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I Was Wrong

Ever ordered “Chef’s Special” at a restaurant? Don’t: it is stuff the restaurant couldn’t sell. Also, two Americans opened a Chinese restaurant in China and everything Chinese was alien to the Chinese: kung-pao chicken, Mongolian beef, and definitely Chow Mein, invented by a San Franciscan chef and of course the take-out Chinese boxes (which the Chinese saw in movies and thought it belonged to one Chinese restaurant) and, of course, fortune cookies, originally Japanese—borrowed from Japanese internment camps in America. So, yeah, today’s Al-Nahda is a Chef’s Special: it is going to be that kind of article: this is your chance to run away. Short version: I was wrong about the Arab Spring; if you are a dependent you will always complain about the size of the welfare check; I am pessimistic about the Eritrean Lowland League; and, the Exiled Opposition need to know our limitations.

I Was Wrong

I despised what Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Tunisia), Moammer Gaddaffi (Libya), Ali Abdullah Saleh (Yemen), Bashar Assad (Syria) had done to their countries and I thought taking a gamble on a revolution is the right thing to do because whatever replaces them can’t possibly be worse. Clearly, I was wrong. It was a case of my idealism sneaking up on me.

Before I specify how and why I was wrong, I need to give credit to one Eritrean political leader who told me, at the time, that my assessment is wrong. What? No, it is not kbur President Isaias Afwerki. All he said at the time was that it was “creative chaos” (Fawda Kahalaqa, borrowing an Arabic phrase he heard from BBC Arabic) engineered by CIA/Langley and as to how it will turn out “we shall all wait and see,” which is Mystification 101 for “I have no idea.” No. The guy who called it right was an opposition leader who emailed me to say that while he has high hopes for Tunisia, because it is different, (by which he meant it is a literate society, with a fairly sized middle class and a long history of organized labor) he is not so optimistic about the rest. I will share his name (in the Forum) once he gives me the permission to do so.

To see how I was wrong, let’s take one example, Libya, not least because its leader, Muammer Kaddafi, used to infuriate me mostly because the three-letter media (ABC, BBC, CNN, CBC, NBC, FOX) told me to hate him. First, let’s take a look at its former colonizer, Italy; then let’s take a look at the state that pretty much runs the NATO alliance that tipped the war in favor of those who defeated it, the United States. The process of how Italy became a nation-state was long (40+ years) and arduous and organic. The process of how the United States of America became what it is now is even longer. Imagine if in the middle of their civil wars, the European Union or the United Nations had jumped in to “mediate” and threaten sanctions and issue resolutions promising to remain seized with the matter?

The problem with Libya, as is the case with nearly all African states, is there was no organic nation-state formation: they were declared by decrees. And, when they tried to deal with critical issues of governance, all sorts of assorted do-gooders will come in to fix things. Just yesterday, Ethiopia, which is clumsily trying to mediate the conflict between South Sudan warlords Silva Kiir and Riek Machar, decided to go over their heads and address the people of South Sudan. Reuters reported that it had seen a confidential report that the African Union may just fire the two leaders and run the country. Really.

In Libya, there are now two “governments”—one in Tripoli and one in Tobruk. The one in Tripoli is run by the Muslim Brotherhood of “Libya Dawn”, the one in Tobruk is the West’s favorite kind—its General has been called Libya’s answer to General Al-Sisi. They are essentially city states. In between are new emerging city-states—Derna, Sirte–some pledging allegiance to ISIS. The United States wants “moderates” from Tripoli and Tobruk to form a unity government. Egypt wants (but can’t get) UN permission to intervene directly in support of Tobruk and to destroy the Muslim Brotherhood in Tripoli (for its own domestic reasons.) And what Egypt wants, France supports because it just sold it billions worth of Rafael fighter aircraft which just has to be test-driven. But Turkey…

The guy who was in charge of the NATO bombing (the US ambassador to NATO, Ivo Daalder), was asked if, in retrospect, the intervention in Libya was wrong. “Unfortunately,” he replied, “the way Libya has evolved demonstrates that just because you give people the opportunity to decide their own future they don’t always decide in the right or best way — in the way that we would have wanted. So the situation in Libya has gone from bad to worse and is horrific in many dimensions. The future doesn’t look much brighter.”

So, I was wrong. There are no Omar Mukhtars in Libya now; no lions in the desert: just jackals and hyenas. It is possible to get something much worse than a brutal dictator: you can get multiples of brutal dictators all reporting to foreign interests.

And Therefore?

Reporters for Ethiopian opposition TV station, ESAT, went to Eritrea to interview President Isaias Afwerki where they found His Excellency supervising our renaissance dam (small r, small d.)  You can watch the English interview, if you are sadistic, (the Tigrinya-Amharic version is unwatchable.) But if you want the summary, it is the usual: Me Only, Me Too, Me Neither. Only I am capable of extraordinary things (“we never made a mistake.”) Whatever great things the world thinks it is doing, I am doing them too. Whatever quote unquote good things I am not doing, they are either not important (elections) or the world is not doing them, either (free press, Guantanamo.)  Me Only, Me Too, Me Neither.

Actually, since this is a Chef Special (you were warned!) let me digress a bit. A lot.

After ESAT (we will get back to them), the Organization of African Trade Union Unity (OATUU) descended on Eritrea last week, and this is what we learned from their interactive session with the president:

  1. Me Only: Eritrea is the only country whose head of state goes anywhere unescorted by intimidating bodyguards and lots of pomp and circumstances said one of the OATUU delegates.  Riiiiiight.
  1. Me Neither: “I’ve had a very controversial discussion with my colleagues [whom I haven’t arrested so far]”, said Isaias Afwerki, “…The Labor and Trade Union movement in the continent have been made irrelevant or non-existent….Do we have trade union movements in our societies? Do we have labor movements in our society? I don’t see that as a reality…[So, beliekin, setikhin, Aadikhin kidaley].”
  2. Me Too: “I share the strategic view of the Americans in the region. French forces in Djibouti have been a stabilizing factor, and U.S. troops will add to that. You need outside powers to keep order here. It sounds colonialist, but I am only being realistic.” Isaias Afwerki, interview with The Atlantic magazine on April 1, 2003. I just added that to remind those who want to bestow on him the Kwame Nkrumah, Patrice Lumumba, Amical Cabral Award for Pan-Africanism that he ain’t all that.

My favorite “Me Too” story of Isaias Afwerki comes in the form of an interview he had with Hwyet magazine in 1995. Back then, the buzz in industrial psychology was Total Quality Management (TQM): the US was feeling like it was going to be overtaken by Japan which was using TQM, developed by a US efficiency expert W. Edwards Demming, who was ignored by his countrymen and found a receptive ear in Japan.

By coincidence, I was working with an American car company to help its union learn total quality management. TQM is many things, and at its core is employee cross-training. In the interview, Isaias Afwerki says that this “fashion” called TQM “is something we had developed in Nakfa decades ago when we were assigning our people from military to civilian….” Again, TQM is many things—accountability being at its core, customer services being its end-game—but those don’t interest him.

Back to ESAT. They asked many very good questions (few of which were directly answered) but what really struck me because it is so familiar is one which, paraphrased, goes something like this:

“Many Ethiopian opposition leaders in Eritrea complain that Eritrea is not interested in nurturing groups who have nationalist interests; it favors groups organized along ethnicities. Some have even complained that it uses them as toys to pressure Ethiopia, to deny it peace of mind, but the Eritrean government really doesn’t want to see the downfall of the Weyane government…”

It is striking because many say the same of the Ethiopian government. So there are four possibilities: both Eritrean and Ethiopian opposition are right; both Eritrean and Ethiopian opposition are wrong; only Eritrean opposition is right; only Ethiopian opposition is right.

What was Isaias Afwerki’s answer? Whatever it is, it will appear in the next Somalia Eritrea Monitoring Group report so you know he was circumspect. But the point is this: an opposition group, based in the Diaspora, cannot make any impact unless it has direct connection with the home country. And using the Anti-Terrorism Proclamation (ATP), the Ethiopian government has arrested bloggers so what chance, realistically, do the Ethiopian opposition have to affect an outcome? They should take a page from Kinjit and go for the non-sensational, slow, gruesome evolution in their country because there is a formidable force—domestic and foreign—aligned against their revolution. This, despite the fact that they have to accept a constitution that was never negotiated, never discussed, but rushed through to consolidate TPLF’s choke-hold.

And therefore? How does this relate to Eritrean Politics? I will get back to that…if you don’t eat your meat, how can you have a pudding as the British philosopher-king Roger Waters once wrote.

Awareness and Action

I like my sociopolitical essays to come to me in boring, dispassionate treatise with footnotes longer than the content. That certainly is not the type of document presented by the Eritrean Lowland League (ELL.) Maybe that’s my fault: I didn’t read the original version, in Arabic, and maybe some things were lost in translation. But based on my reading so far, I think they are going to have a problem at the awareness stage and the action stage. But first, crash course of post-Italian Eritrean history (corrections are welcome.)

May 1941, shortly after British Military Administration took over Eritrea from defeated Italy, Eritreans formed “MaHber Fiqri Hager” (League of Love of Nation.) Later on, it dawns on the participants that they have completely different idea of what the nation is and how to express their love, and they splintered into Al Rabita al Islamiya (Muslim League, calling for independent Eritrean state) and Hebret/Andnet (calling for union with Ethiopia.) The split was largely (almost completely) on the basis of religion. A few years later, the Muslim League creates an independence bloc by forming alliance with progressive Christians (Independence Bloc). The Muslim League splits largely (ok, completely) on the basis of geography: Muslim League (Western lowland plus highland Eritrea) and Eastern Muslim League (Eastern Escarpment/Red Sea.) As the march towards either union or federated state becomes all but inevitable, a member of the Eastern lowland advocates for lowland federation with Sudan.

1951: Eritrea is federated. 1958, Mohammed Said Naud, a Western Lowlander, founds “Hareket TaHrir Eritrea” (Eritrean Liberation Movement) in Port Sudan. In the Eritrean highlands, its first organizers were Mohammed Berhan Hassen and Nuru Abdulhai (highlanders) where its official name was “Minkiskas Harnet Ertra” but was better known by the name the Ethiopian CID came up for it based on its cell-size: “Mahber Showate.” (Group of 7.) This was the first truly diverse Pan-Eritrean organization, calling on civil disobedience to overthrow the Ethiopian government.

1962: Ethiopia annexes Eritrea. 1961: the Eritrean Liberation Front is established calling on armed struggle as the means for achieving Eritrean independence. Almost all of the founders were Western Lowlanders and one of their first acts was to liquidate the Eritrean Liberation Movement which, sensing that its civil disobedience had been rendered moot following the annexation, had resorted to armed struggle. The next big fissure was the leadership of the ELF (then still mostly Western lowlanders) declaring a war of extermination against the mostly Eastern Lowland PLF (Romadan Mohammed Nur, Osman Saleh Sabbe.) By the time the ELF decided to have its first National Congress (1971), it had, at least programmatically, wholly embraced Marxism-Leninism and the “accepted” way of stratifying people vertically was by class (working class, peasant, bourgeoisie) and horizontally by language and gender.

In fact, on the surface, all the PLF (later EPLF) did is to embrace language as the only Halal way of stratifying people horizontally—the only two things it did is drop “speaker” as a suffix (instead of “Tigrinya-speaker” for example it opted for “Tigrinya”) and it dropped a group (“Elit”) and it added a group who were mysteriously missing from ELF’s approved groups: “Rashaida.”

I said on the surface. At the organizing level, what the ELF gave PLF-2 (later EPLF) was a gift that keeps on giving: if its ok to organize people on the language level, said the young author of Nehnan Elamanan (We & Our Principles), here’s what I will do:

a. I will tell them that the geographic organizations they inherited (Hamasen, Seraye, Akeleguzai) are just inventions of colonizers to divide us. Henceforth, we are “Tigrinya.”
b. Do not be guilted by anyone who tries to tell you that you are less of a nationalist than they are: you were part of ELM (pride), and “they” were part of the movement to separate Eritrea into Sudan just like our forefathers were part of the movement to hand over Eritrea to Ethiopia;
c. They are claiming they are Arabs; and you and I know we are not Arabs. Are you really going to take that?
d. You, demographically, outnumber them: please refer to the attached exhibit.
e. They have raided your cattle, abused your women, and slaughtered (not killed, but slaughtered with a knife, feel free to use any scary image you have in your head of the Mussulman) your brother while indulging themselves with multiple wives (wink wink.) Are you really going to just take that?

The reaction to this message by Isaias Afwerki was—complete revulsion by highlanders. Herui Tedla Bairu, then the de-facto leader of the ELF, proved it to me thusly: most highlanders continued to flock to the ELF after the publication of the Nehnan Elamanan Manifesto. Sure. But, here’s what Isaias Afwerki intuitively understood… something that we now know courtesy of communications experts.   Part of the reason I call Isaias Afwerki (and it infuriates my fellow opposition when I say that) a great communicator: he can communicate what Simon Sinek calls all levels of the golden circle: the what, the how, and most, most, most, most importantly the why. This, says Simon Sinek corresponds perfectly to our brains: the neocortex deals with the what (it is the rational and analytical), the limbic brain deals with the how and why (feelings, trust, loyalty. It is “responsible for all human behavior, all decision-making, and IT HAS NO CAPACITY FOR LANGUAGE.”)

All actions are preceded by awareness (conscious or subconscious.) My question is: how is the ELL going to create awareness? I am trying to visualize an organizer addressing a crowd: what language will he or she use? Arabic? Tigre? That in itself is a political statement–either choice will antagonize a segment of the Lowlander. Now, let’s assume it’s Tigre: is the person going to say, “H’na seb meta’Het…” to the Tigre/Blin/Bedawiyet/Afar speakers? Does that have an emotional appeal that can connect at the reptilian/limbic brain level of the audience more than, say, an appeal to religion? Does anyone say “H’na seb meta’Hit”? And if so, in contrast to whom? “htom, seb kebesa”? Will s/he say, “Hna Tigre…”? In contrast to htom, Tigrinya? Wait. According to Kjetil Tronvoll (“Mai Aini, A Highland Village in Eritrea”), Tigrinya means “language of the Tigre people. Tigr(e) is the speaker, while “inya” is the suffix.”  Moreover, the late Omar Jaber says that the Tigrinya and Tigre are so inter-mingled and inter-married that it is pointless to organize politics along those lines.

If one chooses a Marxist approach to organization–by class and lifestyle–isn’t the agrarian vs pastoral a legitimate argument, transcending geography? Shabait.com is full of articles of how Eritreans who gave up pastoral lifestyle for sedentary lifestyle have received better social services. Isn’t the pastoral-agrarian divide (a fine horizontal, class-based, Marx-sanctioned divide) something worth debating? Something that also happens to be verifiably true: that the PFDJ has no clue how to develop an economy based on pastoralism and it is predominantly biased towards agrarian society? The Africa Development Bank says (indirectly) that Eritrea’s literacy rate is driven down by the very low rates in Southern Red Sea whereas shabait.com tells us that in Debub Eritrea, literacy is now at 70%. Isn’t that data-driven information something that the ELL should base its arguments on?

And once you have the “awareness” (assuming you can get the Eastern Escarpment and Western Lowland people to think of themselves as One People) what is the “action”?

I ask all these questions because I think “diversity” is terrible when it comes to nation-building. Particularly given the EPLF’s infatuation with “mother-tongue language” which is impractical (For example: a Saho-speaker attends a Saho school and when his parents get transferred to Hagaz… the kid attends a Blin school? Riiiiiight.) The less the diversity, the easier it is to build a state. Singapore, Eritrea’s idol-state, just celebrated its 50th birthday; and it dealt with its “diversity”–which was basically three groups–very paternalistically and, in my view, correctly. So, if the ELL has a formula which lets us escape from the very unjust let’s-pretend-we-are-9-ethnic-groups-on-expo-days-but-at-the-state-level-actually-concede-there-is-only-Tigrinya, I am all for it. But so far, what they have is not a persuasive presentation: heavy on sentimentalism, light on data. It doesn’t even have something as basic as demographics.

The most exciting thing about ELL is that it brought back one of the most gifted, most exciting Eritrean writers, Ali Salim, by giving him something to write about (until he gets bored.). Now if only something could inspire the other insanely-gifted writer, Burhan Ali, to come back.

And what does that have to do with the subject I have been procrastinating on: the fight to bring about change in Eritea?

And Therefore, Part II

The job, the ONLY job, of the Exiled Eritrean Opposition is to present a forward-looking non-scary alternative to the Home Based Eritrean Opposition. By that test, Addis-based opposition fails and so does the Eritrean Lowland League. Wait, you should stop slapping your knees and laughing uproariously now and asking “WHAT home based Eritrean opposition”? Ok, are you finished? Let’s deal with this, my fellow exiled Eritrean.

Since 1991 and up until this week, there has been Home-Based Eritrean opposition. Some we hear about, some we don’t. Just this week, Eritrean youth (high school students) in Adi Keyh, spontaneously stood up to the Eritrean government, overrun police stations, which was sent to demolish old homes. Shots were fired. One died, two were injured. Maj General Philipos is headed there to give them all sorts of assurances that all is good. Then some flunkie from Wedi-Kassa’s office will go to pick up all “the leaders”, although there were none and it was completely spontaneous. But there are ALWAYS leaders: this kid was the captain of the neighborhood sock-football game: off with him!

In contrast, what have we done? Really now, I didn’t say, “what have YOU done?” I asked what have WE, the exiled opposition done? We did great at the AWARENESS stage (which is no small feat, so let’s take a bow.)  But at the ACTION stage? We re-arranged the decks. We created logos. We marched. We, umm, yeah, we created Facebook groups! We consolidated! We re-consolidated! We broke up! We re-re-re consolidated!

We mistook intent for results. A friend goes to Addis Abeba and meets with the Bayto people. “And?”, I ask. And, I saw their lifestyle, basically refugee lifestyle, and here I am coming from America…and I felt guilty and I said nothing.

Another friend calls. He is a “we have to do something now! Adi tTefei Ala!” friend that my friend Saleh Gadi Johar has called “the winter project” (But it is spring now, Abu Selah.) Usually, on the phone, I am a coward: I let people talk and talk and then I pretend I have an incoming call and I disappear. But not this time: I made him pretend he had another call he had to take and flee:

  1. The Assembly/Majlis/Bayto people are meeting in Addis next week, next month, next summer? Wish them luck but nothing will come out of it? Why? Because even in this age of globalization, you can’t change time zones: they will meet, they will make friends, and then everybody will go back to his exile of origin and realize that Skype-calling someone at 2:00 am is hard.
  2. The “hager tiTefie Ala, it is a state of emergency, we only have months to act!” hyperactivity actually forces you to make rash decisions. And we have made rash decisions on the basis of “hager tiTefie” ala for 12 years now. Calm the hell down.
  3. As an exiled Eritrean, the most you can do is create or join an organization, in your exiled town, that can be an example of a functioning civil society for the rest. Something that is so good, it inspires others to create chapters in their exiled homes. In the vicinity of Addis Abeba, Ethiopia, there are 100,000 Eritreans: if the Addis-based organization (Bayto, Alliance, whatever) cannot inspire a fraction of them to attend Eritrean social events, it is not a good example to follow.
  4. A good example in the US means an organization that can replace PFDJ’s “Organization of Eritrean Americans” and “Young People’s Front for Democracy and Justice.” If you can’t “own” the city, the state, the country you live in, you are not someone that the Eritrea-based opposition can look up and places their hope on as future leaders, as a government in waiting.

He asked, why aren’t you writing this in a compelling piece? Because I am not interested in leading it. And, so, ok,  I just wrote it as part of the Chef’s Special. Change will come from within Eritrea at the pace of Eritreans. If we, the exiled Eritrean opposition want to hasten it, we have to create functional organizations–laboratories–that demonstrated we can be trusted with Eritrea’s sovereignty, democracy, justice, diversity, yes, but also with finding practical ways to help our people by presenting alternatives to the tired policies of PFDJ.

Hope you enjoyed your Chef’s Special.  Here’s your check…and here’s your fortune cookie. I fully expect you now, Habesha style, to fight over paying the bill.

About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • selam

    Dear Selamawi

    Do you really believe what you have said? I can be blamed for your failer to bring prove .
    YOu are just saying , i am some one having twiter . In which i have never ever owned twiter account , that makes your statement is idiots.Read my past post if in any case i have defended the government.
    But i will say this , i will not give a pass to people who despise our history and if you based your allegation based on my defence to such evil people , i ask you to think again. You must know any one who forget our history and play nice to weyane for just little help is no an opposition. I have said this long time ago Ethiopian government is the reason our opposition lack every thing.
    For me i call an opposition who care for our people with out distracting our history in which they mobilize our people.
    So i urge come with truth.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Ghezae Hagos Berhe Won’t say it — Even Now!

    Here is Ghezae telling the whole world his stand. Please, pay attention to the pronoun “WE” and the the firmness of his stance and that those opposing views ” lack substance”

    ghezaehagos Mahmud Saleh • a day ago
    Mahmud,
    We are realists and very cautious. We have heard and know all these things you are saying and we find them lacking in substance. We considered everything and we decided Ethiopia will remain our partner. We will use the base as long as we are allowed to use it for the purposes of advancing our cause of fighting the Isaias regime

    Below, Ghezae comes back searching for ” clarification” from SAAY after he told Mahmud in no uncertain terms that the opposing views to his stand “lack substance”. If you are wondering why Ghezae after he has found the opposing views to “lack substance” is now asking SAAY for some clarification, that is what has precisely crossed my mind.

    ghezaehagos • 10 hours ago
    Dear Saay,
    I was going to ask you a question that I need clarification because the more I thought of it, the less clear it is getting. You have been telling us about the ‘toxicity’ of TPLF and that they appear to care about our affairs than us. Now, my question is what is that you want the Eritrean opposition who are in Ethiopia to do in respect to Ethiopia? Can you be clear please?

    1. Boycott/Complete disengage from Ethiopia.
    2. Stay in Ethiopia but challenge its policies in respect to Eritrea or statements of its leaders.
    3. Other options you may have.

    Below please read that literally Ghezae taking credit for canada decision to expel the Eritrean consul from Canada. Just think about the gall of it. He has given all the credit to himself and himself alone.

    Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird issued a news release Wednesday that said he has taken steps to expel Micael and he must leave by noon ET on June 5..” (2013.) (CBC news)
    “…..Canada made history,” said a jubilant Ghezae Hagos on Friday.

    Below, please find all that one needs to assess if this man even possesses a modicum of good and common sense. Ghezae is claiming that my post contained vulgar language and even went as far to suggest to that it should be deleted. But Ghezae didn’t point to even one vulgar word. He also made another wild accusation that was absolutely false that I was mocking the Tigrayans and their accents? So, the question is by what right does this person has made this utterly false accusations?

    ghezaehagos ‘Gheteb • 12 hours ago
    Gheteb,
    Ideally, this post should be deleted because of its vulgarity and demeaning of others. But we need it. While thousands of the youth were perishing to keep the ego of the tyrant alive, some were chanting ‘woyanena-enatrere-dubay-atyu.’ They thought they were mocking ‘xerfi-emo-zgedefnalu yeblnan’ Woyane army; time showed us they were indeed mocking the senseless deaths of their own innocent citizens…the thousands of them.
    Now, 15 years, you, graduate student of the pfdj school of vulgarity, are still mocking your neighbor’s language, which incidentally/coincidentally is ALSO YOURS. Your words could be sophisticated; but your are still naked. You learnt nothing. Time showed us people like you got no respect even to your own LANGUAGE and you talk of a nation!

    Below he has asserted positively that I, Gheteb, is a “PFDJ man”. I have asked what he based his conclusions on, he has so far decided to remain mum. I have also asked for some facts to back up all those Tigrigna sentences he wrote as if he was in Edaga Hamus hobnobing in some tea shops and talking about a certain person passing by. I am telling him that I take such claims against me seriously. Please, read and judge for youself.

    ghezaehagos ‘Gheteb • 12 hours ago
    Gheteb,
    Of course, you are a pfdj man…shitaraka dew’r nebsi! Aytihferelu…lemidnakum ina…!
    You see I am extremely proud and honored to represent the selfless and the brave patriots who dedicated their lives to struggle in Ethiopia in spite of everything (when few care about the nation and overwhelming majority of Eritreans don’t care/or gave up on Eritrea; when ‘dag’m gedli’ is an improbable if not impossible item in our psyche (d’tesewee entay rekibu..) mentality; when the other well-meaning prioritizes the ‘family-job’ first while doing part-time activism; and when lastly Ethiopia itself is known to be not the best venue, but a better option..yet they went nonetheless. Hence, as one can see, the brave souls who went to Ethiopia to struggle for democracy and rule of law in Eritrea are second to none in my mind.

    Below Ghezae offers a half-hearted apology ( please read carefully) which is NO APOLOGY. I have provided him with a video to support to prove where I have gotten the lyrics of the comment I wrote. Well, so far he has not come clean and did not offer any explanation at all. Again, I take this seriously for he has maligned and cast me as a person who is mocking other people’s accent based on that comment that he did not understand to begin with.

    ghezaehagos ‘Gheteb • 11 hours ago
    Ok, hiray…! so you quoted it from the song and you didn’t actually mock the tigray slung here. And for that my apologies. When you started with the mocking tone, ‘Atayo ayte kifle’, it sure sounded like one; and the fact that you failed acknowledge the source, we thought , naturally they were yours…

    Below, a comment that Ghezae has refused to answer. It has been 12 hours since I posted it. Why is he not answering? Well, for now I will wait patiently and give Ghezae one more chance to come clean, provide facts and other tidbits that he used to make such a sweeping accusations and mischaracterization on and of me.

    ‘Gheteb ghezaehagos • 11 hours ago
    Ghezae,
    Who is this “we” that you are so INURED in uttering a dime a dozen here? Let’s get real here. I know that I am dealing with one and only one person who is named Ghezae Hagos Berhe and no one else? I am really at a loss here by your use of the plural pronoun “WE” which to me means more than one person. You have used it when you averred that “WE” have decided Ethiopia to be our partner and base ourselves in Ethiopia. Mind some explication, Ghezae?
    Second, you are saying that ‘Gheteb is PFDJ? I want a clear answer from you on what you have based your conclusion on? And, if you can provide any supporting facts?

    • ghezaehagos

      Gheteb,

      You are still obsessed about me; go ahead, knock yourself out.

      The rule or at least practice as I know in this forum is to try to answer as many questions as possible so that the answer participants can understand your points as much as possible. That was not case in your part in your correspondence with you.
      The “We” is simply these of us who support working in or with Ethiopia. That is all. On the substance points, I argued repeatedly why I support working in Ethiopia in my first response to Sal and on other posts and including on Semere Andom’s post. I just didn’t want to repeat myself.

      I will like to correct you on one part. “Below please read that literally Ghezae taking credit for canada decision to expel the Eritrean consul from Canada. Just think about the gall of it. He has given all the credit to himself and himself alone.”
      Ah, poor you! I have never ever said and I won’t ever say that. In many postings, including here, I have thanked those who did the amazing job and I said I was honored to be part of the campaign. This was too big to me to take any credit…what I quoted for you was merely news media reports. That I did it because you, writer of the ‘aguagudom’ ridiculed me for the ‘by the rivers of Babylon’ article which I wrote after the demonstration we had against Sophia Tesfamariam. When you mentioned that again, in this thread, I responded that was long ago and now we at the human rights group are in better shape; so to prove that, I quoted from the news media….
      Ghezae Hagos

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ghezae,

        Why should I be “obsessed” about you??? I think you are really suffering from an incurable form of an affliction which is: DELUSION OF GRANDUER. Please, tell that to those who don’t know you. I could care less about your stands regarding Ethiopia. You can even go and claim that you are Ethiopian in CBC. I don’t give a diddly squat.

        Yeah right, you were giving credit to others in Canada who were in the thick of it, if you believe I was born yesterday. But ,hey, I am not surprised one bit by your attempt to hog all the attention and get all the credit. That isin your DNA and you can’t help it.

        Now, why have you failed to answer the other wild and serious accusations, defamation and mischaracterization that you have made and labelled against me. You are caught red-handed ( flagrante delicto) and you seem to be groping wildly for an escape route. I am not going “to knock myself out”, but I am going to make DARN sure that you are not going to walk away just like that after casting all your all your mendacious and maligning statements about me. Do you think that I am your garbage bin for you to dump your unfounded accusations and all the aspersions you hurled against me? NO. I am not. Let me remind you again, why are you avoiding to answer the two other questions.

        1) Your claim that I was mocking the Tigrayian accent and my post being vulgar

        2) That I am “a PFDJ” man??

        Where are your facts? That is what I am asking and I can’t be more clearer than that.

        Please, quit quibbling and prevaricating like an ‘ambulance chasing’ shyster here. Just answer the two questions and spare me of your sanctimonious crass grandstanding.

        • ghezaehagos

          Gheteb,
          Relax! there is nothing to hide here or avoid…if any, I can apologize and move on…

          Obviously you don’t know much about the things you are saying or possibly you don’t want to know. I answered your questions one by one as much as time and attention allowed me…and you are still insulting me of ‘taking credits’ and kalee hateftef. Weche gud! Remember you STARTED this by calling my serious post as ‘hilarious’ and ridiculing ‘rivers of Winnipeg’ article….anyhooo!
          I will try to answer your two questions:-

          1. On pfdj: “…let me tell you that in defense of Eritrea and in all endeavors that aim to preserve Eritrea’s sovereignty and all efforts that is geared in foiling Weyanes evil and nefarious agendas, I am PFDJ, if and only if, that PFDJ is aligned to do the same…” You said. Same in most of other posts. A textbook PFDJ person spends most of his energies and posting fuming at Woyane, Ethiopia and the opposition while completely ignoring/ or downplaying what brought us in first place: the human rights abuses and the rule of tyrannical regime in Eritrea. I am not talking about pfdj card holder; but ‘atehasasba’. What I consider a pfdj line of thought (‘Atehasasiba’) is keep the opposition busy and engaged about their squabbles and about Ethiopia, less time to debate about the grim state of affairs in Eritrea. That is classic one that they employ widely. You also endorsed pfdj minions in the forum to become leaders of future Eritrea. So, I connect the dots from your posts and deduced you are another pfdj in the forum. Now, it is plausible that I may not have the whole information or miss some dots. As this is a public forum, where we come to conclusions from the posts we see, we can end up having mistaken affiliations/conclusions. The thing is I have yet to see any different post from you. (like 120 something entries..) If you are going to do different, I will see. And I would apologize heart fully accordingly. There is nothing I would like to see more than more fellow justice seekers joining the forum and doing pro-justice activities. Towards that, I would do what is expected of me. No question.

          2. On the mocking part, I said, “Ok, hiray…! so you quoted it from the song and you didn’t actually mock the tigray slung here. And for that my apologies. When you started with the mocking tone, ‘Atayo ayte kifle’, it sure sounded like one; and the fact that you failed acknowledge the source, we thought , naturally they were yours…” Didn’t I say (I repeat again) ” you didn’t actually mock the tigray slung here. And for that my apologies…”If that doesn’t satisfy you, “Ok, I apologize for thinking you were mocking the Tigray accent..”

          Ghezae Hagos

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ghezae,
            Stop your condescending tone here, alright? I am asking you to provide me with FACTS not something arbitrary or some asinine subjective criteria about your claim that I am a PFDJ man. I am only interested in facts and FACTS only. You did NOT provide any facts here and I expect you to FULLY retract that accusation. Look, I am not interested to read even one more word except a FULL RETRACTION and unqualified APOLOGY.
            Let me also tell you that I will NEVER, ever, join you in anything for I know who you truly are. Banish that thought. Your political outlook is out and out crass political opportunism and you are not a justice seeker. That is how I view you. So, again stop your patronizing attitude when you suggest that if “you can do better”. Who do you think you are? Let me tell you bluntly what I thought and still think of you: A political CIPHER and a pip – squeak. You may think it is all halelew or something else. Fine, think whatever you want. Just retract your claim that I am “a PFDJ man” since you don’t have any cold and hard FACTS and for that I expect a full and unqualified apology and a retraction. After that, so far as I am concerned, you can disappear into thin air as I consider you to be a nonentity in the first place!

          • Mizan

            Are you threatening sir? The question should be to you: who are you? Go ahead use the words Nitricc uses against me but I don’t give a damn. You are very pretentious. I can see that deep down, you are happy to be labelled a ‘PFDJ man.’ You might be worse for al we know. Oops, I used ‘we.’ Don’t worry I mean Ghezae and myself.

          • Nitricc

            He wasn’t talking to you? why are you interfering between those two? i did not see your name? what is to you?

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb; is not better to be accused being PFDJ than an opposition? I don’t know about you but I rather people think i am PFDJ than the rootless, faceless and goal-less opposition. the oppositions are out just in name and most of are milking the greedy TPLF. so, Gheteb, don’t mind them; they are lost and wasting their time bending to Weyane.

  • Mizan

    Dear Awates,

    Please allow me to comment on two things.

    1. The debates between Gezae Hagos and SAAY and also SGJ, A. Hidrat, and others is exemplary. I encourage the rest of us to show that kind of civility, tolerance, and professionalism although it’s gotten a little sour between SGJ and Mr. Hidrat. Thank you gentlemen for showing us the way to debate.

    2. This is for the men I mentioned above. As far as Erirean politics and social movements or activism is concerned, I would say my IQ is that of a typical Eritrean.

    • Saleh Johar

      Yes Gerhi, Ethiopia has been good to our people in many aspects, particularly by providing an a safe haven for the escaping youth, and providing educational opportunities. Only the thankless can deny that. But when it come to opposition politics, I am afraid the goofed big time.

      I have no stomach for groups who stay in hiding and only discuss their issues in Ethiopia, fight only in Ethiopia, merge in Ethiopia, and they do their dirty politicking only in Ethiopia. That is because they have been able to hoodwink many people there with heir Three Card Monte, and getting the leverage to eclipse dedicated leaders and able politicians who are forced to stay away from the fry, and who lost hope and are not willing to deal with Ethiopia in the current modus operandi. You want them to Communicate with Eritreans? They don’t do it because they have nothing to show when challenged–apart from beAawet tezazimu meetings, dance parties that are promoted as a critical act of struggle against the tyranny in Asmara… and maybe the registration card that recognizes them as a legitimate entity, alphabet soup. And when people like me, activists who chose communication as a means of struggle, inform on them and expose their lame activities, they go crazy because we informed the public who should know. Eritreans opposition politics is not for part-timers, amateurs, and those with faint hearts, which is the main reason (again, main reason) it is failing.

