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Paying Homage To Sheikh Hassan Al-Turabi

On Saturday evening, Sheikh Hassan Al-Turabi died in a hospital where he was admitted earlier in the morning. Turabi was 84,

The remains of the famous statesman, thinker and controversial intellectual was buried at the Burri cemetery in the Sudanese capital city, Khartoum.Thousands attended his funeral. .

Family sources indicated that Al-Turabi complained of pain after which his health quickly deteriorated. Soon he lost consciousness and was taken to Khartoum’s Royal Care International Hospital, the official Sudan News Agency (SUNA) reported. He died that evening in the same Hospital, the cause of death is believed to be a stroke.

The polyglot Turabi was fluent in Arabic, English, French and German.

After graduating from the University of Khartoum, Turabi traveled to England and in 1957 he earned a master’s degree from the Oxford University and in 1964, he earned a doctorate degree from the Sorbonne in France, according to SUNA.

In his fifty years of political career since Al-Turabi returned to Sudan after finishing his studies in Europe, he was always a renowned political figure and he is credited for being the founder of the Popular Congress Party.

I first met Sheikh Hassan Al-Turabi in 1985 when I visited Khartoum. Over the years I had the opportunity to interview him several times; not a single year has passed without me having tapped into his vast experience, knowledge, and wisdom.

In 1992 I interviewed him in Doha, Qatar, and later in the same year I met him in Asmara–Between 1996 and 2010 I interviewed him once or twice every year. But of all the discussions I had with him, the interview I conducted in 1998 stands out glaringly. It was an interview that gave me a deep insight into the man and his ideas for the development of the Horn of Africa region. We discussed about the Ethio-Eritrea war, which was raging at the time, and his Islamic programs. The interviews were published in several Arabic magazines and newspapers.

From what I know of him, describing Sheikh Turabi as a radical ‘Islamist’ is a mischaracterization. I knew him as a tolerant man, though he held divergent and controversial ideas. But he was a moderate and believed that Sudan should be closer to the Horn of Africa region than to North Africa.

Al-Turabi is widely rumored to have been behind the 1986 coup d’état that overthrew president Jaafer Al Nimeiri. After the coup, General Sewar Al Dahab formed and led a transitional military government which a year later handed power to the democratically elected government of Sadiq AlMahdi. However, in 1989, Omar Al-Beshir, then a brigadier general, overthrew Sadiq AlMahdi’s government in a military coup d’etat.

Al Turabi was the spiritual leader of the coup, but at one point, he had a disagreement with President Al-Beshir and was imprisoned. He was released afterl he declared his support for the idea of Sudan’s National Dialogue that was proposed by Omar Al Bashir. The relation between the two had improved since then.

Al-Turabi is also known outside Sudan where internationally he was a consultant in the process of drafting of the constitutions of several Arab countries including those of Kuwait and Qatar.

Al Turabi was honest, straightforward, clear minded, and confident and he was a man who cherished cooperation, and he held no grudges. Sudan has lost a dear son, an excellent intellectual, a thinker but it can only take solace from the fact that his teachings and writings will be a reference for generations to come. May he rest in peace!

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  • AMAN

    Greetings

    Dear Awates
    Summary Post

    As far as to me and may be others too, the 2 decade long revolution
    or political discourse or struggle is practically coming to an end if not
    it already has after lingering for quite a while or an extended period of
    time ( almost a year or so ) at the 11th to 11:59 th hour.
    ( Actually It can be taken or considered as EXECUTIVE SUMMARY )
    The confusing or perplexing and disturbing scene is though I can see
    no one or any victor around that claims the trophy and the position of
    the contest while I see everyone OR All lost or as a looser.
    Am I right ?
    It is like the Amhara song I heard somewhere I don’t remember the previous
    year goes like ;

    HULUM ZERO ZERO
    ENEM ANCHIM HULUM
    HULACHINM ZERO
    ZERO ZERO ZERO…………….

    MIN YAREGAL ZERO

    SIBAZAM ZERO
    SIDEMERM ZERO
    SIKENESIM ZERO
    SIKAFELIM ZERO
    HULUM ZERO ZERO

    ANCHI ZERO ZERO ?
    ENEM ZERO ZERO
    HULUM ZERO ZERO
    HULACHIN ZERO ?
    GUDACHIN ZENDRO……………………….Good Song With Good Lyrics For the Event.

  • dawit

    Selam AMAN,

    Well AMAN, as you already noticed it I completely misunderstood you question because it was not clear to me when I responded. Now you have made it a little more clearer, let me give it another shot to answer your question “So are PROUD or ASHAMED of it ?”
    I am not proud of the written my Abyssinian/Ethiopian history as written. In some instances I am ashamed. Most of the written history does not reflect the true history of the people. It is fiction to embellish the rulers who were plunging the people into civil wars, who ruled when, who chased who, who conspired with whom and where? There is nothing you can glean from those records to know the history of the people. I guess that may be true for most histories. The isolated historical reference about the people is written by some lonely Arab or European travelers, which hardly can capture the history of the people with a single snap shot of a picture.
    Now don’t confuse my reply beyond the written history. I am very proud of my Abyssinian/ Eritrean/Ethiopian culture in general, with the exception of few harmful behaviors and practices that you can observe them today. Our social culture is much advanced than many cultures I have observed in many parts of the world.
    dawit

    • AMAN

      Greetings

      Dear Dawit

      Thank you for your reply and clarification.
      Now I am able to verify what I wanted to
      know in my request.

  • sara

    Dear awatistas, there was a gentelman called shumm, where is he this days? do you remember him? did i hear , you don’t… ok , let me pick/share a very interesting comment he made last year when we were in such instance..

    Shum • a year ago

    Selam Awatistas,

    I’m starting to see a pattern on this discussion board. Several articles go up about many topics having nothing to do with Ethiopia or very little, as in the case of saay’s last article. Somehow, the topic turns to Ethiopia or a discussion occurs between Eritreans and Ethiopians about nonsense. There will be the usual Eritrean ostriches who see an Ethiopian conspiracy behind everything. Then we are treated to multiple barrages from the usual Ethiopian posters who carry one or more of this type of message:

    1. The young Ethiopians don’t know you. The older ones don’t care about you. You’re insignificant. Now, remember some of this is coming from some of the top posters on Awate, an Eritrean site. Who knows why they do this, bitterness, personal issue, ax grinding. The point is who cares. If they don’t know us or they don’t care about us, why are they here? What meaningful discussion can we have with people who don’t want to engage you?

    2. Here’s one that I like best for its utter stupidity: You have an identity complex from Italians. Oh by the way, since you’ve become your own country, please return our Ethiopian culture (food, clothing, language). The stupidity is that they can’t both be true. And politics and culture are two different things.

    3. Here’s a negative encounter I had with some Eritreans. Ergo, most or all Eritreans are like this. It is so UnHabesha-like. We, Ethiopians, behave in much better ways, blah, blah, blah.

    4. Mengistu and Haile Selassie were good to us above all Ethiopians. All of our stories of hardship, oppression and desire to be our own nation is just made up or exaggerated. We’re just ungrateful, that’s all.

    5. You Eritreans are hate filled with empty pride. The only thing that brings you together is your hate for Ethiopia. Never mind, we occasionally get together for weddings, places of worship,

    funerals, coffee shops, community activities, holidays, hanging out. You know, things that normal people do. Things that no one questions except bigots who stereotype people as exceptions to the human race. The point is why are we wasting time engaging with people who hold these points of view. Yeah, it’s weird that they keep coming back but tell us we’re not relevant to them. But that’s what trolls do. There are plenty of Ethiopians who favor rapprochement. Look at the postings by Horizon, Crocus, derbew, Amde and others. You don’t have to agree with their point of view, but they are presenting their proposals and ideas respectfully and again they favor rapprochement. Plus, they’re not a**holes. That’s a big plus. That matters when holding discussion on the web. So, please ignore the others.

    Awate Team,

    Since we’ll have these folks who can’t make up their mind if they’ve forgotten about us or not, I have a proposal that I’ve made before. Create a page for them. It’ll be sort of a virtual room with rubber walls where they can tell us 24/7 how much they don’t want to engage us or have any sort of relationship between our two countries. Give them a nice logo. They can have a feedback page where innocent Ethiopians can submit stories of terrifying encounters they’ve had with Eritreans. We can throw Nitricc in there to keep them company from time to time when he has the itch. It’ll help them build group cohesion which is important for these fragile individuals.

    Thanks shumm, we miss you

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear AMAN,
    you are doing fine now, participate and say our say when people discuss. don’t worry, and take your stand. you are brilliant and only when you put it in such way we can learn from you.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Abi,

    I don’t think you still understand what I am saying clearly. I am sure and I am going to show you why Kokhob Selam fought for Eritrean freedom to death equal to those gentle men you mentioned. I was sure of what I am doing. I was not just attracted by the Tegadali appearance or I was not miss-leaded as you say it above. In first place Abdulkadir Kebire is my root- you know what that mean. the family is for independent. my father was arrested for the same propose. before participating in this struggle, I have complete information of the struggle. my village was burned, my relatives were killed. I can’t put it in words what crimes was committed over my society by Ethiopian king and your ex -boss (Lol) Menge the great. the king had played religion as a tool to let my villages men kill each other. F21 has thrown bombs over my peaceful people.

    Eritrean national struggle is a must journey that we have to go through. If only the king was smart enough and those narrow minded men who were serving him didn’t exclude the mass in their decisions their could have been better solution.

    So don’t blame Mahmuday or SGL. blame the king of those days. now, I am sure you will also agree with me if I say Ethiopian people have been victims.

    Now, we need the strong and full of wisdom men and women to learn from the past and leap, jump all those blocking patterns. sometime it is a matter of chance to be one of them, may be I was lucky to be one who was able to see the invisible. now it should be visible. it should be clear. we both Ethiopians and Eritreans could have been done better. Learn from the past prepare now and create a wonderful future for those two nations but one people. Let us create love. the fighters for freedom were not against Ethiopian people.

  • Dear Ayenta,

    The truth is that they do not care a bit about the injustice in Oromia. Their aim is to justify the injustice back home in Eritrea, and they fan the flame to see Ethiopia burning. They believe that Ethiopia’s demise is the remedy for their many problems, which as we know are the result of their blunders. Not only that the demise of Ethiopia will not solve their problems, on the contrary, it will take them to their own demise as well. One thing is for sure, they know that they will be far from the raging fire, and they and their families will be safe. Those who deny the existence injustice in their own backyard cannot care about the injustice on the other side of the fence.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Horizon,
      I don’t know how those guys understand the world. I don’t really understand in which school they took lessons that teach problems are to be solved from outside. how someone in this advanced world try to solve his own problem by disturbing others?

      No No, I am not worried about now as things are going fine and PFDJ and it’s system will be removed..But if we have such type of people in the future we will not able to develop our nation. I really thinking about it.

      • Dear K.S.,

        Look at the common characteristics of the group,
        – Most of them are Ethiopian-Eritreans,
        – Many of them have friends and relatives safe in Ethiopia, and they are certain that they and their families are not vulnerable to whatever may happen in Eritrea and the whole region,
        – They visit Ethiopia now and then, probably they have never set foot or lived in Eritrea, or if they have, they have done so for a very short period of time,
        – They have never experienced the protracted war, nor were they victims, directly or indirectly, may be only economically,
        – They do not care where the Eritrean people would end up at the end of the day,
        – They play a double game: Eritrean or Ethiopian depending on the situation, and one is forced to doubt if their commitment will be forever,
        – They support PFDJ and DIA, because always somebody must lead them and they should follow from behind, due to their leader-revering mentality, and also because their feelings and the feelings of the Eritrean regime towards Ethiopia coincide, etc.

        For them there is no difference between the virtual world and the real world. An experiment should be proved right, no matter what the findings may show to the contrary. They have a gambling mentality. They continue to bet more and more with the hope to win at the end, until of course they lose everything. Such men/women are dangerous. Unfortunately, they are gambling with other peoples’ life, property and future; and not theirs or that of their families.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Horizon,

          exactly you have said ti perfectly. by the way in both countries culture the man who eat with you one meal will never be able to go against you. I never thought even a single day an Ethiopian is my enemy. putting aside politics, both people are one family. those guys who had been in Ethiopia and are still going there, enjoying the most beautiful view of the nation, with it’s wonderful climate, between the most kind and brotherly people should learn what our ethics is. our nations common and very attached culture is honesty, love and care. and I am sorry Horizon brother you witnessed cruel people born among us who deny what they benefited from our cultures.

          When I was in Ethiopia, there were friends who were informed their love once are killed in the war by ELF and EPLF..do you know, they never had hate on us Eritreans. and what! I never think the bad news they use to get is not also bad news for me. I never thought single day I am foreigner. I took my education equally and even I have been a good example in our social gatherings. students and their parents use to see me the most loved one. it was and is really and will be unchangeable relation.

          If it was in my hand and control I couldn’t allow single war between those to nations..but then it was a choice without choice to be a fighter to free Eritrea. yet, I never blame the people of Ethiopia in fact the ex -governments of Ethiopia are to be blamed and in fact our nonsense leaders of Federation years.

          what ever happened is history and there is a lesson to be learned. we Ethiopians and Eritreans should both clean each nations extreme sides. enough is enough!

          we will have united states of horn, and this will be materialized.

  • dawit

    Greetings AMAN,

    You wrote above “You have a powerful point here to make that I can’t deny or find
    it hard to deny > If this is really your point of view it is the closest approximation to
    my view AND I believe in my part we can come up to a common consensus and understanding hopefully. Because so far my the engagements I find them totally divergent from mine and I somehow had a different description of and approach
    to the history you presented above. But for the first time now to see convergence or overlap of view points.”

    Well AMAN,
    Like you I like to study History but my approach to history may be different than most people. I read some history books as written by historians and try to associate them to events at the present period. Often I talk to people to tell me what they know about their history. I also learn from oral histories passed from one
    generation to the next condensed as few verses describing what might happened
    in the past in the form of short versus, songs or saying . Often I take those versus
    and transport myself to the periods when those saying were invented. I travel
    mentally from present to the past and back from the past to the present using
    my imagination and make sense by connecting the two, the present and the past.
    Other times I take the past and present and project myself into the future.
    In the future I will take you back even further than the recent colonial history of our region. Back to the Book of Genesis as written by Mosses, which is the oldest historical reference that we have today.
    Keep researching and writing and as you indicated ‘Dawitism’ and ‘Amanism’ may convert into a solid history for our region.
    dawit

    • AMAN

      Greetings Dawit ,

      As for your advice, suggestion and compliment
      ” Keep researching and writing …….” feel no worry
      and rest assured . That is my occupation .I did it
      yesterday, I am doing it today and I will do it tomorrow.
      As long as life goes on……Learning and writing is a lifelong
      occupation or process besides a precious gift from GOD.

      Now I have a question for you.

      So are PROUD or ASHAMED of it ?
      if I may ask on behalf of transparency
      and reader’s right to know !

      Expecting your reply.

      • dawit

        Dear AMAN,
        Thank you for the reply. But I am not quite sure or clear about your question. Are you asking me if I am proud of what I write her AT? If that is your question, I don’t have any regret on what I share here at AT on the various topics I write. I write them with full conviction as truth. I don’t write to please or offend this or that group. I write whatever I feel right to my conscious, without any reservations. My ultimate goal in life as human being is to contribute my 2 cents, towards the betterment of society to live in peace and prosperity for this short period of life, a privilege we are given by our creator. Why create problems for ourselves and for our future generation that will follow us.
        Now AMAN, if I misunderstood you question, please state it clearly and I will try to give it another shot.
        dawit

        • dawit

          Dear Moderator
          Thank you for pointing the error I made in using AT. The correction noted
          dawit

  • Lamek

    ኣየኸየ ንዓሻ ሓቂ ይመስሎ ንዘይፈልጥ የጥርጦ ይብላ ነይረን ኣደይ ቁመሽ

    Selam all:

    It is too sad to see some people here wishing Weyane will be ‘no more’ by the Oromo protests. Someone who is in Addis tells me that ነዚኦም ነቕነቕ ዘብሎም የለን ዓርከይ። ንግዚኡ ቅሩብ ምህዳኡ ግዜ ይወስደሎም ይኸውን እምበር ክወድቁ ኢልካ ሕልሚ እዩ።

    Anyway, why don’t you learn a bit more about your country and your dictatorial regime.

    Here is some classified info declassified for you. You can find this information on FB by searching Sactism (ሳክቲዝም: ህግደፋዊ ናይ ጥፍኣት ስነ-ሓሳብ)

    ንህዝቡ ከይኮነ፡ ንነብሱ ከየድሓነ፡ ከም ግመ ዝበነነ….. ዓብደላ ጃብር!!!

    ካብቶም ሓሙሽተ ገበላት ህግደፍ ሓደ ነይሩ… ሓላፊ ውድባዊ ጉዳያት ህግደፍ ዓብደላ ጃብር፡፡ መብዛሕትኡ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብዓብደላ ጃብር ዝፈልጦ ሙሉእ ስሙ ዓብደላ ማሕሙድ መሓመድ ጃብር’ዩ፡፡ ኣብ ክፍሊ ስነዳን ምርምርን ህግደፍ ዝርከብ ሰነዳት ከምዘረጋግጾ ብ1952 ካብ ኣቦኡ ማሕሙድ መሓመድ ጃብር ካብ ኣዲኡ ፋጡማ ዑመር ኣብ ኣፍዓበት ተወሊዱ፡፡ ካብ 1ይ ክሳብ 11 ክፍሊ ኣብ ኣፍዓበትን ባጽዕን ምስወድአ፡ ብሱዳን ኣቢሉ ኣመሪካ ብምእታው ናይ ኮለጅ ትምህርቱ ኣብኡ ተኸታቲሉ፡፡ ካብ ኣመሪካ ናብ ህዝባዊ ግንባር ተሰለፈ ዓብደላ ጃብር ድሕሪ ናጽነት ውን ክሳብ ማስትሬት ቀጺሉ እዩ፡፡ ካብ ሜዳ ካብ ኣጋር ሓኪም፡ ጀሚሩ ክሳብ ዝለዓለ ጽፍሕታት በጺሑ እዩ፡፡

    After several pages, Sactism concludes as follows:

    ታሪኽ ዓብደላ ጃብር ንድሕሪት ንዝተዓዘበ ሰብ ካብ 7 ኣሕዋት ንባዕሉ ተኣሲሩ፡ ዑስማን ማሕሙድ ዝበሃል ሓው ኣብ 2010 ብሃ/ድሕነት ተጨውዩ ደሃዩ ጠፊኡ፡ መሓመድዑሞር ዝተብሃለ ካልእ ሓው እውን ድሕሪ ምእሳር ዓብደላ ኣብ ትሕቲ ምክትታል ውሽጣዊ ጸጥታ ነይሩ ጠፊኡ ንደገ ተሰዲዱ፡፡

    ኣብ ዜሮ ሰዓት ስቓይ ህዝቡ ተረዲእዎ ንእሽቶ ምዕይ ምስበለ ዝተቆጸየ፡ ንህዝቡ ከይኮነ፡ ንነብሱ ከየድሓነ፡ ከም ግመ ዝበነነ….. ዓብደላ ጃብር ነቶም ትማል ዝፈረዶም በዓል ጴጥሮስ፡ ድሩዕ፡ ሸሪፎን ካልኦትን ስቓዮምን መከረኦምን ክቋደሶ እንሆ ኣብ ጉድጓድ ኣተወ፡፡ ሕጂ እውን ካራ ኢሳይያስ ንዝኣመነን ዘይኣመነን ብማዕረ ክትሓርድ ስርሓ ትቕጽል ኣላ፡፡

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Lamek,
      Thank you very much.
      “ኣብ ዜሮ ሰዓት ስቓይ ህዝቡ ተረዲእዎ ንእሽቶ ምዕይ ምስበለ ዝተቆጸየ፡ ንህዝቡ ከይኮነ፡ ንነብሱ ከየድሓነ፡ ከም ግመ ዝበነነ….. ዓብደላ ጃብር ነቶም ትማል ዝፈረዶም በዓል ጴጥሮስ፡ ድሩዕ፡ ሸሪፎን ካልኦትን ስቓዮምን መከረኦምን ክቋደሶ እንሆ ኣብ ጉድጓድ ኣተወ፡፡ ሕጂ እውን ካራ ኢሳይያስ ንዝኣመነን ዘይኣመነን ብማዕረ ክትሓርድ ስርሓ ትቕጽል ኣላ፡፡” I love the conclusion. by the way this type of systems are like that. Petros and others were serving and participating in killing others and their time came. Abdula’s time came and Al Amin and others will also pay for it. IA will pay it, that is how it ends. The system they created is killer. it burns dry and wet. It is all crated for revenge and hate. no single man among them trusts the other. they know the crimes they had done together . That is bad.They never have good sleep and never hope for peace. they want to see the entire world in fire. they drunk to cheat themselves and the problem with this all is there is no U turn.

      Now, I am wondering about there supporters.. those who are enjoying in democratic countries with their children. I want those men and women to come back to Eritrea before PFDJ’s time ends. I want really those once..Lol. we can forgive them but I want to see their reaction.

      • Lamek

        Hi KS. It is an incredibly prophetic conclusion indeed. I am hoping dawit, Gheteb, Ted, and the like are paying attention otherwise the sharp knife is relentless but we will make it blunt eventually. Hang in there. Victory is not far for the oppressed masses of Eritrea.

        • dawit

          Lamek and Kokhob

          Small mind talk people

          • Kokhob Selam

            dawit,
            True, and who keep blaming and labeling individuals dawitom? we are talking about the system itself but you guys when cornered want by any means jump in individuals.

          • tes

            Selamat dawit,

            And people of no mind worship dictators.

            tes

          • dawit

            tes,
            And people with empty mind have nothing to worship.
            dawit

          • tes

            Selam dawit,

            Being with an empty mind is the core teaching of Buddhism. It is only an empty mind that can understand what peace is.

            tes

          • dawit

            tes.
            That is why your empty mind is filled by others and that is why one day you go north pole and next day you move south pole (Is that what Nitricc refer as bipolar) One day you preach peace the next day you stand violence – weed PFDJ. Take it on the alcohol.
            dawit

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            What do you call those people who claim to be from both sides of the Mereb?
            I call them bimereb.

          • Lamek

            Hi Abi. You would have to ask Isaias Afwerki and his close confidants to get the correct answer but bimereb works well for now.

          • Abi

            Hi Lamek
            So are you saying dawit is not a close confidant of IA ?
            Merebareb is also an option.

          • Nitricc

            Hey; dawit; correction; bipolar people have no stands, let alone to warship anything.

    • AMAN

      Greetings
      Awates,
      From this post above, I get the feeling that all the sins made by
      or under the PFDJ to pass them to Abdela Jabir .
      Poor Abdela Jabir he ended up being a scape goat ?
      I find it hard to believe or accept the fact that AJ had that latitude
      and freedom to decide things unilaterally without the others in
      PFDJ. What makes it even harder to believe is that in a dictatorship
      rule dominated by a single strong man ( as verified and told by the
      Opposition) to have such an obscure lower rank member to wield
      such a power or authority ?…..?……?
      Do I make any sense ?
      But being that as it may,
      He must also share and be part of the good work and reward of PFDJ
      if there is any not publiized or told to us yet…..! Any comments ?

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Aman,
        there is nothing good recorded on PFDJ era. which part of the society is happy? religious people? Artists of different sectors? journalists? politicians? everybody is killed arrested are left his beloved nation. what good job completed do you see in Eritrea? the proletarian,farmer, teacher, who is happy to stay in this nation? young old -men women ..none wants such useless system. someone said here “everything PFDJ touches changes to ash”..even if you go and participate in single meeting of PFDJ, when you come back to your home you will find everything up-side-down – ተረጊሞም እዮም !ውጹዕ ኣይርገምካ ኣማን ሓወይ::

      • T..T.

        Hi Aman and all,

        Because Abdela Jabir was number one enemy of the Eritrean refugees in the Sudan many used to consider him worse than Isayas. Calling him the dog of Isayas portrays him like he really is and qualifies for the total package of all dirty history of Higdef.

        • Aman

          Aha !
          I got you / what you mean.
          But,
          Nevertheless, they have to get all the facts together
          and should have the truth on their side before anything
          else.

        • AMAN

          Hi T..T.

          Yes AJ ‘s history can be called and termed dirty.

