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Sudan: Al Bashir’s Government Ousted

The early morning hours of Thursday ended Omar Al-Bashir;’s thirty-year rule in Sudan. By dawn, a group of military officers entered the building of the Sudan National Broadcasting Corporation (SNBC) and briefly pulled the plugs off the television and radio services. They have also closed the airports.

Since 5am Sudan time, the television screen has been displaying a message to viewers to “Expect an important announcement by the Armed Forces.”   7  hours later, people interested in the developments in Sudan are still waiting for the announcement.

Above the announcement stripe, the television has been showing landscape scenes as music, mostly marching band played in the background.

The Sudanese are familiar with such music that are played before several military coups in the past, the last one in 1989 when the current National Congress Party deposed Sadiq Al-Mahdi’s elected government.

In 1969, Jaafer Numeiri ousted Ismail Al-Azhari’s government and ruled the Sudan until 1971 when he was ousted by the Communist party’s Major Hashim Al-Atta.  The coup failed when Gaddafi’s fighter planes intercepted the airplane that carried Babikir Al-Nur in mid-air over Libya as it was flying from London to Khartoum. Babikir was supposed to be the president of Sudan.

As the news of the fate of Babir Al-Nur reached Sudan, loyalists of Jaafer Numeiri freed him from detention and he regained his power. But the fate of the communist party leaders was sealed as Gaddafi handed Babikir Al-Nur to Numeiri who killed him together with Hashim Al Atta.

In April 1985 Numeiri’s rule came to an end when military officers led by Field Marshal Abdel Rahman Swar al-Dahab, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, ousted his government. In May 1986 Swar Al-Dahab surrendered power to the democratically elected government of Sadiq Al-Mahdi, the leader of the National Umma Party.

On June 30, 1989, General Omar Al-Bashir ousted the elected government of Sadiq Al-Mahdi. Al-Bashir’s iron-fist rule was just 50 days shy of thirty years when he was ousted this morning.

Though his condition is unknown, Al-Bashir is staying in his home under guard by unknown officers who have almost taken full control of the country.

Some opposition leaders have expressed their worries of a military rule replacing the military regime of Al-Bashir. “It will be one military replacing another, we are hoping for a transitional leader who would be an embodiment of the wisdom and patriotism of the late Swar Al-Dahab.”

Swar Al-Dahab died in Saudi Arabia on October 18, 2018.

The current change is a result of popular demonstration that started in December 2018 demanding the removal of the Al-Bashir government.

An hour ago, a senior Russian official stated that what is going in Sudan is “unconstitutional” and should not be supported.

Arrests

So far over a dozen people are arrested by the military, though only the names of four prominent allies of Al-Bashir has been known. They include Ahmed Haroun, the secretary of the ruling party; Osman Mohammed Taha, the ex-vice president of Sudan; and General Abdulrahim Mohammed Hussein.; and Awad Al-Jaz, a close ally of Al Bashir who held several ministerial portfolios and was in charge of the “China File”.

Update: the military officers who took power announced a two year transitional period before surrendering power. A curfew is imposed. 

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  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Dr Paulos & All,

    Scientific feeds:

    Russian researchers have found liquid blood and urine inside the frozen carcass of a foal that died 42,000 years ago in Siberia’s Verkhoyansk region. The body fluids are extracted from the frozen foal in the hope of cloning the extinct species.

  • Blink

    Dear all
    How do the EPRDF meetings go ? The same thing just as before , The Korean dancer was speaking with his eyeglasses covering his deceitful eyes , the change in Ethiopia is irreversible by any forces that can be hired by weyane money . Debrestion has to kneel down to all crimes his old pals did and completely agree with the change . Debrestion a deceitful human being of weyane circle can no longer play his መጹና card for ages , the tigray people can not and shall not be a ladder to his thieve organization. TPLF from the gate go is all about selling anything that benefit them , they have an experience from the Aid money . Debrestion admirers here or anywhere in the internet world are bluffing about his bravery and so many false claims for example someone was saying “ he is a tester leader “ and someone has to ask what ? Weyane goons as well as weyane cadre are all making noises that don’t fit in any shape of form . Debrestion openly states his forces can destroy any enemy yet here we have some people defending the weyane lunatic for reasons unknown to majority but sometimes it is possible to connect the dots, why are known people from the Eritrean opposition defending weyane ? What is the reason ? Is it financial benefits or simply a political stand to stay relevant within weyane circles ?

    Why do some old ex ELF people defend weyane ?

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    The contrast couldn’t have been any sharper when Dr. Debretsion took the stage to make a speech on the occasion of Lemma’s departure where in the foreground Abiy and his posse look like a bunch of kids zoning out onto trivial stuff. Debretsion came of age in blood and sweat when the bunch of kids were still on pacifiers and recently almost destroyed his legacy by conspiring with enemies. But here was a man standing there showing them what leadership is all about focusing on what needs to be done not dwelling on personal grudges.

    Before the ink dries, Dergue remnants are taking his softer tone for a weakness and capitulation but little did they know that, he got where he is now precisely because his enemies underestimated him over the years owning the same parochial mind set. The way forward he said is upholding the Constitution and honoring the rights of the nations and nationalities through the Federal system. That is what I call a leader who sticks to his guns in Meqele, Adama and in Addis as well.

    • Teodros Alem

      selam paulos
      If debrestsion has a little bit of determination and dedication as a leader, he shouldn’t have been there in the first place, he should be in tigrai mourning the death of 60 migrant tigraians in the sea,
      what u don’t know is debrestsion and tplf r still part of eprdf and they fully understand and agree with what 3A has said about tigrai, “tigrai can’t survive as a normal place for ONE month with out the handouts of the center”, i think this is what u don’t get it.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Theodros Alem. Debretsion Gebremichael, is now estimated to be worth US$ 320.9 million and would have certainly have had an arrest warrant placed on his head if he were not acting Tigray Regional President. To recall that Debretsion who before served as Kinfe Gebremedhin’s deputy. Also, to recall that he is one of many TPLF members that hold bogus university degrees (PhD from Capella University). Only the real die-hard TPLF supporters continue to support him as he is rottenly corrupted to the bone.

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Teodros Alem. People forget that Debretsion was back in 2012 quoted as saying “TPLF force capable of destroying the whole of Africa, much less 30 million population [Amharas]”

        • Saleh Johar

          Selam Mokie,
          Did he really say “TPLF can destroy he whole of Africa, much less 30 million population [Amharas[“? It is amazing. Would you care to share the source here? Video, text, audio… anything would do. I really need this evidence, please share it here. Thank you in advance.

          • mokie berhe
          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Mokie berhe,

            America has the power that could destroy the world. I searched for TPLF in you link, but I didn’t get it. From where did you bring TPLF? I think, you read your mind, not the text. Learn how to read, an advice.

            Al-Arabi

          • Paulos

            Selam Hameed,

            That is what an extreme obsession does to a person. Hallucination!

          • Millennium

            Hameed:

            If a Weyane leader is bragging about the defence forces’ ability to destroy the whole of Africa “let alone 30 million”, do you think he is talking about the Ethiopian defence forces? even hypothetically speaking, how is it possible for an Ethiopian defence force to brag about its ability to destroy a portion of its own part? It does not make sense. But logically speaking(I am not saying it is true), a weyane leader can possibly brag about TPLF’s ability to destroy other communitie in Ethiopia. Then if the said leader had indeed said that, it makes sense to say he was bragging about the might of his TPLF. So I do not think Mokie was reading his own mind

            Millennium

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Millennium,

            I am speaking about his QUOTE. Do you quote something on the TEXT or from your mind? If the quotation is not available on the TEXT then it will be a quotation from the mind. Mokie has quoted from his own mind, because TPLF is not available in the TEXT.

            Al-Arabi

          • Selam Millennium,

            I hope i have understood the story. Destroying 30 million amharas and if need be the whole of africa is out right a childish talk for any politician to speak in this way. Although i doubt that Dr. Debretsion has said it and he believed it, otherwise, one should worry that there is a problem of assessing the reality on the ground on his part. The same opportunity as in 1991 does not exist today. Even though what he said is somehow ambiguous, whether he is talking about the federal army or the army of his killil, he should have made it clear, and if it is a fake story he should tell the people. Both ways, federal or kilil army achieving such a goals (destroying 10m people or destroying africa) is foolish and a genocidal talk.

            Nevertheless, what would one say if what we read is true after all? Is it a cry of fear or bravery? I remember 1998 when mz begged the ethiopian people and the ethiopian armed forces he had dissolved and made destitute, calling it the “derg army”, to come and die defending tigray when shabia attacked it. This shows the capacity of tplf then. If tplf attacks amhara, a member of the ethiopian federation, does the emperor think that the federal government has no responsibility to defend the amhara kilil from an unprovoked attack by another member, and especially when that member has been preparing itself for such a day, as tplf has done?

            It sounds nonsensical, really, if such a thing has been said by the deputy president of the tigray kilil. If arming oneself and digging trenches could win a war, many before him would have achieved their goal. Let’s hope that it is a fake story of the times, or simply shouting at the top of one’s voice to scare off any perceived danger. For sure, there will be no winner, but losers, in such a madness.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Hameed Al-Arabi. Thanks for your kind comments and advice. Context means everything! Within the frame of discussion for which Debretsion made his comments, their intent & purpose is clear. If a piece of paper is green, I don’t need GREEN printed on the paper to understand that.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan mokie berhe,

            Peoples around the world, with their different languages, quote a TEXT. You have quoted in your comment a name that is not available in the text, whether in Amharic or English text. I think, you have made a mistake, and we are not liable to accept it and tell, you are correct.

            Al-Arabi

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hamdat,

            For OFDJites, In a fight for everything and anything against TPLF and in order to disinform the public, they have to “insert TPLF” in anything the TPLF leaders have to say. It is sad how their minds operate. They can’t debate without bringing TPLF in any issue about Ethiopia and Eritrea.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Saleh,

            By now you should be accustomed to read in this forum such sort of preposterous generalizations. This is just one of them. The guy has provided a link. I read the text (for the sake of curiosity) in both languages – Amharic original as well as the English translation. The TPLF was not used as subject in the sentence; he said “our defense” and not TPLF forces.

          • Millennium

            Hi Ismail:

            If you really believe he has actually said that, which 30 million segment fo the population was he referring to then? Was he implying that there were 30 million “tsere Selam hailoch” in Ethiopia that the defence force could destroy?

            Millennium

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Millennium,

            Conscience impels us to read what we see with a measure of neutrality. At face value, the statement is terrifying from human point of view. That is why some of us got alarmed. But reading the actual statement had delivered a different sense from what the gentleman’s post stated wanted to report. It is also good to separate rhetoric from substance in political public relations matters. Then, I am afraid your post appeared to have stretched the issue to another interpretative level.

          • Lamek

            Ismail, besides highly overrating Ethio defence forces capabilities, there is nothing exciting in that unfortunate statement. Ethiopia is such a dysfunctional country. How could defence forces be part of policing the everyday activities of the people expressing their rights in the first place much less to threaten them by saying they are capable of destroying over 1 billion Africans? The headline the publisher put reads TPLF as being capable of doing this. It appears like the statement was made when TPLF was in power so that’s where that context comes from. It is just a stupid statement from one individual a PhD holder at that. It’s shameful of him, that’s pretty much it for me with this.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam mokie b
          u r busted, those who fabricated these kind of silly fake news all over the internet and those who based thier argument based on those silly fake news r tplf facebook dogs,

          • mokie berhe

            Hi Teodros Alem. It is not a fabrication or fake news for Debretsion had actually posted the horrendously stupid comment on his Facebook page only to later remove it.

  • Selam All,

    At the farewell reception for Lemma Megerssa, Dr. Debretsion’s speech was rather that of reconciliation than inflammatory. He said more or less that the federation and the constitution may need some improvements, contrary to the previous stand that meddling with both was tplf’s red line.

    In addition, some say that at the end of the eprdf conference, it looked like that revolutionary democracy was more or less a thing of the past.

    Those who expected confrontation do not seem to have got what they wanted; or is it that he is for reconciliation when in addis and confrontational when in meqele.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. To note that on the sides of the recent EPDRF meeting where the TPLF basically berated everyone, it also asserted that Eritrea was preparing to invade Tigray (Badme).

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      You sound more like FishMilk.

    • Blink

      Dear Mokie
      The weyane thugs still are holding in to their Badme is bigger than Eritrea slogan , these thieves have no shame to claim someone’s sovereignty and this kind of arrogance grew with their horrible greater Tigray vision of Meles . The only solution for these people is to vacate from Badme and ask forgiveness from all Eritreans minus the weyane goons . The border is closed because Weyane are not ready for peace with Eritreans and also they wanted to spoil Abiy peace with neighboring policy . Weyane are printing fake Eritrean and US dollar bills and they are shipping all these fake bills in tones through their pickups .

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Eritrea Closes Omhajer-Humera Border/Troops deployed on the Sudan border.
    (EP) Eritrea has blocked today entry for non-Eritreans and Ethiopia-licensed vehicles at the Omhajer-Humera border crossings that opened this year.’

    The closure of the south-western tip crossing (pictured) with Ethiopia happened while Asmara was deploying troops to Sudan border near the Omhajer-Humera border.

    It was not clear why Ethiopians were being prevented from entering at the crossing but the restrictions have only been imposed on the Eritrean side.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Illicit capital flight from Sudan into Tigray Region must be quickly occurring as Omar al-Bashir’s goon squad desperately seeks ‘misery-loves-misery’ location to stash its loot. TPLF has a lot of experience on illicit capitol flight and related depository/stash-it-away processes and should be able to properly guide their Sudanese cohorts; maybe even encourage them to invest in the Tambien industrial park or the Tekezze Reservoir duty-free zone.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    Addis Standard has reported that the Parliament of Ethiopia is in session to deliberate on reshuffle of some key ministerial posts. This is, I think, a second in a year. According to the report the current president of Oromia, Lemma Megersa, is to move tod defense and replace Aisha Mohammed of the Afar state. She will move back to Urban Development and Construction. It is not clear who will replace Lemma as Oromia president, or whether he is going to double the two posts, which is unlikely considering the weight of the job at defense. The former Amhara Kilil president Gedu is to take up the Foreign Affairs portfolio.

    Coming in the background of the EPRDF meeting, the reshuffle could indicate to anticipated debate there in, and decisions that could be in the pipeline. The case of Lemma Megersa could noticeably be significant in many ways, one of which is the personality that is going to replace him at the top of the Oromia state.

    • Paulos

      Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

      It is going to be seen if Gedu is going to promote Ethiopia’s primary and objective interests in the world stage or if he is going to use his position for a vendetta in pulling out all the Tigreans who are stationed in foreign services as in in Embassies including Ambassadors.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        The Amhara will do what ever it takes that bring them back to power, including vendetta.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam aman h
          I wish i was around to see ur, paulos and ismail facial expressions when u first time heard the news of the appointments:) .
          aman, trust me. U don’t know jake, that is ur problem. Just big mouth.
          as far as i can tell the amaras don’t have intentions “to bring back their power” and they r way way far, at list 100 years far “to bring back their power” . so don’t worry.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ismailo,

      What has to do reshuffling by the Parliament? Isn’t it the power of the PM to hire and fire his ministers? What does it indicate the meeting of EPRDF and the Parliament at the same time? It is Crises of epic proportion.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman H and Dr. Paulos,

        According to Addis Standard, the parliament was solicited by the PM to approve his nominations. I think the proceedings have been rounded up. The point the interested me was how these changes will operate which could be either ways – worsening the already bad situation in the way Dr. Paulos has stated for example, or rescuing it by way recovering the EPRDF to play stabilizing role.

        The person who will replace Lemma Megersa could be key. He could unite the Oromia constituency and use it to humble Dr. Abij’s rushed up measures that degenerated to liabilities as the euphoria subsided. From what I read on the side of the Amhara-Tigrai proponents of obliteration of the current federal arrangement, they seem to be betting for time because Lemma and Abij in solidarity with the Amhara Kilil political leaders have proven incapable of delivering what they had hoped. Time could only be gained by way of having coherent and power exercising center. Only EPRDF and its partners can fulfil this crucial role.

        • Paulos

          Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

          The need to appoint a non-Tigrean to the position of Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not only understandable but logical as well given the fact that the Tigreans had occupied the position for far too long as in Seyum Mesfin for almost two decades and then Tedros Adhanom for a number of years.

          But one can make a valid argument that, Meles needed someone he could trust as opposed to competent even though Siyum Mesfin was competent enough as he managed to elevate the country on the world stage. That as it may however, Amharas and Oromos were given privileged Ambassadorial positions in prominent but not politically active countries with respect to Ethiopia as in France and Canada, for instance.

          But again, one can make another valid argument saying that, even though the Ambassadors were non-Tigreans, the key middle rank positions were given to Tigreans based on trust perhaps to collect information. One may read this not as a political expediency per se but from objective point of view where adherence to party lines was more vital than competence.

          In the long term, it back fired and created a sort of resentment on the non-Tigreans who felt marginalized. Now the question is, is the reshuffle intended as a pay back time to get to Tigreans as in based on loyalty and trust or to promote Ethiopia’s vital interests based on the person’s competence. Gedu will probably have to hire a translator much less a competence in diplomacy on the world stage which requires not only finnes but charm, intelligence and sophistication as well.

  • Blink

    Dear all
    Breaking news , the little Qatari dictators get smacked their face in their effort to plant their evil terrorist cells in Sudan , Sudanese authorities on Wednesday refused to receive a Qatari delegation headed by Foreign Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, a source confirmed to Al Arabiya.

    After the Sudanese officials refused to receive al-Thani in Khartoum, the Qatari delegation left the Sudanese capital and returned to Doha. what a quick karma , the day this evil filthy rich people get learned their lesson they can at least have respect for our region . They have been the bad gang in our region and I hope the whole region block this evil royal families from entering even the air space. Turkey leader the arrogant idiot effort in Sudan can go to trash in the Sudanese military council keep their country safe .

    Second amusing thing that happened is also in the 100% EPRDF controlled parliament there was some change in the Abiy government.
    Lemma is chosen as a minster of Defense while the previous Amhara region boss become foreign minister. One thing is not clear , who is holding Oromo regional president chair ? No idea , I hope Lemma clean the weyane thugs in the military and bring the military under Ethiopian because all the middle military men in Ethiopian military structures are weyane thugs . Weyane thugs in the military are the problem .

    What will Lemma do in the military chair ?

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Blink,

      I think, and it is clear from your breaking news, you fell short to investigate true from fake news. The military council falsified the news you have mentioned in your comment, “the little Qatari dictators get smacked their face in their effort to plant their evil terrorist cells in Sudan ………”. Moreover, the foreign ministry of Sudan refuted the news and declared they are making arrangement to receive Qatari delegation.

      On the basis of the above, you are not eligible to present true news from trustworthy sources. It is clear, you don’t know sifting the media. Everything it comes in front of you is true, you just gulp it. Take care, one day, you might gobble poison that might send you to the second world.

      Al-Arabi

  • Selam All,

    What seems to be the reason for the widespread computer hard disk theft from government offices throughout addis ababa and may be other cities as well? Who wants to hide what?

    Did Dr Debretsion (tplf) stir up the eprdf as we were told he would do, or was the meeting another business as usual?

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Dr Paulos & others,

    Pls read NYT of today April 17, 2019, a new breakthrough in neuroscience research. Scientist at Yale University revive cells in brains from dead pig. This breakthrough will help them in the future treatment of brain injuries, strokes and heart attack caused from blood clotting. Amazing. Long live to science. Every time they make a little push to the unknown they always come with new discoveries.

    Regards

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      This certainly is the moment of Huxley’s “Brave New World” where Science is stepping onto the entity that defines who or what we are—the Brain.

      Imagine being able to resuscitate a dead brain as we resuscitate a compromised heart using defibrillator! That doesn’t seem far off or farfetched.

      Let me go out on a limb and say this: As much as the new approach to brain injury walks on a fine line of bioethics, one wonders if there is going to be a trade of as we twiddle the course of nature. Philosophically speaking, the sense of urgency in us to prolong life is centered on the uncertainty of beyond death which can only be ascertained through a leap of faith or religion. If we were certain about what is in after life, we would have left nature alone to run its course without being tramped upon.

      In the early 19 century, the average life span particularly in the Western world was around 48. And almost a century and half later the average life span on both sexes doubled—82 for women and 79 for men. This remarkable feat is certainly attributed to the ingenuity of mankind through the advancement of medicine and technology as well. But the upside came with a huge price as in a trade off. A century and half years ago, most of the Cardiovascular diseases including metabolic illnesses as in Diabetes type II and Osteoarthritis, Alzheimer’s were not prevalent if not rare. People were dying mostly due to infectious diseases. The onset of most of the diseases cited on the above is in mid-ages that is in people who are over 50.

      This means, if our body is genetically designed to live only for half a century, the body doesn’t know what to do with longevity and produces the cited illnesses. Now the question is, is there going to be a trade off when the brain which is supposed to expire but coming back to life due to Man’s ever daring spirit to have a full control over the course of nature.

      • Millennium

        Hi Paulos:

        You are technically wrong when you said that we resuscitate a compromised heart using a defibrillator; the defibrillator is actually used to stop a heart that is not beating regularly so that it can be resuscitated by CPR. I am saying this because it is a common mistake; don’t take it any other way

        Regards,
        Millennium

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Millennium,

          Didn’t get the difference between you stated from what Dr. Paulos had stated. You just added a point of detail from where Dr. Paulos’ stopped.

          • Millennium

            HI Ismail

            It is one detail, an important detail nonetheless; the reason I think it is important is because it is counterintuitive and it is common to see people misunderstanding it.

            In the movies, when you see them trying to resuscitate a person using an AED ( automated external defibrillator) at the bed side in hospital, you see them yelling “ clear” and then applying the shock and then repeating the same thing over and over again until the electrocardiogram panel displays a regular beating of the heart or sometimes stops all together. ( the mistake here is that they apply the shock without applying CPR in between)

            such scenes emanate from a wrong understanding of how defibrillators are supposed to work. They think that those small machines are meant to resuscitate a heart that has stopped to beat or turn an arrhythmic heart and make it beat rhythmically just with the use of defibrillator . Even though the mechanism is not fully understood, what an AED is supposed to do is to automatically recognize a heart that is arrhythmic (usually it is ventricular arrhythmia—-and still commonly ventricular fibrillation) and the machine sends a shock to stop the beating altogether so that, with the help of CPR ( cardiopulmonary resuscitation), the natural pace maker of the heart (senatorial node) will be kickstarted and take over.

            This means you do not apply AED to a heart that is asystole, a heart that is not beating, but rather use it to stop one that is beating irregularly…like when a person is in cardiac arrest, so that the electrophysiology of the heart will be restored with the help of CPR

            Millennium

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            ሓደ ሓደ ጊዜ ናይ’ዞም ሰባት ነገር ይገርመኒ እዩ፣ ናተይ ቀንዲ ዛዕባ ካልእ ንሱ ዝጎታትት ዘሎ ኻልእ፣ ዕላምኡ እንታይ ምዃኑ ኣይርድኣንን’ዩ።

          • Millennium

            Hi Paulos:

            CPR and AED is part of first aid and as such it is good for people who are not healthcare practitioners to know the basics of first aid. The purpose of my interjection was simply to correct the common misconception people have about defibrillators. Those machines are everywhere including in malls and casinos and a lot of other public places. Can you imagine what will happen if one was to use AED to resuscitate their loved ones under emergency situations…with a wrong understanding of what the machine does. Besides, people that are none healthcare practitioners may take a thing or two from the exchange because the topic is something that any member of the civilized world should know. Don’t look at it in a bad way…:)

            Millennium

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Paulos,
        Even without going too far in the future or in the sophistication of science, the inability to accept death as a natural course of life is causing havoc. The ease at which organ transplants could be done, has started a dark, cruel and criminal trade of human organs, including kidnapping and trafficking.
        Eritreans were victims of this horrific trade (and probably still going on to a smaller degree). Hospitals in some cities in former Yugoslavia, Egypt and Turkey, including some in Israel were implicated in this trade.

        • Paulos

          ሰላም ፍትውትን ክብርትን ሓፍተይ,

          I absolutely agree. It is sad. Perhaps we need to step back and try to see it in a wider context.

          We live in a world where the social setting to the very least in the Western world is divided between conservative and an open or experimental society where the latter’s modus operandi is tampering with nature with no end on sight.

          As you have aptly alluded to, the human body is sacred so much so that not only organ harvesting is a violation of one’s dignity but a violation of the sanctity of the human body as well. Furthermore, a woman’s womb is sacrosanct through and through but now it is being “rented” out for profits to two complete strangers where the pact with the third party is sealed on financial agreements as opposed to a semblance of a Holy matrimony—Perhaps, it is understandable for medical reasons. This is just one scenario among many where the experimental society is in a collusion course with part of the society which tries to hold on to the status quo as in the canons and dogmas of the traditional institutions. [I am trying to highlight the on-going civic discourses and debates which are shaping up the future of societies.]

          To go back to the illegal organ harvesting, if a person is not sovereign in his or her own country, she or he can not be sovereign elsewhere. As such, as much as the people who are active in organ harvesting ought to be held accountable of the criminal act, the power be who failed to live up to the dreams and aspirations of their own people and who exposed the victims to the heinous crimes ought to be held accountable on the same footing as well. If Eritreans were able to live their lives in their own country, their fate would have been different as normal as any other people in any country around the world.

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ኣብረሀት፡

          እንሄዋ ድየን? ዕድሚኤን ክነውሕ እንተደልየን ከምዚ ኢለን ይጸልያ። God, give us our daily telomerase. I will leave an explanation on the telomere complex to our science wizard, Paulos.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            ንስኻ’ኸማን ዳሃይካ ጠፊኡ ቀንዩ ለንቅነ፣ ስራሕ በርቲዓ’ላ መስለኒ። Hope all is well with you.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            ስራሕ በዚሑ
            ቢዚነስ ሰቢሑ
            ጊዜ ተሪፉ ጥርሑ

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Aya Haile,
            I will pray for long and healthy life without any supplements. 😉 I shudder to think where they will end up harvesting the “telomerase”.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ፍትውቲ ሓብተይ,

            ኣብኡ ኣይንበጽሕን ንኸውን ግን እንተኾይኑ ንሕና ይሕዋትኪ ኣነን ኣያ ሃይለን ንልግሰልኪ።

  • Blink

    Dear Horizon
    I believe Abiy must be supported by any democratic forces in the region or any opposition that aspires justice and democratic governance for his people can’t and must not oppose the only pipe of democracy in our region .

    The Eritreans who oppose Abiy especially these in this forum don’t do it for principle but just for the sake staying relevant . I can understand the opposition he is getting from some part of Ethiopia. The only hope for the whole Region is Abiy , not TPLF and certainly not our idiots .

    • mokie berhe

      Salam Blink. Several opposition lowlifes here (the same ones that for more than 2 decades treacherously slept with the TPLF) continue to engage in wanton deceitful behavior to the point they have absolutely zero credibility and simply cannot be trusted. Some of these same lowlifes shamelessly continue to glorify and defend MZ and the TPLF. One would have hoped, that once the TPLF has been booted from power, that they would have wisely amended their treacherous course of action. To recall that once PMAA effected peace with Eritrea, that these same treacherous opposition lowlifes immediately started to relentless attack him. To recall that when PMAA was elected into power that Ethiopia was in its second state of emergency and on the brink of collapse, there were 2.4 million IDPs and tens of thousands of political prisoners to include journalists. PMAA quickly lifted martial law, released political prisoners and apologized for the violence and excesses of the state. He crisscrossed the country promoting unity and peace and extended an olive branch to Eritrea, ending a two-decades-long cloud of war and stalemate. He laid out plans to partially privatize key state-owned enterprises. His office reviewed the ease of doing business index to improve Ethiopia’s investment climate by streamlining regulation, making it easier to start a business and boosting access to finance. PMAA significantly expanded political space. Today there are more private newspapers than at any time over the past 15 years. For the first time in more than two decades, no journalist is behind bars in Ethiopia……yet the TPLF -apologist- opposition lowlifes continue their relentless attack on PMAA.

