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Seventeen Years in Prison without Charge

The person profiled* in this edition is Haj Mohammed Ali Mahmoud, a citizen from the town of Gelluy, commonly pronounced as Geluj, in the Gash Barka area.

Haj Mohammed was arrested in the year 2000 in Asmara, and there is no trace of him since he disappeared seventeen years ago. However, his family and relatives have been praying for his release, and waiting in suspense, anxious and hoping to see him again.

Born in January 14, 1946, Haj Mohammed studied primary education in the Sudan after which he moved to Egypt where he finished high school. He returned home in 1965, a few years after the spark that ignited the armed struggle for the self determination of Eritrea.

Throughout his youth, Haj Mohammed was active in the struggle and crisscrossed the region reaching as far as Port Sudan, an important port city where many exiled and migrant Eritreans lived. In his travels, he spread awareness of the Eritrean cause and garnered support for the struggle to liberate Eritrea.

Haj Mohammed studied nursing and was active in taking care of the wounded combatants of the armed struggle who were transported to the Sudan for medical attention. Nothing could have “preoccupied him in his life as the pursuit of freedom and a peaceful life for his people.”

The long and arduous journey of liberating the Eritrean soil ended with the victory of the Eritrean armed forces in May 24, 1991, and Haj Mohammed found himself appointed as a director of the internal security apparatus in Gash Berka, where a Land Cruiser was assigned to him together with a driver named Bashir.

Ramadan said, “My father always went to Asmara, Keren and other places and roamed the country and we saw him only between his travels.”

In 1996, he was appointed in the ministry of internal affairs and “was attending many meetings with senior leaders, of whom I recall Minister Mahmoud Ahmed Sheriffo, one of his best friends who was also arrested at the same time with my father.”

After the end of the border war with Ethiopia, “witnesses who still live in Eritrea, and who should remain anonymous for their safety, said that my father always carried a pistol and a gun.”

One time, Abdella Eshako a man who was a guard at the prison, brought some information to Haj Mohamed’s family. Though Abdella and Haj Mahmoud knew each other well, in the prison, both pretended they didn’t. Abdella said that Haj Mohammed asked him, to inform his brothers and children that he was jailed for reasons he doesn’t know, in a prison in the outskirts of Asmara.

Abdella also said that there were a group of people who were interrogated in the same prison and later were transferred, together with Haj Mohammed, to the prison in Germaika, close to the Sudanese border. That is the last information the relatives of Haj Mohammed received about him, and to this day his whereabouts are unknown. He son Ramadan said, “My father is not the only one, there are many citizens like him who have disappeared in the regime’s prisons.”

Ramadan also explained that their family escaped to the Sudan during the border war of 2000, and returned only when the Ethiopian enemy forces left the region. He said, “immediately we began to ask about my father to find out whether he was dead or alive… but his friends in the government kept telling us he was in Asmara, and that he will return to us as soon after he finishes his work, maybe after a year or so.”

The family could not understand the responses they received but regardless, they kept waiting, counting the days until the days became years.

Haj Mohammed owned a restaurant and a hotel in Geluj, but it was all destroyed and lost during the invasion of the region by the Ethiopian army. Later on, the family reopened the businesses to support themselves. But suddenly the government officials gave them an order to close-down the business and that the family “cannot open the business and cannot sell it without a government permission.”
The family lived in terror and confusion until finally the government allowed them only to rent the business to others and informed them that their business license will not be renewed under the family ownership. The officials further warned them: “you have to keep quiet and never talk about that again.”

Haj Mohammed had eight children, two girls and six boys from his wife Samia Ahmed Idris. Ramadan said, “My paternal grandfather died while he was hoping to get news about his son, my father.”

Ramadan added, “I joined my paternal grandmother, all of us left and continued crying day and night… and I have a little brother who does not understand what happened to my father; he always asked about him… we just told him that he is in Asmara and he will come to us soon… now my little brother is eighteen years old and I cannot face him because I do not have an answer for his questions… I can’t help but run away from his questions, and accuse us all of concealing the real story from him while he unknowingly waited to see his father for all those years.”

Ramadan pledges, “not to forget the prisoners, and they will always be in our memories for paying a price so that we can live freely.” He further emphasized his rejection of “the Eritrean government that I even feel ashamed for considering it one–it is a gang that came out of the forest and dominated the country… but things will get better, no matter how long it takes… if the prisoners are alive, they will remain a national treasure, and if they are dead, they will have an honorable place in our history.”

*Information provided by Ramadan Haj Mohammed Ali, one of the sons of the prisoner.

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  • mt girm

    Selam Awates,
    Here is a suggestion on how to break the stalemate: Eritrea’s stance today is that there will be no normalization until
    the border issue is resolved. While that stands, let’s get together and negotiate the trade issue with the precondition that it will not be implemented as long as the border issue is not resolved. Resolving the trade issue first will address Ethiopia’s concerns that the ‘No peace No war’ stance might continue even after the border issue is resolved due to the trade dispute, Since Eritrea is found to be the aggressor by the EEBC, such a slight compromise can contribute to bringing a lasting peace. The discussions will only focus on the trade and will not be a fault finding mission but one where we amicably attempt to come up with a solution. Ethiopia has always indicated that it’s up for discussion and Eritrea’s refusal to not to talk about the border is understandable= a final decision has been made. but the trade issue is open for discussion and will not alter the final and binding border decision

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, reading all those posts, ALL I can say is that you people are missing one most important fact about Ethiopia. 65 % of Ethiopian population is 24 years of age and younger. think about it, 65 % of the 100 million people are 24 and under. saying so, those young people were born after Eritrea gone from Ethiopia. They have no lost love about Eritrea and they don’t give a hoot about Eritrea. it is the older generation of Ethiopians who are making trouble. once those trouble makers meet their makers, then there will be a now chapter between Ethiopia and Eritrea,ti ll then let’s keep our borders to close.

    • tes

      Selam Nitricc,

      What you don’t understand is that the more you close the border, the more national sentiments develops and the more drum is beaten for wars. And those aged less than 24 are growing hearing these warmongering fathers. They will definitely follow their forefathers route as YPFDJites are doing with PFDJ.

      Let us therefore open our borders for the people. Politics can be handled on the table.

      Remember what is going on between North Korea and South Korea. Today the situation between these two countries an exact copy of Eritrea and Ethiopia phenomenon. Ethiopia are OK with an open border for many reasons and have confidence to do so. Eritrea under PFDJ might have all reasons to open but its confidence is not present. We need therefore to create envrinment that will gradually build mutual confidence. Otherwise war will happen sooner definitely.

      tes

      • sara

        anta tes hawna
        you know , you have so many interesting things you bring here that i enjoy reading it ,,,but some times i mean some times .. you really show too much good will (sadaja) on certain issues that i say oh…ya tes… habibna.
        look, you can say many things about Eritrea this and that, which i understand but be careful and
        think many times when we (me & you) say eritrea is north korea like those others who say this for their ulterior motives.

        • tes

          Selam sara,

          First, nothing is wrong to label Eritrea today as North Korea. There are so many indicators to conclude as such. There is no need to conspire.

          Second, peace comes from good will. As a liberal democrat, I believe on Rule of Law and Sovereignity of nations. Every single goodwill is therefore within this perifery.

          tes

          • Mez

            Greetings Tes,

            Green Party concept may be better as it includes the environment aspect too.

            Thanks

    • Mez

      HI Nitricc,

      The demographic trend is the same for both countries, even though no statistics available by Eritreanow government.

      Now you have to ask yourself: who is war mongering and on war footage currently–TPLF led Ethiopia or PFDJ Eritrea?
      Thanks

    • blink

      Dear Nitricc
      You forgot one thing and that is , It was Eritreans who worked and has done more than any Ethiopian to help Hailessilasie to kill us and federated us. I think we need to blame ourselves too , we can just start from YG and his cronies. I am just telling you that we need a lens looking at home . Even You can find some here in this forum.

      • Mez

        Greetings Blink, PFDJ tried to eradicate every political view, but it’s own; in this country.

        I think nobody could beat it–even you. And that is not working.

        Thanks

  • Saba

    Dear justice seekers, specially from the weed
    out camp,

    Would you allow the PFDJ as a party in a free and democratic Eritrea? I am
    asking your personal opinion, not the future Constitution or any other future
    laws.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Saba,
      All you have to do is history–can you mention a party that was overthrown after committing so much suffering? Maybe one or two luck ones that survived but most were dismantled. To me, it will be allowing the bloody Derg to continue as a party after it was overthrown (read weeded out).

      • Saba

        Dear Saleh Johar,
        Yeah, for example in Italy and may be in Germany after WWII. They just changed their names but the same ideology. Your ELF was dismantled but it may have a comeback. (read PFDJ is still in power).

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Saba,
          I was so honest with you and I thought you would at least reciprocate, if not appreciate my honest replies. However, “your ELF” gave your motive away. Do I have an ELF that belongs to me and I don’t know it? You should stay away from that type of dialogue-breakers, dear.

          But to answer your last question, find it in two parts: 1) read my previous replies, and 2) I will not accept anything called PFDJ, and anything that includes the PFDJ top gangs, by it is not “My private Eritrea”, this is just my view, and what I will fight for, if I am still alive.

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            Knowing Saba, the your ELF multi-layered, and kddun baaf sliass, I will not pill it
            About PFDJ, I agree, but some people may want to name their part PFDJ, without the criminals for nostalgic reasons. Gheteb comes to mind

          • Saba

            Hi Saleh Johar,
            I think you are being honest with your answers and i like that you are bold with your opinions. That is what the rest of justice seekers should adopt.
            By “your ELF” I mean you were part of it(correct me i am wrong). Not saying that now you have a party called ELF. I was saying that one can revive the ELF ideology and build a party on it.

            Semiruley, it was not multilayered because i did not have ittan when i wrote it:) but i arranged the andnet & PFDJ sequence after a cocktail of shinfae, rihan etc. And you got it since you use the same secret Aromas:) I miss your satire.

            Dear Berhe, you should be able to talk, connect and inspire with Adey Fetien by her language, culture and aspiration. Not just copy/paste of ideas with no passion & no vision. PFDJ bashing is not enough.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saba,

            Adey Fetien and her likes are like my mothers. And my mother knows exactly what’s happening to me (her son) and others like her (son).

            Every mother knows how to speak to her children and every child knows how to speak to his mother.

            Do you believe the pfdj is speaking her language?

            Saba, it’s quite simple and I don’t know why you want to make it complicated.

            Berhe

        • Mez

          Dear Saba, the after WWII Germany is copletely/ fundamentally different from Hitler Germany. There were international military courts where especially the first and most second tier leaders were senensed to death and long impisonment. I think it goes similarly with the Italian Musolini party and affiliates.

          To state that not much happened in the plitical life of the above transition would be a great disinformation and misunderstanding.

          Thanks
          Thanks

          • Saba

            Dear Mez,
            MSI for example.

          • Mez

            HI Saba, what is MSI standing for?

        • blink

          Dear saba
          Why do you care , these all you are asking to get opinion are just a handful of English writers,where do you put semere Tesfai,Gheteb ….many like them ?? Saleh and Tes are just individuals with no power to do any. There is a very dangerous virus in America,Europe and Asia known for its name , I am 100% sure these people will play their role in a democratic Eritrea. No force can stop them. What we need is a system very secular one that can block any such virus. Do not forget there are many criminals inside the opposition too.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam SGJ, I suppose you forgot to put ‘not’ in the sentence “I believe any action against the PFDJ apparatus should [not]include the rank and file…”

      • Legacy

        Hi Saleh Johar,
        “My be one or two…”

        Were you thinking of the American Civil War ?

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Saba, what types of parties to participate in the post-Isayas era Eritrea would be determined by the covenant among the various constituents and stakeholders of the Eritrean society. This is very simple; if there are any suspected criminals within the current PFDJ regime, which I don’t doubt there are, then it would be upto the free and independent court system to handle thier cases. Eritrea belongs equally to all Eritreans and no one has the monopoly to decide who/which parties would participate in a free and fair elections, because doing so means just repeating exactly the same as the PFDJ regime has been doing under its rule since Eritrea’s independence.
      Unfortunately, I strongly doubt it that the Isayas regime is ready or willing to let the Eritrean people decide on its fate about governance through democratic means. The regime is determined on clinging to power no matter what and at any cost to the well bieng and prosperity of the Eritrean people.
      Here is what dictator Isayas told the jounalist Mark Corcoran back on May 2004 about whether he/Isayas had any plans of retiring:
      “For me retirement means retiring from what you do in life from what you aspire to achieve in life in a nation and I don’t think that will ever cross my mind again any time in the future as long as I am alive.

  • Saba

    Dear justice seekers,
    In a democratic and free Eritrea, should Andnetawian be allowed as a party and participate in the political process?

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Saba,
      I think issues of that nature are in the category of referendum not a party platform. That is because parties operate within a sovereign territory and under a sovereign constitution. Anything that alters the nation on issues outside the constitution can be resolved by referendum. Also, we need to have a party formation law before we allow this or that platform and that will decide whether they can have a party or not. That is not exhaustive but my basic view.

      • Saba

        Hi Saleh Johar,
        While i agree that a union with Ethiopia will require a referendum, someone has to bring it up. And if allowed, a successful Andnet party can ask for a referendum to unite Eritrea with Ethiopia. So the question to individual justice seekers is do you support a party formation law that allows Andnetawian to have their Andnet party fluorescing in a free and democratic Eritrea?

        • Abi

          Hi Saba
          This time around it is the Ethiopians turn to decide whether to take you back or leave you alone.
          What the Andinet party can do is apply for a reunification and wait, wait, wait until their application is denied.
          You see, I made it easy for ya.
          You welcome

          • Saba

            Hi Abi,
            Sorry but the decision is always from Eritreans. And the decision is to unite Ethiopia to Eritrea but the referendum will take place in Eritrea. After that, if you visit your new capital (Asmara), i will make you coffee unless you opt to cappuccino. Get ready for such change.

          • Abi

            Hi Saba
            I’m ready for coffee Any time any where !
            Addis as Political Capital and Asmara as Financial District works fine with me.
            Application Approved !!!
            I will be singing “Saba Sabina” on Godana Andinet!

          • Saba

            Hi Abi,
            I know you are ab kereba. You love Eritreans so much but it is a conditional love. Make it unconditional love.

          • Abi

            Hi Saba
            If you want me to love you unconditionally, tell me the meaning of “ab kereba “.
            Yeqenyeley Sabina meArey.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saba,

            Personally I think there should be no restriction what political ideology one needs to follow to be considered as political party.

            I think we should trust the wisdom of our collective people to know what’s best for them and make the right decision.

            Saba, separating countries is much easier not uniting countries. Since the WW the only countries that were able to successfully united is Germany and to small extent Yemen.

            The next best possible would be Korea but it will not be anytime soon.

            In case of Eritrea and Ethiopia, although legitimate question for some, but I don’t there is any political stomach to entertain any such move anytime soon.

            They need to live side by side in peace for generations (like Germans did – at least they didn’t have a war) and their separation was not the willing of the German people but the super powers, when it happened.

            Ethiopia political situation is far from perfect and Eritrea does not exist.

            It’s better that we focus on open boarders, trade, movement of people and goods, for the mutual benefit of the people before we consider political integration.

            In other words it’s not simple, and like Abi said, I don’t Ethiopians would want that either (because the union had been nothing but a cause of pain to them as well).

            Berhe

          • mt girm

            Selam Berhe,
            Is it possible to have open borders and free movement of people while the two countries maintain their currencies? These things don’t happen with other neighbours

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Girm,

            Open boarders means you still have boarders and you still need to carry id / passport but you do not need visa ahead of time.

            As far as economic business movements, that’s different. It’s free trade and what’s allowed and what’s not, how much goods are allowed etc.

            Yes, Europe before they become EU. Canada and US. Switzerland and the rest of Europe.

            And a lot of African countries…example Uganda and Kenya etc.

            Berhe

          • Saba

            Hi Berhe,
            In the beginning of 1998, people were moving freely between Eritrea and Ethiopia and used whichever currency they wanted. It is a good starting point.
            So in your personal opinion, would you allow the PFDJ as a party in a free and democratic Eritrea?

          • iSem

            Hi Saba:
            I had a hunch that your follow up question would be: if PFDJ would be allowed.
            If someone wants to name his party PFDJ they can do so, because no one has patent on names, the same way your neighboring parents can name their daughters Saba and you cannot do anything about it. But the principles of IA and PFDJ should not be allowed, the same way Europe does not allow the politics o Nazin now.
            PFDJ is made up of criminals and non-criminals, so the criminals should be punished and the rest should be left alone. Our fight is not with names, the same way democratic Eritrea will not punish you for naming your kids Isaiais,Yemane and or Hagos.
            About Andent? if they abide by the laws, do not commit crimes, do not discriminate, they can create their party
            Within the laws that will be enshrined, the people should be left alone
            But also remember that your understanding of the citizenship and identity in Eri is outdated
            Sudan now gives some Eritreans ethnic groups something called “Ommuddia”, which is a waiting list for becoming a full citizen, if you have this title, you have some rights,,like the police cannot harass you or round you up. The Tigre have “Ommuddia”, so do the Rashaidas and Jeberti are under the “Tigre Ommuddian”,
            I bring these to say that things are changing and Eritrean have been living in Sudan in substantial numbers for 50 years, so citizenship and identity are changing, so it is conceivable that the Andnet will not be the only party that would undo Eri, there will separatists who want to join the Sudan
            And all that is not the fault of what you sarcastically call “justice seekers”, it is the PFDJ, it did not unite Eritrea, it did not allow those who by 1991 lived in Sudan for 25 years
            So Sabu, burn your shinffae and kerbe and rihhan and brace for many uncharted waters in Eri
            My observation is, in 50 years Sudan will not be in the same form as it is, there are 3 more countries in Sudan and that will impact Eritrea

          • Saba

            Hi Semiruley,
            Thank you for the info about the new permit for Eritreans. But i hope one day they will be able to come back home.

            I am tired of the PFDJ and the so called opposition. So i am open to a new adventure but shinfae, kerbe, rihhan are always the flavors, never go with out them:)
            The so called justice seekers(JS) lack a vision other than hating PFDJ. Go explain to Adey Fetien what is freedom of expression and she will laugh at you.

            Do not you see that my one liners can connect at the gut level, better than the JS? 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saba,

            Adey fetien knows about justices, freedom and respect more that you think. May be she doesn’t know it as in “freedom of expression”, but she knows what it means to speak your mind (kem dlayka ktzareb).

            Look we do not need to reinvent the wheel, and we can’t expect to have perfect country, perfect people, perfect president etc.

            Let’s just hope for the normal country, like all other normal countries.

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saba,

            I don’t know if I am in any power to impose anything. But personally why not, if they are stupid enough to be considered a party.

            As I said, like all other people our collective wisdom is better than individuals and parties.

            TeSgibeni qichas and mequloa kela yifelta.

            Let alone the party that starved them, the people know the party that would feed them.

            Other than the yPFDJ (even them no body knows who they would vote in the secret balet), I wouldn’t think PFDJ would get 1% of votes in best circumstances.

            Sure let them run, let them waste their time.

            This does not mean those criminals in the PFDJ government who committed crimes go free and run for election.

            No criminal is allowed that previllage, justice needs to be served so that we have restitution and closure. Otherwise they will repeat the same crimes if they go unpunished.

            Berhe

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            hmmm minor/major correction, Eritreans were moving in & Out of Ethiopia freely. The other way round,hmm, not so much. stop obstructing the facts, get your story straight.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Saba,
          Sorry, now I realize it was a lazy answer, I should have added the following: Eritreans did a referendum in 1993 and the issue ended then and there. Now I feel I gave you the complete answer.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Now you gave a lazier answer.
            In 2017 Eritreans openly say Derg was better.
            There is a huge difference between 1993 and 2017. I’m not talking about numbers.
            We don’t know what is in store for 2027. Stay tuned.
            The “Reverse Opposition ” will be stronger than the “silent opposition “

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Abi, remember the Eritrean people NEVER had the chance to elect their true representatives based on democratic principles. The current Isayas dictatorship has forced itself upon the Eritrean people, and it is not the choice of the people. And I don’t think you would find many Eritreans who regret they voted yes to Independence in 1993.

          • Abi

            Dearest Abraham
            Don’t kid yourself. The end justified the means.
            Are you telling me Eritreans had democracy elected government when they went to election poles in 1993? The same wenbedewoch back then the same wenbedewoch now. The other constant here is Leul Ras Abi!!!! I always call them wenbedewoch. You thought they were angels back then, you call them mafia now.
            My point? The referendum was conducted by wenbedewoch led by , among many, the known wenbede Haile Menqorios in Addis and other places.
            If you conduct referendum today, in my conservative estimate, 70% will vote for reunification. Eritreans already found out your collective madness was not for their benefits.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Abi, and where did I say the Eritrean gov was democratically elected? Sure, the EPLF could have done it better by calling for a national dialogue, and forming a gov of national unity. But, it is also important to be realistic, we are talking about a nation that came out of a 30 year devastating war, and we had to start somewhere. The referendum of 1993 was a truly democratic process that was conducted under a peaceful and civilized environment. No one was under duress to vote either way; it was based on the free will of the Eritrean people, and it was endorsed by the international observer body. In my opinion the civilized and free and fair way the referendum was conducted is an indication of the Eritrean people’s readiness and maturity to exercise their democratic rights when they get the chance.
            PS. Do you know the EPLF had agreed to a referendum regarding the self determination of the Eritrean people back in 1980? Had your Derg agreed back then, the peoples of Ethiopia and Eritrea would have been spared the lives of hundreds of thousands of their people.

          • Abi

            Dear Abraham
            You are falling into a trap. You see the 1993 referendum was conducted by the same people who are currently running the country. They were not democratically elected and yet you accepted the results. Why?
            You said the referendum was conducted democratically . Ok, what were the choices? Barinet/ Netsanet?
            I have followed the whole drama including the press conference by Haile merqorios and Tamirat Layne.
            When asked what would be the fate of Eritreans in Ethiopia? Tamirat answered ” “እንደ expert እንጠቀምባቸዋለን”
            Haile said at Ghion Hotel press conference “ሰላሳ አመት የተዋጋነው ለባርነት አይደለም”
            No where your Embassy warned Eritreans that Ethiopian constitution doesn’t allow dual citizenship. I remember reading in ጦብያ magazine that Eritreans are being played by both governments. It also warned the upcoming consequences.
            The thing is you were busy dancing 24/7 you haven’t paid attention. Your toothless Embassy instead of engaging in all sorts of illegal activities , should have warned its citizens BEFORE, I repeat BEFORE issuing Eritrean ID. The moment you accepted your new ID you forfeit your Ethiopian citizenship. “አንድ ኢትዮጵያዊ የሌላ አገር ዜግነት ከተቀበለ ኢትዮጵያዊነቱን ይተዋል” :: That is part of Ethiopian Citizenship Law. It Has never changed since the King times.
            In my opinion a democratic process should have included awareness of the public. Unless 24/7 dancing considered a democratic process.
            ወንበዴዎቹ ጉድ አረጉህ

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi,
            Are you as an Ethiopian also say that the Derg was better than the EPRDF?

          • Saba

            Dear Saleh Johar
            Now it is a complete answer:)
            It was an introduction question for the original question which is about the PFDJ as a party in a democratic Eritrea.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            You mean the fake referendum? the one that has two options, one freedom and the other “Slavery”? the funny part is, you people don’t even pose to ask if Ethiopia wants to take you back. I guess its that exceptional Eritreanism, you know, the “they want us but we don’t” mentality. That fake referendum happened in an environment of duress and obfuscation, times have changed, so does the dynamics.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Graviton,

            Let me put this way: yes, indeed, the referendum was fake in the imaginations of those who had perceived defeat as gain.You remember the war was concluded by the victors’ decision and not by agreement of the two warring parties.The political and legal part of the game would have as well been closed by simple declaration from Asmara, and the world would have had lived with it by virtue
            of the law of wars.

            But the referendum was needed for the of laying down requirements of future relations of the two neighborly peoples of Eritrea and Ethiopia, besides the procedural undertaking under the UN Charter and relevant protocols that finalize the succession between former occupying and incoming powers.

            A sober observer would not really term 1993 UN sponsored referendum as fake, and the option
            that were put on the balloting cards were approved by a lawful reference side that was the UN. As the acceptance or rejection contention raised in your comment, it cannot seriously be taken because it merely hypothetical. Given the verdict of the Eritrean people by virtue of an internationally endorsed referendum and its outcome, that eventuality can be only be imagined in tired mind.

            The only practical contemplation of normal and mutually beneficial relations between the two nations is viable in the context of cooperation and economic integration of the nations in the region.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            The referendum was rather asked by the provisional government of Ethiopia at that time. The provisional government was also agreed on the choices of voting (yes or no). Once the two provisional governments agreed on the choices of vote, then the International community respected the agreement, and the process become legitimate as well as the result of the referendum. Eritrea become a sovergein country and a member of the International communities. Nothing will revert the current status of Eritrea at this point at least with current generation. So the issue of raising of referendum now is not worthy to the peace, stability, and prosperity of the two country. Talking on mute thing is not productive to our debate and forward looking. These two countries could coexist and cooperate better than any other arrangements. Ethiopian and Eritrean can develope side by side and will play key role in the stability of the region if we have responsible governments on both sides.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,
            Thank you; I couldn’t have put it beter except adding that those who question the referendum fall in the category of Ethiopians who tend to be nostagic of the defuct era of imperial Ethiopia and aspire to turn the clock backward. Actually, the majority of Ethiopians save the irredentists among the elites are peace loving and have reconciled with the verdict of history and moved on.
            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Aman, Ismael and All,

            The issue of Eritrea independence and Ethiopia access and the legitimacy of our referendum will always be questioned.

            To be honestly I love the Ethiopian people but I think the Ethiopian elite will never accept full heartily the outcome.

            The other day someone said, let’s finish Gered and we will go after Asab next. Now that may sound just a passing comment, but I would not rule out it’s their plan.

            All this nice gesture, we are brothers and sisters, and we wanted to live side by side and we can be best trading partners etc..is a good plan from Eritrean point of view but I don’t think that’s good enough to the Ethiopian side.

            So what do do we do….I think we can control what we can control and that’s our selves. What the Ethiopians decide to do is up to them. We need to put in our plan and our growth and development plan with “ZERO” and I mean “Zero” from Ethiopia. NO port fees, no export to Ethiopia, nothing but “zero” and come up with a plan to develop our country and our economy.

            But we are always open for business with Ethiopia as we do with all other our neighbors. No special relationship, no special agreement, no special what ever…The fact that they believe we can’t survive in our own (may be we thought they can’t survive with out us too) needs to be erased from their memory and our memory…

            Any thing needs to be mutual and the sooner we accept this fact and we find a way to make it a reality the better. The reason being, for anything to work, we both need to want it and we need to make it happen.

            May be it is better for them they integrate with Djibouti and make a union, honestly after they invested so much, it’s probably the best economic solutions.

            Berhe

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Berhe,

            You’re right about Assab coming back into our national agenda in the near future. Preferably after completing GERD. The last time this issue was pursued by the Ethiopian government it was scuttled by Meles who gave orders to hold back the advancing Ethiopian army. Remember that the illegal occupation of Assab is still a wound in the conscience of the Ethiopian people and everyday we are living with the humiliation of being a landlocked country by Eritrea. Sooner or later, there will come a time where the national agenda will be reclaiming our sovereignty over Assab and restoring our sea access.

            Btw, I commend your attitude towards Eritrean self reliance. I hate these pretentious talks about economic integration, open borders zibazinke spouted by some members. Because we know and we’re tired of this Eritrean ብልጣብልጥነት:: There was favoritism to Eritreans in the past under Mengistu and Haileselassie regime but that was as a sort of appeasement to persuade the people of Eritrean from the claws of the ተገንጣይ ወንበዴዎች. But now that Eritreans have chosen the claws of the ወንበዴ, there is no need for us to appease Eritrea(ns).

            NB: ወንበዴ ማለት እኮ የሚያወናብድ ወይም እንዲህ አደርጋለው ብሎ ሌላ የሚያደርግ ነው:: ነፃነት, እኩልነት, እና ብልፅግና አመጣለው ብሎ ባርነት እና ጭቆና ካመጣ ወንበዴ ይባላል:: ወንበዴዎች ናቸው ብለን ብንጮህ ብንጮህ አልሰማ አላቹህ…እንግዲህ youve made your bed, you sleep on it ይላሉ ፈረንጆች

            መልካም ቀን ወንድሜ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Zara Yaqob,

            Thank you for your honest and candid comment as well. Just a couple of question.

            1) The Derg called TPLF Wombedewoch as well. Do you say the same thing to the TPLF as well.
            2) Why isn’t Ethiopia considering taking over Djibouti? Or access to port via Somalia?

            Thanks,
            Berhe

          • Zara Yaqob

            Selam Berhe,

            1. Of course, ወያኔም ወንበዴ ናቸው:: ዲሞክራሲ እናሰፍናልን ብለው ይሀው 26 ዓመት ስልጣን ላይ ናቸው (መቶ በመቶ አሸንፍናል ብለው የሚኮምኩ ወንበዴዎች ያውም)::
            2. Why should we go for the ports of Djibouti or Somalia when we have our own port thats illegally occupied by Eritrea.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Zara Yaqob,

            ታናሼ ታሞብኝ ወጥቼ ከቤት፤
            ጠበል ፍለጋ ምርቃን ጸሎት፤
            ከማዶው ኣይቼ ባለ ኣንደበት፤
            እንደ ዘርኣ ያዕቆብ ሊቀ ሊቃውንት፤
            ባለ ግርማ ሞገስ ባለ ብዙ ሃብት፤
            ለካስ እሱም ኑሯል እነደ ኣብነት፤
            ሲመክሩት ኣይሰማ ሲወቅሱት፤
            የፈጣሪ ስራ ታምር ታምራት፤
            እስቲ ኣሁን…
            ኣይበቃም ኑሯል ኣንድ ኣብነት ባ’ንድ ቤት?

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            አንዱን ለምሣሌ አንዱን ለመድሃኒት
            አሜን ብለህ ውሰድ ይሁንህ አብነት!!!!!!!!!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Zara yaqob,

            I just take saay’a advise and say “Yihunleh”.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Zara Yaqob,

            “ወንበዴ ማለት እኮ የሚያወናብድ ወይም እንዲህ አደርጋለው ብሎ ሌላ የሚያደርግ ነው:: ነፃነት, እኩልነት, እና ብልፅግና አመጣለው ብሎ ባርነት እና ጭቆና ካመጣ ወንበዴ ይባላል:: ወንበዴዎች ናቸው ብለን ብንጮህ ብንጮህ አልሰማ አላቹህ…እንግዲህ ”

            I

          • Zara Yaqob

            Tadias kokob,

            I hope you and Berhe mean yihunilih in a sense that when the Ethiopian government asks for Assab ያለ ምንም ማንገራገር እና መግደርደር እንደምታስረክቡ:: Cheers to that!!!

            P.s welcome back btw

          • Abi

            Hi Zera Yaqob
            እንደፈቃድዎ ይሁን ማለታቸው ነው:: ትንሽ እንደመግደርደርም ይቃጣቸዋል

          • Dear Berhe Y,

            I would have liked not to comment on this topic, but I could not help it.
            Certain things should be clear in the minds of both ethiopians and eritreans. Ethiopians should stop once for all to doubt eritrean independence and eritreans should stop taking for granted that ethiopia will put up with the idea of being a landlocked country forever.
            We should blame the two cousins for this complication. They could have given the two people mutually acceptable, beneficiary and respectable divorce paper that would have made the two countries friends and not enemies. Their hate blinded them, and they wanted to leave a legacy of a hundred years’ problem (as dia once said), and this is the hundred years’ problem, the issue of a sea outlet for ethiopia. No need to hide it, because it will pop up now and then.
            No war for the sake of assab, but no cooperation with eritrea is going to be the recipe. I do not think that any future negotiations between the two countries will exclude assab as one of the topics in the agenda, and that is why dia does not want to talk at all. Any future solution should be a complete solution that does not leave unfinished issues for the future. This is not going to happen in the near future.
            We can already see the result of a ‘zero’ trade with ethiopia, even though eritrea trades with the rest of the world, without of course saying that eritrea will be lost if she does not trade with ethiopia.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I am glad you commented, and it’s good that you have the benefit of the two people at heart. Like I said, personally I think Eritrea has no issue to entertain any future relationship provided that it’s done according to the international accepted norms and procedures. We have been on this topic for the past 17 or so years and nothing seem to change to give me hope that Ethiopians have moved on. It’s a topic that keeps coming back everytime. So far I think, I can say most Ethiopians are ok with the “no war no peace” condition because their rational is that, let Eritrea suffer under the dictator and let them lose their hope and sometime down the road, when they are tired, disintegrated then Ethiopia will have a way to regain what ever that it needs.

