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Saudi, UAE, and Eritrean Internet Trolling Cooperation

Gedab News learned that the UAE and Saudi Arabia are providing training and facilities to the Eritrean ruling party to enhance its internet war against its opponents.

Both Arab countries maintain a strong troll presence in social media, which they enhanced since November of last year to encircle Qatar.

The UAE intelligence officials have assembled over two hundred trolls under Hamad Al Mazrouei to fight its social media wars using hundreds of Twitter and other social media accounts. A similar number of trolls work for the Saudi intelligence department under the leadership of Turki Al-Sheik.

The extent of UAE’s cyber propaganda came to light when a trove of emails belonging to Yousef al-Otaiba, the UAE ambassador to the United States, were released by hackers, where he accused “Al Jazeera as an instrument of regional instability”.

As of last February, the UAE and Saudi intelligence departments have been training Eritrean trolls under the leadership of Yemane Gebremeskel,  Eritrea’s Minister of Information, to cover the Horn of Africa region where the UAE is aggressively expanding its influence.

According to a prominent Sudanese researcher, the UAE has spread its wings “beyond its size, and is ambitiously engaged in high stake games that will soon backfire.”

According to The Washington Post, days before President Donald Trump’s inauguration, the UAE helped arrange a meeting between Russians close to President Vladimir Putin and Blackwater founder Erik Prince, a Trump envoy, in the Seychelles islands to create a communication back-channel between Trump and Russia.

During the US House of Representatives testimony, Susan Rice, the then Secretary of State, acknowledged that she ordered the unmasking of names in a transcript of communications intercepted by the US intelligence of a  secret meeting at Trump Towers between top Trump advisors and the crown prince of UAE, whose visit to New York was undisclosed to the State Department.

On March 3, 2018, the New York Times reported that an Arab American adviser to UAE’s crown prince Mohammed Bin Zaid “is now a focus in the investigation by Robert S. Muller III,” the special counsel investigating Russian meddling in the last American presidential election.

On March 26, 2018, CBS News reported that, “A top fundraiser for President Donald Trump received millions of dollars from a political adviser to the United Arab Emirates last April, just weeks before he began handing out a series of large political donations to U.S. lawmakers considering legislation targeting Qatar, the UAE’s chief rival in the Persian Gulf, an Associated Press investigation has found.”

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, the Eritrean Ministry of Information issued a statement accusing Mohammed Jumma, an Eritrean exile, now a citizen of the United Kingdom, of starting to “organize political and military activities as well as to train their members.” The statement also claimed that funding “is provided by the Embassy of Qatar in Khartoum” While the “training and other logistical functions are managed by the Sudanese Security and Intelligence.”

Soon after the statement was published on the Eritrean government website, the topic was amplified on affiliated Eritrean websites and outlets funded by the UAE.

Mohammed Jumaa was targeted since July 2017, when Eritreans in London called for a public meeting where Mohammed Jumaa and a Christian priest Abba Shenoda Haile, were invited to deliver speeches. Mohammed Jumaa’s repeated appearance in public with the Christian cleric seems to have caused uneasiness among the Eritrean government officials because the activities with both exiled Eritrean men focused on strengthening the unity among Eritrean Muslims and Christians. A Londoner said, “that unity is vital in effectively resisting the unjust actions of the Eritrean government.”

In the social media discussions that ensued, for the first time, an individual known for attacking the Eritrean opposition called Mohammed Jumaa “Eritrea’s Qeredawi”, after the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood cleric who resides in Qatar. In the last few days, the pro-government websites have been referring to Mohammed Jumaa as, “Eritrea’s Qeredawi”.

According to Eritrean opposition members, “that is the first step in implementing the UAE troll training and the Eritrean regime is trying to make Mohammed Jumaa a fall guy in its sectarian instigations.”

Meanwhile, a coalition of Eritrean activists, the Global Eritrean Advocacy Network (GEAN), stated it is determined “to counter the UAE & Saudi funded troll campaign. and vowed to challenge the new frontier of information warfare.” GEAN leaders informed Gedab News “we will mobilize our online community to enlist their help to foil this multi-million campaign that we cannot match in dollars but by volunteers.

GEAN has already started to train Eritrean activists on how to use their online presence effectively in “the war unleashed on Eritreans by the joint Saudi-UAE intelligence network.”

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  • Paulos

    Awatistas,

    I saw this on twitter and I thought it was wicked!

    Isaias 1991-2012 Meles 1991-2012

    Isaias 2012-2018 Hailemariam 2012-2018

    Isaias 2018- for life Dr. Abiy 2018-2020

    In the meantime, Nhna N’su graduates to Isaias heals!

  • Selam Amde, Kim Hanna,

    The message coming from the foundation anniversary of opdo says: it will ensure the greatness of the Oromo people by attaining great success in the country, and OPDO will work to strengthen national unity.

    Can we say that the country has changed for real, and the caretakers of ethiopia are not only amharas and tigrayans, as we were told for so long, and the success of the opdo could be the topic we will be discussing about in the future. Let’s hope so.

    I believe that the oromo people will indeed do their best for the country, to prove themselves not only to the people of ethiopia, but to the world community as well. They will try to show that what they cared about was not political and economic power in their turn, but for good governance, a stable country and a more inclusive political and economic outcome for all its social groups.

    When is he (Dr. Abiy) going to be sworn in? Is it today, this week?

    • Admassie

      Dear Horizon,
      Dr. Abiy has already sworn in. Right know he is being introduced to the PM office and its staff. He is accompanied by his wife and three children. His inagural speach was well written and read. The message is promissing.
      Admassie A.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam horizon
      “The caretakers of ethiopia r not amara and tigraians. As we were told for so long” who told u that? Am sure ethiolians can’t tell u that. Because it is not true.
      U need to know the difference between Abyssinia(ethiopia) and ethiopia as we know her today.
      tplf came from tigrai man , how came u believe they r a caretaker of ethiopia even if somebody told u they r? All i can say is u guys don’t have a clue about yourself and ethiopia people’s.don’t just believe any propaganda just because the propagandists r from ur ethnicity and do what i told u to do(stop barking waw waw).

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    It’s a pleasure to meet forumers like Samuel who join this wonderful forum with valuable gifts. Thank you for this entertaining piece. When I finished reading it couldn’t resist the temptation to start reading again. Such inspiring readings are indispensable in this forum because it incites philosophy and language wizards like Dr. Paulos, Dr. Beyan, and lots of them in fact to comment and share products of their readings.

    In my case, this piece reminded me of Salman Rushdie’s “Satanic Verses” which I read long time ago (Summer of 1992 I think). If one could move to neural terrain (due to the controversy that surround the book at the time) and read it as literary work for its sake, it is a manifestation of Rushdie at his best as one of the creative writers.

  • sara

    Dear Awate forumers
    it strange to read here at awate , a writer who is abhorred in the Muslim world is being praised, admired for his thoughts and writings.
    interesting times we are!

    • Hey Sarah,
      Why strange? You were not thinking of Awate forumers as unlettered Pakistani tribesmen. Were you? Since I do not want to second guess you would you care to explain why Awate forum is a strange place to read and admire Rushdie and why you seem to think that every Muslim would react the same way.

      thanks

      • sara

        hello samuel,
        my comment is simple,straight and true. a person (writer) who bashes the great faith of billions shouldn’t be admired (quoted) but condemned.

  • blink

    Dear selam
    First you are being rude not to respect the greetings as your upbringing used to , second what I said about the Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia is facts not something that you can debate by googling, third you can have your bragging right by calling yourself Dr. Or anything at your head . I am not debating from my profession if you will. Now what’s the things that itching you dear ? Tell me because we have many Drs here , they can google for you know.

    The reality of Eritreans in Ethiopia is not a topic for people to make lies .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Alex,

    What it matters to me is your acknowledgement that the regime is committing crimes upon our people. And If CoI reported what you and me knew in Eritrea, it matters to both of us and we welcome it, What CoI do/don’t do about other countries is not primary to you and me. Let us deal with our problems and let us not mix our problem with other issues that has nothing to do with ours.

    • Patriot

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat. You say ‘What Col do/don’t about other countries is not primary to you or me.’. Are you serious when you wish to assert that Ethiopia, which is illegally occupying Eritrea, should be treated as any other country? Eritrean opposition bases which have over the past 20 years taken a hands-off strategy in regards to the TPLF have by process, when ignoring what is important to the emotional blood flow of many (not all) Eritreans, killed and fragmented the inirtia of opposition movements, they are simply oftentimes seen as being in collaboration with the TPLF.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Patriot,

        I can’t understand anything from your scribbles. Can you rewrite it in understandable way?

        • Patriot

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Nice diversion. Your opposition strategy obviously has neither gained tracktion nor has it been effective for some 2 decades…..meaning it ain’t working brother and you need to rethink the way that you are approaching matters.

  • Dear Awate forumers,

    In relation to the discussion on plagiarism, imitation, and all that Jazz that we had recently following the imminent election of Dr. Abiy Ahmed, I thought the following piece by Salman Rushdie would make for a pleasurable weekend read.

    https://awestruckwanderer.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/influence-an-essay-by-salman-rushdie-in-step-across-this-line-collected-nonfiction-1992-2002/

    Cheers,
    Samuel

    • Beyan

      Many thanks Samuel. Indeed, it will be a treat that I am saving on my to read list for later in the day.

      Cheers,
      BN

      • Pleasure Beyan Nebsi!
        Enjoy!

        • Beyan

          merHaba Samuel,

          You know, of course, Rushdie is one of the potent voices in the postcolonial literature, globally speaking. So, I am really looking forward to read this transcript of the lecture he gave although in 1999, I am certain, it will certainly be as relevant today. Issue of influence, what influenced his career as a literature man will be, I as sure, insightful. His wry sense of humor is what I hear always being appreciated by those who know him up-close and personal as in his ex-wife, Padma Lakshmi. Her book I read and enjoyed thoroughly not for its literature value but for the stories she tells about anecdotal stories she tells about Rushdie. She is of Indian descent and was a model and very successful in her own right, where she was very popular in Europe in general and in Italy in particular. Her attempt at trying to transition to the literature world appears to be due to his influence than really her natural knack or disposition.

          Beyan

          • Selam Beyan, Paulos and Aman,
            The speed and wit with which Awatistas comment on any topic always amazes me. This forum is an Agora of sorts. You all are doing a fine job corrupting us the unsuspecting youth. I hope Nitric is not experimenting with a secret hemlock😂.

            Coming to Rushdie and his piece i think it speaks brilliantly to the anxiety and fear that grips anyone venturing into the realm of writing. Questions like: am I speaking in another person’s tongue? Am i a fraud? (the infamous impostor syndrome) Am i a charlatan, a dilettante? are some of the tormenting interrogations that any aspiring writer adminiters to herself. The good news which Rushdie reports is that we can not escape from influence. We can’t escape the Mephistophelean shadows of anyone one person we once took to be our mentor/inspiration. But, we can rail against them, commit a sort of patricide and construct a little niche for ourselves.

            i am lucky to had a mentor who introduced me to Rushdie in high school. One of the few good things the National Union of Eritrean Youth and Students did was establishing book clubs in select high schools in Asmara in the mid of 2000’s with the cooperation of some talented Asmara university students and faculty members. It was in one of the book clubs that I struggled to read Rushdie’s Midnight’s Children. It was and still is a hard nut to crack. But i feel the novel can be a model for the Great Eritrean Novel that Saay7 never forget to remind us needs to be written.

            Samuel

          • Beyan

            Dear Samuel & All,

            It so happened weekends I have delegated for reading and interaction for the pleasure of it, which is why I am bombarding the forum as I will be too busy to do so over the weekdays. But, I certainly know what you mean on the neck breaking speed the conversation tends to ensue here. Dr. P. and Sal Y. epitomize that speed.

            Samuel, you give a beautiful synopsis of Rushdie’s piece. It is interesting you mention “Midnight’s Children”. I have it on my shelf. I picked it up on so many occasions, it just wouldn’t grab me. I wait for few months, even few years, still to no avail. Reading club in Asmara, now that would’ve been quite a treat to be a part of, because I would imagine the similarities in cultural sensibilities would make for an interesting give and take. I’ve never engaged in any book clubs in any settings, but one you mentioned I find thought provoking from cultural normative perspective.

            Young man, take advantage of this free intellectually engaging interaction, of course, be mindful of its addictive nature.

            Peace! I’m out for the night! Good night y’all.
            Beyan

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            I am glad to hear that you had been introduced to prolific International writers, such as Rushdie during your high school time, to cultivate your reading and writing interest early on at your young age – an opportunity most of my generation could not get it, in the 50s and 60s. Keep up, if you have the “will”, you could be in the pantheons of the International prestigious writers club.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Samuel:

            “….for the Great Eritrean Novel that Saay7 never forget to remind us needs to be written.”

            Tic, toc, tic, toc….

            The candidate for the Great East African Novel was introduced in 2010 when Ethiopian-American phenom Maaza Mengiste wrote Beneath The Lion’s Gaze, the story of how the fall of Haile Selasse and the emergence of the Derg impacted one Ethiopian family.

            In a collection of essays entitled The Displaced: Refugee Writers on Refugee Lives, which is being published later this month, she contributes an essay of which The Economist book review says, “the outstanding piece is by Maaza Mengiste, an Ethiopian-American who gives a lyrical, erudite and unsettling reflection on refugees as Lazarus figures whose existence is forever defined by a single miracle.”

            Tic toc….

            And, oh, the book is edited by Viet Thanh Nguyen who wrote The Great Vietnamese Novel (and has a Pulitzer to show for it) with his debut book: The Sympathizers.

            Tic, toc, Get to it Samuel:) And bring the Halaf Mengedi with you and, oh, find Milkias Mehreteab and Burhan Ali and (after you take him to Adi Halo for some holy water sprinkling) Ali Salim. The book awaits. And, oh, Ahmed Raji knows somebody too: and it is a she and she is spectacular (can’t mention her name without permission.)

            saay

          • Selam Saay,
            I am told the instruction manual for the Great Eritrean Novel is with. Forget Adi Halo, we are heading your way.

            Did not get a chance to read Maaza. Will do in summer.

          • saay7

            Samuel:

            Ok, I will make a contest:) Half Mengedi and you, your task is to Eritreanize this in the age of Isaias Afwerki & PFDJ:

            It was only Almaz who’d recognized the vivid flush of the girl’s face, the faint hint of bitter almonds, and known what had happened. She’d walked in just as Hailu was explaining to the soldiers how the electric shocks she’d received had damaged her internally.

            “Oh,” she said. “Yes,” she collected herself. “It was too much for her. Too much infection.”

            The soldiers had been agitated. “We reported she’d be back in a few days. People are expecting her,” one said.

            “I’ll explain it all in the death certificate,” Hailu reassured them.

            But Hailu had been summoned to jail, only one day after filing the report. His presence was requested in writing, delivered to his office by a skinny soldier with firm steps.

            “Arrive by dawn,” the soldier said. “The Colonel starts early.”

            “What’s this about?” Hailu looked at the inked signature at the bottom of the letter and tried to imagine the type of man whose hand moved across the page with such jagged sweeps of the pen.

            The soldier stared at him and Hailu felt a shiver crawl up his spine. His light brown eyes were crisscrossed with red veins. “It’s just to talk.”

            Hailu tried not to think about the fact that no one ever returned from a summons to jail. “Should I pack a suitcase?” Most prisoners were ordered to bring a suitcase under pretext that they’d be released.

            “It’s unnecessary,” the soldier said. “Tomorrow,” he added before leaving.

            Now, Hailu stared into the dark in his living room, his back straight as a tree, and waited, though for what, he wasn’t sure.

            –excerpt from Beneath the Lion’s Gaze

            saay

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Saay, Samuel

            An acquaintance of mine actually had started a novel based on true stories to the same effect. i think he was going to name it deki gezawtina…or something like that (he was from may temenay, and you know how deki may temenay feel about their gezawti…lols). anyway he was going to tell the story of about 10-15 people of different age, background etc from his neighborhood. the plot is that the story of these people and where they come from (different part of Eritrea, deki tegadeli, kab Ethiopia zitesegogu etc) and the story people they have interacted with (in national service, in army, in sudan, Libya, Uganda, Mediterranean sea, Europe, usa, etc etc) would tell the whole story of what happened to the eritreans under pfdj….i haven’t talked to him in a while, but i think he has put it on hold…i think he got overwhelmed. he had the idea back in 08-09, things have gotten a lot worse that it became too much for him…anyway, hopefully he will get it done some day.

            hm

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      I just finished reading this absolutely captivating essay. Thank you so much!

      Plagiarism, it seems to me as a psychological hung up that breathes on one’s neck where words are arrested in fear as Rashdi brilliantly put it instead of flowing from the fingers. What if one’s work happens to be close to identical with other’s just by sheer coincidence?

      Rashdi imagined when he was a lot younger that, the ocean as a collection of bodies of water, and droplets of water before that, and a vapor before that, but the ocean is one and the same in essence and in content as well. Writers tell stories and as Rashdie put it, they influence each other not so much to build ideas on other’s work as the clever people in science do but they tell the human condition in vapor, in droplets and in ocean form where the specter of plagiarism loses its meaning.

      • Beyan

        merHaba Dottore,

        This is what I mean man! You are just a sucker for good stories and devour them as they come. I have yet to read the piece in question, but when I responded to Samuel earlier, I defined Padma Lakshmi in the image of Rushdie. So, this gives me an opportunity to offer a brief entry about her memoir that didn’t address Rushdie in it as a rectification. So, here you go:

        To be fair to Padma Lakshmi (2016), “Love, loss, and what we ate” as memoir delves into her story growing up in Los Angeles, in how she was a misfit because she was way too tall for her age, and kids calling her “giraffe” made disliked her darker complexion and her tallness she internalized these characteristics about herself. But, these very characteristics, ironically, became an asset for when she became a model as a teenager. She became world renowned model. But, even in the modeling world she was drowned by the sea of white skin. Of course, her Indian cultural upbringing she had to be comfortable in her own skin, her wearing bikinis, miniskirts, and the like.

        Not only was she successful in modeling, but she also made a successful transition from modeling to becoming a top-notch-chef, where she had her own show on TV. Her book also inculcates her “chefing” life, if you will. The book has sprinkles of recipes of various food stuff. The clear message that shouldn’t be overlooked in her book is that she makes food part and parcel of her book – She approaches it as a philosophical stance in that as a young woman growing up and as married woman, food she asserts as part of her identity as a woman. There is a lot going on that Lakshmi (2016) addresses in the book. I felt I was shortchanging Lakshmi when I was describing her from a man’s perspective. Hope this does her book and her as a human being justice.

        Beyan

        • Paulos

          Selam Dr. Beyan,

          Heard like everyone else great deal about Rushdie but never came around his books much less about the seemingly colorful life of his former wife but thanks to this forum where we learn something new and interesting stuff everyday. Thank you brother!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Samuel,

      Good piece and good reading for the weekend. I enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • Mez

    Dear Hope

    What ever may be in the background, it is too early to call. He is not even in the official capacity as PM yet.

    Thanks

  • Selam All,

    What went wrong between tplf and ambassador H. Cohen that he is full of bile and hatred and he calls them politico-economic monopolists. Is it personal or is it part of his mission as a lobbyist for the eritrean regime? Anybody who has an idea?

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Horizon,
      I have always considered Cohen The chief of the political Dellalas. If the TPLF would offer him a consulting job, he will depict it as an angel with huge wings.

      Let me explain it better: if he speaks I’ll of Haile Sellassie, the king I despise with passion, I will go all Blink on you and lionize Janhoi 🙂

      • blink

        Dear SG
        What’s wrong with you , I just compared janohy with Dergi and Meles . I said his diplomatic contribution still is helping the 21 century Ethiopian leaders nothing more nothing less . If you could asked me from the Eritrean side , I would brought everything he did all the killings and all the religious attacks . It is not like I am ignoring his act on Eritreans. What I find out about his educational contribution to Ethiopia and the way he ruled Eritreans is totally different issues. And I owe you an apology, if you don’t believe it , no need to remind you.

    • Mez

      Hi Horizon,

      Just dig a little bit on ambassador H. Cohen lobbying business and the financial flow to his company.

      That will give you the answer. I was wondering why he didn’t has by now his own news outlet, like a TV station, just for this purpose.

      Thanks

  • Amde

    Hi Alex,

    I guess what you call gimmick is what TPLF considered agenda for a deal. I am assuming there is a good amount of Ethiopian national agenda issues in there as well, not just TPLF narrow interest.

    Amde

  • Desbele

    Hi Alex,
    Why do you consider going to ethiopia with seeking a blessing from…
    After all Eritreans in hundreds of thousands are living in Ethiopia and being close to these people in any form makes sense. Why would you measure ones patriotism with a distance from Ethio.
    Good that you say “hate is blinding”. You may need to revise your hate against ETHIO.
    Remember active war stopped in a talk with ethiopians, POWS exchanged , TSZ formed and both parties stand in a court. Why is it bad to seek peace in further talk with ethios ?

  • Munir

    Mohammed Jumma, have a big roll on raising awareness between the Eritrean people .

    These allegations were expected ,from EPLF.

  • Admassie

    Dear Awate readers,
    Changing leader ship is the least problem of Ethiopia. It is very disturbing to see that no one is focusing on building the foundation that is creating an informed society.

    The problem of Ethiopia is not EPRDF alone; it is all the political organizations, media, civic societies, intellectuals, economic elites, religious institutions and celebrities. These all are miserably failed in creating an informed society whose citizens are active in building democracy and defending it from undemocratic order.

    Everyone is expert in analyzing how EPRDF is undemocratic. Yes we know EPRDF is undemocratic. But, so are all the stake holders. If EPRDF and all the stake holders are undemocratic, then it is because the citizens that create them are undemocratic. Therefore, the most prior agenda for everyone should have been creating an informed and organized society.

    Every one speaks loud that the lack of democracy, good governance, rule of law and so on are the ailments of Ethiopia. Sure. But, these are concepts and understandings which we are not born with. We rather learn them starting from childhood through education, process and practice. It is how citizens need to comprehend and own them. That requires works of generations, resource and resolve, and unfortunately, there is no short cut doing it (remember the human, resource and time cost the west invested in bringing democracy). If there is, then, it is circumvented and the outcome is doomed to fail.

    That is how EPRDF is miserably failed in doing the right way, rather focused on economic achievements and guarding its power. It failed in bringing all stakeholders around common national agenda. It worked hard on our differences instead of our commonalities. At the end alienates a good chunk of population.

    Oppositions failed in visioning an informed society, rather obsessed in making EPRDF a monster and getting Arat killo at any cost. Instead of working on available opportunities in advancing democracy, they cry foul for every failure they make. They don’t invest themselves fully to their cause. They are good at complaining and they lack creativity big time.

    Most elites and intellectuals flatter themselves for they are not proactive in the incumbent system. But, what if they were? The outcome would have been still the same. They are part of the problem despite where their political position is. They are hypocrite. They breed animosity; they gossip and complain about anything the government does. They provide no solution, hence, they expect solution from anyone else to the problem they are part of creating it.

    We citizens in general, speak politically and morally correct opinion in an open discussion, a forum or in front of a camera. Let’s say regarding ethnicity, religion, ethics, good governance and so on and we believe the opinion we make on these mediums influence our children or youth collectively. However, it is the real talk (mostly opposite to what is said in an open discussion) that we make privately in our house among families, relatives or trusted friends, which is shaping the minds of our children.

    Ultimately it is us, the citizens, who breed animosity and hate. It is us, who are destroying what we have and what we have started to build. It is us, Ethiopians, who are killing our country!

    Therefore, it is us, the citizens, who really need to change!! If we do not start working on us, alas, it is a matter of time, we are doomed to fail!!

  • sara

    Alex,
    not only to withdraw but to pay for the wail was agreed in this forum by the great Ras Abi, not the recent Abiy.

  • Simon Kaleab

    According to a prominent Sudanese researcher …

    According to The Washington Post …

    During the US House of Representatives testimony, Susan Rice …

    On March 3, 2018, the New York Times …

    On March 26, 2018, CBS News reported that …

    The above list represents the bottom end of a credibility list [from high credibility to low].

    Inept and desperate Robert Muller follows a similar principle as Stalin’s Security Chief Lavrentiy Beria who said: “Show Me The Man, And I will Show You The Crime.”

    But the USA is not Stalinist Russia. I predict crooked Muller will end up being investigated himself.

  • MS

    Selam Patriot and Alex
    There are two items that some people keep mixing, for whatever reason. Very few people believe that PFDJ will reverse course and act angelic the day Ethiopia leaves Badme and other occupied scraps of land. But Ethiopia must leave because that is the decision of the court of arbitration that ETHIOPIA HAD SIGNED. It’s disingenuous of those who conflate the border conflict with Eritrea’s domestic issues. This has been a long-running problem in this forum.
    Second: The issue of “mechanism” is a red herring. The court has finalized its verdict; the UN finalized its cartographic job. What remained was the physical placement of pillars on the assigned coordinates. And that practice has been made obsolete by the technology of GPS. Ethiopia, Eritrea, the UN and AU have copies of the maps. Case closed. The UN did not stop its job because the “mechanism” was disrupted; Ethiopia did not stop the process of delineating because the “mechanism” was disrupted. The UN body completed its job. Case closed.
    Third: Those who hang up onto the idea of perpetuating the border conflict are elements who think their existence and their subsequent chance of coming to power is through Wayane. Hence, they have to see the conflict between the two countries unresolved.
    Fourth: The fight for justice should be clean and Eritrean. That means one could stand for domestic justice as well as act patriotic on issues concerning Eritrea and its relations with other countries. The positions of some opposition organizations (some completely in fold with TPLF narration, others showing just meek reactions) actually emboldened TPLF thinking that better deals would come with the victory of their puppet organizations.
    Fifth: I say this as a matter of principle, otherwise, I don’t have high expectations from Dr.Abiy’s premiership. His plate is full with domestic challenges. I wish him success.
    Sixth: What’s interesting is that this conflict and TPLF-controlled EPRDF and the destructive domestic policies it had pursued in Ethiopia actually brought the two people closer. I’m confident once the border issue is resolved, both countries will work to make up what they have lost of opportunities. Today, Eritreans’ grudge is with the ruling elite of TPLF. It is not with Tigrians, Amara, Oromo OR other peoples. If what we see in the diaspora of good neighborliness and mutual respect, and what Eritreans tell us of their experience in Ethiopia is an indicator, indeed, both peoples have already put their bloody past behind them. What is remained is relationship built on international rules and mutual respect.

    • Patriot

      Selam MS and thanks for your comments. I agree with most of what you have said, with the exception of your sixth comment. Speaking frankly (I know that I am going to receive some flack on this) and based on my own personal observations, I believe that Eritreans, at least those above 30 years of age, do hold some level of contempt for not only the TPLF but also Tigrians in general. While the TPLF has been the decisive power broker in Ethiopia since the fall of the Derg, they have clearly steered preferential land allocation and economic benefit to the Tigray (non-party members) over other ethnic groups in Ethiopia. And, for the most part, Tigrians in general have remained placid while the TPLF committed wrongdoings, including those against Eritrea. Experience of Eritreans in Ethiopia? I guess it depends much on which group of Eritreans that you are referring to. For those that were for whatever reason not deported back in 1999>, maybe they would have more positive things to say. Not sure that would be the case of Eritreans that had been earlier deported or those that have in recent years sought refugee status in Ethiopia. In the end should Ethiopia withdraw from Badme, we have to have hope that the new generation of youth, hopefully with cleaner hearts, are able to leave the past really behind and move in a positive future direction.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Mahmuday,

      Below is a quoted from your remark:

      “What remained was the physical placement of pillars on the assigned coordinates. And that practice has been made obsolete by the technology of GPS. Ethiopia, Eritrea, the UN and AU have copies of the maps. Case closed.”

      Doesn’t it mean, if the physical pillars are not placed, it is not demarcated? And on the other side when you say “that practice” which means the placement of the pillars “has been made obsolete by GPS technology” do also mean the demarcation has been done already? Did I miss you any? If I did, what do you mean then?

      Regard

      • MS

        Ahlan Emma
        We have debated this matter for the umpteenth time and neither of us has moved an inch from where we were the first time we met. None of us has the capacity to influence the situation. It is just a matter of taking a stand and both of us have made our positions clear.
        The second point: I never called people who disagree with me Wayane. If I’m mistaken show me. I call wayane those who are proud of being wayane, and Wayane is a a good name, just like Shaebia. Call me Shaebia and I will accept it proudly.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Mahmuday,

          I know that we have different positions on many issues of our nation, including on this issue. The first part of my comment was telling you that I didn’t understand the quoted statement. I was asking you to understand what you mean by that. Other than that the solution is in the hand of the two governments. But keep in mind we could also influence on their decision,if we could have a united voice. Unfortunately, we have not.

          Regard

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I would just like to use the last sentence of your reply to use it as segue

            “We could influence their decision, if we have a united voice. Unfortunately, we have not.”

            Are Eritreans and Ethiopians (the masses) in a position to influence their governments? Can anyone here—Eritrean or Ethiopian—give me an example of a policy that came about as a result of the ruling class saying, “we were thinking of doing X, but we have listened to our people and we will do Y.” From my question, feel free to assume that I don’t think that this has ever happened whether the people are united or not. But I would love to hear examples.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            I can’t give you any example. But I still believe the “unity of our voice” will either succumb them to the wishes of both people, or will allow us to resort to a dreadful force that root them out, from the business of the nation, if they don’t listen. I do not falter nor vacillate on my views towards the destructive regime we have at home.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I hope iSem is not listening because every time I say something, if he likes it, he DJs me and tells me to write an article about it:)

            1. This is not unique to Eritrea and Eritreans but: Unity cannot be achieved because the ideas are not reconcilable. The only unity we ever had was at the point of a gun.
            2. A movement, on the other hand, can be achieved. A movement accommodates different ideas, so long as there is a shared objective. Since we have a shared objective–bringing about positive change in Eritrea–and since our views of how to get there differ, we should focus on creating a movement. Not a front with a vanguard attitude but a movement with democratic values.
            3. The goal of this movement is to emancipate Eritreans from bondage of an out-of-control and sadistic organization. Movement for Eritrean Emancipation (MEE.) Slogan: it is all about mee 🙂
            4. It will achieve its goal when (a) enough members of the ruling class notice that it is in their personal (me) interest to align it with the interest of Mee or (b) they get overwhelmed and dissolve.

            saay

            2.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            My friend, I agree on the Idea of MEE. I will join you if you mobilize our people for that effort. I am reluctant to your slogan “it is all about me” for in the end we do not want to “heartless individualism.”

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I just looked at my resume and your resume and noticed that under “mobilization” you have a lot of entries and I don’t 🙂 You have so much of it that Ras Abi used to mention it every other post😂😂

            You know my answer is always the same: “man’s gotta know his limitations.” 🙂 Or, to modernize it, “I don’t have mobilization skills, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like PFDJ…”

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; speaking of Abi; few weeks back i was reading Abi’s post at his new home and he was arguing with someone and he said ” you can’t talk to me like that, i have aGeneral ranking that i earned in Awate battle field” the way he said it was so funny I was cracking up. he never forgive Aman-H for recruiting Eritreans in Ethiopia to join the struggle.

          • saay7

            Nitricc:

            I don’t know why he demoted himself to a general; at awate, he had been promoted to ልዑል ራስ. In Ethiopian aristocratic hierarchy there were only a handful ልዑል ራስ (archdukes) and the princes gave orders to the generals. So many things I don’t understand: I don’t understand why he was mad at Emma for doing his job, instead of his government for not doing their job; I don’t understand why he left; and I certainly don’t understand why he chose to swim in the gutter of the website he writes for. But to each his own.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; Not only him but almost all Ethiopians never understood what Eritrean’s meant for their struggle and how every Eritrean was invested in to Eritrean independence cause. I think that is the secret of Eritreans victory, because the Ethiopians didn’t understood the magnitude of the Eritrean’s sacrifices and determination. Regarding quitting Awate.com, well it is the Gondere thing. I am assuming He felt humiliated when he was disciplined and his pride is holding him back to join us. I could have advised him from expercince about getting disciplined by awate : – )

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Have you ever thought that some of the defeatist people could read you ? You see ,you are the most competent and best Eritrea can offer , many people knew long time ago that you have enough resume to stir everything for better. Don’t you think people remember all about your contribution in the time of critical time for Eritrea as a country? Oh yes we have short memory!!! That is what you think ,right saay ? , No infact if the time comes to write history about the past war with weyane , your name can be listed to get some presidential medal. Who is equipped more than you sir ? Mention one person? ahmm, are You choosing sit and wait ? Get in and swim.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Blink; do you know what amazes me; there are some people who hold that bravery SAAY showed as crime and they tried to give him a guilty trip. Let him wait though, no one will come out without being ruined under this twisted situation Eritrea is in. You got to pick your battles but not now, not the right time to dive in.

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            Like whom , like the losers who even wanted to give Aseb , like the losers who dine and wine with weyane while rapping and taking Eritreans hard earned money ? Who is opposing is still in debate because you can’t count the weyane goons like opposition, can you ? I don’t think so . Saay is the real Eritrean opposition while these who accuse him for what he did in 1998-2000 are cowards and deki ketelti comandis as well as weldegeba. I always dismiss their cry as “ evil teardrops “ let them go to mekele and dance.

          • saay7

            Blink:

            Yeah, I do. And I consider it a personal failure that after years of writing I still have defeatists who follow my writing:)

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Well , it sadness me that you didn’t know your power . The reason your followers become defeatist can be because you did not stir things as you should. The thing is saay , you did not activate your passion to take your followers to your vision. It is your failure ,don’t try to say more because I am not buying that you don’t have the resume .

            Let’s celebrate your personal failure by saying” who knows next “

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            Let me modify my statement from throwing the responsibilities to you, to “let us join hand to your idea MEE.” Skills are not born within us. We learn them in the process. I had no experience when I started back in late 60s and early 70s. We just do it with our colleagues in the belly of the enemy however it works. Actually, it is safe to mobilize here than to mobilize in the belly of the enemy. Your acquaintances are so broad on both side of our political spectrum, and your approach is so persuasive to do it, by making calls from your office table. It is a matter of interest and commitment to it. You brought the noble idea and you have to be on the lead to translate the idea. So let us join hand to emancipate our people. The idea of “emancipation” is the center of the theme that anyone could associate to it. ኣግእዞ ህዝብና የድሊ’ሎ:: ተዓወት: አዔውተና ሓደራ::

            Regards

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            Are you saying Saay is the “Crown Prince In Waiting” of Eritrea?

            I give enthusiastic two thumbs up.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sir Amde,

            Beside, he is also from the middle age group in the early 50s as part of the qualifications.

          • Alex

            Hi Saay,
            That MEE slogan is brilliant idea. What we need is some body like you who have the caliber to bring us all with different political ideologies for common purpose which is bringing positive change in Eritrea peacefully. Kemaka ybzhu saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            And when was the last time you listed to your friend iSem, Akjjah:-)
            አቦታትና ክምስሉ ከለው ክምዚ ይብሉ ነበሩ፡ አብ ላዕሊ ዘለኦ ንፋ፡ አብ ታሕቲ ዘሎ ድማ ውሕጅ ይሰ:So forget about all my DJing you, just do the last one

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            How about the nomination and choosing Dr. Abiy Ahmed as PM?
            .
            Mr. K.H

  • Patriot

    Selam Alex. You are indeed correct. Strange it is how the intense hatred that some have against Isaias has turned into passive condonement of Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Badme. Ironically, while there is absolutely no question that should Ethiopia withdraw from Badme, that Isaias’s days would be numbers, they still insist to the contrary in this regard.

  • blink

    Dear Alex
    Do you think PFDJ will abandon their screw you policy even after weyane pull out from Badme ?

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      I think it is abiy not weyane. Tplf couldn’t make peace until now .

      • blink

        Dear Teodrose
        I think I am not convinced that TPLA is all dead , they have the money ( Effort and Metec) and the military apparatus are in their hand and until this changes are not done , weyane still wields power to extend to stop any peace.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          Forget metec and effort .the talk about them from both side r 90% propaganda. The rest u r right they will remain to be seen but the talk was about the new reformed leadership of eprdf lead by dr abiy , if he make peace with eri or not.
          And nobody says tplf is dead .it is getting to its size.

          • sara

            Tedros, i wish peace to reign in Ethiopia…. but can we say the recent development as ..is it kind of Pig and Lipstick thing ? or something different.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam sara
            In theory there will be change in the new leadership of eprdf. I hope it will include change of eritrea policy(leaving the occupied territories) But the new leadership have not start thier job .so it will remain to be seen .

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam blink,
      .
      I think you need a conference with Nitricc. He doesn’t think there is going to be any major changes. PFDJ of course will continue with their screw policy.
      PMAA will offer to go to Asmara to discuss Badme in a real brotherly tone, PIA will say no discussion and PMAA will say o.k no discussion….then no discussion. You, nittric and hope will go to your default positions and the world will continue to turn.
      .
      PMAA will become PMAA on April 2nd, the day after you can start to demonize him. Until then your hopeful outlook and giving him a little slack is appreciated.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • blink

        Dear Kim
        You forget the border decision was final and binding , that means no discussion. Remove your military from badme and that’s all. What kind of discussion are you saying?

        Abyi , Hi Issaias we need to talk
        Issaias, about what ?
        Abyi , about border
        Issaias, we already agreed in Aljers
        Abyi , ahmm dummy Meles , he screwed this for me.
        Issaias, relax , I have done very well for myself.

        Kkkkk so they say .

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          What if he say
          Abiy, hi issaias we need to talk
          Issaias , about what
          Abiy. About withdrawing drom badema according to eebc and make peace
          Issaias. Ok withdraw first and call me right away
          Abiy, ok
          Isaias, ok
          And than the reformed eprdf(not meles) make peace with eri.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            If both infact agreed to do that , well the Eritreans have to join hand to forum a transitional government away from PFDJ and move Eritrea to a constitutional government and if Issaias said nope , we change Asmara in to Qero camp , what’s he going to say ? He has no reason to say anything. Believe me most young people and all my colleagues of the Warsay generation do believe PFDJ political capital has to do with Ethiopia is coming.

