author, but question his judgement. Bringing a “sensitive” issue for an open discussion is commendable. How else should we cure our illness. How could a national dilemma be too sensitive to discuss?? Another major issue considered ” too sensitive” to discuss is the issue of regionalism. I’m not here to lecture on Secularism vs Non-Secularism or Ethnicism vs Regionalism, since that is for experts to teach us at length, but am here to stress the importance DISCUSSING “SENSITIVE ISSUES”. I would like to thank Awate for bringing the issue to the open air for further discussion. I hope a consensus comes out of the discussion and people are willing to be governed by the consensus.

  • Nitricc

    The real problem in this world is this..
    “The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence.”
    Abu Ala Al-Maari

    • Hayat Adem

      …and unintelligent nonreligious men
      …and very religious intelligent and
      —————
      don’t leave the ones that you are uncomfortable with because one is too high to claim or climb, the other is a fitting niche.

      • Kokhob Selam

        now completed.nice.

    • gheladios

      Religion or no religion is the reality in our ground. What in a world is to hide it ,saying, because it is sensitive.
      Over all religion is a way of life in our Eritrea, Moslem or Christian is our treasure. If we are smart enough we should figure it out how we could live side by side as a Nation giving a special way for religion with out any side effect to the nation. For example giving any ones right to worship where it fits him and to do all the requirement for his religious rights with out causing to the nation any harm way. There is so many ways we can settle things by framing a National Constitution. A constitution Quam formed by all concern parties including a religious leaders from all sects of the country. It is not going to get us any where if we ignore our wounds by siding in one or the other in order to gain power of support even the minorities right should be respected. Why is a government has to decide which religion is accepted or not accepted. To form a government that we have to have a National Constitution by the people to the people. To do this we can have a Transition Government ,for few years ,but not for 25 years. By clashing each other for nothing that we are giving the dictator a life time opportunity.
      .

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam to all,
    .
    It is a blunt clear statement indeed. There was no sugar coating or a hint of diplomacy, for that I give credit for straight talking to the author or authors.
    .
    It is really interesting the author or authors make a reference to the Religious Scientists with no sign of apprehension. All these religious fanatics are so steeped, beginning at an early age, in their doctrine they can’t see anything else.
    .
    The communist Soviets in their day made a judgment about such people as mentally ill. They hauled these religious people of all faiths to mental institutions. They considered them a threat to society and carefully tried to segregate the political ones for treatment. I reckon most were Orthodox Christians but it applied to all faiths.
    There was no ready made cure for this affliction. It is the blessing and the curse of humanity.
    .
    My “bad friend” Ali Salim once said that people in the opposition have to be careful in Eritrea. He said in effect that the reasonable opposition leaders are not necessarily the ones who will end up at the top. It is the ones we don’t see on the horizon now, that will surface to the top. once they get up to the top they begin to rain their havoc. They march to their own invisible drummer in their head. He, Ali Salim, called these people the Riff Raffs (spelling might be different).
    I also suspect that those who advocate for reform of the current Eritrean Gov. or some kind of coup, envision such possibility and are desperately trying to avoid it.
    .
    Finally I hope the author or authors will write more in a clear language as to how they see the future. My hope is they will communicate their ideas here at Awate and do it in English. What kind of persuasive arguments they will use to win the hearts and minds of the people? Or is this an irrelevant question?
    .
    K.H

