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Tigray Political Paradox – Preaching Peace and Cultivating Conflict

The Eritrean and Tigrayan peoples shared not only a common struggle against Haile Selassie’s and Mengistu’s oppressions, but also linguistic and cultural similarities that could foster trade intensity, cooperation, hospitality, cross-border movements, and socio-economic integration. Case in point, they mutually supported each other and cooperated with each other during some of the most difficult times in history. The statement on the cover picture of this article is a testament to the aforementioned fact. It was taken in 1972 in Shiraro, Tigray. “ሓድነት ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ትግራይን ብናይ ቃልሲ ቃልኪዳን ዝተኣሳሰረ’ዩ”. The rough translation of the text on the poster reads, “The alliance between Eritrean and Tigrayan people is a covenance solidified by common struggle.” There is no recorded historical evidence which suggests that there was ever an ethnic-based conflict between these ethnolinguistic group because neither of them posed existential threats to each other before. However, although both peoples have been endeavoring to coexist in peace and harmony, the Abyssinian warlords from Tigray and now EPLF (PFDJ) and TPLF elites have made peaceful coexistence practically impossible for generations (from 18th— 21st Century). The political elites, however, have been promoting the idea of people-to-people diplomacy as a transnational conflict resolution strategy to solve the problems of their own making. As a supplementary initiative, the transboundary communication, and citizens engagement may play a role in rebuilding and enhancing mutual trust and ease the socio-political and emotional strains of war, but it would  be a vain attempt to utilize it as a primary tool to settle and mitigate hostile interstate relations that are not created by the population.

Moreover, while the peoples are hoping the end of the border stalemate would mark the beginning of peace, reconciliation, dialogue and normalization, the emergence of the new extremist political elements in Tigray and diaspora under the banner of Tigray-Tigringi/Agazean may trigger a new resentment and violence that could do irreversible damages. It is because they are entering uncharted waters of ethnic mobilization campaign with islamophobic undertones and toxic political rhetoric that I think can erode the relationship and complicate the situation further. 

Clouding the border issue for devious intentions

In June 2018, the Ethiopian government fully accepted the Ethio-Eritrea Boundary Commission (EEBC) which ruled the flashpoint of conflict (Badme) to be awarded to Eritrea. The second step was expected to be taken to vacate and demarcate the border and henceforth the beginning of the normalization of relationships between the two peoples. The Ethiopian constitution clearly outlines that the federal government has a sole political mandate to negotiate and/or sign peace agreements along with exclusive responsibility to enact and enforce defense-related discretions, including withdrawal of troops from foreign lands. As the troops that are occupying the territory belongs to the federal government, Ethiopia’s withdrawal of its army would be a crucial measure towards long-overdue peace. However, PFDJ and TPLF leadership are deflecting from the main issue that sustained the border deadlock each for different reasons. As the border issue has been used as a pretext to tighten Isaias’ totalitarian grip on the population, he has shown no interest in solving it. For the last 20 years, the handover of Badme has been Eritrea’s non-negotiable precondition for dialogue and normalization of relations with Ethiopia, but after Ethiopia’s decision to comply with the agreement, Isaias requested neither handover of the land nor withdrawal of troops from the territory. Be it through deflection or scapegoating others, maintaining the status quo seems to be Isaias’ end goal.

On the other hand, TPLF leadership has fundamentally rejected the agreement on the pretext of  ‘dialogue before withdrawal’ as a precondition, which is ultimately offering Isaias the scapegoat he needs. One could argue that the Tigray regional government has neither a constitutional mandate nor legitimacy to negotiate international borders, but it has the capacity to muddy the waters just to feed the political ego. Besides, in their effort to look strong and in charge, the Tigrayan regional government is falling for Isaias’s and Abiy’s strap in so many ways. For instance, Abiy Ahmed through his politically appointed director of ARRA, Kebede Chane, is closing the Hitsats refugee camp in Tigray where many vulnerable Eritrean refugees have been hosted.[1] Reports indicate that the move was initiated at the requisition  of Isaias Afwerki, but the silence of the Tigrayan regional government has given the Eritrean public the impression that the decision has been initiated and implemented by Tigrayans which is cropping up some resentments among Eritreans.

When it comes to Badme, it is an arid land with no economic or sentimental values to it, but it is increasingly becoming TPLF’s symbol of dominance. There was no ambiguity that the Algiers Agreement was Final and Binding. And the Boundary Commission rendered its decision ruling that Badme falls under the sovereignty of Eritrea. However, contrary to peace-fostering-principles, Tigray has actively been involved in building houses on the disputed territory in question in defiance of the international ruling, which clearly gives the impression that there is an absence of genuine and practical desire to solve the border dispute with Eritrea. Opting for endless stalemate is clearly not a tactical brilliance, but an ego-driven illusion with no consensual pathway to peace and no conceivable positive outcome.

The second element which is largely the focus of this article is the Tigray-Tigrigni movements. Tolerated and probably promoted by TPLF leadership, this group does not incline towards negotiations, but categorically downplays the relevance of artificial boundaries. A border is what makes a state. It is a geographical representation of national existence which is at the heart of international peace, law, and order. If there is no border, there is no state. In the contemporary world, only the Islamic State intends to create a state that does not recognize international borders and state sovereignty by dismissing it as ‘man-made rules that separate Muslims from each other.’ Yet, the Islamic expansionists aspire to invade and occupy contiguous foreign territories with reference to medieval history to secure transnational religious homogeneity and religious identity. In the same manner, the Tigrayan entities are expressing their sense of entitlement to lands across their border on the grounds of ethnic, cultural, and religious homogeneity with the Eritrean Tigrigna speaking ethnic group.

Undoing colonial boundaries to indulge a hypothetical imperative of the exiguous?

There is no question that colonial boundaries have arbitrarily divided related ethnic groups across the continent. For instance, the Nuer ethnic group is split between Ethiopia and South Sudan, the Afar ethnic group amongst Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Djibouti, the Kakwa between Ugandan and Sudan, the Masai between Kenya, and Tanzania, the Lou between Kenya and Uganda, the Hausa amongst Cameroon, Niger and Nigeria. However, despite their historically problematic origins , it is undeniable that colonial boundaries are the bedrock of contemporary African countries, including Ethiopia. Ethiopia borders with six countries in the sub-region with an evident presence of inter-ethnics in each country and each of which acknowledges, respects, and protects their borders. They tend to abide by them and have no intention of going back to precolonial era. There is widespread agreement that the contemporary African boundaries were drawn without respect for social and ethno-linguistic groupings of its inhabitants. However, regardless  of the arbitrary and imperfect nature of the African boundaries, African countries are aware that maintaining colonial boundaries is less costly than continental reshuffle for the hypothetical benefits of ethno-linguistic homogeneity. African States’ acceptance of the territorial status quo and the inviolability of the colonial boundaries was formally and explicitly proclaimed by the Organization of African Unity (OAU) in its 1964 Cairo Resolution.[2]The relevance of colonial boundaries cannot be denied, nor can it be removed for the convenience of extremist political elements, but it is possible to reduce its negative effects by creating a sensible, peaceful and integrated socio-economic policies that benefit the stakeholders. Establishing a sustainable peace would require constructive, realistic, and conciliatory approaches and compatible goals that go beyond the argument of transnational ethnic homogeneity.

The colonial boundaries may split the borderland communities into two or more countries, but it should not affect their socio-economic livelihoods and civic bonds. For instance, the western Eritrean lowland has been inhabited by nomadic communities belonging to the Beja ethnic groups (Beni-Amer and Hidareb) but they were split between Eritrea and Sudan. Be that as it may, they have maintained a peaceful coexistence with a perpetual cross-border interplay of pastoral nomadism, marriage, migratory movements, and agro-pastoral seasonal migrations. Consequently, many members of these inter-ethnic groups hold dual citizenship-Eritrean and Sudanese.

But the Tigray-Tigrigni’s strategy is to pretend to be interested in solving the border problem by denying its existence. A reasonable entity(ties) could not/should not dismiss a border war that claimed 100,000 lives, displaced millions and heightened the resentment between the co-ethnics unless they want to reignite a war. The only way forward is to resolve the border dispute and start reconciliation and the normalization process where the two peoples can enjoy peace, development, and a state of normalcy.

Devil in disguise: arrogance and naivete masked by ethnic fraternity (የሕዋት ኢና)

If handled with care, I believe the presence of commonalities of ethnicity, kinship, language, religion, and culture between related ethnic groups at borders may facilitate the possibility of communal cooperation and socio-economic integration. It is important, however, to avoid a simplistic view of colonial artificial boundaries. It has not only divided the same ethnic groups across Africa, but it has also created an environment for ethnic groups to grow apart and construct their own socio-political identities which have obscured kinship and ethnic affiliations across borders. For instance, the artificial boundary coupled with generations of foreign dominance, colonization, and war has pushed Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group towards Eritreanization. The Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group have maintained some cultural similarities with the Tigrayan ones, yet they are a distinct ethnic group with different nationality and socially constructed differences that hardly identify themselves with their kin in Ethiopia.

And there is no evidence to suggest that inter-ethnic similarities or differences alone guarantee peaceful coexistence and integration, nor does it cause an outbreak of violence and tension. There is no positive or negative correlation between ethnic similarities and peaceful coexistence. It is worth noting that Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda are culturally identical who share the same language, beliefs, and customs. The same applies to the Somalis population. In fact, ethnicity has not been the cause of conflict per se. It is the action or inaction of political elites and/or ethnic entrepreneurs that often cause conflict. As political elites and ethnic entrepreneurs attempt to mobilize their ethnic groups or clans in order to gain or maintain certain political privileges, power, and resources at the expenses of other ethnic groups, they often play negative roles in polarizing societies, escalating fear, grievances, ethnic rivalry, competition, and tensions posing threats to the survival of others. Under these circumstances, it would not come as a surprise if the threatened ethnic groups respond with violence to maintain their status, assure their existence and security. Therefore, establishing and maintaining inter-ethnic harmony would require acknowledging, understating, and respecting the other party’s position, interests, internalized perceptions, attitudes, and choices. An effort to evaluate and understand things from the other’s perspective would ultimately be fundamental steps to avoid ethnic-related tensions.

In their attempt to exploit and control African societies, colonialists were known for creating one dominant ethnic over the other, disregarding the presence or preferences of other inhabitants.  Consequently, the self-serving, exploitative, and shortsighted colonial legacy has been the cause of most socio-economic, political, and inter/intra ethnic tensions across Africa. Similarly, the Tigray’s extremist elites are using the self-determination rights in the ethno-federal system in Ethiopia to depart from the Amhara dominance, but they are misusing the very concept to delegitimize a sovereign neighboring country and exert its ethnic dominance over minority ethnic groups. Tigray is a region in Ethiopia and the Tegaru is the people who inhabit the region. The Tigrigna speaking group in Eritrea is named after its language, not after its region. They refer themselves as Tigrigna ethnic group, and hence outsiders should address them as such. The Tigray-Tigrigni movement, however, is relabeling the Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group as ‘Nay Semein Tegaru’(Northern Tigrayans).

If any Eritrean ethnic group was ever to be renamed, it is up to the indigenous and bona fide citizens of the country. One must understand that it is politically, legally, and morally unacceptable to rebrand something you do not own or have control over. However, by rebranding the Eritrean ethnic group, they are knowingly or unknowingly conveying a message of superiority and dominance over the other. In an effort to revive the 1970s TPLF manifesto[3], the Tigray-Tigrigni movement seems to be dead-set on dismissing the Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group and renaming them as Tegaru’, which delegitimizes their current status. They are not doing it just because they aspire to belong to an Eritrean Tigrigna group but to have access and control over their resources including a sea outlet. However, the claim of ethnic fraternity to misappropriate someone’s political identity and violate the international norms of territorial integrity and state sovereignty to lay claim to the land and sea is convenient ammunition for conflict. Eritreans are vocal about this, but because they have other pressing priorities at home, the magnitude of outrage is still simmering underneath. Be that as it may, their silence should never be confused for consent.

Eritrea is not Tigray

Eritrea is a country with multilingual, multicultural and multifaith ethnic groups who paid blood, sweat, and lives to achieve their independence. Therefore, it would be in the fundamental interest of Tigray region or state to accept, respect and acknowledge the presence of multifaith and heterogeneous ethnic groups who inhabit the Eritrean land and the sea. Doing so would also facilitate the establishment of a neighborly partnership that is based on mutual trust, respect, cooperation, peaceful coexistence, and development. Unfortunately, the Tigray-Tigrigni movements keep depicting Eritrea as the land of  Tigrigna speaking Christians. The Tigrignazation of Eritrea maybe the revival of the 1970s TPLF manifesto, but the islamophobic tendency is inheritance of the Abyssinia legacy where monarchs legitimized the externalization of Islam and the suppression of religious and cultural practices of the oppressed, and enforced the subjugation, persecution, socio-economic alienation and forceful conversion of Muslims into Christianity all in the quest of religious and cultural uniformity[4].

Therefore, the growing tendency of cultural and religious homogenization of Eritrea in pursuit of Abyssinia’s historical and political narratives is counterproductive at best, and dangerous at worst. The main objective is to expand the borders of Tigray deep into Eritrea. To that end, they are redefining every Tigrigna speaker as a citizen of Tigray. However, if they are willing to give themselves an opportunity to listen and learn about the contemporary Eritrean society, they would find out that even Eritrean Tigrignas are not internally homogeneous. The Tigrigna ethnic group largely lives in the three highland regions (Hamasien, Seraye and Akeleguzay). Each of them has different customary legal systems, beliefs, traditions, institutions, perceptions(their perception of others) and identification(how they identify themselves).

The overly simplistic and reductionist approach of  the homogenization campaign is being done with utmost arrogance, naivete, and an overwhelming presumption that a Tigrigna Christian will permanently remain in power in Eritrea. With the current campaign of planting seeds of hate, prejudice, ethnocentrism, and islamophobia, there is a high probability for tension when a non-Christian or non-Tigrigna Eritrean comes to power. More importantly, whether a Christian or a Muslim comes to power the outcome is most likely the same. It is a common practice for politicians to do what they think will get them elected. And no politician can obtain or maintain power by sympathizing with foreign extremist elements that demonize Muslims and other eight recognized ethnic groups in the country, because xenophobia and inter-ethnic hatred are threats to national unity and security. Therefore, national leaders will be required to take security measures commensurate with the magnitude of the threat it poses.

The quest for de facto statehood by delegitimizing a sovereign and independent country

Most political and civic movements in the Tigray region including Tigray Democratic Movement, Salsay Woyane, National Congress of Great Tigray, Seb Hidri Civic Society of Tigray and the Agazian are advocating for secession of Tigray with a common tendency towards territorial expansion and ethnic homogenization of Tigrigna speaking people. The latter, however, is the most toxic political movement with islamophobic grandiloquence. Eritreans understand the pressure the Tigrayans are under to declare a de facto statehood, and why they are throwing everything at the wall to see if it sticks. Eritreans are keenly observing how Tigrayans are displaying military bravados and trying to invest heavily in the symbolic paraphernalia of statehood in an effort to show strength and capacity. They understand the challenges and hence sympathize with their cause. As the parent state (Ethiopia) has a de jure claim to the Tigrayan territories, Tigray will face an uphill battle for international and regional legitimacy. It will certainly be harder to attempt it without a patron state and ally. However, the de facto statehood aspirants of the Tigray-Tigrigni movements are not seeking a strategic ally. They are claiming ownership of the ally, its history, sacrifice, patriotism, and symbols. Eritrean history and patriotism have been subjected to attacks by those who want to diminish it. Here is how the sardonicism goes: “Eritrea is a fake country created by colonialism; we have to trace our commonality back to the precolonial era to create real country (as far as Axumite kingdom)…”  They approach it as if Eritrean cultural and political identities have been in a constant state of stagnation since the Axumite Kingdom. They want to resume a borderless relationship with Eritrea from where they left off more than 1,000 years ago. Ethnic identity is not a static natural souvenir, but a socially constructed phenomenon prone to change over time. There is a large body of literature that demonstrates that individual ethnicities have been in a constant state of change in Africa, which has been influenced and shaped by a series of historical events including African and European colonialization. Therefore, the existing evidence suggests that ethnic groups are dynamic rather than static. The Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group is no exception.

Although the Tigrigna ethnic group and Tegaru have maintained contact and a relatively peaceful relationship, the aggression of Ethiopian and Tigrayan warlords may have pushed the ethnic group further apart in terms of negatively influencing the perception of one against the other. Furthermore, the division and mistrust between the two were further shaped by a series of historical phenomena and injustice. The cultural divergence goes back to the 14th century when Eritreans began writing their own customary laws that reflected the heterogeneity of customs, beliefs, norms, values, and laws of the Eritrean people. It could also be argued that further psycho-social, economic, and political divergence had also occurred which were largely influenced by the colonial experience and the post-colonial struggle for Eritrean independence.

Driven by hatred for Isaias and his PFDJ political party, few Eritrean Tigrignas in the diaspora have also been expressing a desire to belong to this precarious and mischievous inter-ethnic political experiment. The extended oppression, cruelty, and exploitation in Eritrea has evidently shaken the basic fabric of the society posing a threat to the population’s collective identity. As the country goes through totalitarian dread, human insecurity and hardship, it is hardly surprising to see some Eritreans in diaspora getting caught in a peculiar triangulation and dissonance between the desire to dissociate from turbulent Eritrea and the attempt to identify themselves with the relatively stable Tigray region. Although they are political outliers, individuals’ evasion, and identity dissociation during dark and traumatic situations are not a new phenomenon in Eritrean history. In the 1940-50s, there were few Eritrean Christian highlanders who advocated for the incorporation of highland Eritrea into Tigray. Fresh out of European colonial servitude and manipulated into an unreliable new political marriage with Ethiopia, it was highly turbulent times, but formative decades of Eritrean political consciousness and emergence of Eritrean nationalism where citizens were charting the road for the future, navigating through political uncertainty, and the perilous waters of the struggle for independence. Eventually, in defiance of the Ethiopian empire and the pro-Tigray or pro-Ethiopia elements who were thwarting Eritrea’s prospect for self-determination, the Eritrean population had coalesced around common purpose-struggle for an independent Eritrea with multicultural, multifaith, multiethnic and unified national whole.  Eritrea has since achieved its independence. All the ethnic groups may have different religious beliefs, cultural values, and customs, but they have one national identity that binds them together- Eritrea and Eritreaness.

Therefore, the Eritrean Tigrigna ethnic group, like the other nationals, belongs to this sovereign national identity. The Tigray-Tigrigni movements have neither political leverage nor legality to impose its agenda on foreign ethnic groups. Under normal circumstances, one would expect an ethnic group from the unrecognized de facto state to plead their case to join their sovereign kin to share the resource and power. No, they are implying that a sovereign ethnic group should join their de facto state-to-be.

One of the toughest challenges of de facto statehood is a diplomatic war for recognition and legitimacy. As difficult as it is to achieve without strategic allies and supporters, these extreme political entities think they can achieve it by delegitimizing a sovereign neighboring country. Winston Churchill once famously remarked, “There is only one thing worse than fighting with allies, and that is fighting without them.”  Eritrea could be Tigray’s strategic ally in its endeavor for independence. Because no country in the sub-region understands and respects Tigrayan’s struggle better than Eritrea. Instead of posturing a threat to the integrity and stability of Eritrea, forming strategic alliance and cooperative partnerships would be an expedient way to build and enhance the socio-political, economic, and security apparatus of both parties withstanding common regional threats. Unfortunately, as opposed to capitalizing on Eritreans’ goodwill, the extremists have dominated the political discourse of delegitimizing Eritrea as a country. It is a no-brainer to figure out that this would be a critical stage where Tigrayan leaders should make a concerted effort to initiate genuine dialogue, resolve outstanding disputes, reconcile political differences, tame extremists and heal old wounds to garner support, mutual understanding, and cooperation for a better tomorrow.

Reference notes

[1]Eritrea Hub (14 April 2020). The Truth Behind the Hitsats Camp Crisis. Available at>https://eritreahub.org/the-truth-behind-the-hitsats-camp-crisis

[2]Organization of African Unity (1964), Resolutions adopted by the first ordinary session of the assembly of heads of state and government, held in Cairo.

[3]TPLF manifesto known as the “Republic of Greater Tigray” was drafted in 1976 by TPLF leaders with an elaborate plan and purpose of creating an independent Tigray that owns a sea. In an effort to realize this ambitious mirage, TPLF had a vision of  expanding Tigray’s borders within Ethiopia, claiming territorial possession of  coastal lands within Eritrea and redefining Tigrayan to include Eritrean and some Ethiopian ethnic groups outside Tigrayan borders: a) A Tigrian is defined as anybody that speaks the language of Tigigna including those who live outside Tigrai, the Kunamas, the Sahos, the Afar and the Taltal, the Agew, and the Welkait; b) The geographic boundaries of Tigrai extend to the borders of the Sudan including the lands of Humera and Welkait from the region of Begemidir in Ethiopia, the land defined by Alewuha which extends down to the regions of Wollo and including Alamata, Ashengie, and Kobo, and finally the lands of Eritrean Kunama which includes Badme, the Saho (close to the conflicting area of Zalambessa), and Afar lands including Assab; C) The final goal of the TPLF is to secede from Ethiopia as an independent “Republic of Greater Tigrai” by liberating the lands and peoples of Tigrai. Please see Anonymous (August 3,1998).The Manifesto of the TPLF on ‘Republic of Greater Tigrai’ and The Current Border Conflict Between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Available at http://denden.com/Conflict/tplf-manifesto-98.htm

[4]Stephene Ancel (2015). A Muslim Prophecy Justifying the Conversion of Ethiopian Muslims to Christianity during Yoḥannəs IV’s Reign. A Text Found in a Manuscript in Eastern Tigray. PP. 315-333. Available at https://www.persee.fr/doc/ethio_0066-2127_2015_num_30_1_1592

*Image of Tigrayan women’s demonstration during the struggle era, Shiraro, Tigray, Ethiopia, sourced from tweeter.

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  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. Protests, Road Blockades in Tigray. BBC Amharic has confirmed, from officials and inhabitants, that there have been protests and road blockages in various parts of Tigray region that have been going on for days now. Source: Borkena.com

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam
    I want everyone(except the kim, abi, horizon and all the other tigrai nationalist) in this forum to notice, none of ethiopia’s government and so called “free democratic” “Medias” mention a word about ethiopia sudan border clashes, none of them say a word until now about the ethio sudan border incidents, in the other hand, sudan and egyption medias r talking about it several times.
    But i want people to notice none of ethiopia’s gov and so called free medias, including the zhabash, 360, east, Abby and so on say nothing about it.

    • David Samson

      Selam Teddy,

      I am not one of the banned ones—according to your decree.

      How do we verify the news? Do you think it is wise for us to comment on something which is not verifiable? The cyber is awash with fake news and difficult to weed out which is real and fake. Due to Cov-19, I have lots of time on my hand and have the chance to browse the Ethio-Eri platforms and pages. Most of them are stuffed with Psychopaths. You need to back up the news with more sources, not just one.

      • Teodros Alem

        selam david and p
        david, i’m not sure if u r banned from the news, ur name sounds pathetic, any ways u missing the point, the point is how the so called ethiopia gov and “denkem” free medias operating.
        P, the news is not for u.

        • Paulos

          Tedros,

          Well, you didn’t include my name and that was the reason I asked you. ይዳራበሸካ’ሎ ፍራቴሎ!

        • Aligaz G

          Teodros

          Please list all the names that are banned. And if you can please let us know how they can unban themselves. To be fair that is. No need to list out their sins. cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam.Aligaz
            Honestly, except Saleh Johar, Saay7, Nitricc, Semere Tesfai and U, all r banned. but i’m not sure of Osman and Hashela and i might forgot 1 or 2 persons.

    • Paulos

      Tedros,

      Can you shed some light on what could be the reason for that. Much obliged.

  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    Here is what’s happening in Ethiopia today, just google “Ethiopian news” you will read the following articles. This is a new report just released.

    1. The Guardian:
    Ethiopia’s security forces accused of torture, evictions and killings – report
    2. BBC:
    Ethiopia accused by Amnesty of illegal killings and mass arrests and torture.
    3. Washington post:
    New report alleges killings, mass detentions in Ethiopia. A new report by the rights group Amnesty International accuses Ethiopia’s security forces of extrajudicial killings and mass detentions even as the country’s reformist prime minister was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
    4. US NEWS:
    Ethiopian security forces in the Oromiya region have executed 39 opposition supporters and arrested thousands of others accused of being members of an armed group, Amnesty International said on Friday.

    Does this show us Abiy’s Ethiopia is going in the right direction? I hope the leaders listen the people on the ground.

    I am sure the chauvinists will create another agenda to cover-up this news, but this is what Ethiopia looks like today.

    Remember, Oromia regional State, Amhara regional State and South regional State has been under command post for months now, still continuing. Mass arrest and torture is becoming a daily task of Abiy administration. Those kinds of news has been masked by other smaller agenda.

    Thanks,

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      Why are you bringing Digital Weyane claptrap to this Forum when the fate of the Mafia Weyanes is already foretold?

      I remember when I was in High School, I used to tune in before I go to sleep to the Radio when it broadcasted ፍቅር እስከ መቃብር once a week. And now, Fana Radio is reading out chapters from the መደመር book before Ethiopians go to sleep. They don’t want to hear anything cooked up by the Weyanes–the rationale goes, as it rightly captures the sentiments of the Ethiopian people including Tigreans. My point is, walk us through if you will any Abiy’s productive day, when he plants trees and visiting Syrian refugee camps in Ethiopia [I am sure the reporter meant to say Eritrean refugee camps instead], for instance.

      • Samuel

        Selam Paulos,
        You right, I have heard that they have started narrating “Medemer” book on Fana Radio, it may help to let people sleep. They don’t have any new project to talk about, thus they have to feed people with “hope”.

        I tried to research any “good things” the PM has done, I started with the “lost flowers” and then the renewal of the palace, I couldn’t list beyond that. Well, they are trying to make the GERD as their own project. Those people are shameless people man, they don’t have a little shame at all.

        Horizon mentioned that “More developmental projects were carried out in the state the last two yrs compared to the 27 yrs of tplf rule.” I am not sure if he is talking about Kenya or Egypt, may be South Africa?

        Thanks,

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          You don’t have to go far, ask people who have just returned from Ethiopia. They will tell you that, construction projects have stalled, unemployment is worse including empty Guest-Houses who made good business when tourists felt comfortable visiting the country when EPRDF was in power. Hardly people move around after 7 and most bars, restaurants and night clubs are hit hard because of that. And the people who have just returned and who are stymied are not Tigreans.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            And u call urself human?

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Hold on a sec. Let me check if I am.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            Pls allow humans to check u, u can’t do it urself

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos,

            Most of the recent economic decline is down to Covid 19. The earlier decline was because of the uprising that removed your buddies.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            How did I miss that profound insight. You never cease to amaze me. Thank you.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Maybe because you are divorced from reality?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Din din din Bingo!

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Are you familiar with Hilbert?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I am familiar with Hilbert-Space that had played a critical role in formulating General Relativity if that is what you have in mind. If that is the case, are you familiar with de-Sitter?

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Lower your guard. I am proposing you prepare a list of fundamental but unanswered questions about Eritrea or the Horn in general.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Sure.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Btw you spelled desitter wrong.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            So you are going pedantic on me? You get the idea though and I should be excused for De Sitter Space doesn’t represent our universe. Are you familiar with Juan Maldacena and his brilliant proposal Ads/CFT corrospondence?

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            You are still in desitter – your spelling your space. So you are a hired gun?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Aligaz and Paulos,
            You reminded me is a funny comment I once heard. A trainer once veered off the topic of communication topic that we were learning and mentioned De Sitter space. No one knew what it means and asked him to explain it for us. As a natural witty Egyptian he said we can call it the village mother description. He said, mothers warn their children of venturing in the dark less they are met by scary ghosts. I knew then why we see imaginary shapes in the dark. HooH alo! And you see that HooH everywhere. Did he explain it well?

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            True the dark follows the light and it is possible to scare children for a while but then they grow up. But we dont 😥. Maybe your Egyptian put a spell on us. Hooh is that Pacino?

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            HooH is a warning shout meant to scare children. If a children get close to fire, or something dangerous, you shout HooH and immediately they retreat to a safer distance.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Touche. How far should I retreat? But seriously watch Scent Of A Woman. Al is simply hooah.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            It is only ኣምቸ who say HooH [ሁህ] when the rest of us say, ሑሕ instead. I remember when PFDJ Ambassador who is an ኣምቸ saying ሁህ to the sycophants.

          • Saleh Johar

            Eh Paolos,
            the capitalized H was supposed to be read as the non-Amiche H!

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            That is precisely the point. Aligaz won’t understand it for he speaks Amharic.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            What has David Hilbert got to do with our discussion?

            Are the Oromo/Galla claiming him to be one of their own now?

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            First of, it is rude and impolite to use the pejorative term “Galla” when you could just say Oromo instead. Aligaz asked me if I am familiar with Hilbert and I said, the only Hilbert I am familiar with was the Mathematician Hilbert whose work was critical in formulating General Relativity among other things. Later on he–Aligaz veered of into something I couldn’t understand. I don’t even know why he asked me if I was familiar with Hilbert in the first place.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Many books use the term. What is the problem? A Rose is a Rose by any other name. Menelik, a proud half-Galla, used the word “Kebtoche”, endearingly.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Hilbert is famous also for posing 23 foundational unanswered questions about mathematics. In due time over the past 100 years many of his questions have been answered but not all. As a project I feel it would be very interesting to pose in a similar way questions about the Eritrea or the Horn. Might even elevate the discourse. But full blown discussions about Anti De Sitter should be left to other settings. Let’s stay away from the shadows per Saleh. Cheers.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Let me emulate your pedantic tack. The word you are looking for is conjecture as in Hilbert’s conjecture–23 conjectures.

            Eritrea and the Horn are driven and influenced by contingent factors and vagaries. It will be difficult to formulate them in such a way where not only a pattern could be extracted but predict the outcome as well. Comte, the Father of Sociology tried to make the academic discipline a scientific endeavor. The Scottish James Stewart Mill coined the term “Political Economy” when Karl Marx in later years tried to make it more of a scientific to naught. I am sure you are familiar with the “Butterfly Effect” where chaos and it’s outcome can not be predicted with precision but in fairness, a pattern can arise and hence the new idea “Emergent” which is gaining traction among serious thinkers and scientists like yourself alike.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Great now make your first “conjecture”.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligaz,

            You call that an uprising? It is more like public wailing.

            The TPLF were not removed, they just retreated to avoid being accused of ‘Crimes Against Humanity’.

            Recall what your half-brother Menelik said before he died: “Kebtochen Adera”.

          • Nitricc

            The TPLF were not removed, they just retreated to avoid being accused of ‘Crimes Against Humanity’

            Simon; thanks for coming clean. My condolences for your lose, because your TPLF thugs are going, going Gone. by the way what you said the most stupid things to say. Those Tigrayns supporting TPLF are getting stupid and stupid by the day.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Nitricc,

            I have no loss. I just stated the facts.

            “thugs”? Do not be selective. All guerrillas are thugs. You brain-dead parrot, why don’t you find out by deciding to live in Eritrea?

          • Nitricc

            Simon, why are you so ashamed to say for you i am Tigryan and proud of it? be proud who you are, a Tigryan. it is okay, i know you wanted to be Eritrean but be your self. lol you funny,

          • Simon Kaleab

            Nitricc,

            The brain dead parrot.You are diverting from the topic.

            Typical PFDJ fallback line when unable to argue is “you are a Tigrayan”.

      • Abi

        ዻውሎሲ and ሣሚ
        “የአይጥ ምስክሯ ድንቢጥ ” እንዲሉ
        ለቅሶ እየተደራረሳችሁ ጀርባችሁን ስትተካከኩ ለሚያያችሁ አንጀት ትበላላችሁ:: ምስኪኖች::

        • Haile S.

          ጀታው፡

          “የአይጥ ምስክሯ ድንቢጥ ” ኣሉ!

          ታየኝ እኮ ! ኣይጥና ድምቢጥ ሲመሰካከሩ
          በሞቴ ኣልዋልሺው ኣልጣሺው ሲግደረደሩ
          ………ኣንዷ ከጓሮ ከጎተራ ወጥታ
          ኣንዷ ከሰማይ ወርዳ እንደ ጠብታ
          ………………..ጓሮው’ና ወለል ሲጫወቱ
          ……. ከመጥረጊያ ሲያመልጡ ከባለቤቱ
          ኣይሰማዎትም ድምጹ፡ እንጣጥ እንጣቱ?

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Didn’t know you could master Amharic with finesse. Impressive!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            That’s what I said: Impressive.
            Honestly I don’t even know the meanings of most of the words he used; but still impressive.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Haile S.

            Selam Semere,

            ድምቢጥ is the tiny reddish bird that comes picking seeds left to dry in the front yard. ጢጡ or ጢጦ in tigrigna.

          • Hashela

            Hi Semere

            I am a bit confused about where to put Haile. Sometime, I think that an entire family consisting of a molecular biologist, a linguist, a zoologist, a botanist, an orientalist is posting comments using a single account.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            I think you are confounding me with Paul, the Hawk who doesn’t miss anything readable.
            I am more a second-handy-man, thus my live for old history books.

            Growing in Asmara, my favorite places were መደበር፡ ዕዳጋ ሓራጅ ኣብ ጎደና (ካብ ሹቕ ዝድይባ ጎደናታት ክሳብ እንዳማርያም)ን፡ እስካሪኮን (ዓርበ-ረቡዕ)። These places certainly influenced me to be jack of all. And now, my favorite TV show is the Pickers.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            It did not escape my attention that you are a deeply humble person. Bu but but (as Semere would say), how can I confuse you with somebody else!

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I agree with that guy. You are the real deal where I dwarf in comparison. Been meaning to ask you about the history behind መደበር. How and when did it start and who started it. Thanks.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ‘ዘን ክልተ ተረገማት ዶተረታት [ሃይላት ምስ ጳውሎሳይ]
            ንቴኖን ባቶን ‘ኳ ኽን ተዘክራኒ።
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQquhsmNcuA

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ምሃንድሻ፡

            መሃንድሻ እንቛዕ ተወለድካ
            ቴኖን ባጦን ምስልና ረኺብካ

            ክንድዚ ኣስሒቕካ ከተሰርንቐኒ
            ውነይ ክትጠፍእ ቁሩብ ተሪፉኒ

            ጽናሕ ኣንታ ኣኼስ!!!!! 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሊቀ-ሊቃውንቲታት: ሃይላት-ምስ-ጳውሎሳይ
            ሰሓቕ ሞይተ!

            ምሁርን ፈላጥን በበይኑ
            ትሓደ ትምህርቲ ቀሲሙ
            ባጀላ ተሸኪሙ

            ትሓደ ግን ፍልጠቱ ዓሚቕ
            ኣየዳሉ ኣይንዕቕ
            ዔላ ፍልጠቱ ኣፍንጫ ይስርንቕ
            ናይ ዘለ-ኣለም ምህርቲ የስንቕ

            ንሃይላት ምስ ጳውሎስ
            ጽን ኢሉ ዝሰምዕ ዝዕገስ

            ቤተ መጻሕፍቲ
            ኣብ ናይ ክልተ-ሓንጎል ልፍንቲ

            ተሰኒዱ
            ንዘንብብ ረኺቡ መኣዱ
            ከምዝ ኸማይ!

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            You should see me laughing. The Asmarino language seems to have frozen in time. ቴኖ reminded me ቆሎ a guy I grew up with where the moniker got stuck with him for he was selling ቆሎ around Bociofila and Junior club as well. The guy was gifted in every sense of the word including creating new slangs as ቴኖ and ባጦን were sporting in the dialogue.

            More over, ካልሶላዮ reminded me a ካልሶላዮ store in the same area which was run by two young cool brothers where the store in the mid to late 80s became a hung out for young Asmarinos where they hit and meet them pretty gals. Lane of great memories. Thank you for the laugh ኢንጂኔረ ዓርከይ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            ከምዝሪኤካ: ከይተፋለጥና ኣይንተርፍን!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul, Berhe, Semere, Abi, Hashela and all,

            It all started with Abi’s ድምቢጥ and we went all over. Don’t know where to start. BTW, you need to watch Mehandis’s link, it is hilarious.

            I checked Liqemezemran Moges’s book:
            Semere, on ውሒጅ it says:
            ውሒጅ ኪወስድ እናሰሓቐ፡ ተንኮለኛ ከትጥፍ እናተራቐቐ.

            Berhe, on ሽሮ፡
            ሽሮ ንልቢ የደንቁሮ፡ ንዓይኒ የዕሮ።

            Paul, መደበር was built as a caravansary or courtyard in 1914 for the caravans and merchants transporting goods between Massawa and Abyssinian highlands. It was built to facilitate the exchange of commerce and resting place for the caravans and also acting as a central weighing station as per the indigenous peoples’s way of weighing goods, before the acceptance by those people of European (modern) standards of weighing. Midern weighing stations were built some years later across the St Mary church in Ferrovia on the road to Massawa. I am sure, you know the weighing station for trucks (ሚዛን and petrol station).

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            It is only you we can rely on for invaluable and yet scarce resources. No kidding. 1914? That is pretty amazing as in the year World War I started. I asked several people about Medeber and nobody seemed to know for sure. Thank you so much.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Hailat,

            I think Mehandis is Wedi Shuq:), if you guys are Batu and Teno.

            I don’t know if you call but we were discussing that video with A.Osman last week of the comedian Yonas Maynus and those two actors, and the wediShuq Corona video. Kalselayo is where I first seen him.

            Now you have to watch the rest of Wedi Shuq series.

            Speaking of comedy, is there any comedy channel from Tigray in Tigrinya? I have never come across.

            The only sort of show / music that I remover is one during TPLF time, they guy singing “zigedefekey Gamblayo” remembering his father who left to join the front and leaving him behind gamblayo.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ብርሂን!
            ክትሳፈዪ ጀሚርኪ ሙሽ ሓቀይ? ኣነ ወዲ ሹቕ ዘይኮንኩስ ሹቕ ‘የ [ካብ ሓንቲ ናይ ኤረትራ ተዋስኦ ተለቂሐ] ። ናይ ካናዳ ቆጽለ-መጽሊ ክትጥቕልሊ ጀሚርኪ መስለኒ?
            ቦራዕራዕ ‘ዶ ክብል ጀሚረ ሓቀይ?

            ኣብ ባር-በረኸት ኮፍ ኢልና ካፑቺኖ ክንሰቲ ይረኣየኒ! I insist, I will pick the tab.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            Nay biHaqi Wedi Shuq:). KeTEmelka.

            qiSli meSli dea legal enduyu:), Hiji emo nay faratat keman koynu.

            Bar Bereket AjoKa Hanti meAlti ala.

            b my death:)

            Berhe

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            እኔም ይታዪኛል ሁለቱ ፍጡራን
            አፍ ለአፍ ገጥመው ሲያወግዙ ሌላውን
            አካላቸው ገጥሞ ሰምሮ ሃሳባቸው
            ተቀላቀለና ደካማ ስጋቸው
            የሌሊት ወፍ መስለው ሰው ተፀየፋቸው

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selan ጋሸ ኣቢ

          What is ድንቢጥ?

          Semere Tesfai

    • Mokie Berhe

      Salam Samuel. Compared to when the TPLF ‘Incremental Democracy’ was last in power a few years back, Ethiopia’s Freedom of Press global ranking has quickly improved, moving up 43 notches. Similarly, Ethiopia has made dramatic improvements in terms of human rights indexes compared to before. Just makes TPLF digital Woyane wanna scratch their heads in bewilderment wonder how really terribly bad things were just a few years ago during the TPLF heyday.

      • Samuel

        Selam Mokie Berhe,
        I am happy to discuss facts, facts first.
        Regarding “Freedom of Press”, yes, you right, Abiy’s administration has improved it, Kudus to him. I am not going to make any excuse about EPRDF, they were bad on freedom of press.

        Regarding “human rights indexes”, let’s aside the index part because that is a measure of years of reports, thus they may not have Abiy’s administration human right violation report yet, thus let’s focus on the facts.
        Based on former PM Hailemariam interview on “DW’s Conflict Zone” there are more killings and more arrests in the last two years than his administration and MZ admin combined. I will post the video tomorrow. What’s happening in Oromia region State, Amhara regional State and South regional State is beyond one can imagine, its inhuman.

        Even ESAT and Ethio360 has started to report about it, I guess they start to understand that the country is going in the wrong direction.
        Listen to what Oromo activists and opposition parties are saying about Abiy administration, the killing and torture has grown exponentially.

        Yes EPRDF has arrested and tortured citizens, but what PP has done in the last two years and what they continue to do today has no parallel at all. They don’t even admit a single torture, that much they are cruel.

        During EPRDF, OPDO (Oromia PP today) and ANDM (Amhara PP today) elites have been arresting and torturing their own citizens for their own evil agenda, to weaken EPRDF, thus they are continuing today what they used to do then, aggressively. If they are pro-democracy why are they arresting in mass and torturing peaceful citizens? Why?

        Why do you have command post for over a year in Oromia region State, Amhara regional State and South regional State? Why? Where is the change?

        Thanks,

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          You will have to go easy on Mokie for he started accusing TPLF since 1961 way before TPLF was created. I know it is strange but you will get use to it as we all in this Forum were first puzzled but we got the hung of it later on. No sweat with the facts and data just tell him what he likes to hear.

        • Mokie Berhe

          Salam Samuel. Appreciate your acknowledgement that Freedom of Press is much better now under PMAA than under TPLF Mafia wherein rampant rapes murders, and humans rights abuses largely went unreported.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat Samuel,
      I just read this on today’s BBC and life seems to get cheaper by the day on that area:
      Ethiopian army ‘shot man dead because phone rang’ – Amnesty

      • Paulos

        ኢንጂኔረ,

        እዛ ኣቢ ዝብልዋ ወዲ ነዛ ኖበል ፕራይዝ ሒዛታ ሃርባ ከምትገብር ግጡም’ዩ፣ ምኽንያቱ እቶም ዋናታታ ምለሰልና ከይበልዋ ኣይተርፉን’ዮም።

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ዶተረ:
          ‘ዛ ለኽባጥ ሰብኣይ ሓንቲ ተዋጽኣ [ምርጫ ተሳዒረ] ኢላ ቀልጢፋ ‘ተተኣልያ ተስፋ ‘ለዋ ባጀላኣ ክትእክብ።
          ተዘይኴኑ ክምንዝዕዋ ‘ዮም።
          ዓርኪ ሰባር ነቓዕ! ‘ኳ ኢሎሞ ዮም።

      • Nitricc

        It is funny when your bother in Mekelle shoots an innocent young man because the young man was having home-made beer; you didn’t say a word. Now, you are saying this BS. what a pity. I will never understand the Tigrayns like yourself love the TPLF thugs. I have no clue.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Private Nitiric,
          When you are consuming Gojam’s taff, ኣሳዳጊ የበደለው ጎጃሜ, I was in the middle of heated war. For God’s sake, say thank you to Gojam. They fed you, all your life before you became a USA low level soldier.
          You have zero qualification to talk about Eritrea. Your illiterate family fed you nonsense info and you are wasting digital space here. Your only qualification is to speak street english. 50 something kid!

          • Nitricc

            Yes ass hole. mahandis my foot. you are ignorant Tigryan and stupid,

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            Nitricc has built or is building a retirement hidmo in Eritrea. Being over-zealous on this forum is an insurance policy to protect his investment.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Nitricc
          abi “tella” will disappointed whith ur remark on “home made beer” things for two reasons, i think he knew them and deceive this stuupids by saying “whisky” and protesting by throwing ” half filled whisky bottle”,
          U know why .

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. Regarding the TPLF, the answer remains clear, they simply need to withdraw from Eritrean land for which they continue to illegally occupy. There should be no need on an Eritrean opposition website for folks to constantly engage with the TPLF’s Digital Army who are relentlessly trying to package and sell false accolades/achievements of the TPLF and to defend them to the hilt. The TPLF continues to fracture and divide Eritrean opposition efforts. Had the TPLF withdrawn from Badme, PIA/PFDJ would have no leg to stand upon in terms of justifying delays in desperately needed Government reform and accountability. The TPLF is simply adamant in playing a power preservation game at the detriment of both Eritreans and Ethiopians.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    መን ኣሎ ዝንቡዕ ከም ህዝቢ ኤረትራ
    ተደርብዩ ‘ንከሎ ኣብ ሓሳረ-መከራ
    ይዛረብ! የህተፍትፍ!
    ከምዘሎ ኣብ ምድረ-ሓራ

    ድሕሪ ናጽነት ተሰዲዱ
    ‘ንዳረኣየ ባዲሙ ዓዱ
    ኣብ ወጻኢ ኴኑ ምስ መለአ ከብዱ

    መን ኣሎ ከም ኤርትራዊ! ይብል
    ‘ምበርዶ ይፈልጥ ‘ዩ ኣብ ዝሎሚ
    ኤረትራዊ ከብዱ ከምዘየዐንግል???

    ይፈልጥ ‘ዶ ኤረትራዊ ክብረቱ ባይታ ከም ዝዝበጠ???
    ከመይሉ ‘ዩ ሕጂ ዝምካሕ መን ምዃኑ ከይፈለጠ
    ኣብ ፈቖዶ ስደት ‘ናተኸላበተ
    ሽሮ ‘ናበለዐ ዝመስል ቅልጽሙ ዘሕበጠ

    ዝገርመኒ
    ነቶም ‘ናፈለጡ
    ብእንግልዝኛ ስለ ስጸሓፉ ፈላጣት ዝመስሉ

    ህግደፍ ‘ናቐተሎም
    ክብረት ከምዘይህቦም
    ‘ናፈለጡ
    ኣብ ዓዋተ መጺኦም ዘዕለብጡ
    ይፈልጡዶ????
    ክብረቶም ከምዝተቐንጠጡ
    ብላሽ ምሁራት በሃልቲ
    ናይ ታሪኽ ሽንቲ
    መጋበርያ ናይ ህግደፍ ዓቀይቲ
    መሳስይቲ
    ንሱ ምስጠፈአ ዝሽርቡ ከም ደቂ-ሕድርቲ
    ከም ሓሙኽሽቲ

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. You gotta love the TPLF. Who else can say -You should thank me {the TPLF} for economically raping you cuz you got a lot of new plastic buildings which shows development. Who cares if the TPLF was the one to benefit 99% from process and now owns most of Ethiopia; you need to understand the larger picture😉

    • Brhan

      Hello Mokie,
      Thanks .Now, I “understand the larger development picture”

      If Egypt was the gift of Nile, then the Renaissance Dam is gift of Tigray (TPLF).

      ምን ኣሉ? ኣባይን የደፈረ! ……..

      • Paulos

        Selam Brhan,

        Egypt wouldn’t have objected the construction of the Dam if the Weyanes had genuine intentions to build it but as President Isaias and PM Dr. Abiy rightly pointed it out, the Weyanes tried to build the Dam for political consumption only where they never had good intentions for Ethiopia at heart. Again, PM Dr. Abiy was right to stop the construction and see the larger picture in making peace with Egypt instead. Moreover, the Ethiopian people were never for the construction of the Dam when they were coerced to do so by the Mafia Weyanes. And that is precisely the reason that the nation and the Ethiopian people are finally at peace with themselves.

        • Mokie Berhe

          Paul. Will Egypt attack, or threaten to attack, the GERD with assistance of the TPLF? Why is Seyoum Mefin now communicating with the Egyptian Government in regard to the GERD dam? TPLF representatives have communicated to the Egyptian Government that if the old EPRDF returns to power before the GERD dam water filling is completed, they will consider the dam to be jointly owned by Egypt and Ethiopia. Cairo views the new proposition from the TPLF as a positive step towards putting their hands on the GERD project despite earlier sharp criticism of it. The Egyptian Government has informed TPLF representatives that they will clarify their position soon regarding co-ownership and method of operating the dam, and how to fill it with water in times of flood and drought. The TPLF is “banking on war” between Egypt and Ethiopia and has “hedged against Ethiopia by investing all on Cairo” as Egypt threatened to bomb the dam and go to war if Ethiopia starts filling the water in July.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            Well, if the Weyanes tried to stymie the new dawn through back channels, it doesn’t hold water anymore, simply because as things stand and as you know, the current and former leaders of the Weyanes are under arrest when the gallant and unstoppable ፈንቅል youth of Tigrai took matters into their own hands. No more mafia Weyanes. Egypt needs to apologize to His Excellency P.M. Dr. Abiy Ahmed and His Excellency Dr. Professor Aregawi Berhe who is soon to assume the much awaited leadership in Tigrai. I like to extend my best wishes and congratulations to the people of Tigrai for freeing themselves from the clutches and oppressive hand of the Weyane junta.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. Free the people of Tigray from abusive TPLF rule! “Demonstrators in several towns of Tigray, including Shire Endasilassie and Wajirat, went on to the streets on Sunday calling on the region’s ruling party, the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) to respect the rule of law, improve infrastructure and create employment opportunities, Radio Fana reported. The demonstrators carried slogans protesting about widespread nepotism and the abandonment of the masses by elite leadership.” The Tigray Communication Affairs Bureau has denied reports of public protests. *Source: Ethiopia Observer.

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      It looks like it is the end of TPLF. Finally the people of Tigrai are roaring and standing up to the tyranny of TPLF. As we speak, the uprise is all over Tigrai–from Maay-Chew to Shire [South to North] and from Adi-Grat to Humera [East to West]. I think Abiy should send the Federal Army to Tigrai to help out the oppressed people of Tigrai for history will be unfair to him if he fails to help them out when they beg him in their time of need. I call on every Awatista to stand with the people of Tigrai in this historic landmark as they fight against the brutal dictatorship of TPLF junta. Down down TPLF! Can you please repeat after me? Thanks.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Shhh Paul! The TPLF might not understand your sarcasm and mistakenly take away your TPLF stipend. On the side, please share in advance your list of fire sale items as I might wish to purchase a hotel, house or two.

        • Paulos

          Mokie,

          I was being serious. Not sure if you’ve already heard–Debretsion, and Gebrewahid are under house arrest. Getachew Assefa got caught at the border fleeing feigning a woman and Fetlework the same thing–got apprehended at the border trying to flee putting on a mustache masquerading as a man. Getachew Reda as well got caught at the border masquerading as a Sumo Wrestler. Abiy is to go on air to address the nation but the announcement is being delayed for his advisors are divided whether he should put on a military fatigue or a three piece suit.

          • Abi

            Paul
            “ማሽላ እያረረ ይስቃል”
            I forgot the five stages of grief.
            Denial, anger… No, sorry, I messed up. It is like Sarcasm, drama, denial… I messed up again.
            Help!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I actually thought it was Popcorn እያረረ ይስቃል.

            As for the stages, they have been updated to ten stages including on how to specifically deny the apparent downfall of the nasty and brutal Weyanes.

            Do you remember Mengistu’s last speech at the University when he said, ተንቀናል ብታምኑም ባታምኑም በቁማችን ሞተናል and he goes on to say, በኣድዋ በሽረ ወያነ…..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            The original ዕምባባ is ማሽላ. Remember we call popcorn ዕምባባ አመሪካ.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Yea you’re right. I was just messin with Abination.

            If you notice most Eritrean mothers including my mother say, ፖፕኮርኒ where I used to chuckle at her pronunciation. And she also says ክልተ ባውንዲ when she meant to say pounds. It’s kinda funny. The funniest of all is when she says, ኦህዮ when she tells people that her sister lives in Ohio.