            For their failures, the opposition never questioned Ethiopia to respect international rules , that is I think the biggest failure of Opposition.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            implementing eebc have same impact on democratization of eritrea but it has a lot of impact on stabilizing (end national military) and economic growth and international diplomacy.
            If u carefully listen to eritreans , they say tplf is coming not ethiopia.

    • Natom Habom

      Selam blink
      Why linking the departure of pfdj with woyane leaving badime
      It have nothing to do , this is eritrea territorial integrity ,and even so
      Who would be the replacement no viable opposition
      They busy fighting each other even if it happen
      They already tested foreign fund money so they cannot work
      For the interest of the country but for foreign entity,
      I think pfdj will rule for hundred years to come and it’s better like that ,there is no law that said it’s a crime To rule for longer years .
      Eritrea need a strong man that can keep the country together in this time of great challenge

  • Paulos

    Selam Alex,

    I actually agree with you. They need to pull out of Bad’me particularly the people at the border who had made their living through exchanging of goods back and forth are hurting. Let them hand Isaias a political victory to show something for his constituency.

    • Alex

      Hi Paulo,
      If they leave Badme it will be a win-win situation for both countries and the person that will lose the most is PIA. Once the border is demarcated PIA will not have any excuse to hold the constitution and demobilization of national service hostage any more.

      • Paulos

        Alex,

        Good job brother. I agree!

      • saay7

        Alex, Paulos:

        Ethiopia should get out of Badme and environs now for the same reason it should have had the day after the EEBC ruling: because that’s what international law requires and that’s what it’s obligated to do.

        As for its impact on governance in Eritrea, this is like saying that a serial killer will stop killing because his landlord was forced to return a security deposit check. After Badme, it will be “The TPLF didn’t do this out of the kindness of its heart: now more than ever we need to be be vigilant to defend ourselves from a force with a grudge.” Insert appropriate proverb here dealing with cornered animals. Then there will be the issue of sanctions. After sanctions it will be nation-building. Remember, the “wefri warsai yikaalo” (national service) is billed as essential to nation-building.

        Here’s where we come to an area of separation within awate: you either believe the report of the commission of inquiry which said the Eritrean regime is guilty of committing crimes against humanity or you don’t. If you do, you know the regime has chosen its path and it has nothing to do with constitutionalism, rule of law, elections or reform. If you don’t, then you will think “if only X were to happen, Y would happen.”

        saay

        • iSem

          Hi Sal:
          I agree. Leaving Badme will benefit Ethiopia than Eri, it will benefit them in terms of being good citizens of the word by complying with the international ruling, But it may hurt the residents who lived there for 40 years when IA blessed Badme to theTPLF, would they move or would they live under PFDJ rule, it can be a mess. But for Eri, it will not make a dent, unlike the popular wisdom of IA will be cornered with no excuse, that is just the same excuse we give like the guy gave to SGJ that they do not even know what RIGHT means. Withdrawing from Badme will not improve the Eritrean life, the torture and rape by PFDJ will not let up, in fact they will intensify as some gullible may ask, now our border is demarcated, where is the cons.
          To be blunt this Badme and border argument is the stupidest argument
          Ethiopia are you listening…. finish the statement for me 🙂

          • Kaddis

            Dear iSem –
            Ethiopia needs to sort this out mainly for geo-political reason. Plus the bordering citizens. The fact that Ethiopia managed to isolate Shabia at one stage does not mean it will stay the same forever. Ethiopia, unlike its past, is now being forced to take sides in the middle east crisis – I think more on the Quatari side ( although UAE FM was here few weeks ago).
            There is the Saudi and Cairo connection; which some suspects even factored in the imprisonment of Al Amoudi.
            So Ethiopia needs to proactively work on the peace process – other options are too expensive for a poor nation like ours.

        • Paulos

          Sal,

          In a rather classic experiment, a big fish and a small fish were separated by an extremely transparent thin glass in a big tank. The big fish tried several times to get the small fish but it would keep bouncing back and after a while it gives up. But later on when the thin glass was removed, the big fish didn’t make a move because it thought that the thin glass was still there. Behavioral Psychologist call it, “Learned Hopelessness.”

          We are so used to seeing and witnessing negative answers and deceiving actions coming from Isaias and it becomes incredibly hard for us to see him embracing constructive actions including when we do future assessments as well.

          Alex strikes me as one of the staunch supporters of Isaias where his support for him seems however based on certain conditions. Thousands more Eritreans share the same rationale with Alex where they truly believe that, once Weyane pulls out of Badme, Isaias will bring the country to normalcy. Again, their support for him is conditional, as such, if Isaias flips and resorts into making other excuses, Alex and the thousands like him will turn on Isaias. If we step out of the boundries of learned hopelessness, we maybe able to see things from a different angle. No patronising intended.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saay,

          I do not understand the idea by some fellow Eritreans, if Ethiopia leaves Badme, that the heart and humanity of Issayas and his colleague will change. Issayas was brute in 70s, was brute in the 80s, was brute in the 90s, way before the incidence of Badme. Where is the logic with the belief that Issayas will change his behavior if Ethiopia leaves Badme? Sooner or later Ethiopia will leave Badme if the treat that comes from Issayas is removed. Issayas has been the treat of our people and the treat of our neighbors.

          Second, if Ethiopia has to leave, the mechanism of the agreement has to be in place in order to be demarcated. The “mechanism of the implementation” is also part of the decision of EEBC.You can’t say just Ethiopia has to leave. At least they must understand the entire pack of the agreement and call the regime to work on how to bring back the mechanism back to fininalize the demarcation. Unfortunately, we are recycling the debate.

          Regards

          Regards

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma, Berhe, Amde:

            Amde, if only Nixon (a man who made a career out of hating communism) could go to China to normalize US-China relations, then only an Ethiopia Wey Mot type of ultra nationalist Ethiopian can normalize relations with Eritrea, and vice versa. So maybe the Lema-Abiyes “emama Ethiopia” uber nationalism will give them the ticket to give up Badme, after sufficient horse trading with TPLF.

            Berhe, I agree that “if only Ethiopia were to leave Badme, if only the UN were to lift the sanctions” is a credible precondition to many Eritreans. One of the reasons it’s very effective is because it’s flattering. As my frenemy Bronwyn Brutton tweeted, lifted these conditions and then Eritreans will be “unstoppable”: they will just be making one demand after another. It’s flattering because it gives people an alibi for not making any demands now and like most flattering statements it makes little sense. What does Badme have to do with making people disappear? What does it have to do for not being people to a court of law? The worst thing we can do as citizens is to refuse to recognize the suffering of our compatriots and there were quite a few who suffered in the 1990s, when the PFDJ was having no sanctions or Badme issues. It also insults those who, undaunted by Badme or sanctions, rose up for accountability and rule of law and were made to disappear (Akhria, Forto, G15, and many others without a catchy group name.)

            Emma my friend: nobody is a better expert at this than the ERBC judges and the “mechanism” argument of Ethiopia was a ruse. They, international lawyers, had a sequence of actions to take and Ethiopia said, in writing, “no!” and the judges said Ok, here’s a “virtual demarcation” and our work is done. But like you said no need to rehash the same arguments

            Saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Saay7
            To add to your argument that “maybe the Lema-Abiye Emama Ethiopia uber nationalism will give them the ticket to give up Badme,”, Dr. Abiy made it to the rank of Lt. Col after the border war. Having participated in the war, he might be able to convince his constituency that he is not betraying the sacrifices made by his fellow soldiers. It would be harder for a complete civilian to go back on a reason the war was waged for. He could argue that he knows first hand the sacrifices that were made and returning Badme to Eritrea would lead to the achievement of the ultimate goal for Ethiopians in that they would have a lasting peace etc.

          • Amde

            Selam Abrehet, Saay and blink,

            Abrehet dear I chose to respond under you to hopefully keep you posting more.

            I agree that the Nixon-in-China argument is good for seeing Lemma/Abiy as an opportunity to relook at the border. But Nixon was believable on China because people believed that he would do a hard-nosed DEAL on behalf of American interest.

            The Lemma/Abiy as Nixon argument should then also assume that there will be a hard-nosed DEAL they can take back.

            See a pattern? Isayyas says NO DEAL.

            In that case, there is absolutely no incentive for Lemma/Abiy to offer anything to Isayyas.

            I am assuming we are not looking at the joke argument of Badme town, but basically a large chunk of Shire.

            blink’s point that many Tigrayans feel the closure of the border has had negative economic consequences is correct. Actually the issue is not just Tigray but pretty much northern Ethiopia – Gonder, and Northern Wollo. Those are primarily the merchant/trader/business class. But their issue boils down to
            (a) the smaller issue of closure of access to the Massawa and Assab ports which are purely logisical issues,
            (b) the larger issue of how to spark capitallst economic growth like that in Addis+, which would require deeper questions of economic integration of the north with eritrea.
            .
            I don’t know specifically what the numbers are but based on what is happening in Welqayt, I am sure there are many new Tigrayan farmers being settled in the plains that the court also awarded to Eritrea. The nature of the land is also such that I am sure there are many of the bona fide investor (commercial farming – possibly even EFFORT money) class.

            Perhaps I am wrong, In any case, I am arguing there is a large Tigrayan constituency whose material interest (not just political or ego) is tied to the maintenance of the status quo.

            And that is just Tigray.

            As far as Eritreans, perhaps many will be happy to just close off the border, consider that a closed chapter and turn their backs on Ethiopia. But somehow I don’t believe so. It is in their economic and even political interests for large constituencies to have tight economic relationship with Ethiopia.

            Which means a deal.

            So, it really boils down to,
            a) Ethiopia gets a Deal, or
            b) Ethiopia gets compelled.

            My guess is (b) is unlikely in the foreseeabe future, and I am sure you will agree with me. So the probability is higher of Ethiopia getting a deal.

            My other guess is, Isayyas will be likely to make a deal once he feels power has decisively shifted to Addis from Meqele. I just don’t think he cares as much for/about Badme vs his hatred of Weyane.

            He could also keel over and die tomorrow. In which case, we will know if this is an Isayyas personal pathology or PFDJ policy.

            Amde

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde,
            I only meant, should Dr. Abiy wish to start discussing with Eritrea, he would have good chance to convince Ethiopians that he was not betraying their causes.
            As to Isaias, his only reason for existence is to continue with his absolute power. In the past, when he to some extent relied on money raised from the Eritrean diaspora, it helped him to show Ethiopia as eminent threat. Now that he has money coming from mining he is not interested in convincing the diaspora. As to the national service, it is useful to keep every individual under control. He will continue it as long as he can, using any excuse. At some point, UAE and Saudi will solve their own problems and abandon him, unless he has leased/sold the land indefinitely. When/if that happens he will continue to meddle wherever possible and try to achieve his “game over” prediction. I personally think the flight of Eritreans has passed critical point. When Isaias eventually departs, after a short time of confusion, it will be obvious that without a migration of a people from the south and from Sudan, any of the villages/towns may not be viable.

          • Amde

            Dear Abrehet,

            You said ” I personally think the flight of Eritreans has passed critical point. When Isaias eventually departs, after a short time of confusion, it will be obvious that without a migration of a people from the south and from Sudan, any of the villages/towns may not be viable.”

            I have to tell you your last three sentences really saddened me. Its shocking.

            Amde

          • Selam Amde.

            When somebody puts together on the same page dia and badme, unwittingly he/she is playing dia’s card. Both ways (solved or unsolved) he is going to reap the outcome and stay in power. Moreover he will play the role of the invincible, the undaunted and the superhuman, and he may even end up forming a family cult that will rule eritrea for generations, until the day somebody in the military gets fed-up (which should have happened a long time ago), breaks the chain and saves eritrea with the help of its people.

            With dia standing shoulder to shoulder with the enemies of ethiopia, full of ill-will and entertaining his big dream for the disintegration of ethiopia, and when everybody knows that he started the war of aggression and became the reason for the death of tens of thousands of ethiopians, nobody is ready there to bribe him.

            Badme is not an easy things to solve as it looks when seen from the outside. The ethiopian government is a coalition government, things like badme are not going to be decided by one man or one party as it used to be when tplf was omnipotent, but it will be discussed and then passed through the ethiopian parliament for approval. The support it is going to have, no one can tell. If dr. abiy were el sisi, he could have decided alone and forced the parliament to endorse his decision of giving the two small islands in the red sea to the ksa, as el sisi did.

            Whatever happened between eplf and tplf when they were in the bushes, and how badme came in to the hands of tplf, does not interest most ethiopians, but the cost paid in tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions to counter dia/pfdj aggression, who were preparing themselves for that day when they started the military service in 1995.

            In my opinion, badme will not be one of the main issues on dr. abiy’s agenda in the short term. Peace and stability within ethiopia will take most of his time and will be the most important thing on his mind. Therefore, it is going to take a long process, and dr. abiy or the opdo alone, do not have the power to solve badme alone

            The main problem of eritrea is dia, and the solution for dia/pfdj are found in the hands of the eritrean military and people, and not in ethiopia or badme. In the future, a legitimate and peace-loving government in eritrea can do all the miracles eritrea needs.

            (Sorry, one cannot discuss the issue without repeating)

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            On what reasonable cause should Issaias continue the national service to unlimited time ? What can he possibly say that the people can buy his reasoning? I don’t believe national service will continue for unlimited years, if he say so the whole PFDJ will collapse at one day . Second the migration critical point is not true unless you are using the American computer calculator that they used to declare the Vietnamese were finished , people never stoped producing copies of their DNA. If you check the 8-9 grade students ,the classes are always full . So people are there , it is not like some people think .

          • saay7

            Selam Amde:

            You are in top form, as usual.

            On the Nixon-in-China deal, there was nothing Nixon got that Carter/Johnson or some other Dem couldn’t have gotten. The key was given Nixon’s hate of communism, it was accepted that whatever deal he struck would be in the best interest of the US. Similarly, any Ethiopian but Weyane would be seen as striking the best deal for Ethiopia given the dual loyalty TPLF is suspected of by many Ethiopians (given that Tigray and Liberation thing.)

            China got to open itself up to the world and US got to separate two giant communist nations (PRC and USSR.) What is the win-win for Ethiopia and Eritrea? Ethiopia gets to lift a bit of the outlaw status it has internationally (defying international law now offset by participating in a lot of peacekeeping missions); it gets peace and security from a long shared and porous border; it improves the livelihood of its northern people and gets access to severely underutilized ports which at the very least can be leveraged to get better deals from Djibouti and Somaliland. And it can create a wedge between Eritrea and the assorted baddies it’s befriending.

            For this happen, Isaias has to get Badme and environs and this must be seen as brokered by US (after all to Isaias, Ethiopia is a US client state.) With US involved in brokering the Ethiopia deal, lifting the sanctions becomes easy as the European members of SC are agnostic on the issue of sanctions. That’s to Isaias, Badme and lifting sanctions are a one-two lunch. After that, there is nothing he won’t do to reverse anything. He might even make Oromo the official language 🙂

            Notice I am saying Ethiopia and Isaias and not Ethiopia and Eritrea because I don’t see any benefit flowing to the Eritrean people from any of this. The National Service would continue (nation building); there would be no economic or political reform and absolutely no change in his view towards civil liberties.

            saay

          • saay7

            Selam Amde:

            You are in top form, as usual.

            On the Nixon-in-China deal, there was nothing Nixon got that Carter/Johnson or some other Dem couldn’t have gotten. The key was given Nixon’s hate of communism, it was accepted that whatever deal he struck would be in the best interest of the US. Similarly, any Ethiopian but Weyane would be seen as striking the best deal for Ethiopia given the dual loyalty TPLF is suspected of by many Ethiopians (unfair but inevitable given that Tigray and Liberation thing.)

            China got to open itself up to the world and US got to separate two giant communist nations (PRC and USSR.) What is the win-win for Ethiopia and Eritrea? Ethiopia gets to lift a bit of the outlaw status it has internationally (defying international law now offset by participating in a lot of peacekeeping missions); it gets peace and security from a long shared and porous border; it improves the livelihood of its northern people and gets access to severely underutilized ports which at the very least can be leveraged to get better deals from Djibouti and Somaliland. And it can create a wedge between Eritrea and the assorted baddies it’s befriending.

            For this happen, Isaias has to get Badme and environs and this must be seen as brokered by US (after all to Isaias, Ethiopia is a US client state.) With US involved in brokering the Ethiopia deal, lifting the sanctions becomes easy as the European members of SC are agnostic on the issue of sanctions. That’s to Isaias, Badme and lifting sanctions are a one-two lunch. After that, there is nothing he won’t do to reverse anything. He might even make Oromo the official language 🙂

            Notice I am saying Ethiopia and Isaias and not Ethiopia and Eritrea because I don’t see tangible benefit flowing to the Eritrean people from any of this. The indefinite National Service would continue (nation building); there would be no economic or political reform and absolutely no change in his view towards civil liberties.

            saay
            (Reposted to fat finger accident)

          • Mez

            Dear Saay,

            I may be wrong.

            1) I see no single compelling reason for the new Ethiopian government to open any far reaching negotiation with Eritreans. There is now ,as before, a divergent view on key policies of economics, security, and sociopolitics.

            2) On the other hand working very close with the Sudan, Somalia, and Somaliland on item#1) may allow Ethiopia to have an ever increasing leverage againest Eritrea.

            3) I strongly think, there needs to be a new transformative cycle of self assessment in Eritrean political arena; I see a big gap between the wish to do and the power to achieve.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            These three points are very crystal clear, to the point, not far from the truth, if we see the realities and the trajectories of the current events. I can’t agree more.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            Do you mean when the power is shifted to Amara from Togrians, when you say “power has decisively shifted to Addis from Meqele”? If the struggle of Ethiopian politics is to always shift from one ethnic to another, you will not have a healthy politics at all. This justifies how deep is the mistrust of the three contending social groups on the one hand, and how genuine were EPRDF to design the kind of Federation to prescribe for the Ethiopian realities on the other hand.

            In the politics of government of diversified society, the “appropriateness of governmental structure” to install for in a nation is totally dependent on the nature of the relationship of the social groups that made to a “nation state”. EPRDF knew the nature of the relationships of the Ethiopian social groups and have designed ethnic Federalism that holds the unity of “modern Ethiopia”. Any attempt to dismantle this structure of government, the four major social groups, the Amara, the Oromo, the togrian, the Somalis will demand secession. The Afars will look for their kinship. Attacking TPLF is attacking tigrians who sacrificed for the creation of modern Ethiopia which is far far modern government than we know and lived in our life time. So Ethiopians should be careful on the political language they use in their communication with each other. And do not forget your enemies will use the fault lines within your social groups to destabilize you nation. There are many reforms needed in governing your people, but changing the current Federalism should not be one of them for there is nothing that holds you together. The political priority needed at this time to open a political space for other parties, that should start immediately in the coming election cycle. Then the rest will follow.

            Regards

          • Selam Ammanuel H,

            When you say, “attacking tplf is attacking tigreans ……”, i find it difficult to see if it is the right analogy. The people of tigray may have sacrificed a lot, but they were not in any way imaginable beneficiaries as the tplf ruling elites, who ruled the country from the center. We shouldn’t also forget that tplf did not create modern ethiopia alone, without the huge moral and financial support it got from outside, unlike any past ethiopian government.

            Ethiopians are not attacking in anyway possible the people of tigray, but the policy of tplf, which had become authoritarian, and the people of tigray were also living under this authoritarianism. Ethiopians showed their solidarity to the people of tigray by shedding their blood during the 1998-2000 war of aggression, when their regional state was overrun by the eritrean regime.

            I am among those who support ethnic federalism in ethiopia, because of the ethnic makeup of the country, the ethnic divisions that lead to the mushrooming of ethnic liberation fronts and the long lasting wars of destruction all over the country. Of course, tplf would have found difficult to rule ethiopia otherwise.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            Oh boy..

            Unfortunately you started off by misquoting me.

            A) You said: “What do you mean when you say “power has to decisively shifted to Addis from Meqele”?”
            I said “Isayyas will be likely to make a deal once he feels power has decisively shifted to Addis from Meqele.”

            B) You said “Do you mean when power shifted from Tigrians to Amara?”
            I said no such thing. Tigrai is Tigrai, Shewa is Shewa. Tigrai has had a basically monolithic culture in its people and political elite. Shewa has had a diverse ethnic population and political elite (primarily Amara Oromo and Gurage). And Shewa is not Gonder, which for all intents and purposes resembles Tigrai in its monolithic social and political elite demographics, other than the language.

            C) You said ” If the struggle of Ethiopian politics is to always shift from one ethnic to another, you will not have a healthy politics at all. ”
            I agree with you, but here we are talking of power transition from the Tigrai ethnic group to the Oromo ethnic group. And we are precisely talking about that because that is thd EPRDF imposed system we have in place. Power can never stay at one place forever, it will shift. Two/three generations ago a power shift would have been a Shewa Wollo Harer etc thing because that was. Now it is shifting from TPLF to OPDO so we literally have no other way to describe it other than ethnic shift.

            D) Actually, I cannot blame you for equating in your mind Shewa = Amara. It is an accepted orthodoxy of a section of the student movement that was in power and is now exiting the scene. But it is an error.. a major error in fact. All I will say is, it led to a series of decisions for which we are paying the price now.

            E) You said “EPRDF knew exactly as to the nature of the relationships of the Ethiopian social groups and have designed ethnic Federalism that holds the unity of “modern Ethiopia”. ”

            Well i beg to differ very strongly. I would say they have a Cartoonish (even Trumpian) understanding of the society, so they imposed a Cartoonish system with predictable results. If you have not been following the news, we have probably the highest number of internally displaced people in an otherwise “peaceful” country. College campuses have more ethnic triggered fights and fatalities. Soccer games have to be held at neutral settings because they are having ethnic centered fights. You can’t blame the old regimes for this because they are all the generation that grew up under EPRDF.

            F) You said, “Any attempt to dismantle this structure of government, the four major social groups, the Amara, the Oromo, the tigrian, the Somalis will demand secession. The Afars will look for their kinship in Eritrea and Djibouti.”

            I don’t think so. This is just EPRDF scaremongering.

            G) “Attacking TPLF is attacking tigrians who sacrificed for the creation of modern Ethiopia which is far far modern government than we know and lived in, in our life time.”

            Gash Amanuel, please Martyr Worship doesn’t work for me. The TPLF is an organization that killed off ALL political competition in Tigray on its way to Addis. And “killed off” is not a metaphorical statement, it is actual fact. Now we have a sham of a democracy, and armies of torturers. (Speaking of which, do you know torture is so prevalent there is a popular song about it… https://youtu.be/4TLNK2suFoo. (See how it ends)) I wouldn’t be surprised if objectively there are more prison, more political prisoners, and more torturers than during Derg times. The “system” 27 years in the making, cannot survive one clean election. Even in Tigrai. And mark my words, you will see Tigrayans fighting the ethnic federation model in increasing numbers.

            H) “There are many reforms needed in governing your people, but changing the current Federalism should not be one of them, for there is nothing that holds you together. ” This one actually i found offensive. There was Ethiopia before EPRDF, there will be Ethiopia after EPRDF. Do you.know who is talking about “Ethiopiawinet” the most nowadays? That’s right.. EPRDF big wigs, the regional media. Lemma on his speech to BahrDar. AbaDula at Menelik’s Adwa commemoration. Oromiya state media and ETV. Even assuming they are faking and saying it for political expediency, you must agree they must see a lot of political profit for them to spend so much time and effort on it. Oh yes, we do have something powerful, and it is now finding its place in EPRDFs powercenters.

            I agree with you on opening up the political space for the opposition. The sooner we get the people’s duly elected representatives discussing the peoples business in parliament, the better.

            As to Amde, my stand against ethnic federation is eternal. አራት ነጥብ።

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            First “virtual demarcation” is not demarcation. The case is not closed with virtual demarcation. The case could be opened when both parties are ready. “Virtual demarcation” in this case it means “delimitation map”. Indeed what they gave them is delimitated map of the border that includes Badume. So it is up to the antagonist governments. Therefore, If both governments are ready, the international community will reinstate the implementation mechanism and continue to put the markers on the ground.

            Regard

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            “virtual demarcation” means demarction on the map( this longitude that latitude) . so it means it’s already demarcated , u know where ur border line and the rest is occupation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam TA,

            No delimitation is on the map. Demarcation on the ground. Go and check it out your self. Even EEBC didn’t call it demarcation. They call it virtual demarcation, for the obvious reason we all know.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            But i heard eritrean ambassador to kenya said ” eri, ethio and Au have the map according to eebc.
            Listen to him and dina (ethiopian ambassador) when they talk in kenya tv.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam TD,

            Both words are technical words. Instead he said this and he said that, go google it and find out the difference.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay and Amde,

            I am with you and I do not believe Isayas will change anything.

            Before 2000 G13 or G15, sept 18, Isayas had a lot followers (almost 99%). But the actions he took, against the G15, the journalists, exposed him, I mean a LOT. I was one of those people who turned against him the day after Sept 18. There were people who were against him earlier than that, some from ELF days, some after mai Habar, some after the tegadelti demonstration, some after the ERITREAN Muslim disappearance. etc. some after the removal of the patriarch, some after the closure of minority church on and on, some after they go to Eritrea and witness or something happened to their close relatives.

            I have friends who were staunch supportes when I was turned and we almost lost touch because the whole thing become toxic. I was surprised years later to know and they told me “you were right, we didn’t this guy would go this far”.

            I know very, very few (not even in person but what I read in the internet) who were against the regime and turned and become supporters.

            What I am saying is, every event becomes an opportunity IA to lose supportes.

            The Badime and Ethiopia thing gives him a moral high ground to make an argument and a case.

            A lot of Eritreans believe the boarder demarcation guarantee them peace. Absolutely not, if Ethiopia is provoked, because Eritrea does something against its safety and security its within its right to retaliate, as long as it builds a case and find justification for it.

            The only guarantee Eritrea has is to clean its house and play by the international rule.

            But we know this and we can say it 100 times there Eritreans who do not know this or do not believe it and for better or for worse they would rather wait it out.

            So what I say is, it’s not only the right thing but it’s a strategy to deny IA legitimacy to continue to rule.

            I am convienced any youth would say “I finished my national service, why should I stay longer” and that number will grow.

            It’s long road but that’s how we will get to the destination of eventually creating enough momentum until no body is left standing to support him.

            Berhe

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Seaay, Aman, Berhe, Amde

            This is what one Eritrean twitted the other day:

            “on google earth, you can check out the war trenches all over the border between Eritrea and Ethiopia (past and present). they are so mind-boggling (on so many levels)!!!”

            I checked it out myself, mind boggling is under statement. I wonder if the trenches equal all civil structures built in Eritrea and Ethiopia in the past 15 years…what a waste!

            hm

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. As I am sure that you know, within the EEBC decision framework, discussions on ‘implementation’ are at the prerogative of Eritrea and NOT Ethiopia and should Eritrea not wish to enter into discussions in regards to ‘implementation’ then Ethiopia should simply withdraw. Sir Elihu Lauterpacht’s comments in this regard are vividly clear. Ethiopia has flat out and undeniably refused to abide by the EEBC decision.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            There is no disagreement on the refusal of Ethiopia. The problem with us is, how to make Ethiopia to abide with the ruling. “Just leave our land” is not a solution, and Ethiopia will not leave by such empty reactions. Call both governments to sit and resolve the pending issue of the agreement. Sitting in a round table does not change our position on the occupied land. Discuss on the pending and demarcate the border ones for all. Without talking nothing could be resolved unless we opt a force to eject therm from the occupied land. Let us talk about the feasible approach, if we want to resolved the very consequential issue we are facing.

            Regards

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,
            Sympathizers never are short of excuse.
            Brute in 70’s killing of fighters መንካዕ, ፋሉል, የሚን = ኣብ ቃልሲ ዘሎ እዩ
            Brute in 90’s killing and incarceration of ስንኩላን፤ ጅሆቫ፤ቢትወደድ = ታተ ትብል ሃገር እንታይ ግበር ይብሉዎ
            Brute in 00’s Genocide ላምፐዱሳ፤ ስደት ፤ኩሊት, G-15 = ባድመ
            He is brute for life and they are loyal zombies for life.

        • Amde

          Saay,

          Well said on the “if only Badme returns Isayyas is done for” statement. The logic was never clear to me.

          Setting your international law argument aside:

          I had thought Badme was a chip Weyane wanted to play with Isayyas, but (if reports/rumors were to be believed) he constantly spurned them In other words, he doesn’t want Badme as bad as he wants to see Weyane defeated or at least come crawling back. Besides, he surely reads these pages and knows the Eritrean opposition “consensus” that says “after Badme you’re done”.

          Weyane is harboring hopes of “ethnic loyalty at the end of the day”. Isayyas is playing a revamped Shewa vs Hamassein vs Tigrai game. I think Semere Tesfai’s hypothesis of “Peace in Asmara is proportional to distance of Ethio power center from the Eri/Ethio border” seems more descriptive of Asmara’s strategic thinking.

          If the center of Ethio politics shifts south, then Badme becomes less of a Tigrai issue and more of an Ethiopian issue. It becomes less and less a prize TPLF can hand out in a TPLF-favoring quid pro quo with Isayyas. Conversely, it would not be in the interest of whoever is in Addis to piss off Tigrayans by handing over Badme. Why would Addis give a post-Weyane Weyane reason to start talking to Isayyas/(a belligerent Eritrea)?

          Right now, there is absolutely no Ethiopian constituency for returning Badme. There is no upside, especially with TPLF still in the governing coalition. If anything, Lemma’s speech (note his tone of voice at that section) in Bahr Dar mentioned the sacrifices paid at Badme as (paraphrasing) “… those who fought did not do so because they were paid (tekeflon aydelem be-ewnet), but because they felt it was their sacred duty….” It implies there is a large non-Tigrayan defense constituency AGAINST returning Badme.

          Now, if TPLF is out of the coalition let’s say, the international law argument could be invoked, with TPLF’s bungling of the issue blamed to provide political cover.

          So, no change from the Ethio side at least until the next election,

          I am afraid people dreaming of unseating Isayyas if only Badme comes back are just dreaming.

          So sayeth Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde and all,

            I have seen few posts in FB where people from Tigray were talking about returning badime and end the stalement, they are our cousins, the Tigray people are paying heavy price etc etc.

            I think it’s a good sign but the timing seems a little bit suspicious.

            I think ERITREAN opposition should continue to press Ethiopia towards demarcation and it will expose Isayas further.

            I think there are a lot, I mean HUGE number of Eritreans who are sold to the idea that Eritrea is forced into the situation, and they associate that, if not for Isayas, Eritrea would go back to Ethiopia or Ethiopia would come rather.

            My own brother and sister think this way and we are inches away from punching each other:).

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            Actually the way you articulated it gave me a new perspective. I did not think of the common Eritrean’s view as “if this fence is not closed, we have no guarantees about tomorrow” That is an understandable point of view. Just not a realistic one – I don’t think there is any appetite to invade Eritrea. But Eritreans don’t believe that, so we are in a pickle.

            It remains that ultimately Eritreans will have to rely on International Law. They are better served with a leader who has the diplomatic and moral authority to garner international support to force Ethiopia’s hand. The current route of destabilizing Ethiopia, which is a direct threat to the regional and global peace, puts Eritrea at loggerheads with the international community.

            Amde

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,
            I believe the evil in Isayas is exposed enough long time ago . No excuse at all.
            I am disturbed by your ” HUGE ” eritreans thinking they are protected by DIA. I consider your sample is biased.
            The country has never been so vulnerable than today thanks to DIA

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Have you ever traveled to Tigrai ? Many well to do people still think the war was only trashing Tigray while other parts of Ethiopia has the largest investment. I talked to many people and the sense is the same , Badme is not worth the lose Tigrians are carrying. Tigray can only develop if it has a good communication with Eritrea. The pressure to settle the border with Eritrea is getting louder by the day in Tigray. Forget Alula Solomon, Daniel Brhane and Dawit because these guys can’t live with out the current problem.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            When lemma talked about bedema in bahir dar he was talking about the oromo people sacrifice for ethiopia. 2nd , to believe the war between tplf and eitrea was about border is wrong , the war is more about dominance and tplfs tigrai tigragn .3rd, right now i don’t believe any ethiopians including tigraians will be against the eebc.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            The war was about hegemonic competition and TPLF won that soundly, but now the issue is the border. In the abstract, many Ethiopians hate TPLF enough that they would enjoy the schadenfreude of seeing them taken down a notch.

            But Lemma mentioned Badme as an example of Oromo sacrifice for Ethiopia, thereby nationalizing the issue from it strictly being a Tigray issue. Do you think a Lemma that just won on an Ethiopianist agenda will be ready to start off by giving away what the public feels was Ethiopian but was bungled by TPLF? What is the benefit for him or Abiy? Absolutey NADA. What is the cost of maintaining the status quo? Besides the obvious cost of stationing an army, which you would have to anyway because how can you trust Isayyas just because you gave up territory your army spent almost two decades fortifying? Cost is bearable and in fact prudent absent a deal.

            Plus the last thing Dr. Abiy will want to show is that he would be easy to push around so soon at the start of his term. So, absent some meaningful concession from Asmara, he has no incentive to just pack and leave. He would have to do a fair amount of selling job within Ethiopia, and show he got something meaningful out of it. Why would he spend his time and effort and mostly his political capital on something where the most likely outcome would be Wedi-Afom bragging as to how he made “the kid” blink and give up land without firing a shot.

            Nope – I doubt anything will happen until after the next election at the earliest.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I don’t believe for dr Abiy or anybody showing his patriotism by occupying other countries land is good thing to show patriotism. 2nd, there is no need for ethiopia to expect assurance from any of its neighbors , ethiopia is big enough can protect herself any time as long as there is no problem internally. 3rd, is not fair to be cause of misery indirectly and pretend to care(i didn’t mean u but if the gov think that way).

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Amde,
            This is an interesting take. I personally have one uncooked theory that I look forward cooking it more is this: that the best concession an independent Eritrea can get from Ethiopia is through the blessing of Tigriyans. The best concession Eritrea-as-part of Ethiopia can get from Ethiopia is through the blessing of non-Tigrean Ethiopians.

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat,

            Interesting. Far be it from me to tell a sister to start cooking, but i am interested.

            The book “Identity Jilted”, while having significant deplorable content, seems to stand the test of time: Tigrinya speakers’ dilemma of being torn between a Tigrayan ethnic identity vs Eritean national identity. He ignored Ethiopian identity for political reasons.

            Some of the lament from Tigrayans during the HaileSellasie years was that Eritrean Tigrinya speakers were getting sigificant benefit from being part of the ruling class, AT THE EXPENSE of Tigrayans. Many of them interpreted that as deliberate Shewan strategy to weaken a political competitor.

            And TPLF has never lived down the blame of supporting Eri independence as being for its narrow as opposed to its national interests.

            Amde

          • Patriot

            Selam Amde. Maybe I am 100% wrong but I am 100% convinced that should Ethiopia withdraw from Badme, it would mean Isaias’s days as a true-form dictator’ would be numbered. Even if Isaias would thereafter not be completely removed from the scene, his authoritative power would certainly be significantly diminished. Eritrea’s military rank and file, without real reason to have staged presence on the border, would not for long tolerate status quo conditions in regards to service duration, pay, etc. Neither would Eritrea’s civilian population. I get the feeling that those who are quick to totally dismiss the linkage between Badme and Isaias’s dictatorship, are the same group that do not wish to entertain current Eritrean Government reform but only wish for total government replacement.

          • Amde

            Selam Patriot,

            You may very well be right. (Personally consider me a skeptic)

            My point was that at this point in time, there is no benefit for Ethiopia’s rulers to withdraw, whereas there is considerable political risk for them. Neither Isayyas nor the Internatinal Community is inclined or able to compel Ethiopia to withdraw at this point. so the probability of Ethiopian withdrawal without a deal is close to zero.

            That is why it is naive of Eritreans that are waiting for Ethiopia to leave before turning on Isayyas are fooling themselves. Isayyas knows this and is making sure there is no resolution.

            Amde

          • Patriot

            Selam Amde and thanks for your comment. Indeed there is considerable political risk for Ethiopia to withdraw from Badme. However, with a new Oromo PM and given Amhara and Beneshengul-Gumuz regions discontent over the greater Tigray expansionist map, it could perhaps be a suitable time, citing economic interests for both Eritrea and Ethiopia and the need to jointly demilitarise populations, to withdraw from Badme. Nowadays, with the extreme unpopularity of the TPLF in Ethiopia, I am not so sure that Ethiopia’s non-Tigray population (save perhaps the Amhara) would really strongly contest if Ethiopia were to now withdraw from Badme.

          • Amde

            Selam Patriot,

            You know – there are these expressions. “where the rubber meets the road”, “In the trenches”, “Last mile problem”, etc…. Thing look good in theory but the effort required to make them happen makes them impractical.

            What you are saying in the aggregate is to say that Ethiopia can withdraw for vindictve reasons against TPLF, or for long term political machinations against a future post-TPLF Tigray. That is how I am interpreting it.

            I think those are more sentimental/emotional issues, but not worth spending the time and effort to exercise at this point. Besides, most of those need resolution within the land policy the nature of the federal system and the disentanglement of economic interests from the political system. So, fundamental issues that cannot be glibly resolved.

            The main agenda right now is whether the new PM will or can wrest power away from the TPLF domination of the military and security. That is a big file with a thousand and one items within it. I would say Badme falls squarely inside, but considering the many other issues I would rate it low in terms of priority.

            As Mahmudai said, Dr. Abiy has a very full plate, and I don’t see how this becomes a priority for him in the short/medium term. Now, Isayyas COULD create a crisis and try to make it a priority, but my bet is that he wants the status quo to remain.

            So, it is better for Eritreans to stop expecting Ethiopian withdrawals any time soon .At the very least, nothing until the 2020 election.

            Amde

          • Patriot

            Selam Amde. You are indeed probably correct. though I am not saying for vindictive or calculated political reasons. I guess the realities of Ethiopia withdrawing before the 2020 election are up there with the near-term establishment of cross-border McDonalds, KFC and Taco Bell restaurants.
            ‘Those who do not dare to dream, sleep most of the day.’ ~ Marleen Loesje

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            What kind of deal are you having to see ? I mean political capital as money do change hands and as it happens TPLF political capital is eroding gradually and if that tips to its size they can’t drive Ethiopian foreign policy forever, Ethiopian political leaders has to understand that isolating Eritrea will not be beneficial in the long ran and Bademe is not the exact price for that. With ME big pockets going in to Eritrea the time given to Ethiopia is short and infact it will be just until 2022 after that if Issaias stayed healthy, the fertiliser mining will ensure his rule to do as he wish and that means Egypt, Saudi and UAE will get in to Eritrea’s Economy and by that all the hope of peace erodes.
            If the man at 4 kilo is smart enough, he has to outmuscled the Arabs and throw them and their evil motive away from east Africa and dictate the horn Africa on Ethiopian wishes.