    • Hope

      Well said Cousin Kim Hanna,
      But here is the Hypocrisy.
      While we are trying to have a unified Political Struggle for a Constitutional Governance,people like this Author are bringing up things that might prolong our political struggle.These kind of people might be the ones,who are inspired by the newly imported Islamic ideology,which might not be relevant in Eritrea….and we have been victims of such kind of ideology since 1991.
      Ethiopia is NOT free either from this kind of Wahabi inspired new ideological approach and this could be scary coz these kind of people are naive to our old culture and harmony.They do NOT care about others but their ideology.
      They do NOT have any tolerance and that is beyond scary.I remember that in 1992-1993,when the Wahabi Group roamed over Eritrea,my enitire village people,who used to live in harmony as Muslims and Christians went through a silent ” Jihad” against each other.The whole Christian Community was considered as “Abid” or kafir and dirty Community instantly by their own brothers,sisters, cousins,uncles, fathers,mothers,etc—.
      It is beyond scary and I am an eye witness on this incident.
      My best childhood friend,who used to stay with me in the same house and bed and,who used to eat the same food with me ,went to the Sudan and came back to Eritrea as a serious Jihad Commander against his old best friends and Community and was gunned down in the Eri-Sudan Border during the civil war between the EDF and the Saudi-Pakistani sponosred Jihadists.I know SGJ is going to be mad at me but that was the FACT of the day.
      The only dictator,who handled such a kind of danger has been PIA/DIA.
      The topic of the day should be:
      -How to resolve this problem in a peaceful and democratic way by creating an inclusive and a balanced and secular Constitution,where the State and Religion should be separated.I thought the Ratified Constitution was a step forward but lots of people discarded it from the get to go and started to bring up their own documents.
      It is a very serious and diificlut issue when dealing with antagonistic and intolerant ideologies specially based n Religion and worse,when the Trust issue becomes a major obstacle.
      Hence,our priority should be to build trust among oursleves.and sit down for a geniuine National Reconciliation,rather than bringing up old and obsolete grudges and personal issues.
      What the heck has “Islamists vs Crusaders” issue to do at this moment when the Nation and it speople are in the verge of collapse,other than adding fuel to the FIRE?
      If it has to do with” Awareness”,that is bulloni,as we are more than aware of the existence and gravity of the issue.
      For the record,the EPDP Leadership few yrs ago was tarnished with a seriosu defamatory campagin by his own best friends,and family members for simply stating the fact that we should have a Secular State where the State and the Religion should be separated. and he was misquoted and misunderstood albeit deliberately when he tried to clarify his stand by saying that we should NOT allow “A Swat Valley or Region of Pakistan in Eritrea”.And his only idea was to avoid Religion based Constitution and State. And the people ,who misquoted him are the same Awatistas here and the same friends of him!!!
      Imagine then as to what /how some one “naive” with a Wahabi Agenda could express it.
      God forbid,this is very scary.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hope, are you contemplating changing your nick to hopeless?

        I do not understand why you do not stop this smear campaign against me? Why do you have to provoke me for no reason?

        Listen, I had my suspicion but I am begining you were part of the smear campaign that was waged against me for years. I challenged you a few times, and you are very soapy, you avoid challenges. Now you are repeating the same smearing tactics. Are you not tired of doing this non-stop? What is your problem with me? List it and I will respond to you, once and for all. You are being too annoying and I do not want to be pulled to the pit you are trying to get me in. Also, please, I should be enough for you, spare awate.com your childish attempt to discredit it. Poor Saleh Johar should satiate your thirst for gossip mongering.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Saleh:
          Come on now where is the thick skin, Cousin Hope just likes how “SGJ” sounds, he want to savor the good sound, it is his affection that is how he expresses it 🙂

        • Hope

          Ustaz Saleh Johar:
          Correction:
          The Author I mentioned above is NOT you but the Original Author of the Arabic Version.in the Farajat .Com.
          Apolgies for the miscommunication.
          It is not my nature to smear -campaign people,including my enemies.
          NB: I have never been a member of any Campaign,let alone of the Defamatory Campaign.–as it is a Mortal Sin and I hate to go to my Pastor/Priest for an open Confession for defamation(the worst sin –being against Love).
          Therefore,I prefer to publically confess/apologizee to you rather than going to the Priest next Sunday.
          The best solution is to stay away from awate.com.–one of my 2015 resolutions.

  • haileTG

    Selam AT and all,

    Islam and Christianity are facts on the ground in Eritrea (as is in many other countries). Blunt approach may not be the way forward but compromizing and measured one. It is true that these two religions have lived peaceably for generations and the fact that our forefathers solidified the union into forging a common country is a testament to that. The reality is that the islamic faith is more closely intertwined with the day to day life of the followers than is the case in Christianity. For example, what would be the Christian equivalent of Sharia? Probably none.

    The driving political calculation for dealing with this issue should be how to maximize the potential for every citizen to feel included, respected and dignified in their country. How can the proximity of Islam to all aspects of the follower’s life be accomodated without infringing on the rights, security and opportunities of those who don’t belong to the faith? Such creative and compromizing approachs always open doors to engagement, trust and shared stakes in the life of the nation and its maintenance.

    The writer above is inconsiderate of Eritrea and all her citizens, he thinks he can lord it over everyone else and the rest of us don’t exist in his books. Well, that is a lot to do with fanaticism and very unhealthy to a multi-polar nation like ours. He needs to understand that another Christian sect follower can spring up and counter him with Christianity in politics dogma like his. That would equally be unsuitable and fanatical.