          (TEMPORARLY FOR THE SAKE OF CONVINENCE )
          in the Argument;

          But there is even dirtier and dirtiest in recent Eritrean
          history than that of his .
          Do they also qualify or surpass
          the dirty package of Higdef history ? or ………..
          But having said that ;
          would saying that help the peace and reconciliation
          we are desperately seeking and looking for at this time.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear awate friends,

    Is Eritrea going to use this chance? as you are aware PFDJ is searching the way out from the trouble it is in. this time there is one and only one chance..throwing those die hard supporters, make peace with Ethiopia..open the ports and let the boarder issue solve every pending problem…http://www.eastafro.com/2016/03/12/eritrea-asked-to-open-its-ports-for-ethiopias-famine-relief/

    peace is the way out.

    • Hope

      Ahlen Bikka Ya Ustaz KS:
      Welcome back from your “Hideout”!
      Let me remind you about your inconsistency and even your “Outrageous Hypocrisy”, positively though:
      -You broke out the “Breaking News ” to us here along with your ” sister”,about the TPLF Junta bombing Massawa and Hirghigo Power Plant” with an ECITEMENT!
      -Now, you came out from your hideout and broke the Breaking News from TN that Amb Cohen suggesting to the same Weyane,to use Aseb Port for Humanitarian Reasons so as to save the 50,000,000(50 million) Starving Ethiopians.
      But, rather than asking the Coward and Criminal TPLF Junta to use this Golden Opportunity to save the Poor Ethiopians thereby to make peace between the two innocent people, you are accusing the PFDJ,who in FACT,okayed the same appeal by another US Secretary to allow to use the Aseb Port for the same Noble Cause-to save poor Ethiopians, in 2000,after the TPLF Invasion of Eritrea ended.
      Guess what your Criminal TPLF Junta said to this appeal and the GoE’s positive gesture?
      Quote:
      “This is an absurd suggestion…..”!
      For details,listen to the dead-for-good-PMMZ’s answer about this issue to another Chauvinistic Ethiopian’s question.
      Since I am not allowed to link the YouTube, refer to the TN.
      Let me partially quote what the PMMZ said:
      Quote:
      “After debating the issue in detail, and after we considered the pros and cons of using the Aseb Port at this moment when the GoE is nearing collapse economically and since using Aseb could help the failing GoE using our Birr/money to stand on its feet,we rather opted NOT to use the Aseb Port and chose to spend more money to use the Non-Eritrean Ports….,”!
      End of quote(simplified and modified).
      Gen Nittric:
      Can you, please, try to link the YouTube here as you might be allowed to do so, for all to see and hear, which could be a serious topic for a debate here.
      KS,Worst:
      You are also on RECORD expressing your JOY about the EU holding back the Funds it promised to Eritrea to improve the Infra-structure of the Eritrean Economy and Education and in creating Job Opportunities to alleviate the suffering of Eritreans.!!!!!!
      I guess you care more for the TPLF Gang and to the Ethiopians more than for the Eritreans.
      Kudos to you and your likes in the Opposition, including your sistu.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear brother Hope,

        first I hate someone who accuses the dead once..Let them rest in peace please. This is very import point and if you want to debate anything with me the is the first red line you should not cross. this is not only for PMZ but for everyone who departed. for the last time let me tell you one very true and important point ..If PFDJ leaders stay alive in the world for next one thousand years, they will never do what PMZ has done. ask the world and they will tell you loudly including your leadership. But then if any one from PFDJ departs I will never say or write something bad about him. the dead should be remembered for his good deeds if here is, if not dead is dead only god knows what good thing he has done except God.

        and now, regarding war you will never find anything said by me except asking for conformation (of someone have any news) about what I read. But die hard supporters diaspora like you were showing how much they care about IA- he will only say to me “Kokhob, please don’t take them seriously”

        regarding money, I think you are right. our nation cares more about schools, hospitals, infra-structure and job opportunities …they don’t support Al-Shebab, they don’t support Ethiopian opposition, they don’t force long national service, they don’t kill, they don’t have single prison the list goes. they are for work and development, they are for peace and democracy and above all they hate dependency and are self reliance. So why should we oppose the support given by others to PFDJ.

        by the way do you read what Saay7 wrote regarding 2015 ? don’t miss that. really you will cry while laughing.

        Dawitom, you don’t have to worry about anything on this earth, what you need is the KING and we will provide you.

        • Hope

          Dear Back to you,KS:
          Cc: Abi et al(the Hayats,the Eyobs,the Horizons,the Kims,the TTs,the Lameks,etc..The Emmas,the Sem Andoms,included,,,)
          Sir,
          With all due respect,Sir,respond to my questions and comment,rather than going banana and talking mumbo-jumbo.
          As far as what Eritrea or the PFDJ by default, has achieved,read the US Reports,who declared that Eritrea and its leader,PIA ,was the Hope of Africa for their achievement from 1991-1997.
          The Tip of the Iceberg:
          a)The Brilliant Management of the Referndum to the satisfaction of the West and their puppet TPLF Gov.
          b)The successful transition from a Guerilla Liberation Army to a Successsful Government,in the words of fthe USA and its Puppets in the UN.
          c)The Brilliant handling of the Ethiopian issue to keep a United and Strong Ethiopia albeit a “disastrous Mistake”,when seen retrospectively,as Abbo Lencha Leta said it that it was a Major but Honest Strategic and even a wrong Tactical Mistake by the EPLF Leadership to trust the untrustworthy Junta,which messed up Ethiopia into Ethnic Federalism as we have witnessed it now.
          d)It was Eritrea, and specifcally PIA,who advised the TPLF and its Bankrupt Leadership to refrain from this corrupt and dangerous Ethnic based Politcs and Federalism(Refer to Abbo Lencha Leta’s ESAT Interview March 7 or 8,2016).
          e)The constructive (but an unfair one/ way from an Eritrean perspective) handling of the Eritrean Ports for the best interest of Ethiopia to the extent of imprisoning Patriotic Eritrean Heros including Gen Bitweded Abreha for standing up for Eritrea’s Interest….
          If Eritrea,and byy default the PFDJ/PIA,achieved a lot within 6-7yrs to have had a Peaceful and Developing Eritrea from the ashes compared to the other African Nations that have achieved none but disaster to their own Peoples and Nations in 50-60 yrs since their independence,what do you think Eritrea and its Regime could have achieved:
          – if they were left alone at the pace of the 1991-1997
          – if there was no Baduma war provocation,
          -if there was no “No War NO Peace Policy”
          -If there were No Sanctions,no Isolationist and no Containment Policies,no Sanaa Evil Axis(Ethio-Sudanes-Yemeni-Djibouti Evil Agenda against Eritrea,fully endorsed and supported by the Pseudo-Eritrean Oppositions and their Masters in the West)
          Etc—-
          Now,do not tell me that it was the PFDJ,which did that and this as we have evidence and facts on the ground to refute your claims otherwise.(Refer to Prof Dr Salih A A Younis’ Excellent Report on the Chronology of Events of the Ethio-Eritrean “Border War”,which he wrote when he was a SANE Patriotic Eritrean Citizen,much better than the 2015 Report).
          In the event,if you do not have time,let me chop you with few of the his Reports:
          -That it was the TPLF Gang that invaded Adi Murug.-That it was the TPLF that harrassed,tortured and deported Eritreans in the Borders
          -That it was the same TPLF Gang that made up and came up with a New Abay Tigray Map ,which incorporated deliberately and unilaterally incorporated a big chunk of Soverign Eritrean Lands.
          -That it was the same TPLF Gangister that boycotted and sabottaged Eritrea to lose more than $2 Billion so that Eritrea will collapse overnight.
          -That it was Eritrea,which sent its Team to Addis for a Peaceful demarcation process of our border but only to declare war on us while the Team was in Addis.
          -That it was the Criminal TPLF Junta that DEPORTED more than 80,000 Ethiopians of Eritrean Origin and Hard Working Eritreans in the most INHUMANE way besides looting and confiscating their life-long earnings.
          -That it was the same TPLF that boycotted OFFICIALLY the Eritrean Ports so that Eritrea will collapse overnight(refer to the Live Speech by PMMZ @TN.Com)..
          -That it was the same TPLF Criminal and Opportunist that declared offensives while Eritrea accepted all the agreements and the TPLF’s ONLY evil motive being to break the back bone of the EDF,rather than solving the probem peacefully.
          -That it was the same TPLF that called the Algiers Agreement NULL and VOID and a Legal Nonesense.
          -That it has been your EPRDF heros that declared No War, and NO Peace;Engineered Sanctions and the Policy of Isolation and Containment with the FULL SUPPORT and BLESSING of/by its Masters against Eritrea so that Eritrea will collapse over-night.
          -That it has been your same EPRDF Heros that threatened to invade Eritrea and to change the Regime after weakening Eritrea economically and militarily for almost a decade of sanctions fully supported by its Masters!.
          -That it was the same PMMZ,(Yes indeeed,the dead-for-good PMMZ)that publically declared to set up Refugee Camps in the Tigray Desert to deprive Eritrea from its Youth so that the EDF and Eritrea’s Economy will collapse over-night.
          -That it has been the same TPLF Hassad that sent classified and official Memos to all its Embassies and the Pseudo-Eritrean Puppet Oppositions to block the EU Funds for Eritrea while begging twice as much for itself from the same EU.
          -That it has been the same TPLF that engineered and funded the SEMG and the COIE with the FULL SUPPORT and BLESSING of its Masters at the UN
          Read Amb Cohen and listen to PMMZ @TN.Com and get back to me ASAP.

          • Lamek

            Wow, hope tesfa. All I can say is mhret yewridelka.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hope,
            I read your post Sir, you are comic. what reply can you expect for your post above – when will I stop laughing and reply.

            I don’t know if readers had time to read your post here, but believe me after reading Saay7’s post if they will read this one, they will not be able to press letters on their computers..(ቱሽ ቱሽ ኢልካና).

            Hope, really you are not PFDJ supporter. you are against PFDJ. But if you are really serious they will remove you from their list.

  • Ted

    Hi DD, personal issue aside, let talk about technical interpretations of things “I DO NOT SEE POLITICS AS A CITIZENSHIP RIGHT” and to Nitricc ” Your political affiliation should not be used as a deteriment for your citizenship right ” . Even to make it less touchy, i use Abi the Ethiopian as the case study. The question is, can Abi be affiliated with PFDJ?

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Ted,

      Please, please, please, do not involve other people in our debate. If you want me add it up for you here I am. You can ask anything.

      You have time until tomorrow as I am heading back to work on Monday. From then on I will resume my observational duty.

      • Ted

        Hi DD, i have no interest asking you about this issue no more. But allow me to say my observation what happened between Ethiopians and Eritreans politicians in different groups. Before the war broke out between the two countries, the late PMMZ was regarded as modern day hero restoring Ethiopia’s integrity yadi yadi yada. Then it happened, the PM failed to deliver the presumed result to his party. his party got split and he was called names “Deqalu|” (he is Eritreans working for PFDJ in TPLF) TPLF member’s CITIZENSHIP GOT QUESTIONED. The same is true in my side too that many got accused including IA working for their ancestors party TPLF. The take home message is people, if nothing, at least inquire if the Party members working on their behalf are their people and it is in their right to do so.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Ted,

          Really am sorry. I was out on social call and could not follow the conversation. Plus, time differences and such …. I see your observation but what does that got to do with me? I am not being rude here. I mentioned how I ended up joining TPLF in its last days of the war. Within that time frame there were other EPLF members as well. I was told to leave and I left. That was in 1991:

          1. I knew it was not permanent thing and
          2. I was going to University anyways.
          3. I had family members asking me to come back for business reason.

          While in the university, I had encounters with EPLF operatives that went really sour on many occasions. But nothing else with the TPLF. In fact I was an urbanite and used to only hang out with my type. So I finished my studies and left the country. Nothing else with neither party until my passport expired.

    • Amde

      Ted,

      Technically speaking, there are a lot of political systems where the citizen has no right to be involved in the political process. Traditional Monarchy is one – in such a country you were involved in politics if you were born of some recognized bloodline. Chinese Communist style country is another – it is a country of 1.2Bln whose “parliament” is in session for the grand total of 10-14 days every year. Higdefawi Eritrea is another – where a theoretical constitution dictating the how and when of the citizen’s right in politics have been suspended indefinitely. In all of these cases, politics is a privilege given to a few. The citizen’s role is to pay their taxes and to obey.

      Citizens’ involvement in politics being recognized as a right is basically an artefact of the western democracy tradition. In terms of human history it is very recent. Even in USA, the right to run for office or to vote historically did not encompass everyone. Originally, you had to be someone of some property, while and male. That right was gradually extended.

      Amde

      • Ted

        Hi Amde, thanks, on the other side of the spectrum, there is controversial argument going on that all are not created equal to make informed political decisions. It is much more than restricting people based on physical criteria(citizenship, prisoners, felons) but it deeper that it is based on their intellectual capacity. If it is true how do we go around it. People like George Bush had exploited this kind of phenomenon. As scary as it sound, it has tracking from social scientists and political scientists. The current VOTER ID LEGISLATION, some argue, is one way of sifting out the presumed unfit or incapable voters. So China got it right ,the chinese communist party members are the chosen capable public servants who made the informed decision for their people. It is working. Higdefawit Eritrea?, let the dust settle first 🙂

        Ethiopia on the other hand, first and foremost, has to get out from this region/ethnicity politics as if it life depended on it. I suggest ~200 qualified central committee from four corners of Ethiopia to lead the country with party members(cadres) in every village to implement the agenda of central committee. Voila.

        DD is being a little sensitive. Can i ask you this, only in technical terms, can you, as Ethiopian, be affiliated with PFDJ or Sudan’s national congress party.

        • Amde

          Ted,

          The system you are proscribing for Ethiopia was already tried. It was called the Derge era, WPE. How old are you? (Am asking because I want to know what your perspective is).

          I don’t really understand what you are asking. I thought it was obvious what DisDonc was saying. He was screwed by the policies that emerged out of the political processes in Ethiopia and Eritrea and he decided to move on. Lucky for him, he was in a position to move forward and make a comfortable life for himself. It was his rights as a citizen that were taken from him. The political parties are irrelevant.

          You are conflating party membership to citizenship. Very dangerous.

          Amde

          • Ted

            Hi Amde, Those were different times ,apples and oranges with what i proposed. First there were no peace that war was raging from the North syphoning all Ethiopian resources and secondly, it was crude Military socialist system.What i proposing is and the Key word “qualified people by the people” from all walk of life and ethnicity as ONE party to chose the mode of system Ethiopia ought to be governed be socialist or capitalist. Ethnic tension(Ethiopia killer) will be gone!
            I know what he saying and it was not what i asked you. It is my last attempt here about citizenship right. To be AFFILIATED to certain political party is to be able to make decisions for the people you belong. That is where your citizenship come to be questioned. Ted Cruz is born in Canada , he is questioned about his citizenship as republican party member to hold the office. What is wrong with that? It is not that dangerous, is it?

          • Amde

            Ted,

            What i consider “qualified” would probably not pass muster for you. That is life. People are different and for the most part, consensus is temporary.

            The “one party” thing is again a tried concept. If the WPE and PFDJ eras are not acceptable examples for you, then I will state that the Monarchic era was also in a sense a one party era. Basically, everyone that was involved with politics and/or governance was a member of one continuous group that agreed with or acquiesced to a set of rules and institutions. As you can see, such an arrangement was not able to address all issues.

            I think you are too enamored of the idea of a political party. A political party is just an organization. Being affiliated with a party has some bearing with your intention, but it is an iffy proposition. If you are lucky, the party will do worthy things aligned with your values or intentions. Most often though, it just becomes an organization for meeting the selfish interests of a few that are at the helm of this organization.

            There is a reason why the US constitution does not mention parties at all. People are supposed to send their elected representatives to congress and that’s all. Theoretically the congress should be full of people that are all independents. In fact the founders warned against parties. But it did not take long to figure out that to get some kind of consensus in the congress, it would be necessary to have a mechanism to assure that “like-minded” people get to end up in those seats. And hence that is how the parties were born, at least in the US.

            Your rights as a citizen should be known and respected whether you agree, disagree or are indifferent to the policies of a specific political party. Otherwise, you won’t be a citizen everytime a new party is in power.

            The question about Cruz has nothing to do with whether he is a Republican or Democrat. It is straightforward. There are rules in the constitution as to what sort of person is qualified to be president, one of which is that he has to be a “natural born citizen”. His competitors think he does not meet that qualification, and they are threatening to use it against him.

            Amde

          • Ted

            Hi Amde, thank you for the explanation but the argument got lost in the translation, in short, it goes around the idea that it would be a conflict of interest Eritrean be member of TPLF and Ethiopian be member of PFDJ. I accepted DD’s explanation, that is all.
            PFDJ needs a big work in the accountability department. In the beginning, It was not created to be like that. Now With implementation of rule of law and justice, it will be fine as its name implies.
            Ethiopia need to try harder than that if you think it is tried. Good luck with the other options but i don’t see it.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Oromiya Aborning?

    Greetings!

    አባላት ማህበረሰብ ኦሮሞ ኣብ ፊት ንፊት ዋይት ሃውስን ሚኒስትር ጉዳያት ወጻእን ናይ ተቓውሞ ሰልፊ አካይዶም

    ኣባላት ማሕበረሰብ ኦሮሞ ኣብ ክልል ኦሮሚያ ይፍጸም ኣሎ ዝበልዎ መቕተልትን ማእሰርትን ደው ክብል ንምሕታት ኣብ ፊት ንፊት ዋይት ሃውስን ሚኒስትር ጉዳያት ወጻእን ናይ ተቓውሞ ሰልፊ የካይዱ ኣለው።

    12.03.2016 00:32

    ዋሽንግተን—

    ካብ ዋሽንግተን ዲሲን ከባቢኡን ከምኡ’ውን ካብ ፔንስለቫኒያ ከምዝተኣኻኸቡ ተፈሊጡ’ሎ። ካብቶም ሰልፈኛታት ሓደ ዝተኣከብሉ ምኽንያት ከምዚ ክብል ይገልጾ።

    ‘ኣብዚ ዝተረኸብናሉ ምኽንያት ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝቢ ኦሮሞ ዝፍጸም ዘሎ ጭፍጨፋን ቕትለትን ብምቅዋም ድምጽና ንምስማዕ እዩ።ኣብዚ ሕጂ እዋን ኣብ ክልል ኦሮሚያ ኣብ ልዕሊ ሰላማዊ ሰልፈኛታት ውግእ እናተኻየደ እዩ። ህጻናት፣ብዕድመ ዝደፍኡን ሰራሕተኛታትን ከይተረፈ በብመዓልቱ ይቕተሉ ኣለዉ።መንግስቲ ነቲ መቐተልቲ ደው ከብሎን ንህዝቢ ዓለም እውን ድምጽና ንምስማዕን ኢና ኣብዚ ተረኺብና ዘለና።’

    ብተመሳሳሊ ኣብ ከተማ በርሊን ጀርመንን ኖርወይን ተመሳሳሊ ናይ ተቓውሞ ሰልፍታት ከምዝተኻየደ ዝበጽሐና ዜና ሓቢሩ።

    ብኻልእ ዜና ኣብዚ ኣብ ዩናይትድ ስቴትስ ክፍለ ግዝኣት ሚኒሶታ ኣባል ቤት ምኽሪ እታ ክፍለ ግዝኣት ዝኾና ሬና ሞራን ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ክልል ኦሮሚያ ዘሎ እዋናዊ ኩነታት ብዝምልከት ሓደ ረቂቕ ናብ ናይቲ ክፍለ ግዝኣት ባይቶ ኣቕሪበን።

    ሬና ሞራን ነቲ ቤት ምኽሪ ኣብ ዝሓለፈ ሰሉስ ኣብ ዘቕረብኦ ረቂቕ መንግስቲ ኢትዮጵያ ኣብ ክልል ኦሮሚያ ንሰላማዊ ሰልፈኛታት ዝሃቦ ከቢድ ምላሽ ኣተሓሳሲቡኒ ይብል።

    ኣሰሓሓቢ ማስተር ፕላን ኣዲስ ኣበባ ብምቅዋም ኦሮሞ ተማሃሮ ተቓውምኦም እንተስምዑ እውን መንግስቲ ካብ ዓቐን ንላዕሊ ሓይሊ ተጠቒሙ እንተወሓደ 78 ሰባት ሞይቶም፣ብኣማኢቲ ዝቁጸሩ ቆሲሎምን ኣሽሓት ድማ ከምዝተኣስሩን እቲ ረቂቕ ይዝርዝር።

    ኣባላት ቤት ምኽሪ ወከልቲ ህዝቢ ሚኒሶታ ድማ ነቲ ረቂቕ ክፍርምሉ ሓቲተን ኣለዋ።

    ምሉእ ትሕዝቶ ኣብዚ ምስማዕ ይክኣል።

    http://tigrigna.voanews.com/content/oromia-community-in-usa-demonstration/3232468.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Gheteb,

      What makes Ethiopian government more advanced than Mafia group is they have a system and they always do their best to solve their internal problems. Even though PFDJ is working day and night to disturb Ethiopian people, Ethiopian government still believes solving internally is the first priority. some days back when Ethiopian government sent the warning massage we all discussed and debated. The peace lovers had one clear stand – Eritrea should not interfere and exploit the situation- Eritrea has it’s own problems to solve. And Ethiopians should solve their own problems as no external body will have chance to play like PFDJ did if solved first inside.

      now Eritrean government had already returned the people who were captured in Humera area -ህግደፍ ክብረተውሻ እዩ ዝጸፋፍዖ እዩ ዘፍትወሉ ::.But now Eritrean government knows very well what will happen if war broke.

      the wise Ethiopian government knows what to say and when. now here is what PM is saying.
      http://m.tigrigna.voanews.com/a/pm-hailemariam-desalegn-response-to-the-unrest-in-oromia-and-other-regions/3229665.html

      I hope PFDJ will stop playing the game again – kidnapping people of Ethiopia, secretly sending money and other working materials to Ethiopian opposition. etc.

      so let everybody do his home work. you are day and night dreaming to see disturbed Ethiopia and never not watching what is going on in Eritrea. do you read what world is saying? just one http://www.eritreadaily.net/News2016/article201603091.htm

      worry about your own home before worrying about others…”ኣብዘይ መንጠቢትክን ኣይተእትዋ ኢድክን” ::

      • Nitricc

        Hi Kokhob; hoping and wishful thinking is free but when you ignore the truth and lose of human life; you are exposed naked for all to see. to tell you the truth; your Weyane-thugs days are numbered. Your allegiance with Weyan thugs over the people of Ethiopia and Tigray is disgraced. don’t you worry about your thugs attacking Eritrea; they are on the run for their life. the oppressed people of Ethiopia will prevail.
        as we say in Eritrea
        ወትሩ ዓወት ንሓፋሽ !!!

        • Kokhob Selam

          Hi gentle man,
          Look the difference, look at your style, think for a moment tell me what useful thing you have said on this. This is the difference.

    • ‘Gheteb

      An Addendum (I)

      Greetings!

      The Oromos Demand Self- Rule And A Votary Of Al- ahbash’s Hypnagogic Hallucination

      Now The International Business Time is reporting about the Oromo upraising and their demand for SELF-RULE. You can read the story….

      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/oromo-protesters-we-are-still-streets-because-we-want-self-rule-1548661

      These development that Oromiya is aborning has sent shock waves down the spines of the disciples of the Al- ahbash group.
      After the Friday prayer, all Al- ahbash members attended an emergency meeting in which they were given an update about the political crisis and the mass upheavals that Abyssinia is facing these days.

      Votaries of the Middle Eastern branch of Al- ahbash movement, as rule eat their lunch at the end of such meetings. In the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia, the treat or food du jour is Kabsa, which is rice and mutton cooked with a copious amount of oil.
      It was after consuming a large portion of Kabsa that Kokhob Selam ( Mr. Star War) that was served for lunch after the Friday prayer, he goes back to his house/residence.

      Once at home, Kokhob Selam (Mr. Star war) could literally feel the weight of the Kabsa he has ingested. When starts writing his comments/posts he is literally in the mid of hypnagogic hallucination and hence all the nonsensical drivels that he pounds out.

      Time permitting, I will case study this votary of Al- ahbash who sports the nick Kokhob Selam, but actual he should be monickered as Mr. Star war for his appetites for war and the war mongering piffle that he vomits day in and day out in this Forum.

      • Ted

        Hi Gheteb, it is not only the Al-ahbash doing the meeting, it is also mentioned in State dinner that our friends from south has been affected with food shortage. Is it worthy of state dinner announcement? Definitely not but It their way of saying TPLF should be ready for thorough colonoscopy and how things are going, they know the prognosis of is not that favourable. Once again lucky Ethiopia is at the mercy of the West.