          • Abi

            ዻውሎሲ
            ማኮሮኒ ፓስቲኒ ቴላቴሊ ባኒ …
            ፖፕኮርኒ takes the ኬኪ🙈

          • Abi

            Paul
            Popcorn is fancy, brother. We grew up eating ማሽላ :: You already forgot about it.
            What Mengistu said back then will be repeated by ዓፄ አምደፅዮን at dedebit cave. Same content, different language.
            Thanks for the update on the stages of grief.
            Now I add sarcasm and drama and ተታሎ ማታለል and እያረሩ መሣቅ , እያደሩ መክሳት, on the list.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Paulos. That you for saying ‘Finally the people of Tigrai are roaring and standing up to the tyranny of TPLF. As we speak, the uprise is all over Tigrai–from Maay-Chew to Shire [South to North] and from Adi-Grat to Humera [East to West]’.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam M.B.,

      “The demonstrators carried slogans protesting about widespread nepotism and the abandonment of the masses by elite leadership.

      This sounds like Eritrea, minus the demonstrations. It seems that Eritrea and Tigray are in the same boat – no confidence in the leadership from their people.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Salam Simon Kaleab. You are indeed correct. The TPLF and the PFDJ are two brutal dictatorships, totally out of touch with the needs of their people, who have impaled wonton and unforgiveable damage to Ethiopia and Eritrea and their citizenry. Fall hard shall they, never to be forgiven and destined to live out the rest of their lives and purgatory and shame. Both Ethiopia and Eritrea simply deserve far better.

        • Paulos

          Mokie,

          You are not being fair. True that they are both bad but TPLF is far worse than PFDJ. As they say, ኮታ’ስ ብኹሉ መዐቀኒታት.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. Following discussions between PIA and PMAA, members of the Tigray People’s Democratic Movement (TPDM) – known as “Demhit” have now returned to Eritrea. To recall that Demhit had merged with TPLF when they have earlier arrived in Tigray from their previous base in Eritrea. The group said, “Demhit’s refusal to join TPLF’s recent full-fledged campaign for Independence and to disintegrate Ethiopia, is their principal reason.” Members of Demhit detailed how the TPLF imprisoned and used them for political gain. Demhit said the corrupt TPLF officials’ main focus is their personal and financial gain and that they are clearly not interested in making a genuine peace with Ethiopians and Eritreans. To emphasize that the TPLF has been treating the Ethiopian people and Federal government with contempt by refusing to get rid of Eritrean “Tequamerti opposition” groups and disobeying the decision by the Permanent Court of Arbitration to hand over Eritrea’s territories. Eritrean Tequamerti Mesfin Hagos and others are still funded by the TPLF and based in Tigray.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam M.B.,

      You said ““Demhit” have now returned to Eritrea.”

      Can you explain in what way this can help Eritreans?

      Will it increase the country’s GDP and increase individual income?

      Will it bring individual freedom?

      • Paulos

        Selam Simon,

        What is GDP?

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Paulos,

          I am sure you already know.

          Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is the monetary value of all finished goods and services made within a country during a specific period. GDP provides an economic snapshot of a country, used to estimate the size of an economy and growth rate.

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            Great thanks. Would you say it is still relevant in the 21st Century? Or would you say it is an outdated index. My understanding is that, it started out to measure Utility and as you know, Utility is a satisfaction one draws from consuming something.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            You can discuss, with your classmates, which economic index is appropriate to use in a classroom setting around the clock if you wish. But in the context of Demhit’s return to Eritrea announced by Mokie this is hardly relevant.

            Another childish urge for digression and attention seeking, I presume?

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            Bingo! You got me brother. I agree though, better to talk about DemHit instead.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Salam Simon Kaleab. Unfortunately not; it just more of the same BS game. As before, the TPLF’s actions or lack of, wrongly gives reason to PIA’s mantenance of the status quo. Things would be made a whole lot easier/clearer if the TPLF would withdraw from Badme. There would then obviously be no need for each side to suppport rebel groups. In the current isntance, it is the TPLF which precipitated events by going against the Ethiopian Federal Government directive in not allowing Eritrean oppostiion groups to be based/accomodated in Ethiopia (Tigray); PIA is simply recipricating. Remember the song ‘War Pigs” by Black Sabbath?

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Assuming my understanding of the Amharic language is correct, and assuming the news I heard is reliable – the Tigray Regional Government has drawn a line in the sand. It has warned the Abiy government not to cross the redline it drew. Through it mass-media, the Tigrean Regional government said:

    A. – Annulling the Ethiopian Federal System of Government is tantamount to (a) declaring war on Ethiopian nations and nationalities (b) turning the clock back to where Ethiopia was before the Woyane Revolution: a dungeon of Nations and Nationalities (የብሄረ-ብሄረሰብ እስር ቤት).

    B. – If the Federal System of Ethiopia is annulled, there will be chaos in Ethiopia and in the whole Red Sea Horn region; and the security and free flow of the 60% of the world trade that passes through the Red Sea shipping-lane would be endangered

    C. – For the past two years, unfairly – Tigreans, the Tigray Region, the Tigray regional government has been a target of the ኣምባገነናዊ Abiy government’s smear campaign. And as the past smear campaign was not enough, the Abiy government is threatening war if Tigray region goes to the polls to elect its leaders.

    C. – It congratulated the Eritrean people for their 29th independence celebration.

    N.B. Happy independence day my special ወንድም ኣማች, እንኳን ለሃያ ዘጠኝ ዓመት የኢትዮጵያ ነጻነት ኣደረሰዎት።

    ገንዘብካ!

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abi

      የቀንየለይ ወንድም አማች
      እንኳን እርስዎም ለሃያ ዘጠነኛው ዓመት የኤርትራ የልደት በዓል በሰላምና በብልፅግና አደረሰዎት::
      መጭው ዘመንም የተድላና የፍስሃ እንዲሆን ምኞቴ ነው::

    • Selam Semere Tesfai,
      Tplf/woyane has found itself between a rock and a hard place. It looks like it is falling into the hole it has been digging for others. It is in a quick sand, and the more it fights the more it is sucked into it. Tplf is fighting a losing battle. Time is working against it, and yet it continues to gamble with the fate of the people of tigray. It is mean, arrogant and ignorant.
      Tplf/woyane should understand that it is not the federation that is in danger, but its own power and survival. The fake ethnic federation that was controlled by tplf and served its interest will be made a true and a democratic one. The signs are already there that the country is going towards that goal. Tplf is using this narrative to bring the so called Federalists on its side. They know that tplf wants to use them for its own purpose, and of course they want to use tplf for their own as well.
      The security and free flow of trade in the red sea will be endangered. That is too much of a bravado and empty words that signify absolutely nothing. Let me ask, with which power, with which navy? Tplf/woyane can steale a ship and sell it, but it has built no navy. It can’t even do what Al Shabab succeeded to do for that short period of time. It is similar to what some Egyptian journalists said, that Egypt will close the Suez canal if Ethiopia fills the dam. I see no relation.
      For the past two years tplf had been asking for war and the federal government has refused to give it. Worse still for tplf, it doesn’t have the power to wage war on others. Now, it says that dictator Abiy is threatening it with war. Funny, how roles are flipped over so easily by tplf, when it tells us that tplf is democratic while others are dictators. Some digital woyane social media activists were boasting that war is in their culture, maybe in their genes, and they are afraid of no war and no one.
      All these show that tplf is becoming frustrated and losing hope. Nevertheless, as a gamble it continues to play, even when it know that it is doomed to lose, just in case good luck may come its way, which is out of the question.

      • Abi

        Hello Horizon
        የወያኔ መሪዎች በሶስት ይከፈላሉ
        –ከፊሉ እድሜያቸው ገፍቶ በአራቸው የሚጫወቱ በተውሶ እድሜ የሚኖሩ መሰሪዎች
        –ከፊሉ በውስኪ ናላቸው የዞረ ሰካራሞች
        –ከፊሉ በተሰረቀ ሃብት ሰክረው ደሃን የፈጠሩ የሚመስላቸው ጥጋበኞች

        ታዲያ እነዚህ የዞረባቸውና ጊዜም ያለፈባቸው ነፈዞች በሰከረ አንጎላቸው , በሚብረከረክ እግራቸው እየተንገዳገዱ መጠጥ ባኮማተረው ምላሳቸው ቢንተባተቡ ማን ይሰማቸዋል?
        ቀይ ባህርን እናደርቀዋለን ነው ያሉት? እነሱ እኮ አይሉም አይባልም!
        መቼስ እብድ አይከሰስ ወይ አይወቀስ …

        ውይአነ!

      • Samuel

        Selam Horizon,
        You said… “The fake ethnic federation that was controlled by tplf and served its interest will be made a true and a democratic one.”

        How? can you be more intellectual and describe how the “fake” ethnic federalism can be modified to “true” ethnic federalism? Just curious. Remember, even if you flip a coin the value remains the same. You may not like the “head” of a 10 cent coin, but if you want flip the coin to get the “tail” I am ok with that.
        Welcome to the world of ethnic federalism.

        Thanks,

        • Selam Samuel,
          On the occasion of Ginbot 20, the vice president of the Somali state said, I am paraphrasing, the change that tplf says brought did more harm to the Somali people than good. While they got the right to use their language and self rule, nevertheless, human rights abuse by tplf in the Somali region was so widespread and inhuman that the disadvantages were greater than the benefits. Hate politics, fanning animosity between ethnic groups, killings and contempt for the Somali people were characteristic of tplf ethnic federalism. More developmental projects were carried out in the state the last two yrs compared to the 27 yrs of tplf rule.
          Gudina Merara, the president of OFC on his part said that the sacrifices of the people of ethiopia was hijacked by tplf. Its selfish, undemocratic and dictatorial ways erased the fruits of the sacrifices of the people of ethiopia that could have been shared by all.
          These are some of the things the fake tplf ethnic federalism did not contain. Democracy, freedom, equality, equitable development and true self rule were among the things that didn’t exist under tplf. On the contrary, everything to the opposite existed. That is why i said, if ethnic federalism is here to stay, there should be the above items, and the resources of the regional states should not be robbed by the ruling group as it happened during tplf/weyane rule. These are the things the incumbent government should implement (has vowed to implement) to show that it is different from tplf.
          You need not be an intellectual to understand these basic things.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            I can understand your resentments and hatred messages, I have heard it for 29 years, I won’t respond to that.
            The core content of your message is “if ethnic federalism is here to stay, there should be the above items,”. Yes you have used “if” but I am glad slowly but surely you have understood that ethnic federalism is the choice of the majority of Ethiopians. I see progress from your side, “compromise” is one of the great political tool that we all have to use.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            Don’t be so happy. Ethnic federalism will be useful until those who are addicted to ethnic ultranationalism are cured from the poison they were fed by tplf (eg. Oromo federalists). Ethiopia is more or less an exception for ethnic federalism (zenawism). Those who have been obsessed with and addicted to it should be gradually weaned off, and not abruptly. In the long run Ethiopians will come to understand that ethnic federalism is no good for peace, stability and harmony. For the time being, out of necessity, one has to let people until they understand that United they are stronger and immune to those who aspire for ethnic superiority and hegemony over others like tplf, who divide and weakened the ethnic groups in order to rule. Therefore, it is your personal opinion and wish. I am trying to tell you what is practical for Ethiopia at the present moment. The future is not yet with us. It could be a different world. While you divide the country, there are others who unite it. You say unity is equivalent to the hegemony of one ethnic group. What did ethnic federalism bring? It brought the hegemony of tplf with all its side effects. No difference.
            Ethnic federalism has an expiry date.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            Yo said … “More developmental projects were carried out in the state the last two yrs compared to the 27 yrs of tplf rule.”

            Wow, Can you list those projects please? I am interested to hear that, I hope readers of your comment don’t take it seriously.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            Listen to the news on z-habesha, if you accept news coming from other sources other than tplf. On the occasion of Ginbot 20, the somali state deputy president, Mustefe Ummer, has listed the developments in his state pro and post 2018.
            In the previous one and half years fifty high schools were constructed in the somali state, while only seven within five years during tplf rule, potable water, roads, job creation for 200K young people, etc.. The budget for the state was being stolen by tplf officials and their somali accomplices, some of whom are found in prison today. Contraband trade carried out by tplf officials has subsided, etc. You can listen yourself.
            Tplf has changed roles, from the accused to the accuser. It says that the incumbent government is authoritarian/dictatorial like the derg, soon there will be no government in ethiopia, prisons are full, slavery under a unitary government is coming back, the federal government is terrorizing and torturing prisoners, etc. These were said by tplf on the occasion of Ginbot 20. Has it lost its self-awareness or is it the extent to which tplf can tell lies.
            መቀባጠር እውነት ሊሆን ኣይችልም፣ ከወደቁም በኋላ መንፈራገጥ ለመለማምጥ ካልሆነ ዋጋ የለዉም። Tplf and its supporters should have known.
            Who will believe when tplf is saying the above from its hideout in mekelle. No one, except its supporters. This shows that it has become delusional and it is hallucinating, thus confusing the reality, when all it needs to do is to accept its crimes and apologize to the people of ethiopia and especially to the people of tigray whose trust it has betrayed.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam samuel
          Ethiopians nations and nationalities or ethiopia ethnicities or people of ethiopia or peoples of ethiopia knows their interest, they know what is best for them, they r not stuupd like u guys, they r not playing a sick game like u guys for nothing . So democracy will solve the problem, accepting the will and choose of the majority of the people will solve the problem. Why u people always assume other people only think negative and bad like u.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Horizon, Gashe Abi, and all proud Tigreans

        I know it is not my business, but I’m just curious. So, hoping you don’t see this as unwelcome intrusion; and excusing my intrusion if you do – would you please tell me what you think:

        1. – Today, the Tigreans have walked the walk – they have crossed the Rubicon, proving all the skeptics and naysayers wrong; they have proved to all Ethiopians and to the world that – TPLF and Tigreans are not the same; that they are fed-up with the corrupt TPLF rule like the majority of Ethiopians. And in my opinion, today, they have proved to all Ethiopians and to all skeptics that they are Ethiopians, and they are in it (Ethiopia) together, for better for worse.

        2. – The uprising in Tigray is not being led by mature, experienced, savvy, seasoned, calculating career politicians. It is led by young daredevil activists who are sticking their neck out exposing themselves to a grave danger. Therefore, it is expected this daredevil young activists are going to make many mistakes as they fight the TPLF political machine.

        Now tell me:

        A. – Besides giving them publicity and free airtime, legally, can the Federal Government of Ethiopia protect these young Tigrean activists and the people of Tigray who are out in the open in opposition to the TPLF regional government from the unthinkable. Meaning: if the Woyanes try to suppress the uprising with brute force, what would the Ethiopian Federal Government do? If I’m not mistaken, according to the Ethiopian Federal Constitution, federal forces can’t interfere in internal Killil affairs unless they are invited by the Killil government? Am I right?

        B. – How do you marginalize towards insignificance, or completely defeat the TPLF government without hurting the people of Tigray (economically and with social services) – after all they are Ethiopians who shouldn’t be sacrificed for the benefit of all?

        C. – How do the other Ethiopian ethnics – specially the Amaras (as close neighbors) and the Oromos (as the the biggest ethnic group and as in the government’s driver seat) – show their love, their support, their camaraderie, their respect towards their Ethiopian/Tigrean compatriots?

        D. – Mind you: these Tigrean young activists and their supporters are going to be labeled by the TPLF Bigwigs as traitors, sellouts, anti-Tigreans, anti-Tigrean fallen heros, servants of Amaras and Oromos………. And the Ethiopian government, the Amara government, the Oromo government more than others Kill governments have an obligation to prove to the Tigrean people and to the world that – that is not the case. They have to prove to Tigreans that this is a genuine partnership for equal benefit of all Ethiopians.

        E. – Now is the Ethiopian federal government, and all the Ethiopian killils ready, willing, and able to show their love and support to the Tigrean people in this trying time? Amaras, Oromos and all other ethiopian ethnics – please show your love and support to the Tigrean people. That’s my two cents.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Semere Tesfai
          Agree with u but in my opinion the best way , the easier way and for good to defeat tplf and tplf’s sympathizers is by implementing the current system and constitution democratically and accordingly. If the federal gov implements the current system and constitution accordingly, tplf will be nothing indirectly. tplf or “fenekel” r tigrai problem, the other people’s of ethiopia already paid a heavy unnecessary price for over 45 years, because of the problem that comes out of tigrai. repeating same mistake over and over again is not good.
          Note, don’t forget tplf right now, the last 3 years is working hard to save tigrai .

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Tedros Alem

            “TPLF or “fenekel” r tigrai problem, the other people’s of ethiopia already paid a heavy unnecessary price for over 45 years, because of the problem that comes out of tigrai. repeating same mistake over and over again is not good.”

            Isn’t the objective PPP to create Ethiopia that sees beyond Killill, linguistic, ethnic divisions. Don’t you wish to see a day where an Ethiopian is identified just as an Ethiopian – without any identifying subnational identities.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hashela

            Selam Tesfai

            With TPLF and PFDJ being a bitterly fighting Siamese that share life-sustaining organs and arteries, I wonder how PFDJ is watching the development in Tigrai. Wouldn’t a cost-benefit analysis by PFDJ lead to a conclusion that favors the continuous presence/existence of TPLF?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hashela

            1. – “With TPLF and PFDJ being a bitterly fighting Siamese that share life-sustaining organs and arteries, I wonder how PFDJ is watching the development in Tigrai. Wouldn’t a cost-benefit analysis by PFDJ lead to a conclusion that favors the continuous presence/existence of TPLF?”

            Few points:

            1. – TPLF died a long time ago – when it chose life under quarantine in Meqele to be exact. As you know, Tigray was living with excesses, extravagance, and high expenditures that is beyond its means – all subsidized by the central Federal government. That being the reality, even if the people of Tigray were to be 100% loyal supporters and followers of TPLF, there was no way on earth the TPLF leadership could fund all the excesses of Tigray without being subsidized by the Federal Government. All the Tigrean – health services, schools from grade school upto universities, armed men and women in uniforms, government bureaucrats, paved streets, airports….. were not funded/maintained by Tigrean tax payers. Therefore, the TPLF government caught between a rock and hard place (Isaias and Abioy) it was inevitable to collapse due to its own weight – it was just a matter of time.

            2. – For us Eritreans, under any circumstance, our interest is better served when we have close relation with Addis government rather than with Tigray government in Meqele. More respect, more access to world powers, bigger market, bigger investment, better security and stability. Therefore, Isaias or no Isaias our interest is served better when we secure close relation with Addis government.

            3. – I’ve said this many times and let me say it again. Ethio-Eritrean close relation is inversely proportional to the distance between the Asmara government and the dominant Ethiopian ethnic at Menelik Palace. The further from Asmara the dominant Ethiopian ethnic in Menelik Palace, the better the relations. Today the Oromos are on the driver’s seat in Menelik Palace, therefore, Ethio-Eritrean relation is as best as it can get – especially when the Tigreans are openly trying to distabilize the Addis government. Let me explain a little more

            4. – The main threats for Eritrean sovereignty are the political concepts of Unionists, AgAzians, the we’re all Habesh, 3000 year old common history, Red Sea Obsession, common culture, common faith (Tewahdo), common feature, common dress, common dish……….. folks from our south. And who are the source of all these threat? Yes, the Amara and Tigrean elite. Oromos and the other Ethiopian ethnics elite are not as obsessed as Amara and Tigrean elites on the above mentioned issues.

            5. – The dominating Ethiopian ethnic in Addis is not going to antagonize Eritreans and Tigreans all at the same time. That would be a stupid political blunder. The last time they antagonize both Eritreans and Tigreans (ሁለቱ ትግሬዎች) they know what happened. And they won’t make the same mistake twice.

            6. – Therefore, under any circumstance, Isaias’ PFDJ would benefit more/better when he maintain good relation with Abiy as oppose to with Meqele folks.

            7. – As to what lesson the PFDJ government have/could learn(ed) from TPLF, there is no valuable lesson from anyone that could save the PFDJ government from its demise – only the weakness of the Eritrean opposition would.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hashela

            Selam Tesfai

            Thanks for the reply. My view is consistent with yours outlined in 1-5.
            I am not sure 6. IMO, PFDJ needs a friend and an enemy.

          • Samuel

            Selam Semere,
            I am not sure where you got your facts but your analysis is very shallow and kind of “wish list”. If your analysis is from facebook or chauvinist mass media (ESAT, Zehabesha, Ethio360) then you could be right, however on the ground what you will find is a different story and analysis.
            The truth is Oromia isn’t under Abiy, Amhara region isn’t under Abiy, Amhara region is worst, it has been disintegrated into directionless political entity, South is in a mess. By the way Amhara region has satellite president, he governs from Addis Ababa. Just check from honest media and let me know.

            Honestly, what Abiy has is 4Killo and Addis Ababa, even that is being changing. Just wait few months, I will be the first to comment on your analysis.

            Derg: “ኣንድ ጥይት ና ኣንድ ሰዉ እስኪቀረን እንዋጋለን”, you know where he is today….
            IA : ከባድመ ወጣን ማለት ፀሃይ ከምዕራብ ወጥታ ብምስራቅ ትጠልቃልች ማለት ነው። You know what happened.
            Abiy: ደርግ ኣልተሸነፈም። Wasn’t Derg defeated? Why did he say Derg wasn’t defeated? Because ትምክህተኛ ተሸነፍኩ ማለት ኣይወድም።

            My point is, what you hear from those chauvinist media is just too much exaggerated, I am not saying you have to trust me, but try to have the correct data on the ground to analyze the current situation and also to predict the future. Don’t trust me (of course you don’t), but ask people in Oromia, Amhara region and South how people feel on the ground.

            Note that, as of today, Oromia, Amhara region and South are still under command post, thus do the math what will happen in few months. I am just giving you some insight.

            Thanks,

          • Maiani Mai

            Samuel,

            I don’t whether to laugh or feel sorry gullible members here:) They completely ate the propaganda and media offense. Tplf will hold elections and probably win most sits in Tigrai before September. I’ve never seen the level of support and enthusiasm towards in Tplf in Tigrai. I honestly don’t think the party had this much support even during the height of the arm conflict.

            Abiy and PP are on panic mode and not sure about the loopholes on the constitution and hence could ignite conflict with Sudan to help them extend their hold on power. The Covid-19 excuse may not be enough with only 500 cases and only 5 confirmed death. I think the conflict with Sudan may have already started.

          • Samuel

            Selam Maiani,
            Welcome to the forum. Just so you know Semere is big time PFDJ and IA (Isaias Afewerik) supporter, thus it is expected to see some biasness but to write the way he did is just a fantasy.
            From get go the goal has been to cry like a wild dog and then try to mislead few people to extend the ICU based life of IA and Abiy.
            Abiy is creating small agenda to shift his own failures from the public, I am not sure how long it will last (few months). He is telling them “look, Tigray is burning, Woyane is done”. It has been more than two years since IA declared “Game-Over” but they still talking about TPLF.

            Thanks,

          • Maiani Mai

            Selamat Samuel,

            Thanks. Paulos told everyone is binge drinking this week. I’ll return next month when most people are sober 🙂

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Samuel,

            Even if we assume these stories are true, one must ask:

            What economic benefits will they bring to ordinary Eritreans?

            Will there be individual freedom for Eritreans?

            Already wasted 30 years practising voyeurism. This is sickness in the head.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hashela; i see your attempt to compare TPLF with PFDJ. It is kind of wrong assumption. TPLF stole everything to support their immediate family and sending their children to educate their loved once aboard, while PFDJ, eating dust like everyone else in side the country. Yes, PFDJ is watching the event in Tigray with great joy. TPLF are out to their self and family. The people of Tigray got nothing out of this criminal gangs. I know some stupid Digital weyane may tell that the people of Tigray and TPLF thugs are one and the same but nothing is far from the truth. For god sake, PIA is 70 something years old and yet, he is biting dust in Adi-Halo. If he was a dictator and for the money, this is the time, to live lavishly and send his kids in to US and European universities just like the TPLF thugs are doing but he didn’t. The Eritrean people sees that and they understand. If PIA and PFDJ acted the way TPLF thugs acted, they won’t make to the next day. Eritrea paid heavy price and there no nonsense they will tolerate. I expected you to give a little credit for the people and government of Eritrea how they handle the Coronaviruses issue and the way destroying Weyane within. If you believe that PIA went to Addis in the middle of the Corona crises for nothing, think again. So, NO, no Eritrean going to come out in the streets and blocking roads. Eritreans know what in the stake is. I wanted nothing but the destruction of Weyane, so i can retire from awate.com.
            Awot N’ Hafash.

          • Hashela

            Hi Nitricc

            The common things that we, you and me, share is our love for Eritrea and the Eritrean people.
            That said, I maintain that every positive development that happened and is happening in Eritrea is despite the disruptive nature of PIA/PFDJ’s high level cadres and not because of their positive role.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Semere Tesfai
            Agree with u but u will see and mark words, trying to creat a unified ethiopia that tplf and its sympathizers part of it will cost other ethiopians another 100s of thousands life, will extend ethiopia’s misery for more decades.
            First thing first, let the people of tigrai solve their sick jealousy ideology first by themselves according to the constitution.
            tplf and tplf sympathizer will not going to stop thier sick adventure ever.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            I actually think these remarks of yours are really deep and insightful—when you said, “…..by implementing the current system and constitution democratically and accordingly…” And you went on to say that, “…..the current system and constitution accordingly…” Again, thank you for the insightful remarks.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            U welcome, yea implementing the constitution accordingly and democratically, administrating ur affair using ur own means and local taxes. Yea answering all peoples question according to the constitution democratically.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Teodros,

            The Federal system, if implemented correctly, is appropriate for Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a house of many Nations and Nationalities. Recall, the question of Nations was one of the major issues during past regimes. For this, the TPLF deserves at least some credit.

            Those who diss the Federal system are the usual suspects: the Amhara elite and the EPLF/PFDJ leadership. Each one has their own reasons, which are taboo issues to be discussed openly.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            amaras don’t like the federal system is ur narration, tplf narration. It is not entirely true, those who don’t support the federal system r amaras outside of amara kilil, they don’t like it for so many reasons, mainly because of tplf narration of the constitution .
            If u ask amaras in amara region , they will tell u ” fase kelele”.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Teodros,

            I wrote “the Amhara elite”

            but

            you write “amaras”.

        • Abi

          ወንድም አማች
          Now that the majority of Tigray people are openly declaring that they are actually victims of the Tplf terrorist organization, people all over Ethiopia are supporting their struggle to defeat the thugs.
          አብን ከቀናት በፊት ድጋፉን ገልፆ ከተጨቆነው የትግራይ ህዝብ ጋር እንደሚቆም አረጋግጧል::
          Fenkil is ቄሮ in Tigrinya. Fenkil is ፋኖ in Tigrinya.
          I’m pleasantly surprised to learn that Tigray is not Tplf as some of the highly educated and handsomely compensated activists want us to believe.
          That is my two cents. Hopefully The rest will be discussed by the constitutional scholars like Samuel and Saul.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            As it happened, about an hour ago, P.M. Dr. Abiy Ahmed went on air [EBC, Fana, and Walta] to address the nation about the fluid situation in Tigrai. That said however, he couldn’t reconcile his esteemed but divided advisors when they debated on what Abiy ought to put on when he addresses the nation and for a compromise, Abiy decided to don sweater pants instead. If you recall, some of them suggested for a military fatigue and the rest said, three piece suit.

            TPLF is officially out and it is a long time coming for the people of Tigrai to finally breath a sigh of relief that had started in Ethiopia about two years ago. Abiy has stated that, it is the duty of the Tigrean people to decide the fate of the disgraced Weyane leaders who are in custody as we speak. President Isaias including Professor Birhanu Nega has issued a brief statement which is essentially a congratulatory remark to the Tigrean people.

          • Abi

            ዻውሎሲ
            አካሲ!
            Tplf can’t hide behind the people of Tigray any longer. It is exposed to the core.
            Again, I was totally wrong when I believed that Tplf and Tigray were one and the same. You really fooled me big time.
            I hope things will settle down soon and the people breath freely.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I was wrong. I finally see the light. No the people have already breath a sigh of relief. TPLF no more! እንኳን ኣብሮ ደስ ኣለን!

          • Abi

            Paul
            ጨዋታ ጨምረሃል:: ደንግጠህ ወይም ፈርተህ መሆን አለበት:: አይዞህ የኔ ወድም!
            ወንድ ልጅ ታሞ እንጂ ፈርቶ አይሞትም::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            We say in Tigrina ውሕጅ አንዳስሓቀ እዩ ዝወስደካ or if I can attempt to translate ጎርፍ እያሳሳቀ ነው የሚወስድህ.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            ልክ ብለሃል ወንድም በርሄ
            I got one for you with a ሰምና ወርቅ ማጣፈጫ

            ውሃ ሲወስድ አሳስቆ
            ከእንጀራ አራርቆ

            Hope you got the message.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You know you desginated me super slow, but I think I got your semna werq.

            I don’t want to go there, as I got into trouble last time.

            What I would like to say instead is “የበለጠ እና የተለቐ እንጀራ ለሁሉ ይከፈትለታል”.

            I think Paul support of TPLF is more of a conviction than personal …I do sincerely believe it and please use Paul instead of Saul.

            I think Steve Jobs who said “The beauty of death is the creation of new life”. The TPLF should accept that, sooner of later death comes it’s way and it needs to make room for life. What’s important is not to try to avoid death, but to do something positive while it’s alive.

            There is a guy who suppose to be activist who live in the US, named Alula Solomon and he has said “የትግራይ ህዝብ የባህል ጨዋታ ጦርነት ነው”. It’s really sad, how little people like him have value for human life.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I think Paul support of TPLF is more of a conviction than personal …I do sincerely

            Hi Berhe’ I am just wondering if something can be “personal” with out some once “conviction” Don’t over do it. lol

          • Berhe Y

            as in personal gain..

          • Nitricc

            as in personal gain..

            Hey Berhe; how do you know? what you don’t know about the TPLF thugs is, they spend 300 millions Birr to the Oromo federalist; can you imagine what they spend to hire Tigryans who grow up in Eritrea sympathizes with their cease? I am a frim believer your friend is a well paid digital weyane, all the way. But it is your choice what you wanted to believe. That b is in all the way deep.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            You know I disagreed with you when you kept accusing Amanuel Hidrat serving the weyane because they paid “air ticket”. People have a lot of reason to support it oppose, but because they get paid this or they obtained that (material benefit) is not necessary the main and real reason.

            Accusing Amanuel of betraying his country, his village, his family, his credibility for just a plane ticket and stay a week in a hotel, for someone who has been fighting for over 50 years for justice, and an economically and financially and academically well established person doesn’t feel write to me.

            Paulos is one of the smartest guy (Eritrean) that I come to read, in almost every topic or subject.

            In America, there is absolutely no reason he can’t make enough money to support himself and his family. He doesn’t need tikabo from weyane to betray his country and his people.

            For example, I don’t know fir the life of me, why haven’t you visited Eritrea until now. I have known you for 15 years, and you are an established guy, with other knowledge and topics you discuss (health food, physical activities), which is a luxury for average black people in America. You have your reasons, but I don’t think it’s lack of paying a plane ticket or taking vacation time.

            I disagreed with him many times and I was wrong to accuse him fir what he does because of some material benefit. I just don’t know and I don’t have any facts or reason to believe otherwise.

            And our struggle for justice is justice for all, no matter what.

            So I urge you to focus on what he says and writes and leave the speculation that you have no evidence to prove outside.

            Kab Himaq zgebruKas Himaq zimuhruKa. It’s not that they do you bad, but it’s that they teach you to be bad [thats worse]. So I should not learn from those who are or wanting bad for Eritrea and learn from them and become like them, hell NO.

            Eritrea s made up of people like Saay, Ismail, Haile S., Abrehet, Hashela and millions of others like them and there is nothing we need to fear that we will be fine and have a bright future.

            And I urge you to counted on, this shall pass as well.

            Berhe

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Berhe Y. With all due respect, it is not simply a matter of individuals having received free (TPLF) paid R/T air tickets (+accommodation) to Ethiopia to attend opposition meetings, which by the way were also attended by U.S. blacklisted terrorist entities. Unforgivably, many of the same people also actively supported/collaborated with the TPLF on unprovoked military offenses on Eritrea (i.e. 2016) and some are still actively supporting Eritrean opposition elements (backed by the TPAll at the same time that the TPLF continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land. Unquestionably, this is clearly tantamount to treason.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mokie,

            Sure. And which court do you suggest to charge them?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            This guy is funny. Thanks for the laugh. Imagine, there is a cold case indictment still in place against Isaias when he conspired with Asrate Kassa against ELF when he got engaged in subversive activities to the extent of sneaking out to Kagnew Station as per testimony of the late Tesfamikael Giorgio. It smacks right at the heart of treason!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            “There is a cold case indictment still in place against Isaias when he conspired with Asrate Kassa against ELF when he got engaged in subversive activities to the extent of sneaking out to Kagnew Station as per testimony of the late Tesfamikael Giorgio. It smacks right at the heart of treason!”

            I knew Tesfamikael Georgio in person; all, during my Gedli years. When I was Tegadalay, I listened his tapes (English and Tigrigna) many times. I met Wedi-Georgio right after he joined ELF which was during the Weki-Zager ELF/EPLF civil war. I knew all about his highly publicized interview that he taped in Geremi (Hiruy Tedla’s village), about the famous Isaias-Asrate Kassa-Kagnew-CIA connection – when he was with Hiruy. I asked and discussed with Wedi-Georgio many times about the Isaias-Asrate Kassa-Kagnew-CIA connection when he was in ዓሌት – ELF’s political office in 1976-77.

            The Isaias-Asrate Kassa-Kagnew-CIA connection of the 1970 is not what you and many others believe, is all about. You and many others are exaggerating and hyping it beyond what it really was/is all about. I believe there is a copy of the tape somewhere on the social media (youtube, facebook…..); listen to it; ask critical questions; and then make your bullet proof case intelligently that “Isaias was right at the heart of treason”.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Ato Semere Tesfai,

            To be honest with you, at this point in time, it doesn’t matter. Really. I brought it up to substantiate Mokie Berhe’s hypocrisy. More over, Tesfamikael Giorgio is long gone where he is relegated either to a fading memory or if lucky to the footnotes of history if you will. In fact, one can make the argument that Isaias had a valid reason to stain the bond of trust if he in fact did what he is alleged to have committed. The rub is I am not condoning it. Just to be clear.

            I am going to be all over and if you could bear with me. As you know, one of the unfortunate reality of Europe’s geography is that, the continent is closely compacted so much so that the nations including the people find themselves in a protracted tensions to the extent of engaging in a thirty years long or a century long wars. One of the outstanding and prolific tensions was between the House of Bourbons and the House of Habsburgs when they both claimed rightful heirs to the defunct Holy Roman Empire. To be more precise, the tension was mainly between Spain and France. The single most important person, who has played a critical role in pivoting the balance was Cardinal Richelieu, who was the First Minister of France’s King Louise IV. As you can see, he was also a Cardinal of the Catholic Church. What was astounding is that, he made a strategic alliance with Protestant nations which were fierce enemies of Catholicism–in a bid to attack and weaken fiercely Catholic Spain. And in later years, he established a famous dictum which has become the nub of “Realism” when he said, “Man owns immortality for his salvation is here-after, the State doesn’t own immortality for its salvation is here or never.” He was one among many Realists who followed the prints of Machiavelli including Bismarck, Kissinger, Bolton perhaps including Isaias as well.

            As a side note, during the Crimean War—I believe it was in 1853 or so, Great Britain and France in alliance with Turkey attacked Russia. At that time, Emperor Tewodros naive and less sophisticated that he was remained disillusioned when two Christian nations in cahoots with a Muslim nation attacked a Christian nation–Russia. And it was no surprise that, Tewodros was not only reckless but failed to see the grey hue of the uncompromising nature of Power Politics and that could as well be the reason, Isaias is still riding the mantle of power. Machiavelli also said, “If a crime is committed for the preservation of a country, it is a glorious crime.” Perhaps, Isaias had that in mind.

          • Hashela

            Selam Semere

            Allow me to state the obvious and start with what Paulos said yesterday. In an exchange with Abi, yesterday Paulos said that the Derg era in Eritrea was a good time.

            The hate TPLF and its supporters have for PIA stems from their perspective, and rightly so, that they see PIA as a part of a sovereign Eritrea and Eritrean history. More importantly, they know that PIA knows them like only few Eritreans do. For them, PIA represents Eritrea the existence of which causes to them a deep psychological torment and revives their century’s old, deeply rooted, collective inferiority complex. The above statement of Paulos can be only understood in this context

            For Eritreans, PIA is one of hundred thousand heroes who unfortunately turned to a brutal dictator and is systematically destroying the fabric of our resilient society. Eritreans long for the removal of PIA and his high level PFDJ cadres without jeopardizing Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

            It is no without a reason that every Eritrean opposition that sought an alliance with TPLF was broadly rejected by the Eritrean people and failed miserably.

            Nonetheless, TPLF cadres and supporters are tirelessly roaming Eritrean websites for the hopelessly disappointed Eritreans.
            With the looted wealth rapidly waning, luckily (later or sooner) TPLF will be short of means to finance a swarm of digital warriors

          • Paulos

            😂😂😂

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            It is yours truly who said that Derg time was better. It was in relation to University of Asmara. In fact, I say Derg was much better than eplf/ PFDJ in every aspect imaginable!!
            Paul did not say that Derg was better. I said it.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella, for u every thing is all about stomach”hode”, nothing else, there r a lot of things in life , liberty, choosing ur own way of life, love, sense of belonging, wisdom and so on.
            Since u r topical Q and there is no way u know such things.
            ur statement above is same like south african apartheid regime statement, black south african were better economically under apartheid than the rest of black african countries.

          • Abi

            Tediye
            ይህን በአጥር እየሾለኩ መግባት ተወኝ አላልኩም?
            እኛ የምንነጋገረው ስለ AAU እና UoA መምህራን ነው:: አርዕስቱ ወደ ቄስ ትምህርት ቤት ሲቀየር ወንጌልህን ይዘህ ቀርበህ ስለ የኔታ ልምጭ ትነግረናለህ:: እስከዛው ድረስ ግን እንደተለመደው አቦጊዳህን እየዘረፍክ እደጅ ቆይ::

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Ye tella professor, u said ” derg was much better than eplf/ pfdj in every aspect imaginable” i was responding for these remarks.
            ur midget god father meles the hater once said ” when u( i think referring mainly bulega) say eri eritrea, eri, eritrea ,u will lose addis ababa”,

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You are getting fast slowly.
            Now that is a heart stopping response. A well placed ቡኛ!
            Let me see if mokie comes back with አፀፋ ምት.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Berhe Y. Again with due respect, for I believe that your comment was well intentioned, the hard reality is that these same treacherous individuals (not to be confused with TPLF digital here who are simply being paid to do a job) will simply never again set foot in Eritrea, post PIA/PFDJ or otherwise, for their identities are well known. Even in prisons, treacherous individuals are amongst the most despised, right up there with sexual offenders. Noble it is that you have a kind heart and wish to treat them with humanness, but they simply don’t deserve it; they have made their bed and now must sleep in it.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mokie,

            I suggest you start with those who are found guilty for commuting crimes against humanity.

            Zen you go after the petty “criminals” who their crimes is “free air ticket” and “gored gored and whisky” as you guys like to say in Addis.

            Berhe

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Berhe Y. We obviously have a far different understanding on the level of culpability and seriousness of actions of this perfidious lot, many of who continue to actively collaborate with the TPLF. Moreover, fomented division and mistrust that they have caused within Eritrean opposition camps is unfortunate. On other matters of scale related to desperately needed reform/ accountability and/or possible peaceful removal of the PIA/PFDJI regime, I believe that we share many of the same thoughts.

          • Aligaz G

            Mokie,

            The world is never so black and white. But then I am sure you are without sin…Or maybe you are just young and innocent and silly and should stay away from politics or maybe you are just another highly indoctrinated cadre. Whatever

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Aligaz G. I’m not a traitor and have never slept with the TPLF. But, you are ‘almost’ 100% correct on all of your other assertions; incredible the levels of ESP you possess.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Nitricc. You have to understand that for Tigray born and raised in Eritrea, and for those half casts from Tigray fathers, Eritreaness takes on a whole different meaning. This gives explanation as to why some here are die hard promoters of the TPLF but yet can talk so convicingly of their old experiences in Eritrea.

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Alula Solomon and Daniel Berhane are among the few who
            were spewing venom on Aiga and Deki Alilu sites during the Ethio-Eri war. For some of us, who opposed the war, the memory is still fresh on our minds. Now the same individuals are calling for Eritreans to unite with Tigrayans. Does it not smack
            hypocrisy? You can repackage a toxic asset, but the seller needs repacking as well. The Woyanes must run out of people who can do a PR job. Where is the queen? She could do a better job at flogging the “Brothers” ticket as she was born either in Eritrea or spent her childhood in Eritrea.

            I put my house on a bet that none of the war drummers— from all sides— who reside in the west will face any bullet or battle. As to the warmongering, Haile had reminded us that a warlord from the Tigray region was bored of living and sought enemies as he run out of them to entertain him.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            I do remember deki alula website, I am not sure who use to run them. I don’t know Alula or Daniel you mentioned. I thought the website deqi alula was run by the guy named Dagmawi who use to write in Dehai and the website was created in response to the arrest of Siye Abraha against the the Melles led TPLF.

            I can say this guy named “Yemane Niguse” is a force to reckon with. In one of his video, he said he studied history and I think he is very hard to argue against.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You just proved one more time that you are slowing down very fast.
            Of course, you haven’t paid any attention when he talk very highly of the Tplf killer ጌታቸው አሰፋ during the last couple of years.
            He was lamenting that Ethiopians miss Getachew Asefa. ( just like you missed Mengistu :))
            Saul’s love for Tplf is something out of this world. His contempt for Ethiopians is unmatched.
            He called us “ungrateful lots “ numerous times.
            Have you ever heard him say anything remotely negative about Tplf. Now he is belittling the Fenkil movement as something laughable.
            An Eritrean who has always been a diehard supporter of Tplf knowing full well the dangerous actions of Tplf on his own country is to be seen የጎሪጥ.

            Saul is definitely the replica of Alula Solomon assigned at Awatenation promoting Agazian kingdom and belittling others.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It’s OK, I don’t mind being labeled slow. I rather be “slow & steady instead of fast & furious”.

            Yes, I remember the comment he made about Getachew Assefa and it’s unfortunate, he over shadowed the inhuman way that people treated by his operations and he focused on the “security / peace” Addis Abeba and the rest of Ethiopia enjoyed when he was in charge.

            I think Paulo, does not seem to understand the fallacy of humans, specially when they are in power and in case of TPLF, when they had absolute power. He still thinks and still mesmerized and fascinated (including my friend iSem, just to get him out of his hiding) from the days of the revolution of the revolution and their innocent and ideal times at dedebit.

            The need to pave a way for peaceful path and bright future for the next generations.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            He said the “No nonsense Getachew Asefa is roaming the streets of mekele “ ….
            Can you imagine a person with the highest level of education worshipping a criminal thug ?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe

            I think ውሕጅሲ፡ እንዳሰሓቕካ ‘ወስደካ እዩ ዝበሃል ‘መስለኒ፡፡ ማለት ውሕጅ ክንሰግር ከለና፡ እንዳሰሓቕናን እንዳተዋዘናን ስለ ንሰግር።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Berhe Y

            ሰላም ሰመረ፡

            ጌጋ ይኽልአለይ እምበር፡ ከምዚ ንስኻ ዝገለጽካዮ፡ እቲ ምስላ ንውሕዳት አካል ወይ ሕብረተሰብ ጥራሕ እዩ ዝውክል፡፡

            ማለት፡ ነቶም ዝስሕቁን ዝዋዘዩን ዘለው፡ ወይ ዝነበሩ ጥራሕ እዩ፡፡ ንሓደ ሰብ ንበይኑ ዝጉዓዝ ዘሎስ፡ ዘስሕቆ ወይ ዘዋዝዮ ዘይብሉስ፡ አይምልከቶን ድዩ፡፡

            “ውሕጅ አንዳአስሓቐ እዩ ዝወስደካ”
            ከም ዝመስለኒ ድማ፡ መጀመርያ ክወስደካ ከሎ፡ ዋላ ዝጎድአካ ወይ ዝወስደካ አይመስለካን እዩ፡፡ እካ ድአ የስሕቀካ (እውይ)፡፡ ቀስ ብቀስ ግን፡ ሒዙካ ህልም እዩ ዝብል፡፡

            እቲ ቀንዲ ምስላ ትርጉም ድማ፡ ተጠንቀቅ፡ ጸወታ ከይምስለካ ጽባሕ ንግሆ ከይትጥዓስ ኮይኑ ይመስለኒ፡፡

            በርሀ

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ደቂ ዓድይ

            Agree with both of you. The core message of the saying is about taking a serious jeopardy not serious enough.

            It is amazing how rich our language is. If we had listened to our forefather and carefully study our language, we would not had to pay a heavy price and over and over RE-discover the twisted heart and forked tongue of Tigrayan elites.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም በርሀን ሰመረን፡

            ብወገነይ “ውሕጅሲ እንዳሰሓቐ” ይመስለኒ። ውሕጅ ሃገርና ብዙሕ ድምጺ እንዳገበረ (ካርካር እንዳበለ) ስለዝወርድ ካይከውን። ከም ሰመረ ዝበሎ እንተኾይኑ፡ ደሓር መጽሓፍ ምስላ ናይ ሊቀመዘምራን ሞገስ ተወኪሰ ክእርሞ እየ።

          • Berhe Y

            ሰላም ሃይላት፡

            እዚ መጽሓፍ ምስላ ናይ ሊቀ መዛምራን ሞግስ ነራትና፡፡ ሓሓሊፈ የንብራ ስለ ዝነበርኩ፡ ሓደ ሓደ ምስላ ይዝክር፡፡ ድሕሪ ብዙሕ ዓመት ዓዲ ምስ ከድኩ፡ ክረኽባ አይከእልኩን፡፡

            ከም ትፈልጦ፡ መቸም አብ ዓድና እቲ ዝበዝሔ እዋን፡ ሽሮ እያ ነራ እታ ድራር፡ አብ ገዛና (ግን አብ ኩሉ ስድራ) ዝነበር ኮይኑ ይስመዓኒ፡፡

            ሓንቲ ምስላ ብዛዕባ ሽሮ አብታ መጽሓፍ ነራ፡ ከምዚ ትብል፡፡

            “ሽሮ ንዓይኒ የዕውሮ፡ ንአእምሮ የደንቁሮ” ይመስለኒ፡ ምናልባት ንእግሪ መንገድኻ ተወከሳ፡፡

            አነን ምንአሰይ ሓወይን፡ ነደይ ሽሮ ክትቅርብ ኮላ ድራር፡ አደ፡ ሊቀ ሊቃውንቲ ሞጎስ ከም ዝጸሓፍዎ ብዙሕ ሽሮ እንዳበላዕና አእምሮና ይድንቁር አሎ፡፡ ትምህሪቲ ሓሚቅኩም፡ ብላጫ ዘይወሰድኩም ኢልኪ ድሕሪ ሕጂ ከይትወቅስና፡ ንብላ ነበርና፡፡

            ጵውሎስ ሽሮ አብዚሑ ከይህሉ፡) ካብ ርእስኻ አይወረድናን፡፡

            በርሀ

          • Hashela

            Berhe

            this is interesting.
            ዓተር, from which ሽሮ is made, belongs to a plant group called legume the seeds of which are known as poor man’s meat because they contain most proteins and amino acids that we need.

            I speculate that the bad name that ሽሮ has stems from a “guilty by association”, namely its association with poverty.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Do you remember ንህልኽኩም ሽሮ? It was a joke about this woman who does opposit to all her husband likes. For instance, if he fancies ስጋ ጸብሒ for lunch, she would feed him ሽሮ instead. And one day, as it happened, heavy rain hit the town and the flood carried her away when she tried to cross the street. And when the neighbourhood tried to rescue her and pull her out—running towards where the flood headed, the husband said to them, ኣቱም ሰባት እዛ ሰበይቲ ስርሓ ዘበለ ኹሉ ንህልኽኩም ሽሮ እዩ ስለዚ ክትረኽብዋ ተደሊኹም በቲ ኣንጻር ናይቲ ውሕጅ ኪዱ ኢልዎም ይባሃል. As we used to say it, ነዚኣ ዝረሰዐ ሞት ትረሳዓዮ!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Truly hilarious.

            You really have the gift of the gab.

            Wasn’t there anyone who advised him to appear in scary full Oromo gear?

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            Glad you find it funny. Was trying to veer of the issue to a more serious stuff as in “GDP” but the Forum opted for the gutter. And there you had it. Laughter they say is the third best medicine. I am sure you know what the first two are.

          • Abi

            Paul
            “For a clownfish, he isn’t really that funny “. ( Finding Nemo).
            ዻውሎሲ ታድያ ምናል ደህና ጨዋታ ብታመጣ አብረን እንድንስቅ?
            ምነው ጣል ጣል አደረግኸኝ ይህን ሰሞን?
            እንዴት ቀልድ የማያውቀው ስምኦን የገባው ቀልድ እኔን አለፈኝ?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Are you going to cheer from the sidelines or are you going to lead your own battalion to the war front?

            Do not forget to take a war journalist and a cameraman with you to record your spectacular victory. You have many to choose from [Nitrric could be your cameraman].

          • Abi

            Simon
            I’m disappointed that you haven’t paid enough attention to notice that I have been in the trenches fighting like there is no tomorrow.
            I’m a battalion by myself!
            I will stay at the Awate battlefield and take care of the “Three blind mice “.
            Stay tuned.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You “will stay at the Awate battlefield”?

            Meaning, cheering from the sidelines.

            By the way, I have no business in Ethiopia. I am only highlighting your hypocrisy and flawed reasoning.

        • Selam Semere Tesfai,
          Our people say “ካልደፈረሰ ኣይጠራም፣”. If push comes to shove and the people of Tigray are in danger of mass murder in the hands of tplf as it happened in addis, gambela and other places, i think that the federal government will be forced to intervene. If the people are in danger from their own leaders in a federal arrangement, i don’t think that the federal government has to wait until invited, which will never happen.
          Indeed, there is not a clean way to take out tplf as long as some tigrayans are going to stand with it. That is the worst part, unless tplf understands that it can’t survive long with part of the people against it and surrenders as it did in addis. Otherwise, i am afraid that Tigray could find herself again in a difficult situation. Tigrayans should oppose tplf united and not separated in order to avoid worse things from happening. Unfortunately, intervention by the federal government could harm the people, military or economic blockade. These are the reasons why the majority of tigrayans should be together and isolate the spent out tplf and its diehard supporters.
          I don’t think that other ethiopians will abandon tigrayans in their difficult hours. The role played by tigrayan anti-tplf opposition forces will help a lot to guide and mobilize both in tigray and other regions of ethiopia.
          Ethiopians have seen the queerro, fano and others, and now, Fenqil. I think they will understand. Fenqil is no different from the above groups. It is an anti-dictatorial force. I will not be surprised if the former ones come out to the streets throughout ethiopia in support of young tigrayans who are confronting injustice.
          One final thing. Tplf has shown in the past that it could be evil and doesn’t care if the whole region is on fire, tigray included. Moreover, survival may be its only target, and it may act as a cornered tiger, ready to fight tooth and nail. If tigrayans simply abandon this old, corrupt, and criminal group and refuse to stand with tplf, then there is a good chance tigray will be free without major bloodshed.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam h
            “Fenekel means the name of hayelom araye, they got it from the tplf general, u can brian wash some people for some time but u can’t change the truth on the ground.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I hope there will be some how peaceful traditions.