      • Mizan

        Saleh Johar,

        That’s as honest and as accurate depiction as I have seen with respect to opposition parties. Honestly, I don’t think forming political parties or organizations is even the way to topple PFDJ. I think a more basic approach as in how Wedi vaccaro was going makes more sense. Our people are dispersed everywhere and most do not have the time nor the stomach to be part of groups that stay in the shadows as you alluded to. I would encourage you perhaps to make a U.S. tour and lecture on contemporary eritrean problems. Those things awaken people a little better and that generally isolates PFDJ and that is the way to beat them. Taking away the ambivalent people from PFDJ and depriving them of much needed hard dollars.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Mizan & SGJ,

        Mizan,

        Eritrean Global Solidarity (EGS) was not and is not a hidden organization. It was established in 2007 from two mass media outlets (awate and asmarino) and five Eritrean public forms (NY,Dellas, Boston, MN, Atlanta), at Washington DC. I have no doubt Saleh role in building the organization, especially before it officially designed its organizational and institutional structure, with clear mission. You know what I mean by organizational and institutional structure. If an organization doesn’t have any organizational structure, institutional structure, and a stated principles, I don’t call it an organization. So EGS was founded in 2007 at its founding conference from the delegates of the “public forms and media outlets” I have listed them above. I have participated in the conference, as an individual with “none voting” rights. Iut wholeheartedly supported to the newly formed civic organization. But I wrote an article about my hopes and disappointment on the electoral and enrollment system of the organization. Below is a link two articles attached in one link. The link will tell you how we elect the board and, and how enroll other public forms to the loop of EGS.
        http://awate.com/egs-on-the-verge-seeking-civic-identity-stature

        After a year, when my hopes are dashed on the electoral structural change and enrollment change (which I was advocating civic society should be formed on individual vulenterism without dual membership), I stopped my active participation with the organization until up to 2011. It was in those years I left, that the organization had passed through ups and downs in its internal crises. I think Saleh is referring about those years complaining about the organization. Otherwise, the baito issue is not the only Civic organization that participate in the national congress of Hawassa. It is not only EGS that had a seat in the baito. If Saleh has a qualms about the participation of the civic organization in the baito, he didn’t show his opposition on the quotas of the seats that was allotted to many civic organizations including EGS. His argument that civic organization shouldn’t be part of the baito, is something that develop later on, in order to bar EGS from the baito. He never raised the same questions to other civic organization who have seats in the baito by the way. The issue is , it is all political and personal against EGS organization. I understand it from what his point of argument is coming. The fight he had with the leadership when I was not there. EGS then and EGS now is different. Because now it has civic structure, and the enrollment is purely by individual voluntarism that do not have any affiliation with political organizations (to avoid any conflict of interest, which was the norm before 2011). So Mizan, there isn’t any secret with EGS organization,its success, its internal setbacks was public. For your info here is the website of the organization.

        http://www.eritreanglobalsolidarity.org/index.php?option=com_jomwebplayer&view=video&wid=9&orderby=default&Itemid=109

        Abu Saleh,
        Please let us stop the argument on EGS. I know the organization equally, though you might contribute more than me at its inception. I will not argue on that, but on the political argument you are making, I have different take and had different qualms on the organization at its early stage, as you have your own, but the reality of EGS at this juncture I know better than you, as I am a member of the organization and you don’t. At the time you had a conflict with the leadership, the organization haven’t had a civic structure. On the conference when I was arguing on “individual voluntarism membership” and the election of the board by individual votes, you oppose it. The election wasn’t democratic election rather the board was formed by chairmen of the the public forms and owners of the media outlet. That was in itself that brought the internal problem where the bases haven’t any role to resolve the problem of the organization. Thanks God the organization is evolved to pure civic organization based on individual voluntarism and its leaderships are elected by democratic process. It is not the organization you know it before it is evolved. What I still ask you is, let us move on. We can’t live on our old conflicts. The changes are made within the organization, and it will continue to contribute to the struggle of our time.

        • Saleh Johar

          Now we parted Amanuel, what you have presented is a self-serving narration. It is not accurate. EGS has history before you came along, before 2007. This is sounding like Isaias implying the Eritrean struggle started in 1971 and erase everything before that. But this requires proper narration, just to contribute to the despicable behavior in us to revise history in a way that serves us. But this is not even old history, and thanks to the Internet, everything is documented. The latch is now on….I will come back to this, definitely to correct the twisted understanding of the issue.

          • Asmerom

            Dear Mr.Saleh Johar
            I am not trying to interfere , but I do have some questions to more understand and learn about this issue.
            As a founder of this group Why didn’t you stay with EGS and try to correct it if it was going to the wrong direction ? why did you gave up ?
            If you think attention shouldn’t be given to this group why do you bring it to discussion ?
            As a founder you do know the members of this group why don’t you discus it in a different venue and solve your differences ?
            You do believe in reconciliation so why don’t you start it with group ?
            If you think my questions are not important at this moment and time I do understand
            Thank You

        • Saleh Johar

          Amanuel,
          I was mad at you all night, you made me spend time fishing all the history from the archives. We are reviving the archives, but I had to do this manually. You know what, I found that the material is fit for proper documentation and I will have it ready soon. But since I promised to correct you yesterday, I will give you one link that will show you Eritrean Anti-Tyranny Global Solidarity operated for two years before almost all of its current users came on board. Remember Ararat Eyob? Of course not because as far as you know, the exercise started when you came on board. But Ararat was part of awate and she really worked hard to make it happen. In fact she warned me about what will happen when ambitious people take over any initiative–I didn’t take her advise and now I know she was right and as Sal Younis would put it, “I was wrong.” But anyway, the link will take you to a press release that formally proposed for the first time (following Awate Team) the sanctions against the Eritrean regime. Looking at the materials so many years later, it is amazing how vibrant and diverse it started and how inspiring it was until it was crippled by hijackers. Here is the link, from March 2006, way before your claim that it was created when you attended in late 2007. This is just a tip of the iceberg: http://awate.com/?p=100020

      • Nitricc

        SJ, why is it all the TPLF foot soldiers keep telling us how the TPLF thugs are providing safe heaven and accomidating Eritrean refugee. fine, Sudan has been accomidaiting and providing a safe heaven for Eritreans for the last 40 years but never is mentioned nor appreciated by the Eshi-Goytay crowd. why?
        The truth is Ethiopia accepting those refugee for reasons.
        one to get more Aid, the more refugee you have the more Aid you get.
        and two, there are more Tigryans resettled pretending to Eritreans under UN program in the west that Eritrean refugee themselves. true; so, why is all this credit for Ethiopia but never for Sudan.

        • Saleh Johar

          The reason they are telling us Ethiopia is providing safe haven is because that is a fact. You can’t treat 200,000 refugees as if they don’t exist–they are not “who is Joshua?”

          Sudan did it. True. But if, say, Ghezae does a favor for me, and then you do me another favor, I shouldn’t be rude and tell you–what is the big deal? Ghezae also did it before you. That is thanklessness, not appreciated in our culture. In Arabic they have a perfect word for it: JuHud.

          The rest of your argument is not factual. Ethiopia can bring half a million of its people and claim they are Eritreans and get the “aid” that you are talking about. You think the white man who gives aid would distinguish between you and someone from “Dedebit” 🙂

        • selam

          Dear Nitricc

          Have you ever seen a greedy priest in the Eritrean wuray . where he take the largest portion of the bread to himself and cut the remaining in to a very small , that is the weyane way of doing things , about the aid to refugees.By the way it is 15kg wheat no more no less so the aid is going some where else ,we should not take such thing as big thing .

          The ethiopian people helped as even at the time of hailesilasie and dergi , we know that. But weyane , these people has no helping hand at all.

          • Nitricc

            Selam, forget helping. any where in the world dead people are buried. for the first time in human history TPLF is to dig out dead people from their resting place. that should tell you everything you need to know. this what the Eshi-Goytay crowd have no clue for. for me, the Eshi-Goutay crowd must eradicated. no doubt, they are weak and corrupted.

          • Kokhob Selam

            when? where? how? evidence please.

        • Rahwa T

          Selam and Ni…,
          May be the weyane should keep quite until the number of refugee reaches 3 million and sit at Shimelba for 50 years. Will you guys appreciate them then?

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa.T
            I am not saying running is the solution actually running is the main couse to prolong the IA regime.

            As per the numbers ,i do not think you as an ethiopian has any thing to say about Either. Which means you are not part of it. The land for the refugee camp is rented to the UNHCR. It quite surprising to see one from ethiopia talk about numbers. Will you say the same about Oromo people who are still going to somalia , as for eritreans they are an asset for ethiopia.
            What i am saying the bragging right of ethiopia should be seen from both sides of business.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam,
            Good points. Those who never fail to tell us that the Weyane-led Ethiopia is hosting Eritrean refuges and therefore we should be grateful, NEVER mention The Sudan which has been hosting Eritrean refugees since the sixties. Well, Sudan is not paying those who say they are anti-PFDJ. It is as simple as that.
            For the Weyanes, though, they are hosting Eritrean refugees for their own interest and not because they are angles or care about the Eritrean refugees.
            What those who preach that we have to be eternally thankful to the Weyanes always fail to mention those Eritreans who were expelled by the very same Weyanes. And, how the Weyanes looted and stole their wealth and properties. Well, that is the TRUTH.

          • abrham

            Gheteb,

            I see your hate towards Weyane is unspeakable like the PDFJ is doing. Ignore or demonize the Weyanes who are ‘renting’ their land to UNHCR to the level you want as they will continue renting and please do not be grateful to the people around the refugee camps as they will continue helping the helpless people flooding from the north.Unlike your PDFJ the Weyanes officially ask apology from the like of Selam or you but you still hammer the issue on the head. But I thank you as you are greatful to the people of Sudan who have made so much for so many years.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam,
            My short comment was addressed to your friend. I just added (may be wrongly) because both of you are breathing on the same lung. I am so sorry to include as one of him. Sometimes you have very good points to discuss which agree. Other times, your comments goes out of line. There are many of them. May be next time I should take them as highlights. But here is one: “…refugee camp is rented to the UNHCR”. This is a lame point to argue. The only thing that comes to your mind is “Rent”. You should look the negative impacts of having refugees beyond that. You should consider the environmental consequences of having huge number of people in a small area as the carrying capacity will be way beyond you can imagine? Issues of security, social, economic and politics are not things you can underestimated. So please do not make it as if Ethiopia is benefiting from refugees. You are repeatedly mentioning the Oromo in almost all your comments on Ethiopia. Obviously, Eritrea don’t have a single Oromo refugee other than the few military men defected from the front.

  • Amde

    Nitric

    To be fair – there is the Kim dynasty of PDRK. Say what you will about them, ball deficit is not a charge that will stick about them.

    And WeldeHanna GebreHanna are not unusual names. Aleqa GebreHanna is a character quite famous for his wit.

    So Kim Hanna may be a ballsy Ethio Korean with a penchant for wit.

    Whaddayathink?

    But it is true I always assumed him to be a she.

    Amde

    • Nitricc

      AMDE, the reason i say that is i was fooled too. lol thought she was her but one time he used some wired chauvinistic word the i know it was him. please don’t tell my friend Tes, i used the word ” chauvinistic” he will me after me. lol. the point? i was fooled too. i thought she was a woman.

      • Amde

        Nitricc,

        Well now you piqued my interest. If Tes will come after you for using the word “chauvinistic” – this I want to see. Was he concerned you were not chauvinistic enough?

        You might be safe from the wrath of Newton’s at this point – I don’t know how many of Newton’s laws he still has left having dished them out left and right recently. Hopefully he can use his scientific training to better use. Perhaps he will paraphrase ohm’s law into something that ties power and resistance? Use Boyle’s law to explain why refugee outflow volume reduces internal pressure in Eritrea?

        Amde

  • Dear SAAY,

    What a humble and bold title. The infectious optimism of the Arab Spring sneaked up on a lot of us. Indeed, as you put it, “It is possible to get something much worse than a brutal dictator: you can get multiples of brutal dictators all reporting to foreign interests.” Lesson learned.

    Speaking of being wrong … here is what I wrote 4 years ago right after Mobarek stepped down.

    “Empowered by the advancement in communication technology and their belief that there is nobody out there looking to save them, they took matters in their own hands. What used to take months happened in days; weeks became hours. Slow down! You are not supposed to microwave a Revolution; it is meant to brew slowly and erupt at it’s own pace, was the traditional message most people believed to be true, now turned upside down and on its head. It turns out, you can not only microwave it, but also tweet it, text it, Facebook it and televise it. Conventional wisdom, shattered. ”

    Really enjoyed the Chef’s Special. Thanks!

    • saay7

      Selamat Dan G:

      thanks…. Dan G in da house:)

      look Dan, if you are going to be a politician, you can’t come out and say “I too was wrong.” If you can, you should say, Isaias style, “we never made a mistake.” But if you absolutely must admit, then you should say “gegatat aytegebren malet aykonen.” 🙂

      How’s Operation “Eritrean Solutions for Eritrean Problems” going?

      saay

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Nitricc,
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  • tes

    “Of the 37 people I asked, 37 refused to answer any of my questions”

    A BBC reporter from Asmara found the strange nation in Africa

    http://www.caperi.com/listen-to-bbcs-first-radio-report-out-of-eritrea/

    tes

  • Ted

    SaAy, the saying””That which does not kill us makes us stronger.” to be ever right, it has to be looked at in context of TPLF twisted scheme and Eritrean people. These are the same people, in disguise of border war, who tried to destroy everything Eritrea. We have come a long way to understand what change means in the spectacles of super powers. The diaspora with all its arsenals to empower its people has been crippled by these shorted sighted and some malicious “opposition” groups. They try hard to shove it in to our throat “the bayto” in Ethiopia as a legitimate and only way of struggle. We need to work harder confronting and exposing these people if we want to have change in Eritrea.

  • selam

    The sheer misunderstanding of words or purposefully targeted commentator by a moderator ? Yes you awate.com moderator. Even if i came here thinking a fair place to debate with people on a level of playing field . Nothing surprise me more than things that i thought were simple but the gate keeper said for you we do not allow but for OTHERS it is ok to bash You. You banned the word 1, Agame, 2 ,brith certificate from condom industry.3 the picture of ethiopian leaders , who happens to be the murderers of the Eritrean people .

    You have allowed the word shilu, trash,lunatic , ignorant, and so many that was purposefully targeted words to a person.May be i am new to commenting in a forum which is more interested on keeping grown old men who are that demonizing to a woman. That kind of idea is way way old and primitive so i do not think you are doing such to me.May be i understand the words differently. May be you yes you the moderator have no shame to shut out one girl who is Eritrean yes , i repeat you feel ashamed due to some personal believes you have to some words yes , i cruelly believe that is one reason.At one point you try to flag my IPS and tried to tell position to people on this site in which you failed to understand how your provider only can tell you the basic WIPS . Now why will you do that ?I am not that much addicted to come and reply to many exclusive men unless you people at least check the level of playing field. I have been reading awate.com for so long and even some times see your 15 minutes youtube videos , that was long, you remember saleh.G where you was smart to draw PFDJ leaders and ask them questions. I used to laugh

    I am not debating with the captain , i am just expressing how i see it.

    • sara

      Dear selam, you are not alone, at least i always upvote you and many are reading your comments, the good thing is you are young and while we are as you said a bit older and doing this scribing between jobs outside and around the kitchen/kids at home. we know we would like to come always to support you but we are not… and sorry.
      one thing is as someone here has said you are one of a kind …

    • Mizan

      Hi Selam, I don’t think you are being singled out but who am I to make that call. I have had a few of my comments deleted because they were inappropriate but I did not complain because I knew what I did wrong. I am trying to clean my act but I understand sometimes we get very passionate about certain things and it is very obvious to me that you are extremely resentful of TPLF/weyane. Your feeling is shared by a very large segment of our population. I wouldn’t say it is unfounded or unjustified feeling. Some of the commenters here do not help alleviate situations but they make it worse. But I must say, if it weren’t for passionate people like you, it would be boring here. So keep your passion in place but choose your words more carefully as I am trying to do myself too. I used a terrible word yesterday which you spotted but fortunately, it was deleted and I got a warning and I am trying to keep it clean. The word I used against you which you listed above is not very bad but since you found it offensive I apologized. What we need is not those kind of words rather more cordial and more friendly words even to the people whom we perceive as our enemies. Moreover, the more calm and cool you are, the more your voice will be heard. Shouting is not productive. I gave the same advice to Tesfabirhan. He is one bright guy and he can be a leader. He has it naturally. I think you do too. If there was election today, imagine people know all these bad words that you use here, if you do use bad words? So just pretend like the people you love the most are reading this and you do not want to disappoint them. That would get you grounded well and you will win a lot debates, probably not with me though.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear salam
      Keep coming; listen to the moderator though. I don’t want to see you banned.

      • Hayat Adem

        Mahmuday,
        But how do you do it man? You are so mature and decent but you get along with and sometimes give a pat on the back to annoying brown tongued people? You are so civil and decent as far as your language is concerned but you encourage and endorse vulgar participants. how do you do that? Do you have some standards you want to keep yourself and an urge inside to use others for the substandard you found inconvenient for man of your stature? You have to help me understand you. Selam is the one who once stirred dust and ash for being called shillu. Shillu denied to be an offensive word by many and as to me it is relatively mild word and incomparable to the repulsive language she is using but on that I stood with her. But she comes around and said “che—ti weyenti”. When alerted, she firmly went on and prescribed it for every Eritrean to use that word against weyenti. And see the decency level from the Ethiopians- no one rushed to pay her in kind from the other side. I don’t remember many people reprimanding and despising her for that. I was so disgusted like you would feel when you watch an uncomfortable graphics in the presence of your family. I was not even thinking about defending those on the receiving end but the fact that I am reading it and it somehow reflects bad on Eritreans disgusted me. It was a real sight pollution. Apart from that, these are the guys who were with you in Sahel receiving some of the fired artillery with you on your side. Once our house is in order, these are guys whom with we envision a shared future in fighting the biggest challenges of our region- poverty and backwardness. How do you feel when an extremely annoying brat comes and calls such names on any one much less on people you have shared history and future? If you don’t want her banned, tell her also this is not a KG forum in a ghetto neighborhood. This is not a favor for the ones being insulted, it is mostly for the sake of Eritrea. These bad language are not exclusivelya monopoly of Eritreans
        hayat

        • Nitricc

          You have the nerve to ask the very question how you do it. Let me ask that; how do you lie to yourself in a daily bases to be Eritrean at that a Muslim one? You smell all the way Dedebit a mail away. How do you do it? Shoot me, pay check, Sorry I forgot.
          You are nothing but disgraced liar.

          • Hayat Adem

            I am still waiting for the name of the hawzien video or the link you watched, truth teller. come on, you might have not been one but once this guy gives you the name you got to try to live it. I’ll give you a simple pass test. just prove yourself that you are a truth teller just on this hawzien and i’ll surrender to you officially. it must not be hard because you said it is a video you watched. just mentioning the name of the video or providing the link will do it. do it at least as a favor for saay. don’t let him down because how long can he tag you with the truth-teller pretending he is not bucking off on you because that phrase passed his lips and knowing inside that you are a true consumer and emitter of lies? i know you don’t care for your name but he cares for his so help him please.

        • Kokhob Selam

          that is special gift Hayata, you can’t get it in any university. I wish Nitricay learn it.

        • selam

          Dear Hayat.M
          I have used the word chenewuti because you have protected the murderers and genocide-rs as far as angels.Forget about the guy who got shot in sahel (TPLF fightes ). They also killed ELF fighters so do not mix .
          What i said and continue to say is , please You hayat admit the crime committed by these three leaders over the Eritrean people.Now i can see your words are so kind only to you not to me, You see you have used so many bad words in the above post.

          At least i am not using other names to frame people that should be +ve sign , and if i in any case say bad words to any one personally , please correct me . I have never ever used any words to insult some one personally.

  • tes

    Dear teweldinho,

    I am also rolling on the floor laughing. I had a long seminar day and now I got a relief, at least I can repair some of my cells.It is good. During Newton’s law, everything is possible and indeed it was.

    Rire!!!

    tes

  • ghezaehagos

    Dear Saay,
    I was going to ask you a question that I need clarification because the more I thought of it, the less clear it is getting. You have been telling us about the ‘toxicity’ of TPLF and that they appear to care about our affairs than us. Now, my question is what is that you want the Eritrean opposition who are in Ethiopia to do in respect to Ethiopia? Can you be clear please?
    1. Boycott/Complete disengage from Ethiopia.
    2. Stay in Ethiopia but challenge its policies in respect to Eritrea or statements of its leaders.
    3. Other options you may have.
    Related observation: I genuinely thought of the dependency issue. As we talked on this forum previously, not everyone is dependent on Ethiopia on the same level. There are many who may have offices like others, but still maintain strong diaspora constituencies, and others have less resources and hence dependent on Ethiopia. There are these who have ideological affinity or historical partners with TPLF and hence could be more supported by them than others.
    What I am driving at is, dear Saay, it is invariably incumbent upon you to come out and tell us exactly which groups you feel are too dependent or if you think all, and you have to explain how. We stopped at almost similar juncture last time and may be you can push the debate further by going into the groups….The hardest issue in my opinion is what is your take on Kunama and Afar movements. It would be interesting to hear your take in light of your ‘new’ position in respect to Ethiopia and Ethiopia-based groups?
    Ghezae Hagos

    • saay7

      Ahlen Ghezae:

      As my friend SGJ likes to say, “Ethiopia is the Diaspora, too.” So let me be clear:

      1. Since there is no room for political activism in Eritrea, all of us are (for now) doomed to do our political activism in exile.

      2. To state the obvious, our places of exile give us either wide latitude (Western nations), or no latitude (Sudan, South Sudan, Middle East where Eritreans are essentially blackmailed by need to renew passports and work permits) or somewhere in between (Ethiopia, South Africa.)

      3. Eritreans exiled in Ethiopia should, of course, exercise their political right and agitate for change. However, due their entirely dependent status (dependent on Ethiopia for their daily bread, their offices, their venues, their ability to organize meetings, etc), they cannot be the leaders of the exiled opposition. Year after year, their record at organizing Eritreans in Ethiopia is lackluster. They have no continuity as their host controls their agenda and buys engagement rings to newer and shinier constellations every year.

      4. The Kunama and Afar movements are, to me, wholly owned subsidiaries of EPRDF. This does not mean the Kunama people, and the Afar people do not a long list of grievances against the people and state of Eritrea going back to decades. But their “killil” approach to politics (manufactured in, to use Nitricc’s favorite word, Dedebit) is dangerous for Eritrea. The mainstream opposition is loathe to criticize them because it carries years of guilt for the sins of PFDJ, the ELF, EPLF.

      If I were to draw a “Two Year After The Occupation of Eritrea by EPRDF” Eritrean map, there would be an Afarland killil and a Kunamaland killil and these would be like the Somalia’s Jubaland is: a special province designed for the sole purpose of Ethiopian domestic politics.

      saay

      • ghezaehagos

        Dearest Sal,

        Ne’Ae de’A lom’s kab saesaka…!

        You are not giving me straight answer…because honestly I would like to know. Every issue about Ethiopia circles around familiar grounds without resolution. We are devoting our time, money, energy and whatnot towards this struggle and we should at least know it has to account for something. If there are other options, all of us would like to hear.

        Hence, what we should with Ethiopia…

        1. Boycott/Complete disengage from Ethiopia.
        2. Stay in Ethiopia but challenge its policies in respect to Eritrea or statements of its leaders.
        3. Other options you may have (limited/ identify areas?…)
        Thanks,
        Ghezae Hagos
        (At least you are very clear about the Kunama and Afar movements.)

        • tes

          Dear Gezae Hagos,

          I think you are coming weaker and weaker in every comment you display. What rights do you have to challenge policies of Ethiopia no matter what it is. Are you supposed to fight PFDJ or Ethiopia? This is politically and morally gibberish. Your number 3 question is also inconsistency with your previous comment. If you decided Ethiopia as your landing point and if it is right to your mission, I don’t see any relevance here. Whether you will fail or not, according to your comments, is the best option. Number one is as if you are in a wedding stage and asking your friends to to run away.

          I interjected here not to mean anything else but I saw you coming very weak.

          tes

          • ghezaehagos

            Tes,
            It is not about me here. I am giving Sal options of what he has in mind when we think of Eritrean opposition and Ethiopia. So far, it has been general and I am asking point-blank questions. The reason is we know where others stand and I want to know where Sal stands. For example, bayto, ESMNS, EYSC-NA, and most of the Baytos still support working in Ethiopia. EYSC-G doesn’t. EPDP seem to have grievances but nonetheless maintain an office and a base in Ethiopia. EGS support….now, I hope you know where I am going with this. I want to know where Sal stands and why…That is all.
            Since the opposition movement started, the issue of Ethiopia has been around. It will always be there. Now, depending on the new facts added, each side tries to sway the other. I have not seen any new facts recently that can sufficiently point us to this or that. Part of the problem is the so-called ‘dependency’ vs. ‘partnership’ has been mired in generalities which are being interpreted differently.
            Ghezae Hagos

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Gezae,

            I was following your comments and had no problem until now. You mentioned “EGS support”. Could you tell your readers what is EGS? Who are its members and how is it you (and several Ethiopian government officials, by the way) seem to go gaga over EGS which is a five-man group that does nothing but lobby for its five-members. I agree with you that our attitude towards Ethiopian allies should not be a copy of the PFDJ, but on the opposite side, please understand that people like me are at loss why the Ethiopian authorities formulate their policies towards the opposition based on several “handful-men groups” that doesn’t have (negligible) influence or constituency! Do you know that the Ethiopian authorities who work with the opposition consider (or pretend) that EGS is an organization bigger than the UNHCR, if not the UN itself? Such assessments disgust people like me who promoted a good relation with Ethiopia let alone those who never bought into it in the first place. I think your argument would be better served if you stick to what you are sure about. Apart from that, I fully agree with you.

          • ghezaehagos

            Ok Saleh,
            Kemeyke kenika!
            I also totally agree with you that the Ethiopian authorities should by now need to have a good knowledge of who-is-who in the opposition. Again we are here to work, not to score points.
            On EGS itself, I am not sure the current status; but I know and you know the whole issue of its involvement in the Awassa congress and the subsequent controversies. Moreover, recently I read Teklay Abraha was one of the elected intrim coordinators for the upcoming bayto congress. I assumed, hence, EGS is still there. The whole intention is to briefly enumerate groups that support working in Ethiopia and nothing else…
            Ghezae Hagos

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear ghezaehagos,

            Yours and SGL’s posts attracted my attention. People are still discussing about the support of Ethiopia and almost none have brought reasons to oppose the Idea of support. We are suppose to examine opposition’s experience and see who failed (Ethiopians or opposition) although sure PFDJ will move secretly to let opposition miss the chance, but there must be other cases as I can feel it .now Please enlighten us more, what really happened, why opposition didn’t continue in the same speed to get support and go forward? Help me.እዚ እዩ ብሰፊሕ ክረአ ዘለዎ ኣገዳሲ ጉዳይ ::

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Kokeb,
            As the new phrase in town goes : ‘ No deal is better than a bad deal’ seems to be the order of the day. The half full glass type person would probably come to a conclusion that any type of activity in all those countries that will shorten the regime’s grip even by a day would be always advantageous.

          • Amde

            Yoty Topy,

            I see the issue as a difference in diagnosis and prognosis.

            I don’t think there is consensus that Eritrea’s situation is hair-on-fire emergency bad. If there was, the Ethiopian assistance would be a moot point.

            No self respecting person will allow someone else to piss on them. But if they literally have their hair on fire, they would beg to be peed on.

            The refugee situation might be diagnosed as a symptom of a hemmorhaging organism normally understood to be in dire straits. But at the same time it looks like it has evolved into a situation that benefits the Eritrean regime in a number of ways.
            1) It drains out the most ambitious, the most frustrated and the most motivated out of the country where their frustration will be least likely to change to political activism internally.
            2) The regime gets its cut from the human trafficking and organ sales business.
            3) Those that make it end up sending money thereby enriching the state’s coffers with foreign currency remittances.
            4) And lastly, the refugee outflow reduces current and future population and thus the associated administrative burden of government. Imagine being the bureaucrat in charge of budgeting for schools or clinics, deciding on land distribution or staffing the court system. Each of those are problems that need resolution, and a reduced population reduces the problem size.

            Having found ways to thrive from a situation where others would consider bad, the Eritrean regime and state seem to have figured out how to keep going by essentially exporting its people. That is one way of practicing – to paraphrase a saying – “we care about the land – not the people”.

            I suppose if you are primarily interested in the health of the state, then the signs are things are not perfect but they are tolerable for now. If you are primarily interested in the demographic health of the population, then this situation is not tolerable.

            Is it hair-on-fire intolerable? That is the main question.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            It is a hair-on-fire situation and it is the intolerable one. The worst scenario is a state collapse. The best scenario is ending up with a deformed nation. We already are having the first pages of a deformed nation. It takes a lot to bring it back to normal track. The next government will have a lot of lame excuses not to deliver. One excuse will be: what did you get from PFDJ, but I did this and that for every minor improvement. The other will be: what can we do pfdj has left us so much mess to clean up.
            Oh man, you short feeds are full of everything: the beauty, the humor, the hard staff simplified and sweetened…Amde, you got my vote to be the PM of Eritrea. We export our people and we import leaders. We don’t have to be peed on our heads. We have enough time to ask for a decent friendly common interest driven help.
            Hayat

          • Abinet

            Hayat
            That was funny. You know there are eritreans who believe IA is ethiopian? I think we have already exported one . If you are one of the ones coming, I personally roll out the red carpet. Welcome home.

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks Abi, that is so nice of you. IA’s roots are in Ethiopia for sure. Asmarinos some times backbite on his dedebitness. It pains him a lot.

          • Abinet

            Hayat
            You welcome. If you decide to come I will wait for you at the airport with flowers and marching band . The moment you got out of the plane I kneel down and ask you , ” would you be my president?” I hope you don’t disappoint me.
            Seriously though, why do people feel pain or proud which region they come from in this day and age?
            I read here on this very site some people say ” inferiority complex.” These are supposed to be smart people who say this . Who is superior ? Sometimes I feel like we are in 12th century.

          • Kokhob Selam

            ኣረ ተው ! እኔም ልዘጋጅ ?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat: what what, you deceived me 🙂
            I Oppose, Amde, PM for Eritrea, no!!. I want him to stay there in his own country, write books in one of Ethiopia’s languages and then win a noble prize or some prestigious African award and then we can build him a monument in Eritrea and people can say “ab hawelti Amde yeganiyena” 😉

          • Amde

            Oh Hayat,

            That was funny – I am both flattered and terrified. I just want to paraphrase Groucho Marx and say, I don’t want to risk living in a land that would have me as its PM. I might reconsider if you will be President? God knows you got enough balls haha.

            My opinion is that the Eritrea project has been and will continue to be a grotesque curse on the people that inhabit it. The only reason to sustain it is out of deference to the feelings of the many people that lost loved one. That sounds throwing-good-Naqfa-after-bad-Birr kind of illogical, I know. But there you have it. (and that should definitely knock me out of running for the post)

            Amde

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Amde,

            If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing well:)

            What else? There is a document they can sign if they wan to reenter the country upon admitting wrongdoing and paying fines, adding new dimension to the concept of “circle of life.”

          • Amde

            Hi Yoty,

            Wow – Circle of life indeed. I did not know about that. Now if only they stopped the shoot-to-kill policy, that would maximize the volume of product churning through.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            Are you kidding? still your anger hasn’t subsided against EGS yet? That is sad, you didn’t move on. But, that is the nature of Eritrean politics anyway. Instead of fighting the issue at hand we spent fighting each other. The Eritrean politics has never elevated from personality politics to issue-oriented debate. So you are saying EGS is a five-man group, as if you know the details of EGS members. Good for you. But your statement doesn’t have an iota of truth. I will not go beyond that, it isn’t worth to debate about EGS as you always do, if its name somehow pops up. We have the enemy of Eritrean people, and it is better to focus on the bigger issue. It isn’t healthy for you anytime the name EGS comes up, to jump and discredit it. At any rate EGS will live as civic organization not in the opposition camp, but also in the future democratic Eritrea as civic organization to do its civic duty. I will assure you that, It will not disappear, but will continue as a vibrant civic organization to contribute to the democratization of Eritrean politics. Abu Saleh, why do you bring EGS, knowing that we will clash each other as we did in the past. Please give me peace and to the organization, I am part with. That is my simple demand to you. Why do we fight “a dog fight” on EGS.

          • Saleh Johar

            My dear friend Amanuel,

            You know me, when someone pushes the wrong buttons, I have to comment. And if I feel I have something to say about it, then I will say it. Your comment, challenging me, “as if you know the truth…” is such a button that I don’t like. Please don’t jump on me whenever I comment about such stuff.

            Let’s see my position (as defined by you) and your position. You claim that I commented because my anger has “not subsided.” It is not anger Amanuel. I am rarely angry. I substitute “anger” for engagement. All the stuff I write about doesn’t mean it is because I am angry at what I write about. That is what I do, Amanuel. I write.

            The uninitiated (and anyone who might have forgotten) might be wondering. I will explain briefly:

            I formed EGS, (with EPF Dallas Fortworth). We toiled alone for two years before we prepared the platform and invited other, including you. It was our toil, our money and our plans that established EGS. You trying to depict me as ignorant about the very entity I created before it was usurped and mutilated to serve egos, was not a nice move Amanuel. I as a founder, and the task force invited you and others to be part of EGS. Please don’t expect anyone to swallow your claim that you know more about it. It is outrageously bad to hijacking of the efforts of others; that is the cause of all the splits and fragmentations within the opposition. THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PREDICAMENT, if you will. Nothing else.

            Please forget about me for a moment. Do you feel comfortable not recognizing a founder of an entity you defending? And then what? You know it, but let me state the facts. I made the logo your group is using. I paid for the domain name and hosting of the website until it was stolen. I paid for the diplomatic campaign, sending 3 pound of personally signed petition papers to 15 foreign ministries all over the world. Myself representing awate.com, and Semere, representing EPF Dallas made a short list and invited everyone to be part of the now-crippled entity.

            Amanuel, the boys at the helm can sell the claimed greatness of EGS and “democratic credentials” to Ethiopian authorities, but I just chuckle at that. If the boys at EGS stayed within the confines of a civil society, I wouldn’t have a problem because such entities are a dozen a dime. But you know… you know very well, a civil society doesn’t engage in squabbles with political entities over positions in a political organization like what happened in Hawassa.

            A “civil society” doesn’t negotiate on power sharing with organized political parties. Importantly, it can’t be part of schemes to undermine the opposition. In short, what you consider a civil society it is not so, it is a camouflaged lobby group serving a certain strand of political interest. The steering wheel of the stolen product and the way it is maneuvering over the last few years (and right now) testify to that. I hope this will be the end of our discussion on this topic–I do not wish it to be ugly like a few times before. I promise I will resist the urge to say more. Please Emma Arkey, I need your help here.

          • Ted

            “Please give me peace and to the organization, I am part with.”
            Amanuel.Of course saleh is telling Eritreans EGS is a sour grape. And you, don’t be greedy, learn to share with your brother Saleh(“me who promoted a good relation with Ethiopia”) what ever you get from TPLF. You can’t have all the cakes to yourself- or can you? After all, it is a dog- eat -dog world.