        • Kokhob Selam

          yest Ted,

          Eritrean will not be at mercy of the west..I think they are pulling back the 2 million. good news isn’t it? that is wise decision really, I was wondering how they are supporting PFDJ while it is working to make Eritrean a failed state.

          • Ted

            HI KS, you are worshiping the wrong Gods. Do you think lack of 50 million dollar a year collapse PFDJ. Did you learn afan Oromo yet?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,
            Did I say so? I am talking about peace my dear..isn’t the reason you and your boss giving ” our enemy is Weyane, US all the world” that don’t let us have peace? isn’t you guys telling us we can’t make any progress due to “Bademe” ? let it be solved and see you exposed more and let the mass knew what you die hard supporters are wishing…failed poor nations. that is what I mean.

          • Ted

            Hi KS, now you are talking, when the bademe issue is solved , PFDJ has to prove worthy of our support.You better count on it , our people deserve better than the status quo.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,
            I wish Badme issue is over. we all want that to end but it is not in our hand – we are helpless as it is under Ethiopians and Eritrea is under PFDJ. I don’t believe that will be solved while PFDJ is there. the confilict now is not between Ethiopian government and Eritrean government but between Ethiopian government and PFDJ. PFDJ is very narrow group who hold power by force. PFDJ is not responsible even a single man including his own members – not even Ted, poor Ted,

      • ‘Gheteb

        Of Kabsa And The Confusion Of Case Study A ( Addendum (II)

        Kokhob Selam ( Mr. Star War, really) has confused Kabsa for Kebessa, I mean the Eritrean highlands.

        Wanna know what Kabsa looks like? Here you can check what Google has to offere

        https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b6/ed/b8/b6edb8a5e161af5a6dd54c9006970f47.jpg

        What is mind-bendingly curious is the fact that after Kokhob Selam posted such a comment, he or someone has removed that comment. Now that is something to write home about.

        Now, what could have induced such a confusion for Kokhob Selam , Mr. Star War to think erroneously that Kabsa to be Kebessa? Well, even after munching and ingesting Kabsa, he is still obsessively thinking about “The Habesha people” of Eritrea and hence Kabsa morphs to Kebessa in his mind.

        This similar to what an insanely obsessed Abyssinian would think when he sees a sign on the door of an Abyssinian restaurant that says ” ቦታው ክፍት ነው” and misconstrues in his mind as “ቦታው ክትፎ ነው”. I mean he transforms the word “ክፍት” to “ክትፎ” in his mind. In the same vein that Kokhob Selam transformed Kabsa to Kebessa.

        Speaking about the confused Abyssinian fundamentalists, Case Study(A), Made, continues in his mangling and incorrectly using English words. To add to CS(A)’s repertoire of incorrectly and wrongly used words here comes another addition: PROSCRIBE for PRESCRIBE. The list is growing by the day and thus laying to waste CS (A)’s false sense of arrogance and faux air of ‘intellectualism’.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Gheteb,
          I really don’t know why my comment was removed, who remove it..but it was on hold for sometime. It doesn’t matter there is only a view on your label and it will not be that important for those intelligent once. regarding the word Kbssa -thank you for introducing me.. “it is unexpected lesson from KEBIS and EBLIS” .use to say my friend when he learn something from someone who don’t know about the subject. as such I am sure you don’t know about kebesse more than Kokhob Selam..Lol. It was just to to know why you brought it that I try to make my self confused.

          people are more interested to learn than to talk nonsense with someone who is far in this cyber world. we are not in fighting field. leave that to our heroes – SERAWIT HIDRI. I have something for you ..Never think Eritrean case will be solved by creating mess in Ethiopia..Never. EPRDF is administrating his own nation and even today the mass will throw them, there is will be another Ethiopian leadership and will have it’s new stand on Eritrean case. God forbid if Ethiopia will have another government while Eritrea is under PFDJ it almost sure Eritrea may not be there as nation – as you are not going to be there and you will continue talking from far about KITFO that you miss and about Kbssa you try to introduce us.

          regarding edge, you don’t have to teach me anything as I know what to do in which edge. but for your information – “ብብርኩ ዝትንፍስ ጎበዝ እየ”. that is what I feel. I never feel older than any young PFDJ supporter.

  • Lamek

    If I were PFDJ right now, I would be scared.

    ke’maalkum.

    Press release

    For immediate release

    Wednesday 9 March 2016

    Launch of All-Party Parliamentary Group on Eritrea

    New group gives key outlet in UK Parliament for debate and inquiry into human rights abuses in Eritrea

    A cross-party group of Parliamentarians today formed the new APPG on Eritrea. Matthew Pennycook, MP for Greenwich and Woolwich, was elected Chair at an inaugural meeting and AGM. Four Parliamentarians were elected Vice Chairs, specifically Ann Clwyd MP, Patrick Grady MP, Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead, and Jeremy Lefroy MP. Lord Alton of Liverpool and Fiona Bruce, MP for Congleton, were also present.

    You can find the entire press release on Snitna dot com.

    • Hope

      Lamek:
      Too late now!
      But there is NOTHING new here!

      -Do you remember the:
      -Amnesty International Plot?

      -Do you remember the Massawa Fenkil Celebration time ” Assasination Attempt”?

      -Do you remember the MOSSAD Assasination plot caught up at Asmera Airport?

      -Do you know the role of the Evil British Gov and its Agents in MESSING UP up Eritrea?

      -Do you know the role of the BBC and its Agents,including Patrick Gilks?
      What have they achieved so far?
      If you a Patriotic ERITREAN Citizen ,why are you excited about the Evil British intervention in Eritrea,knowing FULLY ,the dangerous role of the same Evil Empire?
      -What did M-16 achieve in Libya and Iraq?
      Now,if you have a serious GUT and COURAGE,please answer the above questions!
      -Plus,you are on RECORD with your sister ,HA,advocating for bombing and invading Eritrea by the same bloody enemy of Eritrea in the name of Regime Change.m
      Basically you are ELLULATING that the M-16 and the Special Royal Force called…..will bomb Eritrea in the name of Regime.
      If you have the GUT and COURAGE,why don’t you go to Asmera and kidnap PIA rather than begging the bloody enemies of Eritrea to do the dirty job for you ?

      • Lamek

        Hi Hope. Sorry my friend. My job is not to answer to PFDJ stooges. I have more bad news for you though. Please read below from the great Professor Mirjam van Reisen.

        “Goodmorning friends!

        Good News! Yesterday we were in the European Parliament for the Debate. Today the European Parliament will vote a resolution. There was a press conference with fr Mussie and Kubrom Dafala Hosabay, Zecarias Gebreab and MEP Marie-Christine Vergiat (Member of the European Parliament – MEP).

        The good news is that in the debate unanimously all the political groups raised serious concerns over EU aid. The MEPs repeated many of the concerns you have raised. They talked about the problems: aid will get in the hands of the dictatorship, it will not benefit the people, it will strengthen the regime, it will not stop people fleeing the country, it will not resolve poverty, there is no control on how it is spend, no projects can be carried out because everyone is in slavery and the Eritrean regime has announced that it will not end the indefinite national service.

        All political parties agreed on these points and they are asking the European Council to listen to the concerns of the European Parliament, as should happen in a democracy.

        In the press conference fr Mussie asked for the European Union not to give aid to Eritrea. It will not benefit the people, he said. Kubrom Dafla Hosabay said the aid would end up in the wrong hands. Zecarias Gebreab told MEPs why he fled from the regime. The European Parliament also discussed that the regime continues to control refugees here in Europe.

        Today is a very important day as the European Parliament will vote a resolution on Eritrea. It looks as if it may adopt a strong resolution with the support of all the political groups from left to right. I will post this afternoon, hopefully good news!!”

  • dawit

    Dear AMAN,
    Sorry AMMN, I was planning to respond to you comment after I read it, but some how I was distracted by other matters. Yes lot events are interconnected. Take for example the Portuguese and Ottoman Empires rivalry in our region to control the slave trade from Abyssinia. People may think the war between King Gelawdiwos and Grange Mohamed simply a religious war. In my opinion it was a proxy war fought between the Super Powers of the era fighting for economic power, and they found two dummies in our region arming them to destroy themselves. So eventually the Turks dominated the slave rout through Red Sea. Millions of our people were sold to the slave traders, the so called Mesafinti raiding weak tribes in the region. The rise of Thewodros was actually the result of this slave trade debacle in the region. He wanted to stop this ugly trade and building a strong Ethiopia. Unfortunately his plan was cut short and the door was open for European colonial powers to play another game spearheaded by Britain, France and Italy all trying to control the source of the Blue Nile. Britain cultivated Yohannis and Italy and France was cultivating Menelik to fulfill their dream. The opposition of the Mahadists nationalists in Sudan against the Britain and Turkish rule was facilitated by Yohannis who were attacking the Mahadists from the back Southwest while the British were attacking him from the Northeast. Finally Yohanis lost his head at the battle of Metema, which again opened to Menelik to do the betting of Italy and France in the region. Menelik weakened the northern nationalists, destroy local rivals in central, west and southern traditional rulers. His attack on Somali nationalists open the door for Britain, France and Italy to have a piece of the Horn of African colonies. After securing the costal region along the Red Sea and Indian Ocean, Italy embarked to take over the whole region as part of its plan to establish the New Roman Empire with its base in the Horn of Africa. In the process various nationalist were used to fight one another. So we had Aduwa, Michew, Ogaden, Afabet, Massawa, Bademe wars followed.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear awate friends.

    The man was one of great politicians, although he had very complicated stand in different equations. RIP! I don’t really think he was doing fine after reading his history. as all of us are doing he was searching the truth and he couldn’t choose where to land. may the almighty put him in higher paradise , Amen. I wish to every man who depart from this world to meet haven – without exception. we have to throw everything done in this material world when we talk of death.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello AMAN,
    Thank You!

    • Amde

      Fanti,

      I knew it. There is a viscount or baron in your family tree.

      Amde

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Amde,
        Lots and lots of them actually. Including the self appointed Kegn-azmatch, my father.

        • Amde

          Oh Fanti,

          I gotta tell you this “story” or “anecdote” someone in Maichew told me. Apparently, that area has many minor and major gentry, Qenyazmaches, Dejazmaches, Fitawraris and what not. So, this one man was born from a titled family on his father’s side, but from a commoner on his mother’s side. In any case, he grows up, and when it was time for him to be married, he marries a woman from a titled family herself. The two have a son, who can now claim being not a half-gentry like his dad, but having a full gentry heritage.

          Then many years later, the father and now grown son are travelling with a mule. At first, the father rides the mule, and the trip goes without a problem. Then, seeing as to how the son was getting exhausted, the father comes down and puts his son on the mule. They travel a bit further, and the mule starts acting agitated and tired.

          The father asks: “Yihe beqlo min hono new. Qidim dehna nebber” ( What is the deal with the mule acting strange? It was OK before)

          The son replies: “ke qidimu ye ahunu aTint kebdot new.” (The bones are heavier now than before.)

          Amde

          • Abi

            Hi Amde
            This reminds me of a line from Fiqir Eskemeqabir where Fitawrari said ” abatu sew aydelem, gebere new”.
            In this case that beqlo in your story would have no problem transporting a gebere with no bones.

          • Amde

            Abi,

            Indeed.
            Gebere ma min allew .. miskin geleba new.

            What would you do if it was your son?

            Reminds me of an anecdote I heard about the mogzits for the royal family. They are to know their place all the time, and treat all princes and princesses with al due deference. So when prince X i a tottering 1 year ld, learning to walk, there would be a small platoon of palace retinue, walking right behind, and exclaiming, “wuy getoch, getoch, ebakuot endaywedqu, ene lidefalwot, ene lewdeqiwot”

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            That is beautiful.
            You asked what I would do? I will be riding the mule. When the mule got tired, we both walk. No way a goremsa with heavy bones ride a mule and a self appointed Ras Abi walk. No chance.
            Actually, I am a no-bone from my father side and a heavy bone from my mother side. When my parents got married, my father had hard time adjusting to the new life situations. Good thing he was shipped overseas for further education. He told me this saved his marriage. With higher education and a very good job, he somehow adjusted. He felt a little equal.
            He had to learn how to eat, talk, walk, bow,….
            Tough life, don’t you say?

          • Amde

            Abi,

            I am at a loss if the father was showing fatherly concern, or if he was showing deference to the bone. I think it was the former, in which case it became a case of “bagoresku tenekesku”

            On my side, my father used to tell us that we may have an assemblage of respectable bones from both sides. Hence I am convinced, if the monarchy was still around, I would have been at least a Balambaras by now haha… every qebele deserves one.

            You parents’ story is inspirational. Tough life indeed.

            You know it really makes me appreciate the strength of a woman’s love. Believe me, if your mother had not been resolutely for him, he would be in a much more serious situation.

            We have family friends. During the emperor’s time, she was a child of an important Shoan family that were deep in the HaileSellasie bureaucracy. She falls in love with this commoner. Her family was so against him, they had him thrown in prison. When he got out, they eloped, disappeared and got married. They found someone to hide them while her family frantically searched. They then sent a shimagille, but her parents would not accept him for a long time, and they were in mourning – convinced their daughter has been ruined. After things settled and they patched up, he turned out to be their favorite. He too started out as a commoner, and made something of himself through education and his charm.

            Balambaras

          • Abi

            Tena yisTilign yetekeberu Balambaras

            My father was a tutor for my mother. He nedded the money to survive. I guess he was paid in cash and in kind.
            My grandfather bone didn’t have any line. It is all self made. He was an extremely smart businessman with a little education.
            He was very protective of his daughter to the extent that he didn’t consult my father in many things that could affect the marriage negatively. He wanted my father to run his businesses. My mother was always by her husband side.

            Ras Abi

          • Amde

            Ras Abi,

            No wonder you like Fiqir eske Meqabir. Your father used it as a a textbook. yetemare yigdelegn malet yihe new.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Balambaras
            He was a gold digger.

        • dawit

          Fanti Ghana,
          I believe your father was not self appointed Kegn-Azmatch, but rather the title was bestowed to him by the Italians, just like my father was Blatta for serving honorably the Italian Colonial administration. There were plenty of Kegn, and Gra Azmacis, Fitawraris, Balambarases and Shumbys which Italian used to honor the native with Ethiopian traditional titles. When Haile Sellasie returned from exile he approved their titles and that is why many used it. There were many of those honorable gentlemen driving ‘Gari’ (Carosa) in the country.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey Dawitom,

            Although my father was a little too young during the Italian invasion, I think you may be right. I heard him talk about how he got some reward or accolades for impressing some Italian official or the like. I wouldn’t be surprised if I find out that one official jokingly called him Kegn-azmach one day, and it got to his head.

  • AMAN

    Greetings
    Dear Awate readers and participants

    I always had this point in the past when the Eritrean Opposition was
    laboring too hard to find a feasible way or solution to topple or get
    rid off dictatorship and dictatorial rule of PFDJ in Eritrea and restore
    or put in place rule of law and democratic representative government
    in place. But since everybody was not willing to listen to independents
    outside their party members, I didn’t say it openly.
    But the method is a successful one that worked in a miraculous way to
    free a Nation suffering from the same problem in the past.
    And that is ( the method ).
    To send a human wave of peaceful protesters each holding a Semayawi
    Bandera or flag in one hand and send them across the border ( western,
    central and eastern sections ) by crossing it and moving towards the main
    towns. And in their way believe me many more thousands will join them
    along marching with them. This is the method used by king Hassan of
    Morocco to Liberate Western Sahara republic.
    So I owe it to his wisdom or him.
    No blood spilled in the march of protest while the ruling junta capitulated
    and gave power to the opposition immediately.
    Why not Eritrean Opposition try it ?

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Hope,

    To you, both are brutal thugs. A mi tambien me dan igual ambos.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Hope,

    Many people say that there are similarities between Dire Dawa and Keren. But in Keren there some important ingredients that are missing.

    Dire Dawa was highly multi-ethnic. Italians, Greeks, Armenians, Yemeni Arabs, the French, Somalis, Qotus, Aderes (Hararis), Amharas, Eritreans, Tigrayans, Gurages and many others lived side without any care in the World about the origin of their neighbours.

    Dire Dawa had/still has an active railway line.

    In Dire Dawa, there is that magic maker, Chat/Khat, combined with tea and coffee.

    • Hope

      Selamat Amichew MN:
      Absolutely ,Sir!
      That is why I said a ” bit similar”.
      Let me put the Analogy this way:
      Dire is literally an ” International ” City ” due to its Strategic Location but Keren is a Local prototype of the ERITREAN Culture.
      But Keren also could have been another International City if it had the opportunities Dire has had.
      I wish I was able to chop you with Al’Amin Abdeletif’s Song about Keten characterizing Keren as such.
      ” Keren,Keren,Keren Ad Meshakinta Islemayu Wo Kistenayu Misil nebbir….”
      As far as the Rail Way is concerned,well,I thought that one of the Oldest Rail Ways in AFRICA passes through the city of Cheren,not to mention that Keren was/being the FIRST Capital City of Eritrea and one of the last battle grounds of the Historic World War II.
      In fact,Keten has every potential,way better than that of Diredaws,to be one of the best Tourist hubs in the world,considering its history.
      Diredawa,of course ,has been and will be one of the Top Business Centers if the plan works to make it as such(Hong Kong of Africa or the Dubai of Africa).

      So,it is unfair to compare both cities for obvious reasons.

      But Keren was,and will be the center of every thing good in Eritrea due to its naturally central location.

      Keren weather is not as bad as that of Diredawa but prob one of the best in the World.

      • dawit

        Dear Cousins

        The Town that changed the course of history of the world. Cheren! Without Keren victory the world would have been singing ‘High Hitler’!

        https://youtu.be/BDaP1jAZlFA

        dawit

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Hope,

    I do mind. You can connect the dots, for yourself if you so wish….

    • Abi

      Hi D D
      I tried and failed to connect the dots at the end of your comment .

      • Dis Donc

        Lol, Derasiw Abi, that was really funny!

      • Nitricc

        HI Abi; I normally don’t have the interest to know what people do; but since you failed let me assume about DD. Since he disclosed that he went MIT; one assumption that makes sense is that he got to do with Energy sector.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Nit,
          You are a bright kid.

          • Hope

            DD:
            He ” exposed” you!
            That is he is a General!
            But what mesmerized me about him is that he eloquently and perfectly clarified in simple Psychology 101 terms as to why ERITREANS are so “mean and short-tempered”
            I hope Abi et al understand this.

            Yes,indeed,the environment we were /will be brought up determines who and what we will be and how we will act!
            In the event and case in point,the ERITREAN case scenario is but a Classic and Practical
            Science and Psychology 101 in its/their real sense.
            Hence,NO justification,whatsoever to blame ERITREANS,who have gone thought HELL for over a Centuary .
            The TRAUMA ,indeed, is beyond any one’s imagination!
            What would you feel an infant burnt up alive in front of you on a day light or a Pregnanty Sister being stabbed with a dirty Byonette,not to mention the daily bombardment and burning and Mosques into ashes packed with people ?

            Yes,the past is past but it affects the present!

        • Abi

          Hi militia wetader Nitricc
          You missed the sarcasm big time. I was talking about the ” dots” at the end of his comment.
          Where is Saay?
          Now, you have to come back with a joke to earn your toothless title back.
          Welaqa!

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Hope,

    Background check? Suffering? Oh boy, do you understand English? You are not allowed to interject!!

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello AMAN,
    I will be waiting for the rest of the story with heightened anticipation.
    Thank…
    ( I will put the ‘You’ after you finish).

  • tes

    Dear Awate Readers,

    Here I have something to share from an EPDP website that is exposing a serious war crimes committed by Eritrean Defense Force. For more, read the link attached below.

    http://harnnet.org/index.php/articles-corner/english-articles/item/2496-from-pfdj-s-anti-humanity-crimes-that-need-to-be-exposed-before-it-gets-late

    I do not know why Sudan is keeping her relationship with a regime that has committed so much over her own sodliers that were supposed to be treated through international war laws.

    tes

    • Nitricc

      Hi Tes, i used to think you are better than this. dude, get a grip. what is going on with you? i know you are a little slow but never thought this…. OMG!

    • T..T.

      Hi tes,

      The author of the article is calling on those who know about Isayas’s 1997 attack of Kassala. According to Kassala police records based on survivors and victims of Kassala attack, the following is part of the story.

      In 1996, Isayas put units of different Sudanese opposition along the Sudan-Eritrea border region allowing them to be militarily active. What the Eritreans In Kassalla region don’t forget is that In March 1997 Isayas forces attacked, having among them some recognizable SPLA members, and killed 300 (three hundred) innocent Eritreans. Some victims and survivors who were silenced by Turabi, now with him gone, may soon start to speak up. These crimes committed by Isayas may toughen up the awaiting UN action against him.

    • Dear Tes,
      I had read that during the 1998-2000 war, while all african countries and the whole world were condemning the two countries for the foolish war, sudan was the only country that was happy about war. It was difficult for me to understand why a neighbor would behave in such a way. Seeing the time period and the facts you brought out , now it is easy to explain.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Pseudologia Fantastica A La The Denizens Of Planeta Abyssinicus

    Selam All,

    I intend to register through this post the lies, the damn lies and the shameless dissimulations of certain denizens of Planeta Abyssinicus. Here I am particularly referring to TWO inveterate liars plus another confirmed liar. The latter is non other than the person who sports the nick Hayat Adem who has finally fessed up that the recent “TPLF Air Force attack on Eritrea” was a hoax wrapped on a white lie that emanated straight from TPLF Central. The two inveterate liars are Made and Kim Hanna.

    The lies started with Kim Hanna asserting that ‘Gheteb and AMAN are one and the same person. He went to a great length to prove that AMAN in the day morphs to ‘Gheteb at night. He provided anything and everything that his mind could engender and even limned the living conditions, residence and whatever else that he could ‘think’ of and posted it right here in this forum. ( Please, check EXHIBIT 1)

    Right on cue and as if he had a prior knowledge that his Abyssinian brethren was going to post such a comment, Made right off bat responded and proffered his opinions, insults, derogatory remarks and derisive mocking and ridicules. Without even a second’s hesitation, Made went off as if he was talking about his mother’s or father’s slaves or servants and unleashed his colored opinions that are the result of utter arrogance, unmitigated bias and definitely of an unhealthy mind.

    Today, as if they have absolutely nothing wrong they are unabashedly trying to befriend and cheer up AMAN. This is after these two inveterate liars have had their field day taking other peoples names and reputations through the mud. I mean after laughing their hearts out and scornfully and contemptuously deriding both ‘Gheteb and AMAN, here they are today trying to act as if all is hunky- dory.

    Without proffering an alphabet of retraction; without showing an iota of remorse and without uttering even a syllable of an apology, here they are the two inveterate liars dissimulating, feigning and posing as if they have done absolutely nothing wrong. And I am telling them that they ain’t fooling me. I exactly know what their intentions and motives were and I also know it has a lot to do with their Abyssinian culture.

    To check how they are kissing up and pandering to AMAN after they have mocked, ridiculed and have taken his reputations through the mud, check EXHIBIT 3.

    The thing is the utter arrogance, the hauteur, the temerity and the unmitigated chutzpah that these two liars have evinced is repugnantly and nauseatingly sickening.

    Finally, this is my way of registering an incidence for future reference.

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    EXHIBIT 1

    Kim Hanna ‘Gheteb • 9 days ago

    Selam Awatistas,
    .
    I wanted to post this revelation here to make sure the context and background stays the same.
    As an average Ethiopian, Getab has nothing to say to me and I have absolutely nothing to say to him. Nevertheless, everyone else need to see the actual and abstract picture here, the big picture so to speak.
    .
    I am questioning whether this Getab and that AMAN are one and the same person. The illogic planet they come from is the same. The detachment and floating style is the same among other characteristics.
    Pulling it all together, it becomes very clear to me. During the day I believe, AMAN/Getab, uses a hand held device to post his thoughts. The thoughts, as they are, are concise and methodical, a sense of being rushed is noticeable. I contend that it is probably because he is in traffic or is at work.
    Now GETAB is AMAN when he get home to his studio apartment. He is a little relaxed, a little calm, and puts on his game face to defend Eritrea.
    He has a large desk with a lot of papers on it. On the desk besides the computer, he has several editions of over used thesaurus books. The dominant feature of the apartment is the one legged podium where the world’s largest English dictionary, opened two third of the way, stand.
    The long posts you read and enjoy emanates from this apartment.
    .
    I said revelation today because the acid test of AMAN/Getab’s interpretation (his mind) of what he sees (his eyes) is a testament and proof positive of his warped being.
    .
    The Picture:
    As a hardliner, one can say that the fire hydrant and water is directed to douse out the Arab occupation force at ASEB.
    At the other end one can also say the fire hydrant and water is directed to a troubled area to bring calm and tranquility.
    Either of these statements do justice to The Picture, NOT his …choice of a fire hydrant is appositely felicitous.
    .
    I prey that the picture is not altered to protect the guilty.
    .
    Mr. K.H
    P.S:
    I say Getab intentionally, as in etiobia.