  • iSem

    Al-Bashir Sent to Ela-Ero:

    Hi Awatista:
    After 30 years of tyrannical rule, after murdering the Darfur people in ethnic cleansing rage for which he had been indicted by the ICC, after his week long house arrest in his comfortable presidential palace, Al-Bashir has been transferred to Kober Prison. Kober is known for its harsh environment and maximum security and solitary confinement in Khartoum where political dissidents had languished for years under Al-Bashir’s rule and before
    And the AU, a pantheon of dictators has given the new military rule a deadline to transfer power to civilian rule. Laughable. AU nice words. And I agree. But to be morally superior Africa needs to create an UCAC (Union of Civilized African Countries), a union that would isolate dictators like IA and the others who ruled for decades.
    Although superficially Sudan is seeming intact with dominate religion and language, it is very diverse society with over 70 language and ethnicity. And for its 56 years as a nation it has not made any demonstrable effort to unit and honor human rights. Its history is that of domination and systematic and outright elimination. SA ignited rebellion after Numeiry borrowed Islamic Sharia from S. Arabia and that led to SA to seceded. And if this military coup does not go well, if rival military faction takes some action, we are looking at a region that will engulf in fire. If this happens (touch wood), there is no one to blame except the leaders who goofed around for 56 years, the AU whose many its members are killers like Al-Bashir

    • Lamek

      iSem is back on fire. Great analysis. I always think how IA thinks prison (his prisons at that) is something of a picnic place. Do you think berbere taatinu zifelit seb would do that to someone else? It’s analogous.

      • iSem

        Hi Lamek:
        The mind of dictators is mind boggling, I think the control and power changes their brain structure. maybe we should image their brains after they die find otut. But think of Sadam who came from rags to riches then squandered the opportunity and went back to rags again and got sent to the gallows. Think of Gaddaffi who died like a dog, now Al-Bashir.
        Still rumor had it that Bashir escaped to SA and the protesters do not trust the military ad rightly so. And IA thinks he will defy all that. But Mengistu still defied that thanks to Mugabe, and now with Jesus Abiye and his body PMHD, who stupidly took photo with him, no hope to face justice.
        Africa need to purge all dictators and must hand criminals to ICC. If the oldies refuse to do so, as the Sudanese youth and ppl showed, the new thinking will do it. It is then and that Africa can truly be out of the woods; by sending every dictator to the ICC. They want to create their own version of UN with veto power.
        Now if the coup does not go well, Darfur rebellion for separation will ignite( do not blame them, who want to live with physically and verbally and emotionally abusive murderous part of Sudan), the East may also be ignited and even others less know separation movements and Sudan will be chipped away

        • Hope

          Selamat Wed Abuye Andom or Ahmed Kerrar:
          Welcome back.
          “”Now if the coup does not go well, Darfur rebellion for separation will ignite( do not blame them, who want to live with physically and verbally and emotionally abusive murderous part of Sudan), the East may also be ignited and even others less know separation movements and Sudan will be chipped away
          .
          Blame the dumb Al Beshir and its Islamic Leadership.
          Am afraid that will be the case.
          Feel bad for the Sudanese.
          Eastern Sudan including Kessela, will be back to its “Original Owners”.
          Hope to see you next July at the heart of Toronto.

          • iSem

            Hey Halye Hobay 😉
            You keep promising to see me in Toronto and you never keep it. I will hold you accountable this time. Berad Shai on me Welahi, aley atelaq;-)
            Let us hope, the the military smartens up and hands power to civilian soon and returns back to its job, protecting people and not dictators
            Let hope it does not implode. Well Al-Bashir came to power because the parl. speaker, Turabi decided to do a coup on the elected Umma Sadig M, whose was his brother in law. And now General Ouf and Bashir are brother in laws. Sudan is complicated. Even if the military hands power to civilian, it will be volatile for decades till democracy takes root because one faction or one tribe may deposed elected government like Egypt and Sudan in 1989.

          • Hope

            Ahlen iSem;
            Yep—Al Beshir and Al Turabi completely destroyed the Sudan for nothing!
            The largest and even one of the richest African nations…being shattered down like a glass is but sad.
            Am glad they failed to apply that sham on Eritrea in early to mid 1990s and later on along with the TPLF Gang.
            That was the fate Eritrea and Eritreans were predestined to go through and to end up thru the yes of our bloody enemies.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Ahlan Awates,

    GAS AND PETROLEUM PIPE LINES PROJECTS

    I have written , before one or two weeks, about a railway project from Eritrea to west African countries ports, in the Atlantic Ocean. The purpose of this project is to transport goods from FAR and MIDDLE EAST to North and South America, besides Africa and Europe. The railway will be, approximately three to four thousand km, constructed on open plains. It will pass across three countries – Sudan, Chad and Cameroon – to its destination, North and South America. The railway – at its midway – would branch to North and South of Africa, to serve the peoples of Africa. Without a doubt, it will be a great boon to Africa and the world. The railway would be viewed by billions of the world peoples, whether in the West or East, as an indispensable lifeline. It would be the most vital scheme that spreads life to all directions of the world.

    I don’t want to pass, brother Berhe Y, without thanking him. He has proposed the spread of an internet cable line, to connect Africa with the outside world, along the same route of the railway. Naturally, the construction of the railway might unfold many un-thought about projects. Indubitably, the significance of the Red Sea would increase more than its present-day weight, specially, for Eritrea.

    Let me now focus on the focal project that I intend to advance, GAS and PETROLEUM PIPE LINES. For sure, both projects will make a revolution of tremendous changes in Eritrea, Africa and the rest of the world. These new projects will create a shift in living standard – of course, with many job opportunities – to the peoples of the region in general, and particularly, to the people of Eritrea. The pipe lines will stretch from Eritrea across Sudan, Chad to Cameroon ports, in the Atlantic Ocean. The length of each pipe line will be about 2000 to 2500 km that runs on open plains. The purpose of these pipe lines is to transport gas and petroleum that comes from Gulf countries, Iraq, Iran, previous USSR Republics and Russia, and pass them to Africa, North and South America through the Eritrea ports.

    At present, gas and petroleum could be imported to the Eritrean ports by tankers. In the future, they could be pumped under the Red Sea waters to the Eritrean ports. From Eritrea, they will be carried out by pipes directly to West Africa, Cameron. And from Cameroon they will be transported by huge tankers to North and South America. Moreover, it would provide many African countries with the required fuels. These pipe lines could serve billions of peoples in Africa, North and Latin America. The construction of these pipe lines is effortless, and with unbelievable reward to all the peoples of those parts of the world that they serve. Presently, the route that vessels take to reach North and South America or Africa is very long and the proposed project will cut cost and time to low levels.

    The projects are unchallenging to construct, and are with immediate revenue to both exporters and importers. All the projects I suggested are undemanding, but the gas and petroleum pipe lines projects are uncomplicated and vital.

    Aha! ደቂ ኤረ: Do you aspire to be masters in the world, or prefer to be annexed (Meddamer) to the SOUTH where slavery, poverty, retardation, misery, and where law is alien? One more question: What is your evaluation to those who attitudinize elites, but pant for serfdom and wretchedness?

    Al-Arabi

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Hameed,

      You out of the box thinking is quite admirable. You know Emirate airline started with 10 million dollars investment in 1985 and now it has over 250 fleet and over 13 billion dollar in revenue.

      Virgin Atlantic was started with almost zero investment but a business plan and borrowed airlines.

      AirAsia of was started by Tune group with $1 dollar investment of a failing airline.

      Keep bringing these wonderful ideas and they will materialize one day. Eritrea is blessed with so much natural wealth and hard working people.

      Your post nudge me to search what other possibility that exist that we can take advantage. And there is quite a lot of study done with wind energy in the coastal Eritrea as well as solar energy and desalination of sea water, and the sky should be the limit if we actually be bold enough to materialize.

      Berhe

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Ahlan Berhe Y,

        Really, you are a free-mind thinker who yearns to propose and nurture his mind with matured great ideas, in order, to pick the present from misery, and build a promising civilized future. For you, I think, history is just a lesson, not the struggle issue.

        Al-Arabi

  • Blink

    Dear all
    60 Tigrians are dead trying to cross to the Arabs and not a single person from weyane activists report it except the Abraha Desta , plus yesterday was a cleaning day for all Ethiopians but when Tegaru go out to clean the national cleaning action they were arrested by weyane police . Weyane shouldn’t play by Tigrians live in order to keep their power and their money .

    Weyane the killing machine of the past 27 years are left in Tigray and it seems they have no card to pull . They tried to benefit from the ethnic politics by turning the Amhara against Oromo and against the Tigrians but they didn’t get what they wanted . Weyane were ready to commit a genocide over Tigrians and Amhara after their Somali region card was killed . What will they do now ?

    • Brhan

      Hi Blink,
      The fact that you only report about Tigrians crossing trying to cross to the Arabs, shows you either do not know about Eritreans doing the same thing crossing …to “the Arabs” Israel or Europe or you ignore it. Currently there are many Eritreans caught on fire in Libya! If you can’t comment on this , just pray for them!! Nata gidfas nay hamata….

      • Blink

        Dear Brhan
        It is a news item at the moment unless who can forget about Eritreans migration? By the way Arabs and Tegaru both are not an insulting word , it is simply irrelevant what is insulting at this specific case because the issue is not that Arabs or Tegaru are insulting words , the issue is simply to send a message that unless you agree with certain things of som people’s opinion. I don’t hate the Arabs and Tigrians , how on earth someone hate millions of people ? There is not even a single word of insult against anyone in my comments but the fact must be stated with names that fits and it is fact that 60 Tigrians died crossing not to Western Africa they were all dead crossing to ME where the majority of arabs live .

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Gedab,
    There is a weird stuff from both AU and IGAD, at different levels, on Sudan. AU condemned the coup (which is it in essence) and stopped short of denouncing it strongly and excommunicating the new guys. This was not the tradition. IGAD acted totally uncharacteristically and issued a statement that looks like copied from the Gulf Powers. Now what! IGAD (Ethiopia) is working for KSA and UAE?!
    Damn! Sudan is a strategic depth for Ethiopia and Eritrea. These two countries must have a clearly defined national interests from which they act and react consistently and predictably. The worst colossal geopolitical mistake countries can commit are when they enter a tendency of treating strategic issues with a sense of relativism.
    We seem to have achieved compatibility of policies between Ethiopia and Eritrea, but it is a compatibility of stupidism. Oh.. Ethiopia, when we wanted you to pull out all the region higher, you are joining the clubs of the tinier of banana republics. Sad!

    • Selamat Hayat Adem,

      For all those years I reminisce over our warm conversations, I never bothered to look into Ethiopian matters through its media, now very sophisticated, outlets. In fact I measured the well being or lack thereof, essentially the Eritrea’s heartbeat through Awate ‘s articles and forum discussions. By coincidence, as if I have been added -Tedemronal- I have all of a sudden grown much more interest on Ethiopian matters and thorough Ethiopian media I am following as best as I can.

      As luck would have it President Isaias Afeworqi stands to gain from a KSA and UAE leaning Sudanese military rulers. Only days before the changes in the Sudan, Eritrea filed the complaint agains the other axis of alliance in contention. Perhaps it was Isaias sending code to the Sudanese military to alleviate his worries and the Sudanese Military obliges. Here we have a scenario of Eritrea’s Isaias telegraphing his direction through a military coup in the Sudan, at the very least wished for the the ending outcome, and through similar maneuverings the TPLF is instigating through Ethiopia’s military the abundance of loyalty to PM Abbie in favor of the TPLF to initiate the complete about turn towards the policies of Ethiopia’s TPLF dominant leadership of yesteryear. Where as Isaias orchestrates a military coup in the Sudan through his bizarre accusation, the TPLF is positioning itself to give the clarion call for a military takeover of the current Ethiopian government.

      Of course all of the above is fiction. I have a theory that Isaias murdered Ermias Asgedom aka Nipsey Hussel. It is a theory that can’t be much less credible than the nutcase pseudo Author of fiction Yemane T/Giorgis. And the TPLF assisted Isaias in the murdering. ITs a theory just a theory.

      You said: “We seem to have achieved compatibility of policies between Ethiopia and Eritrea, but it is a compatibility of stupidism. Oh.. Ethiopia, when we wanted you to pull out all the region higher, you are joining the clubs of the tinier of banana republics. Sad!”

      The “it is a compatibility of stupidest. ” is due to their contract agreement they signed. As Eritrea’s Foreign minister PM Abbie cannot veer away from Eritrea’s Isaias foreign policy.
      De diHRi Adgi zkhedes TTiraTT lemede is a good way to close.

      I suppose a reemergent TPLF will restore the order of the right way to do things and “pull out all the region higher,…” just like we wanted Ethiopia to do. Yeah… but I have just one and only dilemma. It is the TPLF which I don’t have a favorable opinion of.
      And now for the closing: De diHRi Adgi zkhedes TTiraTT lemede!

      DediHri abzi taHti ferimu zelo zekhede Khe?

      tSAtSE

      • Blink

        Dear Tsatse
        Is the conspiracy about Nepisey a sarcastic joke against the weyane digital army or you are developing the theory behind it ? I just don’t understand how can an American rapper be put in such conspiracy.

  • Brhan

    Hi All,

    Now that Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates are going to boost the military council with bread and butter, the people of Sudan will stop demonstrating and in the contrary support the council.
    The council seems to go along with SA and UAE, and unlike Al- Bashir, distance itself completely from Qatar. The demonstration that started with the rise cost of bread and oil finally got its answer due to foreign police compromise. This doesn’t mean some Sudanese are not standing up for their political rights regardless of food. The issue becomes what can you do when the majority are OK with the cost due to money being poured by the richest Arab countries.

  • Hi All,

    The Eritrean First Lady and her daughters are visiting Ethiopia. Ethio-Eritrean rapprochement seems to be continuing after all despite the oppositions.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Harizon
      First there is no a First Lady position in Eritrea and second she has only one daughter. The rapprochement is still personal.

      • Hi Amanul,
        “First Lady is an unofficial title used for the wife of a non-monarchical head of state or executive.” Wikipedia. You may deny the reality on the ground, but that does not change anything. This is not the the problem of eritrea. The problem lies somewhere else.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan Horizon,

          The people of Eritrea doesn’t recognize Isaias, the Ethiopian Spy, how do you want them to recognize his wife? It is amazing, you make agreements with a pyrate, and you exert pressure blindly in order the people of Eritrea to accept your rapprochement with a pyrate.

          The West, the civilized world, has one good trait. When they sense their project is failed, they give in; they don’t press it to the end. In retarded world, they stress on it to the end; things for them are either black or white. I wonder, how far these 3000 years old nation is back. Forget about Eritrea, you have many homework to do to get rid of spreading your hands for alms from the white. My friend, wake up. The world has changed a lot, and you are there still 3000 years or more back. You speak as someone just get out of a grave after 3000 years of death.

          Al-Arabi

          • Hi Al-Arabi,
            Your obsession with the 3000 history is really preposterous, to say the least. It is as if it is encoded in your dna or you are programmed that you can’t comment without resorting to the 3000 yrs history and that ethiopia is a poor country. Eritrea is part of this ancient history (at least highland eritrea) and she is not known for her riches. How can you reconcile with these facts as much as eritrea is concerned? Remember, Eritrea is not arabia.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Horizon,

            First remember, Eritrea is not Ethiopia, even the highlands of Eritrea. Eritrea is not for sale at slave-market to the poorest country in the world.

            Secondly, the 3000 years old nation, you have glued it to my psych, encoded in my dna. I wonder, why do you hate to hear 3000 years old nation. If you want me to stop writing that 3000 year old nation, a nation that reminds contemporary world the era of Adem and Eve, you have to declare it to the world publicly that all that history is fake, and crumble and accept your real size and position.

            Al-Arabi

          • Kaleb

            Hameed Al-Arabi,
            You said “even the highlands of Eritrea. Eritrea is not for sale at slave-market to the poorest country in the world”
            why do you have to single out highlands of Eritrea in this case? Look, every society has 3000 history, the question becomes what kind of history, does that history include civilization or not? “Civilization is the stage of human social development and organization which is considered most advanced”, generally it includes “human development, advancement, progress, enlightenment, culture, cultivation, refinement, sophistication, communication, and way of life of a particular area”, according to this some part of Ethiopia and most part of Eritrea had this civilization. I have visited the remains of those civilizations, they still exist, it tells me that what kind of society used to live at that time in those area. There is not fake about it, go and see yourself. For example, Egyptian civilization is true, the Axumite civilization is true.
            Taken from “https://www.khanacademy.org/”, Aksum developed a civilization and empire whose influence, at its height extended throughout the regions lying south of the Roman Empire, from the fringes of the Sahara in the west, across the Red Sea to the inner Arabian desert in the east. The Aksumites developed Africa’s only indigenous written script, Ge’ez. They traded with Egypt, the eastern Mediterranean and Arabia. Despite its power and reputation—it was described by a Persian writer as one of the four greatest powers in the world at the time.
            You can go to Axum and observer yourself, there is no fake about it. Thus, this tells me some part of Ethiopia and Eritrea used to be most the advanced society at that time. The last 1000 years was downward-spiral. I don’t know about you but if I don’t pride by those civilizations then I have a problem.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Kaleab,

            I hope by now, you are well acquainted with Satan. You could depict him finely and lecture about him to those who don’t know him. Leave the kids games of copy and paste. Speak about the most essential issues. Visiting the mirror again and again would give you indefinite knowledge. I know you are Al-jizani, the bane of the region, plague of Eritrea.

            Al-Arabi

        • Amanuel

          Hi Horizon
          While you are at Wikipedia have a look IA has only one daughter, officially anyway.

          • Hi Amanuel,
            If IA has one daughter or two, it does not make invalid the fact that his wife is called the First Lady. You have put the cart before the horse. You have to remove the dictator first to annul her title. You people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Her title has nothing to do with the actions of her husband, unless she is participating actively in the government, which she doesn’t seem to be.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Horizon
            You don’t get it “The Eritrean First Lady and her daughters are visiting Ethiopia”

          • Paulos

            Selam Aman,

            Hope I am not reading too much into it but the visit of the lady with her daughter in the company of Osman Saleh and Yemane in a time when the EPRDF regular meeting which is to start today is rather interesting. For what it is worth timing is always crucial.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Paulos,
            The issue with Horizon was that he said “The Eritrean First Lady and her daughters are visiting Ethiopia” and I am trying to tell him she has only one daughter.
            If it was not personal rapprochement at least Alamin would been there.

          • Paulos

            Selam Aman,

            Let alone him who is not an Eritrean, I honestly don’t even know how many daughters and sons the guy has. As you know, everything is sort of shrouded not only in mystery, he hardly opens up about basic stuff of his personal life which is what normal leaders do.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Paulos
            Horizon mentioned Wikipedia and I pointed out to him to read about IA Children and correct his mistake.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            This EPRDF session could be crucial and should be closely watched. This forum needs keen observers like Amde, Fanti and Haile TG on one side, saay7, Paulos, Aman H, Johar, Hayat etc on the other. How this session would unfold and finish could render indications on how Dr Abij’s government will proceed on vis-a-vis the current critical situation and role of the governing coalition.

          • Nitricc

            This forum needs keen observers like Amde, Fanti and Haile TG on one side, saay7, Paulos, Aman H, Johar, Hayat etc on the other

            Hi Ismail: I think it should be like …..This forum needs keen observers like Amde, Fanti and HAYAT on one side, saay7, Paulos, Aman H, Johar, HAILE TG etc on the other.The strange thing you count Haile TG as EThiopian and HAYAT the dedebit as Eritrean. indeed strange.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Niricc,

            Thanks for correcting me on Haile TG; I should have indeed been cautious. My sincere apology to Haile. But, on Hayat, I am not willing to share your view; she is bona fide Eritrean with razor sharp critical mind. I did differ with her views on some issues and debated with her, but with unqualified respect and admiration for her courage and combative stature.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ismailo,

            Her is my prediction on the outcome of the emergency meeting of EPRDF.

            (a) Since there is no other organization or alliance than EPRDF that could pull out Ethiopia from the mess they found themselves. EPRDF will come strong and unite. The try and error of the unexperienced PM who was working without the consultation of the EPRDF party that brought him to power did finally understood his mistake that he can not be successful with EPRDF. He tried to split EPRDF to form the alliance of ODP And ADP to fight against TPLF SEPDM and OLF that worsened the security of the people and the nation. Now when ADP and OPD are in political skirmishes, he understood the indispensable political instrument of EPRDF in the redemption of the country.

            (b) The advice of the regional and international geopolitical actors to switch from mixed economy of “developmental state” to a “market economy” will found it difficult so they will come with the understanding to maintain the “developmental state” economy.
            (c) They will come with the understanding to tighten the security to stabilize the country including the state of emergency if is needed.

            (d) probably they might postpone the regular election that was scheduled in 2020 until they control the security situation of their country. Hint: the censuses that was arranged to be launched before the election is not start yet.

            (e) Because of the unresolved border issue and because the Eritrean people want the border want be demarcate before any other cooperation, they will come to some kind of understanding to give priority to the border before to proceed to the other agreements.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman H,

            The points you stated make sense to a politician who knows how to practice pragmatic approaches to manage a nation in transition rife with contradictory and conflicting interests; that Ethiopia has been experiencing such a situation cannot be gainsaid. I think those who are on the saddle of power in Ethiopia should have by now realized that dismantling an established foundation in transforming state building situation is easier than rushing for a replacement. It is always better to build on existing infrastructure than trying to construct a new one, and hoping make an extension from there simultaneously. I do concur with you that the 2020 election won’t be realistic for the reasons you stated, among which the most critical is the census. Anyway, this EPRDF session and its out come will be crucial in many ways, its impact on Eritrea included.

          • Kaleb

            Hi Amanuel,
            Great insight. He (AA) created the mess, he has to apologize to the Ethiopian people and back to EPRDF way of doing business.
            The only thing that I have doubt is on “e”, I wish they could do that but I don’t think TPLF will agree on that, I agree that it could be part of the discussion however as long as IA is in power they will not give him validation. However if IA is gone I think TPLF will agree 100% to demarcate the border immediately. From TPLF angle, IA is on the verge of collapse, so instead of demarcating now it’s better to wait and let IA admin collapse and work with Eritrean people to demarcate the border. Personally I would like the demarcation to happen today but that will give IA validation.
            Do you think border demarcation is a priority than ousting IA? I would prefer elimination of IA first.

          • Alex

            Hi Kaleb,
            It is naivete to think ” However if IA is gone I think TPLF will agree 100% to demarcate the border immediately. TPLF have been lieing the tigray people for 20 years that badme is part of Tigray in fact the EEBC verdict stated otherwise.

          • Selamat Ayya Amanuel Hidrat,

            Where you typed EPRDF in your above comment, for some reason I consistently read TPLF.
            The question is will the reemergent TPLF top heavy EPRDF handle the border issue as a dispute between a Kilil, Tigray, and Eritrea maintaining the partially opened and closed Ethio-Eritrean border as it is now OR treat the border issue as an unresolved issue between all of Ethiopia and Eritrea and close all the border crossing on par with Tigrai Kilil?

            Isaias’ wife Saba is delivering a message of goodwill from Isaias to the TPLF. She will slip a note in some social gatherings of dignitaries during the emergency EPRDF meeting. And I would not rule out an Ethiopian military coup as the TPLF already made a statement of invitation to the Ethiopian military to side with the TPLF. The one thing strong on Abbie’s corner is his international standings that will for sure condemn any unlawful TPLF coup. Based on that I will put my OTBet on the long horse PM AAA.

            It is the TPLF, I just don’t trust them.

            tSAtSE

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Solomon,

            Good to see you back. Now I don’t believe on the Eritrean politics when they equate EPRDF to TPLF (EPRDF=TPLF). Absolutely not true. It is a political diet for consumption to the Eritrean public to rally against TPLF. And it is bad politics anyway. Any Ethiopian leader from any of the organization that constitute EPRDF will come without the blessing of EPRDF, at least up to now. Who ever was and is a Prime minister is always the leader of the EPRDF. It is as simple as that. (Strike one)

            Another true whenever the Prime misters hold the office of the Prime minister, they are not the leaders of TPLF or OPDO or any of the other parties that constitute the EPRDF. They elect other leaders of the parties (strike two).

            On the border issue: On the power of the “central” (federal government) and the periphery (the kilils) is not delineated clearly and hence there is disagreement between the “states/kilils” and the “Federal Government”. Now, when PM Abiy tried to act without the consultation of the EPRDF party and purposely alienated the TPLF in the resolution of the border (check all the visits of the leaders) then they retreat to their kilil to mobilize their people to defend for any eventual conspiracy against them. It has nothing to do with the border. After all if the despot has said the border is not priority publicly, I don’t understand why we Eritreans are throwing the problem to TPLF. Tigray people need Peace more than any Ethiopian kilils. The peace that bypass them is not Peace at all. The peace is needed between Eritrean and tigrain people (strike three).

            On the Energency of EPRDF meeting: The PM who was trying to disassemble the EPRDF front-party, finally understood his mistake, that he could not unite Ethiopia without EPRDF. He called the leaders of the parties that formed the EPRDF to discuss with them on the security and stability of the country before they set up the date of the emergency meeting of EPRDF council. No single party can unite Ethiopia at this crucial time. Hence for all intend and purposes he need badly the “front party”. TPLF have any interest in the power of central government. They are totally committed in the development of their state. It is the demand of Tigray people. So your prediction does not reflect to the realities of Ethiopia and the plan of the Tigray people (strike four).

            Regard

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,
            1) There is no “shortage” of political organization in Ethiopia; there are plenty of them.

            2) there is no indicative information if the EPRDF we know rejuvinated itself, ( by learning from the events prior to pmaaa election).
            2.1) it is too early to have political confidence on EPRDF.

            Thanks

          • Nitricc

            Hi MEZ; I don’t know if you are thinking the way I am but for Ethiopia federalism system is the way to go. Having said that; federalism only works when states are weaker than the federal government! What you have in Ethiopia is that the states are much stronger than the federal I.e disobeying the federal authority. That is the reason you have all this demonstrations, killings and lawlessness. Observing the behavior and the conduct of TPLF and OLF; I have less fate on federalism working for Ethiopia. But if you really fix this thing real quick and effectively; what Ethiopia need is a strong dictator, strong enough that commands respect and fear from all toothless powers in Ethiopia.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Yourself also included and of course on the Eritrean side. And many thanks for the respect and confidence.

            I say, to the very least it is crystal clear by now who the key players with in the unfolding showdown are. It is between Democratic Federalists as in TPLF/OLF [ወያኦነግ] and chauvinist Unitarians ODP/ADP. More over, what has become clear is that, if EPRDF as a party with a clear platform is in a life-support, it is precisely because it has essentially morphed into a single party as in TPLF.

            It is with that in mind that, the session is going to be a tense political battle between TPLF and the other three which have hitherto been rendered weak and dysfunctional due to lack of clear political manifesto. To be more precise, Team Lemma has erroded ODP when the former in tandem with Qeero turned their political weapon into demographics and geography. By the same token, ADP has been rendered weak by the rising Amara National Movement [ANM] whose aim is to bring back the age old Amara glory again based on demographics and geography as well and hence the alliance ኦሮ-ማራ.

            TPLF’s talking point will be centered on the reality on the ground whereby the nation is headed into a failed state precisely because not only Aby’s lack of charisma and strong personality but because of the party’s off the rails which had sustained the nation through strong security and impressive economic performance as well before he took the mantle of power.

            On the other hand, the indictment against EPRDF by the likes of Dawit Weldegiorgis, Goshu Weldie, Kassa Kebede in the campany of Birhanu Nega and Endargachew Tsige is that, they are putting all the blame to the inherent flaws of the party of EPRDF. And for a conniving reason, they are calling for Abiy to resign so that they can call for a Transitional Government in a bid to abrogate the Constitution and dissolve the Parliament so that they can begin the process of a Presidential System and a Unitarian State. That in mind, TPLF will not press for Abiy to resign but they will fight to bring back EPRDF to its old self with out changing the leadership including Abiy and the rest.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Thanks for laying down a good positional premises from which the debate inside the EPDRF current session ought to be watched. The stakes of the principal players, which are mostly informed by demographic numbers rather than programmatic statements, appear to be noticeably set.

            But what the post Derg multifaceted developments had attained have long nullified Oro-mara type of project you have discussed. The return to diehard Habesha centric unitarianism has lost efficacy though its elitist proponents who are actually distributed across the board ethno-social spectrum, gyrate around the working constitutional ethnic federalism by way of plotting to find an opening that can lead them to the center.

