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Isaias-Saudi-UAE Alliance: Tails Trying to Wag the World

This is an Eritrean perspective, but probably it reflects the views of all victims alike. And Eritrea is ruled by a ruthless tyrant and complacent neighbors. Now regional countries are conspiring against Eritreans. That is more than a double whammy, it’s quintet interest arrayed against the interest of Eritreans.

Isaias Afwerki, the Eritrean president, has been in power since 1977 when the EPLF, the precursor of the PFDJ, the current Eritrean ruling party, was a liberation organization. Using a multitude of Machiavellian tactics, he still dominates Eritrean politics, and rules the country with an iron fist, driving the youth out of their country to become refugees all over the world, and pushing the country further into the abyss. At this moment, Eritrea is at a crossroads, in a volatile situation, and is haphazardly heading towards the unknown.

Isaias Afwerki and His Gambles

Since 1991 when Eritrean territories were fully liberated, the ruling party adhered to the diplomacy of brinkmanship. It clashed with all its neighbors, planted seeds of discord among Eritrean social components, and immersed the country in an environment of mistrust never seen in its history.

Isaias has established a close friendship with Gadaffi of Libya until the latter was overthrown. He has ignited a devastating war with Ethiopia that cost the two sides over 100,00 lives, and severe instability that is still disrupting life in the country. In addition, he has clashed with Djibouti twice, once with Yemen, and twice with Sudan—under his leadership, the country has become like a powder keg.

In a less violent situation, he once heralded a war of words with the Saudi ruling family, when his newspapers called them  “Turkish bastards”; he sponsored the Al-Shabab terrorist group making Eritrea a target of the world; he hosted armed groups to effect regime change in Ethiopia; he hosted and trained Sudanese rebel groups (from the South and North) to influence political developments in the region. He is still pursuing irresponsible regional diplomacy and security alliances.

Sadly, whatever Isaias did was never beneficial to Eritreans, on the contrary, it has exposed the country to ridicule, to losing face, to embarrassment in front of the world. Moreover, he invited UN sanctions regime to Eritrea. In short, he managed to reduce the resilient nation to poverty, destitution and to losing its pride, pride it acquired in the long and arduous journey of the struggle era, an exemplary struggle that earned Eritreans world admiration and acclaim.

Until he switched positions, Isaias used Qatari support to strengthen his grip on power for a long time, just like he used Sudan for the same end. In 2015, he allied himself with the Saudi led coalition against Yemen, before leaning towards the UAE for the same purpose, and began to tow the UAE line and became a protégé of Mohammed Bin Zaid of UAE to lengthen his stay in power. Now he has switched against Qatar and Sudan, on top of his feud with Ethiopia, still, he is at odds with Djibouti. He has blessed the cruel bombing of Yemen, whose people are facing unimaginable misery. They are being bombed by American fighter planes and ammunition that the Saudis and UAE are paying for lavishly. But what is happening to Yemen cannot be condoned, or explained, by anyone who has a basic sense of humanity. It’s just pure evil. However, Isais Afwerki believes that condoning such an evil campaign against Yemen can get him a new lease of life, and he hopes the petrodollar power of Saudi Arabia and mainly the UAE can equip him to wreak further havoc in the region, primarily on the lives of Eritreans.

But worse, since Isaias cannot get any mileage from his regional gambling, he has begun to play a risky internal game with the Eritrean segments. This time, he is certainly pushing for a religious conflict in Eritrea, a country that proudly survived the destructive influence of the Saudi led intolerant version of Islam: Wahabism. And since his patrons, the Saudis, and Emirates, are against Qatar, he is conspiring to hide the destruction unleashed by their intolerant version of Islam in the region and in the entire world. Funnily, given the fact that the new target is Qatar, it appears the claim is that Islamist extremism is the creation of Qatar. But it is an open secret, and documented, which country nurtured and promoted that strain of Islam.

It would be a joke if it was not sad that now, purportedly, Saudi Wahhabism is kosher but Islamic Brotherhood is toxic! Luckily, anyone with a basic intellect can trace the inspiring ideology of all the recent upheavals in the world–starting from the Taliban, to Al Qaida, to ISIS, to Boko Haram, and all the bloody gangs–to the Wahabi teachings that the clergy of Saudi Arabia has been spreading all over the world starting from the Seventies.

Isaias can do what he pleases, but Eritreans have an agenda of their own.

“Sahwa”: An Awakening that Turned Reactionary

Since 1979, the petrodollar financed destruction under the guise of “Sahwa”, Islamic Awakening, has wrought destruction all over the world. It has besmirched the tolerant coexistence among the people of many countries like Eritrea. It has victimized Muslims wherever they reside, being criminalized by extension, and are still bearing the brunt of the blame for the Saudi bred and inspired extremism. And that is in addition to the alien teaching that severed social bonds among Muslims, by widening inter-religious gaps, and immensely widening gender-relations. Muslims are suffocating due to the intolerant and archaic social norms that were heavily pushed on helpless Muslim societies by the teachings of Wahabism.

Suddenly, in 2017, the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed Bin Salman, decided to reverse the course of his country’s history and reform the rigid culture that was promoted for years as the only acceptable religious culture. We wish him luck and indeed, he has the money and he controls the territory where world Muslim extremism was born. He is counting on the support of the Trump administration to pursue his agenda and he might succeed given the crowds of Saudis, especially women, who suddenly felt like they were let out of a large prison where they were born and grew up. Importantly, he has the money and controls the territory where world Muslim extremism was born.  Moreover, he has the clergy who have no qualms about switching direction and disavowing the crippling teachings they preached for decades–they are under his payroll.  Therefore, if the crown prince succeeds in eradicating the extremism espoused by the dogmatic Wahabi establishment, it would be a welcome change. But who rectifies the damages that were inflicted on Muslims for four-decades and how?

However, the top to down change a presented in the prince’s 2030 vision seems to lack mechanisms of accountability and transparency like the disastrous war he is waging in Yemen–the two are hardly based on a winning formula

In 1979, a rebel named Juhaiman Al Utaibi, a fanatical leader and a band of tribesman occupied the Kaaba to affect the downfall of the ruling family. The unprecedented incident shook the Saudi establishment to the core and immedi ately the Saudi government threw itself into the laps of the fanatic Wahabi establishment which started to aggressively preach its version of Islam. The Mecca incident coincided with the overthrow of the Iranian government of the Saudi Ally, Shah Reza Pahlavi, by Ayatollah Khomeini. The Saudis and other Arab countries became jittery and cried ‘the Shia are coming’. They pushed Iraq, the only Arab country with a formidable military power, to spearhead the fight against the new Iranian government and they waged a ten-year war to choke the Khomeini-led revolution. Of course, they easily resorted to the historical Sunni-Shia rivalry and framed the confrontation as such. Ten years of destruction passed before Saddam Hussein suspected he was a pawn in a war that the Saudis and the West instigated. After a million souls were lost in the war, Saddam Hussein realized the war that devastated Iraq by pitting it against Iran was fruitless. In what seemed like a revenge, in 1990 Saddam sent his forces to overrun Kuwait, which they did in less than a day and marched towards Saudi Arabia—determined to overthrow the Saudi royal family. Nothing would have stopped him if the USA didn’t come to the rescue and stopped Saddam Hussein and his forces by pushing it out of Kuwait, averting the risk that Saudi Arabia faced.

Now, four decades after Juhaiman Al Utaibi’s 1979 Mecca challenge, Bin Salman wants to reenact the same tactics by framing his policies against Iran—take two of the Saudi led war for which he is arming himself to the teeth—as a sectarian war, contemplating to pitch Sunni Muslims against Shia Muslims. Of course, he is counting on the Sunnis of the world to rally behind him. But why would Muslims become pawns in such never-ending adventures? Isn’t the fire and brimstone raining over Yemen enough?

Muslims had gained nothing (and will gain nothing) from the futile Arab sectarian wars that have been raging for centuries: either self-initiated inter-Arab wars or between Arabs and Persians. Muslims have nothing to gain by becoming fuel for reckless wars and mayhem that would cripple the already immobile societies. Unfortunately, Eritrea’s Isaias is foolishly diving in.

Last week the Eritrean regime implicated Mohammed Jumaa, a private citizen, as a leader of a Qatari supported armed group being organized in Eastern Sudan. As laughable as it is, one cannot help but be amazed at the foolishness of the Eritrean regime. Mohammed Jumaa is an Eritrean who arrived in the UK as a refugee, a man known for his humbleness and tolerance. True, he is not fond of the Eritrean regime as most Eritreans, and he a Muslim believer, who promotes religious tolerance and coexistence. However, given that, since if you throw such allegations at any Muslim, some of it might stick given the bigotry that surrounds us all over the world—and the Eritrean ruling party wants that tool to stay alive, and is using his name. Hundreds of Muslims have paid dearly for the Saudi brigandage, and for Wahabi intolerance and violence, unleashed by gangs that sprung in intolerant communities, which have made Eritrean Muslims a target even by the most fanatical religious zealots.

It is of paramount importance that the world steps back and examines the political developments in the Red Sea and the Arabian Peninsula–it is a serious matter. It is also futile and unluckily for Eritreans that the government they have is irresponsible and doesn’t realize the gravity of the situation. Unfortunately, the behavior of the Eritrean regime illustrates where it is heading to, blindly.

Playing with Fire

In November of last year, some students in Asmara the capital marched in protest of the closure of their school and the arrest of the board director, Hajji Musa, the 93 years old man who died in a PFDJ prison where he was kept for over four months. At his funeral, a record number of mourners turned out and repeated “Allahu Akbar”, which translates to “God is greatest”, the same way Muslims did since 14 centuries ago. But the PFDJ government depicted them as extremists who shouted “divisive and sectarian” slogans. That, Muslims find beyond proof of malice and playing with fire.

There is no Eritrean who doesn’t know that Muslims invoke the name of Allah in almost all their utterance. Allahu Akbar is a phrase that Muslims repeat tens of times every single day privately, and in unison during the five mandatory prayers, every day. If that is considered sectarianism, then the government might think of forcefully converting all Muslims to other religions that do not require them to invoke the name of Allah.

The PFDJ ignores the fact that oppressed people can be tolerant, patient, and cool-headed, though for a time. But then they snap—it is unnatural to be under bondage forever and not resist. Resisting oppression is a universally recognized right of human beings. Forget the poor Mohammed Jumaa whom the Eritrean government chose as a poster boy for its sinister motives; it should remember the entire Eritrean people is poised to face them to stop their oppressor measures. Is the PFDJ that inept, that reckless, not to be able to read the political situation? Do they think they can monopolize guns alone, forever?

Finally, it is worth noting that responsible Eritreans have been avoiding becoming accomplices in the scenario that the ruling party has been dying to create for the last twenty-eight years. For an avid reader of the situation, it is obvious that the patience has run out. And that could be the reason why the PFDJ is trying to play the religious card as a last resort to stay in power. And it is amazing to what length the Isaias regime can go, and how low it can go, just to stay in power at the cost of the nation!

It’s an established fact in history books that all tyrants read the same playbook. They always resort to igniting sectarian and regional conflicts to weaken the nation so that they can stay in power unchallenged. Therefore, there is no surprise that Isaias will massage raw nerves to pit Eritreans against each other to continue riding on their backs. What Eritreans and the world need to remember is, if unrest or violence breaks up in Eritrea, it is instigated, caused, and led by the PFDJ’s destructive and oppressive regime. No one else.

If what happened to Somalia and Yemen is any indication, the Saudi and UAE care less about what happens to post-Isaias Eritrea. The matter is critical, therefore, the supporters of the Isaias regime need to ponder about the situation when Isaias decides to switch his—he went from Libya to Qatar, and now to Saudi & UAE—a gamble that might leave Eritrea with more death and destruction.

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  • bereket

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    Dear Awate team.

    Could you give a link to the article where the Eritrean newspaper (Hadash Eritra I guess) referred to the Saudi royal family as turkish bastards? If not, could you tell us what period it was from? Thanks

  • Desbele

    Hope
    Contempt is what i exactly feel after reading your comment.
    This is how I want to deal with your comments if my code works
    if (comment = blink or Nitricc) {“skip”;}
    else if (comment = Hope) {“trash”}
    else (comment = “Read”)

  • Kbrom

    Dear Berhe and Awate

    I lost Berhe’s thread ኣሪግና ኢና ካን ሎምስ allow me to post it in here with apology.

    Warning and apol: this post is not laconic!

    Dear Berhe

    ርሑስ በዓል ትንሳኤ ይግበረልና።

    In regard to your question I will try to put my perspective and elaborate why I believe what I said as follows. Before diving into detail, let me reiterate that what I am writing is just what I am thinking loud based on what my instinct is telling me. That means I do not have any special information or knowledge.

    I believe PMAA is in a very difficult situation for the following compelling reasons 1) he came to power through unprecedented process, and that is disadvantage NOT, as many would think, is an advantage for him. EPRDF is a strictly centralised coalition, which works more on its war time relations of traditional hierarchy and culture that took its own path in the last 27 years. If you want to see more on how the unofficial structure works it might be a good idea to revisit again the accounts on የጋዘጠናው ማስታወሻ.

    Just to give you an example in the dictionary of the EPRDF’s revolutionary culture ‘ambition’ is a taboo not a virtue. When PMAA said I had a dream to be a PM since I was 15, that point merely put him in a very hostile position with in his party, if I were his advisor I would have told him never to mention it.

    2) He has inherited a colossal problem and unfortunately he has stepped into astronomical expectations – be it due to unrealistic expectations of the people – or due to the signals that he sent mistakenly before making sure that he will take the power in his hands.

    3) The one million question that many analysts are missing is: if PMHD can not do it how can PMAA do it, when nothing is being changed in the structure, power, principle, dynamism, of EPRDF. People are putting their expectation but no one is trying to address the question HOW. I watched Ambassador Herman Cohen’s interview with OMN, the weakest interview he gave ever, ( will deal with it in different post) where the good ambassador took the full liberty to say the following without addressing sufficiently the burning question – HOW.

    (PMAA) should move ahead ignoring by intelligence and military and abolish SOE release political prisoners, call all parties’ conference. He has to tell the army i am in charge the army has to resign. (Ambassador Herman Cohen)

    4) He is very inexperienced in terms of political chicaneries and intrigues to understand the game of prestidigitation and to reign a country like Ethiopia which has been under a shadow structure, Smoke-Filled Room, the undetectable coteries, virtually under full control of the army and intelligence, command post operation, not supported (actually seen as some one who broke and humiliated their norms) by some of the powerful power houses.

    For me, I might be wrong, the fact that he chose his first work visit to be to Jijiga, accompanied by Lemma, was unwise action. Michael Corleone’s advise
    ‘Keep your friends close and your enemies close is truer in politics that in other social life. I am quite sure in months’ time he will be labeled Lemmas stooge, controlled by Lemma, nominal pm etc by the masters of subterfuge.

    If PMAA is to bring the change that people are expecting him at least, he has to lift SOE, release political prisoners, call for – all party inclusive conference, abandon many of PMMZ’s legacies, take over full power from security, SOE command post and army, fire TPLF cadres from key positions, hold accountable the corrupted people in the top echelon of the coalition, dismantle the system of plutocracy that has resulted as a consequence of kleptocracy, allow a liberal policy towards opposition parties, overhaul the entire failed governance, lift the controversial anti terror law, put in place freedom of speech etc. Can anyone tell us please how can he implement this giant changes? Can he? How?supported by who?

    There are two scenarios, in fact three – scenarios in here:
    a) to swim against the tide, fight and win against all odds. Ambassador Cohen believes PMAA should take power from the army and intelligence because if any thing happens to him the international community will rise. As for me I do not think PMAA will take that risk putting all his trust on the un-guaranteed third parties intervention. One has also to remember that when the old power defy PMAA’s reforms they can make it under legislatives name namely the parliament, the EPRDF etc. Thus big chance to say to the international community this is our internal matter. The other point is that the west especially the USA which still sees Ethiopia as regional power would not compromise its relation with Ethiopia at a time the Chines expansion in the East of Africa is making them worried sick.
    b). to be another PMHD – followed by Queero’s and other’s tougher movements. If people do not see enough change, definitely they will brusquely shout that their demand was not change of names but change of policies and state affairs.
    c). God forbid as a result of the conflict between #1 and #2 unknown result and mercurial disintegration or chaos.

    Haile Selassie was supported by his royal structure, Mengistu had a docile system as a result of him maintaining an iron grip on the helm, Meles Zenawi had similar grip of very centralized power, EPRDF being so obsequious during his supremacy, PMHD was a
    wild card, basically a body under Meles Zenawi’s soul. which was not antagonized by the power houses until he started to take unilateral actions that lead to his resignation. Comparing to those facts, PMAA is in very awkward position like a bull in a china shop as they say.

    Based on the aforementioned three scenarios he will have a very unique history for good or for bad.

    Yesterday I told KM he is becoming over optimistic to which he replied I am becoming over pessimistic. I hope I am the only pessimistic person in the gutter and those who are looking at the Ethiopian stars will win the debate.

    I will pray to God for the success and safety of PMAA and Ethiopia!

    As Amde would like to put it ሁሉም የኢትዮጲያ ብሄሮች ብሄረሰቦችን እየተጀላለሱ ብሰላም ይኑሩ!

    • saay7

      Selam Kbrom:

      Call me superstitious but I don’t think it is a good idea to speculate about these things in an open forum that is read by anyone including people with mental health issues, if you get my drift.

      Here’s Team Lema in Jigjiga on their “hands across Oromo-Somali-State” tour. I am adopting Amdes “Team Lema” because it’s Easter 🙂

      https://youtu.be/C1FJRxiNqac

      Saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Abu Salah,

        This is a good advice. Kbromay, should take in to heart this advice. Because, there are many forumers who took speculation as true story, and use him as source of their info.

    • MS

      Ahlan Kbromay
      I think there is a thought entanglement, but unlike its quantum cousin, our entanglement seems to be arrayed in the same position- I don’t know why.
      I will bet for scenario (a) and let those endangered species deal with the disquieting reality. Here is the reality.
      A/ Dr. Ahmed is a result of OPDO’s having made a strategic shift. Basically, OPDO was strained by TPLF to its limits. It was made a scapegoat for TPLF’s insatiable hegemonic desires. It used those junior parties like ANDM, SEPDM, and OPDO as its lackeys in spreading its control over those societies. TPLF controlled their degree of independence in promoting the interest of their constituencies while projecting its unfettered control over those said constituencies through those junior parties. This long-run MO led to the popular uprising of those societies against the immediate representing parties (OPDO, ANDM and to some extent (SEPDM). Due to its multi-ethnic composition, SEPDM is still prone to becoming a tool by any ruling party. However, OPDO and ANDM are pure ethno-nationalist parties, and they are sensitive to a unified pressure from their respective uni-ethnic constituency. OPDO, representing the major ethnic group, bore the brunt. It had to decide whether to bury its head in the sand and continue becoming the instrument of TPLF hegemony, thus become irrelevant and be supplanted by the emergent popular movement (Diaspora and domestic combined and expressed in the Qeerro movement), or rise to the occasion and respond to the popular sentiments.
      B/ I believe the new blood, like Dr. Megersa, that served as a springboard for Dr. Ahmed, has convinced, traditionally TPLF-inclined cadres such as Dr. Abiy Ahmed to side with their constituencies. So, the new PM will try to rescue EPRDF coalition to the extent it accommodates the new realities; otherwise, he has the backing of the people, and particularly the popular demands. I think he has the support of most Ethiopians includes Tigrians to move swiftly in delivering on his promises. I agree the stumbling block will be the military and security still secured by the TPLF old guard. Another point is that we should not rule out new voices within the TPLF that push for more reformation. The only people standing in the face of real change are the old-guard TPLFites who have profited from the old arrangements, one that was designed on the premise of making TPLF the unchallenged political core for the next 50 years. Unless he reforms the structure and composition of the armed forces and security apparatus (particularly their top echelon to represent the social makeup of the country), redefining their mission and reorienting their loyalty, he will not bring any meaningful change that resembles what the forces that affected his ascendance to power. As of now, we have no meaningful political transition let alone a peaceful one. We have a replacement of a PM from within the same EPRDF that has been ruling the country since 1991. Some were quick to characterize the latest maneuver as a peaceful transition. But we will see if a peaceful transition will occur when EPRDF runs a clean election against viable opposition parties and handover the power to the winners.
      C/ Dr. Ahmed might be emboldened to make history, and if need be, die trying doing the right thing. After all, he is a Colonel and can navigate the security labyrinth because he is a product of that establishment. He has the backing of the goodwill of the people and the international community including bxaay IA (insert smiley emoji).
      D. Unless he does the above, the unrest will resume in months because people are not fighting for installing a puppet PM. They are fighting for a real and meaningful change. The qeerro movement will not die off because an Oromo guy made it to the top.
      Generally, Ethiopian opposition has shown maturity. It has advocated for unity. It has put Ethiopia first, without discrimination and finger-pointing.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Kbrom,

      Thank you for generous reply. ርሑስ በዓል dma nAka.

      My intention for saying you have “unfair advantage” was sort of a half hocking and half being series at the same time want to highlight your deep knowledge that you have. If I am not mistaken, on a couple of occasions you said “that I will NOT tell you”, not to me but to others where I understood you meant, I will not reveal my sources.

      1) I don’t think I agree that the EPRDF is all powerful and that the faith of PMAA is sealed based on those who hold power. First I think, it’s important to consider the historical aspects of how EPRDF come to be. The success of TPLF as an organization, beside being deciplined and very well organized front, other factors have really contributed to its success in more suginificant Wayne’s.

      Init’s history it went from strict Albanian style communist organization, to western capitalist organization with typical corruption and favouritism is the order of the day.

      A lot of factors played in its favour that made it all possible for its ascend to power. For example:
      i) EPLF significant contribution in defeating the derg.
      ii) Derg reckless military adventutre, where it spread itself thin it made an enemy of everyone.
      iii) the fall of communism where Derg lost its key allay and military support etc.

      If it wasn’t for the joint fight with EPLF and other organization, I think the front it could have held its position and the liberation of Tigray. No body could have predicted how long that condition would have lasted.

      So the TPLF/EPRDF made their own history and culture and I think that culture could be changed if the right ingredient is in place.

      I agree PMAA should not push the envelope too much at the risk of losing his grip on power but I think so far he is playing his cards quite successfully. In other words he is cashing in the huge capital that he has with the public. I think it’s great risk to take in order to build the momentum of change by appealing to majority of the public.

      Those who opposed his coming to power, will not be swayed to change their mind, so it’s better he pushes hard now and showing his independence early on.

      Like you said he doesn’t end up being HD at the control of the powerful entities.

      As to the culture of EPRDF and “ambition”, I really don’t know if it’s accurate. They keep talking about Melles vision as if nothing else mattered and the whole success of Ethiopia economic are or the most part credit to Melles. That may be true but I think the front is also uses ambition when it suit it.

      Based on the different video and other online discussion that come about after his speech it’s generally very positive. I think he managed to change the narration and change the whole atmosphere and people (most people) see it very positively. I don’t think they wouldn’t know that and try to sway against the general sentiment.

      The only thing I disagree about bringing Lemma, I hope they are not flying together for safety reason. Other than that, I think it’s right that Lemma is there in the talks since his region is the one that has conflict with.

      I saw the video of his welcoming in Jijiga, and I think, he is received really well.

      As to his inexperience, honestly I don’t know if there are quite the most experience politicians (with Lemma) Ethiopia can ask for.

      Lemma studied political science and Abiy with his PhD in Peace building, I think that have enough resources they can draw in.

      Everyone said Obama was inexperience but the schooling and the upbringing he had played a huge role in helping him navigate through power.

      I think what ever he lacks in experience, he will learn it on the job.

      Berhe

  • Kbrom

    Hello saay7 and Amde

    This is a SOL (save our language) message to both of you.

    Ethiopian TV is about to start a new program, I will tell you the name of the program later – till then saay and AMDE take your anti heart attack pill – until the pill works for you let me elaborate what is the program meant to be.

    It is intending to be equal to Stephen Sackur’s Q&A with a style of tough questioning, sometimes controversial, or the fake Kassim Faisals’ الاتجاه المعاكس.

    Now to the bomb shell: the name of the new ETV is called ከባድ ንግግር. OMG! AMDE can you please help .If they equated Hardtalk to ከባድ ንግግር what would they call the CNN program Crossfire መስቀላዊ እሳት?

    • saay7

      Kbrom:

      Well, you know, in the US, SOL means something completely different where S stands for excrement, O stands for out and L stands for luck. With Ethiopia, the problem is that of Africa: the standard is “good enough” and not “good.” A few years ago, when they opened the light rail, we were having fun here that they had no Amharic words for transportation…this week I saw a directional traffic sign: Milinium Park because that’s how you say Millenium in Chinese I think:)

      So, SOL.

      saay

    • Amde

      Selam Gash Kbrom,

      Well well…

      Funny enough ESAT recently started a Hardtalk type show. They called it.. በላ ልበልሀ.

      Sounds vaguely Somali.. but much better than ከባድ ንግግር.

      A long time ago i had a friend who said he loved ክርክር. So another friend said, fine let’s have a ክርክር. Well, it turned out that what my self-proclaimed ክርክር loving friend actually loved was ጭቅጭቅ… loud, imperious, constantly overtalking and interrupting.. It was hilarious to see if everone was slighly inebriated.

      I think I have the perfect title for it: It should be called ሞጋቾች.

      But as you probably know, that is already taken as the title of a never-ending soap opera.

      Speaking of which, during the long and seemingly interminable EPRDF executive and council meeting, one witty dude used Soap-Opera suspense language to describe the proceeding, as in..

      “Will Shiferaw Shigute finally get to place his name in contention?
      Will AbaDulla show improved Math skills?
      Will Mongiorino ever say something?
      Will Demeqe reply DebreTsion’s slap?

      Tune in tomorrow for another episode of… ኢህአደጎች።”

      Amde

      • Kbrom

        Gash Amde

        I like ሞጋቾች. I was also hoping to depart from the usual literal translation of other languages and have an organic one. በጠሬጴዛ ክብ፡ ነጥቦችንን ለማብሰል፡ ኣንድ ለ ኣንድ፡ or choosing weirdo sequence such as የመልሳችሁ ጥያቄ።

        Speaking of Mongiorino, what happened to her, she used to be very open minded, the sexiest in EPRDF and out spoken.

        I did not get the Will Demeqe reply DebreTsion’s slap? Can you tell me please

        • Amde

          Selam Gash Kibrom,

          Thank you for the endorsement of ሞጋቾች።

          I had a good laugh about የመልሳችሁ ጥያቄ. Is that one real? Wow it’s funny.

          I totally second your views on the irritating habit of direct-translation-of-English-word-sequences. A close second would be the surrendering of Semitic conjugation rules by inserting the word አደረግኩ (and some variation thereof) before an english verb. As in, “Park አደረግኩ”, “Workout አደረግኩ”, ወዘተ.. People, people please.. our tongues can conjugate to the n-th degree better. On this, I have to say EPRDF does a commendable job.

          Now to be fair, Da Youth have started expropriating English nouns and conjugating it Amharic style.
          (I feel like i have said this before, but what the hey)

          Consider the word Jealous. Morphed into ጄለሴ (“my jealous”, i.e. a friend so close I would feel Jealous if they were to be with someone else)
          Now has forms such as, እንጀላለስ (Let’s hang out), or the accusative “እየተጃለሱ!” (Being buddy-buddies!!).
          When I first heard it, i was so astonished I asked a young relative. He gave me a pitying look and said, “That’s been around a while.”

          Ergo, መልካም ፋሲካ ለ ዓዋተ ጄለሶቼ!!

          Amde

          PS. There was a story circulating about a row between DebreTsion and Demeqe. ደፂ, as he is referred to online, and in whose office the supposed kerfuffle over-kerfuffled, is said to have lost his temper as you ትግሬs 🙂 are reputed to, and slapped Demeqe. Who would have responded if it were not for Bereket who was there and dragged him out. Probably means nothing.

          • Kbrom

            Hello Amde

            is said to have lost his temper as you ትግሬs 🙂
            very true. we in the northern part attribute that temper to our Italian colonisers. Vai all’inferno! va al diavolo accompanied by calcio!
            But what about our neighbours from south, where did they get it from? I hope our historian Haile and our anthropologist saay7 would enlighten us.

          • Amde

            Kbrom,

            Hahaha.. very funny.

            I have to find an excuse to use calcio di diavolo. I swear some people need it.

            Amde

          • Kbrom

            Amedachn

            የመልሳችሁ ጥያቄ is something that I just created to reflect the way Ethiopian and Eritrean journalists ask. Most of the time they ask a leading questions, giving the reply themselves and almost guiding the interviewee to say what they want him to say hence it becomes የመልሳችሁ ጥያቄ instead of ልንጠይቃችሁ መልሱልን።

          • Amde

            Hi Kbrom,

            So true…
            You make them sound less journalists, and more of prosecutors.

            የመልሳችሁ ጥያቄ

            It would make a wonderful game show, or the basis for a cult. Haha…

            I promise to steal it.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            Actually, according to my exhausting research (making up stuff is exhausting) head-butting (Eritrean martial art) appeared in Eritrea in 1792. Legend has it that it was inspired by watching rams head-butt for hours, as part of their courting ritual. When the Italians came and watched the Eritrean martial art, they said “look they are using their heads!” Or to quote directly, “something something something testa!” The Eritreans who heard them began calling the game Testa.

            Since then, the Eritrean martial art has spread throughout the world to join the many forms of martial arts in the world. If you don’t believe me, read this: it is in the internet so it must be true:

            http://www.malandros-touro.com/testa.html

            saay

          • Amde

            Ummm saay7,

            Enquiring minds want to know..

            How exhausting?
            ..

            And how is your head.. since you’d never post such information without personally vetting it…?

          • saay7

            Amde:

            I was waiting for Emma to ask follow up questions but nooooo u had to jump in.

            Exhausting > lazy but < exhaustive

            Posting without vetting it. U are right I got aHEAD of myself there. But some people are going to lose their head when they learn Testa is now an Eritrean martial art. UFC quality

            Speaking of Italian remnants: without asking google, do you know why Eritreans (maybe Ethiopians too?) say “sugo” when they want to say tomato sauce for pasta?

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Haha… honest truth.. am supposed to hop in a car and drive a few hours but I am obviously seriously practicing my avoidance skills….

            Hence butting in with my head….
            A Testa Cerebra if you will

            No, i don’t know why we say Sugo, (we also use the term) for sauce. Do tell…

          • saay7

            Amde:

            I used to think it was the name of a company (like Omo became a word for detergent) but I think it is a form of cooking: Italian slow cooking of tomato sauce. As we learned from, oh, 1 gazillion mafia movies every mob boss is a cook and his specialty is pasta sauce which takes 10 hours to cook. (Think goodfellas bragging about slicing garlic with razors.)

            Saay

          • Kbrom

            saay7 and Amde:

            Since we are in the pasta area:

            1) Pasta was first made in China, not Italy
            2) The term “al dente” is used to describe the moment when the noodles have reached the perfect level of preparation.
            Somalis house roof is filled with pasta because they toss it at their roof wall to check if their pasta have reached the perfect level.
            3) Pasta should always be eaten al dente, literally meaning “to the tooth,” as it is not only tastier but easier to digest.
            4) October 25th is officially World Pasta Day.
            5) There are over 600 pasta shapes in Italy and practically as many types of sauce.
            6) The average person in Italy eats more than 51 pounds of pasta every year.
            7) The average person in Eritrea eats about 15 pounds per year. The average person in Ethiopia eats 7 pounds of pasta every year
            8) Number 7 is fabricated by the author to confuse Amde

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            First a replacement for your #7: Isaias Afwerki was once explaining why Eritreans are more civilized than Ethiopians and he said it’s because our diet includes pasta. Not an exact quote but something equally imbecilic.

            Just like eggs were declared forbidden fruit, the big diet movement now is to minimize carbs (pasta, rice). This may at long last change the Eritrean Male Physique which is always tempting cardiac arrest by insisting on having a potbelly inside a slender frame. Even the young Eritrean and Ethiopian male singers have it.

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Heya saay

            I am not sure about sugo but I know some-thing about Forchetta and Manca. Here is the story.

            An Eritrean servant served lunch (pasta) to his Italian masters but forgot the spoon and only put on the table the fork (Forchetta). The Italian as usual in a state of lost temper shouted at the servant ‘manca il cucchiaio’ you missed the spoon. The worried Eritrean was able to capture the first word Manca hence a spoon became Manca instead of cucchiaio.

            ሰምዐት እዝኒ መሰታ ቀዳሞት

          • halafi mengedi

            kbrom,
            this is pretty funny…never knew…
            hm

          • Kbrom

            Heya hm

            Have you noticed when we say Manca uno Manca tre when we play Billiardo (billiards), it came from two missing one missing.

          • halafi mengedi

            Kbrom,

            …this manca thing has created a crisis for me…i am now questioning every word i hear, lols….also, i am having fan trying to put the new found meaning of ‘manca’ in every joke or proverb i know that includes ‘manca’….so, what does ‘kizihleka b’edka, kiwieyeka bmanca’ mean now that we know ‘manca’ means ‘missing’? so and so forth…

            also, i just remembered some time ago, some where, someone had proposed a Tigrigna name for ‘manca’ or spoon: ‘beja eid’…hahahahaha

            hm

          • Haile S.

            Kbrom,
            This is very funny, but I suspect this is Kbrom’s witty invention.
            ወጹብ! እዚ ጹሩይ ትግርኛስ Manca ወዲ mancare?

          • Kbrom

            ሃይላት ብመጀመርያ ርሑስ ፋሲጋ

            “ክርስቶስ ተንስአ፣ መላእክቲ ተሓጎሱ።
            ዎ ሞት፡ ኣበይ ኣሎ ብልሕኻ፧
            ኣታ ሲኦልከ፡ ኣበይ ኣሎ ዓወትካ፧

            ከምዝበልዎ ኣነን ኤማ ዓርከይን ሓደ እግርና ኣብ ጉድጓድ ምስኣተወ ኣብ እርጋንና ካብኣ ክትኣልየና እንዲኻ ሓኾት ትብል ዘሎኻ እንቋዕ ጾመ ልጓም ፈትሓልካ ወላኳ ከምዘይጾምካ እፈልጥ ተኾንኩ ሃይለ ሓወይ ፡ ዝጾመን ዘይጾመን ጽንዒ ይኣስር ይብሉ ነበሩ ኣቦታትና ምሳና ሓቢርካ ጽንዒ ከምዝኣሰርካ ይሓስቦ ኣለኹ።

            ማንካ ብትግርኛ በጃ ኢድ ኢና ንብሎ እታ ማንካ እሞ ምህዞ ኣይኮነትን ሓቂ እያ ይመስለኒ ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ

          • Haile S.

            Kbrom,
            እምበኣር ምስ ኤማ እንቋዕ ጾመ ልጓም ፈትሓልኩም እብል።

            ክርስቶስ ትንሳኤ ሙታን…
            ኣሰሮ ለሰይጣን
            … ኣንታ ኣበይ’ከ ረኸቦ፡ ጽቡቕ ገበሮ።

            ተዛሪቦም የዛርቡኻ፡ ጾም ፈቲሖም የሕጥ ኡኻ፡ ከምዝብሃል።

            ናይ ማንካን ናይ ጽንዕን ጽባሕ የራኽበና፡ ምስ ከብድና የተስኣና።
            ልዋም ለይቲ

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            Back to ማንካ.
            First, how do you say ማንካ in arabic. I don’t speak or understand arabic, but googled and it sounds very similar to ማንካ.
            Second, I checked an Italian-tigrigna dictionary of 1904 which translates cucchiaio as ማንካ.
            It is based on these that I said a witty Kbrom’s invention.

            On ጽንዒ I woul like to ask if any one knows the origin and significance of it before telling you what I read.

          • Kbrom

            Heya Hailat

            In arabic it is ملعقة which is pronounced as Ma’Le-Qa, which I think is not source of derivation.
            See miss it is translated in Italian Manca. Nothing is proved by historian it is ኣፈ ታሪክ
            On ጽንዒ I do not know።

          • Haile S.

