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Never Were Never Will Be Bedfellows

The following comment was posted at Awate Forum by Hayat Adem.


There were plenty, more dramatic, and more shocking tests that faded away without angering the Eritrean public. The 1997 constitution was never part of the Eritrean value and culture. Shooting kids from the back for the crime of trying to cross the border is incompatible with the Eritrean culture. It didn’t send shock waves. Punishing a dead body of a colleague and comrade by denying his remains a two-meter square resting space for undisclosed crime is unusual in the Eritrean culture. Keeping heroes and heroines in a remote, harsh area without a court decision, for years, and letting them perish one by one, is shocking.

Learning about the sea-death of hundreds of youth including a birthing mother should have been a source of awe and hearing for the very government that was supposed to lead public mourning of the loss, with the national flag flying at half mast. Denying to recognize the loss of the victims as an Eritrean loss and allowing them proper funeral should have been a source for a public uproar. Compared to these events, the constitution is nothing near that to serve as a rallying gravity of public anger and fury.

I think the logic of criticizing the opposition for not using the unborn, or murdered, constitution as a rallying document is as twisted as the road in the photo of this article’s entry. The opposition was never allowed to be part of any political process in Eritrea from the beginning. It was not even allowed to organize support for the referendum for independence. EPLF/ PFDJ never recognized the opposition in words or/and actions as stakeholders in the Eritrean affairs. It never invited it to be part of Eritrea.

Usually, ruling parties invite the opposition out of magnanimity or farsightedness to get on board and to join in the process. That was never the case here. EPLF must be the meanest liberator ever seen in some aspects. What happened in Eritrea was totally the opposite: the opposition read the independence euphoria, and intoxication of the people and it didn’t want to stand on the way. Some of its members offered to mobilize their supports for independence in the referendum voting, but were rejected. Some of them had demobilized their armed wings and cadres to give a chance.

The opposition demonstrated magnanimity and left the entire show to the EPLF, in the early years of independence, it swallowed the patience pills, and went on hibernation and exile to let the people take their moment of enjoying the independence. EPLF was spending this independence mood so crazily like an infinite resource. Supporters were cheering up every move of the Front just as crazily through all the jumpy, bumpy and sleepy road and journey.

First it was visibly and recklessly jumpy. It was torching fires here and there: insulting UN, insulting OAU, elbowing the Sudan, punching Yemen, and squashing Djibouti, jumping on Ethiopia’s throat…and the party was being cheered up for all that: “Go EPLF, Go Isaias, Go Isaias!”

The opposition was trying to say something, unfortunately nobody was willing to listen. If you weren’t hearing the opposition then, it means you were not listening. And that was exactly what was wrong with the Isaiasim wagon. Everyone cheers and claps and nobody listens.

Then came the bumpy phase: EPLF/PFDJ came out weak and deflated from the war with Ethiopia, it grew at odds with itself and went on a massive trimming and shedding action, it fell out of grace with the West and the US, UNMEE was kicked out, isolation and sanction caught up. Then the roaring of the lioness evaporated and the selaHtawi loneliness crept in. The talk of Mekhete was louder than any talk about the constitution (unborn or murdered). And that was what Isiasism looked like as the constitution, which was written to play a role in that Isaiasim, was wearing layers of dust because the author had better ways to advance Isaiasism. It is like an army commander who chose to use air raid rather than infantry in a certain theater. Can we blame it on the opposition, blame it for not applauding and defending the book of Isaiasim when its creator trashed it to the dust bin with all its accumulated dust? Hell, No! The opposition should write its own rallying book. Remember, it ceased to be good enough for its author let alone for the opposition which demanded greater inclusiveness and broader platform.

Then came the sleepy phase: we are living it!

This phase is centrally characterized as “nothing happens until something happens.” Citizens can read the situation for what it is. That is why they are making tough decisions at family level. The opposition camp clearly knows what is needed. But many of the resources and instruments are still with the mafia group, aka the PFDJ system, aka Isaisism. The opposition should be hard pressed to come up with innovations for saving the nation from slipping into a civil war,. So far there are enough blame around to share–for the many indecision and inaction that brought so much national paralysis, for not responding decisively to the national situation. But not acting to undo the burial and save this constitution, should not be one of them. You can’t blame the opposition for failing to defend the Isaias book which is abandoned by himself; it should not be missed by any of us.

The recent utterances of Isaias regarding that document signifies nothing except that he has grown derelict, that now he can’t make any move except re-appearing as an old man staring at his shadow from the ceiling light-bulb, and disliking it, and then switching a seat to only see the same shadow in different shape and size.

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  • Hope

    Ethiopia is safe from terrorists coz IA kept them away.
    Am not talking about al shebang now.
    IA kept Eritrea weak in all aspects including the exodus of the Youth,hence,he is executing the Weyane Agenda of breaking the back bone of Eritrea.
    So,the only thing the Weyanes have to do is sit back and closely monitor the drama with a remote control.

    • Amde

      Hope,

      Just wanted to say that “al-shebang!!” is a cooler sounding name than “al-shebab”.

      Kudos!!

      Amde

      • Abinet

        AlShebab + bang= alshebang.

        • Amde

          Abinet

          You forgot the exclamations. I added those as a bonus. tinish maTafeCiya liCemir biye new. Alshebang!! is a really cool name.

          ye Exclamation amariNa sm gin TefabiN. Ibakih tecereN kastaweskew.

          Amde

          • Abinet

            Ante qeshim !!!!
            Exclamation in Amharic
            ” qale agano” = maganen
            Eyobe yeteshale yicherhal

      • Hope

        Mr/Ms Amde,
        My “pleasure”,Sir!
        Kudos to you as well for picking it up!
        Diros,min kumnegher alachu’na Gurra’ena mastebabel besteker!
        I am glad you read my message though,which is what matters.

  • Hope

    Gual Agame,
    FYI:
    There is a serious fear of the unknown…. Moreover,do not underestimate the complex security apparatus of the system,which has turned all Eritreans against each other.
    Plus,” bo ghizie le kulu.
    To some believers,they believe God has His own plans for Eritrea and Eritreans.
    No,we do not want you to die for us as you already died more than enough for NOTHING but for old and obsolete grudges and inferiority complex… as your own Masyers at the State Department testified it.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Abu Saleh,

    Thank you for retrieving my article and linked it to my comment. I also saw it at the “tebeges” file in its right place. For sure, I always give you additional work. My friend appreciation is enormous and endless. But, in order to have awatistas the full picture of my argument could you also retrieve part-I and file it. Thank you again.

    Regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Kokhob Selam

    Tesfa Brhan Hawey,

    keep it up. none but none in awate has taken such bold stand. you are on the top of all, on this Constitution topic there are people who stand straight but you are on the top of all -hero!

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      ኣብዚ ቅድሚት’ባ ኣምጺእኩም ንፋስ ኣይተህርሙና ክቡር ኣይተ ኮኾብ ስላም።

      • Kokhob Selam

        ኣብሽር !! ኣጆኻ ካብ ‘ቶም ሰብ ንቅድሚት ሰዲዶም ዘጥፍኡ ኣይኮንኩን ::ቅድሚኻ ስጥሕ :

  • Shum

    Amde,

    You’re still not getting it. You can compare who was better between Isaias and Haile Selasse all you want and reach your own conclusion. I sent you the link because the Ethiopians on this forum seem to get in a hissy fit whenever a single mention of Ethiopia or an individual Ethiopian is made and look at the discussion on the forum. It has nothing to do with the Constitution discussion. So let me backtrack and remind you and everyone else how this picture came about.

    1. Isaias states in an interview that ’97 Constitution is effectively dead with a tirade about what we’ve learned and mentions they are working on a new one.

    2. There are folks on this forum such as Saleh Johar and Amanuel Hidrat who are of the opinion, if I may paraphrase, that he created the Constitution and he abolished it. It wasn’t an inclusive process anyway, so good riddance. We told you so.

    3. There are other folks on this forum such as Mahmoud Saleh and Saleh Younis who are making the case that the Constitution was as inclusive as it could be for an organization that effectively won the war effort plus it included individuals from what were historically ELF. It’s not perfect, but it is a good starting point.

    4. Saay made points in various postings and an article about the need for the opposition to make a moral, administrative and LEGAL argument against PFDJ and without championing the Constitution, they cannot do the latter as the other international standards (human rights, etc) are too lofty and have no jurisdiction or impact with the Eritrean people.

    5. The comparison between Haile Selase and Isaias on the Constitution is that they both act like entitled Elects of God and do away with agreements and law as they wish. During the Federation, this became a rallying cry along with the replacing of languages, flag and burning of books in Tigrinya and Arabic. They did it through passing resolutions in the Assembly, strikes, bloody protests and making appeals to the UN. For Eritreans today, it is being argued if the Constitution should be a rallying cry. Or Nahhhh! (sorry I couldn’t help it)

    6. Personally, this picture should have gone on Saleh Younis’ article and not Hayat’s as she’s making the case that the Constitution is not a shared Eritrean value and she’s making the moral and administrative argument. Well, that’s what she did in the article, I think she’s now back in the forum begging Ethiopia to invade Eritrea again.

    7. Like clockwork, we have people blaming Saleh Johar for the picture because he hates Haile Selase because you know, he’s a Muslim or he must have experiences that shaped his thoughts.

    8. Nitricc gets into his infant mode and teases the Ethiopians with nonsense and stupidity. They reply in kind.

    9. All this over a f*****g picture of Haile Selase. Good God!

    • saay7

      Whoa Nelly

      Epic Shum.

      I will have what you are having. Waitress!

      saay

      • Shum

        In the spirit of Charles Hitchens, I always have a glass of premium Scotch Whiskey, not that Red Label. I’m in that just under 40 category, we always reach for the top shelf. You’d better order a bottle of O’doul’s.

        • saay7

          Haha, checkmated, Shum:)

          Remember all the Ethiopian rally around our emperor has NOTHING to do with Eritrea. It’s the Ethiopian version of Hade lbi Hade hzbi… When Weyane wishes Aboy Sebhat would just shut the hell up about Menelik, it’s not about Eritrea but about Ethiopian unity. When Ethiopian rally around Haile Selasse, it’s all about Ethiopian unity. The Ethiopian rules of engagement at awate are:

          1. We would like to say everything we want about Eritrea;

          2. You better not say anything about Ethiopia because then our feelings will be hurt and we can always count on the Eritrean amen corner to say (a) don’t externalize Eritreas problem (b) don’t promote enmity between the two people. And like wind up toys, the Amen Corner mimes it 🙂

          Insert appropriate Christopher Hitchens quote here:)

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Resolution 2005? I think you are 10 years late.. 🙂

            I will get back to you about your jibes about Ethiopians in this forum in a few.. I have to calibrate… 🙂

          • Shum

            Hey Saay,

            This Aboy Sebhat is very interesting to me. I was serious about Aboy Saleh interviewing Aboy Sebhat. I think it would be good to hear his views. He’s older now which means he should be more open to talk as long as he has an audience.

            I agree with the “Ande Hzb” sentiments. It’s strange to see it on the Web because I don’t get this sort of reaction in real life when engaging Ethiopians. Sure, there are people who have high regards for Haile Selasse but not to the point of “how dare you”. I think a lot of it has to do with mistrust between our people to where we can’t engage each other in good faith.

            I always look forward to reading Amde’s post but his whitewashing of Haile Selasse in describing the brutality as “dirty business” is shocking. I hope to one day invite him to She’eb, Ona and the hundreds of villages where massacres were past times so he can personally deliver this message to them. I can understand why an Ethiopian would think he was a good king for Ethiopia, but why can’t you acknowledge he was terrible for Eritrea. You can hold both views and still be an Ethiopian with everything intact.

            I really wish Haile Selasse was an Elect of God. Then at least God would’ve told him what he told the other Elect of God, Menelik, “Let them go”. Flip Flopper! None of us would have to pontificate any of this crap.

            As for Hayat, here’s what tells me that most, if not all of the Ethiopian forumers, are real life decent people. As she’s going from article to article, pleading and begging for Ethiopia to invade Eritrea, they’re kindly replying to her, no thank you. I play video games. It makes war look easy. You can press a button and go from campaign to campaign with endless attempts until you win. Hayat sounds like a video gamer who doesn’t understand reality. Eritreans need to rise up against this regime. If we can’t do that, then we deserve who we have.

            I think you’re being harsh on some of the folks who don’t value the Constitution. Though I do share you sentiments regarding ideas that won’t work in Eritrea like Ethnic-federalism. Yeah, just what an African country needs, citizens who are hypersensitive and aware about their ethnicity. I think the opposition should use the Constitution issue, but the main thing we should be focused on is chipping away at Isaias’ legitimacy. Legitimacy is huge for traditionalist societies like ours. Haile Selasse and the kings of the past had it because using religious-political hierarchies. I always wondered how Ethiopians and Eritreans were able to chip away at Haile Selasse’s legitimacy and if there is anything we can learn from that. I think we talked about this before using Rovian tactics where his supposed strengths are turned into weaknesses. I laid out a few arguments regarding Sovereignty, Self-Reliance and other topics. The question is how do we impact the change in Eritrea to where either the population rises up and says enough is enough or those around Isaias lose their “benefits” and hence any loyalty to keeping him in power.

            I wonder what your new role will be here. I enjoy having you on the forum, but I do prefer more content from you and SJG. I think audio and video would be cool. Did you guys ever looking into the bloggingheads idea? I don’t know if it is costly. BTW, I hope you have material like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zICDYLbhjM

            Some of the impressions were killer, especially that Mushmush, Hilkus Girma Asmerom. And the hypothetical questions by SJG were killer. I can tell from the presentation both of you excel in Math, typical Eritreans.

    • Saleh Johar

      Shum, the next one is on me–send me the bill 🙂

  • Kokhob Selam

    ኣረ !ትልቅ ሰው ሆኖ ኣያውቅም ::

    • Nitricc

      Aqatari, you are too old to be that. dedeb.

      • Kokhob Selam

        thank you Sir, since Aqatari has changed it’s meaning.before we use to call Aqatari to people like you.

        and i don’t think you understand what I said. what I said is he is not old man. but you reply “you are too old to be that.” and you add “dedeb ” there a proverb in our language “ጓህማም ጓህማም ” ኣይበልካ ::

        ኣየ ነትረኽረኽ !!” የሚሉሽን ባወቅሽ ገበያ ባልወጣሽ”

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear sela,

    keep cool and don’t be conquered by FEAR.

    hawki
    tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Tesfat,
      I think AT do not want it to be posted. They removed it and it is blank now. If you want to send you on private e-mail I will do so.
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Amanuel,

        Discquis is not becoming friendly these days. We need to wait a little more. Sometimes, I posting doublication.

        And why not, yes, you can send me through e-mail too.

        hawka
        tes

  • Semere Andom

    ሓተታ ዶ ትንታነ

    ቃል ማሕተት ዶ ወይስ ቃል ጥያቀ

    ክሓተካ ዶ ክጥይቐካ

    ፍሽኽታ ዶ ፈገግታ

    ንኣድጊ ዲኻ ትጥይቆ ወይ ንሰብ

    ግዜየ ይሓጽረካ ዶ ግዜ ትሓጽረካ

    እታ ሓተታ ህብብቲ ኮይና

    ንፍትውትን ውሪቲን ተኪአተን

    ግን መሰል ይብላን ክትወርሰን

    ባዕዳዊት እኳ እንተዘይኮነት ክም እኒ ሓማሴን: ሰራየ: እክል-ጉዛይ:ባርካ ወዘተ

    ሓውሲ ባዕዲ ዘመዳ ንታባ

    እታ ንኩጆት ዘትከእት ንኩርባ

    መቅርባ ምሰንገለ ንትሕቲ ዕድመ

    ዘይግብኣ ዝወረስት ንዓቕሚ ኣዳም ዘይበጽሐ

    እወ ቆሞና ሓብታ ንተኻሪጁ ነታዓሪፉ ዝዘረፈታ

  • Hayat Adem

    I’m aware about those Ethiopians who want IA to stay for a mean purpose. It not normal for normal people to wish evil on others. But the longer IA stays, the sooner Eritrea will enter chaos. It is a nightmare for us but that will not be good for Ethiopia either.

  • Hayat Adem

    Selam,

    This guy is wasting his time and and readers’ time on something non-sense stuff, don’t you agree? He has been dedebit on each of his posts. Nobody is encouraging him to do that but he thinks that is the beef with me. I can laugh at him to-to-end and ignore him but I sometimes think he can use some help. Look at the dedebit-mantra, for example. As spoiled as he is, I have no problem accepting him for what he says he is. If quality was the criterion for a claim of identity, his spot would be far at the tail of the line up. The only reason why no body cares about his identity is because identity is claimed, not earned. But Nitricc being in short supply of cognitive faculty, he hammers on one thing like a robot.

  • Hayat Adem

    Tsigereda, Sara, Mahmuday, Abraham, Kim, Finote and all,
    I;ll skip the Isias atrocities following Tsigereda’s example.
    1)We’re not ululating at the death sentence of the Cons. Nothing making us ululate than death of the entire system at all. What we are saying is there are much bigger and uglier crimes of the regime that trashing away its own paper is nothing compared to those. In short, we are not tangoing with IA on killing his own book, we are saying we don’t care what he does with this Cons as much as we care less if he is doing anything to the PFDJ charter. In short, we are not celebrating the death event but we don’t feel the loss.
    2) But, we are forced to ask, was there any constitution that deserved to be defended any way? I never knew any Constitution that never was put at work even for a single day and that survived 18 yrs of solid fallowing. If you had to cry about the life and future of this constitution, it should have been when it was shelved for full year before the war. If you had missed that one, it has to be in 2001. If you had missed that one, it had to be the year that followed, or the year that followed, or…But after 18 yrs and because you from Isaias what you already knew and lived? This is ridiculous. Do you want to know what is even more ridiculous: Isaias wrote that constitution and you loved it and you wanted it to be at work. Isaias shelved, and shelved and shelved it you kept on waiting thinking one day, he will dust it off and acknowledged as a supreme law of the land. In one crazy morning of May, this crazy man came out to tell you, “you know what, the thing I shelved 18yrs ago, what some of call it a constitution? I hate to see it on my shelf too. I’ll give you another one.” BLAME yourselves for expecting him to regain his senses after 18yrs. Do not blame the opposition for your foolishness. The opposition never told you to wait in patience, they didn’t tell you to have faith in Isaias or PFDJ. Do not blame anyone for your naivety bordering foolishness.
    3) Of course, the process through which the constitution was written was totally unconstitutional and not inclusive. Unconstitutional because it was not done in the sense everybody accepts it as a supreme law, everybody must participate in its making. Of course, it is not much different than the PFDJ charter. The opposition are the only organized manifestations of the society’s interests and aspirations and there in no way you can have a durable constitutions without including the opposition party as they are the primary stakeholders in the national affairs. When you guys try to convince us that there was some kind of process, there were some non-partisan individuals working on it, there were some level of discussion undertaken, I wonder if you are trying to tell us that this is one acceptable way of drafting a constitution? The process is where popular ownership and participation are celebrated. It didn’t happen. Also, the content is very poor and in many ways, it way below that standard Eritrea used to have during the federation time. Where is plurality; where is the federal system; where is the decentralized government; where is the guarantee for group and minority rights? Where is the space provision for vibrant multiparty system? It is really nothing near to the kind of constitution I dream for Eritrea. But, others might be satisfied with what they see in the Constitution. The only way we could settle our difference was debating it in the process. But the process was out of the reach of many critical individuals and organized parties.
    4) Tsigereda, when i say it was not part of the Eritrean culture, i meant it never was practiced in relation to routine Eritrean livelihood and no one would identify with it. Eritreans don’t know it, they never internalize it in their lives, and therefore, they are not going to sense the difference between having it on a shelf and removing it from the shelf. But, they know what normal family is becuse they have been living it: marriage, moral-laden life, raising kids, providing for a family, families helping other families…the things that are disrupted now because they are not let to live normal family life in its normal way, and talking to them about those disruptions should make more sense than talking to them about this disrupted document they never knew it walking beyond its shelf life.
    5) This latest utterances of Isaias only confirm to what we always knew him to be. He has no limits of insatiability to power and he disregards anything on his way: norms, gentleman codes, leader etiquette, international standards, good manners…he has no red line manners at all. Now the his comparison of evilness is himself. Once up on a time, there was a weird carnivorous creature called Bela’e Seb. He eats humans and animals. He ate everyone on earth except himself. Eating is what he does non-stop, so he had to eat someone or something, but there was nothing or no one left around. When he looked around, it is just himself. He started eating himself, he started from the periphery: his legs, his hands, his lower parts all the up, then he started from the top. At last he was left with the chewing tool, his teeth. But he used his molar to chew the rest of his teeth and then he left with the last one and only moral tooth. He wanted to it that, too except he didn’t know how. He remained hungry, he died hungry, and he died one tooth, one too-sized. The moral of the story: monsters kill themselves in the weirdest way possible unless they are stopped by self-defending victims early on before they reach to themselves.
    6) Kim, I will be honest with you that the main party I have in mind benefiting from Ethiopia’s help is Eritreans, of course. But, i believe, it is a good investment for Ethiopia too, in the long term. peaceful and very friendly neighbor by the Red Sea coast is very ideal geopolitics and a peace of mind for the rising regional power Ethiopia. Opening the ports for use is another strategic interest for you. Eritrea is a good market though not very huge for Ethiopian exports though not huge but better than hosting mass flow of runaways. Whatever sacrifice paid to help Eritrea is worth it. This is leaving the moral and humanitarian aspect of it. Some people accuse me of calling for invasion of my country by an outside force. Well, it can be called invasion but what i’ve in mind is temporary friendly intervention under IGAD spearheaded by Ethiopia is what I have in mind. This has to be done with full invitation by the opposition on clearly set packages and agreed preconditions. Preconditions: interventions needs to be purely military and non-political and non-governance; intervention has to be short and temporary in nature; intervention needs to be geared towards tipping the force balance in favor of the opposition; all policing and security needs to be handled by the opposition; sovereignty and independence of Eritrea should not be compromised….look you can’t expect me to detail all technicalities of the intervention here but there are a lot of ways to work around it and you get some sense of what I mean. The message here is, it has to be done unless we think Eritrea is immune to civil war, civil war is much better than getting help from a neighbor, or we have time to sort out things and be able to rescue the nation all by ourselves. Mahmuday, Tsigereda and Abraham, please do not drum up the patriotic beat again. I inderstand all about the national pride and arrogance you want to project but National arrogance detached from any capacity to play a role in saving your country is a platitude. EPLF invited TPLF to help it defend the Nakfa trenches. All the fronts or at least most of the fronts that were covered by ELF against the Derg offensives were handed over TPLF fighters. And it worked for EPLF and it prevailed. EPLF invited or allowed TPLF to fight ELF in the grounds of Eritrea, and it worked for it. Mahmuday. That was even to defend the struggle or the Front, this is to save a nation. Is it only the EPLF that is licensed to invite outsiders for help? As long as, you are doing them on justified purpose, it is not a bad idea to invite others for help. it happened in many other countries and it worked. democratic coup is junkie and don’t believe any of it. The alternative theory for the change seekers to do their housekeeping fast enough and build their capacity quickly and rescue the nation from sliding in to a civil war. I wish I could see that but wishes are not horses, and I refuse to believe watching the country sliding to a civil war is a better solution than letting or working to get the help from who can offer it.
    i love you all and that is it for now,
    Hayat

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Hayat,

      I don’t know your intentions but I will say the following to your a bit rude comment.

      ‘BLAME yourselves for expecting him to regain his senses after 18yrs. Do not blame the opposition for your foolishness. The opposition never told you to wait in patience, they didn’t tell you to have faith in Isaias or PFDJ. Do not blame anyone for your naivety bordering foolishness.’

      I am not going to blame myself for what DIA/PFDJ did! You can not push us to the destination you want by calling us names. How is it that you separate us from the opposition? which opposition are you talking about in the first place?
      As a neighbor, Ethiopia is doing what it can on the humanitarian aspect and more.
      Finally I would say, repeated betrayals lead to mistrust. agreements and Packages never worked between Eritrea and Ethiopia. I don’t know if you are here as and individual or as a messenger though.

      • Hayat Adem

        Ah, you too, Sarah! I represent myself and my lenses to all my views and beliefs is stemming out of the greater good for Eritrea. As I don’t doubt your intention, it wouldn’t be unfair of me to expect the same. we both love our people, the only “problem” between us our different perspectives. I see a horror of coming civil war, you don’t.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hayatom,

      Well argued. You reminded me my fallen comrade “Zekarias” a member of EDM and later “DEMAHEA.” A veteren who joined the liberation (ELF) in early 70s. We lost a devoted revolutionary at the hand of EPLF’s security force in Ethiopia during the hey time of EPLF/TPLF relationship. Rest in peace my comrade.

      • Nitricc

        Aman, I have no doubt you are well conversed person in any word of it, but you are obsessed with this dedebit grade, you are losing your credibility. you don’t have to kiss up with her every post but, i doubt you understood what she posted in her. did you read it? if you are can you please summarize it for us?
        my goodness! what is wrong with you, man? you said well argued? what is the point that is well argued in here? don’t take it as i am disrespecting rather i am challenging you. now, do you want a change to come from the interference of the TPLF or do you want the change to come from within Eritreans by them selves.
        answer it, it is hight time for you to let us know where you stand. again, do you want TPLF to bring the change? since you keep agreeing with Hayat, should we assume you are for it?

        • Hayat Adem

          argue on substance, or get out of the way. substantiate or shut.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hayata, remember you are using your mind. I once read between our 2 ears there is a huge expensive (3 billion dollar worth) equipment, but we human beings don’t know how to use it. the worst among us are the once who use little part and even that to complicate life of other people. they are worst than the dead brain. so please don’t ever answer to this guy.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Nitrickay,
          I posted twice a reply to you, either the disqus eat it or waiting in queue for moderation, I don’t know. I will wait and see what will happen to it.
          Amanuel Hidrat

        • Hope

          Nitrric,
          Remember that Mr. Amanuel Hidrat is a STUDENT of PMMZ and his AGENDA and he has already lost his credibility long time ago.
          Worst,as Cousin SAAY said it, his justification is:
          “Because Ethiopia/TPLF is entitled to its /their interest.
          Mr.Amanuel Hidrat endorsed the Weyanes 5-point plan without any preconditions and modifications-
          -Mr Amanuel Hidrat endorsed the Hawassa or even the Debrezeit TPLF sponsored and endorsed anti-Eritrea Agenda.
          -Mr Amanuel Hidrat endorsed the Weyane Agenda of the Mekele Manifesto of Dividing Eritrea and Eritrean Society based on Religion,Region,and Ethnicity !
          Mr. Amanuel Hidrat was a TPLF Gang assigned Rep of the Eritrean Council or Assembly in Exile in N America
          Can I go more?
          Ms Hayat Adem openly endorsed the same TPLF agenda besides inviting the TPLF to invade Eritrea!’
          Hence.for the record,it is a Public Secret that Mr Amanuel Hidrat has lost his credibility ,and as such, he should NOT be taken seriously as an Eritrean fighting for an Eritrean Cause and interest….,irrespective of his ELF and Seraye background!

      • Kokhob Selam

        my five stars for this small post with big true information on it.

    • Mai Belala

      Hi Hayat, This discussion is about the fait of a proud country and people; who paid unprecedented heroic sacrifices, as demonstrated by all oppressed peoples across the world. This truth is deeply and uniformly cherished and internalized by all Eritreans. Inviting the Ethiopian forces to ‘liberate’ us is tantamount to admitting that we cannot and will not be able to tackle our sovereign affairs by our selves. This is an insult to our martyrs and to all intents and purposes is out of character of us Eritreans. Admittedly we have had a set back but the struggle is fast gathering momentum. It is inevitable that we will soon get rid off PFDJ.

      As many Awatists indicated, democratic and stable Eritrea, reinstated through the on-going struggle of its people, will be able to contribute to peace, stability and development of the region. This is our aspiration, including with Ethiopia as a neighbor. Hayat your idea will only trigger civil war and complicate the impending transition, falling into the trap Isaias and his accomplices have been conspiring for a long time.

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hayat;

      I think you missed it when Eritreans at the top of government leadership stood up for the Const. and spoke for institutional governance in Eritrea. I think you missed it when these people and thousands others were herded into prisons by the dictatorship and disappeared never to return again. All our current ills are the result of the fallout that resulted because the dictator, and his helpers, betrayed the trust that was bestowed upon them to abide by the Law of the nation, and implement the Const. Had that Const. been implemented at its time, Eritreans would have been in a much better situation than today. And all the sufferings that you’re trying to score political influence on would have been non-existent.