        • saay7

          Selamat kbur Ato Ghezae:

          I thought I had:)

          Isn’t the question “what should we let Ethiopia do with us” as opposed to “what we should with Ethiopia”? Hrai Ykhunelka. (I am assuming Ethiopia is shorthand for Ethiopian government ember Ethiopia de’a, using the Dawit Principle (where is he by the way) it is my third country:))

          1. No, we should not boycott/completely disengage from Ethiopia.
          2. Again, I am realistic. I would not demand that Eritreans who depend on the kindness of the host country for their livelihood would “challenge its policies.” This is like me asking Eritreans in Saudi Arabia or Sudan to challenge the policies of Saudi Arabia or Sudan.
          3. Other options, meliu:

          a. accept the Ethiopian government for what it is/does, not what it says. And what it is is government that manages despotism better than our homegrown one;
          b. accept that Ethiopian government officials actually think they know what is good for Eritrea better than us Eritreans. Their government officials told you so;
          c. accept that to many of your compatriots in Eritrea, the Ethiopian government bled them to death because, in the words of the other truth-teller at this forum (Abinet), bleeding us is how it baptized itself in Ethiopian nationalism.
          d. Accept that the claim that Ethiopia’s proximity to Eritrea gives you organizational prowess because those who are in Ethiopia have no higher organizational success rate than those who are in the West;
          e. Accept that an Ethiopia-based Eritrean opposition relies on Ethiopia for its very survival and because it is a police state with massive eavesdropping investment, Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia are not even able to speak freely (unlike the ones in the Bay Area:)
          f. Evaluate what Ethiopia has done and is doing with its other neighbor, Somalia.
          ….
          Willing kwsKhelka if necessary:)

          saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Hi Sal,

            Kemey hadirka!
            The devil is in details…

            Ok at least we ascertained you don’t want the opposition to boycott in Ethiopia. You want more independent decision-making power for it and you also advised us/the opposition to look Ethiopia (Ethiopian leaders) in askance.
            If possible, if you can develop the do-s and don’t-s as detailed as possible, it would be hugely appreciated. Because as I say the debate doesn’t advance any far when it comes to the details; and hence we end up debating dependency vs. partnership;
            In our part…emo nabey kinkyed tdeleyuna…amarxi entlo habruna…
            and in your part, reesu zkeale nexa sefih tirnafe keytemesrete walahanti kingebr ayekealn iyu….
            and we go ok…hiray zihashe mesritu/wey nimesr’t….etc…
            I assure you from my assessment most of us are merely willing to hasten the enemy of everything Eritrean, the downfall of Isais regime as it is the only culprit. The rest is negotiable and we can give each other wide berth and infinite goodwill.
            Ghezae Hagos

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            Consider the first sentence in your posting (“the devil is in the details”) and the first sentence in the last paragraph (“I assure you from my assessment most of us are merely willing to hasten…the downfall of Isaias regime.”) It appears to me that it is your full-speed-ahead never-mind-the devil in the details of “the downfall of Isaias regime” that has gotten the Silent Majority* to treat the opposition as Unserious.

            The do-s and don’t-s with respect to Ethiopia are fairly easy to do, once you come up with an honest, historical, reality-based preamble of the Ethiopian government vis-a-vis Eritrea. That will be my next Eyo geza, which I will submit for your review.

            saay

            * Are you familiar with the expression “kab rebi yfeleT, kerewrew yselT”? An odd relative of mine used to say it; maybe it was just her thing. Since that is borderline risqué, here is one from Islamic tradition as narrated by At-Tirmidhi:

            BEGIN QUOTE

            One day Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it and he asked the Bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?” The Bedouin answered:

            “I put my trust in Allah.”

            The Prophet then said:

            “Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah”

            END QUOTE

            My preamble will be about how to tie the camel:)

            saay

  • ‘Gheteb

    Ghezae, our man in Weyaneland,

    Man, you have really disappointed me here. I ain’t mocking “our neighbors”, er, the accent of the denizens of your base nor have I used any vulgarity here. I thought that you will have at least an inkling about your partners in your fight against PFDJ. You have slid on banana peel and you have taken a sad pratfall here, buddy.

    No those are not my words nor do I have the ability to mock your partners accent that you are going so touchy-feely about here. Let this serve you as an introduction, as a primer, to your partners that you seem to be going head over heels to ingratiate and hopefully curry some favors.

    Ghezae, those are lyrics taken verbatim from one of Weyane’s song. And now you want to make me look like I am being insensitive. Man, how low are you willing to go to chalk up some brownie points here????

    You say I am PFDJ,Ghezae? Well, let me tell you that in defense of Eritrea and in all endeavors that aim to preserve Eritrea’s sovereignty and all efforts that is geared in foiling Weyanes evil and nefarious agendas, I am PFDJ, if and only if, that PFDJ is aligned to do the same.

    What I am not and will never be is this: I won’t be shilling for, your partners where you are based, the detestably recreant Weyanes!

     

     

     

     

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEY5o3PqCWA

  • Olana

    Dear derebew
    The last paragraph of your comment is what I mean. Besides we should not deny them non-military support when they ask like what we are doing now with the refugees.
    Olana

  • ‘Gheteb

    ‘To Be Or Not To Be’ In Weyane’s Ethiopia

    First, I finally completed reading SAAY’s chef-d’oeuvre and I gotta admit that it was delectably ‘yummy yummy’. Indeed a tour de force that SAAY’s readership are accustomed to from this nonpareil Eritrean writer. Well, again, many thanks SAAY.

    It seems that there is this burning question about the relations of the Eritrean opposition groups with Weyane’s Ethiopia that may need some sort of parsing and a dexterous post-mortem. There are three cadavers [ tagged as A, B and C] on which this task was performed on and here they are in display.

    A) Person XY: A Solipsist Extraordinaire

    This Person lives in his/her own world where the person thinks that only Person XY has reality or can be known and verified. Truth and reality are only known and can only be known by Person XY and no one else. The Eritrean reality and objective conditions are only known by Person XY and every one else does not know even a soupson of truth. Hence anyone and everyone need to shut up and listen to the sole possessor and owner of truth. The following are what Person XY wants eveyone to accept as the truth without even raising nary a peep of an objection:

    1) The condition in Eritrea is so godawful, dire, wretched, appaling, apocalyptic that a civil war is imminent and it is just around the corner. So, all you cretin ding-dongs who call yourself Eritreans, you better open your ears, as I, Person XY, as the ‘sibyl’ of civil war, is telling you that you better do # 2, if you are going to relieve the Eritrean people from the utter immiseration that they find themselves in.

    2) Ethiopia should inavde Eritrea forthwith and eveything after that will be copacetic. Well, to make it more palatable and salve that Eritrean ego, let us do it this way. Just invite us, umm, invite Ethiopia to invade your country, and thereby you half-wit Eritreans can avert an impending civil war that is looming large and hovering over our, umm, your country.

    3) You see, Ethiopia under the wise leadership of the Weyane is lifting its people out of poverty. It has achieved miracles and can lend you a helping hand. Let me aslo tell you this that Ethiopia has become, whether you like it or not and all facts be damned, an Earthly Eden. You better swallow that how bitter that pill may be.

    4) Person XY is nothing if not the consummate avatar of Weyaneism -cum- Abessinian fundamentalism. Person XY has ‘out-Selomeied” Selomie Tadesse as the face and spokesperson of Weyane-led Ethiopia. Person- XY will readily lock horn against anybody who raises issues about the Weyanes or questions their motives and intentions. Surely and pretty soon, Person X would have fought and made enemies with virtually everyone in Person XY effort to “out-Weyane” anyone. So, you may be saying the drama about Person XY is going to end and no more entertainment. Please, don’t despair as I can assure you that there will be a spat (fight) between Person XY and the Shadow (Tsilalot) of Person XY. That dialogue ( technically, a monologue) is coming to you courtesy of ‘Gheteb.

    B) Ghezae Hagos Berhe Won’t Say It

    This man is simply hilarious and funny like no one I have ever seen. Here he is telling everyone that “we” as an opposition group have decided to take Ethiopia as “our” partner and Mr. Berhe wants and dreams to remain hogtied to the Weyanes till that time Ethiopia is going to tell them to pack and leave. Who does this person represent anyways? Is he the spokesperson,er, the lawyer of those opposition groups stationed in Ethiopia? He didn’ say, but this galoot reminds me of a character in a play titled “Aguagudom”, I guess it was in Act V. The character’s name is “Lewah Zega”. This character happened upon a demonstration that was held in Missiam, Eritrea in remembrance of a certain incident and there were a lot of people who partook in that demonstration. Lewah Zega along with a couple of guys and a goat was standing not far from the venue of the demonstration and he and his group were singing a cappella followed by the goat’s bleatings. Here is the lyrics as it appears in that paly, “Aguagudom” that was published in 2011-12 at awate.com

    Aab Dendes Ruba Tekeze ( By the Rivers Of Tekeze)
    NebaEna DeA Tiz Eluna ( Oh, we wept as we remembered)
    Nay EiDaga Arbi Injera Mis Awaze ( The Injera with Awaze of ‘Friday’s Market)

    Well, that was written some three years ago. Do you see any resemblance or can you draw a parallel here? I will leave that to the reader.

    C) Abay Tsehaye wispers on T kifle’s ears

    Tell them that like I told them in 1999 when we invaded Hamashen, Meret ShaeWiya, that we will break their spine and now will invade them at the right time when we can find another bogus casus belli such as Eritrea being a failed state. I think Weyane-land and its denizens must be living in a cocoon which is hermetically sealed that they are not hearing that the Weyane-led Ethiopia may soon be a failed state. But, we are witnessing that in Weyane-land epistemetic closure is the norm and I will touch on that some other time.

    • ‘Gheteb

      corrigendum:
      Please read as epistemic instead of “epistemetic” in the last sentence of the post.

    • T. Kifle

      ኣብ ፈረስ ሓሶት ዝዕንድር ሰብ። ንምንታይ ሃያት ኣብ ዝበለቶ ተመስሪትካ ዘይትካታዕ ? ኢትዮጵያዊ ሓገዝ ኣይንደሊን ምባል ነውሪ የብሉን። ሓገዝ ዝምስረት ኣብ ድልየት ተሓጋዛይ ስለዝኾነ። ክትሕገዝ ንዘይምድላይ ዋላ ሓንቲ ምኽንያት ኣየድልየካን። ናትካ ግን ፈጢጡ። ከም “ብብርኩ ዘተንፍስ መንእሰይ” ህንጥው ህንጥው ተብዝሕ ኣለኻ። መንደራጉሕ ቓላትካ ንሓቂ ክሽፍኑ ወይ ከኣ ሓዱሽ ሓቂ ክፈጥሩ ዝኽእሉ ኣይኮኑን። “ካብናያ ዝጎይያስ ንዕብዳን” በለት ማንቲለ። ክእለት ብርዒ ሳልሕ የኑስ እኳ ዛጊድ ዝወጸቶ ዓቐብ-ሓቂ የለን። ሓንቲ ነገር ግን ክዕዘብ ክኢለ። ከምቱ ሳልሕ ዩኑስ ክገልፀካ ዝፈተነ “ኢንሳይክሎፒድያ ገድሊ ኤርትራ” ከምዘይኮንካ። መንደራጉሕ ቓላትካ ግን ዘፍርሖ ሰብ ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን። ሃያት ብመርትዖታት ክትሙግታ ኣይደለኻን ስለምንታይሲ ስለዘይትኽእል። ከማኻ ብስምዒት ተደፋፊኣ ናብ በለካን ለኽዐካን ክትኣቱ ኣይመረጸትን። እኑፍ ኣፀሓህፋኻ ኣስተኻኺልካ ንሳ እትጠልቦ ዘላ ሓገዝ ንመፃኢት ኤርትራ ዘኸትሎ ሳዕቤን ክተረድእ ፈትን። መዐቅንታትካ እዛ እምባይ መን ይወርሳ ዓይነት እንተኾይኑ እሞ ናይማን ንወያነ ክምቲ እትጽሕፎ ጌርካ ትምዝኖ እንተኾይንካ ኣብ ክርዓት ዓወተ ምጽሓፍ ገዲፍካ ብመረብ ሸነኽ ቅልቅል በል።

      • selam

        Dear T.Kifle
        I find it very hard to understand your extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of your feelings. I think you failed to know the Eritrean people. why will you T.kifle wake up in the morning and come to awate.com with your full of ego. We in Eritrea does n’t have any person whose birth certificate is an apology from the condom industry . We are who we are and remain to hold on that.

        • T. Kifle

          Chill out dear,

          you are a chicken recently hutched out of the incubators of PFDJ. You inherited vulgarity and hatred as legacy of your lunatic man. lucky you it seems you have an opinion everywhere. enjoy your state of self-imposed ignorance.

          • selam

            You forget the chicken your father was keeping in Eritrea not long time ago. Yet thanks to your thief’s , you are able to speak behined key board to tell us every thing about your so called hayat .
            Good for me , yet you come here telling us your weyane propaganda machine , would not it be nice if you lecture in your tigraionline to be more fair to your time.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Let me tell you this about Selam and you better remember it and keep it in one of your hearts ( out of the so many hearts that you and your types are known to possess). Selam is a tigress ( literally and figuratively). She is the quintessential Eritrean tigress that has foiled all of your detestable Weyane’s schemes and agendas. And, she will thwart and stymie all the nefarious agendas that you and your Weyane have been hatching against Eritrea and its people. Only a vile thug like you would call Selam “ignorant”, but then again, I shouldn’t be surprised by someone who is a denizen of the very hutch of ignorance. You don’t seem to know the difference between “hatch” and “hutch” and here you are insulting the Eritrean tigress Selam as ignorant. I told you earlier that in your Weyane-land epistemic closure has become so prevalent that you are shamelessly parading your ignorance here. As if that is not enough, you have the temerity to insult Selam as ignorant. Shame! Shame!…. Well, who am I kidding here. The likes of T.Kifle can’t even recognize ‘shame’ even if it was going to smack them in their faces!

          • selam

            Dear Gheteb

            It is that way , it is quite amusing , People are asking us to degrade every thing about Eritrea for a reason that has nothing to do with Eritrea. They have complete ignorance about our people.
            They have zero knowledge the Eritrean people history , they just want to use THE current situation to explain us.And what surprised me more is that there are Eritreans the ESHI GOYTAY people who are just going down to a tunnel that is full of weyane and nothing for the Eritrean people.

        • selam

          come on what did i say ? You people are banning every word on earth . what shall i write then , what was the word , you did not accept.

      • ‘Gheteb

        ኣታዮ ኣይተ ተ/ ክፍለ

        በስመ ኣብ ወልደ መንፈስ ቁዱስ
        ነዛ ራድዮስ ክቼዳ ደልዩ አዚ ሰብአይ
        ኣቤት:ኣቤት: ኣቤት: ኣቤት
        ኣታ ነዚ ገዲፉ ግዳ ንፋሺስትነት ወያነ ኣይምተናሰሓሉን

        ሓዙለይ ኣታ ያሓዙለይ
        ሓዙላተይ ማ ያሓዙለይ
        አቲ ከቦሮ ማታ ያሓዙለይ
        ክጸዊ ናይ ልበይ

        ብዘይ ምሕረት ቕተል ንዝኽነ ፍጡር
        ብዘይ ገለ ኣውሓሶ ሓቒ ንኽምስል
        ወለከ ሰብኣይ ዓቢዱ
        ዓቅሊ ጽበት ዘይገብሮ ነይብሉ
        ኣታ ነዚ ፈሊጡ ድዩ ድማ ላለ አና ለሉ
        ኣቱም ነዚ ፈሊጡ ድዩ ላለ አና ለሉ
        ዓርከይ ነዚ ፈሊጡ ድዩ ላለ አና ለሉ
        ሳንዳይ ነዚ ፈሊጡ ድዩ ላለ አና ለሉ ::

        ካብ ዝብኢ ዶ ይርከብ ዓጽሚ
        ከውሒ ዶ ይንድድ ብሓዊ
        ኣታ ፍትሒ ኣይትድለ ካብ ወይንቲ
        ግርም እባ ባኣፍ ቀልዲ

        • Hayat Adem

          Gheteb, trying to mock on the tegaru’s slung of TigrigNa! now I see you well. I see your true colors. you can’t go a mile pretending to be a cool guy, a man of ideas, a man who understands Occam etc… welcome to your niche!!! People who were cheering you must have their heads down now. Disgraced and cheap!

          • Gonbel

            Hayat,
            I hope to see your apology to Gheteb and readers about your insinuation, at the very least similar to the partial apology of Ghezae!

        • ghezaehagos

          Gheteb,
          Ideally, this post should be deleted because of its vulgarity and demeaning of others. But we need it. While thousands of the youth were perishing to keep the ego of the tyrant alive, some were chanting ‘woyanena-enatrere-dubay-atyu.’ They thought they were mocking ‘xerfi-emo-zgedefnalu yeblnan’ Woyane army; time showed us they were indeed mocking the senseless deaths of their own innocent citizens…the thousands of them.
          Now, 15 years, you, graduate student of the pfdj school of vulgarity, are still mocking your neighbor’s language, which incidentally/coincidentally is ALSO YOURS. Your words could be sophisticated; but your are still naked. You learnt nothing. Time showed us people like you got no respect even to your own LANGUAGE and you talk of a nation!
          Ghezae Hagos

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ghezae, our man in Weyaneland,

            Man, you have really disappointed me here. I ain’t mocking “our neighbors”, er, the accent of the denizens of your base nor have I used any vulgarity here. I thought that you will have at least an inkling about your partners in your fight against PFDJ. You have slid on banana peel and you have taken a sad pratfall here, buddy.

            No those are not my words nor do I have the ability to mock your partners accent that you are going so touchy-feely about here. Let this serve you as an introduction, as a primer, to your partners that you seem to be going head over heels to ingratiate and hopefully curry some favors.

            Ghezae, those are lyrics taken verbatim from one of Weyane’s song. And now you want to make me look like I am being insensitive. Man, how low are you willing to go to chalk up some brownie points here????

            You say I am PFDJ,Ghezae? Well, let me tell you that in defense of Eritrea and in all endeavors that aim to preserve Eritrea’s sovereignty and all efforts that is geared in foiling Weyanes evil and nefarious agendas, I am PFDJ, if and only if, that PFDJ is aligned to do the same.

            What I am not and will never be is this: I won’t be shilling for, your partners where you are based, the detestably recreant Weyanes!

          • ‘Gheteb
          • ghezaehagos

            Gheteb,

            Of course, you are a pfdj man…shitaraka dew’r nebsi! Aytihferelu…lemidnakum ina…!
            You see I am extremely proud and honored to represent the selfless and the brave patriots who dedicated their lives to struggle in Ethiopia in spite of everything (when few care about the nation and overwhelming majority of Eritreans don’t care/or gave up on Eritrea; when ‘dag’m gedli’ is an improbable if not impossible item in our psyche (d’tesewee entay rekibu..) mentality; when the other well-meaning prioritizes the ‘family-job’ first while doing part-time activism; and when lastly Ethiopia itself is known to be not the best venue, but a better option..yet they went nonetheless. Hence, as one can see, the brave souls who went to Ethiopia to struggle for democracy and rule of law in Eritrea are second to none in my mind.

            Now, I will heed to your words, (I am trying to resist a chuckle here) ONLY IF YOU HEED TO MINE…You said, “you that in defense of Eritrea and in all endeavors that aim to preserve Eritrea’s sovereignty and all efforts that is geared in foiling Weyanes evil and nefarious agendas, I am PFDJ…” sey-kota! seb ab hawi keeatu beal niska kea ‘weyane..weyane’ ab wuhus meriet…..no one is fool anymore buddy; 3,-4,000 youth is choosing the borders; to CROSS IT NOT TO GUARD OR FIGHT FOR IT.
            You see, pfdj has a lot foot soldiers doing the easiest job in diaspora. What your insane boss needs is foot soldiers in the real theatre, the Fronts. So, do the right thing by your bravado: One way ticker to Asmara and one truck trip to the fronts…you know your boss said, ‘bhayli ztewesde meriet bhayli iyu zimles..’ emo, eneho plane, eneho semay…!
            Ghezae Hagos
            P.s.:- you can pick any fronts you like. If I am, I pick the mereb-setit for you. You know the reasons…

          • ‘Gheteb

            No, Ghezae,
            Don’t peel off on a tangent here. No way, our man in Weyaneland. First, did you watch the embedded video? Now, tell me who is mocking who here? First do that and then we will see who did the fighting in Eritrea and who are/were the beneficiaries???

          • ghezaehagos

            Ok, hiray…! so you quoted it from the song and you didn’t actually mock the tigray slung here. And for that my apologies. When you started with the mocking tone, ‘Atayo ayte kifle’, it sure sounded like one; and the fact that you failed acknowledge the source, we thought , naturally they were yours…

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ghezae,
            Who is this “we” that you are so INURED in uttering a dime a dozen here? Let’s get real here. I know that I am dealing with one and only one person who is named Ghezae Hagos Berhe and no one else? I am really at a loss here by your use of the plural pronoun “WE” which to me means more than one person. You have used it when you averred that “WE” have decided Ethiopia to be our partner and base ourselves in Ethiopia. Mind some explication, Ghezae?
            Second, you are saying that ‘Gheteb is PFDJ? I want a clear answer from you on what you have based your conclusion on? And, if you can provide any supporting facts?

          • sara

            Mr. hagos if you are a man have the gut, simple— just apologize , not only to gheteb but to all of us who are here following the debate, because by default it sounds like we also support that stereotyping against the other party which we don’t!

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb; you will be attacked my Eshi-Goytay crowd no matter what you say about Tigryans. On their retarded mind; they are standing on higher moral ground when they attack people like but in reality they are what we are witnessing. Virus!
            Don’t waste your time. I mean can carry a convo with people welling to invade their country; welling their mothers to be rapped; welling their people to be killed. I mean how could you? Don’t waste your time.
            When they are okay and happy the filthy Weyane to rape their mothers; it tells you how sick and cowards they are. stop it, Gheteb.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Nitricc,
            You are right for I know who I am dealing with, but let me say the following:
            1) I wrote a post in English and the Weyane cadre T.Kifle responded in Tigrigna
            2) I responded in Tigrigna taking the lyrics from one of Weyane song.
            3) The usual SHADY characters came after one another to score some emotional points. I told them, at least for the benefit of those who don’t know me and visit this Forum, that it ain’t so.
            4) I posted the video to expose and lay to waste their cheap and utterly absurd accusations.
            Nitricc, that is all to it.

          • Hope

            Atorney Ghezae Hagos,
            Swallow the bitter truth about Weyane and its crooked and evil intentions and actions.
            Give me a single evidence about the TPLF’s real/honest good intentions and actions thus far.towards Eritrea and Eritreans based on FACTUAL History,not based on lip service…honey covered erre talk.

    • ghezaehagos

      Ghetseb,

      Ah! You are so 2010!

      You wrote, “( Oh, we wept as we remembered…”) d’o beleka! Indeed, time has a surprise for everyone…

      This is 2015…and hence

      “…The head of the Eritrean Consulate in Toronto has been ordered to leave Canada in the wake of reports that said Semere Ghebremariam O. Micael has been involved in soliciting a “diaspora tax” from Eritreans in Canada.

      Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird issued a news release Wednesday that said he has taken steps to expel Micael and he must leave by noon ET on June 5..” (2013.) (CBC news)
      “…..Canada made history,” said a jubilant Ghezae Hagos on Friday.

      Aytesewah’do!….
      Ghezae Hagos.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ghezae,
        What does that got to do with your decision to take Ethiopia as your partner and to base your opposition group in Ethiopia? I hope you are not telling me that the Canadian Government decided to expel the Eritrean Consul, Mr. Semere because of your ” by the rivers of Tekeze song”. I am telling you that song got nothing to do with international relations. At least for me, I see it as capturing this insatiable desire of those Eritrean opposition groups that want to go to Ethiopia and base themselves while enjoying all the food that Ethiopia can provide them with?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Gheteb,

          I don’t expect “apolitical argument” from you. Be real when you argue, politics is not about eating and enjoying food. Challenge Ghezae about the merits/demerits of stationing the opposition in Ethiopia, the closest to the fight against the regime.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Sir,
            First familiarize and inform yourself on some background information. Go back and read the play and do some due diligence. As your wont, you can’t help but render your officious advice here. You have indeed become a nuisance, at least to me. Please, get off your high horse and at least go back and check the background information as the play mentioned in the post and then come back to render all your sententious lecturing that whether ‘Gheteb should discuss political or “apolitical arguments”.

          • sara

            Dear Mr. Gheteb, we were ok until you showed up in this forum, we were watching/ movies/ without knowing the background of the actors it was like wow what is this , is this for real true story no..no.. ,you know how we eritreans like movies specially those which are artistic with non violent plots. thanks to you, now we know who is who that all the players are kind of ARAGOOSE players it will be difficult to have the same interest i had before you showed up.

          • Mizan

            Sara, I know exactly what you are saying. But in the end, what can we do? It is still worth visiting the website because there is still quite a bit of intellectual discussion.

            But I really hate it when some people think that they are superior to the rest of us. I am waiting to get very badly pissed off and then I will let it all out.

          • sara

            Mr. mizan… honest..honest., i don’t think anyone will understand what i meant except someone who has been to egypt and she/he has eaten “molokheya bel araneb” or the kosheree.
            have you been to maser?

          • Mizan

            I have had molokhiya. Not bad. But I think it has a lot of fiber. When I came to the US a couple decades ago (Aeroflot, that was all I could afford), it stopped by Cairo. That is as much as I have been to Egypt but that is probably better than 99% of the world population. BTW, how do you know it is a Mr. Mizan?

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Mizan,

            Last time when Aman was suggesting a nick-name for you you told him it is more feminine. You remember. Sorry, for interrupting your chat. I don’t mean to disturb. It is because I liked your (both) chat.

          • Mizan

            Rahwa T, brilliant. I was testing sara to see if she was paying attention (as you certainly were) at the Awate University, as they call it. Even if tuition is free, you know, it consumes a lot of time.

          • sara

            oh.. o, you have been here and saying a lot that i think will define you as Mr. M or G ,
            you see even sis, rahwa has been following you (i think you they call it stalking in amrika and is illegal) , no… you are not that young..
            just joking.

          • Mizan

            Okay, I like it. I am getting all the attention I need.

          • Hope

            Ahlen Ya Gheteb,
            I re-endorse you as my second Cousin along with/ after SAAY and Mahmouday…
            As I said it before,do not stop until you finish the finish line!

            Prof Cousin Saleh A A Younis,

            Again,kudos to you and am waiting to read and to buy the first 100 books of your upcoming Thesis about the Eritrean Crisis and its Solutions!
            As to your comment about my EPDP,yes,I agree,it is Independent but ineffective–but struggling to be effective and efficient.
            But ,again, still the better OPTION thus far for Eritrea!
            If you and Ustaz Saleh Johar reconcile with the EPDP Leadership and take the lead,I guarantee you that the EPDP will Lead the lead and will be the Perfect Alternative for Eritrea……as the ELL and eventhe main stream EDA Factions will automatically join the EPDP….and the sturggle will be stronger and expedite the real change in Eritrea and the demise of the PFDJ Gang, sooner than we expect it.
            Come on Salehs,you can do it for Eritrea’s sake.
            Semere Habte-Mariam,please push for the “behind the scene reconciliation”–for Eritrea’s sake.

  • Ted

    Abinet, i didn’t call you a cow. You took it out of context to win an argument. “it takes a genius to milk 90 million cows.” It was the response to your comment – Eritreans milked Ethiopia up until TPLF made them pack and leave-. You presented Ethiopia as a cow, not me. I hope TPLF is gentle on your tits, sore yet.

    • Abinet

      Ted
      Still sore because you were biting while milking.

  • Ted

    Saay, The Chef’s special famously known to be avoided, thank you for the disclaimer, was delicious; fresh and savory with balanced nutrition. Thank you, full and half bill, no haggling. You were wrong, alright. Hilary Clinton (the supreme leader of Libya falling) once said, actually several times( since it is the only defense she has for her belligerent interference in Libiya) ” Democracy takes time”. How Democracy, we all love to love, came about to the current civilized nations needs to be separately viewed by us ( the third world countries) as it has its own spirit tailored for individual culture. I say this because the ” opposition”, obsessed with the concept, has came up with their own menu for Eritreans one cooked in Ethiopia , the other fried in the Western kitchen. One has to think like a business person when the the restaurant is not making money for 15 years. Could it be because the Chef is hardheaded can’t bother to open the comment box. Could it be they import ingredients so exotic culturally unpalatable to the clients. Could it be because the restaurant lack common curtsy to treat its clients with respect. As i see it now, they need more than “Cheif Gordon Ramsey-kitchen nightmare” to save their failing restaurant.
    I hope they listen and start cooking edible food for Eritreans waiting for so long to be served. ELL and Eshigoytay bayto need to change their ways and unchain themselves from their handlers. Empower the people, the rest is up to them.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      salam Ted

      “One has to think like a business person when the the restaurant is not making money for 15 years. Could it be because the Chef is hardheaded can’t bother to open the comment box. Could it be they import ingredients so exotic culturally unpalatable to the clients. Could it be because the restaurant lack common curtsy to treat its clients with respect.”
      Very true, thanks.

      • Ted

        Mahamud, No, thank you. I just put it in the restaurant scene what you have been saying.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    I am one of Eritrean Ethiopian origin who lives in North America.
    But what I do not and can not understand is that why is that many
    people in Eritrea and/or Ethiopia do not know their origins,history
    and even the politics of the past and recent governments of their
    states or country.
    I have seen many people from that region have only distorted
    understandings of the history and politics of the people and the
    countrys.
    For example there are many who do not properly understand the
    three Ethnic stock origins of the people of Ethiopia.
    Historically, the Ethiopian peoples came about from three ethnic
    stocks : The Erythreans in the North; The Abyssinians in the South west
    and the Galla of the south east.
    1. The people called Erythrean peoples are the Tigre, Tigrigna and Amhara
    and the land covers the former provinces of Eritrea, Semien& Gondar and
    Aussa & Wallo………roughly the former Italian East Africa colony.
    ( The have got the name Erythrean because of their ethnic and language
    origins from the Semetic peoples)
    2. The Abyssinian stock peoples are the Hamitic Oromos to the southwest of
    Erythrea and includes the Hadiyas,Sidamas and wolaytas and covers the land
    area of former provinces of Wallaga, Shewa, Sidamo and Jimma (kaffa+ GamuGofa).
    3. The Gallas who some think extensions from Somalia is that third stock which includes
    the Afars, Karrayus, Arsi, Boranna and Yiffats and covers the land of former Sout Wallo,
    Eastern Shewa, Haraar ( Yerer), and Arsi and Bale provinces.
    And due to the interactions of centruies between them some new smaller Ethnic Nationalities
    are formed as a result. Example is the Nubians as a result of the Semitic and Hamitic racial
    interactions between the Erythrean and Abyssinian peoples cultures. Similarily the Rayya or
    Rayyans who formed as a result of Erythrean and Galla peoples of Somali origins in the SE.
    So it seems that the name Erythrean peoples covers not only present day Eritrea proper but
    extends to lake Tsana in the SW and Awash river in the SE. So the name covers not only Tigres
    and Tigrignas of the north but also the Amharas to their SW (Simien&Gondar) and the Rayyas
    to the SE Wallo & Yiffat/Shewa).
    So when Italians came they only reduced it to Tigre and Some Tigrignas homeland due to their
    fear of African peoples and making bad deal and accept any setllement of coastal Land. The
    defeat at Adwa forced them to accept any deal to consolidate their hold to the coast only. The
    same thing with Menilik – he accepted unfair deal to keep and protect his title of Negusse-Negasti
    over other rivals or contenders at the expence of Ethiopia.
    But the degree of Semetism to their own identity of the Erythrean peoples :
    1. Tigre = 80%
    2. Tigrenna = 60%
    3. Amhara = 39 % & Rayya = 39%

  • Mizan

    Teweldino, that’s was classic. I love it. Just as SGJ, I hope you can do a weekly on this. I would look forward to it every week. Anyway, my ‘for a second’ was born from how teenagers say ‘I haven’t seen you in a minute’ meaning in a while. Glad you found it humorous.

  • Saleh Johar

    Teweldino, thank you… I badly needed the laugh. Why don’t you do weekly digest and present it in even harsher way (of course in a humorous way) as a sort of reminder for us to behave 🙂

    • teweldino

      Hi Ato Saleh,

      Oh, I thought you were going to place me on the naughty corner for stopping people from serious discussions! Thanks for the offer. I will do my best to do a weekly satirical harvest in the future.

      Regards,

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Mr. Johar,
      .
      I am not sure if that is a good idea, Mr. Johar. You know what people do to get on T.V. Everything. If there is incentive to get on Mr. Teweldino’s weekly top 10 list, we will all get crazy on you every day and then what.
      .
      In my humble opinion,
      .
      K.H

  • teweldino

    I found few more while my post is approved by the bosses upstairs. Ok. Our next act is Ato T Kifle:

    “What’s democracy got to do with it?” [ (I guess he’s missing Miss Long Legs) wondering why awatistas are refusing to ask for Ethiopia’s help in removing Ato Issayas citing lack of democracy in Ethiopia. He made it clear there will not be any help if and when they agree to seek support though]

    Next is Saay:

    “I only read that document (Nehnanan Elamanan) once a decade” [on refusing Tafla’s insistence on giving him the page and paragraph number of a quote he used in his article – (ok, not the funniest line on today’s standard but I think it is really funny on a normal day)]

    Next is Kokeb Selam:

    “”ገድሊ ተላሊ እሞ ተፈላሊ” we will have to accept this painful truth and I will always love you” [when breaking up with Tes – this is actually sad! I’m listening to Whitney Houston’s “I will always love you” song. Tes is still saying we can work through this etc etc but I knew this was coming when KS said something profound the other day. ]

    But Tes quickly showed a brave face and said:

    “I want to remind you before you depart. “I will never live in the past but I will learn from it” The good thing is, you lost the truck when you can’t catch-up more on the progress. The energy I have will not accomodate you to tell you franckly” [Now, I have to change music. My first choice was Tekle tesfazgi’s N’b’AaT Temegibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc8DQJ8CEbE but the vibes I am picking from Tes are either Justin Timberlake’s “Cry me a river” or Yesuf’s Said’s hade kilite seleste https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubOuUB3GlU

    But it is not over until it is over because Tes is saying awedaani

    “Am I confused. I told you I had unresolved issues before. I am just reminding you in case.” [ I used to think my breakups were bad!]

    Still light-hearted entertainment!!!!! Nothing Serious! Just crack a smile. It has been a terrible day!

    • Kokhob Selam

      you let everybody join and lough. thank you.

    • tes

      Dear Teweldino,

      This is great. I re-visited my lines and it made me to laugh again. And I love that of KS.

      tes

  • saay7

    Selalmat Olana:

    Nice try:) First a definition:

    con·si·glie·re

    ˌkônsēˈlye-re,kənsiɡlēˈērē/

    noun

    an adviser, especially to a crime boss.

    As for what Aboy Sebhat meant, that’s why I provided the link. You are trying too hard. The interviewer says that “a position that Ato Meles repeatedly held was, Eritreans, above Eritreans, it is EPLF that advocates for them.” So it is not just that Aboy Sebhat (who now chairs a peace tank for peace, wey gud) said that TPLF advocates Eritrean interest more than TPLF; the late PM, according to the interviewer (quoting Gebru Asrat) had said that TPLF advocates Eritrean interests above Eritreans.