            I heard this ካልደፈረሰ ኣይጠራም and I worry about the long term consequences. In Ethiopia, all the so far,

            HS->Derg,
            Derg-> EPRDF
            EPRDF-> Dr.Abiy
            And now TPLF -> Fenkil seems always to uproot and replace. There was a no demand fir the government or leader to resign and replace by democratic elected body.

            There is this guy, I think the first guy who was talking against TPLF named Yemane Niguse on Facebook. He use to be a teacher I think.

            Today I read in his page, when demanding for change, the last paragraph reads,

            “Any one who does not support fenkil or speaks bad about funkily, action will be taken”.

            That’s a very scary thought because it certainly will not end well.

            Only peaceful resistance demanding justice is the only and sure way to guarantee peaceful transition. Ethiopians by now should learn what happened after they removed HS and what followed.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            Unless tplf loves power more than the people of Tigray, it is time that it leaves power to young Tigrayans and free the people. It should understand that it has become a big liability for the well-being of the people of Tigray. These old people have no future and they have nothing to give. The problem with African dictators is that they don’t know when to retreat. They have committed so many crimes that they choose to die while still in power than risk imprisonment or something else. They don’t feel safe far from power. That is the tragedy.
            Peaceful resistance – peaceful transfer of power would have been the best possible solution. Unfortunately, Tigrayans have to do with dictatorship that came to power with force, stayed using force, and one could say that they will go away only with the use of force. Tplf leaders are old people who have old ideas. More or less, it is always the same in Africa. Dictators and authoritarian governments are forced out, and they never leave in peace. It all depends on tplf/woyane itself, whether it will be an exception or not. There are people who stick with the system until the end, because they have benefited from it, or they are useful idiots. These are the stumbling block on the way to change. Let’s hope the best for the people of Tigray. It seems that they have crossed the Rubicon. Democracy and freedom are on the horizon.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam Abi. For more than 20 years, property values have been spiralling in Addis Ababa and are now crazy high. For years people awaited the Addis real estate bubble, fuelled by more than 80% TPLF control/ownership, to burst. Some of my friends in Addis Ababa are telling me that whereas house rental prices in Addis Ababa, have just recently begun to drop, that house sale prices have not. But they believe that the housing bubble may be ready to burst as the TPLF are in economic retreat and election concerns remain omnipresent. Would be grateful to have your views. Thanks.

    • Abi

      Hello Mokie
      You know if you buy or build an empire with a corrupted money, sooner or later it will crush big time.
      I expect to see a “ fire sale “ of properties in the near future. The out of reach ( sky rocketed) housing market should come to earth just like Tplf did. It is a must for the housing market to correct itself once people start building wealth through hard work other than by looting the country.
      I don’t expect corruption to disappear. That is impossible. However, we should never see overnight millionaires in the poorest country. How many people can win lottery everyday?

      I heard an interview where the person said Tplf already snatching land from the poor farmers in Tigray. You can call it old habit..

      • Mokie Berhe

        Thanks Abi for the reply. It will be interesting to see how the “fire sale” goes. I hope they do not allow the TPLF theives an easy way to further loot monies from the Government in the process.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam.mokie b
          R u sure u r not tplf sympathizer urself, u r talking “bado gura” like them.

        • Abi

          Mokie
          They have lost the treasury keys already. It is not time to loot more. It is time to fire sale at whatever price they manage to get. The properties should be confiscated by the government and auctioned.
          ባዶ እግራቸውን እንደመጡ ባዶ እጃቸውን ይመለሳሉ::
          “የመሸበት ነጋዴ” ይሉሃል እንዲህ ነው:: ያለውን በተገኘው ዋጋ አራግፎ ሳይመሽ ሩጫ ወደቤት ( ወደ ደደቢት)…

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            “ባዶ እግራቸውን እንደመጡ”?

            What were you doing at that time? I know common criminal Mengistu was packing his bags with stolen foreign currency at that time before he scrammed to Zimbabwe.

            I remember, he came to power with a bottle of Areke in his hand.

          • Abi

            Simon
            The bottle was full.
            You can always help them pack.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You did not answer my question. But never mind.

            In Ethiopia, a culture of nepotism, regional ganging up, other types of corruption [gubo], adultery and prostitution, even by married women, has been endemic even during past regimes. What is new?

            Could it be the ethnicity of the TPLF that is bothering you?

          • Abi

            Simon
            I care less about ethnicity, language, religion, the color of your eyes, etc, etc,….
            As I said several times, if Tigray people refused to live as equal partners with others, they are welcome to leave and form their own kingdom.
            If Tigray people consider it ውርደት if they are not at the top of the helm , they can always restore their dignity by forming their own kingdom.
            ከሌሎች ህዝቦች ጋር ተባብሮና አቻ አጋር ሆኖ መኖር ካልቻሉ መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላቸው::
            እነሱን ለመለማመጥ ወይም ለማሞላቀቅ ጊዜም, ትዕግስትም, ፍላጎትም ሊኖር አይገባም::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Now, you are changing tack.

            In a country where, for centuries, the alliance of the Amhara-Galla [Oromo] Mafia have been robbing blind and established all types of corruption as the norm, it lacks sincerety when the very same people cry foul at TPLF’s mis-steps as if it is a new phenomena.

          • Abi

            Simon
            I’m done with this nonsense.
            በሌላ አርእስት እስክንገናኝ ደህና ሰንብት::

          • Samuel

            Hi Abi,
            When you are exposed you chose to run away. That’s what Mengistu Hailemariam did when he run to Zimbabwe. “ኣንድ ጥይት ና ኣንድ ሰዉ እስኪቀረን እንዋጋለን”, where is he today? Keep misleading yourself.

            In the last two years PMAA has received more than 15 billion dollars from different donors, where is the money? Where are the new projects? Keep your silence on PMAA and continue your barking on TPLF.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            I will stop barking at Tplf. I have already passed the torch to the people of Tigray.
            You are the one running with your tails tucked between your legs.
            Tigray is celebrating ግንቦት ሃያ with protests all over Tigray.
            Oops!
            ወይአነ!
            አኒ በዴ! አኒ በዴ!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            A Freudian slip: ‘pass the torch’.

            You are asking the TPLF to pass the torch of the gravy train.

          • Samuel

            Selam Simon,
            Those chauvinist groups hateful propaganda is still continuing with sugarcoated name calling “corruption” and “Tigray supremacy”. They don’t really care about democracy, development or corruption per se, as you may know them well they prefer IA than MZ. They have this corrupt mindset that a dictator is better than a federalist.

            What is interesting is, a corruption done by Amhara elites and Oromo elites is considered as heroic act, case in point (Gedu Andargachew, Demeke Mokennen, Abadula, Workneh Gebeyehu, etc), they will tell you that they are part of the “change” agents የለውጥ ሃይል. Those individuals/groups don’t have principle at all, they never had in their history either.

            Generally their propaganda comes down to hate of nation and nationalities. Even though they will tell you that they don’t care about ethnicity, bla bla, “Ethiopiawinet”, etc but their history is a testament of who they are.

            Think this way, those individuals or groups admire Menelik, HS and Derg dearly, but they keep telling us that they love nation and nationalities. For a rational person it’s mindboggling, we know what those regimes did to nation and nationalities. Thus, how could they argue that they don’t care about ethnicity when in fact those regimes exceptionally oppressed nation and nationalities? The truth is the so called “Ethiopiawinet” is a cover for their evil agenda.
            The “Ethiopiawinet” cover-up has been buried since 1991 and it will for ever.
            Ethiopia is the land of nation and nationalities.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            መዘባረቁን አቁመህ ቅራቅንቦህን በጊዜ ሸክፍ:: እንደ ድፎ ዳቦ ከላይና ከታች እሳት ሳይለቀቅብህ በቶሎ ተፈትለክ::

          • Samuel

            Hi Abi,
            You said…“በቶሎ ተፈትለክ”.
            የት ሁነክ ነው? ዙምባቤ? 😊 By the way “Happy Ginbot 20!!”. Oh, sorry, I forgot that was your father’s bad day. Sorry about that.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            ዘንድሮም ግንቦት ሃያ ይከበራል እንዴ?
            ዘነጋሁት እባክህ::
            ደደቢት ዋሻ ይመችህ የኔ ወንድም:: እንግዲህ በሶ በውስኪ እያበሰበስክ ብላ:: ለጠኔህም ለሱስህም ይበጅሃል::
            ቁንጫውንም ብርዱንም ለመቋቋም ይጠቅምሃል::
            Greetings from Zimbabwe 🙈

          • Samuel

            Hi Abi,
            ትምክህት፤ ሽለላ፤ ማቅራራት ድሮ ቀረ። Afar, Somalia, Oromia, Sidama, Wolayta, etc are aware of the benefits they have got in the last 29 years. There is no U turn anymore. I didn’t understand your point.
            • Ethnic federalism is still the federal arrangement of Ethiopia, that is TPLF’s interest. What has changed?
            • Your PM Abiy is still using the constitution TPLF implemented, he can’t change it without TPLF blessing. What has changed?
            • The constitution that Ethiopia is still using is implemented because of the Dedebit heroes. What has changed?

            What is your point? Try to talk substance, ትምክህት፤ ሽለላ፤ ማቅራራት ይቅርብህ።

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Sami Nefse
            ምነው ግራ ገባህ ታጋይ ሳሚ?
            ፉከራና ማስፈራራቱን ለጊዜው አቁምና ከደደቢት ዋሻ የፈለቀውን ህገመንግሥት ተጠቅመህ ሹልክ በል::

            ቅራቅንቦህን ቀርቅበህ ጀንበር ሳይጠልቅብህ
            አንገትህን ደፍተህ ጭራህን ቆልፈህ
            ድምፅ ሳታበዛ ውጣ ሳይመሽብህ

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            2things
            1, no body i know r against nation and nationalities, what people saying is let nation and nationalities speak for themselves, stop speaking on behalf of nation and nationalities, let nations and nationalist speak for themselves, tplf or a guy from adawa or mekele or adigrate or gonder or bahir dar can not speak on behalf of the people of oromia or south or addis etc…
            speaking on behalf of other people is against self-rule, is against democracy and nation and nationalities.
            2, call it dictatorships or chauvinism,, what ever u call it but no body i know wants to rule tigrai and impose any ideology on tigrai., “fenekel or tplf is ur own bullshits, all the other ethiopians want is u tplfest to stop speaking on behalf of other ethiopians and stop imposing ur twisted ideology on other people of ethiopia.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Samuel,

            The Federal system had unintended consequences. It allowed the Mafia to organize their canon fodder effectively.

            Like most people Menelik had positive and negative sides.

          • Samuel

            Selam Simon,
            I agree, the chauvinists found a crack to create chaos, the blame is largely on TPLF.
            1. They should have implemented the constitution fully early on, meaning creating strong states who can defend themselves without the federal government intervention. At least having 2 or 3 strong states like Tigray.
            2. They should have reformed EPRDF years ago with true federalist forces, instead they waited until the chauvinists manipulate the system.

            With regard to the Ethiopia federal arrangement, even though it has its own challenges but its benefit outweighs its challenges. If you take a survey in Ethiopia today, I would say 70% to 75% of Ethiopians prefer ethnic federalism than any other arrangement (previous regimes for example).

            For example, in December 2019 Sidama has voted to have their own state, 98.5% voted for the creation of the Sidama state. It shows you that even after 28 years there is a high demand for it. Nation nationalities are craving for self-rule. Wolyta and Hadya have already submitted the statehood request to the Electoral Board (National Electoral Board of Ethiopia- NEBE).

            Minor disputes has been exaggerated and attributed as the weakness of ethnic federalism. The ethnic clashes that we have been seeing were mostly sponsored by the chauvinists themselves, knowingly they were creating those clashes to drive their interest. Fano was created by Demeke and Gedu, Queerro was created by Abiy and his allies.

            Regarding the “Like most people Menelik had positive and negative sides” ….
            I agree, any regime has its own positive and negative sides, Menelik had positive side as well, personally I appreciate those positive sides.
            What I don’t understand is the chauvinists adore dearly Menelik, HS and Derg, but they have this unbounded hate to MZ and TPLF.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Sami Hawey
            MZ will be forgotten soon in Tigray just like in the rest of Ethiopia. It is his narrow ethnically based arrangement the cause of today’s problems in Ethiopia with Tigray Elites and Tplf big shots being the first casualties.
            You lost all the positions in the federal government, military, security, foreign relations, የመንግሥት ካዝና…የመንግሥት ኮንትራት….All your corporations will be out of commission in the near future. They will be like አር የነካው እንጨት…
            Living expenses are skyrocketing in your “ strong Tigray “ while the people are protesting throughout including ገጀረት . Road blockades everywhere in your “strong Tigray “.
            Stop preaching and start packing if you haven’t done so.

          • Samuel

            Hi Abi,
            Keep barking like a wild dog. Remember, Zimbabwe isn’t part of Ethiopia. Please stop your flimsy argument.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            I know Zimbabwe is not part of Ethiopia. Soon, very soon, your strong Tigray will cease to be part of Ethiopia. መንገዱን ጨርቅ እንዲያደርግላችሁ በፀሎት እበረታለሁ::
            ከበረታችሁ በሚቀጥለው ዓመት አንደኛ አመት የነፃነት በአላችሁን በታላቋ መቀሌ ታከብራላችሁ::
            Go ahead and stand on your own flimsy and wobbly legs.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            2 things
            1, u r right about mengistu but he stole the money from his own land, not from tigrai adeye. a tigraian stealing outside of thier land is not the same like oromo or amhara stealing from thier own land, if tplf steal whatever amount of money from tigrai, it is tigrai busines, not other ethiopian business.
            2, when tplf first came to addis , not just they were barefoot but their looking caused trauma on many ethiopians, a lot of people still suffering from that trauma caused by tplf’s soldiers looks, dress, face.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Tedros,

            So, you are not against stealing provided that ‘foreign’ TPLF do not steal from Ethiopia. Strange logic.

            I suggest you go to GERD and do a spectacular dive.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            No. I’m against stealing, what i said was tplf, tigrai liberation front stealing from outside tigrai, stealing from the people that tplf consider as other people is different from a corrupted oromo or amhara stealing from thier own people.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            ቆልዑ ዘፍርሕ ነገር እንተርእዮም ባህሪሮም ይባሃል ነገርግን ንዓበይቲ ሰባት ባህሪሮም ክባሃሉ ኣነ ብወገነይ ሰሚዐ ኣይፈልጥን።

            But of course, there is first time for everything and now we know that adults can in fact suffer trauma caused by the looks of other people. This is extraordinary revelation and thanks for sharing it with us. And I hope the adults find some sort of coping mechanism to deal with the trauma.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            I was not even in ethiopia at the time ,i just told u what many people told me and what so many people talking about.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            Its funny. By the way during the Derg era, there was similar propaganda disseminated in Addis Ababa and other regional cities saying TPLF fighters (ወንበዴ) are not human beings like them but human like creatures (ጅራት ያለው – ሰው መሳይ ፍጡር). This was a believed story that many Addis Ababa residents were worried when TPLF enter Addis Ababa. This tells you how their false propaganda can easily penetrate the people who support them. Chauvinist propaganda is limitless, but the “trauma” thing is funny though 😊.

            Thanks,

          • Desbele

            Hi Paulos,
            I was in Addis at the time Woyane ‘liberated’ Addis. They were mostly unwelcome. But what is striking was their discipline and political consciousness. A rank and file soldier you meet on the street has a clear understanding of the Eritrean question and articulate it so. Self determination!. They debate just at every corner with whomever. And most addisababans ask them about Eritrea. They never flinch. People’s determination to self-rule and self determination! As an Eritrean , i wont take this for granted. Congratulations Woyane. May 20 is indeed a day Woyane kicked the ass of the chauvinists and break their one Ethiopia mantra forever.

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            True but not sure if you’ve been following the news where the entire Tigrai is in a total lockdown for the unstoppable Fenkil youth as ሓርበኛ ተጋዳላይ ሰመረ ተስፋይ rightly put it, have crossed the Rubicon. And the entire former and current Weyane leadership are under arrest. P.M. Dr. Abiy Ahmed has already put in place a P.P. member as a transitional government in Tigrai. Dr. Professor Aregawi Berhe is widely favoured by the people of Tigrai to take charge in leading the region into a democratic, peaceful and prosperous province of a one and united Ethiopia.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            Good news coming from Sudan, al Jazeera said ethiopian army attacked sudan army in a border area near “atbara” river and killed the the commander and 6 other sudan soldiers, and civilians displaced and the sudan gov openly accused ethiopia army for the first time since 20 years for starting attacks on Sudanese position.
            i hope this will make u calm down , will make u stop ur……

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Did you say Al Jazzera? I didn’t know you understand Arabic.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam p
            A little , u just know me here, i don’t know gibberish. so what u going to say ” egezebehar tigraiyen yetebekatal”? the Sudanese r saying ” shefta ” in collaboration with the ethiopian army do the attack, i don’t which “shefta” they r talking about, is it tplf “shefta” or gonder “shefta” ? any info from inside?

          • Abi

            Paul
            What are you smoking?
            ሰው ብቻውን ሲስቅ የመልካም ነገር ምልክት አይደለም:: የተስፋ መቁረጥ ስሜት ይነበብብሃል::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I am not smoking anything but you are right when you said, I feel kind of hopeless but P.M. Dr. Abiy has restored my hope in second chance. እንደገና እንኳን ደስ ኣለን!

          • Abi

            ዻውሎሲ
            What are you drinking? እስቲ መጠጥ ቀይር ይሻልህ እንደሆን:: ይሄ ብቅል እኮ ብዙ አይስማማህም::
            አንተ አብይን ማመስገን ከጀመርክ አርማጌዶን ሊመጣ ነው ማለት ነው:: ፍርሃት ፍርሃት አለኝ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Had lots of fun today. Thank you really. Will talk to you tomorrow ma bro. Good night.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            I believe Paulos is on a watching a lot of Charlie Chaplin, the three stooges and Franco e Cicco and watering it down by reading the Onion.

            NB: Paulos, you already had enough fun, I suggest you cut it out–keyseneneka 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Only Paulos thinks this movement is a joke. We all remember how the ቄሮ እና ፋኖ movements started. This movement is more organized and has the support of every Ethiopian who is sick and tired of the Tplf thugs.
            Paul refused to see the reality unfolding around him.
            እንደ ጋሪ ፈረስ በወያኔ ፍቅር ዓይኑን ጋርዶ ዙርያውን ለማየት ተቸግሯል::

            ፈንቅልን ዓይንን ጨፍኖ መካድ አንድ ነገር ነው:: እየተካሄደ ባለው እንቅስቃሴ መሳቅ , ማላገጥ, ማንቋሸሽ, ማናናቅና መቀለድ ግን የስካር ከከፋም የእብደት ምልክቶች ናቸው::
            ሳኦል ክርስቶስንና ተከታዮቹን እየተከታተለ ያጠቃ እንደነበር መዘንጋት የለበትም:)

          • Paulos

            Selam Aya Saleh,

            I remember Franco-Cicco. Funny stuff. How about Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill?

            The Forum is getting funny these days and I thought I might as well join tagging on ሓወቦይ ምራጭ with me.

          • Maiani Mai

            Paulos,

            You’re misinformed bro. They’ve got you with the media campaign. TPLF did not enjoy this level of support it’s inception. Then you have Baitona, Sawet and TIP parties who have some traction among the population. The rest are just clown shows (militia sernay) who are actually contributing towards Tplf popularity. I feel like they purposely work for Tplf 🙂

          • Paulos

            Maiani Mai,

            Don’t take us too serious. We are having fun here.

          • Maiani Mai

            Paul,

            lol- I’m sorry. I though you guys were serious for a second. Carry on…

          • Paulos

            Maiani,

            You’re probably new to the Forum. We have a long held tradition where once a month everyone gets delusional and this week happens to be one. If you come back next week, you will see that everyone gets serious.

          • Maiani Mai

            Selamat Paulos,

            Yes. I’m new here. I’ll return when you guys are sober. Don’t want to kill the party.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I think the joke and all is ok, but I don’t the situation is a joking matter considering, how much you believed the people of Tigray full support of TPLF.

            That may still be the case, but I think this movement is real.

            Avoiding the fact does not make the demands go away. This whole qero thing started with government pushing the boundaries of the city and two years later, they made them pack and live.

            I think this situation may be repeated if they don’t act genuinely to the people’s demands.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            That is precisely the reason I see it as a joke and had fun with it. I don’t see any sobering and serious talk about the reality on the ground. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, they say. The Front never enjoyed this kind of solid support since its inception. They created a culture of political discourse as opposed to resorting to violence and to see a replica of Qero or Fano in Tigrai is way off the mark to put it mildly. The reality is Abiy is desperate.

  • Abi

    Hello Awatenation
    ደደቦቹ የወያኔ አፄዎችና ተላላኪዎቻቸው ግንቦት ሃያን ለማክበር ደደቢት ዋሻ ውስጥ ተሰባስበዋል::
    ዘንድሮ ውስኪ ሳይሆን እንባ ነው የሚራጩት::
    ትልቁ ተራራ በትንንሽ ልጆች ሊፈነቀል ነው::
    ለካ ውስጡ ባዶ ኖሯል?

    ፈንቅል ፈንቅልና አሳጣው መድረሻ
    መልሰህ ወርውረው ከመጣበት ዋሻ
    አጥብቀህ ከርችመው ከደደቢት ዋሻ
    ይሄንን ዘረኛ የአጋዚ ውሻ

    • Selam Abi,
      It was nothing else but a myth that “tplf is tigray and tigray is tplf”. The truth is that “tigray is ethiopia and ethiopia is tigray”. The mafia group from adwa will be known in ethiopian history as the group who came to destroy ethiopia. It is going to get what it deserves, to be thrown to the dustbin of history. It can’t run and hide in ethiopia or eritrea. The only thing left for them is to surrender to the people of tigray and ethiopia, and face the consequences of their crimes. It was the people of tigray who made them, and it will be the same people who will undo them and bring their final demise. The day of judgement has come upon tplf.

      • Abi

        Hello Horizon
        We have been told in this forum that Tplf and Tigray are one and the same.
        It doesn’t look like that.
        We have also been told it is the best time for Tplf to focus on Tigray only.
        It doesn’t seem like that at all. They are focusing more on escape routes.
        ምን ያልሰማነው አለ !
        ወይአነ!

        • Hashela

          Abi

          I could not find a proper Tigrina, German or English translation for “ቅራቅንቦ”.
          Is this something close to what we call ኮሮሾ። ኮሮሾ is sun-dried እንጀራ sometimes soaked in ሽሮ before it is sun-dried. It is done to conserve and preserve food for a challenging time, for instance during a hast retreat to the mountains. If one is chased by heat sensing MIGs or Antonov during nights, just soak the ኮሮሾ in cold water and you are good to go!!

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            ቅራቅንቦ is like any household stuff used in any given dwelling.

            This ኮሾሮ is a great idea that should be implemented by the weyanes thugs in their escape to dedebit caves. Just sock the ኮሾሮ with a black label whiskey while hiding in the caves waiting for their Sadam moments.
            It takes some time to re-introduce ሽሮ in their daily meals.
            The haven’t seen ሽሮ in years.

          • Hashela

            Hi Abi

            your Schadenfreude is immense!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela & Abi,

            ቅራቅንቦ can also be translated as fragments and remnants, ግዛዕምዛዕ in tigrigna.

          • Hashela

            Thank you, Haile!

            Sometimes, an entry question is needed to a give an unsolicited advise (or refreshing a decaying memories). After all, their are our neighbor.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I agree with you. That makes sense. Thank you.

          • Hashela

            Hi Haile

            I think ግዛዕምዛዕ is more common in southern Eritrea and Tigray.
            ቀንጢመንጢ is more common in Hamasien, if I am not mistaken

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            You are right, the variations tend to blend when you go from north to south.

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            ልክዕ!!

          • Abi

            ጉተን ታግ Hashela
            I don’t know if I have to say ደንክሸን or ask for translation.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            As you know, Angst, Zeitgeist, Leitmotiv, Wanderlust, and Schadenfreude are some of the German words that have no proper equivalent words and are used “as is” in English.

            Unschärferelation (coined by Heisenberg) is another German word that I wish it were directly used English. In my opinion, Uncertainty Principle (the English translation of Unschärferelation) does not have the desired precision.

          • Abi

            Herr Hashela
            I got it already. That is why I said አካሲ! ተባለ እንዴ! እንደማለት ነው::
            አፋን ኦሮሞ ኢምቤክቱ?

  • said

    Greetings, EID Mubarak
    As reported. The eastern Mediterranean Sea during what historians call the Bronze Age, from roughly 3000 to 1200 B.C.E Cities such as Tyre and Sidon, which still stand in Lebanon today, emerged from the Bronze Age unscathed and became centers of culture in the region .Tyre’s traders ventured much further than the representatives of Ugarit ever had, and settled in the territory that became Spain, Morocco and Tunisia. They used a form of writing that was phonetic, This script, dubbed Phoenician, was easy to learn, easy to adapt to local languages, and became the basis for the modern Roman Alphabet we use today.
    Is well known The library of Tripoli Lebanon is said to have had as many as three million books before it was destroyed by Crusaders. The number of important and original medieval Arabic works on the mathematical sciences far exceeds the combined total of medieval Latin and Greek works of comparable significance,
    See the link appeared first on New York Times by Annalee Newitz a science journalist. https://dnyuz.com/2020/05/11/the-elites-were-living-high-then-came-the-fall/

    As reported in NY times Little acknowledgment is given to Muslim contributions to Chinese civilization. After the decline of Chang’an and the Tang dynasty, when Baghdad, the seat of the Islamic civilization, became the new cultural center of the world, Muslim scholars and artisans brought China advances in Medicine, Mathematics, Astronomy and the Arts, from metalwork and glassware to the cobalt pigments that would become the signature of Chinese porcelain. Under the Mongols, the Hui were privileged over the Han and revered as masters of finance, responsible for a new prosperity. But this holds no sway in more recent historical memory . (The Islamic Golden Age is traditionally dated from the mid-7th century to the mid-13th century at which Muslim rulers established one of the great civilization in history) .See the link appeared first on New York Times By Ligaya Mishan Food Critic
    https://dnyuz.com/2020/05/11/eating-in-xian-where-wheat-and-lamb-speak-to-chinas-varied-palette/

    According to journalist Paul Vallely ,some of the engineers and inventors, such as Abbas Ibn Firnas, the Banū Mūsā, Taqi al-Din, and most notably al-Jazari.
    Some of the inventions has stated to have come from the Islamic Golden Age include the camera obscura, coffee, soap bar, tooth paste, shampoo, distilledalcohol, uric acid, nitric acid, alembic, valve, reciprocating suction piston pump, mechanized waterclocks, quilting, surgical catgut, vertical-axle windmill, inoculation, cryptanalysis,frequency analysis, three-course meal, stained glass and quartz glass, Persian carpet, and celestial globe
    The first universities practicing doctors of medicine from the 9th century. The Guinness Book of World Records recognizes the University of Al Karaouine in Fez, Morocco as the oldest degree-granting university in the world with its founding in 859 CE.

    The Islamic empire was the first “truly universal civilization,” which brought together for the first time “peoples as diverse as the Chinese, the Indians, the people of the Middle East and North Africa, black Africans, and white Europeans.” A major innovation of this period was paper – originally a secret tightly guarded by the Chinese. The art of papermaking was obtained from prisoners taken at the Battle of Talas (751), spreading to the Islamic cities of Samarkand and Baghdad. Religious freedom, though society was still controlled under Islamic values, helped create cross-cultural networks by attracting Muslim, Christian and Jewish intellectuals and thereby helped spawn the greatest period of philosophical creativity in the Middle Ages from the 8th to 13th centuries

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; i was wondering who this stupid person was, well, know i know. He said Eritreanism is a cancer that needs to be removed.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j6QVRzHiQ

  • Nitricc

    Ho boy; Tigray is burning. It is funny how the TPLF Founded the YiAkil BS to weaken and destroy the Eritrean unity. Now, there is irony to all those, the Tigryan youth named their movement to dispose TPLF, FENKIL. It sounds familiar. well, at least you named one of the greatest move called Fenkil. don’t soil the name, finish the job. Your leaders send their kids to America and Europe to educate their children while you are eating the dust. wake up.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; I wonder how the TPLF thugs and the Weyane Digital when they hear this. Man! Eritrea is on. He told them!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtgaQ1-2Ao0

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰብ ጽሩራታት ናይ ታሪኽ
    ክቃለሱ ብህልኽ
    ናይ ብርዒ ዓንተራት
    ናይ ክልተ ሽሕ ታሪኽ ሓረስኩሞ
    ከም ናይ ምያዝያ ግራት
    ሮሞዳን ብዓቢኡ
    ኣብ ድሮ በዓል ናጽነት

    እሞ
    ከምዚ ስለዝኾንና
    ንመዋእል ብህግደፍ ዝተገፍዕና

    ታሪኽ ዝፈልጥ
    ቀላጽሙ የሕብጥ
    ህዝቡ ግን ብ ህግደፍ ይቕጥቀጥ

    ገሊኡ ክድይብ ‘የ ይብል ናብ ጎቦ
    ገሊኡ ይነግረና ኣብ ገለ ዘንበቦ
    ህዝብና ግን ኣብ ዓጸቦ
    ከመይ ‘ሉ ‘ዩ ብኸምዚ
    መፍትሒ ጸገምና ዝርከቦ?

    ምሁር ኤረትራዊ
    ብናይ ዘመን ኢኒ-ኢኒ ክራቐቕ
    ከምዚ ምስረኣየ ህግደፍ ብኹርምቱ ስሕቕ
    ስለዚ ዩ ድማ ህዝብና ዘሕቅቕ
    ኣማኢት ዜጋታት ኣብ ሓንቲ ደቒቕ
    ሓደ ድሕሪ ሓደ ጽንቅቕ

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. Ludicrous and misaligned it is to say that Habesha and Arabs are much alike. Also, labelling hundreds of millions of people from dozens of countries as monolithic ‘Arabs’ is misleading and inaccurate. ‘Habesha’ simply has no application to modern day Eritrea. Even in Ethiopia, if the racist and archaic term Habesha were to be applied, it would mean that more that 70% of the countries’ population would be precluded. Moreover, spoken and written Arabic language clearly predates Islam. I see that most articles here are coyly embedded with religious passages which serve to divide Eritreans; not good at all. Most of those in engaging in such insipid discussions have been outside of Eritrea for several decades and are simply out of touch with today’s realities on ground. Envar Hoxha maybe had it right when he made Albania the world’s first modern era atheist country. Oh and yes, Bob Markley is really a bona fide Habesha just as much as Barrack Obama, Bill Clinton or Manute Bol.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam M.B.,

      “…written Arabic language clearly predates Islam.”

      May be in your parallel universe.

      • Saleh Johar

        Simon,
        An advice: if you are always looking for a “Gotcha” moment, don’t engage in debates.
        2. Avoid diverting in fork roads even if they look tempting. You cannot branch out endlessly, one limited topics at a time because you cannot cover centuries worth of history in one go. please be open and weigh arguments honestly and with positive attitude. However, if your mind is already made up and you will not acknowledge any other argument, there is no point in engaging in debates.

        deHan kun

      • Aligaz G

        Simon,

        Please give the sources you are using to date written Arabic.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Ali. G.,

          Here is a quick information from the Qatar Foundation which says “the Arabic language we use today was not developed until circa 700 CE [that is AD]”:

          https://www.qfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/QFI_Infographic_Alphabet_Final.pdf

          Some of the important documents of Islam were written centuries after the death of the Prophet Muhammad [632 CE].

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            Somehow I cannot open your link. But surely you have other even more scholarly sources? Since you speak with such authority

          • Simon Kaleab

            Ali. G.,

            The link works. I gave you the lead, it is up to you to follow it through further. I am not trying to publish a research thesis here.

            Do not create lame excuses. You can also enquire from an Al Azhar professor or from the nearest Qatari or Saudi cultural attaché.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Aligaz G and Simon Kaleab. A discovery in 2014 by a French-Saudi expedition team hailed “the oldest known inscription in the Arabic alphabet” at a site located near Najran in Saudi Arabia, changed everything in terms of understanding on written Arabic timelines. Google: Examining the origins of Arabic ahead of Arabic language day. There is no doubt that written Arabic, albeit in different forms/variations, existed well before Islam. Najran is far from Mecca and immense sensitivities in that connection are obvious and reason for the discovery be have been very much muted.

          • Aligaz G

            Mokie,

            Thanks. Now you deal with pig headed Simon

          • Simon Kaleab

            Ali. G.,

            “pig headed Simon”?

            Says who? The typical underachieving, persecution complex suffering, widely known in Ethiopia as the lazy pig. I am sure you know what I mean.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam M.B.,

            My assertion:

            The Arabic language alphabet, which is in use today, was not developed fully until circa 700 CE.

            Therefore, your argument is based on Straw Man logical fallacy.

          • Mokie Berhe

            My original email did not specify a form of alphabet which ‘fully’ developed or ‘in use today’; that is your insert. I maintain that written Arabic, which evolved over time, is clearly older than Islam. Some far reachers even maintain that the Kebra Nagast was either written or rewritten in a very early form of Arabic (nomadic language) centuries before Islam. Please Google: ‘Before Islam: When Saudi Arabia was a Jewish Kingdom’ to see an alternative take on the 2014 French-Saudi Expedition.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam M.B.,

            Fully developed in the sense of being able to capture the sounds, concepts and ideas of the Holy Books.

            As far as I know, there were some Jewish tribes around Yathrib [Medina], but no Jewish kingdom in the whole of what is now named Saudi Arabia.

            However, there was a Jewish kingdom in SOUTH Arabia [Yemen].

            You may ask Saleh G. to verify.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Simon,

            As long as it is clean debate or question i will yield, but I do not tolerate divisive, provocative and disrespectful gestures and try to avoid it. I hope you help me there.

            There were Jews in the Southern part of Arabia but they were not empires as we understand empires now, but a sort of district kings. Northern part was ruled by tribal chieftains.
            There is a verses in the kuraan that tell of Christians (known as asHab al akhdud, meaning People of the ditch) who were thrown into a ditch and burned alive in Najran (South Arabia) by the Jewish king Dhu Nuwas. Then the Axumites sent a forces and intervened, destroyed Dhu Nuwas and saving the Christians. that was pre-Islamic era by a few years. And yes there were Jews established in the surrounding of today’s Medina.

            The people of Yemen were interconnected with our region, all religions since ancient times. Even the Jews who were in Eritrea until the seventies were mostly Yemeni Jews like the Kanzens for instance–I knew one of their children Daoud.

            I think language and races do not develop in tandem. Races change languages or evolve and develop a totally different and new one. for instance, the Egyptians have evolved form ancient heliographic into present Arabic. maybe they will have a different language, race and religion in a 1000 years. the existence of races is not decided by the existence of script because there are many who do not have alphabets to this day. others adopt languages based of social, geographical, political or economic reasons.

            the Summarians were not Arabs, per se, but had their own script and languages, now they have different languages, religions and civilization.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Thank you Saleh G.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Saleh Johar. I found interesting passages pertaining to Eritrean and Ethiopia from the book the ‘Traditional Society in Transition: The Yemeni Jewish Experience’ by Bat-Zion Eraqi Klorman. I last met Sammy Cohen in Asmara some 12 years ago; not sure if he is still alive/around. I do know that Kanzan Yahia who at least before had businesses in Asmara, still runs a furniture shop and pharmaceutical import business in Addis Ababa; he and his family are doing well.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mokie,
            I met one of the sons of Kanzen in Addis Ababa in the nineties. he said he lived there. I knew Dawood because he was my age and we me frequently. they Kanzen had a villa and a store in Keren and Dawood was running it. I haven’t read the book you mentioned but I will try to get hold of it. and here is something I learned somewhere–Isaac Shamir the late pM of Israel was brought to Asmara where he stayed for a long time after he was implicated with the famous King David hotel explosion where many British officers died.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            I read about Shamir being arrested in Eritrea by the British. I googled it and here what Wikipedia says about that.

            “ In July 1946, Shamir was arrested. He had been walking in public in disguise and a British police sergeant, T.G. Martin, recognized him by his bushy eyebrows. Arrested, he was exiled to Africa, and interned in Eritrea by British Mandatory authorities. Lehi members subsequently tracked down and killed Martin in September 1946.[28][29] On January 14, 1947, Shamir and four Irgun members escaped the Sembel Prison (a British Detention Camp) through a tunnel they had dug, 200 feet in length, and Mayer Malka of Khartoum subsequently arranged for them to be hidden in an oil truck for three days as it was driven over the border to French Somaliland.”

            They dug 200 feet tunnel and escaped from Sembel?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Years ago I read a book by Walter Laqueur and in it, I specifically remember the book mentioning the escape of Isaac Shamir to Eritrea but it says he was hiding for months in Dekemhare not in Asmara.

          • A.Osman

            Dear Simon,

            The timeline on development of the Arabic text as you provided is shown as between 400 to 700 CE. Arabic writing was consonant based (Abugeda or Abjed) and only those who were knowledgeable of the language would read it with ease. As Islam spread to places outside the Arab region, reading Arabic text was a challenge to the non Arab Muslims. An infamous governor of Iraq known as Hajaj bin Yusuf is credited with adding the vowel to Arabic text by simple addition harakat..which are simple marks above and below to indicate the vowel that follows a consonant….that’s the where the emphasis on fully means.

            As an example, you would not claim that Geez was not used as script before its vowel extensions were developed…..but we probably would struggle to read old scripts with limited knowledge of the language.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            There seems to be several developments in Arabic according to mainstream linguists. The main developmental forms being Pre-Classical, Classical and Modern Standard. Now are you sticking to your position that Pre Classical Arabic is not written? Or perhaps you are claiming Pre Classical Arabic is not Arabic? And you base this on a rather flimsy semantic arguement you quoted above from the Quatar Foundation? Nice

          • Simon Kaleab

            Ali. G.,

            You are coming up with Straw Man mumbo jumbo and displaying typical lazy behaviour.

            The Arabic language alphabet, which is in use today, was not developed fully until circa 700 CE,

            Are you checking the link or not?

            “flimsy”, “Quatar”, says who?

            You can believe what you wish, I will not lose sleep over it.

  • Nitricc

    This is to Berhe; For long you are at lost why i stick with the governmnet of Eritrea, and i have been telling you but may be when this people telling you might understand.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdkYAgLLHjU

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nintricc,

      I know the damage the no limit military service causing to our young and to our country. I don’t have any white person to tell me, it’s not the case. Eritrean young for example between 1991 – 1997, the case of refugee was almost non existence.

      You can go look up the UNHCR files if you can find… a lot of Eritrean use to claim refugees as Ethiopians where their parents are former Derg officers and they can’t live in peace in Eritrea or Ethiopia.

      The Eritrean refugee crisis was the making of the PFDJ government and no body else, others may took advantage of the situation such as Ethiopians pretending to be Eritreans, Ethiopians working for the UN in places where the Eritrean refugees live etc.

      From the Eritrean government point of view, I think they wanted Eritrean to go abroad and become contributing to the economy once they settle and got their permanent residence (that’s what I suspect) either by sending money home or being away and can’t cause political issue for the government.

      It’s a very, very bad policy for short term gain.

      Berhe

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; it is amazing when you look back at the history of EPLF and what Eritreans went through to achieved what they set out to do. Amazing; Eritrea cannot go wrong considering what was experienced. I believe ! regardless what her enemies say. Eritreans, believe!! you can’t go wrong because the base is strong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLufmG3eWbc

  • Nitricc

    Happy B-day my beloved Eritrea. I know, Your enemies are infinity but regardless you made it. I just listened the swarmed enemy of Eritrea, the TPLF thugs giving very reveling press conference .If you have any courage listen to it. for me, the best gift it ever. If I was PIA, the end, you won my man. They publicly acknowledged their defeat. Today people may wear face mask to be protect from Coronavirus but my people were masking long time ago to survive and to bring a nation. What a nation, what a people, what a society.
    Happy B-day my beloved Eritrea. I was going to post an interesting clip but what is the point it will be deleted. so, I can Waite till the weekend. there is a difference between a government and a country. I love you Eritrea.

    • Abi

      Hello General
      Happy Independence Day!
      When did you fall in love with Eritrea?

      • Nitricc

        When did you fall in love with Eritrea?

        Hey Ras Abiy, i fall in love and bound to duty when your country man said

        The very existence of Eritrea is a question mark. By existence, I mean sovereignty, that which Eritrea claims to have. It is illusion of sovereignty. Its sovereignty is based on disfavor of Ethiopia: denying it access to sea; allying with its historic and contemporary enemies. This existence is not enduring. The day Ethiopia decides Eritrea shouldn’t exist, Eritrea won’t. There is no force that can stop Ethiopia. Not the United Nations, nobody

        • Abi

          Hello General
          Who said the above comment and when? I really like to know.
          Thanks.

    • Hashela

      Well said Nitricc

      While we have a long way to go to achieve democratic governance and economic prosperity, Eritrea, through the ultimate sacrifice of her daughters and sons, prevailed and is celebrating her 29 years of Independence. Happy Birthday, Eritrea!

      It is not long ago when Tigrayan elites felt so confident to openly herald/announce the eradication of Eritrean-ness from Earth’s surface.

      Eritrea survived TPLF’s onslaughts and Eritrea’s symbol of independence is proudly displayed at global stages and we proudly say “I am Eritrean”. In contrast, the Tigrayan elites, those who want to break our spinal cord, are since 2018 quarantined in Mekelle and the symbol of their organization is bizarrely used to wrap a dog! What a befitting symbol of an irreversible demise.

      In honor of our fallen heroines and heroes and to celebrate Eritrea’s independence day, tomorrow I will hike a 43 km long trail on a mountain ridge, reaching the summit elevation of 3,345 m I will unfold Eritrea’s symbol of independence.

      Happy Birthday, Eritrea!

      • Haile S.

        Good to see you back, Hashela,

        Happy independence day! 3345m? Be careful! It is impactful on the cardiopulmonary axis.

        • Hashela

          Selam Haile.

          Happy independence day to you too. High elevation is my preferred home!

        • Abi

          ጋሽዬ
          ሰውዬው ልበ ደንዳና ነው::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            Happy Independence to you as well. All the best. Can I also recommend Aster Aweke as well. This version I never heard it before until recently.

            https://youtu.be/2EEoHevjuHg

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Are you truly happy?

            The piece of music in your link feels sad.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Simon,

            Before I get back to your question “are you truly happy?”.

            1) I am not really the best person when it comes to music. Since he is walking 43km (which will probably takes him 8 hrs) I am guessing he is reflecting for the most part, not jumping up and down with joy.
            2) I thought it was a good song for that and that’s why I shared. As far as to the words, I honestly don’t hear most of them, as I pay little attention (not only this song but with most songs).

            Now back to your question “Are you truly happy?” I never said anything if I was happy or not happy. I don’t know the angle you are asking me. I can’t say I am always truly happen and I can’t say I am not truly happy either. It depends, as life is for most people.

            When I go for a walk in a nice day, I am happy. When I make fresh coffee and I smell it, it makes me happy. When I see my wife and children, watch a movie, share a meal, laugh, play, go on vacation, I am happy.

            Let me tell you things that doesn’t make me happy. It’s been 29 years since Eritrea independence, and I remember how truly happy I was when that happened. Two years later when Eritrean people voted for independence I remember driving around two with my friends, waving Eritrean flag as if we won the world cup for hours and hours celebrating. It was a closure for a very long journey.

            Now 29 years later, I didn’t think we would still be searching for that.

            I am not happy when as people, we can’t have a meal together. Ask yourself this basic, the most basic freedom that people most people have. I don’t know you but I don’t think yours will be different than most Eritrean people.

            How long has it been since you. along with all your siblings, your parents had a mean together in one seating? አብ ሓደ መአዲ

            How long have you spend away from parents? If you are a father, how long have your children spend time with their grand parents, laughing, playing and telling stories.

            Yes, when think life as an Eritrean, I don’t think there is a day that goes by that I am can say I am “truly happy”. Like most Eritrean, I miss my country, I miss my parents, I miss my neighborhood, I miss that I can’t enjoy my country like any other human should.

            Personally, I have done ok and I have a family and children that I am blessed and cherish and bring me lots of joy and happiness.

            May be it’s another sad song but let me share with you another song that I like, may be it’s a sad song but it reflects what I feel when I think of Eritrea ..

            https://youtu.be/ZTnl7Vx4zX4

            Now let me ask you a question? The other day I asked you if your avator is the map of Axum and you said yes. Why do you have the flag of Axum as an avator? The reason I ask is, you wave it as a sign of pride, history or you waved like those “Agazians” who long for that time.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Your last few paragraphs are exceptionally good.

            I am in a similar boat as you, may be even worse: 2nd time exile.

            The Axumite Empire is part of our proud history.

            The Agazian movement is dead on arrival. We need to build bridges with every section of our society, rather than create permanent strife and war. We must be honest and sincere with each other; with no hidden agenda. Some of the people who became Muslims are our blood relatives.

            Your chosen piece of music is good.

            My all time favourite Tigrinya piece is here:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXzQgcZrNFc

          • Paulos

            ሰላም በርሀ,

            ኣነን ንስኻን ተሳሓሒብና ከምዝነበርና ኣይሳሓትክዎን “ከምዝነበርና” ዘበልክሉ ምኽንያት ብኣይ ወገን ኩሉ ዝተሰማዓኒ ነገራት ስለዝገደፍክዎ እዩ ብኸምኡ እየ ኻኣ ነዛ መሳጢትን ብዙሕ ልቦና ዝመልኣ ጽሕፍትኻ ክምልሰልካ ተገዲደ፣ ናይ ኩላትና ናይ ዘለናዮ ሂወት ነጸብራቕ ብጥርናፈ ብዑምቀት ስለዝገለጽካዮ ኣድናቖተይ ይገልጽ፣ ብርግጽ ክትምልሰለይ ተዘይደሊኻ፣ ናትካ ናይ በይንኻ ስምዒትን ውሳኔን ስለዝኾነ፣ ብኣይ ወገን ኩሉ ሓላል እዩ።

            ቀጺለ እዛ ናይ ኣርመን ደርፊ ክጋብዘካ ይፈቱ፣ ታሪኽ ናይዛ ደርፊ ጊዜ ተረኺብካ ንበቦ ምኽንያቱ–It is a song of lament where the original folk song was modernized and is used for Armenia’s national lament. Happy Independence Day!

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0r0CZamqK4

            ሓውኻ!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo,

            Sorry in delay getting back to you, it’s officially summer today, weather wise.

            I know you were hurt by what I said, and I didn’t have the guts to apologize. You are a lot bigger person that I am.

            Thank you and hope for better days ahead. And no hard feelings on my side as well.
            And thank you for sharing the video I will check it out.

            Happy Independence day.
            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I apologize to you and to Hailat as well. I sure don’t know you in person but I know that you are a good person. Again, no hard feelings. Stay well my Asmarino brother.

          • Abi

            Paul
            የወያኔ ፍቅር ከሁሉ ያጋጭሃል
            ጌታቸው አሰፋ አምላክ ሆኖልሃል
            የኢትዮጵያዊ ለቅሶ መሳቂያ ሆኖሃል
            በጊዜ ተፈትለክ ፈንቅል ደርሶብሃል
            ያፈቀርከው ባንዳ ምጡ ፀንቶበታል
            በፈንቅል ሊፈነቀል ሰዓቱ ተቃርቧል

          • Selam Abi,
            Has the day of reckoning come finally for tplf? Fenqil seems to be a very serious thing tplf ever met in tigray, its base, because it comes from its own people who are finally responding to its injustice. The very foundation of tplf is shaking.
            Remember when it’s supporters said that tplf is tigray and tigray is tplf. On the contrary, tplf oldies are about to be thrown to the dustbin of history, this time by the people of tigray.
            God help the people of tigray. Tplf should surrender to the people as it did at the center. If it tries to use force, it will still be its end, no matter what, because tigrayans are not going to fight other tigrayans for the sake of the mafia group, tplf.
            The role the federal government would play in the situation tplf starts to murder it’s own people, as it did in broad daylight in Addis, gambela and elsewhere, we will see. The Ethiopian government and people are obliged to stand by the side of the people of tigray, if tplf resorts to violence against its own people. It should save the people from tplf agazian murders. Tplf may try to complicate the situation by calling it invasion. Nevertheless, the people of tigray contrary to tplf supporters have come to understand that tplf is a dead horse, and the future of tigray is with ethiopia, with young people at the helm of power. The concept of independent greater tigray and agaziland, is tplf’s ploy to hoodwink the people of tigray to stay in power. It is a way to hell, and nothing else.
            This seems to be the beginning of the end for tplf. It is better if tplf supporters advise the old ***** to surrender power to the young and move to care homes and bring back the money they stole from the people. They shouldn’t worry, whisky and vodka will be freely provided, even if they kill young people whose crime was drinking a poor man’s drink, Tella.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            ጥያቄህን ሁለቱ ቀንደኛ የወይአነ ቋሚ ተጠሪዎች አስተያየታቸውን እንዲሰጡበት አስተላልፌያለሁ::
            ሳሙኤልና ዻውሎስ እባካችሁ ወደ መድረክ ብቅ በሉ:: ተመልካቾች እስቲ ቸብ ቸብ አርጉላቸው!

            This is what I heard on one interview that caught my attention . The Fenkil movement is serious.
            የወያኔ ባለስልጣናት ካዲሳባና ባህር ዳር ተባረው ወደ መቀሌ ከዚያም ወደ አድዋ በመጨረሻም ወደ እስር ቤት ይወርዳሉ::

            አስመራን መግዛት ሲመኙ መቀሌን ሊያጡ ነው::
            የጌታቸው አሰፋ አምላኪዎችም ወገኖቻቸውን ይቅርታ እየጠየቁ ነው::

            ለጃጁት የወይአነ መሪዎች ሽንት ጨርቅ እንጂ ውስኪ አይገባቸውም:: እንኳን እነሱ አሽቃባጮቻቸውም ጭምር ሱሪያቸው ላይ እየለቀቁት ነው::
            ‘ግም ለግም አብረህ አዝግም ነው’ ነገሩ::

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            Keep dreaming, if you understand Ethiopian politics, the new political developments are the indication of the end of PMAA. Few months ago I told you that PMAA has 7 to 8 months left, thus do the math. አቢይ እና ኢሳያስ ትግራይ ለማፍረስ ያልፈነቀሉት ድንጋይ የለም። The end is getting closer. PMAA can’t control the country anymore, thus he had to create something to divert the attention of the public.

            First of all, to use the name of the greatest military strategist for anarchism isn’t a sign of respect for his legacy. Just so you know, the name “Fenqil” is a nickname given to General Hayelom, the name was coined by Raya local fighters “ራየቶት ወየንቲ”. It has a lot of history and heroism behind it.

            If you believe in democracy why can’t Abiy do the election? Why can’t you advocate for election? Remember, elections are not the end but they are the means to the end, at least it will resolve the issue of legitimacy.
            The Election Board has been reformed based on Abiy’s need, thus why can’t he focus on the election? The reason is simple, because he doesn’t have any constituency left to support him, even to rig the election you need constituency.