            The Ethiopian leaders has to use every card to secure Ethiopia’s long term stability by flexing the diplomacy power Ethiopia has .

          • Amde

            Hi blink,

            I thought Eritrea isolated itself, poking at regional and international interests.

            Remember it is Isayyas that says NO DEAL. I can flip your 2022 date, and say if that is true, then Isayyas has incentive to stay the course.

            Which means that date should give Eritreans nightmares and motivate them to push him out.

            I had a good laugh at your statement:
            “If the man at 4 kilo is smart enough, he has to outmuscled the Arabs and throw them and their evil motive away from east Africa and dictate the horn Africa on Ethiopian wishes.”

            wey gud… that could have come straight out of HaileSellasie/Derg era …

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Hailesellasie was a leader ahead of his time , after all no leadership in Ethiopia did any great work than him to Ethiopia, I mean come on he was ok if you compare to his time in African politics. Infact I believe Ethiopia diplomats do eat his work while he got killed by ignorant man. My understanding is sir , Ethiopian leaders can stay high while Issaias goes low and they can show the world that they are the dominant power in east Africa and can challenge the Arabs .

            Now ,Eritreans has every single reason to topple the man ,there is zero reason why we shouldn’t . Eritrean internal policy ( justice, economic policy, and other many )has zero relation to Ethiopia. Even after Badme the killings and prison of PFDJ will go on , there is zero motive for him to lose his cruelty unless we stop him.

            The fact that you believe Issaias is isolated is just on the news but not in Eritrea. PFDJ has relationship with every other countries except America and Ethiopia if you think isolating is only with certain countries.

            PFDJ can borrow from China and others and still can do what ever he wanted despite the sanctions on paper. PFDJ are infact playing their card without fear , they can buy arms , they can send their crooks to get more courses and many more EU aid money . I don’t know where the isolation is because our world has changed sir , world is entering bipolar orders and there enough space for PFDJ to dance around.

            If you ask me ,PFDJ was at its lowest long time ago but not any more .

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            Well I guess I misjudged you. I am a fan of HaileSelassie – he has a lot to be blamed for, but in aggregate, history will be kind to him. “Infact I believe Ethiopia diplomats do eat his work while he got killed by ignorant man.” well said.

            If your amharic is good, I refer you to search out a ShegerFM radio clip discussion/ ShegerFM is a radio station in Addis. Their YouTube channel has a lot of their shows and the Dec 26 show has a guest talking about Ethiopa needing to have a Red Sea policy and should consider itself a Red Sea power beyond just the port.

            It is an interesting two part discussion.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Oh I am not bad but not like the Esat guys . Well, I am saying his diplomatic connection with the west was and still is the basis for all Ethiopian politics. I don’t believe anyone who represented Ethiopia in international arena can dismiss Hailesslassie contribution.what ever he did to my grand grand fathers has nothing to do with his brilliance really anf all the bad decisions on us was also supported by our own like Asfaha weldemichal and many other killers ( ops , I will be slapped by the unionists like desbele). I personally think when someone has done something visible you have to give credit even if you hate him to death. After all ,Do you know the most bad servant of hailessilassie were originally from Eritrea like Asfaha weldemichale and others who killed Eritreans. His servants like the good professor from Eritrea were infact sweating for his praise. But on top of all I admire his contribution in education. If I have to choose between Mengustu, Meles and Hailessilassie , I would choose him because let’s be honest his generation was not like the current one . About sea , ahmm what can I say Amde . Have you heard about PCB , it is an industrial chemical( polychlorinated biphenyl) this thing can be configured in to over 200 chemicals ) all of them really a harmful substance to humans and animals in general . I called Eritreans who served hailessilassie PCB.

          • Amde

            Hi blink,

            I am curious what is your age range?

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            What lead you to my Age ? 😂, come on Amde , just educate me sir.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            Usually, it’s not what you say that amazes me, but how you say it and how normal people perceive it. You might not care what Haile Sellassie did to your “grand grand father” even if he didn’t rule a generations ago as you make it seem, but I think you should be considerate to his victims who are still around—-this guy is one of them 🙂

          • blink

            Dear SG
            I care about what he did but that is another Topic I guess unless who on earth can say it was a celebration day for my grand grand fathers in 1967 ? What I am saying is sir , he was good at his time only to Ethiopia and I am making it clear that it doesn’t include Eritreans except these servants of his throne.
            I am sorry if I was not clear on that .

            One thing sir , I am not fluent in English as you are plus I am just comparing Hailessilassie to other African leaders.

          • Saleh Johar

            Okay Blink,
            That is what I said there is nothing wrong with what you said, but how you say it. Your English is perfect but try Norwegian if it makes you feel okay 🙂

            By the way, his lackeys, be it Ethiopians or Eritreans did benefit. But you cannot say that in the face of Ethiopians who feel their miseries under him was worse that what befell Eritreans. That is what I tried to bring to your attention.

            Stay good.

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Well , sometimes my apologies can go out from me due to my kindness and the willingness to learn . By the way I don’t use the language you offered to me but I excuse my IP , infact different IPs .
            Excuse me sir . Just hear me you don’t need to listen to me .
            I thought flagging is not acceptable , do I misread posting guidelines nor.25 way down to 25.1 , 25.2 and 25.3

          • Saleh Johar

            Apologies Blink, that never crossed my mind.

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Apologies accepted. I already got warnings, I guess .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            Did you? I do not know if that happened or why. I am not moderating today. Would you care to share, privately?

          • Teodros Alem

            Gash Saleh Johar
            I just want to say this , feleha nigest ethiopia including eritrea was not friendly to non orthodox ethiopians and eritrean at that time and that is sad thing.
            Now i and most ethiopians understand the grievance of eritreans at the time of ” feteha nigest”and believe it was a just case to start a struggle(even i prefer to be under ethio). My point is it was not just hi but the “feteha nigest” was the case of the misery.

          • Saleh Johar

            Indeed Tedros,
            But that document, inspired by many evil people of the time, was not a brief experience—it was alive for centuries and is still crippling the minds of fanatics to this day.

            Thank you

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,
            .
            ” Haile Selassie was a leader ahead of his time….”
            .
            Wow, I new there must be a reason I liked you all along without knowing why. It is not because we agree on anything because we don’t. But, this poetic statement, what can I say….
            I know I am not helping you here, but sir you speak the truth.
            .
            I will be brief and tell you 3 warning forecasts, Haile Selassie, made to his people and the world. He made these prophesies 60, 70 and 90 years ago.
            .
            A))))) Today it is us (Ethiopia) being invaded, tomorrow it will be you…))))
            .
            It was during the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. The tomorrow he was talking about was World War II. The place was the League of Nations, prior to the United Nations.
            .
            B)))) The enemies of Ethiopia want to change the Red Sea into an Arab lake.))))
            .
            Arab military assets are in Somaliland, Assab to Alexandria.
            .
            I am sorry to bring this up. He also said this in so many words.
            .
            C)))) President I.A was not a good man with good intentions.)))))
            .
            Truth be told again, you and me may not agree on this and other things, but I have come to appreciate Meles too. He came at the right time to navigate through the storm of existential threat Ethiopia faced and ushered it to here and now.
            Good day brother blink.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear Kim
            This is may be my last comment about the man . Before the oil prices got down , i used to work for a very big oil company in gulf Mexico and one day I met one of my own people, he is old man at his 60-70 enjoying his coffee and when I step in to the coffee shop, he immediately called me and asked if I am Habesha and I replied, sir I am not Habesha but I heard it somewhere . He continue to say, aren’t you from Ethiopia and I said to him , no I don’t know about Ethiopia and I never heard of it , because I was just angry at him asking me and again give me answer I don’t like. Anyway I told him that I am Eritrean by birth and my heart and mind sleep thinking about Eritrea, he was shocked really. After few minutes, we sit together and he started to tell me all the past stories about Eritreans from Asmara down to all over . I told him if I could possibly get the chance to pay him back , I would have killed him (while smiling)and he got shocked again then we debated about comandis and different kind of things around that topic . He said my grad grand fathers were hunged and hunted like dear . Still the man thinks hailessilassie was mislead by people who were good at Tigrinya and Amharic.

            Again the same story when I moved to Europe, I happened to be the only black hair in one big event of the company I am working with at that moment one influential person again asked me if I am from Ethiopia or Colombia, at that moment I can’t say what I felt but I told the man and his wife that , I am Eritrean with American pass and he laughed while his wife said sorry about the Ethiopian thing . We chat for about 30 minutes and all was about hailessilassie and Eritreans. He told me what ever the out come of the current Ethiopian problem, his government and in general the western government will always do their best to help Ethiopia because of the foundations hailessilassie set long time ago plus they think Ethnic fighting in Ethiopia can put Europe at crossroads to horrible scenario ( right wing opposition to migrants and also the consequences of leaving Ethiopia to deal alone is not right) .

            That’s the list I can tell apart from Hailessie speeches to the west . He does have many good points for Ethiopia.I can say many but that will be a disrespectful thing do it here.

          • Desbele

            Selam Amde,
            Once Badme is resolved we have Kassala & Djibouti to deal with.
            Besides, DIA has said that it is Langley waging a proxy war against his fiefdom. Sawa will continue to nth round untill we kneel down America and its stooges!
            Indeed, the most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amde

            “It would not be in the interest of whoever is in Addis to piss off Tigrayans by handing over Badme. Why would Addis give a post-Weyane Weyane reason to start talking to Isayyas/(a belligerent Eritrea)?”

            1. – No matter what policy the new powerful in Addis decide to pursue, the Tigreans and the Amaras(significant in number) – in some shape or form WILL to talk to Asmara. Why? As the saying goes: “It is the economy stupid”.

            2. – The lives of Tigreans and Amaras is not going to change for the better with the status quo in place. Wollo, Tigray, Gojam, Gonder are not going to stay competitive and prosper if Addis policymakers choose only Mombasa, Mogadishu, Barbara, Port-Sudan and Djibouti as their ports. And when the Northern economy is not doing well, the Northern people of Ethiopia will demand SOME change.

            3. – Under this new prime minister, there won’t be any significant policy change in Addis (regarding Eritrea). Because power is still dominated by the Woyanes. The “change” we are witnessing today is “lipstick on a pig” so to speak.

            4. – And that begs the question: then, how do we know when the Woyanes loose power. Well when they start losing power, there will definitely be a serious split (most likely bloody) starting from the Woyanes inner circle – between the ones cutting deals with the new powerful in Shoa and the hardlines in Tigray. And that would be the “canary in a coalmine” that would indicate the ending of the Woyane era.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amde

            Selm Semere,

            I agree – there will be talks.

            But to assume Ethiopia’s needs will be so severe they will come crawling to Issayas is a bit naive. The situation is not ideal but sustainable.

            Nothing will happen for the next 2 years at least.

            Eritreans that are happy with Isayyas can rejoice.

            Eritreans that hate Isayyas will have to stop assuming the Badme situation will get resolved any time soon.

            Amde

          • iSem

            Hi Amde:
            Semere’s poitns are assumptions. It is the economy stupid said fighter Semere T, but he is ignoring the irrationall actions of men. If the Eri and Ethi idiots used that axiom the 1998 war would not been ignited
            They will talk to Asmara said went onto say, ignoring that Asmara does not wield that power, he ignores the new Sudan alliance, he also ignores the possibility that the new PM may pull the Molla card with the Oromos in Asmara. IA has no power to wield, he is impotent, the military is demoralized and will not die for IA
            IA supporters may rejoice but the no peace no war situation is temporary and its damages Eri but it damages PFDJ longevity as well.
            The IA haters do not necessarily assume the Badme resolution means the end of IA, this IA haters thinks it resolution will mean nothing. Badme has been in the same situation since 1981.
            Despite the corruption, despite the opposition, Woyane is in better shape than PFDJ, There is vibrant dissents like G, Asrat and others and the Siye etc who are telling a different narrative to Tigray ppl and Woyane is in the cusp of transformation and there some chances for the better. PFDJ has killed its Siyes and Asrat;s the country is run by the Al Capone and no one knows what goes on and one day we will wake up and find out that it has unraveled and that is what Semere ignores. The vulnerability of Woyane is not necessarily bad for tTgray and the pseudo PFDJ strengtj is not good for Eri, this contradiction is what Semere does not get

          • Amde

            Hi iSem,

            “It is the economy stupid said [the] fighter”

            You can definitely coin a phrase – kudos.

            I don’t disagree with you.

            “The vulnerability of Woyane is not necessarily bad for Tgray”. I would even go so far as to say it is good for Tigray. Every region needs a robust competition. If some reports are to be believed, the selection of Dr. Abiy was met with a lot of enthusiasm among Tigrayans in Tigray proper who are sick and tired of TPLF control of life. We will see how far that goes, but waiting in the wings are the Arena group who built their street cred on their tough-on-Eritrea position.

            The “corruption” translates into a Tigrinya speaking economic elite centered in Addis. My guess is many of them would much prefer to recede into the background keeping their money and outside of overt politics, and probably just maintaining second homes and occasional visits to Tigray. So basically, a retrenchment of the old Shewan economic clout.

            In aggregate, it becomes less likely to get a “deal” that maxmizes northern Ethiopia benefits exclusive of the center. And things are not so desperate in northern Ethiopia that they will upend an emerging political order in the south on the slim chance of getting a preferential economic deal from Isayyas or PFDJ.

            So in essence, while economic integration of the north with Eritrea is the obvious and ideal direction, there is no reason it will happen at a pace or form dictated in Asmara.

            I get that old fighters like Semere are emotionally vested. I just don’t understand the youth and post-ghedli generation.

            Amde

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም – ሞኹሲ

            ሰመረ፡
            ወለድና ክምስሉ ከለዉ ‘ታይ ይብሉ ‘መስለካ፡ “እንዳ ሃብታም ዘሎ ድኻስ መጋረጃ ሓጥያት” ይብሉ። ትርጉም ‘ዛ ምስላ ትጠፍኣካ ዝብል ግምት የብለይን፡፡ ግን ንዓይ ባህ መታን ክብለንን፡ ነቶም ትርጉማ ዘይፈልጥዎ መታን ክሕግዝን፡ ትርጉማ ክነግረካ።

            ኣብ እንዳሃብታም ግዙእ ኮይኑ ዝነብር ድኻ – እቲ፡ ንዘይጠቕማ ገንዘብ ክረክብ ኢሉ፡ ነብሱ የሕሲሩ፡ ከም ባርያ ለይትን መዓልትን ብዘይ ቀይዲ-ሰዓታት ዝሰርሖ ከይኣክሎ፡ መታን ጎይትኡ ክሕጎሰሉ፡ ሓደ ጥሙይ ድኻ ቆልዓ ‘ማርያም ትሃብኩም’ ኢሉ እንተለሚኑ፡ እቲ ሃብታም ኣፉ ከይከፈተ ‘ይርዳእካ’ ኢሉ ነቲ ድኻ ቆልዓ ገኒሑ ይሰጎ። ማለት፡ ስራሕ ሃብታም ብዘይ ናይ ሰዓት-ገደብ ምስራሕ ከይኣኽሎ፡ ናይ ሃብታም ሓጥያት ‘ውን ይስከም።

            The point: I don’t have any problem if you don’t support the PFDJ regime. I don’t have any problem if you fight the PFDJ regime with every fiber of your being. But, but, but….. just to show your support to the dying Woyanes – to say:

            A. – “Semere Tesfai ignores the new Sudan Ethiopia alliance”

            B. – “Semere Tesfai ignores the possibility that the new PM may pull the Molla card with the Oromos in Asmara”

            C. – ” Isaias Afewerki has no power to wield, he is impotent, the Eritrean military is demoralized, and the Eritrean Army will not die for Isaias Afewerki”

            D. – “Isaias Afewerki supporters may rejoice but the no peace no war situation is temporary and yes its damages Eritrea but it damages PFDJ longevity as well.”

            E. “The Isaias Afewerki haters do not necessarily assume the Badme resolution means the end of Isaias Afewerki, this Iaias haters think Badme resolution will mean nothing. Badme has been in the same situation since 1981.”

            F. – “Despite the corruption, despite the opposition, despite the impending doom of Woyane, the Tigray people are in better shape than PFDJ and Eritreans.”

            G. – “There is vibrant dissents like G, Asrat and Siye who are telling a different narrative to Tigray people and Woyane is in the cusp of transformation and there some chances for the better.”

            H. – “Eritrea is run by the Al Capone and no one knows what goes on and one day we will wake up and find out that it has unraveled and that is what Semere ignores.

            I. – “The vulnerability of Woyane is not necessarily bad for Tigray and the pseudo PFDJ strategyj is not good for Eritrea. This contradiction is what Semere does not get”

            ሕጅስ፡ ‘ታይ የእተወካ ‘ዝ ኹሉ?

            Do you think the Woyanes need your expertise to make their case? Do you think the Woyanes need your defense? Don’t they have the Hayats, the Abis, the Amdes, the Kadis, the Paulos……….. lined-up to defend them? So capable and so arrogant in their minds – at times – not just they insult to PFDJits, but also they insult and trash our identity, our revolution (Ghedli), our heroes and heroines, even our being.

            And here you are saying things thast the majority of Ethiopians wouldn’t say – just መታን ሓጥያቶም ክትሓልፈሎም። What a shame!!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Nitricc

            Hey Semere-T; did you say “ሕጅስ፡ ‘ታይ የእተወካ ‘ዝ ኹሉ?” As sharp as you are you failed to know who is Semere is? dedebit is always dedebit even if tried to sound Eritrean. I am hearing saying thank you; I say Shigir-yeley. As semere would say.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Nitricc

            You know Nitriccay: I don’t have any problem if any Eritrean hates the PFDJ regime – including Semere Andom. I don’t have any problem if any Eritrean opposes the PFDJ regime.

            ሰመረ ዓንዶም ዳኣ ከይሰምዓና ‘ምበር፡ ኣነውን ንገዛእ-ርእሰይ ተቓዋማይ እየ 🙂

            But you know, there is a difference between standing against the PFDJ regime, and standing against Eritreans and Eritrean territorial integrity. There is a difference between hating the PFDJ regime and hating Eritrea and Eritreans. But Semere Andom Don’t know that.

            Look: The Woyanes are not the enemies of the PFDJ regime, they are the enemies of Eritrea and Eritreans………….. Let me explain:

            – We all Eritreans celebrate New-Years day in big and small towns and cities all over the world dancing and waving our flags for all to see – EXCEPT IN WOYANE’S ETHIOPIA

            – We all Eritreans celebrate March 8 allover the globe to remember, honor, respect and recognize past accomplishments of Eritrean women, and to renew our commitment to DO EVEN BETTER in gender equality in the life of Eritrean women – all dancing, singing, and waving our flags – EXCEPT IN WOYANE’S ETHIOPIA

            – We all Eritreans, in every town and village of this planet, celebrate our independence day on May 24 of each calendar year – all dancing, singing, and waving our flags with pride – EXCEPT IN WOYANE’S ETHIOPIA

            – We all Eritreans, on the darkness of 20th of June of every calendar year, wherever we are, we gather together for a candlelight vigil, to remember, to honor, and to respect our fallen heroes and heroines – EXCEPT IN WOYANE’S ETHIOPIA.

            – We all Eritreans, in every village, in every town and in every city of this planet, celebrate September 1st of each calendar year, to remember the start of our armed struggle and to honor our hero Hamid Idris Awate the first leader of our Armed Struggle – EXCEPT IN WOYANE’S ETHIOPIA.

            Now tell me: Are the Woyanes enemies of the PFDJ regime or the enemies of the Eritrean people?

            I don’t know about Semere Andom, but you and I know the answer.

            Good to talking to you Nitriccay.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere,

            መቸም ከይደቀስካ ከለኻ ረኺበካ ክኸውን ተስፋ ይገብር: :

            You know, I don’t dislike you because you have some class and
            ክብረትካ ሓሊኻ ትኸይድ ስለዝኾንካ. I truly respect that.

            You jotted down very powerful statements and I must say, Awate editors including Awatistas are cringing not only the statements are laced with naked generalizations but betray the very facts on the ground.

            The Weyanes are receiving thousands of Eritreans including women and children every year and they provide them with basic necessities. They also give out scholarships to the bright ones. If that is not a gesture of kindness, I honestly don’t know what is.

            ለባማት ኣቦታትና ፈሪሃ እግዚኣቢሄር ስለዝነበሮም ነቲ ጽቡቕ ዝገበረልካ ወይግበረሉ ወይንገረሉ ይብሉ::

          • blink

            Dear Paulos
            Doesn’t facts concern you at all ? Why is that you just don’t care about facts ? What pushes you to make mountains of false points .
            Weyane offers nothing, not a single dime . All Eritreans in the camp are being helped by UNHCR and their relatives abroad. No Ethiopian money is spent to help the refugees.
            One person is given 15kg grains and some expired oil from UNHCR and the largest part is being eaten by weyane officials . All these oil and grains are always expired one and plus hundreds of thousands are even not in Ethiopia but still weyane get millions of dollars by their name. No work permit , no free movement is allowed in Ethiopia while in Sudan they are free to work every where .

            I thought you have been to the camps but here you are blackmailing the poor people. What kind of skin do you have ? Seriously don’t you even think someone can know the truth about the camp ? Why are you making outlandish comments all over the place ?

            Are all the quotes finished? Why just don’t grace us with your googling about what great people said hundreds of years.

          • Beyan

            Selam blink,

            Anta blink, how about pausing a little from making outlandish remarks about individuals and an entire population. Isn’t that an outlandish generalization you just now making. I understand some anger have a shelf-life longer than others. When I attempted to hint what the new PM may bring by extending an olive branch to Ethiopian expats to come back home and along the way many established Eritreans would probably take the offer and settle in a country where its heritage is close to their own, you went on invoking “the color of the eye” and the uprooting of Eritreans that ensued during 1998-200 unfortunate war. By the way, as we speak, Eritreans are quietly finding refuge in Ethiopia by choosing to retire there. One good example is Amanuel Sahle who spends half of the year in Ethiopia, Tigray in particular, and half of it in Europe. And I know of few more who are doing similar to that.

            So, Eritreans like Dr. Debas of University of San Francisco who left his $350,000.00 annual salary job from the medical school to help his people in Eritrea, but the menace at home couldn’t conceive that Eritreans would be willing to sacrifice the material wealth in order to help their people. The man at the helm does not understand what it means to be paid for one’s honest earned workday. I doubt he has had any job that pays his salary. He lived by handout when he was in ghedli. He is now living off of the country’s coffers all along taking the country to the brink of extinction. Another example will suffice: Kasahun Checole of Red Sea did similar to what Dr. Debas did. Went to Eritrea got a publishing house going. He began to train younger generation on the ins-and-outs of publishing industry, guess what the menace at home did. In short it was a case of ዉጹልና ኸይብላስ ምድሪ ቤት ይኹስትራ እዩ ነይሩ እቲ ኩነታት ንብለካ::

            It is that unique Eritrean & Ethiopian trait that you seem to be willing to ignore. I don’t know, you may be privy to some knowledge that I am not. I don’t know Dr. Paulos personally. Unless someone wishes to volunteer their personal info as I readily tend to do, I never cross that line to ask. I care about the ideas they espouse, the knowledge they are willing to share. I am grateful for that. I only know him through his exquisitely curios mind, who can whip up ideas that leave his readers in awe. Instead of appreciating that quality, you jump on to belittle it. What gives blink? ዓገብ፥ ኣይፋልካን: ስሕብ ዳኣ’ብላ ከይመለሸ ኸሎ

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            As I told you many times sir , I have a great respect for you and the eye color thing is a historical fact that no one with a tiny Eritrean blood can dismiss. Just a little thing that I from my families passed history , In 1971 my uncle moved to Ethiopia and he had a successful life with 8 children and money to splash ever since he set his foot in Ethiopia . In 1975 ,3 of his children joined to ELF in which they never come back and not even where they got they last breath .My uncle come back to Eritrea in 1992 , he was so ready to give his best and what he can to his people, guess what in 1995 he got the hard truth about Issaias and he returned back to Ethiopia and died in 2001 . In Ethiopia My uncle got so successful that some of our relatives owe their life to him , because he did his family duty when they were shipped to Ethiopian prison and he loved Ethiopia and Ethiopian people even though the last eye color broke his heart. You see Beyan, I am not here to please any one and not to belittle any one either . You see , I have the ultimate respect for Ms,Ismail , Amanuel.H ,SG , Semere Tesfai, Saay and many others that I couldn’t name now but when I feel these people are pushing something I don’t agree or need something informative from them , I have never ever accused them of making up because they never did. Don’t you see I pock SG because I think the man will not speak if we did not push him for more.May be my style is different but I want you to know that I respect and do really wish good to people I think they deserve any Eritreans respect.

            I know Amanuel shale and I don’t care what he thinks about Ethiopia , that has to be seen independently . We used to have Eritreans who got rich by speaking for Ethiopia while our fathers were running for their life , don’t you heard our grand fathers were get help by going inside churches to be save ? I know you know more than that and I will always learn from you and many others.

            Now what is outlandish statement I made about your so called Dr. Who is bragging about Ethiopian help to Eritreans in the camp ? I know about the camp I have been there just before 3 years, I saw by my own eyes , I talked to people who have been there for 7 – 8 years and their experience do value more than your Dr , I mean from my perspective , there is zero dime that weyane gave to Eritreans except their international obligations connected to millions of dollars. Don’t try to use your knife on me because I don’t have any hidden meat , I am as what you can see .

          • Paulos

            Selam Blink,

            ምናልባት ሓሳረመከራና ምውዴእ ኣብዩ ዘሎ ትዕቢትና ኣብ ሰማይ ስለዝበጽሐ ክኸውን ይኽእል እግዚኣቢሄር ናይቶም ውሑዳት ቅኑዓት ልቢ ርእዩ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ይኣኽለካ ይበሎ!

          • Sarah Ogbay

            ጳውሎስ ሓወይ አሜን አሜን። ትብዓት፣ ጥበብን ልቦናን ከአ ይሃበና ምእንቲ ክንዕወት!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            Allow me to say this at the eve of Easter celebration. For me God is a free licence that doesn’t need certification though humans tend to list requirements that even contradict his said messages. Everyone can use him to justify his dids and thoughts. Therefore, we also can speculate that he is punishing the very many righteous because of few gullibles here and there.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I knew you were going to say something rather interesting to that effect.

            Certainly, there is a sense of validity to the more often invoked notion that, humanity resorts to inventing God in a bid to find a way out of the what Sartre calls “Existential Angst.”

            Odd as it may sound, the paragon of atheism, Voltair once famously said, “If God didn’t exist, it would have been imperative to invent Him.” Voltair recognized the imperatives of God in human history.

            Humanists tell us that, one doesn’t need God to live a moral life but humanity relying on reason alone can not find an answer to his ultimate quest—if what we call life is a zero sum game or if it has a meaning at all. And more pressing question is, where did we come from and where do we go from here?

            Certainly, those are teleological questions where they have been exhausted left and right ad infinitum. As it happened, the funeral service of Stephen Hawking is being held today and his famous book, “The Brief History Of Time” starts with an anecdotal story about a debate St. Augustine had with an atheist. The atheist asks St. Augustine when he said, “What was God doing before He created the Universe?” And St. Augustine said, “God was preparing hell for those who ask those kind of questions.” Point being, one can not convince the other for the idea of God is beyond human faculty and God can only be conceptualized through faith.

            Scientists have been obsessing with the notion otherwise known as “The Theory of Everything” for the last eighty years or so and every attempt have been to a naught where Gravity refuses to reconcile with the other three forces of nature.

            In the early 80s however, something of a powerful and profound theory emerged that could potentially reconcile General Theory of Relativity [Gravity as a smooth fabric of space time continuum] with the quantum world. The theory is dubbed “String Theory.” In a sense, the theory postulates that, at the fundamental level, nature is manifested as vibration of string like phenomena where the vibration could be extended into and upto eleven dimensions including the space time dimension. The theory has been proven to be resonable through mathematical formulations but it can not be reproduced experimentally simply because we live in a three dimensional reality much less in eleven dimensions. If the existence of the hidden dimension is proven to be mathematically a matter of fact, those who make a living with in the realm of empiricism are too proud to attribute it to the dimension and notion of God.

            I am sure you are familiar with the “Anthropic Principle” where the universe needs a conscious being for it to exist. Say, the laptop computer infront of you doesn’t exist unless you a conscious being recognizes its existence. The universe needed an eternal being as in God for the universe to exist.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            That is the pleasure of debating with you. You take the debate into an informative avenue with your ‘picturesque’ illusurations. Just for pecision purposes, I was just going against his utilization. Otherwise I agree 100% and I can expand Voltaire saying ‘if god was not invented atheist wouldn’t exist in the form we are’, always going after him. BTW how many additional compound eyes do you have to read all these? 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            Didn’t know that about Voltair. Thanks. Wish I was like the Bee. That’s funny though.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            For clarity pupose, it is me trying to expand. Voltaire didn’t say that, to my knowledge. He wrote so much that, one cannot be sure of what he said and didn’t say, by the way.

          • Beyan

            Greetings Gentlemen,

            What a treat this is. Haile S. tweaking the one of the fines brains this forum has to offer. Nudging him a little, just the right amount of it so we can get what we just got. Of course, we all have our preoccupations at certain periods of time. The last few days, thoughts of religion has been preoccupying us all for obvious reasons.

            Be that as it may, I think it is worth sharing this article I found by googling, which speaks to notions of violence in the name of God that Psychology Today did an article on. Thank goodness it is weekend, where we can share tid bits of what we think is useful information. I just opened a link that was shared about Salman Rushdie’s speech he gave, barely read the first paragraph when I wanted to read the exchanges you two were having first. I am saving Rushdie’s piece for later in the day when the mood calls for it. But here is the piece for all interested parties to read when the mood calls for it:

            https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/am-i-right/201512/violence-in-the-name-god

            Many thanks, gentlemen, you really made my day.

            Hawkum,
            Beyan

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Beyan,

            Many thanks for those kind words. It certainly is in all of us as we try to encourage and inspire the younger generation to be not only curious but to remain informed where knowledge is the very foundation they are expected to build a nation on. And many thanks for the link.

          • Haile S.

            Hey Beyan,
            Thank you for the generous compliment. Awate is full of fines brains like you. The ideas that you develop in this land is far more deep and usefull than my poking of from time to time. Thank you for the great article. You really made my day!

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            You have not realized that the true measure of an Eritrean, once outside of the country, is his/her “colorful” participation in the holiday de jure “with patriotic” zeal. The country of refuge may allow you to live there, give you a square meter to sleep on, allow UNHCR to feed you, may let you destroy the environment by burning whatever trees are left for fire wood and don’t even imagine the burden of the waste generated by so many refugees. But does it allow you to colorfully celebrate the Eritrean government sanctioned holidays by waving the flag of an enemy country? If not, then it is an enemy of the people it is housing.

          • Selam Semere Tesfai,

            Does it means that you will never be satisfied unless you get tplf/woyane’s head on a platter. Look what tplf has done for eritrea even at the danger of alienating itself from the rest of ethiopians, and it is paying the price for it to day: fighting on eplf side against elf, standing for eritrean independence, landlocking ethiopia against her interest, supporting pfdj during its yemen adventure, the 1991-1998 crime of letting pfdj plunder ethiopia, today as Paulos said, hosting eritrean refugees and giving them the chance for further education, thus helping eritreans to be able to build their country post-pfdj, etc.

            The 1998-2000 was force upon them by the eritrean regime, and if they could, they would have left badme in the hands of the dia, if they were not afraid of the mass revolt they would have faced from the people of tigray in particular and the people of ethiopia in general.

            What else should they have done to become palatable to you? What was the contract tplf/woyane defaulted on, that only its disappearance from the face of the world would satisfy you? It is really a difficult life for tplf/woyane of today. Ethiopians say that they stand for eritrean interest, and eritreans say they are the worst enemies of eritrea. What a blunder. If they had cleared their position right from the beginning, and they were not double-hearted, they would not have been in such a complicated situation.

          • iSem

            Dear tegadali Semere Tesfai
            ወለድና ክምስል ከለዊ ድማ ከሚዚ ይብሉ ነበሩ፡ ነዚ ክትግዕታስ ክንድዚ ትርህጻ
            They utter these words when they see a lot of energy expended to produced a shoddy job. And when I saw all my comment point by point, I salivated, expecting you will rebut them point by point,but you merely repeated them. Now can you dispute their veracity. It is not about supporting Woyane, they do not need any support, but in case they need it, they will get it from PFDJ, I am sure of it.
            Since you took the pain to list them point by point can you dispute them, eg do you agree that the opposing ideas, the fact that Asrat wrote a book, that Siye wrote a book, they he was released from prison and many new blood in Woyane is good for their people.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amde

            “To assume Ethiopia’s needs will be so severe they will come crawling to Issayas is a bit naive.”

            I’m sorry if that is the impression I gave you. But that is not what I said. If you care to know why I think Ethiopia will leave Badme, please allow me to explain why:

            1. – National Security:

            If Ethiopia refuses to leave sovereign Eritrean territories just because it can (to humiliate Eritrea), Eritrea will align itself with countries and people that are hostile to Ethiopia – to fight back. And having hostile Eritrea as a neighbor is not in the best interest of Ethiopia and Ethiopians.

            2. – Economic Interest:

            I believe Eritrea doesn’t need to trade with Ethiopia to have a robust economy. In fact for every penny we Eritreans make trading with Ethiopia, we can make a dollar trading with our Northern neighbors. If the argument is Eritreans are after ጤፋችን፡ ቡናችን፡ ቆዳችን …. keep stuff! We can do without it!

            3. – You can disagree with me but………. rightly or wrongly, I believe Northern Ethiopians NEED access to our ports in order to change their lives for the better. And they’re not going to have access to our ports while pointing their gun to our heads and occupying our sovereign territories.

            4. – I know your great leader (PMMZ) and his diehard supporters would disagree, but it is basic economics – being a landlocked country and trying to compete in this competitive world economy is like running a marathon with both (your) hands tied behind your back. Yes trying to stay competitive while paying port fees, cargo handling fees, storage fees, transit charges, transportation costs, currency exchange……. just to name a few.

            I feel privileged and proud to be Eritrean

            Semere Tesfai

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Semere T,

            Does this mean Eritrea is offering ports, cargo handling, storage, transit, transportation, currency exchange……. just to name a few, for free?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Fanti Ghana

            I don’t know and I don’t pretend to know. I’ll leave that to the experts. But I know Ethiopia is paying $750 + million per year. I don’t believe Eritrea was charging Ethiopia close to that amount in 1991-1998.

            But my personal opinion, it is possible all to be FREE – but Ethiopia has “to show its cards” to match the offer.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amde

            Selam Semere,

            Are you making deals?

            Does his excellency know?

            🙂

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; Much more to you mentioned and what Semere is saying. Currently the port of De-Jubauti is full to its capacity due Ethiopia unable to pick the containers on time, giving the unrest situation in Ethiopia and Ethiopia is paying the late fee by the day. This has contributed to increase in commodity prices in Ethiopia. Simply the cost has been passed to Ethiopian consumers.If Ethiopia to use the ports of Eritrea, Tigray will benefit the most by using Massawa port and the rest of Ethiopia can use port of Assab. this mean a win win situation. My greatest concern is what Semere alluded to. the more Eritrea is pushed and cornered by Ethiopia, the more Eritrea to fall under the UAE and the Siudies. I am very uncomfortable with what is going on in that region. I think Ethiopia should work and soften its position before it is too late. I really believe Eritrea can go all in with UAE and the Soudies to the point of no return. I know the no war no peace was designed to destroy Eritrea but what is destroyed is the people of Tigray and the rest of Ethiopia. Follow and to the letters of the ruling and get it done.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            Oh Boy. I didn’t know you are such a seasoned politician. I see you are working it. I am impressed. Your logic and reasoning almost looks like Hayat’s.
            .
            Do you know Fanti is a certified top of the line Woyane.
            When did all this change take place in you? The day before yesterday, with nomination of Dr. Abiy Ahmed.
            I am impressed with the Dr. If he can change people like Nitricc before he become PM, I am hopeful he will change the attitude of Hayat and co. in the first 100 days of his administration.
            .
            Nitricc, my favorite was the playing of the Arab card. Are you sure you are not Ethiopian?
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Tesfai,
            .
            A very condensed response.
            .
            1) national security…………….blackmail ATTEMPT.
            .
            2) …economic interest………..naïve.
            .
            3) …northern Ethiopia…………deceit ATTEMPT.
            .
            4) ..your great leader PMMZ…. the economic Zeraf.. Zeraf won’t do.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Kim Hanna

            Assab is occupied/rented. See you in fifty years!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            Now the discussion has come more or less to saying, please use our ports, a subject that is not raised by ethiopia, who is already looking for extra alternative paths through the port of barbara and others, dumping assab since 1998 and still going on into the future. Somaliland has a big interest to see ethiopian import/export passing through the port of berbera that will boost its legitimacy. Trade with sudan, kenya, and even somalia and south sudan with the help of the future road and railway interconnections will be the regional economic future of ethiopia.

            Tigray is being connected to djibouti by railway and she can have a corridor westwords to port sudan. The lease of assab to to uae is not permanent and it is until the end of the yemeni war, and it has no use to them after that, unless ethiopia uses it, which she is not going to.

            The unstable dictator will be forced to choose between uae and ksa at one point, in which case he will be isolated by one of the two, and the result will be one failure coming after the other.

            The saudi crown prince is already in love with the jewish state, visiting far-right jewish organisations in the usa, dumping poor old Palestine, and he may even recognize soon the state of israel with its capital, the city of jerusalem.

            The kingdom of SA and the UAE are sitting in the lap of the usa and israel, and they want to remain under the protection of their military umbrella as long as iran is around. The next scenario of an unstable situation and warlike scenario and even right out war will move to the gulf area between the ksa + uae and iran, and the role played by eritrea will be minimal, This means that the red sea as an arab lake will not be an arab agenda anymore. Where would this leave countries like eritrea that are flirting with arab nations?