            This was what they hoped Abij and Team Lemma could provide understanding the difficulty of achieving it through normal constitutional process. They thought a short cut way could avail through praising and promoting Dr. Abij whom they now found him to be an asset turned liability because he had lost the constituency they had hoped to carry him through to do the bid – abandon the ERRDF, form a favorable government, abrogate the constitution and run the next election at convenience on the basis of a new constitution to return to a sort of status quo ante around what they term as “ethiopiyawinet”.

            Now, the EPRDF session is being held with changed political set up in the background. Priorities appear to have shifted. For pragmatists, the principal concern is unity of the nation in which security and the tools that can guarantee it would be critical.

          • Mez

            Dear Paulos,
            1) ኦሮ-ማራ shall be seen from ethnicity perspective.

            1.1) They are peoples of mixed heritage (amhara + oromo).

            2) The rest of your presentation is an open discussion.
            3) one last point, PM AAA came to power due to the stagnation, disorientation, and more of corrupted political leadership of the EPRDF.
            3.1) there is little, if any, house cleaning done by any of the four-EPRDF branchs; hence a lot needs to be done to make EPRDF the best leading political movement again–I would say a transformative make over.

            thanks

          • Paulos

            Selam Mez,

            My apologies for the belated reply.

            Let’s step back a century or so when Amhara settlers in Oromia created a bourgeoisie class where it morphed into a Nobility-Military complex [Colloquially known as ነፍጠኛ] that had usurped not only the Oromia consciousness but Amharized every cultural and social aspect to the extent of the Oromos picking up an Amhara given names in a bid to be accepted by the ruling elites.

            In light of the said historical threads, the Oromo uprising was not only valid but the latter day Constitutionally enacted Ethnic Based Federalism gives credence and lasting solution to the Oromia question shy of sessesion.

            The assertion that the Amharas and Oromos own unity in blood relations betrays the testament of history for they had been considered second class citizens by the former. As such, in a time when the old ghost is lurking around to turn the tide, the Oromos can not afford to be complacent for what they had demanded for almost a generation is put not only to test but it is on a shaky ground.

            To be more precise, the Oromo intelligentsia as in Team Lemma are conspiring with the Amhara elites in an attempt to corrode the rights of nations and nationalities so that the Federal system would be replaced by a power pinned in the center.

            If there is any power that can challenge the rising threat to the Federal system is the recently emboldened TPLF by gravitating OLF in its wing including the other nationalities on the periphery as well. If public opinion is to be persuaded at all, Abiy thus far has nothing to show for as the nation is headed into a failed state where to the very least the Unitarian talk is already dead on arrival. The choice that is left for the nation to stand on a firm ground is not obscure so to speak, the only way out as you have aptly put it is, for EPRDF to cleanse itself and come out disciplined and strong as well.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            You said: “…when Amhara settlers in Oromia created a bourgeoisie class where it morphed into a Nobility-Military complex [Colloquially known as ነፍጠኛ] that had usurped not only the Oromia consciousness but Amharized every cultural and social aspect …”

            You seem to have swallowed the narrative of the persecution complex driven Oromo ‘elite’, hook, line and sinker.

            The truth is that the Oromo were themselves invaders of lands which were not empty. These lands can at best be called disputed.

            Recall also that the Oromo have ruled Ethiopia either directly or by proxy for the last 500 years..

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            History is replete with societies who had been victims of exploitation and colonization but who had also turned the Pyramid of power and exploited other societies or their very own. As you have correctly stated, Ras Gugsa of the Yejju Dynasty, for instance.

            One can also cite the intellectual depth where Franz Fannon’s book “Black Skin White Mask” illustrates the need of the oppressed to emulate its “master” as it tries to exploit again either others who are down trodden or its own people.

            In the early years of Colonial America, there were Blacks who owned slaves. And it is intellectual dishonesty to undermine the struggle for equal rights based on the sporadic incidents in history. And the Oromo question was not an exception where it was a just cause for them to rise up against the land grabbers and Amhara chauvinists.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Is this conflict “…a just cause for them to rise up against the land grabbers and Amhara chauvinists”?

            or

            is this a conflict between two land grabbers [one good at fake crying and the other skilled at deception]?

            Might is Right.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Ur statements above can only come from a very sad and miserable person, it only shows nothing but how sad, miserable and ill wisher u r.
            anyways let me just tell u some of the facts here
            1st the “nefettegnas” were not just amaras, there were a lot of show oromos in it, menelik himself is half oromo on his mother side, ras mekonen father woldemekial was half oromo from his father side and ras gobana is full oromo. some of the “nefettegnas” who settled in arese(aruse) and harere r oromos from shawa. for them it is like yohanes of tembem invading “enderta or adawa or adigerat. It is same thing.
            As u know through pm position midget meles tried and failed and dead ,so u better see a psychiatrist.

          • Paulos

            ሃለውለው ኣይትበል!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            got help, u think u r thinking normal but u r not, so u need to see a doc or something

          • Selamat DAPPaulos,

            You have violated a forum posting guideline. You have skipped the salutation or the addressing of the person you are communicating with. Your post should have read:
            “Hi or Selamat Teodros Alem,
            Halewlew Aytibel!”

            zban Higi

            tSAtSE

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Sometimes, your perspective is a new ounce of historical fact that one can’t bypass it without reading it. Keep up. Where is Ismailo our historian in this forum to to give more light in to it?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            u r thinking the dispute of land will trigger a fight, right? One thing that u need to know is , right now on the ground, if u take the mixture of amara and oromo as ethnic groups they r by far the 3rd ethnic group in ethiopia, and they mostly father oromo and mother amara.

          • Lamek

            Teodros, good point. Mengie and Menelik II (I think he is the other way around) fit in this category. As long as subsistence farming is the survival mode in Ethiopia with no crops grown for export or trading, there will be land fighting and no peace. The economy has to be open and modernized as much as possible, then people might put a little less value on holding dear to their lands. The best way to do this is to not concentrate virtually all the country’s wealth in A.A. Ethiopia’s problems are so immense that what sounds logical or theoretically achievable for one is a dead on arrival proposal for the other. Developmental state appeared to be a great experiment but it depends on so much foreign aid, loans, so it is really hard to sustain. What we see now is the result of the unsustainability of what MZ started.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam lamek
            I don’t know where most people got the idea that all the wealth r concentrating in addis? ethiopia gdp r 45% agriculture, 44% service and 11% industry .
            as far as i know addis have 11% of the total gdp of the country.

          • Lamek

            Teodros, okay go ahead make the point for the Oromo people. You picked on one thing I said and munched on it. In any case, no one can deny that Addis has seen an extraordinary growth in the past few decades. If you are going to tell me that it doesn’t possess a huge chunk of the wealth of your country, then you are in denial. It has grown so much that the integrated plan wanted to incorporate even larger chunks of Oromo land, which led to the demise of the TPLF. Again, my point is your economy has to be diversified or you have to leave the Oromos alone because this is what they are telling you (an exerpt I got from The Guardian, two years ago):

            “It is a land grab, an eviction, a new invasion,” says Gataa. “This is Oromo land. Already we have been pushed to the outskirts of the city. Now they push us further so they can build and develop and construct. The farmers have to go. They get jobs on the construction sites on the land where they lived. There is no question of compensation, or any benefit. So what do you expect? Land is everything for the Oromo. It is our culture and identity. It is a matter of life and death.”

          • Teodros Alem

            selam lamek
            let me try this way addis population is lessthan 4 % of ethiopian people and 11%(it varies year after year) of ethiopia gdp, as u can tell it is the richest admenstration region in ethiopia by far but don’t mean the country wealth is concentrated there because 89% of the gdp is outside of addis.
            It is so sad starved woyanes came and sold oromo lands with out a proper composition for the farmers and spent the looted money on pristitutes of addis and am sure 3A and team lama will correct it.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros Alem,
            According to your comment, I would think “Prostitute of Addis” are the wealthiest segment of the Ethiopian population! Interesting to know.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh johar
            Prostitute don’t live a programed and disciplined life . that is.the problem.
            It is like a neighborhood drug dealers money.

          • Paulos

            ኣያይ,

            ናይ’ዚ ወዲ’ዚ ዓጀውጀው መወዳእታ የብሉን።

          • Millennium

            HI Simon:

            Politics is ultimately about resource control. Based on the current assessment of the distribution of resources in the country, I am of the opinion that the Oromos think they will fare better under the current federal arrangement. Notwithstanding the veracity of who subjugated who in the past, “history” is being used to justify the choice for that political and economic arrangement. The one think I really do not understand is how TPLF thinks that the current federal arrangement is in the best interest of the people of Tigray? can you share your perspective on that?

            Millennium

          • Selam Millennium,

            If you allow me to put my two birr worth, I do not think that tplf is concerned with the interest of the people of tigray. It is all about power as much as it is concerned. Any other political arrangement will put tplf out of the power game and it will be restrict to its 6%, whatever power that may give it. Tplf hopes that olf will one day control oromia, one way or the other, and it believes that by riding on the back of olf, tplf could control ethiopia again. Hence the love affair between tplf and olf.

            Regional federalism or unitary system (the later extremely difficult to come back to ethiopia), both will put tplf far from power. Nevertheless, in my opinion, for the time being, at least for the near future, due to the political polarization and the fact that the majority of ethiopians (70% millennials), know only about ethnic federalism than any other political form. In addition, as the result of the long term brainwashing by tplf, identity and hate politics, a portion of the young generation, especially those from oromo ethnic group and some others, believe that only ethnic politics guarantees their rights and their tribal myths, despite its drawbacks as we see today, which puts ethiopia’s very existence in question. Even then, the last three decades of tplf brainwashing so that the young will have a weakened sentimental attachment to the essence of ethiopia does not seem to have fully achieved its goal in the broad spectrum of the young generation.

            If i am not mistaken, those who have lived through the last three political orders in ethiopia are the ones who want one of the two, regional federalism (my choice) and centralized government (others). This shows that centralized system of government is the choice of the nostalgic oldies, while most ethiopians at the end of the day may be satisfied with regional federalism, as most countries of the world are.

            Unfortunately, ethiopia has many enemies, both internal and external, the ones from within for the sake of power and money and those from the outside for the sake of geopolitical interests. Ethiopia will pass through the tempest unscathed to the disappointment of her enemies. She is meant to be!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            1st tplf knows olf is way smarter than them, they know it and everybody knows it, u can compare tplf and it’s symptozers with that of olf and it is clear there is no way tplf can ride on the back of olf.
            May be olf have a big chance to ride on the back of tplf.
            2nd, tplf and tigrai elites problems r mainly psychological driven by marrow tribalism and inferiority complex.
            3nd the best arrangement for the people of tigrai is a democratic unitary gov that respect Thier language, this arrangement will better serve the people of tigrai by far the people of amara in amara kilil(not outside of amara kilil).

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Millennium,

            The Shoa Amhara, through an alliance with the Central and Western Oromo created present day Ethiopia. Up until the end of the monarchy, all the other ethnic groups were almost invisible in the life of the Ethiopian State.

            Ethnic federalism was designed to

            1) assuage the grievances of the various, ignored, ethnic groups
            2) break the backbone of the Shoa Amhara/Oromo ruling elite and paralyse their war making tendencies. I think, this was done, initially, with the blessing [wink and nudge] of the Eritrean leadership.

            Taken to its logical conclusions,ethnic federalism in the Ethiopian context, will not only be disadvantageous for resource poor Tigray, but also created strong Pan-Amhara [Shoa, Wello, Gojjam, Gondar] and Pan-Oromo [East, West, Central, South] movements, which is the opposite of TPLF’s intentions.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            2 correction 1, the shawa amara through alliance with mainly with the shawa oromo(both shawans) created the present day beautiful ethiopia,
            2nd, the backbone of feudalism was broken by derg.
            3rd, if u believe the shawa amara and shawa oromo backbone is broken now, i think u need to go and visit shawa and learn what break backbone means, it is the other way round, they r by far the strongest places in ethiopia by way way far strong.

          • Millennium

            Selam Simon and Horizon:

            Thanks for the good analysis. will come back to you later in the day; at work right now

            regards

          • Mez

            Good day Paulos,

            1) you cited a valid historical point by adding the last century unfolded events of “Nobility-Military complex ….ነፍጠኛ”.
            1.1) I would think there is more into it (in scope, complexity, dynamics, etc.) than what you presented.

            2) the contemporary crisis and challenge in defining and implementing federalism in Ethiopia, most likely, is caused by the entrenched STALINISM across a considerable segment of political proponents and antagonists.
            2.1) if the above ideology could reinvigorate itself and come in good service to the current socioeconomic dynamics of Ethiopia, is doubtful at most.

            3) you mentioned TPLF, OLF and Abiy by name:
            3.1) TPLF is “at most a mixed bag of contradictory conglomerate concepts” in every key policy indicators,
            3.1) Never tried to clean itself from corruption and never bothered to introduce transparency, accountability, and rule of law in itself. It is an opack secretive kind of organization,
            3.2) TPLF is an entity which didn’t like political competition on equal footage; as a core communist organization (this by the way characterizes the Eritrean historical and contemporary ELF/EPLF/PFDJ); it want to annex political power exclusively for itself only.
            3.3) OLF is currently in a transition (in to an open and all inclusive political movement); we have to learn more in the comming near future.
            3.4) as far as PM AAA action of the past 12 months,
            3.4.1) he had done profound political space opening to all potential players–irrespective of their outlook.
            3.4.2) he is still by far with an extremely high accumulation of political capital; this will help him navigate the Tsunami further.

            4) so, it is still quite a bit uncertain if tplf and olf coalition could win the comming Ethiopian election and govern.

            Thanks

          • Selamat Ayya Ismail AA,

            Do you suppose the TPLF will mount a coup by utilizing its military? Who is really in control in Ethiopia?

            tSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Selam tSAtSE Solomon wediHawey,

            Good to have you back. It’s difficult to answer the last part of your question; I think forces in many parts of the country. Regarding the TPLF, I would say call of duty reinforced by necessity will invite them to do their part within the EPRDF to stabilize the country.

          • Selamat Denmarkino AArkey Professor Paulos,

            Maybe she is delivering a good will message to the TPLF. Naturally she will be invited to event where dignitaries rub elbows and she may rub elbows with a DeberetSion or a GebertSadique.

            Yeah that’s it she is delivering a good will message from Isaias to the TPLF. One can never trust the maneuverings of the TPLF and HGDEF.

            tSAtSE

          • mokie berhe

            Salam GitSAtSe. TPLF security forces have been on a rampage in Mekelle since Sunday when they started locking up members of the opposition, notably Arena, and anyone that is sympathizing with PMAA. Many have been beaten badly in the process.

          • Selamat mokie berhe,

            The TPLF in the past year the most steady and stealthy in its maneuverings timing well of each of their steps. They galvanized their base, conserved their energy and then start pulling every card from the mines they left behind when they seemingly gave up power. It is as if they have had the script which they authored themselves. Their political ideology of ethnic federalism seems to have taken root in the Ethiopian society. They were all along directing the orchestra and narrating the story by conducting all the instruments in the orchestra.
            Very stealthy the TPLF are. On another note, I suspect that the TPLF has a baby project looming with their design of interference in Eritrean politics. I believe the newly formed organization with the name Bruh MetSaEi or Bright Future was hatched by the TPLF. They tend to have a long term goal of their desire to annex or unite Eritrea with Ethiopia but a much more sinister plan than that of the naive PM AAA tedemronal strategy.
            I still think the long shot horse PM AAA will win it by a horse’s nose. The TPLF has been wilding power in Ethiopia since they rose to power in ’91. Reigning in their pick PM and making it official that they never relinquished real power a year or so ago. Still they can be out maneuvered easily and the PM can do it still.

            tSAtSE

          • Haile S.

            Selam tSAtSE,

            You said “….Bright Future was hatched by the TPLF. They tend to have a long term goal of their desire to annex or unite Eritrea with Ethiopia but a much more sinister plan than that of the naive PM AAA tedemronal strategy…”
            This means, concerning Eritrea, there is harmony of plan between the opposing political organizations in Ethiopia. What is alarming is that there does not seem to exist harmony of plan among the Eritrean opposing organizations to keep the Eritrean sovereignty reverberating. Instead, perhaps more alarming and damaging to Eritreans, their opposing organizations are okay to flirt or go along with the plan of the Ethiopians sides provided one of the opposing organization does it, but not the other one.
            What hinders the opposing Eritrean groupies (the regime and others) to sit and talk to agree and work together on certain points of paramount importance to the existence of the country? Do you think, there is a sinister underhand activity working to keep these two opposing Eritrean forces as far apart as possible for perpetuity in order to execute the long Ethiopian plan?

          • Selamat Haile S.,

            “This means, concerning Eritrea, there is harmony of plan between the opposing political organizations in Ethiopia.”

            Yes there is. We can’t forget that at one point the EPRDF was united in waging war against Eritrea. At the time they did not mind if they overtook all of Eritrea or at least Asab. The hostilities stopped and they all agreed and implemented the strategy of isolating Eritrea, including the ‘no war – no peace’. As far as the Ethiopians are concerned they all believe that there is a good case to be made for confederation and unity. They cannot possibly from an Eritrean’s perspective. And with Eritrea or I should say the Eritrean dictatorial government at its weakest point, it is the most opportune time to seek the policy of bringing Eritrea into the fold. All opposing political organizations in Ethiopia have their own individual blue print roadmap of returning Eritrea as it were before ’91. I believe that almost all Ethiopians want to score numerous successes in all aspects and in addition they feel Eritrea should be the icing on the cake. So these two opposing Ethiopian political organizations you have in mind, when it comes to Eritrea, they have a health competition amongst themselves as to whose strategy will succeed in capturing Eritrea.

            Lets take Bruh MetSAie or Bright Future for example, whose an wielding platform is to consider or declare that anything from the onset of Ghedi and all its consequences as an enemy of the Eritrean people. It is clear from the current Eritrean political turmoil and lack of a united clear road, to gain in the future those who actually believe, follow and accept such preposterous proposition. It is a long term goal. At this stage we can safely gage the status of the peace rapprochement.

            “What hinders the opposing Eritrean groupies (the regime and others) to sit and talk to agree and work together on certain points of paramount importance to the existence of the country?”

            Other than logistics as in distance of residence from one another, say between the diaspora Eritreans and those back home, nothing hinders them from doing and working together. And there have been significant breakthroughs recently even in that. Eritrean broadcasts from abroad are reaching Eritrea these days and there’s is talk of even pamphlets being dispersed in the Eritrea. There is finally a force tugging on the authoritarian regime. Up until now there were no voices from inside Eritrea directly challenging the regime for a people’s share of the power and say on all matters that affect their nation’s future. There were not voices from inside Eritrea. This vital missing ingredient was the cause for why “the opposing Eritrean groupies (the regime and others) to sit and talk to agree…”
            Eritrean from inside of Eritrea who have organized and continue to organize and ready to take power for the people. It has been nearly two decades without a representative government in Eritrea. The current circumstances of Eritrean Ethiopian relations, exposed a major weakness on the regime. He is unable to notarize a legal agreement in his own country. The same realization he came too the Eritrea people and even others came to understand exactly what the problem and remedy should and must be for Eritrea. And the people declared and are continuing to declare the time has come to settle this and all must sit together, work together including the government. Concessions are already being considered by the regime though it may be a little too late. The first thing that must be restored or reestablished is the peoples representative congress. Inside Eritrea the people should elect their congressional representatives and reconvene parliamentary meetings and charge the regime with treason.

            With the ready to take power and lead Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea, Eritreans will sit together as we are seeing them more and more vocal as if they have finally found and isolated the problem at a very opportune time where the regime’s foreign and domestic policies is in disarray tattered and with out clear direction. And as for the Eritrean diaspora, be they opposition or pro, all they will do is follow the instructions and listen to the voices from inside as to where they should apply their help. There is no time for the Eritrean diaspora to take unnecessary time to validate or vet the newly formed front inside Eritrea. Because the changes will be rapid and effective.

            tSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Selam tSAtSE,

            The discussion you are offering these couple of days is significant, and attention deserving. I have already posted a plea to you to sum up the thoughts in a piece people can read at front page and discuss. Indicators and signals about the developments that could have culminate in an across the board kind of people’s liberation movement inside the homeland have been in the air on and off for some time. Now, as the regime has become so naked and its bankruptcy and incompetence exposed on the foreign relations field too, those indicators and signals could have gained momentum to shape up into some accommodative and unifying formation.

          • Selamat Ayya Ismail AA,

            Though I am yet to read it, the new front page article Sudan a Dress Rehearsal for Eritrea is a start for the discussions you have in mind. There should more front page articles on all Eritrean media regarding the ideal and sure footed strategy towards the desired outcome for Eritreans by Eritreans. Eritrean leaders, which includes the media outlets such as Awate should be spearheading and generating discussion on this topic event if it is only theorizing on hypothetical scenarios. To date, in my opinion, they are lacking in recognizing the opportune events that should be zoomed in on. They seem to be content on their constant strategy of only complaining on the Eritrean regimes transgressions and shortages. They do not take advantage of the new events and highlight them to the public to give traction to occurrences that can potentially be the ideal course towards the final resolution of the Eritrean dilemma. An example of such events is the formation of the new front Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea, which in my opinion is a very significant part of “those indicators and signals” the could gain “momentum to shape up into some accommodative and unifying formation.”
            At the moment I am content to only write these comments to give hints to those already established and are better positioned logistically to present the matter in the front page articles across all media outlets. Let us see if Awate has included the newly formed front inside Eritrea as part of their presentation in their “dress rehearsal” article.

            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan tSAtSE,

            All your crooked opinions lies and revolves here, “And as for the Eritrean diaspora, be they opposition or pro, all they will do is follow the instructions and listen to the voices from inside as to where they should apply their help. There is no time for the Eritrean diaspora to take unnecessary time to validate or vet the newly formed front inside Eritrea. Because the changes will be rapid and effective.”

            Do you mean that Eritreans should follow blindly, without questioning about any entity again? I don’t think, this strategy, as it was applied before, will work. This is an explicit road-map of robbing the revolution that is at its infancy. Your opinion, as you are a notorious PFDJ and pro-Meddamar, has made me suspect the FRONT you speak about. Is this new SECRET-FRONT creation of Isaias? I wonder, the reason that has made you make a U-Turn (180 degree turn) without premises.

            The plan of our struggle is:
            1- All-Inclusive-Diaspora-Congress
            2- This Diaspora-Congress reaches and cooperates with Home-
            Eritreans.
            3- They both work in unison to remove the regime
            4- They form All-Inclusive-Transitional-Government that prepares
            the country to reach, after organizing laws for parties, and
            compete in free election.
            5- Transparency and unanimous resolution in all steps and stages

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hameed,

            I promised myself not to comment at AT as I have thought it’s not adding any value as I have wished.

            But you are one of the guys that I admire and I can’t let it go without saying something to what you just replied.

            I was wondering, why the change of heart from tSAtSE all the sudden and like you I smell danger and trick from this suppose to be “newly formed group”. tSAtSE after all these years bashing, abusing and degrading ELF, opposition and all the sudden to endorse a function that has a name ELF is quite surprising to say the list.

            You know after all these years of hopelessness and misery now that the ray of light come to shine and the Eritrean people have risen together, then these group “declare armed” and want to fight….Abey neyrom…and who are they going to fight now…the whole Eritrean people have / are abandoning the regime…..

            It’s their strategy like you said, Divide, Divert and degrade and worship Isayas Afeworki and keep him in power.

            He is desperate and he doesn’t know what to do to stay in power, the wind of changing is coming and it’s coming fast.

            We don’t listen to no body and we don’t take advice from people, specially from those who were degrading our opposition who, gave up everything to fight the regime, now is the time we should honor them and say thank you for keeping up the fight..now we understand after 40 years what this man is all about but thank you for your resistance and for your journey and now we have joined you in your struggle.

            Another group that I don’t trust is the TPLF group. I think a democratic Eritrea is a threat to them and we have to be very careful they don’t come and spoil the movement that’s taking root in our country.

            I must say Assenna TV is doing an amazing job in spreading the movement.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I must say Assenna TV is doing an amazing job in spreading the movement.

            Hi Berhe; I know you won’t get it but Eritreans are turned off by your literate assena guy. He is the greatest liability to what ever the cause is! And please stop advertising the worthless Assena BS. Go ahead and knock yourself out with asena whatever. stop advertising. dumb.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            Insulting is not debating. Why do you do that? Disassociate from these uncultured and uncultivated individuals who knows only insulting. Just argue with decency on what you believe in. By doing that you keep your respect and integrity intact.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            You are always on the add-value side and your maturity has been a treasure to this great forum. Just keep in mind to pick an argument that’s worth of your time and energy.

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Peace,

            ትሕሾ ድአ ወዲ ዓበይቲ::

            ሓቅኻ አለኻ፡ ነዞም ጢና ሚና ምርሳዕ ይሓይሽ፡፡

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Solomon,

            I quote: “. Concessions are already being considered by the regime though it may be a little too late.“ Is this a joke or a dream? You don’t know the nature of tyrants. They know any concession is a suicide to them. So don’t expect concession from the despot.

          • Mez

            Dear TSAtSE ,

            This sounds too good to be true.

            Thanks

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,

            Her title is either her name or her status as Isaias’ wife. First lady? I think only Americans say that, and very few others have copied that. Horizon is the FIRST MAN who called Saba Eritrea’s First Lady. Eritrea’s first ladies are languishing n jail or in exile in refugee camps.

          • Hi SJG,

            No, i am not the first person. I think that you know the term “ቀዳማዊት እመቤት” in amharic, which means “First Lady”, and she is referred to as such in the ethiopian news outlets. I have no reason to use other terms.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            How about የኢሳያስ ሚስት?
            Sometimes people are more Herat than mind. In our case, I wish you were in the sensitivity camp than the pop culture camp.

          • iSem

            Hi SGS:
            since Sal and Gheteb are not hair, I will l have fun with the new found Ethiopian affection and please translate that for Horizon to Amharic
            ሓድሽ ፍቅሪ፡ መወድኢ እኽሊ

            ብዓል ሓድሽ መተረኣስ አብ መጘደ ይትረአስ

            ሰበይቲ ንጉስሲ እምበይተይ ተባሂላ እበር እቲ ካልእ ሲ ምስ ኩለን ኣሎ

            ንእስይሳ እፈወርቂ ዝኣመነና ጨው ዝነገደን ሓዳ
            ሃመማ ሃመማ፤ ጸብሒ ንጉስ ንስኻ ትጥዕማ፡

            ሰይቲ ንጉስ ንስካ ትስዕማ
            So the flies that swam in your cup of tea now have multiplied and will kiss ሰበይቲ ንጉስ Saba. I Hope that king Abiye does not full her and tapping into his infinite wisdom make her drink salted water and then begot a son. But Abiye he may not have enough salt to do so

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh iSem,
            A good list of stuff we need. Thank you

    • Haile S.

      Selam Horizon,

      Yes as you mentioned, it is a message to his (PMAA) detractors says his relation with IA is strong by putting the wives in new to be told at the time as the EPRDF meeting. IA’s wife may also be getting training of benevolence, laying foundation for schools and opening them.

      • Selam Haile S.,

        Maybe what you said is true.
        Nevertheless, I am not sure if IA wants to bring his wife forward from the shadows at this stage and after so many years in power. The fact that it took place at the same time with the eprdf meeting could be mere coincidences, without any political message.
        Here is a woman who seems never to have found herself under public attention and the news, from what i know, and the fact that the eprdf meeting was a last minute decision by tplf, may show that the two do not have any relations. In addition the visit of the First Lady of eritrea requires some sort of in advance programming.
        Bringing her to the limelight of politics would have been much more rational if it was done within eritrea, as you said, with some sort of humanitarian program. That is why i think that it was meant more of stretching the legs and visiting ethiopia, which she has not done for the long. I am not sure she was in ethiopia with IA during his visits.

    • Milkyas Zekarias

      Hi Horizon,
      It is a fake new. The photo was taken when the Prime Minister of Ethiopia and his wife landed at Massawa airport. I think it was 7 months ago.

    • mokie berhe

      Hi Horizon. Ivanka Trumps’ just concluded visit to Ethiopia might appear to be for the purpose of pushing for women empowerment, but there for far more meat to it underneath. She was accompanied by Mark Green who is the Administrator for USAID, David Bohigian who is the acting president for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) and Kristalina Georgieva, interim president of the World Bank Group. PMAA just received confirmation of substantial amounts of financial assistance and aid. The U.S. is clearly strongly supporting PMAA.