            Trust me I am not being ungrateful that Ethiopia is hosting thousands of Eritreans in the refugee camps. I like to believe it that it’s doing as part of the International obligation and on the good heart of it’s leaders. However if one looks at from Ethiopia strategic security point of view, Ethiopia would rather not have those 100, 000 plus young Eritrea in the Eritrean army…for what ever eventually that would unfold. In other words, Eritrea is less strong because it doesn’t have the young and the able to defend it.
            What’s the cost for Ethiopia to host those Eritreans. I think except the land it has provided I think the cost is small, because the budged is being allocated by the UNHCR and if anything it’s injection to the Ethiopian economy (albeit not desired way) just highlighting that Ethiopia is not paying out of it’s budget. For example, compared to Eritrea refugees in Israel (where Israel has no benefit, be it security or financially).

            Horizon,
            As Ismail has said it, we are speaking post Isayas Eritrea that’s is governed by the norms of international accepted methods and procedures.

            My main point of argument is that, we Eritreans should be prepared cast the future of our country and our economy in our way without having “zero” dependency on the Ethiopian market. It’s not because we do not want it and we do not appericiate it, not at all. But as long as Ethiopian government and elite see that Eritrea is the beneficiary of this arragment (what ever that may be) and use it to wedge for political reason and create problems, then we are better of without having any economic relation if they do not desire.

            Eritrea will always be open to business with anyone, specially Ethiopians. Anything that comes from Ethiopia would be just bonus.

            My reason is that, we are spending a lot of our productive time and our productive years talking about the issue that we have no control of. All of us here at AT forms, (including Ethiopians) I believe none of has are really into politics and have the desire to be politicians. We are spending a great deal of our time and our resources discussing items that give us very little benefit and to our people. Granted we are no body to make changes or change course of those in power, but I think we would have better of spending our resources looking at solutions that better serve our people.

            Berhe

          • Dear Berhe Y,

            Thank you for your thoughtful response.
            Eritrea’s fate is in the hands of eritreans. No amount of ethiopia’s wish can influence her future more than the wish of the eritrean people and the eritrean government. The “no war no peace” situation exists not only because ethiopia wants it, but because the eritrean government is also a major contributor for its existence and its continuation.
            If we see ethiopia hosting more than 700k refugees only from the point of view of an economic benefit (i doubt ethiopia gains economically), it will be unfair for the humanitarian service ethiopia and ethiopians are giving to human beings during their difficult hours. Many countries close their borders, others mistreat them and still others exploit them. On the other hand, eritreans, 165k of them, in refugee camps, many more living freely among the ethiopian society, and still others studying in ethiopian schools and universities cannot be seen from the point of view of economic advantage for the host country. Security and acceptance by the ethiopian society cannot be bought with any amount of money.
            In this globalized world, countries that want to isolate themselves from the world and regional economy and collaboration, and wish to live in a state of permanent confrontation with others, will be the ultimate losers.
            As you very well said, fortunately, we have no control over the political decisions taken in our region. Sometimes our opinions are much more radical and dangerous than the policies of both governments.
            Finally, ethiopia and eritrea should learn to tango for peace, collaboration and cooperation, instead of fighting each other at every level and with every chance they might find.

          • Abi

            Hawuna Berhe
            Very interesting.
            I’m just shaking my head in disbelief.
            You just dismissed hundreds of thousands of Eritreans who reside and economically benefit all over Ethiopia. You only want to talk about those in refugee camps where their living expenses are covered by UNHCR. According to you Ethiopia provides only the land. This is a useless argument just to diminish all Ethiopia is doing for all Eritreans. You failed miserably. Try again.

          • iSem

            Hi Abi and BY:
            Ethiopia is providing more than the land, it is less corrupt than the Sudan, a country credited for helping Eritrea which is false claim, Sudan provided lots of land to us, but hurt us, the rounding of Eritreans by Ethiopia during the war was one time event, Sudan has been rounding Eritreans for 50 years now and Sudanese have enriched themselves form the Eri cause and the suffering of Eritreans and refugees. But the Eri refugees and Ethiopia will out live Sudan, Sudan will disitegrate into at least 2 more countries and it deserves it. Yes we have more than 600,000 refugees who are suffering and enriching Sudan they should thank us no the other way around, Sudan is behind the ELF collapse, I will celebrate to see a country that cleanses 400,000 of its own disintegrate. And the human trafficking and organ harvesting happened by the blessing of Sudanese
            Ethiopia is taking refugees at the expense of its own security risk, I am sure there are spies among the refugees and given what happened during the war Ethiopia has restrained itself from ethnic cleaning Eritreans. Ethiopia must be commended on this regard,
            It has done several good gestures, whether it provides only land or only air or vaccuum, Ethiopia has become the safest place in the Africa for Eritreans, safer than their own country
            sorry to digress, I just happened to talk to someone who was gung-ho on how sudan helped us and I told him the same

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem, Abi and all

            When you repeat it “Ethiopia is providing more than the land” it doesn’t sound right/ nice at all. I am sorry I didn’t mean it that way.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            I know what u mean cus I know your position, I did not do a good job but I was trying to clarify your position and in the middle of the comment, the guy called and get me going about Sudan 😉

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            Thanks for your input. I know Hawuna Berhe has a good heart. He only misspoke. Ethiopia has always been the greatest and safest place for Eritreans.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            As usual I didn’t expect you to understand what I was trying to say. Those Eritreans (refugees) would be better off in their own home.

            I am not trying to diminish Ethiopia generosity, but if the end game of the Ethiopian government (or like you always remind us to walk over Eritrea) then it’s a good strategy from Ethiopia security point of view.

            So far..

            1) It weakens Eritrea by losing the youth that can defend it.
            2) It weakens the Eritrean government politically and separate the support the youth/people had to the government.
            3) it is providing shelter and refugee to the Eritrean youth.

            From Ethiopia government priority which of the three benefits it the most? That’s what I am trying to say…I think the first two would of highest priority, compared to the third.

            P.S. I am NOT convinced the Ethiopian government is not capable of solving the boarder stalemate and move forward. It wanted it equally to stay like that.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawuna Berhe
            I don’t see where Ethiopia is benefiting from the three choices. I see Eritrea is loosing.
            Berhe champions league is about to start. The two Madrid teams are facing off as we speak.
            Talk to yo later

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe Y,

            I know we have times when we lose our directions. Sometimes we get frustrated as we are tested by people of other nationals. I see there are some Ethiopians who would think we are down and might think we want to comeback to them. They forget that we are very happy that our country is liberated and our problem is only we the thieves/mafias taking our country to the edge of a cliff. The most important thing we need to do is focus. Know that our country is sovereign and nothing can change that. So, I suggest i see the old Berhe. The Berhe I know who wishes the two sisterly nations living side by side, but with no border to stop the two people moving from and to. We need to always be visionaries. Neither of these these countries can do it separately. If we are envisioning to advance, we will always need each other. Unlike the mafias we will never create enemies but friends. The world we have now is about creating peace and market, to uproot hunger we will need peaceful coexistence. We will always fight for peace and against war and backwardness. Together we can advance and separate we will fail. We must have a dream for peace and economic advancement in our region in particular and our would in general. Let’s think out of the box.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Thomas,

            A very sensible and focused thinking!

            Stay focused on the essentials and it is only a mater of time. Remember we all have those few short sighted but vocal groups that feed the negative energy that is consuming our communities. The confusing messages such as “come back, don’t come back, we don’t need you, we need each other, we love you, we don’t love you any more, we need a wall, we need unlimited access, etc…” are signs of frustration and nothing more. Everything is bad when one is having a bad day, but let’s all remember that it will all pass.

          • mt girm

            How about calling the future East african nation ‘Etiea’!!! One central government made up of Etieans. One currency, one borer… one LOVE!!

          • iSem

            hi Thomas:
            I almost agree with the entire comment:-)
            Sure, out of the box thinking is a recipe for change and it is called vision
            I think, we are assuming by the time PFJD is gone, by the time Gheteb is senile not to remember that Naqfa was liberated by IA, things will be as usual: we will create out government, our document, free press and elections and we will live happily
            We are not thinking about he micro-trends that are going on, such as the undemarcated border is changing the concept of citizenship, the PFDJ changing regions is changing identities , the ethnic based opposition (a new occurring that has not have precedent in the Eritrea armed resistance), the Sudanese changing country and the Ethiopian Dsjuboit economic integration, etc. Even the idea of ELL and Agazaazine seedlings, all these are changing the very fabric of the country and the collective belonging we felt that was forged by Ghedli
            So when PFDJ is gone and if we do not factor all these things and we just create a government and const, and go about our business, I believe we will be unpleasantly surprised.

            We are bickering about Union or separation, but once PFDJ is gone and the Affar Sultan who is subservient to PFDJ dies, we do not know if the new one will want Ethiopia or Eritrea, the 1 million Affars in Ethiopia may not want Ethiopia, and the 300, 000 Affars Dankalia may not want Eritrea that is out of box thinking

          • sara

            anta berhe hawna..
            ertrianans have 2nd home called sudan were there are more eritreans next to eritrea and it has been that way way back from the 60th… why are you so much focused to the south
            as eritreans have only one neighbor…
            btw,there are eritreans who will never entertain any of those you and many are hoping…

          • iSem

            Hi Sara:
            Sudan is home for Eritreans? Are you serious? Eritreans lived in Sudan for 50 years and still they are in the refugee camps, contrary to UN rules, they were never integrated, and Sudan steals the money that is supposed to support the refugees

          • sara

            ya semere
            Sudan is indeed the second home to “many” eritreans, not only they live and work they also have preferential treatment to gain citizenship if they choose . eritreans in sudan specially in the east from gedarif to port sudan are involved in government/economy/social affairs.there are now more eritreans in sudanse universities then any where out side eritrea, and that mostly for free.I am telling this knowing well you have been raised and schooled in the Sudan of-course with the help of UN agencies or some religious organizations who operate in Sudan.
            you may be right some corrupt individuals may benefit from refugee budgets of the UN but this is not news… even those NGO’S employees of these agencies steal monies like their counterparts in the local authorities…. not the Sudanese government/people.

          • iSem

            Hi Sara:
            Semere T doubled your mistake by up voting you, but it is ok, he is exercising his voting right:-)
            No, you are wrong on many counts, almost every count
            What is Eritrean in Sudan, you should know that there are Tigrayit and Hidarb speaking Sudanese too, even the governors of the Eastern region as formerly known were at one point Kerara and Shasha, the first Tigrayit speaking and the second Hadendwa, these two are Sudanese.
            Now, if you consider every Tigrayit speaking and Hidarb speaking an Eriitrean, that is a problem and only Semere T can help you:-)
            Eritreans do not have any right in Sudan, if they did, they would not be living in refugee camps for 50 years since 1967 and contrary to the common wisdom that Sudan helped Eritrea, it hurt Eritrea, its cause and its future by creating the Eritrean Islamic Jihad movements, by constantly changing alliances and destroying Eritrean movements and by getting paid to allow the murder and kidnap of Eritreans in their streets and by profiting from the refugees settlement and visa they illegally sell for hard currency. It is not few corrupt individuals, I do not care about few corrupt individuals because even in heaven there there were some corrupt angles, I am stalking about the entire Sudanese system is based on corruption, it lives by corruption and it will die by corruption.
            There is something called Ommuddia, technically second level citzenship and only some segments of Eritrean get that even to there is third level, the Ommuddia under some other Ommuddia, eg the Jebrti at one point were granted Ommuddia under the Tigre (Kassa)
            And Yes, i lived and studied in Sudan but not under religious organizations and I know the system relatively well and it can be summed like this: the most corrupt place in the planet and that corruption and hypocrisy will not go unpunished, it will undo the nation, it has started with the South, next will be DarFur, then the East, then the Nuba region. And that will have a domino effect on Eritrean demography and geography and its status as a country as we perceive it today

          • sara

            merhaba semere
            i wrote what i know and feel about sudan and you said yours and let the readers judge who is right and who is wrong…. but what really pains me is you are brought up and schooled and lived most probably half of your life in Sudan and you have this type hatred of Sudan, and the worst is you have bad wishes to the future of sudan…and i am sure you will not agree if some one writes the same about Ethiopia.

          • iSem

            sara:
            No need to judge, there are many who do not have a clue about Sudan, so we cannot let them judges. And u are so wrong about my hatred, all fi rassik:-)
            And watch out, why u deporting me to Ethiopia, I am Erittrean
            Lived in Sudan half my life, how did u reach this number
            Facts arae facts, it is not wishing them, they failed to create a country, instead they created a corrupted systems that enslaves and cleanses. Sudanese bleak future is not my wish it is what they sow and they ripped it. You cannot cleanse 400k of ur own population and expect to have peace in the long term
            Does the Darfur thing mean anything to u?
            I am just telling u that since 1956, 60 years they failed and with South gone, with Darfur issue, though quelled for now, it will ignite again and the east will reignite. These are just facts, so relax sister and do not strip me of Eritrean citizenship, I do not have even second class status in Sudan
            Sudan is just ticking bomb and “saydna Mahdi or Saydna Margheni” will not save them

          • sara

            ya semere
            maelesh for making you feel that way, probably you misread it or as you said kan fe rasek
            keman..i am saying yemken !
            no one will disagree with you about the problems sudan has been facing and still faces but who doesn’t?
            look to all the problems in Africa from south Africa to Libya from Nigeria to Ethiopia, but to make Sudan’s problem or future is worst that those i mentioned is absolutely wrong.
            having said that the issue which i brought was Sudans relations with Eritrea is the best future than many of our neighbors. this is a fact many here in this forum have to absorb it whether they like or not.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sara,

            Either you need to read my comments again or I don’t know what you are talking about it.

            I asked you before and I will repeat it again. Are you ok if Eritrea will not have any relationship with Sudan?

            There are Eritreans/Ethiopian who feel the same way. Because it has been that way for centuries..it’s the first time that the link is broken in 1998/2000.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y,

            We ( Eritrean & Ethiopian ) watching at your stand of future east Africa ..

          • sara

            selam Berhe
            i read your comments well …. don’t’t worry its clear and understandable.
            you are asking me—–Are you ok if Eritrea will not have any relationship with Sudan?
            why should it? there is no historical enmity between Eritreans and Sudanese…or
            any problem coming from sudan. Sudan is the only country which has through out our difficult years who stood with eritrean people. Eritrea should actually be very close to sudan than to any country in the neighborhood.i can list you 1001 reasons why but there will not be space
            left for others to comment in this thread.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Berhe Y,

            Some response comments to your post call for a few points. While respecting personal views of those Ethiopian friends, one could not but feel that their views on the Eritrean-Ethiopian post-1991-93 relations fall in the area of after the fact contemplation. The divorce had taken place and legally validated by virtue of victory of one party in the conflict that earned international recognition through popular plebiscite. That legal separation produced two sovereign nations sharing internationally and regionally recognized borders. Those who feel Ethiopia’s national ego had been bruised by this fate of history do not want to ponder on the fact that their country was in fact landlocked from the time Emperor Menelik recognized Eritrea as Italian colony. The formal separation in 1993 had restored the status quo ante and rectified the unilateral and illegal annexation of Eritrea in 1962 by breaching an internationally guaranteed Federal arrangement.
            That aggression had caused the two peoples unfathomable human and material cost.

            Entertaining repetition of the same mistake on the question of Assab or any sovereign portion of Eritrea would not be to benefit of both peoples. Besides, thinking that the Ethiopian mothers and fathers would want to lose another three million dead and wounded of their loved ones that they had suffered through their governments’ 30 years war to subdue the Eritrean people to submission would be insane. In fact such renewed adventure becomes even more unthinkable when contemplated in the context of changing political and demographic environment in Ethiopia.

            Thus, the good thing for the mothers and fathers in both countries would be mutual recognition and moving on as two neighboring nations that share a lot of things that could enhance their advancement in harmony and goodwill. The interrupted use of the Eritrean ports is temporary pending the resolution of outstanding issues that had caused unnecessary loss of live such as the border war of 1998-2000. In my view, promotion of democratic governance in both countries would contribute to enhancement of cordial and cooperative relation free from nationalistic jingoism and aggression on both side of the border.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ismail,
            Today being a holiday we can put-in some extra time in our discussion. Every time I come back here the language I read from the opposition (I’m not even talking about PFDJ) makes me not just cringe but also a reflection of pure hate and prejudice to look down upon them and badly too as if they were some kind of lepers. Can’t we just say to them that Eritrea was sold to the emperor without not just her will but also without her consent? Why can’t we see that they paid dearly to keep us in their union and in the end that it just didn’t workout? Why can’t we define Gedli as a restarting of our fledgling democracy and early legal system while quietly letting them know that Ethiopia was practicing anything but democracy and rule of law? Can’t we just be ourselves without naming every of their ethnicities derogatorily? Can’t we just be respectful to them even when they aren’t?

            To be continued…

          • Abi

            Hi D D
            Tell me more. Can’t wait…
            I hate commercial breaks!

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Aman,
            Sela mat.
            Simply I am asking for clarification.
            Does the provisional government of that time was an eligible representative of the Ethiopian people to decide on such issues I mean on matters of natonal interest.
            Thanks.

          • Abi

            Hi G Gebru
            Please be fair when you ask someone who has no idea about what he is talking. This “all knowing ” person used to call Oromos as “Gallas” until two years ago. This is how much he knows Ethiopians and their government. He is totally detached from the reality on planet earth. Be nice to him.

          • Selam G. Gebru,

            The main point is the derg was defeated and eritreans could have simply packed and left without ifs and buts. There was no government that represented ethiopia and her interests, and carrying out a referendum after a 30 yrs war of independence had no meaning at all, unless it was meant for propaganda reasons, to make the separation look the wish of the people and not only that of eplf and to appease the ethiopian people, i do not know how. I do not think that there was a legal reason to carry out the referundum. Eplf had no reason to ask for legitimacy, unless there was a hidden agenda, that of duality, in and out at the same time, beneficiaries both ways, double citizenship against ethiopian constitution, etc. The period 1991-1998 showed exactly that until it got out of control and led to the devastation of the last war.

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Horizon,
            Sorry for the late response. First of all you have to thank the mercenary TPLF. Secondly, the EPLF tried to out smart the world in general and the Habesta people in particular that separation was the will of the Eritrean people as you indicated it. The problem here is you know what many people do not understand or do not want to understand is that a simple divine dulge can make every thing NEBERE YA NEBERE.
            Don’t take Ethiopia easly!
            If you have time please listen to the new Teddy Afros’ song about this great country. Even it’s archenemies and their sura gots those who do not sleep day and night to weaken it have realized it’s greatness and it’s blessing and are turning their face to words her. I think this is enough for today.
            Thanks and best regards.

          • Abi

            Hi G Gebru
            It is never enough when it comes from you.
            መንገዶች ሁሉ ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ያመራሉ:: ጠላቶቿም ይሰግዱላታል : ግዛቶቿም ይመለሳሉ :: የከዷትም ያለቅሳሉ ተብሎ ተፅፏል:: ትንቢተ ኢሣያስን አንብብ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Gebru,

            What makes Derg and Haileselssie legitimate regime than the current government. Unfortunately, International community deals with the governments in place, and makes any kind of treaty or agreement. Any governments that follows should be abided the agreements of their predecessors. That is the norm of international laws.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I am going to go all Emma on you and point out that this tired discussion, provoked by people who are in no position to act on their dreams, has nothing to do with the article under discussion.

            Asmara boys used to have a one word answer for making people stubborn arguments: “yikhunelka” or “yifterelka.” (Yihunleh, in Amharic.). Life is way too short to discuss “qey bahrachn”. (That goes double for you Berhe Y)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            You are right Aya Adi-U. It is my fault. I get it.

          • G. Gebru

            Dear say,
            How are you dear?
            Can I say Eritrean failure and the advancement in age, may God bless you with good health and long life, are putting pressure on you. Simply a brotherly joke.
            Yikhunelka the Asmara boys they are repeating it with the dictator.
            As for the Red Sea is concerned taking into account the present Eritrean situation and Eritrean arogance it looks in jeopardy.
            Thanks and best regards.

          • saay7

            G Gebru:

            Yikhunelka

            😅

            saay

          • G. Gebru

            Dear saay7,
            I am not pessimist but sekufeye.
            Thanks.

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Aman,
            The first problem with us Eritreans is that we fail to understand Era.
            The Emperor was more or less we can say he was feudal king but if one sincerely evaluates him he has done a commadable job in defending the Teritorial integrity and sovereignty of his country.
            His introduction of modern education which most of today’s elites from both isle are the product. The introduction of Parliament and constitution which you and I are lacking and crying for.
            Derg was the product of the cold war Era or communist socialist Era the idology of which was preached and adorned by the then university students and elites. What happened in the Derg Era is what the world witnessed of such regimes world wide.
            The second and unparareld weakness of Eritreans in general and the regime in Asmara in particular is we always try to beautify ourselves with comparison we those we think are uglier than us and brag as if we have put the world under our feet.
            If the Emperor is to be blamed it is for the action he took in the western lowlands of Eritrea which is realy a black spot on his reputation.
            For the clarification I asked for let time answer it.
            Thanks and best regards.

          • Brhan

            Hello G. Gebru,
            For the emperor the country was only Shoa and the people were only Shoans.

          • G. Gebru

            Dear BrHan,
            Selamat.
            First thank you very much for considering my comment.
            If we are to talk about Shoa, with the exception of Addis Abeba and Nazret and the main highways that go from Addis to the various provinces, it was the most hard hit in terms of infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc. That the society needs.
            When the Derg over threw the Emperor what I know and I hope what the rest of the world knows is that they inherited from him a 14 province(tekelaygezat) Ethiopia which in their part babtized them as Kefle Hager.
            May be some one will raise their defeat, yes they were defeated a principled defeat. Period.
            Thanks BerHan.

          • Abi

            Hi Brhan
            Did you know the King invested more in Eritrea and Eritreans than anywhere else?

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            why do you think the then “provision government” turned current day oligarchs have lost credibility by the majority of people? i mean Ethiopians? They betrayed the interest of the very country they are running, trust me when i say this, once the people deal with these renegades, the focus will be north ward. Like i said before, check the dynamics, they are changing fast. Do you think there aren’t any Eritreans who opt for unification?

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            “A sober observer would not really term 1993 UN sponsored referendum as fake”

            Lets talk about the 1952 UN sponsored federation of Ethiopia and its province Eritrea, and apply the same logic that you used, can we say majority Eritreans were in favor of federation if not unification?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Graviton,
            First thing first: in 1952 Ethiopia had no province that was called Eritrea. It had 13 provices. For that reason the UN General Assembly resolution on Eritrea had nothing to do with Ethiopia. It had to do with part of the disposal of former Italian colonies in Africa – three of them, namely, Italian Somaliland, Libya and Eritrea. The disposal was governed by Paris Peace Treaty of 1946 when Italy surrendered those territories to WWII victorious powers. They had taken prerogative of dealing with the future of those colonies by virtue of winners in the war. Thus, Ethiopia came in as claimant through lobbying (not right per se but need of outlet to the sea) with Britain and the US who were covetous of our region for strategic geopolitical reasons in the context of the post WWII world order that gave way to the emergence of the Soviet Union and its sphere of influence and the USA and allies. Ethiopia could take advantage of the situation and linked its interest with USA by promising close relations and 99-year lease of military surveilance post in Asmara if the US and allies manage to device relationship between Eritrea and Ethiopia that eventually allowed to swallow the former (Eritrea).
            The US operated on that premise but because of Eritrean opposition as evidenced by reports of a UN fact finding commission for direct annexation, Ethiopia’s former Emperor and the USA settled for compromise settlement that linked Eritrea and Ethiopia in federal relationship with broader autonomy for Eritrea under liberal constitution that guaranteed full liberties and freedoms that started implementation in 1952.
            Regards

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            “Ethiopia came in as claimant through lobbying and not through right that had to be restored per se”

            Who gets to say Ethiopia isn’t the rightful owner of that part of its land? you? shabo? you are entitled to your opinion, not to your facts.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Graviton,

            Come on, sir, let us be a bit serious. The simple and historical answer to you question is that Emperor Menelik II and the Wichale Treaty said that “that part of [the] land” did not belong to Ethiopia. This was reconfirmed when the victorious army of Menelik did not step an inch from Aduwa towards the north and crossed the Mereb River. Thus, if you are objective brother or sister you should entitle me not only to opinion but opinion backed by facts of history.
            Thanks for engaging anyway.

        • Dear Saba,

          The time for ethio-eritrean reunion is still far away. Muchmore, when we discuss ethio-eritrean​ politics, we tend to forget the other half of eritrea, which is the Muslim lowland eritreans. Remember, their fathers started the revolution, and they have no reason whatsoever to opt for reunion. With the Christian highland demography showing a continuous gradual decrease, the ‘no’ vote will be the majority anyway in few years. Approval of Parliament will be necessary or the government itself should trigger a referendum in eritrea’s case, which is out of the question.
          On the contrary, reunion may come forced from outside, due to a regional or worldwide geopolitical tremor. Both governments will be told to shut up and do as told, and both people will wake up jolted from their deep sleep to the music of reunion, and they wouldn’t know why. The known suspects will be blamed for the past problems, and those who try to react will not be able to do so.
          It may look like a conspiratory theory, but not out of this world. Nothing is impossible in politics.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            Is too early to talk at this moment..it might require and simple smooth journey.. .

          • sara

            Dear horizon,
            Dont bet on other half of the past is no more..
            The lawland of Eritrea is 77% of the people and land.

          • Sahay Erican

            Dearest Sara,

            Since the highlanders here have lost their ሓሞት to challenge your assertion, I have to take the liberty and venture into this unchartered territorial claims. Your number is not an extraordinary. What makes it a little different from the old one that has lost its sweetener is that it is a little higher. The old number that Ibrahim Sultan invented and used in his infamous speech at the United Nations Headquarter more than half a century ago was 75%. Since then, the Eritrean Muslim elites have been using it to advance their destructive ideology.

            Here are some examples:

            1. The ELF had divided Eritrea into 12 provinces to prove that lowland Eritrea was 75%.

            2. Lowlanders represented 75% of the ELF’s leadership while about 80% of its fighters were highlanders by the time it became history.

            3. When the opposition held its conference in Hawassa, Ethiopia, with great fanfare as if there was no tomorrow, the elected leadership represented 75% of lowlanders.

            The list goes on…

            The riddle no one dares to answer is this,

            How did the 25% Eritreans manage to liberate the country?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Sahay Erican,
            .
            I read from the book “YeErtrea Guday” that Ibrahim Sultan claimed 75% Muslim Eritrean population at the U.N.
            .
            I didn’t know about the conference held at Hawassa, Ethiopia elected 75% lowlanders to the leadership positions. That is news to me. I wonder if the Bishoftu conference was the other side of the coin.
            Thanks for your informative comment.
            .
            Mr K.H

          • Hagos Kahsay

            Dear Sahay,

            That is the original lie, that nobody seems to be willing to acknowledge. Some try to gloss over or, by saying he meant 75% of the land, as if stones, deserts and shrubs had a vote.

            The oppoaition will not move a single step forward unless, the people make it clear to them that, after IA only the rule of law will be king. Their battle with history has to be buried with them.

            /Hagos

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Sahay Erican,

            Though every one of us is entitled to his/her view on a given issue, the worst enemy of an expressed opinion is the risk of generalization based on hearsay or orally transmitted stories. For example, you stated (without qualification) that the ELF adopted 12 provinces in order “to prove that lowland Eritrea was 75%.” You did not tell your reader whether the 75% figure was taken as standard reference.
            Moreover, you did not provide evidence the ELF designation were provinces or simply military civilian administrative operational areas, besides not caring to alert your reader the circumstances or representational platform that produced the leadership composition you had mentioned: namely ELF congress of 1975 or Hawassa congress of 2011. If you had not been present at one of those events, or one of them at least, you simply wrote about them from memory that stored those things from hearsay or information from secondary sources.
            Now, the best way for clearing such risks would have been availablility of credible census for reference which the current dictatorship has been refusing to hold. A proper development plan is impossible without one. Such undertaking has long been over due in the span of more than quater of a century tenure of the regime. Of course it is not difficult to understand the politics of the regime in refusing holding the census. I am not sure whether you had contemplated on this national problem because quotations on the population in Eritrea are either based on estimations of the 1950s or figures some agencies such as the UN’s suggested for some purpose.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Would you care to comment on sara’s claim?

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Ismail,

            Could you address Simon’s question please?

            To tell you the truth, I don’t have the luxury of time to play the game of hide and seek with you. I played that game with the destructive Eritrean muslim elites for more than half of my precious life. Now I am running out of time to save the people that the archaic orgaization that you were a member of and the barbaric EPLF and its offshoot, the PFDJ mafia, have reduced to a mere minority through endless ግፋ and needless wars.

            Frankly, at this advanced age of yours, Eritreans would have expected you to at least have the fear of ኣቦይ-እዝጊ if not the fear of the sinful man.

            For your information, I know the history of the barbaric gedli as much as you do.

            ኤርትራውያን መጉሃይቲ።

          • tes

            Selam Sahay Erican,

            What you are saying is to fascistic. Please co;e with new politics. And do not pretend to care about people. You are more into your bla bla mindset. If you care for justice, take about it. Otherwise we are feedup with your fascistic attack.

            tes

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear tesfa-brhan,

            Just keep drinking. It is not time to go to bed yet. 😊

          • tes

            Selam Sahay Erican,

            Stay around. You will be de-programmed from your Islamophobia. Learn how to respect humanity not based on religion or geographic location but as humanity. Update your politics to sanity of humanity. Nothing will help you to hate Muslims. Fight for all.

            You see, I have defended your friend Ghirmai Yeibio not because I support his political viezs but his rights to express his political opinion and beliefs. May he Rest in Peace now, I believe everyone has a right to express his opinions and beliefs. And if you go after Muslims I will defend their rights to belief on what they belief. Nothing comes from hate.

            tes

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Sahay Erican,

            At long last, I seem to have gotten a messiah! I am elated to read that you are “running out of time to save the people”.!! My goodness, how come that I have not been aware of such a hero emerging who is struggling against time to save our people?.

            Now, since you know my political affiliation and age, I demand you to be courageous and person of integrity to log in by your real name like I do – consider this a challenge (if Sahay Erican is your real name, my apology in advance). Then I will be able to know who you are and celebrate your past resume and knowledge about history of “barbaric gheli”, and learn, as well, how you had “played (your game) with the destructive Eritrean muslim elites”. When you do that, I promise you that I will be a loyal foot soldier when you will lead us to victory against the PFDJ regime.

            Finally, it would foolish on my part to end these remarks without thanking you for implicitly telling me that you really have not run out of time (as you claimed), but in fact run out of ammunition to defend your position on the issue you had commented on. You seem to have tried and found your escape route from civil debate. Wish you happy forward running, sir.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA and Tsehaye,

            Shall we keep the question simple?

            What is the proportion of Muslims and Christians [and traditional religion believers] in Eritrea?

            Is this a:

            i) Known known
            ii) Known unknown
            iii) Unknown unknown?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simon KaleAb

            “What is the proportion of Muslims and Christians [and traditional religion believers] in Eritrea?”

            Since no one seems to volunteer, let me be the Daniel of Awate and throw myself-in in the lion’s den. And here is my take: Many people believe the Muslim/Christian population inside Eritrea is “unknown unknown” but I don’t believe it is. In fact if one is willing to connect few dots and is willing to apply some basic logical deduction, I don’t think figuring out the Eritrean Muslim/Christian percentage inside Eritrea is that difficult to figure out.