            Kbrom,
            Okay, let’s leave ማንካ there.
            ጽንዒ is a plant (False cleavers) a sticky plant that is put on the head on the eve of መስቀል by followers of the ተዋህዶ to express their firmness in their belief. According to ኣቶ ዘመንፈስቅዱስ ኣብራሃ (father of G.E. Gorfu), in the introductory part of one his books (don’t remember which, couldn’t find it right now), this practice came following the fight with the Portugese and re-establishment of the tewahdo church during the 17century. Furthermore ኣቶ ዘመንፈስቅዱስ ኣብራሃ explains the songs and lyrics during ሆየ ሆየ holding torches and going several times around the churches.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You are right buddy. We use that word during “መስቀል” I remember though it was related with the Orthodox Church. I use to join my friends though, I don’t believe on it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kbromay,

            ሓቂ ብሓቂ ሓደ እግርና ኣብ ጉድጓድ አትዩ:: መቸም ዘረባ ንዘረባ የምጽኦ እንድዩ እቲ ጉዳይ: እንታይ አዘኪርካኒ ሕጂ: ምስ ከማኻ ዘአመሰለ ሐደ ፕሮፎሰር ዓርኪ ዝነበርና ዕላል’ዩ (RIP):: ኩሉ ጊዜ ንአተሃላልዋና ክገልጸሉ ከለኹ: ዓርኩ ሕጅደአ ሓደ እግርና አብ ጉድጓድ አትዩ እንድዩ ክብሎ ከለኹ አይፈትዋን ነይሩ:: ድሕሪ ዓመታት ናይ ምርሳዕ ነገራት ይጅምሮሞ: ሓደግዜ እንታይ ይብለኒ: አንታ አማን ንዓይሲ ብሓደ እግረይ ዘይኮነስ ብፍርቂ ርእሰይ እየ ጉድጓድ ክአቱ ጀሚረ ይብለኒ:: እሞ ብእግሪኻ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ብርእስኻውን ጉድጓድ ይእቶ’ዩ ንምባል እየ ዘዛኻኽረካ ዘለኹ ክብሮም ዓርከይ:: እዚ ክብል ከለኹ ግን ዘሎካ ናይምዝካር ዓቅሚ ስለዘይተተንከፈ: ብዙሕ ዘተሓሳስብ የብልካን:: ኣብ አእጋርካ ጥራይ አስተብህል::

            – ርሑስ አፋስጋ ንክርስትያን አሕዋትና::

            አማኑኤል

          • Kokhob Selam

            ኣሙኒ ,,

            ከምእዚ ሕጂ ኣነ ዘለኽዎ ማለት እዩ ሃ ሃ ::
            እዋይ ኣነ !!! ኣንታ ካን ኣረግና :- ባ ኢና::

            KS,,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kokhob,
            ንስኻ ጥራይ ኣይኮንካን ኣሪግካ። ኣቦታትና ክምስሉ እንታይ ይብሉ፣ ወደ’ኣርብዓ ዘርባዕብዓ።

          • Kbrom

            ሰላም ኤማ

            ብሓቂ ብሓቂ ኣእምሮ ኢዩ ዝኣርግ። ሓንቲ ዓባይ ሰበይትስ ብኽቱር ግዝፊ ሕማም ረሲዕ ይሕዘን እሞ ናብ ዶክተር ምስከዳ ወዮ ሓኪም ብሰንኪ ግዝፊ ትርሰዓ ስለዘለኽን መግቢ ክትቅንሳ ኣለክን ስለዚ ኣብ መዓልቲ ሓንቲ ባኒ ጥራይ ቁርሲ ሓንቲ ባኒ ምሳሕ ሓንቲ ባኒ ድራር ትበልዓ በለን።

            ወዮ ሰበይቲ ገዛ ኣትየን ናብቲ ዶክተር ብምድዋል ስማዕ ዶክተር እቲ ባኒ ድሕሪ መግቢ ድየ ዝወስዶ ቅድሚ መግቢ በለኦ ይበሃል።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kbrom,

            ዘይተምጽኦ የብልካን:: we will make you screen writer for comedians.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kbromay,

            “በጃ-ኢድ” ደአ “gloves” ከይከውን::
            Me think.

            Second, “ጽንዒ” noun ካብ “ጽንዓት” Verb ዝመጸ እንተደአ ዘይኮይኑ: እቲ ኣብ ሆሳእና ንአስሮ ቃሌበት ደአ ከይከውን::

          • Kbrom

            ሰላም ኤማ ሃይላት ዓበይቲ ሰባት

            በጃ ኣብ ክንዲ ኻልእ ዝሓልፍ እንድዩ ኣብቲ በጃ እንተተሰማሚዕና በጃ ንክልቲኡ ኪኸውን ዝኽእል ይመስለኒ። ናይ ደቡብ ኣሕዋትና ኢደ በይዛ ይብልዎ።

            ንእግረ መንገድና ኮምፕላስዮኒ በጃ ክዳን ከምዝበሃል እውን ሰሚዐ ኣለኹ። ሰምዐት እዝኒ።

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Kbrom,
            ጽንዒ you are referring to is like ሰቲ. On Saturday ቀዳም ስዑር, after Good Friday, we tie it around our forehead for morning mass. It is a sign of our belief ( አብ እምነት ምጽናዕ)Believing in the resurrection. Not giving up hope after the death of Jesus. That is where the proverb you cited comes. Whether one has done the lent fast or not, everyone will go to have the head band. The palm fringes on Palm Sunday are related to the palm fronds that were used to welcome Jesus when he visited Jerusalem. On mesquel holiday, people would put the sign of the cross from the ashes of the bonfire damera of the night before, similar to the one Christians in the west do on Ash Wednesday. That is my two cent worth of recollection and my contribution as designated ኣደይ ኢታይ of Awate forum.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            I hope all is well with you. It has been a while. May be you are hiding somewhere in a sandy tropical island 🙂 :-).

            እንታይ ድኣ ህልም ጠፊእካ
            ሕመረት ክብርታት ኣብ መንጎ ገዲፍካ
            ወይስ ናተይ ‘ሓጥያት’ ዘረባ ፈሪህካ
            ትንሳኤ መዓልቲ ዝበልክዎ’ዶ ኣሰንቢዱካ
            ኬድካ ከይትኻውን ደብረ ቢዘን ፈሊስካ?
            ንዓ ግደፍ ምቁር ዕላል ዓወተ ይሕሸካ

            እንሃለናካ ዘይበለና ቅጭ
            ካማኻ ዘይከድና ፈጭ
            ንዓ ግደፎ ምባል ዕጭ
            ኬን በሎ ቀጨውጨው
            ንዓ ከማና በል ገጨውጨው
            ኣብ ዓወተ ተኣኪብና ገጭ ገጨው
            ይትረፍካ ቅልቅል ፈጨው.

          • Kbrom

            ሰላም ሃይላት

            “መንፈሳዊ ነገራት ዚሃርፉ፡
            መንግስተ ሰማያት ናታቶም እያ
            እሞ፡ ሕጉሳት እዮም ስለዝብለኒ
            ሓጥያት ሰብ ቅንጣብካ ነየስገኣኒ።

            የግዳስ ጠፋእኩ ነገር ዓለም
            ዝውፈር በዚሑ ዘውጽእ ንግዳም
            እምበር ኣነውን ናፍቖትኩም በዛ ዓይነይ
            ጸጋ ፍልጠትኩም በዛ ቀልበይ
            ጊሓትን ምስዮትን እንዳተርእየኒ
            ድቃስ ኢዩ ሓርቢቱኒ።

            ቅጭ ኣይመጸነን ሃይለ ቅጭን
            ዕጭ ኣይብልን ጸላኢና ከላኢ ይኹን
            ገጭ ኣይደልን ብገጭ ንመን ከእምን
            ኣነስ ካብቲ ሕማቕ ጽቡቕ ኢየ ዝሓቁን

            ነቲ ቅጭ ናብ ቅጫ ክንቅይር
            ነቲ ገጭ ናብ ገጥ ከነውፍር
            ነቲ ቀጨውጨው ናብ ጨው ከነስርር
            ብሓባር ኮንና ኢሂን ምሂን ንበል

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Waw! So the “head butting” which later changed to “testa” was an Eritrean martial art, that goes its history to 1792, before the coming of Italians to Eritrea. It is a new lesson for me, and I believe to most of us. I had an understanding, that it came to Eritrea with the coming of the Italians to our country. You are Fihira, as always I call you. I do not have a follow up question, when I am taken by surprise and waw.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Emma,

            😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, that’s what Amde told me.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hey saay..

            Dont pull me in our shenanigans..አንተ ተንኮለኛ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            Don’t worry, I know Sal very well. We are always in good terms. That is his way of pulling people to engagement.

          • saay7

            Amde

            I feel like you called me ከበደ because that’s how my brain is wired. So I will make it up to you: it’s Sunday and it’s slam poetry by Somali sensation Saida Dahir. Born in Kenyan refugee camp, living in….Utah (insert as many question marks as appropriate.). I see Trumps immigration office checking her papers and looking for ways to deport her now. The most fearless East Africans are Somalis: agree?

            https://youtu.be/tyJ8tD2Ditw

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Dear saay7

            Interesting article. There is a book (researched by a group of people) on traditional sports and arts including ተወሰጥ፡ ገበጣ፡ ሕልኮ፡ but have never mentioned Testa style. Besides the photo in the article ( which is staged) looks different from the modern Eritrean style of ቴስታ ኣላጊዕዋ which usually engages the forehead. The one in the picture looks like an image of our friends in the south. no?

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, there are some signs the evil TPLF is cooking something to undermine the premiership of PM Abyi by instigating the Ethiopian somalis. Don’t ask me why, but there are already some news of the Somalis threathening with Article 39, and the TPLF has been pressing Abyi to include Somalis in his new cabinet. Now that the evil TPLF/Weyane has seen their unfairly dominant position within EPRDF, and hence a free ride to rule over Ethiopia is getting a serious challenge, they are hopelssly trying to forge new aliances.

    • saay7

      Selamat Abraham:

      Well, ok, the language used here (“evil”) sounds very unlike Abe:)

      Let’s see. Today, Ethiopia released prisoners, opened up the internet and closed down Maekelawi prison. Even the decidedly Africa-hating Economist had something very positive to say about Lij Abiy.

      The president of Somali State is such a flamboyant character, he makes Abiy sound boring, and that’s saying a lot. Article 39 is one of those things they put in the Ethiopian constitution that will never ever ever be invoked by anyone. (Like the right of a woman to ask for divorce in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.)

      The TPLF is plotting for a comeback (it would not be a viable organization if it didn’t try to) but so far all I have seen is heavy-handed stuff. And I can’t ask u what makes u say what u said because u said “don’t ask me.” 🙂

      This weekend, I will share the video of Abdi Mohammed Omar, the regional president of Somali-Ethiopia state. He is….colorful.

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        I agree with your response to brother Abraham for the unwarranted criticism he made on TPLF visa vise the Somalis. The arguments that are continuously made (by TPLF haters) against TPLF, sounds that the intellectuals of Tigray prople are outsmarting the intellectual of the other social groups, in such away they can maneuver them always to the interest of TPLF. It is not true.

        This kind of assumptional argument can not pass the litmus test of the verifiable truths. The Somalis intellectual do not need to be told, to trigger or invoke article 39, if they want it. They could do it themselves without being told, if they have all the criteria to invoke it. There are provisions in the article when and how to do it. You can’t simply invoke it on reasons that is not in the provisions.

        The article can not easily be invoked. Second, the Somali intellectual like the intellectual of the other components do know how to fight their interest. Third, they do not need to trigger the article in order to get the cabinet. There are many ways they could get the cabinet positions. Fourth, the PM knows very well how to assemble his cabinets by taking in to consideration the grievances of the components. I do not understand why they are surfacing such rumors before the PM fill his cabinet offices.

        Regard

        • saay7

          Emma:

          Ummmm….well. I think I am getting off your train. Without question, the Somali regional prez was groomed to his position by Meles (I believe he is still part of the Meles Zenawi Foundation) when Meles wanted a Somali face to go after ONLF with vengeance. (His background is security or special forces.) And without question, the TPLF has been trying to bring in the Somali org into EPRDF to dilute the power of OPDO and ANDM. And without question, within the Special Forces of Somali State are many TPLF veterans in the feuds (territorial and otherwise) with Oromia State.

          I was disagreeing with Abraham’s characterization of this as “evil.” I think of it as standard operating procedures for an outnumbered group to stay dominant, its also SOP that, to borrow Amdes phrase, “Team Lema” has wised up to.

          Article 39 was always an impossible article: anything in the constitution that doesn’t apply equally to all zones cannot be viable.

          saay

          • Kbrom

            Kburat abeyti adi saay7, AMDE & Emma

            If I borrow the sunscripted inscription at the entrance to hell from Dante’s Divine Comedy; Abandon hope all ye who enters in the dialogue of Ethiopian politics, what would be your answer to my following question:

            What do you think the EPRDF (TPLF) would do if (when) they want to discredited and get rid of PMAA.

          • halafi mengedi

            kbrom,

            easy,
            1) keep and extend soe
            2) arrest and/or re-arrest people.

            hm

          • Kbrom

            hm enterekebkaya meley selam beleley

            good points, but do you think it is that ‘easy’

          • halafi mengedi

            kbrom,

            [play this in your head: drinn dR-endrinn, drinn dR-endrinn…]

            It is always easier to sabotage, you don’t have to do it perfectly, just muddy the water…zeragi mai kelo, xiruy mai neysite..style.

            hm

          • Kbrom

            hm

            I agree, what I meant was that
            1) keep and extend soe
            2) arrest and/or re-arrest people might not have the dramatic adverse impact.

            I was thinking about more complex and impacting intrigues.

          • halafi mengedi

            kbrom,

            lieli akmey eya eziasi….will leave it to the big heads…

            hm

          • Selam Kbrom,

            Sorry for intruding, but why would ethiopians allow the so-called all-powerful tplf to continue to do whatever it likes, as if ethiopia is a tplf colony? Somebody was also saying that they could draw the somali card, which nobody knows if it will work. They could spoil things for ethiopia, but, neither are they going to do good for the people of tigray.

            Even if they want to leave the union and go their own way, i doubt if the people of tigray will unanimously support their decision, and it is doubtful that they would ever succeed to create a successful, prosperous and democratic tigray. Most probably they would create an other poor failed state.

            Finally, should tplf be ethiopia’s nightmare? Who will accept that?

          • Kbrom

            Hello Horizon,

            Kilil Somalia, the fully under TPLF regional administrator and administration is one of TPLF’s lethal whip at hand against PMAA if they want to do something.

          • Selam Kbrom,

            When you say, “Kilil Somalia, the fully under TPLF regional administrator and administration”, it means the Somali kilil is a tplf protectorate (colony), and tplf (the overlords) will unleash the somalis against 40m oromos, whom PMAA represents. This way tplf and their footmen (somalis) will triumph, and tplf will rule ethiopia.

            I do not believe that somalis will sacrifice themselves for tplf’s sake, and they are not pawns in the hands of tplf. They have their own ethnic interest, which is not to serve tplf’s hegemonic dreams. Any way, better wait and see.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Thank you for extending the absurd logic to its conclusion. Listen carefully to what Kbrom is exploring. He probably knows just as much as you and me but he goes beyond far beyond to reach his conclusion.
            .
            It is always educational to read the comments of participants on any given topic. A pattern is revealed as to where the wishes and aspirations of some of these opinion maker’s directions are.
            .
            Do you remember, perhaps you were too young, during Haile Selassie era the majority of students who participated in political discourse were anti Haile Selassie….Feudal, backward, corrupt..etc. But then slowly it evolved and included the Shoa Amhara for the demonization process.
            The Shoa Amhara who were and are just as poor and just as oppressed were made out to be the devil incarnate.
            .
            I see that pattern being developed here. TPLF is being portrayed as a super natural being.
            I am sure TPLF have committed blunders and bad deeds from the beginning till now. One can focus only on the negative part of their effort. I don’t.
            .
            What is troubling to me is the TPLF is slowly morphing in to Tigray for this demonization process.
            We should not allow it like we did to Shoa Amhara.
            .
            What you see hear is the groundwork for the blame game. Any error in judgment PMAA makes will be because of those “super invisible TPLF” operatives. It is not a big jump from there to sons and daughters of Tigray.
            As you can see people are looking all the possible avenues to the havocs with excitement.
            .
            Today’s Ethiopia is a little smarter and stronger and its sons and daughters are participating in record numbers in their local and national Governments. It will usher in a more united Ethiopia than ever before without leaving any group behind.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mr. K.H,

            How, great..Nice and thank you..

            KS,,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            Nice to see you participating and doing well. I wish you all the best.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            Good observation. You are right that Ethiopia “will usher in a more united Ethiopia than ever before without leaving any group behind” from the way they are engaging each other.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I didn’t know switching positions can be that easy without any transition, specially for a veteran politician. TPLF admits its mistake and now open for reform which is responsible and courageous move and thus a new hope is being born. We all should welcome such decision and hop one day we Eritreans will get a chance to decide the fate of our country. ግን ተጎልቢብካ ካብ PRO ናብ REFORM mistrust እንዳሓወስካ ፊሑግ ፊሑግ ምባል ኣይግድን ዳሓር ካኣ “እስፕሪስ” ኣብ ጽማቕ ጥራይ እዩ መልክዕ ዘለዎ.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            I could not change the opinion you have on me. It is who you are. I will leave it for history. Have the peace with yourself and the hate you have on others. I do not need to respond to any of your comment for that matter.

            Have a good day.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Likewise ኩቡር ሐው, ግን እዚ hate ወዲ hate ብብዝሒ ኣብ ዘይ ቦትኡ ምእታው ነቲ ቓላት ዮፍኩሶ እዩ እሞ ኣስተውዕል እንተበልና ይሐይሽ መስለኒ. When people challenge your position, accusing them of hate is not a wise move plus no one has accused you of hate when you try to drag innocent people to PFDJ camp, and no one has accused you of hate when you fail to understand the grievance of Oromos and other Ethiopians under In support of TPLF’s iron-fist rule. The point is not about Ethiopia rather your capacity to address the mistrust among Eritreans and form a united front against PFDJ.

            ሩሑስ ኣውዳኣመት
            Peace!

          • Desbele

            Selam Anan,

            Please note my genuine admiration for standing your ground against baseless hate and attacks. With a real name, photo and real comments -how liberated a man you are!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Desbele,

            Brother, I appreciate for the nice words. One who is not liberated himself can not talk about the liberation of others. This is rule number one for me when I challenge myself ንክብገስ and hence “tebeges”. I could not speak about the liberation of my people behind fake names or nicknames, if “one life to live” for me is to liberate my people. This was the promise I made when I was young student, and with me a promise made is a promise kept for 48 years….and is continuing. I will live and die with it.

            “ቃልሲ ህይወተይ” ኢሉ ዘይተበገሰ ሰብ ብዛዕባ ሓርነት ነብሱን ሓርነት ህዝቡን ክዛረብ ኣይክእልን’ዩ ዝብል ጽኑዕ እምነት’ዩ ዘለኒ:: ስለዚ ብድሕሪ ብርዒ-ስም ተሓብእካ ዝግበር ቃልሲ “ምኻን ቃልሲ” ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ናይ ነብሰ-ምትላሎ ህይወትውን እዩ:: እምበአር ተቃላሳይ ነዚ ህይወትዚ ነይዎ ክብሎ አለዎ:: የቀንየለይ ሰናይ ምሽት ከአ::

          • Patriot

            Selam Peace. It is surprisingly easy for some Eritrean veterans to switch sides and sleep with the TPLF insolong as they believe that it aids them in their efforts to overthrow the Isaias/PFDJ regime; somehow forgetting and wishing to ignore the fact that the TPLF has over the years become an object of hate and scorn. Emma sees no problem in attending opposition meetings in Ethiopia and getting glamour shots with TPLF principals.

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            The million dollar question is why some people don’t want to help ethiopians bury the hatchet, allow the genie to return to the bottle and they hate to see ethiopians create a new beginning that will take them towards peace, reconciliation and unity. Who is the ultimate target? Not really difficult to guess.

            These are qewTi qenoch, and it is difficult what to believe and what not. From being the hated and demonized, tplf is now the invincible and master of the game, A big gulf between our social groups is in the process of being formed.

            No one should ever make the mistake of seeing tplf and the people of tigray under the same light. It will be repeating an ugly past history.

            Finally, thank you a lot for telling me i could be too young during HS’s zemen. You made my day. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

          • Kbrom

            Dear K.H

            You stated

            ”It is always educational to read the comments of participants on any given topic. A pattern is revealed as to where the wishes and aspirations of some of these opinion maker’s directions are.”

            If your comment, especially the above mentioned and the one you labelled ‘absurd’ is meant to my discussion with horizon, I do not think it is constructive and matured way of discussing points. For the following reasons.

            1) It is factually wrong conclusion, drawn from wrong assumption, based on unacceptable hypothetical ‘patterns’.
            2) It leads to the most un-constructive way of discussion i.e. personalising and attacking ‘opinion maker’
            3) It did not talk about the issue at hand or the idea I was discussing with hm and later with Horizon. re: how would the TPLF undermine PMAA If they are to?
            4) You jumped in to conclusion to label me as someone who thinks TPLF is ‘super natural’ without bothering to read my previous comments and analysis
            5) You put statements that I did not say and volunteered to pontificate saying ‘he goes beyond far beyond to reach his conclusion’.
            6) You started your post by saying ‘He (Kbrom) probably knows just as much as you and me’. This line warrants one to pose the question why is ‘who knows what important for you? I think we are here to learn from each other and work for the betterment of our countries through the little knowledge we share.

            If you see the thread from the very beginning what I asked, NOT CONCLUDED as you falsely put, was this:

            What do you think the EPRDF (TPLF) would do if (when) they want to discredited and get rid of PMAA.

            If you have noticed my posts I try to initiate topics that can spark new perspective on our discussion. The reason I asked that question was to start a discussion that could lead as into scenarios including the article 39, the power dynamism,TPLF police, security and intelligence’s power over PMAA, and its consequence etc rather than speaking on the past events, speech, PMAA background. I was trying to end the what happened part of wide discussion in Awate so we can discuss what could happen in the future. The reason I indicated Somali Kilil was because as of today the confrontation is mounting up, and the fact that PMAA’s first domestic travel would be to Jijiga says a lot.

            Unlike your hasty conclusion I know in and out the TPLF’s way of doing things. However that should not influence me to make my analysis biased agains TPLF because my academic ethics and integrity does not allow me to be so.

            In regard to your conclusion re:
            Ethiopia is a little smarter and stronger and its sons and daughters are participating in record numbers in their local and national Governments. It will usher in a more united Ethiopia than ever before without leaving any group behind.

            We the Eritreans and, for that matter, all peace loving people in the world would love to see a united and democratic inclusive Ethiopia.

            However, with all due respect, I think, your statement is over optimistic and utopian.
            Ethiopia is also in a brink of disintegration, it can have see a civil war, it is still the same Ethiopia under SOE, dominated by one Ethnic group, which is revengeful, conspirator and on the ground nothing has changes.

            A band aid CAN NOT cure a Heart Attack or Sudden Cardiac Arrest that needs open heart surgery.

            I really hope our discussion will always follow the following points 1) do not abel people names hastily 2) do not personalise opinions and 3) stick to the discourse of discussion.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kbrom,
            .
            Sir, I appreciate for your response. I have read several of your posts, in fact, I read them carefully not to miss what is said.
            .
            I meant no disrespect to you when I was responding to Horizon. Perhaps I should have said to him that you look at Ethiopia of April, 2018 in a different light than I do and moved on.
            .
            I said: I see Ethiopia marching forward toward a united country more than ever before.
            (over optimistic and utopian)
            .
            You see it as being on the brink of DISINTEGRATION and civil war.
            .
            I would say that is the exact opposite of the over optimistic and utopian view of mine and leave it at that..
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam MrKH,

            Notwithstanding the altogether positive news this past week or so, I “feel” Kibrom’s instincts ( I would even say “Informed Instincts”) on what is happening in Somali Killil bears watching. There are flanking manoeuvers going on I think.

            People forget that a million Oromos were displaced with pretty much no accountability. That translates to a lot of seeth.

            Abdi Illey put out a welcome mat, and was a gracious host. Abiy and Lemma struck very conciliatory tones. Not going well with the Oromo activists/community, but I think TeamLemma has so far proven to be canny chess players.

            We will see how it goes. But I don’t feel Kibrom is being as we say in Amharic, a ሟርተኛ.

            ካስከፋሁ ይቅርይ።
            መልካም ፋሲካ።

            Amde

          • Kbrom

            Selam MH and Amde

            If I may add,

            I read your posts guys so thoroughly and between lines because I want to understand things from the horses mouth. May be I am a bit over-worried but I must admit that I am perturbed the with the current situation. Mainly because I know how crook is the TPLF and would opt for ኣህያ ከኔ ሃላ even if it is the disintegration of Ethiopia.

            I think it is worth to share that credible sources inform that the last conflict between the two Kilil was instigated by TPLF, when the Querro movement was at its pick. Add to that Abdi unbecoming behaviour and its close relation with Getachew and other intelligence agencies.

            As a matter of principle I prefer to prepare for the worst case scenario rather than being complacent and caught surprised by intrigues. TPLF’s mantra is anyone who derails from the EPRDF’s roadmap should be punished so that it will not create a precedence for others to follow suit; I think Lemma would be their target for being the architect of saying who are you after all to be worshiped like God. .

            መልካም ፋሲካ! ለኢትዮጲያዊያን ወንድሞቻችን እና እህቶታችን የሰላምና የኣብሮነት ግዜ ይሁን፡ ታላቋ ኢትዮጲያ ሁሉም ብሄሮች የሚጀላለሱላት ኣገር ትሁን። ኣሜን!

          • Amde

            Gash Kbrom,

            Wow I think you have created THE slogan for the age!!

            “ታላቋ ኢትዮጲያ ሁሉም ብሄሮች የሚጀላለሱላት ኣገር ትሁን። ኣሜን!”

            I have been laughing with tears streaming.

            ኣሜን Indeed!!

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            I am sure there are a lot of gears that were frozen during the last administration that needs to be fixed.
            The fact that the PMAA makes his 1st trip to Somalia State indicates the priority given and the solutions sought to the problem.
            .
            The weeks and months to follow are critical for the leadership abilities of the PM and co. I am sure there are other issues and other unseen players in the game as well. It is complex. However, I am hopeful now than I was 2 months ago and we will all see.
            .
            I wish I could write the next sentence in Amharic the way I heard it.
            “I am a person that can go in to a human heart, look around, and come out without touching blood.”
            Amde, as far as you go, you are fine with me.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam Mr.KH,

            Thank you for your kind words, very gracious.

            Without a doubt we are better off than we were two months ago.

            If there is truly something called Political Capital, I don’t think I have ever seen any Ethiopian have as much as Dr. Abiy does. It is enormous and he has a large surge of goodwill behind him. We hope he will learn to use it to slowly make things better.

            Amde

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Aman, I don’t know which constitution you are talking about, but from what I read in the Ethiopian Constitution, it is quite simple to invoke and eventually declare independence from the federal gov. According to the article you need only two things:
          -Two thirds majority vote of the regional parliament
          -Majority yes to independence in the region through a referendum
          PS. As far as I’m concerned I do not have any hate towards the tplf, though I’ve lots of misgivings regarding their indirect negative impact on my people through their rejection of unconditional implementation of the EEBC border ruling. Frankly, I do not believe the TPLF wish any good to the Eritrean people; instead they want to create a failed state in Eritrea so that the Eritrean people can come to them begging for their mercy. This is one of the reasons that I believe they are EVIL, though to a much lesser extent than our own home grown EVIL.
          Plus, Aman, justice and fairness does not have borders, if you are determined for justice to the Eritrean people, you should also have similar wish towards other peoples, including our neighbors south of Mereb.

    • blink

      Dear Abrham
      can any of these somalia region security personals be in that position with out TPLF back , No and it means Somalia region was the arm twisting neck to any challenge from Oromo region. Somalia regional army was armed by weyane and especially at the time of meles , it was all done to show some Oromo politicians that TPLF will play dirty game. All the 1 million displaced people were done by weyane and it did not work.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Folks, I think the process of further improving the Ethiopian democracy should start at the EPRDF itself. As you know, the organizational structure of the eprdf is such that its Council and executive committes are made of equal representatives from all the member parties. The main challenge to real democracy starts here; how could a party that comes from an electorate of 6% have the same number of representatives as those parties whose total electorate make up more than half of the Ethiopian population? The first stuggle for better democrcay should start in securing a more fairer proportional representation of the member parties within the eprdf, that should be what the OPDO, ANDM, and SEPDM strive for.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Abraham H,
      .
      Another way of looking at the same democracy is as a federal system the 9 Ethiopian Killils have equal standing. If you are from Harari you say yeah, if you are from Oromo you say yeh.
      .
      The constitution says: (( Member states of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia shall have equal rights and powers.))
      .
      To do what you suggested requires a constitutional amendment. The smaller states probably would not look at it favorably.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam k h
        He is talking about eprdf . Not the house of federation., u welcome.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Teodros Alem,
          .
          You are right.
          Each member of EPRDF represent their Killil as an equal partner, otherwise the Oromo and Amhara killil members will dominate all issues, no compromise necessary.
          .
          Maybe a different party can be organized as he suggested.
          .
          Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Equal representation is for the house of federation according to the constitution, nothing to do with the governing party, if u thinking this constitution(which i support over 95%of it) is the best way for interest of tigray , i say good luck.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            Why do you think this constitution is not in the best interest of Tigray?

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            5% of the population, resource, location, history,……..

          • Amde

            Sorry Ted,

            Are u replying to me or MrKH?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Am so sorry. I wasn’t pay attention about the name.

          • Amde

            Selam Ted,

            Not a problem. I wasn’t sure if you were responding to me or MrKH.

            I am actually really interested why you say you don’t think this constitution is in Tigray’s interest. Would like for you to elaborate and discuss.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I was in ethiopia last year and went a lot of part of ethiopia and noticed what have been said on tv is 90% twisted , exaggerated or downgraded ,
            And like i said a believe the constitution is in fever of the big marginalized states, in terms of economy and poltical power.
            Tigai never been marginalized except language issues , easily can be fixed by a lot other means.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Teddy,
            “And [Tigreans] will benefit from the rest of ethiopia, and the rest benefit none from them”
            WHAT does this mean, if I may? Please explain.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            I meant economically.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Teddy,
            Please elaborate. You are giving us words and phrases and not thoughts. What you stated cannot be explained in one word or even a paragraph.
            How do you explain your point “[Tigreans] will benefit from the rest of ethiopia, and the rest benefit none from them” “econonically”?
            I am just trying to understand your opinion on the matter you just stated. Remember, it is a grand claim which should not have been said if one were not ready to back it up., If you can’t explain then tell us so and you need to throw adverbs. Or else share to us what you have in mind in that in that statement.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Tigrai is dependent to the rest of ethiopia economically which is like agricultural prodection, there is no other people live in tigrai .tigrai’s location from the center , Even tigrai’s rivers came from other states and so on. but the others ethiopian don’t depend on tigrai in terms of same thing.
            Don’t forget we were talking about if ethnic federalism is good or bad for tigrai and my argument was each individual state importance will come from economical and poltical (population) influence .
            If the federalism implemented democratically.

          • Olana

            Dear Teodros Alem
            Today it is Good Friday in Ethiopia and Eritrea and fasting is good for the mind to cleanse it from all bad thinking. Tell us the truth you have not been to Tigray because you would not have shared such baseless information. What do you mean when you write ‘there is no other people live in tigrai’?

          • Teodros Alem

            I mean there is no none tigraians other than those soldiers and student, teachers in university of tigrai. No permanent non tigrai residence.

          • Hayat Adem

            Teodros and Patriot,
            I am not sure if I am telling this story here for the 2nd time. Those who get easily annoyed hearing a repeat story, pls excuse.
            I had an English school teacher who gave us a homework for the following class day from the text book. The instruction was to change adjectives to nouns. I scanned at the list and I knew the nouns of almost adjectives, except one or may be two. So figuring out the unlikely odds of landing on the only one adjective that I was not familiar with, I went to class without caring to ask for help for the 1 adj. Bad luck: I was asked to give the noun of that very adjective out of a long list. And then, the easier thing would have been “I don’t know it” and save myself from futher embarrassment. But I tried to answer and it came out so senseless and I became a laughing stoke in front of my class.
            The word was “entire” and what I tried it with was “entiration”. The teacher was agitated, up on hearing me uttering that and he loudly yelled out at me,”WHY DON’T YOU SHUT UP IF YOU DON’T KNOW IT.”
            Patriot and Teodros, why don’t you shut up if you don’t know it. Really. Please spare us from such nonsense and ignorance.
            Local economic contributions to a nation are mainly measured by tax revenues. Local economic benefits are mainly measured by the budget sliced for them from the National purse. Don’t say reficloys stuff when you don’t have to. And once you misspoke, and If you can’t support your statements using these two elements when asked, then shut up.
            If your measurement of economic dependence of an ethnic group based on the number of people residing outside their kilil, you will end up saying the worst thing about the Tigrigna ethnicity in Eritrea. BTW, even in Ethiopia, be it in percentages relative to their population size or in head counts, no ethnicity lives in bigger number in another kilil than the Amhara and Debub. I am also told: If it is purely a percentage consideration, no one beats the Adere. But the Adere are one of the most affluent society in Ethiopia.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Gdp of the state and tex revenues r the measurement of th size of the economy and still tigrai contribution is way way so small but my point was to show how one state can influence the others economically .
            Exempt. Amara will compromise more with oromia than tigrai in order to protect the amara interst live in oromia.
            I know from which twisted and hate culture u came from , so tell ne the unknown.

          • Hayat Adem

            HiTeodros?
            Look you said this: “Amara will compromise more with oromia than tigrai in order to protect the amara interst live in oromia and alse where”
            If Tigray were the most dependent state than the rest, like you claimed earlier, then Tigray would be expected to compromise more than the rest. But now you turned around and came with another bizarre claim that the Amhara are more dependent on Oromia than Tigray. Why don’t you shut up. Because if you shut up, you will never misspoke.
            You don’t seem to be together, brother. I don’t know what your purpose is or the point you are trying to make here, but it is clear your 2nd claim is laughing at your first one.
            I am not trying to be harsh on you but all or most of your statements and views about Ethiopian politics don’t make sense at all. Your facts are cooked or messed up. Your departure points are confusing. Your purpose here doesn’t sound genuine.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Example, amara will compromise more with oromia to protect amara interest in oromia(Becouse there r millions amara there) and the amara in amara kilil(Because they have more trade between them)
            With tigrai they don’t need to compromise nada because there is nothing to protect from them.
            Keep showing .

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Teodros,
            Now, how do we come to discuss the level of readiness of the Amhara to compromise with Oromia and the rest states in Ethiopia from discussing the topic of the parasitic dependence of Tigray on the rest of Ethiopia?
            And your reason for this latest point of yours is because Amhara have more invested interest in Oromia than with Tigray, right?
            But here too, you can test your logic: Egypt has, not just a huge one but an existential interest in Ethiopia. Egypt has less interest with Eritrea compared to what it has over Ethiopia for obvious reasons. But Egypt is seen playing a harder ball with Ethiopia than with Eritrea. Big and many interests can make you more hegemonic and over protective than compromising. You see, Teddy, your linear thinking will never figure it out right. I just told you: if you shut up, you will never misspeak.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            U mean zerosum game or my enemy enemy is my friend.
            What makes u think the other can’t play the same game better giving the size of thier economy and population?
            Like i said keep showing the twistedness.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Teddy,
            One more lesson: zero sum game is a two party play not involving a 3rd party. The concept of “my enemy’s enemy” is a different ball game.
            But then again, Eritrea is an upper riparian country. So is Ethiopia. Eritrea is a strategic depth of Ethiopia. So is Ethiopia for Eritrea. Eritrea’s strategic national interests are compatible and complementary with Ethiopia’s, not with Egypt’s.
            My life mission is to build a bridge of cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea and return it to its natural course. Yours is the opposite. The internal itch is making you bleed through your hating eyes. If you can shut up, you can minimize your vulnerability.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            U see how twisted u guys r? U said” Ur life mission is to build a bridge of cooperation between eri and ethio” look what ur beloved tplf with the help of toxic people like u did? Is not that the right proof u guys twistedness?
            My vocabulary tells me zerosum game is a game nothing profits comes out of it for both side. It is not a new game , u been playing it for so long and other will have to follow it since no option and it’s already gave profit by deporting a lot of u and it is just the beginning played with less than 5% capacity.

          • Patriot

            Selam Hayet Adem. More than 95% of large scale investments in Tigray region come from: 1) Direct TPLF party, 2) TPLF party member or 3) Members of the MZ nuclear family. Other Tigray go outside of Tigray region to invest and land grab. For other regions in Ethiopia, over 80% of overall investment activity falls under TPLF party control, TPLF party investment, or non-TPLF but yet Tigray investment. And, most of these avoid full tax liability.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Did you sense from TA’s comment that, the tigrians are economically poor. Therefore (a) they could not govern for economically rich social group because they are poor (b) It is in the interest of tigrians to stay with the Federal arrangement, otherwise…….? How could a mind that operates this way could think about the unity of Ethiopian people?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            We were talking about ethnic federalism and the influence of tigrai in ethiopia through ethnic federalism , if it’s implemented accordingly.
            Since u r a Bearden to eri opposition, i don’t blame u for not understanding what we were talking about.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            I think TA sounds exactly those typical Pfdj promoting and disseminating hate and division targetting Tigreans contrary to his claim of himself to have come from Tigrean root (1/4th) in both parental paths and Gondore (3/4th).

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Believe it or not, I don’t hate anybody. It is not my nature to hate.
            But i really really hate ur(tplfist) toxic mentality which is zerosum game driven by cheap ethnic narrowism .

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes Teddy,
            I can really really see your hate not just tplf but every ethiopian and Eritrean. The only person you love on earrth probably more than you love yourself is IA. You can’t hide that.

          • Patriot

            Selam Hayat Adem. Remember when you were a freshman high school student at 24 years of age, embarrassed in your English class? Sorry, but again your classmates are laughing at you. Not everyone that does not love the TPLF is a lover of Isaias. So shallow of you to loweryourself to this elementary level. Shame on you…

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            What u said above is the result of a combination of tplf thinking .1, don’t think outside of the box.
            2, who ever criticize u is tigrai enemy.
            3, natural twistedness
            4, being stubborn is as a sign of Winer.
            5, 6, 100,
            Thank u any way have a good day.
            But honestly tplf is ur enemy than mine .because tplf make u to think only inside the box. If tlpf doesn’t exist a can tell u will be one of influential person of our region .

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi TA,
            your only crime is your attitude of “my ignorance is equal to your knowledge”

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Which part of it “my ignorance” ?
            1st, u curse to much and like i said that show where u come from.
            2nd, since u can’t think outside of tplf , that means u r not just ignorance but u r useless.
            3, we were talking about “each ethiopian stats importance will come from the influence they have on economy and voters number they have so if u want talk about that go ahead .

          • Peace!

            Hi Hayat,

            Now that Seyum Mesfen has apologized on your behalf and likes of Rahwa, it is time to come to your sense and salvage what’s left and adopt a new and inclusive tone as things have changed for good regardless of Dr Aby’s.

            Please listen to the good Dr, https://youtu.be/ssOYJpQSTzU?t=44m39s

            Peace!

          • Patriot

            Selam Hayat Adem. One does not have to be a PFDJ cadre to promote hate of the TPLF as there are some 95+ million non-Tigray Ethiopians already waiting in the cue.