      Eritreans have been expressing their opposition to the shelving of the Const. and the accompanying human rights viloations and abuse of power by the dictator ever since he showed unwillingness to put it in force. We can say Eritreans have been divided roughly into two regarding this issue; those who stood with the dictator and bought his lame excuses for not implementing; and those who refused to accept his unlawful act. This division has resulted in the weakening of the strong unity that existed after Independence, and has developed into the current tragedy. Whether the dissatisfaction with the shelving of the Const. has resulted in a meaningful opposition is another issue, and I see it as the sign of our collective failure to stand up for our rights.

      No one was expecting the dictator would one day implement the Const., but this doesn’t mean the people endorsed his illegal actions of shelving and discarding it, as the document belongs to the people, and not the dictator. If it were of his liking, then he wouldn’t have wasted a whole nation in order not to put it in force.

      You’re wrong when you claim, “The opposition are the only organized manifestations of the society’s interests and aspirations and there in no way you can have a durable constitutions without including the opposition party as they are the primary stakeholders in the national affairs.” First, calls were made on all nationals irrespective of their political background, to participate in the process. Second, you don’t have any credibility to claim the opposition are the primary stakeholders. At the time of drafting and ratifying the Const. the great majority of Eritreans were on the side of their liberator, the EPLF. The so-called opposition had no credibility then, and do not have credibility now either. Above all they represented a very small section of the Eritrean society then, and they even do so now ( I’m particularly focussing on those who were members of the ELF, who had been in opposition ever since their exit from Eritrea, who’re cheering the actions of the dictator, and who’ve nothing of tangible achievement to show to this day).
      Regarding the contents of the Const., you’ve a wrong understanding of it, as it allows multi party democracy, allows all human rights, allows local governance that reflects the reality of Eritrea, and protects the rights of all citizens and gropus of the society. I recommend you to read it once more.
      Also you need to know that no one is displaying arrogance or exaggerated pride here. We Eritreans are facing right now, a difficult time in our history due to a vicious dictatorship, but these adversities never hinder us from staying true to the aspirations that led us to bring an independent nation. We know that we’ve to form a more robust opposition to the tyranny, but our dreams for a peaceful, democratic and prosperous Eritrea would never die away under any circumstances.

  • Mai Belala

    nab gual megedi enda algesna emri cheqona aynenaweh!!

    IA and his spin doctors never sleep to conspire and divide us in order to prolong their oppressive
    regime. This time the gimmick is “drafting of a new constitution”. IA and his cohorts say there was no constitution, it was dead from the ‘start’. What do we expect? We know dictatorships keep creating, side shows, “gualmengedi”.

    It is mind boggling, nezom kusufat – zey ewetu zeye’ewetu, we still allow them to delude us and stifle our struggle….

    Rightly a lot of blood has been shed to liberate ourselves from the PFDJ dictatorship by rallying around the 1997 Constitution. The implementation of the Constitution still holds legal credibility and weight for opposition groups to exert pressure on the dictatorship. In the last decade it was in fact the only social contract and basic law, which could have served as a basis towards the creation of a democratic and stable country, where we would all call home. Even when it is true, as many of us believed, that the drafting process of the constitution was neither inclusive nor was the outcome to the satisfaction of all. In the event of apeaceful transition, however, for the reasons Tsegereda and others rightly argued, it could still have the potential to serve as an option to consider, if we Eritreans so wish.

    At this point in time, though, it is still useful and valid to discuss the provisions relating to substantive issues of concern to various sections of the Eritrean society as raised for example by Mahmouday and other Awatists, because it can contribute to the vital evolution of common understanding and consensus for the day after. No one should be left behind and no one should be excluded, no issue should be prohibited by design or by default in this important discourse. Most of all we should not leave the process and content to be predetermined for us by others.

    But, at this juncture, I believe that the priority and focus for the struggle of democratic forces need to be the creation of a United Front with independent and strong role of civil society organizations. The Eritrean websites and radio broadcasters (e.g. Asmarino, Assenna, and Awate) are doing a commendable job in providing the required space for individuals and independent civil society and community organizations. Strengthening the civil society organizational capacity in terms of creating partnerships and platforms conceived by themselves is the key to ensure their role in the struggle against PFDJ as well as in the ensuing desired democratic transition.

  • haileTG

    Dear brother KS (sorry for the late response)

    I am actually trying to damage control by avoiding the fanning of this senseless internal conflict due to IA’s announcement about the constitution. In principle, my guiding strategy is to expand and swell the ground of the pro-justice camp as a whole. The argument for the constitution has no practical plans as to what it intends to do with its re-kindled sense of loss about a constitution that has been missing in action for the last 17 years. The against that constitution camp are not making clear cut case as to what they stand to lose by recognizing the rights of those who accept it, to do so. I.e. except to help expand the swelling mass of opposition. And in any case no one is making persuasive case as to why they decided to engage in such costly internal conflict. Hence, i am hoping that the damage will eventually be controlled but wish to have the peace of mind not to have helped to fanning it one way or another.

    So, dear KS, I know this answer is shorter and lesser than I would give for a different topic. I hope you understand. But here is special song for you and all awatistas that I chose, hope it compensates you to some extent:-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVtoziD_tJ4

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Who’re those who are cheering and ululating at the death sentence rendered by dictator IA to the Eritrean Const. from 1997? These are a few Eritreans who mainly belonged to the former ELF who were expelled out of the Eritrean field in the beginning of 1980’s. The reason and circumstances of why they were driven out of the Eritrean field is another subject and to be left for historians. It is not surprising if these people are happy at the illegal action of the dictator regarding the Const., because, according to them they’ve never been part of the process and their voices have never been heard by the Const. Commission. Their wish, is to empose their own version of a Const. irrespective of the great majority’s wishes. And they call themselves as fighters for democracy and justice? However, it has to be remembered that these people have been in the so-called opposition ever since their exit from Eritrea, even during those honeymoon years after the Independence of Eritrea. It is also a fact that the great majority of the Eritrean people were with their government’s decisions on matters regarding the transition period, including the processes that led to the ratification of the Const.

    The Eritrean people are saddened and heart-broken at the all the losses of their daughters and sons during the dictatorship of Isayas. If the Eritrean Const. from 1997 was implemented at the time when the first serious calls were made for its implementation, it is not difficult to guess where Eritrea would have been today in all measures of development. If all the political processes that started at the end o the Ethio-Eri war were followed in practice, the political atmosphere would have been totally different than it is today. In other words, Eritrea would have continued on the path of democracy and development. It’s, therefore, not acceptable to use the current ills of our country to further one’s political agenda.

    The Eritrean people will never give up the hope for a democratic and prosperous nation. But they’ve to establish a new movement for democratic change that engages the silent majority, separate from the opposition that has existed for more than three decades and has achieved nothing other than multipliation to endless groups, some of them with evil agendas of dividing Eritreans accross religious., ethnic and regional lines.

    PS.1. Just visit assena.com to have a slight grasp of how Eritreans feel about the illegal actions of the dictator regarding the 97 Const. 75% of those voting online at assena consider the actions of the dictator as illegitimate.

    PS.2. It’s not difficult to write constitutions, we Eritreans can write even better Constitution than the one from 1997, what’s important is it should be prepared by representatives of our people, and even more important, it has to be put in action as soon as it is ratified. But before all this we’ve to be able to remove dictatorship from our land, and to do this we’ve to be able to secure active participation of the silent majority in the struggle against dictatorship.

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    • Hope

      Abraham,
      I Second you on on the content of this brief but comprehensive and unbiased analysis.
      Who wouldn’t other than the same few people you mentioned.
      I believe you have a potential and ability to write up an Article on this burning subject.

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Hope,
        Thanks for the support and encouragement. If I were a gifted writer, of course, I’wd have written in a more elaborate way; unfortunately. I’ve to admitt I lack that skill. I’m just trying to say a few words with the little I can. Fortunately, there are many individuals in these forum who could and have refuted the sick claims being made by some who claim to stand for democracy and justice, but whose actions are proving the other way round.
        Cheers

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Abraham,

      Was it legal first to draft a constitution by excluding the stakeholders? How can you say that the Illegal act of DIA? Militarily, ELF, yes, it was defeated? But, did they defeat ELF politically? By what measures are saying DIA did an illegal act? Aren’t we fighting agaist DIA and his organization because they didn’t have any legal system? By what rule are you accusing DIA for doing an illegal act.

      DIA was illegal from the very beginning and what all he did was illegal. Did you give him any legal constarct by the way? He said to you, “no one did a legal agreement with him.” He took the power by himself, he ordered able individuals and members from his organization to draft a constitution. His order was done and finished. Then, he didn’t order for its application. Finally, he discarded his own document.

      Come-on Abraham, you are better than that.

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        ብቀደሙ ሕግን ስርዓትን ጥሒሶም ኢልና ዶ ኣይኮናን ምስ ገዛእቲ ተራባሪብና : ምስ ጠሓስቲ ስርዓትን ደንብን ምስክንክን እንብለሉ ምኽንያት ከ እንታይ ኣሎ ?

        ኣንታ ትከታተል ዶ ኣሎኻ ? እዛ እከይ ጉጅለ ኮ ሰላም ስኢና – ኣይኮነን ዶ ዘይሕጋዊ ቅዎዋም ነብሳ ‘ውን “ሞይተ” ኢላ ከይኣወጀት ኣይትተርፍን እያ እዛ ስርዓት ኣልቦ ጉጅለ ::

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          ኮኾብ ሓወይ፡

          ፍናን ተሸኪምኩም ፍናንኮ ኮንኩምና። ሕጅስ መመሊስ’ዶ ክዕንድረሉ ነዚ ሜዳ ዓዋተ ይብል ኣለኹ። ደደቢት እንዶ’ሞ ክይና ተሪፋ ሰብ ጉዳይና።

          እንተ’ቲ ዋንጫና’ሞ ንጨንጠሉ፡ በዓል ወዲ ቦይ ዩኑስ ቀለልቲ ኣይኮኑንን ከየሀምሉና ግን ጥንቅቕ ደኣ ንበል። በዓል ጽገረዳ’ኮ ከይተረድኣኒ ኣብ ገዝኣ ኣይትየ ቡን እናሰተኹ ምጉት ብምኽፋተይ ሰንቢዳ። አረ እንታይዩ ነገሩ፧

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Dear Tesfabirhan;

        To answer your question: “Was it legal first to draft a constitution by excluding the stakeholders?” . Yes, it was reasonably legal, considering the time it was initiated, just a year after the formal Independence of Eritrea, and that it was ratified by representatives that were drawn from the populace, though not perfectly representative. One had to start somewhere to build democracy from scratch on the ashes of a ruined nation. The Constituent Assembly included members of the PFDJ Central Committee, representatives who were elected from the people, and other representatives who were drawn from the people both outside and inside Eritrea. And who initiated it? The movement that led the Eritrean people to triumph against the Derge. Did this movement have a popular support at that time? Yes, of the great majority of Eritreans, except a few who belonged to the ELF, who were expelled as losers out of the Eritrean field power-struggle and civil-war, a decade before Eritrea’s liberation. Were efforts made to encourage the participation of all Eritreans in the Const. drafting process? Yes all Eritreans, including those who were from the ELF were invited to participate, and have their say, though they now say their views were not included in the document.

        Of course, we didn’t have a multi-party politics at that time, to allow participation in the form of political parties, obviously, apart from the victorious movement that led the Eritrean people to Independence. The process of drafting and ratifying a const. was by itself a step forward for preparing the atmosphere for political pluralism. So, there is no need of putting the cart before the horse now in hindsight.

        To claim this document was Isayas’, and he could do what he wants with it is an utter disrespect and contempt of those who passed away fighting for the implementation of our Constitution and the Eritrean people in general, who had placed a great hope for the transformation to democracy based on the document they produced with great enthusiasm.

        If the Const. was put in force fifteen years ago, we wouldn’t have dictatorship now, all our human rights would’ve been respected, we would have the chance to form political parties, freedom of writing, speech, religion, thought, etc. We would have an independent justice system that would guarantee our rights are respected, and that would treat us equal before the law. We would have the chance to elect our representatives to lead our country, and decisions would be made by these representatives than a single individual. Even more significant, our unity would have been intact, our people wouldn’t have been enslaved, our economy wouldn’t have been in ruins, and our youth wouldn’t flee their homes in their hundreds of thousands and face all sorts of evil on their way out.

        Hence it is ILLEGAL of the dictator to discard, single handedly, the Const., which was the result and culmination of the Eritrean people’s struggle for democratic rule, and was the highest law of our country pending implementation. The Const. may not have been perfect, but it could have played a great role in democracy building, and overall development of our country which was ruined by centuries of colonization, occupations, and armed conflicts.

    • passer_by

      Abraham,
      Well said. Your rationale and insightful reply tramps and exposes the sinister agenda of the Authors of the Article.
      The multitude “frustrated opposition groups” are the direct outcome these Religion and Regional Agenda, which is a great gift for DIA the sole beneficiary.

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Emma,
    I assumed to have clearly stated that it’s not my primary goal to defend or justify the making of the Constitution or promote its content as a whole. I refused, on principle, to be part of the party at the time of the “constitution meetings”. That was my sole decision, as I guess was yours. Never did I argue about its inclusiveness. Me too, I do have my reservations on certain articles of the Constitution. Nonetheless, irrelevant on the current issue. The matter on the hand is: DIA discarded (yes, as Mahmuday put it “murdered”) the Constitution. We in the opposition camp would expect a condemnation of this illegal act without any ifs and buts as HTG, Mahumday and few others promptly commented on the announcement of its ” keyteaweje meytu”. Killed by the man at the helm,DIA. I’d be confortable with comments such as “the process of the Cons making was faulty because less inclusive (I don’t ask about statistics either), its contents are defective, my organisation was not included as an entity…BUT I do condemn its abolition by the dictator as an ILLEGAL ACT”. Period. I uphold democratic standars and diversive attitudes. The ayneberena ayTefana attitude, however, does not seem to serve the current situation of the nation, it’s not honest. Besides it’s a purely egoistic and elitist approach. I don’t think it displays the current interest of the majority, dear Emma. As I have tried to indicate in my previous posting, I appeal to you and all others to listen to the “loud and silent voices”; let’s try to read their minds and talk the language/heart of the people. The urgent goal is to salvage our nation. It’s not ” the document” that is “putting us into two blocs”. It is rather the fact whether we are united enough and politically wise to grasp the opportunity and scope of the current issue: drive for and promote the synergy of opposition. An opposition that could rally not only the so far overt protesting group but also those who are abandoning the PFDJ camp.
    Dear Emma, I recomend we read one of the best articles written on this topic by Simon M Weldehaimanot. It’s a pity that we miss the contribution of such excellent Eritrean scholars*.

    * The status and fate of the Eritrean Constitution, Simon M Weldehaimanot
    Edition: AHRLJ Volume 8 No 1 2008
    Pages: 108 – 137
    Citation: (2008) 1 AHRLJ 108-137
    Download article in PDF

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Tzegereda,

      If my argument and those who argue on my side are egoistic according your view (very sad to hear from you), I could only tell you that you are from the opportunistic group who fight for their interest and don’t have ears to listen the grievances of others. Actually your argument doesn’t make to have free from supporting the document. You are actually the advocator of it. No question as you are trying to rally Eritreans around that document, I will not stop also to rally Eritreans against it who were discounted and excluded to be part with. I was respectful to your idea though I don’t agree with, but to insult our intelligence and characterize us as egoistic is non starter and will not take us anywhere. Have a good one till then. Th blocs of contention is clear now and the battle of idea for “equitable constitutional process” will continue. There will be no unity without sincerity. Have a good one till then.
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Hope

        Aman,
        Please,keep your integrity by saying:”Thank you Tsighe Hartley for response and input but I wil clarify myself and will challenge you due to this …. and that and for this reason”
        This is an Open Forum and debate where you will be rebuked,appreciated,admired,challenged and what not.
        Hence, we do not need to be defensive,offensive,paranoid,offended; and we do not need to take things personal !
        No need to insult people either; and no need to attack personas,no matter what but try to clarify things,teach and keep advising and persuading people reasonably,rationally,professionally and respectfully!

      • Tzigereda

        Dear Emma,
        let me try to rule out misunderstandings,
        I was relating my purely descriptive term “egoistic and elitist APPROACH” as a self-regarding point of view to your specific political attitude on the issue of the Cons. By no means do I intend to characterize you as a person. Far from “insulting your intelligence” because I believe we adhere to the codex of awatistas and respect diversive points of view within the camp.But and let me add this, yes I believe that one of our main problem is the egoistic and elitist thinking (which is “legitimate and international”, but in situations such as ours where everything has turned out to nightmare and an urgent plan of salvation is needed, we should have a realistic and workable plan). Our personlal and nationwide ideals have not only been buried but the safety and the very EXISTENCE of our people and the nation is at great risk. So what is expected from leaders of the opposition organizations is that they take a stab and lead with realistic approaches. What is expected from you as a respected person, and specially as a member of the eritrean facilitators for national dialogue is that you, as you put it, do “listen to the grievances” an the voices of cons and prons and play a reconcilative role. It is all about adjusting ideas and principles based on the situation as long as it serves justice and as long as it promotes the salvation of our people. Nothing will be perfect, and adjustments will always be needed, but let us start walking in unison and “sincerity”. You have mine. Why dont we try to ” simplify” the equations instead of ” complicating” it?
        BTW a “solo” rally is not the way, abey kinbexiH?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tzegereda,

          “ZeAklen Tihinen’s BeAlemariam Yebla”.

          Words and concepts have specific meaning and are used for conventional communication and common understanding. Egoistic is Egoistic, elitist is elitist. You can’t have your own specific meaning for you, or for anyone for that matter. Instead of taking back or disavow “the unnecessary adjectives” you are trying to give your own meaning. Ay-Geden Tzegereda, it won’t help you to have smooth communication nor will it help to the spirit of the debate. But if you continue like that you should also aware that there many adjectives in store against you or your organizations.

          Second, I want to remind you that you are also from the elite class who want to drive home their own ideas. So an elite can’t accuse for others as elitist.

          Third, there is nothing wrong to push your idea in the market of idea as far as there are buyers of idea. As you believe there is market to your idea, I believe also there is to my idea. Just do your job and I will do my job without denigrating others. That is my advice to you.

          Earlier in your comment, you have said “the process of the Cons making was faulty because less inclusive……., its contents are defective, my organisation was not included as an entity.” If yourself and your organization truly believe that the process wasn’t inclusive and the content was defective, your rational argument should be, let us have an inclusive process and come out with a “contractual document” we all defend for it in the event they abuse the spirit and content of the document. There is no wrong to argue this for it is judicious and satisfy all the stakeholders, including your organization by the way. There is no wrong to promote an idea that brings us together, but to insist they have their own and we should accept theirs will not help our nation to stood on its feet. I am absolutely sure about this, that it will not bring all the stakeholders into a round table of give and take.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Tzigereda,

      As predicted, simply gebberish. Keep your values please.

      The respect I have for saay7 is very big because from the very beginning he was promoting “Reform”. Just, I am opposing because it will not be good tomorrow to Eritreans as it will nurture another dictatorial system.

      Yours, no, Tzigereda, don’t change your “GEAR”. Don’t roar for every tactical change used by DIA. If you opposed before, oppose now too. the struggle is not finished. Keep your fighting spirit with like that of Amanuel Hidrat, SGJ, Kokob Selam, Semere A, at least the forumers here and many hundreds who opposed before and still are opposing.

      As for me, I was young at that time, grade 5-6 and 7. I know only the constitution was ratified in 1997. I never had a chance to know whether there was ELF members or any other organized political stakeholder which was excluded during the drafting process. In fact, it only after I started at awate.com that I came to know real people exist and are continuing their fighting spirit by keeping their values.

      Before, yes, I was reading awate.com, asmarino.com, meskerem.com. But, for me, they were just individual writers who oppose PFDJ rule. But now, I came to know that there are thousands of people who were purposefully erased from our history. As an Eritrean, I feel sorry for what I had in my mind.

      Just to tell you, I visited an old veteran ELF fighter, now almost paralyzed because of his wound during 1978. He left Eritrea after ELF forces lost their grip of the Eritrea territory in 1981/2. I just had dinner with him. He is diabetic, has blood pressure and now his sight is declining. Yet, he is actively continuing his fight against the dictatorial regime in Asmara.

      I came to know this ELF veteran through one friend. He gave me his phone and after exchanging greetings, we continued to talk on national issues and the on-going opposition. He was so strong, soft and healthy man via phone. One day, I got a chance to meet him in person. The place were he lives was new to me and I need him to pick me from a metro station. Still, I kept talking with him and I was expecting someone to hug me right after I landed from and continue talking till we reach home. Yah, I was invited to have dinner with him.

      The said above was ok, till, he finally told me that a woman is coming to pick me. This is strange! I said why? ኣለልኪ ሚሽ፡ ጋሻ ዓሻ እንድዩ ነገሩ. ኣለልኪ ሚሽ፡ ጋሻ ዓሻ እንድዩ ነገሩ። ስኽፍክፍ ይብለካ አንዲዩ። ደሓር ከኣ፡ እዋእ፡ ብሓቂ እንጀራ ናፊቐ ኔረ።

      Anyway, she came and we exchanged few greetings but I didn’t feel ok. The woman that she came to pick me was his wife and Oh, God, I said, may be he is at work or doing somehing important. I just continued to analyse the situation too much and my greatest fear was just not to miss “እንጀራ”.

      Finally, we reached the house, just it was a 7 minutes walk. We interred and I just encountered a man sitting in a wheel chair. My God!

      Imagine now Tzigereda habtey, a man who was an ELF veteran, sitting in wheel chair, surrounded by telephone and internet and before, he was a youth who gave his life to liberate Eritrea. Strong, full of spirit and love, calling people and encouraging to fight for justice and unity!

      I just prayed and I renewed my spirit to fight for all Eritreans.

      Ok, when I was in Eritrea, there were many Eritreans from Jebha abay and now leading their normal life. I grew up listening the other side of our history. I know many who are in high ranks and working hard inside Eritrea. I know personally Zemeheret Yohannes and Ahferom Tewelde (as they were my cadre school teachers) who were members of ELF and then Sagem. That was all about ELF for me before till I get this veteran ELF fighter who is still continuing his fight even when he is “HALF-ALIVE”.

      Tzigereda habtey, those who oppose the PFDJ system and all he did are not egoistis and elitits and are not for academic excercise. It is a “principle” and their “values”. You failed here totally and you showed your “CHAUVINISTIC” line of thinking.

      Eritrean histiry is bigger than that of ELF, EPLF, PFDJ, ELM bla bla. Eritrean history is Eritrean. If we take that of ELF, the EPLF side will be excluded or the vise versa. If we talk the combined history of ELF and EPLF to be the Eritrean history, The other side of Eritreans who participated fully with Haile Silassie and Derge will be excluded. If we consider that of ELF, EPLF and those who cooperated with Ethiopia, may be it will be history of the 20-30% Eritrean population.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Tesfat,
        Thank you for the inclusive argument you made , a rare human virtue in the political landscape of Eritrea. I will get back to you torrow from my pc. Thank you again.

        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tesfat,

          I am back to you and to the rest of awatistas. I will start with the gentleman you met him in Paris. He is my colleague in arm during the liberation and my peer ( two years behind) during my early school age at Debaroa Middle school. Yes his name is Tesfay Teklezghi. He joined the liberation (ELF), way back in the 60s at his tender age. He was one of the few highlanders who joined in 1965 and 1966. This vet was wounded in 1978, while he was leading the “southern front or Ginbar” in the protracted battle of Mereb to defend the liberated areas by ELFites. He was shot at his head and his memory and cognitive capacity was erased by the bullet that hits him – to the extent he couldn’t recognize his colleagues and his family members, even after recovery from his physical injury. Tefay was sent to Italy for medical treatment. A man who was fluent in Tirigna, Tigre, Arabic, moderate in English and Amharic had to start again from zero to rehabilitate his cognitive and memory to learn the languages. He is a “symbol of heroism” a member to those who were denied and told to leave their political belief behind and join EPLF. Remember the words of Issayas “Nay wudubat Hashewye Yelen.” And remember those who are whining against us in this forum were clapping to every word, the despot was uttering at that time. It was a matter of time to lose their rights and join us to those who lost their rights two decades ago. Even with this circumstance they don’t know how to adjudicate justice for those who claimed marginalized. Humm, it reminds me Semere Tesfay’s statement the tyranny of majority.

          As the English adage says, give credit where ever it is due, I give credit to ELF-rc/EPDP for the continuous effort to help to the hundreds “disabled vets” who are in the refugee camp of Sudan for years. And for sure Tesfay is the chairperson of the organization in charge of them under the umbrella of EPDP. I don’t have doubt that Tzegereda is a member of EPDP from the hints she gave us – as to here political belief and her organization’s political belief.

          Dr, Sara’s concerns remind me what Mark Twain had said once: “you can’t depend on your eyes when your mind is not in focus.” But what should be our focus? Our focus should be for justice. Where should our struggle be directed? Against the injustice of the regime and against the “sentiment of injustice” within the opposition camp. So far the barrier in the opposition is the “sentiment of injustice” and its result is “deep mistrust.” How does the sentiment of injustice reflect in our debate? When some of us debate supporting the vestiges of PFDJ and their exclusive documents. Let me give you a good example how that constitutional document is a polarizing document. Few months ago there was a conference in South Africa, I believe it was hosted by EMDHR and Paulos Tesfagiorghis for selected organizations from four continent. One of the agenda was to take the 1997 constitutional document as a rallying factor. Albeit it was rejected by one side of our society who weren’t part of the process (I don’t think you will miss who they are), and left it aside from their communique for future resolution. Those who are advocating for this document are, either they really don’t know their society or dictated by their chauvinist view “Abey Kibetshu Eyom” – the word I often heard with my encounters and the culture that haunt us till this day. It is one of the two. So Dr. Sara might need sometime to know the real politics we are entangled with.

          Just few days ago I read an editorial journal by EPDP talking about regionalism. The Editorial rejected our regional or provincial identity (Hamasien, Barka, Serae,Sahil…etc) because it was designed by the colonialist. What they forgot is, even modern Eritrea was designed by the colonialist. You see Tesfat, they want to take away one of our identity. As Eritrea is our identity (collective identity) the provinces are one of our “group identity” that has taken root since Eritrea was created. Once they start to scrap this identity, the next will be your ethnic identity…and so on.This is a continuation of EPLF’s social engineering, assigning new identity. By virtue of human connectivity and human interests, societies owns multiple identities. Each of us carries religious identity, geographic (regional) identity, ethnic identity, and national identity. No one will single out and take any of those identities. Any attempt to that effect will further polarize our foundation. In fact this shows you how Eritrean politics is immatured.

          Last point I will ask you to focus to your study. The Eritrean politics will go nowhere, it is there forever, moving one step forward and two step backward. I can’t wait the young generation to take the stock of our nation more wisely than their predecessors. They need to understand the nature of our society as whole and the desire of our diversity, being aware that the chauvinist view will resist them forcefully.
          Regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Aman,

            It is good that you know the person, more than any I can say. Just minor correction for his address, he is not living in Paris but in Rennes. Rennes is about 350 km South East of Paris.

            The rest, I just respect what all you said.

            Just a crazy plan, I have my own plan of Eritrea where each Zoba/Awraja to have access to the sea. I am very selfish in exploiting the sea and I want every awraja/zoba to be direct beneficiary.

            This is purely economic oriented.

            This is my word throw to you that as I indicated before in my converse with Tziegereda, the ELF mentality has some loopholes. Just to say, spade is a spade. Let the people (I know that we are part of the people -but, we have priorities now) debate on the geography of Eritrea once Eritrea is FREE of the dictatorial system, Aman hawey. But keep your principle.

            Saying this, I end my hard talk here and I hope it is settled peacefully through my summarized which is in the top of this comment section.

            Proud to have principled people with me and keep on fighting, and surely, the dictatorial system will vanish from the face of Eritrean atmosphere.

            hawka
            tes

          • Hope

            Mr Amanuel Hidrat,
            Few of your points caught my attention:
            1)
            “As the English adage says, give credit where ever it is due, and here I will give credit to ELF-rc/EPDP for the continuous effort to help to the hundreds “disabled vets” who are in the refugee camp of Sudan for years. And for sure Tesfay is the chairperson of the organization in charge of them under the umbrella of EPDP”
            -Kudos to you as this is the first time I heard you calling a spade,a spade and giving credit to where it belongs..thogh belatedly–albeit deliberately as the EPDP has been doing marvels on behalf of the Eritrean Refugess Regionally and Internationally….besides its relentless struggle agains the PFDJ Rule at the International level.
            So,you have not known,as of yet, about the EPDP Role for the Wed Sherifoy School taking care of more than 600 Students for yrs.??
            It seems also that you have not known about the role of the EPDP fighting for the Siani and the mediteranean Victims and its role in challenging the jewish State and th eEU to help the helpless Refugees?