    Spin that:)

    saay

  • selam

    180 degree to the opposite of the other wall.

    At this point i really can imagine HAYAT point , here you go, some of you will tell me i am idiot , hypocrite , trash every thing in your mind. If not for the minds and flip side of our people , i could have support hayat from the beginning , why not ? she is looking from the short relive of the Eritrean people if she cancel the question of independence and accepted the crime committed by ethiopian leaders , i realy can be convinced to be on her side . Politics is a game and you need to play it safe and brutal some times. But the truth is not fair and some times is quite to the opposite , the Eritrean people still see weyane as enemy number one and that differentiate me from hayat. They are 100% controlled by PFDJ to the point they can never think off to what happen to the NO WE WILL NEVER KNEEL DOWN.
    As we all know weyane wanted PFDJ to stay in power as long as even 100 years from NOW. Every body will say this is idiotic idea and lam at best. Here is my points that weyane need IA in power to keep Eritrea at gate. What it could it be the reason MZ hold all the opposition with out any agreement for almost 10 years. Think about this , what is the reason. I say as i stated Weyane does need a weak eritrea to show off to the former SEB ETIKI and a democratic eritrea will not give any chance for weyane to stay in power with 6% population. Now do you buy this idea of course not how could you. Weyane has no love or what ever to the Eritrean people. Weyane are playing two way street game ., who played the TITAN game in xer ? Have you ever played the game and you heat one wall from both side at the end of the game you own the house . Of course some of you may not played this game , it is too modern and the age is way down to play this game , as it need fast skill to monitor the different features. Weyane does play this game for too long and the Eritrean opposition just could not see by their eyes . They are too aloof to know this. Imagine if i see wayen and played this game it is quite amusing, Weyane is using IGAD, UN, AU, and all possible means to keep the Eritrean people flowing and also keep IA for long time at last a broken Eritrea.

    Hayat if you clear your historical understanding about the crime and independence and give voice to the Ethiopian people in away that shows Ethiopian leaders still are making crime to their own people not less than PFDJ in that corner we can have the same idea but you will never ever despise weyane. you know what I have understood most the opposition are way way weak and disorganized so the ’Eritrean solutions for Eritrean problems’ do more harm to the cause than good i mean if we waited for groups like ELL and others .

    What do you think.

  • Nitricc

    now watch Hayat is going to skyrocketing after dried up for the last few days. interesting experiment. it is all guests now. lol, funny.

  • selam

    Dear Olana

    No body in this site or forum deny the crime which is committed by HGDEF no one. But we are looking to a solution far far away from your understanding. so no worries we will deal on our terms .
    back to your historical discrepancies .you believe your well equiped and crafted propaganda machine of weyane. Weyane already knew when they did not face any in their march to tessenei they already knew there was bad news from them if they continue up. Now they tried in Assab and they get learned the hard way and they stop that is it.
    Now do we the Eritrean people ask for Ethio hand no we did not . Weyane is paid to hold all the refugee camp. They are paid in geart amount where you have no clue about.Dow we ask for Ethiopia to run over Eritrean land by killing Eritreans now we did not , if you guys are smart , you should have known long time ago that the ESHI GOYTAYE were in Tigray before 10 years yet the Eritrean people refused to pick guns against their brothers that must be a clear signal about what we want and how we want to solve our problem.

  • selam

    The Internet, instead of being a tool for organizing and spreading information about government abuse, can become a tool for oppression able to even reach those who have fled the physical borders of a country for example like ethiopia who is paying UK firm by million pound to constantly update they hacking system. And that should be like taking a vote by 100%

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/03/09/spyware-vendor-may-have-helped-ethiopia-spy-on-journalists-even-after-it-was-aware-of-abuses-researchers-say/

  • selam

    Dear Mizan
    Take my apologies with tons of them. If not for people like XY i would have been very wise and , i can tell you i have little difference with all of you about the current situation of Eritrea, we have talked about this. But when i see people like XY , I have this bloody sense of urgency and some time explosive. Please understand i have every reason on earth to be mad and some times unforgiving to the leaders not to the Ethiopian people.Understand i have a very very ugly story to tell about the crime committed by these leaders over my family. So i see their evil crime very close to my home and family.That being said i am not wishing ill to the Ethiopian people.

  • selam

    Please come here , please see the best Election by weyane. MZ the evil who called this election , hulla over 70 evidence by the independent court

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSGLs4IasI

  • Tafla

    Selam SAAY,

    Change from within…well yes, nothing revolutionary there.

    “If one chooses a Marxist approach to organization–by class and lifestyle–isn’t the agrarian vs pastoral a legitimate argument, transcending geography?”

    Because Eritrean farmers are so wealthy?

    Ali Salim is different from YG? How?

    Nehnan Elamanan 1971
    http://eritrios.net/1970s/Nihnan%20Elamanan,%20English%201971.pdf

    Please, can you show me on which page you found the statements below?

    “a. I will tell them that the geographic organizations they
    inherited (Hamasen, Seraye, Akeleguzai) are just inventions of colonizers to
    divide us. Henceforth, we are “Tigrinya.”

    b. Do not be guilted by anyone who tries to tell you that
    you are less of a nationalist than they are: you were part of ELM (pride), and
    “they” were part of the movement to separate Eritrea into Sudan just like our
    forefathers were part of the movement to hand over Eritrea to Ethiopia;

    c. They are claiming they are Arabs; and you and I know we
    are not Arabs. Are you really going to take that?

    d. You, demographically, outnumber them: please refer to the
    attached exhibit.

    e. They have raided your cattle, abused your
    women, and slaughtered (not killed, but slaughtered with a knife, feel free to
    use any scary image you have in your head of the Mussulman) your brother while
    indulging themselves with multiple wives (wink wink.) Are you really going to
    just take that?”

    • selam

      “your brother while indulging themselves with multiple wives (wink wink. ) ”
      what do you mean ? are you some what like that idiot . Please wise up, where do you want to with that statement ,

      • Tafla

        Selam,

        It’s not my statement. It’s a quote from this article.

        • selam

          But you want it to be the main issue for you, taking it to another direction or you are misquoting him.

          • Tafla

            No, I want answers. I never was for any intervention, so the rest of the stuff was not that exciting to me. I want a reference to where he got that quote from. Don’t you want to know? I couldn’t find it in the leaflet.

    • saay7

      Selamat Tafla:

      My advice to ELL was instead of organizing along geography/culture (highland/lowland) because culture is too fluid and geography is too static, it is best to organize on the basis of economy, because that, in my view, is more potent. Much of lowland Eritrea pursues a pastoral lifestyle and much of highland Eritrea an agrarian lifestyle and the PFDJ, since forever when, has never had economists who understood it is entirely possible to develop a country on the basis of pastoral economy.

      In fact, much of the tension is due to the PFDJ’s decision to convert pastoral land into agrarian land. There is a silent campaign now (repeated over and over in Eritrean state media) that a certain lowland locality has been encouraged to give up its “nomadic” lifestyle and choose a sedentary lifestyle because when it does that it will receive better social services (education, healthcare, etc.)

      On Nehnanan Elamanan, let’s talk when you get the Tigrinya edition. That’s where you will see every line I itemized. “karatatum K’sHulu…nkrstyan k’Hardu”… is there.

      saay

      • Tafla

        Selam SAAY,

        Here is the tigrinya version,
        http://www.jeberti.com/pdf/NehnanElamanan.pdf

        It’s getting late here, so I’ll get back to you tomorrow on the quotes and the mode of life issue. If you have time, do tell which page it is you are reffering to.

        • saay7

          Selamat Tafla:

          Nah, I have a better idea. Read it beginning to end and then if u can’t find it, ask for help. I only read that document once a decade 🙂

          saay

          • Tafla

            Selam SAAY,

            I found the mention of kristyan, marked in red, in the first image of 3, it doesn’t look that bad in context. Now I need your help to find the quote in the document, where he is talking about all muslims being bAl seif we sekin or just “Qiyada alAma”. Dive in, a little scavenging won’t hurt 🙂 (it must have neen a decade at least). I can’t find a religious bigot à la Ali Salim or ELL in this text, just a young (25 years) idealistic socialist.

            Best regards

            Tafla

          • saay7

            Anta Tafla:

            You gotta stop this “awlo, awlo…. mel’ayo baElkha” invitation:) Make a little more effort, read critically, then when you are truly done and you can’t find it, invite me. If I am going to break my once-a-decade pledge, it has to be for a good reason not because Tafla wants me to do his work for him:)

            Yes, it is a brilliant mobilization piece from a 25-27 year old, but hardly idealistic.

            saay

          • Tafla

            SAAY,

            I’m not asking you to do my work, I’ve read it several times (No reson to come to the same conclusion as you). You have the burden of evidence, because you brought some inflammatory comments, without supporting it with a quote.

            On a different note, When it comes to Hydrology and agriculture. I believe downstream areas are more suitable areas for large scale agriculture (recieves eroded soils and are natural basins), than upstream areas, that are more suitable for raising sheep and goats.

            Have a good day.

      • Amde

        Saay

        I suspect there is a good reason why the lowlands and pastoralism overlap. The climate can sustain one and not the other. So in my book it is six of one half a dozen of the other.

        I am with you on the total difference on lifestyle outlook between sedentary and pastoralists, and the perceived prejudices from that context. Settling pastoralists is big now in Ethiopia as well – I remember Melles reviewing a irrigation project somewhere in the Afar region, and remarking that he has become witness to a new “miracle” – an Afar who ploughs the land for a living (“Afar arso sibelam lemayet chilenal”). To be fair, I think there is now more sensitivity to this in Ethiopia. When I left, the word “zelan” was used to describe pastoralists – now the compound word “arbito-ader” is used. I hope this renaming also goes with equivalent change in attitudes and policies.

        But I cringe whenever I hear the tone of superiority inherent in the outlook. I guess in the highlands it is assumed that, one is an itinerant wanderer because one has no land to call his own, and no people to take him in. This is a truly pitiable position if that was the whole extent of it. However, I suspect a pastoralist looks at a person who is tied to a piece of land, and thinks him to be the pitiable one whose need for sustenance has made him a prisoner, while he the pastoralist has the freedom to roam from place to place – and as long as he keeps his herds he is king. So perhaps it is the case that each is looking at the another and saying to themselves – “I can’t imagine how this poor SOB can stand it” (it being the sedenting or the wandering)

        Amde

        • saay7

          Selamat Amde:

          Ah, my kind of discussion. There is an awesome BBC documentary (part of Wildest Africa series) called “Ethiopia: Land of Extremes” which I highly recommend. Two scenes I remember: a camel caravan to mine salt in the Afar region…and a bird that eats bones (but only after it lifts them, and drops them strategically from 10,000 ft, to a hard surface where they can be crashed.) Phew…

          https://vimeo.com/90850665

          The agrarian (sedentary) vs the pastoral (“nomadic”) lifestyle is one where it is not managed well, including Eritrea. It has been years since I read Eritrea’s land proclamation but i think it was mostly about justifying land-ownership for agro-business.

          About the agrarian superiority, I guess it is universal. “seHabti gemel” (camel-pullers) is a pejorative; its equivalent, “defaiti adgi” (donkey pushers) doesn’t exist, to my knowledge.

          If you read Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Steels and Germs” the history of civilization is the history of agrarians dominating pastoralists… so I guess it is an inevitable march? I just hope some geeky, nerdy scholar from the ELL will write a compelling piece to reverse inevitability.

          saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Thanks for the vimeo clip.

            I will just quibble with you and say camel-pulling or donkey-pushing are not opposites. To an agrarian, they represent the same thing – a rootless wanderer. (Now if you said “ox-pusher” that is a different story and your joke would work) I don’t know how good your Amharic is, but I have wondered if it is more than mere coincidence that the words for trade (“ngd”), merchant (“negade”) and road (“menged”) sound like they are from the same root.

            I don’t recall that Jared Diamond’s statement on agrarians dominating pastorlists. That book says so much that I’d put it as one of the basic reading texts to understand us (Ethiopians/Eritreans) culturally and the logic of our political history. One of the big takeaways for me is that climate/geography trumps everything. But technology trumps geography. Hence an enduring ancient Ethiopian state straddling the highlands. Until it was technologically trumped by mediterranean climed Italian colonialism and hence we end up with Eritrea.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Hey Amde:

            Ngd = ngdi. Negade = negaday. menged = mengedi. You are now bilingual in Amharic and Tigrinya Amde.

            Jared Diamond created a series after the success of “Guns…Germs” and I am not 100% sure in which book I read his thesis that, in every civilization, agricultural societies dominate pastotral, but I would bet it is in his original book.

            Speaking of civilizations, one of the big leaps in Western civilization was the jump from using ox to using horses. (I guess you could say it increased productivity by 2 horsepowers, ha ha). In the vimeo video I sent you, there is a scene of farmers high in Semen mountains ploughing field to grow Taff (Taff = Teff.) And…they use horses. Not exactly Belgian horses…but still horses.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Ah thanks for the Tigrinya lesson. It reminds me of this joke between an Amhara and a Tigrayan.
            A: “beg be tgrNa mndnew?” (So, how do you sheep (beg) in Tigrinya?)
            T: “beg’E”
            A: “doro be tgrNa mndnew?” (How do you say chicken (doro) in Tigrinya?)
            T: “derHo”
            A: “indesuma kehone, metanequ qere inji, meblatachin alqerem”. (Well, if that is so, we are spared the chocking but haven’t missed the eating)

            My newly fluentized Tigrinya is so new, you will forgive me if I keep it under wraps haha.

            I like your 2 horsepower joke. I used to work in the auto industry and reminds me of marketing driving engineering decisions (“I don’t care how you do it, but I need to call it a V8 and I need 500 hp!!”) I am actually surprised people would be using horses to plough in highland Ethiopia – that is more mule country. (There is another joke about mules. They asked a mule “Who is your daddy?” Mule replies “My mommy is a horse.”) Anyway, Mules are also supposed to have originated in “our” highlands (“our” as in current Ethio/Eritrea highlands) – but for the life of me I can’t seem to find a reference to it on the internet.

            You are forcing me to dust off my old copy of Guns..Germs… I suspect itinerant (I won’t call it pastoralist) lifestyles will make their appearance once more when robots take away our jobs and people will live off of minimum income. If you don’t have a job, and you get paid for being alive why would you stick someplace? So in the end, civilization may bring us back full circle to the wandering lifestyle. So that those that wander will wonder at those who stick around and work. While those who work will wnder at the wanderers.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            We will just take this discussion where it leads us; it will be a catharsis from the history scavenging exhaustion we just had.

            In the Big Lebowski, the dude is a wanderer and Mr Lebowski is a phony millionaire. (Random reference only for fans of the movie)

            Notwithstanding all the cowboy movies which romanticize the horse, the West was “won” (apologies to Native Americans) by the mule. Over at the Smithsonian Institute, they have a section on American history and I remember seeing a life size model of an American mule: it’s the size of a Greyhound bus. Our puny mules must be distant relatives.

            Now u are making me self-conscious. Did I see a mule or a horse in the video of the farmer in the Semen Mountains? The tail looks like that of a horse. A horse is a horse of course of course…

            I shared the video with my former favorite Ethiopian (Eyob Medhane) and asked him what’s the local name for the giant bird that feeds on bones. He didn’t know and I took away one yellow gold star from him.

            saay

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Saay,
            I called to Gondar and asked two friends the name of the bird. They told call it “QilTim sebari” or “bearded vulture”.

          • saay7

            Selamat Rahwa:

            Thank you! I will pass it on to Eyob Medhane who should have known this:)

            saay

          • saay7

            Kbur Gwad Amde:

            Well. Your skepticism was well warranted. I can’t find a polarization between “agrarian” and “pastoral” in Diamond’s “Guns, Germs and Steel.” The agrarian (or farming, in Diamond’s lingo) societies were able to dominate the rest because (a) they were densely populated, which led to (b) craftsmen (including weapons makers) and they were able to, thanks to their viruses (c) wipe out the rest.

            Going back to the negative terms for pastoral societies, probably the world’s best know pastoralists were the Mongols, who laid waste to many farming communities and were called “Barbarians.” If you come from farming communities and craftsmen, you can lay waste to hunters-gatherers and pastoral societies and you are just doing God’s work. Or something.

            Speaking of: Mail & Guardian Africa had an eye-opening article on slavery. Its called “13 Facts About Slavery in Africa – for One European Slaves Were Cheaper But Africans Sold Their Own More Readily.”

            And:

            “Between 1492 and 1550 the Amerindian population of the West Indies had been reduced by 90% due to massacres, importation of diseases such as smallpox, and destruction of local agriculture by the incomers.”

            http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-03-10-13-fascinating-facts-about-slavery-in-africafor-one-european-slaves-were-cheaper-but-africans-sold-their-own-more-readily

            ok. Now the most important mention of Africa and Ethiopia in Jared Diamond’s book (this is my gratuitous offer to Eyob Medhane who is on some Weyane Business and has ignored Awate University):

            “Even the Semitic subfamily itself is mainly African, 12 of its 19 surviving languages being confined to Ethiopia. This suggests that Afroasiatic languages arose in Africa, and that only one branch of them spread to the Near East. Hence it may have been Africa that gave birth to the languages spoken by the authors of the Old and New Testaments and the Koran, the moral pillars of Western civilization.”

            If this won’t excite Eyob (traitor!) at least our other Habesha supremacist, Kokob Selam, will be grinning and telling everyone “I love you.” 🙂

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,
            Thank you for the clip. Very interesting.

          • selam

            Saay
            I am getting rich from day to day , thanks very much please pile up more when ever possible.
            selam

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Amde,

          please stay and keep coming with your comment. Many of us are enjoying. Your take is amazing, it brings a reaction of, here is another angle looking at an issue. Very matured argument.

          • Amde

            Ato Amanuel,

            Thank you. I learn a lot too.

  • T. Kifle

    What has democracy got to do with it?

    It is up to you , Eritreans, to request(humbly) any help Ethiopia is willing and/or capable of offering. To begin with, it’s a non-issue because Ethiopia doesn’t show any sign to go for military intervention of any sort. Second, apart from the theoretical assertions, many are indulged in for and against, no opposition so far have made the request to the table at least publicly. Then why is this hyperventilation on a non-issues?
    Who cares whether your solution for Eritrea is imported or home-grown? Why would an Ethiopian die to bring the ungrateful elites of Eritrea to power to only back stab us when the they feel they are capable of stabbing ? Didn’t we pay enough in precious lives and through political goodwill? What did we receive in return?

    Why do you care about our democracy? Were Syria, Egypt, KSA, Iraq, Iran, democratic when they bankrolled your Ghedli? Is it because you are convinced that the terrible situation Eritrea is in because of the help you received from all the mentioned countries where democracy was but an alien to their vocabulary of governance?How would one reconcile the fact that the smartest creatures walking on mother Africa complain that their struggle could be usurped because of a conditional help that the so-called “helper is not willing to impart?

    The good thing is Ethiopia knows when to do what. No matter how Eritreans look at things, Ethiopia knows when to strike and that is when Eritrea shows an imminent sign of state failure or to the extent that IA’s mind fails to memorize the last lesson. Other than these two condition, nothing will change the status qua.

    • selam

      We voted no long time ago.The opposition have been in Tigray almost 10 years . They have a conference with weyanti generals for so too many . Many air ticket to dedbit and so many talk. What did they got. Is not it clear for you tegaru to understand we do not need your weapons , You want help us fund our media with out any precondition , i mean if you care fund them and let them mobilize the Eritrean people. Unless we do not need you tanks , bullets and any thing like that. If ever the some silly opposition on your government cheque ever try to use Ethiopian forces or any like that. They have to know they will prolong the throne of IA .

    • AOsman

      T.Kifle,

      SAAY tweet must have caused some itching :), your below statement should summed it up for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

      “Ethiopia knows when to strike and that is when Eritrea shows an imminent sign of state failure or to the extent that IA’s mind fails to memorize the last lesson”

      Regards
      AOsman

      • saay7

        Abu Affan:

        As you know, Aboy Sebhat (the consigliere of the TPLF) said in an interview with VOA that his organization “cares more for Eritreans than the EPLF does; it cares more for South Sudan than Silva Kiir does…” and continued with (to the VOA interviewer residing in the US) “wala abti zelkhayo Adi keman…” (implying he cares more for Americans than Obama does.)

        So, taking that thinking to its logical conclusion, TPLF cares more for the opposition than the opposition does:)

        saay

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ustaz Aosman

        Even my friend TK lost it today. “Why do you care about our democracy?” he asked. Isn’t he the who avails himself voluntarily to lecture us on our “deformed” or “non-existent” identity.
        Well, we care about your democracy, because there are those who want us to copy it. I say, No. PFDJ could have done that long time if not for its “uniform stupidity.” They could have muzzled everyone on the basis of “terrorism law.” They could have thrown 1997 constitution years ago, cooked a constitution, and passed their own through a legislative of their own design. A law-making body with one opposition or none. They could have designed language-based 9 kilils or Zobatat instead of five administrative ones, and would declare tom the world “See, we are doing what you are doing.” Who would block them?

      • T. Kifle

        AOsman,

        Nice try. This is the best of SAAY’s articles my friend as far as Ethiopia is concerned. I am not prompted by this article at all. I am wondering though the “ganging up against Hayat” for a mere showing of here wishes and misconstrued by the gang as if she commands the Ethiopian Defence Forces, People jumped off almost choked her breathe system for having just an opinion. This is a bad signal for future Eritrea. SAAY usually gets it wrong when he peeks towards Ethiopia through his angry self. He cant get it enough and his anger surfaces, resurfaces through and through his writings since 1998 because his predications on Ethiopia failed him miserably, his prophecies and wishes remained unfulfilled. He came on with this article to make a point with a little admission of “wrong” while the discussion at the time was not whether the Spring revolutions were good or bad but whether there wouldn’t be any revolution in Eritrea like we witnessed in some Arab states as Eritrea’s objective situation wasn’t ripe for anything like those public disobediences seen elsewhere. Now, he came with another message of the sages ካብ ዘይትፈልጦ መልኣኽስ እትፈልጦ ሰይጣን. He has every right to remain under his comfortable ሰይጣን but why would Ethiopia become his unremitting punch-bag is the unresolved riddle.

  • selam

    Since one does not have donkey does not mean he can not wish to have a car ? we Eritreans yes does not have one leg donkey but we can not be lectured by a wild animal who looks after his empty stomach or personal interest . We are far better than that. And since the poor neighbor does not have a donkey , is he ignorant not to see what happens in his neighbor who , beg all over by denying his children the right to earn on their land ? The people i mean like XY , who are committed to lecture us about Ethiopian democracy as if we are new about the ugly faced election. Their ugly democracy under the umbrella of terorrism is sniffing out any possible challenger and here in this forum we have people who have no shame to brag all the long in explaining , one party or any can win 100% and 0% , what kind of idiots believe such kind of results ? do we need to go after such hallow minded people , who have no shame in their life. Do we intend to believe them , try your best .

    http://www.voanews.com/content/ethiopian-opposition-faces-difficulty-in-entering-upcoming-elections/2597950.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Ethiopian_police_massacres
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dispatches/2007/09/why_we_dont_hear_about_the_conflict_in_the_ogaden.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6064638.stm
    http://www.irinnews.org/report/54319/ethiopia-rights-group-accuses-gov-t-of-suppressing-opposition

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam selam,
      .
      I understand about your disagreement with Hayat Adem about Ethiopian military assistance. I am with you on that. Let us put that aside for a minute.
      .
      I just don’t understand your anger and melt down when someone says a small and measured compliment about Ethiopia of its current journey.
      Is it a zero sum game to you? Does Eritrea lose if Ethiopia gains and vice versa ? What is it then? Our common recent history had been bad, does that mean our future is destined to be bad?
      .
      You speak from your heart I hope you answer it directly. I don’t expect any answer from those who wear the intellectual garb. They only know how to ooze out their camouflaged venoms every time Ethiopia is mentioned as taking baby steps for the better.
      .
      K.H

      • selam

        Dear K.M

        I have already explained my position on Ethiopia at any project that help the poor people. Even as far as going to make it clear we all Eritreans should stand by the Ethiopian people when it comes to development. Check what i have said about the dame , i have said more than that. Do you really think The Ethiopian people are stupid ? i do know they are not any they will never be. But here you have it some have the mental agility to tell us any party can win 100% or lose 0% of the vote. Can we agree on certain open truth. I have said any good in Ethiopia creates a good environment for us Eritreans. I know for a fact that we Eritreans buy properties and also trade edible oil and others , We work together in Dubai , china and other places . I gave my vote long time ago about any good .That does not mean i have to give the facts and the true feeling of our people for sale.Ok so you are asking me to see only to your comment and forget about the blood thirsty people here ? tell me ? will you be happy if i do that , by dumping all the grievances we have and people from your side keep denying it , even as far as going to make it a lovely story. Have you ever questioned to your friends that 3 of the Ethiopian leaders have committed a great crime against us and yet with out any sign of acknowledgment. DO you think such kind of attitudes go well with a wounded person. We have wounds to cure and one of the medicine is you people at least admit it.

  • Hayat Adem

    ክንብርኩትን ዘይክንብርኩትንሲ ኣብ ሩባ እንዶ ንብጻሕ…በሉ ሰብኣይ
    Dear Everyone, we got a problem here. Too many lies, too many ill-timed campaigns, too many embellishments, too much meanness… How many of them do you try to correct? How many of them do you challenge? In a normal situation, lies have to be fewer compared to truths, liars have to be minority compared to honest people. We can hope we can get there but ours looks an environment of inverted commonsense at this time. Let’s see some of the points being advanced in a campaign-level intensity here. There seems to be a cut-out a running slogan as well: “No apologies!” I’ll come to this “No apologies” slogan and “the Hawzien bombardment was the work of Weyane” issues some other time, first to the false assertions:
    1) The issue of “1 opposition seat in a 545 seat parliament and why would you want to get help from such a system?”
    This is fantastic. And we could have passed it with a fitting one liner adage ኣድጊ ዘይብሉ በቕሊ ይንዕቕ: We don’t even have a parliament, we don’t even have elections; we don’t even have a normal council of cabinet…Ethiopia is now entering a 5th national election. True, this out going parliament has only 1 opposition member, 1 independent. The rest 499 are EPRDF, and the remaining close to 50 seats belong to the non-EPRDF regions. But this was not the only election, there was another before that where the opposition won the entire Addis Ababa city and a big gain in other major cities, save Meqele, and close to 200 seats of the parliament was won. This is what the Election Board declared. The oppositions’ claim is even much bigger as they declared had it not been stolen they won majority and we all know what happened as a result of that dispute. In 2000, the opposition parties share of seat was not as significant but there were some, may be 10 or 20 or more. In that year, they were at a height of war with Eritrea but they didn’t even postpone the election. It was held in May as scheduled. I don’t know the make up of the previous 1995-2000 parliament but I guess it was not different from the parliament that followed.
    Saying that, is it the number of opposition seats won in an election or the process of the election that tells about the fairness and openness of an election? Anyone who wants to criticize Ethiopian democracy should focus on the process not on the results. Because any result is a possibility. 100% seat win is statistically a possibility as also 0% is a possibility in a fair and credible election. If you don’t take your clues from the process and you think you can read the presence of democracy from the shared seats of winner representatives, then you can ponder of funny things to happen. For example, the ruling party can buy fake opposition parties to take safe number of seats for company, and according to that logic it can claim to be counted as a democratic system. The other side of this is, all opposition parties can conspire and lose all seats to discredit the system. That is why I said number of seats will not effectively say much about the level of democracy in practice. But if you want to make bizarre claims by analyzing the number of seats, you should use all of them, not just one election. If you do that you’ll end up saying the Ethiopian democracy was perfect during 2005-2010, which wouldn’t be true either. The other point I learned is Ethiopian election system follows a winner-takes-all rule. My mentor (who doesn’t have one? It is not a bad thing to have one, the only thing I’ve in common with the boy- well he has more than two)- So my mentor on the Ethiopian politics tells me it is not even as it looks. He said the opposition together had 55% votes in Addis and about 41% votes countrywide. If you are outvoted just by one person in a constituency, it means you have 50% votes but, you don’t share a penny seat because of this winner takes all rule, and 1 single vote can make you lose.
    I am not saying Ethiopian democracy has matured up, not anywhere close to be eyed as enviable at all. Much is desired and they have a long way to go. But they have their constitution, they have a stable country, they have found a political formula that works for their 80million people country. They are moving and moving fast in may good ways. When you think of the challenges they have, and Eritrea has, you can only appreciate the strides they have made and feel ashamed of our failure.
    2) There are other so many other good things we can see in Ethiopia than only its domestic politics: development is happening in full swing. They’ve become a regional power. Ethiopian economy as we speak is 3rd or 4th in Africa, They have the 2nd powerful Army in Africa. They are growing green. They are contributing peace keepers in Africa better than any other country in the continent. They are integrating their economy with the region. They regained their confidence and are pulling Egypt by its collars to a negotiating table. They are a regional power. Africa is looking up to them as source of inspiration. And this all is in the last 20yrs.
    3) We are not asking Ethiopia for getting us out of a democracy deficit. We are asking Ethiopia for help because of capacity; because of proximity and because of a common interest. Any sensible person should have been advocating for more help from Ethiopia not for boycotting it. There is no use or reason for us to look daggers at them while we could be the closest people to seek their help which we could do it for them when we can and when they need it.
    Hayat

    • tes

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      I was wrong but Nitricc was right on who you only his approach didn’t make it right. You deceived me when I think that it is your political line of thinking. But I was wrong and only you need to be challenged. I tried to speak for your rights and still I will keep that but I will oppose you politically. A relentless anti-Eritrean missionery. Even I will not place you under the TPLF list as I see them somehow and sometimes shame on what they do. But you are absolutely a ventilator of hate between the two people.

      You deserve no respect but a reaction. A relentless missionary of invasion toward Eritrea. You are a vampire bat never ashamed of to call another country to invade a sovereign country. I don’t care about your nationality but you are a real messenger of vampires and you are a vampire bat.

      tes

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Tes,
        I never call for Ethiopia’s invasion of Eritrea. I call for Ethiopian help in removing Isaias. My call considers a narrowly packaged selective military measure that stays for weeks not even months. The intervention from Ethiopia must be done only with the invitation of the opposition and a good will of the Eritrean public and must never include any political. security and government matters which needed to be owned and spearheaded by the opposition. That is the help Ethiopia affords and Eritrea needs at this time. I don’t know if you can call that invasion.
        I am not going to tell you again about the defamation circulated on my identity. I’ve a feeling the damage is done but that will not bother me at all. There will be a time people will be interested in ideas than in rumors related to identity assassinations.

        • tes

          Dear Hayat A.,

          I am calling you dear only because it is a rule to say so here at awate and I will not break my promise to correct myself. I will keep on addressing you as dear (Semere A., am I right?)

          Now, you are saying that you didn’t call for intervention, right? Fool me again.

          For your identity, I don’t care, you can be an Eritrean or not and it is not my job to go after that. But you are a vampire bat never ashamed of to ignite a fire between people and worse to invade a sovereign country. Did you re-read what you have just wrote right now? You wrote,

          “We are asking Ethiopia for help because of capacity; because of proximity and because of a common interest.” What does this stand for?

          You are a vampire that need to be exposed by all means.

          Vampire bat of the 21C. Shame on you.

          tes

          • Selam

            Blame me for any thing call me any thing , but i have to say thanks for your second thought. I really know that you can blame me for any thing you wanted as far as you challenge ideas of the bloody and hungry wild animals .

            For looking to the point where the vampire was looking to have better cage to hide and come out and sniff as well as suck people, some times they have the ability to change colors . The chameleon has done a big mistake to lecture us.
            You know you have my first vote , you can do what ever you want with it.

          • Hayat Adem

            Tes,
            Do you have to be that wild on me just because you are now grooming yourself for readmission to Saay’s folds or what? Why don’t you focus on what I said? I said I don’t call it invasion. Intervention, yes. According to me, you don’t need to fight them, because they can only come if we invite them. And you don’t invite people just to fight them.
            Hayat

          • tes

            Dear Hayat,

            Call me you are grooming or what ever you like. I am not like you who try to fight for my personal identity. Regarding saay7, re-read his article and you will see if he has any lines that nullifies my argument. I was not opposing him for the sake of opposing. I was opposing him because I was reading lines which are not good for the people. Even my recent rejection to his article was only just because of half a sentence. I did that because I wanted him to respect the people first and this is my opinion. But people came after me instead of evaluating it. before, the same;

            But for you, I opposed you from the very beginning on the intervention issue. Call it invasion or intervention, it is all the same. We tried to correct you and at least change your line of thinking in this regard. You didn’t and it is only because you love to see blood pouring in the streets. This is how you get full satisfaction. You wanted to suck blood of innocent people, both from Ethiopia and Eritrea. War is war and has no mercy.

            Why don’t you go for international community to pressure the dictatorial regime? Why don’t you call firm and absolute sanction? These are the right tools for a one that he really wants a pressure to dictators like PFDJ. If war broke-out in Eritrea, let it be civil-war, but only Eritrean themselves, the international community has an obligation to intervene so that innocent people will not be the victim.

            But to call any country, I don’t care whether it is Ethiopia, America, Bulgaria, Lesetho, name it whatever you want, is first and for most illegal. But the people living inside Eritrea have all rights to fight for their rights. Calling for intervention or invasion is illegal and anti-peace and anti humanity. No one wants to intervene except people like you who wants innocent people as a sacrifice.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Tes,
            1) Everything he is saying is what he has been saying all the time and what you have been calling him chauvinist for. But it is not a crime to run away for no reason and return for no reason. You had no reason, you have no reason. So run back, don’t make me your reason.
            2) Yes, I didn’t have to fight for my identity. If you despise that you have to stop this kind of backward, coward smear campaign on non-issue matters, such as one’s identity. It is unfortunate. It is not fair for one to be forced to fight for identity just because she is an odd woman out in the club. I hate group-thinking and I’m curious enough to try new ideas. Group thinking and group bullying are very dangerous humanity killers sadists employ as effective tools. The good news here is I don’t give a damn. People have been making the worst crime of fueling a war between two sisterly peoples, and the only thing they are ready to admit is about the wrong predictions they made in Libyan political events. We have so many things going wrong in our country, going wrong in a dangerous way, and part of that is to be blamed on these individuals. For those things, they don’t say “I was wrong”. They say, “No Apologies”. Nothing changed at all except that you came a long way to embrace it.
            3) Ethiopian help is not the only thing I have been writing on here at Awate. It is one issue and it is something I believe in. Do you want to argue with me how I think it will be effective and helpful? Ask me, I can give you my brain. Are you challenging me by saying, it has never been done before? Ask me, I’ll give you tones of examples hwere, when and how it worked.
            4) You prefer civil war in Eritrea instead of taking help from Ethiopia? Now i know from where you are fishing this vampire thingy. That scares me. How much deep is your hate on the Ethiopians? How mush hate does blind you not to use the extended hand for help to get out of a sinking ship? Don’t want to survive at least so that you can enjoy your hating life for years, if nothing else?
            hayat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes, truth is truth. no matter who said it it is truth, I love Saay but if he is not saying the truth, I can oppose him without hating him. the same for Hayat and the same for you. no exception. it doesn’t matter if he is educated, priest, Shekh – Mufti like the one we have in Eritrea (the man who clam to be Muslim Mufti and who is watching the suffering of People ) , who ever in this world if he is against truth you should stand opposing him. even if the entire people of Eritrea are not correct say it loudly you are wrong. In short, truth is higher than anything and at last everyone should surrender. even those leaders of PFDJ at last they will surrender. it is like death and birth, if nature give order you will emerge and nothing will stop you and if nature wants you to join here leaving you body you have to depart with one way ticket.