            What you keep forgetting is, you are proponent of Menelik, HS and Derg, thus democracy isn’t in your vocabulary. Let me repeat what I said last time, PMAA is Done!! Either democratically or by force he can’t stay in power more than what he has left. We know it, you know it too, I can read your mind thru your comments. PMAA is at the 11th hour. Whatever you wrote is just ውጥረት የወለደው.

            What is interesting is PMMA’s evolvement: “ፍቅር ያሸንፋል” changed to “ጠመንጃ ያሸንፋል”.

            Q&A:
            Samuel: Who said “ኣንድ ጥይት ና ኣንድ ሰዉ እስኪቀረን እንዋጋለን”?
            Horizon: ጋድ Mengistu Hailemariam, he was great leader.
            Samuel: Where is he today?
            Horizon: Zimbabwe, :'(
            Samuel: smile 😊, wow, you have a good memory, you seem to remember very well.
            Samuel: What was his achievement in 17 years?
            Horizon: He lead “ቀይ ሽብር”, he bombed his own citizens, towns, he killed students, mothers and children. He was great Ethiopian leader.
            Samuel: So, why do you love him?
            Horizon: Because he loves Ethiopia.
            Samuel: But he has killed Ethiopians, what does Ethiopia mean to you without its people?
            Horizon: No, he didn’t kill Ethiopians, he killed Tigrians, Oromo, Somalia, Afar, etc because they are against Ethiopianism/ኢትዮጵያዊነት.
            Samuel: shouldn’t that be resolved thru democracy?
            Horizon: ለ ወያኔ እና ኦነግ democracy ኣያስፈልግም, ለነሱ መግደል ነው ።
            Nitricc: Horizon, Stand your ground, don’t let those Woyane thugs. “TPLF Founded the YiAkil BS to weaken and destroy the Eritrean unity”. Even though “Fenqil” is like YiAkil BS, but keep writing, it could work.
            Samuel: Nitricc you aren’t invited, anyway Thank you both!!

            I hoped you smiled, back to my message:
            Note that, Every society has its own unique characteristics, thus Tigrian mindset isn’t the same mindset as other places, of course there are similarities but not identical. If Qeerroo, Fano, Ejeto were used in Addis Ababa, Oromia, Amhara region, and South to create chaos and anarchism, it doesn’t mean that it will work in Tigray. What we are witnessing in those regions (Qeerroo, Fano, Ejeto regions) is lawlessness, citizens can’t move from one place to another safely.
            Is that the so called “change” that you are hoping to happen in Tigray? Noooooooo. Forget in this day and age, even during Derg that didn’t happen. Anarchism isn’t in Tigray vocabulary, keep writing about it, ምኞት ኣይከለከልም።

            In the last two years chauvinist medias (ETV, ESAT, Zehabesha and the like) lead by PMAA and IA has tried the following to knee Tigray people but they have failed miserably, not only that Tigrians have united more than any time in their history.
            1. Genocide call — ESAT
            2. They invented a narration called “Tigray supremacy”, finally proved to be wrong.
            3. Corruption — two years they have been investigating but they couldn’t bring a single evidence to that selective justice. What about Demeke Mekonnen, Gedu, Abadula and others? They are heroes, right?
            4. Racist documentary — Tegaru will never forget about the documentary produced by federal government media outlets. Specially those chauvinists who had the louder voice.
            5. Road closure — Addis Ababa to Tigray thru Amhara region has been closed for more than two years, where is the love and justice?
            6. Killing Tegaru generals — probably the first country in history to not investigate the killer of its own Chef of Staff. Because they did it.

            In the last two years and before they have done every possible way to knee Tigray people but in reality TPLF and Tigray became stronger and stronger.
            Let me remind you again, if you love Menelik, HS and Derg, however you hate TPLF, it tells me a lot about you and your plans.

            Thanks,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Under the circumstances that we debate here, there is nothing that cannot be forgiven with apology. I apologize similarly if my words to you were strong or hurting. However, so that no pebble stays in my streams: It was not possible to not feel targeted when you said around a month ago talking of the 800 captured Eritrean Italian Soldiers, I quote “… left a grudging stain among Eritreans to this day where zealots and downright racist Eritreans [very few] are making a political capital out of it”. It happens that I talked about the event and the circumstances under which the decision to punish the prisoners was taken citing an uncommon book (by C de la Jonquiere) written around that time along with an Italian photograph of the victims, a year or so ago. When coming to forgiveness, I don’t want to pass without mentioning it since I had avoided commenting on your comment at the time. Racism is abhorrent.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I can not afford to walk away for our similarities outweigh [love of books to mention but a few] our nuanced differences. You are a secular humanist with no joke of intellectual acumen and I trust you give a certain weight when a man of a “religious flair” asks for forgiveness. I missed chatting with you and debating you my brother.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            I threw away the pebble, and the appreciation is mutual.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            “…no pebble stays in my stream…” That is so Hailesque and poetic. As you know however, pebbles in streams inspired great men so much so that, “Calculus–Calculi” is a Latin word for Pebbles. And also, as you know, Integration had been known for decades before two giants in the history of Natural Philosophy—Newton and Leibniz–claimed to have invented or discovered [depends on your beliefs if Mathematics was invented or discovered] Derivatives. The irony is though, Newton died of Kidney stones and Leibniz died of Bladder stones. Perhaps, they both should have given credit to God instead.

          • Haile S.

            Good morning Paul,
            Nice! Yes pebbles (calculi, ሓንዳይ) kill and also pebbles save. Cow gallbladder calculi is one of the most expensive raw material in chinese medicine. They are collected at abattoirs. Because of their rarity and high demands, the chinese has recipes for producing them artificially in-vitro or in-vivo by feeding “ingredients” to the cow. These ‘cow pearls’ are used to treat stroke, convulsion, seizure and hundreds of other conditions.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I didn’t know ሓንዳይ was pebbles. Thank you.

            I wouldn’t have been surprised to see the veneration of cows if it was the Indians who make use of gallbladder stones but the Chinese? That is a surprise. Well, as you know, Siddhartha was from India but got traction in China instead.

            You probably have heard of “Doughnut Economics.” In fact, I am in a middle of reading a book with the same title. Certainly, the author is an Economist but her approach is a new paradigm where the theme is not only holistic but instead of the old mantra–from cradle to grave, she pushes for cradle to cradle instead as in regeneration. In a way, it can relate to what you just said about the gallbladder extracts where instead of discarding them but make use of them for something related to medicine. Thanks again for the great info. Happy Independence and Memorial Day!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Berhe; i am just wondering what the reason you are for apologizing for? did you say something wrong? I am sorry you fall for cheap weyane digital tactics. tell me, what did do wrong for you to apologize? Now, please tell what exactly you did wrong that forced you to apologize? She is a digital weyane trash and playing you like a toy. Again tell me what you did wrong that forced you to apologize to ordinary weyane thug? i hope you answer my inquiry, respectfully, Nitricc.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            It’s Eritrean Independence Day and I don’t want to think negative thought.

            He has forgiven me and I accepted. Keeping grudge and hate us actually not good for the heard and soul.

            I do really like Paulo, even though we disagreed sometimes, but I do consider him a good friend. We have so much in common, that it’s actually will be cool to hang out.

            I think it’s my good friend iSem told me a saying in Arabic “Never lose a friend” or something and I never did and never intend in the future.

            I listen to the link you send earlier “Zerai Deres” and what he wishes for Eritrea.

            I understand it’s something we should get upset about but really.., should we? Let them go crazy…there is nothing fir us to worry about. Let’s just hope to convince the good people and live in peace.

            Here have a watch and listen, that’s us.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aSlX68QqA&feature=youtu.be

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Anta hawina; for what she is forgiving you? I am asking you what was your misgiving in the first place? she is playing you. she is nothing but a paid digital weyane who is tryin infiltration your unity and country. off course, she an absolute Tigryan woman who grow up in Eritrea who goes under cover someone from Adi Niamin to fool like you. again what did do wrong for you to apologize? She is noting but a TPLF wife. And i will not stand for that.

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            I share the bitterness, the sadness, the disappointment, and the betrayal you feel as a result of PFDJ’s greed and the damages they are inflecting on our families, the core of Eritrean society. እዚ ውን ክሐልፍ’ዩ!

            We must, however, be careful not throw the baby with the bathwater.

            Happy Independence Day

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hashela,

            Hope you had a good day and survived the trek. I did marathon walk 30 years ago, but it was on flat surface.

            I responded to Simon question this morning but that’s not what I was not at all throwing in the towel. In fact I was in much celebration mood and was listing and watching TV what we can to celebrate our independence.

            I have very fond memory of Tekle Hiwket. I met him before Eritrea independence and we were invited for dinner at the same place and I happen to sat next to him and spoke to him for over 2 hours or longer. He called me Manjus and he was talking to me about my future school plans, and that’s the day after he had the concert where he played his guitar, like never I have seen before.

            Now that I think about it, he is the only singer that I get to speak for such a long time . I have never tried to learn any musical instruments, except what I learned with Piano attending my kids classes which is very elementary. May be because of him, if I had to learn to play music it would be Guitar. May be some day.

            Here is another song tribute to Tegadelti by Tekle Hiwket “Tegadalay” for all their sacrifices and for making this day possible.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aSlX68QqA

            As to the Tigray elite and their supporters, today will be the last day I will ever write or say anything about them. All I can say is, they really are putting the Tigray people in great danger and they are planting a hate that it will be impossible to fix. This idea that Eritreanism must be destroyed so that Tigray can rise is pure madness.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            My legs and feet feel a bit sore, otherwise it is a literally refreshing exercise and a good thing to contemplate under low atmospheric pressure where the solubility of gas in human body starts to decline!!

            Before the birth of my daughter and she became about 6 years old, I hiked several mountains (upto 4722 m elevation) in Asia, South America, and Europe and South Africa (Draken Bergs). Now my daughter insists that I do only a day hike and go to hotel to sleep or come back home. It terrifies her that I used and love to sleep in the wildern while hiking.
            My wish is to hike Bale and Semien Mountains (Ethiopia).

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Happy Independence Day!!
            I enjoyed the music you generously shared with us.Personally I prefer the original version of the songs.
            Now that is a great choice of Amharic music on Eritrean Independence Day!!
            The old good days…

          • Hashela

            Good Morning Abi

            As neighbors, we have a lot to share.

            The only request Eritrea has is that Ethiopia learns that the neighborly chat and friendly greetings from the beautiful neighbor called Eritrea is no an invitation for an affair or marriage proposal.

            There were no “old good days”. Eritrea remembers those days as an episode of extremely abusive one-way relationship.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            “Yes, yes ብለናል
            ነገሩ ገብቶናል”
            አሉ ይባላል ንጉሡ

      • Abi

        Hello Hashela
        43 km! Now that is how you celebrate Independence Day!
        Take the legendary Ethiopian singer Tekle Tesfazgi with you. With him the 43 km hike will be a breeze.

        • Hashela

          Abi

          “Tekle Tesfazgi” as a companion. You never fail to amaze me.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            He is my favorite. The most loved Tigrinya singer ever.

      • Nitricc

        Greetings Hashela; this for you and for the rest of who beleive in Eritrea.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalUIaUFh-g

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; it is very interest following the Ethiopian politics and their priority. They are at it talking about the fake constitution and its expiration; while Coronavirus is getting its roots among the Ethiopian people. in one police station 66 people found that they carry the virus. I think the Ethiopians are getting fooled by the situation. They expect hard hit of the virus and in fact it was very slow and sporadic, that make them to relax and undermined the danger. Anyone who talks about the freaking fake constitution should be arrested. Very soon Ethiopians will forced what Eritreans they had to go through and that is the only way. No worries about Tigray though; the police have killed more people than the virus and I suspect the trend will continue. it is kind of odd, to protect you from the virus, they will kill you. lol any finally the people of Tigray are waking up. Some one made a list of the TPLF top 50 officials and all , I mean all send their children in US or Europe for education. And the Tigray people have no water to drink?

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nitricc,

      I don’t know about your main point and the YouTube source of your information. But there is a true statement in your post about how the privileged few get to send themselves, their kids and relatives to Europe and the U.S.

      Isn’t that a universal problem?

      What percentage of Awatistas, do you think, are beneficiaries of the same related problems/solutions you are talking about?

      In addition, did you recently read that a Rwandan genocide suspect was arrested in Europe, after all these years. If they have waited a little longer, old age would have claimed him. (Judgement day)
      There is a lot of problems our countries face.
      You emphasizing my problem and I emphasizing yours doesn’t help either one of us.
      You remember, a white journalist saying about you and me a while ago…,,,,,… …two bold men fighting over a comb. That statement hurts but addresses the core situation, I am afraid.

      Mr. K.H

      • Nitricc

        Isn’t that a universal problem?

        Hey Kim; in a way, yes it is universal one. But you may send your kid to Harvard because you are rich but you got make public universities affordable to the poor. What you have in Tigray is, sending all their kids to Universities all over USA and Europe while their people are poor and thousands of Young Tigrayns are suffering in Yemen and Saudi. the Tigrayan elites, decided 24 million to fight coronavirus yet, they allocate 300 million Birr for the federalist. The so-called federalist forces, once they got their money, they told TPLF thugs to jump in the lake. The TPLF are so corrupted an inhuman; I have no idea why Tigryans want to protect those day light hyena. although their time is numbered. there are cracks among them and that is the end.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Awate forum friends,
    I would like to share with everybody happy news about our Amanuel Hidrat. I talked to him, and he confirmed that he has fully been recovered. He will come, hopefully, in due time and grace us with his valuable input.

    • Paulos

      Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

      Glad to hear and thank you for reaching out. We miss him a lot. God bless.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Thank you,Brother,

      How worried I was, It is great news..I didn’t know how to contact him. I lost his number..I don’t know how that happen to me. Send me his number at kokhobselamone@gmail.com

      KS,,

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Kokhob,
        I just got in contact with him through messenger. If you have fb account you may add him, or perhaps you may use his ” tebeges ” mail.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Ok….Bother Ismail AA,

          Thank you..I just got it ..in Google …bad me…I lost my mobile and all numbers were lost..now I didn’t also knew what to do..See the confusion.,,,Ha Ha ha..” tebeges ” is the best solution..Thank you..

          KS,,

  • Mengisteab Araya
    • Mengisteab Araya

      Actions speak louder than words. When what is being said does not match what is happening on the ground it is considered false.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. The TPLF have always been pathological liars and garbage lowlife. A few TPLF Digital Army cockroaches here, some of whom have TPLF millionaires & billionaires as benefactors, wish to lamely project the TPLF as having the interests and well being of Eritreans always close to heart. One has to remember that as recent at June 2016, the TPLF had launched unprovoked military offenses on the Tsorona front. And how can we forget the TPLF back in 2006 murdering innocent Ethiopian citizens in effort to blame Eritrea (& others). – Wikileaks cable/2006/October 6/08.53/Friday-:
    1. (S) SUMMARY A series of explosions were reported in Addis Ababa on September 16, killing three individuals. The GoE announced that the bombs went off while being assembled, and that the three dead were terrorists from the outlawed Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) with links to the Oromo National Congress (ONC). An embassy source, as well as clandestine reporting, suggests that the bombing may have in fact been the work of GoE security forces. END SUMMARY 2. (U) On September 16, three bomb explosions were reported in the Kara Kore area of Addis Ababa. The explosions were heard at 4:45 a.m., 7:00 a.m., and 10:00 a.m. The National Intelligence and Security Service (NISS), together with the Federal Police Anti-terror Task Force later reported that the bombs were “part of a coordinated terror attack by the OLF and Sha’abiya (Eritrea) aimed at disrupting democratic development.” The NISS said that the intended terror plot had failed and the bombs had mistakenly gone off while the suspects were preparing them while hiding out at an illegally built house. Two of the suspects died immediately, while another died on the way to the hospital. One other is in critical condition. The police task force reported having others in custody related to the plot and that evidence shows the terrorists had ties to Oromo groups – the Mecha and Tulema Association (MTA) and the ONC. They also said that the bombs used contained parts sourced from Eritrea and were consistent with bombs used in previous terrorist attacks. 3. (S) On September 20, Dr. Merera Gudina (strictly protect), the former leader of the ONC (and a typically reliable information source), contacted Post to report that the deceased had not died not while constructing a bomb, but rather at the hands of GoE cadres. Dr. Merera said that the men had been picked up by police a week prior, kept in detention and tortured. He said police then left the men in a house and detonated explosives nearby, killing 3 of them. He did not indicate whether the men were ONC or OLF affiliated. 4. (S) Clandestine reporting indicates that the bombs did not explode inside the structure, but rather appear to have been placed outside and detonated. HUDDLESTON”.

    • Aligaz G

      Mokie Berhe,

      I assume you are trying to press some buttons right?

    • Nitricc

      Hey Mokie; you forgot to mention the main once. Howzen massacre was planned by the TPLF thugs. The massacre is fully recorded in a video. The reason! By plying with the people’s emotion; and to get more people to join TPLF. It worked.
      According to an Ethiopian activist, Taye Bogale; Aider school bombing was used to the same cause. To get other Ethiopians to join in a war to eradicate Eritreans from the face of the earth! It worked; the Ethiopians stupidly fall for it. Now the Tigryans are saying. The Amara and Oromo joined in war against Eritrea because they wanted to revenge their father’s blood.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. During the 2005 election demonstrations, during which Meles ordered the deaths of 193 unarmed Ethiopian civilians in Addis Ababa, he told General Samora that “These Amhara donkeys need to be taught a lesson. They only become peaceful and religious when a Kalashnikov is pointed at them.”

    • Abi

      Hello Mokie
      Look who quarantined themselves now? Not the Amhara donkeys.
      Guess who is watching his shadows?

      He said his አድማ በታኝ mercenaries used live bullets because they didn’t have rubber bullets. The killing happened during the AAU students protest.
      Now Esteemed Professors like Paul and Samuel are telling us to worship Meles with them. Definitely they wholeheartedly appreciate his actions.

  • Mokie Berhe

    In 1991, during the London conference, Meles told British and American officials that the umbrella EPRDF coalition would be subordinate to his TPLF party. When British officials objected, a visibly angry Meles said “Let me make something clear. After the conference, we are not going to have an EPRDF government.”

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Mokie Berhe,
      May I place a request here? I, and many for sure, come here to learn through information participants provide. We would like to read certified and credible information. I noted a couple of quotes in your input. You would be serving us pretty well if you would also be generous to include the sources.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. The TPLF has unleashed a new wave of digital Woyane trolls on social media, pretending to be from Oromo to spread lies and disinformation. “18 young TPLF provocateurs, under the stewardship of senior political activists, have been each allocated to use several random Oromo names with Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) flag to spread conflict and strife throughout Ethiopia up to the coming general election periods”.

  • Paulos

    Selam All,

    Ethiopian news outlets are reporting that six members of the Federalist Parties disappeared from Bole International Airport while they were waiting to board a plane headed to Mekele. Over a decade ago, Aster Yohannes disappeared from Asmara Airport while her family were waiting to receive her.

    Getachew Assefa is probably chilling smoking Cuban Cigar with Courvoisier in his hands he stole from Arat Kilo while he was guarding the nation so that citizens remain safe. Only heaven knows what crosses his mind when the nation he kept safe for over two decades descends into a frightening scene.

    • Abi

      Paul
      Those men and women who were kidnapped and tortured by the party you worship and the person you admire are shaking their heads.
      Now join Getachew smoking a fine cigar.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        He probably did torture people but to the very least Ethiopians didn’t have to worry if they were going to make it home in one piece much less to be snatched in a broad daylight from an Airport which sports international safety standards. As I said, he probably stole the Remy Martin and I don’t want have any of stolen goodies.

        • Abi

          Paul
          You are unusually slow this Sunday afternoon.
          You said people didn’t have to worry to make it home. No Sir! People have been snatched from their homes.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You are the ጎብየ and Snail [how do you say Snail in Amharic? In Tigrinya, it is ኣሮኔ] today. I wasn’t talking about Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are becoming slower and slower as the daylight disappears. Looks like you missed your afternoon nap worrying about tplf.
            You don’t usually talk about Eritrea.
            It was in Ethiopia that Tplf snatched people from their homes and the streets and work places…
            ጎብዬ ምንድነው?
            Snail in Amharic is ቀንድአውጣ .

            Any news from Saay?

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos,

      Sounds depressing. Have did news outlets report why the delegation was travelling to Mekele to begin with? We know the TPLF is committed to federalists arrangement, on the basis of the current structure (ethnic) or perhaps some other formula. If the report is credible, I think it will add to escalation of the festering crisis around the election and its scheduling. I wonder where Jawar Mohammed fits in the divide that separate Abiy’s party and the Oromo federalists. There was some kind of proximity or even platform sharing talks with some of them, and which included the Dr. Dawud Ibsa’s OLF. Any extra thoughts?

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        The news is credible. They were traveling for a fellow up conference in Mekele which had started a year or so ago when EPRDF was officially dissolved and TPLF started to mobilize Federalist forces. Their whereabouts is hitherto unknown. It feels like the beginning of the nasty showdown between EPRP and MiEson in 76 when the Dergue snatched the mantle of power through violence at the heart of the city.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dr. Paulos,
          Appreciate your care to confirm the news. By the way, you have got brilliant memory. The analogy you mentioned is still fresh in the mind of people who watch Ethiopian affairs. God save the poor and ordinary Ethiopians. They had been, have been and will be side that would pay the price if, the Heavens forbid, things would go wrong. I think the Ethiopians should read well the history (recent and old) of the country.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Ismail AA. Aside from complimenting Dr. Paulos for his brilliant memomery, did he ever confrim the willd news that he reported or have you yourself been able to confirm it yourself?

        • Sultan M.G.

          Selamat Doc:
          Bad news,if true.
          But remember that there has been the de facto “Declaration of War“ by the TPLF on Abiys Govt!
          The premature Democracy and the Keidi-albo Freedom of Speech have led to an unprecedented mess in Ethiopia.
          What do you expect the Abiy Govt to do when it is threatened to death?
          I found it disappointing when you tried to compare and contrast this few incidents with the alleged close to “social genocidal acts” by the TPLF!
          At least the “Gunning down of a-1000- innocent Ethiopians does not sound”nice”!

      • Teodros Alem

        selam ismeal a
        How is Ramadan? Laylat al Qadr?
        i don’t think jawar or dawud or olf will be helpful for tplf for 2 reasons. 1, they r way way smarter than tplf, they will not be by any means under tplf, they have every power to make tplf under them. 2, listen to jawar and dawud recent interview, if u speak good amharic, they clearly said it, specially jawar.
        So u better concentrate on the nameless, no constituency federalist forces, they r the only hope for tplf.
        be good.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ismail; not only I am not surprised at all, I was waiting when it hill happen and it did. PMAA.PMAA spend all that money modernizing and remodeling the Bete-Mengist; do you think he is just going to leave it for anyone? He is going to do what he has to do and it won’t be pretty. I think we will a nasty power struggle in Ethiopia. I predict at the end, PMAA will prevail. by simple reason, he got the USA behand him.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. TPLF has for too long been acting like an outlaw organisation. Time is overdue to confiscate all TPLF owned hotels and businesses which are located outside of Tigray region. Any TPLF business in Ethiopia should immediately be boycotted until such time that it is reclaimed by the Federal Government. TPLF businesses located outside of Tigray region should be marked with fluorescent orange paint.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. A quote from the TPLF’s Daniel Berhane “There is a war on Tigray. Eritreans and Tigrayans would better stand together against Ethiopians.”

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all In 1993, during the conclusion of his interview, a reporter asked Meles on his views of Ethiopian history, to which Meles responded with:”Ethiopia is only 100 years old. Those who claim otherwise are indulging themselves in fairy tales.” Later in 1997, while holding a discussion with Professor Donald Levine, an intellectual who has studied Ethiopia’s history for five decades, Meles stated that Ethiopia had never been a single country prior to Menelik’s conquest. In trying to emphasise this point, Meles said:”The Tigreans had Axum, but what could that mean to the Gurague? The Agew had Lalibela, but what could that mean to the Oromo? The Gonderes had castles, but what could that mean to the Wolaitai?”

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. In 2010, while discussing bilateral relations with the former Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi in Addis Ababa, Meles said: “I am Yemeni. I know myself to be a Yemeni. We are Yemenis. Apart from the royal family, Ethiopians are Arabs.”

    • Selam Mokie Berhe,
      We didn’t know that Ethiopians are Arabs and mz was a Yemeni. If he had told Yemenis that he was one of them, certainly they would have told him “thanks but no thanks. Go and find your African roots. More than 60% of your genes are African. As to the rest no one knows where it came from, farmers from the Lavants who were about 25% of the population of the horn 3 millennia ago, Southern Arabia, may be, anybody who may have passed through the land and left behind his genes, etc.”
      As much as he was concerned Oromos, Gurages, Welaitas, etc, didn’t have history. This is an extremist ethno nationalistic concept.
      No doubt the region is for another adventure, that of agazianism, i.e. christian orthodoxy, anti-Muslim, zionism, ethnic superiority and right wing extremism.
      This is the problem of not knowing one’s priorities, i.e. getting out of poverty or living in an unknown Dreamland and unknown epoch of milk and honey, and that of glory and greatness, no one knows if it ever existed.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    Now this virus had caused the entire African dictators to extend the main cause of election..watch this Uganda..

    “It’s ‘Madness’ To Hold UGANDA ELECTIONS If Virus Continues” Pres. Museveni in bid to stay in Power?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvSLM94sm8

    What a madness, Dr.Abiy started it and now the those corrupted leasers are following…

    KS,,

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,
    Can those who have contact with Amanuel Hidrat brief us about his condition. Saleh Johar had gratefully told us that he had done well to fight the illness and would rejoin us in due time. I hope he has fully regained his health, and his absence from this forum for this long is due to personal and good reason(s). Anything on this, please, from Saleh or someone else.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Ismail: I was thinking of this morning and I said to my self, maybe taking his time before going to war, in the awate-front line. I hope he is doing just fine. Thanks for bring it up.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Nitricc,
        Thank you so much for your concern and prompt response. I join you for the good wish you have expressed. We all need him to be here irrespective we agree or disagree with his views. He has always been a giant on the frontline as your self.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Ismail and Nitricc,

          I join you in wishing Emma a full recovery and return to his amphitheatre. This song is for him & for all of you, the Awate people.

          https://youtu.be/D4eU0joc-24

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,
            A selection from a depth of a mind immersed in culture and art. You know how much Emma is committed to the principle of diversity as translated to peace and advancement of nations. Sure he will relish this music as I, too, have enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; I don’t what to make it of. how do they get tot he current time. why was this video was kept out of the public and some body has to pay money to get it out of Mekkele. Here starts the cracking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKdgoSmyiuk&feature=emb_logo

    • Selam Nitricc,

      Not only we who watched this video, I doubt that even Dr. DT himself will believe what he said in that conference room in front of so many people. When he spoke of Dr. Abiy and his Medemir being the new way forward, that he couldn’t believe that things like removing the nails of prisoners were carried out by the tplf/eprdf government when they fought to abolish injustices, internal borders like welkait, etc, are easy to solve, when the Ethio-Eritrean borders are being solved, etc, it is difficult to believe that he has turned 180 degrees and says all the things he says today against the federal government and the Ethiopian PM. This video leaves tplf/woyane naked in the eyes of the Ethiopian people, Tigrayans included.
      Most probably Dr. DT didn’t know yet that Abiy was not HMD who was forced to serve tplf’s interests and finally resigned, and he heaped so much accolades on the new PM. Surely, he has bitterly regretted it now.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Horizon,

        I don’t know you interpret is that way, but I actually thought that Dr. Debre and TPLF were fully inline and in support of the change.

        They way I see it, I think, what’s been said or TPLF accuser of, anti change or that they only wanted Ethiopia under control of TPLF, seems to me was not the case.

        All I can say is, it’s a lost opportunity things haven’t continued as they started, which I think TPLF was also for the positive change.

        I think the PM may have moved too fast too soon to replace EPRDF with the PP, perhaps it would have been wise that he would have run the election and get the mandate and move slowly towards the change.

        I think for Dr. Debretsion, it’s more like a vindication if anything that he and TPLF were in support of the change and including the reapproachment with Eritrea.

        I think the only thing that looks a bit odd is when he will meet Isayas and it will be an accord moment.

        But for us Eritreans, it shows how vulnerable we are, that one person who decides the faith of the entire country as if it’s his own backyard.

        It shows that Abi, saying Isu and Wedi Afe can get what ever he wanted.

        Berhe

        • Selam Berhe Y.,

          You said, “…Dr. Debre and TPLF were fully inline and in support of the change.”. The million dollar question is why did they change their stand? Dr DT was saying that he supported the change, the rapprochement with Eritrea and Dr. Abiy’s acceptance of the EEBC decisions. What transpired in between that he is now completely against all these? If Dr. DT stated his opinion without consulting the tplf bosses who may not have liked it, that is a possibility. Hence, the video was buried for so long. I have no doubt that at the center is power politics, that of controlling the center.
          The idea of forming a single party was not the PMAA idea. It was an old decision taken by the four parties with tplf at the forefront.
          Of course, a one man show is not an ideal situation. Nevertheless, I think that no one will give nothing for free, and the cosy relations between the two leaders mean nothing when national interest is on the table. The problem is that everyone has his/her own interpretation of national interest if political power and not the interest of the people is the main criteria.

        • Admassie

          Selam Berhe,

          That is a fair and genuine view.
          People tend to forget the act (not the cause) to change was agreed between the four parties of EPRDF which TPLF is one. Then the change started while PMHD was in power. When PMAA came and made his speech in the parliament, we all felt that a bright future is dawning. Not because of his words of platitude, but because he said he will draw a line afresh that makes the forgone forgone and sets a better future for a fragile country. But did not know little, at least some of us, that a fox in a sheepskin is comming.

          You said “All I can say is, it’s a lost opportunity things haven’t continued as they started, which I think TPLF was also for the positive change.” Exactly!

          The PM started to show his true color and intent not long by targating, defaming and isolating TPLF. He started to create a fertile ground for a conflict. He knew he will get support from groups and part of societies coming from ethnics with big population. Because those groups have already established animosity to wards TPLF from the start for it’s “crime”, holding power while being from a minority, and has worked fiercely to paint TPLF as anti Ethiopia.

          He set medias, such as ESAT, free to spit hate with no accountability. He intentionally gave a leading comment on a TV broadcasting who might the suspect be of his assassins minutes after the incident has happened. He threw a catch phrase “የቀን ጅቦች” and did not care what its consequences will be. He prepared and showed skewed documentary that pictures “ትግርኛ ተነጋሪ” people as evil. Corruption attributed to TPLF and TPLF only and so on and so on… GERD was belittled and dumped. Its CEO assassinated. The development Ethiopia has achived prior to his reign, the legacy PMMZ left and EPRDF has done, all projects which still are being inagurated by (even Isayias) Abiy are said farce.

          By then, it was clrear that the fox with the sheepskin has come with a full vengence! It could be a hoo hoo moment for his supporters as long as his actions are against TPLF and Tigray. But for reasonable people, the question is what is the PM trying to achieve from his hate ridden action? Is he looking for a war? And then? Now all his falls “ፍቅርና፣ መተሳሰብ ወዘተ” words are gone and he is saying he is ready for any action. It seems he is getting to a moment as the saying goes “የጎጃም ደብተራ ቅኔው ሲያልቅበት ቀረርቶ ለቀቀበት”.

          I feel a country must fear for its existence not from it’s children who are suspected of having “little” love for her, rather, from it’s children who are obssessed as having an exceptional love for her!

          Thank you.

          • Paulos

            Selam Admassie,

            As you know, luck plays a big role in politics and TPLF has always been lucky where in a rather strange way the not so terribly bright Abiy handed them a second chance to life on a silver platter.

            The more he attacked TPLF left and right, the people of Tigrai got closer with them more than ever including the ኣዮኻ ናይና generation. To add more fuel to the fire, Abiy started to cosy with Isaias who is determined to destroy them. The luck seems to gain more mileage as Abiy refuses to learn from his stupid strategy including all the media outlets.

            What they don’t seem to get to their head is that, TPLF owns historical legitimacy where it restored the pride of the Tigreans which had been destroyed for almost a century since the death of Emperor Yohannes in 1887. More over, practically every household in Tigrai contributed to the struggle including human cost. The Front and the people are two faces of the same coin so to speak including the Opposition Parties in Tigrai claim to be Weyane. That tells you how much the people are psyched up with it.

          • Admassie

            Selam Paulos,

            “What they don’t seem to get to their head is that, TPLF owns historical legitimacy where it restored the pride of the Tigreans which had been destroyed for almost a century since the death of Emperor Yohannes in 1887. More over, practically every household in Tigrai contributed to the struggle including human cost.”
            You put it well.
            That is why TPLF is not just a mere party of some members. It is a symbol and emblem to the majority of people of Tigray. This is not to put TPLF on the highest altar of adoration. As you have said it, the people of Tigray have invested their children for thier aspiration through TPLF and they have a special attachment with the party where the party draws its legitmacy. Therefore, targeting and attacking TPLF blatantly will not win the hearts of the people who have sentimental attachment with the party.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Admassie; are a Tigryan? be honest? then why use the Amara name Admassie? just asking. To tell you the truth, your dignity and pried comes when you stand as one great Ethiopia.If you ask me I refused to equate Tigray with TPLF. The people of Tigray are dinified and proud people unlike TPLF, the killer, the thief, the corrupt and stupid organization. shame on you to tie the Tigrayan people with such evil group of people.

          • Admassie

            Selam Nitricc,

            You ask the same question about my name and who I am, again. I will give you the clue and sort out yourself what of me. My grandmas come: from Gijet, Tigray and from Mendefera, Eritrea . My Grandfathers come: from Gilbena, Gondar and Seqota Wello. I was born and grew up at a border town formerly in Gondar now in Tigray.
            My mom speaks amharic and understands Tigrigna. My dad speaks amharic, tigrigna and agewgna. Well what do you think?

            Do not worry, every ones wish is to have one strong Ethiopia. There is no ambiguity about it.

            Come on Nitricc…Shame on me? Nah… የራሷ አሮባት የሰው ታማስላለች። Look your home first!

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            ተወልደህ ያደግህበት መንደር ከጎንደር ተሰዶ ትግራይ የሰፈረበት ምክንያት ምንድነው?
            መንደርም እንደህዝብ መሰደድ ጀመረ እንዴ? በወያኔ ዘመን ምን የምይሰማ ጉድ አለ?
            አንተ እንዳሻህ ውቃቢህ እንደፈቀደልህ ሁን:: መንደራችንን ግን መልሱልን::
            በጉልበትና በጠመንጃ ከጎንደር ሰርቀው ከወሰዱት መንደር ጊዜው ሳይመሽ ቅራቅንቧቸውን ሸክፈው ሹልክ ብለው ይውጡልን::
            ይህ በባድሜ የተጀመረ የመሬት ስርቆትና መስፋፋት መቆም አለበት!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

            ይኸውልዎ እንግዲህ “ውሃን ከጥሩ ጨዋታን ከሥሩ” ይባል የለ፡፡ ተወልጄ ያደግኩበት ሥፍራ ወላጆቼ የኖሩበት አይደለም፡፡ ወላጆቼ ከነበሩበት አማርኛ ተናጋሪ ከሆነው ከእናቴ አገር ከደጋው ትግርኛ ተናገሪ ወደ ሆነው ቆላ ቁልቁል ወርደው መኖር የጀመሩት እኔ ተረግዤ ነው፡፡

            እናልዎ በተወለድኩበት ከተማ ዙሪያ እንዲህ ወደ ትግራይ እስከ ተከዜ፤ ደግሞም እንዲህ ወደ ጎንደር እስከ ዛሬማ ያለው ስፍራ ሁሉ ቆላማና ትግርኛ ተናጋሪ ህዝብ የሰፈረበት ሲሆን እንደኔ ወላጆች ያሉ በዋናነት አማርኛ ተናጋሪ የሆኑት ነዋሪዎች የመጡት ከላይ ከደጋው የዳሸን የተራራ ሰንሰለቶች ከሚገኙበት ወገን ነው፡፡ የአብዛኛው ስፍራ መጠሪያም ትግርኛ ነው፡፡

            እንግዲህ መቸስ መሬት የፈጣሪ ነው፡፡ ሰው ሲኖርበትም አደል አገር የሚሆነው፡፡ ቀድመው በቦታው የሰፈሩት ትግሬዎቹ ናቸው፡፡ ኢሃዴግም ሲመጣ አብዛኛዎቹ ነዋሪዎች እነዚያው ትግሬዎች ናቸው፡፡ መሬቱም ሕዝቡም ያው እንደ ድሮው በቦታው አለ፡፡ ባለህበት እርጋ ተብሎ ከዚያ መለስ ትግራይ ክልል ሆነ! እንግዲህ እግዜር ያሳይዎትና ጌታው እነዚህን ሰዎች ወዴት ነው “ሹልክ” ብለው ይሂዱ እሚሉት?!

            እግዜሩ ይመስገን ቤተሰቦቸም ዘመዶቸም ባሉበት ሳይጎረብጣቸው ይኖራሉ፡፡ በዚህ በከፋ ጊዜ እንኳ በጎሪጥ የሚያያቸው የለም፡፡

            በሌላው ገጥ ከትውልድ ከተማየ እንዲህ ወደ ጎንደር አቅጣጫ ትንሽ አለፍ ብሎ አንድ ሌላ ከተማ አለ፡፡ በፊት እንዲህ እንደኔው ከተማ በአብዛኛው ትግርኛ ተነጋሪ ሕዝብ የሰፈረበት ቦታ ነበር፡፡ በኋላ ግን አማርኛ ተናጋሪው እየበዛ ሄደ፡፡ ኢሃዴግም ሲመጣ ይበልጠውን ነዋሪ አማርኛ ተናጋሪው ሆነ፡፡ እንግዲህ መቸስ መሬት የፈጣሪ ነው፡፡ ሰው ሲኖርበትም አደል አገር የሚሆነው፡፡ መሬቱም ሕዝቡም ያው እንደ ድሮው በቦታው አለ፡፡ ባለህበት እርጋ ተብሎ ከዚያ መለስ አማራ ክልል ሆነ!

            መቼስ ከባለቤቱ ያወቀ … ይባል አደል፡፡ በስሚ ስሚ የሆነውን ሳይሆን እኔ የኖርኩበትን አጫወትኩዎ፡፡

          • Samuel

            Selam Admassie,
            “መቼስ ከባለቤቱ ያወቀ … ይባል አደል፡፡” Very true.
            Very interesting read, Thank you for sharing.

            በደርግ ዘመን ነው ኣንድ ወታደር በግ ገዝተህ ና ተብሎ ወደ ገበያ ይላካል፤
            ወታደሩ ገበያ ይሄድና በግ ተራ ይደርሳል፤
            ሁኖም ግን በግ ኣላገኘም፤ ተሽጠው ኣልቀዋል፤
            ከዛ ኣንድ ፀጉር የበዛበት ውሻ ኣየና ውሻውን ቀጥቅጦ ተሽክሞት ይሄዳል፤
            ኣለቃው ኣየውና እንዴ ምን ነው ውሻ ተሸክመህ መጣህ ኣለው፤
            ወታደሩ መልሶ “ጌታየ ውሻው በግ መሆኑ ኣምነዋል” ብሎ መለስለት ይባላል።

            ስለዚህ እነዚህ ሰዎች በጉልበት የሰው ማንነት ልያስቀይሩ ነው።

            Thanks,

          • Admassie

            ሰላም ሳሙኤል፡

            እውነታዎቹ እዚያው በቦታቸው ላይ ናቸው፡፡ ችግሩ ነገሮች የሚራገቡት በብዙ ኪሎ ሜትሮች ርቀት በጥላቻና በጦዘ የፖለቲካ ስሜት እንዲሁም ከባለጉዳዩ በላይ ባለጉዳይ በመሆን አባዜ ውስጥ ተሁኖ ነው፡፡

          • Paulos

            Selam Admassie,

            That is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you!

            ራስ ኣቢ ተናደዋል ሁላ ትግሬ ሌባ ነው እያሉ ነው ለ’ያንተን ቢጤ ፈረንጁን ሲመልሱልት [I presume Admassie and Horizon are the same in meaning] ነው የሰማህዋቸው ዛሬ በጠዋቱ፣ ምን’ነው ጀታው ራስ ኣቢ ጨዋ ኣልነበሩም እንዴ ብየ እጅ እየነሳሁ ጠየቅክዋቸው፣ ሂድ ዞር በል ከፊቴ ኣንተ ብሎ ደሞ ማንነትህን የማይታወቅ ብለው ኣባረሩኝ።

          • Admassie

            Selam Paulos,

            Thank you.

            ልጅ ጳውሎስ፡
            ባለፈው ጊዜ ጌታው ራሥ አቢ ባንተ ላይ ቆጣ ያሉብህ መስሎኝ ላናግራቸው ከጀል አደረገኝ፡፡ “በገዛ ወንድሜ እንዳሻኝ ብሆንበት አንተን ምን ዶለህ!” ቢሉኝ ጊዜ ጠላትህ እፍር ይበል ሽቁርር ብየ ተመለስኩኝ፡፡ “አሃ ለካስ ቁጣቸው ታንገት በላይ ኖሯልና!” ብየ ተዛ ወዲያ እርም አልኩ፡፡ ደግመው ዛሬም ተቆጥተውህ ተሆነ እንግዲህ ሰው ስንቴ ይሞኛል እዚያው እንደፍጥርጥራችሁ!:-)

          • Nitricc

            Come on Nitricc…Shame on me? Nah… የራሷ አሮባት የሰው ታማስላለች። Look your home first!

            Hi Admasie; we will see whose house burns first. Eritrea is what it is, even coronavirus left the country complaining about rights in Eritrea. My main point was don’t include the people of Tigray with the few TPLF thugs. if you do, you are doing great injustice to the people you are trying to protect. Thanks for answering my question though.

          • Abi

            Paul
            What does it mean when you say Tplf restored the pride of Tigreans which has been destroyed since the death of Yohannes?
            Let me make it easy for you and all Tplf and Tigrean worshippers.
            If you want to keep your pride to continue until kingdom comes, create a Tigrean nation and rule yourselves. No Amhara or Oromo or any other person from a lesser ethnic group will destroy your pride.
            Agazian Nation is the solution.

            Paul, please stop insulting others. Not cool at all. Keep your pride and nation for yourself.
            ጉድ እኮ ነው!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Do you know what is not cool? እሁድ እለታ ስትናደዲ. Your cool is your icy sarcasm and ሰምና-ወርቅ instead. As the Brits would say it, do bring them more.

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            You asked … “What does it mean when you say Tplf restored the pride of Tigreans”

            Let me start with this question and then you will understand what has been restored. Can you list few accomplishments that Menelik, HS and Derg regimes has done in Tigray? Just try to mention a single good accomplishment of these regimes in Tigray? Remember that those regimes had been in power for about 100 years. So, try to list.
            1. Number of schools, Colleges and Universities they have built in Tigray if any?
            2. The number of industries or factories they have built in Tigray during those period if any?
            3. Roads or other infrastructures outside what Italy has built in Tigray/Ethiopia during the five year occupation if any?
            4. Dams or irrigation they have built in Tigray if any?

            The answer is NONE.

            Instead, what Tigray got from Menelik, HS and Derg was:
            1. Wuchale treaty
            2. Haileslasie’s air bombardment in Raya and Mekelle at market center (thousands died)
            3. Derg bombardment, killing, rape, harassment of women and children.
            4. Famine during HaileSilasie
            5. Famine during Derg
            6. Backwardness
            7. The list goes on

            For the sake of honesty, until 1983 EC/1991 GC there were only three high schools in Tigray.
            1. Adwa — Nigiste Saba High school
            2. Adigrat — Agazi High school
            3. Meklelle — Atse Yohannes High school

            Just for comparison (Tigray only), in the last 27 years EPRDF/TPLF has built 1200 primary school, 265 high schools, four Universities, a number of private and governmental Colleges, Industries, factories and Industrial Park, etc.
            Proportionally (based on their population size) EPRDF has built similar in all 8 states and two chartered cities. Most of EPRDF’s development was in Addis Ababa, Oromia, Amhara and Southern regions.

            In 1983 EC or 1991 GC, Ethiopia was a backward country. In the last 27 years EPRDF/TPLF has tried to build a country, a country that has able to attract many international investors and headquarter of big companies and international agencies, etc.

            If you look Ethiopia Airlines today, that is the product of EPRDF/TPLF’s Ethiopia.
            When you visit GERD you will be amazed, that is the product of EPRDF/TPLF’s Ethiopia.
            The infrastructure in Ethiopia is one of the finest accomplishment of EPRDF/TPLF’s Ethiopia.
            Remember “Rome wasn’t built in a day”.

            Since you have asked about “restoration”, you have to compare TPLF legacy(27 years) versus previous regimes legacy (100 years).Thus, the question for you is:- what has Tigray benefited from Menelik, HS and Derg 100 years in power?

            What TPLF has done is the reverse project of what Menelik, HS and Derg had done in Ethiopia, Ttat is called restoration. Well, TPLF has also restored the stolen and twisted history of Tigray and Ethiopia.
            There is no question that many mistakes has been committed by EPRDF/TPLF, but comparing to what they have done and comparing to what the previous regimes have done, it is a restoration.

            The question remains, Why would one admire Menelik, HS and Derg, but hate EPRDF/TPLF?

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            What u have asked was to name what tplf has done in tigrai, in tplf constituency, not in other regions of ethiopia which is none of tplf business.
            4 universities were made and run by federal gov, not by tplf. And i debate ur other numbers, it looks like u just said it because u know there is no way to verify it, u just said it like gov control medias.
            let me ask u this simple question, over 1/4 of tigrai people live under safety net programs, why .2, tigtai is one of 3 highly illegal migrant region in ethiopia, that migrated outside the country, why?
            about ats menilik, hs and mengestu, read tplf’s manifesto, they were occupiers, tigrai were the subject, that was why tigrai people revolted and formed tplf.

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Abination is an intelligent guy who has not lost on him the contrasts you just laid out but for a reason only known to him, he sees TPLF for what he thinks it is. Kind of futile attempt to convince him otherwise so to speak. As they say, ናብ ዘይሰምዓካ ደርቢ ኣይትማህለል.

            In my readings, one of the reason, in fact the main reason the King was so vindictive and determined to punish Tigrai was for they revolted against him in 1942 which is otherwise known as First Weyane. As a result, as one historian poignantly put it, at one point, Tigrai was the poorest province in the whole world and one can appreciate the restoration of the pride given the bleakness a century old history.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            the fact is, drought was not started under menilk rule in tigrai, drought was there before menelik, under ats yohannes there was worst drought in tigrai, ask the walkyet elders, they will tell u ats yohannes soldiers looting and war at the time of yohannes, ask the people of gonder, why the mountain near gonder called ” tigrai mechoye”.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I agree with you, I don’t question his intelligence but he isn’t using it for the right reasons. Abi and Horizon knows well what Ethiopia used to be and where it is today.

            The main reason I respond to Abi and Horizon isn’t to convince them per see, mostly it is provide or leave a contrast argument for others see. As you may assume there are many silent visitors of the website, thus if you let their point without contrast argument it will create unwanted narrative (false narrative).

            A little of history, I am sure you know ESAT media and others their kind, they have been lying about Tigray for years, even to the extent ESAT declared genocide in 2016, after that Tigreans were beaten, killed and expelled from Gonder and other parts of Ethiopia.

            Part of the blame is Tegaru weren’t active in all means of media (including web based media) and we weren’t participating in responding false claims. Well, after 2016 (ESAT genocide) it has changed a lot.

            One of the weakness of Tegaru and Tigray intellectuals in particular was we don’t write books, articles, participate in social media, etc. Mostly it was the “Menelik” camp who were writing books, newspapers, generally the media was controlled by them, specially the first 15 years. A lot of damage has been done, but we are able to recover quickly and we are in the right path.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            You can’t possibly write books and loot the country at the same time. You were busy looting 24/7/365. No time left for writing a thing.

          • Selam Samuel,
            Why are you people blind to the crimes of tplf/woyane and you want to whitewash it with roads and buildings constructed with debt money? Why do u see only the crimes against you, but not the crimes you committed against others? Is it possible to ask Ethiopians to forget the killings, the torture, the prisoners, those who were made to disappear, the economic crimes, the poison of hate among our social groups left behind by tplf, etc, and instead call you the guardian angels of Ethiopians?
            When you are expected to apologize and ask for forgiveness, you tell Ethiopians to congratulate you for your crimes, and you are proud of your achievements. You deny that the problems we see today in Ethiopia is the legacy of your tplf/woyane.
            Let me tell you one thing. If the goal of tplf is the wellbeing of the people of Tigray, let it cooperate with the federal government. If you people believe that Tigrayans feel proud and vindicated only when they rule and they are the masters, believe me you are on the wrong trajectory. Tplf/woyane’s obsession with power, its bravado and its rhetoric that it will stay in the federation only if tplf is the eternal master, doesn’t reflect the interest of the people of Tigray, but that of a small group from Adwa obsessed with power. Do you believe that the zero sum game of political and military confrontation of tplf/woyane will benefit Tigrayans? It shows that tplf never stopped being a guerrilla fighters even when it ruled a country for three decades. It shows that it is disingenuous and deceitful.
            Since it left addis ababa, it had been beating the drum of war. Now it is asking Eritrea to come to its help to pay for tplf’s crimes. Does all the bravado and warmongering amount to save us.
            My friend, it doesn’t take much for a catastrophic war to start. Tplf has many people intoxicated with propaganda. It takes just a spark to start a huge fire that will burn everybody, and benefit the enemies of Ethiopia. Tplf may think that it has nothing to lose, because of its nature. On the contrary, the people’s of Ethiopia and especially, the people of Tigray has a lot to lose. Only fools repeat history. Usually they pay gravely for their mistakes.
            Your guru once said that unless the tplf way, Ethiopia is not meant to be. He hid to his golden people that it included Tigray as well. What a pity.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            Tigreans are proud Ethiopians only when they rule Ethiopia, when they loot Ethiopia, when they borrowed money in the name of the poor country and steal the majority of it.
            Now, they are telling us to praise them day and night for their unmatched nepotism and corruption and untold crimes.

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            The difference is chauvinists are proud Ethiopians only when they are not in power. They write books, they make great interviews, they talk about democracy, they tell others how great Ethiopia has been during their time. However, when they are in power their daily duty is to kill, bomb, rape and let their own people to famine.
            Does it sound familiar?

            Thanks

          • Abi

            Samuel
            The difference is while others remained Ethiopians through thin and thick, you are jumping ship when you lose power. Actually you are aspiring to get on another ship north of the river.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi/ Horizon,

            You may have a point with your accusation and mismanagement of funds but I think, they way the Abiy government is handling is not the right approach. It’s street justice without due process and it will lead to further chaos and further conflict.

            I think the right way this should be done in my opinion is, the government should appoint an independent inquiry and allocate budget to do their work. This body needs to be approved by what ever means the parliament needs to approve and it gets to work. It has full power to call on witness, access to accounts etc..

            Its similar like Mueller was doing investigating Trump and Russia. Then it finds it’s finding and submit the report to the PM office as well as the parliament.

            The objective should be what the price to pay so to move forward the country in the positive direction.

            Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, that’s the sickness all human beings will get infected if they stay in power for far too long.

            Berhe

          • Admassie

            Selam Berhe,

            Again, you have pointed out a right way a genuine government and a wise leader should do if it meant a genuine change to a better future.

            Had Abiy wanted a real change he should have set an independent enquiry body which looks in to CORRUPTION AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE in the country so that the people understand the trurh and we know what has happened and who is accountable for. Instead, he chose to be the አልፋና ኦሜጋ of everything himself and set a known target to accuse that he thinks will get him a big support.

            He propagated against those he accuses as corrupt and abusers while he embraces people who are suspect of the the same corruption and abuse.

            Genuine change can not come through exclusion and selective justice.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Ethiopia is NOT America!
            But you know what is happening here to the expensive Mueller Investigation and Report!
            The US Supreme Court decided to hide the most accurate and damning report by the Dane Mueller on Trump !
            Contrary to your assertion, Dr AAA’s major mistake was for being TOO hectic, naive, Truthful, nice ,innocent, kind and allowing out of control Democracy and Keidi-Albo Freedom of Speech, which hit him back hard!
            The. TPLF, the OLF, the OCP and the likes of the “Terrorist“ Jawar Mohammed used and have taken advantage of Dr AAA’s genuine National Reconciliation and Constructive Rapprochement!
            Dr AAA realized his mistake belatedly

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            Well the Ethiopian judges and investigators do not cost as much as America :).

            We heard accusing the weyane with “billions” of dollars, not even millions but “billions”. If they manage to recover even 10% of that money, they sure can afford, few lawyers.

            My point is not to equate Ethiopia with America. I was trying to say, it would have been better if he had appointed an independent inquiry so that there is no lack of justice.

            And there are no shortage of Ethiopian experts who could have done the job.

            Dawit woldegergis for example, he wrote an article early on and advised Abiy to implement true reconciliation so it paves the way for peaceful transition.

            Look, if Abiy has no problem to be friended with Isayas, you know the guy has no principle that he stands on.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Your last statement is so naive,cheap and laughable!
            A bogus one,in fact.
            There are no permanent friends but interest.
            Dr AAA should befriend himself even with the DEVIL for his interest and for that of his country and people.
            If he did not befriend with PIA, he could not have survived for a day!
            Eritrea’s Business is none of Dr AAA‘s business but it becomes his business ONLY when it interests his business, which he has taken advantage of.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,
            That’s my opinion.

            I don’t have much respect for such leaders. To me, being a leader like PM or president is just a job. And if it’s a job one live, one should not care if stays on the job or he is fired from the job.

            In his case and if he wants to survive, there is no better guarantee that he gets from his own people (people who love and respect for the job he is doing) instead of some small time, women and children abusing dictator who hide himself like a groundhog for months.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Ustaz Berhe:
            I respect your opinion.
            Am talking from practical world business point of view.
            Dr AAA has full respect from and by his people.
            The problem he has is from and thru the opportunists and political acrobats, who lost a big time.
            I admire him for overcoming the serious sabotages and obstacles he has come across from all corners!

            He has an OBLIGATION to take tougher actions against same losers and obstructionists!
            He is the PM of Canada or the USA.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; I was reading Samuel’s list of accomplishments of his criminal thief’s the weyane thugs. What the corrupted Tigryans forget to understand is they fail to ask, okay, this all thing built in Tigray; what about In Gonder? what about in Jima? you see, they don’t care they barge with stolen money and resources. Trust me, it is coming for what they have done. The rapped Ethiopia in day light, once the thugs are buried, then you will hear stories that will knock you out. they are disgraced.

          • Desbele

            Selam Samuel,
            Keep it flow the evidence based argument. I am an Eritrean, whose two sisters and countless relatives and friends passed through Tigray to escape slavery in Eritrea. Ever grateful to the hospitality of the people of Tigray. Admassie has put it the other day ” ከባእድ ጉርሻ የዘመድ ንክሻ ይሻላል. Chauvinists may keep chanting that . We will say
            ዝገበረልካ ወይ ግበረሉ ወይ ንገረሉ.

          • Nitricc

            I am an Eritrean, whose two sisters and countless relatives and friends passed through Tigray to escape slavery

            Finish the job, what are they doing in Tigray? hmmm. I bet you can’t answer the question. stupid. I wonder what they substituted slavery with? you are one stupid Agazian. by the way what happened to your Simmer prestation? You are one stupid creature and shame on you for claiming you are Eritrean. You told us you were born and grow up in Addis and you father was a truck driver, how is it you are an Eritrean? Digital weyane are in desperate.

          • Desbele

            Nitricc:
            They live in FREEDOM! The pfdj army at the border shoot to kill them, while the Ethiopian army shout for direction to their safety! Then the people of Tigray graciously hosted them. I know this makes you nervous. But that is the truth. Bitter truth for your empty pride to swallow.
            I am not Agazian, i am not Simerr, I am Desbele – Eritrean! I believe you are Eritrean too – but zombie. A scoundrel who in vain rant to hide the crime of a dictator under a large flag and empty slogan.
            ይኣክል!! Get it translated by those who send you to litter this forum

          • Nitricc

            Desbele; be a man and be proud of you freaking Tigryan identity. I am Eritrean by foot. You are nothing but 100% Tiryan. I have no idea why Tigryans hide their Identity? Don’t worry the time is up, your TPLF thugs are dead.

          • Samuel

            Selam Desbele,
            Thank you for sharing your story, I hope the misery will end soon. The hospitality is mutual, it is culturally shared. When HS and Derg torture Tigray people Eritrea was our second home.

            Those chauvinists have been lying for 700 years, the main reason why they hate TPLF and Tigray is because their fake history has been exposed by TPLF.

            The most important thing is to understand what they are fighting for. What they are fighting for is not about democracy because it is not their nature (100 years), what they are fighting for is not about development either because its not their nature (100 years), their fight is mainly to reclaim their historical narrative (literally false narrative) that has been dismantled by TPLF.

            If you give them a pass or if you don’t expose them immediately, they will start writing a new “Kibre Negest 2.0” fiction to tell us how great Ethiopia has been during PMAA.

            Thanks,

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Ato Desbele the Amichew!
            But you have conveniently ignored or indirectly ADVOCATED for the SET UP for the PUSH and PULL FACTORS for the Eritreans by the PMMZ and its Gang so that the Eri Youth like your sisters and few of my cousins including the EDF members empty Eritrea by crossing to the filthy Tigrai Camps thereby empty ERITREA .
            There is no need for me to explain to you about the “push and pull” factors besides telling you that am aware of the role of the PFDJ, the very major victim of your TPLF and its Masters and their evil and destructive but FAILED agenda .

            “ We will build camps in Tigrai and drain ERITREA from its most productive Human Resources and its EDF”!
            Courtesy of PMMZ !

          • Abi

            Hello King Sultan
            This is my theory and I hope you agree with me to the most part.
            —Whoever doesn’t mind Eritreans flocking to Tigray is an Agazian.
            —Whoever supports the abuse, corruption and all sorts of crimes committed by Tplf both on Ethiopia and Ethiopians is an Agazian.
            —Whoever appreciates the criminal Getachew Asefa is a devil devoid of humanity. ቀንደኛና ሰይጣናዊ አጋዝያን! 👿
            —Whoever supports the derailment of the peace process between the two countries in order to bring the dead Tplf from a funeral home is a desperate Agazian.
            —Whoever preaches the disintegration of Ethiopia if Tplf is removed from power is an Agazian sympathizer.
            — Whoever is promoting Tplf in every aspect including their crime is an Agazian.

            You can add, remove, modify the list.

          • Selam Abi,
            It is said that eritrean refugees who have absconded from the military are coerced to join a military camp run by pro-tplf eritreans. That is the main reason the ethiopian government is trying to close one of the refugee camps and the eritrean regime has moved its army close to the borders. IA’s last visit to addis ababa maybe seen within that context.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            The whole idea of keeping the refugees in the Tigray camp is to make them desperate enough to sign up for Tplf mission.
            Upon independence they will make them citizens of the Greater Tigray.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi and Horizon,

            Zemene Mesafnt never ended. It was just buried by Menelik, Hailesellasie and Mengistu. TPLF revived it in the form of EPRDF to fill-in the new Menelik’s Ethiopia. The Eritrean formation and ultimately its independence is the new dimension. Unfortunately, there are Eritreans who are nostalgic of Zemene Mesafnt who find comfort in getting subjugated and recruited. The dimensionless ego of the Eritrean leader does not help at all in ending this centuries old Zemen. Instead of placing his site inside his independent country, PIA is playing the super-Mesfin exposing his country to the Mesafnt. When leaders don’t learn from history themselves, it is difficult to blame the petit soldier.

          • David Samson

            Selam Haile,
            “Zemene Mesafnt never ended”

            Absolutely, except I would rather call it “The era of Warlordism”. The new dimension to me is the Cushitic people who are eager to join the fray. They feel that it is now their turn to turn over the “Abyssinian Warlordism” domination. I suspect they will demand—
            at least—the recognition of official language of Afaan Oromigna. Although I am a betting man, this is very tricky to put any money on and thus I would be as a Tifosso— watching how things will be unfolding.

            According to the bookies, all the bets are on the underdog, the Medemer PM, to upset the pundits and reclaim the mantra of Abyssinian Warlordism and back to the era “Zemene Mesafnt never ended”

          • Abi

            Hello ኃይለኛው ጋሼ
            The first thing that came to my mind when I read petit is not a soldier. No Sir! Emmanuel Petit, the greatest midfielder came to my mind.
            David Samson and every person who knows soccer has the highest admiration for this footballing genius. Well, you may call him a soldier on a soccer pitch.

            You wish it is zemene mesafint that is reviving.No Sir! You have to go further back in history to compare what is coming your way. Axum Kingdom! አክሱም ስውረ (?) መንግስት!

            Is it ስውረ መንግሥት or ስርወ መንግሥት? Help me here.

          • Selam Haile S,
            You are right. Ethiopian politicians never came out of the woods of zemene mesafint. That is why they are narrow ethnicists and tribalists. Since Atse Tewodros, we have one mesafint lording ober other mesafints.
            One can say that no power came to solve the problem of the region, but to replace it with a new problem of its own.
            HS was a feudal problem, if I may call this way his rule, MHM, a communist problem and finally tplf and eplf were intoxicated with narrow ethicism and ultra chauvinism, who wanted to replace Amara mesafints and become masters of the region, in the name of justice. That is why today there is no freedom both in eritrea and tigray. These leaders never believed in peace, stability and freedom for their people and for the region as a whole. It is the reason we saw/see too much of a superiority complex and exceptionalism rhetorics, for which they have nothing to show, but for which they committed many crimes.
            Nothing new came with the so called change. Simply it was abissynian-habesha mesafints from the north who moved power away from the center to their region. Some Oromo chauvinists believe their turn has come at last. From the times of Atse Teodros on wards until 2018, what we saw in Ethiopia was Amara and Tigre mesafints ruling Ethiopia, and the whole problem lies on which mesafint should rule the country.
            That in my opinion is what the Ethiopian pm is trying to bring to an end by investing on a united and democratic ethiopia.
            It is not that we are going to zemene mesafint, if you take tplf, it is in zemene mesafint today, when it refuses to recognize the central government, and when it says, more or less, it is an independent state.
            One is tempted to question sometimes if towards the end of the struggle the eritrean war of independence had become part of a combined effort to bring the Tigre mesafints to power in ethiopia. How and why it went wrong between tplf and eplf, only the two know the truth. That is why IA can’t hide his joy whenever he comes to Addis, from where he would have liked to rule the whole region. Tplf spoiled it for him, and this could be the reason he will never forgive them.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            ስውረ or ስርወ፡ ያስኬዳል ሁሉም
            ኣንዱ ወርቅ፡ ሌላው ሰም

            If Axum is to come back, the dreamers of this empire should bring back all the Amhara people to Axumia, because according to the Axum funs, these people migrated south following its defeat by the Zague dynasty.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Haile,

            Amharic is interesting in that Semitic and Cushitic influences are detectable. English is similar in that Latin and Germanic influences are present. Now going back to Axum and its language Geez, the closest extant languages would be Tigre, Tigrigna then Amharic in that order. However if we are speaking about the inheritance of power and influence then clearly the pidgin language that is Amharic and its speakers are Axumites.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS, paulos, Abi and Aligaz G.
            Don’t you see a disturbing trend here: the Habesha should always rule! The tigrayit speakers are just to spice it up:-). It’s reflexive, isn’t it!
            I think it should go back to the original and tolerant rulers who believe in coexistence, not the Agew, but our own blina speakers. if that happens the entire region would flourish and the Habesha will forget their favorite pass-time: waging wars 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            “አልሸሹም ዞር አሉ ይላሉ” አገዎች 🙂
            I wholeheartedly agree with you. Whoever brings us ሰላምና አምባሻ ለዘላለም ይንገስ::
            ቢለኖች አስተዳደራቸው እንደመልካቸው ዘፈናቸውና ዳንሳቸው ካማረ ሁላችንም ቢለኖች ነን::

          • Saleh Johar

            ኣቢ,
            እሱማ እተማመናልሁ:: ኣሁን ኣገዎቹን ኣደራጅልን:: ትንሽ ስብሰባ ሳያስፍልገን ኣይቀርም

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            መሰባሰብማ የግድ ይላል:: ተበታትነን ቀረን እኮ ጌታው::
            አገው ነን ያላችሁ — እስኪ እንያችሁ
            ብሌን ነን ያላችሁ– እስኪ እንያችሁ
            ከረን ነን ያላችሁ — እስኪ እንያችሁ
            ስብሰባ ተጠርቷል እንዳያመልጣችሁ
            ተሰባሰቡና ግዙ በጊዜያችሁ
            እኔን ምን ዶለተኝ ዳቦ ካመጣችሁ
            ለማጣቀሻውም ሰላም ካመጣችሁ
            ዙፋኑን ውረሱ በሉ ይመቻችሁ!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            I was waiting for Hope to come ellllillating :-). Well let me say this then. If a non-Habesha comes to power, I am sure the Habesha will count generation to find a drop of blood to say, he/she is Habesha, nonetheless.
            A Moslem Habesha like you, would have been better, even then they will find ways to somehow christianize him or her.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Prof Haile S.
            Trying to avoid conflict of interest and let history and His Excellency judge on that.
            Sem Andom and SGJ excluded me from that club due to my allegedly “confusing and confused”status and my alleged “Belligerent and Contrarian”behavior, which are absolutely UN-Kerenian!!
            I agree partially!

            Your Mokhsi , Haile TG ,said it all confidently declaring that “…if Deki Keren like SGJ were to rule Eritrea, we would not be where we are”!
            This is not to belittle other Eritreans but only to express the typo Eritrean Representative status of Keren…
            Ustaz and Artist AlAmin sang a well deserved song for Keren as a typical and original Eritrean Rep region/city!
            “ Keren, Keren Wo Keren… Ad Meshakinta Islemayu Wo Kistenayu Misul lenebir Ib hiber!
            Please post that song if U can this weekend!

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Hope,

            I agree. And here is a beautiful song on Keren. Not sure if it is the one you mentioned. I have yet to learn my tigrayt.
            https://youtu.be/kAyL7DVhEpo

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Leave my friend Hope Aline, don’t steer it 🙂
            On my Habesha identity, the comment below by Simeon is exhibit # 192,365.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh,
            I can guess where you are coming from. ወይ ግበረሎም ወይ ንገረሎም is the lead phrase here. Your mind flew back to Keren, their ( the Blen folks). Who among Eritreans does’nt remember it by the endearing folk prefix to it: ከረን ጻዕዳ. It is a place where everyone was welcome – a city of humour and easy going. If I miss guessed, please forgive.

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes Ismail,
            Though the Blun and Mensaa are exemplary groups, the secrete is in Mai Daari. Sometimes I feel we should bottle and distribute it to all, like nay dgam or nay quraan:-)

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Saleh,

            Here is a list of our leaders since HSI:

            Aman Andom Eritrean (Hamasein)
            Teferi Benti Oromo (Shewa)
            Mengistu ?
            Meles Tigrean
            Hailemariam Wolaita
            Abiy Oromo (jimma)

            Here is a list of your leaders since HSI

            Isaias Eritrean (Tembien)

            And so the final score is 3:3 assuming Menguistu remains unclaimed

          • Abi

            Hello Aligaz
            The final and the most important score is
            ትግሬ ቡድን 3
            ጋንታ አምሀሩ 0
            We need to talk:)
            ተዋሪድና!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Seriesly…Aman Andom stayed for 2 months…does it really count?

            Eritrea – 0.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            I was expecting you of all people to grasp the real score. But guess who catches all the flack even when Tembien declares war on Adwa? LOL

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            Tembien declares war on Adwa?
            አርማጌዶን ደርሷል አትለኝም እንዴ?
            ምእመናን ጥጋችሁን ያዙ!
            You and I will be on the flanks:)

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aligaz G,

            On a serious note though, if I may, why do you think no one, as far as I know, cared to trace the origin of Mengistu Hailemariam (even the latter is said he had not been his biological father), knowing the psyche of the Habesha had been very much fixated to the sensitivity of racial origin when it came to power and rulers?

          • Samuel

            Selam Ismail AA,
            Let me chime in, based on his younger brother Dr Colonel Tilahun Hailemariam interview both his father and mother are from Oromia (Shewa Oromo).

            Short interview :
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJEmmeECYME

            Extended interview :
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYvsp9PqJpk

            Just FYI:
            Tewodros II: Father Tigray, Mother Agew-Kimant
            Menelik: Father Shewa Amhara, Mother Oromo
            Haile Silasie: Father Oromo and Amhara, Mother Oromo and Gurage
            Mengistu Hailemariam: Father Oromo, Mother Oromo

            There is misconception that Menelik, HS and MH are assumed from Amhara lineage, but the truth is far from it. The question could be asked why do some Ethiopians associate those rulers with Amhara? In my opinion there are two plausible reasons:
            1. The rulers were using Amharic as their official language, thus it was assumed they were from Amhara ethic group (political reason). It is true that those rulers has forced different ethnic groups to speak Amharic to create homogeneous society called Ethiopian/ኢትዮጵያዊ. They have used both forced assimilation and systemic (Church, education and court system), that is how the national oppression has born.
            2. Blame Amhara elites themselves. They claim them as their own. They defend them more than any other ethnic group in Ethiopia. For example when you talk wrongdoings of Menelik, HS, and MH the Amhara elites will be the one who defend them. However, you don’t see them defending MZ or Hailemariam.

            If those rulers had used Oromiffa as their official language, you would have seen Amhara elites opposing those rulers and Oromo elites defending them. We could have seen ALF instead of OLF.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            You won’t be bothered to write all these zibazinke the moment you declare independence.
            Eritreans are celebrating their 29th independence. You can catch up on them if you start celebrating your independence right now. Just celebrate twice a year. Boom! Before you know it you will be as old as Eritrea. ደብል መምታት እንደሚባለው …

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            Little correction, 1. Mengestu hialmarim mother is not oromo, she is amhara.
            2, tewodros father is gojam agew(agew awe), not tigra, hell no.
            but all of them except meles believe they r ethiopians and they r ethiopians.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Samuel and Aligaz,

            Appreciate both for their time. Concerning my curiosity-driven question to my brother Aligaz, I was not looking for reading anybody’s heart or color. Having said that, however, I would go for the nature and passionate ego of a person for what he/she thinks and does rather than association or calibration of skin pigment with pulse of the heart.

            Furthermore, while appreciating Samuel’s input, I thought (or dare write) that my reading of Ethiopian history – ancient or modern – as student in the framework of claim to power had less to do with language, and much to do with religiously sanctified primogeniture in the sense of succession to the throne.

            At least, since the so called era of restoration (mark the word restoration) which annals cite as 1270, any claim to power got acceptance among ordinary subjects only conquest as prelude followed blessing by the clergy under auspices of an occupant of the time of the high office conferring legitimacy in accordance to the scriptures linking the ascendant monarch to the house of king Solomon and the Holy land subsequent to the claimant ‘s subdual of competitors. Remember, Emperor Tewodros II was referred to early in his life as “ye kosso sheyaT lij”.

            Here, thus, language was simply a requirement circumstance of the time imposed, the point being that after the Agew (Zaguwe) era the center of power had increasingly shifted to the south driven need of resources and preservation of faith and power. With passage of time, thus, Amharic as language of the common people became medium of communication for both the monarch and the clergy when the ancient language of the church (Geez) died.

            As passing remark, I should perhaps add that linking former monarchs or rulers became bolder among the Amhara elites after the fall of the monarch in 1974, and power relations changed, in which politics of demographics and ethnicity took a kind of center stage.

          • Aligaz G

            Ismail,

            Sometimes the color of the heart matches the face. But let me ask you if you had to rank between Menge, The God of Sahel and the Midget of Adwa who would come out with the blackest heart?

          • Saleh Johar

            AligazG
            You didn’t need to fight that. I know and I admit defeat on that. But was that about the issue you are explaining? Maybe we are on different debate!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            Do you still consider yourself to be Habesha?

            Do you think the Habesha are more war-like [with invading cultures] compared to the Arabs, Mongols, Romans and Germanic tribes [Goths, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Franks, Lombards, Saxons, Angles, Vikings including Normans]?

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            If you are claiming to be Habesha you need a certificate from moi:-). Your question exposes your mentality asking if I am STILL Habesha! Have I been anything else? It’s like the color of your eyes, you can’t change it. You can’t ask someone I are your eyes still blue? I am amazed.

            On the warlike behavior, you know all the members of the club. They are the same. But I have a Mongolian neighbor who never mentioned Genghiz khan, for example. And he never said he wants to fight Khazakhistan for example. The Arabs? I said many times they are the twins of Habesha, but not all Arabs, you know our twins when it comes to arrogance and belligerence. Cheers

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            All those prolific invaders I listed above are aggressive with a huge appetite for land. The Arabs are unique in that they want your land and also want to control your mind.

            On the other hand, when the Habesha venture into some contested territory, it is for defensive purposes to protect their flanks from being invaded.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Simon,

            Habesha leaders (Rases, Dejazmaches etc) never had the courage and ability to invade other civilizations beyond the territories surrounding them (Galla, Shanqella, Barya, Taltal, etc) where they use to venture to practice killing and hunt for slaves. Their courage was limited to killing each other, show local superiority and supremacy over what they call “their blood and brothers” (ኣነ እኮ የሕመቐካ፡ ይመልከካ እየ, kind of thing). Nathanael Pearce* recounts hearing frequently Ras Wolde-Sellasie saying he wished for war, but could find no one to give him occasion to quarrel. This was in 1815, at the age of ~79 when he was in peace after going through some 40 wars and skirmishes.
            This supremacy minded life of the Rases kept the region in quasi permanent poverty, even now at a time of civilization as we know it. If Habesha had the ambition of going farther invading others like those you listed, so to speak, they would have forgotten killing each-other.

            * Nathaniel Pearce (British) spent many years in Abyssinia during the reign of Ras Wolde Selassie of Tigray

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Haile S.,

            The argument started when Saleh G. asserted that war is a Habesha past time or hobby.

            I countered by saying that there were in fact other more prolific and notorious invaders on the World stage compared to which Habesha activity is insignificant and defensive.

            But now, you are telling me that the Habesha Rases and Degiats should have invaded far and wide killing more to end up liberal and sober. This is a strange logic.

            PS. The Galla [now called Oromo] are invaders themselves. Their true homeland is North Kenya.

          • Haile S.

            Simon,

            I don’t think what Saleh said (…Habesha would forget their favorite pass-time: waging wars :-)) and what I said are in divergence. My response was to the contrast you were trying to make by saying that the Arabs and the other big civilizations you listed were expansionists while Habesha were just defending themselves. I said, Habesha were acting like a bad husband throwing his external anger and frustration on his wife and house and by way of teaching his children the same weakness perpetuating a debilitating culture. Habesha have been killing each other until now with the only objective of supremacy over their ‘kins’ and invading the immediate neighbors for slavery and practicing killing. The “fratricide” goes on even now, BTW. Then I proceeded saying, comparatively, it would have been better if they had the ambition to expand and develop civilization that left something for humanity like some of the other ambitious civilizations left. No one expects Habesha to be Apostles whose defense are the Gospels. But their arms were always pointing at each other than being used for other ambitions.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Haile S.,

            The discussion is becoming too diversionary and getting entangled.

            You said: ” the Arabs and the other big civilizations you listed…”

            Not all in my list were big civilizations, other than Rome and Persia. Definitely not the medieval Germanic tribes, the Mongols before coming out of Mongolia, and the Arabs before bursting out of Arabia.

          • Haile S.

            Simon,
            You are creating the diversion by peeling off layers of the discussion by saying “before coming out Mongolia or Arabia”. In your original comment to Saleh, you said:

            “Do you think the Habesha are more war-like [with invading cultures] compared to the Arabs, Mongols, Romans, Persians, and Germanic tribes [Goths, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Franks, Lombards, Saxons, Angles, Alemannis, Scandinavian Vikings including the Normans]?”

            The discussion was about invasion. The war-like civilizations you listed came out of their land and left their mark as we know it now. The Habesha was also war-like, but within itself; finishing itself, cutting its legs, hands and blinding its eyes, without showing any bigger ambition or leaving anything remarkable to be seen. The Habesha warlord culture was/is a perfect killing machine of its own, hence my remarks.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Haile S.,

            There is no such thing called a war-like civilization. There seems to be some confusion.

            Your view of the Habesha is too simplistic.

          • Haile S.

            Simon,
            “War-like” comes from you, not mine.
            May be your understanding of the simple Habesha life is complicated.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Haile S.,

            I have to be blunt here.

            Since you do not have a clue about this topic, you better stick to what you do best: stay firmly on the chorus line and cheer Saleh G.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            A little correction. It was not Arabia but what’s called the Arab civilization is actually from Baghdad which was part of Persia. And that civilization was the Muslim civilization not an Aran civilization as wrongly called. Indeed, everything that doesn’t involve critical impartial reading of history is divisionary and there lies the core of our tragic state of being.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            My assertion is that, before the Arabs came out of Arabia to invade countries and spread Islam, they did not have something you could call a civilization which is on a par with the Romans and Persians.

            Did they have a fully developed Arabic alphabet? Did they have a library? Did they have sophisticated Mathematics?

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            Yes. i detest many things the, for instance, the Abassyds did. but in education, and the spread of knowledge, they had no match at that time. They attracted all educated people from different regions, Jewish, christian and other monks (learning was a monastic exercise then), and created the biggest library ever in their time. They translated all the knowledge of ancient times, Greek and others, and they filled the gap between savage Europe and Greek civilization. Europeans depended on many translations of the Abbasyds to kick start their renaissance. In addition, only the blind hearted can deny their contribution in mathematics, astrology, geography, medicine and others. Avicenna (Ibn Sina–from Sinai) and Averross (Ibn Rushd) are the product of that age. Then no simple people can expand from china to southern Europe and stay for centuries. So, in comparison with others, the muslim civilization doesn’t explain the current sorry situation of Muslims.

            Yes they had and the scripts developed like all other Semitic scripts. but before that, they used Sabean (Musnad) alphabets. But whether a culture has its own script is not as significant as whether there was enough knowledge in the culture. And as you attested, Persia and Mesopotamia–and Syria are the mothers of civilization and they were part of that civilization. they didn’t she their knowledge base when they embraced islam as many believe. That’s because many nations develop using foreign languages and texts while some claim to have their own script and language but have nothing to show for it–not widely circulated and read books, at least. no architecture or inventions that much their claim. Take Egypt for example, they have the oldest civilization but they cannot claim that ancient civilization of the Pharaohs and believe they are the most civilized people at this time because they are not. the same applies to all of humanity.

            tHe gist; we cannot judge civilization by looking at it through our political lenses and traditionally held prejudices and surface studies and biases. if we do that, there is a wide room for understanding different aspects of history in a neutral way.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            You seem to be engaged in Straw Man argument.

            I am talking about the time period before the Arabs came out of Arabia to invade countries and spread Islam. But on the other hand, you are talking about much later time periods.

            Did they have a fully developed Arabic alphabet? Did they have written history [not just oral]? Did they build any physical structure as a mark of their civilization? Did they have a library? Did they have sophisticated Mathematics?

            By the way, is there anything at all about the Habesha that makes you feel proud?

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,

            1. Okay, now I know the answer you are looking for: no Arab, Latin or any other script existed before Geez that came out of the womb of some women as “a revered” linguist explained.

            2. By the way, I feel proud of being Habesha because they invented the penicillin, computer science, mathematics, and the COVID 19 virus and a vaccination against it. And when i am in a bad mood, i admire St. Yared. But when i am in a good mood, so much to admire and be proud of, since the time the so-called Solomonic lineage claimant kings took over.

            3. I am also proud of the Habesha style of debating like yours because it shows we are not weaklings who would accept any opposing idea–we have to win even by being belligerent were there is no need to be, just to show how resolute we are. Exhibit; your belligerence against HaileS!

            Sorry Simon, but I am done debating with you, the vicious circle gave me a headache

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            You need to identify Arabs and their current and historical geography. today Arabs reside from the Western tip of Morocco to the shores of Iran. This parts have different histories and identifying which geographical area you mean is important. I have been to almost all of them (except Algeria and Tunisia) and I cannot group their history and prehistoric situation with a big brush. they are different and have different histories and experiences. but from your arguments, I can surmise you have the saudis in mind whenever you mention Arabs. and that i tried to solve for you. The conservative Saudis and Habesha are identical in their behavior. Prove me wrong and leave religion out of it.

          • Saleh Johar

            simon,
            As intelligent as you appear to me, you fail to see your own folly. You just could not see the world except in islam vs christianity dichotomy. And i can confidently tell you, there is no difference between the Arab and Habesha conservatives–they are both brutes, preach reactionary traditions and are proud of it, and they both advance their backward traditions under the cover of religion.

            since this will be the last time I will engage you on this issue, please accept my final and binding positions.

            1. You should realize that racism is not fine with one race and bad when applied to another. Racism against any race is just pure evil, even against the Arabs though you believe it’s fine.
            2. The effect of religion on people is the same (you call it mind control, though it’s called faith).
            3. Neither Mohammed nor Jesus were Habesha so you need to recalibrate on that one–so, neither is more indigenous than the other.
            4. Your comments on such issues reeks of bigotry against your Muslim compatriots. unfortunately, that is incurable.

            NB: for fair comparison, prophet mohammed had a Habesha wet nurse, so, he grew up feeding on Habesha milk. could be more Habesha than you 😉

            good bye, not interested in such racism and bigotry

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            Our esteemed host have several blind spots in his vision. No doubt he is well read and has a strong view on a lot of things. I have respect for him. Most of the time he is reasonable but at times he loses his cool and becomes defensive. You should have heard him recite the Arabic version of the old Ahmed Gragn rampage in the Ethiopian highlands. The churches destroyed, the clergy executed, and all the carnage was presented as a justifiable heroic war by him.
            It is kind of I presenting Mengistu Hailemariam and PIA and their heroic march to change society to the good. They have their own version, you know.
            Earlier on this thread he mused that Blina speakers should rule instead of war mongers Habeshas in our region. I have heard of minority rights as a concept but never minority rule. It is a new one. Religion was and is the mysterious virus that has turned brother against brother in our region and cannot be dismissed.

            As a Habesha himself, he has disdain and general view that all our history of self preservation to be bad and condemned.
            You try to point out the fallacy of his ways as one Habesha to another he brings in the new learned terms of racist, bigot and all the salty words to shut you up. We cannot accept that.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hello Mr Kim
            The Bilen turn to rule presented by SGJ is just a joke. Looks like you took it seriously.
            Seriously!

          • Saleh Johar

            hello Kim,
            Sorry if you are offended, you are not my target. I apologize.

            Could you refresh my mind about this “heard him recite the Arabic version of the old Ahmed Gragn rampage in the Ethiopian highlands.” don’t forget the Arabic part, please.

            For your information, i am interested in Gragn as much as i am interested in Yekuno Amlak or other brute king oif the time–sorry, though i umderstand the context of the time, for me they were all that. My objection with Habesha intellectuals is they present Gragn as a cruel man while they present his rivals as angels who protected this or that…. I am differing here and saying it was your civil war led by two brutal leaders and please stop treating is like Gragn invaded place unprovoked. The brutal kings also invaded other parts of the region and he had a revenge to sort out, like all of them kings. in short, treat Gragn as a historical figure and not as a foreigner. that is all.

            Sorry again

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            Thank you for your measured, in fact disarming post. I learned few days ago that you are not wearing your gloves anymore. So I was pleasantly surprised.
            About history, if you go back more than a couple of hundred years, I am safe to assume all leaders were brute. Is it Henry the IIX that was cutting heads of his disfavored wives?

            Your direct question will be answered directly. Hopefully it will not lead to a different fork on the road.

            When I said “Arabic” version, I was attempting to not be over aggressive by saying the “Muslim” version. I can only assume you read your history from Muslim scholars to recite to us. Hopefully it is also a satisfactory answer.

            Mr. K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kim,
            Thank you but the glove is alway close by 🙂
            You testified that Arabic is a license t
            I bash at Muslims. I know that and that’s why when I see A R A B I C, I read it Muslims just like what it’s supposed to meant. At
            least you confirmed that to me. You should understand how frustrating it is when half your compatriots are insulted that way.

            I don’t know what the your references are but I know most bigots refer to extremist clerical sermons, it’s the nature of extremists, all religions. Thanks to God, my references are varied, Amharic, Arabic, English, etc. also folktales and mythologies. You can’t accuse me of that Kim.

            To me, it’s very frustrating when seemingly intelligent people behave like country pumpkins and base their findings on traditional hypocritical narrations. No critical thinking at all.

            On Gragn and Yokuno Amlal, let me give you my two favorite references, one in Amharic (Embaqom) and the other English (Arebi Fewih, a translation from Arabic by Pankhurst I guess). Each book absolves it’s favorite one either Gragn or his rival. Add to that the tons of other references at you arrive where I have. To me it was a civil war among brutal kings and princes and it should be narrated as such. Thank you again

          • Desbele

            Selam Sultan,
            Pull factor ( Open arms)
            “ We will build camps in Tigrai and drain ERITREA from its most productive Human Resources and its EDF”!
            Courtesy of PMMZ !
            Push factor (twisting arms)
            “Let them go where water is. They are redundant garbage. They belong to one region. America is built by slave labor. So will be Eritrea. Education in Eritrea is wastage. Shoot to kill anyone dare to cross border. ….,” Courtesy of DIA

            Sultan, the push is nasty,deadly and cruel.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Desbele.. You clearly have potential to earn your online PhD from Mekelle University in less than 6-months. Please seek guidance in this regard from Woyane laureates Paulos and Samuel. You can book an appointment with them through their secretary Aligaz G. Good luck!

          • Samuel

            Selam Mokie Berhe,
            The key words in your statement are “Online” and “University”. Those two things doesn’t exist inside your PFDJ Eritrea. They require education policy, high speed internet infrastructure and freedom to access the internet. Thus, Thank you for referring him to TPLF’s Tigray.

            Thanks,

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Desbele. Really surprised that Ismail AA is not asking you for references to support your ‘Push factor’. After all, we are all here to learn. Yeah buddy.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Sam:
            Can CC to teddy the lost soul chauvinist?

          • Samuel

            Selam Sultan,
            ሓደ ምስላ ክነግረካ “ሓድገጆ ያ ሓድገጆ ይብላ መቐለ” ይብሃል።
            ኣብ መቐለ 16 ቀበሌ ወይዘሮ ስላስ ዝባሃላ ሓደ ዓሻ(ሃሳስ) ወደን ነይርወን ይባሃል።
            ናይ ዓመት ፀበል ፀሚቖን ኪድ መንደር ፀበል ፃዲቕ ጠዓሙ ኢልካ ፀውዕ ይብለኦ — ነቲ ዓሻ ወደን።
            ንሱ ድማ እሺ ኢሉ ኸይዱ ክፅውዕ ውዒሉ ምሸት ተመሊሱ፣
            ኣዲኡ ብጣዕሚ ተናዲደን ኣበይ ድኣ ዊዕልካ ይብለኦ?
            ንሱ ድማ ይፅውዕ ዊዕለ ይብለን።
            ንሰን ድማ ተናዲደን መንደር ክትፅውዕ ሙሉእ መዓልቲ ከመይ ኢሉ ይውደአልካ ይብለኦ፣
            ንሱ ድማ መሊሱ ዋእ 16 ቀበሌ ኹሉ እየ ፀዊዐዮ ይብለን።
            ወይዘሮ ስላስ ገሪምወን በል ኪድ ተመሊስካ “ሓድገጆ ያ ሓድገጆ” በሎም ይብለኦ።
            ንሱ ድማ ተመሊሱ ንሕድሕድ ገዛ እንዳንካሕኮሐ “ኣደዋይ ሲ ሓድገጆ ያ ሓድገጆ” ኢላትኩም በለ ይብሃል።

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            Sadly, You spent time and energy writing this thing instead of packing your belongings. Now, repeat what you kindly did for Ethiopia for Tigray and Tigray only.
            Thanks for your undeserved kindness. You have been a God sent from the heavens. Now that you have shown us how to do things the right way, it is time for you step aside from the theater.

          • Abi

            Hello Admassie
            I have heard what you just said above from tplf አፈቀላጤዎች that Ethiopia will disintegrate without Tigray at the helm. The belittling of other Ethiopians is continually modifying with the same core massage. You have conveniently forgot to mention the role of Tplf in the derailment of the change.
            ኧረ በስመአብ በሉ!

          • Kaddis

            Selam Abi –

            Can you let us know what are the “Changes” outlined? Or are we supposed to go with the Mengistu style “Abiyotu” “Lewtu” without knowing what is in the basket. Does the “change” anticipated Isiais with this level of involvement, dissolving EPRDF ( not that I care) the gulf money, complicated Nile file, Hailemariam, Abadula, becoming irreplaceable, 15 Addis Ababa vanity projects, postponing election, unconstitutional interpretation of the house of federation ? …If we get the list for the change – road-map if possible – we would know who is screwing the plan.

          • Teodros Alem

            ksheger
            The change that 3A brought , 1, as u know ethiopian peoples have a lot of political, economical and social questions that has been asked for the last 27 years with no answer and this change brought a chance to answer those questions by get rid of the obstacle.
            2, those that has been seen as enemy(real or perceived) of ethiopia is no longer part of the government in ethiopia.
            3, the ethiopian peoples r hoping this change will answer thier social, economic and political question step by step with out destabilizing the country and with win win approach.
            4, don’t ask this kind of questions to tella abi, he himself is tplf’s modern time ” aba geberhana”, he is aba geberhana of tplf on social media.

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

            ምን ቢገደኝ ጌታው እላለሁ እንጂ በስመአብ
            ለመቸ ብየው ሃቁን አንገቴ ላይ ያለው ማተብ
            እርሱን ይዤ እላለሁ እላለሁ እንጂ ደጋግሜ
            ደግሞስ እርሶዎ አዘውኝ ልቆም ኖሯል እንዴ ተለጉሜ፡፡

            Selam Abi,
            I did not imply that Ethiopia will disintegrate unless Tigray comes at the helm. No…No…No. That is the usual conclusions what people against TPLF are always hear saying when Abiy is being criticized.

            But, Ethiopia will be in a danger of disintegrating:
            1. If we enter in to a civil war.
            2. By any remote chance, if Tigray is to go independent. This is not because Tigray is unique and exception to Ethiopia. But because it is a grave bad precedence to other regional states especially to those who historically were feeling marginalized.
            3. For the time being there are no other regional states on a suspect. But similarly if any of them wants to go independent, again, it would be a grave bad precedence to others.

            TPLF has made tremendous mistakes in the past and it makes now and it will going to make in the future.
            But it is making mistakes, not because it hates its own country, history and heritage. It makes mistakes like anyone else because:
            1. It is a party of human beings like any party.
            2. It is a party like any party in a poor and a struggling developing country, which is thousands of kilometers away from the ideal world of democracy.

            I am against to those who believe they are more Ethiopian than the people of Tigray and TPLF.

            ይኸው ነው ጌታው፡፡

          • Teodros Alem

            admasse
            1, even though the ethiopian peoples don’t have the regular armed forces , already they entered in some kind of civil war with u group.
            2,read article 39, it is written by tplf like 26 years ago, when 3A was less than 18 years old.
            3, let the other peoples of ethiopia talk about themselves.
            4, if we take history into consideration, tigrai and other ethiopians can’t live in one country, this problem was there even before tplf, tplf is the outcome of the tigrai people mentality.
            but since u make a living out of cheap talk and since u r like “gare feres” who don’t see right and left, u can’t understand it and can’t see it.

          • Abi

            ልጅአድማሴ
            እንደገና ሞክር!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Admassie:

            I think you have conveniently ignored the destructive role of the TPLF since 1991 and the impacts of its outlawed and destructive policies of ethnic based divisive politics and marginalization of the stakeholders socio-economico-politically and culturally on Ethiopia and Ethiopians in particular and the destructive foreign policies in the Horn in general!

            No one has denied the infrastructure the TPLF initiated but Ethiopians are expressing concerns about the close to 30 yrs old sophisticated mis-governance leading to the current mess .

            Worse, the covert and overt sabotage including declaration of war on the Dr AAA government and against the policy of peace and reconciliation at the domestic and regional level is what people are lamenting about.
            It has been the TPLF, which has remained the obstacle to the change since it lost power .
            Rather than complying with the Intl Laws and Norms as well as with the Ethiopian Federal Govts decrees and decisions and joining the peace process, it rather defied against those noble causes and insisted to work against the Laws and norms and against the Peace process.

            This is NOT to mention the crimes against humanity it committed against Eritrea and Eritreans and Somalia and the Somalis using Ethiopia, Ethiopians and its Western Masters and Sponsors as a leverage.
            And to sympathize with such a criminal junta and support it is but confirming to be your partnership in crime with this criminal junta.

            Since that is the case, I wonder what you expect what the victims should do or should have done to defend themselves .

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            Zigzag = ur trade mark= ur known heart, u said” no one has denied the infrastructure the tplf initiated” no sir, tplf were the main looter of those infrastructure money, ethiopians taxe players and loan money that ethiopia and people’s of ethiopia has to pay.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Teddy:
            U need to complete a basic ESL Class before you respond to my comments.
            I posted and argued factually how the TPLF stole and embezzled close to $35 billion within 20 yrs.
            I also argued and posted case by case as to how the corrupt TPLF corruptly monopolized and abused every sector of the economy, security, military, intelligence , infrastructure , the police , and so including every kiosk in major Cities .
            But on the same token, the TPLF also initiated and even built and improved the construction, transportation and energy sectors including the big Dams and roads!
            These are facts no one can forfeit!
            Swallow the bitter truth that despite of its corruption and evil agenda on Ethiopia and Ethiopians,the TPLF achieved in 20 yrs what the other corrupted successive Ethiopian regimes could not do in 60 yrs!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            It is not about my english, it is about how u zigzag heart tigrai trying to play with words.
            building dam idea with in ethiopia way way before tplf, and was delayed because of mainly war.
            i mean u people r stup , how could u believe tplf loves and build other part of ethiopia morethan it’s own people and it’s own constituency? be proud for what u have , by urself, by ur own means. It looks like u guys losing hope on tigrai,

  • Nitricc

    One patient has recovered fully after standard tests at the National Laboratory and was released from hospital today.
    This result means that all 39 confirmed cases in the country to-date have recovered fully.
    But as underlined last week, this important milestone should not induce complacency at this point in time.
    Indeed, it is vital that every citizen continue to fully adhere to, and diligently implement, the GOE Guidelines in force until the ongoing task of detailed and comprehensive assessment to gauge the spread of the pandemic in the entire country with full certainty is accomplished.
    Ministry of Health
    Asmara
    15 May 2020

    What a people? what a country? Thank you the people and government of Eritrea. Amazing!

    • A.Osman

      Good news. Hopefully the lockdown is now relaxed and our people are allowed to resume their normal life.

      • Nitricc

        Hey A,Osman; I agree; they should relax the lock down but I have nothing but respect how the handle the crises.They handled it the tough way but the only can be avoided. You are the only one to express and share the good news, thank you. What gets me is why not compliment the people and the government when they did good thing. but Eritrean oppositions only look for bad news and negativity. There were a gropes of Eritrean professionals and doctors they predict that the death of in thousands in Eritrea. Now, say to them go jump in the lake, losers.
        All I can say is AWATE EGILE GEBIL, or as they say, Awat N’hafash is on order. I am very happy. it was tough but they did it.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          Please don’t interpret negativity if people didn’t react. I had seen a couple of things that impressed me.

          1) the interview of Dr. Negasi he had with in a program called “discussion with doctors” or something. Not only the doctor had spoken and explained it well, but I was more impressed b the callers to the show and the quality and understanding of the people who were calling from far and remote places in Eritrea. It really felt like I was listening a talk radio show on Sunday (not the American style).

          2) the campaign using comedy (wedi Shuq) and the catchy and nice song, in case you didn’t hear it, find the link. Yonas Minus is brilliant, it has over a million hits already a month ago than a month.
          https://youtu.be/QAItINcy7Fw

          I think the government acted quickly and swiftly, which I think it deserve credit. There is a clip in the movie where the number of death were 6K and total infected was 150. I think they acted really well.

          Let me say something so it can irritate you. I think because IA was hiding and playing game with weyane, he didn’t have time to mess things up. It’s left to the experts and they dit it well, if it was him, I think we would have a disaster :).

          By the way, Saleh Gadi is we the first to give them advice to lockdown and it’s good they took his advice.

          I am glad things turned out good, and the people managed. In a way I think we have experience, because we are always under PFDJ lockdown anyway.

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hey Berhe; I was lisiting to this woman and I couldn’t agree with her. She seems talking about Eritrea.
            https://twitter.com/i/status/1261353990857437184

          • A.Osman

            Selam Berhe,

            I have been watching the clips by Yonas Minus (Wedi Shuq)….I guess he is now the start after Suzinino left…the trio kef allowom (don’t talk about hits….itom hasadat reEsom kayzorom). Quite impressed with the quality of the production and with increasing use of drone video, we now get to see Asmara with a birds eye view.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi A. Osman,

            I don’t watch Eritrean shows on regular basis but based on I find time and what’s recommended. I first watched Maynas on his commedy show “dehan kuni kalselayo” and I really enjoyed that show.

            https://youtu.be/ADcjuAz86Zw

            I was never a fan of Suzinino, I find his jokes aren’t authentic. He tried to be hagereseb but he truely is asmarino, and it’s very hard to be. The same way it’s very hard to be asmarino if one is hagereseb, it’s just two different style of talk, body language, action etc.

            When I watched the wedi shuq about Corona virus, I was totally lost why he was talking like that to the store owner. Later I started watching the wedi shuq series and I know why he was acting like that.

            Like you said the production quality is really great, that’s first thing my daughter commented and she was quite impressed.

            As to the song, here he is talking about the song and why he come up with is and the particiption of the population and how many people from around the world are using the song to send their best wishes.

            https://youtu.be/APy2p8HVVrQ

            It is like the happy song of Eritrean version and I think, this is a true message that we need to send to those “agazian ekab mkab” that we are united as one people no matter one.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            You sound that u have no clue about the Eritrean people’s spirit, resolve and history in general; and that of the EPLF in particular.
            FYI:
            The EPLF did well both in the public health arena and Tertiary Medical Care while it was in the bushes.
            The success story in the current public health field is the outcome of the old days of achievement.

            The Ethiopian Medical Interns and their Supervisors testified how much and how far the Eritrean Health Workers could achieve if they get the opportunity !

            Eritrea was ahead of the schedule to be the Medical Tourism hub of Africa by 2012 had it not been the WeyAne’s interference in our affairs .
            If you are specifically targeting PIA, who interfered and destroyed the fast moving Medical Infrastructure, which sounds to be your case,I agree with you.
            I toldvreirstedly that it was PIA, who blocked the building of the best Catholic Univ in Africa in the heart of Asmera in 1995!
            It was/ is the same PIA, who blocked the successful development of the The Post-Grad School of Medicine and Surgery through the relentless efforts of Professors Haile Debas and Haile Mezghebe along with help of some of the best USA Medical Schools and Universities!
            Both Professors were chased out in a humiliating way !
            The PFDJ blamed the USA institutions for lack of commitment and financing the Programs.
            If that was your message in blaming partially the GoE, am with you even though I disagree with your notion that the success is/was coz PIA was not part of it or the already existing lock down helped the COVID-19 pandemic, unless you were being sarcastic!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I am quite aware about Eritrean people resolve. I was reinforcing the message. What gave the impression that I had no idea. Aboy Fikadu, Mr. I know it all.

            I was not kidding when I said, because IA was not part of this thing, it had become a lot more successful. Like everything else he would have messed things up.

            I was partially kicking but partially series about the experience of being kicked down all the time. It’s true that people got use to survive with little things and they can forgo what’s seems essential in other parts of the world, people can survive in Eritrea without it.

            I know the story of the doctors you mentioned. In fact Dr. Haile Debas who was dean of medicin in university in California was at the time, when he went part of the G-13, he told IA that he could resign from his post and focus in Eritrea education and healthcare, the two areas that he has expertise.

            At the time, as a public record, his salary was 450,000 US annually and he was going to work in Eritrea for nothing to help elevate healthcare and education.

            There are many Eritreans in EPLF who deserve all the credit but IA is not one of them.

            As a leader when the country was in lockdown, he was apparently playing hide and sick with Weyane (If what’s being told about the 20 million dollars is true) and he gave no words of comfort, announce support package for weeks before he showed up.

            Now is 20 million dollars is that important, when the whole country needs leadership the most.

            And it’s totally irresponsible and very risky business that he chose to travel to Ethiopia in times of lockdown. The message both leaders send (by not living as example) is not a wise decision. What was his business that it can’t wait or can’t be done over the phone.

            He us a leader and security threat are expected and important thing is, if it happened it was foiled. End of story, yes body Even should now about it.

            So should we suppose to praise this type of leadership.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            I lost you . Am sorry.
            I have no clue about the $20 million the TPLF spent to topple PIA and Dr AAA the Ethiopian Media is talking about .
            But am sure that the TPLF will leave no stone unturned to do so based on the recent history of spending close to $4 billion to destroy ERITREA and Eritrean in only two yrs, from 1998-2000!

            There is one fact you have to admit and swallow in politics and power struggle:
            That Leaders and specially Dictators will do everything at their disposal to stay in power.
            Look at the USA as we speak.
            POA and Dr AAA have every right to defend themselves by any means possible.
            Let us say the TPLF succeeded in assassinating both leaders successfully .
            Then what is next, specially in Eritra without plan B in place when the TPLF is hungry to take over Eritrea??
            Since when did I claim that “I know it all”?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            We don’t have all the facts so we are talking about hypothetical stuff. Field marshal berhe Yeman knows his limits as a human being. And he knows the nation future and it’s well being is more important than his own one simple life. Therefore he would in place the best possible risk mitigation strategies and the best possible succession plan in place in the evident of something happened to him.

            Then he has nothing to fear and he would not leave his country and people in the middle of pandemic and leave the country vulnerable in case something goes wrong. The president based if his age, his past health issues, is the at great risk than average people and it’s totally irresponsible for him to do that.

            As to weyane and their plans (I’d they are foolish enough to have such plan), I don’t think there should be anything that he needs to fear, because the people will stay guard for a nation.

            The problem is, the way you think, kulu hadarka awezifka, weyane kitible mHdar eyu. You are playing by their game, by their timetable while putting your life (and that of the young) in hold.