          • Peace!

            Hi Hayat,

            The only and obvious difference between PFDJ and TPLF is the latter is now admitting its mistakes and trying to salvage the country from imploding other than what makes a PFDJ supporter different from TPLF supporter? You defended the killings, the 100% election victory, division among people …..I can go on…

            Peace!

          • sara

            Ato Amanuel,
            this time allow me to say some thing you always tell us,why should we bother to talk about Ethiopia while we have so much to do of our own etc… but here-in i see you deeply immersed in Ethiopian affairs…
            or Eritrean issues are closed?
            let the Ethiopians do the discussion on ethipia thus we learn whats going on there..
            with respect.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Sis Sara,

            You are right. I have pleaded for years to stay on our issue and leave the Ethiopian issue for them. I was told that our discussion is not limited within our border. Hence I give up, and it is what is, that made me to go with the flow.

            Actually, if you have noticed it very well, I found Eritreans are at easy and comfortable to debate on their perceived enemy than on the issue that eats their social fabrics. We do not have guts to talk on the issue that is dividing us. To the contrary they search excuses to attribute the cause of our failure. We need the “pills of courage” to talk on the real problem of ours, and I don’t think we are ready to take them, even if we have them in store. So sis, You will see us back and forth endlessly, to talk about Ethiopia more than Ethiopians on their issue. Did you observe us giving “virtual votes” and “virtual consultancy” for Ethiopian leaders on behalf of the Ethiopian people, from people who have not those basic rights in their home. Therefore, it is what it is, about us. I remember in the old days, my physical chemistry teacher at Bahir Dar use to say “speaking to Ato Seleshi is speaking to the wall”, and here speaking to our brothers and sisiters speaking to them to stay on their issue is like speaking to the wall.
            Have a good day.

            Regards

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Daddy issue aside, ur problem is u become a pimp, not just a pimp but old former freedom fighter pimp, u know how it is embarrassing for ur former colleagues?
            Aman h , it’s ok to believe in what ever u think is right but degrading urself as such is not ok . atleast think of ur former colleagues(if u ever been one) felling.

          • Amde

            Ato Teodros,

            Minnew bakih. This is low.. man…tinish siri’at yellem inde?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Am so sorry , i didn’t meant that, they insult a lot but i wasn’t trying to be them.i really respect aman h , he is so fun except his devotion to tplf which make him never mind.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            I know he likes TPLF a lot, but it is coming out of a genuinely good intent.

            Eritreans are lucky they have people like Gash Aman H. He is not hiding behind a nick, he is standing and arguing for better outcome for Eritreans. Plus, he is fighting two fronts – against the Isayyas regime, and for the rights of ethnic minorities in Eritrea.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            There is no dawet his love for tplf but i don’t call his mistrust thing a fight for minorites, it is more like he want the 9 ethnic of eri or the two religion to be on each other throats.
            There is a millions way to respect minorites or majorities rights but aman h way is not one it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            I do not have any love to TPLF. I am arguing on what is good for Ethiopians to maintain their unity – the unity of their components, from the prospective of an honest Eritrean who wishes the stabilities of your country. If all the Ethiopian social groups came to different understanding on how the govern themselves, I am for it as long as it works for the stabilities of your country. Unity and stability that matters in the politics of any nation. Thank you for the honest observation on my political stand on the issues of my country.

            Regard

          • Desbele

            Amde,

            Tedros is an Ethiopian in love with Isayas. I met many his kind in US. They disregard it even if I tell them the hell I personally went through
            in Eritrea.My prescription for them is to live under Isayas just for a year.
            ምከረው ምከረው ፤ እምቢ ካለ ባርነት ይምከረው

          • Amde

            Selam Desbele,

            To be honest I have a hard time categorizing Tedros. The closest thing I can think of is an Eritrean deportee who is still in Ethio. ( Which by definition makes no sense.) I may be wrong though.

            It is surprising to me any Ethiopian, especially in the US with all the information available, could be infatuated with Isayyas.

            Many years ago, it was fashionable to praise Isayyas as at least a leader who loved his country since it was generally accepted that Meles didn’t. But you don’t hear that much anymore.

            I met an ex-TPLF fighter in Addis a while back. We went to visit him at his home and he had EriTV on. So I was curious, and asked him about it. He was gushing about how much progress Isayyas was bringing to Eritrea. I was decidedly speechless.

            I can’t understand that at all. But you are probably right.

            The grass is always greener as they say.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Actually it is not a surprise to find ex-TPLF fighters still love Issias while the opposit is not about Ex-EPLF fighters about meles , That being said at this time there are many oromo and Amhara guys who fall for the Issias trap that ” He at least is not ethnical like meles and his groups ” , Now it is not a surprise some Amhara are saying is issias thing about chifra weyane is true . And i guess you better accept Teodrose to have his own view instead of going hoye hoye with the bad fruit of Tigrian desbele.

          • Amde

            Blink,

            Why is Teodros’ self-identification is acceptable to you but Desbele’s isn’t?
            Unless you know them both personally, it sounds subjective to me.

            Amde

          • Desbele

            Hi Amde,
            I earned my freedom from slavery in Eritrea. That is a night mare for a loyal servant. Oh and telling my story to an Ethiopian is just a bitter bitter irritation.
            BTW, me too is from Addis. Lideta, Geja sefer akababi. The human dimension matters most. Melkam Fasika, cheers

          • Amde

            Hi Desbele,

            Human dimension indeed. ልክ ብለሀል።

            የሽገር ልጅ ለዛው በሽ ነው።

            Lideta area is soooo different now. I dont know when you were there last. I am trying to remember the last time I went into Lideta Mariam church, and it was with my grandfather during HaileSellasie’s time. But man that whole area has become radically different. I am wondering if your friends and old families are still there.

            እንኳን ፆመ ልጓሙን ፈታልህ።
            አንጀትህ ቅቤ እስኪያምርህ ይጠጣ 🙂

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Am what i said i am!.
            And isaias, i think of him a dictator who love his country with dictatorial way.
            Thank u.

          • Amde

            Selam።Teodros ,

            I was absent from this forum for a really long time, and I think you came during that time. So I must have missed how you identify yourself. So what are you?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Born and grow up in addis from gondera family. My families moved to addis as they were younge age and both of them have tigrai blood 1/4% each.but am ethiopian from addis that is it.

          • Amde

            Teodros,

            Sounds like mine and many many thousands of Addis Ababans.

            የት ሰፈር?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Franceye legasioan.
            U know meti ethsat and burtoken medekesa same neighbors.

          • Amde

            Ted.. what!!!

            Wow.. what a coincidence..!!

            So you are by ኬላ? I grew up by እየሱስ!!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            R u kidding me?
            I must have know u , u must have known my family. What generation r u ? Am 07 kebele on the way to wami beratu house but i born near mission school on the way to iasuse.

          • Amde

            Selam Ted,

            WTF አለ ፈረንጅ።

            I was 07 as well. I taught meserete timihrt at Mission School. Once with one of Tilahun Gessesse’s daughters – so pretty the students stopped paying attention haha.

            We lived by ጨፌ.

            I left Ethio during Derg times. I am old enough to remember when number 41 bus started service. The እየሱስ ቄሶች came out in their vestments and crosses to bless its start.

            What a small world.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            U r my older brothers sisters generation, one of my brother use to teach meserete timihirt( in mission before he and tilahun’s son went to sudan) with nestwber tilahun. I remember that when i was a kid. Do u have bro or sis ?

          • Amde

            Selam Ted,

            ወይ ግሩም..

            Yes I taught with Netsuhbirr Telahun.

            Fine name, and beautiful girl.

            Yes i have a number of brothers / sisters. If it is your real name, I will ask if they recall. There was a quite a gap between me and next brother, so I think by the time it was his turn to do some ቀበሌ መሰረተ ትምህርት, the Derg was overthrown.

            Am still laughing such a small world. So strange when።I visit, it feels nothing has changed, and yet a lot has changed. So many more people, construction, taxis etc…. but it still has the ባህር ዛፍ forest and clean air you wont find in the city. I love much of the forest is still there, but so many new people.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Yes tewordos alem is my real name but i left addis by age 15 to egypt and came back after 6 years since i lafte to egypt never spand much time in fernciye except home (u go out and come back at night) . but definitely ur family knows my family if not me.
            It is nice to meet u again.

          • Amde

            Well Teddy የሰፈሬ ልጅ

            መልካም ፋሲካ to you and your family.

            እናንተ ቤት የት ታስፈታላችሁ?
            My mother loves እየሱስ and the newly refurbished ማርያም ቤተክርስትያን።

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            My family too same church. Am not simply yeferncye lig but very very hard core yeferncye lij.
            U too happy Easter and forevery awateist happy easter.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            With due respect, sir,this way of addressing persons in this way is neither dignifying to your nor to this august forum. Respect for one another is respecting our selves as individuals in the first place. The moderators expect us to be our own censors before they become compelled to remind us how to conduct ourselves.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Ismail
            Am so sorry, i didn’t mean to disrespect aman h but i see ur point.

          • sara

            Tedros dear,
            I always read your comments because it have something different, this time though not the usual you, please stay (talk) as Ethiopian as we know them.

          • Peace!

            Hi Sara,

            When it comes to praising, the discussion is not limited within our border.

            Peace!

          • blink

            Dear Sara
            Just a remainder , Mr.Amanuel has been writing about Eritrea and most of them are accusing the highlanders of ethnic hegemony and other thing on his to do list is distributing lies about EPLF . The man views about Eritrea is no use , his views are all about waging war between Eritreans , so let him protect his beloved TPLF .

            what is the reason for an ex-ELF fighter to spend too much of his so called Justice thing in defending weyane ? what could he possibly got from his travel to Ethiopia ?The man does not care about justice to Oromo or Amhara or any other than his TPLF and the meles picture at his views. A man who die to defend meles while dumping the dying men from Oromo and Amhara should not be expected to talk about justice to Eritreans.

          • Patriot

            Thanks Hayat Adem for the nice story. Sorry if you had to repeat classes. Local economic contributions to the nation as pertains to Tigray are significantly skewed as most people from Tigray have invested in other regions of Ethiopia and not in Tigray. It is only in other regions of Ethiopia where people from Tigray can use their connections with the TPPLF and the TPLF controlled security apparatus, to give them preferential treatment regarding investment processes and land acquisition. Go to any corner of Ethiopia and you will see droves of people from Tigray that have grabbed land.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            I never heard the story of the word “entire” before till just now and it is funny. Funny in another way, sometimes you assume probabilities are heavily in your favor and bam those least expected take the center stage.
            .
            How did you find this (T.Alem) Ethiopian Nitricc so easily. He is a factory of bad theories, I wonder where he gets the raw materials.
            Ask him to answer you quickly what the noun of “entire” is. He probably will tell you it should be “entiration” and bring in volumes of bad theories.
            You see, you listened early. He does not hear.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Tell me what i didn’t heard? It is funny u guys accuse other for being hateful. U can’t even accuse Hitler for being hateful because u guys r weak hitlers urself. If u have a means and a power u guys r worst than him.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            .
            Oh Boy!, Did you forget Mussolini in your factory?
            In answer to your question, I could tell you but I seem to remember one of the guidelines of Awate forum might come in to play. So I will pass.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            You make me laugh. TA has really a theory? Let alone a theory, sometimes I can’t even understand, what Hayat calls it “words and phrases” that explain nothing. Come on Kim. O’boy you call him the Nitricc of Ethiopia? In Nitricc, you read sometimes sensible and rational arguments, though he is a diehard of the regime. Sure enough, you will find differences between the two.

            Regsrds

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Is that a joke?
            If it is, it must be a miserable, looser joke. If u don’t understand me , don’t bother.

          • Amde

            Your Majesty,

            I see nothing wrong with “entiration”

            Mary J Blige made a killing crooning about “Hateration”

            .. and all words that end with -ation….

            Amdenation

          • saay7

            Amdenation:

            But that’s conditionally: if you are in a dancerie (which may or may not be a word, if you are or not using an “urban” dictionary):

            Don’t need no hateration, holleration
            In this dancerie
            Let’s get it percolatin’, while you’re waiting

            Indeed.

            saay

          • Amde

            signore saaysettetion

            oh no me don’t agree..
            no to conditionality..
            not just a dancerie..

            oh yes to entiration
            for the nation.
            not yet at saturation..
            believe me..

            oh no no hateration..
            do we need liberation
            some robust action
            do we need a new ghedli?.

          • Patriot

            Selam Hayat Adem. You simply do not see any non-Tigray investing in Tigray region. However, many Tigray have invested and economically exploited other regions in Ethiopia. Many people are simply sick of Tigray land grabbing that has long gone uncontrolled.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Tedros Alem,
            .
            We have a constitution and as constitution go we can all debate about it. The potential one ethnic domination of the others is what the constitution dealt with. Can it be changed, of course with amendments.
            .
            Hillary Clinton received 3+million American voters in 2016 but Donald Trump became the President. Reason is constitution values the small States to have some say.
            .
            You know what will be good for EPRDF? At least invite the Somali State to be the 5th member. It dilutes the authority of the 4 and brings in millions to their side.
            .
            I think I am looking for the best interest of Ethiopia, not just Tigray. Did I ever tell you I am a Shoa Amhara, for what it is worth.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam Mr.KH,

            The best thing is for EPRDF to die and for issues to be discussed by the people’s freely elected representatives in Parliament, rather than unknown party functionaries who gained their position in the council simply for being deemed useful for some party boss or another.

            Some of them are so clueless and arrogant that they proposed the Parliamentarians who voted against the SOE should be dismissed.

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            I think I have to take issue with that. All we have at this point is EPRDF that is governing the land.
            The recent actions it took indicates to me it responds to the peoples demands.
            I always like to know where I land before I jump. We are in a very precarious position now. For good or for bad the current system is all we have and it has gotten us to where we are in development, at least. However, imperfect as it is I would like it to continue, finishing the GERD, the railway connections, Lampasu port in Kenya. Perhaps by that time more educated people in the system or other system will take its place.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam Mr. KH,

            That is a very understandable position and we will obviously not change overnight

            But conceptually speaking, adding ethnic parties with voting power disproportionate to the share of the population they represent to a non-constitutional body, i.e. EPRDF
            A) makes the parliament (including the theoretical principles it is based on) redundant, and
            B) over the long term just breed discontent by the large ethnic blocks (the 65% Amara and Oromo) as simply being a ploy to swamp their voices.

            Either the system is built on One-Person-One-Vote (the constitutional Parliamentary system), or it is One-Language-One-Vote (the EPRDF system). EPRDF’s one party state and the Parliamentary system as written in the constitution are irreconcilable. One will die. Actually one can say Parliament is dead now.

            Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Gash Amde and Gash Kim Hanna,

            Let me borrow the term (word) SG had used in his excellent article in relation to the election of Dr. Abiy. I envy you discussing what the working constitution in your country allows and not allows, and what possible alternatives are available. In my country, such matters could only be imagined in the realm of mental luxuries bordering on fantasies. We are as divided as we had started the long journey that is still in midway; we hoist and salute two flags; we have a regime that denies families the human right to bring the remains of their loved ones to rest in soils of places they call home; we have opposition that failed to agree on definition of the cause they cherish etc.

            I think you and your compatriots should appreciate the change your country has seen since the end of the centuries old imperial order. The toil, the blood and sweat of Ethiopians did not go in vain. In multi-national and multi-religious nation states social and political transformations need time and have to pass through many phases. National unity and nation/state building processes need considered mechanisms and dynamics to move forward under guidance of sustainable governance system. Despite loopholes and hurdles, Ethiopia is on reasonably commenable track.

            Hoping that I won’t sound to you as a pontiff haranguing unsolicited Sunday afternoon cermon, I think Ethiopia like countries elsewhere passing through similar stages of transformation, needs time to mature to advanced political/governance stages before political parties would compete to govern as parliamentary coalition majority or single winning parties. Expansion of infrastructural linkages of regions would enhance economic integration which would in turn give way to supremacy of material welfare and better standard of living and lead to subordination of socio-ethnic sentiments.

            Realistic and under the circumstances appraisal of the current economic and governance scene in Ethiopia would deliver (in my humble judgement i.e.) that considerable transformation has occured. Coming on the aftermath of costly 16 years rule of the Derg, the EPRDF coalition has preserved the unity of country after the separation of Eritrea. The ethnicity based federal system and the constitution on which it rests has given the country time to practice democratic process despite imperfections. I think there was not other option at the critical juncture when the Derg left a vacuum save formation of the the coalition. It’s one of the natures of politics and politicians to fall in follies in conditions of transitional state formations especially involving desparate diversities.

            Perhaps, the mistake of the EPRDF coalition rests in the fact that it has over stayed, and the measures it has come to undertake by way of pressures from popular grienvances, should have set in process after the controversial election of 2005. By the run up phase of the next election, Dr. Abiy’s team and the coalition partners would be well advised to lay down convincing plan to set country on track to more democratization that could open the stage to transformation to authentic parliamentary rule based not on ethnic blocks power sharing governance structure but one based on economic stakes that incentivize citizens to exit social and affiliation enclaves for the sake of decent standard of living capable of supporting better education of their children.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Ismael AA,

            The day that I say you are haranguing me, I give you permission to poke my eye out. ( Just one.. since I need the other one to keep reading you).

            I understand the concern of looking for an EPRDF breakup (definitely sounds reckless).

            I am looking at the perspectives of:
            a) the average Ethiopian and the advancement of her rights,
            b) the change of venue of politics from party intrigue to constitutional body like the parliament,
            c) the nature of political competition and ethnic groups.

            I feel that the EPRDF system is delaying or reversing developments in each of those spheres. And, structurally, there is no incentive for any of the constituent parties to support a process of advancement on anything on that score.

            A) on the issue of personal and political rights, people can be and are regularly detained for no good reason. Political opposition is constantly suppressed. The parliaments journey from the strong opposition contingent of 2005 to the meto-be-meto of now is a reminder of backward travel, not advancement. In effect, EPRDF told the people that politics is a privilege for its members, not a citizen’s right.

            B) With the shutting off of political diversity in parliament, “politics” becomes more or less palace intrigue for a new elite. And with parliament rendered useless, elite factions grew around fantastic crony capitalist deals, now with entrenched economic interests to maintain. EPRDF’s justifiable economic growth claim has been rendered as a benefit for this new elite.

            C) The constitution established a scheme of demographic (ethnic) representation, which then would meet in parliament to discuss and decide the people’s business. However, actual decisions are made in the EPRDF which in its dis-/non-/mis-representation of the country’s diversity, and in its opaque decision making rules, means the constitutional scheme is not fully implemented and hence untested. It is for all intents and purposes, put on a freezer. I personally think the system rewards the large over the small over time, and the nature of the federation and the houses of parliament need to be developed further. In any case, supremacy of EPRDF over the constitution means many of the provisions remain theoretical and wishful. And worse, it has deluded the political elite into thinking the written but frozen system is fine. Some of the best laughs I had recently was reading the shrill cries to end ethnic Federation made by stalwart TPLF supporters when they started realizing the import of OPDO’s rise.

            In aggregate, EPRDF’s continuance as a “Cartel” of political monopolies keeps pulling the country to more crisis. The twin forces of self-interest and competition among themselves means they are structurally disinclined to allow any liberalization. It has been years since they have been telling the public of their ጥልቅ, በጣም-ጥልቅ, and ሱፐር-በጣም-ጥልቅ ግምገማs that always told them the same thing… namely … በስብሰናል። I believe some of them are sincere in wanting change, but the structure of EPRDF itself prevents them from changing.

            Thus, with personal liberties being chipped away, decisions made by an unelected increasingly corrupt elite, and supposed constitutional safeguards evidently non-existent, people do what usually brings attention – they riot.

            I feel Dr. Abiy has some sincerity. I really get the sense OPDO is the one party that has looked at the possibility of walking away from the front and making itself viable for a post-EPRDF future. Still, unless it aims to strike out as a national party, the easiest route is to stay within EPRDF.

            You are right – It is just amazing how every year, it appears 2005 was even more such a wasted opportunity.

            Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Amde,

            Your thoughts about Ethiopia’s affairs at the current might turn out to be crucial watershed (for good or worse) of its modern political history are amazingly mature. I am putting my bet on the good because I am aware that Ethiopia is blessed by having millions of Amdes. Many obervers like me believe Dr. Abiy belongs to this generation of Ethiopians since he has entrusted with the mission which this critical state office embodies by the impact the power of youthful generation has applied.

            Having said that, moreover, I agree with everything you have graced me in your response. They are expressed and robustly argued from the perspective of informed concern of a citizen that has the ultimate stakes of his nation at heart. The point I duly take home is that your demands and criticisms balance the equation of political and material advancement and preservation of the unity of your country. The difference between casual and outside observer like my self and Amde is that while Amde skillfully calibrates the internal specifics and details with the general, the external observer tends to look at the broader aspects of issues.

            My views about Ethiopian affairs tend to be tempered by my modest knowledge of Ethiopian history. I consider major current developments in the background of the country’s extremely diverse components on the one hand, and the impact of breakdown of central authority could have on the unity of the country, on the other. I learned lessons Ethiopian history about the havoc the periods of interregnums had causes.

            From the down fall of he Axum and ascendance of the Zagwe’s had rendered the people of that period “sleep for thousand years forgetful of the world by whom they were forgotten”, to quote the British historian, Edward Gibbon. You know what happened from 1769 to 1855 when authority at the court of Gonder weakened and the warlords of the peripheries plunged the country to endless turmoil and devastation of the peasantry. For any worthy Ethiopian, thus, preservation of the country within its current boundaries should be at the center of his concern.

            Now, to jump back from this digression, I am aware how continuation of status quo could lead to political paralysis and block meaningful change. The EPRDF has demonstrably shown that its prolonged stay in power, and failure to take note of the ramifications the election of 2005 had produced, had relegated it to the realm of political and ideological anachronism for which had been compelled to pay by allowing ambitious and educated politicians like Dr. Abiy and Lemma Megersa and many others among other constituencies to take their chances.

            From now on, I hardly believe the coalition could act as a political “cartel”, to borrow your term if I may. I mean to say that the EPRDF may not be able, if Dr.Abiy and his team along with the youth would play their roles judiciously, to ignore the interplay of the three points you have listed at the beginning of your post. Under astute leadership that operates within well-considered and phased task programs, the delaying tactics of status quo upholders would be undermined by well orchestrated participation of rights and economic benefit seekers. If this scenario picks pace, I believe the next election would come with visible signal that next parliament would be a platforum for political-ideological balances at the expense of ethnic horse trading. Once this become a reality constitutional changes underscoring personal rights and duties of citizen would be possible.

            With heartfelt gratitude for reserving time to respond to my cursory notes.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            What makes u think somali(not abdi eli) interest will be more protected with tigrai than oromia or amara or south. U always say u r “shoa amara” .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            In order the opposition to be formidable opposition to challenge EPRDF, they must form a front-party like EPRDF. Otherwise, to win the premiership of the central government is impractical, like being G7 of the amhara or like the OLF of the Oromia…et al. The opposition must read correctly the realities of their nation and act accordingly to win the highest office of their land.

            Ethiopians can not form a single party from all their social groups. The reasons why they opted the current Federalism, are the reasons why they could not form a single party from all their social groups. EPRDF knew it from the get-go, that each party could not win the office of premiership without forming a front.

            Regard

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Abraham,
      These is a party to party relationship. It is not a law. Parties tend to form a coalition based on shared ideology. They are assumed to be equal on their loyalty to that ideology. They represent an idea not voters. No ideology is a mirror of the size of an assumed constituency or resources. The other point in considerationvis their vision to become one party in a process in which case it will be an issue of individual merit within same ideology and objectives.
      Another way to look at it is through the notion of federalism. US states have equal representation in the Senate regardless of size. The State if Arkansas has the same power in the Senate as California.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Hayat A., yes, parties tend to form coalitions based on their shared ideologies; but those coalitions are also the reflection of their respective power base. Normally parties that are in a coalition do not agree 100% on every policy, but it is a give and take process. Anyway what I wanted to say is that if one of the current problems within Ethiopian politics is because of the TPLF amassing more power than the size of its constituency/Tigray, then one way of dealing with that is by devisig a fairer power distribution within the EPRDF itself that reflects the size of each of the constituencies.
        Regarding the equal representation that you refered to, Ethiopia already has a second house, the House of Federation where every Killil is equally represented.
        Now imagine a scenario, what if the OPDO, ANDM, and SEPDM join hands and present a proposal for reforming the make up the EPRDF organs so that they reflect the size of their populations? They have a clear majority even in the existing EPRDF system and hence could pass that proposal regardless of the TPLF stance. Then what would the Tplfites do, walk away from the coalition?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abraham,

          Alliances is not dictated by the whim of others. The terms and agreements of alliance is determined by those who enters to the alliance. If the four parties saw and found it that the current sharing power is the only way that could hold their alliance, and they went for it to wield their powers, nothing will change their course as far as the common interest attained. Alliances are made also to answer to the situation of their country. By that it means the interest and unity of their country overrides the parties individual interest. EPRDF’s alliance fits to this bills of agreements. Hayat gave you a good example to show that agreements are done to address crucial differences to keep the unity of a country. You see brother, in the US when they design the current Federal government there was a big hurdles on how the small and big states share power at the central government. Irrespective their sizes and their population they agree the small states to have equal representation in one of their bicameral legislative branch of the central government. Is it democratic? Yes as far as they voted legislatively at that time, in order to ensure the state of the union of the states that form the Federal arrangements. EPRF alliance agreement are done to address the realities of their country.

          Regard

          • Kbrom

            Dear Emma, I have been following your back and forth with AH.

            If I may:

            Very true that the ‘terms and agreements of alliance is determined by those who enters to the alliance’. However the time gap between the original agreement, the state of the country, and the organisational dynamics determines the volatility of the terms and agreements.

            I think EPRDF’s main challenge would come from within its member organisations mainly OPDO, ANDM and may be SEPDM . The reason for that is that the current EPRDF its terms and agreements, (not only the written one but mainly the tacit one) and de facto hierarchy that allowed TPLF to be the God Father, is today outdated.

            EPRDF’s problem is exactly as that of UN’s problem which was created on the 24th of October 1945 and is trying to govern twenty-first century realities of the globalised world by its outdated structure. EPRDF as UN today is left ill-equipped to deal with the new political landscape of Ethiopia.

            As we all know, TPLF created the other three organisations from its war prisoners, at one time it was even contemplating to hand them over to OLF. Th EPRDF was formed by the power of the TPLF, it was the TPLF who fought and won the tough challenges. (Un)fortunately 27 years later every thing has changed, the organisations are no more a satellite orgs that are created from its POWs, they have started to challenge the status quo, their people have started to see them as their representative, the internal dynamism is calling for new structure that suits “modern times reality” of Ethiopia.

            I think last month’s developments mirror the urge for more representative, legitimate and effective EPRDF that reflects the new reality. The coalition loyalty is being shaken, the rule of the game which use to be a centralised democracy with the political culture of consensus, is shifting towards what some people call “confidence and supply” arrangement which threatens to oppose some coalition’s policy and vote against it; for example, the power struggle and OPDO’s disobedience, ANDM’s quest of Welqayet, some Killil’s resistance to SOE etc.

            Thus, I think the new reality is clearly signalling to the TPLF that it is unrealistic to assume that the old mindsets would still govern the coalitions’ terms and agreement. Unless and otherwise the TPLF realise the need for across-the-board drastic reform and redistribution of power and reduce its hegemony the fact that you mentioned (equitably represented council) will not resolve the looming mistrust.

            Happy to hear your voice Emma!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            Name 1 person outside of abadula pow ( war prisoners)?

          • Kbrom

            Dear Teodros,

            I am not sure what are you trying to state by posing that question, if your question is related to my previous post please read it within this frame.

            What I was trying to state is that the alliance or rainbow coalition, if you will, that was formed in the end of 90’s was created in a different reality that was rightly dominated by the TPLF. TPLF was not clear in its objective cleaved itself over its dual mission of fighting for the independence of Tigray (Liberation Front ) and the later briskly
            developed notion of controlling and ruling Ethiopia.The later objective was articulated parallel to the fierce wars in Deghabur, Debretabur etc. It was only at that time that TPLF hastily opted to form an alliance that makes it look a Pan Ethiopian, and to start with it formed the ANDM, OPDO and later SPDO mainly from its and EPLF’s POW’S.

            This is a historical fact that we can not contest, if we do we are dead wrong!

            Due to this fact, historically the organisational culture of EPRDF was founded and built to reflect this reality. TPLF the winner and the creator, overtly or covertly dictated the terms and agreements; because like in any negotiations, the power and influence of the negotiators on the ground has an impact on the dynamism of the relation.

            Thus, until recently the coalition has its collective values, beliefs and principles which respects TPLF as the owner, founder and the de facto big brother of EPRDF. When I mentioned that the organisations were setup using the POW you asked me to name any except Abadula Ghemeda. This is tantamount to say show me a single member of the UN leadership who participated in the second world war and is running the UN if some one tells you the outdated structure of the UN which was formed after WWII is outworn.

            it is about organisational culture that has been inherited, it is not about counting the current personalities with POW background. What you missed in here is the premises that I was talking about. Historically the alliance was framed on that reality, then the pattern of such psychological make up, collective behaviours and assumptions continued to accept the TPLF as the big brother. It became like a family relations. because everyone knows every one during the struggle era. That norm was taught to new organisational members including people like Abiy who joined OPDO since he was 15 as a way of perceiving and, even, thinking and feeling.

            Today that reality has changed, the historical patterns of the TPLF’s dominations is fading out due to several factors including time, power balance, external factors, and domination fatigue. The subsystem of member organisations that severed OPDO, ANDM and other’s functional systems, the deep rooted values of the respective TPLF dominated EPRDF cultures, and these cultural values that shaped how people should expect TPLF to lead EPRDF and that the member orgs should listen to TPLF, the untold hierarchal relationships between the alliances which takes TPLF as leader and OPDO, ANDM as followers is coming to an end.

            My conclusion was that if EPRDF does not transfer itself into a new structure that suits this reality then it might lead to ideological, organisational and functional unfeasibility

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            I didn’t read the whole of ur comment.
            One thing i can tell u is that, propaganda and realty is to different thing.
            There was a group called epdm before eprdf. And the founders of opdo and south came most of them from epdm. Thank u

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kbromay,

            From my reading, the mistrust within the social groups is not yet subsided. To build a single party with constituents from all the social components is still unrealistic in the current Ethiopia. Could you think realistically the OPDO party could go to the Somali kilil or to Tigray Kilil or to Amara Kilil to enroll members? The same with TPLF, ANDM and others. Just think about it. In theory they can, but in practice they can not even enroll a single person. If you could agree on this fact with me, why would they need to disassemble their alliances? You see Kbromay, to desire something is one thing. But what their situation on the ground demands is another thing. Just think about the three weeks debates of EPRDF to elect a PM and to revisit their alliances to make changes. If there was maturity of the “objective realities” for the changes you are talking about (a) they shouldn’t come out with a continued commitment to their alliances (b) their conferences wouldn’t last that long, for three weeks. It is not as easy talk from a distance, to agree and govern a diversified society like Ethiopia where the party’s members and bases are constituted from single social group.

            Remember, what Abay Tsehaye warned in his speech, referring to the alliance (I am sure you listened it in Y-tube). Abay has indicated that, if they don’t agree on how to hold the unity of the country, any state can trigger article-39 of their constitution. So brother, If they let it go their disagreement unresolved, it will be dangerous for the nation and its people. I admire the leadership of EPRDF for their wisdom and overcoming their disagreement with continued debates and resolutions. In their final resolutions, they were not dictated by the interest of the individual parties, rather by the interest of their nation and the circumstances that dictated them on the ground.

            Kbromay, unfortunately, we have different feed backs and different understanding to the reading on the ground, and the way out for the Ethiopian people to stay united and continue on the same trajectory in their economic development. Concerning the oppositions, there is no other way to be formidable opposition to EPRDF, than forming similar alliances like them. If you remember the 2005 election, they challenged them by forming alliances ( I do not remember the name of the alliance now). But surprisingly won 200 seats that shook EPRDF. Image if the opposition took the seats in the parliament and continued to compete the 2010 election cycle, surely they would have won more seats. But… but, the opposition opted to challenge the result and incited the public, and the rest is history. If they would have controlled their egos to go for incremental success, it would have been good for them and good for Ethiopia.

            regards

          • Kbrom

            Kburn hfurn haw

            What an excellent analysis Emma

            I do agree with most of your points. Having a meeting, that is thorough and transparent with deep evaluation and yet coming as a unitary organisation is beyond many political organisations and coalitions ability. That is why time and again I say let’s not underestimate the TPLF’s capability.

            When the Eritrean regime was going backward the EPRDF leaped forward towards building a culture of a civilised political discussion. Forget the political organisations, look at the discussions by Tigrean people in diaspora, the degree of their tolerance, the out of box thinking. Recently they were calling their government to give Badme as it is affecting the life of the Tigray’s people. Compare this to any Eritrean Diaspora’s discussion, if one says why do not we have dialogue with the Tigrayan people, he will be barraged by endless insult of weyane, CIA.

            Have you read Amanuel Sahle’s brilliant article in which he said an Eritrean teen-ager 14 years old crossed the border to Ethiopia, surprised by her young age the Tigray officers asked the Eritrean girl how she managed to pass the Ethiopian Defence Forces without being noticed to which she replied ረሳሕ መሳሕ ተኸዲነ ዓጋመ መሲለ ሓሊፈዮም look how degraded. arrogant approach is PFDJ nurturing.

            I do agree with your second point, what I am worried about is the disintegration of Ethiopia. I do not know if it is true that the EPRDF have ‘a continued commitment to their alliances’ as you stated.

            As I posted somewhere the reality has changed, the historical patterns of the TPLF’s dominations is fading out due to several factors including time, power balance, external factors, and domination fatigue. The subsystem of member organisations that severed OPDO, ANDM and other’s functional systems, the deep rooted values of the respective TPLF dominated EPRDF cultures, and these cultural values that shaped how people should expect TPLF to lead EPRDF and that the member orgs should listen to TPLF, the untold hierarchal relationships between the alliances which takes TPLF as leader and OPDO, ANDM as followers is coming to an end.

            Where is this going to head I really do not know, though I have the confidence on the skills of the leadership, the threat of Ethiopia’s disintegration is not ruled out. Calls or implications of article 39 from leaders including Abay Tsehaye and President of Somali Abdi is something that should worry all.

            Concerning the oppositions, I totally agree with your points. I think the name that you are looking for is ቅንጅት።

            Thank you Emma for the insightful analysis

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibromay,

            I am not close to you in political analysis, though one would think, one who is trained in analytical chemistry, would do better. Thank you for the daily lessons and alternative perspectives, I am learning from broad mind like you. Remember, in a civilized debate, even if we don’t agree, it help us to enrich our ideas with reasons and logics in the effort to make our counterparts to understand us in a crystal clear. Very few with whom I disagree, but I still learn from them, even if it does not change the principles I stood for and the political philosophy of the common good I am versed with. Recently, many well meaning educated Eritreans and Ethiopians are joining this forum, and I have great hope that we will come to some common understanding to bring the two brotherly people to some kind of normalcy.

            Second, you mentioned the “tolerance” of the tigrian people and TPLF organization they are exhibiting. Indeed you are right on that human qualities. If they wouldn’t posses that admirable quality, they couldn’t engage each other to a lengthy debate and deliberations to settle very difficulty issue to their organizations in particular and the nation in general.
            I really envy their political culture. Just think for a minute about the splinters of TPLF like Siye. If it would have been in Eritrea, they would have been disappeared from the scene and liquidated like our heroes. In order to change the current culture in our body politics (a) we have to introduce the culture of tolerance to change our “እንጣጢዓዊ ጠባይ” that rushes for fighting (b) arrogance is the worst disease we are afflicted with. Arrogance does not help to have a healthy communication to understand each other

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. I am sure you are also convinced that the TPLF exhibited ‘tolerance’ during the post 2005 aftermath.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Abraham,
          With all due respect, you got this notion off mark. Parties are about all ideational powers, technically different from legislative and executive powers. You cannot reason out a claim such that the validity of ideas are dependent on a size of power base. In the same logic Tplf’s ideology should be able to find support of like minded in Oromia, and Opdo in Tigray. The only reason Tplf operates in Tigray has to do with technical and tactical justifications related to matters of efficiency and productivity. The same with rest of the coalition partners.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat A, so you think that the tplf can operate in the other Killils and get any meaningful folllowing? Likewise the other parts of the eprdf in other regions than their home killils? Well, sorry, I cannot continue this back and forth, as I cannot engage in the debate of “ዓይኒ ኣንቁሪ”. But mark my word, the next struggle is going to be for a better EPRDF by barbering the power of the tplf to fit their size within the Ethiopian population.

    • Kaddis

      Dear Abraham,
      Assuming you raised this on good intentions (most who raised similar issues were on the racist side) ; your assumption bases as if all Oromos support OPDO so it needs to represent their numbers. The same for Amhara and their party. In fact TPLF has more supporters from Tigray than any other regional party. Percentage wise.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Kaddis, I’m, of course, raising this issue out of my wish for better democracy than any other malice or racist views towards the TPLF. I think, one of the main concerns of the revolting Ethiopian people’s at this time is the domination of political and, military and economic power by the TPLF leaders. I’m just presenting my view on how to contain the excesses of these officials through reforming the eprdf. Yes, the opdo and andm may not have the entire support of their respective populations, but within the eprdf system they are seen as representatives of those peoples, aren’t they? Who governs Oromia, Amara and the Southern regions, aren’t they the respective member parties of the eprdf?

        • Kaddis

          Selam Abraham
          So if you don’t have the data how many support one has in their region, it has to stop there. The size of their region doesn’t reflect their support base; politically speaking. Unlike many, who assume weakened TPLF helps the politics, Lemma valued the trust his party given though a late comer. At least at this moment. In any case we are not in a position as non members

        • saay7

          Abraham:

          The EPRDF may have stumbled itself into a solution here.