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    EXHIBIT 2

    Amde Kim Hanna • 9 days ago

    Ato KH,

    Haha… I don’t know who is going to be more offended… AMAN or Gheteb.

    Gheteb is simple and just a run of the mill reactionary, but likes to brandish his impressive vocabulary.

    AMAN is a tortured soul who has yet to make up his mind as to whether or not he is Ethiopian or Eritrean. He wants to place the Eritrrean Ghedli as a worthy chapter of Ethiopian (sorry Abyssinuan) history. For someone like Gheteb obsessed with “Abyssinian fundamentalism”, you can see how this would be a no no.

    It is just not clear who AMAN is conversing with…. his posts could almost be read as if they are separate paragraphs from one piece, each posted on a separate forum, or separate thread. Almost like some kind of performance art.

    Amde

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    EXHIBIT 3

    Kim Hanna AMAN • 16 hours ago

    Selam AMAN,
    .
    AMAN is a brand, here at Awate University. I am glad you decided to keep your nick.
    .
    Fanti and K.H will go back to their normal selves, now that AMAN is back on his saddle.

    Amde AMAN • 8 hours ago

    Selam AMAN,

    I concur with Mr. KH.

    I am glad you decided to keep the nick.

    You do bring some thought provoking things to the forum, but they are sometimes so out of context it is hard to make sense of them.

    ————————————————–

    • Lamek

      Contextualizing Gheteb’s vocabulary for dummies.

      Kema’alkum Awatinos.

      Unusual word #1: limned

      “He provided anything and everything that his mind could engender and even limned the living conditions, residence and whatever else that he could ‘think’ of and posted it right here in this forum.”

      We use the parallel technique here. Limned and provided have to be related, because the second action is a continuation of the first action. In the first part, “…he provided information…” and in the second sentence, “he continued to do so..” He here is Kim Hana. Limned would have to be a word similar but stronger than provided. Thus, yours truly concludes that “limn” must mean something along the lines of “to describe in detail or vividly.”

      Unusual word #2:chutzpah

      “The thing is the utter arrogance, the hauteur, the temerity and the unmitigated chutzpah that these two liars have evinced is repugnantly and nauseatingly sickening and it stinks all the way to high heaven.”

      Here is a list of the words with which chutzpah was associated in one sentence: utter arrogance, hauteur, temerity and unmitigated chutzpah. So chutzpah is a word related with the former three. Note also that the word is modified with a strong adjective, unmitigated. I am going to concluded chutzpah means impudence.

      I figured most of the other words, Awatinos would know without my “Contextualizing Gheteb’s vocabulary for dummies.”

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Minister of THE Pen: Lamek,
        .
        Someone near and dear to me once said, ….Balegen and gize bicha sidebew.
        .
        What can I say, other than from now on, I will “SEVERLY” ignore him. (I mean it.) Irrespective of him being a target rich opponent for satire.
        .
        Lamek, as to you I will continue to read your posts.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Abi

          Hi Kim
          Balegen ande sidebew, erasun sisedib yinoral.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Oh! my God! all these years I thought….
            .
            I stand corrected, yours is complete.
            .
            Thanks a million,
            .
            Mr. K.H

        • Lamek

          Hi K.H., don’t be offended by Gheteb. Just read it as if he you are not in the picture. It is really hilarious stuff that he writes. I got more curious because I thought you and Amde were very reasonable and well informed. But he is picking on you two. That got me curious. He is not personally targeting you nor Amde. He has a much bigger, grand plan and that is to make sure Abyssinians do not dominate the horn. I think he lives in fear. I don’t want to find myself on his wrong side so I will end here, but you should hang in there.

          • Amde

            Selam Lamek,

            The thing is, what he is saying, the Abyssinian fundamentalist stuff, is old and tired argument. You heard it in the 60s, 70s, 80s maybe. It had some utility as a tactical argument at some point, but it was basically bullshit. I specifically started commenting on Awate.com after just being a lurker for years because I saw Saay kinda repeat it a number of times, and I felt he should know better. BS is good if you are selling it to somebody, but bad when you start believing it yourself. In my opinion, it is the number one reason Somalia is a failed state and Eritrea is in ICU.

            Then, he thinks he can tie his idea of Abyssinian Fundamentalism with the supposed inferior mental state of people he disagrees with. It would be a bit concerning if it was among actual people. But in an anonymous internet comment board? Nobody gives a bull couscous.

            I don’t think he has a grand plan. He is just seeking approval/validation from someone. My guess is some official in the PFDJ machinery, or an ex-EPLF tegadalay relative of his (Currently living or dead – does not matter).

            Don’t be afraid of him – if anything, he is more likely to hurt himself. Otherwise he got nothing.

            Amde

    • Amde

      ‘Gheteb,

      Such a good boy.

      You did not misspell my name once. .Nice to see you do as you are told.

      Amde

    • ‘Gheteb

      An Addendum To Previous Observations

      CS, Made, has regressed so badly and showing an acute case of amnesia and some other stuff.

      Now CS is saying something interesting about Abyssinian fundamentalism.

      ” The thing is, what he is saying, the Abyssinian fundamentalist stuff, is old and tired argument. You heard it in the 60s, 70s, 80s maybe. It had some utility as a tactical argument at some point, but it was basically bullshit. I specifically started commenting on Awate.com after just being a lurker for years because I saw Saay kinda repeat it a number of times, and I felt he should know better. BS is good if you are selling it to somebody, but bad when you start believing it yourself. In my opinion, it is the number one reason Somalia is a failed state and Eritrea is in ICU”.

      Two days ago, this what CS said about AF ( Abyssinian fundamentalism).

      ” Made> ‘Gheteb 4 days ago

      ‘Gheteb

      I admit to both your accusations. I am a proud Abyssinian fundamentalist You should try it. That you are a reactionary. Although I don’t remember ever uttering the phrase “deformed identity” when discussing Eritrea and Eritreans. Just not my style.

      This is rich. I mean very, very rich. Four days ago CS was a proud Abyssinian fundamentalist and today CS is declaring is sort of irrelevant and dead. The question is how can one be a proud Abyssinian fundamentalist if the very political outlook is irrelevant or dead. That is going to be CENTRAL in the ongoing evaluation of CS.
      Another observation is “Deformed identity —> Eritrea in ICU Vs. Abyssinian Fundamentalsim

      Here is another observation. CS response today revealed something unexpected.

      “Amde > ‘Gheteb • 3 hours ago
      ‘Gheteb
      You did not misspell my name once. .Nice to see you do as you are told.
      Such a good boy.
      Made
      Today CS was subjected by a stressor for his pseudologia fantastica by exposin g to the naked truth and this stress was severe on CS was literally on hyper-shocked status in which CS was ‘misperceiving’ in the sense that he thought that he is a SLAVE OWNER. CS’s response indicates that he used the word “boy” in referring to a grown man. Now that is something!
      The stressor also hyper-shocked the half-way house resident so much so that he has to go all atavistic and mumble some Teretna Misale in his native tongue, Amharic.

    • tes

      Selamat Gheteb,

      First attempt of yours was to divert politics of Awate Forum and now after you failed SEVERELY you are going for another skirmish trial of diverting discussions. These later posts of yours says a lot about you though.

      tes

  • AMAN

    Greetings AT

    I do not know why teehale came about
    for Rule of law.

    Please read teehale…….as Rule of law

    Thank you

    • Rule of Law

      Selam @ Aman
      I used the nick teehales @ aljazeera briefly however I decided to switch to Rule of Law since I used it on various social media outlets over the last 10 years. What a “major discovery” you nade. What difference does that really make. Why do you dwell off context almost every day in this blog?

  • AMAN

    Greetings
    Awates

    @teehale:disqus
    and
    @Ayneta

    I disagree with both of your points !
    1.First if Turabi was simply a power monger he could have simply
    used the opportunity only for himself without regard to the people
    and without retorting to help them but just by using his qualifications
    and making personal friendship with Al Bashir or one of his cabinet
    members. He have not had to fight Al Bashir at personal or political
    level. But he was not that. He risked his reputation and opportunity
    to champion the cause of his people and supporters.
    2.Unlike you both tried to portray him as a fundamentalist Islamic
    scholar, to the contrary he was rather a progressive and liberal
    at the risk of antagonizing himself in his NIF party which was enormously
    dominated by fundamentalists, Traditionalists and even infiltrated by
    conservative communists. Thus it was Turabi that was betrayed and
    antagonized by the inept party he helped organize and its reactionary
    views and ways and methods.
    3. If HE DIDN’T what was the alternative for Sudan ?
    Simple Answer – A takeover by either the NIF or Military/communist
    and fall either under traditional Islamist state or Military/reformed
    communist state in which neither the former or the later would have
    made it through.
    4. Under the NIF , Most probably Sudan would have ended up being
    like IRAN and under the Military/reformed communist rule it would most
    probably look like EGYPT. But it was neither of the former type nor the
    later under his effort.
    So which one is your choice ? or which one do you prefer ?
    His or the other (one of the two ) ?
    Note that :
    1. It was unimaginable for those two to come and work together.
    2. ( I tried to stick only to the main points leaving the rest as side issues
    or unrelated.

  • AMAN

    Greetings
    Dear All Awates
    I agree with you. There are changes . And it is true
    that sometimes I am not catching up with the changes
    as needed or required of me.
    But what I find it hard to understand is that why change
    for bad or worse. Change has always has to be for the
    better than what one has at hand.
    Sorry to say that but sometimes I see changing for the
    worst by some corners may be by few .
    Or is that me I changed and am changing fast while
    everything us in a STANDSTILL ?
    I am only just trying to locate or find the(our) center point !
    or the center of gravity ! Nothing else.
    Don’t you believe we have come along a long way and
    accomplished a great work / accomplishment to be proud of ?

    peace
    AMAN

  • Rule of Law

    Turabi was an opportunist and had an ax to grind on everything he did throughout his tumultuous political career. A political event that led to his ultimate decline was when he was a speaker of the National Congress in which he attempted to strip Omar Al Bashir of his power one by one and this led to the declaration of state of emergency by Al Bashir in a bid to restore events into the status quo. It is believed Turabi’s affiliates were behind the 1995 assassination attempt of Hosni Mubarak in Addis Ababa. Not only that, in the early 80s, many terrorists including Abu Nidal of the PLO, Osama Bin Laden, Carlos The Jackal, a murderer who had affiliation with palestinian elements belonging to George Habashi had connection with Turabi and operated in the Sudan freely. Again, Turabi was an opportunist and power monger. When he saw every avenue was blocked before him, he started working with the JEM Justice and equality Movement of the ethnic For. (Who in his right mind would join a secessionist movement in order to gain a political foothold using the cause of marginalized community?) Anyways, Albashier was no man to mess around with given the fact that he salaciously eliminated every one he deemed a threat to his absolute monarchy. To mention a few, Birgander Quan, General Alzubair (his one time deputy) the late minister of religious affairs Ghazi Al Sadeq, Ibrahim Shamsaddin whose beautiful wife Albashier later took as his second wife, was a member of the revolutionary command council who died in a mysterious helicopter crash. These military and political figures were sacrificed on behalf of Al bashier’s unchalanged ironfiest rule. Trubi on the other hand, died without fulfilling his dream of becoming president of east african islamic principality. While out of power, he can sound a liberal and tolerant but his years in power paint a totally different picture. in conclusion, what I read here about Turabi is rather Oxymoronic.

  • AMAN

    Greetings to you
    By the way I decided to keep my Nick AMAN for the foreseeable
    future until I will come and let you know.
    Thank you
    AMAN

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam AMAN,
      .
      AMAN is a brand, here at Awate University. I am glad you decided to keep your nick.
      .
      Fanti and K.H will go back to their normal selves, now that AMAN is back on his saddle.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello my most cherished Brother KH,
        Do you know about the Star Trek characters of an alien warrior race called Klingons?
        I kind of forgot the context, but when one Klingon was stating some of the reasons why they hate humans, he says “they introduced the word ‘peace’ into our vocabulary.”

        • Amde

          Fanti,

          Hahaha..

          My favorite Klingon Insult…

          “Your mother has a smooth forehead”

          Amde

        • Abi

          Gashiye
          The answer is I don’t know. My father used to take us for a weekend getaway. We stay at Ras hotel across the street. I remember the dabo. Dabo beshay was my top choice. I remember the Ginchi biscuits very well after millions years.
          What is this simetru, thing? It should be melketiru simetifu , kisara new tirfu…

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Derasiw Abi,

            The guy was bashay or some sort in the army before our time. But I do not know which army because most of these guys came from Sudan. In those days there used to be many kind of armies such as the English, the Italian Ascaris, the Hailesilassie, etc…

          • Abi

            Hi D D
            You are now officially an Ethiopian. your 3.8 gpa is impressive. I don’t even know how I passed ESLCE? I was zelzala. My priorities were a little different.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abush,

            As I told you many times I was always an Ethiopian until I got kicked out and refused of my passport renewal in Washington DC. It was a shame what they did to me, believe it or not. I was at the mercy of the US authorities and PFDJ thugs. My name provokes ugly thoughts/scenes for Ethiopians and when they questioned I told them of my origin. They consulted some kind of list and found my poor mothers name. I assume they got that list from EPLF. Then I turned to an Eritrean passport from Eritrean embassy and the guy asked my origin. I told him that I was from a specific Keren area which was a highly ELF area. He shook his head and told me to go to Eritrea to get some kind of paper. I was livid!!!

            As for the 3.8 it should have been 4.0 if it wasn’t for some jackass who snatched my math question sheet, which I never got it back in time to finish my work. You will be surprised to know that I got an F on Amharic though. That was a tough time to pass anything in those days. In AAU I finished with flying colors which got me scholarship opportunity to a US university…. As they say the rest is history.

          • Nitricc

            ” In AAU I finished with flying colors which got me scholarship opportunity to a US university”

            Hey DD I have always wondered how the African Universities are comparing to the USA once. I am assuming say, AAU will be more harder than the average University in the US. The reason I am assuming this is that say in Ethiopia only the high scorers will get the chance to attend to the University i.e. expected to more competitive and hard to do.
            Is my assumption wrong? Since you attended both systems; that qualifies you to call it.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Nit,

            Your assumption is not wrong. In fact, I took GRE and scored nearly 100% in everything except verbal. It was practically a joke. Their graduate school was even more of a joke than anything else that I had seen. But they have good buildings, lab equipment, books are available as much as you need it, etc…. But you have to pay for everything which we did not do back home. I AM GLAD THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL THERE!!!

            Full Disclosure: To your info I went to MIT.

          • Hope

            Very interesting Stories, DD and Daud:
            Tigrayit and Blenayit Roots!
            Bingo!(Abi,pay attention to the “!!!!”!
            The Salihs,the teses,the Selams,the Hopes,the Zerus,etc—-are all MaideArit “Satiyat”.
            It is,indeed,”Uniquely CONTAGIOUS and GENIUS” that Mai- DeArit”!
            I think Kerenites should develop that Mai-DeArit to a World Class Phamaceutical Company and sell it so that people can have a better and more functional and sensible Brain Cells.
            Like haile TG said it correctly here,in this very Awate University Forum,you see how Eritrea could have done much better with the Leadership of Few Kerenites!
            DD,it is interesting that I have the same or similar story like yours about the Ethiopian thing and the Passport issue.
            Warning!
            This is a story form the “Flip-Flopping and a Lying Hope”!!!
            The Ethiopian Embassy confiscated my Passport after I sent it for renewal but I had a problem getting my Eritrean Passport despite that I had a Special PFDJ Yellow Card and despite that I was up-to-date with 2% Rehab tax and with my “Mekhete” Contribution.
            Forget about the Passport,which was not essential at that time, but it took them a year to replace my Eri ID!
            No clue why.Mind you that I submitted my Old EPLF Membership Profile(but never been a hero though) along with my “Unique ID Number” as an Insider Agent in Keren, to a certain Michael in Washington,DC,the Under-Cover PFDJ Security Chief Agent.and a direct Contact Person to the President’s Office,bypassing the Eritean Embassy.
            The excuse I was given was :” For Security Reasons”.
            Well,they all knew who I was/am and from where I am exactly,as you said it.
            But who cares as that is a past history.
            Abi:
            Speaking of ESLCE(the Ethiopian School Leaving Certificate Exam) GPA,I think I told you before that Eritrea(Eritreans),despite all the hassles,repressions,controls,Terro and restrictions imposed on it /them,used to be Number ONE for years in a ROW.,hence,the top Attendants in Engineering,Medicine and Pharamcy Ethiopian Colleges,for their top GPAs and Top Performance(s),not out of special favor or as an incentive to keep Eritreans from going to Meda(EPLF).
            .
            Plus,the Top Gold Medalists and Achievers in the Ethiopian Colleges and Universities were Eritreans.!!!!!!
            Not to mention that Eritreans were the BACK BONE of the Ethiopian Infrastucture and Economy–like Construction,Transportation,Tourism,Telecommunications,Airlines,Hotels,etc…including the Kioskis,the Dabbo and Cake betoch,the Top Restaurants,…etc..
            Bottom line,Eritreans were and could have been,the Life-line for Ethiopia and Ethiopians and they could have eradicated Poverty,Famine and Infectious and Communicable Diseases incluindg AIDS and TB as well as Malaria,had they been given a single chance..
            And you still curse and demonize Eritreans,who literally, brought to you a United and Free Ethiopia(listen to Abbo Lencho Letta’s ESAT Interview last week).
            .
            And yet,ONLY to be deported in the most INHUMANE WAY, bare -feet and bare-handed losing their Life-Long earnings,worth of Billions of $.
            As a courtesy,I opted not to mention to sue you fora $Trillion(1,000,000,000,000.00) worth of material and human damages incurred upon Eritrea and Eritreans by the successivie Oppressive Ethiopian Regimes.
            But GUESS what?
            As we speak,you see major SIGNS of the time that Eritrea has out-smarted and out-shined all the Evils under the Sun and against all ODDs; and will be jump-starting with NO point of return marching towards the Promised Land,provided you/the enemies leave it/her/us alone!

          • Abi

            Hope
            Stop your nonsense. We are reading interesting stories. No time to talk who is number one . If you don’t have a better story, just read.
            Guregna

          • Ted

            Abi, it due time the chicken to come to roost. Your cloud nine, the GREAT Ethiopian euphoria, is about to be blown to abyss. There is still time and It helps you and your pals read a daily dose of Gheteb, Dawitism(ethiopian version) and Hope for soft landing if you ever care. Since i know what pleases you most, i grant you the last wish to hurl as much hate and contempt you can before it all ends. It has to be new, no Milk stuff.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Hope,

            I would not brag about Eritreans being top achievers. In the university, I met all sorts of people, from all corners of Ethiopia. We were all in the same bag, if you know what I mean. Plus there is an added element of pressure us having to succeed or be nothing and no one. The rest of Ethiopians had other alternatives but not us.

          • Dear DD,

            Even then you do not seem to have hate in you as others. That is the quality of a man/woman of character. If you ask them (the haters), of their childhood and adolescent memories, it is completely Ethiopian. That is part of their life they hate, and want to erase from their memory, if they can.

            If you have seen the last post by Al Jazeera about the life of Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2016/03/eritrean-refugees-ethiopia-160306065928790.html, you can’t help but ask yourself, why Eritreans chose in the first place to disown and become refugees, in a country that was also theirs too. That is where the sin of Eritrean elites lies. All these for the sake of power, which after all, they could have acquired it within Ethiopia. Unfortunately, they hated and despised Ethiopia, and here is the outcome. For some, there is nothing wrong with the life of Eritrean refugees, because they see it as the result of their disloyalty to the emperor of Eritrea; for some other Eritreans, it is another price to be paid until the promised land is finally reached, and for the very few, it has become mind boggling, if it is worth it to pay so much sacrifice for so little.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Horizon,

            As they say, you are as a result of your environment. I grew up in Ethiopia. Albeit hardships we made our life a very successful one. Some other feel differently about it as they were in a different set of environment. And as I mentioned it here on many occasions I see life from business and opportunities point of view. I have no political spectacle. As such I can live anywhere in the world so long as there is democracy and business opportunity.

            As for hate: I learnt long ago that it will only kill you not the other way around!!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; I think the time has come you make up your mind. There are times you tell us as if Ethiopia is USA and heaven and there are times you talk about how everyone is hate Ethiopia. Point black read what you have written to DD on this thread. At one point you display victim mentality by telling us how unfairly Eritreans despised you and at the next sentence shamelessly you have told us to believe how Ethiopia superior and every Eritrean is flooding over there as if Ethiopia is heaven. Listen; no one hates you and you are the one expelled Eritreans because you did not like the color of their eyes.

          • Dear Nitricc,

            Indeed there are many who hate Ethiopia, but that is not Ethiopia’s major problem anymore, because her enemies are fighting for their own very existence right now. Internal and external enemies tried to destroy her and have failed .

            When Eritreans are coming to Ethiopia, they are not coming to an earthly paradise, but they are running away from a dire situation, much worse than that in Ethiopia (listen to what Eritrean refugees are saying on the link). You should have asked yourself why Eritreans are risking their lives to cross in to Ethiopia (an enemy country), rather than belittling Ethiopia’s empathy towards Eritrean refugees.

            You fought Ethiopia for thirty years to separate, you carried out a referendum and voted for secession and took Eritrean citizenship, thus renouncing your Ethiopian citizenship knowing that Ethiopia does not allow dual citizenship, and finally, unprovoked you started a war of aggression against Ethiopia in 1998, and you are asking why you are expelled?

            Ethio-Eritrean antagonism and confrontation is not between two giants, but between two poor countries, the one bigger than the other. Continuing on this road of confrontation is not going to have a happy end.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Horizon,

            “Even then you do not seem to have hate in you as others. That is the quality of a man/woman of character.”

            I knew an amazing someone who was deported from Ethiopia. We had met when he came from Ethiopia to visit his sons (my friends). Immediately upon his arrival in Eritrea, he wrote a letter to his sons to advise them to not hold grudge on any of their friends. He explained to them how this action is a political decision by governments and not a decision by the common folks. This was very soon after his deportation, and for him to make that letter one of his top priorities said volumes about his exceptional decency and discipline.

            What happened to Dis Donc is not fair by any measure. In fact, the whole deportation business was cruel to say the least. Initially, that program was supposed “to carefully pick those who were believed to be a potential risk,” but the hardliners found an opportune time to feign innocence and ignore the official mandate and started gathering anyone and everyone who was remotely considered Eritrean. In some cases, there were Ethiopians who were mistaken for an Eritrean too. The sane didn’t have a chance to do much about it in time, because the Ethiopian political atmosphere was growing complex by the minute.

            Why I called that deportation cruel is that just prior to the referendum, almost all Eritreans, whether they were going to vote or not is not relevant, but they were being pushed, encouraged, cajoled, and even forced in some cases by both governments to vote for it nonetheless. Almost immediately after that, they were being rounded up, basically for “voting.”

            As crazy as it sounds, what happened to Dis Donc was not unique. I have a dear friend, an Ethiopian, who was denied a passport because “there were unknown risk factors…blah blah…, and the key note: all of his friends are Eritreans.” It got corrected quickly, but I was beyond disappointed. Simply put, it was chaotic times. As an Ethiopian I can only ask whoever was affected by that ridiculous deportation to forgive, if they can, if not my government at least my country, because I cannot find an iota of justification for it, but most importantly, because I believe forgiving benefits both the forgiver and the forgiven.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Fanti,

            Life is temporary but rule of law is permanent. No need to re-live past events!!!!

          • Dear F. G.,
            You put it beautifully. Nobody should ever blame the eritrean people for they are the victims, and they are in no way responsible for what had happened. The crime lies at the door of both elites. That is why I always hope that a day will come when both people will find a way to live together in peace; and I see no other alternative.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Fanti, Horizon, DD, Dawit, MN, Nitricc, Hope, Abi and all

            I had the pleasure reading your recent exchange and the past in Dire Dawa and soccer players. I don’t think I have anything to add but I hope a day comes that all this will be behind us.

            I think the past is the past and I think we need to look in the future. Canada is my second home and I am really proud with our current prime minister, how in the last 8 months he has changed the tone, the outlook and the prospect of Canada. It may not be a big deal for many of you, but his state visit yesterday to the U.S. is a very big news to Canada. I am sure SAAY have a lot to say about the real invite and what’s lurking under the public eye. Nevertheless I like this comment from Obama:

            “When talking about the differences between the U.S. and Canada, Obama brought up two things that the neither side likely will ever agree upon: who has the better beer and which nation is the bigger hockey powerhouse. That last one drew a reaction from the Rose Garden crowd, with the President responding, “Where’s the Stanley Cup right now? I’m sorry, is it in my hometown with the Chicago Blackhawks?”