            2)
            ” I don’t have doubt that Tzegereda is a member of EPDP from the hints she gave us – as to here political belief and her organization’s political belief”
            Does it concern you though?If people do not follow your ways,they must be wrong or inconsistent?.Right?
            3)
            “Just few days ago I read an editorial journal by EPDP talking about regionalism. The Editorial rejected our regional or provincial identity (Hamasien, Barka, Serae,Sahil…etc) because it was designed by the colonialist. What it didn’t come in their mind is that, even modern Eritrea was designed by the colonialist. You see Tesfat, they want to take away one of our identity”.
            Aman,you are acting like the Prosecutor and the Judge at the same time.
            The EPDP is entitled to its opinion and program until the Universally Acceptable Program is available.You also missed miserably,albeit deliberately,the message and the spirit of the Editorial.
            Worst,the Hypocrisy here is that you kept silent about the ongoing Weyane sponsored Diaspora based intensive and dirty Regionalist discussions,which the EPDP rightfully and legitimately responded,coz it has a National Obligation to do so..

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        About the veteran I mentioned, he is an EPDP member and person in-charge of disabled veterans who are living in Sudan. I don’t know his father’s name, but his name is Tesfay (Aboy kibil neruni akedime but I don’t want to confuse you -Aboy Tesfay). Anyone from EPDP who is reading this comment can give more biography. He is currently living in Rennes, France. I just had one day contact as I couldn’t get more time to visit him.

        How can we forget these people, sister Tzigereda? Our history is not in text-book, it is still with the doers. Let’s not give our back, stay in your “principle”. Die for it and you will have first, “moral satisfaction” and second, history will remember you as such.

        • Tzigereda

          Dear Tes,
          Maybe you read what EPDP editorial wrote last week about the constitution of 1997 and the article of Simon M Weldehaimanot ( which I also mentioned on reply to Emma).

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Tzigereda habtey,

            Stay assured, this is my reasoning and my conscience. I rarely visit to other web-sites. I can say, I am addicted to awate.com. But the good thing is, many times I do intersect with many Eritrean way of thinking and yes why not I can reach into the same conclusion.

            I just brought that person as an example and I kindly ask you to dis-link your understanding from that. For the last one week, I have almost stopped scanning the Eritrean political web-sites. I am here just to finish what I started and to be more frank, these 2 days I was waiting for you to dump your reasoning. Therefore, don’t bring a scapegoating reasoning.

            Rest assured, I am a FREE and academic person who is just meditating and contempalting on the Eritrean politics as a whole. And my reasoning is the outcome of my own way of thinking and I am responsible for all.,As an Eritrean, I suppose, I am thinking in the same line of many Eritreans and some good proofs I have where I concided With many Eritreans who contemplate about Eritrea. Therefore, if Simon MW an article (2008) and still it reflects the reality (I believe you are a reasonable person to share with us) and if EPDP has related editorial,well and good; this shows I am not odd in political thinking. I am happy for such coincidence. Recently, I shared youtube video that talks about Eritrean Chauvinism lecture on video by an Eritrean doctor.

            The rest, I can just call you to stay in your “”principle”. If you were opposing the constitutional draftig before, go with it and work hard for the one that you dreamt about. Just don’t be a flip-flopper and don’t be a chauvinist. Pride kills.

            As per the DIA’s tactics, yah, he knows perfectly how to recruite people who bark at him. Yah, this guy is a damn shit political exploiter. Oh yah, I forgot his residence is in HELL. What can I expect from a blood thirsty leader.

            Dear Tzigereda, I respect your ideas but as I expected it, it is just chauvinistic and I don’t have any other option but to say, “spade is a spade”.

            tes

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Tes,
            The reason why I told you to read what EPDP wrote, is because you were talking about an ELF veteran who is a member of the EPDP.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Tzigereda,

            It is just by chance. The ELF veteran I mentioned, I meet him in November 2013 and still his image is within me. I wish I had a chance to go to Germany, Sweden, Australia, Sudan refugee camp and many other places to know who are the ELF members who stayed principled. I wish I will. just to see them face-to-face. I want to see their dreams, their anguish, their grievance, their devotion, their principle. And to read their psychology how they feel when they are betrayed. I want to see on their face how they feel when the other half 30 years Eritrean history is erased from the current Education history books.

            For EPLF members, I have enough. I lived with EPLF members who were mourning deeply for not seeing Eritrea as they wished. I worked with them, educated by them and visited their historical place (I was in Winna (Nakfa) techanical school in the early days of my life (1998-1999). All I had was EPLF before. I figure all what Mahmud is all talking about.

            Dear Tzigereda, ELF and others who oppose the EPLF and then PFDJ for me were just like mythical people. Those participated during the liberation struggle with the other front were all liquidated people, just like their organization. And if there are some, what I learned was, “they are Jihadists, Hamushay mesrie – ሓሙሻይ መስርዕ”.

            Dear Tzigereda, many diaspora people blame current youth for converting as active supposrters of PFDJ koboro junkies once they are out of Eritrea. Yah, I do understand the FEAR. But, I can say, no is understanding the mentality of today’s Eritrean youth.

            For young people, those who are less than 32 now, ELF is a gone by history. They are “ኣድሓርሓርትን ጅሃድን”. They are not real people, they are GHOSTS. PFDJ curriculum is just designed to nurture that value. And when they leave Eritrea, they search “Koboro Junkies”. That is what they cultivate. Then, do you think current youth to rally and uprise against the dictator with the same mentality they are grown with? Or, do you think that “reforming and inheriting” what the PFDJ gave us is a valid struggle for FREEDOM. I believe that you are a reasonable person.

            Dear Tzigereda, people are not arguing to satisfy their ego or from an elitistic point of view. You failed terribly here.

            Anyway, I share with you the North Korean youth mindset and it may help you to understand our mentality as a by-product of PFDJ. Remember, I am not free from such mentality. I am brainwashed by PFDJ ideology. But, I am looking FREEDOM, and I am searching people who have such wisdom to LIBERATE ME. But, I do know what the EPLF and PFDJ mentality is and to some extent, now I am learning the ELF mentality.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufhKWfPSQOw

            From the ELF mentality, I am learning to see the loopholes but I need further observation. For the time being, I kindly ask you to stay in your “principle”. You will die happily and in peace, just like of our late father Omer Jabir.

            Die in your principle!!!

            The good thing is, both are Eritreans and I fully endorse them. I just say, spade is a spade when I see the thing that does not help for future Eritrea.

            hawki
            tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            I don’t to make your Sunday a crying day (in fact, I am crying when I am writing a response to you and is full of emotions – sorry if I am out). But here is additional reminder who the Youth are today coming from Eritrea.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZEmDpkz0g4

          • Tzigereda

            Derar Tes,
            I think I owe you a summarized reply to your numerous postings. I should also like to offer you hearfelt words for your in essence kind meant phrases. You’re excellent in prediction accuracy: “Gibberish”? Maybe as a whole? I can live with that. “Chauvinistic”? My sense of humor can accomodate that, too. Zeynatka aylegbekan. Joking aside, on the issues of values and principles, I have to stress that I don’t go on “twisted paths”, no U-turns, no “flip flopper”, if you would allow me to exceptionally explain myself, my principle and my goal:
            1.rest assured I am a person with firm principles and make no bones about my clear position in regards to the authoritarian regime in Eritrea since it has to be blamed for the misery which we are in and any democratic governance can not be expected from it. I publicly demanded and will further demand its removal. No weleq zeleq
            2. Since you (unnecessarily?) mentioned it as a supporting argument in your various responses: Tegadalay Tesfai’s history is MY history. How can you expect me to “forget” or deny this immanent part of my life. I appreciate and rejoice his adamant standpoint in his struggle for justice and democracy. The same applies for me, too.
            3. Back to the issue of the making of the Constituition:(did you BTW read Simon’s excellent paper as a simple reference? http://www.ahrlj.up.ac.za/images/ahrlj/2008/ahrlj_vol8_no1_2008_simon_m_weldehaimanot.pdf)
            I objected its missed inclusiveness, especially the missed national reconciliation. As many of my comrades I then nailed my colours to the mast and haven’t changed my opinion. Then and now, I’m firmly convinced it was a missed opportunity. Thus I wasn’t at the party and am not hailing it as “my Constitution”. But with the courage of my conscience I do recognise that the Constitution – this is a repetition of my statements – gained the spirit of a non negligible majority of the Eritrean public. It has the ownership of these people. I never anticipated the current brutal system to install a constitutional system, let alone constitutionalism. That’s why I am in the camp of opposition and justice seekers. Now IA claims it never existed. This is actually one of his most blatantly obvious acts of pure dictatorship, blithely disregarding the grievances and needs of the people. The Cons never served DIA’s interests or suited his whims. Dear Tes, do you expect us to let that go? Why do I miss your unequivocal condemnation of this illegal act, no matter whether you would thence regard the Cons as amendable because faulty, a starting legal basis although not perfect etc. Once again, I believe we can use it as a tool to rally the anger of our people, pressure and accelerate the demise of the regime.
            Have a nice week!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Soory about the file, you shared, I am not able to open the link.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Tzigereda habtey,

            Sorry, I think I have unintentionally went deep into your grievances and hurted you. To be honest, I respond to ideas put here. I do not know you personally who you are and your past history and your current journey too. I just know you through your comments and my response to you is just accordingly.

            I brought Ato Tesfay’s case as an example and true alive example within me about the rejected FREEDOM FIGHTERS by PFDJ. Remember, in France, Eritrean community is very recent and in addition to my status, I don’t have time to make contacts as I want. I am just lucky to met Ato Tesfay.
            And you know that, there are people who want the entire victims to be mobilized, there are people who can be mobilized by hearings and there are also some who just be mobilized once their are faced with the reality. I may put myself in the third and reality is my motto.

            Therefore, keep your spirit strong and I don’t meant to hurt you. I just responded to your lines. Just your lines forced me to respond like that.

            Be peace upon us.

            hawki
            tes

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Tes,
            Don’t worry, you did no harm! Xegem yelen! ( I mean it!)

          • Hope

            Here I am, the Interjector:
            Tsighereda,
            That should be enough for Tes,otherwise the more “Gibbersh” you give him,the more attention he will enjoy…
            -A short and sweet response is suffient,beyond that–ignore–The Mahmouday and SAAY style.
            As to his language choice,forgive him as Nittric said,he is studying the Dictionary.
            tes claims to be an Academic perosn but he still categorizes people like this and that….
            He thinks he is the ONLY one who knows about the PFDJ mentality; and he also believes that his WAY is the ONLY High Way and he will kick out every one else out of his High Way.
            Keep your integrity.

          • Hope

            Read “suffient” as “sufficient”;perosn as : person”.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            hahaha,

            saay7 and Mahmud used 2nd class warriors you know that. Nitricc is good in proxy-war but you are not honest warrior. you damn lost soul alive dead individual. You know more than anyone yes how I can kick dump people like you.

            hahaha, damn lost soul man!!!

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank, thank you Brhan, What can I say? tears are washing me. I wish I see you and you see me too.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Kokhob Selam,

          I never failed to see you through your lines. You are one of my hero with very pure lines of readings. When ever I read you and this is how I see you, I see you very deeply and your lines give me PEACE and POWER. With no doubt, haile TG is also SUPERBE! You both are peace giving people. Awatista is blessed for having you.

          You know, I am rude as I use ideological arguments. Ideology is ideology, no one loves it but we all are ruled by it. Ideology is my home but I am quite sure it disturbes people. But I will keep residing in this room as far as there is an ideological argument and PFDJ is alive. It is my tools.

          Sometimes, I use humanitarian terminologies and I feel peace with myself and I believe I am sharing it with others too. It is at this time that I wrote the piece in response to Tzigereda.

          I know it is part of you and sorry for bringing the memories back. but sometimes, arguments leads to the limits.

          Let’s renew our spirit and fight till there is Justice and freedom in Eritrea!

          hawka
          tes

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Hayat and Awatistas,
    The suffering of Eritreans under IA has been narrated and dealt on extensively. Thus I’d prefer to skip it.
    You might have already seen the latest vote results in Assenna.com where 75% of the readers regard IA’s recent declaration of the 1997Constitution as “dead and burried” illegitimate. Definitely, this is still a small number but it gives a hint on the trend and on what many think. Please read also what a former participant (Tekea Tzegai, Berkele, California) of the constitution commission has written in Assenna.com. On the other side there are voices ( Keleta Kidane in meskerem.net…”haziNa”..) and in Gerger web a ” condolence message” to PFDJ supporters( xinAt yihabkum)…
    Beyond any doubt the procedure of the constitution making excluded all other Eritrean political organizations (as an entity), here and there its content may be faulty and defective in retrospect. Amendments and rereading shall be necessary. Still the Cons came to life with the arduous effort of many Eritrean scholars and elders, it was discussed on by the large majority (input not effective enough? Maybe) ratified by the sole National Assembly since independence (non representative? Again maybe). Its implementation was allegedly disparaged for the sole reason of the war with Ethiopia. Many of us, including myself, stayed, on principle, away from the making process at that time. Well respected. But it remains a legal starter we eritreans have and can refer to. The constitution of 1997 though “supervised” by IA it is not to be equated to constitution=NSU, NSU= constitution. As a matter of fact one would anticipate that the opposition camp would unanimously condemn the single-handed discarding of the Constitution by IA and tell him unmistakably :it is not yours it is up to the Eritrean people to do with it what it envisages and thinks suits best. Just as we welcomed the independence and said it’s ours and not HIS. Any other conclusion -irrespective of the reasoning and wording -would mean playing to IA whims. Once again falling for his divisive goals.
    How would those who argue that the constitution of 1997 was drafted to serve IA’s interests (and I wonder if so, why IA never wanted to implement it and declared it now non existent and dead) have handled the Cons if IA were deceased long before? Would you have considered amendments and revision or would you have discarded and buried it with him all together? Why has the majority of opposition been calling not only “down down Isaias, but “we demand the implementation of the constitution”? Wasn’t this what the G-15 , Wedi Ali, and all others who are either languishing in prison or are murdered , were calling for?
    The Constitution is not “nothing near that to serve as a rallying gravity of anger and fury”? Oh yes, it is!! Look around and listen to the loud and silent „voices”. What’s missing (yet) is the grasping of the great chance to rally disobedience and protest (in an effective and organized manner) for the opposition as a whole as well as (not to be underestimated) “PFDJists” with increasing hopelessness and loss of loyalty. The Cons is part of the legal leverage for denouncing, condemning and refusing the policy of the regime with its consequences. Parcel of the legal base for calling “down, down DIA. FitHn Higin ynges”.
    No Hayat Adem, we don’t need “invitation to be part of Eritrea” and “recognition as stakeholders in the Eritrean affairs”. We legimately claim that role. It’s our irrefutable right. It’ s our duty.
    Hayat Adem, you wrote “…The 1997 constitution was never part of the Eritrean value and culture”. Can you please specify briefly which points you mean by that?
    From my point of view, a person who has been beating the war drums (after the Ethiopian heli pilots defected to Eritrea), a person who has been defending the defaming theory of Ghedli by YG, a person who has been calling for the interference of the Ethiopian government has lost her/his credibility, as long as she/he doesn’t make an open “acknowledgment” that she/he has changed her/his opinion.

    I don’t think we are on the right path. The right way of building trust, reflecting the much needed spirit of building a UNITED FRONT. Eritrea is in urgent need of wise politics and politicians, who are ready to shoulder the huge burden with responsibility.

    Dear Emma,
    When you want to treat a multimorbid patient (for example Multiple Myeloma) you can not offer him an allogeneic stem cell transplantation (familial stem cells; curable approach), because the mortality rate is high, all you can offer him is an autologous stem cell transplantation, and what he needs first, is an induction chemotherapy to downsize the high tumor load ( and you cant skip that!). And even this has to be done with the consent of the patient.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear/darling natey nay BHtey Tzigereda
      Thank you very much. Just as many were, I was awaiting your response; I knew you would be the counter weight to Hayat’s comment; that’s why I passed many contentious points Hayat raised with “she described the flow of events excellently in her unique way” adding in one comments Hayat is a brilliant writer/analyzer, but in her own way (the YG way) also adding she was full of YG garbage. I remember inserting ዒቕ ክሳብ ዝብላ ጸጊባትሉ in one of my comments. I hope you have read my inputs regarding the murder of the constitution which consumed many of my comments, and incidentally, they were similar to your beautifully compiled comment. I opted to skip the constitution in my latest comment to Hayat because I had said enough of it, and wanted to emphasize two points Hayat made, of course, giving her the defense as a person not to be judged by her citizenship but by her ideas.
      1. I wanted to farther deal with the question that often comes, and that’s ” why we as a nation could not react the way normal nations react when advents of such magnitude hit home? why we can’t rally in unison at this time when the objective is so clear? and similar questions. We continue to discuss this line with HTG and hopefully break it down to its bare elements.
      2. I thought Hayat’s mention of the “heroes and heroine” who have paid or are paying the ultimate price and who happen to be related to ghedli (tegadelti of all organizations and Hafash wudubat, people somehow related to the liberation struggle…) needed recognition and I did so. I knew your one line entry was a hint you would be coming with a fully developed comment.
      Your Question to Emma is important. I wish you said it in a less technical language. I know Emma knows what you mean, but many would benefit by explaining it in plain English. I hope he does so when he replies.
      But… I will tell you, that’s a heck of Hateta. in fact, the mother of all Hatetas. Now SAAY will have to make rounds of defense fences for an obviously impending democratic coup in and around the editorship of the Republic Of Awate. Unlike Mahmuday’s benign coup, yours seems to be “sur neQel”.
      Have a wonderful w/end.

      • Nitricc

        Mahmuday, what i don’t get is this. why can just people chill and take what ever constitution PIA gives you and get the country to safety and then, and then you can change the freaking constitution to what ever you want. constitution is not written on stone. you can change it. you can amended it, you can rewrite it. I don’t get it? right now the most and for most thing to do is, take what ever the man gives you and get the country in order. Eritrea is as good as the PIA wants to leave her, plain and simple. let the man take his course.
        seahwaks 24 Packers 34 sorry Mahmuday i just feel taking a shoot : – )

        • Mahmud Saleh

          nitrickay
          Unfortunately, could prove to be true unless there is no change in the direction the opposition is swimming. Blaming PFDJ…won’t get PFDJ removed, alienating a vast chunk of our people won’t get PFDJ removed, the policy of “confess/ተናሳሕ” won’t remove PFDJ. PFDJ could be removed only when its bases reject it. What we see is an opposition full of competing priorities, most of those competing ideas could be addressed if hot-headed folks like nitrickay get busy playing video games and chasing chicks.
          Do you think future generation will have the country handed over to them intact? What makes a country crumble? To me nitrickay, the confidence of the youth is an indicator. When I see young people fleeing their country, it distresses me. A country is as good as its young population put trust on it. Do you think the aspirations of our young generation are as strong as they were 23 or even 20 years ago? Why are the young people fleeing the country enmass? Don’t you see the process of unraveling the country has been going on? What worse do you fear could come if an inclusive democratic process takes place?
          The reason I call for change is because the current policies are bleeding the nation. As you know I don’t care regarding who brings that change as long as it ensures people’s participation and their rightful ownership of the process.
          On Seahawk the greatistas and Packers? The birds will prove you wrong. Just watch, I will send you a note.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Mahmuday,

            The question you asked me yesterday is cooking and baking in my kitchen. And coming along rather yummy. The meal would be served up later today. I recommend diners to keep their stomach empty till dinner is served:-)

      • Kokhob Selam

        Mahmuday Sure Amuni will come with his unique but clear way to explain. but I love your call Now SAAY will have to make rounds of …” I am really missing his views. hope he will appear, I saw him around Jebena from long distance.

        but Lol I am a bit jealous when you start “Dear/darling natey nay BHtey Tzigereda” do you know my first poem about Eritrean women was posted due to Tzigereda’s post at that time? even she don’t know I think. Hayata noticed the poem that I wrote for her health well being during her sickness very late . this I just to express my love and respect I have to you all, Jebena had a lot of secrets then.

      • Tzigereda

        Dear Mahmud,
        Thank you! kibret yihabeley!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dearest Tzigereta,

      I remain on my stand still while I respect yours. I know Hayata will come up with her explanation more than I do regarding constitution. for me it is a collection of papers written and the world is full of documents to read, there is nothing on that since it is not practical. why it was not practical till today is because it was prepared under illegal group with some innocent but most opportunists. is that good Constitution ? it doesn’t matter as far it is not functional. we may put the same or more advanced constitution when PFDJ goes. constitution of 1997 ?it is like forcing a lady who belong to some one for marriage and prepare illegal documents just to throw her some where.

      • Tzigereda

        Dear Kokob Selam,
        I must have missed the poem…aythazeley! Thank you so much.
        Your opinion is respected!

        • Kokhob Selam

          I know that, ok it is here. 2 years back before one day or two days before the poem was posted you had an posted your view, remember it -that is a homework for you. enjoy it now.

          Kokhob Selam • 2 years ago

          ………..ጓል ሃገርይ………….

          ምጭውቲ ፍዮሪ ናይ ወይኒ ዘለላ:
          ባህሪያዊ ተፈጥሮኣ እንከይሰናኸላ:
          ድሕሪት ከይተረፈት ንሓዋ መሲላ:
          ኣብ ሃገር ኣብ ሜዳ ዕጥቃ ኣደልዲላ:
          ዓወትና ዘቅረበት መስዋእቲ ከፊላ:
          ትረባረብ ጀግና ኣብ ድፋዕ ተኺላ::

          ጓል ሃገርይ:—
          ኣብ ሰደት ውን ኣይሓመቐተን:
          ንግዝያዊ ርብሓ ኣይተታለለትን:
          ንጸገማት ሰደት ኢዳ ኣይሃበትን:
          ንጉዳይ ሃገርና ሸለል ኣይበለትን::

          ጓል ሃገርይ:—
          መከራታት ህዝባ ንዓለም ነገረት:
          ወጽዓ ናይ ዚ ህዝቢ ተንቲና ገለጸት:
          ምስ ተበልጽቲ ዲያስፖራ እናተጋተረት:
          ዋዛ ኣይኮነትን ንቅድሚት መረሸት::

          ጓል ሃገርይ:—
          ምስጋና ይግበኣ እታ ኣደይ ወላዲተይ:
          እታ ሓብተይ ፍንጫሕ መሰንገለይ:
          እታ ክብርቲ ብዓልቲ በይተይ ኣፍቃሪተይ:
          ክብርኺ ላዕሊ እዩ ጀግና ጓል ሃገርይ::

          Kokhob Selam

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Kokob Selam,
            Wonderful!!!
            Thanks a lot!
            But the memory check…terife alecku, I give up!

          • Kokhob Selam

            don’t worry we are in awate.com and sure somehow I will find it.

          • Hope

            OMG,
            Kokhobay,is there a way you can “sell” these unique Poems in a book format besides changing them to Lyrics and Songs by the likes of Helen Meles,Jemal,Berekhet Menghiste-Ab,etc.?..
            I requested before but not sure as to where you are.–on this.
            Am sure that you are saving them safely.
            I promised that I will buy a 100 of them(books)

          • Kokhob Selam

            give me some time and I will talk to you regarding my poems.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kokhobay,

        My comment is on hold, waiting in queue for the moderator to release it. It was posted, but when I make some edits it went back to the queue. So hopefully will be re-posted again. I am crossing my fingers not to send me to re-do it again. What I learned recently, which I failed to understand so far was, that the Eritrean mind is so contradictory vividly exhibited in their commentary views. There is no consistency in their principles. It itches my mind always.

        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Kokhob Selam

          in fact I saw it. it was right in the display then went back, I even try to reply saying “ANBESA” but I couldn’t. so here in advance reply – ኣንበሳ!

      • Hope

        Hold on Kokhobat,
        Re-read what Tsighereda said.
        She is not supporting the document per se but the way it was handled over all and the participation of the Eri Majority,where most people we’re involved in questioning and in ratifying each Statement,on which I had an opportunity like of most Eritreans.
        It was one of the best engagement I have ever seen by any standard well beyond an”African Stadard”.
        What is Hypocritical is that the same people ,who were critical of the Ratified Constitition are cursing the same President,who ,apparently, dumped the same Ratified Constitution.
        As you were advised,it is probably unfair to write a Death Certificate before confirming the death of someone.
        Let us wait and see what the ” New Constitution” looks like, then we can debate and even take ” Actions”

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Tegadalit Tzigereda:
      I am glad you came back with this expanded comment, I have yet to read it but wanted to say that usually one liners are the domain of Eri men and EPLF Tegadalti***, “zereban meshelan kisad kisadu, btsay yehtsir yetsir” and so on. So I was worried. Then I wondered if “gizi mis hetseretki” and I wondered if “giziye” is feminine or masculine in Tig grammar 😉
      ***MaHmuday. this is joke, It is a joke. I repeate 😉
      Suddenly Mahmuday lost his humor in 2015 and Sal started “mhkal” and “mkuray”. So I am developing a habit to always make the point that I am joking,which defies the purposes. “Gin adeka aykem zleaketikan edaga kem zitsehnha” goes an old adage

      • Tzigereda

        Hi Semere,
        Hahaha! This is qeleb Amet, aytestewahido…negram!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ya Abu Noah
        ናይ SAAY ጉዳይ ‘ኳ ብጣዕሚ ኣሻቒሉና ኣሎ። እሙናት ምንጭታት ከም ዝብልዎ ኣብ ክልትኣዊ ረብሓታት ዘተኰረ ዘተታት የካይድ ኣሎ። ኮኾብ ሰላም ጀበንኡ ካብ ትሰባበር ኣትሒዙ ሳልሕ ብዙሕ ኣይቀሰነን። እቲ ሕሜታ ፈኸም ክብል ጸኒሑ ዳርጋ ተጨቢጡ ኣሎ። ሳልሕ ብሰንኪ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ጀበና ዝገበሮ ዕልዋ ድቃስ ስኢኑ ኣሎ እውን ይበሃል እዩ። ሕጂ ከኣ ጽገረዳ ድግድጊት ተዓጢቓ መጺኣ ኣላ። ሰመረ ከም ኣመሉ ሓዊ ክኣጓጉድ ይረአ ‘ኳ እንተሎ ደምበ ዓወቲስታ ዘ ግሬቲስታ ኣይክተሃመልን እዩ።

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DTA6PHVTeI

        • Semere Andom

          Thanks MaHmuday: Are you trying to drive Wad Haiget nuts after he settled with HP, he has not settled with HM
          Why is gual Aqbela’s heart is “libetaye” , it is not endrearment, it is “tesqir”, why/limza/berke/le min as cousin Hope would say. Do you have explanation 😉
          It was not “esat egl eqrha” I was teasing T/Tzigereda and she answered with typical Eritrean humor 😉
          Q for your, what does “seffa” mean, it is almost in every Tigrayit song the same like “dimma.”. I know this is confusing I seem to know other words and sometimes not simple words. When I was 17, I used to know big words in Arabic and missed a lot basic words so my friend who studied in the Sudanese school system prescribed for me books that 10 years old read to fill the gap:-)

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Sem A Hffonaay (and who said ghedim tegadalay MaHmuday doesn’t enjoy jokes. Have you forgotten the jokes you heard in SaHl and Batka (Girmayka) when you came there looking for that….
            Tigre 101:
            ልቤታዬ፡ both endearment and tesQeer as in the expression “my little poor heart” as our Tigrgna speakers love to say: ጭሩ ብዓቕማ ትሕጎም። if you need more doses, Ustaz Gadi can be reached at SAAY@AWATE.COM for more clarifications. aytestewaHdo
            ሴፋ means a ration that’s essential for a traveler. So, in wed Amir songs you hear ” ሴፋ ወ መስተይ” He symbolizes the love that had afflicted his heart as an essential nutrition for his survival. If you mean ሰፋ with the double sound of the “f” like using “sheddah” in Arabic pronunciation, I know only the seffa you know which is chewing tabacco. But I am sure you are looking for the first one, “siefa.”
            ሕቶታትካ ተመሊሶም’ዶ? እንተ ዘይተመሊሶም ግቡእካ ምስ ፈጸምካ ሕተቶም። “መጀመርታ ግቡእካ ፈጽም፡ ደሓር ሕተት” ይበሃል ነይሩ እቲ ቀደም። እንተ ደቂ ሎሚ….?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmuday:
            Ya ellim,ya ellim. All may questions have answered. I mean “sieffa” as HM says as also as ZB says. nOw I will be over dosing over “sieffa” showing off my new skill to those who do not know 🙂
            Shukren!!