          I begin with this premise: if you don’t agree with it you won’t agree with my conclusions.

          EPRDF is a cartel of political organizations, with each allowed to excercise its political monopoly in a defined jurisdiction. Because of the way EPRDF was formed, it had senior (TPLF) and junior (the other three) partners. The 2016-2018 “unrest” is about two of the junior partners asserting themselves to achieve full partnership. So now with OPDO in the front (if not the driving) seat, a measure of that has occurred. Outside EPRDF, there are EPRDF-allied orgs excercising their monopolies in Somali State and Afar.

          So it turns out that in Ethiopia the resistance was not against ethnic federalism (except for the Amdes and Kaddises); it was ethnic federalism dominated by TPLF they were against. So notwithstanding all the sweet words from Abiy about opening up the space to the opposition, he doesn’t have the incentive to do it. And Ethiopia may have stumbled upon a solution. The “gradual democracy” is about TPLF gradually loosening the reins of EPRDF.

          saay

          • Amde

            Selam saay,

            Actually this petty bourgeois agrees with you a lot. Cartel is an excellent characterization.

            Yes, what one can say about what happened is the gradual changing of the pecking order within EPRDF. Which is a franchise of defined political territories “አትምጣብኝ.. አልምጣብህ..”.

            Setting aside “democracy” as we understand it, I think we may be on the cusp of truly seeing Ethnic Federation as designed, not as pretended.

            My bet is, it will devolve into a system that rewards the larger at the expense of the smaller. Can’t escape logic of the numbers.

            What is interesting to me is, the noises from some OPDO supporters who think they will not be surprised if Lemma were to start taking steps to loosen the Killil model of the federation. Color me skeptical, as that would constitute potential exposure to political suicide.

            But I am constantly being surprised, and it seems I have misjudged the depth of feeling among the Oromo of being economically dispossessed in Shewa, and ethnically displaced in Ethio-Somali.

            PM Abiy has announced going to Jigjiga probably as soon as next week, supposedly to calm down the feelings of animosity between the two communities. There are many Oromos who are crowing that he is going there to lay down the law, but methinks that could be done much better with a few choice phone calls and messages. It just shows how much of a tinderbox the situation is. So, keep an eye on that one..

            Big picture though, just like the Amara, the Oromo gain nothing with ethnic federation that their numbers and geographic spread cannot give them with a “democratic” system any which way it is constituted.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            So now what do you think happens to the ድምፃችን ይሰማ; Rainbow, Oromo Federalists? The Eritrea-based oppo (Ginbot 7, Arbegnoch, Benishangul, TPDM ? (Bless their heart, they had a video recorded with the title “Live from Eritrea” title just when the Monitoring Group on Somalia Eritrea will produce an interim report which will document the presence of armed Ethiopian groups in Eritrea is a violation of the UN resolution.)

            saay

          • Amde

            Selam saay,

            More of the same.. but gentler.

            Whether Da Sisters love or hate each other, they are tied by existential selfinterest of not allowing competition in their franchise territory. Simple as that.

            Non-political movements may find their issues addressed in part or in whole. ድምጻችን ይሰማ as far as I know is not a political organization, so they could get some things addressed.

            Legal opposition like OFC could have more space to operate. I don’t see how it is in OPDO’s interest in giving up its 100% power without a fight. But no question, OPDO appears the most prepared for a free/fair competition if that were to happen. It has leaders who are perfecting the skills of appealing to the public, for which they were accused of being populists.

            TPLF allowing Arena some traction?Unlikely. ANDM allowing a gaggle of Amara ethnicist and Ethio nationalist parties to beat it up?
            Highly unlikely.

            Imagine, if it was so hard to open up power within EPRDF, how difficult it would be to allow the Legal Opposition any space.

            The Eri based ILLEGAL armed opposition are in a hopeless situation, especially if “the new” EPRDF plays the “gentle” card. Like releasing prisoners as it did today.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Nice Amde:

            I thought after they came up with the ATP they told ድምፃችን ይሰማ “ኣይ! ድምፃችሁም በፍፁም አይሰማም” How are they freeing the prisoners they told the world are violators of the ATP? Is the ATP still the law? That (telling the world bloggers are terrorists) was one of the lowest points of Hailemariam Desalegn.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            Ah.. the releases…

            Orthodox Easter this weekend.
            And the new boss has to show some leverage so best time to do it.

            I can’t tell you how mad it makes me to see the these young kids being yoyoed in and out of prison just for blogging.

            One of them, I think he goes by the twitter handle @befeqe has been doing interviews of released political prisoners. I think they get posted on EthioTube. They talk about their torture, but then tell you how there are so many more whose detentions were longer, and their tortures so much worse, that they think it unseemly to talk about their hurt.

            There is another guy, who goes to court to (I think Belay Manaye) who chronicles their court appearances.
            And there is another girl…

            Many of those released today were ones that re-arrested two weeks ago, after being released a month or so ago.

            At least they had some public persona which gave them activist attention eventually leading to their release. But there are thousands upon thousands of nameless prisoners all over, whose fate no one knows.

            I think of them, and then look at a bunch of old men who set up the system and expecting to be thanked for something they did a generation ago, and I say …nope.

            Let’s hope they stay out.

            መልካም ፋሲካ

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Saay
            what will the so called Somalia Eritrea Monitoring group say about Eritrean armed opposition in Ethiopia ? How is Afar opposition different from G-7 in the group you keep mentioning ? is the afar armed group bullets not going to kill any person of your non concern body

          • saay7

            Selam Blink:

            The “so called Somalia Eritrea Monitoring group” will say nothing about the Eritrean armed opposition in Ethiopia because it doesn’t have the mandate to do so.

            When people ask these questions, I often wonder if they do it out of ignorance or anger. I mean the mandate of the monitoring group (just because you call them “so-called” doesn’t change the fact that they are:) is public information, one google away.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Saay
            what mandate is that ? ahmm google away, if people googled about the monitoring group work, guess what they will find out? the group did not find a single evidence against Eritrea except a fabricated lies by weyane and one time by kenya about a plane flying from Eritrea landing in Somalia , guess who will buy such news ,Martin Plaut , can any one accuse this so called honest journalist as ignorant and angry . These people are there just to collect cheques nothing more . Eritrea has nothing to do with Al shabab but Ethiopia does . Mandate , how long is fabricating game to stay as mandate ? The Al shebab and Eritrea thing is just a dead issue and it should not really matter as G-7 are in Eritrea by 1000ds of them and it does not matter what you say about them because their voice matter to Ethiopians as the Afar voice matter to Eritreans . I pity these people who still lean to monitoring group

          • saay7

            Haha Blink:

            Read the mandate: they are also kind enough to summarize it in their reports.

            I know you are still enjoying your myth (the Monitoring Group found nothing!) because Eritreans have become experts at self deception. The Monitoring Group is checking into compliance with two resolutions of 2009 and 2011 (it’s no longer just Somalia and Djibouti but a long list) and topping it is: allow the Monitoring Group access to Eritrea to conduct investigation. For as long as the Government of Eritrea says no, each Monitoring Group report will always begin with that: hey, UN, despite your directives, Eritrea says no. (And it will say no because it has so many skeletons buried everywhere.)

            After that begins the litany including Ethiopian armed groups in Eritrea, which is a direct violation and which the government allows the armed groups to advertise on YouTube only to officially say “it is all fabrication!” In short, you guys still think this is 2009 when it is 2018;)

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Saay
            I think the monitoring thing should have started to investigate the prison containers and also the unjustified arrest , disappearance of innocent Eritreans because these are real issues that can be proved beyond any skeletons of any thing but this Somalia and Eritrea , dijubuit and so so many are just a place to collect UN money nothing more nothing less. The mandate is written by Susan rice , frezer, syum mesfin and so many other lairs and these mandates does not concern Eritreans at all. It is all lies and what ever the UN mandate says is all second leg of weyane propaganda . who are these you saying ” you guys still think this is 2009 when it is 2018 ” PFDJ are in a very strong position now than in 2009 and i think we all know this .

          • saay7

            Hey Blink:

            It just so happens there is another UN Monitoring Group (Special Rapparteur) who is mandated to do what you are suggesting the UN do. But they too were denied and the same people who were howling against the SEMG are howling against the SR.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Saay
            Yes , i know about that and i read their 86 page 2017 report . In their report someone can read all about ID card and even road from Asmara to other cities and also there is a paragraph about Eritreans wedding and so many things .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Amara nothing gain from ethnic federalism is misleading most people and put themselves in this mess. I see 3 kind of amara. 1, those who live in amara kilil, they have nothing to lose from ethinc federalism but gain a lot( it is a living proof) 2, amara in addis , they r nothing to lose or gain as long as the federalism implemented democratically.3 , amara in the rest of others kilil they r the one this constitution target them.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            How would things be different for someone in Debre Tabor if he lives in the Federal State of Amara vs the Federal State of Gonder?

            IF (big IF) he can choose who represents and administers him, how does it matter either way?

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I was talking about the present constitution.
            But that will be the same if the federal state is gonder or amara , no big difference.
            The mian different will be if u see it with the unity of ethiopia eye. I mean there will be a difference in terms of decreasing ethnic nationalism and increase ethiopiawenet.

          • Amde

            Teodros,

            Ok. Agreed.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, I agree with your opinion here; if Abyi is going to succeed in democratizing Ethiopia, he must first start with the eprdf; his org and the other partners should stop being lackey men of the tplf; they should have respect of themselves and respect of the people they are supposed to represent. They have already begun this journey, mostly thanks to the grassroots awareness and protests recently. When the TPLF devised the ethnic federalism and ethnic based politics, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Their carrot and stick method has served them for decades, but as we are witnessing now, that era of tplf domination is about to be over.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Saay
            I agree with you although there are some narratives that is hard to substantiate. Check this article not yet. Very ironic, Will was deported from Addis while the oppos blame him for siding with gov.
            Melkam Fasika,
            Yaddis lejoch cracked me yesterday ” Yezarè Jumeea Derby new” belew. Means Jumeea and Siqlet”
            On the article William says
            ” Ethiopia’s economic system is also tied up with its ethnic politics. While power is already shifting from the TPLF, it is crucial this is managed sensitively. Tigrayan leaders see themselves as unjustly blamed for the current ills and note that they spearheaded the defeat of a military junta, protected minority rights, and played a key role in Ethiopia’s celebrated development model. Although imbalances exist, especially in the security apparatus, claims over the dominance of TPLF-affiliated parastatals can be exaggerated, further toxifying the debate. Independent investigation of those companies would probably support the TPLF’s case. In the meantime, it’s beholden on critics to base reporting on evidence and not prejudice.”
            http://africanarguments.org/2018/04/04/ethiopia-why-pm-abiy-ahmeds-first-priority-should-be-free-expression/
            Cheers

          • Amde

            Selam Kaddis,

            Someone commented:

            The riddle of Ethiopia politics: Either TPLF is so all powerful that it can pick and place anybody it wants where it wants, OR it is so weak that it cannot stop a reform minded faction from ascending to the top office of the land.

            It reminds me somewhat with what I read about Saddam Hussein and his nuclear weapons. As you know, the UN (before the 2003 invasion) and the US (after the invasion), extensively investigated and searched for nukes and a nuke program in Iraq. They found nothing.

            Mystified observers then asked Iraqi ex-officials, “If you knew that there was no Iraqi Nuke program why didn’t you do all you can to give the US no excuse and prove conclusively that you don’t have anything to hide.”

            The answer was, “Well, it was useful for us for our neighbors (Iran , Israel…) to think that we had such a capability.”

            A narrative of an all-powerful TPLF helps in some circumstances, but now it’s opponents have learned to use it as an effective tool against it.

            Amde

          • Kaddis

            Selam Amde,
            Absolutely agree. Well said. TPLF have lost the media war long ago to Sophia T and her outsourcing. First it was the economic growth was fake. When that became indefensible then “the economy is growing but benefiting the few from the north, minority regime “. I am not saying it has no truth in it but it’s a risky way to fight towards destruction.

  • Patriot

    Selam All. I guess I need to take anger management classes. It is good that Ethiopia has a new PM and I wish him well in terms of possible benefit that he may bring to Eritrea and stability to the Horn of Africa. However, in so long as Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land, it is effervescently clearly still the enemy of Eritrea. I know Ethiopia has it own set of problems to deal with, but I am tired of Ethiopians professing sisterly and brotherly love for Eritreans while they remain silent on the side-lines while Ethiopia continues with its strategy to isolate and economically suffocate Eritrea. This futile strategy over the past two decades has not eliminated Isaias but rather it has done great harm to normal everyday Eritreans. Please Ethiopia do the morally right thing and leave Badme!

  • Abraham H.

    Selam All, I think the peace call of PMAA towards Eritrea is not new. It has been all the time there, whether genuine desire or not. What we have to ask is why can’t Ethiopia just accept the EEBC ruling unconditionally and allow its implementation? From my position, I don’t think there was any genuine desire for peace from the Ethiopian side, and even worse on the Eritrean side. If there is any side that has suffered enormosly under this impasse that has now gone for 16 years is the Eritrean people, because the mafia regime has been exploiting the situation to throw all sorts of oppressive policies at the Eritrean people.
    At least the Ethiopian side should give it a try by declaring full acceptance of the border ruling, thereby denying the DIA any excuse and exposing it in front of the world as well as the Eritrean people that the regime does not have any good will to the Eritrean people let alone to the Ethiopian people.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Kbrom,

    Point well taken brother. I will reserve myself from engaging him to avoid dragging you from the subject of priority.

    • Patriot

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat. I have been told that there were a minority number of people from Tigray that were in the ELF. Is this true or only an unfounded rumour? Thanks!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Patriot,

        I didn’t know or heard the presence of tigrians in ELF. But I do know the presence tigrians in EPLF. I do know also Eritreans in TPLF. What is your motive to ask that? For me I do not have a problem with that. Only sick people do concerns on that.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam aman h
          Patriot just ask u a simple question, why tempered?

        • Patriot

          Thanks Amanuel Hidrat. I had just heard that in the early days of the ELF, looking for a place in a group to fight against the Derg, that there were a few individuals from Tigray that had joined the ELF. I did not ask the question with a sinister motive.

        • Patriot

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Do you believe that Eritrean opposition groups based in Ethiopia would have more legitimacy and credibility if there were in another country which was neutral? When you have attended opposition meetings in Ethiopia such as the Eritrean National Council for Democratic Change (ENCDC), where there were complete photoshoots with Meles, did you later receive any flak from non-PFDJ aligned Eritreans? I believe that the same could be said for Ethiopian opposition groups based in Eritrea.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Kibrom,

    I read I think AAN (AnSar AmeS Nigales) about the arrest of the journalist, including Abubekear Abdel Awel if I am not mistaken. I was pleasantly surprised that that he was still doing journalism in Eritrea after so many years. I use to read him time ago in the 80s, with GazeTa Hibret, it was long time since I heard that name.

    Berhe

    • saay7

      iSem:

      He was writing for “Eritrea Al-Haditha”. I believe an editor has also been arrested. The pattern with PFDJ is always the same: any popular movement must be marginalized by tagging it as regionalist (G-15) or an Arabist (Forto) or an Islamist (Akhria). And when you point out observable facts that so-and-so is not from this region, there is no record of him ever being an Arabist or Islamist, they say well he was misled by those who are.

      It is unsurprising that the PFDJ will say anything, do anything to maintain its monopoly on unrestrained power. The shame of it is when we as a people enable them to do that and/or are paralyzed from registering our complaint about that, much less act to stop it. We deserve much better and the one to get it begins with the belief that we deserve it and then doing away with all the excuses we give ourselves for not striving for it as all of us just wait for change to come on its own, without change agents.

      saay

      saay

    • Gudus

      salam ato Berhe, ato Kbrom and awatawiyan
      Yes you are right he is abubaker Abdelawel along with abdulqadir ahmed and some from arabic section
      there are so many professionals and care takers of masjid and the muslim community who are arrested during and after the funeral of abona aboy haji Mussa. for the moment i cannot disclose their names out of respect for their family they may not like it. .
      as of those who are arrested under age 8 years to 18 are in Aala barefoot. those 8,9,10,and 11 are spending their night crying for their parents. the so called general is visiting and enjoying their cry. i pray to God those responsible to see what Wochu and colonel Mana the monester have seen.
      Ato Kbrom the regime in our home is working hard day and night to widen the division between the two religion. enda xetita anything that relate to Akhriya and aboy Mussa are giving to the muslims leave of absence or transfer or other duties in all of its departments including drivers. so let us save the people and the country.

  • Patriot

    Selam All. Eritrea (Yemane G.) has predictably and correctly replied to PM Abiy’s so called olive branch offering: “The ball has stayed for too long in Ethiopia’s court. There is no dispute as the litigation process ended 16 years ago. Ethiopia needs to honour its treaty obligations and respect Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity by withdrawing from occupied territories – including Badme.“Peace will indeed be beneficial to the two peoples but obviously, this must be predicated on respect of international law which Ethiopia continues to flout to date,”

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    Ohh.. Ethiopia! Where are you heading with this! Have you seen this guys when the now PMAA has been foretold that he would become a PM by a certain female prophet@ AA is on his knees up on hearing that… Amed was telling us how he nailed with the women. Well, a witch is always a female. What a shame… what a disaster… for Ethiopia! We were discussing how disgusting it was one women claiming a cure from the dam water because of IA… now tell me which one is worse!
    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/anya_taylorjoy_772008?src=t_witch

    • Amde

      Hi Hayat,

      Wey gud. I had to laugh.

      I seriously don’t understand why you hate this guy. I respect your opinion a lot, so I have to assume you know something very bad that the rest of us are not privy to. Can’t you share?

      If it is just an instinct thing, then good news – there are a lot of Oromo activists who are in the same boat They hate the guy for something they can’t exactly say, but when pushed they say he is a showboat and fake. Well, if that is the worst you can say about him in a political culture where murder and torture are fair game, then we good.

      The female vote was for him honoring his mother and his wife during his speech. Who does that in our habesha politics? Even completely a-political women were gushing over that yesterday.

      If you want to add up a more complete picture, a case can be built that Dr. Abiy may have been prepping for such a role from when he was very young. He thanked his mom for setting him on this path when he was just seven. There is another interview floating around of a childhood friend of his (Getish Mammo) who claims that even as far back as 10 years ago, Abiy was telling him he was planning to be PM (Getish says he had mixed feelings about it since he felt Abiy was a decent fellow and not suited for the harsh word of politics) If we are to believe this chronology then, this prophet thing which supposedly happened six years ago is rather late in his career.

      So here we have a picture of a man who planned on getting to the national chair from a very long time ago. If he did have such an ambition, then it makes sense he would watch his actions and rhetoric with an eye to their impact on the final goal. So, avoid committing yourself too much to controversial issues One of the criticisms on Obama when he was a legislator in Illinois and a law school professor was that – to his colleagues’ frustration – he would not commit rhetorically or in action to working with them on controversial/hot button topics, so he would not box himself in for the future. On the flip side, Lemma and Abiy are the primary architects that transformed OPDO from an ethnic platform into an organization playing for the national stage. That is no small feat within the narrative of the past half century of Oromo politics,

      Amde

      • Paulos

        Amde,

        I say, let’s wait and see how he is set to handle the contingencies history is ready to throw at him. If he thinks he is there to govern, he is the wrong person for the job but if he believes that he is there to serve, he will be fine.

        Moreover, if he will have seen farther than others, it is because, he will have stood on the shoulders of giants. A seed they say, becomes three thousand years old tree. Somebody paid the highest price for him to receive the mantle of political power draped in the blue book and the flag not in a barrel of gun where we are all too familiar with. Again, wish him well and all the best.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Amde,

        I was thinking, may be PMAA have broken Hayat’s heart in the past life:).

        Berhe

      • Selam Amde,

        I doubt that those who hate him so much to the level of harming themselves have an explanation any more than petty reasoning. He said this and that at a certain point, and they can not even say he did this or that. Of course, the fact that tplf is being dethroned is a heart breaking event for some, something they cannot overcome so easily, and they find impossible to control their feelings and reactions.

        If this guy is lucky enough and he succeeds in his mission of reforming ethiopia, are they in danger of getting a heart attack? God forbid. There is something odd here. Such sort of reaction is beyond the ordinary and the logical. They could not bear to wait even what he would say and do over his first 100 days in office. Of course, they couldn’t care less if he succeeds, on the contrary, his failure will bring their greatest satisfaction.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Horizon,
          .
          I am not sure the tplf is being dethroned is the right term or sentiment to describe what is happening in 2018. It might be a question of degrees or language, I have a different take.
          .
          I sometimes sound that I am an advocate of tplf, I don’t even know a single TPLF member. (Fanti doesn’t count)
          This is really where we need a person like T. Kifle to lay out his version of reality as he sees it and lay the facts on the ground, so that we can inspect. He must be busy.
          .
          My view from 5000 miles away and a quarter of a century ago ago is that TPLF militarily toppled the Derg government together with other partners. Once they caught the tiger by the tail, their big partner EPLF split. TPLF assembled the remaining Jr. partners and formed the EPRDF.
          Since the TPLF had all the big guns, what they said and wanted in the meetings had more weight.
          Fast track to 1998-2000 because of PIA blunder, the TPLF developed a big fracture in its structure. The Siye Abraha group and the Meles group. The astute Meles repaired the fractured damage in TPLF by strengthening EPRDF to gain political allies.
          That motion gained enough traction to culminate in PMHD becoming the 2nd PM.
          The members of ALL EPRDF players have now an equal soap box to express their views.
          They know each member needs the others and the alternative is rather dark.
          Only enemies of Ethiopia want to fan any and all sparks they see. We will see them jumping around in the coming days and years. Of course, the jury is out as to what will happen next year or next 100 days as you said. (that is an American term which bothers me)
          .
          At the moment, I breath a sigh of relief and am proud of the fact that there are a lot of Ethiopians with level head to march forward in spite of all the noise. ( what is the saying….the dogs bark when the camels walk ???)
          .
          Mr. K.H

        • Amde

          Hi Horizon,

          It is just extraordinary the attacks on him. And they can’t bring anything of substance. After all, he is just another EPRDF guy, and if the EPRDF’s process cannot bring someone more acceptable to themselves then they should question themselves.

          I am still not convinced he is capable of change. But at the very least he extends the life of the EPRDF coalition by giving it a fresh face.

          I can’t discount the changing of the guard from TPLF to OPDO, but my money is on TeamLemma challenging serious economic interests.

          Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Hmmm, this is clever: you are reversing our argument. We asked why are you guys so excited about this guy, and those of you who are enthusiastic supporters have no answer; so now you are telling those of us who are not excited about the guy that we have no reason for not being excited :). The difference is we assign no malice to your position, whereas those of you who support him do.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay..

            To be perfectly honest, I do not at all assume you are coming from a malicious point if view. I think you are having fun actually.. you are smart and a master at the troll game, and who best as chief candidate for trolling than us poor worrywart types. No worries there and if I came across as that to you then my apologies.

            No sir, some of the unfair characterizations on him are not at this site per se but generally on line.

            And i admit there is an element of subjectivity there, but I think the attacks on him seem to completely miss the state the country is in. Or, it is wilfull indifference.

            Things aren’t good Saay. Watch a clip of an Aba Geda somebody Senbeto in a “peace” conference this weekend in Addis. We dodged a bullet with Abiy’s candidacy. We need somebody to calm things down while we sort things out.

            That is where my frustrations come. Compared to the issues at hand, his demeanour and delivery seem such petty things to focus on.

            Bantering with you about him is actually fun for me and quite relaxing. No worries.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            If he releases the politicians and journalists who were detained, it would be a good start. And then eventually make changes slowly and build on the momentum.

            I personally do not think the youth demonstration Qerro was because of direct economic hardship they are facing today. Yes they need economic progress but I don’t think it’s imminent that it can’t wait another few months and years. This whole demonstration started by expanding Addis to Oromo lands and even when the government backed down it continued. I think the Qerro were fed up with the same leadership and they used the the opportunity to push further to bring about change.

            For example, yesterday I was listening to panel discussion on ESAT on his speech with four guests. I think the three of them were optimistic and gave him over all the benefit of the doubt. One guy was not convinced at all that he will bring any change.

            One point that surprised me was he he was talking about the past famine in Ethiopia. He said during HS it costed 300K lives, during Mengistu to costed 1.5 million and during EPRDF he said it costed 26 million lives.

            26 million???? really.. I mean every lives count but 26 million sounds way over exaggerated and would not listen for any possibility of EPRDF reforming.

            I still have not heard from my Ginbot 7 Friend….it usually doesn’t take him this long to reply…will give him few more days…

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            I think you have a great grasp of the issues. The expansion of Addis meant capitalist expropriation of farmer land with little to no compensation. But it was not just Addis per se – the same thing was happening in areas outside of Addis proper and metroplex. Farmers (Qerro) had nobody to stand up for them, the powers that be most of the time defended the monied class, so you end up with protest. Into the breach step in the ethnic Nationalists who framed it into a wider issue and used modern methods to engineer a revolution out of protest. Its a classic really. But I dont discount the EPRDF fatigue as well.

            In any case, returning land and addressing other grievances is what gave TeamLemma the platform to go National. Abiy’s premiership was a lucky break for him.. this was Lemma’s spot for the taking to be honest.

            I hadn’t heard the 26 mln figure.. that is just crazy.. innumeracy ይሉሀል ይሄ ነው።

            Your AG7 friend is probably busy right now attacking Abiy. But if he is an Addis Ababan and you can catch him at a candid moment I am sure he will agree the speech worked for him.

            I am good with slow but steady progress.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            He was talking about the number of affected people by the draught .Not the number of death.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            Ok may be I heard it wrong then.

            He was comparing to the famine during the derg 1984 and HS era. Where the number of death seem to be correct.

            Wouldn’t it be fair he compares apples to apples then..instead of comparing death with draught affected and give the impression that things are a lot worse

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            What he trying to compare was , the growth of the poverty.

          • Kbrom

            Hi Amde

            ‘the EPRDF’s process cannot bring someone more acceptable to themselves’

            I hope you remember what I was saying before the election of PMAA:
            this is not a process of EPRDF’s will or a democratic exercise
            this is not about who is capable
            this is not about a speech ( which was not great in terms of meaningfilness)
            it is a de facto that was dictated by peoples’ power
            the EPRDF has to decide (think) bringing PM from which satellite organisation not who as a person, would subdue the current situation
            OPDO was decided to be in PM ship that is why I stated three weeks before the EPRDF meeting that it was decided PMAA to be the PM
            please note that there was not much talk in that area, as including the big powers had their say, what took much much time was other issues which I will revert on different post
            refer to PMAA acceptance speech መንግስታዊ የስልጣን ሽግግር ያለ እንክን ለመሸጋገር እንዲችል ሊዩ ሚና ሲጫወቱ ለቆዩት ሁሉ በመላ ህዝባችን ስም ኣመስግናለሁ
            Simply put you have a new chief machine operator of the same machine, which works on standard manual, on certain materials, which has three sub sections controlled by other chief operators ( defence, security, police, intelligence), which its function is completely dependent on the maintenance another chief, (old guards), which is setup in an organisational culture that gives the machine operation to the hidden people not the chief operator, where the key of the machine is kept in different department etc.

            PMAA was brutalised, criticised, on hundreds of issues in the name of ‘this was not our martyrs culture’, including of being over ambitious, selling EPRDF principles for his popularity, having the list of cabinet even before the EPRDF meeting (over ambitious etc). Have you ever asked how on the earth Bereket Simon and Aboy Sebhat were in the meeting whilst they are not executive – they attended as consultants. that is EPRDF.

            I can see over exaggerated expectation, i can see deviating on none essential issues ( his speech, his mentioning of his mother etc) when you see it within the current political context, the popular struggle has been hurt more, the TPLF played it well ( Please never ever underestimate TPLFs experience on conspiracy theory) and the ability to paralyse even terminate PMAA any time it thinks is no more needed.

            If Emperor Haile Sellase was the first Ethiopian leader to be killed by his succesor
            If Mengstu Hailemariam was the first Ethiopian leader to run away from his country
            If Meles Zenawi was the first Ethiopian leader to die while incumbent
            if HaileMariam Desalegn was the first Ethiopian leader to resign
            God forbid PMAA could be the first leader with so many gruesome probabilities. I do not see a single optimism for PMAA in the current state of play.

          • Amde

            Selam Kbrom,

            I will eagerly await your “other post” then.

            Thank you sir.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Kbur ato Kbrom:

            I think your post should be accompanied by the appropriate soundtrack (I am thinking Friday the 13th, Halloween or the Excorcist.)

            But seriously, I think the difference between you and Amde is:

            1. You are saying that PMAA is the product because of the machinery with multiple departments and multiple keys and multiple legacy individuals and men behind the curtain

            2. Amde is saying that PMAA is the product despite of the machinery with multiple department and multiple keys and multiple legacy individuals and men behind the curtain

            Things for you smart guys to factor in (I love watching smart guys debate)

            1. While congratulating Abiy, Paul Kagame described him as a “compromise candidate”, implying that there were different candidates and he was the one most acceptable to all factions. Was he just being polite or does he know something;

            2. In its congratulatory release, the US embassy in Addis (one of the men behind the curtain) concluded it by saying it looks forward to the lifting of the sanctions;

            3. The statement you quoted of PM thanking all those who worked to bring about the transition: if they are the usual mysterious characters, they really don’t like to be thanked: they enjoy their anonymity. No?

            4. Also, it is a shame you guys are being bad neighbors and not congratulating Sisi for his election to the presidency with a resounding 97% vote. Tsk tsk.
            saay

          • Kbrom

            selam professor saay ( Dr paulos has insisted we call you professor)

            re: 1) no my difference with Amde, and on the previous posts with your good self is that please see PMAA within the bigger picture, do not see him as individual, evaluate what he said and how he appeared. If you remember that is why I was insisting it is not about CV or it is not like Iceland’s election. He is not there as him but as OPDO. A combination of situation necessitated that the only way out is to have an OPDO PM, EPRDF during the resignation of PMHD decided to give the post to OPDO ( does that make any sense to talk about who will send OPDO for that offer, isn’t it a predetermined fate?) Lemma was not a member of Parliament + TPLF and some ANDM leaders said over our dead body, OPDO was advised to make change of leadership, Abadula was EPRDF’s suggestion but OPDO brought AA then he came. the only challenge that OPDO showed was that it said we will elect our candidate not you. In the process there was involvement of so many actors. That is my difference. The same rule applies for the future do not expect from a PM who came through this process to make miracles. The danger of thinking that he came through due democratic process will lead you to wrong conclusion, that was my debate before the election that is my debate now.

            Have you followed ANDM’s candidate ደመቀ መኮነን statement on why he did not run, what he said was that because we need solution, not because PMAA is capable or senior than me.

          • saay7

            Kbur Kbrom:

            With all due respect, don’t you think Amde, one of the sharpest knives in the drawer, already knows this? Don’t you think he is saying within all that context—EPRDF, its intrigue, role of others—that Abiy (he calls him TeamLemma—is a promising candidate? Then he gave his reasons why that’s the case within the context you defined. Nobody keeps mentioning Iceland or Scandinavia except you 🙂

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Kbur saay7

            I do agree Amde is not only ONE of the sharpest knives, but THE sharpest knife in AF. However, I am equally convinced that AMDE would not miss that Abiy’s prospects are the following

            PMAA will find himself in a quagmire that he will not bring any drastic change and that will frustrate people including his side – Highly probable
            PMAA will continue like PMHD still people will be frustrated – likely
            PMAA will try to go out of the TPLF’s box and make change – that is the part I said God forbid the TPLF can do anything. ( This is the point that I was not sure if AMDE is accompanying his optimism with)
            for example people were impressed because he talked about corruption, the most corrupted leaders in Ethiopia are Aboy Sebhat and Abay Tsehaye, can you imagine in your right mind he will ask Getachew the chief of security to take action against them, can you imagine what Getachew will reply to him, can you imagine PMAA will dare to remove Getachew, FYI a week before the inauguration the department of security trained and assigned 150 PM’s office special forces, most of them from Tigray. Can he fire Dr Arkebe,(economy, finance, trade etc advisor, Seyum Mesfin horn of Africa, diplomatic missions advisor, Asmelash director of the office, Gonech, chief of staff, Getachew security and police, Samora defence, etc.

          • saay7

            Ato Kbrom:

            I said I would love to read you and Amde debate this but I am stepping all over it. With your permission….

            ….wait, Seyoum Mesfin is still in play? How many failures must one amass before even EPRDF says we are done with you? Don’t answer that.

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Ato Saay

            That is too tempting question, allow me to answer that. Yes he is the most prominent person as advisor, when EPMHD handed his good office over to PMAA, he also handed him over on live TV Seyum, Arkebe, Asmelash – literally. Seyum is mainly in charge of forign policy especially as special envoy to PM on Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Eritrea etc.

            Let me add one point why we (you can call us from now on the ‘Abiy Sceptical’s;) are not sure about the change. At one point PMHD gave an interview to Aljazeera in which he said that he is ready to go to Asmara to talk about the border issue, the next day he was summoned by EPRDF party apparatchiks and warned never to utter those kinds of words – ‘those kinds of decisions are not with in your mandate’.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            A little correction . What hd said to aljazeera was in line with eprdf the 5 point peace proposal regarding eritrea. And the policy still on . Nothing changed officially.

          • Kbrom

            Hi Teodros,

            You seem to state what I did not say and then try correct me (I see it happen at least 4 times). I dis not say it was NOT in line of the 5 points originally made by PMMZ, I did not even mention it; what I was talking about ( to demonstrate who owns the real power in Ethiopia) is the fact that EPHD stated that he can fly to Asmara, and that was the part that was disliked by the decision makers because protocol wise and the signals that that commitment sends has its own weight on the proposal.

            As in any war and peace negotiations, choosing venue is part and parcel of the ‘Procedural Strategies’ that is even negotiated beforehand to enable the parts in the dialogue to exert some control over certain aspects of the peace process, such as home advantage, neutrality, agenda and the distribution of information.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            U mean what hd said in aljazeera disliked by ur imaginary king makers and they told u so?
            Like i told u what matter is what is the policy of the gov and how they lead the country.

          • Kbrom

            saay I forgot the the points

            1 Kagame: he was comparing it with his own, compromising the constitution for his election as opposed to compromising another candidate for AbIY

            2 The starting point of people’s frustration would be the PMAA’s inability to lifting the state of emergency. Mark this point he will not be able to lift it soon.

            3 Yes very true

            4 The 3% who did not vote for SiSi are members of his intelligence and security forces to see how the observers and election staff react when they count it, if they see them happy they will report them so that next time will be 100%. BTW what is the magic number of 97% vote in Egypt, Mubark won 7 times by 97%.

            5 in the meantime PIA supporters are celebrating the motto: ወዲ ኣፎም ንወያነ 3 ግዜ ንኣሜሪካ 5 ግዜ ፕረዚደንት ከምዝቕይራ ጌርወን considering democracy as failure and power grip as tse’nat: the other cultural legacy of dictatorship

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Kbrom,

            I tried to follow your back and forth with Saay.

            Actually, I think we agree with quite a lot, but you are also corroborating what has emerged in the public so far. Addis Standard had a great write-up of the goings on behind the scenes.

            The factor I am hoping you woukd shed light on if you can is the role of other countries, primarily Uncle Sam but generally the West. The official American rhetoric has been quite aggressive, so methinks Abiy’s sleeves may be rather full.

            I generally thought of the delay in March as TPLF old guard delaying and fighting off an OPDO takeover, something which (I think) they had committed to with their EPRDF sisters and crucially the West back in January.

            Agreed, there is absolutely nothing TPLF gains by change. Someone made a point that the TPLF old guard cannot even dare pass down TPLF’s own leadership to the next generation. So it is not even the party control they can’t give up, it is the control of a few families. This makes the possibility of change even more dire. Hence their ferocious resistance. I can’t even begin to imagine the heat with which they despise Demeqe Mekonnen and TeamGedu of ANDM.

            It just seems to me they fought over the selection of the Chair and PM for real. If it was a matter of assignment, then there is no point in ferociously attacking Abiy. OPDO presented their candidate and stuck by him, and whatever transpired they made it. I think all these are real, i.e. not fake drama.

            I agree though with you that the possibilities for change are extremely tight. We are told that the fight over Cabinet and more importantly Security rebalancing has already started. I have a feeling there would be many bureaucratic skirmishes we will likely never hear about during this process. Not a purging per se, and not a wholesale change by administrative fiat, but more of many small fights if you will.

            Basically, we are at a point where the SOE is a Derg2.0. The parliament has voted to suspend the executive’s power and hand it over to the military. I don’t see how this is sustainable for long, especially when many of the people imprisoned are senior officials of OPDO and Oromiya. I always thought it was a ploy to squeeze the OPDO, so it will be handy right about now when OPDO is making a play for the Defense/Security portfolio. My cynical side expects the officials to be released, while most civilians to remain imprisoned. Unless Abiy calls Parliament to reverse the SOE and thereby make a very public constitutional issue out of it, the Command Post will play attrition warfare, forcing fights over the release of this person or that.

            As to the public, whatever the public’s wishes, at the end of the day, I don’t see any one of the Sisters having any incentive to allow political plurality in their respective “captive market”. Abiy’s rhetoric to and about the oppositions seems unlikely. Neither OPDO nor ANDM would want competition just when they are finally just starting to see the beginning of getting out of TPLF’s sisterly smothering.

            Again though, the big unknown is the external factor. It just feels to me the old guard has boxed themselves in and drawn the ire of world powers. Let’s hear your take.