            Having said that, let me try to answer your question. Your question has three components to it:

            A. The percentage of “traditional religion believers” inside Eritrea

            B. The percentage of Muslim/Christian population INSIDE Eritrea

            C. The OVERALL percentage of Muslim/Christian population inside and outside Eritrea combined

            1. – In today’s Eritrea, I don’t believe there are significant number of “traditional religion believers” (if any). Almost all Eritreans has embraced either Islam or Christianity as their religion. If ethnic Kunama is what you’ve in mind, the Kunamas are about 2% of the Eritrean population and almost every single one of them has embraced either Islam or Christianity.

            2. – I believe the percentage of Christians (ethnic Tigrignas + other Christians) inside Eritrea is a lot higher than we would want to believe. And this are the reasons:

            (a) Prior to 1967, the Eritrean society was believed to have been a 50/50 Muslim/Christian society. Between 1967 and 1970, close to a million Eritrean Muslims were evicted from their homes and made refugees in the Sudan and in the greater Middle East.

            (b) Between 1967 and 1970, not only the Christian (ethnic Tigrigna) population inside Eritrea enjoyed a normal growth rate, but also thousands and thousands of ethnic Tigreans and Amaras were added/mixed to the Tigrigna population through marriage and work related residence.

            (c) Between 1961 and 1990 (the whole Ghedli years), most of the Ghedli battles were waged in the Eritrea Lowlands – which was a cause for completely emptying the Eritrean Muslim population in the Eritrean Lowlands. Just to tell you how empty Eritrean Lowlands were, when I was Tegadalay, in the late seventies and early eighties, since there were not Muslim youth in the Eritrean Lowlands to recruit, all the forced recruiting was done only In the three Eritrean Kebessas.

            (d) In the mid-eighties, Mr Dawit Weldegergis who was the Eritrean governor then (under Derg), made a survey for his own reasons and asserted on his “Red Tears” book, that the Eritrean Muslim population inside Eritrea to be 15% of the Eritrean population or 350,000 people in number. His survey may not be accurate but it sure does give us an idea, how bad the Eritrean Muslim population was decimated and how radically the Eritrean demography was altered.

            (e) It is a well known fact that, out of the Eritrean Muslim population that were made refugees and exiles during Ghedli years, not too significant number of them have returned back home. Out of the the few that were returned back after Eritrean independence, were forced to go back to Sudan again because the 1998-200 Ethio-Eritrean war was fought on their backyard. Therefore, today, since there wasn’t any significant number of Muslim refugees that returned home, there can’t be 50/50 Muslim Christian ratio or close to it inside Eritrea.

            (f) The emptying of ethnic Tigrignas argument. Yes, ethnic Tigrignas are leaving Eritrea in record numbers like never seen before, yes it is sad, yes it is not sustainable, yes we should do everything in our power to stop this madness…….. But but but the people that are leaving Eritrea today are from all ethnics faiths and regions proportional to their ethnic size. The current exodus of the young is not changing the ethnic/religious demography inside Eritrea.

            (g) The point: it is very possible, the student names and numbers you read, the names and numbers of political/military positions you read…….. is the actual reflection of the actual Eritrean demography inside Eritrea – meaning, the Christian population inside Eritrea is a lot higher than we would want to believe.

            3. – The Muslim/Christian percentage of Eritreans inside and outside Eritrea combined? Nobody would ever know that. One could guess/know about the population ratio (ethnic, faith region) inside Eritrea, but outside Eritrea? It is impossible – some have other nations citizenship, some have mixed kids and mixed marriages, some don’t want come back home by choice, some don’t have the means to come back home…… It is very complicated and very complex “unknown unknown”.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere,

            Only Semere Tesfai could come with such brilliant estimations. Excellent job Semere, the next natural thing would have been to declare no religious movement or anything like that is significant enough to raise our brows. And as some television talking heads state, we can safely say that Eritrea is a Christian country. Good analysis and good justification for any real or perceived imbalance inside Eritrea. Bravo Semere.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

            You can’t tell us

            A. Eritrean Muslims are denied their right to return home by the PFDJ regime

            B. There is 50/50 Muslim Christian population inside Eritrea

            All at the same breath. Now tell me: which one is it?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Semere ,

            Why ? Didn’t you read my poem..on Jebana page…..?

            እስላማይ እየ ይብሎ፡ ይብለኒ ተፈደል-
            ክስታናይ እየ ይብሎ ይብለኒ ተፈደል-
            የሁድ እየ ይብሎ ይብለኒ- ተፈደል-
            ድላይካ ኩን እሞ ተጠርነፍ ተማእከል-
            ክብርታት ሓሊኻ ክብረትካ ተቀበል-
            ሓይልስ እዚ እዩ ነብሰካ ምግዳል-
            ጸሪኻ ምቅርራብ ምስ’ቲ ካልእ ኣካል-
            ንውድቀትካ መሕብኢ ኣብ ክንዲ ምሕካል-
            ጌጋኻ ምሽፋን ገበን እዩ በደል-
            ሃንደበት ኣብ ጉዕዞ ብሓቦ ክንቅጽል-
            ዘይገመትናዮ መሬት ደበኽ ይብል-
            ንኹሉ ዘራእቲ ዝቅበል-
            ለማዒ ዘይቃድር ዝምዕብል::::

            Just read it by opening..

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Kokhobay

            Well come back to the Awate family. I’m glad you’ve recovered well, and thank for the Wonderful poem.

            ኮኾባይ: ዝፈላልን ዘረሓሕቕን የብልናን:: ኩልና: ንሓንቲ ዕላማ (ፍትሕን ማዕርነትን): ንበጃ ሓደ ህዝቢ: ንምክልኻል ሓንቲ ሃገር ኢና ንነብር::

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Semere,
            I do not have a cake, and if I do, shifa yegberelka, you can munch it my dear.

            Never claimed 50/50 or any other ratio, it’s is your imagination, or perception (though both are the same)–I always said that belief is good as a working formula, to avoid gantai-gaantaka, aleka endo!. But why the combative tone when I just congratulated you (and Dawit of the Derg) for your scientific estimations!

            I said Eritrean refugees are denied the right to return to their ancestral lands…”Muslims” is our addition to it, not mine. The fingers speak type what is in the heart, Semere, don’t implicate me in the way you ha;f-baked the cake. But you can still have it, just put candles and sing your comment as lyrics for a background music.

            Please do not type “US” as if you represent a village or a town, you only represent yourself which should be “I”.

            Nice cake day

          • Paulos

            Selam Saleh,

            Sometimes I wonder how many “Groundhog Day” moments Awate has had for the issues [most of the times] are ad-nauseam to say the least where Bad’me, Eritrea’s demography or census among others come to mind. Hope we get introduced to fresh ideas so that we remain enthused.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            Sorry I was not able to respond to your comment earlier. I was busy the whole day attending church services and eating a leftover ኮቾሮ from the former tegadalay SGJ and Semere T.

            ሁለት ግራ እግሮች ግራ የገባቸው
            እሳት አበዙና ቂጣ አረረባቸው
            ያን ያረረ ቂጣ ማን ይቅመስላቸው?
            ጥለውት ዞር አሉ ውሻው በላላቸው::

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Abi,
            Selam,
            Your last sentence should read: ጥለውት ዞር አሉ ቢሰለቻቸው፣
            ሊግባቡት የማይችሉት ምን አስጀመራቸው፣
            አያውቁም ነሮዋል ሆድና ጀርባ መሆናቸው?
            ከይቅርታ ጋር።
            Thanks.

          • Abi

            Hi G Gebru
            I was trying to be politically correct for a change.

            እሳት አቀጣጥለው ያለእውቀታቸው
            ለብልቦ አቃጥሎ አክስሎ ፈጃቸው::
            ምን አሳበዳቸው?

            ይቅርታውን ተቀብለናል
            ልዑል ራሥ አቢ ከሰሜን ጠቅላይ ግዛት

          • G. Gebru

            Hi Abi,
            እሳቱ ለመቀጣጠል በመጠኑም ቢሆን ምክንያት ነበረው፣
            አያያዙ ነው ችግር የፈጠረው፣
            አስታራቂ ጠፍቶ ነገሩ የከረረው፣
            አሁንም ቢሆን ደገኞች እስካሉ፣
            አይቀርም አንተነህ አንተነህ መባባሉ፣
            የፈጠረን ጌታ ይታረቀን ባዕሉ፣
            እነ ጋሼ አቤ ዝምእንዲሉ፣
            ሰላም የውርደልና ባዕሉ።
            ንሎሚ እዚ ይአኽለካ ባዐል አያ Nittric ከይልዐሉ።
            የቐንየለይ ቃንቃ ደባሊቀ ሐደ ኢዩ ኢለእየ።
            Thanks.

          • Haile S.

            Dear Gebru and Abi,

            ምንም ባይተያዩ ፊት ለፊት
            ኣልተራረቁ እንዳየርና መሬት
            ኣንዱ በቅጠል ሌላው ብስር
            ሊመግቡ ለነገው የወይራ ዛፍ ኣገር
            ተሳስረው በጎድን ሆድና ጀርባ
            ይተርታሉ ብዓወተው ስብሰባ.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            You mean to say, the cowboys, you are the Indians moments? So many my friend even though f discount the wanton branding 🙂

            I used to get mad at that, when I was an Internet teenager, now I am astounded observing how people become unlearned the more they grow up, when they are supposed to mellow down. It’s just sick, I mean perpetually feeling like a cowboy with guns and horses that you insinuate an easy chase away of the Indians. In our culture, silence is gold, but some think the gold is rusted cheap metal. That much groundhog says my friend.

            Fresh ideas? You think they are better than empty bravados and feeling superman because you carry B blood type? When they discover a blood type called “humility” or “maturity” or enlightenment. Unless they fond that, you have to learn to live with stale, stinking ideas. Happy May 2017 my friend.

          • Mez

            Dear Semere,

            You forgot to take into account the “SAWA military/ civil service” demographic impact.

            What I am saying is, for years now females from the Muslim religion are mostly relieved/ exempted from the Eritrean military service; this over decades will surely tilt the demography….

            Thanks

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            It is fine you have volunteered to spend time in responding to a question that was addressed to me. Actually the brother who posed the question missed to read the comment I made earlier, and in which I mentioned the issue could only be relevant when there is credible census.

            So, when you and me, and the rest by and large, know that that question has been in vogue whenever some one raises it for one reason or the other, since the emergence of the polity we call our Eritrea, the first and objective point with which a person should start expressing opinion is that there is no appropriately done and officially accredited census. Reading your comments, I was anticipating to come to this point. But I didn’t because there was none, which made me believe that it actually was not relevant to your intention.

            Now, what we had and still have about our population – qua distribution and make up – are arbitrary estimations by powers (including the current regime), and for whatever reasons or purposes that might have been. I tried to make this point clear in my earlier comment I had mentioned and Simon missed to read.

            That is why I deliberately shunned responding to his question. If I did I would have had to engage in enormous guesswork and spinning venture as you have done whose end result does very little to help the reader understand the issue except serving for more confusion, and massaging the egos of some chauvinists that motivate them to raise such inquiries in the first place. For sure, compatriots who fall in this category would celebrate what you have provided, and never would care to stop and ponder on what you told them was product of speculative mind that tallied speculations about an earlier event against another one that happened at one time affecting a third and then an fourth etc. to end up in the situation you concluded is existing or should be existing existing in Eritrea.

            Anyway, after reading your comments the only conclusion I was able to think about was a venture to restate your understanding of the situation in our country in yet another way. The single reason for jumping to respond to the question which, as you said none had wanted to volunteer, could likely have been that the sense the question had purport fitted in the realm of reinforcing your expressed understanding of the status quo in our country, and an opportunity to rationalize the skewed power allocation the sitting dictatorship had imposed.

            To end this brief rejoinder, let say the following:
            Kubur haw Semere, the right thing to do when we happen to be confronted by controversial matters in this precarious times of our young nation, is trying to distinguish between what help us to unite and reinforce bridges that connect us from those that erode them. Spinning issues like religion, language and culture would not do anything good to our current and urgent pursuit to remove the scourge that is ravaging the land and people in Eritrea. I am sure, you and me know how our founding fathers had handled such issues whenever they realized such divisive issue menaced their priorities.

            It is incumbent on us, too, to follow on their footsteps. What we need to do first is win our freedom and country that shall provide us with wide opportunities to establish a nation of peace and rule of law that shall guarantee our citizens their inalienable right to freedom and work under clearly set rules that govern their duties to their state and their rights under it. Then, statistics of identities of whatever nature would not bother us much since they will be handle in their proper contexts under the supreme law of the land.

            Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Tesfai,
            .
            Semere, I am beginning to worry about myself. Your posts are making sense more and more to me lately. Well, let me come in into the lions den and hopefully walk out safely with you.
            .
            It is not difficult to see the claims of 1.5 billion Muslims world wide and 50% of Ethiopians are Muslims on occasions. In the case of the Ethiopia, there was and is an official census that was and is available, but no matter, facts don’t persuade these culprits.
            These same people have no qualms when they boldly brag that 100% of Somalis are Muslim and “99%” of Pakistanis are Muslims. They don’t see the meaning of that.
            .
            If you remember, there is a written record of a prominent Eritrean representative at the U.N in the 1940s who claimed that 75% of Eritreans are Muslims. These were the kind of claims we have to contend with.
            Even though, the 15% you mentioned might be questionable, I have no way to throw in any number. If others have any circumstantial evidence, they can always educate us.
            However, after everything is said and done about the subject, we have to give weight to what Ismail AA said in his comment below. Let us not give support to the Rascals of each side by providing ammunition they need to use it for their evil motives.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kim,
            Please consider why people are interested in population numbers and ratios in the first place. If it if for non political reasons, then it shouldn’t matter provided there is justice and equality. Otherwise, it is a political statement and you shouldn’t be surprised when it is challenged or mocked.

            From my experience, Semere is a majoritarian as his article testifies. First he tries to establish who is the majority and who is the minority. Then he justifies anything he fancies based on that.

            Who cares about Pakistan or China’s majority or minority as far as Ethiopians and Eritreans are concerned? But there, your culprits are world organizations including UN, CIA , etc. but when Somalia is concerned, the conflicts were always tribal and regional therefore religious numbers are irrelevant to the country. In Eritrea and Ethiopia, religion has always been a major player in the politics of the two countries, including Sudan (talking about the region only) that is why it’s politicized. As far as Semere’s numbers are co corned, 15% is just too stingy, what I said was, “Meriqibbet”. 🙂

            We need to remember that in political turmoil, numbers are not that significant, any number can wreak havoc if not handled with care and responsibility. People who make provokative political statements and pretend it’s an academic pronouncement are just dishonest. It also suggest that issues of citizen rights can be resolved by sheer numbers and not by dispensing justice and fair governance.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Kim Hanna

            If you want to get a right answer, ask the right question. Let me explain:

            In the Eritrean Field, the ELF leadership was the first one that decided to run forced recruiting. And that was around March 1978. The reason:

            Then – the fighting was very intense and the casualties were very high – Barentu in Western Eritrea (ELF), Massawa in the Easteren Eritrea (EPLF) – and Adi-Gombello (Asmara Airoprt – Southwest Asmara) ELF, and Sedici (sixteen km mark) Eastern Asmara EPLF. My older brother (RIP) was in the trenches of Adi-Gombello and I was in the trenches of Barentu.

            After liberating Tesseney (May 1977), Aqurdet (August 1977), on 31 December 1977, the liberation of Barentu was started. In mid February 1978, my Haili (Company) was left with only 37 men (normally 80-120 men). In mid May 1978, two battalions from our front-line left their positions due to internal dispute and they were at loggerhead with the top front-line commanders. The Ethiopian intelligence smelled the internal squabble and made a huge offensive to take our positions.

            The day the Ethiopian army made a huge offensive was on 22 May 1978. With the absence of two battalions in our front-line, the fire inferno we were subjected to was as hot as hell. Around 11:00 am, the second Haili of our battalion was completely wiped-out, nine people survived from our first Haili, and from my Haili six of us survived. That night (after we prevailed) our whole battalion (fourteen of us) slept on one hilltop. That kind of casualties and shortage of volunteer recruits, was the reason that forced ELF leaders to adapt forced recruiting (ግፋ/ኣፈሳ) policy.

            1. – Now ask the question: in that critical time, why did ELF run forced recruiting ONLY on the three Eritrean Kebessas – in 1978, in 1979, and in 1980?

            2. – If we believe 2/3 (anecdotal) of the ugly thirty year-Ghedli battles were fought in the Eritrean Lowlands, how hard is it to fathom its impact on the local population?

            3. – If we believe, in the thirty year Ghedli-war, over a million Eritrean Muslims has been driven out from Eritrea, and if we believe the PFDJ regime has denied Muslim Eritreans to return home, then how could there possibly be a 50/50 (or close to it) Muslim/Christian population inside Eritrea?

            That is were the argument of an existence of (a) Muslim majority inside Eritrea (b) a 50/50 Muslim/Christian population inside Eritrea falls apart.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Semere Tesfai,

            It has become a kind of riddle for me why you insist on harping on the issue of population statistics be it inside or outside the country. What is the relevance of the issue at this time when the country is in unacknowledged turmoil that is depleting of its people? Do we have the luxury in engaging in speculative venture when the nation is losing its young? Those youth would not be amused by, or relish and admire such tasteless endeavors.
            I bet you understand better the issue of population distribution and categorization in governance systems of nation-states are planning and development oriented. Thus, who insist on harping on faith and race based segmentation of populations suffer from sickness of social regression.

            For me the issue of population counts and distributions in our country fall under the post constitutional system of governance responsibilities since the current regime had refused to hold census for reasons you and me understand, and the reader could easily surmise from you insistent engagement in speculative argumentation about the issue whenever it casually pops up. It does not need much toil to understand that the issue would only be considered in post regime conditions where there will be time for discharging of postponed national matters such constitution; government and political social stability that will allow the Eritrean people regain their freedom. Thus, the issue of census concerns the Eritrean people as whole without dividing them into those inside or outside. And this fulfilment of the national obligation would not be for satisfying sick egos of sectarian and race bigots but for meaningful national plan for developing the country within the rules and directives of national constitution that shall unite the people on principles of rights and duties of the citizen regardless what his race and faith might be. Thus, I would humbly suggest that the enlightened Eritreans like yourself desist joining the bandwagon of some zealots who find satisfaction in engaging in useless guesswork on population numbers.

            Regards

          • MS

            Ahlen IsmailAA
            I think brother (al-akh) Semere T needs to raise to his level. He knows better than most of us that Eritrea, or any nation for that matter is bigger than the sum of its parts. We are more than numbers. Ali Salim had long slipped onto the dark edges, Semere Tesfai, please, reclaim your composure. I don’t think you expect Eritrean politics played along religious and ethnic lines. If that was the inevitable eventuality many of us would have washed our hands from the thing called Eritrea and have retired to some other polity. Remember: there is only bad policy and not bad people. You should not feel defensive of PFDJ to the level trying to rationalize its devastating social and political policies. We are more than numbers, we are people of diversified social setting. And that is a blessing if we stop thinking in a mechanical sense such as crunching numbers.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen ustaz Mahmoud,
            You are right. We are as Eritreans are indeed more than mere numbers or percentages. It worries me seeing compatriots of Semere Tesfais’ stature and status stumbling towards the trap some bigots laydown and harping on an issue that belongs to future governance and development planning rather than race and faith based social and cultural competition. I wonder such matters were on the mind of Semere when he was on verge of sacrificing his life along other fighters of various affiliations during the battles of Barentu.

          • iSem

            Hi Mahmuday:
            Semere’ writing is written on the wall, from the day he started to write it was all along the lines of the two Rs (Religion and Religion). So I am not shocked, but I am shocked that you were shocked.
            Almost every life we lost in the civil war was not ideological (read the programs of the ELF and EPLF), it was because of the two Rs, every splintering we suffered and even every “unity” we “suffered” in ghedli is based on the two Rs, the second congress of EPLF comes to mind. Now I know you disagree with me, and rightly so because thousands like you were not fighting based on the two Rs. But if you study the landscape like I did by connecting the dots during my teenage years, I can reach to the conclusion above.
            Also Semere Tesfay and his understanding and writing is the very reason we have PFDJ, it was his likes who defended EPLF, teh budding PFDJ when it was supposed to be nipped in the bud because the narrow religious and regional alliances were obvious to many in Semere’s defunct organization. The more the hindsight becomes clear and precise as it always is u can see that Semere’s writing is not new, it was just curated and was released when many acquired the test for it

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Sem,

            Indeed, there was no ideological difference as my colleague Dr. Eyob G/Luel on the other political side (EPLF) had confirmed, to what l found and supported his argument from the ELF side, in 1976. The problem was the idea of “group thinking” and “group politicking” behind the two Rs (religion and region) as instrument of division and power grabbing.

            I remember a friend of mine and a schoolmate, who went to Moscow to continue his education, when chose to join the armed struggle, asked me in his letter as to why the two front could not make a “coalition of leadership” to expedite the liberation of Eritrea, if there is no basic ideological difference. I told him that fighting each other to dominate the field so as to dominate the political power in the long run after independence. At the end of the day it happened and worse than that, the cruelty of their politics went beyond to suffocate the entire Eritrean population. No one expect the nascent nation will fall in to such abysses under the current regime.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Avoid debating with those who brings undocumented and un scientific statistics based on their imaginations. Also avoid with those who makes religious accusations and religious politics. They are not worthy of your time.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Sahay Erican

            Amanuel Hidrat

            Someone once said, “When people are angry at you, it is not that bad. But when people start to laugh at you, you have a serious problem.”

            ኣይተ ሕድራት: ንለባም ኣምተሉ፡ ንዓሻ ድማ ደርጉሓሉ እዩሞ እስከ ቁሩብ ተተሰቆረካ ክንድርጉሓልካ:: It has been quite some time since Eritreans started to laugh at you. መቁዋጽርቲ::

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tsehaye,

            Nice to read you again, you have not changed since the days of dehai. I wish I could freeze myself to a time twenty years ago. How you do it is amazing. I remember you appeared once briefly by then you disappeared before I could express my welcome to you. Welcome.

          • Kebessa

            Hello Saleh,
            I myself have had quite a few exchanges with Tsehaye at Asmarino.com not too long ago. He was the least hostile to me. But enough about me. What you are saying is interesting. I wanna follow this exchange if it continues😀

          • Sahay Erican

            Hi Mr. Gadi,

            I will make this conversation a little nicer hoping that you would not use your veto power. To address your curiosity, integrity and conviction come to my mind. If truth be told though, the only person who has been frozen since the times of the barbaric gedli is you. The changes I have gone through are incredible although you have not noticed them because you have been concentrating solely on your political career that has contributed to the destruction of the opposition movement to some degree. For your information, I am no more an extreme nationalist, but a realist. My heroes now include incredible Eritreans like YG, and not the barbaric gedli. I have to confess that the only thing that has not changed about me is my demonstrated resolve to fighting the fanatical Eritrean Islamists and elites. That resolve goes way back to the era of my high school.

            I heard your bio-pump failed last time. Too much pumping the slurry in the system, I guess:) I hope it is doing fine now. The last time you and I had a little chitchat, you wished I were born dead. Don’t worry. The hatred is mutual, and it won’t get healed until divine interferes. Please keep healthy.

          • iSem

            Hi Tsehaye:
            Very cruel and would not have imagined you will go this low in making fun of the health issues of a fellow human and a fellow ELFites, Gadi
            Well, let me acknowledge that ELF had issues, sectarian issues, let make that clear, but ELF also liberated people like you and Merhawi,( what was his real name that reverend Demtros gave him anyways?), if it was not for the “Islamist” ELF we know where you would be by now. So give credit when credit is due, ELF liberated you from a burden and I blame ELF for liberating you from that burden to be able to use English prose to laugh at the health of Saleh Gadi, who is fighting to liberate your from a different burden

          • Saleh Johar

            iSem,

            You will get tired my friend, they can’t see anything beyond “Saleh=Muslim.” What else can they do but repeat that ad-nauseam. And I am so nice not to wish the fall in the hands of the real ones like ISIS to appreciate the rest. How can you help someone who admits he has been a bigot since high school?

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh,
            “… someone who admits he has been a bigot since high school?”. This had amazed me enormously. I regretted the minutes I wasted to engage him until Aman warned me.
            Regards

          • Sahay Erican

            Semere,

            I don’t you deserve my time. You are doing perfectly fine:)

            ክንዲ ሕጻብ እግሪ መርሃዊ ዘይትበቅዕሲ ንመርሃዊ ተናእስ:: ሓርኢ-እኽሊ::

          • iSem

            Hi Tsehaye:
            Really? I am impressed that you defend Merhawi,u really have a class, but I know he will sell u for a river and he would choose me instead of u if given the choice, am sure of that for reasons you and I know, to give u a hint, it is all for ur back stabbing

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank Tsehaye,

            True to nature, you couldn’t be any nicer and I admire your ability of trying to stay true to your nature.
            I just expressed my happiness that you are still kicking the air, or is it the windmill! I am glad you are doing fine but me wishing you were born dead! I do not remember saying that to you, but if I did, it must have been a reply to something more nicer from you. Quoting two words without providing context is very honest, some would say. And that from 20 years ago? What a memory, what a heart that doesn’t keep any grudge. You just proved it.

            The only think I remember from those days two decades ago is that someone was thinking of suing me and three others for causing him emotional stress by criticizing kbur Brezidenti, Isaias. I just wish he has learned to live with the stress.

            My heart? Just had a check up last week, the doctor said it has recovered to 96%-He even suggested to me to contact any of the Sinai organ traffickers–you wouldn’t know any who retails body parts, would you? But with 96%, I think it is not necessary and as an old woman I know would say, “Hassid zelil l’gba’e.”

            On the veto power! Now be honest, when was the last time I used it, if ever? Don’t give credit where it is due, but at least don’t be a false witness for the opposite. And I am working for a political career! What a revelation, thank you for telling me that, I never knew there is a career to be made out of reading your comments. That could be the lesson for today.

            Cheers.

          • Sahay Erican

            Hi Mr. Gadi,

            The person who tried to sue you for criticizing PIA is now a member of the cult that you have built over the years, and his mame is “iSem”:)

            I am glad your heart has almost recovered.

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh!
            Dear Tsehaye, if iSem is my recruit, my political career is not bad. Not bad at all. But you know as I do it is someone you know.

            Until I comment back a year from now , farewell

          • Sahay Erican

            Mr. Gadi,

            Good enough. I was just passing by the website too until something caught my eyes. So long.

          • MS

            Hello Saleh
            I could only hope to develop the layered thick skin you have developed through the years. How disciplined and focused!! Well, my friend, a very patient man, used to say “sometimes even angels lose it [patience]”….There are serious debaters, and there are seriously filthy-mouthing individuals. I think you need to heed Emma’s advice on the later ones; they are not here for serious debates. They are the downers who have not finished licking their wounds; and the wounds will get even worth when they see Eritreans converse with decency. For now, you have won the battle.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Mahmouday,
            The skin just grows thicker. What can I do. But I think you and Emma are right. Thank you though.

            On the downers, here is an article I wrote in such a moment. Hope you enjoy it:
            http://awate.com/from-the-archives-avoid-the-downers/

          • Nitricc

            Hi Sahay Erican; you said ” መቁዋጽርቲ” What does it mean? I am trying to figured it out but I am unable and frustrated.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam sara,

            Can you provide a credible reference?

          • sara

            selam simon
            that comment was meant exclusive to the horizons & horizons in this forum…. not to those of us who did join in one of the Zura n’ Hagerka missions in the recent past when friends of horizon showed up un invited.

          • Selam sara,

            Learn to accept your mistakes. There is no shame in that.

          • sara

            selam Horizon,
            what mistake?

          • Kebessa

            sara,
            What do you mean what mistake? You said lowland is 77% of Eritrea’s peple and land. Commenters are insulting eachother because of your lie.Take responsibility instead of playing games.

          • sara

            ya kebessa,
            how do you know the “mistake” horizon mentioned is about that? the lie and playing games thing i will past it to keep the thread civil .

          • Selam sara,

            This is what I said “….we tend to forget the other half of eritrea, which is the muslim lowland eritreans.” and
            this is what you said “Dont bet on other half of the past is no more. The lawland of eritrea is 77% of the people and land.”.
            You either have to leave it there and let everybody draw their own conclusion, or explain more if you think that you have been misunderstood.
            I hope we are not playing hide and seek. This is my last response on this topic. Thank you.

          • Abi

            Hi sariti
            That is not a supporting reference.
            Try again.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam sara,

            “did joined”, “un invited”?

            None of the above!

          • sara

            selam Simon,
            oh..both wrong? OK, i promise you i will do better inshaalah…inshaalah after i visit Britania next year and meet the Queen.

          • Abi

            Hi sariti
            I can find you a better, smarter, sharp shooter Queen with no travel expenses.
            Meet Queen Hayat of AbiSinia.
            You welcome

          • Abi

            Hi sariti
            You just legitimize the Agazian Movement. They have to save themselves by all means possible. They just can’t watch themselves being extinct.
            You are bold in your claim. The Agazians deserve a bold movement to save them from becoming history.

          • sara

            dear abi,
            we are already a member of the Arab league, just visit our embassy in Cairo , and on process to be a member of OIC.
            how about that? Abi…
            Agazians ? what ? is this name some thing to do with those
            Gen- nitric told us about are busy shooting innocent people in Ethiopia..
            Abi- sorry Ras Abi,one of the things you and i agree is about building great wall in Africa and am great-full for that..

          • Abi

            Hi sariti
            Call me after your morning coffee.
            I heard IA is serving coffee at the Arab league not a member. I don’t know what OIC is? Is it Office of International Criminals?
            Anyway, you helped me to understand Agazian movement a little better.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam sara, Eritrea member of Arab league? This is the closest Eritrea has come to the Arab league as far as I can find out, “In January 2003 Eritrea joined the Arab League as an observer.”

        • Zara Yaqob

          Hey Sara

          Do you think emiye Ethiopia is like a buna bett that you can easily come and go as you please ? ቡና ቤትም እንደው የራሱ ህግ እና ደንቦች አሉት:: ለነገሩ አንቺ ምን አጠፋሽ የኔ ቀበጥ እኛ እንደዛ ባናሞላቅቃችሁ

          መልካም ቀን እህቴ

          • Abi

            Hi Zara Yaqob
            ” በፋሲካ የተዳረች ሁሌ ፋሲካ ይመስላታል”
            ደጉ ዘመን ማለፉን ማን ይንገርልን?

          • sara

            hello Yaqob
            its me sara… Abi and I on behalf of out two countries have agreed to build a wall ( with a large window)and live happily after as good neighbors.

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Sara,

            I like the idea of a wall. Not sure about the french window but if the lock and handle is on Ethiopia side then Im perfectly fine with it. Cheers.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Saba,

          Do you get it now, and the response from the Ethiopian side.

          ከይተዓደመ ዝመጸስ ከይጸገበ ወጸ፡፡

          Listen if you miss Ethiopia so much, I think you can find a smart way for you to move there.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Hawuna Berhe
            The smartest way to move to Ethiopia is first to move to Assab. In other words meet Ethiopia at Assab.
            Problem solved.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Yihunilh 🙂

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aby; the smartest thing to do for your country is, first to feed her people, make peace with her neighbors by accepting the international agreement she have signed and finally save her citizens from getting buried by a pile of trash alive then and then that will suffice. you can’t even defeat few muslims in a pick up truck, like Alshebab let alone to take Assab. You people are all confused.

          • Abi

            Hi General
            I agree with you completely. First and foremost we have to feed ourselves before we waste our scarce resources on others who would turn around and call us beggars and backwards.
            Second, we have to normalize relations between the two countries and send back ALL Eritreans to their country.
            Third, after the demarcation of the border and returned badime to Eritrea, we will build , with your expense, the tallest and longest wall.
            Final and binding solution!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abi, please let me know if i have crossed the line because i will never do that, but incase if i have crossed it, please forgive me and disregard my comment. if i am understanding your story, you are married to an Eritrean woman and you have to half Eritrean and half Ethiopian children. if so, how is it you are so hateful of Eritrea and anything to do with Eritrea? at the end of the day, Eritrea represents your beloved children. Slice it all you want but your beloved wife and beloved children are part of Eritrea. if so, why so much hate for Eritrea? again if i crossed the line my apology, i just want to understand your stand.