            Eritrea is already aligned with the enemies of ethiopia over the last half century, what is left to align with? Let us not talk about the italians, because it will take us a century back. All in all ethiopia came out of the situation stronger, and now with the peaceful transfer of power, the future is even brighter.

            The geopolitical interests of the arab/muslim nations of the region that forced us to enter into the labyrinth of a half century of drama, from which we will not get out of it so easily, is still fanned by pfdj supporters as their ace card to blackmail ethiopia. It is not going to do the job. In general terms, Ethiopia needs eritrea much less than the other way round.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I agree on all points. Assab will be a military outpost one way or another. It will not have the position it had once for Ethiopia because of its proximity to Djibouti. The infrastructure to Djibouti cannot be replicated to Assab, it doesn’t make any sense.
            .
            Massawa might have a theoretical possibility after few generation have passed on. Semere T’s. post have that grain of blackmail and threat of the past that is no longer effective, times have changed he hasn’t.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Patriot

            Selam Kim Hanna. Ethiopia (TPLF) has chosen NOT to use Assab for humanitarian cargo (though the offer has always been there from the Eritrean side) and, by refusing the EEBC decision, the TPLF has put a loose around the neck of Assab port re possible commercial cargo usage. Many (not all) Ethiopian profess the sibling love that they have for Eritreans, all at the same time, that they have remained silent while the TPLF has illegally occupied Badme and economically tried to strangle Eritrea. Whatever type of dictator Isaias may be, the TPLF also must share reposibility for the suffering and exodus of vulnerable Eritreans.

          • Safaee Michael Binieam

            This framing is distorted and unbalanced. Its a cold war scenerio both are engaged in,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Patriot,
            .
            I think you are projecting. TPLF or Ethiopia is not responsible for …’the suffering and exodus of vulnerable Eritreans’….PIA and co. are.
            .
            The decision not to use Assab port is supported by most Ethiopians including TPLF.
            I think you need to look at objectively what happened in recent past and what is happening now. How can Ethiopia do any business with Eritrea?
            It is like supplying ammunitions to someone who is shooting at you.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Patriot

            Selam Kim Hanna. The U.S., U.N., TPLF and the PFDJ must ALL share responsibility for the suffering and exodus of Eritreans. How can Ethiopia do business with Eritrea? Easy. Just withdraw Badme and be willing to pay for port services in hard currency and not Birr.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Horizon,

            It seems what you just said is the thinking shared by almost all Ethiopians, but i am observing some deviations…just the other day, i read an article in Tigray online where some one argued that Eritrea and its ports are crucial for development of Tigray (although his solution was not to make compromises, but to install puppet regime in Eritrea. sigh!).

            this is not to you specifically,

            **** would some one please tell Ethiopians that not all things that you don’t like is caused by arabs….it is false, lame and so tiring….****

            hm

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            It is said that for every war and revolution the economy is one of the important factors for their occurrence. Why should ethiopia use the ports freely while eritrea can rent it, and not only exist but also prosper, was among the things eritreans were saying. Nevertheless, they did not know that it was not guaranteed, and nobody seemed to think about Ethiopia’s reaction.

            In addition, some eritreans believed that industrialized eritrea, based on the few industries italians left behind, the vast untapped ethiopian market, the cheap raw materials coming from the backward ethiopia, and cheap labor from tigray, with all these available, eritrea could prosper and become singapore. This was not only a theory, but a belief, which many eritreans entertain even today.

            If eritreans believe that a future eritrean government that is ready to work with ethiopia is a puppet government, based on what some people may say on both sides of the aisle, and a win-win situation, which implies give and take, is not the basis of future relations, the present status quo will continue, until one of the two snaps. The eritrean regime has chosen confrontation and not cooperation, and we will see how far that will take it.

            Eritrean ports are useful to ethiopia only when and if a friendly government comes to asmara. Otherwise, why should ethiopia give her good money to save a dying unfriendly regime? Friendly government, as i said above, does not mean a puppet government.

            Uae has become more or less the problem child of the region by trying to be a regional economic and military power. I am afraid that it will crashland one day. It has gained full control of a sovereign property through bribes, and no wonder somalis are against it. Ethiopia’s share is only 19%, which does not make her a major participant, and by using the port, ethiopia will bring much needed income to the country.

            Finally, of course, all the problems ethiopia faces are not due to arabs, nevertheless, throughout history they did not show goodwill towards ethiopia either, and ethiopians are forced to be suspicious and defensive.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            Simply ur like a dog just like ur pic .i wonder why u choose the pic .
            Pls talk about ur opinion as individual not as the opinion of ethiopians so people know (already know) ur hate represent just u and people like u.

          • Selam Teodros Alem,
            This dog is more decent and more worthy than you. You live in a pigsty, and that is why everything you say stinks. You lie your identity, and what you say is simply a reflection of your low life and your immaturity. Adios again.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            1st . I never lied about anything at list in this forum.
            2nd. all i said was stop braking nonsense. 3rd, why u mad when i call u ur pic? If u do like it get rid of it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I was trying to guess the name of the dog. I finally settled on …Shiferaw Gobezun.
            .
            When people ask the name of the dog, without any hesitation you make the statement ..Shiferaw Gobezen..Horizon.
            .
            But then again some characters here might call the statement insensitive, hostile or even down right bigoted and start another line of conversation.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Horizon,

            My intention was not to give my opinion on Eritrea-Ethiopia-ports-sea-access. I was merely indicating that people in Ethiopia are starting to entertain different ideas than the mainstream one.

            (you would be surprised of my opinion if you ask)

            in the meanwhile i will make 2 points

            1) Ethiopia also chose confrontation and not cooperation (as i commented else where in the forum, the self-righteous of Ethiopia is truly amazing). yea, its strategy seems to be working for it, but clearly Ethiopia didn’t chose peace and cooperation re Eritrea.

            2) 19% is significant enough and more than that the symbolic nature of Ethiopia participation is truly a major enabler of the agreement, siding with arab country over somali-mogadishu and then pretending to side with somali-mogasishu….crocodile tears!. anyway, the constant whining by Ethiopians (including the elites and gov officials) about arabs and the hypocritical nature of it doesn’t look good on the country. i can give so many example why it is hypocritical but i am guessing you already know.

            hm

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam halfa me(n)gedi,
            .
            I wish I knew what you nick name stand for.
            Until Horizon, in a different time zone, gets back to you, I want to ask for your opinion about… ports and say something at the same time.
            .
            In regard to your #2 point of concerns or statement I have a different perspective. Just taking the factual aspect of it, I choose to look at it in a different wholesome way.
            It is prudent for Ethiopia to accept a 19% share just by promising to use the port in the future. That is the consideration that is critical for the project…no use no project.
            .
            Somalia whatever the future holds will inherit a revenue stream or river that they do not currently have. Today no one knows what the future holds. For all we know our big neighbors might have a new nation …Erimolia in mind. There are a lot of bridges to cross.
            .
            Just to answer the negative remarks directly, Ethiopia is not immune from using useful idiots when it comes to its national interest. So say everybody.
            Forgive me but I sense a ting of jealousy in your tone, am I wrong?
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Kim,

            I will work my way back from bottom,

            – I am not sure what i am jealous of….?
            – Remark regarding Ethiopians and arabs is not negative at all. it is reality, i am being very serious about it. In my experience you can’t have any discussion with most Ethiopians about Eritrea and the region without the arabs being accused of just about everything (just like many Eritreans blame the us, cia, woyane for everything)….you say topic can be used to push national interest, fair enough! but when too much, it becomes a mockery…so need to give it a rest!

            – I am actually very supportive of the Berbera agreement (i don’t like how Ethiopians complain about arabs while actively collaborating with them), including ethiopias participation for three reasons: (1) it is about time Somaliland is taken seriously, not necessary secession (this is not up to me to opine on), but they need to be taken seriously and this agreement is one way. (2) from eritreas perspective, putting aside pfdj regime, i think the more options Ethiopia has post access wise, the easier the discussion around port access through Eritrea becomes. Horizon has commented awhile ago that the Berbera agreement makes future cooperation between Eritrea and Ethiopia harder. I think it is quite the opposite actually. the more options there are, the less the stakes are and the less tense negotiations become. (3) the agreement is important step towards greater regional cooperation which i think is the only way the region comes out of chaos, poverty etc.

            – my opinion about ports and sea access. I think Ethiopia should have sea access. period. Along the Eri-Dji border, Eritrea should give up about 75km area and Dji about 25km. It wont be enough for all of Ethiopias needs, but it can depend on satellite ports across the region for the rest. In return, Ethiopia can give some of the sparsely populated arable land along tekeze/setit (may be even mereb) and some water usage privilege of tekeze/setit to Eritrea. we can even bring in Sudan to give some land or at least channel water sources to Eritrea since it receives a lot of water from ethiopia. Ethiopia can also give some arable land to Dji along with channeling fresh water sources (i think there is similar project already going on). there will be some losers and winners, and it can be done in phases to calm down some people’s uneasiness, but at the end, this is the only way forward. in addition, Eritrea and Dji could be given some serious $$$ to sweeten the deal and i am pretty sure many in the international community will be eager to sponsor such idea, they can’t wait to end refugee flow from the region.

            halafi mengedi = ‘just passing by’

            hm

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam halafi me(n)gedi,
            .
            ‘just passing by’ please stay.
            Your above post is one of those out side the box fresh thinking this forum needs.
            I am going to see how Horizon see it. I know there are Awatistas who would object on principle that access to the sea by Ethiopia is against the advantage or perceived advantage of Eritrea (perceived disadvantage to Ethiopia) and they will object to it no matter what.
            .
            Thanks for your response.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam halafi
            Opposing the poltical views of Egypt regarding nile or opposing some arab countries stand on eritrea issues(past) don’t make ethiopians r negative to the whole of arabs.
            Do u know Arabic used to be like a 2nd language in ethiopia(gonder time) until tewodros? There is a lot of historical letters exchanged between ethiopia and Syria and egypt , that will tell u a lot of understanding about the relationship between egypt and Syria and ethiopia.
            U can find the letters in deber libanos(shawa) and dersge mariam(gonder where tewodros crowned) monstrous.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Teodros,

            I feel like your comment actually supports my assertion that Ethiopians need to dial down the ‘arabs’ narrative.

            hm

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam halafi
            What i said is. It is poltics, nothing to do being negative to arabs.

          • Amde

            Selam halafi mengedi,

            Interesting post.

            There is one thing though:
            “- my opinion about ports and sea access. I think Ethiopia should have sea access. period. Along the Eri-Dji border, Eritrea should give up about 75km area and Dji about 25km. ”

            I agree with you conceptually. Practically speaking though, not all “land-by-sea” is appropriate. In other words, you need a harbor deep enough to make it a port that can handle ships supplying commercial volume. I imagine those are very few in number.

            So the candidates still remain Assab, Tadjourah, Djibouti, unless there are others I am not aware of.

            Otherwise it will be just a beach, possibly useful for diplomatic reasons but won’t have an economic impact.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            I think you have are remove anything that can sensationalize the agreement, that is why i didn’t specifically say assab. I agree with you that access to sea shouldn’t just be some ‘beach’ but the area i mentioned, i think is suitable to build harbor (it includes some islands to facilitate that) and with modern technology, i don’t think it would be a big problem. if assab, tadjourah etc are included in the agreement, it will have a lot of people riled up. So, we need to compromise and modern technology can enable that.

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam halafi mengedi

            Ok.. Interesting.

            So it would be a symbolic step. Northern Ethiopia will still need Massawa etc.. Increasing volumes mean Berbera and Tadjourah are still necessary to relieve pressure on Djibouti. So as a practical matter it won’t resolve port needs, but could be used as part of a basket of deals to move the region towards peace and integration.

            I like it. Maybe we can call it Abiy Island (haha).

            Amde,
            Why do you have a parenthesis around (n) in your name? You can’t make up your mind if you are passing through or stay to make a few deals 🙂

            A friend and I had a discussion once on the etymology of ngd, negade and menged. I guess one has to hit the road to trade.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            Earlier, I tried to provoke, halafi me(n)gedi, and he disarmed me with his even tempered unflustered personality.
            .
            I will go back to dealing with Nitriccs and hopes, you ask this Mengedegna to stay for a while.
            I will read the discussions.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Hi MrKim,

            He is cool as a cucumber for sure. Me likey.

            Endie? Minnew teregagu inji…

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            I think that it is not only about ports, but also it is about the defense of the western coastline of the red sea, ethiopians and eritreans should think about. I am not sure if it was H. Cohen who said that ethiopia is (should be) a stakeholder on the red sea, which means that eritrea alone is not in the position to defend the western red sea area in a crisis situation. If ethiopia has a direct access to the sea, it will make her a direct stakeholder, and she will have the obligation to defend the area.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            Yes there is talk starting about how Ethiopia should have a Red Sea strategy whether she is on it or not. And also its need to make it an issue of the Horn and also an Africa issue. At this rate, I won’t b surprised if Brazil and Malaysia start sending their Navies to the area. It’s almost like you can’t consider yourself a self-respecting power if you are not flying your flag.

            Also, conceptually, Ethiopia can still have a navy to protect the trade she relies on.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde,

            Exactly, it all emanates from believe that regional integration and interdependence is the only way to diffuse not only uber nationalism and patriotism but also ethnicsism and regionalism within each country in the region.

            But also, it won’t be symbolic only. it will give Ethiopia a significant outlet that it can rely on for all of its essential things that are important for its security and some more too. Dji will be the biggest loser, but it can take solace (in addition to the direct compensation) in that Ethiopia will still going to need supplement some of its needs thru Dji, and Dji is aiming to be international transit port anyway (and again can feel safe about competition from Ethiopia in that regards). Yea, north Ethiopia will need to some degree massawa and portsudan (the flat conduit between portsudan and northwest Ethiopia is a significant advantage), and again i don’t see it as dependence, but integration. Same goes for other part of Ethiopia and their nearest ports….

            I actually have the idea worked to some detail, and tested some aspect of it with eritreans and Ethiopians of different political inclination which made me realize there are quite a few details to be worked out, mainly has to do with mentality of the people more than anything….

            the () is because as i was opening my account, there was a huge debate on this forum about etymology of different Tigrigna words and i just didn’t know what is correct, megedi or mengedi. btw, i used to frequent (didn’t comment much) the forum and then got busy and lost my original login details so had to re-create another account, and since i am not sure how long i am going to be active, the name halfi me(n)gedi came to mind (ah also, i happen to be listening to a song called ‘ata half me(n)gedi terekbkaya meley selam beleley…..i think meley = Eritrea(?)).

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam halafi mengedi,

            Well rejoice. I will defend your right to be called halafi mengedi sans parenthesis. I was 80% serious on the etymology of ngd and menged. I think the Tigrinya saying is nged negaday, hres harestay, so there you go.

            But my preference is for you to stay, So if you do change your name, change it to something about staying and spreading roots here.

            What I found inspiring to be honest is your statement “I actually have the idea worked to some detail, and tested some aspect of it with Eritreans and Ethiopians of different political inclination” That is simply phenomenal and exemplary.

            So,,you said the biggest potential loser would be Djibouti, but don’t you think it will be Eritrea, who is being asked to give up land so that a competition to Assab can be built? (Personally I think there will be more than enough demand in future years but in the immediate that will be the question)

            And you also said ” in addition, Eritrea and Dji could be given some serious $$$ to sweeten the deal and i am pretty sure many in the international community will be eager to sponsor such idea, they can’t wait to end refugee flow from the region.” This one is actually interesting. Makes me think of your port proposal as a major plank of a plan for “Economic integration of the horn as a way to stop refugee outflows” Does such a plan exist in draft form?

            I am also curious how you rate the responses you have received from Ethiopians and Eritreans. My guess is Ethiopians are generally for the idea. The general trend of recent Ethiopian economic and foreign policy is towards regional economic integration anyway, so I suspect you will see less resistance among Ethiopians who matter.

            Great Easter offering sir.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            Ok, will change name….

            Well, there are a few angles to look at re perceived income loss to Eri from Ethi having its own port. (1) if one was thinking of making money out of making assab the main conduit for Ethio, i think that is stupid (i don’t think eritreans just want to be mooches), unsustainable for both countries and increases the likely of Eritrea actually losing assab for good….(I know some Eritrean would say we will fight bla bla, no don’t doubt we can, but you really don’t want to fight against desperate opponent (which Ethiopia will be with over 100m people)). Even renting assab for small fee or for free (as semere tesfai seems to indicate) is stupid (why free when you can gain significant money, land, fresh water and goodwill thru the land swab i am proposing) and it also increases the chances of Ethiopia attempting to take over assab over time (before 98 assab was practically an Ethiopian city and if there was no war, i think it would be Ethiopian city completely by now). But, please don’t look at my proposal merely as a ruse to avoid possibilities of Ethiopia taking over assab over time (**more on this below**), i am bringing these points to counter the point that Eritrea could be big loser in the proposal. One of the challenges i constantly encountered when discussing the proposal is that, if I describe the pros of the proposal to Eritrea, the Ethiopians become suspicious and vice-verse, hence the mentality and attitude challenge i keep on referring to.

            ***I said ‘merely’ above because in part the proposal could also be thought of as a strategy to peacefully mitigate any future conflict points between Eritrea and Ethiopia (because as i indicated above, it diminishes the tempt by desperate Ethiopia to seek sea access by force or other hostile means). and i think this is a win for both people. I AM KIND OF WORRIED NOW THAT many Ethiopians will see my proposal as ruse, but….this only highlights the complexity of the region and the need to entertain courageous ideas in the region.

            I can give more example as how eri wont be the big loser vis-à-vis assab, such as tourism from millions of middle class Ethiopians, etc etc, but lets not get ahead of our selves at this point….

            Some eritreans could see giving sea access to Ethiopia as compromising on principles of sovereignty. they have a point, but my answer to that is ‘harm reduction’ approach which was successful used to counter spread of hvi/aids using needle exchange programs for drug addicts. yea, it feels like compromising on principle for many people, but this principle could be so damaging, alternatives are necessary. Funnily, one eriterean was sold to the idea when i said, out of nothing, how about if some developed countries promise to build a couple of small scale nuclear reactor to generate may be like half of the electricity Eritrea needs to be a flourishing country….lols.

            From Ethiopians, one of guy i talked to still thinks there is a chance for some sort of union or confederation between Eritrea and Ethiopia (he is young, early 20s..). But for the most part, it a feeling of cautious excitement with a hint of may be possibly could get a better deal….IMO, that can be addressed by emphasizing by the greater regional integration and its benefits.

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            Thank you.

            I have a proposal for you and awate.com. I think your ideas need to be written as an article to precipitate debate and be given its own space for proper discussion and debate. It has the potential to be a seminal piece for peace to the coming generations.

            Frankly, I think most Ethiopians and Eritreans are in the “mooching from Assab” point of view, so paradoxically there is some kind of agreement there. Sometimes, I think our problems are that too many of us come from the cultural baggage of the farmer’s view of zero-sum-game. If somebody has more land, that must be because someone else has less. Whereas a trader and dealmaker sees opportunities everywhere. What you are proposing can and should open eyes and provide new perspectives.

            Quick reaction is: It can appear to be an exercise in “What can Eritrea gain by trading the not-Assab to Ethiopia?” OK by me, but,,,

            It really needs a piece of its own so it can be properly debated, rather than being chased around in discussion threads over unrelated topics. I hope the Awate team will oblige,

            Thank you sir
            Amde

          • saay7

            Hey Amde and HM:

            Did you notice that it’s Day -1 in the premiership of Abiy Ahmed and Ethiopian State TV (ENN) already had a program entitled “Red Sea” where it invited the usual suspects on the way forward (Ethiopia and the Sea)? Just search ትልቁ ፈተና “ቀይ ባህር” in YouTube and you will find it.

            Looks like the poor guy won’t even have a honeymoon or a pop quiz: everything is a decisive exam 🙂 Hey Amde, did you know that the Red Sea is not something we inherited from our ancestors but a trust given to us by our offsprings. You see, an inheritance you can sell but a trust you must care for. Lyrics and melody by Abiyr 🙂

            saay

            *

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            As a matter of fact I did see it. It promises to be a regular program too. Nice sharp logo too.

            The young host was so energetic, the table was so low, he couldn’t figure out what to do with his elbows.

            Something is afoot. But afoot could be timely too. What do you say?

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            the way forward was given to us by Abiy himself* and it goes something like this:

            ” the Red Sea is not something we inherited from our ancestors but a trust given to us by our offsprings. You see, an inheritance you can sell but a trust you must care for.” 🙂 As your Tigre cousins say, “ዋናለዎ እቲ ባሕሪ.” Its owners–fishermen and pastoralists who can’t even fish in their own waters now that IA has made it a militarized zone–have first to be empowered and heard in a democratic Eritrea. And you are hearing this from a guy who is for a unitary state. Anyway, I consider it progress that the program is called Qey Bahr and not Qey Bahrachn.

            saay

            * Some guy actually asked to be my friend on FB just to share this with me so I am passing it on:

            https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/22/borrow-earth/

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Wait a minute now..
            Are you quoting Abiy to make policy decision?
            He is not even PM!!

            To be fair though, we are talking about a post-PFDJ or at least a post-Isayyas. He is not immortal.

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Did you say nice sharp logo. Come on, man, it is the CNN logo, they just changed the C to E.

            (In Darth Vader voice): THIS IS CNN

            http://logok.org/cnn-logo/

            (In Abiye voice): THIS IS ENN

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENN_TV#/media/File:ENN_Television.jpg

            I think the word “up” before “yours” is silent. 🙂 🙂

            See the similarity? I think Samuel would call this being “influenced” 🙂

            Yeah, I know you and HM are talking about long, long-term but ENN (sharp new logo) is talking about immediate to-do-task for Abiye. you know, tough exam.

            And, HM, calling the private station public was purely accidental. ENN is owned by ENN.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            No I meant the logo for the show. It was Red and it was Sharp.

            Did you just put the ” Yours” tagline on the logo? I never noticed it.

            Interesting, there are still many that still think Dr. Abiy is a TPLF man, but I guess you are convinced he is indeed a change.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Saay,

            BTW, i have to say, i was kind of a little distracted by the presenter’s hand gesture. An Ethiopian friend keeps on telling me that Eritrean’s hand gesture is influenced by Italians, i wonder what influenced the ENN hand gesture. it is kinda unique.

            hm

          • saay7

            HN:

            Here’s something to consider: maybe the Italians copied their hand gestures from us. (Pause for dramatic effect.) There are areas in Eritrea that had almost no interaction with the Italians and still we are very expressive so maybe it is same with Ethiopia, no?

            And, since awate forum has a habit of taking one subject and ended somewhere else, let’s talk about “structuralism”, philosophy that structure is more important than form, and semiotics, the study of signs and symbols. There is a view that the self doesn’t shape the world; the world shapes the self. And every culture has its rituals, and TV culture has its rituals. And in TV news land, what they are doing is trying to tell you that they need your attention because what they are about to say is VERY IMPORTANT and DRAMATIC. Here are their bag of tricks:

            1. The intro music to show–and we can have CNN to curse for that–is always classical and ominous. What CNN started, everybody copies including ENN. Why oh why would an Ethiopian TV station copy Western music? Well, why is the anthem of the African Union sound like this?* Because anthems also have a ritual.
            2. A few years ago, ETV had the scroll…words floating at the bottom of the screen as if there is way too much going on in Eritrea. Why? Because it is a ritual.
            3. The well-dressed guy or lady sitting behind a desk. Why do they have to wear a suit or a dress? TV ritual.
            4. The body movement: it is to show action. This is straight from study of semiotics, of signifiers and signified. For example, TV stations changed their names from “Eyewitness News” to “Action News.”

            Anyway, I gotta go now; I will let Beyan and Paulos pick this up. And, oh, yes, this is what the anthem of the AFRICAN Union sounds like. Again this is about AFRICA.

            https://youtu.be/xHx8wUoRti4

            saay

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Saay,

            That anthem is very European…not a hill to die for me, but they could not find a mix of African music that can give goosebumps as anthems are supposed to do?
            Given your knowledge of structuralism, what message is IA trying to send with his posture during interviews with state media? any thoughts?
            hm

          • saay7

            Selam HM:

            I don’t think I am qualified to speak on structuralism and semiotics other than that of a catalyst who will try to get people to say, “hmmm, let me look into that.” Both (structuralism and semiotics) are in the business of defining reality. So when two Eritreans are discussing the same thing and arriving at vastly different conclusions, it all has to do with VALUES substituting for REALITY. In that regard, there was a remarkable exchange between two Semeres (iSem and Semere T) where, depending on whomever you support in that argument, you would say they are speaking truth.

            Do you remember what the answer Yemane Gebreab gave was when he was asked, “what are you going to do with the G-15” and he said, “we have a culture of dealing with these things”? Or when Isaias Afwerki was asked about journalist Dawit Isaac and he said, “we know what to do with people like him; he will never be released from prison”? Those are cases of structuralism: that event, on its own, has no meaning and it has to be seen within the prevailing ritual, culture and value system. And in the value system of EPLF/PFDJ, you defy, you disappear. You know that, you should have known that, so don’t pretend you didn’t know.

            That’s the structuralism side. On the semiotics side (the signifier and the signified), I also have some semi-developed theories:) Of late, all the interviews with Isaias Afwerki are done at night time. There is significant distance between Isaias and the interviewers (plural now; it is used to be one interviewer) and their body language tells you who is royalty and who is subject (I am all powerful.) The president always makes a point of telling them that their questions are not the right questions to ask and, in any event, the question you want to ask is coming up (I am all knowing.) In each interview, regardless of the topic, there are reality-defining words that have to be used: unipolar world, Ethiopia is a client state, there is a huge conspiracy against Eritrea, our accomplishments are modest but they willl be stupendous next year. (That’s why I have to be president for a very long time.) Reality is also defined by use of new words and new concepts: (it is not real and it doesn’t exist until I give it a name. )

            What is signified is entirely dependent on the signifier. I could type word-for-word something here that was broadcast and say “look what the opposition are saying about Tegadelti!” and some Awatistas would jump in and say, “you see! This is why the Eritrean people hate the opposition!” Then, I would tell them that it was actually said by Isaias Afwerki–that “the thieves in Eritrea are all Tegadelti who have a sense of entitlement”–and they would say, “he is such a truth-teller!”

            So, in reality, when we discuss here about “truth”, and “reality”, we are really discussing competing value systems. And those who genuinely get offended when they are told “you are a PFDJ” would not be offended if you tell them, “you agree with the PFDJ value system.”

            saay

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Saay,

            Very funny and witty as usual.

            On a serious note, i was hoping to bring it at some point, but the opinion of the locals is of indeed very important. I actually feel very bad to pontificate from distance about the fate of other people. It is just that i am in a hard reduction mode, the status quo is not doing them any good (we are all, in a way, making decision for those people thru tacit approval of the status quo or our inability to change it), may be we should consider alternatives (the diverse the options, the better). Part of the agreement should, of course, be fair compensation to the affected locals along giving them choice on how they would like to be repatriated.

            hm

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Saay,

            I thought ENN was a private tv station. Are you saying it is “private”?

            I did see the program, infact here is part of what i replied to Amde referring to that program.

            *******************
            I think everyone agree that tplf and Ethiopia managed the badme almost to perfection (helped by idiotic strategy by IA). Only thing is that one gets the best deal when in stronger position and at times things can change quickly and compromise one’s position. For example, Ethiopia was able weaken IA power almost to its demise and then suddenly the Yemen situation, not only gave IA a life line, but also relatively weakened Ethiopias position (I think it caught Ethiopia by surprise). Still, Ethiopia has the stronger position, and nothing that happens in Eritrea or Ethiopia can change that. Hard to predict, but external factors can. Actually, I saw a youtube vid by ENN (in a new show called ‘key bahr’). It seems the experts they interviewed agreed that the situation with Eritrea is bringing external threats to the region. Amazingly, all them agreed that ‘it is all eritrea’s fault’ (this level of self-righteousness amazes me. Even if you like the Ethiopian strategy, at least admit that it has some side effects and take some blame for that). So, the question to ponder is, what external situation would force Ethiopia to consider its current policy, one way or the other. How well would Ethiopia be able to predict and react if, indeed, external factors threaten to change the equation?
            ********************

            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            I just heard the debate on “ትልቁ ፈተና ቀይ ባሕር”. It is very interesting debate. Besides, I continued to listen the next youtube that hightlights the identical speech of Ex-prime mister MZ and the newly elected PM Abiy.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM & Sir Amde,

            I second your suggestion, that HM to formulate his idea in an article form as a proposal to address the intricate politics of the Horn of Africa. The concept of resolving the Ethio-Eritrean economic conflict within the broad idea of “economic integration” of all the countries in the Horn, where Ethiopia could multiple outlets to the sea from to defuse the tensions that contribute to the internal stabilities of the countries. So HM, in order to increase the receptivity of the idea, organize your thoughts in an article format to mimic an intellectual debate,not only between Eritreans and Ethiopians, but through out the entire of the Horn.

            Regards

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            As I continue to do nemawashi on <> , here is a possible title:

            “Assab will be Eritrean forever, but Ethiopia should have sea access, and Eritrea and Djibouti should be rewarded handsomely”

            thoughts?

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            I guess it depends on the audience, but it works for me.

            An Ethiopian will say “When you say Handsome, you actually mean extortionist”

            An Eritrean will say “Why should Ethiopia have sea access, leave alone at the expense of Eritrean land?”

            Setting aside the colonial era borders argument, I have always thought Eritrea being considered the primary reason for Ethiopian land-lockedness would be a terrible burden on forthcoming future Eritrean generations.

            Such an Ethiopia -for its own selfish reasons – can never stop trying to make sure that,
            a) Eritrea cannot be a threat by itself, or
            b) Eritrea cannot fall under the control of powers hostile to Ethiopia.

            People can argue all they want about sovereignty but that is the reality of it. If you have a neighbor with acres of land, but he has to pass through your 100 meters to get to town and back, he will resent you and find ways to make sure you wont shut him off on a whim. Very simple to understand.

            Eritrea would be much more secure having a demographically and culturally close sibling state on the Red Sea, who would have no good reason for feeling strategically threatened. That gives freedom for both a close friendship or pouty indifference, without either being a need driven by survival instinct. In other words, normal relations.

            So, to me, that is the honest answer. Ethiopia needs sea access so it can remove Eritrea from the strategic threat list. That may not guarantee friendship, but it makes at a minimum benign indifference Ethiopia’s cheapest and default position, which if you fought for Eritrean independence, sounds very much like a sweet deal.

            I used these (similar) words on this forum a couple of years ago, and as you can imagine there were a few upset/incensed people. Well, I have seen no reason to change my mind.

            Most Eritreans in my observation think we are where we are because of bad people: either bad Weyane or bad Isayyas. Personally, I think Eritrea being the main reason for Ethiopian land lockedness creates fertile grounds for the proliferation of uber-nationalistic and even xenophobic political forces. Is that sufficient to explain Isayyas? No, but Assab is the best insurance policy he has. It would really be great for Eritreans to just do a thought experiment of what the past 25 years would have been like if Ethiopia was NOT landlocked.

            As things stand, I agree with you, Ethio-Eritrean relations have a chance at “normalcy” the more Ethiopia has options with other ports.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            I have a bit to say here, but for now i will leave you a 3 thoughts to ponder:

            1) For Eritreans there are a few mental barriers that prevent them from easily giving in to the idea of Ethiopia getting sea-access at the expense of Eritrea (I think they very legitimate, but will discuss them in detain in future). Once past that barrier, the thought of giving Eritrean land (or land swapping) to Ethiopia so that Ethiopia can have sea access is very liberating actually. And as i said the other day, and you elaborated on, it is in the national interest, security and stability of Eritrea (in more than a few ways). The free or nominal fee for service type that people on both sides tout is the most unsustainable arrangement that is sure to end in acrimony with Eritrea losing Assab all together (people that i know from Assab (even Tigrigna people), they appear more Ethiopian (in language, culture etc) than people deported from Ethiopia)….Is Kosovo coming to your mind….?

            2) I think IA would be fine with giving sea access to Ethiopia. To him, it is all about badme, because of the things he said about it…you know the sunset thingy…. He lost it to war and won it by legal means. I can see where is he coming from. May be not as strong as IA, but many Eritreans also feel same way, and attempts by Ethiopians to conflate the badme matter with unpopularity of IA (although effective distraction) is even more aggravating to many Eritreans and contributes to ill-will. We could talk more about this, but it would be a distraction and so lets leave it here. But, I hope Ethiopians realize that they are effectively choosing badme over sea-access.

            3) As I said to Aman the other day, the most difficult groups that are making it hard to change the mental frame and help Eritreans and Ethiopians from envisioning possibilities, are the ypfdj big-mouth-shouters on the side of Eritrea (i would say probably even more than the Eri gov), and the YG-loving tplf/eprdf cadres, commentator and think-thank talking heads in Ethiopia. BTW, i strongly believe, the articles by YG are very damaging to the people-to-people relation between the two countries. They are vile and I can see so many Ethiopians throw away their critical faculties and use those articles to confirm their worst instincts about the people of Eritrea (not gov, but people). It is very disappointing. I am hoping they will be forgotten before they could be translated to local languages of both countries (if they are not done already).

            hm

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            I am sure of one thing; that is, landlocked ethiopia and eritrea can never be good friends. As to the details of solving this fundamental problem, i cannot say.

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            If you can stay with me without being offended, i think what you just displayed is the kind of attitude that needs to be re-framed so that we can get where the two countries need to be.

            I really hope you become more cerebral and contemplative about mechanisms that can lead to Ethiopia having sea-access (including emotional and pride factors) more than making declarative statements that are sure to make people alarmed and defensive, and hence delaying potential successful and peaceful agreements.

            Try it, it is liberating…

            hm

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            Sorry, but i do not understand why you are offended? This is the reality, and unless both sides appreciate and accept the problem, they will be going nowhere. There will be no solution in a vacuum. Do you think that eritreans are ready to give anything whatsoever without knowing the problem and its solution?

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            Well, i was actually saying ‘please don’t be offended by my subsequent sentences…..’

            Also, i was saying, ‘the problem is kind of known, may be time to focus and brainstorm on solutions than shouting the problem back and forth, and for ever trading blame….’

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            Well, what I like with what you are saying is it really challenges assumptions.

            Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I find it hard to believe IA is fine with Ethio sea access as long as he gets a win on Badme. I picture him as someone who is doing what he loves, i.e. unquestioned boss of his territory and a regional mover and shaker.

            In any case, coming up with a sellable swap package might would be welcome in my book. I actually think the drift away from a “biher-bihereseboch” Ethiopia improves the chances of a deal anchored in national interest, as opposed to parochial local political interest.

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            As long as dia is around, allowing ethiopia to have her own sea port on the red sea is equivalent to defeat and annulling eritrean independence, as much as he and his supporters are concerned. I wouldn’t expect any sort of agreement with this regime, whether dia/pfdj get badme or not.

            If future eritrean governments are ready for cooperation it will be in relation to the port of assab. If assab were a busy port, facilitating ethiopia to have her own sea port wound have been a possibility. Three ports, in the distance of only 100km, one of them under-functioning, (asab), does not look practical, in my opinion.

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            Now, after so much attrition, i doubt IA would the person to work with regarding sea access . but back then, i think he would probably be fine (remember he put bitweded in prison for disapproving assab port agreement with Ethiopia). Anyway, IA is almost irrelevant here given the proposal is not short term plan anyway. But what is relevant is the assumption that IA is the only factor in between the good relation between the two countries. this is so wrong. there are a lot of people with ill-will or suspicions on both sides, both supporters or otherwise of pfdj or tplf/epdrf. better pay attention to that.

            keeping assab Eritrean has to do mainly with pride and emotions which i highlighted at important factors that you can’t ignore. But, on top of that, the current assab is probably going to need massive renovation and expansion, so why not just build a new one from scratch fully owned by Ethiopia. As to competition from three ports within a few hundred kms, we have addressed that early on.

            hm

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            A lot of water has passed since then, when tplf and pfdj were buddies. If negotiations are to start today and an agreement is to be reached at some point, still it needs IA’s approval and signature, and therefore he cannot be irrelevant. Is he ready for that? That is the million dollar question, and the reason i brought future eritrean governments as better candidates.

            Of course, there are obstacles on both sides of the divide. There are people who do not like to see a solution and good relations between the two countries, although they know very well that at some point the two people will be forced to water-down their hatred, antagonism and confrontations. Unfortunately, that time has yet to come, and worse, nobody knows when it will come. It is like waiting for Godot.

            Maybe, it is right when you say emotion is attached to assab, and constructing an ethiopian seaport is favorable. Nevertheless, beyond swapping with land, you have also attached money payment for eritrea (if i remember well). My problem is where would the money come from?

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            I think we really need to stop talking about IA here. As said again and again, my proposal is not a solution to current stalemate and is meant only as long term solution…

            You asked money, glad you did. I actually have answered that early on. Anyway, i am sure the international community would be happy to sponsor this. As I said, they can’t wait to help with sustainable solution in the region minimally to stop flow of refugees. Remember, EU was willing to give Eritrea 200million Euros just to do some minimal steps that they hoped will stop Eritrean youth from flowing to Europe.

            hm

          • Halafi Mengedi,

            When you say, “my proposal is not a solution to current stalemate and is meant only as long term solution…”, my understanding is that, in a way, you are talking about a solution over an undefined time period (in the future). That will be when we would be seeing the fruits. How could this serve the two countries, when they are facing major problems today, right now, and a solution is needed?

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            That is a good question. There are so much entrenched minds, i am not sure what the solution to the current stalemate is. If people buy into the proposal as long term solution, it may help them be less defensive and calm down what ever is rotating in their heads…but I am not sure it can resolve the current problem….some thing got to give, and it may end in wimp or a bang…

            hm

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            I think there are plenty of assumptions re Eritrea and Ethiopia that need to be challenged.

            I have said a few things about IA in my reply to Horizon, so i will stop here before someone jumps at me for defending him (although i am just trying to put him in proper context especially since many assume he is the only spoiler which is not true).

            agree on the second part…one of many things that need reworking from ethiopias side, imo.

            hm

          • saay7

            HM;

            For a third of my life, I have heard “Asab will always be Ethiopian!” And for a third of it “Asab will always be Eritrean!” In between was an all too brief period of “it doesn’t make which flag is flying as long as everybody feels like they are benefiting from it.”