            I am saying all this because I feel my lovely tes is not real tes I know. something has gone wrong ether you are reconciling with Saay , or you are confused. check it and please don’t take it personal..this is all from the respect I have on your previous stands for truth. Saay might have chosen to study with all his knowledge he has. may be he is opening the page to see how much people react for truth. otherwise he is choosing his way as others. he is human being.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I have all respect for you. But you know that I always call for peace and reconciliation. And if I got a chance to reconcile with saay7, it will an advantage for me. I stand firm in my principle and so does saay7. Reconciliation is not to leave your principle. It is to see also what other’s principle is.

            Am I confused to you today? Non no KS, I am the same tes. Just I got bored with Hayat Adem. She is a blood sucker. I wish she was calling for peace like you. Or at least I wish she was also respecting others. But to come up with a bunch of EPRDF defensive mechanisms and yet belitting her country and her country mate and worse calling an open intervention is more than enough to bear with it.

            Dear KS, I believe that Eritrean can accomodiate political diversity. I love political diversity. What I hate is a sadistic people who even do not like to work with people but alone. Hayat is like based on her own testimony.

            Dear KS, I am for peace. I love you when you call for peace. Can’t you then enough is enough for peace distractors?

            Dear KS, I do care less about Habeshanism, I do care less about the existence of sister countries in one. I care about humanity. Eritreans are not there because they are habesha. They are there because that is where they are. We can not fight to keep two countries to stay as sisters but in one? We can not romantize the Habeshism being in remote areas. Those of us who are outside, may be habesha bla bla can only the means to bring us together. Others, we are different. Back home and the same in Ethiopia they care less about habesha because they are habesha there. But those who are outside, there is possibility of losing habeshanism and to fight for that being where you can be fine but lets not export it back home. People there only needs peace and justice. They are not worried of losing their identity.

            Therefore, who is confused or not is good if we keep it outside our atmosphere. I am just using my usual tool, newton’s law, that is all: For every action there is equal and opposite reaction.

            tes

        • selam

          No string attached

          Go with your package and sit home do not tell us about weeks of blood shed . It is not eating pizza , it is war and when ethiopia ever try to fight with the eritrean people will go directly to defend their country not to the other way.And if it happens , you will see in your PC and laugh how people get killed. ja they are not your brothers and you have zero relationship to the people who are carrying guns.

        • tes

          Dear Hayat A.,

          Even wicked men like Abinet rejected you. How awful human you are? Rejected by all? A vampire bat of the 21C.

          tes

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Tesfabirhan,
            You might have points to talk. But you are more of an attention seekers, acting like a teenage exciting when she/he gets few hand clapping. You are biting any body you approached. The level of your excitement seems each at climax. get settled.

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T,

            You are right. Then what? Will you be happy if you are good enough to read my current mood but unhappy if I say, “I am ok as I am now”.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Tesfabirhan,
            I guess you have smocked a new drug today. I doubt if if sleep will visit your eyes tonight out of your excitement. What is so special with Hayats position today? The same issue has been said many times by Hayat. Calling YG won’t put you at the same level as him. The same with Hayat. She is way high up at the top. I am surprising to see even the matured men and women are acting like children and suddenly rushing to feed on a new kill like “tekHalu” (wild dogs).

          • Kokhob Selam

            Rahwa T, take my experience and record it. We have lost a lot of bright people taken by anti peace forces using their emotions. Now, some innocent men and women are miscalculating just because of their deep love to this nation to which all Eritreans pay for. I experienced very difficult moment when I was young watching the best cadres pulled back by their emotions and were eaten by their own choice – they were the best and delicious cake to serve the mafia.

            Just relax and watch the road will be closed soon and everyone will start to ask, “what am I doing?”.” I was wrong”. I am not talking about those who use to tell us “PFDJ should continue” “there is no opposition” and are eventually trying to be more change seekers than the real once. Thanks God we have recorded what they use to say and they will remain useless men as they have been during their support to PFDJ.

            I am talking about those who are confused temporally, those who are searching the way out but are doubt full of everything including their shadow. Those are the once lost today and are thinking the star is here to cast shadow. they are a bit terrorized as the lion ( uprising and death of spy groups etc.) is roaring and are all vegetarians (that is good), let the few heroes manage it as those once are not much practical when comes challenging. they are nice people, who change their way in every event.

            “ክበልዕዎ ዝደለዩ ኣብጉንባሕ ሲ…” now what wrong did that Hayat said ? isn’t true, that Ethiopia is doing much much better than Eritrea? really I am shame, to compare those two nations. I even should not even try it. I can say we Eritreans will make our nation more than all others but I can’t say Ethiopia today is not advancing.

            and regarding Ethiopian support what is wrong to give here opinion ? are those guys thinking Ethiopia will bring her military force and fight against PFDJ and hand over to opposition. isn’t Ethiopia busy in her development ? are those guys thinking EPRDF is Mengstu or Hailese? now watch all those who cry, were they in the same stand against PFDJ? no, but they are seeking refuge to get one group who will hug them and their common ground is opposing Hayat Lol, so isn’t Eritrea their going down waiting for the hero to save her? እነሆ ሜዳ እነሆ ጎልጎል ፡ ወዮ ጋላባይ ፈረስ ተረኺቡ !!

            as for me I don’t think a hero should accept any support from Sudan ( as they can be sold for one kiss of lady- no ethics on their mind) and any single Arab nation just for one reason, I know why they were supporting Eritrean case and I know at times they can change their stand. I trust my Habesha people and I will ask support always. who will ,if not my brother. All I have to do is make clear agreement which should not affect my nations freedom. and what, I must plan to plan in having self confidence and build trust between our nice two people.

            But no problem, no problem at all if their is another choice and some one can do it without blaming and labeling, just right on the ground. it is just a matter of choice and nobody should force me to chose his choice. So just take it easy, people like Tesfa can’t be cheated. they will see the truth. This doesn’t need knowledge, it is a matter of knowing the reality.

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T,

            There is nothing special, you are right. But it is enough for her. She is boring vampire bat, got it?

            As for your second assertion, I am tes and I will remain tes. Neither I delete my identity like that of YG nor do I call war on my people. I don’t want their horizon. Even if I wanted, I will only die trying.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Tes,
            What is rejection to you? I have an idea that i still believe in, that I still can explain, that I still can debate about it with insult-infested personalities like you, and it is up to others to support me or reject me. The only thing that would make me change my mind is if show it to me in reasons and get me convinced. Abi rejected it out of selfish interests reasoning he doesn’t want to Ethiopia to invest a single life to improve Eritrea’s situation. Of course, he is wrong. These countries are very interdependent in their situations. No two countries are naturally interdependent than Ethiopia and Eritrea. What happens in Eritrea will cost Ethiopia way more than a single life if state collapse happens. Preventive actions are less costly in many ways. You said you rejected my ideas partially then but I don’t know which part is in/which part of it out.
            I don’t know why keep on calling me vampire, you have one vampire in Eritrea and she should be enough to you for now.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat A.

            If you have a morality to say Abi is wrong and yet he is the one who is on call, then, what? Aren’t you a glammed up wicked and sadistic individual who is just vomiting his hatred to his own people?

            Take care, still you are an Eritrean, just like that of DIA, both killers but different from YG.

            What is then rejection if I said no and Abi said no to you.? Do you have any other meaning of rejection in your dictionary, may be it can as blood suckers do not want to go away until their drink enough of it.

            tes

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Tes
        Thanks little bro. I never lost hope in you, because there is no way you could have embraced Hayat’s extremely exposed anti Eritrea and its history campaigns.
        Tes, the rotten tree will always produce rotten fruits. Seasonal blossoming is not going to disguise its true identity. Fighting for justice is noble. Protecting your nation is equally noble. We can do both. The good thing: Both reinforce each other. The gloves are off, tes.

        • tes

          Dear Mahmud;

          First of all I need to thank you. I was for good that I tried to think about Hayat in political terms, I mean more of academic, to frank. Equally, I was hating Nitricc when he was using kind of racistic words in trying to challenge her. May be it his approach but I believe that we have more strong ways to challenge people. If we use PFDJ way of challenging and defaming people who have a political thinking that damages people, it is only a sign of failure. And from this, I was not happy to use words like dedebit, woyane, chenewti. These are PFDJ nurtured values in creating hate.

          As human being first and eaually people who are not lucky to live in our country because of PFDJ, we have a genuine way of fighting. And when we use words which are really describing the individuals who have the agenda, even let them be a group, we can challenge them and we can get rid of them using words of wisdom and when necessary reactionary words.

          Else, yes, this forum has been toxicated few anti-peace and anti Eritrean people’s agenda. Slowly they are coming to the surface and when we expose them naked, then only we can go to a real Eritrean solutions.

          Eritrean problems by Eritreans themselves only. If other people want to help us, let them respect us as we are without taking a piece of our identity. We can never be others now.

          Thank you again and with all respect

          tes

        • Hayat Adem

          Mahmuday,
          Please don’t fool the unsuspecting with flowery niceties. You and I know Eritrea’s problems are larger than me and anyone else. Because you hated my “anti-Eritrea history” will not solve the problem. Which Eritrean history am I against? You can’t say any. If you try to reduce Eritrea to ghedli history, yes I will oppose it. The rest is Eritrean history which is people’s history and there is no way i can stand against.

          • Elenta

            Hayat,
            You have a right to oppose eritreans struggle for independence and you were given a choice to vote YES or NO for independence in 1993.
            But to say that the Eritrean struggle/ sacrifices for independence is not Eritrean and Eritrean people’s history is wrong.

          • selam

            Dear Elenta
            She can be hardly Eritrean , who wish that evil thing to any one. Come on elenta. Why we could not wish any good settlement , it is not we are the belt women or man. We are just defending and arguing on historical facts and possible solution to the problem at hand. Can’t we choose any sensible solution ? why are they denying the historical facts , what is their main intention is mind boggling .

          • Hayat Adem

            Elenta,
            Who said that? Certainly not me.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat A.,

            Don’t try to show us a crocodile cry. We are not living to respect our history. But while living we respect and guard our history.

            On the other talk, we have also history of killers, Eritreans were also engaged in killing Eritreans. You could be one of them again. You could one of the ESEPA members who were serving Derge and luckily you departed for good but continued your mission.

            Are you trying to differentiate yourself from YG? Are you trying that I am better than him? At least he was much wiser than you as his mission was only to erase history. He assumed but no one in this world has erased history or identity. The more you try to delete history, the more it glorifies.

            But you are a killer, worst messenger. You wanted people simply to die. You openly called a country to intervene in another country. I will repeat, I don’t care whether you are calling Ethiopia or not, you are anti-sovereinity and anti international laws.

            Countries may call intervention when they feel that their security is in danger, I repeat, countries themselves. Suppose PFDJ got shaked from internal pressure or some other country invaded him, he has a right to call the international community to intervene and save him from defeat or failure. This is what the UN is standing for. And in rare cases, world communities may intervene based on a reached consensus. This is what is happening. No country is welcomed to intervene in any country.You know it and I know it and everybody knows it. Just you want to get satisfaction by saying it.

            I am not actually reacting you because Ethiopia will might hear your call. But your basic idea is unacceptable and anti-humanity. You are a blood-sucking individual.

            Or, you want to write history books, as you don’t deny history, sitting some where outside. You wanted to publish volumes and volumes of articles on what had happened after your invasion?

            Are you doing your post-doctrate theoretical experimentation on how people can easily get into war?

            Aha, you are not against history but with good wishers of killers? What is history if the people that owns it dies? ARe you trying to fool readers by saying that you are not YG? YG is at least better than you as he was only anti-history and identity but not humanity. A killer and de-programmer can never be compared on the same table. You are a live killer but YG is a dead soul man. YG may try to destroy identity but worse you are destroying life.

            Now, meditiate on ‘Anti-historian” and “Anti-humanity” You are not anti-historian but anti-humanity. Will you be now happy in this way of description?

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hayat
            You think tes is someone I can fool? You were saying the same about nitrikay. You know what? These two persons are among the most confident and independent individuals I have ever seen. Dear Gual Adem, it’s dangerous thinking and acting
            as if you are the smartest person in town. You may think that you are the leader, others just following; that you are the performer, others watching; that you are the only one to set agendas, others following; that you are the only teacher others learning. ..I said these before: the sheep Seem to be comfortable with the idea of having to deal with the real jackal than a jackal in sheepskin.
            Furthermore, tes needs no niceties to say what’s in his mind; you know him.

          • Hayat Adem

            ኮኾበይ ምሩር ኮይኑ’ እምበር ማሕሙዳይስ ጭዋ’ኳ ኢኻ ዝነበርካ፤ አዋህልለካ’ለኹ
            You are calling me a rotten tree and jackal-in-sheepskin. How is it no one is not refuting my points and everyone is jumping on calling me names? What is this website turning into? All of you who are calling me names are so impotent that you have to go to wicked ways of silencing than arguing your points. How better are you than the PFDJ, or is it something that needs no separation?
            I never said of myself to be the smartest person in a serious way except to tame down an immature person who calls himself a fearless. In fact, thinking of your self as the smartest is a sign of weakness than a strength.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat A.,

            If you were wise enough, if people are frequently not accepting your star, reach it again. Even I will not advice you to leave it. You are human and you can emancipate frol such badly shining star. You can use a right diode to filter th good one. You have everything within you, drop the bad. But first, stop your dream to drink blood.

            Aha, did you say, “How better are you than the PFDJ…” We are totally different. PFDJ could have silenced you years before and from cyber space, banned you. Here awate.com is a democratic web. How then are you blaming while you are still using the chance to accomplish your mission. awate has served you more than anybody. Me and likes are just same people like you who use the media provided for all of us, even the killers, like you and the PFDJites, equally. And if you continue to blame, you are just wicked and a hypocrite. But, if you are forwarding any case that is against your rights, accuse and bring the article. We will stood for your rights.

            The paradox is, awate,com could have been number one to be blamed for allowing you a chance for such long time campaigning your killers message. Rather, they welcomed you even by asking apologies that you never understand your meaning.

            tes

          • Mizan

            Tesfabirhan, slow down young man. You made your points and everyone has heard you loud and clear. Don’t think for a second I am defending HA. I only like to defend myself in this forum.

            Anyway, did you get some kind of awakening here? What is the deal? HA has been saying these same things over and over again since I have been commenting here a couple months and reading comments off and on for so many years. So why is this total news to you all of a sudden? You, yourself have lost a lot of credibility because of your emotional nature. I think you are a young aspiring fellow and so what you need a calm demeanor. Don’t be reactive. Look at SAAY. You can call him anything and he will never be mad but he will make his pencil sharp as a needle if you poke him. Calm down, write less emotion loaded stuff but deeper and more thought out ideas.

          • Nitricc

            “You, yourself have lost a lot of credibility because of your emotional nature”
            hypocrite.
            Ermias or is it Biniam; why don’t you share your expertise and tell Tes to come up with a different name. you wouldn’t know if credibility hit you right on the head with 4 by 4.

          • Mizan

            ኣበይ ዝነበርካ ድቓላ ኢኻ ንስኻ ናይትሪኽ ትባሃል። ጸማምሲ ሓደ ደርፉ፤ ስራሕ ዶ እምበር ኣለካ ን ምዃኑ። ስዲ፤ ዓቢ ኣይትብል ንእሽተይ ኣይትብል ሱቕ ኢልካ ኣብ ኣፍካ ዝጸነሓካ ሃው እንዳበልካ ትኽይድ፤ ከማኻስ ርእየ አኳ ኣይፈልጥ፤ ዳሓር ካኣ ንስኻ ማዓስ ኮንካ። እቶም ኣማሓደርቲ ነዚ ወብሳይት እዮም። ንስኽ ሞት ክትፍረድ ኣለካ፤ ባዕለገ። ሓቂ እንተለካ ኬድካ ን ወያነ ካብ ዶብ ኣውጻዮም ኣብዚ ኮንካ ናይ ኢንተርነት ኣንበሳ እባ ንስኻ ግርም።

          • selam

            Dear Mizan

            what happen now , you were nice except the one word you throw to me. have you not saying this to me . That is how it feels when people try to intimidiate and tell you this and that. I have never replied from zero. Now it is your turn in which i find it nice to see both go arm to arm.some one is to throw stone around his house .

          • Mizan

            ሰላም፤ ግዲ ብልክን እታ ናይ ዓንቶዎይ ምስ ሓያት ኣደም ሓደ ልቢ ሓደ ህዝቢ አዩ ዝበልኩዎ እያ እትሕሞ ዘላ፤ ትግርኛ ኣንቢቡ ዝክእል ከማን ኣይመስልንን ግን ንስኪ ኣጆኺ ብኡኡ ኣይትሕመሚ፤

          • Nitricc

            what is up Ermias, Biniam, Mizan; how are your children? don’t you think should spend time with them than arguing with Nitricc Diqala? you are fooling no one; loser.

          • Mizan

            መን ኣንቢብልካ፥

          • Nitricc

            Ermias remember, we used to be friends but always fighting. i know all your moves. when ever you are mad at me; you insult me in Tigrigna. so, when your replay in Tigrigna i knew i tough the nerve. why haid though. we know you are a member of the Eshi-Goytay crowd, so what?

          • Hope

            Ohh,come on Mizan!
            U hurt my feeling!

          • Mizan

            Why? Are you Nitricc by any chance?

          • Kokhob Selam

            I still don’t know why you are here. Just days back you support the present of PFDJ and now you are for change but in wrong way just to confuse people. I love you.

          • Hope

            Is this Ermias,if I may ask?
            Good points Gherhi but smart and well balanced chap!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            I can’t believe what I am reading from these people who are completely blinded to the truth. They are wild. Reasoning is out the window. I am not talking about the likes of tes, and nitric, two of a kind but the rest you think would have some semblance of reasoning.
            .
            I don’t know how you do it but you bring their “zar” to the surface. They are wild, I can hear their growling and moaning as if they have been pinched. I wish I know how to do it.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            You know our zar and you are right. Thank yo for that.

            On the other side, no single Eritrean dropped a piece of word in support of Hayat or kind of “ajoki forsa ba”. Ask those who can translate it into Tigrigna.

            By the way, do you differentiate between:

            Truth?
            Reality?
            Rational decision?

            I think Hayat is not talking about truth but rational decision. She is right when she talks about the realities of Eritrean problems, in which I agree with her upto this regard, but I objected her before for the so she call a rational decision to ask help of intervention and so am I doing now. It is purely humanistic centered not of political nature. Unfortunately she has no heart for humanity.

            Then, by what measures are you coming and encourage her for her killers plan? Are you that much far from humanity? Forget about her political line of thinking. She fooled almost everybody including meby camouflaging herself as her way of thinking. But now, she exposed herself that she hates group thinking, just like that of PFDJ. She wants one-woman order.

            How morally weak you are to come and encourage this weaked lady? I understand why you did but just to tell you how I despise your sentence.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes and selam,
            .
            Have you followed her writings for some time as I have. She is tough, intelligent and sticks to the truth even when it is not convenient. She is seeing big problems on the horizon, bigger than it is today if you can imagine. Some people can see further and more clearly than most of us, you know. She is looking for help to avoid that.
            .
            I will ask you the questions, do you think she would like to see blood shed in Eritrea? Do you think seeing Eritrean men women and children suffer is what she wants.? For what?
            I think quite the opposite. She wants to avoid that but the only fire truck available is across the street and they are not willing to risk it. She is asking us to sacrifice too.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            IF she accepted the crime of the Ethiopian leaders and we Eritreans have been under criminals for so long and also if the Eritrean people see PFDJ as the number one enemy on top of that if WEYNAE the evil ones care about Eritrean people yes. She is right. But the Eritrean people will not accept any thing from Ethiopian and you force them to accept the rage in and do what ever it takes to falg out weyane and give I a long lasting throne , that you both have to think.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I will get you back one day. You are not that far from my Newton’s law of reaction. But today, for Hayat’s sake, I will leave you on your duty. I am just spotting your lines. Take care.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            Thanks, tes, but the weapon of my choice is Charles Darwin. The survival of the fittest, if that is o.k with you.
            .
            K.H

          • Amde

            Kim,

            Well played ma’am – well played. It is the long game.

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde.,
            .
            Thanks, I think you meant…Well played man.
            This is the westernized name, like Sal. Lemen enetenanekalen.
            .
            K.H

          • Amde

            Oh my bad. Why did i always think of Kim Hanna as an essua? Irjinnam allebign yetaweqe new.. sorry for the confusion.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            The fittest will survive but only till the centripetal and centrifugal forces are in place according to newton’s law. Or you are chosing a short cut to vanish into the black-hole, where everything ends without trace. Chose from the two.

            tes

          • selam

            Dear K.H
            You have open heart and mind and also full of reasoning .Please try tell us what is good about hayat ? , what is that she have one thing good ? just mention one thing that you think she is honest debater in this open forum ? How is the changing from and to working for you then ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            ጫዉ ጫዉ ኣቢላቶም ዋዛ እንተኾይና ሓያታ ::እሞ ወላ ሓደ ኳ ኣይከኣላን በጃካ ዓጀውጀው :ኣንበሲት !!

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Even you got lost your truck bro. Jumping and praising will not help. Stick please to your honor. Hayat doesn’t deserve any respect or praise from a peace loving man unless there is a heck

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            all the day she was alone facing you all. just when you got peaceful time read her post and read all. in doing so, you will find she was not wrong. she was simply in high position unreachable when someone is far. Here was good lesson, Nitricc went high a bit p trying to catch you guys- he become toothless opposition just trying hard to get a camp against Hayat. you came down and join the crowed. Lol that is nice also. she is creative, and she shape camps today.

            really you don’t have any logic to go against her. I will remain with her and I will be missing you. “ገድሊ ተላሊ እሞ ተፈላሊ” we will have to accept this painful truth and I will always love you.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I want to remind you before you depart. “I will never live in the past but I will learn from it” The good thing is, you lost the truck when you can’t catch-up more on the progress. The energy I have will not accomodate you to tell you franckly. I know you are a peace loving but you are living in the past. I commend you but hey I need to accomplish your journey. How can I help till I die only the habesha kingdom fighters. I have family that have never a chance to talk about themselves and never eat a bread three times a day.

            And I hope you will catch-up at least in the final day for peaceful greetings. I will miss you with your habeshanism and double nationality better building sister countries but in one – is that cofederation or kind of..

            Am I confused. I told you I had unresolved issues before. I am just reminding you in case.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            brother, if I leave in the past, I could have said otherwise. I open my wide heart to everybody. you may have been among the people on the bottom of my heart and one time you jump somewhere. I didn’t depart anywhere I am right on my stand. see, the style we chose may differ but if our target of cleaning PFDJ is there we will join. Hayat’s way is one way among ways and she was explaining to you and others without labeling. she has been accused by most for standing in principle. she was bold enough and challenged you and others. I support her Idea and I didn’t go against your stand ether only not convinced as I see going against PFDJ on the way Saay 7 and you chose . above all what makes me surprise was your character was your way against Hayat, you use the style of PFDJistas, I also do that when I deal with every PFDJ because that is the style they can understand, even though not always

            you make things complicated and you were appreciated by those die hard useless guys. at once you fail from my eyes. you can’t imagine how much I became disappointed. then I notice you the most intelligent and brave have been governed by your ego this time. I Know we will join somehow as we are similar people. just take it easy , unlike those ex-pfdj supporters you have a firm stand for peace and love.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            Please lets get a lawyer to have the divorce paper ready by now . It is too much for me to see my children see you kick me by your dirty foot. I will demand to take all the house and all bank deposits and every thing . The assets from long term investment venture will be divided in two and our children will have their share.After that i will ask the court to see my case in order to finance our investment in rebuilding our new castle on the side of the sea. I hate hate hate the train thing.
            Selam

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selamino, I jumped this (I didn’t see it),,,I don’t need lawyer at all against lawless and everyone who try to hide his tendency and cheat me to be against PFDJ is foolish(I am not saying you but even those who keep playing words with high knowledge). there is a simple formula to expose them, you will find them blaming others and try repairing PFDJ.

          • selam

            Kokhob

            Repair HGDEF ? there is no way that HGDEF can be repair . I am sure there are people who wish to repair but the time has passed and it was in 2001 and also 2003 so no going back. We are going forward with new bright one. What i oppose is the mechanism to bring the new and bright one.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I think every road can lead us to Asmara. and sure Eritrea will never face division like Libya or mess like Egypt. the only choice we should do is the quality one. Yes, we should not underestimate PFDJ but we should not overestimate ether. honestly speaking I believe in action not in continuous meetings here and there. I don’t believe staying for all in all umbrella like what we use to do for years, well armed one party should just fight right on the ground. and still think it is a good chance to use Ethiopia for logistical service and back ground fast possible. and then it is when you go and catch land that you gain your own back ground for your service. if you start to be strong the internal part of PFDJ will also go against his party. the “internal change” is already ready but needs practical people to move from any angle.

          • selam

            It is quite easy to talk about military when you sit on the other side . what you people need to understand is HGDEF has almost 70,000 people who they could care less and the Eritrean people have no say over. They can just block any road possible and crush any movement. You know PFDJ has no shortage of money or what so ever logistics . What we need is to use the media to convince the Eritrean people that there is another choice which is better than HGDEF. Unless military solution will give chance to HGDEF the next 10 to 20 years to sit on their throne. The Eritrean people stil see weyane as sole enemey and they hold weyane responsible for every thing bad that happens in Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            “ገድሊ ተላሊ እሞ ተፈላሊ” – Yep, we saw it in the long journey of ghedli. And this happened with the opportunists who take principles as situational state of affairs. They walk with you for certain walks, and when time becomes tough, it doesn’t take them time to swing to the opposite side, and deploy their arsenals against you. Ala Ghedli, it taught us the complex behavior of human being – we saw the real comrades who give their lives for you, and the opportunist who betray you and stub you on your back.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes teacher, but every time someone fail from the journey and goes against us we get multiplied strength and we continue. and it is a mater of time to see them thrown which we are forced to pick up everyone of them. “ተመሊስካ ተልዕሎ ሓውካስ ደርቢኻዮ ኣይትኺድ” ከምዝበሃል ኩሉ ተመሊሱ ናዓና ኮይንና ብሓቦን ጽንዓትን : ብልቦናን ልውሃትን ከነዕሪ ተገዲድና :: ዛንታና ዛንታዝተደራረቢ ግድል :ኣብ ውሽጢ ስቃይ ዘሎ – ደስታ ገድሊ !

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            I didn’t catch the Tigrinya saying. The point that when somebody suggests let us do A.B.C instead of saying no for this reason or that reason, to simply go off as if your fuse is lit is incredible. This is happening in the same family and in the final analysis for the same goal. The peace and prosperity of the Eritrean people.
            .
            For example, I believe selam really means well for the Ethiopian people too. But if a certain key words are mentioned, she looses control and can’t see straight. It is sad because if everybody is pulling in all direction there will be no moving from the spot we are in. There has to be reasoning.
            .
            K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks K.H,
            Their true zar comes when some inconvenient truths are told. For some smart people knowledge is not seen as an honest interpretation of the truth and as a tool to find better ways of aligning one’s self to that truth so that you have a better and controlled reality than a pure happenstance or an after effect reality. What they prefer to do is the opposite: impose a controlled knowledge on us so that we end up having a wrong interpretation of the truth.
            You would say people like Saay and Mahmuday are people who have seen and read much more than I and probably Kokobay. They are people who can write and communicate their messages in a much sophisticated way than I and probably Kokobay. They are people who know a lot better and bigger than me. They are people who have been involved in Eritrean matters in a much bigger way than me. Of course, I would have loved to simply shut up my mouth and listen to such guys. And it is not that we haven’t listening to them. But what they have been giving us is a poison. And they come and tell you that they might have killed a person and a bird; and that they are ready to admit their crime on the bird and say “nah, no apologies!” on the other. It is difficult to confront such people because they write well, they speak well, they are well read.
            But, I’m glad I’m Hayat rather than them, and I’m glad Kokob is Kokob than them. Because at the end of the day, truth is bigger than knowledge. You align your thinking with the truth, you can catch up with the knowledge. You lose truth, you lose everything. Wisdom fares much better than knowledge. The world has been suffering because of evil knowledgeable and evil ignorant people. The world has never suffered from a people of wisdom. It is aligning with the truth that makes you wise. Wisdom is now a scarce commodity in Eritrea not because it was meant to be so but because ghedli and these people like Saay have been assaulting it mercilessly.
            On the other hand, there are people who are wise and sophisticated all together (Saleh Gadi, Sem A, Emma etc) are examples. I am one who looks up at such people for inspiration. In 1998, we had few individuals who stood alone and few organized groups because I also know some great people in ELDM who had a similar stand against the war. They said then, this war is wrong. Imagine if these wo/men were listened to, how Eritrea and Ethiopia could have been saved. The reason why there were no many listeners then is because there were other guys busy confusing people and blowing a fuse on promoting the war. The capability of these guys in disillusioning people is unimaginable. They create myth, they package their own reality curved out of falsehood. The bad news is even if you buy that from them it denies you stability and peace because such realities cannot be sustained and there is always a continuous friction with the bigger and real truth.
            If you notice, I don’t usually bring Ethiopia myself here. It is whenever an inaccurate or a flat out lie is advanced that I comment. My motive of exposing their lies is way stronger than defending Ethiopia. And their zar comes out then. Truly speaking I don’t have a feeling or responsibility of defending Ethiopia at all. I don’t think Ethiopia needs me on that but I need Ethiopia for other bigger purposes.
            First, I want to end the exodus. That is tantamount to stopping a bleeding to me. I want to prevent state collapse and civil war in Eritrea. Then I have dreams. I dream of grand developmental transformations in the region where trade and talent transactions happen at a speed; where tourists of the would roam in and out without a worry to refer to travel warning issued by their embassies; villages and towns are interconnected with transport and communication infrastructure; where the skies and airports are busy with landing and taking off passenger and goods airplanes.
            These spoilers and messengers of ruckus want to hold the region down tied up with trivial and backward sentiments and reductionist hostilities forever. Why do you stand on our way!!! When we want to talk about unleashing the service business potential of our ports, they want us to talk about Badime. Look, whenever we are talking about Badime, how you are losing the bigger and the future. They know they have burned all their cards on Badime and there is nothing they can do buy just bluffing and badmouthing. They know it but they want it to remain an agenda to bringing all the fogs and smokes of hate to sustain the misery. So, their zars come when you touch upon good things. They are the dark forces of hate.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            Thanks for your enlightening response. I have read it and I am going to read it again. Thanks for your
            courage and tenacity too. Each time I read you I always wish that Pappillion could spend a little time with us too.
            .
            K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Kim,
            There is no one who misses Papillon more than I do. I’m sure she would have taken some of the bullets for me had she been around. It wouldn’t mean she agrees with me all the time on my ideas but should ridicule the medda style campaign of pfdjista gangs here. I thank you for sharing some of the heat from me, too.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hayata,
            No Hayata, no one misses her more than me..even you. I use to miss her while she was still around writing. the time in between her posts I waited always to read what she will say. while I love everybody but some have special place in my heart. I am hopping she and Hailat will come again and say “here we are” wow ! imagine it.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi KS and Hayat:
            We are missing Yodita and Pappi. I enjoyed both, but I feel somehow responsible when Yodita disappeared immediately after she did not like my harsh commentaries regarding the artists and intellectuals in Eritrea, but both were sharp and effortless writers and thinkers. Sara O is also a gem in par with them, but she does not comment often.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I think Yodita is around. she sometime use to do that. she disappears for some time and come putting her wonderful post. by the way do you think awate team know where about of all ? if so I wish they send them massages to be around. anyhow if they are ok and healthy, that is what we need most.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Lol, that wasn’t ordinary Zar, that was not even Zar 44 that was Zar 88.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Lol, that wasn’t normal /ordinary one. That wasn’t even Zar 44 that was Zar 88.

      • Tzigereda

        Dear Tes,
        Today I saw Tesfa and Birhan in you! Thank you! Courageous step!

    • Gebrekirstos

      Hayat, when I think of your situation, I see a courageous women, who in the face of relentless defamation, name calling, mountains of lies and smear campaigns, never flinches from her principle, truth, and reconciliation. When everyone does not seem to see beyond one leg of the elephant, you see the vast fields and terrains from a mountaintop. It is always a delight to read you. In the end, truth and humanity will prevail, you are certainly on the side of history.

      • selam

        Dear Gebre

        Do you think these few who are in your government payments cheque are Well intended Eritreans , if they where we could have done it long time ago .

        Any one from a back of the computer will say any thing. That is what you are doing . Unless how can any one who call for humanity support war between to brotherly people . Is there some thing for sale here.

        You people are sick and backward , have no shame to defend your genociders and now calling for more blood shed , what kind of mind do you people have ?. Is not enough that we have shed more blood in the past . Do you want more blood to shed ? What kind of assurance do you have that Ethiopia will do what you are saying.

      • Hayat Adem

        Thank you Gebre,
        I can’t believe so many people can be so allergic to the truth and to the better. But there are always wise and acute observers like your self. Truth struggles a lot at the seed stage and once it started greeting the sun, it spreads fast and vast.
        Hayat

    • selam

      The best model ever in Ethiopia

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSGLs4IasI

    • AOsman

      Dear Hayat,

      After Husni Mubarek got his 100 % vote in an election, an Egyptian sheikh once commented saying “even God would not get 100%” to show the absurdity of the result. The uproar was immediate (be ready for the smacks).

      Your defending of the 99.8% EPRDF parliamentary seat by mentioning 100% as statistically possible is also absurd. You can have progress, even an accelerated one, with dictatorship if your #2,#3 points are sufficient reason to tolerate the tight grip. But there is no point sugarcoating it, you are sounding like the HGDFites when you defend EPRDF at any occasion.

      Regards

      AOsman

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear AOsman,
        Look, when I look at you in the physical sense, I don’t look at you head and stay there, or you shoes and stay there, or the bottle of water you are holding in your hand and stay there. I look at you as a full person. I look at Eritrea as a full nation. I look at PFDJ as a full system. I get my sense of bad or good from that generality.
        The issue at the center is whether the struggle against PFDJ needs help from Ethiopia or not. There are people against such idea. That is one issue. There are people like myself who okays it and advocates for it. What is taking me there is when they invoke about a one term election and democracy and trying to discredit the opposition forces from trying their best using available resources and help around. That plays into the tune of calling people not to support the opposition unless they disassociate themselves with Ethiopia. That is a perfect work book for extending the life span of PFDJ. That is probably until there is a chance to make some ground work to remove Isaias and do the reform called PFDJ2. It is clear, they are not interested in importing democracy at all. T. Kifle is right. Why do we need to make democracy a condition for receiving help?