            Amde

          • Kbrom

            Gash Amde,

            Let me state the obvious by reiterating that I agree with saay that you are one of, if not the, the sharpest knives in the drawer. I am not contesting that fact in what so ever means I am repeating it because saay told me kinda of እምበርከ ምስ መን ትዛረብ ከምዘሎኻ ትፈልጥ ኢኻ ዓቕምኻ እስከ ፍለጥ ። ;))))))

            I concur, we agree on most of the background narratives and process may be we need to work together more on the scenarios. I also agree with saay7 on his taking. ( ናይ ኣቦይ ቀሺ ደኣ ጌርናዮ እምበር ንስኺ ቅኑዕ ኣሎኺ ንስኻ ቅኑዕ ኣሎኻ ክልተ ጨት ዝበሎም ብኡሳት ሰብ ሓዳር ምስመጽዎም)

            Abiy has the support of the West actually they know him and have given him their support back on December.

            Re: TPLF old guard delaying and fighting off an OPDO takeover.
            No sir that case was agreed upon parallel to EPMHD’s resignation decision back on December 2017. You can see that fact from the Addis Standard’s insider: “During the 17 days meeting by the executive in late December 2017, it was agreed that the replacement would come from the OPDO once each party completed it own”
            I am saying OPDO to take over not AA. What the TPLF did not like was the events, in fact the fluid events, that followed the ‘tehadso’ meeting and team Lemma’s movement, they saw it as betrayal and as OPDO leadership exploiting the Ethiopian situation to their power hunger.

            TPLF old guard: what they were arguing upon is the how on the when and not the if of the power transition. They were making it clear that the structure will remain the same, during the ግምገማ OPDO and his leaders were brutally criticised for thinking out of the box, including their self promotion; so what TPLF will do is either tame PMAA to be like HD or we will show you how to behave and they have done it already. Do not be surprised if you see ድሁል PMAA.

            Cabinet, Security rebalancing, defence was the institution that were discussed; so what the March discussion about was maintaining the status quo of the institutions – the main part that was missing in his speech was the need to have viable institutions – I think it was not by accident.

            Parliament it is better than the worst non existing Eritrean but absolutely meaningless – have you seen when Abadula Ghemeda presented PMAA nomination for endorsement – he said እንደምትደግፉት በጭብጨባ ኣረጋግጡልኝ no vote no procedure – even a superficial one.

            I do not think Abiy can call Parliament to reverse the SOE. SOE will be the land mine that will kill PMAA – both ways. If he dare to step in and act he will be facing a big knock that questions his survival, if he does not he will be questioned by the Ethiopian people and their astronomical expectations. TPLF will allow him to lift it if only they want him as a tool for further actions or felt the up rise is in a critical situation, but whatever it is SOE is not under his control at all, it is under the hardcore of EPRDF collectively.

            The security apparatus might take some extra harsh action, including arresting prominent people from Oromia, to send the message of nothing has changed, power is still intact. Remember the main message that EPRDF wanted to send was that EPRDF won.

            The external forces really need Ethiopia and what they have been telling them was not ‘what you are doing is in correct’ but ‘what you are doing has put us in a positions that we can not defend you, do some cosmetic change and control the situation so we can defend and promote you’. Ethiopia is the only remaining country that did not fall under full Chinese control, the African issue is now under Pentagon not Department of State and every policy is gauged against geo military strategy. especially Chines influence in Djibouti and Somalia, Russia influence in both the Sudans.

            BTW the Ethio – Eritrea issue has been in the pipe line for a while, US had discussion with Eritrea several times. The US seems to ask the EPRDF to get out of Badme after PIA put two conditions 1) Ethiopia to respect EEBC 2) Ethiopia to expel all Eritrean opposition group – the development will be seen soon. I believe you also noticed one of the 10 or so clapping in PMAA acceptance speech was when he talked about resolving the impasse with Eritrea.

            I do think the TPLF’s revenge would start with Lemma not PMAA. We will se Lemma facing a terrible challenges as he was the architect of saying no I will not be administer my Kilil by CCed letters. I believe we will see a tough action against him to send the message that TPLF did not want the precedence of an event where the appointment of PMAA would be considered as , to borrow AT ‘rewarding anarchy, or rewarding a rebellious leadership.

          • Selam Kbrom,

            Do you say that the new pm’s inaugural address looked like that of a tamed tplf puppet? Don’t you think that his speech was out of the tplf hegemonic box, when he criticized the previous governments where they were the major players, he did not dwell on the achievements but mainly on the failures of the previous government where tplf was the prominent force, he did not mention even once the “great leader” thus getting rid of cult worship, brought the issue of corruption for which tplf officials are the main culprits in the eyes of ethiopians, apologized for the killings which took place under the order of tplf?

            Do you really believe that PMAA is going to become PMHMD 2, a pawn pm, and tplf can insult the intelligence of 100m ethiopians and get away with it.

            If all the querro struggle and oromo-andm solidarity got after so much sacrifice is an inept pm, unfortunately, we should prepare ourselves for a more serious uprising when compared to the previous one.

            Of course he is not going to be a revolutionary leader, changing the eprdf government right from its foundation, but entertaining that nothing is to change, and the old tplf clique is going to continue to sit on the back of the ethiopian people, i believe, is not going to be the case.

            The makers and shakers of power are no more in the eprdf cabinet, council, etc, but in the streets, cities and villages all over ethiopia, who are ready to say a big “NO” again to any tplf ploy. Tplf should know that things are not going to be as usual, and they should change themselves, so that they are palatable to the masses.

            There are two ways to react to authoritarianism, mass uprising or submission. After more than a quarter century, ethiopians said a big ‘NO’, unlike others who chose to continue to serve it. Fighting injustice is not anarchy or rebellion (with their bad connotations), but dying for democracy and freedom, and that is what the querro and the young in amhara state did. IF they succeed, it does not mean ‘rewarding anarchy, or rewarding a rebellious leadership’.

          • Kbrom

            Kbur Horizon,

            Thank you for bringing up the topic in its decisive way. Your rightly put question was ‘don’t you think that his speech was out of the TPLF hegemonic box’, Let me paraphrase the question on to something that we can discuss: How do you see PMAA’s acceptance speech.

            I will answer it by asking a question, from what point of view.

            Mine will be from the Ethiopian quest of justice, democracy, end of ethnic politics and its failures, it will be from the point of view of inclusiveness, end of human rights abuse, end of marginalisation, end of inequality, end to TPLF’s hegemony, and creating a new inclusive citizens Ethiopia.

            From that point of view PMAA speech was not impacting, if not a failure. PMAA delivered his speech that outlines the EPRDF’s policy. I say EPRDF’s because he was talking as እናደርጋለን እንወስዳለን እንሞክራለን not as new PM and his input. Any one who watched the acceptance speech will miss the real Abiy, the speaker Abiy was a man who was trying to talk on behalf not from within – his qoute about Atse Minilik, Karamara etc.

            PMAA in his speech said ይህ የስልጣን ሽግግር ሁለት ኣበይት እውነታዎች የሚያመለክት ነው፥ but this is not a power transformation from one book to another new school of thought it is a new chapter within the same book, same like what happened in Zimbabwe’s intra ZANUPF. That is the main misunderstanding, the ruling party, its system, its policy is the same hence, the speech is changed in its form and shape but not in its content. እንጀራው የሻገተ ከሆነ ምንም ቢቀዩሩለት መሻገቱ ኣይቀረውም።

            The speech did not put the solutions for the demands raised by Querro and other Ethiopians, it just acknowledged; acknowledgement without solution at hand could have been done by any citizen. The speech was more about what Ethiopia was as a country, and its history (with a little bit Amharas tone of Chauvinism) ኢትዮጲያ ወደ ቀድሞ ክብራ እንድትመለስ which Ethiopia’s ቀድሞ ክብራ? especially to the Oromo’s who have been marginalised for 100 years.

            Yes the speech modes operandi has departed from the monotonous tone of ኣብዮታዊ ዴሞክራሲ. The speech does not have the clichés left over by PMMZ. It has boldly covered important issues such as ዘረኝነት though he did not condemn it strongly as expected and proposed a solution on how to end ethnic politics. Yes, he has boldly mentioned the importance of servant leadership stating that the change shows ከግዜው የፖለቲካ የኤኮኖሚና እኩል የሚጓዝ ህዝቡን ኣለቃ እድርጎ የሚያገለግል ስርኣት እየገነባን መሆኑን ያመላክታል but did not tell how he will do that and what are the solution for not repeating the master leadership. He did not say we will set up a truth finding commission, he did not say we will shame and name the corrupted officials and held accountable, he did not show the way forward.

            As they say for Ethiopians who have been longing for 26 years everyday counts. ኣርባ ዓመት ሳያይ ኣይነ ስውር የነበርውን ሰው ነገ ይበርለሃል ቢባል እስከ ነገ እንዴት ብየ በጨለማ ኣድራለሁ ኣለ.

            As for Eritrea I do not know what was his message when he said በባድመ ከሃገር በፊት እኔ ብለው እንደወደቁ ከባድመ ኣፈር ተዋህደዋል and then wave the olive oil in the second part of his speech.

            The bottom line is it is change of personalities within the ruling party, if we are to see changes it will mirror the change of the personalities not a drastic policy change or paradigm shift that shakes the establishment of the sate.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kbrom and Horizon,

            Regarding the inaugural speech of Dr. Abiy, I stayed reading and enjoying divergent views fellow forumers have been posting while desisting from adding any input from my side. Every commentary appeared to has been more less based on personal perspective and perception because the political circumstances that produced the election of the Dr. Abiy could not deiver a speech different than the one we read and heard.

            In my view, an acceptance or inaugural speech by a politician directly elected through a free and fair ballot cannot be the same in dimension and substance as one elected by alliance of forces with divergent ultimate stakes but coalsced on consensus based minimum governance program. Being a candidate of one of the coalition members, and beig voted in after a lot of horse trading and compromises, he cannot spell out his personal policies in his speech because he will have to clear them in the cabinet which is also a coalition cabinet.

            I would consider that the new prime minister is very well aware that he cannot be spokesman of himself without being spokesman of the coalition. His success or failure will be measured by how far he can keep the coalition partners on board, on the one hand, and on the other, unite his own OPDO and Oromo political and social forces.

            I believe that there was no anticipation that Dr. Abiy would take the risk of prematurely antagonizing the coalition members by promising policy issues in his inaugural speech. From my perspective, thus, the speech could be appraised from style and presentation point of view rather than failure or success of divulging future policy signalling substance.

          • Kbrom

            Merhaba Ismail

            As always to the point and balanced.

            In todays world jumping to judgment has produced so many mistakes. That is why we are having people who are awarded Nobel Peace Prize are also accused of War Crime at the same time.The Nobel Peace Laurette and the alleged genocide perpetrator Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Laurette and the president who ordered ten times more drone war strikes than Bush President Obama are some of the recent and live examples. That calls us all for a cautious judgment.

            If I may add one point to your well articulated post, leaders are tested when the going gets tough. All inaugural speeches are sweet including Trump’s. People should be cautious from what we call ፋሲጋ ዝተቖጽረት ሰራሕተኛ ገዛስ ኩሉ ግዜ ኣውደኣመት ይመስላ,። the take to home message is this፡ let’s not judge for good or bad PMAA based on this speech.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kbrom,

            ” … let’s not judge for good or bad PMAA based on this speech.” Thank you that is precisely what I should have written instead of toiling to deliver what my post contain. Thank you for articulating my point.

            In my view, the bottom line of the speech rested in essence and substance the collective address of the coalition partners had permitted with allowance of margins for rhetoric and sentiments Dr. Abiy needed. The objectivity that the still volatile but hopefully transient politics of the country imposes tells me that, after all, Dr. Abiy is just an interim prime minister who would or would not succeed to complete the tenure of PMHD.

            If he would succeed to ride the current considerably unclement tempest, and would lead the country to peaceful and broadly accommodative free and fair next election, and would get strong popular mandate for his own party as well as other parties that would be willing to govern with him, then he will have better chance to implement his vision.

            Thus, our judgement should await to first check whether the man has reasonable program, and then see if he would deliver.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kbromay,

            Is there any difference in substance between “incremental change” and “cosmetic change” in the way you are explaining the recent political development in Ethiopia? Just to understand your political take on those concept, for I love to debate politics conceptually. Please do, to see if I could engage in your debate with Saay.

            Regard

          • Kbrom

            Selam Emma Abi seb

            I think emma ዝያዳ ደኣ ንስኻ ትፈልጦ እምበር the difference in substance between “incremental change” and “cosmetic change” is mainly the former is a change or to be exact an adjustment made in to the end of something, whilst the later is merely more into appearance without necessarily intending to make any change in its basic nature of the thing or system. Every “incremental change” is a step towards the end whilst cosmetic change could happen in a static situation.

            I believe the main difference is in the result with incremental change at least you can have a gradual development or change whilst the cosmetic change maintains the stats quo by putting some thing. As its name tells it does not change the essence, people can put a lipstick or powder, to make themselves look more attractive but if he/she is ከንፋር ወይ ጀላዕ like me that would not change that reality.

            In the context of Ethiopian politics, why I do not call it incremental change is because there is no guarantee that the power transfer from HD to AA MERELY will affect the key word in the concept of change i.e. end result (end result being the demand of the Ethiopian people). It is a cosmetic change because regardless of PMAA charisma and change of approach, the essence that will not change is the EPRDF. However one must not rule out that PMAA can make a miracle and swim against the current, survive and change the direction of the tide. If that happens that would mean a great political disruption. Disruption in its 21st century’s meaning not the disruption we know when its meaning was ምዕግርጋር።

          • Desbele

            Selam Kbrom,

            #5 is so painful.
            They may also celebrate that their hero has killed one constitution and aborted another(the one he promised to draft) . Your quote in another thread “ሕማቕ ዘበን ካብ ዝገብረኻ ዝሓድገልካ ይከፍእ ” is so true. Thank you

          • saay7

            Kbur Kbrom:

            On the state of emergency, my understanding is that it is for six months (February to August) and I don’t know what the Ethio constitution has to say about it and I welcome corrections but it’s extension will require the same 2/3 majority of the parliament that voted for it. If the restive regions (Oromia and Amhara) are quiet in those 6 months (and Oromia has every incentive to be as does to similar extent Amhara) what would be the rationale for extending it?

            Or, are you saying he won’t be able to terminate it prematurely? Well, that assumes he would want to and why would he?

            Saay

          • Kbrom

            Merhaba saay7

            The reason is simply there is no general consensus across the country in the first place having it for February to August at all because for many Ethiopians there was no an extraordinary situation posing a fundamental threat to their country. Thus, many including the US the Amnesty International and more importantly the Ethiopian people believe that there since there is no ground what so over to keep the state of emergency it should be revoked immediately.

            I do think the argument holds water. As you know it more than me, like all modern constitutions (RIP ነብሱ ይምሓር ናይ ኤርትራ ቅዋም) Ethiopian constitution under Article 93, is justly detailed as to when can a state of siege be declared i.e. due to an external invasion, a breakdown of law and order which endangers the Constitutional order and which cannot be controlled by the regular law enforcement agencies and personnel, a natural disaster, or an epidemic occur.

            As none of the above exists in Ethiopia right now, PMAA’s government has no ground to continue the state of exception. One of the weakness in Ethiopia’s SOE is it does not have what some countries call ‘the differential approach’ where you can categorise the severity of the state of “martial law” in high degree, medium and low so you can apply it accordingly.

            The Ethiopian SOE treats any SOE as if the country is at “times of war”. That means all constitutional hierarchies are broken down the blue constitution that we saw EPMHD hand over to PMAA is suspended. Hence what he was giving him was a pending file that could not be implemented at all at this time.

            That is why people were the main opposition parties were not happy about PMAA’s speech. That is why some people think it was the water tester for PMAA’s independence as it is about constitution, his own power and the rule of law.

          • saay7

            Kbur kbrom:

            All excellent points.

            I think you are being deliberately hyperbolic about the efficacy of the constitution that the outgoing and incoming PMs held since even an SoE can’t suspend everything and:

            since the government is required by law to renew the SoE two months before it expires in August (ie by June);

            since this requires (I think) 2/3 majority of the parliament;

            since SoE is not just costly to the citizens but also to the government (not just reputation but revenue to its coffers either form FDI or citizens commerce)

            Then there is at least 50-50 chance that it will be allowed to expire .You often remind us not to underestimate the TPLF but I think u overestimate them because, so long as a State doesn’t got for total dictatorship (as our country has) as long as it calls itself a democracy, as long as it is susceptible to public opinion (particularly of the international variety), then there is only so many levers the National Security types can pull. Unless they come up with a Black Flag operation….

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Ato Atowesaay

            Agree agree agree.

            I can be assured that SOE will be revoked by August, what I am saying is people want it to happen now not later, today not tomorrow, if that does not happen then PMAA’s approval rate will decline so fast. That is my point, unfortunately the astronomical expectations of Oppo or ተፎካካሪዎች and the ordinary people is the SOE to be lifted ASAP. That would be the weakest link for him; if that makes sense at all.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            U still on king makers. Ok but one correction, bereket is still a central committee of eprdf.
            And another thing , i think u have to know that the ethiopian people’s have no problem with the ethnicity or color of the eyes of ur imaginary “king makers”(eprdf) . the propblem is they greedy, hateful .corrupted. Narrow and above all for what they stand for.
            The ethiopian people have no problem with the name eprdf and u can see that by how they r supportive of dr abiy(eprdf).

          • Kbrom

            Selam Tedros

            a) Bereket is not an executive committee, not only he was in the meeting, but was vocal and dominant with his new idea of evolving the EPRDF onto a single political party.

            b) the rest of your post is irrelevant to my post, because you were replying to a statement that I did not make.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            Bereket is out of politburo(38 meanbers) but he is still on central committee(180 members).

          • Kbrom

            Selam Teodros

            That is what I am saying he is out of Polit but was in the executive committee’s meeting how do you describe that. On the same token Aboy Sebhat is nowhere officially, but was in the EPRDF’s Executive meeting.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            How do u know aboy was in the meeting ? Let me guess by seeing the old clip from ebc , ebc’s vidoes intended to signal” the equality of nations and nationality ” thing but corrupted.

          • Kbrom

            Selam Teodros,

            If that is your question, I know, do not hesitate on that do not ask me how, because I will not tell you:))

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            I was not intended to ask. I know the motives, that was why i was trying to explain for u that the ethiopia people’s have no problem with the name eprdf. But with eprdf previous principles.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Teodros,

            I think you mean the 180 council and the 36 executive. I know the video is old one though I do not understand what has got to do with what you stated ‘the equality of nations and nationality’.

            But the superficial issues aside, what I am trying to say is this:

            Lets see PMAA within the bigger picture, do not see him as individual, do not evaluate what he said and how he appeared as an individual. He is not there as him but as OPDO. A combination of situation necessitated that the only way out is to have an OPDO PM, EPRDF during the resignation of PMHD decided to give the post to OPDO. not because they wanted but because they have to survive and buy time.

            The scenarios:

            PMAA will find himself in a quagmire that he will not bring any drastic change and that will frustrate people including his side – Highly probable
            PMAA will continue to act like PMHD still people will be frustrated – likely
            PMAA will try to go out of the TPLF’s box and make change – that is the part I said God forbid the TPLF can do anything.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Horizon,
          1) Don’t forget the man himself is the product of TPLF/EPRDF. Many seem to forget that this guy didn’t come to the helm by defeating EPRDF; he was groomed to the spot by the EPRDF. He is now chairing EPRDF which includes TPLF.
          2) I never thought the net score card for TPLF contributions for the good of Ethiopia would be negative. So, in that case, if they were/are good, you should be sad when they are dethroned. If they were/are not, then you should be happy. But the point is…
          3) I don’t believe TPLF is dethroned now with the coming of Abiy. They were either already dethroned with coming PMHD or they are still up there. Remember, Abiy is not elected by the Ethiopian general public/voters. It is those 180- who voted for him.
          4) I am surprised you had to say what you had to say…

          • Patriot

            Selam Hayet Adem. Funny how it is over the years that most TPLF investments have been made in regions other than Tigray. Now those involved in such investments are teetering on the edge of nervous breakdowns and desperately trying to get their money out of Ethiopia. Tigray people in general, most of which have economically benefitted from the TPLF mafia, will continue to have their investments targeted as wrongly acquired land by the TPLF (and those closely connected)
            remains a most crucial and sensitive issue. The 2020 elections will no doubt prove the unpopularity of the TPLF. Stay tuned!

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            Yes, PMAA came through the tplf/eprdf process, but this does not mean that everybody in the eprdf is a cloned tplf, a product whose free thinking is control by it, and ready to do what tplf demands. It is a wrong assumption to think that tplf is omnipotent and the uncontested master of the land and the permanent owner of undisputed power. Powers who oppose tplf’s authoritarian rule should not necessary come from outside. They could be from within the tplf/eprdf organization.

            Why should we accept that there is only one ‘messiah’ and one ‘saver’ of ethiopia, and it comes from the tplf only, and not from any other ethnic group, unless as said by many, the eprdf is a fake coalition under the absolute control of tplf, and the different parties are there as trojan horses to be used by tplf.

            In my opinion absolute power will not continue to be in the hands of tplf anymore, unless there is somebody who wants to create an abnormal situation in ethiopia. The status quo is not sustainable anymore, not even with brute force. That is what i personally understand since 2015.
            If the eprdf party chooses its leader and the pm at the same time using the procedures it has put in place, and this holds true for every head of state up to now, i do not see why it should be different this time. After all, I cannot say that we have seen a free and fair election in ethiopia to regret that it has not been implemented this time.

            Finally, of all the people in this forum, you are the last person i would expect to use such epithets to a person aspiring to be head of state, or is already a head of state. You could have criticized him otherwise, without character assassination. To tell the truth, there were times when i thought that somebody else could be using you account without your knowledge. Yes, i have used strong criticism, but not abusive vocabulary.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Horizon,
            The criticism part is fine if so it occurs to you I should be criticized on any thing I said here.
            Look: TPLF has been constantly adjusting over its entire course. So has been Eprdf. Leaders have been going and or forced to go. Tplf was a socialist movement. When it grew to a coalition front, i.e., Eprdf, it evolved to be a non-socialist. Meles was from Tplf. Hailemariam is from another sister organization. Abiy, too, comes from another sister organization. Abiy is an embodiment of a further evolving Eprdf. Nothing new, here. If you have noticed some new vocabularies and flavors, it is the Eprdf change not just the Abiy. It has always been like that. But, if you want to celebrate as if you are witnessing a deviative departure of him from Eprdf, be my guest and b happy.
            It is just his personal character is very questionable to become a leader of Ethiopia. I have nothing against his party, his front and his government.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            If you are saying that we could be seeing a new and a different eprdf, a democratic one for example, not to be attributed to PMAA alone, but to the whole eprdf party, kudos to that. It is the product or the message that matters, and not the producer or the messenger, in our present explosive situation.

            Nobody is saying that he will turn the tables, and bring a new political reality to the country, but whoever is up there at the helm of power, should know that it is time change comes to the eprdf, and no doubt the new pm could serve the purpose like any other parson. Therefore, I do not think that his character, moral level, education and his credentials in general, are inferior to his predecessors or any other person, that he should be dumped right away from the beginning. That is where i disagree.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Is it difficult to you to understand, that Dr Abey will govern by the political platform of EPRDF, as it has been with the previous Prime ministers of Ethiopia. What is this all trying to seperate Dr Abey from those who constitutes the EPRDF body politics? If any policy change happened in the near future, it will come from EPRDF and not from Abey. The task of the new PM is he could articulate the new policy of the party and implement it successfully. As success of the party is the success of Abey as a leader.

            Second sometimes your choice of vocabulary is not good. In any election if it is from the party, it is the power of its members that bring the leader. And if it is from popular vote it is the people that bring the “party” or the “leader” to power depending on the election model they have. Do not use the throne and dethrone vocabulary to the volatile nature of Ethiopian politics.

            Regards

          • iSem

            Hi Emma and Horizon and my fellow Debebitan Queen Hayat I know we had fun with the election of new PM, some said his speech was not original, some said the folded flag a USA import, some said mentioning the first lady is useless if they do not have power, some said he a con man, well every politician is a con person to some extent, megalomaniac some extent and yes the new PM is a compromise leader and is beholden to EPRDF as he should be to his party. And some even said that for a man who cam through the powers of ethnic federalism to criticize ethnic divide is rich. Really? The civilized countries of today were based on ethnic alliance and TPLF in 1991 had no choice but to implement this kind of federalism. Does this have its drawbacks, many of them? If African countries were created based in ethnic delineation, e.g. Darfur has evolved on is own as a nation, Sudan Sudan, et, these countries would have later united after asserting their identity and freedom and not one ethnic group dominating an other on their own land. Roma, Bologna, Prussia, Whales etc. ask were their own ethnic group territories before they united to form Italy, Germany and UK. Twice in the last 6 years Ethiopia has transitioned powerful and given its bloody history of HS and Mengistu, this country seems to finally is knocking on the doors of civilized nations and if it contests do so, if it does not break it, one day the door will be open. It is gratifying to see the old TPLF guard looking on as the new blood, non tegadali, and Oromo sworn in as the PM. What an accomplishment from their humble beginning of Dedebit, only iff their friends also with humble beginning at other fine place called Nacfa would have accomplished the same.
            I suspect that they felt pride. But for sure the sleek celebration we saw was not that clean behind closed doors, but they sorted it out and a civilian PM passed the power an other civilian leader in a country that only new blood shed and one ethnic group forcing its culture and language on the very diverse country.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Sem,

            Ethiopia is moving inch by inch to the right direction. And you are right, the modern government of multi-ethnic society is Ethinic Federalism. Look India the biggest democratic nation, the states are formed either of single social group or a combination of many small social groups. Ethiopia also has that kind of structured states. The new challenge for Ethiopians now is, how multi parties participate in an open democratic environment. I am optimistic that they will be successful in that front also, because they have created the culture of debating and listening to each other. And how we Eritreans doing any thing of that nature? None for 27 years. I keep laughing when they jump to criticize the Ethiopian political process, when we don’t have any whatsoever. The Ethiopians will do fine whether it is by themselves or with the help of others.

            Regards

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            To tell the truth, i was not even aware of Dr. Abiy before the resignation of PMHMD, when his name popped up. What really struck me was that right from the beginning he was vehemently attacked, which arose my interest. I could see no serious reason for that.

            As much as his administration is concerned i know that it is part and parcel of the eprdf coalition, nevertheless, what i am trying to say is that it should be a new eprdf, more democratic, with good governance and respect for human rights, in which the new pm could be the main contributor to achieve this goal. Otherwise, we will be talking about an opdo government, which it can never be in any imaginable way.

            Yes, i accept when you say that the throne-dethrone thing is not right. Nevertheless, in my opinion it is the result of authoritarianism, which i am sure exists, when one sees killings and incarcerations under bogus excuses.

          • halafi mengedi

            Horizon,

            perfect response.

            hm

          • Abraham H.

            Selam HA, I see that Horizon has given you a superb reply, but just to remind you the Ethiopian pm is not elected directly from the electorate, but he or she is the leader of the party that has the majority of seats in the House of representatives.

          • saay7

            Abraham: Been a long time! Well….

            1. Clearly, the Ethiopian PM is not “the leader of the party that has the majority seats…” because if that was the case MZ and HD would never have been PMs. The PM is whoever the EPRDF decides it is, for their own internal reasons.

            2. Horizon was very unfair with HA but that has been par for the course for Horizon lately: you are either with us or against us kind of Bushian thinking. What Hayat was saying is that EVEN if one holds everything as a constant–the inevitability of OPDO taking the premiership, the EPRDF horse-trading, the Querro, the state of emergency–the person of Abiy Ahmed, his lack of gravitas, his history of serial plagiarizing, his foray into pseudo-science–is unfit to the highest office of one of the most powerful important nations in Africa. And I agree with her wholeheartedly.

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, thanks, when I say the leader of the party with majority seats, of course, I’m refering to the EPRDF in the current setting, not its member orgs. Also I believe at the federal level, the MP’s are seen as representatives of the eprdf and not of the sister orgs.
            Regarding PMAA, I’m with those who would like to give the man a chance to do what he is capable of, of course, within the realities and limitations of the EPRDF org.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            As a Ruplican voter, I understand the hate on Obama you have. Get over it dear brother, and have fun with Trump you the republican gave us.

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            “As A Republican voter…”

            I am neither a republican. Nor a voter.

            Score: 0/2.

            (I miss Abi. He loved to grade posts:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay Aya-Adi-U,

            Before you undermine the eloquent and inspirational leader, I summon upon you, to give 18 quotable inspirational speeches like Obama to galvanize the “emancipation movement” you suggested few days ago. Below are some of his memorable quotes if in case has some kind of help to you. Go through it before the moderator removes it.

            https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/obama-quotes-inspirational-best-speeches-2017-1

            Regard

          • iSem

            Hi Emma and Sal Emma: How long have you been friends with Sal not to know that he is a republican who does not vote, who does comparing. He only makes bets on election days when the people waste their time line up to cast their vote fore their beloved candidate who merely delivered a good speech. He keeps his voting sanctity closely guarded for after we amend the constitution, dare you rewrite it How long have you argued with Sal not to know that fundamental fact. Also he will not serve when called to after that const is amended but he will work as an entrepreneur to hire best leaders and singers. So leaders would not plagiarize norms like giving a folded flag and thanking their unelected spouses but singers would be allowed to plagiarize but they will not be able to roam every river and corner of Eritrea in their lyrics, unless they are singling about Asmara, and even that it should not alphabetical because that will mean “Gaza Hizbawi Melisha will not be listed in the top list:-)

          • saay7

            iSem:

            Haha very funny. Close but not quite: I am a libertarian not a republican (think Rand Paul) which is why I am such a misfit for Eritrean politics, such an outlier that I wish people would stop volunteering me for leadership positions as I would be recalled same day 😀

            saay

          • iSem

            Sal;
            No, you are not misfit for Eritrean if you are libertarian. Are you?
            I know you think I am a left, but I am a libertarian I will fund raise for Nefasit head office so people would read
            😉

          • saay7

            iSem:

            There is libertarian-right and libertarian-left but you know that 🙂

            If a woman had said “ever since my father died, my husband has been like my dad” we would say she has daddy issues. So, what do we say when a man says, “ever since my mother died, my wife has been like my mama?” as Abiy did?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            Someone who hates his father!

          • saay7

            Fanti:

            Bad bad bad;) how un-Fanti of you. But you know what they say: knowledge is like a cow and the ones in Raya-Azebo have long horns.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay & Sem,

            Unfortunately, I know both of you through phone calls and through this virtual home of ours. I love both of you in your unique personalities in the political debate we are engaging. I hope one day to meet you in person. However, I do not think that much in the making of understanding each other on the politics of our nation. We have enough communications and engagements in the last decade or so.

            Dear Saay, ጓሳ ህዝቢ ምኳን ደአ ቀሊል መዓስ ኮይኑ :: ኣብ ምውቅ ገዛኻ ኮይንካ ከምዚ ንገብሮ ዘለና ደአ: ካብኡ ዝቀልል እንታይዶ አሎ እዩ:: ሰባት ንታሪኻዊ ጽውዒት ክቅበሉን ክአብዩን መሰል እኳ እንተሃለዎም: ንህዝባዊ ሓላፊነት ተቀቢልካ እጃመይ ገይረ አብትብለሉ ሰዓት ንህይወትካ ናይ መንፈስ ዕግበት ዝህቦ መተካእታ የብሉን:: ብሓጺሩ አገልግሎታትካ ኣብ ዓይነታዊ ለውጢ ህዝቢኻ ምስዝውዕ ማለተይ እዩ:: Punditry is easy to do it, and is always for personal satisfaction only.

            Regards

          • Amde

            Hello ክቡር አልጋወራሽ saay,

            As an Ethiopian, I don’t know whether to feel glee (due to your formidable talents), or despair (due to your formidable talents) by you foreswearing Eritrean political position.

            Amde

            PS. Now.. of course it would have to be a new አልጋ seeing as to how a certain someone has royally shat it.

          • saay7

            Hey Amde:

            Don’t get me in trouble: the አልጋወራሽ position has become a utility and nicknamed ዋርሳይ: inheritor in Tigryit, inheritor in borrowed Tigrinya and National Service Member in Eritrean English and “conscripted soldier” in plain English. As to the heir-apparent (Abraham Isaias Afwerki) I think it was assenna who reported that he was caught doing what everybody in his age group is doing: leaving the country.

            Remember the Soviet-era comedian Yakov Smirnoff who invented the Soviet Reversal jokes? Sample: in America you listen to the radio, in Soviet Russia the radio listens to you! Well, I didn’t foreswear Eritrean politics; it foreswore me!

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            All-Able is not the only one EPLF took from God, there was also a song that had in its lyrics Alfan Omegan.
            It was Berhane I Afewerki, the younger son who was caught trying to leave Eritrea. And it is true story
            You mention inheritors leaving Eri, it is ironic Not only that the kids of Yekaalo are leaving and dying , but they tell their parents did you fight for this? I know a distance relative who is proud EPLF and now PFDJ so much so that he named one of his daughters Dasse, after a place in Gash Barka (Nara area), who told here father you have to be ashamed when they argued and the mother intervened, and said you two let us eat our foods in peace
            This is without mentioning the tragedies like the former Yikaalo who lost 3 of his daughters, now lives in Toronto.
            Once Yikaalo now? I do not want to give them new name, not my area of expertiefs
            From funny comment this morning to serious blame it to Emma:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            I did not read assenna but I read an article by Abraham Zere that it’s Berhane (Isaias Afwerki third) who was caught escaping.

            Abraham is married and he is in the airforce.

            I belueve Abraham will be taking over after Isayas Afeworki.

            P.S. saay, you confuse purposely I think, liberating the people and leading the people after liberation:).

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe Y.

            Saay is studying Dr. Abiy’s rhetorical skills on how to relate to the population.

            I am more worried people will not get his sense of humor. Enquiring minds want to know: Is Saay funny in Tigrinya?

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            Extremely funny. I know about his writing way back.

            His tigrina I think is even better than his English. He use to be frequent guest on VOA Tigrinya, but I think he had some bad Skype interview and he can’t get over it:)

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            Yes, but do people get his humor? I get a kick out of seeing how people completely miss the humor.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            I don’t think everyone gets it, including me sometimes. You are very very special, you even get and understand TsaTse even saay can’t do that sometimes.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Emma:

            You are out of luck: I am the moderator on duty and your link has been removed. But I will google it and read the Obama bumper stickers and I will even read them in his hesistant faux Baptist Minister voice 🙂

            saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            Lols…I would take it easy…it is nothing against Obama…it can be used to pretty much any politician or revolutionary that dares to put our short/long term vision….I just see it as a lazy (but sometime effective) way of saying ‘vision presentation =/= implementation’…Depending where it come from, it could be simplistic but acceptable, or disingenuous meant to touch nerve….Many Ethiopians use ‘promises of Eritrean independence’ to the same effect, and I have seen many including Saay argue against that same line of argument from time to time…

            hm

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            The EPRDF chose AAA to lead the party and the nation as the new Prime Minister. There are a lot of symbolic and ground breaking changes that accompanies the choice that is extremely positive for the nation in its own right. That is my belief and opinion.
            .
            However, I don’t know the man prior to this event, neither a lot of other people.
            .
            I think, 180 very sr. officials of EPRDF, presumably who know him first hand for an extended period of time, voted for him. I have to give THAT fact some weight. They thought that is their best choice for the country at this time.
            .
            Now, days before he became our PM, some decided to tarnish him with flimsy tidbits from the internet. They chose to define him as lunatic and conman. This kind of tarnishing didn’t come from the average Nitricc, it came from those we regard in high esteem, here at Awate. This unfair characterization might even be picked up by others to drag his name through the mud.
            .
            For all I know, he might be an embarrassment and might turn out the way you describe him. If that is the case not only would I declare my disappointment at PMAA but deep concern at EPRDF itself.
            .
            I don’t think that is Bushian thinking. I think it is a normal thinking.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Mr K.H.

            ….and so? Every argument you have made here is valid. Where you have gone into Bush World is when you accused those of us who disagree with you as having malicious intent towards Ethiopia (that would be you) or when you equate our position with that of TPLF as if one has to necessarily be TPLF to make a judgement on the man (that would be Horizon.). Even the great Amde, perhaps out of some patriotic sense, has ocassionally drifted to your fallacy.

            Exhibits available upon request.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            A man got to know his limitations……someone said.
            I do too, I am not going further than what is said on this point.
            .
            For the record, I want to state that I didn’t accuse you or Hayat of malicious intent towards Ethiopia.
            I did identify those I believe had malicious intent towards Ethiopia directly by name here at Awate in the past.
            .
            Mr. K.H

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Kibur Amde,
        It is the few signals we have been discussing and maybe the instinct added. I have nothing to share but it felt like Ethiopia is entering a weirdo era.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      I don’t know what makes you to give this kind of reaction. But the speech was reconciliatory, all with in the boundary of standard speech, that people should always expected. Yes there are no original statements quotable in his speech, but all in all has given a good speech. On my side I gave him thumbs up and wish him success in the implementation of his promises.

      Regards

      • Hayat Adem

        Yes Emma,
        The speech is just fine but still it is a speech from a person who had made many fake plagiarized interviews; phony educational claims, bizarre references like his mom knew he would become PM since he was 7 and now prophet Birtikuan foretell about it landing him the spot.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          It is not how he landed on the helm, it is now how he will govern the complex component of Ethiopian social group. As far as he came with the blessing of EPRDF for the remaining years of the EPRDF’s governing term it should be okay. Any failure of the PM is the failure of EPRDF for they brought him from the rank and files of the Front-Party.

          Second, you have to appreciate the peaceful transition of power and as such from such complex party and complex society. Solving the interest of the parties that formed the front along side with the interests of the nation is a heck difficult just to think about it. So EPRF is doing not bad taking in to consideration the mistrust of the major social groups.