  • sara

    selam all….
    Sudanese people and politicians have the capacity and experience to overcome this transition., its a matter of time only.

    • Peace!

      Hi Sara,

      Hope all is well with you. I just read on Presstv: Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates have declared their support to the current military leader and pledged humanitarian aid package. The move by these countries seems more of geopolitical game than heeding to the will of the Sudanes people.

      Peace!

      • sara

        peace hawna,
        after what happened the people are looking an end to these process and
        get back to norm of a day to day living…. A’eysh,kudar,Geebna,Laham, and
        most of all.. PEACE.
        any one who supports sudan in this difficult time will have AJEER….

      • Blink

        Dear peace
        The day any protest got a General in the chair with an Arab money is the day a democracy lost and also a justice move to another day , sad we can’t avoid the dirty Arabs money . These oil rich Arabs time for the next 3 generations will play their money on everything in our region, what a shame. Saudi and UAE are allowed to have their way for the sake of their Royal families.

        • Peace!

          Hi blink,

          The problem lies with the sell-out dictators such us ours. ቢያቲ ናይ ዓረብ ምልሓስ ዝለመዱ. He begged them to be their lapdog and he ended up sleeping with all of them.

          Peace!

          • Blink

            Dear peace
            Ours is simply a brief case carrier and with that he played the royals money on our misery, that is simply horrible and irresponsible of the Arabs , Yet I am happy they didn’t pop up the weyanes.

            Any way Peace , Tiger Wood won the masters and it was my best hour of the day and may be second to the best of everything that happens in this year, What a man . Second do you think Amanuel eyasu is being played by somebody ? He should really learn from awatecom news on such issues. Any way I am too exited about Tiger woods so excuse my blubbering.

          • Peace!

            Hi Blink,

            Are blacks ready to forgive him the fact that he said “ I am not black?” He lost my respect long time ago.

            Speaking of Amanuel Iyassu, If I were assenna shareholder, I would have demanded his resignation or advice him to opt out for managerial position. Of course that doesn’t mean I have no respect and admiration for his contribution; it is just the course we are in is too sensitive to maintain credibility once compromised.

            Peace!

  • Mokie Berhe

    Salam All. Sudan will quickly fall into extreme turmoil unless immediate elections are held. Protests by the Sudanese Professional’s Association (SPA) will likely continue as Burhan also is still considered part of the former President Bashir’s entourage. High skepticism persists whether Burhan’s intentions are actually to transition to a civilian government. It is unlikely that Burhan will remain as the public will soon demand a civilian to take power.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Mokie Berhe,

      Sudan protesters and the first signs of Al-Sisi scenario. Sudan revolution on its way to be stolen, unless there is wide-awake of protesters.

      Al-Arabi

      • Ismail AA

        Ahlen ustazna Al-Arabi,

        You are right such scenario is quite possible. Two problems face socio-economic stresses triggered popular uprisings after decades of suffocation: lack of centrally placed and trusted organization under competent leadership; and foreign hidden and flagrant foreign stakeholders. Dictatorships weaken organized home grown opposition forces in cooperation with foreign sponsors. Foreign interest seekers happily help client regimes to prevent any independent internal organizations from taking over power when oppressive regimes prove impotent and get defeated by spontaneous mass protests.

        At that point, foreign interventionist find space to torpedo popular achievements and shift succession regimes in their favour. We have seen how the traditional opposition forces in Egypt, Tunisia and many places fared directionless and USA and allies pushed the Moslem Brotherhood stepped forward but gotten rid of by the military. In Tunisia work is still in processes because pro-West civilian social class based formation are gradually turning the clock back and emptying the popular revolution of its content. Sheikh Qanushi’s brotherhood party is hanging on the me balance merely depending on political acumen of the man.

        As you said, Sudan may not be immune from the challenges I just tried to jot. The traditional opposition formations have repeatedly proven impotent and more corrupt than the military dictatorships. They got chances more than once but they failed; last time when the magnanimous Swar Al-Zahab hand him power and lost it to Al-Bashir and temporary ally, the late Dr. Hassan Al-Turabi. This time around too the kind, peace and freedom loving people of Sudan may be facing the challenge. The hope is the elites who have in the past let down their people would be armed by sufficient awareness, unite and quickly close ranks to organize and preclude foreign meddelling. Even the despot next door in Eritrea could be a trojan horse to serve old and new paymaster across the Red Sea and beyond.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    The Japanese gave us the word “Tsunami” meaning “Wave from the Harbour.” The West Indians gave us the word “Hurricane” derived from the word “Huracan” meaning “Big Wind.” And the Chinese gave us the word “Typhoon” derived from “Taifun” meaning “Great Wind.”

    Assenna just announced that brave Eritreans inside Eritrea are riding on a new and powerful wind known as “ህዝባዊ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ኤርትራ.” The name signifies the historical role of the two Fronts—ELF and EPLF where an independent Eritrea could not have been possible.

    The primary objective of the new wind is to remove the cruel man in Eritrea by any means possible. The dawn of a new era is on the horizon. May God bless Eritrea a million times over.

    ይኣክል!

    • Lamek

      Hi Paulos, I don’t want to sound like a party pooper if there is going to be one about this but I wouldn’t give it too much weight. It is not impossible but I find a lot of problems with the manifesto (or whatever it is) to believe it. One glaring issue I had with it was it sounded like it was written by a very articulate and very well advanced individual (s) but it said it is a youth organization. But let’s just assume it is true for the sake of argument. I am surprised that it didn’t bother you that they are trying to re-activate jebha and shaebia. Those two organizations have to be put in the history books forever and ever. Any attempt of resurgence should be decisively defeated. Again, if true, the only reason this came up now is to hijack the yiakil movement that you have wholeheartedly been supporting. Unless I missed it, no acknowledgement nor any mention of the yiakil movement was given. In the final analysis, I am more inclined to believe that Amanuel made it all up.

      • Paulos

        Selam Lamek,

        In Medicine there is something called “Differential Diagnosis” akin to Algorithm in Computer Science or Mathematics.

        Let me illustrate: Suppose a patient comes to you complaining of a chest pain or discomfort and as a Physician you would automatically think that it could be related to a number of issues where the telltale signs are chest pain. For example it could be related to spasm of the muscles or tension in his ribs or it could be related to his lungs or it could be related to his heart.

        The question is how do you rule out one from the other? Well, what you do is, you take history. You ask the patient if he had done some sort of exercise related to his chest to rule in if it is Costochondritis [Yea sure it is a full mouth] or you listen to his breath sounds to rule in if it is Pneumonia or you ask the patient if he frequently eats spicy foods to rule in if it is heart burn or GERD or you ask the patient if the symptom is in a specific area of his chest and if the pain changes with his breathing to rule in onset of a heart attack.

        As you can see, Differential Diagnosis is a powerful tool where it helps the primary care giver to focus on relevant information and to throw out irrelevant information as in if it is designed to invoke the Jebha and ShaEbia dichotomy or if it was concocted by Amanuel Iyasu himself. Again as they say it in Medicine, when you hear the sound of a gallop, don’t assume it is a Zebra but first assume it is a Horse for the latter is the most common one. The take home message is tame your “wild” imagination.

        • iSem

          Hi Paulo:
          As you may guess, I was focusing on sudan these two days. So Thanks for the update
          I think Lamek has a point and this wild imagination of his, which is less wild than his other ones:-)
          Here is why: This could be like the coup that they fed Assena a decade ago, it could also mean that like the other armed opposition. that had nothing gto show for now. As to Lamek’s assertion of the way the manifesto was written vs its claim of youth based, he does not have a point because if it from inside, it is written in the ghedli generation Tig, so he has no point here
          As to Lamel’s lamentation of the invoking of EPLF/TPLF it flies in the face of the Sudanes’ revolution which is refusing the old parties, the Umma, Jebha Islamiya (Islamic Front) on whose i back Al-Bashir ascended to power and now for us to name the new armed struggle in these two feuding orgs tells you that there is no change.
          . At face value it speaks to the unity, to do away with the division
          But thy names doth not always lead, so who cares about the name
          I think it was in FreakEconimcs that I read a father trying to experiment with names he named his two sons: Loser and Winner. The Winner became a bum and Loser became a Police chief and his subordinates could bring themselves to calling him Loser, they called him Lo:-)
          And PFDJ? and Mahmud? his names means “Musgung”:-)
          And the name Lamek drives from the Hebrew Lamech, which means to Lament or Muquzam:-) I am no saying our Lamek is that,he just think Lamek is a sexy, Asmarino name, but still better than Henos:-)

          • Lamek

            Semere, aye semere kemla elka aleka? Do you even know what lamentation means? Where did I lament anything? I am trying to help you become objective and be skeptical and like I told to you other half Paulos, to proceed with caution when you hear things like this. I do not want to hear the word tegadlo or ghedli in any every day activity except in the history books. Get it? Do you really think there are any Eritrean youth who want to bring about any change under the inspiration of jebha/shaebia? Nobody wants to continue what has happened in the past nearly 60 years. It is time to write the history and get it to classrooms. That is it. We should provide retirement benefits for anyone who was a part of ghedli, compensate them well but we cannot provide them another opportunity to repeat the same shXX again. The other thing is didn’t you hear about the dozens of colonels that were arrested in association to Sebhat Ephrem’s attempted assassination? The failed Wedi Ali operation? How do those two high profile events fail? Because for every person in Eritrea, there is another one ready to hand him over to IA. That is why the likelyhood of the existence of a powerful organized wind like your other half paulos said is a pipe dream in Eritrea. If any change is going to come, it will be spontaneous and unexpected.

          • iSem

            Lamek:
            that is what I said:I am not excited about it. Also things are not black and white so I tried to tell my other half (am honored) that your comment has merits and some wild imagination.
            I idea is to take it with a grain of salt, massive grain of salt. Ok Lamech
            I do not disagree much with you in many of your comments and specially this one, but u love to pick disagreement. What is going on. You are correct on you comment regarding for everyone rebel in eri there is at least one spy for IA

        • Lamek

          Selam Paulos, just because I disagreed with you, you call my take wild imagination while in fact the opposite is true. From you post, you seem like you are a PCP which makes you a well educated individual. Well educated people should be skeptical, analytical, and cautious. What you are showing is utter negligence and irresponsibility. When you hear something like this, your instinct should be what may result if it is not true and what may result if it is true.

          Again to me its authenticity is shady whether it came from Asmara or made in the UK. It could be two or three army officials but without the backing of the people on the ground, it is nothing. If there is an actual army, do you sincerely believe they could exist for more than a day with the snitches that IA has? How many times have you seen this movie before?

          How many warsay’s do you know who know the dates and years of specific obscure events in Ghedli? It was written by a veteran tegadalay like Amanuel. Why does it sound apologetic to the constitution? Who are they afraid of? They emphasized they will only use it as a starting point, which means it will be like the newspaper, use and throw. At the very least, it is inconceivable to me that there is an organized army of more than a few people within Eritrea that is poised to topple IA. Why don’t we respect each other’s opinion and let time be the judge?

          • Paulos

            Lamek,

            Sure. I agree. Let time be the judge.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam,

            History attests that all armed struggle started with few people. No surprise and no doubts about this fact. As to whether it is authentic or not on the news we heard, no need a big fight on it. But let me tell you this fact: when our armed struggle start with six committed individuals there were many doubters like you at that time who finally joined it and sacrificed for the cause – just to give you a hint. But in your exchange with Ismail we learned that you don’t like history. There is no politics without history. If you want to engage in politics you better know history to help you in your argument.

            Regards

          • Lamek

            Amanuel, you are very judgmental, condescending, and flat out arrogant. I have my opinions, you have your opinions and living in the US, my opinion is my right. I stay within the rules of the game of this website. Stop judging people, stop looking down on people. You are not the only one who cares. I am here because I care. What does it mean for someone to not like history? Read what you wrote. It sounds stupid. Plus I said ghedli is history, jebha is history, now let’s makes shaebia or PFDJ history and pass the torch to the new generation. Let them try. You had your chances, you squandered it – by you I mean your generation.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Lamek,

        Just a point or two, if I may, in regard to the content of your post. I did not understand why you thought the style and quality of a writing can indicate whether the writer(s) belong to an old or young organization. Moreover, what is wrong in seeking inspiration from the past? The history and role of those organizations you seem to incorrigably loath will remain to be part and parcel of our being as a nation. Their history, in all aspects, will be taught to generations, and I do not imagine you preventing your son, grandson etc from sitting in a history class. Besides, mentioning them or referring to them as source of inspiration does not mean resurrecting them in concrete terms as they had been known.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan Ustaz Ismael AA,

          Those who hate history are those who have no honorable history, and fail to make it at present, often vanguards of disgrace history.

          Al-Arabi

    • Mokie Berhe

      Selam Paulos. I believe the origin of the word typhoon is Greek (tuphon) and not Chinese.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Paul,

      If it happened to be true, it will be welcomed by the oppressed Eritrean people, for there is nothing can remove the despot from power other than armed forces. Actually, if it is true again, we will watch the flow of the rank and files of the EDF to join the cause. One hopes to see it happened. I am for it.

      • Paulos

        Happy Sunday Professor A. Hidrat,

        I frankly don’t see any reason to doubt it’s authenticity given the circumstances unfolding in Diaspora communities, the region and the recent awakening of the youth in Eritrea. More over, Amanuel has come a long way where he has learned from his past mistakes not fall ever again to bogus information.

        The question is, do we have the luxury of doubting or own a sense of urgency to organize and perhaps the need to call for world wide ሃገራዊ ወዕላ in an event the regime collapses sooner than we expected.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dr. Paulos and Aman H,

          I tend to agree with Dr. Paulos. Events should assessed and judged with reflections unfolding events in similar condition generate. Moreover, as news disseminator and publicist, Amanuel of Assenna deserves benefit of doubt, besides recognizing that he is also freedom seeking person like any one of us who has passion and emotion for anything that send ray of hope to our people. He dreams for the sun of freedom to rise on the horizon of our nation as it did on the horizon of the kind people of Sudan. I concur with Paulos that we should do better to think about contingency valves that can cealled off ill-doers and see national ranks closed toward smooth transition to post despotism democratic succession.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          It is not about doubting its authenticity from my side, it is how the rest of us could expect a collaborating for the doubters in order to rally to the cause. I believe Amanuel Iyasu has done more than his share in the current struggle and he deserve appreciation for a job well done. Both Radio Assenna and TV Assenna have contributed a lot in mobilizing the Eritrean people inside and giving them hope in the time of despair and that change is on the way.

          I agree concerning on the importance of establishing Baito to talk about the possible democratic transition in the event of the demise of the regime which is imminent to happen by the way. To do that we need “an organization” and “full time committed individuals” to run all over the world to mobilize the Eritrean people towards that effort. I don’t see these two instrument available. We tried to form a Baito in 2011 but we failed to accomplish anything. The mistrust of our society defeated the purpose of the Baito. So I wish to see a new initiative by our young generation if they are capable to unite the rainbow of our society and overcome the mistrust that clogged our political move.

          Regards

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Ahlan Ustaze Hidrat,

        I don’t think this is practical. No need for fronts that roam Eritrea again. What is required at present an arm force that arrests or kills Isaias and his cohorts within six hours operation maximum. This could be done by a group of Fedayeen (commando). Any other armed force is a wast of time and efforts.

        I see the best solution is to work inside the EDF and make a coup.

        Al-Arabi

      • Peace!

        Hi Emma,

        You seem to have a clear understanding of the problem. When you said “We will watch the flow of the rank and files of the EDF to join the cause.” what do you mean, who is going to fight whom given what assenna has broadcasted sounds pretty much an informal invitation for civil war.

        Peace!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Peace,

          The armed struggle of the Ethiopians “political forces” including “our armed struggle” against HS and Derg was “civil war” by some opinions and “ against oppression and subjugation” by other opinions. So it is how you viewed it. If it is true I am from latter. Easy question.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma

            I think the question I asked was very clear. You said without hesitation “We will watch the flow of the rank and files of the EDF to join the cause.” Who is fighting whom?

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            On the quoted sentence: The rank and files will join the declared armed struggle for their interest to stop from being thrown to any adventurous wars of the despot. If it happened then it will be a “liberation war” and not “civil war” as I have given you my justification in my earlier comment. I hope I have answered your question. If I didn’t rephrase your question to try again.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Never mine! I see no point debating on “IF” I thought you knew something different when you said “we will watch… ” The reason why I asked you is simply to try to understand the role of Eritreans in Diaspora? Is it to support the people under the jaw of the dictator or to prescribe solutions and run the show from the distance?

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            In such scenario, the role of Eritreans in DiasporaIs is to support the people under the jaw of the dictator and rally behind the liberation army that declared to liberate them from jaw of the dictators. In this case the role of diaspora will change from the role we were trying to do.

          • Selamat Ayya Amanuel Hidrat,

            I have been reading the discussions between you, Peace, and Paulos and would like to add my observations with regard to the announcements by Assena as well as Amanuel Iyassu’s and his comrade rushed state of mind.

            According to the announcement a formidable armed uprising in Eritrea is imminent and can happen within weeks. The formation of the Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea and their reaching out to Assenea by attaching their manifesto elevated the state of urgency for Amanuel Iyassu and his immediate circle. They went out on an all out blitz to elect diaspora leadership within two to three weeks starting with England. In a very large turnout at London’s “YiAkil” event, Amanuel spearheaded in establishing the agenda of the meeting to be for the call of another meeting immediately within two weeks of the current meeting. The sole purpose of the meeting called for is to elect leadership of the diaspora and he insisted not only can Eritreans in England take the lead initiative but Eritreans in England alone can effect change in Eritrea within six to to eight weeks.
            Amanuel is convinced it seemed by the letters he received from Eritrea which declared their high level of readiness to bring change inside Eritrea and that their main concern is the level of organization and unity of the diaspora Eritreans. From the YiAkil event in England and the frantic rushed future plannings by Amanuel and company, we can extrapolate that something of significant force has occurred in Eritrea. This new organization has given its orders to the diaspora to accelerate its activities to the desired level of the role it shall play in the very near future. We shall see the response and resolutions from the next event by the Eritreans in England. We shall also find out if the Englanders have influenced the rest of diaspora Eritreans.
            The group or new organization formed inside Eritrea also provides hints on not only the credibility of their formation but also a hint on how they intend to steer their ship including the diaspora wing(s). The hint is the name of their organization or front and their reason for choosing the name. They declared that their new front is a continuation of both Eritrean Fronts from the past. They fully recognize the equal contributions by both ELF and EPLF. The full recognition and validation of the vital roles each organization achieved for the realization of independent Eritrea. They preemptively are discarding to the side of any and all groupings in the diaspora opposition who are organized along the ELF or EPLF fault lines. By owning the heritage of both the ELF and EPLF and symbolically naming their newly formed front a compound of both fronts from the past, they are essentially declaring all diaspora opposition with characteristics of Jebha or ShaEbia as redundant and persona/organizations non grata. More than likely they are thinking to remedy the major ailment of diaspora opposition that rendered the opposition completely ineffective.
            For Eritreans in Eritrea, whom despite all the efforts to discredit the Eritrean Ghedli have remained loyal and very respective of the Eritrean Ghedli, the choice of their newly formed organization stands to draw large support in that the name infuses the revitalization of the Eritrean that can do. With insurmountable obstacles and hurdles the long arduous history of the Eritrean Ghedli comprising of both the heroic ELF an EPLF emerged with the inconceivable victory in 1991 which etched and engrained on the Eritrean people’s minds a belief that when determined the Eritrean will overcome all odds against them and the Eritrean Ghedli spirit is their precedence to overcome all future obstacle s and hurdles they will face.
            So we see from the name alone, this newly formed organization of front we are now being informed of has a very well thought out strategy to mobilize Eritreans in Eritrea, leaning on Eritrean Ghedli glory, and a strategy to dictate priority for the diaspora opposition by getting rid of the long held ineffective politics of grudges right away.
            We can also extrapolate that this newly formed organization are emphatic. They intend to be leaders for all the changes sought. Just as was the case in the Ghedli Era, the Eritrean fields will house an organic leadership that should and will influence the diaspora Eritrean’s mobilization and means of organization. There will be an end to the chaotic and incoherent ways the ineffective diaspora opposition has been disorganized. There will be clear guidelines to point to those that are sound and sane within the thus far very ineffective greater diaspora opposition as well as mechanisms to reject the insane circus characters. [NOTE: For later discussions -To mention a couple of the insane circus characters that will be filtered out: The “Bright Futur” / Bruh MetSaEi financed for sure by the TPLF and of course the character less ninkaput pseudo author Yemane Tekelegiorgis.]

            There is no doubt of the formation of new Eritrean front inside Eritrea judging from the manifesto declared and the reactions by the Englanders along with their lead frantic organizers Amanuel Iyassu and Co.. As only Eritreans inside Eritrea today can have a say on all things concerning their liberation, they ought to dictate the ways and means of all future diaspora Eritreans mobilizations and organization. Luke warm reactions and Luke warm receiving by any individuals and or groups towards this newly formed Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea is unacceptable. Only the astute observers who are focused on the details of the emergence of this new development will have by now recognized the significance and importance of this event. For all of those generous for decades with their say and actions in their effort to shape Eritrea to appear remotely distant and cautionary towards this new front should be and is unacceptable. The newly formed front inside Eritrean is a product of the total sum of all your statements and actions for the past several decades. The culmination of all of the politics and actions in the past several decades is the inevitable final confrontation by the Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea against the oppressors which include the dictatorial regime and certain elements of the Eritrean diaspora opposition.
            The one and only vital ingredient to effect progressive change in Eritrea, that has been missing for decades, is now present and very matured in all aspects of the meaning of matured. And neither the dictatorial regime nor some elements of the diaspora opposition distractors will be able to deter it from achieving the natural liberation of all Eritreans inside Eritrea.
            There will means and mechanisms to draw essential leaders from the diaspora Eritreans to join the leadership of the newly formed front inside Eritrea.
            Personally I am putting a lot of stock on this new development because it is immediately utilizing the mold of that which is undefeated.

            Just in the nick of time………

            tSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Selam Tsatse Arkey,

            I feel like you have lost me somewhere in the middle of your otherwise well put comment. Let me say a word or two before I suggest for Awate editors to put it up as an article in its own right so that we can all debate on its merits and otherwise.

            I say, the reason the name is so inclusive is not only strategically astute in a bid to reach out pretty much the ideological divide but also to isolate PFDJ as well where the entire objective is to dismantle the edifice of the latter.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam tSAtSE and Dr. Paulos,

            I support Dr.Paulos’ suggestion tSAtSE consider re-writing this substantial commentary in a front page format. Let me imagine that the development in question is in fact not true. But discussing the matter is very much worthy in its its own right because peoples who own their past and attach value to legacy do benefit from it to close ranks whenever fate determining challenges face a nation. The burden of past conflicts and discords get relegated to the margins, and the best of the experiences of the conflicting parties are taken as sources of emulation and forge premises for united national endeavor. Recalling (symbolically though) the struggling spirit of the ELF and EPLF is one of the most creative moves to date that can deny the regime of any chance of dividing the people on terms of emotions past events had engraved in attitudes.

          • Blink

            Dear Tsatse
            Here again, I am setting my alarm and calendar from July 17 and I will remind you to 6 weeks from now because as Assena and Amanuel can’t have timetable but I already set my calendar clock just May 26 or probably May 29 . Remember we are talking about Amanuel eyasu and Assena .

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            ሓንሳብ’ዶ ኣብ ሞንጎ ክልቴኹም ወጠምጠም ክብል ወይካኣ ጣልቃ ክኣቱ ምፈቐድካለይ?

            I think what has the recent announcement come through is a long time coming. Let’s see a brief run-down of the recent development with respect to time.

            If you remember, ten years or so ago one of the contentious issue with in the diaspora debate was whether the best way forward in dealing with the regime in Asmara is through peaceful means or using violence. Then when the debate leaned towards the peaceful means, it morphed into whether we should reform PFDJ and make it a vital player in post-Isaias Eritrea.

            What happened since then was not only an utter mockery of the Opposition by PFDJ but also no sign of reform in light of the major changes in Ethiopia with respect to Eritrea to the extent of compromising Eritrean sovereignty.

            The latter could be only limited to suspicion but to the very least if Isaias had any decent regard for the Eritrean people, he should have come out and address the anxiety of the people clearly and openly. Wouldn’t you agree that, what has been announced in Eritrea could be reasonable in light of the above stated rationale?

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            ኣጆኻ ኣብ ግዜ ምሳሕ ድኣ ኮይኑ እምበር 🙂

            I think any approach without popular support is doomed to fail. That’s why I kept asking Emma why armed struggle when a coup can do the job. Who is fighting whom and where it ends once ignited?

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            ‘ስኩዛ ኣብ ምሳሕ ጊዜ ረቢሽናካ ን’ሲኞራ’ኻኣ ይቕሬታ ከምዝሓተትና ንገረልና።

            I think the disconnect seems to be in the usage of terms where civil war is misplaced. Nobody is holding out a certain turf and asking anybody to leave a certain area. The manifesto declared a bayonet against a system not against a certain people of a certain ethnic group, for instance.

            If there is no ethnic strife or a sectarian divide including a potential to that effect, I frankly don’t know why civil war is being invoked.

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            I think it has to do with mistrust otherwise Wedi Ali would have succeeded. He controlled Forto for hours, and bravely asked for the release of all political prisoners and for constitutional government. This is to indicate that any approach without public support is likely to fail. With that in mind, it is valid for the people, who are asked to scarify their lives, to question any approach and to make sue their concerns addressed. Now, speaking of assenna’s recent announcement, If an armed group can bravely declare its existence against the regime inside the country, why not mobilize Eritreans in Diasporas and ask for support. I mean do we know who is asking us to scarify our lives; do we know who we are going to fight against?

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            That is a valid point. Let’s go back again to the time line but this time with respect to the pervasiveness of mistrust amongst the people.

            First it was the G-15 with a valid reason to stand up against dictatorship and equally but perhaps naively believed that the people would side with them. But at that time the mistrust was deeply entrenched that, Isaias used the mistrust to his favour and came out victorious. Then ten years on, Wedi Ali took the bull by its horn but again, the mistrust was still there and Isaias one more time used the mistrust to his own advantage.

            What we see now is the weakening of the mistrust among the people where they are united more than ever as Isaias is left with no card to play with including his recent desperate gimmick to divide the people along religious lines. That is precisely the reason that, the recent announcement is not only timely but has huge advantages to turn the tide in the people’s favour.

            Moreover, they are not declaring an armed struggle per se but a pronouncement of a solid Opposition group inside Eritrea which is giving an ultimatum not to the armed forces or any other arm of the regime but to the man himself and his small group of lackeys as well.

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulsay,

            I agree with what with most of your well put points, except that I sensed Trust without representation. Nonetheless, If credible, I hope it won’t be too long for the group to do ቅልዕ ሓማውቲ with Eritreans in Diaspora.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            I quote: “it has to do with mistrust otherwise Wedi Ali would have succeeded. He controlled Forto for hours, and bravely asked for the release of all political prisoners and for constitutional government.” Spot on and point blank on it. As one who observe our society intimately for years since our political struggle, all our setbacks are originated from the mistrust within our society. I have written articles about the mistrust that killed our purposes in the opposition camp. I have no doubt the collapse of the operation of the heroic act of Wedi Ali has to do with the “mistrust” within our society. You know what “the other side” means in our Eritrean politics that is preached behind the curtains. The Christian/ Muslim issue is the big elephant in the Eritrean politics. No one can dare to speak openly as is to this realities, and our pain will continue as far as we scare to meet the challenge.

          • Millennium

            Hi Amanuel:

            Eritreans will fight against Eritreans and this fight won’t be described as a civil war? You are inventing definitions at whim now? If you are not concerned about the loss of life in the war, why are you overly concerned about how the war will be described? Call it civil or liberation war, you or your sons or daughters wont be doing the fighting; you want to give it an emotional name and entice others to die for your inarticulate war

            The weyane apologists here are shameless, heartless and cruel

            Millennium

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Millennium,

            When we fought (ELF, EPLF, ELF-PF) against HS and Derg, including by the way, the Ethiopian armed struggle (TPLF, EPRP, OLF..etc), it was characterized as civil war in Ethiopia by some quarters, despite we call it a “liberation struggle”. So it will not surprise me from a supporter of the regime to call it a “civil war” when indeed is a “liberation war” if the story is true.