            You should watch them but move on with your life. And do not make it Eritrea business if they are defeated, destroyed or disappeared, let the Tigray people and the Ethiopian people decide.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Berhe:
            I never said or supported the idea or excuse that the WeyAne should be toppled in order to have a Constitutional Governance and for Eritreans to live in peace and get involved in nation building.
            I rather argued against that tre heroes excuse and advocated that the other way round is what should come FIRST so as to make Eritrea stronger and prosperous and to help defeat the TPLF!
            If we were to have had a Guiding Constitution and Genuine National Reconciliation, no one would dare to bite us let alone the quarantined WeyAne and their GaeGazian losers.
            PIA knows that truth well but he cannot survive truth and the rule of law.
            Hence, he has to keep us in the status quo by creating excuses, new enemies and fear mongering tactics!
            But my core point is that the TPLF has supported directly or indirectly to achieve his goals and the strategy to torture Eritreans.
            Hence, the TPLF is our another formidable enemy considering everything they have done and are doing to Eritrea and Eritreans to keep us divided and to strengthen PIA and his power grip!
            As such, we have to fight it as a dangerous enemy in the short and long term!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            I don’t know what we are arguing about then. I have nothing to disagree with you.

            It’s not that I cared for his life moren that I care for other Eritreans. My worry is what will happen to our future where us no clear succession plan and the infighting and chaos it follows upon a sudden departure.

            I was listing to Samson Solomon video presentation where him and the people that work with him have prepared a manifesto of traditional government in the event that the there us power change in Eritrea.

            I think it’s a good attempt on their part.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Don’t worry about what happens if Isu unexpectedly leave office. The Agazian force supported by the rich and powerful from the south will takeover.
            They have been preparing for this since 1976.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            That’s very plausible venture. But we are very well prepared for it as well.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            The difference is you are disorganized. They are unified, organized and have the financial and manpower resources. You are absolutely no match for them.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            My first wish is, I hope it never comes to that. And if it happens, I have faith in the Eritrean people ability to resist and defeat any aggression that comes our way. And my advice will be, I hope they don’t entertain that foolish idea.

            Yes we are disorganized, yes we have difference of opinions, yes we are stretched, but there is nothing that can unite us like an outside threat against our people and our country.

            The only thing we know how to do and do well is defend our country and fight. No amount of money or power or organization can win the sheer will of the people.

            This I never lose sleep about it. Our biggest threat is our own making and our own weakness, and those sheep wearing wolfs among us. Thanks to time and our patience they have been exposed to the core and we will never fell to their trick any longer.

            If you need a perfect example is the response to covid-19 inside and outside the country. That’s our determination and nothing will change that.

            As far as our differences, and our division, we use to be one and united and we ended up with PFDJ. The last 20 years has been a good learning opportunity for us and this whole argument and counter argument will pay it’s dividend in the building future and democratic Eritrea. It’s a blessing honestly. We have learned that, we can agree to disagree and move on. That’s is basically what democracy means…and we will build the best democracy..I am very hopeful.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Did u read the genius Abi ?He made one of the most penetrating truth and sharpest points ever!
            There is a serious reason and rationale behind what those of us, the so called PFDJ Apologists, as to why we have been obsessed with the TPLF’s THREAT!
            The Tigrai elite have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that they are for rediscovering and building the Axumite Empire with the Red Sea as its outlet by all means possible and they have done every possible preparation ever they could as their last resort, irrespective of their success.
            It might sound as a day dream and an empty bravado but we can’t ignore their destabilizing effort based on what they have done to us since 1998!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            I think by now every Eritrean is very aware. You see when they make that manifesto they were counting and predicting that the Tigriana would be an accomplice to their adventures just like what they did when they fought ELF.

            Do you remember in our history, that we ever lost any battle or war and we submit ourselves willingly? It’s not going to happen in this generation either.

            Those that come to rule us, we accepted them because they come in peace, be it Alula, Italians, the British or Haile Slassie. They have never fought and defeated us and come to rule over us.

            The only way you can defeat an Eritrean is by fooling him pretending to be his friends. We learned the hard way, No more.

            For those that actually think that’s possible, I want to remind them what Mehari Misghina use to say every year during Awet Adwa celebration, now I will modify it..

            ኤርትራ ኤርትራ ትብሉዋ፡
            ትመጸኩም ዶ ትኸድዋ:
            አብ እንዳ አንበሳ ዶ ይአቱ ጣዕዋ:
            አብ እንዳ ዱሙ ዶ ይአቱ አንጭዋ፡

            Listen to SGJ latest youtube. He said, we should use and apply Occam’s Razor.

            We have to get rid of PFDJ, it’s the main reason for our problems, once we get rid of PFDJ then we can deal with all that comes after it.

            🙂

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe

            Eritrea lost the Badme border war. Wake up to reality

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Aligaz G. We have heard the same TPLF mumbo jumbo before. If one side in a war feels that they have been clearly victorious, it is then logical for them to pursue Terms of Surrender from the defeated side and illogical for them to instead enter into a ceasefire agreement for which hands over disputed matters to a neutral body to later render a final verdict . The Badme war was avoidable, unfortunate, stupid and regrettable and there were only losers and no winners which came from it.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            Have you ever played ማይ’ዶ ጸባ or ኣቲና’ዶ ኣይኣተናን. There is a new game with in that line—ከሲርና’ዶ ኣይከሰርናን and Isaias says ኣይከሰርናን!

          • Mokie Berhe

            Paulos. You are indeed a patron saint for Digital Woyane and you have found your sanctuary here where you are afforded red carpet treatment by the rooms fixed custodians and you can freely insult, rip and divide an already jig sawed Eritrean opposition. It has long been known that that the existence of PIA/PFDJ post 1991, however damaged/fractured, serves the interest of TPLF survival, though this stratagem now appears to have a very limited shelf life. PMAA jilted your game plan and your Digital Woyane are now running like cockroaches being chased by a 100-litre aerosol can of Raid. You can now go ahead and shower me with obscenities for the moderators will conveniently incur amaurosis fugax in both eyes.

          • Samuel

            Selam Mokie Berhe,
            MZ quote “The indirect route is the shortest route”.

            Learn to accept history as is and move forward for good. Why would you let an enemy all the way to Barentu if you are fighting for tiny land called “Badme”?
            If you are winning and if you are fighting for tiny land “Badme” then why do you let an enemy to control 20% of Eritrea land? You can’t swallow it, right?

            The war wasn’t between Eritrea and Ethiopia, the was between PFDJ and TPLF, but it was the people who suffered the most.
            I feel bad to even respond to this PFDJ nonsense narrative but the reality was PFDJ took a lesson to not repeat ever again. PFDJ has been hibernating for 20 years.

            Here is what Meles Zenawi told the BBC in an interview in the capital, Addis Ababa, after Ethiopia military controlled Barentu:

            ”To achieve this, we do not share the point of view of some military experts who suggest that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. On the contrary, it may be that the indirect route is the shortest route.”

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,

            That is the biggest problem with mz/tplf that brought us to the present day predicament, that they never had a straight heart for ethiopia’s interest. They were oscillating between their personal and group interest and the hate they had for ethiopia, without any consideration for the country and its people.
            Indeed, it was a war between mz/tplf and ia/pfdj, not even an ethiopian war. Unfortunately, those who were sacrificed for that tiny piece of land “badme”, as you call it, were tens of thousands of young ethiopians, which were nothing more than numbers as much as mz/tplf were concerned, and they were lost in vain.
            Where did you see, hear or read, that a country that was a victim of aggression (ethiopia in this case), defeated the enemy by sacrificing its young to drive out the invader, goes for arbitration without preconditions? Mz/tplf didn’t give a damn for young ethiopians that lost their lives for a tplf – pfdj war, as you rightly characterized the war. Mz/tplf insulted their memory by going to the negotiation table empty handed without any preconditions. Any patriotic government as a winner of a war of aggression that cost the lives of tens of thousands would have its own terms on the table, but not mz/tplf.
            Why did mz/tplf declare war as long as he didn’t want the war? No, no, he was forced to. Then, why did he refuse to hand over badme, as long as he didn’t believe in fighting the invaders? You people are accusing the ethiopian pm for accepting the eebc decision and you continue to oppose it.
            Can you deny that seyoum mesfin lied, when he unashamedly came out and told the ethiopian people that badme was awarded to ethiopia?
            When an action is full of deceit, of course, the indirect way is usually chosen. That was what mz indirectly wanted to tell the BBC.
            Ethiopia won the war in the battle fields with the blood of her children and lost at the negotiation table, thanks to mz/tplf. Period.

          • Samuel

            Hi Horizon,
            I am not insinuating that the war was justified, it was unjust war, it should have been avoided by all means. What has Tigray and Eritrea benefited from it? Nothing. We have lost so much from this war.

            The question you need to ask is, why is PMAA conspiring against his own people with DIA? We had enough war in this region, thus what are they cooking again? Another Badme war?

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            “PMAA conspiring against his own people with DIA”. Is it because he accepted the EEBC decision? So, tplf is ready for another badme war, instead of handing over what doesn’t belong to it? Is that what you say?
            Conspiracy against one’s own people is when a group is set to destabilize the country, ignores the central government, says it defends the constitution while it breaks it with its own actions, and when lately we hear that it is ready to stand with the enemy, egypt, against the gerd. Guess, who comes to your mind?
            The ethiopian government is vowing it will finish the gerd, while it is said that, at the same time, tplf is sending the message that it will help egypt to destroy what it started to construct, i.e. the gerd. You can imagine where the conspiracy lies. Tplf has to clarify its stand when such things are said about it.

          • Abi

            Samuel
            Ethiopians will never again fight for Tplf initiated war.
            Now, get out of Badme and all illegally occupied lands both in Ethiopia and Eritrea.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Samuel,

            Of course PMMZ changed his mind mid stream after Algiers went against him and decided to continue mictruating on PIA by indefinitely occupying 25000 sq m of Eritrea.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Mr Alligaz:
            With all due respect, can you stop your mumbo-jumbo fuss and change the topic for good?
            Do you know what happened to your TPLF Foot Soldiers, Gen Siyye, Gen SeAre and a mercenary IDF / Israel Defense Forces Senior Commander at the Aseb Front after desperately trying to capture Aseb for a week by postponing the Algiers Meeting for peace talks and ceasefire?

          • Aligaz G

            Ok Hope,

            Didn’t meant to hurt your feelings with facts. So let’s change the topic and elevate the discourse. Are you familiar with Hilbert?

          • Sultan M.G.

            Sure Aligaz:
            I just stated the facts . You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.

            Eritrea and Eritreans NOT only survived as a nation and as a people but also have stood FIRMER,STRONGER by WINNING against all odds and tsunamis, when they were predestined to fail and to be wiped out from the world map.

            What have you, your TPLF and your sponsors achieve other than LOSING a BIG TIME to the max?

          • Aligaz G

            Hope,

            You said something about changing the topic?

          • Aligaz G

            Mokie Berhe,

            Whatever gets you through the night. It’s all right

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz G.

            Yeah I got that.

            I was hoping to get a lists and lists of lists detailing….all the loses Eritrea suffered, but nothing….sort of…which exactly what I wanted to get at and remind everyone.

            Even the Badime war, Ethiopia was using Russian / Easter Europe mercenaries to fly their planes, Israel to renew their military power and air planes, and the they were aided by some third party satellite image directing them Eritrean defense forces….And on top of that, Eritrea was waiting for Ethiopia to get ready and attack Eritrea at it’s convenience….not to mention the screw up….our president did to conduct the war at the advantage of Ethiopia…

            We can live with that loss:)

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe Y,

            You are probably right in some other parallel universe. In other words its pointless to talk to someone in denial. Btw people always seem to fight the last war but you wouldn’t understand what I am talking about anyway so let’s skip the chit chat.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            Add :
            And yet, despite all the support, the failures by our PIA, evil agenda and conspiracies, crippling sanctions while in the middle of “ a between life and death”war,Eritrea,not only won the war and the verdict ;but also have stood FIRM and stronger than our well armed and well supported enemies!
            Note:
            The TPLF army was fully supported and commanded by a Senior IDF( Israeli Defense Forces) at the Aseb Front per the Voice of Germany ( Deuce Velle)confirmed and reliable report, which leaked the injury of a Senior Israeli Commander but our EDF Artillery!
            A close friend of my friend from Boston confirmed to us that the US Navy at the Red Sea was not only providing Intelligence and Satellite Images of our EDF positions for the TPLF but same X-US Marine stationed in that Navy claimed that the US Navy fired missiles to our EDF Positions at the western Front( not my report but he claimed it!)!!!

          • Nitricc

            Aligaz; how do you define losing? If the war about Baidme and Badime awarded legally to Eritrea; how is Eritrea to lose the war? Sometimes, I wonder the IQ of the Digital. How much are they paying you?

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            Very simple but beyond your limited understanding. Militarily the Eritrean Defense Forces were decisively defeated and in fact more or less permanently destroyed. Diplomatically Eritrea was declared a pariah state in spite of Algiers. A quarter of Eritrea is under military occupation to this day. What exactly is your point?

          • NewDawn

            Aligaz, thank israel,usa, russia and of course your fenji regach. For avenging your defeats before hand.

          • Aligaz G

            Newdawn,

            Both sides acquired weapons from basically the same sources. Mercenaries and intelligence were likewise purchased by both sides. Now the reason why Eritrea was defeated was because PIA attempted to recreate Nakfa and failed. This is reality. Deal with it.

          • Selam Abi,
            What would you say if IA forms confederation with Ethiopia and outsources the responsibility of defending Eritrea from tplf/woyane?
            What complicated horn of Africa, indeed.
            I am not sure, but this may give sort of security for Eritrea? Eritrea is in danger from tplf/woyane since the infamous 1976 manifesto.
            Do you remember things like surgical strike, invade and depose the regime, but they didn’t say to whom to hand over the government. The people who were saying these were tplf apologists. It was an encrypted message.
            Because confederation or any other arrangement with Ethiopia is anathema, what happens after IA, remains an unanswered question. Let’s hope the best may come in the end.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I remember who said what during the long and monotonous debates.
            Surgically removing Isu, targeted attacks , mobilizing Ethiopian forces you remove Isu without any plan to replace him ወዘተርፈ ወዘተርፈ
            The funniest thing was by a person with multiple nicknames who proposed the two ትግሬዎች form a strong force and ascend to mount እንጦጦ. It was like my full time job exposing that guy with multiple names. It was fun. He did not know detective Abi. Ras Abi was fighting each one of those guys. ( I demand promotion!)
            Anyway, time is showing us who is who in Awatenation.
            ጊዜ ከመስታዎት እንደምን ይለያል
            እንኳን የሰው ፊቱን ጀርባውን ያሳያል
            ብሏል ዘፋኝ::

            Confederation with Ethiopia is the best alternative to Eritrea at this point. Do I like it? No. That will send Paul and Berhe to the Sahel mountains at the same time. That will put General Nitricc on the first plane to Eritrea. ( through Addis, of course) . አገሩ ሁሉ ሼዳ አጥላቂ ጨጏር ዳንጋ ይሁን እንዴ?

            እግዜር ያመላክትህ ወንድም በርሄ
            ቁምጣ ሱሪ ለብሶ
            ቂጣ ብጤ ጎርሶ
            ያገኘውን ተቋድሶ
            ጠመንጃውን አጉርሶ
            አገሩን ሊታደግ በረሃ ገስግሶ
            ለእናት አገሩ አጥንቱን ከስክሶ
            ዘራፍ! ዘራፍ! ሲል ቁጣ አይሉት ለቅሶ
            እንቅልፉን ሳይጨርስ ነቃ ተመልሶ
            አቢንም ረገመው መልሶ መላልሶ
            ለካስ በህልሙ ነው የሄደው አገር ጥሶ

          • Saleh Johar

            Say what Abi?
            You were promoted to Ras because that’s the highest available unless you want “Mr prime minister”. The age of kings is gone and I hear there are many waiting in line 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            እውነት ብለዋል ጌታው!
            ቀድሞውንስ ከራሥ በላይ ንፋስ አይደል? ከራሥ በላይ ምን ሊመጣ?
            I know “The age of kings” is gone. Now, it is the age of the Bandits.
            ማነህ ባለሣምንት? አለ ሰውየው ቢገርመው

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Here is the hard fact we all have to learn to live with: There will not be any Federation or Confederation or any other brand of “tion” for that matter. As we say it in Tigrinya, ጥልያን’ሲ ይፋተውሞ ግን በብያትኦም.

            We are two independent sovereign nations destined to be neighbors. If we are lucky, we both will find leaders who will lead us to the green pastures busked in the wind of serenity, if not Isaias and Abiy are the wrong leaders for the wrong people and in a wrong historical time frame.

            Isaias’ doesn’t have any long term policy laid out on Eritrea but a parochial short term instead. And that is, either to get even with the Weyanes or eliminate them all together. A man can not try to fix any other country if he can not fix his own and Isaias clearly understands that for he doesn’t have any illusion about it but he is on a mission to finalize what is stated on the above. He sees a weak link in his stratagem though and that is—time. He is pushing 80 and he doesn’t look physically good at all either and perhaps that keeps him up at night where the other factors are a walk in the park for a man who have mastered on how to create a crisis and strive in it for almost five decades.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m always mad at you when you take the ወርቅ and leave me with the ሰም:)
            What you said about the “tion “ thing is comforting unless you are saying it in an effort to avoid finding yourself alongside Hawna Berhe in the trenches defending your hard won independence . We need to find something to bring Paulino and Berhino together by all means necessary:)

            The weyanes allowed Isu to roam all over Ethiopia by their own actions. First By going against the tides of the change that knocked them out from the power and የመንግስት ካዝና, then, more importantly, by quarantining themselves and their people at ደደቢት.
            They should have humbled themselves, apologizing publicly and move on. Instead, they are wrecking havoc in the country.
            እንደ አህያ እኔ ከሞትኩ ሰርዶ አይብቀል ማለት አንድም ብልግና ሲከፋም ድድብና ነው::

            At this junction, the relationship between Abiy and Isu should be encouraged by አገር ወደድ ኤርትራውያን:: Who is going to stop the other “tion “ from becoming a reality? Agazination! Now, this will definitely send Berhe to Sahel. አንተም ወደ አስመራ ታቀናለህ ሳሙኤልን አስከትለህ:: የወይ አይኔ ፍቅር ያሳወረው አይንህም ይበራልሃል ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            In his last interview, Isaias said, he is entitled to meddle in the affairs of Ethiopia to the extent of saying that he will work to have the Constitution changed. Moreover, he said that, there shouldn’t be any need for election as well. If you are missing the picture, let me point it out for you. Isaias thinks and believes he is the President of Ethiopia where he doesn’t think much of Abiy. No joke!

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m kind of confused here. How come a weyane admirer concerned about Ethiopian election?
            Last time I checked we never had elections in Ethiopia . I don’t remember you ever complaining about the luck of elections in the weyane led Ethiopia.
            I’m sure I made it clear so that you can see the picture መቶ በመቶ.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Do you know what is the most famous quote of Queen Elizabeth II in her ever long reign? It is when she rhetorically asked “Why did no one see it coming?” The 2008 financial crises on her mind that is.

            The other day, Sal in his Twitter feed poignantly wrote, Isaias is coming to Ethiopia with a bag of Scorpions. Do you know why he said that? Precisely because patterns matter. Let me put it in a context. In his last visit to Ethiopia, Isaias made rather unusual speech to the Ministers right after he inaugurated a plant in the Oromia region. He lavished the Ministers with praises to the extent of saying that, they are inspiration to him and a model of character and hard work he could learn from them. Certainly, they were enchanted by his sense of humility when a man of his stature humbles himself to the level of novice Ministers.

            In one of his books, Professor Bereket Habteselassie narrates about his very first encounter with Isaias. He said it was in the mid 70s and he was completely touched when Isaias offered him a stool or a seat covered with a cozy hides to sit on saying that, he was nobody comparing to the statute of the good Professor. I am sure you know where Professor Bereket is now. Not in Eritrea respected and revered as an elder citizen and the father of the Eritrean Constitution but dropped like a used merchandize living in exile instead. Isaias never gives any praises to no one including in Eritrea right after he consolidated an absolute power. He would give only part of his sinister plan. If I have to borrow your closing words when you comment–Pay Attention.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You know yours truly always pays close attention.
            I didn’t see coming Your admiration to the above mentioned professor. Since I always paid attention I even remember how my sister Pappilon described the Professor who had diligently served The Imperial King, the Communist Derg and ወንበዴ ኢሳያስ at the highest level. As long as you throw him a piece of ቂጣ he is always ready to serve any and all owners.
            Isu was kind enough to humble himself and left the cosy seat covered with hide to the professor.
            ጅብ የማያውቁት አገር ሄዶ ቁርበት ( hide) አንጥፉልኝ አለ ይባላል::
            Find me someone more credible.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You really are a genius. You found the best solution for the agazian or abay-tigray, hatew qetew. I am glad to see, you abandon your build the wall mantra:).

            I am all for confederation….In fact, all the past Eritrean leaders, Saleh Sabbe, Abedela Idris, Isayas Afeworki, and many others were open to the idea of peaceful resolution to Eritrean/ Ethiopian problems.

            There is always one group who was constantly oppose to the idea of peaceful resolution to Eritrea / Ethiopia issue, TPLF. TPLF fought for Eritrean independence more than Eritreans themselves, according to Aboy Sibhat, Melles and others.

            Now you will see the surgical group will come swinging, how they fought for Eritrea independence more than Eritrea and any possibility of peaceful existence with Ethiopia will (Amharu are coming)….

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy witch one is greater, Ras or Lij? Anyway I don’t the order so, give your self next up. About confederation between Ethiopia and Eritrea; no worries about that. TPLF will never allow to happen. Because if Eritreans in with Ethiopia, the TIgrayns will be forgotten. That was the reason last time TPLF kicked Eritreans out of Ethiopia. They looted Ethiopia blindly with no competitor. However for Eritrea the best option is stay clam, collective, assertive and GO-ON!!!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berge:
            I was not arguing with but correcting you by clarifying things to you.

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            If you have the time, I highly recommend a book by Jonathan Kaplan, a Surgeon turned writer titled, “The Dressing Station: A Surgeon’s Chronicle of War and Medicine.” He had been to Eritrea during the struggle for independence and he had spent sometime at the “Dressing Stations” as he would like to call them. And he gives a detailed account about the merits and weaknesses of practicing medicine in a war torn Eritrea.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Doc:
            What is Capo( Italian to mean the Head? The head of what and who?).
            I will definitely make up some time to read anything related to Eritrea.
            You know the Credentialing Criteria and process for Hospitals to be accredited!
            One of them is the competency of its Staff!
            The well trained Eritrean Rebel Doctors and the visiting Professors as Field Surgeons like my own Prof, Dr Haile Mezghebe, should suffice to make the Orota Hospital of Sahil an Accredited Referral Hospital !

          • Paulos

            Sultan,

            Ma bad. Thought you would understand Asmarino lingua. Capo is kind of saying Chief—-we used for term of endearment particularly among pals. For instance, we [Asmarinos] say “Alora Capo” when we run into someone we know. Henceforth, will address you as Sultan.

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG; I was very surprised and stunned to find out that EPLF has a book published titled ” where there is no doctor” in Tigrigna and the people were diagnosing themselves when ever they felt ill. I am just disappointed how Eritrean went back ward. Eritrea has all the characters to be very successful nation. Eritrea had a pharmacy producing drugs under ground. I mean the history of EPLF nothing short of miracle. But unfortunately; we got Weyane, to get us back to square one. Eritrea and Eritreans they must find a way to separate themselves from this Tigryans. I am sorry but they are the source of every misery of Eritrea. Every problem Eritrea have, emanated from the Tigryans. I can’t just pass that EPLF had pharma when they were in Nakfa? just digest that. We need to restore and update the great history of ingenuity of the Eritrean journey.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam General:
            Only a nano-fraction of the unheard of miraculous achievements by the Eritrean people in general and by the EPLFin particular, has been recorded!

            In fact,it was way beyond building a pharmacy in the bushes of Sahil .

            If u had a chance to visit the the 1000- bed sophisticated underground hospital in Orotta of Sahil and checked the high quality Artificial Cornea /Lense Plant , you would have appreciated and prided yourself to be an Eritrean more than you do now!
            This is NOT to mention the sophisticated and well organized Guerrilla Warfare…and its miraculous achievements and success stories !
            Definitely there is a conspiracy behind successfully trying to discredit and to destroy by our internal and external enemies those ACHIEVEMENTS by Eritreans.

            Hint:
            Keeping Asmera , Massawa and Aseb to stay behind and to ban the proper utilization of our huge Red Sea natural resources …..
            Keeping the Eri Youth at bay far away in the trenches and denying them education and building families ; letting the biblical scale exodus and making them to be victims and preys of smugglers, kidnappers,rapists, organ-harvesters and what not, in a well organized and coordinated manner so as to keep going the destruction of Eritrea perpetually until Eritrea is emptied …..

            And yet, that same TINY NATION and its resilient people have, NOT only survived all the tsunamis against all odds and against all internal and external all enemies, but have outshined as the SOLE WINNERS and have stood firm and stronger by literally burying their same enemies 10 ft below the ground, the very same enemies, which have done everything possible under the sun to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans!

            This tells you that this TINY but FORMIDABLE nation and this Resilient people will survive against all tsunamis and hassles and will keep WINNING and outshining ….. and stay stronger than ever!
            Something is special about this nation n and its people!

            “ Those,who attempted to kill Eritrea and Eritreans are either already DEAD and/ or are dying and will be dying”!
            Courtesy of Ato Yemane GhebreAb!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Berhe; Absolutely they did a very good job. Eritrea’s surrounding countries are picking up cases very fast. Sudan as of today 2591 cases and 105 deaths while Ethiopia 365 cases to 5 deaths. Somalia, Kenya and Djibouti are not any better. So, it is in order to say thank you to the people and government. If Eritrea had honest opposition they could have come out and said Good job. That is why we say, there are no opposition. Anyway what Eritrea did is a blue print for other African country to do what Eritrea did. That is the only way fight and win this thing. No one died man? Impressive.

            When “I” is replaced with “we”; even illness becomes wellness.
            Malcolm X

        • A.Osman

          Selam Nitricc,

          The opposition has to scrutinise the actions of the government, who else is gonna do it :).

          Containment was the only option as Eritrea does not have the resilience to manage the consequence of a spread. If the opposition sounded alarmist of the looming danger, it is simply because they care….no one was hoping for the government to fail on this one.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. Agazian movement? Even David Duke is laughing. One must recall the Ethiopian and Eritrean refugee camps that were set up in Sudan in the decades prior to 1991. Eritrean refugees simply never chose to live with/amongst Ethiopian refugees to include Tigrayans. There was even one refugee camp that was set-up with the aim of hosting refugees from Eritrea and Tigray in particular. However, the Eritreans quickly separated from the Tigrayans resulting in a clearly split and divided refugee camp. Even in Khartoum in an urban setting, Eritreans ‘for the most part’ chose to live in separate areas of the city and away from Ethiopians to include Tigrayans. I really do not know much about how Eritreans lived in Addis Ababa pre-1991. I only know that there were some parts of the city that were known to be populated with Eritreans. Maybe somebody could add more in this regard.

    • Abi

      Hello Mokie
      When Eritreans ruled over Ethiopia prior 1991, they lived all over Addis. There were more Eritreans around ቄራ.

      Somebody else also told us about the refugees in Sudan. His name was like Asmara Blue or something like that:) Eritreans have always struggled to assimilate with others. They need to work on their social skills specially in difficult situations like refugee camps.
      Welcome back again. Stay safe.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        If Eritreans in fact ruled Ethiopia prior to 91, a sequel to that has just begun. As they say, history is a b*tch because it repeats itself.

        • Abi

          Paul
          I sign up for ጀማሪ class only if you are the instructor. I also need a volunteer to teach a ማጠናከሪያ class for my First Lady .
          እዋይ!! How is that for starting?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            My pleasure and will do it pro bono. But a bit disappointed though. Was hoping you would say, “I am the son of my forefathers and will revolt—ኣሻፈረኝ!”

          • Abi

            Paul
            ዋ! ዘራፍ አኔ የንጉሥ አሽከር ! ብዬ የተነሳሁ እለት መድረሻ እንዳታጣ::

            እንኳን ተኩሼ እጥላለሁ አስነጥሼ!
            እንደ አውሎንፋስ አገር ምድሩን አተራምሼ!

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam ወንድም ኣማች

        “Eritreans have always struggled to assimilate with others. They need to work on their social skills specially in difficult situations.”

        ዶ……………..!!! ኣለ የኣገሬ ሰው።
        Thank you for the tip though.

        Semere Tesfai

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. Very sorry to hear about the recent passing of liberation fighter Afwerki Abraha (71 years of age) from COVID. He was a true gentleman and was the first Eritrean Diplomat to be posted in Ethiopia. I have very fond memories of his wife Fatina Ahmedin.

    • Nitricc

      Afwerki Abraha……. his wife Fatina Ahmedin.

      Hey Mokie; sorry to hear about the gentle man and the fighter passing away. And reading your post when I read Afeworki and his wife Fatina; So cool!!! .
      that is what I want in future Eritrea. complete religious harmony.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Mokie,

      Afwerki was deputy to Ambassador Haile Menkerios in Addis Ababa. Later, he was Ambassador to the UK.

      I knew him. He was kind and intelligent.

      May God bless his memory, and give strength to his family.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    1. – “The statement on the cover picture of this article ……. was taken in 1972 in Shiraro, Tigray. “ሓድነት ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ትግራይን ብናይ ቃልሲ ቃልኪዳን ዝተኣሳሰረ’ዩ”. The rough translation of the text on the poster reads, “The alliance between Eritrean and Tigrayan people is a covenance solidified by common struggle.”

    In 1972? I suppose it meant 1980 in Gregorian Calendar.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abi

      ሰላም ወንድም አማች
      It should be 1972 እንደፈረንጆቹ አቆጣጠር. During the King time. Had it been In 1980, derg would have killed or put everyone in prison.
      My question how come nobody brought this picture until now?

      • Semere Tesfai

        ሰላም ወንድም አማች

        It has to be 1980; because the Tigrean Revolution (Woyane) itself was launched in 1975 (in Gregorian calendar) – not during the King time.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Abi

          ወንድም አማች
          I respectfully disagree.( ፈራ ተባ እያሉ መቃወም ይሉሃል እንዲህ ነው)
          I think the Tigray people existed before TPLF. My point is that rally happened before TPLF created.
          ተሳሳትኩ እንዴ?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ወንድም አማች

            “I think the Tigray people existed before TPLF. My point is that rally happened before TPLF created.
            ተሳሳትኩ እንዴ?”

            Let’s use deductive reasoning/deductive logic to reach a logically certain conclusion. I know two things for sure:

            1. – According to Tigreans in the know
            Woyane ≠ TPLF ≠ people of Tigray

            2. – According to people in the know inside Menelk I Palace

            ወያኔዎች = የቀን ጅቦች

            ∴ ወንድም ኣማች – ኣልተሳሳቱም

            But when and where was the picture taken?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            According to the article the picture was taken in 1972 at Shiraro, Tigray.
            See, I didn’t need to use deductive reasoning /logic.
            ከየት አመጣዋለሁ ወንድም ጋሼ?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ወንድም አማች

            According to your truly ጨጓር-ዳንጋ, the 1972 demonstration in Shiraro is the least of this article’s errors, as it is 1972 in Ethiopian Calendar. The article is full of false equivalency, errors, half-truth, fallacy, and unsound arguments.

            But it is tiresome to chase every false argument that is made her at Awate. So you let it slide because it has been argued here a thousand times with a thousand people.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            My hope is the author will explain some of the things under question.
            I’m sure he is reading some of the comments penned by the big shots here.
            Be safe.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Tegadalay Semere:
            I read Bahlibi’s Article 3x with special attention.
            Aside from prob technical errors in the dates , I did not see any major contradictions in the Article.
            If you are questioning or challenging Bahlibi’s premise that the legit struggle of both Eritreans and Tigreyans was interrelated fircsaying” The alliance between Eritrean and Tigrayan people is a covenance solidified by common struggle”, I do not see anything contradictory contextually speaking .
            Other Ethiopian Organizations were cooperating with the Eritreans.
            If you are trying to bring up the sad incident of the joint EPLF-TOLF operation against the ELF , which was allegedly done for tactical and/ or strategic reasons in the very words of Aboy Sibhat so as to clear the obstacle / The ELF to the Abay Tigrai Republic/ Tigrai-Tigrnign Agenda, I regret to tell you that you might be probably expressing bias or resentment.
            Remember that Conspiracy Theorists still believe that the USA ( the CIA) and the Jewish State/ Israel ( the Mossad)were behind the devastating joint EPLF-ELF operation against the ELF for a simple geo-political reasons so as to :

            -To either block the Eritrean Independence and to keep Eritrea part of Ethiopia.
            OR
            -To avoid the Arab Influence on the ELF due the obvious approach of the ELF Leadership as a Pro-Arab Movement, which me and you know better and well!
            In my opinion, it was not necessary for Ustaz Bahlibi to state few things in his last paragraph.
            My call to you is to write a follow up Article to challenge and/or refute Bahlibi’s superb Article considering all things, specially the toxic propaganda by the Digital WeyAne against Eritrea and Eritreans as a prelude or precondition and a strategy for “An Abay Tigrai Republic” by weakening or destroying Eritrea and Eritreans as an Independent State and people, which is the old new strategy of these Dedebitawian Dedeboch , which is Ye Adebabay Mister!

            Here is the disgusting thing we heard like Bahlibi boldly stated it:
            That the TPLF has prepared in all aspects to invade Eritrea and annex it to Tigrai partially or fully … so as to declare an Abay Tigrai Republic and revive the Axumite Kingdom.
            A Junior /Assistant Professor from the Mekele University publicly stated the above bravado on the TV Tigrai and will try to locate the link…

            I watched and listened to the interview when I was in Addis last Fall and my own ill Mom with minimum Tigrinya knowledge caught him saying that!!!!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Sultan M.G.

            This is my beef with the Article.

            1. – “Although both Eritreans and Tigreans have been endeavoring to coexist in peace and harmony, the Abyssinian warlords from Tigray and now EPLF (PFDJ) and TPLF elites have made peaceful coexistence practically impossible for generations (from 18th— 21st Century).

            This is absolute false equivalency. You can’t blame Eritrean and Tigrean elites/warlords equally for the misery of our past. I challenge the author of the article or any other reader to present me any harm done to Tigreans by Eritrean elite or the PFDJ regime. I know people are not going dispute the atrocities of Wube, Shibagadis, Alula, Minelik, Haileslassie, Derg but some will question Woyanes brutality against Eritreans. And this are the glaring facts:

            A. – The 1976 Woyane Manifesto the author mentioned was a blueprint for future Greater Tigray. From 1976 to this day, their manifesto has not been condemned, scraped, or amended. But from 1976 to this day, based on their vision and their blueprint, consistently the Woyanes has been creating facts on the ground. Let me be very specific:

            – Until 1978, the inhabitants of the Badme region – both on the Ethiopian and Eritrean side deep into the Adiabos – were Eritrean majority (by some estimates over 80%) – from Western Hamassien and Southern and Western Seraye. Even the names of places and villages were names given by Eritreans. From 1978-2000, systematically and consistently the Woyanes were uprooting Eritreans, confiscating their properties, resettling Tigreans in place of Eritreans, and renaming the places and villages. Today, out of the hundreds of thousands of Eritreans who called those places home for 2-3 generations, I will be shocked if there is a single Eritrean family left there.

            – After 1991, this madness continued into deep sovereign Eritrean territories, not only in and around Badme but also in Dankalia and on the Southern Regions of Eritrea. And the never-ending encroachment into sovereign Eritrean territories, the confiscation of property of Eritrean farmers, the arrest and killing of Eritreans at the border is what led to the 1998 “border” war. Because, what is the point of having a government, if the government is unable to defend its citizens and their properties, and its men and women in uniforms?

            Now please explain to me:
            (1). – How are EPLF and TPLF equally to be blamed for the lack of peaceful coexistence at the Eritrea-Tigrean border?

            (2). – If you truly believe the 1976 Woyane’s Manifesto was anti-Eritrean territorial integrity and anti-Eritrean sovereignty, how on earth could you believe – the PFDJ regime and the TPLF Chifra to be blamed equally – for the misery that occurred on Eritreans and Tigreans during the process of implementation of the Woyane’s 1976 blueprint (manifesto)?

            2. – ” The political elites (PFDJ sand Woyanes), however, have been promoting the idea of people-to-people diplomacy as a transnational conflict resolution strategy to solve the problems of their own making. As a supplementary initiative, the transboundary communication, and citizens engagement may play a role in rebuilding and enhancing mutual trust and ease the socio-political and emotional strains of war.”

            Here the author doesn’t know what he is talking about. Conflict resolution and Greater Tigray Project (1976 Manifesto) are not compatible. The Woyanes objective is clearly stated in their manifest – a Tigrean is every Tigrigna speaker wherever s/he is + Kunama + Saho + Dankalia. Now where is the conflict resolution he is talking about?

            – People to people diplomacy is another way of saying regime change. Nations make relations through their leaders. There is no Eritrea-Tigrean people to people relationship by bypassing the Eritrean government. There is no Ethio-Eritrean people to people relationship by bypassing the Ethiopian government. The Woyanes stated objective is regime change in Eritrea – followed by comprehensive negotiation. Meaning, pressuring Eritrea to yield to Ethiopian demands – Eritrean territories, ports, army size, diplomatic rights, foreign policy limits…….. all in exchange for peace. The point: Eritrea never advocated/claimed people to people relations by bypassing the Ethiopian government. The Woyanes are calling people to people relations by bypassing the Eritrean and Ethiopian governments.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Sultan M.G.

            OMG, Semere!
            I never approached the Article the way you did but was just focusing on the dirty agenda of the TPLF, which Bahlibi did well in exposing it.
            Now I see the seemingly deliberate contradictions and “The UN / Kofi Aman style of blaming both Govts equally“!
            His blame on the PFDJ as if it messed up the Eri-Tigreyan peaceful coexistence is but a gross and seemingly deliberate misstatement!
            I just cannot agree more with/on your take , which I overlooked since my focus was on Bahlibi’s case by case analysis on the TPLF’s destructive agenda on Eritrea and its Sovereignty.
            FYI and for the record, I have been regurgitating and lots i info what you exactly elaborated when it comes to the mischiefs and destructive agenda against Eritrea and Eritreans by the same short-sighted Evil JANDA .
            Well, in that regard, Bahlibi owes us a follow up clarification based on your brilliantly put factual arguments.
            You could have done a better job by upgrading your above to the point arguments yo an Article, which I beg you and encourage you to do so.
            It it past due for you, Gheteb and Mahmuday to hit back better and more than ever against the TPLF and its Digital WeyAne toxic propaganda against Eritrea and Eritreans!

          • Nitricc

            Mengisti Tigray must set a goal if Tigray goes to war against Eritrea and Amhara. For Eritrea Tigray must dismantle Eritrea by ethnic and let the divided ethics join including Tigray ethnic from north Tigray and Tigray must control Bahri Tigray. For Tigre, Beja and Benaemire Tigray should consult with them and Sudan, if they want to join Sudan then Tigray must do everything to join Sudan but Sudan must involve in the up coming war with Eritrea and Amhara, we need Sudan to deploy it army in north Gonder to move in to Gonder city to help the Qimant and west of Eritrea to bring Tigre, Beja and Benaemire. Sudan is the critical part of the equation to redraw the new map of new nation in the Horn of Africa. It is also critical for Sudan and Egypt about water flow, Sudan must help Tigray to bring Agew Qimant and Beneshangule and Afar in the new nation and they can control the water for generations to come and Sudan and Egypt with their Arab league must join Tigray effort to win the war and redraw the new map favorable for all parties involved.

            Hi Semere; it is time for some entertainment. lol

          • Bahlbi M.

            Hi Semere,
            There is no equivalence between what the Tigrayan/Ethiopian war lords( Sehul, Sabagadis Woldu, Wube Haile Mariam, Alula Aba Nega etc) and PFDJ of Eritrea. That’s not what I am implying here. I am just stating the fact that PFDJ’s and TPLF’s political blunder are part of the historical equation(the last equation). If it was not for EPLF/PFDJ and TPLF, I genuinely believe the border war would have been avoided. It seems like you are entirely blaming TPLF for the most expensive border war. That is not entirely true. The devil is in the detail. For instance, you’ve probably come across TPLF’s political argument that “Badme has been under Tigray’s/Ethiopia’s/ governance for years”. It is because Isaias let it happen. If you check the official Eri Id of those who lived in Badme in the pre-1997 period, it says “ምቕማጡ/ጣ ባድመ ኢትዮጵያ..” Isaias certainly knew that ELF had paid blood to claim ownership of Badme, but he did it anyway. And the Eritrean public paid a heavy price.Why? There are so many variables that needed to be discussed. The point I am trying to make is that PFDJ(EPLF and TPLF have been part of the problems that made peaceful coexistence difficult.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bahibi
            I did not read ur article and comments fully but ur narration looks like that of tplf supporters.
            2nd, even though nobody want it and nobody wants to associate with axum, it is a geez speakers history, what ever pathetic history axum had, iit is geez speakers history, all the document shows that and there is no even one documents in tigraign about axum but like a told u, no body needs it and same things to wube, he is not tigrai and at his time of rule “tigrai mechoye” was established.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Bingo Semere!
            I told you so.
            How could you memorize all these after 38-40yrs??
            You should edit and upgrade this to an Article by adding some spices and data!
            Bahlibi should respond!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Bahlbi M.

            First thing first: sorry for the late response and thank you for caring to respond. I believe this is our first time to converse. I don’t recall reading you here at Awate but I look forward to have an intelligent and constructive discussions (arguments) with you for many months and years to come. Again thank you in advance and welcome home!

            Now let’s take our gloves off and get to business to add some value to our political discourse.

            1. – “There is no equivalence between what the Tigrayan/Ethiopian war lords( Sehul, Sabagadis Woldu, Wube Haile Mariam, Alula Aba Nega etc) and PFDJ of Eritrea. That’s not what I am implying here.”

            Thank you! ሓሊብ ስተ. That is what I expect from an Eritrean.

            2. – “I am just stating the fact that PFDJ’s and TPLF’s political blunder are part of the historical equation (the last equation). If it was not for EPLF/PFDJ and TPLF, I genuinely believe the border war would have been avoided.”

            TPLF political blunder? Fine; I’ll take it. PFDJ political blunder? You have to be very specific on that. You have to come up with PFDJ policy-blunder and with an alternative course of action that would’ve corrected the PFDJ regime’s blunder – that is specific to the Ethio-Eritrean “border” conflict. I look forward to that.

            3. – “It seems like you are entirely blaming TPLF for the most expensive border war. That is not entirely true.”

            You bet, I’m blaming the Woyanes. Yes I’m blaming – their evil 1976 manifesto, their Greater Tigray project, the devastating damage and misery they’ve caused to hundreds of thousands of poor Eritrean farmers on the Eritrea-Tigrean borders (killing, arrest, eviction, confiscation of properties) from 1978 till this day, and add the Denkalia Bada region to the list.
            Now tell me: what is “the entire truth” in your opinion? Also, could you please tell me what the PFDJ regime should’ve/could’ve done differently to stop “the most expensive border war”?

            4. – “For instance, you’ve probably come across TPLF’s political argument that If you check the official Eri Id of those who lived in Badme in the pre-1997 period, it says “ምቕማጡ/ጣ ባድመ ኢትዮጵያ..”

            Yes, ever since August 1981 Badme was administered by the Woyanes. Yes, the Eritreans who are/were residing in Badme after ELF was pushed out have/had an Ethiopian ID card that was issued to them by the Woyanes. Well, what other ID do you want me to expect if they are administered by the Woyanes other than Ethiopian ID? The main argument here is, we know Badme is in the hands of Woyane. Now, whose fault is that? Isaias? Why?

            5.0 – “Badme was/is owned and administered by the Woyanes because Isaias let it happen.

            That is a uninformed statement at best and pure dishonesty at worst. Some young, neive, gullible people may believe that. But personally no. Let me tell the cold truth.

            5.1. – From 1981-1991 EPLF (Isaias) never had full control over Badme; Jebha did – at least factions of it did. To be very specific, from 1981-1991 ደምሓኤ of Gerebrahan ZerE was inside the contested Badme region cozzing with with Woyanes, Sagem of Tewelde Gebreselasse was inside the contested Badme region incahoots with the Woyanes. The ፋሉል outlaws were roaming in Badme region not far from the Woyanes. Tesfamhret organization was on Tahtay Gash very close to Badme and cuddling with the Woyanes. The Osman S. Sabe organization (እንዳ ሳበ) were in Tahtay Gash very close to Badme and the Woyanes. Abdellah Idris group led by Hussein Khelifa and Mohammed Mahmoud were for the most part in Tahtay Gash close to Woyane and Badme. All offshoot of Jebha (except the Sabe organization); all never uttered a word of opposition; never fired a single shot against Woyane – to protest the occupation of Badme. Not even a pebble. And whatever Jebha faction wasn’t around Badme and Woyene between 1981-91 was there in 1998 riding Woyane (Ethiopian) tanks – burping offensive odor from excess of ጠጅ and ጥሬ ስጋ. That’s when most former ELF supporters chose to stay close to home with their Bojboj and Wedi-Aker. That’s the cold truth.

            5.2. – And where was EPLF (Isaias) during all those years? EPLF was fighting for its life in Sahel. And let me give you some timeline to make my point. The last quarter of 1981 was spent on preparation for the most lethal and devastating war in the history of both nations – in which Ethiopia amassed 245,000 of its best fighting forces – meaning 2/3 of Ethiopia’s entire military force was in Eritrea – 120,000 of its best fighting force lined-up in the front lines of Sahel. In January 1982 Mengistu Hailemariam moved his office from Addis to Asmara and stated his offensive in all directions. From the air, from the sea and from behind Tegadelti’ s frontlines from inside Sudanese territories. Days before the offensive Mengistu Hailemariam himself flew to Sahel and gave a speech in Algiena to his soldiers to boost the moral of his soldiers. All world medias was consumed with coverage of Ethiopian offensive. All people in our region were glued to their radios and TVs.
            EPLF put every Tegadalay on the front line trenches – including the handicaps who lost limbs and an eye. Mengistu, through his media promised to the world and to his people, Ethiopia was going to crush Eritrean rebelion once and for all. And Ethiopia almost did. According to some Derg Generals, during the last push to annihilate ShaEbya (EPLF) – confident of his victory – Mengistu Hailemariam played politics: he wanted the last push of EPLF to be executed by his favorite General that he wanted to promote. To do just that, it took a little longer time. And in less than two hours, EPLF fighters from their last ditch regrouped and made a counter offensive, leaving Dergue soldiers in disarray. The rest is history.

            5.3. – The whole 1983 EPLF was under quarantine. The greatest army in Sub-Saharan Africa was breathing down Tegadeti’s neck every single second of the day. In most places, the distance between these two fighting armies was less than 100 meters. And the worst of them all was – the day-and-night air-raid that crippled EPLF’s movement and their supply lines.

            5.4. – In 1984, to stop the night-air-raid – since the fighter planes were taking off from Asmara – EPLF leadership planned to stop it. To do just that, they trained their commandos, dispatched some of their finest military intelligence units inside Asmara, crafted a plan, and during the execution of the plan, Sibhat Ephrem (today’s General) himself accompanied the commandos upto the outskirts of Asmara (Seharti), had lunch with them, took a picture with them, wished them success, and said goodbye to them to finish the job. The mission was so successful over thirty airplanes were burned to the ground. And that stopped the night-air-raid for good.

            5.5. – Again in 1984, to solve the problems of food shortage and new recruits, they sneaked some of their units and captured the town of Tesseney. And that gave EPLF an opportunity to use the large farming lands of Tesseney and Aligdir for agriculture, and the ability to move in western Kebessa Bark and Northern Gash to recruit new fighters.

            5.6. – From 1984-1988, outside Sahel, EPLF movements were limited to Western Kebessa Barka and to the Tesseney Barentu regions. Let alone Badme region at the border, even on the above mentioned areas, EPLF didn’t had the presence of a strong fighting brigades. From 1988-91 all EPLF forces were on a mission in Massawa Dekemhare Denkalia and inside Ethiopia. They never had time for Badme or any other border issues.

            6.0 – “Isaias certainly knew that ELF had paid blood to claim ownership of Badme, but he did it anyway. And the Eritrean public paid a heavy price.”

            This claim is false; it is outright dishonest, it is half truth wrapped in a myth. Let me explain:

            6.1. – During my Gedli years, I’ve buried comrades on the River Banks of Tekeze, in the tall grasslands of Rawyan, on the Humera Blokos, and Humera Airport. I’ve traveled on special assignments to Lugdi Dansha all the way up-to Tikul-Dingay. I know about Badme and I know about the Adiabos (Upper and Lower). ELF never fought claiming lands or protecting borders – Badme or not Badme. Never. And let me explain why:

            6.2. – Back then, bickering and fighting to fine-Tune the Ethio-Eritrean borders to the nearest meters and half-kilometers was never our top priority – as we had a bigger fish to fry: Derg

            6.3 – Back then, we knew, even if ELF and TPLF border committees were to be formed, and even if these committees were to come to the table to solve the Ethio-Eritrean border dispute in good faith, these committees would still be, unable to do the job to the satisfaction of both sides. The reason:

            6.4 – The land in dispute is not Badme the town; it is Badme the region that stretches from the edge of western Seraye to the Settit (Tekeze) River – about a 100 km in distance. Badme the town is a drop (a small piece of land) inside this disputed vast arid plainland. The border on this vast arid plainland is an imaginary straight line with only two clearly known coordinates as points of references. Point A being the confluence of Mereb-Mai-Anbessa Rivers, and point B being 1.00 Km mark east of Badme town – leaving Badme town and most of the Kunama population inside Eritrea.

            6.5 – In theory, if you know the coordinates of point A and point B, drawing a straight line that connect point A to point B is at best a middle school level linear math. But applying it on the ground (putting markers on the 100 km arid plainland) is completely different story – that requires cartographers, experts, funding from wealthier nations, and the involvement of regional, continental, and global powers. And we knew this mach then.

            6.6 – Also, we knew we were dealing with bad actors (Woyanes) who don’t value treaties and colonial borders. And we understood the likelihood of bloodshed at some point. But fight over a border was never, ever, our top priority.

            7.0 – And that begs the question, if not border dispute, then what was the ELF-Woyane tensions animosities and bloodshed all about? And the Answer is very simple. It was all about defending our people wherever they resided. Yes, it was all about defending Eritreans who resided on both sides of the border – more so on the Ethiopian side than on the Eritrean side. Let me explain why:

            7.1 – Prior to 1978, the great majority of the inhabitants of the Badme region, on both sides of the Ethio-Eritrean borders (upper and lower Adiabos and Eritrea) were Eritreans. Also, for years, these Eritreans on both sides of the border been loyal ELF followers. They were contributing a lot of money to the cause; many of their children were on the frontlines with us; they trusted us with their properties with their lives and their livelihood. And we did the same.

            7.3 – Now look at the conundrum we all were facing: (a) We Eritreans are fighting to have our own sovereign independent state (b) The Eritrean majority on the Badme Region who were residing on both sides of the border divide, are Eritreans who support ELF and Eritrean cause (c) The land that most of them are residing belongs to Ethiopia (Tigray) (d) these Eritreans, they didn’t just lived there but also they prospered there. And the Tigreans who came there from far places of Tigray were laborers paid by these well off Eritreans.