            This brings to mind a great scene from Monty Pythons Meaning of Life which, like all good satire, is hilarious and tragic. The scene is of a stern school headmaster addressing school children:

            Now two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the corporation of the Town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British. So from now on, the cormorant is strictly OUT OF BOUNDS. Oh, and Jenkins? Apparently your mother died this morning. Chaplain!

            saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            STEM guy here, not into literature as much as I should be (enshalah, will get there some day..). But i think i understand the gist of it.

            Now coming to Assab, my aim is actually to de-emphasize it, so i should probably remove the ‘forever’ term. But, here is how i imagine the title play out to an Eritrean and an Ethiopian.

            Eritrean:
            ‘Assab is Eritrean..” ****Eritrean (happy, relieved and open minded)****

            “…but, Ethiopian should have sea access…” ****Eritrean (intrigued with a bit of alarm, but hopefully open minded since just assured that Assab is Eritrean)****

            “…Eritrea should be rewarded handsomely” ****Eritrea (hmmm….may be we can talk….)****

            Ethiopian:
            ‘Assab is Eritrean..” ****Ethiopian (thousand thoughts come to mind, but nothing new)****

            “…but, Ethiopian should have sea access…” ****Ethiopian (gives you a hug)****

            “…Eritrea should be rewarded handsomely” ****Ethiopian (hmmm….may be we can talk….)****

            ====
            I am fine if you are calling me naïve….can take it….lols.

            But, as you have probably noticed from my previous postings, I think the kind of arrangement that existed before the 98-00 war is unsustainable…(and read my reply to Amde).

            hm

          • saay7

            Hey HM:

            Not calling you naieve; I am telling you that the people who wrote “what’s wrong with Kansas” can visit every country and write “what’s wrong with this country?” Because they will be conducting cold logic and the world sometimes operates at the gut level.

            In the Monty Python skit I referenced, the headmaster is outraged that school children defaced something minor which symbolizes something huge to him: the sacrifice of men to keep China British. In the same breath, he tells a kid very flippantly “oh by the way, your mother died.” The sacrifice of many some time ago for (even a lost) cause is much more powerful than the loss of one (even if) intimate.

            I am not saying you are naieve; I am saying the values of the nation-state are different from that of an internationalist or humanist.

            saay

          • Patriot

            Selam Saay7. By the way there is a historical connection between Kansas and Ethiopia and Eritrea. A former Kansas Secretary of Transportation, James Beckley, who had during the 1980s lived in Ethiopia and Eritrea, brokered a deal wherein his company and Girma Woldegiorgis, reaped in millions of Live Aid money that was given for famine response.

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            I don’t think i am approaching the problem from internationalist or humanist point of view. The two critical premises to my argument are based off long-term national interest and security of Eritrea (i may be wrong, but that were I am coming from). these are:

            1) The cost of defending strategically poorly positioned (from Eritrea’s point of view) stretch of land from direct attack (or other forms of sabotage) by increasingly desperate Ethiopia is too much and not cost-effective. On the other hand, the downside of giving about 50km of coastal line to Ethiopia is almost ZERO.

            2) the free or nominal fee arrangement for Ethiopia to use Assab is sure to end the Kosovo way.

            There are numerous example of territorial swabs between countries, so this is not alien concept.

            I totally get the logic-v-gut antagonism, and that is why i added some cheesy, secondary stuff…to help calm down the gut. The two people are incredibly proud people (to the extent of their detriment) and a lot of pride and emotions need be massaged.

            Ah, i got the monty python reference now….I only now python as a programming language hahahaah….i need to move out (of my field) a little bit…

            hm

          • saay7

            Hey HM:

            During the 2015 Ethiopian elections the EPRDF had political debates with its oppo which were arranged thematically. One was on foreign policy and I was surprised at how often Aseb came up. I asked an Ethiopian friend who often tells me “hey we have forgotten all about you; Eritrea is irrelevant to the new generation” how he reconciles this and he said well we have forgotten Eritrea but not Aseb.

            You make the Aseb giveaway to Ethiopia as logical and perhaps inevitable.

            First of all, the only reason Ethiopia made a move for Eritrea was because it needed its ports (consider Haile Selasse willingness to take the Bevin Sforza deal) and the only reason it needs its ports is because Haile Selasse first move, to go after Somalia, was met with stern “don’t even think about it” by the Brits.

            Secondly, much of Eritrean mythology now is about people who resisted the Eritrean government’s willingness to give it away (whether that’s the conditions that led to Bitweded’s arrest or Osman Saleh’s defiance of direct order to vacate it during the war.

            On the Ethiopianization of Aseb, there were due to policies that the Eritrean people had nothing to do with (Ethiopian annexation 1962-1991 and PFDJ-TPLF honeymoon of 1991-May 1998.) It’s unclear what kind of policies a free people will negotiate and negotiating one under duress (give us preferential treatment otherwise we will give you hell) is not the right approach.

            saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            Your first paragraph kind of supports where i am coming from. We can’t anymore shrug off the interest of Ethiopians of all kind for aseb/sea-access as ‘hilmi derho’. It is irresponsible to do that we should entertain all possibilities and ways to diffuse that ever ballooning population and desire of Ethiopia for sea access.

            Given the proposals regarding E-E relation and sea/port access that i have heard so much, the likelihood aseb will be Ethiopian is significant and keeps on increasing to a degree where it will be inevitable.

            Your 1st point, again supports my position. We don’t have the same capacity as the Brits to say ‘don’t even think about it’ to Ethiopia. We can try to build it, but it will be costly, as i said in my reply to patriot, we need the kind of budget, technology, international support and internal cohesion (build on solid democratic foundation) as the Israelis. And, currently, we are actually going backwards, we are not even close to what we were when Osamn Saleh defied order to fight. I am willing to change my opinion when i see evidence we are going to the direction of strength building we need to fend off Ethiopia against, again, very unfavorable strategic positioning of assab and denaklia.

            Even if we able to maintain the current status quo, i will like to bring your attention to the huge missed economic opportunity passing by our own eyes. You are aware of the gov of Er effort to establish free trade zones in massawa and aseb. They built airports and hangers and other infrastructure, and their rent and other rates were dirt cheap and they even got promises from several companies to move in…you know what a significant deal breaker was for most companies…insurance rate! international insurance agencies were simply convinced that the cloud hovering that is Ethiopia was too intense to ignore….

            And of HS, how stupid of him!! I know he has his admirers, but for me he is the stupidest person in the whole history of horn Africa. He didn’t need to waste all his capital, energy etc etc to capture Eritrea to get sea access, he had multiple easier ways of getting sea access to Ethiopia that he missed, causing years of war and mayhem in the process. Stupid! Stupid person!!

            your 2nd point, I admit that is challenging. That is why I would say keep aseb Eritrean for ever. And also, the land around setit/tekeze and sole ownership of part of tekeze along with $$$ may can help with that emotional challenge.

            your 3rd point: i see your point, but if nominal fee or free service in aseb is allowed for Ethiopia, unless Eritrea puts quotas on number of Ethiopians that can live there (which would be another point of conflict by itself), there simply will be too many Ethiopians there and over time, Kosovo is inevitable…

            Let me ask you a question though, given the conditions of my proposal, what is the down side of giving about 50km of coastal lines between aseb and Djibouti?

            hm

          • saay7

            Hey HM:

            The downside of giving coastal lines is giving them:) because as Kbur Dr Reverend Abiy Ahmed said it’s not ours to give, its ours to safekeep for future generations:) If the intent is commerce, the same result can happen with long term leases. These long term leases should be negotiated by clear-eyed people with no fuzziness or sentimentality. I would prefer competitive bids from different countries/agencies.

            saay

          • Milkyas Zekarias

            Hi Saay7,
            I agree with you.

          • Patriot

            Selam Saay7. Assab port shall never be leased to accommodate bulk in-bound cargo for Ethiopia. Lease of Assab port to accommodate vessel berthing and/or military staging support, is an entirely different matter. It may also possibly be leased in part or whole, to accommodate vessel-to-vessel freight (i.e. container terminal).

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            You see, PM, Dr., Triple A, Abiy already having an impact…I wholeheartedly agree with you here. As I said the other day, the locals’ voice need to be heard too. BTW, just to be clear, i am only proposing and I don’t think this is the only solution. it is one of many possible ways to address issue, I am just arguing its pros/cons might be better than many other proposal we have heard before. But, to be honest, i really thought, i approached it from clear-mind, and long term solution that would not depend on sentiments or necessarily good relations to sustain it (unlike, for example, the low fee/free kind of arrangement) after it is implemented.

            Of course, although as an Eritrean i have a stake, I am definitely not from that area and don’t represent the locals there, and i am well aware of that, and should be careful when pushing the idea.

            hm

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay and hm,

            .I only now python as a programming language hahahaah….i need to move out (of my field) a little bit…

            You are not far off. the programming language was named after the TV show monty python by the creator who was also a fan just like saay.

            I only come to know about monty python after reading it here at AT from saay article or reference of it.

            Berhe

          • halafi mengedi

            Berhe,

            Now, this makes me look bad. Why didn’t i though of checking the source of the name python for the prog lang??

            Thanks anyway,

            hm

          • Patriot

            Selam halafi mengedi. You sound a lot like
            Seyoum Mesfin and the Agame/Adigrate wing of the TPLF, who shortly following
            the EEBC decision, said that Ethiopia should not withdraw from Badme without
            negotiating Assab in the equation. Land swap? Are you serious? So maybe you are
            going to suggest that Ethiopia gives Port Langano to Eritrea in exchange for
            Assab?

          • halafi mengedi

            Patriot,

            1) i actually don’t understand why Ethiopia is still in Badme. Initially, may be i can understand, emotions were high and pressure was strong from internal groups etc etc. But now, it seems they staying to just piss of IA. And they think they are pissing off IA and IA only, I think they are wrong. in short, my proposal is not in exchange badme. I suggesting, some sparsely populated land along setit/tekeze which will make Eritrea sole owner of a stretch of setit/tekeze. +++other perks.

            2) Also, i am not suggesting to give assab. My proposed title clearly says that. I am suggesting exchanging the coastal lines between assay and Djibouti.

            3) and my proposal is not solution to the current stalemate. i am saying in the long term, it may be in the interest of Eritrea.

            hm

          • Patriot

            Thanks halifi mengedi for the explanation. Ethiopia (TPLF) is still occupying Badme because they clearly wish to negotiate ‘preferential’ use of Assab port within the ‘implementation’ discussions. In regards to future possibility of allocating land/sea access between Assab and Djibouti; just ain’t ever going to happen.

          • halafi mengedi

            Patriot,

            if that is why they are still in badme, it may be appear to work for now, but i think that approach is short sighted. As i said the other day and keep on saying, assab was practically Ethiopian city before the way and would have been completely Ethiopian city by now if it were not for the war…..


            Regarding giving sea access to Ethiopia between Eritrea and Djibouti, i would like to pass a few thoughts by if you are interested…

            1) i think Ethiopia will keep on attempting to have sea access, probably in more desperate way with time, and Eritrea will be the prime target (unfortunately).

            2) the cost of fending off Ethiopia will be huge for Eritrea. we are talking like Israeli army and security apparatus kind of system, budget and international support and internal solidarity….i don’t see us preparing that way, not even close (i will change my opinion once i see Eritrea going that direction).

            3) what is the downsize of swapping lands that would allow Ethiopia to won about 50km of coastal lines. +++significant monetary and other rewards to eritrea. I get the emotional part of it, and i think that can be addressed. but beside that, any other negatives you can think of? especially since most people are actually proposing nominal fee or free port access….

            hm

          • Patriot

            Selam helafi mengedi. Better yet, just go ask your best friend Djibouti for a slice of beachfront property! I’m sure they’ll see no long term down side to it. You are saying the exact same thing that the TPLF internally has since the EEBC decision: Do not withdraw from Badme and instead insist on implementation dialogue so that Ethiopian access to the Red Sea may be negotiated. Eritrea should never trust a habitual lying government!

          • halafi mengedi

            Patriot,

            My thoughts were not based trusting tplf or Ethiopian government, but realistic long term interest of Eritrea….but whatever, you appear not to want to discuss the crux of the matter, so i will stop here.

            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim & Halafi mengedi (HM),

            Kim, the idea of HM is not only a fresh idea outside of the box, but also he sounds from a team of geostrategist of the region who will try to cater those kind of ideas in to the foreseeable negotiations with in the Horn of African countries. What I hope is slowly the crab-kids-talk will diminish, big ideas irrespective its practicalities, like HM’s idea and others, debated in this forum, to influence resolutions to the on going conflicts in or region.

            HM, aside the impracticalities of the idea, in the mind of the current leaders of the region, the concept is not bad to entertain as one of the options, to bring peace and economic development in the region. Now, can you say more on the difficulties and its practicalities of the idea you brought in the context of the current leaders mind of the region. Remember the idea you have brought has to negate “nationalism” and “patriotism” in order to see the practicalities of the idea itself. Did you think about them as a preconditions to instill that organic idea to begin with? Or can you tell us the practical evolvement that might entail in the ground?

            Regards

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Aman,

            Thanks for your kind words.

            There are more than a few things that can make such kind of deal difficult…but lets see how the debate goes in this forum, may be they will be answered in the process (ex,. look at my conversation with amde).

            But in general, the biggest challenge in my opinion is the attitude and mentality of

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            In order to stimulate the debate can you answer my questions? We need more explanation from the originator of the idea. You brought a weighty idea. You dropped it as a hypothesis of idea. Now walk us as to how it could be experimented, say for instance, as in a political laboratories. Then we shall see how to find a political catalysts to facilitate the idea in the mind of the receptors. Please continue to do so,

            Regards

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            “I think Ethiopia should have sea access. Period.” is a very bold statement when it comes from an eritrean, because it is the belief of most eritreans and that of the incumbent eritrean regime that ethiopia having a sea access indirectly annulles eritrea’s independence and makes it meaningless.

            Of course, an expanse of land about 100km wide does not mean that it is the right place for the construction of a deep sea port, nevertheless, one could say that it may help cut the gordian knot, and becomes a step towards reconcilliation.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Horizon,

            See my conversation with Amde.

            hm

          • Alex

            Hi Horizon,
            Don’t get excited to soon. The chance of Ethiopia having a sea outlet of its own is 0%. I will take that to a bank.

          • Alex

            Hi halfi mergedi,
            I don’t think your proposal is practical and acceptable by any Eritrean. Which country gives slice of its land and above all important one close to a sea. Your idea is Eritrea could get a fertile land from Ethiopia. Eritrea have enough fertile land in gash barka. I will support Ethiopia to use port Asab for nominal fee unlike what they are paying to Djibouti.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Alex,

            if you care to debate the issue seriously, please read all my conversations will Amde, i have highlighted several pro to Eritrea (it is not mere fertile land). there are more potential advantages…. Allowing Ethiopia to use it for free or nominal fee is, i think really not in the interest of Eritrea in the long term (i have discussed this in some detail in my reply to Amde).

            BTW, i remember you telling me to speak for myself only, i assure you i am. but why and how are so sure that my proposal won’t be acceptable by ‘any Eritrean’. i know for sure many who see the proposal as practical solution.

            hm

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Alex
            The other day halfimengedi argued power in the hand of tigraians in ethiopia will give assurance for eritrea not to be invaded by ethiopia kind of argument. Today he invaded eritrea himself.

          • blink

            Dear Halafi mengedi
            Why would other people get bogged down for ethiopia to have sea access ? Lets face the reality Ethiopia is land locked and can go its way with out looking to own one single port .They can actually benefit from a competitive port market in Somalia , Kenya , Sudan , Dijubuiti and Eritrea . For Eritreans to live in peace Ethiopia must go its way away from Eritrea and do its business with others not with Eritrea .Eritrea does not need EThiopian containers and it can do it self very well by going its way away from the Habesha poison. Weyane divided Somalia in to chicken nations only to get what they wanted from the west and also weaken a very connected sociaty in Ogaden and other places and the fact the Ethiopia signed port agreement with UAE and its chicken state is simply irresposnible and unlawfull act , Somalia has to anex the chicken state in side and remove UAE and EThiopia from the so called port agreement. Eritrea has zero gain by making it any thing with Weyane land . Eritrea has to break with Ethiopia and join the Arab league when ever necessary either forum any economic agreement with Sudan.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Half(i) Me(n)gedi

            1. – “I think everyone agree that tplf and Ethiopia managed the badme almost to perfection…………”

            2. – “I saw a youtube vid by EEN (in a new show called ‘key bahr’). It seems the EXPERTS they interviewed agreed that the situation with Eritrea is bringing external threats to the region. Amazingly, all of them agreed that ‘it is all eritrea’s fault.”

            3. – “my opinion about ports and sea access. I think Ethiopia should have sea access. period. Along the Eri-Dji border, Eritrea should give up about 75km area and Dji about 25km.”

            ‘ጥንስትስ፡ ወዲ ሕልማ!!!!!!!!’

            What is new if racist white “experts” concluded ‘blacks are intellectually inferior to whites’, what is new if the cunning Woyane “experts” who instigated provoked and triggered the Badme “border” war claimed: ‘they managed the Badme “border war” to perfection, what is new if the gun-toting Ethiopian elite (ነፍጠኞች) salivated about the Red Sea and Assab and threw-up their filth here at AWate every single day, what is new if Addis regimes tried to blackmail Eritrea with the objective to get access to the Red Sea – by shedding crocodile tears to unite the Afar people, to unite the Habesha “brothers”, in order Eritreans to enjoy economic prosperity by getting close to moma Ethiopia and its market…… or simply their favorite, the usual, the old tiresome blackmailing

            ACCESS TO THE RED SEA IN EXCHANGE FOR PEACE

            Well, we Eritreans are people who’ve seen it all – ከኣንበሳ ምንጋጋ ማን ያወጣል ስጋ but we did – ቀይ ባህር ለዘልኣለም የኢትዮጵያ ድንበር ሆኖ ይኖራል but we made it not to be – የማትረባ ፍየል……. but we won the war and today Eritrea is a sovereign UN member nation, ቱታ….. ገዳይ…… እምቢ ያለ ሰው ጥይት ኣጉርሰው but we said እምቢ and we won every battle all the way to Menelic palace…….. What is there to prove?

            Semere Tesfai

          • halafi mengedi

            Semere,

            Why don’t you try this speech on Eritrean youth leaving the country in droves and see if that will convince them to stay in the country to build a stable, prosperous and secure Eritrea….if it does, that will change my assumptions and abandon my proposal…

            hm

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Halafi Mengedi

            “Why don’t you try this speech on Eritrean youth leaving the country in droves and see if that will convince them to stay in the country to build a stable, prosperous and secure Eritrea….if it does, that will change my assumptions and abandon my proposal.”

            I will try that when Addis regimes stop salivating about the Red/Assab and start thinking how to feed their people.

            Until then, as usual, we Eritreans will sleep with one eye open!!!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam semere tesfai
            Saay7 has a win win strong and convincing argument .not stubborn and zerosum game which lead us in this situation.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Teodros Alem

            Either you respect international borders or you don’t. Either you are for Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity or you are not.

            Eritreans are not going to chop their sovereign territories and hand it to Ethiopia – to appease Ethiopia. Ethiopia can’t take sovereign Eritrean territories by force and be Eritrea friendly. That is the reality. Now you can pick your choice.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam semere tesfai
            For me it is about respecting rule of law, respecting sovereignty of a country, changing the zerosum game mentality and changing the stats quo for the better.

          • halafi mengedi

            Semere,

            You want to motivate the youth to stay and build strong Eritrea AFTER addis stop salivating….???? Really? I think you would want to do that now and forever…

            hm

          • iSem

            Hi HM:
            I do not consider proposal insane. For unorthodox proposals to work visionary leaders are needed.
            We got Eritrea and Ethiopia because of the European colonization , no one chose to be Ertirean or Ethiopia, for all we know now, we would have been a different nation with different socio-politics. I know many Ethiopians think that they were a nation before that and while Ethio was not colonized its borders were made by European arithmetic. So even before with some vision the blood shed of 50 some years would have been avoided. And even now, there are many ways that we can have peace, but first things first, the dictators their mafia must be buried and people should stop being gan ho about stupid things and finally get the idea that they should not squander their lives and age to make careers for IA.
            Semere T is enamored by the hoisted flag at the UN, by the national l anthem, Eritrea we have secured your freedom (read we have increased your blood shed). Besides that chest pounding and bragging right, Eritreans have nothing to show for despite their untold sacrifices and bravery and that is not their fault but the fault of the mentors and elders and comrades of Semere Tesfai. That is the blunt truth. tell me when you find out how Semere handles it

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere T,

            Sometimes one fails to resist an urge to say something on some outwardly generalized opinions. Since Ethiopia stopped using the Eritrean seaports, there has not been any hint that its economy had suffered or lagged. In fact its economy has been appraised as one of the fastest growing economies in region and Africa. Some would of course jump and retort by saying that the country has still facing food shortage in the draught prone regions. But the question is why Eritrea’s economy has been in shambles despite availability of ports and open boarders to the Sudan and across the Red Sea to the east, while land locked Ethiopia’s economy expanding?

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            Generally agree with yo here. A few thoughts.

            it seems, saay and others are suggesting that the likes of abiy and lemma (perceid more nationalist and patriotic(?)) have some chance to resolve badme situation without upsetting the whole nation. I actually think it is quite the opposite. As I have argued in this forum before the likes of abiy are more likely to use badmae to get skeptical Ethiopians behind him (because as far I can tell, just about every Ethiopia, even those who hate tplf, love how tplf played the badme situation). As you have said, lemma already used badem to get some nationalist creed. Also, a lot of people in Tigray are currently pissed off, regardless what their current position re badme, if abiy did anything remotely to give it back, tigrayanas will be all over him. Furthermore, if anything, if tplf wants to give back bademe (HUGE IF), this might be as good as it gets, because, they can tell the rest of Ethiopia to back off as it affects Tigray directly, and rest of ethipia will probably be fine given they just took a lot of power from tplf (will see it as compromise). Of course, the chances tplf does this while IA is in power is less than 1%.

            I think everyone agree that tplf and Ethiopia managed the badme almost to perfection (helped by idiotic strategy by IA). Only thing is that one gets the best deal when in stronger position and at times things can change quickly and compromise one’s position. For example, Ethiopia was able weaken IA power almost to its demise and then suddenly the Yemen situation, not only gave IA a life line, but also relatively weakened Ethiopias position (I think it caught Ethiopia by surprise). Still, Ethiopia has the stronger position, and nothing that happens in Eritrea or Ethiopia can change that. Hard to predict, but external factors can. Actually, I saw a youtube vid by EEN (in a new show called ‘key bahr’). It seems the experts they interviewed agreed that the situation with Eritrea is bringing external threats to the region. Amazingly, all them agreed that ‘it is all eritrea’s fault’ (this level of self-righteousness amazes me. Even if you like the Ethiopian strategy, at least admit that it has some side effects.). So, the question to ponder is, what external situation would force Ethiopia to consider its current policy, one way or the other. How well would Ethiopia be able to predict and react if, indeed, external factors threaten to change the equation?

            As to internal matters of Eritrea, anything that justify things thru badme is a non-sequitur.

            hm

        • Patriot

          Selam Sahay7. Thing is, with western political motivation, almost all African countries over the past 10 years (to include Ethiopia & Kenya) could have been found guilty by a U.N. body of committing crimes against humanity. Whatever shortcomings the PFDJ may have, it should be allowed to govern while the Eritrea is not under illegal occupation.

          • MS

            Dear Patriot
            saay7, not Sahay7. I think there is another dude by the nick Sahay, comes occasionally to empty his you k now what.

          • Patriot

            Selam MS and thanks! I’ve made an edit.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            The crimes of PFDJ is defined as “shortcomings”? ነዓባ “ሓርበኛ”:: ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ሰስሒቦም እንዳአጥፍእዎ: ዝአሰርዎም ፍርዲ ከይረአዩ ዘለውዎ ከይተፍልጠ እንዳመቱስ: ነዚ ብሕጽረታት ክትገልጾ:: ተመሊስካ ንሕልናኻ ምውካስ የድልየካ አሎ ሓው Patriot.

            Regards

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Through U.N. eyes, crimes against humanity committed in Eritrea are not crimes if committed in Ethiopia (or elsewhere). If the U.N. would have rightly applied sanctions on Ethiopia back when it first refused the EEBC decision (long before the TPLF’ strategy to demand talks on implementation and to pursue an economic isolationist strategy against Eritrea), I really doubt that we would now be concerned with U.N. findings of human rights violations in Eritrea. Eritrea also would have never of had baseless U.N. sanctions slapped on it. Given this said, we know that there are indeed human rights violations taking place in Eritrea which should never be diminished.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            What are these all excuses, to exonerate the Eritrean regime’s crime? People are disappearing and you are trying to tell us, it is because of the sanctions? What has to do the UN sanction with the disappearance of our citizen by the regime? Are you saying the act of the regime does not amount to crimes against of humanity, irrespective what the UN says about it? Dying our elders, our heroes, now who knows the underaged Eritrean kids thrown in to unknown prisons without seeing their day in to the court of justice is not a concern to you, and it is just “shortcomings” as you put it in your comment? Is this arrogance on the realities or heartless expression to the plight of our people? I do not understand, Patriot.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. You seem a bit too emotional driven when you assert that I have said things which I have not.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Patriot,

            It is not emotional. Didn’t you characterize whatever happing in our nation as “shortcoming” of the regime. Go and edit you comment, if you do not want the word you have used. Your readers can not edit what in your is. Crimes and shortcomings have not the same weight.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Sorry but you are simply wrong. I clearly said ‘ Whatever shortcomings the PFDF may have’ and NOT whatever is happening in the nation as a shortcomings of the regime; there is a big difference.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            You characterize the actions of the regime as shortcomings, and you told us to give them the license to continue the havoc they are doing to the nation and its people. Isn’t it simple to pull it if you are not comfortable with the word. The action of the government does not amount to shortcomings rather it amounts to crime of humanity. You can not go around that word, which has to do with mistakes that has nothing to do with crimes.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Wrong. I have made no characterization.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            Let me make it simple by asking you a question. Is the regime of Asmara criminal by letting citizens to languish in unknown prisons without bringing them to the court of justice for decades? If yes, why do you want to give them a license to continue to evils of misery to our people? Though you don’t have the power, you wish them to continue. If no, then your assumption as “shortcomings” to the act of the regime disturbing to say the least. Make it clear your position brother. We have enough and tired with the twisted Eritrean politics. We need straight talk.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Yes the PFDJ regime is committing a grave injustice by not affording those imprisoned with due process. On top of that, the TPLF’s illegal occupation of Badme and its isolationist strategy against Eritrea has not only afforded the PFDJ regime a justification for its wrongdoings, for it has also penalized the lives of tens of thousands of innocent Eritreans and has been a latent major cause for Eritreans seeking refuge abroad. Isaias and the PFDJ alone are not adequate reasons to justify the TPLF’s nasty political game against Eritrea, nor is it valid reason for the U.N., to use different standards of measurement when identifying which countries to chase and assess in terms of possible human rights violations.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Patriot,

            Now you justified my argument as to why you called the act of the regime as shortcomings. You see Patriot, “all crimes are injustices but all injustices are not crimes.” When I asked you did the regime commit crimes of humanity? Instead of answering yes or no with reasons. You gave me an answer for question I didn’t ask you. I did not ask you whether the regime indulged to injustices or not. Now I have enough as to what your position is. I rest my case if you can not come with direct answers to my questions.

            Actually, you seem to “justify their actions” by relating to the occupation of Badme. The issue of “inhumanity on our people” and the issue of ”Badme” is two different issues that demand different handling. Once you are on the excuse side of the government, you don’t have the pain feeling to our people. I think you are new to awate the website and its forum. The participants of this forum can not let you to dance around the bush and get away from it without being noticed. Either stand with our people or with the regime as there is no both ways in this fight we are on.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. You simply wish to draw your own conclusions from what I write in a way that you want to hear them. Why is it so difficult for many, while at the same time that they are blasting the PFDJ, to also be critical of the TPLF, who is our illegal occupier? The side that I have chosen is clear in that it is Eritrea and not Ethiopia. Now let me ask you for a strait answer to a question: Do you believe that crimes against humanity have been committed in Ethiopia over the past 5 years?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam patriot
            am not eri but i just wanna say this, aman h is like a curse for the oppositions of eritreans. He and there is other guy called Thomas.
            It looks like he is working for the gov of eri. To distance the people from joining the opposition by showing the ugly face of the opposition.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Patriot; you must say TPLF is right and Eritrea is wrong to get approval of the Aman’s of awate. i am telling you, i have been arguing what you are arguing now. Just say Eritrea is wrong, TPLF is right and Badime is not worth it. Then they will take you as a hero and justice sicker. they are lost and you are fighting with lost people. I do appreciate your honesty and stand.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Patriot,

            The human rights being committed in Eritrea is uncalled for and there is no justification. There is no justification for any abuse anywhere. The real issue is the degree and the intention associated with it.

            You need to read the exact definition of the UN human rights council and when it’s invoked.

            Since you are indicating that the UN favors Ethiopia, can you just make an honest comparison for your own sake.

            Do you know if there is any Ethiopian subjected to extrajudicial death?

            Do you know any Ethiopian disappeared?

            Those among others are the criteria that call for CoI and human rights investigation. It’s really rare that the UN takes such extra ordinary measure, unless they reach a deadend.

            They gave the ERITREAN government ample time to change its ways and show progress (e.g. Release prisoners, give pardon, allow visitation, bring some to court etc) which the ERITREAN government have shown no interest but utter denial.

            And remember (if you are ERITREAN) we are talking about justice against innocent people, our own people.

            Yemane Ghebreab and Sirak Bahlibi (the organizer of YPFDJ) can recruit hundredths of youth and make them repeat slogans and train them to flood twitter and Facebook in the campaign of denials but they can’t fool no body least of all the UN.

            5 years of unjust, illegal campaign what has it produced, Nothing.

            While you are trying to find justification, things are escalating against the regime. Now it’s at the AU courts and off course the regime will deny and it get escalated further until its referred the case to ICC.

            Then more strict measures will follow. You think this is the work of Ethiopia, the US but far from it. It’s the work of Eritreans and the victims (the likes of Children of Petros Solomon, Germano Nati, Mahmoud Sherifo, Aster Fisehatsion, Haile DureE, Dawit Isaak) and many others. They are using the mechanism of the UN to push the case further and furthers, which the UN can not and would not ignore them.

            Berhe

  • Paulos

    Selam AbdulAlem,

    You lost me at the end. If you could elaborate. Thanks.

  • sara

    Dear Akex..
    just an update..
    deported direct to eritrea — 95K +
    left to other countries 39k +

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Dr. Abiy,
    I want to “congradulate” you as well using your newly coined word “congradulations”. In your latest tweeter, you said this: “Congradulation for all Ethiopian people!I will be a leader for all!”
    For God’s sake, slow down Dr. Abiy! Can you stop acting a smart for a moment? You have become the party chairman, and you are a day or two from officially becoming the PM a big and powerful nation. Act like one.
    You’ve gotten here through a singular party (EPRDF) path. You didn’t win a national election representing one party and running against representatives of other competing parties. Then. why are you saying “a leader for all?” Or did you mean to address the 180 council members of the Front and to those who did and didn’t vote for you?
    https://twitter.com/Dr_abiy/status/978731691081641984/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=GenConsEthioFra&utm_content=978995228970569729
    ———
    This guy is disgusting me already before I even put a period on my congratulatory line. Oh… how long does it take to see the first day post his departure!?

    • Patriot

      Selam Hayet Adem. You are indeed correct in that Dr. Abiy has arrived to where he is at, through a singular party (EPRDF) path as a historical key security/intel actor. It is in fact his historic close association with the TPLF that leads many to question if he is indeed the right choice. Anyways, let us wish him well!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Patriot; what is lost in all this kumBaya is, the people asked for regime change and EPRDF got away with changing PMs. It is amazing! Although it is a welcome break but once the people find it out that it is the same regime with same culture they will march the streets with impunity knowing they got duped first time around. Let’s face it, Aby coming to PM position is as getting a gun without a bullet. What can he do with out the military and security apparatuses?

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          The PMAA is not sworn in yet and you are already heading to your normal position. I am sure you and co. will say the same thing all over again, what you have been saying in the past.
          .
          I am sure in a short period of time your PIA will refresh his excuse by saying that Weyane is still secretly in charge of Ethiopia and therefore he doesn’t believe in the Constitution for Eritrea and unlimited military service is necessary.
          You will stand up and applaud as you always have done. No change is expected.
          .
          Mr. K. H

          • Nitricc

            Hey KIM: I agree some degree of danger has removed temporally and we know Dr. Aby got the gun; what is your one agenda Aby have to do to know that he is for real and he is not another Hailemariam Desalegn? I will tell you mine after i hear your take.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I don’t know.
            I know it is not Badme related agenda.
            .
            I wish you tell me 3 items for you to acknowledge him as real PM.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kim; Aby’s immediate tasks;
            1) Unite the country under nationality and eliminate ethnic division.
            Amend the constitution and eliminate article 39. Issue new ID card that eliminates once ethnicity.
            2) Clean the house and bring the corrupted officials to the court of law.
            3) Elect new cabinets, end the SOE. Dialogue with all oppositions and open up free political movement. And most importantly solve the problem with Eritrea, doing this Aby will be a hero for the people of Tigray.

          • Amde

            Nitricc,

            I like how you put these gigantic issues under “immediate tasks”

            wey gud..

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMDE; Giving the situation; Dr. Aby has no time. He has to show something real. Remember; The uprising wasn’t for new PM rather for regime change. for instance, issuing new ID card can send a strong massage and i don’t see any gigantic about it.

          • Amde

            Selam Nitricc,

            “Regime Change” is a convenient word. What does it mean? Seeing OPDO be boss is probably sufficient enough proof of Regime Change for now for most Oromo, until they get convinced otherwise by Jawar and other activists.

            I would say “End the SOE” as what can be reasonably put under the “Immediate” category. But that is proxy for the struggle vs the security state, so we will see how it goes.

            The other stuff, it’s gonna take time. If things calm down, there is no incentive for the EPRDF as a whole to open up the political space and create challengers for themselves. Survival is always first.

            I like the guy a lot, but consider me a bit skeptical that he can bring system (or Regime) change. What we have is a generational shift and avoidance of serious ethnic strife. The rest, we will have to see.

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMDE; fair enough; let’s play American political system. what is your expctaion for Dr. Aby in his first 100 days in office? We seem to agree the SOE got to go, what else do you expect him to accomplish in the coming 100 days?

          • Amde

            Hii Nitricc,

            Well as it happens, EPRDF just came out with a concluding report.

            Key takeaway: አገራችን የብዙ ፍላጎቶችና ጥቅሞች መናሃሪያ መሆኗን በመቀበል የመድብለ ፓርቲ ዴሞክራሲያዊ ስርዓት እንዲገነባ ተደርጓል፡፡ የፖለቲካ ስልጣንም ህዝቡ በምርጫ
            ከሚሰጠው ድምፅ ብቻ የሚፈልቅ የህዝብ ሉአላዊነት ማረጋገጫ እንዲሆን ተደርጓል፡፡

            (We put in place a multi-party system system where our people don’t need to riot to be heard – they use the ballot all the time and it is exemplary)

            በአገራችን የጭቆና ስርአት የለም፡፡ የአሰራር ክፍተት አለ፡፡

            (Our system is stupendous, but we suck as managers)

            በዋነኛነት ምክንያት ሆኖ ያገኘው ደግሞ በድርጅታችን ውስጥ የህዝብ አገልጋይነት መንፈስ እየተዳከመ ስልጣንን የግል ጥቅም ማሳደጃ መሳሪያ አድርጎ የመመልከትና የመጠቀም ዝንባሌ ሲስፋፋ መቆየቱ ነው፡፡

            (We found we don’t give a crap about people outside our party… tee hee)

            Most repeated phrase: ” ይህ እንደተጠበቀ ሆኖ “…

            Or as WediAfom calls it “ይህ እንደተጠበቀ ሆኖ” iye kibilo ane

            With respect to the political opposition: brightly promises to do more of the same only more vigorously, (in reference to the EPRDF role that has resulted in the meto be meto ..” ሚናችንን በተገቢው አጠናክረን የምንወጣ መሆኑን እናረጋግጣለን፡፡. ”

            So, to answer your question, my expectation for the first 100 days is
            a) Release of most of the OPDO officials arrested under SOE (this one is a no brainer – how can you have an OPDO PM and have the Oromiya state bureaucracy under lock. )
            b) Release of some of the other other political prisoners,
            c) Suspension or re-engineering of SOE
            d) Maybe some new faces in the formal cabinet (Council of Ministers) and kitchen cabinet (Special Advisors to the PM)

            You can summarize it as the start of internal EPRDF rebalancing.
            Beyond that nothing is guaranteed.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            You are telling me there is no homily to መልካም አስተዳደር? That’s my second favorite. My all time favorite is when you vote against EPRDF, EPRDF doesn’t say “oh, man, they don’t like me; they like the other guy better.” It says, “clearly, this is a protest vote. We hear you loud and clear. Now hear us: we are still in charge and we will be indefinitely.”

            African governments do everything in their power to destroy the opposition (have you been following what Kagame did to his single opponent?) then, after they have monopolized the field, they say, with very sad tones, if only there was a responsible opposition: it would have been good for the country. But alas there isn’t. They have invented the Black Mans Burden. The white mans burden was to civilize the world and the Black Mans Burden is to rule indefinitely.

            saay

        • Patriot

          Hi Nitric: I agree with you. But there is hope that PM Abiy may surprise the TPLF. As Ambassador Cohen has said in regards to Abiy’s nomination ‘Do not be reluctant to take bold steps toward democratic reform. TPLF politico-economic monopolists have been revealed as frauds, and will not be able to restrain you. International community is with you.’

    • Amde

      Dear Hayat,

      Dr. Abiy was conceived and birthed by EPRDF, midwived by the Qerro.

      Surely, one cannot love the mother and hate the infant? Can one?

      Ice Cream coming through….