    Regards

    • Mahmud Saleh

      HTG
      The Muslim world itself is going through struggle. There are voices who call for moderation, including brave women who challenged Saudi vice squad in exercising their right for driving, just to support your message. The Muslim world is not homogeneous in its viewpoint regarding these Issues. Muslims are more likely to be affected than others. ISIS is an excellent example when religion and politics are mixed, or medieval Europe systems.

      • haileTG

        Very good point Mahmuday,

        Actually, based on your contribution, here is the enhanced version of the statement that might have caught your critical inspection:-)

        “How can the proximity of Islam to all aspects of the follower’s life be accommodated without infringing on the rights, security and opportunities of everyone else?”

        I see now that the implied assumption on my earlier version may not have been inclusive of all those who would potentially be impacted by the limitation.

        Regards

        • Saleh Johar

          HaileTG and Mahmuday,
          Let’s also not forget that the victims of ISIS are overwhelmingly Muslims–I don’t think there is any one who can claim damage as the people of the Middle East, regardless of their religion. But one Western victim seems to weigh more than the Azdis or Shia’s or Sunni’s who belong to the same sect as ISIS. .

          • haileTG

            SGJ, that is indeed true. The reality of the matter is however, whenever an egocentric and maniac ideology springs to action, the greatest losers who sustain the highest damage are those under whose name such an ideological banner is hoisted. Even though 6 million Jews are considered to have perished during the reign of Nazi, the immediate death tall was 11 million and those five million weren’t Jews. In fact, the net loss suffered by Germany (east and west) was much greater in the end. When the Soviets reigned under Stalin and others , more of their people perished, under Ethiopia’s Mengistu, far greater Ethiopians perished and under IA self reliance mantra Eritreans are paying the highest price. Hence, Pol Pot, N Korea, China… you name it. An outwardly aimed ideology that insidiously targeting its own! This is where the role of an empowered citizen comes in to say NOT IN OWR NAME.

          • passer_by

            Mr. Johar wrote, “But one Western victim seems to weigh more than the Azdis or Shia’s or Sunni’s who belong to the same sect as ISIS.”

            If you look at the statement, Mr. Johar, the so honest reporter, left out the Iraqi Christians who were the first victims and targets of the ISIS from the statement. How so?

            NPR Audio news (Untold News: After An Ultimatum, Christians Flee Iraqi City)
            http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=333537790&m=333537791

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks passer_by,

            It is not what you want it to sound like. Indeed, the Iraqi Christians were massacred and displaced brutally by ISIS. But that was covered by “Western Media”. I was pointing out to what was not mentioned (or casually remembered) massacres. The link you provided is a testimony to what I said, not against my comment.

            But for your relaxation, ISIS doesn’t differentiate its victims, and though most of its victims are Iraqi Muslims by virtue of their numbers, the minorities, including Chaldian, Akkadian, Assyrians, Yazidis, Armenians and other Christian and non-Christian minorities were obliterated. The Christian cemeteries were openly desecrated, destroyed and the crimes of carrying the acts displayed on the Internet by the culprits themselves as an achievement.

            So passer_by, now you can continue your journey. Safe trip 🙂

        • Mahmud Saleh

          HTG;

          I was in a hurry to leave a link regarding the Saudi Women; I’m sure you have seen it but here it’s

          httpshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bX37IylIw://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowNSH_W2r0

          The official title of the king in Saudi Arabia is: “Khadm alHaremien alsherifein” which means guardian/servant of the juridictions of the two holiest sites. He portrays himself as the guardian of Islam and look how these women are fighting to have their right to drive respected. Most of the country wealth is owned by about 5000 princes and princesses. Poverty is rampant.

    • Hope

      Haile TG,
      I read your response.
      Again,this is purely Political Civil War.
      Tell me then about the Irish Civil War.
      As much as someone was talking about ” Real Islam/Muslims”,I was talking about the Real Christians.
      I do regret about the “Medieval Crusaders”,which should be judged by that era menatlity and Human Development status.
      I hate to compare and contrast but we are talking about the 21st Centuary “Fundamentalist Islamic Movement”.Call it ISIS or Al Qaeda style Islam.

      • haileTG

        Hi Hope,

        Many people argue like you, i.e. saying the Bosnian conflict was a political conflict. Yet, all the protagonists were of the same race, spoke the same language and belonged to the same system. The only difference being that of their religion. Add to that what I quoted as ” Bosnian Serb nationalist Radovan Karadzic stated in a 1993 interview, “[the] West will be grateful to us some day because we decided to defend Christian values and culture.” So, it is hard to claim that religion had no part in it.