    • Nitricc

      Letekidan; this your real story. You can dispense your duty with lies and deception; I understand you got to earn your living but look what your leaders are doing. This is how they lie to their people. This was told on TV.
      No body gives a flying you know about what you have to say but the life of me, why can’t you leave Eritrea alone. You told us everything about you and not only you are rejected by Eritreans; even the Ethiopians on this forum told you to get lost. By the way this post was intended a response for SAAY; right? Do you understand when people reject you and people think of you that you are not worth of their time? Why are you keep posting? It is Time for you to find something different to do. I think you are maxed out in defending the TPLF thugs.
      Here is your leader got caught on the act. and what was said on TV by your FM.

      “Foreign Minister Tedros Adhanom’s scandalous bedtime fairy tale that he told to the people of Ethiopia on TV, radio and social media about a 14-year old schoolgirl that came all the way from Australia with A$ 20 million dollars in prize money to partner with the regime has suffered a fatal blow and caused widespread outrage.

      “I am 14 years old and I have been awarded $40 million. I want to donate it. I hope you believe me Dr. Can we have a picture with you and post it on FB?” a commenter mocked the minister. Many commenters vented their anger on the foreign minister and the TPLF-led regime, which they accused of being addicted to lies including jailing and torturing innocent citizens on trumped-up charges of terrorism and treason. Many have pointed out that the teenager is a victim of the TPLF-led regime that tried to use her to hoodwink Ethiopians. Corrupting the morals of a child is considered a criminal offense in Australia and many other countries.”

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc,
        Saay has ignored me and I think I’m suffering from that a lot. I would do anything to get him to talk to me. Perhaps, can you take a message for me to him of my desperate regret that I dared to challenge him and that I’ve known my place now and I’ll never ever try to do that again? Can you save my , please?:)
        Forget the FM Tedros, I’ve no time for him, but I have for you. Why don’t you tell about the Hawzien video you watched and post me the link? Saay is still calling you the truth teller and you should honor this rare recognition and live without lying or provide a proof when asked.
        Hayat

  • Nitricc

    SAAY; simply out standing! There was a time I used to argue with SAAY when it comes to history; I was telling him how I hate history and how history is toothless. Well, after long exchange, SAAY departed with one advice, and SAAY said,
    “Think what ever you want about history but with out it; you are always incomplete” those words kept ringing deep inside of me. So, I started reading, digging and what I have found and understood is, simply amazing. Most importantly I know that I don’t know.
    While I am reading and digging I am also trying to answer few questions. For instance; what was the root cause for Eritreans to shape them as who they are and what variables influenced them to go through the path they have went and who they are today?
    I have read many people describing Eritrean’s as a people of sacrifice, straggle and of course; the great Gedli. All that is true but, not all; one must ask what were the main reasons and the cause for the sacrifices, the straggle and Gedli to happen? Nothing other than the Unfairness Eritreans have endured; one after another. Every page you dig in Eritrean history there are unfair toward the Eritrean people. Italy, British, UN, the Ethiopians, the illegal and unfair UN sanction currently Eritrea is in, the world failing to force the border decision by which the Ethiopians signed final and binding. All this has contributed to Eritrean’s mentality, to be sensitive to unfairness.
    Many Eritreans wonder why the Eritrean oppositions failed to make an inch of progress despite severe short coming and blunders by the Eritrean government. It should have been easy to challenge the Eritrean government and force to bring some change. Why is it, then so difficult?
    Well, I believe when the Eritrean opposition failed to be fair and honest; and kept accusing the Eritrean government for every thing under the sun; everything and the more they pressed in all doom and gloom the silent majority kept activating its unfairness defense mechanism and kept rejected the opposition despite endless screw ups by GoE.
    The ingredient for successful Eritrean opposition is simple.
    The first thing for any opposition to do is, change the culture of opposition, be fair. Blaming the government of Eritrea and PIA 24/7 is not the way forward; it will get you no where; if it does, you have tried it the last many years and it didn’t work. Because you are an opposition, it does not mean you have to oppose the very truth. Openly talk and give the credit for the good things that the government is doing and at the same time present your case why change is needed. This is the only way you will get the silent majority to listen and give you the attention you seek.
    Stay out of Ethiopia and Mekkele.
    Involve the Youth; you keep accusing PIA for being in power for ever; yet, I see the same names rotating on the opposition power structure.
    Show you care about the national security of the nation. Stand for the border demarcation according the rule of law.
    However; my personal believe is this. There will be a change in Eritrea but not through opposition or any military mutiny but PIA himself will be part of the change. And I think that is the best option for Eritrea. Why do I believe that; the guy is no dummy; he is running out of time and he knows it!

    • Semere Andom

      Hi everyone and Gen.Nit

      What did you notice in this post from Gen.Nit? It is his embrace of history and we have to celebrate it folks, it is big deal, it marks his slow, painful, agonizing, sluggish but minute departure from PFDJ, the world renowned haters of history. Well, they hate everything education you say, yes but they like their auto mechanics, carpenters and electricians and accountants but historians are the most hated bunch in PFDJ land. So today, this morning, those who drink wine drink a glass for the passionate embrace of Gen.Nit and history, those of you who do not drink wine please raise a toast with your Starbucks lattes or green tea cups to mark this day. And the Sal should write a sequel, “I was Right.”

      Having said that however Dear Gen.Nit, let me say this:

      The opposition’s job is not point the good things that the government is doing, but to oppose everything it does, not to oppose it just to necessarily stop it in its tracks, but to improve on the good things that the one in power is doing, to align it with the opposition’s politics. Even if they end up voting for it, they should “bitch” about it, meaning they have to raise issues to elevate it a notch that is the opposition’s role. The opposition has been fair in blaming PFDJ, you call it a government that is fine 😉

      But you are correct they have to change doing what they did for the last decade will not bring any change.

      It is not the location of the opposition, it is their performance and their principle and goals that matters and you have not evidence to show that they are there to sell Eritrea to Dedebit.

      Now to the ridiculous, the spoiler line of your comment: IA will be part of the change. IA has never being part of any change in his history of helming the organization. And if by miracle he does, it is too late. I believe that he wanted to be a great one, win the noble prize, be canonized as Saint IA of Tselot or Temben, or where ever he hails from and he had that chance, but his past, his bloody hands cannot allow him to be agent of change and in the process risk to lose power, he needs the power to hand write his legacy and that legacy is not yet finished, he needs his first born to finish that for him. His fate will be disgrace, a self-inflicted one. Everyone who even mildly opposed IA has been slapped, example Hibret Berhe, disappeared to “Siberia,” G-15 or murdered, the Menkae

  • tes

    Dear Atosenay,

    Sometimes a child is necessary to be in a house. Concerning kissing, I think you didn’t follow my strong critic to saay7. It is almost for year since he abandons me. It is all known to every forumer here. I have never agreed with his approach before except in this article. In this article, he came with a real uniting and strong article and I commended him for that. Concerning Gadi, he is man which I never disagreed with him in this forum. I didn’t go to kiss him but his articles are always a light for me. I see beyond the wall everytime I read his article. He elevates me. I once described him as rocket head and still he is. Saay7 is a fuel as I said before and we all know a rocket can not fly an inch without a fuel. Just it happened before that I was not liking his fuel as he was using a fuel that produces pollution to the political environment. Emma, he is my mentor. I said this thousand times and still he is. And it is because of his wisdom I learned that I interjected. He always was doing that when the discussion seemed deviating from the core current situation. He was always reminding us to leave history for historians and I just repeated his words. I didn’t criticize him. I used his wisdom to remind his approach when ever I feel that he is out of his line of thinking. And I do believe that wisdom is not something that is solid. Wisdom is the heart of good people.

    Else, you have a right to describe me in how you see me. I am writing in a public forum and it is upto you and the readers to evaluate me. And I accept what ever evaluation you have on me. The good thing is I am doing things with full consciousness and I am responsible for what I say.

    Saying this, I welcome you from your hibernatng zone. I am hopeful to learn from you.

    tes

  • Mizan

    Atosenay, sorry for ‘the interjection.’ Although I don’t always agree with Tesfabirhan’s comments, I think what you wrote here fits perfectly with Nitricc instead of Tes. Specially what you said after you wrote ‘one more thing:’. Look at my punctuation. My coworker recently debated the legitimacy of this.

  • Yoty Topy

    What a cheerful article 🙂

  • Adrob

    Merhab Saleh,
    ya baldina ya habob abujalbya watob, ajuba wa siderya wal sief walsekin ya semeh ya zien,.. nihna ma geyafa..ya abu salah

    H’na seb meta’Het…” to the Tigre/Blin/Bedawiyet/Afar …wa intum seb adbir to kebesa/tigray.
    Bilen speak the language bilen and of shili/dishkili and arabic, to Beja of alabitay arabic is not new. Afar leaders are ahal alazahar.
    The core issue is not the language, it is the common factor/cause, that we call despotism. I think the push of ELL is a good one and it will make sense with time. Hence it will awake our inattentive brian with many questions.What is the meaning of the so called Eritrea witout ones heritage?Is Eritrean unity compulsory or based on freedom and respect? Can any one tell me she/he is eritrean without naming her/his origin? when we look at eritrea today can we see the purpose of independence? Or may be a new project bust in. And we are all weared and talking with hade libe hade hezbi in a one man show scene. What about the coming war between the landgrabers and ELL, who is guilty? or both are victim of the course of compulsory unfication?

    • saay7

      Hala Adrob!

      Baw! I like the jalabiya watob; ajuba wa seder… but I am not that crazy about wal sief walsekin:)

      saay

  • selam

    I always believe and say the common man work is a great force if it is taken seriously by our elite opposition . They just have to invest their time wealth in convincing the Eritrean people that PFDJ is evil and we can do better .
    At least do that in the West because you people are coming every summer for sunshine . Most Eritrean communities in the west are divided across party lines and they have no common urgency to topple the current dictator. They love to post things in Facebook and have interview get their residence paper after that get a job done. They ring , ring , ring every sunday to their motherland and ask how is so so so ….it continues . It is none stop. Now we have a situation where you listen more people make news where our brothers and sisters drowned on the sea and post their body on face book , using every word . Yet we are going in droves and if you ask where do you want go . America , canada , all over Europe. How will you go then , cross to ethiopia and go to the camp and from camp continue to Addis and then arrange the way to sudan , libiya and then luck to the see then italy. None stop for almost 15 year. IA will be very very happy to see the people cross to Ethiopia and then sudan then Italy then some paris . PFDJ are well aware that people are going in great numbers but they also know that these people who crossing are good to their family while IA and his cronies take the money so it is win to win situation. The difference is the freight and VAT are very very expensive to Eritrea as a nation. WE are trading on unrecoverable commodities that will run out of market and also that will lose on the market.
    Have you ever say how fast this person grown up , when you see them in facebook or some where.

    Most people can see and take what is happening in the fabric of Iraq and the Iraqi people. As they are grappled by the current situation like IS and other horrible problems , they still continue to blame America by a great margin like 99%.
    Why does any Iraqi does not want american soldiers running on their streets ? What is the reason behind this all ?
    One strong reason is the perversion of the Iraq people to ward aggressors . Bully are always bully they never learn their mistakes , they always want their way.Who has the perfect image of the iraq war in his mind , how they try to sell their idea with out any plan B to the iraqi people.They want just their plan to win and do the dirty job. The americans have tried every option to make a good friends with the iraqi people , even they tired to shipp containers of dollars to the iraqi elites and make them capitalist on the back door of their people. Then we have seen the result. Yet even at this horrific time Iraqi people said again and again Americans are not welcomed and they prefer their own peoples choice.

    The mess they( USA) have done is still to continue for the foreseeable future , We do not need an expert to tell us why the Iraqi does not want any thing from America.

    What is the similarities between IA and Sadam , they are both dictators and they both love power and despise their people.So what is wrong if you take out this dictator with great force and gave the power to some elite like some people in Ethiopia . I mean they can not be as bad as IA. After all they are promising us to have a good civil government with full transparency , at least on paper .What is it the Eritrean people by 100, 000 of them in Ethiopia suffering as far as getting 15Kg wheat per month ? why they do not pick the Gun and come to Asmara get ride of IA. Why are they spending their time for at least 10 years just doing almost the same job of 15Kg wheat ? Ask yourself why are they wasting their time ?They are trained soldiers and they know how to use the gun and the know the places in and out so why ?

    Does it may be they know better than every body in America or Europe , or they do not have the will to do that.
    DO you remember 5 mesree in 1995 in Eritrea and even do you know the secret job of the Sudanese government ?How on Earth such things never happen in great numbers now? Does the Eritrean people know far better than the ESHI GOYTAY. Or they simply accepted evil job of HGDEF is not similar to dergi so better off to die with PFDJ.
    It is amusing to see people of full braveness kneel down to such dictator in great numbers ,I simply ask how do the Eritrean people cut the throat of dergi and stay silent to the same Animal ? That must be answered and analysed by the opposition , they should simply come to the reality and worked it out.
    The only people that can be blamed for this is the old personalities who talk more do nothing, The people who love to talk and bluff has wasted much of their time making journey from America , Europe to Ethiopia to hammer out a deal with weyane , still they are changing from time to time. On the way the majority of the Eritrean people who are living under great great inhuman way rejected to pick a gun with weyane.

    It is time we pack our chairs from Ethiopia and may be do it in DJIBOUTI, Because the word WEYANE in Eritrea is equal to he kill my son and he come now again .They never saw IA as their number one enemy they still see weyane as evil enemy of them ,that perception has to change until that time , try your best from WEYANE and you will never ever see the day light of freedom in Eritrea.

  • Hayat Adem

    Selamat everyone,
    Few mixed bag points on this article
    On the main message:
    The main message proposes that the opposition should do certain things: 1) leave the main work to the opposition of home land, 2) avoid Ethiopia 3) design an approach and content that is less scary and revolutionary.
    I was eager to hear if there was a homeland opposition to be announced but Sal with his usual style turned around and told us not to underestimate confrontations here and there. More of this mention of Homeland opposition is either from imagination or if there is any new cooking, it is left for us to imagine the ghost. So the only opposition we know are the ones in exile. And.the only advice that came from this article is to leave things to unknown ghost. The 2nd point here, avoid Ethiopia, is not new and it has been floated by this writer now for a while. What makes it bizarre is the claim that the reason why the opposition is not winning the hearts and minds of people from inside is because of its association with Ethiopia. Sal is one of the people who never get tired of writing against a relationship between the opposition and Ethiopia. He was never shy to tell us his reasons: TPLF is not any better or may be worse; dependency is bad; people are scared of Ethiopia’s influence etc. It is a smart strategy: you demonize as much as you can, and then you use that demonic picture to scare of rapprochements. Lets see it in another perspective: lets assume people are agitated and uneasy to trust opposition forces working from Ethiopia. So you are worried that this public mood will slow the struggle for peace. But you also think if public mood favored it, it would have lent a lot of advantages to speed up the journey. The logic dictates you should be part of the effort in raising awareness in the public to see Ethiopia as a partner and feel comfortable about it. The Easat journalists are just trying to exactly do that for their people, trying to convince Ethiopians to see Isaias as a friend and partner. But we know Sal would never be part of that. His work is first to help you hate Ethiopia and then use that hate as a scaring capital to convince the opposition. But, I think, the intention and plan of distancing the opposition or Eritreans from Ethiopia will never and should never work. I think the reality supports the opposite in that we have more opposition groups that try to make it from Ethiopia; we have the entire Warsai and younger crossing over to the south everyday, Many Eritreans from abroad are considering Ethiopia as a 2nd natural home and travel there for pleasure and business and politiking. Some great people like Amanuel Sahle left Europe and live in Tigray for a closr home-feeling. People like Hope and Araya choose to vacation Ethiopia, a country they repeatedly badmouth. The 3rd one can be seen as part of the package to retain PFDJ without IA. There are names for it: reform, democratic coup, responsible change. But in short it is a call for the opposition to reduce itself to become a support group that responds to whatever reform movements that may be cooking in Asmara. I don’t that is to happen.
    On the peripherals:
    I agree on his take with regard to ELL. I think it is a dangerous move specifically when seen from the timing and the fragility Eritrea is found to be now.
    His claim PFDJ accepted every peace proposal after July 1999 is untrue and embellished.
    Like, Emma, I was tricked to the “I was wrong” title as well. It is like a story I know about a hopeful kummandis during a screening interview. The recruiter asked him, “what would you do if a dangerous criminal prisoner runs away trying to escape?”. The would be kummandis answers, “if he is dangerous, I aim at his head and pulls the trigger; and then I’m on his leg with the 2nd bullet, and just in case I fire a warning shot to the air just in case.” Sal’s admission of wrong on Libya while saying nothing about 1998-2000 is like firing a warning shot after you shot the head.
    Hayat
    .

  • Mizan

    …hence the exodus of a large majority of the great minds….

    • Meron

      Ermias,

      Great minds stay firm in their ground and fight against the odds. That is what the great minds are doing at home and navigate the country to the better tomorrow in the face of massive challenges. They did it yesterday and they are doing it now and they will do it so long they are needed to do so.

      • Mizan

        Nitricc, what world are you living in? Mars? You call what we have at home great minds? They are great pains in the butt to the eritrean people.

        FYI, amanuel has given me a good nickname and I respectfully decline to be referred to as Ermias.

  • ghezaehagos

    Sal,

    Kemey kenika?

    There are hundreds of thousands Eritreans residing in the West and that number is much aided by additions of possibly thousands of new-comers and refugees coming each year. Thanks to the exodus of the youth!

    Point: as much as these of you who are opposed to Ethio-based Eritrean groups are tired of the ‘ineffectiveness’
    of the opposition and ‘toxicity’ of TPLF, the feeling is mutual; we are also really, really tired of listening incessant targeting of Ethio-based groups, with little or no alternative in place. We have a simple but I guess pragmatic response to you. WHY DON’T YOU FORGET ETHIOPIA AND FOCUS on winning the hearts and minds of Eritreans in the West to join the camp of Delyti-Fithi? At the core, this is people’s struggle against tyranny and it shouldn’t be consigned to opposition groups. There are a lot to be done in our cities, communities and countries we live in and there are very, very few groups operating there. Most of these groups do have bases, chapters in Ethiopia because for some Ethiopia is merely a geographical neighbor where Eritreans happen to reside. The truth is the harvest is big and the workers are few.

    Yes, Sal, let us be honest here!, Look into our communities and we know (perfectly know) how hard it is to mobilize them in an effort to expand the opposition base (phrase from SJG). It takes time, resources and dedication. But so does anything worth pursuing. Even with the exclusive focus, on ‘change-from-inside’, it proved to be still hard. Now we can agree this has got absolutely nothing to do with Ethiopia.

    At any rate, when these of us who ask us to disengage from Ethiopia do a better job of leading, there isn’t a single reason why we wouldn’t follow. The results will speak for themselves and you may not even need us. Until then, these of us who support struggle anywhere, including Ethiopia, will continue to be the mainstream opposition to Isaias regime because given the choices we have, it still remain the better one.

    Point again is: The Eritrean opposition may have 99 problems; Ethiopia, ok, may be one of them. The 99th one. (Re-repeating Jay Z.)

    Yours,

    Ghezae Hagos

    As for ‘change-will-come-from-inside’,fine and dandy. Let it come as long as it is really people-centered change, it perfectly goes well as part and parcel ‘by-all-legal-means’.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Well said brother. I can’t add more.

  • tes

    Dear Chef,

    You proved rightly you were wrong. Now I see an emancipated Saleh Younis, aka saay7. A very uniting article, super. For sure the chef has an obvious reason not to sterilize his dish but pasteurization can also be fine as it produce not tangible/significant effect if treated well. And logically, it is not always mandatory for a chef to sterilize his long used utensils.

    I want also to commend you for excelling in selecting the right spices, Turf from Italian valley, Palma.

    tes

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Saleh:
    Welcome!

    I wished. I got my Wish. I hope I did not wish 🙂

    On the opposition:
    I agree, we failed, not only that the failure was miserable and even what you described as success can be attributed to PFDJ’s relentless abuses of the people. The success the opposition registered on the awareness arena was buoyed by PFDJ, we have PFDJ to thank for this, as they could have lived happily by letting up little to make life normal in Eritrea. The opposition followed on the track record of Ghedli, it can only accomplish one thing, exposing PFDJ to the bone. Like the Ghedli it failed uniting the people and removing the yolk.

    On Change:
    You are not wrong here, you always believed that, at least as far as I can remember. It is the safest for us as people and this way can easily be uniting, but the caveat is, it has to come from the good people close enough to the power, removing the head does not work if the replacement was a “stem cell” of the head. It will also not come by an Eritrean spring, it is my belief that the culture we have developed and the way the regime has configured the society are not conducive this mass disobedience. If Asmara University was still open where idealist young people were getting educated, if the national service was not indefinite and young, energetic people were roaming the streets of Asmara, Keren and Mendefera normally, the Eritrean Spring notion would have sprung before the Libyan Spring.

    The longer dictators have ruled the country the messier the change becomes, Somalia, Libya and Iraq all that ails them is dictators rule with unfettered grip for a long time

    Revolution and change are chaotic and unpredictable by nature and people are hopeful that the change they commit to will result in better times, but they know there is no guarantee, the only guarantee is that people will die working for something that is not guaranteed. Ghedli was the same thing and the result was replacing a dictator by a dictator. Libya was unfortunate, but you seem to insiate that Libyans were Bette off staying put with Gadhafi one brutal dictator is better than what they have now. I would take my chances with an Eritrean Spring aided by foreigners that to languish under the “safety” of our current for dictator. You will be worse than you have it now is the no so subtle message that PFDJ is sending and that the people seem to accept with their ambivalence toward teh opposition not withstanding the latters failures.

    I suggest the title to be I was once described by a friend as hopelessly optimistic. He was wrong.

    On the communication of IA;

    We agreed before on this skill. But I believe that it is not because he employs Sinkenian method, but because he talks the way the “Choggar Dangga” talk, they see themselves in him, they invasion him as an educated “harestay”, as one of them and he is there for them. He uses their diction, “tebenjja” instead of “brret” and when he pulls in the “wedini” card when he was in the USA where the there gathering is composed of both “Wedinis” and Choggar Dangga.”.His peers, who opposed him did not find him that articulate and particularly not an exceptional communicator. They mostly said he is a bully, conniving and manipulative. He was in the right time at the right place, where ELF feeling guilty about its blunders, embraced the Christianises with affirmative action at a time when most of the people were illiterate. Even Alena said that when he saw IA carrying a radio on his back, donning military attire with his thick bear, the image of a prophet came to his mind. And when IA mentioned the name of Alena’s father when Alena told him his village, he fell IA was ‘haway wedi Eney.” It is in this drop-back that he succeeded. I agree with you he is good communicator, but your painting as its God is little “abzban LaEli 😉

    I know you will ask me, how IA convinced the smart, educated, somewhat well-travelled people like Ramadan and his group while he said “Aslam haredtti.” As before, I believe it like the dependent wife married to an abusive husband, she has no skills, no confidence to leave, she puts up with him, hoping he dies and she can inherit the insurance money. IA had demographics, majority of whom were the”tebenja” talking ones and the Ramadans wanted that insurance, they did not have the confidence nor the demographics to go alone after severing their relationship with ELF.

    On ELL:
    Very unique and original take. Thank you

    • saay7

      Selamat iSem and Ghezae:

      Hope you guys don’t mind “ny jimla” answer. (Ghezae, translate for your Khartoum-boy:)

      Ghezae, I will start with you because it is an easy answer: your invitation for a ceasefire is hereby rejected because aggression must not be rewarded! Wait, I think I spent too much time reading Walta and Salome Taddesse in the 1990s.

      But seriously, have you heard people “awate entay tbl alla”? “Paltalk tbl alla”, “Teqawmo entay ygebru alewu”, “America entay tbl alla?” Because of the big megaphone they are given by their supporters, the dependent exiled opposition (whether they are dependent on Ethiopia or European NGOs) tend to control the agenda of the opposition and therefore a ceasefire would only perpetuate our 15 (1999-present) crippled state…. so it would be a mistake for the emerging independent opposition to let the dependent one define it…

      I will see your Jay-Z and raise you a Nas: “I never sleep ’cause sleep is the cousin of death.”

      Wo iSem:

      Ye Ghedli basher you. iSem’s answer to everything: what time is it Sem? It’s half-past-Ghedli failed! What would you like for breakfast Sem? I would like two scrambled eggs and a side of Ghedli failed!

      Ghedli didn’t fail. It told the people I am going to give you a life where you can choose your destiny free of any interference from Ethiopians or any foreign rulers. If you choose to have a life where you decide to be ruled by a tyrant, don’t blame me:)

      On change, thanks for remembering my position, Semere. The part that the Ethio romantics forget is that I am not hesitating from embracing Ethiopian support but an EPRDF-led Ethiopian support for the exact same reason I would want nothing to do with an Omar Al-Beshir-led Sudan (Have you read the leaks of the minutes of Omar Al Bashir’s meetings. He is truly a genocidal man) WHILE we are as WEAK as we are now. Change our dynamics, let’s create a potent self-reliant opposition and I would deal with the devil because then I am not asking him to validate my parking.

      On ELL, have you ever read a report entitled “The British Social Engineering of the Western Province”? Very informative. So far, only the politicians within ELL have spoken; I am just waiting for the nerds within ELL to write something nerdy that I can enjoy:)

      saay

    • Mahmud Saleh

      AbuNoH
      We are witnessing a man taking center stage, Semere wed Andom; I agree with most of what you said; I have no comment on wedi-Afom communication skills. Now, let’s be fair and to the dismay of our “troop members”, PMMZ beats Wedi-Afom on communication skills, that’s an excerpt from a report prepared by Nit.
      There are two points you are missing when it comes to the “help” Ethiopia could give.
      1. Ethiopia will invest in a political body that returns its investment. Now, here, let’s be fair. That’s what donors do, or helpers do; and particularly, when you talk at the level of nations, national interest of the investor comes first. So Ethiopia could go only as far as weak Eritrea could be in sight. Therefore, it will keep giving lip service to the assertive type of Eritreans while investing heavily in non-assertive ” Eshi” type groups who run on national platform; but their main beneficiaries will be regional and Ethnic groups. Think about this when you talk about disrupting state apparatus when you are not ready to assume the vacuum: by ready, I mean a united Eritrean front that replaces PFDJ, and even more, a force that could navigate that sensitive transitional period. Think of the following:
      – Right when the power to be crumbles without an independent Eritrean political force ready to replace it, scenarios such as these could take place; they might be overwhelming for any novice administration: warlordism, separatist movements, fundamentalist movement, nationalist “resistance against the newly imposed statuesque, old political grudges, ransacking of state coffers… PFDJ created problems (social economic…etc. Basically, a chaos. There will be forces who have been favored by Ethiopia which are better organized and armed positioned to influence in favor of Ethiopian expansionist agenda. For instance, the day PFDJ is toppled, if there is a declaration of secession in Dankalia, what do you do? If similar armed groups declare their own “states”? Well, all Ethiopia will do is coming to its side by invoking “protection from across border kinsmen”, Crimea scenario! Or Somaliland…all it does is recognize it and offer protection. That’s the end of the Eritrea you know. I know you will say, ” You’re nuts, our brothers don’t do that. They will even return our occupied lands to us…”, Semere, that’s the game between nations.
      2. OK, I would be thankful to Ethiopia had it demonstrated that it could be a good neighbor by abiding by an agreement it had signed. Ethiopia had already showed us it could not be trusted. Period. Another point here is: Ethiopia has been doing everything it could do as far as support is concerned short of the full-fledged invasion some are calling for. Like I said it earlier, Ethiopians will calculate the risk/benefit, and at this time, or in the future, they are not going to do it for the purpose of toppling PFDJ. Even though Eritrean defense forces are expected to be hurt because of the unjust sanction, Eritrean will to defend their country is still alive. It aint gonna be like walking to Mogadisho. So, why would do that? Plus creating insecure Northern Flank. If you can read current international developments, IA is much better than the opposition in terms of securing his regime. But we will have to read it correctly. The emergence of terrorist fanatics like ISIS, Boko Haram, AlQaeda…Alshabab…in the region, the failures of democratization experiments in Iraq…Syria…Libya… have rattled the nerves of American policymakers. And you know Addis pays attention to its financiers.
      Therefore, the diaspora needs to talk its size; it can’t walk farther a distance than its legs can carry it; it can’t fly higher than its wings can carry it. It needs to say “We are wrong” just as the author put it, and come to its senses. There are many Eritreans who have realized this and are working hard to correct the current strategy of dependence. I’m glad Saleh is one of them.
      There will always be pessimists who have given up on their people, there will be realists who will try to seek help but own their agenda and work to convince Eritreans, and there will be Eritreans themselves, Eritreans who have no other land except Eritrea. They will be the once who will affect the least costly and the smoothest transition. If I have said some unMaHmuday stuff, it’s probably, I am running out of time, the 10 years old is on my shoulder.

      • saay7

        MaHmuday:

        The Ethiopian parliament, which has 547 seats, has 1 opposition member. 1 as in the number next to 0. This according to TPLF is so lopsided– in favor of the opposition. So they harassed and bullied and the one member is no longer running for office in 2010.

        This is the party that our misguided dependent opposition wants to use as partners while downplaying and ridiculing any genuine grassroots opposition.

        I am fairly certain that our brothers, Sem A and Ghezae Hagos will have their eyes open. Meanwhile, carry on Field Marshal: no apologies

        saay

        • Fnote Selam

          Saay and Mahmud,

          The failure, by those who advocate for Ethiopia’s various forms of intervention, to discuss any pitfalls or things that could go wrong or even a little bit of side effects from Ethiopia’s involvement in Eritrea is simply mind boggling. The funny thing is they don’t even have to come any where close to criticizing Ethiopian government in order to discuss those issues.

          FS

        • ghezaehagos

          Hi Sal,

          Very unrelated and inconsequential. Mention one of the powers helping Eritrean armed movements in the past that was remotely democratic…All these Arab and other nations, I mean.

          At any rate, allow me to repost this…”. The only and single power that would stop us from going to Ethiopia is Ethiopia itself. Until then, it is a base and a neighbor and we will work there. Since and you, and other compatriots don’t want to work in Ethiopia, that is fine by us. There are hundreds of other countries you can work on, including the West. Simple. And in these other venues, we will work together…abti bhabar n’serhalu nisrah..abti zeynsemaemalu d’ma memegd’na!….as Barya says, ”…aytesaenen bayta mekalesi..”
          Ghezae Hagos

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            I already told you that once I develop a self-sustaining organization I can deal with the devil. Please speak to EPLF and ELF veterans on their assessment of themselves as self-sustaining organizations. ELF veterans will tell you the beginning of the end for their organization was the 2nd National Congress when representatives from non-democratic countries (Ba’ath party) were perceived as calling the shots. The revival attempts of the ELF (Abdella Idris led) and its reconciliation attempts with ELF-RC were largely thwarted because it (ELF) was then perceived to be too close to Saudi intelligence agencies. The wholesale rejection of the Islamist groups (1980s and 1990s) was because they were perceived as being flunkies of international jihad groups. So please don’t feel picked on: Eritreas recoiled at Baathist, Saudi and Islamist intervention and they will resist ethiopian intervention.

            So please Ghezae, let’s not insisting on forever being naive and forever saying “this time it’s going to be different” because it won’t be because it can’t be. Just take a look at how Ethiopia treats Somalian stakeholders: who are the favorites and who are to be banished.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Ghezae,

            Saay is from those who tarnishes the views of others. If you don’t agree with him, he will tell you don’t be naive, as he already told you below in your comment. He knows everything and others don’t. Look the argument he did below, he act as if he knows more than those who where in the political theater of ELF and EPLF. I would have respond to him, but it is none issue at this time. If they are really in the fight against the regime, there are many venues, even in the western countries, They couldn’t show us. The problem is not the venue, it is the lack of commitment to the struggle. your point, let us work together where can work together and do our own way where we differ is reconciliatory in itself, but I don’t think they will.

      • Fnote Selam

        Dear Mahmud,

        This is probably the best argument I have seen against relaying on Ethiopia. Those advocating for Ethiopia’s role need to do a lot of convincing, I guess. While I think most of them genuinely believe our struggle against PFDJ can benefit from Ethiopia’s help, I can’t help noticing that some of them are playing the Dick Cheney->NYTimes->Dick Cheney game. On the other hand, we all know Ethiopia will try to do everything to have as much an impact as possible on the next Eritrea. How do you think we deal with it? Antagonize it, manage it, develop good relation while owning our agenda? Just want to know what you think.

        Thank you,

        FS.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear FnoteSelam
          just to let you know how much I appreciate your inquisitive yet collected manner. I missed a couple of moments where I really wanted to get back to you and somehow failed to do so. Your spirit of wanting discussions focused on helping us learn from each other rather than using them to score points against an opponent is worth noting. As usual, this question too is very interesting. I promise both of us to have a lengthy discussion on it, I’m sure we will have others joining us. I found your comment late (I don’t know why) and I’m a bit pressed with time, I’m afraid we won’t give it the time it deserves at this time. You are an intelligent Eri-girl.Keep pushing for change without jeopardizing the future of your country. We should not contribute to an eventually that might be worse than pfdj. Better to do it the right way even if that may not be popular.
          Regards.

          • Fnote Selam

            Thanks Mahmud.

            BTW, it is Eri-boy, lols….just liked the pen name. Also, Frone is unisex name, I know people of both sexes with that name.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Fs
            Thanks for the correction. I know of one person with that name from my old days, and as you can guess, it wad an Eri-girl. Good to know it is a unisex name. Well, hope you forgive me, it’s a fumbling of a Tigrietay guy. But you are a well grounded person, keep it up.

      • ghezaehagos

        Mahmud,
        We are realists and very cautious. We have heard and know all these things you are saying and we find them lacking in substance. We considered everything and we decided Ethiopia will remain our partner. We will use the base as long as we are allowed to use it for the purposes of advancing our cause of fighting the Isaias regime. The only and single power that would stop us is Ethiopia itself. Until then, it is a base and a neighbor and we will work there. Since and you, and other compatriots don’t want to work in Ethiopia, that is fine by us. There are hundreds of other countries you can work on, including the West. Simple. And in these other venues, we will work together…abti bhabar n’serhalu nisrah..abti zeynsemaemalu d’ma memegd’na!….as Barya says, ”…aytesaenen bayta mekalesi..”