            Second, when my generation joined our armed struggle we didn’t get an advice to do it from our parents. It was our national consciousness that drove us to join it. So this generation has to make their own determination as to whether to let our people (including their peers) to be remained suffocated inside or dispersed all over the world, or fight back the regime by all means including by force. Every generation has to make their own history to protect their people and their country what ever it takes. People like yourself are always against history making who have no shame to defend the serial killer and his institutions. That is why you are scribbling behind pen name.

          • Millennium

            Hi Amanuel:

            It is always difficult to engage people when they are smelling blood. All I can say is ayisletelka!

            Millennium

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Millennium,

            I wish I could reborn to be “young” to do it again. My people are always in my heart. I am heartbroken to see them oppressed by the evil men among us.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Ustaz Hidrat,

            I hope, you agree with me. A justice seeker holds a law, not a pistol. The aim is to bring criminals to justice. On our way to bring them to justice if we face danger, then we use the pistol to protect ourselves. The beginning and end of our mission is to bring abusers of our people to justice. We are not to kill them, but to make them stop in front of justice. Those criminals who are ready to hand themselves and cooperate might get a light punishment. Precisely, our aim should never be killing. We are justice and peace seekers for all Eritreans, never revenge, instability and chaos.

            Al-Arabi

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hamdat,

            Justice only will be done when you defeat them in the fight and make them accountable to their crimes. What is talking about justice at this time when the regime is either killing or throwing his subjects in to foxholes where their whereabouts are unknown. It is a joke to talk about justice at this time when we are not in a position to do that. We can talk about the nature of justice and it’s process in due time and not now. We don’t have spare time to do that when our people is not emancipated yet.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Ustaz Hidrat,

            Ustazuna Hidrat, I think you are a pragmatic politician. In Arabic we say, “لكل مقام مقال” every situation has its own unique title.

            Al-Arabi

          • Alex

            Hi Aman,
            In Eritrea we advocate peaceful change and no body want to arm struggle against our brothers and sisters in EDF. If you want to advocate for arm struggle go ahead and lead the struggle. We have to follow what we preach if not who is going to die for you or anybody else.

          • Blink

            Dear Alex
            Remember, Amanuel Hidrat ran away from the call of duty when his BMI was normal and sound , remember Amanuel Hidrat is openly calling for the death of young Eritreans by killing each other . His wish is a cowards wish and you know well what cowards do when the time get crunchy, He is a snowflake that melted by small squabbling circumstances in the 1980th . He doesn’t know people are holding records and if his wishes comes to reality, I don’t see him landing his foot in Eritrea . Calling for civil war is one thing but wishing others to do it for you is simply beyond any reasonable way of any human beings evil wishes . He has been bumping ethnic conflict for the last 40 years yet Eritreans didn’t listen to him and I don’t believe they will now. If and this is a big if , if the time comes to that He knows he will live in hiding after the civil war . It is too easy for anyone to pay such people in kind. But before that at this time ,What we need is exposing such people to people in the Facebook world , Eritreans all over need to be informed about such people call, their main wish is a revenge issue not a democratic society as well as justice for the poor Eritreans we have seen how he clapped at the death of poor Ethiopians at the hand of weyane .

            I think for me personally ,Amanuel Hidrat doesn’t care about wellbeing of Eritreans , what he wish is to see young men killing each other in all Eritreans cities and villages so that he can smile in his big screen tv . Remember He called the war with Ethiopian forces as civil war , so you know

          • Selamat Alex,

            “In Eritrea we advocate peaceful change and no body want to arm struggle against our brothers and sisters in EDF.”

            No body has to arm anybody “against our brothers and sisters in EDF.” They are already armed thanks to Sparta like society the Eritrean government has created inside Eritrea. Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea should invoke a certain feeling inside of you. To such named organization, is the burden of responsibility for all Eritrean lives. Such named organization which literally stands for the Liberty of Eritrea, the oppression of war WILL NOT be the gift it brings forth to the Eritrean People.
            It is a front because the dictatorial regime in Eritrea refuses to acknowledge the necessities and insecurities of the Eritrean people. There is a total disregard to give a response to majority of Eritrean’s concerns with regards to the future of their nation by the Eritrean government. Eritrea’s foreign policy is very muddy at best where the official statements on the policy and strategy is no where to be seen, heard or read. There has been absolutely no domestic policies reformulated or adjusted due to the significant event of the peaceful coexistence with the Ethiopian neighbor (or is it not?). No clear foreign policy, no movement on a clear path of foreign policy particularly with neighboring Ethiopia, and absolutely no motion whatsoever on Eritrea domestic policy by the Eritrean government is indicative of only one thing. There is no government to speak of. There is no Eritrean government to speak of. And in the absence of a government to perform all its duties and make its people feel secure by its diligent actions in securing the nation, a new government is necessitated and is grown organically naturally.

            Where do you suppose this new government or new front arise from do you suppose? Rest assured it will include the EDF. The more standout and convincing part of the EDF. The part of the EDF that would not raise its arms and bring harm to their EDF brethren. The part of the EDF that easily convinces the rest of the EDF that very unlikely not heard of the good news to join the progressive newly formed front. The part of the EDF that has been armed by the Eritrean governments policy of a militarized Eritrea for decades. They are already armed thanks to the Eritrean government. Only this time, if the Eritrean government chooses to respond with gun shots to the legitimate requests by the Eritrean People, there will be someone to standup against such or any aggression on the people by the armed Eritrean dictatorial regime.
            There will not ever be a civil war in Eritrea because of the matured, very experienced and wise Eritrean people. Have no worries about that. What there will be is a Hzbawi Tegadlo Harinet Eritrea with arms to curtail any future excess transgressions by the proven authoritarian dictatorial regime of Eritrea headed by Isaias Afeworqi.

            If I were Alex, I would stand with the Hzbawi Tegadlo instead of engaging in the futile exercise of installing fear on the Hzbi. This time it is the REAL Hzbawi Tegadlo for the liberation of Eritrea. I know because I have been cursed for decades to observe all angles concerning Eritrea. Starting with my milk pacifier in the sixties until now. This has all indications of being a tsunami readying to take over, cleanse Eritreans, and chart the future course for Eritrea. I am confident you will receive these new developments positively in just a few more weeks. It is only natural.

            Lets focus on our least common denominator. Unshakel and liberate ourselves from what is clearly wrong and ineffective.

            tSAtSE

            tSAtSE

          • Nitricc

            No ambiguity. We can’t bring change without bloodshed against this evil man

            Hi Aman-H; whose blood? Are you welling to shade your blood? whose blood do you have in mind?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            Check my last response to Millennium. I am sure that will give you answers to your Question. Nitrickay, the Eritrean people are dying in a dreadful way by the regime in the hinterland of Eritrea. Does it matter how we die at this point when the regime is doing it without any reservation and humanity? This regime has to be defeated and the Eritrean people should fight with resolute By all means to remove it. If my generation did it against colonizers, this generation must do it to liberate themselves from the shackles of oppression by all means.

        • Peace!

          Hi Emma

          I think the question I asked was very clear. You said without hesitation “We will watch the flow of the rank and files of the EDF to join the cause.” Who is fighting whom?

          Peace!

        • Hope

          Selamat Peace:

          After 27 yrs of failed Political Struggle ,we have to have a new Strategy:
          We have few choices

          A) The ENOUGH Movement Way but in a coordinated and organized way with a crystal clear goal led by a centralized Leadership so as to own that movement solely by Eritreans .
          Am still @ loss as to why Eritrean Old and new Guards and Parties including the Intellectuals,Professionals and Civi Societies are not getting together and OWN lead it officially this Enough Movement.

          B)The Sudanese and the Ethiopian /Querro style ,which is a less likely scenario in Eritrea

          C)Targeted approach

          A & B are related

          The Assena style is risky and suspicious !
          It sounds like the EDF vs a new Liberation Front civil war.

          • Peace!

            Hi Hope,

            No doubt assenna has huge credibility problem, but what really matters is that do the people inside the country support an armed struggle to topple the dictator? Why not coup given members of EDF are sons and daughters of the people?

            Peace!

  • iSem

    Hi HaileS and all awatista
    Mahmuday Rhymes in Response to the Great HaileS

    አብ ዘይሰምዓካ ደብሪ አይትማህለ አለ ፈላሲ
    ድርሕረይ ሳዕሪ አትይብቆላ ኣለት አድጊ

    እቲ ዝጸብጸብካዮ ገበናት ነይስቆረኒ
    እቲ ዘልካዮ ማዕዳ ነይስወጠኒ

    እቲ ገምል ይምርሽ እቲ ከልብይ ይነብሕ ኣሉ ዓረብ
    እማንካ ክይትብለኒ ካብ ወያናይ ተለቂሕካ
    እማንካ እንተልካኒ ድማ ዎያነ ተሳዒሮም እብለካ
    ገለ እንተተሰቆረካ
    ልቢ ማዕዳን ገንዘብ ዕዳን ናብ ዋንኡ ኢለ እምስለልካ
    ምስላን ካብ ዓማቅ ማይ ካብ ሕማቅ እንተልካኒ
    ጭዎነት ትግርኛኻ ክትነገረኒ
    ወዲ ሳላሕ አይሰናፍን እብለካ ድማ:
    ዘይኾምስዕ ኣድጊ ዘይይምስል ኣብዲ

    ሃይላት እንታይ አልካ ብዛብዕ እራ ሽታ ለሚነ ዘጽዊ
    ንክልካ ሃል=ሃልታ ሆየ-ሆየ አብ እፈፈትና
    ወዲ አፎም አርኪብሎም ኩድጭ ኢሉ አብ አብ ዓዲ ሓሎ
    እንታይ ገደሰካ ትቆላሎ
    ዝግ ድሕሪ ኩባያ ድሙ-ድሙ

    ቁድስ መጽሓብ አይገንጽልካን ዲኻ ሃይላተ
    ምስ ነቢ እተላኸፈ አብኣ ትደዮ ኢዩ ዘለ

    ዓወት ረሒብ-ገቢል ሱድን

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan iSem
      ሰብ ሱዳን ሕኩመቶም ቀየረው ዎ ከራ እንታ ልሳዕ ምን ወያነና ዓውቴ ትጸበሮ ህሌክም፡
      ግምሽ ግንዳለ
      ለበድሮ ሕላሌ
      isem ኢንታሌ
      ገበይ ኖስና እንዋሌ

      ዓውቴ እግል ርሒብ ገቢል!!
      ቱታ ወዲ ሳልሕ
      * ቱታ እብ ትግራይት ሚ ትትበሃል? ስቅራት?

      • iSem

        Merhab Mahmyday
        አከጃህ ወድ ባጽዕ ዎ ሰምሃር ስቅራት በዴት ምኑ

        ኢኮን ይበዴት ምኑ፡ ዲብ ሕሽክብ ዎ ደብር ዓድ ኩኩይ ሓድገያ

        ሓቆ ተድሪብ ናይ ሻዕበየት ዲቡ እትሓበራ

        ዓዱ ዎ ሂጋሁ እትረስዓ

        እከጃህ በሉ

        አብ ዘማት ትትብሃ፡ ሕርየትና ዎ ሕሽመትና ልዘምታ

        ዎ ዲብ ደበት ጎንደር ደፍነያ
        *MS, choose your pick from the following ስቅራት*
        እምራሪብ፡ አብዘማት፡ ዓንጃ ኣብ ሰላብ፡

        * MS to awatista: I refuse to believe isem is Semere Andom, I think his name is Humed Kerar. I will write on my FB page who us iSemere, maybe Semir, but definitely Semere Andom:-)

  • bmi1

    The Algerian and Sudanese contexts are very different indeed. But at the same time, there is a lesson here for autocrats and dictators. Esayas like other dictators, he is a good actor and he’s able to suck people in.

  • Mokie Berhe

    Dear Moderator. Will one always have their comments removed if they ask why particular individual(s) support the TPLF?

    • Awash Lemma

      Dear Mokie
      I’m afraid that appears the case. The moto of objectivity and permeating diverse view points on the forum appear hollow. I’d the same experience some weeks ago with regards my commentary on the article titled: “Three-Legged Stool: Team Lemma, Loses Its Luster”. It was removed soon after I posted it. Thinking that that was a technical mishap I posted it again, but that was also removed quickly without any explanation. For me, it was not difficult to guess why, my comments were honest but critical, particularly with regard the TPLF.

      hhhhm! is sensorship unavoidable?

      • Blink

        Dear Awash
        I don’t think that is the case because there are people in this forum that make comments about TPLF and most of the time these comments are simply not deleted by moderator, I urge you to check if the issue another thing from your side or the system . I criticize weyane everyday and also sometimes many people openly criticize articles they don’t like . Check for some words because sometimes Disguise has some wording gatekeeper.

        By the way I am happy you both hate weyane , come and make your points clear , we are mushroomed by weyane digital army in this forum , so your arrival is good thing .

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Ahlan Awash Lemma,

        You said, “my comments were honest but critical, particularly with regard the TPLF.” hhhhm hhhhm hhhhm! I don’t think they remove your comments as far as you follow posting guides. They don’t remove PFDJ apologists comments, I wonder, how they will remove issues concern Ethiopians. I think, there was some technical problems. Disappearance of comment happens with me a lot of time, but I know how to recover my comment and post it again.

        Al-Arabi

      • Paulos

        Awash,

        You are lying!

        • Awash Lemma

          Paulos

          What gave you that impression; i.e., that I’m lying? Insulting someone of lying without any explanation is slanderous.

          • Blink

            Dear Awash
            Read what he wrote about weyane so you will know how slanderous such people can be .

        • Mokie Berhe

          Salam Paulos. Lying about what. I have to be very careful here for otherwise my comment will be withdrawn. Point blank: There is not diversity of views allowed on this forum; it is simply a fact. I have watched you for several months and you always glorify, protect and defend the TPLF. Even when the TPLF is not an issue under discussion, you always advance its cause. What gives? Why do you do this?

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            You are lying!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            In their “orientation” lying is politicking. They think they are talking politics. Don’t forget that.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            There is a saying in ethiopia ” when prostitutes aged, they will become a pimp(Akattare)” . r u sure u were ELF fighter? It is weird.

          • Paulos

            ባለጌ ኣሳዳጊ የበደለው!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Pathetic p, if i am “baleye” what r u? Inferior nonsense? reread urself . i didn’t insult anyone , am just telling the ethiopian saying which is ” sharmutta seyerg akattare yehunel” and ask him a question. by the way “tilek saw” is not just age but character and personality, i don’t see one .

      • Mokie Berhe

        Hi Awash Lemma. Indeed, it is scripted and controlled text and coms modality here, which actively subscribes, adheres and propagates TPLF protocol. None of the TPLF mouth peace’s here, ever criticize the TPLF pathetic society. A complete shame; a collection of garbage collectors in a sewage canal. We know what you eat for lunch, breakfast and dinner. Shame on you!

    • bmi1

      Eritrea General Aladeen…Little Wadiya “the North Korea of Africa” and, so far, nothing has changed. No ratified constitution. No elections. No freedom of press, No freedom of speech. No freedom to practice your religion if it is not one of the four state-recognized religions. Constant surveillance of the people. Tens of thousands of Eritreans have disappeared in the black hole of prisons. Indefinite national service. Young Eritreans are still risking their lives crossing the border to flee oppression.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam esteemed Awatistas; kefo heliekm

    I hope I am wrong, but here is my prediction regarding the Sudanese political change. UNLESS the following steps are taken, Sudan will plunge into chaos and, finally, the military will overtake control which will resume the vicious cycle of military rule.
    1. The military remains the guarantor of the transition.
    2. A caretaker government forms by TECHNOCRATS representing the military and the political forces of the country including known Sudanese academicians and professionals from around the world. The job of the government is to stabilize the Sudanese economy, restore its diplomatic links and prepare the country for transitioning into a full-blown civilian government. This government gets its legitimacy from a transitional charter that the majority of Sudanese political forces agree on. It defines the role of each component of the government (military/civilian) and maps out a road that would end in electoral democracy.
    3. Forming an independent Commission to draft documents (constitution, parties laws, election’s laws, etc.) for the next phase, transition to democracy.
    4. Forming an independent commission for investigating crimes committed by the Al-Basheer government against state and people of Sudan. The commission utilizes Sudanese and international laws to investigate and prosecute financial thievery and crimes against humanity.
    5. An independent “Truth and Reconciliation” Commission to sort out crimes of less severity.
    6. The Sudanese court system remains independent and untouchable
    7. As the political climate clear up and mature the role of the military phases out from day to day government tasks, as prescribed in the transitional charter.
    8. As per the transitional charter’s articles, the country enters a civilian multi-party democracy.
    9. Instead, if the people insist on a “military-hand-off” position, as it seems the case is, the country will inevitably plunge into chaos because the parties are not in a position to form a government of national unity let alone tackle the immediate problems of the country, which are concentrated on security and economic matters.
    10. I wish the people of Sudan success.

    Taken from my FB.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan MS,

      You wrote history, no prediction. I wonder and question: Are you allowed to read and predict? This is none of your business. Your bosses fail to read correctly, how you will excel your models.

      Sudan road-map has become clear from yesterday, demonstrators and politicians for transitional government, and military council for security of the country.

      Sudan has an educated professional military men who could step down willingly from their positions to meet their people aspiration. Truly, they are men of history, not of fodder. They always make history, the world to learn.

      You might mimic awkwardly history, but for present and future, you are blind. Step down and begin from “A” if age assist you.

      Al-Arabi

    • Haile S.

      Selam Mahmud, and all

      I am writing to you not to comment on what you said (I am not versed on Sudanese politics), but on the further-distancing of reasonable debaters on Eritrean politics in this forum. It seems these reasonable debaters have retracted to their respective holes doing what they know best, hiding and murmuring. Those that we hear from, their noise doesn’t sound like a noise of climbing up the hole, but that of further digging down the holes. At a time where ideas are expected to come closer on Eritrean politics by throwing away every dagger, we are seeing the smallest splint of wood getting collected to scratch the earth inside the holes. The blood-less ‘pitbull tangle’ is merciless, a dangerous game center, a virtual-unreality. A conformable fight by proxy that keeps the body intact, but degrades the mind keeping protagonists further and further apart. Even if rarely one lets, he doesn’t leave without a bite at the butt or the tail.
      Starting with our leadership, Eritreans ignore each others ideas and seem to always be surviving by proxy. Coup-d’etat by proxy and its abortion by proxy, defending our regime by proxy and bludgeoning it by proxy and so on. Speaking of our forum here, the instinct of self withdrawal and retracting from an aggressive and offensive verbal attack seem to be forgotten, even non-existent or lost, let alone to temporize ones thought for a rapprochement purposes. One reconciles not with his likes, but with the opposite. Of course this digital war by proxy is a tell tell sign of the repulsion of Eritreans by our regime. The avenue of engaging a regime that stayed reclusive from its own citizens is becoming inexistent. So understandably the punching bag became the one who says anything positive about the regime and by default about the country. For some, the interdiction goes to abstain from saying “Euphorbia exists in Eritrea”. To the regime sympathizers, talking about the overt regime’s failure become akin to sympathizing with those that ‘pray bad for Eritrea’. How do we come out of this mayhem? How do we talk to each other without proxies?

      I cannot leave you today without bringing to the front the front page of yesterday’s ሓዳስ ኤርትራ. There is a picture of sea-colored uniformed and plastic sandal shoed team standing on dusty dry-land, who just completed their internationally recognized training as sea rescue workers and fire fighters “ሓይሊ ባሕሪ፡ 31 ኣባላት ብድሕነት ባሕሪ ኣሰልጢኑ”. How incongruous is this image? Anyone would expects to see this team on their proper milieu with their proper safety outfits and contrasting colors from the color of the sea. Don’t you find this as a mirror image of the incongruous state our country finds itself? I can imagine a sympathizer answering me saying, Massawa is hot, so they are lightly dressed, but not you, as you know what I am talking about. As in this example, we can always find something to defend the regime, but there is something fundamentally wrong that we can agree on without the need of other external justifications.
      Thanks

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam HaileS
        You know I love and respect you. I usually enjoy your contributions and comprehend the messages without difficulty. Not this one. So, could you please tell me in simple English that I could understand?

        • Haile S.

          Mahmud,
          You meant all? Then I must have spoken in the defunct language spoken between ጉራዕ and ኩርባርያ? Have you heard the proverb, ንወዲ ጉራዕ ወዲ ኩባርያ ይፈልጦ? I am going out. I will tell to elaborate especially if you tell me which part.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan HailatS

            CherqKa kederbyeka delye eye…I wish everyone comes out for the purpose of engaging in constructive dialogue. Dear HaileS, it is what it is. Regarding the grads, I think it is the responsibility of the journalist to set them in a way that would express the needed message. The news reads Eritrea is a member of the international maritime rescue contingency. Therefore, I would expect it would go through some sort of certification, meaning it would be required to meet certain criteria regarding gears. So, I would say, the photographer did not care to ask them to gear up. That is just my guess.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ማሕሙድ፡

            ትጎስሞ፡ እንተበልኩዋ ውሓጥዮ
            ዘይተጸበኹዎ፡ መልስኻ እንሆ ጌርካዮ

            እንታይ ክንዕቅብ ኢና ምኽንያት ክንረኽበሉ
            መንግስቲ ኤርትራ ንዝገብሮ ጌጋ፡ መልሲ ክንደልየሉ

            ቆልዓ በለ፡ ኣይትብከ እንድዩ ዘሎ ዘብክየኒ
            ጋዜጠኛ፡ ፕሮፈሽናል የለ ተኣሲሩ ተሰዲዱ’ዩ ዘዛርበኒ

            ክሳብ መኣስ ኣባል international እንዳበልና ክንሕጎም
            ናይ ብሓቒ ከም ጭሩ በታ ዝነኣሰት ብርዒ ስገም

            ኣብ ዓለም ክሳብ ዘለና፡ ኢና ኣባላት internationalል
            ከም ነጻ ሃገር ብግብሪ ኣየርኣና እንትርፊ ምምሳል

            ነዚ እትፈልጦ ጉድለት ሕጂ ኣይደግመልካ
            ኣይትቆጠብ ዓው ኢልካ ምዝራብ ከም ቀደምካ
            ንመን ክሰምዑ ይኽእሉ ብዘይካኻ እዞም ብጾትካ

            እንታይ ነይርዎ ምስ ህዝቦም ተቓወምቶም እንተዝዛረቡ
            ነቒጾም ካብ ምድራቕ በብቑሩብ ርሒሶም ምስ ዓንበቡ

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam HaileS
            ኣየ ንስኹም፡ ብፍርንxትኩም ክትተሓዙ ከለኹም ኣመና ሎኽሰስ-ሎኽሰስ ትብሉ ኴንክም!! ንታይ ይገበር ምስ እንዳ “ስሞም ኢሰሙ” እንዲኻ ተጸጊዕኻ። ኣብ ባህሊ ትግረ፡ ንሓደ ክትሰምዮ ወይ ክትጠቕሶ ዘይትደሊ ነገር (ስርዕ=taboo) “ስሙ ኢሰሙ” ኢልካ ትሓልፎ። ሕጂ እውን ምስ ስሞም ኢሰሙ ተጸጊዕኻ ደኣ፡ ዘይበሰለ ገዓት ክበልዕ እሞ ከብደይ ክትነፍሕ ደሊኻ!! ንኹሉ ኣብ መርበብ ኢንተርነት ዝበሃል ነገራት ክኣምን “እወ” ክብለካ ደሊኻ። ኣበደን። I reason out, my friend. I have to get my little brain to exercise, otherwise, I will render it dead, like my ዝተበላሸወ ቅዳሕ brother, Hameed Al-Arabi…No, I don’t choose that.
            Now, to the serious part, if you knew the answer, why did you ask me? Why where you complaining of people and politicians talking past each other, instead of communicating clearly and directly? Why do you repeat the same pattern that you sounded to criticize? You see, my friend, I gave you an honest answer. Thanks for the satire. It did not sit well with me, not because of its veracity but because it is out of sync with your original inquiry. Lesson learned my friend, and my trust on you has been cut in half.

          • Haile S.

            Mahmud,
            My response to your comment is being held for moderation. I don’t know what taboo word I used except the word taboo itself!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam HaileS
            I really don’t know what to say because you ask me expecting to tell you what’s in your heart. The taboo thing was not meant to be interpreted the way you did. The halved trust also was not meant to be taken literally.
            Last but not least, please forward the grievance to the office of the president and I am confident you are not going to get the answer you would like to hear. ሸንኮለል’ዶ ገረዮ? ሃይላት ዘይዓቕመይ ትሓተኒ ኣለኻ…ንህዝበይ ከምዘይሓምም ቆጺርካ ትዛረበኒ ኣለኻ፡ እንታይ’ሞ ክብለካ? ባዕሉ ጥራይ የተዓርቐና። ደሓን ውዓል። እታ ቀዳመይቲ መልሰይ ግን ካብ ልቢ ዝነቐለት እያ ነይራ። ሕጂ ግን ልበይ ኣሸፊትካ ደኣ ገረውረው ኢለ እየ ተሪፈ ዘለኹ። ብዝኾነ እንቋዕ ቅሩብ-ቅራቦ ንህዝቦምን ሃገሮምን ጽሃልዩ ተረኽቡ፡ በዓል ኣነ ደኣ እንታይ ትጽበየልና…iSem “ሰብር ውዴ በዓል ሰብር ዕዉት ቱ” ኢሉካ እንድዩ፡ ርግእ ምባል። ክሉ ዘጠራጥር ምድህሳስን ምምርማርን የድልዮ። ማሕሙዳይ የጠራጥረካ ኣሎ፡ መሽክላ የለን ግዜ ከተዓርቐና እዩ። ኣነ ብወገነይ ዝበዝሕ ሰብ ኣብ ልቡ ቅኑዕ ዕላማ ሒዙ እዩ ዝንቀሳቐስ ዘሎ። እቲ ዘዛርብ ዘሎ፡ ናብቲ ቅኑዕ ዕላማ ንምብጻሕ፡ ሰብ መመገዱ ሒዙ ይኸይድ ኣሎ፡ ብቕንዕና ከይተዘራረብና ኣየነይቲ መገዲ ብደሓን ዓድና ከም ተእትወና ክንረዳዳእ ኣይንኽእልን። ኣነ ከኣ ፍርዲ ንዘሕለፉለይ ውልቀሰባትን ጉጅለታትን ግዘይ ከጥፈኣሎም ዝጠቅም ኮይኑ ኣይስመዓንን። ብዝኾነ ኣምዊሐዮ፡ ስለዘኽብረካ እዩ። ብሩኽ መዓልቲ። The introduction you put in your original comment turned me off because you already placed me as someone who fights to keep the states quo, which is far from the truth.

          • Haile S.

            Mahmud,

            Just few things. My original introduction was not meant to be understood like you did. It was a way of jumping from Sudan to Eritrea.

            On iSem’s sentence you quoted, I even don’t know what it means. Although his comments was addressed to me, since it was a general comment to everybody, I didn’t bother to ask him to clarify every tigrayt word or phrase he used.

            On your following sentence “…. ብቕንዕና ከይተዘራረብና ኣየነይቲ መገዲ ብደሓን ዓድና ከም ተእትወና ክንረዳዳእ ኣይንኽእልን… ” I agree. That was the purpose of this exercise.

            Hope to see you around.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hello Friends,
    1) the situation in sudan is still immature, fluid and evolving.
    2) i haven’t read it yet, but word is TPLF issued a new bold statement ahead of the eprdf council meeting scheduled soon. They declared the siege trap concocted against Tigray from all sides has been completely neutealized. I think 3A and IA were together up to something earlier. It seems now Tplf are roaring back and calling all federal forces to join them rescue Ethiopia. I am told the statement categorically rejected some 3A decisions. I am looking for the whole thing i Tig version.

    • Paulos

      Hayata,

      Sudan will will be fine for they have political and civic institutions with broad based intellectual foundations in place.

      As for Ethiopia, it is a classic case of the power of ideas. TPLF has had ideas which was translated into a Constitution and Political Institutions which were in sync with the historical realities of the country where ethnic based Federalism was a panacea for a nation that had been bogged down in the oppression of nations and nationalities by a single dominant ethnic group that goes back to Emperor Minilik.