      Amde

    • Nitricc

      HI Hayat; I understand the situation but Dr. Aby’s nomination can simply be explained that the wrong person at the right time! I don’t believe the man have any kahuna to deal with the real Ethiopia’s problems but his nomination will bring a break for the country and a breather for the people. So, in away it is good for the country, at least for the time being. At least it wasn’t 100% so there is some progress. The main point is the country got much needed break. I hope Aby proves me wrong and I wish him nothing but success.

      • Kaddis

        Dear Nitricc –

        you are reading too much on the opposition lines; the genuine protest movement was later radicalised ( narrow nationalism ) became violent, mob driven and thier leaders clearly said – they want to make the country ungovernable.( check Tsegaye Arrarsa ) The movement was hitting a deadend – when people started to open thier shops by themselves and the fuel blockage failed miserably. Becuase people state noticing there was no political / democratic ambition but distruction to create a failed state. We have seen this film in 2005. They overestimated the power of online activism and now they are crying day and night the SOE to be lifted. The opposition needed the break – not the country.

    • saay7

      Hayat:

      Most likely, you have been had by a parody account. I very much doubt that is his official account and it’s probably some wise guy playing pranks just like they did with Hailemariam Desalegn 🙂

      saay

      • Amde

        Saay,

        Right now the person running
        @PM_AbiyAhmed is having a blast. Just created a minor diplomatic kerfuffle talking about building a wall of love between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

        The one that set off Hayat is @Dr_abiy.

        I have yet to see an “official” “official” account. Besides technically he is not PM.

        This should be good.

        • saay7

          Amde:

          Yeah and both of them have the word “official” next to their name. You know the Dire Straits song “industrial disease”? It has a great line applicable here “two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong.” Here, two of them say they are Abiye, both of them are wrong.

          Twitter is getting harsh with users who don’t clearly identify their account as a parody/fake account. The fake (and hilarious) PMHD account was suspended for that

          saay

        • Paulos

          Amde,

          The question is who is going to pay for the wall.

          • Nitricc

            Hi P; Hayat will pay for it.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            Funny 😂.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            I don’t think there will be a payment problem if both willing to build a wall of love. If u listen to g7 ( through them u can read eritrea’s interest) statement about dr Abiy, u will see there is interest of building a wall of love.

          • Amde

            Teodros,

            What the hell is a wall of love anyway conceptually? I saw someone use that phrase in Amharic just two weeks or so ago, and it sounded strange. It sounds ever more retarded in English anyway.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Wall of love is a wall made up of sunflowers and daisies. It replaces window of hate 🙂

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Will the good Dr. pass Milk and Hmbasha back and forth?

            Hayat might sign up for that. What do you think?

            Hayat?

            BTW. I thought I read somewhere he has a Tigrayan wife. And apparently an online poll of Weyane Radio asking Tigrayans if they were happy with him found 65% ሕገስ እየ… Happy Times

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            He seems well-BREAD, willing to go against the GRAIN…but WHEAT a second! No SKIMming on the milk

            Hayat has moved to Kenya to protest the election.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I interpreted as bulding love across the border(wall).

        • Nitricc

          Hi AMDE; ” ኢትዮጵያውያን ካብ ሓደ ዓይኑ ናብ ክልተ ዓይኑ ቀዳማይ ሚኒስተር ስለ ዘሳጋገረኩም እንኳዕ ሓጎሰኩም! እምበር ካልእሲ ዝቅየር ነገር የለን!” Classic!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhah

          • Amde

            Nitricc…

            Indeed እንኳዕ ተሓጉስና!!

    • Kaddis

      Dear Hayat –

      We are in for a populist season all around the world ( thanks partly to FB). Ethiopia is taking her share. I hope EPRDF come to its senses and manage the polulist tendencies and stick to party perfom: party take credit form. That’s also fitting in parliamentary fed states.

      Although I agree he came from an election in a committee of few; thier process looks genuine (democracy is a loaded word) and looks like they have been doing it without us looking and improving to accomodate new demands in transparency etc…. Maybe I will reflect more if there is interest in other treds…
      Cheers,

      • Amde

        Hi kaddis,

        Please do.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Amde –
          What bothers me is the over analysation of the ruling party and putting a high bar for our validation ( in their own process). No mentioning of the other political players, their behaviour, their political position and why the ruling party is left alone on the field. And no matter what the ruling party does – everybody wants to re-inforce its prejudice. We are in the same situation of analysing Meles after his death. We have or had not interest to challeng the EPRDF for what they are but for what we think they are. This kills the possibility of policy dialogue. Now everyone is an expert on how EPRDF should vote internally. Look at the debate on the numbers given to this guy or that. Its frustrating.

          I see able bloggers give advice to Abiy – saying ‘ now he is faced with democratic centralism, developmentalism etc’ …as if he promised to do otherwise.

          All in all – I appreciate we are made to pass these tense transitions, see defined procedures and maybe demand others to go through the same. And hope we start to demand the ruling party to deepen this practice in the public spheres.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      Give him a chance. He came to be PM by the current process they have. And he is only finishing the term of prime minister HD who resigned for the reasons he gave to the parliament and to EPRDF. He is elected by EPRDF for the remaining of their term until the next election cycle.

      Regards

      • Selam Amanuel H.

        It is an accomplished fact that he is going to be the next pm of ethiopia, whether one is happy about it or not. His credentials were politically discussed, scrutinized, and weighed by the eprdf executive committee, eprdf central council, and will be approved by the eprdf parliament.

        These are people who are supposed to have been voted in to office by citizens whom they represent. Of course, i can’t say that i know all the details of the procedures used, nevertheless he did not come out of nowhere, and he is not putting himself in the office of the pm by himself.

        What matters most at this point is to see him in action, if he can deliver what he promised. All the rest is simply unnecessary, in my opinion.

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat,

      What happens to you?

      Thanks

  • Saleh Johar

    Hope, I HOPE you understand a few things,

    I have told you a million times I am here as an individual, deal with me as you would with anyone else in this forum. How is that difficult to understand for a bright, HOPEFULL person like you? Don’t bring awate the isntitution, or my involvement with it. By the way, that is a wanton violation if I were to use my discretion as a moderator. I Hope you understand. If you repeat this once more, I will be forced to use my other hat, which is at the laundry–so much sweat because I am babysitting some babies in the house as I type this comment.

    By the way, who mentioned Psychiatry? I am curious.

    Until then, I leave you with an Arabic saying. Kulu ana’in bima fihu yendeHu. Barrels echo the sound of their content. For example, if you knocked my head, it will sound empty: tin-tin-tin. That is because I have no brains inside, just overgrown lichens. Now please pray with me: May the Almight sweep away the PFDJ since we humans have failed due to the type of heads we have, like mine.

    • iSem

      Hi SGJ and uncke Hope
      The relentless attack by hope, and deaf ears reminds of the late Dr. Mussie Misghina*, he once was so angry about Asmarino.com hosting dissending views that he wrote that if he was living in Asmara he would have beaten down Tes Meharenna of Asmarino. And I remember that you are both Kerenite , were the same batch (although Hope denies it) and so I am suspecting that Saleh beat Hope in high school and Hope still remembers that humiliation because it has left indelible scar in his Mai Daarit stained teeth that he gets mocked often
      It is in sane Saleh repeating to Hope to not conflate moderator with him and Hope doing it, Keytennn:-)
      Mussie Misghina*: I know he is not dead, I call him late because he was a signatory of the letter by the-13 and then he bailed out, his bailing out and his subsequent attacks of the opp camp prompted Sal to write an article titled : Regression to Mean

      • Paulos

        Semerile,

        Yea I remember that guy and calling Tes names which was a bit nasty. I thought he dropped out from Hgdef camp too.

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate how you guys doing my friends
    wey guud we heard sudan change already side and become hostile to the very friendly
    country Eritrea , maybe they want to loose more lands like south sudan
    can they match even Eritrea let alone those little scavenger that only innocent women and childs ;
    and what is awate excitement about ?
    and who trolling who ?
    wasn t the opposition media trolling eritrea all this years?
    ,only true win at the end no trolls or propaganda believe after the woyane invested on millions of trolls ,look now they dying ,
    so people hudue belu the border are well protected and if it happen let it be sudan or any are no match to Eritrea ,
    but it s democracy hopeless can still dreams behind a comfortable desk .

  • Nitricc

    Hi Alex; you said ” I am at a loss with all the celebration by a lot of Oromos in OMN and twitter” You got to understand and place your self in the people of Oromo’s shoes. In their entire existence, they are treated as garbage by successive Ethiopian rulers and there was difference when TPLF ruled . When finally an Oromo man emerges to this power-less power; they had to feel good and celebrate but in reality, it is strictly symbolic. I think Lemma could have fought for them better and harder than this pretender.

  • Amde

    Hi Alex,

    “I am at a loss with all the celebration by a lot of Oromos in OMN and twitter. I think the election of Dr.Abiy is the best thing that happen to TPLF. ”

    You are absolutely right.

    That is precisely why it was a total mystery to everyone why TPLF fought him tooth and nail. I mean the celebration is nice and all, but the system is still based a lot on armies of spies and torturers, and many prisons. And it will likely stay so for a while yet.

    The celebration among Oromos is primarily for the symbolic value. But Team Lemma has some reputation of fighting at least some of the “investor class” on behalf of farmers.

    So in a sense, you can see this as a pure class struggle. Replace the labels “TPLF” with the “Rich”, and “OPDO” with the “Poor” and things fall into their logical place. It was not TPLF fighting Dr Abiy, it was the Crony Capitalist class. And beyond it being a purely Team Lemma thing, the language of “class contradiction is primary” came out as an OPDO position, counter to the long established EPRDF orthodoxy of “ethnic contradiction is primary”.

    Not to say there are any guarantees that OPDO will remain a champion if the poor… any Ethiopian will tell you if anything of all the EPRDF parties, OPDO has had the worst reputation for corruption.

    An OPDO + ANDM marriage will make the current system stable. Which means that the type of Crony Capitalism that fuelled the unrest can become even more entrenched and difficult. That is one of the reasons I would like to see EPRDF break apart to be honest with you, and each of the four parties to have strong regional opposition.

    One step at a time..

    Amde

    • blink

      Dear Amde
      He is a new leader and he deserves the backing of good wishers as well as the general public. While the military are very hard to dismiss at once but he can do it if the Qero guys stayed organised, I mean at least the killings can stop , do not you think Amde ? How many families are without their loved once , I think it will be a bad beginning if the killings , torture and prison continue even for one day at his watch. I believe TPLF are still with enormous power but after these 3 years , they will not dare to even try their habitual behavior. It is simply irresponsible also to hold his speech that he said while looking for smiles. He can hire very good people because Ethiopia has them by millions. A good manager is always good at hiring and delegating responsibility, let’s hope he hire good hearted Ethiopians .

      • Amde

        Hi blink,

        Did you interpret my post as a criticism of him personally? No it was not. The man is likeable and smart.. and I feel he really is a decent person. He has a reputation for being a great and motivating manager, leaving places he has managed with high morale.
        As much as I don’t like the EPRDF system, I think he is the right person for the times. It is just important to remember he operates within an EPRDF system.

        It is weird how his own biography is so representative of the country.. honestly the only detail missing is that he is not female. But otherwise he checks off many many boxes. Even down to the sometimes hocky pseudo-intellectualism Saay likes to mock, which believe me is not unusual in the typical Addis middle class social event.

        He has enormous (scratch that – ginormous) political capital, domestically and internationally. The question is then how he chooses to use it, and how the military and security choose to respond to him.

        Amde

        • saay7

          Amde:

          All I said is he is imminently quotable; it’s Eyob who has the problems. I think it’s his body language and delivery: he gives that always-earnest, too-good-to-be-true hold-on-to-your-wallets vibe. Consider this line:

          “this country is not a heritage from our ancestors. This country is a trust from our progeny.”

          In the mouth of an authentic politician, this can get the crowd on its feet. But, coming from Abiye, it sounds synthetic. I mean to Eyob’s ears 🙂

          saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Funny enough, I heard/read the line about “We didnt receive this land as birthright from our ancestors, but as a trust for our children” over 20 years ago as a Native American saying. For whatever reason, it stuck in my brain. So, when I heard him say it, and the way he embellished it, I thought it was a great point, especially in a society where we are all about the glory of our forefathers and foremothers. I am not ashamed to say it worked on me. God knows much of our politics is grudges.. Menelik vs Yohannes is still killing people as we speak.

            Yes, he is quotable, especially in the awkwardly translated versions. Think of it.. there could be a subgenre of abesha yogi berra’esque bon mots coming Awate.com’s way to grace its pages maybe even for years to come. I have half a mind to sketch up a T-Shirt of an Atomic Cow.

            He will be fine. Remember he is primarily Team Lemma. That’s where the game is at.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selam Amde:

            Uh-oh. So that is another, um, borrowed expression? Are you aiming to give Eyob and Hayat cardiac arrest?

            I very much like your atomic cow. Can you make sure it’s grazing on “electric avenue”, with best regards to Eddy Grant.

            saay

          • Amde

            Haha Saay,

            The best borrow shamelessly. No shame in that. Why would Eyob or Hayat get cardiac arrest? I think Hayat is recovered by now. And Eyob knows what’s up.

            The thing is we in the west have lost a certain reverence for books and reading. They are bountiful, we think they all have an agenda, the writer is probably a moron, they are dirt cheap etc..etc…

            But the old book sensibility still rules in Addis. If it is a bestseller or popular, then it must be good. And by God, what a relief from the constant dreck of ኒዮ-ሊበራሊዝም vs ልማታዊ XYZ.

            I recently had the opportunity to meet a dude who was friends with the current OPDO mayor of Addis. Apparently, all the mayor wanted out of this relationship was for the dude to send him books – any books – to read. Isn’t that a wonderful kind of relationship? Any package is a surprise, and through that process one develops eclectic tastes. Abiy sounds like that – a man who still reveres books – and hence picks something from anything that comes his merry way.

            Actually, Abiy’s platform when he runs should promise us a Land of Milk and Books.

            Mmmm.. wholesome for the body and soul..

            Dammit now I am hungry…

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Land of milk and books? How dairy! What if Hayat and Eyob are lactose intolerant? You might want to bookmark that.

            Ok, I will stop. Besides, I hear all Abiyes got is skimmed milk

            Ok ok. But you asked for it.

            Saay

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Do you know what is kinda strange in Addis? They have mobile mini book-stores. Young people carry about 20 or so books pretty much the whole day [imagine that carrying books on a bare hand] and try to sell them around. Thing is the young are not that much into reading books these days for they glue on iPhones and what have you and they have a TV channel that shows cheap Brazillian and Turkish Soap-Opera translated to Amharic.

            The joke is, if a family wants to hire a house maid, they make sure that they have the TV channel [It is called Qana] otherwise the maid would turn them down. I am hoping P-MAA [Henceforth we call him Pimaa] will inspire the young to get the habit of reading books. How about him getting a short video on books with the heading, “The Joy of Reading.”

          • Amde

            Paulos,

            Oh don’t get me።started on that whole Qana catastrophy. Those cheap-ass Turkish and Indian soaps (I hate soaps) are so well dubbed, they get whole families glued. I swear there is a noticeable drop in GDP due to Qana. The good thing is, Qana is gearing up to make high quality original programing with Ethiopian actors and stories. The bad thing is Qana is gearing up to make high quality original programming. Did I tell you I hate soaps? I don’t care if they call themselves ሳሙና።

            The mini-book stores. You know every time I travel, I buy a couple from a few of them. And for years now, I have been asking where they are from. All except one person tell me they are Gojjames from Bahr Dar. It is astounding really.. that must tell you the Ethiopian book mafia is a Gojame Cosa Nostra.. I swear Gojames must be behind the supply chain. Even assuming half are government spies, there has to be an easier way to make a living.

            Glad you got a taste of Qana.. Is ቃና ውስጥህ ነው?

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            You should see me laughing. The ሳሙና thing is Gold as you say it. They may probably call it Raya as in the Beer for it is the sponsor. Of course as you know they call them Soaps cuz they were first sponsored by the Soap factories and the name got stuck.

            You know, first I thought it was kind of creepy when I saw the logo where it says “ቃና ዉስጤ ነው” as if it was kind of spritual revival. And it is true Qana is cashing every dime where EBS, Fana seem to be struggling. Talk shows are sprouting as well but again still kinda up hill struggle to match Qana. Gone are the days when ህብረት ትርኢት every Thursday night and ታላቅ ፊልም every Saturday night were the only chill time that had stopped couples from making more babies.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            ” Gone are the days when ህብረት ትርኢት every Thursday night and ታላቅ ፊልም every Saturday night were the only chill time that had stopped couples from making more babies.” Man I laughed at the “chill time”. Since most of those movies were Soviet films, we can most assuredly use Mr Obama’s phrase and say – “yes Indeed Saturday night ታላቅ ፊልም was most assuredly a Bolshevik plat”

            As you know, the “ቃና ዉስጤ ነው” tag line is voiced by a rather sensuous voice, and she says it rather like..”ቃ..ና.. ዉ……ስ……ጤ ነው” So a few drinks later, as you can imagine what you so kindly termed “spiritual” takes other interpretations. Indeed it is, pretty lady… indeed it is. I can’t imagine how many takes it took before they could say it with a straight face.

            I am constantly being surprised at how many good shows there are on the non-Qana private channels nowadays. The content and production values are great. I am hoping we may be on the cusp of broadcast liberalization that will really explode the sector.

            Keep visiting my friend. Hopefully we cross paths in Sheger, and who knows you may show me around Asmara at some future blessed post-Afom future.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            In a heartbeat! Will take you around in Asmara and Sal will take you to Keren another city of a natural beauty. Addis is booming and it is changing fast as in really fast. The film industry is expanding where if there is any surprising thing about it, most of the film makers are women which I think is remarkable.

            The other thing is, I have never seen any city with that many cars. I am sure Toyota car company is blessing Ethiopia for what it is worth.The city is literally congested. But I must say this, Addis lacks authenticity where Asmara in that regard outshines it. It probably has a lot to do with the city-planning where Asmara seems the work of a genius and you will attest to that effect when Our Great Leader Isaias Afwerki is long gone, as Sal put it, a word that has not been said yet.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            I wonder when was the first time you visited Addis?

            I was born and grew up there. I dont think today’s Addis has any charm. I completely agree with you. I feel sad actually. I dont want to be political, but the upshot is Addis really has almost never had its own government. And in the last 27 years it was just a huge real estate cash cow, or a restive population that needed to be tamped down. So you see short term chaos everywhere.

            I thought the hot springs area near the palace would have been a great center for a spa industry. What national capital can boast of such a treat within its center? But it is becoming the banking district now, high rises in the day and dead at night. The rivers and their banks were another possibility. The Entoto mountains.. a great natural feature. One is lucky to smell Eucalyptus in the air once you come down in elevation and toward the newer parts of town. Its becoming a concrete jungle. Very little in terms of green space for kids to run on.

            But great and funny people though!!

            Asmarinos i guess rock the swagger better though.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            First time was in the late 80s when I was in high school visiting relatives and then many times over after 91. And I see dramatic change in every visit but the change is not only confined to Addis but all over. For instance, it is rather original to see Turnpikes in free-ways in between say from Addis to Debrezeit or Nazret.

            As I said, however, the city lacks authenticity and the class disparity is palpable. For instance, the comparison between say Bole and Shiromieda is striking not only the houses or buildings but the people as well. There is the feel of “The Hamptons in Long Island” if you will where say Heineken costs 80 Birr and 23 Birr else where.

            The other thing is there is no environmental considerations where it is easly to see the city turning into Tokyo with the least of trees in the world.

          • saay7

            Amde and Paulos:

            I can out-kana your Kana story:

            I was in Egypt a few months ago. In the home I was visiting was straight-outta-Eritrea youth. We were listening to his Eritrean story (horrendous, as usual, told with the usual understatement thanks to the frequent “normal” thrown in) and suddenly I noticed he lost interest in the story and he would glance at the TV. And right there was a Turkish soap opera dubbed in Amharic. The show was called “yetekema hiwet” and this show was his escape. In his trip-around-the-horn he never made it to Ethiopia so the show must air in Eritrea.

            And tsk tsk, it’s Kana not Qana:)

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Now one thing about me, I am a ግእዝ transcription snob, which means ቅ is always Q. Thank you very much. So all you ቀጀላs ቀፀላs ቀለሟs that dare to write your own names as Kejela and Ketetsela and Kelemua are dead to me. Dead.
            So is this ቃና thing that earns its shekels dubbing ቱርክኛ into Amharic but can’t be bothered to care whether it is ካና or ቃና።

            Actually, as soon as I started writing this note, I thought how ironic, an Eritrean refugee kid would watch a show not targeted to him, but titled “yeteqema hywet”.?” ( A Life Snatched Away)

            I can imagine since these channels are all satellite, they would be accessible in Eritrea too, but for whatever reason i didnt think of it.

            ቃmde

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            I wouldn’t be surprised. The dude who came up with the idea of dubbing Portuguese or Turkish to Amharic is simply brilliant. It is not only Addis, it is the whole nation is hooked to it where the conspiracy goes, it is Weyanes making so that the people would be indifferent to politics. And I agree with Amde, it is Qana not Kana.

          • saay7

            Kids kids kids:

            You can’t fight with a pronoun:)

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana_TV

            saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            That is violation of posting rules ☺.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            Good point! So, please wikipedia “Kana TV” and good luck finding Qana TV:)

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde, Paulos and Saay,

            I always thought the Bollywood is responsible for keeping India together and for the people to continue to enjoy democracy.

            The same way Hollywood did for America.

            I think Ethiopian government should invest heavily in the movie industry…with a purpose though….

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            That is a good point but I would say Bollywood movies reflect rather the the very essence of Buddhism as in suffering, pain and its illusory nature where family takes the center stage as a micricosm of a society.

            In Ethiopia, the industry is still in a nascent stage where the story line in any given film is rather trite if you will where my suspension is the screen writers focus more on the mundane instead. For instance, Akiro Kurosawa, the film maker from Japan and Vitorio De Sicca an Italian film maker both made films centered on stories about the impact of World War II on their respective countries in a brilliant way for both countries were on the losing end and both men came of age during World War II. And one hardly sees that kind of realistic reflection in the works of Ethiopian film makers.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            You have touched on why at least for me I can’t stand most Ethiopian movies. They represent/display a very small slice o Ethiopia, I would say the Addis middle/pretentious/nouveau-riche class. Basically what I grew up in. haha….

            Part of it is I think sheer logistics. It is a lot cheaper and less controversial to make and distribute movies in and about Addis, To say the industry is nascent is to give it a compliment. Ethiopia is a land of a million new setting and a million new untapped stories. Barely touched..

            Now a Bollywood style song and dance routine…. hahah that would be something.

            amde

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo and Amde,

            I said “with a purpose”…

            I probably saw less then 10 or Ethiopian movies and I have no idea. I don’t think the Eritrean movies rate any better as well…I only started to watch some of them when we have elders visiting. I actually do not like most of their story line, specially the focus on adultery and demonizing women and values (which seem the theme for most of them).

            I understand there is lack of budget, lack of proper schooling, like arts, film, acting, writing etc..but the biggest barrier which use to be technology (expensive hardware / software etc) is no longer an issue with the quality of products available at really really reasonable cost.

            When i used the Bollywood example, as you said the story line is very well scripted where the focus is always a positive outcome to the society and helping the narrative of unity, love and optimistic outlook in life. In other words, it give the young hope….to dream very BIG.

            I think few years ago, Toronto hosted the annual Indian film festival. There were few other contenders to host the festival and the city of Toronto, and the province and the federal government all coordinated with the large Indian community to made the bid. If I am not mistaken, they had paid over 10 million dollars to get the top Indians actors to appear in the venue where the politicians were taking pictures and all. I know the politicians (liberals my friend iSem loves to hate) were doing for their own selfish votes (at the expense of tax payers) but the rational was, the festival generated over 100 million revenue for the city of Toronto with all the hotels, restaurants and other benefits it brings to the city.

            And I am really surprised, no matter where the Indians are born, now many generations in the west, the type of interest they have in their film industry and how closely they watch and follow it.

            That’s what I have in mind when I said Ethiopia should invest heavily in the industry..to change the narrative and give the young people HOPE to DREAM big and to make a change for the better.

            For example, 10 million dollar to make 10 movies (really good movies per year) like one every month… I am sure they can find that easily somewhere…And if they become really big, I am sure they will get it back in no time with the huge population….

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            Are you sure you don’t want at least an honorary Ethio citizenship? Great suggestions.

          • Berhe Y

            Hey Amde,

            I think I believe I already am. I just wish a day comes where our people can live freely and enjoy all the things our countries to offer and share.

            I have an very interesting friend (Eritrea), I don’t get to see a lot of him because he is always busy doing stuff (he is not iSem).

            Few years ago he told me he was reading a book “The Barefoot Emperor” of Tewodros. He said the book so so big and expensive, he didn’t want to spend money to purchase the book. So he goes to the book store read it for few hours and he hides it somewhere (outside of the shelf – make it hard to find for others) so to continue to read until he finished. He was amazed about the content and the research that went on in the book.

            He said to me, I think it would a very nice story for a movie.

            I have thought about it and I told him, why don’t you find time to pitch it to Tyler Perry and Oprah. He is married to an Ethiopian and Oprah, and they have money. May be they find the story as an interesting black / Africans story, and you will make a great part in the movie:).

            Berhe

          • Amde

            በርሀ ሃወይ,

            Nice story about your spendthrift friend haha… Funnily enough if he had bought the book and taken it home maybe he wouldn’t have finished it. I will have to find the book.

            Amde ሀውኻ

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            How about sending the story to Haile Gerima.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            The few movie directors I have talked to about movie ideas all say the same thing: Cost.

            Bring the money and they can make it. The talent is already there.

            Teddy Afro’s music videos have started to have the look and feel of period piece cinema. So i assume we will start seeing deep pocketed people like him may be the ones that can sponsor serious works.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            That is very true. In addition to that, there is a lack of studio where they can shoot in a myriad settings ala Universal Studio in L.A. say in the outskirts of Addis where it is a super thing to invest in.

            The challenge in cinema is of course translating a script into visual arts and you need talented film makers or directors for that particularly when the setting in the story says more than the plot. As such, one needs a semblance of a prototype town where they can shoot instead of going around the city administration asking for a permit say the corner road around Edna Mall where it is usually packed with people and traffic jams.

          • Beyan

            Dear Brothers Paulos and Amde,

            Your conversation took me back straight to my UCLA years when EPLF and TPLF drove Mengistu out. There was an Ethiopian professor whose course i was taking in Third World Cinema at the time, who was thoroughly excited about the prospect of setting in Ethiopia a scenery where filmmakers can conceivable go there make their movies. His amazement at 13, 14, & 15 years old kids driving the bastards out of power was a site to see. That trademark smile of his, and the way of motivating us students to dream big was by telling us students in theater like setting while he on the stage with his typical Ethiopian accent would say, I can always use the excuse of English being my second language, you (meaning Americans) have no excuse not to excel.

            Unfortunately, he passed away back in 2010 without his dream being realized of making Ethiopia a movie making landscape. Ethiopia, would indeed can become one such center for movie industry, at least, for Third World Cinema to which he was committed. Here is a little tribute from his family that I am copying and pasting, which I found searching through UCLA website:

            “A Portrait of Teshome H. Gabriel, 1939-2010”

            “The family of Professor Teshome H. Gabriel, who died on Tuesday, June 15, has shared a brief biography of the Ethiopian-born scholar of Third World Cinema who found a home at UCLA.

            “What I am seeking to do, I would say, is validate the notion of the academic citizen, by which I mean an academic who has some relationship to the wider communities that surround us and which overlap with other arts and disciplines.” — Dr. Teshome H. Gabriel

            Professor Gabriel

            “Born on September 24, 1939 in Ticho, Ethiopia, Dr. Teshome Habte Gabriel was a true academic citizen. He often referred to himself as a simple baalager, meaning country boy, however he was a renowned international scholar; a critical thinker with a compassionate and generous spirit.

            “His life represents a series of experiences in education – as a learner and a lecturer – beginning in Ticho and continuing at the General Wingate Secondary School and the “Commercial School” in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. He then enrolled in the University College of Addis Ababa (now Addis Ababa University) where he emerged as a student leader. Weaving activism with academics, he served as student body president from 1960-1962 and represented Ethiopia at student conferences in Moscow and Hawaii.

            “In 1962, his academic journey brought him to the United States as a student at the University of Utah studying political science and educational media. Teshome went on to complete both a Master of Fine Arts (1976) and Ph.D. (1979) at UCLA, with a focus in cinema and its relationship to the world. He found a home at UCLA, serving as a professor in the School of Theater, Film and Television for over 30 years until his untimely death on June 15, 2010.

            “Over the years, Teshome’s talents and teachings have impacted and inspired countless students and faculty. His professional accomplishments include his extensive writings, translated into multiple languages, on memory and cinema, theories of Third Cinema and the aesthetics of nomadic thought in cinema. His groundbreaking, seminal work entitled “Third Cinema in the Third World: The Aesthetics of Liberation” was one of the first books to theorize cinema in Africa and the rest of the Third World.

            “In the words of his colleague and dear friend, Vinay Lal, Teshome was a “friend, master storyteller, scholar and humanist par excellence.” He will be remembered as one of the foremost theorists of film and social change, a revolutionary scholar, a profound artist, and a tremendous human being. Teshome was renowned for his humble and joyful heart, which will always remain his most endearing quality. His passing is a profound loss reverberating from Los Angeles to Addis Ababa. He is survived by his wife Maaza, daughter Mediget, son Tsegaye, and countless family and friends.”

            Published: Friday, June 18, 2010

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Beyan,

            Many thanks for sharing the otherwise eventful life of a great scholar. RIP.

            I think the film industry in Ethiopia was making strides when the King was in power where the film ጉማ was featured in the 70s with the then rising stars in it as in ደበበ እሸቱ among others. And of course, when the military Junta came to power, every facet of the society was geared with a communist bent including arts as well. As such, the impetus to press on also got lost with it.

            Most of the Ethiopian scholars including artists who came of age with in those restive and tumultuous times, they tend to work their artistic know-how with in the scope of “Neo-Realism” where the film maker Haile Gerima is case in point. If you see his works and the films he produced, you see Oliver Stone and Terrence Malick in him where they reflect the pressing socio-economic and political realities through cinematic genre.

            Fast forward with in the present generation however, one would be hard pressed to see that kind of intense intellectual reflection not only with in the film makers but the general audience as well. There seems to be an over-indulgence in the high-and-fast life of the cenematic genre designed to make more money as opposed to channeling the human condition where art imitates life on the smokescreen.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Beyan,

            Thank you for introducing me to this name.. I had never heard of him before.

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            That is a great point. I agree!

        • Selam Amde,

          The good thing is that Dr. Abiy Ahmed is garnering positive feedback from across the different ethnic lines. Most ethiopians seem to have been satisfied with his election as the next pm.

          Jawar Mohammed has this to say: “This appointment carries a unique opportunity, in the real sense of the term, if he is determined enough to capture it, that can translate into the great and historical responsibility of leading Ethiopia and its peoples into the peaceful transition to democracy.”, which shows that even hardliners are changing their position, and he is getting a honeymoon period from olf, and maybe others as well .

          It is said that he has the mass of young oromos behind him, and his mission though difficult, has the chance to succeed, if he really tries hard to bring reform throughout the country, as he and Lemma M. tried to do in Oromia, the reason they gained the support they have today. They seem to have the foundation in place on which to build the whole edifice, may be at least part of it.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam gashe Horizon and gashe Amde,

            I think the history making e sence of the event is sufficient for Dr. Abiy to get support. Ethiopia has turned a page. An Oromo with his surname at the center of power could not but marked as historic. In my view, even king making/unmaking role members of the Jeju Oromo
            family had played the center of power during waning years of Gonderine Dynasty at the turn of the 18th century may not match the
            current event .Success or otherwise of his leadership would be determined whether or not he would take on board the ruling coalition to support a broadly accommodative transition platform for meaningful democratization process.

          • Amde

            Hi Gash Ismail, Horizon

            As a historical note, I am seeing some posting on-line, where Dr. Abiy, at 41 or 42, is the OLDEST new leader to take power since at least Menelik. PMHD was about 45/46 when he took over as an exception, but he could be considered a continuation of the Meles years. HaileSellasie was in his 20s when he overthrew Lij Eyassu, and both Mengistu and Meles were in their 30s.

            Its an interesting paradox. To me Dr. Abiy represents a shift from the Ethio Student Movement generation (Abay Tsehaye, Sebhat Nega, Bereket Simon etc…) to the next. It seems Meles’ “metekakat” worked, just not within TPLF.

            I guess we will know in a few short weeks if Dr Abiy would be considered a true transition or just a continuation of status quo. Will it be the gaggle of advisers (kitchen cabinet) or the true cabinet that runs the country?

            Amde,

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Gash Amde,
            You are quite right about his age in relation to his predecessors since Menelik II as well as representing post organized student activism generation. This give us the sense that he might be free from specific idealogical baggage.
            What I came to know about him through his speeches and functions he had assumed persuade me to think that he seems to be roundly practical and pragmatic vis-a-vis governance hurdles the country has been facing. One example I can cite is his attitude to knowledge, which I heard him expounding with appreciable eloquence and passion in one of his speeches. I think he knows that guiding peoples to gain knowledge in the processes of development to help them pull themselves from backwardness and poverty at minimum costs cannot be done without a measure of freedom and liberties.
            That is why he should well-advised to design clearly phased program of democratization that can unite the peoples around it. If he can articulate it and get well-connected with the various constituencies, he can minimize obstacles he may face from the members of the coalition partners.
            Anyway, looking at his resumé of ascent from the lower ranks of the military to where he is now, gives reasonable hint about his way of doing things – calculated measures with in pragmatic framework. By the way, he cames from a beautiful town of Agaro near Jimma, I visited there in 1974 and I admired the breath taking natural scenery but at the sametime dismayed by huge latifundias of coffee plantations owned at the time by absentee landlords while the real owners of the land living in abject poverty

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismail,

            I actually thought the same way when saw one of his video, the same one I think you are talking about “knowledge”, where he spoke about “free speech” and “free flow of ideas”.

            I think in the same speech where he referes “E=MC2” and “Hiroshima” and “light”.. where saay was referring to tease Eyob:)

            I may have missed the whole thing he said but I didn’t see anything wrong with it, when he used the example in that context. What I think he was saying is “if we use knowledge knowledge like E= Mc2 for good purpose we get light (as in nuclear energy) i.e. positive but bad if we build bombs (atomic bomb as was used in Hiroshima”.

            Berhe

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Berhe,

            Sorry for this late exchange; I usually try to respond to rejoinders I get from fellow forumers. Regarding the issue at hand, that was what I understood from his speech – the smartness of knowing how to use knowledge and for what end to use it. That is one of the qualities of competent and aware leadership.

            Incidentally, while I am at it, allow to ask you about an interesting discussion you had with brothers Dr. Beyan and Yohannes Zerai, which appeared to me the discussion was moving toward a project. The groundwork idea was Gene Sharp’s book on non-violent struggle. I thought then it was very useful idea if pursued to some sort of conclusion. Thus, let me ask you, if I may, whether it was wishful thinking on part or it is in fact serious and is in the pipe line.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            The oldest PM at 41 or 42? Isn’t that crazy..may be it’s the main reason for the political problems for Ethiopia.

            Just try to measure our lives when we were at that age? Unless the very, very small gifted, very gifted people, what can one really know much about life in his 30s……that can affect the lives of millions of people.

            I think Eritrean and IA real problem is, this guy become a leader in his 20s and he is still the leader. He doesn’t have to learn the many challenges one needs to go through life to learn from experiences…

            In other words….he never learn from experience what it means to be told “NO you can’t do that” from someone or somewhere, be it your boss, your teacher, your colleagues or what have you and you will be able to live it with it.

            Just think about it,…what could Kim Un have as an experience in his life that could possibly compel him to be a good leader. He probably got all he wanted in his life without being told NO.

            I have been saying….if IA is bad for Eritrea, I think who ever comes next, my guess is his son, will be even worse. If history is an indication, it will never get better but worst with these type of power transition, Haiti, Syria, N. Korea etc…

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            It is mind blowing I know – right?Now that I am in my fifties, I dont think I would have trusted my own self in my 20s to tie my own shoes, let alone make life an death decisions about people.

            Your point real bears repeating and re-inforcing.

            What is funny is, if you ask Isayas today to leave power to a 20something he will probably say what a crazy idea that is.

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            Unless Dr. Abiy holds his head above the water and he sees with a clear vision where he is going and what he is doing, and chooses to swim in muddy waters of the status quo, he is a lost case, because the querro young wound ask his head on a plate. I believe that they are ready to pay more sacrifices to see that their sacrifices up to now were not in vain, and they wouldn’t allow anybody to hijack it, not even one of their people.

            There is no going back. It would be the gravest mistake Abiy Ahmed would make. He will have more chance of survival with the people, carrying out reforms than with those in the eprdf, who want to keep the status quo as it is . He will find himself between a rock and a hard place, isolated and the querro and olf after him, ready to crucify him. He has no choice, but to do the right thing.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Paulos,
    .
    I agree with your sentiment. My point earlier was we have educated Ethiopians who forgot where we were a couple of decades ago. I see some of them in different forums dismissing what is achieved so far and go even beyond that.
    I somewhat understand the venom some of the commentators from the north and PFDJites throw in their direction. Ignorance and politics of self destruction. Eritrea never had a better sympathetic kin like TPLF and co. I myself was not comfortable in the early 90s, because it was so close. But the man in Asmara poisoned the well, as Meles said.
    .
    Now we are moving again and hope for the better future.
    What I want to say in closing is this.
    TPLF and folks in Tigray should know themselves what they have achieved and accomplished for Ethiopia is such of a historic magnitude that even if the rest of Ethiopia do not acknowledge it for political expediency, matter not. It is written in blood.
    Future generations who write and read will acknowledge it in awe as the dramatic departure point from chaos, misery and poverty.
    .
    Mr. K.H

  • Paulos

    Selam Kbur Ayay, Prof. Aman, Hailat and Semerile,

    ክልመን ኢለ ኣይኮንኩን. I am immensely humbled. Thank you. We all have something invaluable to contribute to the forum and equally our tastes and interests are different as well. If our interests and tastes were identical, life would’ve been unbearably boring. But here is something I always want to get it particularly through the younger generation: Not interested in a particular area doesn’t mean, you should limit your knowledge to a particular area only.