          • saay7

            Semere A:

            I am retired from Facebook and I know Wad Haiget won’t read this so: he ain’t the Tigrayit gate-keeper; he just thinks he is:) A survey of 4 native-Tigrayit speakers yields this result: 100% of them say that Helen Meles sings Tigre songs like a native-speaker. And she should before she grew up in Kassala where Tigrayit is a STRONG second language.

            Uffff. Fesh abelkani Sem A:)

            saay

        • Kokhob Selam

          እዋእ ! ኣንታ እዚኣ ድኣ ከመይ ከመይ እያ ? እወው !!ማሕሙዳይ ምስ ሳልሕ ከይተባእሰኒ :: ኣደይ ጀበና እንተሰይረ “ንነብሳ ይግበረላ ” እያ ትብለኒ ነይራ ::

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Selam Tsigereda haftey,
      what an eloquent argument!
      As Amanuel said, ‘inconsistency’ is one of our unfortunate qualities. Some used to say ‘the constitution is not representative’ and now that it is murdered they cry ‘murder!’. The constitution can be flowed but then we will have the right to amend it, in a democratic Eritrea. Anyone will have the right to claim their right have not been represents.
      It is mind boggling why we would keep contradiction ourselves. Have we not been using whatever system the Dergue left behind in our courts? Why is it so unacceptable to use something prepared/drafted and ratified by Eritreans? Let us all fight in unison to establish a democratic system where we can freely say ‘My rights should be included in this constitution!’ ‘I think I am left behind!’
      We have to remember many are in Eraero for asking for its implementation. Are we saying they were wrong?

      • Tzigereda

        Dearest Sara,
        Am glad to see you here!!!

        • Hope

          On behalf of Dr Sara,myself and the likes of me
          More than GLAD to have you back!
          Go girl….rightfully and legitimately!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Sara

        just for clarification: (clarifying myself and supporting your argument)

        I believe I used the word “murder” in this expression, “regarding the murder of the constitution.”

        I also made it clear it should be revised, and I picked out areas I thought needed improvement which is not a problem. I am a layman. But I see it as a document that Eritreans participated in its development for the first time; I see it as a document which could be used as a tool; and I argued exactly like what you argued now “We have to remember many are in Eraero for asking for its implementation. Are we saying they were wrong?”
        Yes, I admit it will need revision, but it belongs to the people, and becoming in line with IA in its murder would mean IA has disarmed you without a fight.
        So, I am not contradicting myself. I am just a bit not quite sure who you are referring to when you used the word “murdered’, because I believe I was the first one to use it here on this forum.
        The rest are ideas that support yours and Tzigereda’s comments.
        IA has to discard it because there are many legal questions which could come up if he allows applying it, remembering that a ready made document doesn’t give him a leeway for time-buying maneuvers.
        1. He will be asked why he has frozen it without any legal procedures
        2. He will be asked why he imprisoned those who called for its enactment; he has committed innumerable crimes which are in conflict with the articles in the constitution.
        3. He would have to announce the drafting process in order to put off internal demands particularly from veterans (the last year was unique. Veteran tegadelti challenged PFDJ officials regarding the constitutionality of the government and why we were working without a constitution in all seminars conducted behind closed doors. It’s sad those calls did not get proper place and attention in the resistance media for reasons I can only guess. Therefore, I have no doubt the sudden announcement of the resumption of drafting a constitution, on May 24, 2014, was done mainly to sooth those calls. You heard what he said in his last interview; and he will keep dragging out the process as long as the country can take it.

        I have to say to those who say “it’s OK to let it go because it was not a legitimate/legal document” this: why would people believe you that you could come up with a more popular document when you don’t even put up a feeble resistance to the discarding of the first popular document? What’s popular to you? Who were missing out in the process apart from “organized political inputs”? I know the participation was not evenly energized, but was it by design or by factors other than deliberate marginalization?
        Regards.

        • Saleh Johar

          Mahmuday,

          Do you think anyone who is in EllaEro was flawless? Personally I sympathize with them because of their predicament, the inhuman treatment they received. But that is not an endorsement of their goofs and bad decisions when they were in power– one of them the way they collectively acted as conquerors, intoxicated with power.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ya Ustazna almuHtarem
            First: no body is flawless
            second: You should not remain at the level of sympathy; you should fight in order for them to get justice, because justice is not conditional. Even your enemies deserve justice.
            Third: I am not sure why you characterize them as if they acted as “conquerors.” They definitely acted as any victor would act. We all were intoxicated as victors; most Eritreans acted as victors, because they have endured so much of adversities (tegadalay, Hafash wudubat, villagers, highlanders, lowlanders…name it). And you know why? Because it was a popular front leading a popular fight. That’s a fact no body will ever erase. I have already said that the demise of ELF was a result of confrontations which went for years unsolved; and the final fate rests on both organizations’ leadership. Let history take care of it.
            Fourth: Should they have acted as foresighted leaders, should they have controlled their sense of invincibility and accommodated sensible and responsible approach of calling in a national conference ( I am not only talking about ELF factions but other sectors of our society who felt injured by the demise of ELF), YES, they should have. But that doesn’t completely erase the fact that they stood to tyranny even at the last hour, something none of the opponents now tarnishing them have done.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            someone will name you iSaleh,the I is for inconsist 🙂
            Sal, I am joking;-)

          • Kokhob Selam

            always be around.Love you.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Saleh Johar;
            Better late than never. Those individuls had admitted their mistakes and were willing to take their share of responsibility. If their calls for a democratic governance were heeded, we would have been saved the predicament we find ourselves in today.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abraham,

            Maybe, but “because they were jailed for it we should accept it” is not a convincing argument, I think. Because there are many who were jailed for opposing the regime’s exclusionary practices. Therefore, we must reject it because people were jailed for that position. That is my argument.

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Selam Mahmud hawey,
          To my lose I did not read your previous comment. When I say ‘…cry murder’ or ‘… contradict ourselves’ I was not referring to you. I have been having discussion and reading texts on this issue of constitution and DIA’s confession to ‘murdering’ it. People who have been calling to the implementation of the constitution are now saying that it was not representative of all Eritreans in the first place.
          Well I say let us use it as a reference or let us sit together and draft a charter that we can use. If we are not willing to get united in the face of this brutality, then let us not argue over its representation. Do we even have a moral high ground?
          Don’t get me wrong, I remember the time when it was being drafted and the conference etc. many of my colleagues were not invited. Many educated who would advocate democracy and human right were scorned in the conference halls by many EPLF cronies. etc. I remember when they they wanted the oath in court to be ‘sga seweat’ with the intention to remove the Bible and Quoran, making themselves our gods. But God is great, they lost. So I know under what conditions it was drafted. However, now that we do not even have it and our state of unity is so weak, we need to focus on solutions and not on problems which we already know.
          I believe that we need to come up with something that we all can use. We have to understand that it is inevitable that someone will say ‘it does not represent me’ to anything drafted. But there is always a solution to it. AMEND IT.
          Thank you Mahmud for being polite.
          Haftkha,
          Sarah

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Dr. Sara,

            How can we again sit and draft a charter? Don’t we have an already drafted guiding charter to remove PFDJ? Are we that much isolated? We have more than 30 organizations and charters and each was born in the same way you are proposing.

            No one tested the already drafted charter that can help us to fight PFDJ. The reason is, “everybody loves to start from scratch”. As Saleh Gadi wrote in his brutal argument about EFND specific members, “we love to start from scratch”.

            We have a number of opposition chapters, more than 30, chose one and be part of them or remain a humanitarian activist and work with it. In fact, the humanitarian activists are now regaining their battle ground and are able to knock every door possible. I am so happy to see asmarino.com to fully devote her intire content on the humanitarian issue though more is left in that room to be free of YG School of thought, the opportunists, and to extend her network to the entire Eritrean community without discrimination. I thank Selam Kidane for her bold move in this regard and Dr. Russom for at least being for inclusive to all Eritrean stakeholders.

            Dear Dr. Sara, kindly liberate yourself from FEAR and design the future. You are one of our scholars and we want you to be a DISGNER of our future. Don’t be conquered by STRESS that is generated by the cruel people in Asmara.

            Hawki
            tes

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Dr. Sara,

        You never failed to call Eritreans to focus on current issue. You are really a caring mother and very loving.

        Saying this, I could have just sayed, YES mother, I am trying to fulfil your call. But, I would kindly oppose this single sentence of yours that says, “Have we not been using whatever system the Dergue left behind in our
        courts? Why is it so unacceptable to use something prepared/drafted and
        ratified by Eritreans?”.

        Yes, if EPLF and later PFDJ continued what Dergue left behind, it is only because they both have one common character and that is they are both brutal dictators. They like to kill people, to jail people, to terrify people, to disintegrate families. They both like blood of YOUTH and mourning of mothers. They both share common kiling machine. Their ideology is the same, the institutions built by Dergue was highly needed and they want to maintain it. Not a single prison center, be it under-ground or police station center was closed but expanded. PFDJ in his 20 years course, he built more prison cenetrs than hospitals and the same did Dergue. Are you then suggesting us to keep focusing just the blood thirsty DIA. No Dr. Sara!

        I am always uplifted by your constant call to focus on our current problems and I say I am with you and I remember you (haile TG) is a messiah for your call.You are blessed to have him around. But for the institutions, NO Dr. Sara. Let’s just not look the honeymoon after the removal of DIA.

        Hawki
        tes

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Selam Tesfabirhan hawey,
          Thank you for the kind words. I think you have got me wrong. What I meant was not to use PFDJ’s institutions, not at all. In fact I believe that we should clean our country from all the traces of such blood sucking ideology. I meant that after liberation, the courts have been using whatever they found left by Ethiopia, sometimes making some changes along the way. So why is it so bitter to used what was drafted by Eritreans, even if it is as a reference. Haven’t we been calling for its implementation all these years?
          We can not have nothing after the removal of the fiend. That is why I strongly believe that unity and sitting together to discuss priorities are of utmost importance and urgent. There are many Eritreans who are experts in this field. We have to draft a charter or use the constitution as a charter. But what we are doing is simply arguing. Sometimes I think ‘did DIA say what he said about the constitution to give us a topic to argue about and leave our right track towards unity?’ Maybe!
          Haftkha,
          Sarah

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Dr. Sara,

            I may fail to understand you, if I do I apologize.

            But, even again, you are shwing your frustration about the tranisition period. Be FREE from that. If PFDJ inherited the some from the Dergue, it is only because it served him well. In fact, what he served was what he is ok with and that is dictatorial laws.

            In fact, Dergue was more humanitarian to prisoners as compared to PFDJ. Dergue, either kills you or pass a rule that keeps in prison. Yet, the prisoner has a right to be visited by family. PFDJ has very simple rule to be followed: “Let you die unheard in prison”. No case to be heard, c”est FINI!

            What PFDJ inherited was, the prison centers, the torture mechanism, and killing machines. Aha, the coupons, the ISEPA members and who are now activiely serving PFDJ offices even at very ranking level. I am sure you are aware about it, but the ISEPA former members are now the main community court heads, local administrators, head offices in ministry of agriculture, education, sport, etc. Why he hired them now? It is because they are good people for his ideology.

            Sorry, if I am acting odd and I apologize if I fail again to understand you.

            hawki
            tes

    • Hope

      Selam We Senay.Dotoressa,(At least an Honorary)
      This is Classic Tsighe Haftina and your are more than a Classic Eri Woman as well with no exaggeration!
      Your Technicl and advanced Medical Language made me wonder if you are an Oncologist.
      Beyond that,your arguement,reasoning ,counter-arguement and clarification on the subject matter is / are beyond hilarious !
      Thanks for addressing Aman,a Clinical Pharmacist,the right person with the right language and to the point.

      As to Ms Hayat Adem,I felt bad for her for not using your style of integrity,rationality,truthfulness ,honesty,common sense and what not!
      Proud to be one of yours!

  • Nitricc

    Uncle, they don’t know how to be positive and think right. it is always negative, whatever it is. I wouldn’t post it if this beautiful girl wouldn’t hold the book. so, in my mind, i was compliment them about the hardship and the Hope the way of life they go through. but Ethiopians suffer from inferior complexity so, what ever you say, they are going to see it negatively. they will love to tell you how their economy is booming and they soon will launch space craft in to the space, but looking at that girl, they don’t want deal with the reality. they don’t even know their economy is a babble because them they self, live in a babble. the day that babble bursts out, goes puufffffffffffffffffffffff.

    • Rahwa T

      So still you have
      the gut to talk about inferiority complex sitting in a land that belongs to none
      of your blood relatives. “Keman lay Qomesh manin tamialesh”. I would have
      respected your view, had you and you types been living in your country. What a shameless
      creature!

  • Abinet

    Hey cousin
    Thanks for your advise. I stay optimistic . My problem is the days are way too slow. I am dying waiting for the completion of the mega projects. It is two loooong years before the completion of GERD and other projects .
    According to Ernest & Young, ethiopia will be a net exporter of food in two years, a middle income country in about ten years. I can not wait. Cousin Hope , I have so many reasons to be optimistic .
    How about you and I meet at Park Hyatt Addis in about 3 years for coffee? I chose Hyatt because I know for sure my favorite Hayat Adem will be there . She owns it . It is a gift from ethiopians for defending us at AWATE .

    • Rahwa T

      Wud Abi,

      demo bleh bleh keNitricc gar? hasabhn adenQalehu. Neger gin bezih neger eniee yelehubetm. demie yifelana…. Bayhon Hayat, HaileTG, Amanuel, yemesaslutn Chewa sewoch gar agignche bayachew des balegn.

      • Abinet

        Sistu Rahwa
        Minale btanagriw leAnchim tarik leEsum talaq kibir yihonal.
        BTW, I was talking to Hope gerageru not Nitricc sid adegu.

        • Nitricc

          Ante Qiletam shimagle watch your stupid words. Dedeb.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Abi,

          I just don’t understand why you keep ‘dingay lay wuha mafses’ 🙂 You are wasting your brilliance on responding to the really unworthy, if you know what I mean… 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            actually they are both in extreme side of things. you welcome, I was expecting Horizon and you here. hope you are all fine.

          • Dear Kohkob Selam,

            Thank you a lot for your friendly concern.

            When irrational people make irrational discussions, it is better not to be part of it. When some people post a picture of a poor Ethiopian schoolgirl to convey a sinister message, or when they tell you Egyptians are coming with their missiles, Apache helicopters and F16s to destroy you, it shows their hate, meanness and hopelessness, and there is nothing to discuss. What would the reciprocation be? One would be forced to be equally mean and irrational, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth; and things get nasty.

            As much as regime supporters are concerned, their mission is to support the regime no matter what, (although, whenever they have a spell of cognitive dissonance, they might say the opposite, such as, the
            regime is not right in this and that, and still they continue to support it). They degrade and demean Ethiopia, Eritrean refugees, Eritrean opposition and they fight day and night for the longevity of the inhuman dictatorship ever. Ethiopians are forced to respond with a knee-jerk reaction to their provocation and voila, things get out of control and we find ourselves in a vicious circle of counter-accusations.

            We fought bloody wars, and they were not meant to bring peace and prosperity for the Eritrean people, but destruction, humiliation, worse misery and human sufferings. Unfortunately, there are those who are vanguards of this horrible situation, and they are trading with the pain and misery of their people, some for their personal grandeur and others to fulfill their inner hatred, with a grave consequence for the ordinary Eritrean. When some Ethiopians and Eritreans try to build a bridge, they dismantle it so that it is never completed. This is the unfortunate Ethio-Eritrean reality.

            I see many Eritreans say “the country we so dearly love” (although they rarely say the same thing for the people), and yet at the same time you see that they are among the stumbling blocks that block the way for the Eritrean people towards peace and prosperity. They cannot tell the difference between dignity and greatness on one side, suffering and humiliation on the other, because on both sides of the equation they see themselves, in their comfort zone and with their material abundances. This is the worst type of intellectual dishonesty.

            Therefore, my friend, there are times when a discussion is uninviting; and in such cases, I hate to participate.
            This is the reason of my absence. In addition, of course, Eritrean constitution, stillborn or brain-dead and on a long–term life support, and finally declared dead, is not my business. If I am allowed to say anything on this, it is that, if you want to avoid another disappointment, do not expect another written constitution (good or bad) from DIA and the PFDJ. Rule of the jungle will continue.

            Dear Kokhob Selam, just to make you smile a little. Eritrea is like a young girl whose parents and brothers are guarding her day and night to protect her from the so-called “marriage by abduction”, by that annoying creature, Ethiopia. If Eritrea is free, she will have the right to do anything she likes. Contrary to the wishes of her parents, she might even expose herself and get attracted to that naughty creature Ethiopia. Therefore, the only way to keep her as far away as possible is to close the doors and windows and have her isolated.

            Regards.

          • Abinet

            Eyobe
            I hear you loud and clear .

    • Hope

      Abi nefsey,
      Keep it up.
      And,Insh’llah/God willing,I would love to see Ethiopia in succeeding to complete all the Fantastic Projects,the sooner the better,for the BEStT interest of all of US(the Horn–more than150 Million People) and imagine the buying power of this 150 Million People…..
      Am I jealous?.Oh yeah,absolutely but in a positive and in its Christian Spirit.
      Plus,my ancestors say: “Zei kenii’ ayiweled”–check with Rahwit on this.
      “Mikegnit” is NOT the right term.I am missing the exat Amharic term for it.
      Rahwit et al:
      My Missile Defense System and my F-35 Stealth Jet succeeded in evading your scrutiny and the recently sent Spy Satellite by Ethiopia to space;and I made it safely back to Washington DC after an under-cover and silent but successful Ethio Tour!
      Hoooo,I guess Ethiopia should upgrade the Space Satelite as Egypt already successfully launched secretly her real Russia sponsored Military Spy Satelite.!!!!
      And it is hanging all over Ethiopia, monitoring each and every movement and target.
      Gen El Sisi is promised up to 20 Billion USD within the next 5yrs by the Rich Gulf States….on top of the emergecny Funding worth of $5 Billion for the Russian S-300 Missile Defense System and other up-to-date Missiles and Military Hardware..Mig-29 and Mig 35?and T-90 upgraded Tanks…Not sure why.Call it empty Gurra but something is cooking up.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Tzigereda, are you still busy? I fasten my belt and wait since the day ” zebenya girmbit ..” waiting to read you comment over the opinion of Hayata. I didn’t see any reasonable post against her,and I am certainly sure you will support her all points.

    • Tzigereda

      Dear Kokob Selam ( tium shimu!),
      Sorry for the delay…busy, busy…
      Wish you nice weekend!

  • AMAN

    They already did ! But did the governments repond to their cry.
    I am at loss if you are to mean the government rather than the scholars
    that showed cowardice. It is the governments and politicans that are
    hiding inside skirts not the people and their scholars.If they think they are
    truly leaders they have to dictated by the voices of the people not dictate
    and impose their myopic views.How many times should have scholars to defeat
    the gvernments before they see responce ? 1000 times ? The voice of the scholars
    is the voice of the people and has always been clear and uncontroversial. That is
    GET AWAY WITH ROTTEN GOVERNMENTS AND ADMINISTRATIONS !
    NO POLITICIAN OR RENT SEEKER SHOULD RISE ABOVE THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE
    AND SHOULD NOT MANIPULATE THEIR VOICES. And no administartion or government
    legitimate or illegitimate, elected or unelected has the right to take or give my inherent and
    inalienable rights of citizenship, Land and private property whatever my ideological views
    and organizations I associate with. So whatever my people chose is also my choice !
    Thankyou
    Aman

  • AMAN

    What is wrong with some people like Gebru Asrat.
    Is it their mind became dysfunctional and ceased to function or think OR
    Is it that they do not have clue or do not know who Ethiopia is or what Ethiopia
    was like for 6 decades ? I am puzzled ! Please help !!
    I didn’t read the book he is said written but read some articles about its content
    and theme. And I was shocked when he talks about “Ethiopian sovereignity” ?
    Have Ethiopia ever had sovereignity (for 5 decades or so ) ?
    Can somebody help enlighten me ?
    I know, of course HSI had soverignity but Ethiopia ? never heared it before. It is first
    time for my ears !
    If Ethiopia ever had sovereignity why and how did it get into the mess it is now ?
    Folks !!
    Ethiopia has never had sovereignity! HSI and Mengistu Hailemariam do. That is why
    all these what happened before our own eyes happened to her. If a country has ever
    had sovereignity no ruler is above its sovereignity. But HSI and Mengistu actually were.
    SO WHERE IS THIS FICTIOUS SOVEREIGNITY GEBRU ASRAT IS BRINGING TO OUR EARS !!!
    Isn’t that the word that confused and mislead HSI too. When the UN titled the new government as
    ” The federal union government of Eritrea and Ethiopia” under the sovereignity of HIM HSI ;
    HaileSellasie misunderstood and mistook it as if it is in his power to abrogate it if he wants while
    the UN( due to UK and US pressure) was meant to say like the British constitutional monarchy
    separated from the governing of the country but only as an advising and consultant body only.
    And his ignorance and actions engineered the road of destruction and collapse of Ethiopia and
    immersed it in decades long bloodshed,poverty,famine and backwardness which the legacies of
    it is still haunting and dragging the country from registering meaningfull strides and changes.
    So Gebru Asrat ! Please stop talking Ethiopian affairs which you do not have any clue or
    knowledge about. It is so shamefull to hear such ignorance from a person of your calibre.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Aman, I don’t know if I am right or not but I believe we should respect others history. Ethiopia is among few ancient nations that have never colonized. since Ethiopian people are the most close and mixed with us, I am proud of their history.
      Besides, you and me should not have any problem if they keep telling the world their history the way they want. I prefer to concentrate about our case.what do you say?

      • AMAN

        I agree with you AND I will do so.
        But I will not take Ethiopian government/Admisnistration history as
        state or people’s history.
        But my agreement with Amanuel H. is getting divergent every day.

    • Amde

      I sorely wish we had a million Gebru Asrats.

      There are very few politicians in the world who would stand in front of thousands and state that they were wrong. And then follow that up with concrete action.

      He did so not for personal gain (quite the opposite in fact), but out of principle and love for his country. That is integrity and class.

      Amde

      • Gonbel

        Amde,
        Kind of strange to read this from you. Your high minded argument when it comes to Eritrea’s ills are out door. No wonder the defense you mount whenever the Kings name is mentioned.
        To your point, you know that politicians will do anything to curry a favor and that is exactly what he is doing. He took a position for whatever reason, tried the method he honed in the liberation movement and failed to win against a formidable opponent (Meles’ wing).
        What prompt me to write is that you said ” And then follow that up with concrete action”. Would you care to elaborate? The part I’m interested in this his plans towards Eritrea. If you want you can also tell us what he did to promote the ideals of democracy when he was the highest official in state of Tigray.
        Regards,
        Gonbel

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      AMAN,

      Don’t judge by the reaction against him by those who read the book, until you read the book yourself. In other words don’t give your judgement by the verdict of others. If you are sound person, their reaction could only motivate you to read it to find out the real content of the book. And only then, after reading it, could make your own independent judgement on the book and the person himself.

      usually that is the sin of most Eritreans in their political discourse. We judge from what we hear irrespective its authenticity and the factuality of the rumors we heard. There are many in this forum who have the habit of doing that. And of course behind the veil of pen name. But since it is their habit, I am sure they will do it in a real life encounter. So AMAN for your personal integrity only talk on factual document and judge on first hand reading. Brotherly advice.

      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Hayat Adem

    Now we can tango each other, Guest! Cheers!

  • Nitricc

    Whenever the toothless Ethiopians, the likes of Abinet brag about their economy and all that this beautiful girl comes to my mind. All this barging what is to her? She breaks my heart. Take a good look at her face and it will tell you everything you need to know.
    Ethiopians, Eritrea and Eritreans are not your enemies. Your enemies are inequality in social justice, corruption, greed and poverty. Why all this hate against Eritrea? I ask you, what is the 10% economy growth to this little girl?

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10382880_10152517320404496_7028204849493645034_n.jpg?oh=d92dffed5c53a26a5eea8e21ebcc8866&oe=548BDCE9&__gda__=1422670524_fe627d69ed97f6fcab983f63947e21c3

    • Abinet

      What do I see from this picture that you will never see ?
      I see hope . You see this poor but hopeful girl is at school. She is holding a book not AK47.
      We used to see a picture of dying children . Not any more.
      This girl is with her loving but poor parents not in the middle of nowhere in a refugee camp .
      This poor girl is free like a bird to go anywhere without some blood trusty moron shooting at her back.
      When I see her picture I see my father. My father never wore a shoe until he was in high school . He never slept in a comfortable bed until he joined AAU. But let me tell you he made it to the top.
      Now ethiopia is in a better position to provide for her citizens . It takes time but, we will get better. The better days are coming fast.
      I see hope . I smell hope.i breath hope.
      Keep digging . Send me more pictures.
      You should be happy that you are from a rich country where there are no poor children like the girl in the picture .

    • 100% Ethiopian

      http://www.diretube.com/youtube-video/a-fight-that-shocked-the-immigrants-living-in-israel-in-2014-video_df73ad755.html

      Ethiopia is actually teaching her younger generation the tools they need to compete and succeed in the global market. That is why we built dozens of higher academic institutions as well as thousands of elementary, junior and senior level preparatory schools. Ethiopia does not ship her children military and refugee camps like your worthless eritrea seem to excel at. Your country did not even manage to prepare one generation properly. As the video above shows, what shabia/eritea creating is hateful, cruel and violent wild animals.

      • Nitricc

        hahahhahha thanks for the joke 100%. you have 60% unemployed population and you are so lazy, you gave your fertile land for nothing. i am hoping the Indians will give some of the it as AID? you know..

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          1100000011100101001000100000100000111???
          10011110001000100100
          K.H

          • Nitricc

            Kim, i am not surprised you came up with Serray’s line. you guys have been copying everything Eritrea. the question is how come,you guys never came up with your own line? I feel sorry for you guys. I have never seen a country who sells its fertile land you sold 1000 square miles for 230 dollars for 99 years. talk about a failed country. now, come up with your own line and i may respect a little.

          • abrham

            you mean serray invented it or used to it? Why is it you guys keep talking about copy writes while you have nothing to show. Anyway imitating is not a sin praising murders is? But me let me remind you Ethiopia is in a better condition thats why you are barking like a toothless dog. Now come back with your another ugly .. Netraka

  • Fnote Selam

    All Ethios who are sick of insults from #ypfdj: remember, #Ethiopia is every thing that ypfdj wishes #Eritrea was…

  • haileTG

    Hello again FI,

    You see, it is easier to destroy than to build. And at times, the negative has far bigger pulling power than the positive. In this time of lopsided informatics, we ought to do our best to keep our feet on the ground. For eg. over 80% of Eritrean are rural dwellers (no access to internet), according to the WB data over 70% of Eritrea lives in poverty. Now, tell me what proportion of these people prioritize “hate” over everything else and take delight on what is dessiminated by the regime? Why should all these people have to die? And, if they had ability to express themselves, how would Eritrean countryside dwellers (80%) show superiority over other Ethiopians?

    Let’s consider the facts and the truth will not be far. The real tragedy is when such deranged and ignorant maniacs control your behaviour and actions. Don’t give them the joy in that, that is all.

    Regards

  • Nitricc

    Whenever the toothless Ethiopians, the likes of Abinet brag about their economy and all that this beautiful girl comes to my mind. All this barging what is to her? She breaks my heart. Take a good look at her face and it will tell you everything you need to know.
    Ethiopians, Eritrea and Eritreans are not your enemies. Your enemies are inequality in social justice, corruption, greed and poverty. Why all this hate against Eritrea? I ask you, what is the 10% economy growth to this little girl?
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10382880_10152517320404496_7028204849493645034_n.jpg?oh=d92dffed5c53a26a5eea8e21ebcc8866&oe=548BDCE9&__gda__=1422670524_fe627d69ed97f6fcab983f63947e21c3

    • Nitricc

      Ladies and gentleman! the University of Dedebit is proudly announcing the opening of new department school of Dentistry. this school of dentist is high tech and very cost effective. we can take care any dentist needs within seconds. interested students please feel free to contact the dean of school of dentistry, Hayat Adam.
      we are proud to inform you out state of art school of dentists.