          • Abi

            Hi General Nitricc
            Don’t you think you are being Hipocrite when you talk about love and hate?
            Aren’t you the one who laughed when hundreds of Eritreans drowned in the Mediterranean Sea? Where is your love to your people before you ask others? How about you visit your loved country instead of talking about Ethiopians who lost their lives under a pile of trash?
            You are still mocking the Ethiopian borne Girmai Y , who selflessly helped Eritreans to resettle in Canada. That shows your ultimate hate for Eritreans. You are rather protecting the gedli madness which brought the unfortunate situation to your people.
            You are only making noises.

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Nitricc,
            Delusion is the pot calling the kettle black. If your dear leader allowed foreign journalists so much suffering would be exposed. Its unfortunate we hear about the gulag state only from those who manage to escape through the border. Oh well, who am i to burst your bubble. Enjoy the rosy news at tesfanews from the comfort of your western domicile. Cheers.

        • Brhan

          Dear Saba,
          Referendum is about people not about countries? Say Eritrean with their diverse nationalities and the same to Ethiopians. There are grievances in both people to live in one nation let alone to form union with another nation.

      • MS

        Ahlan Saleh
        In my humble opinion, you hit the steps that could lead into answering that question. First comes the constitution, in the process, if the process is really representative, similar questions will present themselves. And the constitution will be written making Eritrean tradition and history as a major reference, while at the same time becoming open to future questions and problems. A constitution by its nature is not only a social contract addressing only present challenges but is at the same time a forward-looking document. The second part is the part pertaining to the laws of party formation. Without those documents, one can’t answer the question on a yes/no basis.
        However, I anticipate that they will have a freedom of speech to influence politicians and the public.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi Saba,

      Instead of beating around the bush, why don’t you come out and state your opinion about what the role of the Neo-Andnetawian, and not merely “Andnetwayan”, should be “In a democratic and free Eritrea”. You are not alone these days masticating ‘the political gum’ of “Andnetism” as some have made it plain their preference of seeing Eritrea united with Ethiopia, while others are covertly testing the waters of “Andnetism”, and still some would love to be with Ethiopia because of their blind hatred of PFDJ.

      • Saba

        Dear ‘Gheteb,
        I am to the opinion that people can move freely between Eritrea and Ethiopia as we had pre-1998 but no andnet. Why do you think the opposition are “permissive” when it comes to Andnetawian?

        • Nitricc

          Saba, wishful thinking. we got our country they got theirs. there is no free border or any kind of that nature, take that to the bank. let them do their thing and we will do ours. stop this BS free border movement thing, it is not going to happen.

    • tes

      Selam Saba,

      This is my proposal after the fall of PFDJ regime.

      1. Free Trade
      2. Free movement of people
      3. Eritrea and Ethiopia to have agreement on Port open use and Eritrea to be paid based on commission of goods and services used by Ethiopia. I will allow Ethiopia to build a new port that serves her with pre-conditioned autonomy and the security of trade will be fully controlled by Eritrea.
      4. Payment will be done on a common currency that might serve the entire region, such us IGAD, or African Union. I am in favor of Pan Africanism and hence if Africa succeeded to have a common currency, Ethiopia will pay for its port use by that currency.
      5. Ethiopia will be allowed to import whatever goods needed for its trade activities.

      tes

      • mt girm

        Selam Tes,
        Are you suggesting that IGAD members relinquish their currencies and adapt a common currency to accommodate Eritrea?

        • tes

          Selam mt girm,

          I think Eritrea is IGAD member. So far IGAD has no common currency. To have a common currency is an agreement and no country is forced to adopt.

          tes

          • mt girm

            Selam Tes,
            If we make agreements that one can unilaterally withdraw in the future for some reason, then we will find ourselves in the same mess. I suggest service for service (port use for electricity) or Barter trade which is something that has been done between Sudan and ethiopia. This way both countries can save their hard currencies that they don’t have.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello mt girm and Prof. tes,

            Currency will not be a problem. The major “import/export” which is very limited, trade can be handle for most part as mt grim suggested, but the most important are the small traders who do business back and forth between the two. If our governments allow the people to use their wits to deal with currency issue they will find a way.

            For example, there are several thousands of such traders between Sudan and Ethiopia, from Asosa to Humera, who trade in both countries daily and the way they do that is by exchanging their currencies at the border areas and other towns in the interior every time they travel in and out.

            For everyone who needs Sudanese Pound there is one who will need Ethiopian Birr. That part of the market is self regulating and adjusting almost daily, and no one seems to have any problem with that. In fact, so much so even in the interior towns many traders and shopkeepers do accept the other country’s currency because they know full well that they will have no problem exchanging it later. This is done completely outside the governments control, and it works perfectly.

            I mean, people in the past made it exchanging goods and services with a slab of salt bricks (amolle chew) for god’s sake.

          • mt girm

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            Currency is the most critical issue and something that will determine future relationships between the two nations. At one point the sudanese Gov. and the Ethiopian Gov were engaged in the Barter system due to one of them being sanctioned. It can be done at a government level. What makes the Ethiopian and Eritrean Border trade issue different from Sundanese–Ethiopian trade is, Ethiopians and Eritreans live and work in one another’s country freely. They are not simply pushing goods in the sudan–Ethiopia case. That means they can purchase foreign currency on the black market and legally bid and obtain it from banks in the country that they reside. So currency and the future status of the two people is joined at the hip.

          • tes

            Selam mt girm,

            Currency can not be a critical issue for wise governments. Politics will be. I hope our future politics to be free of our hate based politics.

            tes

          • mt girm

            Selam Tes,
            The ‘Etiea’ nation is created on this historic day! Are you an Etiean!!

          • tes

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            I am 100% in agreement with you. Trade between African people is deep rooted. It has its own regulation – self regulated. Trade bteween people is in fact more advanced than any government in the horn of Africa can think.

            As I shared my journey to Assab, it is people to people trade. And it goes well. Currency has never being a barrier in trade but policies and politics. And all these is because of heavy handed government.

            I am for small government that has minimum regulations. And my dream is to see this between Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, Djibouti, Yemen, Somali and all other countries. People should have full freedom and governments shoudl facilitate this to happen.

            I grew up selling agricultural products. Long before PFDJ interferred in the business(it is shame to see government selling 1, 2, 3 kg of tomatoes, potatoes, onions), agricultural goods were in plenty and all over the market. but then, everything changed. And this is within some few years – 2 to 3 years.

            tes

      • Berhe Y

        Dear tes,O

        I think your proposal is good but it’s too early to go into detail now. I think Eritrea should follow the international accepted norms and procedures. For example, the same model Ethiopia has with Djibouti, that would be a start.

        Only thing Eritrea to offer is to provide competitive and beneficial services to Ethiopia so that they chose Eritrea over Djibouti (to some of their goods) on the norther side because it makes economic sense.

        The free trade and free movement of people needs to be part of a bigger IGAD plans and it should be used as a starting point.

        Let the Ethiopian business plan to export goods to Eritrea because to benefit them. We do not want an Eritrean business people going to Ethiopia and export goods to Eritrea. If I am not mistaken that’s the thing the Ethiopian people see as negative trade deal (Eritreans benefiting, stealing from Ethiopia etc.) We are not paying our future and that of our country to benefit few rich business people.

        But I can tell you, we will be more than happy to import electric from Ethiopia to light up the western Eritrea. It’s pure economic sense.

        Berhe

        • Mez

          Dear Berhe,
          I just want to add one more point, social interaction and unlimited free people movement shall be the very first part of any future deal.

          Any deal shall be all about people’s humble and peaceful life.
          Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            I think a time out and from each other without having constant conflict either physically and mentally is important. let it be like all other Ethiopian neighbors, including the movement of people…

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Hi Berhe, your idea is what people call a Zero Sum game.

            I hope you understand it by now that both people areally on equal legal footage as far as memory can go back; and we have TWO independent countries since 1991.

            Question: why you hold-back freedom of people for no real reason? Your idea would robe the opportunity of hundred thousands of peoples from dicovering opportunities in their life. Further, it denies the two countries from close socioeconomic integration for no benefiting reason.
            Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mez,

            I think it would help, if you don’t mind sharing if you are Ethiopian / Eritrean.

            I am not suggesting that at all. I always said there is a lot more to gain if both countries and people work together rather than against each other. From Eritrean point of view, there is nothing that I wish.

            But it takes two to tango…and I think Ethiopians needs to equally wanted it for it to work.

            That’s all what I am saying..if they don’t want it…then we should just move on and let our people focus on what they can do with the choice they have.

            May be I have been skeptical but I haven’t seen it from Ethiopian side that they wanted (opened) to have the integration / co-operations the people need.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,

            You have my testimony that you have been very moderate and forward looking sinceI have known you. But I have to say this to you and others, and it is my observation that is confirmed to me every day.

            We tend to consider the views of some disgruntled, prejudiced, and disrespectful character as a measure of what is happening in Eritrea or Ethiopia (in other places also for that matter). I take solace in knowing that what you read are just personal opinions that we express, though some of us have the illusion that is is representative of our country of origin.

            I have always believed that there will always be the :”Qet Bahrachin” crowd in the Dispora (bzeben wube ze tsememe… sort of thing) That is why one day someone declares that we have forgotten about Eritrea, the next day it is all threats and expressing of aggression on a sovereign nation. Yet, they think it is natural to make such threats–Trump disciples!.

            We do not have to be swayed from the principle of coexistence, cooperation and mutually respectful neighborly relations–for the sake of it, not to appease a few who will never be satisfied unless you bow under their feet. We just have to be forwad looking and work for peace. But beware, never even think that such screamers amount to anything in either Ethiopia or Eritrea. And if God loves us, he will give me a few square miles of the Nevada Desert. Then I will invite our violent extremists and their Ethiopian equivalent to sort it out in the desert, and hopefully annihilate each other, away from the lives of the poor citizens of the region. Then they can display their bravado alone, as loudly as they can.

          • tes

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            I endorse your testimony. Berhe Y is very moderate and forward looking. I always read his lines and I tend to say something and then retrieve my thoughts. I want to discuss but then I found that he discussed it already.

            Those die-hard PFDJites may perceive him as if he is in favour of Ethiopia but he is not. His base is always Eritrea and then approach the relationship between the two countries as a vital one for future development and peaceful existence.

            Thank you for your keen observation.

            tes

          • Mez

            Hi Berhe, I strongly believe it is irrelevant if I am from north or south of the Mereb to discuss such basic things; if I had no interest or stake, I shouldn’t be here talking to you.

            Further, I have the impression that the opposition needs at least a decade or so to fully embrace this issue as “very relevant”; unless otherwise the Eritrean government come up with a more aggressive and dynamic declaration on the two countries relationship–however contradictory that may look like.

            Thanks

        • tes

          Selam Berhe Y,

          Nothing is too early. What we need is we Eritreans to abandon our populism and ulta-nationalistic sentiments and embrace Liberal Democracy. Politics that embraces Liberal Democracy has the following advantage:

          1. Respect Human Rights
          2. Free Movement of people
          3.. Open Market and Free Trade
          4. Freedom of Press
          5. Freedom of speech
          6. Transparency
          7. Rule of Law
          8. Universal Suffrage.

          If we see closely follow the opposition camp none of these are practiced at a level of political philosophy but as default search of solutions for the miser we live in.

          Well, as I am developing liberal democracy to be my political tool, what I proposed is in line to my conviction of this politics.

          More insights

          liberal democracy gives freedom to organize in what ever they want and there is no qualm with it. Liberal Democracy gives more freedom of speech. it respects human rights. In adition transparency is highly experienced.

          Liberal Democracy includes Rule of Law in its core value. And this Rule of Law makes everybody accountable for what he/she does. But this rule of law does not block people from excercing their God given freedom.

          Another good thing about liberal democracy is that religion flaourishes as the wish of the practitioners. And diversity is highly accomodated.

          It is more human centric than state centric.

          I hope you will join me in this political adventure. So much we have said about PFDJ and its ideology. Now, it is time to move on on our own political ideology. PFDJ, as you said is gone ideologically. And we need to have our own.

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            What makes you so awaken? So far So good,,

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Lucky to have you. Yah, thanks to Donald Trump of USA and Marine Le Pen of France I am more than ever to know why we are not able to come with a political philosophy that bring s a real change.

            On my part I am trying to consolidate my thoughts.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes, you are the enemy of human decency. you are too bipolare, erratic and too unpredictable to formulate and political standing. I bet you you cried for hours when your hero, Addis born and raised anti Eritrean independence activists passed away. What a loser. I know, you have fooled who are ready to be fooled by your fake story but not me. I know your deception skills, i do.

          • tes

            Selam Nitricc,

            Very expected. I am a liberal democrat and I am against Ultra-Nationalists – aka racists.

            By the way, what is going on in Holland? The racist face of PFDJ is exposed. YPFDJites girls are forbidden to marry from any other country except YPFDJ boys. Have you visited assenna these days?

            Oh yes I am in deep sorrow for the passing of our Hero Ghirmay Yeibio. His works will be remembered for ever.

            By the way, whether one is born in Addis or Asmara every human being is precious.

            Cool down Nitricc. I know how to punch you hard man.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Professor Tes
            I’m kind of confused here. You said, ” you are developing liberal democracy to be my political tool …” and went on to tell us your proposals. Are you adopting Liberal Democracy or are you just forming a new one?
            I think I’ve heard the concept somewhere before.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            This what I wrote first:

            Nothing is too early. What we need is we Eritreans to abandon our populism and ulta-nationalistic sentiments and embrace Liberal Democracy.

            I think it will answer your question. Please don’t jump. Are you OK with your eyeglasses?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Professor Tes
            Sorry Wedey. I blame it on my eyeglasses.
            This is what you wrote in relation to liberal democracy
            “Well, as I am developing liberal democracy to be my political tool, what I proposed is in line to my conviction of this politics.”
            Here you are saying that you are developing a liberal democracy concept.
            What am I missing?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Lij Abi,
            Minew getayie. This is not like you. Nitpicking. It is obvious he didn’t mean he was developing the concept.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi & Tesfat,

            You don’t need to develope “liberal democracy”. It is already there as an Ideological concept and nations are practicing it. You just need to embrace it.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            Tes is developing a Liberal Democracy a la Macron :).
            Tes,
            How is it going there? Could we have imagined a possible french president saying the Colonization of Algeria was a crime againt humanity? I am watching his today’s debate with Le Pen.
            Cheers

          • Abi

            Hi Gashe Haile & Ato Amanuel
            You are distracting Descartes from his philosophical excursion.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Abi,
            All qualities he exhibited in this forum considered, he is not far from being a Tescartes.

          • tes

            Selam Haile S.,

            After getting enough lessons from USA politics I shifted to France. From a distance I am also following UK politics. I’m influenced by UK Liberal Democrats Party politics and now Macron. I joined Macron in his campaign done recently in Paris in Bercy. We were 20,000. I attended his campaign speech. He is great, energetic and visionary. Despite French complex nature of politics, he is coming with a victory on his vision. I hope he will be an elected president. I am for Macron on many aspects.

            tes

          • Haile S.

            Hi Tes,
            I agree with you on French politics. We are on the same wavelength. What you cited of Marine Le Pen “….investing on primary school in Africa” reminds me of the Italian colonial policy in Eritrea. Those who look African through those lenses reflect their own limited view and thought.As an illustration of that I invite you to read Roland Barthes, a well known philosopher, linguist and social critic, and particularly his book “Mythology” and in that book “Bichon chez les negres”. Now the debate just started. We will talk later.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Tes,
            Just to give you feedback on the debate (you likely heard too): Nothing of interest to this forum, the few international issues brought up turned quickly to accusations and counter accusations trying to score points. As you know, opinion polls are favoring Macron, As per some French journalists, even Tony Blair is hopeful and sees a light at the end of the franco-britanic tunnel and considering running again (in case of Macrons victory) to push strongly to close the Brexit-door. However, the past full year has been a year of surprises.

          • Selam Haile S.,

            Europeans are extremely angry with the establishment, but this does not mean that they are ready to cross the rubicon, as we saw in the last elections in holland. Forget about eastern europeans, who were under communist dictatorship until about 25 yrs ago, where most of today’s leaders were part of the old communist system, and democracy for them is a banner to join the eu for economical benefits, and not because they are committed to it.
            Western europe has still vivid memory of the atrocities of fascism and nazim and they have an entrenched strong democratic values, and they are not ready to repeat fascism and nazism, simply because they have become islamophobic and refugee-phobic.
            Therefore, I believe that the french people (a revolutionary people whose history is tied to justice, equality and brotherhood) are going to vote for the far right fascists, however disappointed they may be with the establishment.
            As much as Britain is concerned, she has always been with one leg in the eu, and she always liked to find herself wherever the usa might be. In addition, the usa was a fake democracy, where white supremacism had always been the norm since its inception, and no wonder they crossed the bridge easily to the other side (to the far right) with the pied piper, Trump.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Horizon,
            Great point. I agree with you, the French or the Europeans will not give up easily to extremism and surrender their ideals. The problem is that the right and left extremes are constantly enlarging their base and coming into convergence on certain analysis and on their targets (the classical right, left and centrist parties). Macron has come out saying he is different than these establishements, thus raising the interest on him as well as expectations. If he wins, he is doomed to succeed by at least satisfying some of the expectations. Otherwise …

          • Abraham H.

            Selam tes, do you have the right to vote? How is it in France, are those without French citizenship elegible to vote in the National elections?

        • Zara Yaqob

          Hi Berhe,

          You hit it on the nail about Eritreans exporting goods and capital when both wenbedewoch were in good terms. Thank you for the honesty. Others forget to consider that painful memory in Ethiopians conscience when going on about their pipe dream of open borders and free market. የወጋ ቢረሳ የተወጋ አይረሳም:: In anycase, your approach is laudable. Cheers.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Zara,

            If you name the liberation fronts as Wenbedewoch, what are your cold blood killer past rulers to be called?

            Do you think people have forgotten what you have done?

            Why don’t you go and hug cowardly runner Menghistu in Zimbabwe?

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Simon,

            Liberation fronts alkegn ? BesaaaaQ! Liberation fighting በነ ቼኩቬራ ሆቺሚኒ አበቃ:: በል ሰው እንዳይሰማህ እንዲህ ስትጃጃል::

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam tes,
        .
        We have to deal with realty instead of wishful thinking. Mekele and Gonder (The North) is going to be connected by an Electrified rail line to Djibouti.
        .
        It is a huge long term investment Ethiopia made. It is huge by any standard. This investment is supposed to be paid for by years of cheap transportation of goods and people.
        Why go back to the old ways at great cost and risk to Ethiopia?
        .
        As to the “free trade” I will wait till both sides accept each other as foreigners. As foreigners, we will use normal business transactions. We should use visas for movement of people in each other country.
        The Pan Africanism slogan, at this point, sounds insult to intelligence.
        .
        At this point in time Ethiopia is in a better shape than Eritrea. However, both countries face existential threats that need to be addressed properly. We have to solve our own individual country contradictions first. Let us not import and add unnecessary problems that can only exasperate the current ones.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • tes

          Selam Kim Hanna,

          I’m dealing with reality and a must to do. And whatever project Ethiopia develops is a grace for Eritrea.

          tes

      • Saba

        Hi Tes,
        That sounds good but first let’s be good neighbors. And whatever we decide, it should be written in laws. in the 1991-1998 period We did not have laws governing the type of relationship, it was based on the “friendship” of Isayas and Meles.

        • tes

          Selam Saba,

          Friendship leads to every good deeds. Let’s re-build these friendships and at the sametime have rules to abide with. That is what Biteweded Abraha is fighting for in his 26 years prison.

          Friendship + Rules = Harmony and Peace

          tes

  • Hayat Adem

    In Praise of Ghirmai,
    (Pfdj supporters, this message is not for you. I wish I have a split screen to handle you in a different pool.)
    Part I
    I truly believe Ghirmai, as a prominent Eritrean, dedicated to have advanced human right values and extended humanitarian support to the needy and those being wronged by a predator state, deserves a recognition and tribute for a very noble life he lived. If Awate Team for any reason don’t want to do it, poeple, like Ghezae Hagos or Semere A or Berhe Y, who may know him very well can contribute an individual article or more to this site on the life andcwork of this good man as their personal reflections highlighting his notable contributions.
    1) Ghirmai was advancing human ideals.
    2) Ghirmai has helped a number of resettler Ethiopians and Eritreans.
    3) Ghirmai has been a strong voice for the abused against the abuser.
    4) When it came to be an either/or choice whether to stand with Awate Idris or the Kunama people, he chose to stand on the side of the mass, the oppressed, the latter.
    5) He never blinked when staring at PFDJ agents and messengers in the eye until they yield. He risked and paid a price dearly for such bravity.
    6 ) Even when he was fighting cancer and knowing that he was dying slowly every single day, he never stopped helping his compatriots in need and voicing for them until his last breath. If this man is not one of our notable humans to earn our respect and tribute, then who!
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    Part II
    Yes, politically, the guy questions the merits of ghedli, like YG. I do question the merits of ghedli as well. Do I think I have good reasons to question ghedli in its entirety? I do. The good reasons I think I have may not sound as good to the Eritrean sitting next me or the one next to him or her. But that will not make my questions go away. What may make them go away is a satisfactory explanation and a convincing justification for all the hardships and sacrifices and the outcomes, and in the ability of someone showing me whether we are today any inch/minute closer to the evisioned tranquility and prosperty than we were in 1961. I don’t go as far as denying the existence of a valid reason for starting ghedli but while I always question about the optimality of the chosen path and the amount of sacrifice, I totally reject the outcome.
    The thoughts I have and am sharing with you on this ghedli issue are never born of personal petty gains or pains. They are all out of deep introspective contemplation and reverie. And I think of myself as a very internally balanced, never interested in chasing a wind for petty reasons.
    Basically, what would it take to make me among the confident ghedli-cherishing Eritreans? Not that much! If someone can take time, sit with me and explain plainly and intelligibly why ghedli should be considered supra sacred in our national narrative and why it had to be only that way, and all that in a way that makes sense to me, I am in.
    Just avoid telling me few things such as 1) because, we’ve sacrificed so much, as that itself is the very material I use to question it, 2) because it brought us indpendence as that too means nothing more than bieng registered as the 190th UN member. But I will tally anything else you tell me.
    So, I look forward, to the time we will be able to seeing the quality of our compatriots without necessarily tagging them to their level of support or opposition to ghedli, and in stead, measure their worth in terms of their thoughts and works towards the betterment of humanity, in general, and their contributions towards solving the hurdles of their communities, in particular.
    Hayat
    Dedicated to Ghirmai Shibeshi YeEbiyo

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear queen Hayat..

      Expand the idea ,,,Write an article-

      your friend –

      • Hayat Adem

        Kokhobay,
        You are not just gracing this forum, you are a grace itself. I read somewhere a line saying: Life is measured with love, positive contributions and grace. You embody all of those. Thanks God He gave a 2nd chance to enjoy your presence among us.
        With love, Hayat

    • Selam Hayat Adem,

      The dogmatic approach to gedli maybe due to its flaws and the fear that criticizing it may undermine the eritrean independence and the eritrean regime’s stay in power. Making it sacred and trying to show that there was no other way to reach the same goal (independence) other than through the horrendous sacrifice, then and now, is a way to avoid taking responsibilities.
      I think that eritrean independence is here to stay, unless eritreans themselves change their mind about it. Therefore, looking at gedli with a critical eye retrospectively, will not change the outcome of gedli, but it will allow eritreans to examine the reality and expose those who traded with the sacrifice of others, and may have squandered an opportunity for the sake of ulterior motives.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam dear Horizon,

        I think you have made hasty judgement. People like me who have spent career long part of our life in the struggle for independence of land and the currently hindered liberation of man, do not try to canonize national pursuit of our people. I mean we do not defend ghedli as tactic or strategy to hide or mistakes through our long journey. Besides we never think anybody out there can undermine our hard won national attainment as you have understood quite well. I agree with you that Eritreans have legitimate right and competence to appraise their experience and hold those who betrayed them to account.

        As to the sacrifice and the cost our people paid there is no point to feeling guilt; it is the cost that people who believed, cherished a aspired national liberation had to pay. This is not something outlandish to our people. Freedom seeking peoples did pass through that process though no one would condone bloodshed and destruction for the sake of it. The Ethiopian people did it at one stage of their national existence, and many nations too.

        On the point whether there was no other option to attain the same goal, of course there had been. Assuming you are fairly introduced to Eritrean-Ethiopian relation, you remember that there was ten years of peaceful political and diplomatic struggle just to keep the promise of preserving the constitutional rights of the Eritrean people under the Federal Act guaranteed by the UN General Assembly. As an example I remind you that the first martyr, Sheikh Abudlkadir Kebire was assassinated by Unionist hit men sponsored by the Eth. Imperial government on the eve of his departure to the UN to appeal. The Eritrean Liberation Movement from 1958 onward had engaged in peaceful struggle, again to preserve the Federal Act arrangement. Thus, it was after long struggle to peacefully stop systematic annexation that the Eritrean opted to carry guns, and carrying guns they did regardless of the cost which some people are deploring in retrospect.

        Thus, the Eritrean people’s ghedli is neither something we want to preserve as flawless and thus sacred that should not be criticized, nor its veterans and the general public defend it in order to hide mistakes and run from responsibility. But one thing is true, we enviously defend it to remain a purposeful era in the annals of history that posterity shall be proud of. The current transient mishap does not nullify the over all value of the Eritrean people’s national struggle for liberation and attainment of national identity. Hoisting the flag among the community of nations is merely symbolic and was not cannot be an end in itself. The Eritrean struggle was and remains to be exposition of a nation’s pursuit.

        Regards

        • Dear Ismail AA,

          The eritrean revolution (gedli), the eritrean freedom fighter and their goal, which was independence + freedom, should be seen in unison and not separately. If there is a fault in one, the other is undermined. You should not allow those who want to use the glory of gedli, so that the other is forgotten, which is the freedom of the people. If the wish of the martyrs were respected and not hijacked by the regime and its supporters, and gedli had delivered freedom, eritrea would have been a different place. You see that regime supporterd do not want to accept that independence and freedom should go hand in hand. I think that those who are criticizing gedli are in fact criticizing the actors, the regime and its supporters, who have almost nullified the fruits of a big sacrifice, which should have been a free and independent eritrea.
          Regards.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Horizon,

            I understand the point you are trying to make. The mistake and confusion is emanating from a kind of gloss over view that try to dwarf the whole Struggle of the Eritrean people that span through the time from 1962 to 1991 into what the EPLF as government and party had done and has been doing. The Ghedli ( a term that does not really represent the issue) involved the Eritrean people as a whole. The ELM, the ELF, PLF and its factions, the EPLF and even the current political and civilian formations in the opposition arena began their operation in the name of the Eritrean people. I mean they are simply constituencies that appealed to the population for support.

            Thus, any judgement of the Ghedli and its role and achievements cannot be judicious and objective unless it is built on the whole process, and not the post-1991 misfortunes the governance tenure of the current regime is responsible for. Such an approach glosses over the cummulative achievements of all the citizens the Eritrean people be they those who joined the fighting forces or those who discharge of their role as civilian where ever they happened to had been.

            Regards and appreciation for your engagment.

      • Peace!

        Hi Horizon,

        Last time I checked you do not even know your country Ethiopia really well, let alone Eritrea and its history, and you also seem too obligated to comment every time the Queen shows up regardless what your comment might mean to others. Next time you comment please try to insert some historical facts for people to know where you come from and see if you have a point ኣለበለዚያ ዝምብለህ ኣትቀደድ ለንፍጠኛው Abiም ኣልጠቀመም.

        Peace!

        • Hi Peace,

          Where I come from is none of your business. If you want to use the litmus test on me, to tell me whether I fit to this or the other country or ethnic group, try to blackmail and intimidate somebody else whom you have been doing for so long; I mean eritreans, and not me.
          Unlike you I do not frequent places where vulgarity is the norm and a low quality entertainment fills the atmosphere. That is why I am not aware of such places.
          What is your problem with the queen? Is it because unlike her you can never be a king? Why don’t try to to oppose her opinion with an opinion of yours, instead of disparaging her and attacking her person. Learn to accommodate a free thinker like her. She will hurt the dictator whom you support and condemn according to the situation, but never eritrea and its people.

        • Abi

          Hi Peace
          ነፍጠኛው አቢ ለንፍጥህ መጥረጊያ መሀረብ ይዞ ቀርቧል:: አልቃሻ

          • Peace!

            Abish,

            Your pride ማሲንቆስ የት ልትጥለው? You know your hands are always busy:)

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            Good One!
            አንተ አንገት ላይ አንጠለጥላታለሁ::

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Horizon,

        Denigrating the cause of ghedli and criticizing its flaws are two different. What the ghedli bashers are doing in our debate is the former. Ghedli has registered its primary purpose. History reminds us that there isn’t a single liberation struggle that accomplish both the liberation of the land and liberation of the people at the same time. It always the later follows the former, and the success of the later depends on sorting the variables in the process. Do not be a judge from hindsight. Anyone who judges from hindsight is neither a politician nor socio-political visionary.

        Regards

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Hayat,

      As I over a few days noted, I admire your inquisitive and independent mind. I would confidently argue that you are one of the hard-to-replace and down to earth liberated sister this forum is graced with. The points you have raised are product of your inquisitive mind and robustly provoke our thoughts. Since the raison d’être for this input was the death of one our compatriots, my understanding of the issue has two sides: one is the human side and another is his role as social activist where he lived and his views on a national issue. Actually, as I wrote in response of our other good sister, sara, I had no clue about the deceased when I read you breaking of the news yesterday to which I offered my sympathy and condolence to his loved ones and family members. Now, too, I applaud your recognition of the man’s activism regarding helping people in need. There is no qualm on my part on that regard.

      But about his views on the Martyr Hamid Idris Awate which I became aware of from the exchanges posted to the forum, I think it is not a matter of standing on side of what he thought right or our Kunama community. The issue is that neither he or others had build their view on historically established facts. Actually our judgement of such sensitive matters should be await proper historical research. Otherwise there will be mixing emotional outpourings, current politics and point scoring adventures. In my view, and as poor history student as well, views on the background of Martyr Awate are based on the propaganda campaigns against him since the time of the British that was exasperate by Unionist propagandist such as Qeshi Demetros who had vested interest in the land that belonged to our Kunama community. At this point, you and me understand that there had always been disputes between neighboring clans and tribes due to water and pasture. The Kunama and the Beni Amr are neighbors and such disputes were not an exception to socio-cultural trends elsewhere. One of the points the emotion triggered opinions try to engage was an attempt to stretch the old Kunama-Beni Amr disputes to the period of the emergence of the ELF and leadership of Martyr Hamid Idris Awate. But there has not been any evidence as far as I know that the ELF took particular measures against the Kunama community. Actually there many Kunama fighters and supporter bases in the ranks of the ELF. Of course there could have been operation against individual spies within the community against whom action was taken, just like anywhere around Eritrea from Tessenei, through Agordat, Keren, Asmara all the way to Mendefer and Adi-Keih.

      A closing remark or two I would like to mention in passing is about Eritreans, especially the young, criticizing ghedli. It a legitimate right of every genuine man or woman to voice their views on any phase of the Eritrean liberation struggle. But in the interest of sober appraisals that add value to the over all history of our people, it should not emanate from the wrongs and blunders the current had committed and committing. One can be sympathetic to our youth who have been disappointed and the enormous losses we have been suffering and loss of young lives in harsh deserts and inclement seas are tragic to the nation and any person with conscience. But the fact remains that nations are found and built by generations. One, two or three generations engage and sacrifice in the pursuit of establishing identity of nations. We should not over burden them. Many of them die or get hurt on the way to freedom, and others follow in their footsteps to carry on the mission and banner. During those hazardous journeys the priority of the interim phases that not offer the luxury of laying down the political governance order infrastructure. It within such circumstances that the current rulers of the country took advantage and put the issue of power and control at the top of their mission and were able to reach where they are now. What all this means is that the gheli generation should not be deplored for not also taking up the burden of coming with a government our people very well deserved at the end of their mission. Of course many young people ask why, for example the ELF, did not take appropriate measure when Isayas rebelled. This is valid point, but there were also circumstances or priorities that blocked that option.