            7.4 – Around 1978 the Woyanes came to the scene from their Sahel training camp. They are close friends and trusted ally of EPLF. Meaning: before even seeing ELF, they have already formed negative perception about ELF. And when they got a chance to see ELF (Jebha) up close; they found it to be worse than they thought.

            7.5 – The land where the majority of Eritreans were calling home, is Woyane land. Since it is their land, they have every right to protect it and administer it. And ELF can’t deny them that right. So, they started administering their area.

            7.6 – Administering the area meant to the Woyanes dismantling ELF infrastractures – by intimidating, arresting, evicting, killing, confiscating properties of ELF loyalists. And organizing and establishing their own infrastructure from ground up.

            7.7 – Not only ELF didn’t like what the Woyane were doing, but also, ELF was powerful enough to stop them from dismantling its infrastructures and harassing its loyal supporters. And the Woyanes and their loyal supporters got angrier and angrier each passing day and were retaliating against ELF loyalists unfairly and at times violently. And as things got escalated between Woyanes and ELF, blood started boiling and every Eritrean became an ELF loyalist.

            7.8 – The Woyanes and their supporters were saying – here Eritreans who amassed wealth in our land were “bossing” our people for decades. But today, thanks to Woyane, we are not going to allow ELF and its supporters to boss us around (tell us what to do) in our land. And this kind of resentment of Tigrean fighters and ordinary civilians alike, was that led to bloodshed and eviction of Eritreans.

            7.9 – And that leads us to the question – what did EPLF/PFDJ government did to protect the Eritrean farmers in and around Badme Region? Nothing; nothing at all. But in their defense, like I said before (a) from 1981-1991 they didn’t had strong presence in the area (b) after the 1980 honeymoon, EPLF/PFDJ and TPLF relations has never been good. (c) If there was any EPLF-TPLF relation at all, it was way before 1998 and it was a temporary relation to achieve a short term tactical objective.
            Basically, after ELF was pushed out from the Eritrean Field in 1981, the Woyanes came back with a vengeance and systematically evicted all the Eritreans from both sides of the Badme border region, resettled the area with their people, and renamed the places new Tigrean names.

            8.0 – Therefore, ELF fighters didn’t risk their lives, didn’t shed their blood and tears, didn’t lose their lives to defend a piece of town called Badme. NO. They fought and paid the ultimate price to protect their people regardless were they were. And more of our Tegadeltis and our loyal supporters (ስሩዓት) died, put their lives in harm’s-way, lost their properties in uncontested Ethiopian (Tigrean) territories than they did in the contested Eritrean territories. That is a fact you can check, double-check, and triple check..

            Semere Tesfai

          • sara

            selamat wedi aboy tesfai,
            that is really out of the box response………. i was told by some one who read your response..
            we are in ramadan and and not going much to work due to corna
            closures … hope soon to have more net access to follow the discussion.,

        • Hailemariam Tesfai

          There was such an incident 1972 (EU Cal) when both Governors of Eritrea and Tigrai (Asrate/Megesha) claim for Badme where Asrate brought mass of Comando forces to occupy the area). Upon the counsel of Janhoy-Haileselassie who said “ባድመ የትግራይ ይሁን የኤርትራ፣ የኢትይጵያ ነች” the status remained unresolved until 1980 when TPLF claimed again, and Esayas helped them to force ELF out of Badme.

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            But I do not know anything about the posted picture

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hailemariam Tesfai

            Good to hear (read) from you sir.
            Now, this is the problem with the year, the picture, and the message.

            1. The author (Bahlbi Y. Malk) is an Eritrean; well versed on Eritrean politics at that

            2. – We Eritreans don’t use Geez Calendar; we use Gregorean (European) Caledar by choice. But the author of this article did.

            3. – The slogan of the banner on the long strip of cloth that says “ሓድነት ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ትግራይን ብናይ ቃልሲ ቃልኪዳን ዝተኣሳሰረ’ዩ” – clearly points to the time of EPLF- TPLF honeymoon – as no time before or after that time, has Eritrea-Tigrean cozy relation been seen in Shiraro region.

            The only explanation I can come-up with is, the picture is from Woyane archives, it was taken in 1979/80 in Shiraro and the date was marked as 1972 (Geez Calendar) on the photo, and the author copied it without thinking too much about it.

            Again good to hear from you, and be safe.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            Selam kbur haw Semere Tesfai, Is it Semere Tesfai of Germany or the US? Anyway, I am glad to reconnect again. Yes, as you described him the “author (Bahlbi Y. Malk) is an Eritrean; well versed on Eritrean politics at that..” I agree he is a brilliant young man , and an asset to the nation, but we lived the war, and participated in the battles of 1980 and 1981 EPLF/TPLF Vs ELF in Zara, Metatet then in Barka. It could be very helpful to the conversation if Brother Saleh Gadi could repost the article I wrote 12-15 years ago detailing the Badme conflict of 1980-81. A year before that Tegadalay Meles, Siye, and others went to the ELF Head Quarters of the time Alet Barka (ዓሌት ባርካ) to ask a peaceful transfer of the land/Badme which was rejected automatically. This part of our history is not known to the young men like Bahlbi, and I ask Saleh Gadi again to re-post or copy and paste the content as is. Thank you for engaging me in the conversation.

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            I also urge Mr. Bahlbi to clearly identify the forces in Ethiopia, and in Eritrea who align themselves with an independent Eritrea or a Federated/United Eritrea with Ethiopia. These forces are now easily, and clearly identifiable, and our issue begins from there.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Hailemariam,

            Unless I am mistaken Asrate Kassa was no longer governor in 1972. Also the only movement in the region seriously wishing to nullify Eritrean statehood seems to be the so called Agazian movement which is the natural offspring of ethno nationalism TPLF style and may turn out be the biggest danger to the state of Eritrea.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz g
            U r right , both in 1972 ec or 1972 Gregorian calendar asrate kassa was no longer governor in eritrea.
            this people r funny or externally dam, i think they r the first ethno nationalist openly accepted the secession of thier own “ethnic” and after 30 good years, they established pathetic “agazian”,
            by the way ras seum mengesha mother from wallo and ras mengesha is temben, if this dude ht know the real history of temben, he will not say, what he said .

          • Aligaz G

            Teodros,

            During the monarchy all the ruling elites constantly intermarried and are related not just the Shum Tembiens with Wello etc. You might even say they (the ruling elites) intermarried so much they created a Horn wide super ethnic group and as you well know PIA is a member. Incidentallythere are nteresting examples of similar royal behaviour in Europe. For example The House of Windsor is actually Saxburg and Gotha.

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            I don’t think it is General Debebe Hailemariam. Who so ever was Enderasie at the time.

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            Selam Aligaz, Yes, I agree, Agazian is a dangerous movement that should be condemned. But, its founder “Eyob or similar original name” is a man from Maitemenai Asmara who changed his name to Tesfazion-“the hope’of zion” with a flag behind him. True, there are a few Tigreans who sympathize with them; but if there are any TPLF leadership or members involved-it should seriously be addressed with TPLF party.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Hailemariam

            While Agazian is not a TPLF movement per se it is a logical outgrowth of ethno nationalism or irredentism if you will. After all their ideology is simply a mash up of Marxist Lennist themes crossed with ethno nationalism.

          • Paulos

            Selam Aligaz,

            Agazian is a fringe. That is all. But for a reason hard to fathom, it is getting undeserved spot light where the alleged leader can not even make a case for it in an articulate way where it is a clap-trap Fascist monotone.

            Not sure in hidden dimensions, but here on Earth, Axumite Kingdom is long gone where Italy can not bring back the Roman Empire in these day and age so to speak. Nations are founded on ideas not on nostalgia of an obsolete glory.

            To my knowledge, no TPLF leader endorses what the loony Agazian alleged leader is blubbering. A certain Weyane General was seen conversing with Eyob and people particularly PFDJ took the picture to the bank to make a cheap capital on it.

            I am sure you are familiar with the “Lamp Post” story. A wasted drunk guy was coming out from a Bar and heading to his car. As it happened, he couldn’t find his car key. And headed to the Lamp Post to look for it. A passer by asked him what he was looking for. And he said, I am looking for my lost key. And the passer by said, is that where you lost your key? The drunk guy said, no but it is better to look under the light instead of the dark near the car. Point being, the article is trying to find the solution for Eritrea’s predicament in the wrong place with wrong reasoning.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos,

            At this point in time there are no good solutions for Eritrea’s predicament. Strangely there is a leadership vacuum meaning PIA will continue for the foreseeable future. And dont forget vacuums are perfect for the creation of strange movents such as Agazianism and all movement are fringe to begin with anyway.

          • Paulos

            Selam Aligaz,

            Leadership vacuum, say you? Every political space is pervaded by Isaias including the psych of the people al’a Stalin when he made the Russians believe that he watches every move they make and every breath they take—and there is a term for it—Totalitarianism.

            I agree with you that, in desperate times people tend to resort to spurious stuff including conjuring up conspiracy theories, externalizing blames among other things where the Agazian thing would not have seen the light of day if Eritrea was in good standing and if Isaias had lived up to his ideals during the thirty years long struggle.

            The reality is that Eritrea is an independent and sovereign nation. There is no going back! People can claim this and that but again that is the hard fact they need to live with. That said however, there could be a political solution for any demand Ethiopia poses–claiming a historic right as in an access to the sea, for instance. The era of Irredentism is long gone but if any, one needs to find a solution for it through the art of politics not through populist movement or flexing muscles.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos,

            Irredentism is thriving in the Horn and the guys leading the charge are experts. The weakness of Eritrea just makes things more dangerous. Can you give me an individual, an ideology or even a party that has widespread acceptance in Eritrea?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            The core demand of the people as in Constitutionalism, rule of law, political institutions, civic institutions, respect for human rights among others have a wider acceptance in Eritrea where the supporters of the regime are dwindling in number by the day.

            On the other hand, the strength of the regime is widespread security machine or apparatus where it can not sell any ideology if any a caricature of sorts laced with lies and deception.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos,

            Everybody “knows” what the “people” need or want. But you still have not identified a viable leader or even ideology. Seems like a vaccum to me.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m jealous of that drunk person. At least he found the lamp post to search for his lost keys. I could not locate the lamp post despite my efforts. Lamp post like አምደብርሃን!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Good one! Your legendary ሰምና ወርቅ dwarfs ኣባ-ገብረሃና. Really!

          • Abi

            Paul
            You put me on the highest pedestal.
            ኧረ በዕለተ ሰንበት እግዚኦ በል! እኔንም ይዘህ ሲኦል እንዳትወርድ:: ወራጅ አለ!!
            አቢ ገብረሃና:))

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You should see me laughing. I am sure ኣባ-ገብረሃና would agree with me.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ከሄዱም ላይቀር ሲኦል ከወረዱ
            እየሳቁ እንጂ እየቀለዱ!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Ato Hailemarian,

            Good to see you here after a long tine.

            What is the reason why some Eritreans always seem to edge and can’t seem to find any good reason at all, specially beneficial to Eritrea.

            This small minority group seem to always find a way to be in power and dictate our faith for yes good reason?

            If they can’t see live without Ethiopia, why can’t they simply pack and leave.

            Berhe

          • Hailemariam Tesfai

            Berhe, We are not to far from gaining an independent Eritrea equal to all citizens.

  • Nitricc

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    HMMMMM it is good to know the truth.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam all. This article is coyly written in the interests of the TPLF. To say that the ‘PFDJ and TPLF leadership are deflecting from the main issue that sustained the border deadlock each for different reasons’ is simply wrong and in nauseating repetition from what we have been hearing from the folks at Tigrai Online for the past 2 decades. The matter is plan and simple: The TPLF has been illegally occupying Badme for two decades -Full Stop!
    You say that Badme has no economic of sentimental value? Really! Aside from a war that cost the lives of thousands of Eritrean, the river basin on the Badme corridor offers one of the very few locations in Eritrea where a large-scale dam/reservoir can be constructed.
    You have already revved up the RPMs on your tachometer in terms of fomenting religious over awareness….now time for you to run and start beating your war drums and give reason to the TPLF to continue to illegally occupy Eritrean land.

    • Abi

      Hello Mokie
      Welcome back. I almost missed you:)

      • Mokie Berhe

        Thanks Abi. I am now on 1-month R&R during which time I will enjoy as many Barolo wines from the north and Primativo wines from the south, as I can. Would have been a lot nicer if there would be a few bars and restaurants open in my area. Strange coincidence in that last night (after half a bottle down) I ended up watching an old movie called Omega Man. I am now looking very closely at the eyes of those few that I see walking in the streets. A fitting song for these crazy COVID times? Google ‘Shooting Star Just Friends’ and sit back and enjoy. Shooting Star is an old forgotten rock back known by only a few….perhaps Simon Kaleab would know.

  • Brhan

    Hello Mr. Bahlibi
    Thank you for your article that knocked at the many doors of the issue and also to your insight for solutions. I wanted to add my input as I have thought that you either did not address them at all of if you did , with less emphasis:

    To have good relationship between Eritrea and Ethiopia, the door is through Tigray. As long as the region of Tigray and Eritrea are not in good terms, it is impossible to achieve that goal. And now it seems that two sides are like that of divorced couple with some passion. Our role is to lead that passion rationally as you did but in addition to these

    It is true, EPLF and TPLF were allies not only in fighting common enemy, the King and then the Derg, but also in removing ELF from the grounds of Eritrea. This is rosy side of the story but the other side tells that there were many times that they were at odds. I won’t go back in detail in the past (pre PF(DJ) or EPRDF) but it worth to mention one, which is the blockage of food assistance by EPLF to Tigray during late 80s which has been a thorny issue between the two sides.

    a. Firstly, comes the Badme war. Here my point is not to dig about who started the war. There is literature in this, that point to the PF(JD) which in itself has come with research and study, including its researcher, Alemseged Tesfay’s analysis, that point to TPLF. My point is was it necessary for the Ethiopian army to go as far as Teseney. This had resulted to displacement of peaceful Eritreans.They were left behind by the Eritrean army ( which failed to provide relocation, let alone protection) which told them to flee to the Sudan. I know you can say the protection of Eritrean people lies on their government, but do not you think that by invading unnecessary and undisputed West Eritrean towns, the TPLF by itself has created a enmity between these Eritreans and itself in particular and the people of Tigray in general. Is not a right thing for the ruling regime in Tigray and their elites to present a kind of apology to these Eritreans?

    b. The issue of deportation. It is crystal clear when it comes to the issue of deportation due to Badme war, it is the TPLF and not EPLF that caused a lot of harm both in quantity and quality. The number of Eritrean deportees that reached close to 70,000 is not an issue but the way how they were deported. Some lost their life, some become paralyzed due to trauma , some lost their minds, families were separated, and properties were lost. You article did not address this issue properly. It is known some of the Eritreans who were deported have returned to Ethiopia and met with loved ones and also were able to collect their properties, but this is a stich to the wound, and it did not heal it. There need to be a formal apology from the Tigray region government. It is true that this government not only hosting Eritrean refugees in Tigray but also it has allowed some of the refugees to have access to work and study. This is good thing, but it is half side of the story and the other half, the acknowledgement that the deportation of peaceful Eritreans was wrong, giving apology and compensation are the right ways to heal this particular wound. It has been practiced worldwide, like the US and Canada who presented formal apology and compensation to their citizens of Japanese origin after WW2.

    c. The participation of many persons of Tigray origin in the former Ethiopian government institutions such as the intelligence, security and propaganda institutions, that caused harm to Eritrea people, harm that reached to the arrest, persecution and killing of peaceful Eritreans. Why the Tigrayan elites are not talking about the ነጭ ለባሽ ካድሬዎች የቀበሌ/ከፍተኛ/ከነማ ሃላፊዎች ? To heal a wound, first you have to acknowledge that there was a wound and then present the cure which can be also translated in the form of apology and regret. Here some can indicate the late Melez Zenawe’s famous speech about the wound (though he did not specify it, was this one in his mind in addition to blockage of food assistance by the EPLF to the people of Tigray during the starvation years of the 80s) and closed the file. Yes, he did. But later during the Badme, war as mentioned above, he not only invaded western Eritrea but also destroyed its agriculture , burned the Koran in the mosque and displaced thousand Eritreans. Thus, the wound was not only touched but scratched badly and made that famous speech disappear like a smoke in the air.

    d. Do not assume I am blaming one side. This one mostly lies on the Eritrean side with a little presence in the Tigray side. This relate to the long psychological warfare unleashed against the people of Tigray. It is time now that we Eritreans make the “ዓ” word illegal like that of “N”, word of the US. Now we see Eritreans from both sides ( pro and against the government) use the word in addition to “ትግራዋይ – ወያኔ- ተንቤየናይ ( this one is dedicated to Isaias) to discredit the value an Eritrean political figure. The word has been used negatively and has been a household commodity to many Eritreans when they want to insult even an Eritrean that they think not modern. To stop the racist idea of we “are higher and they are lower,” Eritreans , particularly those in the opposition group must stop of criticizing the Eritrean government officials and its supporters ( even if they are Eritrean of Tigray origin) as Tigrayan/ Ethiopians just to discredit their value.
    I said little presence in other side because comparing to the Eritrean side of slur to the other the word ባንዳ is insignificant to cause emotional harm. Not all Eritreans were ባንዳ but the “A” word has been used negatively to all who come from Tigray.
    e. Last but not least the two sides must stop in interfering in each side’s internal politics. Isaias has said he won’t keep silent on what is going on in Ethiopia. Likewise , the Tigray region government is providing support to some Eritrean political groups that oppose the Eritrean regime.
    In the end let me go back the love hate relationship between the two. They are the key to peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Both think they are good warriors (they are) but the fact that they are missing is that one can’t impose hegemony on the other. And this because they are neighbours. Neighbors have to leave in peace. And lasting peace is achieved with mutual respect and balanced term and hegemony.

  • Abi

    Hello Awatenation
    “ The alliance between the Eritrean and Tigrayan people is a covenance solidified by a common struggle”, Shiraro, Tigray , 1972.
    I’m not sure about this covenant for a common good. It has always been a covenant based on convenience.

    Am I the only one sensing that the author doesn’t mind the creation of Agazian nation as long as Eritreans initiated it? Or Eritreans are on the driver’s seat?
    The author also alluded if Tigray needs to be independent, it needs the blessings of the more powerful and united Eritrea in the region. His advice for tplf leaders is don’t mess with Eritrea, you will need us upon independence.

    • Kaddis

      Selam Abi

      I see it more as protecting the rein of Shabia – the writer is not bothered by Isiais meddling in Ethiopian politics but he is rightly worried – it gives motivation for TPLF or Tigray civil society to work inside Eritrea.. which may create the needed tension to challenge Isiaias.

      • Abi

        Kaddis
        Are you saying the author is encouraging Tplf or Tigray society to work inside Eritrea?
        How is he different from the Agazian crew?
        The more I think about it, the more I’m confused.
        Please help me out here. what is the gist of the article? I suspected he is pro Tplf as long as they stay in the designated lanes (which is absolutely alright). I also suspected he is a pro Agazian as long as the movement is led by Eritreans.
        እስቲ ይገባኝ እንደሁ በሚገባኝ ቋንቋ ንገረኝ::

        • Kaddis

          Hello Abi –

          I responded to David above..my understanding is the writer has fear the current status quo ( balanced Islam Christian mixed narrative?) in Eritrea could be disrupted by the Agazian movement Tplf seems to promote / support. The social alliance that is getting stronger is very anti Islam ..etc…He is fine with Tigray become independent as long as it wont become the Agazian mecca / Jerusalem of the north ( laugh here) …

          I have no knowledge about this Agazian movement, I dont find such contents in many influential tigray activists page.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kaddis and Abi,

            I cannot put my head around Tigray becoming an independent country and as to who is supporting it, other than the enemies of Ethiopia.
            There is no Ethiopia without Tigray. I can add, can you imagine Ethiopia without the Amharas or Oromos in it.
            So, I don’t understand this theoretical mambo jumbo.

            (Excuse me for my precise identification method, if it is not the correct terms these days.)
            The Mekele Tegre and Asmara Tegre are not just brothers and sisters in our neck of the woods, they are twins. They naturally gravitate towards each other, in spite of ALL the neighbors who don’t like the implied implications of it.
            Divided as they were and are, each is a formidable entity in there own right. You add them up and all the neighborhood begins to ohu ohuta …gathering and forming all the strange political bedfellows.

            I hope this deformity we have lived with for generations is not exploited to bring calamity to our respected countries. It is not good to either one of us except our mortal enemies.
            Let us not forget, our mortal enemies have unlimited buying power and we have to keep our eyes and ears open at all times.

            I hope the diaspora intellectuals and leaders don’t usher in additional catastrophe on their poor old homeland.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            km
            I don’t care what u r doing, maybe u r probably trying to win heart and mind but based on social, economical and geography, there is no ethiopia with out oromo or amara but as there is ethiopia without eritrea, there is definitely a better and strong ethiopia with out tigrai. based on every logic tigrai is a curse for ethiopia, economically, politically and socially. what is present day tigrai contribution to ethiopia? economy or looting? Stable poltics or division/distraction? tell us something that make sense.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I think you make a lot of sense sometimes even thought I don’t agree with you on many occasions.

            What I want to suggest and please take it as it is intended, there is no group think, or group agenda, or group advocacy here, at least that is organized that I am aware. It’s possible people with the same ideas and in common to find a common group they agree on. But do not run into conclusion there is some sort of grouping around.

            Everyone stands for his / her own ideas and please leave that suspicion out.

            That’s why you see my friend Hope gets into a lot of trouble:) unnecessary headache he creates for himself and others.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe a
            Most of the time they r discussing and arguing thier own fabricated news, they r pretending to argue from different angles to make only one point. berhe , it is clear, they r one group ideology advocates, pretending they r arguing.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I am sorry I don’t agree. For example, I have know Kim Hanna for a long time here in awate and he has like most Ethiopians have Ethiopian interest at heart but by no means he is pro this or pro that and make arguments for the sake of arguing. He is as a nice person as they can come who wants nothing but to see a stable and peaceful in the region and that includes Eritrea.

            That’s why I wanted to respond to you because I felt you are making a generalization and I think a wrong assumption.

            So if you stick to your arguments to the points he made is sufficient in my opinion without adding the other assumptions. It doesn’t add much to the points you are trying to make.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            To know km writing, u have to know eprdf’s nation and nationalities ideology, propaganda styles and pr styles. It is clear. call me crazy or what ever, i even suspect some of them even works at the gov/kilil medias in ethiopia..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I don’t think KH is EPRDF but what if he is EPRDF member or supporter? Aren’t EPRDF also Ethiopians? Like I said go after his ideas, regardless where his political opinion lies.

            I don’t know it makes any difference but he said on my occasions that he said he is amhara from Shoa. Do you really have any reason to doubt him?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            U twisted the point. I believe he is amara from shawa, most probably son of nefetegna that born in oromia or south, born outside of addis/sheger, amara kilil or tigrai kilil. Most of ethio youtubers that advocates same things r nefetegna amaras. the point is not who they r or what poltical parties they r supporting, the point is they r working as one advocacy group, as a team.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I wasn’t trying to twist your point and like I started my intention was honest.

            But since you seem to what’s on people hearts and minds, so I don’t think it’s worth to continue.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I know, u got nothing to say, other than trying to twisting the fact

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I know from the beginning, u got nothing to say other than trying to twist the fact .
            by the way what happen to ur bff isem kesselawe, i was expecting he would be the first to comment about kessela news,

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Teodros,

            “Never argue with stu… people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

            You know, when Mark Twain was thinking about people like you when he said that.

            Since you understand tigrina አነ ይገድድ ምሳኻ የኹድድ. I don’t know the equivalent in Amharic.

            I learned my lesson, time to move on.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            U the one started the argument, i did not say any thing that can offend u like this, u must be with some kind of fight with ur bff isem g, it looks like u came sad.
            what a twisted idoi agm.
            u expect people just to believe what u guys lie here with out asking questions? U probably think , people in this forum think u r from asmera, eritrean? No, people knows u r agm tigrai,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Teodros Alem,

            I speak French and only French, you speak Portuguese, only Portuguese. So why not agree to smile at each other when we meet every time and wave good by. Gabito! It is so simple.

            Mr K.H

          • David Samson

            Ciao K.H
            Si Capito Signore!

          • Teodros Alem

            km
            Who told u i speak Portuguese, i don’t and i know u r Q and told berhe earlier but i didn’t know u can speak french..
            How u gonna wave?

          • Abi

            Hello Mr Kim
            I believe there is always Ethiopia without Tigray. If they don’t want to live with us as equals, they can always leave us.
            I’m not going to lose an afternoon nap over Tigray.
            ትግራይ ቅርንጫፍ እንጂ ግንድ አይደለም:: እንዳንድ ግዜ ቅርንጫፉን መግረዝ ለዛፉ ጤንነት ወሳኝ ነው::

          • Nitricc

            I’m not going to lose an afternoon nap over Tigray

            Hey Abiy; the Tigryans are coming for you. You lost your sleep over Eritrea for 29 years and you won’t even lose a nap for the golden people?

          • Abi

            General
            I have learned my lesson. መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላቸው ብሏል ታላቁ መሪ መለስ ዜናዊ::

          • Selam Abi,

            “There will be no Ethiopia without Tigray” is much more rhetorical. On the contrary, pragmatism would rather tell us that “there will be no Tigray without Ethiopia”. As you very well said, the same holds true for Amara or Oromo states, and others, and if a branch of a tree breaks away, it will wither away and its survival becomes questionable.
            Ethiopia is not a resort hotel, where one stays as long as tplf likes the services, and leaves when the service is no more to their liking.
            Ethiopia can’t continue to see when tplf stands with one leg within the federation and the other outside the federation, and interprets the constitution according to its interests. It can’t have it both ways.
            Even the PM has stopped babysitting tplf anymore, and he seems to have taken off the gloves, and he is telling tplf enough means enough, and he will take severe measures if tplf dares carry out elections. Whatever that means, most probably economic measures, we will see.
            Patience is not fear. If tplf remains a liberation front and the unfinished job is greater tigray, it is up to tplf to try and accomplish it whenever it wants. Why should anybody beg tplf to stay, provided it wants to go, unless it uses it to blackmail ethiopia. At a certain point it should make a choice. For ethiopia, there will be a way out.
            There is a sort of scapegoating, from what i see. It is the people of tigray that wants independence much more than tplf. That is a lie. it is the propaganda of tplf that made the people of tigray uneasy and not the relation on the ground with the rest of ethiopia. Tplf is cultivating the siege and victimhood mentality and at the same time it says it is not for secession with the aim to blame the people for its own actions.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            You said it very well.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,

            I am sorry to hear you say that. I hope the people have not changed that much. I wish there was a way of taking an authentic poll of the desires of the people of Tigray and others. It is a difficult country to manage in the way it is being managed. However, the unique history, culture and religion (good looks) that binds these people together is stronger than it appears.These fleeting political parties may make a narrow stand on some point, but if the interest of their people is at the heart of their belief, they have to keep struggling from inside the tent no matter what. It is not as simple as one group departs and the others just coalesce in to a new form, chances will be ripe to disintegrate to the joy of our eternal enemies. In fact I believe that might be more likely than not or worse civil war.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hello Mr Kim
            This time around Ethiopians should waste no time, energy, financial resources for babysitting adults.
            Hopefully, the upcoming election that they are determined to conduct should be the last one as Ethiopians. I’m expecting the usual መቶ በመቶ. They have to beat the Eritrean referendum which was less than 100% vote for independence.

          • Teodros Alem

            km
            One little correction, according to the constitution ethiopia’s nations and nationalities don’t have a unique history and culture that binds them together and according to the constitution religion and politics/gov has to be separated.
            u guys has to stop using the constitution when u need it and ignore it when u don’t need it.

          • Nitricc

            The Mekele Tegre and Asmara Tegre are not just brothers and sisters in our neck of the woods, they are twins. They naturally gravitate towards each other,

            Hey Kim; You are wrong on the above statement of yours. Eritreans trying to distance as far as they can to no avail. Did you how many times the TPLF top heads called upon the Eritrean people? Eritreans lost count but I have never heard PIA or any Eritrean calling to the Tigryan people, never. SO your point they are twins is absurd. What the TPLF thugs doing is, playing with your emotions. How are they going to be come independence? If I was an Ethiopian, I will give them their independence on the platter. What are they going with it? Trust they will die out in six months. They are playing you, since you dumb them, they are mad as hell. So, you are wrong to say they are twins. No, the Tigryans couldn’t find the courage and the pride to be themselves, doesn’t make the two twins, far from it.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Kim

            I am not so much worried about Tigray becomes independent – but the power brokers in the country that is making the decision. Its not just Tigray is becoming independent (its accelerating) but Ethiopia is becoming ungovernable. The power brokers just dont care as long us we end up weak, divided, exploited …. The clueless center, after consuming hate on ESAT for 10 years, thinks the center will always be safe. Or be called Ethiopia. Which part? I dont know. Oromia is losing hope on the transitional process and the insurgency is growing …there is no shortage of weapon in the horn. Add the religious tension promoted by 4 killo …its very scary.
            So, Ethiopia could be dying on Tigray, not the other way around

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kaddis,
            Hope you are doing great.
            You do not find such abrasive content in Tigray activist content because the Target is Eritrea. And there, you may not be able to tell who is Eritrean and who is Tigrayan. But extremists from both sides are on the despicable offensive targeting Eritrean, particularly Muslims. Sorry, but that is the reality from our side. And they have forces empowering them from the South.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Saleh –
            Yes, these things strictly happen in Tigrigna and not yet a mainstream discussion among the influential spaces. Since this is not yet mainstream – why leave then the biggest risks coming from Isiais dealing with a Unitary, irredentist power who doesn’t recognise Eritrea at all ?

            Abiy and Isiais are playing with fire dreaming – Abiy to use Isiais to press on Tigray, channel gulf money without losing Abay and control of the nation? And Isiais is gambling with the Unitary camp while pressing Tigray but still want 100% control of Eritrea?

            We made some progress lobbying the Oromo activists to openly stand against Isias involvement …and they are coming out of thier shell also showed the potential to ally with Tplf. Tplf is doing well setting the election agenda as well…lets hope Eritrean opposition to keep the channel open for any strategic alliance. The risk coming on the horn is serious ….the gulf pivot to the horn is going to be disastrous

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kaddis,
            That has been my position and I can claim I am among the first few (if not the first) who openly expressed my anxiety about Abiy’s politics. I wrote and spoke warning against the joint plan Abiy and Isaias were pursuing, and their obvious backers. But after all of that, I am now witnessing disappointing involvement by some Tigrayans who are fattening the extremists and bigots. The bigot fascists are coming in many colors and names and are being empowered in Tigrai by some elements . Obviously i have an issue with that.

      • David Samson

        Selam Kaddis,
        IA has been meddling in Ethio politics since 1991. Not long time ago, he was arming any party or movement who opposed the then EPRDF government. IA even went the extra mile to accommodate forces which do not believe in the state of Eritrea and global jihadists as well. IA had failed to unseat the Woyanes from Finfina and was resigned to live in his retirement home: Adi Halo.

        As ever as an opportunist, he grabbed it when the Medemer PM had handed him another lease of life. His supporters were jubilant when he wrote the Woyanes off by declaring “Game Over”. It is now just under three-years since Game is still on. I am not sure if you know there was a formidable writer at Awate by the name of “Seraye”. His famous quotation has become a legend and in fact as immortal words. “everything Shabia touches turns to ashes”.

        The Medemer PM has raised the temperature by declaring war on the Woyanes or call it as a bluff. How do you see things playing out? The Woyanes are going ahead with election while the PM saying dare so at your own perils.

        • Paulos

          Selam David,

          I agree. Isaias has invested hugely on Gimbot 7 [Birhanu Nega], and several other opposition groups including ESAT for almost a decade and he is looking for dividend. His hubris is in fact goes as far as claiming that, it was him who has brought Abiy to power and that is precisely the reason he is squeezing hard everyone’s b*lls.

          The other day, an often idiotic dude—I think his name is Ermias who hosts 360 News was lamenting when he said, “We asked Isaias to help us out to get rid off the Weyanes but not to the extent of meddling in Ethiopia’s affairs.” This is how stupid these guys are who took the rabid dog Isaias for a Kitten to play with. As in the Cartel world, once you’re in, you don’t come out. And Isaias is deeply in and really in where he is the most feared person in Ethiopia save in Tigrai as this very moment. That is how it all starts, Syria in Lebanon for instance.

          Moreover, the only viable force that can stop Isaias is TPLF but on the other hand, if TPLF and Tigrai are weakened not only Isaias will be the sole King-Maker in Ethiopia as he will eventually fight each other off—the forces in Ethiopia including Abiy’s factions—, the Eritrean Opposition will not have any bulwark to lean on as they naively help Isaias by attacking TPLF as the article attests. From a realistic and strategic point of view, creating an alliance with TPLF particularly at this crucial moment seems viable for the Opposition but of course they are not opting for that–reminiscing and psychoanalysing TPLF instead.

        • Abi

          Hello David
          You and many Eritreans are saying that Abiy provided Isu a badly needed life support. Tell me what would have happened to Isu and his administration if Abiy didn’t provide him the support? You sound like you were about to remove Isu from power if Abiy didn’t interfere. Almost!
          It is all a blame game for your weaknesses in removing Isu. Isu has been wrecking havoc on Eritreans for at least two decades. You haven’t done anything tangible to remove him. Now you are blaming Abiy for your collective failures. Nice try.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abi,

            Few pointers:

            “Now you are blaming Abiy for your collective failures”.

            Where did I blame Abiy? Do not read what’s is on your mind, but written.

            Abiy Could not give any life to IA if he does not have his own. Abiy did not come to power to rescue IA but rather, IA used the
            opportunity that was created in Ethio to extend his life in power. If the Woyane had stayed in the capital, the fate of IA would have been sealed. The chap was running out of oxygen in his Adi-Halo hideout.

            “weaknesses in removing Isu”.

            I do not want to put all opposition in one basket, but I have
            been saying in black and white, I, as part of the opposition, has not only failed, but failed miserably. I can not spin it. I raised my hands decades ago and I do not fret from it. But I am only speaking for myself. Do you now feel better?

            “havoc on Eritreans for at least two decades”

            This is an understatement. It is over 50 years. As you
            know there have been many theories as to why IA has deep hatred toward Eritrea and Eritreans. Is it his genes or his background?

          • Abi

            David
            I respectfully disagree with your assertion that Isu would have gone had woyane stayed on power.
            No Sir. Weyanes care less about Eritreans at all. What they did to the opposition is a testament for their mischievous actions. As SGJ once said “ Ethiopia is a burial place for the oppositions “. Woyane incapacitated the potential opposition parties.
            Weyanes care less if Isu abused Eritreans. Why should they? As far as they are concerned, Isu can stay at the helm till kingdom comes. Now it is a different story.

        • Kaddis

          Selam David –

          As Gash Paulos properly put it below – we are in the Ozark moment ( in the cartel for a good reason) I fondly remember Seray.

          I did not complain IA involves in our affairs, cause thats how the world politics works. If you find a kid running a nation or help him get there – you meddle as much as possible. I am sure Eritreans could be feeling a little butterfly thinking the small nation can bully Ethiopia. I can’t blame them. :- )

          I just found the writers position a little funny -Isiaias moves are ok but worried it may justify tigray Agazi movement attracting Eritreans, to appreciate Tigray as a core state to eventually risk the Eritrean nation. Tigray can use many things for deterrence or resistance; many suspect they kept the fire in Amhara region when they felt aggression by Amhara insurgents the last two years. The same could happen in Eritrea.

          The Medemer PM depends so much on foreign powers since he doesn’t have any social base here. Thats why Sudan didn’t even blink to switch to Egypt. Egypt comes with a global package – what will they get from Ethiopia? The dam has lost its prominence when the engineer was killed. So, the future depends on how much the local organised powers (tigray and Oromo) play out with the geopolitical powers – not necessarily with Abiy. The election now is as equally important for Egypt than Abiy. The mixed parliament post election ( if it had happened ) would not sign a Trump brokered nile paper. Isiais will not be in the current position with a coalition government. Election is a treat for Egypt and Isias.

          In Ethiopia the power centers remained the same (with marginal shifts) since the last two years – i,e Tigray, the Organised oromo and Bilstegina/ ex Eprdf ( demographically more Amharic ) You can broadly categorize as federalist and Unitarian powers as well. My hope is – because one can not defeat the other – they better get a long term deal through competitive election. But that kind of deal will float the new geopolitical players so …the risk for violence is still very high.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            Brilliant! Thank you.

    • Aligaz G

      Abi,

      I agree with you the writing is unclear. As you noted we cant even be sure if the author is against some sort of union unless on his own terms. Anyway cant have your cake and eat it too

      • Abi

        Hello Aligaz
        Welcome back !!! It has been a very long time since you showed up.
        I usually understand 50 % of any article. I failed miserably to understand this article.
        Anyway, I’m glad you are around. That is 100% !
        “ኧረ የጁ የጁ ገራዶ ገራዶ”አለ የወሎ ዘፋኝ

        • Aligaz G

          Thanks Bro

          Actually I have been trying to keep up with the discussions but too busy. But then Covid put everything into lockdown so here I am.. Interesting how some articles provoke while others are just ignored

    • Nitricc

      Hey Abiy; I read it twice and I can’t angle it. who ever wrote it, he or she is a seasoned politician. You when a good politicians talk and you listen, you thought you understand what they are saying then you go home try to replay what they have said, and you have nothing and lost.

      • Abi

        General
        Now you know why I despise politics and politicians.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Abi,

      You know I am slow but I don’t get what you are saying. I think the quote is translating what the slogan the picture saying. It’s not the authors words.

      In fact I think the title of the article is in response that the double speak.

      Berhe

      • Abi

        Hawna Berhe
        No you are not slow. You are extremely slow. What I’m saying is the covenant is based on convenience. It has never been on conviction.
        You are becoming slower extremely fast:)

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          If I am extremely slow, then you are extremely (I will not say the word:) not to understand Eritrean people wish.

          How do you explain this then “Am I the only one sensing that the author doesn’t mind the creation of Agazian nation as long as Eritreans initiated it? Or Eritreans are on the driver’s seat? ”

          I don’t know there was any tine in our history that we enjoyed peaceful relationship with Tigray. Based on my understanding, never. I am not implying people to people relationship.

          So by now you should now, there is no Eritrean who wants to see a peaceful and prosperous Eritrea would wish any union with Tigray, because it will be at the expense of other Eritreans.

          The only Eritreans who always want that are those who are “Nebsa misay liba ms Debesay” lots. Her body is with me but her heart is with Debesay (another man).

          Their body is in Eritrea but their heart is with Tigray.

          The other day the good professor said, Tigray should go it’s own way and join Eritrea. Eritrea to provide economic leadership, and Tigray to provide political leadership.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You are saying that there was no time in your history that you had enjoyed a peaceful relationship with Tigray.
            Well, I have seen you guys loving each other like there is no tomorrow between the years 91-98. I’m not surprised if you forgot the honeymoon period since you were hopelessly drunk during those years. You were in love when you looted Ethiopia in broad daylight. Like the typical thieves ስትሰርቁ ተስሞምታችሁ ስትካፈሉ ተጣላችሁ::

            ሰውነቷ ካንተ ልቧ ከደበሳይ
            ሸውዳህ ስትሄድ ጥላህ ካደባባይ
            ቻለው ወንድምአለም በኔም ደርሶብኛል
            1991 ብዙ አሳይቶኛል
            ጏደኛ ተብዬው በቀኑ ክዶኛል
            በኔ የደረሰ ባንተ እንዳይደርስብህ
            ፈጠን ብለህ ንቃ እንቅልፍ አይውሰድህ
            ምንድነው ይህ መፍዘዝ ምንድነው መኝታ
            ሃውና በርሄ አይዞህ ተበራታ
            ላካሏም ለልቧም ፈልግለት ቦታ
            ደበሳይን ግጨው አጣድፈው በቡኛ
            ካንተ አስኮብልሎ እጎኗ እንዳይተኛ

          • Bahlbi M.

            Hi Berhe
            I think you misread the article. Please read it again. The main purpose of the article is to highlight the dangerous and toxic nature of those extremists. I would never argue that Eritrean poison is better than Tigrayans.

  • Mengisteab Araya

    The border conflict is no excuse for Eritrea’s lack of basic economic and human rights standards. The State of Tigray has its issues too. However, if Eritrea could get its act together we would have a thriving Tigray and beautiful Eritrea. Dont need to be one, just good neighbors. The article didnt need to be so elaborate. The details and the research done is impressive. But the simple fact that domestic and diaspora Eritreans have failed their country is the main reason why we are here. How can this tyrant keep ruling? How can you put any blame in the neighboring state that houses it’s own refugees?

    • Mokie Berhe

      Salam Menghisteab Araya. Proud TPLF Millionaires & Billionaires Club down Tigray way has long bragged about their gracious hosting of Eritrean refugees as reason to play deaf, dump and mute when it comes to their illegal occupation of Badme for which they always downplay . Are you serious when you say, that ‘The State of Tigray’ also has issues? That really hard to believe. Congratulations on your Independence!

      • Mengisteab Araya

        Selam Mokie Berhe,
        I understand your points on how it would contribute negatively towards matters in the State of Eritrea. I am focused on why Eritreans can’t see that a serious reformation is needed. Citizens of Tigray are seeking reform too as the current power in office (TPLF) could do a whole heck of a lot better for the state, in politics and economy. I want to see reform in Eritrea for the good of my brothers and sisters in both Eritrea and Tigray for mutual benefits that can potentially come about.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Mengstab; I don’t know but when you lead your people on 15 kilo wheat and a litter of cocking oil per month; I have no idea what kind of reform you are expecting. If Tigray is lucky, if TPLF to dissolve it self gave the power to the younger people. the only way you might save Tigray. Reforming TPLF is a bad idea. They need to trashed.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            “People shouldn’t be afraid of their government, rather the government should be afraid of it’s people” !
            I think we all need to work together as people to push our governments to act. They will continue to do shady things if we do not pressure them. If we cannot then we will all fail. Unite as we once did during the cold war!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Mengisteab,

            Regardless what TPLF, US or anyone else for that matter does, Eritrea should get it’s act together and make the living conditions of it’s citizens better.

            I am sure you are aware of the G-15, journalists and all the opposition inside the country and outside have been advocating for change / reform in Eritrea since 2000. All went to deaf ears, the boarder issue is an issue the PFDJ government of Isayas Afeworki uses to continue to rule illegally.

            Having said that, I think TPLF today or EPRDF yesterday had failed to live up their expectation of a standard government to honour the decision of the court ruling . If the TPLF agreed to the ruling, the Eritrean people have ONE less issue to worry about (and the regime one less excuse) and fight the regime.

            Berhe

          • Mengisteab Araya

            That absolutely makes sense to me and as you have pointed out, there have been efforts to pressure the PFDJ gov’t to bring about change. Aside from the border issue, what options do the Eritreans living domestically, in Ethiopia, and other parts of the world have?. If what was done since 2000 was not enough, the approach in this new decade should be different imho.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mengisteab,

            For better or worst, the Eritrean people are held hostage with the unfinished boarder / war issue with Ethiopia. Not having a regular government with a parliament, and a free media is not making the situation better for most Eritreans to navigate and make an informed decision.

            The Isayas government is using it to it’s advantage to stay longer (not that he cares much) but, the rest within the Eritrean government, like the army, the national service, etc. made them to not organize and mobilize for change. I know it makes no sense but, that’s the case.

            There is unilateral agreement (not based on facts), but the believe that Ethiopia yesterday, today or tomorrow will always be hostile to Eritrea. And the Eritrean people do not sleep with their eyes closed thinking all will be fine. I can say the people are held hostage in your mind that we have this obstacle that we need to overcome..that is live in peace with all the legal norms.

            I don’t think this is far fetched paranoia but based on what we, as country and as people hear that comes directly or indirectly from the Ethiopian side. Before it was the Amhara elite (key bahrachin) and now from the Tigray-Tigrina (most people believe it’s TPLF sponsored) elements.

            The response or no response from TPLF today doesn’t make the situation better. For example.

            1) Isayas Afeworki said in his last interview, TPLF is building houses and arming and making the peace process difficult with their recent activities around Badime.

            a) Dr. Debretsion said nothing to respond to what Isayas have said. He may have a reason not to respond but it doesn’t help the wider Eritrean public to know what’s the fact. What’s stopping TPLF government for example, take Eritrean journalists or others to take to the boarder and refute the claims.

            He said “Eritreans are welcome to Tigray anytine and make Tigray your second home”. This is all nice all good but what exactly does that mean from an Eritrean point of view? If you are an Eritrean refugee, that may be a good gesture and it will be appreciated. But if you are an Eritrean Opposition, an army officer or any other Eritrean who your immediate needs are not escaping from the country, it sounds it has another motive. While he is arming his youth, he wanted the Eritrean youth to escape from the country and weaken the Eritrean army. Other than escaping, there is no real legal way to go and visit Tigray today.

            So what is he driving? Is it part of the larger plan that’s being promoted by the other elements such as those who are calling “Tigray North and Tigray South). is this the reason why TPLF is pulling it’s feet from proceeding with the demarcation?

            In summary, Eritrean method of fighting the Isayas regime depends generally what the state of the country is. As long as there is an external threat or appears to be, Eritreans will put aside their difference and even may be on the side of the government because it’s considered a higher risk to the existing of the country.

            However, when the threat from Ethiopia is not appear to be there, i will give you an example.

            After the 2000 peace agreement

            Eritrean free press, Eritrean members of the parliament (including high ranking officials), Eritreans in Diaspora all were united and pressured the government to implement the constitution and abide by rule of law.

            Eritrean government took a dramatic and risky option at a cost of isolating itself because it had no option that it saw viable at that time. Now if we look at the cost, time, resources, and minimum loss of life to force the government and isolate it. The problem I think, we didn’t have plan B in the event that the government took a drastic action. But because of the action that took place, IA/ Eritrea have paid heavy price and shook the government to it’s core (compared to the support it enjoyed before).

            I think we can say, this may not have seen as a success but the fact that the government has been ranked at the bottom of every possible human rights measure (freedom of the press, human rights, transparency etc) and even sanctioned as well as the government was found guilty of committing crimes against humanity.

            The Ethiopian government refusal of with the boarder demarcation, during the presence of the UN peace keeping or after gave a life to the regime to exploit the thread.

            After peace re-rapprochement with PM Abiy
            Again when the peace with Abiy was appeared to be happening, then Eritreans from around the world and inside the country started to speak up and demand an accountability and towards the rule of law. The Isayas government after the honeymoon almost went into hiding for almost a year devising it’s exist strategy for the pickle it got itself.

            The boarder demarcation was a good opportunity to pressure the regime to make significant reform. Again it appears that, the regime has spinned the lack of progress in normalization with TPLF is using as an excuse to blame the TPLF for lack of progress.

            I wrote about a lot about the Eritrean side, but honestly I don’t know a good reason that come out from TPLF that is convincing what their plans are.

            Now when we hear all kinds of conspiracy against our country, including our union, our sovereignty, our existence is being tested and we (including me), what’s being planned for us.

            TPLF doesn’t seem too honest as a good partner, in my opinion.

            Berhe

            When the peace agreement with Ethiopia was signed in 2000.
            2) When

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Selam Berhe Hawey,
            I understand the points you are raising and the reasoning behind each claim makes sense to me and they have given me perspectives I did not see before. After reading your writing, I have the following feedback and would appreciate your thoughts on them:

            1) I believe IA has never acted on the behalf of his people rather his own agenda. He was not out to get rich as a dictator, nor did he care for the people and the country’s development post 1991. I hold that to be self-evident 30 years later. In any case where any part of the gov’t does not live to serve its people, it is unacceptable. With that being said, what in the world was IA hoping to accomplish since 1991?

            2) I do believe TPLF is a threat. A threat to IA, the stand alone ruler of Eritrea. I do not believe TPLF is a threat to individual Eritreans. I believe that focusing on TPLF will not get Eritreans their end goal which is reform in Eritrea. IA refuses to work with TPLF.

            3) Eritrea needs to move on from IA and leave the TPLF crap behind. Abiy and IA are working to destroy TPLF and TPLF will stand its ground. This is nasty politics from every way and the ppl are the one suffering from it.

            Edited to include this below

            Selam Berhe Hawey,
            TPLF is more likely to be a solution rather than a problem of Eritrea’s. IA and Abiy Ahmed are making it difficult. It’s a power struggle. I don’t believe with Meles in power, TPLF was any threat to Eritrea, IA ruined that partnership and has created enmity between the two parties which sadly has trickled down to the people. I don’t trust govt’s period!!! I trust in ppl. And the specific ppl I trust are the domestic Eritreans and Tegarus rather than the Diaspora. See how they interact, that’s how we should perceive the truth by reading the actual terrain. Peace and love to Eritreans and Tegaru back home Amen.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Mengistab; this is the problem. leave PIA to Eritreans, he is not your problem nor TPLF’s. up hold the deal and leave Eritrean land. The Eritrean people would have stand to PIA if you have had not give him the reason to what he is doing. don’t worry about PIA.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Selam Nitricc hawey,
            I understand your reasoning as to why IA is for Eritreans to deal with directly. I think for general reasons, For the state of Tigray, IA is indeed a problem and someone they ought to keep tabs on.

            But my response to you would be lets remove everything that has to do with the borders and beyond to focus on the inside of Eritrea. If you were PIA, what would you do to improve the standard of living in Eritrea? Do you believe PIA has done well considering the circumstances? Let’s not use the border issue as an excuse, for this conversation, we are considering everything including the border issue, could it be possible for the living situation and economy to be better than it is now since 2000? Has PIA given showed us the best efforts since 2000 given the circumstance he was dealt? That is my ultimate question

          • Nitricc

            But my response to you would be lets remove everything that has to do with the borders and beyond to focus on the inside of Eritrea. If you were PIA, what would you do to improve the standard of living in Eritrea?

            Hey Mengistab; you are missing my point. The border thing can’t be removed with out Bing resolved. After all, it cost thousands of lives. besides; if not resolved legally, that could ignite a future conflict if you ask me, and replaying to you honestly, every misery of Eritreans was created by TPLF. and PIA did more to the Eritrean people more than TPLF thugs did to the people of Tigray. At least he didn’t kept them on 15 kilo ration. He thought the Eritrean people to stand on their on feet, with all its problems. TPLF brought to the people of Tigray; to be hated by the rest of Ethiopians, to be resented by most Eritreans and after all dependency. You seem to a decent guy but your priority is all messed up. Yes, TPLF did its thing but that is in the past, whatever it is. If Tigray, to move on, then it must be without TPLF. they served their purpose. the end.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Nitricc,
            I think you are too concerned about TPLF. If you had a choice between living in Tigray or Eritrea, where would you choose? I ask because many Eritreans have chosen Tigray. This is a reflection of how TPLF governs and how PIA is governing.

            Edited to include below thoughts:
            The truth is on the ground. Read the terrain, what is actually going on versus what is being reported. Doesnt matter what the media is saying. What is true and important is how people are living and then use that information to make your best judgement hawey.

          • Nitricc

            If you had a choice between living in Tigray or Eritrea, where would you choose?