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc, deHan’do alekha?! qurb esinbidelka alekhu!

      • 100% Ethiopian!

        This picture seems shocking, and i must admit funny, only before you watch the following video depicting the humanity and intellectual deprivation of Sawa’s alumni.

        http://www.diretube.com/youtube-video/a-fight-that-shocked-the-immigrants-living-in-israel-in-2014-video_df73ad755.html

        This man is applying the little knowledge he acquired from the Arabic University of the Rashidai eritreans to solve a problem he is confronted him. One cannot laugh or ridicule his intention even if his method is rather outrageous. Contrary to that, it is the cruel intention of the Sawa graduates in the video one questions and abhors after watching their savagery and barbarity. eritrean has no future!

        • Guest

          Don’t drive satisfaction at the suffering of humans. Just because a ‘cool guy’ like Nitricc slips his mouth for the time ( at least for Mr. 100% Ethiopian) doesn’t mean it is the end of Ethiopians.

  • haileTG

    aha..disqus swallowed my response, will check it later 🙂

  • said

    The body of a dead Eritrean has been discovered in Dresden, He was savagely stabbed to death .

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/01/eritrean-man-stabbed-death-german-dresden-2015116103027390764.html

  • Nitricc

    AT since all the Ethiopians are going banana over the dead king, I would like to propose a fitting picture for the thread. That way our Ethiopian friends will be satisfied and the author of the article will be recognized appropriately.
    http://ethiopiafirst.info/etnews/images/ethiopiafirst/Dec2014/A16.jpg

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitiricc, when one of the universties was burned in Ethiopia, you celebrated as if it was one advantage for your mafia group, do you remember that? yesterday the Eritreans embassy was burned completely but I didn’t here any Ethiopian enjoying the event. do you see now what you have been accumulating from PFDJ? ONLY HATE!!!

    • Abinet

      The worst mistake both derg and the king made was in their valuation of eritrea. They over valued eritrea to the extent we died to keep it . However, Meles put the value where it belongs and IA took it further to a junk status.
      Your rancorous attitude didn’t move the valuation an inch . It is still junk. You want it in Amharic ?
      ” ar yenekaw enchet”
      There you have it . The reality.
      Keep crying until kingdom comes.

      • Nitricc

        Hahaha Abinet, guess who wasted his life chasseing Eritrea and got kicked in the behind?
        You guessed it, so why are you so bitter? You tried and did not happen. The brave Eritreans showed you what the human sprite and self reliance is. Someone told me that in Addis, not only the people are begging but also the domestic animals. forget over value and under value,
        The point is between you and us, is this, we don’t beg and you do.
        http://mereja.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23866&t=1

        • Abinet

          I agree with you 100% that we should not have chased eritrea. I’m with you on that .
          The brave eritreans are still showing us the human sprit. They showed us how to bring slavery in the name of self reliance.
          Yes people beg in addis . But, they don’t carry AK47 while begging like we see on godana BARINET .
          ELF+ EPLF= ELLF
          ( eritrean LAND liberation front)
          It was a successful front by any standard.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abinet, don’t mix everything. don’t touch our struggle for national freedom. and remember Eritrea is a new country that should go through struggle to start the journey to democracy. stop that, and let me agree with you only we have nonsense group that should be removed but in correct way -keeping national spirit alive.

          • Haile Hizbi

            Dear Kokhob S.,

            Let them mix, but, we, NO. You have read how Hayat Adem clarified her line of thinking when she got got the right audience.

            Our dear brothers from Ethiopia were/are/will be ungry at one thing and that is when ever proud of our history. They are looking people like YG who can revisite our previous history and delete as much they can to bless the Ethiopian annexation of the 1960s.

            We, NO! Let’s not waste our time on such revisionists (Aka YG School of thought, the opportunists).

            Dear Ethiopian brothers and sisters, we don’t have a problem with our history and we will not fight with it. If you are planning to build the Rasta Ferra Church, let you do it and the Jamaican people will be so happy with you. For us, Haile Selassie and Issaias are the same.

            Haile Silassie: Dumped the then Eritrean federal government constitution, Annexed Eritrea, burned villages, churches and mosques, killed thousands of innocent people and produced thousands of refugees.

            Issaias: killed his own constitution, killed many youths and leaders, emptied villages, banned churches and mosques, produced thousands of hundreds refugees.

            Else, I will just advice Kokhob not to correct revisionists who are coming from Ethiopia. If they are from Eritrea, just like that of YG, we don’t have option but to fight them.

          • Kokhob Selam

            we were forced, and we fought. that doesn’t mean we love the bloody war, we don’t. we were not happy to see the death of both Habesha People. the ex-Ethiopian leaders miss the way to peace which could have been good for both. we suffer a lot and now when comes to Eritrean nationalism there is no more compromise. PFDJ try to let us fail in nation making, YG and others surrender to their ego’s and this is not new experience for us. Ethiopia will remain nation. even with our world new developments we can create mutual understanding that leads the maximum unity we can without dismissing the national position. we neglect PFDJ because it against freedom, peace and democracy but we don’t live in cycle suffering for ever. nationalism is accomplished project. with all shortages we are proud of our long journey.

            who said the story of EPLF is the story of PFDJ? yes we are not suppose to be under those backwarded leaders but the story belongs to us.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDPEv-UW6VQ

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokobay
            Very proud of you brother, that’s the right tone. Keep on building on that line of reason. Excellent combination of ideas.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday, I still believe we have some differences.
            Let me put it this way,

            You see the aim of man is growth. I mean we are here in this world for growth. Some may say
            it “to worship God “others may give other description but none will disagree that we are here to grow. Say it growth or any obstacle that we face during the process is always to be solved internally first. No sickness or healthiness was recorded to be external first. If you have cold
            today, it is first your body is not resisting and fighting against external virus first. So killing germs in the air is 2nd job but keeping your white cell strength is first. So are solutions. If you are going to get support or aid from other external forces, it is because your internal space is allowing. So this makes me stop blaming others. From this point of view I reject —

            01. The idea that says only Ethiopian ex governments responsible ignoring that we had people who allowed Ethiopians to enter and say “Ethiopia wey mot” . But again I don’t agree with Ethiopians who blame Eritrean fighters for the death of the Ethiopian solders. See now, it seems contradicting, isn’t it? Now imagine if those few Eritreans were hearing the voice of their own people and Ethiopians reject the kings order-both internally fighting their own self….. it is the same now with those who supported PFDJ at the beginning and end up crying for all their life. again still we see them trying to solve the problem in wrong way because they don’t want to acry accept their mistakes. the price is costly, when you only think of temporary solution.

            02. The idea that says “since Eritreans fail to build democratic nation, Ethiopians ex -government were right and the struggle was wrong. ” costly price was paid but that was just a must,
            03. I don’t agree with the idea that says “removing PIA only is the solution for our problem. In fact I believe even removing the entire PFDJ Only is not enough because PIA alone didn’t create PFDJ nor PFDJ created PIA. It is the fertilizer and the climate that created PFDJ and DIA. So
            we are responsible first and for most. So change within everyone is important. Yes,We may remove the group but if we don’t remove the root cause DIA may come with another name like Mahmuday, Lol kidding.

            04. I don’t agree with the view that says “opposition are useless to change the situation as opposition is only a collection of people who want to change which is also the responsibility of each Eritrean. The man who says so should come with alternative and show us the way.

            05. I am disappointed with people who try reform PFDJ as I feel they are trying to be smart people who try to ignore me and my comrades – that is opportunism in it’s high level but has been rejected by PFDJ too thanks God.

            06. I have taken a stand on 97 constitutions. That is not dead as it was not born. I believe it is during transaction period where reconciliation taking place that we should think of constitution.

            07. I don’t agree with the idea that says ” Ethiopians are working to return back Eritrea. Even if so, if Eritreans are sure of their way in fighting PFJD, even if they start from Ethiopia toward Eritrea,
            no force can control Eritrea. They should develop self confidence and prepare for any possible event by creating strong trust full armed not only in fighting against PFDJ but armed also peaceful tools to make united view of new Eritrea.

            08. I totally reject the reasons PFDJ put for not democratizing Eritrea, all the external blames are baseless.
            Enough ,now tell me where you don’t agree and why. Thank you,

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokebay

            You said both of us have some differences. It’s understandable for no two persons do often agree let alone two guys who lived in different grievance filled world. I underlined the fact that ELF belongs to all of us, and you said: “who said the story of EPLF is the story of PFDJ? yes we are not suppose to be under those backwarded leaders but the story belongs to us.” That’s enough for me. I gave you encouraging comment to build on that punchline. What I did not find compatible was this thinking and your other comment that you had posted posted. You said, “…it is against humanity, peace, it is against nature and we need to clean the Idea from the base. some still want to save their face of their old history.” It was clearly in response to an ugly accusation by a guy who has made picking on me his specialty.

            The point is: I asked who are you refering to when you say “…some still want to save their face of their old history,” if you believe that past history belongs to all of us. That’s all. You have the right to believe in what you believe, I did not ask you for the list, but since you volunteered and you said we differ, then I would expect you to tell me ” here are where we differ,” instead you have told me where you stand. I appreciate that Kokebay, but still the ball is in your court since I my reply was not to tell you where we agree and where we disagree.

            BUT…BUT…since you are Abi seb, I will graciously respond to you.
            On#1. I agree with the first part concerning the right of Eritreans to resist occupation and brutality. I have never said PFDJ should be reformed, I believe there could come a time when domestic forces force PFDJ to its knees, and a chance of transition opens up; what follows is out of my hands but as a citizen I argue for inclusive transition, I push for the avoidance of the nineties when many players and stakeholders were sidelined. I believe most members of PFDJ are stakeholders in any change that could come and I believe too they have paid dearly in opposing PFDJ. Any politics that tries to paint this huge part of our people is not smart and is futile. I consider them as active justice seekers, they include ex-EPLF, EX-ELF, civil servants, youth old, urbanites, country folks and diaspora. I find it difficult (and this is not directly to your point) to misunderstand this view with designs aimed to reform PFDJ. I am responsible of my own stances; and not what someone else said.
            On#2. I totally agree.
            On#3. Very wise of you; I agree.
            On #4. I agree partly, because I believe the opposition should not be insulated from criticism. As a private citizen, I will criticize what I see of the opposition practices as hindering unity, and the maturing up of unified plans of action while encouraging the positives. We don’t have to demand of people to come up with an alternative opposition; we need to encourage people to put pressure on the already existing organizations. Multiplications of alternatives have cost ther resistance movement a lot.
            On#5. I do agree. We should not ignore or reject each other. I am a free citizen, and I don’t harbor those attitudes. If you think otherwise, please let me. I find you composed and full of ideas; I have no problem debating ideas.
            On#6. We both articulated our views and that should be enough. I know we disagree. But my comments are there; I never said it should be enacted immune of any changes; and actually, I was lucky enough to get one of your rare approvals.
            On#7.I simply say, where ever they are Eritreans should shoulder the responsibility of deciding their fate. I said so much on how a viable and appealing front could be constituted. I agree with you here.
            On #8. I do agree.

          • Kokhob Selam

            That is it Mahmuday. we have a common land to enjoy the struggle. that is what Tes,Amuni and Haile and all others including Hayata etc. agree mostly.

            some times I see you have a soft stand on those EX-PFDJistas. actually they are part of us and we have been together, I have no problem in hearing their voice. but most of them try to reform just because they don’t want to delete the days they enjoy the “we, the creators” Honeymoon in memory -Lol. When we oppose PFDJ totally, they ignore us and go for reform,they even try to draft constitution – a lot of educated people, from different corner of the wold sing and jump a lot – although they berried us alive, we still accept their movement as ours – our history – because they are part of us. what makes me crazy is people among them are still trying to seat with PIA and try to get positions. they don’t feel ashamed of what they have done but even continue on the same road. I want to see great men like you to be strong toward every opportunist of this type even if he is own father or brother. you see, the question is the question of legality. the question of dignity, freedom and then comes all the other.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokebay

            I want to unequivocally clear some of the foggy lines here; I think we need to do some house keeping tasks in order to understand each other.

            1. You said, ” but most of them try to reform just because they don’t want to delete the days they enjoy the “we, the creators” Honeymoon in memory -Lol.”
            a/ I don’t know who the “most of them” are. Bring me a political platform that runs on reforming PFDJ.
            b/ Even when you do that, can’t you take individuals as individuals? Can’t I have my unique voice? Don’t you see that I care less about the past political alignments?
            Do I have to judge you on experiences which I suffered during those years by elements now in the EDA or other armed groups? KS if we have to trek down that precarious path, I have my grievances too. There are elements within the current opposition who had ambushed and blew up my comrades in rear areas while my comrades and I were seized by incessant Ethiopian offensives during the liberation years. There are elements within the opposition who said ” we don’t accept an independence brought by EPLF.” There are elements who blew up and slaughtered my comrades and civilians AFTER INDEPENDENCE simply because THE VICTIMS were doing government assignments ( I know teachers who were blown up while doing teaching, and elders who were slaughtered like animals simply because they were village committees members). If I could have a hosting heart for those elements for the sake of peace why can’t I have THAT SOFT SPOT for present and ex-members of PFDJ who have not applied for that membership in the first place? You have to understand how the membership cards were distributed and why people still hold them. You can’t judge people from a safe and far away places. If you are under their control you have no choice but to carry that membership. People need to survive; what would you do if you were in Eritrea? However, it’s also true most people don’t give a damn to the card, most of them are not active criminals, but don’t expect them to do for you what you have not done for them. Why do we place the blame indiscriminately on the majority who are trying their best to run the nation under difficult political and security situation. The majority of Eritreans in Eritrea carry that card. If you believe they want to reform PFDJ, then you have no case to struggle for. And by the way, I seek justice not because I am called to do so because it serves me. So, they are equally stakeholders; they have paid for justice more than you could present as an exhibit. It’s ex-PFDJ who are paying the prices. You have to be careful when you say those assertions. It’s crucial we be as specific as possible.
            Another point you have repeated is “creators”. I don’t know what you mean by that. But I suspect you are referring to the idea Gadi irritates which goes like this: ” We liberated Eritrea and we guarantee its safety,” ( I did not mean that but he took it that way). The regime is promoting that line, but do you have to fall in to their trap and alienate millions who happen to have fought along the political guidance of EPLF. personally, I REPEATED that all the sacrifices belong to Eritreans and it’s evenly distributed. No one has a gloating position on this issue.
            The point is: the current struggle needs careful handling. At the end, criminals will meet their fate, but the majority have nothing to feel guilty about. I thank them for keeping their spirit up, and for serving our people under difficult rule of PFDJ. Those card holders include teachers, doctors, engineers, EDF members, fathers grandfathers, and of course the few criminals. Our effort should be reflecting the fact that most of our people disapprove of THE POLICIES PFDJ is promoting and executing.
            2. On the second part, you are blaming a vast chunk of the population. Who buried who, who where the ones who were jumping, who were the ones who went to Issayas to get positions, where are they now?
            KS: I spoke yesterday to brother Amanuel Hidrat for the first time. I hope Amanuel doesn’t find this to be inconvenient, but I want to make one point. I found him to be a man of wisdom, we talked a lot. And in fact, we were more civilized and courteous than what you see of us here on this forum. What we need is putting old sentiments behind and contribute towards things that make us move forward.
            People like you and me have been wronged so many times by our leadership. I see why you feel angry about the civil war. I do also feel wronged. I put the responsibility of that ugly past squarely on the leadership of both organizations. Case closed. But you know the country belongs to all of us. The legacy of ELF belongs to me too as much as the legacy of EPLF should belong to you. You should not give PFDJ the credit of liberating Eritrea. It’s your sacrifices, it’s the people’s scarifies.
            3. I can’t see myself in the same basket as someone who advocates for the invasion of my country (Hayat). But I respect her views and actually read her comments too.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I love you Mohamuday, you have gone deep to all the points I brought. here it will not be far to see you and the most lovely and very bold Tesfabrhan soon.

            did you see Mahmuday how you and me came to understand simply by putting things one by one? now we know we have more common views than than differences. Thank you.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Kokhob hawey,

            I see Mahmud always in his repsonse to Nitricc and some very selective forumers. For example, in response to Nitricc, he wrote,

            “Do you think future generation will have the country handed over to them intact?” Well, what does this show? Who the heck believed the youths of the 1960s when they stood up and revolt against the Ethiopian annexation?

            Can’t now believe also for those youths who are fighting to end the dictatorial system in Asmara? Why Mahmud and his likes are not confident on youths? Isn’t mahmud who openely condemned “The Stop to slavery Campaign”? Isn’t he the one who is supporting the democratic coup carried by EDF members because he didn’t trust the opposition group?

            Dear Kokhob, read Mahmud’s recent chauvinistic lecture to Nitricc, you will see Mahmud’s line of thinking exactly.

            As I said repeatedly, no is talking about history now. I will repeat, unless it is a fake history that they are talking about, there is no need to talk about it. Let people read it and judge them on their history. No question about history.

            There is an ambivalence dear Kokhob and we should take note on what they say. And hence, my stand on Mahmud and Sal is one year observation and I will not be merciful on their line of thinking, just like that of the PFDJ system.

            Lets remember, “ኣፍ’ሲ ምልኣት ልቢ ትዛረብ።”

            hawka
            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            you know when people want to be in harmony with balanced stand, they put their principle in danger. hopefully things will be alright. at least we will not let them go far. Just be optimistic.

            why allow PFDJ enjoy our differences,is the question that comes to my mind.

            ንጸላኢ ባህ ኣይበሎ – እቲ ዘይጽንቀቅ ሓቦና ሕጂ ውን ኣሎ ::

            the biggest problem in accepting 1997 is it invites again the new constitution of DIA. yes, it will give more energy to DIA እምበር “መእንቲ ሞጎጎ ትሕለፍ ኣንጭዋ ” ምበልና :: ኣናጹ ዲና ክንሕሉ ክነብር ? “ፍቅሪ ዓሻ ምሕላው ሽግር” በለት ሓረጉ :: those who try to draft new constitution should know their end distinction is Ela Ero as their comrades have. and they should know we are not going to accept any new constitution without full participation of our people. that is the privilege of all.

          • Nitricc

            Abinet
            The reason for all the dysfunction you see in Eritreans is we are decontaminating from your backward culture and way of life. So, it is a process. Once we clean that up, watch out. For instance, one major Africans problem is lack of work ethic. Lack of I can do attitude and dependency on Aid. So, if Eritrea to go somewhere, those things needs to be decontaminated and cleaned. So, it is a process, you free the land and you free the people.
            Can you tell me what you accomplished in “3000” years of your existence? I give you one, you perfected begging; what else?

          • Abinet

            You are doing the cleansing alright .

        • Kokhob Selam

          Nitricc, who will beg from whom in Eritrea ? you beg when there is someone who gives.

      • Hayat Adem

        Abi please,
        I think you are too much for Nitricc to be his match but there are very unnecessary and unhealthy excesses I see on your part. Do you know what the terrorists write on every bullet they fire: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN. I’m sure you don’t want to dispatch non-discriminatory bullets like that, do you? Nitricc wants to be counted as somebody just because he is yelling out. Nonetheless, he is still very harmless to me. Look at his futile efforts to get at me and yet he is still there a harmless and helpless creature. Don’t pick a broad brash when you feel like responding to him.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear All

    Sem A made today one of its kind Hateta. My Hateta is based on Hayat’s comment and Semere’s comment presumably on her comment. I will remain hopeful, the best of our days are still to come. I am not playing politician, I really mean it. What’s needed is a unifying attitude, one that treats Eritreans equally regardless of their historic affiliations. Semere’s tone is considerably measured, and he seems to be pinpointing to the exact juncture where we lost our focus due to the then prevailing euphoria and after-revolution shocks. Our collective failure during the ghedli era of not having been pre-positioned in a manner that would facilitate a viable and acceptable polity for which tens of thousand had given their lives could have been explained by revisiting the relentless pressures our revolution was subjected to; talks of EPLF leadership failures in not preparing a democratic Eritrea could be explained without collectively condemning Eritreans (almost all of them) who resisted subjugation under its leadership; things which hold us as a nation which transpired during our revolution or got consolidated in the long process should not be undermined, we can build on top of those positive contributions. If there are individuals who are obsessed with that period, let them come up with researched works and their peers can review them; the public can debate them. But our collective failures to rise up, particularly in those years that followed the initial honeymoon period and which sealed our current predicament, years of wars, purges, and total reversing of our trajectory, our collective hesitance, disinclination and worse, supporting the regime, should be studied carefully. We may find some of the solutions to our disorganization in studying and carefully looking into that period. Why would some segments of our population felt they needed to stand with the regime while others were purged? Why we did not act courageously when religious and human rights were flagrantly violated infront of us? Why did we stood indifferent when some courageous leaders stood up against tyranny? Why we did not push for a wider national inclusion right after referendum, for instance? If study many similar questions, we may be able to figure out who exactly supports the regime at this moment.

    The interesting point here is: we don’t even know who the stakeholders in keeping the current regime are. We sometimes come up with simple answers as “the small clique”, or” the General” or ” those who have economic interest in the regime”,etc. But we are often surprised to see supporters of the regime from unsuspected corners, including those who are brutally exploited by the regime. So who are the true supporters of the regime? Could they be explained using political, sociological, economic, ethnic, religious..determinant tools? Who are they? We need to look at it and custom tailor our message in order to win them. That’s the sure way of winning.

    As people, we should never again be hoodwinked; Eritrean sacrifices are approximately spread evenly. Eritrea is still alive and it will be quickly rehabilitated; the fear of unknown should not paralyze Eritreans from seeking change (Eritreans deserve a better government than the current one, and they could do better than currently have been doing provided those of us who are lucky to have the means and the space to express our views play it safely).

    I want to take Hayat’s comment free of preconceived notions of who Hayat could be. It doesn’t bother me if she is Eritrean or not for the simple reason that I am a world citizen as much as I am an Eritrean. I continue communicating openly with Ethiopian Awatista as often as I find it interesting and valuable. Therefore, the question of Hayat’s citizenship should not be an issue. The issue at hand should be her ideas. In my previous comment, I said she summarized the flow of events excellently, adding, of course, that she did it in her unique way. I do express similar appreciation with an expanded niceties this time. The fact that Hayat paid respect to the heroes and heroines who have been languishing in PFDJ dug dungeons, the fact that she has delineated the sacrifices of our people from the thieves who have vandalized our legacy makes me give her thumbs up. She is of course, one of our brilliant females I seldom agree with, but my background makes me appreciate strong and assertive women. I always wished she figured out the right tone and discretionary judgement in order to make her solid arguments create additive value to narrowing gaps and contributing aggregating effects on our efforts of finding a common ground rather than being seen as divisive ones. Truth may be truth as long as it satisfies certain conceivable tests and parameters in a period of time. Some truths may not be absolute ones. So many truths have been discarded in history. None of us should be so dogmatic and self assured on what we consider as truth. As the clip SAAY chopped for nitrickay shows, we collectively win only when we listen to each other; when we use languages and manners which could get us a bit confident of and on each others’ company, otherwise, if we stick to what we believe to be the truth without creating a medium for sizing it up and discussing it with opsing views, we won’t get any farther ahead.

    I commend my bad friend Semere on the attention he gave to the risk of armed bands roaming the country. I am of the idea that oppressed people have the right to express their resistance in any way they feel right. There is no way you could say this right or that’s wrong unless you put yourself in their situation. However, I fear spontaneous armed confrontations against the regime will inevitably lead to confrontations between the factions once they are in a situation of defending territories and turfs inside Eritrea. The reason we don’t see internal armed confrontations between the factions is because they are all dependent on Ethiopia for their existence, and Ethiopians won’t allow that in their territory.

    In order to avoid this, the preferred way would be the creation of a united front with a united political program and unified military command. I always think these types of clashes in terms of who is losing and who is winning. Of course the losers are our young EDF members (almost all national service members), the winner will always be the regime, because it supports its propaganda that the nation’s problems are the making of outsiders. This is crucial to understand. A unified front would make a quick job at removing the regime by standing out as an alternative; it would be a center of gravity and a beckon of hope for the fleeing young people and for members of EDF; it would act as a guarantee of post PFDJ transition and what it entails of security issues; the cost would be less, because protracted low intensity insurgency bleeds nations in terms of economy and human resource. I personally prefer non-violent means, but I have no cooked up road map to convince those who argue otherwise.

    In conclusion: The root cause for Eritrea’s current problems is PFDJ. The alternative is the creation of an opposition which is diametrically opposite to PFDJ in all of its manifestations. This will require that the opposition stands up for what’s good for the nation and its people, becomes people-based, acts in a tolerant way and promotes democratic culture and ways of settling conflicts in a way it serves the overall national objectives (dialogue and compromise). An opposition of this stature would signal seriousness in defeating PFDJ and bringing about a national reconciliation and a transition to a democratic and civilian governance.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Mahmuday,

      You wrote, “She is of course, one of our brilliant females I seldom agree with, but
      my background makes me appreciate strong and assertive women.”

      I never knew that not only politically chauviist but also you are a “male chauvinist”.

      Mahmuday (Dad) and Nitriccay (son) chating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6GWsT9ZYU.

      The rest, you just re-inforced your line of thinking.

      Just to remind you, Erirean problem has nothing to do with individual leaders, it is the system they installed up on us. The mindset they built is the biggest problem we are faced with, the PFDJ ideology and the system they installed to rule Eritrea. You are trying to squeeqe Eritrean problems to individuals, but, we are saying, it is the ideology. It is an an ideological war.

      PFDJ members are accountable for what they did but not through their system but after their system.

      Dear Mahmuday, when are you going to come clean from your mindset? Anyhow, I will not give-up on you even in your late ages.

      Last but not least, it is good to understand the means oppressed people can use to be FREE from their oppression.

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        we are telling them thousand times that we have to face the truth. We are telling them for years that individuals may play their part but are shaped by people. we are trying our best to let them be open minded and see within themselves so they can see how such system was created. We are crying day and night for real solution. removing DIA is just like treating dangerous sickness with anti pain which is only a symptom. the problem we have is rooted more than removing one man. the system in Eritrea eats everything including the members. it is against humanity, peace, it is against nature and we need to clean the Idea from the base. some still want to save their face of their old history. What they don’t understand is past is gone and we are still paying the price for not thinking about now. we care about now, now it doesn’t matter who you were. we keep in informing every person has to challenge his own self and join the truth. but with all the intelligence and knowledge they own they are lost, AH Mama Eritrea!!!!

      • Nitricc

        Tes, I thought you said you going to concentrate on your study and said good bye?
        Oh, damit, it kicked in, Bipolar. First of all, leave Mahmuday alone, show some respect to the people who have done something you will never do. You don’t have the discipline to stay away from awate.com, let alone take cheep shots at the people like Mahmuday.
        Just go do your thing whatever it is. But if you get the itch to take a shoot at, do it with me, a grad school of “chauvinistic” hahahaha you are too bright.

        • Kokhob Selam

          don’t try to divide them, remember at least they have one common understanding that change is a must.

          By the way, as one of the young and energetic man you should go right to the filed armed to clean PFDJ..Sorry, it is just a reminder that people have started here around horn and inside Eritrea, Hey, don’t ever talk much about why opposition is toothless as usual, I am not among those who talk and I am proud of being practical, although I am not young like you.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Tes:
        Good luck with your studies. One of your passionate posts I remember was in the summer and it was about nutrition and your vision in the new Eritrea devoid of PFDJ and how you will scientifically help your people. I found it moving. As far as I can rem no one noticed to comment back. I wrote a lengthy reply and as Sal told you so then I think I was high in aqua minerale and I did something and I lost the comment.
        Now, we are in 2015 and please be easy on my friends my MaHmuday and Sal. I see you are very harsh on them lately. Please attack they ideas and thinking to foster the healthy notion that opposing ideas are good for the country but say away from your current usage of “chauvinism” description of both of this men that you have being consistently using against them lately. We have to delineate ourselves from the endangers species(PFDJ supporters) so I our species will triumph by becoming the bearers of truth
        Good luck and do not listen to Nitricc and Hope they are endangered species anyways and you know what they do with endangered species:-)
        Sem

        • Nitricc

          Semere toothless it wasn’t about nutrition. it was about plant intelligence and it was amazing post.
          i wish he can stick in to teaching us rather than going crazy with this “school of chauvinist” bull crap. he over analyses everything. anyway, i think he is studying the dictionary. don’t ask me why.
          he can never be in politics. he demands people to take his sides over night. he change lanes like a drunk driver and he doesn’t know and needs to know what persistence is!
          do you want to know very thing about food and health, wait for my hidmo.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Semere A.,

          I do respect your call & in fact that was what I was promoting before despite our political differences. And I will devote my time in promoting peace through enlightenment. My effort is to clarify things that are blocking us from reaching the level we want though I do believe that the justice seekers camp has gone miles and miles to pursue their goals.