      Now, rectification of the wrong that has been wreaking havoc in our country is by and large our national burden. The old generations should help the young generation by lending them their experienced advices to regain their country back. The criticisms they may voice should be heard with wisdom. Our youth should be made aware that there is nothing they could garner from deploring the previous generations. Saying it was the ghedli generation fault and giving up to melancholy and hopeless is no option. They should take the positive sides of the former generation and be creative and unite. Not doing this is falls to the advantage of the dictatorship and people who suffer from nostagia of pre-1991 periods be it inside our own borders or outside it.

      Regards

      • tes

        Selam Ismail AA.,

        Your wisdom is coined within each sentence. And it is not hard to read your good heart. Saying this, I have this for further contemplation:

        Political views/opinions/principles are debatable yet it represents and expresses the beholder.

        On the other hand;

        Human qualities are not debatable but noticed. They are sensed not researched.

        Now that GY has died we have his political views as well as human qualities. We might debate on his political views though we might not reach to a sound conclusion. He held them with him and he is the only one who owned them. No matter how hard he tried to diffuse his Ghedli views those who didn’t agree and from now on wards it is upto the reader to follow it. But one thing is remaining with us undebatable: his humaninatrian work. And if we have anything we fight against PFDJ is his crimes against humanity.

        No matter how brutal PFDJ is on its political ideology, at the end the measuring scale is its effect on humanity. COiE report didn’t conclude that PFDJ’s political idelogy is systematic but its crimes against humanity is systematic and widespread.

        The paradox here is while we are fighting for justice, we are judging people[those in the justice camp] for their political views while their basic cause of struggle is for basic human rights. Isn’t it our struggle for Eritreans to have full freedom no matter what their political views is?

        What is JUSTICE? And where is Justice?

        Isn’t it our struggle for our late brother Ghirmai and likes to have their say freely without any intimidation, fear or assasination for what they believe on?

        I know we are too far from the concept of ideal freedom. I am noticing it every day I walk on this earth. We are too far from what we preach on. And our journey to freedom is not accomplished yet. However, at least one deserves respect for what he/she believes on.

        For me, the definition of “a hero” is so deep, deeply rooted on human quality. The term martyr can also be extended for one who died with his/her conviction and fought for it non-stop. GY was a human Rights Activist and a humanitarian. He lived with both, he died with both. At least 115 Eritreans are a testimony for his noble life. he saved these 115 Eritreans from suffering. He saved their life from anguish. he saved their life from miser. can’t we say that he is a hero?

        Dear Ismail AA, I was watching one day in a French TVin 2015 coverage on honoring an ordinary man medaled with the highest form of recognition. he was a non-regular migrant working in a supermarket. When terrorists attacked. He was granted instant full citizenship and honored with a medal.

        A youtube note says this:

        A 24-year-old Malian immigrant who hid a group of hostages during a terror attack at a kosher supermarket was awarded French citizenship Tuesday in a ceremony that showcased his courage and selflessness. Lassana Bathily, who has lived in France for about nine years and filed his citizenship papers last summer, was fast-tracked for citizenship, sparing him from the notoriously arduous process of becoming a naturalized Frenchman. Bathily, dressed in a black suit and white shirt, walked into Tuesday’s ceremony flanked by French Prime Minister Manuel Valls and Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve. The story of Bathily, a Muslim who saved Jews from possible death, has provided France with a heroic figure after a horrific spasm of violence that began with the Jan. 7 attack on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

        And here is the link: Muslim Who Saved Jews in Attack Gets French Citizenship

        For this single humanitarian work, this ordinary man is awarded with a medal and citizenship. Now, people like Amanuel Hidrat are saying that Ghirmai Yeibio does not deserve regonition by awate.com as his political views are against what this web-site stands for.

        It is disappointing. It is disappointing to see politics to come first before humanity. It is disappointing to reject people’s recognition simply because his/her political veiws are against what we believe on. Isn’t this what we call “bigotry”?

        I am the last to blame for people like Amanuel Hidrat to blame them for being a bigot. I thought their human quality is superior to their political principles. I was thinking of them as humans first than politicians. I was wrong. And I can see why their struggle is going bitter every other new day without bearing the fruit their fight for.

        So far Awate Team has not reacted. And I am not writing either to awate.com but to those who reacted so far and I came to learn that they prioritize politics before humanity.

        Dear Ismail AA., you came first with your human quality and you doubled it after you came to learn about GY. I have at most respect for your nobility. It is this quality that we need to fight for.

        Awate Team can give due recognition to Ghirmai Yeibio in areas where he deserves and have their say on his political opinions. However not to remember him or recognize his works is a mistake. So far nothing is said. And I don’t think Awate Team will not simply ignore for this kind of news.

        For me, it an equally important news as that mf many Eritreans whom we read about their death in this website. What I don’t expect is awate.com to be the only website to be the outlet. For example: http://www.assenna.com has covered the news. It is good enough. Every opposition website is entitled to be the voice of the voiceless Eritreans. And I believe what awate reports is equally important as that of assenna and other websites who stood for justice.

        What I am standing for is against those who are calling awate.com not to give recognition Ghirmai Yebio’s work simply because his political views do not match with it stands for. This is dangerious and anti what we are collectively fighting for: FREEDOM OF THOUGHTS

        tes

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tesfat,

          You keep harping to interpret what people’s say. I told you in unamibigous term, that I didn’t have any kind of say in the decision AT may or may not tak nor did I plead to AT not to pay attribute to him. But I also make clear my view that his view was against the cause of the Eritrean people, and hence my position. If you want to pay tribute you could do so. But could let him to Rest In Peace and his family to get comfort and condolence humanely and do not politicize his death. Please do not pull us into politics in the grieving time of his family. Be informed that we know what humanity demands and everyone is doing it.

          Regards

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I am not politicizing his death rather giving due recognition for his over-all works. We can not simply ignore his death as a simple natural death. If I do now for Ghirmay, I will do it tomorrow for someone else. Gheteb, Nitricc and Peace! wants us to keep silent. The time we abide with their call we will all keep silent for our cause.

            Our struggle is not only to fight for those who are alive and with voiceless but also to give due recognition for those who gave their life for the cause we are fighting for.

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat, this is about you and me. It is whether you/I should keep silent when I/you passed away. It is between preserving or ignoring our values and dignity.

            I have to mourn and at the same time contemplate on what he did. I can not simply leave such sorrow to his families. I have to share it as he has.

            tes

        • Ismail AA

          Dear tes,
          Sorry for delayed response. This post some how escaped my attention.

          Son, you might have noticed from my comments on the issue of our deseased fellow compatriot, Ghermai Yebiyo. I have looked at the issue from two sides. As a human being I reacted to his death with respect to life and the loss his loved ones and family incured. The sorrow they endured is also ours as human beings. Moreover, his role in helping fellow human beings in need is noble regardless the motives and context of discharging duty. He could have been an activist who celebrated justice and wellbeing of others, or even as persons who provided service for renumeration does make difference. Good deeds for pay or free is noble.

          The other side of the issue is his political views on a controversial issue, His right to uphold certain opinion is within his right. But when one has to deal with such matters consideration of the other point of view is also the right of the opposite side. In this particular matter, our brother should have cared better and establish the truth of the matter. Being drawn by emotions in an effort to stand with the side one thinks had been unjustly treated lowers the value of one’s sympathy or solidarity. I have tried to write a few things in other posts about the alleged assault on the rights of our Kunama community. I hope read them. So, let us help if we can the family and loved ones of Ghermai to work out the grief.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selam Ismail,
        The hardest thing to do with you is to disagree. If I notice some deviations b/n us, I will recall my calim in case i overlooked something and have another careful look at my position and see if I err on my facts or allow some fallacy into my arguement. You are so articulate, careful, considerate and balanced man, a rare thing.
        1) i completely agree on nearly all what you said in relation to Ghirmai
        2) paying attention to the new facts (to me) you put up about Awate and the Kunama, i will study the issue further. Until then, i will retract whatever i said or reflected about it.
        3) regarding the eritrean youth, your message is well taken. you have to also appreciate the agony the older generation is burdening them with as if they were meant to be the 2.0 version of yikealo.
        I can’t sign off without thanking you for your soberness and collectedness.
        Hayat

    • Nitricc

      Hayat, you are missing one very important aspect of the Eritrean Gedli. it is not for some old people like you to contemplate and question one of the greatest gedli, rather it is for the young to respect, admire and protect. It is your right to mourn and be depressed about it. i feel you but there is nothing you can do but die in agony and misery. sorry someone has to tell you. just die off like all the haters of our gedli. you will.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      This will take us back to the topic we debated it for a decade or more. I will not add more to what Ismail AA explained it properly and prospectively particularly on what our young generations ought to do. He made a great job to counter argue against your contrarian view to what our Ghedli had stood for. Now I have a simple question to you. Do you ever think about ghedli as concept where it is needed for a society to launch for it? If no why? And if yes when and how? Again if your answer yes, was ghedli tgray appropriate to be launched in 1975? If your answer is yes, then what is the difference from our ghedli? Aren’t both for social transformation in whatever shape or forum wanted to be evolved? When you answer pls do not relate with the deceased. I just want to know your stubbornness against the cause of the Eritrean people. Please also do not try to preach us about PFDJ for you know with whom you are debating. If your logics for being to be against our cause are based from the an outcome of regime we have know, then you don’t have any clue as to what the reasons made us to launch our armed struggle. So be sincere to yourself on the court of the Eritrean public opinion and not be outlandishly dismissive to the pain and cause of Eritrean people.

      Regard

      • Hayat Adem

        Selamat Emma,
        Emma, i notice and feel your angry tone. There is nothing to be angry and agitated about this. Remember that ghedli was a public and popular project, which means it is subject to scrutiny and discussion. It is not a sacred thing abd there is no exclusive entitlement.
        In case you are assuming i am against the cause, you can not be more wrong than that. but what is the cause? Ghedi cannot be the cause itself, ghedli was the means to get there: positive peace, tranquility, freedom. ghedli didn’t get us there. And i am not even against ghedli as such i only have questions and doubts, not on the manner and reason it started but on the way it was managed and evolved. What does that mean exactly: the relationship of the eritrean forces liquidating each other, the crimes and killings that were commited on indibidual tegadelti and civils, and that includes the civil war, between eplf and elf. Do you approve that? I know you cannot possibly approve that. Do you think that was an inevitable thing? I don’t think so. Will we be where we are today if ghedli was managed properly? Of course, not. So, my issues are the political evolvement and the products we happened to harvest from the long journey ghedli enabled. Nothjng happened in a vacuum. So, please , emna when you want to discuss, tone down. Relax, no body is dying as a result of my question. But a lot of mistakes and crimes were done and lster morphed to be an organizational culture as a result of our silence and not asking questions.
        Below, i will try to answer yiyr questions as straightly as i can. And thrre is a long hateta i wrote addressing mahmuday, too, and you will find some more of my thoughts in there. And you are welcome to ask me on anything i said or fidn’t say.
        1) yes, ghedli is necessay in some extreme cases. I also acknowledge ther existence of other means of struggle tyat are less costly and when done properly anx in the right dituation, they can produce better results.
        2) i do believe eritrean ghedli had had adequate reasons to start an armed struggle.
        3) my questions are related to the way it was run organizationally and politically. On the larger part, I exempt the military part of it from questionability.
        4) i am tying also to see and study if there were other better and more optimal ways for better results with less sacrfices. not conclusion yet.
        5) yes, i believe Tplf too and the other Ethiooian armed groups such eprp, had good reasons to start ghedli as well.
        6) remember, i am not against the eritrean cause, how can i be.
        7) if ghedli started the way it started, liberated eritrea through negotiatin, pressure or conclusive military victory in the 1770s when they almost liberated the entire eritrea without having to fight each other, without habing to go through more killings and being killed, and immediately started the kind of governance and democracy eritreans were exercising during the federation, i would have supported ghedli full heartedly, with no ifs and buts, or maybes. What we have is something else, hence my doubts and questions.
        8) but i am so clear and completely in agreement with you on where to from here. I AM SO CLEAR ON THE REALITY OF AN ERITREAN INDEPENDENCE. not just me, all or maybe nearly all ethiopians are. The whole world is. For this reason, I believe the independence of eritrea is irreversible and there is nothing to worry about even if eritrea remains weak, if what. So, lets make eritrea great again not nor the sake of independence, which is there and not going anywhere, but for the sake of the life quality of our people, which is missing and will remain so unless we do something. And you and i are 100 % on the same page on the devnition of most our problems and thteir solutions. Ghedli is of the past, less important and whether we completely agree on all of it or none of it is inconsequential.
        Hayat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          I am not angry, but I am disappointed by you, when you try to pull us from the current struggle to the past – the ghedli era. To those who haven’t seen and participated ghedli, as the name signifies it, it is “ghedel”. Ghedli is not a fun. It is all sweating, bleeding, dying untimely, and all kind of misery for the noble cause. Those who chose to be part of it, it was for a cause, a noble cause, to liberate their people by giving all – including the ultimate sacrifice. Ghedli can not be judged by “hindsight judges” because they do not understand “the struggle within the struggle” and the toll it demands to shape it. If you are fighter for a solution, we don’t need an alternative solution to the past, we need a solution to the present problem.”Fighting to liberate a country” and fighting to bringing social transformation are two different struggles. We attained the former, and we are fighting for the later as we speak. If you want to be part of the change, be positive and look for solutions. The mistakes and crimes done within ghedli can not be corrected now – it is a past. Historians will look at it in due time.

          regards

    • MS

      Selam Hayat
      The man has departed the world, the family is grieving. Any attempt of trying to squeeze some political juice out of this situation is simply opportunistic. If you are to praise the man’s humanitarian side, go for it. If you are trying to push his political views, this is not the right time. The family is grieving, and I would not want to put the deceased person on trial.
      Another point: Please understand this, and we have gone through it time and again. If you were adult during Eritrean revolution and you held the views you hold now, you were defeated 25 years ago. If this is a relapse and a hindsight revision, similar to YG, you guys have not made any significant dent to the Eritrean narrative. Your habitual bashing of the Eritrean revolution does contribute positively to the solution of the problem facing Eritrea; it does not contribute positively to help calm the peoples of the region. You are actually impending the natural growth/development of peaceful coexistence and mutually respected cooperation and economic integrations that the region needs. YG has never put any realistic solution oriented proposal. If the post independence political situation in Eritrea had taken its right course, YG would not have been bashing Eritrean ghedli. YG has chosen escapism instead of analyzing the situation objectively and critically and put forward a proposal that fits the situation. PFDJ has found a perfect defense material in the likes of YG, and other more radical elements by scaring people. Worse, the likes of YG are nurturing their political appetite from the same problems that the genuine opposition is trying to solve. There are serious patriots who are trying to find a forward-looking solutions.
      Therefore, Hamed Idris Awate was not perfect, but he was not a villain either. There is a project underway to put all these nonsensical narrations, one that is based on solid academic research (I have heard of it), I hope the result of that project will put all these nuances within their proper perspective.

      • Selamat “Queen” Hyatt
        Adem and MaHmuday “The Best” SaliH,

        Two questions allow me to put forth to the Two Awatistas that were the catalyst of sorts for the current Hyjumm Weapon X.&Slti YZ.

        1. How do we in the Eritrean Opposition reconcile the “Bado Seleste” like, pertinent disiminattion of Real News in forums such as this side by side with 03 rummers from the creative imaginations such with good or bad intentions from the creative pseudo analysts amongst us, such as the tSAtSE’s and perhaps Ghetebs?

        2. I will credit Kebess civil dialogue with Hyatt with regards to The the commencement of trade between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Which his question raised heightened focus.

        I scratched the initial 2nd question.

        Both of your reactions to The now One question is of great value to and appreciated in advance by
        .
        Yom Al AHad Mobruka.
        Brukh Senbet ygberelna.

        tSAtSE

        • MS

          Selma Xaxe
          We have been through this cyclical recurrence of Hayat. I don’t know what prevents her from reading the reality. I’m not so much concerned by the potency of the YG groupies, their view does not have bearing pillars. What irritates me is the fact that they are intermingling among the REAL change seekers. They and their franchises are costing the opposition a great deal. That’s what bothers me. I have read YG, he chose recycling what other Eritreans have criticized and written about. He has no solution oriented proposal. Nothing. It’s amazing that some are criticizing us for being ghedli romantic while they keep romanticizing a myth of 3000 years!
          On Girmay, I don’t know the man. But he is dead now and the family deserves nothingn but condolences and privacy. Infusing her own political view on this occasion is not appropriate.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Mahmuday,
        How did we get back to it again, Mamuday? We are not that apart. I mean it. For example, you said diHri Maay nab baAti! Exactly. I agree. Eritrean independence is here to stay. I have never wanted to undo the ghedli journey even if it was possible to undo it with 1% cost of what it consumed for its making. I am so tired of talking about it let alone to call for a reverse-repeat of it. You also said, ” look, the end does not justify the means.” And Eritreans seem to tell you, “And who told you this is the end?” Fine, whether ghedli was good or bad, the best or the less best, necessary or unnecessay, we are here and we are supposed to work for a beterr future. So, we are together upto this point. Now, let me add few points: I am not for a union/andinet with Ethiopia. That is because i know andibet brought ghedli and i don’t to repeat horror films. The minimum condition I ask of our relationship with Ethiopia is peace. A better minimum yet is peace and normalization. Even better than that is cooperation. Integration, my best scenario, can happen at later time and that is only if people of both sides or at regional level with other countries in the neighnorhood joining…but only based on aspiring for more benefits and if only politics of the day allows. I am sure, we are on the same page upvto here. On current situation of our cohntry, Pfdj and IA, i think we are getting closer, more than ever. So, what more is there to Eritrean politics to keep you and I apart argue about. Not that much.
        Now, I will address the sad departure of Ghirmai and my related feeds following the news of his death. Your reaction to the news i shared about his death was nearly perfect. I sa ‘nearly’ because you fell short of recognizing his support to resettlers and his cobtributiins in fighting human right abuses of thd Pfdj. But it was really good enough for me.
        You were fine to separate the issue:
        1) Ghirmai as just a departed human/Eritrean,
        2) Ghirmai as a humanitarian and
        3) Ghirmai as an activist/politician.
        Although, I share some commonness with Ghirmai even on number three, my first short and one paraf note was limited to sharing the news of his passing away, confined to 1 and 2. This is because 3 is conterversial to many Eritreans and also less important, compared to 1 and 2. You perfectly picked 1 and paid your condolence to the family. That was just great of you though I would have loved seeing you as far as going aknowledging 2 as well. This is because, as a reasonable person as you are, you will not have difficulty to see what he had done to help the victims and the needy while he was alive. That is verified by neutral reports andvthe beneficieries. But you paid sympathy on the ground of 1, you stayed quiet on 2 and you opposed ground 3 but held it from invoking respecting the freshly departed. Many people shared the same sentiment. And that all was great.
        The Pfdj supporters, as usual, went after the dead and started attacking him and thrashing left and right, all invoking 3. They knew how most Eritreans feel about 3 and used it to shame and guilt trip the justice seeking community at Awate in an effort to mobilize everyone against both 1 and 2. And it paid them well. A few people like Tes stood their ground, but on the large part, they stirred all dust and smoke succefuly as if there is worse enemy of Awate Idris and ghedli ideals than IA.
        Ghirmai didn’t harm a single Eritrean. He helped hundreds. He was not the one who ashed Awate’s burning torch. IA has killed a dream, disgraced ghedli, ashed off the dream torch. And people like gheteb glorify him and him alone. Such people have no limits of shame what so ever. And recall how he was trying to shame you and others invoking ghedli just because you tried to console the grieving family of the dead. These people are double killers.
        If Ghirnai and some of us are questioning ghedli now from a hindsight, it is because of the horrible things these people brought up on us in the name of ghedli.
        I was not playing politics with the death of Ghirmai. Never. Go back and see the news info I wrote first. It is about 1 and 2. No politics, no ghedli. And you reacted to that perfectly and decently. And you were insulted for doing so.
        When I came back to register my record because of the many excesses I sensed against the dead, i pulled to part 1&2, and partially 3 in defense of him. The first part should not have caused any problem to all justice seekers. It was about Ghirmai’ being human and what he did to help others. The 2nd was about his political opinions he expressed publicly. I put them separately so that we don’t mix them. I included some parts where i also share some of the views Ghirmai had. That was what got to make the above note.
        I have always been telling you my candid views. It is not that I have something inherent bias over ghedli. All the sacrfices, the committments of the innocent tegadalai, the selflessness, and the heroism..all this elements truly fascinate me and it could have been my other passion that i would have been one of the people who could have been producing movies on each of those remarkable stories. There were many activities in ghedli that, as stories, get me intoxicated, like anyone else. And these are your stories, Mahmuday. If they can get into me that much when i hear and read them, i can imagine how much they mean to people who were in them, like yourself. These were all deeds and works of a no-less miracle.
        Where come my doubts are when i see ghedli beyond the operationlization spectrum and view it as a political movement from a detached vantage point. This has nothing with any political motive. I don’t even know if I have one. Mine is purely from analysis, free of emotions, and trying to see what prompted ghedli, and what it delivered and everything in between, and reconsidering and rethinking possibilities.
        I could be wrong, others could be right. The only thing I hate is when people start jumping guns at the slightest mention of ghedli negatively. But I souldn’t be bashed for thinking different as i shouldn’t be surprised to see ghedli defenders even at this point of time. It is all about thoughts and so long us we do it with a balanced salt, free mind and without killing or hurting any one it is to be welcome. It is good. Nothing of a public project of such magnitude that consumed tens of thousands of lives, maimed as many, took 30 yrs off your age as a nation to get us here can be a protected subject of taboo beyond free discourse. The law of dynamics in thoughts will bring some of them of the ideas to the center, will merge some, consolidate some and pushed away the rest as outliers into the periphery. Ideas must not be feared, nor the contrarians be condomned and outcast. The only time it becomes unacceptable is when people impose theirs and silence yours. But people like gheteb do it even worse, they want to dialogue with you while killing, disappearing and jailing you and your families.
        The only time, you hear me talking about ghefli is in reaction to excesses. Otherwise, i don’t because there is no use talking about it.
        This has been a very long hateta even by your standard, so forgive me. You see, even our style is getting closer.
        Hayat with love

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear queen —

          “ጅብ ከሄደ ውሻ ጮኸ “:

        • Sahay Erican

          Dearest Queen,

          I think it is about time you call the spade by its actual name. You cannot put Gheteb and the former Isaias Afeworki’s suitcase carrier on separate scales. They are two faces of the same Nakfa coin. You are too smart to spend your time trying to please the destructive and intolerant extremists.

        • iSem

          Hi Hayat and Thomas:
          There is this idea that always made me furious when I used to debate PFDJ supporters and it is: “are you anti-Eritrea”, when you criticize the government. It used to drive me crazy and now when your criticize gheldi, its madness, while still believing in the ideal of its founding, the opposition tell you that you are anti-gheldi, the sacred ghedli. And they blame it to communism when they cave in, we know that, but madness has its limits.
          You see when IA talked about confederation with Ethiopia, “…now that our rights protected”, no one complained except a few in the mainstream opps. and now when you say, even if PFDJ is our own, we should not spare them and if TPLF used to be our enemy they are saving us now, this infuriates even the opposition who are hosted in Ethiopia: everyone who is killing you now is your enemy, and everyone who deported you, abused before and now is welcoming you is your friend, how hard is this to understand
          About the union, it is far fetched notion, but if someone in the future, in a democratic Eritrea proposes it, and the ppl accept it, no one could do anything about it. But now we have a bigger fish to fry than union or not, Saba was just toying with us to inject if PFDJ would be allowed because she was giddy after the “kereb sessions”:)
          Hayat: you said Ghetb glorifies IA and IA alone. I know why, is has a Muslim name and he has read some Quran and like one of his EPLF uncles once said, “we have created everything alive from lentils” after finishing a bowl of lentil, Gheteb also says, “we worship you and you alone IA”. Both verses are from the Noble Quran

        • MS

          Selma Hayat
          I lost a detailed reply, but here is the gist from what I can remember
          1. I made two remarks concerning Girmay, and they are all for sending my condolences to the family and for reminding us that we should not use him (one way or another) to infuse our political view in the situation, let the family and friends have some privacy. I would encourage you to come up with an article honoring his humanitarian works; I don’t know the gentle man. I was first made aware of his departure through Gezae Hagos FB page, his name rang in my mind, but I could not make a lot out of it…If you want to honor his political activism, I would welcome you to come up with a well defended article so we can discuss it on its merits, but that should wait until the mourning period passes. All I have said is to not make him a battleground of our political debates.
          2. Awate the tribe leader was quite different from Awate the national figure. As a tribe leader he defended his tribe. If you are not familiar with this stuff, cattle rustling was common in that region. It’s still practiced in Ethiopia, Kenya, South Sudan and some other places…However, Awate the national figure has no record of him targeting any particular community on grounds of ethnicity or religion. On the contrary, he is known for his preaching that they were fighting for the right of ALL Eritreans. He hid, and moved around in the areas the Kunama and Nara communities reside. Both the British and Ethiopian authorities tried to exploit his previous relations with the Kunama people but they were not successful because by then Awate had already enlisted the support of those communities based on his actions and discipline.
          3. Why do we protect Awate: because he is a symbol of a cause. He is the achille’s heel of Eritrean revolution. It is no so much for the sake of the person but the cause he represented. If Awate did not lead, someone would lead the mass which was ready to act up because of the intrusions and humiliations they suffered at the hands of the Imperial government. For sure, someone would have led. So, it is about the cause. That’s why I consider Awate to be the Achille’s heels of the cause: take him out and you have no cause to speak of; if there is no cause that he represented, then you have no justification for ghedli, you have no justification for the arduous struggle, and certainly no justification for the independence of Eritrea. That’s why, you guys zero in on Awate and ghedli….
          3. I agree Awate and ghedli are no sacred realms, but I expect unbiased discussions on this subject. Any academic work is welcome, it could go through scrutiny and we can all learn from, but not under belt punches that are thrown for quick yield. Most of the derogatory remarks origin from Abyssinian chauvinism and from islamophobic feelings. They are lies layered over the decades.
          4. All the New-Heroes who entertain the bashing of ghedli and Awate are doing is revisionist escapism. They have not produced a single solution-oriented proposal. The current challenge demands we wake up and face reality. As you put it, Eritrean independence is a reality. I don’t think most Ethiopians and Eritreans are mesmerized by the talk over Union or independence. They don’t really give it priority. Their priority is normalization and peaceful co-existence. If Union comes through the will of both people, that is fantastic. The pressing demands of Awate and Eritrean ghedli was not territorial, but basic human rights such as the right to govern self, the right to use languages you choose, the right to be treated rarely…Eritrean map was not changed during Haileselasie or the Derg. It remained the same, it remained the same administrative unit…So, it was not about territorial grievances but about people’s right to determine their affairs. That was the repeated demand of Eritrean ghedli. You should direct your rage towards the no-good Ethiopian regimes, which were not good to their people either.
          5. I’m always delighted to exchange ideas with you. Rest assured, that I respect you. But when we discuss serious topics, it’s only natural that we will employ serious tone. I would love to talk with you on forward-looking issues over a coffee cup. I always find you interesting and well versed on issues of peace and peaceful coexistence, on issues of economic interdependence and integration of the region which should happen if the region is to move out of crisis and poverty. We owe these ideas to the future generation and it is my hope that we leave behind a more secured and peaceful region to the new generation. We can do that without fighting over events that had long been decided by the course of history. What I’m against is the notion that takes ghedli as a business project where feasibility is studied and cost/benefit analysis is on the chart. Social events don’t follow that pattern. Oppressed people revolt, the revolution takes its own life (governed by the friction factors, actors, and push/pull factors of that era). Today’s challenges could not be attributed to ghedli, because, frankly, the generation that participated on that project is rebelling and complaining for the fact that dyed like ideals have been derailed. Most of those political prisoners, the intermittent uprisings within PFDJ and the people (politicians, artists, elder folks…journalists…are all part of the generation that participated in it.
          Finally, I again call upon you to present your ideas in a comprehensive fashion so that we can learn from them and debate them once and for all. As always, with utmost respect.
          Regards.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat and Mahmoud,
            Great and enjoyable dialogue. I might sound foolish if I declare here that I am a kind of person afflicted by a syndrome diagnosed as dialogue. This powerful weapon brings first insanity to disputes and relegates arrogance of force to the realm of social and political heresy. Dialogue is a cure that recuperates wounds weapons and guns had caused.
            Consider this as supportive call from dialogue-enamored fan, and stop laughing at me for haraguing the Obvious.
            Regards

      • Thomas

        Hi Mahmudai,

        If we all know that there is no power that could reverse our (Eritrea’s) independence, we should not be very sensitive about opinions coming from some group members. If we are tolerant and seem to ignore about the talks of the Afars and the Kunamas for secession/separation from Eritrea, why can’t we be tolerant on the opinions of the Agazian or similar groups. Isn’t the majority thinking is all matters?

        Hayat is a very skill full debater and what I think she is trying to be tolerant and have a balanced opinion on events or discussions here. However, I am a little disgusted to see people show the super nationalism card and attack whenever they seem to soft targets of others. Isn’t that tactic overly used by the supporters of the regime calling us weyanes or agents of foreign entities? I think the main point of debating must be tolerance or acceptance of diverse opinions. I think we are in the situation we are now because we cannot stand diverse ideas. We are in the 21st century; we must be ready to take opinions coming from all citizens, right or wrong without out rejecting them. It must be give and take discussions, I think it is that way we all can find solutions.

  • tes

    Selam Amanuel Hidrat, SGJ, Paulos, Hayat Adem and iSem;

    On many occasions, I defended on those deceased individuals for only and only one reason: JUSTICE and Absolute Human Rights. I may insert my political opinions but this is secondary. In my understanding, in a free world where freedom of express is observed, no individual can be sentenced to death for his /her own political opinion simply because he expressed them. Even if one preaches for what he/she believes it should be invited for open debate and discussion. The same is true for what one faith he/she has

    We can see how PFDJ hardliners are reacting to every news posted on the passing of individuals.

    KBT for example reacted to the above article written in rememberance of Haj Mohammed Ali Mahmoud as a Wahabi preacher. This is nothing but standing against human rights to beliefs. Gheteb has dashed so many individuals who are posted here based on their political opinions. It is ok when people like Gheteb, Nitricc, KBT etc condemn those who are already victims of PFDJ crimes against humanity untill justice is prevailed. Individuals like Peace! have so many inter-related motives to go after GY though Peace!’s primary motive is religion than any other. Peace!, as a known Muslim fanatist, nothing less can be expected from his side.

    What makes me wonder is when Amanuel Hidrat came with high dosage of political stance against GY. Amanuel Hidrat and GY are on two different camps: While Amanuel Hidrat is a Political Activist mainly centered on his own political principles, GY is a human Rights Activist derived by his conviction on Universal Human Rights. While Amanuel Hidrat’s world view could be politically principled, GY is convicted to universalism. Therefore there could be wide difference on how they see the world in general and Eritrea in particular.

    To my core message then:

    Ideas are worth to be debated and those who come victorious flourish. Ideas can debated, argued, ignored, bashed, silenced, censored, even banned before reaching the audience. This discourse can be done through different methods.

    For example, PFDJ tries to silence, to ban ideas, to censor them, to ignore them but never debate or discuss on them. On the other hand the justice seekers camp relatively debate on ideas. There are ideas which are defeated, there are also some tried to be silenced. What is hard in the justice camp is to ban ideas.

    Yet, ideas are opinion’s bestowed on the universal human rights. In a sane environment, everyone has a freedom to express his ideas. The end receiver has his own lethmus paper to accept these ideas before implementing them. Not forgetting that “thoughts can become things”, what makes ideas to become things is the environment it nurtures. GY, YG and many like minded people might have tried to bash Ghedli and even denied our cause of struggle. The other end argued, debated and sayed NO to them. And who won is not difficult to observe.