        I am no a Moslem and hence can never provide you first hand reaction to your view point. But from what I understand most followers of the Islamic religion abhor the association of their faith, tradition and old civilization with such terms as terrorism, fundamentalism, Jihad… Just to give you a proper perspective, just under a quarter of mankind (23%) in the world is Muslim. Just over a quarter (31%) is Christian. This makes Muslims roughly about 1.8 billion and Christians about 2.2 billion of the total 7 billion+ world population.

        Now, how many millions of Muslims do you think are members of those fundamentalist organizations? OK hundreds of thousands? OK tens of thousands? OK just few thousands? Yea, the last seems to be the case. Now, how many thousands of Christians are fundamentalist? Would you brush billions of Christians with those sects? Why do you do so in the case of Muslims? When in fact, close to 70% of the human race is not even Christian?

        So, you need to have proper grasp of the reality you wish to respond to before doing the usual hoopla about it and throwing accusations. The issue is more complex, it involves many factors and it is also confounded by different variables.

        Some people consider this a conspiracy against the Islamic world, what do you think about it? Can you name me the countries termed as “axis of evil”? What is the role of middle eastern politics in all this?

        So, hope, you need to clarify your concerns because for the average reader like me, you come off as an homophobic.

        Regards

  • Semere Andom

    Oh, Mr Strider

    Securialsim is not necessarily anti-religion or Islam. Eritrea is a country with two major religions, Christianity and Islam. Both teach love, the first tells its followers, “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”, while the second teaches, “treat the people of the book with the utmost care”. But we know better, the followers of both religions for the most part have not lived up to that banner of love that the two Holly Books teach. The problem emanates from the people and not from the scriptures per se.

    As a late bloomer nation we know that a lot of blood has been spilled in the name of the religions in the name of the drawing and delineating territories. We also know that the strings that were pulled behind the scenes during the armed struggled to spill Eritrean blood in the guise of political ideology and other lame excuses. Although, the two major fronts, namely ELF and EPLF were not based on one religion, one would be a fool to assume that the Eritrean struggle was devoid of insidious religious divide. Even if the rank and file has transcended the follies of this strife, the elite to protract their own grip have used regional and religious cleavages to their advantage.

    Oh, Mr. Strider (Genadela) you are telling us that Islam is religion and, Islam economic system and Islam is also political system that must be utilize in our government.

    The state must be separate from the church, separate from the mosque, separate from the Temple, separate from the Synoguage and separate from the Kingdom Hall. But people must be allowed to observe their religion privately or publicly and they can use the economic systems of their particular religion in their home economics and other aspects of their religion how they live their lives and raise their children and conduct their funeral and marriages. Religion must not infringe in the right of a constitutional government and government must not infringe upon the right of religion.

    Under PFDJ, some religions are banned and their adherents are in dungeons suffering from the scorching heat of the containers and this happened under the cheering watch of the “main-stream” religions that are currently allowed to function in the country. And sorry to say that the two august religions turned out to be midgets by not standing up to the government. The followers of dying “fi sebil Allah” and the followers of the one who defeated death by love were subservient of the dictator. So, no Mr. Strider, we suffered under dictatorship and we know better than to infuse any religion into our government.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Sem,
      Well said and no one can say it better. Good Take.

  • Ambassador

    A belief in religion is a revelation. Once you say truth is revealed to you, you have to immediately deny yourself the possibilities of being disproved otherwise through political and/or scientific reasoning. Religion also tells you that it would be a blasphemy to go that road. Now that you are totally submitted to the teachings of religion, impossibilities become possibilities and you start to be obsessed with virgins-either in a form of virgin birth or being rewarded with 72 virgins after martyrdom.

    Now, unless we make a decision to calculate the wealth of our nation in the number of virgins we have, where else do we see the benefits of entertaining political religion to form a just nation? And whose religion are we going to rely up on, and call other religions false revelations by implication? I am a Christian (or an agnostic at best), and I ain’t go for a nation with a political system based on the teachings of Islam. I’m sure my Muslim brothers would’ve said the same about a purely Christian nation. Since my brother and I cannot find a compromise to establish a political system on the teachings of our respective religion-because doing so would mean abandoning certain truths of our revelation, hence blasphemy-I would rather have us entertain our religion in private and build a political system independent of our religions.

    This dude made a commentary on our drunk leaders and told us his disdain towards them while he is totally intoxicated by his religion. Talk about hypocrisy, huh.