            I hope to see a day that Eritrea and Ethiopia are blessed with hopeful leaders. And if I am to apply the analogy of Obama (with respect to our differences), I would say it should be in sports. All Eritrea (respectful third right now, behind Ethiopia and Kenya) has to do is, beat Ethiopia at running and all it becomes worlds best:). All Ethiopia has to do is, beat Eritrea at cycling (Ethiopia respectful third/forth right now, behind S. Africa/ Algeria) and Ethiopia becomes Africa’s best.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe Y:

            I am sure SAAY have a lot to say about the real invite and what’s lurking under the public eye. Nevertheless I like this comment from Obama:

            He does? The only thing I know is that I get surprised when people elect leaders who are younger than me. In the US, the electorate was seriously considering electing:

            1. A 44-year old one-term senator from Florida, with zero accomplishment
            2. A 45-year old one-term senator from Texas, with zero accomplishment
            3. A sleepy guy who has never held elected office, with a lot of accomplishments in medicine, none in politics
            4. A guy with Tourrete syndrome AND autism (Aspergers) who has never held office but can build walls
            5. A self-proclaimed socialist from a tiny state
            6. A former first lady who is an un-indicted felon, who owes her political career to her flawed husband

            So,the US can’t make fun of Canadians for electing 44-year old guy who is cashing-in on his good looks and daddy’s name.

            All I know is a whole lot of dictators are pointing to it and saying, “so, people, is this what you want us to bring to our country?” Especially after the Saudis named a kid a crown-prince and gave him full access to their Treasury so he can bankrupt the country.

            I guess I did have a lot to say:) Thanks Berhe.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Thanks Saay as always.

            You remember now why I always thought you can be the best president we ever had and we will ever have and I was hoping to lead us. But you wrote me back, I think it was in 2010, “the ten reason why SAAY can never be a president reply”.

            I was thinking for Eritrea at the time, but what the heck, I think you are more than qualified to run the USofA.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay7,

            I don’t know why I went back to 2005 when the name of George Bush was translated by his excellency president of Eritrea to Gergis Chikhona. Gergis is the angle’s name given to the president of US. We have the same president in Asmara and sure we expect another secrete letter to (if not to obama) the new coming president of US. Ha ha ha by the time we chose you as one of Eritrean president you might be at sixty if not more – don’t worry if it is 4 years term and if it isn’t a drama in the name of democracy we will again choose you and your are at 68. very young, isn’t it. the problem will still if you come with prepared Brchqo in Ethiopa at her 70’s. have fun and read back the article of SGL.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother Saay,
            No body disputed my following claim before, so I will continue to claim it:
            I am an expert on body languages!

            If this year happens to be the beginning of the end and I am forced to chose between #5 and #2, I would go for #5 anytime of the day. With an idiot with a gun you have 50/50 chance, but with a fascist with bazooka?

            I am sticking with my felon; Thank You!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Saay will go for #3 (surgical removal.)

          • saay7

            Ha, Abi. But the surgeon surgically removed himself today and endorsed Trump. Here’s how Trump thanked him:

            Thank you Dr. Carson. Thank you. Thank you. This is a tremendous endorsement. Tremendous. Let me tell you, it is tremendous. A lot of black brain surgeon friends have been coming to tell me, and by the way, I have a lot of black surgeon friends. Don’t trust the media who tell you I don’t have many, the media are despicable. Despicable. They are losers, yes I said it, I know it is not politically correct, but they are. They know it, they know it. {applause} What a tremendous crowd. Have you seen a crowd this big? The other candidates can’t get 10 people because they are boring. So thank you Dr. Carson.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            How did I miss this gem? Beautiful!!!!
            Honest to God, I feel like I’m listening to the guy himself.
            I like to pass this comment to cousin Hope to decorate it with a bunch of banging exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!
            Thanks a million.
            PS
            Dr Carsick ( he looks sick not sleepy) did better than the Pizza guy (9.99) from the previous election. He had only one answer for every question imaginable. 999! Give them small pizza with one topping, everything’s good.
            Only in America!

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            Its Saturday, and a video.

            A nerdy guy, NerdWriter, analyzed Trump’s speech and he tells us how it works: how Trump uses language–the one we make fun of–to sell his ideas to his followers. He takes a 1-minute answer he gives a talk-show-host, Jimmy Kimmel, and analyzes it to show it is done by design:

            https://youtu.be/_aFo_BV-UzI

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi saay, it is not Trump’s problem when there is no one interesting enough to take the limelight from him. To make matters worse, they send Mitt to stop him, defeating the whole purpose. What we have left with is crunching the number how he does it, the American way. I have the clip where the condescending Ethiopian anthropologist saying ” even Trump came from this specimen” it might comes handy someday if the felon didn’t get elected.
            What about this song, i wonder if Dawititsm can approve it.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CQA33tQx4o

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            Actually you are right on this one. Trump had no opposition whatsoever. And the two hispanics in the republican ticket are as big NOs as anything I have seen in the USA. But for all their retorics, once in the white house reality sets in and they end up being different leaders altogether. I only feel sorry for those poor Arabs who are always the smoke screen of American internal crisis and policy diversions.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey Abisha,

            It looks like the Doctor pulled the rug from under Saay’s feet.

            Something just flashed in my head about Doctors. Every time someone lists professions, almost always, ‘Doctor’ is preceded or followed by ‘Lawyer.’ You never hear someone jumping from a truck driver to a lawyer or a Doctor. We all know what they say about lawyers, but it never occurred to me that Doctors were the front runners.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            When you were making the claim “I am an expert on body languages”, I asked Abi to report on your body language and he wrote me:

            I noticed he is not making eye contact, his hands are touching his face, throat and mouth (but never his heart), and his eyes keep looking up and left.

            I believe these are all tell-tale signs of…. looking up and right is “remembering”; looking up and left is…but then as an expert you would know:)

            “I am sticking with my felon” is a great bumper-sticker for Hillary Clinton:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            I knew it. I should have looked right!
            Maybe I said so many times to myself that I confused it with acknowledgement by others.
            Damn you Abi.

          • saay7

            His Faraness:)

            The comeback answer (for avowed body language experts) was: “the rules are reversed for left-handed people and I am left-handed.”

            Back to school for you. Abi won without even playing:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay.
            What can I do? It has always been my weakness: I am incapable of lying!

          • saay7

            His Truthfulness Fanti:

            When Yemane Gebremeskel is being interviewed, he looks up and to the right before answering. Now, according to you body linguists, looking up and to the right is an effort to recall something whereas looking up to the left is an effort to make up a story.

            Saay Theory: When Yemane Gebremeskel looks up to the right, he is trying to remember a word in English, for a lie he wants to tell.

            Exhibits may follow.

            What does His Fantiness think of my theory?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            I am always suspicious of any one whose name starts with a ‘Y.’ So, your theory sounds solid. Every time you forget their name but you remember partially, staring at the roof, you would go ‘Y..Y..Y..Y’ (ዋይ ዋይ ዋይ) or ye..ye..ye..ye. (የ የ የ የ). Need I say more?

          • saay7

            Hey Fantiness:

            In response to your “I am always suspicious of any one whose name starts with a Y”, your Tigray identity has been stripped as this implies you wouldn’t have trusted Yohannes IV. Your Ghedli de-romanticism is also in danger as this applies to Yosief. Also, Yared, Yafiet, Yonas and Younis are insulted:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother Saay,

            Did you have to expose me naked like that? Especially Yared!

            We are tolerant when ‘foreigners’ read us right to left, Azebo-Raya. Whom we can’t stand saying it is anyone from north of Maichew. They are always up to something.

          • Ted

            Hi FG, Do you know about the town Waja, between Kobbo and Alamata. where do they belong. They are Amhara.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Ted,

            They speak Amharic and Tigrigna in equal measure, but due to the complex nature of their affiliation, Kobo and Waja were given the option to choose. Kobo opted Amhara and Waja opted Tigray. Waja is now in Tigray Kilil.

            If you are up to it, it goes like this: Korem town speak mostly Amarigna although they are surrounded by Tigrigna speaking villages, Alamata speak mostly Tigrigna although they are south of Korem, Waja speak either one depending on what they want, and Kobo speak mostly Amarigna unless you really really insist. Then there is the East-West dilemma. You go east of any of these points and it is Oromifa followed by Afar, and in the likely event that you go west, you end up having dinner with Abi. There is just no win.

          • Abi

            That is Fantastic!

          • Dis Donc

            Dear SAAY,

            In western democracies leadership is a team sport. Therefore, it does not matter the personalities and their defects.

          • saay7

            Hi Disc Donc:

            Carry on your conversation with dawit, Ted…I am enjoying it.

            When I was a kid, I always wanted to be a grumpy old man and I am practicing grumpiness, waving my cane at the whippersnappers trying to run empires. It all started with that one-term senator from Illinois whose biggest accomplishment was “community organizing” and has emboldened all the unqualified kids to say, “me too!”

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hey Saay,

            With regards to “Canadians for electing 44-year old guy who is cashing-in on his good looks and daddy’s name” I think he has a lot of substance as his good looks.

            I don’t know if you have seen the 60 minutes profile on him but they have covered few stuff about him.

            1) His parents was divorced and he was practically raised by his father. He said it was painful experience and it was to do with his mother “mental health/bi-polar” that he learned and was advocating since. Him being the elder of the three sons, had responsibility to look after his brothers.

            2) The youngest brother died on a ski trip and it was devastating, he gave the eulogy at his funeral.

            3) He was a school teacher when he decided to enter politics. He connects with young people really well and it’s those young people who worked really hard to get him elected.

            4) I like what he said about the charity boxing match he had with one of the senator (a black belt). He was almost beaten up for the whole two rounds but he managed to outlast his opponent and go for the kill. He used Ali tactic when he beat George Foreman. He said, “Boxing is not about how big a punch you can throw. It’s about how big a punch you can take & keep going”-Justin Trudeau.

            5) We were bombarded by conservative ad about him and his good hair and looks and “not ready”. But I think he proved them wrong, he run with a campaign “I am going to run deficit, I am going to increase corporate taxes, I am going to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees, and I am going to bring Canada back to the world stage and work on the environment, which the last government was totally against”. And the people of Canada gave him a majority mandate to lead the country. So none of these “dirty politics” and I think the guy is real as real as it can get.

            Obama snubbed our last Prime Minster, specially on the Trans Canada XL pipeline and I am really surprised to see how soon he has warmed up to Justin and things happened so fast (may be because he doesn’t have much time left).

            Berhe

            * P.S. Saay, just in case you decided to move up North, in case who knows gets elected. You can be technically a resident.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; i know you are not going to like what i have to say but reading your post, i found two points of beef with your take.
            A) ” Obama snubbed our last Prime Minster, specially on the Trans Canada XL pipeline and I am really surprised to see how soon he has warmed up to Justin”
            I have no idea who your PM is but I wouldn’t get that hot because Obama is kissing up to your PM. Obama will be going the worst US president ever; yes, worst than Bush.
            B) P.S. Saay, just in case you decided to move up North, in case who knows gets elected. You can be technically a resident.”
            I don’t know if you know this but people go up North for two reasons; 1) criminals to avoid persecution and 2) people who are waiting absolute deportation to Africa. my point is what makes you the great SAAY will make the move to the country called Canada? No, offense of course!

          • Berhe Y

            Hey Nitricc,

            When Bill Mahar was asked how he would rank President Bush, he said 44th. He was the 43rd president and when asked why. He said, he is worst president the next unknown president that will be elected:). So by his definition, assuming Obama is the worst then it means, at least he is better than Bush.

            Canada is enda AlebuE at least for his kids:).

            Berhe

          • ወቸጉድ

            Did you shed as many tears when Ethiopians were deported from Eritrea? Inquiring minds want to know. Btw, what the heck was the 30 year and 99% referendum for if not to go to the promised land? And let’s not forget that fundraisings were going on in the middle of the war. That takes some nerve.

            I am sure Abi has lot to say about this topic 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello ወቸጉድ,

            First thing is first: I am glad you are still alive.

            To answer your first question, yes, I did, but are you implying that a barbaric act becomes “good” as long as someone before you have done it? What control did the deported Eritreans had about what an Eritrean government they hardly knew did some ten years prior?

            To answer your second question, we could have asked them to please leave our country too. But why did the land of the just chose to do it barbarically instead? Why were some of them dumped at the border at night, some with bare feet, knowing full well that the Eritrean army may mistake them for Ethiopian attacking army; never mind the land mines?

            Fund raising: yes, some Eritreans did. But did our government deport those suspected contributors or it doesn’t matter as long as they are all Eritreans? Is that justice to you?

            It sounds like you get a kick from what Abi sometimes says about Eritreans, but I have a bad news for you: you are not reading him deep enough. Abi doesn’t have a single hateful cell in his body. He is just lousy. That is all.

            Now, stay safe. We will talk next year again.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother Horizon,
            you know what you remind me when you said “promised land” not the promised land but those who think are free..those who think Eritrea is free and the job is over. I once read the following poems..

            ዮሐንስ ኣድማሱ በ፩፱፭፬ ( 1954) የገጠመውን ኣንብበህ ይሆን ?

            ነፃነት እንዳለው በመልኩ የጠራ

            ያውቀዋል ወይ ህዝቡ :-
            ምስጢሩን ተረድቶ ካንጀቱ ከልቡ ::

            ወይስ ለስም ነወይ ወጉን ለማረቅ :-
            ባለነፃነት ነኝ ሲል መመፃደቅ ::

            ነፃነት የሚለው ምንድነው ፈሊጡ :
            ያውቀዋል ወይ ፍቹን ለይቶ በቅጡ ::

            በነፃነጽት ስምስ እየተጨፈነ :-
            ሲበጠበጥ ልቡን እየመነመነ::

            እውነት እንዳያይ ኣይኑን ተጨፍኖ :-
            የነፃነጽት ፍቺ በወሬ ብቻ ኣምኖ ::

            ብሎ ነበረ የገጠመ -እንግዲህ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ከልክ ባለፈ መልኩ ነፃ ነኝ ብሎ ያምን እንደነበር የሚካድ ኣይደለም :- ግን እኮ ከውጭ ጠላቶቹ ጋር ያሳየው ፊልምያ ኣድናቆቱ እንዳለ ሆኖ የውስጥ ገዢዎቹን በሚገባ ለዘመናት ኣልተቆጣጠርም ::

            የውስጥ ገጭዢዎች ከውጭ ገዢዎች ጋር የተደርጉትን የጀግንነት ትግሎችን እያስታወስክና እየቶክራራህ ኑር ማለታቸውን ይቀጥሉታል
            እና ሟቹ ዶ/ር ኣብራሃም ፈለቀም ይህን ኣስመልክተው ያሉት ኣለ :

            ከሜዳ ላይ ሲቀር ድካም ልፋታችን :-
            በውሃ ሲበረዝ ወዛችን ላባችን :-
            በዳዋ ሲወረር ቡቃያው ምርታችን :-
            ምን ይውጠን ነበር ባይጣፍጥ ህልማችን :-
            ባይጥም ቅዠታችን ::

            ይህ ነበር እንግዲህ በዚች ኣዲስ ማደግ የነበረባት ኤርትራም የደረሰው :: ቢሆንም ትግሉ ቀጥልዋል – ሰዎቹ ሲንቀባረሩና ሲሸልሉ ለኣንድ ሰከንድ እንኳ ግራ ሳይገባቸው : ድል በትግል ” ብለው ለሰላምና እውነተኛ ነጻነት የቆሙ ጀግኖች ያፈራች ኣገር ነች ኤርትራ :: እና እኔም የምለው ኣለኝ ::

            የተዋደቅንበት ትግሉ ባይገለጥም-
            መሬት መች ዳቦ ነው ቆርጠህ ኣይዋጥም ::

            ሸንተረር ተራራው ኣሁንም እዚያው ነው:-
            ማርስ ኣልሄደ ቬነስ ስሙን ቢቀይረው::

            ትርጉሙ ቢታይ የትግሉ ሚስጥር:-
            የህዝብ ነጻነት ነው ይፈተን ይመርመር::

            ያ እስካልሆነ ምንም ትርጉም የለው :-
            ትግሉ ይቀጥላል ድሉ የህዝብ ነው ::

          • Ted

            Hi DD, Correct me if i am wrong that you explained you had participated in some kind of “tehadso” of EPLF in Ethiopia after independence. And also refused to take Eritrean ID (vote for referendum) because you don’t want to be member of any political party which by the way the ID was a transitional government(EPLF) issued ID not a political membership ID. Lastly you mentioned you got refused by “EPLF thugs” because your mother was from ELF controlled area. What your mother origin has to do with the rejection or it’s worth mentioning it. Thanks.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            I was with TPLF (never EPLF) and used to belong to 07 (could be 06 as it has been a while) along with Wedi MeAro as a leader. The ID specifically says EPLF and we somehow hesitated. We hailed from a prominent ELF areas although I never were a memeber and nor is my mom. There are some personal things that I do not want to mention here. However, you can have an educated guess and conclude for yourself.

          • Ted

            Hi DD, sorry i was to mean TPLF( still find it strange that i know people working for TPLF but never heard becoming TPLF menber other than Berket Simon) and since you assume yourself always as Ethiopian, what is the point of going to referendum or asking for ID.Is it to vote No? It seems Eritrea is your country by default after TPLF deported you.. . Just wondering.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            You should read what I wrote earlier. Simply put, I do not want to go into personal details.

          • Ted

            Hi DD, understood, but i feel you are barking on the wrong tree. TPLF is the one who took away your identity, not EPLF or Eritrean Gov. Wish you get it back after TPLF is gone, if you still believe your .Ethiopianess. Take it easy on Eritrean Gov , we both have the same enemy ,TPLF.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            Say you kidding so? I do not have a beef with neither. One claimed to have won and the other never let in any form of competition. That ain’t right on the latter part. At least on the pretense!

          • Ted

            Hi DD, it is good to know, you must be some kind of Saint. I would be still livid if TPLF did it to me(member, not voted for referendum and Ethiopian at heart). From your posts, the “EPLF thugs” labeling and many more feels a little beefy to me .I don’t want to wedge conflict between you and TPLF. Thanks.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            You miss mentioned points here on purpose or otherwise. I am a business man and do not see life in political view. For example, when in the US I didn’t cry around waiting for someone to save me. I left the country and they can keep it. In doing so I made a good living out of settling in Latin America. I am now a highest ranking official for an intergovernmental organization that is funded by the US, EU, UK, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand, S. Korea…. Point I am telling you is that you need to move on and let other move on as well. So naturally, I would be happy to see Eritrea having a democracy and rule of law. That way the people can move on….

          • Ted

            Hi DD, it is all good i wish to see good governance and rule of law in both countries too. I will leave democracy for business people;-). It is my intention to go back home to have a chicken farm somewhere around Shembeqo and i might need your business insight;-).
            PS.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted, I think DD was making the “Ethiopian” statement to make Abi feel good. Abi believes that All Eritreans are Ethiopians. I am not kidding. He never accepted and never will that Eritrea gone! lol

          • Ted

            Hi Nitricc, if that is the case he is not helping him except to prolong his misery.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ቴድ,

            አቶ በረኸት ስምኦን አባል “ኢህድን ” ካብቶም ካብ EPRP ተፈንጪሎም ንውሽጢ ኢትዮጵያ ዝሰገሙ እዩ: : አብከባቢ መወዳእታ ሰማንያታት ከአ ኢህድን ሐንቲ ካብተን ንኢህወደግ ስሙር ግንባር ዘቆማ ውድባት ኮይኖም ዝአተው እዮም:: ብሐጺሩ አባል ህወሓት አይኮነን::

            አማኑኤል ሕድራት

          • Ted

            Hi AH, all i know is TPLF rule ethiopia.TPLF/EPRP= Potato, patato. Thanks anyway.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Amanuel,

            You know, I can read two or three lines in Ge’ez but beyond that I begin to have queezy feeling and get mad at myself for not learning it. Strange but true that I never got the grip on reading (let’s leave the writing part out) Ge’ez. My teacher always used to punish me for writing in Arabic.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear DD,

            Sorry for the inconvinience. I was trying to feed info to Ted. In short I was correcting Ted that Bereket Simon was not a member of TPLF, rather he is a member of EPDM that form the united front “EPRDF” with TPLF in early 1989, before they enter Addis. Currently EPRDF is a political coalition of TPLF, OPDO, ANDM, and SEPDM. Hence currently Bereket Simon is a member of ANDM.

            But Ted is Ted, he lives with his own truth dictated by hate and his own reality.

            Regards

    • Amde

      Selam AMAN,

      I concur with Mr. KH.

      I am glad you decided to keep the nick.

      You do bring some thought provoking things to the forum, but they are sometimes so out of context it is hard to make sense of them.

      Amde

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello my second most cherished Brother Amde,
        You may now cuddle with your brother KH.

        • Amde

          Selam Fanti,

          Why thank you!! But I am jealous. Who is number one?

          Amde
          PS. Will it change your mind if I tell you I have been to Maichew a number of times? It is one of my favorite places in Ethiopia – a hidden gem that just needs some attention. Right on the escarpment, looking down into the Rift Valley, and behind you magnificent still forested mountains.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Amde,
            No. 1 is the one with the sharp spear of course; who else?

            Maichew? If I knew then what I know now! If you had a chance to visit the “yeTalian Tornet metasebia” camp, that is where I stayed with my uncle for 7th and 8th grade schooling.

            Your eventual elevation to #1 is guaranteed, but just wait a little until the dust settles.

          • Amde

            Fanti,

            You would think I would go see the Taliyan Torinet memorial at least once the few times I was there… but no. The locals don’t care to show us, and we never happened to have sufficient time. But I always insist on going up the hill for the view.

            Amde

          • dawit

            Sir Ammede,
            Here is another interesting history lesson from “Metsehafe Dawit”. You complained that the locals didn’t care to show you Taliyan Torinet memorial. Well did you know the locals were siding the Italian in that war? The Raya Azebo people were armed by Italians to fight the Ethiopian army under Haile Selassie. Haile Selassie was sandwiched between the Italian army in front and the Raya worriers from his back. That was why the Ethiopian defense line quickly crumbled unlike the case of Aduwa. When Haile Selassie realized his situation, he quickly abandon his troops and run away to Desie, living his troops without a leader. From Desie he travel to Addis by night, he collected his immediate families plus house hold utensils silver spoons etc. and took a train to Djibouti then to England as an exile.
            Five years later after Myaichew Torinet, the Italians were defeated with the help of the British allied forces assembled from all over their colonies the British Empire, mainly from India, South, East, West Africa and Sudan. Of course the Ethiopian Arbegnoch lead by people like Ras Abebe, Belay Zeleke and Simetiru Hamasienoch were leading the war. Haile Selassie returned as ‘Dil-Adragiw Nigusachin’ and he immediately took revenge against the ‘Raya-Azebo people for siding with the Italians. He confiscated all their land and started to distribute it to his supporters. If you live in Wollo and Tigrai you request for ‘Galla Meret’ like ‘Gasha Meret’ in the south. You count the size of your land possession in terms of ‘Galla Meret’ not Gasha Meret which is equivalent to 40 hectares of land same as Gasha Meret. I am not surprised at all that the local people at Maichew do not have a memorial for the war and if they have it will be totally the opposite than what you would have expected. Actually the genesis of the first Woyane appraisal is associated with that history. I am sure young Saint Fanti might have heard the story from his uncle, may be he is waiting ‘the dust to settle’ with the Oromo Youth Movement to tell you the true story of Maichew. I am waiting to hear what Saint Fanti will say to the above comment.
            dawit

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,
            I am not really familiar to that part of Ethiopia except, of course, passing through on the way to Asmara. But I am at a loss in relating Maichew with Raya?

          • dawit

            DD,
            It is like Holeta and Ginchi between Addis and Ambo, where exactly did you live, Dawit have a story to tell you of any town in Ethiopia.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,
            We first moved to Addis and was told that it was around French Legion but I remember none of it. Then we moved to Holeta; this I remember some of it and later Ambo until I finished my high school. That was the time when Mengistu left the country. Do tell….