      Concurrently, for a country whose signature was skinny toddlers dropping like flies, the way forward was a State led economic development with an authoritarian leader of s strong personality based on Realpolitik as opposed to holding carrots on both hands where more often than not people see it as a weakness instead of generosity.

      And that was precisely the reason the country was not only at peace with itself but managed to pull out its people from the dreadful stigma of famine and backwardness that had haunted the people for far too long. If it was any thing at all, the past year was the contention of ideas including diaspora Opposition were invited back to sell their ideas including Dergue remnants. What they had in store was personality contest amongst each other instead including the man who was groomed to be the champion of reforms and the harbinger of a new dawn. Again, if ideas are going to matter, one can not dodge or escape the question as to why was the country doing extremely well with in the last two decades or so? If “Pax Ethiopiana” is to be regained, the people who had it right need to own the mantle of power again. Probably, it is their turn to say, “Game Over” for a valid reason that is.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Selam Paulos. Why do you constantly 24 x 7 venerate the TPLF? Is this your solution to Eritrea”s problems?

    • Mokie Berhe

      Selam Hayat Adem. You sound like Paulos when you choose to 24 x 7 venerate the TPLF. Why? You say the ‘TPLF are roaring back and calling on all federal forces to join them’; this is simply a delusional statement.

    • Ismail AA

      selam Hayat,

      I concur with Dr. Paulos on the situation in the Sudan. Correct that things are in early stage. But experience tell us that the people of Sudan had passed through similar situations and always came out fine, as Paulos stated. The military turns magnanimous mostly during tense times when the people fill up the streets to say enough is enough though they never lost opportunities to govern when the elites fail. That is what had happened after the 1964 revolution and 1985 history mission General Swar Al Zahab amirablly executed. He handed over power to an elected civilian government under Sadiq Al Mahdi whose administration turned more corrupt that the military junta regime of Jaafar Numeir, that opened the path wide open to Al Bashier and his allies under Dr. Turabi’s version of Moslem Brotherhood, and thirty years military rule. So this much about your # 1.

      In regard to your # 2, I would dare to argue that what you are reporting is actually very much expected. I had argued (where are Amde and Haile TG) that “love will overcome” sort of prophetic politics won’t solve the problems of Ethiopia. What could, and shall, tackle the entrench problems of the country will surely rest on the ability to uphold the center in tact. Losing control at the center of rule and control always increased the risk of empowering the peripheries and eventual disintegration.

      History clearly shows this fact. Ethiopia was spared such real possibility in 1991 when the Derg collapsed and the military faded away in to ethnic and social enclaves. The skill and awareness of the leaders of the EPRDF played historic role. This time around, too, the current fluid and dangerous situation in Ethiopia cannot be rectified unless the partners of the EPRDF come together and ward off the current deterioration and build on what has been achieved and transit to more open and unifying participatory politics. And, the sooner the better.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Ismail,

        Let me offend you. Throughout its history the Ethiopian people are peace loving, respectful and democratic (will explain per demand). So when 1973/4 happened the people sat out and watched when they tore each other’s eye out, because HIM was very bad and neglectful. When 1991 happened again the people sat out and watched derg got butchered by his own medicine, because the people wanted none of it, from its inception to the point of giving itself to an unknown quantity to rule over them. When the past few years happened the Ethiopian people wanted none of the TPLF because it made life for citizens so intolerable to the point that anything is better than this. I say this because from the looks of it only PFDJ is on its way for TPLF to achieve its dream; because the rest of Ethiopia had long ago resigned to the fact that they are willing to lose Tigray.

        I am surprised that these facts escaped you. And I am dismayed when I read your comments because I really do not expect much from the rest. As for your assertions about EPRDF, it just doesn’t exist because TPLF has to state what its goals are and what it wants to achieve. Besides, Ethiopian politics must be the only of its type that bigger political parties are formed by coalition of the willing of other parties who has their own agenda and goal. So the center will not hold because there is no center to begin with. How do you expect TPLF to be the center of things while known Eritreans (one way or another displayed vile hate towards other Ethiopians) are playing a mouth-piece for it? Either that or we are condemning all Ethiopians to be subhumans and don’t deserve to live peacefully. Chien a chien? I had given up on the rest but you!?

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dis Donc,

          Not at all dear Dis Donc; honest opinion does not offend anybody. First, sir, nice you are back; I enjoyed your views when you visited this forum. Now, too, I welcome people like you with different views seen from other perspectives because they add up to complete the dimensions of the scene you and I are looking. If I am not mistaken, you are looking at the Ethiopian scene from the governance angle, which can be justified because actors and decision makers are not free from follies. After decades of the EPRDF rule and central position the TPLF had played, it is natural for the governed to express dissatisfaction about they way they have been ruled.

          Having stated that, therefore, allow me to share with you the perspective I look at the Ethiopian affair, which broad enough to take in to consideration the country’s realities – demographics and condition of the nation-state as informed by the quality of state building system. In spite of its duration as empire-state and the almost fifty year since its fall down, Ethiopian state is still fragile to manage coherence of centripetal and centrifugal forces. The balanced sustenance of these forces that still seek to have proper places within the Ethiopian statehood need a unifying center of governance.

          Thus, irrespective of the quality of governance which the Ethiopian people have sovereign right to evaluate, my views on the larger picture of Ethiopia’s affairs is influenced by my educational background as student of history.

          I can give you bare points how critical the strength and weakness of centers of power in what became modern Ethiopia. After the weakening and fall of Axum to the Beja expansion, it took time to re-centralize seat of power at Lalibella under the Zagwe kings. Then, you have the decline there and the interregnum that followed until 1270 so called restoration, and the ups and down that followed with the shifting capitals until the rise of Gonder. Again, you have the decline there and the country falling apart to pass through ruinous and chaotic period of the princes that ended in1885. And from 1886 up to coronation of Yohannes IV, you have four years of struggle between claimants to the throne. You might have read or hear what happened after Emperor Meneliks II’s illness and death and how Ras Teferi rose to power.

          I am just jotting these cursory lines to tell you the perspective I look from when I comment the present conditions in Ethiopia. I think many do agree how dangerous the situation had been after the collapse of the Derg in 1991, and the TPLF had not prepared the then possible alternative which came to be the EPRDF. The governance system it installed is of course subject to debate, but the continuation of the country united is important to be given due consideration.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ismael,
            Let me disappoint you and tell you that most of the history you mentioned had nothing to do with the Ethiopian people and hence they sat everything out and watched the carnage. They only wanted bread, by hook or crook. They had no say in the kings and kingdoms that you alluded to, as such most of your assertions stay purely academics. Let me give you an example, growing in the center of Ethiopia I never heard as often as used the word “habesha” as I hear it here. That, to me, is northern Ethiopian and Eritrean thing.

            Back to current reality then. As I mentioned, for Ethiopians nothing really matter except their peaceful survival and existence. As I said, they have reached to the point that Tigray can go and join its kins, wherever they may find them. The view is that for an observer it is pure and simple that TPLF has not come out to the fore with its intentions and goals. It is questionable in itself that while claiming to be Eritrean, fought for 30+ years against Ethiopia and expressing loath to the rest of Ethiopians but cheerleading for TPLF. Which the organization, in itself, in the eyes of many has questionable goals, without adding to mix these individuals. And anything else in-between!!! The least TPLF can do is to quell these hate mongrels and stipulate its intentions. Even this, it is either unwilling or cannot do. Now think about how other social groups feel when they see, hear and watch this. Don’t they deserve better? Or are we condemning them to just be pawns in the bigger picture of Tigray and PFDJ fights? It is sad observing many here cheering (knowingly or unknowingly) for the prolonged stay and abuse of PFDJ on Eritreans. That is for Eritreans to decide but as far as Ethiopians are concerned they had enough and taken the yoke out.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dis Donc,

            Well, the assertion that people (peasants to put it better) were uninvolved spectators during the periods I mentioned does not hold water. In fact they shouldered the heavier burden. They provided, by compulsion of course, for provisions and energy (fire wood). Moreover, and since you had stated it twice, I prefer to be emphatically reserved that the rest of Ethiopians do not mind getting rid of Tigray unless there would be consensus among Ethiopians to seek a new definition for their polity. One can imagine that even choosing a name for it would be an impossibe task.

            Besides, in my view, it would be wise to separate the TPLF from the region – and neither of them has anything to do with Eritrea. Furthermore, it may as well be added that there is nothing that preclude an Eritrean who had fought 30 years against imperial and Derg”s Ethiopia to form an opinion on what is going in a country next door with which one can agree or disgree. Frankly, I find it hard to understand how stating an opinion that the EPRDF coalition still has role to play in resolving problems that are threatening the unity of the country under Dr. Abij’s government could be stretched to mean cheering the TPLF.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ismael,

            If your arguments are to be accepted then there is no end in sight for the carnicería. As you said the serfs and peasants carry the burden then so should be for the people of Tigray. The days of non-Tigrayan going to liberate the people of Tigray from TPLF has long gone. The same applies for Eritrea and her people. if she wants to liberate herself from PFDJ then the task remains with her. We all know what happened last time when the Ethiopians tried in Eritrea and elsewhere. I never ever thought that your arguments, like most arguments here in this site, have comedic in nature of Charlie Chaplinisque style, in his the Great Dictator Drama, whereby two antagonists sitting on unequally evened chairs.

            You chose to misunderstand the whole point. We are not talking about past regimes here rather we are discussing realities, where the lines have been drawn with red markers for all. We should forget about Dergi and HIM. Please also, remember that Abij is just a caretaker and nothing else. Frankly I am as disappointed as many here with regards to his fixation on Eritrea. If people of your caliber can’t see it then “lord have mercy on us.” We all had resigned to the continuation of current realities and maybe even war. That is where we stand! My only regret is for the Eritrean people who is languishing between a hard and a rock place.

            For all its intents and purposes the cheering wasn’t meant to be for you.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dis Donc,

            Thanks for engaging. I did not mean to hold you tie to spiralling debate. I just wanted to respectfully exchange views from different perspectives. I think we all benefit from one another. Have good time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            His argument sounds if you don’t support the opinion he hold, you are cheering TPLF. What an absurd argument he is making. What he doesn’t want to admit is, that there is no single party from the parties which exist can unite Ethiopia singularly, be it TPLF, OPDO, or ANDM or the rest. With the existing kind of deep mistrust they have, there is no one other than EPRDF that keeps intact the central government and eventually the centrifugal forces at the periphery, The wickedness with the opponents is when they always equate EPRDF to TPLF. No other party can save Ethiopia from the current mess, except EPRDF. I hope in their upcoming meeting EPRDF will come out strong and united.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Aman,

            You make most ridiculous absurd arguments. Shouldn’t people have been happier and living in peace if things were working as normal as we should expect them to be? Politicians exist to solve societal ills, cutting deals and compromises. Reality shows absence of these two. Reading you and some here, I get reminded of the following saying that goes like; “the whites came with their bibles. Up finishing our prayers we are left with their bible and them with our land.” You are left with all theoretical books but nothing about applications. Instead of teaching quantum dynamics how about teaching them how to farm and feed themselves? Plus, they teach you (for free or with scholarship, I might add) all that book-crap for their ulterior motive.

            We will leave it at that Aman, we just don’t see eye-to-eye. Keep on preaching you loft books while folks languishing back home. But you are saved though. And just for that, you blow your horn, day and night, until our ears fall off.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Dis Donc,

            First welcome. Second leaving aside your characterization, your are the one who said “wayane cheering” for those who have different opinion than yours. Do you feel bad, if someoneon to what you are saying, characterized as “ODP cheering”. Such kind of approach does not invite engagement. Third, you are not talking about solutions or any kind of prescription to the political problem of Ethiopia, even if you don’t have political clouts in their politics. But you have the temerity to accuse others of not becoming. Not good. By the way I don’t defend TPLF rather I Support the policy of EPRDF if it help you to remove the political cloud you have on those who are on the opposite end of your view. TPLF is not equal to EPRDF and never will be. Unlike you and many others, I believe EPRDF was and is the “governing party” of Ethiopia and not TPLF or ODP or ADP or SEPDM. Any failure or success in Ethiopia will be attributed to EPRDF. That was my position and is still my position. So when you and your likes tried to single out and attribute the failures to “one party” from the parties that constitute the “front-party”, it is just politicking and nothing truth in it.

            Regards

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ismailo & Dr Paulos,

        I can’t agree more to your political wisdom and your assessment that feeds to each other in explaining the situation of Sudan and how it end, as well as the political picture of Ethiopia and the possible way out for them from the current chaos. Ismailo, you are damn right that the members of EPRDF (the front-party) must come together again to stop the deterioration of their politics. The un pragmatic prophetic politics of Abiy who was trying to dissolve the EPRDF front party must stop right away. There is no any other force other than EPRDF who can glue the Ethiopian “Social forces” and the “centripetal force” of the center together. Abiy has to drop the “political manual” that was given to him by “External forces” which does not work with the Ethiopian realities. They have to stick with their economic policy of “developmental state” a mixed economy of “state and private” owned enterprises; and they have to reinstate “state of emergency” to ensure the stability of the “state and the country”. The political space and elections could only be done with reassurance of the unity of the people of Ethiopia and the improvement of the security of the people and the nation at large.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Salam Ismail AA. You say that you concur with Dr, Paulos (a librarian?) on the situation in Sudan. The Sudanese Government has been a complete joke/mess for more than three decades, even before the liberation of Eritrea.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Mokie Berhe,

          Couldn’t dig what you wanted to state. Dr. Paulos and I, and several others as well, exchanged views on the unfolding events in Sudan, not on the quality of the government Sudan had. If you join this forum with eyes open that see PFDJ and its nemesis the TPLF only and nothing else, you would end up exactly with the kind of incoherent statement like the one you had posted.

    • Blink

      Dear Hayat
      Who can TPLF call ? They are simply irrelevant to what happen at the federal level . They have no support from the main actors OPD as well as ADP and without the two TPLF are in the minority. I don’t see Ambachow and Lemma to get pushed by Debrestion. There is no force in the majority of Ethiopia who is friendly with TPLF . TPLF era is over and just trying to stay relevant in the mic is not going to help them come back to take power in 4 kilo , some people in this forum are calling for weyane to take power and I don’t know if they do it for the sake loving weyane unless the time weyane come to power Ethiopia will be Ruwanda and I am sure they know that ..

      The OPD and ADP if united can rule Ethiopia until election time .

      • kazanchis

        Hey Blink,
        The statement from EPRDF is crystal clear and timely. Abiy Ahmed seem to be struggling to fill the big boots left void in 4Kilo. He have got no clarity whatsoever to what he wants and how to hit the ground running with all the support and popularity he had at the beginning.

        He is losing his acceptance and support from most Ethiopians. He couldn’t address the burning issues in the country and yet he is excessively self-obsessed. ODP and ADP are at crossroad with their respective constituents and they might end up losing election to OLF and NAMA respectively.

        EPRDF at the moment is a defunct coalition and that’s mainly thanks to Abiy’s ego, he thought he could lead Ethiopia by social media hype. There are two bitter pills in my opinion: He need to make U-turn and work with EPRDF than his individualistic bravado. Second, he need to come forth and say I tried to take the country as far as I could and now it is time for me to bow out and leave.

        TPLF have had their time and I don’t think they would be naive enough to go back and the indications are they are all determined to improve the livelihood of Tegarus in Tigray and they seem content.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kazanchis,

          Abiy abandoned the organization (EPRDF) that brought him to power. A leader without a “principled organization” behind him is a recipe of failure. A leader who doesn’t understand the role of an “organization” to the nature of his “leadership” is not a “politician” and therefore, he can not lead the “higher political institution” of a nation. So Abiy’s failure was predictable.

          Regard

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            1st, u don’t have any idea how eprdf function and how it works, u just simply saying things based on the information that u got from twisted news and YouTube videos, those twisted news, youtube vidoes and officials statements comes out of ethiopia r mainly to tackle the inferiority and superiority complex of ethiopia’s different social groups, they r not a real news or accurate news.
            2nd, the failed 3A “medemer” strategy means the end of ethiopia as we know it today, which means a civil war or a separation of tigrai from ethiopia.
            3rd, tplf can rule tigrai for thousand years, if the people of tigrai happy about it, it is not the rest of ethiopia concern. and tplf can send it’s 6% representatives for poltical postion on the federal gov level according to the constitution. no ethiopian will disagree with that.
            4th, the current constitution will be implemented accordingly and we will see tigrai(lessthan 3%of gdp and mainly practice orthodox Christian habesha culture) will look like when it’s implemented accordingly.
            I know u will never get it, u over 60 so it don’t matter if u get it or no.

          • Kaleb

            Teodros,
            Either you are intellectually poor, it’s like Trump saying “I know more than the generals”, or you are intellectually dishonest, it’s like Donald Trump’s Attorney General Barr said last week “spying on Trump campaign did occur, however I don’t have evidence”, that is called intellectually dishonest. I think if I have to guess you are the former.
            What’s happening in Ethiopia is exactly what Amanuel has stated. “Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought”, JFK.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam kaleb
            Just because u r sad don’t mean the whole of ethiopia r sad, it just means u r sad. what happen in ethiopia is 90% twisted news and the remaining 10% is the legacy of midget dead meles.
            Which one of what i said to “beloved” aman , u disagree?

          • Kaleb

            Just FYI, in politics and war, population size is irrelevant. What matters is the political influence you are able to contribute. You probably have heard or read “The sun never sets on the British empire”, the population size was against the Brits however they created an empire with their gun and political influence.
            In Ethiopia case there are two elephants, those two elephants have two opposite interests to their constituency, one is separatist and the other is Unitary. In order to hold those two opposite forces you need a magnet, that magnet comes from Tigray politics, in today’s case that will be TPLF. Ethiopian politics without Tigray at the center can’t exist. Just my two cents.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kaleb
            forget magnet bullshitting, as 3A said it in his last interview, tigrai can’t even survive 1 month with out the center. tell ur bullcrap magnet for over a 1/4 of tigraians who can’t survive without handouts,(safety net) weithet there is draught or no.
            Nonesense, though keep deceiving urself, that is ur only hope.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kaleb,

            You are absolutely right that “there is no center without tigray and there is no Ethiopia without the center.” Ethiopia is synonymous with Tigray and every bond that hold Ethiopia exclusively comes from Tigray. So the “burden of solution” to the existence of Ethiopia is entirely on the back of the Tigray people. They are the bonds, they are the nucleus, they are the vital organ to the existence of Ethiopia.

          • kazanchis

            Selam Amanuel,

            I think you are right. Ethiopia is very difficult nation to administer, given the diversity and other historical contradictions. EPRDF model of administration seem to be vindicated when you look back how bloody the past one year was. Abiy even intended to abandon the current system in to Presidential, the reason being the hype he have got from the majority of the people. That made him to overestimate his ability.
            The interests are diverse and the best way to keep Ethiopia united would be for him to admit his mess and go back to square one and minimize his role and maximize the collective input of the parties within EPRDF umbrella.
            In fact, to make such assessment, it takes a wise and intelligent person. As far as I am concerned he is not fit for the purpose, he shouldn’t be near to top positions where the stakes are extremely high.

  • Brhan

    Hi Awate
    ወጮ ተገልበጥካዮ ወጮ
    A change of a system or a leader.
    The issue in Sudan did not end, it just started

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Brhan,
      That is why I stick to Weed-out. It can go wrong but it’s better than the double faced Wecho.

  • Blink

    Dear all
    Can a Muslims majority fall to a vibrant democratic state? Here I am not referring to Islamic democracy where they brag about putting Islamic sheria principles to the system and then call it democracy, for me personally in this modern age of human being any democratic society has nothing to get from a sheria system . Sudan has a very good education system where students of some departments have some kind of freedom and these students have no pipe to go up to the state power but if they can get a free access to the larger society they can change many bad habits of Islamic power exercises. Even though the expression of Islamic democracy is different in different Muslim majority countries, as sharia interpretations vary from country to country, and the use of sharia is more comprehensive in countries in which sharia forms the basis for state laws , in Sudan it is used as a ladder to get power .

    How will Sudanese move from here is squarely up to the hands of few people and also the sheikhs and their financiers because Sudan is in a dire situation economically. I hope the SPA move and press the military to come up with a modern plan to keep the large country in one .

    As it has been tested time and time sheria based governance is simply not going to give any benefit for the poor . Once the Sudanese move one step away from their neighbors like Egypt and also make the religious lunatics dream deem and gloom , it will be a time for reconciliation if not Sudan will remain at the hand of the few . The concept of liberalism and democracy is not new to Islamic world , it just happened that it was not lucky to have the split between Sunni and shiaa. Now how will the military play their hand in the Muslimbrother hood as well as the saudi circle is to be seen , yet a good ride for the Sudanese people . They have been our backbone at every angle of our miserable history and they deserve our good wish as we are not in their level .

    • Mokie Berhe

      Hi Blink. Blank point: There is no democracy in any African country irrespective of religious adherence.

      • Blink

        Dear Mokie
        I think Ghana is moving well despite the difficulties, remember Africans didn’t create our countries based on natural evolution, we live in a white men design and for that to work we can only die for a good cause and the good cause is individual freedom. Africa suffers from religious born ideologies and we need to push hard against it .we must fight against the religious lunatics unless nothing will change .

        • Mokie Berhe

          Hi Blink. Fact is that no African country has reached First World Status while a number of Asian countries which were also colonized by whites have and within a matter of 3 decades or less.

        • Brhan

          Hello Bllink
          What about Senegal?

          • Blink

            Dear Brhan
            Which Senegal ? Are you becoming ill fitted to the reality. The Islamic world is a total mess . You and some apologists like are not needed in this . Get some checked space. Political Islam is a backward anti democracy and anti fair game . Political Islam is disposable to only old men who are lazy to defend their views unless they exercise death penalty. The Islamic world is a great dishonesties to human being. If you are going to claim extra ordinary views you need extra ordinary defense . You Brhan are just an apologist to the dirty players and bring Senegal here trying to show the purity of sheria.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Blink,
      Allow me to add a few things on top of what you know, or you think you know. “ab r’esi zeleka ente z’wssukhukha”, as they say.

      1. I never knew there was Islamic democracy, please explain where is it and how does it work?

      2. I see many repeat the term “Sharia-law” if translated into Tigrinya it would read “Law-Law” which doesn’t make sense since Sharia in Arabic means Law.

      3. The Ten Commandments are the Sharia’a of Moses. Simply using the Arabic word for law doesn’t make it Islamic. That is why the Jews and the Christians have laws (religious or secular) that they call shariaa.

      4. The correct thing is Islamic Sharia, Christian Shariaa, Jewish Shariaa, secular Sharia’a, etc. Simply using Arabic Sharia for law doesn’t make it Islamic.

      5. You wrote, “…in countries in which sharia forms the basis for state laws”. That doesn’t mean anything at all. It’s empty. Any state law is state Shariaa (since you insist on using the Arabic term. In fact we are fighting to have a land of Shariaa in Eritrea, meaning the land of law. I don’t think you object to that.

      6. You also wrote, “sheria based governance is simply not going to give any benefit for the poor… ” I hope that is not true. If you use English instead of Arabic, you would notice how awkward your reasoning is. Check this statement of yours in English and judge for yourself: LAW based governance is simply not going to give any benefit for the poor.”! Don’t you think it’s absurd. But that might be happening to you because you could be thinking in one dimensional language and you assume others to think in that manner.

      7. You said that the Islamic world was “not lucky to have the split between Sunni and shiaa.” Are you sure the doctrinal split is the culprit? Would you say the same about Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity, or and Pentecostal, etc? My friend, everything you see is based on the level of education, enlightenment and culture of any society. What religious societies (all of them) are suffering from ignorance and injustice on top of the burden of history (living in the past). The modern differences are laughable because they are based on old vendetta, and ultra (Orthodoxy-Selefism), people are so weak they think going back to the old times of the prophets is the solution. It’s between forward looking and backward sentimentalism. As such, stupidity is not apportioned differently, they manifest in different societies in different times and in different faces.

      8. You might not like it but please try to guess why is the issue of “Social Justice” and “security” very important to most religious people? Of course that is abused and exploited by the elite who promise to deliver justice and stability but never do.

      9. Do you agree all the problems are economic in nature and that the “irreligious” West has a lot of responsibility in the world mayhem when social justice is listened to with a smirk.

      My friend, please do not try to present your hate of religion as the only justifiable view and the only rational thinking. In fact, the destruction of the world is equally shared by humanity, equally by religious people and atheists. I wish it was that simplistic as you make it sound. By the way, don’t you agree you are an extremist on the other side of the religious camp 🙂

      Cheers

      • Natom Habom

        selam johar
        still sharia law is a complicated law ,it have corporal punishment ,lapidation ,amputation ,a taxation for non muslim called jizia ,a juridiction in sharia law also a testimony of non muslim (christian ) was considered inadmissible by sharia criminal court ,so sharia law is the fundamental problem of what we are watching in all Irak ,Libya ,Syria ,and all extremist hold area ,we dont see development ,wealth ,justice ,and harmony but destruction ,killing ,beheading christian massacred in the middle east women burned ,men burned ,girls sold as a slave .
        in Egypt soon they took power ,violence against christian started ,burning churches ,killing monks that live in retired desert and never bother anyone.
        they get money and weapon from the west and they kill their own brothers it all about violence ,the contain of sharia is in itself is violent we saw even in Eritrea how children brainwashed start trowing stone on the police there is nothing to be proud of it ,in Eritrea it will never happen ,people are living in peace and harmony ruled by a neutral GOE and it secular law ,
        cheers

        • Brhan

          Hello Natom,
          Do not tell a lie…..See Hadas Eritrea of 26 Yekatit 2019, page 10. If you do not know about Eritrea do not comment or before you comment read…like the one I mentioned to you
          Tx

          • Natom Habom

            selam Brhan
            please stop your nonsense ,your tplf arrested thousand of muslim even withing the great mosque ,your people still refusing to build a mosque or have a place to bury their dead in AKSUM because it sacred land ,sorry but in eritrea we dont have such rotten brain ,you and amanuel are just ass kisser ,we know your goals playing here and there like the devil ,m sure you would have celebrated if muslim christian fight in eritrea .
            still hoping for tplf survival ,you day dreaming

        • Saleh Johar

          Natom Habom,

          1. Try not to write “sharia law” because I am hearing “low-low” I explained that earlier and please try to read and understand. If we do not read what i written, there is no point. We cannot learn or teach each other.

          2. You are right corporal punishment is awful. Now remember the worst corporal punishment is death penalty. America allow that penalty and so does Saudi Arabia. Now see if you can put the two in one place because their laws basically allows the same punishment.

          3. There are different laws in different religions, but that is the evolution of civilizations. It’s futile to try to make one religion worse than the other outside context. They are all the same and think about it again.

          4. Every society has its own insane elements. Given the opportunity, all can display their ugliness in equal cruelty. For example, is Christianity to be blamed for the madness of the Lord’s army of Uganda who committed worse violence than others are doing?

          5. So throwing stone at police is because there exists a law (sharia’a according to you)? Then why Sharia’a made our veterans kill and die for 30 years, wasn’t that worse than throwing stones? Man! Perfect your argument before you throw them away.

          6. You say the GoE has ‘secular Sharia’a. Good for them. That law allows putting people behind bars without reason. What a secular Sharia’a. Think about it. Please, for your own good.

          Finally, if one enters into discussion with preconceived rigid ideas about something they know little about, there is nothing to be gained from such a discourse. When discussing issues, please come with an open mind, prepared to change or improve your views if convinced. Please do not come all made up your views is the only truth and you own the truth. We learn and become better people. By the way, all the things you blame on Sharia’a is the making of rigid people who feel they are related to god and they know what He wants. They feel they can only execute His will because they are the only ones who own the Truth. Such people are a menace to humanity whether equipped with Law-Law, Sharia-law, or Secular-Sharia, or …

          IMPORTANT: Please stop trying to make any Muslims accountable for any crazy stuff other Muslims do. I will never hold you accountable for all the crazy stuff other Christians do. If that was the case, guess who will have a stronger case? Just guess, it’s your homework 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Salah,

            Spot on when you say the “secular Sheria” kill and put in prison also. They are arguing on the “method” rather than on the “act” itself. They can not argue “killing is wrong” because they are for killing themselves too. They don’t have a good grasp on the debate. They don’t want to learn. They act like the “all know” when they aren’t. By the way don’t be surprised, because it is the general attitudes of Eritreans. Never question their inadequacy. However, I am laughing when bring their emptiness to the open. Very good handling.