          Just le me quote from Mahmud’s recent response to haile TG. In their converse, Mahmuda wrote, “Could you now give some suggestions on how to form our messages in order to have some “wake up calls” effect.”

          This is their basic motto for their line of thinking. can’t they lead or support the on-going opposition to destroy PFDJ. Why they want to make a check? Why they are trying to tell for those who are struggling, what they are doing is wrong?

          Medrek was established from this line of thinking. Instead of joining the on-going struggle, they formed another group, ‘division”. The reason is, “they didn’t believe on the on-goign struggle”. They preferred to reform PFDJ.

          By the way, the Chauvinist School of thought is not about two people. It is the School of reformers.

          But, first, dear Semere, tell me frankly if I am harsh to them or to their line of thinking?

          Respect is always at the top.

          tes

    • haileTG

      Selamat Mahmuday,

      You’ve dealt with a wide area of issues that can be expanded much farther if taken individually. For now let me deal with one aspect, where you asked “who exactly is regime supporter?”. That is actually a core question, one that needs to be understood clearly. Before, we even ask the question (i.e. Who is the supporter?), we need to be clear about what “support” means. The simplistic assumption is that support is something that characterize the r/nship between th pro-regime/loyalist and the regime. That is not the the whole story however. There are at least the following types of “support”:

      1) Direct support: often expressed by material, facility, technical, ideolgical… support

      2) Intentional support: often including those in #1 and those who do so for ulterior motives

      3) Indirect support: Often including those who act or withdraw an act for their own reasons, and the outcome would help the regime

      4) unintentional support: often including those who engage in mode operand that would help the regime (such as spread false info or declare phantom victories/threats)

      5) Tactical support: Often including those who support the regime as a proxy either to further their interests or undermine their threats

      6) uninformed support: those with barriers to access information regularly and use old information (Ghedli) to extend support (Semi-direct or direct in a sense)

      7) Forced support: often including those who depend on the regime institutions for jobs, travel, permit, trade… or some kind of links with the regime

      8) Selfish support: Often including those who find business, network, social, financial or other benefits or are bonded by marriage or other relationship to the regime.

      In a general sense, we are looking at an act that would help the regime and undermine the Eritrean people once its net is evaluated. From the regime end, what matters is how much support it is able to gather in the end, regardless of how it comes, i.e. SUPPORT = SURVIVAL.

      Hence, your question is not as simple and straight forward as it appears at first sight. The point of United Front you made is however a valid way to approach this complex and highly unstable phase that the state of things seem to be precariously hanging.

      Many other points you raised can also be analyzed in such an expanded and detailed form, identifying the key determinant of each issue taking it in matrix form.

      Regards

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan Haile
        Thank you for the feedback, Could you now give some suggestions on how to form our messages in order to have some “wake up calls” effect. I believe those who have been in the media are failing on getting their message across, and part of it could possibly be due to the lack of knowing the target demography they want to reach. Knowing supporters of the regime could be a starting point. Each group (some of them may have some overlapping subsets) could require specific way of addressing, but there may be a general methodology of drafting exactly what it is that unify all those groups.
        So, thank you for taking the time to give me an interesting reply, but I still need some more; Today is the routine day of milking HTG dry; get us some say when you have time.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Mahmuday,

          Your question regarding media calls for thorough examination of the very subject matter (media) within the context of our struggle as well as the theoretical foundations that govern its form, function and ultimate objectives.

          You talked about “how to form our messages”, about “target demography (otherwise known as audience)”, about “methodology”, about “wake up call effect (something related to how audience use the communication to mediate their actions)”, about “specificity as well as unifying themes”.

          All those points you’ve raised are best addressed by first looking at the fundamental theory that underpin the the formation of an authentic media that is geared towards restoration of its very purpose from that of constructing and reinforcing hegemony (under dictatorship) in to the desired, which is the promotion of democratic and participatory communication among the oppressed masses.

          The purpose of media under dictatorship is to disseminate monolithic messages to sustain hegemony. Such media is alienating by its very nature (hence, neither democratic nor participatory) and in a state of permanent conflict against the interests of the disenfranchised. On the other hand, resistance media serves one, some or all of the following purposes;

          i) It serves as a filter to decode, analyze and counter narrate the monolithic messages from the dictatorship to help people to resist them.

          ii) It serves specific role of popular organization, education and publicizing social, political and economic projects

          iii) It serves as a component part and closely connected to Action Programs

          Now, before taking specific case study material from the existing “opposition media” (let me add “so called”) to examine their perceived standing against the above listed resistance media’s purpose attributes, we need to look at the structural and content aspect of resistance media from the vantage point of democratic and participatory deposition.

          At structural level, the democratic and participatory trend in a given resistance media is essentially the function of who it is owned by. I am talking here at decision making level (not editorial decision rather at directorial level of the overall media operations as a whole), Is it owned by an individual, a group, a community, a faith organization, movement…? The finding here has a direct baring on how much participation there is by the target group (audience) and how democratic that participation really is. In essence, how are the target group represented at the boardroom?

          At content level, the democratic and participatory trend in a given resistance media is best captured through the concept of multiple identity of audience developed by Orozco (1993 and 1994). The concept frames a methodology for capturing audience categories as well as the manner in which the audience mediate the message in the resistance media for their own use. Therefore, a democratic and participatory content level organization would (if authentic) set in motion a dynamic process that continually feeds into itself in a loop that would energize the movement in a manner akin to the way hydraulics produces power. In a nutshell this is the what and why side of what we read and hear in the resistance media.

          We now turn back to our earlier identification of the possible roles served by resistance media in the three categories above. It is understandable that it is not wise to name persons or entities engaged in the resistance media in this discussion. Naturally it would neither be fair to do nor is it within the scope of our discussions here. However, we now have clear assessment tools, as discussed, to assess and reach our own conclusions. By re-visiting the said categories above, however, it is not hard to judge whether the resistance media actually is serving its basic purpose in the first place. In order to cue the discussion, I will give three examples (one for each respectively) to help us assess where we’re at:

          i) IA announced the death of the ratified constitution and plans to write a new one. How was this message decoded, analyzed, interpreted to the masses through the resistance media? Short of it was good, it was bad, it was right or it was wrong, what else was presented? What does the dictatorship media’s announcement mean to the individual member of the oppressed masses here and now? What should the individual learn about his/her condition and prospects from it? How did the resistance media dealt with this? Can you even say there is a media that is doing that very purpose? Re-announcing what has already been announced through the dictatorship media isn’t authentic resistance media. And I am mindful that skill may have a role to play here.

          ii) If you take a snapshot of any of the front pages or radio broadcast of the resistance media, it is about what the regime is doing wrong. That is good and fine, but what about what the oppressed people are doing to resist? What sort of communication ratio be applied to devout coverage to oppression related vs resistance related. Let’s not also forget the democratic and participatory principle that should guide such coverage at both structural and content level. Because, in essence the resistance media is supposed to serve as a medium of communication for the disfranchised by the dictatorship’s alienating media.

          iii) In the case of Dejen and Wed Ali’s wife, we have see close to $75,000 raised (combined) through Assenna. Such happened in a matter of few weeks back to back and is a monumental proof of the real potency of Action Programs where the undertaking is authentic. It is thus not difficult that the resistance media doesn’t actually have credible Action Programs developed through the principle of democratic participation and hence no visible outcomes.

          Conclusion

          In a spirit of candid and frank manner of speech, we neither have “media” nor “resistance media” that can be considered authentic, credible, action oriented and democratic and participatory in content and structure. We need to have a properly set up resistance media before saying it has succeeded or failed us. What we have so far has always been that way, and the devil, in my opinion, was in their lack of authenticity more than anything else as per the fundamental theoretical underpinnings that govern and regulate the process and outcomes of a resistance media.

          Regards

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            Thank you brother. That is indeed an educational one, excellent. Thank you for giving it such an importance and proper attention. I know how much time and energy this stuff takes, but it was worth it. See you in the next milking session.
            Dear AT
            Please give this comment a front page space.
            Dear AT: Thank you for all you are doing. HTG comment reminds me what I SHOULD do to make this website more effective by being more contributing. I appreciate the time and energy you are sacrificing.

          • haileTG

            ሓደርካ ሓው ማሕሙድ፡ ኣንታ እዞም ሰብ መታሕት ጉዳም እባ ኢኹም! ከምዛ ዋና ዘይብላ ላም ከበሳ ሓላሊብካ ከተጥፍኣኒ ኢኻ ሎምዘበን…Haha kidding you bro. Thank you for the kind words and well I think good questions lead good answers, hence you share excellent credit in that too. Regard

  • Hayat Adem

    Guest,
    The text message is mine, the pic was picked by Awate editors. I commented nothing about the picture. If you want to ask my views on the King, just say so and you will get them in a straight talk. If you can’t ask, don’t assume too much

    • Guest

      Don’t worry about the king he passed away long time ago. The question is the picture above or any bigot picture what do you think?

      • Hayat Adem

        I’ll only comment on Awate’s editorial choices when I sense a bothersome fundamental deviation from the principle of fairness, with a bad implication against on the Eritrean struggle at hand and on the aspired and desired fraternity of the two peoples.

  • haileTG

    Selam Awatista,

    here is a digression. The PFDJ issues open threat (photo courtesy of Miriam September).

    • Hope

      haile TH,
      If you do NOT abide by the rules of the EDF,or the Min of Defense,irrespective of the situation,the type of the governemnt, and no matter who is ruling,what would be the consequences.
      Do you know the fate of the US Marines/Army members,who defected or ran way formthe USA?
      They are being hunted own for the last 50 yrs,where ever they might be…
      But the only differecne is ,in your mind/world,the USA is a Democratic Country with elected Leadership(Fake one though)

      • haileTG

        Haha Wed Keren, you confused me there, back up a bit 🙂 So you are saying “The US is undemocratic and we should use this undemocratic system to justify ours which you think is fair because even an unfair syste as USA has done it.” Meaning?…duh:-)

        • Hope

          Hail TG,
          You got it,my man!Have you run out of propaganda,my man?
          On a serious note though,NO, I do NOT believe in the PFDJ/Yemane Ghebreab style of analogy after he exhausted all the excuses and manipulatiobns under the Sun and ” Justifications”(border issue,No War No Peace Status,Sanction,etc..we esh me-esh..) and I challenged him to his face by asking the same question you asked me after he told his audience saying:”We do NOT have to have a Constitution because even Great Britain does NOT have one.
          Next time,be honest when you debate and address the issue on the question…No need of inkililo or eshki’elal.
          In this world,everything is “RELATIVE” ,and I was counter-arguing your lame arguement of the Warning by the Local EDF Office,which is Official,NOT hidden Warning,btw.
          In other wordfs, as Mr. Amanuel Biedemariam challenged legitimately our Opposition and its propaganda machines/websites,if it is a “norm or lawful” to do this and that in the West,why would it be considered unlawful and abnormal when it is done in Eritrea or by the GoE?
          On the same token,using the same premise or arguement,why can’t I challenge you legitimately that if the “Best Democratic and the most stable/peaceful” Nation under the Sun is still chasing its Citizens from Zemene Enini for defecting and running away from their Country/Army just coz those defectors only broke the rule without putting their country’s safety in jeopardy,why can’t Eritrea,apply the same rules and regulations for its BEST interest and to defend itself legitimately,when the nation called Eritrea is at its highest safety risk level or threat(be it perceived or real)?

          • haileTG

            Hi Hope,

            That betrays the hebetudinous life that you’ve rented into in order to spend every passing second of your disgruntled life in the bloodiest manner possible. Is that not true?

          • Hope

            Sir ,
            Just address my question about that particular case scenario without inkililo.
            But am I surprised though after reading your latest support and solidarity with Captain Queshi of the ” UDEF” for its terrorist activity against the Innocent EDF members and for your advice to destroy the Eritrean Economy and the only temporary life line for the Poor Eritreans to survive for now .

          • Hope

            Pt a ? at the end of my question,please!

      • Hope

        Edited:With apology,Mr.Moderator.My ESL Classes have NOT helped well.

        haile TH,
        If you do NOT abide by the rules of the EDF or the Min of Defense,irrespective of the situation,the type of the government, and no matter who is ruling,what would be the consequences???
        Do you know the fate of the US Marines/Army members,who defected or ran way from the USA?
        They are being hunted down for the last 50 yrs,where ever they might be…
        But the only differecne is,in your mind/world,the USA is a Democratic Country with elected Leadership(Fake one though) and should do whatever it wants to do and it should be ok/acceptable….but NOT acceptable in the case of Eritrea though,no matter what,since it is an Oppressive and un-Democratic Regime,even to the extent of depriving Eritrea and its regime from self-defense, thereby to be an easy prey or victim of their enemies??Right Mr haile TH?

    • Nitricc

      Haile do you have to post that piece of info?
      What is the point? Who is the audiance?
      What is the propuse? Like i tell AT you dont have to post everthing that comes in your way. Do you feel me?

      • haileTG

        Hey Nitricc, cut me some slack Jack. I only have some up to date photos from home to post. I don’t have those special family memento old pics to share (like the one you showed off above). That was classic, Nitricc helping is big brother to pick out a wisdom tooth that grew in the wrong side (in place of the front canine). Man! didn’t you guys had med care then? hahah…

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Aron,
    I kind of like your way of saying things and I would like to say few points here in response. It seems we have more commonness than deference. Let me make one point blunt before i go further. Eritrean independence is my reality. If today was 1950s, and if i am with the knowledge I’ve today, my view of this independence crazy empty trophy would’ve been different. But, nonetheless, that view would still have been largely shaped by the price and reward balance sheet inventory.
    In an oversimplified reasoning (here, I’m sounding mechanical for clarity purpose), my thought line on this is as follows: Now that the price have been paid and we are here, I wouldn’t second think the reality of the Eritrean independence as it would mean paying another pointless price to undo it. It is like this: if you decided to move to B because A sucked and you you made a calculated risk that it was much better to pay for the expensive ticket to get there thinking changing A to a favorable condition was not possible or more expensive and staying at A was a non-option and you paid for the expensive travel, and you got where you wanted to be but the difference you dreamed of was not there, don’t be tempted by another stupid miscalculation: consider to pay another price to move back to A. Instead, you need to work smart and hard to change the situation B to your favor. That is where I’m.
    My support of Ethiopia’s invasion of Eritrea was not about undoing the independence at all. I already told you that that is my reality and I don’t want to undo it. But I have practical and pragmatic selfish reasons for wanting the Ethiopians to spend some of their capacity on helping us help ourselves. Again it is about lowering the Eritrean price.
    I don’t want my other friends like Abi and Eyobai to think of me as a mean girl but let me let you in to my mind on this thought, too. This is how my inventory on the Eritrean situation goes. (again oversimplified scenario): Isaias and PFDJ will never loosen their grip of power. How do I know? It is a writing on the wall: what does it tell you when Isaias tells you year in year out about the cruelty of the rest of the world and everyone conspiring against him? He is telling you he will not and can not come in to terms with the world. Eritrea will remain pariah and isolated slipping into darker black market more and more.
    What does it tell you when he is not saying or signalling anything on the EraEro prisoners even after 15yrs, even after they died in the prisons, even after they lost their sight and composure? I don’t know about you but it tells me he decided that their situation is going to end or is already ending that way. Meaning, they are dying there and all of them will die there, and this regime dreams to sit it out and get away with it.
    What does it tell you when the boss bragged about the exclusivity of PFDJ and everyone else entertaining other options should rocket herself to the moon? It tells me PFDJ has no comparability and capacity to seek and consume help from other Eritreans. That means others have to wait.
    In the animal world, lions feed and gracefully leave leftover to the hyenas, and then vultures come and clean everything. If the lions overstay, the hyenas are not helpless and nature gave them something good enough to bother off the lions. Eritreas case is not even about eating turns, it is about saving it.
    Well, endless patience and waiting could have been an option if the cost was not the nation itself. if you glorify the ghedli journey, price and vending (we converge here except that I don’t glorify or worship it, I calculate it and i don’t want any of it again), then that is what you are losing unless Eritrea’s history ending at Shimelba is one of your things.
    If Issu is not loosening, and the status quo is that grave, the very near future of Eritrea might be that of a civil war, a possible prospect of another nightmarish price to be paid. That is how and when I’m forced to look around for help, and my call of the help is about outsourcing Eritrea’s burden and sharing the capacity and the price with those who can and might want to remove the monster. Honestly, it makes more sense to me for my friends like Abi to oppose my view than Eritreans as it means dragging Ethiopia to a crisis. Remember, Ethiopia can afford to sit and wait as is now. Of course, they should be worry about their security in the event Eritrea slides into a civil war, something they can prevent by acting now.
    Frankly, however crazy and untimely it looks, I believe I can argue this case in a more sensible way purely from Eritrea’s point of view, even bringing in some data and more pointer analysis to support my position. But there is one guy who is growing hero in my hear who advised me not to push this idea, and I’m respecting this man a lot lately and i’m heeding him and would like to leave it here.
    Hayat

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Hayat,
      .
      I wish Nittric, SAAY and others in that camp were right about you. They said that you favor Ethiopia over Eritrea. I would have welcomed it with open arms. However, your push to get Ethiopia to pay unknown price in blood and treasure tells me different. This idea from some Eritreans has slowly crept to this level worries me greatly. I have said it before to Pappillion ( Where is she? I hope she is not in Addis lobbying some Gov. officials) and I will say it to you that it borders on insanity for Ethiopia to get involved militarily in Eritrea.
      .
      One reason given as justification is it might cost Ethiopia more if there is a destabilized Eritrea. That may or may not be true. We have survived Somalia and the U.N is involved to put it back on track.
      .
      You have seen it on this friendly website how Ethiopia is being vilified for assisting some opposition groups meetings in Ethiopia.
      Ethiopia’s direct involvement means that all the unpredictable future negative results will be attributed to Ethiopia. That is more likely than not in any case.
      The likely high cost in blood and treasure to be paid even before we stand up on own feet is too much to ask. The only time Ethiopia should consider involvement is thru IGAD, AU and U.N and never alone.
      .
      I hope our current leaders are far sighted, mature blessed with good judgment to protect and look for Ethiopia’s interest first and foremost.
      .
      Respectfully,
      .
      K.H

      • Nitricc

        Kim, the TPLF cadre, i know, i am allergic to you but let me knock some sense in to you. here it is let me break it for you.
        the whole idea and plan of your beloved TPLF is how to control Eritrea through a servant Eritreans. those Eritreans are hand selected and handsomely paid. so, in order the chosen once to get to power, PIA must go. but PIA must go through violence and unrest. that is the only way the TPLF hand picked servant Eritreans could come to power and serve TPLF interest. there for TPLF has to send paid agents to distribute, agitate and preach psychological war through out the Eritrean community. this is the very reason Hayat, always talk about Ethiopia invading Eritrea. about civil war in Eritrea. about how the ignorant TPLF are saints. about how Eritrea is a filed state but TPLF led Ethiopia is the next China. what ever she writes there is a point to it. have you ever read in any of her post about solving the conflict around the table peacefully? I didn’t.
        have you ever read in any of her post about TPLF to give badime for the sake of peace and up-hold what they agree and sign for? never. it is always Eritrea’s fault and it is always about Ethiopia invading Eritrea and about civil in Eritrea. the reason is that is the only way her masters can hold Eritrea through their servants.
        finally I agree with you, it will be the stupidest thing to do for Ethiopia to involve in Eritrea. if you want to unite and bring back Eritreans together, go ahead listen to Hayat and invade.

  • Hayat Adem

    Guest,
    It is the first time I am mentioned with a group hating Ethiopia. How am I using hate on Ethiopia to my own advantage? And how is my advantage defined anyway?

  • Saleh Johar

    Dear Guest, something I do not apologize for is my hate (yes, my hate) of Haile Sellasie and Isaias. The two of them took the best from the life of Eritreans who are still paying for the crimes of the old tyrant which are perpetuated by the current tyrant. It is good we have some breath left to express our pain. Live with it dear. Get used to it.

    • Guest

      Haile sellasie died before I even borne 40 something years ago why him unless it is about religion or you need it to sustain the hate?there is mengstu still alive Who committed a lot of crimes in eri and ethio..

    • Guest

      That kind of picture is not acceptable by any measurement

      • Saleh Johar

        Guest, you forgot to put the proclamation date and number. Not acceptable by who, again?

  • Semere Andom

    Eritrea is in the brink of collapse. Dreams shattered. Lives cut short. Pessimism supplanted the very optimism that supported the armed struggle to succeed. Agony replaced the protracted jubilation and euphoria that seemed to last for eternity. The often quoted line of “This struggle is waged so the new generation will have better lives than ours.” has long been forgotten when a bunch of hooligans took hold of that once promising cudgel. The humble, the egalitarian, the caring, the truthful were replaced by the arrogant, selfish and cruel PFDJ. The beckon was extinguished. The long anticipated home coming was deferred indefinitely first and then the exodus commenced. But our exodus unlike of the Jews, which was for the creation of the nation, ours seems to be for the disintegration of the nation. Our exodus cannot stop the see and Eritrean drowned and our Pharos survived as they latched onto our corpuses.
    The doom and gloom are too many to count. But let us try to clear the debris, the fog and confusion that this predicament has cluttered our mind with and try instead to see if there is opportunity.
    Many of us has dubbed our current state of affairs as a collective colossal failure, but if after PFDJ is destroyed by whatever reason and on its rubble we failed to create a genuinely democratic government that presides over a tolerant, uncompromising on the rights of its citizens, then our collective colossal failure will be entrenched forever and will be one of the world’s intractable societal problems. If there is one takeaway message during this turbulent days it should be this: to believe that opposing and clashing ideas are good for the country and its posterity. If we entertain this idea and believe is devotedly then we have done well for ourselves and good for our country. The opportunity of our national crisis is the lessons of free speech, respecting differences of opinions that are best for our society that we must learn.
    Think of it this way: the difference between the debaters that go on the diaspora and violent past of our armed struggle is the existence of guns. Young people had polarizing opinions during the Ghedli and they had guns. When the debates got heated and the blood boiled, they shot at each other and the result is haunting us to this day and I shudder to fathom that curse go to generation. Now think of if it, if the debaters of the opposing ideas were given guns and assembled in a physical location would they kill each other, or would they be tolerant. Nurturing tolerance, believing in free speech and working to establish the ideals of freedom on the rubbles of PFDJ must take roots in mediums like this. Our hosts have been exemplary not to shy away from the controversy and the embrace of ideas that is critical to them. This is a reason for us to hope and for “Hope” to hop. It takes two to tango is a tired cliché but it will take more than the AT to make another tired cliché a reality in our reality, that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    • Hope

      Ahh,Cousin Sem,
      Is this the “Satirist” Sem or Sem,the Columunist?Either way,LOVE it!
      I quote the Columunist Sem:
      “Think of it this way: the difference between the debaters that go on the diaspora and violent past of our armed struggle is the existence of guns. Young people had polarizing opinions during the Ghedli and they had guns. When the debates got heated and the blood boiled, they shot at each other and the result is haunting us to this day and I shudder to fathom that curse go to generation. Now think of if it, if the debaters of the opposing ideas were given guns and assembled in a physical location would they kill each other, or would they be tolerant. Nurturing tolerance, believing in free speech and working to establish the ideals of freedom on the rubbles of PFDJ must take roots in mediums like this. Our hosts have been exemplary not to shy away from the controversy and the embrace of ideas that is critical to them. This is a reason for us to hope and for “Hope” to hop. It takes two to tango is a tired cliché but it will take more than the AT to make another tired cliché a reality in our reality, that there is light at the end of the tunnel.”
      Yeah,I would love to hop as much as I would like,irrespective of who I am,no matter how dumb and incoherent I might sound.
      But the Team/and few people here,who /which claim to be the Champions of Democarcy,HumanRights and Freedom of Speech–labeled me as such–as Bipolar,Confused,Incoherent,Liar,etc—simply coz I asked questions at my own level and not being at their level.Huh?What do you call this kind of business?
      Political and Intellectual Opportunism or Bankruptsy and/or Hypocrisy?
      Thanks for exposing the Truth,Mr.”Satirist”/Columunist!

  • Nitricc

    Aron let me take you this way; do you think i feel degraded or insulted if some one has to adress me like, Nitricc from Sahil, Nitricc from Barka, Nitricc from filfil solomuna? NO! It will be the greatest compliment ever. Now, please why do you find lt out dedebit to be offensive?

    I

  • Fnote Selam

    Hi,

    This is so Hayat, exceedingly brilliant but always incomplete.

    Best,

    FS

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Fnote Selam,

      No body is complete at everything. But she exceeds in articulating her view brilliantly. Very few to match her in this forum. One of our genius.
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Fnote Selam

        Hi Amanuel,

        May I add ‘incomplete by design’…

        FS.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Fnote,
          I was at peace with your first comment because that is true but this latter one got into my skin a bit. Incomplete by design means, controlled or consciously holding back. What, how and most importantly why am I holding back? Could you say more on this if you can or will?

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            In hind sight, I may have spoken too strong too early. Nevertheless, I have noticed that sometimes you are reluctant to answer some important questions that people (including myself) asked you. I understand, it is hard to respond to every possible comment, but I think you could do better. Again, I am not speaking of to your character here, you may as well have very good reasons to comment on certain things. It is just when I see you enlighten us on certain aspects, I wish you could do same things in other aspects as well. For example, I really hope you could discuss the pros and cons (especially the cons) of Ethiopia’s role (that if I am not mistake, you highly advocate) in getting rid off IA and his junta. There are examples as well, but let see what happens with this first.

            But, I want to finish by apologizing for sounding judgmental on my part….

            Thank you,

            FS

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks finote,
            No apology is necessary among thought-friends and there was no offense madeat all that warrants apology.
            But on the point raised, I kind of revisited it in my reply to Aron below or above if you can be kind enough to read me there. If that is enough, drop me your email so that I share my thoughts with you, as detailed as possible.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            I just read your reply to Aron. It address one part of the the questions I asked, i.e., why we need Ethiopia’s help. I have to say you make very compelling case and I agree with you on that to certain extent. The second part of my questions was what are the cons of Ethiopia’s involvement especially to the degree you advocate. And I am not asking here to portray Ethiopia as a negative player in Eri’s case, but rather honest discussion of the potential side effects of Ethiopia’s involvement in Eritrea and ways we can attenuate those side effects will go a long way to convince people the strategy (i.e., asking for Ethiopia’s help) could be the best option we have.

            I am counting on you ability (which is so admired by me and others on this forum) to give nuanced analysis of issues that affect Eri and Ethio.

            Thank you for your time in advance!

            FS.

          • Hope

            Wait,FN,
            So,you do NOT believe that Ethiopia or the TPLF has played a negative role in Eritrean business?
            Please clarify so as to put a follow up comment.
            Side effects? Or direct effects?
            Why are you afraid to call a spade,a spade?
            Truth should be told as is,not partially as there is NO partial truth.
            You are dealing:
            -With Hayat,a person,who belittled or turned down the horrors of the deportation of more than 80,000 Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eri origin.
            -With Hayat,who has advocated and endorsed the Invasion of Eritrea by TPLF,with full knowledge of its collateral damages and the unkown consequences ,including the Somalization or Balkanization of Eritrea.

          • Hope

            Thanks Fnote Selam for reading mind.
            Hayat Adem could have done a Superb Job based on her potential if she were honest,balanced,fair and a bit more Truthful.
            To be judgementsl based on reason and circumstantial evidence is only fair and reasonable.
            It is upto Hayat to sell herself and her ideas in a ” sellable” way.

          • Crocus

            Dear Fnote:

            I enjoyed reading comments generated by Hayat’s candid article. As I read these comments, I thought of sharing how I read the field. I see Ethiopia’s potential involvement in Eritrea in two ways. One scenario is likely to happen in the short-term. The other scenario marinates over the long-term. Ethiopia may not have a choice regarding events that will come to a head inside Eritrea in the short term, as it may not be able to control the degree and the speed with which Eritrea’s internal security deteriorates and affects its own. In contrast, Ethiopia will have absolute control on the timetable of engaging Eritrea’s future in the long run. Understanding the picture of the short-term and the long-term affords a conceptual framework for digesting the course of Eritrea’s situation going forward.