          Third, the Ethiopians who tries to frame their Ethiopia politics with “thrones and dethroned” is not helpful to the overall Ethiopian politics. And more so when the newly elected PM is from the same EPRDF circle. Those kind of thinking will not help to the political health of the front and by extension to the overall Ethiopian politics. So in a such political atmosphere, the outside observers should only wished him the new leader to be successful and his colleagues to contribute their best effort to his success.

          Regard

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Queen,

      What is going on? Tell me now which one is correct? Now, I think we have to wait and see to this fresh climate it seems to me..This is good start.

      KS,,

      • Hayat Adem

        Kokhobey,
        Wait is for something or someone that you can able to stay optimistic but yet doubting. The best I could wish is that I am wrong on him.

  • iSem

    New Ethiopian PM raises the bar with a mile deep and mile wide first speech
    Hi All:
    By weaving the story of his late mother and thanking his soulmate and his friends and family the new prime minsters sets new norm in the Ethiopia political landscape and I hope future leaders will follow.
    He invokes Thomas Jefferson by asserting that Ethiopian citizens have the right to pursue wealth and happiness. He touches on women issues, youth issues and unfortunate destruction that transpired and he also apologizes. We do not need pay with life he said in an apparent shunning of violence. It is time for rconciallation, love and forgiveness. He set the stag by weaving themes of unity when he said all Ethiopians have died to defend Ethiopia and now are fertilizing the land in their death in unison. He acknowledged that opposing and competing ideas are good for the country. He admitted the any missed opportunities, the heart ache and pain and blood shed. He thanks the opposition for their struggle to make the country a better place. He called on all opposition inside and outside the country for a dialogue.
    Ethiopia has turned a corner with this speech, how much he is able to accomplish ramins to be seen.
    Oh and the “may God bless America and folded flag that he received from the outgoing PM, well, I am glad that he did not a receive pack of Qaat just to be different than the USA and be original and for sure it is not plagiarizing.
    Congratulations to Ethiopian awatistas, now you have a deceased PM, who is buried in Ethiopia and his remains are part of the Ethiopian soil, a former PM in DH and a new PM and under your political belt. Goo d luck

    • Paulos

      Semerile,

      When Gaddafi was pulled out of his hideouts like a rabid dog, Isaias was frightened. When Isaias sees a smooth power transfer on his backyard, he is frightened. He is frightened of either extremes.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Paulos

        “When Gaddafi was pulled out of his hideouts like a rabid dog, Isaias was frightened. When Isaias sees a smooth power transfer in his backyard, he is frightened. He is frightened of either extremes.”

        No matter how see things, the fact of the matter is, both the regime changes in Tripoli and Addis have Western Powers fingerprint all over them.

        The oust of Gaddafi was made possible by NATO air raid and by Western political and diplomatic covers.

        The current transfer of power in Addis was made possible by Western powerbrokers cajoling, arm twisting, promising, threatening, bribing…….

        Lucky for Ethiopia and Ethiopians the West took a position to reform EPRDF rather than completely defeating it.

        IMAGINE IF THE WEST WAS ON THE SIDE OF GINBOT

        Semere Tesfai

        • Paulos

          Selam Ato Semere,

          You are absolutely right. In Psychology, the experts divide “Immature Defence Mechanism” into ten and “Rationalization” is one among the ten.

          People, instead of facing the reality and deal with it, they try to justify the situation in such a way that fits their sense of reality but the thing is, they can not escape the sound of inevitability.

        • iSem

          Good morning Semere. tsabe sitte wedi ‘ta halele meriet
          Yea, you are right, the EPRDF are total robots
          However, the Eritrean ghedli was an Eritrean inspired, Eritrean led with zero western finger prints, with zero Arab finger prints, PURE Eritrean idea and execution.
          The HD Frankfurt speech, the Akria movement, the G-15 have western finger prints on it. Awate.com from its humble roots to its vibrant comment section has western finger prints. In this word
          Ya bidAA Semere Tesfai

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam isem
      I never expected u like this kind of speech at all,
      I thought u stand for hate . narrowizm, tigraitigragn and so on. I guess am wronge

      • iSem

        Hi TA;
        YES,You are very wrong, I will let my friends talk about what speeches I like.
        One advice for u, do not hang out a lot with private Nitricc:-)

    • Nitricc

      semere; did you say ” Ethiopia has turned a corner with this speech, how much he is able to accomplish ramins to be seen” since when is a speech is a turning point? Dumb. He is con man and he will fool, fools like you. I wonder what your IQ is. dumb!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Nitricc,
        .
        Nitricc, Field Marshall General Dada Nitricc, I am glad to find you where I expected you.
        You are right, the speech is not a turning a corner exercise. It is just a speech of introducing himself, his voice, his name to his countrymen.
        .
        Now, before we call him a con man or a genius, let us wait and see for a year or so and base it on the results of what he does. Fair?
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Nitricc

          Hi KIM; only a con man can have a family in the US, Seattle, with 15000 Birr monthly salary. Can you tell me how he can afford that. in case 15000 Birr is 800 dollars. Now did you see where the con-man came from?

      • iSem

        hi Nitricc:
        How do you know that he will fool, prove that one celled man
        and why are you oppossed with Ethiopia and never say anything about Eri.
        Did u wake up on the wrong side because your ilk will be not be able to serve in the USA military any more. Figure what I mean your ilk
        Ethiopians demonstrated in Addis because the govrt took their real estate and Ethiopia now has gone thru 4 PMs in the last 28 years, Layna, Meles, DH and now AA,while a people who no one knows where they came from are ruling our country. I told you I am beyond your level so stop debating with me, you are do for cell transplant, I talked to Thomas and he told me he is willing to donate some spare brain cells,do that and we can talk

        • Nitricc

          sunshine; I have never debated with you for the record. to debate, it takes two. you are nothing but a fool with a big mouth. Now, go to your TPLF and cray.

          • iSem

            Nitricc;
            I give you my sympathies for the heart break, do not worry you will find a new boy friend. Get lost

          • Nitricc

            semere; the real tragedy is you think you got it? You think that you are smart. That is the tragedy. One con man gave a meaningless speech and then he is the greatest. Dumb.

          • iSem

            Nitricc:
            when did I say he gave a great speech. My comment was for the literate, those who can read.
            Any person with half brain knows that history was made in Ethiopia, he said thing that no one has said before.
            What is meaningless in his speech , give me one. Did he create novel ideas, NO
            you are just so hurt, admit it and u will be healed

          • Nitricc

            Semere suny; Why do I get hurt? if anything You should get hurt due to the demotion of your masters, the TPLF. Why do you think I give a flying hoot? To give you one, he appeaser. he is going to try to appease everybody and he will go down face first. But again what do you know about being a leader. Dumb.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitricc,

            What happen to you? Why so much emotion? If you are lucky enough he will reply to you “cool” so let us see now..

            KS,,

  • Mez

    Hi Hope,

    Thanks

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Beyan,

    If the truth of the “relationship” angers you, it didn’t start with you. You will slowly absorb it. Why do you need to say arrogance when people disagree with your way of thinking? I will not indulge to your kind of talking. I do not expect from you, however, it is a lesson of the day to me.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Aman,

      He will come back ,,once he got the point..

      KS,,

  • iSem

    Hi brother Beyan: yes, you succeeded in becoming illogical. No one is accusing the former EPLFitte, who are now in the opp as comrades of qetali: Let me borrow from you and distil it in outrageously simple manner. here is what we are saying: EPLF was complex organization mostly manned with good people, but it was swaddled in the good and the people, the good people were hoodwinked and hijacked and that hijacking did not suddenly happen in 2001. When people got what was happening, on their on time, left and joined the opp and when the family of the Qetali join the opp, anyone who calls them that is so outrageously dumb because that will prove that how heinous qetali their brother has become. But do not hold your breath for that outrageous logic to happen, you have more chance of winning the power ball that that logic materializing:-)

    • Beyan

      Dear iSem,

      You said it eloquently. Let me borrow Aman’s notion: I rest my case. May the topic and my pen on this topic rest in peace! It’s rare occurrence that one can leave from blood boiling subject with such ease. Thank you for doing that. Well said, bro.

      Cheers,
      Beyan

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank you Beyan,,

        I was disappointed… your approach to people who are not used.

        KS,,

  • Paulos

    Ayenta,

    That is just brilliant! Thank you Sir! As you have aptly pointed it out. The malignancy is not in-situ any more, it has metastasized. Again, the epicenter is not with in the “misunderstanding—misunderstanding my azz!” between Eritrea and Ethiopia but it has long spread way beyond that.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam All, there is a very good news coming out of Israel today. The Israeli government has agreed with the UNHCR to settle some 16000 African immigrants, mostly Eritreans and Sudanese, to the Western countries. The rest of them will be given asylum and work permits in Israel to be integrated in the Israeli society.
    Kudos to all those individuals and organizations and the Israeli justice system for speaking on behalf of these unfortunate souls.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/02/israel-agrees-un-deal-scrap-plan-deport-african-asylum-seekers

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Abraham,

      Good news indeed. Thank you for the info.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Aman, as you might have noticed, there has been a very sad turn of events in this issue. The Israeli PM has changed his mind and cancelled the deal he reached with the UN after opposition from members of his coalition as well as some residents of Southern Tel Aviv.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Abraham,

          Oh, No. The rays of hope gone like in a blink. Very sad. When will be the end of their predicament?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Aman, yeah it is a huge setback, at least we hope they drop the initial plan to send them to Africa, and that the Western countries find some better solution for them.

    • iSem

      Hi Ab H:
      Welcome back:
      bsratka…
      In the land of laws, the tussle between the good and evil, the good has high chance of winning

  • Paulos

    Selam Hope,

    My faith is Tewahdo–Orthodox.

  • sara

    Good afternoon Awtistas! what is commonly known history of our heroic armed strugle is –EPLF is the precursor of PFDJ as much as ELF is of EPLF, and trying to split hair and create new narrative has failed in the past and want work now .

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Good morning Awatistas!
    This is to all those who argue thw PFDJ IS NOT EPLF and attack individuals everytime EPLF is mentioned listen to your so called leaders in Ypfdj meeting how theywant theህዝባዊ ግንባር metality to continueaand how it is deeply entrenched in Pfdj.
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=411648385962906&id=100013532436909
    28 years on he is still talking about principles of ስውራ!
    Ethiopians in this forum, congratulations for Abyi’s Frank and honest speech that awaits to be seen in practice.

    • Beyan

      Dear Dr. Sarah

      I saw it on FB last night and jotted a quick response at the individual’s FB. Since Awatawit brought it up here in the forum, allow me to expound on the hasty note I wrote. Notice the de-emphasis of Higdef and the group greatly emphasized ህዝባዊ ግንባር:: The first question that comes to mind is why? The reason is simple as far as I am concerned. Unless it claims or makes these impressionable young PDFJites by invoking ህዝባዊ ግንባር in its narrative as the entire country is being governed by ህዝባዊ ግንባር, the propaganda coming under such single narrative will fall apart. This is an insult to those who fought to bring independence. Former EPLF fighters should not and ought to not allow their struggle be hijacked by Higdef, the criminal syndicate. When the girl was speaking, she didn’t say a word of Higdef. Even in the little mekhete, the girls were only invoking about hidri ghedli.

      Now, it behooves us all, especially those who fought an honest fight, former EPLF tegadelti should never allow Higdef to own the legacy of ህዝባዊ ግንባር much as nobody should allow anyone to hijack the ELF narrative for their propaganda purposes. These two organizations have their place in Eritrea’s history, the opposition, be it groups or individuals or both shouldn’t hastily draw such conclusions as you seem to have drawn that EPLF and Higdef as one and the same.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Beyan,

        I think you are talking about different clip. The clip Dr Sarah linked for us to listen is Zemhret. And not a lady.

        • Beyan

          Selam Aman,

          My bad! Now, i need to watch and listen to one of Higdef’s top notch thinkers. Will do so later. Interestingly, the book I am currently reading has his footprints all over it as Hidri publishing house head – Propaganda machination, I suppose. He certainly emerges one of Higdef’s mastermind ideologue who has no patience anyone who dared to cross the ideology of the regime even in a poetry format as the late Dr. Reesom tried to do. I will edit my response to Dr. Sarah’s so it appropriately reflects my intention.

          Many thank, Aman for correcting me.

          Beyan

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            You are welcome Beyanom. It happens with all of us.

          • Beyan

            Selam Kbur AH & KS,

            That was certainly poor choice of word on my part. But it saddens me to see someone of your caliber who – more often than not – tells us to focus on issues that help us rid of the man at the helm and that anything less ought to not do. Believe you me, I remember your words when I write to try to think that anything I write, to the extent that I can, I want it to be one that unify us, one that helps us see the bigger picture that connects the dots to the enemy number one. Didn’t even realize what the man said was from eleven years back – Talk about the height of irrelevancy. I couldn’t believe how the ELF in you came out on this thread where you tow the partisan ELF-line as though you were in the trenches ready to shoot at the enemy. That’s what I found disappointing.

            Hawkum,
            Beyan

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Beyan

            Actually, I was sure of your above post..or I was certainly,sure you will come with such..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Began,
            You thought you make it better, but trust me you make worse. Because you are accusing me of partisanship. I do not want to go further, I know who I am. Thank you.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Sarah,

      Thank you for the clip. Now they could hear straight from the horse’s mouth.

      The ideologue of the Party “Zemhret” clearly demonstrated that the party is a continuation of EPLF, in his speech to the YPFDJ. Here are four key statements he made clear to YPFDJ,

      (a) ንህዝባዊ ግንባር ናይ ወለዶታት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ክኸውን አለዎ::

      (b) ህዝባዊ ግንባር ናብ ሳልሳይ ወለዶ ክቅጽል አለዎ::

      (c) ንስኻትኩም ካደራት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ኢኹም::

      (d) ንስኻትኩም ንመትከላት ሰውራ ወረስቲ ኢኹም:;

      Now Saay and Mahmuday have to rest your case. The verdict is given by the ideologue of the party, that PFDJ is a continuation of EPLF in principle and on practice.

      Regards

      • sara

        Ato Amanuel
        wasn’t the ” ideologue” of these party an “apparatchik” of the old party.indeed as you rightly stated it is a continuation of the past to the future young Eritreans, of course the rest is a simple every day rhetoric repeated by all
        old-timers.
        with respect.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sis Sara,

          Yes you are right. For their old party (EPRP), Haile W/tensae, known as Dur’e, was the ideologue of the party. Now PFDJ replace it to be an open party, as oppose to the old clandestine party. Actually PFDJ is a continuation of EPRP in kind, because EPLF is front.

      • halafi me(n)gedi

        Aman,

        I am not qualified to comment whether EPLF is same as or different from PFDJ. I see some similarities and some differences, but could not reach conclusion (yet). Watched the clip but i reached different conclusion than yours. I think they are trying to borrow/steal from the real or perceived greatness of EPLF. I didn’t see him doing an effort to give any details about history and principles of eplf and how they align with that of pfdj….but i might be missing some context.
        hm

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam HM,

          If you read my reply to Sara, I made one distinction and at the same time explained how they relate to each other. You can not equate a party to a front. But you can equate the party that was running the front with the party that is running the state. EPFDJ is a continuation of EPRP the same in principle and in deeds only they differ the kind of institutions they run.

          We debate this issue for years. Finally, we heard from the horse’s mouth, justifying our argment. You could disagree with them, but they are telling us that they are. Remember EPLF and EPFDJ were/is formed in the image of the creator “Issayas Afeworki” and his senior cadre told to YPFDJ that they will be organized in the image of EPLF. Those oppose must argue with them. I agree with their explanation on this issue.

          Regard

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Aman,
            I think I see where you coming from; the fact that they see themselves as eplf and continue to organize in the image eplf is an evidence eplf = pfjd. I would consider this as supportive evidence although alternative explanations are possible (such as, they are trying to steal the perceived greatness of eplf). What i am having a little issue with is that you seem to suggest (and apologies in advance if i misunderstood you) that this is kind of the conclusive verdict in support of the argument that you espoused for a long time (i.e., eplf =pfdj). This is problematic to me because I am sure you don’t consider zemehret and co as truthful and honest people, and you seem to be taking their words at face value this time just because they appear to confirm your ‘a priori’.
            again, sorry if i misunderstood you.
            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            Sorry I read you reply late. How do you forget that EPLF also belong to PFDJ. Brother, if EPLF is their own history, which is true, whose greatness are going to steal this people? This has nothing to do with truthfulness and honesty of Zemhret or not. It is simply historical fact that EPLF is their history, in fact some of them had great roll to run the organization. Simply PFDJ is a continuation of EPLF in different form. For now they are the custodian of EPLF’s history.

            Regards

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            As I said earlier, I have quite a bit of history to learn to judge on whether eplf=pfdj, i see many similarities, but some huge differences too. But, specifically speaking about the claim of fact by ZY, i see it as a quaternary level of evidence (and that is barring alternative explanations). I am sure you have stronger evidences to support your position, but i thought you came a wee bit stronger on your claim based on this particular evidence.

            hm

      • MS

        Selam Emma
        Did PFDJ say anything different in the past? Why is this new to you, or you missed it while studying Meles Zenawi? Well, it says a lot about you waiting for validation from PFDJ bosses. Sorry, man.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Mahmuday,

          Arkucha, I have studied our evil man in the 70s, when he pulled Betsy Goitom from Rora Habab and Dr Eyob Gebrelul from Hamassien, Mogos Fasil & Wedi Flanssa from Serae area to put them in prison, in 1976.

          Mahmuday, I was fun of Issayas before you become fun of him. In 1972 when I was in Addis, a group of Eritreans were listening radio German in Amharic. This was during the civil war between the two organizations (ELF and ELF-PF). Radio German had broadcasted that Issayas is killed in a fierce battle around Karura (I think it is in Gerager, Sudan). We were depressed until we get info from the field that the news was wrong. I do not have soft spot on him now. I pray that his life has to be snatched from this world right now, this evil man.

          The conceptual belief I have is not to please Issayas and his group, but to serve the truth. EPRP that lead the front and brought to a closure the cause of our struggle and EPFDJ that is governing Eritrea today, do not have any difference in principle, except in their structural form. Okay Mahmuday Arkey.

          Regards

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            May i ask , what is ur definition of traitors? I mean as u rightly said it, u been not just admirer of the revolution ideology and the leader isaias himself but u were ready to give ur life for what u believe is right. My question is , why is that u make Issaias looks like somebody who came in power by codata?
            Changing mind and a traitor r two different things. Did u change ur mind?

          • MS

            Ahlan Emma
            You keep mix and confuse matters. Please read before replying. You implied as if Zemheret speaks for me. Sorry, but let me tell you what exactly you said, ” Now Saay and Mahmuday have to rest your case.” OK, let me tell you what this means: you are telling us Zemhret represents us, or to put it plainly, you are telling us SAAY and Mahmud are PFDJ. I have exchanged in this forum, years ago, that leaving values Eritreans consider theirs, including positive ghedli and EPLF ones should not be abandoned to PFDJ to cherish on it. [Of course, I’m not talking about you and lots who think the same way you do.]
            Good that you knew IA long before many of us had known him. But that did not help you save ELF from getting kicked out of the field; that did not help you from enlarging your EDM that ate ELF from within, that did not help you to form an opposition that counteracts to IA that you know well. Tell me what did knowing IA help you to accomplish. What is the bragging about knowing “your enemy” if you could not use that knowledge to change the situation, or if you don’t end up being a survival?
            Tell you what, if I were to hire a campaign manager, and I had only two persons, Zemhret and Emma left from the pool, I would hire Zemhret.
            Emma, your views are not forward looking but divisive. let us call it for what it is. You are neck deep in the past grudges and that type of attitude could not serve for an inspiring call.
            I know I don’t have a soft spot for IA and I have records to back it up. Also, I have to tell you that I lost all the soft spots I had for people who went through the experience you had gone through. You have become a gridlock for possible change, and unless the a new wave snatches the initiative, the story of the “Opposition” you belong to will soon have a bad end.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Mahmuday,

            Okay, okay, Mahmuday…. don’t be angry. The history of EPLF does also belong to me, because they were fighting for the cause I was fighting for. Get it that right at least. They were not and are not the enemy of Amanuel. Get it that right also. And do not be irritated if we speak about the flaws of our ghedli.

            First, I did not mixed it at all. You do not understand the topic of the debate. The debate was on the relationship of EPLF to EPFDJ. The only thing I mentioned your name and Saay is to recall what argument we had in the past on the same topic; and thus, I was saying the video clip did support my position on the argument we had. That was in a nutshell, conveying my message. Therefore, it does not imply that you and Saay are PFDJ in that comment of mine.

            Second, my knowledge to the nature of Issayas came when you try to tease me by saying that I missed the clip to study MZ. And therefore, I tried to make you aware that I know to the evil of ours too.

            Third, I am proud for what I was trying to accomplish in the Eritrean revolution, and I have never ashamed of my failure in the struggle that demand collective effort. You see Mahmuday, what we have to be ashamed is, when the sacrifice of our heroes and heroines did not emancipate the Eritrean people and we let them to another bondage of our own despot, who was groomed by us tegadelti in the field. To tell this fact is not a sin in front our young generations. That is the difference between me and you.

            Have a good night.

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            እንታይ አዮም ዝብሉ ዓበይቲ ዓዲ ከምዚ ምስ ተረኽበ? በል ህግድፍ ኣብ ደምበኻ ስዒሮምካ። ኣብ ኤርትራ ዘይኮነስ ኣብ ስደት ስዒሮምካ።
            “You see Mahmuday, what we have to be ashamed is, when the sacrifice of our heroes and heroines did not emancipate the Eritrean people and we let them to another bondage of our own despot, who was groomed by us tegadelti in the field.”
            Really? As if you were not portraying EPLF as a band that would have disbanded had IA died? As if you were not telling us EPLF=IA; as if you were not reducing EPLF to Nehnan Elamanan and as if you were not p[ortraying it as a sectarian group? Now, you speak about the sacrifices of heroes and heroines? Who are the heroes and heroines? They must be IA since you said EPLF was reducible to IA.
            Anyway, I will cut it off here. Past exchanges in this matter have been really depressing, and I don’t expect any good result out of the same Emklilo (merry-go-round) debates.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Once you have that bad impression, you could not remember what I have said or did not say about EPLF. Since you take the organization as your private estate, if anything thing wrong mentioned about the organization , you start to lose your common understanding about the issue at hand. Let me tell you one fact: There is no EPLF without Issayas, but there could have EPLF without Mahmuday. So let us leave it there.

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            Thank you, sir. You saved me time by crystalizing your view on this topic.
            “There is no EPLF without Issayas, but there could have (sic) EPLF without Mahmuday. So let us leave it there.”
            I rest forever my debate with you on this matter. As far as our personal relationship, that is a different story.
            Have a nice night.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam MS,
            .
            ……I rest forever my debate with you on this matter…..
            .
            This sounds like you wont bring up or if someone else brings it up you will not get hooked and debate endlessly. We will see if it holds.
            Do you want me to memorialize it in a form of legal…Final and binding agreement. I will draft the agreement if you wish, to be kept at Awate library? Very nominal charge.
            .
            Mr. K. H

      • saay7

        Selamat Emma:

        What case are Saay and Mahmuday resting?:) And, more importantly, why are we discussing a speech given by Zemehret Yohannes in 2007, eleven years ago?

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Abu Saleh,

          For me it is new. If I knew it, I would have used for my argument when people were insisting to seperate EPFDJ from EPLF. The issue is they want to more EPLF than the creator of the organization.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Do you think an organization like PFDJ would disown the EPLF, an organization towards whom many Eritreans have a lot of goodwill, nostalgia and sense of pride? Have you not noticed how the organization almost never identifies itself by its Tigrinya acronym (ህግደፍ) but only with the portion of the accronym it shares with EPLF (ህዝባዊ ግንባር)? If many of those enlisted with you to fight PFDJ are former EPLF fighters does it make any sense to keep insisting EPLF=PFDJ=EPLF? Just in this forum alone there are many writers who take pride in EPLF but disdain PFDJ: how does it in any way make sense to say that EPLF = PFDJ? It makes perfect sense for Zemehret to say it (because he is trying to tell the EPLFites that PFDJ is their home; he is trying to tell the young who don’t know anything about either that just like the EPLF performed miracles in the liberation war so will the PFDJ in nation building. But how does it make any sense for Emma, a man enlisted in the struggle for emancipation, a man who is trying to enlarge the size of the emancipators?

            saay

            PS: strictly from a “how to build a viable organization”, Zemehret offers a lot of free advice that we in the opposition can use. The importance of adoptive ideology, organizational discipline, leadership

          • iSem

            Hi Emma:
            Yes, it makes perfect sense for ZY to say what he said, given what we know now about his org, that is only goal is to survive and pass the baton to their ilk, to keep oppressing us. But if it was to democratize Eri after the first task, liberating the land succeeded, for smooth transition to the next phase what ZY said make NO sense. If we knew what we know now ሻዕብያ ክትሓቅቅ አለዋ እምይ ምበልናን.
            It seems to me that the debate whether EPLF=PFDJ is muddied here because even if they do not use the full name of the new org, the fact that they do what PFDJ does and yet invoke EPLF is not one way street, the themes flow into both direction. Think about. They are trying to inspire the young by channeling EPLF, fine, but is that not contradictory given what PFDJ does now: what PFDJ is doing now is just and right, just like what EPLF did yesterday, we are in the right track so, we will triumph, let us just go forward. How does this make sense?

            I actually answered my question, it makes sense because due the protracted war the likes of ZY and IA and others suffered amnetia, abaykum meherbot ክምዚ አይመሸለናን

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay (Aya Adi-U),

            Do you ever heard the good EPLFites saying that the know what was going inside the organization, but, ምእንቲ መጎጎ ትሕለፍ አንጭዋ ኢሎም: ንስለ ሃገራዊ ነጻነት ኢሎም: ነቲ ዝርእይዎ ዝነበሩ ገበናት ከምዘይ ረአይዎ ይኸዱ ከምዝነበሩ ብዙሓት እኮ ይሕብሩ እዮም:: ሓደ ሰፊሕ ግንባር ቅኑዓትን ዘይቅኑዓት ተጋደልቲ ከም ዝሓቁፍ ትስሕቶ አይመስለንን:: ስለዚ እዞም ንፍትሒ ምሳና ዝቃለሱ ዘለው እቶም ቅኑዓት ተጋደልቲ ህዝባዊ ግንባር እኮ እዮም:: እቲ ወሳኒ ሓይሊ ኣብ ውሽጢ እቲ ግንባር ከአ ኢሳያስን ጉጅልኡን ከምዝነበረ እኮ ይግንዘብዎ እዮም:: ንናጽነት አስተዋጽኦ ዘበርከትዎ መንዶ ዝዝንግዖ አሎ እዩ? Therefore, there is nothing that gives them concern, on debating the implicit relationship between EPRP that lead the front and the PFDJ that govern the Eritrea of today. Remember, we can not change the history of that era and its relationship with ruling party.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma Arkey:

            Here is a contradiction, which is representative about the confused state of our opposition:

            1. Nobody bemoans the opposition’s lack of focus, its tendency to be distracted hither and yonder like a yo-yo by fleeting things more than you;

            2. Conversely, when it comes to discussion about decades that have gone by and which contribute nothing positive to our current struggle nobody jumps more eagerly, nobody refuses to leave that pond more adamantly, than you.

            Somewhere, our old nemesis Zemehret is smiling to himself of how an 11 year old speech he gave is going to send us into one of those useless debates.

            I know ምስ ነኸስካ ኣይትገድፍን but just this once, let it go. For every bad boy iSem who says ፅቡቅ ገበርካዬም many more ተሕርር ኣለኻ. If you don’t believe me take a survey of former EPLF fighters. That’s the last I will say on this subject.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Saay,

            Nothing bad did I say against “እቶም ቅኑዓት ተጋደልቲ ህዝባዊ ግንባር.” I can not make clear myself than my last reply to you. There is clear distinction in my statement. But, what makes them angry when I make historical relationship between the two parties, and the two parties with the front. Who in his right mind could say there is no any kind of relationships of the parties with the front, how small or big it might be? I do not understand. Can someone from EPLFites tell me with reasons that that there is no any kind of historical relationship whatsoever the two parties with the front?

            Regards

    • Hope

      Selam Dr Sarah:
      ” Anghet Yetefetrew Azuro Lemayet new”!
      So u think that if a PFDJ “Figure” said so it means that the EPLF=PFDJ?
      Are you seriou,Dottoressa?
      Please, let us use and apply Common Sense!
      For God’s sake,what do you expect the PFDJ to tell you?
      Do you know who and what the Status of Zemhret is?

    • iSem

      Hi Sarah:
      If is is news to some, they are in denial. EPLF/PFDJ should have been dissolved not in 2001, not now, but in early 1990s if Eritrea was to have some chance at succeeding. Let us compare apples to apples, let us compare EPLF to TPLF, TPLF is in the process of being dissolved and it is good thing for everyone.
      The PFDJ works likes this: recruits smart people in the top, look at YPFDj and then rest are herds following the cream a the top and the herd gets slaughter and since they are herd they do not even know that they are been slaughtered. Even kind of ants in Asia know when the predator comes and they old ant colonies they gather and they explode,committing suicide and releasing some chemicals to kill/repele the enemy and this way they protect the young ant colony. But our herd do not even protect their own kids, they willfully give it to the enemy, like the devil worshiper who slaughters his children to please the devil. it is time we stop counting the human herd as people
      Oh, Zemheret, do not even start we know his vulture business and he is the colleague was Dr. Ghergis who reportedly said “let us just confiscate all the currency in the bank
      That is whey our enemy is dangerous because they cannot even save themselves or their children, an act that is second nature to ants and animals

    • Paulos

      Selam Dr. Sarah,

      I remember what Tewelde said when he was asked why Zemhret opted to join EPLF instead of staying back and fight, he said, ተስፋ ስኢኑ. I say, the take away lesson from the video is not the ultimate validation of the argument if EPLF is one and the same with PFDJ, rather, Zemhret is not enthused at all where he seems to be giving a dry lecture devoid of a substance and veracity as well.

    • Peace!

      Dear Sara

      This is totally embarrassing, a long timer awatista falls onto PFDJ’s trap. Well, if you think Bitewedid is PFDJ, then PFDJ has more credit than the toothless (Nitric) opposition groups.

      Peace!

    • blink

      Dear Sara
      First this is old , i guess over 10 years second there is no logic that PFDJ will abandon EPLF ,why will they not use the dead party ,in order to own the people they need to hit the drum even though they know it is false claim .If people like you who flex their acadamic muscle could not guess PFDJ game plan , what chance does one farmer has ? I still wonder what benefit you got from the 24/7 EPLF attack .

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    PM Abiy made a speech after officially crowned by the Ethiopian House. The speech has is all in all eprdfite in substance except few new intonations were added. The new PM has mentioned and praised his family and friends and God in unusual way. The speech touched many issues and was generally well delivered. He has also invited Isayas for a talk, which was done by the previous two PMs, as well, and rejected by Isayas. We can safely predict this one two will be turned down by IA as he has no benefit from any talks solving the stalemate.

    • Kebessa

      Hello Hayat,
      You are correct Isaias will reject Ahmed’s call. Isaias will try to milk the no-war no-peace situation as long as possible, perhaps until he is Mugabe’s age. The only issue he is thinking about right now is how to quickly kill Ethiopia’s call for peace without being seen as a rejector in the eyes of the international community.

    • Amde

      Hi Hayat,

      I don’t know if I can call it an EPRDF speech. They didn’t know whether to applaud or not, so he just went through it.

      But it worked for me.

      He also revealed himself to be something of a feminist, praising his now deceased mother who raised him in poverty, started him on his path while he was just seven years old. He also praised his wife, honoring her for being his new mother, got being his wife, and the mother of his children. I think he got the female vote sewn up.

      He also explicitly apologized to the many kids that were killed over the past couple of years. That will be huge.

      All in all, an excellent speech.

      Amde

      • Selam Amde,

        In my opinion it was the best inaugural speech an incoming pm could have delivered. He covered all aspects of ethiopian life and politics, and expressed his wish to improve the shortcomings, especially on the government side.

        He stressed on the following topics i could pick out from his speech:
        – ethiopia: (the importance of ethiopian unity and ethiopanism),
        – politics: (democracy with freedom, the right for dissent, criticism and opposition by respecting the constitution),
        – social problems: (good governance and equality under the law, government corruption and nepotism, narrow ethnicism and religious fanaticism and division),
        – the economy: (poverty reduction, job creation for the young, a call for more FDI),
        – education: (improving the quality of education),
        – the young: (whom he says are the future owners of ethiopia),
        – call for the diaspora and ethiopian women to participate in nation building,
        – apologies to the families of those who lost their lives due to excessive force by the government, and those who lost their lives on line of duty, ……etc,

        All in all, i too find his inaugural address satisfactory, and i hope that it is followed by actions that bear fruit for the people and the country.

        • Amde

          Hi Horizon,

          I thought it was a phenomenal speech. It is amazing when both ESAT and OPride are gushing over it. EPRDF may grind their teeth about it being a populist (ህዝበኛ) speech, but it managed to do so many things is a short 30something minutes.

          It is groundbreaking in many ways, and I think it should best be seen as symbolizing a generational shift from the revolutionary era, its personalities and sordid histories.

          The statements of both Hailemariam and Abiy in the palace were just as great actually. PMHD comes as a really decent man who just didnt get the opportunity to shape the country as he wanted.
          What a pity. Abiy managed to say something good about all the leaders from Menelik onwards. He was smooth.

          And whoever is managing the visuals is doing great work. It just gives us the feeling of a new young family moving in. The wives and kids probably didnt intend to be part of the show, but showing them completely humanizes the process.

          I am cynical as to what he can accomplish, but I would like to express my gratitude to PM Abiy, TeamLemma and even the reluctant EPRDF for this day at least.

          የዛሬው ደስተኛ Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            So you have gone all in on the First Family and First Lady thing huh. Somebody at Twitter is threatening me that he will post a video showing ቀደማዊ እመቤቶች የስራ ርክክብ ሲያደርጉ. Please no.

            My favorite pic is that of the outgoing and incoming PMs holding the constitution. Made me misty-eyed for OUR constitution.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Lol.. You mean you did not see the picture of the First Ladies sitting to the right and left of the First ሰፌድ?

            Funny enough, your post made me realize that I am past believing a Constitution is a cure-all. I know this is dangerous slippery slope talk but….

            It doesnt matter how nice it is if the powers that be dont follow it or are selective about it. This constitution is good enough So was the Derg’s. So was HaileSellasie’s.

            The person(s) in power matters more I think. So does the way he comes to power. My optimism is grounded more in that.

            For example, it is a revolutionary act for us that a Prime Minister of Ethiopia says “God Bless Ethiopia” in Parliament. One can say God has nothing to do with it, but it is a deeply religious country, and a parliamentary speech by its leader should reflect the nation in some form.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Oh boy. Did he say “God bless Ethiopia” or “May God bless Ethiopia”? This is just wholesale importation of Americanism. In the US, “God Bless America” (by which, what’s really meant is, “May God Bless The United States of America”) has its own origins (World War I), its own song, its own rationale and its own counter-song.

            On the constitution: what I meant is that of all the symbolisms–PMHD handing PMAA a folded flag, the “First Family”, the “First Wives”–the one that has endurance is the joint pic of two individuals who assumed power peacefully holding a document that gives them legitimacy.

            saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Saay7,
            He said “May God bless Ethiopia and her peoples”. The word he chose for God is “feTari”. I thought that was sleek. Neither Egziabhier nor Rebi.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            The video intended to make everybody free and feel good and equal. It is always been like that.

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            Well, nobody dies waving a constitution; they do it waving a flag so it doesn’t surprise me that he bowed down when holding the flag (which symbolizes, among other things, those who died for it) whereas the constitution is a contract and the right thing to do is hold it.

            Of course those who don’t think the flag is the Ethiopian flag (arengwade bicha qey) but an EPRDF banner (with star-and-spkes) will probably have a lot to say about that. But probably not today.

            saay

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            I actually thought he was bowing more to HaileMariam as an elder for peacefully transferring power. In his later speech at the palace he lavished praise on him to the extent of saying that he wishes his term would be like Hailemariam’s. Obviously he meant it as leaving on a peaceful orderly transfer, nit by resigning.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            He took the constitution first and than the flag later , so he bow for ethiopia but not bow down for the constitution . just showed respect for the constitution thinking there will be amendment for the future.
            U never know?

    • Mez

      Dear Hayat,

      You stated: “….safely predict this one too will be turned down by IA as he has no benefit….”
      1) your prediction may still be valid if all the major factors affecting the power of PIA remain constant. But I think things are changing slowly and fundamentally.
      1.a) from the era of liberation struggle, until the past few months the Sudan was “open” for any informal and some formal business with Eritrea; that is now set in motion for a change.
      2) if KSA–by extension UAE–are not that much helpful for Sudan, they won’t do better for PIA.
      3) to further it’s interest, the new global economic power–China, may want to see some good justure from from North and South of the Mereb river; before it can accelerate its capital investment in the Eritrean evonomy.
      4) the nature of conventional war theatre evolved over the past 15-20 years considerably; keeping such a war status may be dangerous.
      5) the western powers remain the same.

      Thanks

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam hayat
      Pm abiy praised ethiopia, his mother and wife above anything. Nothing prais for tplf/ eprdf armed struggle that tells u how he is different from tplf /eprdf.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Hayata,

      Regarding peace with Eritrea, still too early to tell but it is already looking the same as when PMHD took office.

      It is not known yet whether PMAA’s offer will include substantial extras from that of PMHD and PMMZ, but according to BBC information minister, Yemane Gebre Meskel, is to have replied already saying that “relations cannot be resolved until Ethiopia withdraws ‘from the occupied territories’.” Zero change from previous rhetoric.

      Isaias knows that Ethiopia has accepted the ruling although, with hesitation. Which means that at the end of the day, Ethiopia will and must withdraw unless agreements are made that will satisfy both to change that. So, why insist in the withdrawal first and not listen to what Ethiopia has to say, or better yet, even aim for a better deal while at it?