    We all grew up with certain prejudice where our brain in an early age was trained to put psychological blocks with in the otherwise seamless tapestry of knowledge. As such, we discriminate between the rather socially constructed division of knowledge. If one can understand say, proofs in mathematics, why can’t one understand say Ancient Philosophy or Quantum Physics? Our brain is there to process information [regardless how complex the information is—plasticity is the magic of the brain] as the heart is there to pump blood.

    That is precisely my intention when I try to talk about issues in bodies of knowledge. And of course, one doesn’t have to be supersmart to navigate, it is a matter of breaking the inbuilt prejudice and internalize the fact that knowledge is seamless. That is again my main message to the younger generation in particular. Again thank you for your kindness!

    • saay7

      Paulos:

      “You should know that knowledge is like a cow. It is horns and udder. E=mc^2 is knowledge. But it can be used to create nuclear bombs (image of 🍄 in Hiroshima) or light and energy (image of 💡.) The horn and the udder.” – ታላቁ መሪኣችን አቢይ አሕመድ

      My way of welcoming you back, using this great quote and pissing off Eyob all at once.

      saay

      • Paulos

        Thank you Sal. Yea I was laughing earlier when I read that. It has Homersque touch of course don’t mean to dis PMAA.

        • Nitricc

          Hey P; it is okay just drink densely compacted molecular water! hahahah. do you know what was funny. You and Horizon were talking about the very problem without mentioning the problem itself, interesting. I think The grand-stander, Dr. Aby should go to Asmara and ask forgiveness hahahahh.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Paulos,
      ንገሊኦምሲ ሸለል ኣዝዘሎም። Waiting for the next brain expanding session with paper and pencil on hand.

      • Paulos

        Thank you haftey. You’re the best!

  • blink

    Dear readers
    This is the message from a person who has been bashed by weyane goons in this forum and almost all weyane circles as terrorist. Read his message to his followers and the new PMA.

    should embark on chartering the transition by:

    1) Calling, facilitating and organizing a national dialogue with all stakeholders — with those political groups who live inside or outside the country.

    2) Roll back the sweeping state of emergency in not more than one month after reconstituting his cabinet.

    3) Releasing all political prisoners held in federal and state prisons throughout the country.

    4) Immediately embarking on institutional reforms with top priority within the security, military and judiciary sectors, among others.

    5) Immediately sending all the military units deployed throughout Oromia and other parts of Ethiopia to their barracks.

    6) Commissioning independent and special investigation rapporteurs into all the killings, tortures and maiming that happened in the country for the last three years. Also, allow international agencies like the UN which already requested to probe on these atrocities perpetrated on civilians by the security forces.

    7) Mobilizing resources, at the national level in Ethiopia, to support the resettlement and rehabilitation of those displaced by the Liyu police attacks from Somali region.

    8) Bringing to justice all the security, military and political authorities who are responsible for orchestrating all these atrocities.

    How many of our so called ethnic, religious and regional based opposition can say like this.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam blink,
      .
      I hope you are not talking about Ethiopia. Making demands, the NERVE.
      Are you parroting the talking points of your King or what. It didn’t take you a whole day to come up with a list.
      .
      I am going to watch you, hope and co. over the next few months to see what kind expectations you guys have and what would your disappointment looks like.
      .
      We are living in an interesting time.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Hope

        Selam KH,
        Dude,respect yourself -at least!
        Read what the Champion ,Blink,listed and debate ,refute,challenge ,counter comment and stay cool.
        He is quoting the Gallant Media Mogul,Jowhar Mohammed,who has done a Superb Job in mobilizing the Silent Majority of Ethiopia,the Oromos,for a well deserved noble cause.
        What is the problem if an Eritrean wishes the same best wishes for the oppressed People?
        Keep that old-styled obsolete chauvinism to yourself and respect Eritreans as they have respected you here in their very own homevand University!
        Eritreans “Talking about Ethiopian business”?
        Well,why R U here day and night then trashing Eritrea and Eritreans?

        U have to be very GRATEFUL to Eritreans for their welcoming hospitality here.

        Didn’t u tell us to our face that there is no such thing a Nation called Eritrea?

        Or R U mad that Blink put u on an ” Arrest Warranty” for saying what u said?

        No worries though,as your own Demeke Mekonen will be the Deputy PM …even though will remain a Puppet as usual.

  • Avater

    Dear moderator,

    I just found out my earlier comment, after absent for a long time, was marked as spam. I am not sure if it was marked by disquse’s automatic spam detecting software or by the moderator of this forum. I have changed a screen name and a few other settings with a view to resolving but to no avail. While I respect your discretion to determine, I just would like to let you know that this is not spam.

  • saay7

    Alex:

    I respect that and that is high compliment to Gedab News ❤️

    Saay

  • Paulos

    Selam Kbur/rti Moderator,

    My apologies for skipping salutation. Won’t happen again.

  • Saleh Johar

    True Alex,
    But you can’t preach that to me—aren’t you here expressing your views? And nobody called you a troll unless you are defending another troll which makes you… never mind:-)

    If one feels at ease accusing son Eritreans (blanket) that they are spies and lackeys, isn’t calling that person a troll a bit generous? Nah, you have no case my dear. Take home advise: don’t react when others are served their own medicine. Just stay away and watch.

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Esat is bigger than EBC and it is obvious some Addis Club dancers to listen to Esat and read Opride and other news organizations. It is not a secret Esat personalities are reading this forum too , they know the bashing against them by weyane goons.

  • Paulos

    Selam Hope,

    Are you kidding me? እንታይ ስራሕ ስኢነ ናይ bunch of losers ሃጠው ቀጠው ክሰምዕ ዝውዕል. It was no brainer to see that something was going on for the meeting took longer than it should have.

    • Hope

      Selam Doc:
      The ESAT and The OMN(The Minnesita based Oromo Media Network)might be a ” Bunch of Losers” but you get what u see:

      They succeeded in mobilizing the Amharas and the Oromos for the targeted and needed GOAL!
      Jowhar Mohammed will push further .

      Dr Abiy shall call for a Serious and Genuine National Reconcilation and a Blanket Amnesty Africa has never seen before and he will even involve the Ghinbot 7 and the OLF .

      Watch!
      I hope Eritrea shall follow suit!

      • Saleh Johar

        HOPE,
        Very true. Abi’s secretary told me he will o that immediately after Isaias does that. Is there a way to pass the message to Isaias, to tell him he has to do it too? Just thinking loudly

        • Paulos

          ኣያይ,

          ይገርመካ’እዩ እzoም ሰባት እዚኣቶም ኣብ ሕልሚ ዓለም እዮም ዘለው.

          • Saleh Johar

            Wrong Paulos, those who dream eventually wake up to reality. What if they are in an eternal dream like state? What are such people called again? Yeah, alive and kicking 🙁

  • Amanuel

    Hi Gedab news
    Please review the following sentence.
    “During the US House of Representatives testimony, Susan Rice, the then Secretary of State,”

  • Paulos

    Well, there you have it folks, Abiy Ph.D is the next P.M.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Paulos,

      Now everything will change ..what do you say?

      KS,

      • Paulos

        Kokhobay,

        Will see. Hard to say.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Paulos,

          At least the balance..for sure will change..

          KS,,

          • Paulos

            The meeting took longer than it should have and I suspect there was some sort of give and take negotiation between the parties for Abiy to come to power.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Paulos,

            Yes but now it is announced officially..so don’t you think horns balance will changed?

            KS,,

          • Paulos

            That I don’t know to be honest. Will wait till experts of the Horn tell us to that effect. Maybe Awate éditorial will say something.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Paulos,

            Yes for sure.. this is like chase game..

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear KS
            There is no game here , it clear weyane are the leadership in charge of the military and Ethiopia is under military administration. The Ethiopian people has to raise up and challenge this dying evils to die sooner

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Dr Abiy is gonna be pm, chief of the army(more than 83% non tplf), chief of the command post and so on. If u want me to guess his first priority will be hand over badema where it belong(eritrea) and make peace with eritrea and remove samora and so on.

          • blink

            Dear teodrose
            I think you are undermining TPLA , the guys need a protection for their money (Ethiopian money) and it’s only agazi killing machines can protect them. If aby removed the Tigrian from top security leadership, he can do possibly be a PM for good

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            There is no such thing called agazi army now .there was a small unit called agazi by stadekan time and dissolved long time ago . propaganda for uprising(it works and will work) and reality is not same.and dr Abiy and his team knows that.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            So if agazi the killing machine is not around, who is killing the Ethiopian civilians then ?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Most of the time the federal police and sometimes the the army. And sometimes even the kilil militia(amara and somali regions case).
            But it is very good to blame it on tplf since they r the one ordered the killing through pmhd and so on .and i believe that thing is about to change. And the next thing will be bringing the criminal tplf to justice.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose

            Let’s hope the guy listens to his people not to weyane thugs .How do you see the relationship between Eritrean Ethnic based opposition in Ethiopia to file for their bankruptcy file.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            There is a difference between tplfist pretending eritrea opposition and a real justice seeker. And like i said democratize ethiopia will more good for her neighbors.

          • sara

            Teodros hello
            we wish ethiopia people — peace -prosperity and unity with the advent winds of change.

          • kogne

            Hi teodros, if dr, abiy elected as PM ,what going to happen to those residue(ሐተላ) eritrean opposition those who been under woyane salary in addis and mekele, tplf admirers ,what do you think the relationship going to be ,do you think its going to be different

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kogne
            Democratize ethiopia will be good for democratization of eritrea.

          • saay7

            Paulos/Amde:

            Could you guys make sure that Hayat is not driving or operating heavy machinery when she reads this news? I don’t much care for abiy but Hayat considers him an unmitigated disaster 🙂

            also, I won another bet with Eyob but I can never collect from that guy:)

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            What if she is reassured that he will follow the party line and all the apprehension was for a naught. I still believe that something happened at the extended meeting. The odds against him to come to power were very high, as such it is difficult to see the king makers let him sneak through unless they get a solid reassurance.

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            I am sure Hayat will learn to love the good doctor.

            He has a catchy campaign tune!! Obviosuly I can’t pos a link but if you go to you tube and search for Abiy Ahmed Song you will see/hear it.

            The lyrics are in Amharic, but sooooo Oromo themed. How Oromo themed – you ask” I am glad you did.

            Amara culture is plough/grow/harvest/eat culture. Oromo cultural expressions are still so based on a nomadic lifestyle that milk and its various derivatives become strong evocative themes.

            The Abiy song is full of milk, yogurt and such.. Even Americans know that “Milk – It Does the Body Good”. Those lyrics would have never been written in Gonder or Ankober. But they are perfectly at home anywhere in the Oromo speaking universe, from the nomadic Borena original stock, to the highland farmers in Shewa or Harar.

            In all seriousness, the country has so many challenges right now, that his honeymoon may not be that long. But at least we have dodged a bullet – the sense of relief is palpable And for that I will get myself an icecream in even in the wintry cold spring..

            And get one for Hayat too, while I am at it.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Ice cream? You should see me laughing. Have Remy Martin and its on me. It is ma fav thing. That was what I had in Addis at least at Shebetta a cool place to chill.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            Well, I was staying within the dairy theme of the Abiy campaign song. 🙂

            I will save the Remy for a different occasion…

            Where is Shebetta?

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            It is on the Mekelakeya and Chechnya area.

          • Selam Amde,

            Ethiopia has made history. An oromo and a half muslim is going to reside at arat kilo palace. The last time is said to be at gonder palace, centuries ago.

            Ethiopia has many rubicons yet to cross, nevertheless, this is one of the most important. I hope it brings with it peace and stability. This is the way to make all social groups feel that ethiopia is their’s too. It’s their responsibility to see her peaceful and prospering.

            I hope that he will not be a lone traveler surrounded by wolves like pmhmd, but free enough to bring democratic changes and prosperity, and make ethiopia strong. We should be ready to support his good achievements and criticize his failures. There should be no free ride.

            Let us hope the past will stop haunting ethiopian politics and the era of ‘ታላቁ መርያቺን’ has ended, and each new head of state adds a new building block to the edifice of the new ethiopia, ethiopians are trying to build. They should not waste their time on cult worshiping, dead or alive.

            We wish him all the success in the world.

          • Amde

            Hi Horizon,

            Yes it is a very promising start for a change. I guess we will see how the security establishment accepts it or not. If the transition over the next few weeks go well, then these past two weeks have the potential of being remembered as a truly revolutionary watershed in the country’s history.

            This will provide fodder for both camps, i.e. the “He is a charlatan” and “He is a smooth politician” camps, but below is a testimonial posted on the Facebook page of “TechTalk with Solomon”. Cringe or marvel at your own discretion haha.. but I think Eyob is right – we are in for a reign of terrible quotes, misquotes, inappropriate quotes etc etc,,,….

            “I was punctual and arrived at his office 15 min early. I was not sure what kind of person to expect – his secretary prompted me to his office door. I guess I anticipated an older individual, but I was warmly greeted by such a young and charismatic gentleman. What has struck me the most was his poise, humbleness, friendliness, contentment, and calm personality. Not long after few minutes into our conversation, learned how a man of faith he was! We talked theology, faith, intelligent design, God, creation, the universe, big bang and all 🙂 He gave me his kind words and encouraged me on the things I do to promote science and tech through my TV show on EBS. After our icebreaker conversation, I presented my book to him. His response was heartwarming and very encouraging. I was not shy to ask his feedback and comment on my entire draft manuscript. His response was immediate – “I have a tight schedule, but I will review your book in its entirety if you give me some time.” I was beyond happy! After my return to the US, I took an immediate action by sending him few chapters of my book. Little by little, he reviewed the entire manuscript (23 chapters with more than 350 pages) and gave me his generous comment and great feedback! ”

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            That is actually impressive. No snark here. Anybody who loves books and takes the time to review somebody’s (no doubt) terrible manuscript is a patient man and a mentor.

            When I was binging on him when his name became public, I saw a speech he gave at some bookworms convention and he said “a book is a like a good friend which accepts your whining without complaints.” What’s that Eyob? Well of course that makes no sense but the listeners ate it up. As Chevy Chase used to say on Saturday Night Alive, “good evening, I am Chevy Chase and you are not.” Good evening Eyob: he is the prime minister and you are not 😂

            (Check out my tweet. You will feel better.)

            saay

          • Selam Amde,

            No one can throw a bone to a lion and try to retrieve it without a big commotion and severe bruises to everybody. Power has come to the opdo field, and it is up to it to play the game right. Nobody can really own the army and the security 100%, in the ethnically federated ethiopia, without causing a big problem for itself.

            In addition, it is impossible to say that those who demeaned and demonized him for no reason at all will stop overnight. Nevertheless, i think that he has enough support to ride the waves, unless he commits a grave mistake himself.

            I believe that he is clever enough not to be used by anybody that might have ulterior motives. I wish he goes to mekelle and address the crowd in tigrinya to appease the people of tigray, to tell them that they remain free and secure without complete power in the hands of tplf, (which in actual fact used them for its own purpose), and they have nothing to worry about. They are ethiopians who have the right to live and prosper anywhere in ethiopia.

            The fact that he is an experienced young person, who has been near power, is an advantage that will help him move safely through the labyrinth of politics.

          • Amde

            Hi Horizon,

            “I wish he goes to mekelle and address the crowd in tigrinya to appease the people of tigray, to tell them that they remain free and secure without complete power in the hands of tplf, (which in actual fact used them for its own purpose), and they have nothing to worry about. They are ethiopians who have the right to live and prosper anywhere in ethiopia.”

            That is excellent advice. I surely hope he does that. He is said to be fluent in Tigrinya. Even if his Tigrinya eloquence is half of his Amharic one, he will be fine. Tigrayans in general are in a bad spot right now, and they need a calming voice.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde, Horizon, Paulos,

            If you screen the facebook pages of tplf cadres and other tigrayans with significant followers and comments posted there, you can feel that there is some anxiousness. So, some reassurance to them seems much needed.

            But, more importantly, he needs to reassure the Ethiopian Somalis. He is oromo and the movement that brought him to power is that oromos. Also, eth-Somalis are not part of epdrf. Given the recent deadly conflict between oromos and eth-Somalis, I would say he has even bigger and far more treacherous task of reassuring the eth-Somalis.

            best luck to him and Ethiopia.

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam halafi mengedi,

            Good point…. actually excellent perspective. It is probably more of an Abdi Illey problem than a Somali problem, but it definitely should be at the very top of the agenda.

            Funnily enough, I found that Somali online commentators have a more realistic view of their role in Ethiopian politics. Many of them are confident that the political system CAN provide them the power of leverage within coalition forming. It was more re-assured than those from the frantic TPLF fans.

            Actually, perhaps spurred on Horizon’s repeated allusion to the white smoke after the Vatican conclave (“Habemus Papam!!), these cardinals of the EPRDF could perhaps expand on their experiences and start seeing themselves and their process something akin to the US Senate.

            We do have an upper house in the constitutional system in theory, but I think its powers should be expanded. At least in the US, institutional minority protection is based in the Senate. I would love to see the TPLF, SPDP and other parties work to push so that,
            A) they see their protection within the constitutional parliamentary process than within intra and inter party intrigues,
            B) true proportional representation is implemented,
            C) the upper house (House of Federation) becomes co-equal.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            This comment I made a couple of weeks ago seems to have aged very well.

            —-
            But, more importantly, he needs to reassure the Ethiopian Somalis. He is oromo and the movement that brought him to power is that oromos. Also, eth-Somalis are not part of epdrf. Given the recent deadly conflict between oromos and eth-Somalis, I would say he has even bigger and far more treacherous task of reassuring the eth-Somalis.

            Good start PM-AAA.

            hm

          • Amde

            Hi halafi mengedi,

            And it is one of the reasons I am keeping an eye on you. 🙂

            Yes so far he is doing well. And so is Lemma. His speech at Jijiga hit all the right spots.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            Man, you are completely out of touch. So you are saying that he needs to go to Tigray and reassure the people of Tigray as if he is a foreign power? That is really funny! The fall of TPLF is the demise of OPDO too and he is smart enough to know that and that is precisely the reason it is stupid, stupid and stupid to even allude as if the Tigreans are in some sort of danger which actually is far far from it.

          • Selam Paulos,

            Yes, i am not mr. know-it-all, and if i am allowed to have my opinion, any group who had been in power will feel uneasy when it loses power, and unfortunately, power was used as a means of coercion in our case. Don’t try to tell me that tigrayans who have businesses in other regions of ethiopia will not worry when they see that tplf is no more the master of the game. We saw that few months ago.

            It is really funny when you say that the fall of tplf means the demise of opdo too, when we know very well that one of the reasons that made tplf not to react aggressively is the fact that it is afraid of an opdo-andm front against it. Stupidity lies in not knowing one’s abilities and limits, and that had always been an habesha problem.

            Going to mekelle and speaking to the people in their language means he is one of them. When the italians came to eritrea, they did not speak tigrinya, it is the people who learnt italian. Dr. Abiy will only be showing his respect to the people of tigray, and nothing else, if you can understand.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            Italian did not come to Eritrea to learn Tigrinya as the same the Ethiopians.why do you leave yourself? When the Ethiopians come to Eritrea , they have two things,
            1. A rope to hung the youth
            2. A gun to put bullets on to the pregnant woman and old man .
            We have the mark on our body that transcription and copy process goes directly to the next generation.

            We all can only hope for better by ourselves not by someone from somewhere.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            What’s wrong with knowing it all? Really. I aspire to know it all till my last breath but that is not possible for a reason I could go on explaining but a downer dude will say, here we have “Mr. know it all.” That is precisely the reason I often times say what the heck am I doing in this forum. I don’t know you and you don’t know me but I am always eager to share what I know and learn from others as well not to show off anything to no body. What is the point of showing off if we don’t know each other? To be frank, every time I log on to the forum, I feel like I am in a classroom and that is the reason I get carried away to share my rather limited knowledge with every one. But obviously, I have been wrong. Am out!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            ከምቲ አቦታትና ዝብልዎ “ዕርፊ አጽንዕ”, Keep to hold the truth persistently, when you are on the side of it. You can’t walk away when we are on face them all.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            I am in class, waiting. Good teachers do their job, do your job and never be late let alone absent.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            Out of all the quarries you dig everywhere, you frequently come with nuggets of gold, so please stay.

          • iSem

            Hi Paulo:
            well, Horizon misspoke, if the know it came from Nitricc, Semere Tesfai, or borderline PFDJ supporters Hope and blink and peace, i would understand, because in the PFDJ land it is “harram’ to be knowledgeable , “aytigerem do not be do not fascinated. If PFDJ ruled England Isaac Newtons’s time, he will be told not t be fascinated by the apple falling down instead of up. Said differently horizon wittingly or unwittingly channeled PFDJ
            No snapping, you are cool

          • blink

            Dear isem
            Come on what’s wrong with you ? The guy is good at googling and looking for white man quote , why all this bad attitudes about me , I am nice person, my crime is only that I care about Eritrea and Eritreans all together. I don’t degrade 50% of Eritreans nor do I make lies knowingly and if I do make mistakes I say sorry. By the way the guy was bragging too much about his dance moves in Addis .

          • Nitricc

            Hi Blink, let me break it for you. Semere doesn’t give a flying hoot about Eritrea or the people of Eritrea. He is one of the many people who are clearing their throat to declare the Agazi bull crap, trust me. So, if you want him to like you, just join the Agazi and say good thing about them. You see, know you know. You welcome; Shigir-yeley as Semere would say.

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            Well, the agazians , ahmm ,we can ship them to Mekele if they wanted to live with the Tigrians and there is nothing wrong with that . Oh I forgot there is no sea in between, well,,, we can actually use 5 buses and call Eyob to facilitate the transport. And we can apply the same to the beja on their way to Sudan . After that we can have a healthy debate about Eritreanns future.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam blink,
            The truth is thanks to google you and I are able to follow the discussion Paulos leads.

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            My bad that I don’t like crooks and goons ,what can I say . Some people like crooks and some people hate crooks and it happens to be we have many on the bad side. Nothing that bothers me about What happens in Addis disco dance floor.

          • iSem

            Dear Blink:
            No, I can tell when it is googling or real well-read. Paul has a bent for and has curiosity
            No, you do not care about Eri, u may be a nice guy, fun to have coffee or beer or shoot the breeze, but you do not care about Eri people, u may think you care.
            a guy or a gal who cares about Eri would see the haunting image women carrying water on their backs on the tough terrain would not entertain about the fake lowland/highland, Tigre/Tigrinya ethnicity Fine, some one asked you, but you bought it.
            Let me give you iSem’s theorem , a none white dude who cares about Eritrean people: the suffering of Eritrean women is ሃገር-ልኸ
            if you are at a lose of ሃገር-ልኸ, be nice to Sal, he will help you with it

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            I remember these funny stuff. I think the joke started when Seyoum Harestai [RIP] said something to that effect in one of his interviews.

            ዓለም-ለኸ ኣህጉራዊ-ለኸ ሃገር-ለኸ ገዛ-ለኸ መደቀሲ-ለኸ ክሽነ-ለኸ ሽቓቕ-ለኸ

          • iSem

            Hi Paul:
            You see, you did not google it? But help me with this paulo, how come the late Seyoum did not translate ዓለም-ለኸ ኣህጉራዊ-ለኸ ሃገር-ለኸ ገዛ-ለኸ መደቀሲ-ለኸ ክሽነ-ለኸ ሽቓቕ-ለኸ to lowland lanaguage. I am not asking this, my friend wondered about it and I am just asking you

          • Paulos

            You see Semerile ሓወይ,

            Seyoum ለባም ከምዚ ከማኻ እዩ ኔሩ. He clearly understood the fact that it may sound patronizing to them when they are squarely capable of doing it themselves.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            you have been tripped by wicked iSem😄 There is nothing funny about ዓለም-ለኸ: it is standard Jebha Abbai Tigrinya for world-wide. And when ELF-RC was having a meeting where all its European delegation came, it was ኢሮፓ-ለኸ. But, ወሪዱኒ ጓል ቀሺ , ELF-experts like Emma, Kokob and SGJ can elucidate.

            Now, what is funny is when Shabait writes: “______ was celebrated in Gindae at the national level.” I don’t know if it means that Gindae represents the nation or, more likely, there were other celebrations in other places but those were at the zobawi, neus-zobawi level. And, oh, PFDJ also loves (loves, loves) “all round.”

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear saay7.

            Nice, that was nice of you..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay & Dr. Paulos,

            Back to the vocabulary: Here are the ELFites translation for the two distinct English words.

            Worldwide = ዓለም-ለኸ
            International = ኣህግራዊ

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,,

            ቆብ ኣቢልካዮ !!!!

            KS,,

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            The three people whose untimely death that shocked me the most [I found out online] are: Seyoum Harestai, Meles and Ararat Iyob. I never had the honor of meeting Seyoum in person but I listened to his otherwise powerful and eloquent speeches where it was for everyone to see the making of an extraordinary leader in him. Particularly his assertive and commanding Tigrinya was amazing. But we haven’t been lucky for a reason beyond human compression, he was taken away in such a relatively young age. May his soul rest in peace!

            Thank you for the English equivalents.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Yes I agree the three individuals are very gifted communicators, and their untimely death have shocked their respective communities and their acquaintances. Fortunately I met all three in different occasions, one in the struggle, one in Washington DC, and the other in Addis. May their soul Rest In Peace.

            Regards

          • Amde

            Hi Gash Emma,

            So since I can’t sleep, let me poke my nose where it dont belong.

            Does አህጉር mean “Continent ” in Tigrinya as it is used in Amharic? Or just an undefined plural of ሀገር?

            Technically, two countries can form an International relationship. Such as Wakanda and Eritrea. But they would hardly be called Continental.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            In Tigrigna “continent” is “ክፍሊ-ዓለም” and “continents” is “ክፍሊ-ዓለማት”. This is what I have learned in my elementary school. When I was in ELF, I was in the curriculum committee for sometime and we had used the same in the education system of the organization. If there is any change in the educational system of Eritrea, I am not aware.

            Regard

          • blink

            Dear Isem
            I am always nice to sal and I have never crossed him . You know for a fact I adore this lazy brilliant guy and I don’t really know why you have to pull sal here. I personally see no difference between papi and Paulos.

            Now ,do I care for Eritreans, yes more than what you think. I will not be dragged to bragging game about what you did for Eritrea and what I did to Eritrea .

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam blink,

            Surprisingly, those who say “I am a nice person” usually are nice people. For some reason bad people find it difficult to even say the words “I am a nice person.” So, forward, nice person!

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            “Surprisingly, those who say “I am a nice person” usually are nice people. ”

            Is this true? You have made me start going through the catalog of people I know. Nice? Not so nice?

            Actually, it has made me realize we have no Amharic word for nice. Nice basically means non threatening/empathetic I think. That might communicate weakness in a culture where the words ፍርሀት or ጌታ are conjugated every which way and affixed as names.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Amde,

            Haha! No scientific data I can refer to, but I just made a quick review of my life and I couldn’t recall to have ever hearing it from any mean person.

            ምን ነካቸው መምህሩ
            “የዋህ” ከመ እርግብ ነበሩ
            “ኣመለወርቅ” የተከበሩ
            “ጥሩ” የለም ኣሉ ባገሩ፤፤

          • Saleh Johar

            Correction Horizon,
            When the Italians came to Eritrea, they brought interpreters who spoke Arabic. Even the Portuguese delegation (father Alvarez’s group) had an Arabic interpreter. Surprised 🙂

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            “I wish he (Abiy Ahmed) goes to mekelle and address the crowd in tigrinya to appease the people of tigray, to tell them that they remain free and secure without complete power in the hands of tplf, (which in actual fact used them for its own purpose), and they have nothing to worry about. They are ethiopians who have the right to live and prosper anywhere in ethiopia.”

            Why would he need “to go to Mekelle”? “Why would he need to appease the people of Tigray”?

            WHAT MAKES TODAY DIFFERENT THAN YESTERDAY?

            Today, exactly like yesterday, the Woyanes are running the country by their PMHD 2.0. Change is yet to come!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere Tesfai,

            C’mon on, you know very well that things are not going to remain the same.

            Because some tplf officials enriched themselves illegally, some ethiopians have the notion that tigreans as a whole are beneficiaries of the tplf/woyane system of government, which is not true. The same was said about amharas when their elites were in power. This was the reason few months ago tigrean businesses and properties were targeted in amhara and oromia, and some tigreans were forced to leave.

            PMHMD was groomed by MZ, he was alone and surrounded by tplf, and could have not functioned outside their wish. I think that that was the main reason he resigned, because they did not allow him to deliver on democracy and human rights as he would have liked. His resignation put tplf at a crossroad. They could not function anymore from behind, because he was not ready to do their bidding, i.e. to crush the uprising by force as they would have liked, and then dump all the crime on him. Then, it would have been business as usual for tplf.

            If Dr. Abiy Ahmed is going to be pmhmd no.2 or not, which i doubt he will be, we can talk about it after his first 100 days in office. I expect more prisoners are going to come out of prison, political parties will be more free to function legally, dissent will not be an anathema, and he may do something about the infamous anti-terrorism law.

            Well, anybody can interpret his actions as pro-tplf or whatever, according to his/her political stand, but that does not mean that it is the whole truth.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            The selection of Dr. Abiy Ahmed is not going to solve anything. And these are the reasons:

            1. – Today, Dr. Abiy Ahmed is where he is simply because – over the years he has earned the trust of the Woyanes. Meaning either he is corrupt/corruptible, opportunist, useful idiot or very submissive. Either way he is doomed to fail. If he was his own man (assertive) he would have been somewhere in a prison cell today.

            2. – Ethiopians are demonstrating on the streets with a clear demand. And their demand is not to reform Woyane rule. They are demanding to end Woyane rule as we know it. And today, Dr. Abiy is NOT nominated as a prime minister to end Woyane rule. He is nominated with the FULL BLESSING of his Woyane bosses.

            3. – Ethiopians don’t want the military establishment, the security system, the prison system, the court system, the national media, the communication system, the economy of the country – to remain under full control of the Woyanes. And the Woyanes are not going to allow Dr. Abby to deny them these privileges.

            4. – The Ethiopian people are demanding fundamental change, the Ethiopian people are sick and tired of ethnic warlords, the Ethiopian people are demanding to have a prime minister would serve to all Ethiopians – and they deserve one.

            5. – If Ethiopians are not happy with Tigrean ethnic domination, why would they be happy with Oromo ethnic domination?

            6. – You can’t have ethnic based political parties – in which each ethnic Killil (region) political party is determined to fight for the narrow interest of its ethnic constituents – and expect the leaders who are nominated from these ethnic political parties, to wake-up and gover as genuine nationalists the minute they get to the helm. It’s not going to happen!!

            The point there is one clear solution for the current problem in Ethiopia. (a) Woyane’s political dominance must end (b) EPRDF must compete for power with other NATIONAL political parties in a free and fair election.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere Tesfai,

            When one talks of the end of woyane domination, it must be done gradually by trimming its extended power until it comes to its normal size. If it is done violently, it will end up in chaos, and at the end we are going to get another dictatorship in the best case scenario, if not complete disintegration of the country. The coming years will show us the gradual loss of control of the military and security by tplf, and these institutions will be under the common supervision of the eprdf, and not by one single ethnic party. This will avert the possibility of one ethnic party domination in the future.

            EPRDF as a coalition of diverse ethnic parties is a necessary evil that is going to stay with us until narrow tribalism and ethnicism is defeated by natural political evolution towards, for e.g., class politics. You know the history of the country very well and you can understand why and how it came to where it is today, ethnic federalism. It was a solution of necessity, although other reasons also exist, and therefore, it is extremely difficult for ethiopia to detach herself from this arrangement at this stage. It will be opening a pandora’s box. In addition, eprdf should continue to exist as it is or disintegrate, because i think that there is no other formula for it.

            If the new government is going to function solely as one ethnic party and not as a national government, we will draw our conclusion from the new government that comes to power when it rules. Tplf acted more or less as an ethnic military dictatorship, because it ascended to power by force, and we cannot say that it was a good example of a normal ethnic party.

            Tplf is forced to let somebody else rule the country, because it knew that otherwise it should confront the whole nation with disastrous consequences. It is not a matter of goodwill on its part that Dr. Abiy became the new pm.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            It is a landmark leap forward. The new PM may or may not be a good one, we have to give him time to navigate and show leadership. What impressed me was the process EPRDF followed calmly to produce the result. The next is on him.
            .
            I hope they have a formal inauguration where PMHD making a speech and congratulating PMAA and wishing him well. It is important the Military brass be there in addition to all party functionaries. Instruction has to go out for everyone to smile and be happy. You are on candid camera.
            .
            It is particularly important the TPLF leadership smile and usher in the new administration. They are still 1/4 part of it.
            .
            In my humble opinion, TPLF in particular and sons and daughters of Tigray are responsible for this occasion. Their sacrifice was heavy. The debt can never be paid. I am still grateful to them for saving Ethiopia from a sure disintegration in 1991. They lead to this point in time.
            Even if no one says it, I say thank you and I am grateful to you for what is achieved so far. May Meles be blessed forever for his vision.
            .
            The only thing that is bothering me now here at Awate is Hope, blink and Nitricc seem to be happy and optimistic with me. Hayat and Fanti are not. That picture is nagging at me. As saay likes to say Time will tell.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            The best friends ethiopia could have are those who are happy in her happiness, and not those who pity here during her misfortune. The majority of ethiopians and friends of ethiopia are satisfied that power has gone to opdo, not for any other reason, but at least in the short term, it will satisfy those who are disappointed by the absence of democracy and human rights under the authoritarian tplf. Of course, time is the judge.

            The character assassination is going on in full gear, and now on top of being called a con man and a charlatan, he has been given the title of a “national shame”. What a shame really for those who try to shame him in this despicable way. It seems that they had put their bet on tplf to rule ethiopia forever for their ulterior motives, and i think that their hope is crushed by the election of an opdo man.

            No problem is without its silver lining, and so is tplf. It has done good and bad things as well, for and against the interest of ethiopia, and history will judge it for that. Nevertheless, it should not think like the eplf(pfdj) that the country and political and economic power belong to it forever uncontested. That is a grave mistake that could be gravely paid by all.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Horizon,

            Again Ethiopia has passed the test that has proved she is moving towards a full blown democratic establishments. How he has come to this stage is the most important than who has come? Congratulations to all the peoples of Ethiopia. The more you taste the outcome of democratic establishment, the more you will cling to it.

            Al-Arabi

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hameed Al-Arabi,
            .
            YOU TOO AL-ARABIA… What is going on. If Ali Salim comes in with joy, I have to take time off to reconsider everything.
            The cosmos is shifting. The only logic I am hanging on is all this shifting alignments for the most part is based on emotions like HATE and wrong assumptions.
            .
            Time will tell.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Kim Hanna,

            I love the people of Tigrai, they have played a big role to make Ethiopia reach her present stage of progress in all fields of life. The people of Tigrai will fail only when they quit to play their positive role for the well being of the Ethiopian peoples. Abie Ahmed is not the first and the last Ethiopian PM.

            Al-Arabi

          • Beyan

            Dear Mr. K.H.,

            If it eases the nagging a little in not having the company of Hayat and Fanti this time, it may help for you to know there are those of us who are thoroughly pleased to see the peaceful transition of power. So, please add me on the list of the pleased along the Horizons and the Amdes sentiment and yours. A lot of times the personal gets in the way of seeing matters for what they are. Tigrayans through TPLF sacrificed a great deal for Ethiopia, they deserve the lucid accolade you attributed for the way they handled the nation-state project when they came to power in Ethiopia in 1991.

            The nation-state project continues. There will indeed be challenges as Amde rightly noted. But, one has to also consider the enviable position that Ethiopia as a nation is in. She is moving forward, sometimes she limps, at other times she stumbles, but moving onward and forward she has been, thanks to its dynamic history and sense of nationhood that goes eons back. Horizon captured that weight of history of exclusion being nipped in the bud when he said this: “Ethiopia has made history. An oromo and a half muslim is going to reside at arat kilo palace. The last time is said to be at gonder palace, centuries ago.”

            Finally, Ethiopia may have just moved past its mindset of seeing Ethiopian Muslims as በኢትዮጵያ ለሚኖሩ እስላሞች. Much as Michelle Obama had said in February of ’08 while her husband was running for presidency in which she stated that “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback”. Later that year, hope did indeed usher in the US. Later that November her husband made history who ended up leading the most powerful nation on earth for two terms.

            Ethiopia’s historical milestone one should see it in that light. There is some modicum of hope, some bright light in an otherwise dim part of the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia is shining that hopeful light on it. It’s my ardent hope that all Ethiopians see this son of Oromo-land leading the nation as a win-win for Ethiopia as a country. Congratulations Ethiopia.!!!ኢትዮጵያ indeed ትቅደም as I hope to see the same for Eritrea soon.

            Beyan

          • Amde

            Selam Mr. KH,

            What happened is much better understood as a victory of Team Lemma, of which Abiy is an obviously incredibly important component. I feel you would get a better sense of the Dr. Abiy administration from listening to Lemma’s speeches and actions in Oromia. So whether people like them or not, we will be getting more of them and on a national scale going forward.

            For months now, Lemma and Abiy had been frequent lunch guests with PM Hailemariam. To review party and national issues for sure, or maybe, to discuss theology .. haha — it turns out all three are protestants. Another clue that tells you this decision was pretty much made quite early in the year, and Hailemariam was quite ready and eager to pass the baton.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Kim
            You know Fanti is as always a positive person and I am sure he is optimistic about the next leader of Ethiopia. And I am sure Eritreans views in this issue do not matter really. I mean I personally would like to see the Dam complete and done with it sooner and light it on. I personally would like to see Sibhat nega to be in Tigray and eat Tihlo until he dies. The Oromo people as diverse as they are and the Amhara people as diverse as they are will not find any reasonable way to learn from TPLF and do the same thing. So let’s the raid begins now. I am happy to see the security apparatuses of Ethiopian people to stay in barracks and that’s all.

            You never know if I am a direct beneficial from this , do you ?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Mr. Kim Hanna,

            It cannot be said any better!

            Some may not see the real victory of this important moment in our history, but this is a TPLF/EPRDF legacy as well as a victory for all Ethiopians.