          • dawit

            DD
            So you went to Maerege Hiwot high school at Ambo Hagere Hiwot. Interesting, when said between Addis and Ambo, that why I thought Holeta and Gincchi. I like Ginchi, where they sale some kind of ‘cake’ or ‘biskut’. Here a story I remember about Holeta and Ambo. There were lonchina buses they left Merkato to Ambo. In those days you pay 2 Bir. They pack the passenger like sardine. They tell you ‘weta geba’ and they load it twice the number of passengers limits for the mini bus. You have to travel through the town of Holeta the only place where their is police traffic. The drivers knew it well. The bus stops right before you reach the town. Then the drivers order half of the passengers to get out and follow the ‘Awtanti’ walk through the woods bypassing the center of Holeta town, where the traffic police weight and inspect the number of passengers. Everything is good the bus is carrying the legal count of passengers. The car proceed to Ambo., The driver stops the bus just pass Holeta, at the other end of the town waiting for the other half of the passengers walking through the woods, to pack it again to reach to Ambo. DD I cant tell you a lot of stories about those two towns because I have lived for a short period like you have when I was young. My aunt had a mill (wofcho bet) at Ginchi.and her daughter had Buna Bet at Ambo. Few years ago I visited both places. I was very disappointed because there was very little changes in since the Time of Haile Selassie. I visited also the Ambo university which is now the epicenter of the Oromo Youth Movement in Ethiopia against TPLF and their local supporters. On my next lecture I will tell you more about Maichew and Raya.
            Cheers
            dawit

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            There was Tekeste dabo bet at Ambo/HagereHiwot next to the swimming pool.
            Yetgre neger titewaweqalachihu…

          • dawit

            Abiye, I don’t know him and I don’t remember dabo bet, but I know another an old Eritrean man (I think one of the Simetrus) Balamberas somebody who had a hotel or bunabet near Ras hotel or the swimming pool. Could be the same person?

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            For the record, holeta got a police station in late 1970s EC. Also, for the record the minibuses from Addis never passed Addis Alem. So what you were writing was for Addis Alem travellers and even then it rarely happened. The weighing station finished in 1980 and never got used as Mengie absconded three years later. Even that was designed for heavy trucks. It was installed just before you turn to Muger, on the way to Addis, that is 5 to 6 km from the police station. Mini-buses to and from Ambo used to be only very early in the mornings and late in the evenings. So that to avoid mean people and cadres. We used to have a kiosk and then there was a fight between political cadres and Oromos. Then we had to shut it down. I bought a sturdy ford mini-bus. I used to go Addis 4:30 am, loaded with traders, eggs, and other food items. And come back at 10 pm with the same traders, cooking oil, and cooking gas. I used to be good friends with the local Oromos and as you can see I prospered with them. Until I passed it to a family member as I began to study for the ESLCE which I passed with 3.8, in 1984.

            Dear Abi,

            I do not know when this so called Tekeste came into the business but before him the place used to be owned by a Bilenai person named Seleba Dyer or something. Since my mom was born and rfaised in El Ber-Ed she spoke perfect Bilenai and used to be friends. They couldn’t meet ends as burning wood was almost unavalable. So he had to let it go…. I believe he is settled in Holeta….

          • dawit

            DD
            Is that your effort trying to disprove dawit because he didn’t know holeta or ambo? .May be in your time the minibus schedule changed, but I used to take them travelling to Ambo at any time of the day.for 2 Bir. I went to Ambo School of Agriculture for 4 yeas and travelled to Addis almost once or or twice a month! You said Holeta got its first police station in late 1970s? What would you say if I told you I visited a police station in July-August 1968 for about half an hour and three of my friends spend one night at that police station? I travelled to holeta for about 2 months daily from Addis. The buss fare was 1 Bir. Some times I spend the night at a motel owned by a man named Ato Woldesenbet from Wolayta.
            So DD your mother is Bleineyti from Ela Berid. Waw DD we could be real cousins. My father was Bilenay TsAda! I was told my of my uncles the land that the Italian confiscated and planted with sisal used to be was where my Great-Great gradfathers cows grazed. I have a historical legal claim to that land. Also when a citrus farm was started by Italian family called Berbere?, my mom worked as a nanny to that family in Asmara.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            My mom was not a Bilenayti but spoke the language as I mentioned. She was a Tigrayit. Her brother was the manager of the farm. Do you even know where the police station was? Can you write where it was? I know Welde Senbet (first name Asefa) personally as I used to spend my nights there in trying to buy burning wood. His daughter, Netzanet Asefa, now lives in Dubai. He fell out of shape in late life though. Also in my time the bus fare was changed from 1 to 1.5 birr in 1977 and 3 birr after liberation. So in your time it was about $0.50.

          • dawit

            Cousin DD,
            Sorry I misunderstood you about your mother’s nationality, when you say she spoke Bilein, I thought she belonged to that. I don’t know many Tigrayit people learn Bilen, Personally I found it very difficult language to learn. But DD don’t worry we are still be cousins. My grandfather in my mother side was a Tigrayit, if we missed on this we could meet on the other side. That is how SAAY put it we are removed one or two generations apart.
            Now about Holeta police station having a building in late 1977. Did you know there was a government in Ethiopia before Derg? How do you think HS ruled the country without having a police station in every city and town of the country? Holeta is a major town in Ethiopia and like any town it had a police station.
            Let me try to describe you the location of Holeta police station. You know like many towns and cities in Ethiopia, there is one road that pass through the town. In holeta there was this one road that run from Addis to Nekemte(Lekemt). In the center of holeta there is another road that takes you to the Military school. On that road before the military academy you turn left that will lead you to Institute of Agricultural Research (IAR) with nice office buildings laboratories etc, and several residential villas for IAR employees. The Holeta Police station was located at the junction of the main road and the road that turn left to IAR and the Military.
            On the right of that junction there were few Bunabets. Behind those business places actually there was a dirt road may be about 50 – 100 metrs, there was a three bedroom house bedroom house (Chikabet) with corrugated iron sheet roof. That was the Holeta Police Station. In front there were two rooms, one was the reception room where people complaints received and recorded, and the next room was the office of the police chief. Behind those two rooms was the jail where prisoners were locked.
            About Asefa Woldesenbet, I don’t know him may be he is the son of Ato Woldesenbet, he was an old man. The original owner of Shferoch Buna bet and a motel, right on the right side of the main road, before you reach the center of the town. The Bunabet was in the front of the building and also the residence of the owner Ato Woldesenbet. Behaind were a number of one bed room motels which rented about 2 or 3 bir per night. It was an incident that happened at the motels, one week end that lead me to visit the police station at holeta.
            DD if you still did not believe it, my suggestion to you to go to Holeta and ask the history of the town before you and mom moved there. About the bus fare, you need to read carefully it was 1 bir not 50 cents.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            You got the gist of it. The police station used to share their building with the army at the junction on the way to Mulugeta Buli Technical School, what used to be the main office for the military academy. What you are describing was the militia office later to become complaint office. I had been in both jails and as such I should know. In the old days there used to only exist Kebele 02 and 04. The whole of Kebele 01 is fairly new. But you get the passing mark….

          • dawit

            DD,
            There could be 10 junction today. I told you when I knew Holeta, and in those days there was no Kebele 1 or 50. We use to refer neighborhoods with ‘Sefer’. Talian sefer, Seratgna sefer, Teret sefer, Wello sefer, Abakoran sever… Anyhow your ignorance has opened you eyes, learned about Maichew, Raya and Dire Dawa!
            dawit

          • Amde

            DD, dawit

            I don’t know how dawit is saying Maichew/Raya is like Holeta/Ginchi. But that is not technically true.

            There used to be called the Raya & Azebo awraja,in Tigray, of which Maichew was the awraja capital city. There was also a neighboring Raya & Qobo awraja in Wollo. I believe both former awrajas are in Tigray region now, and are part of Southern Tigray zone.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hey AMDE;
            You mentioned “Ginchi” it where all the Oromo protests started. If indeed the end of TPLF is upon us, then Ginchi will be accolade as the mother of revolution and popular up-rising.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            Can you tell us stories about sweet Dire Dawa? Stories such as the Brazilian style of football played and the music of Ali Birra, Ali Shebo, and Mukbil (who also played football as a striker for Dire Dawa Cotton and later for the national team replacing Mengistu Worku).

          • dawit

            Greetings to the Great MN.

            Well what story can dawit tell about Dire? Not much.

            Yes dawit knows Dire Dawa. You take a train from Addis usually leaves at 7 or 8 PM and travel the whole night on metal chairs, with few stops on the way till you arrive at Dire Dawa at 9 or 10 AM in the morning. I can tell you for sure it is the most uncomfortable train ride that I had experienced. In those days there was no buss service between Addis and Dire. The other alternative was to fly with Ethiopian airlines.
            When you step out from the train you will notice immediately the change in the weather it is hot or warm climate. The city is divided into two sections separated by a large dry river for the most part of the year. Occasionally almost rarely the river floods if there is heavy rainfall at the surrounding hills. Otherwise it is a big stretch of sand. One part is known as Kezira and the other part is called Feres Magala. Kezira is the nicest and clean part of the two, there are nice houses, bars hotels. Walking in the street in the evening is very pleasant, but I hate walking in the middle of the day. The city was inhabited by highlanders from the Abyssinian part of Ethiopia including Eritrea, there were Qotus (speak Oromo language), Aderes from Harar. and Afars and Somalis, with their camels. There were also few foreigners, Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, Italians. Most Abyssinian highlanders and the foreign nationals lived at Kezira and most natives from the surrounding areas lived at Feres Magala, mostly as shop keepers. One can walk to a store and it was not uncommon for the shop keeper completely high chewing Chat not to recognize the customer entering the shop. You can literally walk to a shop and take what you like and walk away without paying for it. Dire was a contraband city goods were smuggled from Djibouti and Somalia, you can find clothes, watches and even guns and pistols very easily. There were taxis, most of them Peugeot made in France, may be imported from Djibouti, almost all drivers chew Chat and drive fast. I was always scared to drive to Harar taking taxi especially when you live the city the road zigzags with some short corners. There were a lot of hustle and bustle in the city during Kulubi Gebriel celebration some time in mid December, lot of people all walks of life from the beggar to the Emperor Haile Selassie, came to celebrate Kulubi which is located 50-75 Kilometer distance on the Chercher highland. You can observe the vertical cross section of Ethiopia people. Dire Dawa was also a city where many run away boys and girls from Addis and other cities end up. I have some personal story about running away from home, but I will skip that for now.

            Food: There were many restaurants where you can get Habesha lega tibs, zigni, and Kitfo and few European foods restaurants. My favorite was at Kezira, a restaurant owned by a Greek or an Italian man. They serve the best Bisteki, Arosto, and stakes. People in the town suspect the meat served at that Restaurant was of wild pig or Kerkero ( Amharic). They said the owner went hunting for wild animals in the surrounding areas and brought the meat to his restaurant. I didn’t care what kind of meat it was, it tasted great and most of the time I ate there. There was also a fine Ras Hotel in the city, another good Hotel was called Apollo 11 or 13.

            Music: There were few night clubs where people went to dance. They open around 9:00 PM till 2:00 AM. After 2, they close the front door and the party continued till morning. They used Record Players mostly the latest American pop Music and locals. I think Tsehaitu Beraki and Amleset Abay had records. All other local artists the songs were played from tape recorder (Nastro). Ali Birra was not part of the artists in those days, I think his songs started to be popular with the coming of the Derg era. I love his music, he song are Qotu and Adere languages.

            Sports: I don’t know about the persons you listed (Ali Shebo, and Mukbil). But in my days, there were the two fine football teams Cotton and Cement. Both teams improved their players talent by importing players from Eritrea. The famous ones were the two Brothers, Luciano and Italo who played for the Ethiopian National team. Luciano was the captain of the team. They played at the 3rd and 6th. African Champion tournament where Ethiopia won. I can tell you this, there was never been as great players as those period in the history of Football in the country. They played with great talent, Mengistu (Menge) #8, Italo #10, Luciano #9, Esmael (Somali) # 7, Getachew, # 11 Awad #5, Kiflom #6, Tesfai ?# 4, Asmelash #3, Berhe#2 and the goal keeper Gilla (Amoraw) # 1. I watched them play for the national champion team in Addis every year when I was young. Although I went to Dire Stadium a couple of time, by then both Luciano and Italo had retired from Football. I met few times Luciano in night clubs after he retired.
            MN, I hope this gives you a glimpse of the great sweet city of Dire Dawa as I knew it several years ago.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            Great story telling and very accurate.

            Some comments:

            – Ali Birra was already locally popular before the Derg.

            – The Qotu are Muslim Oromos.

            – Apollo 11 was owned by an Eritrean called Mekonnen Lord and his brother (both killed by the Derg).

            – Luciano was a well read, highly intellectual man for a footballer. Luciano played football by thinking.

            – Isamail, who played at right-back for the national team wearing #2, was an Eritrean who played for team Hamasien.

            The best bits you said were:

            ” One can walk to a store and it was not uncommon for the shop keeper completely high chewing Chat not to recognize the customer entering the shop. You can literally walk to a shop and take what you like and walk away without paying for it.”

            and

            ” … almost all drivers chew Chat and drive fast. I was always scared to drive to Harar taking taxi especially when you live the city the road zigzags with some short corners.”

            Very true, and thank you.

          • dawit

            Dear Music Novice,
            Thank you for the complement, I didn’t know you actually lived in Dire. I was writing it to some novice person who wanted to know about Dire Dawa. So I was taking him from Addis to Dire and introduce him to sweet Dire. Now I know you were the Mayor of that great city!
            Now a couple of things you raised. Yes Qotus are Oromo Muslims. But you know when I was growing, we had Qotu and Galla. There was no word ‘Oromo’. I never referred to Qotus as Gallas, I always refered to them as Qotu which means Farmers, I think. They were different with their religion and other Oromos.
            Ismael: I am pretty sure we may be referring to two Ismaels, the one I am talking about was a Somali and great talented player. He later defected to Somalia. He was skinny but very fast. Once a journalist asked him how he was skinny but had such talent. Ismaels answer was ‘ I play football with my brain not with muscel’ almost the same thing you wrote about Luciano playing with ‘thinking’. If I had to rank those national forward players of 60/70s based on talent I would put them in the order of Italo, Mengistu, Luciano , Ismaeal anf Getacew Abdu ( I think he was a Qotu).
            In those days I have read a foreign sport writer describing the Ethiopian national team playing a ‘Brazilian style’ with short passes. He compared their talent as those great players Pele and Garanchi. In those days football was my life. I know many players who made it to the national team with whom I used to play in elementary schools at Rotery Club in Addis at Tasew Meda, but was as talented as them, I fell behind as schools became my priority. I played it till I finish high school..

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Dawit,

            I was not the mayor, but the deputy (just joking).

            You are right, in those days, the Muslim Oromo were called Qotu and the Oromos of the West and Central Ethiopia were called Galla.

            Ismail, I think, must be the talented skinny Somali chap who played for Dire Dawa Tele (an underachieving team). I think Ismail had a couple of gold teeth on one side of his mouth.There were many talented Somali players in Dire Dawa, but they never make it to the national team because in a typical Somali way they were individualistic and lacked discipline. For example, a Somali player would try to dribble past 6 players including the Referee(!) and the Goal Keeper.

            Italo was great but he was injured by a nasty Kenyan player in Nairobi which ended his career. Luciano always played like a philosopher by thinking. His style of playing was similar to the Brazillian Rivellino.

            Mengistu Worku was gifted and played like an aristocrat, but was a trouble maker and provocative. Another gifted but hot tempered player was Tekle wedi Kechin (Asmara Tele). In one match between Asmara Tele and St. George, Tekle walked by and head butted Mengistu to knock out his front two teeth. Both players were strikers (playing on opposite sides of the pitch). It was a mystery how they could have contact with each other. Much later, in another match, Tekle beat up a Referee and he was banned for life.

            Getachew Abdu, the St. George player was a defensive midfielder. I think he was a Werji, who are similar to the Jeberti. I think, the brilliant defender Awad Mohammed had a similar background.

            Getachew Wolde was a Dire Dawa Cotton winger and stylish player.

            Dawit, you made a good choice of choosing school before football. In those days, gifted footballers (in particular from developing countries), compared to now, were paid peanuts. Even the great Pele, by today’s standards, was not paid that much. Garincha died penniless.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            My observation is that compared to the people of Dire Dawa, who are calm, collected and have the spirit of universal friendship and brotherhood, the people in Eritrea are trouble makers always digging for differences and are ungovernable. With this background of the population in Eritrea, one cannot blame the EPLF for exercising strong arm tactics.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Muzika,

            Mankind by his nature is an obtuse creature. That is why we have a whole social science division dedicated to governing and governing related subjects. That is also why countries need parties to choose from. That is also why we have rule of law with the army and police force to upheld the rule of law. That is also why……..

          • Music Novice

            Greetings DD,

            It is easier said than done!

            Tekabe Zewde, the national team goalkeeper?

            If it is him, yes I knew him when he was a little kid playing with balls made out socks. His older brother Abbera Zewde was my team mate in junior student football. They used to live near St Mary’s church on the way to the Airport. Abbera used to walk all the way to Megalla to play football with us. His big brother Sileshi Zewde played for St. Michael of Dire Dawa, which was a talented amateur team. Later on Sileshi moved to Dire Dawa Cotton, after Luciano retired. Sileshi was a highly technical player, his style was similar to the Brazillian Zico.

            Abbera was killed by the evil Derg. Sileshi also disappeared, presumed to have been killed by the Derg. I tried to find out about Sileshi after the Derg was kicked out, but there was no trace of him.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Muzika,

            OMG! So you should know Meshasha Zewdie, his elder brother. I once gave Tekabe Zewdie a lift to holeta where Meshesha was studying at Buli Technical College (from 1976-79). From then on we were friends with both. Some times I used to get into national games via him for free. I used to visit their home whenever I was in Dire. What a small world!! I played football with their younger brother whom I forgot his name…. Believe it or not I still keep in touch with both….

          • Music Novice

            Greetings DD,

            It is a small World indeed.

            Ato Zewde was in the Army and passed away after some illness. So, Sileshi, the Zico of Dire Dawa was the sole breadwinner of the family other than the tiny Army pension they were getting. After his disappearance, the family must have been emotionally and financially devastated.

            Aberra always brought his little brothers with him, one of them must have been Meshesha (I had forgotten his name). But the two kids looked alike.

          • Lamek

            Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be.

            MN and DD, the Amiche’s. No wonder why…!

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Lamek,

            I now get the clear picture of where they (MN and Davy) are coming from. Them, having lived in the Eastern part of Ethiopia they have a different mind set, especially when it comes to ethnic politics. Suffice to say that we all feel the same way as they do, but we are in minority, in every sense. And hence, we need to accept the demands of the majority. We simply have no choice. It is very sad that PFDJ is exploiting it with the highest regard. That is because there is no free press to ask and haunt them of their stand, not just in this regards, but also in every other thing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam DD,

            Do not be submissive to the tyranny of the majority. Stand up and argue for individual and group rights. The Teds and the NNs are here to make you submissive to their interest. Sometimes you have to learn how to be reflexive the Eritrean way.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Hi, Amanuel. I don’t have problem with DD. He made it very clear his heartbreak as proud “Ethiopian” started and ended with the struggle you participated to create independent Eritrea. Leave us alone,. If you have regrets about your past , you owe him an apology.
            PS. for some reason you like getting caught in a fishing net.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ted,

            I don’t how else I can tell you this but I DO NOT SEE POLITICS AS A CITIZENSHIP RIGHT. Hence, I can live anywhere. Now, when the Ethiopians said we do not need you, I didn’t cry around, like you do here day and night, thus I moved on. Now I have no idea where you are getting heart-break and all such. I could have lived in Eritrea as well if they let me in. You should lighten up a bit and stop acting like a retarded politician.

          • Ted

            Hi DD, When your good relationship with Ethiopia/TPLF didn’t work out, You say, no big deal; i say, good for you. But this” I DO NOT SEE POLITICS AS A CITIZENSHIP RIGHT” what does even mean? Not only it is as hollow as saying ” i am global citizen” but also i don’t believe it or you one bit. You got lucky to get the privilege(not a right ,btw) to live where you live but if you were to be no name refuge stuck in one of the refugee camps, you would be dancing on your head to prove your origin or curse the politics that disfavoured you. For the record, can you prove “ Now, when the Ethiopians said we do not need you, I didn’t cry around, like you do here day and night”. If it is an assumption why “ i amichie” dislike TPLF, there is a lot to be assumed about you. From what i read, your story doesn’t add up. This website is notorious for getting the best out of people, sooner than later you will be swinging with what you have in mind. You have a potty mouth for not 1 dimensional fad.

          • Nitricc

            Hi DD you said “I DO NOT SEE POLITICS AS A CITIZENSHIP RIGHT” I am trying to assume what you mean and i was pulled in a different direction. i mean if politics wasn’t a citizen’s right; anyone who isn’t US citizen of the USA would have the right to be a president or politician. the truth is if you are not a US citizen, you don’t even have the right to work in a government jobs. but before i make the assumption; i rather let you explain what you mean when you said ” I DO NOT SEE POLITICS AS A CITIZENSHIP RIGHT”

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Nit,

            Citizen and Citizenship rights are two different things. Your political affiiation should not be used as a deteriment for your citizenship right. In any way, I was only telling him that I do not get involved in politics so long as things do get done with a citizens’ consensus.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Amanuel and Ted,

            I was actually writing about the current realities of Ethiopia and the bitterness of the now marginalized. Especially to those who are double marginalized.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amanuel,

            Be pragmatic and think of what you can do for ordinary folk in Eritrea, you can make a difference to the lives of people that way.

            But you seem to be repeating Western liberal leftist jargon such as “social groups”, ” individual and group rights” which you cannot use to feed, improve literacy, build clinics and hospitals with.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Muzika,

            Here again there is nothing wrong in the people making the decision for themselves and not by a clique group. A country prospers if the populace have a confidence and a say in it. Your old Ethiopia failed simply because it was only for the chosen few. Moreover, few cliques began to tell people that they know best for the country and the people in it.

          • dawit

            DD,
            Just for the record Dawit lived in every region of Ethiopia, North-south-east-west and the center. DD if you really want to know and understand the Stand of PFDJ, you can read the interviews PIA gave to the world since 1970’s. He was asked every thing to be asked under the sun and gave the appropriate answer. If you are not lazy spend some time and listen to what he has to say about EPLF/PFDJ. About his personal political believes start with Nihnan Elamanan. There is an English translation too. Just Google it.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            But that is the whole point. Isn’t it? I do want to understand PFDJ and I want altrenatives too. Of which I have read and understood very well. Why don’t we have a competition and see which one benefits the country and its people? You support PDFJ. Fine! But don’t I and others have the right to support mine and theirs too? It is basic universal human right, Davy!!

          • Abi

            Hi Music
            Do you know Ogaden Hotel in Dire?

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Abi,

            I think it is near the bridge on the Megalla side. Am I right?

          • Nitricc

            Hey MN; do you think there is a good reason why the Eritrean people behave the way they behave? Think about it; they never had the peace and serenity that other societies enjoy. Regarding PFDJ rule; I don’t think it is that bad; with few changes, it is not that bad at all. It will pay-of in a very near future.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Nitricc,

            Without the EPLF/PFDJ, Eritrea will be no more.

          • Lamek

            Hello Mr. MusicaL. Your words are far from music to our ears.

            Questions for you:

            You say, “Without the EPLF/PFDJ, Eritrea will be no more.”

            1. Are you prophesizing or should you have used ‘…would…’ instead of ‘..will…’?

            2. ‘Who’ would make Eritrea ‘no more’ if EPLF/PFDJ were not existent?

            3. How about the Eritrean people?

            3a. Are they heading to ‘no more’ now or not?
            3b. Would they go to ‘no more’ without EPLF/PFDJ along with Eritrea?

            4. How did you come up with this conclusion (“Without the EPLF/PFDJ, Eritrea will be no more.”)? Would you write an article for us with your research findings?

            You may anticipate follow up questions so hang in there by your computer.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Lamek,

            Minus the EPLF, there will be no glue to hold Eritrea together. Believe me I have meditated on this subject longer than you have been having hot meals.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Muzika,

            So this power grab by PFDJ was a premeditated and preconceived then. I can imagine they had it all planned out long ago, while in the field. You know it very well that there is nothing wrong in trying. If we fail then we will all fail as a nation, all of us. Not PFDJ or the opposition alone.

          • Nitricc

            Hey DD; the power hold wasn’t premeditated but dictated by situations. PFDJ had no choice but to hold on to the power till things settled. I have no idea why everyone is forgetting this nation and government have five peaceful years in its existence.I truly believe the TPLF designed war on Eritrea was to break anything Eritrean while sending unmistakable message to the rest of Ethiopians. ” if we can break Shaebia; we will have no problem breaking” kind of message. it is also true, at the end TPLF is the loser. They failed to break Eritrean spinal cord; the failed to send the message to the Oromo and Amhara and worst they lost the Eritrean people. so, i don’t think PFDJ wanted to hold to power this long, rather, forced by situations and they know what they paid for the country. simply put, they can not take the risk when it comes to the topic of the nation.