  • Hayat Adem

    This is an interesting account of politics through Islamic Dictatorial and Hegemonic Purity. This article has one quality unlike others that come loaded with religeous excesses, and I attribute this”interestingness” to the originator or the translator or both. I was going to say a thing or two on the message itself in relation to Eritrea but I’ve become curious to learn what the reaction Judge Saleh Johar is to this, first. I think such a message from a group or groups that see themselves as an intellectual vanguards and guardians of Islam is not new. What might be interesting here is the way it is addressed against the messages of SGJ and the tone of authority it displays as though it is the only doctor in town.

  • sami

    keep dreaming we will fight to death and won’t be dimmi in our own lands but cult from arabia, who gives you the right to tell your lord is the true coz ur false prophet said? i can’t believe that they want us to be second class citizens in our own land..

  • Kokhob Selam

    This confirms SG is doing fine.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear KS,

      Let’s remember that SGJ belongs to the Fine Line School of thought. Ah, you belong also to that school, in fact, you are one of the co-founders.

      Hawka
      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        ክብረት ይሃበለይ ተስፋ ብርሃን ሓወይ : ህልውና ናይ ከማኻ ዝ ኣመሰሉ ለባማት እዩ ነቲ ክብርታትና ህያው ዝገብሮ ::

  • farnelo

    This sounds to me like a nicely wrapped warning to SG for having a secular view on politics and religion. That is my view.

    In theory, religion and politics hand in hand could have created utopia on planet earth. In Theory even communism is great. The problem is execution. So far, humans are not capable carrying out that task without abusing it. There might be nice narratives what Islam or Christianity or communism did as doctrine and guideline for politics. Other than that human history and present life is littered with devastation, wars, abuses of power and manipulation of people and wealth … in the name of religion! As a bonus, there are/were these extremist who are busy slitting innocent throats, killing people in mass, causing all kind of havoc to innocent follow humans. All these in the name of a religion!

    History has shown that humans are not capable of mixing religion and politics for a good end. I don’t know what might fix the ills of humans but mixing religion with politics is not one of them. I just hope future Eritrea (the day after DIA) will remain secular and religion will remain in mosques, churches, and private lives.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear AT,

    Thank you for your timely translated work. This is an enlightening for those of us who can’t follow our sister arabic web-sites.

    Though I agree with SGJ’s approach on the political interpratation of Islam and I understand also also with Mohammed Idris Genadela concern, we need to clearly understand Eritrean Socio-Cultural dimension to deal with the subject matter.

    For this, I followed many documented speeches (both in French and English) given by contemporary thinker and philosopher of Tariq Ramadam, who is a swiss nationality and Egyptian origin. probably, brother
    Mohammed Idris Genadela might know him very well as he is also currently living in Swiss as per the address given.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwGS0iUycE

    Soon, I will come on my own interpretation of Religious politics and how we can be free of their dictatorial influence on the well-being of society with diverse religions.

    Thank you again

    hawkum
    tes

    • farnelo

      Very interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing.

  • Fenenomeno

    At least Saleh Johar won’t be labeled an Islamist anymore;)

    I believe that states such as Eritrea should not be based on some religious framework, as for example is the case in the more homogenous Saudia Arabia.

    However, that does not mean that parties based on religion/Islam should not be allowed. Just like any other party (religious or secular) they should adhere to certain constitutional legislation, which should guarantee the freedom of religion for everyone and make sure that spreading hate into society which could invoke violence is forbidden. From my point of view religious parties, because they base themselves on an absolute truth, should understand that their responsibility weighs greater in such matters, due to certain geopolitical trends and their ability to easily mobilize the people.

    • Hope

      Sir/Madam,
      You are absoultely contradicting here.
      If you allow a Religious Party and if that Party wins,then what?
      Another Egypt?
      Muslim Brotherhood in Eritrea?Then what?
      Why don’t we talk about Real Change i Eritrea rather than talking about curbing a real Change in Eritrea?

      • Fenomeno

        If a party wins, then it wins.

        Muslim Brotherhood is not the worst that can happen to Eritrea. Political parties that come to power (in a democratic system,) can always use misuse their power to implement undemocratic policies. This is not inherent or exclusive to religious parties, but can be done any group (see PFDJ).

        In an ideal democratic system there are certain mechanimism that prevent parties from misuing their power, which should be consildated in the constitution. Off course I do not expect these to be prevent in Eritrea any time soon, therefore we should be caution. However, excluding religious parties (e.g Islamic parties), most of the time just creates more extremist groups outside of the political arena.