    Saying all this what GY did was expressing his political views on past Eritrean history. By doing this he could have hoped these two hypthesis:

    1. To rewrite Eritrean history according his own views – history is according to the writer Or
    2. Wanted to liberate people from their own nationalist sentiments and zealots, and get rid of their bigotry.

    In my opinion, the first one is impossible no matter how hard he tried to inject his views. The cause of struggle is legitimate in al forms. For this, I worry the least.

    The second hypothesis depends on the degree of bigotry that he will encounter while advancing his ideas. Not forgetting the opposition camp is mainly occupied by nationalists and conservative liberals, it is hard GY’s ideas to take ground, specially among former freedom fighters.

    On the other hand, GY has a visible human quality in which at least those 115 people sponsored by him can not deny it. We might not embrace his over-all on his humanitarian works before His role on Eritrean community in his community are evaluated further. But at least we have 115 needy Eritrean refugees for a basic reference. This is great.

    My gist is this:

    Political opinions change with time – evolove positively or negatively and they may simply die. What can not change human values and quality. Once a killer can not be a mercy giver though the inverse can be true. I have no information about the personal bio of our late GY. What I might not expect his his involvement as a criminal against humanity. I believe he stood against INJUSTICE at al forms – human rights to live freely and freedom of expression. His writing against Hamid Idris Awate was in line to his defense for Kunama people. As I can read, he was on the Extreme Left side of politics. This is ok in an absolute Liberal world. Unfortunately we are too far from the basic liberal thinking world. We are all nationalists to see beyond our love to the country.

    Today Eritrean politics is in its highest chaotic forms. And according to pphysics from chaos beauty is born. I hope we will learn the best out of all these chaos we live on.

    GY will be remembered for his human rights roles not for his political views. He was not a Political Activist – which makes him different than YGm SGJ, and you by yourself. And if we are able to differentiate the role of Political Activists from Human Rights Activist then it is the time to come truimphed.

    tes

  • Selam->سلام-<-ሰላ

    • Selamat ALL!

      MerHaba Kokhob Selam!!!

      Worry not about the machines and the SENTINELS. It is a New Dawn — Kokhob Selam’s Songs of Freedom is just a part of the books from all knowledge that is from ONE SOURCE.

      “Won’t You help me sing. These Songs of Freedom
      Is All I Ever Had. Redemption Songs
      Redemption Songs.
      How Long Shall They Kill Our Prophets, While We STAND a side and look…Have no FEAR for Atomic Energy..” Legend Bob Markey.

      ERITREANS STAND ON 17.

      AbuAshera Evolution!
      V!2ueces.

      tSAtSE

      • Kokhob Selam

        Selam GitSAtSE:-

        tSAtSE ; ERITREANS STAND ON 17….Congratulation..

        • Selamat Kokhob

          Selam!

          Congratulations to Aware.com’s Poet Extraordinaire!
          The AmEriCAn GitSAtSE — Giant Mayou Angelu sums it BEST! with “STILL I RISE.”

          Dear Black Star of Peace
          Kokhob Selam, It is the aggregate of African Giants, from Ghana ‘s Nikrumah, Al Haj Al Melik Al Shebaz Brother Malcolm X, The Revrend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Ms Rosa Parks, President Barak Husein Obama, President Donald Trump, U.S. Army Veteran Ceasar Chavez and YOU Eritrean Liberation Front Freedom Fighter Veteran, Kokhob Selam – are The BLACK PEACE STARS Giants, future Eritrean and Ethiopian Leaders STAND On. Kishafa 40 on 40, then will all Nation’s Grade Zerro, the Azilo40 Agnieya40 Innovate with. The Hubble Kishafa sort to speak.

          SEVENTEEN! and The Winds of the IGAD NATIONS and the ground shifting recent developmebts is A WIN WIN positive progress.
          My 2 Captains Saay7 and Gheteb, I assure you Kokhobay, will confirm [Two Captain’s and Ant “Triangle Offense] that of the HadiQa Al KhorTum Garden, Average Age 1010, in Base 2 where Telata’s Re

  • ‘Gheteb

    Selam tes,

    Do you think that we are idiots not to be able to differentiate between the two quotes?

    “Indeed there were “wenbedewoch” among the freedom fighters. And these “wenbedewoch” are now ruling Eritrea”.

    ” I think to label them as wenbedewoch is much more better than failing to respond this simple question”.

    As hard as you might try to bury the fact that you called the Eritrean freedom fighters “wenbedewoch”, the more this quote is going to follow you like your shadow.

    You maybe too obtuse to get it, but I am telling you again that you will be reminded of it. You can count on that!

    • tes

      Selam Gheteb,

      Ha ha. Don’t you know that I am labeled as a “traitor”. Why you care now for what you actually imagined is what I said.

      Don’t you know that I have nothing to care for your words.

      How is your family business?

      I think traditional gold mining is going well in Keren area because of DIA’s advice to your family?

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear tes,,

        “I think traditional gold mining is going well in Keren area because of DIA’s advice to your family?”
        Exactly –

        • tes

          Selam Kokhob Selam,

          I am inspired to see you reading every line we drop. It is an honour reading you.

          tes

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate and commentators,
    PF(DJ) policy to arrest citizens without trial has two main components
    1) Systematic denial and 2) Banning foreign media .

    The systematic denial is well recorded in many anecdotes, like the above. Even though it banned foreign media, information about prisoners has come from many sources, including from the jailer themselves or prisoners who managed to escape. The anecdotes and the information collected by the jailers and prisoners is not only vital now but also in the future when the regime is going to be accountable in front of justice. The Pol Pot and the South African truth and reconciliation trials are the best examples.
    I salute Awate again for publishing the above article.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Folks,
    Sooner than we overcame the mourning over the death of Mihret, we just lost this last Wed our own examplary humanitarian and human right champion, Ghirmay YeEbiyo. While he has set a heroic example of defying tyranny and standing against the brutal regime of Isayass risking many things at personal level, he was also committed on helping hundreds of fleeing and resttling Eritreans in Canada and else where. I hope Awate carries a tribute reflecting his story as a community hero. My condolences to family members and to those close to him and work with him at Winnipeg community..

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Hayat,
      Thank you for letting us know. My sincerest sympathy and condolence to YeEbiyo’s loved ones and family members in particular, and the justice seekers in general. It is painful loss to loss such individuals at this time when we need them more than any time.

      • sara

        Dear Mr Ismail,
        correct me if i am wrong but the deceased under discussion was i think one who used to equate the Eritrean revolution was founded by a group of Bandits. in-fact in one of his write offs he said some thing to this effect….
        Hamid Idris Awate – A criminal outlaw “Shifta” who shot the first bullet in the name of
        the revolution

        • Abi

          Hi sariti
          Both you and yeEbiyo are correct.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear sara,

          Thank you for questioning my condolence message. It was the first time I happende to read the deceased’s name from my dear sister Hayat. I never heard about him or read things he penned. I just happened to be first to log in and read Hayat’s sharing of the news.

          My human conscience propelled me to respect the deceased and his family. You know whenever we hear about someone’s death, it is customary and human to pray for him /her and comfort his/her family members. We just say: Allah yarhamhu or yarhamha. My in put was merely driven the same way a human being reacts when informed about fellow human being’s demise.

          As to the deceased and his resume, I am just reading a few things about him. If his characterization of our armed struggle and its father has factually been established, he had committed a great offense to all who spilt their blood on the path he had ushered, which is naked insult to the our people.

          But still I would uphold respecting his being a human being that belonged to a family and had loved ones. They deserve sympathy from us. Otherwise we would be human beings with fossilized consciences.

          Regards.

    • Peace!

      Selam Hayat,

      May God give him eternal rest and strength to his family.

      With all due respect, the deceased is responsible for creating divisions, misleading youngs, and crippling political groups which completely against what this website stands for. And as for helping communities, almost all Eritreans including PFDJ supporters have now become community activists and are helping Eritreans with settling and guiding for a new life.

      Now, I am just curious why would you hope the Awate website to carry a tribute for the deceased who contributed to the division of Eritreans, contaminated the minds of our young by distorting our history, accused Eritrean heros to please his pro Ethiopia fantasy, and never contributed to the unity of Eritreans? By the way which community did he help could you provide the name because I know few communities in Canada.

      I do not know what are the criteria for this website to carry a tribute, but the deceased inflicted more damage than helping the unknown community. I can see pro Andenet website/TPLF doing it, but certainly not this wesite.

      Peace!

      • tes

        Selam Peace!

        I think you are too divisive by yourself. Personally I came to know about Ghirmay YeEbiyo when Gezae Hagos brought news for his passing. This is what he wrote:

        Merde’E:- HawNa Ato Ghirmay Yebeiyo dhri newih himam ab Winnipeg sLeziarefe nBeteseb mixniniNae; N’hawna Ghirmay dma ZeleAlemawi erfeti yihabo.
        Longtime human rights activist, and writer Mr. Ghirmay Yebeiyo has passed away after prolonged illness, in Winnipeg, MB. The late Ghirmay sponsored hundreds of Eritrean refugees. He is fondly remembered for advocating and helping resettle Eritrean refugees from MALTA and Libya in Canada. May he rest in peace. Consolation to his family.

        Now that Ghezae Hagos is a contributor here at awate and a known human rights activist, I fully embrace Ghirmay’s humanitarian contribution – not necessarily his political views though as I am not so far aware of his writings.

        Peace! you are Anti – Opposition. And to read what you wrote speaks more about you than our late Ghirmay. You are more a Muslim fanatic than a justice seeker. Yet, I will remember your works.

        Can’t you then at least acknowledge his humanitarian work?

        On the divisions, no matter how you accuse him, I believe he is not. You are just accusing as a continuation of “Opposing the Opposition Agenda”.

        tes

        PS: I express my condolence to all his families and close friends. Losing Ghirmay at this very important moment is paying an important sacrifice for the cause of our problems.

        • Peace!

          Hi tes,

          I seriously think you need to see a psychiatrist, your problem is far beyond alcohol. Please Don’t ever reply to my post, ስኽራም.

          Peace!

          • tes

            Selam Peace!

            Though I know who I am and thousands of people can give you a testimony about me about my sanity on being non of what you are perceiving, as I lived among thousands, it is better to be alcoholic than anti-human.

            tes

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Peace,

        It is not wise to accuse the deceased. But you are right Yebio had surely denigrated our revolution in a way to the extent he equated with bandits who steals the property of citizen. You are also right he does not meet to the value and aspiration of this website to pay tribute to him. When the website set its goals and its aspiration, anyone must meet and contribute towards the goals they have set forth.

        Since humanity and politics are different, may he Rest In Peace and wish strength to his family at this difficult time.

        Regards

        • Peace!

          Selam Emma,

          You put it very well, thank you!

          Peace!

        • tes

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

          I disagree with you. Let us take as example the case of Kunama Opposition. They had a strong stand against Idris Hamid Awate. Now we came to learn that they have changed their stance on him. Our late Girmay was a humanist than a pôlitician. As a citizen he had a right to believe on what he beliefs. No matter what his political position was, his works are strong enough to show his strong side: Human Rights Activist.

          Since 2011, he helped 115 Eritreans to settle Canada through his private sponsorship. And this is JUSTICE. I believe awate has great respect for this. He stood against injustice. His political views on history is nothing but just a method of expressing his strong rejection on crimes committed by PFDJ.

          If he had more chance, we could continue to debate with him until he changes his political views. What we could and can not change is his big heart for humanity.

          Look, awate opened its door to Mihret – though not in the camp of Justice – and one who enabled PFDJ regime to be as a government, what AT did is purely humanitarian plea of the victims of PFDJ.

          Ghirmay just needs at least our aknowledgement and appreciation for his humanitarian works nothing else. At the end, every human is evaluated on his human quality not on his/her political views. I don’t know why you failed to consider this.

          tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam tes,

            First you must read his articles to have a complete understanding of Girmay and his position on our revolution.

            Second, for me at this point I see and treat the situation on humanity base. Other than that I could not pay tribute to him for someone who was totally against the struggle I sacrificed most of adult age (from student life until now).

            Third, it is up to AT whether they should tribute to him or not in this website, if it does not contradict with their missions.

            Regards

          • tes

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I tried to search what he wrote. I found three articles. In one of his articles titled by “Awate was a trigger happy ordinary outlaw (shifta): A hero of Fascist Benito Mussolini !!!”, I found out why he wrote in response.

            This was the main reason:

            In the month of September, 2012 following a statement made by Mr. Kernelious Osman of the Kunama regarding Hamid Idris Awate, a lot of uproar has ensued. In the ensuing uproar many organizations and individuals like the Gulf Centre for Media Services, the Eritrean Solidarity Front, Meskerem/net, and other numerous individuals and news outlets have come up with articles condemning and demonizing Mr. Kernelious.

            Some have tried to tell Mr. Kernelious and by extension the Kunama people not to cross a red line which they have put. Some of them even have gone to the extent of demanding the expulsion of his organization from the so called “umbrella organization” Eritrean National Alliance (ENA). Furthermore, ENA has taken the unprecedented and undemocratic decision of suspending the organization led by Mr. Kernelious Osman, because he exercised his God given right of freedom of expression.

            These organizations and media outlets, in their attempt to create “an Awate which is beyond reproach and criticism”, they deliberately have alienated the Kunamas of Eritrea and simply told them that the pain and suffering imparted on them in the hands of Awate and his outlaw (shifta) group is not worth mentioning.

            They are simply telling these indigenous Eritrean people that they and their painful history do not matter. The Kunamas which have been the victim of an aggressive persecution by the Asmara regime through its ethnic cleansing policy have been conveniently forgotten by the mainstream Eritrean opposition groups.

            Source: Awate was a trigger happy ordinary outlaw (shifta): A hero of Fascist Benito Mussolini !!! – In defense of the Kunama version of the history of Awate and free speech

            Well, this is the reason he wrote and his back ground is basically rights to freedom of expression. He referred Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by quoting

            Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

            What he wrote later is according to his own interpreation of history. History is according the writer and is heavily influenced by political opinions. However there is always history done in the past that can not be denied. No matter how Ghirmai wrote, Awate will be remembered a man who ignited our armed struggle.

            The main push factor of Ghirmai to come with such lenghty article is in defense of the Kunama Opposition. Today Mr. Kernelious and his opposition has changed their position on Awate (as Awate.com report). By now, we could have two possibilities:

            Either Ghirmai to accept Awate’s history in regard to our armed struggle or reject. Unfortunately we don’t have chance to hear his opinion. What I can confidently say is that what he wrote are purely his own political opinion and to have such opinion is his rights.

            What we can do on our part is to counter defend Awate and to prove that Awate is not as GY described him.

            There is big difference to be considered here:

            Kunama Opposition group as a whole and GY are two different. If Kunama reject Awate’s history, it is a serious thing as it can divide Eritrean people otherwise GY’s opinion will only remain as an opinion.

            In general, WI can see that we are not so open to freedom of expression. And we are not able to differentiate individual and group opinion. The time we come to differentiate justice will prevail. So far, so many red-lines to be crossed.

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tes,
            As you know, many people die and they have their history. But this website is not an obituary website and it is guided by its principles. It doesn’t have a habit of beating on the dead and as usual, it tries to stay civilized and respect the Eritrean tradition on matters of death. Amanuel has explained it perfectly. But the damage the deceased has done is there for all to see. I think you should read his records that he left behind. And also you need to do due deligence on what he is claimed to have done before cannonizing him as a humanitarian.

          • tes

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            I didn’t read his works so far. But it will be his political opinion at the end. Political opinions are a right for everyone to be expressed. I think you can agree with me on this. Political opinions can only be defeated through counter political opinions.

            The late Ghirmay did not went further to make crimes against humanity. What he might have done is rejecting history. The good thing about such actions(rejecting history) is that history can not be rejected no matter how we hated it to be. One might have a red-line on something yet another can cross that red-line.

            Yet there is criteria to be put for evaluation:

            1. Political views
            2. Human quality
            3. Social values
            4. Deeds and actions

            GY might be with a different political opinion, to the extreme Left – to go against our monumental history yet he has three other qualities that we can deny it.

            If we believe on reconciliation and our collective history, I don’t think our political difference will differentiate us. What it can divide us most is our human qulaity, social values and our deeds and actions. How come we then not acknowledge ones work simply because his/her political views are against what we don’t believe?

            tes

          • iSem

            Hi Tes:
            I read some of his work, even with my limited knowledge on Eri history I found errors about ELF and so on. But whatever damage GY did to history pales in comparison to what Gheteb did and is doing now.
            GY was an activist, even PFDJ has once called him a fearless Eritrean during the war when he was imprisoned by TPLF and was opposing TPLF inside the prison (BY can provide info or say more on his). He came to Canada and using the free speech afforded to him, he spoke his mind, he challenged the Eri community in WP which is controlled by Lambro who is PFDJ spy like Gheteb and who like Gheteb suffers from unresolved identity issues.
            Are not we fighting for peaceful free speech, everyone to ditch his stupidity so we can bring facts to counter them? GY has some ignorance in his writing regarding ghedli and I also did not like his take on ELF as Islamic inspiration as opposed of an org that began in the lowlands and quickly became national org. But Gheteb knows our history and he is a willful enabler, spy and is one of those who snitches on diaspora Eritreans when they visit their homeland not to return back when PFDJ disappears them
            There is no proof that the whether the writing of YG and GY have damaged or if they have benefited the debate when they fearlessly stated their idea even from the comfort of the west, even if their ideas as was said by some were unoriginal.
            Along with fighting for justice we need to get used to the ideas that test our resolve and tolerance. GY and YG were good for Eri for inciting the taboo debate of questioning the very essence of Ghedli as Ghedli will shine when those who were slumbering tell their story jolted by the shock. The recent book by teachers F Hagos and Drar Mentay, the book that is gestating by Bashai and his friends, the students of BahriDar are good examples
            Now you may ask me what is the difference between Gheteb, YG and GY
            Huge difference!, Gheteb with his words and his network is contributing to the arrest and disappearance and longevity of PFDJ, which is an enemy Eri has never seen in its 120 years. Not the Italian, not the British, not HS, not Dergi has committed crimes against us like what PFDJ is doing.
            The PFDJ supporters and Gheteb have blood on their hands, this is the difference without mincing words and pretending to be polite and civilized

          • tes

            Selam iSem,

            To write history of a nation is a collective project. No single person can write people’s history through he/she can contribute to the writing of history. History is always researched, refined, tested, evaluated and then distributed. GY didn’t write history. he just used history for his own end. How he used might be heavily influenced for the means he advocate for but at the end his writings will be remembered as his. People can read him again and again to learn for what he believes otherwise it is upto the readers to take what they are looking for.

            You wrote:

            Along with fighting for justice we need to get used to the ideas that test our resolve and tolerance. GY and YG were good for Eri for inciting the taboo debate of questioning the very essence of Ghedli as Ghedli will shine when those who were slumbering tell their story jolted by the shock.

            .

            You said it beautifully. Recently I mentioned YG. My objective is not to surface what YG said in the past bu what I found in his bravity to break all the taboos and red-lines. Recently I am shaping my political philosophy in line to Modern Liberal Democracy. It is at this time that I contemplated about YG’s open mind to express his views without fear. In his time there were so many taboo subjects coming from all nationalists and people who for justice.

            My position on Eritrean history is strong. What I found in YG’s writings is not what he said against Ghedli but how bravely he expressed his views. He is more liberal. And I am liking his liberal thinking.

            Otherwise any material produced out of hate has so many flaws. GY might have flaws, mistakes and damages when he was speaking about Eritrean history. No matter what he had, it was written for the cause he fights for not for writing Eritrean history. For this I respect his political opinions as it is his right to express his ideas.

            tes

        • Ismail AA

          Ahlen Aman,
          I applaud you for separating the political from matters pertaining to human values and norms. That is the point I tried to explain to our dear sister sara in another comment.
          I was not aware of who Ghirmai Yebio was. From what I am gathering from the exchanges he was somewhat active in supporting asylum seekers in the area where he had lived. But I am sure helping 115 help seekers does not in anyway absolve him from his baseless allegatinon about heroes like father Martyr Hamid Idris Awate or any one else. I think if it has been established by facts, this will remain as cureless gaping wound on his resume because his judgement on the great martyr Awate could have only been derived from either idle hearsay, government propaganda of the time or role seekers like Qernelios people who had jumped on the bandwagon of Isayas’ Sefi Netzanet.
          Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Ismailo,

            I do not want to discuss in detail about his position on the cause of our revolution at this time when families are grieving and while humanity is gravitating us to grieve with the family, as it should be. At this time we can only convey our condolence to his family and wish them God to give them the strength they need.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,
            You are perfectly right; that is what we should be doing now.
            Thank you.

    • Nitricc

      Hayat, so you are calling for awate.com to pay a tribute to a person who calls the great Eritrean father of revolution Awate, a pandit who originated the great Eritrean movement. I know no one ever accused you for your intelligence but how do you expect for awate.com to a pay a tribute for the person who degrades the very person awate.com dedicate the web-site for the very hero of their mission? I understand you able to fool the fools, but don’t you think your request is an insult the awate.com? I dare the awate-team to comply with your stupid and insensitive requate. I dare them.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Nitricc,

        You are saying that this website could not and should not pay tribute to the deceased named Ghirmay Ye’Ebio because of his political stands on Eritrea and The Eritrean Revolution.

        We know the anti-Eritrean, Ethiopianist in the person of Hayat Adem and the call for paying tribute to a person with a similar anti-Eritrean stands. I am not surprised one bit here.

        However, check the only person who has up voted Hayat’s comment and he is non other than MS (Mahmmud Saleh). That is a revelation how low the likes of MS has sunk because of their hatred of PFDJ.

      • Abi

        Hi General
        The person worked tirelessly to help Eritreans in Canada. What did Idris Awate accomplish except starting a useless madness that sent Eritreans in every direction ?

        • Peace!

          Abish,

          Your killer Haileselassie was a humanitarian too, why don’t you request a tribute for him?

          ወዳጅ ለመቼ ነው?

          Peace!

          • Abi

            Hey Peace
            You were kicked behind your sorry azz to live his country.
            I mean you were forced to leave his country. What are you talking? You should erect a monument at Godana Harinet.

          • Peace!

            Abish,

            What has my stand on the subject to do with my personal experience? I just disagreed with your stand using a simple logic that the person you admire, Haileselassie, who committed genocide, was a humanitarian to the people he was serving too if you think that’s the only qualification for caring tribute.

            If you are frustrated that you and the people you represent are suffering from lack of leverage to have any impact on today’s Ethiopian politics, trying something else other than being ኣዝማሪ or ዘፍኝ, it is not going to change anything.

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            Blame your useless madness for it uprooted you and many others from their peaceful lives.
            You are bitter. Your anger is misplaced.
            Leave the King and Ethiopia out of this.
            አልቃሻ

          • Peace!

            Abish,

            https://youtu.be/-lUjKDYAQoQ

            Forget Politics!

            Peace!

          • Hi Peace,

            Have you any information about this type of music? I would have liked to call it ‘dirty music’. Is this a new culture or what? I wish Abi or anybody else would like to say a word or two on this. Is it modernism or moral decadence of our society? People seem to enjoy it.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Horizon,

            This is my domain, not Abi’s.

            This type of collective outlet for our “naughtiness” is one of our creativity one must admire. A “well respected normal person” would not dare express their “socially unacceptable” inner temptations in the manner as these singers do. However, our society had creating the necessary conditions to allow a certain group or individuals to do so. One reason our ancestors saw “Azmari” as a lower class is related to this kind of complications.

            We enjoy what they sing but we are too dignified to interact in that fashion ourselves. A non-Azmari talking this way would become a social pariah automatically, but it is okay for the Azmari to do so. This is a creative way of protecting society from the “moral decadence” you feared while allowing an outlet for the occasional “necessity” to be bad.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Could this be a metropolitan thing rather than a common phenomenon in other provincial towns and villages as well? From what I know azmaris are known to praise the landlord/lady and the different personalities, although most of the time they do not mean what they sing for that person. As one can see most of the audience are young addisababans, the new generation.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Horizon,

            I think it is fairly common. I have seen similar trends throughout the northern half of Ethiopia.

            The youngsters who prefer these types of entertainments are making two statements.
            1) We can be crazy without losing our decency.
            2) We must stay connected to our culture.

            Basically, it seems our young generation’s response to the tasteless vulgarism and “the less you wear the better” trend of the West.

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon,

            Surprised! When was the last time you visited Addis or DC; it is a national anthem for Abi and his likes, a million and a half viewers of that video.

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            I did not see the link. I can’t comment on it.
            I listen to only old music. I prefer music with deep messages.
            I listen to Teddy Afro from the new ones.
            I always listen to Tewodros Taddesse.
            I invite you to listen to “Zimita” by Tewodros Taddesse, 1997,

        • tes

          Selam Abi,

          This shows your stupidity. Do not think we will simply watch you inserting your dirty politics without reacting. even if we mourn, we will not stop watching.

          tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            Stupid is someone who follows a useless madness to his demise. I told you before your madness is the course of all your problems. The gentleman was busy helping Eritrean refugees while you binge drinking.
            You need hundreds of thousands like him to drag you out of your misery which your useless revolutionary madness brought you.
            Keep drinking.

        • Brhan

          Hi Abi,
          The armed struggle that you mentioned triggered the struggle of emancipation of Eritreans from the two former Ethiopian regimes and in another way affected the various diverse ethnic groups in Ethiopia to stand for their emancipation.

        • Ismail AA

          Tena YisTlgn gash abi,
          Just curious, how would what a person did to help a few years back some people for whatever motive though relate to a man who had paid 50 years ago his life for what he believed in and eventually became a reality?!. Can you compare some one lobbying for some people in need with a man who had ushered an era of struggle on behalf of an entire nation that attained victory: an independent nation regardless of the quality of the government which is just transient and sooner or later would be gotten rid of?

          • Abi

            Hi Gashe Ismail
            Give me something that convince me your revolution brought to the people and I’ll be a believer.
            The difference between the two people is one starred a revolution that brought Eritreans under the current situation. That is your Idris Awate.
            The other gentleman helped those Eritreans under a difficult situation caused by Idris Awate and his disciples.
            Ismail, please don’t preach independence while your people are under slavery. You are insulting them.

          • Ismail AA

            selam gash abi,
            With due respect, brother, what you are furious about is a government; it is not a destiny of a nation that chose to be what it chose to become through blood, sweat and toil of its sons and daughters. People like the Martyr Awate answered the call to lead and paid with their most precious thing: life. A transient mishap ( the current regime) does not justify bashing or underestimating what heroes did decades ago.
            It is like saying and doubting what Ethiopian patriots like Abebe Aregay and many others were good for nothings for their roles in liberating Ethiopia from Italian Fascism just because the post-Italian government under the former Emperor remained backward and poor during whose time victim of leprosy, other curable disease victims and street beggars were normal everyday spectacles on the main streets of the capital like Biasa.
            Regards

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hayat Adem,

      Here are some lines from the writings of the deceased Ghirmay YeEbio which were posted at Aiga Forum.

      [[ “Independent Eritrea” A crumbling nation and a tragedy, born of baseless fear, meaningless Hatred and a mountain of lies]]

      ” We can safely say that the following individuals played the most dominant role in the Eritrean struggle and could represent the different groups and other actors in the Eritrean revolution.

      1. Abdelqader Kebire – propelled by extreme hate of the Christian Abyssinian Empire

      2. Sheik Ibrahim Sultan – representing the Muslims of lowland Eritrea and who was motivated by fear of being subjugated by the Christian Abyssinian Empire

      3. Woldeab Woldemariam – consumed by extreme hate to Amharas and the Shoa dynasty

      4. Hamid Idris Awate – A criminal outlaw “Shifta” who shot the first bullet in the name of the revolution

      5. Isayas Afeworki and the students from the Christian highland who joined the struggle in droves from the middle of the 1960s up to the mid 70s, and who carried the revolution to the conclusion of its declared objective i.e. secession”.

      Yeah, just like Hayat Adem, the deceased Ghiramy YeEbio was an anti-Eritrean Ethiopianist.

      • tes

        Selam Gheteb,

        No matter how you try to count on discourses, what it shows is your anti-humanity nature.

        tes

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam tes,

          Here is how you have described the Eritrean freedom fighter just a couple of days ago:

          ” I think to label them as wenbedewoch is much more better than failing to respond this simple question”.

          As the village idiot of this Forum and as someone known to be a political bumpkin, I don’t think you realize that you are as anti-Eritrean in your political stands as Hayat Adem and the deceased Ghirmay YeEbio.

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            This anti-Eritrean accusation is old fashioned to be directed to the opposition side. You are rather Anti-Eritrean and Anti-humanity.

            Stop therefore saying your bla bla. Just know that you are a killer. And we will not accept you to kill those who fight against your regime.

            tes

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam tes,

            I told you that describing the Eritrean freedom fighters as “wenbedewoch” is going to follow you. However, the village idiot and the political bumpkin that you are, you have not realized that you have sunk deep in the anti-Eritrean pit. Don’t worry though, you are being followed by Mahmmud Saleh, MS, in sinking deep in this hole otherwise known as the anti-Eritrean pit.

      • Peace!

        Selam ‘Gheteb,

        Thank you! I just told እባቡ Abi his killer Haileselassie was humanitarian too just in case he thinks he deserves tribute here. ይገርምዪ.

        Peace!

        • tes

          Selam Peace!

          The good thing about you is that often you agree with killers than with humanitarians. And your current agreement with Gheteb is not the first time.

          tes

          • Peace!

            Hi tes,

            Please go ahead drink more water and try one more time. The point here is not about ‘Gheteb rather it is about Ghirmay Yebio’s negative role and the damage he inflicted. Plus I just told you don’t ever reply to my post. Bye!

            Peace!

          • tes

            Selam Peace!

            The good thing about me is I do what I have to do. Another very strong side of me is that I don’t ignore cowards like you.

            tes

          • Peace!

            Hi tes,

            Bye Felicia!

            Peace!

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Peace!

          Thanks for following up with this story about the deceased Ghirmay YeEbio. More than showing the true nature of the Abis and the Teses of this web site, we are being afforded a chance to get a rare glimpse into the ‘political soul’ of the likes of Mahmmud Saleh, MS.

          Here is what the deceased Ghirmay YeEbio wrote about Abdulqadir Kebire:

          ” Abdelqader Kebire – propelled by extreme hate of the Christian Abyssinian Empire”.

          Then, you have Mahmmud Saleh using the picture of Abdulqadir Kebire as his Avatar.

          What is more, is the fact that Mahmmud Saleh up voted Hayat Adem’s comment calling for this web site to pay tribute to the deceased who fell in the same wave length in his anti-Eritrean political stands as that of Hayat Adem.

          The unavoidable conclusion that one has to reach is that Mahmmud Saleh, MS, has fallen deep into this hole which is known as “the anti-Eritrean pit”.

          • MS

            Ahlan Ghehteb
            Ha…ha…Very cheap of you. Well, then, here is another socialization lesson for you ( you may as well count it as yet another revelation):
            It’s OK Ghehteb to pay your condolences to the family of the deceased. Only cowards stir up dust upon the body of the deceased. If Girmay was a ghedli basher, he is no more bashing ghedli and Eritrean history. Also his family has members who are REAL patriots. And it’s only a human nature to pay condolences. Wasn’t it PFDJ government which lodged condolences through its Addis Ababa Embassy when the late Meles passed away (obviously for a political score )? Anyway, could you cite any activity that you made to challenge him when he was alive? Well, it looks you draw energy from the beating up of individuals who can’t face you up squarely. Condolences are made to the survivors and you can’t tell them that you are more patriot. Just another social skills lesson. People are complex. One can be politically against the independence of Eritrea, but he could at the same time be helping Eritreans in a meaningful way. Another revelation for you.

          • Peace!

            Selam Mahmuday

            Please do not mix things up personal condolences are not an issue here. The point is should this website carry a tribute for the deceased Girmay Yebio despite he inflicted a serious damage to the cause this website advocates for?

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            Is this website against helping Eritreans? He helped Eritreans in Canada.
            Eritreans!!! Why are you acting dumb?

          • MS

            Selam peace
            My comment was on the sanctions, and I added one sentence sending my condolences to the family. I own up to it. Now, the issue you are talking about concerns the Awate Team. Any problem with that? I up voted Hayat’s take on the sanctions, which appears to be supporting the lifting of the sanctions, something that I have written on extensively in this forum. I hope that clarifies things.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Peace!