          • dawit

            Hi Nitricc,
            You are absolutely right and the only patriotic stand for any Eritrean is to stand by their national leadership PFDJ. To oppose PFDJ at this critical time of Eritrean national interest is treason, no matter how the oppositions try to slice and dice it.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            There is nothing wrong in standing by PFDJ but they need to ask the people. Now did they ask the people in any consensus format? That is the missing ingredient.

          • dawit

            DD
            In Liberating and Building a nation, you don’t ask the people consensus. Non of the so called civilized nations did it that way. It took them hundred or thousands years to reach the stage of what you call, “Democracy” and Eritreans are not exceptional people to do it in 25 years. The Greeks are still struggling to have democracy.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Dacy,

            This arguement is as feeble as what Mengie said and done when he assumed power. Look where we are now!
            1. PFDJ was not and is not the sole liberation movment for Eritrea.
            2. Liberation movements do not build countries but liberate only. Show me any liberation movements from western democracies. It is the participation of the poeple that demanded, created and developed their democracies. It is this politcal particiation of the people that paved the way for country building and development.

          • dawit

            DD
            I really admire Mengistu, he had a stand and stood by it, he was able to destroy Ethiopian centuries old Feudal system from its foundation.. Unfortunately he was fed with the wrong history about Eritrea by his predecessors Haile Selassie and Aklilu Habtewold. The pseudo intellectuals who surrounded him like Haile Fidda gave him the wrong advice from their Marxism and Leninism interpretations. So he lead the country into disaster.
            1. Yes EPLF is the sole liberator of Eritrea, those gallant EPLF Tegadelti who marched in the city of Asmara on May 24th 1991.
            2. Yes the People’s Liberation Front of China under Mao liberated and build a strong nation to become the Super Power in just two generation. Iran under the leadership of Komeni. Wester democracy is not a model for Eritrea, most or almost all of the wester democracies were based under colonialists and slave traders.
            3. If you or Amanuel Hidrat do not participate in Eritrean democracy that does not mean Eritrean Hafash is not participating in building Democracy in Eritrea. Sorry I can not post videos from ERiTV here, but if you are interest you can watch it from the source.
            dawit.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Davy,

            1. Mengie: He was misled by the very people who he disagreeed, lined up, and murdered? Say you ain’t kiddin’? What a joke, Davy! Let’s say for the sake of arguement that he was misled by these people that you mentioned; why wouldn’t he stop the war right after he killed them. But no; he had to take it till the end. What is worse is that he ran away, like un-Habesha like, to save his life.

            2. Liberation movements: Here again you are changng topics from here and there. I thought that we were talking about Democracies? Okay, since you brought up China and Iran let’s see what we have.

            2a. Iran do the changing of the guard thereby sets out mandate to be undertaken by an elected president. For this change to had to happened, the people rose up against the Shah and put an end to it. Completely different context of liberation movement.

            2b. China is a communist party led state and hence practice no such democracy as we know it in the west. But they realized that it was not going well for them untill they began to liberalizing the economy and have an election WITHIN THE SINGLE PARTY. The result is what you see today’s China.

            Note: I am not in any way endorsing neither the western style not the Chinese/Iranian style.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Nit,

            That is really a recycled argument. The biggest question is not PFDJ has the right to stick to power until things settle down or not. The people are not consulted in any shape or form. Knowing that Eritrea had parties before and after EPLF, later PFDJ, shouldn’t the people have to have a say? Why does PFDJ has to have the sole inheritance power over the Eritrean political affairs?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dis Donc,
            For a very personal and complex reason, your implied question of “how is Maichew related to Raya” made me feel good. But before I give you the official answer, what you just asked is similar to someone asking “how is Hamasien related to Asmara.” Maichew is the capitol of Raya administrative zone. However, those of us from the low lands, don’t quite put it that way when we are alone. We instead say “Maichew is the town surrounded by Raya.” Now, armed with this insider secret, you are as good as dawit in your knowledge of our local history.

          • dawit

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I don’t think DD will be as knowledge as dawit by stopping for half an hour to eat lunch at bus a stop at Maichew. Dawit knows a lot about the area. You said you are from the low land. Well I used to visit the lowland for several times in the 70’s(work related). From Maichew town. I was driving down a very narrow dirt road with four wheel drive to a small town right at the edge of the rift valley. I forgot the name of the town (I think it may be Samre? Samra? I spent few days there, there was also another town near by but I don’t remember it now, it was several years ago and also getting old! May be you are from those places?

            Now my history book collection? Well my friend I don’t have any book. The stories I am writing here is the stories I heard from real people. I like to travel and meeting people and ask them to tell me about them selves and their towns and villages. Here is an interesting personal story about a Raya women whom I called my grandmother. Her name is Emama Desta. I wrote to Ammde about Segele Torinet between Ras Teferi and Nigus Mikael of Wollo. Emama Desta was one of the Raya girls captured after the war. She was brought to Addis and was working for some Amara family as a slave girl. Finally she was emancipated when slavery was abolished in Ethiopia during Nigist Zewditu’s time when Ras Teferi was in command. That was the time when Ethiopia wanted to join the League of Nations, but blocked by its members (Britain and France)because of slavery practices in the country. Ironically Italy was supportive of Ethiopian membership. So Ethiopia had to abolish slavery to join the civilized League of nations. So Emama Desta started to live as free women, she settled out side Addis Ababa place called Bole, not the Airport but close to it. She supported herself collecting fire wood and leaves from Yeka chaka and selling it in the city. (Incidentally that is also true in Ethiopia, if you are keen enough driving through Ethiopia, you will observe that many young and old women walking to town carrying load of fire wood in their back). She saved some money and bought a haifer. From that heifer she was able to raise heard of milk cows. She made butter and sold it in the city at Silassie Gebeya. (For those who don’t know Addis and the young generation who may not have a clue about its history, it is the oldest market in the city from the time of Menelik.)

            This is the story my mom told me how she first met Emama Desta when I was a baby. My mother went to Slassie gebeya, to buy food staff and she mate this old lady selling fresh butter. After shopping she started chatting with the old lady, where she lives and how many cows she had etc. My mother asked the lady if she will be willing to supply her with fresh milk for her baby. Emama Desta agreed enter a contract and she came with her milk every day rain or shine, and all my brothers and sister nine of us grew up drinking Emama Desta’s fresh milk. Some days if gets late or heavy rain to go back to her home at Bole, so she spend the night in our house and that the time we enjoyed her company telling us her stories.

            The last time I saw Emama Desta was in 1980, when she spent the night at our home, she probably was in her 80’s, it was the day Mengistu was celebrating the establishment his Workers party ESEPACO or some thing like that. The kebele has ordered all bars and restaurants including tej bets and tela bets in the city to close not to sell drinks and food. The only place you can buy those items was at Kebele tents as part of fund raising effort for the war in Eritrea. I asked Emama Desta what was her opinion about Mengistu’s Derg government? She started telling me a story ‘Listen my son Dawit, I have seen several government in my life. I have heard about Menelik, I have seen and lived during, Lij Eyasu period, I lived in this city since Nigist Zewditu’s time, I have seen and lived during the first government of Janhoy, I have lived during the Italian period, then during Janhoy after he returned from exile and now I am living during this government. To tell you the truth my son dawit, I have never seen any government that retail tela. (Tela yemisheqt). This is the only “Komarit” government I have seen in my life”.

            Now Fanti, can you imagine any one describing the Derg as she did from her obsevations. My grandmother Mama Desta from Raya Azebo was a very intelligent women. Bless her Saul She passed few years ago, You can not find such authentic real history from any books. I was lucky.
            .

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            A great story.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dawitom,

            That is a beautiful story. I felt a pang about Emama Desta. Although she made a home away from home, loneliness is a terrible thing even in one’s own country.

            Speaking of oral history, I know an elderly man (my distant relative with lots of marriage compliments) who is a walking history book. He was mid-range aristocrat in the old days, and when he tells me a story, it is complete with the background, the songs of the times that relate to the story, and the aftermath that followed in some cases. He is simply a treasure. I was occasionally fortunate enough to find some history books that matched his story perfectly. One of his daughters, a good friend of mine, once semi-jokingly told me that she stopped talking history with him for fear of finding herself none Ethiopian someday.

            With that said, our regional history is full of gaps, unexplained events, intentional or unintentional omissions/additions, and what have you. I am sure it made sense to the then historians to take these presumed actions, but every time we get a chance to read a number of them, we get closer and closer to the truth. Why was it written, by whom, what did they have to gain or lose by telling that particular story, and cross referencing it with other stories are some of the techniques good scholars use when investigating an event, and we should emulate them whenever possible.

            PS:
            You are about 5 years away from becoming a rare walking history book yourself, but Dawitom, let’s keep in mind that when we talk about current events, we are talking ‘history’ to distant generations. It is an enormous responsibility, and we should try our best not to dilute it with our temporary emotions. I don’t think there is anyone who is not guilty of this weakness, but, I am sure you will agree, some of our regional headaches can be traced back to some “history” that was not told or told erroneously. It is our turn now, and let’s give it our best effort to be better than that.

            Selam.

          • dawit

            Dear Fanti,

            You wrote “when talk about current events, we are talking ‘history’ to distant generations”. That is absolutely true if we white wash the current events and those false testimonies will be accepted as true stories. When the next generation face problems in their time they will keep the distorted history to solve real problem they are facing. The Eritrean problem is a perfect example. I some times sympathies with Mengistu’s stand. He was fed a false story about Eritrea by those before him, Haile Selassie and Prime Minister Aklilu about Eritrea. They never told him how they distorted facts and brought Eritrea into the current Ethiopian map. So Mengistu was risking everything Ethiopia had the meager resources it had to win the war in Eritrea and keep the map the Haile Selassie handed him. At the end after all the disaster Eritrea became independent nation in 1991, something that could have been achieved in late 1940’s or early 1950’s before great blood shade and sacrifices.

            Now look what your TPLF/ EPRDF has achieved and what is doing now. To start with they started right in 1991 by calling every force in the country to form a transitional coalition government. Then they kicked out the out the OLF and NOLF from the coalition. They could do without them. PMMZ thought he was doing smart things for the country. EPRDF claimed 100% of the election. Twenty-five years what do we achieved, we are standing at the same spots where we were in 1991. Border stand off in Eritrea, war in Ogaden, Oromo youth uprising and Amara dissatisfaction in the North. Was this the work of PIA? No. But it is common to blame him as if blaming him will resolve the problems that was gathering from 1991. The so called smart people here at AT stand and sing the distorted history they have been fed. They think they are defending their country Ethiopia armed with distorted history, but is that not what Mengistu did for seventeen years defending the distorted history and geography of Ethiopia?
            Few people come up with real original ideas, most of us just recycle some old idea we heard in some distant past, or read it somewhere were and we take it for grant as the absolute truth without really examining it critically. Now your friend is afraid to deny her Ethiopian identity if she keeps listening to the truth about her country. Now she is afraid the truth she want to fear the sweet lies and not the bitter truth. Now why wood her father lie to her? If he tells us hiding the bitter truth but tell her some sweet lies, is he doing justice to his daughter? Now Fanti, let me say this and close this discussion. My political stand is crystal clear about Eritrea or Ethiopia. When I share what I know, it is not to intended to push this or pull that. I tell is as I see it.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Fanti,

            As I mentioned earlier, I know very little about Tigrai in general, except the Zalambessa and Rama borders. I have always thought that Raya was somewhere near Wello while Maichew is past Mekelle. I have to admit that I am still confused. So Mekelle belongs to Raya as well? Even my Tigrigna was only passable, at best. For some reason my mom didn’t hang out with the Kebesa Eritreans in those days.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dis Donc,

            For what it is worth, you are not alone with this sort of confusion regard the whereabouts of Raya. At least you have a good reason.

            Officially the current Raya map starts from QuiHa, just outside Mekele near the Airport, and goes south until a town called Waja which is midway between Alemata on the north and Qobo on the south. Some of the confusion stems from the historical back and forth swap of the Qobo-Waja environs between Tigray and Wello provinces. One of the results of those swaps was the need to distinguish between the two Rayas, hence the Raya’na Qobo in the Wello side and Raya’na Azebo on the Tigray side. However, the population of these two Rayas for most part understand that these are hypothetical boundaries and has no barrier on how they behave and affiliate.

            Generally speaking, when Welloyes say Raya’na Qobo and Tigreans say Raya’na Azebo, there isn’t as distinct difference as the political boundaries imply. Although it is believed that Raya has always been part of Tigray administration, all the land south of Korem (just north of Alemata) was given to Wello as a dowry when the governor of Tigray (Leul Ras Mengesha Seyoum) married King Haile Selassie’s granddaughter Princess Aida Desta because she is from Wello on her mother side.

            That is the roundup of Raya 101, but watch out for politicians!

          • Haile WM

            dear Fanti

            I am always fascinated by the Raya People, although I cant find material on their History and the ethno-linguistic composition, traditions etc… their unique culture which I find most fascinating is the fact they find them selves in an area where 3 cultures and languages meet.
            Beside this, many time i wonder how history can be ironical… Hailesilasie rule ended up when an European found out there was famine in Wello, a region and people hostile to him from the beginning of his rule, he defeated them in battle, the maychew attack on his army etc… finally what makes him crumble is a famine of the same people who were hostile to him, his ministers were hiding it (some say he didn’t know about the famine he was old and fragile but some also believe he might be revenging on them by simply ignoring their famine)

            can you please give me some more insight and i would really like to find more history and culture about raya people.

            thanks

          • Fanti Ghana

            Dearest Haile WM,

            If I only knew a fraction of it!

            Like most places in our region, there is little written history about that area on which we can rely upon. Occasionally, we find indirect mention of a section of the area mostly relating to some war. As you mentioned, the combination of the geographic location and composition of the people had made the area one of the most interesting, and yet, one of the least known communities of Ethiopia.

            Although the friction between Raya and Haile Selassie is quite famous, they had made peace by then when Mengesha Seyoum intervened and Raya finally “permitted” to be governed by “mengisti.” So, whether Haile Selassie knew about the famine in the 70s is strongly doubtful, at least not the extent of it. It was very common for those under him to make decisions for him under the guise of shielding him from unnecessary headache and innuendo.

            Haile,
            I will let you know if I find anything worth reading in the future.

          • Haile WM

            Thank you Fanti,

          • Amde

            Selam Dawit,

            Actually Fanti and I had a good discussion about it maybe a year or so ago. What is different with what you said was the claim you made that the Raya-Azebo were “siding with the Italians” and “armed” by the Italians to attack Haile Sellasie’s army from the rear. That is a serious charge, and one I have never seen or heard before.

            What Fanti said on this issue, and what I had previously read/heard as well, was that HaileSellasie’s army was attacked by the Rayans during the retreat. In this, at worst the Rayans were opportunistic in their attack, rather than as colluding “partners” of the Italians as you imply.

            The Ethiopian army was undone by a number of issues – command competence may be one of them. But the main reason was the poison gassing from the air. I had the opportunity once to ask a person who was very young at the time, but was able to watch it unfold. (I wish I had recorded it) He said basically it was over by mid-day. Then it was on the retreat that the Rayans attacked HaileSellasie. I don’t know if it was something specifically targeted at him/his entourage, or the army in general.

            In any case, yes he made it back to Dessie quickly, then to Addis then to exile.

            He certainly was bitter about Maichew, and it is said he never wanted to stay a night there. Even though I never visited the “memorial”, I was told it was basically a room where the gathered bones from all the dead in the fields were collected together. (Fanti can correct me if that is the case or not) Not a happy place. And since HaileSellasie hated the place, he didn’t care to make much of a memorial there. It would be politically dicey as well, because it would not just honor the Ethiopian army dead, but it would also stand as an accusative gesture to the locals who may have had a hand in this gathering of bones. Compare that to the two memorials in Addis Ababa, at Sidist and Arat kilo, basically a 15 minute jog apart.

            To be honest with you, this is one of those historical mysteries for
            me. Why did the Rayans attack? Did they hold grievances? Did they have existing political issues? Did the
            retreating army attack someone/something inciting an unplanned resistance? Did a retreating and disorganized army present too good an opportunity for looting and plunder? (For the Rayan peasants, imagine the unbelievable windfall in arms, bullets, clothing, logistics, money such a relatively “modern” army was travelling with) Did the Rayans socio-culturally still see themselves as primarily lowland Oromo clans, arrayed against a mostly highland Christian (and Shewan) force? And how much of that is responsible for sparking or supporting the first Weyane. Because, I can definitely see how HaileSellasie’s punitive land expropriation you described would be grounds for war and an uprising.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde, Dawitom

            Thanks Amde. Regarding why Raya attacked the retreating army is as you correctly summarized our last discussion. Although the reason is widely believed to be frustration at the retreat order in general, a little each of what you suspected could also have added to its magnitude.

            The memorial bones:
            Every year during the annual memorial day morning, Maichew students and teachers would go to the Memorial Halls Gojos in an orderly fashion. The first time I experienced what fear really was, was went I saw that many human skulls piled up in those stone walled gojos for the first time.

            Maichew memorial is such a small affair I can’t help it to think that some powerful beings may have tried to prevent its existence in the first place. It always felt a local affair than a national history to me. It is rare to hear about it outside Maichew, and I don’t remember celebrating it when I was in Mekele for high school. You just gave me lots of homework. I will bring it up on the next Raya Development Association meeting.

            Dawitom,
            I must borrow some of your rare history books brother. You seem to have a collection of them.

          • dawit

            Selam Ammde,

            I hope you don’t mind if I added m to your nickname simply I could not train my word processor to learn your name the way you spell it. Every time I type it changes to Made.

            You see Ammde, history does not pop up in isolation but rather interconnected events make the flow of history. You can make your own history and believe it if that give you pleasure. Maichew battle is not an isolated event, you can connect it to Aduwa. The Italian colonialist Ambition in Horn Africa was not limited to Eritrea alone. It was to colonize the whole region. Italy wanted recreate the old Roman Empire when it ruled the old world. Italians were overwhelmed by the huge Ethiopian worriers assembled by Menelik that resulted to their defeat. After their defeat they went to the drawing board, made peace with Menelik with fresh supply of guns and some economic help to Ethiopia. After the passing of Menelik a power vacuum was created. Iyasu the grand son of Menelik whose father was Nigus Michael of Wollo was assigned the kingship. Unfortunately his cousine Ras Teferi didn’t like that. So with help of Shewan aristocracy, Iyassu was deposed. His father king Michael was not pleased with that.So he assembled his army in Wello to restore his son to the Menelik throne. Ras Teferi armed with modern weapons supplied by French lead the Shewan army. The battle took at a place called at a place called Segele (Yesegele tornet). King Michael was defeated and he was taken as prisoner. Several people specially women and children from Wollo specially from Rayana Azebo were taken as slaves by the victorious Teferi’s army to Shewa. That is where the connection between Segele and Maichew started.

            Now back to Adwa Victory. After their defeat the Italians went home and immediately started planning for their next war in Abyssinia. conduct a SWOT Analysis to identify situational strengths and weaknesses, as well as opportunities and threats.They build their military complex, build tanks, aircraft and chemical weapons muster gas etc. Before the war they also studied the strength and weakness of their enemy. They knew the various power struggles among the Abyssinians strength and weaknesses and they exploited it to their advantage. They approached the Tigrians, they found Ras Haile Sellasie Gugsa, the son-in-law of King Haile Selassie. They promised him to make him the King of Ethiopia, under the Italian crown if he sides with them. Similarly they approached Ras Hailu Tekle Haymanot of Gojam and promised him same kingship under the Italian crown. They also knew about the Raya people agony after they were defeated at Segele, they promised them to avenge their defeat, infiltrated arms and armed them to rise against their Shewa king Ras Teferi. They even has infiltrated deep in the country as far Keffa and made promises to Jimma Aba Jaffers to restore their kingdoms destroyed by Menelik. You see the Italians did their home work after they defeat at Aduwa and before they invaded Ethiopia the second time. Now some innocent people think that the idea of Killilization of Ethiopia to have originated with TPLF/EPRDF under PMMZ, but the truth is an old Italian colonial plan to rule Ethiopia. They were four or five regions Eritrea that included all of Tigrai and Afar territories, Amara more or less the present Amar, Region in the north, and in the south, Galla region which is more or less the present Oromia (there was no Oromo word in those days, every thing was Galla) and Somali regions in the east.

            Now what did Ethiopians did after ‘Aduwa Victory’. There is no need to repeat again what Menelik did to the Eritreans. He took his army to expand his Empire south, west and east. He had ambition to expand it as far as Lake Victoria, unfortunately the British had claimed it before he does. After each expedition he looted the wealth of the people he defeated, and was throwing grand parties to his soldiers called ‘Gibir” So forty years from Aduwa to Michew,

            Ethiopia was still armed with spears and arrows.

            **Ammde, you can believe what ever you want to believe, you can even invent new story, but this is the true history of the people in the region. Dawit does not invent history, he tells it as he heard it from real people. I tell you this we have not learned a thing since Aduwa, except embellishing our fictional false stories just to fill good, but we are just fooling ourselves by creating mirage in the middle of the desert.

          • Amde

            dawit,

            I can agree with most of what you wrote but the Segele-Maichew relationship is pure BS on your part.

            1) Was Raya-Azebo part of King Mikael’s fiefdom during the Segele battle?
            2) Why would there be Rayan women and children in a battle that occurred just outside Addis Ababa?
            3) What Rayan Ras/Dejazmach/Negus did the Italians approach?

            I appreciate your historical knowledge, but when you pull crap like this just because of your Shabiya cadrennet, out of nothing but petty malice, tinish yiwaredalu.

            Amde

          • dawit

            Ammd,
            You can believe it or not, you can also make your fancy stories if you want. Dawit tells it as he heard it from real people. It has nothing to do with Shabia. By the way don’t you think or believe you are more Ethiopian than dawit for a second. There were many Ethiopians who considered themselves more Ethiopians than you, just to count few, Haile Selassie, Prime Minister Aklilu Habtewold and Mengistu Hailemariam. All were wrong about their Ethiopia and finally all their beliefs lead to a disaster on May 24 1991 at the mighty hand of EPLF (SHABIA) who stood on the right side of history all along, and you were ashamed that day and wondered how it happened.. The Ethiopian people don’t need liars who tell them what is not true about their country. Don’t ever mention the name (Shabia) with your filthy writing it is a sacred name. People who don’t know their history can not lead a nation to peace and prosperity, but to another disaster. Mark my word in few years if not months, you capital city Addis Ababa will change its name to FinFine!
            dawit

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello AMAN,

      Thank you. As long as that is your choice I am glad too. By the way, do you realize that your name in Amharic means “come here for a moment” when read backwards?

  • AMAN

    Greetings

    Dear Awates,
    I have a question for anyone here ?
    What is wrong with the person and Political career of Dr. Turabi ?
    None !
    Actually, I see the man and his works as enlightened and intelligent
    works for the good of his people and his country.
    He seems to be successful in stirring and shifting the troubled politics
    of Sudan and putting e it in the right direction and place in accordance
    with the wishes of the people though took them to realize his ideas and
    works.
    As I see it he was ahead of international events to successfully chart and
    place Sudan in a new political culture that is in line with the yet to come
    post cold war new political system in most parts of the world countries.
    I think that is the reason why Sudan whithered away those many trouble
    some political trends and threats successfully.

    He was an intelligent world class political reader who saw things coming
    ahead of time and who placed the politics of his country in the right place
    to withstand threats that may face it to end its continuity as a viable Nation
    or state into the new age.
    Because so many countries were not so successful as Sudan is in their

    transition from cold war into their post cold politics and reality. And this
    was possible only due to his relentless efforts. And he was not a Traditionalist
    but moderate Republican Scholar.

    RIP Dr. Turabi – An excellent mentor.