        • Gonbel

          Ghezae,
          Wow, you are preparing to take state power using non democratic means and you are telling a man, who spent his youth fighting to bring independence to step aside if he doesn’t like the way you are
          going about it. You are so unnerved by the scrutiny of an article, so small compared to what this guy and his comrades went through to bring independence, it is laughable that you feel you can tell(much less you can make) anyone what to do. The height of your arrogance here is breathtaking! I hope people take notice of the statement you made here! We have only one Eritrea and nothing regarding
          Eritrea off limits to Eritreans wherever it is cooked let alone to a man who bled to bring it back from the brink.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Gobel

            The reason why Eritreans use Ethiopia as a transit country, and not a destination for joining the opposition is because they disagree with Gezae Hagos. He simplifies it as “.. it is a base and a neighbor and we will work there.” But it appears the majority of Eritreans are saying the opposite by declining to rally around those factions based in Ethiopia. Ethiopia at this time is more than a neighbor. It’s a country embroiled in deadly unfinished business with Eritrea. So, explaining it as just another neighbor was disingenuous.
            Another weak argument that came from Gezae was something like” Why we don’t see other organizations based in the west gathering strength?” Well, as I see it, the youth who are challenging PFDJ inside and outside in international arena are based in the west. The media that’s really rattling PFDJ is in the west. Political Parties and groups/civic societies which advocate for the idea of unleashing Eritrean potential based on the principle of “Eritrean problem should be solved through independent Eritrean endeavor,” are gathering momentum. The fact remains that PFDJ doesn’t really worry about groups and figures who have been judged or perceived as aligning with Ethiopia. They are off the list of their “mortal enemies.”

          • Gonbel

            Hi Mahmud,
            You are absolutely right! If their group couldn’t mobilize a relatively discerning citizenry in the west with enough information about PFDJ’s excesses and instead take up residence in Addis as a result, it is only because they lack the vision for the country as a whole. Who else will bankroll an idea that lost its potency amongst its relatively learned citizens except a country that is still at war with it. What annoyed me is the brazen request to be left alone as if their group is not dealing on a country’s future. Thanks for your sacrifices!

          • ghezaehagos

            Haw Gonbel,

            Simply, it is your and haw Mahmud’s duty to ‘mobilize a relatively discerning citizenry in the west with enough information about PFDJ’s excesses and instead take up’ complaints against these who are trying what they can…when you guys do better job, as I say we will follow you….
            Ghezae Hagos

          • ghezaehagos

            Haw Mahmud,
            I don’t know how much you know of the movements and ‘civic groups’ challenging Isaias regime in the west. My understanding is some of the vibrant and active once in the ground ALSO CONTINUE to have a base or chapters in Ethiopia. So they work everywhere and as I said repeatedly Ethiopia is another venue. So what is your problem with that? And some who don’t work there still maintain an affiliation with them or support working in Ethiopia. Some don’t. Hence it is mixed bag….I can give you the names too…
            Let me say this: The taboo Ethiopia once held in Eritrean psyche is wearing off. As long time participant of Eritrean dialogue, I observe dramatic reversal of events. It was a courageous act to go to Ethiopia almost 5 or 6 years ago…Now the trend especially in the youth is completely different. May be it’s the caves of Sinai, the more than 10,000 prisoners, the Lampedusa, the life of no future in Eritrea, Ethiopia is not scary as once was. We have now Eritreans regularly meeting there; we have now human rights activists using Ethiopian resources as indispensable asset, (COIE/ check, Exposing mining companies/ Check,..etc..) and the Fuad Alamins, the Michael Embayes, Mihreteab Micheal’s and the Fre-selam’s…..
            Ghezae Hagos

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kubur Ghezae,

            You have said: “the taboo Ethiopia once held in Eritrean psyche is wearing off.” Amen….ewe kemti Tiblo Zeleka Kikewn Iyu. Let me add to what you have said:Surely, after the despot is gone, we will break the taboo of siting in a round table and resolve our difference peacefully. Above all, after he left for good or caught in the hand of Eritrean people, the school of politico-diplomacy will change, and Eritrea will march for peace, stability, and development.

          • ghezaehagos

            Haw Gonbel,
            For me, it is always the solution-oriented views that we need. We have got this kind of debate endlessly and we will have them. Unless new facts are added to sway the argument to this or that that side, (which I don’t see in this article or comments) we will remain engaged in the same ‘kolel.’ So, why not find a common solution for the impasse instead of ? My point is we at the opposition should not be defined by Ethiopia. As a venue, it is just one. Hence, those who want to work there will work there and these who want to work elsewhere should work in the venue they can work at….and we will meet certainly because we are working for the same goal, defeating the tyrant regime in Eritrea…..
            Ghezae Hagos

  • selam

    As far as i am conserned this article is the exact explanation for some people who are still disillusioned . please wise up and understand to people like : Salyounis . The Eritrean people have zero , i repeat zero expectation from the opposition who are sitting and travelling from Europe , america to ethiopia for some talk. The situation in Adikeyhi will just pass as other situations we have see.Even i can feel for people have worked hard to play their role in dissolving the IA government , again think about it and come back to the drawing board andd get the trust of the Eritrean people, it is step one if you accept your failure and correct your mistakes. Get trust from the Eritrean people. You people can do too much just by agreeing on things that work , stop the unthinkable the Eritrean people are not zooming in paris or washington , so please come back to the basics.

    Thanks SALEH YOUNIS , You are one of the best Eritrean who care and work hard to tell us and write in which the young can look for and ask .Live long and prosper where ever you are.

    • Mizan

      Selam, as sharp as you are, you can do better. Please read the article critically and evaluate it honestly. Cheer leaders is not what is needed now in Eritrea. What we need is better alternatives from the likes of you, SAAY, Gheteb wezeterefe to the ones who propose change from any angle, like if you can garner help from Ethiopia, let’s take it – the sooner we rid of IA and PFDJ by any means, the quicker we can start fixing our problems and stopping the mass exodus.

      • selam

        Dear Mizan

        I actually evaluated it in conjunction to the current situation of the opposition groups. I accepted your point Mizan , i really do , i would love to have change through any means if we can mobilize the Eritrean people to see HGDEF as a first enemy and weyane as a helping hand.I would love to cheer with people like you and any one from weyane for the interest of the Eritrean people. But the facts on the ground does not reflect such thing. Imagine still even people like the luckiest who are in Europe and America as well as the refugee in Ethiopia and sudan does not believe what ever the opposition say. I can explain more .

        We can have a surgical attempt to dissolve the dictator and we will remain with some who can not guarantee a peaceful transfer of power. If the voice of the people i mean the common man is not with the voice of the few elite that take us to where ? My answer would not be specific but neither do i believe these people will have any harmony . Look we can debate on and on , on how to bring change , and it is natural we have different view. I have mine and you do have yours ,What we lack is the principle to stay on course. Check how the Eritrean people who are in the west even could not sit and talk their difference , what do we expect from inside? I have been reading saleh younis articles and i can tell you he is honest and alwsys to the point to tell us the facts on the ground and when he make mistake he admit it. He is not like mr right and i do not believe that way. What i am saying is he is some of the few people who is good to the course .

        Now what do you think the majority of the Eritrean people will say if in case weyenti try to help with their tanks and soldiers like what they did in somalia ? I am asking you because i do believe you have your good points .

        • Mizan

          Hi Selam,

          I am actually not one of those in favor of ‘by any means necessary’ because that could lead to much more serious consequences. It needs to be a measured approach. Tanks and soldiers coming from Ethiopia is a dead on arrival plan because it would be rejected by Eritreans almost 100%. Who wants his country invaded by another country? Look at all the countries the US was in war with. The US strategists think they would be welcome but they find quite the contrary to be true even in countries with brutal dictators.

          I call for a measured interference as in receiving limited military help and training for a small task force to infiltrate and take out IA and his enablers. The best scenario to me is for the people to revolt and dissolve PFDJ once and for all but that doesn’t look like it is coming soon. So if that is not coming soon, then maybe taking out IA and his top officials and generals might crack the code.

          • selam

            so tell me where is our difference then , why do you accuse me then,,As you said any military from ethiopia is none starter but about the training , ok lets go deep , who are the people to take the arms , All the young people rejected this idea and i have no idea where these people will come from. I know for a fact that people who came from israel to ethiopia said that , they will not pick up the gun and i asked them , why ? they told me it is impossible to see any credible force on your side and they are organized very very badly due to some personalities , what is your take on the young people who are rejecting this you stated

          • Mizan

            Oh I can see you are getting elated because you feel you got me cornered. What I like is to see as little bloodshed as possible. At this moment, most of our people still see Ethiopia as enemy number one and not IA and the PFDJ. So unless and until that’s reversed, unlimited military intervention from Ethiopia is a no go. Instead we can have specific task force activities to further destabilize PFDJ. Don’t ask me to go and do it. Otherwise I will ask you to go and stone IA to death.

            It’s the people within eritrea or in the border areas who need to carry out these kinds of operations. Not some people from Israel.

          • selam

            yes i understand there must be little bloodshed , it will be always like that. Even if the people protest there must be some veil soldiers who shoot their people in front of camera on the center of godena harinet. This is true mizan , i am not accusing you or any thing like that. But why these people who could not work in ethiopia and spend their time there could not pick the gun.

    • tes

      Dear selam,

      Again exposed. You wrote,

      1. The situation in Adikeyhi will just pass as other situations we have see.
      2. Even i can feel for people have worked hard to play their role in dissolving the IA government

      Such kind of statements are in every new article that tries to penetrate the current situation back home.

      Well, well selam, those who were fooled by your camouflaged anti HGDEF artificial but of the right missioned distractor exposes who you are.

      tes

      • selam

        Dear tes

        You always come from your weak points and i can understand that , because you did not read the documents you have got in Eritrea.If you can write articles like this i will do my best to try say positive things about the article . Please challenge me ? Do you expect small thing only small thing in adikeih will make noise in Eritrea ? I myself do not expect .That is my take .You can have yours and lets have it .You want change in Eiritrea , i only can repeat what i have told you before. Earn it , and to earn it please work to mobilize the Eritrean people to trust you. Until now the trust issue is way way down to negative and that is a big hindrance to your zillion words. Most opposition have no assets in the mind of the Eritrean people. They have too much liability and they are taking too much time to off load

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          You are a trash to be challenged but I am always in the forefront to expose you and there is nothing more challenging than exposing the ill-mission of one like you.

          Saying this, I close for good in discussing with you and commenting under your name. But I will do it indirectly. Take note for this.

          tes

          • selam

            Ok it is a great relieve you will stop replying to me . You was uninvited guest you know that .
            While you jump all over where ever i go you better challenge me , instead of talking idiotic words.
            I would not feel good if some one called your daughter a trash , hypocrite and so on. You know the word trash to a girl is real offensive in American universities it can cost you really really good fortune of you in any case have a project to work in groups . You will be singled out as bully , ignorant and idiot. And in case you said to Eritrean girl in Eritrea you will be the first to hear the word ASHA GUASA. Or fara from a very nice girl.That being said i will repeat it again, please take your agricultural word in to your school project they do not belong here.

      • Nitricc

        Tes, if you want the truth; being an opposition is way degrading than being PFDJ. oh i forget you are a fighter from Paris front. lol

        • Kokhob Selam

          Netrekhrekh,

          Why you have to give your comment here? isn’t about change? people already agree on change but you want PFDJ to be there. I don’t know why this topic concern you. why don’t you go to your camp?

          I know what you will reply, Kokhob /gebrestadiq, Abdulaziz botfliqa why don’t you go to deebit? Lol.

          • selam

            kokhob
            The dearest one , which i really feel connected due to my grand father pasts , look , why do not you tell him to just give ideas and stop insulting . please do that .this man tes is in a great stress and it is natural but he has to throw dish to the wall not throw words all over.

          • Kokhob Selam

            all my respect to you for this call. I am going to do that. And tesfa is tesfa he will start to accept my call. in this equation I want to request you one thing “enkan haban eyu” you will also stop one nasty guy complaining and labeling others. let’s see who will be the first to convince. Nitricc is labeling people where they don’t belong. so you will have to stop him. and here I am starting.

            Dear Tesfa, I don’t have to tell you how much you mean to me. I would like you to be more smooth from now on toward our sister Selam. I will take full responsibility if any rough words come to you form her. I know how much cultured you are toward cultured people and I know you will accept my request.

            Thank you and my best reagards,

            Kokhob selam

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I heard your call and I landed here on emergency after a transit through Nitricc.

            Ok, I accept your call with a pre-condition.

            1. Let her convince this confused chauvinist to be more civil.
            2. When she convinced him, I will follow him for one weakto check his line.

            Nitricc is fine with me as I am ok with his language. It is just for the people here at the forum. Till then, I am now without selam and her temple will be destroyed before I started to communicate with her again.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Tesfa,
            Sorry for interrupting your flight. your emergency landing was a big victory for me, she will sure accept the conditions. what I am not sure is if she will be strong to stop Netricc behaving childish.

            I think I am ahead as you have heard my call. Let’s see what she will do.

          • selam

            Dear Kokhob
            I did not know i am that much connected to Nitricc &c i am really proud if he say so. I will try , i am not sure if he like my lips twisting and hair throwing thing , i am extremely fast and i will beg him like this.

            A. Dear Nitricay with all my heart you see me , i am extremely ugly girl and please listen to me to not insult or intimidate our brothers and sisters from different father .

            B. Please accept my appeal for the sake of awate,com to not call names and throw shots.

            C. You know i have big problem with weyenti and i will never give them a pass but these our Eritrean brothers and sister , we should have a decent conversation even if we disagree.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Selam,

            “…i have big problem with weyenti and i will never give them a pass”. Cruelty is in your blood. Your “yikaalo” father never gave a pass even for the hunger-stricken people of Tigray. That is your character. That is your value. Look your face at the mirror in front of you before you say “ugly”. You have been accusing Ethiopian leaders for killing your people. Let’s say you have some truth in it. I condemn my ex-leaders for their brutal act on the civilians, if the list you provide us in your earlier comments are partially true. But remember that your leaders had committed the worst crimes. Hindering the hunger from reaching to where they could get aid is the worst crime. Imagine, they didn’t ask your fathers for food. They just asked a safe passage. In fact your fathers were so kind for not killing the hunger. If you have a bit of humanity in your heart, please revise your usage of terminologies and use them at the right place and time.

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa

            .I accept your points with out any precondition to my grievances from your leaders. I never intend to support any thing that harm the tigray people , i will never ever stand in front of your points . I really would love to know more about this staff.You know i have clearly stated that ELF, EPLF and HGDEF have committed crimes to their own people but i have no recollection of any to the tigray people,Except the military adventure of IA in the air bombing the school

            You are the first person to admit the crime committed to the Eritrean people and , i would have dropped every thing i said long time ago but as you can see in this site all of them , i mean all of them keep denying it , even try to make it like it never happen.

            Now do we agree that any one who deny history of the Eritrean people and Tigray people by dergi is not deniable. After that we can debate point by point why i do not give a pass to people who purposefully neglect the historical facts

          • Nitricc

            ” I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia” when you said that, you lost any respect i had for. you are one disgraced worthless Eshi-Goytay.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Nitricc, if you don’t respect me that is your problem not mine. but I will always respect you and love you. you know why? for me every body should be loved unconditionally. every space and time is a gift from nature for me.. and I live on that moment fully. everybody in this life is like a gift in this earth school. every thing should be appreciated. imagine now ,if this is my way of life how handsome I look,

            too much confidence and trust on myself and others except those who don’t have any legality. that is the reason I am the happiest man on earth, I think.

            ” I have never loved Eritrea more than Ethiopia” do you wonder about it? you couldn’t if you were not modified by dirty politicians who told you otherwise. this is a big difference between you and me. I create my destiny but you receive what others gave you. you serve them and they play by your own ego. you hate every thing and you want to belong to someone. you sake refuge in dogma doctrine. I open my mind, I control my ego. I love to love. I love those societies I knew during my childhood. they take care of me. they thought me to be kind, to be respectful. I thank them. I drink form their lake and rivers, I eat their crops. so it is natural to love them. I love them. love gives you love back and you give back going multiplies all is love and love only. I don’t know how to return back what they gave to me. but the precious love is here and no price can return back what we give each other.

            you hate them and hate comes back to you. your love vibration is no more there. you hate yourself and you always live jealous of others. you want to see their university burned instead of working in building your university, you want to see them hungry, angry , so you are again sad.

            I love to see them always united. I love to see them building their country, I love to see them dancing and happy, I celebrate their success as if it is me. they gave me the same feeling. they wish to see me happy,. doing so I love kokhob/Gebrestadq -Abdul aziz. I kiss myself, I congratulate for being nice. try it. that is a wonderful world. Love all the people of world but start within and go eventually and sure Habesha are the first. no sickness will visit you. you will not serve criminal men as you are governed by highest you.- the real you not the ego selfish you.

        • selam

          Nitricc

          tes is busy eating dinner with his french friends and talk about how the chess is and the bread and so on , when his friends are not around he come here talk rubbish and spit things he thought in his dream. he is a stressed man , walking alone on the street of Paris. But expect him to post things he has been with his white friends and show off

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam, be honest with me today, how you are writing from the place there no bread and water and electric city etc. just now I was calling to Asmara, but I couldn’t get it through. really really, you must be very much advanced to manage it or you must be PFDJ spy given access to right here in awate. sorry don’t be disappointed. there is something special on you. yet, I want to see always your posts and I am enjoying it.

          • selam

            come on be fair to me , even if i am young i am not that much idiot ok. the world is well comlex to explain.There are people i know who have viber video connection , forget about the internet that used proxy servers

          • Kokhob Selam

            ok, Selam. but hey, I am really serous. take care. now you are very important person for me. we need you to be around always.

          • AOsman

            Kokhob Selam,

            A month ago I heard that there is 3G network in Asmara and I did not believe it. Now I can communicate with my bro on wassap (the least he must be using wifi network).

            Scarcity of electricity and water is not evidence that the use of internet use is not improving.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ok, they should come more advanced and even install 4G and higher. they need it badly for spying. their spy system is very strong and telecommunication covers more “government” requirements than serving the mass. poor mass what communication tools will the ordinary have anyway. My friend’s mobile is always off and if I catch him he will say “I couldn’t charge my mobile” Lol.

          • Nitricc

            Selam Tes is cool person but very unpredictable. if you don’t agree with him; he resorts to name calling. i hate that about him

        • tes

          Dear Nitricc,

          I want to tell you, “I didn’t dream to be”. My dream was totally different and is still alive but when I was confronted with PFDJ system I said, “why this to my people”. For this, I openly criticized to the PFDJ officials back home. I asked Yemane Gebreab in one of our college meetings to change the structure of Ministry of Agriculture after seeing my students studying but no system to absorve their skills. He promised to call Arefaine Berhe and he did. I repeated the same to Arefaine, he told us that the structure was new, and got just changed in 2006 (It was in 2009 that I was asking). he told us that the new structure is not yet evaluated. Since I had my classmates working in the ministry, I had information about that also. I told him even the new one will not serve the people in securing its food needs;

          Different questions also I asked in different occasions. One was: Revolutionaries vanish in cities after victory. How is EPLF evaluated in this regard. He said many but he didn’t escape from nagging his head.

          I wish Eritrea had a room for political diveristy but not. And now, I am continuing my fight against the system and for good of the people, a prosperous nation and a strong accountable goverenment and a peaceful country with its neighbours, not isolated but part of the international community.

          And for this, I will do it from where ever I am as far as my heart is with my people, physical distance is not a burdensome.

          tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes, don’t worry about the past. get armed with every knowledge you can get your hand on and then that is the only way you can be useful to your people and pay them back for what they endured. our objective should stress on three major points. we got to able protect our people; we got to able feed our people and finally we got to educate our youth, the rest it should take care it self. so i am happy to find you to take the feeding part covered. we can it and we can built better and safer Eritrea. just concentrate and learn the best you can. just do your thing; we can do it.

          • tes

            Dear Nitricc,

            I do say, “we can protect our people, we can feed our people and educate our people simultaneously. It is within your line of statements/thinking that we failed. There is nothing impossible to make it happen at the same time. If your read with an open and truth searching mind, our 30 years war struggle was “ALL IN ONE” approach.

            Nitricc, we as people under the leadership of PFDJ ideology failed to be as a nation we wanted. I am not a naive to say, “Ok, lets just feed our people” or “educate our people”. A nation has main pillars to be erected simultaneously. If one is not there and is supposed to be erected later, iaccording to structural engineering design concept and hence in nation building engineering, it causes a disaster.

            While protecting, if you don’t feed your people, they die of starvation and famine. And this is what is happening right now.

            And if by sudden you survived to protect your country and feed your people, the people forgets the necessity of education and the country sooner or later decays. See all Arab countries except very very few and most Libya. In the world, Libya was almost a paradize if you just consider from protecting and feeding point of view. The cheapest food price was may be in Libya right before the fall of Gadafi, the green food provider. But but, the people, hell to education, the most ignorant people. And it is what we see now.

            Therefore, we can do it at the same time. As for me, don’t worry. I may not have enough knowledge to offer and help my people of what they are really demand for but for me thanks to God I have it enough to survive.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes, just get what you can get and worry about nothing. it is nothing but how much you wanted it and what your attitude is. don’t worry about the past and don’t worry about PFDJ. do the best yu can that is my take; i am out.

  • AOsman

    SAAY,

    Your risk register is dynamic, current world events and the state of our opposition is enough reason to reconsidering the revolution or by any mean approach as dangerous that could take us down a spiral of chaos. I agree that we have to prove ourselves as capable to handle responsibility.

    Focusing on those leaving in Eritrea, to reclaim their God given freedom, they also have an active risk register and the way the society is fragmented, the level of suspicions, the exodus, …..how do you expect any meaningful change to come from inside.

    We have even given up on the fagato, DIA seems to be blessed with 7 lives like the Eritrean dummu. The “spark” idea is fading, there is nothing “organic” in sight…..now we are frozen…in the meantime:

    twitter

    facebook

    ….

    a cyber-world that detaches us from the real world and gives us the sense that things are moving

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    When the situation in Eritrea is deteriorating year on year, our resolve has to be stronger and we need to come up with some actionable ideas. Maybe Awate 2020, needs to focus on your idea:

    we have to create functional organizations–laboratories–that demonstrated we can be trusted with Eritrea’s sovereignty, democracy, justice, diversity, yes, but also with finding practical ways to help our people by presenting alternatives to the tired policies of PFDJ.

    Regards

    AOsman

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam AOsman,

      The wisdom lies on how to handle our differences. We are this and we are that doesn’t contribute to the resolution of our predicament. The whole debate in this forum sicken me because we don’t focus on our differences to avoid any of the risks we are afraid no to loom upon us. Tolerance and wisdom is demanded from us. Crying about the border issue at this point is none issue for me.

  • Haile WM

    hello saay,
    don’t you think the situation in Libia is a direct consequence of a dictator’s rule i.e. “divide et impera” ? There wasn’t this kind of chaos when Gedaffi took power (right after Senoussi), as we are witnessing now. The problems with divide et impera is that when the impera is gone the divide remains 😉
    think where that could happen in the future, (to use someone’s expression) think hard ! 😀
    regards

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Guest,
    I agree the number will be quit higher. But in a circumstance I couldn’t find the exact number, I will only base on the report given by the government. What I am arguing prcisely is, even the 20,000 souls shouldn’t be sacrificed for the senseless war – a war of choice of Eritrean government. The war could have been avoided if they would have accepted the US/Ruwanda proposal. By the way, wasn’t it the same advice that was given by Baraki one of his team in the government?

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Guest, the massage of Amanuel is more than you thought. the war was worthless created by IA just to gain power and be the owner of Horn. the quantity may differ but the massage is clear. for Ethiopians and Eritreans the war was useless but since we Eritreans lost that war and we paid for fame of one man, we are the once who paid more. for example in 30 years struggle Ethiopia has paid a lot of life fighting which at last they lost souls that they could have saved from the beginning. those innocent souls all were victims of their own ex-governments. Mengstu ran away as he can’t stand it any more.

    • tes

      Dear KS,

      If we agree that PFDJ is a wrong and brutal system that can never repent for what he does and this is because of its own system, then, are you trying to convince someone to say “sorry”? By what measures or logical thinking are we expecting a brutal dictator to believe on his mistakes? If we do, we are foolish.

      Our fight is not to bring one man in a court. It is against the system and once the system is removed and a law is installed, everything will follow.

      Dear KS, let’s be consistency in our approach. I respect your belief that Ethiopia as a background is not bad. I am in a position of saying, “let’s use all possible means”, like that of SGJ to weed-out PFDJ system. But, the station to choose is not to put DIA, the one man (as saay7 is still around better than before), in court but to remove the system he installed.

      Let’s imagine DIA dies tomorrow, does the struggle for FREEDOM is going to terminate suddenly? Just curious again. And my last curiousity still is an answered.

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Tes,
        It seems you forgot my stand on change. I always say that DIA is just the result and even say more far than that – PFDJ is just the result but the change needed is right in each of us. May be no one has said it even as it is a little tough to say, but this is Eritrea and this is what we got. if you say you want to make change by only removing he system then still you have to think once again. the system was born form us and if this system under the same group was not there we could have created it. in short if DIA was not we could have it any way with another soul. love it or not, this all what you ware watching is our own job. this is when generally speaking. that doesn’t mean we didn’t have peace lovers, advanced among us but as you have seen they have been victimized. My friend Tes, DIA was not killing by his own hands in Kesela and Khartoum. he can’t even try it. but he was using others who were supporting him. so, all the way the price payed is what we have to pay. Karmic low..Lol.

        the only different that make PFDJ leadership (which is our result) worst is for not leading legally some how as they are on power. it is unfortunate we were not lucky enough to get men with wisdom as Ethiopians do. that is where TPLF got higher point, changing and correcting historical mistakes

        so my version of change starts within. within each of us. we have to be able to correct all our mistakes. removing the .system alone will not help is my believe. a bit tough to swallow but that is just plain truth. could we able to make change in 1991? imagine if you talk those days you could have considered crazy, mad,. Why because the majority were in honey moon.

        Tes, some may think the idea of opposing PFDJ has started recently. if you investigate there were always great men and women who were neglected, so it has taken great work and continues peaceful struggle to reach this level in convincing people.and thanks to PFDJ they have never been right and people start to wake up. That is more than armed struggle. convincing instead of killing and killed is a wisdom. wining through love till the level of illegal group. then only the devil and all the structure will be paralyzed as you can see it.

        • tes

          Dear KS,

          I know your stand and I know your clear way of saying things. And I understand who we are. But at the same time I believe on evolution. And from this angle, I say PFDJ mindset. I never acknowledged DIA as a sole architecture of PFDJ system and it is from this angle that I commented.

          I am not in doubt of your principle but what I am just reminding is to make our principle as firm as possible. Don’t take me as a naive person when I say this to you. But sometimes I see people distracting in coping up a new wave. Frankly you are not but in case I remind. This is how I deal with good people like you. And you know how act with wicked people like selam and Abinet.

          With all respect
          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            That is how it should be. you have done it and I always appreciate and always ready to put it clear. please don’t miss any point or pass any unclear comment from me. I also will do that.

            all my respect as usual – Eritrea needs open minded, transparent and optimistic people like you. above all being young, your stand for all forgotten elder fighters of this nation is admired.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Thank you.

            tes

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe

            your idea as a believer in evolution is appreciated but in a way you never expected. You have this so called alpha mind in a way that makes you look like a fool bully.You are not a man of principle.
            continue with your agricultural work at least we have so many hungry people so , you can step in after HGDEF.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hey Saay,

    When I read the title of your article “I was wrong”, I was expecting you to come up to tell us regarding your position of the “1998-2000” war, which lately but surely the officials in the Eritrean government have acknowledged it as “the senseless war.” You know the war was waged to elevate Issayas Afeworki’s to a regional leader “arha nay Kerni Africa”. He lost the war, and we lost over 20,000 our love ones. You disappointed me as usual.

    Regards,

    • saay7

      Selamat Emma:

      Whenever I say “I think I am going to retire” it is because I find myself at loggerheads with people I genuinely like, like you. And I am at loggerheads not because we have differences of opinion, because that’s normal, but because we seem to have differences of fact. In your case, I notice a pattern in what you write: if a paragraph is a house, and a sentence is a brick, every brick that you have, every single time, is wrong and it is painful to watch your house. You try to substitute for your wrong-headedness by moral-bullying and an air of certitude, which I often find amusing. So…lets look at each one of your bricks:

      1. “…the 1998-2000 war, which lately but surely the officials in the Eritrean government have acknowledged it as the senseless war.”

      Well, no sir, the officials of the Eritrean government have acknowledged it as a senseless war since the beginning. The war was described as “Africa’s most senseless war” by analysts and the Eritrean government officials agreed as early as 1998 that it was.

      2. You say, “You know the war was waged to elevate Issayas Afeworki to a regional leader “Arha Nay Kerni Africa.”

      That is your opinion and no I don’t know that. The evidence clear shows that it was a war that came about as a consequences of the two government’s disagreement on fiscal and monetary policies, cross-border trade, which escalated to a border dispute. There is not a single serious analyst who says the war happened because “Issayas Afeworki to be a regional leader.”

      3. You say: “He lost the war, and we lost over 20,000 of our loved[d] ones.”

      Incomplete statement. Most of the loved ones we lost, and Ethiopia lost, happened between February 1999 and December 2000. In that entire time, Eritrea accepted every single peace proposal given by UN; and Ethiopia rejected every single peace proposal. By then, Ethiopia had shifted its goals from returning disputed lands to “teaching Eritreans a lesson they will never forget.” Apparently, you are one of those who have learned their lesson.

      4. You wrote: “You have disappointed me as usual, but never shut down the doors of my optimism. In all those drum war beating years, I was sure for one thing, the truth will never circumvent and lose in the dense writings of skillful writers.”

      Your optimism has a door? Ok. If you think “drum war beating years” are disappointing, how disappointed must you be at those who were actually hoping Ethiopia would win the war if it meant the removal/killing of Isaias Afwerki. If you are one of those who was so opposed to “drum war beating years”, can you point to a single article you wrote (just one will do), where you told the Ethiopian government to accept all the peace agreements that were presented to it between July 1999 and May 2000? Surely, a peace-loving man like you must have known by then that it was Ethiopia which was dragging its feet? Or did you stop paying attention and your entire focus then was to root for Ethiopia to defeat Isaias?

      5. You wrote: “Your hand is the pen of a skillful writer but you always fall from riding the Trojan horse of truth seekers.”

      I don’t know what this means and I wasn’t aware that people were riding Trojan horses:)

      Ah, Emma.

      saay

      • T. Kifle

        Dear SAAY,
        You said “This is because by then, Ethiopia had shifted its goals from returning disputed lands to “teaching Eritreans a lesson they will never forget.” Apparently, you are one of those who have learned that lesson.”

        There was no shift in goals at all. Ethiopia had made it clear then unless Eritrea withdrew its forces, it would strike anywhere it hurts and it did. Apparently, it seemed you didn’t take your lesson. I pray that you wouldn’t be enrolled in the same course in case you assume the Eritrea presidency. 🙂

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam T. Kifle,
          .
          He still has that grudge that we didn’t need to defeat their army the way it ended. I think he believes in what the western powers call proportional response only when it suits him. (kinda like that binding agreement)
          .
          He really likes Awatistas who claim that their Army successfully defended a well planned Ethiopian invasion. He knows better, because he was there from the beginning.
          .
          The poster picture similar to the Soviet Man that he was painting was severely damaged at that time. He is still trying to rehabilitate that image and normal people, like Amanuel, aggravate him when they point out the disconnect between his new narrative and the truth.
          .
          K.H

          • T. Kifle

            Kim Hanna,

            who the hell he is to talk about a proportional response? His army invaded Ethiopia when her hands were tied not only from just Badme but virtually from every other direction(Tsorena, BURE, Zalambessa etc). Zalambesa was demolished to dust not by any exchange of fires from either side but by a deliberate operation conducted by the civil Engineering wing of the slave warsay. IF Ethiopia was in the same mood that Eritrea was at the time, it would have been much worse for her. But Ethiopia had worked its ways with little anger but profound restraint and magnanimity and took only measured response not by the dikakts of any powers as they would have us believe them but fully of its own. He thinks Eritrea didn’t learn a lesson. He must have learning disability of a sort. Eritrea indeed learned a lesson. If it weren’t , we would have seen another blunders in the past years and it would have never stay put as she does. They know the worst lesson will ensue if they tray to take any chance. That also includes an attempt through the thugs under their command. Ethiopia has made it clear that the longevity of IA’s regime is proportional to his provocative acts towards us. If this is not a lesson, I don’t know what is.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Saay,

        It is equally true from my side, that I also personally like you and enjoy your writings. But I will not lie that we have different political outlooks, our understanding on PFDJ, the nature of governance we might have, and the border issue. It is a big deal for me, hence the clash on ideas now and then. It is not your idea that bothers me much, rather it is your adjectives tagging to anyone who differs from you. Why don’t attack the idea rather than to the personalities, like “eshi getaye, andenetawian…etc” where your troops mudslinging against us using your tools right and left. This is what sickens me, because what they are doing is insulting and demeaning, they are not debating. I know for sure you are doing it purposely.

        Now back to your question, I have enough hard copy in my hand, all the attempts done by the international community to diffuse the tension between the two countries, all the Algeris agreements, all the documents about the cease fire agreements, the EEBC decision in my hand. Above all your writings about the border issue. Rest assure about my acquaintance on the issue at hand. Because we have a different taking doesn’t in anyway imply that we don’t know the issue to either of us. I don’t take it that way and you shouldn’t. So accept that we have a lot of difference on how we see issues both politically and legally.

        Second the Eritrean who died in the war is my statistics, and it concerns me a lot, and that is why I was trying to argue to avoid it, and I did to openly to voice it. At least I don’t have burden on my back. The Ethiopian who died on the war concerns to Ethiopians, and I will let for Ethiopians to debate with themselves if they can glen any teaching moment. I am not interested whose side died most. Because I believe those who died on the senseless from both sides is in vein. This is what I was telling to my encounter during that time: No matter how many lives they give in this senseless war, both sides, at the end of the day the border issue will only be resolved at the round table or at the international court of arbitration. We will surely see it to be so and will witness in our eyes. I vindicated when it happen.

        The war didn’t start in 1999 abu saleh, it was in 1998. You know how many souls are given to defend the onslaught that came from Ethiopian side to regain Badme. We didn’t leave Badme without fighting. we fought tooth and nail, hand in hand to defend it. It was after that bloody war the phrase “senseless war” came in every communications they have made. In fact when Haile Menkorios came back after the last meeting of the Eritrean Assembly, right after the push of 1999, he made a public meeting in my areas, and told us that the war shouldn’t be fought, it was senseless war. I asked him how did it become senseless now, when it should be from the beginning in 1998. Didn’t Issyas in his official interview in 1998 told the interviewer: they told us they are coming in September (of that year), and we are waiting them; we know what wayane could and couldn’t do? (lose interpretation from tigrigna). His replay was “Amanuel, you know how politics and diplomacy work, I don’t think you need an answer for that.” So saay, I have been folowing closely as it matters to me a lot.

        Regarding my writing in the nineties during the war, I was writing in “NetsebraQ Eritrea” an independent tigrigna megazine, issued every month. I wasn’t familiar with the internet that much at that time. I just started to write in the Eritrean websites in Sept. 2000. So there isn’t any I could attach to show my stand at that time. All my writing after 2000, you have them in your at awate and asmarino you could pull them better than me. But …But, you could ask any member of PFDJ or any Eritrean official who made public meeting in NY city and and its vicinity.