            It is important to grasp the underlying real politik. Ethiopia is in the picture not because it is looking for an opportunity to meddle in Eritrea’s internal politics, but because, as next-door neighbor, circumstances leave it no other choice. In the short-run, events are likely to “draw” Ethiopia into Eritrea, no matter how much Ethiopia resists the prospect of being drawn in. Without having to weigh on the merits, suppose that an uncontrollable civil unrest begins inside Eritrea and gets out of hand. Suppose also a stalemate sets in: the Eritrean government is incapable of resolving the unrest, or reigning it in within a reasonable time. The longer the stalemate continues, order breaks down and the nation teeters on the brink of a precipice. Two developments will occur. First, a large number of Eritrea’s population will take to flight, as people resolve to cross borders looking for safety and
            survival. Ethiopia will not continue to look at the sudden influx of tens or hundreds of thousands of refugees into its territory dispassionately. A massive refugee crisis may draw a reluctant Ethiopia into Eritrea. Second, under the worst scenario, the situation inside Eritrea degenerates to a point where atrocity claims incalculable civilian casualty. The outcry from the world would be deafening, and nations would be pressed to act to stop the hemorrhaging. Again, much as it chooses not to, Ethiopia will be pressured to act. At the very least it will be forced to allow its territory as a springboard for an opposition bent on overthrowing the tyrannical regime. In the alternative, it may be compelled to step into Eritrea itself.

            Precedents for such developments are fresh in the minds of people as we speak. Somalis and Syria have gone through it. Neighbors have been drawn into these lands for predictable reasons.

            Over the long run, whether Ethiopia decides to play its hand with regard to Eritrea is not as subject to the vagaries of circumstances. Ethiopia will have absolute control on its options. It will not face a tormenting push to do something urgent. It may even decide to do nothing at all with no wisp of harm to itself. This relates to interactions in the economic and diplomatic arena, both of which are more valuable to Eritrea than to Ethiopia. This too is real politic, just the way the cards are stacked up.

            Eritreans can continue to wax as sinister as they want to. But, the burden is on them to responsibly and cautiously tread the field and negotiate events that are likely to unfold in the short run, and engage events in the long run. Spouting pints of venom has no wing or prayer. Political maturity requires sober reflection, foresight and pragmatism, not self-indulgence and blatant selfishness. “Aprés moi le deluge” or “ine kemotku serdo aybqel” is the highest badge of selfishness. (I sense indifference in many comments.) Incidentally, HaileTG dubbed the Eritrean national temperament “meanness”. I always read it as a sinister impulse. It is not flattering at all.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Crocus,

            I appreciate your take to the issue. That definitely added another dimension to my understanding of possible scenarios in Eri’s future and interaction with Ethio.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            If you have the time and if you still interested in the conversation, I am all ears.

            Thank you in advance,

            FS

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks FS,
            Conversation is great and I’m so glad to have gotten your attention. Would you be kind enough to guide me around what specific issue you would like me to converse?
            Hayat

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            I was hoping you would discuss (or give us your insight) what could go wrong (even theoretical) with Ethiopia’s involvement (to the degree you advocate) and how we can prepare for it.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Hayat Adem

            FS,
            I like engaging with people like you out of selfish motive because I know how that kind of engagement helps keep oneself learning and even readying for a bigger purpose. I still strongly believe in the viability of my thoughts about the need of Ethiopia’s help to solve the problem we have at hand. And I was preparing myself to engage on the 2nd part of your earlier question, i.e., the implementation scenarios, the possible risks, the risk minimization strategies etc.
            But as you noticed, the objections from both sides are enormous that there seems no minimum appetite for such options from both sides. In fact, Haile seemed to have sensed and predicted that exactly but I was dragged to it despite his many cautionary notes. I might have made a little progress in making sense around it but the overall taste is objection from both sides.
            That is okay but the unnoticed damage I might have made is crowding out Haile’s lethal resource supplies to the forum. I’m not saying this for the sake of niciety and I’ve never been known for that, and I say, better 10 Hayats get crowded out than the one great Haile. Notice how we’ve repulsed him out of the discussion lately? That makes me feel uncool because we are not great enough to fill his shoes.
            In short, I’ve winded-out promoting the Ethiopian factor in weeding out PFDJ for now and I suggest you and I continue meeting on other issues.
            Hayat, with respect.

          • Fnote Selam

            Thanks Hayat!

            A little bit Isaiasque kind of answer, but I appreciate it that you took time to discuss with me.

            Best wishes,

            FS.

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes, you would say that because you are a very smart person. I can also see you were enjoying me in the open and cold corridor receiving cold rejections one after the other from both isles. But we can continue discussing it privately should that be your wish. My email is hayatadem87@gmail.com. I’ll know your interest in that if you initiate.
            Hayat

        • haileTG

          Dear FS,

          ..and is that mean or kind? …is it giving or taking?… is it adding or reducing?… is it building or shattering?

          Let’s stay on the straight and narrow, for we are walking the valleys of the shadows of death as a nation bro.

          Regards

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Haile,

            You obviously have deeper understanding of the Eritrean psyche than me, but I will still resist (at least for the time being) the notion that we (Eritreans) are uniquely mean or not giving….

            Thank you,

            FS.

    • Nitricc

      FS, can you define “Brilliant” for me, please? Help me out here.
      thank you.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Awatestaff,
    .
    I wish I didn’t look closely at the picture, but I just did.
    The picture of Emperor Haile Selassie watering a marijuana plant sometime ago was, I thought, mean cheap shots you guys engage in when you run out of things to talk about.
    .
    The above picture of this article is so ironic and speaks volumes of the photo shoppers.
    I wish I can draw pictures and do photo shop in the caliber of the awatestaff.
    .
    My picture would have been of Mr. Johar himself. I would have dressed him up with a Rasta hair do, enjoying weed with his Ras Tefferian colleagues of his neighborhood, in a smoke filled room. Mr. Johar winks to the camera.
    The caption would simply read as “beabatem Abesha beenatem Abesha, ene gn enja” an identity crisis.
    .
    If my picture and the above picture were displayed side by side the thick irony will be virtually identical.
    .
    Have a good day.
    .
    K.H

    • Saleh Johar

      Haha Kim,
      It is obvious that placing the bloodsucking Janhoi anywhere below his “godly level” distresses you; please recognize that revering him (or should I say Him) distresses many of his victims.

      I can tell that image distressed you so much you have to lash at me, why?

      See dear Kim, you would not accept me as Habesha at all. You would rather deny me my identity for your own known reasons. Janhoi would not accept me as Habesha for reasons you and I know very well–and that is why we say he was a bigot of the first order. And as if stripping me of my Habesha identity is not enough, you diagnose me as having “identity crisis.” Isn’t that what all bigots and tyrants do: push people out of their country and then call them “exiles”! The crisis is in your head my friend; stripping people of their natural identity is the worst crisis one can have. Even then, I will not consider it identity crisis on your side, but fascism, racism, or better, something that starts with a B and ends with a Y. Take it easy buddy:-)

      • Fetima Dechasa

        Mr. Saleh,

        The fact that you even try to defend this nonsensical picture and lash out at Kim Hana speaks volumes of you as an individual. This is also the reason why I smirk at anyone (especially my fellow Ethiopians) who remotely think of you or your views remotely balanced.

        Awekesh awekesh seluat mesehaf atebech aleu.

        • Nitricc

          What is it with you Ethiopians? I feel sorry for you people. Egerything is out to get you. No,you are not that important. Chill out. It is a picture of your worthless dead king. Why are all up in Arms?

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Nitricc,

            I’m not sure how old you are but I often feel entirely too old to read or reply to your comments. For this reason alone, I respectful opt-out from engaging you.

            Thank you!

          • Nitricc

            who cares? you are sounding like I am asking you to marry me or something like that. it is an open forum and we are having a discussion. what does age has to do with anything? anyway, do what you got to do, frankly i don’t give a rut azz. just you know.

          • Rahwa T

            “…you are sounding like I am asking you to marry me…”. alQerebihm! sintegna mist litadergat tasb yihon?

        • Saleh Johar

          See Fetima?
          I just gave the two version of how people view the king. Didn’t state a view about the image, you just imagined that. I replied to Kim questioning my identity. Why does that annoy you?

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Saleh,

            I was speaking from my general observation of your reaction to our previous leaders, especially H.I.M. Haile Selassie. You are welcome to disagree but I see right through it.

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes Fetima, indeed we can both see right through our positions but you dont need to dearch deep, the surface and core of my view towards “our previous feudal rulers”: I abhor and detest them. And I do not apologize for that.

            What puzzles me is that some Ethiopians as if they have sole ownership of the old history while I believe, though an Eritrean, that the history is mine as well. No one has the right to take that away from my history. I suggest you see our discussion of history as what it was when it was being played, before it became history, and not through the prism of the people of the region, and not through modern prism of Eritrea and Ethiopia as they stand today.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,
            Your second paragraph argument is an “original argument” against those who do not understand the evolvements of “nations and identities” – in the dynamic world we live in. That is a good nail to uphold the facts.
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Semere Andom

            What amazes me the most about some Ethiopians is the following:
            Because they had it good under the brutal king those who suffered under his cruel crimes must canonize and worship him. Insensitive. Irresponsible and selfish.
            Also the denial of some Ethiopians of the crimes of Mengisitu, nay it is worse than denial. They tell us Mengistu was better then TPLF because he did not discriminate when he unleashed his heinous crimes during the red terror.
            But these Ethiopians have partners in Eritreans. Some Eritrean do not go Eritrea, they go to Asmara, no they do dot go to Asmara, they go the Asmara airport then go to Gaza Banbda or Tira-Vello. Actually no, it is worse. They visit their house via the airport and via their Gezawti. They see the money they send to their family paid off, their villa is still there, their siblings go to school, they eat, the dress well, they entertain. They dally with gils half their ages, they drink and dance. Life is good. Nabra sidet nabra aykonen. To them “Adi tsubuk alo”. Adi is their own house hold. These two groups are cut from the same garment and they are in every society. I think what amazes me is that we are amazed and shocked by them. They are everywhere, they were in Ghedli, in the mass organization in the opposition

        • Peace!

          Mr. Fatima,

          Just to let you know you are defending a person who demonized the entire ethnic Oromos; in fact, he is the one who came up with $&@¥ Na Segera Yadere Y’shetal. Sorry no offense.

          Regards

          • Amde

            Ato Peace,

            And you know this for a fact how? Were you there passing the paper and ink? Holding the microphone? Taking notes?

            Amde

          • Peace!

            Ato Amde,

            Damn right it is a @&$£¥€* disgrace.

            Peace

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Amde,

            They hate all Ethiopian emperors, except one, and guess who (?). Of course he was not an emperor.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Rahwa,
            Do you mean except emperor Issayas with no crown from the people. Am I right? I think you are afraid to say it. We are fighting to dethrone him. Can’t you admit at least that.

          • Hope

            Excuse me,Sir?Can your ead the pic?
            He equally pictured both Emperors and he clarified it openly..The only regret and reservation that I have is for excluding Col Menghistu and the Flip-Flopper PMMZ,who equally messed up when it comes to Eritrea.

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Peace,

            With all do respect, please keep your ethnic baiting nonsense to yourself, I’m not interested in the least bit. Do not insult my intelligent by implying that you know something about my people. You have no permission or proper knowledge to narrate our history.

            You seem to have mistaken me for a naive, ethnocentric tool that’s ready and willing to be utilized as a proxy for your own twisted agenda. No thanks.

            There is absolutely nothing you or your fellow Eritreans can say or do to enlighten us. My pride in my country and her history isn’t up for debate, which includes my utmost respect for H.I.M. Haile Selassie I. You don’t like it? That is your problem but please try with a bigger bait next time, perhaps you will catch a fish.

          • Abinet

            Gifti
            These days the fish are much smarter to fall for any kind of bait.

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Akam akam Abi,

            They still try nonetheless.

          • Peace!

            Hi Fetima

            My intension was to help you understand the extent of pain Eritreans feel every time the Emperor’s name mentioned, but instead you exposed yourself that you live in such a state of utter hypocrisy. I could careless how much you respect the emperor, but don’t try to defend him as if he didn’t commit genocide against innocent Oromos. And please there is no proper knowledge requirement to expose the genocide committed by Minilik, Yohannes, and Hailesselassie against Oromos, it is all in history books. Only hypocrite heartless people like you deny the reality which is that no matter you stop believing in it doesn’t go away. So next time you deal with such heinous crime, don’t worry about you intelligence just use your heart and move on into healing challenge.

            This website is doing good job in attracting Ethiopians, but it is sad that the Ethiopians we have here are PFDJ version of EPRDF. Where are the pro justice Ethiopians? GOODNESS!

            peace!

          • Fetima Dechasa

            Peace,

            Sorry, did I offend you by not taking your bait? My apologies.

            Moving forward, you should worry less and less about Ethiopia(ns) and more about your own. An Eritrean talking about Oromo struggle is utterly laughable. It’s funny because your masked pretense for a proxy ally is so played. Didn’t the Egyptians perfected this tactic long ago? As the Amarigna saying goes, ደሀ ሆኖ ደሀ ማገባት፣ በገደል ላይ አክሮባት መስራት ነው። Anyone that falls for these sort of baits pretty much deserve to fall off literally and figuratively. If anything, Eritrea is a cautionary tale.

            So far as your version of my history is concerned, I shall take your advice. I must enroll and learn the most accurate Ethiopian history lesson offered at the University of Cairo that only you elites Eritreans are privy to.

            Last but not least, a fallacious sinister calling me a hypocrite is a compliment I do not deserve. Thank you!

            PS all these acronyms you listed have no meaning to me.

          • Abinet

            Gifti
            You don’t go to Cairo to learn ethiopian history. You go to Cairo to learn eritrean history and while you are there they will tell you that you are different and better than the rest of ethiopia , etc,etc . Finally they arm you and tell you to kill your ” brothers” in ethiopia.
            The rest is history.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Mr. Johar,
        .
        You like doling out these racist, bigots etc. words rather lavishly it seems. You might have learned (living in U.S for a long time) the possible effects of using these words on the white Americans.
        They are quick to pull out their wallet to negotiate about the content, as soon as they are accused as racist. In case you don’t know , these words do not have the same effect from one Abesha to another. I recommend you look for other terms to whatever you are trying to impart. (BTW: Abeshaness is not something to be given or taken away, it is what it is.)
        .
        I see you didn’t like or appreciate the caption. I should have left the picture only to mitigate your picture.
        .
        You know what, those two pictures side by side say the same thing, nonsense.
        .
        K.H

        • Saleh Johar

          yeah, you are right only I didn’t live in America as long as assume, and I do not like to use those words but you playing a therapist on identity warrants the reaction. Sorry if it hurt you, but please understand it is not fun specific Habesha questioning your identity because of me being you-know-what 🙂

          As for cartoon subject, I have been depicted in worse topics, take your liberty. It is just my new year resolution, to respond in kind for provocations I am sick and tired of. Imagine going through that for years and years–the skin wears thin at times.

          Apologies and cheers

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mr. Johar,
            .
            I hope you read Amde’s post somewhere around here. Sorry about the picture I drew of you, I had a little chuckle about it though, but was not appropriate.
            .
            Sincerely
            .
            K.H

        • Hope

          Dear Kim and Amde:
          It is so sad to argue and counter-argue about the past.
          But It is ONLY fair to appreciate the past and learn from it so as to appreciate Today and Tomorrow.
          Remember thought the unforgettable memories of the Tselam Senbet of Barka and that of Una and Besikdira.
          Since you were not involved, it is unfair to say ” Yegoda Biresa Yetegoda Ayresam ”
          For the sake of honesty,one would expect you guys to understand where Saleh Johar is coming from and you should sympathize with him and ask for forgiveness on behalf of Janhoy and his cronies,rather than taking a defensive route.
          Coz Truth is Trith,no matter what.
          But,with all due respect though,can we change the Topic?
          Yes to:Regional Reconciliation and Economic Integration.

          • Guest

            One thing everybody have to know is this mostly fabricated hate hurt by far eritrea then ethiopia and it will reamen to do so in the future. By the way Tselam Senbet was committed by commandos Eritreans

          • Hope

            Guest,
            Are U serious?Under whose Command and why?
            What about the Semhar and Hamasien massacre?
            Fabricated?
            Did I get U right?
            If so,I regret to tell U that you should be the FABRICATED one!Or a new Born?

          • Abinet

            regional cooperation and economic integration with our neighbors is happening as we speak . I don’t know what you are talking about. Tell me if we have to do it differently .
            Cousin Hope, are you in addis already?

          • Hope

            Abi,,
            Selectively though so as to hurt Eritrea.HUH? Eat it up toyourself.
            The signs of theTIME are coming up that Eritrea will outshine and PREVAIL…Watch as we speak…
            I am done with my under-cover Tour of ethiopia but I had to sneak into the Sudan through Humera/Gonder so as to evade Rahwit and her Security Colleagues at the Bole Airport.
            I enjoyed it beyond expression.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hope,
            .
            Thanks Hope, it appears we both are good at giving advice to each other on the same subject. Everything is o.k. I just posted a response to a Hayat post’s, somewhere around here. I think you will approve.
            .
            K.H

          • Hope

            Thanks,Uncle.
            I will count on you and on Dr Fanti Ghana.

    • Amde

      Hi Kim,

      I have long ago decided that on the topic of Emperor HaileSellasie, the otherwise commendable Saleh the Elder loses his shirt for no discernible rational reason. Objectively speaking, more Eritreans were victims during the Derg and EPLF regimes. The only thing I can think of is that he personally witnessed some of the counterinsurgency action and atrocities during HaileSellasie’s reign, which was rather severe in the lowlands, and by the way, was also enthusiastically also executed by many Eritrean highlanders. I have never read or seen anything resembling it from Saleh the Younger. This photoshop is completely gratuitous and off-topic, but serves some cathartic need not so obvious to the rest of us.

      Amde

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Amde.
        .
        You are gracious. you are right. I have never been in his shoes. Life is unfair all around anyway and I shouldn’t go testa to testa at my age. We are all the same breed you know, I have that giliftenganet too. It needs to be controlled.
        Thanks,
        K.H

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Amde, you remark made me laugh. I needed it. In fact I lose more than my shirt, I can’t help it though. Please understand that I don’t do it to annoy anyone, it is sort of a reflex reaction sometimes even triggered by trivial memories.

        • Abinet

          Selam Ato Saleh
          As an activist, writer, motivational speaker, elder, with a large visitors to your website from both countries , what is your justification or what kind of massage are you sending by putting that picture?

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Abonet,
            Thank you for the direct question which I am replying to in the spirit it was posed:
            1. I don’t see any difference between all tyrants in Ethiopia and Eritrea.

            2. I do not yield to pressures to let go of my position towards Isaias because his supporters vilify and Atrack me relentlessly. The same applies to the rest of tyrants and pressure that comes in their defense.

            3. People suffered under the king, they deposed him. They suffered from Derg, they deposed it. I believed in the struggle against the tyrants and I have no regrets for my humble role in the dtruggle

          • Abinet

            Ato Saleh
            Thanks for your time.
            My problem is is two fold.
            1 it came from you . If it was from Nitricc , I might even laugh as I do sometimes . But from a ” Gomtu ” like SGJ , with a lot of people looking upto you, it sends a wrong signal as if it is ok to promote hate.
            2 The less informed , and brainwashed eritrean can easily associate the king and ethiopia as one and the same . It is open for interpretation . The same goes to an ethiopian . Trust me for a lot of ethiopians IA and eritrea are the same. We have witnessed you ( not Saleh) worship him.
            I advise you to avoid ambiguity in some sensitive things.
            Yene neger ” lij leEnatwa miT astemarech” adereghut.
            Yeqenyeley .
            PS
            I really don’t know if there is any difference b/n the derg and the king’s constitution regarding eritrea. I like to know.

          • Hope

            hmmmm,I like that Abi.But I was NOT sure SJ generalized or said Ethiopia other than naming Janhoy,unless I missed it.
            Now,I ask you to relay that golden message to your Ethios too as they,you included,specially Guest,have done worse in generalizing Eri people as this and that; and that is the source of more hatred.
            Do you agree?
            If so, habba,habba.(SJohar will translate that for you).
            I miss Dr Fanti Ghana,the Peace Noble Prize Candidiate of 2014.
            BTW,my apology for my interjection–that is me.

          • Shum

            Hello Abinet,
            I hope you don’t mind me joining the convo. I thought the reason why there is a picture of Isaias and Haile Sellasie and not Mengistu was obvious. The topic is a Constitution of Eritrea being trampled by a tyrant. This is not the first time for Eritreans. It happened during Haile Sellasie’s reign, not Mengistu. Take a look at this link and you’ll see where that picture came from. If you have some time, read the linke below and maybe it will give you some context.

            http://www.ehrea.org/1952.php

          • Abinet

            Shum
            Thanks for the link . I promise to read it .

      • Shum

        Hello Amde,

        You, Kim and Fetima have jumped the gun. I think you guys think we’re motivated by irrational hate for all things Ethiopian or “fill in the blank person or person”. Check out my reply to Abinet on the link below and you’ll see why this picture of Haile Sellasie was used and how it relates to the story of the Constitution of Eritrea. It happens and we react like all humans. We don’t make this shit up.

        http://awate.com/never-were-never-will-be-bedfellows/#comment-1795186588

        • Amde

          Hello Shum,

          Thank you for the link. There was interesting information there.

          In all honesty, HaileSellassie was a man who spent his life modernizing his country ruling under a centralized monarchic system. The Eritrea political entity that was federated with Ethiopia had the trappings of a liberal multi-party democracy. The two models were fundamentally incompatible, and in retrospect (to my eyes at least) it was an experiment that was doomed to fail, even if there were pro-federation forces on both sides of the border.

          Still, it is easy to blame HaileSellasie, conveniently sidestepping the enthusiastic support of many Eritreans for the abrogation of the federation (yes – I have read of how every Eritrean legislator and official was forced under duress to sign away the federation but that sounds rather self-serving to me).

          I used the phrase “trappings of a liberal multi-party system” specifically because the resistance that was spawned did not really fight for the supposed values of the federation era constitutional order. ELF and EPLF were and continue to be revolutionary forces who have been shown to have contemptuously discarded the federation era Eritrean political system. This speaks to how shallowly these “values” were held by the elites and the society at large.

          The main point though is that abrogation of the federation and elimination of constitutional rule are two different things. The end of the federation brought Eritreans under the Ethiopian constitution. Compared to modern notions of what constitutes a constitution, perhaps the Ethiopian constitution of the time would have anachronistic elements, but still there was an established constitutionally documented order. Ethiopia’s constitutions under HaileSellasie were put in place by HaileSellasie despite the bitter protests of the conservative clergy and nobility. On that score HaileSellasie was a progressive. Please remember he came to power as regent in the middle of WW1 (1916),
          at a time when Monarchy was the default system of government the world
          over.

          As the years go by, HaileSellasie is looking better and better. Issayas strangled a still-born Eritrean constitution. HaileSellasie was a constitution giver twice over when he really did not have to. HaileSellasie made it possible for many Eritreans to flourish within Ethiopia and abroad. On the other hand, it is well accepted as not being science fiction that the Issayas regime literally profits by selling pounds of Eritrean flesh.

          That is why there is no objective comparison between Issayas and HaileSellasie, even on the topic of constitutional rule. This photoshop stands as what Ato Saleh himself admitted – a bizarre reflexive emotional reaction not supported by the facts.

          Amde

          • Shum

            Hello Amde,

            I will reply to this in full later on. But you’re still missing the point. I think the main reason is because you have a nicely packaged understanding of Haile Sellasie. You have that right to regard him as a good king for Ethiopia, but when you talk about how Eritreans flourished under him, there is so much you leave out, that I wonder if you know even 10% of Eritrean history or Tigrayan history for that matter. Try telling that to the people of Tigray and Eritrea. But, here’s what I don’t get about Ethiopians on this forum, wasn’t he overthrown by Ethiopians and weren’t there other coup attempts. You wouldn’t know it by reading this forum, but surely there are Ethiopians who are not in favor of him. Can’t you understand why Eritreans wouldn’t? Or do you guys see your political leaders as representing Ethiopia and Ethiopians? That’s no different then the people we’re in opposition to on this website. These are just public officials with a track record. We can love them or hate them, but they don’t represent any of us.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Nitrickay! Nitrickay!

    Wo Nitrickay! if you are in the struggle of justice, here is an advice to our young generation who are in the fight against PFDJ system. You were surprised by the recent military action around Tamarat/Adibarat by our youth. In the link below, particularly you will read “ነብሰ ምክልኻል ጎነጽ ኣይኮነን” – a very important in the current struggle. while I recommend you to read the whole piece, the message I wanted you to absorb is, the message in the quoted subtitle of the essay. You peers are struggling to free the nation that is going to be handed over to your generation. Senay MeAlti Yegberelka.

    http://assenna.com/%E1%88%88%E1%8B%8D%E1%8C%A2-%E1%8A%AB%E1%89%A0%E1%8B%AD-%E1%8A%AB%E1%89%A5-%E1%8B%88%E1%8C%BB%E1%8A%A2-%E1%8B%93%E1%8B%B2-%E1%8A%AB%E1%89%A5-%E1%8B%8D%E1%88%BD%E1%8C%A2-%E1%8B%93%E1%8B%B2/

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • AMAN

      Dear Amanuel H.
      It was not and is not about whether but in what form and reality is Eritrea passed to the its
      next generation. It is inevitable and unquestionable that Eritrea will always pass to its next
      generations from previous generations. But how and in waht for should or it is passing and
      has to pass is the main issue here.
      Is it passing in its present scenario or in its 1991-1997 scenario ?
      Thankyou
      AMAN

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Aman,

        You just need to follow the desire and the instinct of our young generation. The advice of the author of the piece is spot on. I don’t know from which generation you are, but if you don’t understand the message of the writer, come back with questions after you read it. The questions must be pertinent to the article.
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • AMAN

          Dear Amanuel H.
          political choices of one people do not superimpose and rise above Nationhood !
          =============================================================
          History of people and country is dialectical in nature and in social science.
          No matter what from which generation I am or to which generation I belong
          I always inherit from my predessesor generation the identies and values of
          my people and nation in a dialectical manner; because if I didn’t do so one
          day one way or the other I will come to search for it. But political choices can
          be made and undertaken at any moment as long as they are in agreement
          with the needs,identities and histories and values of the people but they will
          be a source of lasting problem if they antagonize that.
          This was/is the missing ingridient in the last struggle of 20 plus years.
          That is also the problem in our neighboring Tigray where all their past history
          is taken and replaced by woyane/TPLF new campaign history which is putting
          them in antagonism with the greater part of Ethiopia. (That is re-ordering of
          ordered society). So even if you mentioned the wishes and desires of the new
          generation it is not something new and theirs it has been the choice of our grand
          fathers too which they lost it because of the same mistake we are witnessing today.
          That is they didn’t hold control of their affairs and destiny but rather let it go and
          controlled by unfolding events beyond their control and were forced to be taken
          to the direction of the wind against their path.
          Therefore, these new generation ust assert its hold and control of the destiny of
          their people and country according to what we collectively achieved at great sacrifice
          rather than accepting the compromised form of it in a new negating reality of it.
          So the line of negotiation must be strictly based on our 30 years of bitter struggle
          and success for durable and lasting peace and justice to prevail. Hence making it
          clear to you and other readers that it doesn’t matter at all which generation I am from.
          All generations of the Eritrean people have common destiny and common dream that
          trancends generations to live as one people of one country today and tommorow and
          forever.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Aman,

            You miss the whole point of the link. But Identity evolves with time and circumstances. Society do not always continue with what they got from their predecessors. They are always dictated by changes around them as human beings are interconnected and influenced each other. You could read about nationalism and Identity in litrature you will find a tremendous eveolvement. I have written about How Eritrean Nationalism and Eritrean evolved. You could google it , if you want to understand me what I am saying. By the way it matters a lot if you are from the young generation and the transfer of the torch is ready for them.
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • haileTG

    Hi Guest,

    I believe that all the meanness and evilness suffocating our good nation comes from the regime. I will give you some evidences:

    1) Go to regime supported websites and feel the extreme stench of evil they exchange and indulge on.

    2) Eritrean people are normally welcome and integrate well in many countries far and near. The Eritrean regime is quarantined like a plague by the world over.

    3) Read every single tragic news about Eritrea, the regime and supporters NEVER show sympathy. From lampedusa to now we heard: defectors, thieves, x-box hunters…to describe tragedies.