            The up vote of MS to Hayat Adem comments is NOT on the one about sanction but about the comment on the deceased Ghirmay YeEbio which calls on this web site to pay tribute and in effect canonizing Ghirmay YeEbio. It was this comment that MS up voted and NOT the one in sanction, which was presented from an anti-Eritrean Ethiopian perspective. Check the up votes of Hayat’s comments to see what I am talking about.

            That MS is mightily trying to be noted and noticed by the anti-Eritrean Ethiopianists says much how far deep he has sunk down the anti-Eritrean pit.

          • iSem

            Wo Gheteb:
            Let me give you that the GY bashed Ghedli from his head quarters in Winnipeg what did Gheteb do to challenge the Ghedli basher?
            Also if I have to compare Ghedli bashers pound to pound GY would be ,distant third.
            IA never pays tribute to Ghedli, never mentions fallen heroes, never reminisces about the beginning of Ghedli and even EPLF, IA by his actions and his words occupies the first place in EPLF/Ghedli bashing. IA erects a monument for a white poet, in the middle of Asmara, while there is Kibire, Awate WELWEL and many fallen heroes for Eritrea. F or that alone IA should to go to jail, not only go to jail, but the prison warden should be Semere Andom
            And the second, close second in the art of Ghedli bashing is the person who attributed the liberation of Naqfa to one man, the second place accolades belong to the person who impeaches the gallant fallen heroes as having nothing to do with the liberation of Keren while a video clearly shows that Beraki was leading the battle
            GY comes distant third for his blunders from Winnipeg, May GY rest in peace

          • ‘Gheteb

            [from the moderator: we have been observing that your abrasive comments have become a main reason for derailing civilized discourse. You can make your points without adding unnecessarily incendiary comments. Tone down and make lean comments without the extra fat.]

            iSem,

            The deceased Ghirmay YeEbio along with Hayat Adem and closely followed by certain Deqi-Wushates and lowlife criminals like you,in the final analysis , are the apotheosis of anti-Eritreanism. I have aptly described you as such many, many moons ago in one of my posts in this Forum.

            The full name of Ghirmay YeEbio is “Ghirmay Shibeshi Yeibio”, “Shibeshi” being his father’s name. You hailing from the village of Kuhli ZibEi may have a lot in common with the deceased GY and the living YG, beside your anti-Eritreanism.

          • iSem

            Gheteb:
            You cannot prove I am from Kuhli ZibEi, it is a figment in your imagination.
            But I can prove that you were born xxxxxxxxx

          • ‘Gheteb

            iSem,

            No, don’t take my comment to mean that you REALLY hail from the Eritrean village of Kuhli ZibEi. You were born to a Tigrayan, Ethiopian, mother by a father who was loitering and goofing around in the village of Kuhli ZibEi. That is all the connection you have to the village and nothing more.

            The point is that you don’t know your mother. Therefore, all your fawning adulation of any and all females in this Forum. Your anti-Eritrean Ethiopianism has its origin in you not knowing your mother save the fact that she hails from Tigray, Ethiopia.

          • iSem

            Gheteb
            I am saying you do not know ur father and all ur worship of IA is in search of a father figure because you do not know ur father Everyone know his mother

          • ‘Gheteb

            iSem,

            A foundling in the village of Kuhli ZibEi like you, doesn’t know his mother.

            Q.E.D

    • tes

      Selam Hayat Adem,

      I came to learn about his passing via Ghezae Hagos’s facebook post. It is losing one of our icon that contributed relentlesly for the struggle against PFDJ regime and his ideology.

      Nitricc, Gheteb, Peace! and many of those who care nothing about human rights but for their own hypocrite political stand is nothing but to expose their anti-humanity stand.

      I second to you for the call. I hope Ghezae Hagos will come with an eulogy. He seems to know closely for our late Ghirmay YeEbiyo. If you do know him very well, please share it with us. It is like what Mahmud Saleh did for Mihret and Beraki. Otherwise all good hearted Eritreans will be victims of these bigots like Gheteb, Nitricc and likes.

      No matter what political views he had, he stood against injustice. And this is purely human quality that needs to be remembered most.

      tes

      • Nitricc

        Tes, your hero died a natural death with Doctors and his family surrounding by his side. I am more to sympathized with young Eritreans who died in mountains of Sahil and in the fields Gash-barka. in fact, your post shows your absolute stupidity and your drunken mental state. Your are worthless.

    • Paulos

      Selam Hayatina,

      Sorry to hear. He won immortality in the hearts of 115 souls. The measure of a man they say is by the width of his shoulders where if the 115 will have seen further than others it is because they will have stood on YeEbyo’s shoulders. Small and pathetic men will always demean the giant when their papeteer denies the burial of the dead much less respect for the living. May his soul rest in peace!

      • ‘Gheteb

        Paulos,

        Here he is another anti-Eritrean Ethiopianist, Paulos, coming out of the woodwork to mourn the passing of another bird’s of a feather anti-Eritrean Ethiopianist.

        • Paulos

          ገጠብ ዓንጃል

          ሃታፍ ስቕ ኢልካ ሃተፍተፍ ኣይትበል

          • ‘Gheteb

            Paulos,

            I know that you have nothing more left to defend your political outlook any more. I see that I have reduced you to a level that the only thing left in your quiver is to hurl imprecations. A pathetic state that you find your self in, I may just add!

          • Peace!

            Paulos,

            Any helpful logic to change people’s mind otherwise that is a plain sign of defeat.

            Peace!

      • Abi

        Hi Paul
        Beautiful!!!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Paulos,

        So those of us who oppose Girmay’s stand on our revolution are “pathetic men”. Really? Wow! that will tell something about you on our revolution and our self-determination to decide our fate and to be a sovereign nation. The desire of our people to be independent with a mind to build a constitutional government, can not be equated with action of the evil regime at the helm. Anyway your comment is unbecoming of you.

        regards

        • Abi

          Hi Amanuel
          What have you done to help troubled Eritreans?
          I’m talking about real help just like the gentleman did.
          Reviewing Greek literature on ” centralized unitary government “is not considered helping troubled Eritreans.
          Actually, you want to send them to war front to oust IA. YeAbiyo helped them to resettle.
          Give me yours.

        • Paulos

          Selam Emma,

          I had someone else in mind in my previous comment but it seems emotions got the better of you when you read me wrong. That said, I didn’t agree with some of the stands Girmay took where he opted for sweeping generalizations bereft of critical assessments. To be more precise, Eritreans had every right to fight for independence and they achieved it with flying colors. My problem with YG and GY was that, their vantage point if you will was convoluted with bitter emotions where their “eureka” moment erupted when Eritrea got wounded. Instead of lifting Eritrea up, they went for full time flogging. I commend and salute him for helping Eritreans in their dire moments and for his tireless work in exposing the regime for what it is. May his soul rest in peace.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Paulos,

            Welcome back! I missed you. Where did you leave Amde?
            As you were!

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            Thank you Sir! Been busy. Ain’t fun without the one and only Amde. Hope he comes back soon.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Paulos,

            This is a classic example of “pseudologia fantastica”, a lying liarr lying through his teeth.

          • Paulos

            Gheteb,

            Don’t you get it when people are trying to ignore you? OK I let you have it. I am impressed with your sophistication and intellectual depth. The thing you said about fantastica, it has a nice ring to it not sure what it means though. I remember falling in love with “Osteogenesis Imperfecta” when I first heard about it back in school. I am sure you heard of it for you said you went to Med School.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Pseudologia fantastica has a nice ring to it and it is a perfect fit for you.

            Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica and mythomania) is a behaviour of habitual or compulsive lying. It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck.

          • Selamat Paul,

            “Mr. Fukayama YOU!” I surely will not ignore Paul’s delivery of Miracle #Three. Welcome back, you have been missed as is my Sire Pillar X.

            I congratulate you Paul, Saay7 and Amde in dispensing your dutyies of fate, a necessary and vital role. Energy now flows between Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            Having said that I will voice my distaste or opposition of ignoring a single Individual Eritrean. My basis being this: Justice denied to a single individual is JUSTICE denied to a single group and equates to JUSTICE denied to all. I may be biased by Minister MaHmud Sherifo, ignoring that has traumatized and bruised my ego. More importantly, the INJUSTICE of the then ignoring as proof to what I believe lead to the absence of Justice for all Eritreans. Further more, despite my cleare OPPOSITION to Gheteb’s numerous , what I at times feel are belligerent, bullying and his role of CHAMPIONING the PFDJ’ power play and as the General in command megaphone t strategic narrative, which is justifiable to a certain respectful degree.

  • said

    Greeting
    My sympathy’s to Haj Mohammed Families.
    For Iasais the stage was clear. After early 70th, his manifesto first NEHNAN AL-Manan accomplished it full mission. The 2nd part mission of Isaias Aneyen Elmay I and my Mission, post independent. The Origins of Isaiassim and start of Totalitarianism. The second part after of his mission after independence was shaped.
    started with unwanted Eritreans. those already Eritrean suffered the obliteration of their identity in exile, first Eritrean refugee in Sudan were his causality, Isaias refused to take them back , Isaias orchestrated the dispossession of their ancestral land and their properties was giving to his favorite and inner circle minions.
    And this beside at the cost of huge losses in lives and a decent future lives expected by refuges to live .as a result of the creation of Isaiassim The lingering deep pains of loss are so poignant, so real; very difficult to overcome for Isaiassim to entertain any potential pragmatic resolution of the Eritrean refugee to let them returning home was an act of treason – a starting point of Isaias among many act of crime to come . the injustices and land distribution and Resettlement continuing unabated; expropriation of lands owned by Eritrean refugee in Sudan is given freely.

    And yet yes you meet Eritrean individuals, in diaspora they live by universal value, despite their political ideology , religious, langue and cultural differences, they all had common traits—a profound commitment to the justices, to humanity and the truth,they are incorruptibility, dignified. Courageous, a distrust of corrupt power of Isaias, a hatred of dictatorship, oppression and violence and a deep empathy that was extended to all our people who were different from them, they come from Eritrean dominant Reich culture, even if Isaias defined them as the enemy, they refuse Iasaisism ,they support human rights, social democracy, peace and justices,

    To resist Isaiassim radical evil is to endure a life that by the standards of the wider society is a failure. It is to defy injustice at the cost of your future, your government career, your reputation, your financial rowen and solvency and at times your life. It is to be a lifelong not belonging and to be come heretic. IN the era of Isaiassim, the truth is totally obscured. Isaiassim supporters and followers, they are blind to fact. They are utterly cruel, militaristic and idiotic. Isaiassim they hate democracy, freedom of speech and an open media. Isaiassim they take power by fomenting hate and division among Eritrean. Isaiassim is school of a classic fascist,
    The Ruling class of PFDJ criminal institutions—the Isaiassim state, the Isaiassim press, the Isaiassim church, the Isaiassim mosque the Isaiassim army — Isaiassim mouth the language of imorality, but all they serve the structures of Isaiassim power, no matter how venal, which provide them nothing , symbolic status and authority.—all of these corrupt Isaiassim institutions, are enabler and complicit through their silence and their active collaboration with the evil Isaiassim. All the Ruling PFDJ criminal institutions, including some academia and religious are inherently evil and demonic.

    Any Eritrean opposition life dedicated to resistance has to accept that a relationship, compromise or cooperation with Isaiassim with PFDJ institution will be short lived and temporary, because sooner or later that Isaiassim PFDJ institution is going to demand acts of total silence and obedience your conscience will not allow you to make. To be a rebel is to reject what it means to succeed, but in saiassim PFDJ institution mafiaos system and political culture.
    The Isaiassim demand unconditional loyalty, it demands of Eritrean citizens submission, including those who lives in diaspora lackeys and obedient for Isaiassim . yes ― after 26 year they evolved into a functional equivalent of worshiping Isaiasism sort of religion and they rely on the leader of Isaiassim . There’s no individual apart from Isaias.
    Isaias The student of chairman MAO and criminal Bolshevik, his communist ideological leanings and apolitical in the extreme with a long bloodstained history. The serious killer and today is surrounded by many of his most criminal cohort and notorious punch Mafioso. yes, and they have committed all sorts of terrible acts. some of the worst criminal in Africa. Isaias who did whatever it took to preserve his regime and stay in power. how Asmara government” is little more than an extortion racket run by PFDJ gangsters. Pay to Play? and Cash and Carry? Anything goes as along as you pay . For years have paying all kind of fees and yet nothing to show for while the decaying and dying capital city Asmara lacked such basic services as electricity and running water, let alone the rest of Eritrea. Isaias overseeing so much misery and suffering, that Eritrea should rightfully called a failed state. an already dysfunctional system. where any of his minion’s political involvement often led to corruption, prison, torture, and death any of his remaining minions they find out soon.
    Time of welcome is over, Isaias will no longer be honored with such adulation as May of 1991, instead you see him the inside of a prison he built, where he belongs.
    AS story unfolds, the momentousness of the history being told will reveals itself in a manner similar to a new orchestrated wave film. an idea of the individual’s ability to transcend his reality and wrongly and unconditionally believing to do whatever one wants. This in itself makes it profoundly more breathtaking, and equally criminal persona. It is a story of on man I.E. ISAIASISM

    the year 1991. watched, waited and organized; they knew their moment was high. Yet once the Isaiassim die is cast, we are witnessing its major consequences.
    We pry and hope, yet our People are very surprised, confused they become indignant, about Isaiasism
    They say: Oh God what have we done wrong ,what did we do wrong, how awful Isaiasism,How strange Isaiasism ! Isaiasism in the beginning it did maaterd to us ,it does not matter and Butwe never mind—it’s Isaiasism PFDJ, it will soon pass!’we believed so like speeding train And they pray and wait, and they hope for a change to come by miracle no need to lift a stone ; and they wonder and hided the truth from themselves and even from their inner soul, their value and truth deeply buried , that it is Isaiasism barbarism, the ultimate and supreme barbarism, the crowning Isaiasism barbarism that sums up all the daily Isaiasism barbarisms; that it is Isiasism yes, yes we know some they served him and obeyed his criminal order but unfortunately and sadly that before they were its very victims, they inflected to so many innocence Eritreans , they were its accomplices; that they accepted and tolerated that Isaiasism before it turned around and Isaiasism inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their mind ,heart and eyes to it, they shut their conciseness. they legitimized Isaiasism, because, until then, it had been applied only to poor and helpless peoples; that they belong to different cultural or ethnicity and or even to dominant cultural group and have cultivated that ISaiasism , that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole edifice of and entire Eritrea, Habesh civilization in its reddened hot creep waters, it, seeps, and trickles from every corner and every cracking Isaiasism manifesto . Yes, we contemplate and deeply reflect, atone, regret it would be worthwhile to study Isaiasism clinically, were did we go wrong in detail, the steps taken by Isaias and Isaiasism and to reveal to the very distinguished, very unhumanistic, very criminal PFDJ new oliguric class, backward feudal bourgeois of the twentieth one century. that without they being very conciseness and aware of it, those cohort and minion and hard core supporters they have Isaias inside them , that Isaias inhabits them , that Isaias are their evil demon, that if they rails against Isaias , they are Isaiasism and they being inconsistent and that, at very bottom, what we cannot forgive Isaias for is not the crime in itself, the crime against Eritrean dignity ,even to some against EPLF Tegadealty , it is not the humiliation of Eritrean society at large, human value as such, it is the real crime against all of us , the habish man and woman, the high landers and lowlanders ,in between , the Christian and Muslim . the utter shame, the degradation, oppression, subjugation and humiliation and dehumanization of Eritrean proud man and woman, brought to us all by Isaias and Isaiasism.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Guys,
    While remembering the political prisoner and praying for the end oh his and his family’s suffering, I want to share with you a new development that seems poised trending in the days to come.
    I heard the UN sanction on Eritrea is going to be written off soon. The irony is that the country that introduced it is tabling a proposal for lifting it. That is the UK. Strangely, there was a consultation between Ethiopia (also member of the UNSC) and the UK. A person in the know of the exchanges hinted that Ethiopia didn’t oppose the move. Even if it opposed, Ethiopia could be outvoted numerically as it has no a veto status. I am not sure as to what is prompting these changes. I am also told, Eritrea will be fully readmitted to IGAD. Here too, I am not sure if this has anything to do with new policies Ethiopia was tipping recently. Opposition forces should assess the impacts of these developments in preparation to adjust to the upcoming realities.
    In my opinion, the lifting of the sanctions is a good riddance. The sanction was more of symbolic than substantial. But the regime has been exploiting it for all its failures to deliver services and development. Of late, i started thinking that the sanction was more of a hiding niche and usable excuse for the regime’s dereliction of duty, but with zero punitive impacts as intended initially. I think the regime was using it effectively for justifying its miserable performance and total fallowing and for infogandizing and mobilizing its supporters.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hayat Adem,

      You are indeed immersed neck-deep in the damage control PR of your Weyane’s defunct politics. I think it was added to your job description of “water-carrying responsibilities for the Weyane regime”.

      Couldn’t you at least wait until there is an official confirmation about the lifting of the sanction on Eritrea? Why such a mad rush in your part and those whispering to you so as to carry out your responsibilities?

      Could this be a part of a pre-emptive damage control PR? Yeah, right Ethiopia did not oppose the lifting of sanction? Do you take us for a chopped liver or what?

      Why are you now trying mightily to minimize the effects of sanctions in Eritrea now after it was engineered by your Weyanes it with those in the Obama admin.?

      There is more to your grandstanding and your pre-emptive PR pose than meets the eye.

      This is a mere ‘Gheteb’s Bits and Bytes type of a rejoinder, and mark this, and you should never misconstrue it as an attempt in my part of engaging you in a serious exchange the reason being that I have decided a long ago to only engage those who do not fit that category of “the water carrying donkeys of the Weyane regime”.

      • iSem

        Hi Gheteb:

        Oh!! Hayat Adem will commit suicide because you adamantly refuse to engage her in a serious exchange. Such are the things one says when their heads are so swollen by their imagined proximity with IA, but mark my word, the imagination will come to haunt you.

        And then you said, “Couldn’t you at least wait until there is an official confirmation about the lifting of the sanction on Eritrea?”
        I am sure many are having belly laugh at that for this to come from someone, who could even wait until Mihret Eyob was buried before calling her “none-entity” and her husband, Tsehaitu
        But when you are PFDJ, you do not feel shame, because shame does feel shame, you are the very embodiment of shame

        • Thomas

          Hi iSem,

          If this “gahtaf” stops talking, it is a blessing. He really is a disgrace to anyone who is around him. Calling this guy an ignorant is like a bless, he is just a let out criminal. These kinds of people should have never been on the streets or on prestige forums like awate.com

          • iSem

            Hi Thomas:
            Actually it is a blessing he is talking instead of suppressing it, not we care if he suppressed his stupidity and malice, but we are getting an insight from the inside. When they talk they help us gain information gauge how prevalent is their thinking, as you can see, they are endangered species but very potent to create havoc. Gheteb epitomizes PFDJ, they can go so low that they do not see the consequence of their action in their future, the future of their kids, they cannot see that because there is brain damage of sorts Once dust settles, peace reigns, harmony looms, they will try to be part of it, they will concoct lies about how they belonged to this and that movement that made these virtues happen. they would are docile and agreeable, but will stab u in the back. IA never defends an idea in a meeting, he would never convince anyone, but then after the meeting is over he would work hard to push his agenda, that is how Gheteb operates. Gheteb a coward and cruel and devoid of the Jeberti sensibilities that brought him up

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            How true! I never saw it that way. It looks like Gheteb is a mirror reflection of the mafias. “Besalla ezi’Atom ena N’dhrit kem shinti gemel terrifna zelena”. Our has become the number one in refuge producing country. What else can we expect from the kinds of Gheteb?

        • ‘Gheteb

          iSem,

          This is what I wrote about Mihret.

          ” Miheret Eyob was literally a non entity in the anti-PFDJ’s political conversations. She was never mentioned and none of those who are now profusely eulogizing her have ever invoked her name. Even those ex-EPLF Deqi Wushate (ደቂ ዉሻጠ) EPLF fighters said nary a syllable about Mihret before her passing away. But now they are bloviating about her in the hope of using her name as a crutch of making some political hay in her name”.

          You got it wrong as you failed to apprehend what was written.

          That is why I have recommended that you attend an Intermediate Level ESL Class.

          Q.E.D !

        • Hotep iSEM,

          Read your first sentence. Poor taste.

          tSAtSE

          • iSem

            Tsatse, prove it, u are the arithmetic guy

        • tes

          Selam iSem,

          I think you are risking yourself. Why are you trying to bring Hayat Adem? Don’t you enjoy exchaging with this great man named “Gheteb”? I don’t know why you want to be ignored?

          tes

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat,
      Your observation of the new development is outstanding.

      To paraphrase about the past 1) after the demise of the Ethiopian military government, relationships between the ethiopian and eritrean ruling classes would be described as peaceful but at the same time chaotic–caused by their multiple divergent social and economic policies 2) they failed to trim, in a timely manner, seemingly opposite views on critical policy issues 3) the absence of cool mind/minds among the members of the key leaderships exasperated the volatile situation of the post 1993 eritrean independence referendum and both “happily” entered into the vortex of a mutual annihilation war. As a stop gap, the Algiers agreement with the collateral arrangement was signed; the Era of no-war-no-peace brought the two countries to the year 2017.

      These two countries survived a prolonged war of attrition against each other. So far so good; A sort of stagnation without a clear winner.

      Currently, the geopolitics of the region is changing fast. A lot happened in Ethiopia along the “Killil” or “ethnic flavoured” federation; the “Wereda” administrative units are becoming the pillar of governance and important service centers. The economy looks to head towards an open market with a cocktail of party owned/affiliated business entities, private–occasionally unlawfully privileged–companies; a notable size of foreign direct budget support, and investment was observed.

      In Eritrea the government focused on building a centralized nation with administrative provinces; Sawa experienced substantial investment to make it the incubator of the new Eritrea. The economy witnessed a rapid transition to a centrally managed and monolithic “rhyolite type aggregation”; self reliance is the the core concept of the government’s policy; even though a clear and universal definition of “self reliance” is more elusive than clear beyond doubt. The national service of the country created a conduit to hire labourers/skilled workers at way inferior wages and salary compensation by the sole corporate company of the country, the PFDJ.

      When you look at the current investors of the two countries : you would find China, Canada, Arab Gulf countries…. The global/ semi-global backers of the two nations looks to be the same countries.

      How to go into the future? Is it worthy to further waste time like the past 15 to 20 years? I think the answer is big NO. Mutual annihilation shall not be used as a guiding principle of a party or a country. There must be a sort of cohabitation for the two countries.
      Thanks

    • MS

      Dear Hayat
      Thank you for not only sharing the news but also for clarifying your position on the sanctions. I have always argued that the sanctions served PFDJ more than they served the opposition camp or even Ethiopia. I hope that the next natural step for Ethiopia will be to fully implement the border ruling. Those steps will enhance Ethiopia’s image among Eritreans and the world, will contribute to peace and security of the region, and will certainly contribute to future smooth and balanced cooperation of peoples of the region. On the other hand, these measures will hit back at PFDJ’s excuses of flaunting rule of law. Yes, you may hear arguments that these and similar measures will embolden IA and make him appear as a winner. That’s a shortsighted premise. In the long run, Eritreans will focus on the main cause of their misery. They will counter-argue that PFDJ did not have to plunge the nation in sanctions and international condemnations in order to “safeguard” sovereignty; it didnot have to abuse Eritreans in order to build mini dams, etc. All the above could have been done with a moderately civil government.
      Anyway, any measure that avoids conflicts between peoples should be supported.
      My condolences to the family of Girmay Ye’ebio.

      • Nitricc

        Your majesty; there is a great song about the very subject at hand and the point of this discussion, that is the song of Wedi-Tikul. NaAna Zibeliwo Nabatom Tetwyu. The idea of the sanction was to sink Eritrea for good and simply to turn Eritrea in to Somalia. little do they know, the hardship they envisioned for Eritrea, came to bite them right on their behind. The truth is that Abay Weldu, the president of Tigray is busy putting out fire allover Tigray. As we speak, all over Tigray in every town hall meetings the policy of no war no peace are questioned and in every town hall meeting the wisdom of their leaders by every Tigryans. The Tigryans are demanding to the end of the no war no peace stupid strategy. They are demanding to the end of this policy not that they cared about Eritrea but Eritrea successfully foiled the evil plan of the weyane. Credit when credit due, please give the man in Asmara who played it to the perfection. Give the man his due, he won, hands down. so, i am not surprised by hayat’s change of her tune. The Tigryans are feeling the hit and they are demanding to end the no war no peace policy. once again PIA held its ground and brought the stupid weyane to their knees. when Hailemaryam deselagn forced to say “we are changing our policy on Eritrea,” he was waving the white flag to the strong man in Eritrea.
        As always Eritrea will prevail. believe! we supposed to be dead but Eritrea is well and alive.

  • MS

    Selam All
    The legendary artist, Idris Mohammed Ali sang “Adna la’afghereina Adu lifgher” which could be translated to “May God force him out of his home that who chased us out of our homes…” and continues singing “laley wo laloy wo laleina…Asenay tre’eina wo taleina….”; he says it’s good that we have united our ranks in order to chase out that who occupies our homes so that we can live in peace….that was in 1975, Idris was young, he had dreams that one day the powerless will regain power…and justice will find a landing strip somewhere in the horn of Africa….in Eritrea….he dreamed Haileselasie would go back to his home and Eritreans would regain control of their home….and ….and as the Tigre speakers say, Eritreans would talk about their past misery…qedamitom dagmo……That was in 1974-75 (I heard it played at the end of 1975); and the birds appeared to sing along…it was a promising time….fast forward decades, Derg replaced Hailesselassie, and PFDJ replaced Derg…Eritrea has its membership in the UN, it has a seal of government, a flag….a government…but idris Mohammed Ali is no where to be found…He escaped the hands of the King and the Derg…but could not escape the hands of his comrades…he is wasting (if ever alive) somewhere in a smoldering underground….He might be singing…bedir ngus mexa egl lHxeya, wo Har dergi maxa egl lehdeya, wo har issaya maxa egl le’abdya…Entat bezHa diba mi nideya…asenay tre’eina wo taliena….
    The you have the story of Hajj Mohammed Ali…similar…both were pioneers in their own right and in their own fields…and then you have all those nameless victims who sang Eretra…Eretra…folks who dared the dark night…who crisscrossed the ragged mountains and dry plains…in search of a solution…folks who sang teKormiKa motye…asafiHka motye…Where are you Ertra?
    Thanks AT, that is a small gesture compatriots could do to the family who has been kept in limbo for 16 years…it is good to show those hurting families that we have not forgotten the difficult experience they are going through…we keep singing “mn Adna la’afgereina mn Adu lefger”…
    NB: THOSE WHO CREATE EXCUSES: I don’t think you would have said “emm. my father/brother must have done something…” And it’s ugly and abhorrent…and becoming just too lazily sectarian labeling any Muslim who has been arrested by the government as “Wahabi”; I hate to tell you this,. but I think you are losing humanity. Even a wahabi zealot deserves a day in court…couldn’t you think that way…where do you live?
    Any patriotism that you derive from the hatred you have towards others is not REAL, please….You are reminded of a basic stuff: there are people who have been disappeared for years…their children have grown without knowing where their fathers are…their parents died before knowing where they are…how about Biteweded Abraha… and Petros whose parents died looking for them hopping that God would not take them before they see their disappeared sons and daughters…Think big, be human. It’s not about the arresting, but about the denial of justice…and they say, people are innocent until proven guilty…

    • saay7

      MaHmuday:

      Now that’s one great Hateta: you should always write at 5:00 am that’s when your muse shows up.

      When I was younger, I used to think “may he/those who exiled us be exiled” lyric from Idris Mohammed Ali was too mild a sentencebut now I know the weight of his words: exile is heavy punishment. But nowhere near being made to disappear and then your own compatriots not only NOT speaking up for you, NOT remaining quiet, BUT justifying and excusing the brutal act.

      Today AlJazeera has an extensive report about Eritreans, many of them underage, flocking to Ethiopia. A story in pictures. If someone reads that and is not touched by it, well, he is…different. The story says there are 12 entry points to Ethiopia. It’s our cross section: a Kunama lady saying she has not intention of migrating further she wants to come back home; a Tigrinya-speaking elder saying that only US, Canada and Ethiopia care about Eritreans; of a kid saying he left to avoid national service. lastly, there is a kid who has build a beautiful garden in his refugee camp. He derives his sole happiness by drinking coffee in his garden in an Ethiopian refugee camp.

      It’s almost May 2017 and our people are still flocking out of the country as the PFDJ focus all its energy on PR and little on improving its governance.

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Saay,

        Regarding this endless flocking of Eritreans to Ethiopia and elsewhere, I was discussing with a friend of mine. After discussing all possible solution, he concluded with a joke. He told me “a baby who is still in the womb of his mother was communicating with her that he is reconsidering to cross the border after he comes to this world in due time, if his mother can’t do it now.” This is to tell the helplessness of our people inside that they don’t see any future in their own country. We are in a very sad circumstances.

        Regards

      • ‘Gheteb

        Howdy Cuz SAAY,

        You wrote:

        ” lastly, there is a kid who has build a beautiful garden in his refugee camp. He derives his sole happiness by drinking coffee in his garden in an Ethiopian refugee camp”.

        Here is what Al Jazeera’s James Jeffery said in his tendentious report:

        ” When I drink a cup of coffee among the flowers it feels good, says a 40- year-old John, proudly showing off the small garden around the Hitsats camp home he shares with his 10 -year-old daughter. His wife is in the US”.

        The things that left me furiously scratching my heads are:

        (1) Since when has it become okay to refer to a 40-year-old MAN as a KID?

        (2) ” [John’s], his wife is in the US”. Doesn’t this give away the real motive ( Family Reunion) as opposed to (endless National Service) and the main reason for the out migration from Eritrea?

        (3) Can you at least say something to the effect that you, SAAY, as a battle tested debater with a long track record and as someone who speaks from this vast store of erudition, you are not and could not be “bullied” by the Lilliputian nobodies like ‘Gheteb?

        • Thomas

          Hi Gheteb,

          Seriously, I have no appetite answering your nonsense questions. The reason is I think you voluntarily have chosen to become one with learning difficulties/impairments. I tried to make sense out of your number (1) comment above, “Since when has it become okay to refer to a 40-year-old MAN as a KID”. Now, how difficult is for you to see the pictures of Eritrean underage refuges Ethiopia. As a matter of fact, I can safely say in any picture taken at Hitsats camp or elsewhere, you see images of little kids in their teens. There is the highest rate youth/kids leaving the nation than the adults. This simply says a lot about the nature of national services and how national service is affecting lives of youth in Eritrea.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Thomas,

            Just from reading the jejune comments you barf in this Forum, I don’t think you have the ability to give a plausible and logically cogent response to the queries I pose. You simply CAN’T!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            Here is a poem:

            Deject jejune muck
            Underarm hollow tax cows
            Nods lone land per hoof
            Grasshopper a widower
            Yelps fable ape logy bog

        • saay7

          Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

          To avoid Adulisian-style debate, I will try to be pithy:

          1. Before your reply, I had caught myself and my tendency to call every one a kid and changed it to young man. But I can change it to a 40 yr old to be precise;

          2. I agree that there are pull and push factors for Eritreas migration. Do you attribute any of the push factors specifically to wrong (as opposed to unfortunate) Gov decisions?

          3. I don’t know the meaning of Lilliputian; I believe everybody is a somebody (nobody is a nobody) and I believe “bullying” (which used to mean taking someone’s lunch under the threat of beating him) now means criticism, thanks to the ever softening American education system.

          Ya Sheikh, Just say Jumaa Mubarek!

          Saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy SAAY,

            You may have given a pithy response, but what is this “Adulisian-style debate” you are talking about? While you can find the meaning of the term ” Lilliputian” in any reference book, this “Adulisian-style debate” phrase is something you just made up for whatever reason.

            The same goes with the word “Bully” or “Bullying”. I don’t think it was used in the context of ” the ever softening American education system” to mean as mere criticism.