      “Get out first” while over 800 kilometers of the border still not demarcated, which Ethiopia had offered to do while waiting to “talk Badme” and Eritrea had refused, is not a good sign.

      However, PMAA’s offer could be an opportunity for PFDJ and TPLF to save face and break the stalemate if they so wish as well as a test whether they value ego over national well-being. TPLF can claim “forced” while Isaias can claim “better deal.”

      Obviously, Ethiopia and Eritrea would gain greatly from peace, but Isaias knows that there is nothing for him in it except possible questions and demands for fundamental change which he fears may lead to his removal from power. It has always been about power and ego for Isaias and it still does.

      • Selam Fanti Ghana,

        In his speech i think that PMAA spoke of what he heard one ethiopian saying, that an oromo, an amhara, a tigrean, a somali, an afari, a gambelan, all ethiopians for that matter, by dying in places like adwa, badme, and other places defending their country, became one with the land (the soil), and in extension became ethiopia. It may not be exactly as i am presenting it, nevertheless, this is the sense i got. Therefore, in my opinion PMAA wanted to stress that there is no more what we can call a tplf and pfdj issue, but an ethiopian and a pfdj issue.

        Of course, the message he sent to the eritrean regime was out of political correctness in connection with his foreign policy and not out of expectation of a positive response, where the previous two pm have failed. Therefore, ethio-eritrean issues or any other policy towards a foreign country will be the decision of the federal government as a whole and not that of one of the parties in the coalition.

        Ethiopia will be forced to withdraw could be within a year, 10, 50, 100….. The gollan heights are still in the hands of israel, palestinian land is continuously occupied and settled, and i believe that there are other examples. This means that only negotiations could solve the problem.

        Do you exclude the possibility that while tplf says ‘yes’, other parties could say ‘no’ to an agreement reached between tplf and pfdj? Don’t you think that a broad agreement of the federal government is necessary?

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam horizon
          Sir when pm abiy said tigraians died in meteme, amara in caramar . Oromo in adwa….means every land of ethiopia belongs to all ethiopians . Regardless of ethnicity. In other words eprdf ideology in pepper but not practiced untill now.
          I thought u have clues of eprdfist at least in pepper but like i said never mind.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Horizon,

          “Do you exclude the possibility that while tplf says ‘yes’, other parties could say ‘no’ to an agreement reached between tplf and pfdj?”

          In fact there cannot be such thing as TPLF – PFDJ agreement. This is a national issue that can only be dealt with as such. TPLF will of course contribute its opinions and suggestions within EPRDF possibly with some additional courtesy given to it since the people ‘it represents’ will be affected the most but nothing more. I mentioned an exit for TPLF-PFDJ stubbornness because I believe both organizations are the reason we are where we are today.

          Otherwise, TPLF or any one organization does not and must not have the power to decide regarding Badme or any other land with non-Ethiopian entities. Border demarcation and sovereignty are beyond any regional organization or individuals’ mandate. In other words, TPLF in this case represents the people who live in the Ethiopian region known as ‘Tigray” but not necessarily the land in this context.

          So, it is not only “Don’t I think that a broad agreement of the federal government is necessary” but also there is no and should never be any other way whatsoever.

          If it was up to me, even EPRDF is too small let alone TPLF to make a national decision of this magnitude. I would invite all non-EPRDF organizations including oppositions for this one task so that a lasting solution will be reached with as many Ethiopians as possible contributing.

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            I think Dr. Abiy threw a bit of a wrench in the works by mentioning Badme in the same breath as Adwa and Metemma and Karamara.

            Inadvertently giving Isayyas an out.

            It is said Abiy met his wife while she was also fighting at Badme. First family is reflexively disinclined to handing over Badme.

            Amde

            PS. An astute twitterer (@Kassex) described the speech thus: “New premier throws red meat for Ethiopianists, Shiro for ethno nationalist, diet coke for Eritrea, and snacks for Western donors. Protein shake for the youth was also on the plate.”

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            He said, Tigrawai not Tigrie. The PM dude will definitely go far. He owns the it thing with a crisp diplomatic finesse.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            That’s what I noticed.

            I think we have seen Abi Obama in the speech.

            If Isayas is smart, he should take the offer and make them best out.

            I have hard core gimbot 7 Amara friend, who always text me clips of ESAT.

            Today I texted him back and said “when are you giijg home?”. Waiting eagerly for his reply.

            Congratulation to all Ethiopians. Kab Sebelkum yljekeyena. Fanti traslate please.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            Hope Isaias doesn’t pull Susan Rice on him when she was under Secretary for African Affairs. Isaias felt disrespected when he took her for a neophyte. As they say it in Latin, “Barba Tenus Sapientes” or as we say it in Tigrinya, ሰ[ሸ]ያብ ኢልካ ሽማግለ ኣይትስደድ.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Amde,

            A wonderful speech indeed. All positive, hopeful, embracing, and graceful. Your astute twitter is right; he gave everyone something to think about and I really like that. It would be a delight if some or all of the diaspora oppositions were invited to come home.

            I don’t think Abiy will do anything drastic regarding Badme, but his presence alone offers a chance for a way out for both countries. The real question is how receptive will Isaias be for a way out. I hope to god I am wrong, but I strongly believe that Isaias is not and will not be ready for peace with Ethiopia.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            I think there will be a policy change towards eritrea . if u want me to wild guess, after normalize the situation in ethiopia , they will withdraw from the occupied territories and expect friendly relationship with eri. If eri will not respond as they expected they will go all out war .
            What do u think?

          • Amde

            Selam Dottore Fanti,

            It just occurred to me when I read in your post “Isaias is not and will not be ready for peace with Ethiopia.” that it is quite likely he (and quite possibly the PFDJ brass) has never actually thought about this concept of “peace with Ethiopia”.

            Think of it .. this whole Badme thing is all about competition with TPLF. That was the point of the original invasion. Then he got lucky and got a favorable EEBC decision which he has been milking for domestic politics and international whining ever since.

            And it was easy – the Ethiopians would predictably come with their offers of talk, and he can literally ride the high-horse of “No” to servile applause. Easiest and sweetest gig.

            Is there even a file? Or an Eritrean person who is recognized as “the” go to guy on the Ethiopia portfolio? Other than Yemane-Uno or Yemane-Due. Or Da Boss of course. I don’t think so. It would be interesting if somebody in this forum can actually make an educated guess on who in PFDJ might be in charge or what might be in the file.

            Unfortunately, this also seems to be the default position with most other Eritreans as well. Any and all pro-Isayyas Eritreans tell us “Just get the hell out of Badme, and we will never have to see your ugly faces again.” Almost all anti-Isayyas Eritreans tell us “Just get out of Badme, then we will kick out Isayyas then the sky is the limit.”

            Dr. Abiy is an unexpected kettle of fish. He is Weyane, but he is not. He represents radical change but maintains EPRDF continuity. He has offered a rhetorical olive branch, but he literally fought there and put the place up as a legendary touchstone.

            You can tell PFDJ is caught flatfooted (as are most of us to be honest). It is one of the delicious ironies of this political season that Dr. Abiy is being attacked for insincerity and plagiarism by supporters of PFDJ, TPLF and Ginbot7 all at the same damn time.

            I don’t think there will be “peace” – whatever it means. It serves neither side’s purpose to work on it at this time.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Isaias has already made up his mind. He can only go to Ethiopia on one condition—to help restore peace in an otherwise fractured Ethiopia when the ethnic groups fight against each other and bleed the country to the kind of image he has been conjuring up since 2001. Till then, numero uno and due will keep saying “bless you” before he sneezes.

          • Amde

            Haha Paulos,

            There is this really funny guy. A comedian who shows up on an Awasa FM station. You can google him (actually YouTube – his name is Zedo. Really really hilarious guy.

            Anyway, he has a joke about Mengistu Hailemariam,who is standing in front of three rows of people and making a speech.

            Somebody sneezes.

            Mengistu asks “Who sneezed?”

            Nobody answers.

            Mengistu says “Ok first row – stand up. You will be shot”

            He continues speaking and another sneeze breaks out.

            Mengistu asks “Who sneezed?”

            Nobody answers.

            Mengistu says “Ok second row – stand up. You will be shot”

            He continues talking, A third sneeze rings out.

            Mengistu asks “who sneezed?”

            Some guy then very shakily raises his hand.

            Mengistu, quite annoyed, says “Why didn’t you say it was you in the first place? Al I wanted was to say ‘Bless You’ and now you got all these people shot.”

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Good one. Thanks. In fact, the expression is very common in gangsta movies particularly Brian De Palma movies as in “Scarface” and “The Untouchables.” Blessing before a sneeze and bring out umbrella before the first drop, birthday gifts in a random day……

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            What about respecting rule of law which is respecting eebc ? I don’t believe Issaias can be a danger for a peaceful ethiopia (peaceful within herself) . don’t u think holding other country hostage just because u don’t agree with the gov of the country is wronge and unlawful thing to do?
            Since the ethiopian gov is occupier , it doesn’t have a right to blame eritrea and expect peace untill withdraw its troops according to eebc.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            “I don’t believe Issaias can be a danger for a peaceful ethiopia (peaceful within herself) ”

            Which Isayyas are you talking about?

            News flash. The Badme war was started by Isayyas, the UN found, He is a proven danger to Ethiopia.

            Plus, how is Ethiopia holding Eritrea hostage?

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Do u believe Issaias can have a superior military power to be a danger to ethiopia (a peaceful within herself)? Badem war was in 1998 when eplf was superior than tplf , but now am talking about a country with 100 millions people with a lot of economy advantage vs eritrea.

          • Patriot

            Selam Teodros Alem. You are indeed correct. Ethiopia has been getting away with murder with respect to Eritrea and most here are wilfully blind to this fact. A good outcome for Eritrea,
            given the realities of the PFDJ regime, depends on more constructive efforts by
            the U.S., the EU and Ethiopia (TPLF) to improve the Eritrea’s economy and to
            repair the country’s sense of isolation and grievance. Foremost, Ethiopia must
            withdraw from Badme. As much as many here hate Isaias and only wish to
            entertain the complete overthrow and removal of the PFDJ, it is more realistic
            to that a major shift of strategy will bear fruit quicker.

          • Patriot

            Selam Tedros Alem. You are 100% correct. Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Badme and insistence on first having implementation talks, is like a custody ruling coming out of a divorce, wherein the court rules the father (Eritrea) is given full custody of the children who are living with the mother (Ethiopia). Instead of handing over the children to the father as per court order (which is a criminal offense), the mother tells the father that they first must meet and discuss how the court’s custody order is to be implemented. Just doesn’t make any sense and it is the same reason why Isaias will refuse to meet with PM Abiy. Ethiopia first needs to withdraw from Badme before meetings between Ethiopia and Eritrea take place with an aim or normalising relations.

          • Amde

            Patriot,

            “Just doesn’t make any sense and it is the same reason why Isaias will refuse to meet with PM Abiy. ”

            Gee – what a surprise.

            Amde

          • Patriot

            Selam Amde. The ‘surprise’ is that Ethiopia (TPLF) keeps asking and insisting on discussions on how the EEBC decision is to be implemented.
            Isador Feinstein Stone said that ‘All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out. ‘ The TPLF has become a ganja chimney.

          • Paulos

            Selam Patriot,

            A young Eritrean was consoling Isaias when he saw him frustrated about Badme. He said, ኣታ ኢሳያስ እንታይ ገደሰካ ተንጸርጽር ንሕናስ ማዓስ ሓሚቕና ዓዲሓርሽን እንዳባጉናን ኣብኢድና እንድዩዘሎ.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Fanti,

            It was great speech. Honestly, TPLF could not have gotten a better deal out of the crisis the country was in.

            As to Eritrea, I think when Ambassador Cohen wrote the article, if not mistaken the push was coming from Eritrea but Ethiopia ignored it. I know we say Muzungu and all but I think his prediction about the Arabs bringing their problem to the Red sea was accurate. If Isayas is still interested in that deal, I think it would be possible.

            I don’t want to ruin the celebration mood but what’s going on with the TPLF blaming coming from Tigray, like Ato Dawit, Memhir forgot his name. And the peace with Eritrea seem to come from the people of Tigray.

            Where is Nitric? I am sure Kim H. is eagerly waiting:).

            Really, really nice to see coming to the premier office to take power and seeing the outgoing PM leaving in one piece.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Hey Fanti, Amde, Berhe, iSem and all:

            YouTube is playing tricks on me and won’t help me find this wonderful speech you guys keep talking about. I saw the new PM give an address and it was so chock full of platitudes and cliches the only thing I found to distract me was on the bottom right corner of the screen: the service for the hearing impaired. Thanks to her, now I know the sign language for ክቡራትና ክቡራን: ሙስሊሞችና ክርድትይኖች…መልካም አስተዳደር and all other homilies. I even know the sign language for applause now.

            Really? The most accurate comparison one was with Obama because I never found any of his speeches with remote originality. But at least Obama had the fake southern preacher delivery. Abiy actually breaks up phrases in the weirdest places.

            The is a YouTube video about the greatest speeches by Meles and Abiy. Meles could compose entire paragraphs in his head and when they came out they would come out as if he was reading from a script in his head: perfectly formed. This guy read the entire speech and if this is what you guys have to look forward to please invest in a TelePrompter.

            Here’s to hoping how he governs is better than how he speaks.

            Helmet on, bring it on now:)

            saay

          • iSem

            Good Mornng Sal:
            No blue or red America. Yes we can. You want more, I swear I did not look it up, my eyes are still shut 🙂
            But talk is cheap, I agree. What I am talking about is not his eloquence, but his Faustian approach with the issues and people, nor about his lines that would be quoted for generations. It is not his originality but given Ethiopia when was the last time we have seen than in Africa,
            Platitudes are nothing but unoriginal ideas that worked before:the right of the youth to search happiness, missed opprtunity, we do not need blood shed etc
            Even if he merely has stood there and told jokes, the symbolism of an Oromo whose grand father probably was was forced to change his name because of his pedigree would speake volumes eloquently, I know you know that I am just saying
            If before the next election he does one thing, bringing one armed group to the fold that would be quantum leap
            Oh, actually Abi, regardless how he succeeds or fails, his speech that is loaded with platitudes will be remembered as the first PM/leader from Habeshia who thanked his wife, who admitted he was married… compare that with I was sound asleep and Saba woke me up to tell me about my demise, who is Saba?
            Dissecting speeches for next debat4
            May the creator bless your day

          • saay7

            iSem:

            Hmmm, what is our fine President GEORGE W Bush once said? Or rather, what did his speechwriter write for him? “The bigotry of low expectations.” You have such low expectations—he thanked his mama and his wife, like boxers and quarterbacks do—you are pleased. I think I am just going to have to punish all April with አንድነት ማለት አንድ ኣይነት ማለት አይደለም.”

            Hey speaking of speech writers and ghost writers: did you read the confessions of Tsvangirai ghostwriter?

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Stop whining. It was a great speech. A unifying speech. Amde was absolutely right. He is not expected to be a policy wonk at this time. He is NEEDED to be a unifying and calming voice for a nation that has been jittery, particularly because of ethnic rivalry. He understood that very well and started with an effort with trying to reduce the fear of division and disintegration by reassuring people with this speexh. I think that is a good leadership quality.

            አንድነት አንድ አይነት ማለት አይደለም

            Was first said by Teodros Tsegaye, a blind TV journalist in Ethiopia a few months ago. PM Abiy picked it up and used it for a good cause. 😀

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyob,

            Perfect and in right time..Teodros Tsegaye ..

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Who is whining? And it was not nice of you to call Abiy a pick-up artist 😀

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Eyob,

            I listened to an interview of Aster Bedane. I think she is a singer. In any case she was supposedly a guest at an event marking TPLF’s 40th. She says she suggested to the high and mighty, in a public forum, that they stop using the term “ተቃዋሚ” to refer to the political opposition, and use the word “ተፎካካሪ” instead. She got a lot of ridicule and attacks for that.

            But Dr. Abiy indeed used the term ተፎካካሪ to talk to and about the opposition.

            The great shamelessly borrow.

            Which is why Saay the great will steal a lot of Abiy’s rhetoric :-). He did say Abiy was eminently quotable.. sure, Saay sure.. wink …wink..

            Maybe even say ኢትዮጵችን…

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Wha wha what’s that? I even know how to say ተፎካካሪ in sign language.

            I did say he is very quotable….but then I keep learning so is he except he doesn’t tell us he is quoting. 😂

            It’s nothing personal. With massive arrogance, Meles Zenawi, in the middle of the terrible war, said “the shortest distance is not always a straight line” and I gave him hell for it. In a continent where heads of governments act like divinely appointed, its important for ordinary citizens to ocassionally (frequently) burst their balloons.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            Aster Bedane is an actress and a very good one at that. Yes. I remember the brouhaha, when she said that. What’s even more amazing is now, even ETV, all state media have stopped and retired tge word ተቃዋሚ and started to use the new one. Amazing!!!!!

          • Amde

            Haha Saay,

            What is the opposite of “damning with Faint Praise”. You compare his speech with Obama’s. You might as well take the helmet off so I can pat your head and thank you. I know you loved it.

            I talked to a friend of mine yesterday who said he was sure Abiy was a Mossad agent. Well….. what a coincidence then that on the very same day PM AAA is worn in Israel finally finds a deal for Eritrean refugees. See, even Eritreans have been led out of bondage. Proof!!

            It is impossible for me to believe the Meles EPRDF could have produced and delivered that speech. It really demolished many sacred cows. Even comparing it to the EPRDF final Council meeting report issued on Friday or the Meqele “Peace Festival” concluding report, it is clear this speech shares nothing with EPRDF orthodoxy. EPRDF is ideologically seriously split – it is just not clear whether it is organizational, or generational.

            We will see how it goes, but it was telling that after the speech, PMAAA was hugging and shaking hands with the EPRDF grandees, but when it came to Abay Tsehaye who leaned over for the hug, Abiy offered a polite handshake instead. Meles was truly buried yesterday.

            If politics is going to be buiilt on public rhetoric rather than backroom cadre intrigue, then this was a great beginning. This one instantly made him a national political figure on his own right, not just an Oromo politician.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Ha Amde:

            The speech is a product of a man who has read so many motivational self-help books he doesn’t know where the world ends and he begins. Every sentence was a platitude. I refuse to believe you like it: your goodwill has shut down your critical faculties.

            Speaking of end of speech handshakes and hugs, when he was done, he went back to his seat. I heard a teacher say, “good job, Jimmy” and then she evaluated him on product knowledge, poise, voice, sequencing… then she graded him. C. Minus.

            Well yeah Meles had to work within an ideological framework and thus his vocabulary was by definition limited. But… ok wait, remember a discussion that was organized by the World Economic Forum? I am sure you have but for those who haven’t search “Meles Zenawi world economic forum” on YouTube That was an example of fully formed, perfectly sequenced, unrehearsed, no-notes communication. (Too bad he was from the old Ethiopian school who thought greatness can be only achieved via war.). Now can you imagine Abiy coming close to giving that speech at that forum?

            Saay

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            “Now can you imagine Abiy coming close to giving that speech at that forum?”

            But Abiy is not running for World Economic Forum darling. He is the PM of a country in serious crisis, with hundreds of thousands internally displaced due primarily to the explicitly ethnicist dogma of the ruling class.

            It was a speech the country needed at this time. And it might not be obvious, but it is politically quite brave.

            One can argue he owes his chair to the Qerro kids, who can legitimately be considered as a source of serious unease among the 65% non-Oromo. But this was not a Qerro triumphalist speech – in fact one would be hard pressed to find anything particularly Qerro-ish or even Oromo about it.

            If I am a Somali now in trepidation of the bombshell of an Oromo at the head of the Ethio military after what has happened over the past two years, this is the speech I’d rather hear, than Qerro triumphalism or biher-bihereseboch song and dance.

            So too if I were an Addis Ababan unsure of whether or when there will be a flood of discontented Oromo farmer youth pouring in.

            Or if I were a Tigrayan who has recently displaced.

            And so on down line.

            It also dispenses with EPRDF dogma as well. People are tired of it, and dismiss it as either fake propaganda, or as a fundamental underlying cause of the current set of crises. He was smart enough to just not wallow in it, but in the process also earning the ire of the EPRDF greybeards.

            I think it was a good re-assuring centrist speech. Perfect for the time. Not for the intellectually inclined, but for the anxious public.

            So far he has proven to be better than I expected.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            “But Abiy is not running for World Economic Forum darling. He is the PM of a country in serious crisis, with hundreds of thousands internally displaced due primarily to the explicitly ethnicist dogma of the ruling class.”

            Hmmm, I guess this real is the age of Abiy: even the great Amde is writing like him.

            A lot if not all of the things Abiy had on his wish list— building quality schools, industries—require money and that’s FDI. So he better know the language of the World Economic Forum and earn their trust or respect. When we are evaluating someone, anyone, we are looking at his or her experience (education, work experience, recommendation/referenced) and adding our gut instinct. My assessment of his experience and my instinct says he is, at best, a transitional figure. Some, using the same tools, think he is transformational. Guy has two years to show us his mettle. Let’s file it in the “we will see” folder.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            Oh boy, now I fee bad for disappointing you.

            I agree – someone who can talk intelligently on the global stage would be nice. But FDI wasn’t the issue right now. The kids were torching the shiny new domestic and foreign investments. That needed addressing, and the establishment was floundering.

            I think he is a transitional figure as well to be honest. And the two years is about right. But he might surprise us yet if he can construct a political consensus / coalition that endures.

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Trust me no video is playing tricks on you. The only trick they played on you was while you were sharpening your pencil to pock at Lemma Megerssa, Abiy Ahmed showed up and shocked you. You are very busy trying to find faults ever since. I am sure you will find several in the coming year, it is only 2 (TWO) days, you know.
            .
            Oh, just wait till he gives interview in English to BBC or CNN. You will be jumping up and down like that chimpanzee with a banana on how the Dr. was using “congratulation” and “congratulations” interchangeably. Then you will conclude how Oromos, Amharas and Southerns should be ashamed of electing such an ignorant Dr. It seems the Nitricc operating system has taken over and we all have to look forward for that world here at Awate in the coming year.
            .
            By the way, it just occurred to me, I seem to remember you (ssay and Nitricc) were questioning as to whether Hayat was an Eritrean. It didn’t make sense to me, I thought you were inexplicably being led by Nitricc.
            Do you mind going over the reasons again why you thought that way?????
            .
            ha ha there is a chance..
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            “Meles could compose entire paragraphs in his head and when they came out they would come out as if he was reading from a script in his head.” Indeed you are right. He is a gifted all round leader. Not only is known in delivering speeches, but he is also known for prompting ready made answers to any kind of questions. That is why they call him “መልስ በኪሱ”.

            Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            .
            I am glad Meles is getting recognition as to how a gifted leader he was.
            Language aside, very important in its own right, his ability to correctly project into the future was his strong trait.
            .
            I know many Ethiopians don’t agree with me but I believe he is the greatest leader we ever had. I prey we will be blessed with another one in the next 100 years.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            living with grudge is painful, i don’t know what happened to ur grandparents or ur parents or urself .i know a lot of wronge doing happened by the previous gov but that doesn’t give u a licence to be nonsense.

          • Patriot

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. You say in regards to Meles that ‘He was a gifted all around leader’. Really? Is pathological lying a key leadership quality? Or maybe Meles was like a late stage Ronald Reagan and simply ‘forgot’… line in, I don’t remember signing on the dotted line…Do you have pictures of MZ hammer and HS blowfish on the walls of your house?

          • blink

            Dear Patriot
            The man is simply out of reason and he has only one choice and that is to praise the killer and lair meles. Meles lies like a running water at sand yet here we see this man loves meles for deporting Eritreans because he does not like their eyes. How do you think people like him ?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            We know you are perfectionist with speech, body language and all. You are even real harsh to yourself when it comes o this kinds of things.

            But this is a speech for its times not Toastmasters speech contest.

            Obama did not deliver in most of what he promised because of congress and racism that’s deeply rooted in US, despite that he did ok.

            If PMAA navigates Ethiopia political crises and set the stage for better path, that’s a great achievement considering the alternative.

            PMHD certainly did that and it will be very hard act to follow such transfer of power (albeit from the same party) but for all intentions and purpose, power has been transferred (political power) from TPLF dominated EPRDF to Oromo and with relative peace.

            And if he continues on this path, Amara, Oromo, Tigray etc will be blared away. No Ethiopian cares if Haile Ghebreslassie is Oromo or Amara or Tigray. He is Ethiopian great and people love and support him for him regardless of his ethnic background. There is no reason it can’t be the same in politics.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Hey Berhe Y:

            I don’t think so and don’t even remind me of my speech 🙂

            If a man, who rose through a system that emphasizes ethnic identity, ethnic power, ethnic stratification rails against ethnicism, and sings the song of unitarianists, then:

            A. He is a transcendental leader
            B. He is a conman

            I don’t think he is a transcdental leader (that requires originalism and a history of defiance here and there.)

            By the way, did you notice that when he mentioned his wife and his mom the director told the cameraman “quick, cut to the female legislators and show their reaction.” They gave the same reaction their male counterparts did: when is this platitude train reaching its station:)

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            If you can just get over that speech and become our leader, we wouldn’t be where we are today:). You are like Jerry Seinfeld when chooses never to run again….:)

            Who knows may be he will be like Gorbachev who come from the ranks but yet decided to change.

            I use to be a second camera man for my friend who use to be do professional video (non of the Eritrean wedding video) but some small time shows.

            His first lesson was, the most important part of being a videographer is, when you see, you take the shot. It was right to switch to that shot when he was talking about women.

            Behre

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Berhe Y and Saay,

            I am so in a different plain from the sane and insane alike, maybe not a good sign, the only pain I feel is seeing my one and only, her majesty Hayat in agony. However, as Rumi would say, there is good in everything and in this instance it put you and Her in the same camp. Now, that is a good start and something to look forward to. Imagine, united Hayat and Saay; delightfully scary!

            I am not sure if I paid attention to the entire speech because after the tight hug with PMHD, I may have spaced out. One of my two wishes and expectations have been met with finesse. We have planted the seed for peaceful transfer of power to become a normal culture. I am so fed up with wars and words of wars which accomplish nothing except create more misery to the masses, I am that easily pleased.

            Abiy will do well. He doesn’t have as many detractors to fend off as MZ had to. That will allow him to focus on few key tasks and the collective EPRDF wisdom will be behind him. He has setup himself to please all Ethiopians, which won’t be easy, but at least he will have a good chance to try.

            I hope and wish he makes peace with Eritrea his governing legacy. It would be a challenge but it is extremely rewarding in the long run. A friendly Eritrea is good for economy, security, peace of mind, regional harmony, global confidence in the region and etc. It simply opens a chain of goodness for both and others. It is maddening when one thinks about why it is taking this long for our leaders to realize the endless possibilities.

            Women!
            He is smart enough to realize that getting the support of women means at least 50% of all Ethiopians plus those they influence plus those who love them. That is already 80% potential approval if you ask me. He is doing this with minimum of effort. You have to give him a point for that.

          • saay7

            St Fanti:

            I am in a different plain
            from the sane and insane

            Sounds like a great first verse for a song. Or a love song. Speaking of which, have you heard the latest (Melancholy) by Ethiopian-Canadian “The Weeknd” (Real name: Abel Mekonnen)? It’s a collection of breakup songs.

            Saay

          • Berhe Y

            Abel Tesfaye

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            That’s the ferenji way where you skip his dads name 🙂 they did that with an Ethiopian runner Netsanet Gudeta Kebede and they dropped Gudeta. You dropped Mekonnen:)

            saay

          • iSem

            hi Sal:
            I think it is only the “Tigrinya” that do not have last name, if am not not mistake in the entire world;-) In Eri the Tigre, the Saho/Assawrta have last names. You can find Hasseno in Asmara, Aguredet and and Tesenney, Shengeb the same, Shanino in Keren and in Teseneay, Alleg, Turkay and Naib in Massawa and Keren and they are all related.
            The Ferenji do not drop dad’ name, they never had that, they assume the dad name is middle name, they go for brevity. Aristole of Athens, Jesuse of Nazret )Not Jesus Joseph), Peter of Gallille, Judah Askariot all did not have dad or last name until a 1000 year ago last name popped up. We, Habesha think that las tname is real name (John Smith), there was no guy who lived called Smith, he was some guy who dis smithing for a living,there was no someone call McHadera, he is Just child of Hadera
            And also there is funny thing in the diaspora Habesha names: a girl has a male middle name
            Middle name is not location and last name is not a name in the Fernji world
            Also weird, in Eritrean family all the children and the dad have the same “last name” and the mother/wife has a different one and she does not belong to the family:-)

          • halafi mengedi

            iSem,

            There is at least one tribe in South India where they use same naming structure as ours.

            hm

          • saay7

            iSem:

            Fine but remember you started this….

            I have no knowledge of your claim but I do know many Spanish societies have two surnames. (Which is worse: having none or having multiple? I will go first: having none!)

            On the wife adopting the husbands name, again we are way ahead of our time: why should she? Chrissy Tiegen, the wife of John Legend, is the queen of Twitter. Somebody asked her “could you please explain to me why some wives don’t take their husbands last name” and she replied “my husband didn’t even take his last name. (It’s not his real name.)

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            The only people with no lastname is us is tongue in cheek, exageration
            But the Brazilians use their mother’s last name, evenif they have two lastnames. Some Fernji change their last names to their wives maiden name nowadays. Also fore reasons of discrimination lots of Jews changed their last names.
            But if an Eritrean woman sends a letter to her dad back home and uses her husband’s last name from habit, he will faint and she will hear from it.
            Some prominent women and some feminist use hyphen. But over all the Ferenji women cannot wait to change their names to their husbands names, but they do not have attachment to last names overall as we do. Hilary R C had to be coaxed to change her name, a wife who does not user her hubby’ same is not good
            Well, if he changed his last name, it is is his last name, so it was a good comeback line, but that is the way it works. Bill, his last name is not Clinton, when his mother remarried, he took his step dad. If he was one of us, he, his mother will have different last name from the rest
            Now, who is ahead

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            I didn’t know his name had Mokonnen. It’s the first time I see it. Man he should stay away from those American girls and should settle with Nice Habesha girl…but that may not do him good with his music….he will be happy but may be boring:)

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            The song I was mentioning, “privilege” was written after his breakup with Selena. (So I am told by genius dot com which is where song nerds go to scrutinize lyrics.) His solution of how he is going to overcome the pain of the breakup is either young-man -bragging or very worrying. But the melody? Man, he is talented.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; Power transfer is from one party to the other so, to say power transfer is incorrect. power passed on is more likely. Dr. showed all the love for his mother but didn’t say a word about his father. Why?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            He represent his father through him and opdo .

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; when Dr. Aby said ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያዊ ስንሞት ደግሞ ኢትዮጵያ እንሆናለን” I couldn’t understand what he mean. then here one person came up with explanation. I guess this guy addicted copying everything. hahahahah
            “The saying ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያዊ ስንሞት ደግሞ ኢትዮጵያ እንሆናለን has no relationship with your ሰምና ወርቁ. It is the straight forward saying taken from the Oromo saying of “Dubiin Lafaa, Dubbii Lafee”. This has been a popular Qerro Oromo slogan to protest against the expansion of Addis Ababa under the Addis Ababa Master Plan. Dr. Abiy borrowed that concept and added Ethiopia to it. I wish he acknowledged the source”

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            What he meant was , all the land of ethiopia belongs to all of us ethiopians kind of thing.
            Is there any way that u can translate the oromogna?

          • Amde

            Nitricc,

            So now, an Oromo man using an Oromo proverb is stealing?

            ተጃጃላችሁ

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMDE; i hope you seen my quotation mark. I didn’t say it. The point is your man have a very trebling habits. He could have said, As Oromo saying goes da da da, but no, he has to cheat. I am telling you to be a leader, character is everything. He is not honest and he is a grand stander. At this time Ethiopia needs a humble and strong leader not a cheater and appeaser. “A leader is born no made” and i am sorry you are making him that not him.

          • Amde

            Hi Nitricc,

            “I am telling you to be a leader, character is everything”

            Did you tell Wedi-Afom that?

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMDE; don’t you even go there. The other day, you were telling someone when you were in your 20s you were afraid to tie your shoes. guess what when PIA was in his 20, he was leading one the best fighters this world has seen. He is a born leader and seccedded in achieving the impossible. Sure, he might gone wrong by overstaying his position but to say he is not a leader is simply dishonest. In fact the definition of a leader should be his name next to it. Just ask your self, what have you done when you were in his age? Oh, yes, you were afraid to tie your shoes. come-on man! With out a leadership character and bravery, there is no way you can yank Eritrea with her two ports out of 100 million people. The Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Amde

            Selam Nitricc,

            So then let me follow your logic.

            1. To be a leader character is everything.
            2. Isayyas is a leader.
            3. Therefore Isayyas has character.

            He is a character alright.

            Would you like to tie my shoe?

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,
            I fully agree with you on all except one, where you “wish he makes peace with Eritrea his governing legacy. ”

            And that scares me because I witnessed part one of the show sitting in the front row. Part one was played from 1991-1997 and you know how it ended.

            Remember, tickets to watch the show was given only to crowds who had a special invitation. And they were mostly members of the two ruling parties and their affiliates. As you know the show ended badly, and even those who didn’t have a special invitation had to die to protect the hall where the drama was played.

            Any deal made with the PFDJ is illegitimate and will not endure because it doesn’t represent Eritreans… it certainly doesn’t represent me.

            Promise me you will think about it again 🙂

          • halafi mengedi

            Saleh,

            This is really important point. We tend to analyze and consider how different ethnic or political groups in Ethiopia might like or not like any steps taken by an Ethiopian PM to resolve situation with Eritrea (particularly the badme thingy), but we almost never do that with Eritreans. We just assume Eritreans of all kind will go along, which, thank you for bringing it up, is not true.

            I have a specific question for you. When you say deal with pfdj is not legitimate, are you referring to the Algiers peace agreement too or only subsequent agreements (assuming they go pass the current impasse) or both. TIA.

            hm

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            Ya know…..

            Speaking of your.. “By the way, did you notice that when he mentioned his wife and his mom the director told the cameraman “quick, cut to the female legislators and show their reaction.” They gave the same reaction their male counterparts did: when is this platitude train reaching its station:)”

            Now what AMDE thought was this;

            They hear Abiy praise his mother and his wife, and these female functionaries have this thought flash through their minds:
            “What, pray tell, is this twinge I feel in my chest and my loins?… it’s as if I was …a… what do you it..a… woman … once…. a looong time ago before I became a party functionary? Does አብዮታዊ ዴሞክራሲ allow tears in Parliament…. or is this a .. ፀረ-ሰላም plot…?”

            Seriously, I think there were many husbands that night who were angrily asked, “ምነው አንዴ እንኳን እንደ አብይ ብታመሰግነኝ።”

            That line on his mother and wife will be remembered for a long time. And then he comes out with three absolutely adorable daughters. Nah, he has conquered all the women of the land.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            continuing on our beautiful, long-term dream…lols, did anyone propose a shared city of badme of sorts….?

            hm

          • Amde

            Hi hm,

            I have this nagging feeling the Ethio side will get out of the boundary of the grand Badme metroplex so the Eri side can plant a flag in busy downtown Badme.

            Many faces will be saved, and Hallelujah and Hambashas will spice up the festivities. They will make songs of the savings of the faces unto the generations yonder.

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            ###AMEN###

            Now, this reminds me of a story someone told at a friend’s house. So, according to this guy (i should probably check out the details myself, but let’s take the story at face-value for now), at about the same time Eritrea and Ethiopia started the war, Denmark and Sweden decided to connect across some sea through tunnel+bridge. To facilitate this, they built artificial island which was approximately the same size as badme. The whole project took about the same time as the war. And its cost was less than that of the war. And nobody died.

            I almost cried.

            hm

          • Amde

            Hi hm,

            I think they did make a detective TV series about somebody dying right on the border of that bridge. The territorial dispute was about who should solve the heinous crime.

            so yes, the ferenjis ain’t all that..

            haha

            Amde

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Amde

            that is so funny…perfect idea for CSI Badme

            hm

          • Paulos

            HM,

            Still a drifter? Thought you have settled by now. I am sure Sweden and Denmark have gone through similar bumps to turn bumps into a smooth road to walk on. We will get there. It is just a matter of time.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Paulos,

            I swear to God, I was just about to edit my comment and add the following…

            ***BTW, before someone jumps on me, let me clarify that this doesn’t mean that the Europeans are better than us….But it does provide a striking contrast to resources, money, time and lives we lost.****

            I will still add this edit to my original comment.

            hm

          • Selam Halafi Mengedi,

            It happens that i have passed over this bridge, (if we are talking about the same thing), about 5 km in length, i think, between copenhagen (denmark) and malmo in sweden. It is a road+train bridge. I am not sure if i saw an island in the middle of the sea. May be a projection of the swedish coast, without being 100% sure. It stands on numerous pillars projecting out of the sea from one end to the other. It is one of the great achievements of modern bridge construction.
            ———–
            On your other post, shared village of badme, I do not remember all the details, nevertheless, months ago i came across the story of a small island on a river that separates two european countries (i do not remember their names now). The two countries had decided a long time ago that the island should belong in turn for a year or so to one of the two countries, thus changing its status every year. From the pic i saw it must be a small uninhabited island. If there were permanent residents, they may be forced to celebrate a nationality day every year, or they may have a double nationality.

            Just imagine ethiopia and eritrea raising their flags at the center of badme every other year, and the villagers asking themselves what nationality are we this year? It will be interesting.

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Horizon,

            It probably is that bridge, i don’t know for sure.

            Given people from both countries are perennially late to everything, i could image another conflict arising because the person responsible for taking down the existing flag was late and then we are bad at conflict management, so that easily leads to another war and that is how we got here the first time….lols

            In all seriousness though, there are really multiple ways this could be resolved, but can’t image any of that happening soon.