    All Eritreans have to talk about now is dead people, sinking people, shot people, killed people, sanctions, war, disaster… Eritreans must show caurage to confront this evil and end the havoc it is raising all over. This evil has taken over everything that once was good about Eritrea and turned it in to a horrible state. We must know that we need to stop the evil ways. Eritrea is the only African country that disownes its citizens, refuses them burial, refuse to mourn its dead children. Such evil is now messing up the next generation. This evil is sourced from the regime. All forces must be deployed to put down this evil force, else Eritreans will pay till their final demise.

    Regards

  • Nitricc

    It amazes me some people’s reasoning. I used the word Dedebit to describe her pride,where she belonges, it is an insult on the people of tigray. Yet, when the Dedebit grad, disrespects, degreds and slaps the eritrean people right on thier face, you have no proplem with it? Right? With due respect i don’t like hypocites.

  • T..T.

    Pre-drafting and implementing the dead constitution, there were EPLF, PFDJ and Eritrean assembly. The sole focus of the Eritrean people on the implementation of constitution gave Isayas a chance to kill the then existing bodies of EPLF, PFDJ and Eritrean assembly. Finally, as a destructive narcissist he eliminated EPLF and the Eritrean assembly as well as neutralized PFDJ and pigeonholed (set aside) the constitution.

    As part of his bipolar disorder, Isayas can also be a reparative narcissist. Under his reparative disorder,
    Isayas’s grandiosity may make him behave like a king of kings (i.e. king of his mafia groups) in granting a brand new constitution to his subjects (the Eritrean people) as a gift and not as their basic rights. And as a gift, the granted constitution can be taken back any time like he did before.

    • haileTG

      Hi T..T.,

      That is the greatest pick pocketing technique. The people were told to grab hold of this “constitution and NA” and robbed bare naked while waiting for it to be “implemented”. The typical thieve and ewala IA is, he just told us to forget about it because it was a stunt put up for distraction of the gullible anyway. Poor people are let reeling from of the sense of someone stealing their pants right out of their legs 🙂

      • T..T.

        haileTG,

        Let me add, I think it is every Eritrean asked-question to know in what capacity did Isayas kill the approved constitution and in what capacity he wanted to replace it.

        What Isayas missing is that the prospects for constitutionalism of the killed, until such time there is a replacement, depends on the perception of the people. If Isayas meant by replacement: introducing amendments through fine-tuning of the killed one in
        order to come up with a newly born constitution, the fine-tuners are only the
        representatives of the people (the parliament) and not him. But the question is: where is the parliament?

        Indeed, the sources of changes in the constitution are the practices of the people. And, the constitutionalism of the would-be-framed constitution cannot take root if the people are not convinced about the dynamics of the proposed constitutional change. The reason for contention will be that the killed constitution will remain to be referred to as the people’s constitution and the replacement constitution as Isayas’s constitution.

  • haileTG

    Selam Awatista,

    On the issue at hand and what is wrong in the way we despense as Eritreans is somewhat we are cought up in a state of “meanness”. We really are a nation who give absolutly Nothing. We let tegadelti go uncompensated, we stole from the youth their lives and dignities, we are stealing from the next generations by abandoning their interests. Charity is only a political instrument, we are mean people in real sense. Even Djeubuti has many fold more refugees than Eritrea. The few Somali who came to Eritrea were secluded in the hot and inhospitable place between Massawa and Assab. Short of the criminals and murderers the regime invites, thre are are no people in the world that would turn for anything from us. We take from Sudan, Ethiopia, S. Sudan, the Mid East, the west and you name it. We are a taking nation. Extremely allergic to giving, never value kindness and love of humanity. I am sure such has never been true Eritrean culture accross its diverse people. How many people feel this overwhelming meanness that define us collectively. If you look at individual Eritreans, no doubt that we are as kind, friendly, sharing and what have you type of people like any other. However, our collective attribute is rather uncool. When a country runs out of friends and sympathisers, it normally means its national image is hostile and unkind. Can we say this is PFDJ inspired or has been lurking in us before hand?

    Regards

    Don’t be mean:-)

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Haile,

      I understand the frustration, but take it easy, Eritreans (individually or collectively) are not more mean than any other group of people.

      Keep the spirit up bro!

      FS.

      • haileTG

        Hey Fnote Selam (I like the nick by the way:)

        I sure admit to the frustration charges. But trust me we score the least in the “giving index”. We do engage in spontaneous generosity as individuals, but our collective image is far behind. Even look at the regime, after having left with nothing more to “take away” from the people, its last call is to try to take away their very identity! When we stop to give, we stop to live. Life is meant for giving Fnote buddy. Look our diaspora setting as communities and facilities for example, we have none for we give none. Many other diaspora group would compare far better. As a nation, we’ve become takers. What or to whom does Eritrea give anything? By assuming meanness, we ended up with having the least of all in almost everything. It could be because of current problems and the people lacking responsible, guiding and nurturing moral leaders. But even our religious centers (I can say churches) are seen not to value giving except taking. If we are going to reconstruct our lost faith on each other, the meanness face of our collective must change into kindness. There is not much problem in individual but our collective dynamics is very mean indeed. Could be the long war, the poverty, lack of experience/exposure or something else, but collectively we don’t score in real sense, just empty bravado. I would admit this has been exacerbated with the problems of the last 15 years. To your surprise, there are debaters here who believe “not giving a comment” serves some sort of purpose. We once had big hoopla here for giving even likes (heck yeah just a freaking like). Giving is a natural tendency, that means at psychological, material, moral, emotional and humanitarian levels. The regime we have is a major POLLUTANT however, creating the vast of our moral decay.

        Regards

  • haileTG

    Dear At,

    Great to see this piece by Hayat holding prominent place that it deserves. Hayat has rare gift in clarity and comprehensiveness of her arguments that she presents masterfully and effortlessly. Despite, incessant character assasinations from PFDJista and their coopts, she stood her ground and never been seen returning in kind but only in class and style. Go girl 🙂

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hailat,

      You are of the same creed and the same gifted, to masterfully express the value you stood for. I am proud of both of you.
      Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hope

      Dear haileTH,
      —-Coz she appeased you by putting issues in the way you would like to see things?
      The question here is NOT about clarity,proficiency,articulation,intelligence,etc—BUT:
      -about Honesty,truthfullness,balancing facts,fairness,etc….
      If she were able to include those parameters,then that would be completeness. and Fnote Selam et al would be happy as well.

  • Tzigereda

    Awatistas,
    Gizie haziratni ala, but untill I come back I will hear the song that came in my mind after I read this article ” zebenya girmbit may niAqeb tekal ewanu..”!

    • Hayat Adem

      Tzigereda,
      You couldn’t even wait until you get time to disapprove me? Well, my bad luck!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam All,

        I can’t imagine how sis Tzigereda will react. Even the song she intend to hear before she respond will not give me any hint. Any sort of mind reading can help us to prepare for it. But I do believe our women are more wiser than us men. I can’t rule out possible differences between Hayat and Tsigereda. Where is Dr. Sarah Ogbay by the way? I like her intellectual input.

        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Kokhob Selam

          I am in the same trouble. That wonderful women said she is gong to hear ” zebenya girmbit may niAqeb tekal ewanu..”! I face dangerous moment with my mind. what is that? I send a massage to all sisters and mothers “Hey, I am sensitive, take care of your stand for truth” Lol , heart attack may fallow. it is good she didn’t post against Hayata’s stand so far, I have got time to prepare my self. me’antakha shet abilka mstebay eyu!!.

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Selam Amanuel hawey, I am right here, reading and learning more.
          However, if you want to know what I think about Hayat’s idea — we, the people cannot be blamed for not listening to the opposition. Almost every other family, if not every family, has a ‘tegaday’ , a long lost son, daughter, brother sister, father, mother, uncle, aunt etc. So we, the people were playing family while EPLFcadres were playing dirty politics. Trust and hope are the two main fuels to the human soul. We had them. We trusted the tegadelty who were telling all sort of superman stories of Issaias and themselves. We hoped that they would still be our vanguards and trustworthy heroes forever. We were betrayed and our hope was dashed. But I do not think we committed a sin of ‘not listening’ to the opposition.

          The ‘opposition’ however does not seem to have a physical existence. Well, at least for me. I
          have never seen any opposition leader or party leader coming out and say ‘Follow me and I will lead you to freedom and this is my program and my vision for the nation’s future’. I don’t even think we all know the names of all the party leaders. It would not be unfair if we call them obstacles instead of leaders as we have not seen them leading anything or anyone to victory; not even their respective parties. We do not know how many members the parties have. I have just learned
          that many have 3-4 members. What a joke. We talk and worry about unity of opposition? What unity? Do we know their differences in the first place? If these parties have leaders then they should come out and show themselves. Opposing a system is not a part time job and it should never be because it puts the lives of many innocent people at risk. Opposition should be solid; members should know who and what they are signing in for.

          At the moment though, the opposition is like a malicious ghost! From paltalk to websites, nothing seems real. every one has a face musk. No one is hold responsible for their words and actions. I am not criticizing any of these means of communication. They do have merits. They show the needs and give the taste/heart beat of the grassroots. But do the parties use them? No! If it is because of political immaturity, then we have a big problem in our hands. But if it is arrogance, then we have a bigger problem- They resemble our enemy- dictatorship. At the moment they are holding the Eritrean people and Eritrean cause hostage.

          I will conclude my comment by saying who in the opposition was talking when we were not listening
          in the first place? What were they saying?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sara:
            Happy New Year. It took Emma to grace us with you.:-)
            For sure, we, the people should not be blamed for the dishonest PFDJ, but the point is have we learned our lessons. The opposition to their credited have alarmed us on the tell-tale signs of despotism that is EPLF was exhibiting during the early years of Independence, as early as 1992. One of the memorable ones were by the late, Seyoum O, A peer of DIA and one of the founding fathers of our revolution his words were prophetic, conciliatory devoid of any revenge.What did we, the people do? ridiculed him insensitive of his sacrifices and with arrogance and pride that matched that of the Lucifer So we should not shoulder everything, but we were consenting participant and we have to tell that to ourselves or be told. Yes we needed to be deferential, respectful to the tegadality, our own very kin and kith worthy of their sacrifices, but we should have not better the signs were not that subtle, we played along. Then we repeated the same mistakes over and over again at every opportunity. It was not the first mistakes but the accumulation of repeated mistakes that we are paying for

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Selam semere,
            Happy new year to you and your loved ones too Semere hawey,
            Your points of our mistakes are well taken depending on the circumstances of the time. But did we do it deliberately? I do understand that the ridiculing and the blaming culture the EPLF instilled in the society. But I would say technology did not help the opposition at that time. What I am trying to say is Were/Are there opposition partied with leaders ready to lead us, the people? Or are they looking only for power and position? Our respect for tegadelty was so much so that were were deaf to all the signals the cadres were giving us. Respect has always been there. But now, we have started asking questions, meaning we have learned from our mistakes. We have started doubting the genuinity of the tegadelty when they stopped being what we imagined them to be and started kicking mothers of martyrs from houses, when they put their leaders in holes stood guards there,when they raped our sisters and daughters on national service, when they started trafficking our young and selling them to Arabs etc. We can not deny this! Are we talking about all tegadelty? no. I am talking those who used every opportunity they can find to harm us. But then I can not say the rest of them are innocent as I have not seen them in power? My point is that initially we lured into a trap. The liberation was a first experience to us.
            But now I think we have learned from our mistakes. What we need is organizing ourselves meticulously and being dedicated to to cause. What is killing us, I think , is the desire for power on one side and the arrogance and selfishness of most youth in the opposition compounded with the fear and mistrust instilled in us by the fiend system.

          • Nitricc

            Thank you Dr. Sara for your honest comment. the oppositions have no idea, no plans and they are at loss why the people are not following them. Yes, we need change but i got to know who the hell the oppositions are? what their plans and political programs are? long time ago i told SAAY, let the house burn and he objected my relaying a ” no it is our house, man!” when an opposition political program and an idea for change is Hope, Prayer and TPLF managed one, let me say it one more time; there is no opposition in Eritrea.
            thank you for the truth, this days to say the truth it takes courage.

          • Saleh Johar

            C’mon Nitricc and others, don’t be that lazy. If you really want to know there are members of organizations in every city. The opposition is not good at providing information but you are also no good at finding out on your own. I will give you a lead and you do the rest:

            If you go to the links page of awate.com, at the bottom of the frontpage, you will find links to websites of many opposition entities. Start there but don’t be frustrated if some websites are dead, or not updated regularly, or it is not in a language you understand. But it is a good start….

          • Nitricc

            SG, trust me i am looking. and i will take your lead and give it a try. if i wasn’t in the situations where i am right now, i promise you, i would take the bull by the horn and set the Eritrean diaspora on fire. but from where i am, I can’t do anything but get frustrated. i got a bigger fish to fry and i got to do what i got to do.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Dr. Sarah,

            I can see your frustration on the opposition camp. Who doesn’t by the way. We have fragmented oppositions, not based on differences of ideas, but on mistrust-based-grievances. There is deep mistrust among our social groups – very deep sometimes to the extent, they couldn’t converse each other. You could notice it in their meeting very easily. You are right, that most of the public doesn’t know them on the ground, tackling the hot political-issue of the day or addressing all kinds of tragedies, our people facing day in and day out. Second, you are also right that half of the organizations that exist in the political landscape of Eritrea, can not be defined as organizations. They don’t have enough membership to function as organization. However there are few with recognizable membership drive and defined organizational structure. Those organizations clearly lack matured leadership who could address the real grievances of our society. To your surprise some of the organizations always boycott or walkout from meetings because they loose the driving seat of the leadership.

            So what can be done to change the political environment I have explained? Here is what I summon to our intellectuals in the academia and professional world, to join and contribute in shaping and restructuring the politics of our resistance against the regime in Asmara. I saw a little light here and there, starting to facilitate in bringing the political organizations and civic organizations to a round-table-conference to discuss their differences on the one hand and suggesting a working paper on the other. The missing link so far is, the role of our intellectuals in the current struggle. We can complain about our resistance force, but complaining is not enough. We have to contribute in the know how areas and fill the gap they have failed for. I look forward to talk with you pertinent in these areas of concerns.

            Last but not least, I am glad you are following the debate. But I would like you to involve more often, for your input is indispensable in the current discourse.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Hayat A.,

        You did one of the best justice I have ever read here at awate.com to our fight in toppling PFDJ through your synthesized .Eritrean political outlook. You are superbe! Hilarious you are.

        I am away from awate forum but I came here now to appreciate your noble piece. Your rebuttal to the Sal’s School of Thought is magnifique. Don’t be suprised if Tzigereda comes from the already decaying school of thought (school of Reformers) though I need to scrutinize her previous comments to filter her line of thinking.

        But one thing I am sure about, “you will not no more be a victim of the Chauvinist School of Thought.” This school has dragged the opposition camp tremendously being camouflaged by the so called opposition stream. Equally like the YG school of thought (The Opposrtunists – Opportunism), the Sal’s School of thought (Chauvinists – Chauvinism) did a tremendeous crime on justice seekers. We can not be fooled now any more.

        It is for obvious reason when the Chauvinist School of Thought fought bitterly with the School of Opportunists and chased them out. They did great n that regard. But now, they can not turn their pen to chase the “True Justice Seekers Camp” who want an absolute removal of PFDJ-System, the Weeders.

        The Sal’s School of Thought will try to blackmail your line of thought with that of YG though it is not. I can my testimony that your take is absolutely different. For this, I take you in different line of thinkers, the thinkers occupied by FEAR and are in search of Almighty/Manna, to get rid of the dictatorial regime.” It is from this line that you are calling Ethiopian Intervention.

        Just a brotherly advice, “Be not conquered by FEAR”. I remember how you reminded me when I openly called the Sal’s School of thought, “naïve people”. On the same take, I see you now in your response to Tzigereda. Take note first Hayatom, Hayet habtey.

        Hawki
        tes

        • Kokhob Selam

          ናይ ብርሃን ተስፋ : ድምጽኻ ኣይተሓባእ !!

          መቸም ሸተት መተት ናይ ገለ ንፉዓት ሰባት የሰንብድ እዩ :: እዋእ : ኣይበሎ እምበር ጽገሬዳ እንተጠውሊጋ እንታይ ክብሃል ኮይኑ :: የግዳስ ተስፋ ከይቆረጽካ ብርሃን ኩነልና ተስፋ ሓወይ ::

          • Hope

            Come on Kokhobay.
            Be fair,reasonable,balanced and more smart than Tes.
            Give him some constructive feedback as well,with all due respect ,Sir.
            Appeasement alone is NOT the best compliment…and fair feedback.

        • Hope

          Buy I thought you told us that Hayat Adem belongs to the School of YG,which you refuted mercilessly?
          Ted,R U alright man?
          Stick to your studies brother.
          Good luck.

          • Hope

            Why are these smart phones messing up my English?
            Please read Buy as: :”BTW” and ted as Tes.

          • Rahwa T

            Kemey dyen
            ezen axab’Etikha? Do you have too big fingers? I doubt the problem is because
            of your fingers, I think it goes higher up to the top.

          • Hope

            Hahah,
            Is that Psychology 101 from Mekele Univ?
            I beat you up and your upper part by evading thru your Security Apparatus at the Bole Airport.
            How about that?

  • SenaiErtrawi

    I would appreciate if anyone could answer this simple question for me: Is Hayat Eritrean or Ethiopian?

    • Hayat Adem

      Senai,
      If Hayat is the answer, what’s the question?

      • SenaiErtrawi

        Hayat,
        I had to ask others because I knew you wouldn’t answer the question 🙂 Shouldn’t you be proud of you identity though?

        • Hayat Adem

          Senai,
          What made you think I’m I not? You must be a very careless person or a risk-addicted person to come to me in this way.

          • SenaiErtrawi

            Hayat,
            You seem to be offended, and I am sorry about that – didn’t mean to offend you. I will answer and continue this if you promise to leave your emotions aside.

            I don’t want you to get me wrong here, I love Ethiopia and Ethiopians. All I am saying is, we should leave each other alone in our internal national affairs. The principle of non-interference in national affairs, Period!

          • Nitricc

            That is a thing Hayat, you think you are fooling people; only the once want to be fooled.
            I have told you even why you choose the nick name Hayat Adem is not a secret. It is well designed to create confusion, chaos and perplexity among Eritrean’s internal affair. How long have you been praying civil war in Eritrea? How long have you preaching for the start of the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea? Who wishes war? Who dreams Civil war; you! Why? Because that is the plan designed your handlers. So, when sensible Eritreans like Senai, stand up to your deceit don’t get all that upset, we your game.

    • Kokhob Selam

      in both cases Hayat means life, and she got the title Life. after all we are souls from one life.

    • Saleh Johar

      SenaiEritrwai,

      What if Hayat turns out to be:

      1) A dual Eritrea/Ethiopian citizen, or
      2) An Eritrean, or
      3) An Ethiopian, or
      4) An Eritrea-Ethiopia-American, or (replace American with any other citizenship to expand the list)

      How would that affect your judgement or your perception, if that is why you are asking?

      • Nitricc

        SG you are missing the point. No one gives a hoot where she is ftom;she can be from Guatemala, who cares but if she going to disrespect my people and my country, i got to know who i am dealing with. And she is nothing but a piad TPLF. Agent. As mush as you opposed and dispise the PFDJ i am sure you find your self on their side. When was she said positive about Eritrea and negative thing about the Weyane thugs?
        What we are saying no one gives a rut azz about her and we are saying is not in our name.

        • Saleh Johar

          Nope, I am not missing your point Nitricc. I just wanted to know the significance–and as I predicted, someone came with yet another combination: married to an Ethiopia, etc, etc.

          You have view and a challenge, that is your right. But I am not fond of argument that are racist in nature–see, minutes ago Kim Hanna stripped me of my Habesha identity and I don’t want you to fall into the racist trap of bigots. That is all Nitricc.

          • SenaiErtrawi

            SG,
            Correction here – please call this nationalist not racist. If we are talking about race, the Tigrigna and Amhara people of Ethiopia are more of my race than the Kunama, Hdarib, Rashaida peoples of Eritrea. I don’t know why a man of your caliber misses the essence of my argument: non-interference in our internal national affairs.

      • SenaiErtrawi

        I don’t have a problem taking what she writes for what it is, but I just don’t understand some Ethiopians obsessing with Eritrean forums. I would appreciate if they could stay out of our internal affairs.

        The only Eritreans that hang out at Ethiopian forums discussing Ethiopian problems are PFDJ sycophants with a dream of disintegrating Ethiopia and I am sure there are TPLF cyber warriors who want to keep Eritreans in the mess we are in.

    • Gherhi Libu

      The best I could think of Hayat are she is half Eritrean and married to an Ethiopian.

      • hayat adem

        Dear Gherhi,
        Can share with me how you get at this theory? This is out of curiosity and not intended to confirm or dismiss what has been said by you above.
        Hayat

        • Nitricc

          Hahaha stop it there only one dedebit grad. Lol

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear AT & Awate staff,

    Surely, Hayat’s comment deserve the front page of awate.com. I appreciate you for doing that. In fact there were many Hayat’s comment worthy of awate’s front page, but never made it. Hayat has the ability to integrate a series of events in to a precise story that are palpable by the Eritrean minds, who have low appetite for reading. Her short essays are spoon feed that no one could miss the taste of their messages. A rare gifted writer we all proud of her. Saay was the first who recognize her debate skills early on before anyone else though they are on bad terms currently.

    Hayatom, in the words of Voltaire, I will defend to the death your rights to say even if I disagree with you. There is no an absolute truth but relative truth in all purposes of understanding the nature of truth. Your debate is full of senses centered on the interest of our people and peace to our region. Keep up tirelessly, and surely you will see the outstanding dividend of it.
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hayat Adem

      Emma,
      That was so sweet of you. That is how principles govern the behavior of men and women, and not the other-way.
      Hayat

  • Hope

    Kokhobay,
    Who denied those facts,btw?
    Most of us or all of us have lived them.
    We R cursing ourselves for doing nothing despite knowing the Truth.
    My reservation with Hayat is that she has not shown us the same gut and courage about the other side of the Coin,I.e.she told us that the TPLF is free and innocent ,when in fact,it has contributed equally to our mess.

    • Kokhob Selam

      It is good you agree First on those facts . now lets concentrate on that as that is that is the main factor.

      • Hope

        OK Kokhob Selam,
        Since you are a “Rarity” and/or Unique by all standard as your name depicts,I will follow suit/you and your advice is well respected.
        Since my principle is to call a spade a spade,I up-voted for Hayat for her “merciless and brutal” expression of our sad situation.
        My Mahmouday said so,as well!
        As a follow up,I would expect Ms Hayat Adem,to come up with a more balanced approach for our solutions,considering all fcators!

        • Kokhob Selam

          Hope, I always had and have hope. I have seen you in positive side since ever except for one thing, you don’t accept that external factors are mostly the result of internal maters.

          History has shown us that people create their own leadership. you don’t find a man born as dictator. it is the people around him who shape the dictator, they may not make it purposely, but as Arabs say it “AL GANUN MA YAHMI ALMOGEFELIN” for what ever reason you do, you get what you produce. yes, it doesn’t mater if the leadership comes by democratic system or through one military force that always remains the result of our thinking. Again, you can’t solve this type of problem by blaming one man or by blaming others, it is by changing your way of thinking that you can change the result (PFDJ).

          the question of the day is no more if we have the dictator or not, nor is if the dictator is the result of “Weyane” but how should we challenge the selfish ego which is in most of us and go clean the dictator. all other stories like blaming and calming others is meaningless I think brother Hope.

  • Kokhob Selam

    I Just feel you are me, I wonder if there is a single person who deny the truth you put clearly. All my respect Hayta.

    • Hayat Adem

      Thanks my man. I am glad and thankful Awate.com picked my comment and gave it a better place. I wish I had cleaned it a bit for you guys but it is the message that matters and it there, and each day we are connecting more to each other like you said.
      Hayat

      • Nitricc

        Hayat it is a perfect time to ask for a rise.
        For the job well done. And i am glad awate.com helped. You see they are good people.

        • Hayat Adem

          Yes, they are. Are you? This narcissist aka isaias is against all generations and everyone but he is worse on the youth, your generation and your dreams. The story i told you about showing up to a door in the neighborhood of DereuE immediately after he detained the G-15 is true. As a truth teller, you need to act as one, and stand with the justice seekers. You shouldn’t allow yourself to stand with a narcissist.
          Another true story for the truth teller: This happened either in 1994 04 early 1995. And it happened on the outskirts of Messawa when coming from Asmara; in a very stylish cozy pub. This bub was owned, and run by a young expat who moved from Europe, the Netherlands as an investor to Eritrea. he opened this pub and everyone one who happened to visit the area must have noticed this special place even from outside. Isaias loved it too and he happened to be a visitor of the place twice. The first time he was there, the owner was not inside and he didn’t meet him but he was told about the young owner. The Emperor like the place and expressed his impression to the staff who served him drinks and promised to return whenever he is nearby.
          As promised Isaias showed up again after months. Now the young owner was there and introduced himself as nicely as he could and started talking how humbled he he was by the visit of the President, twice at that…
          Isaias’ face suddenly and upon seeing this young man, turned pale and frown and he utterly couldn’t stand the presence of the owner, and Isiais being Isaias was not even trying to be diplomatic around it. He just dismissed him and told him to move out of his sight immediately. The guy in total shock and fear, tried to move away shivering like anything, but still clueless as to what he did to offend the Emperor and consequently invited that kind of humiliation..

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            Well, Hayat, since there is no video evidence of this incident, I am left with my own more likely interpretation. Perhaps, what transpired might be along the line of a simple question by the President (he has to acknowledge the elephant in the room) in Amharic, no less “Mendnew negeru”. The owner might have responded that he was the follower of the Ras Tefferian faith.
            .
            Hayat Adem, unless you were really close, within an earshot of the exchange, I have to give the benefit of doubt to the President. He has to respond to this kind of provocation of sight and verbal assault.
            I am surprised he stayed long enough to finish his drinks, and confirm the hair cut.
            .
            I always thought you were a fair person, but under the circumstances, you did not give the President a fair hearing in this case, IN MY OPINION.
            .
            K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Good to talk to you, Kim,
            We have a unique President who can’t stand a sight provocation from his host in a house he happened to be a guest. The guy indeed survived the event and he made it back to Europe. he would have been in Eritrea expanding his business everywhere in the main towns, helping the hospitality industry and employing many young Eritreans in the process for the last 20 years.
            Hayat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Nitrikay,

          Hayat is our own the same as Nitrikay. She was misunderstood by you and like you for so long. I am glad you understood her this time and gave her an accolade of “job well done”. Another point to be reminded Nitrikay is, if she doesn’t respect awatistas, she will not waste her time in this website. She is a respectful person with a sense to give everything to our people any thing that is at her disposal. That is how she is. I hope you will see her as your sister – real sister devoted justice seeker for our people.

          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Aman i know you are obssesed with her and i can see how you can miss understand me. When i say job well done is i was referring the Weyane should recognize her effert and reward her accordingly. She is a piad TPLF agent who is haired to paint rossy images to TPLF and anything ugly of the Eritrean government.
            No Eritrean dead or alive will say
            “With out TPLF, the Eritrean independence will Never matterliezed”
            So, you can belief what you want but find me one article opposed TPLF and supports the Eritrean government?
            One?
            I just don’t want you to miss understand me. She here with agenda.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrikay,

            Whether Eritrean independence will be materialized or not is different issue. But the truth of the matter is – both organizations (EPLF and TPLF) fought side by side and bleed together against ELF organization and the Derg regime. Both sacrificed for their common goal inside Eritrea as well as inside Ethiopia. Those are the facts that matters for history. As a matter of fact, at least, the strategic alliance against Derg was correct politically and militarily from a strategical point of view against common enemy. ELF and EPLF shouldn’t be enemy to each other. Unless it was power driven enmity, they were for the the same purpose to liberate Eritrea. So there wasn’t need of foreign force for collaboration to dominate the political landscape of Eritrea, at the cost of many innocent Eritreans. History will remember it as such. It was done to satiate Issayas’s urge of power, and continue to take its toll on our youth to preserve that power. If you don’t understand that, God forbid, I don’t think you will understand in your life time.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Asmerome

            Dear Amanuel
            I admire your patience with Nitricc he is good in foul language I don’t think he has the will to understand and learn the history of our liberation struggle
            Asmerome

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Bitsay Asmerom,

            My motto is, never give up. I will keep to hammer it to stick even to those who have obtuse mind. I don’t have any option but to continue engaging them.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            That is nice. isn’t it? saving the life of people and attracting them to the right side is the job of great people. If all follow the same style (I mean all) a lot of life could have been saved.