        Let me tell you some funny thing and you might surprise about it. A Friend of mine was in a subway train in New york city, reading one of your articles? One Eritrean lady came to him, and asked him, if he was me. The question was, are you the pharmacist who is writing against the war and our government? The lady doesn’t know me, but she was told in their meeting who I am, and what I am doing against the war effort. So it is easy for you to find out.

        Let us agree that we have different views and debate on the ideas we have espoused and trying to influence our readers.

        Regards,

        • tes

          Dear Amanuel H.,

          You can do much better than this, at least I expect from you. You and Saay7 are much more close in this article than ever before. The article may need some critical refines but over-all, it is a reconcilatory. Saay7 has moved a lot from his previous way of analysing things.

          Even his critic on you right now is more of friendly and with all due respect. If there are some cross proofs you want to make on who is who, you both were not only talking but writing and hence for a truth searcher, it is available and we don’t expect you both to bring us your materials. We are way capable to get it if it is a must. Till then, let historians take notes and move forward.

          tes

        • saay7

          Selamat Emma:

          Sigh. Every writer, including you, uses adjectives. Some catch on, some don’t. So please ease up on the moralizing. I have no “troops”; I have readers who vehemently agree or disagree with me. You are among the group of writers who press their buttons. If you think the TPLF/EPRDF is great, and the late Prime Minister Meles was awesome, go ahead, send your valentines; but if you want to be a LITTLE sensitive in an Eritrean website, once in a while say, “I know some of my compatriots disagree with me….” Instead what you do is to present yourself as progressive and peace-loving and everybody who disagrees with your assessment as backward and hate-mongering. How do you say Sey Kota in English?

          If you were following the Eritrea-Ethiopia war of 1998-2000 and all the peace treaties, cease-fires, flight moratoriums, you KNOW who was responsible for escalating and expanding the war. My question remains: whether it is NetsebraQ or online, did you write a single piece where you called on Ethiopia to accept the Modalities, the Technical Arrangements when it was dragging its feet and when it finally rejected the Technical Arrangements and pushed for war? A simple yes or no would be awesome; evidence would be even better. I am saying this because you keep wanting to re-litigate this issue and you always put 100% of the blame on the Eritrean side (Isaias/PFDJ.)

          On the senseless war, please Emma, stop being so stubborn. Isaias afwerki described it as “senseless” not “lately” as you claim but in 1999. I know this for a fact because when he said it, sure enough, the Ethiopian spokesperson rushed out a press release saying “who or what is senseless?” This information is available at your finger tips courtesy of Google.

          Please know that I am engaging you because I believe your heart is in the right place. Do not lecture people on how we should always focus on the present and the now and then sneak your little jabs because if you do, there will be a pushback…and please then don’t feign surprise.

          saay

      • Nero

        Yes, Saay was wrong.

        It is amazing that Saay is accusing someone of dressing up opinions as facts, while he is picking and choosing facts and building a narrative which is misleading and dishonest.

        Eritrea accept the US/Rwanda peace plan after initially rejecting it and refusing to give up territory (Badme) it invaded – which was one major point of the peace plan. Ethiopia accepted the peace plan as early June 1998 – http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9806/04/ethiopia.update.pm/. Eritrea did not then. Once, Eritrea lost Badme and the peace plan’s major point was resolved militarily, it readily proclaimed that it accepted the peace plan. May I suggest “Reflections on the Ethiopia-Eritrea Border Conflict” by GiLbert M. Khadiagata as a side (reading)?

        I mean, to say Eritrea accepted all the peace plans in the quoted period could only be true if we read history backwards and turn a blind eye to the context.

        At the core of this argument with regards to the 1998-2000 war, I see no difference between PFDJ’s stand and Saay’s. Are we to forget how the whole fiasco with Susan Rice was based on PIA’s rejection of ….what was it… yes a peace plan? So the OAU peace plan which is not that much different from the US Rwanda peace plan, which is not different from the Algiers Agreement that Eritrea readily accepted after the military defeat of 2000.

        I ask, What is the point of trying to hold PFDJ and others to a higher standard – if you are not willing to hold yourself to the same standard? If you were wrong then. You should say so.

        That war has been devastating for Eritrea on many aspects. No one is held accountable. PFDJ continues to milk it till today to keep the country’s youth in Slavery, and I feel sad that some among Eritrea’s elite, would like to do the same but with a loftier aim of forging a sense of nationalism. Same difference. The common thing is no accountability. Those that tried have been put in prison and those that are living abroad, tow a nationalist line that PFDJ has drawn and don’t want to ask difficult questions but point accusatory fingers at Ethiopia, USA and the rest of the world.

        • saay7

          Selamat Nero:

          If you believe that every snowflake becomes a blizzard, then yes, all you need to know about the 1998-2000 carnage between Eritrea and Ethiopia was ignited by Eritrea. That’s it, the end, nothing to see here. This is what I hear from many Ethiopians and Eritreans whose hatred for Isaias Afwerki/PFDJ is white-hot-intense. But, if you believe that leaders of government have two responsibilities–to work for peace while protecting their sovereignty–it is more nuanced than you are presenting it.

          Here’s the timeline (from independent sources; not Eritrean or Ethiopian sources):

          Prior to May 12, 1998: Whatever happened, whatever the provocation did not justify Eritrea moving its tanks and crossing over to Ethiopia. It was not an act of self-defense (proportionality) and it didn’t notify the UN. (per EECC)

          May 12, 1998: Eritrea moves to Badme and environs.

          May 13, 1998: Ethiopian parliament calls on Eritrea to withdraw or that Ethiopia will use force to evict it. Ethiopia also notifies the UN Security Council of its intentions.

          May 30, 1998: US-Rwanda Peace plan presented to Ethiopia. It accepts it. It was given to Eritrea on June 3, 1998. It doesn’t accept it on the spot.

          June 4 – June 5: Ethiopian planes bomb Asmara. Eritrean planes bomb Ayder elementary school. (EECC says it was not intentional.)

          Nov 8: OAU endorses the US-Rwanda Plan. Rwanda withdraws. The OAU calls its proposal the Framework Agreement. Ethiopia accepts it. Eritrea seeks “clarifications.”

          From Nov 8 – February 1999: Eritrea continued to seek “clarifications.” On February 22 1999, Ethiopia launches an offensive and takes back Badme town and environs five days later. On February 27, 1999, Eritrea accepts the Framework Agreement.

          July 14, 1999: Both Eritrea and Ethiopia accept the OAU’s Modalities for Implementation of OAU Framework Agreement. Eritrea asks for both parties to sign document; Ethiopia says I don’t trust Ethiopia and I would like the OAU/UN/US to come up with a detailed “Technical Arrangements for the implementation of the Modalities and Framework Agreement” that both parties must agree in advance to sign without asking for amendments.

          August 7, 1999: The OAU presents the “Technical Arrangements”. Eritrea accepts them. Ethiopia seeks clarification. Ethiopia asks for amendment to a document it had requested be un-amendable.

          August 7, 1999 – December 5, 1999: Ethiopia kept trying to amend a technical arrangement that it had insisted be un-amendable.

          December 6, 1999: Ethiopia formally rejects the technical arrangement.

          December 7, 1999 – May 11, 2000: the peace-makers scurry around trying to sell a “Working Paper to the Consolidated Technical Arrangements.”

          May 12, 2000: Ethiopia launches an offensive and takes back all disputed territories and for good measures makes an effort at some undisputed territories.

          Whatever higher moral ground Ethiopia may have had, it was squandered on August 5, 1999 when it rejected an OAU peace plan that it had requested be un-amendable because it was technical.

          My question to all the Eritrean Gandhis has always been if you are so much for peace, can you point me to a single evidence which shows you called on Ethiopia/you criticized Ethiopia for rejecting a peace plan in August 1999. A peace plan that it had insist be un-amendable? A pattern of behavior where it says one thing and then renege on it? Never mind then, can they do it now? They can criticize the snowflake; can they criticize the blizzard?

          Nope. To them the world began and ended with Eritrea’s refusal to accept US-Rwanda Plan; a plan that its own co-sponsor withdrew from; a plan that was written by Susan Rice/Gayle Smith; a plan that gave Eritrea ONE day to make a decision (June 3) or their capital will be bombed.

          saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam SAAY,
            .
            I think you are WRONG on the descriptions of a couple of events here that I can readily see.
            .
            Item: “May 30, 1998: U.S-Rwanda peace plan presented to Ethiopia. It accepts it. It was given to Eritrea on June 3, 1998. It doesn’t accept it on the spot.” What is this “on the spot” magic trick trap door doing there?
            .
            Do you remember words to the effect that —for us to get out of here is like saying the sun will not rise in the morning. The Ethiopian side argued the sun will set. I wonder who coins these words.
            .
            Let us skip the higher moral ground all together and go to: “May 12, 2000: Ethiopia launches an offensive……………..makes an effort at some undisputed territories.”
            .
            Let us say it precisely after the date you mentioned.
            .
            Ethiopian army defeated the Eritrean army and removed it from their territory and for good measure, so that it will never be repeated again, took some undisputed Eritrean territory.
            Later, as part of an agreement the U.N posted its solders in the 25 miles border zone inside Eritrea.
            .
            The truth shall set you free.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Kbur Ato Kim:

            If you give somebody a peace proposal on June 3 and then you bomb their capital city on June 5, I think that qualifies as “accept it on the spot.”

            Suns setting and moons rising was not the purpose of my narration. It was to make the point that Ethiopia had, after demanding that the Technical Arrangment be un-amendable and each party should take or leave it, spent months demanding an amendment and then flat out rejected it.

            To my knowledge, your government did not provide a report of when and where Ethiopians perished in the war, but the Eritrean government did. And the stats show that more Eritreans died between August 1999 and May 2000 (the period when the Ethiopian government rejected peace treaties) than May 1998 – August 1999 (the period when the Eritrean government was slow to accept peace treaties.) And so, I am asking those who have become latter-day pacifists and Gandhis: did you protest Ethiopia’s refusal to accept the peace treaty then?

            Of course, it is TOO much to ask an Ethiopian to question the decision of his government to choose war over the terms of the Technical Arrangement. After all, Ethiopian history is a long string of celebrating the achievements of warriors.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mr. SAAY,
            .
            Thank you for your response on a topic you have traversed so many times. I will admit to you that I supported the Ethiopian Government whole heartedly. The information I had was from media only and the consequence of loosing the war meant to me at the time the possibility of disintegration. Remember we were promised 100 year homework from the strong man and Ethiopia was on a downhill track for decades up to that point. The fact that existential threat was avoided was a relief, when the country was trying to get its footing stabilized.
            .
            Even though I see your point and face the fact of the carnage of 20,000.00 Eritrean 20 year olds and 20,000 Ethiopian 30 year olds with still more damaged souls, nothing can be justified. That is why I have problems with God and everybody else. No body got hanged for it. Those people with the capacity and wisdom to mitigate it are still calling each other excellencies.
            .
            K.H

          • Nero

            Dear Saay,

            I will not go down the nitpicking of dates and words route. Kim Hanna has indicated a few of those. I think what you wrote also justifies some of the things I said in the previous post.

            All that aside, I think, it is really moot to ask Eritreans where they were when Ethiopia did not accept a peace plan in 1999. The truth is that infamous war did not give Eritreans a choice, as it did not give the Ethiopian population or the government. War opens up an opportunity to shake up a system, most government’s fall when they mismanage the economy, let alone when they take the country down the route of self destructive war of aggression. It did not turn that way in Eritrea because of the long stack of blank checks that the Eritrean people have given PIA.

            I think if there ever were a time for Eritrean elites to gamble on the side of the truth and against the PFDJ narrative as it pertains to that war, at least, it is now – when your country is facing serious problems and is being emptied of its youth. The fact that you tend to stand by the choices PIA made for you and Eritreans before May 13,1998, shows that you are loyal to a certain disastrous project he started. So you are following him and not really the national interest of Eritrea. This is my opinion. In the likely case, you might make the argument – I don’t think the rule of law argument, well you signed the Algiers agreement so you must comply is really irrelevant with regards to the Eritrean situation today.

            When the PFDJ government of Eritrea goes, as it will surely, and another one comes – I am not sure they will choose to tie themselves into this knot. Why then you?

          • saay7

            Selamat Nero:

            We simply have a difference of opinion here. The timeline I lists reinforces the Eritrean (not Isaias not PFDJ) narrative: Isaias may have stumbled us into war, but a vengeful group then took advantage of that to inflict maximum pain on Eritrea. Over the last 14 years I have talked to a cross section of Eritrrans from Eritrea and I have yet to hear a single person use a complimentary adjective to describe the ethiopian ruling party.

            So? Well the Eritreans who are, or want to be, glued at the hip with Ethiopias ruling party, share a description with me: the opposition. I believe their willingness to gamble with Eritreas sovereignty, our inability to set an independent path for ourself with no intrusion from outsiders, is one of the factors that has gotten the silent majority to not take a risk on us.

            I understand why pro-TPLF Ethiopians equate TPLF with Ethiopia and vicecersa (all incumbent parties including PFDJ do that. ). I don’t understand when Eritreans do it and when they see criticism of TPLF as “hate” of Ethiopia.

            saay

          • Abinet

            Saay
            I think you are arguing as a convicted criminal. you are saying, OK, it is my fault but the judge didn’t follow the ” sentencing guidelines ” and punish me harshly.
            In this case ethiopia wrote the sentencing guidelines and applied it appropriately . It is also subject to change without prior notice.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abinet:

            Nice try but…since you like court dramas, may I approach the bench? Thank you your honor

            What happened was two parties went to a mediator and both said they would abide by the ruling of the mediator; one didn’t like the ruling of the mediator and said nah I think I will get justice my own way and the mediator threw his hands up and said I give up. Then the two parties went to a judge (both of whom agreed on the judges impartiality) and both said we will abide by the ruling of the judge. One didn’t like the ruling of the judge and said, nah, I don’t think I will abide by your ruling. The judge threw up his arms.

            You can use many things from the recalcitrant party from the story above….but you shouldnt take lessons from him on governance, rule of law and justice. And you can never take his word on and for anything: particularly if you were the one victimized. He is just a bad Abinet 🙂

            saay

          • Abinet

            Saay 007
            You are witty and tricky. I wish to have coffee with you for the sake of laugh.
            Objection overruled!
            “Never Say Never Again”(Saay 007.)

          • Dear Saay,

            -Badme was ruled peacefully by Ethiopia before 1998.
            -Eritrea starts a war of aggression and occupies the region.
            -Eritrea refuses to return to the pre-1998 border and start negotiations.
            -Ethiopia evicts Eritrea by the use of force, and creates a new situation on the ground, paying a big sacrifice.
            -Ethiopia the victor accepts arbitration (a very big blunder and foolish of Ethiopia to do so).
            -Ethiopia declares the decision was unjust and illegal, and refuses to abide by the decision.
            -Later on, she bypasses the decision by accepting it in principle, which in fact means that she continues not to accept it.
            -No third part to force implementation.
            ——————–
            We find ourselves in a limbo, which continues up to now, and may be for years to come. The damage it
            has incurred is beyond imagination.
            ———————-
            What Ethiopia should have done was to return to the pre-1998 border, state publicly that she has been vindicated and she has defeated the aggressor, and declare case closed.
            This could have saved us a lot of trouble, especially Eritrea.
            May be; and may be not, Nobody can be sure. PFDJ could have behaved the same way.
            We are in dilemma. Could it be the result of a sin committed by our ancestors? Nobody knows.

          • saay7

            Selamat Horizon:

            As is the custom at Awate University, the subjects people choose to discuss have little to do with the article that is supposed to be discussed. The summary of the very long article (I apologize for its length: it is a losing battle I have been fighting for years to write shorter articles) was provided in para 1: “Short version: I was wrong about the Arab Spring; if you are a dependent you will always complain about the size of the welfare check; I am pessimistic about the Eritrean Lowland League; and, the Exiled Opposition need to know our limitations.”

            All this Badme subject was started because our friend Amanuel, who frequently lectures us about leaving history alone, introduced the subject as a way to criticize me and, not coincidentally, congratulate himself for his foresight (it is hilarious.) Then the usual suspects piled on. And here we are.

            I would rather discuss the present. And the present, in much the same way that Ethiopians state that the Isaias Afwerki regime is terrible by most measure (and we Eritreans join you in that assessment), I maintain that the Ethiopian government is equally terrible. This is somehow conveniently translated into “Ethiopia is terrible” by the usual suspects. There are horrific things that the Eritrean government does that shock me. Equally, there are horrific things that the Sudanese government and the Ethiopian governments do that are stated matter-of-factly. The Ethiopian allies I want are those who are for doing the right thing before first checking where the government stands on the issue. And if I can’t have them, I will ally with those who do. That simple.

            By the way, speaking of present day Ethiopia, does this not shock your conscience? It appeared in an article that was largely complimentary of Ethiopian Defense Forces:

            https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ethiopia-spends-very-little-money-on-its-military-and-it-works-1be0d725f8a9

            Begin Quote:

            “The Ethiopian troops largely withdrew in 2009 under pressure from the African Union, which had deployed peacekeepers into the lawless country.

            “One reason A.U. wanted them gone—the Ethiopian soldiers murdered a lot of people. They gang-raped women and slaughtered Somali civilians “like goats,” a 2008 Amnesty International report stated.

            ….

            “Ethiopian soldiers were accused of committing a wide range of atrocities, including firing mortars on civilian hospitals, press institutions, and houses, and rape, theft, kidnapping, and murder of Somali civilians,” according to a 2014 study published by the U.S. Army’s Joint Special Operations University.

            Somalis still widely loathe the Ethiopians, but the troops are under A.U. command—and Somalia is now more stable than it has been in years.

            END OF QUOTE

            Wait for it: somebody is going to say this proves I am angry and I hate Ethiopia. I think that is supposed to make me feel guilty.

            saay

          • Dear Saay,

            Deviation from the main topic of the article and discussing individual comments is so common that
            we are now used to it, and I would say that it is not bad at all. The thing that bothers me a lot is what I call “የስድብ እንካስላንትያ” hurled at each other, that is destroying the University of Awate, than any deviation from the main topic.

            Going to the main point in your comment: the bad blood between the two people has been around for too long, has done too much of a damage, and it is time that some bloodletting is done, to remove the toxic blood and replace it with a renovated one. This is what some people are saying, and I think that they are right. Ethiopia and Eritrea cannot be at odds forever. If I am not mistaken, you are saying that, as things stand today, Ethiopia and Eritrea cannot negotiate on any topic on equal grounds, and Eritrea should first stand strong on her two legs, before she attempts any rapprochements, while others are saying that it will be too late if we wait, and let us salvage what could be salvaged. I think that Eritreans should decide on what is right.

            You know my stand on the Ethiopian intervention. I am against it, right from the start, not because I am afraid of atrocities against civilians, but mainly because there are not yet the right conditions and therefore, it is not the right time. Surely atrocities against civilians will occur in case of intervention,, if the Ethiopian forces are required to stay in Eritrea, because the situation demands it, or for other reasons, in which case there will be insurgency that would lead to reactions and counteractions, and more hatred will develop.

            If we see the case of Uganda and the intervention of Tanzania, there were Ugandan militias fighting the regime of Idi Aman from within Tanzania, and Ugandan army crossed Tanzanian borders and entered villages on many occasions in pursuit of the militia, and they caused destructions. When the militia turned into the Ugandan National Liberation Army and intensified its attacks, Tanzanians started to take them in to consideration. Because UNLA could not push forward due to Kaddafi’s intervention on the side of Idi Amin with 2500 Libyan soldiers, supported by Mig fighter airplanes, and soviet-made tanks, there were also defections from the Ugandan army to fight on the side of the UNLA, and civilian dissent, Tanzania had the moral ground to intervene. Similar factors are absent in the Eritrean situation, and Ethiopia’s intervention could end up being a fiasco, doing more harm than good.

            Nevertheless, I can understand those Eritreans who are for intervention. They are worried a lot of what would become of Eritrea, if things remain the same. Pushed by the urgency of the situation in Eritrea, and seeing no other solution, they are betting on the only solution they can imagine. These Eritreans are not less Eritrean than others; and they love their country as any good-wishing Eritrean.

            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kubur Saay,

            Let me tell you straight forward. I am not Ghandi, I wish I had the ability to galvanize the Eritrean people against the war at that time, using the US/Ruwanda proposal. What ever your theory of the war is, I was against the war effort whether it was started by Eritrea or escalated by Ethiopia. I supported every effort, every agreement attempted by the international community to stop this bloody war. Again the war didn’t start in 1999, even your time line of the events clearly shows in May 12, 1998. We are not at comparing the carnage of the war at different time line. War is war no matter how long and how many lives it took. Both governments were in to a war mentality. Now Kubur haw Saleh, the bye gone is bye gone, we can not change that history. Can we change our attitude towards Ethiopia for the sake of peace and stability. Focus on the evil man at the center of our nation. At least we have a common enemy “Issayas and his PFDJ” for us in the opposition camp. We are equally putting the interest of our people and our nation at heart in our fighting. The perception of conspiracy we might have on countries be it Ethiopia or US or any other international organization should not hinder us to fight against our common enemy. At this juncture Ethiopian is not our enemy. The Regime we have is the true enemy of the Eritrean people. And you can’t miss this fact. Abu Saleh, can we make peace and work against the evil man and channel all our efforts to extricate our people from his grip.

            regards,

          • saay7

            Kbur Tegadalai Emma:

            With respect, sir, I all all for talking about the present and the future so long as you and your “troops” (wink wink) don’t find it convenient to try to blackmail me with 98-00. Because when you do, I will ask about your role during that period and to my knowledge there wasn’t a single “Isaias started it!” shouter who ever explicitly called on Ethiopia to accept the peace treaties it was offered and rejected.

            This takes us to the present. When you say “can we change our attitude towards Ethiopia for the sake of peace” I wish you would be specific and say towards “EPRDF governed Ethiopia.” So what “attitude” adjustment is it u are requesting? Just yesterday there was an article (link available upon request) that Ethiopia’s military is a potent force, feared in Africa, with multiple peacekeeping missions in Africa and part of the reason it’s feared is because it uses rape and murder as a means to control civilians. Should I adjust my attitude to that?

            Just last Friday there was an article in the Washington Post about how Ethiopia is illegally hacking US based Opposition media ESAT. Should my attitude adjustment for the sake of peace include embracing that?

            Just yesterday there was an article on NPR on how “Semayawi” party of Ethiopia is trying to make dissent acceptable to Ethiopians but it has been accused of being part of the “color revolution” and is a terrorist organization. Should I adjust my attitude towards that for the sake of peace and development?

            Look I am a very pragmatic person: I have called on the armed Ethiopian opposition to lay down their arms and play by the rules of the ethiopian constitution. I wish we Eritreans had been given the opportunity to play by the rules of the 1997 constitution: the government denied us that chance and the opposition denied us that chance too.

            I am so pragmatic I realize the world is full of tyrants and despots that I would go along with partnering with ethiopia but only once I can stand on my feet– because with functioning feet I can walk away. I find it very unseemly when those who call themselves “justice seekers” spend so much time praising the Ethiopian government.

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Oh Sal brother,
            …the tales we tell ourselves….!
            Your timeline completely buries and (buries it fast) the essential elements what really happened. Obviously, we all know what really happened in the ground that precipitate to signing this or rejecting that….For example, we, rejected the peace offer until February 1999. When Badme was retaken by Ethiopia, we obliged….I perfectly remember what happened between Feb- Aug. 1999. Don’t you remember, ‘badme and its environs’ meant only to ‘mearabwi qola’ while the Woyane arguing it also means all disputed places? We dragged our feet again, buoyed by egri-mekel victory. And Badme was termed as a fluke in the series of military victories by Eritrea. Arguably the single most least heralded but crucial event was that of June 1999, (what is called /seat/elet 10) where Eritrean military offensive didn’t go well in Mereb Setit. Just as the talks in Ogadugu were going on….Ethiopia knew once and for all it has the military upper hand. So, they also dragged their feet….
            1998-2000 was essentially military engagement and your timeline should reflect that. Those who criticize Eritrea meant it in the initial and essential stages. Once the war machine rolled in, once Ethiopia invested hugely to the efforts of the war, of course they raised up the ante….it was a war and they were not Yemenis in Hanish…..and all we are saying is we, Eritreans, mostly heavily paid for it….and are still paying…it is our suffering and costs until this day that defined us.
            The point is we should have known better.
            Ghezae Hagos

          • saay7

            MerHaba Ghezae:

            The timeline I created was not intended to chronicle the conflict: there are several very good websites that do that from Eritrean perspective (Dehai) and Ethiopian perspective (Dagmawi.) It was intended to show how each party reacted to each peace offer. I am looking at the Eritrea-Ethiopia dispute from the standpoint of the peace mediators, not from the standpoint of Eritrea or Ethiopia. In that regard, the two countries either (a) accepted or (b) sought clarifications or (c) rejected peace offers. So:

            1. Sorry, you are wrong when you say “we rejected the peace offer until February 1999.” We sought clarifications. The difference is significant, as you will see later. When Ethiopia took Badme forcefully we accepted (because the whole negotiation/clarification was to avoid unilateral withdrawal) and since that was accomplished militarily it would be pointless not to accept.

            2. Your “I perfectly remember what happened between Feb-August 1999” is irrelevant from the standpoint of the peace mediators. What the record shows (and you can check for yourself) is that both parties were given the OAU Modalities on June 14 (both signaled their acceptance; Eritrea indicated its willingness to memorialize this with signatures; Ethiopia said no pending Technical Arrangment.) And on August 7, both parties were presented with the Technical Arrangement which, at its Ethiopia’s insistence, was “non amendable.” Eritrea accepted; Ethiopia sought clarifications. And finally, on December 6, 1999, it rejected it officially.

            You are free to justify Ethiopia’s actions and to criminalize of Eritrea’s actions. But that is not what the record shows. Both countries paid heavily for the war (thus the description of it as “senseless.”) Eritrea won in court of law, it didn’t get its award, and our head of state went on a self-destructive path that has taken the country to the edge.

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Ata Saleh hawey,

            “Fate can be merciless with the slightest distractions….”

            The hindsight could be 20/20; still…

            It is very safe to say it was the war that ‘ war that put Eritrea in a precarious state’ for many reasons.

            1. The two most significant reasons for open letters of that time (G-13 and G-15) was mishandling of the war and lack of political reform within PFDJ. And also the start of ‘tiwgahmo’) in summer 2000:) More importantly, the G-15 saga was impossible to unfold had we not lost the war.

            2. The terrible loss of lives and destruction in Eritrea that left wounds unhealed yet.

            3. The closure of the Ethio-Eritrea border and the start of no-war no-peace that decimated Eritrea’s economy.

            4. The constitution was shelved and 17 years later it was discarded.
            5. And of course, Sinai and Lampedusa.

            I have stacks of former papers from private presses from the era. I always feel ashamed and embarrassed to read what I and others (primarily myself) wrote at that time. Though clueless, we were humming to the drums of war. It was collective insanity and I don’t know what we were thinking…

            The historical lesson is: it was very, very, wrong war for Eritrea (SGJ once called it ‘unwinnable war’ accusing the late Tekie Fessehatsion of supporting it) and it shouldn’t have started AT ALL and once started, we should have immediately taken every steps to end it as soon as possible when we had a chance and before the Ethiopian government felt emboldened enough to fight more. And in the sequence you outlined, we had ample time to do it. Beraki Gebreselleasie was credited with that foresight…

            Borges said, “fate can be merciless with the slightest distractions.”

            It was a border crisis in legality, and we should have played our cards to that end…..m’n yidereg,…

            Ghezae Hagos

          • saay7

            Ghezae Arkey:

            Obviously, you are from the “every snowflake becomes a blizzard” school of thought. You are committing what the logicians call (and you know this better than me, as a lawyer) Post hoc ergo propter hoc (“after this, therefore because of this.”) Every terrible thing that happened to Eritreans and Ethiopians between 1998-2000 (post hoc) happened after Isaias Afwerki, without consulting anyone, took his tank and occupied Badme (propter hoc). Ergo it is all his fault, all our fault.

            You are free to flagellate yourself, but not many Eritreans who were following the developments in Eritrea very closely (read the EECC report) will say, “it was all our fault.”

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ghezae,

            They will never accept it. They have their own truth, while the truth will remain only and only one. At this juncture, we are in dead lock, and we can’t resolve it in this forum. The Eritrean politics will never develop and mature. So there are many thing that are prerequisites to engagement with our counterpart – the Ethiopians. And that is breaking the myth. There are no permanent enemy in politics, Nations have only permanent interest. In the psychic of the Eritrean mind, Ethiopia is a sworn enemy. So the first thing we have to do is, to decolonize the Eritrean mind from the perception that sustain the physical and psychological presence of permanent enemy in our mind. Enemies change with time, circumstances, and conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is resolved by diplomacy. As soon as the conflict of interest is resolved, the countries are turned to be friends. Let me give you an example what Meles and his colleagues have changed in the psychic of Ethiopian mind, and that is the mentality of “Ethiopia can not stand on its foot without Eritrea”. They proved on the ground, that Ethiopia has many alternatives to make sustained economic development. Ethiopia doesn’t depend solely on the Eritrean ports. So we have to engage with the public to prove, that Ethiopian is not a permanent enemy, as far as they ruling party have changed the psychic of Ethiopian mind, that has been putting us in to perpetual war footing for the sake of an access to our ports. The ports are none issue (at least they are not causes for confrontation) at this time, because they have proved they can survive without our ports. What do you think?

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

    • Mizan

      Emma, a few things that I personally can say with great certainty are that:

      1. IA created the war
      2. IA never anticipated Ethiopia would react in such a manner
      3. Ethiopia was not preparing for an actual war but perhaps for a war of politics as in using tactics to throw curve balls at IA to eventually topple him
      4. However, once Ethiopia was presented with a silver platter to teach IA a lesson, they used that opportunity and escalated the war to such a great level

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hey Mizan,

        I agree on #s 1,2,3, but I am not sure on # 4. Since you are certain, can you enlightened me on # 4.

        • Mizan

          Taking the war to uncontested areas, deporting people from Ethiopia, bombing of Asmara…

          At the very least, Ethiopia was very retaliatory.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Yes Indeed they were. I agree.

          • T. Kifle

            Mizan,

            Ethiopian military response was not strictly retaliatory. It was a measured one. If you want to check that it wasn’t, grant IA the air superiority Ethiopia had at the time. Then only you would see the whole picture for yourself.

        • Mizan

          Indeed Emma. And who is to blame for where we are? You guessed it – none other than IA and PFDJ. I always get bemused by the crowd who blames on TPLF and the USA. You get yourself in an illegal fight in the first place and you blame the other guy for not following the rules of fighting and for using mercenaries. That is what PFDJ and IA did. I put everything on their shoulders for not avoiding the war in the first place and for miscalculating afterwards. I always held, however, that if Ethiopia had showed enough restraint, then PFDJ would have been gone by now. Because the miscalculation by Ethiopia was 1) that the Eritrean people will welcome them in 2) that they didn’t realize how going to uncontested areas would back fire. IA used this for his benefit greatly because he proved to Eritreans that ‘look TPLF is coming to take away your independence why would otherwise say the war is about Badme hence they wage war in the entire border line.’ That gave him much needed credibility and life and support. To this day for that matter. But how sick I am going back again and again on this issue, That is simply because we have so many intellectual Eritreans refusing to accept the truth and move on.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mizan,

            There were clear exit strategy – the US/Ruwanda proposal. And surely could help them to follow the diplomatic rule to fight and restore your own land. You know and I know border issues like ours takes long engagement. There is no short cut for its resolution. Even USA and Canada have still unresolved border issues, but they don’t escalated into confrontational blood war. There are many many examples and yet we can’t learn from them. I am writing a short article as to how our Eritrean-politics stuck for years without any progress. We shall see.

          • Ted

            Mizan, “But how sick I am going back again and again on this issue , ” ??? please don’t stop asking yourself that question.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mizan,

            You are damn good. You got every point in your comment right. The Ethiopia’s move beyond the contested areas clearly harmed to our (forces of change) struggle against the despot. No question about that. But the issue now is what should be the strategy of our struggle at this point? Certainly the border issue can not be part and parcel of our strategy. Because the opposition are not the legal entity to sit with Ethiopia or international institutions to resolve it. But the ruling regime is. Unless the disrupting forces want it as tactic to hold the “no peace no war” strategy to sustain the continuity of the regime, they know that we don’t have any kind of legitimacy to deal with it. Any personal position you take doesn’t contribute to the resolution of the border. Given our position understood standing for our nation’s interest, what should be the approach to resolve it ? Besides that, they know the despot is already satisfied with the “virtual demarcation”, and he said the border issue is none issue, and hence we don’t need the UN peace force. We know the UN force is part of the enforcing mechanism. So instead of influencing him, if they have any clout for that matter, to sit with the Ethiopian and the enforcers to finalize the demarcation, they are out crying against some of us as if we have leverage to solve it in undiplomatic way, what I use to call it the juvenile Eritrean politics. Please keep the equilibrium of our diverse interest. The pull of ultra-nationalist on one side and sub-national sentiment on the other is not easy to keep them at check. Tell them they are pulling the balance to tend one side. In short “halwo neti mizan” by all means. I am enjoying the role you are playing.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

      • Nitricc

        WOW, Ermias that was a breakthrough. I tell you what, you are the great one. lol

        • Mizan

          Stop being childish. Were you born yesterday? I will challenge you the same way I challenged selam.

          Nitricc, as sharp as you are, you can do better. Please read the article critically and evaluate it honestly. Cheer leaders is not what is needed now in Eritrea. What we need is better alternatives from the likes of you, SAAY, Gheteb wezeterefe to the ones who propose change from any angle, like if you can garner help from Ethiopia, let’s take it – the sooner we rid of IA and PFDJ by any means, the quicker we can start fixing our problems and stopping the mass exodus.

    • tes

      Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

      I am really disappointed when I read, “I was expecting you to come up and tell us regarding your position of the “1998-2000″ war”. I think you are the one who constantly pushed the talk on current situations. And you were constantly reminding us to leave history for historians. And regarding who is who in the past, history has no mercy.

      But, you could have critized him if he has the ideology that you two differ if you see it here. I said this because ideology/idea can leave for ever and can play a significant role if maintained.

      tes

  • Kokhob Selam

    Saay 7, this was the type of article I was used to read from you. it is higher than reform going up to real change but still on the way top. in the other side you have also shown us the limitations of diaspora opposition and what they should do.

    I still believe using Ethiopia as back ground and base is not bad while making good connection with internal revolutionary part. and I feel you are exaggerating the size of resistance from PFDJ by remembering other countries around us like Libya. PFDJ is not capable of facing the mass as it is in lowest stage I think. I feel also you are very much careful of civil war which again I don’t see it. the present of those ELL, EFF what ever call themselves will not be able to jump over the lines as most of them are looking for their dignity and the transitional era will do it’s magic.

    while there are a lot of points important here but you may have to say once again “I was wrong” and come with new one. I never become tired reading such wonderful writers article. thank you.

  • farnelo

    Brilliant piece! For those who comes to awate.com to read comments, this is a must read (my unsolicited advice).
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