          • Natom Habom

            selam johar
            when did i said secular sharia you just made it up by yourself
            i said secular GOE ,
            you are mixing everything my friend ,i dont think America use any religion law to execute prisoner ,please dont try to downplay sharia
            even by mentioning the rebel of uganda ,those crazy people did think you will not find any of the violence they committed was from the holly book ,but if you look the violence committed in the middle est was out from the coran ,yes they abused the word of the scripture ,still it show how simple innocent people can be embolden and accept to commit the killing in the hope they will inherited heaven or if they get killed they will get 70 virgin isnt that evil
            i didnt made anyone accountable but you cant found any christian killing for the promise of heaven ,even if the patriarch order him ,he wont do it ,it s not christian nature first that why many run to europe not middle east for shelter from persecution ,second in the holly book it dont say will take the life of anyone based on his faith or culture but not to judge ,I am the only judge ,that is the difference so for you to say you have stronger case if you wanted to blame the others side it simply rubbish .and I agree it about evolution ,that is my point ,its a useless law in the 21 century ,because it bring you back to the middle age ,
            sheers

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi anatomy,
            It’s futile to debate when someone has.already made up his mind, like you. I will pass.

      • Hope

        Selam Salih
        U r comparing the Sharia Law with the Ten Commandments of the Orit/Old Testament?
        It is more than 2000 years old outdated Law.
        In case if ubr not aware,we are in the :
        21st century
        We are in the Era of New Testament ,when Jesus Christ modified the Moses’s Law To the New Laws of the New Testament of :

        Love

        Reconciliation

        Forgiveness

        Equal Social Justice for ALL HUMANITIES irrespective of their Origin,any Background,Cuiture,Gender and Color !

        That is the Contemporary Christian Theology and Philosophy!

        You conveniently ignored Christ,who came to change Mose’s Law.

        Koran took us back to the status quo of Highe Orit/Old Testament,which proves who created and how Koran was created .

        Tell me an iota of the benefit of the Sharia Law in any country of the world ,which is/are practising it.

        It rather destroyed all those and their societies ,which practice it.

        The Sudan Saudi Arabia,etc….,come to our minds.

        It decimated the Egyptian Coptic Christians

        Cosmetic clarification of the Law won’t change anything about the Sharia Law.

        It is better to avoid the topic.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hope, again! You have no substance go to the nearest elementary school and then I can see if you graduate. Go now

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abu Salah,

            I am laughing. Because, even when you teach them not to say “Sheria law” when the word “sharia” means “law” but they still keep saying it. Such kind of people are not good students. It is a waste of your time. And I don’t know how often you repeat it, and them to say, I got it or we got it and stop repeating it. You know whom I am referring.

          • Hope

            Selam Aman HideAt:
            You are the one,who NEVER learns from your/his mistakes.

            Still supporting and adoring the bloody enemies of Eritrea even while they are DYING,who have done their BEST to kill Eritrea and Eritreans.

            U have NO moral ground to advise or teach any Eritrean!

          • Hope

            Selam Salih:
            Please STOP being a “Hypocrite and a BIGOT”,again to borrow words from your Dictionary!

            Show me your Degree and I will show U mine,the highest Degree a Human Being can achieve or earn.

            I told U the COMMON SENSE FACTS as they are and just swallow the BITTER TRUTH!

            Apologies for being blunt but u r pushing things further unnecessarily.

            But NO the Sudan or Saudi style corrupted and oppressive Sharia in Eritrea under any circumstance !

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,
            You are a waste of time. I bet no one learns anything from you. You are just a nuisance that we have to learn to live with–just like a lose roof that makes noise with the wind–you learn to live with it and you no more hear its annoying sound. Have you see people who work in old Enda Tahaneet, where they had noisy diesel engine? We had them in Keren, they will pull a mat and get a sound sleep despite the deafening noise. That is what you are. So, go run your diesel engine and I am sound asleep.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Hope,

            It is said,”Certificates for all, but knowledge for the talented and capable”. The main traits of scholars are: They respect the rights of all human beings; stand by the side of justice for all; respect the law that preserves the rights of all, and above all this they are full-baked persons who deal with all with humbleness.

            Al-Arabi

          • Natom Habom

            selam johar
            it just you cant ,no morale ground for someone that used to finger point eritrean tigrigna speaking and as the same time defending our mortal enemy that is racism to call tigrayan, what do you want us to call them the saints of tigray blessed is their name ,they brought us wealth and abundance ,
            where is your common sense

          • Saleh Johar

            Nahom,
            Briefly, show me a tiny proof about the evil campaign of “finger pointing {at} Eritrean Tigrinya” or hold your peace. But if you would rather believe grapevine gossips of defamation, just say so and you will be well understood.

            Note: my only enemy is the PFDJ–take it or leave it. Nothing personal, but national. 🙂

        • Brhan

          Hello Hope,
          If you are in Asmara, go tomorrow , Friday to the Asmara Sharia Court ….see it, if not travel one day and visit it …it was there , it is there and will be there when you are gone…
          Either you do not know Eritrea or you do not like Eritrea
          which one from the two

          • Hope

            Sir:
            STOP acting like a child!
            Read what Hope said.
            I care less if the sharia is practiced for ever in Eritrea as long as it does NOT interfere with Eritrea’s National Security interest and it does. OT polarize our society and as long as its Practitioner do not force or impose it on others and it does not oppress or abuse our women and tear them as Sub-Humans or Men’s subordinates.

          • Brhan

            Hi Hope.
            It means you agree with me that there is a Sharia institution in Eritrea. So stop insulting our institutions.
            The one who insults can be acting like a child.

          • Hope

            Selam Birhan:
            Please,U R talking to someone,who grew up with it.
            The issue is not about the existence of the Sharia(Law) but about what exactly I wanted to relay.
            I said what I said based on what I saw and experienced with the Wuhabist Movement in 1990s,which completely spoiled and destroyed overnight the Harmony we have enjoyed for centuries .
            I don’t want to see that nasty experience again in Eritrea.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Brhan,

            These people, Hope and his likes, have an errand from their masters to perform : DIVIDE, DIVERT, DEGRADE and CHEER Isaias. Read any of their comments and you will find them labeled under one of the above subjects.

            The moment they find one of their beloved topics they swarm around it like flies from all sides. I hope never to be distracted by them. These “SKUNIS” feel proud and blown up when someone discuss with them big issues; they think, they are VIPs. It is better to debate them in accordance to their minds with things they could understand.. They don’t conceive lofty opinions and values; they are down to earth.

            Al-Arabi

      • Blink

        Dear SG
        My writing as “Sheria law” can’t be the reason why you reply to me , I highly doubt if that is the case , Sheria is simply the Islamic law and anything that fly with is derived from the teachings of the Koran and the traditions of the Hadith and Sunna , I guess you are implying I know nothing about this and it is big mistake.
        I don’t see you as an apologists but I strangely like to put some of your points in a familiar way of defending the indefensible . Sheria is an Islamic organic milk majority of Muslims suffer from and it is just the basis for Sudan too , if it was about Vatican, I would also cover it with the way it is running, so no favoritism here, Burnie is a very rich country where it gets part of its money from western based hotels where many things happen inside the hotel, yet someone is being chopped his hand or stoned to death for things that are simply irrelevant , I didn’t know that’s Sheria . Here you tried to discredit my views by saying and implying that I know nothing , like putting “ it doesn’t mean anything “ , the reality is it means everything ….but I know that is a game played by apologists and that sir is not going to help the poor people suffering from political Islam . You either bring your views to make Sheria a lovingly successful law that can contribute to greater good or you better have your special time with know it all.Sheria in sudan is exceptionally executed only to the poor , no one is ruling his life by 10 commandments and you know it there is no movement at this time who try to bring 2000 years old forgotten thing . But there is a dictatorial law crushing society generation after generation asking them to kneel down to Islamic law and that is Sheria , wether I call it Sheria or add law to it , it is just a matter of telling the ugly face of Sheria. No one cover up the horrible things inside a religious law .

        You either defend the sheria which has manifested itself throughout Islamic history in periodic calls for a renewed commitment to the fundamental principles of Islam and reconstruction of society in accordance with the Quran and the traditions of the Islamic way doing things and push for political Islam or you stay silent from accusing people who distaste of it . It is a simple choice that anyone can exercise. Sheria is a failure and who can write better about its failure than the one who trying to get justice, It may look like abusing the religious principles but in fact it isn’t.

        I don’t think I am an extremist who is dying to implement a religious ideology in to daily life of our poor people.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Blink,
          This way I we can continue the discussion as long as we stay focused.

          I apologize in advance for this is going to be rather long for a comment

          1. When a society as a whole becomes religious in worldly matters, it is akin to hypocrisy. Religious is an individual affair and society should only come together on such issues when it is attacked en-masse as a group. In that instance, you will find me there and I hope you will be by the side of the wronged.

          2. When s society as a whole espouses atheism (manifested as anti-religious people), it becomes equally hypocrite. But when atheists are attacked for their belief, you will find me there defending them as well. So, I will be by your side for whatever it is worth.

          3. Extremism is a state of mind–it can inflict any person regardless of their religious affiliation, regional belonging and viewpoints. Therefore, there are —- (put any religion, region or categorization) extremists—it’s not a monopoly of Muslims.

          4. In the last few years some people have started to associate extremism only with Muslims (mostly the innocent victims) and there, you will find me protesting that foolishness.

          5. Since you think Sharia is derived from the Koran and you imply the Koran is violent, I would like to ask you which holy book is free of violence? Hint: how do you think the biblical Joshua justified his action? Wasn’t it “god’s order”? That is a slippery slope and if I were you I would stop that kind of reasoning.

          6. You see, I do not like your always reappearing generalization. You claim “the majority of Muslims suffer from it…” I do not know which Muslims you have studied but the last count was, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and if that is how you think, no one is spared from your accusation, including me. And that is the basis of why Muslims are victimized, including among their compatriots.

          7. Another thing: Brunei is a country about which you could have rudimentary knowledge. But it is a one-man show and the king can use any excuse to subjugate the people. In his case, since the country is a Muslim majority country, using Islam to justify his blunder and brutality is the makes sense.

          8. Stalin’s Sharia’a. If Russia was a Muslim majority country, Stalin would have used Islamic law to do his atrocities in Siberia and all over Russia. So would Hitler used it if Germany was a Muslim country instead of the racial card to practice his cruelty.

          9. You try to portray yourself as a liberal, but you use irresponsible gestures in what you thing is helping the victimized people. Sir, you are watering the tree of ignorance, making statements without context or explanation, or considering historical injustice, level of literacy, widespread ignorance, etc. Your messages falls in the anti-Muslims political game and we see its results all over the place.

          10. Proof? Over the last twenty-years, over 90% of the insults I received fro people who do not like my outspokenness is insulting me as a Muslim fanatic, an extremist, a Jihadi, etc. Where do you think that stupidity comes from? It’s from writings like yours, sir, and there are plenty out there. That is why I am objecting.

          11. Why do you take the liberty of blaming me for anything that happens in the world because the culprit happens to use Islam as a tool? Why do you bring Brunei? Was it just an example or you want to score a point? That is why I am protesting against your careless use of catchy and inflammatory phrases.

          12. I still believe you lack the context and knowledge about Muslim struggle against traditions that are passed as religious edicts to serve dictators, and are wreaking havoc in the lives of Muslims before anyone else–you need to learn more about that, if you know, bring them out here. If you did, you wouldn’t come as superficial. Now think about it, Muslims are the prime victims of extremist Muslims. But no, since the perpetrators declare an Islamic faith, all Muslims (victims and victimizes) have to be condemned together–a few hundred crazy people defining (according to you) the entire 1.5 billion people!!!!! Let’s take ISIS. Could you tell me who the main victims were? I can tell you: for every non-Muslim victim, there are hundreds of Muslim victims—just to give you context to sharpen your thoughts.

          12. Many of the world’s problems are economic in nature (includes a lot of goals to control and exploit) and beliefs are used to justify the aggression. Now, for a victim, it doesn’t matter if he is killed by a force using religious justification or neo-liberal justification or tribal justification. Remember, violent people use whatever easy rational they have at their disposal. If they are medieval minded, they use medieval tools to commit their atrocities, if they are technologically developed, they use sophisticated tools. But the killing is the same to the victim.

          13. In brief: I do not mind your extreme atheism but just recognize it is akin to religious extremism–no way out of that. I also expect from you a little care and responsibility when you discuss such issues. And since we are discussing within Eritrean context (at least I am) let’s relate what we say to the Eritrean reality and history. So, are you saying Muslims should be accountable for any craze committed by a Muslim even if it is a world away? Do you recognize the rampant assault on Muslims by people who feed on the type of messages that you spread?

          14. Religious books (not traditions, but the crazy want to give them divinity) are supposed to be divine and good luck having holy books revised or edited. I believe there is no need to do that–let them be, the communists tried to eradicate it but failed. And if you try that, you will not face objection from little countries like Saudi Arabia only, but from the USA where the religious strain is so strong.
          15. The menace to Eritrea is nothing but PFDJ. Focus there and do not sway the discussion. That is the only context in our discussion. Eritrea doesn’t have bigger threat than that which is perpetuated by the PFDJ

          16. What we need is honesty, truth, justice and common sense. Importantly, we need to be humans, caring humans, before being partisans or sectarians, or ideologues, or simply egoists. Only then will the world be fine for all.

          Cheers

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Memhir,

            I wish we had a hundred, a thousand, or millions like you in our region. It is a privilege and a blessing to read you sir!

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Saleh G.,

        Muslim countries refer to the Qur’an as the source of their constitutions, but the Qur’an is immutable and frozen in time.

        On the other hand, secular laws in democratic countries are man-made and have a thinking and problem solving approach towards reality.

        • Saleh Johar

          Simon,
          You state the Quraan is frozen in time…. it is 1400 years old. Most religious books are older than that. But I hope you are not asking religious people to discard their holy books. Holy books are not calendar books that are edited every now and then. It’s people who interpret them and many people interpret them according to their motives and inclination.

          Why are you representing the Kuraan as the only book that can be contrasted against secular laws (what’s is a secular law any way? I understand just and unjust laws, other terms are smoke screen in the context of Eritrea)

          Indeed, all democracies have laws that are based in ideologies. Some people base their knowldge on their religious background, others on Socrates, still others on relatively modern day philosophies mainly economic philosophy. In a democracy, all ideologies have equal right to be presented to the public–at least that is what “secular democracy” is based on. That is in principle. But I am not denying there are many societies that insist on living according to the ancient prophetic eras. Other laws are based on religious beliefs (like Israel) but accommodate modern elements of other political philosophies and ancient hegemonic aspiration. The Saudis for example use Islam as a ruling discipline and they survived this far due to the long held belief of being obedient to the ruler, evolved tribal leaders into national leaders who are just another face of a tribal rule or a confederation of tribal rulers.

          In Egypt, the people could not tolerate the fanatic system that replaced the Mubarek dictatorship but ended up having a soldier on top. So, would you say Egyptians are backward nation and prefer to be ruled by ancient legislation? I don’t think so.

          So, system of governance is not the same and no one owns the truth or the choice of people (in principle) and my question is this: Wikipedia says the following:

          According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1.5 billion adherents, making up over 22% of the world population. According to the Pew Research Center in 2015 there were 50 Muslim-majority countries.

          Can you tell me how many of those have what you consider “secular laws” and how many of those have constitutions based on Kuraan?

          Cheat slip: not more than what you can count on the fingers of one hand.

          Note: prejudice and open bigotry is becoming too damaging to enlightened Muslims who are struggling to improve their societies like any other society. They seem to agree that the culprit is ignorance and lack of just rule. Does that ring a bell?

          Advise: not every discussion should be considered an opportunity to bash Muslims. It’s not productive, it’s not honest and its too superficial. AMEN 🙂

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            Humans’ economic, political, and social conditions and needs continuously evolve and change. Religious books don’t. That is why they should be kept private and far away from State power and the constitutions of countries.

            Here is the famous Muslim Brotherhood slogan: “Allah is our aim, the Prophet is our leader, the Quran is our Constitution, and Jihad for the sake of Allah is the highest desire”.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Kaleab,

            Have you ever seen Satan? Check him in the mirror.

            Al-Arabi

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            Did I speak untruth?

            You seem to have a meltdown, way past a boiling point.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Kaleab,

            I am sure, you know Satan now. Anyhow, how did you find him? Of course, ugly. If you are not sure, you could visit the mirror again and watch.

            Al-Arabi

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            Diversion, detour and no substance.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            You can say anything but just don’t tell go an insinuate that you are a better person than a Muslim. Also don’t tell me one is violent the other is not. They are the same and you know it. Please stop this never-ending inflammatory comments disguised as a rational debate. I will not respond to any comment. Please do not pull me into this kind of discussion again.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            You are doing over doing yourself. Don’t beat around the bush, my question is very clear. Didn’t we import our religions? That’s is because you implied we invented our religions. The question stands.

        • Brhan

          Hi S Kaleab
          By Muslim countries do you mean Senegal Turkey Malysia ?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Simon Kaleab,

          I don’t quite disagree, but as a food for thought, I will ask: what problems does “Sundays off” solve?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Fanti,

            Nothing. Sundays are off have religious origins and they have become customary. But, they are not enforceable any more. They are left for the individual to decide.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Blink,

      Really, it is wonderful. You are happy today. You found the topic you like most. You have gotten your very calm pool or call it sea to swim as you like. I have reminded you in many of my comments that all your scribbles revolve around: DIVIDE, DIVERT, DEGRADE and CHEER of IA. If you have any other issue bring it forth. Sometimes, it is good to stop for seconds and ask yourself: Am I a sane person? They say, for any job there is a better way to perform it. Do the method you follow the best one to your destination? Do you give your mind chance to think freely?

      Al-Arabi

    • Brhan

      Hi Blink,
      Typo… Muslim majority?…do you mean a Muslim majority country, like Malysia or Sengal ?

      • Hope

        Selam Birhan:
        U sound angry!
        For God’s sake, it is only a day old Coup.
        Hope u will not tell us same if the EDF topples PIA!

        • Brhan

          Hello Hope,
          You did not answer the question on behalf of Blink
          I commented on Sudan way before you. Check the forum from top to bottom ….do not worry this can happen when we rush to comment before checking what we want to say might have been said before us by others
          The only people who are going to be angry because of a comment are those who come from PF(JD) forums where all want to listen to an idea and not different ideas.

    • Lamek

      Hi blink. Can you think of any examples where Muslims and Christians live in a democracy side by side? Most such nations don’t exist any longer. One has to completely dominate/annihilate the other. Examples are plenty but I will refrain from naming which religion generally succeeded. How will it be different in Eritrea once the country opens up, eventually after the current rule ends? Sharia in one segment and secular in another segment seems an impossible permutation. They cannot mutually exist.

      • cool

        A very good point, and the reason behind is because christianity ist democratic
        and reformable by nature, Islam is not.

      • Hope

        Selam Lamek:
        Why are u afraid from stating the facts?
        Let me help u partially;
        -The mess in Lebanon

        -The Egyptian Coptic Christian quasi Social Genocide

        -The genocide and atrocities by the Sudanese Islamic Gov against the S Sudan Christians and Animists
        -etc…
        But to specifically answer your question:
        The historically original Christian Nations where the Original Deciples of Christ evangelized like Libya,Palestine,Syria,Iran ,Iraq.etc….were/are the direct victims of …..
        I could have bluntly spit up my gut and testify the truth but no need to do so,since we all know the truth.
        There is a serious TOLERANCE issue by the Islamic Nations and their respective people .
        Am not sure the Koran says or supports it as it is alleged but there is a common (mis) understanding by /among few/some “Muslims” /Extremists
        that if a non-Muslim (kaffir)is not convinced
        to be converted to Islam,then……..!
        Kind of the Derghi style of “ mikerew mikerew embi kale ghin tiyit aggurisew”!
        There was a serious debate at Fox Newd about this controversial issue between Sean Hanity and an American Muslim Leader,which was an ugly debate.

        • Natom Habom

          selam hope
          Aleppo ,damask ,alexandria ,jerusalem ,Islam didnt take it by force ,it was the christian that open the gate thinking they are better than the non god believer persia etc thinking hoping to share with those believer ,later they found out they were wrong ,regretting t ill today ,they are paying the price of that day ,they had to pay tax to worship their faith and cannot build higher than muslim ,and many many restriction .
          this what awaiting to us if we allow to mingle church ,mosque with state affairs .M not saying christian are angels ,mostly what the crusader did in the past .so keeping our faith in our heart and give to the state what is for a state

      • cool

        Hi,
        A very good point, and the reason behind is because christianity ist democratic and reformable by nature, Islam is not.

  • iSem

    The same vicious cycle or a new Dawn
    When the Al-Bashir’s Salvation revolution took powered in June 1989, ousting the parliamentary systems that was in power for 3 years, many did not fathom that the military rule will last 30 years ago. Sudanese are experts in coups. And to their credit, almost bloodless and eventual reconciliation.
    Al- Bashir knew this and like IA he disabled the army by creating his own shadow army, but even that did not deter the military from taking power.
    General Swar Al-Dahab took power from Numeri and he kept his promise of and handed power to the people and even during his tenure his cabinet was full of civilians including the prime minister, an MD specialist in abdominal illness, Dr Jazuli, was his name. Defallah Juzzili
    Now the military has promised a two-year transitional power. Even if they keep their promise unlike General Swar al-Dahab, they have a more divided country and the legacy of ethnic cleansing and the reality of SS as a separate country, the outcome may not be a vibrant multi party system with vibrant press. The environment is also different, the situation with Eri and Ethiopia, Swar Al-Dahab had less geo political issues/challenges with Mengistu and EPLF both groups focusing in cleansing their people as opposed to being geo-political players
    Hayat said Sudan beat Eritrea. This is not news, Sudanese always beat Eritreans except in the mechanical, electrical and handy work. Thanks to the Italians;-) but in the political maturity, the intellectual class they are way an ahead and they have their own word for screw driver.
    The Sudanese still have their family unit intact, their culture still strong, despite the heinous crimes against dissidents and political activist, Al-Bashir did not destroy the social culture of his people and hence they have the wherewithal to stand up to him, when the security want to massacre them the military stood with the people. That tis the difference. I bet you if the uprising took place in Asmara, where only mercenary security loyal to IA are available the military will not be there to intervene to protect the people, the university students are no there to lead the protest and the youth will not be there to protest, and that is the difference. Sure the youth can come from Sawa. But every change is a teaching moment and I hope Akria was one, Forto was one.

    Khartoum is full of its youth, even during the heinous reign of Bashir Islamist students and communist students vigorously debate issues in the campus and if they are not threatening uprising no one arrest them. Yes, hard to believe but in Khartoum u student debate ideas, even anti government and anti Islam socialist/communists/capitalist ideas. That is the difference that is why they beat Eritrea Hayat. You know Sudan more than I do

    • Ismail AA

      Selam iSem,

      Much of what you stated is true; military interventions are rife with risks. That is why peoples take them with legitimate reservations. In fact, in situations you mentioned in Sudan where there comparatively exist margins for free expression in university premises, military take overs become last resort options when the civilian elites prove greedy and impotent to ride popular uprisings and effect change.This happened more than twice in the recent history of the Sudan. We have seen how Sadiq Al Mahdi’s elitist administration excelled in corruption, and in mere three years time, the people could not tolerate him and his party, and fell for another military-cum-Islamist rule. Now, too, the generals have acted when the people were let down by dysfunctional and egocentric elites. It is to be seen how the people will deal with the brand new challenge. But, you and I could agree that the military and elites in Sudan are far better than Isayas’ paramilitary contingents and spineless elites in our country.

    • Amanuel

      Hi iSem
      I agree Sudan’s political maturity is not comparable to Eritrean, which I believe doesn’t exist at all. Also you are right in saying the current coup is different to the one led by Swar Al-Dhab. I was fortunate enough to meet a retired Sudanese general who was member of military council during the Swar Al-Daham transitional period and my friend spoke to him on the phon last night. He thinks the two are completely different as the 30 year of Al-Bashir contaminated the army in politics, it is very difficult to call the current army professional one. Further more the coup is with the Muslim brotherhood and the fate of the Sudanese people is far from over.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all. this is the worst day for TPLF and Hayat. Al-Beshir was their best friend. Now he is gone, well again, Weyane, Game-over. PIA outlasted them all, one by one. what a man!!!

    • Hayat Adem

      Nitricc,
      If a good man outlasts, it is a blessing. If a bad man outlasts, it is a curse.

      • Blink

        Dear Hayat
        Are you suggesting all the 4 enemies of Issias were good people?
        1.Salah of yemen was a Boucher who killed hundreds of thousands innocent lives
        2. The Somalia guy was all but a western lunatic who let his people bomb each other
        3. Meles was a killer who raped Somali region girls and killed hundreds of thousands.
        4. Bashir is also a genocide ring leader who murdered 300,000 innocents people.

        The difference you are supporting Bashir with Meles cemetery is because they were pals .

        It is always a blessing to see friends of Meles die one by one .

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Blink,
          Would you please put qualifiers or at least lower down your hyperbole valve?
          1. Salah of yemen killed hundreds of thousands innocent lives
          Can you prove this please!
          2. Meles was a killer who raped Somali region girls and killed hundreds of thousands.
          Can you prove that please!

          No branching out please, just prove the above statements that you made. Sorry, but i have taken an oath not to let stuff go unchallenged. Only that way we can have a productive discussion. I hope you agree.

          • Alex

            Hi Saleh,
            In Meles time a lot of Ethiopians were killed example about 200 peaceful demonstrators were killed in addis abeba in 2005 and in 2003 about 400 Gambela’s Anuak were killed.

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks Alex,
            My question was how do we prove hundreds of thousands. I didn’t say people didn’t get killed at all. I am just challenging the astronomical figures. Can you help there?

          • Hope

            Selam Salish:
            How do u rule it out though?
            If :
            -at least a10000 plus documented innocent people died on a day light
            If the same Meles allowed more than 120,0000 foot soldiers to die for. NOTHING
            – if about a million Amharic have been aunaccounted for
            -If thousands of Somalis and Hambellas were murdered
            Etc…..
            It is only fair to exaggerate things reasonably .

            It is only unreasonable for U to unreasonably Sound to be like the TPLF TROLL or Mole,to borrow from your dictionary /language .

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,
            I was trying to elevate the discussion not degrade it. That is beyond you please keep your Mantra. You can debate me when you develop character.

          • Blink

            Dear SG
            Saleh of Yemen was a killer who waged an open war on his own people and the misery many Yemenis go these days is the killer Saleh .

            Meles , in his ሊዩ police force in the Somalia region he was looking at a killing machine , there is a seen for this . Liyu police was set up by Meles and the crime they committed is open for any one unless you wanted otherwise.

            Do you need eye witness , wait for weekends and I will paint your wall with harrowing stories of ordinary Somali women telling their stories.

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh blink,
            U handled this very badly. Saleh warned you “no branching out” and you are doing just that. That will make you look weak and lying. Please heed my advice and recommendations.
            Look, it is not as hard as it looks. Don’t get nervous and simply address these two: 1) that hundreds of thousands of Yemenese were killed (that is at least 200000 people) and that President Salah killed them. These two points, and you are done with Salah of Yemen. Now lets go to his other challenge 2) he is asking for a proof if hundreds of thousands Ethiopians were killed (i.e., at least 200000 people) and then that Meles killed them. You see, it is not as hard as it looks. Saleh is trying to make it a big deql but it shouln’t be difficult to prove this.
            Go and prove those two on each challenge and then i assure you, blink my friend, we will have the last laugh on Saleh.

          • Blink

            Dear Hayat
            Did the Eritrean cyclists who were stoned in Ethiopia consulted your close friends ? Unless Saleh knows well every Ethiopian died until now is killed by Meles and that includes all these soldiers and civilians .

          • Hayat Adem

            Blink,
            It seems it is working. Improvement always comes as a work in progress. You see, Saleh will understand now, or must understand now or else 5he onus is on him.
            Saleh, blink has a point. Understand 5he angle he ia coming from. And it will make p3rfect sense. Since Salah and Meles die the same crimes, killed and still killing the same number of people, if he explained he explained both. And that way, successfully addressed your challenge.
            1) Ethiopiabs died since the 5ime 9f Meles and still are dying after he left.
            2) If add them all, they will be in their hundreds of thousands.
            3) it is clear these all people died because Meles and are dying because of the system he created and left.
            4) Therefore, Meles killed 100s of 1000s and still counting and more will die because of him. Meles kills while he was alive and while is dead.