  • Ayneta

    Awate:
    No matter how you look at Turabi, he was an Islamic fundamentalist who was intolerant to alternative modes of belief system. Why would one name his party Islamic unless he/she is actively trying to discriminate non-Muslims? He may have been flexible in interpreting Islam like SAAY pointed out, but he was intolerant to non-Muslims. I remember the trouble he instigated during late 90’s in Eritrea with his extreme Islamic teachings. That period was the high time where Islamic insurgence was the highest in Eritrea, and it is largely attributed to Turabi. Al Bashir was a politician, Turabi was the spiritual advisor.
    I am at a loss why Awate allowed this article to be published. I find it difficult to fathom the rationale behind it. Here is a guy who was consumed with extreme philosophy of Islam to the detriment of non-Muslims. I even find it puzzling if not disappointing the writer tried to portray Turabi as the ‘fair ‘ man. He was not fair, rather he was biased with his religious inclination. I don’t think it is fair to write an article on the man who was a religious chauvinist who at some time tried relentlessly to destabilize Eritrea. I don’t have any sympathy for fanatics of any sort, including religious types. Let his creator judge him in the next life, but his passing is only a blessing. The world is better with out this religious pig.

  • Adarob

    Hi all,

    Dr.Hassan Al Turabi (RIP) was one of the most influential figures in modern politics. Islamic State according to him is that people should be governed by thier own values and moral excellence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjgaP5lAJU

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Mengistu Hailemariam of Ethiopia used to call Isayas and Dr. Turabi (RIP) “Ye CIA Ghilgheloch.” But soon after the Ethio-Eritrean border war of 1998-2000, these two (Isayas and Turabi) who were hunters of troubles in other countries became the hunted for crimes they committed.

    Isayas like Turabi is excessive attention seeker, most of the time stating controversial opinions and indulging in accusing others of imperfection suggesting that he can run the world better.

    When Isayas’s and Turabi’s relations with the west were good and in full swing, these two plotted against nations using Turabi’s knowledge and Isayas’s guns and as a result many of their best friend countries became failed states including Somalia, Libya, and Yemen. Unlike criminals who return to the scene of the crime, these two never seen to help refugees from those failed states.

    Before the war, Isayas used to tell the Eritrean people that a net of ten years were needed to recover from the ruins of the struggle, fixing the shattered economy and controlling tensions caused by un-employments. When the world responded with $2 billion to kick start the economy of Eritrea and the Arab Gulf countries provided another $3 billion to enable Isayas establish himself as a king, he resorted to a bird’s little by little nest-building approach aka “lavori in economia” in Italian, which is referred to by Isayasists as “self-reliance.” The lavori in economia approach freed nearly 85% of the money he received in aides from donor countries of the world to be diverted to Sawa camp and other programs with a purpose to silence his subjects as a king or wars with neighboring countries. At the same time Isayas started brutal political campaigns against his close comrades who were anti-his dominance. Along with these he launched political experiments of using youth Warsais of XYZs to enslave the Eritrean youth and turn Ghedim Warsais against new Warsais.

    • dawit

      TT,

      You should ask the great Abi, the next professional ladder to an old prostitute. He has the answer ready made. Please don’t mentioned the sacred name of PIA in vain, because it is an irreverent or blasphemous. It is written in the Bible “you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain”
      dawit

    • Hope

      TT:
      First off,RIP,Dr Hassen Al Turabi.

      Since the Article is posted in an ERITREAN website,as Jomo lamented,The Role of Al Turabi should have been discussed in detail from an ERITREAN Perspective as it is none of our business to talk about his PhDs and Intellect.

      Here is the TRUTH the TTs et al cannot hide:

      That Dr Hassen Al Turabi was a Student and the Executor of Osama Bin Ladin’s Policy to Islamize Eritra and,who declared to create ” The Islamic State of Eritrea”!

      We are FULLY aware about the Flip-Flopping,Political Acrobatism and Prostitution of the Sudanese Government led by Al Beshir and Al Turabi!
      Blaming IA?
      On what basis?

      Just coz you hate PIA?

      It was PIA ,who out-smarted and used Al Turabi for the most part, for the best interest of Eritrea!
      Welcome to the Club of Al Beshir and Al Turabi!

  • WEDI JOMO

    Tewekel …Turabi ( Allah Yerhamhu) was a controversial man. For us as Eritreans there are two inputs that Turabi had given and again very controversial . He was a smart politician changing his stand from time to time. Very hard to call him intellectual.
    When the Badme war broke he said Allah made Eritrea and Ethiopia fight each other with the weapon they got from the US which they were supposed to squeeze the Sudan( Africa Confidential , May 28 Vol 39 number 11 p 1)
    And who can forget when he at the grand Mosque in Asmara preached and called Eritrean Muslims to follow Issayas Afeworki by quoting a verse from Koran to support this call of his.
    Last but not least as Journalist we should be neutral and cautious when we write about controversial figures in a way we present balanced opinion.And also we should be relevant to our audience and this to indicate that the deceased might have more interesting views on Eritrea that our audience should know.

    • saay7

      Selamat Wedi Jomo:

      The thing about Turabi was that he was so secure in his knowledge of Islam he was very willing to challenge even the most established dogma. Take the case of misbaha: reciting the names of God 99 times. In conventional debates between the different schools of thought in Islam ( Suffi, Ahmadiya, Selefi, etc), the only argument was whether one can use prayer beads and should use fingers when saying “Subhan Allah”, “AlHamdu lillah” and “Allahu Akbar” 33 times each.

      I once saw a video of him addressing University of Khartoum students where he says none is necessary and this is how he put it: supposing you sat next to me and kept whispering “Turabi”, “Turabi”, “Turabi”, “Turabi” over and over. I would be very annoyed. Now what makes us think that God wouldn’t be annoying by us constantly reciting his name.

      Well, that kind of religious freedom is extremely refreshing and can only happen in very few places (Sudan) and by very few people (Turabi.) In any Gulf country, such a statement by anyone would probably result in, at the very least, lashing and more likely beheading.

      Rest in peace, Turabi.

      saay

      • WEDI JOMO

        SAAY…thanks …you are right he was so secure in his knowledge…what I meant is what was his significance to Eritrea and Eritreans?

        • saay7

          Selamat Wedi Jomo:

          The quote you had about him citing the Quran to Eritrean Muslims to tell them what a great leader Isaias Afwerki is shared by his protege, Omar Al Bashir, who said the same thing at a Friday sermon in an Asmara mosque.

          Al-Turabi was very relevant to Eritrean politics from the late 1980s, when he was the magnet of the Eritrean Islamists, all the way to the late 1990s, until about the time Omar Al Bashir showed the world that, notwithstanding all the fawning press on Al Turabi, it was he, not Turabi, that was the real power in Sudan. Essentially, the two were in a race for power: Turabi was looking for a general to replace Omar Al Bashir, and Omar Al Bashir was looking for a Sudanese with the right Islamic credentials. Omar Al Bashir won.

          In the mid-1990s, Isaias Afwerki was quoted by The Economist as saying he was prepared to do anything (“the sky is the limit”, he said) to overthrow the Bashir/Turabi government. He clarified it more by saying that he was not trying to amend the behavior of the Al-Bashir/Turabi government, but overthrow it. (He got more ribbons on his chest for being part of “frontline state in war against Islamic fundamentalism” from the US then.) This went on all the way until the early 2000s, when Al-Bashir and Isaias Afwerki reconciled and the Eritrean opposition was kicked from Sudan. This, no doubt, had something to do with Isaias Afwerki creating a leverage inside Sudan specifically South Sudan, Darfur, and East Sudan.

          saay

          • dawit

            Cousin SAAY,
            It is time for Professor Dawit to go back to school and be the student of the great professor SAAY. Can you Professor Saay teach me the Quran lesson that Al-Turabi and Al-Beshir quoted at Asmara Mosque to support PIA’s leadership. I think that could improve ‘Dawitism’ from other sources. I look forward for the lesson.
            Cousin dawit.

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            It is not dawitism. This time it should be daudism.
            Aqzubilahi!

          • dawit

            Abiye,
            Isum yaskedal. dawitism=daudism. Time for another revelation of family history. My grandmother was a Moslem before she married my grand father and converted to Christianity. She always called me ‘daud’ never ‘dawit’. The Christian bible in the Tigre language also refer to dawit as daud, like song of david or mezmur dawit is derus daud and God is refered Rebi.. .

          • saay7

            Cousin Dawitom:

            Well. I think I have something better for you.

            Remember when you were discussing Queen Yodit with His Fantiness you were making the point that Ethiopians don’t respect their queen whereas Europeans venerate their heroines and you gave the example of Joan of Arc? Well, the late Hassan Al-Turabi made a very similar point in an interview with a reporter that, I think, I either translated or excerpted in 1994.

            This was his point: he said, why is it that when Europeans have some bloody change of government they give it beautiful names like “le révolution”, “coup d’etat” but when we Africans do it, it is always “riot” and “religious war” and “ethnic conflict”? I am writing from memory but his point was that the Islamic Revolution in Sudan was revolution that overthrew Western values for Sudanese values.

            Anyway, to answer your question, I don’t know any verse in the Quran that is the equivalent of “Render to Caesar the things are Caesar’s, and to God the things are God’s.” Nor do I know of any verse in the Quran that sanctions hereditary rule or royalty, as it places STRONG emphasis on rule by “shura” (consultation.) And, lastly, an unjust bully must be disobeyed: in fact, your namesake, (David is Dawud in Islam) was famous for slaying a bully (Goliath), he was given his own book (Book of Psalms) and his singing was so melodic he enchanted even birds and mountains. But I am extremely (and believe me, this is no false modesty) unqualified to say more.

            Now then, on the late Turabi and Al Bashir. Above all, regardless of their titles, these two are politicians who understood power, and whom to ally with. Turabi, as SGJ will tell you, never understood why secular Eritreans were in opposition and exiled after Eritrea was liberated: go home, was his advice. He had other ideas with Eritrean Islamists, whom he charmed and molded and, at the right time abandoned. Al Bashir said something you will really like at an Asmara mosque: not only is Isaias Afwerki qualified to lead Eritrea, he is qualified to lead all of Africa. Nope, he didn’t get that from anywhere in the Quran; he got it from “how do I have a peaceful Eastern neighbor” political manual. As I say often, Al Bashir is probably one of the most underrated politicians in Africa: he knows how to survive and he knows what to say and when to say it. Last Ramadan, I saw a video of him giving a “heartfelt” sermon to a gathering of Sudanese elders and how shameful it is and how “we all bear responsibility” for the death and carnage in Darfur. A Muslim killing a fellow Muslim, he wondered in mock outraged. I am sure the next day he gave an order to kill many more, until UNAMID (the AU-UN “peacekeepers”) essentially had to cower and hide.

            Long answer, to a short question: you should never ask a Professor a question about a subject that is not his expertise:)

            saay

          • dawit

            Dear Cousin SAAY
            Thank you for your modest answer to my complicated questions to a professor whose who think he is not his expert in the field of Islamic religion.
            By the way my grandmother who was a Muslim before she married my grandfather and converted to Christianity she always called me dawud and in Tigre Bible David is referred as Dawud and Moses is Musa as Memhir Musa Aron and Marry is Miriam and God is Rebi and the Bible is Kitab Qdus. .Now back to ‘Dawitism or Dawudiam’ you said both Al Turabi and Al Beshir were politicians who respected another politician PIA. What did they saw in Tegadali Isaias that today’s opposition figures failed to see and refere to him as the ‘Devil’? Cousin you are forcing me to come out my retirement as Pastor Dawit. Here are quotes from the Christian Bible Matthew
            13:57 “And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” And Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own
            town, among his relatives and in his own home.”. I think that must be true for ages of history. What Tegadali Jesus said was also true for the Prophet Mohamed, when he first started his teaching the word of One God or Alah to his people. From your description of the two men Beshire and Turabi understood well ‘Dawudism’ and that why they stood with Tegadalay Isaias. Beshire is right Tegadalai Isias could have been more than qualified to lead Africa, than the 50+ baboons who are creating havoc throughout the continent. I agree with you Al Beshire is the smartest
            politician in Africa, making peace with his neighbors to the East, Eritrea and Ethiopia. I don’t buy you assertion that he created the crisis in Darfur region of Sudan. Why should he? Are they not his people like those Sudanese people who live in East and South? Judging with what is going with the media, I believe Al Bashir is a victim of the same people or journalists who are now demonizing PIA. Now the core message of Dawitism or Dawudism’ is how we can achieve Peace and Stability in Eritrea and the rejoin with least cost or loss of human lives. It is not to protect dictatorship or cult worshiping. Just a simple common sense and practical approach to centuries old complicated problems in Eritrea and the region.
            Regards,
            dawud

          • saay7

            Selamat Professor Dawit:

            Well, I am no biblical scholar but even I know that you are misapplying “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” In modern times, that quotation is applied on people who were not appreciated by their own people within a confined space/time. That is, they were appreciated much later on (time) or appreciated further from their home (distance.) Examples of these are individuals whose greatness is only recognized generations later (Van gogh, Bach, Thoreau…Osman Saleh Sabbe) or individuals who are appreciated far from home (like the strange French obsession with American comedian Jerry Lewis and American blues musicians who were “discovered” by British rock n’ rollers.)

            Many of these prophets are not understood by their own people as they speak hard truths that their people find impossible to understand or accept. They are often ostracized, rejected and often die penniless and alone.

            Now, then. Let’s take the case of Prophet Isaias Afwerki Abraham I. Ever since he became a public figure, the people have venerated him; mothers composed ditties for him, his contemporaries spoke glowingly about his talent; his followers spoke of him as an extraordinary human being: humble, exceedingly intelligent, hard-working, visionary. The people trust the judgement of his colleagues and his colleagues trusted the judgement of the people creating concentric loops of escalation–from respect, to love, to adore, to worshipping him like a demi-god without whom the whole country would enter a frightening abyss.

            So, no. There is no foreign power that considers him a prophet, unless you consider the very marginal hard-leftists that crop up once in a while to praise him in obscure pamphlets and even they don’t praise him for what he does, but for whom he antagonizes: the West. And the minute he stops doing that, poof, they are gone.

            Now, Omar Al Bashir. All you have to remember is that he gave his speech about the horror of “Muslims killing Muslims! Shock! Gasp!” near the end of last Ramadan (July) and in November he had pocketed $2 billion dollars to have Sudanese fight and die in Saudi’s war against Yemen.

            saay

          • dawit

            Dear Cousin Saay,
            I am not referring to the people who accepted PIA leadership, as a matter of facts, the kebero jenkies as some refer to them, they identify with PIA, by saying “nhna-nsu, nsu nhna”. I am referring to those who do not approve of him a leader of their country. Can you get hold from YouTube or any source about a classical song called ‘Ngusie, Ngusie wedoboy somebody, Izom Adna Izom Ayashu, Teakibom Embom Zefrsu, Zeyembana, Emba men Ferisu’. That is a song that apply to the opposition today, who work day and night to drag PIA labeling him as the Devil in Africa. That also tells a true story today what is going in Libya after the Libyan people killed Gadafi. Do you see Cus what ‘Dawudism is trying to avoid in Eritrea today?
            dawud, dawit

          • saay7

            Ahlan Cousin Dawud:

            I thought that 99.99% of Eritreans support Tegadalai Isaias Afwerki and the 0.01% Tulkuyat KedaAt shyuTat don’t matter. That’s all I hear all day every day since 2001:)

            I know what you are saying about Libya; I hope you will know what I am saying: the disaster in Libya was partly caused by Gadafi who ruled with iron fist from 1969 to 2011: that is 42 years. In those 42 years, what did he do to make sure that post-Gadafi Libya didn’t happen? What did he do to have a smooth power succession? It is the same thing in Somalia: people always talk about post-Siad Barre Somalia without mentioning what Siad Barre did to create it. It is the same in Eritrea: Isaias Afwerki has done nothing to have a successful power succession. Even if we accept, for the sake of argument, that Eritrea can only have one political party, this political party–PFDJ–hasn’t had a congress since 1994.

            saay

          • dawit

            Selam Cousin Saay,

            Have you heard “One bad apple spoils the whole bunch.” ?

            You can have 999 good apples and one bad apple in a bag and you will discover the whole bag rotting in few days. There were few people who made hell to the Libyan people in a matter of few months. Do not think our Eritrea will be different if such people succeed. ‘ለሓጣን የመጣ መዓት ፡ ለጻድቃን ይተርፋል። Think about it seriously cousin.
            dawit, dawud

          • saay7

            MerHaba Cousin Dawit:

            I feel and empathize with your tone, it feels heartfelt. You and I appear to have a difference common in all Root Cause Analysis. It is identifying what is a Cause and what is a Contributing Factor . And it is not just a difference between two cousins; it is, I believe, the difference between the supporters of the government and those who don’t.

            A government supporter will say the Cause for Eritrea’s problems are: United States, and to a lesser extent, Weyane, and to a much lesser extent, the Opposition. To the extent the gov supporter will acknowledge that the government even plays a contributing role, s/he will quickly mention it, quickly rationalize it and move on.

            An opponent of the government will say the Cause for Eritrea’s problems are: well, here we are all over the place:) Some of us say Isaias Afwerki, some the entire system, some go all the way to Ghedli. To the extent the opponent will acknowledge that the US, Ethiopia or the opposition even plays a contributing role, s/he will quickly mention it, quickly rationalize it and move on.

            When this happens, usually the competing sides talk and find for a compromise. But the side you are on is very big on not talking. It follows the slogan of “We must resolutely rebuff our adversaries (ንተጻባእቲ ንሓንሳብን” ንሓዋሩን) and every day is Resolute Rebuff day.

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi saay, are you in a way absolving Hilary from wrongdoing. She is not even your favorite. Or is it you don’t want dawit to be right as nibbing Dawitsim in the bud;-) Relatively speaking, Libyans had stable life, good income , education and security and was the envy of africans by any standards, and behold, our i know it all bosses of the world thought they can improve on that or is it?. Viola, ሊቤያ አትብላእ አይትስተይ, (እንታይ ማለት ዝተኧመጸ ዝርገም – it is how it is done when translating “Blaming the victim”);-) In all honesty people expected Sanders or Republicans ,for that matter, to hit her hard on her blunder and miscalculation. Surprise, surprise, no beep or display, mum’s the word and there is no expert to tell us why and the difference between Republicans and Democrats, may be because there is none. What we hear is the petty stuff like email and her wall street connections. Either way, it is the interesting time to see how US foreign policy can be forced to adjust to the reality in the world in the coming years.

            Al bashir is very interesting character, he has played the chaos around him beautifully to serve him and to stay in power. IA is one of them, You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. IA got a lot more out of this deal. Ethiopia is his another crown and jewel. Knowing there is a good chance Ethiopian politics slips out of TPLF’s hand, I wonder what his infatuation is with TPLF is. He is damn good and served him well long enough. I have my theory, TPLF has been a good friend smoothing relation with US.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ted:

            First, don’t think I didn’t read your little snark about the Warriors: I am saving it for our weekend discussion.

            Second, just wait for the General Election after the parties nominate their candidates, then Hillary Clinton’s video in Libya where she said, “we came, we saw, he died” of Muammar Qaddaffi will be in a loop. Right now the GOP is busy trying to deal with this damn annoyance called democracy where ordinary people expect that just because they vote for someone he should win:)

            On Gaddafi, please refer to my cousin Dawoud on differences between causes and contributing factors.

            What makes Omar Al Bashir a survior is that he is extremely flexible. One year he was sending assassins to Addis to kill Hosni Mubarek and is sanctioned for it, the next he has excellent relations with Ethiopia. One year, he is on Isaias’s hit list, the next, he is a bosom buddy. One day, he is talking about how Iranians are his strategic allies and Saudis are too dependent on the West to be allies, the next he is ditching Iran and signing up with the Saudis. But: he has killed Sudan: it is a sanctioned country; he inherited institutions like the University of Khartoum whose reputation was so grand that its credits were directly transferrable to Oxford and Cambridge and is now a joke. See, Ted, that’s what the Bashirs and Isaias’s do: as they suck up all the nation’s resources to enhance their rule, they starve their nations institutionally.

            saay

          • Hope

            …..
            Hilarious Prof SAAY :
            But you are cursing and demonizing PIA for trying to be ” Flexible” albeit belatedly by ignoring the Iranians and welcoming and supporting the Saudis!

            Now,I heard that the Ethiopian President is going to visit the Saudi Kingdom to reconcile with SA and most likely to deliver a “Letter of Solidarity and Support ” against ” Terrorism” or even to offer SA to join the Saud led Coalition besides tying to persuade the Saudis to sabotage PIA and Eritrea!
            Or may be to “warn and threaten” SA for building a Military Base in Djibouti,and /or to stop the GCC effort to reconcile Eritrea and Djibouti led by SA !!

            Have your say Prof!

          • dawit

            Well Cousin,
            We may have reached the zero point of diminishing return in our Tic Tack Toe game. You murder a leader and all his followers you create chaos, then you blame the victim for the chaos. “Oh He did not have a transition plan”!. Hard to reconcile ‘Dawitism’ with ‘Saayism’. Let us just call it a draw for now and quit, I must admit it was fun game.
            dawit

          • saay7

            Indeed Cousin:

            Dawitism appears to be outraged by the death of one king (“a leader”) and seems to be uninterested about the hundreds if not thousands that Gaddaffi raped, tortured and killed in his 40 plus year of rule. You are uninterested in damning evidence and testimonies of the victims so, yes, we move on.

            saay

          • dawit

            Well Cousin Saay;
            You win the game but not the argument. You deserve Rose Buke!
            dawit

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            What do you think of the following Hadiths from Bukhari?

            Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 251 –

            Narrated Abu Huraira:
            “Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah, and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me.””

            Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256 –

            Narrated Anas bin Malik:
            “Allah’s Apostle said, “You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.””

          • saay7

            Selamat MN:

            Hell to the no: I am not doing Quranic or Hadith interpretations and I blame Dawit for even getting me to share from what little I know so far:)

            Other than to say this: I have a dear friend who quotes “even if he was an Ethiopian who head looks like a raisin” in Arabic ( “…wa law kan Abden Habeshiyen…” ) to make his argument that the Hadith is not “for all time and all people” but “for a specific time and a specific people.”

            That itself is not a new argument: it is called, I believe, “the scandal of pecuiliarity”: that if a holy book is for all time and all people, then how come its language, its reference point, and even the prophets themselves appear at a single time, single space and most of the time in the Middle East and Far East?

            saay

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            Have you read a book by Julian Jaynes entitled “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind”? After reading this, you may not escape the conclusion that the so called prophets may have been hallucinators.

            Here is an overview from the Julian Jaynes society:

            In January of 1977 Princeton University psychologist Julian Jaynes (1920–1997) put forth a bold new theory of the origin of consciousness and a previous mentality known as the bicameral mind in the controversial but critically acclaimed book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Jaynes was far ahead of his time, and his theory remains as relevant today as when it was first published.

            Jaynes asserts that consciousness did not arise far back in human evolution but is a learned process based on metaphorical language. Prior to the development of consciousness, Jaynes argues humans operated under a previous mentality he called the bicameral (‘two-chambered’)
            mind. In the place of an internal dialogue, bicameral people experienced auditory hallucinations directing their actions, similar to the command hallucinations experienced by many people who hear voices today. These hallucinations were interpreted as the voices of chiefs, rulers, or the
            gods.

            To support his theory, Jaynes draws evidence from a wide range of fields, including neuroscience, psychology, archeology, ancient history, and the analysis of ancient texts. Jaynes’s theory has profound implications for human history as well as a variety of aspects of modern society such as mental health, religious belief, susceptiblity to persuasion, psychological anomalies such as hypnosis and possession, and our ongoing conscious evolution.

            Jaynes’s theory can be broken down into four independent hypotheses:

            1) Consciousness — as he carefully defines it — is a learned process based on metaphorical language.

            2) That preceding the development of consciousness there was a different mentality based on verbal hallucinations called the bicameral (‘two-chambered’) mind.

            3) Dating the development of consciousness to around the end of the second millennium B.C. in Greece and Mesopotamia. The transition occurred at different times in other parts of the world.

            4) The neurological model for the bicameral mind.

          • saay7

            Hey MN:

            Yes, I am familiar with Jaynes work: as I mentioned before, I had one of the most fearless professors in my “comparative religious studies class.” I didn’t find him persuasive then, you gotta give me a little time to find out why. For one thing, even by Jaynes timeline, man had developed consciousness by the time that the New Testament and Quranic prophets arrived– less than 3,000 years ago?

            saay

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam WEDI JOMO,
      .
      It is interesting what you said about Turabi at the Grand Mosque in Asmara. He was calling for unity behind Afeworki. Since, I don’t know much about the person, could you mention few highlights of his relationships to Eritrea.
      .
      Mr. K.H

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Dr. Turabi, RIP, was a man of many memories in his fight for a united Sudan. Dr. Turabi was Isayas’s best friend and partner in a fight against world isolation. Similar as Dr. Turabi’s, Isayas’s hostility to the world led to his isolation and exclusion from attending world conferences and even facing out-phone range with world officials. Isayas is shunned by his close friends as was the case with Dr. Turabi for fear of their friends not be blacklisted by association.