            Even if that was the case, how can ‘mere criticism’ faze a battle-hardened debater like you? I mean, how is it ever possible that a mere attempt of rebuttal by the likes of ‘Gheteb is deemed as “Bullying SAAY”? I think your response begs the question big time!

            Instead of the usual “euff, euff”, now it has become the Friday thing. Amazing!

            Yeah, here is one of the commonly acceptable definition of the word.

            bully
            ˈverb
            gerund or present participle: bullying

            use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.

          • saay7

            Hala Cuz Gheteb:

            Here we go: (Round 2 ding ding ding ding ding)

            1. You invented Adulisian so I invented “Adulisian-style debate” to describe the one you practice.

            2. For an example of “Adulisian style debate” refer to your paragraphs 2 and 3: it’s a concentric circle of you quoting yourself to remind me to address something that I have chosen not to address. “Adulisian style debate” assumes that only Gheteb sets the agenda and the debator can’t score a point as that will be dismissed by Gheteb as an effort to change the subject while it’s actually an effective and accepted way of normal debate

            3. JumaA Mubarek is an ordinary “Have A Blessed Friday” that Muslims wish on one another on Fridays. Trying to lighten the load of by introducing levity is also part of ordinary (but not Adulisian) debate. Insert emoji here. Like this 😅

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            The “Adulisian style debate” you want to insert here, is conspicuously absent in this exchange, though you may want it to be or to appear so. What is unambiguously clear, however, is what one can readily espy and what is called as “The Fallacy Of Avoiding The Question or Issue” as in “distracting” and “digressing” from the question at hand.

            My follow up questions were based on the response you gave to my first question and NO I have never “set he agenda”. I was merely responding to a comment you posted and to an egregiously and patently false assertion made about bullying by some commenters here in this Forum.

          • saay7

            Cuz Gheteb:

            Round 3 (ding ding ding ding)

            The Adulisian-style debate is amply demonstrated by the following:

            When I provided my answer, I also asked you a question. I asked if you assign any role to the Gov in the migration of Eritreans. Adulisian-style you ignored the question completely and expanded your concentric circle. That is: you don’t want to debate, you want to interrogate.

            It’s still Friday morning and we are on our third exchange. Following Adulis style debate, the stunning topic—that there are Eritreans leaving their country by the thousands and asking refuge in a country that their country is at war with. By Friday afternoon will fade and we will be discussing the great grand daughter of neger.

            I am willing to play along but others who see this in other discussion forums will recognize it for what MS characterized as staged choreographed and directed from PFDJ central. I am not saying you are; I am saying your debating style is consistent with those who are.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy Cuz SAAY,

            Okay, I will vouchsafe two things here.

            (1) You are not a “battle tested debater” and “you have no track record in this field” and you are just a mere acolyte. If you want to erase FACTS, then I will play along too to move you to the answers I am looking for.

            (2) To answer the question you raised, sure there are push factors for the out migration of Eritreans. There are many other reasons contributing to this outmigration and poor governance is the least of them. From my vantage points, things like “the undeclared war on Eritrea” “economic woes and poverty”, “the grass is greener on the other side of the lawn” mindset, are the major contributors for the push factor that you are desperately attempting to underscore.

            (3) Now, what in God’s Green Earth, is this “staged choreographed and directed from PFDJ central” and how is that my ” debating style is consistent with those who are”?

            I can safely tell you that the person you are basing your assessment on is the one who is paranoid in thinking that the PFDJ to have been “following him” in the city he resides and is by now has utterly failed to substantiate his BASELESS claims about phone calls and email exchanges amongst the PFDJ supporters to which he MINDLESSLY tried to implicate ‘Gheteb.

            Now, given that and his egregiously and patently mendacious assertion that “you have been BULLIED” even makes it more pertinent to the questions at hand. Can you at least try to give an honest answer instead of answering my questions by offering “non-answer answers” and in a manner consistent with that Reagan-esque response of speak no evil or bad thing about another fellow Republican.

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz Gheteb:

            1. You giveth and you taketh away. And I was eagerly awaiting my medals for my “battle tested debater”. Is there at least a good star or ribbon for acolytes.

            2. Thank you for answering my question. Yilmedebeh, as our neighbors say.

            3. The “staged, choreographed from PFDJ Central” is the politics of personal destruction. Once someone expresses his or her opposition to the PFDJ, the “oppo research” will focus on the persons biography to deligitimize them, and not on addressing the points they are raising. And this will defy all standards of propriety following the dictum of “all is fair in love and war.” Then the assistants will congratulate themselves for “defending Eritrea.”

            4. On your last point are you saying that MS said that you, Gheteb, bullied me? I honestly don’t remember reading that. If he did, he must have written it after some Parent Teacher conference where he heard teachers gave him a 3 hour lecture about the evil of bullying. Really, Gheteb, if he did, it must be hyperbole that his alter ego, Wedi Saleh, sometimes indulges in. If your President with his police powers could not bully me, how can you? Too absurd.

            Saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy Cuz SAAY,

            Thanks for responding to my question. Here is what I was talking about “the bullying” accusation by the man who was not afraid and daunted by Ethiopian live bullets.

            “. Let Enda HishuKshuK use their MEGAPHONE in their saber-rattling and irritating campaigns; we will use sober arguments. Saleh Younis walked and LITERALLY babied him on how to behave in different social setting, he would not have a fraction of it. Look how he tried to bully the forumers, Abraham, MS, BerheY and even SAAY, etc. We should not let that. My tactic is to inflict a maximum danmage to the ideals he represent while illustrating the lives and contributions of the victims he trying to kill twice”.

            Do you see it now, the word “BULLY” written in black and white?

            What you have left unanswered is this: How does my debating style fits the one you have described as being “staged”, “choreographed” and “directed” from “PFDJ Central”?

            And, on the claims of attacking the messenger rather the message that you are alluding to about the PFDJ supporters, how and when did I do that? Isn’t it that ‘Gheteb the recipient of the lion’s share of these sorts of ad hominem attacks in this very Forum?

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz Gheteb:

            First, I would feel remiss in my duty if I didn’t mention that this article is about an Eritrean who has been in prison for seventeen years without charge and since now we are actually exchanging ideas, I hope you share with us what your feelings are about that.

            I am not going to go all Adulisian here and say what Mahmud said was that you “tried to bully” me and not “bullied” me. (That is the other defining characterstic of Adulisian style debate: nit-picking hafez al Nuqsan style. I don’t know what MS meant and I must have shefef ille halifeyo. I have a theory: bullies are extremely insensitive when it comes to insulting people but the slightest criticism and they are sulking for days) but I will ask him on your behalf now: MS what did you mean (please leave Wedi Saleh in the lobby).

            The politics of personal destruction you use? Lets see: Andeberhan, Dr Assefaw, Beraki all got it from you in the same week. That of Beraki was the worst: you did it to a man in a prison without charges since sept 2001, the same week his wife died and you did it using the lowest of the low (floating a phrase, Xehaitu Beraki, and leaving it to the imagination of the readers as to why he may have that nickname.). Everybody who abandons the PFDJ and dares to speak or gets to be celebrated is chopped down mercilessly.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            No. No personal destruction at all. You couldn’t be more wrong .

            Andeberhan, well, was given the sobriquet “Aba Khebdu” for his proclivities towards lavish and sumptuous things, such as being an epicure and a foodie. That has been around even when he was with the PFDJ.

            Dr. Assefaw, yes, he looks and ‘acts’ as Dr. Rasputin, in the sense that he gives the aura of advising others from behind the scene and not as you are misconstruing it to imply “the killer” aspect of it.

            Berakhi’s sobriquet was bestowed to him by the EPLF fighters and not me a long time ago and don’t you blame it me, but those who came up with it.

            Ah, I gave you the quote about “BULLY” and “BULLYING” and it didn’t take you that much time to pivot from “let alone you, your president can’t bully me” to captiously parsing words and phrases.

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            Not a good month for PFDJ worshippers. You gave up finally like the 13th YPFDJ, aka Bloody Gangsters, conference. You wrote:

            I don’t want to stand accused of distracting the main issues of the article. This will be my final response and, BTW, you made your points well and you[saay7] WIN the debate.

            Too late to notice that you are a distructor and to accept your defeat. Good Bye Gheteb with your PFDJ era. Hopefully you will join the Justice Camp.

            tes

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY
            Gheheteb bullying you? “Of course not”says wediSaleh. The quote he picked out had two parts:
            1. SAAY is mentioned as someone who had tried to baby Ghehteb like “Almurshed” or as a tutor/guide…in trying to make him appraise the situation that we were talking about a deceased person who was meant a lot to many and about her husband who has been held incommunicado….And you were asking Ghehteb “No, dear Ghehteb you don’t act thuggish in such a situation…you may have political differences but do it in a socially and humanely acceptable manner…”; he would not get it. The other part was a general remark to his behavior that he tried to bully forum members…But as you can see, he wants to associate himself with those who could dare bully SAAY. That’s one sign that Ghehteb is hungry to be noted. No, sir, actually, you have been the one bullying and lampooning his excellency, the Jailor-In-Chief, his makeshift party and its agents…And you don’t need any apology for that. You have done it in broad day light, standing tall…not behind the veils of pen names…and hzbi Ertra are saying “agenaE’zi wedey, proud of you”. Meanwhile, Ghehteb continues dodging the questions Gadi posed about the situation surrounding Cyham’s disappearance; and Cyham looks straight into his eyes; there she is smiling at him…I guess she understood his nature more than we did, she does not seem to be pleading to him to answer SaleG’s questions…she seems to be smiling at his….
            So, No, he can’t personally bully you and I did not mean that. I was referring to his audacity to try to control the forum and subdue members by sheer arrogannce. Tigrigna speakers say “Hasotn snqn Enda Haderu yfeKsu.” The booster that is rocketing Ghehteb is full of defect fuels; and as the Tigrigna saying’s translation shows: the lies and rations diminish as time goes by. I hope That one day he will come to his senses and apologize to the children of BeraKi; I also hope he apologizes to you for Making you to put up with his behavior….I hope….and I hope Ciham makes it out and pinches his ear…”Uncle, why did you have to do that….how come you forgot about me? I was just 15 years old…What had politics to do with a 15 years old teen?”
            2. Ghehteb is aching that I called him a megaphone. And alluded as if I said he was exchanging emails and faxes to track me down…Haha…What did the donkey say? No, Ghehteb, I was saying in order for you to tarnish BeraKi…you must have been busy exchanging emails and faxes…not to threaten me. Now, straighten that up. I’m able to defend myself in any manner legal…including standing my ground…this is America. It’s not PFDJ territory. You guys have no guts to trespass my space be it my property or public space…So, rest assured, it came in way of defending BeraKi, the defenseless man whose name you have been ravaging at will. PFDJ thugs are not capable of threatening us here. Just get that. You are welcome to my house Ghehteb, you just need to come through the door, announcing.
            3. After all the jacks are in the boxes
            And the clowns have gone to bed
            You can hear happiness staggering on down the street
            Footsteps dressed in red
            And the wind whispers Mary
            A broom is drearily sweeping up the broken pieces of yesterday life
            Somewhere a queen is weeping
            Somewhere a king has no wife
            And the wind, it cries Mary…(Jimi Hendrix)
            Thanks to PFDJ the fortunes of Eritrea and Eritreans have been reversed. A promising nation has been reduced to a a textbook example of what could ever go wrong while the components (variables) to write a story of a success had been assembled through the labor and blood of citizens…where the fortunes of real heroes have been reversed…where families of victims keep crying Mary…And the likes of Ghehteb who don’t miss seeing their elusive idol driving a land rover days after the liberation of Keren and giving speech….could not see the the misty eyes of MeHret Eyob and Ciham….looking straight back at their lies, penetrating the it thick skin and their frozen soul…challenging them…Is this why my father…my husband…..myself spent years of their prime time? The likes of Gheteb also could not miss seeing their idol driving through the city of Keren during the last days crisscrossing the city….appearing to be acting as the last man standing….but fail to see a 90 years old man hunkering in the dungeons without any family contacts and supports…unaware of what his crime could be….and they say he was a national security risk….that’s PFDJ land…you have to be to develop a special skill in order to crack open their mindset…everything is upside down….and the wind cries Mary….

        • Mez

          Dear Gheteb, on your point #2:

          Under “business as usual” condition this person shall not be out side of his country to immigrate to the U.S.A. The presence of his wife is sufficient legal base to bring him to her–after the proper document filing.

          As the writeup implies, he cannot do this legal family reunification processing from Asmara, Eritrea.

          That is the most heart breaking dysfunctions of the the Eritrean government.

          Thanks

      • iSem

        Hi MS an Sal:
        I understand what u mean about changing ur thinking about exile. But I used to think and still thing of this song and Amleset’s “… edom aysaanu” mere “mergem”
        So, MS, my favorite song is by the revolutionary schools Tigre song, where a young gumps with his sword and slays a dergi soldier and then he point his sword to the fallen soldier and sings this: “min addina lefgerrena,,, wo rahmet rebbi lekel’ena kenna ta sirayuuuuuuuuuuuuu”

  • Selamat,

    Mama said knock ’em out.
    ولد حابوبا

    The STAND ONِ ِ17
    أبو عاشرا
    Weapon X.
    Evolution

    AmErGitSAtSE Azilo40 Agnieya
    سبعا وتمانين
    tSAtSE

  • KBT

    Selamat
    Maybe he was preaching the wahabi
    And he was a treat for the eritrean unity in this time of external attack.
    So why you guys care so much for individuals than a hall country that is in war footing to defend itself from the criminal tplf regime.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam KBT,

      A government doesn’t hide the whereabouts of her citizens for a single day. What we have in Eritrea is a shiftu group not a government which certified by the international community. As a citizen he has the right to preach his religion and no one can dictate to him what to preach. Islam is Quran and Suna and no Muslim scholar should deviate from the Quran and Suna teachings. Wahabi doesn’t have special Islam that makes it a different Islam. In your comment you have exposed you ignorance about Islam.

      Al-Arabi

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Hameed,

        I do not know what Haj Mohammed Ali Mahmoud is accused of.

        You said: “Wahabi doesn’t have special Islam that makes it a different Islam.”

        Would you allow a Wahabi to mix religion with politics?

        • Peace!

          Selam KB,

          You said: “I have no idea about what Haj Mohammed Ali Mahmoud is accused of.” Then, ironically, you asked a question that is totally irrelevant perhaps to deviate the subject. I mean are you interested to know about the subject and make a conscious conclusion, or reading people’s comment and trying to find weaknesses to score cheap points is your priority here in this forum? Plus Haji Mohammed is one of the thousands of innocent citizens languishing in prison, Is it hard for you to take that into account and make conclusion?

          Peace!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Peace,

            A very moody response, indeed.

          • Peace!

            Hi SK,

            Well, in that case, I strongly prefer “moody” over “deceptive” because a vicious criminal cannot be an accuser at the same time.

            Peace!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Peace,

            You are moody and deceptive at the same. Your tantrums seem to be designed to mask your desire to skirt past the question I raised. Be a man and answer it!

          • Peace!

            Hi SK,

            1. Please try to be a bit creative because you this you that and asking personal question is typical PFDJ style and too ghetto for this forum.

            2. Indeed your comment was deceptive for the very obvious reason because the vicious criminal PFDJ cannot be an accuser, a judge, a police, and a prosecutor at the same time.

            3. It is totally fine to use PFDJ’s criminal records and credit reports and make a conscious judgment because in the absence of accountability and the rule of law, there is no such thing as due process for a dying prisoner to make his case.

            Peace!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Peace,

            If you want to fight the PFDJ, you have to be practical, not just a perpetual windbag.

          • Peace!

            Hi SK,

            ኣንታ ሓውና ብ “YOU” ዲኻ ተጠሚቕካ ጦቕ እኳ ኣቢልካና! Is it that hard to focus on ideas and make your points? All I said was a criminal cannot be an accuser therefore your judgment is flawed. If you can’t comment on that, don’t bother it is not mandatory to reply.

            Peace!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Peace,

            You wouldn’t know a flaw from a flow. If you have issues with PFDJ, go and fight them, don’t be a perpetual windbag. All talk no action.

          • Peace!

            Hi SK (Mr. YOU),

            No. I have issues with your poor judgement, and I am appealing to you to regain your consciousness, it is easy ስው መሆን ብቻ ነው የሚፈለገው.

            Well, I am now convinced that you and ‘Gheteb are ካብቶም እንዳ ፈለጡ ዝጽይቑ ምኻንኩም and I see no good reason to go any further. Just stick around we certainly need dogs to Catch and kill snakes. Adios!!

            Peace!

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Peace!

            You just can’t help it. Can you? Why are you bringing me up when you should be addressing your response to the person you are discussing with.

            To say that ” you and ‘Gheteb are ካብቶም እንዳ ፈለጡ ዝጽይቑ ምኻንኩም and I see no good reason to go any further”.

            Your response fits this Tigrigna adage felicitously.

            ” ባዕልኽን መምጻእቲ ደርፊ፣ ባዕልኽን መጥፋእቲ ደርፊ”.

          • Peace!

            Hi ‘Gheteb,

            No. With all due respect, I was just telling him you guys have one thing in common, at least both of you are suffering from acute stubbornness, and as for moving forward, debate can’t substitute for rehab.

            Come on! Aren’t good friends like mirrors?

            Peace!

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Peace!

            You see, from where I am standing, I have NOT said that you, Peace! and Thomas are like the conjoined twins of Craniopagus twins. Nor did I even imply that you conjure up the images of “ክናናን ምናናን”. I simply didn’t because you are my interlocutor here and not Thomas.

            That is what I am talking about and NOT about “rehab” or “good friends”.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            The Thomas and Peace [Tweedledum and Tweedledee] double act accompanied by Scottish bagpipes goes as follows:

            Tweedledum and Tweedledee
            Agreed to have a battle;
            For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
            Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
            Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
            As black as a tar-barrel;
            Which frightened both the heroes so,
            They quite forgot their quarrel.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Peace,

            All talk, no action. Perpetual windbag.

            If you want to fight the PFDJ, I am willing to contribute money for your one-way ticket to Eritrea.

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I have up voted you because of your excellent points above. I suggest you focus on hitting the criminals in your own country abusing your own friends, family and relatives first. You cannot have multiple enemies at one time and win over them. Our mafias are good at creating multiple enemies (USA, Djibouti, ethiopia, EU, AU to mention some). These world known criminals turn around and say the enemies they created are the enemies of our country, Eritrea.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Than you for the vote of confidence. The thing is though this forum is too diversified, in terms of views and attitudes, to focus on one issue.

            Peace!

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Thomas,

            Because the likes of “USA, Djibouti, Ethiopia, EU, AU…” have opted to use you as their “USEFUL IDIOTS” doesn’t mean that these countries or organizations are not or have never been inimical to Eritrea. In fact, most, if not all, of their stances has been antithetical to the real aspirations/interests of Eritrea.

            To mouth anti-PFDJ rigmarole is one thing and denying and revising FACTS quite another.

          • Selamat Gheteb,

            Rigmarole: Pertaining

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selamt Tsa Tse,

            You know, in the Bailey and Minnesota Papers, The Winthrop Files, The Winspear Documents and The Dartmouth Notes, I am required to respond to questions pertaining to “words”, “concepts” and ‘Neologisms”.

            (1) neologism
            noun
            a newly coined word or expression.

            (2) rigmarole
            ˈnoun
            a lengthy and complicated procedure.
            “he went through the rigmarole of securing the front door”
            synonyms:
            fuss, bother, trouble, palaver, ado, pother, song and dance, performance, to-do, pantomime, hassle, folderol
            “the rigmarole of dressing up”
            a long, rambling story or statement.
            synonyms:
            tale, saga, yarn, shaggy-dog story; informal spiel
            “that rigmarole about the house being haunted”

            (3) pertain
            verb
            gerund or present participle: pertaining
            be appropriate, related, or applicable.
            “matters pertaining to the organization of government”
            synonyms:
            concern, relate to, be related to, be connected with, be relevant to, regard, apply to, be pertinent to, refer to, have a bearing on, appertain to, bear on, affect, involve, touch on
            “developments pertaining to the economy”

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan Hameed,

          I must remind you that there are many sects within Islam–the Wahabbi sect considers Sufis, apostates (Kuffar) and the majority of Eritreans are Sufis, I am one! They do not tolerate Shia Muslims, the main conflicts that was reignited after the fall of the Shah of Iran and has been crippling Muslim nations ever since almost four decades, when the political differences became intertwined with doctrines. These are just a few examples: there are different versions of interpretations, though the Quraan is one.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh J.,

            Hameed claims that the “Wahabi doesn’t have special Islam that makes it a different Islam.”

            I know, from their actions, that Wahabi mix religion with politics. I wanted to know if Hameed approves politicisation of religion.

            I agree with you that the Wahabi dislike other sects including the philosophically inclined Sufis.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Saleh Johar,

            I would like to bring your attention that Islam ruled as a nation for more than 1200 years. The conflicts you see in the Islamic world is created by the West when they occupied the Islamic world before hundred years only. All religions were living peacefully in the Islamic world before the intervention of the West in the region. The moment the West pull their hands from the Islamic world you will not see different sects or conflicts in the Islamic World. In Islam as far as a person believes that there is no God but Allah no one has the right to label him as Kafir. In Islam you have the right to make researches, if you are correct you are rewarded for your correct ideas and research efforts, and if you are not correct you are rewarded for your efforts. This means different scholars don’t make different Islam.

            Islam is not just a religion of worship at mosques, because every effort you make for developing life is also considered a worship to Allah. Islam rules the entire life of a Muslim whether be in the Mosque or outside the Mosque. Islam is not just five times prayers which is confined at Mosques, Islam also organizes the social and political life of a Muslim. You work to earn money with the intention to make a family and bring up good children who worship Allah is considered a worship to Allah. You plant a nursery plant is considered a worship to Allah. You bring pleasure (smile) to your friends is considered an alms in Islam.

            A Muslim is requested to fight back injustices and bring justice and the rule of law, this is considered the highest level of sacrifice. A Muslim should fight for the freedom of all human beings and always should stand on the side of the abused. Islam is prayers, social life and politics.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            You said: “The conflicts you see in the Islamic world is created by the West when they occupied the Islamic world before hundred years only.”

            This is not entirely true, you are only painting a rosy picture of distant Islamic history. The Sunni/Shi’a split occurred immediately after the death of the Prophet Muhammad on the issue succession. The Caliphs Omar, Uthman, Ali and others died through assassinations by other Muslims. Almost the entire family members of the Umayyads were assassinated with some managing to escape to Spain.

            All the above and many more civil wars occurred among Muslims long, long, long before the West became a force to be reckoned with.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hameed AA, I thought it is the terrorist networks of Al-quaida, ISIS, Al-shabab, Boko Haram, etc. that are wreaking havoc both in the Middle East, Africa, and other parts of the world. How come you blame the West for the ills in the Islamic world? If these terrorist networks, as well as most of the Arab govts cannot govern with justice and give rule of law, equitable wealth sharing, etc. to those people under their control, then what kind of miracle could we see when “the moment the West pull their hands from the Islamic world”?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Abraham H.

            It is very difficult for a person stuffed highly with the propaganda of the West to understand easily the nature of the problem in the region. All the groups you have mentioned are created by the West; all the practices of the those groups are against the teachings of Islam. It is an Islamic to kill innocent people and demolish churches and mosques, and above all it is a sin to perform suicide in Islam. In Islam Allah selects you as a martyr not you select yourself by committing suicide.

            Al-Arabi

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abraham,
            You are falling into the pit where many in the West have fallen:-)

            You said the Muslim world when you mean the Arab world which is a tiny fraction on the Muslim world. For Gods sake, India and Indonesia might have more Muslims than the entire Arab Muslims.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam SGJ, i was just borrowing Al-Arabi’s use of the term ‘Islamic World’, otherwise, it is clear to me that the Arab world is just a part of the entire Moslem population.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahln Ustaz Hamid,

            Dear Abu Hmeid, thank you for bringing what you mentioned to my attention—but honestly, I am a bit disappointed, certainly you do not think of me that naïve not to know the basics! But thank you anyway 🙂

            First, I beg of you to separate history of Muslims (their power struggle, their greed, their goo deeds, etc that did as humans) and Islam. Also, I beg of you to separate culture, and faith in Allah, including religious rituals and societal traditions. One more thing, I have nothing to argue with you concerning the Quraan which is the basic tenet that all Muslims adhere to. However, when we address “narrations”, as told by fallible human beings, there are tons of worms in the can. That and traditions are what is crippling Muslims and has been crippling them for centuries.

            A few years after the death of the prophet, political differences took the center space and it was often resolved with gruesome violence. That has nothing to do with Islam as a faith, but was the result of traditions, worldviews and personal political interest.
            I agree with you that the West, mainly the British and to a lesser extent the French, have a lot to do with the problems that the Middle East is suffering from. But all that (excluding earlier conflicts and rivalry) started to unfold only a few years before WW1, and by then it was a conflict of interest of the imperial powers–the Muslim imperial power represented by the Turkish Ottoman (Uthmani) empire and the West represented by the Hubsburg, French and British empires. And there are tons of literature about that era its conflicts… so many books that cover it in exhaustive detail (I recommend Peace to end all Peace but if you are interested, I can recommend more just in case), written by Muslims and Orientalists…though books mainly representing Western imperial viewpoint are more abundant.

            Islam has contributed greatly to the Western civilization, mainly by preserving ancient Greek philosophical works that the West used to the maximum to jump-start the European renaissance age. At one time, the Muslims ruled a vast empire extending from China to the Iberian Peninsula—the West was too inferior to it to inflict any damage on the Muslim empire. But empires decay and fall; the Muslim empire fell in Andulus, and the Turkish empire started to fall after the battle of Gallipoli.

            I do not think that the sectarian conflicts will stop even if the West disappeared from the face of the world as you stated. It was there even when the West was far inferior than the Muslim world. Furthermore, sectarian inter-Muslim wars were fought regularly for centuries, starting from the era of the Caliphs and intensified during the time of the Umayad empire. There were also regular conflicts involving scholars and philosophers (and Ijtihadat) which cost prominent scholars their lives. For example, read the story of Shahrastani, and how he died and was denied burial because of his view to about a certain other scholar. He is the scholar who left us a valuable book, “Al Milel wel’Nahal” which incidentally provides the so many sects and jurisprudence in Islamic history. Read the story of Ibn Teymia, an exceptional high caliber and deep intellectual who left many works but what is kept alive is mainly his edicts and works which he developed in response (and to confront) the Moghul invasion of his country, Syria. We see how his war doctrines are now adopted in its totality by certain sects, including ISIS. How did he die? A sad death, by Muslims. AlHajaj who destroyed the Kaaba and how he cruely killed Abdella Bin AZubeir and hanged him on the walls of the Kaaba—would Abraha fare any worse? I doubt it. What about the slaughtering of Jaad Bin Dirham by the Emir in a Basra mosque? Can we blame the over a thousand years conflict of “Aqil or Neqil” (reason against revelation) on Islam? No, it is the work of Muslims and we have to own it. Inter Muslim conflicts resulted in many purges and atrocities, the Moutezela as an example, and so many more. But every time Muslim history is raised, we cannot turn it to a debate about Islam. Islam has nothing to do with the cultural and historical madness of its adherents and that history has to be acknowledged for what it is. In fact, Muslims should distance their religion from the dark history of clans and regions and present it in its spiritually pure message of peace. We have nothing to be defensive about, every nation and every religion has equal of worse dark history that should not be apologized for but disowned clearly.

            You see abu Hmeid, if one has enough patience, today, the entire history is accessible and we can all do our own scholarship and not be under the mercy of partisan “pseud-scholars” who want to monopolize the rationing of knowledge.

            You wrote that “In Islam you have the right to make researches…”. True, but it is not Islam that prevents us from doing that, but vested interest, the powers that be, the religious establishment that has created a clergy when Islam doesn’t condone the idea of a clergy, or an intercessor between the believer and his creator.

            Therefore Abu Hmeid, I am a Muslim and I am content. But I have a problem with many Muslims, particularly with the intolerant ones, with the ones who think Islam is their private religion and others can only be associated with it if they bless them with acceptance. I do not approve of the culture that has been imposed on Muslims “as the only true Islamic culture.” I think what ails Muslims is not Islam, not at all, but Muslims who could not differentiate between Islam as a religion and the societal culture of different Muslims. Worse, most of conflicts are over history and most Muslims, as the Arabs say, have “neither a Camel or a she-camel” in the conflicts for which they are paying heavily. And they are not religious conflicts through they are wrapped as one. In reality, they are political, cultural and traditional conflicts whose energy source is illiteracy, ignorance, and lack of freedom and justice.

            Sorry for the lengthy comment, but before I stop, let me state that I fully subscribe to the following quote from your earlier comment:

            “A Muslim is requested to fight back injustices and bring justice and the rule of law, this is considered the highest level of sacrifice.”

          • KBT

            Selamat for the first time I agree with you

          • Selamat SJG,

            Is it appropriate to ask what is inside ال كاعبا؟

            tSAtSE

      • KBT

        Selamat
        Well you like it or not Eritrea is a secular country where all religion have to respect each other
        Anyone with fundamentalist idea wheter is Christian like jehova or pentecost or Muslim wahabi salafi
        Are not welcome,we don’t want our country to be like Syria .
        He may have the right keep for himself but not to share it.
        If you are one of them your place will be in jail

    • Brhan

      Selamat KBT,
      Every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear KBT,
      I hesitated to respond to your comment after reading your sentence that reveal a lot about the writer. But the extreme insensitivity contained in your message exposed from where you are coming. Otherwise the cry of a family that missed a father for seventeen years without no track trace to follow does shake any average human being with living conscience. Only people like you and regime fanatics are capable of such callousness and insensitivity.
      The type of your presumption is very much typically familiar in the culture of the regime. Have we not heard people like you monotonously uttering the very same thing you have written about this victim: “ገለ እንተ ዘይገብሩ መንግስቲ ኣይምኣሰሮምን”. Whether you are aware or not you have made yourself party to the crime of the regime because you have accused the man of crime which even his incarcerators did not acknowledge by suspecting him of preaching “the wahabi” [sic]. Regardless of what the offense might have been, proven or alleged, an ordeal of a family and children do shake a normal person’s conscience.
      Regard

    • Haile S.

      Dear KBT,
      17 years of equitable justice would have been better instrument in fighting another criminal than 17 years of crime (justice-deprived incommunicado).

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam KBT,

      Isn’t it better for you to challenge the government to bring the prisoners to stand in the court of law, where the accused could defend himself, and in the court process you will know the case and its validity? At least as a citizen you should give the benefit of doubt to the accused than to the accuser until the court decided the case of the accused. Take as a rule of thumb that governments are evils if they are not challenged by citizens. Governments can accuse and persecute citizens either without due process or by fabricating cases against citizens. Suppose take yourself in the positions of the prisoners who are languishing in the prisons, where your families don’t know your whereabouts and don’t know the case you are accused about, don’t you think the government should bring you to the court of law to defend yourself? If yes then that is what are advocating on behalf of the accused.

      Regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • KBT

        Selamat
        So people are arrested whiteout no reason ,why ????
        You see you keep the same propaganda narratives you guys created for your political prostitution
        We are all the same country how come all this happens for some and not for other ???

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam KBT,

          First learn the etiquette of saluting the forumers as a rule of awate. Second, until their cases are known to be of public knowledge, and face the court of justice, I will assume them none guilty. If you are volunteering to tell us on behalf of the government that they are guilty with enough proof, then here is the stage for you. When you do, we will consider you of being the persecuter and the judge. So when you say they could not jail them without reason is not defensible argument brother.

          Regards

    • Thomas

      Hi KBT,

      I wanted to write you something, but then I see your nickname and I say nah he/it knows who/which it is:) I like your nickname but it is not confusing. You are clear about yourself, KBT is just being KBT. No diggity No doubt, go and figure that out.

      • KBT

        Selamat
        Well if insulting me make you feel above me bro then good luke

    • Mez

      Greetings KBT,

      This person is 17 years in jail!

      If he start to be more religious then, does he deserve to seat 17 years in jail without any fair and impartial trial?

      Be reasonable man,
      Thanks

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