            PS: B li n k.. get closer. I want whisper into your ears. I think we made it. this is solid. Saleh has no space to turn around. Hold your right palm high up facing me. Lets high-five each other. Yay… sweet success. … maybe we should hold the celebration. We can be sure Saleh is done. Game over! But lets play it cool and wait until he officially surrenders. We don’t know what that man keeps his sleeves.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Hon. SGD,
            I am coming here in support of Blink. Do not be surprised by my sudden show of support for Blink. This was after i followed him for a while and found him to be grounded on principles, so sensible with logic, so solid in character and strongly married to facts. It is crystal clear for me now this Blink is being misunderstood. Why is this difficult for you to understand¡
            He hates Meles more 5han anybody else. And he hates him for a reason. One reason is because Meles kills his people in tens and hundreds of thousands. Why did he kill his people? Blink has answers: because he didn’t love his country. He didn’t love songs about Ethiopia. He hates poems praising Ethiopia. Meles doesn’t speak about Ethiopia much either. If you need evidence, you have it here.
            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=473524329716024&id=100011753845998

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            A “living words” of a leader who loves his people, feels their pain, and sets his political agenda wholeheartedly to resolve them. Such kind of leaders can be seen once in a blue moon. It won’t happen once more from the current Ethiopian political elites. No one will sing his songs and Ethiopia will continue in dire situation to find some one like him to bring the current political chaos to soft landing with courage, vision, and determination. A leader who kisses tyrants could not be the leader of the destitute populations of Ethiopia. Never will be.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Just to make it a bit balanced. He was also a murderer and a puppet who executed innocent protesters in a broad daylight, invaded a sovereign country, Somalia, and murdered women and children, deported innocent Eritreans because he didn’t like the color of their eyes, tortured journalists under pretext terror charges, and left Eritrean Oppositions divided and helpless.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Peace,

            You know that I am debating on the Ethiopian domestic politics. Let me tell you my position on the point you mentioned though I have said it many times in the past.

            (a) On the invasion of Somalia: Somalia was a failed state infested with different terrorist group. This terrorists were infiltrating and making an attacks in the southern part of Ethiopia. So there was a “legitimate reason” Ethiopia to defend its territory whatever and however it takes (one point of our difference).

            (b) On the death of protestors: It was not peaceful protesting in my book if you vandalize properties and looting business. Government can not let cities being vandalized and businesses being looted. So in such kind of confrontation you expect the lose of lives. Those elites who used them in improper way to the protesters are responsible for that. There are many ways of protesting peacefully to convey your message. (Point of difference two).

            (c) On the deportation: That was his big mistake I had qualms with his administration. However, he publicly apologized for it. Good leaders admit their mistake (we agree on this point).

            (d) On the opposition: since I was in it, it is my experience and I can not be told by others as to what happened to them. They were divided along all the social ills of our society. They can not work together to lead the opposition camp. I have written about them publicly. They were incompetent to lead the opposition camp. Their primary fighting was who should lead and not on how emancipate our people.
            (Point of difference three).

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            He was a smart but evil politician, and everything that he did, the good and the bad, were for political reasons. K’tsedik Elu Aygeberon. A politician should be treated as such, and the people affected by his policy are in a better position to judge him. Leaving that to the Ethiopian people, would you mind sharing a legacy, worth of praising, of Meles Zenawi to the Eritrean opposition camp?

            Peace!

          • Hi Amanuel H,

            It is really shameful on your part to justify the death of about 200 people who were killed in broad daylight by the dictator you worship so much. You brought vandalizing properties and looting as an excuse to kill unarmed citizens, as if there is no other way to control them. There are many ways to control demonstrators who misbehave, but mass killing is not one of them, unless you are talking about criminals you so much revere.

            Some sort of vandalism happens in many countries when people demonstrate. Recently the ‘gillets jaune’ were accused for vandalism during the demonstrations in paris, nevertheless, they were not shot in the streets of paris as if they were wild animals, as your mz/tplf did with his agazi forces in the streets of addis. It is a big shame to justify the criminal killings of hundreds of unarmed people. A broken car or window is more important for you than the lives of about 200 young ethiopians. You absolve the criminals and you accuse the victims. What a shame.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Peace,

            I like the way you come when ever you give your comment..Keep It up..

            most among us were victims of EPLF &TPLF where those most of arrested members of leaders were participate in that nonsense war..

            … And just we are not living in the past ..we are closing every chapter when time is due,,that war among us is closed because we are living in now..Now and Now only..No more living in the past…

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            from the current leaders, and Ethiopia will continue in a dire situation until it finds some one like him, to bring the current political chaos to a soft landing, with courage, vision, and determination

            Aman-H; No! it is not courage that is needed. It is not vision that is needed. It is not Determination lacking. The truth is, in Africa democracy won’t work. what works is, your ideal’s ( Melles) style leadership that who kills, tortures and lacking up people in prison. This is the truth. Melles was nothing but a killer. Now, PMAA tried bloodless and free style of change but people are addicted to the oppression, torture, impressment and killing. if the truth needs to be told, In Africa sticks work far better than democracy and PMAA is 1000% better than your dead midget. the truth!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Nitrickay,

            When you say “In Africa sticks work far better than democracy “ it is in an effort to legitimize the action of our despot. It is understood. There is a saying in our culture “ኣናፍራ ቆቋሕ ዘይፈልጥሲ አይሃዳናይን”:: Therefore, continue to protect your demigod. There will come time when you will say I wasn’t with him when he breath his last breath.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman-H; sometimes let’s call it for what it is. Do you support with the change in Ethiopia? you can not have it both ways. if you are for democracy, freedom of speech and you oppose oppression then you can’t oppose PMAA. If you are anti impressment, oppression, torture and all that evil human right crimes , then you can’t support and adore Melles Zenawi. The man was against what you personally stand for (at least from what you tell us). Imagine what is going on right now in Ethiopia: people can say whatever they want. there is no a single journalist or political in prison. The country is experiencing the test of democracy and the people don’t like it because they are addicted to misery, prison and oppression. Your problem is, You are discussed beyond what PIA has done while you are in support and admiration with what Melles has done; in reality what both did is the exact same thing. You can’t have it both ways; Aman-H.

        • Kaleb

          Blink,
          I am not sure if your comment is a sarcasm or not but Abraham Lincoln once said “And in the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years.”
          When you are a “LEADER” it’s not about you, it’s about the people, 27 years in power without meaningful achievement isn’t something I have to appreciate. You have to differentiate the love of your country and the love of your leader.
          Look for basic goodness, I understand that it takes practice but try to be rational and honest. I understand that our minds naturally scan for the negative, but if we try, we can almost always find something good about another person or leader, however IA is not one of them. He destroyed Eritrea and its people, the only reason why Eritrea is still breathing is because of the character of its people, not its LEADER.

          • Blink

            Dear kaleb
            How do you calculate the age of a tree and once you sort that out , you know Meles after his death is seen as evil man by majority of Ethiopians, well except by the weyane .

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi blink,
            did u see the questions from SGJ for you? would mind attending them exiting safely without appearing a runaway or someone who doesn’t back up what he says in public.
            PS: I am glad I caught you before you giva your proves. Socase, I want to help in case you are troubled dealing with SGJ’s challenge. What is a friend for then! List3n now: in case (just in case) proving those claims becomes hard, don’t despair and hate yourself. There is always a ‘graceful’ exit. For example: Sorry I lied but i can’t help it; or I thought no one was watching critically and I thought i could get away vomiting those numbers, i will be careful next time look out if any ine is noticing; or yes, i stand by what i said, i was an eye witness… i saw a pig flying or was it a goat..
            I gave the above options out of care for you. I couldn’t include one option *(sorry, i goofed. It won’t happen again)* in my list of advices knowing that will be very hard as it is not in you.

      • Millennium

        Hi Hayat:

        I guess it was in one of my freshman history classes. In that class, I learnt of a technique that the British employed to help them rule almost two thirds of the world. The technique of INDIRECT RULE served to divide the colonized society along fault lines like ethnicity, language, religion, clanship and etc. If finding such natural identity boundaries proved difficult, they created one and encouraged the relevant elites to mobilize their people based on those cleavages. The fault lines were made to go deep, and animosities needed to be created artificially between those newly minted identities; old grievances excavated and kept alive. The idea was to keep the people busy bickering with each other. All this way managed by acolytes that were chiefs of their respective ethnic groups. This way, they managed to create another layer of bureaucracy between them and their subjects. The whole objective of the exercise was to keep the people divided and in check and make it impossible for them to rise against their colonizers. It is this legacy that all African countries inherited in the 60s when they became independent. After independence, it was apparent that these states needed to do something to educate their people to develop some kind of national identity that transcended their narrow identity affiliations. Successful or not, to their credit, every African country recognized that such sub national sentiments were detrimental to the effort of statecraft.

        To this date, the only country that deliberately put in place the indirect rule policy as an effective instrument of governance is Ethiopia under the leadership of TPLF. TPLF copied the techniques of colonizers and divided the nation they ruled in a bid to loot and leave. The TPLF regime divided the country into 9 states, each state governed by the ethnicity that is the majority in the state. If a citizen, say an Amhara, wishes to live in Oromia, then this citizen, no matter how long he has lived in this state, will never have the right to work for the Oromia government; he will not be elected to an office and hence cannot represent the people of Oromia. To enjoy these rights, he has to go to the state where his ethnicity is a majority. He also does not have a right to land.

        TPLF, like the British, never seemed to bother about the effect of their policies. As far as they were concerned, they were not crafting a state, they were just ruling their subjects as long as they could, and this INDIRECT RULE served their purpose the same way it served the brits. If you think this is an exaggeration, just remember: TPLF built a monument that shows an Amhara cutting the breast of an Oromo mother. I do not think even the European colonizes can beat that.Yet, you think Meles was a good man. I do not think you lack the smarts to see this but some thing is clouding your judgement

        Millennium

        • Paulos

          ሚለንየም,

          ብዛዕባ ዘይትፈልጦ ነገር ስቕ ኢልካ ሃለውለው ኣይትበል!

          • Millennium

            Hi Paulos:

            Let me hear what you have to say if you think what I wrote is Halewlew

            Millennium

          • Alex

            Hi Millennium,
            The TPLG apologist is good in defending the low class TPLF nothing else and your analysis is perfect.

          • Millennium

            Hi Alex:

            Guys like Paulos, they praise them a little and you literally see their head swell to the point that they feel like they are experts in every field; pray they are good at one field let alone at multiple

            Millennium

        • Hayat Adem

          Millennium,
          1) You said something is clouding my judgement. I want you to be reminded of the fact that we all are not free of that sin. And that includes you. The question is then how bad is one clouded by bias and motive compared to the other; and then how aware is that person of his bias and motive and what is that person trying to do about it?
          2) You also said “If you think this is an exaggeration…” Exaggeration would be a mischaracterization. It is a fiction. Or the best word describe it is Paul’s “halewlew”.
          3) I have a question for you: I believe IA is the worst political curse Eritrea has to endure. do you think this judgement of mine is also clouded by something else?

          • Millennium

            Hi Hayat:
            You are turning this into an interview session; Ok, I will indulge you this time.
            Do I think Isaias is the worst political curse…?

            1) Eritrea as an independent country has had only one leader and “worst” is a comparative word that requires more than three comparators for it to make sense; this question is hypothetical and illogical

            2) Allow me to bring the late PM Meles to our discussion because he is a comparator that will help me show that your question is not honest and that you are biased. This is important because we are talking about morality vs a vs politics

            3) You won’t describe Meles, a leader who massacred whose own people in the city square, as a bad leader, and you want me to characterize President Isaias as the worst leader. Ashaki dilelyi

            4) FYI I never said Meles is the worst leader that happened to Ethiopia, he may as well be but that requires a deeper analysis of historical facts which I am not qualified to do; yet you have no qualms to use such hyperbolic statement about Isaias. And illogical at that.

            5) What part of the piece I wrote above is a fiction?

            Millennium

          • Hayat Adem

            Millennium,
            1) I didn’t say the worst leader.i said the worst political curse. That defines him as an Eritrean problem. Of all the political challenges Eritrea has faced in history, Isayas is the wors who made Eritrwa bled to a near death bed situation. That is my view and I invited you to react to that. Instead of reacting, you changed reformulated my problem statement to your own and then came up with an answer of no answer. But I understand why and it tells me what your thoughts are about him.
            2) You know my views about Meles. He was great for Ethiopia. He lives his people. Look how he sees his people and compare him to any leader in that long histry of the nation.
            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=473524329716024&id=100011753845998
            3) on Isayass refer to 1
            5) Everything you wrote in that comment was fictional.

    • Lamek

      Nit, well they say “only the good die young.”

      • Nitricc

        Lamek; not really? it is the survival of the fêtes; there fore only the weak dies while the strong survives. So, PIA survived because he was strong. However; PIA better change with respect, if not, it is coming for him.
        Besides, who do you have something you can call good in African leaders?

        • Amanuel

          Hi Nitricc
          That is not entirely true. The availability of political space is the main issue hear. For example the political space for change was relatively better in Yemen, Ethiopia and Sudan compared to Eritrea. The youth who are the vanguard of change are free to roam around and organise them selves in those countries but in Eritrea either they are in military service or prison or chased out of the country. IA is more paranoid even doesn’t trust his long term comrades. This is not strength. This is evil.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      Now you are giving IA credit for ousting of A-Beshir? Man you really are retarded.

      IA has nothing to do with Melles, Salah or Al-Bashir. They were removed by their people or God.

      You are right, the Eritrean people are coming after him.

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        Berhe; You have never been accused for your brightness but at one point three of the removed, one way or the other were united to eliminate PIA. Guess who is eliminated? exactly, Melles, Salah and Al-beshir. they all gone and PIA is flying high. You don’t get it do you?

        • Berhe Y

          question is, did he eliminate them? Are you giving him credit…for their elimination.

          I get it, I think this is what you are saying…

          እቲ ኢሰያስ አፈወርቂ ኤህ ኢሉ ዝረገርሞም በጺሑዎም፡፡

          አየ ሓንጎል ደርሆ

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Ayyyyy Berhe; seriously though; how slow are you? Man! Let me just waste my little time as charity for you. The reason three amigos unitedwas to get rid of PIA through suffocations, that is isolate him, fund his oppositions and close the borders i.e. the people of Eritrea will rise and dumb PIA. That was their plan and not only he stood to them but all died and removed but him. It is the losthope but I hope you can see through. You will never get it.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I don’t think the question who outlived who has any relevance at all. What matters most is who is going down in history with the worst epitaph ever.

            I don’t have the slightest doubt that Isaias will be remembered as the most cruel leader of a country the Continent has ever known. Ghadafi, Mubarak, Meles including Al-Bashir have done some good stuff for their respective people. Isaias the child abductor literally destroyed a generation and once a promising nation. And that is the ultimate crime where history can not possibly forgive.

        • Brhan

          Hi Nitricc,
          Eliminated by who?…. who eliminated who ….

    • Brhan

      Hi Nitricc
      Your understanding of friendship need a checkup

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Awatistas & Moderator,

    Moderator : please don’t remove this link. It is how this symbolic queen Nubian galvanized the protesters for changes. It could influence our struggle against our despot.

    Awatistas: it gives a great pleasure to watch this heroic woman leading the protest to ousted Al-Beshir and emancipate her people. What a historical moment it is. It will be a shock to our despot and his messengers in this forum or elsewhere. A light at the end of the tunnel.

    https://youtu.be/JXiSxI0Vj3E

  • Dis Donc

    Greetings all,

    Dear moderator the following posting was meant to be here. Please be kind and delete the other one.

    Bone picking aside, for now let’s hope that the Eritrean people will be inspired by Jean Ferrat’s words. This inspiring song can be found in YouTube titled as “Le Chant Des Partisans.” (Ask French speakers for direct translation as I am not good at it.)

    Ami, entends-tu le vol noir des corbeaux sur nos plaines ?
    Ami, entends-tu les cris sourds du pays qu’on enchaîne ?
    Ohé, partisans, ouvriers et paysans, c’est l’alarme.
    Ce soir l’ennemi connaîtra le prix du sang et les larmes.

    Montez de la mine, descendez des collines, camarades !
    Sortez de la paille les fusils, la mitraille, les grenades.
    Ohé, les tueurs à la balle et au couteau, tuez vite !
    Ohé, saboteur, attention à ton fardeau : dynamite…

    C’est nous qui brisons les barreaux des prisons pour nos frères.
    La haine à nos trousses et la faim qui nous pousse, la misère.
    Il y a des pays où les gens au creux des lits font des rèves.
    Ici, nous, vois-tu, nous on marche et nous on tue, nous on crève…

    Ici chacun sait ce qu’il veut, ce qu’il fait quand il passe.
    Ami, si tu tombes un ami sort de l’ombre à ta place.
    Demain du sang noir sèchera au grand soleil sur les routes.
    Chantez, compagnons, dans la nuit la Liberté nous écoute…

    Ami, entends-tu ces cris sourds du pays qu’on enchaîne ?
    Ami, entends-tu le vol noir des corbeaux sur nos plaines ?
    Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh…”

  • sara

    sabah alkhair.. from the east===
    what is going on in the center…is it true? the net was dawn in the east

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam sara,
      I hope you are all safe. I pray the change will be for the better.

      • Paulos

        ሰላም ፍትውቲ ሓፍተይ,

        Hgidefites have a survival mechanism known as ልኽበጣ። ቅሰኒ ክብርቲ!

  • Millennium

    Hi all:

    The last standing member of the Sana’a forum is gone. Congrats to the the Sudanese for achieving what they desired

    Millennium

    • Paulos

      ሚለንየም,

      ጭሕምኻ ማይ ኣጠልቂ ጭሕሚ ጎረቤትካ ይላጸ ስለዘሎ።

      ይኣክል!

      • Millennium

        Hi Paulos:

        In Eritrea we will do it our own way, Frank Sinatra style; resentment and revenge is not our guiding principle. With the enemy of Eritrea gone one at a time, full participatory democracy is loading

        Millennium

        • Paulos

          Millennium,

          Oh yea sure, dream on bro. You mean the cruel man will hold elections or he will hand over power peacefully to the people? 😂.

          In an interview of course with TV-ሓሶት, he said, ብጀካ ህዝባዊ ግምባር ካልእ ሰልፊ ክገብር ዝብል ሰብ እንተሎ ናብ ወርሒ ክኸይድ ኣለዎ።

          In a live interview with Al-Jazzera, he said, “What elections? Maybe in thirty or forty years or maybe never! When he was asked if elections will ever be held in Eritrea? Do you know what happened to Mussolini in downtown Rome? That is exactly what is going to happen to the cruel man!

          ይኣክል!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Don’t forget that he is one from that political culture. He defend any bad news of the despot and his regime.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Millennium,

          You mean the despot has been waiting the departure of his “enemies”! and then will wake up, watch his face with cold water and become a benevolent dictator and herald ” full participatory democracy” as you dream. Why do you think the despot will be an exception to others in the region and far? It should simply be due to the frailty of human instinct that guides you to believe that the stake you might have in the hellish system he has installed and ruined the life of whole generation in our country will outlive his inevitable demise.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Paul,
        Bashir was being blackmailed and forced to dancel with Isaiass, not with the opposition. But now IA sympathizers start calling him the last Senaa man. Mubarek was their man. Sooner than he was gone, they started badmouthing him. Who could forget the warmth between IA and Ghadafi? When he ended his life very unceremoniously, his long time soulfriend IA said nothing in his defence or remembrance. Such is IA and his small circle. His supporters will support anything he does.

        • Millennium

          Hi Hayat:

          As a matter of fact, a lot of those that claim to oppose the Eritrean government were cheering the West’s operation against Gaddafi; and now you have the temerity to accuse others for not mourning Gadaffi. It is strange that you talk of Libya, a country that is a grim reminder of what happens when irresponsible bunches like you serve like trojan horses for external enemies. You were openly asking the TPLF regime to militarily remove the Eritrean government…. not caring an iota of the ensuing consequence. It is good that your prayers for Eritrea to enter and remain perpetually in a state of chaos similar to what is going on in Libya was foiled by Eritreans. You and your TPLF buddies are defeated for good. Eritreans, Ethiopians (including the people of Tigray) and the rest of the Horn of Africa are set to have a promising future

          Millennium

    • Hayat Adem

      Millennium,
      The last Sena’a? No sir, there is Djibouti. That is if head count serves anything. Sena’a F was meant to weaken IA via isolation. Now, IA is not only weak but going down.
      What did you say below? Now all enemies are gone, democracy will flowerish and elections will happen, that is as if democracy and election were not held until the Senaa Forum members are gone. Then, you will say “until all IGAD members are gone.”
      You guys are 🙂

    • Desbele

      Selam Millennium,
      Genius IA will create you another enemy to outlast once one is gone–think of Turkey now. Below is what YG has to say about your Pyrrhic victory on Sanaa forum

      “Counterintuitive as it may seem, the Isaias regime’s greatest ad-vantage over its adversaries is that it doesn’t give a damn what hap-pens to its own people throughout the duration of the waiting game; that is, so far as its survival is secured during that standoff period. It might even facilitate its own people’s demise if it finds it essential to that waiting strategy that prioritizes its survival over anything. It is in this way then that it can “afford” to outwait its enemies, with the desperate hope to outlast each and every one of them. Thus, the regime’s inability to distinguish a real victory from a pyrrhic one per-versely counts as an “advantage” in this game.

      Given that the Isaias regime doesn’t feel the pain of its people (for all its “winnings” invariably come at the expense of the masses), it is un-derstandable that it is willing to outwait any other government that has any decent concern over its own people’s welfare.

      Poor Eritrea, how many “enemy” countries do it need to outlast ….??
      Very simple formula for DIA , yet it works for the likes of Millenium. Create an enemy every time another one falls and keep the people pay for it.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Desbele,

        I think it’s kind of sad that the Eritrean intellectuals like YG and others, who do nothing but provide depressing analysis and telling people, why Isayas Afewroki is impossible to defeat and give him power that he doesn’t have.

        Instead they should focus in helping galvanize the young to take matters in their own revolution.

        Instead of waiting for Isayas Afeworki to find another enemies, the should help coming up with strategy to galvanize and help remove this dictator.

        Not only that Isayas is capable of finding another enemies, he is even capable of creating “civil war” among the people and have the people blame each other who did what. That’s what we should be planning and be ahead of the regime, rather than to expect him to care about the people and the country.

        Berhe

      • Peace!

        Hi Desbele,

        Let’s be honest. There is a consensus that the reason why Eritrea and its people are in a dire situation is because there is no organized opposition group to challenge the seating dictatorial regime. People with potential like YG should be blamed for spending the entire valuable time rewriting Eritrean history and apologizing for, TPLF, Hailesellasie, and other emperors which, regrettably, contributed to the division of Eritreans. Revisionists, too, have inflicted enough damage to the opposition camp.

        Peace!

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan Peace,

          WAITING means WEATHERING. All the people of Eritrea are opposition. All the people should never wait for special entity to guide them, they are all leaders. THEY ARE ALL OPPOSITION. The rest are secondary issues for them.

          Al-Arabi

        • Desbele

          Selam Peace,

          I wish you focus on the excerpt. DIA is emboldened by silence of good men when he started his evil deeds in early 1970’s – ever since it is like “የበሰበሰ ዝናብ ኣይፈራም”. His blood soaked hands just dont stop killing. Please read Aklile Zere’s “Birth of a despot?”
          It is too simplistic to blame individuals who exercised their freedom of expression for the opposition”s weakness.
          I brought YG’s excerpt as it precisely describes the mind sets of Millenium and the like. Look how they are associating Beshir’s ousting with DIA’s victory. Do now Eritreans need to continue to suffer until Erdogan of Turkey is ousted? That seems the thinking of Nitricc and Millenium – endless enemies , endless victories as long as DIA keeps breathing.

          • Paulos

            Desbele,

            Well said brother! It is just a messed up way of thinking.

            ጀብሃ’ዳኣ ትጥፋእ እመበር ኩሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            ኤርትራ ጥራሕ ነጻነታ ትርከብ እምበር ነቲ ኹሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            ወራር ወያነ ንመክት እምበር ነቲ ኹሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            ወያነ ትጥፋኣልና እምበር ነቲ ኹሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            እገዳ ይላዓለልና እምበር ነቲ ኹሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            ቱርክን ቀጠርን ይድከማልና እምበር ነቲ ኹሉ በዳሂ ሕቶታት ዳሓር ከነርክበሉ ኢና።

            This is how the master of analogy YG put it in one of his articles. A woman lived with her abusive husband for years and it was too visible that it made her neighbors concerned about her but she always denied any form of abuse and her rationale being, she didn’t want to appear weak and also she didn’t want to give the gratification to the enemies of her husband. And one day, she came up with a plan on how to kill her abusive husband in such a way where the plan passes undetected by the law and the neighbours alike.

            She begun feeding her husband foods rich in cholesterol so that he can die of a heart attack. One day, while her husband was sitting, he started complaining of feeling discomfort and before long, he dropped dead. And she was ecstatic that she wanted to treat herself with the best meal wearing her favorite dress. When she put on the dress and stood in front of the mirror, she saw a worn out, old and really beat woman. It took her 50 long years to kill her abusive husband!

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            I am not blaming YG for expressing his views rather, I think, his role in challenging the dictator has not been productive perhaps damaging. Normalizing the crimes of Haileselassie and opposing DIA at the same time is certainly not the way to have Eritreans united and rally behind him against the regime. DIA, his tactic, and the dire situation of the country have been naked for years, but the problem is YG and TPLF apologists have been treating the circumstance, weak Eritrea, as an opportunity to remake the country and rewrite its history, not as a problem to liberate their own people. Only I am saying we are the sore losers

            Peace!

      • Brhan

        Hi Desbele,
        Where is YG?

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    Damn it! Sudan beat Eritrea again.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Her Highness Hayat Adem,

      Both worked with their full potential Eritrea to be damned and handed over to Ethiopia. One paid dearly for his maliciousness, and the second is waiting for his inevitable penalty. Eritreans wake up late, as usual. It is better to wake up late than never.

      Al-Arabi

      • bmi1

        Focus in Eritrea….Eritrea General Aladeen…Little Wadiya “the North Korea of Africa” and, so far, nothing has changed. No ratified constitution. No elections. No freedom of press, No freedom of speech. No freedom to practice your religion if it is not one of the four state-recognized religions. Constant surveillance of the people. Tens of thousands of Eritreans have disappeared in the black hole of prisons. Indefinite national service. Young Eritreans are still risking their lives crossing the border to flee oppression.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan bmi1,

          Always my focus is on Eritrea. In three lines, I have repeated Eritrea three times. In seven lines, you have repeated Eritrea three times. Now, I leave judgement for you.

          Al-Arabi

    • Ismail AA

      selam Hayat,
      I can see your frustration. Sudan has a professional army led by commissioned army brass; but Eritrea has militia corps dubbed defense forces more loyal to a despot than the nation. That was why the junior officers attempt under Wedi Ali Hijay had ended disastrously a few years back.

    • Paulos

      Hayata,

      The bunch of useless and pathetic PFDJ in this Forum must be sh*tting in their pants for they full know that next in line is the cruel man in Eritrea.

      The cruel man is in a dilemma as in he would want to air on TV the events that are unfolding in Sudan for he had a falling out with Al-Bashir but in the meantime he would be worried that the info coming out might galvanize the Eritrean people but thanks to Assenna-TV, people will see it in full and they will be ready for May 24 to make history one more time.

      ይኣክል!

      • Mokie Berhe

        Hi Paulos. You, your brothers Berhe Y and Amanuel Hidrat and your sister Hayat Adem are hereby anointed by His Imperial Midget (HIM) Meles Zenawi) as TPLF-woyane archangels. Job well done bro! Why don’t you let Eritrean business to Eritreans.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yes Queen Hayata,

      Now that is over …

      “Today marks an incredible victory by the Sudanese people who have shown tremendous resilience and defiance over the past few months, despite deadly force being used against them and an increasing death toll.”

      Now it is the turn of our dictators.

      KS,