            Hey Mengistab; well If I need Shisha, Khat, committing crime and live lawless life, of course I choose Tigray.I don’t think you have any clue what is going on your Tigray. Your were laughing at Eritreans when they were all over Libya and drawing on the high sea, but look how karam is a b—ch. look how the innocent Tigryans are suffering in Saudi and Yemen. The point is because some Eritreans chose to a have a free food and moved on to Tigray, don’t be mislead about the fact. Eritreans are not all the same, like every society there some lazy and stupid who opted for a free 15 kilo ration. So, who are they moved to Tigray, not that Tigray is better but some opted for the free food that your politicians provide and some or for the Shihsa, alcohol, chat and of course open sexual encounters. That is the truth.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Nitricc kibur hawey,
            That is not what I am talking about. My point is if you had money and could live comfortably, access the internet and anything you desire, this can only be done in Tigray. However, there are limitations in Eritrea. You and I are the same, we love Tigrinya music food culture bahli….and eventually we want to live in a place where we are surrounded by it. I am just saving money until i can get out of America. Now, if we wanted to live free and comfortably, the PIA gov’t wouldnt allow us, but TPLF would.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Nitricc hawey,
            Where do you live? Eritrea, Tigray Europe? Which continent do you live in right now?

          • Nitricc

            Hello Kibur Mengstab; now I see the difference between you and me. you looking life through the eyes and standards of the west and I am looking at it, through the real time of Africa needs and the life standard of in the ground.Ask your self, what is the need of your family in Tigray? Internet? Music? I am guessing not. Like i said, you seem very real a sincere human being but your thinking is off. I wish you see the light and help to free your society. You are confusing the wants and needs of your society. Just to amswer your question. I live in the USA and never been to Africa, yet. take your shot like everyone on this forum. lol

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Kibur Nitricc hawey,
            Yeah you are right. Africa is still working on the basics, clean water and electricity, and of course freedom and basic human rights. I think Eritreans can force PIA to change, Tegarus can force TPLF to change (election coming), so that individually our regions can start developing faster. But if PIA, TPLF and Abiy Ahmed PP continue playing politics, its gonna get worse before it gets better. At least there is stability and development in Tigray, but the rest is suffering and Tigray will suffer too inevitably.

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,
            Do you really believe pfdj need excuse to rule with impunity? Just look how fast they dropped the ‘badme’ card ? I never see any effort from pfdj in the past 2yrs to resolve the border issue.
            Simply put, pfdj has the absolute power and nature to rule in tyranny. No excuse is needed and if ever needed easy to fabricate and continue. What is this thinking of lets remove one more excuse and see how they behave? It is in their nature and there is no way they will change.
            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Desbele,

            Sorry in the delay in getting back to you. I didn’t see this note.

            I do not think the Isayas regime will change its ways and bring democracy and rule of law to the Eritrean people. But I also know that the PFDJ is also made up of people and like any organization the people are able to defeat it can be defeated.

            The point I was making is, TPLF says that it is for peace and in resolving any issue peacefully but at the same time, it never makes a clear and tangible commitment to live by it’s words. If you are saying, the boarder is not important and TPLF to continue to occupy Badime and we should not care, then that’s your point. I do not see how PFDJ government behave has anything to do with doing the right thing.

            What’s also ironic is, Eritreans coming out and defending the TPLF and EPRDF government renegade the agreement the signed and come to their aid.

            Yes, the less excuse Isayas can have to rule the more power the people have to fight him.

            I think having the boarder issue is giving him an opportunity to exploit the situations.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hello Mengisteab Araya
            Welcome to Awatenation!
            You said,”Unite as we once did during the cold war!”
            The unity was for convince only. Last time I checked you were bragging about breaking the back bone of Eritreans.
            Now that you have been quarantined at mekele, you are seeking the help of the former partner.
            I hope you stay here and preach unity.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            [the rule of this forum requires you to start your comment with salutations mentioning the name of the person you are responding to. Welcome//moderator]

            I dont care about TPLF and EPLF and PP and PJDF and all the groups everywhere. I was raised in America and I am living comfortably in America, with the exception that I would rather live back home because I love the culture, being black in the US is always living lesss. Anyways, my point is I am concerned mostly for the citizens of Tigray, the citizens in Eritrea and the refugees who have most to struggle for basic necessities. Nobody seems to care, not TPLF, PP, PJDF whatever, they just dont care. Its up to us to fight for them and provide a voice for them.

          • Nitricc

            the citizens in Eritrea and the refugees who have most to struggle for basic necessities. Nobody seems to care,

            Why should we care? it is the choice they have elected and let them live with the consequences of their choice. Who goes to Ethiopia as a refugee? Well, I guess free 15 kilo wheat and cooking oil may be enticing to some weak Eritreans. I watched a clip about Tigryan refugee in Yemen and talk about suffering. What I can’t figure out is, Deprestion busy to appease the Eritrean refuge while his own people are expiring in the hands of the Saudi and Yemen; why not take your own people and save their life?

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Selam Nitricc hawey,
            We need to change our approach to discussions. If its not a discussion of solutions than its hard to move forward. Its 2020, Tigray and Eritrea gained its freedom in 1991. Its been 30 years we need to move on. We need to figure out a way to make the two regions prosper self reliantly first and then from mutual benefits of trading. Emigration cant be the only path. Thanks for reading and responding bro

          • Abi

            Hello Mengisteab
            I’m kind of confused here. You are mixing a region with a sovereign nation. Tigray is a region, Eritrea is a sovereign state.
            Eritrea gained independence in 1991. Tigray is still working on it.
            Once Tigray got its independence and form a sovereign nation, then it is possible to plan mutual benefits, trades and all the good things that come with it. You can definitely plan for future unification with Eritrea.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Mengistab; I agree with you that we need to move on; however, moving on and reconciliation needs acknowledging the past. Why is so hard for the people of Tigray to say we are sorry what we have done to you Eritreans. If Eritreans did anything wrong the same way they should apologized. And the most important; uphold what TPLF agreed and signed; leave Badime. It is so easy, I don’t why the TPLF gungs elected to hold the people of Tigray hostage. I don’t get it. I agree with you we should move on but it is in the hands of TPLF. hopefully people like your self could help in solving this problem because TPLF is frozen in time. there is no hope from TPLF.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Abi hawey,
            My apologies for the rant. Only thing I am preaching is a voice for the voiceless and help for the helpless.

        • Mokie Berhe

          Salam Menghisteab Araya. Mutual benefits between Eritrea and the Tigray are simply not possible until the TPLF withdraws from Badme. Please do not confuse/obfuscate needed reform in Eritrea with the outlaw TPLF’s illegal occupation of Badme.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            I understand what you are saying. You are correct in saying that the mutual benefits can’t be enjoyed until TPLF withdraws from Badme. My original concern was regarding domestic prosperity for Eritreans. Do you think there should be substantial reform in Eritrea or do you believe the status quo is acceptable? Disregard TPLF as you cant wait for them to decide whether to advance Eritrea economically and socially.

          • Germay Berhane

            This is wishful or mechanical thinking. How come prosperity comes in the absence of peace and intimidation,sanction and black mailing. Prosperity does’t come from the sky like MANA. Prosperity is the fruit of hard work. It is not right to blame the hard working Eritreans as slave. The government is doing its best to improve the life of its people. But staying far away and blaming to those who do their duty and not to understand the surrounding situation is crime.
            Where was Eritrea the last 22 years and what crime was inflicted to our people to diapers and disintegrate from his country.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Hello Germay Berhane hawey,
            I apologize if I was insensitive to the struggles and the efforts put in since 1991 and 2000. I think Eritrea and Tigray politics comes down to two people and two groups, President Isayas Afeworki and President Meles Zenawi (EPLF and TPLF), they are the reason why we are talking today on this matter. The fact is Meles recognized Eritrean Independence and respected it’s people. He did not mean to go to war with Eritrea, he went to war with Isayas because he left him no choice. Meles was sneaky, very tricky and very good at politics, but he was more concerned about Ethiopia than Isayas, EPLF and Eritreans. However, Isayas cared too much about TPLF, EPDRF and Ethiopia, he had some plans and visions but they did not work out. Now he hates TPLF i understand that. Now he is going to continue making TPLF the enemy and choosing to be friends with Amharu and Abiy Ahmed is not going to end well. This is the fast forwarded story, the details in the history are too much and they are not needed. Lets move on, its old news, people are struggling to survive right now who cares about the past. Isayas, TPLF, and the Ethiopian government are playing politics, its dirty, its not gonna be good for anyone. I pray that the people dont suffer too much. God help us!

          • Abi

            Hello Mengisteab
            Please leave the “Amharu” alone. In case you haven’t noticed it is not 1960. Where have you been this long?

          • Germay Berhane

            you are to much obsesed about president Issaias. You have wrong picture of him. He is heroe not only for Eritrea but for all third world countries.

        • Mokie Berhe

          Salam Mengisteab Araya. The status quo in Eritrea is unacceptable. Winds of change are long overdue and the tempest must come from within.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Selam Mokie Hawey,
            Amen to that! They need our support though! As Nitricc pointed out, they dont have the resources within.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    Bahlibi (ንልቢ ገሊና ኣንበብቲ ባህ ኣቢሉዎ) has graced this forum with a well written and lucid article containing thoroughly weighed expose of current affairs concerning Eritrea and Ethiopia with focus on a part of the north. For me, the discussion represents mainstream political approach to Ethio-Eritrean affairs and its subset, which is Tigray encompassing its internal and external challenges – the former with Ethiopia proper, and the latter with Eritrea.

    Regarding the remote past, the writer has rightly alluded to the fact that there had not been recorded events about conflicts between the ordinary people inhabiting North-South frontiers of the Mereb River. But among ethnic communities that had constituted Eritrea under Italy’s colonial expansion, there had been bitter legacies and scars devastating seasonal raids of plunder and theft warlords from Tigray and beyond had committed from the infamous Ras Wube to Ras Allula. Of course, those terrible events should not affect the present or future because such phenomena are not exclusive to Eritrea and Ethiopia. What responsible and well-meaning people should watch carefully are ephemeral societal outgrowths such as malignant chauvinists in Tigray and beyond and their counterparts in Eritrea.

    The fantasy-driven politico-social stripe of numerous types that pop up on the margins of the Eritrean body politics try to hide behind “glories and exploits” those warlords had wreaked on the one hand, and on the other, lingo-cultural cross frontiers overlaps. This is the rationale (!) the so called Tigray-Tigriyngi fringe socio-political groupies peddle, and which Bahlibi has competently put in the context of the overall present Eritrea-Ethiopia affairs. The point that should in fact be emphatically underscored in this regard is that neither the fantastical ego to resurrect the glory that had been Aksum, nor the grandeur that had been Rome would see the light of the day.

    Let alone among Eritreans, whose nationalism had been watered by blood and sweat and possess memories flashing lights of alert through the bones of the sons and daughters of the diversity resting shared graves, I do not believe for even a passing moment they could win place among the mainstream Tigrawot. The Siyes and the likes do not really have an impact because rational Tigriyans had made their choice long ago when they had realized rightly in time the irrationality of following the 1976 manifesto through as guide to the future relation. They had, as a liberation movement and later as a government, irrevocably recognized the right of the Eritrean people to self-determination, and had duly fulfilled their part of the bargain in an internationally sponsored and sanctioned instrument – referendum.

    Thus, whatever fringe groups here and there say and do, time cannot go back just because people who live in fantasies wish that to happen. No amount of propaganda or peddling Islamophobia would serve anything save irritating some of us on either side of the Mereb River. An aware people realize that, before undoing Eritrea’s established statehood, igniting fires by maliciously playing religion related hatred would spare no one. The mainstream politically aware Tigriyans do know very well the concerns are already congested. Instead of thinking about futile adventure to undo Eritrea’s sovereign statehood or changing the current status quo of things, they know they should worry about how the demographics and natural resources capabilities would factor in a 6 million to 100 million plus equation of Ethiopia in travail of still fluid transition.

  • kazanchis

    Hello all,

    I definitely refute many of the claims and unsubstantiated assumptions on this argument. The peace accord signed with Eritrea raising eyebrows in Ethiopia, because it hasn’t been institutionalized and scrutinized by the parliament. Therefore, different political observers in Ethiopia view it as “Bromance” between the leaders of the two countries. However, TPLF cannot stand in the way of Federal government as it lacks the mandate as a regional government, it might not like it but it cannot be a stumbling block, if they were serious about border demarcation. The reality is that both leaders declined from exhibiting serious intent in solving the border issue.
    Second, about Agazian, as far as Tigray is concerned, there’s no political party based in Tigray who campaign for the aforementioned cause. But, there might be few individuals here and there. From what I observed that movement, good or bad regardless, led by Eritreans and I regret to say that it is the usual petty effort of seeking a scapegoat to South for every misfortunes by few out of touch diaspora.
    I recommend both Eritrean opposition and pro-government alike to take a hard look of themselves because the customary siege mentality and creating imaginary enemy won’t make Eritrea politically inclusive and economically vibrant.
    To sum up, the peace between the two countries can be a success, if it can bring the leadership of Tigray and Eritrea onboard, I assume most of you here cannot even set a foot in your country and if that and many others of your grievances significantly improved or addressed. Then, we can talk about peace dividends.

    Greetings!

    • Nitricc

      The peace accord signed with Eritrea raising eyebrows in Ethiopia, because it hasn’t been institutionalized and scrutinized by the parliament

      Hi Kazanchis; did you just parliament? I am assuming a shocking manner that you are referring to the Ethiopian, TPLF controlled Parliament, right? Some times I wonder what the white people has done to Africans? I am dead serious. This stupid Ethiopian parliament declared a war that he has no knowledge of . The disagreement was conclusively between Eritrea and the TPLF thugs. The parliament has no idea but when the TPLF thugs decided to break the spinal cord of Eritrea; the stupid parliament came out and declared war. Now are you telling about this parliament?
      Some body has to do something. The white man came up with the greatest device to keep the Africans in dark and stupid by mumbling something about democracy, human rights, election, parliament and stupidly, the Africans are it. Parliament my foot.

      • kazanchis

        Hi Nitricc,
        If you’ve have followed Ethiopian politics closely which I don’t doubt you have, different political groups including OFC have questioned the lack of transparency. We Ethiopians are trying to build a government with check and balance. Not a one man absolutism. If it didn’t occurred to I can help but yes when you’re invaded by foreign aggressor parliament do act to fend off the threat, which Ethiopian parliament did. international arbitration also revealed the aggressor is Eritrea. In addition, Ethiopia continue to be a parliamentary country, we have seen enough farce in those who don’t have one.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Kazanchis; At lease be honest to your self. to my recollection; I have never seen an election with 100% victory. What you had/have is fake and it is insult to the people of Ethiopia. I can tell you this, I rather see no election in Eritrea for ever than Ethiopian style election and parliaments. The problem in Ethiopia is that the system is next-man up. Amara was in power for a long time and TPLF killed and looted for 27 years and now the Oroma has arrived. It is obvious there will be one deadly power struggle in Ethiopia in near future. I do believe if PMAA could win, that is a good news for Ethiopia and Ethiopians. Although; it is going to be who the Americans want. if they like PMAA, he will be.

          • kazanchis

            Hi Nitricc,

            It’s your choice if you don’t want election in your country and it wouldn’t bother me if the leader you have had for the past 5 decades by some stroke of miracle manage to be around for another 5 decades. 100% election is wrong and in some cases rigged, I am honest with myself. EPRDF was a coalition of 4 major parties and other alliances. Except TPLF, these MPs now rebranded themselves as PP, they didn’t dismiss themselves and TPLF didn’t rig election for them.

            You said something about theft, have you seen what have been done in Ethiopia? Even Isaias himself managed to inaugurate 4 projects, all of which the the fruits of 27 years. The loot might be there but miraculous success stories are there for everyone to see, it wasn’t a 100% loot like Eritrea. Last time I remember the president saying there is no airport in Asmara, no port in the coast, no tap water, total failure in education system, etc… It’s not because Eritreans are lazy and they don’t pay their taxes or 2%.

            It’s because the loot in Eritrea is unspeakable and the regime no one can match it and it’s by country mile the worst of the worst. I feel genuinely sorry for those who are conscious of the problem, but if you are happy and I must be happy for you, it’s not a good watch to see a sinking country but that’s where you are adamant in going, bon voyage!

            Peace!

        • Paulos

          Selam Kazanchis,

          Ethiopians reasoned that the Weyanes brought them nothing but pitch darkness for twenty eight long years where the signature of the nation was rampant violence, famine, displacement, villagization of urban centers, backwardness [no roads, no industries, no power grids], abject poverty, no higher learning institutions, no Constitutionalism with no political institutions in place and Ethiopians around the world resigned into shame when Ethiopia was rendered a pariah state–diplomatically isolated in world stage.

          And the people longed for the golden era of the King’s Absolutism and later on the military dictatorship of the Dergue and subsequently carried Abiy to power to bring the people a replica of the ancien’ regimes. Abiy to his promises is posited to give it to them what the people have dearly missed. Their prayers seem to have been answered. As President Isaias Afwerki iconically put it, “Game Over” and a new dawn is in the offing.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Piercing. I think you forgot a qualifier, some or all?

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            እቲ ዝገርም ነገር…..

            As you know, in the mid 50s, the King revised the archaic 1930s Constitution not so much to have it a progressive hue to it but to catch up with Eritrea when Eritrea had a full fledged not only a progressive Constitution but fledgling democracy as well where political parties including labour and trade unions—professional associations became main-stream. More over, one of the reasons for the rejection of union with Ethiopia was that, it was not practical for a modern Eritrea to unite with a feudal and backward Ethiopia [And I personally believe it was a valid point and argument]. And now, Abiy is dragging a Weyane built modern Ethiopia to the level of Eritrea which has been sent back to the stone ages thanks to a sadist Isaias! These people are really really funny!

          • Desbele

            Hi Paul,
            A very fitting say from admassie: ከ”ባእድ” ጉርሻ የዘመድ ንክሻ ይሻላል”
            Push that to the extreme : ገብረመድህን ካብ ዝሃነጾ ርሻን ምንሊክ ዘፍረሶ ቢንቶ ይህሸና እዮም ዝብሉ ዘለው. Let it be for them. Lets focus on our country.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You didn’t call us “ ungrateful lots “ this time around.
            Now that is a huge improvement!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Certainly my assessment was way off the mark. It is the Tigreans who are the ungrateful lot instead when Abiy offers them a golden era on a silver platter.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Looks like you are exhausted from defending the Tplf thugs . Abiy must have been out of his mind to offer the Tigreans anything on any platter much less a silver one. All he has to tell them is to be equal with everybody else. If they don’t like it መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላቸው:: There is no “First Among Equals “ in Ethiopia. ለመለማመጥም ለማሞላቀቅም ጊዜውም ትእግስቱም ፍላጎቱም ሊኖር አይገባም::

            ስትናደድ ያምርብሃል

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            No it is not that I am exhausted but I was wrong. Abiy is the right person for Ethiopia including for Tigrai! And I agree when you said, they ain’t primus inter pares.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I know when somebody pull my legs:)
            You are telling me Abiy is the right person for Ethiopia.
            You just told Ato Saleh Abiy is dragging Ethiopian back to stone ages.
            Don’t underestimate Ras Abi. እንኳን የፃፍከውን ያሰብከውን አነባለሁ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            It is your fault. I have been hanging out with you for far too long and got influenced by your style of writing between the lines when I used to read you between the lines instead.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Guilty as changed!
            ከአህያ የዋለች ጊደር ሆነህ አረፍከው!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Ethiopia is ruled by ethnic federalism and tplf means tigrai liberation front and tplf job is to build roads, Universities, constitutionalism and so on in tigrai, by thier own means and resources, using local taxes. If ethiopians(none-tigrai) say they don’t need industries or roads or hospitals, it is up to them, it is none of tplf’s business.
            tplf duty is tigrai, how is that hard for professor to understand this simple thing. or r u saying tplf is more amara or oromo or somali or south than amara or somali themselves. Or r u saying tplf love oromo, amara and so on more than tigrai.

          • Selam Paulos,
            Maybe we have to forget about the ungrateful people, and concentrate on the future Tigray that is so lucky and blessed, because the second miracle under tplf/woyane rule may happen there. It may create a democratic, prosperous and exceptional country. Let’s also wish Tigray at the same time that tplf will not take it to the abyss.
            In Ethiopia’s case what shined under tplf/woyane rule proved to be the result of debt for which Ethiopia is begging her lenders to be more lenient on her. In addition, what tplf left behind is what remained after corruption and theft. Even the river Nile can’t clean tplf/woyane from its crimes and the aftermath for which Ethiopia is paying a price.
            No, there is nothing to be grateful about, because Ethiopia is still suffering from tplf/woyane’s poisonous bite, and no one yet knows if she will survive. Ethiopians do not suffer from the Stockholm syndrome. They can’t fall in love with their tormentors or show any gratitude to those who committed corruption and theft, nor for the ethnic hatred it has fuelled or the hate it has for a united Ethiopia.
            Finally, if possible, Tigray should be saved from the jaws of tplf/woyane. Its fate is that of another North Korea, if tplf is left to have its way.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            ዻውሎስ ወንድሜ ግራ ተጋብቶ
            ፍቅር እውር ነው ሲባል ሰምቶ
            ወያኔ ጉያ ተኝቶ
            ከወያኔ መዐድ በልቶ
            ሲያገሳብን አፉን ከፍቶ
            “ምስጋና ቢሶች” ሲለን አፉን ሞልቶ
            ቀሪው ህዝብ ላይ ዘምቶ
            በተሰረቀ ሃብት ተመክቶ
            ዻውሎስ ወንድሜ ምን ልበለው ከቶ?

            ከባለቤቱ በላይ አውቆ
            በባለቤቱ ላይ ስቆ
            በሌባ ገንዘብ ተደልሎ ተንደላቆ
            በተሰረቀ ተመፃድቆ
            ለእጃችን ካቴና ላንገታችን ሸምቀቆ
            ሲያበጅልን ከወያኔ ሸምቆ
            ተንጠላጥሎ ከወያኔ ሸምበቆ
            ግና
            ሸንበቆ ምን ቢረዝም
            ውስጡ ባዶ መሰበሩ አይቀርም!!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

            ያክብርልኝ ጤናዎን
            ያርዝምልኝ ዕድሜዎን
            “ሰላም ያውለኝ ከቤቴ ከጎረቤቴ እስከ መርሃ ቤቴ“ ይላልና ምረቃችን
            ሰላም ያኑርልኝ ዙሪያዎን፡፡

            የነጣ ጋቢዎን አወናዝፈው
            እጅዎን ሰማይ ሰቅለው
            አየሁና አራጠው
            “በላ ልበልሃ“ ቢሉ ጊዜ ከጎረቤታችን አንጣር ቆመው
            መቼስ “ፍርድ እንደራስ ነው“ና ብሂሉ
            በእሰጥ አገባዎ ባልጠራም ቅሉ
            ወዳጃችን ክቡር ጳውሎስ
            የተናገሩት ቃል መንፈስ
            በስተት እንዳይተረጎም እንዳይዛነፍ ግምኛ
            ጠቆም ለማድረግ ያህል ጊዜ እስኪያመጣ ዳኛ፡፡
            እንሆ ይቀበሉኝ
            የባለቤት አዋቂ ነኝ፡፡

            ወያኔ ይወገር ይሙት እሰከወዲያ
            ቢሻም በሰደዱ ይቃጠል በቋያ
            ቁልቁሉን ይደፈቅ መቀመቁን ይግባ
            ስርየት እንዳይኖረው ትንፋሽ እንዳይዘራ፡፡

            ታድያ ይሄ እንዲሆን መርገምቱ እንዲጸና
            ዳኝነት ነው ልኩ የተደላደለ ሚዛኑ የቀና፡፡

            አዎን በልክ ይሁን
            በልከኛ ሚዛን ባልተንሸዋረረ
            በታመነ ወንጀል ተጣርቶ ባደረ
            ለሁሉም በሚሆን “ወዳጅ“ እና “ጠላት“ ባላንገዋለለ
            የሆነን ካልሆነው መለየት በቻለ
            የፍትህ እርካብ ላይ ይውጣና ገመናው
            ከዚያ ይሙት በቃው
            ይሙት እሰከወዲያ
            ቢሻም በሰደዱ ይቃጠል በቋያ
            ቁልቁሉን ይደፈቅ መቀመቁን ይግባ
            ስርየት እንዳይኖረው ትንፋሽ እንዳይዘራ፡፡

            ታድያ ይሄ እንዲሆን መርገምቱ እንዲጸና
            ዳኝነት ነው ልኩ የተደላደለ ሚዛኑ የቀና፡፡

            አዎን በሃቅ ይሁን በቀና መሰረት
            እውነትና ሃሰት ባልተዳቀሉበት
            ሽውኪያ ከቂም ጋራ ባልተሳከሩበት
            የደቦ ጥላቻ የጉፈላ በቀል ጎጆ ባልሰሩበት
            ወንጀለኛ ወንጃይ ዳኛ ባልሆኑበት!

            ምን ይላሉ ጌታው!

          • Abi

            ልጅ እድማሴ
            ፈጣሪ ቢወደኝ በቀኙ ቢያውለኝ
            አንተን መሳይ አሽከር የልጅ መካሪ አስተዋይ አዋሰኝ
            ዻውሎስ ግማሽ አካሌ አባቴ የሰረቀው
            የእንጀራ እናቴ ልጅ ካንጀቴ ምወደው
            ብቆጣም ብናደድ አንጀቴ ቢቆስል
            በወንድሜ አልጨክን ምንስ ቢነሆልል
            እኔም ለጊዜው ነው ካንገት በላይ ብገነፍል
            ስለዚህ ወዳጄ የልጅ መካሪዬ
            ሃሳብ አይግባህ ወትሮ ሃሳቢዬ
            እኔ ብወደው ነው እጅጉን ባከብረው
            ሲሳሳት እያየሁ ዝም እንዳልለው
            አንዳንዴም በቁጣ ሲመቸኝ በምክር
            መሆኑን አትርሳ ሆኖብኝ ነው ፍቅር
            ደም ይወፍር ከውሃ ወዳጄ አትጠርጥር::

          • Samuel

            Hi Horizon,
            You said… “In Ethiopia’s case what shined under tplf/woyane rule proved to be the result of debt”, Ethiopia’s debt to GDP ratio is 57%, Let me give you some comparison.

            Country Debt-to-GDP-ratio
            ———- ———————–
            Japan 237%
            Sudan 177%
            Greece 174%
            Italy 133%
            Eritrea 127%
            Egypt 87%
            Tunisia 81%
            Zambia 80%
            India 69%
            Morocco 65%
            Ghana 62%
            Ethiopia 57%
            Vietnam 57%

            There are 75 countries that have higher dept to GDP ration than Ethiopia, so why is Ethiopia’s debt any different from other countries? Is that because you have left with insignificant reason to criticize TPLF? Yes “ፈሪሳውያን(ትምክህተኞች)” are ungrateful to the progress achieved in the last 28 years. I am sure you will have another excuse.

            Can you tell us one single project other than the “4Kilo/palace renewal” that PMAA has started? None. Just FYI all the projects that has been inaugurated by PMAA are projects that have started during EPRDF/TPLF.
            Regardless of your political view/interest we have to agree that the country is going downward, don’t pretend as if Abiy is doing great job. Let me tell you few facts:
            • You can’t drive from Addis Ababa to Amhara region safely.
            • You can’t drive from Addis Ababa to Oromia region safely.
            • You can’t drive from Addis Ababa to Southern region safely
            What does that show you? Does it show the sign of a strong administration? Go figure that out.

            To tell you the truth whatever you see or hear about PMAA is just media fantasy or hype. PMAA have neither power nor constituency, the media is playing an important role in shaping his image, other than that his constituency and power is mostly around Addis Ababa and certain groups in diaspora.

            If you still didn’t figure that out, in a simple language “Abiy is done!”. The last two years he had a golden chance to maneuver the country to a better position but he wasted his time to appease (ትምክህተኞች) and to resent (TPLF). His biggest weakness was ego, appeasement and resentment. Did you read his book “እርካብ ና መንበር”, it tells you a lot who PMAA is.

            Finally, as Kaddis put it “the future depends on how much the local organized powers (Tigray and Oromo) play out with the geopolitical powers – not necessarily with Abiy.” I will add certain part of Amhara region, Afar and Somalia in this category, they are pro ethnic/cultural federalism.

            Thanks,

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            To support my case above, here is a reference from PMAA book “እርካብ ና መንበር”.

            በገጽ 38 አንደኛው አንቀጽ ላይ፣ “እንደውሻ በመጮህ ማምለጫን ማመቻቸት ዘላቂ መፍትሔ ባይሆንም ለጊዜው ይጠቅማል። ምክንያቱም እንዳይመለስ ሆኖ ያልተሸኘ ጠላት ጊዜ ጠብቆ ዳግም ለማጥቃት እንደሚመለስ ጥርጥር የለውም። ታዲያ ጊዜው ሲደርስ ልክ እንደ ነብር ኮቴን ሳያሰሙ ከጀርባ ቀብ ማድረግና ህልሙን በአንድ ጀንበር ማምከን መረሳት የለበትም። ሰዎች ራስ ወዳድ ናቸው፤ በጥቅም ሂድባቸው የሚፈልጉትን ነገር እያሳየህ ወደምትፈልገው ስፍራ ውሰዳቸውና ጣላቸው። ከዚያም ‘በሬ ሆይ! ሳሩን አይተህ ገደሉን ሳታይ’ የሚለውን ተረት ተርትባቸው።”

            በገጽ 39 የመጀመሪያው አንቀጽ ላይ፣ “… ዕብሪተኛ ከመሆን ይልቅ ለሌሎች በጎ በመሆን የደነደነ ልብ ያላቸውን ተጠራጣሪዎች ለራስ ፈቃድ ማስገዛት ይቻላል። የበጎነትና ታማኝነት ስብዕና የተላበሱ ሰዎችን ለማዘናጋት፤ በቀላሉ ለመሸንገልና ለመደለል ምቹ ሁኔታን ይፈጥራል።”

            በገጽ 39 በሁለተኛው አንቀጽ ደግሞ፤ “የበላይነት ከምናረጋግጥባቸው መንገዶች መካከል አንዱና ዋነኛው ፕሬስ ሲሆን በቤተ እምነቶች፣ በቤተ መጻሕፍት፣ በትምህርት ቤቶች እና በማኅበራት ላይ አተኩሮ መሥራትም ሳይቀር ተጽዕኖ ማሳደሪያ ለዘብተኛ ኃይል ተደርገው ይወሰዳሉ። … በማንኛውም ጊዜ አብሮን የሚሆን አካል አለን፣ የሚለው ፅኑ እምነታቸውን ለማግኘትም ያበቃል። በተለይም ወዳጅና ጠላት የሚለየው በችግር ቀን ነው፣ ብሎ የሚያምነው ሕዝባችን ውስጥ ከነዕድፍ ተደላድሎ ለመቀመጥ በችግር ጊዜ መድረስን የመሰለ ጥሩ አጋጣሚ አይገኝም።”

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,

            Don’t compare only the amount of debt each country owes, because these are different economies. How and where the money was spent, what development did tplf leave behind that could justify more than $50bn in debt, etc, are the most important points. There is no way this amount could be justified. When they came in 1991, they were ragtag guerrilla fighters. When they left, they were millionaires and billionaires. That is where the money went.
            One example, metec which was controlled by tplf, took 100% of the money and did only 25% of the job. Today the regional government has taken over to do the job, which means more expenses for the poor country. There are multiple examples of shoddy and overpriced works. Maybe, you have heard of high rising buildings that didn’t have owners. The economic crime is too vast to hide.
            The looters can be grateful for the good opportunity they met, but not the victims, who have to pay back every penny that was stolen. Among these, there are people who can’t afford their daily bread, millions of them, while tplf officials throw the looted money in all directions to destabilize the country and drown themselves with Johnny walker and vodka.
            The country is cleaning the economic mess left behind by tplf by servicing the debts. Therefore, the money left for development from the country’s income is minimal. Although it is easy to do what tplf did – borrow more money and inflate the debt, but this will take the country nowhere. That is not development. Even then, most important things are being done, like the GERD, although late by four years, thanks to tplf, construction is continuing, etc.
            If people can’t move around, it is the result of tplf’s ethnic federalism and divide and rule. This is a new phenomenon brought by tplf to dismantle the union of the country. Simply, the incumbent government is facing tplf’s conspiracy against ethiopia. Tplf’s power came from the barrel of a gun. It killed, imprisoned and scared people into submission. A leader who plans to bring democracy can’t have his way by killing as tplf did. There lies the difference.
            “Abiy is done!” has been said by tplf and its supporters since day one, and it has not happened. Instead of wishing his demise, the best thing for tplf is to shed off its arrogance and ignorance and try not to create animosity between the people of tigay and the rest of ethiopians. It can’t save itself by sacrificing the people of tigray.
            OFC now supports postponement of the elections, and it says that the two national issues are the pandemic and Ethiopia’s security. OFC tells ethiopians that it is not tplf’s trojan horse. Tplf is being abandoned, and has remained alone with “elections or mot”, in its hands. This shows that it will be only tplf who will stand with geopolitical powers (Egypt) against Ethiopia, if you people mean this, but not oromos.
            Finally, as to the book, i have to read it first before i comment.

          • Mengisteab Araya

            Thank you Samuel!

          • David Samson

            Selam Samuel,
            I am perplexed by the stats. The same country which gave us the “Art Deco”, the Baratolos, the Merengis, the Mellotis, the Denadias, the Chipolinis, the Congo shoes, the Via Vittorio Emanuel secondo(for sake of insanity, not Godona Barnet please) just piped in its former colony.

            How can you compare Apples and Oranges? As far as I know, the Japanese’s GDP is purely domestically produced or failed to produce. How did you get Ethio’s GDP? Ethiopia since its inception has been living on hard loans, soft loans, aid and NGO. Please wait! I can’t have negatives about Ethio without equally reducing Eritrea to Azilo. What does Eritrea produce? According to its de-facto mafia unofficial finance minister, Eritrea earned $25m, but that was 20 years ago stat. Now? Ask IA and his family as they own Eritrea Ltd

          • Samuel

            Hi David,
            I understand the sarcasm but jokes aside, I am not comparing Ethiopia’s GDP with Japan, you have to see the context of my response. If you look Horizon’s comment you will see why I responded that way.
            My point is debt shouldn’t be the only factor to criticize one countries development or progress. Countries like Japan at some point they were poor countries like us, they grew their economy over a long period of time. It doesn’t mean that they didn’t have debt but it didn’t hinder them to grow.

            To your point (Eritrea and Ethiopia GDP), Regardless how poor or rich a nation is it will produce something, that something (finished goods and services) will be added to get the total (GDP). The difference is the size and value of the product per annum, it could be a 1000 dollar or a trillion dollar.
            ሓደ ሓረስታይ ክልተ ኹንታል እንተ ሓፊሱ ኣፍታ GDP ድምር ክትኣትው እያ። እቲ ፀገም እቲ ሓረስታይ ዘመናዊ ኣሰራርሓ እንተዝረክብ ነይሩ በቲ ዘጥፈኦ ጉልበት ዓሰርተ ወይ ዲማ ዒስራ ኹንታል መእተወ ነይሩ። እታ GDP ‘ውን ብኡ ልክዕ ክትዓቢ ነይራ። ይቕሬታ ኣቕሊለያ ይመስለኒ።
            Just FYI Ethiopia’s GDP by sector is something like:
            Agriculture: 35%
            industry: 22%
            Services: 43%

            Thanks,

          • David Samson

            Hi Samuel,

            I am not joking; I am dead serious and insist that there must two indicators: one GDP ( Gross Domestic Product) for donor countries and the other one, GDP( Gross Domestic Poverty) for beggars. Beggars can’t be choosers after all. The beggar countries should focus on reducing poverty as there hardly be any national product. It is ridiculous and absurd to put Japan and Eritrea under the same category. We should compare like with like

          • Paulos

            Selam David,

            It is almost Friday and link will do. Here is what you have in mind about Asmara circa 50 years ago and compare that to Asmara under Isaias. Forward it to 22 minutes.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o_wYWjb8WtY&t=3s

          • Admassie

            Selam Samuel,
            It is not that there was not impressive economic development in the past several years. The problem is it should be mudded because some believe it was not led by their kins and it is attributed to an entity called EPRDF/TPLF which they hate. The saying goes ከ”ባእድ” ጉርሻ የዘመድ ንክሻ ይሻላል። That is what Paulos’s ሽሙጥ above all about.

            Debt is not a problem to a peaceful country with an economy driving forward. But, on the otherhand, debt is a huge burden to a country hit by a deadly violence. That was the case the past four years before Abiy came to power. But Abiy and his entourage accused his former colleagues that they handed him over a debt riden country. Shamelessly, he wants to have both ways – Instigating violence (which he himslf was part of it) and at the same time an unaffected country.

          • Samuel

            Selam Admassie,
            I like the expression ከ “ባእድ” ጉርሻ የዘመድ ንክሻ ይሻላል። That’s exactly right, they love Hailesilasie and Derg bombardment but they hate Meles Zenawi’s GERD. The expression fits their history.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            admasse
            R u saying tplf love to build addis/shager, bahirdar, oromia, deberbrhan than tigrai? what r u saying? R u saying tplf is shager, oroma, amara peoples liberation front, not tigrai people liberation front? R u saying they love other people better than their own constituency? what r u saying?
            tplf constituency is tigrai and tigrai’s development in every thing is tplf’s measurement.
            It is funny, u guys r the most advocates for self governance of nation and nationalities of ethiopia but u don’t even know what it is.
            If u want to impress ethiopians or eritreans, u can impress by building tigrai on ur own means and resources.
            What a pathetic.

          • Admassie

            Selam Teodros,

            አቡሹ! አየ አቡሹ! አሁንም አንቀልባ ላይ ነህ?!
            ሥራ በፈታ ጭንቅላት ሰይጣን ይሰፍርበታል ይባላል፡፡ ታዝለህም፡ የሰይጣን መፈንጫ ሆነህም፡ እርሱም እንዳያንስህ “በደንባራ በቅሎ ቃጭል ተጨምሮ” እንዲሉ ምላስህን የፋርስ “ከርቤ” ታቦንበታለህ መሰል ወሬህ ሁሉ አተላና የተላ ነው፡፡ እንዲያው አትያዝብኝ እንጂ ተልካሻው የጉድፍ መጋኛ በደንብ አድርጎ ሳያጠናግርህ አልቀረም!!
            ምን ትላለህ?!

          • Teodros Alem

            admasse
            I don’t know what u saying, i don’t know “debeteragn”, i think u trying to insult me just because i don’t believe in ur pathetic reason, topical agame.u the one needs help, u the one full of lies.
            Idoi

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            “የማያድግ ልጅ ታዝሎ ያፏጫል” ይሉም አይዶል?

            እግሩ አንቀልባውን አልፎ ተንከርፍፎ
            ምላሱ መንገደኛ ተላክፎ ዘልፎ
            በውን አንቀላፍቶ ሲታዘል አኩርፎ
            ሲጠባ መዝምዞ ሲያለቅስ ወዝውዞ
            ነገር አያይዞ እናቱን ነዝንዞ
            ዓይኑ ፈዞ ጭንቅላቱ ደንዝዞ
            ምላሱን አርዝሞ አንገቱን አዝሞ
            አፍንጫው ረጥቦ ሆዱ ታሞ
            ለጠኔ ማስረሻ ለእንባ ማስታገሻ
            ለቁርጠት መድሃኒት እንዲሆነው ጋሻ
            ዳቦ ጣል አርግለት ሆኗል ሆደባሻ

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            tella, what is that? I think urs is Qgna. i bet this kind of things remind u, ur Q relatives .

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

            ቢረገም ነው እንጂ ገና በጥዋቱ
            ቢኮነን ነው እንጂ ገና ከውልደቱ
            እንዳበደ ወሻ ልክፍት እንደጠጣ
            ሰው እንዴት ይሆናል የሁሉም ባላንጣ።

            በሚያዝረበረበው በልሃጬ ከርፋት
            ሜዳውን በሞላው በአንደበቱ ትውከት
            ስንቱ ሰው ቆሸሸ ስንቱ ተነካካ
            ስንቱስ ተጸየፈው ስንቱስ አለው በቃ።

            መልለየት መብት ነው ባመኑበትም መቆም
            መቃወም ጸጋ ነው ሰው የመሆን ቅመም።

            ግን
            በቆሸሸ ሃሳብ በጨቀየ አንደበት
            ባልተገራ ምላስ ለዛው በጠፋበት
            አደባባይ መቆም ከሙሉ ሰው እኩል
            ለማወክ ካልሆነ ጀማ ለመበጥበጥ ጀማ ለማስታጎል
            እንደ ባለጌ ልጅ እንዳደገ ቁልቁል
            ሌላ ምን ይሉታል?

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            እውነቱን ብለሃል ደህና ገልፀኸዋል
            ይህንን አጋንንት በደንብ አውቀኸዋል!
            አፉ ሲገማ አይጣል ሲገለማ
            ከሰገራ መውጫው ፈፅሞ ሲስማማ
            እድገቱ ወደታች እንደ ካሮት
            ምላሱ ለፍላፊ የፓሮት
            እድር በታኝ አፉ ያ የሚቀረናው
            ከሽንት ቤት ቱቦ የሚወዳደረው
            ቀዬውን በክሎ በሽታ ሚያመጣው
            አር የነካው እንጨት ሰው የሚፀየፈው
            መፍትሄው መርሳት ነው እንዳልተፈጠረ
            ከሰው ጋር ለመዋል ራሱን ካላጠረ

          • Desbele

            Selam Admassie,
            ከ”ባእድ” ጉርሻ የዘመድ ንክሻ ይሻላል” classic. it sums up all.

  • Selam All,

    Eplf-Tplf struggle was not for a common long-term purpose. The 1976 tplf manifesto showed clearly the direction tplf/woyane was going, but it seems the other party did not pay much attention.
    Indeed tplf has the capacity to muddy the waters, set the region on fire which will consume it in the end, of course, with grave consequences for the rest as well.
    After telling us so much about his objection to the tigrai-tigrini – greater tigray – agaziland project, towards the end, it looks like as if he is not afterall against the union of eritrea and tigray, provided that tplf asks for it and doesn’t opt for hegemonic power. I don’t know if he will accept the idea of creating greater eritrea rather than greater tigray by incorporating tigray, which is out of the question as much as tplf is concerned. When he says “Under normal circumstances, one would expect an ethnic group from the unrecognized de facto state to plead their case to join their sovereign kin to share the resource and power. No, they are implying that a sovereign ethnic group should join their de facto state-to-be.”, I think, it points to what i said above. If tigrayan elites come and plead to join eritrea and not forcefully/hegemonically demand for eritrea’s union with tigray, it could be a different story. Nevertheless, i believe that this will not change an iota in the final outcome, that of forming the tigrai-tigrini state of ethnically and religiously homogeneous state.
    Moreover, when he says “Eritrea could be Tigray’s strategic ally in its endeavor for independence.” points to the old eplf – tplf alliance, i.e. who should be the master and who the follower. This of course means nothing, because the wouldbe follower can easily depose the wouldbe master (as it happened in the past), as soon as the dreamers of greater tigray grow strong and the situation allows.
    Eritrea is already internally weakened and it will not be a difficult job for tplf once it enters through the open door. This is a faustian contract, and it shows misunderstanding the grave problems that lie ahead for eritrea. For tplf it has always been the same. It is easier to handle eritrea than ethiopia. It is much better to handle ethiopia with eritrea on tplf’s side, rather than alone. It goes on…

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Horizon:
      Your last paragraph said it all!
      That is the exact strategy of the TPLF and Tigreyans and they have said repeatedly and openly and they are busy executing that strategy of first weakening ERITREA and Eritreans by all means possible then take over!
      But the Eritreans have plan B and C too!.
      The ONLY solution for Eritrea and Ethiopia?
      Pay them back in KIND by using their own strategy against them to shutter down their endless day dreams and crash them like they have tried to do so against/on us before it is too late!

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Horizon,

      I am one who try not miss your input. Reading your entry, you seem to have insinuated that the writer has union of Eritrea with Tigray at heart. His problem is about the means and not the end. Short of the Tigriyans swearing off claim hegemony or domination, you thought, the writer implied that union of Eritrea with Tigray is foreseeable option. But neither the words you quoted, nor what Bahlibi has written indicate your understanding which in my mind grades down to an assumption.

      The man clearly discussed possibility of mutual benefit peace and recognition of Eritrea’s sovereign status would provide in terms of economic and political (read: diplomatic) cooperation.

      Moreover, some Ethiopians have seem to have been conditioned to read the situation in Eritrea from the perspective the dictatorship there has imposed, which is project the bureaucracy saturated by members of one ethno-linguistic chunk of the population. They forget the country is comprises more than stakeholders a diversity of cultures, religions and languages has established. Whenthe fate of the country would be at stake, no component would be left to single handedly decide it. All Eritreans enviously share the sensitivity about their sovereignty and statehood. Once they realize the dictator or anyone after him tamper with it, it should underlined that history has already written what the reaction would look like.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Selam Bahlibi:
    Is there any way you can translate this TIMELY and ESSENTIAL Article in Tigrinya and Arabic and make it go viral?
    Am going to share it thru the FB.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Bahlbi,

    Great, well written, extremely timely article and call for Eritreans to be vigilance and determined not to entertain in any form or shape the insidious fraternity covered deception.
    This article comes at a time where individuals who found free space are dreaming of founding an Agaziland for the sole purpose of ultimately alleviating the difficulties of Tigray, a state supposedly the soul and the navel of Ethiopia, in its dealing with Ethiopia. Eritreans do not need emerging preachers and political intermediaries reminding them on their kinship with their immediate neighbors. Eritreans don’t need dealers for a warm relationship with their brotherly neighbors.
    Thank you Bahlbi!

  • Sultan M.G.

    Selam Bahlibi!
    Long time, man!
    An Epic Article.
    Did not know you that would be allowed to post such a critical but truthful narration about Tigrai and the TPLF at awate.com.
    Hope you will come up with a follow up factual further narration about this EVIL Janda with its EVIL Agenda on and against Eritrea and Eritreans.as this is ONLy the tip of the iceberg .
    FACT:
    Even though the PFDJ is the primary culprit to our problems, no one can deny the DEVASTATING role this evil Java’s and its supporters have played in the last 20 years , way worse than the combined havoc and destruction the previous Ethiopian Regimes had incurred upon Eritrea and Eritreans
    The fact that PIA and his local Commander made a knee-jerk reaction level mistake in May of 1998 should not have been an excuse for the evil janda to try to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans!
    To those pseudo-Eritreans and TPLF Cadres and Mercenaries, who are going to slap you on your face or insult and abuse for initiating such a historically factual Article, I tell them to jump over to the cliff !
    The TPLF and the people of Tigrai have ONLY one option:
    -To abandon the evil agenda and toxic propaganda on and against Eritrea and Eritreans
    -To accept UNCONDITIONALLY the bitter truth and the fact on the ground that Eritrea is an Independent and Sovereign Nation with crystal clear boundaries and leave unconditionally the Sovereign Eritrean Territories NOW without ifs and buts and catch up the Train of Peace and work for a peaceful coexistence and mutual economic integration!

    • Saleh Johar

      Sultan
      Here is again what I mentioned on the previous comment. You wrote:

      “…post such a critical but truthful narration about Tigrai and the TPLF at awate.com.”

      Do you read what is written on this website or you just go with the defamation wind regardless? Why do you do this knowing well that you are insulting us. I think it is about time that you realized people do not follow your and abide by your views. So, don’t sound like you own the truth. And stop your never-ending attacks.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam Ustaz SGJ:
        Disappointed that U edited my comment so that I cannot edit it.
        I do proof-read what I write most of the time.
        I am not insulting anyone but CRITICIZING you for being silent and indirectly supporting for 20yrs this devilish gang !

        The list I could have listed about the TRUTH you have shied away from reporting about the evil janda vis-a-Vista Eritrea :Eritreans is long but I chose to be reserved to avoid further misunderstanding.
        Would appreciate if you STOP throwing words into my mouth!
        I never said you are a TPLF Agent but the Western Intelligence rightfully and correctly “ baptized“ your website as “ “ The Ethiopoian( Read: TPLF) Gov Friendly Website”!

        • Saleh Johar

          Sultan,
          You are cheap. And I was always right because you are shedding off you Isaiasist traits one layer at a time. Now you are naked, no my jebha relative claim will save you be a man and state it boldly your are piece and parcel of the Isaias gang. There is nothing to hide. Why go to western newspaper, which you cannot just mention is passing link it here. But then, you and the pfdj camp have been in a defamation campaign since this website was established. How many time did you insinuate that or you take patience for stupidity? Now you are erring big time. You do not eat from a bowl and then break it, debating tsaHli as the Tigrinya saying goes. This website has been accommodating your foolish comments and opportunistic views for years and why do you come here? To convert patriots into dull patriots, jingoistic like you? How many did you convert? Opportunist coward.

          • Sultan M.G.

            HahahH SGJ:
            U reminded me how Trump has been reacting to the ABC and CNN Journalists , when they challenged him, hit him hard with facts and truth !
            Relax buddy.
            Am not cheap.
            I am who I am.
            Here is what the response I got when I tried to edit /correct few spellings and grammar:
            “ You cannot edit once the Moderator edited your comment”!
            How about that Mr. ”DISRESPECTFUL CHEAP”?
            Respect and decency, please!
            With all due respect, Sir,the fact that you are the Editor or the Moderator or a “Public Figure”, does NOT entitle you to insult me and to abuse me under any circumstance!

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes, you never gave anyone the benefit of the doubt. Yes I edited an obvious mistake that you make. If you do not put space between two words, here is an example ( belligerant.it) ) it is rendered as a hot link and in. order to break the link, moderators have to go in and add a space , like this (belligerent. it) and the link deleted, and that is an interference, then disqus might have blocked you. BTW, I just discovered that disqus disables your editing ability once a moderator goes in. But it’s always bad thoughts that come to you mind, never good. It was not editing, it was breaking a link created and by the way. That happens very often because you do not like space between words like you do not like me or awate though you use it to your hearts content

            Thank might give you a lesson to to lash at the moderators for doing their job. See what we go through to deliver the service and then someone like you comes and treats the moderators like your serfs! Respect is all that is needed. If you cannot afford respect, be decent. That is all. You could have commented on Bahlbi’s article without involving all of us here with your wild swings. Why was that provocation necessary? But you can’t help it. And once you lead the way downwards, you are the culprit, the arson.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Salam Saleh Johar. With all do respect and absolutely without any scintilla of doubt, this websites’ moderators have at times certainly censored people on what they write. Moderators prejudiced/biased interpretation of attitude, class and civility translates into some being able to openly abuse/insult others -they are practically allowed to get away with murder- , while others get hammered over the head for committing comparatively much less serious fouls. How many times for example, do moderators turn a blind eye when people inappropriately address Sultan M.G. as Capo or other? CNN obviously uses the same yardstick in terms of providing unbiased and uncensored reporting.

    • Paulos

      Capo,

      Many thanks for summarizing the article for the rest of us and Awate [the website] should be commended for sticking to its principles as it accommodates myriad discourses or persuasions for it was accused of leaving the platform open solely to Weyane-philes.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Doc:
        Please be so kind to CC your comment to the brilliant Prof Dr. Haile S., who just did a way better, to the point and astute comment !
        A classic Professorial style summary!