            For the record, I am extremely optimistic about our future. In the minimum we have made triple history we should all cherish.

            PMAA has a monumental task in front of him, but EPRDF has come out stronger and more united in purpose than many realize and he will continue the march forward for democratic Ethiopia.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            Well said. The Ethiopian Democratic process is evolving from time to time. Hope to continue with the economic development so far you attained. Good luck guys, you are always in the right direction.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            As far as EPRDF remains intact as a “front-party” the “vision” of the “visionary man” will continue. They have seen the fruits of his vision. Five monumental historical steps were taken under his vision (a) the creation of federal system that allows power to devolve to the periphery to govern themselves and to address ethnic grievances (b) his vision for “democracy and developmental state” for economic transformation (c) his bold commitment to the Grand Renaissance Dam than any leader before him (d) for staunchly fighting to remain OU in Ethiopia when some African countries tried to move it to South Africa (e) for making Ethiopia a formidable military power beyond the region to the extent of exporting tanks, Migs, and helicopters to African countries. A man with all this resume will be remember in the heart and mind of Ethiopian people when the dusts of politics settled in the near future. If Ethiopia deviated from his vision, we will see all signs of retrogression. I have no doubt they will be better of with his vision. RIP.

            Regard

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Sir,

            And who will come like the late visionary man PMZ?

            But if the EPRDF work after his vision the development will be always under Ethiopian,,,,, and nothing will convince us to be honest,,

            KS,,

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            It was an ouch moment. I would even say, it is a national shame! Ethiopia’s problems and aspirations deserved better minds than those of con men. But who am I!? I need to consult with Canadians who hated Trump and how they are surviving his time.
            Amde, pass me my ice cream!

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Hayat Adem,

            Take ten tube that may work to cool you down.

            Hameed Al-Arabi

          • sara

            hello… Al-Arabi
            you were long missed, welcome back!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Hameed Al-Arabi.

            Welcome …..

            KS,

          • Amde

            Hi Your Majesty,

            But of course m’lady. Just say the flavor.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Hayat Adem
            Respect for ur attitude. I think u r one of the insider and knows what is going on there.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Teodros Alem,

            You don’t have to be inside to know what is going on inside at this advanced era..It depends if you are interested or not ..

            am I right? I think so..

            Regards,

            KS,,

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Kokhob
            1st i respect her principled behavior. I see she is not someone drive by emotions. 2nd she knows what is she doing which is tplf tahedesu of changing the narration of u know.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hayatvand all,

            I just want to quickly comment on the PM elect Dr. Abiy.

            I think it’s a welcome news regardless of his vision or qualification might be.

            No single person, no matter how visionary will be able to make significant change without full participation of the people.

            The significance in my opinion, Ethiopians are able to transition power and they still have the country in one piece.

            One the people are used to this, every election or change of government becomes better and better, and eventually they will get there.

            I wish all the best and may this bring peace and prosperity for the people.

            As being Canadian and Trump era, there is a lot of talk with his economic plan, tarif, cancelling free trade but so far nothing significant that we can’t leave without.

            The economy is so intertwined that there is not much he can do about.

            Today for example, the Ontario government (largest province population wise) tabled a budget. The announced, free pharma care for all under 24, 80% for anyone who doesn’t have coverage, free tuition for family income less that 50K (tuition is nothing like the US), some subsidy for dental care, other for elderly care etc, and a plan fir subsidized day care (10 dollars per day) for everyone. It’s like going to opposite direction. And honestly we are enjoying the show actually:).

            I know my fried iSem is not happy, because his tax is going up 🙂

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            No taxes are the price for civilization.
            But Do not count on the recent changes by Ontario, they conservatives will erase everything. Liberals had 15years, now they ar doing it all these good stuff to grab votes.
            Also they are doing even more stupid things opening 3 more universities. This is stupid i because the demography does not support it, in the next o years the college/uni age is see 15 to 20 reduction and th northern colleges and universities in Ont will be in trouble but they are opening 3 universities in around Tor, where demo will grow but not to offset the reduction province wide . Leakehead Nipissing and many northern college will be in trouble. The location will be Bramton, Milton and some where around Senneca. These areas will see demo growth, but those in Brampton can go to Hamilton and UtM. Liberals are in trouble so do not hold your breath the cons are here

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            I don’t want to turn this into Ontario election debate:).

            You know those ivy type of university are focusing on the foreign students because they can charge 5 times the average cost and the locals are left out.

            Regardless who is in power, my principle is, governments have to build things to make the lives of their citizens better. Cost within reason should not be a factor in countries like Canada where millions of people who want to make it home. You know more than me in the education side, so I can’t say much if it’s good investment or not. But I have faith that, they have done enough study to justify it. Institutions such as schools, hospitals, infrastructure will always have a lasting advabtage when factored in increasing costs. You are too young to remember the conservative government come in and closed schools, hospitals and laid of thousands and thousands of public servants including nurses and teachers, where it took 20 years to recover (still shortage of health care prividers where they left south).

            Not building because of cost reminds me you know who…,27 years nothing to show for….now imagine the opportunity cost …

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Most probably the reason why the meeting took longer because of tplf don’t want dr Abiy and team lemma fight back and won.

    • Patriot

      Selam Paulos. Once, on a very hot and humid August dog-day, I passed through a small town in rural Mississippi (lost on a road trip from New Orleans to Atlanta). Extremely thirsty, I went into what appeared to be the towns’ only bar for a cold brew. While sitting and enjoying my drink, I seen a business card pinned on a bulletin board. At the top of the business card it read ‘Certified Phd’ and in the finer print underneath it read ‘Certified Posthole Digger’. I have higher expectations for Dr. Abiy Ahmed Ali.

      • Paulos

        Selam Patriot,

        Welcome to the only Ivy League school in Eritrea—Awate U. The pantheon if you will is a curious mix of artists as in writers par excellence, philosophers, thinkers, political scientists, polemicists, mathematicians, cerified accountants, poets, engeeners, physicians, architects and a couple of looneys too [not of course the Canadian dollar]. If something was amiss with in the mix, it was you. And again, welcome.

        What you saw at the replica of universal studio where they shoot spaghetti western scene is classic where Ph.D lost its Renaissance caliber and reduced into a paper mill when the acronym stands for “Paper Heads” instead.

        Abeyi, we are told is a Ph.D but not sure what that even mean when his advanced degree is in IT. In research and particularly in statistics, we use the term validity to see if a particular tool is fit to measure a certain parameter. For instance, one can not use a stethoscope to examine eye-sight. One wonders, if Abiy’s advanced degree in IT is valid for statesmanship. One wonders.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Paulos,
          His PhD is from Peace and Security Studies in Addis Ababa University. Good enough?

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            Oh I didn’t know that to be honest. I thought it was in IT. I stand corrected. Thank you.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            In addition to his Ms. in IT, he also has another advanced degree in Transformational Change and Leadership. He is a true believer in education and reading books. In short, your kind of guy. 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            That is indeed very impressive CV. A leader sure thing ought to have a sense of history where precedence matters most and that is precisely the reason most Western leaders have academic background either in law, history or polisci. And those outside of those realms happened to be well read in those areas where the late Meles comes to mind. The signs in PMAA already seem promising including his love for books. Wish him well and all the best!

        • saay7

          Paulos:

          For what it’s worth, Abiyes credentials are truly impressive: two masters degrees and a Ph.D. Not just the degrees but what he majored in and the institutions he attended are praiseworthy.

          I realize some are not impressed by degrees but it shows a commitment to education and the stamina required to see it through.

          Speaking of people who are not impressed by PhDs I saw this yesterday:

          ዶር አብይ አህመድ is introduced as “በኢትዮፕያ ታሪክ የመጀመርያው ዶክተር መሪ!”

          To which Mengistu Hailemariam replies:

          “ወረቀቱ የለንም እንጂ በአገራችን ሁላችንም ፕሮፌሰሮች ነን”

          😂

          Saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Certainly I am not undermining his stellar academic achievement but there seems to be a culture of handing over a license of the truth to anyone with an advanced degree where what ever the person says is taken for a sign of competence. For instance, if you are a Physician and if you say something which is full of BS about something that is not related to medicine, people take it as a fact simply because you are a Physician or a Ph.D for that matter.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,
            Imagine how many military men are with PHDs, MA/Ms, BA/BS in Ethiopia as oppose to ours. EPRDF values education to a great extent, and credit to MZ who told them to do it after they enter to the city. In the contrary our despot has closed to the only University we have. ጉዳዩ ይገርመናሎ ዘብል’ዩ ናህና ነገር::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Amanuel,

            How, can we expect development from those mafia leaders of Eritrea?

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            I forget his name but a former PFDJ prison guard was interviewed by Paltalk and this is what he said:

            During the Derg era, a prisoner who came with elementary-level education would leave with a college degree;

            During the PFDJ reign, a prisoner who came in with a college degree would leave prison so broken he would be the equivalent of an illiterate.

            The system is notoriously anti-liberal education or anything that gets people to think critically.

            saay

          • iSem

            HI Emma and Sal:
            Not only that the system is anti education but also the education they provide is geared towards the technical, not that there is something wrong with that:-) but the point is they abhor, abhor, abhor the thought, so much so that they hold law, polsci to a lower degree and they love technicians , who do things with their hands and that explains their opposition with colleges and shunning the idea of the university.

          • Haile S.

            Selam iSem,

            Ecactly. If I may add; the problem with the eritrean leadership is that deliberately and/or due lack competency, they are still in the Ghedli mentality. Everyone need to be recruited for Ghedli and need to join his ክፍሊ, with his ነጸላ. The package someone brings with himself belong to Ghedli, exactly like before 1991. The ‘university’ need to be aligned to Ghedli’s thoughts. Ghedli was totaly ብጽፍርና though plenty of individuals, groups, NGOs or governments directly or indirectly helped. Now, it is the same ብጽፍርና. They want to re-invent the wheel and the worst is they believe in it.
            It is not that they don’t educate people, but they don’t create the environment where the educated can exercise their education. For this reason, rare are those that teturn to serve. Those that do have to run under the boot of the leadership. The leadership doesn’t understand this when told because they are stuck in the Ghedli comfort zone or they deliberately do not want to come out of it. Look Adulis is being dug by Italiens exactly like Peribeni (?) did around 1900. Where are the eritream archeologists? Somewhere with us spread all over.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            If the educated section of Eritreans are scattered all over the world. What good is good to say we have them, if their education does not serve to our nation?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            I am just stating. I am not bragging about the presence of educated eritreans everywhere.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Hailat,

            No, you are not bragging actually. You are telling the fact, that many professional Eritreans are working in their adapting countries, because the regime does not want intellectuals to work around him nor does he allow them to work in the private sectors to change the quality of life of their citizens. What I was actually saying is, the nation can’t say we have educated Eritreans when the educated are pushed to leave the country. Case in point, When Issayas closed the only University, UoA, he told to the teachers they could apply anywhere and his government will issue exit visa to them. That was the point I was trying to make.

            Regards

          • Beyan

            Selam All,

            On the theme of education, it’s being discussed from myriad of angles. You know how it is said that there are more Ethiopian doctors in DC area than in the entire of Ethiopia. Well there is a good chance if the educated PM makes it one of his priority in finding a way of reversing the brain drain that the Continent of Africa faces in general and in Ethiopia’s case in particular. Again, it is said that young Ethiopians finish their education for free in their country and end up migrating to the West to earn decent living. Of course, if political environment is not conducive the educated lot are one of the first ones to leave the scene because they simply have the means to do so.

            Now, if Ethiopia makes it conducive for those who are established in the West to go back home. Not only for Ethiopians, but Eritreans included would be tempted to go back and contribute to the building of the nation. Imagine what a marvel that would be. All of the educated lot that Haile S., you were mentioning and those who are in the sunset phase of their lives could conceivably put their knowledge to good use. This is at instinctual level, by helping a nation that’s the closest to their heritage besides one that they have no way of going back to would be an ideal place to leave a legacy for. It’s probably more of a pipe dream than real, but it is conceivable that PM Abiey Ahmed could make use of such knowledge and expertise as a basis of moving the economy of the nation onward.

            Beyan

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            What’s the difference in value or in any case for an Eritrean to move from ME to Ethiopia for work ? Do you expect the salary to higher in Ethiopia than in Dubai?
            Or Do you expect Eritreans to think Ethiopia is more close to their heart than Dijubuti?

            I hate to tell you this but the notion we are one or as some say “ Habesha” thing are simply over . Eritreans has nothing to do with in Ethiopia unless they wanted to repeat the eye colour history on themselves for a second time.

            These who can do better Eritreans are infact doing great in Angola, Brazil , DRC , Nigeria, Mozambique, Malesia , Dubai and other places I have not heard or saw . So thanks for your wish because I felt that you think we have short memory.

          • iSem

            Hi Beyan
            Al-Beshire gave the same incentive to diaspora Drs and that is why now Sudan has a decent medical sector where Eritreans with means go and get a decent treatment Even EPLF veterans go there, they have an entire building rented to house the government supported medical travel. Many Drs visit Sudan from Middle east and Europe where they have employment and helpp their country and make some profit. But majority of Sudanese do not have medial access if they are poor
            Majority of Africa needs to liberalized its education by stopping central planning, producing highly educated people without improving the economy will not help. Many of the poor African countries do have many educated people ( albeit education is still elite) but that is not helping the economy because the government can give jobs to limited people or place them all them with diminishing economic returns. < Good example take Egypt and S.Korea and Also Ghana. Both African countries increased thie university graduated but could not find jobs for them. Skorrea improved governance and economy y then the economy y demanded skills and ppl went to schools to gain the skills.
            Good governance, good quality of education in response to the needs of the economy , improving the literacy and numeracy of the citizens and investing in innovation to spur the economy are vital. Ethiopia has seen the sprouting of private univesitiefs but do not offer quality, so they are useless. Eri opened a bunch of colleges, quality is also bad

          • Paulos

            Great points Semerile. Thanks.

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            Speaking of South Korea, the African Development Bank has a shindig on May 21-25 in Busan, South Korea on Accelerating Africa’s industrialization and What lessons can Africa learn from Korea’s experience? Of course, if they want to learn from South Korea, the message is very different from the one you are giving them and it begins with: screw liberalization, democracy and human rights and have a Chung Hee Pak :). Be careful what you wish for!

            saay

          • iSem

            Ha Sal:
            I say screw the dictators of Africa:-)
            What do you think as higher Education expert or as some one whose area of education and career is in Education?

          • saay7

            iSem:

            Are you SURE you want to know? I may be asked to give up the Opposition card and shown the door:)

            saay

          • iSem

            Selam/Selamamt Sal:
            Yes, am sure I want to know, baeley wahska, u will not be shown the door because I cannot imagine this will be wose than this:
            “I will support time limited national service….” please forgie me it is too late and wicked iSem is uttering the quote in question haha
            Now tell me

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            I forgot which African country was at even par with South Korea about 50 years ago in terms of economics. It was not South Africa.
            .
            After witnessing what we witnessed, shouldn’t we emulate South Korea? Are they worse in human rights, democracy etc than that African country.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Mr KH:

            I believe you are thinking of Ghana.

            Paulos suggested what you are recommending and he had his head bitten off:) The South Korea model (or any Asian Tiger for that matter) is economic development first —which requires a brilliant but authoritarian man (sound familiar?) who will rule with an iron fist, with a single focus on accelerated development—then, with that accomplished and a sizeable middle class, liberalize the politics.

            There is one thing that the Africans never emulated. The Asian Tigers avoided war, conflict at all cost but their African counterparts (the Lee Kwan Yee wanna be’s) never got that.

            saay

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            To emulate South Korea, or anyone of the south east tigers, among many things, in my opinion we need:

            – real and 100% benevolent dictators (african dictators are usually thieves; angola, guinea, nigeria …..most of them rich oil producing countries),
            – the work ethics (damn, east asians over do it. Recently a young japanese woman collapsed and died at work after days of continuous work without sleep),
            – handle corrupt officials (the cockroaches, unfortunately, we have so many of them; it is an endemic disease, ሲሾሙ ያልበሉ….the hippos say so with pride),
            – nepotism and impunity, ……., etc.

            S.E Asian tigers do not have the vast resources africans have, and yet they made miracles within few decades. I am scratching my head when i say this, what about the i.q. level (around 74, as told by some, while s.e. asians are famous for their i.q. level), which can clearly be augmented by education, and few african leaders tried to invest strategically on education to produce a broadly educated society.

            Change the african mentality, and there you have it; no more famine, no more wars, misery, no more all the ills africa faces…….

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            In fact not sure which one but one of the Dergue members who had been in prison since 91 got a Law Degree while in prison where it turned out to be a blessing for him. Well, if you think about it, the whole purpose of imprisonment is paying debt and rehabilitation where the latter is obviously morphing into a major nervous breakdown in PFDJ land.

          • saay7

            Paulos and Emma:

            When they gave access to the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the PFDJ took her to Sembel. It is the only prison where people are sentenced and serving time. It has a training program and houses of worship. From this, the Commissioner is supposed to conclude that the CoI report is all wrong and there are no underground* prisons, detention centers and make-shift prisons dotting the entire country where prisoners are never sentenced, never know how long they will be in prison, never have visitation rights and are taken out only when nature calls for a limited time. Until they are buried.

            The whole PFDJ value system is based on deceit (what Asmarinos used to call “shitara”): that you can lie to people indefinitely and get away with it.

            Saay

            * I don’t know if people missed one of Kbrom’s observations: underground prisons are so common, an Eritrean youth asked her teach, “what’s the English word for ‘underground’?”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Dr Grbre G. was a young ELF fighter who was a prisoner of war in the 70s during the Derg Era. He was sent to Alem-baq jail in Addis Abeba. He fonished his high school education in the jail,and passed the matriculation with great distinction, just before the defeat of Derg. After the defeat of Derg he came to Asmara University to continue his college education. Later, he got a scholarship to GB, now with PHD in economics, teaching in Virginia tech is one of the exemplary of the story you are telling us.

            Regard

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            It is what they call “The Matilda Misfortune.” “Matilda” is a movie of the 90s where the story is about a bright young girl born into dumbazz family who make her stay at home watch TV instead of sending her to school. Her parents’ [Danny DeVitto playing the role] dumbazz mind set, however, is not only lack of understanding the value of education but comes with a baggage of sinister motives against her as well.

            Isaias’ anti-intellectual bent is not because he doesn’t appreciate the value of education but he is terrified by the consequences of bringing his subjects to where the light is as well.

    • Nitricc

      Hey P; in his case, Ph.D is really = Public Highschool Diploma!

  • blink

    Dear readers
    Is this news or just a mirror for some people. I think we need a clean way of fighting with out mentioning UAE , internet trolls will do nothing to make PFDJ any better, the Eritreans has to look why is the word Jihadist used ? Do we think we have some people who wanted to exploit the issue, yes we have but what exactly are we saying here ? Why do we have to go with everything we think is green ? If USA military base is relocated to Saudi and Qatar is dumped .who do you think is on better position, Qatar or the Duo ? It’s true Aljazeera is anti Eritrea and they have been since. The lies about Egyptian military, the 28 deaths and so many manufactured lies need no explanation.
    Aljazeera is working with weyane and this can be ok for some reason but it will backfire badly because Aljazeera is known for inciting ethnic, religious tensions all over the ME and their reporting is always not balanced ( refer to the Ethiopian issues) . The Eritrean opposition can work better with Sudan than with weyane and this doesn’t require to be anti UAE Or be pro-muslimbrotherhood because the game is not Ours as Eritreans , we Eritreans has nothing to do with this , it’s PFDJ made and it has to die with out involving Eritrean opposition names. PFDJ already lost in the Yemen war and we should focus on how we can create an opposition that is away from being a revolving door. Once the American base is removed, any one can bet Qatar is going to give in to the Saudi demands and After that what ? GEAN against who ? Against internet trolls? Well this is just childish at best . Because trolls can do little to change the fabric of Eritreans. We have already religious people vomiting their evil yet failed . Why do we have to be against KSA and UAE to be a united Eritreans? Well in the opposition we are not united because we have been dividing the people across Ethnic , religious and regional politics. We need not to point fingers at UAE and SAUDI because we have been doing it ourselves. John Bolton is coming and who knows what the Saudi can do with their money. He is anti Iran and if the Saudi succeeded in selling their evil plan , we can bet Qatar is doomed so do the Aljazeera muscle with it and so do the Muslim brotherhood and so do the game.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Blink; did you read this….”U.S. Officials Demand Al Jazeera Register as Propaganda ‘Agent’” A bipartisan group of lawmakers has called for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to investigate whether Al Jazeera, the news outlet connected to the Qatari government, should register with the Justice Department as an agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)” the US is going after Al Jazeera.

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        Yes , and I am sure Qatar is connected with it . Aljazeera is an Islamic hard line network that worked for the ethnic inciting revolution in Libya and all over the ME and now the network is in bed with weyane by the Eritrean man .I hope Aljazeera got banned as a terrorist network.

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    The most welcome news here is the pledge by GEAN to challenge the new frontier of misinformation by UAE and its junior affiliate, the PFDJ. I hope they mean it and I hope they are going to work as hard and as methodically at it as the PFDJ trolls do.

    I know today is a weekday and I hope I am granted an exception to post a link because I want everyone to see the utter bankruptcy of the Qatari campaign.

    It began with the demonstration that was held in front of the Eritrean embassy in London in November 2017, and which was covered prominently by Al Jazeera. This is what UAE campaign, using its hashtag Qatarileaks wrote, accompanied by video of the event:

    https://twitter.com/qatarileaks/status/932583557486190592

    So to the extent that the unnamed Eritrean government supporter used the “Qaradawi” line, he was only copying what he heard in Qatarileaks.

    Now, this is not just an internet war. The government of Eritrea apparently has a foreign policy which says that “we must be at war with at least two of our neighbors at any given time.” In its tension escalation with Sudan, it is now supporting a splinter group of JEM (the Darfurian rebels) whom it is arming and training in Eritrea.

    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article65023

    We are either fighting because fighting is the right thing to do and it helps our conscience feel better, or we are fighting because we want to win and bring about change. It is long past due for us to up our game and to engage fully.

    saay

    • Paulos

      Bravo! Good for you brother! Ajokha!

    • iSem

      Hi Sal:
      You should flesh out this excellent idea of fighting to win vs. fighting because fighting is the right thing to do. This is far superior idea than No Eritrean left behind.
      I am not being facetious here, I am serious, I just remember that idea.
      There is no shortage of opposition willing to fight against PFDJ, there is no shortage of information detailing the crimes of PFDJ and IA and his cronies.
      Now what are the methodology to fight with a goal to win. You should write an article about it to serve as a framework, to serve as the scicene and art of doing so
      I know you are not a DJ and I should not ask you what to write about but this is an idea worth being a DJ. I like is so much
      Thanks You

      • saay7

        Ha iSem:

        The “No Eritrean Left Behind” was meant to say that this website will not have an ideological test to use to ban users, as is the case with the pro-PFDJ websites. It wasn’t meant to say that their ideas will not be challenged or the moral bankruptcy, when it is evident, won’t be showcased. But it is a matter of priorities, isn’t it: Do you want to water a rock and hope something grows our of a crevice, or do you move on to more fertile territory?

        In this particular issue, it feels like 2002 to me: even the notorious Wedo Gebba Abdulkader Hamdan (and his most recent iteration of a phony think tank, this time renamed “African Horn Organization”) is back in an interview with Al-Arabiya English edition. 2002 was a lonely time; now our side is more numerous, hopefully more emboldened and ready to work.

        On the article….we shall see.

        saay

        • iSem

          Thanks Sal:
          yea, “Hamdan was once a man”:-)
          “No Eritrean Left Behind”, this had two iterations, in its later years it infused the idea that you just explained, but also in an earlier article (cerca 2002) you articulated that they, the supporters are victims and we should not give up on them. They are both fine ideas but this one, fighting to win, a deliberate, conscious, strategic process as opposed to fight for the sake of it, fighting should not be the end, it must be the means to end, the end being defeating PFDJ: erecting justice on its rubble is far more noble

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Saay,

      This Gedeb news and your rejoinder onr of the best news worth reading. Thank you guys. The geopolitics of the Red Sea is getting very complex by the day. Do you think we are growing with the complexities of the Issue?

      Regards

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes Amuni,

        I don’t think, we are doing what we should be doing..especially at this era “…geopolitics of the Red Sea is getting very complex by the day”

        We should think and work harder on how to deal with this circumstance..

        KS,,

        • Nitricc

          Hi KS; you said “We should think and work harder on how to deal with this circumstance” How can people work hard when in one minute told the system is isolated, finished and dead and in the next minute they are telling you that the same dead, finished and isolated system is back stronger than ever and so much so with some complexity and technology. The point is which should the silent majority believe?

      • iSem

        Hi Emma:
        people complain that the world is getting so unsafe, but it is not true, the word has never being safer for humans, in every parameter: disease, wars everything we are dying less, we are killing each other less. But the Horn seems to be worse that when I was teenager, so not only is it getting complex, it is getting out right dangerous. PFDJ supporting Darfur rebels is believable given their record. We do not hear about it in CNN as they are occupied with their president’s infidelity (what a luxury) but turmoil is brewing in Sudan, Bashir is facing opposition, people are demonstrating weekly and add to that the Darfur and Eri helping them , it disaster. It is Bashire’s making, but if Sudan implodes, it is fire and it can derail some of the good work that is going on on some parts of Africa

        • blink

          Dear isem
          I prefer Bashire to go , he already killed enough people and he has to go.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi iSem,

          don’t worry about Sudan. don’t worry about UAE, Qatar or Iran. It’s nothing Eritrean can do or should do. Let them sort out their problems and figure out the solution.

          You have to understand the purpose of PFDJ government in this propaganda.

          It’s not afraid of Sudan, Qatar, Yemen or anyone else. It’s not even afraid of Eritrean opposition groups, including Muslims who are allegedly supported by Sudan or Qatar.

          Sure it can gain some support from right wing media and the US may see the other way, because the influence the Saudi may have (buy a favor) at the current US administration. But this all means nothing..

          What it’s trying to do, as saay said:

          It’s trying to warn the Eritrean Christians from joining hands with the Eritrean Muslims, from joining hands caused by the Akria movement. It wants to

          1) At best: To make the Eritrean Christian population to join and fight these “threat” coming from Akria and Muslim movement and fight each other.
          2) At worst: They stay put and have doubt in the movement started in Akria.

          It’s reckless government and it will do anything to stay in power.

          What we should be doing:

          We should learn from the movement of 2001 – 2002 when we have the momentum and the PFDJ was cornered from every angel. We had lost the opportunity then and we should NOT lose the opportunity this time.

          What it’s doing to the youth is exactly from the play book it did to the UoA students. It will pressure them until they breakdown and then it will disperse them and then they will be forced to go out and be exiled like most other youth in Eritrea have done.

          Berhe

        • Paulos

          Selam Semerile,

          I absolutely agree with you the fact the life for humanity never been better and as you put it aptly, people are living longer and less nations are engaged in an active war.

          I say, the Horn in general ain’t that bad either. Perhaps, if one is to draw any lesson or similarities from history, the “The Treaty of Westphalia” which set in motion what is to be called “Balance of Power”, established a non-interference treaty where European nations found the treaty the only way forward after they saw all the détriments of war. And it is safe to say that, it is just a matter of time till all the warring nations [Saudis, UAE and Qatar] will come to the same conclusion where “Balance of Power” is the only way forward.

    • Alex

      Hi Saay,
      Why do you blame Eritrea regarding the relationship with Sudan. Sudan close the border because of non existent threats from Eritrea and Egypt from Eritrean border. We know who is supported by Qatar and Ethiopia at the border. If Sudan is going to be hostile then Eritrea have the right to reciprocate in kind.

      • saay7

        Selamat Alex:

        Good question (I take it when you say “Eritrea” it is short hand for the Government of Eritrea.) Because:

        In early December, President Omar Albashir dispatched General Bakri Hassan Saleh, Sudan’s First Vice President and Prime Minister, to Eritrea. His trip was to relay one message: that President Omar Albashir hoped to visit Eritrea as soon as Sudan’s Independence Day celebrations (January 1) were over. After the usual courtesies, President Isaias Afwerki relayed his message: that he supports the assessment of United Arab Emirates and the US, i.e., that the problem with Sudan is not with the ruling party, National Congress Party (NCP), or its Islamist ideology but the person of Omar Albashir and, consequently, he (and UAE) would be very supportive of a Sudanese government presided over by General Bakri Hassan Saleh. When he returned to Sudan, General Bakri Hassen Saleh delivered the statement he heard from President Isaias Afwerki, word for word, to the Sudanese President. Then, in a special session of NCP, he repeated it to all the delegates.

        Google: “The Story Behind The Sudan Eritrea Falling Out

        You either believe the above, or you don’t. I do. My test is: any time there are two sides to a story, the one told by the Eritrean regime is wrong or a flat-out lie. If somebody flat-out lies about things you personally know, you can assume they are lying about things you don’t know. For reference, read the letter the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent the UN Rapporteur on Faith: literally everything on it (from the letterhead, to the date, to its claim that Aldia ISLAMIC School is not a religious school, every thing is a lie.) The more “oh, jeez, I don’t understand” act it pulls, the more guilty it is.

        That’s why.

        saay

        • Alex

          Hi Saay,
          It is hard to believe that Sudan will move their military and close the border because PIA told General Bakri Hassan Saleh the problem in Sudan is Omar Albashir. Sudan changed the reason for the closure of the border two-three times. First it was reported to disarm traffickers then to stop the threat from Eritrea and Egypt. No were it is reported about the conversation except by unknown website eritreadigest. I will believe it if it was reported by Gedeb news in awate, since they have a good truck record in reporting the truth when it comes to Eritrea.

          • saay7

            Alex:

            As you wish. But Martin Plaut, no slouch former BBC reporter, reported a similar story days later.

            There was a period of time when Al Bashir was zig-zagging between two sides of his ruling party (the pro-Isaias and the anti-Isaias wing which Isaias calls “special interest group that doesn’t represent the interest of Sudan” because he knows who represents every country’s best interest, don’t you know?), but following the disclosure of his plan to overthrow Bashir, Sudan’s ruling party swung against him and made a fast run to Egypt where the Sudanese dictator reconciled with Egypt’s with much fanfare.

            In the crocodile games of old rulers, Bashir and IA are a match. And the Gov of Eritrea’s new press release of “jeez, we don’t know why Qatar and Sudan are doing this?” is very similar to IA saying that he really didn’t understand why Eritrea and Ethiopia went to war because he was out of town when it happened.

            saay

          • Burbank

            Selam to everyone and all,

            Long time and I hope everyone is doing well,

            Please excuse me to say It is, for a luck of better qualifier, fascinating how Eritreans are still preoccupied in discussing whether IA is an angel hovering with his majestic wings over the Horn and Gulf regions to safeguard Eritrea and its interest or a devil who is invested in his personal interest with a view to dragging his stay in power to his grave. The question is simply why have not Eritreans progressed to an effective stage of putting up resistance against his tyranny during the last several years when and as the number of opposing Eritrea kept growing? Understandbly no one has a definite answer/explanation. This is rather to say, at least, the discussion should be at that level. In other words, the fact that Eritreans are stuck in a mere discussion of pro vs against his regime has today rendered him the opportunity to play at a geopolitical level encompassing the Horn and Gulf region.

            Now, it doesnt make it better but all dictators are not the same. Some are better than the others and if you are given restricted choices among them you definitely prefer your best poison carefuly. But this is not an academic excercise here but an attempt to make a simple loose point. In pursuit of Steve Jobs’ taxonomy of electronic gudgets, though not scientific, it can be said that there are, broadly speaking, two types of dictatorial regimes: ipower and ipower + (i for individual) . The ipower dictators are those whose purpose of existence in life and position is only preserving power at any cost with no regard to the country or people. These ones consolidate power domestically and, if unchallenged there, will proceed to regions far and near to expand their power and influence. They use state power, structures, resources and institutions for this and this purpose only. They do not have any other agenda. With those types of dictators no citizen can hope improvement of their situation and their country’s state of affairs except the removal of the dictator with whatever cause possible. When regimes are literally bogged down with internal challenges to regime they shrink and look inward. ipower+ dictators are similar to the first one on the need to preserve individual power except when their power agenda is not challenged, they go to national, and even outside agendas, like development, reconstruction, education etc to benefit the people that accepted them. Mengistu Hailemariam, Gaddafi, Mubark and the overwhelming majority of them are in varying degrees ipower+. Issias Afwerki and Kim Jong-Un are ipower and not many more.

            So IA is a rare dictator and that Eritreans that are outside of his control are still debating whether he is good or bad is perplexing. Not because they should all have agreed by now but if they are so hard crushed by his wars and abuse that they are left lying and still rolling over in the dirt to stand up. Whatever it is, what is the way to put up effective resistance to reinstall hope to a desperate nation?

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Hope,
    If you wondered what a PFDJ Troll does, it is self explanatory. Trolls do what you are doing in this forum. But your tactics are very poor. You need to re enroll in the Troll academy. Maybe you can be less obvious. Just an advise to hone your skills.

    • saay7

      Abu Selah:

      😂😂😂😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

      saay

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; nicely put article. very informative, useful and humorous. I can’t help but giggle when I read this part of the article. ” Meanwhile, a coalition of Eritrean activists, the Global Eritrean Advocacy Network (GEAN), stated it is determined “to counter the UAE & Saudi funded troll campaign” Really? I have no idea who this ” GEAN” is but please take easy. I will post a link on weekend to see what I mean. We are going back to the old ways of note book, I mean physical note-book. It is scary out there.

    • iSem

      Hi Nitriccly
      You read about GLEAN a several of times in this website.
      Q for you, how come you know everything there is to know bout Ethiopia and you do not know GLEAN. Now come clean what are your priorities and your identity. Not that it matters, anyway, you have no clout , neither in influence or persuasation am just curious

      • Nitricc

        semere; if it doesn’t matter why ask? next time when you say ” I am Semere” and they respond by saying Semere who! that means they don’t you and it means you have no value to them. In fact when you say ” Shigir Yelen” to mean Tsgem-Yelen; do you know who said that in trying to mimic PIA? You can’t fool, you are too row to fool anyone. But have it your way; Shigir-Yelen!
        Long live Agazain! to just make your day. Dead!

  • Beyan

    Thank you Gedab News for alerting us and informing us about the intricacies of media war of disinformation that Eritrea’s regime is undertaking under the tutelage of UAE. Granted, they may saturate the media and malign innocent individuals along the way, individuals who are fighting against these regimes’ errant ways. The facts on the ground being that we cannot match them in the coffers front, we, by we I mean awatawyan in this forum to begin to think long and hard how to pull our sources and make effective use of it. Kbrom, for example, in so many ways has been telling us we can do better than just writing our commentaries day-in-day-out, but by the end of the day, what does that accomplish.

    That’s also what I took Dr. Sarah Ogbay meant when she said, ” …I think we should leave this [meaning ghedli related history] to objective historians to research on and think hard, like we never did before, what we can do to to get ou[t] of this nightmare.” The nightmare on Eritrean streets continues unabated. The regime detains children as young as 9 years-of-age and as old as 93 years-of-age. In diaspora, we can’t seem to put our priorities straight. Can’t Awate Team assemble media group whose sole focus would be to strategize how to counter this behemoth media blitz trolling and maligning individual activists akin to the Russia’s Fake News Factory that we have seen in disbelief how it influenced the 2016 US presidential election. If we think the regime is going to stop at anything, even if that meant to wedge a war Eritreans against Eritrean on religious, ethnic, gender lines, we better think again.

    The Awae Team can, for example, use the Festivals that are being planned for this year as a venue where we can all meet and institute long term strategies and tactics we can collectively use. Of course, until then, we can begin to chart a road-map that will be used as a basis for discussions and implementations. Obviously, this needs to be done offline. If anyone knows each and everyone of us, be it those who use pen-names and/or real names, I would imagine it would be the AT. This news bit to me is an ominous sign for what’s to come. The regime will not stop at anything. Our Sal Younis captured the essence of what we face in a different thread. I mean, imagine, this was back in 2002, accusing both Sals being “Jihadists/Islamists”. Here it is:

    “The government is dragging its feet to create one narrative: Eritrea is under assault by Jihadists and Islamists who are using Eritrean Muslim youth as their foot soldiers and thereby endangering Eritrea’s sovereignty and security.

    “You can never underestimate the potency of this message in a plural society: it has the ability to give pause to even people you thought were intelligent who will ask, with zero evidence, “could it be true?” The PFDJ resorts to this every time it feels the heat of popular uprising: the last time it did this was in 2002. That was the year SGJ and I were officially branded as Jihadists and Islamists and we used to get “go back to Bora bora” hate mail.

    “2002 was also the year that the late Ambassador Girma Asmerom told my congressman that my dad was in jail most likely because he is a jihadist. IA has been using the fear of “Jihad” since Nehnan Elamanan–where, if you remember, he accused the ELF leadership of being Jihadists. He knew of the potency of the word long before the average Eritrean Muslim knew what the word meant. It is the old reliable in Eritrean politics. It is the PFDJ’s go-to until people wise up to it and, if one is an optimist, one will say more and more people are.” (saay)

    • Haile S.

      Hey Beyan and all,

      I think your sleep deprivation was worth the Gedab News message you are echoing. You said “”You can never underestimate the potency of this message (Jihadist et al) in a plural society: it has the ability to give pause to even people you thought were intelligent who will ask, with zero evidence, “could it be true?””. I was asking myself ‘could it be true?’ not only I wanted to be counted among the intelligents, but I am contaminated too. Talking about individuals is at the heart of strategy and a way forward in the hike for change. Sometimes the tit-for-tat response with an opponent who wants to drag you into a cul-de-sac (መዓኮር ቁርባበሻ፣ መውጽኢ/መህደሚ ዘይብሉ) is worthwhile. It can even be the best strategy to show to others that what the opponent is saying doesn’t make sense, in particular when it concerns individuals. Nothing will stick on a well oiled guy like you Beyan or SGJ, even if we were to immerse you in the Jihadist’s lake, but imagine an ‘unknown’ name with a bizzare adjective attached-to at that; it could, like a crazy glue. Therefore, talking about the accused and explaining who he is should not be viewed as giving up to the chosen strategy. Bravo Beyan and Gedab news!