            In the mean time , we can dream, nobody can prevent from doing that….

            hm

      • halafi me(n)gedi

        Fanti,
        The cynic in me thinks that his gesture is nothing more than the political correctness that Horizon mentioned below. Part of the strategy Ethiopia employed past the border rule is to pretend to appear the reasonable party (how easy is that when your comparison is IA!) and (we shall see what he does in the future), but for now, i think it is just continuation of the existing strategy.
        hm

      • blink

        Dear Fanti
        what is the possibilities that Ethoipia will say some thing different from the court decision ? what is the things Eritrea has to listen to Ethiopia , of course they can talk but the fundamentals must stay there .EThiopia can not demand negotiation out side the court decision, it is just doe not make any sense at all. They can talk about relations even about any other economic arrangements but the border has to follow the court papers . Badme should not be the starting point of talk , in fact it must not come at the discussion table.

  • Natom Habom

    The GOE never used divide and rule as policy ,he openly advocate unity among it s people
    he always stress division will weaken the country and become an easy prey for the enemy ,
    we don t know where did you get that if it s not in you rotten full of hatred and lies brain .
    you can cook whatever you are cooking even dreaming a destruction like in syria against our country ,our mighty people will stand it ground and destroy the evil wherever they are
    you brought up sudan ,yemen ,djibouti conflict case without any knowledge of the conflict
    even disregarding ethiopian belligerence by not abiding to the Alger commitment show who started the conflict ,are you even eritrean ?
    please eritrean peoples had passed trough harsh and difficult time with the derg and other they don t deserve a deranged and insane that need to see a doctor for our people .
    no one stress religion ethnicity than you people and this is why the Eritrean people
    disregarded you ,they are busy rebuilding their country so you can dream at your rotten
    corner fomenting trouble and fantasize for something that will never happen .

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Natom Habom,
      Glad to hear Eritrean people are busy rebuilding their country. No one wants their country to be the fighting ground for foreign powers. Qatar after being a good friend of Eritrea and stationing hundreds of its troops as peacekeepers on the border with Djibouti had to abruptly leave after it came in conflict with UAE. Qatar stated it couldn’t leave its troops at the border when UAE had a big base near Assab. Eritrea chose UAE’s side and dumped its long time friend. Recently, GOE announced that Qatar was stationing troops or supporting opposition on the border with Sudan. Please explain to me how that is not opening the country to be the battle ground between foreign countries? Who is forcing GOE to take these positions?

      • Patriot

        Selam Abrehet Yosief. Eritrea’s economy before was under suffocation and withering away and the status quo was simply untenable. Dumping Quatar has nothing to do with friendship but rather survival from a faulty isolationist strategy of the U.S., U.N. and the TPLF who when like forcing a dog in a corner to defend himself, provided Isaias with a virtual international driving liscense to commit whatever bad deeds he wishes against his citizens and his ‘friends’.

      • Natom Habom

        selam abrehet
        wasn t qatar part of the GCC ,wasn t attacking yemen with GCC
        UAE and et ERITREA have a policy of mutual respect and no ingerence
        in their internal affair but not qatar ,
        qatar was also good friend with kadafi and in syria through their investment group they created a contact to distabilise their country ,we see the result
        ,for supporting opposition group ,Eritrea has announced to the world their activity means whatever eritrea do next will be a self defence .

  • Mez

    Greetings,

    I saw news that a YPFDJ conference is taking place, i think, in Sweden.

    1) why is that they just listen to topics approved by the government in Asmara nd nothing else?

    2) what prevents the YPFDJ members from demanding on implimentation of constitution, rule of law, the right to work and earn, the unproportionally high Eritrean refugee crisis …..

    3) why they shy the open society/system, and go half underground?

    3) I have hard time to understand how things function in the YPFDJ.

    4) I wish I have a hard core YPFDJ member as my friend to enlighten me, ESPECIALLY regarding their core value.

    Thanks

    • Kebessa

      Selam Mez,
      1) Because their parents tell them to just listen and be cool so the parents can visit Eritrea and return safely. ቀንጠብጠብ ከይትብሉ ዞመ ደቀይ፣ ዝተባህለትኩም ትም ኢልኩም ስምዑ፣ ኤርፖርት ኣስመራ ከይተዕጽውልና።
      2) Well, mostly they’re teen-agers. The boys go there to checkout girls and vice versa. Do you really think they will be thinking about constitution?
      3) Because the resistance loves to mess up their meetings.
      3)—-ok
      4) There is nothing much enlightenment here.
      Speaking of enlightenment, I wish someone can fill us in about the epic failure of the much advertised Istanbul festival. From my very limited info, there was a move to have Eritrean artists from all over the world gather there. But because PFDJ didn’t approve it and frowned upon the artists under its roof, the gathering failed. I think there was bad management by the organizers as well. They invited controversial musicians that weren’t on the menu and it created an uncomfortable situation for many.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Kebessa,
        The organizer of the Istanbul festival did give explanation. The government of Turkey upon request from the government of Eritrea ordered the festival to be canceled. It happened on the eve of the start of the festival. They couldn’t continue with the three days or so plan in the area they had rented for the full festival (exhibitions, Eritrean business show cases etc). They did some of the island visits and boat ride with live music.

        • Kebessa

          Hello Abrehet,
          Did they say that, ok!
          There was more drama than just the regime asking Turkey to cancel. There was a youtube video that was deleted a cuople hours later. In it, Rmdiet Alem talks about how she was convinced by the organizers to participate, she agreed initially. But as the identity of the participants started to be known, she becomes concerned and asks her bosses if it was still ok to participate. Long story short, she bails out. What’s revealing about that interview is how strictly the regime controls the singers back home.

      • sara

        kibsa dear,

        from your nick name i thought you are a full adult person, but nnnnnn

        2) Well, mostly they’re teen-agers. The boys go there to checkout girls and vice versa. Do you really think they will be thinking about constitution?

        Is this all what you could come-up to bash on innocent young Eritreans.

        HEFER

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Mez,
      While some may not care or are not mature enough to question/challenge the PFDJ leaders, a few of the bright ones actually truly believe in the PFDJ propaganda. They believe that Eritreans (those still living in the country) are not at the stage where they could fully appreciate and use democratic opportunities responsibly. They believe that the “whites” who discriminate against them in Europe do not have the best interest when they talk about human rights abuses and UN reports. I write this hoping one of them will show up and make their case.

      • Mez

        Dear Abrehet,

        1) from the YPFDJ video released, you can see around a third of them are ” bold haired” or mix of black-black-white-haired.
        2) those with full black hair seems to be at least college graduates (as majority of their number). By law all of them must be above 16 years.
        3) you brought a very fundamental idea, summarized as: “….They believe that Eritreans (those still living in the country) are not at the stage where they could fully appreciate and use democratic opportunities responsibly….”
        3.1) I truly believe your statement under #3 shall be a research topic for a couple of PhD students from Eritrea.
        3.2) How one can measure such a thing? Who gave the legal, moral,…legitimacy for those who think “they are taking care of the business under #3” on behalf of the Eritrean at large?
        4) the thinking that: “….They believe that the “whites” who discriminate against them in Europe ….” is also very fundamental.
        4.1) this may mean they are fighting every battle against the “evil discrimination deeds of those in #4”. And this implies that the mighty YPFDJ can accomplish it before they become adult!

        Thanks

        • Nitricc

          Hi Mez; you said “3) you brought a very fundamental idea, summarized as: “….They believe that Eritreans (those still living in the country) are not at the stage where they could fully appreciate and use democratic opportunities responsibly….”
          I am sorry but YPFDJ are right. while you people are addicted to the life of the west; the future is Africa. Trust me, they got it right. It is not an accident why the west is looking Africa.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Hi Nitricc
            We i think you are wrong about many of us miss our country a lotttttt! We are not addicted to any think jn the west. Day and night we wish our people ate what we eat as we know this do have it. We wish they enjoyed the freedom and democracy we experience(to speak and move and ask without fear of repercussions). We wish they did not wait for us to support them.
            Why are your YPFDJ in the west if Africa is the future? If you ask me Africa is their holiday destination.

          • Mez

            Good Day Nitricc,

            Where is the beef, What is your Points?

            Make the discussion lively.

            Thanks

  • said

    Greetings,

    A blueprint-for-resistance-jesus-christ-vs-the-police-state.

    AS reported “In that dramatic scene on Calvary’s hill three men were crucified. We must never forget that all three were crucified for the same crime — the crime of extremism. Two were extremists for immorality, and thus fell below their environment. The other, Jesus Christ, was an extremist for love, truth and goodness, and thereby rose above his environment. Perhaps …the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.” —Martin Luther King Jr.
    Link to the article by John W. Whitehead Constitutional attorney and author.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/john-w-whitehead/a-blueprint-for-resistance-jesus-christ-vs-the-police-state/

  • Paulos

    Selam Amde,

    The Reporter Amharic has run a piece on the much rather eventful life of Dr. Abiye and his rise to power, a story told through the eyes of his father, brother, sister and his growing up friends as well. It seems, some people are called for greatness. I thought you may like it. Wish him well and all the best!

    • Amde

      Selam Paulos,

      Thank you for the heads up. I actually read it yesterday and was going to post something about it ere, but then I thought too much Ethio talk irritates the many wonderful people here so I thought better of it.

      I thought it was a good write up.

      You said “It seems, some people are called for greatness.”.

      Funny you should say that.

      Yesterday, I saw a video clip that is starting to circulate. It was a Pente (well – we Tewahdos have a bad habit of calling all protestants Pentes, so mea culpa on that) prayer/service. Apparently in Addis six years ago, but I don’t know that for a fact.

      In any case, the woman leading the prayer says she has just received a vision, and that she sees him as the PM. Names are not mentioned, but a man who looks very much like Abiy then is seen on his knees among a lot of Halleluias and Amen. Then the man is seen testifying the woman as being a true christian, his voice sounding very much like Abiy’s..

      There is definitely a political ascendance of protestants in Ethiopia especially though the Oromo. The current President is a protestant, so is Halemariam Dessalegn,, so is Lemma Megersa. But, the old school established Protestant branches (starting in HaileSellesie era) were Lutherans and Adventists. Starting during the Derg era, many Baptist denominations started sprouting in Addis, and now actually they are spreading life wild fire especially in the Southern Region. There is also a trend of calling the church leaders from “Pastor so and so..” in the old days to “Prophet so and so..” As you can imagine, there are a lot of charlatans in this area.

      In any case, the woman who supposedly foretold his PMship is also said to have foretold Mohammed Al-Amoudi’s arrest. So at least two correct data points, for what it’s worth.

      Although unconfirmed, Abiy’s denomination is called Full Gospel.

      I am secular myself, but I think it is healthy to see the presence of people of religious faith in positions of authority. As long as they are not imposing their dogmas, it is good for them to believe there is such a thing as conscience and divine justice.

      I think at some point we may have to have a serious study of the role of faith in the leadership of OPDO. I can’t understand how an Ethnic Nationalist organization such as OPDO with the history of the Oromo politics can hold positions and the rhetoric of Lemma and Abiy. But, the rhetoric of Abiy is completely logical if he is primarily a religious person living within the multicultural diversity of Addis, That makes people like me very happy, but I can also see challenges over the horizon from the more extreme sections of the Oromo Nationalist movement.

      Still, it is so weird how the system found a person that seems to hit the sweet spot in rhetoric, age, religious and ethnic pedigree, education, legislative background, military and security service, federal and state bureaucracy.

      Almost wants you to say “The Curious Case of Abiy Ahmed”

      Amde

      • saay7

        Hey Amde:

        The Arab media has been making a big deal about how Ethiopia has, for the first time ever, a Muslim leader. I am thinking of taking a day off just to watch their head explode as he is sworn in using the Bible. (I am assuming that’s how it’s done.)

        Imagine you are writing a Playboy* profile of him:

        Name is Ali. Abi Ahmed Ali. 42. Protestant. PhD.

        Turn ons: Education, books, public speaking, peace, ethnic federalism.

        Turnoffs: educated-but-unemployed youth, listening, peace-without-sovereignty, and overidentification of ethnicity.

        Long walks on the beach at sunset optional.

        Saay

        * bought for the articles, of course.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Saay,

          I hear he will sworn using the constitution from a person I consider him reliable. If it happened, it is a big symbolism to the commitment of their constitution and a breaking story in the process of the democratization process of the government.

          • saay7

            True Emma:

            1. A sitting Prime Minister dies in office and they have a peaceful transition of power;
            2. A sitting Prime Minister actually resigns and shows that people don’t have to be chased at the point of a gun to leave the highest office.
            3. A new Prime Minister, from a traditionally marginalized society, assumes power. And there is nobody threatening to go to the bushes.

            As to ours…here’s a scene from one of my favorite movies: a warrior is so unprepared for his job he asks for “Level Zero” training; the trainer says there is no such thing, but after seeing him create a total disaster changes his mind and says, “there is now a level zero.” We are at level zero. (3 minutes long)

            https://youtu.be/dWo0dm16wLY

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Salah (Saay),

            Log them these three point in your file, where you could easily pull them, and add new developments in the next election cycle. Ethiopia is on the moving as the stakeholders know how to communicate each other, no matter how long their discussions (days, weeks, months) takes. The love to their constitution is eternalized by the stakeholders, and became resonated in the overwhelming majorities of their elites. Not bad to witness it.

            On your characterization to ours, I can’t agree more, always one step forward three steps backward as long as we remained under the grip of PFDJ regime, especially Eritreans indulged in justifying the excuses of the regime including the disappearance our citizens. I don’t know this “maychelot of Adi Halo” that you always mentioned it

        • Amde

          Hi Saay,

          hahaha.

          What do you mean, Playboy has articles? When did that happen?

          I think he will be swearing on a copy of the constitution, if at all – I think they just raise their right hand and repeat after AbaDulla, assuming he can hold himself from giggling. (Yes it says in the constitution – “Thou shall repeat the swears of The AbbaDulla “)

          His wife is supposed to be a choir singer, so I will not be surprised if she breaks out into Halleluias and Amens.

          I have to say, this has certainly been the most entertaining and dramatic power transfer.

          Amde

      • Paulos

        Selam Amde,

        As it happened, yesterday “The Atlantic” featured an article titled, “The Americanization of An Ancient Faith” where an Egyptian Orthodox priest reframed the way the liturgy was expended so that members of his church particularly those who were born in the US can find relevance of the liturgy with the culture they are too familiar with.

        The same can be said about the Ethiopian Tewhdo Church where the challenges it is facing is so daunting so much so that the choice is between adopting to social changes or resist and consequently lose membership.

        The Catholic Church resisted and even went violent when Ignatius of Loyola formed the anti-Reformation movements which was later known as the Jesuits instead of adopting to the thesis put forward by Martin Luther and of course as they say the rest became history.

        The challenges with in Tewahdo church again is not with in the veracity of its doctrinal standing, it is its inability to conform to the fast changing society and due to its poor economic standing which resulted in producing scant competent clergy men as well [Allegedly Isaias is believed to have said, ምስክነይቲ ተዋህዶ ዘራይ ዘይብላ ሃይማኖት.]

        With in the Protestant confessional credo, it is said that, there are about 300 denominations which I personally think is bizarre. And one would be surprised if the number stays unchanged. Simply because, merchants of the truth won’t let up, they will keep coming.

        In Eritrea for instance, visionaries not as in the woman in the video you cited but people who can see beyond the horizon, understood the imperatives of reform with in the Eritrean Orthodox Church but before they knew it, the conservatives with in the Church felt threatened and started accusing them of heresy and the government manipulated the crack when it too accused them of spreading sub-nationalist sentiments amongst the young and threw them to the dungeons–Drs. Fitsum and Tecleab to mention but a few. As a result underground Protestant movements sprouted throughout the country and religious prosecution became one of the reasons the young leaving the country as well.

        • Amde

          Hi Paulos,

          We should be learning from the Egyptian Church then. They might be calling in Americanizing, but it is really bringing it into the “modern age”.

          Based on what you told me, you are very much aware of the crowds at Bole Medhanealem Church. In the area I grew up in Addis (Entoto etc…), it seems a new Tewahdo church sprouts up every five years or so. It is already a staunchly Orthodox area, but still it is strange to me. It is not like the population has really grown that much. But that is my technical side speaking – I asked a question about it, and I was told in no uncertain terms that Churches are built where some holy person sees them built in a vision. Soo there you go.

          I think some of the tension between conservatives and modernizers exists, but the protestants are definitely giving strong competition. And like you said, there are innumerable denominations. I guess that is the logical outcome of “Everyone can interpret the Bible as they see fit”, but almost none of them are home-grown interpretations – just chapters of some denomination from the west.

          I don’t know how relevant this is to the multiplcations of churches and what not… But sometime about two years ago or so, I listened to an interview of Dawit Weldegiorgis. The topic was politics as you can expect, but he stated that Ethiopia has by far the largest number of ethnic parties and liberation fronts compared to any other comparable multicultural country. Personally, I don’t think our issues are that sever, but it does highlight possibly some cultural or sociological issues around working and growing as a group and sustaining larger institutions. That would explain a bit some of the mushrooming of religions and separate congregations.

          Happy Easter.

          Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Yea that’s where I stay at [South of Medhanie Alem Church] every time I travel to Addis and funny enough there is a big Pente church a block away from there, it is called “You-Go Church.” I was there during the fasting month as in last month and the church was [Medhanie Alem] full of people every day particularly with young people and I thought that was encouraging.

            One in fact can make the argument that the Ethiopian people are deeply religious people where their collective sense of optimism seem to spring up from that dimension. More over, one can’t help but notice the Biblcal verses on almost all taxis including mini-buses either on the side of the cars or on the windows or a picture of St. Mary or Gabriel the Angel.

            And I agree with what you said about the level of disparity in confessional faith almost every part of the country exhumes where for instance the heavy presence of German missionaries in the early years spread Protestantism in the Oromia area where it is still palpable.

            Happy Easter!

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Look sir , I personally are proud to learn from the man , infact I learn from all people in this forum . The guy is full of information and the only thing that I hope is he transfer it sooner than later. My ideal teacher is the person I choose and that happens to be the case because I come here to learn many subjects.

    Now you are right these people who bash on any one who differ from them are acting just like Issaias ,” dictate the forum on their will and it happens if you let them rule over your views.
    Here are my views.
    1. Eritreans has to join hands and reject any inciting violence on religion,ethnic and regional politics.
    2. Eritrea’ Sovereignty must be off limits in the opposition camp
    3. No bashing on Eritrean founders
    4. Opposing PFDJ shouldn’t be on these people who thinks land is nonsense because people migrate to Ethiopia.

    Many things that I don’t believe will make sense to you .
    Now I am young and I let me learn sir , you can surprise if I tell you people that I have met

    • Beyan

      Dear blink,
      Fascinating views you are advancing here. A brief interjection on one of the four views you espouse, namely number three above: “No bashing on Eritrean founders”. Now, the man at the helm of power is one of the founders of Eritrea as a nation-state. Hope we agree on this premise. The question that begs answering is whether you think he doesn’t deserve to be bashed?

      Curiously awaiting your response.

      Beyan

      • blink

        Dear Beyan
        You know I will always give my answer without any hesitation because you are Beyan. If you don’t know how I think about the man on the helm until now , I demand your apology sir . Bashing the man is not enough because he already is destroying our founders aspirations and that’s I guess we can agree on him, that he must be bashed . Have you read my reply to your other comments and if you do , you know from where I am setting my views.

        • Beyan

          Dear blink,

          I appreciate the deference you pay to my person. My sincere apologies for not keeping up with your fast and furious way you engage at this august forum. It is not easy to keep with all of the conversations day-in-and-day out. There are days I just cannot follow the conversations with due diligence. Thus, I must have missed one of your rejoinders to my query I shall visit it at once and might respond accordingly depending on what you have said there. Good then, there is an asterisk and addendum of sorts to your view numbered three, which will essentially read thus: *”Bashing the man is not enough because he already is destroying our founders aspirations and that’s I guess we can agree on him, that he must be bashed.”

          Many thanks,
          Beyan

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Hope,
    The Blin people are not your people only, I am Blins by upbringing, culture and any other aspect of life associated with it. But, though that is the fact, I have no special allegiance to any race, region or group when it comes to the national issues. Of course, my pending campaign to shift the capital city to Keren in the future is in place–not because of anything else, but for what Keren could teach Eritrea. And I say it with so much confidence because the town is blessed with a unique culture, unique tradition of religious coexistence, and unique blessing of geography…. that much of that is enough for now.

    Now my disappointments with some Keren “Boys”. Growing up, I do not remember Langa-Langa position in the behavior of the people. Today, I expect to see a clear position vis-a-vis the PFDJ. Taking the Eritrea cover and letting the PFDJ off the hook is not what I expect–it’s a despicable position to take.

    I have been in this struggle for too long–as the Egyptians say, I can understand some gestures when it is still flying, before it lands. I detest the soft spots that some have for the monstrous regime. A spot they try to cover with some national concern. The PFDJ and national concern do not fit together in one sentence. A sentence is just too narrow to accommodate the two unrelated entities: Eritrea and PFDJ.

    I am not a judge or a neutral person in this struggle and it pains me when my allies are abused, defamed and disrespected. by people who find many excuses not to heap the same vile descriptions on the PFDJ. To me, that raises a red flag.

    However, no one is an angel here. You can criticize anyone you want but criticism out of concern, to strive for perfection and to show a defect that might hurt the struggle is valid. But when criticism is done to weaken, to sow discord among the activists who want nothing but peace and justice, to demoralize them, and to promote paranoia and suspicion, it aligns the culprits with the PFDJ. And I deal with them as such.

    This has been my position forever. I have one enemy: the PFDJ. And anyone even “remotely” associated with the PFDJ is “remotely” my enemy. And I try my best to fight a clean fight: no racism, no bigotry, no dirty regionalist politics, not archaic primordial reasoning unless it explains the present.

    Finally, everyone here knows that you have a problem debating with me as an individual and despite the repeated appeal to you, you keep mixing my individuality with awate.com as an institution. That is something I cannot tolerate.

    Now, can we call it over and can you help me normalize it a little bit?

    Disclaimer: if I sense anything that conflicts with the above, I will surely react. Thank you

  • said

    Greetings,

    It Is Time the EU Steps in to Prevent a World Disastrous Folly by Washington and EU must seek to enhance their economic power with Horn of Africa nations, and encourage dialogue, rule and law, peace and era prosperity.
    The most unconventional; most irrational and most unpredictable Donald Trump, the elected President of the United States of America, has appointed one of the evilest and ugliest, most dangerous soul, John Bolton, to the head the most powerful position in the American Administration, possibly in the entire world.
    John Bolton, the ever non-repentant, ever hawkish and bellicose, insatiable warmonger par excellence, was appointed yesterday by Donald trump to replace General H.R. McMaster as the head of White House National Security Council, the apparatus that decides on the US Foreign Policy, on matters relating to War and Peace in the world.
    The White House National Security Advisor It is the position that was once held by malign and devious Henry Kissinger (please read Seymour Hersh’s “The Price of Power,” 1984) during the Vietnam War under both Presidents Richard Nixon and his successor Gerald Ford. Same with Condoleezza Rice under George W. Bush who head the listening ear of the President, as both Kissinger and Rice greatly influenced decision making in the US Administrations and the future of the US Foreign Policies impinging on the questions of War and Peace in the world.
    John Bolton, a staunch extreme right Neoconservative whose rhetoric and active advocacy played an important role during the Administration of George W. Bush of embarking, unprovoked, on the illegal Anglo-American disastrous invasion of Iraq, exactly, to the date, 15 years ago. The invasion of Iraq on trumped up fabricated lies caused immeasurable dire losses to the Iraqi people; the destabilizing of the entire region of the Middle East ever since, and huge losses to American lives and the American economy leading to the financial meltdown of 2008. America’s financial losses in Iraq must have added astronomical new $6.0 trillions to America’s national debt.

    The Grand Villain Jon Bolton is back to join another bellicose hawkish nominee to the US State Department, Mike Pompei, and not all that dovish mad-dog Mattis at the US Defense Department. A Frightening Troika, combination of advocates of singular military initiatives and actions in lieu of exhausting diplomatic and political solutions to world political crises and international disputes.
    Indeed, a very frightening scene if left to generally unstable impetuous, inexperienced and mostly immoral US President to rule over the world. Donald Trump is out to fight the whole world as concurrently yesterday, while declaring the nomination of John Bolton as his new chosen National Security Advisor, President Trump took a shot at behemoth China slapping, mostly ad-hoc, new tariffs on China in a move that would invite reprisals from the Chines that would only lead to worsening wold trade relations that would inevitably deal a serious blow to the American economy.

    The Duo Bolton-Pompei, following on the electoral campaign promises of Donald Trump, are very strong advocates that the US would soon rescind on its signature to the P5+1 Iran Nuclear Deal. With the duo Bolton-Pompei in place, come May, 2018, in a month and a halve from now, the US is likely to declare a decision to withdraw from the Iran Nuclear Deal.

    Besides, the Troika Bolton-Pompei-Mattis are likely to advocate actions confronting Iran in the Middle East, either right head-on and/or through heightening of security tensions and the proxy wars in Syria and Yemen.
    The world peace is at stake with an irrational narcissist US President and his bellicose troika are at the rein in Washington. Thus, it becomes most incumbent on the other Industrial Western powers to step-in and pre-empt Donald Trump Administration’s designs and frightening schemes.
    Isolationist Donald Trump and his bellicose Troika are set on their course immune to suasion by convincing rational reasonings and diplomatic arguments. No amount of convincing and rational arguments can now sway the Trump Administration of its combative belligerent course taking the world into their grab.
    What’s most urgently incumbent on the European powers, mainly Germany and France, to do is to act right opposite in reverse to the US President’s initiatives to escalate tensions in the world.
    The European Powers need to most assertively take active roles to contain and thwart damaging initiatives by the US Administration that could irreversibly set the world on a collision course to perdition. More specifically, the European Powers ought to contemplate certain bold initiatives, including:
    • Reaffirm their full commitment to the P5+1 Iran Nuclear Deal as in tandem the European countries should enhance their economic, trade and investment relations with Iran to encourage moderation and opening up and stop interfering in internal neighbouring araba nation. This to counter the inflicting damages the imposition of new sanctions by the US that could drive the Iranians to extremism. The European powers need to urgently counterbalance the rampant rhetoric of warmongering against Iran as lead by the Trump Administration.
    • The European powers, as in the good example of Germany, should press and insist on a Peaceful Solution to the crises in Syria, and Libya using their tremendous diplomatic capabilities and strong representations in the world organizations, to counter the Russian bullying and unwarranted aggressive stands and policies.
    • The European powers must seek to enhance their economic power with Horn of Africa nations ,and encourage dialogue peace and prosperity ,as EU do with trade relations with Mexico, South Korea, China and Canada to mitigate and attempt to offset the damages to free trade caused by the US’ new Trade and tariff policies.
    • The European Powers need to embark on initiatives to mend diplomatic relations with the Horn of Africa nations. The European powers need to alleviate Horn of Africa nations valid security concerns

    • The European Powers need to rethink their strategies and roles within Horn of Africa nations and define and set new rules of peace engagement to be respected and abided by IGAD nation states and to try and tame aggressive nation to its neighboring country and stop bullying one

  • Haile Petros

    Selam Hope,
    I sincerely believe there is a solution and it is in the hands of justice seeking groups, and with the help of various organized or non organized civic activities, One should be able to reduce or minimize the danger of a civil war in Eritrea …. but this does not mean to exclude the ethnic or religious groups legitimate grievances, It should be tackled through intense dialogue by employing a solution seeking mechanisms … recent example Ethiopia! Once you are able to galvanize the popular sentiments into a free and fair representation, which ultimately it will boil down to securing your power base, and the rest can be rectified through trial and error … Hope, If you can take your time read the programs and the political platforms of all the Eritrean opposition who claim to represent a segment of the population, their similarities overwhelm their differences ! Having said that, The regional powers like UAE, Saudi, Qatari can only capitalize on the reality they perceive on the Eritrean ground, including the divided opposition and the subservient role played by the PFDJ rule … I agree the Horn of Africa is becoming a volatile region, On some of the reality, We have no control of it … but, We can manage to form a coalition and speak in one voice, at least the one that pertains to our sovereignty and vital survival issues … Tunisia is a good example, Italy offered interference at one time, but The Tunis people refused … bold move, but eventually it serves the purpose !
    Thanks Hope,

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Petros,

      How are you brother? Welcome to awate forum, where you could share your views and learn from the clashes of ideas of others. Welcome again.

      Regards

      • Haile Petros

        Selam Amanuel,
        It’s good to hear from you again,
        Petros,

        • saay7

          Haile:

          Welcome to awate. You actually made an insightful comment that hasn’t been made by anyone yet:

          This is the first time that the PFDJ* has ever named an individual in its ever long list of enemies. Even when they were going after organizations, they always precede it with “so-called” or they mess up the name (as the latest statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did with RSADO when it referenced it as “the so-called Eritrean Red Sea Afar Organization (RASDO)”. They usually leave that to their friendly websites but at the official level–shabait, Haddas Ertra, EriTV–they never do that, not because they are noble but because they don’t want to acknowledge that any opposition exists.

          But when it comes to a citizen, Mohammed Jumaa, it has identified him by name. This is uncharacteristic, which is why I think they are just executing their wishes of their benefactor, UAE, which is obsessed with destroying Qatar and Mohammed Jumaa is just another collateral damage.

          saay

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Dear Haile,
      Very well put ideas. I really do agree that the solution is in our hands and but time may not be on our side. We need to make our demands hear in unison while we should respect our differences. I believe that our differences are our strength. Although we all are responsible, civic organisations alongside intellectuals should take this as their prime task if we are to save this trouble nation. Eritrean websites should also be ready to beat the drums of unity.

    • Hope

      Thanks Haile!
      Yes indeed,the solution is @ our hands.
      The dilemma again is how can we apply it ?
      Please expound what you started even in an Article Format…..
      Just give us a hint and the top Awate Univ Scientists and Professors will join you!
      Am sure they will line up..,
      Too many of them to list !
      Cheers!
      Haile Petros Ze-Minnesota that I might know?
      It doesn’t matter,just just bring up what u have to the table,Bro!

  • blink

    Dear Hope

    I think this all religious frictions assumptions were all in place since the founding of EIJM and to think this is new is false and all concerned Eritreans know this . When do you think this will end ? Well my answer is clear, Eritreans know them well and good by name in even by their home address. The normal prediction is that , this article smells just like the other articles and Eritreans Muslims and Christians knew this long time ago. Trust me Islamic political ideology will fail not because the people are smart but because the ideology is simply irresponsible and trash at best that can not stand a sun light in Eritrea or any other Islamic world.

  • Haile Petros

    Hello Gadi,

    Very well put, Both from historical and current perspectives, and I also observed the PFDJ government’s deliberate attempt to divide Eritreans on the basis of religion, … in fact, this may have been the first time where the PFDJ tugs identify an opposition figure by name ! On the other hand, PFDJ wants to show their loyalty to the Saudi – UAE coalitions, since the paycheck comes from them.

    However, before the people of Eritrea resort to the kind of violence that the PFDJ tugs wanted us to engage … I wish all the opposition groups will discuss and exhaust the issue of the PFDJ’s true intention in general (which you articulated very well), and the similarities of previous incidents pertains to various religions and other civic institutions … Hoping the struggle against the tyrannical rule will end up more like tunisia, not Libya or Yemen ! Would you agree?

  • blink

    Dear awate readers
    Just imagine telling people a covert game to be played is not the beginning . the American government totally wanted to dump border decision and by doing so the sanctions were all based on the lies sold by heinous people who worked to get rich by that . The ugly frezer was the key to slap Eritrea a sanction by not pushing weyane to respect the borderline. Susan rice the ugly woman was working only to kill Eritrea as a country but got smacked by reality.

    Eritrea didn’t help alshebab , it is a pure lies sold by lairs , there was no a single prove by the one sided party in charge.
    Eritrean border conflict with Yemen was sett in rest because of court decisions.
    Sudan was bombing Eritrea with its planes and was terrorizing Eritreans on the border . Sudan was trying to insert ugly ideology in Eritrea but get crushed mostly by low land Eritreans and the defense forces.

    You wanted to make Muslim brotherhood angels ? Is that so ? No they are evil and Qatar is the one driving the backward Islamic political ideology and it will fail in Eritrea.

    If You wanted to campaign for justice don’t attach it to unnecessary information that happens to be false.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Blink,
      You make a well referenced argument. How about leaving at that, without calling the women “ugly”. Since you wouldn’t say that about any man you hate or disagree with, it also good not to say it about the women. It takes away from the seriousness of your points.

      • blink

        Dear Abrhet
        I apologize you took it for her face, I didn’t mean her face but her intentions are ugly just like the most men .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam AT,

    This article goes straight to the issue all the Eritreans scared off to talk about it. The Eritrean religious divide instigated by the regime is continuing unabated since 1970. It createe mistrust and disunity on the religious components of our society. We have to open our eyes before it is too late to understand the evil strategy of the regime, specially the young generation. Though, I was aware about it, it is paramount to blow the weasel, to alert the uninformed majority of our people, as to what is coming in the light of the strategy of the Issayas’s regime.

    Regards

  • Patriot

    Selam Awate Team. You state that ‘he invited UN sanctions regime to Eritrea’. Is it perhaps more accurate to say that Ethiopia inadvertently caused UN sanctions to be unfairly slapped on Eritrea as a result of its overt refusal to accept the Eritrea – Ethiopia Boundary Commission decision? Aside this, I agree with most of what else is said.

  • blink

    Dear readers

    What can we expect from such lines?

    “What Eritreans and the world need to remember is, if unrest or violence breaks up in Eritrea, it is instigated, caused, and led by the PFDJ’s destructive and oppressive regime. No one else.why now ?

    If what happened to Somalia and Yemen is any indication, the Saudi and UAE care less about what happens to post-Isaias Eritrea.” Really?

    Relax , Eritreans will not go to the Somalia situation. Why don’t we have a profile of the accused man (the London man) ? After all he is getting free publicity from PFDJ and their goon man in Australia. If Trump did go throw his agenda we can expect John Bolton to ink to Qatar and Iran and let’s hope there will not be war.

    By the way Muslim brotherhood and Wahhabism are both evil political Islam that needs to be defeated.Qatar is a terrorist funding machine and the only reason it stays ok with the west is because it is paying dollars to stay relevant. Aljazeera is the propaganda machine of the Qatari leadership nothing more . Aljazeera is a Ethnic and religious inciting machine .

  • Beyan

    Dear Ustaaz Saleh G. Johar,

    Thank you for capturing the history of the man at the helm of power in Eritrea, in how he manipulated the Eritrean narrative whenever it suited him since 1977. And how the 2030 Saudi vision is now beginning to wreak havoc in the region, one of the first of its victims are the Yemini people. The menace at home is drowning himself by delving Eritrea deep into the mix. 1977 is a political watershed moment not only in Eritrea, where the pivot of Eritrea’s narrative begins to turn the tide in the menace’s favor, but also that of Saudi and Iran were brimming for cataclysmic paradigm sociopolitical shift.

    Here is one that I would like Awate readers to pay attention to, where an Eritrean activist based in London is becoming the collateral damage between these regional power players of the Gulf States. The Eritrean regime has the power to control what goes inside Eritrea, but we should never let it malign individuals who, by all accounts, are fighting the good fight for justice in Eritrea. Saleh G. Johar appeared to have anticipated for this reckoning day some eight month back when he highlighted the good work the two religious Eritrean men were doing, now one stands accused because it is rather easy to label a Muslim Eritrean man with that “terrorist” brush. If we let the regime malign one, it will not be beyond the realms of possibility it will try to do the same with various individuals who are actively challenging it at every turn.

    By the way, this is not about me. I am the least worried here, but the point is about letting any Eritrean to be framed and blackmailed by these corrupt and rogue nations. Sal, the tweet master, please come up with a catchy hashtag, something akin to “I am Mohammed Jumaa against Eritrean tyranny” and let us retweet it a million times. I know you have a lot of experience working with 140 characters or however many that captures the essence of our solidarity with the man. Let me end this note with re-quoting Saleh G. Johar’s entry where he alerts us about Mohammed Jumaa’s plight:

    “Last week the Eritrean regime implicated Mohammed Jumaa, a private citizen, as a leader of a Qatari supported armed group being organized in Eastern Sudan. As laughable as it is, one cannot help but be amazed at the foolishness of the Eritrean regime. Mohammed Jumaa is an Eritrean who arrived in the UK as a refugee, a man known for his humbleness and tolerance. Trues, he is not fond of the Eritrean regime as most Eritreans, and he a Muslim believer, who promotes religious tolerance and coexistence. However, given that, since if you throw such allegations at any Muslim, some of it might stick given the bigotry that surrounds us all over the world—and the Eritrean ruling party wants that tool to stay alive, and is using his name. Hundreds of Muslims have paid dearly for the Saudi brigandage, and for Wahabi intolerance and violence, unleashed by gangs that sprung in intolerant communities, whih have mede Eritrean Muslims a target even by the most fanatical religious zealots.”

    Here is the link, please give it a read to refresh your memory and so also you may see how the two religious leaders were working together to bridge the divide. You know the worst enemy to tyranny is when people begin to work across any divide. The religious divide is the divide that the regime wants maintained. Lest we begin talking to one another, it will in no time spread like wild-fire burning the man and his cohorts in Eritrea. They know the kind of danger this kind of alliance and solidarity will pose to their hold on power.

    http://awate.com/ahl-al-kahaf-the-sleepers-of-ephesus/

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Beyan,

      A small correction: the editorial is by the Awate Team

      • Beyan

        MerHaba Ustaazna,

        Duly noted. I stand corrected. I made the necessary correction by addressing it to the right addressee.

        Thank you, sir!
        Beyan